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| 00:02.01 | exn | anybody knows opensource analog of 6wind ? |
| 00:02.19 | exn | or maybe started project with ideas about it... |
| 00:02.25 | abrotman | exn: which does .. what ? |
| 00:02.51 | exn | http://www.6wind.com/ |
| 00:03.09 | abrotman | can't you just tell me ? |
| 00:03.12 | abrotman | or us |
| 00:03.22 | exn | tell what ? |
| 00:03.26 | abrotman | what it does |
| 00:03.32 | exn | it's netgraph port |
| 00:03.50 | abrotman | can see this going down a path of "what is netgraph" :) |
| 00:04.21 | ranix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:05.17 | exn | kfreebsd users is here ? |
| 00:05.38 | abrotman | so you want a library that does multicore networking ? |
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| 00:07.24 | exn | irc died :/ |
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| 00:07.48 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:07.52 | ZombB | I have a question about running googleearth on debian amd64: I get the error "error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0" although the library is installed! |
| 00:08.13 | abrotman | isn't it 32bit only ? |
| 00:09.32 | ZombB | abrotman, Yes, it is, but it worked with ia32-libs. Now due to a switch to ia32-apt-get it doesnt work any more and I do not know how to handle it |
| 00:11.02 | ZombB | abrotman, What is the best way to make it work: using ia32-apt-get (I do not know how it works actually and there seems to be no manpage) or running it in a 32bit chroot environment (which I have)? |
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| 00:13.48 | Wyzard | ZombB: If you install the i386 version of googleearth-package using ia32-apt-get, use it to build an i386 googleearth .deb, and install that with ia32-dpkg, that would probably work |
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| 00:13.55 | Wyzard | ZombB: I don't know whether there's a better way than that currently |
| 00:15.49 | ZombB | Wyzard, o.k. but I do not know how to use ia32-apt-get or ia32-dpkg, is there a tutorial? |
| 00:16.38 | ZombB | Wyzard, I can not find a manpage for ia32-apt-get! |
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| 00:17.49 | Wyzard | ZombB: There should be a manpage for it if you have it installed, but I don't know; I don't have it installed |
| 00:18.31 | Wyzard | ZombB: Also take a look in /usr/share/doc/ia32-apt-get |
| 00:19.35 | ZombB | Wyzard, aha, thanx! |
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| 00:24.20 | teddy_ | from grub to login: debian5 is like under 10 seconds..thats crazy.... |
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| 00:27.37 | abrotman | this is bad ? |
| 00:28.18 | ranix | teddy_: your computer is just fast |
| 00:28.34 | ranix | teddy_: or maybe you have a decent hard drive |
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| 00:30.44 | jony123_ | Anyone heard if dialuo modems stuffing up other stuff eg audio and screen display |
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| 01:04.36 | sanmarcos | does the ntp package make an network server on my box? |
| 01:05.08 | abrotman | see if it's listening |
| 01:05.14 | sanmarcos | how? |
| 01:05.23 | abrotman | netstat |
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| 01:06.52 | sanmarcos | abrotman: ? |
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| 01:07.57 | rtmex | hello all |
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| 01:09.15 | rtmex | I'm installing debian woody from floppies on a 386sx 16mb RAM, I got stucked at the point where the installer needs to get the base system packages |
| 01:09.49 | rtmex | I checked and it seems to be a kernel bug problem, I only can ping to the localhost |
| 01:10.09 | rtmex | not even other pc on the lan or to the gateway |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | doesn't it require a math co-processor ? |
| 01:10.15 | comradekingu | pozic: are you using the dbz-ebabled flag? |
| 01:11.03 | rtmex | abrotman: The documentation does not say it requieres it, and the installation is working fine until this point |
| 01:12.09 | rtmex | I tryied to install with the bf24 option at the boot prompt, but it seems that that option only comes if you are installing form Cd and not form floppies |
| 01:12.24 | rita | hi folks. Im having a hard time getting commercial dvds on an acer laptop. I installed libdvdcss2 and the win32 codecs and every other thing about 10 already. |
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| 01:13.35 | rita | I think it has something to do with region encoding. I think I need to set the region for my dvd, but regionset outputs and ERROR!!! |
| 01:13.50 | rtmex | anyone know if the sarge installer will run with this amount of ram if I activate the swap partition? |
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| 01:14.29 | abrotman | rtmex: yes, i think it will |
| 01:14.44 | abrotman | rtmex: it probably cna't find the base stuff because it's on the the archive server now |
| 01:15.47 | rtmex | Well the Sarge documentation says the installer requires 24mb ram, that's why I ask if the swap trick would work? |
| 01:17.01 | abrotman | actually .. i think maybe sarge doesn't support an actual 386 |
| 01:17.25 | abrotman | i know etch doesn't |
| 01:18.31 | jelly-home | 2.4.27 perhaps does |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | it was a gcc thing, not a kernel thing |
| 01:19.23 | jelly-home | but "I only can ping to the localhost" sounds like it's just that the network card driver isn't there. Think ISA, ioports, interrupts and stuff |
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| 01:20.20 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's also a kernel build option upon which a choice of gcc params was made, isn't it |
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| 01:20.24 | rtmex | jelly-home: I loaded the correct nic driver and configured with his right io and irq params |
| 01:20.56 | rtmex | the network is working fine, since I can ping localhost and ifconfig shows it :) |
| 01:21.15 | jelly-home | rtmex: localhost is completely in-kernel |
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| 01:22.01 | rtmex | and if can do an ifconfig eth0 and I get the results with the ip I configured. is that on kernel too? :) |
| 01:22.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: IIRC it was an issue with gcc+security and trying to create binaries for the 80386 |
| 01:22.16 | jelly-home | rtmex: doesn't have anything to do with the network. Even if you ping your own ip on a real ethX device, it's still all in the kernel and nothing goes on the wire |
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| 01:22.41 | Ezep | Hello, I have this issue connecting to my router, I'm using ndiswrapper for my pcmcia wireless card http://pastebin.ca/1514404 |
| 01:23.00 | Ezep | Sorry, I'm using debian squeeze, same issue with lenny |
| 01:23.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: could be, I must have missed that. |
| 01:23.27 | rtmex | jelly-home: are you saying you can acctually get up an eth0 interface with ifconfig without having a network card? |
| 01:24.02 | jelly-home | rtmex: I'm saying it might be unplugged or buggy, and still pingable from the host itself |
| 01:24.47 | rtmex | jelly-home: Well, that's not case :), by the info i have found, it's a kernel problem on version 2.2 |
| 01:25.11 | rtmex | that's the rdefault kernel version woody has |
| 01:25.19 | jelly-home | has forgot everything about 2.2 |
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| 01:25.31 | rtmex | you coan install a 2.4 kernel using the bf24 optio at boot prompt |
| 01:26.21 | rtmex | but as I said, it seems that option only works with the CD installer,not the floppies :) |
| 01:26.33 | abrotman | jelly-home: http://osdir.com/ml/linux.debian.devel.kernel/2004-10/msg00087.html ... quick search .. i'm sure if you looked you could find more |
| 01:26.34 | Texou | hi |
| 01:26.47 | jelly-home | rtmex: wasn't there a different set of bf2.4 floppies |
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| 01:27.07 | Texou | does someone use weechat with Debian? do you know if there's a wan to have weechat-gtk command or weechat-qt or widgets? |
| 01:27.16 | rtmex | jelly-home: mmhh, I don't know, I will check, thanks for the tip :) |
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| 01:27.54 | jelly-home | abrotman: oh. I didn't use distro kernel at that time, except for installing |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: you probably also didn't hvae a 386 that you cared about :) |
| 01:28.27 | jelly-home | Debian was really slow with releasing patched kernels |
| 01:29.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: in 2004, definitely |
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| 01:30.18 | NexusDefault | how can i clear all pervious apt-get failures? |
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| 01:31.06 | Ezep | NexusDefault: maybe apt-get -f install |
| 01:31.10 | jelly-home | NexusDefault: apt-get -f install will try to configure all the leftover unfinished installations |
| 01:31.10 | enouf | rtmex: just an aside, iirc, almsot all before etch take a lowmem boot param |
| 01:31.40 | NexusDefault | but mysql is being a bitch i wanna just remove it |
| 01:31.46 | enouf | rtmex: i think ~etch it was made as autoscanning, so would use that mode if detected too little ram |
| 01:32.06 | Ezep | NexusDefault: then, remove it :) |
| 01:32.55 | NexusDefault | i just did apt-get install tcl and it still saying its not installed any ideas? |
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| 01:33.37 | rtmex | enouf: I know, but I don't think with 16Mb, I installed Wtch once on a Laptop with 64MB and it got automatically in the lowmem mode |
| 01:34.15 | rtmex | but 16Mb? Even Sarge installer makes the PC reboots before the Menu appears :( |
| 01:34.16 | Ezep | rtmex: try debootstrap, using another computer, or it's a laptop? |
| 01:34.30 | NexusDefault | nvm answered myself ;) |
| 01:34.33 | rtmex | Ezep: No, it's not a laptop, |
| 01:34.50 | Ezep | rtmex: doing a debootstrap would be a good try |
| 01:35.05 | rtmex | jelly-home: You were right, there's a bf24 images disk set |
| 01:35.22 | rtmex | I'm downloading them and I'll try |
| 01:35.22 | jelly-home | rtmex: sarge was rather slow even on a 486 and 64MB. |
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| 01:36.03 | rtmex | jelly-home: Yes, that's why I think woody will work, of course I'm not planning to use X |
| 01:36.23 | jelly-home | X... bwahaha |
| 01:36.32 | enouf | yeah, and sarge offered both a 2.4.27 and a 2.6.8 (on cd anyways) |
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| 01:36.58 | jelly-home | rtmex: dpkg _will_ swap. Expect a many hour long installation |
| 01:37.07 | enouf | heh |
| 01:37.31 | jelly-home | rtmex: or pull the disk and put it into a machine with more RAM, and install there |
| 01:38.06 | enouf | indeed, or install emdebian, or an older slack, or even an old knoppix - heh |
| 01:38.20 | Ezep | Hello, I have this issue connecting to my router, I'm using ndiswrapper for my pcmcia wireless card http://pastebin.ca/1514404 ,this is on squeeze. |
| 01:38.34 | enouf | i man, how far are you planning to upgrade to? etch? lenny? ;-P |
| 01:38.43 | enouf | s/man/mean/ |
| 01:39.46 | enouf | hi Ezep - i know nothing about ndiswrapper, except the NDIS aspect :-) but i'll look anyways :-p |
| 01:39.53 | Texou | oh stupid question in fact :) |
| 01:40.17 | Ezep | Thanks enouf :) |
| 01:40.23 | Texou | I had the answer (and I've had it for a long time but forgotten) |
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| 01:41.06 | rtmex | jelly-home: I was thinking on doing that, but I want to make another few attempts before that :) |
| 01:41.17 | rita | or maybe it has nothing to do with region encoding. it plays all kinds of dvds, but not commercial ones |
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| 01:41.24 | rita | any ideas? |
| 01:41.32 | jelly-home | rtmex: it's your wasted time! |
| 01:41.52 | enouf | Ezep: heh, nada .. sorry |
| 01:42.02 | Ezep | It's ok :( |
| 01:42.14 | enouf | Ezep: googled the error? strace the command too |
| 01:42.19 | Wyzard | rita: Do you have libdvdcss2 installed? |
| 01:42.22 | Texou | rita: what's the question? |
| 01:42.22 | enouf | Ezep: try #ndiswrapper? |
| 01:42.52 | enouf | rita: do you have a ~/.dvdcss dir or file? |
| 01:43.20 | enouf | yeah, dir .. with all the dvds you ever played listed ;-) |
| 01:43.39 | enouf | (well ,the ones that required libdvdcss) |
| 01:43.57 | enouf | rita: installed libdvdread and libdvdcss2 ? |
| 01:44.27 | enouf | oh yeah, you did already |
| 01:44.32 | enouf | hrm |
| 01:44.55 | enouf | ffmpeg? .. or libdvdnav? |
| 01:45.27 | nsadmin | who wants dvds full of commercials anyway? :) |
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| 01:47.31 | rita | I don' t have ~/.dvdcss but I do have libdvdcss2 and libdvdread and libdvdnav and ffmpeg |
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| 01:47.54 | enouf | i wonder if she's playing only AVI files on the ones that work? and real DVD-ROMs are mpeg2 -- hence; ffmpeg? |
| 01:48.05 | enouf | oh |
| 01:48.10 | enouf | oh well |
| 01:48.30 | enouf | i could post the list of packages from marrilat i have installed :-P |
| 01:48.43 | dominicu1 | So, I have a second Debian machine, I'm using MythTV for media viewing, and I have some of the media files on this machine, and some on another machine. What connection/protocol/method would be the best to mount up the other debian box's filesystem so that I can get access to the media files? Preferably a method that is really resilient to network hiccups (for when I'm running over wireless). |
| 01:49.45 | enouf | rita: take a peak at any info from the commercial ones. install dvd+rw-tools and run "dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hdX" .. there's two others, one is for booktype and the other for formatting RW |
| 01:50.15 | nsadmin | dominicu1: as you know the net is generally unreliable... so protocols are built on top of the unreliable packet stuff, for the purpose of adding reliability |
| 01:50.25 | nsadmin | tcp is one such protoco. |
| 01:50.28 | nsadmin | l |
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| 01:50.57 | enouf | rita: you don't think there's region encoding issue? Like Vista controlling some ASPI layer shit? hehe - what are the DVDs the DO play properly? Homemade? AVI files on them? |
| 01:51.03 | fignew | dominicu1: NFS |
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| 01:51.21 | abrotman | he said easy ... |
| 01:51.27 | enouf | rita: oh, which Player are you using? mplayer, xine, totem, vlc ? |
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| 01:51.58 | dominicu1 | nsadmin: Does any issue still exist these days of connections that just get served completely for up to 30 seconds or more, that would still survive that kind of interruption, or does tcp take care of that? |
| 01:52.13 | rita | tested with vlc, mplayer, totem, kaffeine |
| 01:52.21 | nsadmin | tcp has timeouts |
| 01:52.24 | fignew | dominicu1: NFS |
| 01:52.32 | dominicu1 | nsadmin: *severed (as in cut |
| 01:52.32 | abrotman | he said easy ... |
| 01:52.38 | nsadmin | so maybe it wouldn't survive if interrupted long enough |
| 01:52.42 | enouf | rita: suggest #mplayer, or #vlc, or #ffmpeg if any are apropos |
| 01:52.43 | fignew | abrotman: are you talking to me? |
| 01:52.50 | enouf | uff |
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| 01:53.19 | enouf | rita: stick with mplayer - post exact error messages with full command to pastebin |
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| 01:53.42 | enouf | rita: and please do tell us about the ONES THAT DO WORK ;-) |
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| 01:53.54 | nsadmin | but tcp is a "connection-based" protocol which is built on top of a protocol that both has no "connection" and is unreliable |
| 01:54.16 | fignew | *sigh* |
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| 01:55.08 | DynamicPink | When is it time to upgrade to a machine with a more powerful cpu? |
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| 01:55.51 | dominicu1 | nsadmin: Yeah, I just want to make sure that 30-90 seconds could potentially be endured, and possibly have the thing automaticially reconnect on its own. fignew has been mentioning NFS. I've heard of it, I just wasn't sure if there was something better than that or whatnot. I guess, i'll give NFS a shot, and if it fails miserably, I'll just come back here for more insight. |
| 01:55.58 | DynamicPink | I have noticed that swfdec videos stutter the sound a lot more lately. |
| 01:56.17 | fignew | dominicu1: NFS can handle any outages |
| 01:56.20 | enouf | dominicu1: i don't know, but i have ssh with X11Forwarding working - so i might try that :-P (silly though, but still, i already notice loops and hiccups and stuffs) |
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| 01:56.32 | nsadmin | you might need faster networking... how fast is what you have? |
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| 01:57.14 | \3TATUK | not fast enough ;) |
| 01:57.15 | Ezep | enouf: lemme see |
| 01:57.16 | fignew | dominicu1: It'll stop playing (obviously) and the computer might "freeze" while it waits for the IO... but it'll resume when the connection is back |
| 01:57.18 | enouf | DynamicPink: are you watching top/htop when that occurs? CPU usage as sort |
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| 01:57.44 | rita | ok... I have an official copy of the documentary outfoxed, which is commercial but I don' t know if is encoded with css, but def not an avi file. It is encoded with region 0 Region free and it works. here is the pastebin http://pastebin.org/5667 |
| 01:57.51 | DynamicPink | enouf, I haven't tried that, but it is a good suggestion. |
| 01:57.54 | DynamicPink | thanks |
| 01:57.57 | enouf | dominicu1: mplayer (and i'msure others) have a -cache setting, ... |
| 01:58.09 | dominicu1 | fignew: That's awesome. That's totally what I would like. Now, if I were away from the house, how possible is it to push NFS over an SSH connection. |
| 01:58.43 | \3TATUK | Anyone know a command-line way to interface a proxy between a gui app (say, something run via WINE)? |
| 01:58.57 | dominicu1 | enouf: Oh, I was thinking more than just video, just general networking type stuff. I want something that would pretty much take care of itself. It sounds like NFS would do that. |
| 01:59.10 | enouf | dominicu1: man vmstat as well ;-) run 'watch free' ;-) see if swap is being used, .. you might just need more RAM :-) |
| 01:59.29 | enouf | dominicu1: if you |
| 01:59.29 | JaVak | http://blog.onlinecheapharmacy.com/ ----> http://www.onlinecheapharmacy.com/ |
| 01:59.43 | Ezep | Spam? |
| 01:59.44 | Ezep | :) |
| 01:59.48 | fignew | dominicu1: you can configure NFS' timeouts also, sync or async |
| 01:59.58 | enouf | dominicu1: if you're going to do that - might look at sshfs, as a userspace configurable tool .. but heh, i've not tried it |
| 02:00.26 | fignew | dominicu1: I'm with enouf, NFS over a ssh tunnel would be meh |
| 02:00.30 | enouf | (or even some other fuse-based fs) |
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| 02:01.59 | dominicu1 | fignew: Because, right now, I already SSH, SFTP, and SSHFS from my laptop to my server at home. I was just wondering if there was something better than SSHFS to use. Not that I've had any complaints with it at all. It's nice for connection to my University's servers as well. |
| 02:02.01 | fignew | yea, JaVak is a spammer... just spammed #archlinux |
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| 02:02.23 | fignew | stick with sshfs |
| 02:02.50 | dominicu1 | fignew and enouf: Thanks for the info. I'm glad I wasn't too far off the beaten path. |
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| 02:03.41 | rita | this is The God Father, official copy. No stream found to handle dvd. http://pastebin.org/5669 |
| 02:04.05 | \3TATUK | need proper codec |
| 02:04.10 | \3TATUK | see debian-multimedia.org |
| 02:04.51 | \3TATUK | probably want `sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad` |
| 02:05.22 | enouf | rita: listen, try "mplayer -vo xv dvd:///" |
| 02:06.05 | craigevil | rita: did you install libdvdcss2 and libdvdread4 |
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| 02:07.17 | enouf | rita: apt-get update ; apt-cache search libxvidcore4 (or another version) |
| 02:07.41 | enouf | just drop the '4' from the search word |
| 02:07.48 | Ezep | enouf: I will try changing in the router wep encryptation with wpa, maybe with wpasuplicant I might have best results :s |
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| 02:08.17 | grandpapadot | Hey guys, how do I give a standard user permission to reboot his workstation in lenny? |
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| 02:08.39 | \3TATUK | change permission of the binary |
| 02:08.46 | \3TATUK | or look at /etc/sudoers |
| 02:08.47 | enouf | rita: seems your mpeg is using a passthrough because no proper codec |
| 02:08.50 | enouf | The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec. |
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| 02:09.17 | enouf | Ezep: /msg dpkg wpasupplicant ;-) |
| 02:09.17 | craigevil | grandpapadot: add the user to the powerdev group |
| 02:09.30 | Ezep | enouf: sure x) |
| 02:09.39 | enouf | craigevil: yes, .. er, not sure about the last one the read4 though |
| 02:09.41 | ajavid | cross eyed smiley |
| 02:09.45 | ajavid | word |
| 02:10.02 | enouf | Ezep: there's /msg dpkg wifi howto (as well) |
| 02:10.26 | Ezep | enouf: hehe, I think google is very good too :) |
| 02:10.29 | grandpapadot | chmod +s /sbin/halt |
| 02:10.42 | enouf | er.. |
| 02:10.46 | craigevil | libdvdread4 - library for reading DVDs, libdvdread currently uses libdl to dynamically probe for libdvdcss at runtime. |
| 02:10.48 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.12 | enouf | craigevil: seen the pastebin? i see no proper video codec loading, do you? |
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| 02:11.30 | craigevil | no he probably also needs at least ffmpeg |
| 02:11.44 | enouf | craigevil: that too - is installed |
| 02:12.41 | rita | I'm trying to add the debian-multimedia repository but there is some problem with the public key |
| 02:12.42 | enouf | hrm ls -l /usr/lib/libmpeg2convert.so.0 |
| 02:12.48 | craigevil | perhaps its as simple as mplayer is looking at the wrong place for his dvd drive? mine is /dev/sr0 |
| 02:12.58 | enouf | rita: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 02:13.23 | enouf | craigevil: it _found_ a DVD with VOB and such ;-) |
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| 02:13.37 | enouf | craigevil: but yes, could be WRONG drive if more than one |
| 02:14.06 | enouf | craigevil: rita hence " ... dvd-device /dev/hdX .." or so |
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| 02:14.15 | craigevil | ok i must have missed a paste only one i saw was http://pastebin.org/5669 |
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| 02:15.12 | enouf | rita: you can cp /etc/mplayer/config* file (one of them) into your ~/.mplayer/config and use that as a template that you tweak |
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| 02:16.17 | enouf | er /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf |
| 02:17.27 | enouf | rita: at worst, binflash your firmware - or chuck the junk :-P |
| 02:17.31 | enouf | hides |
| 02:20.21 | rita | its a laptop with a single drive, I cant find libdvdread4 but I have 3. I just installed libxvidcor4 and didnt seem to have an effect |
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| 02:25.26 | enouf | rita: you did mplayer -vo xv dvd:// ? |
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| 02:26.11 | enouf | craigevil: http://pastebin.org/pastebin.php?dl=5667 ? |
| 02:26.18 | enouf | is what i see :-P |
| 02:26.53 | rita | enouf: yes, here it is http://pastebin.org/5671 |
| 02:28.15 | enouf | rita: ls -l /dev/{cdr,dvd}* |
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| 02:28.58 | enouf | rita: er "Creating config file: /root/.mplayer/config" <--stop that |
| 02:29.13 | rita | /dev/cdrom -> hdc |
| 02:29.59 | rita | what? |
| 02:30.04 | enouf | rita: and groups (minus yuor username) shows atleast these; "... cdrom floppy audio video plugdev ..." |
| 02:30.14 | enouf | rita: dmesg | grep ATAPI |
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| 02:30.35 | enouf | rita: grep ATAPI /var/log/dmesg |
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| 02:30.57 | rita | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.00 | enouf | make sure your working ones still play - so we can get off this WRONG DEVICE shit |
| 02:31.07 | enouf | bravo |
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| 02:32.11 | rita | grep output http://pastebin.org/5672 |
| 02:32.47 | enouf | rita: i guess some use dvd:/, some use dvd:// (like mine), and yours uses dvd:/// ..heh |
| 02:33.15 | Ezep | enouf: hurra, the f*ing card is running, thanks a lot :) |
| 02:33.19 | enouf | oh boy |
| 02:33.26 | enouf | Ezep: you did it! |
| 02:33.31 | enouf | !congratulate Ezep |
| 02:33.32 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies Ezep, you did it! |
| 02:33.42 | Ezep | hahaha, thanks :-P |
| 02:33.48 | enouf | Ezep: what helped most? wiki? |
| 02:34.04 | Ezep | No, wiki.debian.org :) |
| 02:34.09 | Ezep | Yes* |
| 02:34.32 | Ezep | Well, I will try it, because now I'm wired, brb |
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| 02:35.08 | enouf | cool |
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| 02:36.13 | Ezep | Good 8) |
| 02:36.34 | enouf | /usr/share/doc/hal/examples/no-cd-media-check.fdi: <match key="info.product" string="HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4080N"> |
| 02:36.37 | rita | enouf: well, here it is irrelevant, either works on the ok dvds, none works on the bad ones |
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| 02:37.08 | enouf | [ 4.004203] hdc: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-T20N, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive <-- worong model :-P |
| 02:37.22 | enouf | rita: aye |
| 02:38.09 | enouf | rita: but, something is funky ... you're not using -vo xv .. hrm .. i wonder if it's SDI crap |
| 02:38.34 | Wyzard | hmm, that's exactly the optical drive I have in my laptop... GSA-4080N |
| 02:38.43 | enouf | i mean, your prior post showed it atleast trying to load codecs, now you get nothing |
| 02:38.44 | rita | enouf: I did use it, I tested with those options |
| 02:38.52 | enouf | Wyzard: ouch |
| 02:38.55 | Wyzard | not a very good drive for audio ripping, btw |
| 02:39.14 | enouf | rita: i mean., you're not showing it, though i'll take your word, but it';s getting worse it seems |
| 02:39.36 | enouf | rita: appease me grep hdc /proc/sys/dev/cdrom.info |
| 02:39.39 | enouf | rita: appease me grep hdc /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
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| 02:40.05 | rita | I did post it, here it is again http://pastebin.org/5671 |
| 02:40.39 | enouf | Wyzard: that file i mentioned has comments and a DBUG # about it |
| 02:40.49 | enouf | doing nasty things - when HAL gets at it |
| 02:40.51 | craigevil | why is it trying to create a root config ? |
| 02:41.07 | enouf | craigevil: i told them stop being root :-) |
| 02:41.12 | Wyzard | I haven't had any problems with the drive, FWIW |
| 02:41.18 | enouf | Wyzard: ok then |
| 02:42.28 | craigevil | just curious why do some people get hdx and some sdx? |
| 02:42.30 | enouf | rita: either i'm not seeing too well, or you're wrong ;-) i see no command there - i see the OUTPUT of possible command |
| 02:42.39 | enouf | craigevil: libata, and older hardware ;-) |
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| 02:43.21 | rita | drive name:hdc |
| 02:43.23 | craigevil | this pc is 5 yrs old and everything is sdx, but i run sid |
| 02:43.25 | enouf | sdX now is both all scsi and sata - plain pata is still hdx, but if scsi emulation is used it's possible pata == sdX ... i've seen it |
| 02:43.42 | enouf | craigevil: it's kernel config options .. all black magic :-) |
| 02:43.53 | craigevil | ah ok |
| 02:44.06 | enouf | wow - irssi loves those II as TABS ,,. heh |
| 02:44.17 | craigevil | i know crap about the kernel other than how to use apt-get to install a new one :) |
| 02:44.26 | enouf | hah! |
| 02:44.45 | enouf | craigevil: the debian kernel devels would be proud ;0 |
| 02:44.48 | rita | enouf: anyway, it was the command, and you have the hdc answer once more with this grep |
| 02:45.29 | Interphase | is there a way to pipe a list of files into mv? |
| 02:45.49 | craigevil | doing is grep ATAPI /var/log/dmesg his showed the drive hdx |
| 02:45.51 | craigevil | ata1.00: ATAPI: SONY DVD-ROM DDU1615, FDS2, max UDMA/33 |
| 02:45.52 | enouf | craigevil: and sdX for cds is usually like you have - both scd0 and sr0 |
| 02:45.52 | craigevil | ata1.01: ATAPI: PHILIPS DVD+/-RW DVD8801, 4D28, max UDMA/33 |
| 02:46.06 | enouf | wow .. oldie ;-) |
| 02:46.10 | craigevil | that command is whay i asked |
| 02:46.13 | craigevil | why |
| 02:46.17 | enouf | udma33? that's udma2 |
| 02:46.22 | craigevil | yep its a crappy dell from 2004 |
| 02:46.25 | enouf | haha |
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| 02:46.36 | enouf | craigevil: wait, you have which ICH? |
| 02:46.47 | enouf | craigevil: that might do udma4 |
| 02:46.54 | enouf | got an 80wire cable? |
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| 02:47.01 | craigevil | Audio: Card Intel 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller driver HDA Intel |
| 02:47.01 | rita | im out of ideas... |
| 02:47.06 | jmarsden | Interphase: mv $(cat filelist.txt} directoryname may work for you? |
| 02:47.12 | enouf | craigevil: hdparm -i /dev/scd0 should tell you |
| 02:47.49 | craigevil | DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 |
| 02:47.51 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.51 | enouf | craigevil: whoa ... that can def do udma100/udma5{6} for HDDs and udma4 for CD/DVDs, IINM |
| 02:47.56 | enouf | ugh!!! |
| 02:48.02 | enouf | got an 80wire cable? |
| 02:48.04 | enouf | ;-) |
| 02:48.16 | craigevil | nope |
| 02:48.22 | enouf | 5 dollah! |
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| 02:48.27 | enouf | er fie even :-p |
| 02:48.35 | craigevil | its not too bad takes about 15 minutes to burn a dvd |
| 02:48.48 | enouf | dude .. you're killing your system resources |
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| 02:49.14 | enouf | craigevil: if you don't offer to change that cable, i'm going to get drunk now :-P |
| 02:49.38 | craigevil | actually i havent a clue whats inside this pos, i havent touched the inside other than to blow out the dust |
| 02:50.14 | craigevil | its still running on 512ram rather than the 2gb it can handle |
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| 02:51.30 | craigevil | im just happy intel is finally working with UXA, and that tux droid works |
| 02:53.21 | enouf | craigevil: * Chipset: Embedded in Intel ICH6 * Function: PCI enhanced local bus IDE * Fully compatible with ANSIS ATA Rev. 3.0 Specification /ATAPI Specification * Support PIO mode-4 and Ultra DMA /33, DMA /66, DMA /100 * On-board 50-pin CD-ROM connectors |
| 02:53.38 | enouf | http://support.gateway.com/s/Profile/Profile55/Shared/4000960/4000960sp2.shtml <-- close enough to a dellio ;-) |
| 02:53.57 | enouf | eww,,, whoa ... eww eww ewww |
| 02:54.03 | craigevil | so a different cable for what the HD and dvd drives would make thing run faster/better? |
| 02:54.41 | enouf | is Ultra prepended to all those? it must be - since there hasn't been DMA only since .. like .. Dinosaurs roamed ;-P |
| 02:54.47 | enouf | Yes |
| 02:55.03 | rita | here is rain man, doesnt work either http://pastebin.org/5677 |
| 02:55.11 | enouf | google the exact system name/specs |
| 02:55.22 | rita | but a copy of spinal tap does, also some chinese movie works |
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| 02:57.13 | enouf | craigevil: fucken OUCH http://wiki.netbsd.se/Dell_Inspiron_2200 |
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| 02:57.44 | enouf | search that page for ultra and philips, heh |
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| 02:59.22 | craigevil | ok so i want something like> Ultra ATA/66/100/133 80-wire IDE Cable ? |
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| 03:00.14 | rita | rental movie don' t work either... damn Hollywood |
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| 03:00.42 | craigevil | rita: do you have libdvdcss installed you need it to decrypt some movies |
| 03:00.43 | enouf | craigevil: indeed |
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| 03:01.08 | enouf | rita: which kernel? uname -r and which debian release? |
| 03:01.19 | craigevil | cool $7 at newegg i was planning on ordering ram this week might as well get some new cables :) |
| 03:02.47 | enouf | attaboy - you could always end up using them ... down the road - cheap too |
| 03:04.12 | enouf | thinks rita needs a newer mplayer - or s/he grabbed a broken ffmpeg from wrong repo? IOW, not from DMM |
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| 03:05.21 | enouf | rita: dpkg -l ffmpeg\* libdvd\* | grep ^.i |
| 03:05.33 | enouf | along with cat /proc/version |
| 03:05.50 | enouf | and /etc/issue.net |
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| 03:08.23 | Malf | when downloading packages |
| 03:08.38 | enouf | try trickle |
| 03:08.49 | enouf | or renice/ionice it ;-) |
| 03:08.57 | enouf | though heh |
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| 03:13.11 | enouf | craigevil: erm .. wait, you don't have a sata dvd drive do you? ahh nope; http://support.us.dell.com/support/edocs/storage/P112120/en/connect.htm |
| 03:14.01 | cloudy_nz | has anyone here tried s-video to a TV with Debian? |
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| 03:15.36 | cloudy_nz | googles changing the primary display in gnome |
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| 03:16.15 | enouf | craigevil: uff .. 1 x 40-pin IDC Ultra ATA/33 (ATA-4) - EIDE/ATAPI <-- for your Sony .. heh, you might newer drives! .. uff |
| 03:16.33 | enouf | http://www.thenerds.net/SONY.Sony_DDU1615_16x_DVD_ROM_Drive.DDU161510.html?affid=4 |
| 03:17.41 | enouf | yikes; i stand corrected - the DRIVES themselves are limited ... |
| 03:17.43 | enouf | http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/storage/P112120/en/specs.htm |
| 03:17.51 | craigevil | hehe not gonna happen,, imwill have my pc hopefully in the next week or two then this one goes to the kids |
| 03:18.11 | enouf | System Interface Data transfer speed Max. 33.3 MB/s (UDMA Mode 2) |
| 03:18.12 | craigevil | even though the cpu is faster than the tiny via 1.4 in mine this thing is slower |
| 03:18.21 | enouf | what a dump |
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| 03:18.32 | enouf | now i';m definitely getting smashed |
| 03:18.55 | craigevil | hehe its a crappy dell the gf bought from one of those rent to own places before i met her |
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| 03:19.06 | enouf | an ICH6 era doing what my PentiumII does? Bwahahjahahaha .. you hear that abrotman? lmao |
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| 03:19.25 | enouf | my 440BX was prior to ICH1 .. hahahaha |
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| 03:21.25 | pipeline | enouf: back when UDMA mode 2 first become common |
| 03:22.08 | pipeline | enouf: 33 mb/s was more than any drive could consistently deliver |
| 03:22.17 | pipeline | enouf: the real motive was just to get DMA back into normal use |
| 03:22.59 | pipeline | enouf: (believe it or not, PIO was originally adopted because it had higher I/O throughput. In an age of single-task, single-program PCs, I/O throughput trumped all other considerations. The very earliest disk options for PC were obligate DMA devices!) |
| 03:23.47 | enouf | nods |
| 03:24.37 | gaintsura | ok.. seriously.. Every blank cd I put into either my system or my server to burn a cd image, dmesg always says: http://pastie.org/567572 I've tried brasero on my laptop and the burn tool via commandline on the server... different images, different cds which I know are blank. |
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| 03:25.40 | gaintsura | why are my systems doing this? |
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| 03:25.44 | enouf | pipeline: thanks for the refresher ... |
| 03:26.31 | enouf | gaintsura: bad media most likely |
| 03:26.41 | gaintsura | enouf: two different brands |
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| 03:26.49 | gaintsura | I've tried about 12 cds total |
| 03:27.02 | gaintsura | even when I try to mount it I get the same error |
| 03:27.07 | enouf | same batch .. doesn't matter |
| 03:27.19 | gaintsura | from 2 different manufacurers? |
| 03:27.25 | gaintsura | Memorex and Kodak |
| 03:27.29 | gaintsura | (not my choice btw) |
| 03:27.39 | enouf | possible - however the drive could be dying/dead |
| 03:27.42 | gaintsura | I'll even go pull one out of a fresh pack and try it just to show you |
| 03:28.03 | gaintsura | on two systems? |
| 03:28.09 | gaintsura | two totally different systems? |
| 03:28.21 | enouf | gaintsura: use wodim -atip ; file -s /dev/hdc (when a good known working CD is in drive) |
| 03:28.34 | enouf | er wodim -atip dev=/dev/hdc |
| 03:28.42 | gaintsura | installing |
| 03:28.50 | gaintsura | and to burn an image to disk? |
| 03:29.03 | enouf | uff - yes, two systems would point to bad media - more likely than 2 bad drives |
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| 03:29.26 | hacker_kid | any recommendations for file replication programs? i just need to syncronize files in one directory between two servers (dual-master) |
| 03:30.39 | hacker_kid | would something over the file system be better or would it be better to create a second partition and use drbd? |
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| 03:31.05 | Ezep | hacker_kid: rsync? |
| 03:31.05 | enouf | gaintsura: i used to get my dmesg flooded all the time when i had a blank CD in the drive and ran something like lshw, or hwinfo ... yeah it was hwinfo for sure |
| 03:31.48 | hacker_kid | Ezep, is it pretty quick and reliable, fairly simple to configure? |
| 03:32.33 | enouf | use wodim -dao driveropts=burnfree -speed={CHOOSE ONE - heh} /path/to/file.iso (or filelist or dir/files) |
| 03:33.04 | enouf | you don't need speed, nor driveropts= but it's nice - also - add -overburn |
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| 03:33.31 | enouf | [1901599.465386] end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 0 [1901599.465452] attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 03:33.57 | pipeline | hacker_kid: filesystem is easier and more foolproof. rsync and unison are both good options. |
| 03:34.00 | enouf | are those Blank -R or +R or +RW? |
| 03:34.01 | Ezep | hacker_kid: erm, yes? |
| 03:34.12 | enouf | anyways - i gotta run for a bit |
| 03:34.13 | Ezep | hacker_kid: try it :) |
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| 03:34.33 | hacker_kid | pipeline, Ezep, ty for the advice |
| 03:34.53 | Ezep | hacker_kid: np x) |
| 03:35.06 | gaintsura | enouf: wodim ftw :) |
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| 03:43.40 | KC | is there any way to format a partition as ntfs with debian |
| 03:43.50 | gaintsura | gparted? |
| 03:43.55 | gaintsura | or parted in general? |
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| 03:55.02 | gasull | Hi. Is there any way to run a Mac OS widget on Debian? Thanks. |
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| 04:05.14 | blueshoes | before starting wiping a big drive, is there a way to make dd verbose? |
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| 04:05.40 | Snadder | !medibuntu |
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| 04:09.56 | bpun | blueshoes, pcopy can show a progress meter |
| 04:10.16 | bpun | blueshoes, if there's a bad sector, something may show up with dmesg (ctl-alt-f2) |
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| 04:10.55 | bpun | blueshoes, use the notrunc option if using dd (wikipedia) |
| 04:10.59 | bpun | !dd |
| 04:11.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
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| 04:14.22 | shivraj | my whole system is sata .. sorry but I had to laugh |
| 04:14.32 | shivraj | not to mention USB |
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| 04:19.20 | Snadder | I'm getting this message in my firefox browser when streaming a file: TotemEmbedded-Message: totem_embedded_set_error: 'The playback of this movie requires a Microsoft Media Server (MMS) protocol source plugin which is not installed.' |
| 04:20.06 | Snadder | Anyone know where I can get an mms protocol source plugin? |
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| 04:27.49 | blueshoes | its possible to see dd status while doing it |
| 04:28.17 | blueshoes | launch your command in the background & and kill -SIGUSR1 <pid of dd> |
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| 04:33.12 | enouf | ok .. back |
| 04:33.18 | enouf | gaintsura: ;-) |
| 04:34.52 | enouf | blueshoes: read man dd, it shows you how to |
| 04:35.14 | blueshoes | found it ;) |
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| 04:35.34 | enouf | blueshoes: you don't do the verbosity before starting the command, just read it |
| 04:35.46 | enouf | oh .. i see, yep |
| 04:36.36 | enouf | Snadder: funny, when i installed IW, i ended up with All theses stinkin redmond OS codec shits |
| 04:36.38 | blueshoes | i messed with pkill, it killed my box at to reboot |
| 04:36.41 | blueshoes | at=had |
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| 04:37.05 | enouf | er .. pkill, heh, is nice, if used properly |
| 04:37.28 | blueshoes | there's a if in your phrase :> |
| 04:37.32 | enouf | Snadder: about:plugins and other things will show you |
| 04:37.37 | Snadder | enouf, whats IW? |
| 04:37.42 | enouf | !IW |
| 04:37.48 | enouf | eww |
| 04:37.54 | enouf | !iceweasel |
| 04:37.55 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 04:38.48 | enouf | but yours might be some totem issue related? different frontend than mplayer/vlc uses? no idea about this browser codec crap |
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| 04:39.16 | enouf | though that error seems more FF related |
| 04:39.37 | enouf | apt-cache search plugins | grep iceweasel :-) |
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| 04:40.24 | craigevil | what am I missing > configure: error: Your intltool is too old. You need intltool 0.40.0 or later |
| 04:40.30 | enouf | ouch - i got one! heh, total .. Snadder /msg dpkg dmm and /msg dpkg flashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:41.12 | enouf | though win32 codecs are in DMM |
| 04:41.12 | Snadder | Yeah. I got win32 codecs from dmm |
| 04:41.44 | enouf | aha MozPlugger 1.12.1 handles QuickTime and Windows Media Player Plugin |
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| 04:42.52 | enouf | mozplugger - Plugin allowing external viewers to be launched inside Mozilla |
| 04:43.23 | enouf | For documentation on how to configure mozplugger, check the man page. (type man mozplugger) |
| 04:43.54 | craigevil | mplayeplug-in or gecko-mediaplayer tend to work better than the weird totem plugin |
| 04:44.04 | enouf | about:plugins (as a URL) shows that, and almost every possible media type and their related codec/extension |
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| 04:45.32 | enouf | all them show up also in View | Preferences | Applications |
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| 04:49.14 | enouf | hah - got my shiny new 80GB ultraATA/100 HDD back |
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| 04:52.05 | hark | bing up your P2 |
| 04:52.24 | gasull | Do I need to open any port for using apt-p2p? Or is the port 9977 just used internally? Thanks |
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| 04:52.30 | enouf | hark: nah - this is going into the MP xeon ;-) |
| 04:53.40 | hark | ooh |
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| 04:54.30 | hark | nooo, now you can finally run firepoop! |
| 04:54.52 | Snadder | enouf, mozplugger dosnt give me anything on the screen |
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| 04:55.37 | hark | afk |
| 04:57.56 | enouf | heh |
| 04:58.30 | enouf | ~$ dpkg -L mozplugger Snadder |
| 04:58.41 | ``y7 | can i use dns servers 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.1 anywhere in the united states that I can get internet at? |
| 04:59.00 | enouf | it probably not the one supplying the actual codecs and shit - see dmm |
| 04:59.43 | enouf | see things like; /usr/share/doc/mozplugger/README.Debian |
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| 05:02.00 | gasull | Has anybody here used UPX to compress executables for performance? |
| 05:05.24 | redax | hm |
| 05:05.30 | redax | good morning, |
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| 05:07.27 | redax | if I want to compile my custom kernel, why does tg3 ethernet module is not selectable? |
| 05:07.53 | Snadder | enouf, When I enable mozilla-plugin-vlc.. I get a black screen saying "no video" in my browser.. |
| 05:08.11 | redax | kernel source is extracted from the debian kernel ( apt-get source linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem ....) |
| 05:08.22 | Snadder | enouf, and all other plugins i've tried dosnt work |
| 05:09.20 | Snadder | i've tried mplayerplug-in, totem, mozplugger and mozilla-plugin-vlc |
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| 05:10.35 | enouf | Snadder: i don't even use plugins, yet they seem available - does about:plugins show them? |
| 05:11.19 | Snadder | enouf, yep |
| 05:11.23 | enouf | if not, mv ~/.mozilla ~/MOZILLA.old or something - then restart your session and relaunch mozilla |
| 05:11.36 | Snadder | Yeah. A good idea |
| 05:12.08 | enouf | you followed what /usr/share/doc/mozplugger/README.Debian said? Snadder |
| 05:12.23 | Snadder | enouf, yep. I deleted that file |
| 05:12.38 | enouf | ok - waht about DMM |
| 05:12.41 | enouf | !dmm |
| 05:12.41 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 05:12.58 | Snadder | I've added dmm ages ago |
| 05:13.33 | Snadder | Any special package you want me to try from that mirror? |
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| 05:14.22 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache show w32codecs |
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| 05:14.34 | enouf | once you do the key thing, and run update |
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| 05:14.52 | jeeves | can anyone tell me what the ruby package is for OpenSSL? |
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| 05:15.37 | enouf | Snadder: ~$ dpkg -L w32codecs | pi |
| 05:15.38 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1514565 |
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| 05:16.58 | taiyedbrodel | hi |
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| 05:17.10 | taiyedbrodel | so, I just installed lxde on my debian testing |
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| 05:17.50 | enouf | ewww; heh; /usr/lib/codecs/mcdvd_32.dll: PE32 executable for MS Windows (DLL) (console) Intel 80386 32-bit |
| 05:17.54 | taiyedbrodel | but the monitor setting doesn't seem to modify the xorg config file, so everytime I reboot my screen resolution resets itself |
| 05:17.56 | Snadder | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/1514567 |
| 05:18.21 | enouf | Snadder: you're supposed to look at mine, not send me one of yours |
| 05:19.00 | Snadder | enouf, ok.. what should I look after? |
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| 05:19.52 | Snadder | enouf, it seems pretty simular to mine |
| 05:20.29 | enouf | but you just installed yours |
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| 05:21.01 | Snadder | enouf, yes? |
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| 05:23.55 | luke3321 | Hey guys, kinda screwed myself here. Do you know of a way to regenerate the menus in GNOME if for example you may have accidentally the Logic section under games? |
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| 05:25.04 | enouf | Snadder: i can't help more, i don;t use that stuff |
| 05:25.31 | enouf | update-menus will do the Debian menu system IINM |
| 05:26.06 | luke3321 | enouf: Hmm.. Nope, no change. Any other ideas? |
| 05:26.07 | enouf | gconf<TAB><TAB> |
| 05:26.58 | enouf | try /msg dpkg gnome luke3321 |
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| 05:27.27 | craigevil | Snadder: rather than mozplugger try using mozilla-mplayer or gecko-mediaplayer if your on testing or sid |
| 05:27.28 | luke3321 | mm okay |
| 05:27.33 | luke3321 | ill try that channel then |
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| 05:28.03 | enouf | luke3321: can't you right click some Start style button and select Configure menus? |
| 05:28.16 | enouf | luke3321: i don;'t use gnome either |
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| 05:28.35 | Supaplex | gnomes are freaky |
| 05:28.43 | Supaplex | !start a de war |
| 05:28.43 | luke3321 | enouf: Yes, this brings up the alacarte menu editor, but the "revert" button does nothing... |
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| 05:29.41 | enouf | luke3321: gnome-main-menu - GNOME start menu applet |
| 05:29.42 | enouf | gnome-menus - an implementation of the freedesktop menu specification for GNOME |
| 05:30.03 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search gnome | grep menu |
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| 05:30.47 | Snadder | craigevil, mozilla-mplayer is listed as mplayerplug-in in firefox |
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| 05:30.57 | Snadder | craigevil, I dont got testing or sid |
| 05:31.19 | Snadder | ..So I dont see gecko-mediaplayer |
| 05:31.22 | enouf | craigevil: i think he wants mms:// things through totem |
| 05:31.44 | enouf | through FF |
| 05:31.46 | luke3321 | enouf: A list of menu related packages? |
| 05:31.51 | enouf | not iceweasel , AFAICT |
| 05:32.50 | enouf | luke3321: read the debian-reference and learn how to know what |
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| 05:33.15 | enouf | s installed and where/how to find files - and which are possibly relevant |
| 05:33.33 | luke3321 | alright. I'll look into it |
| 05:33.37 | enouf | !tell luke3321 -about search |
| 05:33.50 | enouf | and note what apt-file can do |
| 05:34.00 | luke3321 | i know all about apt-file |
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| 05:34.11 | luke3321 | my problem isnt know what is installed |
| 05:34.26 | luke3321 | but a command to regenerated the need entries in the menu |
| 05:34.44 | enouf | so what happens when you do "gnome-main-menu" in an xterm/gnome-terminal? |
| 05:35.21 | enouf | luke3321: reinstall the pkg needed perhaps - though how would i know where the config is for that |
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| 05:35.48 | luke3321 | hmm. gnome-main-menu isnt a command |
| 05:35.55 | luke3321 | but i will try reinstalling it |
| 05:35.59 | luke3321 | that might help |
| 05:36.01 | enouf | likely in some ~/.g* related dotfiles, or /usr/share/* |
| 05:36.13 | craigevil | Snadder: ah i misunderstood, install the gstreamer bad and ugly packs if you dont already have them |
| 05:36.23 | enouf | luke3321: that's why we use tab-completion ;-) |
| 05:37.13 | enouf | vv |
| 05:37.16 | luke3321 | enouf: Yeah, nothing that looks that useful. But i think a found a relevant link on the net |
| 05:37.22 | luke3321 | gonna read through it |
| 05:37.26 | luke3321 | thanks for the help tho |
| 05:37.29 | enouf | craigevil: WOW - heh, $ apt-cache show gstreamer[TAB][TAB] |
| 05:37.31 | enouf | hehe |
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| 05:37.50 | enouf | ok |
| 05:37.53 | craigevil | there like a million gstreamer plugins |
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| 05:39.22 | craigevil | which is one of the reasons i avoid using it, mplayer plays everything |
| 05:40.30 | enouf | yep |
| 05:41.35 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache show totem |
| 05:41.36 | enouf | totem totem-common totem-dbg totem-gstreamer totem-mozilla totem-plugins totem-xine |
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| 05:42.07 | craigevil | actually from searching google for totem mms it could need the totem-xine package if it doesnt get autoinstalled now, as most of the returns are from 2005-2006 |
| 05:42.59 | enouf | TotemEmbedded-Message: totem_embedded_set_error: 'The playback of this movie requires a Microsoft Media Server (MMS) protocol source plugin which is not installed.' |
| 05:43.01 | craigevil | nvm totem-xine is a depends now |
| 05:43.35 | craigevil | i am brain dead its almost 2am here |
| 05:44.12 | enouf | craigevil: it's a Depends for all Lenny Squeeze Sid? |
| 05:44.29 | craigevil | hell if i know i run sid :) |
| 05:44.49 | craigevil | probably testing/sid Depends: totem-plugins (>= 2.26.2-2), totem-gstreamer (>= 2.26.2-2) | totem-xine (>= 2.26.2-2) since its gnome 2.26 |
| 05:45.55 | craigevil | its a depends in lenny as well http://packages.debian.org/lenny/totem |
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| 05:46.28 | Snadder | vlc have the type "application/x-mplayer2" supported in about:plugins.. thats why the vlc plugin comes up as a black box displaying "no video" |
| 05:47.21 | Snadder | Seems like most mms streams is using the tag application/x-mplayer2 |
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| 05:48.17 | Snadder | craigevil, I didnt have totem-xine installed |
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| 05:53.39 | Snadder | craigevil, enouf now the totem player wont even start |
| 05:53.57 | Snadder | only when I enable the vlc player I get a black screen up.. |
| 05:54.27 | Snadder | Else I dont see anything on the webpage |
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| 05:55.23 | kpearce | I'm running debian, and using ALSA. Audacious2 had an ugly crash, and now my my sound is beeping. It stops if I do /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop, but if I start alsa-utils again, the sound starts up, and I can't get audacious to work again |
| 05:55.27 | kpearce | any ideas? |
| 05:55.33 | kpearce | I also tried alsactl restore and alsactl init |
| 05:55.42 | craigevil | Snadder: im lost are you trying to play a stream in totem or in your browser? |
| 05:55.57 | Snadder | craigevil, in my browser |
| 05:56.52 | craigevil | the easiest way and the way that works best is with mplayer and mozilla-mplayer, having more than one player plugin can cause issues |
| 05:56.55 | Snadder | craigevil, before I installed any other plugin I was able to see the totem error message when playing an mms file |
| 05:57.19 | Snadder | craigevil, Ok. Then i'll remove all other plugins |
| 05:57.23 | craigevil | vlc and totem plugins are colliding |
| 05:57.32 | craigevil | only try to use one |
| 05:57.33 | Snadder | Ok |
| 05:57.59 | craigevil | or you can set the plugin to use in iceweasel Preferences>applications |
| 05:59.56 | Snadder | craigevil, do you know what content type I should search for there? |
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| 06:01.00 | Snadder | ..to find mms or application/x-mplayer2 |
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| 06:05.10 | Snadder | craigevil, I managed to install gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad instead of gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad |
| 06:05.15 | craigevil | no idea, if you want to stick with totem do you have gstreamer0.10-plugins-ffmpeg installed? |
| 06:05.24 | Snadder | Now the totem plugin works with mms :-) |
| 06:05.42 | craigevil | oh good |
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| 06:05.50 | Snadder | Sweet |
| 06:05.54 | Snadder | Thanks alot |
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| 06:08.56 | Snadder | craigevil, Damn.. it dosnt work to seek in mms streams with totem |
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| 06:09.47 | iluminator101 | I am getting this tor-geoipdb dependency error when i try to install tor....any pointers on this? |
| 06:11.27 | craigevil | Snadder: do you have gstreamer0.10-plugins-ffmpeg and ffmpeg installed? |
| 06:12.00 | Snadder | craigevil, I have gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg and ffmpeg installed |
| 06:12.10 | craigevil | iluminator101: what release it install fine in sid |
| 06:13.17 | iluminator101 | squeeze.... tor-geoipdb depends on tor (>= 0.2.0.35-1); however: |
| 06:13.17 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.31 | Ezep | Where did apt stores the actual state and tasks? |
| 06:14.05 | craigevil | Snadder: do apt-cache policy libmms0 |
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| 06:14.49 | Snadder | craigevil, http://pastebin.ca/1514597 |
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| 06:15.59 | craigevil | crap gstreamer -bad is supposed to play mms according to the gstreamer page |
| 06:16.01 | zhan_zr | I have cross-compiled a program for my ARM9 board. But it emit "Can't resolve symbol __div0" at runtime. Does anyone know the issue? |
| 06:16.25 | craigevil | http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-bad-plugins/html/gst-plugins-bad-plugins-plugin-mms.html |
| 06:16.48 | zhan_zr | I have cross-compiled a program for my ARM9 board. But it emit "Can't resolve symbol __div0" at runtime. Does anyone know the issue? |
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| 06:17.48 | Snadder | craigevil, Yes.. it plays.. but I cant seek |
| 06:17.57 | iluminator101 | here is the errors that i get craigevil http://debian.pastebin.com/d201bc336 |
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| 06:22.28 | Ezep | Where did apt stores the actual state and tasks? |
| 06:22.35 | craigevil | iluminator101: i know crap about stable, you might try installing it from testing or use the tor repo http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian |
| 06:23.29 | \amethyst | Ezep: /var/cache/apt, /var/lib/apt, and /var/lib/dpkg |
| 06:24.52 | iluminator101 | how do you manually configure tor config files |
| 06:25.57 | craigevil | Snadder: do you have a mms stream url handy? i |
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| 06:26.23 | Ezep | \amethyst: I just view in /var/* almost, the problem is that I have a broken package and I want to ignore it |
| 06:26.24 | craigevil | other than c-span :) |
| 06:26.43 | Ezep | But it's seems imposible, dpkg say that I have to reinstall it to remove :S |
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| 06:38.30 | sanmarcos | how can I power down my harddrive? |
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| 06:38.35 | Snadder | craigevil, mms://mms-icanal-od.online.no/norsk-ripub/autodistribusjon/NRK2_200907062215_KOID-270085-07_070_1000.wmv |
| 06:40.36 | Snadder | craigevil, when I start this file in mplayer.. and tries to seek.. I get up: Cannot seek in this file |
| 06:40.49 | mjt | enouf: dd if=/dev/hda iflag=direct of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100 -- for reading |
| 06:41.25 | mjt | enouf: dd of=/dev/hda oflag=direct if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 -- for writing -- WILL ZERO YOUR DISK |
| 06:42.27 | craigevil | Snadder: if its a live stream i dont think you can seek |
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| 06:42.30 | mjt | enouf: that's your actual sequential disk speed, one thread |
| 06:42.40 | Snadder | craigevil, its not a live stream |
| 06:43.23 | mjt | enouf: and that one *does* depend on the block size heavily, as bs= is actual I/O block size used when talking to disk. |
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| 06:49.47 | Snadder | craigevil, well.. what is really a live stream? |
| 06:51.09 | craigevil | Snadder: it might be http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=22782 but that bugs only refers to a downlaoded mms stream |
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| 06:54.12 | lizone | guys, is a socks proxy server installed or need to be installed on a standard lenny ? |
| 06:54.52 | Snadder | craigevil, do you know if mms streams is seekable on windows? |
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| 06:56.21 | sanmarcos | how can I power down my harddrive? |
| 06:56.56 | Supaplex | sanmarcos: play the power rangers theme song backwards? |
| 06:56.57 | jmarsden | lizone: Unlikely to be installed by default. apt-cache search socks will show you a bunch of socks-related packages you can install |
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| 06:57.19 | sanmarcos | Supaplex: that is why I use OS X , and only use debian on servers. |
| 06:57.29 | Supaplex | :) |
| 06:57.31 | liable | sanmarcos: hdparm is for playing with hard drive stuffs |
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| 06:57.35 | xavieran | Hi |
| 06:57.38 | lizone | jmarsden: thanks, I downloaded dante but not through apt-get |
| 06:58.02 | jmarsden | lizone: aptitude or synaptic or whatever work fine too :) |
| 06:58.07 | xavieran | I want to run a game which requires pygame 1.8.1, but I only have pygame1.7 installed. |
| 06:58.10 | craigevil | Snadder: havent ran windows in over 5 yrs |
| 06:58.25 | xavieran | I have done apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade, but pygame is still at the same version. |
| 06:58.29 | xavieran | I am running lenny |
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| 06:59.31 | lizone | jmarsden: one more question, should I get it up through a xinetd like server? |
| 06:59.48 | xavieran | Do I have to run testing to get this package? |
| 06:59.54 | \amethyst | xavieran: that is the latest version in lenny. you will have to do a backport from testing or unstable |
| 06:59.59 | \amethyst | !ssb |
| 06:59.59 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 07:00.09 | Snadder | craigevil, ok |
| 07:00.22 | xavieran | !backports |
| 07:00.22 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 07:00.39 | sanmarcos | maxtor is such a piece of shit |
| 07:00.50 | xavieran | thanks \amethyst |
| 07:00.50 | \amethyst | it's not in backports.org, so you'll have to build it yourself |
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| 07:00.56 | jmarsden | lizone: I don't remember... no it looks like it runs as its own daemon, so will not need xinetd |
| 07:01.17 | lizone | jmarsden: thanks for the info |
| 07:01.25 | xavieran | \amethyst: Ok |
| 07:01.28 | jmarsden | No problem. |
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| 07:03.22 | hanibana | hi all |
| 07:03.43 | xavieran | \amethyst: pygame 1.8.1 is in testing, I don |
| 07:03.56 | hanibana | I've installed "maidag" (from GNU mailutils) and configured it for LMTP mode; it's running... I want to know how an LMTP server checks the validity of a mail user? |
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| 07:04.15 | xavieran | 't want my entire system to be in testing, so how can I install just pygame 1.8.1 from testing? Manually wget and dpkg -i the package? |
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| 07:04.57 | jmarsden | xavieran: You probably need to learn about pinning. man apt_preferences |
| 07:05.15 | xavieran | jmarsden: thanks |
| 07:05.33 | jmarsden | !pinning |
| 07:05.34 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 07:43.53 | Pe3k | pls, what can I do now? -> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: pure-ftpd is broken or not fully installed |
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| 07:48.18 | fxiny | try dpkg --configure -a |
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| 07:49.33 | Pe3k | fxiny it does not take the last argument '-a' |
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| 07:51.37 | fxiny | are yoy root ? what's the error ? |
| 07:52.05 | fxiny | Pe3k: just #dpkg --configure -a |
| 07:52.35 | Pe3k | fxiny: sorry ...I added pure-ftpd to it |
| 07:53.10 | Pe3k | fxiny: but also 'dpkg --configure -a' does not work |
| 07:53.58 | redstick | sudo |
| 07:54.37 | fxiny | Pe3k: i'm on lenny , aptitude -s install pulls only two packages : pure-ftpd pure-ftpd-common |
| 07:55.01 | Pe3k | fxiny: http://pastebin.com/mab842ac |
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| 07:55.38 | fxiny | Pe3k: ubuntu ? |
| 07:55.55 | Pe3k | fxiny: yes |
| 07:56.22 | fxiny | Pe3k: sorry , can't help you then , it works fine in debian , ask #ubuntu |
| 07:57.00 | Pe3k | fxiny: can't get answer there, but anyway thanks for your time |
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| 07:57.24 | fxiny | Pe3k: np . as i said we have no such a problem , good luck :) |
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| 08:08.56 | eshaase | will 'diff -r x y' tell me whether or not the contents of directories x and y and identical? |
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| 08:11.19 | eshaase | or is there a better way to accomplish what i'm doing? not sure how well diff works with binary files |
| 08:12.14 | nsadmin | x and y and identical? |
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| 08:12.19 | patrikf | eshaase: look at xdelta or bdelta for diffs on binary files |
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| 08:18.37 | Terminus | hello. how can i get a list of all manually installed packages? |
| 08:19.46 | patrikf | Terminus: aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 08:20.13 | nsadmin | Terminus: do you only use aptitude? |
| 08:20.24 | Terminus | patrikf: ah... thanks! didn't think about tags. |
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| 08:20.31 | Terminus | nsadmin: yes, i only use aptitude |
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| 08:20.46 | Terminus | any way to eliminate the packages installed by tasksel? |
| 08:22.14 | luke1704 | Can somebody help me how to protect a zip-archive efficiently? |
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| 08:22.52 | patrikf | luke1704: zip --encrypt? |
| 08:23.03 | nsadmin | luke1704: protect from what? |
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| 08:23.05 | luke1704 | either by a password or encryption |
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| 08:23.53 | patrikf | well, as I said, zip directly supports encryption (I think). otherwise you can always use gpg |
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| 08:24.09 | luke1704 | thanks! gzip doesn't |
| 08:24.29 | eshaase | nsadmin: i'm not sure if x and y are identical, thts what i'm trying to figure out |
| 08:24.36 | patrikf | and protecting something by password without encrypting it will not prove very secure ;-) |
| 08:24.49 | eshaase | patrikf: ok, thanks |
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| 08:24.57 | patrikf | luke1704: then please say "gzipped file", and not "zip archive". |
| 08:25.10 | luke1704 | patrikf, yes. You are right |
| 08:25.34 | nsadmin | those are two different things |
| 08:25.36 | luke1704 | what is the difference between gzip and zip? |
| 08:25.49 | nsadmin | read their man pages and see |
| 08:25.51 | eshaase | completely different compression algorithms and data formats |
| 08:25.51 | luke1704 | Didn't knew that |
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| 08:26.17 | luke1704 | ok, thank you all! |
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| 08:26.59 | nsadmin | also completely different purpose: |
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| 08:27.49 | nsadmin | zip can do a collection of files, and also includes compression, while gzip only compresses one file |
| 08:28.35 | JPT | that's why we create tarballs *happy* |
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| 08:32.03 | \3TATUK | I'm trying to use stunnel but it hangs after "write client hello A", (i think i'm supposed to get a "read server hello A" after that)...any ideas? |
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| 08:33.25 | fxiny | and we happily unzip lame xpi mozilla.org adds on :P |
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| 08:58.22 | Tiffon | nas |
| 08:59.05 | Pe3k | fxiny: I solved it, I used apt-file to find out from which package mentioned file comes, and then reconfigure it (pure-ftpd-common) |
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| 09:02.42 | fxiny | Pe3k: ok |
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| 09:10.28 | suji | when i give the command sudo pbuilder create, i got this output http://pastebin.com/m51ac6014 |
| 09:10.37 | suji | the base.tar.gz wont create |
| 09:10.40 | suji | what i do? |
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| 09:12.52 | eshaase | suji: you do the hokey pokey and you shake it all about |
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| 09:15.04 | suji | eshaase: What? |
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| 09:15.34 | eshaase | suji: hehe, i dont' know, sorry i can't be of more assistance =( |
| 09:15.37 | jeeves | how can I reinstall GRUB to /dev/sda1 ? |
| 09:16.24 | suji | eshaase: okey okey.... |
| 09:16.43 | jeeves | eshaase, any ideas on fixing this GRUB issue? |
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| 09:21.36 | eshaase | jeeves: google =) |
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| 09:22.30 | eshaase | jeeves: http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/ |
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| 09:29.10 | LuciusMare | hello,i have got a PDA (HTC touch diamond2) which can be used as a gprs modem.what do i have to install if i want to use it? |
| 09:30.00 | LuciusMare | MAN screen |
| 09:30.04 | LuciusMare | eh |
| 09:30.06 | LuciusMare | wrong window |
| 09:30.23 | liable | heh |
| 09:30.33 | LuciusMare | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:30.58 | liable | LuciusMare: depends how you connect to it, but however you do, you'll need pppd to dial out on it |
| 09:31.05 | LuciusMare | liable: usb cabel |
| 09:31.11 | LuciusMare | dial? |
| 09:31.29 | liable | ok, pppd and friends is what you need |
| 09:31.48 | liable | even network-manager can handle that these days |
| 09:34.25 | salman | I have a lenny notebook that was working fine. After I apt-upgraded it, a new kernel was installed. and now I can not use the wifi |
| 09:34.49 | liable | what does dmesg say about it? |
| 09:36.11 | salman | the wifi is working and it detects the hotspots but I can not use anyone of them because it is always on the 'roaming' mode |
| 09:36.47 | liable | what makes you say its in "roaming" mode? |
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| 09:37.10 | LuciusMare | package pppd not found |
| 09:37.22 | liable | LuciusMare: its just ppp iirc |
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| 09:37.36 | liable | pppd is the daemon, ppp is the package |
| 09:37.45 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 09:37.55 | LuciusMare | package friends not found |
| 09:37.57 | LuciusMare | damn |
| 09:38.07 | LuciusMare | just tell me the package names :) |
| 09:38.08 | liable | ... |
| 09:38.18 | LuciusMare | er |
| 09:38.20 | LuciusMare | you meant |
| 09:38.24 | LuciusMare | i need friends |
| 09:38.26 | LuciusMare | like |
| 09:38.27 | LuciusMare | friends |
| 09:38.31 | LuciusMare | right? :) |
| 09:38.55 | liable | no, there are a few front ends for pppd if you want to use them. thats what I meant by friends. |
| 09:39.04 | LuciusMare | ah |
| 09:39.06 | liable | and dont hit the enter key so much |
| 09:39.39 | LuciusMare | sorry |
| 09:40.55 | eshaase | friends == associated packages =) |
| 09:41.39 | eshaase | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ppp&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 09:42.34 | tomas | hello |
| 09:42.37 | tomas | gwah |
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| 09:42.51 | liable | heh |
| 09:43.08 | liable | guess he didn't really want to be here after all .. :) |
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| 09:43.12 | LuciusMare | hello |
| 09:43.21 | liable | oh, that was you |
| 09:43.28 | LuciusMare | so,i installed ppp and network-manager,what do i have to do now? |
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| 09:44.38 | liable | LuciusMare: configure it to dial out on /dev/ttyUSB* (whatever your device it becomes when you plug the cable in) and it depends on your providor if you need to supply a username and password |
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| 09:45.25 | LuciusMare | i may be super-annoying and stupid but how do i realise which one in /dev is my phone? |
| 09:45.44 | liable | dmesg should mention it when you plug it in |
| 09:45.57 | liable | its probably /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 09:47.07 | LuciusMare | !pastebin |
| 09:47.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 10:10.21 | christiannnn | hi, i have a error in grub "ERror 17" somebody knows how to fix it ? |
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| 10:11.23 | somebody_ | my keyboard is messed up in gnome it keeps adding dead keys or numpads i can't disbale them from gnome pannel and /etc/X11/xorg.cong is emty for some reason. |
| 10:12.02 | somebody_ | the only way i can get my keyboard back it if i delete .gnome config folders |
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| 10:13.01 | somebody_ | how can i tell gnome to use /etc/xorg.conf instead of its usualy configuration pannel ? |
| 10:13.09 | Zvpun | is there a txt version of the aptitude user manual in some package? |
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| 10:16.31 | craigevil | Zvpun: check /usr/share/aptitude/help.txt |
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| 10:17.54 | Zvpun | craigevil: doesnt help I am looking for the list of serach codes like ~n, ~A, ... It realy sucks that they are not documented in the manpage |
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| 10:18.20 | jpcooper | hello |
| 10:18.41 | jpcooper | has anyone been experiencing problems with installing Debian with British English with the netinst CD? |
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| 10:18.49 | judgepg | christiannnn: sounds like grub can't recognize the filesystem. Read: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=120802 |
| 10:18.50 | liable | Zvpun: annoys me too |
| 10:19.40 | Zvpun | jpcooper: I think its a safe bet to say yes. Anyone certainly has had problems. |
| 10:19.47 | craigevil | Zvpun: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 10:20.10 | Zvpun | craigevil: you miss the point, completly |
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| 10:22.23 | craigevil | the same info is in aptitude-doc-en |
| 10:23.20 | lvh | hi |
| 10:23.29 | lvh | libmagic question, what generates the /etc/magic and magic-mime files? |
| 10:23.47 | lvh | I tried apt-file search, but it's not in any package -- this leads me to believe those files are generated |
| 10:24.07 | lvh | also, they appear to be mostly empty. Is most of the data hardcoded or something? |
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| 10:25.23 | Zvpun | craigevil: CMIIW but aptitude-doc-* only contains html documentation and no txt file. |
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| 10:26.06 | dutchfish | lvh, aptitude show file |
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| 10:27.52 | dutchfish | lvh, tip: wrapper |
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| 10:29.40 | lvh | dutchfish: Huh? I thought aptitude show was for package names, not file names. |
| 10:30.12 | lvh | Oh, wait, the "file" package. Sorry :-D |
| 10:30.48 | dutchfish | lvh, :) its a dep from libtool, file is only a wrapper since magic 4.0 |
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| 10:31.59 | hark | Zvpun: look in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/ |
| 10:33.21 | lvh | dutchfish: so, libmagic1? I'm guessing that file is touched by the postinstall script or something, since it's not in the package. |
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| 10:34.45 | dutchfish | lvh, no: libtool needs file wich installs /etc/magic and /etc/magic-mime (the rest of the dep tree i can not chekc in your specific case) |
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| 10:35.08 | lvh | dutchfish: Ah -- okay, that makes sense. Thank you! :-) |
| 10:35.09 | dutchfish | lvh, aptitude why/why-not |
| 10:35.34 | dutchfish | lvh, yw |
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| 10:48.37 | dpkg | <twiggz> who cares...dont pick a dictionary pass and its secure. |
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| 11:32.34 | lvh | Hi |
| 11:32.47 | lvh | I've got a directory with mixed case file names (also with underscores and dots in it) |
| 11:32.56 | lvh | What's the easiest way to mass rename it all to lowercase? |
| 11:33.15 | mjt | see obvious: man rename :) |
| 11:33.43 | mjt | there's even an example for your case |
| 11:34.53 | lvh | heh, doing it with python actually :p |
| 11:35.47 | thrashold | mjt, doesn't that depend on what you set for rename in alternatives? My Gentoo box has some rename totally different from the Debian one |
| 11:36.23 | mjt | thrashold: we're talking about debian, no? |
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| 11:36.42 | mjt | but yes |
| 11:36.45 | thrashold | mjt, yes, but it seems to exist in alternatives, therefore I guess there is more than one alternative for this |
| 11:36.49 | mjt | there's another rename available |
| 11:36.55 | mjt | sure |
| 11:37.36 | mjt | i don't know which package provides other alternative for it |
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| 11:39.02 | DeSian | any docs about cakephp on debian? |
| 11:39.26 | jaalto | Why does USB FAT32 report bigger df(1) consumption than what the actual ncdu(1) says? df claims 1.8M, whereas the real byte count of files is 1.1M according to ncdu(1) at the directory. |
| 11:41.04 | mjt | i've no idea what ncdu reports |
| 11:41.15 | mjt | but there are such things like filesystem block size, |
| 11:41.24 | mjt | and other data structures for the OS |
| 11:41.33 | mjt | like two copies of fat |
| 11:41.44 | mjt | (= file allocation table) |
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| 11:42.22 | mjt | also if you've a process which holds an open but deleted file in there, that file will be reflected in df but not du |
| 11:42.39 | mjt | (yes it's ok to delete an open file) |
| 11:43.04 | jaalto | ncdu(1) is just "ls -l" utility that sums up the file sizes recursively. About that block size, how do I find out what it is in the USB stick? |
| 11:43.20 | mjt | it's filesystem-specific |
| 11:43.39 | mjt | usually it's 16 or 32kb for current usb fat32 sizes |
| 11:43.50 | mjt | so on average you lose 8 or 16kb per file |
| 11:44.01 | mjt | (ie, half the blocksize) |
| 11:45.17 | mjt | fat[32] allocates space for files in blocks of fixed (per-filesystem) size. |
| 11:45.49 | mjt | so if your fs uses 32k blocks, and you want to create file with only one byte, fs will allocate one block for it, and you'll lose 32k-1 bytes. |
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| 11:46.10 | mjt | classical question it is ;) |
| 11:46.25 | fxiny | lvh: puthon ? tr |
| 11:46.47 | jaalto | mjt: Yup. In ext FS, I can use dumpe2fs(8) to see the block sizes, but is there something similar to FAT FS? |
| 11:47.00 | mjt | dunno |
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| 11:47.09 | mjt | dosfstools package |
| 11:47.25 | fxiny | lvh: tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' |
| 11:48.16 | jaalto | mjt: checking dosfstools and mtools packages |
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| 11:49.28 | mjt | jaalto: but i don't think it'll be useful for you |
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| 11:50.44 | mjt | jaalto: i mean, you can't change it anyway, as it depends on the filesystem size |
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| 11:51.35 | opensourcer | rtl8187b not working under lenny (2.6.26) AMD64 |
| 11:51.52 | KeiKurono | opensourcer, you are in dual boot? |
| 11:51.53 | opensourcer | I followed http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
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| 11:52.14 | opensourcer | no errors while running modprobe rtl8187 |
| 11:52.25 | opensourcer | but iwconfig says |
| 11:52.37 | KeiKurono | enable wake-on-lan of your ethernet card if so |
| 11:52.40 | opensourcer | no wireless extensions |
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| 11:53.34 | mjt | does it actually create interface when loading driver? |
| 11:53.34 | fxiny | lvh: and : rename 'y/A-Z/a-z/' * |
| 11:53.56 | KeiKurono | opensourcer, dmesg | grep eth , is link up ? |
| 11:54.01 | opensourcer | no no interface created, you mean wlan0 |
| 11:54.21 | mjt | anything interesting in dmesg when the module gets loaded? |
| 11:54.23 | fxiny | lvh: guess how ? from the manual :P |
| 11:54.37 | mjt | fxiny: i sent him to this very example right awya |
| 11:54.42 | fxiny | yes |
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| 11:55.07 | opensourcer | when I run modprobe i get -> usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187 |
| 11:55.10 | opensourcer | that's it |
| 11:55.16 | opensourcer | no error message |
| 11:55.27 | opensourcer | dmesg | grep eth |
| 11:55.28 | mjt | and when you unplug/plyg the device? |
| 11:55.34 | mjt | no, not eth |
| 11:55.48 | opensourcer | doesn't give any info about wlan or the usb dev |
| 11:55.49 | fxiny | mjt: mjt oh f* . 20 minutes ago ... |
| 11:55.57 | mjt | ;) |
| 11:56.38 | mjt | opensourcer: see the esamples ("supported devices") in that wiki page |
| 11:57.00 | jaalto | mjt: mjt: the mkdosfs(8) lists option "-s sectors-per-cluster 1, 2, 4, 8...128" that would probably be the "block size". Now if I could find out what it is currently on USB stick... |
| 11:57.23 | mjt | opensourcer: when you plug it in, there should be a message telling the system discovered a new device |
| 11:57.36 | mjt | opensourcer: and next you should see a line from the driver |
| 11:57.42 | opensourcer | output of dmesg | grep eth8 -> http://pastebin.com/d974f201 |
| 11:57.50 | mjt | don't do any grep |
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| 11:58.02 | mjt | but why it's eth8?? |
| 11:58.15 | mjt | you have 8 other NICs? |
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| 11:59.42 | mjt | jaalto: just forget about it. seriously, don't try to optimize it. If you need to save many files, use tar or zip or whatever, that's basically it. |
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| 12:02.52 | jaalto | mjt: I wouln't have worried about it, but when I last night tried to back up 2.4G data to a 4G USB stick and after 7 hours it said "Full" I started to wonder what's going on. There should have been plenty of room. First I tought the 'posixovl' doubled the file sizes, but the impact of 23 extra bytes per every file was not the culprit. |
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| 12:03.12 | jaalto | It's unbearable for not to be able to fir 2.4G on 4G stick! |
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| 12:04.29 | fxiny | 7 hours ? |
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| 12:04.49 | opensourcer | sorry s/eth8/eth*/ |
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| 12:04.57 | jaalto | fxiny: Yes, The USB sticks are notoriously slow with small files. About 1-2Mb/s write. |
| 12:05.00 | chomwitt | can i see somewhere videos from debconf 9 ? |
| 12:05.19 | jaalto | fxiny: And it's USB 2.0 |
| 12:05.40 | fxiny | jaalto: try the Alan Cox tar trick next |
| 12:05.45 | opensourcer | WG111v3 -> is supported |
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| 12:06.49 | jaalto | fxiny: For backup, that's not feasible. The copy takes hours. I intended to rsync: the first time it takes time, the next time it should be fast. But the size problems hit the wall. |
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| 12:07.08 | fxiny | jaalto: (cd /source/directory && tar cf - . ) | (cd /dest/directory && tar xpvf -) |
| 12:07.22 | opensourcer | any one knows how to trl8187b wireless usb |
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| 12:08.09 | jaalto | fxiny: Hm. I misunderstood (*.tar.gz). Ok. |
| 12:08.20 | xand | opensourcer: do you mean RTL8187B? |
| 12:08.23 | fxiny | no tar.gz , plain tar |
| 12:09.33 | jaalto | fxiny: slipt to run the tests |
| 12:09.54 | stew | judd: pciname 8187 |
| 12:09.55 | judd | stew: '8187' matched: [10ec:8199] 'RTL8187SE Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' |
| 12:10.03 | stew | judd: pciid 10ec:8199 |
| 12:10.04 | judd | stew: [10ec:8199] is 'RTL8187SE Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'set(['rtl8187se'])' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8199 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
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| 12:10.28 | stew | opensourcer: check that wiki page ^^ |
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| 12:11.58 | bolt | chkrootkit says "Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 465)". but from what I can see, that's postfix doing smtps... |
| 12:12.18 | bolt | telneting to port 465 gives me smtps, and shows up in the postfix logs |
| 12:12.21 | mjt | jaalto: as i said: use tar or zip. as you observed it's very slow for small files, and there's a reason for that: each file requires updating of the directory, which means many many small writes -- the worst mode of operations for a flash memory. It'll kill your flash fast. |
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| 12:13.15 | fxiny | flash is always bad :P |
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| 12:13.31 | valdyn | flash writes huge blocks of data at once, thats the actual issue |
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| 12:14.35 | mjt | jaalto: in any way, 7h for 4gig is very very slow. Maybe I'm a bit too spoilt by good usb flash sticks (mine writes at 25Mb/sec min), but 7h is still too slow... |
| 12:15.07 | mjt | valdyn: many small writes all over is the worst mode for large eraseblocks. that's what i meant. |
| 12:15.19 | valdyn | mjt: yea |
| 12:15.44 | valdyn | maybe upping the sync time will fix that |
| 12:15.52 | valdyn | or improve that |
| 12:16.05 | valdyn | but with small files it might actually be the *reads* that are slowing this down too |
| 12:16.08 | mjt | just stop writing many small files and use tar. |
| 12:16.16 | jaalto | mjt: Yes, this was an attempt to rsync GIT bare repositories that have many small files. |
| 12:16.32 | mjt | which will give you permission/ownership for free btw |
| 12:16.42 | mjt | oooo |
| 12:16.48 | jaalto | mjt: I'm testing the tar suggestion right now with one directory |
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| 12:17.06 | mjt | especially for git which uses long filenames :) |
| 12:17.23 | mjt | updating directories should be VERY slow |
| 12:18.08 | mjt | and for directories alone you'll lose quite some space too |
| 12:18.15 | dutchfish | mjt, just a silly thought, would squashfs help? |
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| 12:18.23 | mjt | sure it will |
| 12:18.30 | mjt | but here it's not different than tar |
| 12:18.31 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 12:18.54 | valdyn | loopback mounted image would be one way too |
| 12:18.58 | mjt | with the difference that you'll be able to mount the archive like it was in flash directly |
| 12:19.19 | mjt | but again, there's tar module for fuse |
| 12:19.21 | fxiny | valdyn: yt sounds good |
| 12:19.44 | mjt | tar is just so unix'ish... :) |
| 12:19.52 | jaalto | mjt: Those directories really bugged me. On FAT they list "drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 32768" and on ext2 they list "drwxr-xr-x 2 jaalto jaalto 4096". 32768 vs. 4096? Does this explain the huge inefficiency? |
| 12:20.32 | mjt | fat32 stores two or more dir entries per file for large filenames |
| 12:20.34 | dutchfish | mjt, i also expirimented with pbzip2, it was a use speed gain on the old usb sticks |
| 12:21.00 | jaalto | mjt: which tar module for fuse? |
| 12:21.02 | mjt | basically each subsequent 11 bytes needs another dir entry ;) |
| 12:21.06 | dutchfish | mjt, and it can compress even a bit better ~4 - 7 % |
| 12:21.36 | mjt | dutchfish: with compressors main point is easy of use with todays sizes |
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| 12:21.56 | jaalto | valdyn: Good idea that loopback. I have to test it too. |
| 12:21.58 | mjt | while tar.gz or even .zip is understand by everything, bz2 is not that common still |
| 12:22.12 | mjt | and it's very slow |
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| 12:22.38 | dutchfish | mjt, true, but it is *faster* at lleast pbzip2 is |
| 12:23.29 | jaalto | mjt: This article made me to switch back to gzip: "How To Think About Compression, Part 2" 2009-02-17 http://changelog.complete.org/archives/931-how-to-think-about-compression-part-2 |
| 12:23.29 | mjt | faster than what? bz2 is about 10x slower than gz. And ther's also pigz (parallel gzip). Bz2 is slower in both compressor and decompressor btw. |
| 12:24.08 | jaalto | mjt: for nightly, weekly backup series |
| 12:24.27 | mjt | when i need to perform large compression, i use lzop or gzip |
| 12:24.34 | dutchfish | mjt, not on old usb-sticks because of its buffering methods |
| 12:24.43 | dutchfish | mjt, check it |
| 12:24.54 | mjt | dutchfish: KERNEL buffers the data first. |
| 12:25.22 | dutchfish | mjt, its all about low level device i/o, nothing else mathers |
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| 12:25.29 | mjt | sure |
| 12:25.45 | mjt | but be it gz or bz or tar or whatever, low-level device i/o does not change |
| 12:26.03 | mjt | unless it's a large pile of small files ;) |
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| 12:26.11 | dutchfish | mjt, sure, but handeling the stream from userland to kernel DOES mather |
| 12:26.23 | jaalto | mjt: you mentioned about tar module for FUSE? |
| 12:26.25 | mjt | heh |
| 12:26.40 | mjt | jaalto: there are several archive-fuse modules |
| 12:26.49 | mjt | don't remember off-hand |
| 12:27.22 | mjt | just be aware that it's not a good idea to use it with tar.gz since whole archive needs to be read/uncompressed for last files |
| 12:27.28 | mjt | (zip and plain tar are ok) |
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| 12:28.33 | jaalto | mjt: ok |
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| 12:30.02 | mjt | dutchfish: just yesterday we had this discussion with others, someone said `dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=XX' is more efficient with larger blocksize, but I insisted it's about the same (modulo several percents) if bs is larger than, say, 512bytes (after which context swithc overhead stops dominating) - at 512 or 1Mb it's about the same. |
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| 12:30.34 | mjt | the same is with this case: kernel buffers alot of data so it's no difference if you feed it by small chunks or large |
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| 12:30.52 | mjt | what is different is metadata updates which are syncronous |
| 12:31.01 | mjt | ie, creating/deleting files |
| 12:31.07 | dutchfish | mjt, correct. with one note : unionfs ; |
| 12:31.22 | jaalto | mjt: interesting. I though the dd(8) blocksizes really mattered. |
| 12:31.24 | mjt | and how unionfs is relevant? |
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| 12:31.29 | mjt | lol |
| 12:31.37 | mjt | sure it is |
| 12:31.49 | mjt | but kernel buffers everything (or readaheads for reads) |
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| 12:32.03 | dutchfish | mjt, hence my intrest in unionfs lately |
| 12:32.17 | mjt | dd can be told to do direct i/o, and THERE the block size matters alot. |
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| 12:32.31 | mjt | ok, i'm out of here |
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| 12:32.41 | dutchfish | mjt, however the package seams to be low on activity |
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| 12:33.02 | dutchfish | mjt, ture |
| 12:33.08 | dutchfish | s/ture/sure |
| 12:33.16 | da78 | hello all |
| 12:33.26 | dutchfish | mjt, its all about the userland |
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| 12:33.58 | dutchfish | mjt, most of the methods are not adequate for things like usb sticks |
| 12:34.00 | cyberninja | hey guys can anyone help me, exim4 doesnt let me send mail to external emiail addresses it says 'relay not permitted' http://p.linode.com/2770 |
| 12:34.01 | da78 | Maybe someone can give me a hint. |
| 12:34.09 | jaalto | mjt: thanks for everything. |
| 12:34.16 | dutchfish | mjt, yes thanks |
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| 12:35.17 | mjt | unionfs isn't stalled - it's developed at uni and all students are at vacation now. it works (albiet a few bugs still), and has nothing to do with usb flash issue at hand. |
| 12:35.27 | mjt | ;) |
| 12:35.29 | valdyn | cyberninja: you left Machines to relay mail for: Blank and Domains to relay mail for: Blank |
| 12:35.34 | mjt | anyone from .tr here? |
| 12:35.57 | dutchfish | mjt, ah ok, thanks for info |
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| 12:37.02 | abrotman | mjt: there's a -tr channel IIRC |
| 12:37.19 | cyberninja | valdyn: it was working with that setting further down i said after setting up virtual domain aliasing the 'relay not permitted' error started |
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| 12:37.43 | cyberninja | valdyn: and im dont want to make a smart host or use a smart host |
| 12:37.45 | mjt | abrotman: with only me in there :) |
| 12:37.53 | dutchfish | mjt, http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/unionfs.html |
| 12:38.22 | mjt | dutchfish: yes i've seen that page |
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| 12:38.29 | dutchfish | mjt, i ment th edebian package |
| 12:38.31 | abrotman | mjt: supposedly it was #debian.tr on oftc .. |
| 12:38.38 | abrotman | !tr |
| 12:38.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 12:38.43 | mjt | dutchfish: see also http://unionfs.filesystems.org/ ;) |
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| 12:38.47 | abrotman | oh .. no .. freenode |
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| 12:38.51 | dutchfish | mjt, yes, thanks |
| 12:38.58 | abrotman | mjt: about 10 people there |
| 12:39.20 | mjt | i was in -tr not .tr :) |
| 12:39.47 | mjt | i just wanted to know how's the 'net access in .tr, nothing related to debian really |
| 12:40.02 | mjt | (going that route today and wanted to prepare for the worst ;) |
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| 12:40.53 | da78 | Maybe someone had a hint for with the following problem. I have 3 server (a,b,c). a directory on server A is mounted (nfs through ssh) on server B. Now i want to mount this directory from server B on server C also with nfs/ssh. But i got an error ("mount.nfs: localhost:/bla failed, reason given by server: Permission denied"). I can mount directorys from Server B at Server C without a problem (also with nfs via ssh). |
| 12:41.47 | abrotman | mjt: they seem to have no problem finding spammers and bots :) |
| 12:41.47 | mjt | don't tell me about bots and spammers.. ;) |
| 12:42.15 | mjt | (i become mad really quick :) |
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| 12:43.40 | abrotman | da78: i think your letters got confused (or i did) .. sounds like it works ? .. you say you can mount filesystems on B from C ? |
| 12:43.44 | abrotman | that's so confusing |
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| 12:45.43 | da78 | im sorry, abrotman: the problem is a little bit tricky, because i want to share a directory from server A with server B and from server B to server C (the directory from Server A). All done with nfs through ssh. |
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| 12:46.19 | abrotman | so other shares work .. just not the re-shared one ? |
| 12:46.23 | da78 | Mounting a directory from server B --> at server C works. |
| 12:46.32 | da78 | Mounting a directory from server A --> at server B works. |
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| 12:47.16 | da78 | but mounting the directory from Server A --> over server B --> at server C didn't work. |
| 12:47.35 | dutchfish | da78, why not exportfs firectly from A --> C for thta dir? |
| 12:47.46 | dutchfish | s/firectly/directly |
| 12:47.52 | da78 | here to explain the files (fstab and exports): http://paste.debian.net/43126 |
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| 12:47.55 | valdyn | cyberninja: i think you want to add MAIN_LOCAL_DOMAINS to your domainlist |
| 12:47.59 | abrotman | i realize this is probably a network architecture issue .. but why not mount A on C ? |
| 12:49.21 | cyberninja | valdyn: i changed it from that to @:localhost:dsearch;/etc/exim4/virtual can i have both settings? |
| 12:49.26 | valdyn | cyberninja: and squirrelmail just uses the sendmail command, not smtp, which is why it probably has to work |
| 12:49.34 | da78 | dutchfish: hm, ya. Im already thinking about that solution. But Im also interessted in this problem. |
| 12:49.40 | valdyn | cyberninja: well, its a list |
| 12:49.49 | da78 | It should be possible or? |
| 12:50.02 | abrotman | da78: have you tried just shfs ? instaed of throwing nfs in the mix ? |
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| 12:50.29 | cyberninja | valdyn: i thought squirrel mail was working coz its on the server and it uses 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:50.41 | da78 | abrotman: no. |
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| 12:51.02 | valdyn | cyberninja: just guessing, i dont know what it uses |
| 12:52.00 | cyberninja | valdyn: can i have MAIN_LOCAL_DOMAINS and @:localhost:dsearch;/etc/exim4/virtual in the same line or have them in two seperate lines |
| 12:52.11 | valdyn | cyberninja: same line |
| 12:52.22 | da78 | abrotman: it looks quiet easy... |
| 12:52.32 | valdyn | cyberninja: : seperates list elements I think |
| 12:52.46 | cyberninja | valdyn: ok cool |
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| 12:54.24 | dutchfish | da78, have you tried with x.x.x.x/x (rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) ? |
| 12:54.29 | valdyn | cyberninja: im confused that thunderbird would work at all, even without the last bit |
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| 12:54.48 | dutchfish | da78, on A that sis |
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| 12:56.05 | da78 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.25 | dutchfish | da78, sure but start to check with just one |
| 12:56.33 | cyberninja | valdyn: still doesnt work after i added MAIN_LOCAL_DOMAINS back in and updated the confs and restarted exim4 |
| 12:56.49 | valdyn | cyberninja: see what i said last |
| 12:56.51 | dutchfish | da78, on A first |
| 12:57.14 | cyberninja | valdyn: yeah but it does work |
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| 12:57.28 | cyberninja | valdyn: did * |
| 12:57.45 | valdyn | cyberninja: you are nowhere allowing remote hosts to use your exim4 to relay mail |
| 12:58.03 | valdyn | cyberninja: so either TLS is enabling that or its not working |
| 12:58.14 | valdyn | cyberninja: so your thunderbird is using tls ? |
| 12:58.29 | cyberninja | valdyn: yeah thunderbird is using TLS |
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| 12:59.49 | da78 | dutchfish: ok. btw sshfs works. ;-) |
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| 13:00.16 | dutchfish | da78, ok, so it can be narrowed down to nfs/ssh |
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| 13:00.57 | da78 | ya. |
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| 13:06.33 | dutchfish | da78, ow 1 more per default secure is on in nfs so you need ports below 1024, add option insecure in the xport clause, because you already have tunneled through ssh |
| 13:07.43 | cyberninja | valdyn: so if i use TLS does that mean i dont need to set Machines to relay for. coz i dont want any person usin my server to send mail only my users |
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| 13:09.07 | da78 | dutchfish: both export files contains "insecure". Now both contains "no_root_squash" and "no_subtree_check" too. But with the same result. |
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| 13:10.10 | dutchfish | da78, what is the exact error C states when manually trying to mount it? |
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| 13:11.13 | da78 | dutchfish: "mount.nfs: localhost:/opt/public/transfer failed, reason given by server: Permission denied" |
| 13:11.46 | da78 | and on server B: i have "authenticated mount request from localhost:2597 for /opt/public/transfer (/opt/public/transfer)" :-/ |
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| 13:12.07 | da78 | from server A.... |
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| 13:12.35 | dutchfish | da78, wat are the right on /opt/public on A and B? |
| 13:12.56 | dutchfish | s/right/rights |
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| 13:16.08 | da78 | dutchfish: http://paste.debian.net/43131/ -- no difference?. Ok, i'll take a break and go outside for some fresh air... I'll be back later, ok? |
| 13:16.27 | dutchfish | da78, sure |
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| 13:30.59 | jaalto | According to my git repo rsync tests, a USB FAT 32 stick wastes space by 1.7x. Thus a 4G stick can only hold 2.2G data. So the only choice is to reformat stick to ext2? How do you use USB sticks? |
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| 13:36.21 | rozie | jaalto: you can make a file and create FS on this file |
| 13:36.51 | rozie | so you can have usb with large file (2GB) |
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| 13:37.25 | rozie | and in this file you can have ext2 (with smaller block size - I guess that's the problem) |
| 13:37.36 | rozie | dd if=/dev/zero of=testimage bs=1MB count=128 |
| 13:37.47 | rozie | mkfs.reiserfs -f testimage |
| 13:37.53 | rozie | mount -o loop testimage /mnt/cdrom/ |
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| 13:38.43 | bluethundr_ | what snmp tools can i install on my debian box to make nagios aware of snmp activity? |
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| 13:39.49 | bluethundr_ | ah snmpd did the trick! |
| 13:40.06 | jaalto | rozie: The problem is the limit of 2G max filesize under FAT. I would need the whole 4G capacity. Does ext2 formatting of USB stick work reliably? |
| 13:42.17 | lastpak | i run a debian webserver and i want users to be able to sent e-mail where do i start reading...exim4?...? |
| 13:42.49 | abrotman | lastpak: can they send mail normally? |
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| 13:43.11 | abrotman | lastpak: like .. echo 'foo' | mail you@foo.com ? |
| 13:43.13 | lastpak | i never did this ....yet |
| 13:43.23 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:43.26 | rozie | jaalto: I have no idea. I use vfat for my pendrives, but large files only |
| 13:43.48 | jaalto | rozie: Ok, thanks. |
| 13:44.10 | abrotman | jaalto: it's 4GB IIRC |
| 13:44.19 | abrotman | for the fat32 max file size |
| 13:46.40 | fxiny | 2G |
| 13:46.44 | lastpak | abrotman so exim4-config should do the trick?get that done and i'm there? |
| 13:46.58 | abrotman | lastpak: if you do it correctly |
| 13:47.02 | lastpak | thanks |
| 13:47.04 | abrotman | fxiny: i think that's if you let windows format it |
| 13:47.17 | jaalto | fxiny: was there a special FS that would reduce wear of the flash drive? lffs or something? |
| 13:47.20 | fxiny | and fat only if hd <2G |
| 13:47.50 | fxiny | abrotman: yes ? i didn't know that |
| 13:47.52 | abrotman | 2 GB |
| 13:47.52 | abrotman | 4 GB with 64k clusters (not widely supported) |
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| 13:48.42 | abrotman | oh .. that's volume size |
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| 13:48.49 | abrotman | Max file size 4 GB minus 1 byte (or volume size if smaller) |
| 13:49.59 | fxiny | jaalto: i don't think so |
| 13:50.04 | jaalto | abrotman: So I need to reformat the USB using "mkdosfs -s 64 -F 32" to get max 4G file size? |
| 13:50.52 | abrotman | jaalto: i'm not sure .. when i formatted my external backup drive .. 1/2 ext3, 1/2 fat32 .. i could tar -zxf my $HOME until the .gz was over 4GB |
| 13:50.59 | fxiny | abrotman: so . windows can't write files > 2G and linux can ? |
| 13:51.02 | abrotman | and i don't remember doing anything special |
| 13:51.14 | abrotman | fxiny: i think it's the format utility .. honestly can't recall |
| 13:51.25 | abrotman | jaalto: which OS formatted the filesystem the first time ? |
| 13:51.36 | marenz_ | stop writting 32 |
| 13:51.38 | marenz_ | :D |
| 13:51.41 | marenz_ | i have a hl on that |
| 13:51.52 | jaalto | abrotman: the pendrive is stock from the shop. |
| 13:51.53 | marenz_ | (nevermind ;) |
| 13:52.16 | abrotman | jaalto: i'd just try to reformat it in linux |
| 13:52.28 | abrotman | marenz_: that's just silly |
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| 13:52.50 | jaalto | abrotman: can you run minfo (from 'mtools') package to check your fat32 characteristics that I could use? Configure /etc/mtools.conf to say "C:" and then "minfo C:" |
| 13:53.06 | marenz_ | actually, its not. Ppl came and asked about a 32bit chroot and i plan to be alerted when that happens |
| 13:53.10 | abrotman | jaalto: do i have to? i'd have to get the drive out and plug it in |
| 13:53.25 | abrotman | marenz_: why not highlight on chroot ? |
| 13:53.33 | jaalto | abrotman: Ah, it's on other machine. Ok. |
| 13:53.49 | abrotman | jaalto: no .. it's put away .. i don't leave it out |
| 13:53.51 | marenz_ | abrotman, that too |
| 13:54.04 | abrotman | marenz_: yeah .. suck it up .. |
| 13:54.12 | marenz_ | abrotman, but sometimes its just " want to compile a 32bit program on my 64bit machine" |
| 13:54.32 | abrotman | jaalto: if you really need to store large files, fat32 probably won't cut it |
| 13:54.39 | fxiny | jaalto: btw . does the Alan Cox tar trick wite faster ? |
| 13:54.45 | fxiny | write* |
| 13:55.10 | jaalto | fxiny: I tested the tar "Alan Cox" vs. rsync. No difference in time |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | rsync the first time won't be faster .. it should be faster in later runs |
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| 13:55.46 | abrotman | will say that rsyncing 50+GB takes a long time |
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| 13:56.59 | fxiny | with large files rsync is pathetic |
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| 13:57.22 | fxiny | sometimes i forget some large files in my backup dir |
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| 13:57.42 | fxiny | i just fire lftp up |
| 13:58.01 | jaalto | abrotman: Yup: The probem I'm trying to solve first is the wasted 1.7x space factor (only 2.2G fits on 4G stick; bare files). So the choices seem to be to reformat USB to large cluster (64k) + 4G loopback file. Or just format it ext2. |
| 13:58.01 | EagleScreen | if I copy a file to another filesystem type, should it conserve the same md5sum? |
| 13:58.46 | jaalto | EagleScreen: I don't wee why not. The content stays the same? |
| 13:59.06 | fxiny | must be |
| 13:59.15 | jaalto | EagleScreen: Just underlying FS attributes may be differently stores. |
| 13:59.17 | jaalto | stored |
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| 13:59.51 | EagleScreen | one copy is e543f5441654ef5257eaca94cd2b4103 03-La Vie en Rose [Richard Clayderman].mp3 |
| 13:59.52 | netsrot | Hi, my Multi_key doesnt seem to work in iceweasel when doing multi,o,a |
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| 14:00.07 | EagleScreen | and the other copy is 790e406569db9808cebb57332ae7755d 03-La Vie en Rose [Richard Clayderman].mp3 |
| 14:00.16 | jaalto | Now I remebered the special Flash FS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFFS |
| 14:00.20 | EagleScreen | second seems to be corrupted |
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| 14:01.35 | fxiny | EagleScreen: must be the same , just think when you download a file form the net |
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| 14:02.17 | EagleScreen | i have tested with other file and they have just identical md5sum :) |
| 14:02.25 | fxiny | of course |
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| 14:02.49 | jaalto | EagleScreen: [fixny] Indeed. Many files (*.iso) come with *.md5 checksum files that I have used before burning locally. |
| 14:03.24 | EagleScreen | can i obtain the md5sum of an entire folder? |
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| 14:04.37 | jaalto | EagleScreen: it's file based (data) checksum. |
| 14:04.51 | EugenMayer | are there any tools to create vhosts for lighttpd under debian? |
| 14:05.00 | zmen01 | if i have a .csv file with 1000 lines, which all look like value1;value2;value3;value4 - and i like to insert these 4 values line by line (each line is a new mysql insert) like insert into table (value1, value2, value4, value3) values ('','','','') where the 4 empty '' are the values as mentioned in the .csv file, what can i use best to accomplish this? |
| 14:05.22 | fxiny | awk or perl |
| 14:05.41 | jaalto | zmen01: write Perl or Pythong program. The simplest. Or ruby. |
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| 14:06.35 | zmen01 | i know very little python, will look up, any chance if this would be possible some way with bash? would make it easier i guess |
| 14:06.45 | fxiny | awk |
| 14:06.46 | jaalto | zmen01: Especially perl: "@array = split /;/, $line" |
| 14:06.58 | netsrot | nobody here who knows about compose key/multikey? |
| 14:07.13 | jaalto | zmen01: I wouldn't do it in bash. Awk COULD be used too. |
| 14:08.11 | jaalto | zmen01: Anyway, you need to write for-loops with awk too. Might just be easier woth perl. |
| 14:08.13 | jaalto | with |
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| 14:09.16 | jaalto | python would be much heavier for this task (OO and stuff). |
| 14:09.23 | odinsbane | any antix users here? I'm wondering if I install new software through apt, as though it were a full debian release? |
| 14:09.26 | jaalto | not to mention it's regexp handling |
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| 14:12.54 | DB42 | what's the correct depends: version fora possibility of version X OR version Y |
| 14:13.25 | odinsbane | Does the 4gig dvd image have more packages? |
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| 14:13.38 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:13.52 | DexterF | gigabit ethernet: cat5 or 5e or 6? |
| 14:13.57 | zmen01 | jaalto, ok will try python |
| 14:14.03 | DB42 | 5e+ iirc |
| 14:14.03 | fxiny | zmen01: so you want to append 4 new values all the time ? |
| 14:14.15 | zmen01 | fxiny, how do you mean? |
| 14:14.36 | fxiny | zmen01: you said this csv has 1000 lines |
| 14:15.00 | zmen01 | es |
| 14:15.02 | zmen01 | yes |
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| 14:23.04 | itsosimpo | hey guis i wanna learn asp |
| 14:24.28 | Wyzard | itsosimpo: If you mean Active Server Pages, this isn't the place for that |
| 14:24.49 | itsosimpo | oic, well what apps do i need to do that? |
| 14:24.53 | DB42 | nobody her eknows how to mess with debian control giles ? |
| 14:25.13 | abrotman | DB42: why not versoin > X ? |
| 14:25.25 | abrotman | itsosimpo: there are tons of howtos on the web .. go ask google |
| 14:25.40 | Wyzard | itsosimpo: "Officially", you need Microsoft IIS, though I think Mono may be able to run ASP.NET too |
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| 14:25.48 | abrotman | chilisoft! |
| 14:26.19 | itsosimpo | cool |
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| 14:26.56 | fxiny | abrotman: chili ? what are you cooking ? :P |
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| 14:27.18 | fxiny | bookmarks the line for enouf |
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| 14:27.41 | jaalto | zmen01: Here is quick AWK I wrote to convert CSV to SQL INSERT statements. Run with "awk -F';' -f program.awk input.csv" http://pastebin.com/m76d4fecc |
| 14:27.43 | itsosimpo | oic thanks |
| 14:28.02 | abrotman | fxiny: uhm .. if you don't remember, it's not that important .. but it is ASP related |
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| 14:28.50 | Noble | Having problems with segfault messages in dmesg. |
| 14:29.04 | Noble | Suddenly everything slows down, and the HDD r/w like crazy |
| 14:29.08 | fxiny | abrotman: ok |
| 14:29.16 | Noble | Almost impossible to move the cursor |
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| 14:30.22 | Noble | http://pastebin.org/5755 |
| 14:30.30 | Noble | I suspect pidgin is making this mess |
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| 14:30.56 | Wyzard | Noble: npviewer.bin is Flash, I believe |
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| 14:31.17 | Wyzard | Noble: well, it's nspluginwrapper, hosting Flash in this case |
| 14:31.28 | Noble | I see |
| 14:31.41 | Noble | I'll try to update it |
| 14:31.47 | Noble | Been problems with it for a while now. |
| 14:32.12 | Wyzard | Noble: but if you're getting segfaults in multiple processes -- I see npviewer, gnome-video-thumbnailer, and pidgin all mentioned here -- it's probably not a problem with any of them, as they have nothing in common |
| 14:32.21 | Noble | Strange thing is, there is noting flash'y going on in firefox when this happens. |
| 14:32.26 | Noble | bad memory? |
| 14:32.34 | Wyzard | Noble: Random problems like that are often hardware-related, like bad RAM or an overheating processor |
| 14:32.51 | Noble | I suspect my HDD is dying. |
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| 14:33.07 | Noble | Will do a memtest just to be sure |
| 14:33.39 | Wyzard | Noble: If your hard drive were going bad you'd probably see other messages in your logs, mentioning things like { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
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| 14:34.51 | Noble | I see |
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| 14:36.01 | Noble | Is there a good cpu monitoring software for debian out there? |
| 14:36.21 | abrotman | top ? |
| 14:36.33 | Wyzard | htop is a bit nicer |
| 14:36.34 | Noble | Sorry, for temps i mean |
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| 14:37.48 | zmen01 | jaalto; thanks :) |
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| 14:38.04 | dutchfish | Noble, thre is also smartmontools if you drive supports it |
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| 14:39.15 | enouf | wow .. what a friggin nightmare that was .. knoppix was using my HDD as swap, (but i didn't realize) and hdc1 (1st partition) was setup as swapspace, and i went to 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdc ...' the drive (from livecd boot) .. man, that shit locked up and started doing all sorts of pausing, stuttering, spitting, upchucking .. |
| 14:39.27 | dutchfish | Noble, a diskfailure is more likely then a memmory-failure, but dont conclude to soon .... |
| 14:39.32 | enouf | remind me to always swapoff prior! :-p |
| 14:39.43 | dutchfish | enouf, ;) |
| 14:39.48 | Noble | The disk is probably 5 years old, memory just a half |
| 14:39.49 | Noble | :P |
| 14:39.50 | enouf | now i have an ontrack bootcd doing it :-) |
| 14:40.42 | dutchfish | enouf, thats why i run that kind of stuff directly from an iso in a VM |
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| 14:41.23 | abrotman | enouf: why not just use the regular debian installer ? |
| 14:41.26 | maligor | palimpsest is a pretty nice smart gui app but it's only in experimental |
| 14:41.31 | enouf | and 2.6.11 (knoppix 3.9) doesn't have any sort of /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches yet .. heh, so ... even though i did finally get all my RAM back ... it still wouldn't respond quite the way it did, prior to the dd attempts, so, i pulled the plug on that sucker :-) |
| 14:41.35 | dutchfish | abrotman, good point |
| 14:41.52 | enouf | abrotman: i can't get any yet to boot! |
| 14:42.01 | abrotman | enouf: trying which ? |
| 14:42.04 | enouf | abrotman: this BIOS ... SUCKS! |
| 14:42.10 | enouf | abrotman: older ones .. yes |
| 14:42.15 | abrotman | yes .. /me refrains from yelling about the manuf |
| 14:42.18 | enouf | still - i will soon ;-) |
| 14:42.22 | abrotman | enouf: so no lenny ones? |
| 14:42.24 | abrotman | or kmuto? |
| 14:42.31 | abrotman | tried turning off acpi and apic ? |
| 14:42.38 | enouf | abrotman: see myu comment from last night about ICH6 and udma modes -- hehe |
| 14:42.52 | abrotman | i might have gone to bed before that |
| 14:42.54 | enouf | abrotman: 2004 era PCs vs my trusty p2 :-P |
| 14:43.06 | enouf | you did |
| 14:43.07 | abrotman | enouf: put the sata in legacy mode ? |
| 14:43.18 | enouf | your nick didn't tab complete - find the log :-) |
| 14:43.23 | enouf | abrotman: no sata |
| 14:43.29 | abrotman | oh .. icky |
| 14:43.32 | enouf | CD/DVD Drives, in udma mode2 |
| 14:43.38 | enouf | in 2004 Dells :-P |
| 14:43.47 | enouf | my 440BX does udma2 :-) |
| 14:43.51 | maligor | is there's such a thing as a non-sucky bios |
| 14:44.12 | dutchfish | enouf, i have no problem with those there is a fix for it |
| 14:44.23 | abrotman | enouf: so you haven't tried lenny yet ? |
| 14:44.23 | enouf | maligor: well, my p2 has more and better options than this Dell Precision Workstation/Server |
| 14:44.30 | opensourcer | I followed the steps in wiki page |
| 14:44.36 | abrotman | precision is not a server |
| 14:44.37 | enouf | abrotman: nope - ofcourse i will eventualy and report |
| 14:44.44 | opensourcer | after modprobe rtl8187 |
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| 14:44.47 | enouf | abrotman: shaddup@! |
| 14:44.50 | abrotman | enouf: you could use the etch bf if your NIC is supported |
| 14:44.51 | opensourcer | typing iwconfig |
| 14:45.03 | opensourcer | displays no wireless found |
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| 14:45.12 | enouf | abrotman: Server is <insert-pseudo-definition-here> |
| 14:45.16 | ultrav1olet | does anyone run kernel IPSec in Linux? |
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| 14:45.21 | opensourcer | I have NETGEAR WG111v3 USB |
| 14:45.27 | ultrav1olet | We have two offices connected via kernel IPSec and I cannot figure out what iptables rules should be |
| 14:45.29 | enouf | abrotman: the etch what? why? |
| 14:45.30 | abrotman | enouf: yes .. i understand what you mean .. but it's still not a server :) |
| 14:45.32 | abrotman | !bf |
| 14:45.33 | dpkg | [bf] Boot floppies are Debian Installer images written to floppy disks, then used to install a Debian system. Not available for Lenny, ask me about <errata>. For Etch, ask me about <etch floppies>. |
| 14:45.40 | dutchfish | enouf, sarge does work on them, and then upgrade, be aware of nic issues |
| 14:46.02 | enouf | abrotman: seems this Dell won't recognize the Toshiba DVD-ROM as udma2 even, knoppix had it in mdma mode ... ufff .. |
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| 14:46.25 | dutchfish | enouf, as i told you for those dell has firmware fixes |
| 14:46.32 | enouf | abrotman: i have tried SmartBootManager floppy (that i KNOW works) and a Grub2 Floppy -- both fail! |
| 14:46.32 | opensourcer | any one knows how to fix it |
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| 14:46.43 | enouf | i know the grub2 also works |
| 14:46.54 | opensourcer | no errors during detection of usb device |
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| 14:46.59 | abrotman | !wg111v3 |
| 14:47.00 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. RTL8187SE not supported, ask me about <rtl8187se>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
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| 14:47.00 | opensourcer | no errors during morprobe |
| 14:47.02 | enouf | the NIC is fine - thanks |
| 14:47.13 | enouf | i'm using it now ;-) |
| 14:47.28 | abrotman | enouf: it might not be fine in the etch boot floppies |
| 14:47.31 | dutchfish | enouf, no, firmware fixes for the boot issue with some models cdrom drives |
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| 14:47.41 | opensourcer | WG111v3 = TRL8187B |
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| 14:47.46 | enouf | i'm not using etch boot floppies@! |
| 14:47.51 | dutchfish | enouf, they are not AYA complient |
| 14:47.53 | opensourcer | /TRL8187B/RTL8187B |
| 14:47.57 | dutchfish | s/AYA/ATA |
| 14:47.59 | abrotman | opensourcer: so your wired NIC work ? |
| 14:48.03 | enouf | dutchfish: say "BIOS upgrade" then |
| 14:48.05 | opensourcer | yes |
| 14:48.22 | enouf | dutchfish: oH@! .. for the CD/DVD ? |
| 14:48.23 | abrotman | opensourcer: /msg dpkg bpo .. read the instructions there .. get the 2.6.30 kernel there |
| 14:48.29 | dutchfish | enouf, no cdrom firmare upgrade, you can look it up with service tag |
| 14:48.39 | dutchfish | enouf, bingo |
| 14:48.42 | opensourcer | dpkg bpo ? |
| 14:48.43 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 14:48.45 | enouf | dutchfish: guess what - my p2 came with the EXACT same make/model of the DVD-ROM drive |
| 14:48.57 | dutchfish | enouf, but not all have the same firmware |
| 14:48.59 | abrotman | !tell opensourcer about msg the bot |
| 14:49.06 | enouf | and it worked every friggin time - it dies some years back - this one was lifted out of the bin |
| 14:49.06 | dutchfish | enouf, now, go figure |
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| 14:49.24 | enouf | dutchfish: i'm pretty thorough when i troubleshoot ;-) |
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| 14:49.43 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, so you checked if you ar eon the latest firmare with cdrom/DVD? |
| 14:49.44 | enouf | dutchfish: thansk for the thoughts - you too abrotman |
| 14:49.54 | dutchfish | enouf, anytime |
| 14:50.19 | enouf | i always appreciate a lending hand/ear .. bounce shit off others and what not |
| 14:51.45 | enouf | dutchfish: BTW, i already binflashed my newer NEC DVDRW ND-3550A drive (in my p2) because it was likely a black market made drive, that does NOT like certain 'movies' .. |
| 14:51.53 | enouf | dutchfish: legal ones |
| 14:51.55 | enouf | even |
| 14:52.02 | dutchfish | enouf, bios A4 or A5? |
| 14:52.04 | enouf | it still did no good :-P |
| 14:52.10 | enouf | dutchfish: A03 |
| 14:52.26 | enouf | i haven't yet looked for an upgrade - obviously there is one ;-) |
| 14:52.32 | dutchfish | enouf, whoopi you might want to upgrade, i believe those are now at A05 or A06 |
| 14:52.49 | enouf | whoa .. cool -- /me goes to see what they did ;-) thanks man |
| 14:52.56 | dutchfish | enouf, yw |
| 14:53.05 | honschu | How to change cups to allow all clients to delete spool-jobs? |
| 14:53.05 | enouf | i'll iFlash the shit out of this sucker :P |
| 14:53.25 | enouf | honschu: maybe in /admin |
| 14:53.43 | enouf | honschu: http://localhost:631/admin that is |
| 14:54.15 | enouf | you allow perms for users - add user to proper group{s} - like 'cups' *maybe* |
| 14:54.19 | enouf | logout, login |
| 14:54.45 | honschu | enouf: enouf: But the user is another pc |
| 14:55.01 | honschu | enouf: And there the name is different printing by ipp |
| 14:55.17 | honschu | enouf: The client is a windows pc |
| 14:55.31 | enouf | oh well |
| 14:55.39 | enouf | dunno offhand then - sorry honschu |
| 14:55.40 | honschu | enouf: And this user doesn't has a acount at all on the print-server |
| 14:55.51 | honschu | enouf: It's the same from a linux machine |
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| 14:56.39 | honschu | enouf: you can only delete jobs if you are a user which is known by the host system. |
| 14:56.52 | honschu | enouf: printing works |
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| 14:59.00 | enouf | dutchfish: abrotman haha @ "The Hyperthreading feature is only present on the 1.8 GHz Xeon (Prestonia) processors and above. If the setting is not in the BIOS, then the processor doesn't have the feature." .. mine are the 1.7 ones, and yet the kernel shows the 'ht' flag, and there's no BIOS control for HT - ...but i'm still looking for any 'upgrade' to BIOS |
| 14:59.21 | enouf | http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2002-June/003037.html |
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| 15:01.06 | dutchfish | enouf, anyway to my expirience enbaling HT does not so much in performance on those early models anyway, but you can try |
| 15:01.32 | dutchfish | enouf, cpu stepping? |
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| 15:03.08 | a-s | how can I change the filename with wget?\ |
| 15:03.18 | dutchfish | enouf, and one more thing, at the top of my head they dont support HT AND p4-throthling at the same time |
| 15:03.26 | abrotman | isn't there a -o option that says what to output as ? |
| 15:03.33 | a-s | wget http://.../xxx -> I want yyy |
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| 15:03.41 | a-s | mmm |
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| 15:03.58 | Esine | a-s: wget -O outfile url |
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| 15:04.47 | a-s | -O does not work for me. |
| 15:04.53 | a-s | tried it. |
| 15:04.58 | Esine | oh?? |
| 15:05.03 | Esine | what do you mean does not work? |
| 15:06.35 | a-s | 0K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 0% 79.2K 35m54s |
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| 15:06.38 | enouf | dutchfish: seems we're up to A11 :-P http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=gen&releaseid=R88830&formatcnt=3&fileid=115829 |
| 15:06.40 | a-s | -o makes a log |
| 15:07.00 | Esine | a-s: but with the capital -O |
| 15:07.10 | enouf | dutchfish: however .. it's only showing me ... oh nm, i'll d/l the sucker and read the changelog in the stupid text file within |
| 15:07.23 | a-s | -O works :) |
| 15:07.26 | Esine | see! :) |
| 15:07.28 | enouf | HTTP Error 404 - File or directory not found. Internet Information Services (IIS) |
| 15:07.32 | enouf | :-( |
| 15:07.34 | dutchfish | enouf, good good |
| 15:07.47 | a-s | I have tried it 10 minutes ago, and I believe that I wrote -o instead of -O :) |
| 15:07.56 | a-s | now it's all right. |
| 15:07.57 | a-s | thans |
| 15:08.03 | abrotman | it now magically works :) |
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| 15:09.06 | enouf | http://ftp.us.dell.com/bios/WS530A11.exe <-- gotit ;-) |
| 15:09.21 | abrotman | now you just need windows ? |
| 15:10.03 | dutchfish | abrotman, nah dosemu will do |
| 15:10.22 | dutchfish | abrotman, at least to unpack it |
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| 15:10.30 | fxiny | enouf: !! |
| 15:11.01 | da78 | dutchfish: back again. |
| 15:11.35 | dutchfish | da78, any progress on the nfs mystery? |
| 15:11.59 | da78 | no... |
| 15:11.59 | enouf | fxiny: @@ |
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| 15:13.45 | fxiny | enouf: @@ ? playing freesbee with two knopix cd ? |
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| 15:15.17 | strog_ | i have a question |
| 15:15.29 | dutchfish | da78, some more reading on the subject (also it doe snot help much): http://www.technologyquestions.com/technology/linux/237122-nfs-export-unsupported-filesystems-e-g-nfs-re-export.html |
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| 15:15.43 | strog_ | i have a wlan mini pci in my system and when booting i get the following message |
| 15:16.30 | sepult | jediririm sana hic merak etme |
| 15:16.40 | strog_ | "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated ... [bla bla] p54pci number bla Cannot find firmware (isl3886pci)" |
| 15:16.50 | strog_ | where does debian look for the firmware? |
| 15:16.50 | abrotman | sepult: english ? |
| 15:16.56 | abrotman | /lib/firmware/ |
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| 15:17.14 | strog_ | abrotman: /lib/firmware/ <= meant for me? |
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| 15:18.53 | da78 | dutchfish: thanks. but there is a good point: There can also become trouble when writing files to the re-exported NFS |
| 15:18.57 | da78 | share, as it in it's turn has to write back to the original NFS, this |
| 15:18.59 | da78 | chain can cause a number of troubles, specially if a connection is lost |
| 15:19.00 | da78 | ups... |
| 15:19.03 | da78 | in the chain and in worst case that can cause to a complete lock down. |
| 15:19.27 | macrobat | i have aptitude-doc-en installed, is there anything in that pkg to access and read? locate shows only changelog and copyright. |
| 15:19.59 | strog_ | abrotman: was that path meant for me? |
| 15:20.00 | dutchfish | da78, if you are determined, you might better delve into other solutions then nfs for this setup, like cachfs and clusering-topics http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_30#head-a29350000cec3a460e9f2af6360324670faf14b2 |
| 15:20.00 | sepult | fuckint tax eaters! |
| 15:20.05 | abrotman | strog_: yes |
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| 15:20.13 | strog_ | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 15:20.15 | abrotman | sepult: do you have a debian question ? |
| 15:20.41 | dutchfish | da78, but the easiest solution is A -> B & A -> C |
| 15:20.45 | unomi | Hi, anyone have some hints for a person wanting to run macOS in a vm? |
| 15:20.52 | da78 | dutchfish: ya. Or sshfs. 8-) |
| 15:20.55 | sepult | abrotman: yes, is there any program for calculation of tax incomes ? |
| 15:21.02 | dutchfish | da78, at least through ssh you have proven technology |
| 15:21.18 | dutchfish | da78, sshfs suffers from other issues |
| 15:21.43 | dutchfish | da78, it depends on your needs (i would choose nfs/ssh) |
| 15:21.52 | abrotman | sepult: don't you think that would depend on your country ? |
| 15:22.14 | sepult | abrotman: isn't there anything wich covers all countrys ? |
| 15:22.28 | da78 | dutchfish: ya. Im too. (nfs/ssh: A -> B & A -> C) |
| 15:22.51 | dutchfish | da78, and nfs has at least a reasonable performance |
| 15:22.52 | abrotman | sepult: i have no idea .. try freshmeat.net |
| 15:22.55 | macrobat | maybe you can set something up in calc, sepult, or get some excel template for it |
| 15:23.04 | abrotman | unomi: #macosx ? |
| 15:23.12 | strog_ | abortman: is there a way to tell debian that it should check the firmware folder without restarting? |
| 15:23.23 | abrotman | strog_: unload the module, then reload it |
| 15:23.35 | strog_ | abortman: what are the commands? |
| 15:23.41 | abrotman | man modprobe |
| 15:23.58 | dutchfish | da78, another way to do this is going by ssl/vpn tunnels |
| 15:23.59 | strog_ | abortman: ok |
| 15:24.47 | da78 | dutchfish: hmm. |
| 15:24.55 | dutchfish | da78, nfs over ssl/vpn outperformed nfs/ssh hands down |
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| 15:25.14 | fxiny | sepult: i bet gnucash does it , not sure , just a feeling |
| 15:25.23 | da78 | dutchfish: yup, and nfs/ssh already installed. |
| 15:25.37 | sepult | fxiny: i already see it mentioned in freshmeat.net |
| 15:25.53 | sepult | fxiny: most of the progs are non-free or closed-source even |
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| 15:26.03 | fxiny | so the gods are with me today :) |
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| 15:26.26 | dutchfish | da78, at least take it step by step, this is no 1 hour job to setup, and take some versioning system like darcs or the like, and document it well |
| 15:26.38 | dutchfish | da78, good luck |
| 15:27.04 | macrobat | what do i need to read DocBook documents? |
| 15:27.22 | da78 | dutchfish: thanks for your help! |
| 15:27.29 | dutchfish | da78, yw |
| 15:28.22 | fxiny | sepult: the gods and google -> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ |
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| 15:37.04 | psycho_oreos | is there a way for apt-get to not worry about removing and installing packages? I've done apt-get install --download-only but no matter what it still insists on installing and removing extra packages |
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| 15:37.33 | fxiny | -d install |
| 15:38.40 | psycho_oreos | fxiny, cool thanks, going to give that a try.. so it'll be apt-get -d install ? |
| 15:38.44 | hugo | debootstrap installs base system only. can i make it a complete mirror of the base system? |
| 15:39.09 | fxiny | psycho_oreos: same . -s install can be handy too |
| 15:39.37 | hugo | complete copy of the system on which i run debootstrap |
| 15:39.49 | paxcoder | did anything change with authentication dialog? it used to ask me about saving the pass to the keyring and stuff, now it just remembers it. I don't want it to remember. |
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| 15:39.59 | psycho_oreos | fxiny, yeah I did apt-get install -ds before to prevent any packages from being removed, etc.. but at least now without -s I can still get a prompt to verify |
| 15:40.12 | hugo | debootstrap doesn't install passwd, for example |
| 15:40.17 | fxiny | psycho_oreos: why not aptitude ? |
| 15:40.21 | dutchfish | hugo, you want then to make a list of installed packages and set them up in phas 2 (man debootstrap) |
| 15:40.58 | flopje | does somebody know how to set up a static ip voor wlan? |
| 15:41.14 | fxiny | psycho_oreos: aptitude is more advanced |
| 15:41.30 | psycho_oreos | fxiny, aptitude via command line? I should give that a try, I tried the cli (ncurses) but I couldn't find a way to make it only download |
| 15:41.35 | dutchfish | hugo, you might also be intrested in this: http://freshmeat.net/projects/clone-debian/ |
| 15:42.12 | fxiny | psycho_oreos: yes , just cli , very good at handling dependecies |
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| 15:42.47 | hugo | dutchfish: phas2? |
| 15:43.00 | dutchfish | hugo, s/phas2/phase2 |
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| 15:43.36 | hugo | dutchfish: i think it runs phase 2, too. |
| 15:43.44 | hugo | dutchfish: it's default |
| 15:44.16 | comradekingu | !ping |
| 15:44.16 | dpkg | Yes, comradekingu, you are online. |
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| 15:44.40 | streuner | flopje: what chipset? |
| 15:45.07 | streuner | flopje: is the chipset supported (kernel)? |
| 15:45.08 | hugo | dutchfish: no deb pkg for clone-debian? |
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| 15:45.19 | dutchfish | hugo, no you can halt it on phase 2 like they do in debian live http://live.debian.net/manual/pdf/live-manual.pdf |
| 15:45.23 | psycho_oreos | fxiny, thanks, will give that a poke around :) |
| 15:45.32 | flopje | yes |
| 15:45.36 | dutchfish | hugo, then copy your own repo into it |
| 15:45.52 | dutchfish | hugo, wich you made from clone-debian |
| 15:46.14 | fxiny | psycho_oreos: np |
| 15:46.28 | flopje | streuner: RTL8187L |
| 15:46.35 | streuner | flopje: just take a look into /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples then, if you using interfaces |
| 15:46.41 | streuner | !listvals 8187 |
| 15:46.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8187' by value (7): tew424ubv3 ;; realtek ;; wg111v3 ;; rtl-wifi ;; 701sd ;; rfc2123 ;; rtl8187se. |
| 15:46.54 | dutchfish | hugo, you end up with a fresh install with the same packages as the master, but not configured yet, that is left up to your own a imagination |
| 15:46.55 | psycho_oreos | fxiny, haha thanks, its downloading right now, so I'm assuming it works.. command line was: aptitude download <pkgs> |
| 15:47.51 | dutchfish | hugo, no debs for clone-debian, but you dont need them, its only a script |
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| 15:50.27 | hugo | dutchfish: what do you mean by 'repo'? |
| 15:51.12 | dutchfish | hugo, the packages as deb files you have installed on the master pulled from an original debian repository |
| 15:51.13 | hugo | dutchfish: i'm not asking how can i install packages master debian has to debootstraped one |
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| 15:51.50 | hugo | dutchfish: ok got it |
| 15:52.07 | dutchfish | hugo, sure, but you can install anything by make clever use of .deb packages wich you inject on phase 2 of debootstrap |
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| 15:52.58 | dutchfish | hugo, does thta answer your q? |
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| 15:54.20 | hugo | dutchfish: would you give me workable command line? |
| 15:54.48 | dutchfish | hugo, its all in http://live.debian.net/manual/pdf/live-manual.pdf |
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| 15:56.28 | dutchfish | hugo, oh and its also (in short) in the manpage itself |
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| 15:57.40 | hugo | dutchfish: it doesn't copy passwd for example |
| 15:58.00 | jeffrin | how to use gnash for iceweasel |
| 15:58.59 | dutchfish | hugo, hehe of course not, and you have ot provide even more like generating unique keys for ssh and setup networking, if you want a bit-by-bit clone, that would be totally dif aproach |
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| 15:59.19 | hugo | dutchfish: well i want to have an env that's like what my host system used to be when i installed it |
| 16:00.03 | hugo | dutchfish: i got it but wanted to know what files should i copy to the root |
| 16:00.23 | dutchfish | hugo, ok, quick and dirty, bring down the master, copy everything (booted from another partition and mounted the master) too your new system, and do the changes by hand |
| 16:00.48 | dutchfish | hugo, you have to regenrate ssh keys tho |
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| 16:01.08 | darkblue_B | hi - while you are on this topic, what is the success of restiring from a big tar of the whole system, in your experience? |
| 16:01.13 | darkblue_B | restoring |
| 16:01.24 | hugo | dutchfish: harder than i thought |
| 16:01.35 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, excellent as long as the copy is made as an offline copy |
| 16:01.46 | darkblue_B | an offline copy? |
| 16:02.03 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, with the machine to backup offline |
| 16:02.16 | hugo | dutchfish: base system + identical user/group with the host would be enough for me |
| 16:02.36 | hugo | for the moment |
| 16:02.46 | dutchfish | hugo, well, thats an easy one |
| 16:02.52 | darkblue_B | I used the following recipe... http://paste.debian.net/43139/ |
| 16:03.03 | dutchfish | hugo, just pick up the files form /etc |
| 16:03.22 | darkblue_B | offline.. hmm I dont understand.. can you say that in other words? |
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| 16:03.54 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, yup, that would work, BUT rem that you have not a clone that can be used, just a backup |
| 16:04.11 | darkblue_B | dutchfish: thats why I am asking (!) |
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| 16:04.22 | darkblue_B | you cant boot from this restored image then? |
| 16:04.49 | straw | Hey. Is there a way to determine what encryption is used for the shadow file? |
| 16:05.13 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, sure but they have the same credentials, ip, networking, ssh keys and what not, you dont like that, wont you? |
| 16:05.25 | darkblue_B | ah so - thats ok! |
| 16:05.31 | darkblue_B | if I know thats the case |
| 16:05.49 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, so i consider that NOT a clone |
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| 16:05.55 | darkblue_B | so in case of catastrophic failure, this could be brought up |
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| 16:06.22 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, sure, maybe not bluntly, but yes |
| 16:06.28 | darkblue_B | (I lost a boot disk on one of two machines this week.. I backed up the other fast) |
| 16:06.36 | darkblue_B | (using this recipe) |
| 16:07.14 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, then you have enough get it back in working order (with some manual work left) but yes |
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| 16:07.31 | darkblue_B | oh gee.. manual work.. as in? |
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| 16:07.59 | oliv3 | hi, i'm trying to package a library of mine, using dh_make. I end up with .debs only containing the directories, no files in them. The debian/*.install files seem ok, I must be missing a step ? |
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| 16:08.10 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, repartition the new machine (when the old one is in heaven), maybe it has other hardware etc |
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| 16:08.40 | darkblue_B | dutchfish: right.. ok, very reasonable.. thanks for your practical insight dutchfish |
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| 16:08.48 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, yw |
| 16:09.27 | borman | hi people! I'm interested in mount automatically the usb devices when plug them |
| 16:09.38 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, and udev tweaks ;) |
| 16:09.44 | darkblue_B | ??! |
| 16:09.53 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, because of the changed mac address |
| 16:10.05 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, but those are all minors |
| 16:10.23 | themill | dpkg: tell borman about automount |
| 16:10.25 | darkblue_B | ok - so I could boot the *same* machine on a livedvd, with a new boot disk, unroll this tar, and then bot on it |
| 16:10.27 | darkblue_B | boot |
| 16:10.40 | darkblue_B | tell me that is so... |
| 16:10.52 | dutchfish | !z25 |
| 16:10.53 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 16:11.38 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, if you prepare it like desribed in debian-live, sure |
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| 16:12.08 | darkblue_B | ok, I will consider it backed up then |
| 16:12.24 | macrobat | how do i read DocBook xml files? |
| 16:12.37 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, yep, i hate it to be vague, hence all my considerations, preventing a disaster |
| 16:12.48 | darkblue_B | btw /basedata is a big, 2nd drive, mounted at root.. if that wasnt said before |
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| 16:14.23 | KeiKurono | i'm not satisfied with the font quality on iceweasel.. can i improve it someway? |
| 16:14.31 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, that would not be a problem, but of coarse you have to replay that initial setup ie /etc/fstab the right way |
| 16:15.01 | darkblue_B | ok - good point |
| 16:15.18 | darkblue_B | but.. /etc/fstab is part of the backup |
| 16:15.25 | darkblue_B | so it will be restored |
| 16:15.31 | darkblue_B | all of /etc |
| 16:15.43 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, and that backup you can cherry-pick out what ever you like ;) |
| 16:16.05 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, yes |
| 16:16.24 | darkblue_B | i guess.. I poked at the default 'archive manager' for a moment, but it seemed to choke on such a big tar |
| 16:16.32 | dutchfish | darkblue_B, but you cant restore to a mount wich isnt mounted yet ;) |
| 16:16.46 | darkblue_B | good.. ok |
| 16:16.51 | darkblue_B | I think I can handle that |
| 16:17.42 | icedwater | Anyone on Lenny managed to get gnome-do 0.8 working? |
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| 16:19.26 | FailPowah | hi, i seem to have a problem with my apt-get lists, every source seems to be untrusted |
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| 16:20.37 | FailPowah | apt-get install generates this error/warning: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
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| 16:22.01 | zmen01 | how can I replace all instances in a file of ' for \' again? |
| 16:22.05 | zmen01 | with bash |
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| 16:22.15 | dutchfish | FailPowah, have you installed debian-keyring ? |
| 16:22.45 | FailPowah | dutchfish: dunno, how to check?= |
| 16:23.01 | dutchfish | FailPowah, dpkg -l | grep debian-keyring |
| 16:23.24 | FailPowah | just returns prompt |
| 16:23.38 | dutchfish | FailPowah, then aptitude install debian-keyring |
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| 16:25.17 | FailPowah | apt-get update gives: W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B NO_PUBKEY 4D270D06F42584E6 |
| 16:25.28 | themill | debian-archive-keyring, not debian-keyring |
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| 16:25.51 | themill | FailPowah: you should also replace "stable" with "lenny" in your sources.list. /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
| 16:25.56 | dutchfish | themill, oops, thanks for warning, yes |
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| 16:26.16 | themill | dpkg: tell FailPowah about new archive key |
| 16:26.45 | DB42 | what's the correct depends: version fora possibility of version X OR version Y |
| 16:26.46 | KeiKurono | themill, isn't stable == lenny ? |
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| 16:27.04 | themill | KeiKurono: only at the moment. Wait 12 or so months and it won't be. Then what happens to your machine? |
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| 16:27.36 | Wyzard | DB42: Probably Depends: foo (= 1.2.3) | foo (= 4.5.6) |
| 16:27.44 | KeiKurono | themill, i see |
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| 16:28.03 | DB42 | Wyzard, a. where can i see for sure b. if i have depends with other stuff besides this or ? |
| 16:28.23 | ajavid | good morning |
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| 16:28.45 | FailPowah | oki, that seems to fixed it, thanks |
| 16:29.23 | Wyzard | DB42: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
| 16:29.31 | DB42 | thansk ! was looking for it |
| 16:30.14 | Wyzard | DB42: If you go to debian.org and click the "developers' corner" link in the navigation box on the left side, there are links to a bunch of documents there, including the policy manual |
| 16:30.47 | DB42 | well thats not intutive :) |
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| 16:31.13 | ajavid | what? |
| 16:31.16 | ajavid | debian.org/devel |
| 16:31.20 | ajavid | piece o cake |
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| 16:31.36 | DB42 | i'm using DPKG/APT on the iphone :) |
| 16:31.37 | ajavid | big bright blue button in a red bar |
| 16:31.41 | ajavid | oh |
| 16:31.49 | ajavid | iphone fad |
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| 16:32.39 | DB42 | heh |
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| 16:34.01 | ajavid | !iphone |
| 16:34.02 | dpkg | from memory, iphone is a phone made by Apple and can be used to browse http://debian.org |
| 16:34.06 | ajavid | lol |
| 16:34.12 | DB42 | rofl |
| 16:34.12 | amphi | heh |
| 16:34.23 | DB42 | and thanks to saurik, you can use APT on it |
| 16:34.23 | ajavid | amphi, ! |
| 16:34.28 | ajavid | hi bud |
| 16:34.31 | ajavid | pin |
| 16:34.31 | nollidj | okay, i need to learn something about how 32-bit libraries now work. is there some guide to ia32-apt-get and how either to dump it or use it properly |
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| 16:34.43 | amphi | ajavid! can it really be you?! |
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| 16:35.14 | nollidj | (i was happy installing the separate 32-bit library packages, but now i can't because ia32-libs conflicts with everything) |
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| 16:35.56 | ajavid | amphi, it can! |
| 16:36.01 | ajavid | amphi, I have yet to get a moron |
| 16:36.09 | ajavid | one day... soon. |
| 16:36.14 | amphi | you must yearn for it tragically |
| 16:36.23 | ajavid | you've no idea, I long for a moron |
| 16:36.32 | ajavid | often times I just sit there |
| 16:36.34 | ajavid | and yearn. |
| 16:36.40 | amphi | I have not heard of there being any shortage |
| 16:36.41 | ajavid | do you ever yearn? |
| 16:36.47 | ajavid | I yearn. |
| 16:37.13 | amphi | frequently - only some minutes ago, I yearned for sobrasada, and luckily, some was to hand |
| 16:37.30 | ajavid | Ahh, capital. |
| 16:37.43 | amphi | 'capital', heh |
| 16:37.45 | ajavid | :) |
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| 16:39.07 | ajavid | amphi, could you do the quote again? |
| 16:39.14 | ajavid | amphi, I can't seem to make the quote work |
| 16:39.26 | KeiKurono | i'm not satisfied with the font quality on iceweasel.. can i improve it someway? |
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| 16:39.45 | ajavid | KeiKurono, how not satisfied? you got a screenshot? |
| 16:39.49 | nollidj | !ia32-apt-get |
| 16:39.53 | ajavid | KeiKurono, not anti-aliased fonts? |
| 16:40.00 | ajavid | KeiKurono, font sizes are bad? what? |
| 16:40.03 | KeiKurono | ajavid, i see blurred |
| 16:40.10 | KeiKurono | slightly |
| 16:40.18 | ajavid | so no AA I'm guessing |
| 16:40.22 | nollidj | anyone willing to give pointers on how to get installation of 32-bit libraries working again? |
| 16:40.25 | ajavid | KeiKurono, gnome or kde? |
| 16:40.28 | KeiKurono | ajavid, gnome |
| 16:40.42 | ajavid | KeiKurono, I don't use gnome, but try gnome-control-center and go to fonts and enable anti aliased fonts |
| 16:40.43 | nollidj | if i do ia32-apt-get install libasound2, it exits because libasound2 is already installed |
| 16:40.52 | ajavid | KeiKurono, also dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 16:40.55 | KeiKurono | ajavid, thanks |
| 16:41.09 | ajavid | KeiKurono, enable Always, and auto hinter |
| 16:41.28 | nollidj | if i do apt-get install ia32-libasound2, i cannot go through with the installation because of massive conflicts between existing 32-bit libs and ia32-libs |
| 16:41.35 | nollidj | (which ia32-libasound2 depends on) |
| 16:41.36 | KeiKurono | bitmapped for default to no ? |
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| 16:42.16 | ajavid | KeiKurono, enable bigmap to get more gtk fonts show up in selection |
| 16:42.16 | ajavid | KeiKurono, keep bitmap off to see only ttf fonts |
| 16:42.17 | ajavid | KeiKurono, either is fine |
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| 16:42.41 | Wyzard | bitmapped fonts aren't anti-aliased |
| 16:42.47 | maligor | nollidj, lib32asound2? |
| 16:43.09 | ajavid | Wyzard, yup, on or off, either is fine |
| 16:43.21 | ajavid | (makes no diff) |
| 16:43.22 | nollidj | maligor: sorry, yes |
| 16:43.35 | nollidj | getting a bit mixed up with all the prefixes and suffixes |
| 16:43.39 | no_maam | is there a simple shell command, which displas the username for a given uid? |
| 16:43.42 | Wyzard | Well, it makes a difference if you don't want to see ugly jagged fonts :-) |
| 16:43.51 | no_maam | like id does the reverse thing |
| 16:43.56 | ajavid | Wyzard, why would you? |
| 16:43.57 | m_dige | Hi guys. I need a bit of advice on RAID. I am going to restore my server tonight, with a screwed up /var partition. No RAID is currently running but I want a RAID 1 setup. Have I have to restore the server tonigt and only have one disk |
| 16:43.58 | maligor | nollidj, yeah, the sid state is a bit annoying |
| 16:44.06 | maligor | nollidj, and the whole ia32-apt-get mess |
| 16:44.08 | ajavid | Wyzard, enabling bitmapped fonts will not cause ugly jagged fonts |
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| 16:44.35 | Wyzard | ajavid: It will if any text is actually displayed in a bitmapped font |
| 16:44.51 | KeiKurono | actually can't find font section in gnome control center :/ |
| 16:44.54 | Wyzard | ajavid: ("ugly jagged" == "not antialiased") |
| 16:45.01 | ajavid | Wyzard, oh |
| 16:45.17 | ajavid | I am using Alwyas and auto hinter and enable bitmap, I use 'clean' font everywhere |
| 16:45.21 | ajavid | its fully beautiful |
| 16:45.24 | m_dige | can i setup RAID 1 and the just have it running with one disk until the additional disk arrives? I will not be raid 1 I know. It is simply to prepare the server RAID 1 |
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| 16:45.36 | ajavid | I don't see how enablin bitmap fonts will do that, it does't do it here |
| 16:45.37 | Wyzard | m_dige: Yes, that should work fine |
| 16:45.42 | ajavid | I don't get it Wyzard |
| 16:45.45 | ajavid | :/ |
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| 16:46.09 | ajavid | what am i overlooking |
| 16:46.23 | Wyzard | ajavid: If you enable bitmap fonts, they might be used for displaying text in some cases (that's the point of enabling them), and bitmapped fonts are never anti-aliased |
| 16:46.26 | m_dige | Wyzard: Cool. So when the extra disk arrives I just use the same partition layout. |
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| 16:46.39 | ajavid | I see |
| 16:46.41 | ajavid | makes sense now |
| 16:46.42 | ajavid | thanks |
| 16:46.44 | m_dige | Wyzard: then plugin the disk at add it to the RAID setup |
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| 16:47.47 | Wyzard | m_dige: yes, IIRC you'll need to first add the new disk to the existing 1-disk array as a spare, then "mdadm --grow -n2" the array |
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| 16:48.05 | KeiKurono | ajavid, i found fonts in appareance but no Anti alias option there |
| 16:48.17 | Wyzard | m_dige: at which point the new disk will become a regular member of the array (rather than a spare), and syncing will begin |
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| 16:48.50 | m_dige | Wyzard: So I don't even have to partition the second disk. I just simply add it and mdm will partition the drive and so on? |
| 16:48.56 | nollidj | maligor: any web pages or other docs (mailing list archives...?) that might help troubleshoot the mess? |
| 16:49.08 | maligor | nollidj, haven't found |
| 16:49.10 | nollidj | i've been diving for them off and on for a while now, without anything to show for it |
| 16:49.11 | Wyzard | m_dige: well, do you plan to use whole disks or partitions as the components in your array? |
| 16:49.28 | Wyzard | m_dige: mdadm doesn't know anything about partitions |
| 16:49.31 | maligor | nollidj, no documents and weird issues is the reason people use sid, mhm :P |
| 16:49.35 | nollidj | hmn. do you think a bug for ia32-apt-get along the lines of "this is utterly broken and doesn't even have a manpage, what were you thinking?" would work? |
| 16:49.35 | lagenar | is it posible to install debian testing directly or first I have to install stable and then upgrade? |
| 16:49.48 | maligor | nollidj, ia32-apt-get is a fantastic idea in general tho |
| 16:49.52 | nollidj | well, sure |
| 16:50.04 | nollidj | except it's broken |
| 16:50.13 | maligor | well, yes, pretty much |
| 16:50.20 | m_dige | Wyzard: Well the idea was to make a full RAID mirror of all partions of the server |
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| 16:50.24 | debsan | lagenar, you can install testing directly from a dvd, CD or netinstall |
| 16:50.40 | maligor | nollidj, if you ask me, it should be in experimental :P |
| 16:50.47 | themill | nollidj: are you running the lastest version of it? |
| 16:50.48 | nollidj | yeah |
| 16:50.51 | lagenar | thanks! |
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| 16:51.12 | nollidj | i've got cronjobs keeping me up-to-date, so unless there was something in the last 12 hours... |
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| 16:51.21 | nollidj | oh, there are some new versions of apt |
| 16:51.22 | nollidj | let's see |
| 16:51.36 | nollidj | dependencies for a full-upgrade are busted |
| 16:51.37 | nollidj | yee-ha |
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| 16:51.49 | nollidj | so, yeah, i guess i have the latest version (that i can install) |
| 16:52.52 | Wyzard | m_dige: You can use whole devices like /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as components in a raid array, or you can use partitions like /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 |
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| 16:53.20 | Wyzard | m_dige: The latter option is more typical, I think |
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| 16:54.06 | Wyzard | m_dige: If you do that, your first disk will be partitioned already, and when you get the second one, you'll partition it the same way, and then mdadm --add the partition to the array |
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| 16:54.50 | m_dige | Wyzard: Okay. Thank you for your answers - much appreciated |
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| 16:55.53 | Wyzard | m_dige: If you want to have multiple partitions *within* your array, use LVM |
| 16:56.22 | Wyzard | m_dige: (I think the Linux software RAID subsystem does have some sort of support for actual partition tables on arrays, but LVM is more flexible) |
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| 16:56.59 | m_dige | Wyzard: My intent was also to use LVM on top of the RAID array |
| 16:57.21 | pipeline | m_dige: you *can* partition an md device but there is a reason you are not supposed to. Unfortunately I don't remember what that reason is. |
| 16:57.46 | m_dige | pipeline: okay:) |
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| 16:58.25 | YiamiYo | hi... |
| 16:58.53 | YiamiYo | what package i have to install to have internet via my wifi usb card? |
| 16:58.55 | m_dige | Wyzard: What are your experiences with having "/" on a LVM partition? Some recommend it - others don't |
| 16:59.05 | Wyzard | pipeline: As a guess, if the array is made of whole disks (not partitions) and it begins with a partition table, that means the partition table is at the beginning of the disk and it might be mistaken for an ordinary partitioned disk, not a component of a RAID array |
| 16:59.34 | Wyzard | m_dige: works fine for me... I'm using root-on-LVM-on-crypto-on-raid here |
| 16:59.47 | Wyzard | m_dige: with a separate small plain partition for /boot |
| 17:00.28 | m_dige | Wyzard: okay. So boot is not part of LVM. That because LVM drivers are not loaded before boot is right? |
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| 17:00.32 | nollidj | so, does someone on unstable have lib32asound2 installed right now? |
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| 17:00.58 | Wyzard | m_dige: Yes, though I've read that grub2 actually does support LVM |
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| 17:02.30 | m_dige | Wyzard: okay. Think I will make a raid array with two partions. One for /boot and one for LVM. LVM will then contain all other partions of the server |
| 17:02.59 | lagenar | what program I could use to recover a recently deleted file? |
| 17:03.21 | nan8 | i am trying hard to find the reason for gnome logout hanging for around 2 minutes before logout (debian/lenny) - any suggestions? |
| 17:03.28 | Wyzard | m_dige: That sounds like you're talking about putting partitions within an array |
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| 17:03.49 | nan8 | (it seems there was a bug in acpid - but this was fixed) |
| 17:03.51 | Wyzard | m_dige: It'd be better to make two plain partitions on the disk, one of which is /boot and the other is part of the RAID |
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| 17:04.51 | Wyzard | m_dige: On the other disk, that first small partition would just be unused space, and the second partition would be the other component of the RAID array |
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| 17:05.07 | m_dige | Wyzard: okay. And then LVM on top of the RAID partion |
| 17:05.16 | m_dige | Wyzard: partion = partition |
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| 17:05.51 | Wyzard | yep |
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| 17:06.17 | KeiKurono | the best audio plugin (not totem!) for iceweasel-firefox ? |
| 17:06.17 | m_dige | Wyzard: Okay - thanks again |
| 17:06.30 | Wyzard | I'd suggest 100MB for /boot -- 50MB is fine most of the time but I've had issues with running out of space when more than 2 or 3 kernels are installed (which is occasionally useful, or needed temporarily during an upgrade) |
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| 17:07.41 | nollidj | oh, ffs |
| 17:07.51 | m_dige | Wyzard: I always use a 100Mb for /boot. Used to use gentoo where new kernel compilation occured quiet frequent |
| 17:07.55 | nollidj | ia32-apt-get update has to be called separately from apt-get update? |
| 17:08.00 | nollidj | man, some documentation would be *really* nice |
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| 17:08.29 | KeiKurono | nevermind |
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| 17:11.42 | flopje | streuner: which script do i need? |
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| 17:13.55 | YiamiYo | what driver i need for my usb wifi card netgear wg111v3 |
| 17:13.58 | YiamiYo | ? |
| 17:14.30 | flopje | yiamiYo: do you have a install cd? |
| 17:14.56 | YiamiYo | yeah |
| 17:15.22 | LV-426_ | any way as a normal user to kill a child process running as root via setuid ? |
| 17:16.10 | flopje | yiamiYo: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/wifi-card-netgear-wg111v3-usb2.0-in-debian-4.0-615300/ |
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| 17:17.03 | KeiKurono | i can't hear nothing but sound modules are loaded and no errors is returned opening .mp3 with vlc |
| 17:18.09 | YiamiYo | flopje, at my ubuntu i didn't install ndiswrapper..it auto recognized it.. |
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| 17:20.55 | flopje | YiamiYo: you can try it with nm-applet, i had the same problem with my alfa card. And now it works |
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| 17:21.36 | Titan8990 | YiamiYo, ndiswrapper is for non-compatibile hardware |
| 17:22.46 | YiamiYo | i know...but it must be compatible since i use it at my ubuntu without ndiswrapper.. |
| 17:23.05 | fatalerrors | what is the maximum filesize with ext3? |
| 17:23.09 | fatalerrors | i need to recover a 320Go drive using ddrescue |
| 17:23.10 | fefo | 2TB |
| 17:23.13 | fatalerrors | so is a 320Go image file will be accepted with ext3 |
| 17:23.14 | fefo | afaik |
| 17:23.17 | fatalerrors | to be precise |
| 17:23.42 | YiamiYo | http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_part.php?brandname=Netgear |
| 17:23.43 | fefo | anyway try to google it, i would say it is first link |
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| 17:24.01 | YiamiYo | it has a link for wg111v3 but its ftp and it needs username/password |
| 17:24.18 | fatalerrors | fefo: 2TB is my answer? |
| 17:24.34 | fefo | it depends |
| 17:24.40 | fefo | what is block size ? |
| 17:24.49 | fefo | if 8kb then yes |
| 17:24.54 | fefo | 2tb |
| 17:25.09 | fatalerrors | fefo: i don't know the hard drive is not formated yet |
| 17:25.23 | fatalerrors | it's 1.5 To drive |
| 17:25.25 | fefo | so its up to you |
| 17:25.56 | fefo | set up the right block size when you are creating fs on it |
| 17:26.00 | fatalerrors | fefo: i will have a source code repo |
| 17:26.11 | fatalerrors | with many build dir |
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| 17:26.47 | fatalerrors | so the minimum block size i can have with ext3 on a 1.5To drive will be the best |
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| 17:27.16 | fatalerrors | this drive will on a file and ftp server |
| 17:27.20 | fefo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 17:27.39 | fefo | you can look which block size is related to how large file |
| 17:28.00 | nan8 | what a crap - cant find the reason |
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| 17:28.29 | fefo | nan8: any automount devices ? |
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| 17:28.41 | fatalerrors | fefo: great thanks... the 320Go file will be the only very big file and will be erased once data will be recovered |
| 17:28.49 | fefo | so 4kb |
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| 17:29.04 | fatalerrors | i need a good block size for many little file |
| 17:29.07 | fefo | http://linux.die.net/man/8/mkfs.ext3 |
| 17:29.22 | fatalerrors | source code and object file so |
| 17:29.24 | nan8 | fefo: no |
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| 17:30.05 | fatalerrors | i don't know if 4kb is possible on 1.5To drive |
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| 17:30.19 | valdyn | fatalerrors: sure, why not? |
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| 17:31.21 | fatalerrors | i'm not specialist but with some other filesystem there upper and lower limits on block size depending on the size of the drive |
| 17:31.37 | Hasanibrahim | hello all friends, i couldn't install printer driver, how can i do it ? :( |
| 17:31.49 | axelis | Hello guys , I tried Virtualbox ,didnt liked it and so i removed it . However i have noticed that every time i shutdown/restart debian i see a message regarding "VirtualBox Kernel module". Back when i wanted to install VirtualBox i had to issue a "modprobe vboxdrv" , now i am trying to do a "modprobe -r vboxdrv" but it cant find the module to remove it , any ideas whats going on and i keep seeing this message ? thank you. |
| 17:31.57 | valdyn | fatalerrors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Size_limits |
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| 17:32.28 | fatalerrors | Hasanibrahim: a bit more information will be good if you want we help |
| 17:32.41 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 17:32.42 | dpkg | somebody said cups setup was "aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>. |
| 17:32.56 | fatalerrors | valdyn: humm that's look good |
| 17:33.06 | Hasanibrahim | i have a samsung scx-4100 printer |
| 17:33.20 | fatalerrors | valdyn: did i forget ext3 is a very good fs ;) |
| 17:33.31 | Hasanibrahim | fatalerrors: when i connect with usb to my laptop, there was no available driver |
| 17:33.36 | Hasanibrahim | so what can i do :( |
| 17:34.17 | nan8 | i think i will kick gnome now |
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| 17:34.37 | fatalerrors | Hasanibrahim: check on constructor website... i don't know for samsung but many constructor give the filter in deb format |
| 17:35.07 | rozie | Hasanibrahim: linuxprinting.org |
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| 17:36.08 | fatalerrors | rozie: right i forget this one... |
| 17:36.10 | Hasanibrahim | rozie: i have no time to read cause i must print a file until 9:00 |
| 17:36.25 | jelly-home | judd: versions ipmasq |
| 17:36.26 | judd | jelly-home: ipmasq -- etch: 4.0.8-2 lenny: 4.0.8-7 sid: 4.0.8-7 squeeze: 4.0.8-7 |
| 17:36.27 | AndyL | what package contains the iostat program? |
| 17:36.30 | Hasanibrahim | so i need an emergency solving :( |
| 17:36.35 | rebgil | Hi, I'm having problems upgrading from etch to lenny, I am getting libdigest-sha1-perl: Depends: perl (>= 5.10.0-9) but 5.8.8-7etch6 is installed - suggestions? |
| 17:37.10 | rozie | Hasanibrahim: print somewhere else |
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| 17:37.55 | Hasanibrahim | rozie: thank you foryour great idea |
| 17:38.10 | rozie | rebgil: are you upgradeing exactly as stayed in release notes |
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| 17:38.44 | rebgil | rozie: probably not, where should I look, sorry i'm green |
| 17:38.54 | slime | i need help connecting to wifi |
| 17:39.07 | rozie | www.debian.org, release notes for lenny |
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| 17:39.12 | fatalerrors | valdyn: i'd like to have a 2kiB (wich is good for source code) block size but it can't accept 320Go temporary file (for recovering deficient hdd)... if i set a 4kiB block size can I change it once mydata are recovered to a 2kiB size WITHOUT data loss? |
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| 17:39.22 | rozie | upgrade from previous version is described pretty well |
| 17:39.48 | rozie | slime: we are with you |
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| 17:43.39 | nan8 | it seems netork manager is somehow the culprit |
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| 17:44.01 | slime | hello |
| 17:44.20 | slime | can someone help me connecting to wifi |
| 17:44.35 | slime | i am having troubles |
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| 17:44.49 | zleap | i think you can use iwconfig |
| 17:44.52 | slime | i already asked for help on #linux but they werend able to help |
| 17:44.54 | rebgil | rozie: I'm getting perl: warning: Setting locale failed - my LANG= "en_US.UTF-8" |
| 17:44.57 | zleap | which is the wireless equivelent of ifconfig |
| 17:45.11 | KeiKurono | how can't i hear nothing even if sound modules are set on , have alsa installed and no errors are returned? |
| 17:45.24 | rozie | rebgil: it's just locale, you can ignore it now |
| 17:45.28 | slime | zleap i think i treid everyting |
| 17:45.35 | fefo | fatalerrors: no it doesnt |
| 17:45.42 | slime | theres some problem going on |
| 17:45.44 | rozie | slime: what's your problem? |
| 17:45.54 | slime | i don't know, thats teh problem |
| 17:46.17 | rebgil | rozie: how can I fix the locale error? |
| 17:46.22 | fefo | fatalerrors: only the tool like mkfs.ext3 are using hard drive size to determine maximum block size |
| 17:46.34 | rozie | slime: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 17:46.45 | rozie | rebgil: dpkg-reconfigure locale(s) |
| 17:46.48 | Ergo^ | is there any current problem with debian testing |
| 17:46.59 | slime | i love the sarcasm.. |
| 17:47.01 | fatalerrors | fefo: ok elsewhere there's ext4fs that can do it but i never used it |
| 17:47.09 | Ergo^ | install breaks at some point in vbox |
| 17:47.12 | cahoot | KeiKurono: basic sound is best tested with: speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 17:47.14 | nan8 | hmm - if i first disconnect from the network logout works - if i am still connected logout hangs |
| 17:47.17 | DB42 | Wyzard, can i do Depends: ver (= 1.2.*) ? |
| 17:47.32 | fatalerrors | and extent support is a very good enhancement |
| 17:47.32 | fefo | fatalerrors: DO NOT USE ext4 |
| 17:47.37 | rozie | slime: gimme details or root access |
| 17:47.39 | fefo | fatalerrors: it really sucks ;) |
| 17:47.39 | rozie | ;) |
| 17:47.41 | rebgil | I tried rozie: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 17:47.46 | Ergo^ | fefo: why ? |
| 17:47.49 | slime | But really, I already installed the drivers, everything, i spent an hour and a half trying to fix it |
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| 17:48.01 | slime | what details do you want |
| 17:48.01 | fatalerrors | fefo: why? not safe or stable enough? |
| 17:48.01 | KeiKurono | cahoot, thx |
| 17:48.04 | fefo | Ergo^: its good for workstation |
| 17:48.05 | rozie | rebgil: just do exactly as in release notes, OK? |
| 17:48.07 | fefo | not for server |
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| 17:48.18 | fefo | yes, i had still some issues when i was trying it |
| 17:48.21 | Ergo^ | fefo: good im using it on workstation :D |
| 17:48.43 | rozie | slime: what are you doing? |
| 17:48.50 | slime | why do you want root if its not connected to the internet |
| 17:48.53 | KeiKurono | cahoot, can't hear nothing using that command |
| 17:48.54 | fatalerrors | fefo: what's the problem with server? |
| 17:48.56 | fefo | fatalerrors: xfs, ext3fs, reiser(not recommended too), jfs(maybe, but i havent test it so much yet) |
| 17:49.12 | fefo | fatalerrors: none right now ;) |
| 17:49.15 | cahoot | KeiKurono: what does cat /proc/asound/cards return? |
| 17:49.16 | slime | im trying to connect to my wifi |
| 17:49.19 | fefo | after changing to xfs |
| 17:49.20 | fefo | ;) |
| 17:49.26 | rozie | cause I'd check what's wrong? |
| 17:49.35 | slime | its not connected to the internet |
| 17:49.41 | flopje | slime: card name? |
| 17:49.49 | KeiKurono | cahoot, 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel |
| 17:49.49 | geeree | I want to arrange it so that Fetchmail starts running every time I log into my Lenny machine. How can I do that? |
| 17:49.50 | KeiKurono | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.54 | slime | Broadcom 4318 airforce |
| 17:49.56 | rozie | slime: you are trying to connect. that's great |
| 17:50.01 | slime | i already have the drivers |
| 17:50.02 | fefo | fatalerrors: it is still experimental |
| 17:50.15 | cahoot | KeiKurono: ok try (as root) /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 17:50.18 | fefo | and what is experimental it is not good for production |
| 17:50.30 | rozie | you have the drivers! wonderful |
| 17:50.38 | rozie | are they working? |
| 17:50.39 | fefo | but you can try, maybe only i had problems |
| 17:50.48 | fefo | i like xfs |
| 17:50.51 | fatalerrors | extents is a very good feature, so if xfs support it and if i can have a 320Go file with kiB block size on a 1.5To drive that's all i want to know |
| 17:50.54 | KeiKurono | cahoot, done |
| 17:51.04 | fatalerrors | and relaible enough for a server |
| 17:51.11 | cahoot | KeiKurono: and speaker-test -t wav -c2? |
| 17:51.29 | KeiKurono | cahoot, can't hear nothing again |
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| 17:51.43 | cahoot | KeiKurono: external speakers? |
| 17:51.45 | fatalerrors | fefo: you see... that's simple ;p |
| 17:51.51 | slime | yes rozie i think so |
| 17:51.53 | KeiKurono | cahoot, sorry |
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| 17:52.00 | cahoot | ? |
| 17:52.01 | KeiKurono | cahoot, thank you man |
| 17:52.19 | KeiKurono | cahoot, i had the speaker master volume to low level :( |
| 17:52.31 | cahoot | ok |
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| 17:53.29 | nvz | is there some way I can output the audio from a simple curses client like cplay to icecast on localhost? |
| 17:53.39 | geeree | Where should I put scripts that I'd like to run automatically every time I log in? |
| 17:54.02 | geeree | .xinitrc will tie things up with X and .bashrc will run those script every time I spawn a new shell. |
| 17:54.22 | Titan8990 | geeree, you can use cron, .xinitrc, or the session manager for your desktop envirnment |
| 17:54.25 | geeree | I want some scripts to run exactly *once* immediately after I log in. |
| 17:54.55 | Titan8990 | geeree, the easiest method is to use the session manager of your DE |
| 17:55.09 | geeree | Thanks Titan8990. I use Gnome. But I wouldn't want to tie things up with X or the desktop environment. |
| 17:55.45 | Titan8990 | geeree, ehh, so you log in to a tty and startx and you want the programs to start prior to starting x? |
| 17:55.56 | Titan8990 | or scripts |
| 17:56.00 | geeree | Titan8990: Yes. |
| 17:56.23 | Titan8990 | geeree, may I ask what these do? any reason not to put them as a part of the default runlevel? |
| 17:57.05 | nan8 | okay found it: the network config on that system was broken - no loopback interface |
| 17:57.28 | opensourcer | For RTL8187B chipset support, install a backported kernel image from Debian Backports. Restart your system with this kernel before continuing |
| 17:57.32 | opensourcer | what does it mean |
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| 17:57.49 | geeree | Well ... the script is really trivial right now. It just runs the Fetchmail daemon. |
| 17:58.07 | geeree | And I would want to check e-mail even without X. |
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| 17:58.26 | Titan8990 | geeree, imo, it should startup at default run level |
| 18:00.06 | geeree | Titan8990: Thanks. So you mean I should put the script in /etc/init.d and include a link in the rc*.d directories? |
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| 18:00.34 | opensourcer | For RTL8187B chipset support, install a backported kernel image from Debian Backports. Restart your system with this kernel before continuing, some one please help me on this |
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| 18:00.58 | rozie | geeree: you want to start them at machine startup, or when do you log in? these are different things |
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| 18:01.28 | Wyzard | fefo: ext4 is not "still experimental" |
| 18:01.36 | YiamiYo | scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/root/ndiswrapper-1.49/driver/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop. |
| 18:01.41 | YiamiYo | what i have to do? |
| 18:01.41 | Titan8990 | geeree, yep |
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| 18:01.50 | Wyzard | fefo: hasn't been since 2.6.28 |
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| 18:02.07 | geeree | Titan8990: Hmm. I'll try that now. |
| 18:02.09 | Titan8990 | geeree, in /etc/ini.d there is an init script called "skeleton" |
| 18:02.20 | Titan8990 | geeree, put your script inside of that wrapper |
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| 18:02.56 | Titan8990 | geeree, well, leave that file there and copy it over: cp /etc/ini.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/fetchmail |
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| 18:03.30 | geeree | Titan8990: I get it. This is good. :-) |
| 18:03.31 | YiamiYo | plz guys...i need it fast...:S |
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| 18:04.55 | Titan8990 | YiamiYo, i though you were using an alfa |
| 18:05.00 | YiamiYo | ? |
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| 18:05.22 | Titan8990 | YiamiYo, alfa wireless card |
| 18:05.36 | YiamiYo | netgear wg111v3 |
| 18:05.47 | Titan8990 | chipset? |
| 18:05.52 | icedwater | Which tools would you guys recommend to erase/write CDRWs on Lenny? |
| 18:05.54 | YiamiYo | i don't know...:S |
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| 18:06.03 | rozie | icedwater: k3b |
| 18:06.07 | langzeitstudent_ | I got a little question about packet versions.. given these versions: "2.2-rc1", "2.2" and "2.2-r1"... which one is the latest? |
| 18:06.12 | icedwater | rozie: Even for GNOME? :P |
| 18:06.13 | Titan8990 | icedwater, k3b/brasero/wodim |
| 18:06.22 | flopje | i use a alfa |
| 18:06.28 | rozie | icedwater: use kde ;) |
| 18:06.36 | icedwater | Hm, I've seen Brasero. Installing that. |
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| 18:06.39 | icedwater | Sell me on K3B? |
| 18:06.45 | icedwater | Or k3b, as it were. |
| 18:06.54 | flopje | and it makes me crazy |
| 18:06.59 | opensourcer | me too I'm unable to run WG111v3 |
| 18:07.03 | opensourcer | no wlan0 |
| 18:07.16 | Titan8990 | icedwater, k3b looks nicer and is more reliable, but requires the large qt libs |
| 18:07.21 | YiamiYo | it orks nice at my ubuntu with no ndiswrapper... |
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| 18:07.24 | YiamiYo | works* |
| 18:07.27 | sshd___ | how name programm for avto moute CD and flash? |
| 18:07.43 | flopje | alfa is good for M$ and ubuntu |
| 18:07.47 | icedwater | You'd like to mount a CD, sshd___ ? |
| 18:07.52 | rozie | YiamiYo: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/wifi-card-netgear-wg111v3-usb2.0-in-debian-4.0-615300/ |
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| 18:08.18 | YiamiYo | rozie.... |
| 18:08.29 | YiamiYo | that's what i'm doing but i get an error... |
| 18:08.31 | YiamiYo | scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/root/ndiswrapper-1.49/driver/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop. |
| 18:08.53 | opensourcer | plz guys I'm unable to run wifi WG111v3 on lenny |
| 18:09.05 | YiamiYo | me too! |
| 18:09.07 | YiamiYo | xD |
| 18:09.08 | opensourcer | modprobe rtl8187 |
| 18:09.10 | rozie | ;> |
| 18:09.21 | opensourcer | works fine no error msg's |
| 18:09.47 | sshd___ | icedwater: I wont auto mount CD, after insert DISK to DVD-rom |
| 18:09.52 | opensourcer | nut no wlan0 and iwconfig says no wireless extensions |
| 18:09.56 | YiamiYo | no one knows what the heck i have to do for tis error: scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/root/ndiswrapper-1.49/driver/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop. |
| 18:09.56 | YiamiYo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.59 | opensourcer | s/nut/but |
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| 18:10.12 | themill | dpkg: tell YiamiYo about ndiswrapper |
| 18:10.29 | YiamiYo | i don't think it's about ndiswrapper...:/ |
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| 18:11.03 | opensourcer | according to wiki For RTL8187B chipset support, install a backported kernel image from Debian Backports. Restart your system with this kernel before continuing. |
| 18:11.09 | opensourcer | I didn't understand this |
| 18:11.17 | themill | YiamiYo: you're trying to compile ndiswrapper... reading the debian documentation that dpkg just pointed you to will probably be a good idea |
| 18:11.30 | opensourcer | plzz guys |
| 18:11.58 | YiamiYo | why i get this error: scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/root/ndiswrapper-1.49/driver/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop. |
| 18:11.59 | YiamiYo | ? |
| 18:11.59 | Titan8990 | opensourcer, a) add backport repository your your sources b) install the kernel image from that repository |
| 18:12.02 | themill | opensourcer: you probably need a newer kernel from backports.org. /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 18:12.19 | themill | YiamiYo: please stop asking and start reading the answers you've already been given. |
| 18:12.26 | opensourcer | I did that to the sources.list |
| 18:12.49 | opensourcer | my kernel V is 2.6.26 |
| 18:12.54 | themill | judd kernels --release lenny-backports |
| 18:12.55 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-3~bpo50+1) |
| 18:13.07 | YiamiYo | themill, 2 guys said me to fllow the instruction they gave me but i get this error... |
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| 18:13.07 | themill | opensourcer: ^^ you need the 2.6.30 kernel from backports.org |
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| 18:13.16 | aaq- | hey, im trying to do apt-get install gcc, and it gives me "Media change: please insert the disc labeled" |
| 18:13.22 | aaq- | .... |
| 18:13.24 | aaq- | any idea |
| 18:13.32 | opensourcer | k |
| 18:13.34 | dutchfish | opensourcer, http://kagashe.blogspot.com/2008/11/wireless-networking-using-intel.html |
| 18:13.39 | aaq- | Media change: please insert the disc labeled |
| 18:13.39 | aaq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.39 | aaq- | in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter |
| 18:13.39 | Titan8990 | aaq-, remove cdrom from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:13.40 | themill | dpkg: tell langzeitstudent_ about version compare |
| 18:14.03 | aaq- | Titan8990 thx |
| 18:14.07 | Titan8990 | dpkg, tell aaq- about pastebin |
| 18:14.19 | aaq- | Titan8990 now it says it cant find gcc |
| 18:14.28 | Titan8990 | aaq-, aptitude update |
| 18:14.37 | Titan8990 | aaq-, aptitude install build-essentials |
| 18:14.44 | aaq- | where can i read about all that stuff? |
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| 18:14.58 | slidesinger | aaq-: check /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the lines having to do with the cd. |
| 18:15.06 | dutchfish | !tell aaq- about kp-mantra |
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| 18:15.56 | slime | how do i access partition editor on gnome? |
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| 18:16.24 | Titan8990 | slime, aptitude install gparted && gparted |
| 18:16.30 | aaq- | "Package gcc is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 18:16.36 | aaq- | (after i did the aptitude thing) |
| 18:16.37 | slime | oh no... |
| 18:16.53 | slime | oh no...' |
| 18:16.55 | Titan8990 | aaq-, aptitude install build-essentials |
| 18:16.56 | slime | oops |
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| 18:17.00 | Titan8990 | aaq-, will install gcc |
| 18:17.03 | slime | anyway to get that offline |
| 18:17.25 | aaq- | Titan8990 i did that, still no gcc |
| 18:17.26 | themill | Titan8990: build-essential (no s) |
| 18:17.33 | YiamiYo | scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/root/ndiswrapper-1.49/driver/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop. |
| 18:17.40 | Titan8990 | aaq-, aptitude install build-essential |
| 18:17.50 | Titan8990 | aaq-, you know the package manager has a damn search utility |
| 18:17.51 | fatalerrors | after reading many comparison between fs xfs seems to be the good choice for me... thanks fefo |
| 18:17.58 | opensourcer | dutch -> http://kagashe.blogspot.com/2008/11/wireless-networking-using-intel.html ->no info in here |
| 18:18.00 | aaq- | "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "build-essential" |
| 18:18.03 | Titan8990 | aaq-, aptitude search PACKAGE; aptitude show PACKAGE |
| 18:18.14 | slime | Titan8990 anyway to get part. editor offline |
| 18:18.31 | themill | aaq-: have you done an "aptitude update" since editing your sources.list? |
| 18:18.37 | slime | or by another computer |
| 18:18.42 | aaq- | yea |
| 18:18.45 | Titan8990 | slime, you need install an application without internet access? |
| 18:18.53 | slime | yes... |
| 18:18.58 | Titan8990 | just use fdisk |
| 18:19.03 | slime | i need to edit partitions |
| 18:19.05 | Titan8990 | save yourself the pita of messing with that |
| 18:19.41 | Titan8990 | slime, you have to use a livecd if the partition is mounted |
| 18:19.53 | aaq- | when tying to apt-get install the latest gcc i get gcc-4.3-base is already the newest version. |
| 18:20.00 | aaq- | whats wrong with this package manager |
| 18:20.02 | opensourcer | no linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64 only linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.2-amd64 from backport |
| 18:20.04 | aaq- | its a fresh new installation of debian |
| 18:20.09 | Titan8990 | aaq-, you don't know to use it |
| 18:20.10 | slime | but i want to dual boot debian and xp |
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| 18:20.18 | Titan8990 | aaq-, and insist on asking IRC 1001 and one questions |
| 18:20.28 | aaq- | Titan8990 you told me what to do and it proved not to fix the issue so .. |
| 18:20.30 | Badgermaster | aaq-: Then you've probably checked for "development tools" during the install |
| 18:20.38 | aaq- | Badgermaster but i dont have gcc |
| 18:20.55 | Badgermaster | So nothing happens if you type gcc -v ? |
| 18:21.02 | aaq- | nope |
| 18:21.21 | Titan8990 | aptitude search build-essential |
| 18:21.25 | Titan8990 | aptitude search gcc |
| 18:21.27 | opensourcer | guys some one plzzzzzzzzzz |
| 18:21.30 | aaq- | although dpkg -l shows me gcc |
| 18:21.33 | Titan8990 | surely you can find a package that has what you need |
| 18:21.38 | Badgermaster | dpkg-reconfigure gcc-4.3-base |
| 18:22.04 | opensourcer | help with installation or working solution for WG111v3(rtl8187B) |
| 18:22.09 | opensourcer | help me |
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| 18:22.36 | aaq- | dkpg -l gcc gives me some /doc /lib etc |
| 18:22.39 | aaq- | but not the gcc binary |
| 18:22.56 | Badgermaster | opensourcer: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 18:23.05 | aaq- | aptitude search build-essential outputs nothing |
| 18:23.32 | opensourcer | i did followed that wiki |
| 18:23.36 | Titan8990 | aaq-, pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:23.40 | opensourcer | modprobe no error |
| 18:23.48 | dutchfish | opensourcer, please be patient 2nd. you need indeed a newer kernel (at least 2.6.29 or newer) if you dont know how to compile you own kernel, read the up first |
| 18:24.10 | zmen01 | how can i remove all " in a file? |
| 18:24.14 | Titan8990 | aaq-, did you a netinst? |
| 18:24.16 | icedwater | Well, Brasero disappeared (crashed?) when trying to blank my CD-RW.. |
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| 18:24.18 | Pnux | hello, im having a problem with alsamixer, everytime i reboot, the master volume is set to 0 and muted.. if i unmute and set it to 100% it works perfectly, but its getting a little bit annoying. Does anybody know whats wrong? Or what to do to figure it out? |
| 18:24.28 | icedwater | And now the session seems to be open permanently. |
| 18:24.33 | opensourcer | well ok I'll upgrade my kernel to 2.6.29/30 right away |
| 18:24.36 | icedwater | I can't blank it any other way. |
| 18:24.50 | aaq- | Titan8990 http://paste.debian.net/43144/ |
| 18:24.59 | Titan8990 | icedwater, ps ax | grep brasero && kill PID |
| 18:25.01 | slidesinger | aaq-: apt-cache pkgnames | grep build-essential ? |
| 18:25.03 | Titan8990 | icedwater, then get k3b |
| 18:25.17 | icedwater | opensourcer: I have a backported .30 kernel. :) Check out backports. |
| 18:25.27 | icedwater | Titan8990: Yeah ... well, trying Gnomebaker since it worked for me before. |
| 18:25.30 | icedwater | No luck there either. |
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| 18:25.37 | icedwater | k3b, perhaps. |
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| 18:25.40 | aaq- | slidesinger nothing |
| 18:25.45 | Titan8990 | aaq-, how did you manage that? |
| 18:25.52 | Titan8990 | aaq-, lol you don't have a main repo |
| 18:25.54 | aaq- | Titan8990 managed what? |
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| 18:26.03 | aaq- | err |
| 18:26.14 | Yiami-Yo | scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/root/ndiswrapper-1.49/driver/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop. |
| 18:26.27 | aaq- | ok i think ill need some tutorial about all that stuff, im moving from gentoo |
| 18:26.29 | Titan8990 | aaq-, http://paste.debian.net/43145/ |
| 18:26.34 | Titan8990 | aaq-, there is a copy of mine |
| 18:26.41 | Titan8990 | aaq-, I am also a gentoo user |
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| 18:26.58 | slime | titan8990 is there a way to partitionate the disk offline |
| 18:27.06 | slime | without partition editor |
| 18:27.10 | Titan8990 | slime, fdisk |
| 18:27.14 | Titan8990 | slime, sfdisk |
| 18:27.18 | da78 | uF5Lm3y9 |
| 18:27.18 | Titan8990 | slime, cli parted |
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| 18:27.24 | trenz | I need to fix graphic error on start of Debian 3.x.x |
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| 18:27.26 | dutchfish | slime, or cfdisk |
| 18:27.27 | icedwater | Pleh, no way am I going to grab a 150MB set of libs just to erase a CD. |
| 18:27.33 | Titan8990 | slime, i prefer fdisk because its easy and i have been using it forever |
| 18:27.34 | slime | i will check it out |
| 18:27.39 | icedwater | Well, 52MB but taking up 150MB. |
| 18:27.52 | Titan8990 | aaq-, pm? |
| 18:28.04 | trenz | anyone know why it says the config might be modified so it will not load in graphic mode |
| 18:28.12 | Yiami-Yo | no one knows about my error? |
| 18:28.26 | Badgermaster | If I want a newer kernel but don't want to compile it myself, would it be a really terrible idea to just download it from the squeeze or sid repos and install it using dpkg? |
| 18:28.42 | slime | how do you use it :S |
| 18:28.44 | trenz | what was question? I just got in |
| 18:28.48 | slime | i need 5 gb |
| 18:28.50 | opensourcer | ice but when I ran aptitue -t lenny-backports search linux-image there where no 2.6.30 kernel versions |
| 18:28.53 | fefo | fatalerrors: np |
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| 18:28.56 | dutchfish | Yiami-Yo, your q has been answered, please reread |
| 18:29.03 | Yiami-Yo | what? |
| 18:29.06 | cahoot | icedwater: wodim then? |
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| 18:29.29 | opensourcer | Yiamo export KBUILD_NOPEDANTIC=1 |
| 18:29.48 | Yiami-Yo | tryied that too but it dosn't work.. |
| 18:29.51 | Yiami-Yo | tried* |
| 18:30.04 | icedwater | Perhaps. Didn't find any devices, though, that could be the actual problem. |
| 18:30.06 | opensourcer | it worked for me |
| 18:30.08 | trenz | I am running debian 3.x.x for BT4 pre-final on vmware & cannot get graphic mode working can ne1 help?? |
| 18:30.34 | icedwater | opensourcer: Did you add www.backports.org? |
| 18:30.46 | opensourcer | yes I to sources.list |
| 18:30.47 | Yiami-Yo | icedwater, are you talking to me|? |
| 18:30.50 | opensourcer | and updated as well |
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| 18:30.59 | icedwater | Yiami-Yo: nope, sorry. |
| 18:31.18 | icedwater | Ooh, cdrskin is starting to blank the disk. |
| 18:31.20 | Badgermaster | trenz: Don't ask to ask, just ask, as long as it's a debian related problem |
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| 18:31.22 | icedwater | Hope it works. |
| 18:31.34 | trenz | guess nobody knows debian 3.x :( |
| 18:31.36 | slime | Titan8990 give me an example on how to create a partition with e.g 5 gb |
| 18:31.45 | opensourcer | ice I made a mistake |
| 18:31.52 | icedwater | trenz: Maybe you should just ask the detailed question. |
| 18:31.52 | opensourcer | let me check again |
| 18:32.18 | icedwater | Someone might pop up with the answer; I won't, because I don't know debian that well... |
| 18:32.22 | opensourcer | got the kernel version 2.6.30 |
| 18:32.25 | Titan8990 | slime, is the space already free? |
| 18:32.37 | Yiami-Yo | make[3]: *** [/root/ndiswrapper-1.49/driver/crt.o] Error 1 |
| 18:32.38 | Yiami-Yo | make[2]: *** [_module_/root/ndiswrapper-1.49/driver] Error 2 |
| 18:32.38 | Yiami-Yo | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-powerpc' |
| 18:32.38 | Yiami-Yo | make[1]: *** [default] Error 2 |
| 18:32.38 | Yiami-Yo | make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/ndiswrapper-1.49/driver' |
| 18:32.38 | Yiami-Yo | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
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| 18:32.48 | opensourcer | ice what should I do after installing the kernel 2.6.30 |
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| 18:32.55 | slime | Titan8990 yes i think so |
| 18:33.10 | dutchfish | !tell Yiami-Yo about pastebin |
| 18:33.14 | icedwater | opensourcer: Did you use the kernel-image? I'm not too well-versed in building kernels the debian way. (Or at all.) |
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| 18:33.27 | icedwater | If you did, the grub etc should be configured, just reboot into your newer kernel. |
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| 18:33.39 | icedwater | You may need a new set of drivers for other stuff. |
| 18:33.40 | Yiami-Yo | http://paste.debian.net/43148/ |
| 18:33.44 | Titan8990 | slime, there is a good newbie guide to fdisk here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=4 |
| 18:33.57 | trenz | Running debian 3.x with Backtrack 4 pre-final running using vmware & cannot boot into Graphic mode gives only basic error thet it failed to load because the config was changed & reverted back to the origonal |
| 18:33.59 | opensourcer | i'll do that and update u |
| 18:34.32 | trenz | the errors it fives tells me nothing & I cannot grep frep or any Grep the devices |
| 18:34.35 | fxiny | trenz: debian 3 is the great woody release |
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| 18:35.11 | trenz | debian 3.x is what backtrack 4 pre-final runs off of |
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| 18:35.48 | adb | trenz: ask BT4 |
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| 18:36.30 | trenz | I am on there support waiting for response |
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| 18:37.57 | slime | Titan8990, when creating a primary partition with fdisk, what do i put in first cylinder |
| 18:38.10 | Titan8990 | slime, it will have a default |
| 18:38.16 | slime | 1 |
| 18:38.21 | Titan8990 | slime, the default will start at the end of the last partition |
| 18:38.34 | Titan8990 | slime, then the next line you would put: +5G |
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| 18:39.25 | slime | titan8990 i don't understand, do i need to recreate the partition for debian and create a 2 for windows |
| 18:39.52 | Yiami-Yo | dutchfish, http://paste.debian.net/43150/ |
| 18:39.55 | trenz | slime can you use partition manager?? |
| 18:40.07 | slime | no, i'm offline, and i don't have it |
| 18:40.12 | slidesinger | I'm looking for a concept doc for dhcp-ldap. How it works, advantages, etc. Does anyone know of one? |
| 18:40.34 | Titan8990 | slime, n -> new partition -> p/e - primary or extended -> First cylinder (1-3876, default 785): ENTER <--accept default, Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (1-3876, default 3876): +5G |
| 18:40.35 | Yiami-Yo | wth guys???? |
| 18:40.47 | Titan8990 | slime, w - write to partition table |
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| 18:41.10 | Ergo^ | does lenny ship with codecs to decode mp3 ? |
| 18:41.12 | trenz | slime using gentoo or debian?? |
| 18:41.29 | Yiami-Yo | getting errors doing what it says here: http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper |
| 18:41.38 | slime | debian |
| 18:41.55 | trenz | slime you have a built in paartition manager |
| 18:42.03 | trenz | should be in your /bin |
| 18:42.07 | stew | does ndiswrapper work for ppc? |
| 18:42.28 | Titan8990 | trenz, may not if he installed from a netinst or minimal |
| 18:42.36 | Yiami-Yo | stew, why not? |
| 18:42.41 | slime | yep |
| 18:42.41 | slidesinger | Ergo^: There are apps and codecs available to handle mp3s and other media as well. |
| 18:42.42 | slime | netinst |
| 18:42.48 | slime | >_> |
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| 18:42.57 | slime | i created the partition |
| 18:43.00 | trenz | lol ouch... can you reinstall as basic?? |
| 18:43.05 | slime | can i install windows now? |
| 18:43.14 | trenz | windows why lol |
| 18:43.18 | Ergo^ | slidesinger: im asking if they are out of the box, i want to install lenny on machine without net access |
| 18:43.21 | Titan8990 | slime, if it was free space, windows installer could have created the partition |
| 18:43.35 | slime | omg... |
| 18:43.35 | Yiami-Yo | anyone to help me install ndiswrapper? |
| 18:43.38 | Titan8990 | slime, and you will need to reinstall grub after that |
| 18:43.38 | stew | Yiami-Yo: would a windows network driver work on ppc? i'd think not |
| 18:43.56 | slime | yes |
| 18:44.01 | slidesinger | Ergo^: Depends on which install you do. |
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| 18:44.16 | Ergo^ | slidesinger: standard desktop |
| 18:44.22 | Yiami-Yo | then what i have to do to use my netgear wg111v3 at my ppc? |
| 18:44.24 | slime | http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_linux_and_windows_xp_linux_installed_first.htm?page=3 |
| 18:44.25 | trenz | what you installing slime?? basic terminal Debian?? |
| 18:44.29 | slime | im using that website |
| 18:44.37 | slime | trenz im installing xp |
| 18:44.55 | Titan8990 | trenz, some people like a variety of window managers and etc that are not the default gnome meta package |
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| 18:45.36 | slime | i hope windows creates the partition |
| 18:45.43 | stew | Yiami-Yo: what chipset does it have? |
| 18:46.12 | Yiami-Yo | how can i see? |
| 18:46.34 | Titan8990 | Yiami-Yo, lspci |
| 18:46.47 | Yiami-Yo | i'm from windows machine now.. |
| 18:47.04 | trenz | bbbooooo.... |
| 18:47.16 | trenz | boo's yiami-yo off the channel |
| 18:47.18 | Titan8990 | that doesn't help us |
| 18:47.20 | trenz | :P |
| 18:47.33 | slime | Titan8990, i got an error from the cd installer |
| 18:47.38 | Titan8990 | i would ask #windows because i have no idea |
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| 18:47.44 | slime | ok |
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| 18:47.47 | stew | Yiami-Yo: find out the vendorid:deviceid, somethign like 8086:10d3 |
| 18:47.47 | Yiami-Yo | ok..i'll reboot to check from ubuntu |
| 18:47.54 | icedwater | Heh |
| 18:47.54 | trenz | or #winblows or #Microshaft LOL |
| 18:47.55 | Titan8990 | slime, that was directed at you but applies lol |
| 18:47.59 | icedwater | Don't feel pressured :P |
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| 18:48.00 | stew | Yiami-Yo: from ubuntu "lsusb" should tell you (not lspci) |
| 18:48.06 | Yiami-Yo | oh ok |
| 18:48.07 | slidesinger | Ergo^: When you have finished with task-select (not sure of spelling) you have the opportunity to review the packages to be installed prior to actually installing. Just make sure the packages you want are there. I don't use gnome or kde, but I am sure both have apps to handle mp3s. |
| 18:48.08 | slime | ok lool |
| 18:48.14 | icedwater | Yiami-Yo: you probably want to check the Control Panel and stuff |
| 18:48.18 | trenz | I usually laod windows first the nlinux so its stable |
| 18:48.22 | k0opa | how I can restart iptables or something like that? |
| 18:48.35 | Titan8990 | icedwater, windows doesn't show you the chipset like that |
| 18:48.42 | stew | Yiami-Yo: if you were in windows, I'd expect you to be able to find this in the device manager or whatever |
| 18:48.45 | icedwater | Titan8990: Doesn't device manager? |
| 18:49.28 | icedwater | Yiami-Yo: You might have some luck right-clicking My Computer, then going to Properties, and checking the Devices Tab. Works on XP, and I'd imagine Vista, too. |
| 18:49.31 | Titan8990 | icedwater, don't think so, that would list pretty much what it would have said on the box i.e. manufacture and model # but not internal chipset |
| 18:49.36 | icedwater | Hmm... OK |
| 18:49.51 | Titan8990 | icedwater, so if he had an alfa, windows would say its an alfa, not an atheros chipset |
| 18:49.53 | icedwater | Can't recall, not booted Windows in a while now :P |
| 18:50.07 | icedwater | No, it might actually give the underlying chipset name. |
| 18:50.09 | Titan8990 | i have to deal with it at work unfortunately |
| 18:50.25 | icedwater | Or else, you could try googling the matching product name? |
| 18:50.57 | Titan8990 | !windows |
| 18:50.57 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
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| 18:51.18 | slidesinger | Ergo^: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mp3&searchon=all&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 18:51.28 | jaalto | How can USB stick say this. "mount | grep usb0" => "/dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime,nodiratime)". "rm ..." => "rm: cannot remove `/media/usb0/git/00flag-backup.timestamp': Read-only file system". "ls -la" => "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 2009-07-31 20:05 /media/usb0/git/00flag-backup.timestamp" |
| 18:51.28 | YiamiYo | realtek rtl8187b |
| 18:51.45 | trenz | I would of said if you open windows many bugs come in LOL |
| 18:51.56 | Titan8990 | Yiami-Yo, http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 18:52.21 | slidesinger | dpkg: be fair, they don't work as intended. |
| 18:52.21 | dpkg | no idea, slidesinger |
| 18:52.32 | icedwater | dpkg: !bot |
| 18:52.33 | dpkg | icedwater: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:52.37 | icedwater | !bot |
| 18:52.38 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 18:52.45 | jaalto | That is, how can USB stick vfat be read-only, when it shows rw in mount listing |
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| 18:53.26 | icedwater | Not too sure. I've seen it before, but I forgot, sorry. |
| 18:53.34 | icedwater | dpkg, tell me about fstab |
| 18:54.23 | stew | dpkg: tell icedwater about selftell |
| 18:54.34 | cahoot | jaalto: try /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 18:55.03 | slidesinger | jaalto: Check the permissions for the user trying to access the stick. |
| 18:55.20 | icedwater | stew: OK, thanks :) I don't do it that often anyway. |
| 18:55.53 | jaalto | slidesinger: I'm running root |
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| 18:56.32 | YiamiYo | erm...i don't think i can install a new kernel... |
| 18:57.04 | YiamiYo | server:~# uname -a |
| 18:57.04 | YiamiYo | Linux server 2.6.26-2-powerpc #1 Sun Jul 26 21:16:45 UTC 2009 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 18:57.04 | geever | hello |
| 18:57.17 | stew | judd pciname 8187 |
| 18:57.19 | judd | stew: '8187' matched: [10ec:8199] 'RTL8187SE Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' |
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| 18:57.27 | stew | judd pciid 10ec:8199 |
| 18:57.29 | judd | stew: [10ec:8199] is 'RTL8187SE Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'set(['rtl8187se'])' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8199 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 18:57.36 | stew | YiamiYo: ^^^ see the wiki link |
| 18:57.52 | YiamiYo | i have rtl8187b...not se... |
| 18:57.58 | geever | I have a problem installing Lenny: Bug#515614 (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515614) |
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| 18:58.07 | geever | could you hep me, plaease? |
| 18:58.23 | trenz | tell lenny to knock it off & install :P |
| 18:59.07 | trenz | can you see my text? think I got kicked off internet.. |
| 18:59.08 | slidesinger | jaalto: I hope you don't make a habit of that and that you use either su - or sudo and those for administrative tasks only. |
| 19:00.16 | slidesinger | trenz: No, you're still connected. |
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| 19:00.47 | trenz | bah bbs |
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| 19:01.06 | trenz | try download ANOTHER freaaking BT4 sigh.... |
| 19:01.20 | jaalto | slidesinger: Iäm doing system maintenence |
| 19:01.52 | jaalto | slidesinger: experimenting with SB stick backups and stuff (mkfs ...) |
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| 19:02.34 | SirStan | How can I install debian sans X11 |
| 19:02.48 | slidesinger | jaalto: Just making sure. I actually run into the odd ex-windows user who runs everything as root. |
| 19:02.55 | cantido | SirStan: don't install the desktop task |
| 19:02.55 | slidesinger | shivers |
| 19:03.03 | jaalto | slidesinger: not me :-) |
| 19:03.29 | cantido | slidesinger: running everything as "root" hasn't been the case on windows for a long time though |
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| 19:03.58 | jaalto | slidesinger: It appeared that the problem was solved in /etc/fstab. There was save /dev/sdX listed twice. A Sopy paste error for two sticks. |
| 19:04.05 | cantido | it just allows non-root users to gain the right privs when they need them |
| 19:05.08 | jair | guys there is a bug with the t61p lenovo thinkpads hardlock with the capslock flashing have anyone heard a solution for this? |
| 19:05.14 | paxcoder | does anyone know what to kill when iceweasel won't start? I have no firefox firefox-bin nor iceweasel process. |
| 19:05.33 | cantido | paxcoder: is it saying that it's already running? |
| 19:05.39 | paxcoder | yes |
| 19:06.17 | jaalto | Has aunyone experience with USB FAT/UDF? My last experiment with FAT was disastrous due to inefficiency of FAT32 being able to store small, long file name files. (FAT consumed 1.7x more space for every file; this halving the capacity). |
| 19:06.21 | cantido | deleting the . folder works.. that's not what you probably want.. I think I had luck with starting the profile manager before though |
| 19:06.40 | slidesinger | cantido: Personally, I defenstrate every computer I own and haven't done anything with windows since 2003. |
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| 19:07.01 | jair | I am sure the the problem is with the wireless adapter and a driver on it iwl firmware on Lenny because it only freeze when I use the wireless |
| 19:07.10 | zinx | jaalto: UDF is not designed for USB flash drives |
| 19:07.23 | paxcoder | cantido: yeah, i can only start a different profile |
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| 19:08.04 | jaalto | zinx: Could you give more information. I assumed that CD-RW suitable would work for USB sticks too. |
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| 19:08.13 | cantido | paxcoder: I was trying to create a screenshot'ing script once... loading the profile mananger and closing it got rid of that "already running" thing |
| 19:08.14 | jair | paxcoder did you check on ps -aux | grep iceweasel or firefox? |
| 19:08.31 | cantido | paxcoder: deleting the . folder for the user was the only other solution |
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| 19:09.04 | paxcoder | jair: yes, i just did. seems i was wrong. there was a firefox-bin process |
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| 19:09.38 | cantido | It sometimes thinks it's running when it's not though, if the profile it's closed correctly or something |
| 19:09.47 | paxcoder | wonders why pgrep doesn't report it |
| 19:09.52 | jair | paxcoder it needed to be if is telling you that another firefox process was running :-) |
| 19:09.54 | fxiny | pgrep -f |
| 19:10.47 | paxcoder | fxiny: thx. that did it. |
| 19:10.47 | jair | anyway kill the process and run iceweasel again |
| 19:11.05 | paxcoder | of course. |
| 19:11.19 | fxiny | paxcoder: np |
| 19:11.54 | cantido | It's really annoying that it does that though, if you want to run it on multiple x servers you can't :/ |
| 19:12.08 | slidesinger | paxcoder: If you continue to have the same problem once the process is killed, remove the lock file. |
| 19:12.09 | fxiny | i can run two iceweasel no porbs |
| 19:12.16 | jair | has anyone heard about the bug with the thinkpads t61p and the hardlock hung and flashing capslock |
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| 19:12.38 | cantido | jair: is it a kernel issue? |
| 19:12.43 | paxcoder | slidesinger: how do I do that? |
| 19:12.44 | mjt | when kernel locks up it flashes capslock |
| 19:12.49 | paxcoder | (just curious) |
| 19:13.04 | geever | anyone knows the "Buffer I/O error on device sr0" error at Lenny install? (The cd is ok) |
| 19:13.20 | jair | I think it is related to the firmware for the 4965agn intel wifi chip |
| 19:13.22 | mjt | geever: it can't read the cd, it's the reason. |
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| 19:13.34 | cantido | jair: apparently a kernel bug, have you checked the BTS and/or tried a newer kernel? |
| 19:14.12 | slidesinger | paxcoder: Mine is: .mozilla/firefox/wp3qy015.default/lock, your path will be different. |
| 19:14.21 | jair | cantido I am running the stable kernel from Lenny but I may try a bp one |
| 19:14.46 | paxcoder | slidesinger: i just remove that file? o.O |
| 19:15.00 | slidesinger | paxcoder: exactly |
| 19:15.08 | paxcoder | interesting. thx |
| 19:15.11 | cantido | jair: as long as you have a cd to boot from if it doesn't work anymore you're safe :) |
| 19:15.19 | geever | mjt, it can.. under Etch |
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| 19:15.39 | mjt | geever: it has nothing to do with versions |
| 19:15.42 | slidesinger | paxcoder: no problem. |
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| 19:16.32 | robokop | would it be possible to give users who can authenticate to a certain ldapserver a guest account? |
| 19:16.32 | geever | mjt, I know. But I can read it from Etch why it can't from Lenny install? |
| 19:16.46 | geever | it seems to be: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515614#20 |
| 19:16.50 | jair | the bug #600393 I think |
| 19:17.03 | geever | but no solution given there.. |
| 19:17.05 | aaq- | do i ever need to use aptitude ? or all functionality is already in apt-get? |
| 19:17.07 | cantido | robokop: If you can configure pam to work like that |
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| 19:17.15 | jair | cantido can you send me the message again? |
| 19:17.22 | jair | I got |
| 19:17.28 | elik | I'm having a hard time running videos in full screen in mplayer. As good as I can remember, it all started when I switched from Lenny to squeeze. Is it broken or I'm missing something? |
| 19:17.29 | mjt | aaq-: it's exactly the opposite |
| 19:17.31 | jair | disconnected |
| 19:17.32 | robokop | cantido: any help on how to configure pam in that way |
| 19:17.38 | cantido | jair: if you have a cd you're safe, don't to dangerous things without a cd |
| 19:17.39 | esb | where does stuff you get from "wget" end up? |
| 19:17.44 | cantido | jair: s/to/do |
| 19:17.53 | robokop | esb in your current dir |
| 19:18.07 | cantido | robokop: mmm I'm just trying to think.. |
| 19:18.11 | stew | esb: in the current directory, unless you specify -o. it tells you the file it is creating in its output |
| 19:18.12 | fear | está away.. [not here!!!] [t7DS: pager/on, logging/on] |
| 19:18.23 | stew | fear: please turn that off in here |
| 19:18.37 | jair | what do you mean? I think I will back up my system and then start testing with a new kernel |
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| 19:18.48 | cantido | robokop: what exactly do you want to with the guest account, just drop them into a default location? |
| 19:18.59 | robokop | yes |
| 19:19.12 | esb | robokop: & stew Thx... Abit different from BSD, I need some time getting used to linux again.. |
| 19:19.20 | cantido | jair: If you have a boot cd you can fix stuff if it goes wrong. kernels are stuff that can go very wrong |
| 19:19.28 | aaq- | mjt everytime i make change to the source.list file i need to run aptitude update? |
| 19:19.46 | robokop | cantido: a few guys from my work are coming over and i can reach the ldap server at work |
| 19:20.01 | Arrowmaster | aaq-: you need to regularlly run update anyway |
| 19:20.06 | jair | cantido I will make a full backup of my system with clonezilla :-) |
| 19:20.22 | mjt | geever: again: it is not kernel or debian-version related. Well, it *may* be that etch kernel was less picky and retried the read operation without logging anything, but it's the hardware that reports the error. If it works you can ignore it. if does not work, -- are you sure you can read ALL the cd in etch? |
| 19:20.51 | robokop | so if they can authenticate to the work ldap they should get something like /home/sandbox/ as $HOME |
| 19:20.57 | KeiKurono | why can't i see video on iceweasel even if i have shockwave flash plugin (9.0 r100) installed? |
| 19:21.02 | cantido | robokop: mmm I'm not sure, Testing at least will configure pam+ldap for you.. maybe you could create links for the home dirs to the same place |
| 19:21.04 | mjt | geever: that bug is umm.. useless, btw. |
| 19:21.26 | jair | is anyone using lenovo machines and Lenny? |
| 19:21.50 | robokop | cantido: that wouldn't work since they get their own uid |
| 19:21.52 | geever | It wasn't me who reported ;) |
| 19:22.11 | cantido | robokop: perms on the home dir.. |
| 19:22.14 | jair | I do not have issues with the T42s those machines real IBM are solid |
| 19:22.33 | cantido | jair: all X86 is the same shit |
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| 19:22.48 | robokop | cantido: if possible i want to make one account which uses ldap any user as authentication |
| 19:22.54 | fxiny | KeiKurono: 9.0.r100 is old , dmm uploaded today 10.0.r32 |
| 19:22.55 | aaq- | so basically debian users no longer use apt-cache/apt-get but aptitude instead? |
| 19:22.56 | aaq- | or both |
| 19:23.02 | YiamiYo | confused guys... |
| 19:23.12 | robokop | aaq-: it is a matter of choice |
| 19:23.13 | Arrowmaster | aaq-: aptitude is recommended |
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| 19:23.36 | geever | thanks anyway. bye |
| 19:23.44 | rozie | KeiKurono: try version from debian-multimedia.org |
| 19:23.50 | YiamiYo | For RTL8187B chipset support, install a backported kernel image from Debian Backports. Restart your system with this kernel before continuing |
| 19:23.57 | YiamiYo | how do i install backports? |
| 19:24.04 | cantido | robokop: mmm I'm not sure. In my setup LDAP is used to get the home dir etc.. what you want is that if user A can bind to the directory they get logged in and put into a default environment? |
| 19:24.06 | KeiKurono | thx fxiny rozie |
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| 19:24.31 | OpenTokix | aaq: I use apt-get |
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| 19:24.42 | rozie | KeiKurono: 'normal' version also should work, but on d-m is the newest (fixed) one |
| 19:25.10 | KeiKurono | stable? |
| 19:25.27 | cantido | aaq-: people here say that aptitude is the way to go, but from things I've read apt-get does most of the same stuff.. aptitude has a nice menu interface though |
| 19:25.32 | KeiKurono | yes found it thx |
| 19:25.35 | rozie | deb http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia lenny main |
| 19:25.59 | YiamiYo | i already have it... |
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| 19:27.01 | robokop | cantido: indeed if user A can bind to the ldap directory he should get loged in as local luser |
| 19:27.14 | YiamiYo | guys...how do install a backported kernel? |
| 19:27.46 | robokop | cantido: or even creepier use sshfs to mount their home dir :P |
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| 19:28.31 | cantido | robokop: going to be some reading into the pam_ldap thingy I think... PAM scares the shit out of me |
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| 19:29.08 | robokop | cantido: PAM is a beast indeed |
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| 19:29.29 | cantido | I'm think that pam_ldap can report that the bind has worked and then you can pass it to some pam module that handles guest sessions |
| 19:29.44 | cantido | s/think/thinking/ |
| 19:29.49 | gparent | Hey, can anyone point me towards the .config used to build the latest kernel image? |
| 19:29.57 | gparent | I want to do a custom compile, and wish to start from something safe. |
| 19:30.02 | jair | cantido: alright I am on my machine now much better hahaha I was chatting from my iphone and one of the free apps, and irc client |
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| 19:30.25 | cantido | has a smashed iphone somewhere... |
| 19:30.36 | jair | cantido: so what I will do is backup my system and see how it goes |
| 19:30.41 | jair | I see |
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| 19:31.10 | YiamiYo | For RTL8187B chipset support, install a backported kernel image from Debian Backports. Restart your system with this kernel before continuing. <----how do i do this?xd |
| 19:31.10 | jair | I have the old version of the iphone first generation doing nothing I wonder if I should test installing linux there |
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| 19:31.22 | hark | !tell gparent about kernel config |
| 19:31.22 | cantido | jair: basically, if you play with kernels you could get a situation where you can't boot.. you won't loose anything though. Just keep an install cd around for those times |
| 19:31.36 | KeiKurono | i don't understand i have the latest .deb flashplayer-mozilla installed but in the plugins of iceweasel i got an old version ? |
| 19:31.37 | jair | cantido: got it |
| 19:32.03 | marsje | quaestion: how can I see with aptitude which package made another package being installed automatically? |
| 19:32.12 | cantido | jair: It's a good idea to keep some sort of bootable thing around anyhow.. I found that out this week |
| 19:32.17 | hark | marsje: aptitude why foo |
| 19:32.17 | g00se | Can a etch->lenny upgrade get rid of needed graphics modules? I've just upgraded and am now getting X errors: http://pastebin.com/f5d868e3 |
| 19:32.23 | gparent | hark: WHat kind of cookies do you like? :P |
| 19:32.28 | marsje | hark: that simple huh |
| 19:32.41 | jair | cantido: well I have the netinst cd and will be creating a backup as well |
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| 19:33.00 | cantido | jair: perfect :) |
| 19:33.11 | jelly-home | g00se: if the kernel is upgraded, custom binary modules need to be rebuilt |
| 19:33.14 | enouf | ok, the booting win98 install method was close, but no go - got real close, and will get it eventually, but somehow this MZ MS-DOS Bios .exe file needs to get onto floppy or CD (hence win98 attempt), so ... i'll give biosdisk a go i guess |
| 19:33.15 | hark | YiamiYo: the installing bit or the restarting bit? ;) |
| 19:33.20 | YiamiYo | anyone to help me install wifi drivers? |
| 19:33.24 | marsje | hark: it works... seems that this scanner software installed avahi and I'm not sure if I need it... |
| 19:33.29 | jair | the things is that the hardlock is not a constant issue, it happens sometimes and sometimes does not which make me more interested on a solution |
| 19:33.38 | YiamiYo | hark: i don't have time for jokes...S: |
| 19:33.40 | enouf | (win98 is on a primary partition, but it's not hda1 :-)) |
| 19:33.40 | cantido | enouf: win98 install method... loadlin? |
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| 19:33.51 | enouf | cantido: nah, you got it reversed |
| 19:34.01 | jelly-home | g00se: is xserver-xorg-video-sis installed? |
| 19:34.05 | hark | marsje: libsane? |
| 19:34.11 | cantido | enouf: you're install from windows 98 though? |
| 19:34.18 | marsje | hark: sane-utils |
| 19:34.19 | enouf | cantido: i need to extract this bios upgrade .exe file onto a floppy to flash my other box |
| 19:34.29 | g00se | jelly-home: well it must have been before, i think ;-) Checking ... |
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| 19:34.37 | cantido | enouf: oh, dosemu no good? |
| 19:34.46 | hark | marsje: it's a recommends, you can remove it |
| 19:34.48 | marsje | hark: I'm debugging why my boot process seems to halt for 20 or 30 seconds |
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| 19:35.05 | YiamiYo | anyone?i'm trying this all day... |
| 19:35.09 | enouf | cantido: i could even burn it onto CD and do it, i just don't anyway of extracting/executing that MZ format shit without a FreeDos or WINE or VM |
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| 19:35.25 | enouf | cabextract isn't going to do it, IINM |
| 19:35.29 | cantido | enouf: I think I have a win98 vm if you want me to do it? |
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| 19:36.05 | enouf | cantido: well - i have a win98 install ..but it's not hd0,0 anymore and win98 don't like that ;-) and i have a OEM CD ... thanks though |
| 19:36.24 | cantido | has a windows ME vm .. |
| 19:36.47 | cantido | dosemu in debian uses freedos I think though |
| 19:36.55 | g00se | jelly-home: Only xserver-xorg-video-sisusb now installed. So the has the upgrade uninstalled it!? |
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| 19:37.01 | enouf | cantido: i almost got there with very specific grub edit > command line feeds, but no, then i loaded SBM fron floppy and it found the fat32 fine but just passes it back to grub .. heh |
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| 19:37.03 | YiamiYo | does debian suck?xd |
| 19:37.18 | enouf | cantido: ithought of that too .. might have a look |
| 19:37.37 | enouf | i just hate installing shit for something so trivial, made proprietary to fuck FOSS up |
| 19:37.56 | enouf | so Biosdisk w/memdisk it is |
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| 19:37.57 | cantido | enouf: problem with the vm's is getting the floppy image produced onto a real floppy |
| 19:38.12 | enouf | cantido: ok, thanks - never thought of that - just last option thing |
| 19:38.51 | YiamiYo | i'm so voiceless...>.> |
| 19:39.05 | enouf | rather than try to figure out the specifics of Micropoop's convoluted ASM code and shit., i figure, i'll do that some other time |
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| 19:39.41 | YiamiYo | DOES ANYONE HEAR ME? |
| 19:39.52 | cantido | there is I think a linux package for writing flashroms connecting to motherboards, it's getting the flashrom image out that is a problem |
| 19:40.07 | cantido | s/connecting/connected/ |
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| 19:40.26 | Evet_ | How can I uninstall a package? |
| 19:40.39 | cantido | Evet_: apt-get remove <package> |
| 19:40.44 | g00se | jelly-home: Interesting. Reinstalling it is going to remove xserver-xorg-video-i810. I wonder if the new one is better and x ought to be reconfigured? I know that's a bit specialized, so please suggest another channel where appropriate ;-) |
| 19:40.45 | enouf | cantido: heh, passing grub root (hd0,0)\n chainloader --force (hd0,3)/io.sys\n boot (hd0,3) is great fun :-P |
| 19:41.04 | cantido | enouf: you're trying to actually load windows 98? |
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| 19:41.28 | YiamiYo | pffff |
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| 19:41.33 | enouf | msdos.sys worked a bit, but i had to load the kernel and initrd prior - then .. it dropped me to initramfs busybox |
| 19:41.34 | bluethundr_ | any hints for installing compat-gcc-32-c++-3.2.3 under debian? |
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| 19:41.50 | bluethundr_ | trying to install zimbra and that needs it |
| 19:41.52 | enouf | cantido: yes, to burn/extract this POFS .exe |
| 19:42.14 | cantido | old 386 machine from relative/junk shop :) |
| 19:42.21 | _AnywhereIs_ | heya guyz :) im here to tell you i set up a router today using debian lenny. i set it up on pentium 1, 200 mhz, 64mb ram. after some tweaks it weight around 370 MB, and uses 30-32 mb ram(with nginx webserver onboard). successfully forwards packets with iptables. i love this linux xD |
| 19:42.41 | enouf | cantido: i wonder if the win98 OEM boot CD would have that provision ... hrm .. there's tools on A:\ and B;\ once loaded |
| 19:43.02 | enouf | but i ain't rebooting this system anymore |
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| 19:43.14 | cantido | enouf: windows 98 boot cd has the floppy image + cd fs doesn't it |
| 19:43.36 | enouf | cantido: i forget now .. it has some stuff, yes .. i might be able to pull it off .. somehow |
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| 19:44.08 | aaq- | when i want to install all the devel utils, gcc/binutils/etc is there a gneric package name for all that ? |
| 19:44.10 | cantido | IIRC it loads 2.88mb floppy disk image into ram that has dos + disk utils + cd drivers |
| 19:44.13 | aaq- | or i install it one by one |
| 19:44.23 | enouf | cantido: yeah, it's got the emulation thing happening, so A and B and D (cdrom) drives are avail |
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| 19:44.47 | jelly-home | aaq-: build-essential installs some of that |
| 19:44.53 | enouf | anyways, offtopic for now ... let me report back |
| 19:45.03 | aaq- | jelly-home apt-get install build-essential? |
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| 19:45.17 | cantido | crappy old dos VM WTF! |
| 19:45.30 | cantido | or old laptop stolen from someone |
| 19:45.32 | jelly-home | aaq-: yes |
| 19:45.43 | aaq- | E: Couldn't find package build-essntial |
| 19:45.50 | enouf | cantido: well, i'm going to boot it now and let you know, i don't think it was quite 2.88 .. oh wait, eright the image has to be exactly 1.4xxxxxx MB and the rest are the utils |
| 19:45.54 | cantido | aaq-: you missed an e |
| 19:45.58 | aaq- | even without the typo.. |
| 19:46.05 | aaq- | E: Couldn't find package build-essential |
| 19:46.30 | Worf | then your repositories are borked |
| 19:46.33 | enouf | i gotta switch moinitors over , so bbl , i'm zeroing out a disk there with an ontrack boot cd |
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| 19:46.44 | cantido | enouf: I think it uses that CD floppy emulation thing el te.. something |
| 19:46.48 | YiamiYo | why nobody helps me??? |
| 19:46.51 | aaq- | Worf i updated my source.list and then ran aptitude update |
| 19:46.54 | jelly-home | aaq-: what happends after an apt-get update? |
| 19:46.59 | KeiKurono | http://pastebin.com/d689b0b07 |
| 19:47.04 | cantido | YiamiYo: what's wrong? |
| 19:47.11 | Evet_ | What's the difference between apt-get and aptitude |
| 19:47.21 | YiamiYo | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
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| 19:47.30 | YiamiYo | the "For RTL8187B chipset support, install a backported kernel image from Debian Backports." par |
| 19:47.32 | YiamiYo | part* |
| 19:47.36 | aaq- | jelly-home it was aptitude update, it ran for like 30 mins and in the end it wrote Current status: 0 updates [-35]. |
| 19:47.41 | cantido | Evet_: aptitude has a fancy curses based interface |
| 19:48.18 | jelly-home | aaq-: oh, if you're using aptitude, keep using it (instead of apt-get) |
| 19:48.21 | cantido | YiamiYo: ok, http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/kernel/ |
| 19:48.25 | Worf | Evet_: aptidude does automatically remove unused packages. i think apt-get can do that now too tough |
| 19:48.37 | aaq- | jelly-home i prefer apt-get, i thought the update could be done only thru aptitude |
| 19:48.46 | aaq- | anyway even with aptitude i cant install build-essential |
| 19:48.49 | aaq- | there is no such package. |
| 19:48.51 | YiamiYo | cantino: i already have this: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main |
| 19:48.58 | cantido | YiamiYo: backports are generally kept at backports.org as far as I know |
| 19:49.01 | Worf | i never used the aptitude gui (except for disabling the automatic install of recommends) |
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| 19:49.07 | jelly-home | aaq-: you don't have a complete debian mirror enabled then |
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| 19:49.41 | cantido | YiamiYo: if you do aptitude update and then look at the kernel's available does it not show the newer ones? |
| 19:49.50 | aaq- | jelly-home how do i do that |
| 19:50.01 | enouf | ok, back .. hehe .. that video AGP slot on that dual xeon MP box is shot -- the card is barely hanging -- no support - non-existant (card) retention screw on the opposing side .. ugh dell, they have this cheasy snapin plastic thing, but this nvidia geforce 5500x is just a bit too 'wide' .. ugh |
| 19:50.01 | YiamiYo | cantino: i have a ppc..that's my file: linux-headers-2.6-powerpc (2.6.30+20~bpo50+1) [backports] >? |
| 19:50.01 | jelly-home | aaq-: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list; compare it to /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:50.03 | distatica | Is there a script / tool that anyone is aware of which automatically downloads package dependencies from the debian packages website when you download a package? |
| 19:50.18 | distatica | Similar to apt, but through the website since I need the packages for offline use. |
| 19:50.40 | cantido | yuastnav: PPC.. it should only show the right stuff for your machine.. you need a linux-image package |
| 19:50.40 | jelly-home | !tell distatica -about apt-zip |
| 19:50.45 | enouf | fucken proprietary crap - how'd you like your laptop to "not quite close" ... haha |
| 19:50.53 | aaq- | jelly-home http://paste.debian.net/43152/ |
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| 19:51.32 | YiamiYo | cantino: was that for me? |
| 19:51.38 | enouf | jelly-home: yeah, apt-get |
| 19:51.44 | enouf | er .. i meant distatica |
| 19:51.44 | cantido | YiamiYo: yes, sorry |
| 19:51.44 | Worf | distatica: if you google for "apt offline" you find a bit ... didn't try that myself tough |
| 19:51.45 | distatica | jelly-home, I believe that apt-zip requires I have apt-zip installed on my offline machine, and that I first have that machine update online.. it also requires that my online machine be a debian (or at least linux) box. |
| 19:51.51 | enouf | oh |
| 19:51.58 | enouf | missed the prerequisites |
| 19:52.02 | cantido | YiamiYo: The main part of the kernel is in linux-image-something |
| 19:52.12 | YiamiYo | cantino: confused..:/ what i need? |
| 19:52.17 | jelly-home | aaq-: does "apt-cache policy build-essential" report no versions of that package? |
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| 19:52.20 | YiamiYo | oh |
| 19:52.22 | enouf | distatica: module-assistant will if building modules |
| 19:52.32 | YiamiYo | linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-powerpc (2.6.30-3~bpo50+1) [backports] |
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| 19:52.34 | YiamiYo | is this ok? |
| 19:52.38 | enouf | wait .. er .. |
| 19:52.42 | distatica | Worf, I have looked into that, however did not find anything as simple as downloading the packages directly from the site and installing them |
| 19:52.44 | cantido | YiamiYo: that looks right |
| 19:52.52 | distatica | but this requires manually downloading all the required packages. |
| 19:52.55 | YiamiYo | or this: linux-image-2.6-powerpc (2.6.30+20~bpo50+1) [backports] |
| 19:53.06 | cantido | YiamiYo: Install the headers too though if you need to build modules |
| 19:53.12 | KeiKurono | help pls http://pastebin.com/d689b0b07 |
| 19:53.22 | cantido | YiamiYo: thats a dummy that depends on the latest version :) |
| 19:53.37 | enouf | !apt-build |
| 19:53.38 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-build is an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/projects/ . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful. |
| 19:53.43 | enouf | nm |
| 19:53.44 | jelly-home | distatica: the wiki page says cygwin works, too |
| 19:54.09 | distatica | jelly-home, I suppose that would be alright |
| 19:54.10 | distatica | thank you |
| 19:54.12 | aaq- | jelly-home nop |
| 19:54.28 | enouf | distatica: why fight the debian way = just install it = in a VM, or debootstrap, or debian.exe |
| 19:54.35 | Worf | distatica: well, i think you have to create the package list (and urls to download-list) on the machine you wish to install stuff - because who else should know what you want? |
| 19:54.40 | YiamiYo | cantino: how do i download it?just wget the link? |
| 19:55.01 | enouf | there's apt-ftparchive as well |
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| 19:55.07 | jelly-home | aaq-: if an aptitude update succeeded before, then your mirror, http://mirror.anl.gov/debian/, is broken |
| 19:55.07 | cantido | YiamiYo: you should use apt or aptitude to install it |
| 19:55.17 | jelly-home | aaq-: change it to some other mirror |
| 19:55.28 | aaq- | jelly-home can you paste me your source list ? |
| 19:55.34 | aaq- | someone pasted me this one and i just used it |
| 19:55.38 | erxz_paste | "dpkg" at 71.6.194.243 pasted "just testing" (1 line) at http://erxz.com/pb/19076 |
| 19:55.42 | enouf | nice choice |
| 19:55.49 | enouf | it's called pebkac |
| 19:55.53 | cantido | YiamiYo: if you added that source to your sources.list and updated you should have those packages available |
| 19:55.58 | Worf | jelly-home: http://mirror.anl.gov/debian/pool/main/b/build-essential/ looks ok tough |
| 19:56.09 | jelly-home | aaq-: you have an example file on your system |
| 19:56.17 | enouf | Worf: it's a meta-package |
| 19:56.26 | enouf | Worf: it needs to pull in many others |
| 19:56.27 | Worf | ups .. |
| 19:56.30 | jelly-home | Worf: I'm trusting the user to be telling the truth! :-D |
| 19:56.31 | Worf | true |
| 19:56.32 | enouf | !metapackage |
| 19:56.33 | dpkg | well, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 19:56.46 | TrueDD | re |
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| 19:57.01 | Worf | jelly-home: no, users never tell the truth! :) |
| 19:57.17 | jelly-home | "didn't change a thing" |
| 19:57.24 | jelly-home | "it just stopped working" |
| 19:57.33 | enouf | haha |
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| 19:57.40 | enouf | !bofh |
| 19:57.41 | dpkg | hmm... bofh is http://bofh.ntk.net (borked) or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done Bastard Operator from Hell, read it. at http://members.iinet.net.au/~bofh/. BOFHs hang out on http://scarydevilmonastery.net and wield LARTs |
| 19:57.44 | aaq- | jelly-home to cp /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list instead of my current one? |
| 19:58.23 | jelly-home | aaq-: you can do that. Or you can just replace the main two lines from your current mirror to, say, http.us.debian.org |
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| 19:59.07 | jelly-home | aaq-: pastebin the output of aptitude update if it fails to work after that, too |
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| 20:00.05 | YiamiYo | installed...now just reboot and it'll boot from that kernel? |
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| 20:00.38 | Worf | YiamiYo: your boot loader knows about that new kernel? :) |
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| 20:00.56 | YiamiYo | i don't think so... |
| 20:01.05 | YiamiYo | i use yaboot... |
| 20:01.23 | enouf | cantido: fwiw, since the video card is not seated properly, i even lost video on the xeon i'm doing this zerowrite to disk from booted ontrack cd .. so, i'll just wait for the HDD LED to stop blinking :-) .. but fwiw, if you want to know what i'm dealing with; http://www.mossywell.com/boot%2Dsequence/ |
| 20:01.31 | jelly-home | !ppc |
| 20:01.32 | dpkg | ppc is, like, is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 20:01.46 | YiamiYo | looool |
| 20:01.59 | YiamiYo | there is #debianppc and i'm still here?xDDD |
| 20:02.40 | enouf | haha @ "How did ECHS affect DOS and Windows 95?" |
| 20:02.44 | jelly-home | yeah, with the whole 16 users in it |
| 20:02.53 | YiamiYo | lol.. |
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| 20:03.09 | YiamiYo | ok..i booted from new kernel...yaboot is good:) |
| 20:03.25 | enouf | YiamiYo: where are you located geographically? |
| 20:03.31 | YiamiYo | gr |
| 20:03.37 | enouf | continent is ok ;-) |
| 20:03.39 | enouf | ok |
| 20:03.40 | KeiKurono | http://pastebin.com/d689b0b07 |
| 20:03.41 | YiamiYo | ? |
| 20:03.43 | Worf | so you have to choose between 16 users who know something about ppc and a herd of <censored> that have no clue :) |
| 20:04.08 | enouf | YiamiYo: mailing you a full 7200/200 powermac isn't in my budget :-P |
| 20:04.13 | YiamiYo | 99.99% possibilities to be awy all of them..xd |
| 20:04.16 | YiamiYo | away* |
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| 20:04.37 | YiamiYo | enouf, wtf?xD |
| 20:04.40 | jelly-home | YiamiYo: it's Saturday evening, all normal people are afk! |
| 20:05.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | can anyone provide me a good guide to use pulse audio instead of alsa for lenny? |
| 20:05.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | would be helpful enough to setup my multichannel audio |
| 20:05.15 | YiamiYo | i wasn't,i'm not and i'm not gonna be normal!!ever!! :P |
| 20:05.35 | Worf | those that just returned from a whole day at the swimming lake and try to distract themself from the sunburn, those for example are not afk right now ... |
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| 20:05.56 | YiamiYo | going to try the new kernel...if thsi doesn't work i'm gonna jup off the window...xd |
| 20:05.58 | jelly-home | gives Worf some yoghurt |
| 20:05.59 | YiamiYo | this* |
| 20:06.04 | YiamiYo | jump* |
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| 20:06.12 | enouf | YiamiYo: http://support.apple.com/kb/SP364 .. but i posted a thread on debian-ppc mailing list in like feb |
| 20:06.33 | Worf | wonders if he can have the ppc if YiamiYo did jump out the window ... |
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| 20:06.56 | enouf | jelly-home: why's the sun shining in the evening! |
| 20:06.57 | Deby | Hello motto:P |
| 20:06.57 | enouf | ? |
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| 20:07.03 | KeiKurono | pls nobody ? |
| 20:07.08 | Deby | I've a Debian lenny |
| 20:07.12 | Deby | its Greats |
| 20:07.13 | Deby | :D |
| 20:07.21 | enouf | jelly-home: i mean sunburn sun, not some ambient shit |
| 20:07.27 | pipeline | YiamiYo: the only ppc hardware worth a damn is chrp, better try #ibm :D |
| 20:07.32 | Deby | Arrivedercci |
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| 20:07.36 | jelly-home | enouf: sun in .gr is unlikely right now |
| 20:07.51 | enouf | jelly-home: oh - did not consider the tzdata :-P |
| 20:08.08 | KeiKurono | i am begin to think .deb are bad ? |
| 20:08.12 | aaq- | jelly-home this build-essential is just a name of a package? apt-cache search should find it? |
| 20:08.12 | enouf | jelly-home: except for moi :-P |
| 20:08.14 | jelly-home | enouf: you did ask him for the continent |
| 20:08.20 | jelly-home | aaq-: yes. |
| 20:08.34 | enouf | jelly-home: but that wasn't my reference |
| 20:08.39 | jelly-home | judd: versions build-essential |
| 20:08.40 | judd | jelly-home: build-essential -- etch: 11.3 lenny: 11.4 sid: 11.4 squeeze: 11.4 |
| 20:08.41 | enouf | my reference is my seat |
| 20:08.45 | KeiKurono | or have to file the bug? http://pastebin.com/d689b0b07 |
| 20:09.16 | enouf | and .. you _were_ referring to IRC help, AFAICT |
| 20:09.24 | Worf | KeiKurono: your problem is you don't manage to uninstall it? |
| 20:09.26 | enouf | which is international, last i looked |
| 20:09.57 | KeiKurono | Worf, no, is that i can't see the new flashplayer in iceweasel plugin, but the old one, not working |
| 20:10.04 | jair | if I want find a bug on debian and it's status where should I go? the bug is related to the " Thinkpad T61p hardlock flashing caps lock " but I see it on ubuntu but if I am looking for it on debian bugs? |
| 20:10.07 | KeiKurono | Worf, so i can't watch video |
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| 20:10.41 | enouf | jair: which debian release are you using, and which kernel version? |
| 20:10.52 | jelly-home | jair: "flashing caps lock" is what happens on a kernel panic, if you're lucky |
| 20:10.53 | enouf | jair: and which pkg in ubuntu is it filed against? |
| 20:11.09 | KeiKurono | i'm on debian lenny kernel 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:11.33 | enouf | oh, i missed the silly 'hardlock at boot' bit |
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| 20:11.57 | KeiKurono | that .deb is broke i suppose, trying now with ubuntu one from abode site |
| 20:12.05 | enouf | no LEDs work on my keyboard, maybe you should consider disabling yours ;-) |
| 20:12.06 | Worf | hmm. i know the debian package actually just is a script that downlodas and installs the flash player ... (you know, licence stuff, etc..) - but ... it should work. |
| 20:12.11 | jelly-home | KeiKurono: which distro are you using? |
| 20:12.16 | KeiKurono | i'm on debian lenny kernel 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:12.19 | jelly-home | oh, neverminf that |
| 20:12.22 | Worf | question is: why does KeiKurono not use apt or so? |
| 20:12.29 | jair | enouf: I am using debian lenny 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sun Jul 26 21:25:33 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux 32bit |
| 20:12.36 | KeiKurono | Worf, ? i have used it |
| 20:12.48 | jelly-home | KeiKurono: do not use packages for ubuntu. |
| 20:12.50 | enouf | the -686 tels me 32bit - but thanks |
| 20:13.08 | Worf | KeiKurono: oh? sorry - in the pastebin i did look at it didin't look that way ... |
| 20:13.10 | jair | enouf: :) I knew but told you anyway |
| 20:13.16 | jair | enouf: jair@fernando:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:13.16 | jair | 5.0.2 |
| 20:13.17 | KeiKurono | jelly-home, then how can i solve ? |
| 20:13.24 | enouf | jair: you da man/person/shehe |
| 20:13.30 | enouf | ;-) |
| 20:13.45 | enouf | jair: cat /etc/issue.net ;-) |
| 20:13.54 | KeiKurono | Worf i tried to remove and reinstalling (apt-get) iceweasel and that flashplayer-mozilla but not working |
| 20:13.56 | jelly-home | KeiKurono: /msg dpkg flash |
| 20:14.05 | jair | enouf: people from ubuntu think is related to the wireless adapter and I think it may be right |
| 20:14.08 | enouf | jelly-home: anyways, which pkg is it filed against? |
| 20:14.16 | enouf | tried ##ibmthinkpad ? |
| 20:14.19 | jelly-home | enouf: sorry? |
| 20:14.24 | KeiKurono | jelly-home, ? |
| 20:14.30 | enouf | jelly-home: bad tab |
| 20:14.36 | jair | jelly-home: yes I heard that was a kernel panic :( |
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| 20:14.41 | enouf | jair: anyways, which pkg is it filed against? |
| 20:14.50 | Worf | KeiKurono: i'd remove everything, double check nothing is left, and try again ... other than that i have not much ideas |
| 20:15.06 | jelly-home | KeiKurono: it's an irc command -- type it in |
| 20:15.11 | KeiKurono | Worf, for everything you mean? |
| 20:15.17 | jair | enouf: http://people.canonical.com/~brian//reports/gt5comments/linux.html I do not see information about the package |
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| 20:15.32 | jelly-home | KeiKurono: you should get a private message from dpkg then |
| 20:15.36 | jair | if you search there for hardlock capslock flahing |
| 20:15.36 | KeiKurono | jelly-home, done yes |
| 20:15.40 | jair | flashing |
| 20:15.44 | jair | you will find it |
| 20:15.54 | enouf | jair: find out - perhaps it's something causing the kernel to panic, like, linux-modules-extra or something |
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| 20:16.13 | Worf | KeiKurono: well, every incarnation of the flash package you might find :) |
| 20:16.17 | enouf | jair: i have my own issues, thanks ;-) |
| 20:16.20 | jelly-home | jair: that doesn't mean a thing -- caps flashing is a generic way to tell there's a kernel panic. |
| 20:16.31 | jair | enouf: well I am sure that have to be related to the non-free packages for the wireless intel adapter 4965agn |
| 20:16.42 | enouf | jair: well, that's a start |
| 20:16.46 | KeiKurono | Worf, i see thanks btw |
| 20:16.53 | enouf | !nuke intel |
| 20:16.53 | dpkg | fires a 40 gigaton thermonuclear weapon at enouf |
| 20:17.04 | KeiKurono | jelly-home, thanks but what is this bot?? <dpkg> are you using Windows? |
| 20:17.04 | enouf | er.. dpkg; you suck |
| 20:17.04 | KeiKurono | <KeiKurono> no |
| 20:17.04 | KeiKurono | <dpkg> No Offense |
| 20:17.28 | jair | jelly-home: this error only appears when i am connecting the system with wireless, when I am running the machine from ethernet I don't get any of the kernel panics |
| 20:17.31 | jelly-home | dpkg: what are you |
| 20:17.32 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 20:17.34 | zmen01 | how can i replace sll instances in a file of | for ; ? |
| 20:17.43 | enouf | dpkg: where were you? |
| 20:17.43 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 20:18.07 | enouf | zmen01: what? learn monospace fonts |
| 20:18.08 | KeiKurono | jelly-home, eheh The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org> |
| 20:18.18 | KeiKurono | i used that :( |
| 20:18.28 | KeiKurono | trying to remove everything once again |
| 20:18.36 | jair | enouf: the things is that I has been reading all the other people using ubuntu and it is very similar to mine. basically ethernet = stable ---> wireless = kernel panic |
| 20:19.04 | enouf | jair: that 'chain' you draw out makes no sense to me ... but ok |
| 20:19.13 | enouf | jair: oh |
| 20:19.21 | enouf | jair: stop with the ---> |
| 20:19.22 | jelly-home | jair: have you checked out thinkwiki.org yet? |
| 20:19.42 | jair | enouf: "ethernet = stable ---> wireless = kernel panic" |
| 20:19.50 | enouf | jair: "basically ethernet = stable || wireless = kernel panic" |
| 20:19.57 | jair | yes |
| 20:19.58 | enouf | makes more sense |
| 20:20.05 | jair | ok sorry |
| 20:20.05 | jair | ok |
| 20:20.09 | enouf | no worries |
| 20:20.10 | Worf | jair: i have no clue about your adapter, but my new netbook-wlan greately improved after switching to a new kernel - lot's of wlan updates the last kernel releases ... |
| 20:20.15 | jair | jelly-home: not yet, but I will do that right now |
| 20:20.37 | jelly-home | !thinkpad |
| 20:20.37 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models may restrict Mini PCI card usage, see http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/wireless.html . See also <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ http://forum.thinkpads.com/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:20.41 | enouf | jair: OR .. does it only happen when IPMasq'ing? |
| 20:20.41 | jair | Worf: what kernel did you use currently? |
| 20:20.53 | jair | thank you jelly-home I will check that |
| 20:21.00 | Worf | jair: 2.6.30 from lenny-backports |
| 20:21.06 | enouf | jair: the " -->' would/migh imply that |
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| 20:21.30 | jair | Worf: that is what I was thinking on use if I continue getting the freezing kernel panic |
| 20:21.38 | enouf | jair: are you sending input from wired---> wireless ? |
| 20:22.00 | Ergo^ | hey, im writing cross platform application that would allow to download deb packages + all dependancies for debian/ubuntu, i finished the part where we download all the package definitions and save them to db, and where we can query db for depending packages |
| 20:22.07 | jair | enouf: I am not connecting wired at all on my home all wireless |
| 20:22.08 | enouf | jair: the channel i told you about has a /topic ;-) |
| 20:22.17 | enouf | what? |
| 20:22.22 | enouf | how does that answer me? |
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| 20:22.40 | jair | enouf: I did not get your question right |
| 20:22.41 | Ergo^ | now im not sure how do i solve the problem of dependancies, how to judge where to stop querying for depending packages ? |
| 20:22.42 | enouf | stops caring |
| 20:22.59 | jair | fine man. |
| 20:23.08 | jelly-home | Ergo^: usually one stops at whatever's already installed |
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| 20:23.29 | jair | Worf: thank you so much for the tip I think I will have to try the BP kernel |
| 20:23.39 | shadowmaster | is there any relatively simple way to use an Internet-enabled computer as a package source/repository for an Internet-less computer? |
| 20:23.41 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: the trick is i want that to work even on windows etc. to be able to create a list of packages one can get on pendrive to install on system |
| 20:24.08 | Ergo^ | the problem is, lets say i want to install python package |
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| 20:24.42 | jelly-home | Ergo^: you need to have a list of already installed packages on that system, in advance |
| 20:24.45 | XTF | Hi. If I use apt-get source and then edit files, is there like an svn diff cmd that diffs against the original source? |
| 20:24.48 | Worf | Ergo^: uh then you specify python as dependency when building the .deb, and let apt on the users machine handle the rest |
| 20:25.13 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: so its undoable without that ? |
| 20:25.19 | enouf | jair: trust me, i stopped 'caring and believing' long before i met you ;-) so .. please continue with your queries, i'll just stay out of it .. we're cool man |
| 20:25.21 | Worf | Ergo^: if you are nice, you provide the users with a repository link |
| 20:25.35 | Ergo^ | Worf: its meant for users without network acccess ;-) |
| 20:25.45 | jelly-home | Ergo^: you also need to know which repos the user has enabled |
| 20:25.50 | jelly-home | Ergo^: /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 20:25.54 | enouf | jair: i have my own frustrations going on - so i apologize about that response |
| 20:26.03 | Ergo^ | i guess i should have list of preinstalled packages for ubuntu/debian for basic desktop |
| 20:26.05 | Worf | Ergo^: debian users have network access. period. :D |
| 20:26.29 | enouf | er s/frust../computer frus.../ |
| 20:26.45 | KeiKurono | not working |
| 20:26.46 | jelly-home | Worf: nonsense, things like apt-zip or apt-walkabout wouldn't exist then |
| 20:26.53 | enouf | KeiKurono: try harder |
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| 20:26.58 | Worf | jelly-home: ok :) |
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| 20:27.02 | jelly-home | judd: info apt-walkabout |
| 20:27.19 | jair | enouf: I said fine. and I notice when someone know nothing about something when start asking thinks that do not make any sense. So good luck my friend I will still here and will be able to help people and provide support to newbies like me. That is what i care about in helping others so they don't get frustrated and abandon the usage of debian =) |
| 20:27.29 | enouf | Ergo^: us unices loathe homogenization |
| 20:27.49 | KeiKurono | i tried even with flashplugin-nonfree package, not working |
| 20:27.50 | enouf | jair: ok - into the bozo box you go - have fun ;-) |
| 20:27.50 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: nice solution, but i want it to work on windows machines etc |
| 20:28.09 | jelly-home | Ergo^: apt-zip works with cygwin |
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| 20:28.34 | Ergo^ | why do you guys insist on hard way of doing things where i want to contribute a tool to do it easy way :D |
| 20:28.37 | jelly-home | Ergo^: I haven't checked the other solutions, there's more than one already existing. |
| 20:29.01 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: i didnt found anything that would be cross platform |
| 20:29.05 | jelly-home | Ergo^: just saying, you might be reinventing the wheel here |
| 20:29.12 | Ergo^ | anyways please listen to me a while more |
| 20:29.17 | enouf | no |
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| 20:29.25 | enouf | go away |
| 20:29.33 | jelly-home | enouf: dude, chill |
| 20:29.37 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 20:29.53 | Ergo^ | i think that if i prepare default package lists for debian/buntu desktop then i could filter out stuff that is presumed already present in default distribution |
| 20:30.08 | KeiKurono | do you have flashplayer plugin in your iceweasel ? |
| 20:30.09 | jair | so how can I find if there is a bug number for that problem "thinkpad t61p hardlock flashing capslock Debian Lenny"? |
| 20:30.23 | enouf | jelly-home: you sense they have something possibly important to contribute? or is your republicrat redhat being worn ;-) |
| 20:30.27 | Ergo^ | and just generate a list of packages my app would download |
| 20:30.39 | jair | I am on the bugs page of debian but I wonder if someone already submitted a bug on this issue |
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| 20:30.52 | enouf | jelly-home: windows "compatibilty" ? .. i mean, c'mon man |
| 20:31.09 | jelly-home | Ergo^: the only thing you can rely on in Debian is the base system. Ubuntu might be a more complete setup by default _unless_ the user used the expert installer |
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| 20:31.27 | enouf | only? |
| 20:31.30 | enouf | are you mad? |
| 20:31.45 | jelly-home | enouf: I'm sorry you can't see the usefulness of a decent apt downloader that works anywhere. |
| 20:31.52 | enouf | yeah, install using cygwin -- that'll get you great results |
| 20:31.59 | enouf | jelly-home: no |
| 20:32.02 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 20:32.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hello, can anyone provide me a good guide to replace alsa with pulse audio for lenny? would be nice |
| 20:32.27 | enouf | jelly-home: apt wasn't written with redmond OS FSTypes in mind |
| 20:32.27 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: i was thinking that for debian i would *assume* , base+desktop, because the target audience would be "average guy" who has os installed and wants some more goodies |
| 20:32.38 | enouf | jelly-home: want a rewrite? |
| 20:32.41 | jelly-home | Ergo^: that'd be wrong. |
| 20:32.46 | enouf | or .. a workaround? |
| 20:32.48 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: why ? |
| 20:33.00 | enouf | i'm sick of even the aptitude assholes messing with my APT |
| 20:33.15 | enouf | my apt-cache takes TONS longer now |
| 20:33.17 | enouf | thanks |
| 20:33.17 | jelly-home | Ergo^: because there's no guarantee your user a) installed the defaults, b) uses debian stable i386 |
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| 20:33.34 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: nop, who told about i386 ? |
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| 20:33.43 | jelly-home | Ergo^: in most cases you need to collect at least some data about that debian system |
| 20:33.55 | Jvlaple | http://www.noelshack.com/uploads/16062009/photo10097605.jpg |
| 20:33.57 | enouf | !ports |
| 20:33.58 | Worf | Ergo^: my "default" is approximately what you get when you do debootstrap, and depending on the system there sometimes is little more. not sure what would be the best to do in your case. what i know is that you propably should not provide packages that are part of debian, but at maximum link them. and i would wish a nice repository, so i don't have to manually install or check for updates :) |
| 20:33.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/ or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
| 20:33.59 | Jvlaple | why this happen T_T |
| 20:34.02 | Ergo^ | it already supports i386 + amd64 |
| 20:34.05 | Jvlaple | http://www.noelshack.com/uploads/16062009/photo10097605.jpg |
| 20:34.08 | Jvlaple | why dis happen |
| 20:34.34 | jelly-home | Ergo^: and if you're collecting it anyway, you might as well pick up the whole dpkg and apt shebang and use libapt to download the rest |
| 20:34.59 | enouf | or .. just use debian |
| 20:35.29 | paxcoder | calls for banning Jvlaple |
| 20:35.37 | enouf | or that + other unices even, preferably GNU/Linux OSes |
| 20:35.38 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: well the purpose of that app is just to provide you with a dir that contains the debs you want on final machine, for inexperienced user that uses pc as workstation |
| 20:35.43 | jelly-home | enouf: um, the whole point of apt-zip is that your debian system is offline |
| 20:35.52 | enouf | jelly-home: nobody cares |
| 20:36.21 | Ergo^ | enouf: stubborness like yours makes linux not being adopted widely |
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| 20:36.45 | Ergo^ | insisting on making things hard for non technical ppl will not help anyone |
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| 20:37.04 | enouf | you think i care Ergo^ ? it's people whom promote corruption that make FOSS puke |
| 20:37.11 | enouf | like you |
| 20:37.23 | jelly-home | Ergo^: sorry, it seems -devel talk on this channel isn't that appreciated any more by some people |
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| 20:37.37 | Ergo^ | corruption ? oh enlighten me how does generating a dir full of debs is corruption ? |
| 20:37.46 | enouf | yeah, take your wintendo weenie talks elsewhere |
| 20:38.02 | enouf | Ergo^: to "work with windows"? |
| 20:38.08 | enouf | are you joking? |
| 20:38.11 | jelly-home | Ergo^: best to ignore the trolling and concentrate on the tech talk |
| 20:38.25 | Ergo^ | hehe, i plan to write a Titanium app |
| 20:38.37 | enouf | yeah - get technical about nothing that matters, like most DE devels dp |
| 20:38.39 | Ergo^ | that means runtime will work on windows/osx/linux |
| 20:38.41 | jelly-home | enouf: you're out of line. If you want to call it offtopic, say so, or keep quiet |
| 20:38.42 | enouf | help yourseld |
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| 20:39.06 | enouf | jelly-home: you're going into the bozo box soon |
| 20:39.37 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: it would be just automating the process of downloading packages from herehttp://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 20:39.40 | jelly-home | Ergo^: we can easily move this to #debian-devel on irc.debian.org |
| 20:39.55 | Ergo^ | sure |
| 20:40.04 | enouf | stop trying to homogenize a 'decent' system with othe POFS! |
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| 20:40.13 | Ergo^ | enouf: with what ? |
| 20:40.19 | Ergo^ | you want to make a point make it |
| 20:40.19 | paxcoder | tries to understand what enouf and Ergo^ talked about but fails |
| 20:40.41 | Ergo^ | or dont try to discuss things you dont understand because right now thats my impression |
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| 20:40.51 | jelly-home | Ergo^: /ignore is your friend ... enouf sometimes gets into a funny mood, but he's usually a decent fella |
| 20:40.54 | enouf | haha @ "runtime will work on windows/osx/linux" |
| 20:41.08 | Ergo^ | enouf: heard of adobe AIR ? |
| 20:41.32 | Ergo^ | titanium is open source equivalent of that |
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| 20:42.45 | enouf | Ergo^: jelly-home is an intelligent fellow, and knowledgable, and helpful ; however, he has no concept of "world view" many times, perhaps a bit naive, but i'm not going to make presumptions |
| 20:42.52 | Ergo^ | jelly-home: runtime would also work on iphone/androind but thats kinda usless for this app |
| 20:42.59 | enouf | Ergo^: no |
| 20:43.08 | jelly-home | Ergo^: there's some issues that'll be hard to solve without collecting info on the destination system, like when security updates happen and you have to both update versions of packages that are already installed _and_ install new |
| 20:43.10 | Ergo^ | or maybe not if there is storage place to store the packages |
| 20:43.18 | enouf | adobe dies with posix |
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| 20:44.09 | enouf | s/dies/died with/ |
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| 20:44.43 | jair | Worf: you were having the kernel panic when using the default lenny kernel? |
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| 20:45.03 | jair | Worf: did you find anyone filling a bug report on BTS? |
| 20:45.36 | enouf | anyone have 'debian' issues? :-P where's stoned when you need him O_o |
| 20:45.45 | Worf | jair: no, rather dissconnects and other weird stuff. but as i mentioned: i have no clue about your adapter. i just wanted to mention that lot's of wlan related stuff was being improved the last releases |
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| 20:46.10 | enouf | jair: try a bpo kernel? |
| 20:46.22 | enouf | a .30 |
| 20:47.17 | jair | enouf: that is what I will try next, what I am trying to find out is, if there is a bug already reported on this issue for the kernel 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:47.44 | aaq- | jelly-home works now thanks |
| 20:48.22 | enouf | hrmmph .. i have to check whether my steak is done ... and if my zerofill write is done ;-) |
| 20:48.40 | jair | Worf: my adapter is: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 20:48.55 | enouf | 0-fill == not done :-( |
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| 20:55.13 | yggdrasil | hello can cansomone help me make a localte locate command this will locate .jpgs in a folder and subfloders and copy them to another folder in ~ |
| 20:55.21 | yggdrasil | i had done it once.. and i know it was long |
| 20:55.31 | enouf | yggdrasil: depends |
| 20:55.39 | enouf | what's /etc/updatedb say |
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| 20:55.54 | yggdrasil | looa |
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| 20:55.58 | yggdrasil | ahck wait brb |
| 20:56.04 | yggdrasil | ™™ |
| 20:56.11 | enouf | yggdrasil: check out what the scripts in /etc/cron.* do and see /etc/crontab for times |
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| 20:56.48 | valdyn | yggdrasil: find . -name "*.jpg" -exec cp '{}' /path/to/destination/ ';' |
| 20:56.49 | aaq- | which package contains zlib.so zlib.h etc? |
| 20:56.49 | zmen01 | I have 2 files, with about a 1000 lines, both start with a serial number, 9 digits, followed by a ; - all these lines starting with 9 digits, a lot in both files are duplicates, now i like to see, check what file1 doesn't have, but file2 has (the first 9 digits code) <- is it possible to do this in bash? |
| 20:57.18 | enouf | yggdrasil: no, 'locate' won't copy them, but are you looking to use as a faster Db than what 'find' does? |
| 20:57.36 | aaq- | libz that is |
| 20:57.47 | marcompile | what package contains the C reference manpages? |
| 20:57.49 | enouf | aaq-: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:57.58 | enouf | aaq-: /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:58.16 | valdyn | !tell marcompile -about search |
| 20:58.31 | aaq- | enouf can i search the files themselves inside packages that i didnt download? |
| 20:58.36 | Wyzard | marcompile: manpages-dev |
| 20:58.41 | enouf | seems out of sync with valdyn .. /me has some steak ;-) |
| 20:58.53 | enouf | Sirloin to be honest ;-) |
| 20:59.00 | enouf | aaq-: read |
| 20:59.17 | enouf | or can you not notice the PMs that [dpkg] the bot sent you? |
| 20:59.37 | marcompile | Wyzard: thank you |
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| 20:59.42 | aaq- | it didnt send me cuz you typed /msg with my nick before it but i read it anyway |
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| 20:59.49 | aaq- | it says only for installed packages |
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| 21:00.42 | maddash | hi |
| 21:00.48 | maddash | I'm having a problem with my rtc |
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| 21:00.51 | zenwryly | Is there a way to use a directory with *.debs in it but no Packages file as an apt source? |
| 21:01.05 | enouf | aaq-: wrong, read again |
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| 21:01.31 | enouf | zenwryly: why? |
| 21:01.33 | valdyn | zenwryly: why cant you generate the Packages file? |
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| 21:02.44 | enouf | valdyn: jelly-home doesn't realize .. these are the stupid kind of questions that go along with trying to homogenize redmond + FOSS .. hehe . what a dump |
| 21:03.04 | zenwryly | enouf, valdyn: err, sorry. A *web page/directory" not a local one. |
| 21:03.07 | maddash | ... |
| 21:03.16 | maddash | wtf |
| 21:03.26 | jelly-home | ? |
| 21:03.26 | enouf | your rtc sucks ass |
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| 21:03.42 | maddash | testing testing |
| 21:03.51 | enouf | on-two-three ? |
| 21:03.59 | enouf | er one-two-three ? |
| 21:04.04 | maddash | argh wtf did you guys mute me? |
| 21:04.06 | jelly-home | !greet maddash |
| 21:04.07 | dpkg | Nihao, maddash |
| 21:04.18 | maddash | I can't send my quesiton in its entirety |
| 21:04.24 | enouf | haha |
| 21:04.26 | jelly-home | maddash: HAI |
| 21:04.28 | maddash | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.30 | enouf | truncate it |
| 21:04.42 | maddash | oh heh. "/etc/init.d/..." was interpreted as an irc command |
| 21:04.56 | enouf | maddash: you have a udev or timer issue |
| 21:04.58 | phorce1 | no, he was starting a ? with a / and not putting a ' ' before it |
| 21:05.27 | enouf | maddash: when you boot, you end up having a /dev/rtc* ? |
| 21:05.34 | jelly-home | maddash: stupid workaround: put the module in initramfs |
| 21:05.37 | enouf | phorce1: indeed! |
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| 21:05.44 | enouf | !win phorce1 |
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| 21:05.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, phorce1! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 21:05.46 | valdyn | maddash: are you not using a debian kernel? |
| 21:05.47 | maddash | enouf: i forgot to mention that after boot has finished, I can 'modprobe rtc && /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh' manually |
| 21:05.59 | maddash | valdyn: yes, debian kernel |
| 21:06.10 | enouf | maddash: then it _shouldn't_ be a hardware issue |
| 21:06.10 | valdyn | maddash: you dont need the rtc module for this in debian |
| 21:06.22 | enouf | depends on kernel version! |
| 21:06.35 | jelly-home | maddash: uname -r? |
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| 21:06.43 | phorce1 | has a /dev/rtc --- if you use an initramfs it should probably load rtc in there |
| 21:06.48 | valdyn | maddash: rtc module has an entirely different purpose than being a clock |
| 21:06.53 | enouf | suppose you boot a .26 with hpet=force ? |
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| 21:07.06 | maddash | jelly-home: 2.6.26.8 |
| 21:07.12 | jelly-home | maddash: not debian |
| 21:07.15 | enouf | not Debian |
| 21:07.15 | jelly-home | ;-P |
| 21:07.20 | maddash | eh? |
| 21:07.25 | enouf | happy hunting |
| 21:07.28 | lucas_ | I currently have a tarball of 2.6.26, a unified diff of Gumstix patches, and some build scripts |
| 21:07.51 | lucas_ | I'd like to cross-compile a newer kernel on this machine for the ARM chip, and I'd like to incorporate Debian-specific patches (and I'm sure there are tons) |
| 21:07.54 | maddash | the hwclock.sh script needs /dev/rtc, which only exists after 'rtc' is loaded...this never became an issue until recently |
| 21:07.56 | lucas_ | I'm on Fedora 11 right now |
| 21:07.58 | valdyn | maddash: and debian has *no* rtc module at all |
| 21:07.59 | lucas_ | how can I do this? |
| 21:08.19 | valdyn | maddash: so thats an issue you need to take up with your custom kernel |
| 21:08.26 | maddash | valdyn: you sound quite sure. has this issue come up somewhere else before? |
| 21:08.46 | valdyn | maddash: its not very hard to test if debian has an rtc module |
| 21:08.51 | maddash | valdyn: ie, is there a reason why debian definitely has no rtc module? |
| 21:08.53 | enouf | heh |
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| 21:08.59 | pred2k4 | hello, Im using a webserver software, that does not check connections via keepalive. my problem is, that the underlying socket isnt closed and when I do "netstat -tapn" the tcp connection is still alive (CONNECTED, send-q filling), though the test client isnt attached to the network anymore.. after about 15minutes the connection is recognized as being dead. how to control this "15min value" ? |
| 21:08.59 | zmen01 | i like to strip everything on each line of a file, after 9digits| and do this for each line, can this be done with bash? |
| 21:09.11 | valdyn | maddash: i dont really care about the reason, its a simple fact |
| 21:09.31 | enouf | lucas_: might want to /msg dpkg listvals arm |
| 21:09.43 | project2501a | zmen01: yes, it can be done with bash |
| 21:09.47 | enouf | lucas_: er might want to /msg dpkg listkeys arm |
| 21:09.50 | maddash | valdyn: really? because hwclock.sh REQUIRES /dev/rtc, which requires a 'rtc' module to be present. |
| 21:09.56 | phorce1 | maddash: lsmod|grep rtc here shows nothing at all and I *do* have a /dev/rtc --- so valdyn and everyone else are correct |
| 21:10.00 | valdyn | maddash: no it doesnt |
| 21:10.05 | maddash | valdyn: oh, and hwclock.sh is part of the util-linux package |
| 21:10.10 | valdyn | maddash: its compiled in, its not a module |
| 21:10.10 | zmen01 | project2501a, any idea how? |
| 21:10.13 | enouf | maddash: your script sucks too |
| 21:10.15 | phorce1 | has always had a working rtc so never really looked into WHY it works |
| 21:10.18 | project2501a | zmen01: yes, i do. |
| 21:10.28 | lucas_ | not seeing much. but the main issue is that I'm in Fedora, so the usual Debian kernel build routines probably won't work |
| 21:10.32 | maddash | enouf: my script is the debian script, genius. insult slower. |
| 21:10.37 | jelly-home | maddash: grep RTC /boot/config-2.6.26-?-686 says they have some stuff set as =Y |
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| 21:10.43 | zmen01 | project2501a, lol |
| 21:10.47 | project2501a | zmen01: man awk, or man cut ;) |
| 21:10.48 | zmen01 | project2501a, maybe know how? |
| 21:11.01 | enouf | ~$ grep RTC /boot/config-2.6.* | pi |
| 21:11.02 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1515152 |
| 21:11.29 | maddash | jelly-home: that was my first guess, but I'm trying to figure out if there's some bug report somewhere that set the precedent for rtc being compiled into the kernel |
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| 21:11.35 | enouf | maddash: you obviously have no idea how to riun Debian |
| 21:11.47 | enouf | go back to windows |
| 21:11.48 | jelly-home | ... |
| 21:11.49 | maddash | enouf: no, I don't |
| 21:11.57 | project2501a | enouf: you're my hero! |
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| 21:12.04 | valdyn | maddash: it could be a design decision, it could be a solution to a bug, who cares |
| 21:12.04 | project2501a | zmen01: i'm not gonna give you the eazy answer mate. it's very easy: a for loop and a cut. maybe a small regex. |
| 21:12.05 | enouf | s/riun/run/ |
| 21:12.28 | maddash | valdyn: I care? because this never became an issue until the past few weeks? |
| 21:12.30 | enouf | jelly-home: there's your future collective brain .. help them |
| 21:12.50 | enouf | !friend project2501a |
| 21:12.52 | maddash | gah, I have no time for this stupidity |
| 21:13.03 | project2501a | enouf: marry me? |
| 21:13.05 | enouf | maddash: right - windows vista it is |
| 21:13.08 | maddash | all hinder, no help |
| 21:13.14 | enouf | project2501a: have my babies? |
| 21:13.17 | project2501a | maddash: no, we just don't help lusers |
| 21:13.19 | maddash | enouf: by 'this' I meant #debian |
| 21:13.27 | project2501a | enouf: richard stallman as our best man! |
| 21:13.34 | Dominicus | Here's an interesting one. Why would I get a message to at least two of by gnome-terminal bash terminal windows stating that "kernel:[111524.117246] Disabling IRQ #23". Which happens to coincide with when I turned my monitor back on, that has a USB hub built into it, which normally serves by Mouse, Printer, USB2Serial Adapter, and Webcam. Is that normal? Also, all of the USB ports on the back of my system no longer appear to be fun |
| 21:13.34 | valdyn | maddash: what do you want? we gave you whats wrong and we gave you the solution |
| 21:13.45 | enouf | project2501a: i'm "on it" ;-) |
| 21:13.46 | project2501a | valdyn: he wanted you to do it for him |
| 21:13.53 | project2501a | enouf: me on top! |
| 21:13.54 | project2501a | :P |
| 21:14.05 | enouf | project2501a: not all the time though ;-) |
| 21:14.12 | project2501a | woman you're testing me! |
| 21:14.14 | jair | silly question guys, but if I have a thinkpad t61p running lenny and I want to know how many USB 2.0 I have and their speeds how can I accomplish that? through lspci? |
| 21:14.35 | project2501a | jair: um, you mean, through code? |
| 21:14.35 | enouf | haha - .. i think you're confused |
| 21:14.36 | jelly-home | jair: all the ports should be 2.0 on that machine |
| 21:14.42 | TbbW | is there a way to force the use of i.e opendns without ifup and ifdown eth0 when /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf is edited ? |
| 21:14.44 | project2501a | enouf: nah, just trolling a bit ;) |
| 21:14.54 | KeiKurono | i guess some .deb packages doesnt work everywhere.. that's sad |
| 21:14.59 | jair | jelly-home: but how do I know if debian is recognizing it or their speed? |
| 21:15.05 | enouf | shall i whack you in your head with a whopper? ... heh ;-) |
| 21:15.08 | jair | project2501a: through code/ |
| 21:15.12 | jair | project2501a: through code? |
| 21:15.15 | enouf | ok |
| 21:15.21 | TbbW | coz when i edit resolv.conf it get's overwriten after a while... and it must be the dhcp client that does it |
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| 21:15.33 | valdyn | jair: often at least ports do not have a speed |
| 21:15.35 | project2501a | TbbW: /etc/resolvconf |
| 21:15.42 | project2501a | man resolvconf |
| 21:15.59 | enouf | nah |
| 21:16.00 | jelly-home | jair: dunno, I'm unable to interpret lsusb -v output but I'd first look around there |
| 21:16.07 | enouf | resolvconf is a pkg |
| 21:16.14 | enouf | you generally do NOT want it |
| 21:16.29 | project2501a | unlike my body |
| 21:16.32 | enouf | it's man resolv.conf |
| 21:16.46 | project2501a | man resolves. woman ? |
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| 21:16.53 | project2501a | ok, back to #debian-offtopic |
| 21:17.03 | valdyn | jair: i have hardware here where 2 ports can be at 2.0, but no specific 2 ports of the 6, 2 "random" ports |
| 21:17.14 | KeiKurono | ah maybe i got it.. the mozilla flashplayer install the .so in the wrong directory |
| 21:17.20 | TbbW | enouf: yeh buy when i edit resolv.conf it get's overwritten after a while |
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| 21:17.26 | valdyn | jair: you will see when you plug in a device, high speed or full speed |
| 21:17.27 | project2501a | does anybody have a clue what happpened to the gnome network manager in sid? it's not appearing after my update |
| 21:17.42 | TbbW | dns works fine when i edit resolv.conf and after ( guessing ) 10min it's back to my isp's default |
| 21:17.46 | enouf | project2501a: it's important to know where to place the "focus" (the dot) when offering support ;-) |
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| 21:17.51 | valdyn | !versions network-manager |
| 21:17.54 | valdyn | judd: versions network-manager |
| 21:17.54 | judd | valdyn: network-manager -- etch: 0.6.4-6 lenny: 0.6.6-3 lenny-backports: 0.7.1-1~bpo50+1 sid: 0.7.1-1 squeeze: 0.7.1-1 |
| 21:18.06 | jair | valdyn: hmmm i wonder which will be the difference between high and full |
| 21:18.06 | project2501a | enouf: (seriously, now) will do, mate. |
| 21:18.09 | valdyn | project2501a: thats a new nm |
| 21:18.17 | enouf | TbbW: buy? no, what are you selling again? |
| 21:18.23 | valdyn | jair: one is 2.0, one is not, i cant remember which is which |
| 21:18.25 | jair | valdyn: it looks like the usb 2.0 speed is 480Mbps |
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| 21:18.52 | project2501a | valdyn: i'm kinda confused, what happened to the old one? was it removed? where can i read more? |
| 21:18.55 | valdyn | jair: high speed is 2.0 i believe now |
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| 21:18.58 | TbbW | enouf: buy/but |
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| 21:19.02 | enouf | project2501a: /msg dpkg sid ; if you choose to run unstable ;0 |
| 21:19.06 | jelly-home | TbbW: if you want to keep the values in /etc/resolv.conf set up manually, remove the "resolvconf" package |
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| 21:19.07 | valdyn | project2501a: just use the new one |
| 21:19.12 | project2501a | aye aye |
| 21:19.17 | Tramp | !tell TbbW -about override dns |
| 21:19.21 | valdyn | project2501a: im just telling you that it changed alot on the backend |
| 21:19.35 | enouf | TbbW: /msg dpkg resolv.conf |
| 21:19.46 | valdyn | project2501a: just run "nm-applet" and see |
| 21:19.46 | Dominicus | project2501a: did you quit gnome, and log back in? I updated my system recently, and some stuff was killed, just not restarted for me. I just had to logout, and log back in, to get them to start again. |
| 21:19.52 | jair | valdyn: ok thank you |
| 21:19.53 | enouf | TbbW: er /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 21:20.06 | TbbW | Tramp: it's already added there |
| 21:20.15 | project2501a | Dominicus: yeah. i did |
| 21:20.31 | project2501a | Dominicus: rolled down all windows and locked all doors as well ;) |
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| 21:21.11 | Tramp | TbbW: hmm. Try append or prepend to check, if the file is read correctly |
| 21:21.12 | KeiKurono | the flashplayer-mozilla binary is broken |
| 21:21.16 | Dominicus | shrugs shoulders at project2501a (just kick it in the pants and reboot for giggles, I dunno otherwise) |
| 21:21.18 | enouf | TbbW: stop with the VMs and virtual NICs and other silly crap |
| 21:21.19 | jair | this is what I get from the command lsusb => http://paste.debian.net/43157/ |
| 21:21.25 | valdyn | KeiKurono: why do you think its broken? |
| 21:21.35 | project2501a | Dominicus: i'm kidding mate, dont' take it personally :) |
| 21:21.39 | jelly-home | TbbW: if you just added it there, do an ifdown / ifup to get a new dhclient process |
| 21:21.45 | KeiKurono | valdyn, it doesn't work to me and i can't see any .xpt installed.. so.. |
| 21:21.48 | jair | I wonder if the 2.0 is high speed 480Mbps and the other three regular usb 1.1 |
| 21:22.06 | valdyn | jair: sure |
| 21:22.08 | Wyzard | Jaif: yes |
| 21:22.08 | enouf | KeiKurono: try flashplayer-nonfree |
| 21:22.13 | Dominicus | project2501a: LOL... Not sure why you said that, but ok. lol |
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| 21:22.37 | valdyn | jair: and probably the first 2.0 device you plug in will automagically claim the 2.0 speed, rest gets 1.1 |
| 21:22.38 | project2501a | valdyn: ah, missed that line where you said it changed a lot on th backend. |
| 21:22.40 | enouf | KeiKurono: actually /msg dpkg youtube script |
| 21:22.43 | enouf | :-) |
| 21:22.43 | project2501a | valdyn: ta mate |
| 21:22.50 | jair | valdyn: but the thing is that in this machine I only have two USB ports |
| 21:23.01 | valdyn | jair: its a bus |
| 21:23.15 | jair | valdyn: ohhhh ok I see |
| 21:23.24 | KeiKurono | enouf, in my repository i have only flashplayer-nonfree-extrasound, will be good? |
| 21:23.25 | Wyzard | valdyn: All the 2.0 devices plugged in will connect to that 2.0 hub |
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| 21:23.44 | valdyn | Wyzard: not with my hardware |
| 21:23.49 | enouf | KeiKurono: no |
| 21:23.49 | valdyn | Wyzard: i dont know about his hardware |
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| 21:24.04 | KeiKurono | enouf, wait a moment i resolved copyng the .so in the right lib directory |
| 21:24.07 | enouf | judd versions flashplayer-nonfree |
| 21:24.08 | judd | enouf: flashplayer-nonfree -- |
| 21:24.14 | enouf | wtf? |
| 21:24.15 | KeiKurono | so that deb is really broken |
| 21:24.20 | enouf | judd versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:24.21 | judd | enouf: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.6 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.6 |
| 21:24.30 | enouf | KeiKurono: there ^^^^^^^^ |
| 21:24.38 | Wyzard | valdyn: Those devices in the lsusb output are root *hubs* -- each is the root of a tree of devices |
| 21:24.48 | Wyzard | valdyn: not a port for a single device as you seemed to be implying |
| 21:24.51 | lucas_ | tell me this much |
| 21:24.59 | lucas_ | where can I get Debian patches without using apt? |
| 21:25.03 | lucas_ | say, for kernel 2.6.26 |
| 21:25.26 | enouf | Jaif? |
| 21:25.43 | valdyn | Wyzard: alright, maybe i just have broken hardware |
| 21:25.46 | KeiKurono | enouf, thx for the reps |
| 21:25.46 | enouf | nobody cares about any jai* |
| 21:25.59 | enouf | np |
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| 21:26.15 | enouf | Wyzard: you |
| 21:26.51 | jelly-home | lucas_: hm. start at packages.debian.org |
| 21:26.53 | enouf | Wyzard: you're aware of TTC on root hubs? note; i have no idea which issue you're dealing with |
| 21:26.59 | enouf | er TTL |
| 21:27.09 | Wyzard | valdyn: If you think you've seen a USB 2.0 device shown as being connected to a 1.1 root hub, it was probably actually a "full speed" (which is 1.1) device not "high speed" (which is 2.0) |
| 21:27.28 | lucas_ | I've been checking around there |
| 21:27.33 | enouf | stupid ' has to be so near the <enter> key |
| 21:27.44 | valdyn | Wyzard: nah, its the same harddisk |
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| 21:27.50 | enouf | why cannot it be where like f2 is :-P |
| 21:27.57 | Wyzard | enouf: I was responding to jair's lsusb output showing one USB 2.0 root hub and three USB 1.1 root hubs, and valdyn's statement: and probably the first 2.0 device you plug in will automagically claim the 2.0 speed, rest gets 1.1 |
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| 21:28.27 | enouf | Wyzard: that bozo is in the box, so my apologies |
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| 21:29.10 | enouf | to you, that is |
| 21:29.28 | Wyzard | enouf: I don't know what you mean about TTL on root hubs though (time-to-live? transistor-transistor logic?) |
| 21:29.43 | enouf | Translation .. one sec |
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| 21:30.14 | lucas_ | in http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages there's just a bunch of kernel images and a handful of assorted patches |
| 21:30.46 | jair | thank you Wyzard =) is there a way i can get debian to report the speed of the ports? if they are USB 2.0 then 480Mbps I believe |
| 21:30.50 | Dominicus | Is there a way to enable IRQ's that the kernel has disabled |
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| 21:30.51 | lucas_ | Debian's documentation on rebuilding a kernel just says 'use apt to get this package full of patches...' |
| 21:30.52 | Dominicus | ? |
| 21:31.33 | enouf | Wyzard: sorry, guess i meant TTs http://www.commsdesign.com/design_corner/OEG20020710S0009 |
| 21:31.38 | jelly-home | lucas_: search for linux-source, for example. Click on any linux-*-2.6.26 package (lenny version); click on [source] above; you should be at: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/linux-2.6 |
| 21:32.16 | jelly-home | lucas_: one of the packages built from that source is called linux-patch-debian-2.6.26 "Debian patches to version 2.6.26 of the Linux kernel" |
| 21:32.43 | lucas_ | patches only against the kernel source provided by another package |
| 21:32.59 | jelly-home | yup. |
| 21:33.06 | enouf | Wyzard: i rarely involve myself with anything USB .. my ps/2 ports on many machines are acting as hotpluggable as any USB things |
| 21:34.08 | Wyzard | enouf: I've heard about multi-TT and I *think* it's the reason why lsusb often shows multiple USB 1.1 root hubs together with a single 2.0 root hub |
| 21:34.11 | jelly-home | lucas_: more correctly, against a debian stripped tarball of linux source tree |
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| 21:35.17 | Wyzard | jair: "lsusb -v" provides a bunch of additional information, but I don't see any fields for speed |
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| 21:36.16 | enouf | Wyzard: cat /proc/cpuinfo shows an 'ht' flag on my older dual MP xeon (2x 1.7G) machine, however, it's mistaken, the HT didn't work till the 1.8G xeons -- we need updates! |
| 21:36.19 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 21:36.22 | valdyn | lucas_: you only need the linux-source-foo package |
| 21:36.39 | lucas_ | I don't need all of these damn patches? |
| 21:36.46 | valdyn | lucas_: no |
| 21:36.51 | lucas_ | because I thought that was kind of the point of doing this rather than getting it from kernel.org |
| 21:37.05 | valdyn | lucas_: debians linux-source packages are already patched |
| 21:37.25 | Wyzard | jair: Anyway, if your machine supports USB 2.0 then all your USB ports should support high-speed devices |
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| 21:37.31 | lucas_ | but the linux-patch package says that it will only apply against linux-source |
| 21:37.34 | lucas_ | implying it's not |
| 21:37.36 | jair | Wyzard: I see |
| 21:37.36 | jair | Wyzard: I will keep researching. But I just wanted to know more specific about it. I will be looking at the e-SATA II as well |
| 21:37.53 | enouf | Wyzard: MP == Multi-Processor (just in case) as opposed to DC (DualCore) ;-) |
| 21:38.05 | jair | Wyzard: right, I have one T61p and three T42p |
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| 21:38.19 | jair | so i need to organize myself to start testing with them and debian =) |
| 21:38.21 | enouf | well, actuyally as opposed to UP (UniProcessor) |
| 21:38.25 | jelly-home | lucas_: linux-patch-debian? It doesn't say that... it says: Note that these patches do NOT apply against a pristine Linux 2.6.26 kernel but only against the kernel tarball linux-2.6_2.6.26.orig.tar.gz from the Debian archive. |
| 21:38.28 | Wyzard | jair: You don't have some "2.0 ports" and some "1.1 ports"... all the ports are connected to the USB 2.0 controller, and the 2.0 controller also contains an emulated 1.1 controller (actually a "transaction translator") for communicating with 1.1 devices |
| 21:38.39 | Wyzard | jair: so each port can support both 1.1 and 2.0 devices |
| 21:38.42 | lucas_ | alright. if it's already patched, that's perfect |
| 21:38.58 | lucas_ | because I wasn't about to try to apply them all myself |
| 21:39.01 | jelly-home | lucas_: linux-source package = that tarball + those patches |
| 21:39.06 | Wyzard | enouf: afaik, those flags you see in cpuinfo are reported by the processor itself |
| 21:39.15 | Wyzard | enouf: not sure though |
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| 21:39.45 | lucas_ | let's see if this big unknown unified diff labelled 'gumstix-2.6.26.patch' applies against this |
| 21:40.04 | lucas_ | holy shit. a bit of fuzz, but it's clean |
| 21:40.11 | lucas_ | outstanding |
| 21:40.27 | jair | Wyzard: very nice |
| 21:40.45 | jair | Wyzard: thank you very much for the explanation I really appreciate your help |
| 21:40.50 | Wyzard | jair: I don't see how that's related to eSATA though... but I don't know what your original question was |
| 21:40.53 | jelly-home | lucas_: what do you need debian patches for, anyway? |
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| 21:41.01 | lucas_ | your guess is as good as mine! |
| 21:41.10 | Wyzard | jair: If you're connecting an external hard drive, eSATA would be preferable over USB |
| 21:41.12 | jelly-home | "no reason" |
| 21:41.24 | lucas_ | but I want to put Debian on this Gumstix, and I want a kernel source package inside to build custom modules on the chip itself |
| 21:41.41 | jelly-home | lucas_: again, what do you need debian patches for? |
| 21:41.53 | jelly-home | Debian works well with a vanilla kernel. |
| 21:42.20 | jair | Wyzard: I am not sure of what I will do yet, but I will have one of the laptop as a mobile desktop and then the other laptops, but I will be building a desktop moster machine later desktop |
| 21:42.49 | jelly-home | In fact, there was a time not so long ago when Debian had an appalling record of keeping up with upstream security fixes, that most people use to build their own kernels (for servers( |
| 21:42.59 | Wyzard | jair: What's the USB device that you want to connect? |
| 21:43.16 | lucas_ | honestly I never use this Linux crap as it is at home |
| 21:43.20 | jair | I am thinking on a usb external hard drive |
| 21:43.33 | lucas_ | I usually stick to BSD for server stuff |
| 21:43.36 | lucas_ | so it's all greek to me |
| 21:44.05 | lucas_ | and when working with magic stuff, you tend to want to follow the rules to avoid things breaking |
| 21:44.44 | Wyzard | jair: eSATA would be better (less overhead, and ability to do things like SMART monitoring that you can't do through USB) |
| 21:45.05 | lucas_ | you do that almost all the time in Windows |
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| 21:45.20 | lucas_ | if something breaks you'll often be reduced to googling for magic phrases to enter into the registry |
| 21:45.30 | enouf | Wyzard: they are not.. the kernel reads them and has a whole bunch of tables they match to certain specs/families |
| 21:45.42 | Wyzard | ah |
| 21:45.47 | jair | Wyzard: got it. I will be building a desktop machine so I may go with the e-sata II speed, space, warranty (i don't know) |
| 21:46.43 | jair | Wyzard: Thank you so much again |
| 21:46.56 | enouf | Wyzard: even dmidecode get's it incorrect -- however! it's very possible the "Dell" rep that answered the thread (i read) from a long time ago is lying and one can enable it, if NOT for BIOS code |
| 21:47.09 | KeiKurono | how do i file a bug? :/ |
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| 21:47.35 | enouf | Wyzard: so . i still need to look up the Intel specs - i just got this box up, so. i'm busy doing other shit |
| 21:47.38 | Wyzard | jair: I have a few of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198008 |
| 21:48.09 | Wyzard | jair: eSATA for connecting to the main computer (which has eSATA ports), and USB support in case I need to connect the drive to something that doesn't support eSATA |
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| 21:50.56 | jair | Wyzard: cool |
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| 21:51.35 | enouf | Wyzard: for ex, someone i know, has a Sony Craptop - and the CPU DOES do Hyper-V or Pacifica (or whatever shit name they keep changing it to) .. and without a custom BIOS code revision, the CPU would not offer it as an option -- seems almost the same with my HT on these older Xeons (1.7G) since the BIOS is very sparse with options .. AND .. we al know how it was cheaper to manufacture using SAME die, and disable bits to offer slightly lower co |
| 21:52.03 | enouf | Wyzard: if that got truncated, let me know |
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| 21:53.11 | lucas_ | I just bought an AMD something-something and a couple parts yesterday |
| 21:53.12 | Wyzard | enouf: Or it might just be lazy BIOS coding... my laptop (ThinkPad Z60m) has an ICH6 chipset, which should support AHCI, but there's no BIOS option to enable it, and the only reason I can think of is that they just didn't bother putting it in |
| 21:53.20 | lucas_ | $300 total, and I know damn well it'll do virtualization |
| 21:53.45 | jair | Wyzard: nice enclosure. I think I will have to get the enclosures empty. They get the hard drive I want |
| 21:53.47 | enouf | Wyzard: oh yeah - this Dell BIOS is SOooooooo proprietary, it has a cutoff on amount of RD-RAm if OS Intssll mode" is enabled -- 256K is all you get, no matter how much of 2G you have installed |
| 21:53.49 | robertxs | I got the newest version of Iceweasel but the flash on websites doesnt show until i click on them... Is there any solution to get this show without clicking on every flash/banners etc? |
| 21:54.17 | Wyzard | enouf: 256k? :-) |
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| 21:54.37 | enouf | Wyzard: Dell was 'extremely' hostile back then |
| 21:54.44 | enouf | no, sorry, 256MB |
| 21:55.01 | enouf | even Bi$$ can do 640k :-P |
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| 21:56.21 | enouf | Wyzard: do you have a RAID option? if so, that would enable AHCI mode |
| 21:56.35 | enouf | heh, raid .. on a craptop :-P |
| 21:56.54 | Wyzard | nope |
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| 21:57.56 | enouf | Wyzard: hehe = the ICH6, which is 7 revisions above my pentium 2 440BX chipset STILL does only udma2 for optical drives |
| 21:58.05 | enouf | how stupid and what a dump |
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| 21:59.32 | enouf | i mean, by the time ICH6 was out udma5 and even 6 were popular for HDDs, Yes, for opticals, udma4 .. ok. but still udma3 never materialized :-P |
| 22:00.11 | Wyzard | enouf: hmm... the optical drive on my laptop is indeed using udma2, but hdparm doesn't show the *drive* supporting any faster modes; are you sure the chipset is the limitation? |
| 22:00.29 | Wyzard | enouf: btw, in my desktop (ICH8) both opticals are using udma5 |
| 22:00.40 | enouf | Wyzard: no it's not - AFAICT - it's a drive and BIOS limitation |
| 22:00.49 | jelly-home | Wyzard: do you have an optical drive capable of reading more than 33MB/s? |
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| 22:00.57 | enouf | Wyzard: udma5 == win win |
| 22:01.11 | paxcoder | is cussing permitted in factoids? |
| 22:01.23 | jelly-home | paxcoder: fuck no |
| 22:01.33 | elik | hell yeah |
| 22:01.40 | enouf | paxcoder: it's encouraged ;-) |
| 22:01.46 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 22:01.46 | dpkg | 11:41 < greycat> o/~ BREEZY, BREEZY / GIVE ME THE ANSWER, DUDE! / I INSTALLED IT / AND NOW ALL MY DISKS ARE SCREWED! o/~ (add "lol" to taste) |
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| 22:02.14 | enouf | er .. what stupd song is that? haha |
| 22:02.15 | paxcoder | no i meant like <stanford> |
| 22:02.38 | enouf | paxcoder: yes, stanford is full of asshats -- go ahead :-) |
| 22:02.39 | jelly-home | paxcoder: quotes are excepted |
| 22:03.18 | jelly-home | dpkg: factinfo stanford |
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| 22:03.18 | dpkg | stanford -- created by joshk <~fuuma@adsl-64-160-54-51.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> at Fri Oct 18 07:18:16 2002 (2479 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by jelly-home, 23s ago. |
| 22:03.28 | Wyzard | jelly-home: No, but I don't have any hard drives capable of reading 300MB/sec either |
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| 22:03.39 | elik | !stanford |
| 22:03.40 | dpkg | it has been said that stanford is the best fucking college in the universe. what now, huh? |
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| 22:03.52 | Jorophose | anybody know how to set xorg to use 16-bit colour? can I set it to only run 16-bit for specific apps? |
| 22:04.10 | enouf | elik: the universe sucks ass? |
| 22:04.15 | Jorophose | (my xorg.conf is currently garbage, all populated by "default" everything...) |
| 22:04.25 | elik | enouf, I guess that makes sense |
| 22:04.27 | Wyzard | Jorophose: The color depth applies to the whole display; it's not a per-application thing |
| 22:04.36 | elik | enouf, as long as I don't study in Stanford |
| 22:04.43 | Wyzard | Jorophose: Why do you want to use 16-bit color (as opposed to 24-bit color) though? |
| 22:04.56 | cahoot | can't one run a xnest with another colordepth? |
| 22:04.57 | lucas_ | it's started, I guess |
| 22:05.09 | enouf | elik: i'll even reel in my grouping and say "the universe of universities sucks ass?" |
| 22:05.11 | Wyzard | hmm, maybe |
| 22:05.11 | lucas_ | awesome, it'll finish in about ten minutes, I'm outta here |
| 22:05.14 | lucas_ | thanks guys! |
| 22:05.14 | paxcoder | what's your beef with stanford? |
| 22:05.26 | Jorophose | Wyzard: i810 chipset, it's complete fail with Lenny. I'm trying to see if changing to 16-bit colour will help. |
| 22:05.38 | Wyzard | ah |
| 22:05.38 | Jorophose | Unless one of you knows how to fix i810 in newer linux releases? |
| 22:05.40 | elik | enouf, can't agree with that though... since I'm a bachelor student |
| 22:05.46 | enouf | elik: do you have any idea of the amount of trash they let slide? hahaha |
| 22:06.02 | paxcoder | after reading what Tanenbaum said about MIT after moving to Stanford, MIT scares me. |
| 22:06.06 | enouf | elik: i'm a bachelor and love ot |
| 22:06.08 | enouf | it |
| 22:06.21 | jelly-home | There is no s...tanford. |
| 22:06.24 | paxcoder | love OT *laughs* |
| 22:06.34 | elik | paxcoder, uh? |
| 22:06.52 | robertxs | I got the newest version of Iceweasel but the flash on websites doesnt show until i click on them... Is there any solution to get this show without clicking on every flash/banners etc? Anyone? |
| 22:07.09 | robertxs | *showing |
| 22:07.14 | paxcoder | elik: http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/home/faq.html |
| 22:07.16 | enouf | Jorophose: i810? that's a POFS, either move forward or move back ;-) |
| 22:07.18 | elik | enouf, make that: bachelor degree student |
| 22:07.24 | Jorophose | enouf: POFS? |
| 22:07.30 | Jorophose | oo |
| 22:07.42 | Jorophose | but I can't replace it currently. old chipsets shouldn't have these kinds of problems =/ |
| 22:07.57 | adb | Jorophose: use "intel" instead "i810" in xorg.conf |
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| 22:08.17 | enouf | Jorophose: though the 'intel' Xorg driver in Lenny and up incorps the olde "i810" driver 915resolution stuffs |
| 22:08.24 | Jorophose | I'll try it now, I found out I made a more full copy of xorg.conf in my home |
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| 22:08.44 | Jorophose | enouf: so would "intel" be an improvement over "i810"? |
| 22:09.00 | elik | paxcoder, I don't want to know about Tanenbaum's life... what's with OT? |
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| 22:09.16 | paxcoder | off topic? |
| 22:09.21 | enouf | Jorophose: you're telling me? i've got an old Dual CPU Xeon here that won't boot anything but Windows CDs .... almost ;-) |
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| 22:09.42 | Jorophose | enouf: wait, what? |
| 22:09.48 | paxcoder | elik: the typo. see above or nvm. |
| 22:09.54 | enouf | i'm talking p3 xeons of 2001 era |
| 22:10.05 | Jorophose | enouf: but what do you mean? |
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| 22:10.19 | enouf | 1.7GHz |
| 22:10.47 | enouf | Jorophose: i was commenting on "Jorophose> but I can't replace it currently. old chipsets shouldn't have these kinds of problems =/" |
| 22:11.11 | enouf | Jorophose: my pII works fine ;-) |
| 22:11.23 | elik | paxcoder, I did see the typo.. but I don't see how it's funny, and don't find it funnier after looking at ~ast faq |
| 22:11.40 | Jorophose | ok it seems to have been set to the "intel" driver |
| 22:11.45 | enouf | elik: make that .. millionaire ;-) |
| 22:11.46 | Jorophose | I'll try this new conf |
| 22:12.01 | enouf | you be a student, i'll rake in your $$$ |
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| 22:12.24 | paxcoder | elik: i thought you were referring to my line previous to that one, so I gave you what I meant by it. ot was just funny because we were ot, no brain stretching there. |
| 22:12.44 | elik | enouf, you can have all my cash, I don't care |
| 22:12.51 | elik | enouf, I feed on knowledge :D |
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| 22:13.02 | enouf | elik: and your children? ;-) |
| 22:13.10 | paxcoder | :-) |
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| 22:13.30 | elik | enouf, no child yet |
| 22:13.33 | Jorophose | ok, still getting graphical glitches |
| 22:13.35 | enouf | knowledge == wealth .. indeed |
| 22:13.49 | elik | enouf, thus, I should not eat it, right? |
| 22:13.51 | enouf | unless you promote homogenization of Redmond crap |
| 22:14.13 | enouf | milks jelly-home |
| 22:14.21 | enouf | runs |
| 22:14.30 | Jorophose | should I try stepping back down to the i810 driver? is it deprecated? |
| 22:14.39 | jelly-home | adapts /ignore |
| 22:14.46 | enouf | Jorophose: which Release, which kernel? |
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| 22:14.47 | Jorophose | I mean like, is it just a place-holder driver that will just route me back to "intel"? |
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| 22:15.10 | enouf | er.. you should try adoption over adaption :-P |
| 22:15.13 | jelly-home | Jorophose: i810 is no more in lenny |
| 22:15.27 | Jorophose | Lenny 5.0 (hasn't given me the option to upgrade...) kernel is 2.6.26.1-686 |
| 22:15.33 | Jorophose | so what do I do? |
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| 22:15.51 | enouf | Jorophose: man intel ? |
| 22:15.54 | Jorophose | and does this still apply to "intel" on i810 chipsets? : http://linux.die.net/man/4/i810 |
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| 22:16.09 | enouf | Jorophose: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0/log |
| 22:16.11 | enouf | er |
| 22:16.15 | enouf | Jorophose: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:16.21 | jelly-home | Jorophose: man 4 intel |
| 22:16.23 | enouf | pastebin if needed |
| 22:16.36 | Jorophose | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so |
| 22:16.36 | Jorophose | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so |
| 22:16.36 | Jorophose | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//kbd_drv.so |
| 22:16.41 | enouf | thinks the drxx is messing |
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| 22:17.02 | Jorophose | jelly-home: do you want me to post it or something? |
| 22:17.06 | enouf | does the .30 from bpo help? |
| 22:17.10 | Jorophose | I can also pastebin my current xorg.conf |
| 22:17.19 | enouf | Jorophose: oh,. you have one? |
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| 22:17.45 | Jorophose | enouf: have what? I was able to find a more detailed xorg.conf, and there is a man page on intel drivers. |
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| 22:18.28 | enouf | Jorophose: apt-get install mesautils ; glxinfo | grep -i direct ; dpkg -l libgl* | tail -n 2 |
| 22:19.13 | enouf | Jorophose: what's the issue anyways? heh |
| 22:19.19 | Jorophose | no mesautils available |
| 22:19.25 | enouf | haha |
| 22:19.38 | enouf | judd: versions mesa-utils |
| 22:19.39 | judd | enouf: mesa-utils -- etch: 6.3.2-2.1 lenny: 7.0.3-7 squeeze: 7.0.3-7 experimental: 7.5~rc4-1 sid: 7.5-3 |
| 22:19.44 | enouf | ok, so sue me |
| 22:19.46 | enouf | :-P |
| 22:19.51 | Jorophose | ? |
| 22:19.58 | enouf | Jorophose: add the hyphen |
| 22:20.01 | Jorophose | oh |
| 22:20.01 | Jorophose | lol |
| 22:20.53 | zmen01 | i have a file with 1000 lines containing 1234567|TEXT_MORE_TEXT|WORD1|WORD2|ANOTHER_TEXT <- i would like to change WORD2 with WORD1 so it will look like 1234567|TEXT_MORE_TEXT|WORD2|WORD1|ANOTHER_TEXT.. what tools would i need to accomplish this? anyone got an idea how to do this? |
| 22:21.21 | enouf | sed |
| 22:21.42 | Jorophose | direct rendering: Yes |
| 22:21.42 | Jorophose | ii libglu1-mesa 7.0.3-7 The OpenGL utility library (GLU) |
| 22:21.42 | Jorophose | ii libglu1-mesa-dev 7.0.3-7 The OpenGL utility library -- development fi |
| 22:21.47 | enouf | ... |
| 22:21.49 | jelly-home | zmen01: always exchange columns 3 and 4? |
| 22:21.58 | zmen01 | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:22.07 | zmen01 | jelly-home: for each line |
| 22:22.10 | jelly-home | zmen01: awk |
| 22:22.26 | Tramp | crossposting his line noise in at least 3 channels ... |
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| 22:23.10 | Jorophose | so enouf, where do we go now? |
| 22:23.12 | Ergo^ | does the "debian way" of installing nvidia binary drivers make X work after debian upgrades kernel ? |
| 22:23.23 | enouf | Jorophose: you _might have the pkgs i mean, the tail -n 2 might've been conservative_ |
| 22:23.46 | enouf | Jorophose: i'm looking for -mesa-dri and -mesa-glx |
| 22:23.54 | enouf | Jorophose: are those installed? |
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| 22:24.14 | Jorophose | ok, but I also need to figure out why the heck it's artifacting when x is started, why it's not letting me use eg Gnubik, and other stuff like that |
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| 22:24.26 | enouf | Jorophose: cat /etc/issue.net please |
| 22:24.44 | Jorophose | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 |
| 22:24.53 | enouf | er .. |
| 22:25.32 | Jorophose | libgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version. |
| 22:25.33 | Jorophose | libgl1-mesa-glx is already the newest version. |
| 22:25.33 | Jorophose | libgl1-mesa-glx set to manually installed. |
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| 22:25.52 | enouf | Jorophose: you have a security line in your sources.list? |
| 22:25.52 | jelly-home | zmen01: awk '-F|' '{print $1 "|" $2 "|" $4 "|" $3 .... }' < file |
| 22:26.21 | Jorophose | security line? |
| 22:26.28 | enouf | !security |
| 22:26.29 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 22:26.45 | enouf | yur 5.0 should be 5.0.2 |
| 22:26.53 | Jorophose | yeah, security is there |
| 22:26.59 | Jorophose | I haven't gotten the chance to upgrade |
| 22:27.05 | Jorophose | I'll set it to run right now, though |
| 22:27.09 | enouf | ran an update/upgrade recently? |
| 22:27.12 | Jorophose | no |
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| 22:27.23 | enouf | well .. did it ever work? |
| 22:27.35 | Jorophose | ok so how do I upgrade to 5.2? "aptitude upgrade"? |
| 22:27.44 | Jorophose | worked under older distros =/ |
| 22:27.45 | jelly-home | Jorophose: do you only have issues with opengl apps? |
| 22:27.56 | enouf | Jorophose: you have ONLY lenny or Stable in source.list? |
| 22:28.11 | Jorophose | openGL apps and artifacting when xorg starts. SDL is fine |
| 22:28.12 | enouf | er sources.list |
| 22:28.14 | Ergo^ | does the "debian way" of installing nvidia binary drivers make X work after debian upgrades kernel ? |
| 22:28.22 | enouf | ugh .. SDL? |
| 22:28.27 | enouf | remove that crap |
| 22:28.39 | enouf | Ergo^: no |
| 22:28.43 | enouf | nobodies does |
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| 22:28.52 | Jorophose | when I'm using opera sometimes it'll "glaze", it'll keep content from above on other sections, and it's weird. no idea if firefox does it. |
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| 22:29.01 | Jorophose | my sources.list is all lenny |
| 22:29.14 | enouf | it's a kernl module issue, not an X one |
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| 22:29.41 | enouf | Jorophose: run update and dist-upgrade |
| 22:29.49 | dazman | Anyone using Fluxbox in here? How come Fluxbox fonts by default are massive in Debian/Ubuntu, but they are fine in say Slackware? (Same Flux config, Same Xorg config) |
| 22:30.05 | Jorophose | wouldn't dist-upgrade give me squeeze? |
| 22:30.10 | enouf | no |
| 22:30.19 | enouf | not without squeeze sources |
| 22:30.34 | Jorophose | so I ran "aptitude upgrade", it's giving me like 244 packages to upgrade |
| 22:30.42 | Jorophose | should I abort and run "dist-upgrade" instead? |
| 22:30.45 | enouf | think of "partitioning" ;-) |
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| 22:31.15 | enouf | Jorophose: no, aptitude has a safe and a full version IINM, i don;t use aptitude |
| 22:31.28 | Jorophose | IINM? so what do I run? |
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| 22:31.42 | enouf | wait on another ... |
| 22:31.53 | Jorophose | another what? |
| 22:31.59 | enouf | !dist-upgrade |
| 22:31.59 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; in lenny, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist-upgrade> <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade> |
| 22:32.00 | g00se | I forget who here uses dlocate, but it seems to have odd behaviour with backports |
| 22:32.07 | nr9nb9no9 | i am having a problem connecting to a bluetooth phone in lenny so i can get on gprs--the phone wont pair up |
| 22:32.18 | enouf | Jorophose: "in lenny, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. " |
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| 22:32.30 | enouf | g00se: i do |
| 22:32.41 | enouf | g00se: run update-dlocatedb |
| 22:32.58 | g00se | enouf: Ah. OK. Trying it |
| 22:33.11 | nr9nb9no9 | i have the exact same kppp config in kanotix & it works--anyone know whats wrong? |
| 22:33.14 | Jorophose | ok, I've got to go for now, I'll let my box upgrade. |
| 22:33.23 | Jorophose | maybe I'll get a stroke of genius or of heart or something |
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| 22:33.27 | gumbox | i'm using lenny and bash and can't seem to get tab autocompletion to work.. it works for commands and files, but it's not working for programs like man and apt like it used to.. help?! |
| 22:33.29 | enouf | nr9nb9no9: ppp sucks ass |
| 22:34.09 | enouf | gumbox: have bash_completion pkg installed? |
| 22:34.14 | enouf | oh |
| 22:34.31 | enouf | hrm bad $MANPATH? |
| 22:34.38 | nr9nb9no9 | i can use the same phone connected to usb and it works |
| 22:34.42 | enouf | set | grep MANPATH |
| 22:35.06 | gumbox | nothing.. it's probably that |
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| 22:35.10 | enouf | although with apt ... that's not it .. though apt has gotten much slower at times |
| 22:35.16 | gumbox | how do i set the path for man and for apt? |
| 22:35.16 | enouf | gumbox: aye |
| 22:35.39 | enouf | ~$ set | grep MANPATH manpath=$MANPATH; |
| 22:36.00 | enouf | man man? man manpages? i forget |
| 22:36.17 | enouf | ~$ man man |
| 22:36.18 | enouf | man manconv mandb manpage-alert man-pages manpath |
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| 22:36.30 | enouf | there's some 'completion' ;-) |
| 22:36.31 | gumbox | yes.. for instance: man ba<tab> would give me bash or a list of options begining with ba |
| 22:36.40 | gumbox | pages* |
| 22:36.46 | enouf | mandb likely |
| 22:36.57 | enouf | er manpath too |
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| 22:37.21 | g00se | enouf: That didn't make any difference. Take a look at http://pastebin.com/f951d261 What happened to the 2.6.30 kernel? |
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| 22:37.55 | enouf | g00se: you tried manpath=$MANPATH; ? looks like you're missing something |
| 22:39.56 | enouf | g00se: ~$ sudo rgrep -i manpath /etc/ | pi |
| 22:39.57 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1515240 |
| 22:40.31 | enouf | ignore the /etc/complete.tcsh: lines - heh .. unless! !! |
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| 22:41.44 | enouf | sleeps |
| 22:42.22 | syslq78 | Is there a command that would let me see not only running processes but also hirarchy? parent--children? |
| 22:43.08 | nr9nb9no9 | htop? |
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| 22:43.36 | g00se | enouf: Before you doze off. I could be being a bit dense, but what's dlocate got to do with manpath? |
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| 22:45.48 | g00se | syslq78: ps faux |
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| 22:46.58 | syslq78 | g00se, thanks |
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| 22:47.27 | MrWax | how can i grep only that lines of a file that start with 7? |
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| 22:48.07 | pbi_ | hi, anyone know how to use libc6-dbg ? |
| 22:48.47 | themill | MrWax: as in you want lines that start with 7? grep ^7 |
| 22:48.56 | MrWax | alright thanks |
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| 22:50.22 | LinuxEA | Hi, I would like to add a few apps to default at startup. Im using openbox.. Tried using /etc/init.d/ but it didn't work the way I'd like |
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| 22:50.43 | stas | can I ask packaging related questions here? |
| 22:51.07 | g00se | awk -F'|' '{ print $4FS$3 }' somefile would be probably more reusable, if less readable |
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| 22:53.36 | themill | stas: you can, but you might to better in #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 22:54.08 | stas | themill: thank you |
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| 23:00.02 | marcompile | does anybody understand the memmap= option for the kernel ? |
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| 23:02.15 | hyper_ch | hi there, how can I force-rotate mysql logs or clear them? |
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| 23:03.29 | syslq78 | If I execute gimp from terminal pts1 for instance, terminal process is parent and gimp is a child. But isnt forking making clones (exact copys)? |
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| 23:05.31 | pbi_ | syslq78: fork is followed by an exec |
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| 23:06.13 | syslq78 | pbi_, so it creates a copy of it'self and trough it executes an application? |
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| 23:07.02 | elik | the new kde is... "pretty" |
| 23:07.24 | syslq78 | pbi_, I got it but then still that executable is child of first shell yes? |
| 23:08.07 | pbi_ | syslq78: if (fork()==0) { /* child */ execve(); } else { /* parent */ carry_on(); } |
| 23:08.42 | syslq78 | pbi_, thanks |
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| 23:08.54 | pbi_ | syslq78: yep gimp is still xterm's child |
| 23:09.03 | pbi_ | s/xterm/shell/ |
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| 23:09.33 | syslq78 | pbi_, yeah I got it :), I'm writing a blog post on nohup and disown and I kind of have to understand this now :) |
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| 23:11.41 | pbi_ | for nohup and disown, you still have to understand notions as control terminal and shell's job control features |
| 23:12.45 | pbi_ | anyone already used libc6-dbg here ? |
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| 23:32.04 | b0nn | hmm, Im trying to follow http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/openvpn, but am not sure how the ips are being determined |
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| 23:32.44 | djahandarie | I'm trying to install debian lenny amd64 via hd-media on a USB stick. |
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| 23:33.04 | djahandarie | I zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc |
| 23:33.10 | djahandarie | And then put on the buissness card iso |
| 23:33.20 | djahandarie | Then I plug it into my laptop (where I'm trying to install it) |
| 23:33.31 | djahandarie | And I tell it to boot from USBHDD, and it just says Boot Error |
| 23:34.02 | djahandarie | So I tried install-mbr on /dev/sdc and then put it back into my laptop, and it just says 'MBR 1234FA' |
| 23:34.15 | djahandarie | And I can't get any further than that... could someone help? |
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| 23:34.34 | djahandarie | This is a ThinkPad T500 if that helps, and apparently people have put Debian on it before. |
| 23:35.14 | niko | /20http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB could help djahandarie |
| 23:35.56 | djahandarie | niko, isn't that for DebianLive? |
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| 23:37.15 | Evet | Do you suggest a web-browser? |
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| 23:42.14 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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