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| 00:01.53 | Jorophose | gentlemen, thank you, it worked. |
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| 00:08.25 | asdf | ?? Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/a/apache2/apache2.2-common_2.2.9-10+lenny3_i386.deb: 404 Not Found |
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| 00:09.20 | racecar56 | why does my laptop not warn the OS when the battery is low? it just dies when it's out of energy... and it worked before, and this is on windoze too (back when i had it) |
| 00:09.44 | macrobat | racecar56: you have to set that up |
| 00:09.46 | fas3r | how to start grub in busy box or rescue mode ? |
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| 00:09.58 | racecar56 | macrobat: how? |
| 00:10.12 | racecar56 | macrobat: i installed the 'Laptop' package in tasksel too |
| 00:10.21 | abrotman | asdf: aptitude update .. try again |
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| 00:12.16 | macrobat | i dont run my laptop on batteries, but check out laptop-mode-tools and acpi |
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| 00:13.11 | asdf | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:14.39 | macrobat | racecar56: aptitude search power | grep manage |
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| 00:15.03 | fas3r | nobody ? |
| 00:15.40 | cantido | fas3r: what do you mean by busybox and/or rescue mode.. grub doesn't have either |
| 00:16.21 | fas3r | cantido i need to start my linux without graphic just in command line |
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| 00:16.38 | fas3r | my Xorg crash my computer and i can't fix it without live cd |
| 00:16.54 | cantido | fas3r: ok, so if you have the default setup you will have a "rescue" entry for each of your installed kernels |
| 00:17.24 | cantido | I think it's called "single user mode" in the grub menu |
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| 00:18.38 | fas3r | cantido: ok great ;) |
| 00:18.39 | fas3r | thank ;) |
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| 00:26.51 | cheako | macrobat: No error msg. |
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| 00:29.09 | cheako | http://paste.debian.net/43224/ |
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| 00:43.15 | macrobat | i dont know, cheako. maybe you can post on forums.debian.net |
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| 00:45.04 | Schuenemann | hi, I would like to know how I can install libao 32 bit on my 64 bit Lenny. |
| 00:45.13 | luke3321 | Schuenemann: Grab the source and recompile |
| 00:45.22 | luke3321 | im sure there is an easier way tho |
| 00:45.25 | Schuenemann | luke3321, that's the only way? |
| 00:45.26 | luke3321 | i just dont know it |
| 00:45.36 | Schuenemann | then how are you so sure? :p |
| 00:45.48 | luke3321 | I've heard people explain it ;) |
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| 00:45.55 | luke3321 | just never payed attention |
| 00:45.57 | Schuenemann | hmm |
| 00:46.15 | Schuenemann | I downloaded the deb from packages.debian.org and installed with --force-architecture |
| 00:46.24 | Schuenemann | it worked, but then my package manager got broken |
| 00:46.33 | luke3321 | Yeah |
| 00:46.44 | luke3321 | not the best idea |
| 00:47.02 | luke3321 | libao only 32 bit? |
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| 00:47.13 | luke3321 | (not in a web browser, so i cant check) |
| 00:47.23 | Schuenemann | no, but zsnes is :-/ |
| 00:47.52 | luke3321 | Ah |
| 00:48.32 | luke3321 | You on lenny? |
| 00:48.49 | Schuenemann | yes |
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| 00:49.07 | luke3321 | You do mean libao2 right? There is no libao AFAICT |
| 00:49.15 | luke3321 | packagewise |
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| 00:49.33 | Schuenemann | I got one from packages.debian.org |
| 00:49.38 | luke3321 | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/liba/libao/libao2_0.8.8-4_amd64.deb |
| 00:49.51 | luke3321 | there is the link to the 64 bit version of it |
| 00:49.51 | Schuenemann | is that 32 bit? |
| 00:49.58 | luke3321 | also from packages.debian.org |
| 00:50.01 | luke3321 | nope |
| 00:50.02 | luke3321 | 64 |
| 00:50.04 | gbear14275 | anyone know where I can get a paravirtualized domu for debian? |
| 00:50.07 | racecar56 | Schuenemann: amd64 != i386 |
| 00:50.16 | racecar56 | Schuenemann: i386 == 32bit |
| 00:50.26 | Schuenemann | I already have that one |
| 00:50.26 | racecar56 | Schuenemann: see the _amd64? |
| 00:50.37 | Schuenemann | racecar56, yes, I do |
| 00:51.07 | pingouin | so...i guess it's typical.... i can use my scanner, with vuescan/xsane/iscan perfectly under...root.... but not as 'normal' user, thus 'normal' user is added in scanner group , if someone have an idea... thanks |
| 00:51.35 | abrotman | did you login/logout ? |
| 00:51.41 | pingouin | yes :/ |
| 00:51.45 | pingouin | reboot also |
| 00:51.57 | luke3321 | Schuenemann: Did you try installing that version? |
| 00:52.05 | pingouin | i dont find where is the scan /dev/usb/xx /dev/bus/xxx |
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| 00:52.13 | Schuenemann | luke3321, why should I? It is available in the repositories |
| 00:52.42 | luke3321 | I know, I really fail to see what the problem is :s |
| 00:52.45 | cheako | newgrp should allow you to add to your group membership, so you don't have to logout/in. |
| 00:53.09 | Schuenemann | luke3321, I compiled and zsnes still complains I don't have it :-( |
| 00:53.14 | rgr | Anyone else getting iceweasel crashes in debian lenny recently? |
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| 00:53.49 | luke3321 | Schuenemann: You compiles zsnes from source? |
| 00:53.55 | Schuenemann | no, libao |
| 00:54.03 | abrotman | Schuenemann: maybe it'd be easier to just make a 32bit chroot ? |
| 00:54.41 | Schuenemann | abrotman, hmm I don't know what that is |
| 00:54.53 | abrotman | !chroot |
| 00:54.54 | dpkg | a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html#_chroot_system |
| 00:55.13 | luke3321 | Schuenemann: Think a 64 bit wrapper around a 32 bit library |
| 00:55.19 | luke3321 | although there are other uses |
| 00:55.43 | Schuenemann | change the root dir of the process to libao dir? |
| 00:56.07 | luke3321 | I'm not familiar with how to do it, only what it is |
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| 00:56.14 | luke3321 | Never have had to try it ;) |
| 00:56.29 | cheako | Is chroot still the current bi-arch/multi/ect/ect solution? |
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| 00:58.07 | luke3321 | cheako: You could virtualize |
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| 00:59.34 | Schuenemann | I compiled libao simply with ./configure, make. Does that make it 32 or 64 bit? |
| 00:59.38 | cheako | obviously chroot is better, no? |
| 00:59.50 | luke3321 | Schuenemann: That makes it the arch of your system |
| 00:59.59 | Schuenemann | meh |
| 01:00.02 | Schuenemann | couldn't work then |
| 01:00.18 | macrobat | there is a ia32-apt-get now, i dont know how it works |
| 01:00.19 | abrotman | a chroot really would be easier for you most likely .. you've been mucking with this all day |
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| 01:00.34 | cheako | I can't think of a single use for virtualizeation that su, chroot, and FreeBSD Jails don't solve. |
| 01:00.39 | Schuenemann | abrotman, but I have to install libao 32bit anyway, right? |
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| 01:00.56 | Schuenemann | not all day, I went to the stadium and saw my team lose too lol |
| 01:00.57 | luke3321 | cheako: Me either |
| 01:01.03 | luke3321 | Just saying you could |
| 01:01.45 | cheako | Sure, I could use a needle to cut 2x4s. |
| 01:02.08 | Schuenemann | ia32-libs doesn't include libao |
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| 01:05.30 | jmarsden | cheako: Running Windows Server 2008 on the same machine as Ubuntu Server might be tricky with su, chroot and FreeBSD jails only? |
| 01:05.47 | luke3321 | eh, I could do it |
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| 01:07.27 | cheako | jmarsden: wine? |
| 01:07.55 | jmarsden | Wine does 64bit well enough to run 2008 server now? Really? |
| 01:08.32 | jmarsden | If it does, now add Running Plan9 simultaneously too :) |
| 01:08.47 | cheako | What's the point of running another OS? why not just focus on the operations needed, even forget about running applications. |
| 01:08.49 | cantido | jmarsden: wine isn't a machine emulator |
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| 01:09.38 | jmarsden | Quote: cheako: I can't think of a single use for virtualizeation that su, chroot, and FreeBSD Jails don't solve. Running other OSes so you can support them, learn them, etc. is a "use" for virtualization. |
| 01:09.47 | cheako | Most of the tings ppl use 2008 server are covered by postgres, mysql, and apache. |
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| 01:10.25 | abrotman | wonders about this Debian 2008 ... |
| 01:10.58 | cantido | cheako: what about big enterprise apps.. yeah you can wack a lamp stack up pretty quick, but that isn't all "servers" do |
| 01:11.58 | macrobat | are keys for deb and deb-src not the same? |
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| 01:19.20 | cheako | I still wonder if wine, or something like wine, could run MsSQL or IIS? I'm hopping ReactOS will help move this forward. |
| 01:20.51 | nevyn | cantido: enterprise apps arn't big... |
| 01:20.52 | nevyn | not really |
| 01:21.37 | abrotman | wonders what this has to do with debian |
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| 01:25.44 | luke3321 | Anyone know what the difference is between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? |
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| 01:29.16 | cantido | luke3321: one is written in Perl (I think) and the other is written in c |
| 01:29.17 | sanmarcos | I am trying to upgrade to sid from stable by puting "unstable" in my sources.list and doing an apt-get update, then dist-upgrade, but I get this: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 01:29.20 | sanmarcos | any ideas? |
| 01:29.34 | sanmarcos | I need unstable because I have to build .deb packages. |
| 01:30.00 | luke3321 | cantido: Thanks, someone in another channel beat you tho ;) But you are right |
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| 01:32.58 | sanmarcos | changing to http fixed it |
| 01:33.03 | sanmarcos | ftp.us debian is broken for unstable |
| 01:33.21 | abrotman | they're the same |
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| 01:33.29 | abrotman | you probably got unlucky in the round-robin |
| 01:33.57 | sanmarcos | is apt still broken in sid? |
| 01:34.05 | abrotman | apt isn't broken |
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| 01:34.26 | stew | sanmarcos: which bug# are you talking about? |
| 01:34.29 | sanmarcos | apt-utils or apt it was broken yesterday ,it wouldnt install because of dependencies |
| 01:34.45 | abrotman | the apt 32bit stuff for 64bit ? |
| 01:34.46 | sanmarcos | at least that is what happened when I tried to bootstrap a sid distro from in lenny |
| 01:34.52 | phorce1 | sanmarcos: I've had to ^C multiple times to break out of stuck updates. ^C restart, ^C restart, etc. Eventually the round robin will give you a non-broken mirror |
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| 01:37.26 | sanmarcos | when I submit my debian package for sid, it automatically gets built and put into testing by debian right? |
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| 01:37.54 | abrotman | sanmarcos: not 'automatically' |
| 01:38.03 | abrotman | it has to meet qualifications |
| 01:38.15 | sanmarcos | where can find out about those qualifications? |
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| 01:39.05 | cantido | If you're not a dd you'll need to find someone that'll assist you in getting the package uploaded for starters.. |
| 01:39.20 | stew | sanmarcos: the developers reference |
| 01:39.22 | sanmarcos | yes I know, but how is the process of getting the package from unstable into testing |
| 01:39.45 | stew | sanmarcos: there is a section in the DDR called "the testing distribution" |
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| 01:39.50 | stew | (iirc) |
| 01:41.00 | sanmarcos | yes, thanks, I am updating to sid now to build my package, thanks |
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| 01:43.32 | lurk01 | greetings all. the #exim channel seems to be dead. anyone know whereels i may find real-time help befoire going to the exim-users mailing list?... |
| 01:43.37 | cantido | hopes it's not going to be one of those packages that goes in and then has no upstream support ;) |
| 01:44.07 | abrotman | lurk01: using debian ? |
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| 01:45.31 | sanmarcos | I use postfix and dovecot personally |
| 01:45.44 | lurk01 | abrotman: yes. but monolithic config |
| 01:45.47 | sanmarcos | find them very easy to configure, specially dovecot it works with just two or three lines |
| 01:46.06 | abrotman | lurk01: try here .. you may get a resonse |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | response |
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| 01:48.45 | racecar56 | what's a terminal that dosen't print a ³ if i hit alt+3? |
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| 01:50.14 | lurk01 | abrotman: et al. i'm looking for examples or a cookbook on setting up client side authentication *to multiple* servers. different userid/password combinations on each. for my home system going to isp/gmail/oter-provider. usually using port 587 (thank you comcast) individual auth's work fine. it's settingup the multiple transport auth's i'm getting confused on. thanx in advance? |
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| 01:50.52 | abrotman | lurk01: i tend to not use exim myself .. but someone else may know |
| 01:51.29 | lurk01 | thnx. the question is open. i'll be standing bye. :-o |
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| 01:57.20 | jackylee | how to change hostname? thx |
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| 01:57.45 | DeSian | jackylee, /etc/hosname |
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| 01:57.58 | abrotman | i |
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| 01:58.36 | jackylee | thx |
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| 01:59.01 | DeSian | np |
| 01:59.12 | trakcyia | I blacklisted ath9k but it still loads? |
| 02:00.50 | abrotman | !tell trakcyia about blacklist |
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| 02:00.56 | abrotman | !tell trakcyia about initramfs-blacklist |
| 02:01.06 | abrotman | bleh .. backwards |
| 02:01.11 | abrotman | !tell trakcyia about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 02:01.44 | trakcyia | thanks abrotman |
| 02:01.45 | DeSian | :) |
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| 02:04.59 | cheako | !tell cheako about blacklist-initramfs |
| 02:05.09 | cheako | !tell cheako about blacklist |
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| 02:13.44 | squisher | does anyone know why file -i might return very inaccurate info for me? |
| 02:14.13 | squisher | a .iso file is correctly identified w/o '-i', but with it specified it says it's application/octet-stream' |
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| 02:15.27 | marcompile | hello. My grub is not listing my windows partitions on the first HD, when I set root=(hd0,1) i get "no such partition". fdisk shows these partitions and grub-emu too. But the real grub won't. Does anyone have any clues? |
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| 02:15.48 | squisher | marcompile, tried the autocomplete function of grub? |
| 02:16.18 | squisher | also, what version are you using? At least in -legacy there is a drive.map file I believe |
| 02:16.42 | marcompile | squisher: yes it won't work. I also tried the ls command of grub and it shows (hd0), (hd1), (hd1,1)... etc but not (hd0,1) and (hd0,2) |
| 02:16.56 | marcompile | im using grub 1.96 from debian 5.02 |
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| 02:17.19 | abrotman | os-prober is nice for stuff like that |
| 02:17.43 | squisher | marcompile, that's grub-legacy or grub-pc? I'd switch versions to see if the other handles it better |
| 02:17.58 | marcompile | thats not grub-legacy |
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| 02:18.52 | trakcyia | ath9k is a module not a driver how do I disable it? |
| 02:19.21 | abrotman | same thing? |
| 02:19.30 | trakcyia | it still loaded |
| 02:19.46 | trakcyia | so says lspci -k |
| 02:20.00 | marcompile | grub-pc is working well for my second HD with debian installed. It lists all partitions, but not lists parts from first HD (with windows7 installed) |
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| 02:21.27 | jackylee | Hi guys, I met with a wired problem. I use visudo to add a user to sudoers. But It does not take effect. Any hints is welcome. |
| 02:22.11 | trakcyia | marcompile did you set a chainloader in you menu.lst? |
| 02:22.26 | nevyn | jackylee: pastebin the sudoers. |
| 02:22.57 | nevyn | jackylee: sudoers syntax can be tricky |
| 02:23.02 | marcompile | trakcyia: yes. os-prober lists my windows partition and debian install created the grub.cfg right |
| 02:23.41 | marcompile | the problem is with grub not "detecting" the partitions from the first HD |
| 02:24.10 | trakcyia | what is the error? |
| 02:24.18 | marcompile | there are two partitions: one 1GB with the windows loader (the one i want to chainload) and the other is the actual windows system with 450GB |
| 02:24.30 | marcompile | "no such partition" |
| 02:24.47 | marcompile | the grub command ls should list my available partitions |
| 02:24.56 | marcompile | it lists from the (hd1) but not from (hd0) |
| 02:25.00 | trakcyia | could you pastebin you menu.lst? |
| 02:25.17 | marcompile | yes. but i am 100% shure it is correct |
| 02:25.19 | jackylee | nevyn:http://pastebin.com/d579d10fe |
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| 02:26.26 | nikki93 | Hey guys! |
| 02:26.39 | nikki93 | Newly installed Debian now. :) |
| 02:27.29 | shirowtaku | Penny? |
| 02:27.34 | shirowtaku | Penny |
| 02:27.43 | marcompile | http://pastebin.com/m5d942209 |
| 02:27.49 | shirowtaku | Lenny |
| 02:27.53 | shirowtaku | ? |
| 02:27.55 | marcompile | shirowtaku Sheldon |
| 02:27.58 | nikki93 | Squeeze. |
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| 02:28.08 | jackylee | nevyn: It just complains jackylee is not allowed to run sudo on debian. This incident will be reported. While in sudoers it is set |
| 02:28.36 | marcompile | trakcyia: i think it is a problem with grub, since it does not show the partitions with the command ls |
| 02:28.37 | nikki93 | I chose not to install any desktop environment. I installed xmonad, and then I just remembered... I need to install Xorg. :P |
| 02:28.53 | abrotman | nikki93: aptitude install xmonad xorg |
| 02:28.55 | nikki93 | So, what do you need to install to get X running? The 'xorg' package, and display drivers, that's it? |
| 02:28.59 | shirowtaku | Debian only knows su, doesnt it? |
| 02:29.03 | nikki93 | abrotman: Yeah, done xmonad already, gotta get xorg. |
| 02:29.09 | nikki93 | abrotman: Does it get display drivers too? |
| 02:29.15 | abrotman | nikki93: and install xdm/gdm/kdm if you want one of those |
| 02:29.17 | abrotman | nikki93: yep |
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| 02:29.33 | abrotman | it will get free ones .. ikf you need nvidia/ati binary stuff ..that's another step |
| 02:29.39 | nikki93 | abrotman: Does it just get vesa? Or does it magically detect my graphics hardware? |
| 02:29.52 | meglo | shingouz, sudo is in the repos, if not in the base system |
| 02:29.56 | trakcyia | marcompile have you tried adding makeactive |
| 02:30.03 | abrotman | nikki93: it will do the best it can |
| 02:30.04 | jackylee | http://pastebin.com/d579d10fe |
| 02:30.05 | FreakGuard | where's the file feeding dmesg? |
| 02:30.08 | nikki93 | abrotman: :o |
| 02:30.10 | meglo | nikki93, it grabs everything |
| 02:30.27 | abrotman | nikki93: if your card isn't supported by the free drivers that you're getting, it'll use vesa |
| 02:30.33 | nikki93 | Do you guys recommend using the server reported by netselect-apt? |
| 02:30.49 | abrotman | just picks random ones in his country |
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| 02:30.52 | nikki93 | abrotman: Oh, it's looking only for free, right? Hmm... I'm on intel integrated. |
| 02:31.02 | meglo | you'll have a free driver then |
| 02:31.04 | abrotman | nikki93: should be fine unless it's really new hardware |
| 02:31.11 | nikki93 | abrotman: Ok. |
| 02:31.18 | meglo | a good one too if unless it is GMA500 or whatever |
| 02:31.25 | meglo | I hear that is a mess |
| 02:31.27 | trakcyia | makeactive should be put under set root for windows |
| 02:31.28 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device [8086:3582] (rev 01) |
| 02:31.33 | abrotman | and i've never had to do a special thing for it |
| 02:31.51 | nikki93 | lspci | grep VGA tells me it's 940GM |
| 02:32.04 | nikki93 | abrotman: Cool. |
| 02:32.10 | meglo | probably a gma3000 or whatever |
| 02:32.17 | nikki93 | The 'unofficial' mirrors are safe? |
| 02:32.20 | meglo | 'or whatever' need to stop saying that |
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| 02:32.32 | cheako | I was reading the release goals for Squeeze, looks like debtorrent/apt-p2p are not on the list. |
| 02:32.33 | nikki93 | I mean, is it possible that some of them have outdated versions of packages, etc.? |
| 02:32.34 | meglo | nikki93, that chipset has GMA3000(X?) or similar |
| 02:32.44 | nikki93 | meglo: Dunno. |
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| 02:33.04 | marcompile | is there a grub command to re-scan partitions (and maybe debug output) ? |
| 02:33.06 | nevyn | jackylee: what's set in sudoers... |
| 02:33.14 | abrotman | meglo: no .. that chipset is far older |
| 02:33.27 | nevyn | jackylee: sudoers configuration is not at all straightforward. |
| 02:33.28 | nikki93 | I used to use Arch on the desktop. Now I'm on vacation actually, on the laptop, (at my grandparents' place. :P ) and it doesn't work with the Wifi. I thought, bah, and tried out Debian. Worked. :D |
| 02:33.29 | abrotman | meglo: mine is 8xxGM .. and it's from like 2004 |
| 02:33.34 | cheako | The vision to have all the mirrors part of a cluster where your client chooses multiple servers and fetches pieces from all of them sounds interesting. |
| 02:33.36 | meglo | cheako, what would be nice is deltadebs, like deltarpms you can download the diffs of the binaries instead of the entire package to replace it |
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| 02:33.57 | meglo | abrotman, his is a 940GM |
| 02:34.00 | meglo | I think that is a mobile |
| 02:34.03 | abrotman | cheako: they already exist |
| 02:34.12 | nevyn | jackylee: if you copied the line root ALL=(ALL) ALL to jackylee ALL=(ALL) ALL that's about as simple as it gets.. |
| 02:34.12 | abrotman | meglo: so is mine .. so his is maybe from 2005/6 |
| 02:34.16 | marcompile | trakcyia my windows partition is already the only active partition on the drive, and I already tried, the error displays after the set root=(hd0,1) command |
| 02:34.22 | meglo | abrotman, ah nm |
| 02:34.24 | nikki93 | Replacing 'squeeze' with 'testing' in the sources.list has the same effecT? |
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| 02:34.42 | abrotman | nikki93: you should be pointing at lenny or squeeze |
| 02:34.43 | cheako | meglo: Diffs of binary pkgs are likely to contain scattered changes thought, as pointers are updated. |
| 02:34.48 | jackylee | nevyn: I just wanna user jackylee can have privilege to execute command as root. This is what I want |
| 02:35.00 | meglo | cheako, I wouldn't know, but it seems to be working out for Fedora. |
| 02:35.05 | nikki93 | abrotman: I see. So just 'testing' instead of 'squeeze' would get what? |
| 02:35.11 | trakcyia | hmm marcompile sorry i cant help |
| 02:35.11 | abrotman | nikki93: you should be pointing at lenny or squeeze |
| 02:35.16 | nikki93 | kk |
| 02:35.29 | abrotman | lenny is currently stable, squeeze is currently testing .. |
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| 02:35.44 | abrotman | most people new to debian should run stable |
| 02:35.51 | nikki93 | Yup, but if I write 'testing' in sources.list, it'll get me squeeze? |
| 02:35.58 | cheako | meglo: I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just saying that it's not optimal to diff binary files. |
| 02:36.03 | nikki93 | abrotman: Well, I'm new to Debian, but not Linux. That'd count as? |
| 02:36.13 | abrotman | nikki93: please write 'squeeze', not 'testing' |
| 02:36.16 | cheako | It's even worse to have every one compile from source. |
| 02:36.23 | nikki93 | abrotman: Got it, thanks. |
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| 02:40.14 | nevyn | jackylee: put the sudoers config in a patebin |
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| 02:40.28 | nevyn | jackylee_: pastebin |
| 02:40.35 | nevyn | !pastebin jackylee_ |
| 02:40.51 | jackylee | http://pastebin.com/d579d10fe |
| 02:41.45 | nevyn | jackylee: so that should work. |
| 02:41.54 | nevyn | jackylee: are you in the sudo group? |
| 02:42.04 | jackylee | I will check to see it |
| 02:42.55 | jackylee | Ya, maybe this is the problem. not in the sudo group. thanks a lot |
| 02:43.11 | nevyn | jackylee: re-comment the line starting %sudo in the sudoers you don't need it. |
| 02:43.26 | jackylee | Ok, thanks a lot. |
| 02:43.35 | lurk01 | guesses there are no exim specialists around and goes off in search of a listserve... |
| 02:44.27 | abrotman | lurk01: possibly try agian tomorrow .. sunday evenings are pretty empty around here |
| 02:44.45 | Shazzamy_ | who here has an iPhone or and iPod touch? |
| 02:45.11 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:45.37 | Shazzamy_ | i have another question after some other people answer |
| 02:47.10 | cheako | I just read something today about how ppl will not bother, and also avoid, to answer questions that will put them on the spot to answer other questions. |
| 02:47.24 | abrotman | Shazzamy_: please ask your real question |
| 02:47.25 | Shazzamy_ | LOL |
| 02:47.30 | Shazzamy_ | i did? |
| 02:47.37 | marcompile | It seems like grub-legacy is broken on debian, since it requires grub-common that is stage files, and grub modules for grub2 |
| 02:47.40 | abrotman | no, that's not a real question |
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| 02:48.03 | Shazzamy_ | Who here owns an iPod touch or iPhone that is jailbroken and knows about the iphonelinux project? |
| 02:48.12 | abrotman | how is that related to Debian ? |
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| 02:48.26 | abrotman | maybe try ##iphone ? |
| 02:48.35 | jackylee_ | nevyn: wired again. Just comment line with %sudo, won't work again |
| 02:48.49 | Shazzamy_ | because if someone here does, and knows a great deal about debian, they can help with the project to bring debian to the iPhone/iPod touch |
| 02:49.07 | Shazzamy_ | lol ##iphone does nother, it is a crappy channel |
| 02:49.14 | Shazzamy_ | nothing* |
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| 02:50.41 | lurk01 | abrotman: k. if i have the patience and haven't found a solution. : - ) |
| 02:51.04 | abrotman | lurk01: understood |
| 02:52.37 | jackylee | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.16 | cheako | meglo: It seams to me that the real answer to deltadebs is to split packages up so there are many small packages. |
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| 02:54.04 | cheako | The only reference I can find as to how it works only mentions that you won't have to download the vary large package for every update. |
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| 02:55.12 | cheako | Savings from 60 to 80%, but that's likely if you mix data files(like fonts) and binary(like ?libxfont?) in the same package. |
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| 02:56.58 | bbelt16ag2 | hey peeps its me again i need some assistance with samba and AD and winbind on my deiban server that samba chat is dead atm.. |
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| 02:58.53 | nikki93 | Does ftp.dti.ad.jp look like a good server? |
| 02:58.56 | bbelt16ag2 | http://pastebin.ca/1516282 |
| 02:58.57 | bbelt16ag2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.59 | bbelt16ag2 | http://pastebin.ca/1516286 |
| 02:59.01 | bbelt16ag2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.08 | bbelt16ag2 | those are my configs |
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| 03:02.54 | bbelt16ag2 | sigh it seem my kerboes is the culprit |
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| 03:03.21 | bbelt16ag2 | here is the how to i am using http://wiki.debian.org/JohnJacob |
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| 03:07.48 | Travelerooq | hi all, been out of Debian for a *long* time, can someone point me to a good X/debian source please? |
| 03:09.15 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps is the first post you seen from me in the past 5 min or you get my problem and links already? hving irc issues |
| 03:09.59 | cheako | Travelerooq: I'm on OFTX #debian-x had good help there. |
| 03:10.08 | cheako | Err: OFTC. |
| 03:10.11 | bbelt16ag | her are my links again having issues with kerebos and samb authentication on windows AD |
| 03:10.16 | bbelt16ag | here are my links http://pastebin.ca/1516282 http://pastebin.ca/1516283 http://pastebin.ca/1516286 http://pastebin.ca/1516284 |
| 03:10.27 | Travelerooq | cheako: thanks |
| 03:10.50 | cheako | I'm unsure why FreeNode and OFTC are two networks, kinda lame I think. |
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| 03:18.52 | bbelt16ag | i got it |
| 03:19.05 | bbelt16ag | wasnt in all caps when i did it |
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| 03:20.36 | savage423 | hi can anyone tell me why im seeing horizontal frames during video playback...i have nvidia 7300card |
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| 03:20.54 | savage423 | i installed nvidia driver and generated xorg.conf |
| 03:22.47 | nikki93 | What's the entry I need to add in /etc/sudoers (editing with visudo) to get 'sudoability' for, say, 'user'? (I forgot. :P ) |
| 03:23.18 | savage423 | nikki93: usnername ALL=(ALL)ALL |
| 03:23.20 | savage423 | i think |
| 03:23.26 | savage423 | now help me in return :P |
| 03:24.03 | nikki93 | savage423: k how can I? |
| 03:24.18 | savage423 | im seeing horizontal frames during video playback...i have nvidia 7300card |
| 03:24.49 | savage423 | its like the video isnt smooth |
| 03:24.58 | cheako | savage423: there are lot of video playback options, each application typically has several output drivers to choose from. |
| 03:25.22 | savage423 | cheako: which video op should i choose for nvidia? |
| 03:25.30 | nikki93 | savage423: Unfortunately I'm new to debian. If it was arch I could help. I'm not sure what nvidia packages are available etc. |
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| 03:25.36 | cheako | savage423: On top of that each output driver may have several options to alter it's behavior. |
| 03:25.38 | nikki93 | savage423: Mess around with nvidia-settings. |
| 03:25.52 | savage423 | i havetried xv and gl2 doesnt help |
| 03:25.58 | savage423 | noticed this in sidux as well |
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| 03:26.08 | cheako | savage423: This is not only dependent on your hardware, but also your software and perhaps other factors. |
| 03:26.16 | savage423 | nikki93: in arch it works fine :p |
| 03:26.24 | craigevil | !nvidia |
| 03:26.25 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 03:26.25 | savage423 | hmm |
| 03:26.33 | cheako | savage423: Try each option and see what works best for you. |
| 03:27.32 | xmxm | savage423: Did you try smplayer? |
| 03:27.39 | cheako | savage423: I've used xvideo(run xvinfo) and SDL. |
| 03:28.03 | savage423 | xmxm: i used vlc and smplayer both |
| 03:28.24 | savage423 | i think i either need to turn on/off somethin in xorg.conf |
| 03:28.57 | craigevil | savage423: check that "nvidia" is being used in your xorg.conf |
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| 03:29.28 | bpun | !nvidia-settings |
| 03:29.32 | savage423 | yes the driver is nvidia...can i paste pastebin link here? |
| 03:29.41 | ctmjr | savage423: you running compiz or any compositing window managers? |
| 03:29.44 | cheako | savage423: I've used mplayer(I don't like smplayer), xine(kinda difficult to use), and totem |
| 03:30.08 | bpun | tried out nvidia-settings yesterday.. it's pretty good |
| 03:30.19 | cheako | savage423: mplayer is by far the most used, gmplayer is not always bad. |
| 03:30.46 | savage423 | hmm...no i dont have compiz or emerald |
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| 03:31.54 | savage423 | can anyone having nvidia card give me their xorg.conf? it wud help if i can compare the two |
| 03:32.02 | savage423 | is asking for too much |
| 03:32.05 | savage423 | :P |
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| 03:32.28 | bpun | do i use the microcode package for amd processors as well? |
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| 03:33.13 | cheako | savage423: It used to be that these config files were uniq to the monitor/video card set, in that unless you had the same monitor and video card your results would be different.. |
| 03:33.39 | cheako | savage423: These days you can blank out "Option" lines and get back to the /default/ settings. |
| 03:33.42 | savage423 | i did nvidia-xconfig and let it create my xorg :( |
| 03:34.20 | cheako | savage423: Hmm, try using Xorg -configure |
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| 03:34.56 | bpun | savage423, try this, (/etc/init.d/gdm stop, run X -configure, copy the .new file to /etc/X11, login to your regular X session in root account, then run nvidia-settings) |
| 03:35.10 | nikki93 | Is there anything like Arch's AUR for Debian? |
| 03:35.11 | bpun | savage423, (/etc/init.d/gdm start, after copying .new file) |
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| 03:37.07 | savage423 | i have kde running |
| 03:37.34 | bpun | savage423, are you currently using an xorg.conf file? |
| 03:37.41 | savage423 | yes |
| 03:37.43 | craigevil | nikki93: you mean 3rd party repos? |
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| 03:38.01 | bpun | savage423, so try the nvidia driver instead of the nv driver |
| 03:38.36 | savage423 | i did..when i used nvidia-xconfig it did have "nvidia driver" |
| 03:39.00 | bpun | savage423, so try the nvidia-settings and choose 'high performance' , then save the changes.. |
| 03:39.22 | bpun | savage423, u need to be in an X session with root account, to run nvidia-settings |
| 03:39.46 | savage423 | k will try this |
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| 03:40.19 | bpun | savage423, just undo any tweaks u made in xorg.conf... then narrow down what could be causing problems |
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| 03:41.23 | bbelt16ag | hey |
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| 03:43.08 | nikki93 | craigevil: I mean, 'user' repos, that everyone's free to upload to, and packages can have 'build scripts' and stuff. |
| 03:44.13 | craigevil | hm then nope, unless you know someone that has a repo server :) |
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| 03:45.01 | gumbox | Hi, I'm trying to get USB devices to automount when plugged in. I've got Hal, but can't seem to figure it out... can anyone shine a light on that.. gimme something to read.. some guide, please? |
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| 03:46.22 | enouf | hello - first time using debootstrap - question is, should i use it in my situation?, or just boot a netinstall cd or something? situation is; i'm ssh'd into a server on my LAN, that's now booted into a live knoppix instance(the one HDD i just installed wasn't yet partitioned, and now it is, with (hda2)reiserfs + (hda1)swap), i'm going to install debian - and i know knoppix isn't using any swap, since it wasn't there when i booted livecd (cat |
| 03:46.41 | enouf | (let me know if that message was truncated) |
| 03:46.46 | craigevil | gumbox: gnome/kde should automount , if your using xfce or another wm take a look at ivman |
| 03:46.54 | enouf | it just seems to me that with debootstrap, i'd end up with debian installed into <some-directory> _beneath_ '/' .. and that's not really waht i want, right? |
| 03:48.03 | smacnay | Is there an issue with aptitude and libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6-4.7 right now? I am looking for bugs but see none at bugs.debian.org |
| 03:48.19 | bpun | enouf, sure! lol |
| 03:48.24 | bpun | enouf, new to debootstrap eh? |
| 03:48.25 | bpun | hehehe |
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| 03:49.21 | Jckf|LT | Which package has the ppc32 command? |
| 03:49.42 | enouf | bpun: well - new to many tools/install methods .. i usually use a CD |
| 03:49.48 | gumbox | craigevil: I'm using openbox. I'll take a look on this ivman thing of yours.. thanks :) |
| 03:49.56 | smacnay | found it - the bug report |
| 03:49.56 | bpun | enouf, there's pxe for debian.. |
| 03:49.58 | enouf | Jckf|LT: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:50.12 | bpun | enouf, but i haven't had a chance to try it (bios needs to to net rom boot support) |
| 03:50.19 | enouf | bpun: yeah, i know, but i think this old dell workstation's PXE is broke |
| 03:50.35 | Jckf|LT | It doesn't know, enouf |
| 03:50.38 | enouf | (atleast until i iflash the BIOS) |
| 03:50.41 | enouf | to latest |
| 03:50.48 | enouf | Jckf|LT: it? |
| 03:50.54 | enouf | !search |
| 03:50.54 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 03:52.21 | bpun | enouf, if it's helpful, maybe you can debootstrap onto the reiserfs .. |
| 03:52.45 | bpun | enouf, (and as things currently are.. providing you have access to debootstrap under knoppix) |
| 03:53.58 | bpun | enouf, " (cat " if you wanted to post some question about a command, it was truncated.. |
| 03:54.49 | enouf | bpun: it does have an older version, but consider it's a 5.1 DVD, yet i don't see how this is going to workout, and the .. wait .. let me mount the partition i want it on |
| 03:55.03 | enouf | bpun: 2.6.19 kernel, so etch era |
| 03:55.24 | enouf | bpun: "(cat /proc/swaps shows nothing too)" |
| 03:55.28 | enouf | that's all |
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| 03:55.52 | enouf | E: Failed getting release file http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release |
| 03:55.55 | bpun | enouf, i believe debootstrap, u can ask for lenny as a param.. |
| 03:56.05 | TTimo | hello .. how can I install/use specific locales? I need to run some things under FR / DE locales to test out |
| 03:56.54 | enouf | i don't want lenny - but that's not the point, i can't seeem to access any of the debian mirrors, as i tried installing say htop earlier, and ran into all sorts of errors, but no mirrors could be reached, likely a GPG issue, debian-archive-keyring, etc |
| 03:57.14 | enouf | knoppix@Knoppix:/usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts$ ls |
| 03:57.15 | enouf | breezy etch hoary hoary.buildd potato sarge sarge.buildd sarge.fakechroot sid warty warty.buildd woody woody.buildd |
| 03:57.34 | bpun | enouf, interesting.. actually i was perusing the stupid manpage.. there's actually a keyring param if it helps in any strange way.. |
| 03:57.44 | bpun | hates working out keyring issues |
| 03:58.02 | enouf | bpun: i don't think in earlier versions |
| 03:58.32 | marcompile | enouf |
| 03:58.36 | marcompile | enouf: hello |
| 03:59.07 | enouf | see, but say i mount the partition on say, /mnt/point, that ain't going to be '/' .. i mean negating the livecd boot, there is no '/' |
| 03:59.12 | enouf | marcompile: hi |
| 03:59.31 | enouf | not to mention ...nm ... |
| 03:59.39 | bpun | enouf, you should be able to chroot .. |
| 03:59.50 | enouf | bpun: but i don't want chroot |
| 03:59.51 | marcompile | enouf you use debootstrap to create the base debian system, then you can chroot into it |
| 04:00.02 | enouf | i want debian installed as '/' |
| 04:00.34 | enouf | i can always chroot into ANY other / fs, the issue is installing a / FS from the start |
| 04:00.47 | marcompile | enouf: first you bootstrap somewhere, then you chroot, and install grub, then reboot and grub will boot into your new system (will be mounted at /) |
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| 04:00.52 | bpun | enouf, you can use a 2mb grub .iso which can potentially repair the mbr for bootstrapping the new system |
| 04:00.59 | enouf | marcompile: oh .. hrm |
| 04:01.18 | enouf | bpun: i have all that handy .. somewhat, yes - not worried about that per se |
| 04:01.38 | bpun | enouf, if u can fix that mbr, then there should be any worry to continue .. |
| 04:01.44 | marcompile | you will have to bootstrap in a dir with a mounted filesystem. later, when your linux boots into the fs it will be on / |
| 04:01.50 | bpun | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.51 | enouf | marcompile: does bootstrapping happen during debootstrap? |
| 04:02.10 | bpun | enouf, i don't think it does.. |
| 04:02.20 | enouf | marcompile: well, then i'll have my / FS mount on /mnt/point - i don't want that |
| 04:02.41 | marcompile | enouf no |
| 04:03.02 | marcompile | enouf: you use a livecd to boot, everything will be in a ramdisk (kind of) |
| 04:03.23 | marcompile | than you have access to your hard drive, you format the partition and mount it anywhere (using the livecd) |
| 04:03.29 | marcompile | then you bootstrap |
| 04:03.30 | enouf | marcompile: how about this; how about just get me attached to any mirror and i'll attempt anything - the HDD is freshly partitioned and formatted (hda1 == swap, hda2 == resierfs) |
| 04:03.36 | enouf | nothing on either |
| 04:03.49 | marcompile | so under /mnt/point you will have the partition mounted, with bin, etc, usr... |
| 04:03.53 | enouf | oh, so i have to "reboot" 1stanyway |
| 04:04.07 | enouf | if i'm going to do THAT, then i'll just boot into a netinstall |
| 04:04.12 | marcompile | after this you can boot a linux kernel and pass the root= option so it will mount the desired partition under / |
| 04:04.44 | enouf | is completely not getting it, but i appreciate all the help |
| 04:04.48 | marcompile | enouf: I would use the debian businesscard to install debian, and no need to bootstrap. Bootstrap is for when you have a different unix system |
| 04:04.59 | enouf | marcompile: right .... ok then |
| 04:05.07 | marcompile | what do you want to do? |
| 04:05.13 | marcompile | do you want to install debian? |
| 04:05.19 | enouf | or a diffeerent SUITE of debian, or you want a buildd environment, or test shit out |
| 04:05.21 | marcompile | so why don't you use the debian install cd? |
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| 04:05.35 | enouf | ofcourse |
| 04:05.42 | enouf | marcompile: i can and will |
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| 04:05.49 | enouf | you missed my initial query |
| 04:05.59 | enouf | 23:44 < enouf> hello - first time using debootstrap - question is, should i use it in my situation?, or just boot a netinstall cd or something? situation is; i'm ssh'd into a server on my LAN, that's now booted into a live knoppix instance(the one HDD i just installed wasn't yet partitioned, and now it is, with (hda2)reiserfs + (hda1)swap), i'm going to install debian - |
| 04:06.02 | marcompile | i have a lot of different debian bootstraps in my machine (different versions and archs) and i use them over nfsroot |
| 04:06.04 | bpun | enouf, ur initial query was truncated :) |
| 04:06.05 | enouf | and i know knoppix isn't using any swap, since it wasn't there when i booted livecd (cat /proc/swaps shows nothing too) |
| 04:06.11 | enouf | 23:45 < enouf> it just seems to me that with debootstrap, i'd end up with debian installed into <some-directory> _beneath_ '/' .. and that's not really waht i want, right? |
| 04:06.26 | uchihazombie | anyone here wants to brawl? |
| 04:06.40 | bpun | enouf, no.. debootstrap only copies to the point u ask it to.. |
| 04:06.43 | enouf | marcompile: i have a lot of different Debian installs on various HDDs that i can either boot into ---or-- chroot into at any time |
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| 04:07.05 | shivraj | what benefits are there in squeeze ? |
| 04:07.21 | shivraj | and what names will debian use when they run out of toy story names ? |
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| 04:07.33 | bpun | shivraj, there's no squeeze |
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| 04:07.41 | bpun | !squeeze |
| 04:07.41 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 Will be known as Debian 6.0. |
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| 04:07.52 | shivraj | heh testing |
| 04:07.58 | enouf | marcompile: bpun thanks for the support ... i appreciate it |
| 04:07.59 | bpun | shingouz, testing is testing |
| 04:08.24 | marcompile | enouf: ok, so if you want to install debian from a knoppix livecd you will have to mkfs, then mount, then bootstrap. so debian will be installed into your new partition. Then you will have to boot a kernel and pass root=/dev/hda2, it will boot and mount your new system (once mounted on /mnt/point in knoppix) on / |
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| 04:08.53 | bpun | marcompile, does --second-stage do a good job in wrapping up the bootstrapping? |
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| 04:09.28 | enouf | bpun: i could fuck with businesscard, PXE, USB key installs till the cows come home. but i'm just tired of this livecd lock down, and unable to install Debian pkgs and update/upgrade |
| 04:09.51 | enouf | marcompile: i'm ssh'd into the livecd boot |
| 04:10.00 | marcompile | I allways had bootstrap for different arch |
| 04:10.08 | bpun | enouf, y,y.. i read that people get sick of using cd's and stuff.. actually pxe is pretty fast, you'd be pretty impressed |
| 04:10.13 | marcompile | for example, bootstraping ARM debian on a x86 |
| 04:10.29 | marcompile | so I had to use --foreign than boot over nfs and do the second stage |
| 04:10.38 | bpun | enouf, u can even run rescue systems from pxe.. |
| 04:10.44 | enouf | knoppix@Knoppix:~$ sudo fdisk -l | tail -2 | xargs |
| 04:10.45 | enouf | /dev/hda1 1 123 987966 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/hda2 124 2556 19543072+ 83 Linux |
| 04:10.51 | marcompile | but i think that if you are bootstrapping for the same arch you can do both stages at once |
| 04:11.21 | enouf | is still not getting this .. but ok ... thanks again |
| 04:11.23 | craigevil | gumbox: you still there? if you are take a look at http://productivelinux.com/2009/01/31/how-to-automatically-mount-usb-drives-with-rox-filer-ivman-and-pmount/ |
| 04:11.24 | marcompile | i mean: not use --foreign not --second stage and it will do everything in order |
| 04:11.55 | bpun | marcompile, (he's sshd into a knoppix boot cd) -- he says debootstrap fails against sid.. |
| 04:11.58 | sanmarcos | debian lenny is the worst piece of shit i have virtualized yet |
| 04:12.19 | marcompile | sanmarcos: virtualize hurd |
| 04:12.26 | pipeline | huh |
| 04:12.29 | pipeline | lenny supports vmware tools |
| 04:12.34 | pipeline | I don't see what the problem could be |
| 04:12.39 | pipeline | are you virtualizing debian/mipsel :D |
| 04:12.50 | sanmarcos | nothing works, vmare tools works like shit, the gnome-screensaver by default bullshit blocked out my screen |
| 04:13.06 | sanmarcos | in the middle of a dist-upgrade |
| 04:13.08 | marcompile | enouf: so you are mkfs on the new filesystem them mounting on /mnt/point then debootstrap what is the command you are using for bootstrap? |
| 04:13.12 | bpun | sanmarcos, if ur processor doesn't support vt feature.. then y.. it can be slow.. |
| 04:13.19 | sanmarcos | bpun: i have a core 2 duo |
| 04:13.20 | enouf | marcompile: $ sudo mount -t reiserfs -o,rw,notail,data=journal /dev/hda2 /mnt/debootstrap |
| 04:13.24 | bpun | sanmarcos, so? |
| 04:13.31 | enouf | so the mounting is done, now... what |
| 04:13.33 | sanmarcos | bpun: Windows 7 virtualizes better than lenny |
| 04:13.41 | bpun | sanmarcos, check ur processor's faq page.. see if it supports a paravirt feature |
| 04:13.41 | pipeline | sanmarcos: vmware tools will work on debian lenny just like it works on any other linux system. You do need build tools, of course. The VMware documentation will assist you. |
| 04:13.53 | bpun | sanmarcos, whatever, u can leave ok? |
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| 04:13.55 | pipeline | bpun: first off, speak english. This IRC, not a telehpone text. |
| 04:13.56 | enouf | marcompile: how do i 'bootstrap' as you describe above? |
| 04:14.02 | marcompile | sanmarcos: what are you using to virtualize ? |
| 04:14.07 | sanmarcos | pipeline: hmm no, I think the X and other tools are so old that some of the features like mouse to the edge don't work |
| 04:14.07 | bpun | pipeline, ^^ |
| 04:14.14 | pipeline | bpun: secondly, Intel VT extensions are not required for high virtualization performance. |
| 04:14.21 | marcompile | enouf: just a sec im looking the guide |
| 04:14.22 | bpun | pipeline, ? |
| 04:14.37 | bpun | pipeline, sanmarcos , head to #vmware.. |
| 04:14.40 | pipeline | sanmarcos: That might be true on potato. The current VMware driver for X11 should work on just about any Linux variant from the last ten years. |
| 04:14.42 | bpun | doesn't support vmware |
| 04:14.45 | enouf | marcompile: thank you - just trying to understand you, not asking you to read docs for me ;-P |
| 04:14.52 | pipeline | bpun: That is fine. Nothing is asked of you but your silence. |
| 04:15.01 | bpun | pipeline, I DONT CARE ABOUT VMWARE |
| 04:15.04 | enouf | stop it guys, c'mon |
| 04:15.10 | bpun | pipeline, BTW VMWARE TOOLS ARE NOT IN LENNY |
| 04:15.17 | sanmarcos | yeah I've tried mint, puppy, fedora, ubuntu, all of them worked out of the box after compiling vmware tools. With Lenny half the things of vmware tools don't work |
| 04:15.19 | enouf | heh, look whose talkin :-P |
| 04:15.22 | enouf | hides |
| 04:15.22 | bpun | pipeline, SO STFU |
| 04:15.22 | marcompile | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 04:15.34 | enouf | ... /me does use /ig on occassion ;-) |
| 04:15.35 | pipeline | bpun: a terrifying prospect. How dare someone expect third party software to work on debian?!! PERISH THE THOUGHT. |
| 04:15.42 | bpun | enouf, it's a kid.. i'll just ignore him |
| 04:15.54 | enouf | we all are kids at heart :-) |
| 04:16.11 | pipeline | sanmarcos: it's very possible that mouse-on-edge isn't supported by the vmware X11 driver. I'm not sure I've ever needed to use it. |
| 04:16.12 | bpun | enouf, he has no idea what he's talking about |
| 04:16.14 | marcompile | Cor2 CPUs have intel VT |
| 04:16.22 | bpun | silences and ignores pipeline |
| 04:16.28 | pipeline | bpun: a prudent measure |
| 04:16.31 | sanmarcos | pipeline: It worked in 10 other linux distros I tried |
| 04:16.37 | enouf | bpun: i know he's been around since before mwDMA ;-) |
| 04:16.42 | pipeline | sanmarcos: ah. Then you do indeed have a tools problem. |
| 04:16.49 | sanmarcos | pipeline: only with Lenny |
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| 04:17.21 | enouf | but yeah, vmware is so not debian ... but stuff like vbox, xen, vserver, openvz .. debian has all that + tools and shit |
| 04:17.25 | marcompile | I don't use vmware. I use VirtualBox and Lenny works fine with it |
| 04:17.33 | racecar56 | qemu ftw |
| 04:17.38 | enouf | slow |
| 04:17.42 | racecar56 | kind of |
| 04:17.43 | bpun | enouf, plus he was saying vmware tools are avail in debian.. yeah right |
| 04:17.46 | pipeline | sanmarcos: items to verify: the vmware X11 driver is present (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/somethingoranother.so) |
| 04:17.48 | racecar56 | but it's open source :d |
| 04:17.49 | bpun | enouf, it's another bozo.. |
| 04:17.53 | bpun | lol |
| 04:17.54 | marcompile | enouf did u get the link? |
| 04:17.57 | pipeline | sanmarcos: secondly, xorg.conf needs to reference the vmware-relevant driver |
| 04:18.02 | enouf | marcompile: i missed it :-( |
| 04:18.15 | enouf | 0:14 < marcompile> Cor2 CPUs have intel VT <-- not all of them |
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| 04:18.20 | sanmarcos | pipeline: thats the thing in all distros I've ever used, I've never had to touch xorg.conf! |
| 04:18.22 | enouf | marcompile: ahh .. got it now |
| 04:18.23 | marcompile | enouf http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 04:18.24 | bpun | enouf, exactly |
| 04:18.32 | racecar56 | where's a good graphical browser these days that isn't bloated? |
| 04:18.32 | sanmarcos | pipeline: it references the mouse driver though |
| 04:18.33 | bpun | enouf, watch out.. he'll come after you too! |
| 04:18.35 | bpun | lol |
| 04:18.37 | marcompile | this is exactly what you have to do |
| 04:18.37 | enouf | marcompile: Installation Guide -- heh |
| 04:19.05 | sanmarcos | racecar56: Google Chrome |
| 04:19.08 | marcompile | enouf yeah :) |
| 04:19.10 | craigevil | links2 -g |
| 04:19.10 | pipeline | sanmarcos: well, several distributions are supported explicitly by vmware, so the vmware scripts will edit it for you. |
| 04:19.15 | racecar56 | sanmarcos: umm... that's open source |
| 04:19.17 | pipeline | sanmarcos: lenny may or may not be one of those distributions. |
| 04:19.21 | sanmarcos | racecar56: it is open source |
| 04:19.23 | racecar56 | sanmarcos: NOT closed source please |
| 04:19.25 | marcompile | this section explains how to install from a different unix system using debootstrap |
| 04:19.30 | racecar56 | sanmarcos: no it isn't |
| 04:19.41 | pipeline | sanmarcos: my experience has been that you have to have all of the relevant packages installed already, otherwise vmware-config.pl will not futz about with configuration items for things that are not there. |
| 04:19.45 | racecar56 | sanmarcos: why does everyone say it is? where do you get the source anyway? |
| 04:19.53 | sanmarcos | racecar56: Chromium |
| 04:19.57 | pipeline | sanmarcos: if you have installed X11 *after* installing vmware tools, I recommend you run the config script again. |
| 04:20.05 | racecar56 | sanmarcos: ah thanks |
| 04:20.07 | craigevil | apt-get install google-chrome-unstable :) |
| 04:20.14 | marcompile | you need the kernel-headers and build-essentials to compile vmware tools |
| 04:20.25 | marcompile | and maybe some other dev packages |
| 04:20.37 | pipeline | build-essential and linux-headers-`uname -r` are enough. |
| 04:20.48 | sanmarcos | racecar56: its either that or Arora. No other choices in Linux for a good lightweight browser. Both use Webkit. There are a lot of choices in the mac though since webkit is default |
| 04:21.06 | racecar56 | sanmarcos: kk |
| 04:21.06 | craigevil | epiphany-webkit, midori |
| 04:21.10 | sanmarcos | pipeline: and symlink it to where vmware tools can find it, dpkg doenst do it |
| 04:21.23 | marcompile | lynx is lightweight |
| 04:22.05 | racecar56 | i do use lynx but it's text |
| 04:22.12 | sanmarcos | racecar56: links2 |
| 04:22.13 | enouf | marcompile: just a note; that "swapon ..." command is not going to useful, knoppix will start using it, IINM |
| 04:22.31 | bpun | racecar56, there's also w3m-img on w3m .. for images |
| 04:22.32 | pipeline | sanmarcos: c'est la vie. Running unsupported guests is always a party :) |
| 04:22.42 | enouf | !links2 |
| 04:22.43 | dpkg | [links2] a text and graphics browser with support for HTTPS and JavaScript, packaged for Debian. For using in console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in console in GUI mode). Ask me about <links2 settings>. Does not honor the <http_proxy> / <ftp_proxy> environment variables (Debian bugs #55425, #93359). http://links.twibright.com/ |
| 04:22.49 | marcompile | enouf: if you have swap already enabled (check with "free") you don't need to enable it again |
| 04:23.01 | enouf | marcompile: i do NOT .. intentionally so |
| 04:23.02 | pipeline | sanmarcos: in general, the vmware console really sucks. Use RDP or X11 forwarding to access guest VMs when possible. |
| 04:23.25 | racecar56 | sanmarcos: O_o i launched links2 and it's a blank screen |
| 04:23.30 | enouf | marcompile: i do NOT want knoppix using any swap - it fucks everything up ... even when just using knoppix |
| 04:23.32 | sanmarcos | pipeline: no man, it is awesome, it works great, drag and drop, copy paste, automatic mouse detection |
| 04:23.41 | marcompile | racecar56 links2 -g |
| 04:23.42 | sanmarcos | pipeline: i use for winxp, win7, all flavors of linux, it works great |
| 04:23.54 | pipeline | sanmarcos: I get those through RDP, but with less lag :) |
| 04:24.00 | sanmarcos | pipeline: no need.. |
| 04:24.01 | enouf | marcompile: try dd'ing a disk that knoppix is using a partition for swap :-P |
| 04:24.07 | pipeline | sanmarcos: in real life, this is what I do for a living :X |
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| 04:24.15 | bpun | wonders how great it is to get free support to install Windows 7 |
| 04:24.16 | bpun | WOW |
| 04:24.24 | bpun | VMWARE YOU GOTTA LOVE IT |
| 04:24.24 | sanmarcos | pipeline: I also get Unity mode, use guest windows as if they were native windows |
| 04:24.26 | pipeline | #debian is truly a good deal |
| 04:24.27 | racecar56 | marcompile: thanks |
| 04:24.28 | enouf | marcompile: that's why i intentionally left the disk unpartitioned/unformatted till fully booted |
| 04:24.36 | pipeline | I bill out at $300 an hour or so. If only I could bill you chumps :D |
| 04:24.42 | pipeline | lucky, lucky fellows you |
| 04:24.46 | marcompile | enouf you can disable swap with swapoff |
| 04:24.48 | pipeline | just have to put up with relentless abuse |
| 04:24.53 | bpun | i wonder how many more idiots are in here.. helping out people to install WINBLOZE IN VMWARE |
| 04:25.06 | marcompile | enouf but i recommend you alway have swap enabled if you have a hard drive |
| 04:25.07 | sanmarcos | cat /etc/debian_version for SID says "squeeze/sid" right? |
| 04:25.08 | enouf | marcompile: i know .. but will debootstrap need it? that was my point |
| 04:25.20 | craigevil | sanmarcos: yes |
| 04:25.21 | enouf | marcompile: it's not yet swapon'd |
| 04:25.26 | marcompile | enouf: how much RAM have you got? |
| 04:25.32 | enouf | marcompile: only 512 |
| 04:25.41 | enouf | Mem: 514740 271980 242760 0 38756 63020 |
| 04:25.42 | pipeline | sanmarcos: seamlessrdp sucks less in some ways, sucks more in others. For a single local VM, unity is a big win. |
| 04:25.49 | enouf | through ssh, at the moment, remember |
| 04:25.52 | marcompile | enouf: I think it will use more than 512MB of ram, thus requiring swap |
| 04:25.54 | racecar56 | i have 2gb on a kind of old-ish laptop |
| 04:26.02 | racecar56 | it's not _REALLY_ old |
| 04:26.15 | sanmarcos | pipeline: I dont care, I love VMWare Fusion, it works great for me. I could use VirtualBox too, I don't mind, I am just used to Vmware |
| 04:26.30 | marcompile | did you format the swap partition (with mkswap) ? |
| 04:26.30 | sanmarcos | pipeline: i will recompile tools now with sid |
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| 04:27.01 | enouf | marcompile: ofcourse |
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| 04:27.16 | pipeline | sanmarcos: oh. I'm a dedicated vmware partisan. I just prefer remote logins to the really miserable console experience. (p.s. the open source version of virtualbox is crippled.) |
| 04:27.20 | enouf | /dev/hda1 1 123 987966 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 04:27.24 | marcompile | sanmarcos: i used vmware fusion in the past and I think it is good to run windows as guest, but for running other systems, I think VirtualBox is better (and free) |
| 04:27.49 | bpun | what the fuck is wrong with your winbloze idiots |
| 04:27.51 | sanmarcos | pipeline: by console you mean no X right? |
| 04:27.52 | bpun | enouf, fire em! |
| 04:27.58 | marcompile | enouf: so use swapon and enable it for the bootstrap process |
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| 04:28.18 | bpun | !ops fire winbloze advocates |
| 04:28.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: bpun complains about: fire winbloze advocates |
| 04:28.30 | pipeline | sanmarcos: no, I mean, the graphics head on the VM guest, whether you're running X11 or not, it kinda sucks. Using RDP or X11 to access the guest directly, with no virtualized graphics, is a much snappier experience. |
| 04:28.34 | enouf | marcompile: i said; i'm afraid knoppix will start using it |
| 04:28.37 | bpun | I'M SICK OF MICROSOFT WINDOWS BEING DISCUSSED HERE! |
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| 04:28.55 | mentor | bpun: Umm? |
| 04:28.56 | marcompile | I also could run compiz on ubuntu inside virtualbox on windows 7 |
| 04:28.59 | enouf | marcompile: let me try some things - i'll report baclk - thanks |
| 04:29.15 | sanmarcos | pipeline: could be, but in general X11 sucks in many aspects, so it wouldn't surprise me it sucked there |
| 04:29.21 | bpun | mentor, too much vmware and winbloze cluelessness |
| 04:29.25 | marcompile | enouf: i have to go now.. I will be back on wednesday, than we can talk |
| 04:29.27 | enouf | marcompile: (just realized, it's actually knoppix that'll be running the debootstrap process anyway) |
| 04:29.37 | mentor | bpun: Stop shouting please. |
| 04:29.38 | bpun | mentor, the channel is becoming distorted from #topc.. and that is free open source software |
| 04:29.46 | enouf | marcompile: heh - ok - thanks again - take care .. i'll be around |
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| 04:30.20 | racecar56 | sanmarcos: chromium is gigantic... what the heck?!? |
| 04:30.20 | levander | Is there any easy way to find out what mother board you have without opening the case in Linux? |
| 04:30.22 | marcompile | enouf: there is no problem if knoppix use the swap space. Why are you afraid? |
| 04:30.36 | enouf | marcompile: i mentioned why, but nevermind ... |
| 04:30.40 | racecar56 | sanmarcos: 822 megabytes? |
| 04:30.49 | sanmarcos | racecar56: source code is generally gigantic |
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| 04:30.52 | racecar56 | sanmarcos: it would be deadly on my bad internet :P |
| 04:30.58 | enouf | marcompile: it's all good |
| 04:31.00 | mentor | bpun: I'm not entirely convinced that trying to run Windows in VMware on Debian is offtopic. |
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| 04:31.06 | enouf | marcompile: it is |
| 04:31.08 | sanmarcos | racecar56: just download the DEB they provide or install it through apt |
| 04:31.11 | enouf | er mentor it is |
| 04:31.21 | racecar56 | sanmarcos: k |
| 04:31.22 | marcompile | enouf: i didn't get why |
| 04:31.30 | enouf | marcompile: sorry - bad tab there |
| 04:31.31 | pipeline | mentor: Pretty sure that guy's a troll. He'll be banned in the morning, no worries :X |
| 04:31.50 | marcompile | enouf read my pvt message |
| 04:31.53 | bpun | mentor, yeah.. but if it becomes a drag.. it gets annoying with these crazy kids saying the "love" running their winbloze |
| 04:31.59 | neo8848 | what package do i need to be able to run a java applet in ice weasel / any browser on a debian install( entirelly from the distribution disks)? |
| 04:32.06 | bpun | mentor, plus it ain't even in the freigan distros.. |
| 04:32.16 | mentor | pipeline: Yeah, he smells that way. |
| 04:32.16 | enouf | marcompile: because, if i then want to further partition/mkfs the disk, or even run 'dd' all hell breaks loose |
| 04:32.21 | bpun | mentor, all that vmware commercial talk is so annoying.. |
| 04:32.37 | enouf | marcompile: especially, if i wanted to touch/dd the swap parttition |
| 04:32.49 | mentor | bpun: Right, well I've made my decision, so you need to be quiet and return to the business of the channel. |
| 04:33.07 | enouf | marcompile: i'll work it out -- thanks, you've been a big help |
| 04:33.09 | craigevil | racecar56: just download the .deb from http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel |
| 04:33.17 | enouf | marcompile: i like to bounce stuff off people ... |
| 04:33.21 | racecar56 | craigevil: you read my mind haha |
| 04:33.28 | marcompile | enouf: i can't imagine why would you need to dd a swap partition (especially if it is running) |
| 04:33.32 | enouf | bpun: /ig works for me ;-) |
| 04:33.33 | bpun | was hoping mentor was keeping up to the topic's promises.. wonders how much mentor drank tonite |
| 04:33.39 | mentor | enouf: No, I don't support restrictions of use of Debian, and am not going to enforce the channel in that way. I wouldn't recommend it though |
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| 04:33.54 | enouf | marcompile: corruption, wipe out old data, etc |
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| 04:34.34 | enouf | marcompile: suppose i want to reorder the partition ordering, or whatever, but i generally zerowipe any/all swaps on a regular basis |
| 04:35.08 | marcompile | you'll have to swapoff before wiping and swapon again after, just it |
| 04:35.16 | racecar56 | craigevil: google deleted the download :\ |
| 04:35.23 | enouf | mentor: nobody asked about "support restrictions of use of Debian" .. what was said is, it's offtopic |
| 04:35.27 | enouf | and it is |
| 04:35.33 | enouf | take it to PM |
| 04:35.55 | craigevil | racecar56: works here |
| 04:35.56 | enouf | mentor: try swapoff when knoppix is using it .. have fun ;-) |
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| 04:36.13 | enouf | er marcompile |
| 04:36.15 | marcompile | if you have available RAM you can swapoff |
| 04:36.22 | enouf | mentor: bad tab - marcompile see last |
| 04:36.22 | racecar56 | craigevil: hmm, i used the amd64 download as im on 64bit |
| 04:36.45 | enouf | mentor: i know that - but with debootstrap running, who knows what'll happen |
| 04:36.51 | enouf | crap |
| 04:36.52 | enouf | ! |
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| 04:37.02 | enouf | marcompile: mentor bad tab again |
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| 04:37.16 | craigevil | racecar56: you can always try using the google repo deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable main non-free then apt-get install google-chrome-unstable |
| 04:37.20 | marcompile | but if you are using more RAM than you have, when you swapoff it will not fit on the RAM and I don't know what will happen (swapoff should return an error) |
| 04:37.27 | mentor | enouf: You're opinion on the matter is noted. My opinion stands. |
| 04:37.36 | enouf | mentor: it won't work - it'll error |
| 04:37.48 | enouf | mentor: ok - fair enough |
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| 04:38.30 | racecar56 | craigevil: and you're shure i'm getting chromium, right? |
| 04:38.33 | marcompile | but you won't need to swapoff, after you install debian and bootloader etc, you will need to reboot |
| 04:38.53 | enouf | mentor: personally, i don't think !ops needed to be brought into all that ... but i'll drop it ... entirely |
| 04:39.01 | marcompile | enouf: read my PM |
| 04:39.06 | enouf | marcompile: ok |
| 04:39.57 | racecar56 | craigevil: it forces me not to install it :| |
| 04:40.17 | racecar56 | craigevil: google-chrome-unstable: Depends: ia32-libs-gtk but it is not installable |
| 04:41.06 | marcompile | see you wednesday people |
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| 04:44.24 | enouf | waves to mentor |
| 04:44.31 | enouf | erm ... marcompile!!! |
| 04:44.41 | enouf | mentor: past bad tab .. now he;s off :-P |
| 04:45.25 | enouf | er s/past/last/ |
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| 04:45.35 | enouf | too many convos and me attempting to _compute_ - all at the same time O_p |
| 04:46.09 | racecar56 | someone know how to get chromium working on squeeze 64bit? |
| 04:46.57 | enouf | /dev/hda2 on /mnt/debootstrap type reiserfs (rw,notail,data=journal) <--is where i'm at ... hang on |
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| 04:52.35 | enouf | shit shit shit -- Resolving ftp.us.debian.org... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution. |
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| 04:52.50 | enouf | fuck this ;-) |
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| 04:54.12 | nikki93_ | enouf: lolwut |
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| 04:57.14 | enouf | ok, so, i'll bite - why would a "whois 167.x.x.x" work fine on my system, but there;s that DNS issue when using my ssh'd instance? |
| 04:57.58 | enouf | obviously my ISP doesn't like my ... wait, i'll back out and ssh -X and try to browse the web .. i KNOW i could earlier .. |
| 04:58.29 | enouf | hehe, i WAS ssh- X .. just need to fire up some browser |
| 04:59.47 | enouf | An error occurred while loading http://google.com: |
| 04:59.49 | enouf | Unknown host google.com |
| 04:59.54 | enouf | and there you have it :-/ |
| 05:00.25 | enouf | has some DNS issues to resolve .. crap |
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| 05:00.54 | Faithful | how do you use apt-get to pull from a testing branch for a particular application / dependancies without changing sources.lst |
| 05:02.19 | craigevil | Faithful: you have to have testing in your sources.list how else is apt-get/aptitude going to see it |
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| 05:03.28 | enouf | shit ... connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(1025), sin_addr=inet_addr("74.125.45.100")}, 16) = -1 ENETUNREACH (Network is unreachable) |
| 05:03.49 | enouf | can't even ping google via IP.ad.dr.es. |
| 05:04.15 | enouf | route and arp look ok .. well .. maybe i need to setup a default gw |
| 05:04.30 | enouf | i can ping IPs on my LAN ok though |
| 05:05.24 | enouf | bingo |
| 05:05.30 | enouf | default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 05:05.44 | enouf | route route add default gw 192.168.0.1 dev eth1 (does the trick) |
| 05:05.58 | enouf | now, where was i .. heh |
| 05:07.52 | enouf | bingo ; |
| 05:07.54 | enouf | 01:46:11 (188.22 KB/s) - `./debootstrap_1.0.15_all.deb' saved [54116/54116] |
| 05:08.15 | enouf | IINM, i also need the .udeb ? |
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| 05:19.26 | ajavid | !iinm |
| 05:19.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iinm is "If I'm Not Mistaken" |
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| 05:19.50 | ajavid | Faithful, why? |
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| 05:20.03 | ajavid | Faithful, what are you trying to get from testing? what are you currently using? stable? |
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| 05:20.22 | racecar56 | AHA! "ACPI: Interpreter disabled." |
| 05:20.26 | racecar56 | dmesg |
| 05:20.41 | Faithful | ajavid, yes lenny |
| 05:20.48 | enouf | wait .. i grabbed the udeb.. and dpkg -x seems to have .. but do i need udpkg? shit |
| 05:20.54 | ajavid | Faithful, do not get anything from testing |
| 05:20.55 | enouf | racecar56: acpi=force |
| 05:21.04 | ajavid | Faithful, mixing debian distributions is not a good idea |
| 05:21.04 | enouf | $ sudo ./usr/sbin/debootstrap --ARCH i386 sid ./ http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 05:21.04 | enouf | ./usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 22: /usr/share/debootstrap/functions: No such file or directory |
| 05:21.08 | racecar56 | enouf: thanks, put it in the kernel line on grub? |
| 05:21.17 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps i need kerbos help!!! |
| 05:21.18 | enouf | either or .. or both |
| 05:21.22 | ajavid | Faithful, look on backports.org for the package you need, if it is not there, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 05:21.23 | Faithful | ajavid, I know... but wen you must... you must... |
| 05:21.24 | bbelt16ag | i combined a windows user and a linux user.. |
| 05:21.28 | enouf | racecar56: it's a kernel boot param |
| 05:21.32 | ajavid | Faithful, backport it |
| 05:21.36 | bbelt16ag | how do i undo this? i used the kinit username app |
| 05:21.39 | Faithful | ajavid, backports can be evil |
| 05:21.40 | enouf | racecar56: what year is your PC from? |
| 05:21.46 | racecar56 | enouf: i think 2004 |
| 05:21.52 | ajavid | Faithful, good luck. |
| 05:21.52 | enouf | racecar56: google kernel-parameters.txt |
| 05:21.57 | racecar56 | enouf: it's only one of them though, i have a much better one |
| 05:22.00 | Faithful | rather backports are evil for xen |
| 05:22.08 | enouf | ok - but it might be doing that for some other rewason - cat /proc/cmdline says ? |
| 05:22.11 | enouf | racecar56: ^^^^^^^ |
| 05:22.28 | enouf | racecar56: 2004 is fine, doesn't mean not a buggy BIOS though |
| 05:22.55 | racecar56 | enouf: i think my bios on here *is* weird... MS-6577 v4.1 mobo |
| 05:23.05 | racecar56 | enouf: i also have some timer pm bug thing |
| 05:23.13 | racecar56 | enouf: at least it thinks i have it |
| 05:23.14 | enouf | yeah .. i see .. |
| 05:23.25 | enouf | right - are you using amd64? |
| 05:23.29 | racecar56 | no |
| 05:23.34 | enouf | i386? |
| 05:23.38 | racecar56 | yes |
| 05:23.45 | enouf | shall i continue with every port ? |
| 05:23.47 | enouf | ok |
| 05:23.49 | racecar56 | intel celeron 2.80ghz processor |
| 05:24.00 | enouf | buggy BIOS, or bad settings |
| 05:24.01 | racecar56 | :| |
| 05:24.04 | racecar56 | kk |
| 05:24.04 | enouf | which Installer? |
| 05:24.14 | racecar56 | a cd from frozentech |
| 05:24.18 | enouf | ... |
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| 05:24.23 | enouf | have a nice day |
| 05:24.28 | racecar56 | k |
| 05:24.31 | racecar56 | rebooting |
| 05:24.39 | enouf | racecar56: try their channel - or ##linux |
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| 05:25.06 | Ezep | weird |
| 05:25.24 | enouf | starts dinking heavily again ... |
| 05:25.43 | enouf | $ ll ./usr/share/debootstrap/functions |
| 05:25.46 | enouf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31047 Jul 23 2009 ./usr/share/debootstrap/functions |
| 05:26.03 | enouf | it obviously exists .. must be some relative path bullcrap |
| 05:26.45 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.53 | enouf | hrm |
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| 05:28.54 | herb_ | hi everybody! |
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| 05:29.58 | herb_ | i have just connected wireless router, my laptop detected it but internet isn't working |
| 05:30.17 | herb_ | how can i fix this? thanx |
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| 05:31.05 | rozie | herb_: how do you know that you have connected? |
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| 05:31.51 | racecar56 | acpi still dosen't work O_o |
| 05:31.51 | herb_ | rozie, i have an icon that shows 100% connection with my router |
| 05:32.38 | enouf | aha |
| 05:32.54 | enouf | i was supposed to use ar -x, not dpkg -x O_o |
| 05:33.02 | racecar56 | ttp://racecar56.pastebin.com/f39927b38 |
| 05:33.08 | racecar56 | doh |
| 05:33.13 | racecar56 | s/ttp/http |
| 05:33.20 | racecar56 | fixed link: http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f39927b38 |
| 05:34.28 | enouf | still ... ./usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 22: ./functions: No such file or directory |
| 05:34.32 | enouf | wtf? |
| 05:34.36 | racecar56 | O_. |
| 05:35.29 | rozie | herb_: maybe you need to configure the router. hope it has manual? |
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| 05:36.33 | oh_noes | is it possible to apt-get install, BUT ask it NOT to start the application? |
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| 05:40.05 | racecar56 | here is my entire dmeg http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f354fda27 |
| 05:40.47 | racecar56 | pnp: PnP ACPI: disabled |
| 05:43.24 | enouf | $ export DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=./usr/share/debootstrap wow |
| 05:43.29 | enouf | now it works ... |
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| 05:44.58 | gumbox | is it possible to mount a device as root with 'mount /dev..." allowing everybody to rw? |
| 05:46.42 | enouf | FINALLY - had to su to root too - sudo doesn't recognize teh DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR= variable .. so i had to su, then do the export DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=...... again - THEN run the command |
| 05:46.49 | enouf | I: Resolving dependencies of required packages... |
| 05:46.49 | enouf | I: Resolving dependencies of base packages... |
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| 05:51.25 | enouf | W: Failure while configuring base packages. |
| 05:51.25 | neo8848 | would there be a huge diff. if i just installed jdk via the downloadble .bin file as opposed to using apt? |
| 05:51.28 | enouf | shitshitshit |
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| 05:52.03 | nevyn | neo8848: yeah.. the .bin won't update alternatives etc. |
| 05:52.17 | gumbox | the bin install to the current working directory, i guess |
| 05:52.26 | gumbox | so there would be plenty of manual work =P |
| 05:53.09 | cheako | What about using usenet as a means of distributing debian packages? Seams to solve one of the problems listed here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent |
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| 05:54.45 | neo8848 | now i'm a mess |
| 05:55.51 | rozie | cheako: which problem exactly? and how it would be better then http/ftp? |
| 05:56.19 | rozie | neo8848: use java-package |
| 05:56.29 | rozie | you'll have .deb from .bin file |
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| 05:56.57 | neo8848 | @rozie:i can only see rpm and bin in sun site |
| 05:57.32 | neo8848 | if you speak of tracing the .debs, that was how i tried a while ago, until i got 3 levels deep |
| 05:57.37 | enouf | WOW |
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| 05:57.46 | enouf | !dbugs535316 |
| 05:57.49 | enouf | we |
| 05:57.53 | enouf | crap |
| 05:58.12 | cheako | rozie: Packages of size grater then ?32k? would be split up into multiple messages, thus they could be fetched from several servers at once. Looks like it would solve the first five problems. |
| 05:58.14 | rozie | neo8848: download bin and use java-package |
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| 05:58.27 | enouf | !dbugs 539616 |
| 05:58.30 | enouf | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg675325.html |
| 05:58.32 | dpkg | DONE:#539616:N[debootstrap] debootstrap failed if we include php5 (); Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:51:04 UTC [] |
| 05:58.40 | enouf | wait, what? |
| 05:58.45 | neo8848 | ahhh.. |
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| 05:59.40 | enouf | alter s/sid/squeeze/ and tries again |
| 05:59.50 | cheako | Perhaps if p2p is necessary, usenet would benefit from this feature implemented generically. |
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| 06:02.49 | enouf | !dbugs 472369 |
| 06:02.53 | dpkg | DONE:#472369:N[aptitude] uninstallable in unstable, depends on libcwidget1 (); Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:54:02 UTC [472634] |
| 06:03.00 | enouf | wtf! |
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| 06:03.11 | enouf | wrong bug .. wtf? |
| 06:03.59 | enouf | \o/ I: Base system installed successfully. |
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| 06:08.06 | enouf | Knoppix:/dev# MAKEDEV generic |
| 06:08.07 | billybigrigger | how would i get in touch with someone to get his bug sorted out??? Debian bug 473396 in wnpp "ITP: php5-gtk2 -- GTK2 bindings for PHP" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/473396 |
| 06:08.08 | enouf | /sbin/MAKEDEV: warning: can't read /proc/devices |
| 06:08.10 | enouf | shit |
| 06:08.13 | billybigrigger | it hasn't been touched in over a year |
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| 06:08.50 | cheako | billybigrigger: I always find these bugs odd. |
| 06:09.14 | cheako | It makes me think I'm attempting to use the wrong/un-popular package. |
| 06:09.49 | billybigrigger | yeah, php gtk is a weird choice, but the only reason i care, is because in order to use Phoronix Test Suite's GUI, you need this module installed |
| 06:10.08 | billybigrigger | don't know why they choose it but |
| 06:10.50 | cheako | I think in this case, combining HTML with php to further combine with GTK2 would create a soup that only the developer could swallow. Looks like they intentionally don't want anyone to use it. |
| 06:11.12 | billybigrigger | and it is an open wishlist bug in ubuntu, and i was told to try upstream to get it resolved, as phoronix 2.0 is being released in a few weeks, and there's no functional gui to it, unless you compile php gtk yourself, which i have written a howto for, but it would be nice to have .deb for it |
| 06:11.33 | cheako | It's like trying to drive a car made by a produce company, it's likely to go bad on you in about a week. |
| 06:11.40 | billybigrigger | :P |
| 06:11.50 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 06:13.54 | billybigrigger | so what are my options here? |
| 06:14.07 | billybigrigger | is it possible to get this bug squashed? |
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| 06:14.45 | cheako | Don't ask me, what I'd do is drop Phoronix Test Suite into a blender and get your iron for today. |
| 06:14.54 | billybigrigger | :P |
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| 06:15.00 | enouf | w00hooo exit ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev |
| 06:15.14 | billybigrigger | haha, i'll think about that one, but it's the only decent benchmarking app in linux with a gui, that i know of |
| 06:15.18 | enouf | then chroot into it |
| 06:15.47 | neo8848 | @rozie: i just mistakenly allowed synaptic to fix the deb dependencies for me... and now i have it working |
| 06:16.09 | cheako | hmm, I'd say decent and GTK2 bindings for PHP are mutually exclusive, but I could be wrong. |
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| 06:16.18 | neo8848 | to my disappointment, this is test for installation i'll perform at home where there's no net connection :( |
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| 06:17.34 | cheako | billybigrigger: I've attempted to use Phoronix, the only part that worked was when an application I all ready had installed was run. |
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| 06:18.26 | cheako | I still can't find a way to verify that EXA||EAX is working. |
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| 06:24.49 | dimir | orders one black coffee |
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| 06:27.11 | cydork | dimir: make it two! |
| 06:27.38 | dimir | nods at TheCoffeMaker |
| 06:27.43 | dimir | :-P |
| 06:29.07 | TheCoffeMaker | dimir ... with milk cream? |
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| 06:32.17 | digifor | If a package does not exist for debian is it a good idea to use checkinstall rather than just building from source? |
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| 06:33.16 | TheCoffeMaker | digifor, yes it's a good idea |
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| 06:34.25 | digifor | thanks TheCoffeMaker |
| 06:35.01 | TheCoffeMaker | digifor, np |
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| 06:40.59 | digifor | If I am understanding checkinstall -D correctly when a newer version of your .deb arrives perhaps in backports it would install that? |
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| 06:43.36 | dserban | is apt busted in sid? Seems it wants to remove a few pkgs which I think are... somewhat essential. Like tasksel, tasksel-data, aptitude, ia32-apt-get etc... I'm just assuming that those packages depend on a specific version of apt and it's their fault. |
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| 06:59.24 | dllls | Hi Debian users! Does Debian use SystemV? |
| 06:59.34 | dllls | What ist the init system in Debian? |
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| 07:01.01 | cheako | dllls: There are several, but generally init scrips are placed in /etc/init.d /w symlinks in folders like rc5.d |
| 07:01.35 | cydork | dllls: by default yes.. |
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| 07:02.41 | cheako | I wonder what the real question is, perhaps there is some feature of SystemV that Debian dosen't implement? |
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| 07:04.00 | dllls | Thank you for your answers. |
| 07:04.09 | dllls | Just want to try Debian. |
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| 07:04.50 | dllls | I don't like SystemV but we'll see... |
| 07:05.21 | ethanol | Does anyone recognize the tune this guy uses in his defacements? http://www.zone-h.org/mirror/id/9308552 |
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| 07:11.46 | zhxk` | j gnu |
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| 07:33.30 | g00se | ethanol: http://pastebin.com/f1f37171 |
| 07:33.51 | ethanol | yeah I figured that out too by now, but thanks ^^ |
| 07:35.19 | MNZ | hi I just installed debian lenny on an hp laptop and did a few updates including updating the kernel to the latest from sid. I'm not sure when this started happening but now everytime I log on I get a notification about the availability of kerneloops information and that I can let the system send it to the devs. |
| 07:35.46 | MNZ | Where do I veiw this? And I'm sure the kernel is not oopsing everytime I shutdown. I tried checking the logs, there was nothing |
| 07:36.32 | ethanol | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel_oops |
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| 07:36.41 | MNZ | the kernel only oopsed once when I was messing with the proprietary ati drivers, but that was the old kernel before the update |
| 07:37.49 | ethanol | maybe sending said info was not available under the older installation, but is now and this old oopsie was found? |
| 07:38.06 | ethanol | just taking a really wild guess there. don't count on me being right :p |
| 07:38.07 | MNZ | I have sent it about 6 times so far |
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| 07:38.11 | ethanol | oh |
| 07:38.12 | ethanol | weird |
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| 07:38.43 | MNZ | anyone know where this oops log is kept so perhaps I can delete it? |
| 07:39.40 | ethanol | locate? |
| 07:39.54 | NicoOOoOo | plop all ! |
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| 07:40.15 | ethanol | there's this one; MNZ http://linux.die.net/man/8/ksymoops |
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| 07:40.34 | amol | hi to all, how to detect system idle signal in in c program/script |
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| 07:41.26 | MNZ | I grepped /var/log for oops... I submitted 10 times not 6 :S and moreover the oops itself is not in kernel logs, just the fact that I submitted it |
| 07:41.48 | MNZ | ksymoops |
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| 07:42.16 | MNZ | requires the oops file, which I can't find |
| 07:42.22 | ethanol | updatedb ? |
| 07:42.37 | MNZ | ok I'll try |
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| 07:43.48 | MNZ | nothing |
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| 07:53.05 | MNZ | I'm pretty sure all the kernel oopses I saw before where marked with a prominent "OOPS" in the logs. Anyway, I used wireshark and now I have the oops information |
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| 07:55.33 | sterna | how can i make-kpkg without building a xen0 and xenu kernel? |
| 07:55.43 | sterna | i just want a plain kernel for my arch |
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| 07:56.42 | s4br3 | Hi, I am afraid of updating my Debian Sid, because of what I believe is an aptitude bug. However, I am not sure I really can identify which it is at Debian's bug page. Anyone more familiar with the id of bugs? |
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| 07:59.04 | Opie3 | I am trying to mount nfs share but not sure the cmd mount 192.168.1.6:/mnt/data /mnt/data does not work |
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| 07:59.50 | wiretapped | it isn't possible to upgrade from etch/arm to lenny/armel is it? |
| 07:59.58 | wiretapped | i recall hearing that that might be possible a long time ago |
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| 08:01.44 | ssm | wiretapped: There's a web page somewhere describing how to go from i386 to amd64, the same technique may be applied to arm->armel. It's probably googleable. I would not do etch-lenny at the same time, though, and I _would_ prepare for failure in any case :) |
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| 08:25.09 | nikki93_ | Hey guys! I come from Arch Linux. I'm trying Debian Squeeze on the laptop now. It's nice. :-) Some people're saying Debian is 'outdated' though. Do you think so? Does Squeeze have very old versions of packages? |
| 08:25.09 | nikki93_ | For example, I've noticed that Python is at 2.5, while 2.6 is the latest stable AFAIK. |
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| 08:25.38 | gunkamanti | hi, what was name of the demon that gets the exact time from the net? |
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| 08:26.24 | \amethyst | gunkamanti: ntp |
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| 08:29.10 | gunkamanti | \amethyst: thx |
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| 08:30.16 | ixzo | hi |
| 08:30.24 | hives | yo! |
| 08:30.25 | Bilbo_Baggins | If I want to play "Debian" style....(I do know how to use a .sh....but I do not wish to break things...) what is the easiest way to go debian and not break dependencies? |
| 08:30.43 | Bilbo_Baggins | I can compile also. |
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| 08:31.17 | Bilbo_Baggins | Lenny is still "Newish" and very stable.... =D |
| 08:31.39 | Bilbo_Baggins | At least it's not running "Gaim" anymore. =D |
| 08:32.05 | cahoot | what do you mean by 'what is the easiest way to go debian' ? |
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| 08:33.07 | Bilbo_Baggins | Give me a moment to try to describe what I am trying to say. I really mean no offense with anything. I also apologize for a few weeks ago... I was a stupid, moron then. :/ |
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| 08:35.34 | Bilbo_Baggins | Let me put it this way. I am running linux mint right now....I want the codexes. My personal favorites... (devede, k3b, k9copy (I know those are not Gnome programs...but...) the stability, but I like to play games too. I need to know "How" and what arena to stay in, if that makes any sense.)) |
| 08:36.22 | Bilbo_Baggins | I know a little bash, a little code, but only enough to make me a hazard to myself.... LMFAO |
| 08:36.41 | cantido | copy /home somewhere, install debian, copy /home back... |
| 08:37.02 | cantido | I do wonder what this stability thing is that everyone keeps going on about though :/ |
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| 08:37.10 | Bilbo_Baggins | I can do that, but will that not screw up .wine and my hidden files? |
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| 08:38.09 | cantido | should be ok, you might have some config files that aren't compatiable with the versions of XYZ in Debian, but I think that would be in the minority |
| 08:38.17 | Bilbo_Baggins | I guess, gentoo is stable, too, if you want to spend 6 hours compiling and if one T is dotted and one I is crossed, the compile breaks... :/ |
| 08:38.29 | cantido | Bilbo_Baggins: stable means doesn't crash? |
| 08:39.01 | Bilbo_Baggins | Exactly, I think so.....but I've crashed debian.....Stable to me, means, if you know what your doing it will "NEVER" crash. |
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| 08:39.44 | g00se | Bilbo_Baggins: Why not try a live disk? You can always mount your HDs from it if you want to get at your data |
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| 08:39.55 | cantido | mmm I've crashed lenny a shit load of times.. bad hardware. |
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| 08:40.04 | Bilbo_Baggins | I use Knoppix for that. |
| 08:40.22 | cantido | You could do an in-place install with debootstrap too.. |
| 08:40.31 | Bilbo_Baggins | define? |
| 08:40.35 | Bilbo_Baggins | sry |
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| 08:40.55 | g00se | Bilbo_Baggins: Errr, yes but that wouldn't be trying Debian would it..? |
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| 08:41.02 | craigevil | Bilbo_Baggins: codecs and k3b,k9copy,devede can be installed using aptitude, you just need debian-miltimedia.org in your sources.list |
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| 08:41.08 | cantido | turn off swap, make an FS there, use debootstrap to populate it, get it bootable... boot into it and then nuke the other os :) |
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| 08:41.43 | craigevil | multimedia* |
| 08:42.02 | Bilbo_Baggins | Kk, but that would not hurt my sources.list? Also....I tried to install Nvidia drivers the only time I tried debian and I broke my install by attempting to do so. |
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| 08:42.13 | craigevil | !dmm |
| 08:42.13 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 08:42.45 | cantido | Bilbo_Baggins: Did you use the debian packages or did you install with nvidia's installer? |
| 08:42.49 | rvalles | needs a "patent-encumbered" official repo or sth |
| 08:42.56 | rvalles | like there used to be a non-free |
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| 08:43.16 | cahoot | isn't there still a non-free? |
| 08:43.21 | craigevil | yes |
| 08:43.23 | rvalles | only that patent-encumbered makes much more sense (actually free software, but encumbered in stupid countries with soft patents) |
| 08:43.35 | cantido | non-us is the only thing that's gone I thought |
| 08:43.42 | craigevil | correct |
| 08:43.48 | rvalles | ic |
| 08:44.16 | cantido | thanks to theo de raadt I think.. |
| 08:44.24 | Bilbo_Baggins | The one didn't work, so I tried the other, and I crunched my kernel... |
| 08:44.36 | craigevil | !nvidia |
| 08:44.36 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 08:44.44 | rvalles | !nouveau |
| 08:44.45 | dpkg | Nouveau is a Freedesktop.org project, with the goal of providing open-source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards. Current development status: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix . http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:44.52 | cantido | Bilbo_Baggins: Ah, you're been here before talking about your "crunched kernel" |
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| 08:45.50 | Bilbo_Baggins | As I said, I wish to apologize for anything I said that was offensive before.... I honestly am. :/ |
| 08:46.36 | Bilbo_Baggins | Can I have a second chance? You all are beyond me, and I pray to be within you league, too. :/ |
| 08:47.07 | cantido | It's not that; Saying you crunched your kernel just doesn't make any sense.. if you can explain what actually happened it'd be a step forward. I.e. I installed the nvidia drivers, and then got kernel panics all the time. |
| 08:47.22 | g00se | stability is a complex issue. I just had to get off this channel and back on again as i could hardly type into this terminal. Xorg was taking nearly all my CPU, but that's not necessarily anything to do with 'Debian' |
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| 08:47.44 | Bilbo_Baggins | I tried. Hmmm. I tried to install "Envy" then I tried to install Nvidia straight from the homesite. |
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| 08:48.27 | Bilbo_Baggins | I didn't get Kernal panic, I got a "BLACK" screen of death. |
| 08:48.51 | cantido | g00se: You only need some bad ram to have everything start going up the wall. |
| 08:49.08 | Bilbo_Baggins | I even went through my tty's |
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| 08:49.23 | cantido | Bilbo_Baggins: ok, so you didn't get any output, at what point? did you see the boot up stuff, and then it died when X started? |
| 08:50.47 | Bilbo_Baggins | afk, I'll be back soon. Sorry. |
| 08:51.48 | cantido | Ok, so booting into single user mode and checking the logs would have help. Sounds like Xorg didn't like the driver, opposed to breaking the kernel. |
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| 08:52.53 | Bilbo_Baggins | Not back, but that sounds like that may be right.... I was using "Not lenny" but um.....the other one before Lenny... Etch? |
| 08:53.33 | Bilbo_Baggins | Can Lenny handle a 8600 Gts Nvidia card now? |
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| 08:56.45 | anssarry | hi |
| 08:57.03 | kraut | moin |
| 08:57.03 | cantido | Bilbo_Baggins: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/nvidia-glx there is a list there |
| 08:57.39 | cantido | Bilbo_Baggins: everything should work (depends what you consider working) with the vesa driver though |
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| 08:58.43 | Bilbo_Baggins | Ok, back now. Sry. Honestly, I slightly afraid of debian....I tink outside of "most" boxes....even gnu boxes....(which are freer the any I've seen... =D ), but I like games.....I like making home movies (HONESTLY Home movies.....I went to St. Louis with my family and I want to make a DvD of it...so I use Devede...) |
| 08:59.11 | FailPowah | is ext4 a good FS to use if im going to have larges files with a service that does alot of I/O to files thats up to 100GB or more each? |
| 08:59.20 | Bilbo_Baggins | ext4?! |
| 08:59.23 | Bilbo_Baggins | I know 3 |
| 08:59.29 | Bilbo_Baggins | or rizer! |
| 08:59.31 | Bilbo_Baggins | ugh |
| 08:59.47 | amphi | FailPowah: xfs is said to be good for large files |
| 08:59.56 | cantido | FailPowah: XFS is apparently really good with massive files, there are benchmarks etc via el google |
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| 09:00.31 | cantido | I'm not sure ext4 is considered ready for consumption yet.. people seem to want to use it for no good reason though ;) |
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| 09:00.54 | Bilbo_Baggins | if XFS = Rizer, I've been told that rizer was made by a man that is a killer and a jerkoff.... Not sure about my sources.list....though. LOL =D |
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| 09:01.15 | cantido | Bilbo_Baggins: XFS was made by SGi |
| 09:01.18 | craigevil | !sns |
| 09:01.19 | dpkg | methinks sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 09:01.40 | s4br3 | One issue with ext4 is that you need sid/experimental, unless you install kernel 2.6.27 or above |
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| 09:02.17 | FailPowah | im gonne use the latest stable debian (5.0) so then, its better to use xfs (or ext3)? |
| 09:02.25 | s4br3 | xfs |
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| 09:03.08 | cantido | FailPowah: you should try and look up the benchmarks people have done and fit them against what you want. XFS is said to be good with really big files, shit with lots of small files.. so you have to balance that |
| 09:03.26 | cahoot | considering the nick I'd suggest ext3 |
| 09:03.31 | Bilbo_Baggins | Everyone, please forgive me. I hunger to learn, but my wish to drink keeps butting heads with that..... :/ |
| 09:03.45 | FailPowah | cantido: ive been googling around all morning, i feel none the wiser |
| 09:04.07 | s4br3 | For filesystem comparisons - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_benchmarks&num=1 |
| 09:04.13 | FailPowah | but im going to put in 2 harddrives where one will use 100GB's sized of files, and the other for / and some random files |
| 09:04.52 | Bilbo_Baggins | That's not a bad idea, but how can I do that without the screws? |
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| 09:05.43 | cantido | FailPowah: so, the biggest drives around are... 1.5TB, so you need an FS that is good at storing 15 files? |
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| 09:06.21 | FailPowah | cantido: not storing, im going to have a server that will read/write to it almost constantly |
| 09:06.27 | craigevil | Bilbo_Baggins: if you want an easy way to install nvidia and codecs take a look at smxi.org and exnoodles on linuxquestions.org |
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| 09:06.53 | Bilbo_Baggins | Can I run Irssi in Lenny? Can I run Dossbox, wine, devede, (a money mangement prog like Kmymoney)? Sry. |
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| 09:07.09 | cantido | FailPowah: random read/writes or linear?... I'm just trying to dig out some recentish benchmarks |
| 09:07.13 | craigevil | Bilbo_Baggins: yes to all |
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| 09:07.47 | FailPowah | cantido: that i dont know how it does, if i where to guess, random |
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| 09:08.39 | Bilbo_Baggins | Ok, So I just need to upload all my files I do not wish to loose to my external....(which is very slow) and install Lenny. =D |
| 09:09.14 | cantido | FailPowah: under the filesystem you have IO schedulers that you can tweak too,.. there is a lot you can tweak for a specific workload |
| 09:09.17 | Bilbo_Baggins | 1.0 USB |
| 09:09.24 | themill | FailPowah: if you have to ask what filesystem to use, you should use ext3 |
| 09:09.33 | Bilbo_Baggins | NOD |
| 09:09.42 | Bilbo_Baggins | Like me.... =D |
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| 09:10.58 | anssarry | hi again |
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| 09:11.47 | anssarry | oh .. old community like old fat distro |
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| 09:12.36 | anssarry | go back to fedora quicklyyyyyyyyyyyy |
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| 09:13.38 | anssarry | i |
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| 09:14.22 | cantido | FailPowah: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_btrfs_nilfs2&num=1 -- some rough benchmarks there |
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| 09:15.51 | FailPowah | cantido: thank you, seems i got a bit more to read now :D |
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| 09:17.01 | cantido | FailPowah: xfs seems to be really shit at all their tests like SQLite inserts.. but then is only beaten by NILFS2 on reading and writing >2GB files :) |
| 09:17.19 | cantido | ah, btrfs |
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| 09:18.17 | themill | Does xfs still lose all your data if there's a power failure? |
| 09:18.26 | land0 | I am finally getting around to building a src package the debian way. |
| 09:18.27 | cantido | zeroing files> |
| 09:18.31 | cantido | ? |
| 09:18.56 | land0 | I am wanting to edit the rules file |
| 09:18.58 | maligor | themill, all data? |
| 09:19.16 | cantido | Files that were open at powerfailure used to get zero'd.. but xfsrepair generally fixed that |
| 09:19.18 | land0 | for recordmydesktop |
| 09:19.21 | maligor | all filesystems will lose all buffered data |
| 09:19.30 | maligor | oh, ouch |
| 09:19.36 | themill | maligor: or at least lots. It used to have a certain reputation for this sort of thing -- far far worse than other filesystems. |
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| 09:20.22 | themill | basically it amounted to "don't use it unless you have a UPS" which in #debian terms equates to "don't recommend xfs to people" and "if you have to ask, use ext3" |
| 09:20.27 | maligor | good thing I put ext3 on my headless nas then |
| 09:20.58 | cantido | yes, that was an issue like at least 3 years ago |
| 09:21.17 | land0 | I am wanting to add the line --enable-oss=yes |
| 09:21.49 | themill | land0: are you using the packages for recordmydesktop that are already in debian? |
| 09:21.57 | land0 | yes |
| 09:22.12 | land0 | I am at a loss for where to add the --enable |
| 09:22.26 | land0 | I tried adding to the end of the file |
| 09:22.32 | land0 | the beginning |
| 09:23.00 | themill | land0: you need to add it to the line that calls "./configure". In the sid source, that's line 27 of debian/rules |
| 09:23.42 | themill | land0: debian/rules is a makefile -- if you don't know what that is and what they are, then it's a useful bit of general knowledge for you to go and learn about them anyway. |
| 09:24.14 | themill | land0: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg makefile |
| 09:24.30 | land0 | themill: ok |
| 09:25.04 | land0 | I see how I missed it |
| 09:25.19 | land0 | now |
| 09:25.50 | land0 | did not see the \ at the end of each flag |
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| 09:26.20 | themill | land0: that's to allow you to split the one line across multiple lines |
| 09:26.49 | dysfunctional | ahh i love xserver! |
| 09:27.23 | land0 | themill: funny I did not see that untill you pointed me back to that line |
| 09:27.49 | land0 | figures |
| 09:27.52 | land0 | :P |
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| 09:30.09 | land0 | themill: it is people like you that make debian rock! |
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| 09:30.25 | land0 | themill: thanks for your investment of your time. |
| 09:30.31 | themill | no worries :) |
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| 09:34.08 | land0 | passes themill a beer |
| 09:34.15 | land0 | 8-) |
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| 09:37.58 | david00 | Hi, I have an apache2 install that I seem to have broken. How can I completely remove it and reinstall it? apt-get remove seems to leave config files. |
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| 09:40.39 | ewook | --purge |
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| 09:43.13 | david00 | ewook: That still leaves some config files, and if I apt-get install it after that, 'apache2.conf' doesn't come back |
| 09:43.28 | cahoot | !confmiss |
| 09:43.29 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 09:43.55 | david00 | cahoot: thanks |
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| 09:46.22 | david00 | Hmm, I tried with --force-confmiss, but it still didn't bring back apache2.conf |
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| 09:46.32 | david00 | maybe it's not in the package 'apache2'? |
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| 09:50.08 | cantido | david00: apache2 is probably a dummy package.. I think it might be apache2-common or something |
| 09:50.14 | hark | apache2.2-common |
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| 09:50.26 | david00 | aha yes |
| 09:50.44 | angel | how to control and monitor windows clients from a debian machine? |
| 09:50.59 | tarzeau | angel: for monitoring we use hobbit* |
| 09:51.04 | cantido | There's SNMP servers for windows |
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| 09:51.29 | tarzeau | angel: looks like this: http://omniculars.ethz.ch/hobbit/physvp/physvp.html |
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| 09:52.25 | enouf | !metapackage, not dummy dumbdumb :-P |
| 09:52.51 | joiguru | hi. i cant find a dbus c++ wrapper in the debian repos. I am using lenny. any suggetsions ?? |
| 09:52.56 | cantido | ok, metapackage, sorry ;) |
| 09:53.05 | enouf | no worries :-) |
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| 09:53.19 | angel | tarzeau: is there a possibility to control them graphically , like a remote desktop? |
| 09:53.26 | cantido | joiguru: there's libdbus-dev or something similar I think |
| 09:53.51 | cantido | joiguru: libdbus-1-dev |
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| 09:54.23 | tarzeau | angel: if you run rdp service on all of them, sure.. or using vnc |
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| 09:54.40 | tarzeau | angel: but we don't have that. but we have a windows update server |
| 09:54.54 | tarzeau | to distribute software and updates, proprietary, microsoft solution |
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| 09:55.36 | joiguru | cantido: i think thats the base c library. i am looking for a c++ one like dbus-c++ or dbus-cxx. is there a possibility other than compiling the source ? |
| 09:56.05 | cantido | joiguru: there a QT and GLib bindings too |
| 09:56.11 | cantido | joiguru: s/a/are/ |
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| 09:59.40 | Calvin | Hi all, what is the ftpserver software that recommend to Debian? |
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| 10:00.44 | ^shark_ | is there any open source bug reporting software like jira |
| 10:00.46 | enouf | !vsftpd |
| 10:00.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vsftpd is the "Very Secure FTP Daemon", a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. Frequently Asked Questions: ftp://vsftpd.beasts.org/users/cevans/untar/vsftpd-2.1.0/FAQ . Wiki: http://vsftpd.brainsware.org/ . http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ #vsftpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <ftpd>. |
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| 10:00.53 | cantido | Calvin: there are a few, really basic ones like lukem and more advanced ones like proftpd.. depnds what you need out of it |
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| 10:01.10 | cantido | ^shark_: trac, bugzilla |
| 10:02.25 | manicman | hi |
| 10:03.05 | Calvin | enouf: imgettting directory listing error with vsftpd:( |
| 10:03.18 | hives | CalvinI use smartftp |
| 10:03.25 | manicman | i have prelude-manager installed and the same error as described here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/prelude-manager/+bug/310505 should i fill a bug report for debian or is there another way to get this fixed without compiling libprelude from source? |
| 10:03.41 | Calvin | smartftp is a client right. |
| 10:03.48 | Calvin | i need server |
| 10:04.36 | cantido | maybe it's too secure? heh |
| 10:05.24 | cantido | manicman: if that ubuntu report has a patch you could post a report to debian with a link to the patch |
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| 10:06.59 | manicman | cantido: no there is just the hint that compiling libprelude in current version will fix it... id just like to have apt managing that package too... |
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| 10:08.13 | cantido | manicman: are you running stable? |
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| 10:08.43 | manicman | cantido: hm.. how to find it out? i am comming from gentoo and i am quite new to debian... |
| 10:09.42 | manicman | cantido: i am running lenny and have nothing done to get unstable stuff.. |
| 10:10.06 | enouf | !ssb |
| 10:10.06 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 10:10.27 | jaalto | How do I mount reiser4 FS? "/dev/sdb1 reiser4 (not mounted)". Command "mount -t reiserfs /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0" gives "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock" |
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| 10:10.50 | enouf | but if you're coming from gentoo, you should be a compiling genius :-) |
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| 10:11.12 | enouf | i use 3.6 |
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| 10:12.03 | enouf | it tells yuo to checl dmesg | tail too |
| 10:12.05 | manicman | enouf: compiling this packet is not the problem as i have mentioned above... i want debian to manage all the packages.. |
| 10:12.19 | enouf | manicman: it will and does |
| 10:13.18 | sHyLoCk_ | hey if i select not to install a DE while installing debian, so that it doesn't install gnome by default can i install kde instead ?? |
| 10:13.20 | enouf | manicman: ssb (simple sid backport) generates a .deb which then gets installed as usual |
| 10:13.34 | enouf | yep |
| 10:13.37 | jaalto | dmesg: "ReiserFS: sdb1: warning: sh-2021: reiserfs_fill_super: can not find reiserfs on sdb1". How is this possible. I just run "mkfs.reiser4 /dev/sdb1" prior trying to mount |
| 10:13.46 | enouf | !install kde |
| 10:13.46 | dpkg | For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version> <install kde4> |
| 10:13.48 | manicman | enouf: ah o.k. thanks for the hint... will try this |
| 10:13.52 | sHyLoCk_ | apt-get install kde will work? |
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| 10:14.30 | sHyLoCk_ | !install kde4 |
| 10:14.31 | dpkg | The metapackage "kde-full" installs tons of stuff, "kde-minimal" the basic kde4 desktop. For more details on these metapackages, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html. As these packages are fairly new still, you will probably do better asking questions in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 10:14.38 | enouf | hasn't dealt with any reiser4 yet |
| 10:14.41 | jaalto | enouf: 2.6.26 |
| 10:14.54 | manicman | enouf: but what does "Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list." mean? comment out all other sources and put a line with exact link to the specific package? |
| 10:15.05 | enouf | no |
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| 10:15.11 | enouf | add == append ;-) |
| 10:15.20 | enouf | or add new |
| 10:15.36 | enouf | and another friggin line! |
| 10:15.37 | enouf | :-p |
| 10:15.48 | manicman | enouf: another friggin line? |
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| 10:16.17 | enouf | yes "another friggin line!" .. you can quote me |
| 10:16.36 | enouf | !deb-src |
| 10:16.37 | dpkg | hmm... deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
| 10:17.56 | manicman | enouf: i quoted you with a questionmark... ment that i did not understand what you mean... but anyhow.. will get this managed.. thanks so far.. |
| 10:18.37 | enouf | another freakin line <--any better? :-) |
| 10:18.57 | Trewas | jaalto: afaik you have to patch and compile kernel yourself if you want reiser4 support, it's not included in official kernels |
| 10:18.58 | Bilbo_Baggins | Anyone who want's to know...this is me. :) http://imagebin.ca/view/C5IBsl.html |
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| 10:19.19 | enouf | try /msg dpkg grounding ; /msg dpkg reference |
| 10:19.33 | enouf | Bilbo !! |
| 10:19.41 | enouf | where's Waldo !? |
| 10:19.54 | manicman | enouf: :P no i wanted to get some more information about that line..:) but i think i see what you mean... |
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| 10:20.14 | Bilbo_Baggins | LOL |
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| 10:20.30 | jaalto | Trewas: Clear. I was just testing new FS's and their perfornace on USB stick. |
| 10:20.51 | enouf | manicman: "deb-src ....." are for source. "deb ..." lines are for binary .deb pkgs |
| 10:21.51 | enouf | manicman: debian separates out all headers into ',,,,-dev' pkgnames, and '...-dbg' ones for symbols |
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| 10:22.32 | enouf | except for certain ones such as linux-headers-`uname -r` and such |
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| 10:23.14 | manicman | enouf: hm... did you just ment i have to add deb-src as another friggin line? |
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| 10:28.55 | enouf | yep |
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| 10:28.57 | tech10171968 | nope |
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| 10:29.08 | enouf | but one for 'sid' |
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| 10:29.17 | jaalto | Does reserFS 3.6 support labels like with e2label(8)? |
| 10:29.18 | enouf | !releases |
| 10:29.18 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 10:29.34 | enouf | jaalto: sure .. but with mkreiserfs |
| 10:29.40 | enouf | reiserfstune and such |
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| 10:30.30 | jaalto | enouf: can it be changed later? |
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| 10:30.55 | enouf | the label? sure .. why not? |
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| 10:31.41 | enouf | Besides that reiserfstune can store the bad block list to the ReiserFS and set UUID and LABEL. |
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| 10:32.04 | enouf | REISERFSTUNE(8) |
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| 10:32.34 | jaalto | enouf: thanks, that was it. |
| 10:32.41 | TSLJ | anyone use lxde? |
| 10:33.09 | tech10171968 | I played around with it for a couple of days |
| 10:33.20 | tech10171968 | rather snappy DE |
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| 10:33.50 | TSLJ | any dea how to get it to actually save my resolution setting instead of reverting back to whatever it is by default when i start x? |
| 10:33.53 | TSLJ | ****idea |
| 10:33.58 | TSLJ | yeah, its cool |
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| 10:34.30 | tech10171968 | what about your xorg.conf file? |
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| 10:36.16 | tech10171968 | I know they're doing away with the need for xorg.conf in the newer versions but it can still be used if you have some custom settings (like with Compiz for example) |
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| 10:41.57 | aprendiz001 | hi all, in debian exists in packeage all the cpan libraries or I have to install by myself? |
| 10:42.18 | aprendiz001 | I am trying to use check_apachestatus.pl but I have an error with LWP |
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| 10:43.45 | tech10171968 | there may be some cpan libs which you may not find in Debian |
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| 10:44.36 | tech10171968 | depending on what you're looking for you may want to be prepared to build and install yourself |
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| 10:45.07 | aprendiz001 | LWP/UserAgent.pm |
| 10:45.13 | aprendiz001 | this is what I need |
| 10:45.32 | tech10171968 | just a sec, I thought I saw that... |
| 10:45.38 | Trewas | aprendiz001: it's in package libwww-perl, like the rest of LWP |
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| 10:46.05 | aprendiz001 | thanks |
| 10:46.41 | Cain | Hi, aptitude dist-upgrade will upgrade my server from 5.0 to 5.0.2 but it will install exim4... how to do the upgrade without installing exim4 ? |
| 10:46.59 | tech10171968 | have you tried "aptitude install libwww-perl"? |
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| 10:47.12 | aprendiz001 | yes, I am installing now |
| 10:47.15 | aprendiz001 | thank you |
| 10:47.21 | tech10171968 | no problem |
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| 10:48.59 | cantido | Cain: install another package that supplies an MTA |
| 10:49.22 | Cain | can't do it later ? (after the dist-upgrade) |
| 10:49.51 | cantido | you should have one installed already.. you might want to investigate why it wants to install exim |
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| 10:51.40 | Cain | cantido : hope if i install postfix now it will be ok ^^ thx :) |
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| 11:16.01 | mosno | what's this i hear about logo changes |
| 11:16.04 | mosno | has the world gone mad? |
| 11:16.47 | cantido | as long as it isn't some shade of brown it's good with me |
| 11:16.54 | nevyn | sounds mad. |
| 11:17.01 | mosno | pfft, the debian logo is one of the best of all linux distros |
| 11:17.11 | nevyn | unless they're eliminating the "official use" logo |
| 11:17.15 | nevyn | which nobody uses |
| 11:17.23 | mosno | yea that could see more use |
| 11:18.22 | nevyn | mosno: there's an argument it'd just dilute brand at this point. |
| 11:18.32 | mosno | nevyn: definitely |
| 11:18.43 | mosno | nevyn: i don't see how they can make a better logo either |
| 11:18.57 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 11:20.43 | themill | Or for those who want to discuss this from a position of knowledge rather than ignorance, see the attachment to https://penta.debconf.org/dc9_schedule/events/459.en.html and keep an eye out for the videos in the next couple of weeks. |
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| 11:33.33 | kdub | hey, i have a raid1 root partition with debian stable, and the linux-image-xen-686 hangs on boot, any suggestions? |
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| 11:34.38 | JPT | i don't know the details, but if it won't boot up, try putting /boot on a NOT-RAID Partition |
| 11:34.56 | JPT | (this would be neccessary if it was a software raid) |
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| 11:36.12 | kdub | does grub not know how to work with RAID? i have another machine that has a raid-ed /boot that works fine... |
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| 11:38.27 | cantido | JPT: software raid1 would work fine |
| 11:38.43 | JPT | mh |
| 11:38.54 | JPT | so grub is able to work with a software raid?Oo |
| 11:38.58 | cantido | JPT: grub just has to be installed to both drives.. the installer detects that |
| 11:39.11 | JPT | mh |
| 11:39.14 | JPT | ok |
| 11:39.18 | cantido | JPT: RAID1 == Two copies of the same stuff, you can boot from either copy |
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| 11:39.25 | JPT | i know.. |
| 11:40.15 | cantido | kdub: where does it hang? |
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| 11:41.05 | ewook | I'd say boot from the md-dev. |
| 11:41.10 | nummer9 | how can i find out why my system crashes randomly crashed? |
| 11:41.53 | nummer9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:43.08 | nummer9 | sometimes it simply switches itself off. |
| 11:43.20 | nummer9 | since i use debian unstable |
| 11:45.15 | kdub | cantido: says that the 'image executable format' is not recognized |
| 11:45.46 | kdub | if i boot into a non-xen kernel, no problems |
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| 11:46.32 | cantido | kdub: you're not trying to boot a domu kernel on the bare hardware or something? |
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| 11:48.08 | kdub | no, i dont think so. i installed the linux-image-xen package, rebooted, and selected the new entry |
| 11:48.40 | bkw | the output from free -m, line: '-/+ buffers/cache: 575' is that how much memory the currently running processes are consuming? |
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| 11:54.48 | abrotman | dpkg: free ram |
| 11:54.48 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 11:54.52 | abrotman | bkw: ^^ |
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| 12:03.30 | kdub | cantido: i just tried putting the xen kernel on a non-raided boot partition, still no luck... |
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| 12:09.58 | bkw | abrotman: yes, then the 'used' column at the '-/+ buffers/cache:' is how much the currently running processes are consuming. |
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| 12:16.02 | Quaoar | i know it's not a debian problem but, how big should i make the partitions in an 1 TB external HDD? |
| 12:16.17 | Quaoar | i don't want an OS on it |
| 12:16.28 | ciscodude | just one big one? why not |
| 12:16.42 | Quaoar | ciscodude, is it ok? |
| 12:17.16 | ciscodude | I run a 1.5TB on my server here, works great |
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| 12:17.21 | ciscodude | all one partition |
| 12:17.39 | wall-e_ | hi everybody! |
| 12:17.40 | ranix | Same here, I have a 1 partition raid array of 1.2tb |
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| 12:18.09 | Quaoar | ciscodude, do you have a 1 TB partition? |
| 12:18.15 | Quaoar | a, ok |
| 12:18.16 | Quaoar | :)) |
| 12:18.18 | Quaoar | nice |
| 12:18.25 | Quaoar | ok, i think that's the way to go |
| 12:18.28 | wall-e_ | can someone help me to setup wireless network on debian? i can't connect to internet through wireless router. thanx! |
| 12:18.47 | Quaoar | wall-e_, what's the problem? |
| 12:18.59 | Quaoar | wall-e_, is your wifi recognized? |
| 12:19.04 | grazymax | hi all |
| 12:19.17 | wall-e_ | yes, it is recognized Quaoar |
| 12:19.58 | Quaoar | wall-e_, do you use network manager? |
| 12:20.01 | Quaoar | or wicd? |
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| 12:20.20 | sanmarcos | is there a way to see a log to see what program is accesing my file over a period of time, i.e a log of all disk reads/writes?. I have an hd that I put to sleep with hdparm, but everyonce in a while it wakes up and I dont know hy |
| 12:20.25 | factor | has anyone in here got the lirc remote going? |
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| 12:20.53 | Quaoar | wall-e_, what module does it use? |
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| 12:21.16 | wall-e_ | Quaoar, no, i tried to use wifi-radar, but it didn't help |
| 12:21.44 | wall-e_ | Quaoar, how can i find out what module is being used? |
| 12:21.52 | Titan8990 | wall-e_, lscpi -k |
| 12:21.57 | Titan8990 | wall-e_, or lshw |
| 12:21.58 | Quaoar | ciscodude, what filesystem should i use for it? i want to be accesible from both windows and linux |
| 12:22.01 | sHyLoCk_ | can anyone tell me how to get repo link to add it in the sources list? |
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| 12:22.08 | sHyLoCk_ | !nonfree |
| 12:22.08 | dpkg | non-free is probably a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:22.20 | abrotman | !tell sHyLoCk_ about sources.list |
| 12:22.23 | abrotman | !tell sHyLoCk_ about mirrors |
| 12:22.40 | sHyLoCk_ | thnx |
| 12:23.11 | sHyLoCk_ | !non-free sources |
| 12:23.11 | dpkg | hmm... non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 12:23.57 | abrotman | sHyLoCk_: please msg the bot |
| 12:24.05 | sanmarcos | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 12:24.14 | abrotman | sanmarcos: apt-cache search ? |
| 12:24.23 | abrotman | fuser? inotify? |
| 12:24.25 | sanmarcos | abrotman: no, to see what is waking up my hard drive every few minutes |
| 12:24.26 | abrotman | erm .. fam |
| 12:24.31 | abrotman | sanmarcos: powertop |
| 12:24.39 | Titan8990 | sanmarcos, lsof maybe |
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| 12:25.00 | sanmarcos | it might be something that is accesed for a second |
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| 12:25.05 | sHyLoCk_ | is away: Gone away for now |
| 12:25.10 | wall-e_ | i can't see any wifi module :( |
| 12:25.28 | sanmarcos | right, but it happens once, in a milisecond, it spins up my hard drive, I need something for constant monitoring of access to the HD |
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| 12:25.31 | abrotman | !tell sHyLoCk_ about away |
| 12:25.31 | Quaoar | wall-e_, network controller |
| 12:25.37 | sanmarcos | so it catches the culrpit in the act of waking up my hd |
| 12:25.38 | abrotman | sanmarcos: fam? |
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| 12:25.50 | abrotman | sanmarcos: apt-cache search file watch? file monitor ? go search |
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| 12:26.22 | wall-e_ | Quaoar, ethernet controller? |
| 12:26.33 | Quaoar | wall-e_, no |
| 12:26.55 | Quaoar | wall-e_, that's the ethernet card |
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| 12:27.01 | notebook2009 | hi there! i am thinking about buying this notebook: Aspire One D250-0Bk. Does anyone here own one??? |
| 12:27.22 | abrotman | notebook2009: are you going to install Debian on it? |
| 12:27.28 | sanmarcos | abrotman: I cant install fam, it wants to remove too many packages |
| 12:27.29 | Quaoar | wall-e_, post the output of lspci -k in pastebin.com |
| 12:27.36 | abrotman | sanmarcos: then keep looking .. |
| 12:27.36 | Quaoar | and put the link |
| 12:28.12 | notebook2009 | abrotman, i might. do YOU own one? |
| 12:28.42 | abrotman | notebook2009: either you're going to install debian on it or not |
| 12:29.33 | netbook2009 | either you own one or not |
| 12:30.12 | abrotman | gets off this train |
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| 12:30.57 | netbook2009 | Aspire One D250-0Bk owners, please get on board! |
| 12:31.06 | sanmarcos | abrotman: iwatch seems interesting |
| 12:31.06 | wall-e_ | http://pastebin.com/m782b86d4 Quaoar |
| 12:31.15 | cantido | netbook2009: aspire one should run debian.. it's a pc after all |
| 12:31.23 | abrotman | netbook2009: if you want to know about hardware .. ask ##hardware |
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| 12:32.40 | sanmarcos | abrotman: iwatch is awesome! |
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| 12:32.43 | Quaoar | wall-e_, i don't see it |
| 12:33.18 | Quaoar | wall-e_, if you type ifconfig, how many eth are there? |
| 12:33.28 | wall-e_ | Quaoar, but when i did iwlist wlan0 scan it showed 3 cells |
| 12:33.33 | netbook2009 | abrotman, if you want to know about hardware and its configuration on debian, ask #debian |
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| 12:33.47 | abrotman | i asked you if you were going to install debian, you said maybe/maybe not .. |
| 12:33.57 | abrotman | if you're not going to install debian, ask somewhere else |
| 12:34.07 | Lirion | netbook2009 you don't have the aspire one yet, so why ask about its configuration NOW |
| 12:34.14 | Lirion | this is futile |
| 12:34.21 | bkw | abrotman: but how should '-/+ buffers/cache:' be intrepreted. -/+ ? the value is: Mem(Total)-(Mem(free)+Mem(buffers)+Mem(cached)) :\ |
| 12:34.23 | abrotman | !notebook |
| 12:34.26 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 12:34.26 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <suspend>. See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 12:34.47 | Quaoar | wall-e_, you should check what wifi do you have with lshw |
| 12:34.55 | Quaoar | if it's not installed, install it |
| 12:35.07 | sanmarcos | abrotman: http://tinc.debian.net/ |
| 12:35.37 | abrotman | bkw: to come up with what value? if you want to know how much completely unused RAM, it's the total of the Free Mem+Swap .. buffers are in use, but can be easily freed up for use |
| 12:35.40 | ranix | sanmarcos: why are those wimmins on debian.net |
| 12:35.46 | ranix | there are no wimmins on the internets |
| 12:35.50 | abrotman | sanmarcos: seen it before .. so what ? |
| 12:35.52 | wall-e_ | Quaoar, ok |
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| 12:36.30 | sanmarcos | abrotman: you are part of the debian expert cabal |
| 12:36.36 | abrotman | hardly |
| 12:36.43 | ranix | there is no cabal |
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| 12:37.25 | sanmarcos | abrotman: iwatch is so awesome, I left it running, I will try to catch the culprit |
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| 12:37.41 | abrotman | or iwatch will keep waking up your drive to watch the inode ... |
| 12:37.53 | sanmarcos | abrotman: nooo! |
| 12:37.57 | ranix | haha |
| 12:38.07 | cantido | does iwatch use inotify? |
| 12:38.11 | sanmarcos | yes |
| 12:38.13 | ethanol | I did |
| 12:38.19 | ethanol | oh |
| 12:38.20 | ethanol | misread |
| 12:38.24 | ethanol | yeah it does :') |
| 12:39.13 | sanmarcos | abrotman: It doesnt, i just set the drive to sleep |
| 12:39.20 | abrotman | ok |
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| 12:41.20 | sanmarcos | lets hope I can track it down just by the action/file name |
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| 12:41.30 | sanmarcos | inotify has no API for showing which program caused the HD access? |
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| 12:43.11 | iluminator101 | How do add a navigational bar onto nautilus like ubuntu |
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| 12:43.33 | iluminator101 | How do I add a navigational bar onto nautilus like ubuntu? |
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| 12:44.23 | Lirezh | anyone here an idea how to make polipo cache everything? I've the problem that it does not cache certain files, and once it reaches memory limit it drops connection (by default 24mb) |
| 12:44.31 | sanmarcos | CHIMPS!! |
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| 12:45.00 | Lirezh | losing my nerves on the polipo config :( |
| 12:46.20 | sanmarcos | iluminator101: check preferences, view menu too |
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| 12:47.46 | sanmarcos | ahh I cactched it |
| 12:47.54 | sanmarcos | but its so generic I cant know what is accesing it |
| 12:48.05 | sanmarcos | ah no nevermind, my bad |
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| 12:51.25 | sanmarcos | what is a good server monitoring tool, something simple and nice, not too overcomplicated and requiring extensive configuration or fine tuning every few seconds, for ONE server? (lenny) |
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| 12:52.04 | Titan8990 | sanmarcos, depends on what you want to monitor |
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| 12:53.03 | sanmarcos | Titan8990: see if my services are up, unauthorized access (auth.log), HD issues (input/output errors), UPS power offs (not those that happen for 1 sec when I Turn on the vacuum), etc |
| 12:53.21 | sanmarcos | logcheck is nice but you spend an eternity finetuning regexps for rules |
| 12:53.42 | iluminator101 | sanmarcos:that option is not available in preferences? |
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| 12:56.20 | EugenMayer | hello. I want to disable plain ( PAM ) auth for ssh for every user except one ( maintaince ). Is that possible? |
| 12:56.45 | justin | EugenMayer: you can easily do that via the ssh config |
| 12:56.51 | sanmarcos | EugenMayer: AllowUsers |
| 12:56.54 | sanmarcos | EugenMayer: also DenyUsers |
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| 12:57.25 | sanmarcos | EugenMayer: echo AllowUsers maintenance >> /etc/ssh/sshd_config should do it |
| 12:57.32 | sanmarcos | put quotes around that |
| 12:59.30 | wall-e_ | Quaoar, i did lshw, it listed pci, usb, network interfaces and stopped at network interfaces. |
| 12:59.44 | Quaoar | ok |
| 12:59.58 | Quaoar | wall-e_, did it list the wifi? |
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| 13:00.10 | wall-e_ | no |
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| 13:02.15 | Quaoar | wall-e_, no network controller? |
| 13:02.47 | wall-e_ | Quaoar, it is still in network interfaces |
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| 13:03.31 | Quaoar | wall-e_, you should find out what wireless card you have |
| 13:03.38 | Quaoar | and google it |
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| 13:03.47 | Quaoar | for linux compatibility |
| 13:04.03 | Quaoar | wall-e_, does it work on other distros? |
| 13:04.08 | Quaoar | did you try any? |
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| 13:05.19 | nlindblad | Hi! I need to get Mono 2.4 (mod_mono really) onto Lenny. What is the best way to go? |
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| 13:05.38 | wall-e_ | Quaoar, but it detected the wireless network, it recognized wireless network name |
| 13:05.43 | nikki93 | Hey guys! My laptop crashed after it ran out of power, and it seems that wireless isn't working anymore (i'm not entirely sure it's due to the mentioned reason). Any idea how I can fix it? |
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| 13:06.08 | Quaoar | wall-e_, so what's the problem? |
| 13:06.25 | stew | nlindblad: aptitude install libapache2-mod-mono |
| 13:06.26 | wall-e_ | Quaoar, no internet |
| 13:06.28 | nikki93 | 'wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801' seems to be the problem. |
| 13:06.44 | stew | nlindblad: oh, that's probably not 2.4 |
| 13:06.49 | nlindblad | stew: But I'm on Lenny. I have mod_mono installed, but it's version 1.9.1 of Mono. I need 2.4 |
| 13:06.54 | nlindblad | stew: Yeah :) |
| 13:07.01 | Quaoar | wall-e_, is it encrypted? |
| 13:07.11 | stew | judd: versions libapache2-mod-mono |
| 13:07.12 | judd | stew: libapache2-mod-mono -- etch: 1.2.1-1 etch-backports: 1.9-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.9-1 sid: 2.4.2-1 squeeze: 2.4.2-1 |
| 13:07.13 | wall-e_ | yes |
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| 13:07.21 | stew | nlindblad: you can try /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:07.25 | nlindblad | Thanks |
| 13:07.56 | Quaoar | wall-e_, i think it should be pretty easy with network manager |
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| 13:08.25 | wall-e_ | ok, Quaoar thanx a lot |
| 13:08.29 | Quaoar | :)) |
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| 13:08.40 | Quaoar | wall-e_, well, i tried |
| 13:08.43 | nlindblad | stew: Oh, so a backport is new software compiled to work on older versions. I've always wondered. Thanks! |
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| 13:08.49 | wall-e_ | i wanted to use wicd, but apt-cache search didn't find it |
| 13:08.59 | wall-e_ | :) thanx for trying |
| 13:09.10 | Quaoar | wall-e_, it's in unstable |
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| 13:09.29 | ONE_PATE | hez guys |
| 13:09.34 | Lirion | I have lenny here and I can find wicd |
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| 13:09.48 | abrotman | judd: versions wicd |
| 13:09.49 | judd | abrotman: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 lenny-backports: 1.5.9-5~bpo50+1 sid: 1.6.1-3 squeeze: 1.6.1-3 |
| 13:09.51 | Quaoar | wall-e_, http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/wicd/download |
| 13:09.57 | abrotman | !tell Lirion about bpo |
| 13:10.01 | Lirion | oh |
| 13:10.05 | nlindblad | stew: Nothing in Lenny backports, guess I'd have to compile |
| 13:10.06 | Lirion | yeah saw that either |
| 13:10.07 | wall-e_ | Quaoar, thanx! |
| 13:10.09 | Lirion | forget that |
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| 13:10.35 | Quaoar | wall-e_, dpkg -i /path |
| 13:10.35 | ONE_PATE | how i can show all users? |
| 13:10.40 | abrotman | nlindblad: you oculd ask #debian-cli on oftc if they have anything hidden away |
| 13:10.53 | abrotman | ONE_PATE: getent passwd |
| 13:10.58 | nlindblad | Thanks |
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| 13:11.23 | ONE_PATE | abrotman: havnt root pwd |
| 13:11.29 | abrotman | don't need it |
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| 13:12.29 | ONE_PATE | i must type getent passwd? |
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| 13:14.27 | brabo | how is it that the debian netinst cd can find the internet without giving in ntework info and without a dhcp server running? |
| 13:15.00 | usb_user | So I'm trying to go about compiling the kernel the debian way, and I had a zlib error. I installed what I was missing and got it to compile. Now the kernel panics when I boot it. |
| 13:15.19 | usb_user | How do I remove a custom kernel .deb file that I installed? |
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| 13:16.07 | abrotman | usb_user: aptitude remove |
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| 13:16.46 | linduxed | if i delete a group, is there anything i should restart (or something like that) to have the changes take effect? |
| 13:16.56 | usb_user | so thats it? just aptitude remove linux-image-BLAH and linux-headers-2.6blah? It didn't show up in synaptic for me so I didnt know |
| 13:17.20 | usb_user | oh dang it, it was there.... |
| 13:17.20 | abrotman | usb_user: if you actually installed it with dpkg .. it should work |
| 13:17.25 | usb_user | is stupic |
| 13:17.27 | usb_user | is stupid |
| 13:17.36 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:17.42 | slayton | I've seen a few examples where people use svn<revision_number> in a package version number... what would be the appropriate way of doing this using a sources that are kept in a git repository, as the revision hash doesn't increment with git? |
| 13:17.54 | EugenMayer | justin: hmm with that "AllowUsers"..iam not sure how to use that. I mean i first say "User pam no" then, i activate the plaing auth for users by AlloUsers= |
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| 13:18.19 | justin | EugenMayer: what? don't mess with pam |
| 13:18.25 | nikki93 | Which package has zlib.h? |
| 13:18.30 | humbolt | my mysql server seems to freak out |
| 13:18.30 | justin | nikki93: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:18.32 | abrotman | !tell nikki93 about search |
| 13:18.47 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.55 | abrotman | nikki93: probaby something like libzlib1-dev .. but you'd do better to look yourself |
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| 13:19.17 | humbolt | It just started to malfunction, for no apparent reason. Nothing has changed |
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| 13:19.26 | humbolt | Just a few more sites using mysql |
| 13:19.34 | justin | humbolt: and what happens when you try to connect? |
| 13:20.05 | humbolt | justin: tells me, the server is not responding |
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| 13:20.42 | nikki93 | abrotman: Hehe, I do search quite a bit. But I was puzzled because libzzip didn't have it... |
| 13:21.07 | abrotman | nikki93: apt-file is a very useful tool to use/learn |
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| 13:21.17 | nikki93 | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 13:21.19 | humbolt | How can I check via console, if there are any corrupted tables and repair them? |
| 13:21.29 | sanmarcos | wtf!! |
| 13:21.40 | sanmarcos | abrotman: the hard drive spun up but iwatch showed nothing! |
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| 13:21.54 | abrotman | sanmarcos: maybe it's a hardware thing |
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| 13:22.08 | sanmarcos | a hardware thing? |
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| 13:23.40 | sanmarcos | what could cause a hard drive to spin up, its not file access |
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| 13:24.23 | wintix | sanmarcos: electricity. |
| 13:24.42 | sanmarcos | ... |
| 13:24.55 | wintix | ;) |
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| 13:25.09 | wintix | sanmarcos: it might have been the controller checking, if the drive is still connected. |
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| 13:25.45 | sanmarcos | or it could be updatedb.mlocate |
| 13:26.32 | sanmarcos | oh yeah, you tried to access, but I dropped an iotop on you |
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| 13:28.43 | Quaoar | wall-e_, did it work with wicd? |
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| 13:29.29 | wall-e_ | Quaoar, i couldn't install it. it confilicted with another network-manager, but i couldn't find that |
| 13:30.08 | Quaoar | wall-e_, i think it wanted a dependency |
| 13:30.19 | Quaoar | wall-e_, do a apt-get -f install |
| 13:30.22 | KeiKurono | wtf unrar not working |
| 13:30.35 | wall-e_ | Quaoar, ok |
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| 13:31.02 | sanmarcos | I put my mount point on PRUNEPATHS in /etc/updatedb.conf provided by package mlocate |
| 13:31.06 | sanmarcos | that should fix it up |
| 13:31.14 | mquin | g25 |
| 13:33.45 | Quaoar | wall-e_, did it install it? |
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| 13:35.52 | sanmarcos | !bing |
| 13:35.52 | dpkg | from memory, bing is an Empirical stochastic bandwidth tester |
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| 13:39.01 | ONE_PATE | how to show wich version of debain i hvae installed? |
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| 13:39.20 | stew | ONE_PATE: try 'lsb_release -a' |
| 13:39.44 | kwork | cat /etc/*version* |
| 13:39.45 | ONE_PATE | kk lenny |
| 13:40.15 | linduxed | i was wondering what files i should backup if i want to delete a group and maybe want to go back |
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| 13:42.32 | sanmarcos | are my hdparm settings lost on reboot? |
| 13:43.09 | EugenMayer | justin: my setup should be, only key-auth for every user. Only one user should be able to connect with plain auth |
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| 13:44.42 | illuminati | linduxed, /etc/group |
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| 13:48.24 | JuanJOBC | Hi all |
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| 13:49.28 | JuanJOBC | I have just installed Debian ina server, everything went ok. I wanted to install openssh-server, and I realized that apt-get asks me about the CD...I made apt-get update, but even that it stills asking me for the installation CD instead of looking the pakacge in internet resources.....Any idea? thanks |
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| 13:51.31 | justin | JuanJOBC: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:52.17 | JuanJOBC | justin, yeah , but should I remove the CD line from there?? I was afraid of doing so because it can screw my system...so I have to comment the CD line , right? |
| 13:52.19 | justin | JuanJOBC: yep |
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| 13:54.16 | JuanJOBC | done |
| 13:54.41 | JuanJOBC | but my sources.list has a few lines...just 5, I am used to have a longer one when working with ubuntu..is this normal? |
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| 13:55.15 | themill | JuanJOBC: two lines is pretty normal for a debian machine |
| 13:55.43 | justin | you can have 2 lines for unbuntu, but they tend to put one line per section where debian usually has '.... main contrib non-free' |
| 13:55.44 | JuanJOBC | themill, ok, it is my first Debian machine, so far only wored with Ubuntu and Mandrake |
| 13:56.53 | sanmarcos | this cocksucker of a drive |
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| 13:57.15 | sanmarcos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.50 | justin | sanmarcos: lol.. you dont want to use block_dump while syslog is running |
| 13:57.57 | justin | sanmarcos: you will end up with a feedback loop |
| 13:58.00 | sanmarcos | why not? |
| 13:58.12 | sanmarcos | how do I monitor the log then? |
| 13:58.18 | justin | dmesg |
| 13:58.27 | sanmarcos | oh right because syslog writes |
| 13:58.46 | nsadmin | not tail -f? |
| 13:58.53 | sanmarcos | tail -f /var/log/dmesg |
| 13:59.00 | justin | no, just dmesg |
| 13:59.09 | sanmarcos | can I do a tail -f on dmesg |
| 13:59.09 | sanmarcos | ? |
| 13:59.14 | justin | no |
| 13:59.23 | sanmarcos | can I do a watch dmesg |grep hdb |
| 13:59.29 | justin | yes |
| 13:59.35 | justin | watch -d -n 4 'dmesg|tail -n 20' |
| 13:59.36 | justin | or something |
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| 14:00.01 | sanmarcos | how do I stop syslog on lenny? |
| 14:00.20 | justin | same way you stop any other service |
| 14:00.31 | sanmarcos | ah its called rsyslog |
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| 14:01.42 | sanmarcos | watch -d is awesome |
| 14:02.02 | sanmarcos | got it so now i have watch -d -n 4 'dmesg|grep hdb|tail -n 40' |
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| 14:05.13 | sanmarcos | I am in a power trip |
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| 14:07.31 | JuanJOBC | I selected the option "SQL server" while intalling, but how do I know if mysql was installed? I wasn't asked for root password or something? |
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| 14:07.47 | sanmarcos | JuanJOBC: it installs postgres by default |
| 14:07.56 | JuanJOBC | mmmm |
| 14:08.05 | sanmarcos | debian has funny choices in packages, I dont agree with them at all |
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| 14:09.25 | Zharf | sanmarcos, liek what |
| 14:09.39 | sanmarcos | postfix > exim, dovecot > uw-imap |
| 14:09.46 | sanmarcos | for me, they seem better choices, |
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| 14:10.49 | sanmarcos | cpulimit -e firefox -l 40 #does not allow firefox more than 40 percent pcu usage |
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| 14:10.57 | sanmarcos | IVE GOT YOU |
| 14:11.25 | sanmarcos | [202800.518964] ls(18086): READ block 57147448 on hdb1; [202800.752279] ls(18086): dirtied inode 3564737 (lost+found) on hdb1 |
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| 14:11.36 | sanmarcos | [ 3/Aug/2009 07:10:47] IN_ISDIR,IN_OPEN /mnt/trelew/lost+found |
| 14:11.46 | sanmarcos | what could be opening lost+found on a hard disk, any ideas? |
| 14:12.14 | iluminator101 | How do i add ubuntu like navigational bar onto nautilus? |
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| 14:12.29 | sanmarcos | iluminator101: i've answered your qeustion hours ago, check preferences, view menu, etc |
| 14:12.58 | JuanJOBC | so I have to install mysql package |
| 14:12.59 | JuanJOBC | m |
| 14:13.15 | JuanJOBC | why everybody is going now with Postgree?? |
| 14:13.19 | abrotman | sanmarcos: he said hours ago .. option wasn't there .. so maybe he needs more guidance |
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| 14:15.14 | JuanJOBC | which one should I install?: |
| 14:15.19 | JuanJOBC | mysql-server - MySQL database server (metapackage depending on the latest version) |
| 14:15.20 | JuanJOBC | or |
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| 14:15.25 | JuanJOBC | mysql-server-5.0 - MySQL database server binaries |
| 14:15.25 | sanmarcos | iluminator101: what is a navigation bar? |
| 14:15.37 | JuanJOBC | I had a lot of problems before with UBuntu when chosing the 5.0 |
| 14:15.37 | humbolt | I am having trouble with my virtual network connections in Xen |
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| 14:15.45 | JuanJOBC | I dont' wnat to screw it up this time again |
| 14:15.48 | iluminator101 | like forward and back on nautilus |
| 14:15.49 | humbolt | It seems like I am loosing the connection all the time |
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| 14:16.06 | bkw | abrotman: I meant that the currently used is what the simple formula above shows. But it not easily understood from the text output of free -m which is: -/+ buffers/cache: I mean how do you interpret the -/+ on that line? :\ |
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| 14:16.40 | sanmarcos | iluminator101: what? its hard to understand |
| 14:17.26 | sanmarcos | iluminator101: edit>preferences>behavior> always open in browser windows, is it that? |
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| 14:19.08 | sanmarcos | it might be /etc/cron.daily/standard that is causing an ls on my hard drive's lost+found |
| 14:22.10 | abrotman | bkw: the man page doesn't say at all ? |
| 14:22.32 | JuanJOBC | Is it me or Debian seems to be much faster when fetching the same php web scripts? |
| 14:22.51 | humbolt | does lenny provide a xen dom0 environment? |
| 14:22.54 | JuanJOBC | (the same used before in Ubuntu server)? |
| 14:22.59 | ranix | !xen |
| 14:22.59 | dpkg | i heard xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen, although compatibility is maintained for user applications. Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 14:23.29 | bkw | abrotman: not from what I get out of the free man |
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| 14:23.50 | iandoh | hi guys |
| 14:23.58 | iandoh | how do i make something start at bootup |
| 14:24.01 | sanmarcos | iluminator101: any luck? |
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| 14:24.13 | Titan8990 | iandoh, put it in an init script and use update-rc.d |
| 14:24.17 | ranix | !tell iandoh -about startup |
| 14:24.28 | Titan8990 | iandoh, /etc/init.d/skeleton is there to help |
| 14:24.47 | iandoh | so nano /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 14:24.53 | Titan8990 | no |
| 14:25.11 | ranix | read the factoid |
| 14:25.15 | Titan8990 | i personally would want to keep the skeleton incase I want to make a 2nd |
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| 14:25.23 | Titan8990 | iandoh, and listent o ranix |
| 14:25.24 | iandoh | yes ill save it as something else |
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| 14:26.51 | sanmarcos | how does cron.d/standard work with laptops, if it wakes the hard drive up every day? |
| 14:26.53 | iandoh | http://pastebin.com/m339f8ee6 can you see anything wrong with that |
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| 14:27.33 | iandoh | http://pastebin.com/m4b97b579 sorru |
| 14:27.39 | justin | sanmarcos: i'd imagine it would wake up the HD every day... |
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| 14:30.54 | sanmarcos | this is weird I dont have logcheck or logtool on my system, yet something is accesing /etc/logtool and /etc/logcheck on a mounted drive |
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| 14:33.17 | kolpur | i'm unable to apply skins to mplayer .. what may be the problem ? |
| 14:33.27 | sanmarcos | kolpur: #mplayer |
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| 14:33.45 | sanmarcos | iluminator101: still there? |
| 14:34.07 | sanmarcos | now this is interesting, I do an ls on /etc/logcheck, and iwatch displays it as /mnt/mydisk/etc/logcheck being accessed |
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| 14:34.26 | sanmarcos | even though I did an ls -lR and those files are not symlinks to /mnt/mydisk, neither is /etc/ a mount of that disk |
| 14:34.54 | sanmarcos | either a bug in iwatch or the kernel inotify, interstingly dmesg displays no access for that disk.. |
| 14:35.15 | iluminator101 | back |
| 14:36.03 | justin | sanmarcos: I dunno if inotify cares about files opened for reading |
| 14:36.38 | sanmarcos | justin: well it shows up in iwatch, but not in dmesg with vm/block_dump enabled |
| 14:36.42 | sanmarcos | explain that |
| 14:37.03 | justin | shrug |
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| 14:37.24 | sanmarcos | yes... how something is picked up by inotify but not in block_dump. |
| 14:37.25 | iluminator101 | Thanks sanmarcos i got it, i will put in my journal |
| 14:37.34 | sanmarcos | iluminator101: was that it? did it do what you wanted? |
| 14:37.48 | iluminator101 | yes....thanks |
| 14:38.03 | sanmarcos | sure next time you answer put my name, so I know and your answer doesnt get lost |
| 14:38.37 | iluminator101 | sanmarcos: sure thing thanks again |
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| 14:39.59 | norbert_ | hi all, I have a license question (regarding a GPL3 package) |
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| 14:40.18 | norbert_ | is there a specific IRC channel that I can/should use for this, or can I give it a try here? |
| 14:40.23 | sanmarcos | go |
| 14:40.28 | norbert_ | ok :) |
| 14:40.33 | michauk | Hi there, anyone to explain me why Debian is packaging snort 2.7? Therefore it's impossible to update rules, as they are no longer available |
| 14:40.37 | michauk | Shall I install 2.8 from "sid" or something else? |
| 14:41.00 | norbert_ | it's regarding Flowplayer, which has a GPL 3+ license, but there is also a commercial version available that allows users to add their own logo to the player |
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| 14:41.27 | norbert_ | what I'm wondering is, since it's GPL 3+, would I be allowed to just edit the code and insert my own logo and not pay them anything? |
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| 14:41.52 | iluminator101 | Question: How do i automate multiple google searching? |
| 14:41.53 | norbert_ | because if I'm not, I would think the source of the project isn't really GPL 3+ |
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| 14:43.28 | iluminator101 | For instance how i do multiple google searching and put search results into like a digital scrapbook? |
| 14:43.33 | norbert_ | iluminator101: many ways; for example with expect: spawn lynx -width=150 -nounderline -nocolor -accept_all_cookies http://www.google.com/search?q=[lindex $argv 0] |
| 14:43.54 | ranix | norbert_: if you edit the code to insert your own logo (or anything else) you will be bound by the terms of the GPL3 if you distribute |
| 14:44.06 | norbert_ | ranix: yes, I know |
| 14:44.16 | ranix | norbert_: if you relicense with the initial rightsholder, you are not bound by this |
| 14:44.25 | ranix | that is the true purpose of reliscensure |
| 14:44.42 | sanmarcos | iluminator101: probably want to do scripting |
| 14:44.44 | norbert_ | I know this :) |
| 14:44.51 | norbert_ | but that's not my actual question |
| 14:44.56 | ranix | norbert_: then you have the whole story correctly |
| 14:44.57 | iandoh | [SCRIPT] start: emubox |
| 14:44.57 | iandoh | /emu/cccam/./run_background: line 1: ./CCcam.x86: Permission denied |
| 14:45.05 | iandoh | but i have chmodded them correctly |
| 14:45.06 | iandoh | so why |
| 14:45.13 | sanmarcos | iluminator101: the easiest thing would be something like the Automator application for Mac OS X, which requires no programmign knowledge. For Linux, I don't know, you might have to learn BASH, Python or any other scripting language to do what you want |
| 14:45.16 | ranix | norbert_: you are certainly allowed to alter any and all parts of the code as stipulated by the GPL3 |
| 14:45.25 | norbert_ | this is a company that has a very popular GPL 3+ flash player |
| 14:45.36 | norbert_ | and they have a commercial version that allows users to add their own logos |
| 14:45.48 | norbert_ | to me this seems weird |
| 14:45.48 | ranix | I bet purchasing it also gets the company to help them add logos and stet it up |
| 14:45.54 | ranix | set^ |
| 14:45.58 | norbert_ | can't someone simply edit the code and insert their own logos |
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| 14:46.10 | themill | norbert_: it would seem that they have an interesting spin on the GPL-3. Their site says "The Free version requires attribution to Flowployer in fullscreen mode and Flowplayer specific menu items are shown when the player is right-clicked." |
| 14:46.18 | norbert_ | and reupload the whole thing as "myownplayer" on myownplayer.org, making their commercial version useless |
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| 14:46.35 | norbert_ | themill: is that allowed? |
| 14:46.45 | sanmarcos | abrotman: so I put a grep -v mymount in /etc/cron.daily/standard to avoid the loop of checking for lost+found on my drive. That should be the last thing after excluding my drive from updatedb.mlocate. |
| 14:46.45 | norbert_ | I would say RMS needs to kick their asses |
| 14:47.16 | ranix | I think that's not really GPL3 then |
| 14:47.22 | norbert_ | exactly |
| 14:47.23 | ranix | do they say anywhere that they're GPL3? |
| 14:47.27 | iandoh | can anyone solve my problem abov? |
| 14:47.33 | themill | norbert_: you should check section 5d of the GPLv3 |
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| 14:48.10 | sanmarcos | abrotman: I will put a hold on the cron package so that I know that the standard script will not get overwritten. I will also file a bug to allow for exclusion of disks in the standard script |
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| 14:48.19 | iandoh | [SCRIPT] start: emubox |
| 14:48.19 | iandoh | /emu/cccam/./run_background: line 1: ./CCcam.x86: Permission denied |
| 14:48.21 | iandoh | that one |
| 14:48.26 | marcompile | enouf: hello |
| 14:48.40 | abrotman | iandoh: mounted noexec ? |
| 14:48.44 | norbert_ | theyy seem to have an additional term per GPL Section 7 |
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| 14:48.52 | user345fgh | hi |
| 14:48.54 | iandoh | ive chmodded it to 001 |
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| 14:49.34 | ranix | norbert_: "If the Program as you received it, or any part of it, contains a notice stating that it is governed by this License along with a term that is a further restriction, you may remove that term. " |
| 14:49.37 | iandoh | not sure what noexec is |
| 14:49.50 | user345fgh | ive installed apache2 and php5, ive added some php page to /var/www/somedir but apache does only display an empty page? the permissions are user www-data 777 |
| 14:49.55 | themill | ranix: read section 7b of GPLv3 |
| 14:50.03 | enouf | marcompile: hola ... |
| 14:50.05 | norbert_ | ranix: cool |
| 14:50.06 | sanmarcos | abrotman: hah, already there! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473711 |
| 14:50.24 | enouf | marcompile: heh - done! \o/ debootstrap ftw ;-) |
| 14:50.34 | enouf | marcompile: i'll tell you about it in PM |
| 14:50.35 | ranix | themill: a product name is not an author attribution |
| 14:50.53 | ranix | Flowplayer is not an author, therefore it cannot be an attribution, I suggest 7b does not apply |
| 14:51.01 | ranix | IANAL |
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| 14:51.33 | norbert_ | they go further than that, they even want you to keep their logo visible on the player |
| 14:52.07 | norbert_ | and, to go back to my original question..., can I edit the source, rename the player and insert my own logo without buying their commercial version? |
| 14:52.24 | ranix | It could be argued that Flowplayer is the author if the developing company is named that |
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| 14:52.51 | ranix | which it seems to be |
| 14:52.55 | enouf | although i did kind of do a play-by-play in here last night, but only cause i was kind of looking for some other suggestions, and it wasn't busy at all |
| 14:53.14 | enouf | marcompile: ^^^ if you want, do /lastlog enouf :-P |
| 14:53.15 | themill | ranix, norbert_: while I agree that their interpretation of GPLv3 is probably a little bit beyond what we would normally see, it's ultimately their code. If people try to enforce the entirety of GPLv3 on them, they can just relicence or drop the gpl version entirely and then it's all over. |
| 14:53.25 | norbert_ | see for example: http://www.lw7.de/flowplayer/examples/simple-example.html |
| 14:53.36 | norbert_ | if you press the fullscreen button (second from the right) |
| 14:53.43 | norbert_ | you see their logo in the top right corner |
| 14:53.54 | norbert_ | and their claim you have to buy the commercial version if you want to use your own logo |
| 14:53.59 | ranix | themill: they can for future versions; however, the code that has already been licensed under the GPL cannot be revoked. It's effectively "out of the bag" |
| 14:54.16 | ranix | themill: I do agree that it's ambiguous though |
| 14:54.27 | ranix | I'd ask the FSF |
| 14:54.31 | ranix | or my lawyer |
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| 14:56.39 | themill | ranix: true, the current LGPLness of that version is hard to revoke but this is presumably not a dead code base |
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| 14:57.41 | norbert_ | they write more about it here: http://flowplayer.org/download/license_gpl.html |
| 14:58.14 | norbert_ | among other things, when I would use their code, I have to make the full screen (and non-fullscreen equivalent) notice read: "Based on Flowplayer source code" |
| 14:58.21 | norbert_ | can they do that? |
| 14:58.34 | norbert_ | I get that I have to mention that in the sources |
| 14:58.39 | norbert_ | and a LICENSE file |
| 14:58.48 | norbert_ | but since when can GPL packages tell me what to display? |
| 14:58.52 | ranix | themill: "Appropriate Legal Notices" is a keyword defined in the paragraph above Section 1: Source Code, and I believe it does not apply to the logo |
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| 14:59.51 | ranix | section 7D seems to apply here: "Limiting the use for publicity purposes of names of licensors or authors of the material" |
| 15:00.07 | ranix | norbert_: thinking about it quite a lot I'd say you cannot add your own logo there |
| 15:00.13 | ranix | norbert_: but you can remove their logo |
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| 15:00.26 | jaalto | If I mount /dev/sdX /mount/point, and the further mount directories under /mount/point using 'bind'; will the mount options of /dev/sdX be inherited? Like if /dev/sdX is mounted ext3::data=writeback |
| 15:00.32 | ranix | ehr |
| 15:00.43 | ranix | I meant 7c, prohibiting misrepresentation of the origin of the material |
| 15:00.46 | ranix | not 7d |
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| 15:01.29 | ranix | then again, I don't know |
| 15:01.35 | ranix | haha I'm bowing out |
| 15:01.54 | themill | the answer seems simple... modify the code and then the following applies from flow's own licence page: "Licensees that do modify the Program, taking advantage of the open-source license, may not use the Flowplayer mark or Flowplayer logos" |
| 15:02.07 | themill | notice the magic *not* in that sentence |
| 15:02.21 | ranix | bingo |
| 15:02.25 | ranix | themill wins |
| 15:02.31 | themill | whoever wrote their licence should have stuck to coding and not writing licences... |
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| 15:05.09 | g00se | etch->lenny certainly broke HP cups printing for me. Anything in 'our' literature about that? |
| 15:05.40 | valdyn | g00se: its new package that provide the same old drivers |
| 15:05.42 | themill | g00se: there's a few files that have changed package in cups and friends |
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| 15:05.58 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 15:05.58 | dpkg | [cups setup] "aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>. |
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| 15:06.17 | marcompile | someone should updade the nvidia drivers from lenny |
| 15:06.25 | valdyn | marcompile: no |
| 15:06.44 | jair | guys I used the kmuto-san installer and the now I can do the netinstall not problem the installed recognized the new pci-express gigabit card from intel (e1000e) |
| 15:06.59 | marcompile | valdyn: the new geforce 200 series doesn't work with the old driver |
| 15:07.04 | valdyn | marcompile: maybe someone should put newer drivers up on backports.org, but squeeze or sid drivers work fine just aswell |
| 15:07.10 | marcompile | valdyn: also, the new drivers have much better performance |
| 15:07.11 | jair | thanks so much to kmuto for his hard work |
| 15:07.17 | Dirrk | Hi. I have an Samsung NC20 laptop, which has a number of special keys (like brightness control) on the keyboard, and I'm trying to make these keys work. ATM, I'm a bit confused about the various packages (kbd/console, acpi-support, etc.) and how they work together. Could anyone explain that to me, or point me to an overview? |
| 15:07.17 | valdyn | marcompile: irrelevant |
| 15:07.41 | marcompile | valdyn: so i have to use squeeze for my new hardware to work ? |
| 15:07.44 | jair | my only concern is what will happen now after the new kernel for lenny comes out which I think it will be 2.6.30 |
| 15:07.47 | themill | g00se: you might want to make sure the hpijs stuff is installed if that's what you're using. (and run the hp-setup utility to get the appropriate URI for it) |
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| 15:08.01 | valdyn | marcompile: no, you have to use newer drivers from anywhere, for example from squeeze |
| 15:08.12 | jair | I will probably not get updates or patches for the kernel I am running (kmuto's) |
| 15:08.34 | g00se | themill: Thanks. Was coming around to thinking it could be an hplip issue, but shall look at that too |
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| 15:09.02 | jair | abrotman: I am now using IRC from my laptop lenny so I can follow dpkgs and links you wanted me to see, just FYI :) |
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| 15:10.15 | marcompile | valdyn: I installed using the crappy nvidia installer, I wish I knew these new drivers were in squeeze yesterday |
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| 15:11.35 | valdyn | judd: versions nvidia-glx |
| 15:11.36 | judd | valdyn: nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.14-2 |
| 15:11.50 | valdyn | marcompile: just in sid theres newer ones it seems |
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| 15:17.50 | g00se | themill: The printer is attached to the parallel port. Perhaps i should test that somehow, as when i try hp-setup, it says it can't see the printer? |
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| 15:19.14 | themill | g00se: probably... you might need to make sure a kernel module is loaded. I have nfc how parport printers are handled these days.... haven't owned one since the 2.6 kernel came out... |
| 15:19.24 | nikki93 | How do you guys install the flash plugin for Iceweasel? I (unfortunately) tried the Ubuntu .deb by mistake and it messed it all up. :/ |
| 15:21.11 | g00se | themill: Well i had this in syslog today: 6187:Aug 3 07:03:45 hpbrio kernel: [ 69.332950] ppdev: user-space parallel port driver |
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| 15:21.36 | themill | dpkg: tell nikki93 about adobe flash |
| 15:21.47 | sanmarcos | I give up, it is impossible to make a hard drive only power up on demand |
| 15:21.59 | kamalnandan | Hi All |
| 15:22.04 | g00se | I did aptitude install adobe-flashplugin |
| 15:22.09 | themill | g00se: there's parport and partport_pc modules too |
| 15:22.19 | valdyn | !laptop-mode |
| 15:22.21 | sanmarcos | abrotman: you are right it might be a harwdare issue, the hard drive spins up with no logs showing in the kernel |
| 15:22.43 | valdyn | sanmarcos: your 'kernel' only spins disks down |
| 15:22.54 | valdyn | sanmarcos: spinning up happens automagically on demand |
| 15:23.10 | sanmarcos | valdyn: yeah, but I can't see what is causing it to spin up on demand |
| 15:23.28 | valdyn | sanmarcos: kjournald is |
| 15:23.31 | sanmarcos | valdyn: even with iwatch/inotify and /proc/sys/vm/block_dump some things arent logged there |
| 15:23.59 | valdyn | sanmarcos: why dont you read the documentation to laptop mode tools? |
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| 15:24.08 | sanmarcos | valdyn: nope, kjournald and pflushd get logged in the dmesg with block_dump enabled. sometimes the hard drive spins up with no log whatsoever of kjournald |
| 15:24.12 | sanmarcos | valdyn: explain that |
| 15:24.17 | g00se | themill: Yes. Actually they're both loaded |
| 15:24.50 | valdyn | sanmarcos: i have no idea what exactly block_dump enables |
| 15:24.53 | sanmarcos | valdyn: I cant trace what process, or what kind of activity is causing the hard drive to spin up. I must conclude it is a hardware issue |
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| 15:25.19 | jair | guys, I did the installation of the kmuto's kernel but I was wondering is there a linux-headers? |
| 15:25.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | search for them? |
| 15:25.49 | sanmarcos | valdyn: I will try laptop mode though |
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| 15:26.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | supposing you already added some repositories |
| 15:26.20 | valdyn | sanmarcos: i wonder how you made the disks spin down at all without laptop mode |
| 15:26.25 | valdyn | sanmarcos: via hdparm commands? |
| 15:26.30 | sanmarcos | valdyn: yep |
| 15:26.31 | valdyn | sanmarcos: that would be fuckedu p |
| 15:26.36 | valdyn | sanmarcos: dont do that |
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| 15:26.55 | sanmarcos | valdyn: why not? |
| 15:27.02 | valdyn | sanmarcos: hdparm is unsafe |
| 15:27.06 | themill | g00se: at this stage, you know more about it than me.... |
| 15:27.29 | sanmarcos | valdyn: will try laptop mode, thanks |
| 15:28.03 | valdyn | sanmarcos: laptop mode for spin down automagically, and adjust commit time for ext3 if you havent done that |
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| 15:28.25 | sanmarcos | valdyn: I dont want spin down automagically, I want auto spin up automagically |
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| 15:29.58 | g00se | themill: Thanks for the help. I might attack it first using some 'first principles'. e.g. i've noticed with some other devices that they're flakily recognised. Something wrong with udev? |
| 15:30.21 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: are you talking to me =) |
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| 15:33.37 | themill | g00se: no more or less than usual. Actually, udev mostly behaves very well, it's just rather opaque to debug should you need to do so. The bigger problem is that parport devices don't automagically identify themselves to the system. |
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| 15:35.42 | Evet | what is the differnce between aptitude and apt-get |
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| 15:36.43 | mquin | !why aptitude |
| 15:36.43 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 15:37.38 | Evet | thanks mquin |
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| 15:39.46 | dec3pti0n | anyone here happens to work on an hp MSA500 ? |
| 15:40.04 | Cain | Hi again ^^, when creating db.example.com (for bind conf) on almost tutorials i've found @ IN SOA example.com. info.example.com. <== info.example.com refers to what ? the machine name ? or i can put whatever i want ? |
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| 15:40.27 | steven43126 | is there an easy way to dump routing tables ? |
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| 15:40.39 | steven43126 | i.e an ip equivelant of iptables-save ? |
| 15:41.28 | marcompile | i don't think so |
| 15:41.36 | marcompile | if you want to dump you can use ip route ls |
| 15:41.51 | marcompile | but if you want to save then restore later there is nothing i think |
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| 15:42.12 | steven43126 | marcompile: yes i realise that what i should have said was a format that lest me reimport the table as well :) |
| 15:42.32 | steven43126 | ip route < dumped_routes :) |
| 15:42.56 | marcompile | some years ago i had the same problem as you and tried to think in a tool that made what you want with ip and with tc |
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| 15:43.21 | marcompile | but i gave up |
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| 15:43.43 | steven43126 | marcompile: i guess resort to a bash wrapper script and a for loop :) |
| 15:43.55 | steven43126 | thanks for the input |
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| 16:00.02 | kamaln | Hi.. |
| 16:00.38 | iridos | is that anything to reset the X server in a way like sending SIGHUP? |
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| 16:01.51 | iridos | just happened again, somehow the mouse runs wild and gets stuck in some menu... and now the keyboard doesn't work at all under X (it does on a console though if I switch with chvt via ssh) |
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| 16:03.14 | valdyn | Cain: the first name is the authorative nameserver, the 2nd the admin email address |
| 16:03.58 | iridos | it's annoying the heck outta me... all programs are still running, but will of course be killed when I reset X |
| 16:04.03 | Cain | valdyn : thx |
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| 16:04.36 | iridos | killing the WM might work... but the xsession is linked to that process |
| 16:05.04 | xororand | How can I use ULOG with debian's ip6tables? |
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| 16:05.56 | xororand | libip6t_ULOG.so is not contained in the iptables package |
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| 16:06.30 | iridos | !tell xororand -about apt-file |
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| 16:08.19 | xororand | thank you iridos |
| 16:08.22 | iridos | gaaah, openbox --replace just killed X as well :( |
| 16:08.22 | xororand | nice tool |
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| 16:08.46 | iridos | yeah, that one should be installed in the base installation, imo |
| 16:08.59 | iridos | with big signs pointing to it :) |
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| 16:09.18 | xororand | very true, especially for new users who are not familiar with debian specialities, like different package names, yet |
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| 16:09.39 | iridos | looks at CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 16:10.42 | xororand | unfortunately libip6t_ULOG.so doesn't seem to be contained in any debian package :( |
| 16:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder if it's a quirk in fvwm2 |
| 16:11.11 | iridos | let me continue as CutMeOwnThroat ... now that X restarted anyway |
| 16:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | xororand, I didn't think so... that name doesn't look like one that would be used in debian |
| 16:12.21 | xororand | CutMeOwnThroat: find /lib/xtables/ -name "libip6t*" |
| 16:12.33 | xororand | lots of names like that :) |
| 16:12.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-file search libip6t" more like that |
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| 16:13.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | you got xtables installed? |
| 16:13.25 | xororand | yes |
| 16:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess it'd be supposed to be in there if anywhere |
| 16:13.42 | xororand | /lib/xtables/ belongs to the "iptables" package |
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| 16:14.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 16:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also xtables-addons-common and xtables-addons-source though |
| 16:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm... iptables? |
| 16:14.55 | xororand | yes |
| 16:14.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | wasn't that only for 2.4 kernels? |
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| 16:15.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's all ipchains now |
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| 16:15.33 | xororand | vice versa, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 16:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !iptables |
| 16:15.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 16:15.38 | xororand | ipchains 2.4, iptables 2.6 |
| 16:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, right |
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| 16:16.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian for hints |
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| 16:17.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, not so very nourishing |
| 16:17.15 | xororand | it doesn't mention IPv6 or ULOG |
| 16:17.20 | xororand | strange |
| 16:17.29 | xororand | strange because the IPv4 ULOG target is indeed included in the package |
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| 16:17.53 | humbolt | what is the difference between starting the xen hypervisor as dom0 and starting the normal xen kernel? |
| 16:18.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... you surely installed ulogd then - look in /usr/share/ulogd/*README* for hints |
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| 16:18.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | the package would become pretty useless if iptables couldn't produce the data needed |
| 16:19.11 | Kuifje111 | hello all. is it possible to run a VNC server without having run X all the time? I have got a PC with openbox onto it and want to be able to login onto it with VNC, but I dont want it to be logged on all the time. |
| 16:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ulogd |
| 16:19.20 | dpkg | ulogd is, like, an userspace netfilter extension that allows proper firewall logging. It's currently in development and contains bugs, see http://www.gnumonks.org, or ulogd 0.97 (woody) doesn't work with kernels >= 2.4.18 (see http://lists.gnumonks.org/pipermail/ulogd/2002-October/000178.html) |
| 16:19.34 | cantido | Kuifje111: the vncserver runs it's own X session |
| 16:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kuifje111, e.g. vnc4server runs it's own session |
| 16:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 16:20.03 | Kuifje111 | all right. that is useful information, thank you! |
| 16:20.25 | cantido | There is a server that controls the local server too.. forget which one that one is |
| 16:20.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | x11vnc |
| 16:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | this factoid is slightly ancient |
| 16:21.40 | xororand | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I'm already using ULOG with my IPv4 iptables rules |
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| 16:22.55 | xororand | "apt-get source iptables" doesn't contain the ip6t_ULOG module either. maybe it doesn't exist? |
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| 16:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would explain why you can't find it :) |
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| 16:35.44 | lackk | hello all |
| 16:35.57 | KiRLi | how can i open vncserver my desktop? (i can connect local but i dont connect from outside) |
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| 16:38.52 | lackk | im having troubles with gdb aplication, maybe i have to use aptitude or so? gdb it showingme that the file or directory doesnt exist, but is it |
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| 16:39.55 | lackk | i type: gdb then run ./path/to/program |
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| 16:40.20 | lackk | and showme: Starting program: trinity-core |
| 16:40.20 | lackk | No executable file specified. |
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| 16:40.36 | lackk | :/ |
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| 16:41.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jusg "gdb ./program" , then type "run"? |
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| 16:42.11 | linduxed | ive got a custom PS1 prompt, and the various terminals (xterm, gnome-terminal, urxvt) go back to the beginning of the current line, starting to overwrite what i wrote. any fix to this? |
| 16:42.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean fix like... don't use your custom PS1 prompt? |
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| 16:42.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | or write one that isn't faulty? |
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| 16:43.13 | lackk | No such file or directory ;(( |
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| 16:43.27 | lackk | ofc the file and directory exist |
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| 16:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | surely it doesn't... |
| 16:43.45 | Titan8990 | obviously it doesn't |
| 16:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the disk is corrupt |
| 16:44.02 | Titan8990 | tab completion == win |
| 16:44.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 16:44.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | always! |
| 16:44.22 | linduxed | CutMeOwnThroat: well it is not faulty, or at least the syntax seems right |
| 16:45.15 | dutchfish | just want you to know that tab-completion for certai commmands doe snot work as non-root |
| 16:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | because /sbin is not in your path |
| 16:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and /usr/sbin |
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| 16:46.11 | lackk | omg!! |
| 16:46.11 | lackk | i cant use ./patch |
| 16:46.12 | lackk | path |
| 16:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can! |
| 16:46.12 | lackk | just /path |
| 16:46.12 | lackk | no way cut |
| 16:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | all ways |
| 16:46.12 | lackk | withouth . i run it |
| 16:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're different things though |
| 16:46.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're only the same thing if you do cd /; 1st |
| 16:46.40 | lackk | how ever i really apreciate your help guys =*** |
| 16:46.58 | themill | lackk: you want "file" not "run" in gdb |
| 16:47.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell lackk -about fundamentals |
| 16:47.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should probably have a good read if you don't know the difference between "./" and "/" |
| 16:47.58 | g00se | thinks the list of dependencies for hplip is crazy! |
| 16:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | "." means the current directory |
| 16:48.21 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: I think you'll find he knows all this... |
| 16:48.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I do? |
| 16:48.46 | lackk | hmm |
| 16:48.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see how you can confuse the two if you know all this |
| 16:49.03 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: he's not... he's using the wrong command in gdb |
| 16:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's like confusing an elephant and a mouse because they're both grey |
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| 16:49.23 | lackk | LOL |
| 16:49.27 | cantido | what if the mouse was wearing a mask? |
| 16:49.35 | lackk | exactly |
| 16:49.36 | lackk | xD |
| 16:49.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, at first... but then I told him to give the file as an argument to gdb and just type "run" |
| 16:49.45 | lackk | or if its a fat mouse? |
| 16:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, then it was a clever cat |
| 16:49.52 | lackk | :P |
| 16:50.05 | lackk | thanks for help guys i got it ;=) |
| 16:50.20 | themill | looks confused |
| 16:50.34 | cantido | is a dolphin born into a human body .. sob |
| 16:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, careful with sex then... doplhins mate under water ... for a long enough time for humans to drown |
| 16:52.07 | cantido | scuba gear for the misses. |
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| 16:57.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
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| 17:01.29 | cantido | had to manually write page numbers on ~50 and then write an index because the misses couldn't work out how to operate openoffice on lenny :/ sigh |
| 17:01.59 | themill | reportbug mrscantido |
| 17:02.37 | cantido | she said the translation of the menu's was messed up or something.. going to have to get her to right all the strings down and file a bug |
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| 17:03.15 | themill | cantido: OOo uses different names for some things compared to other legacy programs -- that could be part of the problem |
| 17:03.51 | ajavid | mice are not grey |
| 17:03.57 | ajavid | mice are like all diff colors |
| 17:04.03 | cantido | mmm I think lenny is OOo2 though, the interface is a bit better in OOo3 or whatever it is now |
| 17:04.14 | ajavid | backports has oo3 |
| 17:04.15 | linduxed | i figured out what it was that breaks the linedrawing in terminals, when i customize my PS1. |
| 17:04.15 | linduxed | ALL colours break the line functionality.... |
| 17:04.20 | themill | cantido: bpo has OOo 3.1 |
| 17:04.25 | linduxed | cant figure out why |
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| 17:05.33 | cantido | tries to find where that machine is, it's probably in the toilet or something |
| 17:05.50 | humbolt | how can I speed up boot-time fsck? |
| 17:05.58 | humbolt | or can I abort it? |
| 17:06.21 | humbolt | and do it online later on? |
| 17:06.23 | humbolt | ext3 |
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| 17:07.02 | cantido | you can ctrl-c it.. but I think that sends out the wrong return code and you get a reboot |
| 17:07.05 | hesco | I've got /etc/apt/sources.list pointing at lenny main. But I need to install postgresql 7 for a quick task, aftre which I intend to remove it. Without upsetting my entire installation, how can I do that quickly? |
| 17:07.28 | cantido | hesco: install it inside a chroot |
| 17:07.36 | cantido | hesco: build said chroot with debootstrap |
| 17:07.48 | cantido | or use kvm and whack it in a vm |
| 17:08.17 | themill | humbolt: does this happen every time or just occasionally? |
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| 17:08.36 | humbolt | themill: just now. |
| 17:09.18 | cantido | humbolt: if it's a laptop fsck is skipped if you're on batteries.. ;) |
| 17:09.19 | themill | humbolt: you can use tune2fs to change the number of mounts/number of days between checks so that it crops up less often |
| 17:09.33 | humbolt | themill: can I do an fsck.ext3 online? That's on my server. |
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| 17:10.55 | cantido | humbolt: you can do a fsck on a readonly mounted fs |
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| 17:12.59 | humbolt | mount -o remount,ro,noatime,nodiratime,acl /home mount: /home is busy |
| 17:13.21 | cantido | humbolt: cd / first? lsof | grep /home |
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| 17:14.11 | cantido | ah, you don't need grep |
| 17:14.13 | cantido | silly me |
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| 17:14.49 | mario_ | Hi |
| 17:15.05 | mario_ | why do i not get a list of the upgrade packages here? http://pastebin.com/df0d9a0 |
| 17:15.15 | mario_ | i want to upgrade woody to sarge |
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| 17:15.55 | valdyn | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 17:15.55 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 17:16.00 | stew | mario_: we'd recommend you follow the procedure inthe sarge release notes instead of what you are trying to do |
| 17:16.11 | hesco | thanks cantido. Yes, I'm now imagining doing this job on an AWS EC2 instance |
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| 17:17.14 | cantido | hesco: shouldn't be any different, unless the fs doesn't allow remounts or you have loads of stuff holding handles to files |
| 17:17.23 | mario_ | thanks |
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| 17:18.59 | humbolt | cantido: well, thanks for the hint. I found the reason. Multiple logs are written by my rails apps on that partition. I guess I'll just do a reboot late at night to get that cleared later. |
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| 17:19.23 | cantido | humbolt: ah, it's a production machine? |
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| 17:19.39 | humbolt | cantido: yes |
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| 17:20.47 | cantido | humbolt: for my personal stuff I keep a small vps around for these situations. Everything slows down, but it's better than everything going down |
| 17:21.25 | humbolt | cantido: what do you mean? |
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| 17:23.38 | cantido | humbolt: if you have one machine running your app you can never take it down. if you have a shitty machine that can host a "down for repairs" page or something it helps |
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| 17:24.50 | ||arifaX | is someone using mp3blaster? / = search does not work maybe I make a small mistake? |
| 17:25.37 | humbolt | cantido: ok, I understand |
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| 17:26.23 | cantido | if you host your mail and dns from the same single machine you have even bigger headaches :/ |
| 17:26.26 | humbolt | cantido: concerning freenode and OFTC, I was asking in both places, as I have no idea which one is the more frequented one. |
| 17:26.56 | humbolt | cantido: I have all services in seperate VMs |
| 17:27.09 | cantido | OFTC is the offical channel, never been there though |
| 17:27.10 | cantido | http://pastebin.com/df0d9a0 |
| 17:27.26 | cantido | oops |
| 17:28.09 | cantido | feels lucky something dodgy wasn't in the buffer instead |
| 17:28.11 | humbolt | cantido: performance wise, is it a big drawback to host each service in a seperate VM? |
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| 17:29.00 | cantido | mail and dns aren't really resource hogging services, as long as you don't have a massive load spam filters and stuff running |
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| 17:29.51 | humbolt | cantido: I am more concerned about the many additional kernels running |
| 17:30.09 | cantido | humbolt: they're on the same real hardware? |
| 17:30.41 | humbolt | yes |
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| 17:31.46 | Titan8990 | humbolt, are you using vmware esxi? |
| 17:32.05 | humbolt | Titan8990: no, xen |
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| 17:32.13 | cantido | perfomance is probably worse, more stuff loaded into memory, memory partitioned into little lumps so limited caches per machine.. a vmware sales rep will tell you different though |
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| 17:33.00 | humbolt | Another question: when I log into my Xen dom0 via ssh as a normal use, I am logged out immediately and get this message: [screen is terminating] |
| 17:33.00 | runix__ | heyas :) I would like to run a process and make sure it will run at maximum N hours. Any monitoring system with that feature? |
| 17:33.06 | humbolt | how come? |
| 17:33.13 | Titan8990 | cantido, vmware solutions are different... |
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| 17:33.34 | Titan8990 | cantido, specifically esx and esxi |
| 17:33.58 | cantido | Titan8990: it's all wedging N oses into 1 piece of hardware |
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| 17:34.04 | \amethyst | runix__: you could do program & sleep $((N * 3600)) && kill $! |
| 17:35.06 | runix__ | \amethyst: yes & sleep $((3)) && kill $! doesn't seems to work |
| 17:35.12 | pickcoder | cantido: you'd be surprised |
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| 17:36.01 | \amethyst | runix__: it should run for about 3 seconds and then be killed. If you're running over a slow network connection, you might continue getting output for a while |
| 17:36.16 | cantido | pickcoder: It's probably better then it was when everything was emulated, but if you're running another os you'll always have that added baggage |
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| 17:36.41 | runix__ | \amethyst: even local is more than 3 secs, but works. perf. tnx |
| 17:36.54 | pickcoder | cantido: and your gross CPU idle% is currently what? |
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| 17:38.38 | cantido | pickcoder: mmm utilization isn't good for web apps ;) |
| 17:38.39 | g00se | Try true & sleep |
| 17:38.39 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 17:38.52 | pickcoder | cantido: why not? |
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| 17:39.01 | DukeDrake | is there a commandline tool to convert word documents to pdf for debian? |
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| 17:39.42 | cantido | pickcoder: because it's all about response times, if your machine is always busy your response times go up |
| 17:39.45 | themill | DukeDrake: unoconv may or may not work for you. |
| 17:40.07 | pickcoder | cantido: but you'd rather take it down entirely than have a slower fall-back for mainteance? |
| 17:40.11 | pickcoder | ~maintenance |
| 17:40.14 | pickcoder | shrugs.. |
| 17:40.15 | sanmarcos | http://www.clarin.com/diario/2009/08/03/um/m-01971036.htm wtf |
| 17:40.19 | pickcoder | so set up another machine |
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| 17:40.20 | sanmarcos | 300 km/h in a highway |
| 17:40.27 | cantido | pickcoder: if the real box goes up the wall, you're in the same situation |
| 17:40.34 | humbolt | does it actually make sense to dedicate more than one cpu to a domU? |
| 17:40.37 | themill | sanmarcos: wrong channel.... try #debian-offtopic |
| 17:40.51 | pickcoder | cantido: that's true for any server |
| 17:40.58 | DukeDrake | themill: ok, I'll have a look at it |
| 17:41.05 | pickcoder | host it on a machine with redundant P/S and RAID |
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| 17:41.13 | pickcoder | or build another machine |
| 17:41.42 | cantido | pickcoder: I thought the general practise for webapps is HA not VM.. maybe for shared hosting where you need to stop customers killing each other |
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| 17:42.03 | pickcoder | I don't have time for that debate |
| 17:42.17 | pickcoder | it's all about segmentation |
| 17:42.59 | cantido | still you can run multiple environments without running multiple kernels :) |
| 17:43.31 | kamaln | Hi..I am doing ubuntu/debian packaging, this is the control file: |
| 17:43.35 | kamaln | http://paste.debian.net/43263/ |
| 17:43.59 | kamaln | but when i do debuild -s -uc, i get the following error: |
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| 17:44.59 | themill | kamaln: there's no "OpenEXR-devel" in debian. Devel package are usually named -dev and package names *must* be lowercase. You might want to read through the nmg and policy again. /msg dpkg policy ; /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 17:45.34 | pickcoder | HA is the goal for any external service where 24/7 operation is critical |
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| 17:46.11 | pickcoder | there's more than one way to get there, each having a different level of separation and/or lag |
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| 17:47.49 | cmyers_work | !ask |
| 17:47.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:47.53 | dvinchi666 | <UbuntuNISMO> just ask |
| 17:48.31 | cantido | pickcoder: you always basically need more than one real machine if you need to avoid downtime |
| 17:48.54 | cantido | pickcoder: vm's are maybe nice because you can do live migration etc |
| 17:49.14 | DukeDrake | unoconv won't work for me as I don't have a ooffice installation. My system is terminal only (no X) ... |
| 17:49.17 | kamaln | themill: thanks for your reply..but what if openEXR-devel is required by my package ? |
| 17:49.34 | kamaln | infact, I have installed that on my machine.. |
| 17:49.35 | DukeDrake | any other idea of converting word documents to .pdf? |
| 17:49.48 | DukeDrake | like a printer driver or something? |
| 17:49.49 | cantido | kamaln: it should be something-dev in debian though |
| 17:50.07 | cantido | DukeDrake: cups has a pdf printer, OOo can output pdfs |
| 17:50.22 | cmyers_work | pickcoder: for any system where you need "six nines" of availability, or count availability in "nines", you need to think about all single points of failure. Hosting on a single machine is one, having a single power supplier and no generator is another, having a single switch, router, or ISP is another. You even may want to use hardware across data centers that are located far apart, geographically |
| 17:50.24 | pickcoder | cantido: migration? you mean moving the VM? |
| 17:50.54 | DukeDrake | cantido: thanx |
| 17:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | DukeDrake, openoffice? |
| 17:50.55 | \amethyst | DukeDrake: you don't need to install all of OOo, just the core; and you don't need to install the X server, just libraries |
| 17:51.10 | pickcoder | cmyers_work: if you consider fail-over and recovery that far down, yeah. I was only talking about application level. |
| 17:51.12 | DukeDrake | \amethyst: I see |
| 17:51.13 | \amethyst | DukeDrake: abiword can also do it (from the command line with --print), but it also uses X libraries |
| 17:51.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, didn't see that non-X bit |
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| 17:51.25 | cantido | pickcoder: never used it, seems like a nice idea... machine x needs to be downed, move service y vm to another machine |
| 17:51.25 | amcsi | hello |
| 17:51.30 | DukeDrake | Well, I actually DO have X installed ^^ |
| 17:51.33 | pickcoder | I'll never stick everything on one monster VM server |
| 17:51.39 | DukeDrake | (though I can't use it currently) |
| 17:51.42 | amcsi | is it possible to make the sudo command ask for the root password instead of my account's? |
| 17:51.53 | \amethyst | DukeDrake: oh, and there's antiword, but I don't know if it handles complicated stuff very well |
| 17:51.55 | DukeDrake | ubt if cups can do it ... ^^ |
| 17:52.00 | cantido | amcsi: that's know as su |
| 17:52.02 | pickcoder | though, it is nice having an entire server already imaged and encapsulated |
| 17:52.06 | DukeDrake | hehe, lol ... those names are funny |
| 17:52.12 | DukeDrake | *but |
| 17:52.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think getting pdf is a problem... more like reading the word document |
| 17:52.15 | \amethyst | DukeDrake: cups by itself can't do it without having something that knows the file format |
| 17:52.30 | DukeDrake | oh, I see |
| 17:52.34 | amcsi | but su logs me in as root, rather than let me execute a single command as root |
| 17:52.39 | cantido | amcsi: su -c |
| 17:52.41 | kamaln | cantido: does it mean that in the Build-Depends section of the control file, I can mention only those packages that are available in debian? |
| 17:53.03 | cantido | kamaln: yeah, what would be the point otherwise, it wouldn't be buildable by the buildservers |
| 17:53.21 | pickcoder | considering the number of drive and RAID failures I've experienced the past 6 months on our e-mail server I had considered a VM mail server at one point |
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| 17:53.28 | amcsi | cool, thanks |
| 17:53.32 | \amethyst | kamaln: there is a libopenexr-dev in Debian, btw |
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| 17:54.04 | M06w | after editing crontab is there anything I have to do to initiate the changes? |
| 17:54.18 | hanibana | hi al |
| 17:54.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 17:54.24 | M06w | awesome |
| 17:54.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks around for al, but can't find him. |
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| 17:54.46 | M06w | then, if something is set to do something daily, does it do it at midnight? |
| 17:55.02 | \amethyst | M06w: it does it whenever the crontab specifies |
| 17:55.20 | kamaln | cantido: then what should i do abput those packages that are required to build my package but are not available in debian..infact, this "OpenEXR" package , i downloaded the source from a website , copiled and installed .. |
| 17:55.32 | M06w | alright |
| 17:55.34 | hanibana | i'm installing the drivers of a Coexant USB external dial up modem, the deb package that comes with its CD: http://pastebin.com/m829f372 |
| 17:55.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | M06w, "man crontab" has all the details :) |
| 17:55.48 | \amethyst | kamaln: either package them as well, or use the Debian openexr packages |
| 17:56.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, tell a lie, it doesn't |
| 17:56.13 | hanibana | what can I do with this "FLAGS was changed in "/usr/lib/dgcmodem/modules/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS" error? |
| 17:56.17 | kamaln | \amethyst: thanks..but I am not sure if both are same or different.. |
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| 17:56.45 | \amethyst | kamaln: so why not investigate that (e.g. look at the copyright file or even the orig.tar.gz)? |
| 17:56.48 | amcsi | how do I execute a .deb file in command line? |
| 17:56.55 | g00se | DukeDrake: You might try http://www.artofsolving.com/opensource/pyodconverter |
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| 17:56.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | M06w, man 5 crontab does, though. |
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| 17:57.13 | hanibana | amcsi: you install it, not execute. dpkg -i debfile |
| 17:57.24 | amcsi | thx |
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| 17:57.27 | g00se | amsci: execute? They're archives... |
| 17:57.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | amcsi, and you normally don't need that |
| 17:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wayttd amcsi |
| 17:57.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, amcsi? |
| 17:57.49 | cantido | kamaln: you should supply packages for those... if it's local package you could just leave them out |
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| 17:58.00 | amcsi | practising bash |
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| 17:58.41 | g00se | amsci: sudo dpkg -x thepackage /tmp |
| 17:58.50 | kamaln | cantido: ok..thanks.. |
| 17:58.52 | \amethyst | kamaln: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libopenexr-dev Debian seems to use 1.6.1, which is newer than the version available from openexr.com |
| 17:58.55 | hanibana | any idea? :( |
| 17:58.55 | kamaln | let me check.. |
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| 17:59.31 | amcsi | su -c dpkg -i opera_10.00.4492.gcc4.qt3_i386.deb <- why didn't this work? |
| 17:59.54 | \amethyst | amcsi: su -c wants the entire shell command to execute as one argument |
| 18:00.04 | \amethyst | amcsi: so su -c 'dpkg -i opera_*.deb' |
| 18:00.11 | amcsi | ah, thx |
| 18:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... |
| 18:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !opera apt |
| 18:00.40 | dpkg | opera apt is probably http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/841 |
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| 18:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | amcsi, ^^^ |
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| 18:02.21 | abrotman | though the opera 10 debs ask to install a sources.list.d file now |
| 18:02.36 | abrotman | amcsi: and what was the error ? |
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| 18:04.19 | marsje | hi guys/girls |
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| 18:04.38 | marsje | seems like something (probably me) broke my exim4/greylist configuration |
| 18:04.47 | marsje | all my mail seems to get rejected |
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| 18:05.09 | marsje | it's just that it's supposed to be temporarily and now it seems like eternally |
| 18:05.26 | marsje | how can I test what's wrong? |
| 18:05.43 | marsje | I can send/receive mail from my gmail (but that is whitelisted) |
| 18:05.59 | marsje | exim and greylist seem to be running |
| 18:06.02 | cantido | marsje: use the tests the exim has |
| 18:06.13 | ranix | you don't apt-get install alsa alsa-utils, anymore? You m-a- a-i alsa? |
| 18:06.41 | marsje | cantido: can you give me hints on which test to use, because I don't really understand all of these tests |
| 18:06.45 | ranix | or is alsa handled by udev now? |
| 18:06.50 | ranix | I am very confused |
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| 18:07.04 | g00se | marsje: aren't you using greylistd? |
| 18:07.12 | cantido | ranix: there isn't an alsa package iirc, it's called alsa-base |
| 18:07.23 | ranix | cantido: alsa is a metapackage that loads alsa-base |
| 18:07.37 | CreatixEA | Hi when listing files (ls command), what does the S represent ? i.e. srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Aug 3 19:54 zarafa |
| 18:08.03 | cantido | ranix: there you go then, alsa is in the kernel, you can still replace those modules via m-a though |
| 18:08.19 | ranix | hm |
| 18:09.21 | marsje | g00se: I am... but it suddenly started working too well |
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| 18:09.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confuse ranix |
| 18:09.31 | dpkg | No, how was your gouda yesterday, ranix? Shirts of the Democracy of Belarus with extra herring. |
| 18:09.47 | marsje | g00se: it seems like I did something to upset greylistd |
| 18:09.59 | g00se | marsje: Why not take it down until its config is fixed? |
| 18:10.05 | cantido | blames skynet |
| 18:10.14 | ranix | marsje: you can purge greylistd and start from scratch |
| 18:10.22 | ranix | marsje: the greylistd isn't terribly hard to configure |
| 18:10.28 | ranix | what did you do to bone it? |
| 18:10.36 | cantido | marsje: what is exim actually saying in the main log |
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| 18:10.56 | kamaln | i am new to packaging...am facing some error when I do "debuild -us -uc"...what could be the problem..following is the error I am getting..it seems that there is some unmet dependency. Is there some way to find that out? |
| 18:10.59 | kamaln | http://paste.ubuntu.com/246520/ |
| 18:11.10 | cantido | marsje: you can do lots of tests with exim, you can google those |
| 18:11.24 | amcsi | how do I know what GUI manager I'm using? I'm pretty sure I installed KDE over GNOME and made it default, but other than a bunch of new apps, a different background, and a different looking login screen, everyhing looks the same |
| 18:11.54 | marsje | g00se: as in sudo invoke-rc.d greylist stop ? |
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| 18:12.17 | cantido | kamaln: you have build deps that you haven't got installed |
| 18:12.22 | marsje | ranix: I could, but it still worked yesterday.... so it must be something I did.... |
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| 18:12.36 | ranix | marsje: you'll need to actually disable the greylist in exim4.conf |
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| 18:12.37 | abarbu | Anyone have a clue how to rebuild a RAID 5 with 2 failed disks? (out of 3, they're not actually bad, seems there are controller issues) |
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| 18:13.07 | ranix | abarbu: 2/3 failure is not recoverable with RAID5 |
| 18:13.15 | stew | abarbu: if you lose 2 disks from RAID5, you lose, and start over |
| 18:13.24 | perlmonkey2 | In my logs I see that root su'd to nobody 'su[12415]: + ??? root:nobody' then 3 seconds later logged out. How can I figure out why this happened? |
| 18:13.28 | ranix | abarbu: you'll need to fix the controller then re-configure that array |
| 18:13.30 | cantido | you need as much parity as you need to rebuild :/ |
| 18:13.42 | stew | perlmonkey2: look for cronjobs scheduled for around that time |
| 18:13.45 | marsje | cantido: cantido: I see things like this: 2009-08-03 19:53:05 H=bat.berlios.de (mail.berlios.de) [195.37.77.135] F=<linux-uvc-devel-bounces@lists.berlios.de> temporarily rejected RCPT <xxxxxxx@datkan.net> |
| 18:13.50 | abarbu | ranix: Right, but the data is still there |
| 18:13.52 | perlmonkey2 | stew: okay, thanks |
| 18:14.02 | ranix | abarbu: did you already repair the controller? |
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| 18:14.08 | marsje | cantido: but this is normal... but at the 3rd attempt the mail should be allowed |
| 18:14.09 | ranix | so all 3 drives are online? |
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| 18:14.14 | abarbu | ranix: Yup |
| 18:14.37 | stew | perlmonkey2: that is root dropping privileges to nobody. probably some script in /etc/cron.* or /etc/crontab that would be run as root which is dropping to nobody to be safer |
| 18:14.49 | EugenMayer | i have deleted a specific director ( ext3 ). How dif. is it to recover it? |
| 18:14.54 | ranix | abarbu: are they still in the same order that they were? i.e., same drive is sda, sdb, sdc? |
| 18:14.55 | abarbu | ranix: They're all online, 2 are marked as failed and one is active |
| 18:15.01 | abarbu | ranix: Yup |
| 18:15.13 | cantido | marsje: I don't use the greylistd stuff.. but is it's daemon running? basically stuff like that |
| 18:15.25 | ranix | abarbu: try just bringing the array down with mdadm, then bring it up again |
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| 18:15.45 | abarbu | ranix: We've tried that, but one comes up as active and two as failed (well, spares) |
| 18:15.49 | Traveler0 | What do I do if I forgot the password for my private key, is there a way to fix |
| 18:16.03 | valdyn | Traveler0: haha |
| 18:16.03 | ranix | abarbu: spare is different than fail |
| 18:16.10 | abarbu | ranix: --assemble notes it only has one active drive and 2 spares so it can't rebuild the array |
| 18:16.21 | cantido | Traveler0: if there was there would be no meaning in making the key in the first place ;) |
| 18:16.23 | perlmonkey2 | stew: it happened at 7.35 but weekly started at 6:47. And it has to be weekly because I don't see it in any other logs. Either weekly or monthy which starts at 6:52. |
| 18:16.30 | marsje | cantido: yes, it's running... it's causing the log entry. it is supposed to block an email message, but accept it later... but it doesn't seem to do that |
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| 18:16.32 | ranix | you'll have to activate the drives in order, I've never done this but someone should be able to help |
| 18:16.42 | marsje | cantido: I was hoping someone had experience with greylistd |
| 18:16.46 | ranix | man mdadm should cover it |
| 18:16.54 | valdyn | Traveler0: you can bruteforce the key, ask an expert |
| 18:17.02 | ranix | you may have to disassemble the array then rebuild it |
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| 18:17.28 | ranix | by removing that line for /etc/md/mdadm.conf, bringing it down, and rebuilding fresh |
| 18:17.36 | ranix | I had to recently do this with a raid 0 |
| 18:17.53 | valdyn | ranix: are you forgetting --zero-superblock? |
| 18:18.10 | cantido | marsje: you might be able to run it in non-forking mode with debug output turned on, basic problem solving type stuff |
| 18:18.12 | ranix | I do not know anything about --zero-superblock |
| 18:18.17 | valdyn | dangerous not to |
| 18:18.50 | perlmonkey2 | where does cron log to by default? |
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| 18:18.58 | valdyn | perlmonkey2: not |
| 18:19.02 | valdyn | perlmonkey2: it sends emails |
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| 18:19.03 | cantido | perlmonkey2: it sends an email |
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| 18:19.07 | perlmonkey2 | okay, thanks |
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| 18:20.02 | perlmonkey2 | crap, 'mutt' as root didn't import root's mail. How else do i read it? |
| 18:20.02 | valdyn | ranix: nvm, its not useful for this anyway |
| 18:20.27 | ranix | valdyn: I will read up on it regardless, I find my knowledge of md is lacking |
| 18:20.28 | ranix | ;) |
| 18:20.30 | cantido | perlmonkey2: mutt -f /var/mail/root :/ |
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| 18:20.59 | UbuntuNISMO | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.06 | ranix | when I learned what I know, I did not know enough of how block storage devices work to understand it all |
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| 18:21.12 | perlmonkey2 | cantido: there is no root there :( |
| 18:21.27 | cantido | perlmonkey2: you should actually have an alias for root mail |
| 18:21.35 | cantido | perlmonkey2: it's usually the user you setup at install |
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| 18:22.35 | perlmonkey2 | cantido: hmm, the user doesn't have any mail in that file. |
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| 18:23.08 | cantido | perlmonkey2: maybe you have exim setup to deliver to a maildir in $home |
| 18:23.30 | perlmonkey2 | cantido: this is a compeletly defaut setup. I havne't changed anything |
| 18:24.06 | cantido | perlmonkey2: are you sure your cronjobs are generating output? |
| 18:24.08 | themill | perlmonkey2: debian doesn't normally deliver mail to root at all. check /etc/aliases |
| 18:24.26 | cantido | perlmonkey2: cron only sends a mail if something comes out of one of the jobs |
| 18:24.54 | perlmonkey2 | cantido: should be as I havne't messed with anything in cron. |
| 18:25.14 | perlmonkey2 | I've done a straight default install, changed zero settings. |
| 18:25.30 | cantido | perlmonkey2: yes, but if the job doesn't output anything to stdout or stderr cron doesn't send a mail |
| 18:25.37 | perlmonkey2 | Just wondered why in my auth.log su magically logged in from nowhere and changed to nobody. |
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| 18:26.00 | perlmonkey2 | cantido: but *one* of the cron jobs should have? daily, weekly, monthly have all ran now. Yet I have nothing. |
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| 18:26.09 | kamaln | what could be the error here? |
| 18:26.11 | kamaln | http://paste.ubuntu.com/246540/ |
| 18:26.19 | kamaln | here is my control file: |
| 18:26.27 | cantido | perlmonkey2: cron does stick some stuff in syslog IIRC |
| 18:26.40 | Titan8990 | kamaln, lol pkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: boost-devel (>= 1.34.0) fltk-devel (>= 1.1.0) fltk-fluid libjpeg-devel (>= 6) libtiff-devel (>= 3.7.1) libxslt libopenexr-dev (>= 1.6.1) zlib-devel (>= 1.1.4) |
| 18:26.40 | perlmonkey2 | cantido: okay, I'll check there. Thanks. |
| 18:26.58 | kamaln | http://paste.ubuntu.com/246543/ |
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| 18:27.44 | binrapt | I deleted /etc/apache2 once because I had copied wrong configuration files to it from a backup. apt-get install apache2 curiously does not restore any default configuration - why is this? |
| 18:27.50 | kamaln | Titan8990: I am new to packaging..am learning..:-) |
| 18:27.58 | binrapt | I already ran apt-get remove apache2 hm |
| 18:28.07 | Titan8990 | kamaln, your obviously new at debian package management period |
| 18:28.16 | cantido | kamaln: you have unmet build deps, if your control says x,y,z are needed to build your package it's not going to try if they aren't installed |
| 18:28.17 | UbuntuNISMO | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.47 | themill | kamaln: did you see my previous message? |
| 18:28.52 | cantido | is there a confmiss factoid? |
| 18:29.00 | Titan8990 | UbuntuNISMO, i already sent you a perfect tutorial 45min ago, and you give absolutly no information about what your having problems with |
| 18:29.03 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 18:29.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:29.22 | stew | cantido: yes, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 18:29.35 | cantido | binrapt: ^^^ |
| 18:29.39 | binrapt | Thanks |
| 18:30.00 | stew | binrapt: note that the config files for apache2 are actually owned by the apache2.2-common package not the apache2 package |
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| 18:30.08 | binrapt | Oh |
| 18:30.19 | binrapt | I wonder where they came from in the first place then |
| 18:30.25 | cantido | someone had this same exact issue yesterday |
| 18:30.34 | binrapt | Because I had only used apache2 |
| 18:30.36 | binrapt | Auto dependency? |
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| 18:30.56 | cantido | binrapt: the apache2 metapackage pulls in all the bits you need for a working server |
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| 18:31.02 | binrapt | Right |
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| 18:31.30 | stew | binrapt: i tell you becuase you'll need to reinstall the apache2.2-common package with confmiss, not the apache2 package |
| 18:32.32 | binrapt | Yeah I just noticed :P thanks |
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| 18:32.37 | kamaln | themill: this was your message: |
| 18:32.38 | kamaln | kamaln: there's no "OpenEXR-devel" in debian. Devel package are usually named -dev and package names *must* be lowercase. You might want to read through the nmg and policy again. /msg dpkg policy ; /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 18:33.08 | dec3pti0n | has anyone here used an HP MSA500 das ? |
| 18:33.09 | kamaln | now i dont have any package dependency names in upper case |
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| 18:34.59 | kamaln | is there a way to find out what are the unmet dependencies? |
| 18:35.21 | kamaln | i mean which dependecies havnt been met? |
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| 18:38.23 | themill | kamaln: in debian, devel packages are normally named -dev not -devel. *All* the packages listed in the output could not be found. Don't guess at package names, look them up. Packaging isn't about guessing until it works, it's about knowing the correct answer. |
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| 18:39.24 | binrapt | I believe I am still missing module files which prevent Apache 2 from even parsing its normal configuration - I suppose this requires further missing conf apt commands? Hm |
| 18:39.51 | binrapt | egrep: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load: No such file or directory; Starting web server: apache2Syntax error on line 143 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf:; Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration: failed! |
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| 18:40.00 | binrapt | Those aren't in apache2.2-common I suppose? |
| 18:40.32 | cantido | binrapt: those come from libapache2-something packages |
| 18:40.34 | kamaln | themill: thanks for your guidance..I will just lookup the correct package names and make the appropriate changes |
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| 18:41.55 | asterisc | Hi there! I have a problem with my 64 bit sid. I keep getting this: http://pastebin.com/m70a13e09 |
| 18:42.03 | asterisc | and it freezes very often |
| 18:42.09 | asterisc | anybody here willing to help? |
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| 18:43.31 | kamaln | thmill: for e..g.: I searche for libjpeg at the debian packages portal, but the one that is available is "libjpeg62-dev" |
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| 18:44.04 | kamaln | what should i specify in my control file" libjpeg-dev or libjpeg62-dev? |
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| 18:44.18 | adama_ | asterisc: try re-seating your hardware |
| 18:44.43 | asterisc | adama_: which hardware? and what do you mean by re-seating? |
| 18:44.56 | renton_ | looks like icedove can't import Outlook Express on linux.. the only way seems to be instlaling Thunderbird on Windows.. and import from there |
| 18:44.59 | renton_ | but i've not windows. |
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| 18:45.28 | \amethyst | kamaln: if you use anything specific to the version 62 API you should depend on libjpeg62-dev |
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| 18:45.42 | maligor | renton_, thunderbird in wine maybe? |
| 18:46.00 | \amethyst | kamaln: otherwise you should depend on libjpeg62-dev | libjpeg-dev |
| 18:46.01 | renton_ | mmm good idea |
| 18:46.05 | renton_ | thank maligor |
| 18:46.20 | kamaln | \amethyst: otherwiselibjpeg-dev is fine..right..? |
| 18:46.25 | adama_ | asterisc: shutdown, open your computer, remove all the PCI cards, clean up in there if it's dusty, and re-install the cards, making sure they're "seated" properly |
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| 18:46.45 | nelhage | Does anyone know if 'aptitude download' verifies checksums on the .deb's it downloads? |
| 18:46.56 | Lns | asterisc: you using atheros wifi? |
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| 18:47.04 | renton_ | though i don't understand why they didn't add import from outlook express on linux edition |
| 18:47.07 | asterisc | adama_: I use a Dell Inspiron 6400, laptop... I'll try to clean it as much as I can |
| 18:47.17 | adama_ | asterisc: you may also leave out any cards you are not using |
| 18:47.21 | adama_ | hmmm |
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| 18:48.10 | asterisc | Lns: I use some Wifi, but I believe it's not atheros. It's b43 |
| 18:48.12 | adama_ | asterisc: you may take that apart and clean/re-seat things too, if you feel up to it |
| 18:48.15 | \amethyst | kamaln: no, you should probably specify libjpeg62-dev | libjpeg-dev so that another version will satisfy it, but the standard Debian version will be installed as the first preference |
| 18:48.21 | bluethundr_ | need to install libgmp3 to install zimbra |
| 18:48.27 | Lns | asterisc: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=463425 - dunno if that's related |
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| 18:50.05 | asterisc | Lns: is it possible to freeze because of that? Sometimes it happens to freeze every 5 minutes |
| 18:50.23 | adama_ | asterisc: might it be overheating? |
| 18:50.29 | kamaln | \amthyst : thanks..but in the brackets I have specified the lowest eligible version..wont that suffice? |
| 18:50.37 | asterisc | adama_: On the exacly the same laptop, I had gentoo, kubuntu, and I believe 32bit sid too, without any problems! |
| 18:50.59 | kamaln | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7), bison (>= 1.35.0), boost-dev (>= 1.34.0), cmake (>= 2.6.2), flex (>= 2.5.35), fltk-dev (>= 1.1.0), fltk-fluid, libjpeg-dev (>= 6), libtiff-dev (>= 3.7.1), libxslt, libopenexr-dev (>= 1.6.1), zlib-dev (>= 1.1.4) |
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| 18:51.07 | asterisc | adama_: overheating might be a problem though |
| 18:51.19 | hiwk | is there a swedish debian irc channel somewhere? |
| 18:51.27 | adama_ | !se |
| 18:51.27 | dpkg | Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974. |
| 18:51.36 | hiwk | adama_: thanks |
| 18:51.43 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:51.45 | azeem | hiwk: I think it's mostly empty though |
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| 18:52.35 | hiwk | azeem: seems that way, but it is worth a shot. (I'm trying to get a specific identification certificate to work) |
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| 18:52.55 | azeem | hiwk: which can only be done in swedish? |
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| 18:53.51 | kamaln | ok..guys..thanks for your help..I am discoonecting...12.30 AM here..i need to go to bed.. |
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| 18:54.04 | unomi | erm what am i doing wrong with sftp -oi/home/me/.ssh/mykey me@myserver ? |
| 18:54.12 | unomi | its balking at the i opetion |
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| 18:54.23 | bluethundr_ | any help to install libgmp3? |
| 18:54.28 | hiwk | azeem: no, but I think it is a swedish system, I think Telia has its own certificate system |
| 18:55.07 | cmyers_work | unomi: as an alternative, have you looked at `man ssh-copy-id` ? |
| 18:55.29 | unomi | no i have not! |
| 18:55.30 | unomi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:56.12 | unomi | ah yeah, that wont work :) |
| 18:56.21 | cmyers_work | meh, worth a shot =) |
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| 18:56.51 | unomi | definitely |
| 18:57.14 | unomi | well, using ssh, is there an internal command or something to send file 'home' ? |
| 18:57.40 | rozie | scp? |
| 18:58.10 | unomi | ah great |
| 18:58.15 | unomi | thanks |
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| 18:58.27 | ranix | No matter what I do, I am completely unable to get my SiS 7012 onboard audio to play any actual sound. No audio comes from my speakers. I do notice that when running alsaconf, at the very end before it says "Now ALSA is ready to use", it always gives an error: "amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory" |
| 18:58.43 | rozie | unomi: or rsync if > 1 file |
| 18:58.49 | ranix | the driver it wants to use is the intel8x0, any help is appreciated |
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| 19:00.11 | cahoot | ranix: you are member of audio? |
| 19:00.19 | usb_user | So my compiled kernel keeps failing. kernel panic - not syncing :VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0) |
| 19:00.28 | ranix | cahoot: yes, even root gets nothing when doing cat /dev/random >/dev/dsp |
| 19:00.51 | cantido | usb_user: you missed something in your config |
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| 19:01.15 | cahoot | ranix: cat /proc/asound/cards returns empty I suppose? |
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| 19:01.35 | ranix | cahoot: 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012 with AD1888 at irq 18 |
| 19:01.44 | usb_user | cantido, my first attempt I took alot out of it, since that failed I copied the current .config from /boot and didnt change anything, still no go |
| 19:02.01 | cahoot | ranix: speaker-test fails ? |
| 19:02.02 | usb_user | cantido, then I read something about instead of using ext3 as a module, to compile it in - no go |
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| 19:02.15 | cantido | usb_user: you need enough stuff built into your kernel or included in your initramfs to mount root |
| 19:02.25 | ranix | cahoot: it doesn't return wrongly, but sudo speaker-test produces no sound |
| 19:02.55 | cantido | usb_user: the debian .config uses a initramfs for almost everything... so you need to makesure you're generating that |
| 19:03.01 | cahoot | ranix: see if /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 serves any purpose |
| 19:03.02 | usb_user | cantido, I went through this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=36525&hilit=compile+kernel |
| 19:03.32 | usb_user | cantido, it might be because I followed a suggestion of a poster to use make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 19:03.54 | ranix | cahoot: stopping and restarting looks like it does what it should, but no sound regardlesss |
| 19:04.12 | ranix | cahoot: reset likewise has no effect |
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| 19:05.17 | cahoot | ranix: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* doesn't show anything occupying the device? |
| 19:05.18 | lykaios | hello |
| 19:05.26 | nelhage | The answer appears to be yes, 'aptitude download' does check hashes. |
| 19:05.32 | ranix | cahoot: no outpur from that |
| 19:05.36 | ranix | output^ |
| 19:05.41 | lykaios | anyone knows about: eth0: Host error, FIFO diagnostic register 8000. |
| 19:05.50 | lykaios | eth0: PCI bus error, bus status800000a0 |
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| 19:07.12 | ranix | cahoot: I am coming to the conclusion that support for this card is broken in current alsa |
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| 19:07.24 | ranix | cahoot: it's like everything works great except there's no sound |
| 19:07.42 | cahoot | ranix: only idea I've left is running speaker-test in one terminal and alsamixer in another and attempt a systematic series of changes |
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| 19:10.00 | ranix | cahoot: I just toggled, muted, unmuted everything with soundtest running and no dice |
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| 19:10.32 | cahoot | ranix: right - sorry - out of ideas |
| 19:11.19 | ranix | thanks anyhoo |
| 19:11.22 | cantido | ranix: make sure you turn on all the weird useless named outputs in your mixer ;) |
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| 19:12.50 | ranix | I'll just pilfer a f'n sound card |
| 19:13.11 | ranix | I must have an old SB at home in a box somewhere |
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| 19:18.30 | ranix | AHA |
| 19:18.39 | ranix | cantido: thanks for the help! I just took a knife to the |
| 19:18.42 | ranix | FP headers |
| 19:18.55 | ranix | apparently unless they're bridged with a jumper, no sound reaches the rear connectors |
| 19:19.00 | ranix | ffff |
| 19:19.19 | ranix | my sound was working all along, pumping along to nowhere |
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| 19:21.05 | cantido | I meant the settings in alsamixer.. but score! |
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| 19:30.09 | Traveller00q | hi all, if i installed Debian Lenny via CDROM, is there a default chat client installed? can't see my desktop as X won't start and my sources.list is munged |
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| 19:31.06 | cahoot | but you have a working console? |
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| 19:31.23 | Traveller00q | i do |
| 19:31.25 | cahoot | see if irssi is installed |
| 19:31.29 | Traveller00q | is not |
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| 19:31.44 | Traveller00q | ran through all the irc clients i could think of |
| 19:31.48 | cahoot | edit you sources then? |
| 19:32.01 | cahoot | s/you/your/ |
| 19:32.13 | Traveller00q | hmm, tried that and it gets hung up on security, after i run apt-get update |
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| 19:32.22 | asg | Traveller00q: there is an example sources.list in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples |
| 19:32.35 | Traveller00q | asg: oh! cheers |
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| 19:33.34 | Traveller00q | should i enable sources? |
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| 19:34.07 | asg | Traveller00q: the deb-src lines? Won't hurt |
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| 19:34.28 | Traveller00q | asg: thanks |
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| 19:36.47 | ranix | ah well, it was working |
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| 19:36.48 | ranix | now it's not again |
| 19:36.50 | ranix | :( |
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| 19:41.03 | luke3321 | Any suggestions for software to set up my own autobuilder? |
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| 19:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | what type of question is that |
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| 19:43.45 | abrotman | one that he's had answered a few times in the last week or so IIRC |
| 19:43.55 | BoltPwer66 | I have a two part question, Does debian default installation, install a tool simular to "chkconfig"? And if not, why doesn't debain install "chkconfig" by default? |
| 19:44.06 | azeem | BoltPwer66: I have a question |
| 19:44.09 | azeem | what is chkconfig? |
| 19:44.30 | asg | BoltPwer66: it's called update-rc.d though many prefer rcconf (not installed by default) |
| 19:44.47 | BoltPwer66 | azeem: a tool that manage systemV scpirts. |
| 19:45.30 | BoltPwer66 | asg: what tool do you use? |
| 19:45.59 | asg | BoltPwer66: update-rc.d myself; rcconf is friendlier and similar to chkconfig |
| 19:46.08 | Traveller00q | is there an online way to test if i can actually get out from my work WAN to verify if my sources.list will work? have modded sources.list 2 times and getting time outs, but can connect to the WWW, i think |
| 19:46.20 | luke3321 | abrotman: I've had that question answered? |
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| 19:46.50 | BoltPwer66 | asg: but as you say not install by default? |
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| 19:47.18 | asg | Traveller00q: use nc(1) to try to connect to port 80 at one of debian.org sites listed in sources.list |
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| 19:47.23 | hesco | I have a IDE/SATA to usb adapter with which I'm attempting to mount a hard drive. lsusb says: 'Bus 002 Device 003: ID 152d:2338 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp. JM20337 Hi-Speed USB to SATA & PATA Combo Bridge', but ls /dev/sd* reveals only /dev/sda, and no specific numbered partitions. (I'm expecting to see six or seven partitions). What am I missing here in order to access this drive, please? |
| 19:47.35 | asg | BoltPwer66: no, rcconf isn't installed by default. |
| 19:47.53 | BoltPwer66 | has anyone installed chkconfig on debian with out problems? |
| 19:48.06 | Traveller00q | asg: sorry do not understand nc(1) |
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| 19:49.05 | BoltPwer66 | hesco: what does dmesg tell you? |
| 19:49.10 | asg | Traveller00q: echo 'GET /\n\n' | nc security.debian.org 80 |
| 19:49.28 | Traveller00q | k thanks... |
| 19:50.09 | BoltPwer66 | hesco: btw, why do you have the nick of hesco? |
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| 19:50.41 | asg | Traveller00q: it should return an apache error message. If not, there is something preventing you from going out on port 80 or there is a DNS issue. |
| 19:50.45 | hesco | BoltPwer66: http://paste.debian.net/43272/ |
| 19:51.02 | Traveller00q | asg: got a 404 not found at that server, so it connected and requested ok |
| 19:51.42 | asg | Traveller00q: then your update should work fine. I don't suppose you can pastebin the errors you get (may have to try to write them manually) |
| 19:51.56 | hesco | I think those last couple of lines relate to my attempts to mount the device |
| 19:52.29 | Traveller00q | asg: will do manually, bbs |
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| 19:54.17 | BoltPwer66 | hesco: you only have IDE drives internal? |
| 19:54.27 | hesco | yes |
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| 19:54.54 | hesco | I was guessing about the fs type on the -t switch of my mount commands |
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| 19:55.02 | BoltPwer66 | what does ls /dev/sd* show you? |
| 19:55.19 | hesco | only /dev/sda |
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| 19:56.44 | BoltPwer66 | hesco: power down the device unplug then plug again, and see if device scan shows anything more? |
| 19:57.02 | BoltPwer66 | hesco: what are the partition types on the drive? |
| 19:57.33 | hesco | there is a swap and either reiserfs or ext3, can't remember which |
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| 19:59.01 | BoltPwer66 | exit |
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| 20:00.51 | Traveller00q | asg: http://paste.debian.net/43274/ |
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| 20:01.58 | BoltPwer56 | hesco: You know something, my ata to usb adapter is not USB to ATA/ATAPI Bridge |
| 20:01.58 | BoltPwer56 | USB to ATA/ATAPI Bridge |
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| 20:02.37 | BoltPwer56 | hesco: sorry, its not compatible with linux |
| 20:02.49 | hesco | BoltPwer56: welcome back. |
| 20:02.59 | hesco | is it my model? |
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| 20:03.25 | asg | Traveller00q: try using ftp.debian.org instead of ftp.nz.debian.org. Also, comment out the backports line and indexdata line. |
| 20:03.40 | BoltPwer56 | hesco: i don't know the model but it does have a Micron controller interface. |
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| 20:03.55 | asg | Traveller00q: both the deb and deb-src lines for the last one |
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| 20:04.21 | hesco | I repatched the usb<->SATA/IDE into my notebook, to see if lenny would auto-recognize it on bootup, w/o having to take my desktop down. |
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| 20:05.05 | hesco | I borrowed this device from a mac/linux user |
| 20:05.10 | BoltPwer56 | hesco: did it work? |
| 20:05.17 | hesco | can't imagine he'd have something incompatible. |
| 20:05.20 | luceroz | on my debian system, using console framebuffer (vga=xxx in kernel line), if I am playing music and I trigger a GNU screen error blanking, the audio skips. could someone help me understand this phenomenon? thanks. |
| 20:05.41 | hesco | he says he's used it often, but did not mention the details and circumstances |
| 20:05.50 | asg | luceroz: turn audio bell off |
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| 20:06.09 | BoltPwer56 | ya i know. It looks like usb-storage mod support mircon usb controller |
| 20:06.10 | hesco | hey! my desktop is littered now with new gui links to what appears to be my old partitions !!! |
| 20:06.22 | Traveller00q | asg: modded sources.list, running apt-get update, is at 0% [Connecting to ftp.debian.org] ... is hanging |
| 20:06.29 | sepisultrum | Hi. I'currently resizing an ext3 partition using parted from 80GB to 50GB, is it normal that this operation takes a lot of time? the process is running for an hour at least allready. |
| 20:06.36 | luceroz | asg: gotcha, but shouldn't these audio collisions go through alsa, and not interfere with eachother? |
| 20:06.40 | hesco | thanks for your encouragement and direction ! |
| 20:07.03 | BoltPwer56 | hesco: why the nick of hesco? |
| 20:07.14 | asg | luceroz: they should but it's worth seeing if that's the problem. |
| 20:07.22 | hesco | lenny automounted every partition on the disk on bootup |
| 20:07.37 | luceroz | asg: noted, thanks, will try after work |
| 20:07.50 | asg | Traveller00q: give it some time to see if it works. |
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| 20:08.46 | Traveller00q | asg: it failed, also trying a direct wget of the irssi.tar.gz as a test... it has failed also |
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| 20:09.27 | Traveller00q | maybe our work isp blocks ftp/http requests for file downloads |
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| 20:10.04 | asg | Traveller00q: possible but the previous nc(1) test should have confirmed you can get there ... unless they are using a broken transparent inline proxy |
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| 20:10.36 | Traveller00q | k, might run 'em up and ask |
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| 20:14.44 | enouf | Traveller00q: you have a default route setup? can you ping things? |
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| 20:15.35 | enouf | nm, asg knows his networking ... you're in good hands |
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| 20:16.14 | marsje | how do I redirect output on stdout and stderr both to one file? |
| 20:16.53 | adama_ | marsje: command > file 2>&1 |
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| 20:17.35 | adama_ | marsje: 2 is STDERR, 2>&1 means "send stderr to stdout" (1 is STDOUT) |
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| 20:18.19 | marsje | adama_: how can you ever remember this... ;-) |
| 20:18.48 | marsje | adama_: someone must have thought of a simpler way |
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| 20:19.36 | cypr1nus | hello, i've got strange dhcp/kvm problem. I've set dhcp subnet 192.168.1.0 and ip range 192.168.1.100-192.168.1.254, but the virtual machine that want to get ip from dhcp server gets ip 192.168.0.2. I have no idea why, anyone can help? |
| 20:19.38 | Traveller00q | enouf: good point, i can ping google.com.au ok |
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| 20:21.53 | enouf | Traveller00q: so DNS is working for atleast that - and how about IPs? i know it should work, if DNS is working, but still |
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| 20:22.14 | enouf | dig sitename.com to obtain IP |
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| 20:23.23 | Traveller00q | enouf: just checked using "ip show route", compared it to a HOWTO, is good, will check DNS etc now |
| 20:23.57 | enouf | cypr1nus: some routers reserve the .100 range for their use as a router on a LAN, with no WAN .. something like that |
| 20:24.08 | enouf | try .200 |
| 20:24.21 | sanmarcos | is there a way to get back a file from a debian package without reinstalling? |
| 20:24.30 | enouf | or even a 10.x.x.x or something else |
| 20:24.36 | sanmarcos | i.e I modified the configuration file /etc/package, is there a way to see the version from the deb? |
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| 20:24.52 | binrapt | Urgh I think I broke something in my Lenny, I added experimental and squeeze to sources.list to install Python 2.6.2, which works fine. After that I ran apt-get install git but it didn't give me any git command (as in, the version control system) so somebody suggested apt-get install git-core, too. This downloaded libc6 and a lot of other things (can paste) and had me restart system services |
| 20:25.07 | cwickert | what is the proper workflow for reporting a secrity sensitive bug in debian? |
| 20:25.14 | cypr1nus | enouf: but as far as I see it gets ip from...virbr0 (virtual bridge)? What's going on? |
| 20:25.21 | binrapt | such as rsync, etc. I was curious if it would work so I just gave it a try. The installation worked out fine, but when I run git now it prints these messages all the time: git: /usr/lib/libidn.so.11: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4) |
| 20:25.34 | enouf | sanmarcos: dpkg -L <pkgname> l dpkg -x and dpkg -c |
| 20:26.23 | binrapt | Does this mean that I have some old Lenny files around which produce conflicts with the new libraries? I suppose this is a result of accidentally installing an experimental/squeeze version which broke something? |
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| 20:26.52 | enouf | cypr1nus: no idea, haven't yet used kvm, old hardware .. but hey! just setup an old MP xeon box ;-) and feeling good., since main one is my p2 :-) |
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| 20:27.02 | binrapt | git-index-pack: /usr/lib/libidn.so.11: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4) |
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| 20:27.43 | binrapt | "apt-get install git-core" pulled: libc6 libc6-dev libcurl3-gnutls libdigest-sha1-perl liberror-perl libgcrypt11 libgnutls26 libgpg-error0 libgssapi-krb5-2 libk5crypto3 libkrb5-3 libkrb5support0 libperl5.10 libtasn1-3 locales perl perl-base perl-modules |
| 20:28.05 | enouf | you're no longer running Stable/Lenny - congrats |
| 20:28.14 | enouf | you broke it ... horribly |
| 20:28.23 | cantido | binrapt: just upgrade to testing.. its too late to go back |
| 20:28.34 | enouf | you should;ve made/used backports |
| 20:28.56 | binrapt | :(( |
| 20:28.58 | keith4 | what does it mean for a directory to be (world) r-t? |
| 20:29.09 | binrapt | Nice going |
| 20:29.12 | enouf | "Urgh I think I broke something in my Lenny, I added experimental and squeeze to sources.list" |
| 20:29.17 | enouf | says it all ... heh |
| 20:29.32 | binrapt | enouf it worked fine for Python 2.6.2 only :(( |
| 20:29.39 | binrapt | I suppose I should have removed them after that? |
| 20:29.54 | binrapt | Remote dist upgrade, yay |
| 20:29.55 | enouf | binrapt: close, but you next time /msg dpkg bpo and /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:30.10 | enouf | s/you// |
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| 20:30.34 | binrapt | Ah ok thanks |
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| 20:31.27 | binrapt | Hm I can only find tutorials on how to upgrade from Etch to Lenny - how do you go from Lenny to Testing? |
| 20:31.28 | cantido | binrapt: you did it on a remote box? opps++? |
| 20:31.48 | binrapt | ;D |
| 20:31.50 | binrapt | Lots of fun |
| 20:31.59 | cantido | change your sources, do an update and dist-upgrade, fix broken stuff |
| 20:32.32 | binrapt | Chances are ssh will break? Heh |
| 20:33.01 | cantido | ssh should be restarted when certain things are upgraded, debconf will ask you though |
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| 20:34.30 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:35.54 | cantido | binrapt: running dist-upgrade inside screen is also a good idea, just incase you get disconnected or something |
| 20:35.59 | binrapt | Hmm what's the testing path for debian.org? |
| 20:36.03 | binrapt | True |
| 20:36.29 | binrapt | I currently only have the local deb source and the http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free ones |
| 20:36.53 | Traveller00q | enouf: ran through the netstat, route, traceroute, ifconfig, resolv.conf ... all seems good, i can ping most server names, google/debian etc |
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| 20:37.10 | binrapt | security.debian.org is a source for stable packages I presume |
| 20:37.20 | cantido | binrapt: mmm you could probaby downgrade the few packages you upgraded to testing |
| 20:37.28 | binrapt | Yeah |
| 20:37.35 | binrapt | I still have all the info in the shell |
| 20:37.39 | binrapt | Might be a good exercise |
| 20:37.51 | enouf | Traveller00q: well .. heh, i missed your *original* issue .. which also is why i conceded |
| 20:38.22 | enouf | binrapt: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 20:38.26 | binrapt | Do you think a full dist upgrade to testing would be a catastrophy? |
| 20:38.27 | Traveller00q | can even ping ftp.nz.debian.org ... just can't seem to connect, rang ISP, they filter nothing, sigh! |
| 20:38.38 | binrapt | *e |
| 20:39.09 | binrapt | enouf is squeeze the same as testing? |
| 20:39.09 | enouf | binrapt: get any/all unstable and experimental pkgs back down to ttesting, then /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 20:39.15 | Traveller00q | quack... |
| 20:39.22 | enouf | !squeeze |
| 20:39.23 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 Will be known as Debian 6.0. |
| 20:39.28 | binrapt | Ah |
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| 20:39.58 | enouf | Traveller00q: what do you mean 'connect', try other browsers, or fix broken proxies |
| 20:40.27 | enouf | Traveller00q: 'route' shows a default gateway? and arp shows your NIC? |
| 20:40.56 | Traveller00q | using CLI from a dead X system with a munged sources.list that cannot connect to repos ... snicker |
| 20:41.40 | cantido | Traveller00q: ping, route, traceroute.. all the tools are there |
| 20:41.40 | enouf | binrapt: might try apt-show-versions ; and perhaps /msg dpkg list repos ; and maybe aptitiude can show you (i use apt-get exclusively) and i know grep-dvtrl/dctrl-tools can |
| 20:41.48 | enouf | er grep-dctrl* |
| 20:42.19 | enouf | Traveller00q: is there a $http_proxy variable set? man apt.conf |
| 20:42.30 | enouf | see /etc/apt/apt.*/* |
| 20:43.01 | enouf | Traveller00q: oh - you're on a non-Debian system? strace the command |
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| 20:43.28 | enouf | the gpg keys will mess you - it knows your node=name :-p i ran into that - heh |
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| 20:43.35 | Traveller00q | enouf: i am on a debian lenny blind system using cli but talking with you using a MACOSX |
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| 20:43.58 | cantido | Traveller00q: plenty of people use debian without X |
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| 20:44.08 | enouf | Traveller00q: more detailed info need then, .. atleast for me |
| 20:44.20 | enouf | i need exact error messages and command that were run |
| 20:44.29 | smoofra` | hey #debian, i'm trying to install a .rpm with alien but some of the flienames conflict. is there any way to make it skip conflicting files? |
| 20:44.52 | Traveller00q | cantido: good point but i want to use it with xfce as my desktop |
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| 20:45.14 | cantido | so read you xorg log, or tell us whats wrong with it |
| 20:46.28 | cantido | typing "oh noes cli cli cli" doesn't solve diddle |
| 20:46.28 | Traveller00q | cantido: the install did not configure my BenQ 19" LCD, is a very small xorg.conf, runs my old 19" CRT fine but not the LCD |
| 20:46.42 | binrapt | Ok upgrading to squeeze |
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| 20:46.47 | binrapt | In a screen session! |
| 20:46.58 | Traveller00q | cantido: no saying anything wrong with CLI at all just want a desktop, then to be able to install some non-standard scientific apps |
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| 20:47.07 | binrapt | As you previously suggested. I bet this will be a disaster. I'll probably end up wiping this box to go with lenny again. |
| 20:47.21 | cantido | Traveller00q: ok, so in modern versions of xorg there's generally now reason to configure monitor settings.. they are detected at runtime.. what does your xorg log say with regard to the monitor |
| 20:47.41 | cantido | Traveller00q: s/now/no/ |
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| 20:48.24 | Traveller00q | cantido: and the xorg/log is where? /var/run? |
| 20:48.31 | pickcoder | Xorg has a fun time with my KVM |
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| 20:48.34 | cantido | crazy enough /var/log |
| 20:48.46 | Traveller00q | haha k |
| 20:49.03 | cantido | pickcoder: yeah, I can see that being a problem :/ |
| 20:49.18 | cantido | pickcoder: you can redetect connected monitors with xrandr though I though |
| 20:49.46 | pickcoder | I just ctrl-alt-backspace to kill/restart the desktop deamon |
| 20:49.58 | pickcoder | it's normally only a problem when I reboot a bunch of machines |
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| 20:50.46 | cantido | you'd think the kvm would have a microcontroller to proxy the requests for monitor info |
| 20:51.09 | enouf | wait, KVM? or kvm? |
| 20:51.15 | pickcoder | I didn't go for bling when I bought it |
| 20:51.23 | enouf | oh, hardware kvm |
| 20:51.31 | enouf | !kvm |
| 20:51.31 | dpkg | kvm is probably kernel virtual memory, or keyboard/video/mouse. Kernel-based Virtual Machine, see http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions. Also alsk me about <literal xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 20:51.32 | pickcoder | enouf: yeah |
| 20:51.52 | enouf | nice acronym choice eh? heh |
| 20:51.53 | pickcoder | kvm switch more specifically |
| 20:52.00 | enouf | bingo |
| 20:52.25 | cantido | it's one of the boxes of wires connected to a massive switch types? |
| 20:52.59 | pickcoder | yeah it has a rotary selector and a big red shiny button |
| 20:53.28 | cantido | red and shiny? you said you didn't go for bling! |
| 20:53.47 | pickcoder | oh yeah.. |
| 20:54.14 | pickcoder | I think it's(they) an Aten |
| 20:54.18 | pickcoder | stackable |
| 20:54.25 | Traveller00q | cantido: Xorg.0.log is ful of stuff that means little to me, should i zero out the file, try to restart X and go from there? |
| 20:54.56 | cantido | Traveller00q: just a moment.. when you connect your CRT it works right? when you connect the LCD what do you get? out of range or something like that? |
| 20:55.25 | enouf | yeah - and if anything, you might need a "Driver" line and Vert and Hor Monitor refresh rate ranges |
| 20:55.26 | pickcoder | ugh I hate that error |
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| 20:56.02 | enouf | 'out of range' is always Vert/Hor refresh rate ranges - could try IgnoreEDID too |
| 20:56.33 | cantido | I just turn my one of my samsung panels off and back on again and it goes away :/ |
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| 20:57.02 | enouf | man xorg.con ; man <your driver> ; grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:57.03 | pickcoder | is never buying Samsung again |
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| 20:57.18 | pickcoder | I've sent 4 back for various malfunctions |
| 20:57.20 | enouf | er man xorg.conf* |
| 20:57.36 | Traveller00q | cantido: yes exactly BlackSOD with out of range, yet CRT works fine |
| 20:57.48 | pickcoder | bad logic board, voltage board, touch switches |
| 20:57.57 | cantido | Traveller00q: ok, so now we know what's actually wrong |
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| 20:58.09 | enouf | your CRT ranges are certainly not likely to be compatible with your LCD |
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| 20:58.34 | enouf | also man cvt and man xrandr |
| 20:58.52 | Traveller00q | well i checked, there are NO listed ranges in the xorg.conf at all, it is the smallest xorg.conf i have ever seen |
| 20:59.01 | cantido | mmm I've got two really cheap samsungs, they work fine.. other than not syncing sometimes |
| 20:59.06 | enouf | if you're using a 3D proprietary crap, get rid of it |
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| 20:59.31 | cantido | Traveller00q: you can see what info Xorg gets from the panel during probing in the xorg log |
| 20:59.37 | pickcoder | rthe 940 series have been horrible |
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| 20:59.55 | cantido | Traveller00q: It might be saying something like "I canne find no info, using random defaults" |
| 21:00.10 | jaggz | how do I get kmix to run each time X comes up? |
| 21:00.31 | jaggz | I thought it had its own way of doing that |
| 21:00.48 | cantido | jaggz: when you exit it, it will ask you if you want it to start when kde starts |
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| 21:01.08 | Traveller00q | cantido: i get that, but where will the error report be, beginning of the next logging sequence? looking through Xorg.0.log now... |
| 21:01.08 | enouf | jaggz: it does, see it settings, and kde control center |
| 21:01.11 | cantido | jaggz: you could also stick it in your .xsession, but it's probably best for kde to control it |
| 21:01.28 | jaggz | I don't recall ever closing it.. but I'll check out settings |
| 21:01.35 | cantido | Traveller00q: Xorg.0.log is the output of the latest session |
| 21:01.39 | enouf | jaggz: maybe you inadvertantly hid it's menu? |
| 21:01.47 | enouf | it has a Settings item |
| 21:01.48 | Traveller00q | can" ah right |
| 21:02.01 | Traveller00q | can: ah right even* |
| 21:02.18 | cantido | is reduced to a drink container |
| 21:02.33 | Traveller00q | cantido: haha sorry |
| 21:02.53 | pickcoder | could be worse... there are other meanings for "can" |
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| 21:03.45 | enouf | no can do? |
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| 21:04.33 | binrapt | Current status: 0 updates [-194]. |
| 21:04.38 | cantido | I do need a drink :/ |
| 21:04.47 | binrapt | dist upgrade is done I suppose? Hm |
| 21:04.55 | binrapt | I haven't lost SSH access yet, I am surprised |
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| 21:05.28 | cantido | binrapt: yeah, now you just need to forget about rebooting for a few months, have it happen by accident and find out it was broken ;) |
| 21:05.29 | jaggz | yeha, nothing about running at start yet.. even when I run it from shell -- nothing in settings nor in the icon's menu, and when I quit it just confirms the quit... |
| 21:05.37 | pickcoder | the ssh 'child' process won't be interrupted |
| 21:05.37 | jaggz | yeha == yeah, not yeehaw :) |
| 21:05.45 | pickcoder | it'll run under the old binary until you logoff and reconnect |
| 21:05.51 | binrapt | cantido ah none of this matters until it reboots? |
| 21:05.53 | LordMetroid | ~development |
| 21:05.54 | apt | methinks development is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20to%20compile%20applications%20and%20develop%20for%20the%20iPAQ |
| 21:05.54 | binrapt | I see |
| 21:06.01 | binrapt | Time to reboot the box then |
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| 21:06.18 | LordMetroid | hmm |
| 21:06.21 | cantido | binrapt: once you are sure it should be bootable you probably want to reboot. libc changes etc |
| 21:06.36 | binrapt | How can I be sure? :( |
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| 21:06.44 | LordMetroid | hmm, maybe debhelper is not a bi |
| 21:06.49 | LordMetroid | *bot |
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| 21:06.58 | LordMetroid | What is the developer channel? |
| 21:07.06 | cantido | I heard something about stroking a gypsy or something.. |
| 21:07.09 | jaggz | oh, when I run it and hit ctrl-q to close the window, it leaves the icon tray too |
| 21:07.27 | jaggz | I mean... it probably actually exits :) |
| 21:07.44 | cantido | I can't even remember what kmix in kde3 looks like :/ |
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| 21:08.47 | jaggz | do you like kde4? |
| 21:09.07 | cantido | some things are better, it's still buggy as hell though |
| 21:09.14 | LordMetroid | Is there a decision for next release to not contain any blobs? |
| 21:09.41 | cantido | like clicking tasks on the task bar and it selecting a totally different one. :\ |
| 21:10.11 | Alphos | damn, i missed paxcoder ^^' |
| 21:10.32 | cantido | LordMetroid: I think it was decided ages ago that blobs where "not nice but acceptable" by one of those general resolution thingies. |
| 21:10.46 | LordMetroid | Yes, I saw that |
| 21:10.52 | LordMetroid | And I do not like that |
| 21:11.16 | cantido | and? |
| 21:11.25 | binrapt | Ok it's rebooting, this is exciting |
| 21:11.32 | Traveller00q | cantido: reviewed xorg.conf, the kbd section is 2 x large as the Monitor and Screen sections, checked Xorg.0.log, it seems to have ID'd the BenQ monitor, pulled all the ranges H/V, yet will not support it |
| 21:11.36 | binrapt | I bet ssh will break haha |
| 21:11.39 | mavhc | what have you done to replace the blobs with something usable? |
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| 21:12.23 | cantido | Traveller00q: that's because all the sections you used to need can be probed, keyboard can't as far as I know |
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| 21:12.31 | binrapt | Does Debian do anything time consuming during a reboot after a dist upgrade? |
| 21:12.35 | LordMetroid | I am not that skilled |
| 21:12.37 | binrapt | Applying further changes or something? |
| 21:12.38 | cantido | Traveller00q: anyhow, have you tried pushing the auto button on the screen? |
| 21:12.42 | LordMetroid | Well maybe I could do something but I have not |
| 21:12.47 | LordMetroid | hmm, maybe one should |
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| 21:13.16 | cantido | LordMetroid: In some cases it's going to be almost impossible to write free versions of that stuff |
| 21:13.21 | Traveller00q | cantido: yes, nogo |
| 21:13.23 | LordMetroid | I see |
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| 21:14.01 | binrapt | It's replying to pings! SSH is up! |
| 21:14.06 | cantido | unless you like reversing drivers and stuff, I don't think there are many people that do |
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| 21:14.44 | jaggz | can't find anything in control-center to make it come up at boot.. I removed the ctrl-q shortcut so at least I can't close it habitually |
| 21:14.55 | cantido | binrapt: ** tears of joy streaming ** |
| 21:15.07 | cantido | jaggz: this is kde3? |
| 21:15.12 | binrapt | Haha |
| 21:15.38 | binrapt | git appears to work without error messages, stunning |
| 21:15.48 | cantido | jaggz: you can add things to the autostart for your session, also kde by default saves the last session and starts all that stuff back up at login.. that would include kmix |
| 21:15.50 | binrapt | So what problems can I expect with squeeze? |
| 21:16.01 | binrapt | Should I still wipe this box and go with lenny really? :P |
| 21:16.45 | cantido | binrapt: install apt-listchanges I think.. it will show you change logs for packages when you do upgrades, which is handy if things are incompatiable etc |
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| 21:16.51 | jaggz | yeah, kde3.. I added it to ~/.kde/Autostart/ should be good.. except I noticed it will pop it up in my face if it runs twice :0 |
| 21:17.07 | jaggz | hey, is there a way to somehow link some output of a terminal to run an app or do something? |
| 21:17.16 | binrapt | cantido ok |
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| 21:17.48 | Traveler00q | that was fun... |
| 21:17.50 | cantido | binrapt: also don't upgrade stuff all the time, wait until someone else has broken their machine |
| 21:18.11 | binrapt | It was an accident really, I will pay more attention to apt output in future |
| 21:18.15 | jaggz | of course, only what I say to do.. see, I'm ssh'ing to a remote system and I have my interface over there for administration.. I want to be able to hit a key and have it tell my local terminal to execute a command.. (I'm using gnome-terminal because konsole's scroll is too slow.. I think on screens with wrapping lines but I'm not sure) |
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| 21:19.12 | cantido | jaggz: you could do that easily, read the keyboard, test the result and run something |
| 21:19.21 | jaggz | I want it to run locall though :) |
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| 21:20.02 | jaggz | right now what I do is I copy a number to the clipboard, and I have a local hotkey setup to execute a script which takes the clipboard data, generates a URL out of it, and pops up iceweasel |
| 21:20.15 | cantido | jaggz: hmm you would need to setup a pipe or something to push stuff from the remote system into a script on the local system |
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| 21:21.15 | jaggz | heh... that would be cool.. too elaborate for now.. I'll use this. |
| 21:22.07 | jaggz | perl's X11::GUITest module is very cool.. let's you control windows and do things.. make little scripts to run as macros with it |
| 21:22.57 | jaggz | (run or find a running program.. send keystrokes to it)... |
| 21:23.37 | cantido | jaggz: kde3's dbus stuff is pretty nice, it's a bit like AREXX was on the Amiga, having control over the internal of a program like kopete and scripting that it should go online, read the contacts list.. boss is online .. go offline :) |
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| 21:24.41 | enouf | jaggz: there;s a section in control center under kde components, that has to do with Session Saving, and what to do when bringing up - but, i still think the option you want is within the mixer Settings itself |
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| 21:25.04 | enouf | jaggz: i'm not booting a live knoppix to find out either - try #kde |
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| 21:25.49 | enouf | jaggz: once you get the icon in the systray/kicker, right click it |
| 21:25.56 | enouf | and select configure maybe |
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| 21:26.19 | g00se | enouf: discovered other instances of dlocate 'holes' today |
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| 21:26.46 | taiyedbrodel | when I do a netinstall what's the diff between base and standard system? |
| 21:26.47 | enouf | or, it's not coming up because your Audio is somehow screwed .. and not available until desktop comes up |
| 21:27.15 | enouf | g00se: holes? doughnuts? .... mmmmm nomnomnomnomnomn ;-) |
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| 21:27.23 | jaggz | enouf, np.. thanks for all the attention.. my last line was the closest thing I've got to a solution and it's sufficient for the time being.. |
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| 21:27.55 | enouf | jaggz: i could never get rid of it many times, that's how i know .. when i did have that bloatware installed :-P |
| 21:27.56 | cantido | taiyedbrodel: you should have the same thing |
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| 21:28.04 | jaggz | like the joke with the doctor evaluating the woman? "Ma'am, I'm going to have to numb your breasts... |
| 21:28.12 | jaggz | ...numnumnumnumnum" |
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| 21:28.49 | jaggz | enouf, what do you prefer nowadays? |
| 21:28.58 | enouf | no DE |
| 21:29.03 | cantido | jaggz: instead of breasts? |
| 21:29.10 | taiyedbrodel | cantido when it finish to isntall the base system it prompts me to select some metapackages like desktop environments and DNS server and Apache server, among those it also list a "STANDAR SYSTEM", what's the difference between them? |
| 21:29.42 | g00se | enouf: http://pastebin.com/f6b5afb3a |
| 21:30.06 | cantido | taiyedbrodel: they are called taskes, they just install a bunch of software. The standard system one install handy stuff like less which you probably want. |
| 21:30.25 | jaggz | don't you require a DE to have a weather applet running? :) |
| 21:30.26 | cantido | taiyedbrodel: there's nothing to stop you adding or removing stuff from that list later though |
| 21:30.45 | cantido | jaggz: ncurses weather |
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| 21:31.05 | taiyedbrodel | cantido so if I don't select that standard system but I do select a desktop environment would I have a full operating system? |
| 21:31.34 | enouf | taiyedbrodel: 'standard' is one category of priority given to pkgs |
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| 21:31.46 | cantido | taiyedbrodel: you will have a full operating system if you don't select any of them. Those are there to make like easy |
| 21:31.50 | enouf | taiyedbrodel: there are like 6-7 other "priorities" |
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| 21:31.59 | lindenle | anyone playing a MMORPG on linux? Is there a good one? |
| 21:32.05 | taiyedbrodel | i see... |
| 21:32.09 | macrobat | taiyedbrodel: you can install all those tools manually if you want. for example "less mlocate alsa-base alsa-utils xinit bash-completion vim" |
| 21:32.12 | enouf | some of them are a) important b) required c) optional ... |
| 21:32.22 | taiyedbrodel | where can I see which packages does that taskel contains? |
| 21:32.37 | cantido | s/make like/make life/ |
| 21:33.00 | macrobat | lindenle: i have heard about people WoW:ing in wine |
| 21:33.07 | enouf | taiyedbrodel: tasksel --list-tasks <task> |
| 21:33.10 | cantido | mmm I don't think you can in the installer.. you can in tasksel or aptitude |
| 21:33.29 | enouf | but for standard you'll see ~important ~required and ~standard only |
| 21:33.44 | enouf | but grep-dctrl, and aptitude can show pkgnames |
| 21:34.43 | enouf | or .. was it dpkg-query .. let me see here ...erm, i mean tasksel --task-packages <task> |
| 21:34.51 | Traveler00q | cantido: did some googling, found another deb user who had issues with their BenQ, edited xorg.conf, have a desktop now but mouse is dead, is a start |
| 21:35.05 | binrapt | Oh, the squeeze fun is starting! ImportError: No module named apt_pkg |
| 21:35.20 | enouf | the other one works too, without any <task> but shows which tasks are available/names |
| 21:35.20 | taiyedbrodel | the thing is I'm trying to make a minimum install, just the necesary to run a web browser and oo-writer, so I could safely not select those of thos taskel and then install the browser and office app along with their dependencies? |
| 21:35.27 | binrapt | Oh this is just the apt-listchanges thing cantido recommended |
| 21:35.36 | jaggz | go with puppylinux or whatever |
| 21:35.45 | binrapt | Phew I thought the dist upgrade had broken the apt |
| 21:35.52 | enouf | binrapt: apt-listbugs too :-p |
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| 21:35.58 | amcsi | hello |
| 21:36.09 | cantido | <3 listchanges |
| 21:36.22 | jaggz | http://www.puppylinux.org/home/overview |
| 21:36.30 | cantido | nice to find out things are going to get fucked up, just before dpkg goes and fucks them up |
| 21:36.33 | binrapt | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=368695 |
| 21:36.38 | binrapt | This bug has been around since 2006? O_O |
| 21:36.51 | cantido | Traveler00q: what type of mouse? |
| 21:36.57 | enouf | likes -s |
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| 21:37.06 | amcsi | pls help me install the nvidia drivers. I did m-a a-i nvidia and it didn't work :( |
| 21:37.16 | binrapt | Hmm I haven't come up with the package name for that Python module yet, any ideas? |
| 21:37.24 | cantido | binrapt: I've seen bugs that have been around sense 2000 I think |
| 21:37.40 | cantido | binrapt: accidentalupgrade |
| 21:37.41 | enouf | amcsi: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 21:38.45 | binrapt | cantido do you know what package I need to install in order to get that Python module listchanges wants? |
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| 21:39.27 | cantido | Suggests: x-terminal-emulator, www-browser, python-glade2, python-gtk2 |
| 21:39.37 | binrapt | It's spitting out a Python error every time I try to run apt-get install |
| 21:39.42 | binrapt | not fatal though |
| 21:39.44 | binrapt | Luckily |
| 21:39.54 | binrapt | Hmmm |
| 21:40.24 | cantido | binrapt: is your version of python from experimental? |
| 21:40.35 | binrapt | Yeah |
| 21:40.39 | binrapt | 2.6.2 |
| 21:40.44 | cantido | that's probably the issue then |
| 21:40.45 | binrapt | I changed the symbolic link too |
| 21:40.53 | amcsi | xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed |
| 21:40.53 | sanmarcos | is it possible to make a RAID 1 without loosing any data? i.e adding a new drive to the single one I have now, or does one need to reformat? |
| 21:40.56 | binrapt | Oh, it needs to point to 2.5? Hm |
| 21:40.57 | amcsi | what gives? |
| 21:41.02 | amcsi | and how do I fix that? |
| 21:41.23 | cantido | sanmarcos: you can create a raid1 with a drive missing, copy the data over and then add the first drive |
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| 21:43.05 | Traveler00q | cantido: 3 button cheap skate USB, with a PS2 adapter. just modded xorg.conf, restartX, mouse still dead, but if i use the USB connection, works fine and that will be good for now ... now this damn internet issue |
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| 21:43.38 | cantido | Traveler00q: why bother with ps2 at all? |
| 21:43.42 | enouf | sanmarcos: not recommended, without having the other drive ro, or offline - see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
| 21:44.02 | cantido | Traveler00q: Xorg allow hotplugging of input devices nowadays! |
| 21:44.22 | Traveler00q | cantido: fair pont, have 6 x USB ports so should not care, ok thanks for the tip |
| 21:44.48 | binrapt | import apt_pkg fails in Python 2.6 and works in 2.5 |
| 21:44.54 | binrapt | I suppose I might be able to fix that hm |
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| 21:44.59 | binrapt | Manually |
| 21:45.08 | taiyedbrodel | a have a 64bit pc, would you recommend to install the 32bit or the 64bit version? |
| 21:45.25 | cantido | binrapt: probably the reason that version of python is in experimental ;) |
| 21:45.44 | cantido | taiyedbrodel: either should be fine. |
| 21:45.56 | binrapt | taiyedbrodel: Depends on what you do with it and what specs it has |
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| 21:46.16 | binrapt | If it's some dirty 1.2 Ghz single core 64-bit CPU with 512 MB RAM you're probably better off going with 32-bit |
| 21:46.39 | binrapt | (yes, those are not as rare as you might think) |
| 21:46.43 | taiyedbrodel | you just described the pc binrapt |
| 21:46.47 | binrapt | Haha |
| 21:46.57 | taiyedbrodel | except it has a lil bit more Ghz |
| 21:47.18 | cantido | 1.6Ghz atom? |
| 21:47.32 | binrapt | cantido those are 32-bit afaik |
| 21:47.51 | binrapt | New Celeron D/M series have such obscure cases though |
| 21:47.53 | cantido | binrapt: some are, some have EMT64 and VT-x I think |
| 21:47.58 | taiyedbrodel | Intel Pentium 4 506 2.66 GHz |
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| 21:48.13 | binrapt | There are 64-bit P4s? I had no idea. |
| 21:48.27 | taiyedbrodel | according to wikipedia |
| 21:48.40 | binrapt | Yes that's EM64T indeed |
| 21:48.49 | cantido | mmm there where P4 type Xeons with EMT64 at least |
| 21:48.58 | cantido | s/where/were/ |
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| 21:49.17 | taiyedbrodel | i'm not to sure about it, in fact I thought it was 32bit until 2 days ago |
| 21:49.28 | taiyedbrodel | even so I'm still unsure if it is 64bit |
| 21:50.06 | taiyedbrodel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_4_microprocessors#Prescott_.2890.C2.A0nm.29 |
| 21:50.12 | cantido | taiyedbrodel: the flags on the p4 can be confusing though. I have a mobile p4 machine that has flags to suggest it has hyper threading but it doesn't |
| 21:50.16 | binrapt | cp /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt_pkg.so /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/apt_pkg.so <- I wonder what this will do |
| 21:50.17 | phorce1 | How do I find out what causes this error? E: Build-dependencies for postfix could not be satisfied. |
| 21:50.32 | phorce1 | (from apt-get build-dep postfix) |
| 21:50.39 | binrapt | Oh not even the 2.4/2.5 versions are compatible |
| 21:50.44 | binrapt | So I'm probably screwed there haha |
| 21:51.01 | cantido | this is why I didn't bother learning python |
| 21:51.12 | taiyedbrodel | so, should I install the 32bit version? |
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| 21:51.32 | binrapt | How much RAM does it have? |
| 21:51.35 | taiyedbrodel | i mean, like there isn't a significant boost in performance? |
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| 21:51.38 | taiyedbrodel | 512MB |
| 21:51.52 | binrapt | No there's no boost as such, usually it's actually slower, |
| 21:52.00 | taiyedbrodel | i see |
| 21:52.04 | binrapt | The main advantage is that you can go beyond 4 GiB without any hacks |
| 21:52.10 | cantido | stuff like ssh is faster for x86-64 |
| 21:52.27 | phorce1 | it's a pretty vague error, WHAT build-dependencies can't be satisfied? |
| 21:52.27 | Traveler00q | cantido: back onto my network issue => ifconfig eth1 shows OK, route -n shows a vaid gw, resolv.conf => nameserver 192.168.1.1, can ping servers by name or IP, ISP does not filter any ports. |
| 21:52.39 | binrapt | BUT if you do any numeric calculations which are optimised properly then it will be faster in 64-bit |
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| 21:52.52 | cantido | Traveler00q: so what doesn't work? |
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| 21:53.11 | taiyedbrodel | well, I don't plan getting 4GiB nor using ssh |
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| 21:54.12 | cantido | I doubt any p4 motherboard will take 4GB anyhoo |
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| 21:54.45 | binrapt | x86 is such a hack |
| 21:54.57 | Traveler00q | cantido: just tried Iceweasel to google.co.nz => fail and apt-get update etc still fails, does this seem DNS related? |
| 21:55.03 | binrapt | Anyways, the 32-bit binaries are usually smaller and have caching advantages I believe |
| 21:55.08 | binrapt | The difference is really minor |
| 21:55.17 | binrapt | But on systems with very little RAM it can make a difference |
| 21:55.24 | cantido | Traveler00q: you said you can ping domains right? |
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| 21:56.32 | Traveler00q | cantido: yes i said that and yes i can |
| 21:56.37 | cantido | Traveler00q: are you sure that your isp doesn't require some sort of authentication? I.e. it'll allow dns and icmp but blocks anything else until you have logged in somewhere? |
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| 21:56.56 | enouf | taiyedbrodel: with 512RAM, you likely even want a -486, with nohighmem set |
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| 21:57.27 | cantido | why not a 686 kernel? |
| 21:57.34 | Traveler00q | i am sure, rang the "help" desk, they said is open and we have an ADSL line that comes in and connects to a wireless modem and that is it |
| 21:57.36 | enouf | i just said why |
| 21:57.46 | enouf | unless you want to compile your own |
| 21:58.08 | Traveler00q | although we do have VOIP lines and a PABX ... |
| 21:58.29 | Traveler00q | lives in an old house with NO www access... |
| 21:58.29 | cantido | wouldn't you loose out on all things that 686 gives you,.. |
| 21:59.00 | enouf | i mean, the debian -486 version, over the -686 one - and when do people use mmx? it all depends on which CPU it is |
| 21:59.10 | Traveler00q | bbs, talk to boss... |
| 22:00.07 | cantido | the kernel uses mmx,sse etc for different things.. if you have an array of some sort it'll calculate which is the fastest to use for it's calculations there |
| 22:00.40 | amcsi | nvidia installer: Current status: 37 broken [+37]. |
| 22:00.43 | amcsi | is that bad? |
| 22:00.45 | enouf | it how the apps are compiled, the gcc flags etc .. and more importantly the what's the main use for the machine |
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| 22:01.13 | enouf | sse is an addon to mmx |
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| 22:01.30 | enouf | same for sse2, sse3, they each append onto shit already there |
| 22:02.09 | cantido | yeah, but if a kernel is built for 486, which doesn't have SIMD instructions, it won't use them will it |
| 22:02.23 | enouf | how about the person tell us which CPU and the top capacity of RAM of mobo, and what the machine's primary use case will be |
| 22:02.37 | enouf | who cares about SIMD |
| 22:02.53 | enouf | (which is the first letter of SSE) |
| 22:03.16 | enouf | if he doesn't have a p3 or better, it'll never use them, no matter which kernel |
| 22:03.25 | cantido | enouf: he has a p4 |
| 22:03.48 | enouf | ok - i did not know that |
| 22:03.54 | enouf | then, i would add more RAM |
| 22:04.01 | cantido | for sure |
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| 22:04.31 | enouf | or, if he can't afford it., compile his own kernel for -686, but config NOHIGMEM |
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| 22:06.40 | Eepy | I'm making a minimal debian installation to make into a LiveCD, I currently have the Vanilla Debian 5 Command line install. I can't install anything using apt-get, it always asks me to insert one of the disks, it's connected to the internet via Ethernet, how can i get it to download the packages from the net? Thanks =) |
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| 22:08.01 | enouf | cantido: i heard you mewntion ssh was faster on amd64 arch? |
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| 22:08.15 | cantido | enouf: apparently it is |
| 22:08.24 | enouf | have you heard of openssh HPN being incorporated into debian at all? or .. must i compile? |
| 22:08.31 | macrobat | Eepy: i think you have to finish the install and reboot to install other pkgs |
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| 22:08.50 | votan | has anybody configured bastille for lenny recently ? |
| 22:09.00 | enouf | http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
| 22:09.20 | macrobat | your sources.list have cd-rom sources until you finish the install |
| 22:09.37 | Eepy | macrobat: What do you mean, the installation is finished - I chose not to install any of the packages during the installation, I have rebooted and logged in. |
| 22:09.48 | cantido | enouf: I don't think so, you could probably just drop that patch into the deb source and rebuild though |
| 22:10.04 | Eepy | macrobat: p.s, thanks for relying =) |
| 22:10.04 | enouf | no, you can install anything during install, so long as net is up |
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| 22:10.30 | Eepy | enouf: I didn't want to |
| 22:10.39 | enouf | learn how sources.list works |
| 22:10.42 | enouf | and apt-cdrom |
| 22:11.05 | Eepy | enouf: Learn how helping someone works |
| 22:11.27 | enouf | you shouldn't be making your own debian distro without .. oh nm .. into the bozo box you go - have fun |
| 22:12.20 | enouf | redmond love it when i rip out a few registry hives and resell it to the Investment Banking Industry ; |
| 22:12.33 | Eepy | enough: I am attempting to further my linux knowledge by doing this, all I asked was a little help to set up a window manager. |
| 22:12.44 | stew | Eepy: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 22:12.57 | Eepy | stew: Thanks, will try now =) |
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| 22:13.15 | stew | Eepy: (enter that into irc, the bot will show you how to change /etc/apt/sources.list) |
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| 22:15.08 | Eepy | stew: Thanks alot, I automatically assumed it would include the Debian repos by default, thanks again =) |
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| 22:18.06 | hikenboot | anyone successfully get openqrm working on debian? |
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| 22:18.35 | stew | Eepy: you're welcome :) |
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| 22:19.25 | km | does anyone know if it's possible to apache2.0 proxy to pass client certification to a back ssl iis server for authenication? |
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| 22:22.56 | lvh | hi |
| 22:23.28 | lvh | how can I convince watch to preserve colors? |
| 22:24.44 | enouf | watch is nice, but you sure it's the right tool? i'm not sure if you can, atleast not without recompiling it |
| 22:25.33 | enouf | incrontab, inotify is nice - all depends on what you're 'watching' :-) |
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| 22:26.07 | lvh | enouf: I'm not sure. I'm running unit tests continually to see when I make them stop failing and when I make them start failing. |
| 22:26.24 | lvh | enouf: since unit test output is color coded, I'd like to keep that. |
| 22:26.42 | lvh | enouf: (much like a rat in a skinner box, I've been told that green should make me happy and red should make me sad) |
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| 22:27.08 | cantido | lvh: write a loop with sleep instead maybe |
| 22:27.13 | enouf | hrm, out of my league (i'm no programmer), so i don't know what to tell you |
| 22:27.37 | boxxertrumps | quick question, what changes do i have to make to my sources.list to be able to install kde4? |
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| 22:27.59 | enouf | boxxertrumps: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 22:28.15 | exn | guys, help ! Anybody knows good(!!) program for synchronization folders via ssh, which can save list of folders what I want to synchronize every day and so on. ? unison, conduit is sux, and I'm so tired with rsync.. |
| 22:28.40 | enouf | tired? |
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| 22:28.48 | exn | I need gui |
| 22:28.49 | cantido | exn: you want to sync both ways or just one way? |
| 22:28.52 | exn | gui program |
| 22:28.57 | cantido | exn: unison has a gui |
| 22:28.58 | exn | both ways |
| 22:29.11 | exn | unison can't do even 40% what I need |
| 22:29.31 | cantido | so what features do you need? |
| 22:29.34 | enouf | when a script is written - all you have to do is invoke it, or set it with at or crontab |
| 22:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, tired, that's me! |
| 22:30.06 | themill | lvh: you could use inotifywatch or incron to wait for the file you're working on to be saved and then run the unit tests |
| 22:30.13 | enouf | !reanimate CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:30.16 | enouf | aww |
| 22:30.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 22:30.23 | enouf | :-p |
| 22:30.43 | themill | exn: so tell us what you need. Try do it in one line not several so we can read it easily. |
| 22:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | seriously... I when playing an online game, I used "tired" as nick for several years |
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| 22:31.01 | exn | cantido, I need to synchronize folders via ssh, need create a list of folders for synchronization and synchronize on both sides |
| 22:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I kind of feel you mean me if you say "tired" :) |
| 22:31.14 | enouf | heh |
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| 22:31.26 | themill | exn: that's precisely what unison does. |
| 22:31.49 | exn | nope, it even can't save list of files which I want to synchronize |
| 22:32.06 | themill | exn: you didn't include that in your list of specifications.... |
| 22:32.26 | lvh | themill: that's a good idea, thanks |
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| 22:32.51 | themill | exn: you seem to have a big list of things that you want that you're not telling us. I doubt many people here are interested in playing a guessing game with you. |
| 22:33.13 | enouf | exn: perhaps not apropos, but considered a raid1? (not that it'll allow you to pick and choose heh) |
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| 22:33.34 | exn | themill, read my first post |
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| 22:33.41 | exn | and you will see about list there |
| 22:33.55 | enouf | lvh: i believe debian-administation.org has a nice article |
| 22:33.58 | cantido | exn: most syncing tools work on directories |
| 22:34.16 | enouf | lvh: i believe debian-administration.org <== typo corrected has a nice article |
| 22:34.27 | themill | exn: why do you want the program to tell you the list of directories it's going to synchronise -- you need to tell it what to synchronise |
| 22:34.53 | lvh | enouf: I will look that up, thank oyu |
| 22:35.01 | enouf | np |
| 22:35.06 | exn | themill, I need synchronize multiple folders |
| 22:35.15 | themill | exn: unison does that |
| 22:35.23 | exn | and every I will change list |
| 22:35.34 | themill | exn: why? |
| 22:35.36 | exn | something will get back something remove |
| 22:35.51 | exn | just need |
| 22:36.04 | themill | exn: then write a script to make the unison config file |
| 22:36.05 | exn | it's reason why I need gui |
| 22:36.09 | enouf | exn: " < exn> and every [day?] I will change list" |
| 22:36.10 | exn | lol |
| 22:36.15 | cantido | exn: you realise you could create a directory called "sync this stuff" and create links in there to the stuff you want to sync right? |
| 22:36.19 | exn | I'm very very tired with scripts |
| 22:36.44 | boxxertrumps | thanks enouf, that got me on the right track |
| 22:36.49 | cantido | then sync you "sync this stuff" directory.. make sure it's handling the links correctly, job done |
| 22:36.49 | themill | I really can't fathom why you would be syncing different paths every day. |
| 22:36.55 | enouf | boxxertrumps: welcome |
| 22:37.04 | exn | For example I have folder1 folder2 frolder3 , I need today synchronize folder2 to other pc, and folder3 from other pc |
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| 22:37.20 | exn | of course there will be more than 3 folders |
| 22:37.22 | exn | =) |
| 22:37.32 | cantido | exn: so write some cronjobs |
| 22:37.34 | themill | exn: synchronisation is quite fast. You just sync every directory every day |
| 22:37.39 | cantido | exn: s/so/some/ |
| 22:37.46 | boxxertrumps | thinks he needs to find a way to sync kaddressbook on his workstation and laptop... |
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| 22:38.37 | boxxertrumps | maybe there's something in kaddressbook that i could use to work from a file on an ftp server |
| 22:38.42 | Traveler00q | how do i change my system download protocol from http to ftp? |
| 22:38.43 | valdyn | exn: theres guis for rsync |
| 22:38.59 | cantido | boxxertrumps: you can push it to imap I think |
| 22:39.00 | valdyn | Traveler00q: theres no system download protocol |
| 22:39.07 | valdyn | Traveler00q: and it would be retarded to switch to ftp |
| 22:39.08 | exn | valdyn, I have seen grsync, it's lol |
| 22:39.17 | enouf | heh |
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| 22:39.39 | cantido | you make a perfect pair then |
| 22:39.42 | boxxertrumps | cantido: i'll be able to find out once kde4 finishes installing |
| 22:40.05 | Traveler00q | well am in work netgear router, no filtering, fully open, must be a system issue not a connection issue |
| 22:40.06 | valdyn | exn: i dont know what you want then |
| 22:40.08 | boxxertrumps | what advantages does ftp have over http for package management? |
| 22:40.17 | Traveler00q | stabs pc |
| 22:40.17 | valdyn | boxxertrumps: none |
| 22:40.18 | cantido | boxxertrumps: there is (maybe was?) this whole kitchensync thing that was meant to be kde's all in one sync tool |
| 22:40.25 | pickcoder | it uses more than one port to make things confusing for routers |
| 22:40.32 | pickcoder | which is always a benefit |
| 22:40.57 | exn | valdyn, grsync can't do ssh, don't supports lists and any actions |
| 22:41.03 | valdyn | exn: nonsense |
| 22:41.25 | boxxertrumps | pickcoder: is that sarcasm or are there secrets about things you're not letting me in on. |
| 22:41.32 | pickcoder | </sarcasm> |
| 22:41.42 | boxxertrumps | oic |
| 22:42.07 | boxxertrumps | apt-get install step |
| 22:42.11 | boxxertrumps | whoops |
| 22:42.22 | exn | valdyn, gui needed for making file lists but many guis instead gives you 2 buttons "browse" and button synchronize lol |
| 22:42.25 | pickcoder | try another mirror |
| 22:42.33 | themill | dpkg: tell exn about lol |
| 22:42.48 | cantido | exn: so make a front end that creates the weird setup you need |
| 22:43.06 | valdyn | exn: granted it has no GUI to create the list |
| 22:43.10 | exn | themill shutup lamer |
| 22:43.21 | valdyn | exn: thats not a problem if you know how to use a text editor |
| 22:43.29 | cantido | exn: I think backupninja can create jobs with lists of directories like you want though.. it's ncurses, so you might not like it |
| 22:43.47 | exn | cantido, oh ! interesting |
| 22:43.51 | boxxertrumps | brb restarting x11 |
| 22:43.51 | themill | exn: synchronisation is a process where you normally do exactly the same thing every day. What you seem to want to do isn't what any tools are designed for. Perhaps you need to think more about your file paths so you can just sync the same thing each time. |
| 22:43.51 | pickcoder | ncurses isn't gui? |
| 22:43.54 | cantido | I haven't seen lamer in a long time! |
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| 22:44.09 | valdyn | !tui |
| 22:44.09 | dpkg | methinks tui is text user interface |
| 22:44.28 | pickcoder | so text dialogs in a desktop environment are tui? |
| 22:44.32 | pickcoder | :P |
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| 22:44.46 | pickcoder | oh I see.. you have to have a wallpaper |
| 22:44.54 | pickcoder | on a desktop |
| 22:44.57 | pickcoder | boggles |
| 22:45.13 | cantido | windows 95 wallpapers FTW! |
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| 22:45.41 | pickcoder | switches to 8-bit depth to remember what graphics used to look like |
| 22:45.42 | enouf | pickcoder: so long as it has a blue background, you can categorize it as a GUI! :-p |
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| 22:46.25 | enouf | anyone mention rdiff-backup? not that it's gui or anything, however, another option |
| 22:46.38 | valdyn | thats like dirvish iirc |
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| 22:46.44 | enouf | it does run on that redmond POS too |
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| 22:46.54 | valdyn | and hes already lazy to just use rsync |
| 22:46.59 | ryan__ | flawless victory |
| 22:47.14 | enouf | valdyn: i believe dirvish uses rsync, perhaps rdiff-backup as well |
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| 22:47.31 | valdyn | yea it does |
| 22:48.18 | boxxertrumps | wow, KDE4 is more responsive on this 1.8ghz laptop than my q6600 desktop. |
| 22:48.25 | boxxertrumps | ;_; |
| 22:48.25 | enouf | why don't we all just tell him to burn ALL to optical media, that has a GUI frontend, you pick and choose - then bring it on over to other box and use Briefcase .. heh |
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| 22:48.28 | njk- | i've tried using lsof and fuser to identify which process on my system has a strange port open, but neither seem to be working |
| 22:48.29 | enouf | hides |
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| 22:48.44 | njk- | any other way to determine which process might have this strange port open |
| 22:48.44 | valdyn | njk-: netstat |
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| 22:49.02 | njk- | netstat will identify the process that has the port open? |
| 22:49.04 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:49.06 | pickcoder | netstat -anp |
| 22:49.07 | valdyn | njk-: maybe its not open |
| 22:49.16 | enouf | TrueDD: yo - over and out |
| 22:49.17 | njk- | i can telnet to it and get connected |
| 22:49.19 | valdyn | njk-: or you are just using lsof wrongly |
| 22:49.22 | pickcoder | or -pan, -nap, etc |
| 22:49.28 | njk- | lsof -i :$PORT |
| 22:49.32 | valdyn | njk-: that doesnt mean its locally open |
| 22:49.36 | enouf | lsof | egrep 'LIST|ESTAB' |
| 22:49.43 | pickcoder | speaking of pan... time for nom noms |
| 22:49.49 | TrueDD | hi enouf :) |
| 22:49.49 | njk- | i see |
| 22:49.53 | TrueDD | and gn |
| 22:49.56 | valdyn | njk-: netstat or lsof find ports that have a process listening *locally* |
| 22:50.02 | enouf | but netstat as mentioned ftw |
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| 22:50.17 | valdyn | njk-: while your kernel ( iptables ) could just be redirecting and/or forwarding that port |
| 22:50.34 | enouf | njk-: are you root? |
| 22:50.44 | njk- | yes |
| 22:50.48 | njk- | well, i can be |
| 22:51.11 | njk- | so "lsof | grep 'LIST|ESTAB'" doesn't list the port in question |
| 22:51.18 | njk- | interesting |
| 22:51.21 | enouf | netstat adn lsof can/will/do hide things from non-root users |
| 22:51.59 | njk- | so i was running lsof with sudo |
| 22:52.04 | njk- | let me just su to be sure |
| 22:52.24 | valdyn | njk-: netstat -plunt |
| 22:52.42 | enouf | sudo is ok, if you're setup correctly |
| 22:53.37 | njk- | # netstat -plunt | grep LIST |
| 22:53.37 | jair | alright guys. I did the installation of debian using kmuto's custom installer and the ethernet driver etc... sound all works and got recognized. Now I need to install vmware workstation on this machine but I do not have a kernel-headers for kmuto's custom kernel help please??? |
| 22:53.39 | njk- | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:55006 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 22:54.03 | valdyn | jair: if kmuto has no help for you then you need a different kernel first |
| 22:54.14 | enouf | looks like what happens when a ssh conn goes south |
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| 22:54.31 | valdyn | or like netstat output when you are not root |
| 22:54.39 | njk- | i am root |
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| 22:54.44 | enouf | IOW, it was improperly killed/terminated - owned now via init |
| 22:54.47 | jair | valdyn: should i try to install the bp kernel one because the one I used was 2.6.30-1-amd64 and there is one similar in bp. |
| 22:55.03 | valdyn | jair: yea, good idea |
| 22:55.17 | jair | valdyn: I will give it a try then, thank you sir |
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| 22:55.37 | njk- | lsof -i works for other ports |
| 22:55.48 | enouf | jair: i thought kmuto offered headers too .. maybe just not that newest one? |
| 22:55.58 | valdyn | njk-: so the port is listed but the process is not? |
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| 22:56.00 | njk- | so i'm hoping your theory of it being an improperly terminated connection is right |
| 22:56.12 | njk- | valdyn: yes, appears that way |
| 22:56.24 | jair | enouf: I actually went to his website and could not find anything about headers... |
| 22:56.26 | valdyn | njk-: and you can connect, but *not* more than that, not prompt or output |
| 22:56.35 | njk- | correct |
| 22:56.41 | enouf | i haven't been there in a while so .,.. |
| 22:56.50 | jair | enouf: I sent him an email but I will to wait because of the 14hours difference for his response |
| 22:56.51 | valdyn | njk-: broken process |
| 22:56.58 | njk- | # telnet localhost 55006 |
| 22:56.59 | enouf | sure |
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| 22:57.05 | valdyn | njk-: thats a kernel bug, but not a huge one |
| 22:57.11 | njk- | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 22:57.12 | njk- | Connected to localhost. |
| 22:57.14 | njk- | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 22:57.16 | njk- | dsafdsf |
| 22:57.17 | njk- | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 22:57.19 | valdyn | njk-: it might time out at some point |
| 22:57.23 | njk- | ok |
| 22:57.29 | njk- | thanks for the help gentlemen |
| 22:58.23 | valdyn | njk-: you probably still have a matching zombie around |
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| 22:58.34 | njk- | any way to check for that? |
| 22:58.51 | njk- | i mean, tie the zombie to the port? |
| 22:58.51 | enouf | ps/pstree - top/htop |
| 22:58.54 | valdyn | njk-: processes in Z status in ps aux |
| 22:59.14 | valdyn | njk-: or D state in top iirc |
| 22:59.23 | boxxertrumps | huh, kpackage can only update current packages and get ones on the system. I dont want to install synaptic with all the gnome deps, are there any other good KDE guis for this sort of thing? |
| 22:59.39 | valdyn | njk-: D state if its not yet zombified |
| 22:59.48 | valdyn | njk-: it zombifies when you kill -9 it |
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| 23:00.30 | njk- | ps output shows no processes in Z state |
| 23:00.39 | njk- | let me check D |
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| 23:01.00 | njk- | no D state either |
| 23:01.08 | devhell | guys.. is there a visio-like application in the repository? couldn't find anything.. please advise.. |
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| 23:01.21 | njk- | # uname -r |
| 23:01.23 | njk- | 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 23:01.24 | njk- | ;-) |
| 23:01.28 | njk- | old kernel |
| 23:01.34 | valdyn | njk-: i can imagine your behaviour but i've never seen it like that |
| 23:01.44 | valdyn | njk-: maybe its something else like your iptables setup |
| 23:01.54 | njk- | i've stopped iptables |
| 23:01.58 | valdyn | njk-: though i dont see why you would have forwarded that port |
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| 23:02.21 | njk- | no mention of that port in the fw conf |
| 23:02.25 | enouf | njk-: stopping it doesn't drop rules |
| 23:02.32 | vipersniper | i know this is off topic but, can anyone give me some info about this error from mono http://pastebin.ca/1517285 |
| 23:02.51 | njk- | i flushed the rules |
| 23:03.07 | jair | enouf: valdyn I did install the backports kernel 64bit which also offer the headers and so far looks like it will work |
| 23:03.22 | enouf | that's not what you said initially ;0 - and you probably caused it by not flushing properly :-P |
| 23:03.28 | valdyn | jair: yea, that should work, as long as its a kernel that supports your hardware |
| 23:03.32 | enouf | jair: nice |
| 23:03.38 | jair | I would like to understand enoguh the kernel so I can create my own and also provide headers |
| 23:03.47 | jair | yes so far so good |
| 23:03.48 | ajavid | create your own kernel? |
| 23:03.53 | njk- | well let me correct myself then, i flushed the rules and then stopped iptables :-) |
| 23:03.56 | ajavid | or compile? |
| 23:04.01 | valdyn | jair: theres not much point |
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| 23:04.18 | enouf | njk-: when did you notice this open port with no PID? |
| 23:04.18 | valdyn | jair: but cloning like a debian kernel isnt hard either |
| 23:04.31 | njk- | about an hour ago |
| 23:04.44 | valdyn | njk-: iptables cannot be stopped, but rules can be flushed |
| 23:04.48 | enouf | njk-: in relation to flushing and stopping! |
| 23:05.03 | njk- | no, it existed before i stopped iptable |
| 23:05.07 | njk- | iptables |
| 23:05.09 | enouf | valdyn: i think he has a firewall frontedn |
| 23:05.15 | enouf | ok |
| 23:05.20 | valdyn | enouf: yea |
| 23:05.25 | enouf | which? |
| 23:05.28 | enouf | oh |
| 23:05.42 | njk- | no |
| 23:05.52 | jair | valdyn: hmmm I am actually having an error during the installation of vmware workstation 6.5.2 64bit I will check what is causing that in the logs |
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| 23:06.14 | njk- | iptables -F then /etc/init.d/iptable stop |
| 23:06.57 | njk- | maybe that's not enough tho....? |
| 23:06.58 | enouf | 19:00 < njk-> no mention of that port in the fw conf njk- fw==firewall? |
| 23:07.01 | valdyn | njk-: thats confusing ( for you ), that init script does not stop iptables, but it does something specific to your iptables rules, probably -F, probably something else |
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| 23:07.34 | Wyzard | jair: Each linux-image package has a corresponding linux-headers package, which contains the files you need for building modules for that kernel |
| 23:08.02 | Wyzard | jair: There's also a metapackage, linux-headers-2.6-amd64, which is analogous to linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 23:08.11 | Tramp | iptables DNAT rule would not show a Listener in netstat-output |
| 23:08.27 | enouf | Wyzard: and both of those are metapackages :-P |
| 23:08.28 | Wyzard | jair: Install that and the build-essential package (to ensure that you have a compiler and a few other things) |
| 23:08.51 | enouf | er, doh |
| 23:08.53 | Wyzard | enouf: I know, and I recommend installing both |
| 23:08.57 | valdyn | Wyzard: hes already at a bp.org kernel, does bpo provide the proper linux-image-2.6-amd64 etc ? |
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| 23:09.22 | enouf | Wyzard: yeah, makes pkg manager keep track of newly available kernel versions ;-) |
| 23:09.23 | Wyzard | ah, I don't know if backports has an updated version of the metapackage |
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| 23:09.39 | Wyzard | but they should have the version-specific headers packages at least |
| 23:10.08 | enouf | Wyzard: he started with a kmuto one, couldn't find headers |
| 23:10.11 | enouf | so he says |
| 23:10.19 | jair | Wyzard: will test that thank you very much |
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| 23:10.28 | vipersniper | where can i get some help with mono |
| 23:11.00 | enouf | Tramp: dnat == destination, network address translation? |
| 23:11.13 | Tramp | yes. this "assumed forwarding" |
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| 23:11.39 | Wyzard | looks like backports.org does provide the metapackages -- I see a linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-headers-2.6-686 version 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 on my 32-bit lenny system |
| 23:11.41 | enouf | njk-: are, or were you ssh'd somewhere? then a process hung you were doing through shh, then you killed the PID on your side, or exited, or closed the term/xterm it was in? |
| 23:11.51 | Wyzard | Presumably the amd64 port should has them too |
| 23:11.53 | enouf | njk-: that's when i see things like what you posted |
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| 23:12.32 | enouf | Tramp: thanks |
| 23:12.40 | jair | Wyzard: I think this may help I am testing now |
| 23:12.45 | Tramp | np |
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| 23:14.18 | jair | Wyzard: did not work :( I will check later and google and vmware community |
| 23:14.22 | jair | thank you |
| 23:14.29 | Wyzard | jair: What exactly did you try that didn't work? |
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| 23:14.52 | Wyzard | jair: (I use VMware Workstation 6.5.2 in 64-bit Debian on a regular basis, btw, so I know it works) |
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| 23:15.27 | njk- | sorry, was AFK for a moment |
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| 23:15.42 | njk- | when i said fw conf i was referring to the iptables rule set |
| 23:15.47 | njk- | sorry if that was ambiguous |
| 23:15.53 | Wyzard | jair: Actually, for 2.6.30 you need to apply a patch to VMware's kernel module code or it won't compile even if you have all the necessary headers and such installed |
| 23:16.13 | njk- | yeah, i think you guys are correct about this port being a remnant of some process that was killed or something |
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| 23:26.32 | meetmeonaholiday | so, straw poll, what do you think about the proposal to redesign the logo? all in favor say aye, all opposed say nay |
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| 23:27.44 | Cain | when using rsnapshot it said to use a script to save mysql databases (mysqldump) why can't backup the mysql files (*.frm *.myd... just like the other files ) ? |
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| 23:31.16 | abrotman | meetmeonaholiday: #debian-offtopic |
| 23:31.34 | meetmeonaholiday | dang, alright abrotman |
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| 23:40.25 | Ins|de | hello, i have a debian etch system with some lenny packages installed, is there any way to know what packages are there from lenny ? |
| 23:40.50 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 23:40.50 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
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| 23:42.20 | Ins|de | abrotman: yeah, but i would like to know if there is any way without checking hundreds of packages one by one |
| 23:42.35 | abrotman | run the script .. it does it for you |
| 23:42.36 | Ins|de | ok |
| 23:42.37 | Ins|de | nevermind |
| 23:42.47 | Ins|de | :) i need glasses sometimes |
| 23:42.53 | Ins|de | thanks a lot |
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| 23:48.09 | Ins|de | if i uninstall the mysql server would data be also removed ? without using the --purge option |
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