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| 00:10.38 | Ins|de | how can i fix my problem? i have some lenny packages installed in an etch machine, i have the list of packages, is there any way to fix this? |
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| 00:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | upgrade to lenny? |
| 00:13.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ins|de, no |
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| 00:14.11 | Ins|de | CutMeOwnThroat: that was the problem.. the server owner is using plesk, and plesk does not support lenny |
| 00:14.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not even sure --purge would remove manually created databases |
| 00:14.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 00:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !plesk |
| 00:14.45 | dpkg | from memory, plesk is Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | never used that |
| 00:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably never will :) |
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| 00:17.21 | Ins|de | i hope to not have to use it too.. but i dont have time currently for learning to do everything it does automatically |
| 00:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !free whcp |
| 00:17.54 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. |
| 00:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can /msg dpkg GNUPanel and the others... |
| 00:18.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | all those should be available as debian packages |
| 00:18.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've not used them either... |
| 00:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps they're not :) |
| 00:19.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dtc is |
| 00:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.20 | Ins|de | hmm let me check |
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| 00:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude install dtc-toaster is easy enough to have a quick glance, though |
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| 00:21.58 | Ins|de | i only dont know if it would conflict in any way with the currenntly plesk install |
| 00:22.05 | Ins|de | i'm going check in my own machine |
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| 00:23.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | If there's not a *strong* reason for other similar software, generally packages are much to be preferred |
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| 00:24.40 | zetheroo | I would be grateful if anyone could comment on this http://pastebin.com/m341325bc |
| 00:25.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean I've installed lots and lots of software outside the package management... or before there was package management... but nothing beats the comfort of just slurping in a package within 10 seconds |
| 00:25.59 | Ins|de | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, i agree, the package management system is much more confortable than compiling or installling packages without that "control" |
| 00:26.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | zetheroo, rolling your own kernel is very very rarely necessary these days |
| 00:26.43 | abrotman | zetheroo: are you here to troll ? |
| 00:26.44 | zetheroo | CutMeOwnThroat: I know ... but I would like to send this guy some links .... got any? |
| 00:26.46 | Ins|de | CutMeOwnThroat: anyway, if i download all etch versions for lenny packages in the server, can i try to install them using dpkg -i directly ? |
| 00:27.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't see that cmyk support or calibrating your screen is really an issue the kernel would want to address |
| 00:27.07 | zetheroo | abrotman: absolutely not! I use Linux on ALL my computers ... |
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| 00:27.27 | abrotman | zetheroo: and GIMP has CMYK support at least .. maybe scribus too |
| 00:27.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't make it impossible for you to troll, though! |
| 00:27.51 | abrotman | zetheroo: and to be fair .. very few people care about calibrating their screen |
| 00:27.58 | zetheroo | CutMeOwnThroat: I am not a troll ... |
| 00:28.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, cmyk support is pretty much overrated - it's used by a certain profession which makes up a small percentage of the total users |
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| 00:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | zetheroo, I didn't say you were... just that your argument was extremely weak there |
| 00:28.48 | abrotman | wonders which BSD makes "billions" |
| 00:29.04 | abrotman | zetheroo: roughly .. whomever wrote that .. is a flipping moron |
| 00:29.10 | zetheroo | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry :( |
| 00:29.31 | zetheroo | abrotman: I know ... I totally agree ... |
| 00:29.39 | abrotman | zetheroo: and apparently is not capable of using google |
| 00:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he speaks of microsoft... which indeed makes that a troll |
| 00:29.47 | zetheroo | anyone got any helpful links that I can send to this person about some of this stuff? |
| 00:30.09 | abrotman | judd: info kgamma --release sid |
| 00:30.10 | judd | abrotman: kgamma (graphics): is optional; Version: 4:4.2.4-1; Size: 65.3k; Installed: 304k -- monitor calibration panel for KDE 4 |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | so much for not having calibration |
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| 00:30.34 | Specc | Hello |
| 00:30.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | zetheroo, http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why perhaps |
| 00:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | note the "Some reasons why you should not build a custom kernel:" section |
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| 00:31.01 | abrotman | zetheroo: take that link .. s/OpenBSD/Debian/ .. should be just fine :) |
| 00:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | this *is* for BSD, but the same is true for linux/debian |
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| 00:31.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | (it's where we refer people who have the weird notion they need to compile a kernel) |
| 00:31.45 | zetheroo | haha |
| 00:31.46 | abrotman | zetheroo: go to #debian-offtopic .. this really doesn't have much to do with Debian support |
| 00:31.47 | zetheroo | cool |
| 00:32.03 | zetheroo | abrotman: oh your right ... sorry |
| 00:32.19 | Specc | I have mounted an external hard drive and started backing up my system |
| 00:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry, we don't have a similar page @ debian.org afaik |
| 00:32.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Specc, good on yer |
| 00:32.32 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: usually we just laugh at those people :) |
| 00:32.32 | Specc | however something failed, now I cannot remove the backup |
| 00:33.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, well, I *try* to be helpful |
| 00:33.13 | Specc | I get a numeric result out of range when I try to ls that particular dir |
| 00:33.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | not always courteous or nice, but helpful |
| 00:33.31 | Specc | and rmdir will tell me the directory is not empty, rm -r will silently fail |
| 00:33.36 | abrotman | zetheroo: are you going to join there ? |
| 00:33.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Specc, sounds like a job for fsck |
| 00:34.00 | abrotman | fsck with a cape! |
| 00:34.02 | Specc | CutMeOwnThroat: good tip! I forgot about that one |
| 00:34.11 | Specc | damn! |
| 00:34.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, see, sometimes I even *manage* to be helpful |
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| 00:37.41 | Specc | brb |
| 00:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | switches gandolf back on |
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| 00:41.24 | iceroot | is there a way to see the date a program was created in the repos? e.g. i want to see if i am using the hacked version from squirrelmail |
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| 00:47.18 | abrotman | iceroot: debsums |
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| 00:48.39 | iceroot | abrotman: i dont need md5 checks, because the correct md5 version of the non-hacked version is unknown |
| 00:49.01 | abrotman | uh ... it wouldn't match the official one ? |
| 00:49.47 | iceroot | i could give you a german link with a text of the problem |
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| 00:51.01 | iceroot | here is a english one http://squirrelmail.org/ someone hacked there server and replaced some moduls, the correct md5 sums of non-hacked versions are not known |
| 00:51.32 | iceroot | or in other words, noone knows if the developer telling the truth about the correct md5 sums |
| 00:51.43 | abrotman | oh .. so they aren't part of a package ? |
| 00:52.19 | iceroot | abrotman: squirrelmail is the package |
| 00:52.47 | iceroot | and it contains the 3 files and i dont know if lenny is using the hacked files from the squirrelmail-team |
| 00:53.12 | iceroot | because i dont know the date squirrelmail was last modifited in the repos |
| 00:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, that's good to know |
| 00:54.17 | \amethyst | iceroot: none of those modules appear to be in the debian package |
| 00:54.21 | abrotman | so you think the official package from debian has hacked files? or you think your package had hacked files? |
| 00:54.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I actually upgraded that package recently, though |
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| 00:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | he thinks the official package has hacked files |
| 00:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | because upstream had hacked files |
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| 00:55.00 | \amethyst | can't you compare to the versions in source control? |
| 00:55.01 | iceroot | abrotman: the deb, i thought |
| 00:55.08 | \amethyst | or do you think source control was compromised too? |
| 00:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, time to change my password :( |
| 00:55.23 | iceroot | abrotman: because i dont know how the debian-team is putting/checking programs in the repos |
| 00:55.30 | abrotman | iceroot: packages.debian.org will show the files in the package .. |
| 00:55.40 | iceroot | for the germans: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Passwort-Module-von-SquirrelMail-infiltriert--/meldung/142979 |
| 00:55.42 | abrotman | and if the files are in the package .. debsums will help you |
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| 00:56.28 | iceroot | abrotman: and what is the correct md5? i cant find a place which is telling me, this md5 is 100% not hacked |
| 00:56.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceroot, since when was the problem known? |
| 00:56.49 | abrotman | iceroot: but those are the md5sums for the tar.gz .. not the debian package |
| 00:56.57 | iceroot | 2 month (says squirrelmail) |
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| 00:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, so it was in heise today? |
| 00:57.16 | iceroot | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 00:57.34 | iceroot | yesterday |
| 00:57.43 | iceroot | its 4.00 in the morning here |
| 00:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceroot, heise has English versions... http://www.h-online.com/security/SquirrelMail-password-modules-infiltrated--/news/113920 |
| 00:58.00 | iceroot | CutMeOwnThroat: good to know :) thx |
| 00:58.10 | abrotman | was having more fun reading hte german version |
| 00:58.12 | \amethyst | iceroot: do you believe the things on sourceforge.net are safe? |
| 00:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceroot, hmmm... I'd also like if the version(s) I had installed were compromized |
| 00:58.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, sorry to spoil your fun |
| 00:58.42 | iceroot | \amethyst: i dont know |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | iceroot: and those md5sums won't help you |
| 00:59.15 | iceroot | abrotman: yes, i know |
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| 00:59.48 | iceroot | so i want somethink like apt-cache show squirrelmail which will say, build on 01.01.2009 or somethink like that |
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| 01:00.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceroot, I guess 1st thing to look at would be if those plugins were used at all |
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| 01:01.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceroot, I guess you can check in the source package ... |
| 01:01.11 | iceroot | CutMeOwnThroat: sasql is used here, the rest i dont know, but it is installed (found with locate) |
| 01:01.47 | Opie3 | I am trying to mount nfs share but not sure the cmd mount 192.168.1.6:/mnt/data /mnt/data does not work |
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| 01:03.03 | JuanJOBC | Hi |
| 01:03.11 | iceroot | The compromise of this server does not include a compromise of the source control, which is hosted on a separate repository managed by SourceForge. |
| 01:03.35 | iceroot | so i will run diff against source-forge |
| 01:04.08 | abrotman | it's not going to match ... |
| 01:04.19 | JuanJOBC | I have a weird issue. I installed a Debian server machine into a network that has more servers and computers (all win based). When at the office I can ping this Debian machine from all the locations without any problem, but when outside the office, through our VPN connection, I can ping all the computer EXCEPT the Debian server , which as a static IP into the same network. Any idea? |
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| 01:06.36 | uman_ | What is the most debionic way to install Emacs23? |
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| 01:09.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, if a cvs diff shows you: connect_evil_host(); send_all_passwords(); it's obvious :-/ |
| 01:09.43 | Tramp | JuanJOBC: maybe you have no default-GW (or proper route set, in case the VPN-host is not the default-GW) |
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| 01:10.21 | abrotman | uman: /msg dpkg ssb .. but it'll probably be tough .. probably better to wait for someone else to do it |
| 01:10.24 | iceroot | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
| 01:10.29 | JuanJOBC | Tramp, the VPN host is actually another server, 10.10.10.3 is its IP, while the Debian server is 10.10.10.6 |
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| 01:11.11 | Tramp | JuanJOBC: so unless the VPN host is masquerading, you'd need a route |
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| 01:11.38 | JuanJOBC | Tramp, and why the other computers are pingable? |
| 01:11.56 | Tramp | JuanJOBC: because they have this route? I forgot my crystal-ball. |
| 01:12.14 | JuanJOBC | Tramp, it's weird though, I had another Ubuntu server isntalled that was pingable without any special adding routing |
| 01:13.35 | Tramp | yeah, well. I had tow different chili plants. One died early, the other starts bearing fruit - it's really hard to answer why with this level of information. |
| 01:14.18 | JuanJOBC | Tramp, ok, I appreciate your help, but if you need more information ask, don't need sarcasm. I appreciate your help, but I don't need any sarcasm |
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| 01:14.22 | Tramp | JuanJOBC: unless you can reach /anything/ on the Debian server, it may be routing or VPN policy issue. Hard to say. |
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| 01:15.33 | Tramp | JuanJOBC: can you try with nmap a known-open port on this server? |
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| 01:15.50 | Tramp | (or maybe even with a plain netcat/telnet) |
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| 01:16.55 | JuanJOBC | Tramp, I'll check it, the thing that confusses me is that the 10.10.10.6 IP was being used by the old Ubuntu Server, ...I just replaced the computer...so if it is a network issue should have been present before? |
| 01:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceroot, thanks for bringing this up... I stopped reading heise regularly so I'd have missed it |
| 01:17.42 | Tramp | hmm. well. Then it may also be an apr-cache issue, since you replaced the IP. |
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| 01:18.09 | Tramp | JuanJOBC: check the arp-cache on the VPN host first. |
| 01:18.45 | JuanJOBC | Tramp, ok, I am writing down all your suggestions |
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| 01:32.44 | Specc | CutMeOwnThroat: Success!! |
| 01:33.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Good on yer II |
| 01:33.24 | Specc | thanks for the tip |
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| 01:34.02 | omakase | any idea why this lseek fails on debian but not on the other platforms i've tried: http://codepad.org/d2p30kwI |
| 01:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceroot, would be really useful if those guys would have published some way to test the plugins themselves for whatever additional code they got |
| 01:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... if it's contacting a server, it might simply contain a string with a server name... |
| 01:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | or something |
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| 01:37.45 | Tapout | hey guys, anyone know of an app that will find duplicate files and report back on the duplicates found? |
| 01:37.53 | Tapout | same size, same data, .. |
| 01:38.07 | taiyedbrodel | my xorg.conf is empty |
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| 01:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceroot, actually, I only find stuff like squirrelmail-locales: usr/share/squirrelmail/locale/uk_UA/LC_MESSAGES/sasql.mo on my system |
| 01:39.13 | abrotman | taiyedbrodel: that's normal |
| 01:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | which are just locale files |
| 01:39.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that shouldn't do anything |
| 01:39.28 | taiyedbrodel | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only configures my keyboard |
| 01:39.39 | taiyedbrodel | and even so it doesn't modify xorg.conf |
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| 01:40.09 | abrotman | taiyedbrodel: what else do you want it to do? |
| 01:41.07 | taiyedbrodel | set my screen resolution |
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| 01:41.32 | taiyedbrodel | because everytime I reboot it sets a lower resolution than what is supposed to be |
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| 01:41.48 | abrotman | which card/driver? |
| 01:41.53 | abrotman | how are you fixing the resolution? |
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| 01:42.13 | taiyedbrodel | it's an ati-radeon x300 |
| 01:42.18 | oh_noes | Is it possible for me to tell sar, "record the following things, io reads on disk x, io writes on disk x, cpu sys usage etc" |
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| 01:43.13 | abrotman | taiyedbrodel: and how are you changing the resolution ? |
| 01:43.50 | taiyedbrodel | xfce4 display manager |
| 01:44.20 | abrotman | does xrandr do anyting different? |
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| 01:44.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceroot, this ancient mail does complain about the lack of plugins in Debian http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-06/2442.html - 2004 is a long time ago, though |
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| 01:45.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, I think those plugins wouldn't be in the main package, but in a separate one |
| 01:45.40 | taiyedbrodel | I mean, I set the resolution thru xfce4 display manager and it changes, right? but when I reboot it changes to default |
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| 01:46.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceroot, so I think the Debian packages can't be affected - but it'll surely all become clearer within the next couple of days... |
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| 01:47.44 | abrotman | taiyedbrodel: you can use X -configure to create a conf file |
| 01:47.55 | abrotman | taiyedbrodel: or figure out the syntax yourself |
| 01:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, I feel a bit better, having convinced myself that my password wasn't sent to some shady guys somewhere on the internet |
| 01:48.29 | abrotman | i'm surprised people still use squirrelmail |
| 01:48.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I installed it ... 5 years ago? |
| 01:48.49 | abrotman | i mean .. not in a bad way .. but i thought it had kind of stagnated in like 2002 :) |
| 01:48.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was the only thing available at the time |
| 01:49.08 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: Horde/Imp have been around at least that long |
| 01:49.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | haven't really looked since - is there something else today? |
| 01:49.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, dunno |
| 01:49.19 | abrotman | and Roundcube has quite a large number of fans |
| 01:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | when I looked for something around 1999 or so, there was plain nothing |
| 01:49.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1998 perhaps |
| 01:50.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2002 sounds about right for when I installed squirrelmail and I didn't see much else |
| 01:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it was in the Debian repositories... |
| 01:50.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 01:50.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | after that, we just stuck with it |
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| 01:57.27 | careta | grub-legacy is being deprecated? |
| 01:57.34 | careta | :( |
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| 01:58.30 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:58.43 | Titan8990 | the name sounds like a hint |
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| 02:00.08 | abrotman | Titan8990: well, i believe 'grub' still installs as a metapackage .. but i've got grub2 installed in a bunch of places, haven't had an issue yet |
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| 02:04.56 | z8000 | For the love of all good things in the world, why is it so complicated to install an email server? Why is there no sane "meta" package that asks 3 or 4 questions and installs postfix and dovecot with sasl? |
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| 02:08.39 | abrotman | z8000: the sasl is the tricky part .. but installing dovecot/postfix isn't that hard |
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| 02:09.59 | abrotman | that said ..i think there is a postfix/sasl howto type thing in /usr/share/doc/postfix/ |
| 02:10.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | first you say "an email server" and suddenly you want some very specific setup |
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| 02:12.46 | z8000 | abrotman: s/hard/very time consuming/ :) |
| 02:12.52 | z8000 | nevermind |
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| 02:13.23 | abrotman | doesn't recall it being that hard |
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| 02:16.13 | askvictor | I've destroyed /var - I've rebuilt if from a minimal install, but am uncertain if the package status will be correct... Is there any way to get apt to 'force reinstall' all existing packages to make sure they're the latest? |
| 02:17.12 | abrotman | !rebuild status |
| 02:17.16 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 02:17.21 | neoark | nalioth got my messages? |
| 02:17.31 | abrotman | !status recovery |
| 02:17.31 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;; |
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| 02:19.07 | fkqchimera | guys a question for an iptables pro... |
| 02:20.12 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 02:20.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:20.29 | fkqchimera | Im following some instructions that require some rules be set in /etc/iptables.test.rules. such as :PREROUTING ACCEPT [381:35017] could someone let me know how that line corresponds to iptables on the cmd line |
| 02:21.22 | fkqchimera | I have been using iptables for quite a while and already have rules set up in a standard sh script |
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| 02:22.48 | abrotman | there is a #iptables also |
| 02:23.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, that status factoid evolved nicely |
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| 02:24.41 | abrotman | smells sarcasm or .. sauerkraut... |
| 02:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | prefers pizza |
| 02:25.17 | fkqchimera | ah ok if no ones sure ill try over there |
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| 02:28.02 | fkqchimera | hmm seems a little quiet over there |
| 02:28.31 | Titan8990 | seems to be quite in all the channels tonight |
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| 02:29.28 | fkqchimera | yeah i dont come on here all that often but debian's normally pumping |
| 02:30.24 | Titan8990 | it was this afternoon |
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| 02:42.32 | clusty | hey |
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| 02:43.17 | clusty | we are getting a bunch of new PC's at the office, which will be a computational cluster. I want to have the same users/passwords as the main server |
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| 02:43.46 | clusty | how does one setup this such that users names/passes are stored on a remote machine? |
| 02:43.56 | clusty | is that what LDAP is good for? |
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| 02:44.15 | Titan8990 | LDAP is a method, but LDAP does a lot more |
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| 02:44.55 | clusty | Titan8990, so i know. you can share tons of stuff with ldap |
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| 02:45.11 | clusty | Titan8990, but what's the easiest method to achieve what i want? |
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| 02:46.06 | abrotman | clusty: you could also use samba or nis |
| 02:46.22 | Titan8990 | kerberos would be one of the more secure |
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| 02:46.40 | clusty | abrotman, main is linux |
| 02:46.48 | clusty | so i guess there is no need for samba |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | why? it still works |
| 02:47.25 | Titan8990 | clusty, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/570 |
| 02:47.50 | clusty | Titan8990, kerberos is overkill |
| 02:48.03 | clusty | Titan8990, security does nto have to be airtight |
| 02:48.13 | clusty | Titan8990, at least not for now :D |
| 02:48.51 | Titan8990 | ermm |
| 02:48.57 | Titan8990 | i guess +1 of nis..... |
| 02:49.16 | clusty | plus i have had a nasty experience with kerberos |
| 02:49.26 | clusty | as a user it would cut me every 2-3 days |
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| 02:49.51 | clusty | so all my remote jobs would die out (was NFS+kerberos) |
| 02:50.10 | clusty | abrotman, and I can mount the /home simply over NFS? |
| 02:50.12 | abrotman | any of the things we mentioned would work |
| 02:50.17 | abrotman | clusty: for a user? yes |
| 02:50.20 | clusty | thanks a bunch |
| 02:50.29 | clusty | NIS is exactly wehat i need i think |
| 02:50.34 | Titan8990 | clusty, actually, if they don't need to be system users you can use SQL |
| 02:51.16 | Titan8990 | although, i really don't know what they are authenticating to |
| 02:51.23 | clusty | Titan8990, they do need to be users. things will get complicated afterwords if not i guess |
| 02:51.36 | clusty | Titan8990, main thing is a NIS server |
| 02:52.51 | clusty | Titan8990, the local machines will be connecting to this server. now really sure how it works in great detail :D |
| 02:53.02 | Titan8990 | my current work project is freeradius auth server |
| 02:53.03 | clusty | some PAM magic might be needed :D |
| 02:53.39 | clusty | no diameter? :D |
| 02:55.00 | Titan8990 | hadn't really looked in to it |
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| 02:55.55 | abrotman | NIS might not be exactly what you want .. you shuld probably read/understand how it works .. it is an option |
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| 02:58.26 | pickcoder | nis can be a pita |
| 02:58.38 | pickcoder | ldap is better suited for central management |
| 02:58.55 | pickcoder | even though it has been exploited to do stupid thinks like serve files. |
| 02:59.52 | clusty | abrotman, will read into it. what are my options? |
| 03:00.07 | abrotman | clusty: i really think your best options are ldap or samba |
| 03:00.11 | clusty | abrotman, so far it seems NIS, LDAP, with second being a big cannon |
| 03:00.15 | abrotman | pickcoder: not exploited .. that's part of the design |
| 03:00.33 | clusty | abrotman, how does samba fit into this? |
| 03:00.46 | clusty | abrotman, i never used it for more than win/linux file exchange |
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| 03:01.14 | pickcoder | abrotman: meh.. exploited |
| 03:01.44 | abrotman | pickcoder: no really .. design |
| 03:01.54 | pickcoder | throws marshmallows |
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| 03:02.49 | pickcoder | I need a 2U colo in the US with dedicated pipe |
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| 03:04.10 | abrotman | !hosting |
| 03:04.10 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
| 03:05.41 | pickcoder | unfortunately it probably won't be running Debian |
| 03:06.06 | pickcoder | vendor O/S version lock on critical software |
| 03:06.23 | abrotman | so why are you asking here? |
| 03:06.25 | clusty | why not get a VM? |
| 03:06.34 | clusty | you can surely get some ubuntu :D |
| 03:06.40 | clusty | that is like half way debian :D |
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| 03:13.55 | eddiegentry | wtf did anyone see this http://www.trollaxor.com/2009/08/my-unsettling-ubuntu-experience.html |
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| 03:14.39 | terrestre | there's a wa y to see the exact model and revision of my CPU? |
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| 03:15.44 | eddiegentry | machine |
| 03:15.52 | eddiegentry | terrestre: type machine in a terminal |
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| 03:17.39 | terrestre | by the exact model I mean pentium d 820, something like that |
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| 03:20.49 | eddiegentry | right click on My Computer and go to properties |
| 03:21.39 | terrestre | are you in windows? |
| 03:22.04 | eddiegentry | no, but you are |
| 03:22.39 | terrestre | yes |
| 03:22.43 | Ezep | terrestre: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:22.57 | terrestre | but I need to know that information in a pc that only have linux |
| 03:23.09 | terrestre | cpuinfo didnt work |
| 03:23.11 | terrestre | i mean |
| 03:23.18 | terrestre | i need other information |
| 03:23.25 | terrestre | model and revision |
| 03:23.52 | Ezep | How many cores do you have? |
| 03:24.10 | terrestre | me? |
| 03:24.14 | eddiegentry | hostinfo |
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| 03:25.13 | terrestre | thanks eddie but I think you dont understand what I'm looking for |
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| 03:26.11 | Ezep | terrestre: search here /proc/sys/kernel/sched_domain/cpu0/domain0/ |
| 03:26.17 | eddiegentry | terrestre: i do know what y ou want, but hostinfo should show it |
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| 03:26.31 | eddiegentry | output from hosinfo on by b0x: |
| 03:26.49 | eddiegentry | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.49 | eddiegentry | Kernel configured for up to 2 processors. |
| 03:26.50 | eddiegentry | 2 processors are physically available. |
| 03:26.50 | eddiegentry | 2 processors are logically available. |
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| 03:29.44 | eddiegentry | see that is what you want |
| 03:29.45 | eddiegentry | hostinfo |
| 03:29.51 | terrestre | i will try to explain myself |
| 03:29.58 | terrestre | what cpu do you have eddie? |
| 03:30.35 | eddiegentry | i have a ppc7450 |
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| 03:31.42 | terrestre | ooh lol I would be more clear if you have an intel i dont know mucho about ppc |
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| 03:33.51 | eddiegentry | well |
| 03:33.57 | eddiegentry | what does hostinfo say for you |
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| 03:34.30 | terrestre | just a general name pentium D 2.8 |
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| 03:35.22 | eddiegentry | what version of ubuntu are you ruinning |
| 03:35.37 | terrestre | a pentium D 2.8 could be a pentium D 840 or pentiumd D 820 |
| 03:36.06 | terrestre | a pentiumd D 820 could be setepping A0 or B0 |
| 03:36.14 | terrestre | i need that especific information |
| 03:36.58 | peterS | so 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' is not sufficient information? |
| 03:37.13 | terrestre | its a lot of information but not what im looking for |
| 03:37.31 | peterS | there is also 'dmidecode' - has lots of information about the entire motherboard, including details about the CPU... though I don't think it tells much more than /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:38.11 | terrestre | actually i already tried dmidecode and cpuinfo, lshw, even perlmon |
| 03:38.15 | eddiegentry | why dont you just open the pc's case? |
| 03:38.23 | terrestre | ? |
| 03:39.20 | terrestre | how can I know the stepping (revision) of a intel processor open the case? |
| 03:40.18 | terrestre | i had the processor in my hand actually but that information its not available that way |
| 03:40.56 | mosno | terrestre: /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 03:42.19 | terrestre | sorry i says stepping and i was looking for revision |
| 03:42.28 | terrestre | said |
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| 03:43.00 | terrestre | my bad |
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| 04:02.23 | crazyfrog | i can not play wma files with mplayer |
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| 04:03.46 | terrestre | lol |
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| 04:19.40 | racecar56 | anyone know a good desktop icon thing that looks at ~/Desktop for ic |
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| 04:19.44 | racecar56 | Initializing package states... Done |
| 04:19.44 | racecar56 | Reading task descriptions... Done |
| 04:19.44 | racecar56 | racecar56@racecar56-hp-laptop:~$ sudo aptitude full-upgrade |
| 04:19.44 | racecar56 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 04:19.44 | racecar56 | Building dependency tree |
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| 04:20.03 | racecar56 | what the heck, sorry |
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| 04:20.51 | racecar56 | anyone know a good desktop icon thing that looks at ~/Desktop for icons? |
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| 04:33.36 | crazyfrog | i can not play wma files with mplayer |
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| 04:50.35 | thneed | what is the command to copy an exectuable and make a shortcut to it at a path I specify? |
| 04:52.18 | oh_noes | Is it expected that /etc/default/sysstat doesn't accept SA1_OPTION of "-A"? |
| 04:52.24 | oh_noes | how do I tell it to collect everything? |
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| 04:57.47 | beardy | thneed: You don't really. You either give the full path or make the directory part of your PATH. You can use a symbolic link if you insist. 'man ln' search -s. |
| 04:58.39 | thneed | beardy: I did sudo cp -r /old filepath /newfilepath |
| 04:59.01 | beardy | thneed: And you're on Ubuntu? |
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| 04:59.24 | thneed | beardy: but I cannot access the copy (debian) because of permissions, how can I change it to allow for more than root access? |
| 05:00.34 | beardy | thneed: Change the permissions or make your user part of the group owning the files. 'man chmod' (I hope you have these things in /usr/local or /opt) |
| 05:00.43 | thneed | cool thanks |
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| 05:25.39 | exobyte | I have a disk image (say...hda). How can I mount it to a loopback device and access individual partitions? |
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| 05:35.03 | nsadmin | dang. |
| 05:35.26 | nsadmin | I keep forgetting the name of the ripper I have installed |
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| 05:35.42 | nsadmin | hazard a guess? |
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| 05:39.46 | beardy | !apropos |
| 05:40.04 | beardy | !ping |
| 05:40.04 | dpkg | Yes, beardy, you are online. |
| 05:40.17 | beardy | nsadmin: 'apropos rip' |
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| 05:40.58 | beardy | nsadmin: 'apropos audio' |
| 05:41.40 | bbelt16ag | question peeps what option do i have to set in lenny install to make the netcd not install a gui? i need a headless server and the more space i can save the better.. |
| 05:43.21 | nsadmin | beardy: found cdparanoia with apt-cache search audio |
| 05:44.04 | beardy | bbelt16ag: None.. just install it and don't choose things you don't want. Do not install ANY tasks, but the "standard" already ticked one. |
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| 05:46.07 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 05:46.25 | jeeves | does anyone know of a good USB boot disk creator? I made an ISO of my windows disk to repair my netbook, but I can't find a good one |
| 05:46.25 | lnostdal | hi, using the (Gnome) Update Manager i notice that the bottom part of the UI has a (toggable) "Description of update" pane .. when i expand it i see "Downloading list of changes..." but it seems stuck there .. any clues? |
| 05:46.41 | beardy | Use aptitude. |
| 05:47.10 | lnostdal | beardy, yeah, i know .. but still .. i have ubuntu under virtualbox here and it (the UI) works as expected there |
| 05:47.22 | beardy | This is #debian. |
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| 05:47.36 | craigevil | update manager is a pos, use aptitude |
| 05:47.39 | hanibana | hi all |
| 05:47.51 | lnostdal | craigevil, i see .. hm |
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| 05:48.12 | lnostdal | beardy, well .. debian has "Update Manager" too ........ |
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| 05:48.23 | beardy | ineiros: File a bug. |
| 05:48.32 | lnostdal | beardy, it would be nice if it worked .. if it is broken i can perhaps look at it myself |
| 05:48.57 | nsadmin | Bule a fig |
| 05:49.01 | lnostdal | but there is a chance i've removed some required package or done something else to break stuff here .. so if others have it working then maybe i'd be wasting my time |
| 05:49.06 | lnostdal | yes, fuck-a-duck |
| 05:49.08 | lnostdal | heh :) |
| 05:49.12 | beardy | lnostdal: I don't know what it is really. Is it some upstream updating thing for gnome itself, or a package manager? |
| 05:49.42 | hanibana | can I use the resulting .[k]o module of making a driver (for example an Ethernet one) for a system with exactly same hardware? I |
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| 05:49.56 | beardy | lnostdal: I'd say you are wasting your time as aptitude is what is recommended and what works. |
| 05:50.21 | hanibana | I mean I don't need to re-build it? |
| 05:50.31 | hanibana | same hardware and OS version. |
| 05:50.33 | nsadmin | hanibana: same hardware and same kernel |
| 05:50.33 | lnostdal | beardy, yes, i know that .. please understand that i'm talking about the UI front-end .. i got no problem dealing with CLI stuff myself; that is _not_ the or a problem |
| 05:50.42 | hanibana | nsadmin: yes |
| 05:50.53 | beardy | hanibana: If it is the same kernel version, it should work. |
| 05:50.58 | nsadmin | sure, there should be no need |
| 05:51.06 | hanibana | thanks all ;) |
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| 05:51.21 | nsadmin | and if you've built that kernel with make-kpkg, you just install the .deb |
| 05:52.13 | beardy | lnostdal: Alright. I'll be quiet, and hopefully someone recognice your problem. |
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| 05:54.04 | linuxguy2009 | What kernel version is in the current stable release? |
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| 05:54.10 | kmonk | hi everybody :) |
| 05:54.24 | kmonk | i thik it's 2.6.27 something |
| 05:54.30 | linuxguy2009 | ok thank you |
| 05:54.31 | kmonk | but i could be wrong |
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| 05:55.05 | nsadmin | there's .30 in backports |
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| 05:55.23 | kmonk | i have a simple question, but it's been bugging me |
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| 05:55.37 | nsadmin | questions have that effect |
| 05:55.48 | kmonk | heh |
| 05:55.53 | jigpe | hello guys. i need to ask something before doing it.. can you advice me why install debian not ubuntu? |
| 05:56.06 | beardy | !tell jigpe about why debian |
| 05:56.10 | nsadmin | questions bug... then there's an extra entry in the bts... annoying... |
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| 05:57.03 | kmonk | because it's cleaner then ubuntu- hence faster and more reliable, ubuntu is based off debian, so depending on your choice of debian version, it is also more modern |
| 05:57.06 | jigpe | beardy : still not convinced. why debian not ubuntu? |
| 05:57.07 | gnz11 | debian is more stable ubuntu is based off of debian |
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| 05:57.42 | jigpe | in terms of security |
| 05:57.44 | beardy | jigpe: Make up your own mind. It is not the kind of questions that are answered here as they only cause flaming. |
| 05:57.55 | nsadmin | if you're not convinced, then try each for awhile |
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| 05:58.02 | kmonk | now now |
| 05:58.04 | beardy | jigpe: And no chance in hell that you read what was given you. |
| 05:58.05 | gnz11 | two years for new release of debian six months or lewss for ubuntu |
| 05:58.09 | jigpe | i forgot "in terms of security" that what should i ask |
| 05:58.19 | craigevil | jigpe: just look through the ubuntu forums at all the problems people have updating from one release to the next |
| 05:58.23 | kmonk | simple question jigpe, what are you using it for |
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| 05:58.44 | kmonk | then i'll try and recommend a version/derivative for you |
| 05:58.44 | gnz11 | anything you would do in ubuntu you can do in debian |
| 05:59.26 | nsadmin | that's true.. but then, anything you could do on linux you could do on darwin |
| 05:59.45 | gnz11 | bleeding edge isn't nice if it fs your important/only comp |
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| 06:00.19 | gnz11 | for that argument w7 |
| 06:00.36 | jigpe | kmonk : i need less resources and free.my main use is: communication to my family and relatives. im tired of blue screen in windows and so much erros ang hanging. to your linux for: communication of relatives/family/friends using webcam+voip+typing documents.thats 3. |
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| 06:00.54 | nsadmin | or on a turing-complete four-func calculator :) |
| 06:01.15 | jigpe | sorry for enjglish hehe |
| 06:01.17 | kmonk | mepis is good just a second |
| 06:01.22 | jigpe | to your - to use* |
| 06:01.30 | kmonk | just a sec im a uncle just now :) |
| 06:01.30 | jigpe | erros - errors |
| 06:01.32 | jigpe | ang - and |
| 06:01.49 | nsadmin | I do have a point beyond bringing up choices.. |
| 06:01.51 | rafuch0 | quick question how do i install a deb package whit no root priveleges is this posible? |
| 06:02.09 | jigpe | correct you are right lots of problems in ubuntu forums |
| 06:02.17 | campassi | rafuch0, no |
| 06:02.26 | nsadmin | the point I'm trying to make, is you should choose what you want |
| 06:02.30 | jmarsden | jigpe: For your needs you should use whatever Linux distribution your friends use, so you can ask them for help when you get stuck. |
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| 06:02.51 | jigpe | kmonk : i can do webcam to webcam using yahoo messenger and xlite voip in debian? - i think this is all important. communication |
| 06:03.01 | nsadmin | I don't want to choose for you, and I don't want to convince you that one is better than another |
| 06:03.04 | campassi | just use windows if you don't know |
| 06:03.13 | gnz11 | for small footprint try puppylinux irc at # |
| 06:04.21 | jigpe | ok ill install debian lenny |
| 06:04.35 | jigpe | done downloading debian lenny 5.1 |
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| 06:05.51 | nsadmin | don't download debian dorian dingos |
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| 06:06.17 | gnz11 | eh? |
| 06:06.32 | jigpe | what is that? |
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| 06:07.44 | nsadmin | debian dorian dingos drink danish druglike drafty doorstops |
| 06:08.34 | gnz11 | drunken debian troll |
| 06:09.17 | gnz11 | although at least you can type |
| 06:09.26 | nsadmin | debian does dallas delightfully? |
| 06:09.45 | nsadmin | ok, I'm tired of d :) |
| 06:10.07 | jigpe | am i right with debian lenny 5.1 download? |
| 06:10.15 | gnz11 | try whining in #ubuntu with u's |
| 06:10.51 | liars | uhmmm. maybe im crazy, but where is xmms in lenny? |
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| 06:11.13 | nsadmin | what a whin-whin situation! |
| 06:11.31 | nsadmin | xmms2 |
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| 06:12.17 | nsadmin | jigpe: sure... it's a cd image? try to burn a copy |
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| 06:13.36 | kmonk | i wasnt really satisifed with any of the debian compliations out there so i had to roll my own from the base system :) |
| 06:14.01 | nsadmin | so you have linux from scratch then :) |
| 06:14.22 | nsadmin | or did you only install debs? |
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| 06:14.41 | kmonk | almost, debootstrap did alot of the hard work |
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| 06:14.50 | gnz11 | sledge hammer and blowtorch" i'll make that package fit!" |
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| 06:15.02 | kmonk | eheh yep |
| 06:15.34 | kmonk | all you need is 'icewm' and 'worker' and a couple gtk apps sitting on Xorg with a decent kernel... booya! |
| 06:16.08 | campassi | icewm FTW |
| 06:16.23 | gnz11 | but then we can't sell make you download dvd's |
| 06:16.24 | kmonk | by a couple i really mean, a thousand, but yeah funny days |
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| 06:17.45 | kmonk | well' it's not for everybody that's for sure |
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| 06:18.26 | gnz11 | make your own light distro with what you want/need just keep kernel so you caan use apt/aptitude |
| 06:18.44 | liars | did the old xmms package get deprecated? this xmms2 business is not for me :( |
| 06:19.13 | gnz11 | think you can still get/use but they upgraded |
| 06:20.07 | jigpe | nsadmin: installing its now.i already burned |
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| 06:21.18 | kmonk | dont install to ext4' it wont work with official lenny |
| 06:21.23 | kmonk | kernel |
| 06:21.38 | gnz11 | now you tell him |
| 06:21.59 | kmonk | v_v |
| 06:22.23 | jigpe | kmonk nsadmiin i have two partitions. c: is my winblows and d: is for debian |
| 06:23.11 | kmonk | d is empty? just format as ext3 and mount as / |
| 06:23.28 | kmonk | or xfs if you're into that kinda thing :P |
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| 06:23.41 | campassi | just compile a new kernel |
| 06:23.53 | campassi | if you want ext4 support |
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| 06:25.50 | jigpe | kmonk : yah empty.just for debian.i dont need to install or use entire space because i still need winblows to dial weroam pldt.the weroam have builtin user and password and the internet is free for 3 months.so i cannot configure weroam in debian because the weroam have builtin user and pass and it will expire after 3 months |
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| 06:26.32 | neo8848 | hi, would anyone know what plugin/package iceweasel needs to render java applets? |
| 06:26.34 | jigpe | if i know the user and pass ill remove the winblows.but i cant |
| 06:26.47 | jigpe | its a lock in 3 months |
| 06:27.12 | nevyn | neo8848: java is kinda complicated. |
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| 06:27.56 | neo8848 | a... sad.. i was able to get updated sun-java packages, and the java applet started rendring in opera, curiously, not for iceweasel |
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| 06:28.20 | jigpe | kmonk campassi : weroam dial usb modem |
| 06:28.23 | kmonk | neo8848: java-runtime isn't it? |
| 06:28.26 | gnz11 | check repository for jre |
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| 06:29.13 | craigevil | aptitude install sun-java6-plugin :) |
| 06:29.20 | kmonk | jigpe: wercam, dial, usb, modem.... lol? that hurts |
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| 06:30.08 | jigpe | campassi kmonk : this is how to compile debian lenny new kernel right? ok im saving it for after installing debian |
| 06:30.13 | scibotic | Bloody hell, would've been nicer if they actually told you that you need to add ia32- before the package name with ia32-apt-get |
| 06:30.16 | jigpe | http://linuxsaga.com/guide/compiling-a-new-kernel-in-debian |
| 06:30.21 | scibotic | :| |
| 06:30.32 | gnz11 | would work better with full jre wouldn't it |
| 06:30.39 | neo8848 | gnz11: i have a test vbox here in the office for deb lenny, installed java bin / jre / plugin, and it just worked, the iceweasel rendering of java applets |
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| 06:30.55 | gnz11 | cool |
| 06:31.07 | kmonk | jigpe: you're onto it, if you get stuck, come back here. |
| 06:31.19 | neo8848 | unfortunately, although i did install the same packages at home, welll, for opera it did, but not for iceweasel |
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| 06:31.36 | scibotic | Anyway, ia32-apt-get install ia32-gvfs is only returning: E: Couldn't find package ia32-gvfs |
| 06:31.38 | campassi | jigpe, i just compiled a kernel for 2.6.30, i386 |
| 06:31.46 | campassi | got the deb package and all |
| 06:31.55 | campassi | you want it? |
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| 06:32.45 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps is it possible to use dav+ssl+winbind ? |
| 06:32.58 | kmonk | i use liquorix, let someone else do the hard work heheh |
| 06:33.06 | kmonk | liquorix-kernel |
| 06:33.06 | exes | I installed Debian 5 Lenny, but wasn't thinking when updating my sources.list and put in etch. I've since changed to lenny, updating and upgraded... do I have anything to worry about? |
| 06:33.16 | bbelt16ag | i am setting up a webdav share so i can get to my stuff w/o a key |
| 06:33.28 | bbelt16ag | and use my AD users with winbind? |
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| 06:33.59 | jigpe | campassi: sure. can you email it?or i dont know how to get it |
| 06:34.12 | campassi | hrm.. got aol messenger? |
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| 06:34.15 | campassi | or i can rapidshare it |
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| 06:34.56 | jigpe | kmonk: ill use full debian once i get the trick of weroam. |
| 06:35.23 | jigpe | campassi: sorry im not american. i dont have aol.just gmail and ym |
| 06:35.36 | scibotic | Anyone here familiar with ia32-apt-get? |
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| 06:35.39 | jigpe | campassi: and hotmail too |
| 06:35.44 | campassi | hrm.. |
| 06:35.56 | scibotic | I could use some help, need to grab gvfs but it doesn't seem like it wants to let me. |
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| 06:36.44 | campassi | jigpe, is it a laptop? |
| 06:36.50 | campassi | if so, what kind |
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| 06:38.09 | jigpe | campassi Lenovo 14002 |
| 06:38.21 | campassi | ah, cool. |
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| 06:38.31 | campassi | uploading to megaupload |
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| 06:39.03 | campassi | ick |
| 06:39.06 | jigpe | campassi : its not mine.own by my classmate and a close friend that i help him with his internet cafe |
| 06:39.17 | campassi | nvm, i forgot my upload speed sucks. |
| 06:39.21 | campassi | :-( |
| 06:39.21 | campassi | sry |
| 06:39.36 | campassi | that guide should work though |
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| 06:40.59 | jigpe | im going to burn another cd |
| 06:41.09 | jigpe | seems like the installer not working |
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| 06:42.30 | kmonk | not booting? |
| 06:43.04 | jigpe | monk : it boot but it is blank screen or black screen |
| 06:43.17 | jigpe | kmonk : anyways i burn cd |
| 06:43.35 | jigpe | 2 cds to get lucky with debian install |
| 06:44.44 | kmonk | ... i still recommend mepis but, suit yourself; burn it at 8x with DAO |
| 06:45.24 | kmonk | just to make sure |
| 06:45.57 | kmonk | otherwise it has to be graphics related (i think>) try failsafe graphics mode or even text mode installer |
| 06:46.51 | kmonk | i have a tricky one for anyone that's here... what's a foolproof way to gain control over gamma control of hardware framebuffer layers |
| 06:47.16 | kmonk | ie. brigther youtube video's, games etc |
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| 06:47.38 | jigpe | kmonk : are you using debian lenny too? |
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| 06:48.21 | kmonk | nope, squeeze, though it probably reports itself as sid because that'st he host system i installed from |
| 06:48.44 | jigpe | kmonk :i think i will download 5.0.2 |
| 06:48.52 | jigpe | mine is 5.0.1 |
| 06:49.09 | nsadmin | no need to do that.... |
| 06:49.26 | nsadmin | just apt-get upgrade |
| 06:49.57 | jigpe | nsadmin: ok thanks |
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| 06:50.24 | nsadmin | err aptitude upgrade |
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| 06:55.30 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps what is this it had a 4 gig image in my /var/tmp |
| 06:55.31 | bbelt16ag | 7 multicd_image_mount |
| 06:55.42 | bbelt16ag | done know what is was but it made the file. |
| 06:55.47 | bbelt16ag | filled up root |
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| 06:56.34 | kmonk | ok found it.. xgamma -gamma # |
| 06:57.32 | kmonk | looks like you mounted something and shutdown without unmounting, suspending that image in the temporary directory? just a guess, that behavious isn't normal |
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| 07:08.18 | Stumpie | I made this with debian and 100% open source software!! |
| 07:08.27 | Stumpie | http://aliicustomgates.com/video/ |
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| 07:39.18 | npasque | hi to all...someone have installed debian on an usb stick? |
| 07:39.45 | npasque | is it usable or it is too slow? |
| 07:40.42 | torgrimt | npasque: guess that depends on your machine and the configuration of it ;) |
| 07:41.01 | torgrimt | npasque: you can run most of it from memory |
| 07:41.10 | npasque | torgrimt: i want to try it on an eeepc 900a |
| 07:41.23 | torgrimt | npasque: disk io will be slower. |
| 07:41.30 | torgrimt | but after its loaded up, its not so bad |
| 07:41.37 | DebianDuck | reading is torerable but writng is very painful.. but usable to me |
| 07:41.52 | npasque | torgrimt: mmm i need to reduce the writes on disk |
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| 07:42.46 | npasque | DebianDuck: have you used so much tmpfs? |
| 07:43.07 | DebianDuck | oh no, i use only default setting |
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| 07:45.12 | npasque | DebianDuck: and with a normal format setting? block size, etc ? |
| 07:45.35 | DebianDuck | disk caching ablility of linux kernel, it gives performance to very slow i/o, but large size i/o makes very painful waiting |
| 07:46.24 | DebianDuck | normal format setting, I dont know about fs setting |
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| 07:47.54 | TrentH | Hello! |
| 07:48.06 | TrentH | I'm in need with help. |
| 07:48.11 | TrentH | of help* |
| 07:48.27 | TrentH | I can't get 2.5.8 pidgin installed. |
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| 07:48.57 | TrentH | I try to install it, but it never does, i've tried to manually install it but still nothing. |
| 07:49.43 | Open | hi, I'm a little unhappy with Nautilus - it seems so minimal. What do you guys use? I'd like a status bar that is always visible (like Konq) and tabbed browsing, any suggestion that plays well with Debian? |
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| 07:50.12 | TrentH | Open, lol you seem smart care to help me? |
| 07:50.25 | liars | if you think nautilus is too barebones you would hate pcman, but i love it :) to each their own |
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| 07:51.12 | TrentH | Somebody help me install Pidgin? Well update it atleast? |
| 07:51.46 | TrentH | Maybe i'm not asking correctly? |
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| 07:52.24 | weldan__ | apt-get install pidgin <- ? |
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| 07:53.07 | TrentH | Weldan, I need to upgrade pidgin. |
| 07:53.28 | TrentH | I'm on an older version now that Synaptic provides, but I want to upgrade. And when I go to Force version it doesn't work? |
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| 07:54.31 | TrentH | Sorry, when I got to "Force Version" via Synaptic it doesn't allow me. |
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| 07:55.28 | liars | TrentH: what repos do you have in sources.list ? |
| 07:56.04 | TrentH | Uhm... |
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| 07:56.13 | TrentH | How do I check that again? |
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| 07:56.40 | liars | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:57.01 | delcoyote | hi |
| 07:57.43 | TrentH | How do I post a pastebin? |
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| 07:58.01 | TrentH | Lol nevermind, i'm new to Debian/Linux give me a bit guys. |
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| 07:58.43 | Tiffon | nas |
| 07:59.04 | TrentH | Here we go. http://paste.debian.net/43290/ |
| 07:59.35 | npasque | DebianDuck: if i use a live .img, can i use it as my system? |
| 08:00.50 | TrentH | Liars: Is that ok? |
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| 08:01.27 | liars | TrentH: yeah thats ok, but its stable sources only |
| 08:01.41 | liars | TrentH: so if you want newer packages you'll have to do two things |
| 08:02.24 | TrentH | I'm ready to listen. :) |
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| 08:02.37 | DebianDuck | npasque: I had installed from stock debain5.0 install cd, little much times needed.. but it is tolerable and usable to me.. of course it slow especially massive writing. |
| 08:02.40 | liars | ok locate the file /etc/apt/apt.conf, create it if it doesnt exist |
| 08:03.02 | liars | and add this line, without quotes "APT::Default-Release "stable";" |
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| 08:03.10 | TrentH | ok. |
| 08:04.01 | TrentH | Liars: How do I create a new text file? |
| 08:04.13 | liars | touch /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 08:04.24 | liars | then nano or gedit the file |
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| 08:05.19 | TrentH | APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 08:05.21 | TrentH | Like that? |
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| 08:05.31 | liars | yup |
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| 08:05.39 | liars | ok now we are going to modify your sources.list |
| 08:05.42 | liars | go back to /etc/apt |
| 08:05.46 | liars | and nano sources.list |
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| 08:06.22 | TrentH | k |
| 08:06.36 | liars | erm. you only have cd sources. ok lets add a new repo |
| 08:07.05 | liars | add the line "deb http://149.20.20.135/debian/ testing main" |
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| 08:07.28 | TrentH | without quotes? |
| 08:07.36 | liars | i dont know what mirror is faster for you, theres a tool to select a proper mirror, one sec |
| 08:07.36 | TrentH | Nevermind, it is. |
| 08:07.40 | liars | yeah w/o quotes |
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| 08:09.50 | TrentH | Liars, your still looking? |
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| 08:10.09 | liars | ah right, netselect |
| 08:10.09 | liars | later if u want to find a faster mirror, try the command "netselect-apt testing" |
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| 08:10.09 | liars | anyway for the time being run apt-get update |
| 08:10.26 | liars | yeah? |
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| 08:11.05 | TrentH | K 1 sec |
| 08:11.09 | TrentH | Thanks for your help. |
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| 08:11.37 | TrentH | It seems to be updating. |
| 08:12.26 | TrentH | Ok so that should let me update Pidgin? |
| 08:12.57 | liars | one more step |
| 08:13.04 | TrentH | K, what else? |
| 08:13.07 | liars | run apt-get check first, then apt-get upgrade |
| 08:13.13 | liars | nothing should want to upgrade |
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| 08:14.00 | TrentH | Do I need to close Pidgin to continue the upgrade? |
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| 08:14.16 | liars | yeah |
| 08:14.20 | TrentH | Alright thank you |
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| 08:14.45 | liars | now run "apt-get -t testing install pidgin" and let me know what it says |
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| 08:29.02 | cAEmpzone-dot-NL | So, I try to use dctc an gets lots of 'setsock or bind: Permission denied' |
| 08:30.00 | cAEmpzone-dot-NL | and I have no clue what to do about it |
| 08:30.26 | cAEmpzone-dot-NL | or wait.. maybe it's trying to use too low port numbers |
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| 08:31.14 | cAEmpzone-dot-NL | aye.. |
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| 08:38.37 | scream_ | cAEmpzone-dot-NL, i also couldn't get this abomination to work and gave up on DC :) |
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| 08:39.41 | Open | My connection dropped :\ I'd greatly appreciate if someone can pm me anything that I missed |
| 08:39.52 | Open | to this question: <Open> hi, I'm a little unhappy with Nautilus - it seems so minimal. What do you guys use? I'd like a status bar that is always visible (like Konq) and tabbed browsing, any suggestion that plays well with Debian? |
| 08:40.25 | liars | night all |
| 08:40.34 | petemc | Open: seems obvious but what about iceweasel/firefox |
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| 08:41.08 | Open | petemc, a file browser |
| 08:41.30 | craigevil | if you like konq why not use it or dolphin |
| 08:41.39 | Open | not a web browser. I know it can be used as a file browser, but I'd prefer something that's primarily meant to be used as a file browser |
| 08:43.01 | Open | I'm on gnome, by the way. And, quite frankly, I'm surprised that people use such a minimal browser. I was expecting a response like "Oh, no one uses that -- just apt-get install XYX, everyone uses that" |
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| 08:46.08 | hark | Open: you can for non spatial mode, in preferences look for -> Always open in browser windows |
| 08:46.47 | hark | ^go |
| 08:46.58 | Open | hark, yes!! Beautiful, thanks. |
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| 08:51.12 | hark | np, nautilus has tabbed browsing as well, but only from testing onwards |
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| 08:52.09 | Open | yep, 2.6 onwards, it seems, and stable (which I have) has 2.2 |
| 08:54.54 | npasque | how can i make persistant a live distribuition?ù |
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| 08:56.58 | cahoot | npasque: here's one url: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/create-your-own-live-linux-cd-or-usb-distribution/ |
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| 08:58.34 | SanjaUbuntu | can anyone help me please |
| 08:58.43 | SanjaUbuntu | is there command line boot option |
| 08:58.48 | SanjaUbuntu | for just text mode only |
| 08:58.59 | SanjaUbuntu | i have no cd-rom and have tried recovery mode |
| 08:59.05 | SanjaUbuntu | it doesn't help |
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| 08:59.41 | lvh | SanjaUbuntu: Distro/release? |
| 09:00.02 | SanjaUbuntu | Ubuntu 9.01 i think |
| 09:00.04 | SanjaUbuntu | pls wait |
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| 09:00.17 | lvh | I'd probably end up doing it with init=/bin/bash |
| 09:00.23 | lvh | SanjaUbuntu: This is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 09:00.42 | SanjaUbuntu | it is 9.04 |
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| 09:00.54 | SanjaUbuntu | sorry, I thought it was almost the same |
| 09:00.59 | lvh | SanjaUbuntu: It's still Ubuntu, not Debian. |
| 09:01.18 | SanjaUbuntu | ok, before i go |
| 09:01.18 | lvh | SanjaUbuntu: Nope. There's a gazillion debian-based distributions. |
| 09:01.32 | SanjaUbuntu | should i try init=/bin/bash? |
| 09:02.08 | lvh | SanjaUbuntu: Probably not. It's what I'd do, but I'd be amazed if Ubuntu didn't have a way to interrupt the init process and *not* start GDM. |
| 09:02.45 | SanjaUbuntu | tnx lvh |
| 09:02.50 | SanjaUbuntu | btw gazillion is not a number :) |
| 09:02.52 | SanjaUbuntu | c-ya |
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| 09:06.34 | jaalto | which /proc file can be used to check if CPU has multiple cores? |
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| 09:07.03 | abchirk_ | jaalto, cpuinfo |
| 09:08.08 | jaalto | abchirk_: thanks |
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| 09:09.36 | Whoop | Does anyone know how I can specify that a partition shouldn't be formatted within my preseed file? |
| 09:09.52 | Whoop | I'd normally put ext3, ext4, xfs etc, what do I put, "none"? |
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| 09:11.17 | jeeves | how do I isolate zombie processes? |
| 09:12.49 | Dassu | There are few ways to stop zombie virus from spreading. One of them is to build huge over 10m wall. |
| 09:13.04 | Dassu | with a guard towers witha powerful lights |
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| 09:15.00 | cantido | jeeves: What do you want to do? find out the reason it's turned zombie? |
| 09:15.16 | jeeves | cantido, yes. my laptop has 2 of them |
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| 09:17.16 | cantido | jeeves: you shouldn't really worry about them, they will go away eventually or after a reboot anyhoo |
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| 09:18.12 | jeeves | cantido, ahhh, ok, I have a CLI only server that I seldomly reboot, so I was also concered about that server |
| 09:18.31 | cantido | jeeves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_process |
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| 09:19.09 | jeeves | cantido, thank you. Also, is there a recommened IRC server that I can attach to freenode as another server on the list? |
| 09:19.55 | cantido | freenode probably has a server they recommend |
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| 09:20.40 | jeeves | cantido, hummmmm, I'd like to add a node to freenode to "give back" to the community who have helped me |
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| 09:21.17 | TrentH | Liars; Are you there? |
| 09:21.49 | sobersabre | hi. I have messed somehow my pkg selection with --clear-selections |
| 09:22.03 | jigpe | nsadmin kmonk campassi: still woke up?i end up burn 4 cds.there's a problem with the cds i have hehehe.the 4th cd is working |
| 09:22.11 | sobersabre | so, when I'm running aptitude many packages are signed for removal, etc. |
| 09:22.16 | TrentH | I can't upgrade Pidgin to 2.5.8 it won't allow me through Synaptic Package Manager. |
| 09:22.43 | sobersabre | is there a way (except going through ALL the installed packages manually) to make sure my packages are NOT selected for removal ? |
| 09:23.00 | sobersabre | (I'm on Lenny) |
| 09:23.19 | TrentH | Lenny is being a Stooge. |
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| 09:23.26 | TrentH | It won't let me install Pidgin. LOL. |
| 09:23.33 | kmonk | so how do i set the standard resolution? |
| 09:23.37 | cantido | sobersabre: aptitude has a cancel pending changes option.. or just do + on the installed packages line |
| 09:23.48 | kmonk | seeing as xorg.conf is empty these days |
| 09:24.02 | azeem_ | TrentH: lenny does not have pidgin-2.5.8 |
| 09:24.08 | TrentH | :( |
| 09:24.17 | TrentH | There is unstable versions though that I want. |
| 09:24.24 | TrentH | I can't get them to install. |
| 09:24.30 | azeem_ | unstable is not supported here |
| 09:24.38 | kmonk | try ayttm |
| 09:24.40 | azeem_ | maybe try the testing version first |
| 09:24.51 | azeem_ | and look for a lenny-backport of it |
| 09:24.55 | TrentH | The testing version doesn't resolve my Yahoo Messenger problem. |
| 09:25.08 | TrentH | There is a lenny backport for 2.5.8 that I can't get installed. |
| 09:25.32 | sobersabre | cantido: super cool! |
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| 09:25.40 | kmonk | alternatively you could just grab the binary installer from the wesbite |
| 09:25.40 | azeem_ | TrentH: "can't get installed" is not an adequate error description |
| 09:25.40 | sobersabre | it helped me a lot! |
| 09:25.47 | azeem_ | pastebin the output you get |
| 09:26.15 | cantido | sobersabre: you've probably lost all the info about your automatically install packages though :/ |
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| 09:26.43 | TrentH | Well here we go. |
| 09:27.06 | kmonk | so again :p |
| 09:27.07 | TrentH | Anybody recommend a good IRC Debian client? |
| 09:27.12 | azeem_ | irssi |
| 09:27.16 | kmonk | weechat :D |
| 09:27.34 | kmonk | if you dont like consoles though, xchat seems to fit the bill |
| 09:27.55 | kmonk | i want, to know, how do i set standard resolution :s |
| 09:28.07 | kmonk | dont really want to run xrandr everytime i bootup |
| 09:28.27 | TrentH | Also Azeem_ when I click pidgin in Synaptic and go to Force version and select the version and press apply it doesn't do anything. |
| 09:28.54 | craigevil | TrentH: aptitude -t lenny-backports install pidgin |
| 09:29.14 | TrentH | That is the command i'm talking about <3 Craig |
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| 09:29.22 | TrentH | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 09:29.22 | TrentH | E: Unable to lock the download directory |
| 09:29.31 | TrentH | Thats what I get when trying to install weechat. |
| 09:29.32 | azeem_ | TrentH: that means you still got synaptic running |
| 09:29.40 | e7th04sh | hello, o debian users! |
| 09:29.53 | kmonk | hi dude ^)^ |
| 09:30.06 | TrentH | Now it's working<3 |
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| 09:31.01 | e7th04sh | what would be best lightweight image editor? i wanna do a simple webcomic, same style like xkcd |
| 09:31.01 | kmonk | in weechat it's /j #debian to login, not /join |
| 09:31.20 | azeem_ | kmonk: I'm sure /join works as well |
| 09:31.26 | TrentH | Quick question... |
| 09:31.29 | e7th04sh | gimp is good, but i don't need all the stuff it has |
| 09:31.40 | TrentH | I installed Weechat through Synaptic, and I don't see an icon for it? |
| 09:31.56 | e7th04sh | perhaps you need to run in through console |
| 09:31.56 | kmonk | you run it from a terminal |
| 09:31.59 | azeem_ | TrentH: apparently it's a console application, not a GNOME/KDE app |
| 09:31.59 | e7th04sh | or make icon yourself |
| 09:32.16 | TrentH | oooo >.> /slaps self |
| 09:32.22 | kmonk | lol ^_^ |
| 09:32.41 | TrentH | How exactly do I use it kmonk? |
| 09:32.59 | kmonk | i only make suggestions that have little deps. |
| 09:33.10 | kmonk | open a terminal |
| 09:33.19 | kmonk | type man weechat |
| 09:33.20 | TrentH | Yes. |
| 09:33.23 | e7th04sh | so, anyone could tell me what can use instead of gimp? |
| 09:33.32 | kmonk | hit enter |
| 09:33.34 | TrentH | theres no manual for weechat |
| 09:33.35 | TrentH | lol. |
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| 09:33.53 | casa | ciao |
| 09:33.58 | kmonk | oh :p |
| 09:34.00 | casa | list! |
| 09:34.10 | TrentH | So I demand you give teh knowledge. |
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| 09:34.24 | kmonk | it's /nick "nickname" /connect "server" /j #channel |
| 09:34.36 | TrentH | Guess i'll google. |
| 09:35.08 | kmonk | you do that |
| 09:35.31 | e7th04sh | slaps TrentH around with "Internet. Paper edition." |
| 09:35.44 | e7th04sh | ;p |
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| 09:35.48 | ik1ngz | Hah |
| 09:35.54 | rdz | hi all. aptitude wants to upgrade the package 'linux-image-2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64', altough the exact same version is already installed. the version string of the installed version and the one of the packages, that is going to be installed is both '2.6.26-17'. is that to be expected? if so, is there some info about the change? it looks to me like having to reboot for no obvious reason. |
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| 09:36.10 | ik1ngz | Uh...... |
| 09:36.16 | ik1ngz | How do I change my nickname? |
| 09:36.34 | azeem_ | ik1ngz: read you irc client's documentation |
| 09:36.41 | kmonk | hey e7th04sh, tried inkscape? svg's are good for comics |
| 09:36.51 | ik1ngz | What server is this? lol. |
| 09:36.56 | its_secret | kmonk, yeah i made a flag in inkscape |
| 09:37.00 | azeem_ | rdz: what does "dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 | tail -1" say? |
| 09:37.01 | its_secret | always think it's inkspace :D |
| 09:37.02 | azeem_ | ik1ngz: see above |
| 09:37.27 | ik1ngz | freenode.irc ? |
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| 09:37.36 | kmonk | yep, it owns those vectors |
| 09:37.40 | azeem_ | ik1ngz: do you have a debian question? |
| 09:37.44 | rdz | azeem_, "ii linux-image-2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 2.6.26-17 Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64, OpenVZ support" |
| 09:37.46 | ik1ngz | This is TrentH |
| 09:37.56 | FilipeMaia | How can I figure the cause of high load on a file sever? |
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| 09:38.00 | ik1ngz | I'm trying to change my nickname. But it's being a stooge. |
| 09:38.06 | kmonk | oh... /nick TrentH |
| 09:38.14 | cantido | FilipeMaia: top |
| 09:38.16 | ik1ngz | It don't work. |
| 09:38.27 | azeem_ | rdz: well, it won't upgrade a package if the version did not change |
| 09:38.27 | e7th04sh | it doesn;t work, amirite? |
| 09:38.29 | rdz | azeem_, aptitude show linux-image-2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 | grep Version : "Version: 2.6.26-17" |
| 09:38.31 | FilipeMaia | cantido, top doesn't seem to show anything unusual |
| 09:38.45 | npasque | how can i make persistent a live usb? |
| 09:38.50 | kmonk | you're doing it wrong!!! install vnc and give me total controll over your computer |
| 09:38.59 | cantido | npasque: you can't |
| 09:39.02 | e7th04sh | inkscape is good, but it's too more work than i need, am i wrong? |
| 09:39.04 | azeem_ | kmonk: uh what? |
| 09:39.11 | rdz | azeem_, is there an additional minor version that is not displayed by aptitude ? |
| 09:39.13 | cantido | npasque: if it uses a ram fs anyhow |
| 09:39.14 | ik1ngz | Haha |
| 09:39.15 | trumpen | FilipeMaia, for I/O load try pidstat -d 1 |
| 09:39.17 | ik1ngz | No. |
| 09:39.23 | FilipeMaia | trumpen, thanks |
| 09:39.27 | rdz | azeem_, to me, both versions look exactly the same.. |
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| 09:39.33 | npasque | cantido: with "live persisten" parmeter?ù |
| 09:39.40 | rdz | azeem_, and still, aptitude wants to upgrade |
| 09:39.41 | e7th04sh | iklngx |
| 09:39.42 | ik1ngz | craig, what command did you type for me? |
| 09:39.52 | azeem_ | rdz: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64" |
| 09:39.58 | e7th04sh | ik1ngz, you need to make parts work first |
| 09:40.01 | rdz | azeem_, and this is on all machines, that have this package installed, not only on one |
| 09:40.04 | e7th04sh | ik1ngz, type "/part" |
| 09:40.11 | azeem_ | e7th04sh: what? |
| 09:40.13 | ik1ngz | what? |
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| 09:40.17 | e7th04sh | :D |
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| 09:40.20 | craigevil | aptitude -t lenny-backports install pidgin |
| 09:40.22 | cantido | npasque: if the live distro has a readonly fs and keeps everything else in ram you can't unless that live distro has some option for writting back the changes |
| 09:40.22 | ik1ngz | That wasn't very nice. |
| 09:40.27 | e7th04sh | lol, just kidding :P |
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| 09:40.30 | e7th04sh | no offence please |
| 09:40.31 | cantido | npasque: that would be in the docs for said live distro |
| 09:40.42 | TrentH | There we go. |
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| 09:40.54 | TrentH | Craig, what did you want me to type again? |
| 09:41.00 | craigevil | TrentH: aptitude -t lenny-backports install pidgin |
| 09:41.00 | azeem | e7th04sh: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for giving ill advice |
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| 09:41.07 | kmonk | cantido: there's sometimes kernel parametors you can add like 'persist' |
| 09:41.22 | rdz | azeem, http://www.pastebin.ca/1517729 |
| 09:41.33 | cantido | kmonk: that's going to be specific to the live distro in question though isn't it |
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| 09:41.47 | npasque | cantido: so how can i have a persistent distro on an usb stick?? |
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| 09:41.50 | kmonk | indeed |
| 09:41.54 | azeem | rdz: Candidate: 2.6.26-17lenny1 |
| 09:41.59 | rdz | azeem, thanks |
| 09:42.00 | negge | what would be the best channel to ask about licensing issues? |
| 09:42.16 | TrentH | Craigevil: Thank you kind sir. |
| 09:42.20 | rdz | azeem, can i find some details about the security fixes somewhere? |
| 09:42.45 | cantido | npasque: you install a normal distro that doesn't use compressed readonly filesystems like most CD/USB based live systems do |
| 09:42.51 | negge | npasque: you just choose to install the distro the the USB stick, just like you would install it on a regular hard drive |
| 09:42.51 | azeem | on the debian-security-announce mailing list probably |
| 09:42.58 | kmonk | npasque: go to pendrivelinux.com for that info, |
| 09:43.37 | kmonk | or just get bombarded by it here O_O |
| 09:43.47 | TrentH | IT WORKS CRAIG |
| 09:44.03 | npasque | cantido, negge, kmonk: there isn't a .img yet ready for use? |
| 09:44.04 | ewook | does caps work? |
| 09:44.18 | cAEmpzone-dot-NL | scream_ yeah.. after i got it working I found out it's only the DC++ core, and apparently there aren't any ncurses (or other textbased) UIs for it. |
| 09:44.22 | cantido | npasque: probably, but that's for you to goggle |
| 09:44.28 | cAEmpzone-dot-NL | so I gave in and installed valknut on my desktop |
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| 09:46.03 | negge | npasque: I don't know. I think you have to make your own. It's not very hard you know, just put in the USB stick and use a CD to install it |
| 09:48.10 | negge | I have created a PHP application that uses one library that is licensed under GPLv2 and PEAR, which is licensed under the BSD license. Does this pose any restrictions to which open source license I could choose if I wanted to distribute my application? (yeah I know it's not a Debian question but I don't know where elese to ask...) |
| 09:49.52 | kmonk | maybe if you read the licences you would know |
| 09:50.06 | kmonk | heh >_<.... i doubt it would be a problem |
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| 09:50.40 | cantido | doesn't php itself link to all sorts of differently licensed libraries? |
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| 09:52.02 | kmonk | your application can impliment whatever licenced programs you want as long as they dont come included |
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| 09:52.30 | kmonk | *licenced programs, libraries, standardised protocols, whatever |
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| 09:53.00 | cantido | kmonk: If it was that simple there wouldn't be the LGPL for libraries ;) |
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| 09:55.09 | negge | kmonk: I've tried to read up a bit on the subject and it seems that if I distribute my program, which includes (parts of) a library that is licensed under the GPLv2, then my project automatically has to be GPL (not BSD, MIT etc.) |
| 09:55.14 | negge | am I correct? |
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| 09:55.36 | cantido | negge: I'm not sure if it's the same for scripts |
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| 09:56.24 | negge | cantido: why would that matter? |
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| 09:56.35 | negge | it's all just source code anyway |
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| 09:56.58 | Marcos-R-C-C | I have a strange problem with KDM in squezee. Fonts are not anti-aliased despite the option for antialiasing fonts in KDM is set. |
| 09:57.04 | negge | I don't personally care what licensed I'd "have" to choose, I just want to make my little script available for the public without braking any copyright laws. |
| 09:57.13 | Marcos-R-C-C | I have searched the web but all say "set the antialiased fonts on" |
| 09:57.15 | cantido | negge: so bash scripts that call gpl'd apps have to be gpl licensed? |
| 09:57.19 | Marcos-R-C-C | which I did |
| 09:57.38 | lvh | negge: I use a BSD-style 3-clause license, because I actually *understand* what it says. |
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| 09:58.36 | TrentH | Hi. |
| 09:58.40 | negge | cantido: hmm, that would indeed be a bit strange. |
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| 09:59.04 | \amethyst | For some reason the FSF considers that linking against a library, even dynamically, makes the executable a derivative work; while calling another program does not |
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| 09:59.10 | negge | lvh: I could probably understand the licenses too if I read them carefully, I'm just not sure which ones I'm allowed to use |
| 09:59.20 | negge | considering I'm using third-party libraries |
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| 09:59.35 | TrentH | Does anyone here use XChat? |
| 09:59.41 | TrentH | And nevermind. |
| 09:59.56 | lvh | negge: Unless you're an IP lawyer (and even then), I doubt you realise the full implications of the GPL :-) |
| 09:59.57 | \amethyst | not sure if it's ever come up whether sourcing a script rather than executing it creates a derivative work |
| 10:00.06 | negge | lvh: maybe not. |
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| 10:00.23 | lvh | negge: If you own copyright to a script (eg you wrote it from scratch) you can use whatever license you want |
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| 10:01.13 | lvh | negge: The problem is that the viral clause is a bit of a GPL gray area. When does it imply that things need to be GPLed, too? I'm not sure. |
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| 10:02.02 | TrentH | Tadah! |
| 10:02.07 | lvh | negge: Most people aren't. They might be opinionated, but not sure. |
| 10:02.12 | negge | lvh: I've written everything from scratch, except I use two third-party classes for a few functions. One is GPLv2, the other BSD |
| 10:02.12 | cantido | lvh: if you link against gpl libraries you are basically including them in your program, so you need to license your stuff as gpl... but that's not always possible, hence libraries are general lgpl |
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| 10:02.37 | themill | (GPL or some other GPL-compatible licence) |
| 10:02.38 | cantido | lvh: for java apps you had the classpath exception as well |
| 10:02.41 | lvh | cantido: Yes, but what does "link" mean? |
| 10:02.45 | negge | cantido: lvh when you're referring to "GPL", does that include GPL version 2? |
| 10:02.51 | lvh | cantido: Link as in ld? |
| 10:03.12 | TrentH | I <3 XChat |
| 10:03.23 | lvh | negge: Either version. |
| 10:03.25 | cantido | lvh: if you statically link, that library is wedged right into your binaries ;P |
| 10:03.33 | \amethyst | the text of the GPL does not say "link" |
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| 10:03.39 | \amethyst | it only says "derivative work" |
| 10:03.43 | lvh | cantido: What \amethyst says. |
| 10:03.48 | TrentH | Is there a way to shortcut typing in the Terminal. Such as when i'm trying to extract a file? |
| 10:03.48 | lvh | cantido: When does it become derivative? |
| 10:03.49 | themill | lvh: dlopen() is considered by debian to be creating a derivative work |
| 10:03.54 | TrentH | A way to "autocomplete" the word? |
| 10:03.57 | negge | lvh: cantido also, if I use just a part of a third-party class (say it's comprised of 100 files, I only use 10), do I need to distribute the complete library or just the files I really use in my work? |
| 10:04.11 | lvh | negge: Create a dependency on the library |
| 10:04.13 | \amethyst | lvh: the law (in the US) is a little vague about that |
| 10:04.34 | lvh | themill: okay, how about I run that GPLed code through a shell and only peek at the output? |
| 10:04.34 | cantido | negge: depends what the license for that class says, if it says you can take it apart, go for it |
| 10:04.39 | neo8848 | asks what's the best available music player in the distribution disks |
| 10:04.48 | negge | cantido: it's GPLv2, I don't know what it says about that. |
| 10:05.08 | cantido | lvh: nvida use a GPL'd proxy for their drivers ... |
| 10:05.27 | lvh | cantido: Okay, so? |
| 10:05.46 | Marcos-R-C-C | /join kde |
| 10:05.48 | cantido | negge: GPLv2 says you're free to use it as you like excluding the things you aren't allowed to do like re-licensing |
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| 10:06.14 | negge | cantido: guess I gotta read the license first... :) |
| 10:07.16 | cantido | lvh: they do exactly what you're suggesting, but even that has rised questions |
| 10:07.35 | lvh | cantido: Yes, that's my point for not using the GPL. I don't understand the implications of it. |
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| 10:10.00 | cantido | I just think it's different for scripts because you're basically just controlling the intepreter, which is then calling libraries/other scripts |
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| 10:10.17 | hanibana | hi all |
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| 10:10.27 | kmonk | hi hanibana :D |
| 10:10.28 | hanibana | I want to configure Postfix to communicate with an LMTP server; the mail is forwaded to this LMTP server (in another host) and delivered to mailbox. I could not find any How-to for such configuration. and there're many postfix parameters related to LMTP; any help or source of information? |
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| 10:10.44 | funcky11 | how do i get samba to allow me to write to other computers in ubuntu? every time i check "allow other people to write in this folder" in samba, then restart, it is unchecked when i go back. what's the problem? |
| 10:10.58 | hanibana | kmonk: how do u do man? |
| 10:11.00 | \amethyst | funcky11: #ubuntu, #samba |
| 10:11.31 | kmonk | im good, just chillin, soaking up all the good information as usual |
| 10:11.59 | hanibana | kmonk: good job, |
| 10:12.04 | negge | cantido: lvh so you're saying that if I don't distribute those third-party files with my program, only make my program "depend" on them, I can choose whatever license I want for my program? |
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| 10:12.09 | cantido | negge: I would avoid including the libs basically, just add into the INSTALL file what libs are needed |
| 10:12.12 | \amethyst | funcky11: changing that setting would, I expect, modify the config file /etc/samba/smb.conf . man smb.conf will tell you what you need in there to create a share and set rights on them |
| 10:12.23 | negge | cantido: that might be a good idea |
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| 10:12.50 | foo-nix | I am trying to setup a static ip on a interface. The connected network has no gateway, but does have some dns-servers. What do I need to fill in by network, broadcast and gateway in this case (i.e. in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 10:13.07 | cantido | negge: If you stick those files into your source tree, it feels to me anyhow that they would have become part of your application |
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| 10:13.18 | funcky11 | \amethyst: translation please? |
| 10:13.21 | nasso | im having some trouble with su/sudo with openvz in debian. when i try to copy /vz/private/1001/home/judge/* it works like it should if i use su to become root first. if i try to do the copy with sudo i get an error saying something like: cp: cant get satus on "/vz/private/1001/home/judge/*": file or directory doesnt exist. does anyone know what might be causing this? |
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| 10:13.26 | petemc | foo-nix: if you have no gateway then dont put anything - wouldnt worry too much about the broadcast either |
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| 10:13.35 | \amethyst | funcky11: go to #samba and ask there |
| 10:13.40 | foo-nix | petemc, and network? |
| 10:13.41 | \amethyst | funcky11: or #ubuntu |
| 10:13.50 | funcky11 | i have |
| 10:13.54 | negge | cantido: basically they are a part of my program whether I include them or not because my program's functionality depends on them |
| 10:13.57 | funcky11 | already |
| 10:14.01 | funcky11 | no response |
| 10:14.01 | petemc | foo-nix: should be fine without that, address and netmask should be sufficient |
| 10:14.08 | kmonk | nasso: is your user in the /etc/sudoers file? |
| 10:14.09 | funcky11 | that's why i came here |
| 10:14.18 | nasso | kmonk, |
| 10:14.19 | foo-nix | petemc, kk, thanx |
| 10:14.30 | nasso | kmonk, yes. sudo works for everything elve |
| 10:14.31 | nasso | else |
| 10:15.17 | nasso | kmonk, the user is ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 10:15.17 | \amethyst | funcky11: see if the file /etc/samba/smb.conf changes when you change the setting... if not, see if you can change the setting as root |
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| 10:15.31 | \amethyst | funcky11: but I don't know how you're supposed to do that in Ubuntu |
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| 10:15.54 | donkeyofdarkness | o hai |
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| 10:16.45 | hakr | Does anyone have any ideas about running OpenPanel on Lenny? |
| 10:16.58 | cantido | negge: yup legal mine field. Some guy that did some Java work for us once just stuck the app on one cd and backhanded another cd with the libraries on to avoid this issue. |
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| 10:17.45 | nasso | kmonk, this is annoying as hell. im writing a script and i want to use sudo in it... |
| 10:17.53 | eekee | Hi, every time I apt-get install anything I'm told the packages cannot be authenticates and am asked if I want to install without verification |
| 10:17.58 | foo-nix | I have two networkinterfaces configured, one wireless for internet and one wired with a static ip for some fancy geek network in my appartmentblock. Whenever I use an IP, will it automatically find out which interface to use? I.e. configuring the namenservers is something done globally instead of per interface? |
| 10:18.09 | negge | cantido: hehe |
| 10:18.23 | \amethyst | nasso: the glob (*) is expanded by the shell running sudo, not sudo itself |
| 10:18.41 | \amethyst | nasso: meaning it uses the shell's privileges to search for files in home/judge |
| 10:18.51 | negge | cantido: my "program" is still at least weeks away from being "distribution ready" so I have some time to think about how to do it and which license to choose. |
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| 10:18.57 | kmonk | eekee: you need the gpg keyring for that repository |
| 10:18.59 | nasso | eekee, test sudo apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 10:19.12 | nasso | eekee, and then sudo apt-get update |
| 10:19.24 | \amethyst | nasso: if you want to expand the glob as root, you will need to run a shell as root. e.g. sudo sh -c 'cp /vz/private/1001/home/judge/* dest' |
| 10:19.29 | eekee | nasso: it's up to date. maybe it's broken in the mirror I'm using |
| 10:19.42 | cantido | negge: I'd just avoiding distributing anything that isn't your own. you can get GPL lawyers these days though :/ |
| 10:20.09 | nasso | \amethyst, aaah. great :) |
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| 10:20.54 | kmonk | gpl lawyers? so not all lawyers are evil? :D |
| 10:21.11 | nasso | \amethyst, it worked like a charm :) thanks alot! |
| 10:21.18 | negge | cantido: I guess you're right. Sounds more reasonable too. |
| 10:21.25 | cantido | kmonk: I don't think they're all evil, they're all expensive though heh |
| 10:21.59 | nasso | eekee, tried another mirror? |
| 10:22.12 | nasso | eekee, are you using any unofficial mirror? |
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| 10:24.12 | TrentH | Where is my kernal installed? |
| 10:24.14 | \amethyst | eekee: what is the key it's complaining about? It should give you a hexadecimal fingerprint of the key in the error message |
| 10:24.16 | themill | negge: you need to think about licensing fairly early on as it determines what libraries you are able to use. You don't want to end up in a situation where you have two libraries with mutually incompatible licences in your program |
| 10:24.30 | nasso | TrentH, /boot |
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| 10:24.58 | TrentH | nasso the direct path to kernal is just /boot |
| 10:25.21 | TrentH | What is the name of the file? |
| 10:25.24 | \amethyst | TrentH: no, it's /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) |
| 10:25.39 | \amethyst | TrentH: usually anyway, that can be changed |
| 10:25.41 | TrentH | Thank you. |
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| 10:26.00 | \amethyst | TrentH: also the corresponding initrd.img, if any, is important |
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| 10:26.03 | eekee | nasso: yep, the one provided by my vhost provider :-J |
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| 10:26.51 | eekee | \amethyst: no key fingerprint. O.o |
| 10:26.58 | nasso | eekee, okay. do you have any support with them? i dont think i can help you. maybe they can or someone else here... |
| 10:27.10 | TrentH | $ ./configure --with-isapnp=no --with-cards=ctxfi,ca0106,hda-intel --with-moddir=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/alsa |
| 10:27.10 | TrentH | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.14 | eekee | yeah I'll call them |
| 10:27.25 | TrentH | I'm trying to install X-FI Titanium Pro series soundcard. |
| 10:27.28 | \amethyst | eekee: could you pastebin the output of a complete apt run that gives you the error message? |
| 10:27.41 | \amethyst | eekee: it should be in there somewhere |
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| 10:28.53 | TrentH | Amuthyst, can you provide assistance on that? |
| 10:29.20 | eekee | \amethyst: http://sprunge.us/GPbJ |
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| 10:29.44 | enouf | TrentH: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 10:29.46 | TrentH | --with-cards=ctxfi,ca0106,hda-intel --with-moddir=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/alsa |
| 10:29.46 | TrentH | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.01 | TrentH | enouf: it's a "source" that I have to compile? |
| 10:30.02 | \amethyst | eekee: is mirrors.gandi.net your host's mirror? |
| 10:30.07 | eekee | \amethyst: yeah |
| 10:30.07 | enouf | TrentH: i can tell |
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| 10:30.31 | TrentH | enouf: if I type /msg dpkg it'll just make the file for me? |
| 10:30.50 | enouf | TrentH: no, it's a command for your irc client to msg the bot |
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| 10:30.55 | enouf | the channel bot, that is |
| 10:30.57 | TrentH | oh |
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| 10:31.13 | \amethyst | eekee: hm, I wonder if they simply aren't signing their packages list |
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| 10:31.23 | themill | dpkg: tell TrentH about doesn't work |
| 10:31.41 | TrentH | what? |
| 10:31.46 | \amethyst | eekee: I guess they added their own packages to the same repository they use as their Debian mirror? |
| 10:32.09 | TrentH | heh |
| 10:32.11 | TrentH | I'm SOL. |
| 10:32.12 | eekee | \amethyst: it's possible they added a few, but why linux-kernel-headers libc6-dev |
| 10:32.15 | eekee | gcc... |
| 10:32.37 | eekee | actually when I ran an upgrade just now every package was unsigned |
| 10:32.53 | \amethyst | eekee: those are standard Debian packages, though without checking the md5sum of the deb you'd have to trust them about that |
| 10:32.56 | themill | eekee: perhaps pastebin the output "aptitude update" for us |
| 10:33.12 | enouf | TrentH: a) have you read whatever README and INSTALL came with your source? b) was that ./configure generated using autoconf? c) pastebin command and entire output (or show relevant sections if too much) and d) which Debian suite/release and which kernel? |
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| 10:33.54 | eekee | themill: http://sprunge.us/DjIT |
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| 10:34.37 | groton | anyone know how to restore a dmraid device under debian squeeze? I am getting error "root(nvidia_cjjaabbcd1) error parsing number" while booting a mirrored 2 disk raid |
| 10:34.40 | TrentH | There isn't one. |
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| 10:34.43 | eekee | I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade earlier, & then this started :) |
| 10:34.45 | Roland | Hi. After connecting a usb-to-serial converter to a embedded computer, I create the serial port with "mknod /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 0" but when i try to write anything to the port, nothing seems to be going through. (Debian Etch on 2.6.27) |
| 10:34.48 | Shtl | i am trying to install ns-2 (network simulation tool) on Lenny, error getting is http://pastebin.com/m5488d538, can any one help me which package i need to install??? |
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| 10:35.37 | Roland | Anyone care to elaborate, what could be the issue, I'm having? |
| 10:35.42 | kmonk | Roland: just a guess, do you need firmware for that converter? |
| 10:35.50 | \amethyst | eekee: the signature is on the Release file; if they modified that, e.g. by adding their own packages to the repository, apt cannot verify the Release file and thus can't trust the content of archive |
| 10:36.06 | themill | Roland: mknod shouldn't be required. udev should do that for you although you may need to modprobe the right module first |
| 10:36.06 | eekee | \amethyst: ah ty |
| 10:36.26 | \amethyst | eekee: though it appears there is some kind of signature, since the apt-get update output fetched Release.gpg from their archive |
| 10:36.33 | themill | eekee, \amethyst: but "apt-get update" should bitch about that and it doesn't seem to |
| 10:36.37 | Roland | kmonk, the drivers are built into kernel, and those ttyUSB devices aren't created during bootup |
| 10:36.57 | themill | Roland: do you know what chipset the usb-serial converter is using? |
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| 10:37.08 | Roland | usb 1-1.3: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0 |
| 10:37.14 | Roland | FT4232H |
| 10:37.21 | eekee | \amethyst: I think it's fixed |
| 10:37.27 | cantido | hmm the FTDI chips don't need firmware |
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| 17:51.45 | eekee | I have a root for it, I can boot to initrd, everything's set up except no nfs client |
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| 17:52.07 | kenjy | hi guys, I can't make work xorg on a power mac g4 with a ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS, Xorg say: (EE) R128(0): Failed to open framebuffer device, consult warnings and/or errors above for possible reasons, I tryed the ati open source driver and r128 open source driver but I can't make it work, ¿can you help me? |
| 17:52.22 | Gent | Has anyone here had problems with Debian's PHP install with the Sohusin patch, particularly with odbc_fetch_row? |
| 17:52.32 | cantido | eekee: nfs client?.. I don't think you actually need anything but the kernel modes to mount nfs |
| 17:52.35 | Gent | causing canary mismatch errors and scripts aborting when memory is freed? |
| 17:52.48 | cantido | Gent: 5.2.10 is broken I think |
| 17:52.55 | Gent | this is 5.2.6 |
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| 17:53.19 | Gent | PHP 5.2.6-1+lenny3 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 (cli) (built: Apr 26 2009 22:16:23) |
| 17:53.25 | cantido | really?.. if you read up on the canary mismatch thing it's apparently bugs in php/modules |
| 17:53.28 | boklin | hi |
| 17:53.30 | eekee | cantido: yeah |
| 17:53.36 | Gent | I don't think it is a bug... |
| 17:53.49 | Gent | after having read nearly every article... |
| 17:53.55 | Gent | at least not with PHP/modules |
| 17:54.03 | cantido | Gent: simple solution is just to remove suhosin |
| 17:54.06 | Gent | in this case I think it's probably the proprietary odbc driver |
| 17:54.14 | darkblue_B | re: symlink.. I just made each dir seperate volumes, instead of a symlink from the home dir, and it seems to be working |
| 17:54.21 | cantido | Gent: yep, could well be that |
| 17:54.22 | Gent | well, the thing I'm really looking to understand |
| 17:54.32 | kenjy | the output of xorg and the log are here: http://pastebin.com/m7830b6f1 Can you help me? |
| 17:54.36 | Gent | is if whether or not simulation mode actually stops sohusin from exiting |
| 17:54.39 | Gent | or causing PHP to exit |
| 17:55.05 | Gent | because if that's legitimately the same as having it without sohusin, from an erroring out and dying perspective |
| 17:55.08 | Gent | I'm happy with that answer |
| 17:55.26 | kenjy | can you help me with xorg? |
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| 17:56.11 | cantido | Gent: when suhosin see's the memory thing it the script exits if that's what you mean? without suhosin it would probably continue |
| 17:56.24 | Gent | hrm... |
| 17:56.37 | Gent | I really wish debian would include a non-sohusin version |
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| 17:56.44 | cantido | Gent: just remove the module |
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| 17:56.56 | Gent | it's built against a patch |
| 17:56.59 | Gent | is my understanding |
| 17:57.01 | Gent | PHP itself |
| 17:57.06 | cantido | there's a patch and a module |
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| 17:57.09 | Gent | the module is only half of it, the patch is the other half which it's compiled against |
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| 17:57.21 | Gent | well it does the same thing without the module |
| 17:57.22 | cantido | if you remove the module the canary thing goes away |
| 17:57.26 | Gent | so I assumed the patch is what matters |
| 17:57.29 | apokryphos | is there a way to make a shortcut for the paste that happens when you middle-click? |
| 17:57.32 | cantido | really? :/ |
| 17:57.34 | Gent | it doesn't in my case |
| 17:57.39 | Gent | my understanding is the patch provides just logging |
| 17:57.43 | Gent | so it still errors with that |
| 17:57.55 | racecar56 | the wireless toggle button isn't working, using a bcm4318 and i have b43-fwcutter and the b43 module is loaded |
| 17:57.57 | Gent | but what I understood is that it shouldn't die, unless PHP is dying otherwise due to the issue it's picking up on |
| 17:58.02 | eshat | When will KDE 4.3 be in unstable ? |
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| 17:58.08 | Gent | also the same if you run with the extension in simulation mode |
| 17:58.09 | kenjy | hi guys, I can't make work xorg on a power mac g4 with a ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS, Xorg say: (EE) R128(0): Failed to open framebuffer device, consult warnings and/or errors above for possible reasons, I tryed the ati open source driver and r128 open source driver but I can't make it work, ¿can you help me? |
| 17:58.12 | Gent | it should log the errors/problems |
| 17:58.15 | Gent | but it should not die |
| 17:58.30 | stew | Gent: ahve you tried taking out the suhosin extension? |
| 17:58.40 | Gent | I started without the sohusin extension |
| 17:58.44 | cantido | Gent: I haven't used php in lenny.. but with 5.2.10 it was hitting that canary error and the scripts were exiting |
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| 17:58.54 | Gent | I added it because I thought perhaps simulation mode (which can only be enabled with the extension) would do less dying |
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| 17:59.53 | Gent | I actually trust sohusin is doing it's job right for the most part... and I presume something is being done wrong in odbc or the pervasive sql driver... I was running 5.2.3 PHP on Slackware before this, obviously without sohusin |
| 17:59.57 | Gent | and it didn't have too much of an issue |
| 18:00.03 | Gent | actually, it never had an issue |
| 18:00.11 | Zharf | meh |
| 18:00.15 | Gent | it was only after switching the server to debian that I had the issue, and started having to look into this |
| 18:00.16 | kamalnandan | why do i get this error? even though I have correct version of cmake installed? |
| 18:00.19 | kamalnandan | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cmake (>= 2.6.4) |
| 18:00.24 | kenjy | the output of xorg and the log are here: http://pastebin.com/m7830b6f1 Can you help me? |
| 18:00.29 | Zharf | xscreensaver doesn't work properly without this thing :< |
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| 18:00.42 | cantido | Gent: Suhosin put markers into memory that nothing should touch, if the markers get overwritten you get a canary error |
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| 18:01.03 | cantido | Gent: buffer overflows in modules etc can cause the markers to get overwritten |
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| 18:02.14 | kenjy | any one here know how to configure a ati graphic card? |
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| 18:03.26 | magnuX | kenjy: are you using default xorg config? |
| 18:03.54 | magnuX | kenjy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh |
| 18:04.00 | kenjy | magnuX: default xorg config its a empty file because now it auto detect the hardware |
| 18:04.06 | Gent | cantido, which is all well and good, better question though is if one of those markers gets overwritten, and sohusin recognize it, does it ALWAYS die? |
| 18:04.11 | kenjy | magnuX: that just work to set the keyboard |
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| 18:04.42 | magnuX | it might not be empty |
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| 18:05.24 | magnuX | kenjy: it should have at least defaults configurations |
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| 18:07.48 | magnuX | kenjy: show me your xorg.conf file please |
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| 18:08.12 | kenjy | magnuX: the output of xorg and the log are here: http://pastebin.com/m7830b6f1 |
| 18:08.32 | Pnux | hey, im having a problem with testing dependencies, i have uploaded the aptitude output here http://pastebin.com/d67d78d7e what can i do to fix it? Seems like either way i end up holding back KDE. Packages in question are libgd2-xpm and libgd2-noxpm. I have tried holding and/or removing either of the packages, but nothing worked. |
| 18:09.58 | magnuX | kenjy: show me the xorg.conf file, not the log. $ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 18:10.14 | user345fgh | hi |
| 18:10.32 | user345fgh | 01 * * * * /usr/bin/somedirectory/somecommand will this run every hour? |
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| 18:10.51 | stew | user345fgh: yes |
| 18:10.52 | kenjy | magnuX: http://pastebin.com/m4aad3b21 |
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| 18:11.11 | user345fgh | is there a way to tell crontab to run something every 3 hours? |
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| 18:11.36 | pickcoder | user345fgh: spell out the hours in 3-hour increments |
| 18:11.40 | pickcoder | man crontab |
| 18:11.45 | user345fgh | thx |
| 18:11.58 | stew | user345fgh: 01 */3 * * * |
| 18:12.11 | pickcoder | stew: that's too simple.. |
| 18:12.14 | pickcoder | heh |
| 18:12.35 | magnuX | kenjy: make a new xorg.config file with the defaults options and then restart your gdm/kdm session manager. # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.conf -phigh |
| 18:12.50 | magnuX | kenjy: sorry |
| 18:12.59 | stew | pickcoder: ok, then how about, "man 5 crontab" :) |
| 18:13.00 | magnuX | kenjy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh |
| 18:13.01 | kenjy | magnuX: I don't have any login manager installed |
| 18:13.07 | racecar56 | how do i get wpa_supplicant to work right, it is acting stupid |
| 18:13.20 | magnuX | kenjy: ok, then just run startx |
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| 18:13.27 | kenjy | magnuX: the problem its not going to be solved with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 18:13.49 | pickcoder | stew: funny |
| 18:14.06 | magnuX | kenjy: is just to make a clean default config file, without any modifications made by you |
| 18:14.23 | magnuX | kenjy: then we can start to change options if it doesn't work |
| 18:14.26 | skapism | if I have a computer where I have to compile vpnc, is there any way to download the packages for it? |
| 18:14.52 | skapism | apt-get build-dep vpnc -d gets me the missing ones on _my_ computer, and I also can't distinguish them from the other debs I already have locally |
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| 18:15.09 | kenjy | magnuX: yo don't know that xorg 7.3 use hardware auto detection and xorg.conf its empty now? |
| 18:15.24 | racecar56 | how do i get wpa_supplicant to work with wpa_gui, wpa-gui thinks that it isn't running but it is, and it fusses about the conf file but it's the right syntax |
| 18:15.49 | skapism | I want to download all the packages I need into a clean directory, then move them to the new one |
| 18:16.02 | skapism | was just wondering if apt-get had that functionality |
| 18:16.10 | Serraphyn | anyone know why I am having problems printing to a linux cups server, I'll post my error_log at pastebin |
| 18:16.11 | magnuX | kenjy: yes I do, but it still make a config file with default options in lenny... |
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| 18:16.26 | stew | it should be the same as just removing xorg.conf |
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| 18:17.07 | Serraphyn | http://www.pastebin.org/6505 |
| 18:17.21 | kenjy | magnuX: I don't thinkso, look at this: spuntnik:~# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:17.21 | kenjy | spuntnik:~# cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:17.21 | kenjy | spuntnik:~# |
| 18:17.23 | magnuX | stew: I rather prefer to have the file, then start tweaking it |
| 18:17.31 | foo-nix | I am setting up wireless over wpasupplicant, and found on the debian wiki that I need to set my essid and password in /etc/network/interface, can I also say there to start wpa_supplicant and use /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf as configuration? |
| 18:18.09 | magnuX | mmm |
| 18:18.13 | stew | magnuX: looks like he's already there with an empty file |
| 18:18.13 | magnuX | gimme a sec |
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| 18:18.39 | Faithful | what provides makeinfo? |
| 18:18.47 | Serraphyn | if I don't have a /dev/lp0 could that be the LPT port is off in bios? |
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| 18:19.12 | stew | Faithful: texinfo, use apt-file to find this in the future (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
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| 18:19.26 | foo-nix | Serraphyn, maybe try lspci or hwinfo |
| 18:19.39 | magnuX | stew: yep smarty |
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| 18:19.57 | foo-nix | Serraphyn, they tell you what hardware is in your computer |
| 18:20.04 | Faithful | steve, thanks ... I didn't know how... all I knew was apt-cache search |
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| 18:20.21 | Serraphyn | hwinfo command not found |
| 18:20.38 | foo-nix | Serraphyn, You can do apt-get install hwinfo |
| 18:20.42 | ananthgs | Hi All. I have a question to u all. |
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| 18:20.49 | foo-nix | Serraphyn, as root of course. |
| 18:21.06 | ananthgs | How many DVDs does the intel 64 bit version of Debian contain? |
| 18:21.08 | Serraphyn | hwinfo package was not installed was problem for that foo-nix |
| 18:21.16 | abrotman | ananthgs: probably five |
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| 18:21.18 | kenjy | so no way to use rage 128 on debian right ? |
| 18:21.25 | stew | kenjy: there is |
| 18:21.28 | abrotman | kenjy: r128 doesn't work ? |
| 18:21.29 | ananthgs | In debian.org it just shows just 1 dvd for download. |
| 18:21.30 | magnuX | kenjy: use this one and then show me the log when you try to start a X session |
| 18:21.35 | stew | judd: pciid 1002:5046 |
| 18:21.36 | magnuX | kenjy: http://pastebin.com/m3297097c |
| 18:21.37 | judd | stew: [1002:5046] is 'Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'aty128fb', 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:5046 |
| 18:21.39 | abrotman | ananthgs: if you have broadband .. probably better to use the netinst |
| 18:21.39 | kenjy | abrotman: it don't work |
| 18:21.51 | stew | kenjy: ^^ try modprobe aty128fb |
| 18:22.01 | stew | kenjy: which should make the /dev/fb? appear |
| 18:22.04 | ananthgs | abrotman: but i want the iso files too |
| 18:22.12 | abrotman | why? |
| 18:22.27 | kenjy | magnuX: that don't work |
| 18:22.52 | magnuX | kenjy: the log please? |
| 18:22.58 | kenjy | stew: crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 ago 4 13:07 /dev/fb0 |
| 18:22.59 | ananthgs | abrotman: i come from india..... and internet is not of high speed here. I cannot afford it too. Thats why a dvd iso file is always better. |
| 18:23.07 | stew | kenjy: is that before or after the modprobe? |
| 18:23.22 | racecar56 | ananthgs: i have slow internet here too |
| 18:23.23 | abrotman | ananthgs: ah okay .. well, there are five then |
| 18:23.41 | kenjy | stew: your modprobe don't work |
| 18:23.42 | abrotman | ananthgs: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 18:23.45 | ananthgs | abrotman: a dvd file of 4.4 gb will take me around 10 days minimum |
| 18:23.54 | abrotman | so why not just download what you need ? |
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| 18:23.57 | kenjy | magnuX: http://pastebin.com/m71085f4e my log file |
| 18:24.03 | stew | kenjy: you got an error from the modprobe? |
| 18:24.09 | kenjy | stew: FATAL: Module aty128fb not found. |
| 18:24.19 | pickcoder | ananthgs: you can do the net install even on dial-up speed |
| 18:24.20 | stew | kenjy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:24.21 | kenjy | stew: but modprobe r128 works |
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| 18:24.31 | kenjy | stew: 2.6.26-2-powerpc |
| 18:24.37 | racecar56 | ananthgs: use netisnt but don't check off standard system or anything, especially desktop environment |
| 18:24.41 | pickcoder | just select to install every possible package |
| 18:24.44 | pickcoder | er |
| 18:24.49 | pickcoder | just _don't_ |
| 18:24.50 | racecar56 | ananthgs: that is one way to do it |
| 18:24.58 | ananthgs | Thanks to all. |
| 18:25.25 | ananthgs | I have an Intel Core 2 Duo processor. So that means that i need to download the ia64 right and not the amd64? |
| 18:25.26 | pickcoder | the netinst CD contains a functional base system |
| 18:25.29 | ananthgs | am i rigt? |
| 18:25.34 | racecar56 | ananthgs: no |
| 18:25.34 | ananthgs | right*? |
| 18:25.39 | racecar56 | ananthgs: ia is itanium |
| 18:25.43 | kenjy | stew: could yo look at the log please? http://pastebin.com/m71085f4e |
| 18:25.43 | racecar56 | ananthgs: get amd64 |
| 18:25.47 | pickcoder | you want i386 |
| 18:25.50 | racecar56 | ananthgs: i have the same prooessor |
| 18:25.54 | ananthgs | ok fine. |
| 18:25.56 | pickcoder | unless you have like 32GB of ram |
| 18:25.56 | racecar56 | ananthgs: *processor |
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| 18:26.10 | ananthgs | thanks racecar56 |
| 18:26.15 | stew | kenjy: yeah, that's why I decided you needed to load a fb module |
| 18:26.15 | pickcoder | (technically PAE can handle 64) |
| 18:26.40 | stew | kenjy: can you run: grep "1002.*5046" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 18:26.52 | kenjy | stew: yea |
| 18:26.55 | stew | kenjy: see if anything with 'fb' in the name comes out? |
| 18:27.11 | kenjy | stew: nothing: spuntnik:~# |
| 18:27.11 | kenjy | spuntnik:~# |
| 18:27.25 | foo-nix | Serraphyn, how is it comming? |
| 18:27.30 | kenjy | spuntnik:~# grep "1002.*5046" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 18:27.30 | kenjy | spuntnik:~# |
| 18:27.33 | stew | kenjy: then you could use the xorg.conf.net but uncomment the UseFBDev, and make it "No" |
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| 18:27.40 | stew | ^net^net |
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| 18:28.02 | kenjy | stew: I don't know about xorg.conf.net : / |
| 18:28.22 | stew | kenjy: sorry, i meant xorg.conf.new |
| 18:28.35 | foo-nix | Is it possible to (ellegantly) setup wp_supplicant in debian without setting your password in /etc/network/interfaces . |
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| 18:28.46 | kenjy | stew: UseFBDev should be in section screen or in section device? |
| 18:28.55 | racecar56 | anyone know how to get a BCM4318 working? i can't seem to get it working |
| 18:29.01 | stew | kenjy: whatever section it is already in |
| 18:29.02 | kenjy | stew: because I have this in section device: Option "UseFBDev" "false" |
| 18:29.05 | abrotman | racecar56: pciid ? |
| 18:29.06 | foo-nix | This is not a security concern but I cannot understand how I can fully configure multiple networks on one interface in the interfaces file. |
| 18:29.12 | kenjy | stew: it is there because I setup there |
| 18:29.18 | racecar56 | abrotman: lspci? |
| 18:29.29 | abrotman | racecar56: lspci -nn |
| 18:29.32 | kenjy | stew: I ask because I don't know where should it be |
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| 18:29.47 | stew | kenjy: wherever it was already listed but commented out |
| 18:30.11 | kenjy | stew: it is not listed, I set it there |
| 18:30.11 | stew | kenjy: which looks like Section "Device" in your paste |
| 18:30.22 | stew | kenjy: its listed there but commented out |
| 18:30.26 | kenjy | stew: sorry it is listed you are right |
| 18:30.43 | racecar56 | abrotman: 06:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4318] (rev 02) |
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| 18:30.57 | stew | kenjy: and it should be "off" not "false" |
| 18:31.06 | kenjy | stew: okay the monitor now its black |
| 18:31.13 | racecar56 | abrotman: sorry for taking long, i'm on a different computer than the one with my problem |
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| 18:31.26 | abrotman | judd: pciid 14e4:4318 |
| 18:31.27 | judd | abrotman: [14e4:4318] is 'BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4318 |
| 18:31.28 | kenjy | stew: something happen because the monitor now its black |
| 18:31.34 | kenjy | stew: but no image |
| 18:31.45 | stew | kenjy: use xrandr to check / set the resolution |
| 18:31.49 | abrotman | racecar56: says the ssb module should drive it.. not the case with you ? |
| 18:31.57 | stew | (possibly from a text console with "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" |
| 18:32.02 | kenjy | stew: spuntnik:~# xrandr |
| 18:32.03 | kenjy | Can't open display |
| 18:32.09 | racecar56 | abrotman: i loaded it |
| 18:32.20 | stew | kenjy: did you startx as root? |
| 18:32.27 | racecar56 | abrotman: also i have b43 loaded and i have b43-fwcutter |
| 18:32.37 | kenjy | stew : I did X -config /root/xorg.conf.new |
| 18:32.46 | kenjy | stew: it say (EE) R128(0): No DFP detected |
| 18:32.56 | stew | kenjy: oh, then black screen sounds like it might be correct |
| 18:32.57 | kenjy | stew: (EE) R128(0): Cannot read V_BIOS (5) |
| 18:33.03 | stew | kenjy: did you start X as root? |
| 18:33.13 | Titan8990 | why are you trying to use a framebuffer driver for xorg? |
| 18:33.16 | abrotman | racecar56: you only want to be loading one |
| 18:33.23 | stew | Titan8990: becuase X is choosing it for him |
| 18:33.24 | racecar56 | abrotman: kk |
| 18:33.30 | kenjy | stew: I don't did startx |
| 18:33.39 | abrotman | racecar56: gets harder to debug one, if you're loading two |
| 18:33.48 | kenjy | stew : I did X -config /root/xorg.conf.new and that starts xorg ussing the config file that you choose |
| 18:33.52 | racecar56 | abrotman: i got it now it |
| 18:33.58 | stew | kenjy: yes, I saw that |
| 18:33.59 | racecar56 | abrotman: now it's -spamming- |
| 18:34.02 | racecar56 | abrotman: BAD |
| 18:34.05 | stew | kenjy: what user did you start X as? |
| 18:34.09 | kenjy | stew: now I did a copy of /root/xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and did startx as root |
| 18:34.14 | kenjy | stew: root |
| 18:34.23 | kenjy | stew: why? |
| 18:34.27 | racecar56 | abrotman: ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such file or directory |
| 18:34.37 | stew | bstaz: becuase I was trying to figure out why xrandr was giving you the error |
| 18:34.40 | stew | kenjy: ^^ |
| 18:34.46 | kenjy | stew: wanna see the log? |
| 18:34.47 | stew | bstaz: not you, nm |
| 18:34.51 | stew | kenjy: not at all |
| 18:34.57 | stew | kenjy: is the screen still black? |
| 18:35.18 | kenjy | stew: yes |
| 18:35.27 | stew | kenjy: do you still get the same error from xrandr? |
| 18:35.44 | racecar56 | abrotman: ok i modprobed ssb and it's ok now |
| 18:35.46 | kenjy | stew: yes: spuntnik:~# xrandr |
| 18:35.46 | kenjy | Can't open display |
| 18:35.55 | kenjy | stew: Im running xrand from a tty |
| 18:35.59 | stew | kenjy: did you try running it the way I suggested? |
| 18:36.02 | racecar56 | abrotman: now how do i connect to the network |
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| 18:36.11 | kenjy | stew: startx? yes |
| 18:36.15 | stew | no, xrandr |
| 18:36.24 | stew | i never suggested you run startx |
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| 18:36.36 | kenjy | stew: nop, how did you suggested to run xrandr? |
| 18:36.46 | stew | 14:31 < stew> (possibly from a text console with "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" |
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| 18:36.56 | kenjy | stew: okay let me try =) |
| 18:37.11 | fxiny | are you runnning xrandr as root ? -> spuntnik:~# xrandr |
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| 18:37.20 | kenjy | fxiny: yes |
| 18:37.21 | racecar56 | abrotman: with wpa_supplicant |
| 18:38.15 | Benit | Hi, due to an upgrade now the fonts of the virtualbox are seen this way: http://i27.tinypic.com/4fv9fc.jpg anyone knows where I've to look to fix this? |
| 18:38.32 | kenjy | stew: no way, it say Can't open display :0 |
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| 18:39.03 | JPT | kde environment? press SUPER+R and start it with root permissions from there |
| 18:39.31 | kenjy | stew: wanna see the log? |
| 18:40.18 | stew | kenjy: you can check the log yourself or use xdpyinfo to see if it is running at a resolution that your monitor supports |
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| 18:40.55 | abrotman | !wpa |
| 18:40.56 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 18:41.09 | kenjy | stew: well I don't think that it is out of range |
| 18:41.15 | abrotman | racecar56: my primary laptop doesn't support WPA .. so i ahven't messed with it much |
| 18:41.22 | kenjy | stew: should I have hal installed? |
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| 18:41.28 | stew | kenjy: try starting an xterm or something |
| 18:41.39 | kenjy | stew: a xterm? on a tty? |
| 18:41.48 | kenjy | stew: Xorg don't start |
| 18:42.01 | kenjy | stew: xterm Xt error: Can't open display: %s |
| 18:42.01 | kenjy | xterm: DISPLAY is not set |
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| 18:42.06 | Titan8990 | kenjy, hal must be started for any xorg passed version 1.5 |
| 18:42.14 | greycat | kenjy: are you typing 'startx' to run it? |
| 18:42.25 | kenjy | Titan8990: yes buy I don't have it installed |
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| 18:42.30 | kenjy | greycat: yes |
| 18:42.49 | damasceno | how can i set the password in line of ssh? |
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| 18:43.04 | damasceno | Example: ssh root@192.168.0.91 -p 12345 |
| 18:43.07 | kenjy | damasceno: use ssh key's |
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| 18:43.10 | damasceno | I know, the -p is PORT |
| 18:43.16 | greycat | damasceno: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/069 -- I want to automate an ssh (or scp, or sftp) connection, but I don't know how to send the password.... |
| 18:43.21 | kenjy | damasceno: don't send the password from cli |
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| 18:43.33 | kenjy | should I install hal? |
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| 18:43.55 | damasceno | kenjy, ok thanks. |
| 18:44.48 | mreh_ | what flash player does iceweasel ship with in lenny? |
| 18:44.55 | kenjy | okay no way to use r128 on debian right? |
| 18:45.18 | abrotman | mreh_: probably gnash or swfdec |
| 18:45.32 | greycat | I'm pretty sure iceweasel ships with none. |
| 18:45.44 | mreh_ | greycat: i just installed in on my desktop |
| 18:45.45 | greycat | There might be some packaged, that you can install. |
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| 18:45.56 | d0htem | hello debian |
| 18:46.00 | mreh_ | it has some flash plug-in, but it's broken |
| 18:46.23 | abrotman | !tell mreh_ about adobe flash |
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| 18:47.32 | kenjy | stew: it is not a monitor issue it is about the graphic card driver |
| 18:47.46 | stew | kenjy: how did you determine that? |
| 18:47.57 | kenjy | stew: (WW) ****INVALID IO ALLOCATION**** b: 0xf0000400 e: 0xf00004ff correcting |
| 18:47.58 | kenjy | (EE) end of block range 0xefffffff < begin 0xf0000000 |
| 18:47.58 | kenjy | (EE) R128(0): Cannot read V_BIOS (5) |
| 18:48.03 | lucas_ | iceweasel |
| 18:48.15 | kenjy | (EE) R128(0): No DFP detected |
| 18:48.28 | lucas_ | as if the Firefox dev team wasn't full of enough GPL zealots |
| 18:49.03 | greycat | mozilla.com owns the firefox name and doesn't permit it to be used on browsers that are modified |
| 18:49.23 | d0htem | then just call it fire-firefox :) |
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| 18:49.52 | Dassu | wtf. lvreduce -L shouldn't blank the volume ? :D |
| 18:49.58 | Dassu | Fucking awsome. |
| 18:50.13 | fxiny | yes , xmonad is better :P |
| 18:50.34 | stew | greycat: sure they do, they just don't permit debian to use the trademark |
| 18:50.35 | lucas_ | I once saw a mailing list post by a Firefox dev complaining about how Chrome is helping to kill the internet by supporting H.264 |
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| 18:50.56 | hhhhhhhhhh | How do i install YACC on debian 5 |
| 18:51.11 | abrotman | hhhhhhhhhh: apt-cache search yacc ? |
| 18:51.13 | lucas_ | the Google open source rep responded with 'we're supporting Theora too, and if you're so committed to killing proprietary tech, why does Firefox even allow proprietary plugins like Flash to use its API' |
| 18:51.14 | greycat | bison won't work? |
| 18:51.16 | kenjy | stew: tested some horizsync and vert refresh options but no luck |
| 18:51.28 | lucas_ | the Iceweasel guys are the sort of people that see that BS |
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| 18:51.32 | lucas_ | and think, 'gee, what a great idea' |
| 18:51.42 | greycat | hhhhhhhhhh: if bison won't work, there is a byacc package |
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| 18:54.41 | mreh_ | "Mozilla Corporation software rebranded by the Debian project" heh |
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| 18:55.13 | mreh_ | THE BROWSER THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED |
| 18:55.21 | zamuro | Vorbote: :O |
| 18:55.37 | kenjy | stew: how can I try to use that ati128fb? I don't have the module |
| 18:55.39 | zamuro | Vorbote: wtf? whaddahell?! |
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| 18:55.52 | sshd___ | whether there is Adobe Flash player on Debian Squeeze |
| 18:55.56 | sshd___ | , |
| 18:55.58 | sshd___ | ? |
| 18:56.00 | Vorbote | zamuro: I am the eye in the sky. |
| 18:56.18 | zamuro | Vorbote: Oh, I see... LOL |
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| 18:59.21 | fxiny | rebranded by the debian project ? fine , i run an os , a browser is just an app , i decide where to click so i hope google will redirect my click to the project |
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| 19:00.02 | Kuifje111 | Hello all. I am seeking a download manager for (or which supports) rapidshare with a web interface, any tips? |
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| 19:00.12 | fxiny | s/redirect/"redirects" |
| 19:00.22 | stew | kenjy: i don't know. it seems liek you should have aty128fb in your kernel. perhaps it just doesn't exist for ppc |
| 19:00.52 | kenjy | stew: conclusion no way to use a 128 ati in ppc with debian? |
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| 19:01.07 | pvullo_ | hi ! I want to boot faster. Where can I remove "hcid" (bluetooth stuff that I don't need). It's in several rc.X/ directory. Should I remove all the mention by hand, or is there an better way to do it ? |
| 19:01.09 | stew | kenjy: i doubt that is true |
| 19:01.24 | kenjy | stew: but we did all what we can or not? |
| 19:01.24 | Titan8990 | pvullo_, man update-rc.d |
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| 19:01.29 | stew | kenjy: not |
| 19:01.37 | Titan8990 | pvullo_, never manually, all distros have a similar command |
| 19:01.39 | pvullo_ | Titan8990 : thks |
| 19:01.42 | kenjy | stew: what more? |
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| 19:02.27 | stew | kenjy: you could see if a newer debian kernel has that module. you could see if that module is available by recompiling. you can look more at host to make r128 not need the FBDev, you can use the vesa driver |
| 19:02.58 | kenjy | stew: r128 its too old |
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| 19:03.54 | stew | kenjy: how do you know that? |
| 19:04.13 | Vorbote | kenjy: If you want to activate the r128 framebuffer you need to do the following: !) Edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and add aty128fb to the list, then regenerate the initrd with update-initramfs |
| 19:04.17 | kenjy | stew: because this is a old card |
| 19:04.34 | stew | kenjy: how did you determine that r128 was too old? |
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| 19:04.55 | kenjy | stew: I did not, its a old card and r128 its a old driver |
| 19:05.11 | stew | kenjy: why is it too old though? |
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| 19:05.20 | stew | kenjy: or what makes you say that? |
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| 19:05.32 | Vorbote | kenjy: 2) Add "video=aty128fb" plus extra options to the bootloader line in /boot/gnrub/menu (the entry called kopts). The regenerate the grub menu.list file with update-grub. 3) Reboot |
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| 19:05.46 | stew | Vorbote: he doesn't have a aty128fb module |
| 19:06.00 | kenjy | stew: why are you asking if something old its old? its like ask why egypt its old? |
| 19:06.09 | kenjy | Vorbote: I did it |
| 19:06.12 | stew | kenjy: why are you saying it is too old? |
| 19:06.16 | Vorbote | That's weird. I have one and I use Sid :-) |
| 19:06.32 | kenjy | Vorbote: spuntnik:~# cat /etc/yaboot.conf |grep 128 |
| 19:06.32 | kenjy | append="video=aty128fb:mode:1024x768-60" |
| 19:06.34 | stew | Vorbote: yes, and lenny has it for i386 and amd64 for the same kernel, but not his ppc kernel for some reason |
| 19:07.30 | Vorbote | stew: now that's weird. Pity I buried my classic mac almost a decade ago :-) |
| 19:07.51 | stew | yes, it should have been properly recycled instead of buried |
| 19:08.23 | Vorbote | Not in this country :-) |
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| 19:09.00 | kenjy | stew and Vorbote : I have the r128 module and I can do modprobe r128 |
| 19:09.19 | stew | kenjy: that will help once you get X actually running |
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| 19:09.27 | stew | kenjy: but it won't help you get x running |
| 19:09.51 | kenjy | stew: another think, lspci say that my pci bus its 0000:00:10:0 but xorg tryed to use PCI:0:16:0 |
| 19:09.55 | kenjy | stew: is that okay? |
| 19:09.55 | Vorbote | kenjy: the one called aty128fb= The r128 is the DRM one and gives you 2D and limping 3D acceleration. |
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| 19:10.47 | kenjy | Vorbote: okay, when I do modprobe r128 it say: enabling PCI device 0086 -> 0087 |
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| 19:11.27 | Titan8990 | !tell me about ask |
| 19:11.38 | kenjy | steve: xorg try to use BusID "PCI:0:16:0" but lspci say: 0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI can this be a problem? should I say to xorg that it should use 00:10.0 ? |
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| 19:12.28 | Vorbote | kenjy: You should try making explicit the bus id in your xorg.conf file. |
| 19:12.33 | abrotman | !tell Titan8990 about selftell |
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| 19:12.53 | stew | kenjy: you shouldn't bother if its too old |
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| 19:13.39 | kenjy | stew: it is old and Im ussing it . |
| 19:14.06 | Phil4 | ScoorpionKing is PM spamming on join, if anyone can remove it |
| 19:14.11 | Titan8990 | abrotman, lol, it shouldn't accept the var "me" if thats not intended usage |
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| 19:14.20 | Vorbote | stew: that's not a real answer. The only video cards available for turn of the century macs were ATI Rage 128 ones and most were integrated in the mainboard. We are not talking your garden variety taiwanese POS mainboard whitebox. :-) |
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| 19:14.38 | kenjy | stew: is this 0000:00:10.0 the same than: BusID "PCI:0:10:0" ? |
| 19:14.39 | abrotman | Titan8990: it works .. but for regulars that help, it would get annoying (and you should know better ) |
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| 19:15.00 | stew | Phil4: can you PM me the message you got from it |
| 19:15.03 | stew | ? |
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| 19:15.22 | Phil4 | didn't get it that time |
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| 19:15.42 | fxiny | ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP , MACH 64 here |
| 19:15.54 | fxiny | still running |
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| 19:16.21 | Vorbote | fine pieces of hardware. |
| 19:16.28 | Phil4 | nor that time |
| 19:17.01 | Phil4 | anyway, back to the real point of the call... |
| 19:17.19 | Phil4 | I'm having some issues with 802.3ad Dynamic link aggregation |
| 19:17.35 | Phil4 | I have it enabled for bond0 which has enslaved eth2 and eth3 |
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| 19:18.06 | Phil4 | and it works just fine for redundancy - i.e. packets aren't lost if I unplug either interface |
| 19:18.50 | MNZ | hello. I have recently installed debian lenny on a new hp laptop and decided to do a few updates to get the latest fglrx. In the process I got myself the latest xorg and a few other packages from sid. Is there an easy way to reset all packages to the stable versions? |
| 19:18.58 | Phil4 | but if I enable the trunk on the two switch ports on my netgear GS724T, I am spiradically unable to reach certain hosts |
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| 19:19.06 | greycat | MNZ: nope. it's one way. |
| 19:19.07 | Phil4 | think this is an issue with Debian or the switch? |
| 19:19.43 | MNZ | greycat, I'm pretty sure I can select packages one by one and force the older versions, but isn't there an easier way to do it? |
| 19:20.22 | abrotman | MNZ: no |
| 19:20.35 | greycat | MNZ: even manually doing it one by one is not guaranteed to work. |
| 19:20.43 | greycat | !downgrade |
| 19:20.43 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 19:21.25 | lucas_ | why doesn't 'make modules_install INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/path/to/foo' copy anything but a couple bytes of index files into /path/to/foo/lib/modules/2.6.x? |
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| 19:21.38 | lucas_ | I don't get it |
| 19:21.44 | lucas_ | do I have to copy all this shit in myself? |
| 19:22.07 | abrotman | !kp |
| 19:22.07 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 19:22.34 | lucas_ | yeah, I don't have that. I'm cross-compiling for ARM, and I'm not in Debian right now |
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| 19:23.12 | praseodym | I just installed lenny and it detects my display dpi wrong resulting in huge fonts, how can I fix this? xorg.conf is empty because of the autoconfig |
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| 19:23.20 | Faithful | Nwhen i just run mkinitramfs -o /boot/file.initrd kernelversion it doesn't create an initrd that boots my system yet when I install a new kernel via apt-get it runs mkinitramfs and it works just fine... any ideas? |
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| 19:24.20 | dvinchi666 | alguien sabe de lagun buen manuel o habdbook kernel para configurar en el krenel de debian???? |
| 19:24.40 | dvinchi666 | la instalacion ya me salio pero kisiera optimizar mas el kernel |
| 19:24.41 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:24.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:24.44 | fxiny | MNZ: this can help a bit , just a bit -> http://simple.be/software/daudit/ |
| 19:26.24 | MNZ | fxiny, thanks this will help. I just need to downgrade xorg and fglrx mainly and I think it just might not cause too much trouble. |
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| 19:27.36 | fxiny | MNZ: i found it on a debian mlist a couple of months ago |
| 19:27.46 | greycat | Best way to do that is purge all the X packages and install the old ones. |
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| 19:28.35 | MNZ | greycat, if I just remove the xorg metapackage that doesn't take care of the rest. What am I supposed to do? |
| 19:28.49 | greycat | !remove x |
| 19:28.49 | dpkg | remove x is probably "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. use "purge" instead of remove if you want it to also remove X's configuration. |
| 19:28.58 | Kuifje111 | what is the best rapidshare download manager? |
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| 19:30.00 | MNZ | greycat, thanks |
| 19:30.06 | helo | i keep becoming attached to the debian release names, and then they are obsoleted by a newer version :( |
| 19:30.10 | MNZ | ok I'm off to terminal land. wish me luck |
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| 19:30.31 | helo | i have to redecorate my bedroom, etc... |
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| 19:30.59 | cantido | wonders what's amazing about using a shell.. |
| 19:31.11 | helo | cantoma: mario can't stomp on your head as easily |
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| 19:31.35 | cantido | that's pretty random |
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| 19:33.32 | enouf | does mario make pizzas? |
| 19:33.40 | enouf | random pi? :-p |
| 19:34.32 | enouf | takes a graceful bow for the intended pun |
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| 19:41.32 | gnz11 | helo as for names be glad it's not ub 6 names in four years |
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| 19:42.01 | asg | cronic corndog |
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| 19:42.31 | gnz11 | was suprised they used jackalope |
| 19:43.00 | gnz11 | what's next fn ferret |
| 19:43.00 | asg | !pubtime |
| 19:43.00 | dpkg | hmm... pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
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| 19:56.38 | betz | hey all! Can anyone tell me how to check which debian version i have? |
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| 19:56.54 | asg | betz: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:57.17 | betz | thanks asg |
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| 19:57.41 | jpinx | deborphan's first listing gave most otgac |
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| 19:57.53 | jpinx | most of it asg |
| 19:58.21 | asg | jpinx: keep running it, the removal of some packages will open others up also |
| 19:58.37 | jpinx | asg - yep - doing that now |
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| 20:09.24 | jpinx | asg: yea! deborphan returns nothing :) |
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| 20:09.38 | asg | cool |
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| 20:16.17 | enouf | er .. how does one upgrade a kernel through a ssh connection? I have to reboot, so what happens, i lose the connection .,.. yes? |
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| 20:16.40 | greycat | yes |
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| 20:17.04 | greycat | wait a couple minutes and then reconnect |
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| 20:17.19 | greycat | blood sacrifices are optional |
| 20:17.21 | enouf | fortunately, this is all on my LAN for now, but i'm willing to test things out ;-) (note though, only one monitor/keys(half-broken anyways)/mouse). otherwise i'd have a serial console set up |
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| 20:17.30 | enouf | greycat: gracias |
| 20:17.32 | purplepenguins | check to make sure that the new kernel is the default in /boot/grub/menu.lst beforee trying |
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| 20:17.54 | enouf | Examining /etc/kernel/postinst.d. |
| 20:17.55 | enouf | run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools 2.6.30-1-686 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 20:17.55 | greycat | (Or other boot loader config file.) |
| 20:18.05 | enouf | nice one manoj \o/ |
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| 20:19.06 | enouf | greycat: indeed, so, update-grub and menu.lst settings such as default N (and even perhaps kernel panic=) |
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| 20:19.21 | enouf | have to be correct, atleast in order for it to boot into NEW kernel |
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| 20:19.56 | greycat | I just meant that menu.lst may not be the correct file for everyone. |
| 20:19.56 | enouf | the fallback and panic options would be employed should this be done remotely .,. in case NEW kernel boot panics/fails |
| 20:20.03 | enouf | oh, indeed |
| 20:20.26 | greycat | Some people may be using /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 20:20.30 | enouf | it definitely is not, even just on debian-based - since i believe i reasd they're pushing to have grub2 as default soon |
| 20:20.52 | enouf | RH-based et al already use a grub.conf or something other than a menu.lst, IINM |
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| 20:21.08 | enouf | then you have LiLo and many other bootloaders |
| 20:21.08 | greycat | Speaking of grub2, http://blogs.koolwal.net/2008/12/28/windows-xpvista-dual-boot-does-not-boot-from-grub2-or-grub-pc/ |
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| 20:21.40 | enouf | greycat: uff .. i can't read that atm, but do you/they know about grub-emulation module? |
| 20:21.48 | greycat | grub-pc package in sid doesn't set up a windows dual-boot, doesn't mention that it's not setting one up, and doesn't tell you how to set one up yourself. |
| 20:22.02 | enouf | oh well - windows loses again :-p |
| 20:22.13 | enouf | cries a river ... (just kidding) |
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| 20:22.39 | greycat | fortunately google knew how. |
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| 20:23.08 | enouf | aye - i can understand for the newest windows versions, but for XP and earlier? ugh |
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| 20:23.39 | helo | enouf: there is some grub failover feature... where if a kernel doesn't boot properly, it will switch to the next kernel (the one that already has been shown to work) |
| 20:23.47 | helo | i don't recall the details though, naturally ;) |
| 20:23.58 | enouf | helo: yes, it's called "fallback" in grub1 |
| 20:24.41 | greycat | enouf: it's not a failure of grub to work with XP or anything like that. It's a failure of the Debian *packaging* of grub to say, "Hey, I'm not going to detect any other OSs you have installed, so if you have any, you need to do this and that and this and that." |
| 20:25.27 | enouf | helo: however, i believe one *also* must have a panic=NN (time in seconds) option in their kernel cmdline - so that would mean that the "# kopts = ..." line would have to have that "... panic=NN ..." option already, so update-grub would ADD that to the NEW kernel |
| 20:25.49 | enouf | greycat: are you sure about that? |
| 20:26.20 | greycat | I just did it yesterday. Did I overlook something? |
| 20:26.34 | enouf | greycat: i did peek at the article, i suppose you presume it's "debian-based" issue due to pkgNAMEs ? |
| 20:26.57 | greycat | /usr/share/doc/grub-pc/NEWS.Debian.gz only talks about 32 vs 64 bit stuff. |
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| 20:27.01 | enouf | i don't see anything on 1st glance mentioning "debian" .. but i perused real fast |
| 20:27.05 | enouf | hrm |
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| 20:27.22 | greycat | enouf: I used the article to DOCUMENT what I had to DO to make my system boot windows again. |
| 20:27.26 | greycat | enouf: I found it by searching google. |
| 20:27.29 | twobitsprite | its funny how many people misuse the word "peruse" |
| 20:27.31 | dustybin | how could one recover a hard drive if it says this: |
| 20:27.31 | dustybin | [ 897.606675] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 2 |
| 20:27.31 | dustybin | [ 897.606738] EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock |
| 20:27.39 | greycat | enouf: I observed the lack of Windows on my grub boot menu myself. |
| 20:27.56 | enouf | greycat: i see .. ok, hrm |
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| 20:28.42 | twobitsprite | dustybin: I seem to remember some technique where you dd the drive to a file somewhere else and do some fsck/mkfs magic on it |
| 20:28.57 | helo | automagic grub configuration fail :/ |
| 20:28.58 | enouf | greycat: i have my own issues, heh, like stupid "consolekit" pkg being a Depends on HAL. and having it launch 65+ unneeded processes every friggin boot |
| 20:29.00 | dustybin | aye ok thanks |
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| 20:29.22 | twobitsprite | dustybin: unfortunately I can't remember the details, but hopefully that should give you something to google |
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| 20:29.34 | enouf | so i can't remove it, (without messing with the debian/rules, etc) and recompiling, so i use rc.local to pkill the suckers |
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| 20:30.58 | helo | enouf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=302276 |
| 20:30.58 | Dominicus | I have a NFS share mounted on my system, but I've since put the system into standby, and taken it to a different network that doesn't have access to the location of the NFS share. I didin't write any data from the volume, i was just reading from it. But, how do I force it to unmount from my system so that it stops causing my apps to hangup that attempt to address that device/mountPoint? |
| 20:30.58 | enouf | greycat: and that happens even when booting into S or 1, even though consolekit ({console-kit-dae} as seen in ps/pstree) is an X -related thing! |
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| 20:30.58 | helo | doh, that is really old heh |
| 20:31.11 | enouf | helo: heh |
| 20:31.28 | greycat | There are some crazy dependencies in Debian, to be sure. |
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| 20:31.32 | Dominicus | wonders if his message was clipped. |
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| 20:31.56 | enouf | the ONLY time it does NOT happen is when i choose recovery (single) kernel from grub |
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| 20:32.30 | enouf | then only init + udev + dhcpcd-bin + getty/login are running at end of bootup |
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| 20:32.56 | enouf | AND, i must kill dhcpcd JUST to be able to mount -oremount,ro / |
| 20:33.01 | ajavid | man |
| 20:33.02 | enouf | to run fsck on / |
| 20:33.09 | ajavid | i've notices something |
| 20:33.28 | enouf | Dominicus: i see .... that device/mountPoint? |
| 20:33.34 | enouf | Dominicus: on irssi |
| 20:33.47 | ajavid | noticed* |
| 20:33.56 | ajavid | I have to agree with greycat |
| 20:34.08 | ajavid | sometimes these dependencies can get seriously fucking stupid. |
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| 20:34.15 | enouf | one can tell, if truly in single/recovery, just use 'runlevel', it'll spit back "unknown" heh |
| 20:34.37 | enouf | ajavid: how about that AVAHI* :-p |
| 20:34.48 | enouf | and even gconf and gvfs shit |
| 20:34.49 | ajavid | enouf, today is not my day |
| 20:34.56 | enouf | ajavid: not many are! |
| 20:34.58 | enouf | runs |
| 20:35.00 | twobitsprite | Dominicus: if normal umount isn't working (or hangs) try "umount -l"... it will remove it from the mount tables, and try to gracefully close it in the background |
| 20:35.01 | ajavid | people have been pissing me off left and right today with their stupid shannigans |
| 20:35.05 | ajavid | why are people so stupid |
| 20:35.10 | enouf | ajavid: --> your channel |
| 20:35.12 | ajavid | I mean, wtf, is going on in the world |
| 20:35.12 | enouf | ;-) |
| 20:35.19 | Dominicus | enouf: Yeah, that's what I typed (someone previously told me my message was cipped to a 512 character limit before, just wondering if it was my client or his. |
| 20:35.25 | ajavid | ehh, phooey. |
| 20:35.26 | enouf | i'm there already ajavid , as you know |
| 20:36.06 | twobitsprite | Dominicus: in the future, use "intr" as a mount option, this allows you to interrupt hanging processes accessing NFS |
| 20:36.08 | enouf | Dominicus: it's either a network or channel limit, IINM |
| 20:36.22 | enouf | likely CHANSERV or something |
| 20:36.35 | DeepFrz | I have windows xp installed on my system, I want to install Debian on a separate HD with dual boot. When I install, should I install debian on the first hard drive with Grub? |
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| 20:36.56 | enouf | the paste amount of lines is a per-channel thing IINM |
| 20:36.59 | twobitsprite | DeepFrz: install debain on the harddrive which doesn't have XP :) |
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| 20:37.12 | enouf | Dominicus: you could ask in #freenode |
| 20:37.16 | gorp | DeepFrz, you will just install grub on the MBR of your first drive |
| 20:37.21 | Dominicus | twobitsprite: Yeah that "mount -l <location>" worked. Thanks for the tip. I'll look into that. |
| 20:37.28 | twobitsprite | Dominicus: np |
| 20:37.28 | Dominicus | enouf: Thanks. i'll do that. |
| 20:37.46 | enouf | Dominicus: google stale NFS mounts too |
| 20:38.14 | DeepFrz | gorp, that will override the windows MBR if windows is on the first drive. Does that matter? |
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| 20:38.31 | enouf | Dominicus: make use of netstat -tunap and -anp and lsof (both as root) if you really want to start hunting down the issue |
| 20:38.46 | twobitsprite | DeepFrz: the installer will configure grub to boot your windows drive as well... so yes, we want it to overwrite the windows MBR |
| 20:39.00 | enouf | yeah - Dominicus , just read man umount, look out for gotchas with using that -l |
| 20:39.02 | gorp | DeeFrz, you will have to replace the windows loader with grub, grub will allow you to boot windows |
| 20:39.29 | DeepFrz | gorp: is there no other way? |
| 20:39.58 | gorp | DeepFrz, no other way, don't be scare, even you misconfigured grub, windows will not be lost |
| 20:40.00 | twobitsprite | enouf: I don't see any gotchyas mentioned in the man page |
| 20:40.35 | DeepFrz | gorp: what do I need to restore the MBR if I need to? |
| 20:40.45 | twobitsprite | DeepFrz: well... either your computer will load grub, which can boot linux and windows, or it will load the windows boot loader, but you won't be able to boot linux |
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| 20:41.25 | twobitsprite | DeepFrz: the only other way would be to have a boot floppy or something for linux... but that's a pain, and there is nothing wrong with grub |
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| 20:41.41 | gorp | DeepFrz, without grub on the mbr, you will not be able to boot your Free Gnu/linux system |
| 20:42.47 | twobitsprite | does the debian install even provide for a way to make boot floppies any more? |
| 20:42.51 | FreakGuard | debian doesn't like me. sh: pager: command not found |
| 20:42.51 | \amethyst | can't the windows bootloader chain off to grub on another boot sector? |
| 20:42.54 | DeepFrz | gorp: twobitsprite what happens if I move linux to a different system, will this system just boot without stopping in grub? |
| 20:42.59 | \amethyst | on a partition's boot sector, that is |
| 20:43.04 | greycat | FreakGuard: apt-get install less |
| 20:43.13 | FreakGuard | greycat: that's installed |
| 20:43.29 | twobitsprite | DeepFrz: you mean, like moving the drive with debian installed to another system? |
| 20:43.43 | greycat | FreakGuard: update-alternatives --config pager ? |
| 20:43.51 | twobitsprite | FreakGuard: how did you install debian? it sounds like the isntall got borked somehow |
| 20:44.11 | DeepFrz | twobitsprite: no, probably a different install, but I don't have the hardware right now |
| 20:44.12 | FreakGuard | greycat: set to less |
| 20:44.25 | FreakGuard | twobitsprite: I suppose netinstall (wasn't me) |
| 20:44.28 | greycat | FreakGuard: then you should have /usr/bin/pager -> /etc/alternatives/pager |
| 20:44.34 | greycat | FreakGuard: and /usr/bin should be in your $PATH variable |
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| 20:44.55 | greycat | and /etc/alternatives/pager should point to /bin/less or whatever |
| 20:45.02 | FreakGuard | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 5. Jun 13:06 /usr/bin/pager -> /etc/alternatives/pager |
| 20:45.17 | FreakGuard | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 4. Aug 23:50 /etc/alternatives/pager -> /usr/bin/less |
| 20:45.28 | twobitsprite | FreakGuard: echo $PATH |
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| 20:46.15 | FreakGuard | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games |
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| 20:46.26 | FreakGuard | but ls /usr/bin/pager => permission denied |
| 20:46.34 | sanmarcos | how can I mantain the directory I was when I do sudo -i? |
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| 20:46.42 | greycat | FreakGuard: ls -ld / /usr /usr/bin |
| 20:46.43 | twobitsprite | FreakGuard: ls -l it as root |
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| 20:47.09 | DeepFrz | twobitsprite: I find this all very confusing. I didn't realize that Grub had to replace the windows MBR, just though it had to be the first one to load. |
| 20:47.13 | FreakGuard | twobitsprite: that's the above |
| 20:47.20 | twobitsprite | sanmarcos: don't use -i |
| 20:47.26 | sanmarcos | twobitsprite: why? |
| 20:47.27 | action09 | hi |
| 20:47.48 | twobitsprite | sanmarcos: -i is to simulate a log in... which means moving to the user's homedir |
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| 20:48.19 | FreakGuard | twobitsprite: uh. looks like someone did indeed bork something. |
| 20:48.27 | sanmarcos | twobitsprite: ah ok |
| 20:48.34 | sanmarcos | twobitsprite: sudo su works hehe |
| 20:48.34 | twobitsprite | sanmarcos: rtfm :) |
| 20:48.46 | twobitsprite | sanmarcos: I'm sure sudo works to if you use it right :) |
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| 20:49.18 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: or sudo -s or (assuming their shell is bash) sudo bash |
| 20:49.38 | FreakGuard | twobitsprite: oh, found it :/ |
| 20:49.40 | FreakGuard | was me :( |
| 20:49.46 | twobitsprite | \amethyst: shhh... sanmarcos is perferctly capable of reading man pages |
| 20:49.58 | twobitsprite | FreakGuard: what was it? |
| 20:50.00 | greycat | Nobody can read the sudo and sudoers man pages. |
| 20:50.06 | greycat | It's not humanly possible. |
| 20:50.18 | twobitsprite | heh |
| 20:50.23 | FreakGuard | twobitsprite: something like chmod fail in /etc |
| 20:50.24 | sanmarcos | \amethyst thanks, it works grat |
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| 20:50.31 | twobitsprite | FreakGuard: awesome |
| 20:50.55 | FreakGuard | twobitsprite: /etc/alternatives => 644 |
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| 20:54.55 | twobitsprite | yeah, that'll do it :P |
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| 20:54.58 | aksn | hi all, in KDE's web page I can read the following: Debian KDE 4.3.0 packages are available in the unstable repository. ; however, I can't find it in unstable repository. anybody knows when it will be launched? thanks |
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| 20:55.56 | twobitsprite | aksn: FYI, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages is a good place to find things |
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| 20:56.08 | twobitsprite | (you can get to that with packages.debian.org as well, btw) |
| 20:56.44 | cantido | will wait until it's in testing ;) |
| 20:56.53 | aksn | twobitsprite, yes, I've seen there is no kde 4.3 in packages.debian.org |
| 20:57.15 | aksn | but I'm confused as in kde's page (http://kde.org/download/#v4.3) you can read it's already |
| 20:57.24 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:57.33 | azeem | aksn: your mirror might be out of date |
| 20:57.39 | gorp | aksn, don't know about this broken kde, but packaged in stable Lenny you will find the more useful ratpoison window manager ... |
| 20:57.41 | azeem | and packages.debian.org is always a day behind as well |
| 20:57.45 | cantido | aksn: kde have probably updated their page a bit early or your mirror still hasnt got it |
| 20:57.56 | azeem | gorp: please respect other people's choice of software |
| 20:58.06 | azeem | http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdebase/news/20090804T164734Z.html |
| 20:58.18 | twobitsprite | aksn: obviously KDE is lying to you |
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| 21:01.05 | lucas_ | why the hell isn't this debootstrap install working? |
| 21:01.15 | lucas_ | doesn't make any Goddamned sense |
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| 21:02.22 | lucas_ | all that I really get is 'warning: unable to open an initial console', and 'kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!' |
| 21:02.24 | planet8 | I downloaded a new lenny 5.0.2 iso today and noticed that the debian volatile sources gets into source.list by default. Does anyone know why that is? |
| 21:02.25 | lucas_ | that's absolutely nothing to go on |
| 21:02.26 | lucas_ | nothing |
| 21:02.41 | lucas_ | the binaries are all of the correct machine format |
| 21:02.47 | \amethyst | !volatile |
| 21:02.48 | dpkg | methinks volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
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| 21:04.11 | cantido | lucas_: you still haven't said what your issue is.. |
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| 21:04.14 | planet8 | <\amethyst>, I know this, by why are they added by default? |
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| 21:04.43 | lucas_ | I'm trying to install Debian to a SD card and boot it using an embedded chip |
| 21:05.01 | planet8 | Also the official security team does not support debian-volatile |
| 21:05.11 | lucas_ | and all I've ever gotten are vague kernel panics |
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| 21:06.02 | Dominicus | What is the freenode channel to check with for questions about freenode? It's can't be #freenode, there's no one there. =( |
| 21:06.10 | teratoma_ | #noisebridge |
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| 21:06.32 | \amethyst | planet8: hm, I knew it asked about adding volatile, I hadn't seen volatile added by default before |
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| 21:07.46 | planet8 | <\amethyst>, okay - it does now. A clean install of 5.0.2 contains volatile and they are not commented out as would be expected. |
| 21:08.08 | \amethyst | planet8: did you get asked about it as the stage where you set up your mirrors? |
| 21:08.21 | planet8 | <\amethyst>, no |
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| 21:08.37 | \amethyst | Dominicus: you must have mistyped it, or joined on the wrong network |
| 21:08.49 | \amethyst | Dominicus: I see 530 people |
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| 21:09.08 | greycat | Or maybe he hit an overflow. |
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| 21:09.17 | syslq78 | Anyone had any problems resizing ext3 with parted? |
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| 21:09.32 | syslq78 | I'm just asking before I do it |
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| 21:09.53 | dazman | Yep, 5.0.2 here has volatile uncommented by default, too.. |
| 21:09.53 | pingouin | my scanner is in /proc/bus/usb/xxx/xxx+1 each time i plug it , so as simple user i can't run it , i have to first chmod 777 /proc/bus/usb/xxx/xxx then i can launch xsane and scan, i'm sure there is a better way ? |
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| 21:12.06 | pingouin | there is a /etc/udev/libsane rule : SYSFS{idVendor}=="04b8", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0121", MODE="664", GROUP="scanner" but... it's not working...to place the scan somewhere xsane can run it as simple user |
| 21:13.19 | \amethyst | pingouin: does that affect the /dev/bus/usb/xxx/yyy permissions? |
| 21:13.41 | \amethyst | pingouin: (I wouldn't expect it to affect the /proc permissions, since udev doesn't manage /proc) |
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| 21:15.37 | pingouin | \amethyst: when i chmod /proc/bus/usb/xxx/xxx+1 each time, i can launch xsane, but...it's not very...clean as solution |
| 21:15.58 | cantido | isn't there a scanner group that owns those nodes? |
| 21:16.13 | pingouin | i'm in the scanner group |
| 21:16.16 | pingouin | :/ |
| 21:16.18 | sanmarcos | is there a console tool to check my external ip address? |
| 21:16.25 | cantido | sanmarcos: ifconfig |
| 21:16.33 | sanmarcos | external I am under nat |
| 21:16.44 | cantido | sanmarcos: you'd need something like whatismyip.com then |
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| 21:18.04 | \amethyst | pingouin: what versions of libsane and libusb? |
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| 21:18.20 | tuantub | sanmarcos: curl -s www.showmyip.com | grep -i displaycopy\(\"[0-9] | sed -e 's/.*(\"\(.*\)\".*/\1/' |
| 21:18.52 | pingouin | \amethyst: ii libsane 1.0.18-5 |
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| 21:19.36 | \amethyst | pingouin: oh, etch? |
| 21:19.41 | pingouin | \amethyst: libusb-0.1-4 |
| 21:19.44 | pingouin | \amethyst: yes |
| 21:20.48 | pingouin | how can i read what's happen with udev when i plug the scan ? some udev log somewhere ? |
| 21:20.50 | \amethyst | pingouin: hm, I was going to say that's the problem, but the bug (#336596) was fixed bfore etch |
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| 21:21.44 | pingouin | \amethyst: i have to say that i ran this scan on this Etch install , without trouble since ... recently...maybe after an apt-get upgrade |
| 21:22.05 | pingouin | \amethyst: i dont launch the scan everyday so i can't tell when |
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| 21:22.44 | Dassu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.56 | Dassu | Should SSS sss |
| 21:23.26 | Dassu | Cups work out-of-box in local network ? When I have setup my printer in WUI ? |
| 21:23.33 | planet8 | I have a machine running lenny and I was thinking about upgrading it to testing. I can see that doing so makes me loose KDE and a bunch of other packages. Isn't KDE currently up and running in testing? |
| 21:23.36 | Dassu | I can't seem to get connection |
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| 21:27.26 | xand | Dassu: you have to enable the network bit of it - go to localhost:631; there is an option on the Administration tab |
| 21:27.30 | xand | I think |
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| 21:29.31 | kbs | my goal is to run a simple script from X via a key-binding, using the current selection as arguments to the script. However, I'd like to edit the selection before launching the script. I've tried fbrun, and "bash-inside-xterm" (bashlauncher) but am unable to find out how to set the selection region in those apps to the arguments |
| 21:29.47 | kbs | Looking for ideas on how to approach this problem... |
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| 21:30.18 | nsadmin | kbs: konquerer does that editing thing |
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| 21:30.52 | kbs | nsadmin: ah. So I'm currently using fluxbox -- is there a lightweight way to do the same thing, without launching konqueror itself? |
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| 21:31.50 | nsadmin | kbs: you asked for approaches... so, you might explore how konqueror does it |
| 21:31.58 | nsadmin | by looking at source |
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| 21:32.10 | kbs | heh |
| 21:32.15 | kbs | Ok |
| 21:32.24 | nsadmin | actually I'm not sure it's konqueror, but part of kde |
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| 21:32.54 | nsadmin | it will show up when you make a selection like a url |
| 21:33.08 | nsadmin | then it shows up as a menu |
| 21:33.30 | nsadmin | two of the items are icewwasel and konqueror |
| 21:33.36 | nsadmin | another is edit selection |
| 21:33.43 | kbs | ah, I see |
| 21:34.09 | nsadmin | one thing to be observed from this, is it's possible to do it |
| 21:34.20 | kbs | yeah. I have a few more uses, mostly for my own custom use, which is why I'd like to find simple scripted approaches |
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| 21:35.03 | kbs | Currently, I have several keybindings set up to (for instance) run emacs on a cut-selection from anywhere, or place the current cut-buffer as an editable emacs buffer |
| 21:35.07 | nsadmin | why not experiment with something like tcl/tk, or with the clipboard apps out there |
| 21:35.39 | kbs | xclip does most of what I need already; and I'd like to avoid writing a full app to just edit a command line if at all possible |
| 21:36.14 | nsadmin | there's something to edit command lines... they |
| 21:36.20 | nsadmin | re called shells :) |
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| 21:36.33 | kbs | :-) |
| 21:36.35 | nsadmin | also emacs has shell mode |
| 21:36.49 | kbs | yeah, but that's not the way I use it, I guess |
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| 21:37.09 | kbs | basically, (eg:) I see a piece of code in a web browser, I select it, then (eg) run operations on it |
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| 21:37.26 | kbs | operations could be to edit, or execute (in the case of elisp code) |
| 21:37.40 | kbs | and my cut selections come from anywhere (email, chat, etc) |
| 21:37.44 | nsadmin | well I can't really help here. you seem to be bouncing the ball back to me every time I suggest something |
| 21:37.50 | nsadmin | this is a common pattern... |
| 21:38.10 | kbs | that's ok -- thanks for the suggestions, appreciated |
| 21:38.30 | nsadmin | np; good luck with your experimentation |
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| 21:39.22 | Albertico | hi |
| 21:39.40 | Albertico | someone here with an nvidia geforce and 1366x768 monitor? |
| 21:39.55 | Albertico | i only can put that resolution with nv driver not with nvidia, can anybody help |
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| 21:51.17 | YeTr2 | Albertico: what version of card & driver? |
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| 21:56.05 | Albertico | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.35 | Albertico | nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 21:56.38 | Albertico | debian lenny |
| 21:56.51 | Albertico | YeTr2: what can I do? |
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| 21:58.07 | YeTr2 | Albertico: pastebin your xorg configuration |
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| 22:00.11 | negge | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 would this comparison still be considered accurate? |
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| 22:01.01 | negge | I feel kinda stupid to have chosen ext3 for my LVM volumes on my file server. It would probably be best to get a new big drive, transfer everything to it then reformat the LVM, transfer the stuff back then add the new drive to the volume |
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| 22:02.22 | OpenTokix | negge: whats wrong with ext3? |
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| 22:04.24 | ranix | OpenTokix: xfs or ext4 tend to be better for certain things |
| 22:05.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I like reiser despite the anti-hype :) |
| 22:05.51 | pingouin | ext4 is "stable" yet ?! |
| 22:06.02 | YeTr2 | reiserfs, the only filesystem likely to kill your wife :D |
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| 22:06.26 | _pub_landlord | does freenode support ssl ? |
| 22:06.32 | YeTr2 | _pub_landlord: no |
| 22:06.49 | OpenTokix | ranix: ext4 isnt even stablized yet, faik |
| 22:06.57 | OpenTokix | ranix: xfs is nice, until it breaks |
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| 22:07.13 | YeTr2 | ext4 is fine, as long as you never lose power. |
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| 22:07.43 | negge | OpenTokix: it tends to be slow for me. I know my drives are faster than what they seem. |
| 22:08.16 | negge | and as I have about 1TB of big files (read downloaded movies and TV shows) and constantly add and delete gigabytes of data I think XFS would be a better choice. |
| 22:08.23 | YeTr2 | ext4 has some options it can set for increased performance, at the cost of recovery after power loss. |
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| 22:09.01 | negge | the fact that deleting a DVD .iso file from an ext3 filesystem takes about 10 seconds alone is a good reason to switch |
| 22:09.15 | enouf | shit, how should i restart the X server though SSH, i usually ctrl-alt-backspace, or better, /etc/init.d/{DM} restart, but there's no gdm/kdm/xdm installed |
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| 22:09.56 | negge | enouf: I usually just run "startx"...:D |
| 22:10.03 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:10.12 | enouf | i don't even think 'init 1' && 'init 2' would do it, there's somethings X in /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 22:10.21 | enouf | negge: ... |
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| 22:10.26 | negge | :D |
| 22:10.59 | YeTr2 | the distributions that I know of that don't use /etc/init.d/[g,k,x]dm are redhat based distributions. for those, since it's normally gnome, you run `gdm-restart` |
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| 22:11.56 | enouf | negge: i just upgraded the X server, and installed a new kernel and rebooted - which all worked out perfectly - even sshd started on it's own (yeah rcconf) .. and the # kopts= line made update-grub do the right thing, so it's all good |
| 22:12.04 | enouf | now, how to restart the X server? |
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| 22:12.16 | enouf | (through SSH) |
| 22:12.30 | bizzle_ | so why are debian users such tightwads? |
| 22:12.31 | enouf | YeTr2: no DE here, no DM here |
| 22:12.48 | YeTr2 | enouf: they why would X need to run? |
| 22:12.52 | enouf | bizzle_: we're don't reamed out assholes like people you know do? |
| 22:13.01 | enouf | YeTr2: huh? |
| 22:13.04 | enouf | i'm using it |
| 22:13.10 | enouf | for xterms and movies |
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| 22:13.26 | bizzle_ | enouf, english plz kthx |
| 22:13.30 | enouf | YeTr2: there IS a WM |
| 22:13.42 | enouf | bizzle_: bozobox plzkthanks |
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| 22:14.01 | bizzle_ | you didn't answer the question |
| 22:14.16 | bizzle_ | are you guys bummed that stallman shaved his beard? |
| 22:14.32 | enouf | but where did all the bugs go? |
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| 22:15.00 | bizzle_ | http://www.stargazette.com/blogs/genx/apbond/img/blasphemy.jpg |
| 22:15.03 | bizzle_ | hey check that out guys |
| 22:15.07 | enouf | s +/have/ |
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| 22:15.48 | Oel_AAO | now now bizzle, play nice |
| 22:15.50 | enouf | ok - onto other channels folks - i'll get it - thanks |
| 22:16.04 | themill | bizzle_: wrong channel |
| 22:16.11 | bizzle_ | oh this isn't #4chan? |
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| 22:16.41 | bizzle_ | you guys are boring |
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| 22:16.48 | zleap | why |
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| 22:17.47 | YeTr2 | enouf: you'll probably need to look at startx script to see how it starts up the X server, as far as I can tell, it's normally the DM's that start up X for themselves. |
| 22:18.32 | Bagualas | is there any option on apt-get that I can default the option to keep the actual version of conf... and I cant be prompted |
| 22:18.38 | hugo | thinking to switch to debian from osx. one thing i was wondering is that can i use iphone with debian. is there anyone doing it? |
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| 22:19.06 | YeTr2 | hugo: did you jailbreak your iphone? |
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| 22:19.16 | konrad_ | apparently my vim has very few syntax highlighting files. Is there a package that contains extra ones? |
| 22:19.20 | enouf | YeTr2: yeah .. we'll see -- thanks - startx calls /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 22:19.40 | enouf | which then starts pointing to a whole host of other files with VARIABLEs and such |
| 22:19.44 | hugo | YeTr2: no |
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| 22:20.09 | g00se | man xinit |
| 22:20.28 | YeTr2 | hugo: then no, there isn't any real way to use the iphone outside of itunes, which runs only on OSX and Win32 |
| 22:20.32 | Oel_AAO | hugo, I know this is terribly inconvenient and I bet someone might flame me for suggesting this but why not just dual boot? |
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| 22:21.12 | hugo | Oel_AAO: i'd rather want to switch to debian 100% |
| 22:21.37 | hugo | so frustrated with windows/mac |
| 22:21.45 | Bagualas | is there any option on apt-get that is non interactive, I mean, I cant select option for upgrade packages... like keep the conf??? |
| 22:22.03 | YeTr2 | hugo: what specifically were you looking for feature-wise with iphone->non-itunes ? |
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| 22:22.13 | Oel_AAO | I might suggest getting another phone but chances are it would require windows with some badly written software >_> |
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| 22:22.49 | hugo | YeTr2: sync and iphone os upgrade |
| 22:22.51 | rock | alguien que hable en español? |
| 22:22.54 | rock | !!! |
| 22:22.54 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 22:23.09 | rock | plase |
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| 22:23.18 | Tramp | !tell rock about es |
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| 22:24.53 | hugo | still hard to live with debian for daily use |
| 22:25.04 | hugo | that's bad |
| 22:25.07 | YeTr2 | hugo: there are some really basic utilities available in linux that can facilitate the upgrading process of iStuffs, but using them is a complex process. as for syncing, I'm pretty sure that'll be a no without considering jailbreaking |
| 22:26.10 | hugo | hope i could use debian desktop |
| 22:26.41 | hugo | YeTr2: then i gave up. thx for info |
| 22:26.45 | YeTr2 | syncing involves but not limited to: music, apps, contacts, photos, calander, notes |
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| 22:27.05 | YeTr2 | I havn't heard anything on anyone being able to figure out iphone |
| 22:27.31 | YeTr2 | db format |
| 22:27.43 | Oel_AAO | if you did not need syncing then I would suggest trying out some virtualization apps.. but yea.. :S |
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| 22:43.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's more than one? |
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| 22:44.35 | fas3r | how to list ssh tunnel created on my gateway :) ? |
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| 22:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hugo, hm, there's an ifuse package in debian http://matt.colyer.name/projects/iphone-linux/ |
| 22:46.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that's any help |
| 22:46.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:48.33 | Albertic1 | YeTr2: are you there? |
| 22:48.41 | YeTr2 | Albertic1: maybe |
| 22:48.57 | Smss | there is someone that please can help me with youtube-dl on debian? |
| 22:49.11 | Smss | 2 little things i think... |
| 22:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !youtube script |
| 22:50.33 | dpkg | youtube script is, like, see http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script so you can instantly watch youtube videos using mplayer No need for big BLOATED browsers and their Plugins and Extensions.. Updated (August 09 2008 - thanks amphi) added versatility and improved functionality. An alternative is the 'youtube-dl' package (in Sid now only it seems - (and some etch-m68k pkgs)), another option is "clive". |
| 22:50.38 | Albertic1 | YeTr2: http://pastebin.com/m57a646cc |
| 22:51.34 | Albertic1 | that is my xorg, my problem is that my nvidia GeForce4 MX 440 with nvidia driver cant give me 1366x768 resolution of my LCD screen, but nv free driver can |
| 22:51.47 | Albertic1 | but with nv i have not 3d acceleration and better performance |
| 22:52.34 | fas3r | nobody :s? |
| 22:52.52 | neoark | anyone good with bash script know how to remove period at the end of sentence ? |
| 22:53.00 | Smss | i need to do some little things in the youtube script but i try and i dont get it work... |
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| 22:53.44 | YeTr2 | CutMeOwnThroat: omg ifuse just vomited data all across my screen.. mostly useful thou |
| 22:55.18 | Trewas | Albertic1: I have a 1366x768 tv and I got 1360x768 mode working directly with nvidia driver (X gets the mode with edid), I haven't even tried to get the last 6 pixels enabled |
| 22:55.20 | YeTr2 | CutMeOwnThroat: it is kinda funny how I can find jailbreak.log in the root directory of my iphone mount. |
| 22:55.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't have an iphone |
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| 22:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Albertic1, you can always make your own modelines if you need some special ones for a resolution |
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| 22:56.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !modeline |
| 22:56.45 | dpkg | You can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or use cvt or gtf, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
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| 22:57.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | your current xorg.conf doesn't have them ... or needs them, but you CAN have them |
| 22:57.08 | YeTr2 | Albertic1: comment out dri and GLcore lines in your modules section. they are not needed.. |
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| 22:59.17 | YeTr2 | Albertic1: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 23:03.43 | lizone | need help with setting up a sockd server on lenny; my initial setup works flawlessly except http traffic; seems like pam is needed for browsing though in browser there is no section for a password and username |
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| 23:06.17 | shafu | any command line tool to convert .caf files into .mp3? |
| 23:06.35 | lizone | I didn't mention i'm using openvpn server to connect to the socked proxy server |
| 23:06.52 | lizone | anyone willing to help? |
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| 23:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is .caf |
| 23:07.28 | shafu | apple format |
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| 23:08.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | lizone, just ask... if someone knows (I won't), he'll answer... you might repeat when it's a little more busy than now |
| 23:08.38 | YeTr2 | CutMeOwnThroat: I take it iFuse isn't perfect yet.. there seems to be a large chunk of my FS missing from my iPhone |
| 23:09.00 | mattford63 | hi, i'm all stuck. Can someone let me know if on 5.02 they have the following file /usr/share/acpi-support/state-funcs? |
| 23:09.07 | mattford63 | And which pkg it's in. |
| 23:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | YeTr2, "apt-cache show ifuse" - looks like it's a "work in progress", but got into a usable state recently |
| 23:09.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell mattford63 -about apt-file |
| 23:09.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't have that file |
| 23:10.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't mean anything |
| 23:10.21 | shafu | so anyone knows? |
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| 23:10.24 | thorerik | hi |
| 23:10.29 | mattford63 | hmmm - it's refereced at the top of my /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 23:10.30 | lizone | CutMeOwnThroat, got it |
| 23:10.41 | mattford63 | so it never runs |
| 23:10.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | shafu, you got anything that can play .caf, whatever that is? |
| 23:11.01 | thorerik | I got a BCM43 based card, where do i get the fwcutter tool? |
| 23:11.05 | mattford63 | seems odd |
| 23:11.24 | mattford63 | (from a fresh install of acpi-supprt) |
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| 23:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | shafu, mplayer might be worth a try.. it's got lots of codecs... or mencoder respectively |
| 23:11.56 | YeTr2 | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, connecting the usb to my iphone puts me in /private/var/mobile/Media on the iPhone |
| 23:12.04 | YeTr2 | CutMeOwnThroat: I'd rather be in / |
| 23:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | shafu, you can always go in two steps, though .caf->.wav->mp3, using lame for the wav->mp3 step and some player that knows how to handle your .caf for .caf->.wav |
| 23:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell shafu -about dmm |
| 23:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | you will need non-free stuff from dmm for encoding mp3 on Debian, though |
| 23:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | fas3r, netstat -an? not sure what "ssh tunnel created on my gateway" are |
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| 23:16.58 | fas3r | CutMeOwnThroat: yes i have find ^^ |
| 23:17.10 | shafu | CutMeOwnThroat: i see what are you saying..but..i need a command line player..lame spits : Warning: unsupported audio format |
| 23:17.29 | fas3r | CutMeOwnThroat: (by tunnel i mean tunnel ssh -N -L .... ) |
| 23:17.33 | thorerik | never mind my question lol, shoulve googled first |
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| 23:18.04 | fas3r | CutMeOwnThroat: now i search how to disconnect it (remove it :) ) |
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| 23:25.19 | zl_benson | Is anyone here familiar with installing Debian Lenny on a Dell PowerEdge R410? |
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| 23:30.23 | Albertic1 | YeTr2: did you read me |
| 23:30.25 | Albertic1 | ? |
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| 23:32.21 | Albertic1 | YeTr2: http://pastebin.com/m4f763d3 |
| 23:32.35 | Albertic1 | but it make no sense, it works with nv and not with nvidia driver |
| 23:32.41 | Albertic1 | so why should I use modelines? |
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| 23:33.45 | electronicsleep | hello, I have a question when doing a aptitude dist-upgrade I get a score of -945 I am not sure what to do, if I should continue or not |
| 23:34.08 | electronicsleep | or maybe I should use a different command to upgrade instead |
| 23:34.18 | abrotman | electronicsleep: paste the full output in a pastebin |
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| 23:39.30 | electronicsleep | hi abrotman thanks here it is http://pastebin.com/d6b0c2c7f |
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| 23:40.09 | abrotman | electronicsleep: you're mixing versions of debian |
| 23:40.29 | electronicsleep | I just want it to be the stable version |
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| 23:41.27 | abrotman | electronicsleep: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 23:42.20 | electronicsleep | abrotman: here it is thanks http://pastebin.com/d7c8b3ffc |
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| 23:43.21 | abrotman | notes his kingsley-quotient is on the rise ... |
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| 23:43.49 | abrotman | !tell electronicsleep about etch->lenny |
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| 23:48.15 | electronicsleep | abrotman: my sources say stable so shouldnt everything upgrade to stable? |
| 23:48.32 | electronicsleep | abrotman: so this dist-upgrade will break my system? |
| 23:49.15 | abrotman | electronicsleep: you still have to migrate to the next version of stable |
| 23:49.25 | electronicsleep | abrotman: or should I just update my apt source to the lenny name and try the upgrade? |
| 23:49.47 | abrotman | i'd recommend using the name anyways .. but you'll have to finish your dist-upgrade sooner or later |
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| 23:50.24 | electronicsleep | abrotman: so I should do the dist-upgrade, i dont know what a good score is |
| 23:50.42 | abrotman | probably a positive number .. follow the release notes |
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| 23:55.24 | electronicsleep | abortman: ok thanks I am just going to back up and go through the notes thanks! |
| 23:55.31 | abrotman | good plan |
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