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| 00:13.09 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: u |
| 00:13.22 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: see http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/help.html |
| 00:13.24 | dondelelcaro | (or similar) |
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| 00:14.06 | dondelelcaro | (and it's better to ask about undo than some random program in some random operating system's shortcut; C-_ for example is how my editor does undo...) |
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| 00:24.07 | zl_benson | Are the Broadcom 5716 NIC's support by Lenny? |
| 00:25.26 | streuner | !listvals 5716 |
| 00:25.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of '5716' by value (4): rfc732 ;; bnx2 ;; bcm5716s ;; bcm5716. |
| 00:25.38 | streuner | !bcm5716 |
| 00:25.38 | dpkg | [bcm5716] the Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5716/BCM5716S Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express network controllers (14e4:163b, 14e4:163c). They are not supported by the <bnx2> driver in Lenny's 2.6.26 kernel. For support of these devices during Debian installation, ask me about <kmuto> - use lenny-custom-0627 or later - and read the comments regarding firmware in http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
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| 00:39.11 | _AnywhereIs_ | im moving some data to reiserfs 3.6 partition. anyone experienced any problems with reiserfs 3.6? someone says it's still not production-stable. |
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| 00:46.23 | karsten | _AnywhereIs_: Nina. |
| 00:46.38 | Mango | does Debian support multi threading and multi cores? |
| 00:46.44 | karsten | _AnywhereIs_: I'd stick w/ ext3fs or look to one of the advanced journaling FSs. |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | Mango: yes |
| 00:46.49 | karsten | _AnywhereIs_: Reiser's dead. |
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| 00:47.17 | Mango | I was talking about supercomputers in #linux and asked what linux distros are used in supercomputers |
| 00:47.35 | karsten | Mango: Various distros. Mostly RH, SuSE, Debian. |
| 00:47.46 | karsten | Mango: ... or customized variants based on same. |
| 00:47.51 | FreakGuard | _AnywhereIs_: let's say reiserfs is dead |
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| 00:48.10 | karsten | Mango: And it depends on what you mean by "supercomputer". Most system fitting that description are really just large batch-processing farms. |
| 00:48.17 | _AnywhereIs_ | FreakGuard: is it worse than ext3? |
| 00:48.32 | Mango | people said that supercomputers use a customized version of the Linux kernel to *support* multi threading and multi cores and to make better performnace |
| 00:48.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | _AnywhereIs_, I only had problems once with reiserfs... around 2001 or so |
| 00:48.51 | `nes | I use reiserfs... no prob :S |
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| 00:48.57 | abrotman | Mango: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 00:49.01 | BoltPower21 | can i set the default gateway with the ifconfig command? |
| 00:49.08 | abrotman | BoltPower21: man route |
| 00:49.14 | Mango | abrotman: "karsten: Mango: Various distros. Mostly RH, SuSE, Debian." |
| 00:49.29 | abrotman | Mango: yes .. and ? |
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| 00:50.01 | _AnywhereIs_ | `nes: for how long and what OS, version of reiserfsprogs? |
| 00:50.11 | karsten | Mango: other than idle curiosity, what is your interest? |
| 00:50.31 | BoltPower21 | abrotman: Thanks, i know that i can use route to add the default gateway. But I just clairfy that ifconfig can not set the default gateway? |
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| 00:50.48 | karsten | BoltPower21: No, ifconfig can't. |
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| 00:51.01 | BoltPower21 | karsten: cool thanks. |
| 00:51.03 | _AnywhereIs_ | thinks supercomputer with SuSE is a waste of power |
| 00:51.03 | `nes | _AnywhereIs_: really really, since 2 weeks, some friends recommended it to me... so why could not try it? |
| 00:51.07 | Mango | People suggested using Scientific Linux for supercomputers. I told them I used to Debian but I want the abilities in Scientific Linux for my needs |
| 00:51.11 | karsten | BoltPower21: ifupdown can define default route in /etc/network/interfaces, however. man5 interfaces. |
| 00:51.30 | _AnywhereIs_ | `nes: just the same. trying something new. |
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| 00:51.41 | Mango | so I wonder if Debian has the abilities of Scientific Linux |
| 00:51.57 | Mango | Scientific Linux is based on Enterprise |
| 00:52.06 | `nes | _AnywhereIs_: acutally, I can say that it's fastest, really didn't do a benchmark |
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| 00:52.51 | _AnywhereIs_ | `nes: thanks |
| 00:53.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but we don't know what "the abilities of Scientific Linux" are |
| 00:53.17 | `nes | _AnywhereIs_: why? :P haha |
| 00:53.40 | Arrowmaster | "Enterprise" what? |
| 00:53.52 | Mango | yeah I told you, in #linux people said that Scientific Linux supports multi threading and multi cores better |
| 00:53.56 | Mango | RH Enterprise |
| 00:54.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mango, you can support multi cores "better"? |
| 00:54.28 | Mango | check this: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/personal-supercomputers/ |
| 00:54.47 | karsten | Mango: Um. Better than what? Beach sand? |
| 00:55.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mango, you can run debian userspace on any kernel... of course if you need special tools to address things in the kernel, they might be lacking |
| 00:55.03 | Mango | I dunno |
| 00:55.05 | Mango | " ross`: Mango: they proly use a customized kernel" |
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| 00:55.13 | Mango | "ross`: that alows support for all cores" |
| 00:55.22 | Mango | " ross`: making multi threading more effective etc etc" |
| 00:55.27 | abrotman | uh .. |
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| 00:56.27 | karsten | Mango: Are you actually in posession of a $10m budget for specifying a supercomputer, or are you just wanking on channel and wasting our time? |
| 00:56.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mango, they're using GPUs for computing... that's the graphic processors of the NVIDIA graphic cards that normally do the 3D stuff iirc |
| 00:56.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, hehe |
| 00:56.50 | abrotman | goes with the latter |
| 00:56.58 | Mango | karsten: no I have six machines and I want to make cluster computing |
| 00:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mango, that's not what that article talks about though, as far as I can see |
| 00:57.22 | abrotman | Mango: there are clustering apps in debian already .. see beowulf and MPI |
| 00:57.33 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, this is NCSA/UIUC, and their use of XBoxes running Linux fof supercomputing. |
| 00:57.35 | Mango | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah I know |
| 00:57.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you only have a very fuzzy idea of all this |
| 00:57.54 | Mango | CutMeOwnThroat: I can't afford the prices of these graphic cards |
| 00:58.03 | karsten | Mango: Supercomputer deisng is application-specific. What sort of cluster are you planning on building, and for what purpose? |
| 00:58.48 | karsten | Mango: If you're looking at a bach-mode processing system, see LSF from Platform Computers as one exemplar model, yes, there's F/OSS equivalents, I don't know of them off the top of my head. |
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| 00:59.03 | Mango | I just want to learn. Asking for the appropriate OS |
| 00:59.21 | karsten | Mango: Otherwise, for single-system-image computing you've pretty much got Beowulf and Mosix, and IIRC Mosix is fairly dead. |
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| 01:00.15 | karsten | Mango: My suggestion would be you research "building linux supercomputers" and/or "cluster computing with linux". And don't buy the O'Reilly supercomputer book which flopped horribly. |
| 01:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mango, I don't think that's how it works though... you have a certain application that can do distributed calculations and you build your cluseter around it (not that I'd have done it myself) |
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| 01:00.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | or possibly several ones |
| 01:01.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !beowulf |
| 01:01.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beowulf is that nifty cluster technology at http://www.beowulf.org, or http://www.debian.org/ports/beowulf/ |
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| 01:02.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mango, ^^^ that might be a good starting point for Debian |
| 01:02.05 | karsten | Mango: Infiscale is one of the more recent really interesting things I've seen. |
| 01:02.07 | Mango | So is Debian my OS of choice for such a project? |
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| 01:02.24 | karsten | Mango: Debian's pretty flexible and should be a good start, but might not be where you want to end up. |
| 01:02.37 | karsten | Mango: You need to do a lot of research and this isn't the best place for you to do it. |
| 01:03.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially the FAQ therein |
| 01:04.00 | Polarina | How do I make apache2 listen to IPv6 only and bind to a certain IPv6 address? |
| 01:04.20 | Mango | karsten: I just wondered because Scientific Linux is base on RH Enterprise and not Debian. I thought Scientific Linux is based on Debian cuz it's so stable |
| 01:04.29 | Mango | *based |
| 01:04.36 | abrotman | Mango: ask them, not us |
| 01:04.38 | D-Boy | Hi, in /var/log/syslog i have many lines like stock pop3d: LOGIN FAILED, user=oracle, ip=[::ffff:74.7.71.86] (with different users like admin root data...) is that a kind of intrusion ? |
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| 01:04.57 | D-Boy | (the same ip again and again) |
| 01:04.58 | abrotman | D-Boy: it's someone trying to login to your pop3 server |
| 01:05.10 | abrotman | a dumb person |
| 01:05.27 | D-Boy | ah so he failed, do i have do to do something to prevent ? |
| 01:05.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Polarina, can't you just give it a NameVirtualHost statement with <ipv6 address>:80? |
| 01:05.50 | Polarina | D-Boy: Make a little program that responds a failed login attempt with "I know where you are, you can't hide from me!" |
| 01:06.01 | Polarina | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll try that. |
| 01:06.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | D-Boy, perhaps have a look at fail2ban for general principles |
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| 01:06.38 | karsten | Mango: 1. I've never heard of Scientific Linux until just now. 2. RHEL tends to be bigger in the proprietary / enterprise space, though it's by no means got it locked up (my current gig is Debian-based). |
| 01:06.58 | D-Boy | CutMeOwnThroat : didn't install fail2ban yet :/ i will :) |
| 01:07.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | D-Boy, need to configure it to look at your pop3, though (and I've never used it for pop3, so don't know if that's specifically supported, but it's rather versatile so it might) |
| 01:07.15 | beardy | fail2ban is crap. |
| 01:07.18 | beardy | Use iptables. |
| 01:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | fail2ban USES iptables |
| 01:07.39 | Schuenemann | lol |
| 01:07.51 | beardy | Yes, but it's slow, and it really uses python, which inserts iptables rules too late, yes. |
| 01:07.54 | beardy | !lol |
| 01:07.54 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 01:07.56 | beardy | !lol |
| 01:08.13 | D-Boy | beardy : i'm not familiar with iptables yet and i don't want to cut my proper ssh connection to the server ^^ but i'll try to learn about iptables |
| 01:08.28 | D-Boy | Polarina : i like the idea ^^ |
| 01:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | worked a treat for me to keep bruteforece-dumfuck attacks at a manageable size in my logs |
| 01:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | D-Boy, also, fail2ban unbans the IP after (configurable) 5 minutes or so... |
| 01:09.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally the guy has given up then |
| 01:09.43 | D-Boy | the guy was trying like 4 hours |
| 01:09.45 | Polarina | CutMeOwnThroat: I get a "Name or service not known: Failed to resolve server name for <ipv6 address> (check DNS) -- or specify an explicit ServerName" |
| 01:09.48 | D-Boy | from 4h to 8h |
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| 01:09.49 | fas3r | i want to use ccd with my openvpn. In the client file in /etc/openvpn/ccd/ i need to specify the broadcast or the ip client adress ? |
| 01:10.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Polarina, err. you're supposet to replace <ipv6 address> with your static ipv6 Ip |
| 01:10.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever that is |
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| 01:10.36 | Polarina | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, I did that. I censored it before pasting in this channel. |
| 01:10.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that seemed to be the obvious way for me |
| 01:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously that IP is not resolved in your DNS |
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| 01:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so "host <ipv6 address>" should give you a similar error |
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| 01:11.26 | Polarina | Yes. |
| 01:11.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Polarina, either fix your DNS or do what the apache error suggests or add the ipv6 address to /etc/hosts |
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| 01:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Polarina, but if your DNS doesn't resolve that address, nobody will be able to reach you with it anyway |
| 01:12.09 | Polarina | CutMeOwnThroat: Why would I need to do that? |
| 01:12.33 | Polarina | Why would my DNS need to resolve a IPv6 address? |
| 01:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | how's anyone going to reach you on that address if not via DNS? |
| 01:13.12 | Polarina | CutMeOwnThroat: Cause it's an address, not a domain name. |
| 01:13.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | so? How do people get to the webserver? |
| 01:14.01 | abrotman | magic! |
| 01:14.01 | Polarina | By typing that address into their browser address bar. |
| 01:14.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean the IP? |
| 01:14.24 | Polarina | Yes. |
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| 01:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't work with virtual hosts |
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| 01:15.01 | Polarina | I don't want a virtual host. |
| 01:15.31 | Polarina | IPv6 deprecates it (in theory). |
| 01:16.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | we're all supposed to type IPs? |
| 01:16.33 | Polarina | Will you help me or not? |
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| 01:19.52 | tawan | whats that little distro used for backing up / cloning your partitions? |
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| 01:20.58 | abrotman | tawan: ask google ? |
| 01:21.38 | abrotman | !clonezilla |
| 01:21.38 | dpkg | Clonezilla Live is a live CD disk/partition cloning tool similar to Symantec Ghost. Based on Debian, Partition Image, <ntfsclone>, et al. http://www.clonezilla.org/ See also <based on Debian>. |
| 01:21.39 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 01:21.39 | _AnywhereIs_ | tawan: parted magic? |
| 01:22.23 | tawan | conezillia is the one i think, thanks |
| 01:22.28 | _AnywhereIs_ | Polarina: i know you can use IP instead of domain name if your IP is outstanding :DD |
| 01:25.16 | campassi | i'm trying to make my laptop sleep when I close the lid. any ideas? |
| 01:26.32 | KC | so how horrible is ndiswrapper? |
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| 01:28.34 | Polarina | Is there a very simple, extremely minimalistic, HTTP server that supports IPv6? |
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| 01:29.32 | _AnywhereIs_ | apache httpd 2.2 doesn't? |
| 01:30.18 | _AnywhereIs_ | i always thought it can parse Listen ip:v:s:i:x:80 or how-it-writes there |
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| 01:30.27 | Polarina | Apache is weird. |
| 01:30.44 | abrotman | did you ask #apache? |
| 01:30.51 | Polarina | I'll try that. |
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| 01:33.34 | tpocra | The non-free firmware in the Linux kernel... is that all located in /lib/firmware/ ? Or are the blobs installed into other places as well? |
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| 01:38.09 | abrotman | tpocra: debian will look for firmware in /lib/firmware/ |
| 01:38.53 | tpocra | abrotman: I'm running 2.6.30 in sid |
| 01:39.06 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:39.11 | tpocra | and I'm trying to figure out how much of the non-free firmware is stripped out of the image |
| 01:40.54 | abrotman | ben had some analysis a few weeks ago |
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| 01:48.53 | Circuitsoft | Hello. |
| 01:48.56 | xeros | Want to specify more than one domain in advanced google search. I've tired a space between domains and a comma/space between but it isn't working. Anyone know if more than one domain is possible? Thanks. |
| 01:49.02 | Circuitsoft | How can I run chroot under qemu-arm? |
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| 01:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Circuitsoft, scratchbox? |
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| 01:53.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure if I got that question right |
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| 01:54.13 | abrotman | xeros: #google |
| 01:54.51 | Circuitsoft | # qemu-arm usr/bin/env LANG=C SHELL=/bin/bash usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/debian/ |
| 01:54.53 | Circuitsoft | /lib/ld-linux.so.3: No such file or directory |
| 01:55.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian switched to scratchbox2, though... |
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| 01:56.59 | xeros | @abrotman from #google " Note: This is not a support channel" |
| 01:57.34 | abrotman | uh .. okay |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | so what is it ? |
| 01:57.52 | sylar | how to search packages installed on my computer? |
| 01:58.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | search for what |
| 01:58.23 | sylar | CutMeOwnThroat, $ search what |
| 01:58.25 | Circuitsoft | sylar - dpkg-query -l <pattern> |
| 01:58.35 | xeros | devs? dunno. Any idea on more than one domain for a google search? |
| 01:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 01:59.04 | abrotman | sylar: what are you searching for ? |
| 01:59.19 | sylar | what dictionary I have on |
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| 01:59.39 | abrotman | sylar: dpkg -l *dict* |
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| 01:59.58 | sylar | abrotman, o , nice |
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| 02:00.46 | sylar | I seem to have lots of them |
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| 02:01.00 | sylar | I wonder which ones are the good ones :/ |
| 02:01.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | onlye the ones with ii are installed |
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| 02:01.14 | sylar | what does the ii/un mean? |
| 02:01.22 | sylar | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
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| 02:01.30 | sylar | CutMeOwnThroat, are you a time traveler? |
| 02:01.30 | abrotman | sylar: man dpkg |
| 02:01.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's explained in the 1st 2 lines of output |
| 02:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | or that |
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| 02:02.42 | sylar | ok that narrows it down, |
| 02:03.07 | sylar | thanks |
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| 02:05.19 | sylar | does acroread-dictionary-en help in emacs? |
| 02:05.29 | sylar | or gedit? |
| 02:06.01 | enouf | abrotman: what the F are you doing up? oh wait .. it's only ... jheh :-p |
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| 02:07.40 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:08.55 | flourish | hi, a question. Please see the inetd section of page http://penguin-breeder.org/sane/saned/, what doest the "if your system is using tcpd" mean? |
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| 02:23.27 | enouf | sylar: nobody cares, even though i do use acroread, since all other alternatives render as slow as 'dripping shit in the winter' |
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| 02:23.43 | enouf | sylar: emacs is an OS |
| 02:23.47 | enouf | runs |
| 02:24.15 | enouf | flourish: the 'd' == daemon |
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| 02:25.27 | herb_ | hi everybody! |
| 02:25.30 | enouf | xingu: hola amigo ;-0 . i just want to thank you for the insight |
| 02:25.43 | herb_ | i've just installed debian unstable, but it says login is incorrect |
| 02:25.51 | flourish | enouf: yes, but can you please give me an example |
| 02:25.56 | enouf | herb_: because it is |
| 02:25.57 | herb_ | i chose not to activate root account |
| 02:26.00 | abrotman | maybe you should isntall stable |
| 02:26.11 | herb_ | enouf, no, im sure that login and password is correct |
| 02:26.14 | enouf | flourish: example of what? |
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| 02:26.29 | herb_ | when i enter as a single user, no password is required |
| 02:26.31 | enouf | herb_: wrong |
| 02:26.37 | flourish | enouf: example of howto make sure my system is using tcpd or not |
| 02:27.05 | enouf | flourish: look at ps auxf, or install pstree and use 0lunap |
| 02:27.10 | enouf | er -lunap |
| 02:27.21 | enouf | system? |
| 02:27.35 | enouf | like an automaton? |
| 02:27.58 | enouf | dpkg: bitchslap my ex-gf for calling me |
| 02:27.58 | dpkg | bitchslaps my ex-gf for calling me around the room |
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| 02:28.49 | enouf | flourish: netstat and lsof are also your friends |
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| 02:29.59 | abrotman | enouf: knock it off |
| 02:30.11 | enouf | what? |
| 02:30.12 | flourish | enouf: for ps aux , what should be queried? tcpd? |
| 02:30.19 | enouf | abrotman: stfu asshole |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | enouf: keep your gf out of the channel, thanks |
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| 02:30.26 | flourish | 1000 5649 0.0 0.0 12200 804 pts/0 S+ 10:30 0:00 grep --color=auto tcpd |
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| 02:41.28 | herb_ | how can i unlock root account? |
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| 02:42.05 | Edgardoweb | hi |
| 02:42.40 | abrotman | herb_: just set a password for it |
| 02:42.52 | herb_ | abrotman, thanc |
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| 02:49.14 | abrotman | herb_: did you get it ? |
| 02:49.28 | herb_ | abrotman, yes, thanks a lot :) |
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| 02:53.39 | herb_ | i have created a user, but i can't login. After username and password are submitted, i'm returned to xdm window again, it doesn't say that username or password is incorrect. I guess i should add the user to some groups. How can i do that? thanx |
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| 02:56.23 | macrobat | xdm is kind of ugly. are you sure you typed username enter password enter? |
| 02:56.29 | eyeris | I am trying to update my sid machine. apt gives me the error "E: Couldn't configure pre-depend libc6-i386 for lib32mudflap0, probably a dependency cycle." |
| 02:57.08 | macrobat | you can set passwd for a user with "passwd user" as root |
| 02:57.10 | herb_ | macrobat, yes,and i was able to login as root |
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| 02:58.12 | macrobat | gpasswd -a user group adds user to group |
| 02:58.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !btssmite eyeris |
| 02:58.20 | dpkg | beats eyeris around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if eyeris is running testing or unstable |
| 02:58.28 | herb_ | macrobat, thanx! |
| 02:58.46 | macrobat | does your user have a home directory? |
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| 03:06.04 | careta | anyone here using squeeze has problems with gnome-settings-manager? |
| 03:07.31 | macrobat | !ask |
| 03:07.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:08.22 | macrobat | judd: versions gnome-settings-manager |
| 03:08.22 | judd | macrobat: gnome-settings-manager -- |
| 03:08.31 | macrobat | oh |
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| 03:09.58 | careta | i'm having this dialog window when i login from gnome-settings-manager, saying that it could not be started and I may have problems, but everything is OK, the message is just annoying |
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| 03:13.24 | macrobat | careta: maybe this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481030 |
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| 03:15.30 | careta | macrobat, but sessions starts anyway, without problems |
| 03:15.39 | careta | its just the message that is annoying |
| 03:16.11 | macrobat | found this, but it doesnt say anything http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539359 |
| 03:16.44 | macrobat | is gnome-settings-daemon running? |
| 03:17.12 | macrobat | can it be stopped, started, restarted? |
| 03:17.17 | careta | it is running |
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| 03:17.38 | careta | that was what i reported |
| 03:18.16 | careta | well i just have to wait then |
| 03:18.23 | careta | it seems that someone also has this |
| 03:20.01 | Snadder | Is there any way of beeing able to seek in mms video streams with totem? |
| 03:20.46 | Snadder | It works to seek in mms video strams on windows |
| 03:20.50 | abrotman | Snadder: I don't believe so .. you could also try mplayer perhaps |
| 03:21.15 | Snadder | abrotman, i've tried mplayer.. still same thing.. it outputs "cant seek in stream" or something |
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| 03:21.40 | abrotman | Snadder: i think in order to be able to seek, you'd have to have cached enough .. |
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| 03:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Snadder, -cache 800000? |
| 03:22.22 | Snadder | abrotman, on windows.. they cache mms streams |
| 03:22.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | possibly -cache 80000 -cache-min 0.1 |
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| 03:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think some streams it simply can't cache for some reason or other |
| 03:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 03:23.25 | shivraj | #linux has about the same number of people as #debian |
| 03:23.50 | abrotman | maybe they're all debian users ? |
| 03:24.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Snadder, you can always mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile mms://whatever and run a 2nd mplayer on the file at the same time (or use mimms to dump the stream) |
| 03:24.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Snadder, oh, and those comments/options were for mplayer, I never used totem |
| 03:25.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, ha, seems I talked him to death/unconciousness :) |
| 03:25.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 03:25.22 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 03:26.24 | Evet | server:/var/www/syscp# a2dismod userdir |
| 03:26.24 | Evet | Module userdir already disabled |
| 03:26.27 | Evet | why doesnt work? |
| 03:26.38 | abrotman | because it's already disabled ? |
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| 03:27.15 | Snadder | CutMeOwnThroat, Those mplayer options dosnt work |
| 03:27.58 | Evet | abrotman, how to enable? |
| 03:28.16 | abrotman | Evet: a2enmod ? |
| 03:28.46 | Evet | abrotman, no, a2dismod |
| 03:29.21 | abrotman | you want to enable .. a2enmod .. a2dismod will disable the module .. and it's telling you it's already disabled |
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| 03:29.55 | Evet | right |
| 03:29.58 | Evet | thanks abrotman :) |
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| 03:30.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | they do! |
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| 03:32.34 | manu_hack | is there any package in debian to connect to outlook web access, maybe mutt? |
| 03:32.49 | abrotman | iceweasel ? |
| 03:33.03 | Evet | manu_hack, thunderbird |
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| 03:33.16 | abrotman | TB does OWA ? |
| 03:33.18 | manu_hack | thunderbird can? then maybe mutt too, right? |
| 03:33.26 | abrotman | manu_hack: OWA is a website .. |
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| 03:34.17 | manu_hack | abrotman: yes, so now i'm using iceweasel, but is it possible to use email client to connect to them somehow? sry for the bad first question |
| 03:34.47 | Evet | manu_hack, it can. google it |
| 03:35.10 | abrotman | manu_hack: if your exchange server supports IMAP, sure .. maybe evolution can do MAPI |
| 03:35.35 | manu_hack | so just need to know the address and such right? |
| 03:36.52 | abrotman | manu_hack: and if you can do that .. you might want to talk to your admin |
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| 03:38.09 | manu_hack | abrotman: I guess those windows user might fxxx me off |
| 03:38.23 | manu_hack | worth the try tho |
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| 03:38.38 | cantido | yes, the windows users are all against us! |
| 03:39.03 | abrotman | manu_hack: in the standard setup, the exchange server won't support pop3/imap .. i'd really talk to your admin .. using pop3 is probably not something you want to do |
| 03:39.23 | abrotman | manu_hack: also check evolution .. it says it canconnect to exchnage systems .. |
| 03:39.26 | manu_hack | abrotman: right, POP3 will be PITA |
| 03:39.34 | abrotman | manu_hack: but if IMAP is supported, you can pretty much use whatever ytou want |
| 03:40.38 | manu_hack | thx abrotman |
| 03:40.55 | abrotman | manu_hack: yeah .. look at evolution .. it just asked me the OWA web address |
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| 03:42.25 | manu_hack | abrotman: really? will do |
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| 03:42.37 | manu_hack | need to apt-get it tho |
| 03:42.48 | manu_hack | usually use mutt myself |
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| 03:46.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> Snadder, you can always mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile mms://whatever ---> that's actuall -dumpfile somefile mms:// |
| 03:46.58 | Snadder | CutMeOwnThroat, dosnt work eather |
| 03:47.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !doesn't work |
| 03:47.13 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 03:47.21 | flourish | can error_reporting in php.ini has multi values |
| 03:47.36 | Snadder | CutMeOwnThroat, it comes up "Usage: mplayer [options] [url|path/]filename" |
| 03:47.41 | abrotman | flourish: you'd probably do better to ask ##php |
| 03:47.48 | flourish | abrotman: :-) |
| 03:47.56 | Yud_Zroc | 4 gig ram should i go 32 bit or 64 bit |
| 03:48.10 | abrotman | flourish: i believe it's a total amount .. so you can use 32+64 to get two error levels |
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| 03:48.29 | abrotman | Yud_Zroc: doesn't matter |
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| 03:48.47 | Yud_Zroc | abrotman: would i get more software support with 32 bit |
| 03:48.52 | Jorophose | what's a good FTPd? there's like, ten of them on the packages.debian.org site, and I'm not sure what's best. trying to help a friend set up a server. |
| 03:48.58 | abrotman | if you use binary only software .. yeah .. |
| 03:49.04 | abrotman | Jorophose: vsftpd |
| 03:49.18 | flourish | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:49.31 | Yud_Zroc | well i need it for flash player and whatnot |
| 03:49.44 | abrotman | there is 64bit flash |
| 03:49.52 | abrotman | if you're undecided .. go 32bit |
| 03:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Snadder, well, what's the exact line you're feeding it |
| 03:50.58 | Snadder | CutMeOwnThroat, mplayer -dumpfile mms://mms-icanal-od.online.no/norsk-ripub/autodistribusjon/NRK2_200907222309_PRTY-110087-09_170_1000.wmv |
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| 03:51.19 | Snadder | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry.. my wrong |
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| 03:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... that's not what I said to do |
| 03:56.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Snadder, mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile NRK2_200907222309_PRTY-110087-09_170_1000.wmv mms://mms-icanal-od.online.no/norsk-ripub/autodistribusjon/NRK2_200907222309_PRTY-110087-09_170_1000.wmv then play it in another file? |
| 03:57.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | or download with simply mimms mms://mms-icanal-od.online.no/norsk-ripub/autodistribusjon/NRK2_200907222309_PRTY-110087-09_170_1000.wmv |
| 03:57.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | then play the wmv with mplayer |
| 03:57.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | *in another file --> with another mplayer |
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| 03:58.19 | Open | I'd like to play a video frame by frame (I'll be rewinding the video lots of time as well) - can anyone suggest anything that would suit this task? any app names? |
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| 03:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mplayer goes one frame forward when you type '.' |
| 03:59.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's... wossname |
| 03:59.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, actually there's some new packages I've not seen |
| 03:59.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | quite a lot of them |
| 03:59.53 | Open | CutMeOwnThroat, awesome, that would do it for me, I think. I'll try it out right now |
| 04:00.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | try apt-cache search video editor |
| 04:00.10 | Open | how about rewind? ','? |
| 04:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Open, it loses track of sound that way, though |
| 04:00.17 | Open | rewind by one frame, I mean |
| 04:00.25 | Open | Awwww.. that's a deal-breaker :\ |
| 04:00.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | cursor-to-the-left skips about 10 seconds backwards |
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| 04:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but doesn't work so well because it also has to hit a... wossname... b-frame? |
| 04:02.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Open, I'm not sure if that can be helped... |
| 04:02.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Open, avidemux might be more suitable |
| 04:03.10 | Open | oh..hah.. I was thinking that by wossname you meant "what's it's name.." but anyway, I'll try that out as well |
| 04:03.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Open, yeah, try avidemux |
| 04:03.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Open, it DID mean what's the name |
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| 04:04.16 | Open | I meant that I thought YOU used it as that.. as in "that program.. what's it's name, oh yeah, b-frame", but this is irrelevant, so anyway! |
| 04:04.16 | zamuro | is there a way to use network manager instead of ifupdown? |
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| 04:05.39 | cantido | zamuro: yeah, you just install network manager |
| 04:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Open, that's what I meant :) I think they're called b-frames - only few frames are fulle encoded, the next couple of ones are encoded as differences to those |
| 04:05.52 | boonyo | i've got a lan setup with a firewall/gateway and two machines in the lan. how would i set it up so that if a lan comp wants to ping say google.com the name query is handled via the gateway/firewall, so that the lan machine doesn't have to talk to the isp dns servers directly? |
| 04:06.25 | cantido | boonyo: dnsmasq |
| 04:06.30 | Snadder | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks.. works now |
| 04:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Open, so a simple player like mplayer can't just skip back an arbitrary amount of frames, but has to go back to a frame which gets all the information |
| 04:06.56 | Open | CutMeOwnThroat, avidemux doesn't seem available by apt-get :\ |
| 04:07.34 | zamuro | cantido: OK... And how can I replace ifupdown for Network-manager? |
| 04:07.39 | Open | I'll try b-frame though. brb. |
| 04:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Open -about dmm |
| 04:08.00 | zamuro | is there a update-alternatives thing for that? |
| 04:08.38 | cantido | zamuro: network manager controls all the interfaces it can find default default now |
| 04:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Open, b-frame's not a program... it's just what I think the frames in a video that contain the whole picture are called |
| 04:08.47 | cantido | zamuro: you don't need to do anything with ifupdown |
| 04:08.47 | ajavid | debian jython is broken in lenny |
| 04:08.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Open, and avidemux is in dmm (see message from dpkg) |
| 04:09.00 | ajavid | I am amd64 and I install jython, run jythin, it errors about architecture |
| 04:09.19 | zamuro | cantido: Well... seems like ifupdown still manages the connections |
| 04:09.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | three characters |
| 04:09.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | b..t..s |
| 04:09.51 | Open | CutMeOwnThroat, ah, okay, thanks - I'll try getting avidemux then. as for the dmm link - that's really just a matter of putting something into sources.list and it'll be available by apt-get, right? or do I need to read up into it more? |
| 04:09.51 | ajavid | Jython 2.2.1 on java1.6.0_12 |
| 04:09.51 | ajavid | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /usr/lib/jni/libJavaEditline.so: /usr/lib/jni/libJavaEditline.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 (Possible cause: architecture word width mismatch) |
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| 04:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions avidemux |
| 04:10.00 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: avidemux -- etch-multimedia: 1:2.3.0-0.0 lenny-multimedia: 1:2.4.3-0.1 sid-multimedia: 1:2.4.4-0.4 squeeze-multimedia: 1:2.4.4-0.4 |
| 04:10.04 | cantido | zamuro: take a look at the stuff in /usr/share/doc for network manager, it explains how it works |
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| 04:10.36 | boonyo | cantido, have you used dnsmasq? |
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| 04:10.58 | cantido | boonyo: yes |
| 04:11.36 | boonyo | so for the nameserver on a lan comp, i would just point it to the gateway and from there the gateway will forward it on the isp dns servers? |
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| 04:13.06 | \amethyst | ajavid: and both jython and libreadline-java are from the respective 64-bit packages? |
| 04:13.21 | ajavid | \amethyst, yes |
| 04:13.29 | ajavid | lenny amd64, 64bit packages |
| 04:13.32 | \amethyst | ajavid: wait, which java? |
| 04:13.40 | ajavid | 1.6.12 |
| 04:13.49 | ajavid | sun java |
| 04:13.53 | \amethyst | ajavid: sun-java6-jre package? |
| 04:13.57 | ajavid | yessir |
| 04:14.15 | \amethyst | ajavid: that error sounds like a 32-bit java trying to load a 64-bit library |
| 04:14.27 | ajavid | i now but don't have ia32 java installed even |
| 04:14.31 | cantido | boonyo: dnsmasq will use the dns servers that machine had configured.. so probably your isp server |
| 04:14.53 | \amethyst | ajavid: what does file /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java say about the java binary? |
| 04:15.19 | ajavid | weird |
| 04:15.21 | ajavid | it is 32bit |
| 04:15.33 | ajavid | I don't ever remember installing 32bit java on my machine |
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| 04:16.08 | boonyo | cantido, that bit i understand. so i put dnsmasq on the gateway and the /etc/resolv.conf file contains the nameservers for my isp. so if i want a comp behind the gateway to talk to say google.com, i would configure the nameserver on the lan comp to point to the gateway, instead of the isp nameservers directly, that correct? |
| 04:16.21 | \amethyst | ajavid: lenny, so version 6-12-1 of the package? |
| 04:16.25 | ajavid | its good now |
| 04:16.42 | \amethyst | ajavid: ah, just pointing to a different jvm fixed it? |
| 04:16.44 | cantido | boonyo: yes, dnsmasq also has a built in dns server that'll configure your clients correctly if you want it to |
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| 04:16.46 | ajavid | i just changed update-java-alternative -s java-6-sun |
| 04:16.53 | ajavid | \amethyst, yes, thank you |
| 04:17.00 | boonyo | cantido, sweet that's what i'm looking for. thanks for that |
| 04:17.20 | ajavid | I wonder how ia32 java got installed |
| 04:17.41 | ajavid | i ia32-sun-java6-bin |
| 04:18.00 | \amethyst | ajavid: ia32-apt-get being silly? |
| 04:18.10 | ajavid | oh no, I'm on lenny |
| 04:18.16 | ajavid | I don't have that problem, yet :) |
| 04:18.26 | boonyo | is there a command line tool that I can use to configure the system (like sysinstall on freebsd)? |
| 04:18.35 | ajavid | boonyo, dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 04:18.47 | ajavid | boonyo, but thats for packages, what do you mean reconfigure the system |
| 04:19.17 | ajavid | I do not know sysinstall |
| 04:19.20 | \amethyst | ajavid: does aptitude why ia32-sun-java6-bin give any clues? |
| 04:19.25 | boonyo | ajavid, well say I want to configure a network interface, then reconfigure the servers that apt wil use, like what I do through the installer |
| 04:19.45 | ajavid | \amethyst, nope |
| 04:19.49 | ajavid | \amethyst, nothing useful |
| 04:19.54 | boonyo | instead of having to edit things manually though config files |
| 04:20.07 | ajavid | boonyo, hm, network-manager? |
| 04:20.18 | ajavid | boonyo, and have to edit sources.list |
| 04:20.26 | ajavid | boonyo, you can use apt-setup I think |
| 04:20.28 | ajavid | !apt-setup |
| 04:20.28 | dpkg | apt-setup was a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. No longer available since <base-config> was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> can be used instead. To install Debian packages located on CD, ask me about <apt-cdrom>. |
| 04:20.36 | ajavid | oh... damn, those were srage days |
| 04:20.49 | ajavid | oh yeah, base-config used to the the one thing that was also removed |
| 04:20.57 | ajavid | that was kinda like a system reconfigurator iirc |
| 04:21.03 | \amethyst | ajavid: hm... sun-java6-jre depends on sun-java6-bin | ia32-sun-java6-bin, but that means it should have pulled in the former automatically |
| 04:21.19 | ajavid | \amethyst, I think my pc is possessed |
| 04:21.19 | \amethyst | ajavid: and nothing else in the archive appears to depend on the ia32- one |
| 04:21.28 | ajavid | \amethyst, packages end up here that I never thought I installed |
| 04:22.13 | ajavid | anyway, it doesn't matter, thanks for the assistance |
| 04:22.18 | ajavid | \amethyst, ^ |
| 04:22.25 | \amethyst | np |
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| 04:22.46 | ajavid | I was getting sick of java, figure I would try jython instead |
| 04:22.51 | ajavid | its pythonized java ;) |
| 04:23.12 | \amethyst | it's python implemented in and targeted for the JVM |
| 04:23.18 | ajavid | yup |
| 04:23.24 | stew | (very outdated python) |
| 04:23.37 | ajavid | a few years |
| 04:23.40 | ajavid | 2005 |
| 04:23.41 | ajavid | ? |
| 04:23.50 | ajavid | something like that anyway |
| 04:24.02 | \amethyst | current jython implements python 2.5 |
| 04:24.08 | stew | oh? |
| 04:24.13 | ajavid | its standard |
| 04:24.14 | \amethyst | cpython is up to 2.6 or 3 |
| 04:24.15 | stew | i thought they were still stuck at 2.1 |
| 04:24.19 | ajavid | in stable yes |
| 04:24.24 | ajavid | lenny has 2.1 |
| 04:24.27 | \amethyst | stew: http://fwierzbicki.blogspot.com/2009/06/jython-250-final-is-out.html |
| 04:24.33 | stew | The final version Python 2.1 was released on April 17, 2001. |
| 04:24.34 | ajavid | 2.2.1 |
| 04:25.08 | \amethyst | stew: oh, sorry, I meant latest upstream, not the version in sid |
| 04:25.21 | ajavid | Jython 2.2.1 on java1.6.0_12 in lenny |
| 04:25.34 | ajavid | \amethyst, I'm talking way behind sid :) |
| 04:25.36 | ajavid | hehe |
| 04:25.50 | ajavid | judd versions jython |
| 04:25.51 | judd | ajavid: jython -- etch: 2.1.0-23 lenny: 2.2.1-2 sid: 2.2.1-2 squeeze: 2.2.1-2 |
| 04:25.51 | \amethyst | ajavid: actually, you're not |
| 04:25.58 | ajavid | hm |
| 04:26.02 | \amethyst | :) |
| 04:26.07 | ajavid | i'll be damned |
| 04:26.16 | ajavid | netbeans 6.7 comes with a jython interperter |
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| 04:26.23 | ajavid | 2.5.x |
| 04:26.32 | ajavid | something |
| 04:26.41 | ajavid | latest one anyway |
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| 04:26.54 | \amethyst | #497352 is the 'new upstream' wishlist bug |
| 04:27.05 | ajavid | I could stick with the one bundled with netbeans |
| 04:27.48 | Mathiux | spanish debian? |
| 04:27.54 | ajavid | !es |
| 04:27.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:28.04 | Mathiux | thanks |
| 04:28.10 | ajavid | np |
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| 04:28.40 | ajavid | hm, there is JRuby too, neat |
| 04:28.48 | ajavid | so java is kinda like .NET now lol oh boy. |
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| 04:29.00 | ajavid | (in the opposite sense) |
| 04:30.03 | \amethyst | ajavid: lots of languages target the JVM, and have for some time |
| 04:30.35 | ajavid | I recently got into java development and having to do an app |
| 04:30.42 | ajavid | so now I'm discovering java goodies |
| 04:30.45 | cantido | there's groovy too |
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| 04:30.54 | cantido | which is actaully pretty good |
| 04:30.55 | \amethyst | ajavid: e.g. kawa, a scheme interpreter targeting the JVM, has been around for over a decade |
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| 04:31.02 | \amethyst | clojure targets the JVM |
| 04:31.07 | ajavid | I dont' quite like statically typed languages much, never have, which is why jython seems good for me as I already know python |
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| 04:31.44 | \amethyst | scheme and clojure are also dynamically typed; but python is nice and has a larger community |
| 04:32.00 | ajavid | isn't clojure haskell based |
| 04:32.07 | ajavid | something like that anyway, iirc |
| 04:32.14 | \amethyst | clojure is Lisp, more or less |
| 04:32.24 | \amethyst | a Lisp, not Common Lisp |
| 04:32.31 | ajavid | ahh |
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| 04:33.37 | \amethyst | ajavid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_JVM_languages lists a bunch more |
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| 04:33.42 | ajavid | nice |
| 04:34.04 | ajavid | HAHAHAHA php |
| 04:34.07 | \amethyst | apparently there is a jaskell |
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| 04:35.23 | TrentH | Hello |
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| 04:37.12 | TrentH | I'm having issues with my Creative X-FI SoundBlaster. I get it to install and work, but when I go to reboot the system it hangs during the "default linux printer thing" and then i've got to reformat my system. |
| 04:37.45 | jigpe | hello |
| 04:37.52 | TrentH | Hi |
| 04:37.53 | jigpe | kmonk you around |
| 04:38.11 | TrentH | Kmonk isn't here, or he would of helped me. :( |
| 04:38.27 | TrentH | Jigpe, can you share your enrichment? |
| 04:39.19 | jigpe | TrntH first time install debian lenny 5.01 here in drive D: |
| 04:39.39 | jigpe | how to use this partition? |
| 04:39.51 | TrentH | Oh. |
| 04:40.03 | TrentH | Well you've got it installed, so it's working. |
| 04:40.04 | TrentH | Lol. |
| 04:40.50 | jigpe | which one to choose? there is Ext3,Ext2,ReiserFS,JFS,XFS,FAT16,FAT32,Swap,#phisical volume for encryp,Phisical vol for raid, phisical vol for LVM,do not use partition |
| 04:41.06 | TrentH | Oh, your going to want to "setup the partition automatically" |
| 04:41.09 | jigpe | swap area right? |
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| 04:41.31 | jigpe | TrentH : C: is winblows |
| 04:41.43 | TrentH | Your going to want an Ext3 partiton thats where your main files goes, than a itty bittion partition |
| 04:41.43 | jigpe | i did that setup the partition auto |
| 04:41.57 | jigpe | ok ill choose |
| 04:42.00 | TrentH | With it setup auto, it'll give you an Ext3 and Swap partiton |
| 04:42.15 | TrentH | the swap is very small, like 2-3GB and Ext3 has the rest of the partition |
| 04:42.28 | TrentH | Ext3 is Primary and Swap is Secondary. |
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| 04:43.55 | TrentH | Hope that helps. |
| 04:44.02 | jigpe | ok |
| 04:44.12 | jigpe | i choose Use as: Ext3 journaling file system |
| 04:44.25 | jigpe | how about the Mount point:? |
| 04:44.44 | naiv` | hey how to list the sessions of a cdrom ? |
| 04:45.01 | TrentH | Mount Point..... |
| 04:45.12 | TrentH | You'll want it as / |
| 04:45.17 | TrentH | "root" basically |
| 04:45.42 | jigpe | TrentH : but im right with Use as: Ext3 journaling file system ? |
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| 04:46.07 | TrentH | I'm pretty sure yeah. |
| 04:46.14 | TrentH | I know i've got Ext3. |
| 04:46.19 | boonyo | is it a good idea to have a "volatile" source in the sources.list file if im running debian as a firewall? |
| 04:46.50 | jigpe | TrentH : noted to notepad now. partitioning formatting also starts :) |
| 04:46.57 | TrentH | Good luck. |
| 04:47.04 | jigpe | TrentH dont sleep yet ok |
| 04:47.04 | TrentH | I hope that all works, i'm like 80% sure. |
| 04:47.10 | TrentH | Lol, I won't. |
| 04:47.13 | jigpe | haha 80? |
| 04:47.19 | TrentH | I'm a new user. |
| 04:47.35 | TrentH | I know it's mounted in root, using ext3 and has a swap partion as well. |
| 04:48.03 | TrentH | I've reformatted 6times today. |
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| 04:48.23 | boonyo | TrentH, wow |
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| 04:49.02 | jigpe | TrentH : i never put swap there :( |
| 04:49.13 | jigpe | should i cancel the "installing the bas system" ? |
| 04:49.15 | TrentH | It's fine, you don't "need" a swap partiton. |
| 04:49.23 | jigpe | okies whew :) |
| 04:49.37 | TrentH | You know on XP, when it writes data to the harddrive, and reads it from there using that as RAM? |
| 04:49.52 | TrentH | That's what it's doing with the Swap Drive, as long as you don't run out of ram you'll be ok. |
| 04:50.18 | TrentH | But jigpe your a first time user, so this is all learning process. |
| 04:50.28 | TrentH | Everytime you retry, your going to be wiser. |
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| 04:50.51 | jigpe | ok root password now |
| 04:51.01 | TrentH | That's the password for your "admin" account. |
| 04:51.29 | TrentH | jigpe how much ram does that PC have? |
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| 04:52.12 | jigpe | TrentH 1gb only |
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| 04:52.36 | jigpe | after this ill update the kernel right? |
| 04:53.01 | TrentH | :-?? |
| 04:53.08 | TrentH | After you install everything it'll be ok. |
| 04:53.14 | TrentH | You just run apt-get update |
| 04:53.22 | jigpe | oh ok |
| 04:53.25 | TrentH | Then apt-get upgrade |
| 04:53.35 | TrentH | And it'll be like running Windows Updates ^^ |
| 04:53.38 | TrentH | Only easier. |
| 04:53.41 | jigpe | ill choose united states for configuring the package manager? |
| 04:53.50 | jigpe | but im not american |
| 04:53.56 | jigpe | can i choose philippines? |
| 04:54.24 | jigpe | or taiwan |
| 04:54.27 | jigpe | or japan |
| 04:54.33 | jigpe | nm i choose america |
| 04:54.36 | cantido | yes you can |
| 04:54.47 | jigpe | so that ill be safe |
| 04:55.18 | TrentH | Yes. |
| 04:55.25 | jigpe | 46% now |
| 04:55.35 | jigpe | configuring apt |
| 04:55.44 | ananthgs | Hi All. Can we configure our package manager to download all the softwares from a particular country's repository........? |
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| 04:55.51 | TrentH | Jigpe, you using DVD's or CD's? |
| 04:56.06 | TrentH | BRB |
| 04:56.28 | jigpe | TrentH : cd only |
| 04:56.28 | ananthgs | say for example my ISP is from UK, cant i have the synaptic to download all the packages from the london sites.......? |
| 04:57.08 | ananthgs | is it possible? any help would be appreciated. |
| 04:57.26 | beardy | !mirrors |
| 04:57.26 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 04:57.37 | beardy | ananthgs: ^^^ |
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| 04:59.53 | TrentH | Im eating dinner out of a box.... |
| 05:00.25 | jeffwheeler | I'm trying to determine the best way to use my GNOME system with an alarm clock, but I can't seem to find a solution that doesn't require me to be logged in when the alarm activates. |
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| 05:00.44 | jeffwheeler | I'd think the solution would have to log me in automatically at the alarm time, but I'm not sure this is the best solution. |
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| 05:01.06 | TrentH | Jeff sorry to say but nobody really is online. |
| 05:01.20 | jeffwheeler | TrentH: there are worse problems; gives me a good excuse to go to sleep |
| 05:01.33 | TrentH | Lol |
| 05:01.47 | TrentH | The problem: I'm eating a dinner out of the microwave for breakfest |
| 05:02.06 | boonyo | so you don |
| 05:02.12 | jigpe | trent |
| 05:02.16 | TrentH | Yes? |
| 05:02.21 | boonyo | so you don't eat dinner from a plate/bowl like a normal person? |
| 05:02.36 | ianj | i read that as "something that was microwaved" |
| 05:02.42 | jeffwheeler | Apps like this look great, http://alarm-clock.pseudoberries.com/, but I'd hate leaving my computer logged in all night. |
| 05:02.56 | TrentH | jeff, turn your computer monitor off |
| 05:02.58 | jigpe | TrentH : can i install all packages? web server,printe server , dns server file server mail server sql database |
| 05:02.59 | ianj | i leave my main computers on 24/7 |
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| 05:03.00 | TrentH | BRB: Dog calls |
| 05:03.03 | ianj | three of them |
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| 05:03.11 | ianj | been doing it for years |
| 05:03.21 | boonyo | and thats why our world is turning to shit |
| 05:03.27 | jeffwheeler | I don't mind leaving one of my machines on --- I already do --- but I like to log out. |
| 05:03.28 | ianj | hmm? |
| 05:03.35 | ianj | why's that? |
| 05:03.39 | jigpe | TrentH where are you from?dinner?canada? |
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| 05:04.17 | boonyo | if you're computers are doing something useful, then I don't disagree. however if they're just sitting there, not even downloading things, then i do disagree |
| 05:04.23 | TrentH | USA |
| 05:04.24 | beardy | jeffwheeler: at(1). |
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| 05:04.52 | TrentH | Jigpe: I suppose you can install all of them but if your just using it as a desktop just the first and last option is needed |
| 05:05.06 | ianj | well, the three that i leave on do things that run constantly |
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| 05:05.14 | jeffwheeler | beardy: that's one solution, although it lacks the nice UI support (and "stopping" the alarm is less obvious when I'm still asleep) |
| 05:05.27 | ianj | mac running AIM and IRC, debian PC doing torrents and occasionally other things, and SGI webserver |
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| 05:05.55 | ianj | i prefer not to cut any of that off |
| 05:06.16 | TrentH | I would like some peach cobbler who would like to make some? |
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| 05:06.40 | ianj | but jeffwheeler, why do you consider it important to log out? i'm curious |
| 05:06.52 | beardy | jeffwheeler: I'd rather have a script that will shut up and let me fall asleep again by hitting any key, therefor rendering an alarm clock useless, than to have a GUI and faff around with a mouse in my sleep, but oh well. |
| 05:07.00 | TrentH | ianj: he leaves porn open on his computer. duhh |
| 05:07.10 | jigpe | TrentH : ill install all ill explore them later :) |
| 05:07.26 | jigpe | TrentH: gonna run html at this |
| 05:07.29 | TrentH | jigpe: That's a good solution, like I said your just testing it out. |
| 05:07.35 | jeffwheeler | ianj: it feels yucky to leave a session open permanently, personally. I know, crappy reasoning. |
| 05:07.41 | hawkbill | can someone please tell me pointers to how to use systembar applications like kpowersave, rsibreak, kmix, etc with stumpwm? |
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| 05:08.33 | ianj | haha |
| 05:08.47 | ianj | i don't really understand that, but i'd be interesting in hearing why you think so |
| 05:08.56 | ianj | unless it's just a gut feeling kind of thing |
| 05:09.19 | TrentH | ianj: He feels unfinshed perhaps? |
| 05:09.42 | jeffwheeler | ianj: pretty much gut. I guess I don't trust all my applications to be cleaning themselves up completely, and it cleans up my session. |
| 05:10.29 | ianj | ah |
| 05:10.35 | ianj | i restart my machines once in a blue moon |
| 05:10.50 | ianj | because sometimes just running all the time for weeks gets them bogged down in weird ways |
| 05:10.58 | ianj | but i don't like to interrupt certain things |
| 05:11.22 | ianj | i leave AIM and IRC open 24/7 so i can collect messages while i'm away, and so i can jump on and see what the ongoing conversation is |
| 05:11.37 | ianj | torrents running 24/7 benefits me, and webservers... are webservers |
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| 05:11.45 | ianj | beyond that, i generally turn everything off |
| 05:11.56 | ianj | the auxillary machines that i don't do continuous things on |
| 05:12.03 | TrentH | Whats the command to view kernal version? |
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| 05:12.17 | jeffwheeler | TrentH: uname |
| 05:12.24 | cahoot | uname -r for kernel |
| 05:12.44 | TrentH | nvm! |
| 05:13.00 | TrentH | I've got a question... |
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| 05:13.37 | TrentH | I installed my X-FI soundcard and it worked I followed the wiki.debian.org/X-FI tutorial. But when I restart my PC it gets hung on the load screen. During the "linux printer thing". |
| 05:13.41 | TrentH | Solution: |
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| 05:15.09 | TrentH | Nobody has a solution... |
| 05:15.10 | TrentH | lol. |
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| 05:15.20 | ianj | as for what started this conversation... i prefer an actual traditional wind-up alarm clock to cell phones or computer apps for that purpose |
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| 05:17.03 | Kobaz | anyone familiar with noflushd... Starting No Flush Daemon: Error: Don't know how to spindown /dev/sda |
| 05:17.27 | Kobaz | or something similar... I want to configure drive spindown |
| 05:17.31 | ianj | TrentH, i have no idea... |
| 05:17.39 | ianj | i just use the motherboard sound on my PC |
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| 05:18.54 | TrentH | lol. |
| 05:19.04 | TrentH | I'm thinking this 150$ POS is gonna go in the trash. |
| 05:19.07 | taiyedbrodel | an error msg pops up everytime gnome starts, it's says that it has been an error when starting the GNOME preferences administrator daemon |
| 05:19.43 | taiyedbrodel | this is it, http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2770/pantallazoe.png is in spanish tho, but it also says something in english |
| 05:19.46 | taiyedbrodel | any clue? |
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| 05:21.02 | anonymou1 | Perhaps a little off topic, but has CSV been standardized? |
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| 05:22.28 | \amethyst | anonymou1: not really. There is an RFC, but it's not universally followed |
| 05:23.02 | anonymou1 | Bah. Thanks. |
| 05:23.09 | \amethyst | anonymou1: e.g. I've seen "CSV" used for tab-separated files even :) |
| 05:23.28 | boonyo | does anyone know why i get a "line 3 failed" when i run "iptables-restore firewall" ? http://pastebin.com/m42bf6d4d |
| 05:23.30 | \amethyst | anonymou1: the RFC (for the text/csv MIME type) is http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4180 |
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| 05:24.20 | \amethyst | anonymou1: common variations are: the delimiter, the quote character, and how you embed the quote character inside a quoted string |
| 05:24.58 | \amethyst | anonymou1: usually it's , " and "" but sometimes you see , " \" or worse |
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| 05:25.50 | TrentH | I installed my X-FI soundcard and it worked I followed the wiki.debian.org/X-FI tutorial. But when I restart my PC it gets hung on the load screen. During the "linux printer thing". |
| 05:25.58 | TrentH | \amethyst: Fix that. |
| 05:26.19 | \amethyst | TrentH: fix what? |
| 05:26.20 | anonymou1 | \amethyst: Yeah. Just trying to workout crappy (and broken) import functionality that someone wrote for the app I'm working on. I suppose I could have the user setup their delimiter, escaper, etc in the UI, but that's fuggly. |
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| 05:26.47 | TrentH | \amethyst: I installed my X-FI soundcard and it worked I followed the wiki.debian.org/X-FI tutorial. But when I restart my PC it gets hung on the load screen. During the "linux printer thing". |
| 05:27.07 | TrentH | Then I can't get it unstuck by rebooting, so I have to reformat. |
| 05:27.30 | anonymou1 | Right now it doesn't handle anything but the most basic documents |
| 05:27.43 | \amethyst | TrentH: you could boot into single-user mode (add single to the end of the kernel command line (e in grub)) |
| 05:27.47 | anonymou1 | Toying the with idea of just switching to XML |
| 05:28.15 | TrentH | amethyst, do you have any idea why it'd do that |
| 05:28.17 | \amethyst | TrentH: then disable whatever service it is that is failing (rename the link in /etc/rc2.d/ from S??blah to D??blah |
| 05:29.03 | \amethyst | TrentH: no, I see no reason that updating a sound driver should affect anything printing-related, unless it's ancient ISA hardware with an I/O address or IRQ conflict |
| 05:29.13 | TrentH | It's not... |
| 05:29.28 | TrentH | http://wiki.debian.org/X-Fi |
| 05:29.35 | TrentH | I'm following that tutorial. |
| 05:29.40 | TrentH | See anything that might make it go haywire? |
| 05:29.45 | \amethyst | TrentH: as far as figuring out which service it is that's failing, pay attention to the things that come before it and look in the rc2.d directory. the S?? scripts are run in numeric order |
| 05:30.48 | \amethyst | TrentH: what is it that freezes up exactly? you said "linux printer thing", but I don't think there's any init script that says "linux printer thing" |
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| 05:30.55 | TrentH | cupds |
| 05:31.00 | TrentH | cupsd is the service. |
| 05:31.02 | \amethyst | TrentH: ah |
| 05:31.10 | TrentH | It is a printer thign. |
| 05:31.19 | \amethyst | TrentH: it might be the next script after CUPS that's failing |
| 05:31.29 | TrentH | exm4 |
| 05:31.31 | TrentH | ? |
| 05:31.46 | \amethyst | TrentH: is that the next one after cups in numeric order in rc2.d ? |
| 05:32.11 | TrentH | I'd have to check after my PC fails. |
| 05:32.12 | TrentH | lol. |
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| 05:32.29 | TrentH | I'll brb \amethyst, don't go anywhere. |
| 05:32.29 | \amethyst | TrentH: single-user mode, or a rescue disk |
| 05:32.33 | TrentH | I've got to get my other computer in here. |
| 05:32.34 | TrentH | brb |
| 05:33.06 | \amethyst | TrentH: ok, if I don't respond I'm having a smoke |
| 05:34.10 | \amethyst | TrentH: but, no, nothing there should affect cups, which is why I suspect it's the next script after cups that is failing |
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| 05:36.20 | jigpe | TrentH : 1h 10mins whooaaa 18%.downloading all packages |
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| 05:41.54 | TrentH | Sounds good |
| 05:42.05 | TrentH | I hooked up another PC in here just in case this one wants to break ^^ |
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| 05:44.50 | Kobaz | are there any ways currently to get per-process io information without needing a kernel patch |
| 05:45.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | iotop? |
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| 05:46.03 | Kobaz | oh |
| 05:46.06 | Kobaz | awesome |
| 05:46.16 | Kobaz | back in the day you needed some patches |
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| 05:46.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | welcome to the 21st century |
| 05:46.54 | Kobaz | hehe |
| 05:46.59 | TrentH | amethyst |
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| 05:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, back in the days there was no iotop |
| 05:47.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not in etch |
| 05:48.24 | TrentH | \amethyst |
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| 05:48.39 | paulfm | hi everyone |
| 05:48.44 | Kobaz | trying to get disk spindown to work, and every second there's 40kB/sec of disk io |
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| 05:48.48 | Kobaz | from something |
| 05:49.04 | Kobaz | well, more like every other second... it drops to 0, then spikes, then drops to 0.. forever |
| 05:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | weren't you at that about 10 hours ago already |
| 05:49.13 | Kobaz | nope |
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| 05:49.24 | \amethyst | TrentH: I'm here |
| 05:49.28 | Kobaz | fooorrreeeevvveeeeer |
| 05:49.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sound different than the other guy |
| 05:49.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 05:49.46 | paulfm | please can someone help me... I keep getting a hang at "Waiting for root file system..." after moving hd from external CF adapter to internal ide CF slot |
| 05:49.46 | TrentH | \amethyst ever heard of the command "modprobe" |
| 05:50.02 | paulfm | I changed menu.lst and fstab to reference hda |
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| 05:50.13 | paulfm | and I changed devices.map also |
| 05:50.22 | \amethyst | TrentH: yes, it loads a kernel module, including any necessary dependencies and using options from /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 05:50.33 | paulfm | but still getting hang... waiting for root file system |
| 05:50.55 | \amethyst | TrentH: is a modprobe causing it to hang? |
| 05:50.56 | TrentH | anything special I need to do to make that work? |
| 05:50.57 | paulfm | any ideas? |
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| 05:52.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, boot from a live cd/usb stick and look what the disk ends up to be there? |
| 05:52.17 | \amethyst | TrentH: to make modprobe work? have a module correctly compiled against the kernel you are running, using the same major.minor version of gcc as was used to compile the kernel |
| 05:52.34 | TrentH | nvm it worked |
| 05:52.40 | TrentH | I didn't have the otherthing done. |
| 05:52.45 | \amethyst | oh, and have run depmod first |
| 05:52.59 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: the external usb dev is /dev/sda1 ... but I edited all paths to reflect /dev/hda1 before I moved chip to internal ide slot |
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| 05:53.23 | TrentH | Alright the soundcard worked. |
| 05:53.26 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: is there anywhere else I need to change device reference other than fstab, menu.lst and devices.map? |
| 05:53.30 | TrentH | I've got my other PC downloading XChat right now. |
| 05:53.38 | TrentH | I'm going to restart. |
| 05:53.43 | TrentH | BRB ^^ |
| 05:53.48 | TrentH | Stay here. |
| 05:53.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, no... |
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| 05:54.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, did you change root= ...? |
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| 05:55.23 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: so my cf card with menu.lst,fstab and devices.map all pointing to /dev/hda1 - still doesnt boot then its in the internal ide slot... but even with those hda paths.. it does boot when I put it back in the external slot... even though the device is dev/sda1 |
| 05:55.32 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: in menu.lst? |
| 05:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you're writing it to the wrong boot sector or something somehow? |
| 05:56.09 | \amethyst | paulfm: hm, need to rebuild the initrd maybe? |
| 05:56.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | kind of suspicious when whatever you change doesn't have any influence on the result |
| 05:56.21 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: how do I do that?... |
| 05:56.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | # groot=(hd0,0) |
| 05:57.05 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah.. when I start with external cf.. on usb bus... and no internal hd... "df" says /dev/hda1 for / |
| 05:57.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess that line determines where grub writes to (if you use update-grub) |
| 05:58.00 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: where else would root= be located other than menu.lst?.... |
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| 05:58.30 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: so the initrd scripts ... can they be browsed on the file system? |
| 05:58.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you make your changes right now? |
| 05:59.16 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: when waiting for root file system time out I get busybox... but cant seem to find any unmounted drives... dev doesnt have any hd entries |
| 05:59.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably faster if you try different boot options by changing the grub boot line with 'e' directly on boot |
| 05:59.40 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: if I boot with chip in external usb adapter I can get it running and log in and make edits |
| 06:00.14 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: busybox says ALRT! /dev/hda1 does not exist |
| 06:00.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, if you don't see any disks... |
| 06:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you really'd need a kernel module from initrd that you lack |
| 06:00.48 | boonyo | cantido, were you able to use dnsmasq to listen on a specific interface and address? I've edited /etc/dnsmasq.conf and restarted, stopped and started, force-reloade, kill -HUP dnsmasq but it still isn't listening on only the ethernet interface |
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| 06:01.01 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: but I can boot the same kernel when its in the usb adapter? |
| 06:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | that sounds upside-down :) |
| 06:01.33 | paulfm | indeed |
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| 06:01.39 | TrentH | Hey |
| 06:01.49 | TrentH | \amethyst it locked up... |
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| 06:03.30 | TrentH | kmonk? |
| 06:03.40 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: the "waiting for root filesystem" message... what is the script triggering that message...? |
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| 06:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 06:04.04 | TrentH | There finally |
| 06:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | kernel itself? |
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| 06:04.25 | TrentH | \amethyst: Are you available? |
| 06:04.25 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: and more importantly... where is the path for root filesystem being read from?... fstab.. or menu.lst... or devices.map? |
| 06:04.27 | ltrager | hey im trying to backport alsa-lib-1.0.20 to lenny |
| 06:04.34 | ltrager | debuild fails such time because im building on an i386 box and its testing if it can generate a valid x86_64 binary |
| 06:04.41 | ltrager | which it can it just cannt run it |
| 06:04.46 | ltrager | how can i get this to work? |
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| 06:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I think this message is pre-fstab |
| 06:05.11 | \amethyst | TrentH: yes |
| 06:05.20 | TrentH | It locked up on me again. |
| 06:05.44 | TrentH | What do I do? |
| 06:05.45 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm.... I think its on the initrd... scripts dir |
| 06:05.51 | \amethyst | TrentH: did you try booting into single-user mode yet? |
| 06:05.56 | kingsley | Why would iceweasel play one animated gif, but not another on the same page? |
| 06:06.01 | TrentH | Want me just to select single-user mode? |
| 06:06.20 | \amethyst | TrentH: yes, if you have a grub menu entry for that |
| 06:06.29 | TrentH | I do. |
| 06:06.43 | TrentH | It got stuck..... it says end trace |
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| 06:07.08 | \amethyst | TrentH: it got further than that when you did a normal boot? |
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| 06:07.14 | TrentH | nvm, it resumed..... it says... |
| 06:07.24 | TrentH | do I need to press Control-D |
| 06:08.02 | TrentH | It gave me the command prompt thingy. |
| 06:08.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fixmbr |
| 06:08.13 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>. |
| 06:08.18 | \amethyst | TrentH: okay, so do ls /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 06:08.31 | TrentH | K im there |
| 06:08.34 | \amethyst | "waiting for root filesystem" sounds like a message that would come from the initrd |
| 06:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, ^^^ see if the installer CD sees your disk? |
| 06:09.00 | TrentH | What do I do now? |
| 06:09.07 | \amethyst | if it were the kernel or grub the message would be different, and I wouldn't expect any "waiting for" (it would either succeed or fail immediately) |
| 06:09.21 | \amethyst | TrentH: what comes after cups in the list? |
| 06:09.24 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: it sees the disk when in the usb adapter.. but not when in the ide slot? |
| 06:09.30 | TrentH | S20exim4 |
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| 06:09.47 | \amethyst | TrentH: hm, also nothing to do with sound |
| 06:10.01 | TrentH | It failed after I installed the driver though. |
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| 06:10.06 | TrentH | So it's conflicting with something. |
| 06:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, mmm, you mean you boot to the install CD or onto a live CD and you still can't access your disk? |
| 06:10.28 | \amethyst | unless something else changed between the last reboot and when you did that |
| 06:10.38 | TrentH | Nope. |
| 06:10.46 | TrentH | I already did that. |
| 06:10.54 | TrentH | I rebooted 3times before installing the driver. |
| 06:11.07 | \amethyst | TrentH: run open bash to open a new shell in a new terminal |
| 06:11.17 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: when I boot to install CD.... if chip is in external USB adapter it see the disk.. if the chip is in internal ide slot... it doesnt see it... but once OS in installed... if I move the chip to internal slot... it has worked... |
| 06:11.19 | TrentH | K. |
| 06:11.22 | TrentH | I typed open bash |
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| 06:11.47 | \amethyst | TrentH: did it switch to a new terminal, or are you back at the same command prompt? |
| 06:12.00 | TrentH | I can still see where it says the /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 06:12.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | WHAT has "worked" |
| 06:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't understand what you said there |
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| 06:12.33 | \amethyst | TrentH: press alt-f2 are you at a new terminal? |
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| 06:12.51 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: well I have 2 models of the same machine.. both small embedded pcs... one has internal pci slot.. the other doesnt |
| 06:12.52 | \amethyst | TrentH: with a bash prompt? |
| 06:13.02 | TrentH | That worked |
| 06:13.11 | TrentH | Clear prompt. |
| 06:13.18 | \amethyst | TrentH: okay, in the new terminal do init 2 |
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| 06:13.27 | TrentH | Done |
| 06:13.31 | \amethyst | TrentH: that will go into multi-user mode |
| 06:13.41 | \amethyst | if you alt-f1 you should see the scripts running |
| 06:13.51 | askvictor | what meta-package to I need to install in order to build packages? |
| 06:13.53 | TrentH | Wait it says starting common unix printing system: cupsd and it stopped on that. |
| 06:14.02 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: when I install debian to external USB cf - and then move the cf to internal cf slot... the system boots up fine on the NO pci box.. but when I try the same on the box with pci slot.. the boot process hangs at waiting for root file system |
| 06:14.12 | \amethyst | okay, can you still get to the prompt on either alt-f1 or alt-f2 ? |
| 06:14.26 | TrentH | Yes |
| 06:14.36 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: the debian installer doesnt see the internal df... for either machine... so thats why I install to external CF adapter first... |
| 06:14.38 | TrentH | Alt-F1 shows Hangup |
| 06:15.03 | TrentH | Alt-F2 shows "Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd" |
| 06:15.11 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: but both machines BIOS recognizes the CF...so Im not sure why the installer is having issues with it |
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| 06:15.23 | \amethyst | TrentH: ah, hm |
| 06:15.43 | TrentH | \amethyst isn't this error just a pain in the butt? |
| 06:15.46 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: trying to launch installer angd go to a console |
| 06:16.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, but even an internal cf slot would be... more like a card-reader? So it'd not be totally surprising if there's just no driver for it in the linux kernel |
| 06:16.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | while going via usb would work |
| 06:16.20 | \amethyst | TrentH: hm, and ctrl-c won't stop it |
| 06:16.21 | boonyo | has anyone here used dnsmasq? I'm having problems having it listen on a specific address, even though I run 'dnsmasq -a 192.168.0.1" |
| 06:16.30 | TrentH | ctrl-c stopped it |
| 06:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, the kernel doesn't use the kernel routines |
| 06:16.42 | \amethyst | TrentH: ah, and it went on to exim? |
| 06:16.49 | TrentH | no |
| 06:16.56 | TrentH | It just took me back to the command line. |
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| 06:17.10 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: yes... but if the same kernel on essentially the same hardware... should have access to the same drivers... and it does work on one ofr the 2 machines |
| 06:17.31 | TrentH | whats the command to start exim? |
| 06:17.37 | \amethyst | TrentH: try running sh -x /etc/rc2.d/cups start |
| 06:17.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, does the drive from the other machine with "the essentially same hardware" boot on this machine? |
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| 06:17.52 | \amethyst | TrentH: that way we can see which line of the init script is hanging |
| 06:17.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks to me like it's essentially a different hardware |
| 06:17.59 | herb_ | hi everybody! |
| 06:18.02 | TrentH | no such file or directory |
| 06:18.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | at a point where the difference matters |
| 06:18.10 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: well it gets the same error.... waiting for root file system... |
| 06:18.23 | \amethyst | TrentH: err, S20cups sorry |
| 06:18.29 | \amethyst | TrentH: whatever the script was called |
| 06:18.48 | TrentH | ok I see alot of code.... |
| 06:19.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, see... |
| 06:19.06 | \amethyst | TrentH: is it still printing stuff, or did it hang somewhere? or are you back at the prompt? |
| 06:19.10 | TrentH | the last line of code is modprobe -q lp |
| 06:19.18 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 06:19.44 | TrentH | I wonder if modprobe had something to do with this? maybe it was installed uncorrectly? |
| 06:19.44 | \amethyst | so the problem is when it tries to load the parallel port printer driver |
| 06:20.02 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: booting installer into rescue mode |
| 06:20.03 | herb_ | in terminal emulator, when i'm logged as root, tab key auto completes commands or folder names. But as an ordinary user tab is producing just tab space. How can fix that? thanx! |
| 06:20.09 | \amethyst | it could be a hardware conflict of some kind between the parallel port and the sound card |
| 06:20.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | it could be e.g. just a newer version of the hardware... and they changed something so that the linux driver in this version doesn't work with it |
| 06:20.28 | TrentH | Want me to disable one of them through bios(if thats possible) |
| 06:20.29 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah...Im thinking youre right.... |
| 06:20.51 | \amethyst | TrentH: ctrl-c out of there and try running modprobe --verbose lp from the command line |
| 06:21.08 | TrentH | It hangs. |
| 06:21.09 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: weird.. in rescue mode.. detecting hardware didnt complain about choosing an hd driver |
| 06:21.15 | \amethyst | TrentH: before it prints anything? |
| 06:21.18 | TrentH | I type it in, and it hangs. |
| 06:21.19 | TrentH | Yes. |
| 06:21.45 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: "normally" it prompts me for an hd driver when Im using the internal cf slot... only external usb cf allows me to get past that |
| 06:21.46 | \amethyst | TrentH: does modprobe usb work fine ? |
| 06:22.04 | TrentH | it says module usb not found |
| 06:22.36 | \amethyst | TrentH: oh, sorry, modprobe usb_storage |
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| 06:22.52 | TrentH | it works |
| 06:23.01 | TrentH | USB Mass Storage support registered |
| 06:23.01 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: ...nevermind... its asking me now |
| 06:23.18 | \amethyst | TrentH: okay, so it's definitely a problem with the lp driver |
| 06:23.42 | \amethyst | TrentH: dmesg | less and see if it says anything about 'parallel' or 'printer' or 'lp' in there |
| 06:23.43 | TrentH | Well atleast we narrowed down the problem. ^^ |
| 06:24.01 | TrentH | how do I scroll up? |
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| 06:24.15 | \amethyst | TrentH: in less, with the arrow keys |
| 06:24.25 | \amethyst | TrentH: that's why I said | less |
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| 06:24.50 | \amethyst | TrentH: in the console itself you can do shift-pgup but it can only go back a couple of pages |
| 06:25.18 | TrentH | what is lapic |
| 06:26.04 | \amethyst | local interrupt controler for a processor |
| 06:26.19 | TrentH | ACPI: Pci Interrupt Link disabled |
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| 06:26.46 | \amethyst | TrentH: not relevant... look for things that mention specifically 'lp', 'parallel', or 'printer' |
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| 06:27.57 | darrh00 | Debian's libcairo and libxft do not include lcdfilter patch,is it the patent problem that debian does not apply those patches? |
| 06:28.20 | TrentH | whats tIm not seeing anything. |
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| 06:28.50 | TrentH | is there a way to search in this? |
| 06:29.07 | \amethyst | TrentH: oh, sorry... slash, type what you want to search for, and press enter |
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| 06:29.43 | TrentH | nothing there |
| 06:29.44 | \amethyst | TrentH: n to go to the next occurrance, N to go to the previous |
| 06:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | darrh00, /usr/share/doc/libcairo2/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 06:30.43 | TrentH | wait |
| 06:30.46 | TrentH | I found some LP stuf.f |
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| 06:30.59 | TrentH | I typed /lp and it just shows some numbers... nothing nvm. |
| 06:31.06 | \amethyst | TrentH: numbers? |
| 06:31.15 | \amethyst | TrentH: do you see something that says 'oops' or 'OOPS' ? |
| 06:31.20 | TrentH | nope |
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| 06:31.39 | \amethyst | TrentH: hm, all I can think of is to try changing the IRQ or address of your parallel port in the BIOS, or disable it or the sound card |
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| 06:32.33 | TrentH | Wanna tell me how to do that? |
| 06:32.40 | TrentH | It says... |
| 06:32.45 | TrentH | no sound cards found |
| 06:32.48 | TrentH | during an alsa thing. |
| 06:33.36 | \amethyst | TrentH: hm, does lsmod | grep ctxfi print anything? |
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| 06:33.48 | TrentH | uhhh |
| 06:33.52 | TrentH | i dunno 1 sec |
| 06:34.23 | TrentH | I have to boot it back up. |
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| 06:34.27 | darrh00 | CutMeOwnThroat:Yes I have noticed that in changelog, it says evaluated ubuntu patches to 1.4.10 and applied none,but does not give the reason why these patches are refused. |
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| 06:34.52 | \amethyst | TrentH: as far as how to change the parallel port's IRQ etc, it depends on the bios. with some I think you have to press an undocumented key to get into the 'advanced settings', but I can't remember which BIOSes do that or what the key is |
| 06:34.57 | TrentH | it pulls up some files |
| 06:35.07 | TrentH | snd_ctxfi snd_pcm snd |
| 06:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | darrh00, sounds like he didn't like them? |
| 06:35.28 | \amethyst | darrh00: the reason is right there |
| 06:35.29 | \amethyst | darrh00: - 02-cairo-1.4.8-lcd-filter-2.dpatch - changes Cairo public API |
| 06:36.00 | TrentH | Want me to do the Bios thing? |
| 06:36.01 | sobersabre | hi guys. I have a file server, it runs debian stable, hw is a good mobo with 4 SATA of RAID class hdds, and they all run under and md. 2 nights ago it went powered off. |
| 06:36.07 | sobersabre | assuming it's not the power, |
| 06:36.21 | sobersabre | I ran some tests, and found nothing suspicious in the logs. |
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| 06:36.29 | \amethyst | darrh00: changing the API would mean a painful library transition, as every program/library that uses cairo would have to at the very least be recompiled with the new version, and might even have to be patched |
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| 06:36.40 | sobersabre | what do you think I should look for ? |
| 06:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | darrh00, tried them and decided it's mttiw |
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| 06:37.12 | jigpe | TrentH : yo |
| 06:37.32 | TrentH | \amethyst: Would it be.... Onboard IR |
| 06:37.37 | jigpe | TrentH : ill update the kernel right? |
| 06:37.39 | sobersabre | I started running some temperature monitoring, and I'm noticing the regular, "main" IDE hard disk runs under 54+/- degrees, while the RAID's disks are at ~41-42 degrees (all are celsius) |
| 06:37.42 | \amethyst | TrentH: no, that's infrared |
| 06:37.52 | sobersabre | ideas are welcome... |
| 06:37.53 | \amethyst | TrentH: it might be under 'legacy devices' or something like that |
| 06:37.53 | jigpe | TrentH: done installing :) debian lenny 5.1 |
| 06:38.29 | sobersabre | jigpe: do you mean 5.0.1 ? |
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| 06:38.45 | jigpe | sobersabre : yah i installed 5.0.1 |
| 06:38.48 | sobersabre | (there's 5.0.2 around, but I haven't heard of 5.1) |
| 06:39.19 | \amethyst | TrentH: if this doesn't work, I can't think of what to do other than following the 'removal' instructions on the X-Fi page |
| 06:39.32 | TrentH | Give me those instructions please. |
| 06:39.38 | TrentH | I'd very much like to not have to reformat. |
| 06:39.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | darrh00, of course only maintainer knows for sure what exactly he thought there... |
| 06:39.46 | jigpe | sobesabre : how to know if its 5.0.1 or 5.0.2? |
| 06:39.50 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: http://wiki.debian.org/X-Fi#Removal |
| 06:39.53 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: oops |
| 06:39.58 | \amethyst | TrentH: http://wiki.debian.org/X-Fi#Removal |
| 06:40.06 | \amethyst | TrentH: you should be able to do those in single-user mode |
| 06:40.53 | TrentH | jigpe: Good job, just open the terminal type in su and your root password |
| 06:41.01 | \amethyst | TrentH: do you actually have a parallel printer, or is it really USB or such? |
| 06:41.16 | TrentH | I don't even have a printer!? |
| 06:41.20 | \amethyst | TrentH: oh |
| 06:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, surely a worthy document to read :-P |
| 06:41.50 | darrh00 | \amethyst:I haven't gone through this patch so forgive me if I am wrong.I have manually applied this patch ,All my applications include gtk apps and iceweasel alike work just fine without recompilation.So is it definitely not a patent infringement problem? |
| 06:42.09 | \amethyst | TrentH: you can edit /etc/default/cups and change LOAD_LP_MODULE=yes to no |
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| 06:42.23 | TrentH | to late now im done removing... |
| 06:42.46 | \amethyst | darrh00: right... I'm not familiar with the patch, but the debian maintainer at least considers it to change the API somehow |
| 06:43.00 | \amethyst | darrh00: there might be a mailing list discussion about it somewhere, you could try google |
| 06:43.21 | TrentH | I've got it removed, i'm restarting right now, (yippie) |
| 06:43.22 | \amethyst | darrh00: Debian is usually pretty loose about patents that aren't actively enforced |
| 06:43.46 | \amethyst | darrh00: e.g. Debian compiles in Xft truetype hinting where e.g. Fedora disables it |
| 06:43.55 | TrentH | \amethyst: That worked, removing it. |
| 06:44.28 | \amethyst | TrentH: sorry, I would have mentioned the /etc/default/cups thing earlier, but I didn't notice that part of the script until just now |
| 06:44.46 | TrentH | Want me to reinstall, and try again? |
| 06:45.34 | \amethyst | TrentH: well, since it didn't sound like it found the sound card anyway, I'm not sure if it's worth it |
| 06:45.38 | darrh00 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:46.00 | TrentH | I'mma try anyways. |
| 06:46.02 | TrentH | It's not that much work. |
| 06:46.07 | \amethyst | darrh00: no policy, but it's been discussed on debian-devel and debian-legal in the past, you can trie |
| 06:46.08 | TrentH | Beats having to reformat. LOL. |
| 06:46.33 | \amethyst | TrentH: I would definitely do the thing in /etc/default/cups, regardless |
| 06:47.14 | \amethyst | TrentH: if you don't have a parallel printer, it's not likely that you'll get one in the future, so you have no reason to ever load that module |
| 06:47.37 | TrentH | Yep |
| 06:47.51 | TrentH | \amethyst: I appreciate your help. Espeically on a "beta" driver. |
| 06:48.11 | jigpe | TrentH : is this a correct update of debian lenny new kernel? http://linux-hardcore.com/index.php?topic=1045.0 |
| 06:48.22 | TrentH | Uh.... |
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| 06:49.10 | TrentH | \amethyst: Wanna help him out? |
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| 06:49.19 | TrentH | jigpe type uname -r in the terminal. |
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| 06:50.08 | \amethyst | TrentH: sorry, I've gtg for a bit... I'm sure there are plenty of others who can help |
| 06:50.23 | TrentH | Jigpe: When you type uname -r it'll show you the kernel version. |
| 06:50.55 | iamy_china | I am tring to install debian on a pc. But it always stock in 5%. Does anyone here can help me please? |
| 06:50.56 | \amethyst | TrentH: good luck getting things working... I think changing /etc/default/cups should fix the boot hang, then you can play around with the sound drivers some more |
| 06:51.36 | TrentH | Thank you so much. |
| 06:51.40 | TrentH | I do appreciate all of your help. |
| 06:51.48 | TrentH | I've changed the file, so i'mma see if we bootup. |
| 06:51.54 | \amethyst | TrentH: it might be interesting to see if you get the hang whenever you load the lp driver, or only if the snd-ctxfi driver has already been loaded... would help in filing a bug report |
| 06:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 06:52.07 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc5-686 (2.6.31~rc5-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14082); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-3~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch2); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 06:52.15 | TrentH | LMFAO! |
| 06:52.26 | TrentH | Omg, \amethyst that fixed the hang. |
| 06:52.32 | \amethyst | TrentH: (on the ctxfi driver of course; not the debian bts since the driver didn't come from there) |
| 06:52.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jigpe, he's compiling 2.6.21?! |
| 06:52.50 | jigpe | TrentH : 2.6.26-686 (uname -r |
| 06:53.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's older than in lenny |
| 06:53.09 | TrentH | Jigpe: That's the updated kernel version. |
| 06:53.09 | \amethyst | TrentH: and if you completly remove the sound driver, reboot, and do modprobe lp from the command line, does it hang? |
| 06:53.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wayttd jigpe |
| 06:53.29 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jigpe? |
| 06:53.31 | TrentH | I don't wanna remove the sounddriver.... I just got it to boot with the driver installed. |
| 06:53.41 | iamy_china | I am tring to install debian on a pc. But it always stock in 5%. Does anyone here can help me please? |
| 06:53.45 | \amethyst | TrentH: if not, then there's your bug report: "having snd-ctxfi loaded causes loading the lp driver to hang" |
| 06:53.52 | jigpe | CutMeOwnThroat i thought my kernel is old hehehe |
| 06:53.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | jigpe, i.e. why do you think you need to compile a kernel |
| 06:54.12 | jigpe | CutMeOwnThroat to enable the wireless i guess |
| 06:54.20 | \amethyst | TrentH: I'm not sure where alsa driver bugs go, but google should tell you |
| 06:54.28 | TrentH | \amethyst: My audio works now. |
| 06:54.34 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for all the advice.... still stuck with it... not sure where to look next.. wish me luck :-) |
| 06:54.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | jigpe, if you need a newer kernel, 2.6.30-3~bpo50+1 is in backports (for that /msg dpkg bpo ) |
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| 06:54.39 | \amethyst | TrentH: oh, rock on :) |
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| 06:54.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, good luck |
| 06:54.59 | paulfm | thanks.. Imma need it |
| 06:55.05 | TrentH | \amethyst: if you come to my house i'll prostatute my sister for you. |
| 06:55.11 | jigpe | CutMeOwnThroat how to enable wireless? there is not hardware in System |
| 06:55.11 | paulfm | adios all.. good night from sf |
| 06:55.23 | \amethyst | TrentH: still worth filing a bug report with the driver authors, they might be able to help figure out *why* the hang happens, and fix the problem so no one else is affected |
| 06:55.33 | amol | hi to all, i am getting error as /usr/include/libnotify/notify.h:24:18: error: glib.h: No such file or directory ..but i have glib.h /usr/include/glib-2.0 |
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| 06:55.55 | TrentH | Where do I go to fill out the bug report? |
| 06:55.57 | \amethyst | TrentH: that's inappropriate, but the sentiment is appreciated |
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| 06:56.25 | TrentH | \amethyst: I'm 14, it's my job to be inappropriate. ^^ |
| 06:56.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need hardware |
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| 06:57.00 | \amethyst | TrentH: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/login_page.php but you have to sign up for an account (after accepting an expired server certificate) |
| 06:57.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | software alone doesn't run so well |
| 06:57.27 | \amethyst | TrentH: that's about the age at which I started using GNU/Linux |
| 06:57.34 | craigevil | amol: during a source compile? you need the -dev package , linux-libc-dev |
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| 06:57.47 | TrentH | My YouTube keeps buffering XD |
| 06:57.52 | \amethyst | TrentH: anyway, I should be going; I may be back later tonight (UTC-0400) |
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| 06:58.46 | jigpe | CutMeOwnThroathow to enable wireless to see all list wireless SSID? |
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| 06:59.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wireless |
| 06:59.48 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 06:59.54 | jigpe | in Services Settings theres no wireless options to enable |
| 07:00.01 | darrh00 | jigpe:ifconfig wlanX up to enable the radio and iwlist wlanX scan to list the open ssids |
| 07:00.14 | mrtn123 | I encrypted a file with "gpg --symmetric filename". However, I would like that my friend under Windows XP is able to open it. Is there a free utility under windows to open this encrypted file? |
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| 07:01.23 | jigpe | darrh00: ifconfig wlanX up " wlanx: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 07:02.06 | jigpe | but in ubuntu9.04 it detects automatically after installation.i even updated the updates.apt-get update |
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| 07:02.28 | darrh00 | jigpe:where is your wireless card? see what iwconfig outputs |
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| 07:03.18 | jigpe | darrh00: wlan0 IEEE 802.11 ESSID |
| 07:03.47 | jigpe | Mode: Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not Associated |
| 07:03.57 | jigpe | Tx-Power=0 dBm |
| 07:04.16 | jigpe | Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2352 |
| 07:04.19 | jigpe | B |
| 07:04.25 | darrh00 | jigpe:then iwlist wlan0 scan to scan |
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| 07:05.15 | jigpe | darrh00: iwlist wlan0 scan.. wlan0 Interface doesnt support scanning : Network is down |
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| 07:06.41 | Shtl | how to find the installed package path??? |
| 07:06.51 | omid8bimo | how can i check from terminal, my servers RAID scsi disk? just to see how many disks i have |
| 07:07.13 | darrh00 | jigpe:you should enable the radio first :ifconfig wlan0 up,check the wireless light. |
| 07:07.16 | groton | the boot of my debian system is stuck at the message: Being: mounting root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top... done. Begin: Waiting for root file system ... Any hint? |
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| 07:10.48 | jigpe | darrh00 : SI0CSIFFLAGS : No such file or directory |
| 07:11.13 | jigpe | darrh00 :ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 07:12.26 | mrtn123 | is Gpg4win able to decrypt a file, which is encrypted using gpg under Debian? |
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| 07:13.23 | boonyo | mrtn123, yes |
| 07:13.34 | boonyo | the encryption is independant of operating system |
| 07:15.03 | mrtn123 | boonyo: ok, it wants so kind of key from me |
| 07:15.17 | groton | anyone? |
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| 07:16.42 | amol | craigevil, after installing linux-libc-dev also i am getting same error. |
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| 07:18.24 | boonyo | mrtn123, http://www.glump.net/gpg/gpg_intro |
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| 07:20.21 | atul211 | hi |
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| 07:23.25 | amol | craigevil, http://pastebin.com/m7dde331f |
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| 07:24.31 | craigevil | check if you have > libnotify-dev: /usr/include/libnotify/notify.h |
| 07:24.49 | craigevil | apt-file search is helpful when weird crap like this happens |
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| 07:25.13 | d0htem | apt-file search glib.h |
| 07:25.15 | d0htem | oops |
| 07:26.24 | amol | craigevil, i have installed libnotify-dev |
| 07:26.26 | darrh00 | dlocate is great too! just dlocate glib.h |
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| 07:26.59 | simonrvn | only if the pkg is installed |
| 07:27.33 | darrh00 | apt-file can search files in pkg not installed? |
| 07:28.03 | amol | darrh00, i have checked library using locate it shows /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h |
| 07:28.12 | d0htem | apparenty it can |
| 07:28.19 | simonrvn | that's the point, yes |
| 07:28.44 | d0htem | it updates some cache's from all ur deps first |
| 07:29.00 | d0htem | then after u can search that cache is what im getting from just installing it |
| 07:29.23 | darrh00 | that's great.it's the tool I long missed. |
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| 07:30.07 | JyZyXEL | great, mdadm didn't feel like bringin all my raid devices up at the startup so it started in degraded mode |
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| 07:30.39 | JyZyXEL | now i gotta do a useless rebuild |
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| 07:33.32 | JyZyXEL | i guess someone fucked up a init script somewhere |
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| 07:36.06 | amol | darrh00, if locate can show a specific file means file location is updated in cache then why not it is taking while compiling using gcc |
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| 07:38.31 | \amethyst | amol: does pkg-config -clfags gtk+-2.0 include the correct -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 ? |
| 07:38.50 | \amethyst | amol: sorry, -cflags not -clfags |
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| 07:39.32 | amol | \amethyst, how to check that which path it is taking? |
| 07:39.43 | \amethyst | amol: pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 |
| 07:40.09 | \amethyst | amol: OHH |
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| 07:40.35 | \amethyst | amol: on the command line there you used gcc `pkg-config âcflags âlibs gtk+-2.0` notify.c -o notify -l notify |
| 07:40.54 | \amethyst | amol: you have em dashes where you should have two hyphens |
| 07:41.03 | kraut | moin |
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| 07:41.31 | amol | \amethyst, http://pastebin.com/m626ec92a here is output of command |
| 07:41.41 | \amethyst | amol: so pkg-config is getting confused and not printing anything, and gcc isn't getting the include paths added |
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| 07:42.06 | \amethyst | amol: yeah, that output looks correct, so I'm pretty sure it is the em-dash versus two hyphens thing |
| 07:43.58 | amol | \amethyst, thanks after giving 2 hiphen it worked. |
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| 07:49.58 | Wesley | any people known with 3ware? have replaced a disk but i'm not sure how to put it back in the array (raid 5) |
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| 07:54.58 | derferman | what is the best way to upgrade python 2.5 to 2.6? |
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| 07:59.53 | Phasy13 | How to make an extended desktop on linux? I mean using two monitors |
| 08:00.23 | Phasy13 | when I pull my mouse over the right bound of one of the monitors, the cursor appears on the other |
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| 08:01.11 | DGnome | Hi! I've somehow managed to ruin some of the files in /var/lib/apt/lists and when trying to remove the faulty ones, rm says 'stale NFS file handle'. Reboot did not solve the problem and there are absolutely zero NFS mounts in question... Any ideas? |
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| 08:02.43 | flourish | hello, howto find weather the usb use ohci or ehci? |
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| 08:03.31 | cahoot | flourish: I think you mean uhci vs ohci - ehci is usb2 - no? |
| 08:05.43 | flourish | cahoot: yes, maybe. I know little about uhci. |
| 08:08.42 | flourish | cahoot: :-) i have STFW just now. i want to know which one my notebook use |
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| 08:14.56 | flourish | i got it. lsmod |grep hci :-) |
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| 08:16.20 | ik1ngz | yo yo |
| 08:16.36 | TrentH | yo |
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| 08:16.55 | TrentH | What's a good AV for debian ^^ |
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| 08:17.12 | superlinux_ | does grub-install write the MBR? |
| 08:17.25 | kwork | TrentH, clam maybe ? |
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| 08:18.05 | EmleyMoor | TrentH: I use clamav for all of my AV needs - handy to have on the email for a start |
| 08:18.09 | TrentH | kwork: What bout updating it? Is there a way to automatically make it do it? |
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| 08:18.30 | superlinux_ | guys?! |
| 08:18.33 | TrentH | Can we chmod? |
| 08:18.37 | superlinux_ | does grub-install write the MBR? |
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| 08:18.54 | kwork | TrentH, cronscript ? |
| 08:18.55 | EmleyMoor | TrentH: It's maintained in volatile and includes an automatic definition fetch script |
| 08:19.27 | EmleyMoor | superlinux_: If that's where you installed/are installing it, yes. Otherwise, no. |
| 08:19.58 | EmleyMoor | TrentH: Actually, a script run by cron |
| 08:20.01 | TrentH | EmleyMoor: So your saying ClamAV automatically checks for virus definitions? Daily? |
| 08:20.07 | TrentH | Oh... |
| 08:20.12 | superlinux_ | what if i do grub-install /dev/hdx ? |
| 08:20.23 | superlinux_ | EmleyMoor, ? |
| 08:20.26 | EmleyMoor | TrentH: As it is set up - and you can adjust that in the crontab |
| 08:20.48 | EmleyMoor | superlinux_: Did you originally install grub to your MBR? |
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| 08:20.54 | groton | anyone know how to mount a device like /dev/mapper/nvidia_befeedhb? Up to know i been able to mount only /dev/dm-0 which prolly corresponds to the nvidia_befeedhb device. |
| 08:21.08 | superlinux_ | EmleyMoor, i am just planning for a solution for some ppl |
| 08:21.55 | EmleyMoor | groton: It should be simple enough to mount that... if that is what it is actually called |
| 08:22.02 | sylar | are there good anonymous web browsing techniques/programs? |
| 08:22.34 | superlinux_ | EmleyMoor, what i am thinking of making the system boot from a USB flash disk. the /boot folder will have all the boot info on it. the USB will look like a door key |
| 08:22.38 | EmleyMoor | superlinux_: I would, at least on a Debian-only box, put it on the MBR so in my case the answer would be yes. |
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| 08:22.55 | TrentH | EmleyMoor: In order to get ClamAV to scan mail. Do I need to download "mailscanner". |
| 08:22.58 | groton | EmleyMoor, when mounting i get an error. Is there a way to collect some information about these /dev/mapper/* entries? For example, which are the correspondant /dev/dm-* devices to it? |
| 08:23.15 | EmleyMoor | "an error" - what error? |
| 08:23.29 | superlinux_ | i think it's a cool and nice solution. the USB as a turn key |
| 08:23.44 | groton | EmleyMoor, it is not relevant the error for my concern, but i could tell you, hold on |
| 08:24.36 | groton | EmleyMoor, mount: //dev/mapper/nvidia_blabla already mounted or /mnt/t busy. |
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| 08:25.01 | EmleyMoor | ls -l /dev/mapper and see if it gives you any clues |
| 08:25.11 | groton | EmleyMoor, when i try to mount /dev/dm-1 (which should be the first partition on the nvidia_blabla disk) does work |
| 08:25.54 | groton | EmleyMoor, in there i have nvidia_bla, nvidia_bla1 and nvidia_bla5, the latters ones being the first partition and the swap one |
| 08:26.01 | EmleyMoor | (pastebin it if you think me seeing it would help |
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| 08:26.20 | groton | EmleyMoor, oh, cool, using the nvidia_bla1 is the same as using dm-1 :) |
| 08:26.23 | EmleyMoor | (also pastebin the output or mount) |
| 08:26.40 | EmleyMoor | Ah, I see |
| 08:26.47 | groton | EmleyMoor, i meant, i been able to mount it, thanks |
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| 08:27.22 | groton | EmleyMoor, still, i have to understand why my fakeraid cannot boot and still is stuck at " Being: mounting root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top... done. Begin: Waiting for root file system ..." |
| 08:27.35 | EmleyMoor | I see the /dev/dm-* on mine nom |
| 08:27.36 | EmleyMoor | now |
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| 08:27.56 | EmleyMoor | groton: Sorry, never used fakeraid |
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| 08:29.01 | EmleyMoor | wishes there was an easy way to mount filesystems from another machine's lvm |
| 08:29.04 | groton | EmleyMoor, but if you see the dm-* devices you prolly are using it, isnt it? |
| 08:29.31 | EmleyMoor | groton: I have never referred to them s always /dev/mapper... |
| 08:29.38 | groton | ok |
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| 08:31.33 | groton | well, my problems started when updating my debian system someone changed the root() grub commands to "root (nvidia_blabla)", and since then i get "error 23 error parsing number" on boot. |
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| 08:32.14 | groton | now i put back in there root (hd0,0), but then the boot process is stuck at mounting the root file system |
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| 08:34.37 | groton | and after the waiting i get: "ALERT! /dev/mapper/nvidia_befeedhb1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
| 08:35.02 | groton | but it does exist, at least that is present in the /dev/mapper/directory when i boot with knoppix |
| 08:35.32 | TrentH | oh snap |
| 08:35.43 | TrentH | I got the new Crossover 8.0 Pro ^^ |
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| 08:36.33 | groton | it seems the /dev/mapper/ is empty, and if i do "dmraid -ay" in the initramfs shell then the fakeraid is finally activated and /dev/mapper contains them |
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| 08:38.49 | Imran-UK | does anyone know how to use rsync without encryption? i tried rsh=rcp but in lenny its aliases to scp |
| 08:40.07 | \amethyst | Imran-UK: run an rsync daemon on the remote end and use user@host::file instead of user@host:file |
| 08:40.27 | maxagaz | what is the difference between pkill and killall ? |
| 08:40.47 | TrentH | pkil = just kills the single process |
| 08:40.51 | Imran-UK | \amethyst, thanks, yep i saw that as an option in the man page. but can it be done easily using plain rsync? |
| 08:41.01 | TrentH | killall kills all the process's asscoiated with the process. |
| 08:41.13 | \amethyst | Imran-UK: that is plain rsync |
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| 08:41.38 | Imran-UK | \amethyst, ok. what i meant is "without running a daemon" |
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| 08:42.05 | \amethyst | Imran-UK: then, no, unless you get a real rsh instead of ssh |
| 08:42.13 | Imran-UK | ok |
| 08:42.31 | \amethyst | Imran-UK: and that has major security issues (since you're allowing users to log in over an unencrypted connection) |
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| 08:42.56 | Imran-UK | \amethyst, you're assuming i'm rsyncing over a untrusted network. this is a lan |
| 08:43.27 | \amethyst | and you're sure no one you don't trust can plug a computer into the network? |
| 08:43.44 | \amethyst | or that no machine on this network can be subverted into sniffing packets? |
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| 08:45.20 | \amethyst | Imran-UK: anyway, you can install rsh-client and rsh-server and then update-alternatives --config rsh to make /usr/bin/rsh point to netkit-rsh instead of ssh |
| 08:46.05 | Imran-UK | \amethyst, cheers, will give that a try |
| 08:46.21 | \amethyst | Imran-UK: you'll probably want to make sure that hosts.allow only allows connections from IP addresses you trust |
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| 08:47.15 | \amethyst | Imran-UK: the rsync daemon is probably somewhat safer, though, and no harder to set up |
| 08:47.40 | Imran-UK | \amethyst, i might check it out, i was just looking for a quick one-liner solution |
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| 08:48.03 | \amethyst | Imran-UK: (you just change RSYNC_ENABLE to true in /etc/default/rsync then do invoke-rc.d rsync start |
| 08:48.06 | \amethyst | ) |
| 08:48.54 | \amethyst | though probably you shouldn't be using ls at all |
| 08:48.58 | \amethyst | doh, wrong channel |
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| 08:49.37 | TrentH | \amethyst: The sound driver is working great. :) |
| 08:49.51 | \amethyst | TrentH: great, congrats |
| 08:50.13 | TrentH | \amethyst: I got CoD4, trying to run it using CrossOver... little success. |
| 08:50.36 | \amethyst | TrentH: almost no Wine experience here... or even Windows experience :) |
| 08:50.51 | TrentH | Im the windows master! |
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| 08:51.16 | TrentH | You booting up windows is like me booting up linux. lol |
| 08:51.20 | \amethyst | TrentH: I've got a windows virtual machine that I boot up at most once a month when I need to open a Word document that doesn't display correctly in openoffice |
| 08:51.43 | \amethyst | TrentH: more like once every three or four months |
| 08:51.54 | TrentH | lol. |
| 08:52.01 | TrentH | I got CrossOver off a torrent. :( |
| 08:52.15 | TrentH | so no harm if call of duty don't work on it eh? ^^ |
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| 08:52.57 | \amethyst | TrentH: http://www.wine-reviews.net/games/call-of-duty-4-modern-warfare-on-linux-with-wine.html |
| 08:53.15 | \amethyst | TrentH: at least someone has gotten it working with the free Wine |
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| 08:53.24 | TrentH | there's a paid wine? |
| 08:53.36 | \amethyst | TrentH: crossover |
| 08:53.48 | d_b | \amethyst: and Cedega right? |
| 08:54.04 | \amethyst | d_b: yes |
| 08:54.30 | TrentH | Ohhhhh |
| 08:54.34 | TrentH | Cedega.... |
| 08:54.40 | TrentH | I'mma go piratebay that ^^ |
| 08:54.44 | d_b | There is one that's "bad" though |
| 08:55.17 | d_b | Don't remember which one but something that made Wine change their licensing if I remember correctly |
| 08:55.46 | TrentH | I don't mean to sound stupid... but what is my harddrive labeled as? |
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| 08:55.56 | TrentH | C: D: B: A: X: Z: Y: ? |
| 08:56.02 | JPT | heh |
| 08:56.18 | \amethyst | d_b: Cedega likely... it's a fork from when Wine used the X11 license |
| 08:56.20 | JPT | you won't have those drive letters on linux |
| 08:56.36 | JPT | TrentH: you're having / as the virtual root directory |
| 08:56.43 | themill | TrentH: the free software movement isn't about pirating software, it's about creating open source, free alternatives. ripping things off piratebay and torrents is not appreciated in #debian. |
| 08:56.48 | JPT | and in this you're having folders where other partitions are mounted |
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| 08:57.00 | d_b | TrentH: http://www.freeos.com/articles/3102/ |
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| 08:57.05 | herb_ | hi everybody! |
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| 08:57.24 | TrentH | themill: I'm not "ripping" i'm using an unlocked trial. ^^ I'll buy the software if it's what I want. After all paid software works better than cracked mostly. |
| 08:57.47 | herb_ | Terminal autocomplete isn't working for ordinary users. How can I fix that? thanx! |
| 08:58.20 | JPT | autocomplete is not supposed to autocomplete users? |
| 08:58.46 | d_b | JPT: I think herb_ means users can't autocomplete. |
| 08:58.48 | herb_ | :) i meant autocomplete commands |
| 08:58.57 | JPT | oh |
| 08:59.00 | JPT | that meaning |
| 08:59.02 | beardy | herb_: It should be. Have these users fiddled with their shell's init files, assuming bash, .bashrc and .bash_profile? |
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| 09:00.01 | d_b | herb_: I had the same problem once, don't remember if it was in Debian or Ubuntu but I found the answer with Google. I think I had to download some autocomplete thing or change something in a config file. Not very helpful but just so you know there *is* an answer :) |
| 09:00.21 | herb_ | beardy, terminal didn't create bashrc |
| 09:00.24 | themill | herb_: autocomplete commands or autocomplete command options? |
| 09:00.35 | beardy | herb_: How did you create the user? |
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| 09:00.45 | herb_ | d_b, autocomplete works perfectly if im root |
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| 09:00.58 | herb_ | beardy useradd |
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| 09:01.32 | beardy | herb_: Then that's why. Use adduser instead. |
| 09:01.40 | herb_ | beardy, and when i add a user, it didn't create home directory, i did it manually |
| 09:01.44 | d_b | herb_: I think it did for me too. |
| 09:02.11 | herb_ | beardy, d_b themill thanx guys, i'll try that |
| 09:02.25 | beardy | herb_: Yes. adduser. useradd only creates the user, it doesn't create a homedirectory or put skeleton files in it, adduser does that. |
| 09:02.34 | herb_ | ok |
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| 09:24.28 | jigpe | thanks darrh00 nsadmin kmonk camassi everyone! |
| 09:24.33 | jigpe | it works now! |
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| 09:26.41 | esticsman | hi all. I have a lenny machine with scsi and raid. the problem is that at boot time, the raid is loaded before the scsi disks have been detected, so mdadm complains that ir cannot build the raid arrays. how can I delay the raid build up to the scsi disks have been detected? |
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| 09:28.10 | amol | hi to all,can you tell me how gnome-power-manager detects device connection? |
| 09:28.20 | amol | i have a c program i.e notification ..whenever usb storage device connects to system i want to run notification..how to detect device is connected like in gnome-power-manager |
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| 09:28.49 | varlon | hi, I'm updated my desktop now (debian sid), I got kde4.3 How can I back old default theme for KDE? Now, how can I undestand I'm using Air, but want oxygen? |
| 09:29.14 | esticsman | amol: amol f;lksdjfldskj |
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| 09:30.00 | amol | esticsman, ?? |
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| 09:33.34 | sureboy | Enter text here...hello |
| 09:33.57 | sureboy | How are you doing |
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| 09:35.55 | sureboy | hello friend,i will like to make business with you |
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| 09:39.14 | Imran-UK | sureboy, if its to do with gold nuggets being smuggled out of nigeria, dont both - iv already entered into several transactions |
| 09:39.31 | g00se | sureboy: let's hope the subject matter is debian.. |
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| 09:39.55 | Imran-UK | \amethyst, well i got the rsync daemon working - the docs are sure confusing abt this "module" business |
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| 09:40.46 | g00se | amol: Check out gnome-volume-manager |
| 09:41.57 | amol | g00se, i downloaded source but was not understanding as well same thing in gnome-power-manger when we connects power plug to laptop it shows charging. |
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| 09:44.08 | sureboy | hello debian |
| 09:44.11 | sureboy | how are you doing? |
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| 09:45.14 | themill | sureboy: do you have a debian-support question we can help you with? |
| 09:45.17 | sureboy | Am here deb |
| 09:45.20 | sureboy | talk to me |
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| 09:45.45 | sureboy | i dont think i have |
| 09:45.48 | sureboy | why? |
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| 09:46.14 | themill | sureboy: this isn't a channel for idle chatter. Try #defocus or #debian-offtopic instead |
| 09:47.03 | g00se | amol: acpi would probably come into it too |
| 09:47.06 | sureboy | yes am trying to talk to debian |
| 09:47.15 | xand | themill: yeah, I'm sure we want trolls there too :P |
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| 09:47.20 | xand | sureboy: shut up and go away. |
| 09:47.43 | g00se | !ops sureboy is a time-waster |
| 09:47.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: g00se complains about: sureboy is a time-waster |
| 09:48.14 | azeem_ | sureboy: if you do not have a debian question, please be either quiet or leave |
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| 09:48.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | sureboy: like a bot it is talking |
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| 09:48.43 | yang | Is this error avoidable on 2.6.9 kernel. I tried to execute squeeze system update, however it doesn't let me do it. - http://pastebin.ca/1518990 (And yes, I cannot upgrade kernel, since its a vserver) |
| 09:49.01 | azeem | yang: I think you need a newer kernel than 2.6.9 to run squeeze |
| 09:49.40 | Selveste1 | yang 2.6.18 is in vserver kernel to |
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| 09:49.59 | Selveste1 | I ran with it in lenny before i changed to XEN |
| 09:50.09 | yang | azeem: so, I am left on the mercy of ISP, whenever they will plan to update their kernel |
| 09:50.16 | azeem | yang: yes |
| 09:50.25 | azeem | lenny might still run on a 2.6.9 kernel, not sure |
| 09:50.42 | yang | azeem: it doesn't look they will do it, however they forced me to extend the contract for one more year |
| 09:50.54 | azeem | yang: we can't do much for you here |
| 09:50.58 | yang | i know |
| 09:51.04 | azeem | yang: note that etch is still supported by Debian |
| 09:51.12 | azeem | which will most probably still run on 2.6.9 |
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| 09:51.17 | azeem | as I said, lenny might as well |
| 09:51.22 | yang | azeem: I allready upgraded to squeeze, i cannot go back to etch ? |
| 09:51.26 | azeem | no |
| 09:51.33 | azeem | you'd need to reinstall |
| 09:51.38 | yang | great |
| 09:51.48 | yang | ok, thanks for the hint |
| 09:52.28 | azeem | yang: well, the upgrade of glibc was probably the first thing in your squeeze update, and it failed |
| 09:52.28 | azeem | so likely you are not running squeeze yet |
| 09:52.29 | g00se | amol: Run hal-device too maybe |
| 09:52.37 | azeem | yang: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 09:52.38 | yang | azeem: can i replace sources with lenny and update? |
| 09:52.47 | Selveste1 | !tell yang about aptitude clone |
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| 09:53.18 | yang | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:53.25 | azeem | ok, so too late |
| 09:53.55 | azeem | oh wait |
| 09:54.00 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.00 | yang | it says at least 2.6.18 should be there |
| 09:54.07 | yang | but it is 2.6.9 |
| 09:54.22 | azeem | so yeah, just replace squeeze with lenny in your sources.list and see what upgrade does |
| 09:54.27 | yang | ok |
| 09:55.17 | Selveste1 | yang - have you tryed to tell your ISP that 2.6.18-vserver is out ? :P maby they will upgrade there kernel |
| 09:56.32 | yang | Selveste1: they have a lame excuse |
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| 09:57.10 | yang | azeem: ok, I am back to lenny now, it seems to work :) |
| 09:57.20 | yang | thanks |
| 09:57.38 | sureboy | hello |
| 09:57.43 | sureboy | i want to work with you |
| 09:57.44 | azeem | yang: next time, think twice when you try to upgrade to an development version on an (apparently) production machine |
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| 09:57.51 | Selveste1 | hmm, My server host just upgraded there kernel from 2.6.18 to 2.6.26 on the server im renting cause I asked them to :S |
| 09:57.54 | sureboy | i mean do bussiness with you |
| 09:57.58 | azeem | sureboy: 11:48 < azeem_> sureboy: if you do not have a debian question, please be either quiet or leave |
| 09:57.58 | sureboy | pls |
| 09:57.59 | yang | azeem: yes |
| 09:58.40 | sureboy | azeem can i do business with you? |
| 09:58.51 | yang | Selveste1: well they told me, that they have 2.6.9 on a series of their servers, so it's impossible for them to do the update :( |
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| 09:59.25 | azeem | sureboy: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 09:59.26 | yang | Selveste1: i wonder what kind of SYS that is - 2.6.9-023stab048.4-smp |
| 09:59.33 | azeem | please try to be more signal and less noise in the future |
| 09:59.49 | MNZ | Hi, I've installed the 2.6.29 kernel from the debian kernel repos and now I'm trying to install the headers but it complains that the the package linux-kbuild-2.6.29 cannot be found |
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| 10:02.03 | Selveste1 | yang: Gentoo run that kernel name :S but not sure :P |
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| 10:03.00 | yang | But it is still surprising me that 2.6.26 is in squeeze, It's been there for more than a year I think |
| 10:03.21 | dog-loves-cat | Hi |
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| 10:11.00 | yang | Another problem that I encounter on another machine is with "drbd" package - http://pastebin.ca/1519010 |
| 10:11.21 | Selveste1 | what is the max amount of ram the current stable standard debian kernel of lenny is capable of ? |
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| 10:11.51 | yang | Selveste1: I think that depends if you have 32 or 64 bit version |
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| 10:12.18 | petemc | 64gig with pae on 32bit |
| 10:12.21 | petemc | i think |
| 10:12.37 | sureboy | hello |
| 10:13.14 | sureboy | azeem you still there? |
| 10:13.18 | sureboy | talk man |
| 10:13.24 | azeem | sureboy: this is a support channel |
| 10:13.33 | azeem | if you do not have a Debian support question, please either keep quiet or leave |
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| 10:14.13 | sureboy | yes deb is not talking but pls can i do bussiness with you azeem |
| 10:14.17 | Selveste1 | yang: it is going to ba a 64-bit |
| 10:14.35 | sureboy | i was buzzing you on your id but you are not talking |
| 10:14.36 | azeem | sureboy: what does "business to me" have to do with Debian support questions? |
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| 10:18.38 | diddy | Is CD number 1 sufficient for a normal server installation? |
| 10:18.50 | Selveste1 | is the default kernels with PAE enabled? |
| 10:18.51 | yang | diddy: yes |
| 10:18.57 | sureboy | you see i wanna do business with deb but she is not talking to me...but i can also do with you if you dont mind |
| 10:19.06 | diddy | yang: Thx |
| 10:19.31 | EmleyMoor | sureboy: Who is this "deb"? |
| 10:19.50 | sureboy | i mean debian |
| 10:20.15 | EmleyMoor | Debian is not a person |
| 10:20.30 | MNZ | sureboy, debian hasn't aquired self awareness yet. Sorry. Wait for release 10.0 |
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| 10:22.29 | sureboy | emleymoor....iam talking to you on your id now |
| 10:22.35 | sureboy | pls talk to me there |
| 10:22.36 | sureboy | okay? |
| 10:23.34 | EmleyMoor | If you can explain what the business is and how it relates to Debian you might get a response more readily - failing that please leave |
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| 10:25.47 | sureboy | emleymoor.....okay i just found debian here and i fill i can do business with debian but not talking to me but if you dont mind i want good cvv....i wanna buy pls if you get i need pls... |
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| 10:26.17 | Roland | sureboy, what have you been smoking? |
| 10:26.24 | Mikael_l | :) |
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| 10:27.01 | Seb | what's the best way in debian to pass "-y" to the fsck that runs at boot time ? |
| 10:27.48 | Seb | I know it's dangerous, but I deal with a lot of debian virtual machines, so disk corruption is not a problem, I just don't want the boot sequence to be interrupted |
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| 10:29.08 | Shtl | %c4X server is unable to start, its saying "Ring end, space 28 wanted 32", can any one help me please?? |
| 10:29.16 | Shtl | X server is unable to start, its saying "Ring end, space 28 wanted 32", can any one help me please?? |
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| 10:30.38 | Roland | insmod: can't read 'usb-serial.o': No such file or directory, Wher do I get this usb-serial.o ? |
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| 10:31.04 | diddy | While doing a jigsaw download I am getting tons of 404 file not found error messages. What could be the problem? |
| 10:31.45 | yang | I am wonderring with a LVM+Luks setup, when I perform computer restart...I see in the shutdown procedure - Initializing shutdown init...umounting local filesystem....failed and umounting / failed.... Why does this fail ? |
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| 10:33.35 | za3tout | hi |
| 10:33.49 | yang | And if is there a monitoring tool to log everything, what is performed on shutdown , like bootlogd (which is set on startup) |
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| 10:35.49 | ma3x | hi whats this error im getting when compiling kernel? lguest.c:19:25: error: sys/eventfd.h: No such file or directory |
| 10:35.50 | za3tout | hi |
| 10:35.56 | Selveste1 | yang: my server fails to, and I have same setup on my server - LVM+Luke on MD2 - and it fails every-time unless I unmounts it before rebooting |
| 10:37.13 | \amethyst | ma3x: err, lguest.c is under Documentation/ isn't it? |
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| 10:37.20 | \amethyst | ma3x: it shouldn't be trying to build that |
| 10:37.35 | yang | Selveste1: can you unmount the LVM and then still perform a reboot ? |
| 10:37.56 | ma3x | \amethyst: i'm doing make-kpkg buildpackage inside wireless embeded kernel |
| 10:38.21 | kombi | how do I not load a certain driver (pcspkr)? |
| 10:38.23 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 10:38.55 | Selveste1 | I can, caus the root is not on a crypted LVM only DATA and home is crypted |
| 10:38.58 | \amethyst | kombi: add the line blacklist pcspkr to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 10:39.32 | kombi | thanks! |
| 10:39.35 | Roland | how to create usb-serial.o module? |
| 10:39.36 | \amethyst | ma3x: not sure, unless there's something in one of those patches that conflicts somehow with the make-kpkg build system |
| 10:39.46 | yang | Selveste1: Ah, I have the / (root) crypted, except /boot which is on plain ext3 |
| 10:39.57 | \amethyst | Roland: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 10:40.32 | \amethyst | ma3x: but that's definitely a userspace program and shouldn't be compiled as part of the kernel |
| 10:40.37 | ma3x | \amethyst: im trying to compile it from wireless-testing |
| 10:40.38 | groton | is there a way to replicate the current installed kernel in a bootable cd? using debian squeeze here |
| 10:41.10 | Roland | \amethyst, no, i just need to specify a generic driver for a usb-to-serial converter, |
| 10:41.11 | Selveste1 | yang: yes that can be a problem then :P |
| 10:41.14 | \amethyst | ma3x: sorry, I don't know 'wireless-testing' |
| 10:41.18 | ma3x | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/iwlwifi/iwlwifi-2.6.git |
| 10:41.42 | \amethyst | Roland: the module is 'usbserial.ko', not 'usb-serial.o' |
| 10:42.12 | \amethyst | Roland: in the debian kernels, anyway. I don't know if it works generically or needs a low-level driver |
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| 10:45.21 | za3tout | hi im installig a FAI on debian and when i run fai-setup i had this message |
| 10:45.23 | za3tout | failure when configuring base pachages (5 occurences) and it abort and make this message ( no diversion 'any diversion of /sbin/discover-modeprob',none removed) |
| 10:45.36 | kombi | this lenny 64 hangs on pcspkr (or so), just blacklisted it but still two minutes timeout during boot. what might it be? |
| 10:46.44 | za3tout | could have you an idea about this |
| 10:49.31 | kombi | gonna reboot and try to get an error message.. |
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| 11:10.27 | kombi | what's with udevadm? seems to hinder boot for several minutes... |
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| 11:13.21 | kombi | *one |
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| 11:18.29 | boonyo | I don't suppose anyone here uses rsyslog with iptables? In iptables i've got <rule> -j LOG --log-prefix "LOG DROP: " and in rsyslog.d/iptables.conf I have a line :msg, startswith, "LOG DROP: " -/var/log/logfile |
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| 11:41.31 | Sentinella | hi all |
| 11:41.58 | Sentinella | why grub have problem whit raid 5 software sigh |
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| 11:42.59 | Newbie16 | Sentinella: /boot must be on a raid1, it cannot be on any other raid or encrypted device |
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| 11:43.33 | Rienzilla | hi. Should I be able to use pam_ldap and libnss_ldap on a host running lenny against an ldap server running etch? |
| 11:43.39 | Sentinella | ok try, thank |
| 11:44.00 | pyrohotdog | Can anyone assist me with configuring an intel 82830? |
| 11:44.23 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: just ask |
| 11:44.28 | pyrohotdog | I just want a 1024x768 resolution, don't need any accelerated graphics or anything. |
| 11:44.45 | pyrohotdog | Fresh install |
| 11:44.48 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: which version of debian? what does your xorg.conf look like ? |
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| 11:44.59 | abrotman | does it work if you specify with xrandr ? |
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| 11:45.38 | pyrohotdog | Debian 5. Xorg.conf is default, other than I added the driver "vesa" line |
| 11:45.52 | abrotman | why would you add vesa? why not use the intel driver? |
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| 11:46.06 | pyrohotdog | just "intel"? |
| 11:46.23 | abrotman | or just leave it blank .. the system should be able to figure it out |
| 11:47.01 | pyrohotdog | Blank it didn't work. After fresh install didn't get GDM. That's why I changed it to vesa. |
| 11:47.22 | abrotman | it should be smart enough to pick the intel driver on its own |
| 11:47.32 | pingouin | obviously... |
| 11:47.41 | pyrohotdog | "intel" didn't work, it just got a bizarre pattern. |
| 11:47.50 | pyrohotdog | instead of a picture. |
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| 11:48.13 | abrotman | the intel driver is the right one for your card |
| 11:48.48 | pyrohotdog | That's what I figured. But it doesn't work. I just get weird screen artifacts. Do I have to specify "intel828" or something? |
| 11:48.52 | pingouin | pyrohotdog: when you put "intel" what the /var/log/Xorg.0.log have to tell you ? |
| 11:49.06 | abrotman | it's just 'intel' |
| 11:49.31 | pingouin | maybe bug, as x has some actually |
| 11:49.41 | abrotman | what?! |
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| 11:50.34 | pyrohotdog | The warning line for the intel section says cannot allocate memory |
| 11:50.47 | pingouin | after a fresh debian lenny 502 , there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ , dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg create nothing also |
| 11:51.28 | pingouin | i had to copy an old "etch" xorg.conf, mixed with X -configure to build an usable xorg.conf |
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| 11:51.48 | craigevil | !pastebin |
| 11:51.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 11:53.25 | pyrohotdog | I can't pastebin. |
| 11:53.32 | pingouin | pyrohotdog: no other pci/pcie graphic card on the computer ? |
| 11:53.38 | craigevil | pyrohotdog: if it helps this is my xorg.conf > http://paste.debian.net/43389/ , did you install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 11:53.56 | pingouin | pyrohotdog: in the bios, the graphic setting tells to use the inboard chip ? and nothing else ? |
| 11:53.58 | pyrohotdog | It's a laptop. Dell Inspirion 2600 |
| 11:54.29 | pingouin | so... i got the answer i guess |
| 11:54.35 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: aptitude install xorg gnome gdm ? |
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| 11:55.15 | pyrohotdog | abrotman: why would I reinstall them? |
| 11:55.26 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: i'm asking if that's how you installed xorg/gnome |
| 11:55.54 | pingouin | craigevil: what is the Option "DontZap" ? |
| 11:55.58 | pyrohotdog | Oooh. No, this is a fresh install. Nothing done to it, hasn't even touched the internet yet. |
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| 11:56.32 | abrotman | pingouin: to kill ctrl-alt-bksp |
| 11:56.43 | Rienzilla | hmmm. my pam_ldap and libnss_ldap seems to have stopped working after I upgraded a system from etch to Lenny. getent passwd does not return the useraccounts in the (remote) ldap server, /var/lib/auth.log reports that it cannot reach the ldap server. However, if I tcpdump the network interface I don't see any packets going towards the ldap server. If I execute telnet <myldapserver> 389 I do see packets and the ldap server accepts the connection. Any ide |
| 11:56.59 | pingouin | ok abrotman thanks |
| 11:57.13 | diddy | Which kernel version does 5.02 use? |
| 11:57.20 | abrotman | Rienzilla: problem with name resolution? using dns? hosts? winbind? |
| 11:57.43 | Rienzilla | the ldap server is specified as an IP address. No winbind, samba or whatsoever is in place |
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| 11:58.09 | craigevil | diddy: 2.6.26 but 2.6.30 is in backports |
| 11:58.27 | diddy | craigevil, Thx |
| 11:58.27 | pingouin | craigevil: did you build the intel free drivers ? from intel website ? or it's those from debian ? |
| 11:58.55 | abrotman | the ones in debian should work |
| 11:59.07 | pyrohotdog | How do I had a 1024x768 resolution to my xorg.conf using the vesa driver? |
| 11:59.12 | craigevil | pingouin: debian but i am on sid, Installed: 2:2.8.0-2 |
| 11:59.16 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: lspci -nn | grep VGA .. what is the pciid (looks like xxxx:xxxx ) |
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| 11:59.53 | pyrohotdog | 8086:3577 |
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| 12:00.20 | pingouin | ok craigevil thanks |
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| 12:01.06 | RichiH | pyrohotdog: apt-get install pastebinit |
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| 12:01.16 | Rienzilla | is it possible that lenny doesn't want plain ldap connections anymore? |
| 12:01.20 | ik1ngz | How do I mount an NTFS filesystem without erasing the disk? |
| 12:01.48 | pyrohotdog | Can't. The only internet I have is one of those dumb 3G modems...which is what I'm talking to you on. |
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| 12:04.11 | Rienzilla | is it possible that lenny doesn't want plain ldap connections anymore? |
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| 12:07.56 | g00se | ik1ngz: why woud it 'erase the disk'? |
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| 12:11.39 | ik1ngz | I thought it did? |
| 12:12.33 | abrotman | Rienzilla: i use them, but not for auth |
| 12:12.49 | abrotman | Rienzilla: a possible version conflict ? |
| 12:13.24 | ik1ngz | abrotman: How do I mount an NTFS disk? |
| 12:13.32 | Rienzilla | possibly. The server is still on etch |
| 12:14.18 | Rienzilla | but, the upgraded client doesn't even seem to send packets on the wire. If I set uri ldap://my.ldap.server/ in the configuration file it complains that failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://10.170.1.1/: Invalid DN syntax. |
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| 12:15.07 | Rienzilla | ...but the config is unchanged... and adding ldaps://10.170.1.1/ will work - at least it will try to contact the ldap server - but the ldap server in question doesn't have ssl/tls configured |
| 12:15.27 | g00se | ik1ngz: No. man mount (-t ntfs) |
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| 12:16.44 | ik1ngz | I type "mount -t ntfs" |
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| 12:17.10 | abrotman | ik1ngz: read-only or read-write ? |
| 12:17.27 | abrotman | Rienzilla: does it work from the command line? |
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| 12:17.44 | Rienzilla | abrotman: an ldap query? |
| 12:17.49 | abrotman | sure |
| 12:18.43 | ik1ngz | abrotman: Read-write it's my other harddrive and it's NTFS mode came off an Windows XP system. |
| 12:19.01 | abrotman | !ntfs3g |
| 12:19.02 | dpkg | i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org etch> for instructions). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 12:19.15 | ik1ngz | I'd rather have somebody walk me through it. |
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| 12:21.08 | Rienzilla | yes |
| 12:21.10 | Rienzilla | it does |
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| 12:21.35 | Rienzilla | ldapsearch -b "base" -h hostname -x -D "binddn" -W |
| 12:21.38 | ik1ngz | abrotman: Can you tell me exactly how to do it? |
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| 12:22.40 | abrotman | ik1ngz: i don't use ntfs3g .. but i'd guess you istnall it and mount your ntfs drive using tha tfilestystem .. there's a link above on how to use it |
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| 12:22.55 | petemc | reading is hard |
| 12:23.04 | abrotman | Rienzilla: so it's just something with the ldap auth ? |
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| 12:23.42 | Rienzilla | I don't think it's authentication. It looks like libnss-ldap is refusing to connect without ssl/tls |
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| 12:27.43 | abrotman | Rienzilla: did you check the docs and the BTS? |
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| 12:28.21 | Rienzilla | i've been googling my ass off. I can't find a similar issue. And the config itself was not broken; it worked fine before the upgrade |
| 12:29.12 | abrotman | nothing in your logs? |
| 12:29.22 | Rienzilla | just Aug 5 14:13:28 rivella getent: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://10.170.1.1/: Invalid DN syntax |
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| 12:30.09 | Rienzilla | mmm |
| 12:30.11 | abrotman | that seems kind of important |
| 12:30.43 | Rienzilla | oof |
| 12:30.46 | Rienzilla | hold on |
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| 12:31.02 | boonyo | is it possible to specify multiple icmp-types in a rule on iptables? eg -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request,destination-unreachable,time-exceeded -j ACCEPT ? |
| 12:31.03 | Rienzilla | this might be another one of those stupid mistakes you read over a hundred times |
| 12:31.10 | cypr1nus | i've got a problem - i've got core2duo processor and I want to have 64bit system, which architecture is for me? ia64 or amd64? |
| 12:31.22 | abrotman | cypr1nus: i386 or amd64 |
| 12:31.27 | abrotman | Rienzilla: another? :) |
| 12:31.54 | cypr1nus | amd64 then |
| 12:32.08 | Rienzilla | abrotman: I get those once in a while :) |
| 12:32.09 | boonyo | isn't core2duo intel? |
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| 12:32.39 | Rienzilla | myeah got it. accidentally screwed up that line when editing the configfile |
| 12:32.50 | abrotman | boonyo: so ? amd64 is just the architecture name |
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| 12:33.27 | boonyo | i would have thought that amd64 would only be for amd 64 bit processors |
| 12:33.46 | abrotman | boonyo: would you think i386 wouldn't work for amd 32bit CPUs or Cyrix CPUs ? |
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| 12:34.01 | petemc | thats odd logic |
| 12:34.21 | boonyo | if i'm wrong then i'm wrong, thats just what i figured |
| 12:34.29 | abrotman | petemc: no way! |
| 12:34.34 | petemc | tis! |
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| 12:34.54 | groton | is there a way to replicate the current installed kernel in a bootable cd? using debian squeeze here |
| 12:35.12 | boonyo | so you're telling me if I have an intel core2duo I can run a sparc architecture install? |
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| 12:35.36 | petemc | boonyo: no, /msg dpkg amd64 for more info |
| 12:36.34 | boonyo | fair enough |
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| 12:39.59 | abrotman | petemc: if the 'i' stands for intel .. it's just as goofy |
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| 12:41.58 | Bad_Religion | i get sporadic 'no route to host' errors on a rather busy server sometimes spread out over weeks |
| 12:42.21 | diddy | Has anybody ever used easy vmx to create virtual machines to install Debian in ? |
| 12:42.22 | Bad_Religion | is there a way to inspect the NIC hardware or state to see if it could be hardware failure |
| 12:42.28 | ik1ngz | What's the command to list all harddrives? |
| 12:42.34 | abrotman | fuser -l |
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| 12:43.15 | ik1ngz | Wrong one? |
| 12:43.29 | abrotman | yes .. fdisk -l :) |
| 12:44.07 | ik1ngz | :) |
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| 12:45.40 | ik1ngz | This mounting isn't working so well |
| 12:46.59 | abrotman | why not? do you get an error? |
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| 12:50.59 | ik1ngz | Everybody! |
| 12:51.17 | ik1ngz | For future reference... use "disk manager" to mount hd's much easier. |
| 12:52.26 | ik1ngz | ^^ |
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| 12:53.37 | Titan8990 | IMO nothing could be easier than mount |
| 12:53.38 | kiddiez | hi all |
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| 12:54.03 | abrotman | Titan8990: probably a subjective thing |
| 12:54.25 | Titan8990 | abrotman, its an opinion, opinions are often subjective |
| 12:54.48 | ajavid | !seen enouf |
| 12:54.49 | dpkg | enouf <~enouf@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 48m 31s ago, saying: 'jm_: do you use autocutsel? have a peek at http://parcellite.sourceforge.net/?page_id=16 .. it's nice to have a right-click - select older cut/copy/paste selection, as i used to have using klipper - which was searchable too ;-) .. and yet, even having to '. |
| 12:55.20 | ajavid | autocutsel |
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| 12:57.54 | ajavid | very nice |
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| 13:00.20 | Titan8990 | abrotman, is that a donation cloak you have? |
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| 13:04.20 | brabo | oxay.. what does it mean when a process is started in BG with SIGHUP trapped? |
| 13:04.51 | azeem | brabo: why do you ask? |
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| 13:05.23 | brabo | azeem: because i would like to know what it means... |
| 13:05.41 | azeem | brabo: well, that question does not sound on topic here |
| 13:05.47 | azeem | maybe ask in a programming chan |
| 13:06.41 | brabo | why not? process control is an element of an os, no? |
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| 13:07.07 | brabo | and i don't want to use it for programming something either |
| 13:07.15 | azeem | brabo: it's not a support question |
| 13:07.30 | koollman | brabo: it's usually an indication of interrupted session, but that signal is also used for various other significations (like reloading configuration) |
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| 13:10.17 | brabo | ok koollman why would i start a process that way? what is the net effect of the trapped SIGHUp? |
| 13:11.38 | koollman | brabo: it just means the process received sighup from some other process. The default reaction to that is stopping. The message is probably something to let you know it did not stop but just received and ignored it |
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| 13:12.16 | koollman | you could start a 'process &' to put it in background, get its pid and do a kill -HUP pid |
| 13:12.19 | koollman | to see what it does |
| 13:13.23 | brabo | koollman: it's in a guide over process control, it states that you can 'process &' to put the process in the background and to trap SIGHUP, so what do they mean with the trapped sighup? |
| 13:14.12 | koollman | ah, ok |
| 13:14.29 | azeem | brabo: ask them |
| 13:14.34 | azeem | really, this is off-topic here |
| 13:15.18 | koollman | brabo: I'm not sure how to explain it simply. just go ahead and do some tests |
| 13:15.21 | brabo | well, it is a debian oriented guide, so sorry, i thought i could coin this here |
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| 13:16.02 | cusco | hi |
| 13:16.08 | cusco | I have a very very bad problem |
| 13:16.16 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 13:16.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:16.23 | cusco | I will.. hehe |
| 13:16.40 | cusco | I will start by showing this: http://pastebin.com/m6454e27d |
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| 13:17.16 | cusco | I had a computer running debian... it was in my old house, and after a long time I got it back. I had one partition for /home separated |
| 13:17.34 | cusco | that partition was inside an extended partition |
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| 13:18.36 | cusco | now, if I try to mount it, I get loads of errors like the ones in the pastebin |
| 13:18.55 | Titan8990 | did you try to fsck the partition? |
| 13:19.04 | cusco | ofcourse, those errors come allong when fscking |
| 13:19.10 | cusco | e2fsck shows: |
| 13:19.13 | abrotman | Titan8990: yes, why? |
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| 13:19.28 | Titan8990 | abrotman, just curious on why it was slightly different |
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| 13:19.49 | abrotman | Titan8990: when you donate, i think you can pick whatever you want .. i'm not picky :) |
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| 13:20.21 | Titan8990 | abrotman, are you a op here? |
| 13:20.38 | abrotman | so they tell me |
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| 13:20.59 | Titan8990 | should be, seems your in here more than anyone else |
| 13:21.27 | Titan8990 | cusco, honetly, that looks like a hardware failure to me but you might want to wait around to see if someone else has some ideas on where to proceed |
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| 13:22.24 | abrotman | bad cable? reseat the cable? failing drive? |
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| 13:22.39 | cusco | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/m2ac3814 |
| 13:22.45 | cusco | ok |
| 13:22.49 | cusco | Ill be righ back |
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| 13:24.02 | abrotman | cusco: regardless .. get a backup as soon as you can |
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| 13:26.14 | Titan8990 | cusco, are you just using backtrack for testing? |
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| 13:32.43 | Deagon | Hi everyone |
| 13:33.15 | Deagon | does anyone have any good system backup methods worth sharing? |
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| 13:34.09 | allure | Do I really need kerberos to authenticate my station to a win2k8 AD? |
| 13:34.16 | Deagon | particularly bootable backup methods? |
| 13:34.16 | Dassu | Deagon: Ok. |
| 13:34.26 | Dassu | Deagon: as a corporate solution or personal ? |
| 13:34.32 | Deagon | personal |
| 13:34.44 | Dassu | Deagon: either gmailfs or you could use gpsace |
| 13:34.57 | Deagon | failed update left my Aspire one unbootable and It takes ages to cinfigure from a fresh install. |
| 13:34.58 | Dassu | I have a automated script that uploads certain directories to gmail |
| 13:35.01 | Titan8990 | Deagon, rsync |
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| 13:35.19 | Titan8990 | Deagon, or an rsync wrapper such as rsnapshot |
| 13:35.21 | Dassu | Deagon: Those uploads are compatible with gpsace firefox plugin |
| 13:35.24 | Dassu | Deagon: wanna see it ? |
| 13:35.36 | Dassu | Just put cron to do it daily |
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| 13:36.18 | Deagon | I already backup my system to my win machine via the network, the downside is that it can only be restored when my debian netbook has an os |
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| 13:36.50 | Deagon | Dassu: sure, show me. |
| 13:37.39 | Titan8990 | Deagon, when backing up to non-linux partitions you need to keep in mind that UNIX perms WILL NOT be preserved on ntfs or fat |
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| 13:38.06 | Titan8990 | Deagon, so a full file backup to ntfs is fairly worthless, in that case you should tar the files first to preserve the perms |
| 13:38.32 | Deagon | I backup to an image (which I hope) preserves the perms |
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| 13:39.25 | Deagon | but I was looking on the net for ages for a method of backing up that will allow a complete backup to cd or dvd and will allow me to boot from that medium should the 'stuff' hit the fan |
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| 13:39.38 | valdyn | Deagon: you are looking for mondo |
| 13:39.51 | valdyn | !mondo |
| 13:39.52 | dpkg | Mondo Rescue, a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. Not in Lenny, third-party packages at ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/debian/5.0 (see mondorescue.sources.list). http://www.mondorescue.org/docs/mondorescue-howto.html#FAQ http://trac.mondorescue.org/wiki/FAQ http://www.mondorescue.org/ |
| 13:40.39 | Deagon | Thanks dpkg, I will have a look at it. |
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| 13:41.16 | Deagon | Thanks everyone |
| 13:41.27 | Dassu | Deagon: will take a moment. |
| 13:41.27 | Dassu | Deagon: found it |
| 13:41.27 | Dassu | You should test it with non-root first since it uses "rm" |
| 13:41.27 | maligor | mondo looks like it might be rather complex |
| 13:41.45 | valdyn | maligor: complex? like a webbrowser? |
| 13:42.02 | valdyn | Deagon: mondo is very easy to use |
| 13:42.04 | maligor | complex as in: you have to read the documents and use a brain :P |
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| 13:42.08 | valdyn | nah you dont |
| 13:42.18 | maligor | oh, nice, maybe I'll test it out too |
| 13:42.21 | ajavid | which part |
| 13:42.24 | ajavid | documentation or brain using? |
| 13:42.26 | valdyn | but I wouldnt feel save without trying a restore |
| 13:42.30 | Deagon | Yeah, my backup methods leave somewhat to be desired, I am used to just running seperate hdd's or partitions. One for OS and one for everything else. |
| 13:42.34 | Dassu | Deagon: http://pastebin.ca/1519194 |
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| 13:42.40 | Deagon | But that method is wasteful |
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| 13:43.16 | valdyn | mond has a curses interface, couldnt be much easier |
| 13:43.21 | Dassu | Deagon: How come ? O_o |
| 13:43.27 | maligor | except writing the interface :P |
| 13:43.35 | maligor | it's well named |
| 13:43.45 | Dassu | Deagon: You weren't talking to me :-) ok. |
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| 13:44.27 | Deagon | No, I was referring to my usual backup habits. |
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| 13:45.24 | Dassu | k. |
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| 13:46.05 | Dassu | Deagon: Bad qualities in that method: Little bit unprofessional, propably not accepted by google and only suitable for small files |
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| 13:46.20 | Deagon | Has anyone tried Bubakup? |
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| 13:47.19 | allure | what's the *easiest* way to login to AD while on Debian (as desktop)? |
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| 13:47.59 | Titan8990 | allure, you say that like there are tons of ways |
| 13:48.04 | Titan8990 | allure, samba + winbind |
| 13:48.07 | Deagon | I know it's a ubuntu tool, but hey isn't ubuntu debian based anyway? |
| 13:48.32 | allure | Titan8990: there is some different ways, like using kerberos =) |
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| 13:49.30 | Titan8990 | allure, well the question is kind of vague, you could use rdesktop.... |
| 13:50.12 | allure | Titan8990: I don't think rdesktop would actually login to AD, it would login to AD server, tho =D |
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| 13:51.07 | Titan8990 | allure, ah, but if the AD server is authenticating to itself, your logging in to AD :D |
| 13:51.34 | ewook | erhm. nah. |
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| 13:51.49 | ewook | there's still a localhost to authenticate against. |
| 13:51.56 | allure | Titan8990: I would be logged in, but not within my Debian desktop box =D |
| 13:52.06 | allure | exactly ewook |
| 13:52.32 | allure | hehehe |
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| 13:53.18 | Deagon | Nah, Mondo is definitely the solution. Thanks to whomever suggested it. |
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| 14:03.07 | owner | I just got a new usb memory stick (8 GB A-DATA), created a single primary msdos partition of the drive's full capacity (using gparted) and formatted it as fat32. After copying some 4+ GB of data, unmounting it and pluggin it into my xp box, I get the good old "drive is not formatted" message. Repartitioning, reformatting, copying the data again, unmounting and then plugging it back into the... |
| 14:03.09 | owner | ...same lenny box, I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/248013/ in my syslog, however the drive doesn't want to mount with "There is probably no media in the drive". Furthermore, fdisk doesn't see any partitions whatsoever (http://paste.ubuntu.com/248016/). The same happens when I work the drive using fdisk/mkfs instead of gparted. Do you have any suggestions for me? Is there a way to test the... |
| 14:03.10 | owner | ...drive isn't corrupt? |
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| 14:07.54 | honschu | How to set the dependencies of a packet to 0? |
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| 14:08.10 | gerel | hey, I have a little issue with debian etch, a few days ago the kernel/initramfs started detecting my ati radeon card and auto-loads the radeonfb module, I want to avoid this, and have my 80x25 vga console back. tried kernel parameters video=radeonfb:off, and even renamed the module to 'no-radeonfb.ko' so it seems the module is inside the initramfs file. I have no clue how to stop it. |
| 14:09.40 | honschu | gerel: I think I did this a while ago by changing /etc/modules.conf |
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| 14:10.13 | gerel | honschu: hmm, edited how ? mine has 'loop' and nothing else. |
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| 14:14.46 | owner | gerel: I would try blacklisting the module. |
| 14:15.20 | g00se | owner: Try using cfdisk on it |
| 14:15.43 | weihua | in debain squeeze, when i plug in the reticle, the net socket's power is off |
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| 14:16.03 | gerel | owner: not working either i created a file /etc/modules.d/radeon with 'blacklist radeonfb' and nothing. |
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| 14:16.14 | weihua | did everyone meet it |
| 14:16.29 | gerel | owner: the module seems to be loaded before that. |
| 14:17.20 | cusco | abrotman: I cann see all the files using testdisk. how do I back them up? |
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| 14:17.38 | cusco | Titan8990: I booted from backtrack, yes |
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| 14:17.40 | abrotman | copy them to a known good disk/tape/CD ? |
| 14:17.52 | cusco | abrotman: I cannot mount hte partition |
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| 14:17.59 | cusco | what tool would you recomend? |
| 14:18.06 | cusco | that bypasses those errors |
| 14:18.09 | abrotman | you can try to use dd to copy the whole partition as an image |
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| 14:18.30 | cusco | by the way, when testdisk, those errors only come up when I ebnter the lost+found folder |
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| 14:18.37 | cusco | else I can browse everything |
| 14:18.52 | cusco | abrotman: could I use partimage? |
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| 14:21.09 | allure | "Failed to join domain: failed to lookup DC info for domain 'DOMAIN' over rpc: Must change password" - How do I change the password? |
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| 14:22.58 | grandpapadot | Hey guys, I have a debian install USB stick, works great. I want to basically use this boot stick to get a disk dump of a hard drive, is that possible? |
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| 14:24.05 | owner | g00se: I'm getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/248029/... If I remember right, I don't need an DOS MBR to have xp recognize the partition table, right? As a partition, I went with 0C, is there another fat32 option I'm missing? |
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| 14:24.26 | ssm | grandpapadot: yes. You can boot from the boot stick, use dd to read from harddrive, pipe to "nc", which you can use to contact "nc" on another machine, and "dd" from that to a disk image |
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| 14:24.35 | FabParma | I'd like to create a router that has the capability setup a chain of anonymous WAN proxies. Have you idea if there is something alredy made (pacages or others)? |
| 14:24.46 | g00se | owner: do you mean to make it bootable though? |
| 14:24.52 | ssm | grandpapadot: if you need encryption, pipe through ssh instead |
| 14:25.51 | owner | g00se: not at all, cfdisk just said that even though i haven't set the boot flag... |
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| 14:26.51 | g00se | owner: It's looking ok so far |
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| 14:27.11 | grandpapadot | ssm: Thanks for the help, basically, we have a bunch of little embedded devices with built-in hard drives. I simply want to get an image of the drive with the usb-install key. I know I could probably go through the hassle of building a "Live" usb debian install, but I was thinking since DD is available on the install bin dir that there would be someway to just dump /dev/sda from the computer. |
| 14:27.57 | allure | How do I change my AD password using Debian as Desktop? |
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| 14:28.19 | owner | grandpapadot: what do you want to dump the contents to? |
| 14:28.29 | grandpapadot | owner: The usb key ... |
| 14:28.42 | grandpapadot | owner: that way I can use it to write the image to additional systems. |
| 14:28.46 | ssm | grandpapadot: building a live usb stick isn't a hassle anymore - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 14:32.40 | g00se | owner: Write that and then do something like sudo mkfs.msdos -F 32 -name fat32usb /dev/sda1 |
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| 14:33.53 | g00se | owner: Better sudo mkdosfs -F 32 -n fat32usb /dev/sda1 |
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| 14:34.32 | boonyo | anyone here use rsyslog? i've set -LOG to some iptables rules and everyime thats matched the logged rules show up on all my virtual terminals, plus the logs i've setup through /etc/rsyslog.d/iptables.conf. anyone know what level/priority iptables normally logs at? |
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| 14:35.38 | boonyo | I suppose I can just set a log level in my iptables rules that hopefully isn't used by anything else and remove all entries of that level from rsyslog.conf |
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| 14:42.25 | boonyo | basically I want to stop matched LOG iptables rules from popping up in every virtual terminal i have open |
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| 14:47.03 | owner | g00se: works good so far with < 100MB on the same lenny box. I'm now transferring some more data and will see. Is there any reason gparted would perform differently? |
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| 14:49.38 | g00se | owner: Not sure really. I've just been doing some partitioning on a 4GB stick and found parted flaky, but got on better with cfdisk |
| 14:51.19 | neoark | anyone know which file is read when you type help |
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| 14:52.02 | ldp | I just installed a DNS server on a local system to cache domain names (pdnsd) |
| 14:52.23 | ldp | When i dig a domain from this system, on ssh, it works perfectly. |
| 14:52.34 | ldp | But when I try to dig my server from my desktop, the connection times out. |
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| 14:54.44 | themill | neoark: "/usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/bash.mo" at a guess |
| 14:55.06 | owner | ldp: is the server setup to listen on your local network? what ports? |
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| 14:55.19 | ldp | It probably is. |
| 14:55.28 | ldp | Because the daemon probably unblocks the ports. |
| 14:55.28 | boonyo | does anyone know why even if I turn off rsyslog/syslog I still get matching iptables log rules still showing up on the console? its getting really annoying |
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| 14:55.35 | ldp | What port to DNSs use? |
| 14:55.53 | petemc | 53 |
| 14:55.53 | abrotman | 53 |
| 14:55.56 | petemc | i win! |
| 14:55.57 | owner | ldp: did you read man/config? |
| 14:56.00 | abrotman | ldp: /etc/services |
| 14:56.02 | abrotman | petemc: not here |
| 14:56.06 | RichiH | ldp:lmgtfy.com/q=dns%20port |
| 14:56.07 | petemc | really? |
| 14:56.25 | owner | abrotman: here he was :) |
| 14:56.27 | ldp | Never mind it out. |
| 14:56.32 | ldp | Thanks, anyways. :) |
| 14:56.36 | abrotman | owner: no cheesesteaks for you |
| 14:56.47 | Imran-UK | if "ldp" stands for linux documentation project then you should know that already! |
| 14:56.53 | RichiH | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dns+port |
| 14:57.21 | abrotman | Imran-UK: tldp, not ldp |
| 14:57.22 | Imran-UK | boonyo, prolly cause netfilter uses the syslog facility |
| 14:57.28 | abrotman | Imran-UK: normally anyways |
| 14:57.34 | Imran-UK | abrotman, i know, it was a joke |
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| 14:58.54 | boonyo | Imran-UK, i don't understand, I don't have syslog running |
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| 15:03.07 | boonyo | as far as I can tell, no logging facility is running. a sudo ps aux | grep log only shows [xfslogd/0] |
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| 15:04.38 | dashs | In IceWeasel how can I change the handling of AVI files? |
| 15:04.43 | Imran-UK | boonyo, pgrep -fl syslog to be sure |
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| 15:05.40 | boonyo | nope, that shows nothing either |
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| 15:06.50 | Imran-UK | boonyo, i'd man iptables and look for the logging options - should be a verbosity level or summat |
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| 15:08.02 | darkhamm | how can i check an ntfs partition? |
| 15:08.23 | maligor | you mean fsck? |
| 15:09.44 | raphi | darkhamm: try ntfsfix from the package 'ntfsprogs'. |
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| 15:09.59 | ranix | darkhamm: you need to run windows chkdsk or scandisk |
| 15:10.11 | ranix | there's no linux utility to perform a filesystem check on ntfs |
| 15:10.46 | darkhamm | fsck.ntfs? |
| 15:11.25 | eshat | I am on sid/KDE4.3/Intel GM965 and experience whole system crashes somtetimes, when I start a 3D app,most of the time it just works, any idea? |
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| 15:12.19 | Imran-UK | darkhamm, is it on an external hdd? |
| 15:13.17 | owner | g00se: fishy stuff.. as soon as I transfer 4GB on it, the partition table won't be recognized... any tips on how to test what's wrong? do you know any quality usb drives i can replace this crap with? i need one that can be formatted/parted many times... |
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| 15:13.33 | darkhamm | Imran-UK: not, it is in my main hd |
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| 15:13.52 | darkhamm | Imran-UK: it's a partition of my disk |
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| 15:14.23 | Imran-UK | darkhamm, boot into windows and schedule a scandisk/chkdisk on next boot |
| 15:14.36 | g00se | owner: i don't know enough about partitioning to advise much. There are some gotchas with sizes. What about ntfs? |
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| 15:16.39 | owner | g00se: i need to transfer data to an xp box and it seems to have trouble with ntfs. my last one did anyway.... i'll give it a try and will post my results... |
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| 15:17.09 | Titan8990 | owner, what kind of problems? |
| 15:17.31 | boonyo | if anyone else here has that problem with matched iptables LOG rules constantly dumping to the console, its fixed by uncommenting the kernel.printk line in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 15:17.33 | Imran-UK | owner, iv had good reliability with the wd mybook series of usb hdds |
| 15:17.38 | boonyo | yay |
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| 15:18.04 | owner | Imran-UK: i need a solid state/ flash drive only... |
| 15:18.06 | Titan8990 | Imran-UK, i had a job that RMAed 3 of them, each one was a replacement for another |
| 15:18.35 | Titan8990 | Imran-UK, they were the NAS series ones though |
| 15:18.44 | owner | Titan8990: The trouble I'm having now or why i don't use ntfs for a flash drive? |
| 15:18.48 | Imran-UK | Titan8990, shrug, ymmv, iv been running 2 for enarly 3 years constantly on with my slug. non-nas |
| 15:19.21 | owner | Imran-UK: he's right. i wouldn't go for that either. |
| 15:19.33 | ldp | Ugh, turns out, I haven't fixed this issue. |
| 15:19.48 | ldp | I nmapped and found that 53 is bound to dns, and that it's open. |
| 15:19.54 | ldp | I still don't get why I can't connect to it. :( |
| 15:20.17 | Titan8990 | owner, to avoid the 4gb file limit of FAT? |
| 15:20.43 | Titan8990 | owner, reasons for not: 255 absolute path limitation, lack of UNIX permissions |
| 15:20.57 | Titan8990 | owner, but FAT has the same issues anyways |
| 15:21.52 | owner | Titan8990: that's only a filesize limit, isn't it? or can i not have a single partition larger than 4gb? |
| 15:22.01 | g00se | owner: if you've got network to it, you could always use a samba client and copy to a share |
| 15:22.12 | owner | Titan8990: we're talking fat32 |
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| 15:23.38 | owner | g00se: that's what i do primarily but it's slower... i just wanted to transfer a whole season of entourage for my wife to watch and as i'm struggling with my pendrive, she's on s02 streaming it... |
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| 15:25.07 | eshat | Hi all, my whole system (debian sid) crashes sometimes, when I start a 3D app.Intel X3000 and using Kde 4.3. Any advice ? |
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| 15:25.27 | owner | eshat: anything in your logs? |
| 15:25.42 | eshat | owner: nope, nothing that I had found |
| 15:26.01 | eshat | I checked syslog and Xorg.1.log |
| 15:26.23 | owner | eshat: can you describe the behavior? |
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| 15:26.55 | ajavid | owner, its kde 4.3 beta |
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| 15:27.03 | ajavid | or 4.3 stable now |
| 15:27.14 | ajavid | still its kde3, no tellin what is buggy |
| 15:27.17 | eshat | Owner: when I start a 3D app, the screen blinks white first and most times the app just runs, but sometimes the whole screen turns white or the app window becomes blue, and I have to hard reset... |
| 15:27.34 | ajavid | eshat, try disable desktop effects |
| 15:27.39 | eshat | ajavid: I did |
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| 15:27.47 | ajavid | hm |
| 15:27.58 | eshat | ajavid: when enabling them, the system freezes also once a day... |
| 15:28.04 | ajavid | I see |
| 15:28.14 | ajavid | squeeze or sid" |
| 15:28.15 | ajavid | ? |
| 15:28.17 | eshat | ajavid: maybe to do with the intel driver ? |
| 15:28.19 | eshat | sid |
| 15:28.23 | ajavid | good luck. |
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| 15:29.56 | Gent | I'm getting XSLTProcessor not found with php5 on Debian Lenny, and I've installed and reinstalled php5-xsl, any ideas? |
| 15:30.17 | ajavid | Gent, read in /usr/share/doc/ somewhere |
| 15:30.26 | ajavid | do you need to do something in order to enable it? |
| 15:30.38 | ajavid | like enable it in the php.ini config (just guessing) |
| 15:30.47 | Imran-UK | Gent, if phpinfo(); through an apache cant find it, restart apache |
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| 15:31.02 | Gent | it add to /etc/php5/conf.d from what I can tell.. |
| 15:31.07 | Gent | phpinfo does see it |
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| 15:34.27 | Gent | shows XSL and EXSLT enabled... |
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| 15:34.41 | Gent | and I can see the xsl.ini in the top list of loaded configs... |
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| 15:38.17 | Titan8990 | owner, bit late, is a 4gb file size limit |
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| 15:41.24 | themill | Gent: so how are you testing whether the xslt is working? |
| 15:42.01 | Gent | new XSLTProcessor(); |
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| 15:42.12 | Gent | it actually seemed to... stop working, as it was working before |
| 15:43.35 | Gent | nevermind, I think I got it back |
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| 15:44.38 | Gent | purged and reinstalled all of the php stuff |
| 15:44.40 | Gent | weird |
| 15:45.40 | owner | Titan8990: Yeah, well my 8GB pendrive works just fine until i fill it up with 4+GB. Everything seems fine, until I unmount it, then it will never recognize filesystem again... |
| 15:46.16 | owner | Titan8990: I'm not trying ntfs... |
| 15:46.32 | owner | Titan8990: sorry, I meant NOW trying ntfs.. |
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| 15:48.03 | Gent | thanks anyhow |
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| 15:52.29 | raphi | is there a chance to go a source-code-tree and list the libraries needed for compiling? |
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| 16:05.21 | Evet | any syscp user? |
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| 16:07.37 | boonyo | is w3m installed in a base install? |
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| 16:09.19 | Titan8990 | boonyo, i have it and have not installed it manually |
| 16:09.39 | raphi | boonyo: in a fresh debootstrapped debian, no |
| 16:09.40 | Titan8990 | boonyo, and i also don't have a full DE |
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| 16:11.13 | boonyo | yeah I found that a little odd. I did a base install and later installed lynx but at the same time found that w3m was installed too. no X here either, and I installed from a dvd |
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| 16:12.00 | n3td3v | HI |
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| 16:12.26 | boxxertrumps | hmm, my display is flickering, like it's trying to run the scren saveer as soon as i stop using the mouse. would using intel's 915GM/GMS/910GML video drivers help at all? |
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| 16:16.43 | n3td3v | Hi |
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| 16:21.48 | ajavid | !greet n3td3v |
| 16:21.48 | dpkg | Howdy, n3td3v |
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| 16:23.01 | n3td3v | Hi |
| 16:23.25 | allure | lol... n3td3v =D |
| 16:23.48 | allure | fd soap all over again? |
| 16:23.51 | Titan8990 | allure, he did that in 3 of the 6 channels im in |
| 16:24.02 | allure | haha =D |
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| 16:29.01 | allure | when configuring kerberos with samba to join a win2k8 AD, who would be the KDC? |
| 16:29.53 | simonrvn | um, the krb5 server which has been set up as the master in samba... ask #samba |
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| 16:31.30 | allure | ok, thanks simonrvn |
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| 16:38.46 | keyJ | Hi @all |
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| 16:39.16 | keyJ | I have a debian-box running at home and was wondering if any of you had some advice on upgrading |
| 16:39.26 | abrotman | upgrading what to what ? |
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| 16:39.43 | keyJ | sorry, upgrading from 4.x to 5.0.2 |
| 16:39.53 | abrotman | !tell keyj about etch->lenny |
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| 16:41.50 | keyJ | @abrotman: Thanks, that is a start. My question aimed more at possible problems (e.g. compatibility-problems etc.) |
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| 16:42.13 | abrotman | the release notes usually discuss possible issues |
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| 16:44.06 | n3td3v | SUPSUP |
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| 16:44.21 | allure | fd boy |
| 16:44.25 | allure | =) |
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| 16:45.21 | abrotman | n3td3v: do you have a debian question? |
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| 16:45.55 | BoltPower21 | someone please clean this up for me. dmesg is a command that displays kernel message right? These messages are in the a buffer in memory? But the /var/log/dmesg is just a copy of with buffer after boot up? Am i correct? |
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| 16:46.10 | abrotman | !dmesg |
| 16:46.11 | dpkg | dmesg is, like, print or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents. |
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| 16:47.00 | Cain | Hi, if i use a chrooted root (like /test) as the root for testing (i already have apache installed in /) when i install apache again in /test do i have to stop the one in / ? (still confused about that :x) |
| 16:47.14 | BoltPower21 | and /var/log/dmesg is not writen to until the next bootup? |
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| 16:47.16 | n3td3v | hi abrotman |
| 16:47.20 | n3td3v | sup |
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| 16:47.38 | n3td3v | hi nipple |
| 16:47.41 | abrotman | n3td3v: do you have a debian question? |
| 16:47.48 | n3td3v | hi testmill |
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| 16:49.00 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:49.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:49.03 | n3td3v | no...why? |
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| 16:49.16 | abrotman | n3td3v: then please be quiet |
| 16:49.31 | n3td3v | spanish isn't my native language sir. |
| 16:49.41 | n3td3v | i'm just located in .es atm |
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| 16:50.10 | themill | Your communication ability indicated that English was probably not your native language either, hence the guess at Spanish. |
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| 16:50.40 | fxiny | powers the wow signal array detector up |
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| 16:51.02 | allure | for(;;)flames > /dev/null =D |
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| 16:51.12 | n3td3v | abrotman, please don |
| 16:51.25 | n3td3v | *don't tell me to be quite |
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| 16:51.47 | n3td3v | lulz |
| 16:52.00 | petemc | n3td3v: he could force you to be quiet if you prefer |
| 16:52.03 | stew | lets please just keep it on-topic |
| 16:52.29 | n3td3v | petemc, who are you to speak to me, huh? |
| 16:52.41 | n3td3v | do I know you? |
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| 16:52.44 | n3td3v | No, i don |
| 16:52.49 | simonrvn | n3td3v: a human being |
| 16:52.49 | n3td3v | 't |
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| 16:53.25 | stew | guys, this isn't a social channel, please lets just keep the conversation to debian end-user support, thanks |
| 16:53.44 | n3td3v | like stew said: keep it on-topic, please! |
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| 16:56.45 | n3td3v | Hey! |
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| 16:57.16 | stew | n3td3v: yes? |
| 16:57.40 | n3td3v | how are you? |
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| 16:57.51 | stew | n3td3v: again, this isn't a social channel |
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| 16:57.59 | azeem | n3td3v: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
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| 17:02.56 | Irishmanluke | I'm having wireless problems. I found out earlier in sysrescCd that in order for eth1 (my wireless card) to work eth0 had to be down. When I take eth0 down it automatically comes back up |
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| 17:15.50 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 17:16.03 | metalfan_ | can anybody tell me if the default php5 on debian has "short tags" enabled? |
| 17:16.07 | metalfan_ | cant find it on google |
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| 17:16.55 | themill | You can download the package yourself and see: short_open_tag = On |
| 17:17.03 | cabezza | hi people |
| 17:17.16 | seria-mau | are all videos at http://meetings-archive.debian.net offline? |
| 17:17.41 | seria-mau | i tried to watch some debconf9 videos, but the server can't find them |
| 17:17.42 | cabezza | i need some help with a infrared remote control in a hp dv2621la notebook |
| 17:17.44 | Irishmanluke | I'm having wireless problems. I found out earlier in sysrescCd that in order for eth1 (my wireless card) to work eth0 had to be down. When I take eth0 down it automatically comes back up |
| 17:18.26 | cabezza | someone could help me? |
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| 17:18.43 | metalfan_ | themill, is it a configure directive? |
| 17:19.07 | themill | that's from the php.ini config file |
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| 17:20.11 | Titan8990 | metalfan_, yes |
| 17:20.58 | metalfan_ | ah, thx |
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| 17:22.17 | Kyrterz | hi |
| 17:22.23 | Kyrterz | how can i set max connection per ip? |
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| 17:25.14 | varlon | hi, why doesn't work function 'Get screenshot' in synaptic? always return No screenshot |
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| 17:28.16 | themill | varlon: istr that's a pretty new feature so there aren't many yet. See http://screenshots.debian.net/ for the ones that are there and how you can contribute |
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| 17:28.32 | McL0VIN | howdy folks |
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| 17:29.18 | varlon | themill, thanks, I'm allready looking at screenshots.debian.net. and I found what I want to see, but in synaptic it's doesn't work |
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| 17:31.28 | themill | varlon: wfm |
| 17:32.22 | varlon | ? |
| 17:32.22 | varlon | I'm looking for warzone |
| 17:32.29 | varlon | for example |
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| 17:35.17 | themill | Odd.. I tried two packages off the front page of "newest screenshots" and they both worked. warzone doesn't work for me though :( |
| 17:35.51 | ranix | maybe it's missing or corrupt |
| 17:36.05 | ranix | themill: Abort/Retry/Ignore? |
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| 17:41.34 | ribasushi | hah |
| 17:41.41 | ribasushi | just read the two-year release cycle |
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| 17:41.56 | ribasushi | is this set in stone, or are there some voices to abolish this? |
| 17:41.57 | racecar56 | kdenlive always seems to crash rendering when i use H.264 but i have everything i need for it, using debian squeeze and kdenlive 0.7.5 |
| 17:42.07 | varlon | hmmm, I don't know what happend, but now I can see screenshots from synaptic. But before about 2-3 weeks it's was impassible |
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| 17:42.39 | neldoreth | hello, is there a possability to see which packages the tasks in tasksel contain during installation (tasksel gets called automatically)? |
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| 17:42.47 | datacrusher | hi everyone, i got a partition here that claims got no space left |
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| 17:42.53 | datacrusher | but all my files are only 6gb |
| 17:42.58 | eekee | bugger binary distros. The stuff I do is too crazy for 'em |
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| 17:43.01 | datacrusher | the partition is 75gb large... how do i fix this? |
| 17:43.06 | datacrusher | im on debian etch |
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| 17:44.47 | Titan8990 | datacrusher, you should only ask in one channel at time |
| 17:44.59 | Titan8990 | datacrusher, if you can't get an answer in one channel, then you can move to another |
| 17:45.17 | Titan8990 | datacrusher, this will avoid someone wasting their time helping when you are already being assisted in another channel |
| 17:45.27 | valdyn | datacrusher: show the output of "df -i" for that partition |
| 17:45.32 | ranix | datacrusher: what does df show |
| 17:45.53 | datacrusher | sorry titan |
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| 17:46.15 | greycat | datacrusher: perhaps some file is open but deleted. In which case, you must kill the process that still has it open. |
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| 17:46.49 | datacrusher | i used du, and it showed many .trash folder files |
| 17:46.53 | datacrusher | i think is it |
| 17:47.10 | ranix | datacrusher: df, not du |
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| 17:47.25 | greycat | both are useful |
| 17:47.30 | ranix | datacrusher: du is for disk usage, it shows what folders are using the disk. df is for showing disk freespace |
| 17:48.19 | datacrusher | yeah.. df showed the 0bytes left. on du it showed MANY other files besides the one i use |
| 17:48.27 | datacrusher | i got about 7 folders only on this part |
| 17:48.34 | ranix | I don't know what a .trash file is all about |
| 17:48.35 | datacrusher | how do i use ls to show the hidden folders? |
| 17:48.39 | greycat | ls -a |
| 17:48.40 | ranix | ls -a |
| 17:48.49 | datacrusher | its a .trash folder, it sort of a recycle bin |
| 17:49.30 | ranix | datacrusher: I'm not familiar with a .trash folder, at all. Is it specific to a type of filesystem? |
| 17:49.42 | ranix | datacrusher: or, did you configure it explicitly somehow in samba or something? |
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| 17:49.44 | datacrusher | well, im on debian etch, usint ext3 |
| 17:49.50 | Titan8990 | .trash is what some desktop evirnments put deleted items |
| 17:49.59 | datacrusher | its a simple install, i just deleted via nautilus |
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| 17:50.01 | Titan8990 | gnome for examples |
| 17:50.03 | themill | DEs like KDE and Gnome stick deleted files in there |
| 17:50.04 | \amethyst | ranix: it's used by GNOME, KDE, and other xdg-compliant desktop environments |
| 17:50.09 | ranix | ah, ok |
| 17:50.24 | datacrusher | i got a recycle bin icon on the desktop, but it says its clean |
| 17:50.51 | ranix | datacrusher: you could inspect your "cd /; du | less" output for folders that are far too huge for your own good |
| 17:51.03 | themill | datacrusher: what DE do you use? |
| 17:51.10 | ranix | datacrusher: I've had programs I wrote sloppily suddenly generate 100 gigabytes of logs in /tmp |
| 17:51.17 | \amethyst | perhaps some of the trash belongs to a different user? (hence you wouldn't be able to remove it, and might not even be able to see it) |
| 17:52.12 | datacrusher | i use a xfs /tmp partition |
| 17:52.12 | datacrusher | its self cleaned with a crhon script |
| 17:52.12 | datacrusher | well, i got some files here i wanna se the sizes, and used gksudo with nautilus |
| 17:52.12 | ranix | datacrusher: do you own this physical box, or is it a vps or something |
| 17:52.18 | datacrusher | what iv deleted there went to this hidden trash folder |
| 17:52.33 | datacrusher | its a simple box, debian with samba server |
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| 17:53.07 | ranix | datacrusher: I recommend cding to your root filesystem and doing a du -h | less as root and inspecting the output |
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| 17:53.11 | themill | datacrusher: some of the DEs have changed their "trash" location from ~/.Trash to ~/.local/share/Trash. If that happened then that directory will be left behind but the DE won't look in it for full/empty information for your trash any more |
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| 17:54.43 | odla_ | hi i have two laptops. one laptop runs debian and the other one runs mac os x. i'd like to use my debian laptop to run R and i'd like to do this remotely from my mac laptop. what program would i use to do this and what service would i need to enable on my debian laptop? |
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| 17:55.02 | Titan8990 | wth is "R"? |
| 17:55.07 | odla_ | !R |
| 17:55.08 | dpkg | R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. To install: aptitude install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. http://www.r-project.org/ And it's "are", not "r". |
| 17:55.29 | greycat | !S |
| 17:55.29 | dpkg | methinks s is a lot of things. It used to say .s is for ASM files, btw :D |
| 17:55.33 | cypr1nus | hello, is there any difference in installing debian squeeze and upgrading from lenny to squeeze? |
| 17:55.46 | greycat | cypr1nus: some of the configuration might be different |
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| 17:56.03 | greycat | I didn't know squeeze was directly installable... |
| 17:56.16 | valdyn | the squeeze installer is usually broken i think |
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| 17:56.38 | cypr1nus | i want to have squeeze but it's damn uninstalable! |
| 17:56.50 | valdyn | cypr1nus: that is what im saying |
| 17:56.54 | racecar56 | i have squeeze :P |
| 17:56.57 | valdyn | cypr1nus: install lenny, upgrade to squeeze |
| 17:57.00 | racecar56 | squeeze owbs |
| 17:57.08 | racecar56 | *owns |
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| 17:57.13 | cypr1nus | ic |
| 17:57.14 | themill | think of it as a test. If you can't figure out how to do this, you shouldn't be. |
| 17:57.28 | odla_ | would ssh be how i would do this? |
| 17:57.48 | valdyn | odla_: why cant you run R on mac os x ? |
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| 17:58.29 | odla_ | valdyn: i can but i have a large data file and R takes hours to run especially when running complex models and i'd like to submit the job to my fast debian machine |
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| 17:58.33 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:58.41 | valdyn | odla_: ssh then |
| 17:58.44 | icedwater | Is R better than matlab or octave? |
| 17:58.51 | dondelelcaro | icedwater: it's different |
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| 17:58.54 | valdyn | its something entirely different |
| 17:59.00 | datacrusher | nice point themill |
| 17:59.06 | datacrusher | ill check this out as well |
| 17:59.17 | datacrusher | but, ill simpli NOT delete more files from the gui |
| 17:59.20 | datacrusher | huge mistake |
| 17:59.27 | dondelelcaro | odla_: but in any event, you can easily do that using ssh, or similar |
| 17:59.31 | odla_ | valdyn: i don't know anything about ssh ... so i guess i was wondering if that's what i should do or if there is another way |
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| 17:59.37 | odla_ | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 17:59.43 | odla_ | i'll look up ssh then |
| 17:59.44 | odla_ | thanks |
| 17:59.47 | valdyn | odla_: you dont need to 'know' much about ssh |
| 17:59.54 | odla_ | ok ;) |
| 17:59.56 | valdyn | odla_: you need to know how to use a terminal |
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| 18:00.31 | themill | datacrusher: it's not a mistake... it's a way of avoiding mistakes. In most of the file managers, you have the option to "delete permanently" vs "delete" (sometimes hold down Shift+delete). You can use this to bypass your Trash. But only do that if you know you never make mistakes... |
| 18:00.46 | valdyn | odla_: and since R is a programming language and probably just some terminal commands, ssh does not add much at all that you need to know |
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| 18:00.58 | datacrusher | yes... actually, that came with an issue i didnt checked. |
| 18:01.00 | ajnewbold | I'm new to Debian, and signing up for a VPS I have two choices: Etch or Lenny. Is there a clear advantage of one over another? |
| 18:01.08 | datacrusher | the samba shares, got no way of backing up |
| 18:01.08 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: well, it's quite a bit more, actually |
| 18:01.18 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: since it does plotting and a bunch of other things |
| 18:01.20 | datacrusher | ill research something about making a samba recycle bin for the users |
| 18:01.20 | valdyn | ajnewbold: yea, lenny is still supported properly |
| 18:01.22 | icedwater | dondelelcaro: valdyn: I've asked dpkg about it, the impression I got was it's something like MATLAB. Care to elaborate, guys, please? |
| 18:01.29 | datacrusher | is there any build up tool for this? |
| 18:01.37 | valdyn | icedwater: wikipedia can do that |
| 18:01.39 | dondelelcaro | icedwater: it's a statistical language |
| 18:01.44 | y3it221_klce | Hello!! when I connect a Joystick to the system its identified as /dev/input/event1.... Is it valid? I was not able to read the axis and buttons. |
| 18:01.45 | icedwater | Can't you also do plotting in MATLAB ... |
| 18:01.49 | icedwater | valdyn: True :P |
| 18:01.54 | valdyn | icedwater: you can do plotting in assembler |
| 18:01.59 | valdyn | icedwater: thats hardly the point |
| 18:02.04 | icedwater | Yeah, what is, then? |
| 18:02.07 | ajnewbold | valdyn: thank you |
| 18:02.22 | dondelelcaro | icedwater: if you're not ploting or doing statistical analysis, it's probably not something that you're interested in. The wikipedia article is useful, and you can see the slides from my talk at Debconf if you want. |
| 18:02.37 | icedwater | OK, I'll look up the Wiki. :) |
| 18:02.49 | odla_ | valdyn: yup i know how to do that |
| 18:02.49 | odla_ | just didn't know what the best tool would be to login remotely as i've never done that |
| 18:03.22 | ranix | datacrusher: what do you mean, no way of backing up? |
| 18:03.27 | ranix | datacrusher: fix that immediately!! |
| 18:03.41 | y3it221_klce | How to find the name of a USB device in /dev |
| 18:03.42 | valdyn | odla_: theres no alternative to ssh |
| 18:03.47 | valdyn | odla_: there is no need for one |
| 18:03.52 | cypr1nus | ok, so what's the smallest iso and the fastest way to install lenny? what do I have to download (i've seen couple of ways) |
| 18:03.55 | ajnewbold | valdyn: related question --- between Ubuntu and Debian for a VPS, is there a clear advantage of one over the other? |
| 18:04.00 | datacrusher | i make dayli backups, but is kinda insecure.. if some user made a file, and deleted it, theres no rollback |
| 18:04.01 | valdyn | ajnewbold: no |
| 18:04.05 | ranix | cypr1nus: use the Lenny net install image |
| 18:04.16 | datacrusher | ranix, is this samba specific? how do u do there? |
| 18:04.37 | ranix | datacrusher: you can find some guides if you search for "samba trash" |
| 18:04.47 | ranix | datacrusher: you can configure trash in the smb.conf |
| 18:05.00 | cypr1nus | does debian-502-amd64-bussinesscard.iso enough? |
| 18:05.10 | cypr1nus | to get to some installer? |
| 18:05.14 | ranix | datacrusher: and for backing up, just configure your partition to rsync somewhere and unmount/backup the rsync location |
| 18:05.26 | ranix | datacrusher: just don't forget to occasionally make sure you're not backing up nonsense |
| 18:05.40 | odla_ | ok thanks valdyn |
| 18:05.41 | Ivenutor | any word on kde 4.3 for debian? |
| 18:05.51 | valdyn | !wir |
| 18:05.51 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh> |
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| 18:06.58 | datacrusher | well, is this way here..: http://pastebin.com/d2eeb6097 |
| 18:07.00 | datacrusher | ranix |
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| 18:07.25 | datacrusher | the H folder gots almost all the files the user needs. all about documents, spreadsheets and so on |
| 18:07.38 | datacrusher | i make daily backups to dvdrw, and on dvdr each month last day. |
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| 18:08.01 | ranix | that's definintely an smb.conf alright |
| 18:08.10 | ranix | that should be fine for backups |
| 18:08.39 | ranix | datacrusher: you can configure smb.conf for H to have a trash/recycle bin if you like |
| 18:09.20 | ranix | so all files deleted by users go there rather than being deleted, and you purge the trash manually or with your backup script after they've been backed up for that month |
| 18:11.33 | Kyrterz2 | hi |
| 18:11.49 | Kyrterz2 | how can i get using apt-get lighttpd the latest version? |
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| 18:11.55 | Kyrterz2 | seems i getting 1.4.19.. not 1.4.23 |
| 18:12.06 | datacrusher | yeah ranix .. iv went to a vsf tutorial, ill implement it here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=155763 |
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| 18:12.24 | themill | Kyrterz2: lenny? |
| 18:12.40 | Kyrterz2 | yes |
| 18:12.43 | Kyrterz2 | debian lenny |
| 18:12.45 | themill | dpkg: tell Kyrterz2 about stable |
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| 18:13.39 | Kyrterz2 | themill: i know it's not really stable.. |
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| 18:13.53 | Kyrterz2 | but the only source i can use is 1.4.23 seems it fixed my bugs |
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| 18:14.16 | themill | Kyrterz2: 1.4.23 will *never* be in lenny. But you can try making your own package for it. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 18:15.59 | seria-mau | what's the baobab pendant for kde4 again? |
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| 18:19.35 | exn | guys, help ! how to disable formating in vim ? If I will paste something it tried to format it adds spaces for each new line, broke syntax and makes text ugly . how to disable any autoformating in it |
| 18:20.13 | greycat | exn: ":set paste" |
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| 18:20.55 | yac | oahi, where should one set default window manager? |
| 18:20.55 | exn | greycat: wow man !! thank you ! |
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| 18:21.22 | Kyrterz2 | themill: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/lighttpd i try insert to deb http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/lighttpd lighttpd |
| 18:21.36 | Kyrterz2 | E: Malformed line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) |
| 18:21.42 | Kyrterz2 | it's giving me error on apt-get |
| 18:21.56 | EmleyMoor | Kyrter2: You need to get the source and build it |
| 18:21.58 | themill | Kyrterz2: (a) that's not the right syntax for the sources.list and (b) that's unlikely to work out well for you in the log run. |
| 18:22.12 | themill | dpkg: tell Kyrterz2 about ssb |
| 18:22.22 | Kyrterz2 | themill: i've tell |
| 18:22.40 | Kyrterz2 | themill: where can i find sid? |
| 18:22.45 | EmleyMoor | It may be called a simple sid backport but it works just as well from squeeze |
| 18:23.08 | themill | Although seeing as the squeeze/sid package FTBFS under lenny, this is perhaps a moot point. |
| 18:23.31 | Kyrterz2 | i'm blur with this.. can guide me? |
| 18:24.32 | themill | Kyrterz2: no, sorry. It's time I went home and had dinner. Others are around and will help, however. |
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| 18:25.02 | themill | (But it's going to be difficult since it doesn't build easily... there's no going to be anything "simple" about this backport) |
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| 18:25.54 | hisam | Kyrterz2:try downloading a .deb package and then install it |
| 18:27.40 | hark | hisam: what about the dependencies? |
| 18:28.56 | pickcoder | is 2.6.28 going to be skipped? |
| 18:29.05 | pickcoder | I only see .26 and .30 in sid |
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| 18:29.10 | hisam | hark:take note of the dependencies if any and download those deb too and then install |
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| 18:29.18 | EmleyMoor | pickcoder: I would think so |
| 18:29.32 | pickcoder | well hell |
| 18:29.43 | pickcoder | I need .28 and it's been "stable" for a while now |
| 18:29.55 | EmleyMoor | pickcoder: Why .28? |
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| 18:30.16 | pickcoder | it includes fax board detection patches and serial I/O patches for Mainpine IQExpress |
| 18:30.24 | EmleyMoor | Doesn't .30? |
| 18:30.31 | pickcoder | right now I'm stuck on Fedora b/c of the patches |
| 18:30.39 | pickcoder | probably, but I can't wait that long |
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| 18:30.56 | foobar | My life is so miserable now that bitchx is gone :( What other good ncurses clients are there? |
| 18:30.58 | pickcoder | I was hoping .28 would pop into squeeze soon |
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| 18:31.12 | greycat | foobar: irssi is good |
| 18:31.23 | EmleyMoor | Well, .28 will not be coming to lenny - and will probably not make it to squeeze, though .30 might |
| 18:31.58 | pickcoder | <hard place>pickcoder<rock> |
| 18:32.06 | EmleyMoor | .30 may also be backported |
| 18:32.18 | pickcoder | not yet probably |
| 18:32.23 | pickcoder | looks |
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| 18:32.49 | pickcoder | \o/ |
| 18:33.17 | Lns | what happened to bitchx? |
| 18:33.19 | pickcoder | now.. do I have the guts to take down a pimary fax server and swap O/S's |
| 18:33.51 | stew | Lns: it had lots of security problems that nobody was fixing, especially since it was abandoned upstream. anytime somoene tried to fix one, they found 3 more |
| 18:34.12 | Lns | :( |
| 18:34.18 | Lns | that was such a beloved client |
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| 18:34.39 | pickcoder | Lns: so take the project over and fix the bugs. :) |
| 18:34.51 | greycat | Most people who can spell didn't love it. |
| 18:35.05 | EmleyMoor | BitchX was awful! |
| 18:35.05 | Calvin | hi all, under debian5 im running php script that genarate pie chart. to that i need php5-GD i install it as apt-get install php5-gd and restarted lighttpd but still no effect picture not genearated. any help please? |
| 18:37.15 | stew | !greycat on bitchx |
| 18:37.15 | dpkg | greycat on bitchx is probably <greycat> maddog: take a pimply 14-year-old script kiddie. Put him in a blender. Puree. Pour into a shallow tray, let it solidify, put it in the CD-ROM drive, mount it, and then compile it. You have BitchX. <greycat> maddog: when you've outgrown saying "D00d!" and "That's so gay!" then move up to irssi. |
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| 18:37.34 | greycat | Man, that's an old factoid... |
| 18:37.49 | EmleyMoor | strokes greycat |
| 18:37.49 | stew | still works! |
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| 18:38.14 | stew | !greycatsnack |
| 18:38.14 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a chocolate chip cookie for all the hard work |
| 18:38.22 | greycat | Bot claims it was created in 2007 but that's nowhere near accurate. |
| 18:38.23 | pickcoder | D000d! |
| 18:38.41 | pickcoder | you got a Dell! |
| 18:38.51 | asg | greycat: iirc, I created it many years ago |
| 18:39.05 | stew | greycat: it was probably recreated from logs when we realized it had gone missing |
| 18:39.32 | greycat | yup, continuity issues for sure |
| 18:39.51 | greycat | That wasn't its original name either, though I don't remember what the exact name was. |
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| 18:42.04 | seria-mau | someone here who's using dolphin from unstable? (kde 4.3.0) |
| 18:42.18 | seria-mau | it crashes here, can someone reproduce this? |
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| 18:43.26 | abrotman | you might do better asking #debian-kde on OFTC |
| 18:43.46 | streuner | argh, this firefox..., some day i will get rid of it ;-) |
| 18:44.30 | streuner | streuner 4595 6.1 6.0 283416 126044 tty1 Dl 20:28 0:59 /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a iceweasel |
| 18:44.39 | streuner | wth doing this crap atm? |
| 18:44.51 | ranix | what are you smoking streuner |
| 18:45.08 | streuner | right, its my own fault |
| 18:45.20 | abrotman | streuner: you have to reboot the firefox OS once a day |
| 18:45.46 | ranix | abrotman: I bound f8 in XFCE4 to "killall firefox-bin" |
| 18:45.46 | greycat | or more. |
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| 18:46.07 | greycat | streuner: how do you get it down to only 126 MB? |
| 18:46.40 | greycat | ranix: you might consider moving from killall to pkill some day |
| 18:46.54 | streuner | greycat: well, i upgraded to 2GB RAM (512MB before), it works almost stable since 3.0.9 |
| 18:46.54 | greycat | pkill works on more systems, and killall on solaris is death. |
| 18:47.18 | ranix | greycat: will cdo |
| 18:47.25 | ranix | c? |
| 18:47.30 | ranix | gtfo of here c |
| 18:47.43 | \amethyst | even on debian, killall is in psmisc (an optional package) while pkill is in procps (a required package) |
| 18:48.13 | streuner | greycat: 3.0.9 was really good vs. older versions |
| 18:48.44 | \amethyst | (though iceweasel depends on psmisc, so if you have iceweasel you have killall; convenient, that :) |
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| 18:49.30 | Lns | greycat: heh.. well i liked how they at least used ansi-type art. Reminiscent of the old BBS days |
| 18:49.35 | ranix | I only have used killall for sloppy reasons so far anyway |
| 18:49.52 | ranix | not surprised to find it's less than correct to killall firefox repeatedly with a hotkey |
| 18:49.56 | ranix | ;) |
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| 18:51.26 | ranix | I thought the project fixed that sloppy malloc bug? What's firefox doing using 100-200 megs of ram? |
| 18:51.56 | asg | ranix: it replaced sloppy malloc with insatiable appetite to open a shitload of tabs |
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| 18:52.09 | greycat | ranix: I wish it only used 100-200 MB. |
| 18:52.27 | greycat | Currently at 345 / 251 |
| 18:52.30 | maligor | I wish adobe flash went away |
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| 18:53.20 | ranix | asg, greycat: I just don't understand how it's possible to use that much ram. I know they used to fetch memory for cairo surfaces by requesting consecutive blocks, and wouldn't reuse freed ram if the chunk was smaller than the new surface. I thought fixing that would fix the gluttony |
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| 18:54.34 | greycat | I don't pretend to understand the internals of it. |
| 18:54.51 | greycat | I'm using a few extensions, though, including greasemonkey, and that probably hurts. |
| 18:55.01 | ranix | ah yeah I suppose |
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| 18:55.17 | ranix | my only notable extensions are adblock and flashblock though |
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| 18:57.00 | streuner | well, some people have more than 20 extensions installed, that makes it not that stable anymore... |
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| 18:57.26 | streuner | has 2 installed, maybe i should get rid of that first... |
| 18:57.27 | DevilChaos | hi i have a problem ive been trying to dual boot and stuffed my grub on the mbr i need a fresh install any suggestions? |
| 18:58.03 | DevilChaos | i have done the command find /boot/grub/stage1 and i get error 15 |
| 18:59.16 | fxiny | ranix: i use dnsmasq banner_add_hosts instead of adblock |
| 19:00.16 | hisam | DevilChaos:Y do u need a frsh install?? |
| 19:00.28 | ranix | fxiny: I don't like screwing with DNS |
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| 19:01.13 | fxiny | ranix: it plays fine with the s* news sites i browse daily |
| 19:01.16 | DevilChaos | hisam because i can get it to to do anything |
| 19:01.20 | c0m1 | I wonder, if you build ur own kernel, what is the smallest u can make it |
| 19:01.23 | ranix | and adblock actually removes the element from the DOM instead of just blocking the request |
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| 19:01.59 | Titan8990 | c0m1, my best is about 1.8mb |
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| 19:02.35 | c0m1 | Titan8990: that using 2.6? |
| 19:03.00 | Titan8990 | c0m1, 2.6.27 |
| 19:03.45 | Titan8990 | c0m1, but it looks like the debian binary is smaller anyways: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.5M 2009-06-21 05:20 vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 19:04.37 | fxiny | ranix: but i like the squid-adzapper combo ;) |
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| 19:05.06 | _Kuba | Okay, if my question is stupid just tell me and I will remain silent :P Is kde 5:50 the kde 4.3? |
| 19:05.35 | azeem | _Kuba: 5.50? |
| 19:05.41 | azeem | eh, 5:50 |
| 19:05.41 | _Kuba | yep |
| 19:05.44 | azeem | what is that? |
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| 19:05.53 | _Kuba | version of the package |
| 19:05.56 | azeem | where? |
| 19:06.01 | _Kuba | in apt-cache |
| 19:06.04 | azeem | what package? |
| 19:06.09 | \amethyst | azeem: the Debian version of the kde-full, kde-minimal, etc metapackages |
| 19:06.10 | _Kuba | kde-minimal eg. |
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| 19:06.23 | azeem | _Kuba: that's a meta package |
| 19:06.27 | ranix | haha I like how this guy did it, fxiny. http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/CatchRequestsToAdServers he set up a webserver that responds to all requests with a 1x1 transparent gif pixel, and forwarded the blacklisted dnses to it |
| 19:06.31 | \amethyst | _Kuba: looking at the dependencies, 5:50 only requires 4.2.2 or greater |
| 19:06.33 | azeem | check the depends to see what it, eh, depends on |
| 19:06.54 | fxiny | ranix: lemme see it . i did it with apache |
| 19:06.56 | \amethyst | _Kuba: you'll have to check the individual dependencies to see whether they have a 4.3 version available |
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| 19:07.14 | _Kuba | \amethyst: Erm |
| 19:07.29 | \amethyst | _Kuba: some (e.g. kdeadmin) do, some (e.g. kdenetwork) do not yet |
| 19:07.47 | Meiki | Hi. I'm setting up extra IPs on a Debian 5.0 server. The output from 'ifconfig' is at http://pastebin.com/m31094143. What is the easiest way to add new IPs? I currently have 91.204.208.86 added by default, but can add 91.204.208.87, 91.204.208.88, 91.204.208.89 and 91.204.208.90 too |
| 19:07.49 | fxiny | ranix: OpenSlug ? it sounds funny , reading ... |
| 19:07.51 | Meiki | What would be the command to use? |
| 19:08.05 | vasuvi | O |
| 19:08.11 | ranix | fxiny: I think that's just the firmware for his particular router, the NSLu2 |
| 19:08.26 | \amethyst | _Kuba: that is, if you install kde-full in unstable right now, you'll get a mix of kde 4.3 and kde 4.2 packages |
| 19:08.53 | _Kuba | Ahh, now I get it, \amethyst |
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| 19:09.11 | fxiny | ranix: yes :) |
| 19:09.12 | ranix | I think the NSLu2 is actually a Cisco network storage device |
| 19:09.24 | \amethyst | _Kuba: mostly kde 4.3 it appears (only a few of the kde packages are still at 4.2.4 in sid) |
| 19:09.27 | Meiki | Can someone help me? |
| 19:09.42 | ranix | !ask |
| 19:09.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:09.52 | Meiki | ranix: I have already asked ^^ |
| 19:09.56 | ranix | aah |
| 19:10.02 | ranix | sorry I was busy having an off-topic conversation |
| 19:10.03 | ranix | lol |
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| 19:10.26 | vasuvi | I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze from the hard drive, using the procedure described at http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch05s01.html#boot-initrd ; unfortunately, it always stops doing anything right after setting the console to use Unicode. I say "stops doing anything" instead of "hangs" because ctrl-alt-del still cleanly reboots. Am I doing something wrong or are the current D-I nighties borked? |
| 19:10.28 | ranix | !tell Meiki about interfaces |
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| 19:10.59 | ranix | Meiki: do you have multiple network interfaces? |
| 19:11.03 | Meiki | ranix: Can you tell me the command (easiest if possible, I'm a newbie) to add an IP? |
| 19:11.05 | ranix | cards? |
| 19:11.07 | Meiki | ranix: the ifconfig output is above |
| 19:11.43 | \amethyst | !ipalias > Meiki |
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| 19:11.52 | \amethyst | !tell Meiki about ipalias |
| 19:12.05 | Meiki | 0_o |
| 19:12.06 | Meiki | ? |
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| 19:12.14 | \amethyst | Meiki: if you look at the examples file there, it will show you how to set them up |
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| 19:13.18 | Meiki | I already have one added, isn't there a simple command just to add another? |
| 19:13.27 | \amethyst | Meiki: usually you just need to add (to /etc/network/interfaces) extra stanzas for eth0:1, eth0:2 etc with just the 'address', 'network', and 'netmask' entries |
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| 19:13.33 | slayton | is there any documentation on how to package a single python script into a debian package? |
| 19:13.33 | J_P | Hi all |
| 19:13.42 | JPT | hi |
| 19:13.43 | \amethyst | Meiki: no, in debian /etc/network/interfaces is managed by editing it by hand |
| 19:14.25 | J_P | people, I have a file of 40GB. I would like read line 1040145. how is possible to do this without open all file? |
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| 19:14.37 | \amethyst | Meiki: you can use something like ifconfig eth0:1 99.99.99.99 netmask 255.255.255.0 but that won't be persistent |
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| 19:14.50 | greycat | J_P: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/011 -- How can I print the n'th line of a file? |
| 19:15.05 | fxiny | ranix: the apache adzapper style "ad blocked" solution i tryed is here -> http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Blocking_ad_servers_with_dnsmasq |
| 19:15.08 | Meiki | \amethyst: meaning? after reboot its gone? |
| 19:15.16 | \amethyst | J_P: but it's not possible without first reading the previous 1040144 lines |
| 19:15.17 | allure | J_P: *not* the best solution, but you can cat -n | grep line |
| 19:15.26 | \amethyst | Meiki: yes |
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| 19:15.36 | allure | J_P: but like I said, it's an horrible solution to this problem =) |
| 19:15.37 | \amethyst | Meiki: or even after taking down the main eth0 interface, I believe |
| 19:16.28 | Meiki | \amethyst: ah kinda pointless then |
| 19:16.33 | Meiki | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/m8c8bef0 |
| 19:16.43 | Meiki | \amethyst: will that work? highlighted lines are new ones i've added |
| 19:16.51 | \amethyst | Meiki: no, you'll need something like: |
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| 19:17.56 | Meiki | \amethyst: can u give me an idea, edit my pastebin or something? |
| 19:18.48 | \amethyst | Meiki: http://pastebin.com/m4eef8aac |
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| 19:19.41 | \amethyst | Meiki: I *think* it works with 'allow-hotplug'; if not you might have to change that to 'auto' instead |
| 19:20.10 | Meiki | \amethyst: sure thing, thank you |
| 19:20.11 | \amethyst | Meiki: I guess technically you don't need the 'network' lines as long as you have the 'netmask' lines |
| 19:20.24 | Meiki | \amethyst: does it reload automatically, or do you need to manually reload the conf? |
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| 19:21.13 | \amethyst | Meiki: you need to do something like ifup --allow hotplug |
| 19:21.33 | \amethyst | Meiki: (if they were 'auto', ifup -a would work) |
| 19:22.13 | \amethyst | Meiki: hm, or maybe it's ifup --allow hotplug -a |
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| 19:22.43 | Meiki | \amethyst: :\ |
| 19:23.21 | Kyrterz2 | hi which ftp are best match with debian lenny? proftpd? |
| 19:23.24 | Kyrterz2 | any suggest? |
| 19:23.34 | Meiki | krabe: openssh-server? |
| 19:23.36 | \amethyst | Meiki: or ifup eth0:1 eth0:2 eth0:3 eth0:4 I guess |
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| 19:23.43 | Meiki | \amethyst: all will work? |
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| 19:24.13 | \amethyst | Meiki: The last (specifying the interfaces) will definitely work |
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| 19:24.37 | \amethyst | Meiki: I'm not sure about --allow hotplug -a ; just --allow hotplug or just -a probably won't work |
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| 19:25.33 | \amethyst | Meiki: I do seem to remember someone here who had problems with long boot times with lots of interfaces (something like a few hundred) |
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| 19:25.57 | Meiki | \amethyst: don't most people have numerous IPs though? |
| 19:25.58 | Meiki | 0_o |
| 19:26.01 | \amethyst | Meiki: lots of aliases I mean; but since you only have five, the impact should be minimal |
| 19:26.08 | \amethyst | Meiki: 'most people'? |
| 19:26.14 | Meiki | \amethyst: a lot of server admins? |
| 19:26.15 | \amethyst | Meiki: web hosting providers, maybe |
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| 19:26.37 | Meiki | thanks for your help \amethyst |
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| 19:26.41 | Meiki | really appreciated! |
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| 19:27.23 | \amethyst | Meiki: there are workarounds for that (e.g. explicitly doing ifup eth0:1 etc early in the boot process), but it's kind of hackish and probably shouldn't be done unless necessary |
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| 19:28.43 | Meiki | \amethyst: understood, i think this will work okay |
| 19:28.45 | Meiki | \amethyst: thanks! |
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| 19:32.14 | jaggz | can I zoom out text (decrease font size) in konquerer? |
| 19:32.55 | jaggz | it'll zoom icons.. whoopie ;) |
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| 19:37.52 | hisam | my debian has slowed down over the course of time |
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| 19:38.39 | hisam | any tips to make it as fast when i first installed |
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| 19:39.33 | greycat | what part is slow? |
| 19:39.38 | xand | use nt |
| 19:39.38 | xand | p |
| 19:40.20 | hisam | openning new applications is slow |
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| 19:40.26 | avu | xand, haha |
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| 19:40.49 | greycat | hisam: how much RAM? |
| 19:40.52 | hisam | its a pain if you have more than 2 programs running |
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| 19:41.19 | hisam | yupp my RAM is on a lower side |
| 19:41.19 | michlemken | just finished an upgrade from lenny to squeeze - lost synaptic - is there anything new ? |
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| 19:41.24 | hisam | only 256 mb |
| 19:41.36 | dondelelcaro | uh... you'd be hard pressed to have a system running with less than around 100 processes running |
| 19:41.38 | greycat | if you're running multiple programs, you probably want more RAM |
| 19:42.00 | greycat | dondelelcaro: clearly he meant "user-visible GUI apps" |
| 19:42.15 | dondelelcaro | greycat: I've no clue what those are. ;-) |
| 19:42.28 | greycat | especially if one of them is firefox, gnome, or KDE |
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| 19:43.15 | dondelelcaro | hisam: but anyway, you're best off getting more ram if you can or using programs which are slightly more frugal with memory if possible |
| 19:43.16 | hisam | but this used to be more smooth with a fresh debian install |
| 19:43.34 | greycat | were you running the same applications then? same version of debian? |
| 19:43.58 | hisam | no i recently upgraded to lenny from etch |
| 19:44.12 | hisam | but still it was the same |
| 19:44.14 | greycat | newer versions of applications often use a lot more memory |
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| 19:44.37 | hisam | i mean once i had upgraded it was smooth for some days |
| 19:44.49 | hisam | and then it started slowing down |
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| 19:47.37 | asg | linhis: open up a terminal and see if top(1) shows anything eating a lot of cpu. Also, check /var/log/syslog to see if there are nasty disk IO errors. |
| 19:47.42 | Teratogen` | hi |
| 19:47.50 | jorgp | anyone try to use jigdo to get this weeks testing images? i tried to get cd1 and cd2, jigdo downloads all the files, while it does that it says that it found 0 of 1195 files needed by template. |
| 19:48.19 | michlemken | ... got it back |
| 19:48.26 | jorgp | i downloaded the template files 2 times |
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| 19:50.56 | tomoyuki28jp | What's the equivalent file with /etc/hosts for debian? |
| 19:51.15 | asg | tomoyuki28jp: /etc/hosts |
| 19:51.44 | tomoyuki28jp | asg: oh really. there are no such file on my system. |
| 19:52.04 | asg | linhis: that shows resident memory of a process. Please don't /msg me and keep it in channel so you can benefit from the insight of others. |
| 19:52.06 | greycat | You must have deleted it, then. Go ahead and put it back. |
| 19:52.11 | asg | tomoyuki28jp: touch /etc/hosts |
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| 19:53.53 | asg | tomoyuki28jp: the hosts(5) manpage has more info |
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| 19:54.07 | tomoyuki28jp | asg: thanks a lot! |
| 19:54.36 | tomoyuki28jp | weired.. My debian in on Xen VPS. That might be the reason? |
| 19:55.05 | asg | tomoyuki28jp: yes, that could be the reason though I don't recall our xen instances doing that. |
| 19:55.12 | danielsh_ | I'm trying to update my system, but aptitude says that the new debian-keyring/debian-archive-keyring packages are from an untrusted source. how can I make it trust them? |
| 19:55.21 | tomoyuki28jp | asg: oh really, thanks! |
| 19:55.25 | xand | tomoyuki28jp: look in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 19:55.33 | themill | danielsh_: /msg dpkg new archive key |
| 19:55.34 | tomoyuki28jp | xand: thanks, i will. |
| 19:55.36 | xand | if it's not mentioned there it's not used |
| 19:55.55 | danielsh_ | themill: thanks, doing that. |
| 19:55.56 | xand | hosts: files |
| 19:55.57 | xand | I think |
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| 20:00.00 | greycat | set -- $mystring |
| 20:00.05 | greycat | mischannel, sorry |
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| 20:01.24 | abrotman | greycat: but thanks for the tip! |
| 20:02.42 | syslq78 | What is the point of linux for every user creating the group with the same name? |
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| 20:02.55 | asg | syslq78: security |
| 20:02.59 | abrotman | didn't you ask that last week? |
| 20:03.11 | syslq78 | abrotman, no? |
| 20:03.25 | syslq78 | abrotman, looked it up today |
| 20:03.32 | abrotman | must have been someone else |
| 20:03.34 | syslq78 | asg how do you mean that? |
| 20:03.42 | syslq78 | abrotman, yeah |
| 20:04.27 | asg | syslq78: it used to be that most *nix systems used a group like 'users' for each user but had bad default umasks set so people would create files unintentionally that other users could read. |
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| 20:05.03 | greycat | you mean write to? |
| 20:05.18 | syslq78 | I mean how does having 1user=1group make system more secure, I thought point of groups is having container for users that allow you to manage arbitrary number of users with one permission set which is inherited |
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| 20:05.28 | asg | greycat: or write |
| 20:05.32 | syslq78 | from group that is |
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| 20:05.54 | asg | syslq78: it makes it more secure by preventing users from themselves |
| 20:05.55 | gihad | Hello, I have a Radeon 4830 with the latest proprietary driver. When I use Compiz, video playback is very poor and so is video recording... What should I check for ? (Debian testing) |
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| 20:07.53 | asg | syslq78: creating groups is still done for times when it is needed. |
| 20:08.37 | syslq78 | asg, yes I understand that but I still don understand why isnt there users group |
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| 20:09.53 | asg | syslq78: if you want one, add one. On most systems, this is a concept of the group-hug-everyone-love-everyone-else mentality of the 60's and 70's and has been abandoned in recent times. |
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| 20:11.25 | greycat | Right, couldn't have a culture or a community based on sharing freely. |
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| 20:11.46 | asg | greycat: you can but it has to be intentional, not default |
| 20:12.04 | Titan8990 | asg, i believe he was making a reference to the open source community.... |
| 20:12.29 | dclarke | can anyone clarify which CD to download for install onto a PowerPC machine? Do I use debian-502-powerpc-CD-1.iso or debian-update-5.0.2-powerpc-CD-1.iso at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/powerpc/iso-cd/ ?? |
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| 20:13.06 | greycat | Titan8990: yes, and also the original university-based unix culture that asg was deriding |
| 20:13.07 | Titan8990 | dclarke, the one that doesn't say update |
| 20:13.16 | dclarke | okay, I was unsure |
| 20:13.19 | dclarke | thank you |
| 20:13.24 | asg | greycat: It was a joke, not derision. |
| 20:13.31 | Titan8990 | dclarke, you may find the netinst better |
| 20:13.34 | dclarke | I hope that is bootable ... and away I go |
| 20:13.41 | Titan8990 | dclarke, less maint such as upgrading after installation |
| 20:13.49 | dclarke | I'll need the ability to format the disk and create partitions |
| 20:13.49 | karrotx | dclarke: you install the one that sasy mac osx |
| 20:13.51 | karrotx | :) |
| 20:13.58 | Titan8990 | dclarke, netinst has all that |
| 20:14.11 | Titan8990 | dclarke, exactly the same only it uses the internet as the media to install from instead of the cd |
| 20:15.31 | dclarke | okay, I was not going ot install the whole OS anyways, just enough to compile GCC and a few things |
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| 20:16.01 | c0m1 | \exit |
| 20:16.06 | c0m1 | oops |
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| 20:21.25 | J_P | How I set in bash to change language result? LC_LAN=EN command ? |
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| 20:21.51 | greycat | !locales |
| 20:21.51 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. |
| 20:21.55 | themill | dpkg: tell J_P about localised errors |
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| 20:22.00 | greycat | hmm. that doesn't point to the wiki page. |
| 20:22.55 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:23.21 | greycat | J_P: there's some more detail on http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 20:23.33 | gihad | Do I lose much by installing a Debian i386 instead of amd64 on a machine with a 64bit processor ? |
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| 20:23.52 | abrotman | gihad: depends what the system is going to do |
| 20:24.01 | JPT | i don't know desktop applications that can use 64bit and are faster then |
| 20:24.35 | JPT | but some database-servers or similar stuff would have improved performance.. |
| 20:25.18 | J_P | greycat: and themill thanks |
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| 20:26.50 | greycat | For a desktop box, i386 is probably better, because desktop boxes often want to run really bizarre things. |
| 20:27.01 | greycat | And some of those things might not work or be available on amd64. |
| 20:27.15 | owner_ | g00se & Titan8990: So, I have officially killed my pendrive when formatting it ntfs. it got stuck at 27% and never recovered. I had to kill the mkfs process and that was it. now i get "Buffer I/O error on device sda" right after pluggin it in... It might have been corrupt way before I did this and I just didn't know it... That POS was only a month old.. Won't be buying another A-DATA, I guess. |
| 20:27.19 | gihad | greycat, Yes, that's what I recently found out |
| 20:27.25 | ranix | some meaning Adobe products |
| 20:27.35 | ranix | I haven't heard of anyone else having problems with amd64 |
| 20:27.35 | greycat | Hardly limited to just one company.... |
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| 20:28.14 | ranix | anything open can be compiled with ia32-libs, right greycat? |
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| 20:29.02 | greycat | I don't know; the fact that something called "ia32-libs" even exists at all should tell you something. |
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| 20:29.45 | ranix | gihad: in my opinion, you should use amd64 if you have more than 3 gigs of ram and don't worry about the problems until you run into them, if you run into them |
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| 20:30.02 | ranix | gihad: if you have less than 3 gigs of ram, use 32 bit |
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| 20:31.32 | giwe | my /var/lib/dpkg/status looks corrupt. How can I fix it? |
| 20:31.38 | kaston | guys, i have a problem with dante server (sockd); even though I set up a method to none it doesn't work with authorization. What can be a problem? |
| 20:31.53 | Titan8990 | owner_, write zeros the whole drive and try again |
| 20:32.01 | kaston | I meant without authorization |
| 20:32.16 | Titan8990 | owner_, and for the future: kingston data travelers and corsair voyagers are excellent choices |
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| 20:32.31 | gihad | ranix, I installed amd64 and had several problems, it was horrible. I switch to i386 and everything worked fine |
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| 20:32.50 | gihad | but I do have more than 3gigas of ram, oops... I guess I don't anymore |
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| 20:34.30 | owner_ | Titan8990: I don't think that's going to happen, since I have no handle to write to. (/dev/sda isn't there) |
| 20:35.27 | owner_ | Titan8990: http://paste.ubuntu.com/248232/ |
| 20:36.03 | Titan8990 | owner_, yeah but dd doesn't need to read the partition table or anything like that |
| 20:36.17 | Titan8990 | owner_, but I see what you are saying, hopefully not too late to RMA |
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| 20:37.10 | raphi | giwe: how do you know that it's corrupt? any message from somewhere? |
| 20:38.05 | owner_ | Titan8990: No idea... Rubber Manufacturers Association? |
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| 20:39.37 | Titan8990 | owner_, Return merchandise authorization |
| 20:39.45 | ribasushi | owner_: it's more like raging middle-eastern assassins |
| 20:39.48 | Titan8990 | owner_, common term for sending a product back |
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| 20:40.40 | ribasushi | so here is a question about the 2 year release cycle |
| 20:41.11 | ribasushi | will this eventually mean that the gap between two consecutive versions will be huge and the upgrade will be hundreds of megabytes in size |
| 20:41.22 | ribasushi | or there is a plan for reasonable point releases during the 2 years |
| 20:41.23 | ribasushi | ? |
| 20:41.48 | greycat | Basically, every package you have will be upgraded when the next stable release occurs. |
| 20:42.01 | greycat | If you have hundreds of megs of packages installed, then it'll be hundreds of megs of download. |
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| 20:42.38 | ribasushi | so there is no "incremental" branch, short of testing |
| 20:43.25 | owner_ | Titan8990: ha, i've never done that.... don't really have the time to bother. the Czech Republic ain't quite got the Best Buy kinda places to go yell at people. The one time i tried in UK, maxell reps told me that there's NO warranty because their tech has reported "unsupported use by modifying the drive's partition table"... guess i'll just drop a few bucks and save me the nerves. Thanks... |
| 20:43.27 | owner_ | ...for your help though, I only wish I could know what exactly happened during the ntfs format.. Any ideas? |
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| 20:44.54 | Bsims | Any one have any experence with the gigabyte ga-ma770t-ud3p motherboard it uses the AMD 770 and AMD SB710 chipsets |
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| 20:45.42 | giwe | raphi: yes, the corruption message came from apt/dpkg |
| 20:46.03 | giwe | raphi: I think I know what might had been wrong. |
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| 20:46.13 | ribasushi | owner_: you mean a drive died while you were formatting it as ntfs? |
| 20:46.19 | rodiguim | hello all, how can I give a user access to use the sound, the sound works fine as root but not when logged as a normal user? |
| 20:46.34 | giwe | raphi: it was triggered by a dist-upgrade to lenny |
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| 20:46.42 | ribasushi | rodiguim: in /etc/group, add the proper users to the audio group |
| 20:46.53 | memnon | Hi, I wonder how to disable bluetooth (never use it) on my |
| 20:46.53 | memnon | laptop. rmmod bluetooth gives Error: Module bluetooth is in use by rfcomm,l2cap. |
| 20:46.57 | rodiguim | thanks |
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| 20:47.02 | memnon | What do these do? |
| 20:47.04 | abrotman | !tell memnon about blacklist |
| 20:47.19 | ribasushi | rodiguim: as in audio:x:NN:user1,user2,... |
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| 20:48.51 | owner_ | ribasushi: i guess it might have been corrupt before but it never occured during fat32 formats. however, when filled with some 4GB, the filesystem got killed. that's when i went for ntfs and partitioning froze. is there a log i could read about that? i used mkfs.ntfs |
| 20:48.55 | rodiguim | ribasushi, thank you |
| 20:49.32 | ribasushi | owner_: don't know about logs - but what is the situation now? you don't see the drive after reboot anymore or...? |
| 20:49.42 | giwe | !tell give about blacklist |
| 20:49.55 | owner_ | ribasushi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/248232/ |
| 20:50.27 | ribasushi | owner_: did you read what I said? |
| 20:50.33 | ribasushi | did you reboot or no? |
| 20:50.39 | ribasushi | your usb may be locked up |
| 20:52.27 | owner_ | ribasushi: no i didn't see you say anything like that. i plugged it into a different box though and got the same thing... |
| 20:52.29 | memnon | abrotman: I know about blacklist, but I usually disable a module by |
| 20:52.29 | memnon | hand first, to see if there are any side effects I did not |
| 20:52.29 | memnon | foresee. googling rfcomm, this seems only to be bluetooth stuff, but |
| 20:52.29 | memnon | disabling 3 modules at once makes me a bit nervous ;) |
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| 20:53.05 | ribasushi | owner_: and did you shut it down before plugging into another machine (external power) |
| 20:53.27 | owner_ | ribasushi: yes, it's a pendrive |
| 20:53.31 | memnon | 3 Lines is flooding now? |
| 20:53.32 | sylar | how do you edit latex? |
| 20:53.54 | sylar | is there an editor? |
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| 20:54.03 | Titan8990 | lots of editors support latex |
| 20:54.13 | themill | sylar: any editor will do. There are some nice ones designed for latex though, like kile. |
| 20:54.14 | sylar | like? |
| 20:54.17 | Titan8990 | its not something that you just pick up and do without reading documentation however |
| 20:54.21 | ribasushi | owner_: interesting |
| 20:54.22 | dondelelcaro | sylar: emacs, vim, etc. |
| 20:54.28 | Titan8990 | sylar, emacs vim |
| 20:54.30 | dondelelcaro | sylar: you could also use LyX or similar |
| 20:54.37 | sylar | lol , emacs |
| 20:54.44 | Titan8990 | sylar, emacs > all..... |
| 20:54.47 | themill | sylar: you may also like to /msg dpkg latex |
| 20:54.48 | sylar | I am talking about wysiwug |
| 20:54.53 | owner_ | ribasushi: do you think an anvil might help me? |
| 20:55.02 | owner_ | and a hammer? |
| 20:55.02 | dondelelcaro | sylar: then you want LyX, though it's rather limited with what it can do |
| 20:55.04 | ribasushi | owner_: they always help |
| 20:55.11 | meetmeonaholiday | I use vim with LaTeX. there is also Kile for graphical |
| 20:55.13 | themill | sylar: in that case, LyX, although it has some quirks of its own. |
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| 20:55.21 | Titan8990 | sylar, latex != wysiwyg |
| 20:55.31 | owner_ | ribasushi: i guess that's all i've got anyway! |
| 20:55.33 | dondelelcaro | sylar: the whole point of LaTeX is that you don't have to bother with what it looks like for the most part. You just concentrate on the content, and the packages and styles do the hard work |
| 20:55.38 | Titan8990 | sylar, they are like opposites.... |
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| 20:56.00 | sylar | humm |
| 20:56.00 | meetmeonaholiday | yeah, emacs has to math preview mode stuff though |
| 20:56.01 | sylar | k |
| 20:56.04 | owner_ | thanks for your help guys, i'll be back sometime soon to hopefully help someone too.. |
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| 20:57.07 | dondelelcaro | sylar: if you do serious writing, then it's probably something you'd want to learn... I personally use it all the time |
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| 20:57.35 | sylar | is there something for formula's in PDF? |
| 20:57.37 | c-101 | Hello there |
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| 20:57.51 | dondelelcaro | sylar: you just write them in LaTeX and output to pdf using pdflatex or similar |
| 20:57.54 | ribasushi | dondelelcaro: except for the odd case when formatting goes nuts |
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| 20:58.07 | sda33 | hi |
| 20:58.09 | c-101 | has someone tested packages for kde 4.3 ? Do the plasma weather station work for you ? |
| 20:58.17 | sylar | dondelelcaro, and what about the rest of the text? |
| 20:58.25 | dondelelcaro | sylar: same thing. |
| 20:58.28 | ribasushi | dondelelcaro: and then you spend hours on google to figure out how to position something somewhere, so that your page does not become a single image in the center with no text |
| 20:58.30 | meetmeonaholiday | sylar why not hop on #latex |
| 20:58.42 | sylar | meetmeonaholiday, good idea |
| 20:59.01 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: well, generally if you're trying to do aboslute positioning, you're doing something wrong, but it's not like that isn't supported |
| 20:59.10 | ribasushi | docbook > latex |
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| 20:59.43 | fynn | Hey. I like Debian, but the packages on stable are, like, old. |
| 20:59.59 | fynn | which is a problem for desktop development usage |
| 21:00.02 | dondelelcaro | fynn: so use backports in addition to stable if there are packages that you care about |
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| 21:00.07 | fynn | is there a really good way of using Debian with the newest packages? |
| 21:00.15 | meetmeonaholiday | ribasushi yeah I don't recommend LaTeX to anyone. it's a beast. but once you've spent a looooooong time figuring it out it's easy to use all the time |
| 21:00.18 | themill | fynn: it is? never seen it to be a problem for any development work |
| 21:00.31 | dondelelcaro | fynn: use testing or unstable, then. or use chroots as appropriate |
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| 21:00.55 | fynn | themill: sure, for instance, latest PG 8.4 has features that could help me in development |
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| 21:01.36 | fynn | hm, testing is the least stable one, right? |
| 21:01.44 | dondelelcaro | fynn: it's in testing and unstable, and you can probably ask for backports. |
| 21:01.47 | themill | fynn: but then people would only be able to run your code with 8.4 and most people running database servers don't want to go anywhere near new databases any time soon. |
| 21:02.13 | fynn | themill: as luck may have it, I'm also root on my own application servers ;) |
| 21:02.32 | fynn | OK, which to choose between testing and unstable? |
| 21:02.37 | themill | fynn: see also backports.org though.... |
| 21:02.39 | Phasy13 | How to get my wifi working on debian? |
| 21:02.44 | themill | judd versions postgresql-8.4 |
| 21:02.45 | judd | themill: postgresql-8.4 -- lenny-backports: 8.4.0-1~bpo50+1 sid: 8.4.0-2 squeeze: 8.4.0-2 |
| 21:02.46 | fynn | my main development experience is in Ubuntu |
| 21:02.47 | dondelelcaro | fynn: no, testing is the suite which will become the next release. You shouldn't be running it in production. |
| 21:02.48 | themill | fynn: ^^ |
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| 21:03.08 | dondelelcaro | (and you certainly shouldn't be running unstable if you're asking questions about it) |
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| 21:03.14 | abrotman | Phasy13: which chipset is the device? |
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| 21:03.29 | Phasy13 | intel |
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| 21:03.38 | abrotman | which one? |
| 21:03.45 | Phasy13 | how was i to find out? |
| 21:04.01 | Phasy13 | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 |
| 21:04.22 | Selveste1 | is RTC compiled into the stock debian 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 kernel ? |
| 21:04.25 | c-101 | has someone tested packages for kde 4.3 ? Do the plasma weather station work for you ? |
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| 21:04.35 | themill | dpkg: tell Phasy13 about iwlagn |
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| 21:07.02 | trollboy | is there an easy way to upgrade to 2.6.28? |
| 21:07.06 | trollboy | I'm running woody atm |
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| 21:07.28 | c-101 | trollboy: you could compile your own kernel |
| 21:07.34 | JoshH | lol woody |
| 21:07.43 | trollboy | err I meant lenny |
| 21:07.44 | trollboy | sorry |
| 21:07.52 | JoshH | ah, crap |
| 21:08.11 | Phasy13 | aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-$(uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g') firmware-iwlwifi wireless-tools |
| 21:08.20 | Phasy13 | which kernel version should I write there? |
| 21:08.27 | trollboy | c-101, just tried that using a howto... failed out |
| 21:08.56 | themill | judd kernels |
| 21:08.57 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc5-686 (2.6.31~rc5-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14082); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-3~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch2); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 21:09.03 | fynn | dondelelcaro, themill: what are the disadvantages of running stable + backports vs. testing? |
| 21:09.30 | fynn | basically, testing seems like the ideal development box. |
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| 21:09.54 | fynn | you get a constant lag of 2-3 weeks in which unstable users are checking things for you. |
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| 21:10.35 | fynn | so following an acceptable QC delay of 2-3 weeks, you get to use latest-N-greatest, after it's been actually tested. |
| 21:10.38 | fynn | seems ideal to me. |
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| 21:11.27 | jelly-home | fynn: except for the nonexistant security fixes |
| 21:11.44 | fynn | jelly-home: this is a desktop development box :) |
| 21:12.15 | jelly-home | fynn: if that means you're not browsing web sites on it, good |
| 21:13.09 | fynn | jelly-home: security is great and all, but I won't wait a year to use Firefox 3.5 ;) |
| 21:13.22 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: y not borwsing from it ? that shot be no problem in other then an M$ box ^^ |
| 21:13.40 | fynn | not just because of the once in a lifetime remote exploitation bug, that only affects MS systems |
| 21:13.51 | ribasushi | jelly-home: wanna mention http://security.debian.org testing/update ? |
| 21:14.35 | ribasushi | jelly-home: fud sucks you know |
| 21:15.14 | Selveste1 | fynn: y not just use Mozilla linux packed version - works fine on my lenny :) |
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| 21:16.08 | dondelelcaro | fynn: the main reason why it's not really recommended is because you're following a moving target |
| 21:16.19 | dondelelcaro | fynn: if that's not a problem, then by all means, use testing |
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| 21:16.44 | dondelelcaro | stable has the advantage that for a period of years you'll be able to use the same version with security upport |
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| 21:17.10 | fynn | dondelelcaro: yea, it's definitely not a problem for my desktop machine |
| 21:17.17 | dondelelcaro | fynn: then by all means use testing |
| 21:17.30 | dondelelcaro | (it's not like it matters to us much what your decision is) |
| 21:18.07 | fynn | dondelelcaro: the only question is what's the ideal flavor for production, given that I do want the best security and stability there, but also occasionally want specific package there to be the latest versions. |
| 21:18.51 | craigevil | fynn: then you backport them from sid while running lenny |
| 21:19.04 | abrotman | fynn: if it's for a server, i'd use stable, and i'm sure most would recommend the same |
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| 21:19.32 | dondelelcaro | fynn: yeah, in production, the choice is simple: run stable, and backport when required |
| 21:19.44 | abrotman | fynn: what kind of system is this going to be ? |
| 21:20.13 | fynn | abrotman: it's a web application. |
| 21:20.29 | abrotman | fynn: like php or python? |
| 21:20.35 | fynn | of course, ideally I'd use only packages released 4 years ago, with all the security patches applies |
| 21:20.52 | fynn | but, occassionally, I need features from the latest PG release. |
| 21:20.56 | fynn | for example. |
| 21:21.02 | fynn | abrotman: Python :) |
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| 21:21.23 | dondelelcaro | hrm... debhelper is lagged out |
| 21:21.25 | fynn | uhm, what? |
| 21:21.26 | abrotman | fynn: if you were running testing/unstable .. one day you might update the system and then your PHP changes, and voila! some Python function you were using is gone, or changed, or returns data differently .. etc ? |
| 21:21.31 | ribasushi | "ideally I'd use only packages released 4 years ago" <-- o.O |
| 21:21.35 | abrotman | s/php/python/ |
| 21:21.52 | ribasushi | abrotman: more fud |
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| 21:22.01 | abrotman | ribasushi: what is? |
| 21:22.06 | fynn | abrotman: that can never happen in the platforms I know (C/Python) |
| 21:22.11 | abrotman | fynn: never say never ... |
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| 21:22.28 | ribasushi | so you mean once you write an app you keep around the same version of the interpeter? |
| 21:22.35 | ribasushi | abrotman: that's a bit... crazy? |
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| 21:22.56 | fynn | abrotman: that's how it works, by definition :) |
| 21:22.58 | abrotman | ribasushi: you're not paying attention all that closely |
| 21:23.20 | fynn | a new minor release of Python can never be functionally different than any previous minor one. |
| 21:23.27 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: nah, but usually you change it when you want it changed, not when someone else decides |
| 21:23.31 | abrotman | fynn: yes .. it's one thing if you're prepping for the change by testing on the next stable release of debian .. it's another thing to have a package flow in and screw up your running system unexpectedly |
| 21:23.31 | grendal_prime | is there any thing out there that i can extract the contents of a windows bkf file into like a dir and then pick out what i want? |
| 21:23.47 | ribasushi | dondelelcaro: yes, you change stuff when you run aptitude... |
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| 21:23.49 | grendal_prime | i was hoping to be able to must like...mount the bkf like a virtual file system. |
| 21:24.15 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: right, but if you're not following testing fairly closely, then you're not getting security updates |
| 21:24.29 | abrotman | fynn: when you run stable, you are very nearly certain that as long as you stay on that version of debian, that your system won't experience a break like that |
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| 21:25.26 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: and while you certainly can figure out what packages you're installing, it's not clear apriori if a new version will break functionality present in an old version |
| 21:25.46 | fynn | abrotman: yeah, I can definitely not allow for packages on production to just get updated without my explicit request |
| 21:25.47 | dondelelcaro | (we have little compunction with breaking API compatibility if upstream doe) |
| 21:26.17 | abrotman | fynn: you'd still be requesting .. but things will change under you .. and you may not really know they are coming |
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| 21:27.21 | abrotman | fynn: for example, right now the default python in squeeze is 2.5.4, tomorrow i might not even blink as it goes to python2.6, and who knows what it might do to your stuff (i don't think much, but not a risk i'd want to take in production) |
| 21:27.24 | SuperMiguel | whats is the best way to install debian in raid 0? |
| 21:28.26 | fynn | abrotman: actually, 2.5=>2.6 is a major release, so that's a significant update there, that I wouldn't just go ahead and make. |
| 21:28.26 | fynn | abrotman: first of all, waht's "squeeze"? |
| 21:28.26 | abrotman | fynn: you also might not notice .. |
| 21:28.26 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: use the debian installer, set up a separate /boot partition, and then set up raid 0 and your paritions |
| 21:28.28 | ribasushi | guys, who is talking about production? |
| 21:28.31 | abrotman | fynn: current codename for testing |
| 21:28.38 | abrotman | ribasushi: the person asking is ... |
| 21:28.45 | ribasushi | fynn came in asking what to put on a personal dev-box |
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| 21:28.56 | ribasushi | scroll up |
| 21:28.57 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: and production as well... |
| 21:29.08 | abrotman | <fynn> dondelelcaro: the only question is what's the ideal flavor for production, given that I do want the best security and stability there, but also occasionally want specific package there to be the latest versions. |
| 21:29.11 | abrotman | ribasushi: ^^ |
| 21:29.34 | ribasushi | mea culpa, I missed this line |
| 21:29.42 | fynn | abrotman: testing is still 2.5.4? that's pretty old |
| 21:29.44 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, so boot has to be out of raid 0? |
| 21:29.47 | ribasushi | my bad, carry on (I somewhat agree about stable on real production boxes) |
| 21:29.58 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: generally speaking, yes. |
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| 21:30.25 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, and what u mean create the raid 0 on the installer? |
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| 21:30.39 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: since it's usually pretty small (150M or smaller), and gets used once, it's not a huge deal |
| 21:30.54 | fynn | yeah, seems like the best for production boxes is stable, with pin-point updates for the specific, minimal set of packages I need the to be latest. |
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| 21:31.00 | fynn | s/the// |
| 21:31.08 | fynn | s/updates/backports/ |
| 21:31.14 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 21:31.22 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: uh... by using the partitioner to create the partitions, and shoving raid0 on them and putting filesystems on them? |
| 21:31.28 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: read the install manual if you need more detail |
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| 21:31.51 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: but feel free to ask specific questions here if you get stuck or lost |
| 21:32.21 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, will i be better off putting boot into another hd if i have one? |
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| 21:32.51 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: not really necessary |
| 21:33.29 | grendal_prime | nothing on the BKF's |
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| 21:34.13 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, on the bios my sata operations should be set to ahci or native ide? or does it even matter? |
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| 21:38.08 | meetmeonaholiday | supermig http://expertester.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/ahci-vs-ide-â-benchmark-advantage/ |
| 21:38.33 | jelly-home | <ribasushi> jelly-home: fud sucks you know # huh? |
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| 21:39.07 | ribasushi | jelly-home: this was in regard to testing not having security updates |
| 21:39.12 | jelly-home | ribasushi: testing hasn't had a security update in a long time. I don't see the fud. |
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| 21:39.54 | ribasushi | jelly-home: possibly because the entries from sid obviate this most of the time |
| 21:39.55 | ribasushi | ? |
| 21:40.05 | SuperMiguel | meetmeonaholiday, so should i set it to native ide or ahci? |
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| 21:40.19 | jelly-home | ribasushi: it's a clear statement "no security"; if anything, a mention of DTSA would be fud since _it's not there at all_ |
| 21:40.58 | jelly-home | ribasushi: and no, 2- or 10-day delayed package is not good security |
| 21:41.16 | meetmeonaholiday | ahci has been supported in linux for a good time now. it is more efficient (see conclusion of linked blog). I don't see any risk to either, just an advantage to ahci when using sata |
| 21:41.25 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: see that article; it goes through it in detail. Or you could benchmark your specific hardware and workflow, and answer that for yourself |
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| 21:43.17 | ribasushi | jelly-home: on this count I agree, yes |
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| 21:43.46 | ribasushi | last time I checked testing-security was in working condition, I use sid mostly, thus once again - mea culpa |
| 21:44.11 | Irishmanluke | ok simple question, how do I make debian remember my wireless configuration |
| 21:44.13 | themill | ribasushi: /msg dpkg testing security |
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| 21:44.26 | Irishmanluke | as in essid and key |
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| 21:45.10 | jelly-home | ribasushi: not nice to get an accusation of fud, esp. based on 6months+ old info |
| 21:45.16 | meetmeonaholiday | irishman /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:45.17 | ribasushi | themill++ |
| 21:45.22 | themill | ribasushi: and it's only ever on a best effort basis they will sometimes just let a 2-day sid package sort things out instead of doing their own upload. (and only late in the lenny cycle did he testing security team have access to embargoed information) |
| 21:45.29 | ribasushi | jelly-home: nope, it isn't |
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| 21:45.35 | meetmeonaholiday | irishman: man interfaces |
| 21:45.50 | jelly-home | themill: and they don't do jack shit these days at all |
| 21:46.13 | jaggz- | full-screen in konsole goes under the kde menubar |
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| 21:48.56 | themill | jelly-home: quite |
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| 21:50.04 | dokma | Hi guys. I've been having trouble setting pdnsd with opendns. Everything works except for adding entries to the cache. For example, after 'pdnsd-ctl add a 111.111.111.111 domain.tld' dig will correctly resolve domain.tld but firefox will resolve it from opendns instead from pdns cache. Does this makes any sense? |
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| 21:50.41 | sharp15 | Irishmanluke: did you find your answer from #gentoo yet? |
| 21:50.56 | jelly-home | dokma: resolv.conf points to localhost? |
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| 21:51.20 | Irishmanluke | sharp15: I'm not in #gentoo |
| 21:51.44 | dokma | jelly-home: yes |
| 21:51.51 | meetmeonaholiday | irishmanluke did you see my answer to your answer? |
| 21:51.59 | Irishmanluke | meetmeonaholiday: no |
| 21:52.00 | meetmeonaholiday | question* |
| 21:52.06 | meetmeonaholiday | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:52.08 | meetmeonaholiday | man interfaces |
| 21:52.22 | meetmeonaholiday | that's where you store interface settings |
| 21:52.37 | Irishmanluke | meetmeonaholiday: oh yeah I was looking at the man page and I don't see anything about defining wireless essids and keys |
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| 21:53.28 | dokma | jelly-home: do you know wether /etc/resolv.conf should be updated if I modify dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:53.54 | sharp15 | Irishmanluke: you aren't the guy who was using this handle there a few minutes ago? |
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| 21:54.55 | Irishmanluke | sharp15: a few minutes ago maybe |
| 21:55.05 | jelly-home | dokma: if you have resolvconf installed and restarted the interfaces in question, yes |
| 21:55.56 | dokma | jelly-home: strange... I have opendns ips in interfaces and localhost in resolv.conf |
| 21:56.05 | wad | I've got someone who wants to manage their website on my server, but they are all kinds of intimidated by a command line. Since I don't allow FTP, their only option is ssh... unless there were some nifty web-based file manager tool, that would let them upload files, etc? Any recommendations? |
| 21:56.07 | dokma | even after /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:56.42 | nevyn | wad: winscp ? |
| 21:56.51 | nevyn | wad: it's proprietary but it works |
| 21:56.56 | jelly-home | dokma: that's how pdnsd integration works, I believe |
| 21:57.08 | wad | nevyn: Okay, I'll give it a shot! |
| 21:57.09 | nevyn | wad: webdav |
| 21:57.18 | nevyn | wad: there are lots of options |
| 21:57.24 | nevyn | wad: you could install a CMS |
| 21:57.42 | nevyn | wad: tortisegit ? |
| 21:58.02 | dokma | jelly-home: I must admit I do not understand why resolv.conf would have a different value than interfaces |
| 21:58.11 | dokma | jelly-home: can you shed some light on that? |
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| 21:58.25 | themill | wad: /msg dpkg sftp ; clients like filezilla are easy enough to use |
| 21:58.29 | wad | Looks like winscp is the winner so far... I don't have to install anything! :) |
| 21:58.50 | nevyn | wad: it depends what you want to accomplish |
| 21:59.14 | jelly-home | dokma: /usr/share/doc/pdnsd/README.Debian |
| 21:59.32 | dokma | jelly-home: thanks |
| 21:59.39 | nevyn | wad: filezilla may be a option that's free |
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| 22:01.50 | dokma | jelly-home: I switched it to manual... but when I shut pdnsd down firefox still surfs normally |
| 22:02.06 | dokma | jelly-home: so I guess it is not being used by the system... |
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| 22:05.57 | jelly-home | dokma: when pdnsd is stopped, resolv.conf contents change |
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| 22:06.45 | themill | !resolvconf |
| 22:06.45 | dpkg | [resolvconf] a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>. |
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| 22:07.14 | g00se | jelly-home: you mean pdnsd actually writes to resolv.conf? |
| 22:07.24 | jelly-home | g00se: no |
| 22:07.37 | hark | nevyn: winscp is free, not proprietary |
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| 22:12.15 | jelly-home | g00se: it's integrated with resolvconf, so when it is running, other sources for dns server information change pdnsd's config instead of /etc/resolv.conf, and resolv.conf just contains an entry pointing to pdnsd runnu |
| 22:12.22 | jelly-home | ing on localhost |
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| 22:13.36 | g00se | jelly-home: Thanks.Gnite! |
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| 22:16.58 | nevyn | hark: it's free? |
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| 22:17.33 | nevyn | hark: my bad. |
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| 22:20.45 | koopsta | i just got a kernel panic while formatting a partition |
| 22:21.57 | _AnywhereIs_ | kernel version, partition program, filesystem type? |
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| 22:23.22 | koopsta | used fdisk to create the partition, was using mkfs.ext3 |
| 22:23.27 | koopsta | will quickly check kernel |
| 22:23.58 | aqolzm | how do i install java 1.6 on my debian? i can only get 1.5 |
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| 22:24.50 | themill | aqolzm: which version of debian? etch? |
| 22:25.02 | aqolzm | lenny |
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| 22:25.40 | themill | aqolzm: sun-java6-jre is most certainly available, as is openjdk-6. /msg dpkg install java |
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| 22:28.43 | taiyedbrodel | what options should I add to a NTFS partition? I need to reed and write to it |
| 22:29.57 | meetmeonaholiday | -o rw |
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| 22:31.39 | alsd | hi there |
| 22:32.57 | alsd | im having trouble with pidgin on debian lenny : when chatting over MSN, I keep getting disconnected for no precise reason, about every 2 minute. anyone has a clue? |
| 22:33.09 | aqolzm | hmm just got this for openjdk-6-jre, Error occurred during initialization of VM Could not reserve enough space for object heap |
| 22:33.45 | alsd | the pidgin debug window says the switchboard server says "BYE <user>" and then forces disconnection (TCP reset) |
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| 22:34.33 | meetmeonaholiday | what are the account settings alsd? |
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| 22:34.39 | meetmeonaholiday | server/port I mean |
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| 22:35.07 | VulpesFoxnik | anyone else update last night and all X-Display-Managers no long function? |
| 22:35.29 | nsadmin | VulpesFoxnik: /msg dpkg bts |
| 22:35.32 | BoltPower21 | is /dev/console linked to /dev/tty1? if so how? |
| 22:35.58 | VulpesFoxnik | nsadmin: That would help If I knew what module I updated |
| 22:36.18 | russo | hmm can someone help me with mdadm, one of my devices is confused and keeps messing up my array and keeping it from coming up, how can update its superblock? forwhatever reason it won't update during assembly. Can i just do -update=resync? |
| 22:36.46 | nsadmin | VulpesFoxnik: start with the default dm |
| 22:36.56 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: the default ones : messenger.hotmail.com port 1863 |
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| 22:37.02 | VulpesFoxnik | nsadmin: All of them fail. KDM GDM XDM |
| 22:37.13 | meetmeonaholiday | alsd have your tried http method? |
| 22:37.24 | nsadmin | VulpesFoxnik: look at the bts |
| 22:37.28 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: not yet |
| 22:37.48 | nsadmin | VulpesFoxnik: you're not running stable I take it |
| 22:37.50 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: seems like it happens when my so-called "buddy" closes the conversation window |
| 22:37.56 | themill | VulpesFoxnik: have you looked in your aptitude logs to see what you upgraded? |
| 22:38.09 | VulpesFoxnik | nsadmin: Why would I do that to myself... wait aptitude has logs? |
| 22:38.13 | meetmeonaholiday | alsd you get kicked when they close the conversation window? |
| 22:38.46 | themill | VulpesFoxnik: so are you running stable or not then? |
| 22:38.55 | blah3335 | im having a problem with gem is complains the gem facest/stylize is not there however it is listed as installed on gems here the error http://pastebin.com/mb72a24 |
| 22:39.04 | VulpesFoxnik | I'm running a testing/unstable/experimental cocktail |
| 22:39.23 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: not precisely : the debug log seems to say the switchboard server forcibly ends the TCP connection |
| 22:39.25 | nsadmin | VulpesFoxnik: oh, ok... I'm out of this conversation; good luck |
| 22:39.34 | blah3335 | im running debian 5. |
| 22:39.44 | meetmeonaholiday | alsd, but it only happens when they close the window? |
| 22:40.39 | themill | VulpesFoxnik: so you've not looked at the bts, you've not looked at your log files and you're running some mess that you can't even describe succinctly.... remind me how anyone is supposed to be able to help you? |
| 22:40.47 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: seems like so. the guy i'm talking with is not technology savvy, so it's hard to tell |
| 22:41.02 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: but he uses the regular windows live messenger client |
| 22:41.11 | meetmeonaholiday | yeah |
| 22:41.21 | VulpesFoxnik | themill: I'm looking at them now |
| 22:41.58 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: the debug window has this error : "(00:28:15) msn: servconn read error, len: -1 error: Connection reset by peer" |
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| 22:42.07 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: when this happens |
| 22:42.37 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: just after a "BYE <user>" where user is my "buddy"'s user name |
| 22:42.51 | planet8 | I have moved a hard drive from one pc unto another, is it possible to re-run the auto detect that runs during installation of debian? |
| 22:43.18 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: according to the MSN draft IETF RFC, BYE is sent when the conversation times out or when the server goes to maintenance mode |
| 22:43.18 | meetmeonaholiday | alsd what version are you running? |
| 22:43.24 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: the one from lenny |
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| 22:43.58 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: 2.4.3 that is |
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| 22:44.03 | meetmeonaholiday | was this after an upgrade or just random today? |
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| 22:44.27 | ska | What is the right file to put in "txqueuelen" for an interface? |
| 22:44.47 | alsd | meetmeonaholiday: no, it's doing so for as long as I used my MSN account (15 days that is), no version change AFAIK |
| 22:44.58 | meetmeonaholiday | hmm |
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| 22:45.27 | dzup | hi, can i ask a question? |
| 22:45.50 | ska | Can I put in any ifconfig parameter inside of /etc/network/interfaces ?? |
| 22:46.05 | meetmeonaholiday | like what ska? |
| 22:47.10 | ska | meetmeonaholiday: txqueuelen (or tx_queue_len) ... |
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| 22:48.51 | VulpesFoxnik | hmmm I'm not seeing anything in my updates that relate to Xorg since my last reboot. |
| 22:49.58 | dzup | hi, am running windowx XP + VMware to emulate a virtual machine with Debian, under that i run VirtualBOX to run Ubuntu and in there i run Wine with WAMP as my production webserver, is this safe? |
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| 22:50.49 | themill | heh |
| 22:50.50 | dutchfish | ska, isnt that rather automatic? this depends solely on the type of protocol being used like ipx/tcp etc |
| 22:51.06 | meetmeonaholiday | I'm not sure ska. man interfaces |
| 22:51.38 | VulpesFoxnik | dzup: I wouldn't say it's smart. |
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| 22:52.01 | dzup | why not?, looks am imprenetable |
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| 22:52.25 | VulpesFoxnik | dzup: Your host system is still XP |
| 22:52.40 | pickcoder | ska: I don't see that as a valid option, but you can use "pre-up" to set the tx_queue_len via echo X > /sys/class/net/eth0/tx_queue_len |
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| 22:54.25 | pickcoder | you can use the $IFACE variable to represent the interface it's applied to |
| 22:55.04 | dzup | so, is not good then? |
| 22:55.17 | pickcoder | hm.. maybe that's only an env var for ifup-down |
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| 22:55.44 | VulpesFoxnik | dzup: No It's not good, XP is a bad host system for you to be using. Your security is only as good as your host layer. |
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| 22:56.19 | linduxed | i screwed up my bash completion for mplayer, accidentally ran a "complete mplayer" when i wanted to append stuff. Is there a way to restore it? |
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| 22:57.04 | meetmeonaholiday | what do you mean linduxed |
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| 22:57.32 | linduxed | "mplayer <TAB><TAB>" doesnt show anything |
| 22:57.42 | linduxed | and it doesnt complete at all |
| 22:58.00 | meetmeonaholiday | did you start a new shell and try again? |
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| 22:58.26 | linduxed | hmmm that worked |
| 22:58.35 | linduxed | i guess the changes arent permanent |
| 22:58.44 | linduxed | meetmeonaholiday: thx |
| 22:58.49 | linduxed | meetmeonaholiday: panic down |
| 22:58.55 | linduxed | meetmeonaholiday: by the way |
| 22:59.15 | linduxed | i was wondering how to make mplayer complete ogv and ogg files |
| 22:59.33 | linduxed | apart from all the other things it autocompletes on |
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| 23:00.51 | meetmeonaholiday | what do you mean linduxed? |
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| 23:00.58 | dokma | anyone knows how can it be that dig is resolving domains differently from firefox? |
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| 23:01.55 | dondelelcaro | dokma: dig makes dns requests directly, and doesn't use the system resolver |
| 23:02.26 | dondelelcaro | dokma: under normal circumstances, they should be the same, but there are lots of ways that you can configure your system to make them different |
| 23:02.36 | dokma | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to set up pdnsd and it works when I test it with dig. But firefox has a mind of it's own. |
| 23:02.37 | linduxed | meetmeonaholiday: lets say ive got a file called foobar.ogv. "mplayer foo<TAB>" doesnt print anything |
| 23:03.05 | linduxed | meetmeonaholiday: but if i type out the entire name then it works (because the format is supported) |
| 23:03.33 | dokma | dondelelcaro: do you know how firefox resolves domains? |
| 23:03.37 | meetmeonaholiday | works for me linduxed |
| 23:03.52 | meetmeonaholiday | you running bash linduxed? |
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| 23:07.48 | linduxed | meetmeonaholiday: yupp |
| 23:07.57 | meetmeonaholiday | hmm |
| 23:09.22 | dutchfish | ska, but you can look it up with something like: udevadm info -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0 |
| 23:10.10 | meetmeonaholiday | idunno linduxed. what terminal are you using? |
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| 23:11.18 | pingouin | how can i get a list of all channels on freenode ? |
| 23:11.48 | petemc | try /list -yes |
| 23:12.46 | pingouin | hmm... /help list [...] causes you to be disconnected from the server with the reason "Excess flood" |
| 23:13.21 | linduxed | meetmeonaholiday: gnome-terminal |
| 23:13.41 | pingouin | nice try petemc ;) |
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| 23:13.59 | linduxed | meetmeonaholiday: look... isnt there just a complete-command i can run to have it append ogv to the files it should complete? |
| 23:14.17 | meetmeonaholiday | i don't think so. I've never had to set one up |
| 23:14.40 | linduxed | meetmeonaholiday: guess ill ask my friend |
| 23:14.43 | linduxed | meetmeonaholiday: google |
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| 23:14.47 | slidesinger | Situation: building a lightweight laptop for a client who is switching from windows. She is not a geek, she barely qualifies as a user. The laptop wireless is a broadcom 4318. Device not working. I have seen articles which say: You must use ndiswrapper or face stability problems. I have also seen: you have to upgrade the firmware with fwcutter then use bcm43xx for a more worry free connection than you will get with ndiswr |
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| 23:16.20 | orbisvic1s | where in casper can I change the location of the squashfs file ? |
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| 23:17.08 | slidesinger | Finally, I have read that you definitely do not want to upgrade the firmware as you will kill the nic. I have no experience with this nic, has anyone used one method or another with success? |
| 23:17.15 | dutchfish | d!tell slidesinger about b43 |
| 23:17.20 | dutchfish | !tell slidesinger about b43 |
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| 23:17.35 | jeeves | how can I see a site survey from the CLI for my wireless networks? |
| 23:18.36 | petemc | iwlist |
| 23:18.50 | slidesinger | dutchfish: Thanks |
| 23:18.56 | dutchfish | slidesinger, yw |
| 23:19.21 | petemc | pingouin: i answered the question you asked |
| 23:19.39 | jeeves | petemc, thanks. I'll see if I can figure out the command line switches |
| 23:19.59 | petemc | np |
| 23:20.03 | linduxed | meetmeonaholiday: added some text into /etc/bash_complete |
| 23:20.08 | linduxed | meetmeonaholiday: works now |
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| 23:20.49 | meetmeonaholiday | linduxed that's good I don't know why it didn't work for you before. I'm running unstable so maybe you just had an old version |
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| 23:23.40 | pingouin | petemc: thanks |
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| 23:24.53 | starters | hi! i installed truecrypt on my debian and mounted an crypted ntfs-drive with it. its displayed in df as it should be, but i just cant write on the drive... its _not_ mounted as read only and chmod also doesnt help! anyone has any suggestions? |
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| 23:31.03 | MrWax | when I do find . -type -f -name *.css |' and i like to cat everything found |
| 23:31.05 | MrWax | what should I use? |
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| 23:33.27 | vlt | Hello. How to create an initramfs in a chrooted environment (lenny kernel is running, but I need to build it for 2.6.18 kernel)? |
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| 23:35.17 | vlt | vlt: Ok, found it: Just add the version string as last arg. |
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| 23:59.41 | SuperMiguel | i have 4 HD, 1 80gb and 3 500gb. I trying to install debian on a raid 0 array. I created the / on the 80gb. Then on the installer i created one partition on each of the 500gb and i changed the use as: to physical volume for RAID. then i went to Configure software RAID, and created an MD and and picked all 3 of the drives. Then it created a RAID 0 Device #0 1.5TB, how can i create partitions under this? |
