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| 00:03.26 | macrobat | i read lvm is good for partitions on large drives and raid |
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| 00:04.12 | macrobat | then you can have as many partitions you like |
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| 00:04.53 | daemon | hey guys how would I install all 'non neccesary' packages from debian that is, leave me with ssh access apt-get and aptitude |
| 00:04.58 | Titan8990 | lvm is nice |
| 00:05.01 | daemon | and cut off apache, bind and whatever other crap the vps came preinstalled with |
| 00:05.21 | epsilon | question... I want a full backup of a disk usind dd (like if=disk of=backupfile). But what happens if the replacement disk to restore is bigger or even few bytes smaller? |
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| 00:06.09 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: that's generally why you want to use tar or similar instead |
| 00:06.10 | Titan8990 | daemon, there are many companies out there that start with minimal installs... why didn't you choose one of them |
| 00:06.27 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: but in any event, you can always mount the image through a loopback and pull the information out that way |
| 00:06.33 | daemon | Titan8990, I chose some cheap jack ass russian company because I need a fast vps for a month till my rackhost is sorted |
| 00:06.50 | epsilon | dondelelcaro: But I also want to backup MBR |
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| 00:07.21 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: you can dd that up separately, but honestly it's rather trivial to regenerate the partition table and the mbr |
| 00:07.23 | epsilon | dondelelcaro: or can I just dd the first 512Bytes of the disk and I have the MBR? |
| 00:07.49 | epsilon | dondelelcaro: not sure... it's Windoze |
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| 00:09.08 | epsilon | some pre-activated Windows on factory-new laptops |
| 00:09.30 | epsilon | eh, not yet activated Windows |
| 00:10.09 | dutchfish | epsilon, maybe you should take a peak at partimage/partimage-server (it can restore ot smaller/bigger disks and does nice compression as a bonus) |
| 00:10.29 | ska | pickco: thanks.. |
| 00:11.12 | epsilon | ah, nice to know |
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| 00:11.32 | daemon | is there anyway to revert debian down to its minimal install |
| 00:11.37 | daemon | +ssh |
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| 00:12.10 | Titan8990 | daemon, you can check taskel to see if all the packages were installed through that |
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| 00:13.20 | daemon | Titan8990, would I simply 'man taskel' to find information or woudl you suggest another resource |
| 00:13.30 | peterrooney | daemon: aptitude does a good job of uninstalling stuff; deborphan -a can often find oddballs. I used to use # apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` ; a lot. |
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| 00:14.03 | groove | hi, can anyone suggest a good reference for organisational guidelines for a debian package building environment? |
| 00:14.09 | Titan8990 | daemon, just run taskel, it has a interface, you should get the idea |
| 00:14.11 | groove | and i guess repo management |
| 00:14.25 | daemon | Titan8990, ah the reason I as querying documentation is that that application is uninstalled |
| 00:14.28 | daemon | well not-insatlled |
| 00:14.31 | daemon | to be precise |
| 00:14.51 | Titan8990 | daemon, sorry, tasksel |
| 00:15.04 | daemon | Titan8990, -bash: tasksel: command not found |
| 00:15.14 | daemon | this box did not have aptitude installed either |
| 00:15.22 | daemon | I assume there using some sort of image |
| 00:15.34 | epsilon | are you running debian at all? |
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| 00:15.45 | daemon | epsilon, debian 5 |
| 00:16.00 | daemon | it was that or CentOs/Gentoo |
| 00:16.12 | Titan8990 | daemon, there are HUGE difference there |
| 00:16.18 | Titan8990 | especially gentoo |
| 00:16.34 | Titan8990 | daemon, cat /etc/issue |
| 00:16.48 | daemon | Titan8990, the configuration actually provided every os I did not want, and not the singular one I wanted. but as I have used debian before I rolled with it |
| 00:16.52 | epsilon | daemon: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:16.54 | daemon | worldforme:~# cat /etc/issue |
| 00:16.54 | daemon | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 00:17.03 | daemon | epsilon, file does not exist |
| 00:17.39 | epsilon | you have a strange system... are you in some kind of chroot, or VM? |
| 00:17.41 | daemon | there is no desmg output either |
| 00:17.43 | daemon | VM |
| 00:17.48 | epsilon | ahh |
| 00:18.14 | Titan8990 | they are probably running openvz so you wouldn't be running your own kernel |
| 00:18.23 | daemon | I dont mind all I need is lighttpd & postgres |
| 00:18.29 | daemon | but all this other crap they installed bugs me |
| 00:18.31 | Titan8990 | openvz is basically a chroot on a host filesystem |
| 00:18.36 | epsilon | then check out /etc/apt/sources.list and install basic stuff with apt-get |
| 00:18.52 | daemon | epsilon, I dont want to install basic stuff I want to uninstall all the crap they 'auto installed' |
| 00:19.26 | dutchfish | daemon, you can start by inspecting dpkg -l |
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| 00:19.32 | epsilon | daemon: the dpkg --list-packages '*' and unsinstall stuff you don't want |
| 00:20.07 | daemon | epsilon, this is the thing, (please dont flame me) im a freebsd guy |
| 00:20.08 | epsilon | ehhh, dpkg --get-selection '*' |
| 00:20.12 | daemon | for me minimal means |
| 00:20.16 | daemon | pkg_delete -a |
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| 00:20.42 | daemon | i want the equivlent for debian, I am aware that linux is jsut a kernel so hence does not have a base systemn |
| 00:20.50 | daemon | was hoping there was some sort of shell script that you guys would know about |
| 00:20.54 | Titan8990 | daemon, binary package management is much better in debian, just need to learn |
| 00:21.10 | daemon | Titan8990, replacement command for pkg_delete -a would be fantastic if that is true |
| 00:21.11 | epsilon | rm -rf / ? |
| 00:21.12 | Titan8990 | daemon, i recommend: apt-get install aptitude tasksel |
| 00:21.30 | daemon | Titan8990, running |
| 00:21.38 | daemon | epsilon, that would remove everything |
| 00:21.45 | daemon | Titan8990, succesful |
| 00:21.46 | epsilon | o rly |
| 00:22.04 | Titan8990 | daemon, there is a problem with that in debian, the core system is debian packages itself |
| 00:22.10 | Titan8990 | daemon, including the kernel |
| 00:22.13 | daemon | Titan8990, this I am aware |
| 00:22.24 | Titan8990 | daemon, so you would basically be doing rm -rf / |
| 00:22.37 | daemon | Titan8990, I was hoping someone somewhere created a script to rmove everything but what is 'needed' to get a command prompt over ssh |
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| 00:23.11 | Titan8990 | daemon, doubt it, most people would install less and build up instead of the other way around |
| 00:23.18 | daemon | i had no choice |
| 00:23.22 | Titan8990 | daemon, you have special circumstances |
| 00:23.24 | daemon | i got thrown on this box from hell |
| 00:23.33 | daemon | het Titan8990 honest decision here |
| 00:23.42 | daemon | i coudl choose gentoo BASE ONLY from their config menu |
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| 00:23.48 | daemon | but there is no 'debian minimal' |
| 00:23.59 | daemon | debian comes pre installed with a laod of stuff I jsut dont need |
| 00:24.06 | daemon | would you prune out the stuff one by one on debian |
| 00:24.09 | daemon | or format it to gentoo |
| 00:24.16 | Titan8990 | daemon, you will spend more time with gentoo but might be more confortable with it coming from bsd |
| 00:24.25 | Titan8990 | daemon, portage is a bit like ports |
| 00:24.39 | daemon | Titan8990, the comedy is I only need lighttpd, perl & postgres |
| 00:24.50 | daemon | packages are fine for that |
| 00:25.24 | Titan8990 | daemon, there are no packages in gentoo |
| 00:25.29 | Titan8990 | daemon, source compile only |
| 00:25.32 | daemon | yes its all compiled |
| 00:26.09 | mahoney | heh i just switched from fbsd to debian today |
| 00:26.26 | Titan8990 | i just switched from gentoo to debian last week |
| 00:26.28 | themill | "aptitude purge ~i ~pstandard+ ~prequired+ ~pimportant+" will do more or less what you want |
| 00:26.28 | daemon | mahoney, (im not trolling) why? |
| 00:26.38 | mahoney | well got rid of my last fbsd server - goodbye broken unmaintained ports |
| 00:26.45 | daemon | themill, thank you :) |
| 00:26.52 | mahoney | daemon: i got sick of ports not working |
| 00:27.02 | daemon | mahoney, ok |
| 00:27.17 | mahoney | nothing pisses me off more than trying to install trivial stuff on some server of mine after a fresh portsnap |
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| 00:27.24 | mahoney | and having it broken |
| 00:27.49 | daemon | the only issue I ever had was ports was with the xfce86->xorg move |
| 00:28.16 | mahoney | hah |
| 00:28.19 | mahoney | yah i bet that was fun |
| 00:28.25 | daemon | 2 days |
| 00:28.35 | daemon | I just did pkg_delete -a; rm -Rf /usr/local etc... |
| 00:28.49 | daemon | it seems the latest crisis will be with the python25->26 move |
| 00:28.57 | vlt | Hello. I'm running Debian lenny on a self-compiled kernel 2.6.18. Any drawbacks to expect from this setup? |
| 00:29.33 | Titan8990 | vlt, you won't be able to install binary kernel modules via apt |
| 00:29.56 | epsilon | + possible vulnerabilities of the kernel |
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| 00:31.28 | vlt | Titan8990: Ok, no problem. |
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| 00:34.02 | daemon | themill, Excellent advise worked perfectly, whichever god you believe in will bless you with 7 sacred virgins who can renew their virginity at will |
| 00:35.37 | Titan8990 | themill, yep, i learned something too |
| 00:35.47 | themill | aptitude++ :) |
| 00:36.12 | daemon | Titan8990, odd question I cant install postgres or lighty because of Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! |
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| 00:36.12 | daemon | how do I force a reinstall of NFS common utilities |
| 00:36.21 | daemon | apparently the failed pacakge is nfs-common |
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| 00:36.57 | mahoney | sudo apt-get install --reinstall nfs-common? |
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| 00:37.21 | daemon | Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! |
| 00:37.24 | daemon | still failing |
| 00:37.31 | daemon | why the hell would I need NFS for a web server |
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| 00:37.43 | daemon | can i tell it to ignore it and carry on |
| 00:38.34 | mahoney | i wonder what it's trying to start |
| 00:38.42 | mahoney | statd obviously |
| 00:38.47 | daemon | invoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-common, action "start" failed. |
| 00:38.47 | daemon | dpkg: error processing nfs-common (--configure): |
| 00:38.47 | dpkg | daemon: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 00:38.50 | daemon | for the full error |
| 00:38.50 | mahoney | check var/log/messages? |
| 00:39.11 | daemon | mahoney, no visible errors |
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| 00:39.47 | daemon | ah ha its ok I got it |
| 00:39.51 | mahoney | what was ut |
| 00:39.53 | mahoney | it |
| 00:40.12 | daemon | I rebooted and it worked ^ShrugS^ |
| 00:40.21 | mahoney | hmm |
| 00:40.27 | daemon | stale lock possible |
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| 00:51.03 | stone | using Lenny...i have the ICH10 chipset and using the ALSA ver. 1.0.17 (from Synaptic) If i have Iceweasil open, for a while one a youtube video page (not playing) the sound will stop working. I have to kill Iceweasil, and do a /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart after that it will work. |
| 00:51.05 | stone | thought? |
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| 00:52.46 | stone | ...hmm. i guess i never use Epiphany....and havent tried Opera yet. |
| 00:52.48 | stone | Will do.....good call |
| 00:52.49 | mahoney | you hate firefox that much? |
| 00:52.53 | stone | whats goin on with the status' here? |
| 00:52.59 | mahoney | it's called a netsplit |
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| 00:53.23 | mahoney | some irc server split from another and then restored connection thus resulting in the people on the other side rejoining |
| 00:53.45 | stone | no....i love firefox. its just that iceweasil is firefox with out the stupid icon...i have never run into any problems ruinning any firefox plugins etc |
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| 00:53.51 | stone | got it |
| 00:54.04 | mahoney | oh is firefox iceweasel on debian? |
| 00:54.17 | mahoney | i haven't ran a debian machine with a head in a while and just came back so not sure |
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| 00:55.09 | stone | yea. there were issues with the copyrighting of the icon for firefox. so they recompiled it as Iceweasil....pretty much all the same code, just with a Globe and a Weasil, instead of a fox. |
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| 00:55.32 | stone | dumb if you ask me. but you gotta give it to the debian people....they stick to their guns when it comes to GNU/FOSS |
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| 00:55.45 | mahoney | yeah i've heard the horror stories |
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| 00:55.49 | mahoney | haven't experienced it yet ;p |
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| 00:58.01 | usb_user | You could just download firefox for the site, and sym link to it |
| 00:58.44 | stone | ...it really doesnt bother me that much. the other it would really do is pad the numbers on the mozilla site...and they just hit a billion or whatever it was...so i think they are doing just fine. ;-0 |
| 00:59.10 | usb_user | thats what I do, it |
| 00:59.24 | usb_user | oops, its just more up to date, so I just toss it into /opt/firefox |
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| 00:59.42 | stone | to each their own |
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| 01:00.51 | usb_user | plus I cant spell weasle |
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| 01:01.01 | stone | well..their you go. |
| 01:01.10 | mahoney | on the bright side you can get used to killall'ing a different name |
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| 01:02.42 | usb_user | so about sudo, I'm not using it now, should I start? I guess I'm just asking if there are any negatives that can come out of it |
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| 01:07.22 | peterrooney | usb_user: well, auth.log gets an entry every time you sudo <something>. how much hard drive space do you have? |
| 01:08.42 | peterrooney | usb_user: plus, the man page for the sudoers config file is long on theory and short on examples. It's unintentionally a great tutorial for EBNF |
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| 01:10.27 | usb_user | peterrooney, so I guess its better that I just su to root, then exit when done |
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| 01:10.47 | peterrooney | usbuser: i didn't say that. |
| 01:10.53 | peterrooney | usb_user: i didn't say that. |
| 01:11.42 | mahoney | usb_user: for me it adds a level of convenience |
| 01:11.54 | peterrooney | you can set up sudo to not need a password for frequently done things. |
| 01:11.55 | mahoney | aka not having to su up to do admin tasks |
| 01:12.19 | mahoney | i typically make my admin group not need a pass for issuing sudo commands but most would see that as taboo/insecure |
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| 01:12.39 | mahoney | unless you have confidence in your acl |
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| 01:13.34 | usb_user | what about using things like su -c "some command" |
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| 01:14.15 | peterrooney | usb_user: "Don't take the name of root in vain" |
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| 01:15.05 | usb_user | peterrooney, right, as in don't be root if you can do it as a normal user |
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| 01:15.42 | peterrooney | usb_user: exactly. with sudo, you can pick and choose which actions require a password and which ones don't |
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| 01:16.30 | usb_user | peterrooney, but a script with su -c "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade" would be fine |
| 01:16.38 | peterrooney | usb_user: it's never a bad idea to have root actions be difficult; i have my root shell configured with 'rm' aliased to 'rm -i' |
| 01:16.59 | peterrooney | usb_user: well, the script would wait on you entering a password. |
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| 01:17.20 | usb_user | it does, so i can just click, password, and all good |
| 01:17.36 | usb_user | peterrooney, it's my first script, it made me happy |
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| 01:21.29 | peterrooney | excellent! if you learn sudo, your second script can run without any input. you could maybe /join #bash |
| 01:21.37 | mahoney | haha |
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| 02:04.46 | linuxguy2009 | Hello I am getting ready to jigdo the Debian 5.0.2 DVD set but I was considering if I should just get the 64bit versions instead. I know flash is a major issue. Is there any major gain for me if i do or any other downsides? |
| 02:05.44 | Titan8990 | gaintsura, doesn't have a password and the it can be removed when your done with: passwd -l www-data |
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| 02:16.26 | enveezee | test |
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| 02:17.32 | enveezee | I installed Lenny just now on this Acer AspireOne and everything completed successful but when it boots in debian it does the "Begin: waiting for root fs" thing then drops into an (initramfs) shell saying that /dev/sda3 cannot be found |
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| 02:17.48 | enveezee | however I can then from that prompt successfully do a mount -t ext3 /dev/sda3 / |
| 02:18.04 | enveezee | so IDK what the hell is wrong or how to go about fixing it |
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| 02:19.56 | enveezee | so basically the kernel messages that say it finds device sda and has partitions sda1 sda2 sda3 and sda4, and the fact that it mounts the f'n thing when I do it manually seems to mean its f'n lying to me saying it can't find it |
| 02:20.00 | enveezee | I don't get that |
| 02:20.27 | enveezee | never had anything in debian just outright lie to me before |
| 02:20.39 | enveezee | thought it happened a few times then realized I was just wrong.. heh |
| 02:21.12 | enveezee | however this time I can't figure out why it would tell me it can't find a partition when it just said the kernel found it, then I can mount it.. |
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| 02:22.08 | peterrooney | enveezee: what does fstab say about sda3? |
| 02:22.22 | enveezee | idk the fstab is ON SDA3 silly |
| 02:22.30 | enveezee | the system wont boot :-P |
| 02:22.55 | peterrooney | enveezee: but it will boot single, won't it? |
| 02:23.01 | enveezee | sda1 is acer restore, sda2 is Winxp, sda3 is ext3 debian lenny root partition, and sda4 is swap |
| 02:23.49 | enveezee | havent tried.. but I doubt it.. it just says waiting for root fs then drops to a shell that says couln't find sda3 which is the root partition and the prompt is "(initramfs) |
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| 02:24.20 | enveezee | I'm on xp right now.. I'll boot my thinkpad so I can chat and test on here |
| 02:24.22 | peterrooney | enveezee: i seem to recall that file system mounts are bad juju. example: there is a relatively common error message , "unable to stop. none busy." |
| 02:25.00 | enveezee | booting the thinkpad right now it says Begin: mounting root filesystem |
| 02:25.02 | peterrooney | and, as it turned out, it was a totally valid error message, and useful once i understood it. |
| 02:25.08 | ZX81 | hi all, I'm going absolutely crazy with apache2 - it downloads index.php as a source file, but processes others as php - any ideas? |
| 02:25.13 | enveezee | on this one it says something more like Begin: waiting for root filesystem |
| 02:25.22 | enveezee | wtf is it waiting for? lol |
| 02:25.41 | ZX81 | tried apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5, apt-get install apache2 followed by php5 |
| 02:25.57 | ZX81 | cleared cache, reset safari |
| 02:26.24 | ZX81 | I would understand if it downloaded all as source (i.e. module not enabled) |
| 02:26.50 | ZX81 | heh also, if I go to http://servername/ it processes index.php |
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| 02:27.03 | ZX81 | if I go to http://servername/index.php it downloads it |
| 02:27.23 | enveezee | is also known as nvz.. I'm rebooting this machine to debian (or trying to) already in here as nvz from a remote server I'm about to login to from another machine |
| 02:27.23 | ZX81 | any ideas? |
| 02:27.42 | ZX81 | oh, and tried firefox too |
| 02:28.07 | peterrooney | enveezee: do you have a USB thumbdrive or USB external attached? |
| 02:28.15 | nvz | no not at this time |
| 02:28.20 | nvz | though I did install from one |
| 02:28.35 | nvz | is enveezee who is leaving now |
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| 02:29.40 | nvz | Ok I'm booting again on the acer to see exatly what it says.. |
| 02:30.19 | nvz | it gets to Begin: Mounting root filesystem ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ... done. \n Begin: Waiting for root file system ... |
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| 02:30.24 | nvz | and hangs for about a minute or so |
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| 02:31.42 | ZX81 | meh, will have to get customers to install crappy redhat stuff instead then - working there |
| 02:32.34 | nvz | well its more than a minute I guess cause I am still waiting |
| 02:33.02 | nvz | ah. here it is.. says "Gave up waiting for root device" |
| 02:33.05 | peterrooney | nvz: could be a problem with SATA, SCSI, IDE - see http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11653 - installer has a different drive naming convention and/or a different drive order. |
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| 02:33.27 | peterrooney | nvz: i'm assuming GRUB ? |
| 02:33.37 | nvz | well thats a possibility, but the kernel messages right above this detect SDA with 4 partitions |
| 02:33.47 | nvz | so I don't think thats it |
| 02:34.18 | nvz | the message suggests some things I didn't try.. using rootdelay= to wait longer, or root= with the correct device |
| 02:34.38 | nvz | which the device is right cause kernel messages show an SDA with sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 |
| 02:34.43 | peterrooney | grub may be looking for hda. |
| 02:34.55 | SuperMiguel | how do i know if swap is mounted and working? |
| 02:34.57 | nvz | and waiting longer than 2 minutes is ridiculous so thats not really and option.. |
| 02:35.23 | peterrooney | SuperMiguel: free |
| 02:35.25 | nvz | either way I'll consult the debian acer aspireone wiki for a few min and double check grub settings and come back if I have a further problem |
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| 02:35.40 | ZX81 | heh, turns out my ISP has some retarded caching |
| 02:35.45 | nvz | I had some more ideas sitting here talking to ya about it.. heh |
| 02:35.46 | SuperMiguel | peterrooney, thanks. |
| 02:35.48 | ZX81 | replaced with ip address |
| 02:35.53 | nvz | thanks for the brainstorming.. hehe |
| 02:36.08 | SuperMiguel | why 8gb of ram does it really make a diff in performace comparing |
| 02:36.22 | SuperMiguel | why 8gb of ram does it really make a diff in performace comparing fluxbox with gnome? |
| 02:36.25 | peterrooney | nvz: You're welcome. I like hard but tractable problems |
| 02:36.48 | nvz | well I'll be back in a bit and I'll let ya know either way if you're around |
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| 02:37.10 | circassia | hi |
| 02:37.13 | mahoney | SuperMiguel: other variables involved in it not just ram, but basically it comes down to one WM has more features than the other |
| 02:37.49 | mahoney | SuperMiguel: not that it's any of my business but have you tried xfce? |
| 02:38.16 | SuperMiguel | mahoney, nup but let me give it try. apt-get install xfce4? |
| 02:38.21 | mahoney | yar |
| 02:38.34 | mahoney | it's my choice for the most part, not so bloated not so minimal |
| 02:38.57 | SuperMiguel | mahoney, ima try it |
| 02:38.58 | mahoney | and i love thunar |
| 02:39.03 | zoster | what's the advantage of xfce over gnome? |
| 02:39.28 | mahoney | zoster: resrources |
| 02:39.30 | mahoney | resources |
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| 02:39.48 | mahoney | and simplicit |
| 02:39.49 | mahoney | y |
| 02:40.17 | zoster | with all that cheap ram and cpu i don't think it's that much of advantage |
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| 02:40.41 | daemon | speaking of cpus and ram |
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| 02:40.59 | macrobat | xfwm can do a few things metacity doesnt do |
| 02:41.35 | mahoney | zoster: despite how gnarley the machine is that i'm working with, despite a plethora of resources, i still go with xfce |
| 02:41.38 | mahoney | it's clean |
| 02:42.13 | zoster | mahoney, see your point |
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| 02:43.11 | mahoney | and i love thunar |
| 02:43.26 | macrobat | its easier to change themes in gnome and there is no menu editor in xfce4.5 and above |
| 02:43.27 | mahoney | and hate nautilus |
| 02:43.28 | mahoney | :P |
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| 02:43.39 | mahoney | menu editor/ |
| 02:43.54 | mahoney | you can add anything you want to as far as launchers go |
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| 02:44.05 | mahoney | including in the main menu |
| 02:44.34 | macrobat | do you have a link to a good tut for that, mahoney ? |
| 02:44.55 | daemon | hey just a random survey |
| 02:45.07 | mahoney | macrobat: nope |
| 02:45.10 | daemon | who here still uses gnome and not xfce,fluxbox or something not KDE/GNOME |
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| 02:45.24 | macrobat | i´d like my rightclick menu to be like in xfce4.4, more openbox-like |
| 02:45.46 | mahoney | i stopped using gnome once sshfs/fuse evolved as i only used gnome for virtual mounts |
| 02:45.46 | peterrooney | !poll |
| 02:45.47 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 02:46.06 | mahoney | macrobat: it's doable |
| 02:46.45 | macrobat | ok, i have to read and think and experiment :( |
| 02:46.51 | macrobat | haha |
| 02:47.05 | mahoney | yes basically you have to make youself learn :) |
| 02:50.35 | zoster | mahoney, that's quite awkward ;-)) |
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| 02:54.56 | epifanio | hi All, i've a newbie question |
| 02:55.03 | epifanio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.21 | mahoney | zoster: i know i'm not a fan of it myself |
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| 02:56.44 | epifanio | it is not possible to install the packages telling debian i already have some dependence installed on my system, and avoid to use the repo version, right? |
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| 03:01.36 | peterrooney | epifanio: it is possible |
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| 03:02.01 | peterrooney | epifanio: but why are you wanting to? |
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| 03:03.18 | epifanio | peterrooney: how can i do? i need to install some packages that uses the gdal library, on debian gis i have version 1.5.4 but i already have the 1.7 (svn) version (and some source application compiled on it) |
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| 03:04.29 | peterrooney | man dpkg ; look for force-depends |
| 03:04.52 | epifanio | ok i'll google on it |
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| 03:05.07 | peterrooney | epifanio: not google. man page. |
| 03:05.28 | epifanio | yes i just typed it in bash |
| 03:05.30 | peterrooney | epifanio: be sure to manually remove the more recent version |
| 03:05.52 | epifanio | remove? |
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| 03:06.09 | SuperMiguel | is there a hd tach or hd tune for linux?? |
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| 03:07.49 | peterrooney | epifanio: cd /usr/src/gdal (or whereever it may be) and make uninstall. it's usually a Bad Thing (TM) to have two versions of the same software living in the same system. |
| 03:08.42 | epifanio | yes this is the reason i'm asking to use the src installation for gdal, instaed of the repository version |
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| 03:10.43 | epifanio | peterrooney: you suggest me to remove the source installation ? |
| 03:10.47 | peterrooney | epifanio: OH, I think I get it. you want the package marked as installed, but you want your system to use the svn version |
| 03:10.56 | epifanio | +yes |
| 03:11.18 | peterrooney | epifanio: then do not remove the source. |
| 03:12.17 | epifanio | yes, i can't remove it beacouse i have some other source installed configured and compiled using the svn version |
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| 03:13.09 | epifanio | but tring to add some other libs/apps from the debian repository, it want install the gdal from repository as well (i need to avoid this) |
| 03:13.10 | peterrooney | epifanio: i would try # dpkg -L gdal |
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| 03:14.00 | epifanio | peterrooney: what does it do ? |
| 03:14.01 | peterrooney | this will show what files to remove, eg # /bin/rm `dpkg -L gdal` # DO NOT USE -f OR -r SWITCHES |
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| 03:14.10 | GhostlyDeath | would be be advisable to remove the locales in /usr/share/locale? |
| 03:14.20 | peterrooney | dpkg -L lists all files involved in a package |
| 03:14.21 | dpkg | ii lists all files involved in a package 1.3-4.1 peterrooney's private porn collection |
| 03:14.35 | peterrooney | GhostlyDeath: apt-get install localepurge |
| 03:14.51 | peterrooney | heh. that's funnny. |
| 03:15.08 | GhostlyDeath | peterrooney: nice, thanks |
| 03:15.11 | peterrooney | epifanio: dpkg -L <package name> lists all files in that package |
| 03:15.22 | epifanio | it tell me : gdal is not installed (infact i haven't installed) |
| 03:15.45 | GhostlyDeath | I got all these useless language support files that waste space on my EEEPC |
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| 03:18.30 | peterrooney | GhostlyDeath: then apt-get install localepurge can help. you tell it which locales you want to keep (eg. en-GB or en-US or de-EMACS ) |
| 03:18.36 | epifanio | peterrooney: the repo version i means, is not installed |
| 03:18.50 | flourish | hello all, if i want to create an auto-loadable cd, which channel i should go |
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| 03:19.14 | peterrooney | epifanio: you first install it (with dpkg or apt-get), then manually remove all the files |
| 03:19.46 | flourish | i guess xargs may help |
| 03:19.47 | peterrooney | epifanio: then you make sure that your svn setup installs the files to the same locations indicated by dpkg -L |
| 03:20.06 | epifanio | and the app that needs it? will find my source installation instead of the repo version ? |
| 03:20.07 | flourish | or a for statement |
| 03:20.07 | epifanio | ah! |
| 03:20.11 | peterrooney | epifanio: sorry, meant "by dpkg -l gdal" |
| 03:20.39 | peterrooney | epifanio: sorry, what i -really- meant was "by dpkg -L gdal" |
| 03:20.59 | nvz | peterrooney: apparently it was due to installing from a USB device, during install the hd was sdc |
| 03:21.32 | peterrooney | epifanio: i'm pretty sure that some expert here will tell us that there is a proper Debian Way to do this, but my way might work. |
| 03:21.55 | peterrooney | nvz: i feel like an expert today. thank you. |
| 03:22.09 | epifanio | peterrooney: "by" is a not ound command |
| 03:22.15 | nvz | hah. I feel like a moron. I should have seen that |
| 03:22.32 | nvz | I've been using debian and hanging out here for like 10 years |
| 03:22.38 | nvz | not to mention I'm linux certified |
| 03:23.22 | peterrooney | epifanio: the command you run is dpkg -L gdal |
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| 03:24.03 | nvz | sometimes when you know so much you overthink the simple problems |
| 03:24.04 | peterrooney | nvz: what do you have to do to be certified? i've thought about it a few times, but where I work, they believe in results, not certificates. |
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| 03:24.16 | nvz | just gotta take a step back and look at it from a different angle |
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| 03:24.35 | trazan | test macrobat |
| 03:24.39 | nvz | peterrooney: there are vendor certs from like redhat and suse, I'm just CompTIA Linux+ Certified |
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| 03:24.46 | epifanio | well it tell me : gdal is not installed, use dpkg-deb --info to examine archive files |
| 03:25.03 | nvz | peterrooney: just says to people I have a general profeciency in all flavors of linux |
| 03:25.12 | epifanio | and --contents to list their contents |
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| 03:25.32 | peterrooney | epifanio: well, you can download the .deb without installing it using 'apt-get --download-only install gdal' |
| 03:25.41 | SexyKen | Hey all, I set the "DS" line to "DSrelay.mydomain.com" on a debian machine, anything else I should have to do to see that e-mails are relayed to another machine |
| 03:25.51 | nvz | peterrooney: I've been meaning to get into the debian mentors program and become a DD for years.. just never got around to it. If you ask me that says more about your knowledge and commitment to linux than any cert |
| 03:26.02 | trakcyia | I tried to remove the kernel module ath9k using modprobe -r ath9k. It did not work, the module still loads at boot |
| 03:26.21 | nvz | I liked that minimum profit editor that is not in lenny, I'm guessing cause nobody maintains it anymore |
| 03:26.37 | nvz | so I'm sure I could find packages to maintain that would make a difference to me at least if not other people |
| 03:26.42 | peterrooney | trakcyia: is it listed in /etc/modules? |
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| 03:27.21 | nvz | sometimes I just want to edit a f'n file, don't need an editor thats more than an editor |
| 03:27.22 | peterrooney | nvz: heh. maybe i should adopt / package the brushed-metal-tigert e16 theme. I miss it in lenny. |
| 03:27.23 | trakcyia | peterrooney no |
| 03:28.01 | nvz | and nano that is installed by default is just total crap.. doesn't even have a simple yank function and the on-screen idiot menu is annoying |
| 03:28.12 | peterrooney | trakcyia: iirc, /etc/modprobe/blacklist. |
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| 03:28.17 | nvz | mped was a great editor for simple config file modification |
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| 03:28.32 | homies | hello, can someone tell-me what mean these messages that appear in my /var/log/messages : http://pastebin.com/d4f86bead , when this happen the load increases so much more than 500 and the server completly freezes, and a reboot needs to be issued. |
| 03:28.38 | trakcyia | I will addd it to the blacklist if this becomes too time consuming, but I would prefer it be removed as to not potentially confuse ndiswrapper with "alternate drivers" |
| 03:28.39 | Mikaze | SexyKen: You mean like the ~/.forward file? |
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| 03:29.19 | peterrooney | !start an editor war |
| 03:29.19 | dpkg | emacs users are really backwards |
| 03:30.04 | trakcyia | since I dont know how ndiswrapper handles device matching modules, I want the module removed. |
| 03:30.10 | nvz | when it comes to advanced editors I'm more of an emacs person |
| 03:30.26 | trakcyia | It DOES recognize them and that alarms me |
| 03:30.27 | nvz | vi takes what, f'n 4 keystrokes just to exit and write a file? |
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| 03:30.43 | nvz | I'd like to beat vi users with a f'n macro |
| 03:30.48 | trakcyia | OK thon, blacklist it is. |
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| 03:31.26 | GhostlyDeath | peterrooney: localepurge wasn't working initially but I purged it =P and then reinstalled it along with one of it's suggestion and it worked out |
| 03:31.38 | GhostlyDeath | I got back 300MB of valuable space! |
| 03:31.44 | nvz | I just don't understand programs that make complex things easy at the expense of making easy things complex |
| 03:31.47 | peterrooney | trakcyia: just be sure to remember it when it comes time to use an atheros card. |
| 03:31.47 | Mikaze | likes vim, but it sounds like crap now with a SpeakUP modified kernel. |
| 03:31.57 | nvz | haha |
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| 03:32.18 | trakcyia | I am trying to use an atheros card, hence the "device matching" commont |
| 03:32.42 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's 6 or so in emacs... |
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| 03:33.37 | nvz | dondelelcaro: idk never really used emacs.. vi or vim is installed by default usually so I use it when I have to |
| 03:33.51 | trakcyia | Question: Does a module have to be unloaded before it can be removed with modprobe? |
| 03:34.12 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I just liked minimum profit editor for simple modifications to configs.. its an editor that starts up in edit mode.. imagine that.. in fact thats the only mode it has.. heh |
| 03:34.17 | Mikaze | rmmod removes modules. |
| 03:34.25 | dondelelcaro | trakcyia: thats what modprobe does... |
| 03:34.59 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I assume its not in lenny because it didn't have a maintainer.. though I haven't looked into it yet |
| 03:35.31 | GhostlyDeath | hmm, what |
| 03:35.32 | GhostlyDeath | err |
| 03:35.41 | GhostlyDeath | what's the strip start and endign whitespace command again? |
| 03:35.47 | dondelelcaro | nvz: whatever works for you.. i personally use both and it doesn't really matter to me |
| 03:35.49 | trakcyia | Unload = remove? |
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| 03:36.15 | homies | hello, can someone tell-me what mean these messages that appear in my /var/log/messages : http://pastebin.com/d4f86bead , when this happen the load increases so much more than 500 and the server completly freezes, and a reboot needs to be issued. |
| 03:36.25 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah I use whatever is available.. its just annoying when you are trying to do a simple task quickly and you end up having to use something other than your preference |
| 03:36.57 | nvz | dondelelcaro: especially when you fire it up, have to tell it you want to edit (when its a damn text editor) then have to incant a spell just to exit and save |
| 03:37.01 | dondelelcaro | nvz: that's why knowing at least basic vi is important |
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| 03:37.26 | nvz | yeah I can grok vi, I just prefer to use a simple editor for most things |
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| 03:37.30 | Mikaze | trakcyia: Change the symlinks in in /etc/alternatives/editor* |
| 03:37.37 | nvz | only fancy function I use a lot is the yank line |
| 03:37.43 | nvz | and nano doesn't have that |
| 03:38.30 | dondelelcaro | nvz: I personally use the rect edit modes a lot, so they're almost essential |
| 03:38.58 | Mikaze | Or 'export EDITOR=<your editor pref>' |
| 03:39.14 | Mikaze | in .bashrc |
| 03:39.29 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I'm sure if I did more coding and sat down and explored the things those editors could do to save me time, I'd appreciate them more. I just 99% of the time am just doing a simple one line modification to a config file |
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| 03:39.49 | pickcoder | homies: something is running amuck |
| 03:40.02 | dondelelcaro | actually has a sane-editor command to pick an editor that he can live with... |
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| 03:40.39 | nvz | dondelelcaro: bottom line is those more popular editors like emacs and vi were designed for hackers, by hackers... people who don't hack code all the time just won't ever understand |
| 03:41.04 | trakcyia | When I type editor it loads nano |
| 03:41.07 | trakcyia | Haha |
| 03:41.21 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah. I probably spend about 30% of my time at the computer in an editor |
| 03:41.44 | pickcoder | homies: oom-killer is trying to free up memory by killing processes that it sees fit |
| 03:41.46 | nvz | growing up, to me hacking was in some kind of dos debug style thing, and an editor was something along the lines of dos's editor |
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| 03:42.02 | trakcyia | OK time consumption maximum reached, time to blacklist it thanks for the help and suggestions |
| 03:42.10 | Mikaze | editor is a symlink to nano in /etc/alternatives. |
| 03:42.38 | dondelelcaro | right... it's the fallback for sensible-editor |
| 03:42.39 | pickcoder | find out what's creating a memory sinkhole or triggering oom-killer to mow down processes |
| 03:42.58 | pickcoder | I see "mail" as the hostname so maybe it's a mail filter |
| 03:43.08 | nvz | I wish I hadn;t learned on things like a TI99/4a, Apple II*, Atari PC, or old 8086 machines running MS DOS.. then I wouldn't have so many bad habits |
| 03:43.16 | trakcyia | yeah I can see It's really important that I learn to manipulate the sym links thanks for pointing me to that dir |
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| 03:44.10 | nvz | By time I got on a real system I had already be hard-wired to do things the hard way |
| 03:44.32 | pickcoder | trakcyia: also see man update-alternatives |
| 03:45.14 | nvz | speaking of doing things the hard way, I just realized I shut this machine down without fixing the grub configs to point to the right device.. heh |
| 03:45.42 | trakcyia | lol nvz |
| 03:45.57 | Mikaze | man update-alternatives for more info about the alternatives system. |
| 03:46.06 | nvz | oh well.. I'm too busy thinking about how fucked up my friends are and trying not to be pissed off about it |
| 03:46.27 | Mikaze | Get new friends. |
| 03:46.29 | peterrooney | nvz: i think e2label may be able to help you, since grub can use disk UUIDs |
| 03:46.40 | nvz | I reached a point in my life, with the same friends I've had since I was like 5 years old, that if they let me down or piss me off, its my own fault |
| 03:46.48 | nvz | I know them well enough that I could avoid that |
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| 03:47.16 | nvz | expecting more of someone you know that well and being disapointed is your own fault |
| 03:47.22 | pickcoder | nvz: you'd really hate the update process in Pick if you don't like VI |
| 03:47.24 | cydork | translation: he got dope!! |
| 03:47.29 | pickcoder | ~update processor |
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| 03:47.39 | cydork | hmm i need coffee.. |
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| 03:49.01 | pickcoder | homies: what's ironic is that oom-killer was supposed to help prevent the situation you're seeing with it in action. :/ |
| 03:49.18 | nvz | pickcoder: my main issues with vi style editors is for one I hate the ~ crap on empty lines, I hate the fact the editor generally starts in a mode other than edit mode.. which to me is utterly insane, and that I have to issue actual commands to it like a shell instead of using simple macros I can trigger without a long list of keystokes |
| 03:49.52 | pickcoder | heh.. like I said you'd really hate the UP in Pick.. :P |
| 03:49.57 | nvz | pickcoder: and like I said, since I don't do complex stuff in an editor typically the features it can offer aren't important to me |
| 03:50.07 | pickcoder | almost everything is CTRL<a bunch of keys in sequence> |
| 03:50.10 | nvz | it makes complex things simple, but it makes simple things complex |
| 03:50.16 | Mikaze | just hates that nano lets you cursor past the left side of the screen. |
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| 03:51.10 | sanmarcos | there is no update-alternatives for the normal user? |
| 03:51.12 | nvz | Mikaze: yeah and it does that dumb $ crap to indicate you're past the edge of the screen.. heh |
| 03:51.27 | nvz | makes it a royal PITA when you wanna copy something |
| 03:51.47 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: why would a normal user need to change system binary pointers? |
| 03:52.12 | nvz | having to side scroll in a text based program is just evil |
| 03:52.33 | nvz | side scrolling in general is rather evil |
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| 03:52.51 | nvz | terminals were made to wrap for a reason |
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| 03:53.19 | Mikaze | would still be using vim if it didn't say characters twice when typing them. They did something with their screen handling routines that makes working with screen readers for the blind a real biatch. |
| 03:54.49 | nvz | Mikaze: if you're blind and your computer speaks everything, #debian probably isn't the place for you.. heh. your computer would not be able to keep up |
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| 03:55.23 | nvz | I'd hate to think of being in a room with all you people talking at once |
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| 03:55.51 | Mikaze | grins. Yep. It crashes constantly with long dir lisings. Luckily, I can restart it with a keypress. |
| 03:55.56 | nvz | though you'd probably like me a whole lot better, cause I'd shut up more |
| 03:56.23 | heffay | im a little confused here. i see kde4 package in the experimental repository but but when i try to aptitude install it says no candidate |
| 03:56.24 | nvz | I don't talk much at all in large groups.. I can't keep up with filtering all the input much less thinking and talking |
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| 03:57.05 | nvz | any more than 2 or 3 other people and I'm not likely to say anything.. unless I'm drunk.. heh |
| 03:57.35 | nvz | in which case I'm probably not paying attention to most of what is said anyhow |
| 03:57.40 | Mikaze | heffay: Read the Debian Reference Guide about multiple apt sources in the /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
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| 03:58.39 | heffay | i already have sid and experimental enabled |
| 03:59.44 | Mikaze | Then it's functioning properly. |
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| 04:00.44 | hacker_kid | does anyone see anything wrong with this /etc/network/interfaces file http://pastebin.com/m2e670173 ? |
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| 04:01.10 | hacker_kid | im just verifying that i didnt do something stupid (as a failure would drop connectivity till the local admin fixed it, hours if not days) |
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| 04:06.07 | taiyedbrodel | I just installed deluge, fire it up and nothing happens |
| 04:06.11 | taiyedbrodel | any idea? |
| 04:06.25 | thneed | I keep trying to install the newest version of wine, but I cannot get apt-get install to work, or dpkg -i there are errors |
| 04:06.37 | thneed | not sure why, errors site teh.deb file |
| 04:06.48 | thneed | *the .deb |
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| 04:10.09 | taiyedbrodel | anyone? |
| 04:10.15 | Snadder | Anyone know where I can get adobe flash player 10 to debian lenny? |
| 04:10.46 | Snadder | On adobe.com's flash player page I only see one for ubuntu.. but playback dosnt work when I use it |
| 04:11.01 | heffay | anyone? |
| 04:11.21 | sanmarcos | !flash |
| 04:11.22 | dpkg | flash is probably frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 04:11.23 | sanmarcos | !keep |
| 04:11.27 | sanmarcos | !hold |
| 04:11.28 | dpkg | hmm... hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
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| 04:12.35 | sanmarcos | taiyedbrodel: run it in console. |
| 04:12.58 | taiyedbrodel | sanmarcos i did it, nothing happens |
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| 04:13.16 | taiyedbrodel | I ran it as a user, as a root, it fires the procces but not the gui i think |
| 04:13.30 | sanmarcos | taiyedbrodel: #deluge |
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| 04:14.24 | ajnewbold | sorry for the noobish question, but I noticed that the apache2 installation sets root as the owner of /var/www and the files within |
| 04:14.40 | ajnewbold | just wondering what's the best way to make that editable by other users? |
| 04:14.45 | ajnewbold | (without breaking stuff) |
| 04:14.48 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: it doesnt |
| 04:14.55 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: hmmm, odd, it did for me |
| 04:14.59 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: is group adm? |
| 04:15.21 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: not sure what that means. But /www/var contains just index.html, and the owner and group are both "root" |
| 04:15.27 | ajnewbold | this was after doing apt-get install apache2 |
| 04:15.28 | thneed | I keep trying to install the newest version of wine, but I cannot get apt-get install to work, or dpkg -i there are errors |
| 04:15.33 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: lenny? |
| 04:15.36 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: yes |
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| 04:16.10 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: I usually just chown www-data:www-data and do 770 and add myself to www-data, or you could add yourself to adm group (whcih is used by a lot of stuff in /var/" |
| 04:16.15 | sanmarcos | you will have to relogin |
| 04:16.23 | sanmarcos | thneed: post the errors to a pastebin |
| 04:16.28 | sanmarcos | !tell thneed about pastebine |
| 04:16.30 | sanmarcos | !tell thneed about pastebine |
| 04:16.33 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: kay, that sounds good, thanks :) |
| 04:16.35 | sanmarcos | !tell thneed about pastebin |
| 04:16.51 | heffay | im a little confused here. i see kde4 package in the experimental repository but but when i try to aptitude install it says no candidate |
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| 04:17.09 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: yeah dunno why it is like that, I like doing recursive chowns/mods to 770, www-data, though some apps like phpsysinfo break with that so be careful |
| 04:17.17 | sanmarcos | heffay: try -t experimental |
| 04:17.17 | thneed | http://pastebin.com/m483e5a68 |
| 04:17.27 | heffay | ive done that |
| 04:17.29 | heffay | still nothing |
| 04:17.36 | thneed | heffay: kde4-base? |
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| 04:17.56 | thneed | I just installed it yesterday, and kde alone did not work |
| 04:17.57 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: you need to relogin for group changes to apply |
| 04:18.12 | sanmarcos | thneed: you have amd64? if so, I Would suspect the package is corrupted |
| 04:18.14 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: gotcha. So chown /var/www www-data:www-data ? |
| 04:18.15 | heffay | im doing aptitude -t experimental install kde4, kde4 being the name of the package in the experimental repository according to the website |
| 04:18.21 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: and then chmod 770? |
| 04:18.34 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: you dont need to chown the folder, just the contents |
| 04:18.34 | heffay | aptitude says there is no package by that name |
| 04:18.42 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: ah... |
| 04:18.49 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: I usually use chown/chmod -R, 770 is user+rwx and group+rwx |
| 04:18.56 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: you could leave the user as root, there are many choices |
| 04:19.09 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: hmmm, but with the folder owned as root, the user I created for myself won't be able to write to it via sftp |
| 04:19.16 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: I might just run the box as root, heh |
| 04:19.26 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: it's starting to look like the most attractive option for more reasons than this :P |
| 04:19.36 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: if the user is in the group that has g+rwx in that folder then yes |
| 04:19.51 | ajnewbold | ah |
| 04:20.09 | sanmarcos | there is always sudo, too |
| 04:20.36 | ajnewbold | mm true |
| 04:21.00 | ajnewbold | I'm just used to using this one particular SFTP client and it doesn't really handle sudo very well (or at all actually) |
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| 04:23.12 | kryogenik | I have a bit of an issue with X under Debian unstable that I cannot see any good way to fix other than reinstalling Debian stable from scratch |
| 04:23.29 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: apache2-common installs /var/www |
| 04:23.48 | ajnewbold | hmm |
| 04:23.49 | kryogenik | (that is, the X server is horribly, horribly unstable and while I have found bug reports out there that seem to identify this issue, I have seen nothing on any good way around it) |
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| 04:24.04 | heffay | this is driving me mad |
| 04:24.06 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: should I have done that? |
| 04:24.27 | thneed | sanmarcos: not corrupt, other people are getting it to work |
| 04:24.28 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: done what its already done |
| 04:24.33 | kryogenik | I have tried downgrading xserver-xorg*, but unfortunately there is a nasty chain of dependencies that leads into GNOME that prevents that without totally downgrading the entirety of GNOME as well by hand |
| 04:24.40 | thneed | sanmarcos: talked to them in #winehq |
| 04:24.41 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: apache2-common vs apache2 |
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| 04:24.54 | sanmarcos | thneed: no idea then try googling |
| 04:25.39 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: ah sorry apache2-common is only for unstable |
| 04:25.45 | ajnewbold | ah |
| 04:25.53 | kryogenik | anyone know of any better way to deal with this X issue? |
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| 04:26.17 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: either chgrp to www-data or adm the www folder and be done with it |
| 04:26.37 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: good deal, appreciate the guidance :) |
| 04:26.49 | dondelelcaro | kryogenik: which x video driver are you using? |
| 04:26.56 | kryogenik | nv, but it does not matter which drivers I use |
| 04:27.03 | kryogenik | I get the same issue under vesa as well |
| 04:27.32 | dondelelcaro | kryogenik: and what exactly is the issue? |
| 04:27.56 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: 770 and 774 are good modes to use recursively on /var/www/ |
| 04:28.06 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: 775 sorry |
| 04:28.10 | kryogenik | X crashes a *lot*, either cleanly being restarted by gdm, being restarted by gdm but with the cursor being lost, or just simply scribbling all over video memory and completely locking the machine |
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| 04:28.58 | dondelelcaro | kryogenik: which version of X? have you enabled coredumps? |
| 04:29.03 | kryogenik | the main pattern that I have noticed with it is that the more activity from X clients, the more likely it will crash, and Iceweasel in particular tends to crash |
| 04:29.06 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: I'm the only one on the box, so I'm starting to wonder if I should just 777 it and go to bed, hehe |
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| 04:29.30 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: well if anybody has acces to any account then they could do whatever they want with it |
| 04:29.46 | ajnewbold | yeah, hopefully my insane password will prevent that from happening :P |
| 04:29.55 | ajnewbold | there's only one account |
| 04:29.57 | ajnewbold | beside root |
| 04:30.00 | sanmarcos | passwords are never good enough |
| 04:30.01 | ajnewbold | and it's mine :P |
| 04:30.04 | kryogenik | xserver-xorg 1:7.4+3 |
| 04:30.16 | sanmarcos | well what if somebody compromises a service that runs in a limited account ? |
| 04:30.17 | kryogenik | xserver-xorg-core 1:1.6.3-1 |
| 04:30.34 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: there are many, many more accounts than that one, but I think most or all have no login shells |
| 04:30.43 | kryogenik | xserver-xorg-video-nv 1:2.1.14-2 |
| 04:30.54 | ajnewbold | oh |
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| 04:31.03 | ajnewbold | sanmarcos: yeah, as you can tell, I'm quite the noob :P |
| 04:31.14 | kryogenik | I haven't tried coredumping, but it seems very close to similar issues in numerous bug reports out there, and I did not feel like creating another near-duplicate bug report |
| 04:32.07 | sanmarcos | ajnewbold: there are no real standards on linux, and if there are most of them are loose and vary distribution by distribution |
| 04:32.12 | kryogenik | ack - X.org died yet again - at least I have been running IRSSI from a virtual terminal and not from an xterm |
| 04:32.12 | dondelelcaro | kryogenik: that's fine, but theres no way to know what your problem is witout that info. |
| 04:32.46 | dondelelcaro | kryogenik: and you could always downgrade to the verasion in testing... |
| 04:33.04 | peterrooney | kryogenik: and use screen |
| 04:33.04 | kryogenik | I care less about how to solve the problem programmatically (I'm not an xorg developer) and am more interested how to avoid it |
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| 04:33.45 | kryogenik | I think testing is using xserver-xorg 1:7.4+3 |
| 04:33.47 | dondelelcaro | kryogenik: well, I'm personally interested in the first, not the second. |
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| 04:34.34 | kryogenik | I think it has been pretty well-established just where this crash is occurring in the bug reporst I've seen out there |
| 04:34.45 | kryogenik | and this is not a Debian-specific issue it seems either |
| 04:35.50 | kryogenik | I'm more concerned with just how I am to downgrade xorg-xserver* without having to deal with the dependency hell that seems to make such difficult at best (I cannot just go and uninstall GNOME and gdm altogether, as unfortunately my SO won't use the likes of fluxbox...) |
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| 04:36.40 | dondelelcaro | kryogenik: testing has 7.3 something |
| 04:37.55 | kryogenik | (the problem is gnome-session for some reason has a dependency with respect to xserver-xorg 1:7.4 |
| 04:37.58 | heffay | can someone hint me on how to install kde4 on testing? |
| 04:38.10 | sanmarcos | !kde4 |
| 04:38.10 | dpkg | it has been said that kde4 is the latest KDE version, available starting from <squeeze>. For more information, join #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:38.47 | kryogenik | and I cannot downgrade gnome-session without downgrading the whole of GNOME it seems |
| 04:39.03 | kryogenik | (that is, just about every app out there that uses any GNOME libraries really) |
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| 04:39.48 | kryogenik | trying to just forcibly downgrade xserver-xorg* without downgrading gnome-session seems to result in some very strange problems which practically render X+gdm unusable it seems |
| 04:39.53 | heffay | ok let me rephrase it, why cant apt find kde4 in experimental? |
| 04:40.09 | craigevil | why would you need exp? |
| 04:40.16 | craigevil | kde4.3 is in sid |
| 04:40.29 | heffay | its not finding it there either |
| 04:40.54 | kryogenik | (particularly, when I have gotten it working at all, xorg seems to not be able to access either the keyboard or the mouse for some reason in gdm) |
| 04:41.11 | DasEi | heffay : got to add the repos and keys |
| 04:41.20 | heffay | done... |
| 04:41.22 | craigevil | heffay: if its in your sources.list try aptitude -t unstable install kde-full |
| 04:41.27 | heffay | did that too |
| 04:41.28 | heffay | nothing |
| 04:41.50 | craigevil | heffay: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 04:42.16 | kryogenik | I was just wondering if anyone has managed to somehow get testing or unstable to work, considering that this seems to be a rather long-standing bug (the bug report I see for Debian testing dates back to February), and I would have thought that someone would have found *some* workaround other than simply reinstalling stable altogether |
| 04:42.18 | hacker_kid | can i disable an /etc/init.d item from starting up on boot but still be able to start it manually with /etc/init.d/foo start ? |
| 04:42.38 | heffay | http://pastebin.com/d40947478 |
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| 04:42.41 | craigevil | kryogenik: might try a different login manager like xdm or slim |
| 04:42.47 | TrentH | haha! |
| 04:42.56 | TrentH | I iz the TrentH. |
| 04:43.11 | kryogenik | if it weren't for my SO, I would ditch GNOME altogether |
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| 04:43.17 | kryogenik | but unfortunately I cannot do that... |
| 04:43.19 | TrentH | How do I enabled "tabbed file browsing" on GNOME? |
| 04:43.31 | TrentH | enable* |
| 04:43.43 | kryogenik | (as I think this is not really a gdm-specific issue but more a general GNOME issue...) |
| 04:46.32 | heffay | ? |
| 04:46.33 | TrentH | Anyobyd? |
| 04:46.40 | TrentH | Enable Tabbed File Browsing? |
| 04:47.26 | TrentH | Nevermind >.> |
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| 04:48.24 | msn | okey i have run into intresting problem, apparently debian has stopped packing ite8212 in the core package and no i have tried all debian net installs from 4.0r4 to 5.0.2 and i cant seem to install debian since my Hard disks dont get detected. on top of that if i try to use PATA compatibility mode my CDROMs dont get detected so installation doesn proceed |
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| 04:49.37 | heffay | where does it say that kde4 is in sid anyway? |
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| 04:50.38 | kc8pxy | i am working on a debian lenny server, and I'm trying ot get an ftp server setup for easier access for my website users. i've tried getting one package up and going, and it seems to not be working, or even have an invoke-rc.d-able script. i need easy, simple, setup and use.. which should i pick? |
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| 04:52.04 | heffay | i see everyone else is stumped too |
| 04:52.23 | TrentH | kc8pxy, what package are you trying to setup? |
| 04:52.41 | TrentH | Nvm, I mis-read your question. |
| 04:53.27 | TrentH | kc8pxy: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Setting_up_an_FTP_server_on_Debian |
| 04:53.30 | pickcoder | kc8pxy: proftpd? |
| 04:53.59 | TrentH | It's a ftp protocal. |
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| 04:54.24 | TrentH | Or kernel, however you wanna look at it. They've got Pure-FTPD and Pro-FTPD. |
| 04:54.30 | TrentH | Pro being the better out of the two. |
| 04:54.53 | heffay | can someone hint me on how to install kde4 on testing? |
| 04:55.41 | TrentH | uh... |
| 04:56.04 | TrentH | You know what server kde4 is on? |
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| 04:56.31 | heffay | experimental? |
| 04:56.48 | heffay | according to the website anyway... |
| 04:57.07 | TrentH | Here |
| 04:57.11 | TrentH | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html |
| 04:57.24 | heffay | that is no help |
| 04:57.43 | TrentH | Follow what that says, "lenny" doesn't have the correct repository's. You've got to use some of sid's. |
| 04:57.50 | heffay | ive done everything listed on there already |
| 04:58.18 | heffay | apt cant even FIND kde4 |
| 04:58.45 | TrentH | Did you setup your respostory's? |
| 04:58.51 | heffay | yes.. |
| 04:59.11 | TrentH | heffy |
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| 04:59.16 | TrentH | Stick this on your respostory. |
| 04:59.23 | TrentH | deb http://kde4.debian.net/ lenny main |
| 04:59.32 | heffay | im not running lenny |
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| 05:00.02 | TrentH | Well could of told me which one your using? |
| 05:00.15 | heffay | squeeze |
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| 05:00.23 | TrentH | oh thats right you said testing |
| 05:00.24 | TrentH | sorry |
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| 05:01.08 | TrentH | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main |
| 05:01.08 | TrentH | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main |
| 05:01.19 | TrentH | Are those added to your respostory? |
| 05:01.29 | heffay | no |
| 05:01.43 | heffay | wait |
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| 05:02.01 | TrentH | K. |
| 05:02.09 | TrentH | Add those, please. |
| 05:02.12 | heffay | yes but with a different locale. i already said i had sid and experimental enabeled |
| 05:02.41 | TrentH | k. |
| 05:02.51 | TrentH | put this in terminal: aptitude -t experimental install kde4 |
| 05:02.59 | heffay | ive already done that |
| 05:03.02 | TrentH | >.> |
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| 05:03.07 | TrentH | And it installs? |
| 05:03.10 | heffay | no |
| 05:03.14 | heffay | .. |
| 05:03.37 | heffay | as i said, apt cant even FIND kde4 |
| 05:03.45 | TrentH | hm. |
| 05:03.47 | Gruelius | Hey all, how do i extend a partition with fdisk. Do i need to use option u |
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| 05:04.02 | TrentH | lol. |
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| 05:04.04 | TrentH | heffay |
| 05:04.12 | TrentH | apt-get check |
| 05:04.14 | TrentH | apt-get update |
| 05:04.19 | TrentH | I suppose you've ran those? |
| 05:04.30 | heffay | indeed... |
| 05:04.39 | TrentH | XD |
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| 05:05.56 | sucode | show we the config file of apt |
| 05:06.26 | heffay | scroll up |
| 05:06.32 | heffay | i already pastebin'd it |
| 05:06.58 | TrentH | I'm stumped. |
| 05:07.44 | TrentH | It can't find "kde4" |
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| 05:08.17 | TrentH | Will you pastebin what you get when you run aptitude -t experimental install kde4 |
| 05:08.35 | TrentH | Also, heffay your respostory's aren't commented out are they? |
| 05:09.42 | TrentH | Heffay: can you pastebin your sources.list file as well? Thanks. |
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| 05:13.52 | heffay | that IS my sources file |
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| 05:17.27 | TrentH | Where? |
| 05:18.43 | sanmarcos | lintian always bitches about native-package-with-dash-version if you use .tar.bz2? |
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| 05:52.28 | kryogenik | as I am trying to get a package for libpixman 0.12.* or 0.13.*, and while packages seem to have been created for such, such are not available in the pool on a normal Debian mirror |
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| 05:57.25 | Pumuk_Lee | macmouse: restart your system, with booting udev set the normal priviligies for your /dev, maybe :> |
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| 06:16.51 | farhad_hf | hi |
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| 06:19.13 | farhad_hf | i have updated debian testing to experimental by using this command : apt-get -t experimental dist-upgrade , but after downloading packages and setting them up apt gave me this error : http://pastebin.ca/1520157 , can anyone hep me plz? |
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| 06:23.35 | tawan | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 06:33.34 | Quaoar | why hasn't debian stable updated iceweasel to 3.0.12? |
| 06:33.36 | TrentH | (:| |
| 06:33.45 | TrentH | I dunno Quaoar... |
| 06:34.09 | Quaoar | 3.0.12 fixes some security issues |
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| 06:34.37 | TrentH | 3.0.6 is the only version available in package manager. |
| 06:35.00 | Quaoar | i know |
| 06:35.30 | TrentH | Why hasn't Debian made an application to serve us fresh mashed potato's? |
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| 06:54.27 | spartacus | Hi. I have a question on make-kpkg. If I clean then run make-kpkg config xconfig --initrd binary-arch I don't appear to have my changes in the built kernel. Specifically, processor support (I've selected pentium-m and removed generic support). Any ideas, or steps that I'm missing? |
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| 07:05.40 | jony123 | has anyone here got a usb joystick to work as a mouse on debian? |
| 07:05.57 | NicoOOoOo | a une grosse envie de Béruriers Noirs this morning ;) |
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| 07:25.24 | junkY_San | hey, i'm using samba 3.2.5 on debian 64-bit. i want to copy files from a windows server with ntfs-acl flags. when i mount using smbmount or mount.cifs it doesn't read the ACLs from the server. |
| 07:26.23 | spartacus | junkY_San, i suspect that might get more answers in #samba |
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| 07:27.05 | junkY_San | i already asked in there. no answer yet ;) |
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| 07:28.10 | TrentH | Where does Wine install applications? |
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| 07:28.46 | rares | does debian have emacs 23 yet? |
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| 07:29.09 | ab3l_ | hi i've removed anything in var/log there's anything i need to re-create before restarting system to prevent issues ? |
| 07:29.29 | avtobiff | rares, take a look at packages.debian.org |
| 07:30.07 | kraut | moin |
| 07:30.12 | avtobiff | ab3l_, prevent issues? |
| 07:30.25 | ab3l_ | mean i noticed that apt |
| 07:30.31 | ab3l_ | begun missing var/log / apt |
| 07:30.40 | ab3l_ | i guess i some other app may hang |
| 07:30.51 | cydork | judd: versions emacs |
| 07:30.51 | judd | cydork: emacs -- etch: 21.4a+1-3etch1 etch-security: 21.4a+1-3etch1 lenny: 22.2+2-5 sid: 22.2+2-5 squeeze: 22.3+1-1.1 sid: 23.1+1-2 |
| 07:30.51 | ab3l_ | looking for some /var/log/foldername |
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| 07:31.14 | _Visiteur | héllo |
| 07:31.25 | avtobiff | ab3l_, so you removed all the logs... |
| 07:31.33 | ab3l_ | folde included :P |
| 07:32.03 | avtobiff | whats your problem? |
| 07:32.05 | _Visiteur | is it possible to watch a video with free driver "nv" in VLC ??? |
| 07:32.14 | ab3l_ | not a problem i just freed |
| 07:32.16 | ab3l_ | some space |
| 07:32.21 | ab3l_ | now just thinking |
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| 07:33.04 | ab3l_ | i just wanna prevent that next reboot it won't hang saying missing /varlog/lol |
| 07:33.06 | ab3l_ | :P |
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| 07:33.40 | diddy | I would like to install a new Debian system and would like to get a 2nd opinion on my partition layout: http://pastebin.ca/1520211 |
| 07:33.54 | _Visiteur | someone could help me plz ? :) |
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| 07:35.10 | peterrooney | diddy: shrink /home and put in a swap |
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| 07:36.06 | rares | sweet |
| 07:36.59 | diddy | peterrooney, oH my. I forgot the swap partition. Here is the update. Is /usr to large maybe? http://pastebin.ca/1520215 |
| 07:38.34 | peterrooney | diddy: /usr can never be too large |
| 07:38.50 | diddy | So you think it is OK like this? |
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| 07:39.57 | peterrooney | diddy: /home looks largeish, are you planning on having mulitple users on the system each with a public_html (apache mod_user_dir) website? |
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| 07:40.49 | diddy | NoNaMeNo, I want to access this server from the internet via SSH. Only I will have access to this server. Hopefully. LOL :) |
| 07:40.59 | diddy | peterrooney, I want to access this server from the internet via SSH. Only I will have access to this server. Hopefully. LOL :) |
| 07:41.31 | peterrooney | diddy: you should be able to shrink /home a LOT, unless you're going to rsync your personal home directory to that machine. |
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| 07:41.52 | lnostdal | *sigh* the reportbug tool is a pieces of shit .. i reported a bug+patch about a week ago wrt. the totem-mozilla package and it's still not anywhere to be seen |
| 07:42.19 | diddy | peterrooney, no I won't. I just want to put important stuff on that server so I can access it from anywhere. |
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| 07:43.21 | peterrooney | diddy: if it's going to be accessed via web, you could probably take 1 GB out of home and put it into /var |
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| 07:44.17 | peterrooney | if via SSH, then leave the /home partition as it is. |
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| 07:44.45 | Phasy13 | How is eminems`s new album called? |
| 07:45.09 | peterrooney | Phasy13: I don't know. is it as bad as it sounds? |
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| 07:45.22 | lnostdal | hm, does debian even have a bug-tracker? .. i can't find it now |
| 07:45.35 | diddy | Does /var really need that much? I just checked my Ubuntu /var to get some idea. It is 460 MB |
| 07:45.38 | Phasy13 | peterrooney don't know either, but wanna give it a shot |
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| 07:46.46 | Phasy13 | Ah, it's called "relapse" |
| 07:47.04 | peterrooney | diddy: that's where /var/www goes. |
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| 07:47.31 | peterrooney | diddy: so if you were to have a web server... |
| 07:47.33 | diddy | peterrooney, right. |
| 07:47.50 | TrentH | I've got an issue. Every file in my /home/ folder is displaying on my desktop. |
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| 07:48.04 | TrentH | And when I delete the folder off the desktop, it removes it from the /home directory as well. |
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| 07:48.32 | diddy | TrentH, hardlinked? |
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| 07:48.52 | TrentH | diddy: What's that? |
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| 07:49.23 | diddy | TrentH, no sorry. That wouldn't delete both. |
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| 07:50.15 | diddy | TrentH, are you new to linux? |
| 07:50.23 | TrentH | Yes. |
| 07:50.26 | diddy | ahh |
| 07:50.28 | TrentH | I did this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=699767 |
| 07:50.33 | TrentH | But it didn't solve my issue. |
| 07:51.00 | diddy | The nautilus desktop folder contains all the stuff that shows up on Desktop. |
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| 07:51.11 | diddy | Did you put it in there then it is normal. |
| 07:51.16 | diddy | ? |
| 07:51.45 | TrentH | There we go it works now. |
| 07:51.52 | TrentH | I guess I just had to refresh the desktop. |
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| 07:52.03 | TrentH | I spent 50mins trying to fix that thing |
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| 07:53.13 | TrentH | Another problem. |
| 07:53.24 | TrentH | ClamTk: Says I have 0 signatures. |
| 07:53.34 | TrentH | And when I click update signatures. it says i've got the most up to date ones. |
| 07:53.35 | diddy | TrentH, did you uncheck that option? |
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| 07:53.46 | diddy | TrentH, Ah good. |
| 07:55.00 | TrentH | Help? |
| 07:55.19 | TrentH | clamav-freshclam doesn't work ethier. LOL |
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| 07:55.48 | TrentH | Apparently it's command, freshclam? |
| 07:55.58 | scream_ | hi. what is the recommended way to install iceweasel 3.5 on squeeze? |
| 07:56.14 | TrentH | using Synaptic Package Manager. |
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| 07:58.22 | russo | i'm having an mdadm nightmare, it won't start my array i don't even know where to begin |
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| 07:58.47 | russo | i'm getting: /dev/md1 assembled from 2 drives and 2 spares - not enough to start the array |
| 07:59.37 | vlt | Hello. I try to understand more how linux works. There's the kernel that operates between hardware and the "user space", right? Can I use any kernel that works on my hardware and use any Debian version? |
| 07:59.47 | vlt | For example: I can use a 2.6.30 or a 2.6.18 kernel and run Debian lenny (2.6.26)? |
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| 08:01.57 | peterrooney | vlt: once you've got lenny installed, you could probably make-kpkg a 2.0 kernel (however unwise that might seem to me) |
| 08:02.27 | TrentH | How do I see what the lastest ClamAV updates are? |
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| 08:03.52 | vlt | peterrooney: I want to run lenny on a self compiled Xen 3.4.1 hypervisor but am not sure what's the better choice: Using lenny's 2.6.26-xen or Xen's 2.6.18-xen kernel. |
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| 08:17.35 | TrentH | Anybody there? |
| 08:17.40 | et | nope |
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| 08:19.05 | TrentH | lol. |
| 08:19.23 | TrentH | I need help getting clamav to scan mail coming into Evolution |
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| 08:20.49 | [sr] | howdy |
| 08:21.09 | [sr] | i need some help on debuging a problem with libphp5.so on apache |
| 08:21.40 | [sr] | already installed the dbg of php+apache |
| 08:21.45 | [sr] | set the coredump dir |
| 08:21.56 | [sr] | but i don't have a core file there |
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| 08:22.09 | [sr] | solowed instructions on README.backtrace |
| 08:22.17 | [sr] | solowed=folowed |
| 08:22.23 | judge[0u7] | hello.. how can I see just the last 10 lines of a huge log file? |
| 08:22.34 | [sr] | judge[0u7], tail -f file |
| 08:22.45 | [sr] | or tail -10 file |
| 08:23.06 | spartacus | iirc, tail -f will give the last 20, then follow the file... |
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| 08:23.32 | judge[0u7] | thank you |
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| 08:24.40 | TrentH | Is procmail and evolution mail the same thing? |
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| 08:25.15 | MikeH | Morning |
| 08:25.25 | MikeH | Is it possible to add a pseudo interface on a different subnet? |
| 08:25.40 | g00se | TrentH: No. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84423 |
| 08:25.56 | MikeH | is it just a case of ifconfig eth0:1 netmask xxx broadcast xxx newipxx |
| 08:26.01 | [sr] | MikeH, just do iface alias by, ifconfig eth0:0 1.1.1.1 up |
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| 08:26.29 | MikeH | [sr]: in interfaces? |
| 08:26.39 | MikeH | oh |
| 08:26.55 | MikeH | How would I configure this in interfaces, too? |
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| 08:27.08 | MikeH | iface eth0:1 inet static etc. etc. |
| 08:27.10 | MikeH | ? |
| 08:27.14 | [sr] | yes |
| 08:27.15 | [sr] | it's the same |
| 08:27.29 | pht_ | does debians sudo support selinux stuff? |
| 08:27.53 | pht_ | i can't figure how to change the user's role after sudoing |
| 08:28.03 | TrentH | g00se: Can you help me with that? I don't quite understand it. |
| 08:28.08 | pht_ | s/after/while/ |
| 08:28.30 | MikeH | hrm |
| 08:28.45 | MikeH | I added eth0:1 to interfaces, however restarting networking hasn't brought it up? |
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| 08:29.25 | MikeH | fluffles row_ |
| 08:30.18 | [sr] | works for me |
| 08:30.24 | [sr] | add it to rc.local them |
| 08:30.30 | [sr] | ifconfig eth0:0 1.1.1.1 up |
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| 08:30.59 | MikeH | I did ifup eth0:1 |
| 08:31.01 | MikeH | and it worked [sr] |
| 08:31.13 | [sr] | oki |
| 08:31.25 | [sr] | maybe the restart only restarts already up ifaces |
| 08:31.29 | [sr] | virtual or not |
| 08:31.49 | MikeH | Final question, is it save to add a non routable ip/16 to ACCEPT everything on a machine that is both internet facing and local network facing |
| 08:31.53 | MikeH | *safe |
| 08:32.15 | MikeH | ie, I have -A INPUT -s 192.168.1.0/16 -j ACCEPT |
| 08:32.34 | MikeH | I'm presuimg this won't cause any security issues on the internet side? |
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| 08:33.44 | TrentH | Can somebody tell me how to edit a "Rule Filter" in Evolution Mail? I can't seem to find it. |
| 08:34.04 | Bambi_BOFH | can someone tell me what command I need to /msg dpkg to get information on building a custom kernel? 'kernel' and 'custom kernel' are not helpful |
| 08:34.06 | TrentH | LMFAO I just found it. XD |
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| 08:37.12 | diddy | I don't get it. How can I install the openssh-server ? I only have 2 sources in my sources.list |
| 08:37.23 | diddy | apt-get install openssh-server ; // package not found |
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| 08:38.23 | hid3nax | Morning everyone. `lsmod' displays a list of modules and size of each. Anyone know the dimension of the size? Is it in bytes or kilobytes? |
| 08:38.29 | inckie | diddy apt-get install ssh ? |
| 08:38.41 | petemc | diddy: /msg dpkg sources.list , its easy to fix |
| 08:39.06 | diddy | petemc, ? |
| 08:39.28 | petemc | diddy: your sources.list, if its not correct its easy to fix |
| 08:39.40 | themill | diddy: perhaps you should pastebin your sources list for us to look at |
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| 08:40.43 | diddy | petemc, themill Yeah, I am just trying to find a way to copy from my vmware guest debian to the host so I can paste it to pastebin. |
| 08:41.06 | diddy | Damn, no vmware tools installed yet. |
| 08:41.12 | pht_ | anyone? |
| 08:41.29 | themill | diddy: if you have netcat installed, pipe the output to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" |
| 08:41.45 | diddy | themill Well I only have security.debian.org and volatile.debian.org in there |
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| 08:42.42 | themill | diddy: well that's part of your problem then. You should have a real mirror too. /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 08:43.10 | diddy | themill, where do I get the address of one? A sample sources.list file ? |
| 08:43.43 | harryantix | how do I put a program icon on the desktop? |
| 08:44.08 | cydork | !tell diddy about sources.list |
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| 08:50.20 | Shtl | Hello all |
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| 08:51.13 | Shtl | i freshly installed lenny on Intel P-4 machine but it cant able to start the xserver??? can any one help me please |
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| 08:51.35 | soulchild | Hi all,... how can I select a box (instead mult. lines) in emacs22 ? |
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| 08:52.11 | Shtl | the error message is, "Ring end, space : 28 wanted 32" |
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| 08:53.54 | chj | Shtl : tried reading this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508614 ? |
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| 08:56.47 | farhad_hf | hi there, i have upgraded from testing to experimental , aptitude gave me some errors , http://pastebin.ca/1520270 , help me plz! is it possible to downgrade to sid? |
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| 08:58.48 | diddy | cydork, thx |
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| 08:59.04 | themill | farhad_hf: experimental isn't a complete distribution. You cannot "upgrade" to it and you shouldn't eve try |
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| 08:59.55 | themill | farhad_hf: /msg dpkg experimental ; /msg dpkg downgrade ; /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 09:00.02 | farhad_hf | themill: unfortunately I did, what can i do now? help plz! :P |
| 09:00.38 | themill | farhad_hf: what's the current output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 09:00.42 | diddy | I am having problems with my keyboard settings. Instead of outputting a "|" it prints a ">". I tried update-locale LANG=de_DE.utf8 LANGUAGE but it tells me "invalid locale setting". Any ideas? |
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| 09:01.52 | farhad_hf | themill: http://pastebin.ca/1520275 |
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| 09:02.11 | Shtl | chj: when i boot using single user mode, it boots into GUI, but after some time it auto restarts |
| 09:02.38 | themill | farhad_hf: why are you trying to use things from experimental (or even sid) anyway? |
| 09:03.47 | farhad_hf | themill: i'm using svn trunk versions of some programs , and they have dependencies that i couldn't find in sid or testing |
| 09:04.55 | farhad_hf | themill: do i have to do a fresh install? |
| 09:04.55 | themill | farhad_hf: that would be very unusual -- what packages were you looking for specifically? (are you sure they are in experimental?) |
| 09:06.29 | themill | farhad_hf: first thing to try is to change all the "experimental" entries back to "sid" in your sources.list and run "aptitude update". Can you then pastebin the output of "aptitude search ~o ; aptitude -f install" |
| 09:06.37 | farhad_hf | some of them were in experimental and some were not :P i thought that its better to dist-upgrade to experimental instead of installing packages from that with "-t" option |
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| 09:07.54 | tawan | bit spammy, but funny all the same so excuse me..... |
| 09:07.55 | tawan | Windows 9x is a 32 bit GUI and graphical shell for a 16 bit patch of an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microcontroler by a 2 bit company which cant stand 1 bit of competition. |
| 09:09.32 | themill | farhad_hf: you might like to use "apt-cache policy packagename" or packages.debian.org to verify that the package is available before doing rash things like that. |
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| 09:12.40 | farhad_hf | themill: hmm,, anyway , i didnt know this , it was my first experience (and experiment!) with doing dist-upgrade, thanks |
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| 09:13.23 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I'll have some Dell server (so PERC6 controllers) soon. These servers are going to run Debian Lenny. I would like to know, with your experience, what's the best way to monitor the PERC6 controller (server will also have DRAC6 card) ? |
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| 09:19.01 | rares | why does everybody hate bluecurve? |
| 09:20.54 | TrentH | Because it's blue? |
| 09:21.18 | cydork | !hate bluecurve |
| 09:21.18 | dpkg | hates bluecurve |
| 09:21.38 | Arafangion | How do I set up nvidia? I've followed dpkg's advice but it doesn't work. (Doesn't actually set up xorg to use nvidia) |
| 09:21.55 | TrentH | Arafangion |
| 09:21.59 | TrentH | What vid card you got? |
| 09:22.16 | Arafangion | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) |
| 09:22.30 | TrentH | Let me go find that one second. |
| 09:22.54 | Arafangion | TrentH: I'm doing the prebuilt route, not doing the m-a thing. |
| 09:23.17 | TrentH | Arafangion: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.20/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.20-pkg1.run download that. |
| 09:23.35 | Arafangion | TrentH: That's contrary to dpkg's advice. :) |
| 09:23.48 | TrentH | Screw that, just use this method it works. |
| 09:23.59 | TrentH | Installed my 8800 GTX Ultra nicely. |
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| 09:24.34 | themill | !why nvidia install sucks |
| 09:24.44 | Arafangion | TrentH: I'm sure the problem is that it doesn't actually tell xorg to use the module. |
| 09:24.59 | themill | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 09:25.00 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia> <nvidia compiler fix>. |
| 09:25.12 | TrentH | themill: Nvidia installer works for me. :D |
| 09:25.15 | TrentH | XOrg didn't break. |
| 09:25.18 | Arafangion | themill: Those are exactly teh problems I don't want. :) |
| 09:25.22 | Arafangion | TrentH: Yet. |
| 09:25.25 | TrentH | I didn't get them. |
| 09:25.28 | TrentH | It won't break, lol. |
| 09:25.28 | themill | TrentH: ^^ it worked for you at the moment... |
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| 09:25.45 | TrentH | It worked for me the 5times I installed it. |
| 09:26.08 | Arafangion | TrentH: Why have you installed it 5 times? |
| 09:26.44 | TrentH | I was having trouble with my soundcard driver and didn't know about the rescue disks. |
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| 09:28.55 | farhad_hf | themill: output of aptitude search ~o ; aptitude -f install : http://pastebin.ca/1520296 |
| 09:28.59 | Arafangion | TrentH: Do you mean to say that you reinstalled your operating system in the hopes that the next time it would be somehow different, even if you did things pretty much the same? |
| 09:29.27 | TrentH | I actually, reinstalled the operating system. Because I had to narrow down the problem of the OS not booting. :) |
| 09:29.46 | TrentH | I was thinking it might of been such and such driver, etc. Then I found it was the X-Fi SoundBlaster drive. |
| 09:30.02 | TrentH | Then I got some help, and had to disable something in the boot file and boom it works. :) |
| 09:30.31 | TrentH | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-install-nvidia-video-card-drivers-in-debian-lenny/ use that to install your card. |
| 09:30.33 | themill | farhad_hf: can you pastebin your current sources.list? that doesn't really look right |
| 09:30.34 | TrentH | It worked for me. |
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| 09:30.54 | Arafangion | Gah, it's useless. xorg isn't even respecting dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
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| 09:32.04 | themill | Arafangion: my understanding is that xorg shouldn't need one for the nvidia driver. And in lenny, dpkg-reconfigure doesn't select the driver anyway, /msg dpkg configure xorg |
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| 09:33.09 | themill | err... /msg dpkg xorg config |
| 09:33.15 | Arafangion | And it's working. :) |
| 09:33.57 | farhad_hf | themill: http://pastebin.com/f34367449 , should i comment out the debian squeez line too? |
| 09:35.07 | themill | farhad_hf: did you run "aptitude update" before running "aptitude search ~o"? |
| 09:35.16 | farhad_hf | themill: yes |
| 09:36.00 | themill | farhad_hf: what's the output of "apt-cache policy acpi" |
| 09:36.02 | farhad_hf | themill: output of aptitude update : http://pastebin.ca/1520301 |
| 09:36.41 | farhad_hf | themill: and output of "apt-cache policy acpi" http://pastebin.ca/1520304 |
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| 09:39.12 | themill | farhad_hf: these things don't add up. apt-cache policy (and aptitude search ~o) are both saying that you don't have any mirror that has the acpi package in it. But that package is most definitely in sid. |
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| 09:39.54 | Arafangion | Ok that's wacked. |
| 09:40.11 | Arafangion | Nvidia's working, everything's cool, but I can not get the native resolution using HDMI! |
| 09:40.22 | farhad_hf | themill: wait , let me add another mirror of sid to sources.list and run aptitude update again |
| 09:40.23 | Arafangion | I can, however, get it using plain old RGB. |
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| 09:46.04 | Evet | I want to provide my server resources to a free project. Any suggestion? |
| 09:46.31 | petemc | pick on that you're interested in |
| 09:46.32 | qoreQyaS | checkout boinc projects |
| 09:46.41 | petemc | s/on/one/ |
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| 09:49.38 | Tapout | I maxed out my lenny box with the network. Now on the console, it's cycling errors.. kmem_getpages .. alloc_pages_internal.. |
| 09:49.57 | Tapout | it only happens if i max out the network, are there variables I should set for network related buffering? |
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| 09:51.34 | beardy | mrtn1231: 'which vncviewer' |
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| 09:54.07 | mrtn1231 | beardy: thanks!! |
| 09:54.16 | beardy | mrtn1231: You're welcome. :) |
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| 09:55.21 | TrentH | Does anybody have Nautilius ClamScan? |
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| 09:56.53 | petemc | hid3nax: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
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| 09:58.41 | Wazzzaaa | Hi, Can I set a custom "command not found" message? I think it's possible, but how? any pointers would be nice.. |
| 10:00.25 | hid3nax | petemc: thanks |
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| 10:05.35 | farhad_hf | themill: http://pastebin.ca/1520324 , i think repositories are OK now |
| 10:07.40 | themill | farhad_hf: ok, that looks *much* happier. So all the packages that you have in the output of "aptitude search ~o" are ones for which no current debian package exists (based on your sources.list). Some of these are ancient packages that should be removed (sablevm) some are locally installed packages you probably want to keep (opera) and some are experimental packages you may or may not want to keep around (python2.6). |
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| 10:09.07 | themill | farhad_hf: aptitude's proposed solution looks fine to me, as long as you don't use any of the video drivers that it's planning to remove (see the REMOVED section of its output). |
| 10:09.28 | farhad_hf | ok |
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| 10:12.18 | themill | farhad_hf: once you've done that, you might want to run an aptitude safe-upgrade (or full-upgrade if needed) as you probably have some squeeze packages that can be upgraded to the sid versions. If you're going to stick with sid, then you're going to need to spend some time learning how debian's package management system works. Sid users are expected to be self-supporting as it regularly throws up quirky problems and #debian doesn't really have the |
| 10:12.19 | themill | resources or patience to work through them all the time. |
| 10:13.03 | themill | farhad_hf: you might want to "/msg dpkg reference" and "/msg dpkg aptitude docs" to learn some more about debian package management. |
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| 10:14.34 | farhad_hf | themill: ok, thank you so much! :) i'll read them today |
| 10:14.57 | themill | farhad_hf: happy reading :) |
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| 10:21.01 | nikki93 | Pro wlan tip: Make sure the hard wireless switch is on. |
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| 10:35.23 | diddy | Am I running short on RAM and should by more? http://pastebin.ca/1520339 |
| 10:36.50 | Arafangion | diddy: One should /always/ buy more RAM. :) |
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| 10:38.26 | amartin | Hi, anyone can tell how to use my mobile internet withh huwaei e156g in clean bash environment? |
| 10:38.54 | hid3nax | diddy: I don't think so... |
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| 10:41.06 | amartin | I tried to look some information but can't find :/ |
| 10:42.19 | diddy | hid3nax, ? |
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| 10:42.27 | justin__ | hi |
| 10:42.40 | justin__ | may i ask a stupid question ? |
| 10:42.45 | petemc | you already did |
| 10:42.51 | justin__ | ok |
| 10:42.56 | justin__ | let me think ... |
| 10:43.17 | justin__ | im really confused |
| 10:43.18 | justin__ | i have 2 routers A and B , A-Wan is connected to adsl , A-lan is set to dhcp in 192.168.1.x . B-Wan is connected to A- |
| 10:43.18 | justin__ | lan and is set to dhcp and got it's ip : 192.168.1.104 , B-lan is set to dhcp in 192.168.2.x . now i got a notebook |
| 10:43.18 | justin__ | connected to B-lan , and got its ip 192.168.2.100 . but i cant get internet access with the notebook ... what should i |
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| 10:43.46 | justin__ | sorry |
| 10:44.16 | justin__ | sorry for that |
| 10:44.24 | justin__ | now i ask again |
| 10:44.27 | justin__ | i have 2 routers A and B , A-Wan is connected to adsl , A-lan is set to dhcp in 192.168.1.x . B-Wan is connected to A-lan and is set to dhcp and got it's ip : 192.168.1.104 , B-lan is set to dhcp in 192.168.2.x . now i got a notebook connected to B-lan , and got its ip 192.168.2.100 . but i cant get internet access with the notebook ... what should i do ? |
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| 10:46.18 | justin__ | so? |
| 10:46.43 | petemc | double nat, nice |
| 10:46.54 | hid3nax | diddy, your amount of RAM isn't the problem at the moment. |
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| 10:47.23 | justin__ | petemc, sould i set a stalic route? |
| 10:47.43 | filePeter | justin__: Set up ip_forwarding for router B? |
| 10:47.48 | diddy | hid3nax, I only have 95 MB free. Won't that become a bottleneck? |
| 10:47.49 | petemc | justin__: as far as your laptop is concerned, it should have the B as its gateway address, B needs to have an address in the 192.168.2.x range |
| 10:47.59 | lvh | petemc: double NAT can be a great way to circumvent fascist routers that are installed by some ISPs :-) |
| 10:48.10 | petemc | lvh: how do you figure that? |
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| 10:48.30 | lvh | petemc: We get a lot of routers here in belgium that only talk to exactly one IP. |
| 10:48.46 | petemc | and? |
| 10:48.47 | lvh | petemc: They hand out *one* IP through DHCP, and drop all local connections that aren't from that IP. |
| 10:49.05 | filePeter | justin__: check: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 10:49.09 | lvh | petemc: Have that IP be your second router, and you can attach as many boxes behind the second one as you want. |
| 10:49.09 | hid3nax | diddy, that's the way linux memory management works. Real free memory=free+cached |
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| 10:49.39 | justin__ | filePeter, sorry, im not on linux right now . i use web interface to config everything |
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| 10:49.53 | filePeter | justin__: Openwrt? |
| 10:49.54 | diddy | hid3nax, yes, I know but did you see the size of the swap ? |
| 10:50.01 | justin__ | B is dd-wrt |
| 10:50.07 | justin__ | a is d-link |
| 10:50.26 | petemc | you can have B do bridging then |
| 10:50.31 | filePeter | justin__: B gets ip from DHCP right? |
| 10:50.37 | hid3nax | yes. Well, more memory won't hurt but that won't help either. |
| 10:50.45 | filePeter | petemc: not what he wants, eh? :) |
| 10:50.46 | diddy | hid3nax, sorry. I mixed up the colums. I only have 32 MB in swap not 2015. |
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| 10:50.56 | justin__ | petemc, B has an ip 192.168.2.2 , laptop is set to DHCP and it's gateway seems to be 192.168.2.1 |
| 10:50.56 | petemc | filePeter: how do you know? |
| 10:50.59 | hid3nax | yes ;-) |
| 10:51.13 | petemc | justin__: then that gateway doesnt seem correct |
| 10:51.21 | justin__ | filePeter, B's WAN gets ip from dhcp |
| 10:51.32 | filePeter | petemc: :-) I don't, but he didn't ask for this... Sorry, wasn't meant offensive. :-) |
| 10:51.46 | petemc | filePeter: the way i saw, he wants it to work.. |
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| 10:52.12 | petemc | justin__: try changing the gateway on the laptop to 192.168.2.2 |
| 10:52.22 | justin__ | ok |
| 10:52.33 | justin__ | i'll do it right now |
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| 10:53.17 | diddy | hid3nax, but is the formula realfreemomory = free+cached really valid. The cached memory is important stuff and if moved to swap will slow down the OS. False? |
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| 10:55.52 | hid3nax | diddy, not actually false. But you always normally want to have most of your ram as 'cached'. |
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| 10:56.58 | diddy | hid3nax, is there a way to find out how much really MUST be cached? |
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| 10:57.12 | koollman | diddy: as much as possible |
| 10:57.17 | koollman | but not more than that ;) |
| 10:57.30 | diddy | koollman, I mean before the system performance will deteriorate |
| 10:58.00 | koollman | the set of data used regularly by your currently running apps. |
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| 10:58.37 | koollman | so, if you have, say, a web browser, perhaps a bit of its disk cache, say 5 to 50 MB, a database, the most actives tables, anything else ... 'it depends' |
| 10:58.47 | hid3nax | diddy, at least I don't know one.. |
| 10:59.03 | diddy | hid3nax, OK. Thx |
| 10:59.13 | Justin_he | I'm justin_ |
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| 10:59.44 | Justin_he | I use a blackberry to login. |
| 11:00.04 | Justin_he | Can't stand to change between online and offline |
| 11:00.18 | filePeter | So did it work justin? |
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| 11:00.27 | Justin_he | Laptop's gateway is 192.168.2.2 |
| 11:00.33 | filePeter | And? |
| 11:00.37 | Justin_he | Still doesn't work |
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| 11:01.05 | filePeter | Can you ping the 192.168.1. network? |
| 11:01.06 | petemc | Justin_he: can you ping the gateway? |
| 11:01.11 | filePeter | form within the laptop? |
| 11:01.17 | filePeter | petemc: :-) |
| 11:01.53 | Justin_he | Yes , I can |
| 11:02.28 | petemc | so it seems B isnt forwarding the packets for you |
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| 11:02.53 | filePeter | Justin_he: Good. What does /etc/resolf.conf say? |
| 11:02.53 | petemc | dd-wrt has various different modes, what is it set to now? |
| 11:02.55 | Justin_he | Yeah, I think so . |
| 11:03.06 | farhad_hf | themill: output of aptitude : http://pastebin.ca/1520353 |
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| 11:03.23 | filePeter | petemc: Even if the pong comes back? |
| 11:03.29 | petemc | hmm? |
| 11:03.32 | Justin_he | Mini version V24 SP2 |
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| 11:04.02 | petemc | Justin_he: no, i mean is it set up as a router or something else |
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| 11:04.28 | Justin_he | Yeah, as a router |
| 11:04.53 | petemc | Justin_he: to clarify, you can ping 192.168.2.2 , can you ping anything in 192.168.1.x ? |
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| 11:05.14 | Justin_he | No, I cant |
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| 11:05.35 | petemc | so its reasonable to assume the problem is with B, the device running dd-wrt |
| 11:05.36 | filePeter | Justin_he: You said you can ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 11:06.27 | Justin_he | No I can't ping 192.168.1.x |
| 11:06.44 | filePeter | Justin_he: Does internetaccess work when B is at A's position? |
| 11:07.01 | themill | farhad_hf: I know nothing about insserv so i can't tell you much about it I'm afraid. The good news is that you've probably fixed up most of the issues with your package sources though. what does "aptitude -f install" want to do now? |
| 11:07.38 | Justin_he | Filepeter: B is ok as a normal router |
| 11:07.48 | filePeter | Justin_he: ... |
| 11:08.09 | Justin_he | I need to set a static route , I think. |
| 11:08.19 | Justin_he | Set on B |
| 11:08.24 | filePeter | Justin_he: So B is maybe setup to route from 192.168.* to internet. |
| 11:08.58 | filePeter | Justin_he: And not from 192.168.2.* to 192.168.1.* as this is considered local... |
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| 11:09.22 | filePeter | Justin_he: You could try setting A's net to a 10.* network. |
| 11:09.22 | Justin_he | What about static route? |
| 11:09.35 | Justin_he | Hmmm .... |
| 11:09.38 | farhad_hf | themill: almost nothing :P http://pastebin.ca/1520360 |
| 11:09.41 | filePeter | Justin_he: Maybe this restriction is inside iptables.... |
| 11:10.00 | Justin_he | A is not mine... I got just one line from A |
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| 11:10.18 | Justin_he | I connect it to B and B is wireless |
| 11:10.31 | Justin_he | So I can move my laptop around |
| 11:10.31 | filePeter | Justin_he: Is it possible to set a static route in B? |
| 11:10.36 | themill | !dbugs 539029 |
| 11:10.38 | filePeter | Justin_he: Ah... |
| 11:10.40 | dpkg | #539029:I[postgresql] insserv: fails when both postgresql-8.3 and postgresql-8.4 are installed (); Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:30:01 UTC [474515 535442] |
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| 11:10.51 | themill | farhad_hf: ^^ google is your friend, as is the BTS when you are running sid |
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| 11:11.00 | Justin_he | Filepeter: yes , B has this function |
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| 11:11.17 | filePeter | Justin_he: Ok, let's give it a try |
| 11:11.23 | filePeter | :-) |
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| 11:12.13 | Justin_he | Should I shut down Dynamic route ? |
| 11:12.27 | filePeter | Justin_he: I don't think so. :-) |
| 11:12.43 | Justin_he | Ok. |
| 11:13.26 | Justin_he | Infact I've tried static route |
| 11:13.27 | filePeter | Justin_he: brb. |
| 11:13.32 | filePeter | Justin_he: but? |
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| 11:14.16 | filePeter | Justin_he: Can you resolf hostnames from Laptop?? |
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| 11:14.53 | filePeter | Justin_he: I guess laptop takes B as the nameserver right? |
| 11:14.55 | Justin_he | I set : destination ip as 192.168.2.0 |
| 11:14.55 | Justin_he | Netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:14.55 | Justin_he | Gateway as B's WAN ip 192.168.1.104 |
| 11:15.23 | Justin_he | And interface is set to WAN |
| 11:15.45 | filePeter | Justin_he: What happens? |
| 11:16.09 | Justin_he | Worse |
| 11:16.21 | filePeter | Justin_he: :-( So redo it, better. :-p |
| 11:16.33 | Justin_he | I even can't get into B's web interface |
| 11:16.42 | Justin_he | Finnally , I reset B |
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| 11:17.09 | Justin_he | I'm trying all the day... |
| 11:17.25 | filePeter | Justin_he: Try the nameresolvingthing from laptop just to verify its the routing... |
| 11:17.38 | filePeter | Justin_he: What is laptop's nameservers |
| 11:18.08 | Justin_he | I set it manual with 208.67.222.222 |
| 11:18.35 | filePeter | Justin_he: Try setting it to B and watch if it resolving... |
| 11:19.00 | Justin_he | Ok trying |
| 11:20.08 | Justin_he | Doesn't work |
| 11:20.15 | filePeter | ? |
| 11:20.18 | filePeter | Uh? |
| 11:20.34 | filePeter | So B is really sucking around.... |
| 11:20.43 | Justin_he | I can't find any thing useful on how to connect two routers together |
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| 11:21.27 | Justin_he | Normally I use B as a repeater. But I lost that wireless signal. |
| 11:22.02 | filePeter | Justin_he: Then I guess dd-wrt does not accept wan to be inside 192.168. as it is not queriing for dns..... |
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| 11:22.28 | Suppermann | Hello. Rhythmbox tends to freeze on my computer after a while. I believe it might be related to downloading podcasts, but i really dont have a clue |
| 11:22.30 | filePeter | Justin_he: Maybe it works if the B is setup statically. |
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| 11:24.04 | Justin_he | Maybe |
| 11:24.32 | Justin_he | Thank you anyway... I have to work it out |
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| 11:26.35 | Justin_he | I've tried to set B as a switch, and it works |
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| 11:28.07 | Justin_he | thanks my bb |
| 11:28.25 | Justin_he | Feed it some power |
| 11:29.10 | neo8848 | anybody here ever encountered Trojan.Downloader-19863? |
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| 11:29.52 | petemc | neo8848: does it affect linux? |
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| 11:36.34 | ireko | hello, i have got problem. when i type ps -d, there are duble proceses in the list |
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| 11:37.05 | ireko | for example duble xfce4-panel |
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| 11:37.34 | ireko | and i have got duble panel in my desktop |
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| 11:38.50 | farhad_hf | themill: insserv problem fixed , thx, i'm googling for hal |
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| 11:49.29 | neo8848 | @petermc: i'm experiencing weird behavior |
| 11:49.44 | rocky22 | Hi all, How can i mount a directory from one filesystem to another point |
| 11:49.49 | rocky22 | not symbolic links |
| 11:49.52 | neo8848 | and some unwanted files self-replicated, |
| 11:49.53 | rocky22 | there was another thing |
| 11:50.01 | petemc | bind mount |
| 11:50.07 | rocky22 | cheers |
| 11:50.10 | petemc | np |
| 11:50.49 | neo8848 | is scanning entire system now with fresh updated clamav |
| 11:52.21 | petemc | neo8848: what makes you believe you have a trojan/virus? |
| 11:52.33 | petemc | more specifically than "weird behavior" |
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| 11:53.10 | neo8848 | i've got all these exe files on each subfolder of the thumb drive, representing the base subfolders name |
| 11:53.28 | neo8848 | ie. there's a new folder.exe inside new folder.exe |
| 11:53.38 | petemc | why not just format it? |
| 11:53.46 | neo8848 | and i've got an autorun.ini, that just wont go |
| 11:53.49 | marcel_ | what do right way of disabling "recent docuemnts" in gnome (places>recent documents) its seems to be stored in a file called .recently-used.xbel. just removing doesnt work |
| 11:53.55 | neo8848 | i have my project in the thumb :( |
| 11:54.17 | Hazelesque | neo8848: try using find. |
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| 11:54.32 | Hazelesque | neo8848: do you have any .exes on there you *want* to keep? |
| 11:55.40 | neo8848 | i was able to delete the files, but the problem is when i reinsert the thumb, they're back |
| 11:55.47 | Hazelesque | find /media/yourstick -iname "*.exe" -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 11:56.17 | Hazelesque | or, "rm -i" if you're squeamish |
| 11:56.29 | abrotman | why can't he just format it? |
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| 11:56.34 | Hazelesque | neo8848: so, uh, this is on a windows machine? or a linux machine/ |
| 11:56.40 | Hazelesque | abrotman: as he says, he has his project work on the stick |
| 11:56.44 | neo8848 | it's on debian lenny |
| 11:56.52 | abrotman | so copy it off .. format the stick .. put it back |
| 11:57.23 | neo8848 | my windows got busted, i can't run task manager, can't set folder options to show hidden files... |
| 11:57.50 | bleah | :) |
| 11:57.51 | neo8848 | @abrotman, but before i copy, i need to make sure that i'm not copying infected files with it |
| 11:58.08 | vlt | Hello. There are several ways to share block devices over network. When setting up a new server what should I choose: NBD? iSCSI? AoE? Anything else? What is stable/secure? |
| 11:58.16 | Hazelesque | abrotman: presumably this depends on whether the project is "myproject.doc", or OVER 9000 files |
| 11:58.27 | abrotman | neo8848: why? they're windows viruses? .. scan then on your linux system? |
| 11:58.49 | neo8848 | abrotman: that's exactly what i'm doing now with clamav |
| 11:59.05 | neo8848 | just wanted to know if anybody ever had a similar experience |
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| 11:59.31 | abrotman | with a windows virus? |
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| 12:03.47 | Hazelesque | abrotman: neo8848 claims he's deleting them (on his linux box?), then when he removes and re-inserts the stick, they're back |
| 12:03.50 | Hazelesque | afaic |
| 12:03.58 | Hazelesque | s |
| 12:04.01 | abrotman | is he syncing the drive before he removes it? |
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| 12:04.05 | Hazelesque | abrotman: perhaps he's not syncing/umounting properly first? |
| 12:04.07 | Hazelesque | snap! |
| 12:04.18 | abrotman | blinks |
| 12:04.28 | Agiofws | hi |
| 12:04.31 | Agiofws | how do i find every folder with a name of "panos: and list each file in it ? can someone help me ? |
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| 12:04.57 | abrotman | Agiofws: did you try locate or find ? |
| 12:04.59 | Hazelesque | Agiofws: find / -iwholename "*/panos/*" ? |
| 12:05.10 | Hazelesque | wit hGNU find |
| 12:05.28 | Titan8990_ | Hazelesque, sounds like a homework question and your example will also find files named panos |
| 12:05.50 | Agiofws | find |
| 12:05.51 | Titan8990_ | Hazelesque, and it won't list afterwards |
| 12:05.59 | Hazelesque | Titan8990: heh, good point. are you sure, with the trailing slash? |
| 12:06.00 | abrotman | Agiofws: man find .. or man locate .. |
| 12:06.19 | Hazelesque | Titan8990: oh, you think Agiofws means "list" as in "ls foo"? |
| 12:06.20 | Titan8990_ | Hazelesque, actually, no, not sure |
| 12:06.22 | Agiofws | no find does the job better just trying to find out how right switches |
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| 12:07.30 | Agiofws | there must be a switch for dirs only |
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| 12:07.41 | Hazelesque | Agiofws: yes, there is. |
| 12:07.58 | Hazelesque | Agiofws: but you said you wanted files with /panos/ in the path? |
| 12:08.04 | Hazelesque | s/path/full path/ ? |
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| 12:09.28 | Hazelesque | Titan8990: and, you're right, that does sound like an odd way to phrase a question unless it was copypasta from a homework sheet :P |
| 12:10.20 | Agiofws | i'd like to find all the files every directory named panos ... |
| 12:10.36 | abrotman | Agiofws: man find or man locate .. do you fear reading? |
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| 12:11.31 | Agiofws | yes |
| 12:11.41 | Agiofws | i'm reading of the web right now |
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| 12:11.51 | A | Agiofws, find with pipe will do alot. |
| 12:12.03 | Hazelesque | Agiofws: are you a native english speaker? if not, there may be translated manpages in your language. |
| 12:12.11 | abrotman | maybe just let him read ? |
| 12:12.22 | Agiofws | i can read fine :) |
| 12:12.52 | Agiofws | seems like find / -iname panos does the job ... in the nd |
| 12:12.54 | Agiofws | end* |
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| 12:13.24 | Hazelesque | Agiofws: not quite. |
| 12:13.33 | Hazelesque | that finds files or directories named panos |
| 12:13.44 | Hazelesque | (and that includes symlinks and special files) |
| 12:15.03 | abrotman | if he says it works ... let him use it |
| 12:15.23 | marcel_ | what do right way of disabling "recent docuemnts" in gnome (places>recent documents) its seems to be stored in a file called .recently-used.xbel. just removing doesnt work |
| 12:15.47 | Agiofws | -type d ? |
| 12:15.52 | Hazelesque | Agiofws: bingo! |
| 12:16.05 | Agiofws | what do i win ? |
| 12:16.16 | Hazelesque | semantic correctness? |
| 12:16.22 | Agiofws | :) |
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| 12:19.41 | Agiofws | Hazelesque, find / -type d -name panos | grep -v "Permission denied" will not grep the opposites .. |
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| 12:20.44 | neo8848 | Hazelesque: question: i just right click and unmount my thumb/ is there anything else that i should do? |
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| 12:26.09 | Hazelesque | Agiofws: um? |
| 12:26.25 | Hazelesque | firstly: error messages like "permission denied" go to stderr, not stdout |
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| 12:26.45 | Hazelesque | secondly: there should be switches to find to test mode/access permission |
| 12:26.49 | Agiofws | find / -type d -name panos 2>/dev/null or find / -type d -name panos 2>&1 | grep -v "Permission denied" fixes stuff |
| 12:27.02 | Hazelesque | or you could write a script to try statting the files |
| 12:27.11 | Hazelesque | Agiofws: the former throws away standard error |
| 12:27.25 | yang | I have a problem, I an only login into X windows as one user - the other user gets this kind of error http://pastebin.ca/1520432 |
| 12:27.34 | Hazelesque | the latter sends standard error to standard output, which are then both piped into grep |
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| 12:34.48 | abrotman | yang: so what are the perms on /dev/null ? |
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| 12:37.45 | yang | abrotman: all wrong |
| 12:38.01 | abrotman | how'd that happen ? |
| 12:38.09 | yang | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 1, 3 2009-08-06 16:20 /dev/null |
| 12:38.18 | yang | i installed a ZTE modem |
| 12:38.28 | yang | could be th4e reason for changed permissions |
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| 12:39.20 | zinx | O_O |
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| 12:41.16 | yang | abrotman: anyway i get some assistance on another chan |
| 12:41.22 | abrotman | ok |
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| 12:49.10 | v4nelle | guys with debian 502 bussinesscard ,after install my root hasn't pass,and my normal user didn't created....why? |
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| 12:50.43 | abrotman | can't parse |
| 12:50.54 | EmleyMoor | I think: |
| 12:51.07 | stew | he has no root password |
| 12:51.10 | stew | and no user account |
| 12:51.25 | EmleyMoor | Yes |
| 12:51.44 | v4nelle | and this twice......after 2 fresh installs |
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| 12:52.18 | ranix | v4nelle: able to log in as root with no password? |
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| 12:52.25 | jelly-home | !ifrp |
| 12:52.25 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 12:52.52 | v4nelle | ranix, only in single mode.....where i do "passwd root" |
| 12:53.06 | v4nelle | but why happend this on stable installer? |
| 12:53.30 | ranix | no clue |
| 12:53.34 | ranix | bug report it |
| 12:53.50 | abrotman | stew: i thought he couldn't mount root .. |
| 12:54.46 | v4nelle | i user debian stable installer to install testing debian,with expert install....there is any problem with this? |
| 12:55.04 | abrotman | why are you using expert? |
| 12:55.21 | ranix | are you an expert |
| 12:55.25 | abrotman | and why testing? |
| 12:55.36 | abrotman | AIUI, that installer could be broken any day of the week at this point |
| 12:55.48 | ranix | ^^debian stable installer to install testing |
| 12:55.54 | ranix | I didn't even know you could do that |
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| 12:56.15 | abrotman | oh, misread .. |
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| 12:56.27 | ananthgs | Hi All. I am facing a problem compiling a software. It is giving me this error. Please guid me. |
| 12:56.28 | v4nelle | i preffer it......because i use this method many times :p |
| 12:56.29 | ananthgs | No pre-built modules for: Debian-5.0 linux-2.6.26-1-686 i686-SMP |
| 12:57.05 | abrotman | v4nelle: have you tried the normal way instead of expert ? |
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| 12:58.15 | ananthgs | Can someone help me please........? |
| 12:58.20 | Titan8990_ | ananthgs, your not going to get far without explaining what the software is and positing a full log |
| 12:58.28 | Titan8990_ | ananthgs, you have provided very little info |
| 12:58.32 | v4nelle | yes,but i start to use expert install,because in the past,debian testing installet having problem....so i use expert install on stable installer,to choose testing repos |
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| 12:58.40 | ananthgs | Hi Titan. |
| 12:58.49 | ananthgs | I am trying to install hsfmodem for my dell laptop |
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| 12:59.16 | ananthgs | the version of hsfmodem deb file is 7.60.00 oem |
| 12:59.28 | ranix | ananthgs: did you apt-get install build-essential and linux-headers-`uname -r`? |
| 12:59.52 | ranix | s/linux/kernel maybe I forget |
| 13:00.30 | Titan8990_ | ananthgs, deb files are pre-compiled binaries |
| 13:00.36 | Titan8990_ | they don't need to be compiled |
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| 13:01.07 | ananthgs | Oh ok fine Titan. |
| 13:01.26 | ananthgs | I already had installed Linux-headers |
| 13:01.27 | Titan8990_ | ananthgs, so lets see a pastebin of dpkg -i FILE.deb |
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| 13:01.50 | ranix | ananthgs: linux-headers is only applicable if you're actually compiling something |
| 13:01.57 | ranix | ananthgs: are you installing from a deb, or compiling? |
| 13:02.41 | ananthgs | i am installing a deb file |
| 13:02.59 | ranix | pastebin a log if you would |
| 13:04.01 | ananthgs | Can u guys join #flood? |
| 13:04.05 | ananthgs | I will paste it there. |
| 13:04.13 | ranix | !pastebinit |
| 13:04.13 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 13:05.03 | abrotman | ananthgs: are you going to paste in #flood? |
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| 13:06.23 | steven43126 | Whats the correct place for iptables rule that NAT local connections ? ic connections that originate from the local box |
| 13:06.23 | ananthgs | yes i will paste in #flood. |
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| 13:07.42 | ananthgs | i pasted abrotman |
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| 13:08.13 | ananthgs | ranix and Titan...Can u guys please see #flood and help me? |
| 13:08.14 | abrotman | ananthgs: no you didn't .. your client imploded |
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| 13:08.25 | Titan8990_ | ananthgs, whats so difficult about pastebin? |
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| 13:08.35 | abrotman | you pasted three lines and your client quit |
| 13:08.56 | ranix | just use pastebinit ananthgs |
| 13:09.04 | Titan8990_ | !tell ananthgs about pastebin |
| 13:09.09 | ranix | it's going to be too big to flood |
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| 13:09.38 | J-roen | Hi. I have upgraded from Etch to Lenny and have a problem with my PostgreSQL data. The data is still in the 8.1 format, but in Lenny I can only install and run PostgreSQL 8.3 (I guess). Therefore I am not able to upgrade the cluster. Has anybody a solution for me? Thanks. |
| 13:10.14 | Titan8990_ | J-roen, manually install 8.1? |
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| 13:10.28 | BleSS | how is possible that I get the next message having installed 'build-essential'? checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
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| 13:10.51 | abrotman | ranix: it would work fine if his client didn't suck |
| 13:11.15 | ranix | abrotman: too bad it won't because it does |
| 13:11.18 | ranix | pronouns! |
| 13:11.31 | ananthgs | http://paste.debian.net/43483 |
| 13:11.38 | ananthgs | please go through it and help me out |
| 13:11.55 | zak_ | anyone installed linux on a macbok? |
| 13:12.06 | petemc | lots of people |
| 13:12.08 | ananthgs | ranix, Titan, abrotman - could u guys help me? |
| 13:12.08 | ranix | ananthgs: I thought you said you were installing a .deb |
| 13:12.22 | ananthgs | yes i was installing a deb file only - ranix.... |
| 13:12.28 | Titan8990_ | ananthgs, dude, thats compiling, not a deb |
| 13:12.34 | Titan8990_ | ananthgs, debs don't compile |
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| 13:13.00 | ananthgs | ranix: i mean i installed a deb file only |
| 13:13.00 | abrotman | and his kernel is out of date |
| 13:13.20 | ananthgs | ok guys....tell me the solution. |
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| 13:13.24 | ananthgs | what do i need to do? |
| 13:13.30 | ananthgs | i need to get this thing done. |
| 13:13.33 | ananthgs | its really urgent. |
| 13:13.50 | ranix | that's the kernel I'm running abrotman |
| 13:13.54 | abrotman | ask linuxant why their non-free driver won't build ? |
| 13:13.58 | abrotman | ranix: and yours is out of date too |
| 13:14.21 | abrotman | by a few months IIRC |
| 13:14.21 | ranix | oh we're at 2.6.30 already |
| 13:14.27 | ranix | I thought I did an apt-get upgrade |
| 13:14.30 | abrotman | ranix: no .. but lenny is at -2- |
| 13:14.43 | abrotman | so is squeeze i believe |
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| 13:15.03 | ranix | I'm upgradin' now anyway |
| 13:15.06 | themill | judd kernels |
| 13:15.07 | ananthgs | http://paste.debian.net/43484/ |
| 13:15.08 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc5-686 (2.6.31~rc5-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14085); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-3~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch2); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 13:15.17 | themill | abrotman: ^^ not quite yet, it seems |
| 13:15.21 | ranix | ananthgs: follow suit with me, apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 13:15.49 | abrotman | themill: eh? they're both at -2- for the .26 |
| 13:16.05 | ananthgs | ok i ll follow u. thanks a lot. |
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| 13:16.12 | ananthgs | thanks ranix |
| 13:16.15 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 13:16.16 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 13:16.23 | themill | abrotman: oh you mean squeeze is a -2-. I though you meant squeeze had finally ended up with 2.6.30 even though hell hasn't yet frozen over. |
| 13:16.48 | ananthgs | ranix: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:16.51 | diddy | How can I give my debian server a static IP address? I went ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.77 and it worked but after the next reboot it got an IP address again from the DHCP server in my LAN. |
| 13:16.52 | ananthgs | this is what i got |
| 13:16.52 | abrotman | themill: eh .. nope |
| 13:16.54 | J-roen | I think my hosting provider has removed the folder /etc/postgresql/8.3. When I reinstall PostgreSQL 8.3, it doesn't come back. How can I let apt or dpkg recreate this directory and the containing configuration files? |
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| 13:17.01 | abrotman | ananthgs: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 13:17.11 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 13:17.11 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 13:17.19 | ranix | linux-image-2.6.686 abrotman |
| 13:17.19 | J-roen | abrotman: Thanks |
| 13:17.26 | ranix | 2.6-686 |
| 13:17.30 | abrotman | ranix: no .. i got it right |
| 13:17.30 | ranix | yar |
| 13:17.43 | BleSS | why I cann't run a script calling as './script' else I've call it 'bash script' (it has +x mod.) |
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| 13:17.46 | ananthgs | guys what is the correct one? |
| 13:17.50 | abrotman | ananthgs: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 13:17.55 | zak_ | anyone installed linux on a macbok? |
| 13:18.07 | petemc | BleSS: what happens when you try? |
| 13:18.08 | abrotman | BleSS: what's the error? |
| 13:18.15 | ananthgs | uname -r gives me 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 13:18.15 | petemc | zak_: lots of people, theres info on the debian wiki |
| 13:18.22 | abrotman | ananthgs: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
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| 13:19.00 | zak_ | my left button doesnt work on kde4.3 |
| 13:19.10 | zak_ | 2 buttons gives nothing :( |
| 13:19.10 | BleSS | petemc: abrotman bash: export: `./configure': not a valid identifier |
| 13:19.28 | abrotman | BleSS: show us that line from the script (or ask #bash) |
| 13:19.34 | petemc | zak_: left button? what kind of macbook is that |
| 13:19.46 | abrotman | sounds like you're trying something like export ./configure=FOO or something like that |
| 13:19.57 | BleSS | #! /bin/sh |
| 13:20.17 | raphi | BleSS: remove the space in between.. |
| 13:20.21 | zak_ | left button = 2 fingers function i meant |
| 13:20.41 | themill | raphi: the space is allowed (even required by some old standards) |
| 13:21.02 | ananthgs | abrotman: i have installed it |
| 13:21.05 | ananthgs | what next? |
| 13:21.11 | raphi | themill: musta been oooolld standards ;-) |
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| 13:21.24 | BleSS | it follows with the same error and it happens with whatever script included python or ruby |
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| 13:22.00 | abrotman | ananthgs: are you even sure that driver builds against a .26 kernel ? |
| 13:22.10 | abrotman | BleSS: paste the whole script in a pastebin |
| 13:22.14 | petemc | zak_: theres info on the debian wiki on using synaptics to get the mouse to do more than bog standard pointing and clicking |
| 13:22.22 | ananthgs | abrotman: ha ha ...no clue |
| 13:22.26 | ananthgs | lets see |
| 13:22.33 | J-roen | abrotman: I executed aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall postgresql, but it doesn't recreate the directory. What can be the problem? |
| 13:22.39 | abrotman | J-roen: wrong package |
| 13:22.39 | zak_ | petemc: do you have the link please? |
| 13:22.46 | ananthgs | shall i try to install the deb file now? |
| 13:23.04 | petemc | zak_: sure, www.google.com , in the wee box, type debian wiki macbook |
| 13:23.04 | BleSS | could it be by my path: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin |
| 13:23.25 | J-roen | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 13:23.32 | EmleyMoor | BleSS: I don't see how that is relevant |
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| 13:24.04 | abrotman | BleSS: paste the whole script in a pastebin |
| 13:24.14 | BleSS | EmleyMoor: it looks that it doesn't run the actual path |
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| 13:25.09 | BleSS | abrotman: that's irrelevant since that it faills with whatever script, I've to use 'bash file.sh', 'python file.py', 'ruby file.rb' |
| 13:25.27 | abrotman | no, it's not irrelevant .. if you want help with your bash script put it in a pastebin |
| 13:25.36 | J-roen | abrotman: Do you know perhaps which package I should reinstall? I tried all combinations of postgresql and client/server and common. |
| 13:25.47 | EmleyMoor | BleSS: What does mount" say aabout the filesystem the script is on? |
| 13:25.52 | abrotman | J-roen: postgresql-common or something like that |
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| 13:26.25 | BleSS | EmleyMoor: sure that it's by that ;) |
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| 13:26.39 | ananthgs | http://paste.debian.net/43486/ |
| 13:26.48 | J-roen | abrotman: I also thought so and tried it, but no luck: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall postgresql-common-8.3 |
| 13:26.49 | ananthgs | abrotman: can u check this and help me |
| 13:27.01 | abrotman | ananthgs: you didn't boot your new kernel |
| 13:27.06 | J-roen | abrotman: (without -8.3, sorry) |
| 13:27.25 | abrotman | J-roen: AFAIK, that's the package .. use apt-file to double check |
| 13:27.45 | BleSS | EmleyMoor: well, it looks correct to me: rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime |
| 13:28.18 | cusco | hi... I can't figure why I cant svn to anywhere. I am using testing and svn always reply: svn: OPTIONS of 'http://pyrit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk': could not connect to server (http://pyrit.googlecode.com) |
| 13:28.23 | EmleyMoor | OK - what are the permissions? (including ownership) |
| 13:28.28 | cusco | whatever project / url it is |
| 13:28.30 | ananthgs | abrotman: it did not install a kernel to me |
| 13:28.32 | cusco | its always taht error |
| 13:28.43 | ananthgs | abrotman: i did not see anything in menu.lst |
| 13:28.49 | abrotman | ananthgs: it should have .. do you have a security line in your sources.list ? |
| 13:29.01 | ananthgs | abrotman: yes i do |
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| 13:29.32 | J-roen | abrotman: The files are not in postgresql-common, according to apt-file. Should they really be listed by apt-file? Then I can check some other packages. |
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| 13:29.49 | pist_ | Hello. |
| 13:29.56 | raphi | cusco: have you tried to update the libgnutls? there was a bug recently in it... |
| 13:29.57 | pist_ | I am currently cleaning my server listening ports. |
| 13:30.18 | pist_ | I have an NFS server, but only for my OpenVPN network (tun0, IP 10.8.13.1). |
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| 13:30.39 | abrotman | ananthgs: put your sources.list in a pastebin or #flood |
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| 13:30.50 | BleSS | EmleyMoor: it's true that I'm using over Truecypt, I don't know if this could give this failure |
| 13:30.51 | pist_ | How can I configure my system so that portmap and all the rpc stuff (mountd, statd,...) listen ONLY on the tun0 interface ? |
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| 13:31.14 | J-roen | abrotman: # apt-file search postgresql.conf gives only: postgresql-8.3: /usr/share/postgresql/8.3/postgresql.conf.sample |
| 13:31.37 | abrotman | J-roen: must be part of the package installation .. |
| 13:32.00 | J-roen | abrotman: So why doensn't recreate it for me when I do --force-confmiss? |
| 13:32.27 | pist_ | And where is the init sript for statd ? |
| 13:32.30 | abrotman | that does conf files |
| 13:32.43 | ananthgs | http://paste.debian.net/43488/ |
| 13:32.56 | ananthgs | abrotman: please check the above link |
| 13:33.32 | J-roen | abrotman: I'm sorry, what do you mean? Can I run something to do "conf files"? |
| 13:34.28 | abrotman | ananthgs: you need a main source .. see debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 13:34.40 | abrotman | ananthgs: pick one .. and ask us how to add it |
| 13:35.14 | pist_ | Hello. I have an NFS server restricted to my VPN network (tun0). How can I tell portmap and all the RPC stuff to listen only on 10.8.13.1 (my tun0 IP) ? |
| 13:35.17 | pist_ | And where is the init script for rpc.statd ? |
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| 13:36.29 | BleSS | EmleyMoor: solved! i had noexec, I could not see it because truecrypt mounts |
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| 13:38.08 | pist_ | Any idea ? |
| 13:38.21 | ananthgs | abrotman: i have done it |
| 13:38.34 | frede | hello, i have the following problem. i have used debian stable with colinux. then i upgraded to debian testing (renaming lenny to squeeze in sources.list and ran 'aptitude upgrade'). everything worked fine but next time i ran 'aptitude update' and installed some other packages i get an error involving the initrd. when i run aptitude now i get the following: |
| 13:38.34 | frede | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.34 | frede | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.34 | frede | there is no other tool installing packeges at this moment! |
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| 13:38.41 | ananthgs | and i tried apt-get install linux-image-686 |
| 13:38.42 | abrotman | ananthgs: done what? |
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| 13:38.48 | abrotman | ananthgs: you need to aptitude update first |
| 13:39.05 | ananthgs | and i got this: linux-image-686 is already the newest version |
| 13:39.16 | abrotman | did you update first ? |
| 13:39.20 | ananthgs | yes i know the process. i gave apt-get update too |
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| 13:39.30 | Titan8990_ | it is more likely that the module was designed for an older kernel than a new one |
| 13:39.44 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-686 --release lenny |
| 13:39.45 | judd | abrotman: linux-image-686 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
| 13:39.56 | abrotman | ananthgs: dpkg -l linux-image-686 .. does it match that version ? |
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| 13:40.06 | Kernel_Core | hi all |
| 13:40.12 | ananthgs | i have added this line to deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
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| 13:40.23 | ananthgs | to sources.list file |
| 13:40.27 | Kernel_Core | anybody familiar with Debian Live ? |
| 13:40.37 | abrotman | there's a #debian-live on OFTC |
| 13:41.19 | ananthgs | abrotman this is what i got |
| 13:41.21 | ananthgs | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 13:41.21 | ananthgs | | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 13:41.21 | ananthgs | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 13:41.21 | ananthgs | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 13:41.21 | ananthgs | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
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| 13:41.44 | abrotman | he asks to use #flood every other time ... |
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| 13:42.57 | Kernel_Core | :/j #debian-live |
| 13:43.13 | Kernel_Core | abrotman: which IRC Server ?! |
| 13:43.15 | abrotman | on OFTC |
| 13:43.17 | abrotman | i said that |
| 13:44.25 | pist_ | any idea ? |
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| 13:44.41 | ananthgs | http://paste.debian.net/43490/ |
| 13:44.56 | ananthgs | abrotman: please go through the above link |
| 13:45.08 | abrotman | ananthgs: how is that you have the linux-image-686 from backports.org .. but you're using the .26 from lenny? |
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| 13:45.52 | ananthgs | abrotman:ok do u want me to paste my menu.lst? |
| 13:46.02 | ananthgs | i have the latest kernel installed too |
| 13:46.16 | ananthgs | 2.6.30 |
| 13:46.23 | diddy | What is the command on Debian to restart networking after IP configuration changes. Is it not /etc/init.d/networking restart ??? |
| 13:46.40 | abrotman | ananthgs: find out which kernel that driver will build on before we continue trying to get you on a different kernel |
| 13:46.48 | abrotman | diddy: that should work |
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| 13:47.17 | diddy | abchirk_, It says Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 13:47.17 | diddy | done. |
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| 13:47.38 | abrotman | diddy: you can also use ifup/ifdown |
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| 13:47.52 | diddy | abrotman, thx |
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| 13:48.23 | zachary | Anyone happen to know why I am getting this issue: http://pastebin.com/m77862bb3 |
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| 13:49.46 | pist_ | Hello. I have an NFS server restricted to my VPN network (tun0). How can I tell portmap and all the RPC stuff to listen only on 10.8.13.1 (my tun0 IP) ? |
| 13:50.10 | the-dude | zachary: cause files are missing? of grub can't find them |
| 13:50.17 | pist_ | I already have -i 127.0.0.1 in /etc/default/portmap |
| 13:50.20 | pist_ | BUT. |
| 13:50.42 | zachary | the-dude: I figured it out, I needed to do cp -R /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/* /boot/grub |
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| 13:50.46 | zachary | be right back |
| 13:50.55 | pist_ | portmap does listen on this IP, however, all the rpc. does not. |
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| 13:51.26 | Hazelesque | pist_: um, won't that bind to loopback only? |
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| 13:51.37 | Hazelesque | rather than 10.....? |
| 13:51.44 | pist_ | Hazelesque: yeah. |
| 13:51.51 | pist_ | But I want to test with loopback before. |
| 13:52.07 | pist_ | If I succeed with loopback, I won't possibly fail |
| 13:52.08 | pist_ | : |
| 13:52.48 | Hazelesque | pist_: have you configured hosts.allow to allow the services to be accessed from 127.0.0.1? |
| 13:53.57 | pist_ | Hazelesque: I have disallowed all the services in hosts.deny and I allowed them only from 127.0.0.1. |
| 13:53.57 | pist_ | So yes. |
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| 13:54.27 | Hazelesque | ie, ALL: 127.0.0.1? |
| 13:54.32 | Hazelesque | in hosts.allow, and ALL: ALL in hosts.deny? |
| 13:54.39 | pist_ | No |
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| 13:55.03 | pist_ | In .deny > statd:ALL |
| 13:55.21 | pist_ | In .allow > statd: 127.0.0.0/8 |
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| 13:55.51 | Hazelesque | pist_: and, portmap? |
| 13:55.58 | pist_ | Hazelesque: same for all services, |
| 13:56.09 | pist_ | statd mount rquotad lockd portmap |
| 13:56.17 | Hazelesque | pist_: oh, you've manually listed each service? |
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| 13:56.42 | pist_ | Hazelesque: yeah but there is only 5 of them. |
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| 13:57.17 | Hazelesque | pist_: right, and you say that the other services are running, but not listening on the interface you want? |
| 13:57.41 | pist_ | Hazelesque: running, but listening on... everything (0.0.0.0) |
| 13:57.50 | Hazelesque | right |
| 13:57.56 | Hazelesque | have you edited the other default files? |
| 13:58.02 | Hazelesque | eg /etc/default/nfs-common |
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| 13:58.35 | pist_ | Not yet. |
| 13:58.43 | pist_ | i now the answer should be in those files. |
| 13:58.50 | pist_ | But I can't find the options in the mans. |
| 13:58.53 | pist_ | Only the listening port. |
| 13:59.40 | Hazelesque | pist: alternatively: specify the ports (as the defaults, just to make sure), then create iptables rules, so you have iptables and tcp_wrappers protecting you? |
| 13:59.58 | pist_ | Hazelesque: Yes but no. |
| 14:00.01 | karihre | hi, there was a command line program that turned a text (with $ <programname> "string") into a larger "ascii" version of it, it was listed on debaday once but I can't find it again, does anyone remember what program this is? |
| 14:00.09 | Hazelesque | pist_: also, see -H to rpc.nfsd? |
| 14:00.24 | pist_ | Hazelesque: I saw -H. |
| 14:00.42 | pist_ | but that's for a client, or net. Even if I add it it won't change the interface |
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| 14:01.18 | themill | karihre: od? hexdump? |
| 14:01.47 | Hazelesque | pist_: what do you mean? |
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| 14:02.04 | Hazelesque | -H or --host hostname |
| 14:02.06 | karihre | nah, more like it turned the string into an ascii "art" version of it (eg it would appear larger) |
| 14:02.11 | Hazelesque | specify a particular hostname (or address) that NFS requests will be accepted on. By default, rpc.nfsd will accept NFSrequests on all known network addresses. |
| 14:02.28 | justin | karihre: figlet, cowsay |
| 14:02.37 | pist_ | Hazelesque: I |
| 14:02.37 | pist_ | Hazelesque: I Indiquer à rpc.statd le nom à utiliser en tant que nom d'hôte local. Par défaut, |
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| 14:02.47 | pist_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.49 | pist_ | OH |
| 14:02.52 | pist_ | Sorry. |
| 14:02.54 | pist_ | Sorry sorry sorry. |
| 14:02.56 | pist_ | ****** mouse. |
| 14:03.12 | pist_ | yeah so, Hazelesque I've 2 problems with this option : |
| 14:03.24 | pist_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:03.35 | karihre | justin, spot on, thanks! |
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| 14:26.24 | denisesballs | hey guys i need help downgrading a few packages. im running lenny, but i need to downgrade libcurl3 which in turn downgrades php, apache etc. i added etch's sources.list and sudo apt-get install libcurl3=7.15.5-1etch2 works, but i keep having to do one package at a time. is there a way to automatically downgrade everything that needs it? |
| 14:27.00 | azeem_ | denisesballs: don't think so, no |
| 14:27.05 | azeem_ | downgrades aren't supported in general |
| 14:27.49 | denisesballs | i figured, plesk requires it. kind of a pain |
| 14:28.03 | denisesballs | so i have to just keep adding libcurl3=7.15.5-1etch2 php5-curl=5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15, etc. |
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| 14:28.45 | abrotman | don't use plesk |
| 14:28.59 | denisesballs | abrotman: why? |
| 14:29.09 | abrotman | i meant that would solve your problem |
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| 14:29.17 | denisesballs | clever |
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| 14:29.37 | abrotman | denisesballs: those packages would only have six months of security support left .. you can't use something other than plesk ? |
| 14:29.52 | denisesballs | something that would make it easier at least maybe you can help. libcurl3=7.15.5-1etch2 works, but in the apt-get manpage it says you can specify a realease but its not working: |
| 14:29.52 | denisesballs | sudo apt-get install libcurl3/etch |
| 14:29.52 | denisesballs | E: Release 'etch' for 'libcurl3' was not found |
| 14:30.14 | denisesballs | abrotman: not unless you can talk my boss into refunding his money and going with a different hosting option... |
| 14:30.30 | abrotman | denisesballs: not a problem! :) |
| 14:30.42 | denisesballs | but when i do sudo apt-show-versions -a -p libcurl3 i see: |
| 14:30.43 | denisesballs | libcurl3 7.15.5-1etch2 etch security.debian.org |
| 14:30.43 | denisesballs | libcurl3 7.15.5-1etch2 etch ftp.debian.org |
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| 14:30.52 | denisesballs | so why would it say that release isnt found? |
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| 14:33.33 | pist_ | I need to make the rpc.* daemons listen on a specific interface. They are listening on 0.0.0.0 at this time. |
| 14:33.36 | pist_ | ANy idea ? |
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| 14:36.26 | g00se | deniseballs: Try aptitude -t etch -s install libcurl3 |
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| 14:39.14 | denisesballs | g00se: i dont think so: sudo aptitude -t etch -s install libcurl3 |
| 14:39.14 | denisesballs | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 14:39.14 | denisesballs | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.14 | denisesballs | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
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| 14:40.26 | denisesballs | g00se: i dont think so - http://pastebin.com/d16c3863f |
| 14:41.05 | action09 | oy |
| 14:41.09 | denisesballs | manually specifying each dependency seems to work, but its gonna be a PITA to pin all them |
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| 15:01.26 | jamon | emacspeak in squeeze, doesn't want to work, setup docs are old and out of date, someone here use it mind giving me a hand? |
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| 15:02.26 | pist_ | I need to make the rpc.* daemons listen on a specific interface. They are listening on 0.0.0.0 at this time. |
| 15:02.33 | pist_ | Any idea ? |
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| 15:02.57 | justin | pist_: why do you need that? |
| 15:03.18 | RichiH | how can i remove the stupid 'do not copy text' bit from a pddf? |
| 15:03.45 | pist_ | justin: because my IT manager wants the less possible open ports. |
| 15:03.50 | yareckon | goddamn remote access is driving me nuts today.... gnome gvfs is buggy and slow, and kdeio doesn't update the remote file until the application editing it closes |
| 15:04.01 | yareckon | whoops, sorry for language |
| 15:04.04 | justin | pist_: use iptables then |
| 15:04.07 | pist_ | justin: and I don't know why I should have 5/6 open ports |
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| 15:04.13 | yareckon | just started typing :) |
| 15:04.13 | pist_ | Just for rpc |
| 15:04.25 | justin | yareckon: don't use the gui crap. mount the remote filesystem properly |
| 15:04.40 | pist_ | justin: yeah that's my actuel solution. But same my it manager uses his own scripts |
| 15:04.43 | yareckon | yeah, should do... |
| 15:04.44 | pist_ | And it's complicated |
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| 15:05.13 | justin | binding on a different interface is probably possible, but a propper FW setup makes it irrelevant... |
| 15:05.14 | abrotman | RichiH: using kpdf or whatever it is ? |
| 15:05.50 | themill | RichiH: istr pdftk can fiddle with those settings in the file |
| 15:06.04 | abrotman | RichiH: you could just uh .. print it to a PDF ? :) |
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| 15:06.30 | themill | pdf2ps | ps2pdf ... |
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| 15:12.30 | daemon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.29 | themill | !uninstall everything |
| 15:14.29 | dpkg | To uninstall just about every package from your machine except the ones in the "standard" install, try something like: "aptitude purge ~i ~pstandard+ ~prequired+ ~pimportant+". Add additional packages with a + or : after them to the end to stop them being removed. Look *carefully* at what aptitude is planning to do to make sure you agree. Ask me about <aptitude docs>. |
| 15:14.36 | daemon | thanks again :) |
| 15:15.13 | themill | no worries... emphasis on the "Look carefully at what it's going to do" bit... all care no responsibility etc. |
| 15:15.22 | daemon | :-) |
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| 15:21.07 | rares | emacs23 is ignoring dpi settings - what gives? |
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| 15:22.26 | rares | is there a way to set Xft.dpi for only one app? |
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| 15:24.34 | ilaiho | Hi |
| 15:25.11 | ilaiho | Does Debian Lenny support external monitors with iBook G4 |
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| 15:25.34 | Hardiel | hi |
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| 15:29.39 | hark | rares: a separate dpi just for emacs? |
| 15:29.55 | rares | yes |
| 15:30.21 | ranix | hm filelight is pretty amazingly good |
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| 15:30.35 | rares | i want to continue setting dpi for all other apps using the gnome control center but emacs23 seems to ignore that |
| 15:30.48 | hark | ranix: did you get sound working then? |
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| 15:31.02 | ranix | hark: ! yes I did |
| 15:31.38 | ranix | hark: I thought there was something wrong with the front panel / back panel identification at the end, so I hacked up a speaker and connected it to the front panel header |
| 15:32.08 | ranix | hark: and then sound started coming from the back panel! It turned out this motherboard needs to have jumpers bridging the FP header and throughput to the back panel |
| 15:32.36 | ranix | hark: it wasn't an alsa problem at all |
| 15:32.43 | hark | i said that! |
| 15:32.56 | ranix | :( I didn't catch it I guess |
| 15:33.32 | ranix | also, an apt-get upgrade fixed my intermittently failing to boot problem |
| 15:33.43 | ranix | so now this machine I found under a pile of crap is up and running |
| 15:33.52 | hark | !congratulate ranix |
| 15:33.52 | dpkg | Nice one ranix, you did it! |
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| 15:34.39 | hark | rares: check the dpi using xrdb -query or xdpyinfo |
| 15:34.59 | hark | rares: set it using xrandr -dpi |
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| 15:39.47 | mark_ | hi.. I have a java application that cannot bind to its port (over 1000) even though netstat shows nothing running on that port |
| 15:39.54 | mark_ | anyone know how i would debug this issue? |
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| 15:41.28 | justin | mark_: why do you say that it can't bind to the port? |
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| 15:41.49 | mark_ | the app comes back saying it can't bind to the port |
| 15:41.53 | justin | mark_: and you do know that the non reserved ports start at 1025, not 1000... |
| 15:42.03 | justin | mark_: it says "I can't bind to the port"? |
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| 15:45.13 | rares | i something like Emacs:Xft.hinting: off possible? |
| 15:45.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | mark_, "nc -l -p portno" to see if nc can bind to it? |
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| 15:46.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | mark_, "su -c fuser portno/tcp" would also show if it's used |
| 15:46.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | mark_, else... "strace -f -F -e open program" |
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| 15:49.24 | mark_ | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 15:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, I used gdmap... |
| 15:52.45 | McL0VIN | ok i need some assistance, i want to give user foo and user moo access to /bar . i know i will have to use chgrp and chown but i am confused where to start ...please help |
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| 15:53.16 | mark_ | McL0VIN: what sort of access? |
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| 15:53.44 | McL0VIN | if i 'mkdir bar and them=n put all the files i need foo and moo to access |
| 15:54.00 | McL0VIN | mark_: full access rwx |
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| 15:54.33 | ranix | wow that was completely unintelligible |
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| 15:55.24 | McL0VIN | mark_: but i also want /bar to part of a group , where i can always add users to that group and then they will have access to /bar content |
| 15:56.16 | NiLon | so you wanna directory to have 2 groups? |
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| 15:56.30 | Cynner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.35 | NiLon | or group where is users? :D like chown /bar :thatgroup |
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| 15:56.49 | McL0VIN | NiLon: i would like it to only be primary group |
| 15:56.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | McL0VIN, somewhat like add a group in /etc/group; addgroup user1;addgroup user2 ; chmod g+rw /bar; chown root:newgroup /bar; |
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| 15:57.29 | za3tout | j'ai un petit soucis concernant l'installation de FAI |
| 15:57.30 | za3tout | en executant la commande fai-setup -v j'ai eu ce problème : |
| 15:57.30 | za3tout | . |
| 15:57.30 | za3tout | I:configuring blabla |
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| 15:58.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | good shot |
| 15:58.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong language AND flooding |
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| 15:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | guy has talent |
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| 16:00.05 | McL0VIN | lmaorof @ CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 16:00.22 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: that would be addgroup newgroup; adduser user1 newgroup ; adduser user2 newgroup; and chmod g+s too? |
| 16:00.30 | themill | !permissions |
| 16:00.31 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 16:00.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, addgroup |
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| 16:00.56 | peterrooney | OK, have I gone mad? aptitude problem: arrow keys don't work for navigation, but vi-style commands do. what the heck happened? |
| 16:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I nearly never need to do this :) |
| 16:01.15 | themill | :) |
| 16:01.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | g+s is a good idea... also adjusting file masks to give rwX to the group somewhere in the users bashrc |
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| 16:02.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm sure just writing into /etc/group works too, though :) |
| 16:02.47 | themill | It's more that it should be "adduser user group" not just "addgroup user" in what you said. And yes, umask 002 is a good idea |
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| 16:04.30 | Kernel_Core | Guys... I am going to build my own USB debian installer , everything is fine , I download the latest netinstall.ISO , but when it comes to detect hardwares , I get this error : the Module and Kernel Mismatch , my Kernel is uname -a = 2.6.26-1-486 , how should I solve this problem ? |
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| 16:05.17 | Kernel_Core | where do I get the netinstaller for this kernel ?! |
| 16:06.05 | nan8 | hi - i just wanted to test a squeeze snapshot - unfortunately it killed my mbr - i thought: no problem i will just chroot into my existing system and reinstall grub2 - now i recognized: it seems grub2 using boot on lvm on md raid somehow got broken in up to date lenny? it worked for me before (though i don't often re-install into the mbr...) - any help? |
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| 16:06.41 | nan8 | the fun part is: lilo does not work anymore either :-( |
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| 16:08.08 | McL0VIN | now this is going to confuse me more i did cat /etc/group | grep ssh and my user name is not there . but i still can ssh to my box |
| 16:08.14 | nan8 | (btw: the installer asks wether you want to install into mbr - i said no! - then it asks for an alternate installation location - i left that field empty => zack mbr killed) |
| 16:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, the most reliable way to do it is man group; man addgroup; man chmod; help umask, though :-P |
| 16:10.51 | McL0VIN | ls -l |
| 16:10.54 | McL0VIN | ooops |
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| 16:14.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | McL0VIN, that's not what the ssh group is for... actually I think it's really not for anything but part of that habit to create users with a group of the same name |
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| 16:17.00 | jeeves | can someone here help me figure out how to get my sound working? this is my PCI bus output http://pastebin.ca/1520643 |
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| 16:17.32 | McL0VIN | jeeves: make sure you are a member on the sound group |
| 16:17.38 | McL0VIN | :) |
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| 16:18.08 | jeeves | McL0VIN, man, love 'da name. did you register the nic? |
| 16:18.30 | McL0VIN | jeeves: :) |
| 16:18.44 | McL0VIN | you watch the movie eh |
| 16:18.55 | jeeves | McL0VIN, yep. |
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| 16:19.18 | jeeves | McL0VIN, and I work @ a bar as a bouncer/bartender. you'd be amazed @ the crap comin' through |
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| 16:20.01 | jeeves | McL0VIN, and yes, I'm a member of that group. Any other ideas? According to the sound app (sorry, I'm running Ubuntu, and I don't feel like dealing with the "kids" in the #Ubuntu channel) |
| 16:20.12 | McL0VIN | jeeves: lol, am not a party guy thu but i can imagine |
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| 16:20.43 | valdyn | !ubuntu |
| 16:20.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:20.53 | stew | jeeves: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu, it's off-topic here |
| 16:21.36 | jeeves | stew, thanks for the update. I'm looking for REAL help |
| 16:21.49 | jeeves | McL0VIN, any ideas on this sound issue? |
| 16:22.01 | McL0VIN | jeeves: why on earth will come one use something other than Debian? you don't buy a BMW and put it in the garage eh |
| 16:22.04 | stew | jeeves: then try #ubuntu, ##linux, or perhaps a ubuntu web forum or mailing list |
| 16:22.08 | stew | jeeves: this is the wrong channel |
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| 16:22.41 | jeeves | McL0VIN, lol, it's why I bought a Jag (with a V12), and put a 500cid engine in it! |
| 16:22.57 | stew | this is even more off-topic |
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| 16:23.17 | jeeves | stew, well, I asked you in the #Ubuntu channel, and you ignored me |
| 16:23.28 | McL0VIN | jeeves: i learn from those masters( stew , abrotman, CutMeOwnThroat , valdyn ..etc) here so if they say no that mean no ! |
| 16:23.37 | valdyn | !tell jeeves -about smart questions |
| 16:23.39 | stew | jeeves: that's certainly not a reason to ask here |
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| 16:24.01 | jeeves | McL0VIN, lol, I'm lookin' for abrotman actully. he @ least helps |
| 16:24.04 | McL0VIN | but honestly bouncer dude , get rid of ubuntu and welcome to Debian |
| 16:24.17 | nan8 | i guess my problem is very similar to #500157 |
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| 16:24.33 | McL0VIN | don't use his name alot he will wake up and make our life like hell.... |
| 16:24.34 | acu | silly question - are all the url using only roman letters (no arabic or cyrilic or other characters - or names |
| 16:24.39 | McL0VIN | run and hide :) |
| 16:24.46 | jeeves | McL0VIN, I'm looking to use Solaris10 |
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| 16:25.09 | McL0VIN | jeeves: i use solaris 10 at work |
| 16:25.16 | marcompile | jeeves: try it. its support for audio and video is awesome |
| 16:25.22 | valdyn | acu: allowing non-latin letters is *very* dangerous |
| 16:25.32 | valdyn | acu: you don't want it |
| 16:25.40 | McL0VIN | lo @ marcompile |
| 16:25.45 | valdyn | acu: dns wouldnt have a problem with it |
| 16:25.45 | McL0VIN | *lol |
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| 16:26.05 | jeeves | well, I'm thinking of trying the non windows video editing. Any good one you guys can recommend that's like Premiere? |
| 16:26.20 | stew | jeeves: ask #ubuntu |
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| 16:26.26 | marcompile | jeeves: yes. Final Cut Pro is good non-windows video editing |
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| 16:26.36 | McL0VIN | jeeves: try cat /etc/group | grep jeevs |
| 16:26.37 | jeeves | stew, I did (and if you've been watching) no one there pays attention. |
| 16:26.47 | jeeves | marcompile, oh? will it work on Debian? |
| 16:26.53 | McL0VIN | see if your name is there |
| 16:26.55 | marcompile | jeeves: no. only on OSX |
| 16:26.58 | acu | valdyn: so the answer is nobody uses - I am working on starting a school and want to make it in different languages - so I am wondering if I should make names for each language |
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| 16:27.04 | McL0VIN | *under audio or what not |
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| 16:27.12 | acu | jeeves: Cinellera |
| 16:27.25 | jeeves | acu, ? URL? |
| 16:27.33 | marcompile | jeeves: http://ubuntustudio.org/ |
| 16:27.34 | jeeves | McL0VIN, I'm in the audo group |
| 16:27.47 | valdyn | acu: i dont know if isps and namesservers in general support it, but you *really* dont want to go that way, as I said, its dangerous |
| 16:27.54 | acu | kdenlive is the most active of all |
| 16:28.14 | jeeves | marcompile, ohhhhh!!!! <starts to drool> hummmmmm. |
| 16:28.27 | koollman | acu: some registrars allow more characters. And there are ways to encody utf8 in dns names, too. (via punycode) |
| 16:28.29 | jeeves | marcompile, I just hope it likes my firewire camera |
| 16:28.31 | acu | jeeves: and kino is the simplest to capture DV tapes |
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| 16:28.43 | marcompile | valdyn: i think unicode is well supported |
| 16:28.55 | koollman | marcompile: I wouldn't say 'well' :) |
| 16:29.04 | valdyn | marcompile: in URLs? i doubt that |
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| 16:29.24 | marcompile | koollman: in brazil you can register a domain with ã é àó ç etc |
| 16:29.31 | marcompile | but they are all latin chats |
| 16:29.33 | marcompile | chars |
| 16:29.35 | koollman | marcompile: yes. but the support isn't great ;) |
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| 16:29.57 | koollman | (I happen to work for a domain reseller and have to interface with many registrars) |
| 16:30.05 | jeeves | acu, I've used Kino before. I didn't know if the formats were portable, and if they'd do 1090i |
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| 16:30.12 | jeeves | acu, *1080 |
| 16:30.18 | marcompile | the problem is with bad software (eg. iis). But apache supports it very well |
| 16:30.27 | koollman | some registrars allow specific characters, some other allow specific unicode ranges |
| 16:30.51 | acu | jeeves: but to be honest any video editing for linux is 10 years behind proprietary solutions for Windows - I really want and need badly video editing - yes - HDTV 1080i is only supported by kdenlive - and is kind of primitive |
| 16:30.53 | koollman | (you can have cyrillic domains, for example, or chinese) |
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| 16:31.17 | jeeves | acu, boooo, I guess it's off to Windows then |
| 16:31.26 | koollman | acu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_name |
| 16:31.28 | torgrimt | acu: mac os x ;) |
| 16:31.34 | torgrimt | eventhough its also freedom hating |
| 16:31.39 | torgrimt | its way better then windows |
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| 16:32.32 | acu | jeeves: if you need to do your editing for living - forget about open source - you can do it asite |
| 16:32.39 | marcompile | If you are a complete amateur newbie with video editing, and if you use Final cut you will get great results |
| 16:33.16 | marcompile | But to work with crappy video editing software on linux you should be pro video h4x0r |
| 16:33.41 | marcompile | and even that you won't get results anywhere near final cut |
| 16:34.41 | marcompile | If you just want to get video from your camera do your PC using linux, that could be arranged somehow |
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| 16:35.08 | marcompile | I think the protocol for transfering video over firewire is supported |
| 16:35.17 | marcompile | its a common protocol i think |
| 16:35.18 | JPT | reminds marcompile of Big Buck Bunny |
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| 16:35.40 | acu | koolman: thanks for the link - is really informative - it seem that I should use a domain name with latin names but with phonetic pronoucation in different languages - e.g. open school arabic efta madrassa or something like this |
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| 16:37.23 | marcompile | there should have been very very painful to make this movie |
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| 16:38.03 | jeeves | My friend and I shoot concerts for fun (and side profit), and we have ~300 hours of 1080i quality video that's sitting on tapes that we need to get out as promo material. He has cerebral paulsey (not sure on the spelling), but we've made him a full body floating camera mount so he can get away with just using his one good hand, and all of the extra batteries and equipment are balanced on him |
| 16:38.12 | jeeves | but the hard part is for him to do the editing. |
| 16:38.28 | marcompile | and blender is a good software, compared to other linux multimedia creation software |
| 16:39.22 | ranix | so I've heard |
| 16:39.25 | ranix | I hate it |
| 16:39.30 | jeeves | so, it looks like I'm going to have to stick to Premiere (he bought the newest one for some reason). And I guess I should go have a shower and go hunting for a standard firewire400 to mini cord |
| 16:40.01 | marcompile | jeeves: if you can afford, buy a macintosh and use final cut if you care about the final editing results |
| 16:40.05 | themill | blender is a fairly poorly written mess that is likely to be removed from debian if it doesn't improve in the way it packages its libraries, from what we see on debian-devel recently |
| 16:40.05 | stew | then you guys could perhaps find a beter channel to discuss this in |
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| 16:40.31 | jeeves | #debian-video-off-topic? |
| 16:40.36 | marcompile | lol |
| 16:40.40 | ranix | we're all in ot |
| 16:40.41 | marcompile | i'm off |
| 16:40.46 | stew | jeeves: perhaps ##debian-video-off-topic |
| 16:41.02 | marcompile | #debian-video-alternatives |
| 16:41.04 | jeeves | stew, thanks. the "germ" of the idea was there |
| 16:41.10 | jeeves | marcompile, ttl |
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| 16:42.31 | acu | jeeves: anyhow since we are for Open Source - I think the one worth trying is http://www.kdenlive.org/ |
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| 16:43.04 | acu | just try it - is free and open and I think they have some good features in it - including high definition |
| 16:43.07 | jeeves | acu, has the "look" of premiere |
| 16:43.18 | acu | yes - indeed |
| 16:43.50 | jeeves | acu, you said Sun is good for video? |
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| 16:44.17 | acu | jeeves: I do not know - did not try - I am using Debian only |
| 16:44.23 | jeeves | acu, ahhhh |
| 16:44.42 | acu | jeeves: I do not know about kdenlive - but cinellera allows you farm rendering |
| 16:45.05 | jeeves | acu, ohhhhh |
| 16:45.22 | jeeves | acu, that could put these 1U dual 2.4Ghz systems to use! |
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| 16:45.50 | acu | jeeves: i am sure Sun have to be a good platform - this guys were on graphics - hospital Xrays etc since 20 years or so |
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| 16:46.23 | jeeves | acu, yea. the only reason I installed it was so I could play around with my 900Gb SCSI storage array |
| 16:46.25 | diddy | What is a tempfs for and why would I want to mount a fs in RAM? |
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| 16:46.44 | stew | diddy: becuase it would be a lot faster |
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| 16:47.24 | diddy | stew, I can not think of a situation where I would require it. Could you give me an example? |
| 16:47.38 | valdyn | diddy: because you dont need the contents on disk ever |
| 16:47.54 | stew | diddy: i can't think of a situation where you'd need it. however using it would make operations in the temp space MUCH faster |
| 16:47.59 | jvm | hi. is there a way to automatically check for potentially dangerous file access rights on a multi-user system? |
| 16:48.01 | valdyn | diddy: or because you dont have a disk available |
| 16:48.03 | diddy | stew, the size of this file system would be very slow unless you gave gigs of RAM. So what could be stored there? |
| 16:48.13 | justin | diddy: du -hs /tmp |
| 16:48.13 | stew | diddy: small temporary files |
| 16:48.51 | diddy | valdyn, good point. |
| 16:49.56 | diddy | Would an tmpfs extend the life of a physical hard drive because it is not written to as often anymore? |
| 16:50.03 | acu | jvm: if you did not put some thought before starting - it nearly imposible (dependes how many files and users you have though) - usually u create groups and asign write to groups - then you add users to the groups not agonizing about each user what rights to do - because you will have some kind of Admins, Managers, LayUsers :) groups |
| 16:50.06 | valdyn | diddy: theoretically |
| 16:50.16 | diddy | valdyn, practically? |
| 16:50.20 | jeeves | acu, do you have the link to cinedrella? |
| 16:50.43 | valdyn | diddy: practically most data is to large and not auto generated |
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| 16:51.21 | craigevil | jeeves: http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php |
| 16:51.21 | acu | jeeves - there are two branches - http://cinelerra.org/ |
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| 16:52.41 | jeeves | thanks guys. I'm going to hunt down this firewire cable before I do too much more |
| 16:52.46 | craigevil | cinelerra is also in the dmm repo |
| 16:52.51 | jvm | acu, but auto checking of files in /etc, /var, /usr, etc. should be possible, or not? |
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| 16:54.53 | fantasticulous | any idea how to configure ircd-hybrid for shorter hostname lookups? it takes 20-30 seconds to connect to it |
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| 16:56.09 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: use a local caching nameserver. dnsmasq even allows you to keep a disk cache if memory serves. |
| 16:56.36 | fantasticulous | i was thinking more like setting the timeout to 15 seconds somehow |
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| 16:58.21 | fantasticulous | Vorbote: freenode and quakenet do really quick lookups, can it be because they use a cache? |
| 16:58.55 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: You can set up a time out but what you really need is an asynchronous lookup service. Else you'll have lots of connect failures. And yes, sure they use a DNS cache. |
| 16:59.09 | fantasticulous | Vorbote: what's the easiest path? |
| 16:59.23 | fantasticulous | (i just installed dnsmasq package btw) |
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| 17:00.16 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: Use a caching asynchronous nameserver, make OpenDNS its primary and set your IRC server to use localhost for all DNS :-) |
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| 17:01.37 | fantasticulous | well alright |
| 17:01.48 | fantasticulous | but i need to be walked through the steps |
| 17:01.54 | fantasticulous | is dnsproxy good/ |
| 17:01.55 | fantasticulous | ? |
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| 17:02.52 | abrotman | jeevbah |
| 17:02.53 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: dnsproxy is used when you are behind a firewall and want to use extenal DNS servers (for whatever reasons). dnsmasq has a lot more functionality. |
| 17:03.12 | fantasticulous | okay, i already installed dnsmasq |
| 17:03.18 | fantasticulous | now i have to configure it to use OpenDNS? |
| 17:04.49 | Vorbote | OK, haven't done this in a while. So.... Check the configuration file (/etc/dnsmasq.conf) There is a section where you set your upstream DNS servers. |
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| 17:05.40 | Vorbote | There you set the OpenDNS ips |
| 17:07.01 | Vorbote | As well you'll fine a line to set the listening-interfaces, make sure it is uncommented and points to the localhost ip: 127.0.0.1 |
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| 17:07.27 | Vorbote | s/listening-interfaces/listening-addresses/ |
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| 17:10.32 | Vorbote | then when you are ready, restart dnsmasq, add "nameserver 127.0.0.1" as first server in /etc/resolv.conf, and you are set. |
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| 17:11.39 | Apachez | why isnt "imagerotate" included in debians php5-gd package? How do I fix this? :) |
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| 17:15.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Apachez -about apt-file |
| 17:16.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't seem to exist, though |
| 17:16.11 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there guys ...can i install KDE 4.3 in lenny ? |
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| 17:16.46 | SERGIU_CH_ | Hi |
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| 17:17.00 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, if you want to, sure |
| 17:17.06 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, might not be easy however |
| 17:17.13 | SERGIU_CH_ | anyone know, how to install last enlightenment on debian ? |
| 17:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions kde |
| 17:17.19 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48 |
| 17:17.20 | cobra-the-joker | Titan8990 , dont tell me that i have to compile :( |
| 17:17.41 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, i highly doubt they have already package code that was released today |
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| 17:18.28 | Titan8990 | SERGIU_CH_, only e16 is in the main repos, did you check the enlightenment website? |
| 17:18.32 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: ask #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net .. but i don't think they have the backport ready |
| 17:18.33 | cobra-the-joker | Titan8990 , so what is the easiest way then ? |
| 17:18.37 | abrotman | !e17 |
| 17:18.37 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. Ask me about <DR17>, or http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=998439&cid=25407381 . Also ask me about <enlightenment>. |
| 17:18.43 | abrotman | bah |
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| 17:18.45 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 17:18.45 | dpkg | it has been said that dr17 is [DR17 debs] http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/ or 'e17-*' packages are available in <experimental>. DR == Development Release |
| 17:18.45 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, wait |
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| 17:18.47 | SERGIU_CH_ | <Titan8990 aha, thanks. |
| 17:18.48 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 17:18.52 | abrotman | not sure why they don't merge them |
| 17:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, kde4 is in testing/unstable you should go to testing if you want it - see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html |
| 17:19.39 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, wrong person, i have no interest in kde |
| 17:19.40 | sphenxes | I have more than 300 photos which i would like to change to thumbnail photos. what program can do it for me (Debian, Lenny)? |
| 17:19.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 17:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | cobra-the-joker, ^^^ meant you |
| 17:20.08 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, everyime i use it i think "I would like some desktop with this bloat" |
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| 17:20.16 | cobra-the-joker | CutMeOwnThroat , ok |
| 17:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, I wouldn't touch KDE with a 22 inch monitor... |
| 17:21.00 | Apachez | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks but I found why... seems like debian policy is a bit, retarded? :P, so imagerotate will never be included in php5-gd... only fix it to compile php5 on your own :( |
| 17:21.23 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, lol i used to run icewm on a 24 in 1920x1200 res... man was that a bad idea |
| 17:21.46 | cobra-the-joker | People in #debian-kde told me that i cant :'( |
| 17:22.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | everything is possible... it's just software |
| 17:22.15 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, just wait or use an easily-breakable distro that pretty much has svn trunks in their repos |
| 17:22.21 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, or compile yourself |
| 17:22.42 | cobra-the-joker | Titan8990 , its like telling me use Fedora :( |
| 17:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't do it using pre-prepared packages, though |
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| 17:22.59 | ranix | Apachez: It is a burden on the security team to ship |
| 17:22.59 | ranix | bundled copies of a library in a package; if these features of the bundled |
| 17:22.59 | ranix | GD library are important, they should be made available in the upstream |
| 17:22.59 | ranix | version. |
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| 17:23.09 | ranix | sorry, didn't realize that was so long |
| 17:23.15 | cobra-the-joker | i guess i will stick with KDE 3.5 for now |
| 17:23.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, what is it with kde version numbers... I can't read those |
| 17:23.31 | craigevil | cobra-the-joker: the newest kde4 you can get on lenny is kde4.2 |
| 17:23.36 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, no, was actually thinking more gentoo or arch.... i highly doubt you would find kde 4.3 in their repos |
| 17:23.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions kdebase |
| 17:23.41 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 squeeze: 4:4.2.4-1 sid: 4:4.3.0-1 |
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| 17:23.57 | asterox | hi people, i brought an hp dv2000 with an infrared remote control... but i can't make it run. I try lirc, but nothing |
| 17:24.02 | ranix | Apachez: Debian policy on shared libraries is pretty specific. This is a strong, standard security issue |
| 17:24.07 | cobra-the-joker | Titan8990 , arch sucks |
| 17:24.18 | cobra-the-joker | dont know about gentoo :-/ |
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| 17:24.30 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker,and why does arch suck? |
| 17:24.32 | asterox | lsusb does'nt show it |
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| 17:24.43 | asterox | what can i do? |
| 17:24.47 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, out of curiosity |
| 17:24.47 | cobra-the-joker | WASTE of TIME !!!! |
| 17:24.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, 3 different kdebase in sid? |
| 17:24.48 | asterox | any ideas |
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| 17:24.57 | fantasticulous | Vorbote: sorry, there was a power outage |
| 17:25.09 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, explain |
| 17:25.12 | cobra-the-joker | Titan8990 , but when it works its really cool :D |
| 17:25.21 | Apachez | ranix: yeah but a bit sad when you need imagerotate :P |
| 17:25.24 | fantasticulous | Vorbote: i added two nameservers to /etc/resolv.dnsmasq |
| 17:25.27 | Apachez | now Im forced to compile php on my own |
| 17:25.31 | Apachez | breaking the package system in debian |
| 17:25.31 | cobra-the-joker | you have to do every thing yourSelf ...thats not very apropriate for me |
| 17:25.31 | fantasticulous | it seems to be connecting faster now |
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| 17:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Apachez about custom package |
| 17:25.44 | harking | anyone know when this will be backported to lenny (if ever) or what the process is for getting that started? http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2009/06/09/dos-vulnerability-in-bigdecimal/ |
| 17:25.47 | Apachez | which will lead to even larger security hole since php will no longer be update through upgrade och dist-upgrade |
| 17:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | grr |
| 17:25.53 | cobra-the-joker | Titan8990 , i installed the X11 and gnome in about 3 or 4days |
| 17:25.55 | harking | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/r/ruby1.8/ruby1.8_1.8.7.72-3/changelog is the changelog for lenny ruby1.8 |
| 17:25.57 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, so what your saying is that it doesn't suck, but you don't like it... |
| 17:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's it with me and factoids today |
| 17:25.58 | ranix | Apachez: yeah, but this is the fault of the poor coding practices used by the application developer |
| 17:26.07 | ranix | Apachez: at some point somebody has to put his foot down |
| 17:26.11 | cobra-the-joker | Titan8990 , sucks for me though |
| 17:26.13 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, arch is MUCH easier than something like gentoo |
| 17:26.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Apachez about build custom package |
| 17:26.17 | ranix | you CANNOT bundle standard libraries |
| 17:26.20 | Apachez | ranix: yeah I know the reasons and accept them... but it still sucks :) |
| 17:26.21 | themill | Apachez: /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 17:26.27 | ranix | ;) |
| 17:26.29 | Apachez | !tell CutMeOwnThroat knock it off |
| 17:26.33 | cobra-the-joker | gentoo .is harder than arch :D:D |
| 17:26.40 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: Great. Edit /etc/dnsmasq.conf to have "listening-addresses=127.0.0.1" (no need to have leechers on your DNS service :-)) |
| 17:26.46 | cobra-the-joker | Titan8990 , i would stay away of it then |
| 17:26.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Apachez, ah, you don't want help... you should of said |
| 17:26.53 | Apachez | I mean if I wanted to compile my own stuff I would install gentoo instead of debian ;) |
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| 17:26.58 | harking | nm, just found this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=532689 |
| 17:26.58 | fantasticulous | Vorbote: oh, that's a security measure |
| 17:27.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | goes to sleep |
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| 17:27.01 | ranix | CutMeOwnThroat: well he got help now we're just discussing the nature of the problem |
| 17:27.07 | PuppetMaster | How can I reconfigure PAM to default? |
| 17:27.14 | ranix | I'm surprised the php guys would do that actually |
| 17:27.16 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: now, restart dnsmasq "/etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart" |
| 17:27.20 | PuppetMaster | :( |
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| 17:27.37 | cobra-the-joker | I dont want to change debian for a piece of software ....every thing seems to work here |
| 17:27.50 | fantasticulous | Vorbote: what if my localhost is 127.0.1.1 ? |
| 17:27.54 | fantasticulous | (behind a router?) |
| 17:28.04 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, then its best to wait |
| 17:28.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | cobra-the-joker, and you don't think installing kde4 would be a sure way to stop this state of being? |
| 17:28.21 | paxcoder | Lately when I log into GNOME, I get this message: http://paste.debian.net/43515/ <-- can anyone guess a cause? |
| 17:28.28 | Titan8990 | cobra-the-joker, i learned a while ago that the latest and greatest typically isn't as good as whats already stable |
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| 17:28.38 | fantasticulous | Vorbote: it said bad line |
| 17:28.46 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: last, edit /etc/resolv.conf and add "nameserver 127.0.1.1" as first nameserver (if you configured localhost as 127.0.1.1 you made put your hoof in your mouth but that you can fix later :-)) |
| 17:28.53 | themill | Apachez: you need to push php to actually contribute their modifications back to gd in a usable fashion. The sooner they learn to work with upstream libraries the better. |
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| 17:29.07 | fantasticulous | Vorbote: i don't know why it's 127.0.1.1 |
| 17:29.14 | fantasticulous | Vorbote: but that line didn't work |
| 17:29.23 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: What line? |
| 17:29.33 | fantasticulous | listening-addresses=127.0.0.1 |
| 17:29.38 | fantasticulous | it said: |
| 17:29.46 | fantasticulous | dnsmasq: bad option at line 508 of /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
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| 17:30.38 | Apachez | http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2009/08/05 |
| 17:30.40 | Apachez | over n out |
| 17:30.46 | cobra-the-joker | Stable is best for me |
| 17:30.47 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: listen-address |
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| 17:30.56 | fantasticulous | yes google helped :) |
| 17:31.00 | fantasticulous | okay |
| 17:31.23 | fantasticulous | okay |
| 17:31.44 | fantasticulous | seems to connect way faster now |
| 17:31.44 | fantasticulous | :) |
| 17:31.56 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: to fix the localhost address problem, check /etc/hosts You can fix it there, but you will need to reboot immediately after. |
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| 17:32.20 | ivenkys | gents question : what option do i need to select to install the debian src + gcc + make etc - this is in tasksel |
| 17:32.30 | paxcoder | BTW. If noone knows what my problem is, I'll just say that paste.debian.net is not wrapping lines. Oh, the beauty of CSS layouting. |
| 17:32.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, he obviously didn't know how easy it is to build a slightly modified package... |
| 17:32.40 | fantasticulous | can i use wildcards in /etc/hosts ? |
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| 17:32.44 | alex12 | hello, i notice my server is sitting on a load of 1... i think its a hanging process, maybe a mount or something, how can i find whats causing this? |
| 17:32.45 | Titan8990 | ivenkys, no, metapackage called build-essential |
| 17:33.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | fantasticulous, "man hosts"? |
| 17:33.14 | ivenkys | Titan8990: not in tasksel at least , unless thats an answer |
| 17:33.25 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: as well if you are getting your IP from DHCP, you'll need to force the nameserver address in /etc/dchp3/chclient.conf |
| 17:33.36 | Vorbote | s/chclient/dhclient/ |
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| 17:33.58 | fantasticulous | Vorbote: why do i need to edit that too? |
| 17:34.17 | ivenkys | i need to compile my own kernel and i am unable to get /usr/src or any of the other tools on installation |
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| 17:34.30 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: only if your box gets its ip from DHCP |
| 17:34.35 | fantasticulous | well it does |
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| 17:35.01 | Titan8990 | ivenkys, no, its not part of tasksel |
| 17:35.12 | fantasticulous | Vorbote: i really just wanted this for the reverse lookup for the irc server, not the whole system, and it seems that even with minimal installation it worked fine :) |
| 17:35.32 | ivenkys | Titan8990: any other way of achieving the same thing |
| 17:35.57 | fantasticulous | brb |
| 17:35.58 | Vorbote | fantasticulous: Then add a prepend line "prepend-nameserver: 127.0.0.1" or is it prefix-nameserver... Lemme check |
| 17:36.43 | Titan8990 | ivenkys, aptitude install build-essential |
| 17:36.53 | ivenkys | Titan8990: aah that was my next question |
| 17:36.57 | Titan8990 | !tell ivenkys about build-essential |
| 17:36.57 | ivenkys | Titan8990: thanks |
| 17:37.15 | Titan8990 | np |
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| 17:38.02 | ivenkys | Titan8990: i come from BSD land - not having sources is ..hmm.. strange to me .. :-) |
| 17:38.20 | Titan8990 | ivenkys, i come from gentoo so its same for me hehe |
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| 17:38.45 | ivenkys | Titan8990: how is gentoo now-a-days - i remember it from the old days |
| 17:38.45 | Titan8990 | ivenkys, you all atleast get a binary package option |
| 17:38.47 | _Kuba | Hi guys! |
| 17:38.53 | _Kuba | Got one problem |
| 17:38.59 | peterrooney | Titan8990: ivenkys: debian does have apt-src, for similar functionality. |
| 17:39.03 | Titan8990 | ivenkys, it has its up and downs |
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| 17:39.22 | ivenkys | peterrooney: apt-src.. must check |
| 17:39.23 | Titan8990 | peterrooney, uhh, no... that is not similar functionality but useful nonetheless |
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| 17:40.00 | Titan8990 | ivenkys, typical usage is apt-get source PACKAGE | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:40.00 | ivenkys | Titan8990: peterrooney : i wouldnt be in strange lands - if BSD had proper 64 bit desktop support |
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| 17:40.12 | peterrooney | Titan8990: perhaps my view is too simple minded: you download the source and compile it. |
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| 17:40.30 | Titan8990 | peterrooney, very simple minded... |
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| 17:41.05 | ivenkys | Titan8990: i left gentoo when the big ruckus happened and people "moved" on |
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| 17:41.11 | Titan8990 | peterrooney, portage and ports contains snapshots of scripts to compile packages and the gentoo varient allows you to fine-tune the methods in which its compiled |
| 17:41.42 | Titan8990 | ivenkys, i only began using it about a year ago so I wasn't around for that |
| 17:41.56 | iamcalledrob | a shot in the dark.. does anyone know how I would go about load balancing between two servers (US and Europe), so the client is automatically routed to the fastest server? what kinda tech would I be looking into? |
| 17:42.05 | Titan8990 | ivenkys, but are you referring to the funtoo fork? |
| 17:42.16 | iamcalledrob | (by fastest server I mean lowest latency) |
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| 17:42.24 | Vorbote | iamcalledrob: DNS servers with geoip patches. |
| 17:42.33 | ivenkys | peterrooney: additionally , the whole kernel+userland is exists together all the time and is built together |
| 17:43.05 | iamcalledrob | Vorbote: awesome, that pulls up the google results I want :) terrible if you don't know the terminology though |
| 17:43.11 | ivenkys | peterrooney: so you almost cannot have a distribution without gcc or make , if you see what i mean |
| 17:43.22 | ivenkys | Titan8990: nope - before that the DR fiasco . |
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| 17:43.32 | Vorbote | iamcalledrob: ;-) |
| 17:43.46 | _Kuba | How to call a program which source is avaible for public *view*, but only for it? Is it Open Source? |
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| 17:44.11 | peterrooney | ivenkys: i think so. I dunno if the debian base install includes gcc and make. |
| 17:44.24 | dondelelcaro | _Kuba: depends on the license; generally it's not open source if you can't do stuff with the source. |
| 17:44.38 | Vorbote | _Kuba: if the license is not recognized by the OSI, it ain't opensource |
| 17:44.48 | Titan8990 | _Kuba, the code should ship with a copy of the license |
| 17:44.52 | _Kuba | Erm |
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| 17:45.06 | _Kuba | Lets say the program does not have a license |
| 17:45.08 | peterrooney | ivenkys: i've been pulling forward my `dpkg --getselections` from one machine to another for so long, I don't usually think about what's in a base install. |
| 17:45.09 | ivenkys | peterrooney: nope it doesnt - hence my surprise |
| 17:45.13 | _Kuba | But we know it is propiertary |
| 17:45.25 | _Kuba | However I can look at the source code |
| 17:45.35 | dondelelcaro | _Kuba: then it's not open source; it just has source code available |
| 17:45.37 | _Kuba | It seems that "Open Source" name is not intuitive |
| 17:45.57 | Titan8990 | _Kuba, if its proprietary then it has a license |
| 17:46.03 | _Kuba | Maybe I should distinguish between "open source" and "Open Source" |
| 17:46.04 | peterrooney | _Kuba: it's not open, it's behind a glass cage. |
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| 17:46.22 | dondelelcaro | _Kuba: open means more than just "viewable source" |
| 17:46.30 | _Kuba | ahh |
| 17:46.33 | Vorbote | _Kuba: if it doesn't have a license it falls in the public domain and that in the USA means it is propietary as it belongs to its author who have given no use rights. The situation is different in other parts of the world. |
| 17:46.37 | ivenkys | peterrooney: in the BSD world and in gentoo your system only exists with its tool - in the BSD world its a little bit more harder - you cannot say i want gcc 2.x with kernel 2.y for e.g. such a thing doesnt make sense |
| 17:47.13 | _Kuba | Vorbote: You say that if program doesn't have a license it is in public domain? |
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| 17:47.37 | dondelelcaro | ivenkys: so install build-essential? |
| 17:47.39 | peterrooney | Vorbote: Copyright still applies |
| 17:47.45 | _Kuba | ^ Yeah |
| 17:47.57 | _Kuba | No licencse -> propiertary |
| 17:48.00 | ajavid | !seen enouf |
| 17:48.01 | dpkg | enouf <~enouf@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 19h 53s ago, saying: 'themill: got the point - taken care of, thanks'. |
| 17:48.03 | _Kuba | With copyrights |
| 17:48.18 | ivenkys | dondelelcaro: yes .. :-) |
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| 17:48.34 | themill | _Kuba: there are are a number of companies that are trying to use the words "open source" to describe their "look-but-don't-touch" licences. |
| 17:48.39 | Vorbote | _Kuba: that's correct. The problem is what is understood as public domain and how it is managed. In the USA it defaults to be bound by the Copyright Laws, that's not the case in Europe, for example.} |
| 17:48.47 | ivenkys | dondelelcaro: once i get my system installed then thats the first command to run |
| 17:49.01 | abrotman | ajavid: that's on OFTC |
| 17:49.05 | themill | Vorbote: err... yes it is, and in every other country that has signed the Bern Convention. |
| 17:49.31 | ajavid | abrotman, been gone 2 days, just curious what his last message was |
| 17:49.39 | abrotman | ajavid: i could tell you, but i'd get banned |
| 17:49.44 | ajavid | huh? |
| 17:50.02 | ajavid | head scratching in progress |
| 17:50.40 | ajavid | anyway, I just installed python-kiwi, its an MVC framework for pyGtk, how cool is that! |
| 17:51.04 | ajavid | judd version python-kiwi |
| 17:51.05 | judd | ajavid: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 17:51.11 | ajavid | judd versions python-kiwi |
| 17:51.11 | judd | ajavid: python-kiwi -- etch: 1.9.9-2 lenny: 1.9.22-1 sid: 1.9.22-1 squeeze: 1.9.22-1 |
| 17:51.48 | ajavid | upstream is upto 1.9.26 |
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| 17:51.51 | et | I seem to be stupid. if my /etc/apt/preferences is http://paste.debian.net/43518/ i should not get stuff from backports unless i asked them to be installed, right? |
| 17:52.07 | Vorbote | themill: The Bern Convention does not enforce USA laws on the signing parts. That's why the US corporations use the WTO as henchmen to try to force the US patent and copyright legislation on other countries (believe me I've been privy to a couple of cases and not directly related to software, but rather genetic patenting and biodiversity stealing). |
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| 17:53.06 | ajavid | et, do you understand priorities |
| 17:53.29 | themill | Vorbote: misread what you originally said... :) |
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| 17:54.10 | neoark | is here a way to check what configure option was a package made with? |
| 17:54.29 | Vorbote | themill: :-) |
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| 17:55.11 | abrotman | !debian/rules |
| 17:55.11 | dpkg | the makefile that's used when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules to change compilation options. Be aware that some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. Also ask me about <hold> <package recompile> <source>. |
| 17:55.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | neoark, you could get the source package.... and see what it does |
| 17:55.18 | neoark | anyone ? |
| 17:55.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
| 17:55.26 | ajavid | neoark, one way i know of is to download the source package and look at debian/rules file |
| 17:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | neoark, 2 answers not enough? |
| 17:55.39 | themill | ajavid: reportbug python-kiwi / new upstream version available ... or join DPMT and help package the new version... |
| 17:55.39 | neoark | k |
| 17:55.43 | et | ajavid: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html implies it's for ordering |
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| 17:56.14 | themill | et: "man 5 apt_preferences" there's more to it than that. The numbers also have meaning. |
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| 17:56.22 | stew | neoark: you can also perhaps look up the build logs at http://buildd.debian.net/packagename |
| 17:56.33 | neoark | CutMeOwnThroat it doesn't have source |
| 17:56.49 | neoark | ty starenka |
| 17:56.56 | neoark | stew |
| 17:57.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | neoark, read the factoid abrotman called up |
| 17:57.15 | stew | neoark: what package doesn't have source? |
| 17:57.28 | stew | neoark: what I'm talking about would only work for a debian pacakge, which would have source |
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| 17:58.39 | cmihai | Does anyone remember that issue with Debian 4.x something installer freezing after selecting an apt mirror on a non-networked machine? |
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| 17:58.52 | cmihai | Searching for like 10 minutes for the mirror, timing out, then asking again for the mirror, etc? |
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| 17:59.24 | neoark | stew eggdrop |
| 17:59.25 | neoark | lol |
| 17:59.48 | _Kuba | Thanks guys for your response! |
| 18:00.10 | stew | neoark: eggdrop does have source, "apt-get source eggdrop" and look at eggdrop-$version/debian/rules |
| 18:00.36 | stew | DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --enable-tcl-threads |
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| 18:00.42 | neoark | stew E: Unable to find a source package for eggdrop |
| 18:00.54 | stew | neoark: do you have any deb-src lines in sources.list? |
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| 18:01.30 | neoark | yeh i think let me double check |
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| 18:02.53 | neoark | stew i c thanks was missing only had it for volatile |
| 18:04.04 | SerajewelKS | when constructing a bash pipeline like (a|b) is there a way to cause the whole pipeline to fail if any command in the chain does not exit with code 0? |
| 18:04.17 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: set -o pipefail |
| 18:04.19 | SerajewelKS | right now a is exiting with code 1 and b is exiting with code 0, causing it to succeed, which is not what i want |
| 18:04.33 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: hmm, this will work in makefiles too? |
| 18:04.52 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: only if you run it as part of the same line, and you set SHELL=/bin/bash |
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| 18:05.12 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: if i'm not depending on bash, what are my other options, aside from using temporary files for the pipeline |
| 18:05.52 | SerajewelKS | i thought about (((a ; EXIT=$?) | b) ; exit $EXIT) |
| 18:05.57 | SerajewelKS | but that seems a bit nasty |
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| 18:06.41 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: won't work anyway |
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| 18:07.01 | SerajewelKS | hrm |
| 18:07.07 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: even without the (), the ends of a pipeline might (and usually do) run in subshells |
| 18:07.20 | simonrvn | Vorbote: mind if i /msg you? |
| 18:07.28 | SerajewelKS | right, scope |
| 18:07.37 | SerajewelKS | scratches head |
| 18:07.56 | SerajewelKS | well that's obnoxious |
| 18:08.00 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: without writing temp file, you could maybe use a fifo |
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| 18:08.12 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: but that still involves creating a file |
| 18:08.14 | SerajewelKS | true, seems a bit much for a fifo and even less portable |
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| 18:08.21 | SerajewelKS | s/fifo/makefile/ |
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| 18:08.41 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: I can think of a few different ways to solve it in bash.. for Posix shell, though... |
| 18:08.46 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: what is the second program? |
| 18:08.52 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: sed |
| 18:10.27 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: hm... is the sed doing something difficult? |
| 18:10.42 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: that depends on what you consider difficult |
| 18:10.57 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: it's about 13 lines of sed |
| 18:11.35 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: oh, so probably not something that could be done by stripping strings matching wildcards from the beginning/end of the string; so fancy parameter expansion isn't enough |
| 18:11.58 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: how about var=$(firstprog) && printf '%s\n' "$var" | sed .... |
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| 18:13.44 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: we're filtering potentially large files though, that could be bad for memory and performance... |
| 18:14.33 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: then you might be stuck using a tempfile or fifo |
| 18:14.54 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: #bash might be able to offer suggestions, if you mention you're writing for Posix shell |
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| 18:20.52 | Bad_Religion | i just upgraded from etch to lenny kernel is 2.6.26-2-686 how safe is it to remove my etch packages |
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| 18:21.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | what etch packages |
| 18:22.06 | Bad_Religion | can I priv msg them to you |
| 18:22.13 | Bad_Religion | do not want to spam the channel with pkg list |
| 18:22.39 | ivenkys | what am i missing here : I want the source of my current kernel which 2.6.26-2-amd64 , i try apt-get install linux-source-2.6.26-2-amd64 - says cannot find package |
| 18:23.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Bad_Religion -about pastebin |
| 18:23.30 | abrotman | Bad_Religion: use a pastebin |
| 18:23.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bad_Religion, I don't understand the question, though... |
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| 18:24.07 | craigevil | ivenkys: do you want the source or do you need the kernel headers? linux-headers-2.6.26-2-all-amd6 |
| 18:24.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you went to lenny, there ideally shouldn't be any etch packages left... |
| 18:24.26 | abrotman | there are some that don't get transitioned |
| 18:24.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but e.g. apache1 isn't in lenny anymore, so it can't be upgraded, so the etch apache1 sticks around |
| 18:24.32 | ivenkys | craigevil: no the complete source |
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| 18:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | obiously, it's only "safe" to remove apache1 then, after you installed/configured apache2 |
| 18:25.05 | ivenkys | craigevil: i need to re-compile the kernel |
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| 18:25.26 | ivenkys | bear with me i am coming from a BSD background |
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| 18:26.07 | Bad_Religion | http://paste.debian.net/43520/ |
| 18:26.36 | Titan8990 | ivenkys, feel free to pm |
| 18:27.00 | ivenkys | Titan8990: thanks |
| 18:27.04 | craigevil | ivenkys: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26.orig.tar.gz |
| 18:27.17 | Bad_Religion | CutMeOwnThroat: I also have some php4 (and I havfe upped to php5) very old kernel-images |
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| 18:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bad_Religion, guess what I said about apache applies to you :) |
| 18:27.49 | craigevil | ivenkys: check that you have a deb-src line in your sources.list |
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| 18:28.55 | Serraphyn | I installed debian 5 via network installer on my Dell Latitude C600 850Mhz laptop with wifi card and 256M ram. My problems are as follows: 1 video resolution max in gnome is 800x600 though I can get 1024/768 in windows, and I have the power light on to my wifi card but it is not attempting to use it. Can anyone help with either of these issues? |
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| 18:32.31 | ivenkys | craigevil: sorry closed the wrong window |
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| 18:33.38 | craigevil | ivenkys: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26.orig.tar.gz , also check your sources.list make sure you have deb-src line |
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| 18:33.52 | ivenkys | craigevil: thanks |
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| 18:36.58 | Serraphyn | okay I fixed wifi issue now with google but I don't knwo what to do about the 800x600 mode, anyone got an idea? |
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| 18:38.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Serraphyn, you need an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, X can make one if you call X -configure - copy/move the file there, edit it and change Horiz and Vert values for your monitor |
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| 18:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Serraphyn, most likely higher modes are dropped by the server because it thinks the monitor can't do them... |
| 18:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | so setting vertical/horizontal timing ranges for your specific monitor is the 1st thing to try |
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| 18:43.48 | BoltPower21 | Does anyone think or (know of) if debian will ever use upstart by default over sysV? |
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| 18:44.24 | abrotman | maybe, maybe not |
| 18:44.40 | abrotman | judd: versions upstart |
| 18:44.40 | judd | abrotman: upstart -- squeeze: 0.3.9-2 sid: 0.6.3-1 |
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| 18:44.59 | dfinn | what's a good system imager/bare metal restore utility? |
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| 18:47.12 | BoltPower21 | :) is judd a bot? |
| 18:47.17 | hochron | will someone help me with my samba.conf? |
| 18:47.35 | abrotman | !ask |
| 18:47.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:47.50 | abrotman | dfinn: you want something like clonezilla ? |
| 18:48.10 | dfinn | I'm not really sure, what's clonezilla? |
| 18:48.35 | BoltPower21 | dfinn: the answer to your question |
| 18:48.37 | dfinn | I think I'd like something that I could trust to take system images that I could then use to do a BMR in case of a catastrophic failure |
| 18:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dd? :) |
| 18:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | or tar |
| 18:49.45 | BoltPower21 | dfinn: google clonezilla, they if you need a trusty software use Acronis True Image. |
| 18:50.05 | Titan8990 | ^ acronis for linux is like $1000 |
| 18:50.15 | BoltPower21 | Titan8990: no |
| 18:50.26 | dfinn | so acronis is something people trust? we've actually already got a license for that and the windows guys are using it |
| 18:50.42 | Titan8990 | BoltPower21, last time i checked only the enterprise version supported linux |
| 18:50.46 | Serraphyn | CutMeOwnThroat: where do they hide the xorg.conf file now in debian 5? |
| 18:51.00 | BoltPower21 | Acronis runns the world in system image software |
| 18:51.13 | dfinn | ok, might as well stick with that then if we already have it |
| 18:51.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dfinn, you might also look at apt-cache show partimage |
| 18:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Serraphyn, there is none - X is supposed to autodetect everything without aid now... |
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| 18:52.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Serraphyn, I told you how to make one and where it should go, though? |
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| 18:52.40 | dec3pti0n | anyone here defrags xfs partitions or files within the partition ? |
| 18:52.51 | Serraphyn | oh sorry missed that I'll do that now |
| 18:53.00 | BoltPower21 | Titan8990: Sorry titan your are right. But trust is a big, dollar is big :) |
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| 18:53.47 | fxiny | dd , tar . partimage , what about dump/restore ? |
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| 18:53.51 | BoltPower21 | Acronis just change their the product family. True Image was cheaper, and this Backup & recovery 10 is more. |
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| 18:54.16 | fxiny | dd is pretty dumb compared to dump |
| 18:54.37 | et | is there a setting in debconf to make it answer "yes, install" to every warning that occurs if a package wants to overwrite a file that is already present in the system? (for preseeding) |
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| 18:55.17 | Bad_Religion | how can I find out if a package has been replaced between etch and lenny and therefore that packages dependencies are no longer needed? |
| 18:56.21 | BoltPower21 | :) Still No. you could get acronis workstation for $90 |
| 18:56.26 | Bad_Religion | maybe I should rtfm.... |
| 18:56.28 | simonrvn | dec3pti0n: defrag? heh |
| 18:56.49 | fxiny | acronis is not open source |
| 18:56.53 | dec3pti0n | simonrvn, yeah u can defrag xfs file-systems |
| 18:57.00 | hochron | my smb.conf is here http://pastebin.com/m78913ee9 on the remote computers it asks me for a user name and pass. (I don't want it to) |
| 18:57.11 | dec3pti0n | simonrvn, i just found that out myself a couple of days ago :) |
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| 18:57.13 | simonrvn | i know. what's the point. |
| 18:57.51 | fxiny | but mondo is |
| 18:58.07 | fxiny | so check mondo if you like that kind of stuff |
| 18:58.07 | simonrvn | on one machine, i had / as xfs. over the course of 6+ years, i never once did that, and at most it got to ~2-3% fragmented |
| 18:59.09 | dec3pti0n | simonrvn, to make a file belong to the same extent |
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| 18:59.30 | fxiny | wt4x ! can't find mondo in lenny |
| 18:59.38 | abrotman | judd: versions mondo |
| 18:59.38 | judd | abrotman: mondo -- etch: 2.20-1.1 sid: 1:2.2.7-2 squeeze: 1:2.2.7-2 |
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| 18:59.43 | dec3pti0n | simonrvn, I guess it depends .. on a partition where I have PG that gets pretty bad on a DAS |
| 18:59.44 | hochron | in the darbo01 definition do I need a guest ok? |
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| 18:59.58 | abrotman | Bad_Religion: you could just try to remove them ? |
| 19:00.19 | simonrvn | dec3pti0n: oh in that case i would; though i wouldn't use xfs for that |
| 19:00.30 | dec3pti0n | simonrvn, did u setup an allocation on fstab ? |
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| 19:01.04 | simonrvn | i don't recall, i wiped it recently and put ext3. i don't think so though. |
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| 19:01.17 | dec3pti0n | simonrvn, well most people use xfs on pgdata when you have alot of sapce ... mine is 1.7T |
| 19:01.23 | simonrvn | /dev/sdc8 on / type ext3 (rw,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1) |
| 19:02.08 | simonrvn | this was a tiny partition, so i didn't bother |
| 19:02.15 | simonrvn | s,was,is, |
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| 19:03.53 | simonrvn | dunno if they've changed it now, but xfs tends to be cpu intensive. you don't want to be using that on a low powered box. |
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| 19:06.02 | iwkse | hi, do you know if it's possible with the date command to force a specific timezone? |
| 19:06.09 | linduxed | ive got a windows laptop that sees the samba domain that ive set up, but the user on the laptop is not allowed to enter the network |
| 19:06.15 | linduxed | why is that? |
| 19:06.44 | iwkse | linduxed: you need to set permissions for the user in samba config |
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| 19:07.15 | linduxed | iwkse: what?? for each user? |
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| 19:07.27 | linduxed | iwkse: didnt have to do that on the old server |
| 19:07.27 | iwkse | linduxed: sure |
| 19:07.41 | linduxed | iwkse: any page on this? |
| 19:07.42 | iwkse | linduxed: probably you had a crappy option to allow everybody in |
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| 19:08.00 | linduxed | iwkse: well maybe, it wasnt i who set it up |
| 19:08.21 | linduxed | iwkse: but as said, is there a page outlining the adding of users |
| 19:08.25 | linduxed | iwkse: ? |
| 19:08.39 | iwkse | linduxed: check here it says simplified, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-set-permissions-to-samba-shares.html |
| 19:10.05 | linduxed | iwkse: checking.... |
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| 19:14.15 | kelt | is there a way to see what is keeping a mount busy? |
| 19:14.17 | humbolt | can I couple several network cards to work as one? |
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| 19:14.47 | kelt | umount: /mnt01: device is busy |
| 19:15.00 | maligor | humbolt, yes, you can, but it has limitations and issues |
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| 19:15.05 | humbolt | just to give an example: 10 x 100mbit cards in a server connected to switch, acting as one 1000mbit card. |
| 19:15.21 | humbolt | maligor: I guess the switch would have to support this. |
| 19:15.42 | maligor | why would you ever use 10x100 tho? :P |
| 19:15.43 | humbolt | or I need another linux host on the opposite side |
| 19:15.56 | humbolt | maligor: that is just an example |
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| 19:16.15 | humbolt | maligor: I'd use 2 or 3 1Gbit cards on a gbit switch |
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| 19:17.04 | maligor | well, I know you can trunk cards but dunno about connecting to a switch |
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| 19:17.32 | maligor | I should imagine the switch would have to support it to make any sense, yes |
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| 19:18.21 | linduxed | iwkse: i added a "read list = users" to one of the shares, but that didnt help (users is a group of mine). the laptop still gets the error of no persmission |
| 19:18.28 | thrashold | FuLLname has an onjoin |
| 19:18.43 | iwkse | linduxed: did you restart samba? |
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| 19:19.15 | linduxed | iwkse: did a /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 19:19.22 | iwkse | should be ok |
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| 19:19.48 | themill | !ops FuLLname is on-join spamming |
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| 19:19.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: FuLLname is on-join spamming |
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| 19:20.53 | linduxed | iwkse: i get that error saying "you may not have permissions...blablabla...the server is not configured for transactions" |
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| 19:22.58 | iwkse | linduxed: check here, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/samba-share-problems-ipc-343263/ (by the way, i'm just googling :) |
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| 19:29.39 | rudi_s | kelt: lsof could help you. |
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| 19:30.06 | hochron | you tell me not to ask and nobody helps me with my problem... I added guest ok = yes to my darbo01 definition and it still requires a login. |
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| 19:30.47 | ajavid | neoark, what is the diff between gtk and gtk+ and gtk2 ? |
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| 19:31.50 | Titan8990 | ajavid, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtk |
| 19:32.05 | Titan8990 | ajavid, gtk = gtk+ gtk2 = version 2 of gtk+ |
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| 19:33.35 | hochron | Im just going to use a smb.conf from suse (which I think I copied from slackware) and be done with it |
| 19:34.14 | justin | hochron: you need to change the server security type to make guest logins work |
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| 19:36.51 | hochron | ok justin, is that in authentication in my smb.conf? I see a commented out security = user |
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| 19:37.32 | justin | hochron: yeah, you need security = share for guest logins to work |
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| 19:37.43 | syslq78__ | What is proper imaging on *nix, dd makes images way to huge even if they are gziped |
| 19:37.54 | hochron | ok thanks justin I am trying it now |
| 19:37.54 | justin | hochron: AFAIK, security = share makes samba work like win98ish |
| 19:38.12 | justin | syslq78__: dump, tar |
| 19:38.20 | syslq78__ | justin: thanks man |
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| 19:39.38 | syslq78__ | justin: it works on ext3? |
| 19:39.42 | justin | syslq78__: yes |
| 19:39.43 | hochron | that did it!! thanks a million justin |
| 19:39.57 | Serraphyn | holy cow how do I exit emacs commandline program |
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| 19:40.12 | syslq78__ | Serraphyn: reboot |
| 19:40.16 | syslq78__ | Serraphyn: :) |
| 19:40.36 | syslq78__ | Serraphyn: you can open another tty and kill emacs process |
| 19:41.39 | hark | Serraphyn: C-x C-c |
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| 19:44.40 | stone | whats the command to do an upgrade using the testing repository? apt-get upgrade testing??? |
| 19:45.00 | marcompile | stone: no. you have to configure the repository on /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:45.12 | stew | stone: are you currnetly running stable or testing? |
| 19:45.13 | asg | stone: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 19:45.19 | cantido | ponders if he should really be running testing :/ |
| 19:45.38 | stone | stable... |
| 19:46.16 | stone | oh right..that file..i always forget that file...hmm....nm...i will figure it out |
| 19:46.25 | stone | thanks asg |
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| 19:51.56 | twiggz | lol |
| 19:52.00 | linduxed | what is the log that senses that a windows box tried to access the samba shares? |
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| 19:53.12 | unop | linduxed, /var/log/samba/smbd.log perhaps |
| 19:53.14 | asg | linduxed: /var/log/samba/* and possibly /var/log/syslog, /var/log/daemon, and /var/log/auth.log |
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| 19:54.52 | et | using the netinstall cd, is it okay to remove the cd after the installer has started or will it break? |
| 19:55.13 | cantido | et: I don't think you will be able to remove it, the drive should be locked |
| 19:55.24 | cantido | et: if you can remove it, it isn't mounted |
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| 19:59.13 | daemon | hey guys im trying to mount an nfs share |
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| 19:59.21 | daemon | root works fine, but hwne I swap to my user I get permission denied |
| 19:59.40 | daemon | this is the only box on the network getting this problem, where should I look |
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| 19:59.55 | ccfontes | hi |
| 20:00.04 | cantido | daemon: check the permissions |
| 20:00.20 | cantido | daemon: if root can access it, it's mounted fine.. |
| 20:00.30 | daemon | cantido, 'paul' can access it on my freebsd client to |
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| 20:00.50 | daemon | cantido, also my other boxen can access it, the only one failing is 'anna' on my linux box |
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| 20:00.57 | cantido | daemon: paul has the same UID on the bsd machine? |
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| 20:01.06 | daemon | cantido, yes, as does anna uid 1002 |
| 20:01.26 | daemon | gid is 1002 on both boxs too |
| 20:01.26 | ccfontes | ghc6 package is in lenny, section main. I tried many lenny repos, and the package doesnt exist there. any ideas? |
| 20:01.30 | cantido | daemon: not using kerberos? |
| 20:01.34 | daemon | nope flat nfs |
| 20:01.52 | daemon | I think its some sort of default option every other box on my lan is bsd based |
| 20:02.14 | daemon | my girlfriends debian machine is the only linux one |
| 20:02.37 | cantido | daemon: where exactly do you get permission denied? entering the mount or some sub dir? |
| 20:03.02 | daemon | cantido, the mount, 'router.yuno:/mnt/da0 on /mnt/remote type nfs (rw,addr=10.0.0.1)' |
| 20:03.18 | daemon | cd /mnt/remote gives me permission denied |
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| 20:03.33 | cantido | daemon: ok, so what are the perms on /mnt/remote? |
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| 20:04.22 | ccfontes | ok, it was already installed, sorry hehe |
| 20:04.49 | daemon | hmm ok |
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| 20:04.55 | daemon | I tried ls -kla and now its freezing up |
| 20:05.01 | daemon | drwxrwxr-- 54 paul root 12288 2009-08-06 19:51 remote |
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| 20:05.47 | cantido | so others don't have permission to enter that |
| 20:06.25 | daemon | cantido, /mnt/da0 is a big disk on the router, I haev set it 774 on the router its self, all lan users should be able to access it |
| 20:06.31 | daemon | if you mean /mnt/remote |
| 20:06.36 | daemon | it seems that no other users can access it |
| 20:06.43 | daemon | im just wondering why it says its group root not group wheel |
| 20:06.46 | cantido | permissions on the mountpoint are look |
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| 20:07.02 | cantido | daemon: debian doesn't have wheel by default AFAIK |
| 20:07.07 | daemon | ah |
| 20:07.07 | cantido | that's a bsd thing |
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| 20:07.47 | cantido | maybe chmod o+x /mnt/remote will make it work :) |
| 20:08.12 | daemon | hmm all subdirectories still fail |
| 20:08.14 | daemon | -r? |
| 20:08.56 | cantido | permissions inside the nfs mount should be correct I think |
| 20:09.01 | negge | Has anyone else noticed that a computer gets considerable slower once you install sound support on it (alsa-base, linux-sound-base etc.)? |
| 20:09.02 | cantido | you can check that though |
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| 20:09.40 | daemon | cantido, im using this mount heavily from a few other boxs, the permissions on the share its self are fine I believe |
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| 20:09.58 | cantido | daemon: as long as your uid/gid's line up |
| 20:10.00 | Serraphyn | how come when I do mount -f smbfs //server/share /mnt/dir it justgives met he help for mount? |
| 20:10.24 | Serraphyn | but in KDE I can see the drive in dolphin |
| 20:10.25 | daemon | cantido, the gid is not aligning correctly I think |
| 20:10.31 | cantido | Serraphyn: change -f to -t |
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| 20:10.47 | cantido | daemon: ldap ftw ;) |
| 20:10.49 | Serraphyn | ah crap lol |
| 20:10.49 | negge | Serraphyn: also make sure you have the "smbfs" package install |
| 20:11.02 | negge | and I'd use cifs instead of smbfs as filesystem |
| 20:11.14 | daemon | sshfs is a nice alternative |
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| 20:11.27 | Serraphyn | whats cifs? |
| 20:11.37 | negge | Serraphyn: it's like the "new" version of SMB |
| 20:12.08 | negge | works the same way except it's somehow the preffered filesystem to use when mounting Samba shares. At least that's what I've heard. |
| 20:12.17 | cantido | Isn't smb some acient novel thing.. and cifs is the ms version.. something like |
| 20:12.22 | cantido | that |
| 20:12.40 | Serraphyn | cool, now to figure out howt to add that to fstab |
| 20:13.28 | negge | Serraphyn: it's easy |
| 20:13.49 | negge | my setup looks something like this: "//SERVER/Incoming /media/Incoming cifs defaults,iocharset=utf8 0" |
| 20:14.08 | negge | actually there's an additional "0" at the end of that line |
| 20:14.19 | negge | like "//SERVER/Incoming /media/Incoming cifs defaults,iocharset=utf8 0 0" |
| 20:14.36 | daemon | cantido, in theory if I make the share owned on the bsd server by a group called 'nfsers' and set the directory 770 then create that group on the linux machine and the other bsd machines, and add users into a local 'nfsers' group of the same gid |
| 20:14.39 | daemon | that should work? |
| 20:15.13 | Serraphyn | yup that worked thanks |
| 20:16.00 | cantido | daemon: there is an option to smush up the perms on then export if i'm remembering correctly |
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| 20:17.20 | Serraphyn | Wow thanks a bunch guys you are super great |
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| 20:18.05 | cantido | daemon: are you sharing $HOME dirs or just making a fileshare? |
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| 20:18.15 | aixenv | hey guys, how do i setup a debian server to work on switchport trunk mode? how do i configure a server to VLAN-tag all eth0 traffic? |
| 20:18.40 | daemon | cantido, just a fileshare |
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| 20:19.27 | cantido | aixenv: I think the package called vlan is used to do that |
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| 20:20.08 | BoltPower21 | does debian have a tool like chkconfig? |
| 20:20.09 | cantido | daemon: all_squash - Map all uids and gids to the anonymous user .. maybe that's what you need? |
| 20:20.14 | aixenv | and maybe i need to add the 8021q mod |
| 20:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends on what chkconfig is supposed to do |
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| 20:21.02 | BoltPower21 | manage runlevel init scripts |
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| 20:21.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | update-rc.d or rcconf can do that |
| 20:21.41 | daemon | cantido, its ok I just created the 'nfsers' group and chown -Rv root:nfsers /mnt/da0; chmod -r 770 /mnt/da0; (on the router), then created nfsers on all the clients added the relevent users into it and we have a working share :) |
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| 20:22.36 | cantido | daemon: coolies :) |
| 20:22.37 | daemon | nfsers == gid 2000 |
| 20:22.39 | daemon | of course ^_^ |
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| 20:23.11 | aixenv | hrm i have the 8021q mod enabled and vlan is already installed |
| 20:23.34 | cantido | aixenv: have you read the stuff in /usr/share/doc that comes with vlan? probably has examples |
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| 20:24.37 | Mitsui_Sam | Hi all!! Could anybody gimme a little help?? after uncompress a .deb file with a ar -x file.deb how can I compress it again? |
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| 20:24.47 | Evet | Which program do you suggest to set up VPSs? |
| 20:25.09 | cantido | likes vserver |
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| 20:26.14 | cantido | Mitsui_Sam: If you've extracted it, changed stuff and then recompress it all the sums and stuff are going to be wonky |
| 20:26.22 | cantido | Mitsui_Sam: rebuild the package properly |
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| 20:26.38 | Mitsui_Sam | cantido, I know, but I really need to do this |
| 20:26.40 | Evet | cantido, do you suggest vserver? |
| 20:26.52 | Mitsui_Sam | cantido, I only need the sintax :) |
| 20:27.15 | cantido | Evet: you have to decide what you want.. I like vserver, that's all. I like containers |
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| 20:27.27 | stone | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20 |
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| 20:27.36 | Evet | cantido, you selling VPSs ? |
| 20:27.47 | cantido | Mitsui_Sam: man ar .. search for create |
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| 20:28.27 | cantido | Mitsui_Sam: no, sometimes clients sites do need containing though, and in those cases vserver gets used |
| 20:28.33 | Mitsui_Sam | create is c, but only c not worked |
| 20:29.07 | edju | I created a file contining keycodes and ran xmodmap on it. Nothing happened - no error messages, but the keys don't work. Am I missing a step? |
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| 20:29.43 | Mitsui_Sam | stone, I don't need to rebuild a package, I only need to erase a single symlink inside a package |
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| 20:30.15 | KidneyBeanstalk | hey, can you install debian with just the first iso? |
| 20:30.18 | KidneyBeanstalk | or do you need all five? |
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| 20:30.26 | cantido | KidneyBeanstalk: you only need the first |
| 20:30.36 | KidneyBeanstalk | cool |
| 20:30.44 | stone | KidneyBeanstalk, you only need the first, but I highly suggest you use the DVD/all 5 |
| 20:30.45 | KidneyBeanstalk | where can i get a list of the contents on all the dvds? |
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| 20:31.10 | KidneyBeanstalk | im going to dl all five, but im on a 384kbps connection so it might take about two weeks until i have all five |
| 20:31.15 | themill | KidneyBeanstalk: you only need the first CD iso, not even the DVD. |
| 20:31.15 | KidneyBeanstalk | so i will download the first one and install it |
| 20:31.17 | cantido | Don't download all the iso's if you don't need them.. waste of other peoples bandwidth |
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| 20:31.33 | macrobat | there is even netinstall |
| 20:31.39 | KidneyBeanstalk | im pretty sure that there will be lots on there that i will need |
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| 20:31.40 | themill | KidneyBeanstalk: if you have a wired connection, then the netinstall is an even better choice |
| 20:31.44 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 20:31.44 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 20:32.00 | KidneyBeanstalk | the netinstall is not good enough for me as i want to install it on numerous computers |
| 20:32.02 | raz0 | I am trying to get the netinst going from a USB pen. I used zcat boot.img.gz /dev/sdb to get it on there, but it won't boot on my laptop (I get 'boot error' on my thinkpad). It works on my (newer) stationary PC. I tried using install-mbr to install a MBR on the USB pen. Then I get |
| 20:32.16 | BoltPower21 | i see that rcconf manages services in the currect runlevel, I'm looking for a tool to manage all runlevels at once, like chkconfig on other distros? |
| 20:32.17 | cantido | KidneyBeanstalk: download just the first cd then |
| 20:32.22 | raz0 | 'MBR 1234FA:' instead but I can't get from there. |
| 20:32.26 | aixenv | woot got it |
| 20:32.31 | raz0 | No matter what I press. |
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| 20:32.56 | KidneyBeanstalk | cantido well the first dvd is about 90% downloaded so its too late for that now |
| 20:32.57 | raz0 | Even tried using lilo to to install a MBR, but that gives me 'invalid PT' at boot. |
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| 20:33.27 | cantido | BoltPower21: debian doesn't really make all that much use of runlevels |
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| 20:33.49 | cantido | BoltPower21: http://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel - Default Debian installation does not make any difference between runlevels 2-5 |
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| 20:34.17 | KidneyBeanstalk | the thing is that i usually end up getting soooo much stuff that when i use the netinstall for about two weeks im enterring commands, whereas i would prefer to jus thave it all off hand |
| 20:34.21 | BoltPower21 | cantido: haha good point i have seen that. |
| 20:34.24 | biogen | hey! Anyone else having problems with the cpu-frequencies? If I have mine on either on-demand on performance, my laptop goes to 80C and then shuts down. |
| 20:35.31 | cantido | KidneyBeanstalk: you'll enter the same commands if you install packages from dvd as you would installing them from the internet |
| 20:35.38 | Mitsui_Sam | cantido, pls man, gimme this little help |
| 20:35.40 | KidneyBeanstalk | linux is so mature now, its probably better than windows xp |
| 20:35.48 | KidneyBeanstalk | for the desktop |
| 20:35.57 | cantido | KidneyBeanstalk: unless you intend to install all the packages off the dvd in one bat, which isn't actually possible |
| 20:35.57 | themill | KidneyBeanstalk: the installer is identical between the netinstall and the cd or dvd images. The only difference is when you download stuff -- before or during installation |
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| 20:36.30 | KidneyBeanstalk | yes i know that |
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| 20:38.43 | KidneyBeanstalk | i have my reasons for wanting to dl this |
| 20:38.49 | cantido | Mitsui_Sam: ar rc sausages.ar myfile |
| 20:38.51 | KidneyBeanstalk | i will be going to prepaid internet soon |
| 20:39.01 | KidneyBeanstalk | and if i have all the dvds, i'm pretty sure that i will have all the apps i need |
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| 20:39.32 | cantido | isn't all internet pre-paid.. or do you mean pay by meg? |
| 20:39.41 | abrotman | KidneyBeanstalk: has anyone mentioned an apt-proxy setup ? |
| 20:39.49 | Mitsui_Sam | cantido, tks man, I'll try it now |
| 20:39.56 | KidneyBeanstalk | nopes |
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| 20:40.09 | KidneyBeanstalk | but when i was enquiring about that sort of thing two weeks ago nobody could help me |
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| 20:40.23 | KidneyBeanstalk | lets face it guy, downloading all the dvds is the ultimate way of savign yourself stress |
| 20:40.29 | KidneyBeanstalk | besides; i'll seed ;) |
| 20:40.49 | BoltPower21 | cantido: Thanks I found what i was looking for anyways. sysv-rc-conf is the tool to use. Thanks again. |
| 20:40.58 | Evet | Which program do you suggest to set up VPSs? |
| 20:41.03 | abrotman | !apt-proxy |
| 20:41.04 | dpkg | i guess apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237, or see also <apt-cacher>, or look at the approx package, or ask me about <apt-cacher-ng> |
| 20:41.26 | abrotman | KidneyBeanstalk: basically .. your apt-proxy (or whichever you use) would only download it once for a shared network |
| 20:41.29 | Mitsui_Sam | dpkg says that isn't a debian package :( this is my problem, with c, q, r nothing worked |
| 20:41.29 | dpkg | Mitsui_Sam: that's too long |
| 20:41.34 | KidneyBeanstalk | i had problems with debian net-install, it couldnt conenct to my router. |
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| 20:42.14 | cantido | Mitsui_Sam: you need to ar the two archives........... or just download the package source and rebuild it correctly |
| 20:42.24 | themill | KidneyBeanstalk: remember how you just said that you knew it was the same installer? |
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| 20:42.52 | Mitsui_Sam | cantido, I already have a deb file (I build myself) |
| 20:43.00 | Myx0x3 | how do i make Gnome not to start at boot? |
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| 20:43.11 | Mitsui_Sam | but I need to remove a symlink inside this .deb before install it |
| 20:43.17 | cantido | Myx0x3: install a display manager, GDM is probably a good choice |
| 20:43.21 | abrotman | !tell Myx0x3 about nodm |
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| 20:43.25 | Mitsui_Sam | I used dpkg-deb I try the package now |
| 20:43.36 | abrotman | cantido: i think he's saying the DM does start at boot |
| 20:43.39 | Myx0x3 | cantido: i want it to enter textmode |
| 20:43.52 | cantido | ah, not start |
| 20:43.53 | sbela | hi |
| 20:43.56 | cantido | misread, sorry |
| 20:44.01 | Myx0x3 | hehe :) |
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| 20:44.31 | Myx0x3 | i know there are an file that i have to config, right? |
| 20:44.48 | cantido | this is what waking up at 1am because someone f'ed there dns does to you :/ |
| 20:45.13 | Mitsui_Sam | cantido, with dpkg-deb (first -x do extract and -b do recompress) the packaged work, thanks a lot man |
| 20:46.06 | cantido | Mitsui_Sam: yeah, that sounds more sensible, you're package will get overwritten if a new version goes into debian.. |
| 20:46.12 | cantido | Mitsui_Sam: s/you're/your |
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| 20:46.40 | cantido | oh and s/there/their/ -- sigh |
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| 20:46.51 | Serraphyn | god this laptop is gonna drive me insane I swear |
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| 20:53.13 | neko__ | peers aroudn to teh homies |
| 20:53.36 | neko__ | anyone mind explaining the benifits of using 'sudo -i' vs 'sudo su -' ? |
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| 20:54.14 | Myx0x3 | Ubuntu is a "rip-off" of debian right? |
| 20:54.37 | macrobat | Myx0x3: ask in #ubuntu :) |
| 20:54.38 | lucas_ | who cares |
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| 20:55.13 | Myx0x3 | macrobat: very unessensery answer :O |
| 20:55.16 | Titan8990 | in open source, "rip-offs" are known as "forks" |
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| 20:58.21 | Myx0x3 | i meant more like build from :P |
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| 20:58.38 | Myx0x3 | baaah! nevermind :) |
| 20:58.52 | Titan8990 | Myx0x3, they take debian testing code, modify it and release it as stable |
| 20:58.57 | Titan8990 | if that answers your question.... |
| 20:59.30 | ajavid | 03:54 < Titan8990> in open source, "rip-offs" are known as "forks" <- pretty assholish statement |
| 20:59.33 | cantido | Titan8990: some ubuntu code does end up back in debian though, so it's not all bad |
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| 21:00.21 | lucas_ | forks usually occur over drama |
| 21:00.29 | macrobat | i tried compiling the nvidia module for this kernel, while i was running the earlier kernel, now i cant startx with nvidia. how can i remove the nvidia stuff and start fresh? |
| 21:00.46 | meetmeonaholiday | lucas_ not in the case of debian |
| 21:00.47 | lucas_ | rarely they'll occur because some zealot doesn't think something is 'free' enough |
| 21:00.52 | Titan8990 | ajavid, i guess... if you consider one app being a rip-off of another a bad thing |
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| 21:00.56 | meetmeonaholiday | debian is like the father. the rest are the children |
| 21:00.58 | lucas_ | e.g., Iceweasel |
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| 21:01.28 | cantido | lucas_: Iceweasel it's much of a fork is it ;) it's hardly Xorg vs XFree86 |
| 21:01.41 | cantido | lucas_: s/it's/isn't/ |
| 21:01.45 | ajavid | Titan8990, its not a matter of my consideration, its a matter of the general connotation of the term 'rip-off' |
| 21:01.46 | cmihai | IceCat! |
| 21:01.57 | lucas_ | every other damn week on Slashdot there's some idiot whining about how those damned evil corporations aren't even crediting them for their hard work |
| 21:02.02 | abrotman | could we drop the discussion? |
| 21:02.09 | eqisow | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=465901 <-- I'm a bit lost on how to enable this feature; anybody help me out? |
| 21:02.11 | Titan8990 | ajavid, the term to me simply means one thing is based off another |
| 21:02.11 | lucas_ | or about how Evil Person X is selling Innocent Victim Y's code |
| 21:02.16 | meetmeonaholiday | seconded |
| 21:02.19 | Titan8990 | ajavid, i don't see anything negative about it |
| 21:02.24 | Titan8990 | ajavid, anyways, its time for me to go |
| 21:02.48 | lucas_ | he'll be back in an hour expecting a gigantic 'debate' over nothing |
| 21:02.54 | lucas_ | and 90% of the time he'd be right |
| 21:03.30 | Titan8990 | i don't expect debates to occur on the help and support channel |
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| 21:04.07 | ajavid | 'rip-off' has a negative connotation, regardless of what you say. Do not call forks rip-offs. You can if you want, but you'd be wrong. |
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| 21:04.20 | abrotman | he's gone .. end of conversation |
| 21:04.32 | meetmeonaholiday | hooray. |
| 21:04.53 | cantido | he didn't even start it, hah |
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| 21:05.51 | ajavid | eqisow, you have to be more specific |
| 21:05.56 | amphi | a sporkist? |
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| 21:06.02 | ajavid | amphi, do the quote |
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| 21:06.12 | eqisow | ajavid: enabling remote unlocking of an encrypted root partition |
| 21:06.25 | ajavid | *sigh* |
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| 21:06.29 | ajavid | !tell eqisow -about ask |
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| 21:07.04 | eqisow | umm, I did just ask? |
| 21:07.37 | eqisow | I've looked for documentation, but can't find any |
| 21:08.41 | BoltPower21 | Is there a place I can go to see if a package is available in a different version of debian, say im using etch, and want to know if a package is in lenny? |
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| 21:08.52 | ajavid | BoltPower21, packages.debian.org |
| 21:08.59 | BoltPower21 | ajavid: thanks, |
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| 21:09.28 | pappanz | hello. is it safe to update insserv in unstable even if it has these 2 critical bugs? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=insserv;dist=unstable#_0_0_4 |
| 21:10.13 | craigevil | pappanz: depends on what you mean by "safe", i run sid with insserv no problems here with doing apt-get dist-upgrade daily |
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| 21:10.26 | _lilibox_ | hi |
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| 21:11.17 | _lilibox_ | how to start some daemon as no root during os boots |
| 21:11.58 | pappanz | craigevil, it seems those bugs affect the normal functioning of the linux box only in certain specific cases (packages installed/removed etc)... |
| 21:12.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start-stop-daemon |
| 21:12.05 | dpkg | start-stop-daemon - don't leave /etc/init.d without it. man start-stop-daemon . It's commonly used to start a process from an <init script>, in Debian. To pass arguments to the daemon that start-stop-daemon runs, put "-- " before your extra arguments (at the end of the command line). |
| 21:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | -u |
| 21:12.35 | craigevil | pappanz: could be, im one of those that installs and removes apps all the time, havent had any issues because of it |
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| 21:13.07 | pappanz | craigevil, fine to hear that then! I'll try updating... |
| 21:13.28 | _lilibox_ | CutMeOwnThroat> thank you |
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| 21:16.21 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 21:17.29 | syntax_enable | on the aptitude curses ui, does it report your speed in kibi's or kilo's. just wondering? |
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| 21:18.53 | meetmeonaholiday | presumably it would be kibi syntax_enable. I doubt they'd do kilo |
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| 21:19.31 | syntax_enable | alright, thanks meetmeonaholiday |
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| 21:20.53 | eqisow | can anybody tell me how or point me towards documentation on unlocking an encrypted root via ssh in lenny? |
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| 21:21.34 | cantido | eqisow: logging in and unlocking it might be difficult if you don't have root mounted heh |
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| 21:22.11 | eqisow | cantido: this bug report and patch suggest that you can do it with dropbear http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=465901 |
| 21:22.17 | BoltPower21 | pappanz: Why would i use insserv? im on etch, and its not installed by default. |
| 21:22.27 | cantido | eqisow: have dropbear in the initramfs |
| 21:22.56 | BoltPower21 | I have been search and it seems to be a package that you would want installed? |
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| 21:26.41 | eqisow | cantido: from what I understand reading the patch there supposed to be a script included with dropbear now, but I can't locate it or figure out how to enable it |
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| 21:33.13 | sbela | bye |
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| 21:33.29 | wiretapped | how do I make a deb build for "any" arch instead of the one i'm building on? |
| 21:33.31 | wiretapped | is building a simple deb for internal use |
| 21:33.44 | wiretapped | It says "Architecture: any" in the control file |
| 21:34.00 | wiretapped | but when i build it it is amd64 |
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| 21:40.45 | visof | what should i install to can use syscalls.h of C |
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| 21:43.59 | xyan | visof: kernel headers |
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| 21:47.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell visof -about apt-file |
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| 21:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | wiretapped, do you have a machine that has an architecture "any"? :) |
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| 21:51.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'd need to crosscompile if you're compiling for a different architecture than you're running |
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| 21:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at apt-cache show scratchbox2 |
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| 21:53.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I found scratchbox kind of difficult to use for getting maemo/arm .debs, though |
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| 21:54.48 | cantido | what he really needs to do is build for all no any ;) |
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| 21:58.05 | SQlvpapir | whats the fstab equivalent of mount -o remount,commit=600 / ? |
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| 21:59.22 | jorgp | is testing stable enough to use or switch stable to? |
| 21:59.43 | KidneyBeanstalk | where are the social chatrooms for ppl like us? |
| 21:59.52 | usb_user | jorgp: what for? as just a dekstop? |
| 21:59.59 | jorgp | usb_user: yes |
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| 22:00.37 | jorgp | usb_user: I tried the 8-03 snapshots and they would not boot from my laptop |
| 22:00.51 | Titan8990 | KidneyBeanstalk, if people like us is linux users.... #debian-chat, #gentoo-chat, #netsploit, etc |
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| 22:01.18 | KidneyBeanstalk | fanks :) |
| 22:01.33 | visof | low.c:1:22: error: syscalls.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:01.38 | usb_user | jorgp: you could install lenny then change your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:01.47 | visof | i installed kernel headers |
| 22:01.47 | KidneyBeanstalk | but its so empty :( |
| 22:02.00 | usb_user | jorgp: then its just a matter of "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 22:02.00 | KidneyBeanstalk | hey guyz r there sites for amature movies? |
| 22:02.21 | wiretapped | answering my own earlier question, I needed arch to be "all", not "any"; the latter makes arch-specific debs |
| 22:02.39 | azeem_ | KidneyBeanstalk: this is a debian support channel; if you do not have a support question, please either keep quiet or leave |
| 22:02.42 | cantido | 22:54 :P |
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| 22:02.45 | macrobat | KidneyBeanstalk: http://jaycut.se/ :) |
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| 22:02.56 | meetmeonaholiday | don't encourage him |
| 22:03.05 | macrobat | there is also the #debian-offtopic channel |
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| 22:03.21 | azeem_ | macrobat: do you want to get banned for link-spamming? |
| 22:04.01 | macrobat | i think not |
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| 22:04.16 | jorgp | usb_user: I know that i can upgrade to it, I was just wondering how safe testing is |
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| 22:04.42 | cantido | jorgp: could be great one day, totally fucked the next |
| 22:04.52 | cantido | jorgp: also depends on what packages you use |
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| 22:05.48 | jorgp | I know, so is unstable, but I use it at work, I thought that something might be terribable wrong with it now because the 8-03 snapshot would not even boot on my laptop |
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| 22:06.17 | valdyn | jorgp: the installer is typically broken |
| 22:06.41 | Pnux | hey guys, im having an issue with grub2.. i updated from legacy a few mins ago, everything looked ok, but now i rebooted, and grub said something like 'error 15' |
| 22:06.58 | jorgp | well, i think I might upgrade to it and see what happens, I can always reinstall |
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| 22:07.19 | slidesinger | Has anyone any idea where I might find a _detailed_ explanation of what happens at login? What is the sequence of events, what the various configuration files are used for, etc.? |
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| 22:07.42 | valdyn | slidesinger: man bash |
| 22:07.59 | valdyn | slidesinger: man login |
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| 22:10.35 | Acido | hey I had an ubuntu box setup in a cooporate enviroment behind a squid proxy. now i have taken it home and i can't disable the proxy configuration it still tries to connect o via the proxy when doing apt-get even though i've disable all references to the proxy settings. |
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| 22:11.32 | Acido | I have already edited the etc/bash.bashrc file |
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| 22:12.57 | jorgp | is there a migration plan for python 2.6 in testing? |
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| 22:16.21 | edbian | I am using opera 10(beta) which has html5 support (for the video tag) http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/the-first-working-draft-of-html-5-is-her/ Why does the example on this page not work? http://webkit.org/blog/140/html5-media-support/ |
| 22:16.44 | valdyn | edbian: youre asking the wrong channel |
| 22:16.56 | edbian | What channel would you suggest? |
| 22:17.14 | valdyn | edbian: wherever opera does support |
| 22:18.24 | themill | jorgp: yes |
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| 22:20.19 | jorgp | themill: do you have a link? |
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| 22:24.31 | themill | jorgp: hrmmm can't find it right now. You'd have to search the debian-python archives. But python2.6 is in experimental and should hit sid then squeeze WIR. |
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| 22:26.36 | Redeuxx | hi, i have rake installed using apt. it is also installed via gems. how do I delete the package with apt without removing any other packages that I need? |
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| 22:28.22 | hark | like rails? |
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| 22:29.49 | KidneyBeanstalk | ubuntu users r tards :s |
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| 22:30.00 | themill | KidneyBeanstalk: wrong channel |
| 22:30.00 | KidneyBeanstalk | how can we alowed people to use this dist to make crap like that? |
| 22:30.10 | KidneyBeanstalk | lol i guess. |
| 22:30.14 | abrotman | KidneyBeanstalk: knock it off |
| 22:30.21 | KidneyBeanstalk | soz |
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| 22:30.29 | paxcoder | abrotman: "knock it off"? |
| 22:30.31 | KidneyBeanstalk | just a little edgy atm, i quit smoking today |
| 22:30.47 | pnux | hey, i just upgraded from grub to grub2 and i get an error when grub2 loads, it says "error 15" before the menu. It used to work fine when i got the grub2 testing after installing grub-pc.. does anyody know what could be wrong? |
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| 22:30.55 | Redeuxx | yes, when I try to do a rake db:migrate, and I get an error ... undefined method `reenable' for <Rake::Task db:schema:dump => [environment]>:Rake::Task ... searching on the net tells me to remove the apt package, but apt wants me to also remove a ton of other packages that i want |
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| 22:30.58 | themill | dpkg: tell KidneyBeanstalk about moronspeak |
| 22:31.10 | Titan8990 | pnux, menu.lst could be wrong |
| 22:31.32 | pnux | Titan8990: for what i read, there is no menu.lst on grub2 |
| 22:31.37 | pnux | ill check |
| 22:31.55 | cantido | pnux: grub2 has grub.cfg ... error 15 is cant find second stage loader I think |
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| 22:32.33 | Titan8990 | i thought error 15 was general for unable to find a file |
| 22:32.35 | pnux | cantido: second stage as in /boot/grub/stage2? |
| 22:32.37 | Titan8990 | such as the kernel.... |
| 22:32.57 | KidneyBeanstalk | paxcoder, its considerred lame to knock other 'distributions' |
| 22:33.15 | cantido | Titan8990: hmmm he said its coming before the menu |
| 22:33.23 | cantido | KidneyBeanstalk: unless it's ubuntu |
| 22:33.28 | KidneyBeanstalk | linux doesnt really have a competitive spirit :| |
| 22:33.42 | KidneyBeanstalk | cantido i tried that then abrotman told me to 'knock it off' |
| 22:33.57 | cantido | jokes at not allowed? |
| 22:34.02 | abrotman | could we stop this already? |
| 22:34.02 | sbyrne | Are grub2, grub-pc, and grub 1.96 the same? |
| 22:34.03 | cantido | s/at/are |
| 22:34.17 | KidneyBeanstalk | lol |
| 22:34.20 | Titan8990 | we don't like to get very far OT |
| 22:34.28 | KidneyBeanstalk | i wish i had some nice prescription drugs. |
| 22:34.30 | cantido | sbyrne: in testing I think all grub packages now point to grub2 |
| 22:34.44 | cantido | sbyrne: except grub-legacy which is the old one |
| 22:34.46 | abrotman | KidneyBeanstalk: i think you want #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:34.56 | pnux | cantido: wheres the usual place for the stages to be? |
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| 22:35.25 | cantido | pnux: /boot/grub .. I would check the docs/google that error number first thoug |
| 22:35.46 | pnux | cantido: it said that error 15 is couldnt find file.. didnt say which |
| 22:36.06 | sbyrne | I did the grub legacy to grub 2 upgrade in testing, but when I boot it says Grub 1.96. Is that grub 2? |
| 22:36.21 | cantido | pnux: mmm do you have a grub.cfg? did you run update-grub? |
| 22:36.47 | pnux | cantido: yes, to both questions |
| 22:36.54 | cantido | sbyrne: did you install grub2.. otherwise you'll have the packages install but not actually "installed" |
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| 22:37.48 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:37.55 | sbyrne | cantido: Just to make sure, I purged all packages with grub in the name, then installed grub-pc and ran grub-install |
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| 22:38.41 | cantido | mm I suppose a good way to check is if your /boot/grub has loads of modules in it |
| 22:38.48 | pnux | sbyrne: you have to run upgrade-from-grub-legacy if you have both grub and grub2, as far as i know |
| 22:39.09 | sbyrne | pnux: I did run that. The space invaders game works from grub, if that means anything. |
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| 22:40.25 | superlinux | Is there any device like e.g. a bridge that is small, two ends/ports, and with traffic shaping? |
| 22:40.27 | pnux | cantido: not sure if this helps, but check this http://pastebin.com/d51bcdc0c |
| 22:41.05 | sbyrne | I did a dist-upgrade on my box at work and ran update-from-grub-legacy, and now I have a pretty picture at the grub menu and it works fast. But on my laptop (which uses a sata-pata bridge and LVM), it says Grub 1.96, then gives an error about a missing disk, sits there for 10 seconds, and loads and old looking grub menu. |
| 22:41.09 | cantido | superlinux: some sort of router or managed switch |
| 22:41.31 | superlinux | not really a switch, much smaller |
| 22:41.41 | KidneyBeanstalk | Where can i get a list of everything thats on dvd1 ? |
| 22:41.53 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 22:41.53 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 22:41.55 | cantido | superlinux: something like a WRT54 with openwrt maybe |
| 22:42.05 | cantido | superlinux: depends how much traffic you need to shape |
| 22:42.48 | cantido | pnux: I'll just check what my grub2 looks like a moment |
| 22:42.58 | pnux | cantido: alrite, thanks |
| 22:43.44 | cantido | pnux: anyhow I have stage1 and stage2 in /boot/grub/ |
| 22:44.09 | cantido | it's a freah grub2-pc install I think |
| 22:44.12 | superlinux | what i am also thinking of is a slimmed down computer and is as long as 30 cm (a ruler like) and has a display like a calculator and on each side an Ethernet port |
| 22:44.20 | themill | wonders if abrotman will need to give !cd contents to KidneyBeanstalk every two hours for the entire night |
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| 22:44.38 | pickcoder | superlinux: ubiquity makes some wireless+wired stuff |
| 22:44.48 | pnux | cantido: thats weird, i should have them.. i didnt delete them manually, and it shouldnt be done automatically either |
| 22:45.06 | superlinux | i think it's a nice device to have |
| 22:45.14 | superlinux | pickcoder, ok |
| 22:45.18 | superlinux | i'll see |
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| 22:45.49 | superlinux | but i hope you understood my point. i think i must draw it to you. |
| 22:45.55 | cantido | superlinux: you can get a small atom based machine, or maybe an arm one.. |
| 22:46.24 | superlinux | it looks much like a mobile |
| 22:47.03 | paxcoder | KidneyBeanstalk: Ubuntu is not one ;-) |
| 22:47.39 | paxcoder | oh. look, pickcoder. I and he/she were togeather here before just once. |
| 22:47.53 | superlinux | i think i have to draw it on a picture. |
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| 22:51.48 | MyDamnation | hi |
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| 22:52.13 | MyDamnation | i recently changed my sources.list to use the SID repos |
| 22:52.25 | MyDamnation | but when doing apt-geu upgrade |
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| 22:52.40 | MyDamnation | i dont get the 2.6.30 kernel by defaut |
| 22:52.42 | MyDamnation | why ? |
| 22:52.51 | MyDamnation | apt-get * |
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| 22:53.46 | abrotman | MyDamnation: did you install the kernel metapackage ? |
| 22:53.58 | abrotman | judd: depends linux-image-2.6-686 --release unstable |
| 22:53.58 | judd | abrotman: linux-image-2.6-686 -- Depends: linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 22:54.12 | MyDamnation | abrotman: nop |
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| 22:54.25 | abrotman | MyDamnation: so install the one for your CPU |
| 22:54.40 | MyDamnation | abrotman: i found the 2.60.30 in the repo |
| 22:54.55 | stew | MyDamnation: also, apt-get upgrade won't install new packages, only upgrade ones that can be upgraded without needing to add/remove packages, so apt-get upgrade would never pull in a new package like linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 |
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| 22:55.19 | stew | MyDamnation: what version of debian were you running previously? |
| 22:55.21 | themill | (aptitude safe-upgrade would, however... yay aptitude!) |
| 22:55.28 | MyDamnation | stew: 5.02 |
| 22:55.35 | pnux | go aptitude! |
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| 22:55.40 | MyDamnation | stew: fresh installation |
| 22:55.40 | stew | MyDamnation: why do you want to use unstable? |
| 22:55.52 | MyDamnation | stew: its my home machine |
| 22:55.57 | abrotman | so? |
| 22:55.59 | stew | MyDamnation: why do you want to use unstable on your home machine? |
| 22:56.11 | MyDamnation | stew: try new stuff |
| 22:56.17 | MyDamnation | stew: new gnome ^^ |
| 22:56.25 | pnux | oh god |
| 22:56.29 | MyDamnation | stew: i dont care if it breaks |
| 22:56.34 | stew | that's good |
| 22:56.49 | stew | becuase it will, especially the way you are trying to upgrade it |
| 22:56.56 | MyDamnation | lol |
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| 22:57.22 | MyDamnation | so how to upgrade to 2.6.30 "cleanly" ? |
| 22:57.26 | meetmeonaholiday | I wouldn't say that stew. I've done unstable for years and had few problems |
| 22:57.34 | themill | MyDamnation: you really need to understand how debian package management works before you start monkeying with unstable. |
| 22:57.36 | D-Boy | Hi, Bind question (if i may...) I added this domain ==> http://pastebin.com/d5343714b as master but i have the 'classic' error ? ignoring out-of-zone for the 2 first ns :/ any idea ? |
| 22:57.38 | abrotman | meetmeonaholiday: do you know how to use debian? do you know what a metapackage is ? |
| 22:58.04 | meetmeonaholiday | nope |
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| 22:58.16 | MyDamnation | themill: yeah i read some doc |
| 22:58.24 | MyDamnation | themill: and it all say that it will break |
| 22:58.29 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 22:58.29 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 22:58.41 | MyDamnation | :D |
| 22:58.46 | themill | MyDamnation: walk first, run later. |
| 22:58.48 | stew | meetmeonaholiday: well most of us here would say that |
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| 23:00.36 | pickcoder | MyDamnation: if you want bleeding edge, there are other distros that cater to that. |
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| 23:01.19 | MyDamnation | pickcoder: i've been using ubuntu for a while |
| 23:01.28 | MyDamnation | pickcoder: it became too automatic |
| 23:01.34 | pnux | that must be it |
| 23:02.03 | pnux | ubuntu is getting way too stupid-friendly.. but lets not go there |
| 23:03.20 | MyDamnation | debian is really cooler |
| 23:03.29 | lucas_ | god forbid that anyone actually use their computers, right? |
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| 23:03.51 | pnux | does anybody know if the /boot/grub/stage1 and /boot/grub/stage2 are "copyable"? im missing mine and have no idea what to do |
| 23:04.03 | pnux | (grub2) |
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| 23:04.28 | Bohemian | how do i recompile PHP with "--with-gd using the bundled GD library"? |
| 23:05.12 | abrotman | what's wrong with php5-gd ? |
| 23:05.15 | pickcoder | install php5-gd? |
| 23:05.43 | Bohemian | if i do this, will all my sites with php stop working? |
| 23:06.17 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:06.19 | Web31337 | Bohemian: no you should load gd library later yourself in php.ini |
| 23:06.31 | abrotman | Bohemian: why would they stop working? you're adding a php module |
| 23:06.41 | Bohemian | abrotman: no idea, just don't want to do it and fuck up |
| 23:06.56 | Bohemian | Web31337: so apt-get php5-gd and then put what in php.ini? |
| 23:07.04 | Web31337 | watch language please :) |
| 23:07.05 | pickcoder | Bohemian: unless there is a bug in the installation scripts it should not affect existing config |
| 23:07.17 | Bohemian | sorry |
| 23:07.20 | pickcoder | it shouldn't be in stable if it's broken... |
| 23:07.58 | themill | Web31337, Bohemian: If you are using the Debian-provided config file layout, the module is automatically enabled in the php config when you install it. |
| 23:07.59 | pickcoder | though, that's not to say bugs don't slip through or that such a bug wasn't considered RC |
| 23:08.04 | Web31337 | then uncomment extension=gd.so or how-it-named there. |
| 23:08.11 | themill | not needed. |
| 23:08.35 | Web31337 | well i use own-compiled php so i never tried it :) |
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| 23:09.05 | themill | Web31337: we like people who have tried it to be the ones offering advice. |
| 23:09.15 | Bohemian | here's the problem. i just apt-get'ed and restarted apache2 and i'm still getting this error in drupal: http://pastebin.com/d6f6a99c2 |
| 23:09.33 | Bohemian | themill: i don't think i edited it, but honestly, i don't know where the php.ini file is... |
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| 23:09.51 | sanmarcos | how do I update the debian menu to rescan /usr/share/menu? |
| 23:09.54 | zenwryly | Is there a way to use something like tar or something else to represent backup and restore *just* file metadata (mode, owner, group, etc.)? I'm looking for a somewhat standard approach to avoid tool lock in. |
| 23:09.57 | cantido | Bohemian: seems right.. |
| 23:10.02 | abrotman | sanmarcos: update-menu |
| 23:10.05 | abrotman | -menus |
| 23:10.06 | Bohemian | cantido: what seems right? |
| 23:10.20 | sanmarcos | abrotman: I dont have that command, neither as root |
| 23:10.39 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321237 |
| 23:10.42 | cantido | Bohemian: the gd module in debian will be compiled against the offical libgd.. not some patched version from the php website |
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| 23:10.50 | abrotman | sanmarcos: are you using debian? |
| 23:10.57 | sanmarcos | abrotman: yes, bot sid and stable, I don't see it |
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| 23:11.06 | Bohemian | cantido: but shouldn't that error go away now that i've used --with-gd in my configure options? |
| 23:11.07 | abrotman | sanmarcos: update-m<tab> ? |
| 23:11.16 | abrotman | sanmarcos: if you've installed 'xorg', you should have it |
| 23:11.18 | Bohemian | or it has, and that will always show up? |
| 23:11.29 | Bohemian | :) |
| 23:11.29 | themill | offers abrotman an "s" |
| 23:11.29 | abrotman | Bohemian: that link above is for you |
| 23:11.29 | Web31337 | Bohemian: does phpinfo() shows loaded gd extension? |
| 23:11.30 | abrotman | themill: i added it! |
| 23:12.12 | remur_030 | Hello, I want to externalize /var and /tmp because I want to move the root filesystem to a flash device, problem is I don't know what's the proper way to do this currently I bind them to a directory on the usb stick, but how do I make sure the systemstart waits for everything to be proper mounted? |
| 23:12.43 | Bohemian | thanks abrotman |
| 23:12.51 | Bohemian | Web31337: i think the issue is at rest, but what is phpinfo()? |
| 23:12.59 | remur_030 | so on start he doesn't starts firing syslogd events which can't be stored because /var hasn't showed up yet? |
| 23:13.22 | sanmarcos | abrotman: got it, menu wasn't installed, yet xfce showed the Debian menu |
| 23:13.25 | BoltPower21 | Why would i use insserv? im on etch, and its not installed by default. I have been searching and it seems to be a package that you would want installed? |
| 23:14.03 | cantido | remur_030: you don't need to put the whole of /var outside your flash based fs |
| 23:14.10 | remur_030 | BoltPower21: it allows for better parallel startup, scripts are run in a dependency based way |
| 23:14.12 | cantido | remur_030: only stuff like run etc |
| 23:14.12 | sanmarcos | those xfce cocksuckers |
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| 23:14.13 | superlinux | cantido, pickcoder this is what i am thinking of. i made a sketch. http://yfrog.com/0otrafficshaperdevicep |
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| 23:14.55 | sanmarcos | I hate releasing software, so much testing... |
| 23:14.55 | cantido | superlinux: you'd probably have to make such a thing.. |
| 23:15.13 | superlinux | well... |
| 23:15.14 | remur_030 | cantido: well I want alot of /var out of the flash, like /var/log, /var/run /var/spool and /var/cache, so I thought I'd go right ahead with /var |
| 23:15.42 | superlinux | then it's an idea that should be manufactured |
| 23:15.46 | cantido | superlinux: use something like a routerboard (I think thats what its called) |
| 23:15.58 | superlinux | ok |
| 23:16.37 | remur_030 | superlinux: check out the openrd-client |
| 23:16.47 | superlinux | ok |
| 23:16.55 | cantido | remur_030: nah, you don't want to do that.. look at the aspire one page on the debian wiki |
| 23:16.57 | pickcoder | superlinux: you can always use a uatx board |
| 23:17.07 | remur_030 | that's propably pretty close to what you want, though lacking a proper lcd driver port |
| 23:17.12 | cantido | remur_030: it tells you how to move those bits out of your main fs |
| 23:17.14 | superlinux | ok |
| 23:17.33 | remur_030 | cantido: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne I take it? |
| 23:17.38 | pickcoder | you can get 3-9" LCD displays that accept A/V input (VGA is not always an option on smaller displays) |
| 23:17.43 | cantido | any emdebbed process is going to be pretty weak at shifting packets though |
| 23:17.48 | cantido | processor |
| 23:17.52 | cantido | remur_030: yep |
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| 23:18.00 | pickcoder | cantido: have you seen Ubiquiti's products? |
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| 23:18.34 | pickcoder | we're on a litestation here talking to an AP a mile or so down the road |
| 23:18.44 | remur_030 | cantido: I thought tmpfs for the log will create problems? and I'd like my logs to stick around after a reboot cycle |
| 23:18.47 | superlinux | i think i should tell my brothers about the idea. they are electrical engineers. I am just an IT/programmer. i know how to just put boards and cards on the mobo's |
| 23:19.20 | cantido | superlinux: people generally just buy decent routers for doing that sort of thing |
| 23:19.49 | cantido | remur_030: mmm I'm not sure having log on a tmps causes problems, other than you loose all your logs on a reboot |
| 23:20.17 | superlinux | i know.. but such a bridge is cool to have. plus, it's small and hand held. |
| 23:20.26 | pickcoder | superlinux: unless it has some unique feature that a typical router can't do then it probably won't sell well. You also need to consider price point. |
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| 23:20.53 | superlinux | it's like a module. |
| 23:20.57 | pickcoder | traffic analysis devices are already on the market and some of them are really nice |
| 23:21.08 | cantido | superlinux: a lot of crappy wifi ap/routers can be turned into the same thing |
| 23:22.04 | remur_030 | yeah, wrt54g to the max! |
| 23:22.09 | pickcoder | superlinux: find a specific application for the product and come up with a tecnical product design for it |
| 23:22.33 | pickcoder | just being a small traffic shaper probably won't be worth the cost involved in producing it |
| 23:22.38 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 23:24.24 | superlinux | you all are correct. but i still feel such a thing is convenient |
| 23:25.10 | superlinux | and what i know is that cisco does not sell such a thing as part of its products. |
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| 23:25.38 | cantido | superlinux: cisco own linksys.. linksys produce things that can do that |
| 23:25.47 | superlinux | ok |
| 23:26.22 | cantido | a PIX will also do traffic shaping |
| 23:26.41 | eqisow | I'm trying to unlock my encrypted root fs remotely via dropbear. I can log in via dropbear fine when the server is running, but at the luks prompt I get "Permission denied, please try again" with the exact same credentials. Is there something I have to configure specifically for the initramfs? |
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| 23:27.54 | superlinux | my friend works in a cisco branch in Jerusalem and told me they have to use three cisco devices to achieve the results of linux's tc |
| 23:28.03 | BoltPower21 | Im not being dumb when i say, you can NOT use apt-get or aptitude to install package file "package234.deb"? Right? You can only use dpkg? |
| 23:28.33 | cantido | superlinux: ok, so you just buy a 1U box from Dell or someone |
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| 23:28.40 | abrotman | there are other tools also .. but in general |
| 23:28.47 | superlinux | ok |
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| 23:29.30 | BoltPower21 | what another tool? would like to know. Thanks, |
| 23:29.55 | craigevil | BoltPower21: gdebi |
| 23:29.57 | cantido | superlinux: your little box would need an expensive FPGA or something to be able to maintain decent throughput ;) |
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| 23:30.30 | superlinux | aha. ok |
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| 23:30.57 | BoltPower21 | craigevil: thanks, If you need to install a single package file, is that the tool you would use or dpkg? |
| 23:31.37 | craigevil | BoltPower21: dpkg works 99% of the time but if you dont have the necessary depends installed gdebi will download and install them |
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| 23:33.15 | BoltPower21 | Also, what is the command to use to download a file in a terminal? |
| 23:33.33 | tjoff | wget |
| 23:35.15 | BoltPower21 | tjoff: haaaa, wget i thought it was something like webget.. thanks. |
| 23:35.34 | happy_ | does anyone here know a command to strip a binary file of everything but text? |
| 23:36.20 | abrotman | strings ? |
| 23:36.39 | syslq78 | Can I make password macro? |
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| 23:37.00 | happy_ | abrotman: I will look that up |
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| 23:39.01 | abrotman | syslq78: a what? |
| 23:39.11 | happy_ | abrotman: thanks. It worked :-) |
| 23:39.39 | syslq78 | abrotman, macro that would be triggered from some keycombination |
| 23:39.51 | abrotman | to do what? |
| 23:41.12 | syslq78 | to stdout password when pressed |
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| 23:44.40 | cantido | syslq78: that's called a password with symbols in it |
| 23:45.02 | abrotman | still not making sense |
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| 23:45.31 | KidneyBeanstalk | sup abrotman |
| 23:45.32 | uman | How can I restart Alsa in lenny? |
| 23:45.38 | KidneyBeanstalk | ever been to south africa abrotman? |
| 23:45.42 | cantido | I think he wants to be able to press shift-f3-* or something and get his password passed into an application |
| 23:45.44 | syslq78 | abrotman, G15 keyboard has macro option, you "RECORD" something and it's binded onto that key, and when promted enter password for user : you press the damn thing instead of typing |
| 23:45.48 | abrotman | KidneyBeanstalk: #debian-offtopic |
| 23:45.59 | KidneyBeanstalk | bleh |
| 23:46.20 | cantido | syslq78: if you don't like remembering passwords use a wallet/keyring thing |
| 23:46.35 | syslq78 | cantido, thanks, that's what I wanted |
| 23:46.42 | syslq78 | cantido, mah I have them tooo long |
| 23:47.14 | cantido | syslq78: that sort of thing doesn't work across the board though.. like kwallet only really works with kde's apps |
| 23:47.36 | syslq78 | cantido, :) |
| 23:47.38 | cantido | syslq78: but loading all your passwords into keyboard shortcuts sounds a bit retarded honestly |
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| 23:49.06 | syslq78 | cantido, not all only root |
| 23:49.09 | syslq78 | cantido, why? |
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| 23:49.18 | syslq78 | I'm the only one with access |
| 23:49.49 | cantido | syslq78: totally negates the point of passwords if someone can just mash your keyboard to find them out |
| 23:50.06 | syslq78 | cantido, o really and what's remote access pasword for than? |
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| 23:50.32 | cantido | remote access to what? |
| 23:50.38 | syslq78 | cantido, ssh for example |
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| 23:50.51 | cantido | syslq78: use public keys and a key agent |
| 23:51.00 | syslq78 | cantido, btw if somebody has physical access to your computer can just load linux single |
| 23:51.05 | syslq78 | Or rip out drive |
| 23:51.10 | syslq78 | cantido, I do |
| 23:51.28 | cantido | syslq78: doesn't work if you have an encrypted fs does it? |
| 23:52.03 | cantido | if you're going to store passwords as keyboard shortcuts, just use short passwords |
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| 23:53.45 | syslq78 | cantido, it's late and I'm pissed for having to type now be a pal and tell me how is clonezilla or is there something better for linux drive cloning and dont say dd since images are just too big even gziped ones |
| 23:53.59 | syslq78 | cantido, in general I like my password |
| 23:54.14 | cantido | um dd + 7zip ? |
| 23:54.18 | syslq78 | But I'm eating something and special characters are causing my keyboard to have shit all over |
| 23:54.43 | syslq78 | cantido, dd makes an image that's several 10gigs in size |
| 23:54.51 | syslq78 | Kind of waste in space dont you think |
| 23:54.52 | cantido | syslq78: yes, then you compress it |
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| 23:55.45 | syslq78 | cantido and it's still several 10 gigs in size |
| 23:56.18 | cantido | syslq78: you can't compress data smalled than the "information" it contains |
| 23:56.27 | cantido | see: wikipedia information theory |
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| 23:56.38 | cantido | s/smalled/smaller |
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| 23:57.08 | syslq78 | cantido, well how the hell do you explain the inner working of some windows programs than |
| 23:57.17 | syslq78 | ghost for instance? |
| 23:57.31 | syslq78 | 2gigs for the roughly same data |
| 23:57.38 | cantido | um, ghost probably just creates compressed images, nothing magic |
| 23:57.38 | syslq78 | 28gigs with gziped dd |
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| 23:57.54 | syslq78 | 14x better compression? |
| 23:58.03 | syslq78 | bull |
| 23:58.10 | cantido | did you try bzip? 7zip? |
| 23:58.21 | syslq78 | cantido, such difference from gzip? |
| 23:58.25 | `nes | 7zip rocks |
| 23:58.28 | cantido | also I doubt the disparity is that big |
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| 23:58.38 | synnaptics | I have disabled all but tty1 & tty2 at boot on my debian system but I'm trying to figure out how to turn extra tty's on if I need them. |
| 23:58.41 | synnaptics | Anyone know how to do that? |
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| 23:58.59 | cantido | syslq78: in some cases yes, most, no |
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| 23:59.06 | abrotman | synnaptics: /etc/inittab |
| 23:59.07 | syslq78 | cantido, well it's not much smaller, anyway clonezilla seems to be ok based on reviews I'll let you know ;) |
| 23:59.20 | synnaptics | I disabled them in inittab at boot |
| 23:59.32 | abrotman | and? |
| 23:59.35 | synnaptics | abrotman: but I'm trying to figure out how to invoke them once my system is already started |
| 23:59.37 | cantido | syslq78: if you could compress 28gig down to 2gig you have 26gigs of zero's |
| 23:59.50 | syslq78 | cantido, yeah very likely |