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| 00:00.17 | syslq78 | cantido, dunno cant think anymore, it's 2.00 in the morning :) |
| 00:00.25 | abrotman | synnaptics: you can turn them back on and telinit q |
| 00:00.34 | cantido | syslq78: also, maybe ghost is reading what the filesystem says is on the disk and not cloning stuff that has been deleted |
| 00:00.49 | syslq78 | cantido, hmm, yeah |
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| 00:00.58 | syslq78 | cantido, I think that is very probable answer |
| 00:01.09 | cantido | disk images are stupid in most cases anyhow |
| 00:01.24 | syslq78 | cantido, well they saved me a lot of work |
| 00:01.28 | synnaptics | abrotman: How do I do that? |
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| 00:01.40 | syslq78 | cantido, or you mean dd things, well yeah , they dump everything |
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| 00:02.16 | cantido | syslq78: dd isn't a "disk imager" by design.. it can by used to do that though |
| 00:02.27 | syslq78 | cantido, yeah |
| 00:03.07 | synnaptics | abrotman: Ahh-ha I got it, thank you! |
| 00:03.09 | cantido | syslq78: anyhow, just backup you files. job done |
| 00:03.15 | cantido | syslq78: s/you/your/ |
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| 00:03.58 | syslq78 | cantido, not really, you still need to set up the system if everything goes to hell, but then again you can just feed aptitude with file list and have config saved so you might have a point there |
| 00:05.04 | cantido | syslq78: why? if you take a complete copy of / and put it on another fs and whack a bootloader on it'll work fine |
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| 00:05.37 | syslq78 | cantido, heh, now that I have you for to remind me I can do this in linux |
| 00:05.39 | syslq78 | :) |
| 00:05.47 | syslq78 | cantido, yeah it should work |
| 00:06.01 | syslq78 | so only dd mbr |
| 00:06.41 | cantido | syslq78: or just boot a live cd or the debian install in rescue mode, copy the files back, chroot in and run grub-install |
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| 00:07.38 | syslq78 | aha |
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| 00:17.03 | macrobat | can i chroot from a 64bit live-cd to a 32-bit partition? |
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| 00:18.42 | test | hi everyone |
| 00:19.14 | DasEi | macrobat: yes |
| 00:19.28 | macrobat | ty :) |
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| 00:42.10 | eqisow | OK, I'm trying to unlock an encrypted root partition via SSH. I'm now able to login to busybox, run cryptroot successfully, and have the boot process resume after doing a 'killall cryptroot'. However, it hangs after populating /dev. Am I doing something wrong, or should I file a bug report? |
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| 00:47.11 | sanmarcos | where can I find that step by step guide to submitting an ITP and getting a sponsor to upload it? |
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| 00:48.05 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i have debian squeeze. My iceweasel doesn't render some pages well. Any idea how to solve it? |
| 00:50.16 | KidneyBeanstalk | What is iceweasel? |
| 00:50.27 | cockroach | !iceweasel |
| 00:50.27 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 00:50.55 | KidneyBeanstalk | so its a firefox that works with gnome? |
| 00:51.34 | azeem_ | KidneyBeanstalk: that doesn't follow |
| 00:51.43 | azeem_ | is functionally equivalent to firefox |
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| 00:53.06 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: try other browsers .. is it gecko in general? or just iceweasel ? |
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| 00:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | KidneyBeanstalk, it's just firefox renamed for legal reasons |
| 00:56.07 | sanmarcos | I cant find it, there was a step by step guide on filing an ITP and getting a sponsor to upload it |
| 00:56.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | eqisow, not sure, have a look through the factoids you get with /msg dpkg nmg and /msg dpkg mentors |
| 00:56.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 00:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | sanmarcos, not eqisow |
| 00:56.48 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: just iceweasel |
| 00:56.56 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: so you tried epiphany ? |
| 00:57.28 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: yeah |
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| 00:57.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confuse me |
| 00:57.42 | dpkg | No, them was your bacon yesterday, cutmeownthroat? Trousers of the Republic of Micronesia with extra cheese. |
| 00:57.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed! |
| 00:57.56 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: also i downloaded FF and it works ok |
| 00:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | so firefox renders them correctly, iceweasel does not? |
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| 00:59.02 | Ariel_Calzada | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah it's a problem only with iceweasel |
| 00:59.11 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: got a url? |
| 00:59.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you check the bts? |
| 00:59.28 | craigevil | Ariel_Calzada: did you try changing the user.agent from Iceweasel to Firefox? |
| 01:00.17 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: http://conocimiento.alfaomega.com.co |
| 01:00.43 | abrotman | going to share what about it doesn't work ? |
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| 01:01.22 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: sorry www.alfaomega.com.co |
| 01:01.40 | Ariel_Calzada | craigevil: nop how to do that? |
| 01:01.56 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: what about it is broken ? |
| 01:02.08 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: let me take a ss |
| 01:02.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks ok to me? |
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| 01:03.45 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: http://imagebin.ca/view/sN78JE.html |
| 01:03.51 | abrotman | sanmarcos: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#newpackage |
| 01:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ariel_Calzada, perhaps some stale settings... mv .firefox .firefox.old; pkill firefox; iceweasel& |
| 01:04.21 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: and? looks fine ? |
| 01:04.33 | sanmarcos | abrotman: mmn not that one, but I will follow that guide anyhow, just file the ITP and ask for sponsor |
| 01:04.43 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: oh .. i bet it's a flash issue |
| 01:05.06 | abrotman | sanmarcos: it tells you how to file an ITP ... |
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| 01:05.38 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: layouts crash |
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| 01:05.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !adobe flash |
| 01:05.53 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 01:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you have gnash instead, by any chance? |
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| 01:06.26 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: looks like a flash issue to me |
| 01:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can a layout crash? |
| 01:06.53 | pistorexDD | i need the original file /etc/apt/sources.list Please Send-me for DCC |
| 01:07.00 | Ariel_Calzada | CutMeOwnThroat: not displayed well |
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| 01:07.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe I'm blind, but I still don't see what's wrong with the screenshot |
| 01:07.33 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: the corners are messed up |
| 01:07.40 | pistorexDD | Please people help-me |
| 01:07.42 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: about:plugins .. which version of flash ? |
| 01:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right |
| 01:07.51 | abrotman | pistorexDD: what's wrong with yours? |
| 01:07.55 | pistorexDD | i need this file /etc/apt/sources.list Please Send-me for DCC |
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| 01:08.02 | craigevil | !tell pistorexDD about sources.list |
| 01:08.14 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22 |
| 01:08.23 | pistorexDD | abrotman: its 5.01 |
| 01:08.29 | abrotman | pistorexDD: no it's not |
| 01:08.38 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: i have r32 .. it looks fine here |
| 01:08.43 | GhostlyDeath | pistorexDD: There is no original |
| 01:08.44 | pistorexDD | craigevil , i erased my file x= |
| 01:08.52 | abrotman | pistorexDD: aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 01:08.58 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:09.05 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: how to download r32 |
| 01:09.12 | Ariel_Calzada | abrotman: directly from adobe? |
| 01:09.49 | GhostlyDeath | pistorexDD: add "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free" to a new file |
| 01:09.49 | abrotman | Ariel_Calzada: how did you install flash to start with ? |
| 01:09.49 | GhostlyDeath | NET SPLIT! |
| 01:09.49 | pistorexDD | abrotman: hei , you have a sources.list , edited? |
| 01:09.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | in deed |
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| 01:09.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | pistorexDD, see the message from dpkg... |
| 01:09.50 | pistorexDD | abrotman , http's links |
| 01:09.50 | abrotman | pistorexDD: not for your system .. |
| 01:10.11 | pistorexDD | abrotman: yes , i need Source list |
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| 01:10.15 | abrotman | pistorexDD: "deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" |
| 01:10.19 | pistorexDD | abrotman: Links web sites |
| 01:10.23 | abrotman | hopes he typed that right |
| 01:10.29 | GhostlyDeath | pistorexDD: What country are you in? |
| 01:10.35 | pistorexDD | GhostlyDeath: i'm from brazil |
| 01:10.43 | GhostlyDeath | Do you use lenny? |
| 01:10.44 | abrotman | i just gave him the ones he needs |
| 01:10.59 | GhostlyDeath | if so, then add abrotman's stuff to the file |
| 01:11.00 | pistorexDD | GhostlyDeath: i use apt-get |
| 01:11.08 | abrotman | pistorexDD: i already gave you the lines you need |
| 01:11.10 | GhostlyDeath | as root |
| 01:11.11 | GhostlyDeath | Do this |
| 01:11.20 | pistorexDD | abrotman: i have acess root |
| 01:11.31 | GhostlyDeath | echo "deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:11.39 | pistorexDD | Ok thx |
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| 01:11.47 | GhostlyDeath | echo "deb http://security.debian.org/debian/ lenny/update main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:11.49 | Evet | How can I fix ssh auth key error: http://pastebin.com/d2ac5bc44 |
| 01:11.52 | GhostlyDeath | err updates* |
| 01:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | spoon-fed |
| 01:12.10 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: Delete the key info |
| 01:12.14 | GhostlyDeath | in ~/.ssh |
| 01:12.20 | GhostlyDeath | for the offending key |
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| 01:12.25 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, i deleted. doesnt change anything |
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| 01:12.32 | abrotman | deleted what? |
| 01:12.45 | sanmarcos | should I delete *** Please type your report below this line *** ? |
| 01:12.47 | GhostlyDeath | there should be file known as "known_hosts" |
| 01:12.57 | pistorexDD | hey |
| 01:12.58 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, Yes, I deleted the file |
| 01:13.05 | pistorexDD | Help-me install Real-Vnc Server |
| 01:13.13 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:13.13 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:13.21 | pistorexDD | abrotman x= |
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| 01:13.33 | pistorexDD | My vnc this http://201.86.252.65:8080/vncerror.txt |
| 01:13.40 | sanmarcos | or does the debian BTS just delete that line? |
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| 01:14.06 | GhostlyDeath | pistorexDD: you need the fonts package installed |
| 01:14.12 | GhostlyDeath | which is called... |
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| 01:14.35 | pistorexDD | GhostlyDeath: install at apt-get? |
| 01:14.48 | GhostlyDeath | apt-get install xfonts-base |
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| 01:14.56 | fas3r | hello |
| 01:14.56 | fas3r | i have an error with openvpn : MULTI: bad source address from client [192.168.2.3], packet dropped, i have search on google but don't find solution |
| 01:14.58 | fas3r | i have try to push the route (push "route 192.168.2.0 255.255.255.0") of client lan, like see on the doc but sames result |
| 01:15.01 | pistorexDD | GhostlyDeath thx whait |
| 01:15.05 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, Yes, I deleted the file. nothing changes |
| 01:15.14 | abrotman | pistorexDD: aptitude install xorg |
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| 01:15.43 | fas3r | i have an error with openvpn : MULTI: bad source address from client [192.168.2.3], packet dropped, i have search on google but don't find solution |
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| 01:15.58 | fas3r | i have try to push the route (push "route 192.168.2.0 255.255.255.0") of client lan, like see on the doc but sames result |
| 01:16.08 | abrotman | fas3r: are you repeating for a reason? |
| 01:16.10 | GhostlyDeath | You don't have to repeat what you said |
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| 01:16.34 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: There any other ssh clients open? |
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| 01:17.01 | sanmarcos | ah this is it! http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html |
| 01:17.19 | fas3r | ho sorry it's just i test my vpn in parallele and not sure my question was post |
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| 01:17.48 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, no |
| 01:18.16 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: what about /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts ? |
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| 01:18.47 | cantido | fas3r: do you have multiple interfaces? |
| 01:19.28 | fas3r | cantido on my client ? |
| 01:19.45 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, there isn't ssh_known_hosts file in/etc/ssh |
| 01:20.11 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: and you are sure ~/.ssh/known_hosts does not exist? |
| 01:20.20 | GhostlyDeath | stat ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 01:20.58 | fas3r | cantido: i'm behind a gateway if it's what's you ask me |
| 01:20.59 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, yes im sure |
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| 01:21.05 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: Are you deleting the known_hosts file from the same user name? |
| 01:21.10 | GhostlyDeath | as you are trying to ssh from? |
| 01:21.14 | fas3r | cantido: with multiple interface yes |
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| 01:21.39 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, yes |
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| 01:21.52 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: Did you do the stat command? |
| 01:21.59 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, no |
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| 01:22.08 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: do it |
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| 01:22.55 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: Also, the remote host may be switching keys on you, or you may be really falling in a man in the middle attack |
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| 01:23.30 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, no. I changed the server's OS via my hosting provider's interface |
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| 01:25.04 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, |
| 01:25.06 | Evet | it solved |
| 01:25.09 | Evet | thank you for help |
| 01:25.16 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: what did you do? |
| 01:26.00 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, deleted /root/.ssh |
| 01:26.20 | pistorexDD | GhostlyDeath the vnc error is continue |
| 01:26.48 | iddo | can i exclude a package from apt-get autoremove ? |
| 01:26.56 | pistorexDD | i'm install aptitude install xorg , and , fonts package installed |
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| 01:27.16 | abrotman | iddo: you can set it unmarkauto |
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| 01:27.32 | GhostlyDeath | xfonts-base |
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| 01:28.02 | iddo | abrotman: i mean exclude a single package and autoremove all the rest |
| 01:28.29 | abrotman | iddo: yes .. you mark it manually installed .. so when you remove whatever you're removing .. that other thing will stay |
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| 01:28.47 | iddo | abrotman: ok how to do it? |
| 01:28.55 | abrotman | man aptitude |
| 01:29.13 | veritoz | hi |
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| 01:31.31 | taiyedbrodel | does anybody uses Frostwire? |
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| 01:32.52 | pistorexDD | this error http://201.86.252.65:8080/vncerror.txt its continue |
| 01:33.32 | abrotman | taiyedbrodel: ask a better question |
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| 01:34.19 | veritoz | hi |
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| 01:34.43 | abrotman | we saw the first time :) |
| 01:35.08 | taiyedbrodel | Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego? |
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| 01:35.54 | taiyedbrodel | jk, frostwire depends on jre, I've installed, start it and it says there is no jre installed |
| 01:35.54 | comos | how to startx in tty9? |
| 01:35.54 | abrotman | taiyedbrodel: which jre did you install ? |
| 01:36.15 | comos | how to startx in tty9? i am use chroot |
| 01:36.25 | taiyedbrodel | sun-java6-jre |
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| 01:37.24 | tawan | why would this fail to start deluge at 2mins past 3am ? |
| 01:37.25 | tawan | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 01:37.25 | tawan | 2 3 * * * /usr/bin/deluge |
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| 01:40.08 | sanmarcos | shadow puppet theatheer |
| 01:40.13 | sanmarcos | tawan: because it cant execute X |
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| 01:40.25 | sanmarcos | tawan: you cant run graphical apps from crontabs as far as I know |
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| 01:40.57 | sanmarcos | tawan: try redirecting the log &> (i believe) and see what comes out, also check out your email (mail command), or just /var/log/syslog, crontabs are put there |
| 01:40.58 | cantido | mmm you could set DISPLAY |
| 01:41.08 | sanmarcos | tawan: make sure that you are also using your own crontab and not the system wide |
| 01:41.12 | sanmarcos | crontab -e |
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| 01:41.35 | taiyedbrodel | I'm getting this when run it from terminal http://pastebin.com/m54b406d6 |
| 01:41.53 | tawan | sanmarcos, ok, thanks, will check it all out |
| 01:42.11 | sanmarcos | tawan: check out the at command too, atd |
| 01:42.13 | cantido | taiyedbrodel: install a java runtime |
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| 01:42.24 | comos | how to startx in tty9? |
| 01:42.27 | sanmarcos | tawan: also msg dpkg "at", "atd", cron, crontab, etc, google up a little bit |
| 01:42.37 | cantido | tawan: x11 apps need $DISPLAY set, cron doesn't do that |
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| 01:43.25 | taiyedbrodel | cantido I did it |
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| 01:43.49 | taiyedbrodel | cantido I installed sun-java6-jre |
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| 01:44.37 | comos | how to startx in tty9? |
| 01:44.40 | cantido | taiyedbrodel: what happens if you run java? |
| 01:45.09 | daemon | hey guys im having some odd problems with pure-ftpd in the fact that it seems to be flat out broken |
| 01:45.14 | daemon | is there anything special I have to do on debian |
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| 01:45.20 | sanmarcos | daemon: just use proftpd, or sftp |
| 01:45.48 | daemon | sounds good |
| 01:46.01 | taiyedbrodel | cantido how do I "run" java? |
| 01:46.14 | cantido | taiyedbrodel: you type java, hit enter |
| 01:46.46 | Evet | Webmin or SysCP, which one is better? |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | neither |
| 01:47.06 | daemon | sanmarcos, wow that was easy, thanks for the tip |
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| 01:47.15 | taiyedbrodel | cantido if I run java I get this http://pastebin.com/m3c6b9de3 |
| 01:47.16 | Evet | abrotman, so? what i should use? |
| 01:47.28 | sanmarcos | daemon: yeah, proftpd just works, but you want sftp really these days |
| 01:47.46 | abrotman | Evet: ssh |
| 01:48.00 | daemon | sanmarcos, the security risk is my girlfriends first ever html/css only website, |
| 01:48.06 | daemon | proftpd will do for the time being ;-) |
| 01:48.15 | cantido | taiyedbrodel: "java" on your system points to the kaffe or whatever it's called by the look of it |
| 01:48.42 | cantido | Evet: from personal experience on a friends "server" syscp is a complete bawl ache to use |
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| 01:48.42 | Evet | abrotman, i prefer ssh too. but im planning to sell shared hostings. so, which is better for customers? webmin or syscp? |
| 01:48.47 | markybob | daemon, $10 for any reason to use proftpd over vsftpd, which is used by suse, debian, ibm, kernel.org, redhat, and pretty much all majoy ftp sites ? |
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| 01:49.15 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 01:49.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 01:49.18 | daemon | markybob, I use pure-ftpd im only using pro because it was recommended :P |
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| 01:49.26 | abrotman | markybob!! |
| 01:49.38 | markybob | abrotman, hey :) |
| 01:49.54 | Evet | !syscp |
| 01:49.59 | abrotman | daemon: how is it broken |
| 01:50.01 | Evet | :\ |
| 01:50.27 | daemon | abrotman, it is just returning, even running it from /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd -v returns straight to command prompt, no error what so ever |
| 01:50.34 | cantido | Evet: why do customers need a control panel? :/ |
| 01:50.56 | Evet | cantido, cos they are idiot |
| 01:51.14 | KidneyBeanstalk | What does the linux/debian community intend to do about the claims by companies like microsoft to own patents of certain implementations? |
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| 01:51.32 | daemon | cantido, whats worse is that you can gurantee if you are helping somneone out whatever service they are using will force you to use the control panel with no alternatives, the worlds a funny place eh ;p |
| 01:51.38 | abrotman | daemon: tried starting it from the initscript ? |
| 01:51.39 | cantido | Evet: yeah, but if you look at the stuff syscp does most of it is for the sysadmin |
| 01:51.53 | abrotman | KidneyBeanstalk: WRONG CHANNEL .. last warning |
| 01:51.57 | markybob | KidneyBeanstalk, no one here cares about FUD |
| 01:52.09 | daemon | abrotman, indeed, no output again I even grabbed it by source and built it my self |
| 01:52.19 | abrotman | daemon: that's not a great plan |
| 01:52.27 | KidneyBeanstalk | oops sorry |
| 01:52.41 | daemon | abrotman, well its redundant now, as I swapped to proftpd on that box |
| 01:52.41 | Evet | cantido, wht do you suggest for hosting providing? |
| 01:52.43 | KidneyBeanstalk | what is FUD ? |
| 01:52.55 | abrotman | KidneyBeanstalk: go to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:52.58 | cantido | daemon: mmm shared hosting is a minefield though,.. it's only really worth it if you have no money and want to host a blog about you smelly shoe collection or something |
| 01:53.01 | abrotman | daemon: so what's wron gwith that one ? |
| 01:53.16 | cantido | Evet: mmm give customers ssh and a directory to stick their stuff in? |
| 01:53.21 | daemon | abrotman, nothing, works perfectly |
| 01:53.48 | Evet | cantido, my customers will be probably non-experienced users |
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| 01:54.23 | cantido | Evet: what bits do they need to be able to do? are they going to be handling their own dns records etc? |
| 01:54.25 | daemon | Evet, you could setup two vms, or jails, or virtualized enviroments of some kind and run one for experiance users and one for noobies |
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| 01:55.12 | daemon | or just use two different servers :) |
| 01:55.29 | cantido | If I was ever going to host stuff for unknown random customers I'd only ever do raw machines.. customer pays for said machine, that's as far as it goes |
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| 01:55.56 | Evet | cantido, raw machines? |
| 01:56.09 | daemon | Evet, no dom0 or virtualization |
| 01:56.19 | cantido | Evet: yeah, dedicated servers I suppose |
| 01:56.44 | cantido | Evet: you'd get A box, a remote console of some variety, and remote reboots etc.. after that it's up to you. |
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| 01:58.47 | Evet | cantido, my only server can afford about two hundreds of customers |
| 01:58.54 | Evet | unless i provide them vps |
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| 01:59.19 | cantido | Evet: I didn't understand a word of that. |
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| 01:59.42 | tanweer | any budy here? |
| 01:59.46 | cantido | no |
| 01:59.53 | tanweer | wow |
| 02:00.00 | tanweer | i m in room now |
| 02:00.05 | tanweer | any way |
| 02:00.11 | Evet | cantido, i cant provide ssh login. they must do their works on a control panel |
| 02:00.14 | tanweer | whts ur nam effrnd/ |
| 02:00.27 | cantido | Evet: what exactly do they need to be able to do? |
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| 02:01.07 | Evet | cantido, few space, few bandwidth, few databases |
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| 02:01.15 | taiyedbrodel | done it, I got it to work |
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| 02:04.07 | taiyedbrodel | but now it says it has detected a firewall and cannot connect |
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| 02:05.09 | parolang | Hello. I installed the dictionary.el package in Ubuntu and now I don't know how to use the package. Do I need to restart the system? |
| 02:06.37 | abrotman | parolang: ask #ubuntu |
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| 02:07.04 | parolang | abrotman: duh :) |
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| 02:07.23 | KidneyBeanstalk | haha |
| 02:07.29 | KidneyBeanstalk | the ubuntu dudes probably didnt know ;p |
| 02:07.38 | parolang | Don't know what I was thinking. This system is debian, but I'm using emacs remotely on an ubuntu system :) |
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| 02:08.41 | nsadmin | parolang: you can do that if you want... |
| 02:08.44 | abrotman | parolang: so you're stillasking about ubuntu ? |
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| 02:08.58 | KidneyBeanstalk | what toolkit does the debian installer use? is it gtk? |
| 02:09.03 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:09.33 | KidneyBeanstalk | is it a custom windows manager? |
| 02:09.58 | parolang | abrotman: Well...I decided to ask on #ubuntu :) I just thought it was the same package that debian has. |
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| 02:10.14 | abrotman | parolang: it's still their OS, not ours |
| 02:10.23 | parolang | abrotman: Fair enough. |
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| 02:10.46 | parolang | nsadmin: Well, it's nice, since this is a netbook I don't have to worry about disk space this way. |
| 02:10.50 | nsadmin | KidneyBeanstalk: you can install what you want... as far as what the debian installer -uses-... why does that matter? you can install in text mode |
| 02:10.59 | Debolaz | Are there any recommended books on the subject of learning Debian? |
| 02:11.08 | abrotman | !docs |
| 02:11.08 | dpkg | Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>. |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:11.14 | abrotman | debian.org/doc |
| 02:11.14 | nsadmin | !fundamentals |
| 02:11.14 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/, or 'apt-get install rutebook' and read! |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | !books |
| 02:11.17 | dpkg | For documentation and books on Debian, see http://www.debian.org/docs and http://www.debian.org/doc/books . Also ask me about <grounding>. |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | oh .. it has both |
| 02:11.29 | Debolaz | Ah, thank you. |
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| 02:11.55 | nsadmin | Debolaz: explore your directory structure from / |
| 02:12.03 | markybob | Debolaz, please learn to google |
| 02:12.16 | nsadmin | see if you can categorize in your mind what the files are |
| 02:12.54 | nsadmin | learn your shell, learn basic commands, like cat, more, echo, head, tail... and cd, mkdir, ls |
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| 02:13.14 | Debolaz | markybob: There's a difference between any books and recommended books. The latter is not about basic googling skills. |
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| 02:14.38 | nsadmin | Debolaz: that may be... but search skills will help you in situations where no person will |
| 02:15.13 | Debolaz | nsadmin: Which again had nothing to do with this. |
| 02:15.24 | nsadmin | additionally, you should start right now developing your search skills -before- you ask questions |
| 02:15.29 | nsadmin | actually it does |
| 02:15.36 | Debolaz | *Sigh* |
| 02:15.39 | Debolaz | What a nice community. |
| 02:16.01 | nsadmin | the meanest ever... now learn to search :_) |
| 02:16.20 | abrotman | hey .. i gave an answer! |
| 02:16.45 | nsadmin | Debolaz: he's right, he did, and so did I |
| 02:17.13 | cantido | Amazon also has a ratings system if you want know if a book is anygood .. ;) |
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| 02:17.34 | nsadmin | the thing is this question is asked over and over again, you have to expect that an answer is written somewhere you can find |
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| 02:18.05 | nsadmin | engaging search before engaging humans doesn't annoy either search or humans |
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| 02:18.31 | d1b | twobitsprite: /win20 |
| 02:18.43 | Debolaz | There's nothing I have stated that would indicate I don't know how to search. I wanted to know *recommended* books, not find just any book. Amazon has already given me a list of books, but knowing which of these is actually a good choice isn't as easy to determine with a simple google search. Such questions tends to be better to ask the community about. And I even thanked abrotman for his response, why are you telling me that he responded when it's ver |
| 02:18.43 | Debolaz | y obvious that I noticed? |
| 02:18.45 | cantido | until google goes skynet |
| 02:18.51 | Debolaz | This discussion is silly. |
| 02:19.24 | abrotman | Debolaz: i don't know that any of those books are current with Lenny .. the /docs is probably a better start |
| 02:19.25 | nsadmin | Debolaz: -geez-, GO TO THE LIBRARY and take your laptop |
| 02:19.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: just let it go .. |
| 02:19.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, he gave you an answer... move on... nothing to see here |
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| 02:20.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | bit pointless to argue he shouldn't have asked |
| 02:20.19 | nsadmin | your argument makes you a KLB |
| 02:20.20 | Debolaz | ponders just starting to /ignore people who just want to attack strawmen for the sake of trying to provoke people. |
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| 02:21.15 | nsadmin | good point... /ignore debolaz!*@* all |
| 02:21.42 | Debolaz | And peace has once again been restored. |
| 02:22.12 | ajavid | strawmen |
| 02:22.30 | ajavid | scarecrow |
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| 02:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | strawberry? |
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| 02:23.11 | holo | hi |
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| 02:23.55 | holo | anyone knows why I cant find any internet browser with apt? I would check this my self on internet if i HAD an internet browser installed |
| 02:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceweasel? |
| 02:24.11 | cantido | holo: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 02:24.31 | holo | oh |
| 02:24.36 | nsadmin | holo: apt-cache search browser |
| 02:24.37 | holo | ok, why not |
| 02:24.40 | ajavid | !www |
| 02:24.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, www is The World Wide Web, or world wide wait |
| 02:24.40 | DiThi | is there a good kde4-full metapackage? |
| 02:24.43 | ajavid | doh |
| 02:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, that produces 636 hits.... |
| 02:25.13 | cantido | DiThi: for lenny? |
| 02:25.19 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: a healthy number! |
| 02:25.27 | DiThi | cantido: squeeze+sid |
| 02:25.36 | holo | what happened to firefox? is it old fashioned now_ |
| 02:25.37 | holo | ? |
| 02:25.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | not really |
| 02:25.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | holo, iceweasel IS firefox |
| 02:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !iceweasel |
| 02:25.50 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 02:25.55 | cantido | DiThi: um, there kde-desktop or something IIRC |
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| 02:26.04 | DiThi | by 'good' I mean a package I can update and all kde4 packages are updated |
| 02:26.15 | DiThi | instead hunting down old versions and updating/removing them |
| 02:26.27 | nsadmin | DiThi packages.debian.org |
| 02:26.34 | craigevil | DiThi: kde-full should work if not try kde-minimal |
| 02:26.37 | holo | Im shocked |
| 02:26.47 | cantido | DiThi: if you upgrade your packages all packages with updates will get updated.. unless their name changes |
| 02:26.55 | markybob | holo, it's been this way for at least 3 years. you're a little late to be shocked |
| 02:26.59 | holo | I feel I entered a cryogenic sleep and just woke up |
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| 02:27.18 | holo | markybob: well, never too late ;) |
| 02:27.35 | holo | I dont use debian for quite some years |
| 02:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf... icecat? |
| 02:27.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I must have slumbered a bit myself |
| 02:27.48 | DiThi | $ apt-cache show kde-full|grep Depends |
| 02:27.48 | DiThi | Depends: kde-minimal (>= 5:50), kdeadmin (>= 4:4.2.2), kdeartwork (>= 4:4.2.2), kdegraphics (>= 4:4.2.2), kdeedu (>= 4:4.2.2), kdegames (>= 4:4.2.2), kdemultimedia (>= 4:4.2.2), kdenetwork (>= 4:4.2.2), kdeutils (>= 4:4.2.2), kdepim (>= 4:4.2.2), kdeplasma-addons (>= 4:4.2.2) |
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| 02:28.05 | DiThi | craigevil: those are for 4.2 |
| 02:28.32 | abrotman | 4.3 isn't in the repos yet AFAIK |
| 02:28.39 | DiThi | abrotman: it's in sid |
| 02:28.47 | abrotman | judd: versions kdebase |
| 02:28.48 | judd | abrotman: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 squeeze: 4:4.2.4-1 sid: 4:4.3.0-1 |
| 02:28.50 | DiThi | since tuesday |
| 02:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, I wanted to suggest kdebase :) |
| 02:29.07 | craigevil | aptitude full-upgrade should upgrade kde4 |
| 02:29.40 | DiThi | craigevil: there's another problem: I use squeeze/testing, with some unstable packages |
| 02:30.18 | dominicus | Is there a way to setup my webcam, so that it is always identified by the same /dev/video# device number? When I start Debian with the webcam attached it acquires /dev/video0, but, if I start without it attached, and then plug it in after the system is up and running, it acquires /dev/video1. |
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| 02:31.16 | abrotman | dominicus: presumably because video0 already exists ? |
| 02:31.31 | maxagaz | when I ssh onto a given machine with my user name (ldap), it logs using another username, where could this problem come from ? |
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| 02:32.02 | dominicus | abrotman: That's my theory, but I don't have any other video input/capture devices. So, I don't know why it happens, or how to reserve one to a specific device name or not. |
| 02:32.09 | cantido | maxagaz: you might have the username in your ssh config |
| 02:32.19 | abrotman | dominicus: so check to see if it exists |
| 02:32.23 | dominicus | abrotman: If that's even possible to begin with. |
| 02:33.11 | dominicus | abrotman: Umm.... /dev/video0 always exists no matter what. But, it's kind of hard to miss an additional webcam that I don't know about. |
| 02:33.37 | cantido | dominicus: could be any v4l device |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | dominicus: i've been spying on your ... |
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| 02:34.34 | dominicus | cantido: I do have an old POS Hauupauge Analog TV Tuner card that is still plugged in. How can I tell if it is associated as that? |
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| 02:35.28 | cantido | dominicus: should say in dmesg.. there will also be info in /proc or /sys .. but I can't remember where |
| 02:35.31 | dominicus | abrotman: You're welcome to spy all you want, but I'll have to start charging you. |
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| 02:36.46 | abrotman | dominicus: possibly some items in /etc/udev/ might help |
| 02:38.27 | dominicus | cantido & abrotman: that video0 is indeed some sort of ivtv0 (aka my Hauppauge WinTV PVR-350). So, is it even possible to reserve a device for a device name, so that it doesn't hop around like that. And since it's a device, that would be a udev config issue then? |
| 02:39.10 | dominicus | cantido: And dmesg gave me the info I needed to match up the card with video0. Thanks. |
| 02:39.18 | cantido | I think you can do that with udev |
| 02:39.26 | markybob | yes. or just compile your own kernel or add pvr-350 module to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 02:39.56 | slidesinger | Right, now I'm up to speed on the execution order: /etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile. What I'm unclear on is what the purpose of the individual files is. /etc/profile is obviously for system wide settings. What is the difference between the other files? |
| 02:39.57 | cantido | why compile your own kernel? bit drastic? |
| 02:40.19 | markybob | *shrug* i do. but i did mention the black list :P |
| 02:42.19 | dominicus | cantido & abrotman: Thanks for the advice. (I'm still trying to learn where everything is stored in linux.) |
| 02:42.31 | markybob | i still have to stop myself from mentioning update-modules |
| 02:42.44 | markybob | damn old habits :P |
| 02:43.22 | pistorexDD | hey people help-me about VncServer ( Real-Vnc Enterprise 4.5 ) |
| 02:43.25 | slidesinger | I think everyone should compile their own kernel at least once. For the experience, if for nothing else. |
| 02:43.34 | pistorexDD | this error http://201.86.252.65:8080/vncerror.txt |
| 02:44.01 | markybob | pistorexDD, why mess around with that when gnome comes with it's own vnc server? |
| 02:44.08 | pistorexDD | i'm install the pack's but .. not working. |
| 02:44.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, "aptitude show '?user-tag(web::browser)'" should have been the correct search |
| 02:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't work though |
| 02:44.22 | markybob | pistorexDD, it's called vino. system->preferences->remote desktop |
| 02:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude debtags documentations leaves something to wish for |
| 02:44.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... like a better documentation |
| 02:45.08 | pistorexDD | markybob: yes gnome as running ! |
| 02:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | slidesinger, and walk over red-glowing coals |
| 02:45.19 | markybob | pistorexDD, so use vino. forget realvnc |
| 02:45.23 | rsmith | is there a package which contains the info at http://www.debian.org/doc/ ? The manuals, specifically |
| 02:45.31 | pistorexDD | markybob i no have a "graphic acess" i have putty acess "ssh" |
| 02:45.44 | abrotman | rsmith: i think there's a debian-reference or debian-doc package |
| 02:46.01 | markybob | pistorexDD, that's not relevant |
| 02:46.08 | pistorexDD | markybob vino why? what command? =x |
| 02:47.08 | pistorexDD | markybob: i need vncserver =x |
| 02:47.20 | markybob | pistorexDD, vino *is* a vnc server |
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| 02:47.52 | rsmith | abrotman: ok, aptitude search reference shows some of them. thanks! |
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| 02:48.10 | pistorexDD | markybob: cool , apt-get vino? |
| 02:48.20 | markybob | pistorexDD, yes |
| 02:48.37 | pistorexDD | markybob: oK" |
| 02:48.38 | markybob | pistorexDD, config file is pistorexDD, ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/remote_access/%gconf.xml |
| 02:49.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | pistorexDD, realvnc? that's not a debian package |
| 02:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's several vnc servers packaged, though |
| 02:50.08 | pistorexDD | CutMeOwnThroat: yes realVnc |
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| 02:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache search "vnc server" |
| 02:50.29 | dominicus | Is there a flash player plugin for iceweasel that doesn't run cpu utilization through the rough when watching flash based videos? |
| 02:50.39 | dominicus | *through the roof |
| 02:50.40 | pistorexDD | CutMeOwnThroat omg nice ! |
| 02:50.40 | joesmoje | dominicus: no |
| 02:51.19 | dominicus | joesmoje: You have to be kidding. |
| 02:51.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | pistorexDD, vnc4server is not in that list, but that might be what you want... |
| 02:51.32 | joesmoje | dominicus: no. that's flash for you. thus the need for html5 |
| 02:53.22 | dominicus | joesmoje: No No. On Debian using the flashplugin-nonfree results in up to 138% cpu utilization on my HyperThreaded Pentium 4 processor. Flash doesn't behave that way in Windows. |
| 02:54.15 | joesmoje | dominicus: what's your point? i can run aol on windows, but not on linux. so what? |
| 02:54.31 | joesmoje | joesmoje: what does one have to do with the other? |
| 02:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, is there a flash player 9 plugin around already? |
| 02:55.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:55.30 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.6 sid/contrib: 1:2.7 |
| 02:55.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-/ |
| 02:55.44 | dominicus | joesmoje: My point is that you're writing off the perfomance of a commercial plugin for one platform over another, and that I should just give up and switch to html5 (which obviously doesn't have the penetration rates that flash does). |
| 02:56.16 | joesmoje | dominicus: no. flash relies heavily on hardware acceleration. on linux, if you're using gpl drivers, that probably doesnt exist |
| 02:56.55 | dominicus | joesmoje: How would I know if i was using GPL drivers? |
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| 02:57.05 | joesmoje | dominicus: if you dont know, then you are. |
| 02:57.18 | pistorexDD | CutMeOwnThroat: i love you vnc4server its works :) |
| 02:57.18 | joesmoje | using non-gpl drivers takes action and nohow |
| 02:57.24 | joesmoje | knowhow* |
| 02:57.26 | pistorexDD | Thanks for all people :) |
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| 02:57.33 | dominicus | joesmoje: Well, I'm using the nvidia binary based video drivers currently. |
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| 02:58.03 | joesmoje | dominicus: and did you disable the radeonfb kernel module ? |
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| 02:58.45 | f2345_ | do any distrib has 4.3 available ? |
| 02:59.06 | joesmoje | f2345_: have you tried your mom's? |
| 02:59.15 | joesmoje | 4.3 what? wtf |
| 02:59.20 | cantido | f2345_: kde? |
| 02:59.27 | f2345_ | cantido, yep |
| 02:59.32 | cantido | joesmoje: what you said makes less sense than what he said heh |
| 02:59.37 | f2345_ | joesmoje, kde 4.3 |
| 02:59.42 | dominicus | joesmoje: No, but it's not currently loaded when I run a "lsmod |grep fb". I don't even get a result for any lines containing "fb". |
| 02:59.56 | cantido | f2345_: it's not in sid yet.. maybe its in experimental, not sure |
| 03:00.15 | f2345_ | cantido, kubuntu ?? |
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| 03:00.28 | abrotman | f2345_: ask them |
| 03:00.29 | joesmoje | f2345_: why dont you ask #ubuntu ? |
| 03:00.29 | cantido | f2345_: don't know, that's not supported here |
| 03:00.48 | f2345_ | joesmoje, i go, have a look |
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| 03:01.17 | joesmoje | it's in portage...but i dont suppose you'd be running gentoo |
| 03:01.57 | f2345_ | kde seem so much out of date on debian.. and you got to mix .. stable/unstable/testing and more.; to get somethign better.. well.. that is a job with no pay, so no reason to be critical about |
| 03:02.27 | joesmoje | i miss the days when debian didnt even have kde |
| 03:02.38 | cantido | f2345_: stable will be out of date, yes |
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| 03:02.46 | cantido | f2345_: that's because it doesn't change |
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| 03:03.36 | joesmoje | hugs slink |
| 03:03.53 | flourish | a fool question. When apache start/stop/restart, which file will the log write in? |
| 03:04.17 | cantido | flourish: /var/log/apache/error.log I think |
| 03:04.26 | cantido | flourish: apache2 even |
| 03:04.30 | f2345_ | what do people use usually as desktop on debian ? gnome, fluxbox, wmaker, kde 3.5.. 4.. something ? |
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| 03:04.49 | KidneyBeanstalk | i think debian is so big its probably all of the above |
| 03:04.50 | cantido | popcon probably knows |
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| 03:05.26 | flourish | cantido: why error log ? |
| 03:05.30 | flourish | cantido: stranger |
| 03:05.42 | dominicus | flourish: Yup. /var/log/apache2/ for apache2. |
| 03:05.47 | f2345_ | do you use virtualboxes ?? |
| 03:05.53 | cantido | flourish: well, accesses go to the access log, everything else error log I think |
| 03:06.22 | dominicus | flourish: just go to your /var/log, and "ls -ld apache*". You'll see the directory you want. |
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| 03:10.22 | flourish | thanks all |
| 03:11.16 | dominicus | flourish: What cantido said. =) |
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| 03:13.24 | f2345_ | heard of any failure of ext4 and easy recovery ? |
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| 03:15.06 | flourish | b.t.w for ssd, which filesystem should be use |
| 03:15.08 | flourish | b.t.w for ssd, which filesystem should be used |
| 03:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | fat? |
| 03:18.31 | liable | only slightly obese, thank you very much |
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| 03:19.39 | cantido | flourish: read-only? |
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| 03:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're welcome |
| 03:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | saussage inna bun? |
| 03:20.51 | liable | hotdog! nom nom nom |
| 03:22.56 | flourish | cantido: no, for normal user |
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| 03:23.43 | cantido | flourish: ext2 or ext3 with the journal turned off will be ok |
| 03:24.19 | nachos | with squid i want to set it up to cache php pages but then the problem arises of getting squid to fetch fresh pages when the site has new content... how does this usally work with dynamic pages? |
| 03:24.23 | nachos | im using lenny |
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| 03:24.44 | cantido | nachos: are you caching to speed a site up? |
| 03:24.51 | nachos | yes cantido |
| 03:24.57 | flourish | cantido: the partitions are all ext3, if i want to turn of the journal, does it mean i just mount the partitions with ext2 flag |
| 03:24.59 | nachos | reverse proxy/acceleration |
| 03:25.01 | flourish | ? |
| 03:25.08 | cantido | nachos: why not use a php cacher |
| 03:25.26 | nachos | cantido: *shrugs i want to use squid |
| 03:25.30 | nachos | cantido: get some experience with it |
| 03:25.34 | cantido | nachos: anyhow, there are usually http headers to tell a cache that it needs to update it's copy of a file |
| 03:25.37 | nachos | ill probably use Perl instead of PHP anyway. |
| 03:25.46 | nachos | oh ok |
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| 03:26.37 | nsadmin | nachos: sometimes what a page returns is not dependent on the input (whatever.php?p1=3&p2=2 might not return 5) |
| 03:26.52 | nachos | yeah thats what i mean |
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| 03:27.02 | f2345_ | flourish, i think that is the way to go |
| 03:27.08 | cantido | nachos: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html -- check the HEAD section |
| 03:27.20 | f2345_ | flourish, but you can use tune2fs too |
| 03:27.20 | nsadmin | and it might not always return the same thing even if the inputs are the same |
| 03:27.45 | nachos | brb |
| 03:28.13 | flourish | f2345_: i modify the fstab file to change ext3 to ext2:-) thanks |
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| 03:29.17 | cantido | flourish: the controllers in ssd's are designed to negate wear etc some I'm not sure it's as bad as everyone makes out |
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| 03:30.01 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: popeye version: you think therefore you yam |
| 03:30.18 | nsadmin | sorry, EWin |
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| 03:31.16 | cantido | flourish: s/etc some/etc so/ |
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| 03:31.41 | Evet | My kernel is 2.6.26-2-amd64, it means im using amd64 cpu? |
| 03:31.59 | cantido | Evet: if you've managed to boot it, yes you have an amd64 |
| 03:32.26 | Evet | cantido, how can I learn my computer's features |
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| 03:32.49 | cantido | Evet: cat /proc/cpuinfo .. dmesg | more |
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| 03:32.53 | cantido | Evet: lspci |
| 03:33.22 | cantido | there is a tool called sysinfo or something that generates reports too |
| 03:33.35 | Evet | it says permission denied |
| 03:33.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !whats my hardware |
| 03:34.00 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
| 03:34.17 | cantido | oooh, shiny! |
| 03:34.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
| 03:35.01 | Evet | cantido, it says "model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz" |
| 03:35.07 | Evet | so why im using amd64 kernel? |
| 03:35.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !amd64 |
| 03:35.14 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
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| 03:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf, wrong factoid |
| 03:35.30 | cantido | Evet: amd brought out their 64bit stuff before intel, so it became amd64 |
| 03:35.45 | cantido | Evet: intel has "EMT64", basically the same thing |
| 03:36.01 | Evet | i see |
| 03:36.04 | Evet | thanks, cantido |
| 03:36.35 | Evet | so, i can continue to use amd64 kernel |
| 03:36.41 | cantido | yeah |
| 03:36.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, intel had the ia64 italium stuff, but that kind of flopped |
| 03:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | because it didn't have the same backward compatibility as the amd64 stuff |
| 03:37.19 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: I meant in the x86 world :) |
| 03:37.34 | cantido | hppa was 64bit ages ago, sparc, ppc.. |
| 03:37.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | so they had to row back and provide something similar |
| 03:37.54 | cantido | oh, mips too |
| 03:38.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, well, ia64 was supposed to replace x86 |
| 03:38.21 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: really? I thought it was mean to a HPC arch from the get go |
| 03:38.29 | cantido | s/to/to be/ |
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| 03:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's how I remember it |
| 03:41.39 | cantido | I remember loads of gamers buying athlon 64 hardware only to realise they didn't have an os |
| 03:42.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | intel tried to hype the italium as its 64bit processor, while amd made the athlon which could still run the old 32bit stuff |
| 03:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and because that meant all your windows users so carefully collected warez would still able to somewhat run |
| 03:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 03:43.37 | KidneyBeanstalk | How can you change the window manager from the default 'gnome' to kde? |
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| 03:45.00 | nsadmin | gnome and kde are not window managers... and they;re also both big, lotsa packages |
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| 03:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | KidneyBeanstalk, install it? |
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| 03:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | kdm/gdm/xdm should let you choose the DE/WM |
| 03:46.28 | usb_user | Package configuration wants to know if I want dash to be the default shell... do I? |
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| 03:46.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | how should WE know? |
| 03:47.04 | nsadmin | dunno :) do you like dash better than bash? |
| 03:47.18 | usb_user | I've only heard of dash once before |
| 03:47.26 | nsadmin | or better than some other shell? |
| 03:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do you install it then? |
| 03:47.35 | usb_user | I just did aptitude full-upgrade |
| 03:47.43 | usb_user | and I guess it was in the list |
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| 03:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably not, then |
| 03:47.59 | nsadmin | in any case seems like it;s installed |
| 03:48.15 | nsadmin | so you can play with it later any time you want |
| 03:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | try aptitude why dash |
| 03:48.33 | usb_user | yeah, I don't know what required it |
| 03:48.37 | usb_user | I guess that will tell me |
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| 03:48.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | initrd-tools need it |
| 03:48.58 | usb_user | that would do it |
| 03:49.06 | nsadmin | initrd-tools? howcome? |
| 03:49.20 | usb_user | # aptitude why dash |
| 03:49.20 | usb_user | i bash Depends dash |
| 03:49.34 | usb_user | so bash needs another shell? |
| 03:49.52 | nsadmin | desperately... |
| 03:50.21 | nsadmin | as their clis intertwine, their energy increases as their breath quickens... |
| 03:50.52 | nsadmin | you're right, that's stupid... |
| 03:51.01 | nsadmin | why would bash need dash? |
| 03:51.04 | usb_user | no idea |
| 03:51.19 | usb_user | unless aptitude is a liar |
| 03:51.37 | nsadmin | it would be in the package debian/control file |
| 03:52.01 | nsadmin | if bash does the depending, then it's bash's debian/control file |
| 03:52.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | bash depends dash?! |
| 03:52.10 | usb_user | maybe I should have gone with the safe-upgrade |
| 03:52.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | NOT my bash |
| 03:52.15 | usb_user | So it says |
| 03:52.20 | usb_user | are you on testing? |
| 03:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, actually it does |
| 03:52.28 | nsadmin | !depends bash |
| 03:52.59 | dpkg | bash: pre-depends on libc6 (>= 2.4), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3) |
| 03:54.09 | nsadmin | dpkg, more |
| 03:54.09 | dpkg | [more] a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to less, but only allows forward navigation through the file (although newer implementations of more do allow for limited backward movement). See also <less>. |
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| 03:54.17 | usb_user | well http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg672206.html |
| 03:54.32 | usb_user | I guess that sums it up |
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| 03:55.29 | usb_user | So maybe I should make it the default, I heard it was faster... |
| 03:55.34 | usb_user | is confused |
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| 03:55.49 | crazy2k | I have two versions of python-wxgtk installed. How do I choose which one I want to use? |
| 03:56.31 | Evet | Which virtualization software do you suggest? |
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| 03:56.56 | cantido | Evet: for desktop use? |
| 03:57.02 | usb_user | Evet, I like virtualbox for desktop |
| 03:57.29 | Evet | cantido, usb_user for server |
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| 03:58.06 | usb_user | Evet, though no formal experience, I would gess Xen. I'm too distracted by c++ to read how to set it up though |
| 03:58.12 | cantido | Evet: what is the goal? are you going to be hosting a bunch of debian environments? a mix of linux's, windows maybe? |
| 03:58.58 | Evet | cantido, i want to set up virtual machines on my linux server |
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| 03:59.13 | cantido | Evet: "there are many ways to skin a cat" |
| 04:00.24 | cantido | Evet: if you want to just virtualize linux you can use something like vserver, openvz,.. if you need to virtualize the whole machine to run windows or something you can use xen, vmware, kvm, virtualbox.. about a million other packages |
| 04:00.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.52 | crazy2k | I have two versions of python-wxgtk installed (actually, they're two different packages: python-gtk2.6 and python-gtk2.8). How do I choose which one I want to use? |
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| 04:01.13 | Evet | cantido, whole virtualization needs more resource, right? |
| 04:01.27 | cantido | was subjected to watching a video of a cat being boiled in oil and then dipped in icecold water in "Religous Education" at school :/ |
| 04:01.32 | cantido | Evet: bingo |
| 04:02.17 | cantido | Evet: with vserver and I think openvz all of you apps have the ability to use all of the ram in the machine if they want, things like that |
| 04:05.51 | Evet | cantido, is it safe? |
| 04:06.06 | cantido | Evet: in what way? |
| 04:06.31 | Evet | mutual kernel |
| 04:06.46 | cantido | should be as safe as a hypervisor |
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| 04:07.36 | Evet | cantido, today i tried to install virtualization softwares for 20 times |
| 04:07.44 | Evet | i install packages, then reboot |
| 04:07.50 | Evet | but kernel doesnt changed |
| 04:07.59 | cantido | Evet: xen? |
| 04:08.19 | Evet | cantido, xen, vserver, openvz, virtual box |
| 04:08.49 | cantido | virtual box doesnt need a different kernel,.. the rest, well did you do update-grub? |
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| 04:09.05 | usb_user | virtualbox just needs the module |
| 04:09.25 | Evet | cantido, i need to update grub? |
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| 04:15.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, what did they try to teach you with that? "cruelty to animals is good"? |
| 04:15.22 | Evet | yes |
| 04:15.25 | Evet | it works |
| 04:15.32 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: Chinese people == bad or something |
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| 04:18.12 | KidneyBeanstalk | erm |
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| 04:24.49 | Evet | cantido, it looks i cant restrict resource usage with vserver |
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| 04:25.49 | cantido | Evet: you can, you need to read the docs |
| 04:26.02 | Evet | okay |
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| 04:29.52 | maxagaz | how to comment a line in/etc/group ? |
| 04:30.38 | martian67 | # |
| 04:30.41 | martian67 | in front |
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| 04:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sure you can comment in there? |
| 04:32.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | "man group" would mention it, I think |
| 04:32.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't have comments in passwd/shadow either |
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| 04:48.35 | sanmarcos | JordiGH: set DISPLAY variable |
| 04:48.41 | sanmarcos | kill and restart as usual |
| 04:48.44 | JordiGH | sanmarcos: Ah, figured it out. |
| 04:49.01 | JordiGH | sanmarcos: :0.0 means the first display... right? |
| 04:49.13 | sanmarcos | !display |
| 04:49.40 | sanmarcos | yes I guess |
| 04:50.16 | JordiGH | Okay, got it working. |
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| 05:06.30 | KidneyBeanstalk | anybody know where to get the kde4.3 debs? |
| 05:07.05 | craigevil | KidneyBeanstalk: most of kde4.3 is in unstable |
| 05:07.18 | KidneyBeanstalk | i couldnt find it on their ftp site |
| 05:07.21 | KidneyBeanstalk | can you gimme a link? |
| 05:07.43 | craigevil | its in debian unstable repo |
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| 05:08.20 | KidneyBeanstalk | how do you access that? |
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| 05:09.12 | craigevil | if your running lenny you dont unless you want to backport all the kde4.3 packages yourself |
| 05:09.13 | stanley_ | Hey all... I'm rather new to Linux (using Ubuntu for the last couple months) and am thinking about trying out Debian .... Is it "noob friendly"? How is it with hardware recognition? |
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| 05:09.52 | KidneyBeanstalk | dude its probably better than ubuntu |
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| 05:10.10 | KidneyBeanstalk | ubuntu is just debian with a stupid splash screen and rebranding. tada. |
| 05:10.24 | stanley_ | well then.. |
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| 05:10.42 | stanley_ | I'll start downloading then :) |
| 05:11.06 | KidneyBeanstalk | hardware support is pretty much the same for all dists |
| 05:12.11 | KidneyBeanstalk | and the user friendlyness actually is handelled by other projects like KDE that most dists use anyway! |
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| 05:14.20 | sanmarcos | indep binary is an archticture independent binary |
| 05:14.24 | sanmarcos | such as a python program? |
| 05:14.26 | craigevil | stanley_: the only real difference is ubuntu comes with a lot of drivers debian considers non-free that you might have to install yourself |
| 05:14.35 | sanmarcos | KidneyBeanstalk: they use different software |
| 05:14.50 | sanmarcos | KidneyBeanstalk: postfix, dovecot, their own launch daemon based on launchd |
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| 05:17.04 | stanley_ | I'm assuming that if I don't know if i need the DVD image or additional CD images then I probably don't ? |
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| 05:17.18 | flourish | hello, as i know in bash $? keep the exit status of a cmd or a script. but for a bash script, when the $? is not 0, how can i know the last cmd it execute? |
| 05:18.27 | sanmarcos | flourish: #bash |
| 05:18.38 | sanmarcos | stanley_: you really dont need much more than the first image |
| 05:19.09 | overclucker | I am setting up a server, lenny, and need access t osome packages that arent in my sources.list. mainly i need sudo. my sources.list only contains a few lines. where can i get an example sources.list? |
| 05:19.27 | sanmarcos | overclucker: sudo is in lenny |
| 05:19.42 | sanmarcos | overclucker: there is an example installed |
| 05:19.53 | craigevil | overclucker: pastebin your sources.list, chances are you dont have the lenny repo line just security and maybe volatile |
| 05:20.02 | overclucker | ok |
| 05:20.17 | sanmarcos | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.40 | overclucker | http://pastebin.com/m222428bf |
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| 05:22.11 | edgardoweb | hi |
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| 05:25.19 | overclucker | ok, i got it |
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| 05:25.29 | overclucker | use what was in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 05:25.34 | nachos | what is the reccomended name ( dns ) server to use with debian? |
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| 05:32.18 | nsadmin | nachos depends on your purpose |
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| 05:34.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | overclucker, ha, you're missing the main repository... but you have volatile, which you probably don't need |
| 05:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sources.list |
| 05:35.02 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 05:43.26 | sanmarcos | any debian packagers here to help me with an issue? |
| 05:43.38 | sanmarcos | I don't need a build for my program, its an interpreted program, python script |
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| 05:43.56 | sanmarcos | but debian requires a 'build' in debian/rules, what should I put in there? |
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| 05:48.15 | macrobat | what is the best way to see what pkg or pkgs are keeping the others from updating? |
| 05:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude why-not package? |
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| 05:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !mg |
| 05:49.40 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) "www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 05:50.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | sanmarcos, you can also /msg dpkg XXX for the <XXX> in brackets |
| 05:50.24 | sanmarcos | what? |
| 05:50.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^^^ |
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| 05:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could also look at 'picard' - I think that's just python? |
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| 05:51.26 | overclucker | what is the debian desktop package called? |
| 05:51.43 | macrobat | desktop? |
| 05:51.57 | overclucker | for a server install |
| 05:52.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a desktop package |
| 05:52.02 | sanmarcos | CutMeOwnThroat: CAPTAIN JEAN LUC PICARD OF THE U-S-S ENTERPRISE |
| 05:52.06 | sanmarcos | make it so! |
| 05:52.25 | sanmarcos | this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo |
| 05:52.39 | overclucker | are you baiting me CutMeOwnThroat? haha |
| 05:52.53 | craigevil | overclucker: what desktop? gnome? kde? xfce? lxde? |
| 05:53.09 | overclucker | me thinks xfce |
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| 05:53.15 | macrobat | xfdesktop4 |
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| 05:53.36 | macrobat | but i dont know what you mean :) |
| 05:53.48 | craigevil | aptitude install xfce4 |
| 05:54.27 | overclucker | cool |
| 05:55.18 | macrobat | aptitude search xfce and you might find additional goodies |
| 05:55.18 | overclucker | cause i need t omake this server usable for my more visually oriented boss |
| 05:55.22 | sanmarcos | CutMeOwnThroat: nmg does nothing, it says nothing about bypassing build |
| 05:55.38 | overclucker | not sure how to explin to him that he doesn't get the root account |
| 05:56.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | sanmarcos, or possibly 'archmbox' - that's written in perl... apt-get build-dep <package>; apt-get -b source <package> will build it for yuo |
| 05:57.11 | sanmarcos | CutMeOwnThroat: you really dont understand |
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| 05:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I do |
| 05:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm suggesting you look at packages that are similar |
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| 05:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | archmbox is actually a single file with a perlscript in it |
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| 05:59.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | g'night |
| 06:00.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, if you're making this package just for yourself, you can probably use checkinstall to do it for you |
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| 06:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no need for a source package |
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| 06:01.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | something like "checkinstall cp script* /to/new/place" would do that |
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| 06:28.31 | alsd | hi there |
| 06:28.46 | stanley_ | I'm setting up a dual boot with debian, just trying to partition my free space for the debian install (windows is already on the hd on a different partition) and just looking to know what partitions to setup. Normally I know i'd setup a 500MB swap, 500MB boot, and the rest for root ?? |
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| 06:31.55 | Mike | I tried to install xine in debian... But it shown error (Gcc----no, CC-----no) can anyone help me |
| 06:32.22 | alsd | i'm having trouble recording sound from my soundcard using audacity, with ALSA-based hardware : sound is playing on deezer (http://deezer.com) through the (non-free -- vrms isn't happy, but heh) flash player using ALSA output. When I try to monitor output in audacity, the interface freezes, strace(1) reports : "open("/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p", O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK) = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)" |
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| 06:33.38 | alsd | so i'm wondering, as this setup worked like a charm on ubuntu 8.04 LTS at my dad's computer, why it's not working here. using debian lenny, audacity, midori (webkit-based WWW browser) backported from sid, non-free flash 10. |
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| 06:35.30 | Mike__ | HI ... I tried to install xine... but i got error(GCC---no and CC---no) can anyone help me |
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| 06:38.28 | sanmarcos | MikeH: sudo apt-get install build-essential |
| 06:38.33 | sanmarcos | OMELETTE DU FROMAGE |
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| 06:42.21 | alsd | hands sanmarcos a little omelette au chevre |
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| 06:44.11 | macrobat | does audacity work with alsa-oss? |
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| 06:45.10 | macrobat | idk, i remember years ago i couldnt get audacity to work w alsa |
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| 06:46.16 | P_Kable | Hello |
| 06:46.40 | P_Kable | Can someone briefly explain me what jboss is please ? |
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| 06:47.21 | fireba11 | P_Kable: a free java application server |
| 06:47.39 | alsd | macrobat: i'm getting it to work right now with snd-pcm-oss kernel driver, using OSS in audacity. but still, one way or the other, the ubuntu guys did get it to work, as with my dad's 8.04 LTS, audacity works with alsa |
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| 06:48.29 | P_Kable | fireba11=> thanks a lot. Do you know if it's a pain to install, setup & use ? |
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| 06:48.42 | alsd | macrobat: as long as one kills the ugly pulseaudio daemon, that is... *grin* |
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| 06:49.04 | fireba11 | P_Kable: it's actually really easy and well documentet. even more if compared to other java application servers like websphere :-) |
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| 06:49.24 | P_Kable | fireba11=> thanks, really :D |
| 06:49.26 | macrobat | i think ubu put pulseaudio in after 8.04 |
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| 06:50.10 | alsd | macrobat: dunno, only thing I know is that after applying updates to a fresh from disc 8.04, pulseaudio sits there in the background |
| 06:50.23 | alsd | macrobat: and interferes badly with the non-free flash plugin |
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| 06:50.35 | rump | You can get it in www.jboss.org/help |
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| 06:51.10 | alsd | macrobat: but i'm not that much interrested in ubuntu crap, for that matter. only interresting thing is, it's possible, as they managed to have it working |
| 06:52.29 | macrobat | ok :) |
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| 06:55.32 | rump | Someone here asked about jboss????? |
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| 07:00.43 | Kyrterz | hi |
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| 07:01.05 | Kyrterz | i'm on debian.. how can i set login with ftp user/pass only goes to their own directory ? |
| 07:01.11 | maxagaz | i'm trying again to have an application (sok onboard) open on top of firefox in full screen mode, how to do it on gnome |
| 07:01.24 | maxagaz | i tried devilspie, but it can't do that |
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| 07:04.38 | stanley_ | I just finished installing debian as a dual boot and now when I reboot it just says "Missing Operating System" .. |
| 07:05.23 | macrobat | Kyrterz: i dont know exactly what you mean, maybe ACL access control list is what you want |
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| 07:06.36 | macrobat | stanley_: no grub menu? I think you can reinstall grub with the installer in rescue mode |
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| 07:07.24 | stanley_ | okay |
| 07:07.32 | stanley_ | i already deleted the partitions and am going to reinstall |
| 07:07.52 | stanley_ | i think it messed up becuase i had second hard drive plugged in that had a windows installation as well |
| 07:07.56 | macrobat | ok :) that is the last resort :) |
| 07:08.52 | stanley_ | haha, it was my first resort :( |
| 07:09.08 | macrobat | you might get problems when you install with only one hdd plugged in and then plug the second |
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| 07:09.21 | stanley_ | Yea, the second is being pulled permanently though |
| 07:09.30 | stanley_ | It's just my backup installation incase something goes wrong |
| 07:09.37 | macrobat | ok |
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| 07:09.55 | stanley_ | however |
| 07:10.11 | stanley_ | could use some help setting up my partitions |
| 07:10.15 | stanley_ | if you're familiar |
| 07:10.20 | barabas00 | hello |
| 07:10.44 | macrobat | ok, are you setting up dual boot win/debian? |
| 07:10.50 | stanley_ | yea, windows 7 and debian |
| 07:11.05 | stanley_ | windows 7 is already installed on a partition, then i left 100GB of free unallocated space for debian |
| 07:11.12 | macrobat | how large hdd? how much RAM? |
| 07:11.20 | macrobat | ah, ok |
| 07:11.30 | stanley_ | 640GB HD (596 visible) |
| 07:11.31 | stanley_ | and 8GB of ram |
| 07:11.36 | macrobat | wow |
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| 07:11.58 | stanley_ | yea..hardware hobbiest.. |
| 07:12.44 | macrobat | a traditional partitioning scheme is | win | swap | slash | home| |
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| 07:14.34 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.15 | stanley_ | http://pastebin.com/mb225545 |
| 07:15.18 | macrobat | idk about swap when you have that much ram, maybe a GB just for fun |
| 07:15.19 | stanley_ | that's my current layout |
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| 07:17.17 | stanley_ | so going through it manually |
| 07:17.39 | macrobat | you have 2 ntfs partitions, that means you can have 2 additional primary partitions |
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| 07:18.12 | macrobat | your doing the partitioning in the installer? |
| 07:18.19 | stanley_ | yea |
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| 07:18.39 | stanley_ | is that bad ? |
| 07:18.40 | diddy | What exactly is the difference between apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean. I read the man but I don't understand. |
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| 07:19.06 | macrobat | its fine |
| 07:19.33 | cantido | diddy: not sure if I'm right, I thought it was something like clean removes the whole cache, autoclean just removes the bits that are out of date |
| 07:19.48 | diddy | cantido, yes but why? |
| 07:20.03 | stanley_ | diddy: autoclean |
| 07:20.03 | stanley_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.18 | cantido | diddy: you may still want to install the stuff thats up to date |
| 07:20.30 | macrobat | first you make a "/" partition, make it ext3, idk 20-25 gb is more than enough |
| 07:21.30 | diddy | stanley_, ahh. Now I understand. Thank you! |
| 07:22.02 | stanley_ | macrobat: primary or logical? |
| 07:22.08 | macrobat | ignore the "set bootable" flag, you dont need it. reserved blocks, idk set it at 1% perhaps |
| 07:22.22 | macrobat | primary |
| 07:22.38 | macrobat | mount point is / |
| 07:22.47 | cantido | didn't realise that you *have* to use cpufreq to stop recent laptops from melting :/ |
| 07:23.03 | nevyn_ | yes you... |
| 07:23.06 | stanley_ | macrobat: location for the new partition is beginning ? |
| 07:23.15 | macrobat | yes |
| 07:23.18 | diddy | Is taskselect not supported any longer in Debian 5.02 ? |
| 07:23.23 | macrobat | doesnt matter :) |
| 07:24.03 | diddy | Never mind. |
| 07:24.07 | diddy | Found it |
| 07:24.15 | stanley_ | macrobat: so, i made it 30GB, primary, ext3, mount point is /, mount options are defaults, label is none, reserved blocks is 1%, typlical useage is standard, and bootable flag is off |
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| 07:25.06 | macrobat | see if you can set mount options defaults,noatime to speed things up |
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| 07:25.30 | stanley_ | yea that optiosn there |
| 07:25.44 | macrobat | noatime means that debian wont write access times to your files when they are read |
| 07:25.51 | stanley_ | kk |
| 07:26.18 | stanley_ | so now it has |
| 07:26.33 | stanley_ | > #3 primary 30GB f ext3 / |
| 07:26.57 | macrobat | i would go with no swap partition and make a swap file later, anyone have an opinion about that? |
| 07:27.31 | stanley_ | is there an advantage to that? |
| 07:27.34 | macrobat | the rest of the hdd is for the /home partition |
| 07:27.48 | stanley_ | also with oubuntu i need to create a boot partition, is that the same as now? |
| 07:28.00 | stanley_ | er, same with debian* |
| 07:28.26 | macrobat | you could have a small /boot to have kernels in |
| 07:28.49 | stanley_ | is there an advatnage to sepearting / and home ? |
| 07:29.32 | macrobat | easier to maintain and back up |
| 07:29.46 | stanley_ | k |
| 07:30.17 | macrobat | easier to install something completely differen later |
| 07:30.17 | ONE_PATE | can someone saz wich language thsio is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghnS0tYFL7Q |
| 07:30.52 | macrobat | bulgarian? |
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| 07:30.56 | macrobat | idk |
| 07:31.01 | stanley_ | so should i setup a swap |
| 07:31.02 | stanley_ | or no? |
| 07:31.34 | macrobat | ok, set up 1 gb swap |
| 07:31.38 | stanley_ | as primary? |
| 07:31.48 | macrobat | but im not sure about the size |
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| 07:32.02 | stanley_ | primary or logical?> |
| 07:32.04 | macrobat | that could be logical |
| 07:32.08 | stanley_ | kk |
| 07:32.14 | macrobat | i would make a /home first |
| 07:32.15 | ONE_PATE | kk mazbe. llike rusian. |
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| 07:33.14 | stanley_ | noooo |
| 07:33.15 | stanley_ | wtttfff |
| 07:33.17 | stanley_ | it did it again |
| 07:33.23 | macrobat | make a primary /home, but save 1 gb for swap at the end |
| 07:33.29 | stanley_ | randomly reboots this section of the installer |
| 07:33.35 | macrobat | installer crashed? |
| 07:33.37 | stanley_ | and freezes midway on "Starting up the partitioner" |
| 07:33.39 | stanley_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.43 | stanley_ | 3rd time this has happened |
| 07:33.55 | macrobat | you have a bad copy? |
| 07:34.07 | stanley_ | i don't thin kso it chceked out okay |
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| 07:35.15 | macrobat | which one was it? netinstall? |
| 07:35.19 | stanley_ | cd1 |
| 07:35.22 | macrobat | ok |
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| 07:36.30 | stanley_ | so |
| 07:36.36 | stanley_ | my 30GB / stayed apparently |
| 07:36.49 | macrobat | ok :) |
| 07:36.55 | stanley_ | so i'll make 70 for home ? |
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| 07:37.03 | stanley_ | as primary or logical ? |
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| 07:37.17 | macrobat | 69 primary |
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| 07:37.27 | macrobat | save one gig for swap |
| 07:37.32 | stanley_ | well i have 74 total |
| 07:38.13 | macrobat | i'd say 1 gig for swap |
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| 07:38.26 | macrobat | things can be resized later |
| 07:38.26 | stanley_ | noatime option ? |
| 07:38.35 | macrobat | noatime on /home |
| 07:38.46 | stanley_ | kk |
| 07:38.48 | stanley_ | bootoption off |
| 07:38.49 | stanley_ | ext3 |
| 07:38.55 | macrobat | yes |
| 07:38.56 | stanley_ | and primary |
| 07:39.10 | macrobat | and i dont think you need reserved blocks |
| 07:39.24 | stanley_ | now it says the other 2.4GB is unusable |
| 07:39.32 | stanley_ | i'm assuming because i have 4 primary's |
| 07:39.37 | stanley_ | i neeed to delete one and create a logical |
| 07:39.39 | stanley_ | ? |
| 07:39.42 | macrobat | whats the channel opinion on reserved blocks? |
| 07:40.18 | stanley_ | can i delete the home and make a logical volume with the remaining space and then create home and swap in that logical ? |
| 07:40.24 | macrobat | oh, then i think /home will be logical |
| 07:40.57 | macrobat | idk how to do it in the installer.... |
| 07:41.27 | macrobat | logical/ primary isnt super important |
| 07:41.46 | stanley_ | swap can be logical too ? |
| 07:41.50 | macrobat | yes |
| 07:42.24 | stanley_ | swap needs to be primary i think |
| 07:42.28 | stanley_ | i don't have the mount point option for swap |
| 07:42.32 | stanley_ | when i make it logical |
| 07:42.46 | macrobat | there is no mount point |
| 07:42.51 | stanley_ | omg |
| 07:42.51 | macrobat | for swap |
| 07:42.59 | stanley_ | it crashed agin |
| 07:43.09 | stanley_ | :@ |
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| 07:48.31 | havoc_ | how to switch the encoding i use in kde from utf-8 to iso-8859-15 ? |
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| 07:51.18 | stanley_ | okay |
| 07:51.31 | stanley_ | i've had it up to about HERE so far |
| 07:51.48 | macrobat | idk why it crashes :( |
| 07:52.08 | stanley_ | it's frusterating as ever |
| 07:52.16 | stanley_ | i've been trying to install it for the last 2 hours |
| 07:52.23 | macrobat | havoc, edit /etc/locale.gen and run locale-gen |
| 07:52.49 | stanley_ | i have a 64bit intel |
| 07:52.57 | stanley_ | i download amd64 for the 64bit install |
| 07:52.58 | stanley_ | right ? |
| 07:53.01 | macrobat | yes |
| 07:54.22 | macrobat | so, setting up swap? |
| 07:54.48 | stanley_ | redownloading it again |
| 07:54.57 | stanley_ | it's crashed a dozen times |
| 07:55.15 | macrobat | there is the netinstall, smaller download |
| 07:55.55 | macrobat | and you verified the .iso and the burned cd? |
| 07:56.05 | macrobat | (im assuming cd) |
| 07:56.25 | stanley_ | the burning program auto verified |
| 07:56.43 | macrobat | ok |
| 07:57.09 | ribasushi | um... why is dash listed as a hard-dependency for bash? |
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| 07:58.32 | macrobat | dash is a true subset of bash so it saves space? :) idk |
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| 08:00.10 | runa_ | how can i upgrade everything except a certain package |
| 08:00.26 | macrobat | how can i cycle through windows in recently used order with alt tab in kde4? |
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| 08:00.48 | liable | runa_: put it on hold. /msg dpkg hold |
| 08:00.53 | macrobat | runa_: hold the pkg or pin it |
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| 08:03.30 | poppy_puffer | anyone had any luck getting everything working in debian on the acer aspire one d250? |
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| 08:03.46 | liable | !laptop |
| 08:03.46 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <suspend>. See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 08:04.01 | liable | poppy_puffer: ^^ check those places, or ask a specific question |
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| 08:05.21 | poppy_puffer | thx liable, right now i've got linux mint 7 install and can't get the front mic or the suspend on lid close to work and am trying to find a distro that might have these things working out of the box |
| 08:05.35 | stanley_ | macrobat: okay i have created my 30GB / |
| 08:05.39 | stanley_ | and 70GB /home |
| 08:05.46 | stanley_ | how do i create swap? |
| 08:05.58 | runa_ | how can i remove hold if one day... |
| 08:06.18 | runa_ | what is the normal status of a package? |
| 08:06.51 | macrobat | stanley_: you cant use the free space? |
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| 08:07.10 | stanley_ | macrobat: well what do i create with the free space? |
| 08:07.15 | stanley_ | 1GB logical |
| 08:07.26 | macrobat | take all that is left |
| 08:07.35 | stanley_ | but whats the mount point |
| 08:07.48 | macrobat | swap, use as swap, no mount |
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| 08:07.50 | stanley_ | nevermind i get it |
| 08:08.01 | macrobat | you can set labels too |
| 08:08.03 | stanley_ | so now i have |
| 08:08.12 | stanley_ | #3 primary 30GB F ext3 / |
| 08:08.21 | stanley_ | #5 logical 70GB f ext3 /home |
| 08:08.31 | stanley_ | #6 logical 1GB f swap swap |
| 08:09.10 | macrobat | good, you can have use of labels later |
| 08:09.24 | stanley_ | so thats all i need ? |
| 08:09.32 | macrobat | set / as slash /home as home asn swap as swap |
| 08:09.35 | macrobat | yes |
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| 08:10.17 | macrobat | label can be nice to have in the /etc/fstab file later on |
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| 08:11.09 | macrobat | before you reboot, i'd recommend grub-legacy over grub2 |
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| 08:11.32 | stanley_ | it's just installing the base system right now |
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| 08:13.40 | diddy | What are the optimal parameters to pass to apt-spy? Do I need anything else? apt-spy -a Europe -d stable |
| 08:13.46 | macrobat | runa_: a short and easy explanation of package states if you launch aptitude and press "?" |
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| 08:20.02 | g00se | Is there any way to view a file without touching it? |
| 08:20.28 | macrobat | idk, copy it w dd? |
| 08:21.15 | macrobat | maybe mount the partition with noatime option |
| 08:21.35 | runa_ | thanks macrobat |
| 08:21.35 | g00se | macrobat: I thought of dd - too hard and weird ;-) |
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| 08:23.00 | macrobat | great tut on dd http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/learn-the-dd-command-362506/ |
| 08:23.53 | g00se | macrobat: Oh yes, i know and love dd |
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| 08:25.03 | diddy | I just determined the fastest mirror but can really all mirrors be trusted? |
| 08:25.51 | diddy | Is it really impossible to tamper with contents of the mirror if the country is a police state? |
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| 08:26.07 | macrobat | i thought all mirrors were official? |
| 08:26.28 | g00se | Where do i need to put an xmodmap so it gets executed? |
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| 08:26.39 | tamiya | hey guys |
| 08:27.36 | tamiya | I have upgraded my Debian installation from Sarge or Woody to Lenny 5.0 |
| 08:27.53 | tamiya | After the upgrade it was still running kernel 2.4.x |
| 08:28.05 | diddy | macrobat, I want to download from UK servers but whenever I think of UK, I think of 1984, data retentions, cameras everywhere and police state. But it is the fastest mirror from my location. Can all mirrors really be trusted or do they have to conform to the legislature of a country? |
| 08:28.07 | tamiya | so then I upgraded the kernel to 2.6.x |
| 08:28.16 | tamiya | but now my system wont boot |
| 08:28.25 | azeem | tamiya: what is the error message? |
| 08:28.29 | tamiya | it say 'Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel' |
| 08:28.37 | tamiya | and it just stays there |
| 08:28.38 | macrobat | xmodmap is a command, you put "xmodmap .xmodmap" in your .xinitrc |
| 08:28.40 | azeem | tamiya: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 08:28.44 | tamiya | no |
| 08:28.47 | diddy | Encryption laws, hacker tools, etc |
| 08:28.50 | azeem | which kernel did you install? |
| 08:29.04 | tamiya | I did an apt-get or aptitude or something following a guide on the net |
| 08:29.10 | tamiya | let me check :) |
| 08:29.20 | g00se | macrobat: Yes but there can be xmodmap files that get executed |
| 08:29.24 | macrobat | idk about the subtleties of mirror policy, diddy |
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| 08:29.28 | tamiya | 2.6.18-6 (686) |
| 08:29.40 | diddy | macrobat, ? |
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| 08:29.53 | macrobat | im not sure diddy |
| 08:29.55 | diddy | MacGyverNL, ahh OK |
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| 08:30.02 | tamiya | i've tried the recovery mode too but that also doesnt work |
| 08:30.02 | diddy | macrobat, OK |
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| 08:30.23 | tamiya | Going to try the 2.4.x boot option now |
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| 08:30.58 | tamiya | yes! |
| 08:31.02 | tamiya | that boots! |
| 08:31.02 | azeem | tamiya: 2.6.18 is not a lenny kernel |
| 08:31.27 | tamiya | thats right |
| 08:31.39 | g00se | macrobat: /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc, which executes ~\.Xmodmap files is not executed in Debian |
| 08:31.40 | tamiya | i needed to upgrade to 2.6.x before i can continue with apt-get |
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| 08:32.04 | tamiya | sorry, i probably didn't finish the apt-get upgrade thingy |
| 08:32.24 | tamiya | it exited with a message saying i require 2.6 kernel |
| 08:32.46 | macrobat | g00se: does that mean you can't "xmodmap ~\.Xmodmap"? |
| 08:33.14 | moncky | I cant see an equivelent of rpm -q for dpk, apt et al, is there one? |
| 08:33.23 | tamiya | I'm in |
| 08:33.29 | tamiya | it works with 2.4 kernel now |
| 08:33.33 | macrobat | .xinitrc or .xsession, whichever is read |
| 08:33.46 | macrobat | what does rpm -q do? |
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| 08:33.55 | g00se | tamiya: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 08:34.06 | tamiya | lsb_release -a says i am on 4.0r8 etch |
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| 08:34.08 | g00se | (or whatever architecture) |
| 08:34.37 | g00se | tamiya: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 08:35.28 | moncky | macrobat: its a query so rpm -qa would list all the packages installed on the system |
| 08:35.58 | g00se | macrobat: I'm looking for something that's going to get executed. Maybe ~/.xmodmaprc |
| 08:36.01 | tamiya | 40 |
| 08:36.04 | tamiya | 4.0 |
| 08:36.08 | azeem | so etch |
| 08:36.10 | macrobat | aptitude search | grep ^i would do that, moncky |
| 08:36.32 | diddy | I only wany stable sources in my sources.list. Can I remove deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main from it? |
| 08:36.34 | azeem | macrobat: no it won't |
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| 08:36.45 | tamiya | how can i tell what bootloader i am using |
| 08:36.48 | tamiya | it looks like lilo |
| 08:36.50 | azeem | diddy: it's a stable thing |
| 08:36.53 | macrobat | it falls short, azeem? |
| 08:36.58 | azeem | macrobat: did you even try? |
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| 08:37.08 | moncky | macrobat: your character after grep was not displayed as it mean, was it a star? |
| 08:37.18 | azeem | moncky: no, a caret |
| 08:37.20 | azeem | ^ |
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| 08:37.31 | tamiya | there is no /etc/lilo.conf file |
| 08:37.52 | azeem | tamiya: lilo does not necessarily need a conf file |
| 08:37.59 | azeem | (once it is installed in the boot loader) |
| 08:38.06 | tamiya | i cant run lilo either |
| 08:38.11 | taiyedbrodel | where can I add exceptions to my firewall? since I cannot connect neither from frostwire nor gtk-gnutella |
| 08:38.11 | tamiya | its gotta be grub then? |
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| 08:38.51 | g00se | tamiya: Try test -f /boot/grub/menu.lst || echo "Not using Grub" |
| 08:39.16 | g00se | (not infallible, but a guide) |
| 08:39.29 | moncky | macrobat: azeem exellent thatnks |
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| 08:39.42 | superlinux | hi |
| 08:40.13 | diddy | Debian doesn't like my sources list anymore. Where did I f up? http://pastebin.com/m52bd7a81 |
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| 08:40.26 | tamiya | the response was 'not using grub' |
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| 08:40.53 | azeem | tamiya: in what state is your computer right now? |
| 08:41.01 | azeem | diddy: "doesn't like" is not an error description |
| 08:41.11 | diddy | azeem, malformed line one |
| 08:41.22 | azeem | !volatile |
| 08:41.22 | dpkg | well, volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 08:41.23 | macrobat | diddy: i dont know if you can mix http:// and ftp:// protocols |
| 08:41.33 | azeem | diddy: main/contrib/non-free missing |
| 08:41.47 | diddy | azeem, where? |
| 08:41.51 | azeem | in line 1 ? |
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| 08:41.57 | tamiya | its working with the 2.4 kernek |
| 08:41.59 | diddy | azeem, yes |
| 08:42.00 | tamiya | kernel |
| 08:42.01 | azeem | compare with what dpkg just wrote |
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| 08:42.07 | tamiya | i have network and internet connectivity |
| 08:42.43 | tamiya | I am runing Etch with 2.4 kernel |
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| 08:43.09 | superlinux | I want to ask about if anyone here has some experience with OOPS proxy server? is't real what they claim about the multi threaded connection? |
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| 08:43.53 | tamiya | Is there a way to upgrade the kernel easily with apt-get? |
| 08:44.26 | azeem | I thought you already upgraded your kernel? |
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| 08:46.17 | superlinux | thanks |
| 08:46.31 | superlinux | azeem, join us in #linuxac bro |
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| 08:48.07 | tamiya | no |
| 08:48.11 | tamiya | i'm still on 2.4.x |
| 08:48.24 | azeem | superlinux: stop spamming, please |
| 08:48.34 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:48.50 | azeem | tamiya: but you installed it and tried to boot it? |
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| 08:49.34 | runa_ | i want to hold all the texlive packages when i do dist-upgrade |
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| 08:50.20 | runa_ | but "echo texlive-full hold|dpkg --set-selections" does not resolve |
| 08:50.39 | tamiya | no, that was my old kernel |
| 08:50.57 | tamiya | the boot menu allowed me to boot the 2.4 kernel |
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| 08:52.48 | themill | runa_: "aptitude full-upgrade texlive:" (note the : at the end) should do it for you. But why are you trying to hold back texlive? |
| 08:53.18 | runa_ | because its too big |
| 08:53.26 | themill | too big to download? |
| 08:53.27 | runa_ | i want to upgrade the system first |
| 08:53.33 | runa_ | yes |
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| 08:53.56 | themill | runa_: that probably should be ~ntexlive: actually. |
| 08:54.02 | themill | needs coffee |
| 08:54.16 | runa_ | ok |
| 08:54.32 | themill | runa_: test it and see what it's planning to do |
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| 08:56.12 | azeem | tamiya: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 08:56.13 | runa_ | themill it does not work |
| 08:56.22 | tamiya | anyone runing Linux on a VIA cpu? |
| 08:56.25 | runa_ | *themill: |
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| 08:56.33 | tamiya | is better to choose '486' or '686' |
| 08:56.44 | azeem | depends on the cpu, obviously |
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| 08:57.16 | runa_ | apt-get dist-upgrade -ntexlive? |
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| 09:00.09 | runa_ | aptitude dist-upgrade -ntexlive does not work too |
| 09:00.47 | themill | runa_: "aptitude full-upgrade ~ntexlive:" works perfectly here |
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| 09:01.13 | runa_ | ok thanks i did not understand |
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| 09:01.30 | tamiya | yay! |
| 09:01.41 | tamiya | it looks like 2.6.20-486 kernel is booting!!! |
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| 09:02.33 | tamiya | what is the difference between 'aptitude full-upgrade' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 09:03.34 | macrobat | i think full-upgrade is the newer syntax, dist-upgrade is kept for backwards compatibility |
| 09:03.36 | themill | tamiya: aptitude is the preferred way of handling binary packages in debian now. /msg dpkg full-upgrade ; /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 09:03.50 | macrobat | ah, there is a difference? |
| 09:03.53 | runa_ | it was my fault i wrote - instead of ~. |
| 09:04.05 | runa_ | sorry bad resolution |
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| 09:05.00 | peleg | Hallo. I can't install imagemagick from aptitude, and I get this message: "E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/lcms/liblcms1_1.15-1.1+etch1_i386.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.20.6 80]" -- do you have any idea what can cause this? |
| 09:05.02 | tamiya | so 'apt-get' is no longer preferred way of installing apps? |
| 09:05.18 | Hardiel | hi |
| 09:05.54 | themill | judd versions liblcms1 |
| 09:05.54 | judd | themill: liblcms1 -- etch: 1.15-1 etch-security: 1.15-1.1+etch3 lenny: 1.17.dfsg-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 1.17.dfsg-1+lenny2 sid: 1.18.dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.18.dfsg-1 |
| 09:06.09 | themill | peleg: looks like an "aptitude update" is in order |
| 09:06.17 | peleg | aha :-) |
| 09:06.19 | peleg | thanks |
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| 09:29.50 | omid8bimo | http://100psequence.blogspot.com/2009/08/debconf9-to-debconf10.html |
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| 09:52.01 | sHyLoCk_ | !netinst |
| 09:52.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
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| 09:53.17 | sHyLoCk_ | is there business card images for testing ? |
| 09:53.24 | sHyLoCk_ | or just stable? |
| 09:53.38 | sHyLoCk_ | i meant netinst images* |
| 09:54.22 | themill | sHyLoCk_: the testing installer is frequently broken -- try the lenny installer and upgrade |
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| 09:55.01 | sHyLoCk_ | k, so i can install using the lenny installer and use sid testing to upgrade? |
| 09:55.15 | kyf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.46 | themill | kyf: wrong channel |
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| 09:55.46 | themill | sHyLoCk_: testing or testing then unstable. But if you had to ask, then you shouldn't go anywhere near sid. |
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| 09:56.11 | sHyLoCk_ | i just want to run debian sid instead of sidux |
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| 09:56.52 | illuminati | Does anyone here using Sawmill ? |
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| 10:05.53 | runa_ | themill: what about full-upgrading without several packages aptitude full-upgrade ~nfirst_pack: ~nsecond_pack: |
| 10:06.13 | runa_ | ??? |
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| 10:07.37 | themill | runa_: yeah, that will work. Note that ~nfirst will match all packages that start with first in their name so you need to be a little careful with that. You can also type :packagename at aptitude Y/n/q/? prompt when it asks you if you want to actually do this. If you're doing quite complex things, then using aptitudes interactive interface might be easier |
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| 10:20.43 | kcao | hi all,anybody knows the meaning of %T in "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T"? |
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| 10:22.20 | JoelR | hello i just installed debian lenny but it came with grub-pc. I need grub so i did an aptitude purge grub-pc and then an aptitude install grub; update-grub but after this, when i do a grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda it says me: The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 10:24.10 | themill | kcao: that will be context dependent... %T will have a meaning (probably the recipient's local account name) in whatever program you are configuring. |
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| 10:25.11 | kcao | themill, thx for replying. I found this in fetchmailrc - mda setting |
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| 10:26.00 | themill | kcao: check "man 1 fetchmailrc" then |
| 10:26.42 | kcao | themill, yes |
| 10:26.57 | JoelR | anyone? |
| 10:28.29 | kcao | themill, got it %T means "Local delivery addresses", thanks alot |
| 10:28.38 | themill | no worries |
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| 10:29.03 | superjoe | whatever happened to grip in squeeze? |
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| 10:30.53 | hark | removed |
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| 10:32.07 | themill | !dbugs 515887 |
| 10:32.12 | dpkg | DONE:#515887:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: grip -- RoM (); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:39:01 UTC [] |
| 10:32.13 | themill | superjoe: ^^ |
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| 10:32.51 | superjoe | the-dude: RM means removed? |
| 10:33.26 | themill | yes. See the bug log for more details |
| 10:33.36 | superjoe | ok thanks |
| 10:33.38 | ix | Anyone have an idea why I am presented with three different terminals inside the same framebuffer (i.e. the login prompt for tty1, tt2 and tty3 are printed on my screen) when I boot my diskless clients running debian etch? |
| 10:33.52 | ix | I tried replacing the inittab with a stock one, but that doesn't seem to affect the problem, and tty1, tty2 and tty3 have all different minor device numbers. |
| 10:33.55 | superjoe | asunder |
| 10:33.56 | superjoe | aha |
| 10:35.40 | macrobat | wow, ix i'd like to use my framebuffer like that :) |
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| 10:36.08 | ix | macrobat: Rargh, it makes input totally unusable :p |
| 10:36.30 | macrobat | idk, are you using qingy or something? |
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| 10:40.22 | ix | D'oh, it was actually the minor numbers all along. So much for bothering the internet. |
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| 10:43.12 | macrobat | the internet will simmer down now |
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| 10:49.01 | caraconan | Hi. I would like a sample like this (mine, but does'nt works fine): http://pastebin.com/m47b7f972 to: close all except certain services: 80 tcp, 21 tcp... I've got a Debian Squeeze. Some sample? Thanks |
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| 10:52.34 | the-dude | caraconan: check out shorewall |
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| 10:53.02 | caraconan | <the-dude> thanks. I've listened about. |
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| 10:55.38 | the-dude | caraconan: it comes with samples and is well documented |
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| 11:06.03 | themill | !ops abc is a repeat offender and is back |
| 11:06.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: abc is a repeat offender and is back |
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| 11:07.34 | KidneyBeanstalk | shhht |
| 11:07.37 | KidneyBeanstalk | just tell me |
| 11:07.42 | KidneyBeanstalk | how do you set up pppoe on debian? |
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| 11:08.21 | SlayerXP | KidneyBeanstalk: almost exactly the same way as you set up pppoe on any other distro. |
| 11:08.23 | avtobiff | conffiles? |
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| 11:12.02 | zhxk` | is there a way to boot into cli instead of gdm? |
| 11:12.30 | The_unamed | hm 894 people and only one talking |
| 11:13.01 | zhxk` | advice me, gentlemen |
| 11:13.08 | remur_030_v2 | zhxk`: remove gdm out of the rc2.d |
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| 11:14.04 | zhxk` | any alternative? how to make a menu let me have oppertunity choose between them? |
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| 11:14.55 | macrobat | i thought there was a menu item in gdm to use cli |
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| 11:15.24 | azeem | zhxk`: remove gdm |
| 11:15.33 | azeem | zhxk`: or remove the gdm startup link in /etc/rc2.d |
| 11:15.59 | zhxk` | then can only boot into gdm by manual type |
| 11:16.00 | zhxk` | ? |
| 11:16.08 | azeem | zhxk`: isn't that what you want? |
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| 11:16.27 | zhxk` | i want a menu, boot to cli, or boot to gdm |
| 11:16.43 | azeem | I don't know of such a menu |
| 11:16.52 | zhxk` | can make one? |
| 11:17.08 | macrobat | menu items in grub? |
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| 11:17.15 | azeem | you can maybe emulate it by defining different behaviour in different runlevels and specifically boot into them in grub |
| 11:17.15 | zhxk` | can pass sth to kernel from menu.list? |
| 11:17.30 | zhxk` | macrobat:that i'm seeking |
| 11:17.37 | macrobat | ok :) |
| 11:18.07 | zhxk` | azeem:make a rc3? |
| 11:18.14 | zhxk` | rc3.d? |
| 11:18.19 | azeem | why make it? |
| 11:18.21 | azeem | it is already there |
| 11:18.35 | zhxk` | move gdm to rc3.d? |
| 11:18.48 | azeem | zhxk`: best to read up on how to customize runlevels |
| 11:19.14 | zhxk` | best tell me exactly what to do |
| 11:19.21 | petemc | hah |
| 11:19.43 | remur_030_v2 | zhxk`: you sure you want to use debian? |
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| 11:19.55 | hatori | heya can i use fakeroot to do a make install without messing up system files? |
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| 11:20.25 | dokma | Hey guys. Is there any cmd line to print out the effective DNS servers being used atm? |
| 11:20.27 | macrobat | you can even make a deb file , hatori |
| 11:20.29 | zhxk` | remur_030_v2:sure |
| 11:20.40 | petemc | dokma: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:21.11 | remur_030_v2 | zhxk`: then read it up yourself, this is no hand holding here but getting people to be able to help themself |
| 11:21.21 | dokma | petemc: I've been messing with pdnsd and such so I am not sure if that is in effect. Is that 100% no matter what else was done? |
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| 11:21.44 | macrobat | hatori http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
| 11:21.59 | petemc | dokma: yes, dig will tell you which name servers it used too |
| 11:22.18 | dokma | petemc: ok, thank you |
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| 11:25.45 | mefiX | hi folks, i have a cronjob-issue: within a shell-script i am sending mails via sendmail (echo -e "Subject:...\nMSG" | sendmail $rcpt). Triggering the bash-skript manually just works fine, the mail is sent correctly. When i trigger the skript by cron, the mail isn't sent, what could cause this problem? |
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| 11:26.18 | SlayerXP | mefiX: most likely your PATH isn't including a directory that contains a binary you're trying to execute |
| 11:26.21 | abrotman | mefiX: full path to the binary? |
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| 11:26.55 | mefiX | the script itself is triggered (i can see that in the logs) but the mail isn't sent |
| 11:27.21 | mefiX | ... and i entered the full path to the script in the crontab |
| 11:27.39 | SlayerXP | mefiX: "most likely your PATH isn't including a directory that contains a binary you're trying to execute" |
| 11:27.47 | SlayerXP | like "sendmail" for examepl |
| 11:27.48 | abrotman | mefiX: such as the full path to 'sendmail' |
| 11:27.49 | SlayerXP | example |
| 11:27.49 | mefiX | like the following: "20 13 * * * /root/bin/get_recipient_list.sh >/dev/null 2>&1" |
| 11:27.52 | zhxk | ok |
| 11:27.58 | mefiX | oh damn, you mean the path to sendmail |
| 11:27.59 | SlayerXP | abrotman: OUT OF MY HEAD |
| 11:28.12 | abrotman | SlayerXP: i found your childhood. |
| 11:28.37 | SlayerXP | there be dragons |
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| 11:33.31 | mefiX | SlayerXP: abrotman thx! that was the problem |
| 11:33.57 | mefiX | for the rest of the script i pedantically have absolute paths |
| 11:34.05 | abrotman | mefiX: so you can either specify all your full pathes .. or possibly source your /etc/profile or whatever you have on your system setting your $PATH |
| 11:34.08 | mefiX | except this one :/ |
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| 11:34.12 | abrotman | mefiX: ah ok |
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| 11:34.40 | war9407 | Hello all, hey abrotman ,ltns! Does anyone here use debmirror? I am seeing this on 2-3 mirrors I tried (as of earlier this week): [GNUPG:] BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 11:36.21 | macrobat | some bad/old keys? |
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| 11:37.30 | macrobat | do you have the new key? http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090523 |
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| 11:39.03 | abrotman | war9407: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 11:39.17 | abrotman | war9407: however .. could be a proxy on your ISP perhaps ? |
| 11:39.30 | abrotman | oh, on your mirror .. hrm .. |
| 11:39.35 | war9407 | abrotman: I am using rsync and debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. |
| 11:40.08 | abrotman | war9407: i know that some mirrors had some sync issues recently .. though i thought that was last week |
| 11:40.13 | war9407 | oh |
| 11:40.23 | war9407 | still happening :( I sent an e-mail to the ftpadmin list, but no udpates |
| 11:42.42 | war9407 | abrotman: I mirror amd64,i386 on a box and then sync all my machines from it, saves a nice bit of bw |
| 11:42.47 | war9407 | abrotman: which list was it being discussed on? |
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| 11:43.11 | abrotman | war9407: not sure, i only saw mention on irc |
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| 11:44.14 | war9407 | ah |
| 11:45.01 | abrotman | i'm not even sure if that's an ftp-master question, or for some other group |
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| 11:45.24 | zhxk` | how to use update-rc.d to remove gdm? |
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| 11:47.36 | zhxk` | folks, advise me |
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| 11:47.42 | abrotman | man update-rc.d |
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| 11:48.15 | zhxk` | ab rot man, nice meeting you again |
| 11:50.06 | remur_030_v2 | update-rc.d remove gdm @ zhxk` |
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| 11:50.29 | zhxk` | can i add it later? |
| 11:50.42 | pist_ | update-rc.d add gdm |
| 11:50.46 | pist_ | I guess. |
| 11:51.00 | zhxk` | can i just remove it from runlevel 2? |
| 11:51.00 | remur_030_v2 | you can reinstall it later, or just add it again to runlevels 2345 |
| 11:51.02 | abrotman | maybe he could read the man page ? |
| 11:51.34 | zhxk` | no, couldnt, may english is poor, cant suffer that |
| 11:51.36 | remur_030_v2 | zhxk`: no idea how to do it exactly, read the manpage or just delete it in /etc/rc2.d/, that's what's update-rc.d is doing as welk |
| 11:52.28 | pist_ | rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm* |
| 11:52.33 | pist_ | But be careful |
| 11:53.05 | zhxk` | ok, done for it |
| 11:53.16 | zhxk` | may i specify runlevel at boot time? |
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| 11:54.24 | zhxk` | folks, dont idle |
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| 11:54.48 | pist_ | What do you mean ? |
| 11:55.10 | zhxk` | may i specify runlevel at menu.lst? |
| 11:55.36 | pist_ | mh |
| 11:55.40 | zhxk` | so that can choose to boot into runlevel 2 or 3 and have oppertunity to choose to boot into cli or gdm |
| 11:55.45 | pist_ | yeah you can |
| 11:55.50 | pist_ | ontes [n=ccfontes@bl15-103-227.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #debian |
| 11:55.50 | pist_ | 13:50 < zhxk`> can i add it later? |
| 11:55.56 | pist_ | (sorry) |
| 11:56.00 | pist_ | http://www.mail-archive.com/grub-devel@gnu.org/msg08916.html |
| 11:56.03 | pist_ | There you go |
| 11:56.13 | pist_ | You do it like this: |
| 11:56.13 | pist_ | linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 3 |
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| 12:01.22 | zhxk` | how to specify runlevel? |
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| 12:01.46 | zhxk` | pist_:no hint, more? |
| 12:02.37 | tamiya | Hey guys |
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| 12:02.44 | pist_ | zhxk`: they say it... |
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| 12:02.50 | _jhw_ | hi |
| 12:02.59 | tamiya | i'm having trouble with an 'apt-get install program' |
| 12:03.04 | pist_ | And I sait it to zhxk` |
| 12:03.07 | tamiya | it keeps failing with: libgtk2.0-0: Depends: libcups2 (>= 1.3.8) but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:03.08 | pist_ | 13:56 < pist_> You do it like this: |
| 12:03.08 | pist_ | 13:56 < pist_> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 3 |
| 12:03.23 | pist_ | tamiya: apt-get install libcups2 |
| 12:03.27 | tamiya | i did that |
| 12:03.44 | tamiya | but still no good. i also did 'apt-get install -f' |
| 12:03.49 | tamiya | but same problem |
| 12:03.55 | abrotman | tamiya: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 12:03.56 | zhxk` | pist_:where is runlevel to 13:56 < pist_> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 3 |
| 12:04.09 | tamiya | whats a pastebin? |
| 12:04.14 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
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| 12:04.18 | pist_ | zhxk`: maybe "3" |
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| 12:05.45 | bzed | aber/go poisonbit |
| 12:05.48 | bzed | aergh |
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| 12:06.05 | tamiya | Here is the pastebin: http://paste.debian.net/plain/43591 |
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| 12:06.51 | abrotman | tamiya: you did an `aptitude update` before trying to intsall ? |
| 12:06.55 | abrotman | or apt-get update .. whichever |
| 12:07.17 | tamiya | yes, but i will try it again |
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| 12:07.46 | tamiya | just did it. Still no good :( |
| 12:08.06 | abrotman | tamiya: apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0 .. what is the candidate ? |
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| 12:09.43 | Shtl | m using lenny, where to set the java class path permanently? |
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| 12:12.21 | tamiya | i'll check it now, abrotman |
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| 12:13.04 | tamiya | Candidate: 2.12.12-1~lenny1 |
| 12:13.20 | tamiya | Candidate: 2.12.12-1~lenny1 |
| 12:13.22 | tamiya | oops |
| 12:13.26 | abrotman | tamiya: if you try to install libcups2 .. whta does it say ? |
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| 12:13.51 | tamiya | Here is my latest pastebin: http://paste.debian.net/plain/43593 |
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| 12:15.22 | da78 | tamiya: ...and 241 not upgraded... |
| 12:15.46 | abrotman | tamiya: that libcupsys2-gnutls10 .. shouldn't be installe d.. try doing an `aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude full-upgrade` |
| 12:16.08 | tamiya | Here is what happens when i try to install libcups2: http://paste.debian.net/plain/43595 |
| 12:16.08 | da78 | tamiya: maybe an apt-get clean before. |
| 12:16.32 | da78 | tamiya: maybe an "apt-get clean" before, with an "apt-get update". |
| 12:16.45 | abrotman | that just clears the archives |
| 12:17.06 | da78 | abrotman: ya. |
| 12:17.22 | tamiya | ok |
| 12:17.31 | tamiya | trying the aptitude commands now |
| 12:17.34 | abrotman | he'll just have to redownload packages ... |
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| 12:21.49 | tamiya | Still no luck :( |
| 12:21.53 | tamiya | Heres the latest: http://paste.debian.net/plain/43596 |
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| 12:23.09 | tamiya | i've manually deleted the /usr/lib/libcups.so.2 file but that did not help |
| 12:23.17 | abrotman | no .. it won't |
| 12:23.26 | abrotman | tamiya: can you `dpkg -P libcupsys2-gnutls10` ? |
| 12:24.36 | tamiya | I get: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove libcups2-gnutls10 which isn't installed. |
| 12:24.38 | themill | that's an etch package |
| 12:24.43 | abrotman | yeah .. |
| 12:25.03 | tamiya | i upgraded from etch to lenny a few hours ago |
| 12:25.11 | rdz | hi all. my kernel spits out strange messages, when - for instance - restarting ssh: http://paste.debian.net/43597/ any ideas, what this means? |
| 12:25.13 | abrotman | tamiya: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/libcups* ? |
| 12:26.05 | tamiya | The only file is: /var/cache/apt/archives/libcups2_1.3.8-1+lenny6_i386.deb |
| 12:26.16 | da78 | tamiya: Did you restart the system after the upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 12:26.19 | abrotman | tamiya: dpkg -i --force-overwrite var/cache/apt/archives/libcups2_1.3.8-1+lenny6_i386.deb |
| 12:26.22 | abrotman | uhm |
| 12:26.25 | abrotman | tamiya: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libcups2_1.3.8-1+lenny6_i386.deb |
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| 12:26.44 | tamiya | yes |
| 12:26.51 | tamiya | several times actually :) |
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| 12:28.39 | abrotman | tamiya: did that work? |
| 12:28.43 | tamiya | yay! |
| 12:28.48 | tamiya | Thanks, abrotman! |
| 12:28.50 | tamiya | You did it |
| 12:28.51 | abrotman | tamiya: now please finish your aptitude full-upgrade |
| 12:28.58 | tamiya | ok :) |
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| 12:30.12 | Adam_eM | hi there |
| 12:30.30 | Adam_eM | I need some help on creating a script... |
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| 12:32.16 | Adam_eM | it should check the state of a text file periodically, say 15 minutes, and check if a specified line is commented out or not, and if it's not, it should put a hash right before it |
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| 12:33.00 | tamiya | Is there a way to determine what version of debian I had installed on this box many years ago? |
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| 12:33.16 | tamiya | It's now got Lenny on it |
| 12:33.39 | tamiya | what kernel version does Lenny come with by default? |
| 12:33.53 | Adam_eM | how can I search for a specified string in configg file and then replace it with something else? |
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| 12:35.14 | the-dude | tamiya: 2.6.26 |
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| 12:36.49 | daemon | hey guys is there anyway to imitate a 'freebsd like' version of tcsh, so that when I rpess he up arrow it auto completes a previously used command |
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| 12:44.26 | zhxk` | how can see current runlevel? |
| 12:45.05 | streuner | runlevel? ;-) |
| 12:45.09 | zhxk` | yes |
| 12:45.25 | streuner | type in a shell "runlevel" :-) |
| 12:45.30 | the-dude | daemon: tcsh is included |
| 12:45.31 | zhxk` | it seems wont work specifying runlevel |
| 12:45.42 | daemon | the-dude, it seems to work differentlly |
| 12:45.50 | streuner | amset:/home/streuner# runlevel |
| 12:45.50 | streuner | N 2 |
| 12:45.57 | zhxk` | it shows 2 3 what it mean? |
| 12:45.59 | macrobat | who -r |
| 12:46.19 | daemon | the-dude, I press up in the debian git and it goes to the previous command |
| 12:46.20 | eBams | hi! i have a mounted truecrypt - ntfs partition on my debian lenny, but i can only read from the device, i cant write whatever i do, cant write as normal user nor as root, chmod also doesnt help. anyone gut suggestions (sry about bad english :P) |
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| 12:47.07 | zhxk` | it seems it wont work specifying runlevel at menu.lst |
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| 12:48.15 | shadowmaster | zhxk`: "it shows 2 3" <- that means 2 was the previous runlevel, and 3 is the current. |
| 12:48.21 | themill | Adam_eM: "sed -i 's/\(^config=foo\)/#\1/" will do the editing of the file for you; use inotifywatch, watch or cron to run it depending on your needs. (inotifywatch is more likely what you want rather than just running every 15 minutes) |
| 12:48.52 | zhxk` | ok, i c , btw hwo to specify runlevel to kernel at boot time on menu.lst? |
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| 12:49.47 | shadowmaster | zhxk`: appending the runlevel number to the kernel command line works |
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| 12:50.33 | Wooga | anyone know how to enable ECMA colors in dash? |
| 12:51.13 | Adam_eM | themill: could you please explain the syntax a bit? |
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| 12:53.04 | macrobat | zhxk`: read http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=40990 |
| 12:53.06 | Titan8990 | Adam_eM, there are tons of guides and tutorials out there on sed |
| 12:53.52 | Shtl | lenny is failing to configure the x server with Intel p4 |
| 12:54.10 | Shtl | could not able to start |
| 12:54.12 | zhxk` | macrobat:it still shows 2 after adding 3 at the end to kernel parameters |
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| 12:54.47 | macrobat | i dont know, zhxk` |
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| 12:55.30 | zhxk` | thanks,though |
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| 12:59.13 | macrobat | Shtl, what is the error? i dont think the cpu matters much |
| 12:59.33 | macrobat | Shtl: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:00.46 | themill | dpkg: tell Adam_eM about sed |
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| 13:01.10 | themill | Adam_eM: also "/msg dpkg sed tutorial". |
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| 13:01.55 | Shtl | macrobat: the eroor is, Ring end, space 28 wanted 32, FATAL server Error |
| 13:03.00 | macrobat | Shtl: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508614 |
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| 13:10.25 | Shtl | macrobat: i followed that but not worked |
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| 13:13.51 | zhxk` | folks, i need enable runlevel at menu.lst, advice me |
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| 13:16.13 | themill | zhxk`: out of interest, why do you need to change the runlevel through grub? What are you trying to do? |
| 13:17.17 | zhxk` | themill:i want have an oppertunity boot into cli or dm |
| 13:17.18 | zhxk` | gdm |
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| 13:18.06 | themill | zhxk`: why not just hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get the console if you don't want to use X? |
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| 13:18.41 | Ace2017_- | hi |
| 13:19.05 | Ace2017_- | is it possible to increase the number of loops? so i can do sudo mount ... ... -o |
| 13:19.24 | hark | zhxk`: runlevels 2-5 are identical in debian, so you have to modify it first.. otherwise you won't notice any difference |
| 13:19.40 | Ace2017_- | actually i'm not managing the ones i have well enough, i will learn to manage my resources better -_- |
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| 13:21.40 | rudi_s | Hi, I got a problem with apache. I have the files abc.html and abc.css in a directory. When I request just /abc I get abc.css but I don't know where that conversion happens. I would like to do it myself with mod_rewrite. This automatica change doesn't happen on other apaches I use. Thanks. |
| 13:22.00 | valdyn | Ace2017_-: 16 not enough? |
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| 13:22.13 | rudi_s | What do I have to change to remove this automatica behaviour? |
| 13:22.25 | Ace2017_- | valdyn: no, but i didn't unmount old ones, i kept them for reference |
| 13:22.48 | sHyLoCk_ | !kde |
| 13:22.48 | dpkg | [kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get KDE, ask me about <install kde>. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 13:23.01 | justin | rudi_s: multiviews |
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| 13:23.29 | aeaeae | !startanoswar |
| 13:23.38 | aeaeae | !startoswar |
| 13:23.41 | aeaeae | uff. |
| 13:23.44 | aeaeae | lol |
| 13:23.58 | azeem | aeaeae: do you have a Debian question? |
| 13:24.04 | valdyn | Ace2017_-: modinfo loop |
| 13:24.37 | aeaeae | yes |
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| 13:24.55 | aeaeae | is true that debian uses a modified linux kernel? |
| 13:25.10 | rudi_s | justin: Thank you very much, worked fine. |
| 13:25.13 | aeaeae | then i can't use a vanilla one? |
| 13:25.23 | Titan8990 | aeaeae, debian is a linux distro, it uses a linux kernel |
| 13:25.30 | valdyn | aeaeae: every distro but slackware uses a modified kernel |
| 13:25.32 | Titan8990 | aeaeae, you can use any linux kernel you want |
| 13:25.55 | aeaeae | i have to apply debian patch first? |
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| 13:26.04 | Titan8990 | aeaeae, not if you don't want to |
| 13:26.25 | Titan8990 | aeaeae, you can do: apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 13:26.43 | Titan8990 | aeaeae, to get sources for a pre-patched debian kernel |
| 13:27.09 | aeaeae | ok. thanks. |
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| 13:28.40 | Arafangion | Titan8990: you're lucky you answered before I. |
| 13:28.50 | Arafangion | Titan8990: I would've said "Of course it uses a modified kernel". |
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| 13:39.15 | dashs | How to find which package(s) contain a particular program? |
| 13:39.27 | koollman | dashs: use apt-file |
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| 13:40.29 | dashs | koollman: my install does not have an apt-file |
| 13:40.43 | themill | dpkg: tell dashs about apt-file |
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| 13:44.44 | zhxk` | folks, i need enable runlevel at menu.lst so that have oppertunity choose to boot into cli or gdm, i've tried add a number at the end of paratmeters to kernel but it wont work, advice me, thank you! |
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| 13:50.51 | Lascar | hi |
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| 13:51.12 | Lascar | I've copied my net install iso content to a usb stick |
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| 13:51.36 | Lascar | where should I copy my wireless pkg in what folder ? |
| 13:52.15 | hark | Lascar: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
| 13:52.34 | Lascar | thanks |
| 13:52.42 | hark | no wait |
| 13:52.56 | hark | what wireless package? |
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| 13:54.10 | Lascar | iwl3945 |
| 13:54.22 | Lascar | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/HP/dv2050us |
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| 13:54.50 | rdz | hi all. when rebooting, the nfs shares are not mounted automatically. however, when the machine is up and running and i perform the mount command manually ('mount /mynfsshare'), it works. all the rest from /etc/fstab is mounted correctly on startup. how can i debug this? |
| 13:54.52 | warthog | zhxk`: i don't think you can configure init levels in the boot loader except switch to run level 1/single |
| 13:55.01 | liable | iwl3945 is supported in stable |
| 13:56.00 | warthog | rdz: pastebin /etc/fstab |
| 13:56.00 | Lascar | hackeron I just want my wireless to work, :) nothing else, afther that I can install everything with apt-get |
| 13:56.00 | Lascar | *hark |
| 13:56.24 | rdz | warthog, http://paste.debian.net/43604/ |
| 13:56.30 | hark | Lascar: all you need is the firmware, lenny already supports it |
| 13:57.18 | Lascar | hark I don't know if I did the write thing, I've copyed iso files to a usb and I hope to book and install it from there |
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| 13:57.32 | brah | Is there any way to insert MySQL into PHP without recompiling PHP? |
| 13:57.35 | Lascar | and the install firmware to make my wireless connection |
| 13:57.35 | hark | !usb install |
| 13:57.35 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/) |
| 13:57.54 | themill | brah: install the php5-mysql package |
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| 13:58.10 | brah | Oh, wrong channel, sorry. |
| 13:58.13 | warthog | rdz: is your network configured by dhcp or by a static ip addr ? |
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| 13:58.52 | rdz | warthog, do you know, what triggers the mount.nfs command? probably the problem is related to the fact, that the machine has two network interfaces, but the nfs mount is done only trough the one of them. probably the mount.nfs is triggered to early, when the second network interface is not ready.. |
| 13:59.12 | rdz | warthog, it has two interfaces and both use static ips |
| 13:59.33 | rdz | warthog, eth0: 195.X.X.X, eth1 10.10.10.X |
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| 14:01.42 | themill | zhxk`: how are you working out that adding the desired runlevel number to the end of the kernel line in the grub menu.lst hasn't worked? |
| 14:02.09 | warthog | rdz: the interfaces will get configured first and then the nfs service should be up unless there was a local change in the order of the scripts being executed. /etc/ini |
| 14:02.50 | rdz | warthog, nfs-common is S20.. how can i tell, when the interfaces are configured? |
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| 14:07.39 | liable | !ops 87.110.228.198 spam |
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| 14:07.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: 87.110.228.198 spam |
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| 14:08.06 | warthog | rdz: S20 ?? what version of debian are you using ? |
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| 14:08.36 | rdz | warthog, virtue3:/etc/rc2.d# cat /etc/issue |
| 14:08.36 | rdz | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 14:08.38 | liable | danke abortman |
| 14:09.16 | rdz | warthog, is that the right file: /etc/rc2.d/S20nfs-common ? |
| 14:09.37 | dacs | how can i add user foo to friends group? and how do i list which folders that assigned to friends group |
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| 14:10.38 | abrotman | liable: you're quite welcome, have a good evening :) |
| 14:11.29 | macrobat | dacs: gpasswd -a foo friends |
| 14:12.31 | warthog | rdz: that's about right. do you see any errors in the /var/log/messages ? |
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| 14:14.04 | macrobat | dacs try find ./ -group friends |
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| 14:14.11 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 14:15.58 | dacs | macrobat: nothing, here is what i want to do, i want to create a folder , and tie it to a group where i can assign user foo and user bar to have access/download to files from folder |
| 14:15.59 | rdz | warthog, there is some nfs related stuff.. but i don't how to tell, wether those messages are errors or just messages |
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| 14:16.35 | dacs | macrobat: but i am confused on if i add a group , what permission /access that group will have |
| 14:16.41 | esaym153 | I have export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups:erasedups in my .bashrc yet I still have duplicate commands in my history. Anyone know why? |
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| 14:17.37 | macrobat | dacs, download? |
| 14:17.38 | g00se | dacs: whatever you set them to |
| 14:18.18 | dacs | macrobat: i mean users can download files from the folder |
| 14:18.38 | macrobat | dacs, ftp or something? |
| 14:18.43 | warthog | rdz: pastebin them anyway |
| 14:18.57 | dacs | macrobat: ssh preferably |
| 14:19.16 | ajavid | good morning |
| 14:19.19 | g00se | dacs: 'download' is not a relevant concept: it's r, w or x |
| 14:19.40 | dacs | g00se: yeah rwx |
| 14:20.01 | g00se | dacs: chmod -R 770 downloads_dir |
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| 14:20.30 | macrobat | http://www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml |
| 14:20.47 | ajavid | !permissions |
| 14:20.47 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
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| 14:21.05 | macrobat | even better :) |
| 14:21.13 | Saj | hi to all,i have installed debian and windows in my system with dual boot.but after rebooting from linux to windows then it shows wrong time |
| 14:21.16 | g00se | dacs: And if the clients are not on that box then you have network permissions to consider |
| 14:21.34 | abrotman | Saj: sounds like one of your OS is set for UTC |
| 14:21.40 | Saj | i think linux changing some time so windows shows wrong time. |
| 14:21.41 | ajavid | Saj, I beleive you have to disable UTC when booting with windows |
| 14:22.03 | ajavid | Saj, you can disable UTC and sync your time in linux with ntp |
| 14:22.05 | Saj | ajavid, abrotman how to disable this? |
| 14:22.12 | abrotman | Saj: /etc/default/rcS |
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| 14:22.59 | Saj | abrotman, yes in this file UTC=yes it means it is enabled. |
| 14:23.15 | abrotman | you probably want it to be no |
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| 14:24.07 | Saj | abrotman, after that need to run any script or reboot to make this change applicable? |
| 14:24.32 | abrotman | Saj: maybe reboot .. never thought about it |
| 14:24.40 | ajavid | abrotman, btw, gazpacho is the only one that actually offers python-kiwi widgets in the designer, wxglade etc. do not |
| 14:24.41 | abrotman | might just be able to use ntp to update your time |
| 14:25.04 | abrotman | ajavid: wait .. do your parents know you're playing with GTK/wx ? :) |
| 14:25.07 | ajavid | lol |
| 14:25.11 | ajavid | shaddup |
| 14:25.41 | dacs | macrobat: sorry but how do i change a folder group |
| 14:25.55 | Saj | abrotman, is require to run any command or gui option to update time with ntp. |
| 14:26.00 | macrobat | chown user:group file |
| 14:26.01 | KidneyBeanstalk | hey what are the commands to connect and disconnect from wireless networks? |
| 14:26.07 | ajavid | !tell Saj -about ntp |
| 14:26.10 | KidneyBeanstalk | kde/gnome is not making me feel in charge of this. |
| 14:26.14 | abrotman | Saj: if it's easier, just reboot .. not a big deal |
| 14:26.37 | ajavid | KidneyBeanstalk, there is knetworkmanager and network-manager |
| 14:26.54 | KidneyBeanstalk | its not giving me a connect/disconnect button |
| 14:27.04 | ajavid | KidneyBeanstalk, you want ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 14:27.31 | ajavid | or whatever is your device name |
| 14:27.37 | KidneyBeanstalk | tnx |
| 14:27.38 | macrobat | dacs: or if you want to change a dir and all that is in it: chown -R user:group directory |
| 14:27.51 | ajavid | KidneyBeanstalk, to bring it up you can use ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 14:28.02 | macrobat | chmod for permissions |
| 14:28.18 | ajavid | KidneyBeanstalk, if they have been defiend as having the auto flag in /etc/network/interfaces, you can do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 14:30.29 | hackeron | Lascar: you do? |
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| 14:32.07 | DonAlex | Hiu guys.. |
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| 14:32.33 | DonAlex | So someone break down for me . .how far are we along with ia3apt-get and friends |
| 14:32.50 | DonAlex | and what the hell happened to the notification-area in gnome? |
| 14:32.57 | DonAlex | ia32apt-get |
| 14:33.08 | azeem | DonAlex: the future of ia32apt-get is uncerain |
| 14:33.10 | azeem | uncertain* |
| 14:33.34 | Saj | abrotman, ajavid thanks. |
| 14:33.44 | jm | unless you're a fortune teller |
| 14:33.48 | jm | then it's certain |
| 14:33.54 | DonAlex | azeem: Triffic.. |
| 14:34.18 | zophy | is there a debian installer cd that boots with a serial line as the console ? IOW i am headless. |
| 14:34.19 | DonAlex | azeem: Just broke all my 32 bit compatibility and it is not even the solution ;) |
| 14:34.51 | jm | zophy, they all allow you to pass your own custom kernel command line arguments, do they not? |
| 14:35.11 | jm | I guess that's a problem if you're already headless, but you could at least figure out the keys to type |
| 14:35.15 | zophy | i don't have a video |
| 14:35.17 | zophy | yeh |
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| 14:37.40 | azeem | DonAlex: consider using a 32bit chroot via schroot |
| 14:37.44 | esaym153 | Fellows, I figured it out, you don't use export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups:erasedups but HISTCONTROL=ignoredups:erasedups (without the export) in .bashrc |
| 14:38.46 | DonAlex | azeem: Oh no... Jeez I started off doing that like 3 years ago.. you mean I have to go back to cloning an entire 32bit distro just to run a crappy version of IE? |
| 14:39.04 | DonAlex | They call that progress? |
| 14:39.29 | petemc | i wouldnt call anything about ie progressive |
| 14:39.30 | jm | why wouldn't export work? it seems unnecessary to use export, since .bashrc is source'd, but I still don't understand why it wouldn't work at all |
| 14:39.42 | azeem | DonAlex: unstable is not supported here anyway |
| 14:39.51 | azeem | a fix is underway for squeeze |
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| 14:40.35 | DonAlex | Yeah .. well if I known it was gonna be such a mess i would have pinned to testing.. but too late now I guess. |
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| 14:42.19 | azeem | DonAlex: do you want to run wine? |
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| 14:42.53 | DonAlex | Well it managed to break cxoffice too.. which is a neat trick.. |
| 14:43.04 | DonAlex | so yeah wine or anything woudl be nice.. |
| 14:43.24 | macrobat | i want to run wine |
| 14:43.30 | _zap_ | hi. how can i change the uid after chroot? su does not work properly (prob. because i forgot something). is there something more lightweight? |
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| 14:50.02 | d-b-mucs | hi what's the method of generating a new xorg.conf in lenny? |
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| 14:50.40 | careta | d-b-mucs, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xorg-xserver |
| 14:50.55 | d-b-mucs | ok |
| 14:51.02 | d-b-mucs | careta: why isn't thi the default... |
| 14:51.16 | careta | what do you mean d-b-mucs ? |
| 14:51.27 | Titan8990 | careta, that no longer works in lenny |
| 14:51.34 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: really? |
| 14:51.39 | Titan8990 | d-b-mucs, yep |
| 14:51.47 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: so... |
| 14:51.51 | d-b-mucs | now what... |
| 14:51.55 | Titan8990 | d-b-mucs, it will let you go through the TUI but won't write anything to xorg.conf |
| 14:52.01 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: ok |
| 14:52.15 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: how do i get it to make me one... |
| 14:52.34 | themill | !xorg config |
| 14:52.34 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank but you can feed xorg settings using it still. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout and use "X -configure" as a template for your handwritten xorg.conf. |
| 14:52.35 | Titan8990 | d-b-mucs, shouldn't need one, what drivers are you trying to use? |
| 14:52.52 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: it says intel but /dev/fb0 is missing |
| 14:53.03 | d-b-mucs | so i think i need i810 / older intel |
| 14:53.10 | Titan8990 | xorg does not require a framebuffer |
| 14:53.14 | Titan8990 | is x failing to start? |
| 14:53.19 | rdz | warthog, back again... i rebooted the machine and the nfs share is as (un-)expected not mounted. i did yet not perform the mount command manually and now /var/log/messages doesn't have any line with 'nfs' in it |
| 14:53.25 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: starts and has weird fonts and things |
| 14:53.28 | d-b-mucs | ah sorry |
| 14:53.39 | d-b-mucs | um... its white / colourful fading / broken |
| 14:53.41 | d-b-mucs | no gdm. |
| 14:53.52 | Titan8990 | d-b-mucs, did you install gdm? |
| 14:54.01 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: yes |
| 14:54.03 | rdz | warthog, isn't thtat strange? should i try /etc/init.d/nfs-common start ? |
| 14:54.08 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: of course :) |
| 14:54.16 | Titan8990 | d-b-mucs, eh... did you install the xorg meta package? |
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| 14:54.45 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: which one :) |
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| 14:55.13 | Titan8990 | d-b-mucs, xorg-server |
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| 14:55.28 | ajavid | no just xorg |
| 14:55.37 | ajavid | aptitude install xorg |
| 14:55.51 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: yes |
| 14:56.03 | Titan8990 | ajavid, i am asking about the xorg meta package because it comes with the fonts... |
| 14:56.18 | Titan8990 | d-b-mucs, what does your xorg log report the driver being used as? |
| 14:56.28 | d-b-mucs | xorg is installed Titan8990 intel |
| 14:56.30 | Titan8990 | d-b-mucs, actually, just go ahead and pastebin it |
| 14:56.35 | d-b-mucs | intel supports i810 |
| 14:57.07 | ajavid | Titan8990, xorg, not xserver-xorg |
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| 14:58.00 | d-b-mucs | its an old laptop :) |
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| 14:58.43 | Titan8990 | ajavid, sorry, I see |
| 14:59.01 | ajavid | Titan8990, next time look up actual dependencies :) |
| 14:59.04 | ajavid | no biggie |
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| 15:01.13 | d-b-mucs | still issue :) |
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| 15:06.32 | Titan8990 | d-b-mucs, still havn't posted your xorg log |
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| 15:07.01 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: im in a terminal :) |
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| 15:07.54 | Titan8990 | !tell d-b-mucs about pastebinit |
| 15:07.58 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: i know |
| 15:07.59 | d-b-mucs | rofl |
| 15:08.05 | ajavid | d-b-mucs, install elinks, links, lynx, links2 or w3m |
| 15:08.10 | ajavid | d-b-mucs, also install gpm |
| 15:08.24 | ajavid | d-b-mucs, launch cli browser, type in paste.debian.net |
| 15:08.48 | ajavid | d-b-mucs, go down to the last control and there you can type in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:09.03 | ajavid | d-b-mucs, hit send, and your file will be uploaded to paste.debian.net |
| 15:09.08 | d-b-mucs | ajavid: sssh |
| 15:09.20 | Titan8990 | ajavid, dude... thats so much harder than: aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:09.43 | seniorake | how could one set the ulimit for a specific user? |
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| 15:09.55 | d-b-mucs | pastebin.com/f788fa75c |
| 15:09.55 | themill | or "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 < /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 15:09.59 | seniorake | i mean using sysctl.conf or something |
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| 15:10.10 | d-b-mucs | seniorake: /etc/security/limits |
| 15:10.16 | ajavid | !pastewithoutx |
| 15:10.16 | dpkg | Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
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| 15:10.19 | d-b-mucs | .conf* |
| 15:10.49 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: get my pastebin /me hope he copied the url properly / it worked |
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| 15:11.17 | d-b-mucs | ajavid: not helping :) |
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| 15:11.37 | Titan8990 | ajavid, and in which case would anyone want to use that instead of pastebinit? |
| 15:12.20 | dashs | koollman: thanks |
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| 15:12.32 | seniorake | d-b-mucs, thank you! for example: foo hard nofile 65536 ..would limit open-files to 64k for user foo, true? |
| 15:13.27 | feng` | exit |
| 15:14.14 | d-b-mucs | that's the max number of open files |
| 15:14.18 | d-b-mucs | sure. |
| 15:14.34 | d-b-mucs | i think ou want fsize |
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| 15:15.48 | d-b-mucs | Titan8990: any ideas :) |
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| 15:17.21 | chavodelocho | Hi guys, I have two different ways to connect to internet with my server, I'd like to do a redundancy between these links, all the network traffic go to the link1, if this link be down, the link2 take, I add 2 default gateways in my server, the first one with metric 0 and the link2 with metric 1, but this not work |
| 15:17.38 | d-b-mucs | chavodelocho: look up iproute2 |
| 15:17.47 | d-b-mucs | i think its called. |
| 15:18.07 | chavodelocho | d-b-mucs, iproute2 do this? |
| 15:18.13 | d-b-mucs | chavodelocho: yep. |
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| 15:18.54 | ajavid | Titan8990, in case people who dislike using pastebin.com/ca/ etc. |
| 15:19.47 | chavodelocho | d-b-mucs, I thinked that was more simple, that I only need add the metric, I will look for iproute2, thanks |
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| 15:20.31 | chavodelocho | d-b-mucs, so what the metric is? |
| 15:20.56 | d-b-mucs | chavodelocho: eh? |
| 15:21.11 | seniorake | d-b-mucs, yes, i wanted to increase the max. amount of open files |
| 15:21.21 | seniorake | but what now? do i need to restart the applications running with this user? |
| 15:21.26 | dokma | Hey guys! I'm trying to use pdnsd. With my current settings dig resolves a domain from /etc/hosts but firefox cannot see it. How do I get firefox to receive same dns lookups? |
| 15:21.38 | chavodelocho | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:23.13 | d-b-mucs | chavodelocho: i don't know. :) |
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| 15:24.13 | ajavid | singltons cause global states which make testing harder |
| 15:24.23 | ajavid | oops |
| 15:24.29 | KidneyBeans | whats the aptitude command to download all the kde4.3 packages into a dir and then install them? |
| 15:24.30 | ajavid | I thought I was elsewhere |
| 15:24.55 | ajavid | !kde4 |
| 15:24.55 | dpkg | hmm... kde4 is the latest KDE version, available starting from <squeeze>. For more information, join #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:25.11 | ajavid | I don't think 4.3 is in debian yet |
| 15:25.14 | d-b-mucs | KidneyBeans: do you mean build from source? |
| 15:25.16 | KidneyBeans | its in the unstable |
| 15:25.20 | ajavid | judd version kdebase |
| 15:25.21 | judd | ajavid: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 15:25.21 | themill | KidneyBeans: other than "aptitude install kde-full" |
| 15:25.23 | KidneyBeans | but i dono |
| 15:25.24 | ajavid | judd versions kdebase |
| 15:25.25 | judd | ajavid: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 sid: 4:4.2.4-1 squeeze: 4:4.2.4-1 |
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| 15:25.34 | ajavid | hm, it is no |
| 15:25.37 | ajavid | not* |
| 15:25.38 | KidneyBeans | okay |
| 15:25.40 | y3it221_klce | Hello!! I am trying to program a joystick, on ARM architecture. there is no /dev/input/js0 but i can see /dev/input/event1?? How to read the Joystick |
| 15:25.41 | ajavid | debian does not have 4.3 |
| 15:25.44 | KidneyBeans | so will it download it somewhere for me? |
| 15:25.54 | KidneyBeans | ajavid it is in the 'unstable' repository |
| 15:26.07 | ajavid | KidneyBeans, no, it is not |
| 15:26.11 | KidneyBeans | it is |
| 15:26.17 | ajavid | no it is not |
| 15:26.21 | KidneyBeans | yes it is |
| 15:26.34 | ajavid | shakes his head |
| 15:26.41 | KidneyBeans | -facepalms- |
| 15:26.59 | ajavid | KidneyBeans, good luck. |
| 15:27.53 | g00se | Is /etc/X11/Xsession.d a standard or is it a Debian thing? |
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| 15:28.46 | d-b-mucs | rar still no X |
| 15:29.10 | hark | you can't trust judd results, it's not up to date |
| 15:29.42 | KidneyBeans | so is there anyone here who knows how to install kde 4.3? |
| 15:29.59 | GhostlyDeath | Possibly |
| 15:30.07 | hark | KidneyBeans: which version of debian? |
| 15:30.11 | g00se | !anyone |
| 15:30.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:30.14 | themill | hark: judd should get updated every day... what's not up to date? |
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| 15:30.26 | ajavid | hark is correct |
| 15:30.28 | KidneyBeans | latest one hark |
| 15:30.30 | ajavid | PDO reports 4.3 |
| 15:30.37 | hark | themill: it uses udd right? |
| 15:30.37 | ajavid | judd report 4.2.2 |
| 15:30.38 | judd | ajavid: Error: "report" is not a valid command. |
| 15:30.40 | ajavid | or something |
| 15:30.42 | ajavid | judd, stfu |
| 15:30.42 | judd | ajavid: Error: "stfu" is not a valid command. |
| 15:30.45 | themill | hark: yes |
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| 15:31.05 | KidneyBeans | ahhht ajavid you're annoying |
| 15:31.12 | ajavid | KidneyBeans, /ignore ajavid |
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| 15:31.30 | hark | themill: i thought there was a lag of a day or so with the db dump |
| 15:31.31 | KidneyBeans | dont smart ass me, i havent coded ignore lists into this client yet |
| 15:31.32 | ajavid | themill, how often daily is it updated, PDO reports kdebase 4.3, whereas judd reports 4.2.2 |
| 15:31.35 | ajavid | or something |
| 15:32.15 | abrotman | KidneyBeans: please be nice to people |
| 15:32.28 | abrotman | judd: versions kdebase |
| 15:32.28 | judd | abrotman: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 sid: 4:4.2.4-1 squeeze: 4:4.2.4-1 |
| 15:32.51 | abrotman | eh .. could have sworn it said 4.3.x last night .. oh well |
| 15:33.02 | abrotman | though .. it also lists sid twice ...er m.. three times .. wtf |
| 15:33.08 | ajavid | judd doesn't have manual updating like dpkg |
| 15:33.08 | judd | ajavid: Error: "doesn't" is not a valid command. |
| 15:33.11 | abrotman | stew: judd is confused ? |
| 15:33.18 | abrotman | ajavid: i believe it does |
| 15:33.26 | GhostlyDeath | maybe sid has multiple versions |
| 15:33.31 | ajavid | GhostlyDeath, no |
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| 15:34.37 | stew | abrotman: yes, there is a bug in udd |
| 15:34.40 | y3it221_klce | Can anyone help me with ARM architecture? |
| 15:34.55 | stew | abrotman: or do you mean that it keeps getting triggered by Nyle? |
| 15:34.57 | ajavid | !arm |
| 15:34.57 | dpkg | methinks arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. |
| 15:35.04 | ajavid | y3it221_klce, ^^ |
| 15:35.22 | themill | stew: it's not just the multiple-sids, it seems to be lagging sid updates by a few days (kdebase 4.3 was uploaded 3 days ago but isn't there in judd) |
| 15:35.37 | stew | oh |
| 15:35.46 | hark | themill: i based my assumptions on the last line here: http://udd.debian.org/ |
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| 15:36.06 | y3it221_klce | I am trying to program a joystick, on ARM architecture. there is no /dev/input/js0 but i can see /dev/input/event1?? How to read the Joystick |
| 15:36.11 | hark | themill: if that's how it's being updated |
| 15:36.13 | themill | hark: judd has its own instance of udd though |
| 15:36.18 | y3it221_klce | ajavid: I am trying to program a joystick, on ARM architecture. there is no /dev/input/js0 but i can see /dev/input/event1?? How to read the Joystick |
| 15:36.38 | ajavid | y3it221_klce, i dont know |
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| 15:37.00 | y3it221_klce | ajavid: Ohh, Thanks!! |
| 15:37.09 | ajavid | y3it221_klce, try #debian-arm like dpkg said |
| 15:38.42 | abrotman | stew: technically .. both |
| 15:38.48 | abrotman | stew: but really the former |
| 15:39.00 | careta | why is debian packing old svn versions as new packages? I just got installed libffado1 older than the one i have built from source about 3 months ago |
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| 15:40.08 | hark | themill: ah, so it doesn't use that dump then? |
| 15:40.17 | themill | no |
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| 15:40.51 | stew | hark: no, they don't have all the data I want, and have lots of data I don't want |
| 15:41.07 | stew | hark: so i run my own instance, on probably very bugged old code |
| 15:41.33 | stew | abrotman: themill: i'm running a by-hand update. if that fixes it, i'll try to see wth is wrong with my cronjob |
| 15:42.01 | themill | :) |
| 15:42.08 | ajavid | stew, it is also possible to make judd not repond if a proper command hasn't been given |
| 15:42.16 | ajavid | judd * |
| 15:42.17 | judd | ajavid: Error: "*" is not a valid command. |
| 15:42.38 | ajavid | respond |
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| 15:42.41 | stew | ajavid: yes, is it possible to make ajavid stop triggering the bot? |
| 15:43.20 | themill | careta: debian has the latest version that upstream released. What do you want the maintainer to do? |
| 15:43.41 | grazymax | hi all |
| 15:43.50 | careta | themill, no, I have the latest version upstream released |
| 15:44.02 | careta | and it was released more than 2 months ago |
| 15:44.03 | themill | careta: not according to upstream's website. |
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| 15:44.40 | careta | themill, both my version and debian one's are svn |
| 15:44.46 | themill | careta: http://www.ffado.org/ => FFADO 2.0 Release Candidate 2 (1.999.42) available. Debian version is also RC2. |
| 15:44.55 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 15:45.03 | ajavid | a grown ass man acting like a little child. tsk tsk. |
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| 15:46.25 | careta | themill, svn-1587 is my version. 2.0~rc2+svn1569-2 is debian version |
| 15:46.26 | LemensTS | hey all, i was wanting to do 2 servers that were mirrored with no down time. ANything i should read to do this cluster? Never done it before |
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| 15:47.59 | themill | careta: debian doesn't normally package random svn commits. Many packages won't even build properly at any random svn commit. RC2 is the last thing that upstream said "here try this". That is what is in debian. The maintainer is hardly going to upload a new package and test that all rdepends work with the new package every time someone runs "svn ci", now, are they? |
| 15:48.24 | careta | of course not |
| 15:48.57 | careta | I was just complaining because that svn version is quite old |
| 15:49.16 | themill | careta: get upstream to make a new RC or a real release then |
| 15:49.51 | careta | upstream it is mostly one guy doing the job |
| 15:49.58 | careta | i don't want to piss him off |
| 15:50.09 | themill | careta: /msg dpkg siyh ... |
| 15:50.26 | careta | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.47 | careta | oh yeah... i would, but i don't know shit about firewire |
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| 15:50.54 | careta | well, thanks anyway |
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| 15:59.18 | helix__ | Hi all |
| 15:59.35 | helix__ | I'm having a problem with a RAID setup. I have a /dev/md_d1 that I want to destroy. $ mdadm --stop /dev/md_d1 doesn't work |
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| 16:05.54 | malchias | not sure if this is a debian or php question. I'm trying to install an .so file required by php. Do I just copy the .so file someplace or are there special commands on the debian side of things to load the .so ? Sorry if I show my ignorance. |
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| 16:06.26 | malchias | I realize I have to edit the php.ini file, but am wondering if there are other things do to at the server level |
| 16:06.38 | bxf | malchias, why not install the package containing the so file? |
| 16:06.40 | ranix | malchias: start by searching apt-cache for what you're looking for |
| 16:06.46 | ranix | malchias: what are you trying to do here? |
| 16:06.52 | ranix | malchias: go up one level |
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| 16:07.01 | malchias | install zend |
| 16:07.07 | malchias | nothing listed in apt-cache for ioncube |
| 16:07.20 | malchias | ioncube is a php code protection module |
| 16:07.43 | malchias | ranix: what do you mean by go up a level? |
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| 16:08.08 | ranix | malchias: telling me you were trying to install zend is what I mean |
| 16:09.19 | ranix | malchias: doesn't the zend tarball contain an install script? |
| 16:09.23 | malchias | normally when an .so file is required is there something special I have to do? some command that installs them, or special permissions required? Or do I simply copy the file to the server, then edit the application .ini file or whatever that points to it |
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| 16:09.39 | malchias | no, it has a php file that is supposed to help install it but it doesn't work |
| 16:09.43 | ranix | malchias: .so is a shared object, it's a compiled shared library |
| 16:09.48 | malchias | (message is: have an admin install it) |
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| 16:10.28 | malchias | so, shared objects are just copied to and referenced in config file? |
| 16:10.46 | ranix | malchias: shared objects are loaded from your library paths |
| 16:10.53 | ranix | malchias: /usr/lib etc. |
| 16:11.04 | ranix | I bet there's a factoid on it but I don't know it |
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| 16:13.23 | luvar | hello |
| 16:13.38 | luvar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.03 | rudi_s | luvar: Check if mysql is running. |
| 16:14.09 | valdyn | luvar: so mysqld isnt running? |
| 16:14.19 | luvar | rudi_s how i can run it |
| 16:14.54 | luvar | idid run it throw the shell |
| 16:15.04 | luvar | by typing mysql |
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| 16:15.18 | luvar | but evrey time i recive the error massage |
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| 16:16.05 | rudi_s | luvar: You have to start mysqld (the mysql daemon) or connect to a running one. |
| 16:16.13 | rudi_s | mysql is just the client application. |
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| 16:17.04 | luvar | /etc/init.d/mysql start |
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| 16:19.30 | rudi_s | luvar: That starts the daemon, check if it's running with ps aux | grep mysql; if not check the logs. |
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| 16:22.13 | luvar | rudi_s iam srr iam new linux user |
| 16:22.21 | luvar | rudi_s iam just dont got wt u say |
| 16:22.50 | KC | how to I compile a tarball in such a way that it works with the package manager? |
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| 16:23.48 | g00se | KC: The package manager works with, errr .. packages, not tarballs |
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| 16:24.03 | KC | yes, that would be my point |
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| 16:24.28 | g00se | KC: You would make a .deb |
| 16:24.34 | surfer27 | hi guys. |
| 16:24.36 | KC | How? |
| 16:24.42 | KC | that is the fucking question |
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| 16:25.13 | g00se | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 16:25.21 | stew | KC: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 16:25.23 | surfer27 | i have a problem with debian 5.02.. my "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build" is missing. may i ask if anyone can help me? |
| 16:25.29 | rudi_s | luvar: /etc/init.d/mysql start starts the mysql server, you can connect to it with the mysql program. The message you posted above means the server isn't running. So start it. If that doesn't work there is an error message you need to give us. |
| 16:25.34 | stew | surfer27: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:25.42 | surfer27 | that was fast! |
| 16:26.10 | luvar | rudi_s idid started it |
| 16:26.23 | luvar | then i need to use passowrd for mysql |
| 16:26.23 | surfer27 | @stew: thank you! :) |
| 16:26.35 | luvar | to be able to connect to phpmyadmin rudi_s |
| 16:26.54 | KC | stew: i already looked at that, it tells me a package to download, but doesn't actually tell me how to do it |
| 16:27.31 | stew | KC: the package you donload has the documentation about how to create a package in /usr/share/doc/$packagename |
| 16:27.35 | luvar | mysqladmin -u root password root |
| 16:27.35 | luvar | mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 16:27.36 | luvar | error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
| 16:27.36 | luvar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:27.51 | stew | KC: and that factoid points you to the docs online as well |
| 16:28.24 | Tommy\DO | how should I properly change the ./configure options of debian source packages? |
| 16:28.25 | stew | luvar: /msg dpkg paste |
| 16:28.45 | surfer27 | @stew: it works! thank you very much!! :) |
| 16:28.46 | stew | luvar: and I think you want a -p (man mysqladmin) |
| 16:28.51 | stew | surfer27: you're welcome :) |
| 16:29.24 | stew | surfer27: (what are you compiling by the way?) |
| 16:29.38 | surfer27 | @stew: opencbm |
| 16:29.49 | luvar | -p (man mysqladmin) wts this supposed to mean :) |
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| 16:30.19 | stew | surfer27: ok, for some out of tree modules, there are better ways of compiling, but I don't see a source package for opencbm, so keep doing what you are doing |
| 16:30.38 | rudi_s | luvar: run man mysqladmin and then search for -p |
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| 16:30.50 | stew | luvar: you should read the manual page for mysqladmin, which you can read by running "man mysqladmin" i think you are missing a -p option |
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| 16:31.07 | rudi_s | luvar: To search in man type /-p and press enter. |
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| 16:32.09 | luvar | the point is why i cant make my own root passowrd |
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| 16:32.28 | luvar | can i remove it |
| 16:32.32 | marcompile | heyo |
| 16:32.40 | stew | luvar: do you not know the current password? |
| 16:32.42 | luvar | then make new install |
| 16:33.05 | luvar | stew no i dont its ma 1st time to use it under linux |
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| 16:33.23 | stew | luvar: (note that the error message stated that you weren't even supplying a password) |
| 16:33.25 | luvar | it was installed by defult in my destrbution |
| 16:33.34 | rudi_s | luvar: If you don't know it run dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (if you use lenny). |
| 16:33.34 | stew | luvar: which distribution? |
| 16:33.40 | luvar | bt4 |
| 16:33.46 | stew | what is bt4? |
| 16:34.01 | luvar | back track 4 build on debian platform |
| 16:34.08 | themill | !bt4 |
| 16:34.08 | dpkg | BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), formerly <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack.html #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:34.21 | stew | luvar: oh, you are in the wrong channel then. try #remote-exploit ^^ |
| 16:34.27 | themill | A derivative of a derivative. Just what the world needs. |
| 16:34.28 | luvar | idid |
| 16:34.37 | luvar | they said bad words to me |
| 16:34.49 | stew | luvar: then try a mailing list, perhaps |
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| 16:56.42 | Tommy\DO | how did my pbuilder get the idea to get all those build-deps from sid and not from lenny? i did not mention sid in any file manually |
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| 16:58.09 | stew | Tommy\DO: what is in /etc/apt/sources.list in the chroot? |
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| 16:58.56 | aboyz | Can someone help me check my configuration in httpd.conf. I setup a Virtualhost with a redirect. and it is not redireting. If you go to www.example.org or example.org it should redirect you to http://www.example.com. Here i sthe config http://pastebin.com/m7b639845 |
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| 16:59.40 | Evet | aboyz, #httpd |
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| 16:59.49 | aboyz | thx |
| 17:00.16 | microtux | hi, i want to create a FAI debian CD, i got the following error, "W: Failure while configuring base packages." Aborting. Any help ? |
| 17:00.34 | Tommy\DO | stew: okay, obviously it's sid. why did "pbuilder create" create a chroot for sid, if i'm running lenny? |
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| 17:02.54 | h8tr1 | how do I update a grossly out of date sarge system? |
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| 17:03.20 | h8tr1 | my /etc/apt/sources.list file clearly needs updating |
| 17:03.31 | dutchfish | !sarge->etch |
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| 17:03.54 | dutchfish | !tell h8tr1 about sarge->etch |
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| 17:04.36 | Evet | Do you suggest a WYSWYG html editor? |
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| 17:06.17 | rudi_s | Evet: No. Use Emacs/Vim ;-) |
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| 17:06.39 | Evet | :) |
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| 17:07.18 | h8tr1 | dutchfish: "In general, you should make sure the system is fully up-to-date and "clean" before proceeding with the upgrade." how do I get a working /etc/apt/sources.list for sarge to do that? |
| 17:07.47 | dutchfish | h8tr1, by altering it to a working repo |
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| 17:08.01 | ranix | !tell h8tr1 -about sources.list |
| 17:08.09 | ranix | h8tr1: also see man sources.list |
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| 17:10.39 | h8tr1 | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 17:10.39 | h8tr1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.39 | h8tr1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:12.01 | muhoo | how can i peg packages that i've compiled myself, so they don't get replaced by stuff from the repository? |
| 17:12.41 | muhoo | i.e. i have a few that i've optimized for my cpu, and i don't want them to get replaced by i386 packages when i apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:13.18 | dutchfish | !muhoo about hold |
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| 17:13.37 | muhoo | thx |
| 17:13.39 | pist_ | a |
| 17:13.49 | h8tr1 | ffs where can i get list of working repositories - why is this so difficult? sorry ... very frustrated |
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| 17:14.10 | dutchfish | h8tr1, hold on i google one up |
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| 17:14.23 | h8tr1 | thx much for the help - my google searches went no where |
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| 17:14.46 | Evet | I cant install Flash Player Plugin, is there another solution? |
| 17:15.17 | dutchfish | h8tr1, dont use the word stable use the word sarge or etch instead http://www.bononia.it/sources-list.html |
| 17:15.24 | h8tr1 | dutchfish: current one: http://pastebin.org/7282 |
| 17:15.40 | trifler | Evet: you can use umm clive to download the content and whatch offline using mplayer or such. |
| 17:16.22 | bwlang | anybody know of some tools to help main two systems in the same state (i want my test server to very closely match my production server) dpkg --set-selections is fine for getting going, but i'd like something that will help me maintain the two systems in parallel. |
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| 17:16.34 | dutchfish | h8tr1, thats why i aboid the words stable and use the appropriate naming convetion ie sarge/etch/lenny/squeeze |
| 17:16.44 | dutchfish | s/aboid/avoid |
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| 17:17.24 | dutchfish | but if this box that old (sarge) why not reinstall after backing up? |
| 17:17.40 | fxiny | !aptitude clone |
| 17:17.41 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
| 17:17.53 | dutchfish | fxiny, thanks! |
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| 17:18.02 | h8tr1 | dutchfish: |
| 17:18.04 | h8tr1 | Err http://ftp.bononia.it stable/non-US/main Packages |
| 17:18.04 | h8tr1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.07 | fxiny | Evet: are you running lenny ? |
| 17:18.08 | ranix | using the word "stable" has a similar but much less pronounced problem as "!moving target", h8tr1 |
| 17:18.11 | fxiny | dutchfish: np |
| 17:18.25 | stew | h8tr1: there is no such thing as non-US anymore |
| 17:18.26 | microtux | can someone help me on FAI cd creation ? |
| 17:18.26 | Evet | fxiny, yes |
| 17:18.30 | dutchfish | h8tr1, you much choose an apropriate mirror from where you live |
| 17:18.37 | fxiny | Evet: 64 or 32 bit ? |
| 17:18.43 | Evet | 64bit |
| 17:18.47 | fxiny | i see |
| 17:18.53 | lucas_ | I managed to run debootstrap from within the chip I'm using itself, and that seemed to work - I can now boot the thing |
| 17:18.56 | dutchfish | h8tr1, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 17:19.07 | lucas_ | except, after it finishes its initial stuff, the serial console I'm using dies |
| 17:19.13 | Evet | fxiny, why? u have same problem? |
| 17:19.31 | lucas_ | is there anything else I need to do to enable ttyS0 besides adding a line to initterm or whatever it's called? |
| 17:19.44 | fxiny | Evet: nope , 32 here . i use dmm flash |
| 17:20.16 | Evet | fxiny, dmm flash, what is it for? |
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| 17:21.20 | dutchfish | lucas_, did you try export TERM=xterm-color ? |
| 17:21.50 | lucas_ | the other working Debian installation uses vt100 in its initterm line and seems to work fine |
| 17:21.52 | fxiny | !tell Evet about dmm |
| 17:22.23 | Evet | thanks, fxiny |
| 17:22.41 | dutchfish | lucas_, is this a armel? |
| 17:22.58 | fxiny | Evet: np |
| 17:23.47 | lucas_ | yeah, it's running on a Verdex, which uses a PXEsomething |
| 17:23.56 | lucas_ | ARM5TDMI ? |
| 17:24.10 | dutchfish | lucas_, http://ted.openavr.org/Lenny-on-ts7390/ |
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| 17:25.05 | lucas_ | yeah, this is a bit specific to a certain chip |
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| 17:25.40 | lucas_ | oh |
| 17:25.40 | fxiny | bwlang: apt-cache show jablicator |
| 17:25.47 | dutchfish | lucas_, but the procedure to alter mtab respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyAM0 115200 vt100 should be simular |
| 17:25.50 | lucas_ | ttyS0 should be added to /etc/securetty |
| 17:26.01 | fxiny | bwlang: i had a quick go with it in etch |
| 17:26.05 | h8tr1 | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
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| 17:26.28 | bwlang | fxiny: thanks - i'll have a look ... why did you abandon it? |
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| 17:26.50 | dutchfish | h8tr1, aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:26.51 | action09 | oy |
| 17:27.01 | h8tr1 | dutchfish: i heart u |
| 17:27.08 | fxiny | bwlang: there is nothing wrong with it . i liked it |
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| 17:28.18 | dutchfish | !make me coffee |
| 17:28.18 | dpkg | brews a nice hot cup of coffee for dutchfish |
| 17:28.55 | jessen | I compile a few packages myself using apt-get source. Is there an easy way to update all these custom packages at once? |
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| 17:29.43 | dutchfish | jessen, depends on the naming convention and version also pinning and hold .... |
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| 17:30.53 | dutchfish | jessen, if not pinned or hold then a simple aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade would do if there are newer versions |
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| 17:31.13 | jessen | dutchfish, how so? I don't use an /etc/apt/preferences file, I stick with just one release version |
| 17:31.24 | nichos | hi all, im making a liveCD with remastersys. It's working great, but I'd like to leave the automatic login with GDM (which is working) but disable the console logins. Currenty, it logs in 6 consoles automatically |
| 17:31.46 | dutchfish | jessen, well then, otherwise you could aptitude reinstall foo, that would reinstall the curent version |
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| 17:34.31 | Samonoske | Hey.. I just ran apt-get upgrade... After the packages try and install clamav shows basically like an info page.. besides ctr+z how do I get out of the page without cancelling the process/my upgrades?? |
| 17:34.50 | h8tr1 | sends coffee to dutchfish via carrier pidgeon |
| 17:35.03 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 17:36.23 | dutchfish | Samonoske, i believe its just q |
| 17:36.26 | helix__ | Hello everyone, I'm currenty using a 2-disks RAID1 + LVM2, each disk with 3 partitions : sda1 (boot+system), sda2 (swap), sda3 (data). My question is : sda3 & sdb3 have the same UUID, is it normal ? |
| 17:36.58 | Samonoske | Thanks dutchfish that as it.. :) |
| 17:37.06 | dutchfish | Samonoske, yw |
| 17:37.07 | Samonoske | was* |
| 17:37.18 | nichos | hi all, im making a liveCD with remastersys. It's working great, but I'd like to leave the automatic login with GDM (which is working) but disable the console logins. Currenty, it logs in 6 consoles automatically |
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| 17:38.57 | dutchfish | helix__, i believe so, but check pvdisplay and lvdisplay |
| 17:39.19 | dutchfish | helix__, or vgdisplay |
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| 17:39.47 | helix__ | dutchfish: /dev/md1 is in PV, the problem is into the MD Raid : with sd{a,b}3 |
| 17:40.22 | dutchfish | helix__, cant help you with thta i only use hwraid |
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| 17:41.25 | helix__ | dutchfish: ok, thanks still |
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| 17:43.14 | dutchfish | !tell helix__ about software raid |
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| 17:44.20 | helix__ | dutchfish: I've already read all the available docs, even the Documentation/md.txt inside the kernel tree |
| 17:44.39 | dutchfish | helix__, any error logs? |
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| 17:47.00 | helix__ | dutchfish: no error log |
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| 17:49.18 | dutchfish | helix__, is this a lenny system? |
| 17:49.52 | helix__ | dutchfish: nope, it's an ubuntu 9.04 (don't slap me !) |
| 17:50.34 | dutchfish | helix__, on 2.6.28-14? |
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| 17:50.52 | helix__ | dutchfish: 2.6.28-15 |
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| 17:51.32 | dutchfish | helix__, i would help if i could, but it to far of what i know, maybe try #ubuntu ? |
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| 17:51.55 | lucas_ | I finally have everything working, it would seem |
| 17:52.15 | dutchfish | lucas_, nice work :) |
| 17:52.18 | lucas_ | now why isn't Linux detecting modules stored at /lib/modules/`uname -r`? |
| 17:52.25 | helix__ | dutchfish: I'll try ##linux chan instead, thanks |
| 17:52.32 | lucas_ | I can install them manually with insmod |
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| 17:52.39 | dutchfish | lucas_, dangling links in / ? |
| 17:52.52 | stew | lucas_: have you run "depmod -a" ? |
| 17:53.14 | jungleboy | hello, i have Disk quota exceeded, how to get tree list with each size |
| 17:53.41 | jungleboy | * how to get folder list with each size? |
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| 17:54.13 | lucas_ | depmod -a did the trick |
| 17:54.15 | Sevalecan | I have both sid and squeeze in my /etc/apt/sources list shown here http://pastebin.com/d24afc2d0 and pinning set up in /etc/apt/preferences as shown here: http://pastebin.com/d7337efe6 , but both apt-get and aptitude both want to upgrade packages to versions of sid from squeeze, and I've run apt-get update and whatnot several times already as well. |
| 17:54.24 | lucas_ | did that update some sort of list? will that persist across reboots? |
| 17:54.31 | lucas_ | well, only one way to find out I guess |
| 17:54.32 | asg | jungleboy: du |
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| 17:55.23 | lucas_ | yep! |
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| 17:56.08 | lucas_ | just gotta throw ssh on this thing, disable the automatic time setting stuff in init (since there's no system time on the device) |
| 17:56.08 | lucas_ | and use it |
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| 17:59.25 | lucas_ | does debian have anything like rc.conf / rc.local.conf in FreeBSD? where almost all startup scripts are invoked indirectly from a single config file |
| 18:00.31 | rozie | lucas_: /etc/rc* |
| 18:00.48 | rozie | for each runlevel |
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| 18:01.03 | rozie | also, take a look at rcconf |
| 18:01.13 | lucas_ | thanks |
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| 18:02.05 | dmoerner | lucas_: file-rc. but it's probably going to die in the next few weeks unless someone steps up and rewrites it for dependency-based boot |
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| 18:03.28 | ranix | lucas_: /etc/rc* are preferred to file-rc, by the way |
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| 18:03.34 | ranix | as a matter of convention |
| 18:03.42 | shivraj | does testing have an upgraded xorg ? |
| 18:03.47 | shivraj | does mouse work better ? |
| 18:03.56 | ranix | judd: versions xserver-xorg |
| 18:03.56 | judd | ranix: xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 squeeze: 1:7.3+19 sid: 1:7.4+3 |
| 18:04.20 | ranix | shivraj: are you having a problem with your mouse? |
| 18:04.39 | shivraj | yeah, it sucks, .... too linear, I hear there is a log effect in the new version |
| 18:04.58 | ranix | ah you use mouse acceleration |
| 18:05.26 | ranix | shivraj: check xset |
| 18:05.28 | shivraj | ranix: that sucks, ... no matter what I put it to it sucks, right now its all the way up and sensitivity down, thats the best setting for me |
| 18:06.15 | Sevalecan | solved my problem :P |
| 18:06.17 | Sevalecan | not that anyone probably noticed ;) |
| 18:06.39 | ranix | that's very strange, shivraj |
| 18:06.50 | ranix | I can't imaging using a mouse like that |
| 18:06.51 | dutchfish | shivraj, does you mouse have resolution switching, becayse mine has, and its hard to run it on old xserver-xorg |
| 18:08.20 | shivraj | dutchfish: its a regular ms optical mouse |
| 18:08.47 | dutchfish | ShiFTKey, that one sould work out of the box |
| 18:09.04 | dutchfish | oops was meant for shivraj |
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| 18:10.26 | shivraj | dutchfish: it works, though I think its horrible. this thing needs work ... |
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| 18:10.50 | dutchfish | shivraj, did you try it with xset m 2 2 ? |
| 18:11.35 | dutchfish | shivraj, fyi it means xset m speed accel |
| 18:11.55 | jungleboy | guys, i got "/dev/simfs 18446744069465426236 18446744069415200997 50225239 100% /" after command "df -i", how to clean up it? |
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| 18:26.44 | shivraj | dutchfish: I just upgraded to testing, (being optimistic when I say upgrade, hope no major bugs).. mouse is better ... I think they made the mouse feel more non-linear .. |
| 18:27.08 | dutchfish | nods to shivraj |
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| 18:28.08 | dutchfish | shivraj, i am running squeeze now for about 3 months, i must admit its quiet good to handle |
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| 18:29.16 | dutchfish | shivraj, but it is still ... ehe ... testing |
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| 18:32.32 | shivraj | dutchfish: whats squeeze ? |
| 18:32.38 | shivraj | !squeeze |
| 18:32.38 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 Will be known as Debian 6.0. |
| 18:32.49 | ajavid | alien |
| 18:33.25 | chavodelocho | The parameter "metric" of the command route, is supported for the last Debian kernel? |
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| 18:34.30 | dutchfish | chavodelocho, in debian squeeze it is, dont know fo lenny |
| 18:34.47 | dutchfish | chavodelocho, man route |
| 18:34.47 | stew | it is? I thought that was always ignored in linux |
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| 18:36.10 | dutchfish | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=235993 |
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| 18:40.38 | Saz|Laptop | I need to recover some files that were deleted, and I was wondering if I could use my secondary hard drive that's part of a software RAID to get them back, as mdadm hasnt synced yet |
| 18:41.43 | chavodelocho | dutchfish, the man say about the recently kernels, I'd like to use this function to have a backup connections of internet |
| 18:41.47 | Saz|Laptop | i need to know if such a thing is possible |
| 18:41.59 | ranix | Saz|Laptop: that sounds like a great way to fubar a lot more than some files |
| 18:42.09 | ranix | what kind of raid are you talking about |
| 18:42.09 | stew | chavodelocho: /msg dpkg split access |
| 18:42.18 | Saz|Laptop | ranix, software raid1 |
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| 18:42.57 | ranix | Saz|Laptop: it might be possible, but certainly not recommended |
| 18:43.02 | ranix | at the very least it's very wrong |
| 18:43.05 | chavodelocho | stew, sorry, I don't understand |
| 18:43.13 | dutchfish | chavodelocho, i have tested it myself on 2.6.29, 2.6.30-1..4 with debina pathches on squeeze for a bridged firewall and i can confirm that it works on those |
| 18:43.14 | Saz|Laptop | the files arent important to *me* specifically, just some clients that had their site nuked by a script kiddy and werent smart emough to make backups |
| 18:43.22 | dutchfish | s/debina/debian |
| 18:43.30 | Saz|Laptop | so if it can very well screw up my drive then it's not worth it |
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| 18:43.39 | ranix | Saz|Laptop: I wouldn't try it if I were you |
| 18:43.47 | Saz|Laptop | any other options I can give them? the filesystem is ext3 |
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| 18:44.37 | ranix | Saz|Laptop: you can bring down one of the drives and use an undeleter to attempt to retrieve the files |
| 18:44.51 | ranix | Saz|Laptop: IIRC, files in ext3 aren't shredded upon delete, the inode is simply unlinked |
| 18:45.03 | ranix | Saz|Laptop: so the file may very well still be there if it hasn't been overwritten |
| 18:45.12 | Saz|Laptop | ranix, so just mark the partitions as degraded in mdadm? |
| 18:45.17 | ranix | Saz|Laptop: this is a service I would charge an arm and a leg for |
| 18:45.30 | ranix | I'm not familiar with the procedure for bringing down a member of a raid 1 in mdadm |
| 18:45.47 | Saz|Laptop | yeah, I know ext3 file recovery isnt cheap |
| 18:45.55 | Saz|Laptop | and the best method is to restore each file by hand, one by one |
| 18:46.00 | ranix | yes |
| 18:46.28 | ranix | and remember, if the script kiddie modified rather than deleted the files |
| 18:46.31 | ranix | they're SOL |
| 18:47.06 | Saz|Laptop | they were just deleted from what I can tell |
| 18:48.00 | chavodelocho | dutchfish, sounds good! I configured two default gateways with different metrics, but when the number0 be down, the second don't up, with Debian lenny kernel 2.26 |
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| 18:48.35 | stew | chavodelocho: you can't have two default gateways in the same routing table: /msg dpkg split access |
| 18:48.51 | stew | (well you can, as you do, but it won't do what you want) |
| 18:49.14 | ranix | you could round-robin the gateways |
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| 18:49.47 | honschu | Hi, how to install the build-dependencies of a package. For example: I got sourcecode of asclock by "apt-get source asclock". Now I would like to install the packages to compile/build this package. |
| 18:49.47 | chavodelocho | stew, humm all right, what is "/msg dpkg split access"? |
| 18:50.06 | stew | dpkg: tell chavodelocho about split access |
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| 18:50.38 | chavodelocho | stew, I'm a little newbie in irc... |
| 18:51.04 | stew | chavodelocho: that's find :) the bot named dpkg should have just sent you a message, did you see it? |
| 18:51.23 | Balthazar | hi, I would like to know what I must protect to avert malicious users who have SSH accounts in my Debian Lenny please |
| 18:51.41 | lcuk | your wife |
| 18:52.04 | lcuk | if they have accounts |
| 18:52.07 | ranix | chavodelocho: split access, load balancing, and failover wan access are somewhat high-level concepts, FYI |
| 18:52.10 | stew | Balthazar: you should remove their accounts |
| 18:52.11 | lcuk | they could get into your firewall |
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| 18:52.54 | dutchfish | chavodelocho, i have doen exactly that in a bridge setup, but no 2 default GW instead a heartbeath mechnism for failover |
| 18:53.16 | chavodelocho | stew, yes! i'm reading now hehe |
| 18:53.25 | Balthazar | no stew because everyone isn't malicious |
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| 18:53.41 | stew | Balthazar: remove the users that are malicious |
| 18:53.42 | lcuk | then why are you needing to protect yourself |
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| 18:54.31 | lcuk | either they have root, or they dont |
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| 18:55.04 | stew | Balthazar: but, if the malicious users have already had access to your box, you should probably wipe the box and start over |
| 18:55.15 | Balthazar | stew but I don't know who is malicious, it's to prevent damage that is often done at a machine. |
| 18:55.26 | stew | Balthazar: yeah, then wipe the box and start over |
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| 18:55.43 | lcuk | what kind of damage |
| 18:55.44 | ranix | !tell Balthazar about permissions |
| 18:55.47 | ranix | !tell Balthazar about harden |
| 18:55.53 | stew | its too late for that |
| 18:56.03 | lcuk | for next time its not |
| 18:56.12 | ranix | Balthazar: start by reading that, then nuke the box, then work up |
| 18:56.28 | lcuk | but what kind of damage is being sustained |
| 18:56.29 | stew | as long as somewhere in there it says "don't give malicious users access to you box via ssh" |
| 18:56.35 | lcuk | are they wiping their user accounts |
| 18:56.38 | stew | lcuk: how could he possibly know? |
| 18:56.40 | lcuk | or are they killing box |
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| 18:57.42 | lcuk | he just said he wants to prevent damage often done to machine |
| 18:57.51 | lcuk | that implies its damaged in a way he recognises |
| 18:57.51 | Balthazar | thanks you ranix |
| 18:57.54 | lcuk | else he wouldnt be asking |
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| 18:58.07 | stew | the problem is the ways they damaged the box he isn't recognizing |
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| 18:58.12 | chavodelocho | dutchfish, that's ok |
| 18:58.28 | chavodelocho | ranix, yes, is not too simple... |
| 18:58.56 | ranix | Balthazar: just remember, security starts at the beginning and you can never start it from the middle |
| 18:59.13 | ranix | Balthazar: so securing a box that has been insecure for awhile should always start with a fresh install |
| 18:59.35 | dutchfish | chavodelocho, why not do something like this? http://debian.pastebin.com/m1f486e5d |
| 19:00.20 | lcuk | ranix, what if the damage is just users destroying thei own stuff and its already hardened against normal things |
| 19:00.36 | lcuk | its like students killing their accounts |
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| 19:00.52 | lcuk | its a different solution beyond what normal hardening would achieve |
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| 19:01.42 | chavodelocho | dutchfish, :o), looks simple |
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| 19:02.10 | dutchfish | chavodelocho, its quick and dirty you surely can improv eit, but it works |
| 19:02.38 | Balthazar | ranix ok i will maybe reinstall |
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| 19:03.21 | chavodelocho | make sense... I will try... |
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| 19:04.27 | Kuifje111 | hello all. |
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| 19:05.25 | Kuifje111 | is it possible to check what type of USB ports are in your PC by executing a command? |
| 19:05.29 | dutchfish | chavodelocho, fyi you have to put it in cron.d and let it execute in decent time steps after editing it to your needs |
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| 19:07.47 | dutchfish | chavodelocho, error: put a small file in cron.d with apropriate invocations that execute the first script |
| 19:08.15 | Kuifje111 | never mind, found it. |
| 19:08.20 | mns_ | Is there a network manager (non-GNOME/non-KDE) that I can use that will let me use both wired and wireless interfaces at the same time ? I've got WICD, but that only lets me use one interface at a time. I'm running Debian/squeeze |
| 19:08.21 | Kuifje111 | lspci | grep USB |
| 19:08.46 | dutchfish | Kuifje111, lsusb -vv |
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| 19:10.00 | justin | mns_: configure things manually in /etc/apt/sources.list and it'll let you do whatever you want |
| 19:10.20 | Kuifje111 | another question: is there a way to update installed packages with a command (apt-get update for example?) or do you just need to do apt-get uodate and then install the new packages with apt-get install <package>? |
| 19:10.41 | mns | Kuifje111: aptitude update ; aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 19:11.10 | Kuifje111 | aptitude update <package>? |
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| 19:11.21 | mns | justin: I'm not sure I understand the connection between sources.list and having a network manager. |
| 19:11.34 | justin | mns: there isn't one? |
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| 19:12.02 | mns | Kuifje111: no .. just "aptitude update" or if you want apt-get update and then aptitude sage-upgrade. |
| 19:12.37 | twobitsprite | maybe this is a shot in the dark, but is there a faster way to find files on NFS mounts? i.e., find(1) is natually single-threaded and will be very sensitive to network latency; is there some way to make find multi-threaded, or another tool which might be better? |
| 19:12.38 | EmleyMoor | sage-upgrade? Is that herbal or financial? <g> |
| 19:12.40 | chavodelocho | dutchfish, all right! |
| 19:12.46 | mns | lol EmleyMoor |
| 19:12.48 | honschu | Hi, I fixed a bug in asclock and built the new package. installed it with dpkg -i. But now aptitude want's to replace it with the original one from the server. what should I do? Set it to "hold"? Is this the official method? |
| 19:13.04 | mns | typo -> safe-upgrade |
| 19:13.30 | dutchfish | !tell honschu about hold |
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| 19:14.13 | aboyz | anyone know of a free dns service that does URL redirection? |
| 19:14.13 | Kuifje111 | mns: I assume that will update all applications, won't it? Is it also possible to update one particular application? |
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| 19:15.02 | Graf | aboyz: isn't it "bind"& |
| 19:15.05 | Graf | ? |
| 19:15.22 | aboyz | i don't want to do my own bind |
| 19:15.30 | twobitsprite | Graf: I think he's talking about someone's bind |
| 19:15.56 | twobitsprite | aboyz: the only free dns service I know of are the dyndns type of services, but those are for subdomains only |
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| 19:16.04 | mns | Kuifje111: update will only update repository information, not the applications. safe-upgrade will upgrade all the packages that need to be upgraded. I am not aware of a way to upgrade just one application. |
| 19:16.26 | Kuifje111 | mns: okay, thanks for your help. |
| 19:16.33 | Graf | mns: apt-get install ? |
| 19:16.38 | aboyz | twobitsprite. yeah. damn i need main and sub |
| 19:16.53 | Graf | mns:will upgrade just one ^) |
| 19:17.00 | twobitsprite | aboyz: also, are you looking for just domain registration, or DNS resolution as well? |
| 19:17.12 | aboyz | both |
| 19:17.16 | aboyz | not domain registration |
| 19:17.18 | mns | graf: it will ? cool learn something new everyday .... |
| 19:17.25 | aboyz | i just need to point my domain name to two name server |
| 19:17.31 | aboyz | and have that server do url redirection |
| 19:17.44 | twobitsprite | yeah... good luck... DNS requires bandwidth and server space, neither of which are free |
| 19:17.45 | dutchfish | mns, thats called a whois server |
| 19:17.55 | aboyz | i don't need server space |
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| 19:18.00 | Graf | mns: apt-get install xxx will install xxx, if it wasn't or upgrade it, if it was already been installed |
| 19:18.03 | aboyz | i just want it to redirct to somewhere else |
| 19:18.09 | twobitsprite | I meant... it needs to live on a server, which consumes power and physical space |
| 19:18.18 | justin | aboyz: most domain registrars will do basic things like that these days |
| 19:18.20 | justin | aboyz: for "free" |
| 19:18.26 | dutchfish | mns, sorry was meant for aboyz |
| 19:18.28 | aboyz | jutin, yeah mine doesn't!! |
| 19:18.33 | aboyz | that suck.. i know godaddy does that |
| 19:18.34 | justin | aboyz: sucks |
| 19:18.45 | aboyz | my is lame.. need to change host |
| 19:18.48 | twobitsprite | justin: I've never heard of free DNS services.. which ones do that? |
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| 19:19.00 | justin | twobitsprite: a lot of them do |
| 19:19.01 | aboyz | twobit when you register your domain name with most host |
| 19:19.04 | aboyz | it does it for you |
| 19:19.15 | aboyz | its free if you use their name server |
| 19:19.18 | mns | dutchfish: I was scratching my head over that one. thanks for making me feel idiotic. |
| 19:19.29 | twobitsprite | ohh... you mean actual web hosts which do that for free.. |
| 19:19.31 | aboyz | my just don't have that function.. |
| 19:19.33 | dutchfish | mns, sorry was not intentional |
| 19:19.37 | justin | twobitsprite: no |
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| 19:19.39 | aboyz | not website.. your registrar |
| 19:19.41 | mns | no worries :) |
| 19:19.44 | aboyz | like godaddy |
| 19:19.54 | twobitsprite | ok... I thought godaddy was a web host |
| 19:20.09 | aboyz | it is a webhost but also a registrar to reigste domain name |
| 19:20.14 | aboyz | web host cost more money |
| 19:20.14 | twobitsprite | so, if I have a domain, and move it to godaddy, I get free DNS resolution? |
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| 19:20.27 | Graf | omg, i've not been in mirc for... about 10 years already. And now i can't work ^) |
| 19:20.28 | aboyz | twob yes you do |
| 19:20.33 | twobitsprite | shootr |
| 19:20.40 | twobitsprite | how much does it cost to register with them? |
| 19:20.45 | aboyz | cheap |
| 19:21.10 | dutchfish | aboyz, if you have registered a domain, any registrar will point the records to your desired nameservers, but they need to comply, and the good ones dont come free |
| 19:21.33 | bwlang | is there some way to avoid building the docs in the postgresql package... they need about 500M of tex that i don't really want to install. |
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| 19:22.16 | ranix | By the way, do not use godaddy |
| 19:22.31 | ranix | use just about anything else |
| 19:25.30 | Tommy\DO | is dpkgbot muted? |
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| 19:25.58 | JPT | nope... |
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| 19:26.13 | Tommy\DO | well, it does not answer my requests |
| 19:26.19 | JPT | mh |
| 19:26.24 | JPT | !help |
| 19:26.33 | JPT | it responds to mine |
| 19:26.45 | JPT | check your query |
| 19:26.49 | JPT | or something |
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| 19:27.10 | Tommy\DO | as i said, it does not answer |
| 19:27.48 | JPT | err |
| 19:27.52 | JPT | probably it's your backslash |
| 19:28.02 | JPT | i don't know whether the bot eliminates it |
| 19:28.09 | JPT | but my client is doing that |
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| 19:28.28 | JPT | ok |
| 19:28.37 | JPT | hmm |
| 19:28.53 | JPT | !tell Tommy\DO about apt |
| 19:29.05 | JPT | did that work? |
| 19:29.21 | Tommy\DO | yeah, it did :? |
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| 19:29.24 | JPT | hm |
| 19:29.30 | JPT | the bot might be ignoring you |
| 19:29.33 | JPT | or there's something wrong |
| 19:29.38 | JPT | i don't know |
| 19:30.19 | Tommy\DO | could be |
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| 19:31.20 | Tommy\DO | !help |
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| 19:31.35 | Tommy\DO | well, it does not even respond to my public requests |
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| 19:31.39 | JPT | hm |
| 19:31.55 | JPT | it might be the backslash..but i cannot confirm that ;) |
| 19:32.34 | Tommy\DO | there is no backslash in a public request |
| 19:32.58 | JPT | i've written some irc bots in php.. |
| 19:33.06 | JPT | your nick contains a backslash |
| 19:33.26 | JPT | and depending on how the parser and bot works, it is slightly possible that the backslash is being escaped |
| 19:33.31 | JPT | but that's a guess |
| 19:33.35 | Tommy\DO | oh, you're talking about the nickname |
| 19:33.40 | JPT | hehe |
| 19:33.45 | JPT | just try it |
| 19:33.47 | lucas_ | why isn't udev mounted automatically? |
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| 19:34.02 | lucas_ | googling around apparently there's some script that's supposed to enable it, but that doesn't exist |
| 19:34.23 | Tommy\DO | JPT: you're right. it is the nickname |
| 19:34.26 | JPT | lol |
| 19:34.27 | JPT | okay |
| 19:34.43 | dutchfish | lucas_, maybe it does not recognize that the systems runs its own kernel, you cant run udev in a chroot either |
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| 19:35.51 | _lilibox_ | hi |
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| 19:35.57 | _lilibox_ | i would like to ask one thing |
| 19:36.04 | JPT | ask :) |
| 19:36.10 | dutchfish | !tell lucas_ about udev details |
| 19:36.12 | _lilibox_ | i had installed debian core |
| 19:36.14 | JPT | metaquestions just waste your time :) |
| 19:36.27 | _lilibox_ | i have not access at internet from this installation |
| 19:36.35 | lucas_ | oh, has to be installed first |
| 19:36.41 | lucas_ | wasn't expecting that |
| 19:36.42 | _lilibox_ | i "harwested" all .debs i need to install php5 |
| 19:36.54 | _lilibox_ | and moved them to debian non internet machine |
| 19:37.05 | _lilibox_ | i need to install php5 any easy effective way |
| 19:37.23 | _lilibox_ | how to created Package.gz file in this install folder |
| 19:37.30 | _lilibox_ | i could use apt-get install ... |
| 19:37.31 | _lilibox_ | ? |
| 19:37.49 | _lilibox_ | my current way is use dpkg -i ......deb |
| 19:37.54 | _lilibox_ | and it is painfull and slow |
| 19:38.07 | _lilibox_ | couse i must manualy install all dependensies first :-) |
| 19:38.10 | ranix | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 19:38.10 | dpkg | package *.deb is already installed |
| 19:38.32 | _lilibox_ | ranix :-) |
| 19:38.48 | JPT | *.deb is really helpful there ^^ |
| 19:38.51 | _lilibox_ | wow, this thread is slowly going to by my lovely :-) |
| 19:39.03 | ranix | by my lovely AJ PLAU! |
| 19:39.03 | _lilibox_ | if it works ;-) |
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| 19:39.45 | _lilibox_ | but i must run it many times |
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| 19:40.13 | _lilibox_ | if this will try install .deb that needs dependency that is not installed yet |
| 19:40.14 | lucas_ | great. system clock is now correctly set |
| 19:40.16 | _lilibox_ | :-) |
| 19:40.27 | lucas_ | still can't use sftp without getting 'connection closed' though, so no way to transfer files |
| 19:41.09 | lucas_ | nope. nevermind, that's just a result of expired passwords |
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| 19:45.02 | rjent | Greetings I am trying to use d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe string and want the d-i to skip the first partition for a dual boot setup. Does this look correct and if not please advise: http://paste.debian.net/43642/ |
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| 19:50.42 | SparFux | Hi all. |
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| 19:52.57 | SparFux | Are there any tutorials about switching to grub 2? And about all failures which might occur? I feel a bit unsafe about switching to grub 2. |
| 19:53.36 | dutchfish | SparFux, on squeeze, don't (at least not at the moment) |
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| 19:54.45 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 19:54.46 | Titan8990 | SparFux, then don't unless you have reason to |
| 19:54.48 | SparFux | I am using unstable. |
| 19:55.06 | craigevil | SparFux: so am I but i still use grub-legacy |
| 19:55.23 | Titan8990 | SparFux, your using unstable but concerned about an app being unsafe? |
| 19:55.52 | SparFux | Titan: Yes, kind of. :-) |
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| 19:56.43 | KidneyBeans | man why do women always wanne fck me when i'm busy setting up my debian systems :/ |
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| 19:57.01 | craigevil | SparFux: stick with grub-legacy unless you have a good reason tto switch to grub2 |
| 19:57.03 | Titan8990 | SparFux, well, gentoo has the best guide that I have seen, but their wiki has been down all day |
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| 19:58.22 | SparFux | The point is good I think, I should stick with grub-legacy. |
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| 19:59.23 | dutchfish | SparFux, my opinion stick to legacy till it's declared obselete |
| 19:59.42 | dutchfish | SparFux, that might be soon tho |
| 19:59.47 | SparFux | dutchfish: I think it is already declared obsolete. I read some kind of message like this on one debian upgrade. |
| 19:59.59 | dutchfish | SparFux, not yet ;) |
| 20:00.10 | dutchfish | SparFux, at least not within the systems i use |
| 20:00.27 | dutchfish | SparFux, might be in SID, dunno |
| 20:00.30 | craigevil | SparFux: there is a "grub" metapackage that will try to upgrade grub-legacy to grub2 if you have it installed |
| 20:00.33 | SparFux | And a friend of mine started a module for grub2 some day on my demand which will implement crypted filesystems for grub2. That would be cool, because you can use kernels on cryptofs with that:-) |
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| 20:01.43 | Titan8990 | SparFux, what would the benefit be from encrypting /boot? it doesn't contain sensitive data |
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| 20:02.18 | phogg_ | When I log in with gdm and open an xterm I can use e.g. ALT+f to jump forward one word. When I /etc/init.d/gdm stop and then startx as the same user ALT+f in an xterm produces a garbage 'a' character and does not move the cursor. ESC+f jumps forward one ward. How do I fix it? |
| 20:02.20 | zinx | Titan8990: depends on what you use.. it could be useful for tamper previntion if your encryption scheme supports authentication of some sort |
| 20:02.24 | zinx | erh, prevention |
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| 20:03.20 | Titan8990 | zinx, how can encrypting the kernel add tamper prevention if encryption tools are in userspace? |
| 20:03.45 | kiki-the-gecko | is Xorg 7.1 still the current version in lenny? |
| 20:04.01 | zinx | Titan8990: i was assuming something above the kernel |
| 20:04.32 | dutchfish | kiki-the-gecko, http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg.html |
| 20:04.36 | Titan8990 | kiki-the-gecko, ehh, 1.7.3 |
| 20:05.02 | kiki-the-gecko | ok thanks |
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| 20:05.19 | rudi_s | phogg_: Add XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true to ~/.Xdefaults |
| 20:05.57 | phogg_ | rudi_s: I'll try that. But... where does the gdm login process pick it up from? |
| 20:06.34 | phogg_ | rudi_s: that seems to work |
| 20:06.39 | rudi_s | phogg_: I'm not sure, never used gdm. But X should use .Xdefaults. |
| 20:06.43 | rudi_s | Nice ;-) |
| 20:07.03 | Titan8990 | zink, what do you mean by above the kernel? |
| 20:07.20 | Titan8990 | zink, nothing in /boot except for grub config, kernel, and initrd |
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| 20:07.32 | phogg_ | rudi_s: X will, but I don't see why I should have to put it there. grep -r metaSends /etc/X11 /etc/gdm (no results) |
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| 20:08.50 | phogg_ | grepping all uf /usr as a last resort... |
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| 20:10.11 | SparFux | Titan: That's right, but it will hide kernels and so an attacker cannot say whcih os was used. Furthermore it makes it reawlly difficult to alter kernels. |
| 20:10.47 | SparFux | In a cleartext /boot an attacker with access to the harddrive could easily manipulate the linux kernel to open backdoors. |
| 20:11.15 | phogg_ | one could also inject a trojan into your kernel or initrd if you could get some quality time with /boot/ |
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| 20:11.25 | phogg_ | ah yeah, what he said |
| 20:11.32 | dutchfish | phogg_, wasnt that stuff in xmodmap? not sur e... |
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| 20:11.49 | SparFux | I have to go. Thanks for the advice. |
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| 20:12.17 | phogg_ | dutchfish: if it were, what would it be called? |
| 20:12.29 | dutchfish | phogg_, man xmodmap |
| 20:13.11 | phogg_ | dutchfish: meaning "I don't know but you can probably look it up" |
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| 20:13.51 | dutchfish | phogg_, more and more stuff is done automagically by xorg, but i am pretty sure its not with xterm*'s |
| 20:14.15 | dutchfish | phogg_, and yes, i dont know exactly myself, thats true |
| 20:14.18 | phogg_ | dutchfish: if it were automagic it would happen whether you use gdm or not |
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| 20:14.48 | phogg_ | gdm does appear to run load ~/.xmodmap if you have one, which I don't |
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| 20:15.10 | dutchfish | phogg_, i cant check (thats why i am guessing) i use /usr/sbin/gdm-emulatord |
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| 20:15.29 | phogg_ | dutchfish: and what is that? |
| 20:16.07 | dutchfish | phogg_, kdm-gdmcompat |
| 20:16.25 | phogg_ | well that seems largely irrelevant to xmodmap. |
| 20:16.28 | dutchfish | phogg_, i use kdm |
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| 20:16.58 | dutchfish | phogg_, more and more stuff is done automagically by xorg, but i am pretty sure its not with xterm*'s |
| 20:17.14 | phogg_ | yes... I read that before |
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| 20:18.19 | phogg_ | grepping /usr/ recursively has so far taught me that binary xterm matches and that I have a lot of broken symlinks. |
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| 20:19.30 | dutchfish | phogg_, and this happens only only gdm restart? |
| 20:19.30 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:19.39 | onlygucci | you're all giant cunts. |
| 20:20.01 | phogg_ | dutchfish: if I log in via gdm it works as expected. If I stop gdm, log in at the console and startx it behaves inappropriately. |
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| 20:20.27 | dutchfish | phogg_, what happens on /etc/init.d/gdm restart ? |
| 20:20.30 | craigevil | how do you tell aptitude not to install recommends |
| 20:20.49 | phogg_ | craigevil: -r |
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| 20:21.00 | phogg_ | damn it |
| 20:21.02 | phogg_ | craigevil: -R |
| 20:21.16 | phogg_ | dutchfish: why would I do that? |
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| 20:21.22 | craigevil | thanks |
| 20:21.47 | phogg_ | I expect GDM, being stopped, would first complain that it cannot be killed, then start. |
| 20:21.51 | dutchfish | phogg_, well, you could look at least in it ... |
| 20:21.55 | phogg_ | I don't really want to start gdm right now. |
| 20:22.59 | phogg_ | There's a small chance it will screw with my running X and I am not risking killing this xterm until the grep of /usr/ is finished, |
| 20:23.11 | dutchfish | phogg_, fair enough |
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| 20:23.44 | phogg_ | I am sure it's simply something the GDM startup process does that startx doesn't. |
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| 20:23.52 | phogg_ | xterms have the wrong colors when I startx, too |
| 20:24.02 | phogg_ | until I merge XTerm-color |
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| 20:24.22 | phogg_ | and I cannot find where gdm does that, either |
| 20:24.27 | dutchfish | phogg_, and there are a lot of gdm config files like /etc/gdm/Xsession |
| 20:25.23 | dutchfish | phogg_, /etc/gdm/Init/Default my be intresting also 9and sorry again i can not check, i have no gdm ) |
| 20:25.28 | phogg_ | dutchfish: grep -r -i xterm /etc/gdm (nothing relevant), grep -r -i app-def /etc/gdm (nothing) |
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| 20:27.13 | dutchfish | phogg_, ~/.Xresources is another one |
| 20:27.33 | phogg_ | there are some references in Init/Default to xsetkbmap, which might be relevant eventually. |
| 20:27.36 | phogg_ | Looking in to that now |
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| 20:27.57 | phogg_ | dutchfish: if it were my .Xresources file it would just work, because startx would use it too. |
| 20:28.08 | ryushe | Hi there, got a question I can't seem to find the answer for on Google. Is it normal for the /var/lib/mysql directory to contain a public_html dir? |
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| 20:28.16 | dutchfish | phogg_, right .... mmmm... |
| 20:28.19 | Thor^^ | anybody know the location of apachectl? and how to fix this locate error? "locate: can not open '/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory |
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| 20:29.03 | ryushe | Thor^^: probably /usr/sbin/apachectl |
| 20:29.19 | Thor^^ | thank you ryushe :) |
| 20:29.25 | ryushe | Thor^^: did you do a 'which apachectl' ? |
| 20:29.34 | ryushe | should tell you where it lives on the system |
| 20:29.36 | dutchfish | ryushe, apache2.2-common: /usr/sbin/apache2ctl |
| 20:29.52 | ryushe | dutchfish: ? |
| 20:30.28 | Thor^^ | ryushe: the problem is that my machine for some reason root don't find anything in sbin, and locate miserably fails |
| 20:30.52 | Thor^^ | oh and thanks for that which command :) |
| 20:30.55 | dutchfish | Thor^^, bash-completion: /etc/bash_completion.d/apache2ctl |
| 20:30.55 | phogg_ | I love reading random comments |
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| 20:31.13 | phogg_ | from /etc/gdm/Init/Default: " FIXME: is this all right? Is this completely on crack?" |
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| 20:31.25 | ryushe | : hehe |
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| 20:31.45 | phogg_ | and here I'm trying to decide if this is what fixes my keyboard when I use gdm |
| 20:31.54 | dutchfish | phogg_, you might want to check that one, seams not a straight one |
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| 20:32.13 | phogg_ | hmmm? No, it looks okay. |
| 20:32.19 | Thor^^ | thanks for all the help :) |
| 20:32.22 | phogg_ | just a bit worky is all |
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| 20:32.39 | Thor^^ | grrr, forgot to screen irssi |
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| 20:33.50 | dutchfish | .evil |
| 20:34.06 | ryushe | can anyone confirm that the /var/lib/mysql directory contains a public_html directory by default? |
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| 20:34.38 | phogg_ | ryushe: that sounds crazy |
| 20:34.42 | dutchfish | rysheuse packagesearch |
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| 20:35.29 | phogg_ | ryushe: unless for some reason it's someone's (mysql's?) home directory and somehow public_html got created in all home dirs listed in /etc/passwd |
| 20:35.38 | ryushe | phogg_: that's what I would think. Both that one and the /var/lib/clamav dir on my box have a public_html directory I only just noticed. none of my intrusion and/or check tools picked up on the fact that they were created little over a year ago it seems |
| 20:35.41 | Kuifje111 | ryushe: what does that public_html dir contain? |
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| 20:36.11 | ryushe | Kuifje111: nothing |
| 20:36.12 | phogg_ | ryushe: find out if those dirs are listed as home in passwd. If so I would be less worried, though they still probably should be deleted. |
| 20:36.15 | Kuifje111 | ryushe: also do "cat /etc/passwd | grep /var/lib/mysql" and see if it's there. |
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| 20:36.50 | Kuifje111 | ryushe: if it is there, then it's probably no good. |
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| 20:37.06 | phogg_ | Kuifje111: UUOC |
| 20:37.22 | Kuifje111 | phogg_: UUOC? |
| 20:37.22 | ryushe | All I see in /etc/passwd is /var/lib/mysql and /var/lib/clamav listed as home dirs for the respective system users |
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| 20:37.48 | phogg_ | !tell Kuifje111 about UUOC |
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| 20:38.06 | Kuifje111 | ryushe: you could also do this "cd /etc/apache2; grep -r "/var/lib/mysql" |
| 20:38.19 | Kuifje111 | to see if there's a vhost connected to that dir |
| 20:38.30 | phogg_ | ryushe: probably some clever script created public_html for all users and failed to exclude system IDs |
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| 20:39.08 | ryushe | Kuifje111: I sure hope not, I don't remember ever setting up a vhost for those dirs. |
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| 20:39.58 | MartinCleaver | Hi - in which repository might I find xlibs-dev for etch? |
| 20:40.06 | ryushe | phogg_: if so, that's an issue more people should have then. I run a somewhat bog standard stable debian box for hosting purposes. No outlandish custom tools touch this thing. |
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| 20:40.29 | Kuifje111 | MartinCleaver: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 20:40.40 | phogg_ | ryushe: then that is a bit worrying. |
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| 20:41.40 | MartinCleaver | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:42.05 | MartinCleaver | does this have etch as well as lenny packages? |
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| 20:42.17 | MartinCleaver | ah |
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| 20:42.20 | ryushe | crap. I sure hope this is not an indication of what I think it might be, although I can't find any other evidence to support it. No extra files anywhere, outside of files added in the webroot (which is fine), no files altered, no changes in IDs, users nothing. :/ |
| 20:42.20 | Kuifje111 | MartinCleaver: if thats the package you're searching. |
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| 20:42.24 | phogg_ | MartinCleaver: you specified stable, which means lenny. |
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| 20:42.50 | MartinCleaver | Did I say stable? |
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| 20:42.58 | MartinCleaver | anyhow |
| 20:43.04 | Kuifje111 | MartinCleaver: it would do no harm to upgrade your etch system to lenny though.. |
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| 20:43.18 | dutchfish | MartinCleaver, is that the one? http://packages.debian.org/source/oldstable/pxlib |
| 20:43.37 | MartinCleaver | why is it pxlib not xlib? |
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| 20:43.52 | dvinchi666__ | Linux LinuxArch 2.6.30-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 31 18:10:38 UTC 2009 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 215 @ 1.33GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
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| 20:44.37 | MartinCleaver | (please excuse any ignorance I display!) |
| 20:45.02 | ryushe | anyone know of any particularly efficient and current root kit checkers besides rkhunter and chkrootkit? |
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| 20:46.20 | stew | dvinchi666__: please don't do that in here |
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| 20:47.29 | surfer27 | hi guys.. may I ask if anyone can help me getting my parallel port working on debian 5.02? I get following problem: "dmesg|grep par" : "parport_pc 00:05: disabled", "parport_pc: probe of 00:05 failed with error -22", "ppdev: user-space parallel port driver". |
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| 20:48.29 | SPF | surfer27: is the parallel port enabled in the bios? |
| 20:48.42 | surfer27 | @spf: yes ecp/epp |
| 20:49.00 | surfer27 | it works perfectly on windows |
| 20:49.03 | MartinCleaver | I am following http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Installing+Confluence+Standalone+on+Unix+or+Linux and it says I need xlib-dev - which I think is an xwindows thing, not a database thing |
| 20:49.16 | SPF | hmm |
| 20:49.16 | SPF | [ 10.978236] parport_pc: Current parallel port base: 0x378 |
| 20:49.19 | MartinCleaver | http://archive.debian.net/woody/xlibs-dev is an old version of it, I want this for etch |
| 20:49.24 | SPF | my port is working fine |
| 20:50.00 | surfer27 | @spf: I have the same problem on ubuntu 9.04, 8.1 and 8.04. |
| 20:50.12 | stew | MartinCleaver: yes, xlibs-dev is an xwindows thing. its having you install java, which has xwindows dependencies |
| 20:50.26 | SPF | surfer27: are you running lenny? |
| 20:50.40 | surfer27 | SPF: yes. 5.02 |
| 20:50.40 | MartinCleaver | hmm. xlibs vs xlib.. this could be a typo |
| 20:51.10 | stew | MartinCleaver: is there a reason you are running the older etch instead of the current stable named lenny? |
| 20:51.43 | SPF | surfer27: did you have the problem in previous versions? cause I haven't rebooted yet since the last kernel update |
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| 20:51.50 | MartinCleaver | its a xen based server, that I don't touch very often. How long would it take to change to lenny? |
| 20:51.52 | stew | MartinCleaver: this instructions are very out of date |
| 20:52.05 | MartinCleaver | the confluence ones are |
| 20:52.05 | MartinCleaver | ? |
| 20:52.07 | stew | MartinCleaver: yes |
| 20:52.08 | surfer27 | SPF: I did not try the older debian versions. |
| 20:52.38 | MartinCleaver | which bit, stew? |
| 20:52.39 | SPF | surfer27: cause I've been using the parallel port for some time now. I attached it to some I/O. It always worked |
| 20:52.40 | stew | MartinCleaver: they seem to pertain to debian as it was released in 2005 perhaps |
| 20:53.04 | sigmonsays | Is there a way to install all development files for packages that are installed on ur machine? |
| 20:53.26 | sigmonsays | I guess I could whip a script together if PACKAGE and PACKAGE-dev match |
| 20:54.06 | SPF | surfer27: did you have the same problems with a differend kind of linux distro? because ubuntu is based on debian |
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| 20:54.14 | Evet | Which open-source forum software do you suggest? |
| 20:54.19 | stew | MartinCleaver: the part where they are having you install stuff for xwindows r6, we switched to r7 a few years ago |
| 20:54.22 | MartinCleaver | quite possibly, shame: those are the standard they have everyone follow |
| 20:54.46 | surfer27 | SPF: I tried only the 3 ubuntu versions before.. |
| 20:54.50 | MartinCleaver | hmm. well, could it be that they need the r6 libraries? |
| 20:54.56 | lucas_ | forum software is generally awful |
| 20:54.59 | stew | MartinCleaver: we'd also recommend you install the packages for java 1.5 or java 1.6 that debian provides, instead of getting them from sun directly |
| 20:55.05 | lucas_ | there aren't really any exceptions |
| 20:55.11 | MartinCleaver | y, I did actually do that :) |
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| 20:55.17 | lucas_ | I used to run a heavily patched version of kareha |
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| 20:55.35 | stew | MartinCleaver: becuase the package does a lot more and makes it easier to upgrade, switch between versions, remove, etc |
| 20:55.43 | MartinCleaver | y, quite. |
| 20:55.55 | MartinCleaver | hey, is it trivial to upgrade from etch to lenny then? |
| 20:56.04 | MartinCleaver | :) |
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| 20:56.56 | SPF | surfer27: sounds like a compatibility issue. I think it'll work if you have a differend kind of motherboard. This is my guess |
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| 20:57.22 | MartinCleaver | and why, does it seem, there is not an xlibs-dev for etch? |
| 20:57.39 | surfer27 | SPF: I should say I have a notebook.. |
| 20:57.40 | MartinCleaver | or might I be missing a source for apt? |
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| 20:59.06 | surfer27 | SPF: it seems the parallel port is disabled.. how do I enable it? |
| 20:59.18 | dutchfish | http://archive.debian.net/woody/xlibs-dev |
| 20:59.56 | dutchfish | http://archive.debian.net/sarge/xlibs-dev |
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| 21:00.03 | dutchfish | thats it |
| 21:00.20 | workPragmatist | how can I use dig to check records using a specified nameserver? |
| 21:00.24 | SPF | surfer27: if it's enabled in the bios, I don't have a clue |
| 21:00.36 | workPragmatist | like check ns1.mydomain.com has somedomain.com records |
| 21:00.39 | stew | MartinCleaver: xlibs-dev was split into many different pacakges, like x11proto-core-dev |
| 21:00.46 | surfer27 | SPF: ok, thank you. I will try again in the channel |
| 21:00.54 | MartinCleaver | ohh |
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| 21:00.58 | MartinCleaver | thank you |
| 21:01.03 | surfer27 | anyone knows how to fix my parallel port on debian 5.02? I get following problem: "dmesg|grep par" : "parport_pc 00:05: disabled", "parport_pc: probe of 00:05 failed with error -22". |
| 21:01.09 | MartinCleaver | ugh, so which might I actually need, I wonder |
| 21:01.19 | MartinCleaver | I guess I can see what breaks |
| 21:01.54 | stew | MartinCleaver: "apt-cache search -n x11proto" would show you many of the other thigns the xlibs-dev was split into |
| 21:02.11 | stew | MartinCleaver: but if you just install the java packages, i'd think it pulls in what you need |
| 21:02.35 | MartinCleaver | I just noticed (my bad) "For installing X11 dependencies on Ubuntu 8.0.4 LTS, xlibs-dev and xlibs-dbg are deprecated. Try replacing them with the transitional metapackage xlibs-static-dev." |
| 21:02.52 | MartinCleaver | (this was in the comments) |
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| 21:03.02 | MartinCleaver | I guess that will get me beyond this hurdle |
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| 21:03.44 | MartinCleaver | Y: The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 21:03.44 | MartinCleaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.44 | MartinCleaver | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:04.09 | MartinCleaver | blushes |
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| 21:05.00 | stew | MartinCleaver: or just skip ALL of this and install sun-java5-jdk |
| 21:05.09 | stew | (which is, of course, in non-free, not in actual debian0 |
| 21:05.16 | MartinCleaver | y, I did that. |
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| 21:05.28 | stew | MartinCleaver: you did what? |
| 21:05.33 | MartinCleaver | "apt-get install sun-java6-jdk " |
| 21:05.37 | MartinCleaver | a while back |
| 21:05.50 | stew | oh, then you can probably skip all of this |
| 21:05.53 | MartinCleaver | am in 3. Install X11 Dependencies |
| 21:05.57 | MartinCleaver | not 2. |
| 21:06.06 | MartinCleaver | but thanks |
| 21:06.07 | MartinCleaver | :) |
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| 21:07.11 | stew | MartinCleaver: yeah, you skipped 2 and installed a debian package instead. i'm saying that doing that should have taken care of 3 as well |
| 21:07.23 | MartinCleaver | oh |
| 21:07.27 | stew | but whatever |
| 21:07.40 | stew | installing them won't hurt either |
| 21:07.46 | MartinCleaver | if that was the case then surely 3. would have been a no-op? |
| 21:07.54 | MartinCleaver | but it installed stuff in 3. |
| 21:08.04 | MartinCleaver | isn't about to paste to prove it |
| 21:08.24 | dutchfish | !tell MartinCleaver about pastebin |
| 21:08.26 | stew | MartinCleaver: 3 tells you to install packages that don't exist |
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| 21:10.07 | surfer27 | anyone knows how to enable a parallel port? "dmesg|grep par" : "parport_pc 00:05: disabled", "parport_pc: probe of 00:05 failed with error -22" |
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| 21:10.19 | stew | judd: info confluence |
| 21:10.20 | judd | stew: confluence (electronics): is optional; Version: 0.10.6-5+b2; Size: 437.7k; Installed: 3068k -- language for synchronous reactive hardware system design |
| 21:10.26 | MartinCleaver | http://pastebin.com/d3346f0b7 |
| 21:10.35 | stew | MartinCleaver: actually, it looks like you can skip the entire thing and just "aptitude install confluence" |
| 21:10.46 | MartinCleaver | oh, really |
| 21:11.01 | stew | judd: versions confluence |
| 21:11.01 | judd | stew: confluence -- etch: 0.10.6-3 lenny: 0.10.6-5+b2 sid: 0.10.6-6 squeeze: 0.10.6-6 |
| 21:11.05 | stew | MartinCleaver: really |
| 21:11.08 | MartinCleaver | that would be good - how do I tell which version it will install? |
| 21:11.27 | stew | MartinCleaver: look at judd's output |
| 21:11.33 | stew | MartinCleaver: or "apt-cache policy confluence" |
| 21:12.07 | MartinCleaver | well, the download is confluence-3.0.0_01-std.tar.gz |
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| 21:12.28 | stew | MartinCleaver: oh, this might be something else of the same name |
| 21:12.30 | MartinCleaver | how does that relate to 0.10.6-3 ? |
| 21:12.33 | MartinCleaver | ah |
| 21:12.39 | MartinCleaver | ok, nm. :) |
| 21:12.41 | MartinCleaver | thanks though |
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| 21:16.26 | motin_0 | Hi I am trying to install a kernel on a remote server, but it fails to boot. Is there anyway that I can remotely see what boot errors have occurred? |
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| 21:27.37 | kiki-the-gecko | where can I change the keyboard layout? I use wmii. |
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| 21:33.16 | streuner | kiki-the-gecko: look for the website of the WM, there is usually docs there... |
| 21:36.10 | streuner | s/is/are/ |
| 21:37.51 | surfer27 | Does anyone know where shared libraries must reside? I get the following problem now: "proggy: error while loading shared libraries: libblah.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" ... but the lib is in /usr/local/lib .. |
| 21:38.27 | Ace2017_- | hi |
| 21:38.32 | Ace2017_- | has debian stopped supporting arm? |
| 21:38.35 | streuner | surfer27: well, that sucks then |
| 21:38.58 | Z4ndX | Hey ... I forgotten the name af a mmorpg game that iv played some time ago. Its like you choose class like orch and stuff and you play "first person" except the "commander", he has a overview. Any know the name of that game ? |
| 21:39.08 | dondelelcaro | Ace2017_-: it's now armel, yes |
| 21:39.16 | Ace2017_- | armel isn't arm is it? |
| 21:39.17 | streuner | !arch |
| 21:39.18 | dpkg | well, arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system. Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Under lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
| 21:39.29 | streuner | !armel |
| 21:39.30 | dpkg | from memory, armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort . It was released with <lenny>. |
| 21:40.26 | dondelelcaro | Ace2017_-: almost everything arm that is sensible supports EABI |
| 21:40.33 | Ace2017_- | oh |
| 21:40.38 | karsten | apt uses PGP keys to sign package lists, correct? |
| 21:40.41 | karsten | Not packages themselves. |
| 21:40.50 | Ace2017_- | thank you both |
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| 21:41.29 | dondelelcaro | karsten: currently, yes |
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| 21:41.52 | dondelelcaro | karsten: though since the package lists contain the SHA256 and MD5 of the package, it's basically the same thing |
| 21:42.39 | dondelelcaro | (all of the uploads are of course signed too, but that's not generally made available beyond the .dsc files for source packages) |
| 21:42.55 | karsten | OK. This is some internal stuff, trying to track down a missing key. |
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| 21:43.55 | die7 | hi I'm looking for some application as scribd for my deb , any with Idea? |
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| 21:44.03 | die7 | *like |
| 21:44.28 | die7 | pdf and other formats with indexing and viewer |
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| 21:45.30 | LightKnight | Hi -- Debian Squeeze, I'd like to convert my consoles to UTF-8; my locales are fine and X works well. I think it's a font problem; what should I do? |
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| 21:47.13 | markybob | LightKnight, sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 21:47.27 | LightKnight | markybob: OK, let's try :) |
| 21:50.48 | DustyDingo | hm, debian switches do dash as sh? |
| 21:51.05 | markybob | DustyDingo, for non-interactive |
| 21:51.19 | markybob | DustyDingo, bash will still be default for interactive |
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| 21:57.35 | pappanz | hello. I have a problem with my touchpad. It seems too much sensitive (although it is only my feeling) and I cannot use the double-tapping. What could I do? |
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| 21:58.13 | gcosmin | how can i set up my wireless in texmode |
| 21:58.22 | gcosmin | afther I've done a net install |
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| 21:58.31 | markybob | gcosmin, man interfaces |
| 21:58.47 | gcosmin | i've got my drivers and iwconfig |
| 21:59.00 | gcosmin | and wpa_supplicant |
| 22:00.26 | pappanz | even single tapping doesn't work |
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| 22:04.48 | karsten | OK, tracked it down. dondelelcaro thanks. |
| 22:05.23 | ctmjr | gcosmin: is your driver installed and ready to connect? |
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| 22:07.52 | gcosmin | ctmjr yes |
| 22:07.57 | gcosmin | its working fine |
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| 22:08.41 | gcosmin | but I can't set it UP to work with my rooter |
| 22:08.51 | gcosmin | my connection its wap |
| 22:10.59 | ctmjr | gcosmin: iwlist scan |
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| 22:11.16 | gcosmin | it's working |
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| 22:11.29 | Matt- | gcosmin: rooter? |
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| 22:12.14 | gcosmin | I can see 5 rooters |
| 22:12.53 | Matt- | rooters? |
| 22:13.01 | gcosmin | yes mine |
| 22:13.08 | ctmjr | gcosmin: their called routers |
| 22:13.16 | gcosmin | sorry |
| 22:13.20 | gcosmin | routers |
| 22:13.23 | gcosmin | yes |
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| 22:14.25 | MartinCleaver | Hi - I installed apt-get install libmysql-java - Java database (JDBC) driver for MySQL - how can I find out which files this package installed? |
| 22:14.38 | bzed | dpkg -L libmysql-java |
| 22:14.38 | dpkg | No packages found matching libmysql-java |
| 22:14.46 | bzed | dpkg: shutup |
| 22:14.46 | dpkg | yes master, I'll STFU |
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| 22:15.16 | gcosmin | can some one help me up please |
| 22:15.17 | Matt- | :) |
| 22:15.23 | sladi_ | Hi! |
| 22:15.42 | komodo | hi guys, maybe stupid question but how can i install kde 4.3 on testing ? is there any option that can i put into /etc/apt/preferences to enable only kde from unstable ? |
| 22:15.43 | MartinCleaver | ah, thanks bzed |
| 22:16.07 | ctmjr | gcosmin: here this will help you http://www.ghacks.net/2009/04/14/connect-to-a-wireless-network-via-command-line/ |
| 22:16.16 | Graf | rooter - the one who making root! 5 rooter - council! Rootest - super super user :). |
| 22:18.01 | lucas_ | is there any good reason for sshd requiring libX11 and basically everything else? |
| 22:18.13 | lucas_ | besides optional X11 forwarding |
| 22:18.14 | magyar_ | hi, i create a br0 interface and after reboot i lose routing |
| 22:19.20 | markybob | magyar, you need to add it to your interfaces file |
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| 22:19.57 | markybob | magyar, /etc/network/interfaces `man interfaces` |
| 22:20.09 | magyar_ | markybob, i did, the interface is up but cant ping yahoo.com or anything |
| 22:20.13 | Graf | magyar: what for do you created that? |
| 22:20.26 | magyar_ | Graf, virtualbox |
| 22:20.44 | Graf | what says route? |
| 22:21.03 | lurk55 | greetings all... anyone know if the standard debian exim4 package provides domain keys support? i'm getting a log message 'invalid syntax'whenever a message hits the 'control=dk_verify' line. might i need an additional library?? |
| 22:21.48 | gcosmin | ctmjr you are the man |
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| 22:21.51 | gcosmin | !!!! |
| 22:21.52 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 22:22.20 | magyar_ | Graf, >> http://pastebin.ca/1521194 my info |
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| 22:23.42 | Graf | magyar: ifconfig, please |
| 22:24.15 | Graf | magyar: ifconfig, no not needed. |
| 22:24.58 | magyar_ | k |
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| 22:26.51 | magyar_ | Graf, the oddity is, the virtual machine is routing ok, the host is not |
| 22:27.22 | Arafangion | gcosmin: I thought multiple exclaimation marks indicated sarcasm? |
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| 22:28.51 | karsten | How are postinst scripts called? What arguments? |
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| 22:30.04 | karsten | nevermined, it was "configure" |
| 22:30.32 | gcosmin | afther I do a dist-upgrade |
| 22:30.41 | tuantub | karsten: have a loot at : http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts |
| 22:30.52 | gcosmin | how do I update my grub setings |
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| 22:31.16 | gcosmin | ? |
| 22:31.37 | markybob | sudo update-grub |
| 22:31.57 | dondelelcaro | karsten: depends, actually. See http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts |
| 22:32.45 | gcosmin | i've got another linux distro |
| 22:32.53 | markybob | gcosmin, then go away |
| 22:32.53 | gcosmin | it will find that kernel as well |
| 22:33.15 | gcosmin | and add it to my grub ? or not |
| 22:33.23 | cmyers_work | the new amarok in debian unstable sucks =( I miss the old one that "just worked" |
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| 22:33.50 | gcosmin | markybob sometimes it's better to don't say anything |
| 22:34.28 | craigevil | gcosmin: you might have to copy the menu.lst from the other distro to your debian grub menu.lst |
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| 22:35.39 | gcosmin | craigevil I try to learn suse as well and I've update suse's kernel and now I need to update my debian grub as well with that setings |
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| 22:36.10 | lolufail | hey everyone! |
| 22:36.30 | pappanz_ | I installed gsynaptics, it doesn't show in the menu, I executed it with alt+f2. When I enable touchpad tapping it works, but as soon as I reboot it doesn't work anymore... |
| 22:36.36 | Arrowmaster | im using dmraid with a raid1, my fstab is using uuid's and it seems that sometimes on boot it errors trying to check sdb1 because its already in use, would changing fstab to use the /dev/mapper/* devices instead of uuids fix that without causing any negative consequences? |
| 22:36.37 | karsten | tuantub: adanke. |
| 22:36.41 | karsten | dondelelcaro: danke. |
| 22:36.48 | lolufail | am I right, that lenny's grub supports _drives_ over 2tib, and GPT as partition table? |
| 22:36.58 | karsten | wonders if Debian is better. |
| 22:37.17 | tuantub | karsten: :P hier spricht man aber englisch :D |
| 22:37.27 | tuantub | karsten: gern geschehen ;) |
| 22:37.36 | karsten | tuantub: Ja, ja, und das stimmt warum? |
| 22:37.52 | karsten | tuantub: Am aktuels bin ich Amerikaner. |
| 22:38.02 | karsten | ... if that was even comprehensible in German. |
| 22:38.17 | tuantub | karsten: :) |
| 22:38.18 | markybob | lolufail, yes |
| 22:38.18 | streuner | s/aktuels/eigentlich/ |
| 22:38.36 | lolufail | my server hoster installed my server on a 10tib array, I installed a custom kernel, did update-grub, now the machine wont boot |
| 22:38.36 | streuner | karsten: that wasnt that bad |
| 22:38.56 | lolufail | and the hoster says, grub doesnt support that patitioning scheme (which I didnt even touch -.-) |
| 22:39.24 | markybob | lolufail, so long as a single partition is < 2TiB |
| 22:39.27 | streuner | karsten: i told it many times, its always amazing how many people in #de speak german |
| 22:39.42 | karsten | :) |
| 22:39.48 | streuner | karsten: s/#de/#d |
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| 22:40.00 | lolufail | markybob: there's a partition with 8tib, but it booted before I did the update-grub... |
| 22:40.10 | lolufail | should I have payed attention to something?! |
| 22:40.23 | lolufail | or is there a work-aournd? |
| 22:40.45 | gcosmin | if I try apt-get install gnome |
| 22:41.03 | gcosmin | i'll get: couldn't find package gnome |
| 22:41.19 | tuantub | gcosmin: try gnome-desktop |
| 22:41.49 | gcosmin | doesn't work |
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| 22:42.10 | tuantub | gcosmin: gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 22:42.20 | markybob | the package is gnome (or gnome-core if you just want the basics) |
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| 22:42.30 | slidesinger | gcosmin: apt-cache pkgnames | grep gnome |
| 22:42.32 | markybob | you need to check your sources.list and update |
| 22:43.48 | gcosmin | i've got the normal one afther net install |
| 22:43.56 | gcosmin | i've comment cdrom |
| 22:44.04 | gcosmin | and uncomment the other 2 |
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| 22:44.37 | markybob | of course. the other two |
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| 22:45.46 | pappanz__ | no ideas about my touchpad? :( |
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| 22:47.18 | lolufail | lol, is this a integer overflow, or is the partition table broken? (nr, start, end, filesystem, name, flags) from parted: |
| 22:47.18 | lolufail | 5 23075.122 6452.694 primary lvm |
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| 22:52.02 | lolufail | sry, another 3line-dump, please explain this, the whole LVM is empty, what's this then!?? |
| 22:52.02 | lolufail | root@Knoppix:~# pvscan |
| 22:52.03 | lolufail | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.03 | lolufail | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:52.49 | Kuifje111 | wow, you have that much space? |
| 22:53.09 | jelly-home | on an internal controller, even |
| 22:53.23 | lolufail | yes, it's quite expensive ;) |
| 22:53.36 | Kuifje111 | i only have 2tb space |
| 22:53.37 | lolufail | and not mine ;) |
| 22:53.42 | cantido | is that a devfs node? |
| 22:53.44 | lolufail | the other one has 32tb |
| 22:53.50 | jelly-home | cantido: no |
| 22:54.22 | jelly-home | cantido: cciss driver makes devices named like that |
| 22:54.22 | cantido | jelly-home: I saw the c0d0p5 and had a devfs flashback |
| 22:54.24 | lolufail | I'm new to the cciss stuff |
| 22:55.40 | lolufail | so basically, the tech support says, the screen is staying black, so I guess (if there's no "grub loading stage 1.5") that the mbr is borked? |
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| 22:56.15 | jelly-home | lolufail: are you trying to boot from a 10TB array? :-O |
| 22:56.25 | karsten | streuner: Ah, that one. |
| 22:56.25 | lolufail | jelly-home: yes. |
| 22:56.36 | jelly-home | lolufail: whatever happened to system disks! |
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| 22:56.51 | lolufail | jelly-home: I dont know, they didnt put one in. |
| 22:57.06 | cantido | lolufail: that must be some massive machine 4u+? |
| 22:57.22 | jelly-home | lolufail: do you have permission to reconfigure the array? |
| 22:57.29 | lolufail | cantido: 10x1tb |
| 22:57.36 | lolufail | jelly-home: sure |
| 22:57.40 | jelly-home | sata, then |
| 22:57.44 | cantido | lolufail: so it's RAID0? |
| 22:57.51 | lolufail | jelly-home: but I dont wanna waste 1tb for the OS |
| 22:58.09 | lolufail | good point, I was wrong, it's 12x1tb |
| 22:58.12 | lolufail | but raid5 |
| 22:58.14 | lolufail | hm |
| 22:58.20 | cantido | lolufail: people sell server-ready SSD's for that sort of thing |
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| 22:59.32 | lolufail | I can't read the cciss data without the tools I have to compile, I guess they forgot to put in 1 drive |
| 22:59.43 | lolufail | damn them |
| 23:00.04 | lolufail | I dont even have a kvm or serial console -.- |
| 23:00.12 | cantido | you don't get a read out from the controller/option rom menu thingy on boot |
| 23:00.17 | cantido | oh.. |
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| 23:01.06 | lolufail | so everytime I reboot to try something, a tech has to go to the machine, hook up a usb cdrom with _knoppix_ and send me the ssh password |
| 23:01.11 | lolufail | quite ridiculus |
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| 23:01.52 | cantido | lolufail: you can't get a serial port wired from that machine to another machine in the rack or something? |
| 23:02.09 | cantido | or use the baseboard controller |
| 23:03.33 | lolufail | cantido: they have to check with sales dep first, and they dont know what that is, so they have to check with tech, that particular tech is incompetent and tells them, that I can powercycle the machine from the customer panel |
| 23:03.40 | lolufail | and then I go shoot myself |
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| 23:04.54 | cantido | lolufail: so each time the machine reboots it tries to boot from the array, which doesn't work and you need to get the tech to force it to boot from CD? |
| 23:05.14 | lolufail | cantido: awesome, isnt it |
| 23:05.30 | lolufail | but it _did_ work |
| 23:05.38 | lolufail | until update-grubbed |
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| 23:05.52 | lolufail | but I thought update-grub only modifies grub.conf |
| 23:05.54 | cantido | grub probably used embeddeding.. and that's why it's broken now |
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| 23:06.16 | cantido | I mean blocklists, not embedding |
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| 23:06.50 | lolufail | !blocklist |
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| 23:07.28 | lolufail | cantido: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Block-list-syntax.html#Block-list-syntax ? |
| 23:07.30 | cantido | lolufail: did you get any warnings when you did grub-install? |
| 23:07.40 | lolufail | I didn't do grub-install |
| 23:07.53 | cantido | I get ; grub-setup: warn: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible! all the time |
| 23:08.08 | lolufail | cantido: I figured, the hosters privious lenny install did that |
| 23:08.31 | lolufail | maybe I was to quick about it, damnit |
| 23:08.50 | lolufail | so update-grub does call grub-setup ? |
| 23:09.50 | cantido | lolufail: no, but if grub isn't embedded somewhere the bios can find it.. the mbr loader makes a list of disk blocks to load it from disk.. as soon as it moves that list is broken and it doesn't boot anymore |
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| 23:10.14 | cantido | lolufail: that's only one idea though, you said it worked before and doesn't work now.. |
| 23:10.50 | unomystEz_ | how do I prevent mysql from starting up? `update-rc.d mysql remove` ? |
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| 23:11.02 | joesmoje | unomystEz_: update-rc.d -f |
| 23:11.10 | unomystEz_ | why -f? |
| 23:11.22 | cantido | isn't there a disable line in the /etc/defaults/ file for mysql? there is for most things |
| 23:11.28 | unomystEz_ | is there? |
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| 23:11.45 | unomystEz_ | i don't see anything in there |
| 23:11.58 | cantido | looks for a machine with mysql installed |
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| 23:12.33 | cantido | nope, sorry, there doesn't seem to be one for mysql |
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| 23:13.53 | unomystEz_ | I see a whole bunch of mysql scripts in init.d |
| 23:13.58 | unomystEz_ | like mysql-ndb |
| 23:14.06 | unomystEz_ | mysql-ndb-mgm, etc... do I have to remove them all? |
| 23:14.10 | unomystEz_ | or is just mysql sufficient? |
| 23:14.26 | cantido | mysql-ndb will be for mysql-cluster |
| 23:14.38 | unomystEz_ | i don't see mysql-cluster |
| 23:14.39 | cantido | I don't think you need to remove them because it doesn't run by default |
| 23:14.43 | unomystEz_ | ok |
| 23:14.43 | joesmoje | unomystEz_: just -f mysql |
| 23:14.49 | unomystEz_ | I did |
| 23:14.51 | unomystEz_ | just want to make sure |
| 23:14.56 | unomystEz_ | thanks |
| 23:15.10 | fas3r | i have install freeradius eap tls it work great. But can i automatise the install of the ca.der and the p12 certificat with ie or firefox ? |
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| 23:16.01 | fas3r | maybe an activex or something like that ... ? |
| 23:16.21 | antgel_ | what's up all. i know exim and gnutls have some bugs and i've been through them, but nothing on my issue specifically. log is at http://paste.debian.net/43654/. basically, trying to use exim as a server from my Symbian EPOC (Nokia E71) client with TLS results in the really unhelpful "A TLS fatal alert has been received". i've tried with MAIN_TLS_VERIFY_CERTIFICATES = /dev/null and it doesn't appear to help |
| 23:16.32 | antgel_ | !seen abrotman |
| 23:16.32 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7h 37m 44s ago, saying: 'stew: but really the former'. |
| 23:16.39 | cantido | antgel_: the nokia ssl stuff if broken |
| 23:16.51 | cantido | antgel_: I have the same issue with a nokia n95 |
| 23:17.06 | cantido | antgel_: s/nokia/symbian/ |
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| 23:18.06 | jelly-home | !blame gnutls |
| 23:18.06 | dpkg | blames zinx and gnutls for all the evil in the world |
| 23:18.33 | antgel_ | cantido: yes, but there must be a workaround. it used to work, i think. if you read the bug reports for exim4-daemon-heavy, there's loads of gnutls workarounds but nothing that obviously sorts this issue out |
| 23:18.35 | cantido | jelly-home: from the bug reports I read it's because gnutls is actually doing something by the book :/ |
| 23:18.52 | cantido | antgel_: yeah, you rebuild exim with openssl |
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| 23:19.14 | antgel_ | cantido: trying to avoid that, but it was my last option |
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| 23:19.43 | cantido | antgel_: mmm, you could disable the need for TLS for certain clients |
| 23:19.53 | flourish | hello all, usually you use dash or bash, which is the better choice? |
| 23:19.54 | antgel_ | cantido: "doing something by the book and not being flexible towards broken implementations in the wild" :) |
| 23:20.04 | cantido | antgel_: exactly |
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| 23:20.53 | antgel_ | cantido: i want to use TLS. you have a pointer towards building it with openssl? i have the lenny exim4 source sitting on this box, i already rebuilt it with the gnutls_compat_mode patch to see if that would help |
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| 23:22.05 | cantido | antgel_: I just started using webmail.. then I realised that 3G roaming was costing me about 100 pounds a month and totally gave up on email on my n95 |
| 23:22.35 | joesmoje | cantido: dude, you're getting ripped off. i get unlimited 3g for US$35 |
| 23:23.10 | ccfontes | joesmoje, depends on the country I guess. Here is also very expensive |
| 23:23.13 | cantido | joesmoje: I have unlimited data in the uk, but I haven't been there in ages.. only just recently noticed how expensive data aboard is |
| 23:23.14 | antgel_ | cantido: well, yes. i just cancelled my 5GBP / month "unlimited" internet, more because it was a headache than anything else, just because i /can/ be online anywhere doesn't mean it's a Good Thing |
| 23:23.37 | antgel_ | cantido: but i can still use my E71 with WiFi, as can you with N95 |
| 23:23.41 | joesmoje | hugs his android |
| 23:23.55 | ccfontes | here is not unlimited. is limited as hell.. and its even expensive |
| 23:24.11 | zinx | ccfontes: in the US, unlimited means 1 to 5 GB/month |
| 23:24.20 | zinx | ccfontes: depending on which carrier you're using |
| 23:24.35 | ccfontes | zinx, oh, thats limited. here is around 1/2gb the normal traffic |
| 23:24.38 | cantido | antgel_: yeah, mmm I think rebuilding exim with openssl is one ./configure option. But it creates an unholy union or something so that's why exim in debian is gnutls ;) |
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| 23:25.40 | antgel_ | cantido: http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ#IamexperiencingtimeoutissueswithTLSconnections - but which environment variable? ;) |
| 23:25.47 | cantido | zinx: unlimited in the uk is apparently 200MB or something, they never complained though, I was using it as broadband for about a month |
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| 23:26.13 | zinx | cantido: eek. i'm fairly certain my phone pulls more than that a month |
| 23:26.21 | zinx | for normal use :/ |
| 23:26.34 | antgel_ | cantido: no, it's much more than 200MB i'm sure |
| 23:26.41 | cantido | antgel_: if you look at the debian/rules file you'll be able to see it |
| 23:26.52 | antgel_ | cantido: i'm going in! |
| 23:26.59 | cantido | antgel_: O2's acceptable use policy is 200MB I think |
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| 23:27.06 | cantido | antgel_: unless you have an iPhone contract |
| 23:27.27 | lolufail | what the fuck |
| 23:27.33 | lolufail | mount --bind /dev /mnt/c0d0p3/dev |
| 23:27.33 | lolufail | wrong fs type |
| 23:27.45 | cantido | pay 300yen a month for unlimited email and web here.. O2 suck bawls. heh |
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| 23:32.03 | lolufail | hmm, was I not in the channel up to now, or y did I get the messages again? |
| 23:33.03 | antgel_ | well that's just great |
| 23:33.20 | antgel_ | it appears not to work with openssl |
| 23:33.46 | cantido | you rebuilt it with openssl already? |
| 23:34.46 | antgel_ | cantido: yep |
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| 23:35.04 | cantido | antgel_: same error? :/ |
| 23:35.12 | antgel_ | cantido: no, TLS error on connection from 82-68-107-174.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk ([192.168.1.68]) [82.68.107.174] (SSL_accept): error:140943F2:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert unexpected message |
| 23:35.34 | antgel_ | nokia wankers |
| 23:35.46 | cantido | have you updated you phone to the latest firmware? |
| 23:35.51 | cantido | s/you/your |
| 23:37.07 | cantido | also, have you imported your servers cert to the phone.. I've have problems with mac clients without our self-signed cert being in their trusted certs. |
| 23:37.10 | SuperMiguel | whats better supported in debian? compiz or beryl? |
| 23:37.19 | antgel_ | cantido: think so, could make sure. at this point, am tempted to chuck the thing out the window, but there's no better alternative to symbian for me. iphone has shit UI and no keyboard, and blackberry OS sucked more and had worse third party support last time i looked (years ago admittedly) |
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| 23:37.24 | cantido | SuperMiguel: I thought they had merged again? |
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| 23:37.55 | SuperMiguel | cantido, im trying to find a way to install it.. but i cant find a guide to isntalled the merged part of them in debian 5.0 |
| 23:37.58 | cantido | antgel_: symbian is also an OS of Great British Origin.. which makes it sexy too ;) |
| 23:38.17 | cantido | SuperMiguel: I thought everything was back in compiz now |
| 23:38.18 | planet8 | Is kde 4 going to replace kde 3 in Debian, or is it going to be possible to install the desktop one prefers? |
| 23:38.24 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:38.31 | cantido | planet8: kde3 is gone in testing/sid |
| 23:38.32 | antgel_ | cantido: which makes it crap. some of my ex-nortel colleagues moved there in 2002-2003, which explains a lot |
| 23:38.47 | cantido | antgel_: back in the Psion days it was the shizzle |
| 23:39.12 | cantido | nokia are going to opensource it apparently, so maybe someone will fix the SSL stuff |
| 23:39.25 | planet8 | I hope kde3 will ramify into its own |
| 23:39.53 | cantido | planet8: I don't think anyone is working on kde3 anymore, you're going have to bite the bullet and switch to 4 |
| 23:40.03 | cantido | planet8: you can make it work a lot like kde3 |
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| 23:40.38 | lolufail | wow, that's just great, this knoppix version has reproducable errors when I try to mount -o bind |
| 23:40.43 | planet8 | yeah, but I feel its so bloated and "heavy" compared to kde 3 |
| 23:41.01 | cantido | thought qt4 was meant to be 40% or so faster than qt3 |
| 23:41.09 | lolufail | can anyone recommend an european hoster, that's not totally incapable? |
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| 23:41.27 | cantido | lolufail: depends what type of machine you want ;) |
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| 23:42.05 | cantido | lolufail: I'll message you the guys I use for most stuff if you want? |
| 23:42.16 | lolufail | please |
| 23:42.40 | jelly-home | !proliant |
| 23:42.40 | dpkg | HP Proliant utilities for etch i386: http://tinyurl.com/3tvpwg, etch amd64: http://tinyurl.com/mfg6yp, lenny i386&amd64: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib2/software1/pubsw-linux/p1538177301/v45350/, some etch utilities need libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 installed (a copy is available in hp's iso for lenny, or somewhere on archive.debian.org) |
| 23:42.46 | lolufail | cantido: I'm at rage-mode right now :) |
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| 23:45.14 | LightKnight | What's a nice Unicode font for the console? |
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| 23:49.46 | magesing | Hi everyone, the build of gnuplot included in lenny segfaults when I try to do a plot using the jpeg terminal with a truetype font. The same plot files have been tested and work on a gentoo box with gnuplot built from source. . . What's the debian way to install a newer version of gnuplot from the repos on my system? Thanks. |
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| 23:50.13 | antgel_ | !simple sid backport |
| 23:50.14 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 23:56.31 | antgel_ | cantido: the annoying thing is that i got a message through before, but cleverly didn't save that config and dicked around some more |
| 23:56.45 | magesing | ok. I managed to resolve my problem by pinning gnuplot to testing on my system. In case anyone cares, the gnuplot in stable segfaults when plotting in the jpeg terminal with truetype fonts |
| 23:56.56 | cantido | antgel_: ah that sucks, I tried for days and days and never got it working |
| 23:57.14 | magesing | exit |
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| 23:58.25 | Travelerooq | hi all, on Debian Lenny AMD64, what is the cmd to rerun Xconfig? there is no xorg.conf in my /etc/X11 |
| 23:58.50 | antgel_ | !configure x |
| 23:58.52 | dpkg | "" |
| 23:58.53 | antgel_ | !configure xorg |
| 23:58.54 | dpkg | "" |
| 23:59.03 | antgel_ | i'll leave it, my bot-fu is somewhat rusty |
| 23:59.46 | cantido | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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