| 00:00.12 | cantido | Travelerooq: you shouldn't need to configure Xorg much now though |
| 00:00.13 | Travelerooq | cantido: thanks |
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| 00:00.33 | antgel_ | !tell cantido about xorg config |
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| 00:01.06 | cantido | has a machine that needs no xorg configuration! woo |
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| 00:02.14 | fas3r | i have install freeradius eap tls it work great. But can i automatise the install of the ca.der and the p12 certificat with ie or firefox ? (with an activex or something like thing) ? |
| 00:04.05 | cantido | fas3r: for IE in an activedirectory domain you can use group policy |
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| 00:05.20 | cantido | fas3r: if you could force certs in from a website that would make SSL worthless ;) |
| 00:05.48 | Travelerooq | where is the default xorg.conf example on Debian? somewhere in /etc? |
| 00:05.56 | cantido | Travelerooq: /etc/X11 |
| 00:06.16 | Travelerooq | rerunning dpkg-reconfigure did not generate an xorg.conf, and no, it is not in /etc/X11 |
| 00:06.23 | Travelerooq | stabs system |
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| 00:07.10 | antgel_ | Travelerooq: what happened when you did dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver? |
| 00:07.13 | Travelerooq | i used a tergeted kernel not a generic, maybe that fuxored it, am running a new Nvidia GPU on AMD64 ... sigh |
| 00:07.25 | antgel_ | *xserver-xorg |
| 00:07.26 | Travelerooq | it just gave me option for kdb only |
| 00:07.52 | antgel_ | Travelerooq: try -plow ? |
| 00:08.06 | antgel_ | dpkg-reconfigure -plow xorg-xserver |
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| 00:08.27 | Travelerooq | does anyone have a generic xorg.conf or one that is LCD specific i can wget as a file from somewhere? |
| 00:08.35 | Travelerooq | antgel_: ok |
| 00:08.45 | antgel_ | Travelerooq: are you trying to use binary nvidia drivers? did you read the factoid that the bot sent you? |
| 00:08.46 | cantido | Travelerooq: what exactly isn't working? |
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| 00:09.09 | slidesinger | OK, much reading later, this is what I have come up with. In order to have X start for the non-geek user on login, I need to create a simple if statement that checks for an open (X) display and if there is not, startx and put this statement in .bash_login in /etc/skel |
| 00:09.26 | cantido | slidesinger: or use a display manager |
| 00:09.41 | lurk55 | tries again |
| 00:09.51 | lurk55 | greetings all... anyone know if the standard debian exim4 package provides domain keys support? i'm getting a log message 'invalid syntax'whenever a message hits the 'control=dk_verify' line. might i need an additional library to help?? |
| 00:10.02 | cantido | lurk55: no they don't |
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| 00:10.37 | cantido | lurk55: there's a bug about it in the bts, the maintainer says he doesn't think it's worth the effort |
| 00:10.44 | lurk55 | hmmpf |
| 00:11.13 | antgel_ | a good night for exim4, all round :) |
| 00:11.28 | markybob | i'm constantly amazed at how many people use exim |
| 00:11.31 | lurk55 | cantido: meaning im outaluck if i use the standard deb pakg. :-( |
| 00:11.40 | slidesinger | cantido: Contraindicated in this case as we have limited RAM. If that will work, then the only piece remaining is to figure out how to test for an open display. |
| 00:11.44 | cantido | I think exim is pretty good :/ |
| 00:11.47 | markybob | masochists :P |
| 00:11.50 | Travelerooq | antgel_: nope, no factoid to me, i hink you sent it to candido |
| 00:11.59 | Travelerooq | whoops => cantido* |
| 00:12.32 | cantido | slidesinger: XDM is too heavy? |
| 00:13.03 | Travelerooq | reran reconfigure with that switch, with and without kernel framebuffer support, still only configured kdb options, still have no xorg.conf |
| 00:13.11 | cantido | markybob: most of the issues with exim in debian are gnutls really ;) |
| 00:13.31 | cantido | Travelerooq: what doesnt work though? |
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| 00:14.25 | antgel_ | cantido: sorted it with help from http://digitalconsumption.com/forum/638-E71-Symbian-accept-email-certificate-permanently-this-time-only-time-out, in particular the comment at the end |
| 00:14.29 | slidesinger | cantido: 128 mb RAM on a laptop. Everything is too heavy. Trimming everywhere I can. It all adds up. |
| 00:14.36 | Travelerooq | thet same thing as the other day, No X, although I sorted that with an LCD specific xorg.conf, Vert/Horiz ranges, had to admin my windows partition this morning, killed my debain and reinstalled => no X |
| 00:15.03 | antgel_ | !tell Travelerooq about xorg config |
| 00:15.04 | fas3r | cantido: it's on linux, i can do it with https website ? |
| 00:15.05 | Travelerooq | laments not using the generic kernel |
| 00:15.07 | cantido | slidesinger: but the little login window that xdm shows is only going to run when the use isn't logged in, I doubt it consumes all that much memory |
| 00:15.30 | Travelerooq | antgel_: got that, reading |
| 00:15.30 | antgel_ | Travelerooq: now it should have come your way |
| 00:15.44 | cantido | fas3r: I don't think so, it goes against browser security to allow sites to install certs |
| 00:15.54 | cantido | antgel_: I'll take a looky |
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| 00:16.14 | fas3r | candido: can i script it ? |
| 00:16.20 | Travelerooq | antgel_: ahhhhhhhhh i c |
| 00:16.28 | fas3r | candido like vbs or something like this |
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| 00:17.16 | cantido | fas3r: if the user goes to a site with said cert the browser should offer them the option to trust it, I don't think you can tell the browser to add the cert via script |
| 00:17.18 | antgel_ | cantido: basically i had another issue. it /had/ worked in the past with my patched exim4 (gnutls_compat_mode). but i had saved an old cert in my phone. when i clicked on "use this cert one time only" it sent mail - "save this cert" didn't send mail. deleted the old expired cert from the cache, and it's all go go go! |
| 00:17.49 | cantido | fas3r: with most browsers you aren't even allowed to inspect the content inside an iframe, so I doubt any will allow automagic installation of certs ;) |
| 00:18.11 | cantido | antgel_: ah cool, I'll have to try that compat mode thing |
| 00:18.24 | Travelerooq | antgel_: reran the dpkg-reocnfigure /plow again, then X -configure, still no joy |
| 00:18.32 | antgel_ | cantido: i have the patch here in a format you can drop into debian/patches |
| 00:18.48 | cantido | antgel_: you can pastebin it? |
| 00:19.03 | cantido | antgel_: even better, stick it up on the debian wiki |
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| 00:19.08 | slidesinger | cantido: I don't know how much it takes up after login, but the value is greater than zero and it serves no value as X will only run the single installed wm. |
| 00:19.24 | fas3r | candido: ok ... well thank i continu to investigate |
| 00:19.24 | antgel_ | cantido: will do, dpatch format |
| 00:19.57 | sladi | Travelerooq, I use nvidia driver? http://pastebin.com/m5a163cf0 |
| 00:19.58 | Tapout | I've got ONE really large *.tgz, what's best to break it down so I can download it with multiple connections .. rar? |
| 00:20.04 | cantido | slidesinger: I don't think it takes up any memory once the user is logged in,.. unless the xserver is listening for remote connections |
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| 00:20.26 | cantido | Tapout: there should be a split/join tool in debian |
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| 00:20.50 | Travelerooq | antgel_: ah better, just ran dexconf, *now* i have an xorg.conf 8-) |
| 00:21.05 | Tapout | i probably should just use rar, probably best |
| 00:21.08 | cantido | Tapout: man split apparently ;) |
| 00:21.23 | Tapout | cantido, i can't do it manually.. i wanna generate 100+ files :0 |
| 00:21.45 | cantido | Tapout: why not download if rsync so you can resume it safely? |
| 00:21.57 | cantido | Tapout: ah, you want to download muliple sections at a time |
| 00:22.38 | Tapout | i typically use rsync but this is a tar -cvzf of multiple backups on my server and it will take forever with 1 connection, I wanna get it done .. so I'm using adsl+cable .. 30Mb/sec :) |
| 00:22.45 | cantido | Tapout: split will split a file into n sized pieces by the look of it |
| 00:23.55 | cantido | + probably quicker than having rar try to recompress the already gzipped data |
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| 00:24.58 | cantido | antgel_: I have pppd scripts for using the 3g modem in nokia phones on o2.. got to upload those sometime :) |
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| 00:29.41 | Tapout | cantido, rar a -v5000k .. :) |
| 00:29.58 | cantido | whatever works I suppose :) |
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| 00:35.50 | Tapout | is it common for a package that is in etch to skip lenny? cksfv was in etch, it's in squeeze and sid but not lenny |
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| 00:38.15 | odinsbane | how is the squeeze support of ext4, can I install squeeze onto an external hard drive and try it out? |
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| 00:40.24 | careta | why would you want to use a development filesystem? |
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| 00:41.04 | markybob | careta, it's not development |
| 00:41.12 | markybob | it's been stable since oct 21st 2008 |
| 00:41.17 | markybob | and it works fine in squeeze |
| 00:41.27 | slidesinger | [ -z "$DISPLAY" -a -z "$SSH_CLIENT" ] && exec startx works on first login, but causes subsequent logins to fail. What am I missing? |
| 00:41.27 | odinsbane | because I used it with jaunty jackalope and I want to switch from ubuntu to debian |
| 00:41.32 | cantido | isn't it only considered stable in 2.6.31? |
| 00:41.47 | markybob | cantido, no. 2.6.28 |
| 00:42.03 | careta | markybob, you can't a filesystem less than 2 years old stable |
| 00:42.09 | cantido | mmm maybe I'm thinking of NILFS or whatever |
| 00:42.16 | markybob | when it's based on the rock of ext3, yes, you can |
| 00:42.32 | careta | in fact, based on the number of patches to it in .30, its far less from stable |
| 00:42.35 | markybob | careta, your opinion doesnt matter. many kernel hackers classified it as stable whether you like it or not |
| 00:43.05 | careta | that's their problem |
| 00:43.17 | careta | i would not use a filesystem less than 5 years old, tried and tested, on my data |
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| 00:43.25 | markybob | careta, until you decide to spread fud, yeah |
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| 00:43.54 | dirkson | Hallo all. I've installed a browser manually, how do I tell debian to make that the default browser? |
| 00:44.12 | careta | markybob, you being naive if you trust 100% what the kernel hackers say |
| 00:44.29 | markybob | dirkson, system->preferences->preferred applications in gnome |
| 00:45.03 | cantido | do they ship it with RHEL or anything yet? I basically mean has anyone put their bawls on the line with it? |
| 00:45.07 | markybob | careta, i also use it. i have experience...you've shown nothing but ignorance |
| 00:45.13 | dirkson | markybob: Er... Totally not downloading hundreds of megabytes of packages just to change one setting. |
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| 00:45.38 | cantido | dirkson: update-alternatives |
| 00:45.48 | markybob | dirkson, so be specific. in what environment ? |
| 00:45.57 | cantido | dirkson: but if it's the only browser that's installed it should get default status by default |
| 00:46.05 | dirkson | markybob: I was, er... rather hoping for "all of them" |
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| 00:47.03 | dirkson | cantido: Yes, I installed my browser manually, so it's not listed when I call 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browse'. (Which is, I think, how I'm normally supposed to define which browser to use?) |
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| 00:47.24 | careta | markybob, hey man, no need to be aggressive. I'm just saying that file system choice take in consideration many variables, and one of them is their track record over the years. |
| 00:47.45 | cantido | dirkson: kde, gnome, etc all have different ways to set the default.. I think most packages are normalized to use the alternatives system though |
| 00:47.53 | careta | and ext4 has no track record, well, because it doesn't has years of mass scale usage |
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| 00:48.25 | dirkson | cantido: Well, I'm not using any desktop environment, so I don't think I need to battle those sorts of settings. |
| 00:48.31 | careta | i'm not saying ext4 is shit, in fact i think the opposite, i'm just saying it needs to prove himself |
| 00:48.39 | cantido | dirkson: oh, its lynx or something? |
| 00:49.07 | cantido | careta: when a vendor is offering to support it I would say it's safe to use, I don't think anyone is yet though |
| 00:49.14 | xororand | Why doesn't debians OpenSSH set the TC nibble in IPv6 connections? |
| 00:49.23 | dirkson | cantido: No, no. Midori. (The most recent version introduced a feature I needed) I just run a window manager separately, as opposed to an integrated DE like xfce, kde, or gnome. |
| 00:49.44 | GhostlyDeath | ext4 might be good, or it might suck |
| 00:49.46 | GhostlyDeath | it all depends |
| 00:49.56 | cantido | wonders why Green is a good name for a browser.. |
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| 00:50.20 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: Because people care about the environment |
| 00:50.21 | careta | cantido, i would say almost the same as you - if by vendor you mean red hat or suse and not canonical |
| 00:50.22 | dirkson | cantido: Yeah, I dunno either. Easy enough to remember, though. The browser should include more green widgets, though. |
| 00:50.35 | cantido | dirkson: I'm not sure how the defaults works in that case then, you can probably link it up to your locally installed stuff though |
| 00:50.37 | GhostlyDeath | and using a browser called Green might mean it's more helpful for the environment |
| 00:51.26 | cantido | careta: yes, I wouldn't trust canonical.. just because they haven't been around all that long, I let other people get burnt |
| 00:51.29 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: It actually is, in a vague sort of way. Firefox was the cause of 30% of my interrupts before, when idling- Midori doesn't appear to call interrupts at all, when idle. Thus, it should use a tiiiiny amount less power. |
| 00:51.50 | odinsbane | I'm a bit new to the 'testing' realease, it appears Ill have to d/load all of the dvd's or is there a live cd/ net install? |
| 00:52.24 | GhostlyDeath | dirkson: interrupts? Like INT 10h? |
| 00:52.30 | careta | cantido, I just don't trust them because they have a record of buggy releases, just to keep their 6 month schedule. Otherwise, ubuntu is the best thing that happened to linux for years |
| 00:52.41 | xororand | odinsbane: you basically have to choices: 1) install debian lenny and upgrade to testing, 2) use any Live CD that comes with deboostrap and set up your system manually |
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| 00:52.45 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: Not sure. I ran powertop, and firefox was listed right there at the top : ) |
| 00:52.46 | cantido | dirkson: I always think of the drink though, and that stuff is sticky and nasty |
| 00:52.58 | xororand | odinsbane: s/deboostrap/debootstrap/ |
| 00:52.59 | dirkson | cantido: Never had it. |
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| 00:53.55 | GhostlyDeath | dirkson: was it waiting timers? |
| 00:54.11 | GhostlyDeath | epiphany just has a bunch of "futex_waits" |
| 00:54.17 | ewet | hi, is there a frontend for write or something like it for gnome? |
| 00:54.34 | GhostlyDeath | ewet: gedit? |
| 00:54.42 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: Yes! It was futex_waits. But powertop didn't seem to like it. (Honestly, my understanding of powertop is a bit vague) |
| 00:55.02 | cantido | would give apps funny japanese names like oppai or something instead |
| 00:55.02 | xororand | GhostlyDeath: he probably means write(1) |
| 00:55.09 | GhostlyDeath | dirkson: that's just timer stuff, like it tells the process to sleep |
| 00:55.17 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: The real reason to use midori is speed, though- javascript runs about 8 times faster on midori than on firefox 3.5, according to benchmarks. |
| 00:55.25 | ewet | GhostlyDeath, no I mean unix's write (like talk) |
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| 00:55.42 | GhostlyDeath | oh |
| 00:55.46 | GhostlyDeath | then I wouldn't know |
| 00:56.04 | GhostlyDeath | Whenever I think of write, I think of Windows 3.1! |
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| 00:56.30 | GhostlyDeath | dirkson: it all depends |
| 00:57.17 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: Oh? |
| 00:57.36 | cantido | careta: dunno, the whole thing is a bit gimmicky for me really.. I'd rather run debian unsupported anyhow |
| 00:58.20 | GhostlyDeath | dirkson: Javascript might be part of Mozilla |
| 00:58.26 | antgel_ | !start a filesystem war |
| 00:58.26 | dpkg | xfs is too slow! |
| 00:58.53 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: I... Sorry, so? |
| 00:58.56 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: mozilla's javascript engine is rhino IIRC, the same one that's embedded in Sun's java |
| 00:58.58 | careta | cantido, I also prefer debian for myself, but ubuntu is the best for windows noobs |
| 00:59.38 | antgel_ | careta: yes, it gives them lots of the crap to make them feel at home </flamebait> |
| 00:59.40 | GhostlyDeath | !start a browser war |
| 00:59.41 | dpkg | Mosaic is more user-friendly than Mozilla! |
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| 01:00.03 | cantido | careta: maybe for installation, in use most distro's are the same,.. kde on X is the same as kde on Y.. |
| 01:00.19 | cantido | careta: stuff like using OOo opposed to Office is the biggest hurdle |
| 01:00.32 | GhostlyDeath | Not really |
| 01:00.36 | GhostlyDeath | OOo is free |
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| 01:00.54 | GhostlyDeath | whereas you can only get a prelicensed Works and/or prelicensed Word |
| 01:00.55 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: the ui is totally alien to a lot of people though |
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| 01:01.05 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: *shrugs* I like midori. It's speedy, had firebug-like features, and runs firefox plugins. (I.e. flash.) |
| 01:01.21 | zinx | s/firefox/mozilla/ |
| 01:01.29 | GhostlyDeath | I think the plugins would run off Mozilla |
| 01:01.37 | GhostlyDeath | since they work in every Mozilla capable browser pretty much |
| 01:02.00 | GhostlyDeath | I use Epiphany since it's lighter, Firefox hogs too much |
| 01:02.07 | careta | cantido, have you tried installing lenny on an almost new laptop? Nothing will work out of the box... |
| 01:02.12 | GhostlyDeath | back when Mozilla wasn't really well known, it ran good |
| 01:02.19 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: Oh! And it runs webkit, which is currently more standards compliant than firefox's engine. |
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| 01:02.52 | GhostlyDeath | dirkson: yeah, webkit is more standard complient than mozilla |
| 01:03.01 | careta | cantido, of course if you have experience with linux, the sugar coating provided by ubuntu will make you sick |
| 01:03.14 | cantido | careta: If it's the same kernel etc how will it be all that much different.. maybe ubuntu ship binary drivers/firmware to make it work, but that's the only difference |
| 01:03.16 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: Aye, browser bloat is a problem. Even midori takes about the same memory as firefox does :-/ Epiphany takes less? |
| 01:03.26 | cantido | careta: the brown look made me sick |
| 01:03.36 | GhostlyDeath | dirkson: Epiphany is using 264.6MB right now |
| 01:03.38 | cantido | careta: who makes anything turd coloured? |
| 01:03.53 | careta | cantido, it's never the same kernel! ubuntu is always on top of the latest, and debian stable lags behind (for obvious reasons) |
| 01:03.55 | GhostlyDeath | 6 + 1 + 11 + 1 windows |
| 01:04.02 | GhostlyDeath | 19 windows |
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| 01:04.27 | GhostlyDeath | dirkson: There's memory leaks though |
| 01:04.32 | GhostlyDeath | mostly through flash |
| 01:04.42 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: That's not too bad. For some reason I'm using 361 for 2 tabs. Probably memory leaks as well |
| 01:04.48 | GhostlyDeath | if there's flash on a page and it's on long enough it will just sap everything |
| 01:05.07 | GhostlyDeath | Never happened to me when I wasn't using flash though |
| 01:05.19 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: Ooooh, both my tabs are flash |
| 01:05.23 | cantido | careta: if there weren't 20 or so debian forks and everyone worked together maybe the debian release cycle would be down to 6 months and everyone would be happy |
| 01:05.29 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: I can't wait for html5. It looks really neat. |
| 01:05.38 | GhostlyDeath | Never saw it |
| 01:05.50 | cantido | ff really needs a "limit to one instance of flash" option |
| 01:05.58 | GhostlyDeath | I still use HTML 1! |
| 01:06.01 | GhostlyDeath | heh, maybe |
| 01:06.05 | cantido | loads of stupid flash widgets on a page will kill your machine :/ |
| 01:06.23 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: yeah, they also occasionally use like my entire CPU |
| 01:06.56 | GhostlyDeath | They should ban flash ads |
| 01:06.59 | GhostlyDeath | I miss GIFs! |
| 01:07.10 | careta | cantido, having a fixed 6 month release schedule can give more problems, i don't see it being beneficial! Let ubuntu live, i'm fine with testing! |
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| 01:07.16 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: don't say that.. it would put 75% of the people in the web industry out of work! |
| 01:07.18 | GhostlyDeath | The thing is, if your browser doesn't support flash, the ads are GIFs anyway |
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| 01:09.12 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: Those flash ads cover the web page! |
| 01:09.17 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: http://9elements.com/io/projects/html5/canvas/ - This should work in firefox. It's html5. |
| 01:09.34 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: They're called "page takeovers".. ;) |
| 01:09.39 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: Oh, appears to work with webkit too. |
| 01:09.39 | GhostlyDeath | makes Epiphany use 100% CPU |
| 01:09.48 | GhostlyDeath | wait, not it stopped |
| 01:09.59 | GhostlyDeath | How long does this demo take to load? |
| 01:10.16 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: Makes firefox use 100% cpu too. I'm only using about 30% on midori |
| 01:10.24 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: I had to refresh it. It's a little wonky yet |
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| 01:10.36 | GhostlyDeath | oh I see it |
| 01:10.39 | dirkson | GhostlyDeath: It may still be suffering the afteraffects of its slashdotting |
| 01:10.58 | GhostlyDeath | it's all jumping all over |
| 01:11.32 | GhostlyDeath | Wait, aren't canvases like old? |
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| 01:12.23 | GhostlyDeath | I don't hear any audio luckily |
| 01:12.31 | GhostlyDeath | I hate it when web pages/ads play audio |
| 01:12.37 | dirkson | Me too. |
| 01:12.49 | dirkson | "Congratulations! You've won a *". |
| 01:12.55 | GhostlyDeath | I'm happily listening to my Video game music and suddelny "BLAH BLAH" |
| 01:13.13 | GhostlyDeath | this one ad like beeped every 10 seconds |
| 01:13.53 | GhostlyDeath | dirkson: Also the embedded Music is bad too |
| 01:14.02 | GhostlyDeath | those hidden embeds are a pain |
| 01:14.07 | dirkson | Aye. |
| 01:14.32 | dirkson | I really am amused by popunders in a tiling window manager, though. It's really hard to fail more are popping up invisibly |
| 01:14.43 | dirkson | *at, not are |
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| 01:14.56 | GhostlyDeath | The number one rule is no sound on web pages |
| 01:15.03 | GhostlyDeath | unless you explicitely say you want sound |
| 01:16.05 | GhostlyDeath | Everyone pretty much listens to music these days and doesn't want anyone to disturb them |
| 01:16.48 | dirkson | I have a separate soundcard JUST for music, and use a physical switch to switch from the mpd-only soundcard to the rest-of-the-crap-on-the-computer soundcard :D |
| 01:17.17 | GhostlyDeath | we need like smart speakers |
| 01:17.29 | GhostlyDeath | USB speakers |
| 01:17.44 | GhostlyDeath | but, make it so only certain apps blast sound depending on the volume |
| 01:17.58 | GhostlyDeath | with a controllable knob on the speaker itself |
| 01:18.37 | dirkson | Not a bad idea |
| 01:18.57 | GhostlyDeath | Vista has per application sound handling |
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| 01:19.16 | GhostlyDeath | just do that on Linux, then make a speaker that adjust the active application's sound or something |
| 01:19.34 | GhostlyDeath | per application sound would probably work for ALSA |
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| 01:22.17 | odinsbane | xororand, do you think I could install debian lenny onto a usb hard drive and then upgrade that to testing? |
| 01:22.40 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: you can have per-application audio handling with pulseaudio |
| 01:22.43 | xororand | odinsbane: most certainly, yes |
| 01:22.46 | odinsbane | My first attempt at using a debian live cd left me with a blank screen, I think it was because the cd had a scratch on it. |
| 01:23.22 | cantido | odinsbane: thats what reed-soloman coding is for |
| 01:23.41 | cantido | odinsbane: s/soloman/solomon/ |
| 01:24.13 | xororand | odinsbane: if you already have an existing, working gnu/linux system, you could also use "debootstrap testing /mount/point" although that requires a bit of manual work, like setting up the bootloader and configuring /etc/fstab |
| 01:24.41 | xororand | most live CDs/systems contain debootstrap as well |
| 01:24.59 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: but who uses pulse audio? |
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| 01:25.22 | markybob | GhostlyDeath, ubuntu users since it's default for them. that's about it, though |
| 01:25.30 | markybob | hates pulseaudio |
| 01:25.33 | odinsbane | cantido: I used the verify when I burnt it, but that was on a different computer, mine gave me a string of cannot access sr0 |
| 01:25.35 | GhostlyDeath | same |
| 01:25.37 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: lots of apps support it apparently. I always locked alsa here |
| 01:25.47 | GhostlyDeath | I've always used ALSA |
| 01:25.56 | GhostlyDeath | and it does everything I need |
| 01:26.02 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: pulseaudio sits on top of pulseaudio... |
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| 01:26.16 | odinsbane | xororand: do you have a page that I could refere to on setting that up? |
| 01:26.22 | markybob | cantido, are you drunk? |
| 01:26.22 | GhostlyDeath | ALSA is either alone or on OSS |
| 01:27.04 | daemon | markybob, he is right |
| 01:27.07 | cantido | markybob: no, what makes you say that? |
| 01:27.11 | phaer | How can i delete an mysql-server and all of his settings and databases? |
| 01:27.20 | cantido | markybob: pulseaudio doesnt drive the hardware itself, that would be stupid |
| 01:27.20 | markybob | phaer, dpkg --purge mysql |
| 01:27.49 | xororand | odinsbane: no, i don't have one bookmarked. coming from gentoo gnu/linux, i already knew how to setup the bootloader, etc |
| 01:28.07 | phaer | markybob thanks, i only tried aptitude --purge mysql-server but it did not delete the databases |
| 01:28.17 | xororand | odinsbane: but i'm sure you'll find something if you search for debootstrap and how-to or something like that |
| 01:28.43 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: it on OSS as with pretty much everything else? |
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| 01:28.50 | markybob | phaer, ...that's not the same thing. you could just rm -rf the databases |
| 01:28.51 | DeathWolf | mmm does anyone know how to get dnsmasq to resolve all subdomains of a domain set aside one? |
| 01:29.28 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: what you mean? |
| 01:29.39 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: pulseaudio, does it use OSS for hardware? |
| 01:29.44 | markybob | phaer, rm -rf /var/lib/mysql |
| 01:29.47 | GhostlyDeath | or is there a lower pulseaudio for hardware? |
| 01:29.53 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: I think it has backends for both ALSA and OSS |
| 01:30.04 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: it's just like esd used to be |
| 01:30.15 | markybob | esd was also shit |
| 01:30.20 | GhostlyDeath | yeah, ESD was bad |
| 01:30.30 | phaer | markybob, of course, i just thought there might be a cleaner way. thank you for the dpkg tipp :) |
| 01:30.39 | zinx | pulseaudio isn't even out of alpha/beta stages |
| 01:30.44 | cantido | markybob: I never said it was anygood, just that it could to that specific feature, i.e. give each app its own mixer |
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| 01:31.05 | GhostlyDeath | ALSA could probably do that if it's coded in |
| 01:31.20 | GhostlyDeath | ALSA most likely knows the PID of programs creating audio buffers |
| 01:31.30 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: it can with plugins yes |
| 01:32.00 | odinsbane | xororand: too true, found at least two pages describing the situation. Thanks |
| 01:32.22 | cantido | people like to write audio abstraction layers for some reason :/ |
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| 01:33.42 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: Just need a new system, LSS! For Linux Sound System |
| 01:34.02 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: and then 10 or so servers for that ;) |
| 01:35.08 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: Just make one huge big end |
| 01:35.20 | GhostlyDeath | and have everything run off that! |
| 01:35.39 | GhostlyDeath | Complete mess but it makes everyone audio happy |
| 01:36.39 | phorce1 | OK, I've seen info on this somewhere but I can't find it now (iptables probably). I have my Lenny box on two network connections. DSL and an internal network that is backed by a T1. I have the defaultroute set to the DSL gateway. That's the way I need it. But, I need all traffic for certain ports to travel over the T-1 even if they are not destined for one of the other machines on that same network. Pointers to a howto? |
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| 01:37.09 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: you can never have enough incompatiable unsupported backends and abstraction layers for everything |
| 01:37.34 | phorce1 | Note that I said for certain PORTS. All traffic destined for IP addresses in the range connected to the T1 already routes that direction as it should |
| 01:37.41 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: Compatibility layers on top of compatibility layers! |
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| 01:38.30 | cantido | phorce1: do you want to use iptables directly? it would be a lot simpler to do with something like firehol |
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| 01:39.23 | scon- | How can I do security ONLY updates? |
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| 01:39.44 | scon- | I'm having real trouble finding this information. Everywhere just says a plain old aptitude upgrade, but that will upgrade EVERYTHING |
| 01:39.45 | cantido | scon-: press + on the security updates line in aptitude |
| 01:39.53 | scon- | Oh sorry. I meant to say command line only |
| 01:40.07 | cantido | scon-: it with be -t something I think |
| 01:40.08 | scon- | Oh, I see |
| 01:40.13 | scon- | Thanks.. I'll try that |
| 01:40.17 | cantido | s/with/will/ |
| 01:40.20 | phorce1 | cantido: wil firhol handle special cases like that? I looked at one of the iptables "generators" and it was way too basic |
| 01:40.30 | phorce1 | cantido: firestarter I think |
| 01:40.33 | dmoerner | scon-: only have security.d.o in sources.list. also look at debsecan |
| 01:41.04 | cantido | phorce1: I think you could spec a firehol router to do it |
| 01:41.15 | scon- | If I only have the security repo in sources.list that means I can't install any new packages from the other ones though |
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| 01:41.41 | scon- | I forgot I aptitude is an actual ncurses application! It looks like my answer is just on the main interface when I launch aptitude |
| 01:42.08 | cantido | scon-: I think you could to -t "updates/lenny" too but I'm not 100% sure on that |
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| 01:43.24 | markybob | aptitude makes me sad...still no super cow powers :( |
| 01:44.10 | scon- | Thanks |
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| 01:47.00 | phorce1 | cantido: I'm still poking around google reading up on policy routing |
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| 01:47.45 | craigevil | scon-: apt-get install $(debsecan --suite sid --only-fixed --format packages) change the sid part to whatever repo you want |
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| 01:48.17 | meetjoe | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.24 | meetjoe | oops.. sorr |
| 01:48.29 | meetjoe | was trying to pen a chan |
| 01:48.33 | scon- | Ah, aptitude upgrade even by its self only wants to install security upgrades. When I use the update GUI and add regular packages there's about 10x more |
| 01:48.41 | cantido | phorce1: it's certainly possible to do :) |
| 01:48.44 | scon- | craigevil: I'm actually using ubuntu so I can't use that |
| 01:49.26 | markybob | scon-, then go away |
| 01:49.40 | cantido | harsh |
| 01:49.56 | scon- | markybob: What's your problem? I didn't ask for ubuntu help. The 2 operating systems are very very similar |
| 01:50.05 | scon- | I got an answer to my problem here |
| 01:50.08 | markybob | !ubuntu |
| 01:50.08 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 01:50.15 | scon- | Did I say it was debian? |
| 01:50.16 | meetjoe | hy people..i have this presentation to take today..i've prepared the slides..but a few more tips could be of great help... its about role og gnu/linux is helping users defend against identity thefts... |
| 01:50.19 | dmoerner | scon-: the security infrastructure is not the same |
| 01:50.35 | scon- | How to do security updates with apt-get or aptitude is though |
| 01:51.04 | scon- | There's no need for markybob to act like a Neanderthal though |
| 01:51.09 | markybob | scon-, ubuntu is simply not the topic in here. nor is any of it supported |
| 01:51.32 | scon- | You need to relax, markybob. You're making an issue where there is none |
| 01:51.39 | scon- | I've not asked for ubuntu help and my issue is *SOLVED* |
| 01:52.05 | dmoerner | scon-: you made craigevil waste his time on a response that can't help you, as an example of why this behavior is frowned on |
| 01:52.13 | scon- | It *has* helped me |
| 01:52.16 | Demios | anyone use splashy? |
| 01:52.17 | scon- | What part of that are people not understanding |
| 01:52.45 | markybob | Demios, i dont think that's been maintained for a couple of years now |
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| 01:53.06 | Demios | is there an alternative? |
| 01:53.16 | Demios | i just got it off synaptic |
| 01:53.19 | cantido | close your eyes during bootup |
| 01:53.41 | Demios | yeah no |
| 01:53.48 | sHyLoCk_ | during netinst if my net gets dc'd can the package download be resumed? |
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| 01:54.13 | cantido | Demios: usplash maybe |
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| 01:54.22 | meetjoe | http://uploading.com/files/WYH4XM63/Digital Identity Seminar - ilug-cochin.odp.html ive made some slides.. please take a look.. |
| 01:55.29 | cantido | Whats the generic mtune option for amd64 machines? |
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| 01:55.43 | cantido | by amd64 I mean amd64 and emt64 machines |
| 01:56.26 | GhostlyDeath | If only I knew what mtune was |
| 01:56.46 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: gcc compile options. I'm looking at a console emulater that's in debian and it's slow as hell |
| 01:57.14 | GhostlyDeath | well |
| 01:57.16 | cantido | If the package is built on i386 it adds mtune=i686 to the gcc opts, would be nice to have an amd64 bit in there too |
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| 01:57.22 | GhostlyDeath | all x86_64 processors have sse2! |
| 01:57.35 | GhostlyDeath | sse, and mmx |
| 01:57.56 | sHyLoCk_ | well my situation is this: my ISP requires me to keep an active browser page open for net to stay connected..if i close it at max i'd stay connected for abt 30mins and then automatically be dc'd, so i have to goto windows and connect again.. |
| 01:58.16 | sHyLoCk_ | so i was wondering if i can resume it later again |
| 01:59.03 | markybob | sHyLoCk_, sounds like you need to learn how to bash script :P use wget or curl to keep loading the page in the background |
| 01:59.25 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: I think just generic |
| 01:59.52 | sHyLoCk_ | markybob: how do i keep loading the page in windows while im installin debian |
| 02:00.15 | markybob | sHyLoCk_, you can install cygwin |
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| 02:00.58 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: it's a fair bit quicker with mtune=native, just need to add the options that all amd64 machine have I suppose |
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| 02:03.15 | GhostlyDeath | I;m still waiting for compilers that create branched stuff |
| 02:03.44 | GhostlyDeath | i.e. if a processor has SSE2, use an SSE2 version of a function instead of a generic 386 version |
| 02:04.06 | sHyLoCk_ | markybob: you scare me |
| 02:04.06 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: detection on runtime? mplayer does that iirc |
| 02:04.06 | martian67 | GhostlyDeath, thats been around for a very long time |
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| 02:04.15 | martian67 | hell even XMMS does that |
| 02:04.24 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: stuff like the raid code in the kernel does that too |
| 02:04.25 | martian67 | and XMMS hasnt changed significantly for like a decade |
| 02:04.43 | cantido | martian67: I think he really means generated by the compiler though |
| 02:04.47 | GhostlyDeath | martian67: I mean like automatic with GCC |
| 02:04.47 | martian67 | a lot of PC games do that too |
| 02:05.01 | GhostlyDeath | Not "Detect, assign function pointers" |
| 02:05.11 | martian67 | GhostlyDeath, thats a tricky problems |
| 02:05.13 | mentor | There's a library |
| 02:05.16 | mentor | liboil |
| 02:05.20 | martian67 | compilers suck at vectorization |
| 02:05.40 | GhostlyDeath | well, you could make some inline code |
| 02:05.45 | cantido | could it not be done at runtime by the linker too? |
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| 02:05.47 | GhostlyDeath | and just jmp there |
| 02:05.59 | mentor | There's an optimised library... |
| 02:06.26 | GhostlyDeath | mentor: how does it work> |
| 02:06.39 | mentor | Without premature optimisation |
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| 02:21.21 | kenjy | guys can you recommend me a too for deflate a pdf file? |
| 02:21.28 | fas3r | when i run dpkg-reconfigure i can't choose the driver and the resolution .. i can just configure the keyboard and the framebuffer ... can i change something to reconfigure all xserver-xorg with dpkg-reconfigure ? |
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| 02:30.11 | orion_x11 | fas3r: Change that in: System > Preferences > Video |
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| 02:35.28 | macrobat | kenjy: can you convert to text and convert back to pdf? maybe pdftk can do stuff |
| 02:36.13 | kenjy | macrobat: tnks, let me try |
| 02:38.03 | fas3r | orion_x11 .. ? where ? |
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| 02:41.51 | Traveler00q | hi all, Debian Lenny AMD64, X sorted, but limited connectivity to WWW, DHCP interface eth0 is up, DNS set, current route ... can ping google/ftp.nz.debian.org but cannot access WWW using a web browser |
| 02:42.34 | Traveler00q | what is the issue? |
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| 02:44.25 | Evet | is vserver better than openvz? |
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| 02:46.20 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: depends |
| 02:46.24 | Traveler00q | also just confirmed i can wget a file down, grabbed a firefox-sources.tar.bz2 no worries ... so is this a DNS issue? |
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| 02:47.11 | Traveler00q | is it recommended to use apt-get or package management or aptitude? |
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| 02:47.20 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, so there is no obvious differ? |
| 02:47.39 | markybob | Traveler00q, apt-get is package management. so is aptitude |
| 02:47.46 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: I've only used openvz |
| 02:47.58 | craigevil | Traveler00q: aptitude is the recommended way |
| 02:48.03 | GhostlyDeath | openvz cannot run Windows or anything like htat |
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| 02:48.29 | Traveler00q | markybob: thanks |
| 02:48.35 | simonrvn | Traveler00q: your browser is having issues i think. |
| 02:48.39 | Traveler00q | craigevil: cheers |
| 02:48.40 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, vserver same |
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| 02:48.46 | Evet | its why i cant decide |
| 02:48.55 | Traveler00q | simonrvn: it is that ghastly iceweasel bleh |
| 02:49.26 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: I've ran openvz, seems nice |
| 02:49.33 | GhostlyDeath | I still run it actually |
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| 02:49.46 | craigevil | Traveler00q: try turning off ipv6 in iceweasel's about:config |
| 02:50.35 | Traveler00q | craigevil: is that on by default, pretty sure i did *not* make the kernel with ipv6 but still... |
| 02:50.53 | craigevil | Traveler00q: in iceweasel yes |
| 02:51.15 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, it looks difficult |
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| 02:51.44 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: setting up network bridges might be a bit of a pain, but once you do it, it's easy |
| 02:51.58 | GhostlyDeath | also you could easily install templates |
| 02:51.58 | Traveler00q | craigevil; k, so that is in home/me/.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini? |
| 02:52.20 | GhostlyDeath | download an archive, use the vzctl command, OS is installed |
| 02:52.25 | craigevil | Traveler00q: in the iceweasel url bar just type about:config the ipv6 |
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| 02:52.32 | craigevil | then* |
| 02:53.11 | Traveler00q | ah right |
| 02:53.21 | craigevil | Traveler00q: or if you have a user.js put this in it user_pref("network.dns.disableIPv6", true); |
| 02:53.44 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, do you delegate a dedicated ip for each virtual machine? |
| 02:54.11 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: They get one based on DHCP |
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| 02:54.25 | GhostlyDeath | they are on the network |
| 02:54.31 | Traveler00q | craigevil: yay, thanks 8-) |
| 02:54.41 | Traveler00q | is wrapt!! |
| 02:55.31 | Evet | GhostlyDeath, you provide VPS hosting |
| 02:55.32 | Evet | ? |
| 02:55.53 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: No |
| 02:56.17 | GhostlyDeath | I got 5 VZs running on a 700MHz |
| 02:56.39 | Evet | whts your cpu? |
| 02:56.45 | GhostlyDeath | Pentium III |
| 02:57.08 | Evet | wow, nice :) |
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| 02:58.02 | GhostlyDeath | let's see |
| 02:58.17 | cantido | Evet: containers are nice :) |
| 02:58.18 | GhostlyDeath | model name: Pentium III (Coppermine) |
| 02:58.24 | GhostlyDeath | cpu MHz: 696.975 |
| 02:58.30 | cantido | Evet: you still need enough resources to run all the stuff inside them though |
| 02:58.38 | simonrvn | cantido: they hold water very well |
| 02:58.44 | GhostlyDeath | 256KB Cache, fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse up, 1395.78 bogomips |
| 02:59.14 | cantido | hoho |
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| 03:01.13 | Evet | how much minimum ram debian lenny need to work |
| 03:01.21 | GhostlyDeath | Evet: Maybe 32 |
| 03:01.32 | GhostlyDeath | well |
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| 03:01.36 | cantido | Evet: inside a vm? |
| 03:01.37 | GhostlyDeath | probably core, and doing nothing else |
| 03:01.39 | simonrvn | 32 IIRC |
| 03:01.40 | GhostlyDeath | probably 16 |
| 03:01.54 | Evet | cantido, right |
| 03:01.58 | simonrvn | used to be 16, dunno if that changed |
| 03:02.00 | GhostlyDeath | My other PC is a model name: Pentium III (Katmai) |
| 03:02.16 | GhostlyDeath | 550MHz, 1097.10 bogomips |
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| 03:02.37 | Evet | i have to fit as much as containers |
| 03:02.38 | cantido | Evet: I have a lenny vserver running openldap thats using 28meg of real ram |
| 03:02.40 | Evet | into my node |
| 03:02.55 | GhostlyDeath | You could also use swap |
| 03:02.56 | Evet | 28 hmm |
| 03:03.19 | cantido | Evet: another vserver running a lamp stack is using 130meg |
| 03:03.46 | simonrvn | hands cantido a torch |
| 03:03.49 | Evet | today i heard, someone installed 638 containers on a 32gb RAM machine |
| 03:04.12 | cantido | Evet: all depends on whats running inside them |
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| 03:04.21 | simonrvn | ...probably to see how many they could add... |
| 03:04.37 | cantido | Evet: you can run shell containers with dropbear running on like 4meg or something |
| 03:04.59 | Evet | cantido, centos5 |
| 03:05.12 | cantido | Evet: vserver will also unify the files each of those containers is using to minimise the disk use |
| 03:05.29 | Evet | dropbear is a distro? |
| 03:05.29 | Traveler00q | what would be causing my eth0 to be able to connect to the WWW using a web broswer, can ping all sorts of servers, yet aptitude fails? |
| 03:05.38 | cantido | Evet: dropbear is a small ssh server |
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| 03:05.53 | Traveler00q | consistently getting timeouts and am connecting to local mirror |
| 03:06.05 | cantido | Traveler00q: did you set a proxy when you installed? |
| 03:06.06 | Evet | cantido, it looks u r using vserver |
| 03:06.10 | Evet | i want to learn something |
| 03:06.22 | Traveler00q | cantido: no, did not think i had to |
| 03:06.35 | Evet | are virtual machine roots user of main machine? |
| 03:06.39 | cantido | Evet: I use vserver for my personal server.. I have to identical containers so that I can break one and my mail etc stays working |
| 03:07.05 | cantido | Evet: users etc inside the container are whatever is configured inside the container |
| 03:07.07 | Traveler00q | i can connect out from this LAN (work) using my Macbook and a WinXP system with no config malarkey |
| 03:07.46 | Evet | cantido, you seperate mail server, dns server, httpd etc. ? |
| 03:08.02 | Traveler00q | anyone got a test file on an public webserver i can test using wget? |
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| 03:08.02 | cantido | Evet: no, I have http, dns, mail in multiple instances |
| 03:08.17 | cantido | Evet: so I can take one instance down and everything stays working |
| 03:08.18 | Evet | cantido, you providing VPS hosting? |
| 03:08.22 | cantido | Evet: nope |
| 03:08.31 | simonrvn | Traveler00q: sec |
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| 03:09.01 | Traveler00q | simonrvn: k |
| 03:09.13 | simonrvn | check /query window |
| 03:09.16 | cantido | Evet: there are people selling both vserver and openvz based VPS's though |
| 03:09.36 | simonrvn | you should get a 403 |
| 03:09.58 | Traveler00q | simonrvn: k thanks |
| 03:10.05 | Evet | cantido, have you ever tried set up a virtual machine in a virtual machine? |
| 03:10.37 | cantido | Evet: you can't have vserver inside vserver I think.. you can have vserver inside a xen vm though |
| 03:11.18 | cantido | Evet: you should be able to run kvm etc inside a vserver or openvz too, you just have to give that container enough rights |
| 03:11.20 | Evet | whole virtualized, right |
| 03:11.28 | Evet | hmm |
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| 03:12.38 | cantido | Evet: I'm not a fan of xen etc, vserver and openvz are good when chrooting isn't enough |
| 03:13.40 | jessicasco | Hi~ Is there any Chinese here? |
| 03:13.45 | Traveler00q | simonrvn: fail, not 403, am getting same errors doing a wget to that url as i do when i do an apt-get update to the nz debian mirror |
| 03:14.10 | simonrvn | Traveler00q: did you try tracrouting? |
| 03:14.18 | simonrvn | trace* |
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| 03:16.40 | Traveler00q | simonrvn: doing that now, i can ping your domain by name and IP, cannot DIG it, it times out |
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| 03:17.23 | Traveler00q | simonrvn: and traceroute has finished with my ip as stage 1 then nothing but blank down to stage 30 |
| 03:18.23 | simonrvn | icmp... ah, some router on the way is on the fritz, or you're blocking icmp, or something else. do you have ecn enabled? |
| 03:18.25 | Traveler00q | yet i could wget a .tar.bz2 from mozilla/firefox no worries |
| 03:18.40 | Traveler00q | ecn? |
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| 03:19.01 | simonrvn | what's your geographical locatio (generally, don't need specifics) |
| 03:19.05 | simonrvn | !ecn |
| 03:19.05 | dpkg | hmm... ecn is Explicit Congestion Notification - a TCP/IP feature which should be supported by the whole Internet, but unfortunately, some broken firewalls don't like it. To disable: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn . To disable permanently, echo net/ipv4/tcp_ecn=0 >> /etc/sysctl.conf . See also http://p12n.org/kb/ecn.html; you can disable ECN via iptables selectively |
| 03:19.13 | Traveler00q | NZ auckland |
| 03:19.23 | Evet | cantido, can a vps root damage whole server? |
| 03:19.33 | simonrvn | hm ok. what's your ip? |
| 03:19.52 | Traveler00q | er, am in a work LAN via DHCP |
| 03:19.56 | cantido | Evet: not if it's working properly |
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| 03:20.05 | Traveler00q | i actually have to go for a while, might bbl, cheers thnks for your help |
| 03:20.40 | simonrvn | i'm getting the same |
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| 03:22.39 | zoster | anyone knows how to configure dante-server for web browsing in regard to authorization/ |
| 03:22.41 | Evet | cantido, it looks dropbear is not a standalone OS |
| 03:23.13 | dmoerner | cantido is a lightweight ssh server |
| 03:23.20 | dmoerner | s/dropbear/cantido/ haha |
| 03:23.34 | cantido | Evet: yeah, I said that |
| 03:23.59 | cantido | Evet: my point was that you can have lenny + ssh to access it in very little memory |
| 03:24.41 | Evet | lenny + dropbear needs only 4mb of RAM |
| 03:24.42 | Evet | ? |
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| 03:25.03 | slidesinger | wicd backport is broken and not supported, wicd testing wants to upgrade libc6, which I don't want to do, and wifi-radar needs root password, which the user of this laptop should not have for any reason. Suggestions? |
| 03:25.03 | zoster | cantido, how do you want to access linux box without ssh these days? telnet?? |
| 03:25.16 | cantido | Evet: I just created an empty lenny vserver, 5meg |
| 03:25.29 | cantido | Evet: this is amd64 though, i386 is probably slightly smaller |
| 03:25.50 | cantido | zoster: you could have ssh on the host machine and then use the utils to enter the guest |
| 03:26.01 | cantido | zoster: but usually you don't want to give any access to the host |
| 03:26.19 | zoster | cantido, definitely |
| 03:27.07 | cantido | Evet: the scripts that come with vserver create pretty minimal installs, without stuff that you don't need inside the vserver, i.e. you don't need acpi tools |
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| 03:27.42 | fxiny | i share home with the host , a dir , in my vserver |
| 03:28.06 | Evet | cantido, how can i calculate how much RAM using |
| 03:28.09 | Evet | in a vps |
| 03:28.26 | cantido | Evet: vserver has vserver-stat |
| 03:28.28 | zoster | what's the advantage of vserver vs. xen? is it just cpu load? |
| 03:28.48 | fxiny | old box like mine can run a vserver |
| 03:28.53 | cantido | zoster: if you're running only linux vms it should be a ton faster and easier to support |
| 03:29.11 | zoster | cantido, but less secure I guess |
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| 03:29.40 | cantido | zoster: should be about the same, ask Theo de raadt about depending on hypervisors for security ;) |
| 03:29.51 | zoster | cantido, thanks |
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| 03:30.42 | cantido | zoster: I suppose an advantage to xen is that people can run their own kernels with different modules etc, but for most things you don't really need that |
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| 03:31.04 | Evet | cantido, VSZ or RSS ? |
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| 03:31.08 | zoster | cantido, that's the main reason |
| 03:31.43 | cantido | Evet: rss stuff allocated in real memory |
| 03:31.54 | Evet | 1.2M |
| 03:32.45 | cantido | as soon as you add apache or something in there it will ballon,.. but it should still be better than running the same stuff under xen |
| 03:33.21 | cantido | Evet: you can also set flags to limit the amount of memory processes inside the container can try to allocate etc |
| 03:34.29 | cantido | Evet: and things like have top inside the container only report memory available inside the container etc.. all detailed on the vserver pages |
| 03:35.19 | Evet | cantido, |
| 03:35.23 | Evet | thanks for help |
| 03:35.32 | cantido | <3 vserver :) |
| 03:35.41 | Evet | :) |
| 03:35.55 | cantido | It's a shame the kernel patches are always so far behind |
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| 03:36.55 | Evet | cantido, in vps, i started irssi |
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| 03:37.08 | Evet | it uses my main machine's hostname |
| 03:37.08 | shyam_k | !irc channels |
| 03:37.28 | cantido | Evet: did you set a hostname when you created the vserver? |
| 03:37.57 | shyam_k | i use emacs cvs, and what would be a good way to test the debian sid emacs package without messing up with my working install?> |
| 03:38.23 | shyam_k | something like --prefix=/opt for dpkg -i? |
| 03:38.29 | Evet | cantido, yes |
| 03:38.48 | cantido | Evet: also, if you have reverse dns setup it will still resolve to that hostname.. |
| 03:38.51 | Evet | cantido, too many questions :) i must read some docs |
| 03:39.20 | cantido | Evet: you can give a vserver it's own ip by binding it to alias on the interface or iptables rules |
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| 03:57.10 | Evet | is thinking how to cover the expenses of his server.. |
| 03:57.34 | cantido | Evet: so that's why you want vm's ;) |
| 03:57.53 | Small_girl | Hmmm :( |
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| 03:58.04 | Small_girl | Hi rain |
| 03:58.05 | Evet | cantido, :) |
| 03:58.12 | Evet | i think i cant sell vps |
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| 04:00.05 | cantido | Evet: tell your boss you need it for developing your skills and expense it |
| 04:00.37 | zophy | cdimage.debian.org, what's the story ? |
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| 04:02.56 | zophy | i got this dual dual core xeon just waiting for debian, and i can't do it |
| 04:03.08 | cantido | zophy: get a torrent |
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| 04:12.50 | scotty022 | yikes |
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| 04:14.53 | judgepg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.32 | Evet | cantido, could you take a look |
| 04:15.34 | Evet | http://pastebin.com/d2b8b79bd |
| 04:15.46 | Evet | i cant install anything via aptitude or apt-get |
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| 04:16.58 | craigevil | try doing dpkg-reconfigure locales and then change your repo to ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 04:17.53 | cantido | Evet: your vserver needs some way to do dns look ups, and route stuff |
| 04:17.54 | Evet | craigevil, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is not installed |
| 04:18.31 | Evet | hmm |
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| 04:21.46 | dmoerner | Evet: you have two problems. first, locales isn't installed. second, your internet is broken. |
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| 04:26.15 | cantido | dmoerner: I think he's just setup a vserver and hasn't configured any routing for it |
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| 04:31.10 | Evet | cantido, its pain in the ass |
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| 04:34.22 | cantido | Evet: it's basically the same setup as NAT, unless you have multiple external ips and you want to give one to each vm |
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| 04:43.46 | Evet | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s ! 192.168.1.0/24 -m tcp -p tcp --dport $EXTPORT -j DNAT --to-destination $VHOST:$INTPORT |
| 04:43.59 | Evet | what i should write to variables |
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| 04:46.31 | Evet | cantido? |
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| 04:47.06 | cantido | Evet: that looks like forwarding ports,.. |
| 04:47.21 | dean1012__ | just switched to debian a week ago |
| 04:47.28 | cantido | Evet: I used DNAT and SNAT rules to stick an ip on to my vhosts |
| 04:47.32 | dean1012__ | gotta say I love it a lot more than other distros already |
| 04:47.37 | cantido | Evet: s/vhosts/vservers/ |
| 04:48.16 | dean1012__ | Matter of fact, I was able to do what I wanted with Debian when I was unsuccessful on other platforms so just thought I'm come here and show my appreciation if anyone was here who contributes to Debian |
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| 04:51.29 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know whether it's possible to replace the keyboard and mouse with a videogame controller that has a USB port? |
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| 04:52.04 | Evet | cantido, sorry i cant get |
| 04:52.28 | cantido | Evet: do you want to forward all traffic to an IP to the vserver or a single port? |
| 04:52.41 | Evet | cantido, no |
| 04:53.57 | cantido | Evet: what do you want to do? |
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| 04:54.43 | rain_ | dean1012__: Welcome! Happy for you. Promise you though, some things _will_ get to you. Good luck. |
| 04:54.56 | Evet | cantido, just establish internet connection |
| 04:55.27 | cantido | Evet: so you need ip masquerading |
| 04:56.01 | Evet | cantido, how i can do that |
| 04:56.54 | cantido | theres a package called ipmasq that does it for you I think |
| 04:57.19 | cantido | you probably then want dnsmasq too so that you can cache dns queuries |
| 04:57.49 | Evet | cantido, if i had IPs, i dont need that, right? |
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| 05:01.16 | cantido | Evet: if you have public IPs you just need to plumb the data coming in to the vservers and backout again |
| 05:02.19 | Evet | cantido, how many IPs a root server can afford? |
| 05:02.26 | Evet | 100? 200? more? |
| 05:02.36 | cantido | I doubt you have that many public ips |
| 05:03.40 | Evet | cantido, i have only 4. but i can purchase |
| 05:04.13 | cantido | not sure what the limit is in linux, probably 1000's |
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| 05:11.50 | Evet | cantido, so, the only limit is OS? |
| 05:12.11 | cantido | Evet: yeah, but its going to be expensive getting that many ips |
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| 05:18.45 | Evet | cantido, my provider's IP procedure a bit strange |
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| 05:19.46 | Evet | 40$ setup fee + 20$ monthly fee for 30 IPs |
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| 05:20.13 | Evet | 140$ setup fee + 20$ monthle fee for 30+ IPs |
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| 05:36.10 | zefyx | how do i see what file system a disk i have listed in fdisk is? i'm trying to mount the disk and i tried ext2, ext3, & ext4 guessing, mount is telling me they are all incorrect. |
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| 05:37.13 | CcSsNET | fdisk /dev/drive , once inside press p |
| 05:37.50 | CcSsNET | l for a list of types u can change it to |
| 05:37.55 | CcSsNET | and t to specify a new type |
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| 05:39.25 | zefyx | hrm |
| 05:39.28 | zefyx | doesnt list ext3 or ext4 |
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| 05:44.10 | carlitos___ | hi all , pls somebody can tell what is this mean : I try to fix many ways : but I can not : this the error error: HPMUDEXT could not be loaded. Please check HPLIP installation |
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| 05:46.20 | hark | zefyx: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/fstype /dev/foo |
| 05:46.51 | hark | carlitos___: which version of debian? |
| 05:46.58 | carlitos___ | debian lenny |
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| 05:47.57 | acidslep | I don't suppose i could get some X help here? |
| 05:48.31 | cantido | zefyx: mount doesnt really care about the partition type btw |
| 05:48.52 | acidslep | does anyone know what FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO: Invalid argument is all about? |
| 05:49.43 | carlitos___ | hark: I have debian lenny |
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| 05:50.51 | acidslep | i can really find nothing at all |
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| 05:54.04 | hark | carlitos___: what's the output of dpkg -l hplip |tail -1 |
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| 05:54.44 | carlitos___ | rc hplip 2.8.6.b-4 HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP) |
| 05:55.14 | hark | carlitos___: it's not even installed? |
| 05:56.27 | carlitos___ | I installed but Everytime I put hp-setup or any command , the error shows |
| 05:57.23 | hark | not according to that, anyway i have to go. later |
| 05:57.41 | carlitos___ | how to finished to install that ? |
| 05:57.44 | carlitos___ | pls |
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| 06:08.39 | Thick_McRunfast | Quick question, What's the best way to make a netinst partition on a disk? If I'm installing Mac OSX on a system without removeable media, (DVD drive busted, etc) I just access the HDD, make a partition large enough for installation media at the end of the drive, then start up the machine from that, do the install, then wipe the partition |
| 06:09.03 | Thick_McRunfast | I'm trying to do this with a 486 with no removeable media or USB, |
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| 06:09.13 | Thick_McRunfast | It can't boot from PCMCIA either |
| 06:10.56 | Thick_McRunfast | Would creating a FAT32 partition, copying all the files from the netinst CD, then installing grub accomplish the same thing? |
| 06:11.21 | cantido | Thick_McRunfast: if you can connect the drive to another machine, just install it with qemu |
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| 06:11.47 | cantido | Thick_McRunfast: give the raw block device to qemu along with a debian-installer iso, install and then move the drive |
| 06:11.53 | Thick_McRunfast | Yeah, I did that, but it installed 2.6-686 automatically |
| 06:12.04 | Thick_McRunfast | so I was reinstalling -486, |
| 06:12.12 | cantido | Thick_McRunfast: boot it once in qemu, install the 486 kernel |
| 06:12.14 | Thick_McRunfast | but I noticed an option "Only install drivers for this system" |
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| 06:12.34 | Thick_McRunfast | For whatever reason I can't actually boot the block device in qemu on Mac OSX |
| 06:12.37 | cantido | eh? where was that option? |
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| 06:12.50 | cantido | OSX doesnt allow raw disk access? |
| 06:12.56 | Thick_McRunfast | The drive shows up as a really big drive, like... hundreds of thousands of TB |
| 06:13.19 | Thick_McRunfast | cantido: If you boot into the advanced installer, that's one of the options in Debian 5 |
| 06:13.49 | cantido | It can't install all that many machine-specific drivers.. not many are external to the kernel |
| 06:13.58 | Thick_McRunfast | Hmm. |
| 06:14.20 | Thick_McRunfast | ./i386-softmmu -m 512 -localtime -net nic -net user -hda /dev/disk2 -boot c is what I was trying to boot it with, |
| 06:14.32 | Thick_McRunfast | disk2 is the drive connected via USB |
| 06:15.05 | Thick_McRunfast | It brings up GRUB, but then doesn't progress any further |
| 06:15.22 | cantido | I've never really used osx on my mac, so I don't know how it handles raw devices |
| 06:15.33 | cantido | Thick_McRunfast: you managed to install to the drive? |
| 06:15.40 | Thick_McRunfast | Not exactly |
| 06:15.58 | Thick_McRunfast | I dd'd from the drive to a local image, installed on that image, then dd'd it back to the drive. |
| 06:16.09 | Thick_McRunfast | unfortunately, this process took something like 10 hours |
| 06:16.12 | cantido | mmm that should also work |
| 06:16.21 | Thick_McRunfast | I'd really not like to repeat it |
| 06:16.37 | cantido | you can copy and iso and loader to a harddrive and start install from that, I dont think you can install over the install media though |
| 06:16.51 | cantido | s/and iso/an iso/ |
| 06:17.01 | Thick_McRunfast | Shouldn't need to install over the install media |
| 06:17.11 | Thick_McRunfast | I'll just format the swap partition |
| 06:17.23 | cantido | Thick_McRunfast: look at the hd install media bit on the debian-installer page |
| 06:17.58 | cantido | for old machines I've always used qemu and a CF card though |
| 06:18.12 | Thick_McRunfast | Alas |
| 06:18.24 | Thick_McRunfast | This is the first machine that method has not worked on |
| 06:18.48 | cantido | hd install media should do it I think |
| 06:18.59 | Thick_McRunfast | I'm thinking of getting/making something that exposes the second IDE channel so I could plug a CF->IDE adapter in and not even have to touch the first disk |
| 06:19.08 | cantido | if it's got a nic that has a pxe boot rom you could do that too |
| 06:19.12 | Thick_McRunfast | hahaha |
| 06:19.13 | Thick_McRunfast | ha |
| 06:20.01 | Thick_McRunfast | It's gotten to the point where I default to assuming "no" on the "can this machine actually do ____" list |
| 06:20.06 | cantido | I've always done usb CF reader on the decent machine, and then CF->IDE in the shitty old machine |
| 06:20.33 | Thick_McRunfast | The only way to do PXE would be to install gPXE on the HDD, then hope it was actually read |
| 06:21.07 | cantido | if it's got ide though.. can't your scrounge up an old cdrom drive ;) |
| 06:21.38 | Thick_McRunfast | I'm actually in a hotel in Japan, |
| 06:21.57 | Thick_McRunfast | All I have is a USB->IDE adapter |
| 06:22.06 | Thick_McRunfast | and an endless supply of old, crappy laptops |
| 06:24.26 | cantido | Go to akihabara and get a drive |
| 06:24.47 | cantido | or the local hardoff or something |
| 06:25.24 | Thick_McRunfast | Well, I still wouldn't actually be able to connect it |
| 06:25.56 | cantido | what the hell are you doing in a hotel anyhow,.. you should be out eatting curry pan! |
| 06:26.20 | Thick_McRunfast | Waiting for my friend to get ready... |
| 06:26.27 | Thick_McRunfast | I think he's passed out again |
| 06:26.32 | Thick_McRunfast | I might just go out without him. |
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| 06:27.26 | cantido | actually, meh on going out.. it's melting hot still heh |
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| 06:30.55 | Thick_McRunfast | 'strue... Where in Japan are you? |
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| 06:31.03 | cantido | Hokkaidou |
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| 06:31.27 | Thick_McRunfast | Ah, too far away |
| 06:31.32 | Thick_McRunfast | I'm in Tokyo |
| 06:32.33 | cantido | you can probably get a 486 with a cdrom for 1000yen in akihabara |
| 06:33.07 | Thick_McRunfast | but that takes all the fun out of it! |
| 06:34.26 | cantido | unless it's un fmtowns or something it's no fun anyhow :P |
| 06:34.57 | Thick_McRunfast | well... you might be right ;) |
| 06:35.18 | cantido | has managed to get wine infected with some virus |
| 06:35.30 | Thick_McRunfast | I come from an all-Mac background, so testing out how Debian runs on old hardware is fun for me |
| 06:35.44 | Thick_McRunfast | oh, crap. It's raining again. |
| 06:36.00 | Thick_McRunfast | Time to grab my umbrella and go to Akiba to take pictures |
| 06:36.12 | Thick_McRunfast | I'll be back later, hopefully with pictures! |
| 06:36.29 | cantido | don't let the scary maids mug you |
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| 06:38.06 | Thick_McRunfast | My friend's been trying to talk me into letting him record me behaving strangely to maids... like running up to them like the leaflet they're trying to give me is the secret to life or other such things... I think the best one is running up, taking the paper, crumpling it up and eating it, then strutting away |
| 06:38.49 | cantido | this is why I avoid tokyo |
| 06:38.53 | Thick_McRunfast | hahaha |
| 06:39.03 | Thick_McRunfast | Tokyo is fun though! |
| 06:39.16 | Thick_McRunfast | I really love it, but I've only been out of tokyo twice, Nagoya and Osaka |
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| 06:39.46 | acidslep | aww |
| 06:39.48 | Thick_McRunfast | If I succeed in moving here I'll see more of the country before settling down, I really liked what I saw of towns outside of big cities. |
| 06:40.14 | acidslep | I have never been to tokyo, but a good friend of mine is moving there |
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| 06:40.43 | Thick_McRunfast | Amazing city, I love it. |
| 06:41.45 | Thick_McRunfast | A bit too much smoke at times, but the architecture/asthetic of the buildings in the side-streets, the sea of rooftops as seen from a train, |
| 06:41.52 | Thick_McRunfast | amazing. |
| 06:41.55 | Thick_McRunfast | Anyway, I'm out! |
| 06:42.25 | cantido | liked the crazy old guys pissing in the street etc |
| 06:42.26 | Evet | Which hosting-mangement software do you suggest? |
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| 07:10.28 | awatkins | Apologies if my Google-fu is poor, but is there anyone who could give a quick overview of getting AUFS working under Lenny (Xen i686)? I assumed it would be a case of installing the relevant -modules packages and aufs-tools, but 'aufs' is not recognised a filesystem type; I suspect I'm being very ignorant. |
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| 07:14.58 | fxiny | heheeh |
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| 07:15.18 | fxiny | wrong windows |
| 07:15.25 | cantido | awatkins: you would need to install the modules, if you're using xen you might not be able to do that |
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| 07:17.48 | awatkins | cantido: Well I assumed "aptitude install aufs-modules" and then "modprobe aufs" would be what was required. |
| 07:17.55 | awatkins | But I fear that I'm missing a big point. |
| 07:18.32 | cantido | awatkins: that's if the kernel you're vm is booting with is under your control |
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| 07:19.38 | awatkins | Ah, I think that may be a point, thank you. |
| 07:19.40 | cantido | awatkins: s/you're/your/ |
| 07:20.12 | cantido | 's english is getting worse then ten million dollar spam email |
| 07:20.40 | awatkins | Given that uname -r = 2.6.18-xenU, and the modules packages are for 2.6.26 |
| 07:20.54 | awatkins | I think that is most certainly the problem, thank you :) |
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| 07:22.01 | cantido | spent weeks getting some xen provider to install tun/tap modules |
| 07:22.40 | awatkins | I believe my hosting provider will let me setup an Ubuntu server, which should include aufs by default. |
| 07:23.05 | tawan | finds the perfect image for his new Squeeze desktop http://pixarplanet.com/blog/images/783.jpg |
| 07:23.29 | awatkins | I'd rather have Debian though… I guess it may be possible that it's because this ostensibly an Etch VM upgraded to lenny. |
| 07:23.37 | awatkins | Anyway, cantido, thank you very much |
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| 08:17.39 | gynter | hmm, any ideas why cfdisk shows FS as Linux after mkfs.vfat? |
| 08:18.05 | gynter | same with fdisk |
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| 08:18.13 | gynter | hdd size is 250GB |
| 08:18.18 | Tommy_DO | gynter: because the partition table has nothing to do with filesystems |
| 08:18.18 | gynter | part size too |
| 08:18.43 | gynter | usually fdisk has been correct about the FS |
| 08:19.07 | gynter | cfdisk allows to change FS type and shows em |
| 08:19.37 | gynter | anyways it's mounted correctly as vfat, so I dunno whats wrong |
| 08:19.41 | cantido | partition type in the pc partition table means little to mount etc |
| 08:20.04 | Tommy_DO | as i said, fdisk and cfdisk only read the partition table |
| 08:20.49 | Tommy_DO | change the partition type to "c", which is the best choice for vfat |
| 08:21.08 | gynter | well if I do mkreiserfs then cfdisk shows ReiserFS not Linux as with vfat, why is that so? |
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| 08:21.29 | myself | if i want to go on the terminal i use for KDE in WINE, what is teh command for it? |
| 08:22.45 | cantido | myself: konsole is kde's standard terminal emulator.. other than that I cant understand what you've written |
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| 08:23.38 | Tommy_DO | gynter: dunno. afaik reiserfs has no own partitions system id |
| 08:23.50 | gynter | yes, it doesn't |
| 08:23.53 | Tommy_DO | it's just linux, like every other linux fs |
| 08:24.07 | gynter | thats odd, shows reiserfs for me :S |
| 08:25.19 | Tommy_DO | gynter: just tested it. cfdisk shows system id of partition table as well as filesystem |
| 08:25.22 | myself | cantido thats cool thank you |
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| 08:26.02 | gynter | hmm, shows fat32 if FS is vfat? |
| 08:26.03 | Tommy_DO | gynter: there should be something like an entry "Linux reiserFS" |
| 08:26.45 | Tommy_DO | gynter: could be. it's really unimportant what cfdisk thinks the partitions filesystem might be |
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| 08:27.03 | gynter | how can I check what FS i really have on certain partition? |
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| 08:29.29 | Tommy_DO | gynter: for mounted partitions this is very easy. df -T or mount can tell you that |
| 08:29.50 | gynter | well mount -l shows its vfat, then its OK |
| 08:29.55 | jonlin | Hey, quick question for anyone who knows; I salvaged a Socket 478 Celeron processor (Willamette-128,) wondered if anyone knew if it would be compatible with an LGA775 mobo? Sorry if this is the wrong chan to ask in... |
| 08:30.26 | arvind_khadri | hi, how do i know how much of RAM i have? |
| 08:30.36 | gynter | cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 08:31.30 | gynter | jonlin, LGA775 is Socket T (775) |
| 08:31.34 | unikon | anyone know an easy way to install pidgin 2.5.8 on Lenny is there any .Debs yet for it or a tutorial showing how to build a installable package from source |
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| 08:31.45 | arvind_khadri | thanks |
| 08:31.55 | Tommy_DO | gynter: nevertheless, I'm wondering why you don't trust the result of a mkfs.vfat ;) |
| 08:32.14 | gynter | Because I have had problems with it before |
| 08:32.22 | gynter | that windows doesn't recognize the FS |
| 08:32.27 | cem | turkce konusan yokmu burada |
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| 08:32.42 | cem | Sysinfo for 'debian-cem': Linux 2.6.26-2-686 running , CPU: Celeron(Mendocino) at 534 MHz (1070 bogomips), HD: 3/8GB, RAM: 117/123MB, 117 proc's, 1.3h up |
| 08:32.47 | jonlin | unikon: I don't think there is; use apt-get build-dep pidgin to grab the dev packages you need then build it from source |
| 08:32.51 | jonlin | what I did ^^. |
| 08:33.21 | arvind_khadri | gynter, i have 4gb of ram but only 2gb of it is being shown, what can be the issue? |
| 08:33.32 | cem | debin da grubu kursam pakety,neticisi ile sistem ucarmi |
| 08:33.36 | craigevil | unikon: backports has pidgin 2.5.8 |
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| 08:33.42 | gynter | what does bios say, and can your mobo support so much ram? |
| 08:34.14 | unikon | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.26 | unikon | jonlin thatns for the response |
| 08:34.42 | gynter | jonlin, basically LGA775 has 775 pins and Socket 478 has 478 pins, so you can't use 478 cpu on 775. |
| 08:35.21 | jonlin | gynter: shame, looks like I'm going to be spending more money then! Thanks |
| 08:35.45 | gynter | spend less and get 478 mobo for $15 :P |
| 08:35.49 | gynter | or even less |
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| 08:37.06 | gynter | thou i reccommend to get some core2duo cpu on it |
| 08:37.16 | gynter | or Xeon for servers |
| 08:37.57 | gynter | basically, if its a server, get Core 2 Extreme (or Quad) or Xeon |
| 08:38.39 | gynter | but be sure you get Socket T (775) version, check wikipedia for compatible releases for Socket T |
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| 08:39.26 | arvind_khadri | gynter, i have a amd 64 bit running on it |
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| 08:40.25 | gynter | err, on Socket T? |
| 08:40.45 | gynter | can't be |
| 08:41.32 | gynter | Then it should be AM2 (+) or 939 or similar |
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| 08:42.35 | gynter | Socket T (LGA775) is intel only socket |
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| 08:51.45 | arvind_khadri | gynter, the bios says that i can use only 2.8gb of the 4gb |
| 08:53.50 | gynter | desktop or laptop? and what mobo you got? |
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| 08:55.27 | gynter | do dmidecode | less |
| 08:55.28 | arvind_khadri | gynter, desktop, Asus mobo |
| 08:55.46 | gynter | wanna know exact model of mobo |
| 08:56.12 | arvind_khadri | dmidecode command not found |
| 08:57.06 | gynter | really? apt-get install dmidecode then |
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| 08:58.18 | arvind_khadri | wtf!!!!apt says that its already the newest version |
| 08:58.28 | cast | evening all, if i in the case of say my web browser and irc client, don't entirely trust them, what's the best way to lock them down? apparmor doesn't seem to be part of debian, SELinux is system wide [and a PITA to configure], there's systrace but not sure if anyone uses that.. |
| 08:59.53 | arvind_khadri | gynter, wtf!!!!apt says that its already the newest version |
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| 09:00.27 | arvind_khadri | gynter, ok got it |
| 09:00.35 | arvind_khadri | gynter, what do you want from it?? |
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| 09:01.22 | arvind_khadri | gynter, its Asus M2V-TVM |
| 09:01.25 | cast | looks at TOMOYO |
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| 09:05.33 | gynter | arvind_khadri, M2V-TVM max supported ram is 2 GB |
| 09:06.08 | arvind_khadri | gynter, ok, so even if i upgrade the bios it wont help? |
| 09:06.20 | gynter | don't know about it |
| 09:06.54 | gynter | I recommend to you to make a conversation with Google about it. |
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| 09:07.16 | gynter | Google knows a bit more that I do. |
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| 09:08.40 | cantido | arvind_khadri: if it's an older machine it'll probably never support more than 3gb |
| 09:09.10 | arvind_khadri | cantido, i brought this machine 3 years ago... |
| 09:09.26 | cantido | yep, probably limited to around the 3gb mark then |
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| 09:10.13 | arvind_khadri | ohh, :( :S |
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| 09:30.57 | petemc | find /foo -type f | while read ; do ln -s "$REPLY" /bar/`basename "$REPLY"` ; done , completely untested |
| 09:31.23 | petemc | and theres probably lots of better ways to do it than that, if that even works |
| 09:31.28 | petemc | should go back to bed |
| 09:31.59 | sunoano | well, sure, a loop but as you say, I am sure there are ready made tools available |
| 09:32.31 | sunoano | usually I use emacs dired for it but then this is a remote machine |
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| 09:40.37 | Evet | i downloaded a .deb file. How can I install it? |
| 09:40.51 | simonrvn | man dpkg |
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| 10:15.29 | xand | o.o |
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| 10:21.20 | netsrot | Hi, anyone who can help me with PXE boot? I dont seem to manage to get tftp working. |
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| 10:55.25 | liable | dude |
| 10:55.43 | liable | don't even think about blaming your cat or kid |
| 10:55.51 | bvalek2 | he is trying to tell us, that he has keyboard problems :) |
| 10:56.08 | dutchfish | or a keyboard/chair problem |
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| 11:01.14 | runa_ | how can i install the nvidia drivers with the 2.6.30 drivers? |
| 11:01.45 | runa_ | is there a repo for the non free drivers? |
| 11:01.59 | xand | !nvidia |
| 11:01.59 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 11:10.20 | DeSian | want to add new path in .bashrc like that /cake/console, but isn't work for me?! |
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| 11:14.29 | abrotman | DeSian: for which shell? |
| 11:14.52 | DeSian | abrotman, gnome terminal |
| 11:15.05 | azeem_ | that's a terminal emulator not a shell |
| 11:15.11 | azeem_ | it /runs/ a shell, like bash |
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| 11:15.51 | DeSian | azeem_, srry with bashrc |
| 11:17.14 | DeSian | have added "export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/var/www/cake_source/cake/console" in .profile & .bashrc but not worked!? |
| 11:18.23 | azeem_ | did you try .bash_profile? |
| 11:18.36 | azeem_ | and is this a login shell or not? |
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| 11:22.52 | DeSian | azeem_, idon't know what you mean with login or ..etc. is worked simply under MAC to add export path in .profile but not under linux! |
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| 11:34.38 | bostko | hi guys i have a little problem my gnome cannot mount pen drives |
| 11:34.47 | bostko | also I cannot burn discs |
| 11:35.02 | bostko | these operations can be done only via root user |
| 11:35.10 | bostko | how can i fix this |
| 11:35.17 | cantido | you're missing some group |
| 11:35.37 | bostko | what do you mean |
| 11:36.04 | cantido | you probably need to add yourself to, I think, the media group.. or something like that |
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| 11:39.07 | abrotman | plugdev ? |
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| 11:40.06 | cantido | maybe that one too |
| 11:40.17 | cantido | has forgotten all the various groups |
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| 11:52.34 | pistorexDD | Hi |
| 11:52.47 | pistorexDD | help-me virtualbox |
| 11:53.22 | abrotman | !br |
| 11:53.23 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:53.33 | pistorexDD | NoT |
| 11:53.36 | pistorexDD | =S |
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| 11:53.43 | pistorexDD | Please help-me virtualbox |
| 11:53.46 | pistorexDD | this error |
| 11:54.02 | pistorexDD | I'm install the virtualbox in my debian 5.01 |
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| 11:54.32 | johnny43 | hi guys.. when I run "sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter" i get the following error: "Couldn't find package b43-fwcutter".. can anyone help? |
| 11:54.40 | pistorexDD | vbox status code -1908 ( verr_vm_driver_not_installed |
| 11:54.57 | johnny43 | (I have a BCM4318) |
| 11:56.28 | Thick_McRunfast | johnny43: Try "aptitude search b43" |
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| 11:57.10 | johnny43 | Thick: this gives empty output |
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| 11:58.20 | fxiny | johnny43: add contrib to your sources.list |
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| 12:02.02 | pistorexDD | help-me |
| 12:02.47 | Thick_McRunfast | johnny43: That means there are no packages that match b43 |
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| 12:03.28 | johnny43 | how do I have to add "contrib" to my "sources.list" exactly? I have the file open in gedit.. |
| 12:04.29 | abrotman | johnny43: you put it at the end of your sources .. |
| 12:04.30 | xand | johnny43: e.g. deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 12:04.30 | johnny43 | ah.. "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free" |
| 12:04.39 | abrotman | johnny43: yes, just like that .. don't use the 'squeeze' line that xand gave you |
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| 12:15.06 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 12:27.08 | arl | hi |
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| 12:27.58 | arl | hm, i quickly setted up debian testing, using english as the default language |
| 12:28.09 | arl | but i use a german keymap |
| 12:28.26 | arl | which works on the tty, but not in X |
| 12:28.37 | valdyn | !keymap |
| 12:28.38 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 12:28.42 | arl | ah |
| 12:29.26 | arl | wasnt that working with just reconfiguring xserver-xorg in the past |
| 12:29.27 | valdyn | arl: iows use your desktop environments tool if you can |
| 12:29.38 | arl | i have to set a keymap there too |
| 12:29.38 | valdyn | arl: it was |
| 12:30.49 | arl | hm, let me check |
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| 12:32.45 | arl | hm |
| 12:33.05 | arl | that didnt change anything |
| 12:33.27 | arl | !keymap |
| 12:33.27 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 12:34.37 | arl | wonder what the reason is, that it cant be changed anymore with just configuring xserver-xorg |
| 12:35.07 | abrotman | it's supposed to be smart enough to figure it out |
| 12:36.22 | arl | looks pretty dump to me |
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| 12:40.13 | xand | damp? |
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| 12:40.38 | arl | dumb |
| 12:40.39 | abrotman | dumb ? |
| 12:41.20 | Arafangion | arl: Sounds pretty stupid to require root to change some keyboard setting. |
| 12:42.02 | arl | well, but there are default keyboard settings, which cant be changed easyliy |
| 12:42.47 | arl | anyway, what should i do, when i dont use kde and neither gnome |
| 12:43.05 | abrotman | setting your keymap in your xorg.conf doesn't help ? |
| 12:45.34 | arl | current xserver package even doesnt create it |
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| 12:46.42 | pistorexDD | hi |
| 12:46.44 | pistorexDD | hei |
| 12:46.46 | pistorexDD | hey |
| 12:46.47 | pistorexDD | Help-me |
| 12:46.57 | pistorexDD | my Debian is not running VirtualBox |
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| 12:50.57 | margiolas | pistorexDD: what s your problem in more details? |
| 12:51.18 | pistorexDD | margiolas: Ok |
| 12:52.06 | pistorexDD | My distro is Debian 5.01 my Kernel is 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 12:52.24 | pistorexDD | i'm install the Virtualbox at Apt-get , but not working |
| 12:53.16 | pistorexDD | Details for the error ( vbox status code -1908 ( verr_vm_driver_not_installed |
| 12:53.16 | pistorexDD | modprobe vboxdrv |
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| 12:53.42 | arl | so, noone in here knows how to change xorg keymap in current testing |
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| 12:54.49 | mjt | arl: dpkg told you already |
| 12:55.37 | arl | no |
| 12:55.45 | arl | !kemap |
| 12:55.48 | arl | !keymap |
| 12:55.48 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 12:56.10 | mjt | i've seen that 2 times already |
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| 12:57.04 | mjt | !drxx |
| 12:57.04 | dpkg | For Lenny onwards, ask me about <xorg config>. For Etch, reconfigure your X server by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root; this will overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (Sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 12:57.18 | margiolas | pistorexDD: i suppose the kernel module haven't been compiled for your kernel. the installation was ok ? |
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| 12:58.20 | abrotman | !br |
| 12:58.21 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:58.22 | kar_d2 | hi, is there an easy way to install php4 in lenny? (i need it to do some updates first and upgrade then to php5 :?) |
| 12:58.45 | arl | so all it is saying that i have to configure xorg |
| 12:58.49 | arl | great |
| 12:58.52 | mjt | arl: gnome and kde has gui applets for that stuff. You can change default too, by creating xorg.conf |
| 12:59.04 | abrotman | kar_d2: it's been removed |
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| 12:59.24 | arl | so to sum it up, its broken in current testing and i have to configure it manualy |
| 12:59.36 | pistorexDD | margiolas: its ok |
| 12:59.42 | fxiny | arl: III.6. Example of modern configuration -> http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 12:59.47 | mjt | arl: the thing is that now, it's all dynamic, no need to have static config file at all. |
| 12:59.48 | kar_d2 | abrotman: yes, thats why i am asking |
| 13:00.20 | arl | mjt: i know but the dynamic config assumes a wrong keymapm based on the system language |
| 13:00.32 | mjt | arl: it looks like only you treats it as "broken". |
| 13:00.46 | abrotman | kar_d2: you could try to get the packages from the archive .. and install them yourself .. just make sure you remember to remove all the etch bits |
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| 13:01.22 | arl | well, whatever to call it |
| 13:01.33 | kar_d2 | abrotman: ok, i will give that a shot - thanks |
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| 13:02.35 | eptalon | heyas |
| 13:02.59 | eptalon | is java currently at 6-14, or 6-15, for the sun-variant? |
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| 13:14.12 | iisjmii | Does anybody know if I can supply the password of a ssh-session as a command line parameter? |
| 13:14.30 | Thick_McRunfast | There are some ways to do it, but it's best done with a key |
| 13:14.31 | Thick_McRunfast | much simpler |
| 13:14.34 | abrotman | iisjmii: didn't we cover this yesterday ? |
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| 13:15.01 | iisjmii | wasn't there yesterday |
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| 13:15.16 | abrotman | iisjmii: you probably want to use ssh keys |
| 13:15.41 | iisjmii | abrotman : thx |
| 13:16.19 | Thick_McRunfast | is ignored |
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| 13:19.51 | TheGrue1024 | Hello, can someone help me configuring lilo for serial console access? Of course I read the howto, but I did not manage to get any lilo prompt... |
| 13:20.52 | TheGrue1024 | Maybe it's because of the unusual port of my PCI card: |
| 13:20.52 | TheGrue1024 | Jul 25 09:01:05 vdr kernel: 0000:03:05.0: ttyS0 at I/O 0xe800 (irq = 17) is a 16550A |
| 13:20.52 | TheGrue1024 | Jul 25 09:01:05 vdr kernel: 0000:03:05.0: ttyS1 at I/O 0xe400 (irq = 17) is a 16550A |
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| 13:21.21 | ix | 16550As are not unusual, quite contrary :-) |
| 13:21.39 | ix | have you tested the cable using something like minicom? |
| 13:21.52 | ix | to see if you get data across? |
| 13:21.57 | TheGrue1024 | Have you had a look at the address? 0xe800 ... |
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| 13:22.08 | lord_rob | Hi ! Are J2SE/J2EEE packaged into Debian ? |
| 13:22.14 | TheGrue1024 | Yes, I can login and get kernel messages via ttyS0 |
| 13:22.16 | xand | lilo :S |
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| 13:22.29 | TheGrue1024 | Grub Legacy didn't work, either |
| 13:23.41 | ix | and what is your lilo configuration like? |
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| 13:23.55 | TheGrue1024 | I';; just send the serial part, ok ? |
| 13:24.23 | TheGrue1024 | serial=0,115200n8 |
| 13:24.23 | TheGrue1024 | timeout=100 |
| 13:25.06 | TheGrue1024 | This is working, in /etc/inittab: |
| 13:25.06 | TheGrue1024 | # Example how to put a getty on a serial line (for a terminal) |
| 13:25.06 | TheGrue1024 | T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty ttyS0 115200 vt102 |
| 13:25.06 | TheGrue1024 | # |
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| 13:26.00 | TheGrue1024 | Why have I been thrown out ? |
| 13:26.40 | TheGrue1024 | Of course, the machine where I want to log in is a debian machine ;) |
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| 13:27.07 | ix | You aren't technically supposed to paste stuff here. :-) |
| 13:27.40 | alex12 | * debhelper has kicked TheGrue1024 from #debian (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 13:27.46 | alex12 | can you understand english? |
| 13:27.47 | lord_rob | you're not allowed to paste actually |
| 13:28.08 | lord_rob | read the topic |
| 13:28.18 | TheGrue1024 | Ups, sorry. |
| 13:29.39 | ix | TheGrue1024: Hm. That configuration seems okay with me. Are you able to get boot messages from the kernel on the serial line? |
| 13:30.26 | ix | after specifying something a kernel parameter like console=ttyS0,115200 |
| 13:30.41 | ix | err... |
| 13:30.54 | TheGrue1024 | Yes, I can see kernel output |
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| 13:30.57 | ix | is overflowing with "somethings" |
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| 13:31.26 | TheGrue1024 | Ang I can log in with a getty that is running on ttyS0 |
| 13:31.50 | ix | I know it is a long shot, but have you tried replacing the port number in the lilo configuration? |
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| 13:34.17 | TheGrue1024 | You mean e.g. "serial=1,115200n8" ? No, I didn't. At least with lilo. I tried this with grub, even tried --port=0xe800 (with grub) but it didn't work. I'll try it with lilo now. Please wait... |
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| 13:36.44 | ajavid | good morning |
| 13:37.21 | TheGrue1024 | No, "1" didn't work |
| 13:38.19 | ix | hrmf |
| 13:38.32 | TheGrue1024 | sorry for the question, but how do I paste something whithout getting kicked again? How do I use #flood? |
| 13:38.42 | ix | and as you said, you've tried specifying the actual port... |
| 13:39.02 | ix | use something like pastebin.com |
| 13:39.11 | ix | and paste the URL here |
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| 13:41.33 | TheGrue1024 | The lilo.conf manpage says something that I don't understand. Somthing about a "break" to get the botloaders attention... |
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| 13:41.53 | TheGrue1024 | I DID type with less errors, once... |
| 13:42.41 | Pnux | hey guys, which software for virtual machines do you recommend from the repos? |
| 13:42.57 | TheGrue1024 | From the manpage: http://pastebin.com/m54655bd4 |
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| 13:44.20 | ix | Pnux: kvm. |
| 13:44.41 | ajavid | Pnux, virtualbox |
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| 13:44.47 | ajavid | kvm is too slow |
| 13:45.03 | abrotman | don't you need the non-free stuff to make vbox go fast ? |
| 13:45.09 | Pnux | ix, ajavid: any special reason? |
| 13:45.12 | ajavid | I don't think so |
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| 13:45.33 | ShereKhan | How can I remove a metapackage without losing all the dependencies? I have KDE installed, but want to remove some of the components (like games) but keep the rest |
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| 13:46.25 | Pnux | ShereKhan: install kde-standar i guess |
| 13:46.29 | ix | kvm is slow? are you sure you've tried it with the kernel module loaded? :-p |
| 13:46.45 | ix | TheGrue1024: Have you tried sending a break? |
| 13:46.48 | TheGrue1024 | Ix ("Ford Prefect"?): So it seems I am stuck... Unfortunately, the #grub guys don't support grub-legacy any more. And I _really_ would like to have a working serial line before I upgrade this machine... |
| 13:46.53 | arvind_khadri | vbox's free version is pretty old and useless as guest additions dont work |
| 13:47.04 | ix | TheGrue1024: ;-) |
| 13:47.10 | TheGrue1024 | Ix: No - I don't know how.... |
| 13:47.14 | ix | TheGrue1024: If you use minicom, it's C-A-F |
| 13:47.14 | ShereKhan | Pnux: Is that an actual package? I can't find it. |
| 13:47.29 | TheGrue1024 | Ok, I'll try minicom. I used cu and screen until now... |
| 13:48.19 | Pnux | ShereKhan: yup, "i kde-standard - the K Desktop Environment, standard desktop applications" |
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| 13:49.01 | Pnux | ShereKhan: i installed that one and i have no games |
| 13:49.15 | ajavid | is this for stable? |
| 13:49.30 | ajavid | kde3? |
| 13:49.44 | Pnux | oh, i forgot.. its kde4 |
| 13:49.57 | surfer27 | hi guys.. may I ask for help? my parallel port is not working.. it's not listet in /proc/interrupts and /proc/ioports .. there is no irq 5 or 7 device |
| 13:49.59 | ShereKhan | Pnux: Which version do you have, and what do your sources.list look like? I have no kde-standard on 5.0 with lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 13:50.09 | nachos | is there a console font like the X windows 'fixed' font |
| 13:50.12 | ajavid | ShereKhan, next time please mention your version of kde and your version of debian |
| 13:50.22 | ajavid | ShereKhan, are you on lenny stable and you have kde 3.5? |
| 13:50.33 | ajavid | ShereKhan, /msg dpkg install kde |
| 13:50.37 | surfer27 | does debian have a problem detecting my parallel port? |
| 13:50.47 | ajavid | ShereKhan, it seems you have installed the full kde metapackage with aptitude |
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| 13:51.25 | jeffwheeler | If I understand it correctly, my gnome-power-manager settings only apply to my account, so they only are used when I'm logged in. |
| 13:51.49 | jeffwheeler | On my system, this means that when I'm logged out, and close my laptop's monitor, it doesn't appear to do anything at all. |
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| 13:52.22 | ShereKhan | ajavid: That sounds about right |
| 13:52.24 | ajavid | ShereKhan http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s07.html |
| 13:52.45 | jeffwheeler | Are there some system-wide power management settings that apply even when I'm not logged in? |
| 13:53.00 | TheGrue1024 | @Ix: Break didn't help. Sniff. |
| 13:53.19 | ajavid | ShereKhan, you probably want to turn off Aptitude::Keep-Suggests |
| 13:53.29 | surfer27 | may I ask for help? my parallel port is not working.. it's not listet in /proc/interrupts and /proc/ioports .. there is no irq 5 or 7 device |
| 13:53.29 | ajavid | ShereKhan, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html#configKeep-Suggests |
| 13:53.59 | TheGrue1024 | Do you know any "specialists" channel for the serial console, lilo or grub-legacy? |
| 13:54.22 | ajavid | ShereKhan, what I do is I always install kde-core first |
| 13:54.30 | ajavid | ShereKhan, then I add individual kde apps as I need them |
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| 13:55.28 | ajavid | ShereKhan, you probably want to turn ON Aptitude::Keep-Suggests |
| 13:55.32 | ajavid | s/off/on |
| 13:56.09 | ajavid | Aptitude::Keep-Suggests <-- this too |
| 13:57.04 | ShereKhan | ajavid: Thanks, I think I'll get it now |
| 13:57.04 | ajavid | otherwise if you remove say aptitude remove noatun, entire kdemultimedia package will be removed, including all other kde multimedia utils |
| 13:57.04 | TheGrue1024 | @Ix: in any case, I'll install grub-legacy again. It doesn't matter which one doesn't work and grub is easier to maintain ;) |
| 13:57.04 | ajavid | or perhaps something else, aptitude makes it go haywire sometimes |
| 13:57.17 | azeem_ | ajavid: are you sure that happens? |
| 13:57.23 | ShereKhan | ajavid: I tried both apt-get and synaptic to remove just some KDE components, but I never figured out how to keep the rest |
| 13:57.27 | azeem_ | I'd be surprised if aptitude behaves like that |
| 13:57.29 | ajavid | azeem_, quite sure |
| 13:57.36 | ajavid | azeem_, that is what I remember anyway |
| 13:57.48 | ajavid | (specificaly with the noatun example) |
| 13:57.59 | ajavid | uses smplayer exclusively |
| 13:58.18 | fxiny | sm ? :P |
| 13:58.23 | fxiny | ajavid: :) |
| 13:58.36 | ajavid | ShereKhan, keep suggest and keep recommends to true will probably fix this odd behaviour of aptitude automatically removing packages |
| 13:59.03 | ajavid | fxiny, Qt4 frontend to mplayer (one of the most featureful and the best) |
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| 13:59.09 | ajavid | !smplayer |
| 13:59.12 | ajavid | no? damn bot |
| 14:00.01 | g00se | ajavid: I think you might find it's more an issue of markauto or the reverse |
| 14:00.21 | ajavid | dpkg smplayer is a complete front-end for MPlayer, from basic features like playing videos, DVDs, and VCDs to more advanced features like support for MPlayer filters and more. http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/ <- available in debian main (aptitude install smplayer) |
| 14:00.21 | dpkg | okay, ajavid |
| 14:00.30 | ajavid | g00se, hmm, that also might be |
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| 14:01.17 | g00se | ajavid: using *both* apt-get and aptitude is not a good idea. Perhaps you have done? |
| 14:01.26 | ajavid | g00se, no, its not me who needs support |
| 14:01.37 | ajavid | g00se, I was trying to help ShereKhan and he has only used aptitude so far it seems |
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| 14:02.12 | g00se | ajavid: sorry ;-) I'd guess he's used both, at least once ;-) |
| 14:02.34 | surfer27 | can anyone help me with my parallel port? i think it's not detected.. no irq and no io address.. |
| 14:02.35 | ajavid | g00se, no his problem was diff, the naotun removal problem was mine but its not a problem anymore as I fixed it |
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| 14:03.10 | ajavid | fxiny, yes sm |
| 14:03.15 | ajavid | fxiny, slave and master player ;) |
| 14:04.07 | ajavid | brb |
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| 14:05.28 | abrotman | surfer27: how are you trying to use it? |
| 14:06.19 | TheGrue1024 | @ix: thanks for trying! cu |
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| 14:07.53 | Pnux | how can i turn off the Aptitude::Keep-Suggest? |
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| 14:09.17 | amitav | I am trying to install from USB stick. When I tried to boot from the USB, it shows only a cursor. where do I start looking for an error? |
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| 14:10.35 | FreakGuard | amitav: X server started then? |
| 14:10.45 | FreakGuard | amitav: just use text-based install |
| 14:11.37 | amitav | FreakGuard: it was a text cursor. I am unsure if X server started |
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| 14:12.05 | surfer27 | abrotman: i'm back soon. i'm trying "noapic" on boot.. |
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| 14:12.19 | ajavid | Pnux, it defaults to off |
| 14:12.23 | ajavid | s/off/false |
| 14:14.00 | Pnux | ajavid: i see, well.. assuming i want to set another option to false/true/whatever, what should i do? I tried 'aptitude -o Keep-Suggests=false' and it opened a little terminal GUI that only listed the status of the packages |
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| 14:14.44 | Pnux | ie (new packages, install packages, not installed, obsolete, virtual, and upgradeable) |
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| 14:15.03 | FreakGuard | amitav: go to console 7, should have logs there |
| 14:15.04 | ajavid | Pnux, man apt.conf |
| 14:15.14 | Pnux | ajavid: thanks |
| 14:16.24 | ajavid | Pnux, edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and add something like APTITUDE::Keep-Suggests "true"; (APTITUDE::option-here "value"; |
| 14:16.31 | ajavid | something like that anyway |
| 14:16.51 | ajavid | Pnux, last bit is just an example |
| 14:18.02 | Pnux | ajavid: seems i dont have that file.. ill check the man.. "debian:/home/pnux# ls /etc/apt apt.conf.d secring.gpg sources.list sources.list~ sources.list.d trustdb.gpg trusted.gpg trusted.gpg~" |
| 14:18.19 | ajavid | like etc/apt/preferences |
| 14:18.23 | ajavid | if you don't have it, create it |
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| 14:18.35 | Pnux | oh |
| 14:19.39 | amitav | FreakGuard: thank you |
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| 14:22.42 | amitav | FreakGuard: there is only a cursor on all consoles or may be no consoles at all. |
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| 14:25.58 | ajavid | amitav, usb install can be a pain. Is it possible for you to use maybe netboot or a cd? |
| 14:26.35 | ajavid | amitav, if your bios can boot from a usb, AND you have properly prepared the usb stick, you should see a debian installer prompt |
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| 14:27.04 | ajavid | amitav, most problems come in AFTER people have booted the installed via usb, but if you can't get it to boot properly, make sure your bios is ok and capable, and that you have properly prepared the usb device |
| 14:27.14 | ajavid | s/installed/installer |
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| 14:31.19 | amitav | ajavid: yeah I am gonna give it another shot. |
| 14:31.59 | ajavid | man damn |
| 14:32.10 | ajavid | I slept 16 hours straight and I'm still sleepy... |
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| 14:34.40 | bododo | Hi folks! :) |
| 14:35.28 | bododo | is there a pdflatex package for debian? |
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| 14:35.29 | bododo | I ued to use it on OSX and I liked it |
| 14:36.03 | rudi_s__ | bododo: texlive |
| 14:36.34 | bododo | rudi_s__: texi2pdf for eg.? |
| 14:36.53 | bododo | nope |
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| 14:37.04 | rudi_s__ | bododo: texi2pdf is in texinfo |
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| 14:37.51 | bododo | yes, that whar I learnt from the man. How would you convert a laTeX file to a pdf, rudi_s__ ? |
| 14:37.58 | bododo | s/whar/what |
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| 14:38.15 | rudi_s__ | bododo: pdflatex like you said. |
| 14:38.22 | rudi_s__ | Install texlive and run pdflatex. |
| 14:39.12 | bododo | ah! so when I install (apt-get install texlive) pdflatex will be available? |
| 14:39.18 | bododo | feels stupid :) |
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| 14:39.30 | rudi_s__ | bododo: Yes, then it's available ;-) |
| 14:39.41 | ajavid | rooot bloody rooot |
| 14:39.42 | bododo | thanks rudi_s__ ! :) |
| 14:39.45 | pingouin | where i can read about what udev do when i plug any device ? some udev log somewhere ? |
| 14:39.48 | ajavid | no way! |
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| 14:39.58 | rudi_s__ | !tell bododo about apt-file |
| 14:39.59 | ajavid | ext4 has no undelete either, FUCK. |
| 14:40.00 | bododo | pingouin: dmesg? |
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| 14:40.04 | rudi_s__ | You're welcome. |
| 14:40.05 | pingouin | bododo: no |
| 14:40.24 | ajavid | oh geezus fucking christ, uhm.. dudes |
| 14:40.24 | bododo | ah, sorry, then? |
| 14:40.24 | ajavid | how do you undelete on ext4 fs? |
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| 14:40.24 | ajavid | oh shit |
| 14:40.34 | ajavid | -facepalm- |
| 14:41.03 | ajavid | oh this sucks major |
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| 14:41.39 | bododo | ajavid: is the file still being used? |
| 14:41.44 | ajavid | no |
| 14:42.02 | pingouin | there is some udev rules that dont work, debian Etch, when i plug a scanner , it never push to the place it should.... i must found it in /proc/bus/usb/xxx/xxx then chmod 777 and then a "simple" user can make it work , the udev rule that give the "scanner" group and "777" right in libsane.rule dont work |
| 14:42.13 | ajavid | pingouin, why still on etch? |
| 14:42.15 | bododo | ajavid: sorry :( |
| 14:42.20 | ajavid | bododo, thanks man |
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| 14:42.31 | ajavid | bododo, I can be a complete moron at times |
| 14:42.33 | pingouin | ajavid: the same on lenny ;) so the problem still the same |
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| 14:43.03 | ajavid | pingouin, I don't have any printing devices attached |
| 14:43.15 | ajavid | pingouin, we have a color laser in the library, every computer in the house prints to it |
| 14:43.16 | pingouin | ajavid: and there is still an X bug on 5.0.2 ? so..i'm not ready to upgrade |
| 14:43.21 | ajavid | its got vista! |
| 14:44.04 | pingouin | ajavid: still on vista ?! not windows 7 yet ? |
| 14:44.10 | ajavid | hm, it does have networking, I hooked it up via usb to the windows machine |
| 14:44.21 | ajavid | pingouin, my mom's pc man |
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| 14:44.44 | ajavid | I am trying to convince my dad to let me do the whole house debian |
| 14:45.04 | pingouin | ajavid: my 78 years old father....run debian ;) |
| 14:45.31 | ajavid | like my dad only checks his email, and uses picasa for pictures, my mom only uses the internet, my niece uses mostly for barbie games flash games online for kids neopets etc. and my younger brother only watches punk music videos or porn |
| 14:45.43 | ajavid | they have no 3rd party apps that actually need/depend on windows |
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| 14:46.06 | ajavid | no one but my older brother and I are in school, but in our classes we don't need IE/windows, can use any computer |
| 14:46.16 | pingouin | ajavid: do a terrorist attack ! install debian at night ;) |
| 14:46.18 | ajavid | I would like to have a server in the house and diskless terminals in every room |
| 14:46.22 | ajavid | lol |
| 14:46.27 | ToXedVirus | there should be an automatic porn downloader for linux - 50% of the windows users woud migrate to linux |
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| 14:46.28 | ajavid | terrorist attack HAHAHA |
| 14:46.30 | ajavid | omg |
| 14:46.37 | ajavid | pingouin, that was funny man :) |
| 14:46.37 | pingouin | ToXedVirus: :D |
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| 14:47.52 | ajavid | though, since everything in the house is wireless, except me (I am also wireless but I catch wifi via my router and bridge it to the AP) |
| 14:47.54 | ranix | dpkg: my love for you is like a truck |
| 14:47.54 | dpkg | ranix: okay |
| 14:48.07 | ajavid | installing debian on 8 wifi computers is gonna be a pain |
| 14:48.18 | ajavid | if it was wired it might be ok/easier |
| 14:48.41 | ajavid | so I'm connected to a 4 port switch |
| 14:48.47 | pingouin | ajavid: no pain, no gain |
| 14:48.54 | ajavid | pingouin, lol, thats it |
| 14:48.56 | unop | ToXedVirus, you can whip one up in a couple of seconds |
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| 14:49.02 | ajavid | pingouin, is that your grasshopper speech? :) |
| 14:49.09 | ajavid | pingouin, its not very motivational |
| 14:49.13 | ajavid | :) |
| 14:49.22 | unop | for ((i=1; i<20; i++)); do wget http://pornsite/image-$(printf %03d $i).jpg; sleep 5; done |
| 14:49.41 | pingouin | unop: :D |
| 14:49.54 | ajavid | how hard can it be |
| 14:50.40 | ajavid | use python, urllib, htmlparse, or someother library, get something from a streaming porn site, parse for 90%+ rated videos, and fetch the embedded video |
| 14:50.44 | ajavid | :D |
| 14:51.01 | ajavid | but... people don't migrate to linux for porn dude |
| 14:51.15 | ToXedVirus | unop ;) |
| 14:51.28 | ToXedVirus | but we need an updated database of the image links |
| 14:51.45 | ToXedVirus | and nowadays most of the users used to video content |
| 14:51.51 | ajavid | yeah |
| 14:52.02 | unop | you can just find a girl friend and avoid this prejudiced OS war :) |
| 14:52.08 | ajavid | I mean, why would you wanna go back to jacking off to still photography... I mean... :) |
| 14:52.15 | ajavid | unop, dude, what? |
| 14:52.21 | ajavid | anyway this is highly ot |
| 14:52.41 | ToXedVirus | why would you fuck with videos instead of having a girlfriend |
| 14:53.06 | unop | variety? |
| 14:53.34 | ajavid | unop, what has a gf got to do with my personal shit anyway ;) right people watch porn to get the fantasties out that they othewise can't fulfil with women in real life. married Men visit prostitutes not becuase they can't laid, but becasue their wives won't do the shit a prosti would, fun and games, anyway, before we all get banned |
| 14:53.40 | ajavid | SHUSH! |
| 14:54.02 | padhu2 | hahaha |
| 14:54.30 | d1b | ROFL |
| 14:54.39 | unop | ajavid, aptitude upgrade girlfriend-2.0 ?? |
| 14:54.41 | azeem_ | ajavid: please keep it on topic |
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| 14:54.44 | d1b | ajavid: kinky! |
| 14:54.46 | pingouin | #debian a lair for PUA ? |
| 14:55.00 | ajavid | I have no idea what you people are discussing |
| 14:55.10 | ajavid | moving on |
| 14:55.13 | d1b | ajavid: you obviously aren't around the correct girls :) |
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| 14:55.21 | ajavid | d1b, #debian-chat |
| 14:55.23 | ajavid | have at it |
| 14:55.28 | d1b | ok ok |
| 14:56.23 | ToXedVirus | ajavid haha thats a good one with the prostitutes |
| 14:56.29 | ToXedVirus | "if your wive doesnst, someone will" |
| 14:56.37 | ToXedVirus | "if you wive doesnt blow, someone will" |
| 14:56.43 | ajavid | ToXedVirus, do you not fucking get it... |
| 14:56.43 | azeem_ | ToXedVirus: keep it on topic, please |
| 14:56.44 | ajavid | move on |
| 14:56.45 | abrotman | ToXedVirus: stop it |
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| 14:56.50 | ToXedVirus | ok |
| 14:56.53 | ToXedVirus | :) |
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| 14:58.11 | ToXedVirus | ajavid dude relex i just didnt see your message |
| 14:58.12 | ajavid | abrotman, do you do any programming? |
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| 14:59.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:59.24 | d1b | abrotman: is really linux with a cape! |
| 14:59.28 | d1b | linus* |
| 14:59.39 | ajavid | abrotman, pygtk by any chance? ;) |
| 14:59.41 | asg | d1b: he has an umbrella hat instead of a cape |
| 15:00.00 | d1b | asg: its debatable what it is |
| 15:00.03 | abrotman | ajavid: nope, sorry, i dabbled in it, but awhile ago |
| 15:00.12 | abrotman | d1b: no really .. an umbrella hat |
| 15:00.15 | asg | d1b: no, I know for a fact he has one |
| 15:00.27 | d1b | oh sorry asg you were correct |
| 15:00.33 | d1b | ajavid: try #python |
| 15:00.55 | ajavid | d1b, not looking for support |
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| 15:00.58 | ajavid | d1b, thanks though |
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| 15:01.38 | d1b | loves and hates python. |
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| 15:02.49 | ajavid | judd versions desmume |
| 15:02.51 | judd | ajavid: desmume -- lenny: 0.8-2 sid: 0.9.4-1 squeeze: 0.9.4-1 |
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| 15:03.35 | ajavid | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 TCL |
| 15:03.51 | ajavid | SoftRast Initialized |
| 15:03.55 | ajavid | does that make sense? |
| 15:04.13 | ajavid | why is software rasterization enabled when I have hardware DRI enabled and on |
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| 15:04.31 | ajavid | this happens when running backported desmume 0.9.4-1 on stable |
| 15:04.33 | ajavid | amd64 |
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| 15:05.02 | azeem_ | do you have "direct rendering: Yes"? |
| 15:05.06 | ajavid | yes |
| 15:05.21 | ajavid | otherwise the opengl renderer string wouldn't return the correct type |
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| 15:05.28 | ajavid | and direct rendering actually matters little |
| 15:05.38 | ajavid | you can have direct rendering saying Yes with software raster |
| 15:05.58 | ajavid | its the opengl renderer string that should return the correct value |
| 15:06.00 | ajavid | which it is |
| 15:06.12 | d1b | ajavid: OK |
| 15:06.37 | ajavid | azeem_, this I was told by #radeon gurus |
| 15:07.11 | ajavid | azeem_, seemed to make sense, as on 7.3 xorg on stable I had software raster and direct rendering said yes, but 3d performance was like 4fps literally |
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| 15:07.56 | ajavid | azeem_, now I've upgraded xorg to 7.4 on stable, it changed the open gl reder string from software raster to mesa dri etc, and direct rendering still says yes, but 3d performace is 500% better |
| 15:08.15 | ajavid | azeem_, however, when playing desmume, it says software raster enabled, and its performance is subpar |
| 15:08.25 | azeem_ | so I guess the SoftRast stuff is just informative |
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| 15:08.29 | azeem_ | hrm |
| 15:08.36 | azeem_ | no idea :-/ |
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| 15:08.43 | ajavid | but performace just goes to crapola in this application only |
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| 15:08.53 | ajavid | I can play openarena and other games just fine fullscreen with full effects |
| 15:09.03 | ajavid | ohhhhh |
| 15:09.06 | ajavid | ohno way |
| 15:09.08 | ajavid | hang on |
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| 15:09.25 | zinx | you can play OA? you a scanily clad furry? |
| 15:09.49 | ajavid | lol |
| 15:09.58 | ajavid | no when I backported I forgot to realize something |
| 15:10.13 | ajavid | the source packaged produced 3 binaries, desmume, desmume-cli, and desmume-glade |
| 15:10.26 | ajavid | desmume-glade = 3d, no software raster and it seems to not give this message |
| 15:10.36 | ajavid | so lets try a game with desmume-glade and see how it performs |
| 15:11.31 | ajavid | ok, this is weird, I launched it from console, and again, even desmume-glade gives the message SoftRast Initialized |
| 15:11.49 | ajavid | (but let me try the game, just to see how this performs) |
| 15:11.50 | zinx | buggy program ;x |
| 15:11.59 | ajavid | zinx, could be, might have to file a bug |
| 15:12.38 | ajavid | oh I just caught that |
| 15:12.43 | ajavid | scantily clad furry |
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| 15:12.58 | ajavid | zinx, lol |
| 15:13.14 | ajavid | zinx, I play a skelebot, blue |
| 15:13.38 | ToXedVirus | YOU KNEW? |
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| 15:13.58 | azeem_ | ajavid: do you have glade hardware? |
| 15:14.08 | ajavid | I don't know what that means azeem_ |
| 15:14.15 | abrotman | azeem_: he's not that old :) |
| 15:14.21 | ajavid | azeem_, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R580 [Radeon X1900 XT] (Primary) |
| 15:14.22 | azeem_ | ajavid: it's the voodoo/3dfx 3D APPI |
| 15:14.33 | azeem_ | ajavid: mid-90s, from before OpenGL/Direct3D |
| 15:14.39 | ajavid | azeem_, I'm like 1 year younger than you, shaddup |
| 15:14.41 | ajavid | heh |
| 15:14.47 | azeem_ | ajavid: abrotman said that |
| 15:14.50 | ajavid | oh |
| 15:14.54 | ajavid | I meant him, tab misfire |
| 15:15.35 | azeem_ | wow, it's not even on wikipedia |
| 15:15.44 | azeem_ | eh, wait |
| 15:15.47 | azeem_ | brainfart |
| 15:15.53 | azeem_ | I was thinking about -glide |
| 15:15.56 | ajavid | what did you look for |
| 15:16.04 | ajavid | oh |
| 15:16.10 | ajavid | voodoo fx glide? something |
| 15:16.19 | ajavid | rings a vague bell |
| 15:16.33 | ajavid | I mean, vaguely rings a bell? I dunno how to say it in english |
| 15:16.43 | azeem_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glide_API |
| 15:17.04 | azeem_ | no idea what that -glade package is for |
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| 15:17.30 | ajavid | its not a package, the one source package of desmume provides 3 binaries |
| 15:17.51 | ajavid | libglade-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglade-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f3af4eac000) <- ldd |
| 15:18.05 | ajavid | and other sdl stuff |
| 15:18.44 | azeem_ | I know what glade is |
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| 15:18.56 | ajavid | it seems as if desmume == just the plain old |
| 15:19.04 | azeem_ | well anyway, I can't help you |
| 15:19.05 | ajavid | desmume-cli == run from cli obviously |
| 15:19.12 | ajavid | and desmume-glade for 3d peformance |
| 15:19.15 | ajavid | azeem_, np |
| 15:20.54 | ajavid | fxiny, btw, One of the most interesting features of SMPlayer: it remembers the settings of all (individual) files you play. |
| 15:21.18 | ajavid | fxiny, including window position, last seek position, subtitles, etc. etc. |
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| 15:27.03 | ajavid | ok |
| 15:27.18 | ajavid | update: desmume-glade says softrast initialized, but performance is faster than desmume |
| 15:27.31 | ajavid | it doesn't start to slowdow/lag after a few minutes |
| 15:27.43 | ajavid | I'm playing pokemon platinum :D |
| 15:27.47 | BenBE3 | More or less minor question: I've a Sarge install running from a USB stick (18MB/s according to hdparm). Though disk access to the system feels really slow. Access on the RAID also present in the system (~320MB/s, hdparm) is much better ... htop tells me nearly 100% wa; how to get it faster? |
| 15:28.05 | ajavid | sarge! |
| 15:28.21 | ajavid | 5 years old at least man, wow |
| 15:28.33 | BenBE3 | ooops ... Not Sarge; I ment testing (Squeezer) |
| 15:28.37 | ajavid | heh |
| 15:28.45 | BenBE3 | Starts with same letter :P |
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| 15:28.55 | asg | at least it wasn't slink |
| 15:29.01 | ajavid | heh |
| 15:29.16 | BenBE3 | Just got a clean nightly install image yesterday from BT |
| 15:29.29 | ajavid | likes stable |
| 15:29.41 | BenBE3 | But doing some apt-get's feels like 80286 or older ... |
| 15:29.59 | ajavid | BenBE3, aptitude would feel twice as slow |
| 15:30.02 | BenBE3 | hates stable for being to old ... |
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| 15:30.18 | ajavid | BenBE3, I do too, but I counter with custom backporting |
| 15:30.25 | BenBE3 | aptitude is slow, but essentially does its thing. |
| 15:30.33 | BenBE3 | But the question is: How to get it faster? |
| 15:30.46 | ajavid | BenBE3, I don't know what to tell you to make it go faster, no idea |
| 15:30.51 | ajavid | I'm just chitchattin |
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| 15:31.08 | BenBE3 | 4 seconds to decompress libgfs-1-common (and other packages) aint be fast ... |
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| 15:31.52 | BenBE3 | ajavid More or less stepped by here in the hope there's someone who has an idea ... |
| 15:32.27 | surfer27 | my parallel port does not work.. anyone can help? dmesg says "parport_pc 00:05: disabled", "parport_pc: probe of 00:05 failed with error -22" |
| 15:33.25 | BenBE3 | surfer27 Try enabling it in the BIOS; check configuration of the port to match the values given there ... |
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| 15:34.14 | surfer27 | BenBE3: it's enabled.. it's working on windows xp. irq 7 io $378 |
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| 15:34.30 | BenBE3 | hmmm, sounds like defaults. |
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| 15:34.56 | ajavid | you don't need that singleton, take it out and refactor as factory. you don't want mutable global states fucking up your units tests |
| 15:35.03 | ajavid | doh |
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| 15:37.53 | surfer27 | I have a "ati xpress 200m" chipset.. why is it not supported on *any* linux? |
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| 15:38.06 | ajavid | I think they should start teaching development in jr. high |
| 15:38.14 | ajavid | surfer27, hm... I would assume radeon |
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| 15:38.41 | ajavid | surfer27, join #radeon and inquire there, that is the open source ati driver, I think they also support r128 (but thats not you) |
| 15:38.58 | ajavid | surfer27, in debian, radeon should work that ati card |
| 15:39.15 | Ghostrock | Hello guys i have a question and problem!!! |
| 15:39.17 | surfer27 | thank you.. i will try |
| 15:39.35 | ajavid | !tell Ghostrock -about ask |
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| 15:39.46 | ajavid | Ghostrock, good question forming template |
| 15:39.56 | Ghostrock | iam installing DHCP server with smoothwall, in the range ip x.x.x.100 to x.x.x.200 |
| 15:40.53 | Ghostrock | how i do for dhcp only asing ip on a list of mac adress |
| 15:40.57 | Ghostrock | address |
| 15:41.27 | ajavid | you mean static dhcp |
| 15:41.37 | Ghostrock | nop |
| 15:41.48 | zinx | he thinks he's being more secure, when he isn't :x |
| 15:42.04 | Ghostrock | exactly zinx |
| 15:42.11 | ajavid | you want MAC1 = ip1.ip1.ip1.ip1 and MAC2 = ip2.ip2.ip2.ip2 etc.? |
| 15:42.15 | ajavid | oh |
| 15:42.29 | ajavid | you mean MAC address block list, so only these macs can get an ip and no one else |
| 15:42.29 | zinx | don't bother only assigning an IP to specific MAC addresses |
| 15:42.47 | zinx | you can assign an IP yourself without any DHCP server |
| 15:42.49 | Ghostrock | exactly ajavid |
| 15:42.54 | zinx | and you can also spoof your mac address |
| 15:43.00 | ajavid | so you don't need dhcp |
| 15:43.08 | ajavid | if its going to be static based on mac, why run dhcp? |
| 15:43.14 | zinx | so all you're doing is adding more annoyance to what you do, without preventing anyone from accessing your network |
| 15:43.15 | ajavid | it defeats the purpose of a dhcp |
| 15:43.23 | ajavid | and what zinx said |
| 15:43.34 | Ghostrock | mmmmm u have reason |
| 15:43.35 | zinx | ajavid: it doesn't defeat the purpose of DHCP to have static IPs for computers |
| 15:43.50 | ajavid | zinx, dhcp = convinence |
| 15:43.50 | zinx | ajavid: because said computers may be mobile or something, and need different IPs in different places |
| 15:43.55 | zinx | ajavid: yes |
| 15:43.57 | ajavid | zinx, yes |
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| 15:44.12 | ajavid | going against conv. and introducing annoyances is kinda defeating the purpose |
| 15:44.15 | ajavid | imo |
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| 15:44.23 | ajavid | I'm not sure how you think I'm thinking about this |
| 15:44.27 | zinx | well, mac filtering is stupid and has no reason |
| 15:44.32 | ajavid | that I agree with |
| 15:44.33 | zinx | static IPs can have reason |
| 15:44.42 | ajavid | uses static dhcp :) |
| 15:44.47 | zinx | i use it here so i can refer to machines by name |
| 15:44.52 | ajavid | zinx, same |
| 15:45.00 | BenBE3 | Anyone an idea for the high wa usage (Hardware IO usage AFAIK) and how to reduce it? |
| 15:45.11 | Ghostrock | can i paste in this channel the config of my dhcpd.conf? |
| 15:45.21 | rozie | Ghostrock: no. |
| 15:45.22 | zinx | no |
| 15:45.23 | BenBE3 | Use a pastebin |
| 15:45.23 | Titan8990 | !pastebin |
| 15:45.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 15:45.24 | ajavid | !tellg hark -about paste |
| 15:45.36 | zinx | ajavid: tab complete fail |
| 15:45.50 | ajavid | doh |
| 15:45.55 | ajavid | I thoguht I hit g |
| 15:46.09 | zinx | you did, but you also hit space a bit late :P |
| 15:46.19 | ajavid | oh |
| 15:46.20 | ajavid | doh |
| 15:46.40 | ajavid | I have not yet had my banana milkshake yet, I'm still a moron |
| 15:46.41 | Ghostrock | [ajavid] and zinx can i do it? filter macs in the dhcp? |
| 15:47.06 | ajavid | I can't even form a proper sentence, used 'yet' twice |
| 15:47.33 | zinx | Ghostrock: there is no reason to do that |
| 15:48.59 | zinx | Ghostrock: but yes, you can if you insist on being stupid. but you'll have to read the manual yourself. |
| 15:49.27 | rozie | Ghostrock: define "filter" |
| 15:50.07 | csioktel | Ghostrock: MAC address can spoof. |
| 15:50.20 | ajavid | rozie, he wants only the MACS on his network to get an ip from dhcp which is kinda idiotic as ... |
| 15:50.24 | ajavid | see above |
| 15:50.49 | sHyLoCk_ | Hi! When I close iceweasel the firefox-bin process keeps on running. I cat open a new browser window unles i do killall firefox-bin or remove the .parentlock. Any ideas? |
| 15:51.03 | Ghostrock | i want do it because i work in a school in the part of control studied and all the people have laptops and use wifi and connect the pc via cable tcp and use the red for x purpose and iam installing smoothwall for security, i test the web proxy and another mods and it is ok |
| 15:51.12 | ajavid | sHyLoCk_, any other firefox windows open? addons/downloads? |
| 15:51.24 | sHyLoCk_ | nope |
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| 15:51.37 | sHyLoCk_ | i completely close it using File->Quit |
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| 15:52.04 | Ghostrock | i know csioktel MAC address can be spoofed |
| 15:52.07 | ajavid | hm |
| 15:52.18 | surfer27 | my parallel port does not work.. anyone can help? dmesg says "parport_pc 00:05: disabled", "parport_pc: probe of 00:05 failed with error -22" |
| 15:52.42 | sHyLoCk_ | ajavid: Adblock Plus 1.1, DownThem All 1.1.4, FEBE 6.2, Flashgot 1.1.9.8, OmpLoader 0.2.9, user Agent Switcher 0.7.2 |
| 15:52.50 | sHyLoCk_ | these are the addons i have |
| 15:53.06 | zinx | Ghostrock: and you don't even have to spoof the MAC to get an IP :/ |
| 15:53.07 | ajavid | I don't know man |
| 15:53.27 | ajavid | addons seem harmless enough, I have 30+ addons and I'm alright |
| 15:53.39 | ajavid | ok |
| 15:54.01 | sHyLoCk_ | it seems i have to do some scripting to trigger removal of .parentlock on firefox close |
| 15:54.11 | ajavid | sHyLoCk_, close it again, and notice the firefox-bin process running, find out what the ppid is maybe? see why the parent hasn't closed the child? |
| 15:54.29 | surfer27 | the parallel port is enabled and works on windows xp!! |
| 15:54.56 | ajavid | brb |
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| 15:57.14 | rozie | Ghostrock: what you really need is kind of authorisation. take a look at chillispot and hostapd |
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| 16:01.48 | AphelionZ1 | I made a chroot jail on my server for a user with the 3 second method here. http://www.howtoforge.com/chroot_ssh_sftp_debian_etch_p2 They are now requesting to use mysql from the command line - is there a way I can add that priviledge to their chroot jail? |
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| 16:03.50 | Titan8990 | AphelionZ1, total guess here: try making a symlink from mysql to somewhere in his chroot jail |
| 16:04.25 | AphelionZ1 | hmm |
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| 16:04.45 | AphelionZ1 | :) |
| 16:05.50 | Titan8990 | let me know if it works because im interested |
| 16:05.50 | valdyn | symlinks dont work across |
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| 16:06.14 | Titan8990 | valdyn, do the links just report as broken? |
| 16:06.21 | valdyn | Titan8990: sure |
| 16:06.51 | valdyn | plus mysqld probably needs root |
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| 16:07.22 | Titan8990 | valdyn, mysql doesn't need root |
| 16:07.22 | AphelionZ1 | so giving them mysql access probably wont work at all - i should install some phpmyadmin or sqlbuddy or something |
| 16:07.47 | Titan8990 | valdyn, you need root mysql access to create a new database and etc, but even a regular user can log in to the root user of mysql |
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| 16:12.02 | Evet | What do you think about webmin+virtualmin? No manage hosting accounts |
| 16:12.21 | abrotman | didn't we cover this already? |
| 16:12.42 | Evet | new ppl new ideas |
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| 16:17.28 | dbbolton | how can i figure out which IDE/SATA driver i need to build into my kernel so that it will boot? |
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| 16:18.58 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, lspci -k will tell you the kernel module thats currently in use |
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| 16:19.17 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, but you only need to build-in the driver if you plan to not use an initrd |
| 16:20.24 | dbbolton | Titan8990 that's right, no initrd. do i need to build in all of the drivers listed by lspci -k? |
| 16:20.57 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, no, only your filesystem and storage controller drivers |
| 16:21.06 | Titan8990 | everything else can be modules |
| 16:22.24 | dbbolton | would it be advantageous one way or the other for the drivers aside from the storage controller? |
| 16:22.50 | Titan8990 | its best to compile as much as possible as modules |
| 16:22.57 | Titan8990 | it keeps the actual image size small |
| 16:23.07 | Titan8990 | and in the case of the linux kernel, smaller == faster |
| 16:24.02 | Titan8990 | some things, alsa for example |
| 16:24.13 | Titan8990 | has big problems when its built into the kernel |
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| 16:24.48 | dbbolton | now i need some more help. i'm looking at the config of my failed kernel and ata_piix is already built in: http://dbbolton.pastebin.com/d14a819ea |
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| 16:25.18 | dbbolton | http://dbbolton.pastebin.com/de9cc172 |
| 16:26.08 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, and why is it failing to boot? |
| 16:26.17 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, failing to mount rootfs? |
| 16:26.59 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, are you using menuconfig or xconfig to configure? |
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| 16:27.42 | dbbolton | panic: VFS: failed to mount root filesystem. i'm using menuconfig |
| 16:27.57 | valdyn | dbbolton: your forgot to compile in the filesystem driver? |
| 16:28.04 | valdyn | !custom kernel |
| 16:28.05 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD". |
| 16:28.16 | Titan8990 | before or after it says that, does it list possible candidates to mount? |
| 16:28.30 | dbbolton | ext3 and ext2 are built in |
| 16:28.33 | rvsjoen | anyone know how I can make the man pages not display funky characters when using UTF8 locales ? |
| 16:28.36 | dbbolton | the list is empty |
| 16:28.56 | valdyn | rvsjoen: use a terminal that supports utf-8 properly |
| 16:29.08 | dbbolton | Titan8990 but it does mention that |
| 16:29.16 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, and your sure you didn't do something such as compile the kernel and forget to copy the image to /boot? |
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| 16:29.35 | rvsjoen | valdyn: can I just change the TERM variable ? |
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| 16:30.40 | rvsjoen | i'm using putty with TERM=xterm atm |
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| 16:32.08 | dbbolton | Titan8990 http://dbbolton.pastebin.com/d26eff611 |
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| 16:32.17 | leejongwook | hi :) |
| 16:32.43 | rvsjoen | never mind, I changed the character encoding in putty and it works now, thank you |
| 16:33.00 | leejongwook | can i use ubuntu deb files on debian ? |
| 16:33.08 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, i meant after reconfiguring it... im not a fan of that uuid stuff |
| 16:33.29 | Titan8990 | leejongwook, you can try, may or may not work depending on the package |
| 16:33.44 | leejongwook | :) great :) thanks |
| 16:33.54 | dbbolton | Titan8990 i haven't reconfigured it |
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| 16:34.08 | dbbolton | this was the first build |
| 16:34.13 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, im assuming fstab is correct? |
| 16:34.29 | dbbolton | i will double check |
| 16:34.45 | leejongwook | :D |
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| 16:35.07 | g00se | rvsjoen: i think you might need uxterm actually |
| 16:35.27 | dbbolton | Titan8990 it looks right |
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| 16:35.30 | leejongwook | <-- can't shutdown my pc. it hung up when portmap displayed on screen |
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| 16:38.14 | leejongwook | want to share something useful things with Debian users :) |
| 16:38.40 | dbbolton | leejongwook try alt+sysrq+B |
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| 16:39.15 | leejongwook | B ? |
| 16:39.21 | leejongwook | backspace key ? |
| 16:39.25 | dbbolton | no, B |
| 16:39.27 | abrotman | !sysrq |
| 16:39.28 | dpkg | i heard sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt See also <sysrqd>. |
| 16:39.36 | rozie | leejongwook: apt-get remove portmap |
| 16:39.52 | rozie | but earlier report a bug, pls |
| 16:40.14 | rozie | I had the same problem, but no time to debug and machine was offline |
| 16:40.33 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 16:40.35 | rozie | and I didn't need portmap there |
| 16:40.48 | leejongwook | alt + sysrq + b <-- capture ? |
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| 16:41.31 | leejongwook | nfs-common <-- it will remove this one too ? is it ok ? |
| 16:41.54 | rozie | do you use nfs? |
| 16:42.08 | leejongwook | dont even know that |
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| 16:42.25 | psu3 | hi |
| 16:42.34 | leejongwook | hi |
| 16:42.42 | rozie | you can always install it back, if needed |
| 16:42.43 | psu3 | i'm looking for a printer driver an can't find it. Is there a cups channel ? |
| 16:42.54 | rozie | psu3: linuxprinting.org |
| 16:43.07 | psu3 | rozie: thank you but i can't find it :/ |
| 16:43.21 | rozie | psu3: probably not supported, then |
| 16:43.41 | psu3 | :( |
| 16:43.47 | leejongwook | SysRq key. It is often used to recover from freezes, <<-- now i get it :) |
| 16:43.47 | rozie | what printer is it? |
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| 16:46.24 | leejongwook | what is nfs anyway ? when do i use it ? |
| 16:46.39 | leejongwook | network file system ? |
| 16:46.39 | psu3 | rozie: its a canon MF-4230d |
| 16:46.49 | leejongwook | canon @_@ |
| 16:46.51 | BenBE | When on the terminal (without X) I logout, display contents aren't cleared. Against which package should I file a security issue / bug report? |
| 16:46.59 | psu3 | rozie: i just bought it after reading it was linux compatible :( |
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| 16:47.06 | honschu | Hi, I'm on "http://www.debian.org/doc/index.en.html" -> click "http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/" and this site is in german. But I want to browse the whole debian.org site in english! How to do that? |
| 16:47.27 | leejongwook | psu3, i have canon lbp3200 |
| 16:47.35 | leejongwook | laser |
| 16:47.47 | rozie | http://www.find-printers.com/printers/manufacturers/pos/canon_i-sensys_mf4320d - according to this it is supported |
| 16:47.53 | BenBE | honschu What language preferences does your Browser tell to the Debian.org servers? |
| 16:47.55 | Thick_McRunfast | honschu: Er.... All I see is english |
| 16:47.58 | Titan8990 | honschu, in english to me |
| 16:48.20 | leejongwook | psu3, i think i can give you an example |
| 16:48.26 | psu3 | rozie: yes but i can't find any ppd file for it |
| 16:49.15 | honschu | BenBE: I just use iceweasel. |
| 16:49.31 | Titan8990 | HP printers are the ones to get for linux... install cups + hplip, DONE |
| 16:49.36 | leejongwook | psu3, http://software.canon-europe.com/products/0010044.asp :) |
| 16:49.49 | BenBE | Yeah, and what Accept-Languages header does that send to debian.org's servers? |
| 16:50.03 | leejongwook | psu3, i have Canon CAPT Printer Driver for Linux (1.60) |
| 16:50.05 | honschu | BenBE: Where to set this? |
| 16:50.05 | psu3 | leejongwook: does it work for a 4320d ? |
| 16:50.23 | leejongwook | i have canon lbp3200 lazer :) |
| 16:50.59 | dbbolton | Titan8990 do i need anything other than EXT3_FS=y for an ext3 partition? |
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| 16:51.16 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, no |
| 16:51.20 | dbbolton | ok |
| 16:51.36 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, do you have anything wierd such as raid, lvm, or / on an extended partition? |
| 16:51.52 | leejongwook | psu3, . try 2 Canon CAPT Printer Driver for Linux (1.80) |
| 16:51.55 | psu3 | leejongwook: i'll try it but i think its only for LBP series |
| 16:52.05 | leejongwook | see readme file :) |
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| 16:52.20 | dbbolton | Titan8990 none of those |
| 16:52.27 | davi | thinks (actually knows) debian is being fucked by ubuntu |
| 16:52.36 | dbbolton | would this driver also need to be built in: http://dbbolton.pastebin.com/d244de659 |
| 16:52.54 | honschu | I want to read debian.org in english - but in debian icewesel is no option to set the language to english. very funny |
| 16:53.22 | leejongwook | psu3, what is your model again |
| 16:53.32 | leejongwook | ah.. MF-4230d |
| 16:53.35 | psu3 | leejongwook: MF-4320D |
| 16:53.37 | dbbolton | honschu did you already read http://www.debian.org/intro/cn |
| 16:53.38 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, doubt it but give it a try |
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| 16:54.20 | hark | honschu: look again |
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| 16:56.10 | honschu | http://www.debian.org/intro/cn.en.html is iceweasel not listed ;) |
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| 16:57.03 | leejongwook | psu3, inkjet ? |
| 16:57.16 | dbbolton | honschu iceweasel is merely a rebranded mozilla firefox. |
| 16:57.16 | psu3 | nop a laser too |
| 16:57.43 | leejongwook | psu3, http://support-sg.canon-asia.com/ <-- try this |
| 16:58.24 | honschu | there is no language setting in "Edit -> Preferences -> Navigator -> Languages |
| 16:58.36 | honschu | as described on http://www.debian.org/intro/cn.en.html |
| 16:58.49 | honschu | and in iceweasel I can't find any language settings |
| 16:58.52 | pist_ | honschu: Edit > Preferences > Content > languages > choose |
| 16:59.28 | psu3 | leejongwook: thanks but nothing available there :( |
| 16:59.44 | leejongwook | @_@ ok, we will find out |
| 17:00.12 | dbbolton | Titan8990 would it be safe do disable everything unlocked in the crypto section? |
| 17:00.18 | honschu | pist_: Thank you! Could you update this site: http://www.debian.org/intro/cn.en.html ? |
| 17:00.19 | leejongwook | psu3, well do you know linux well ? |
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| 17:00.50 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, i never worry about removing anything until it boots.... |
| 17:00.55 | psu3 | leejongwook: it should be ok but printing is new for me |
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| 17:00.57 | pist_ | honschu: i'm not debian admin |
| 17:01.09 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, priority #1: boot, #2: strip out stuff you don't need |
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| 17:01.55 | leejongwook | psu3, i have shell script available, if you want you can try mine |
| 17:02.20 | psu3 | leejongwook: i can try everything so i'm ok to try them ! |
| 17:02.28 | dbbolton | Titan8990 well i figured if i'm going to have to recompile several times, i want it to be as fast as possible |
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| 17:02.42 | leejongwook | :) ok |
| 17:02.43 | honschu | pist_: So where should I sent this issue? Is it a bug? A feature request? ?? |
| 17:03.04 | leejongwook | psu3, do you have ftp |
| 17:03.07 | Titan8990 | dbbolton, make sure kernel debugging is turned off in the kernel hacking section |
| 17:03.07 | pist_ | honschu: i would say feature request |
| 17:03.28 | honschu | pist_: And which package? |
| 17:03.39 | pist_ | honschu: not a package :/ |
| 17:03.42 | pist_ | Let me see |
| 17:03.55 | psu3 | leejongwook: no ftp running, but could you use this instead ? http://dl.free.fr/ |
| 17:04.21 | pist_ | honschu: i don't know |
| 17:04.27 | leejongwook | psu3, @_@ it's not english :P |
| 17:04.33 | psu3 | leejongwook: you just pick the file and clic on "Envoyer" |
| 17:04.55 | psu3 | leejongwook: you don't have to put any email address |
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| 17:05.29 | leejongwook | psu3, ok |
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| 17:07.13 | honschu | pist_: debian-www@lists.debian.org I sent it to this mailad |
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| 17:08.56 | leejongwook | psu3, debian lenny ? |
| 17:09.05 | psu3 | yes |
| 17:09.37 | edju | can't get xmodmap to work on audio keys. might someone look at http://paste.debian.net/43679/ and see if there are any syntax or whatever errors? |
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| 17:12.22 | leejongwook | psu3, almost |
| 17:12.29 | psu3 | leejongwook: thanks |
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| 17:13.18 | leejongwook | psu3, upload done |
| 17:13.28 | leejongwook | what's next ? |
| 17:13.45 | psu3 | leejongwook: you should see a http link generated |
| 17:13.53 | psu3 | just copy it to me |
| 17:14.23 | leejongwook | Vous pouvez supprimer le fichier lorsque vous le désirez via l'adresse suivante: ? |
| 17:14.31 | leejongwook | Le fichier sera accessible àl'adresse suivante ? |
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| 17:14.38 | psu3 | yes this one |
| 17:14.49 | psu3 | i mean the second |
| 17:15.06 | leejongwook | psu3, http://dl.free.fr/getfile.pl?file=/z1FF0OPV |
| 17:15.20 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 17:15.27 | pist_ | french |
| 17:15.28 | pist_ | :) |
| 17:15.30 | leejongwook | hard |
| 17:15.33 | pist_ | yeah |
| 17:15.36 | pist_ | i know |
| 17:16.10 | psu3 | leejongwook: thank you i'm downloading |
| 17:16.36 | psu3 | leejongwook: next time i'll find the same service but in english :p |
| 17:16.39 | leejongwook | @_@ i can't guarantee you |
| 17:16.50 | leejongwook | it's works fine |
| 17:17.03 | psu3 | leejongwook: don't worry i appreciate the time you take for me (if it works or not) |
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| 17:17.05 | leejongwook | there's readme file too, and it's easy |
| 17:17.11 | leejongwook | :) |
| 17:17.35 | leejongwook | no need to reboot your pc |
| 17:17.51 | leejongwook | 01.install.lbp3200.canon.printer <-- run this(bash) |
| 17:17.53 | leejongwook | that's all |
| 17:17.59 | pist_ | chmod +x |
| 17:18.00 | psu3 | ok |
| 17:18.07 | leejongwook | :) |
| 17:18.09 | psu3 | no problem if i have installed v1.8 before ? |
| 17:18.25 | leejongwook | well, |
| 17:18.34 | leejongwook | dont know but that works for me |
| 17:18.43 | psu3 | ok ^^ |
| 17:18.46 | leejongwook | never tried 1.8, and it's 1.6 |
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| 17:19.45 | leejongwook | :( bad feeling |
| 17:20.00 | leejongwook | i mean we have different one so |
| 17:20.14 | abrotman | less enter key |
| 17:20.18 | leejongwook | may won't work for you but try because it's shell script |
| 17:20.28 | leejongwook | sorry :) |
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| 17:21.04 | psu3 | leejongwook: http://pastebin.com/d54c836e9 |
| 17:21.14 | honschu | Hi, where and when is the keyboard mapped to the layout/region? |
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| 17:21.52 | honschu | for x11 I mean |
| 17:22.01 | nux | I'm having issues with apache2/php5 not being able to open php sessions |
| 17:22.18 | nux | apache/php does a flock on the sess_ session file and hangs indefinitely |
| 17:22.30 | psu3 | leejongwook: now i can see new printers ports in cups |
| 17:22.31 | nux | i found that out by watchign strace on a process as it hung |
| 17:22.32 | leejongwook | psu3, same as mine, try print something |
| 17:22.36 | nux | this keeps up until my maxclients is hit |
| 17:23.16 | psu3 | leejongwook: in command line ? |
| 17:23.32 | leejongwook | try gedit :P |
| 17:23.50 | leejongwook | if you use gnome, (command line ---> to printing test : cngplp -p [file name] ) |
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| 17:24.46 | nux | anyone have any thoughts on this? |
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| 17:26.01 | leejongwook | psu3, won't take a minute, if your keep waiting, it may not the one for you |
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| 17:26.51 | psu3 | leejongwook: it doesn't work :( |
| 17:26.58 | leejongwook | :( sorry |
| 17:27.30 | psu3 | leejongwook: i'm sorry too :/ but thank you for your time ! |
| 17:27.44 | psu3 | leejongwook: now i do'nt know what i'm going to do with this printer ... |
| 17:28.11 | leejongwook | call service center and if they can't solve your problem, bring it back where you brought it |
| 17:28.59 | psu3 | leejongwook: i'm sure they won't take it back beacause its open, toner open, etc ... |
| 17:29.03 | psu3 | humpppf :/ |
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| 17:29.20 | psu3 | last canon product i have bought ... |
| 17:29.32 | leejongwook | within 1 or 2 weeks, they will take it |
| 17:30.37 | leejongwook | otherwise you may need to separated from Debian family :( |
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| 17:31.13 | psu3 | leejongwook: no way ! |
| 17:31.26 | psu3 | leejongwook: if thinking about ebay ... |
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| 17:32.36 | leejongwook | @_@... good luck, there must be a way, if the box said support linux, |
| 17:32.51 | psu3 | :/ |
| 17:33.05 | psu3 | thank again for your time leejongwook |
| 17:33.08 | psu3 | have a nice weekend ! |
| 17:33.13 | leejongwook | :) you too ~ |
| 17:33.16 | psu3 | ;) |
| 17:35.01 | relegated | I am having some trouble getting a Wordpress plugin called Subscribe2 to send Email successfully. I am running Debian Lenny, Apache2, and PHP5, and exim4. I am able to send Email from the console using exim but am unable to through the plugin which uses the PHP mail function which I was told uses senndmail. I have a symbolic link setup so that sendmail works using exim. Can anyone help me,... |
| 17:35.02 | relegated | ...I'm not sure where the problem lies, I have full server access. |
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| 17:41.05 | yangp | I have a problem using ZTE HSDPA modem, does anyone have experience with it to make it work ? |
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| 17:41.45 | leejongwook | <--- newbie,spent only two years with linux |
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| 17:57.47 | cahoot | yangp: the usbid ofr the device can be a good startingpoint for googling |
| 17:57.51 | yangp | mrspinx: try audacity |
| 17:58.08 | yangp | mrspinx: and apt-cache search <keyword> |
| 17:58.36 | mrspinx | yangp: you must have misunderstood me |
| 17:58.42 | Tapout | anyone remember/know of the app that lets you skip the buffer cache? I know O_DIRECT with dd for reading, but for writing.. you ran an app that would set the pid in O_DIRECT even if it didn't support it |
| 17:58.56 | mrspinx | you clearly didn't understand |
| 17:58.57 | Tapout | when processing really large files, I don't want to mess with the file buffer cache |
| 17:59.05 | mrspinx | yangp: and i know that |
| 17:59.08 | nsadmin | I've already made a partition larger... how would I make the underlying ext3 filesystem as large as the (newly larger) partition it's on? |
| 17:59.37 | yangp | mrspinx: yeah you don't want editing, but learning the piano, you can edit those musical files later with audacity, that is what I suggested |
| 18:00.12 | mrspinx | ah Im looking for a program to teach me how to play not edit |
| 18:00.39 | yangp | mrspinx: muse and rosegarden come out with "apt-cache search midi piano" |
| 18:00.39 | nsadmin | mrspinx: get the book "The Jazz Piano Book" by mark levine |
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| 18:01.02 | nsadmin | if you -really- want to learn to play :) |
| 18:01.43 | yangp | mrspinx: sooner or later, you will want to also record what you play |
| 18:01.57 | nsadmin | sooner. and get a metronome |
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| 18:03.32 | nsadmin | and if you want to be good... -never- practice without using it. |
| 18:03.41 | ranix | mrspinx: I'm a new piano player myself, and I haven't found any resources like that |
| 18:04.07 | ranix | mrspinx: there is a program for Windows called Synesthesia, but if you youtube it, it looks lame |
| 18:04.44 | leejongwook | @_@ |
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| 18:04.57 | yangp | I am trying to figure out how tro connect the HDSPA ZTE modem to the internet, for starters, I would like to know where to enter the PIN code, when enabling the device over USB (/dev/ttyUSB0) ? |
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| 18:05.04 | ranix | ah it's called "synthesia" |
| 18:05.33 | ranix | not only is it windows only now, they appear to have closed the source |
| 18:05.35 | ranix | wow fail |
| 18:06.02 | nsadmin | hmm... what about previous versions? |
| 18:06.19 | nsadmin | I've already made a partition larger... how would I make the underlying ext3 filesystem as large as the (newly larger) partition it's on? |
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| 18:08.36 | ranix | it's a pain in the ass, nsadmin |
| 18:08.50 | ranix | last I checked, you had to convert your ext3 filesystem to ext2 and them use resize2fs |
| 18:09.06 | nsadmin | ahh that's the one thanks |
| 18:09.30 | nsadmin | how do you convert>? |
| 18:09.47 | linomix | Hi. Can someone point to any software/script used to measure upload/download traffic on a server? |
| 18:10.07 | ranix | linomix: bandwidthd is decent |
| 18:10.15 | ranix | linomix: there's also ntop |
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| 18:11.05 | muh2000 | what is the successor of update-modules? |
| 18:11.06 | nsadmin | actually the man page says not only it can do ext3 but it will expand (not contract) a mounted partition... perfect :) |
| 18:11.14 | nsadmin | thanks ranix |
| 18:11.18 | linomix | ranix: Thank you. I'll give them a try. |
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| 18:20.38 | cahoot | yangp: try something like: echo 'at+cpin="1234"' > /dev/ttyUSB0? |
| 18:20.45 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 18:26.11 | yangp | cahoot: yes, thanks |
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| 18:35.33 | yangp | cahoot: the result is like this, is the chatscript written correctly ? http://pastebin.ca/1522132 |
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| 18:41.04 | positron` | Anyone went to Caceres? |
| 18:41.21 | positron` | To the debconf. |
| 18:43.05 | positron` | I was heading Barcelona and met about 7 people that went to the debconf in Madrid. |
| 18:43.37 | leejongwook | Caceres ? |
| 18:43.42 | positron` | One was a developer and there are pictures of him in the debconf.org website. |
| 18:43.47 | positron` | Yes, Spain. |
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| 18:44.09 | leejongwook | hi :) |
| 18:44.26 | leejongwook | <-- only in South Korea |
| 18:44.45 | positron` | That is so far away. :) |
| 18:44.52 | positron` | I'm Portuguese. |
| 18:45.00 | leejongwook | sounds cool :) |
| 18:45.13 | leejongwook | i saw a picture of there |
| 18:45.32 | leejongwook | was good :) colorful |
| 18:45.40 | positron` | I don't know. |
| 18:45.51 | leejongwook | i mean it was good :) |
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| 18:46.49 | positron` | I was just hoping to find them here, nevermind. |
| 18:47.01 | leejongwook | http://img.modetour.co.kr/eagle/photoimg/18962/sfile/IMG_1907.JPG <-- |
| 18:47.07 | leejongwook | ok :) |
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| 18:47.14 | leejongwook | hi :) |
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| 18:47.35 | leejongwook | sleeping |
| 18:47.40 | amitav | I am trying to install from USB stick. I am using the syslinux method with the minimal install image. |
| 18:48.07 | amitav | however, i am just getting a cursor, no progress |
| 18:49.05 | leejongwook | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:49.28 | leejongwook | http://blog.mypapit.net/2008/10/install-ubuntu-from-harddisk-without-cdrom.html |
| 18:49.39 | abrotman | leejongwook: how is that going ot help install debian ? |
| 18:49.41 | leejongwook | never tired before :) |
| 18:50.00 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 18:50.04 | leejongwook | debian ? |
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| 18:50.14 | abrotman | leejongwook: which channel are you in ? |
| 18:50.17 | positron` | I used syslinux for INX. |
| 18:50.22 | leejongwook | debian :P |
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| 18:50.42 | abrotman | amitav: did you follow the instructions in the install guide for installing from USB ? |
| 18:50.43 | leejongwook | so i said never tried,i just googled it |
| 18:50.57 | Evet | thinking where he should start to learn Web 2.0 |
| 18:51.04 | abrotman | leejongwook: that's for installing ubuntu .. not debian |
| 18:51.15 | leejongwook | well it's debian based |
| 18:52.16 | Pnux | hey guys, how hard do you think it is to make a live cd distro based on debian, using only a few necessary tools to fix systems? i was thinking something like fdisk, grub, dd, mount, and all that stuff.. |
| 18:52.48 | amitav | abrotman: yes |
| 18:52.52 | GhostlyDeath | Pnux: Not hard |
| 18:53.01 | GhostlyDeath | but tons of them already exist however |
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| 18:53.25 | bzed | Pnux: have a look at grml.org, or at the live-helper package and friends |
| 18:53.43 | Pnux | GhostlyDeath: do you know any useful documentation? could you also name a few? |
| 18:53.52 | Pnux | bzed: ill check those out |
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| 18:54.18 | dbbolton | would anyone be able to interpret this output from startx : http://dbbolton.pastebin.com/d1680968e |
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| 18:54.39 | abrotman | leejongwook: it' snot debian |
| 18:54.56 | gaintsura | whats the root password on the debian live cd? |
| 18:55.11 | abrotman | dbbolton: how did you install X ? |
| 18:55.45 | GhostlyDeath | Pnux: I don't know of any documentation |
| 18:56.02 | Pnux | GhostlyDeath: alrite, i appreciate the answer |
| 18:56.12 | GhostlyDeath | but it would be essentially putting a boot loader on a disk that starts the Linux kernel |
| 18:56.57 | Pnux | figured |
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| 18:57.28 | dbbolton | abrotman only xorg server |
| 18:58.46 | abrotman | dbbolton: so you did `aptitude install xorg` ? |
| 18:59.18 | leejongwook | i think dbbolton knows much more things than ab(no)r(mal) o(a)t(meal pie) man :P |
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| 18:59.27 | leejongwook | leaving |
| 18:59.30 | leejongwook | bye all :) |
| 18:59.31 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:59.33 | dbbolton | wtf |
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| 18:59.53 | abrotman | he must have spent a lot of time thinking of that nonsense |
| 18:59.58 | dbbolton | abrotman sorry i'm asking in the wrong channel |
| 19:00.02 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:00.15 | abrotman | dbbolton: how are you in the wrong channel? |
| 19:00.46 | dbbolton | it's not on a debian system. i have about 3 or 4 irc channels open right now. my bad |
| 19:00.52 | abrotman | oh gotcha |
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| 19:01.11 | gaintsura | nvm I got that.... |
| 19:01.58 | gaintsura | is there a way to be able to remove the live cd and burn/copy/move files around? |
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| 19:06.23 | dbbolton | gaintsura only if everything you need is in memory |
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| 19:09.58 | gaintsura | dbbolton: and how can I do that? the live cd din't have an option to boot like that |
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| 19:10.30 | dbbolton | damn small linux |
| 19:10.47 | gaintsura | argh, I have to burn another :S |
| 19:10.52 | dbbolton | it's debian-based |
| 19:11.05 | dbbolton | i don't really know. did you try just ejecting the cd? |
| 19:11.18 | Pnux | does anybody think this is a bug? I installed virtualbox-ose and its dependencies, it works fine until i try to start any vm and i get the error message saying that the driver is not installed or with wrong permissions.. i checked and the files arent there.. now i read in ubuntu's bug tracker and comments there say that virtualbox-ose depends on virtualbox-ose-source, but its only suggested. |
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| 19:11.38 | gaintsura | dbbolton: yeah, everything started giving me I/O errors |
| 19:12.26 | dbbolton | why do you need to burn while running a livecd anyway |
| 19:12.40 | Pnux | dbbolton: backup would be my first guest |
| 19:12.48 | gaintsura | because windows fail with perma bluescreen and I need to backup the data |
| 19:13.53 | dbbolton | a suggestion as a last resort: put the hard drive into another machine and use photorec. there are windows and linux versions |
| 19:14.03 | Pnux | gaintsura: you could use DSL to load DSL to the ram (its only 50mbs) and you could eject the cd after it loads, but mounting with that can be kinda tricky |
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| 19:18.46 | simonrvn | Pnux: for one thing, ubuntu has nothign to do with debian |
| 19:19.43 | Pnux | simonrvn: ubuntu was irrelevant to the matter, so im not sure why you are picking on that |
| 19:20.58 | simonrvn | Pnux: because you mentioned it :). seeing from your reaction i'm guessing this is a debian host? |
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| 19:21.28 | Pnux | simonrvn: i didnt mention it as a nounmentioned ubuntu's |
| 19:21.32 | Pnux | oops |
| 19:22.10 | Pnux | simonrvn: i didnt mention it as a noun, i said ubuntu's bug tracker (that made no sense because backspace and enter key are way too closer).. and yeah, i use debian |
| 19:22.41 | simonrvn | Pnux: *sigh* "...now i read in ubuntu's bug tracker...". i'm using virtualbox, so this isn't relevant probably, but i can use the vboxdrv init script to build a kernel mod |
| 19:22.58 | simonrvn | doesn't matter now (ubuntu) |
| 19:23.27 | Pnux | anyways, as the source package is not necessary, its not really a bug, just a stupid comment (the guy who says you had to have it installed) |
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| 19:25.57 | Pnux | simonrvn: oh, it turned to be a bug, but it was in vbox's error.. it says run '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup', but it really is '/etc/init.d/virtualbox-ose setup' |
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| 19:27.47 | simonrvn_ | makes sense |
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| 19:39.16 | taras | what is role of groups "netdev" and "powerdev"? |
| 19:40.02 | simonrvn_ | doing things |
| 19:40.26 | simonrvn_ | the names are an indication *hint* ;) |
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| 19:40.41 | taras | lol simonrvn_ |
| 19:41.53 | taras | so what? |
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| 19:43.32 | simonrvn_ | net = network; power = power mgt. |
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| 19:43.57 | simonrvn | one assumes you are in them (or should be). some packages check for those. |
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| 19:46.46 | taras | simonrvn: well, ifup and ifdown are only on root's path by default |
| 19:47.16 | Pnux | Recompiling VirtualBox kernel module...failed. <= gotta love great debugging output |
| 19:47.42 | simonrvn | it's more for stuff like gnome and other DEs, to manage those sub-systems via a GUI (sometimes CLI) |
| 19:47.50 | simonrvn | Pnux: check /tmp for a log |
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| 19:48.38 | Pnux | nothing |
| 19:48.45 | Some-body | Hello! I upgraded lenny to squeeze, now I see bugs on screen. http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8822/hernyav.png What to do? |
| 19:49.08 | simonrvn | Some-body: get yourself a fly swatter |
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| 19:50.26 | Some-body | Thanks simonrvn... |
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| 19:51.13 | Some-body | Fly swatter can't help against those... |
| 19:51.16 | honschu | Where and when is the keymap configured in X11? I have the same sort of problem described here: http://www.mail-archive.com/fvwm@fvwm.org/msg00763.html |
| 19:51.42 | jonny43 | Hallo! May I ask if anyone knows why my "/sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:05/local" file is not executed on system start? (chmod 777, debian 5.02) |
| 19:52.39 | simonrvn | Some-body: first thought was backingstore enabled in xorg.conf, or it's turning it on. checked the log? |
| 19:53.42 | simonrvn | jonny43: don't chmod 777 things |
| 19:54.00 | jonny43 | i tried 777 because it was not working |
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| 19:54.41 | Some-body | simonrvn: Backingstore disabled. |
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| 19:54.53 | Some-body | Only (EE) in log is about keymap. |
| 19:54.56 | sanmarcos | how can I pin all but linux-image-2.6-686 to lenny-bacports? |
| 19:55.15 | simonrvn | jonny43: it usually doesn't help, and can make things worse |
| 19:55.19 | sanmarcos | I could pin linux-image to lenny with a higher priority, is that ok? |
| 19:56.04 | simonrvn | Some-body: what's the hardware? latest revision of the driver? is that the only app, or do others also do it? |
| 19:56.10 | jonny43 | sorry.. the file is "/etc/modprobe.d/local" why is it not executed on system start? |
| 19:56.29 | simonrvn | Some-body: is it the screen itself, or only when you have an app open? |
| 19:56.54 | Some-body | simonrvn: In kvirc, in KDE menu. |
| 19:57.10 | Some-body | Other apps seem to be ok. |
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| 19:57.31 | simonrvn | sanmarcos: it's usually enough to pin something like that high enough that upgrades get executed |
| 19:57.37 | Some-body | Driver nvidia from repo using m-a a-i. |
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| 19:58.17 | simonrvn | it's probably a rendering bug for that thing, in combo with the driver/hardware |
| 19:58.25 | sanmarcos | simonrvn: that was my issue if I pin it to lenny as 999, do things that come from lenny/updates for linux-image get to my system?. I want everything from lenny-backports, BUT kernel images |
| 19:58.29 | simonrvn | mighty annoying |
| 19:58.37 | chommik | hello |
| 19:59.23 | simonrvn | sanmarcos: you could try having 2 entries, one for kernel images, and one for the rest. dunno if that'll work |
| 20:00.14 | sanmarcos | simonrvn: that is what I do, pin 990 * to lenny-backports, and pin 999 linux-image-2.6-686 to lenny, but do things that come from lenny/updates get caught in that lenny pin? |
| 20:00.34 | simonrvn | AFK |
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| 20:00.39 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 20:00.54 | ccfontes | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418329 <- how can a bug for libtranslate exist on debian, if no application libtranslate doesnt exist in the package database? |
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| 20:01.47 | yangp | I have an issue with HSDPA ZTE modem - it doesn't seem to be connecting well - http://pastebin.com/m3b34e067 |
| 20:02.10 | chommik | i have a problem with libcleanlooks on squeeze, can sb help me? |
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| 20:03.37 | jonny43 | does anyone know why "/etc/modprobe.d/local" is not executed on system start (debian 5.02)? |
| 20:03.54 | vlt | Hello. Any idea why a file on a local fs looks like this (stat): "Size: 17179869184 Blocks: 23778776 IO Block: 4096 regular file", but on an NFS client it is empty "Size: 0 Blocks: 23778776 IO Block: 4096 regular empty file"? |
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| 20:06.12 | vlt | Other files in the same NFS directory I can read fine, and I can create new files. Is there a size limit with NFS? Is 17,179,869,184 Byte too big? |
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| 20:15.36 | honschu | ... |
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| 20:17.42 | honschu | Where and when is the keymap configured in X11? I have the same sort of problem described here: http://www.mail-archive.com/fvwm@fvwm.org/msg00763.html |
| 20:18.52 | sanmarcos | http://xkcd.com/619/ hahaha |
| 20:18.54 | sanmarcos | freetards |
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| 20:21.01 | Wyzard | What's the difference between the "standard" and "rescue" builds of debian-live? |
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| 20:21.48 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: rescue is for rescuing fscked systems |
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| 20:22.46 | vlt | omg, is there really a 4GB file size limit for NFS? I tested and created a 3.9 GB (which appears as 3.9 on the client) and a 4.0 GB file (size 0). |
| 20:22.51 | Wyzard | I mean in terms of capabilities... software available |
| 20:23.30 | Wyzard | I see that the "rescue" image is over twice as big as the "standard" one, so I guess it has more packages... when would I want to use "standard" instead? |
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| 20:33.24 | TrueDD | re |
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| 20:46.19 | LuciusMare | hello,is there way to download a package and all packages it suggest and needs for offline use.except downloading them from packages.debian.org one by one?i need it for special architecture,otherwise i wouldnt mess |
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| 20:47.05 | simonrvn | LuciusMare: man apt-get; man aptitude |
| 20:47.07 | cafuego | LuciusMare: apt-zip |
| 20:47.23 | cafuego | I'm pretty sure that can generate a script for you what'll do the downloads |
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| 20:47.40 | LuciusMare | even on my architecture when i need the .deb files for other architecture? |
| 20:48.07 | simonrvn | oh, sorry, misread. do what cafuego said |
| 20:48.07 | blendmaster1024 | a search for mencoder on http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/index.en.html#search comes up blank. why? |
| 20:48.11 | cafuego | !info apt-zip |
| 20:48.21 | LuciusMare | !info apt-zip |
| 20:48.21 | cafuego | LuciusMare: simonrvn is right; I'm always right. |
| 20:48.23 | luke3321 | hey guys. I am having problems with wine. It says that I must install lib32nss-mdns to connect to the internet, but that library is installed |
| 20:48.27 | dpkg | apt-zip: (Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.18 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 20:48.42 | dpkg | apt-zip: (Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.18 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 20:48.53 | blendmaster1024 | is it because mencoder is missing from the debian archives, or because it's inside the mplayer deb |
| 20:48.57 | Wyzard | luke3321: You shouldn't need lib32nss-mdns for Internet connectivity |
| 20:49.01 | simonrvn | cafuego: snooty as always :P. how's it goin'? |
| 20:49.27 | cafuego | simonrvn: Not awful, but also not great. |
| 20:49.37 | simonrvn | cafuego: aaw |
| 20:49.38 | luke3321 | Wyzard: that is what I read, but what does the libnss-mdns counterpart provide? |
| 20:49.43 | luke3321 | anything important? |
| 20:49.46 | esaym153 | why is madwifi-tools taken out of testing and sid? |
| 20:49.47 | Wyzard | luke3321: That's for multicast DNS lookup of names on the local network (e.g. hostname.local), the way Apple Bonjour does |
| 20:49.58 | cafuego | is up too early in order to catch a flight |
| 20:50.06 | luke3321 | Wyzard: hmm.. well that is somewhat useful |
| 20:50.12 | Wyzard | luke3321: If you're running a 64-bit system, libnss-mdns is 64-bit and can't be used by 32-bit programs; if wine is 32-bit, then it'd need the 32-bit library for that feature |
| 20:50.26 | Wyzard | luke3321: but it's not needed just to be able to connect to the Internet |
| 20:50.44 | luke3321 | Wyzard: That is what it is saying, but lib32nss-mdns is in fact installed |
| 20:51.37 | Wyzard | luke3321: It needs to be configured in /etc/nsswitch.conf in order to be actually used |
| 20:51.47 | Wyzard | luke3321: though I thought the package did that automatically when installed |
| 20:51.57 | luke3321 | Wyzard: I thought so as well |
| 20:52.01 | simonrvn | it does |
| 20:52.12 | simonrvn | looks like you'll have to check that |
| 20:52.12 | blendmaster1024 | ehh.. nobody knows mencoder/mplayer? |
| 20:52.46 | cafuego | blendmaster1024: I use ffmpeg, not mencoder. |
| 20:52.57 | luke3321 | Wyzard: How would I check if it is enabled in that config file? |
| 20:53.04 | azeem_ | blendmaster1024: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:53.09 | blendmaster1024 | oh ok lemme 'man ffmpeg' brb |
| 20:53.15 | Wyzard | luke3321: Look on the hosts: line |
| 20:53.18 | simonrvn | luke3321: with a pager |
| 20:53.28 | Wyzard | luke3321: It should be something like: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 20:53.38 | LuciusMare | wait,i need apt-zip installed even on the other computer? |
| 20:53.39 | luke3321 | yep |
| 20:53.48 | simonrvn | hey, include hosts |
| 20:53.56 | cafuego | LuciusMare: Yup, so you'll need to do that manually first |
| 20:53.59 | simonrvn | oh nm, i'm confused |
| 20:54.14 | LuciusMare | cafuego: and if i need to do that because i cant do it manually? |
| 20:54.20 | luke3321 | Wyzard: I guess wine is freaking out over the ia32-lib transition, guess I will just hack around it. Thanks for the help |
| 20:54.33 | cafuego | LuciusMare: what? |
| 20:54.35 | LuciusMare | cafuego: my problem is,they made distribution for weird machine,but "forgot" to add gcc and make |
| 20:54.42 | Wyzard | luke3321: wouldn't surprise me; the multilib thing is pretty complicated |
| 20:54.49 | LuciusMare | so i am solving how to get these there |
| 20:54.54 | LuciusMare | i am internet-less |
| 20:54.56 | LuciusMare | on that box |
| 20:55.00 | blendmaster1024 | thanks cafuego, though i'm still annoyed that mencoder is missing |
| 20:55.02 | cafuego | LuciusMare: that doesn't stop you from using apt-zip though |
| 20:55.12 | LuciusMare | cafuego: and how should i get it on the other box? |
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| 20:55.17 | blendmaster1024 | i had just learned to use it when i switched to debian |
| 20:55.17 | cafuego | blendmaster1024: 's probably in a debian multimedia repo somewhere |
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| 20:55.24 | blendmaster1024 | bye |
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| 20:55.29 | LuciusMare | without internet and when its competely different architecture? |
| 20:55.38 | cafuego | LuciusMare: wget and a usb stick |
| 20:55.44 | LuciusMare | wget what? |
| 20:55.53 | cafuego | LuciusMare: The deb file of course |
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| 20:56.10 | cafuego | LuciusMare: packages.debian.org -> apt-zip -> downlaod -> move -> install -> run -> enjoy |
| 20:56.10 | LuciusMare | wouldnt that .deb file want to make and compile it? |
| 20:56.33 | cafuego | LuciusMare: Why would a deb ever want that? |
| 20:56.40 | cafuego | LuciusMare: they're precompiled |
| 20:56.57 | LuciusMare | nice |
| 20:57.04 | LuciusMare | and how do i install a deb file with aptitude? |
| 20:57.12 | cafuego | dpkg -i debfile |
| 20:57.12 | dpkg | installs debfile into cafuego's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 20:57.26 | cafuego | aaaahhhhh i needed that |
| 20:57.30 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 20:57.54 | simonrvn | been a while since you've been drilled into i guess |
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| 20:58.13 | cafuego | yeah, i've ahd more cutting than drilling as of late |
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| 21:00.24 | pappanz | hello. I'm still dealing with my thouchpad problem. It was recognized when I installed debian, but single/double tapping doesn't work |
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| 21:01.35 | LuciusMare | omg |
| 21:01.58 | LuciusMare | wait |
| 21:02.06 | cafuego | refuses |
| 21:02.07 | LuciusMare | .deb files are architevture dependand,right? |
| 21:02.18 | cafuego | LuciusMare: Most are, ones ending in _all.deb are not. |
| 21:02.31 | LuciusMare | is confused |
| 21:02.39 | azeem_ | !grounding |
| 21:02.40 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 21:02.47 | Titan8990 | !tell pappanz about synaptics |
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| 21:05.41 | jvogel | how can i get gnome to lock on suspend? |
| 21:06.45 | azeem_ | it should do that automatically I think, provided gnome-screensaver is running |
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| 21:07.36 | jvogel | its not |
| 21:07.40 | jvogel | im doing gnome-power-cmd suspend |
| 21:09.19 | cafuego | gconf-editor /apps/gnome-power-manager/lock/suspend |
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| 21:09.55 | cafuego | It ticks the checkbox and tests, or it gets the hose again. |
| 21:10.03 | pappanz | Titan8990, I would add MaxTapTime=n to my xorg.conf, but as I am on unstable, the file is empty and I learned the input device configuration is migrating to hal (or something like that) |
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| 21:10.34 | LuciusMare | wait |
| 21:10.49 | LuciusMare | how do i specify by apt-zip that i want files for specific architecture? |
| 21:11.52 | Titan8990 | pappanz, it is but hal still doesn't control synaptics or proprietary drivers |
| 21:12.16 | Titan8990 | pappanz, well... there are fdi hal files for synaptics but it can still be configured in xorg.conf |
| 21:13.06 | Titan8990 | pappanz, there are some good xorg.conf examples here: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Synaptics_Touchpad |
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| 21:14.21 | pappanz | Titan8990, I'll have a look, thanks |
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| 21:14.57 | LuciusMare | ah,it sucks |
| 21:15.29 | cafuego | LuciusMare: it fetches files for the archirecture you run it on. |
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| 21:15.53 | LuciusMare | cafuego: then its useless for me |
| 21:16.12 | LuciusMare | i need it from one architecture to another one |
| 21:16.17 | cafuego | I think it's probably fine, maybe a spot of pebcak |
| 21:16.18 | jvogel | now |
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| 21:16.34 | jvogel | shit is f'd up whenever i run gnome-power-cmd suspend it crashes x |
| 21:16.58 | LuciusMare | i have got a box,with one architecture and second with different.that one with different does not have gcc and make,only apt and so dpkg.that one is also without internet,so the only way how to get the important packages to it is through removable media and .deb files,how do i download them,with all its dependencies and suggestions? |
| 21:17.00 | cafuego | LuciusMare: run apt-zip on the box without net access, have it generate a download script for that arch. Run the generated script on the box with access. |
| 21:17.19 | cafuego | LuciusMare: See the apt-zip documentation. |
| 21:19.03 | LuciusMare | ah |
| 21:19.11 | LuciusMare | how do i set a keyboard layout in console? |
| 21:19.21 | cafuego | No idea |
| 21:19.23 | LuciusMare | dpkg-reconfigure...? |
| 21:19.31 | cafuego | has a plane to catch, bbml |
| 21:19.37 | craigevil | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 21:20.27 | LuciusMare | thank |
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| 21:24.50 | LuciusMare | apt-zip-list -m . --skip-mount --packages=gcc,g++,make |
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| 21:25.00 | LuciusMare | its doing something,but for a long whil |
| 21:25.01 | LuciusMare | e |
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| 21:29.50 | pappanz_ | what do the first 2 numbers in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/$$-x11-synaptics.fdi mean? |
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| 21:35.47 | gravyface | hello all, is it possible to change the interface that ntpdate uses? |
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| 21:36.03 | gravyface | didn't see any option in the man pages. |
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| 21:36.41 | azeem_ | gravyface: what do you mean with interface? |
| 21:37.21 | runa_ | hi i want to use e17 but the ui interface of some packages is awful(for ex firefox). is there a way to load the libraries which are used to give a better look and can there be loaded manually) |
| 21:38.38 | Mtraker | ... I don't think so runa_ |
| 21:38.45 | azeem_ | runa_: you mean the theme of the ui? |
| 21:38.48 | azeem_ | or the ui itself |
| 21:39.10 | runa_ | i mean firefox for example looks awful |
| 21:39.27 | runa_ | there should be some libraries used to render |
| 21:39.34 | runa_ | bonobo |
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| 21:39.46 | Mtraker | I'm use the elive repos |
| 21:39.47 | runa_ | i dont know very much gnome |
| 21:40.24 | runa_ | mtraker do you use elive repos with debian? |
| 21:40.34 | Mtraker | yes |
| 21:40.42 | Mtraker | It's debian stable |
| 21:40.51 | LuciusMare | omfg |
| 21:41.01 | LuciusMare | so i made a list and a script with apt-zip-list |
| 21:41.10 | LuciusMare | ran it at the computer with access |
| 21:41.20 | LuciusMare | then i got it back to one without |
| 21:41.33 | LuciusMare | ran apt-zip inst -m . --skip-mount |
| 21:41.49 | LuciusMare | it says : error,CANNOT CONNECT TO THE INTERNET" |
| 21:41.55 | rgr | I have set up my apt/preferences with a higher score for stbale and have APT::Default-Release "stable"; in my apt.conf, but following an aupdate, aptitude upgrade is trying to drage loads of testing and unstable things ing. How can I reset to base lenny/stable? |
| 21:41.58 | LuciusMare | what is the purpose of apt-zip,then? |
| 21:42.11 | gravyface | azeem_, first off, I'm a bit green, secondly, I have 2 interfaces (eth0 and eth1) and ntpupdate is using eth0; I'd like it to use eth1. |
| 21:42.27 | azeem_ | so a network interface, ok |
| 21:43.24 | runa_ | Mtraker dont you have the same problem with programs like firefox? |
| 21:43.35 | runa_ | dont they look beter in gnome |
| 21:43.49 | Mtraker | I'm use only e17 |
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| 21:43.56 | Mtraker | and I see good |
| 21:44.13 | azeem_ | runa_: they look better in gnome because gnome applies a theme |
| 21:44.32 | azeem_ | whereas you are looking at the standard gtk+ theme |
| 21:44.45 | LuciusMare | apt-zip sucks |
| 21:44.46 | azeem_ | so figure out how to apply themes to gtk+ applications in E17 |
| 21:44.56 | LuciusMare | maybe it will rock,but with the rrors it sucks |
| 21:45.02 | runa_ | how can i apply a gtk+ theme then |
| 21:45.05 | rgr | how to set my install back to pure stable? |
| 21:45.17 | craigevil | runa_: gtk theme switcher |
| 21:45.57 | azeem_ | rgr: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 21:46.32 | rgr | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:46.50 | azeem_ | so you aborted the upgrade? |
| 21:47.00 | azeem_ | just remove the other lines from source.slist |
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| 21:47.04 | azeem_ | and run apt-get update |
| 21:47.08 | rgr | at the moment, but any other upgrade tryies to drag them in. |
| 21:47.26 | azeem_ | well, that's expected |
| 21:47.28 | rgr | But I have my scores in teh preferences file, why is it bringing them in? I need unstable for emacs23 |
| 21:47.36 | rgr | so its not expected for me. |
| 21:47.46 | azeem_ | because emacs23 depends on a lot libraries from unstable |
| 21:47.55 | azeem_ | which might in turn again depend on other libraries from unstable |
| 21:48.00 | azeem_ | so you get a lot of unstable stuff |
| 21:48.08 | rgr | azeem_: actually it doesnt. |
| 21:48.12 | azeem_ | ? |
| 21:48.12 | rgr | or shouldnt |
| 21:48.41 | rgr | there is an emacs-snapshot which is emacs23 but that wont work on my machine for some reason. |
| 21:48.57 | rgr | oh sod it, I'll goto testing then. |
| 21:49.02 | craigevil | yes it does, Depends: emacs23-bin-common (= 23.1+1-2), install-info, libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~) that only a few of them |
| 21:49.04 | azeem_ | well, try to install emacs-nox maybe |
| 21:49.17 | azeem_ | note the (>= 2.3.6-6) |
| 21:49.21 | rgr | no, I need the gtk, thaks for the help though. |
| 21:49.25 | craigevil | or try to build a backport from sid |
| 21:49.25 | azeem_ | yay dpkg-gensymbols |
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| 21:49.37 | azeem_ | rgr: well, that's more problematic I bet |
| 21:49.58 | azeem_ | well, libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0) |
| 21:50.02 | azeem_ | not so bad either |
| 21:50.44 | craigevil | emacs23-gtk still depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), |
| 21:50.48 | gravity | backport it yo |
| 21:50.53 | azeem_ | craigevil: and? |
| 21:51.08 | craigevil | judd: versions libc6 |
| 21:51.09 | judd | craigevil: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-23 |
| 21:51.11 | azeem_ | that's roughtly oldstable |
| 21:51.20 | craigevil | yes it is mu bad |
| 21:51.23 | craigevil | my* |
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| 21:57.35 | pappanz | I can't remember what is the location of that directory in which are stored all the links to the applications and their configuration about appearance on the menu, etc... |
| 21:58.13 | craigevil | pappanz: perhaps /usr/share/applications thats where the foo.desktop things are |
| 22:00.24 | paul___ | my monitor is saying frequency out of range, how do I fix this ? |
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| 22:04.24 | pappanz | craigevil, genau! thank you! |
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| 22:49.47 | esaym153 | is phonon the only thing I need installed to have sound in kde4? or do I need to install arts,alsa,jaked ect |
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| 22:49.54 | esaym153 | I only have arts installed in kde3 |
| 22:50.09 | esaym153 | but have removed arts on the kde4 upgrade that I just did |
| 22:50.15 | sanmarcos | esaym153: try it out |
| 22:50.21 | sanmarcos | apt should resolve dependencies |
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| 22:50.41 | sanmarcos | I guess phonon is just a layer on top of puleaudio, jack, alsa, or some shit like that |
| 22:50.47 | sanmarcos | they change it every few months, it never works |
| 22:50.54 | sanmarcos | developing audio apps for linux is almost impossible |
| 22:50.58 | esaym153 | I have some sound, but phonon complains when kde starts |
| 22:51.07 | sanmarcos | esaym153: #kde |
| 22:51.12 | sanmarcos | or #debian-kde |
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| 22:51.22 | esaym153 | yes, that is why I always just used arts since it was part of kde.. |
| 22:51.36 | esaym153 | sanmarcos: are you in san marcos, tx? |
| 22:51.51 | sanmarcos | no |
| 22:51.54 | esaym153 | oj :( |
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| 22:58.23 | JoelR | sorry for the newbie question, but if i have a server who has Xeon cpu's should i install ia64 instead i386? how do i know that? |
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| 23:08.47 | careta | how can I see what packages were last updated by aptitude? |
| 23:09.10 | valdyn | JoelR: you should probably install amd64 |
| 23:09.38 | valdyn | careta: by reading /var/log/aptitude |
| 23:09.42 | JoelR | valdyn, amd64? but my cpu is not amd |
| 23:10.07 | valdyn | !amd64 |
| 23:10.07 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 23:10.26 | valdyn | !ia64 |
| 23:10.27 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
| 23:11.57 | careta | i got some package upgraded which breaks my hibernation - when I resume from hibernate my keyboard doesn't work properly and gnome doesn't response... the vt's are fine |
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| 23:13.19 | careta | anyone using squeeze got the same problem? |
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| 23:14.32 | nsadmin | careta you're goimng to have to figure out what packages you installed... without that info, the "anyone have3 same problem" question won't produce anything useful |
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| 23:15.10 | careta | nsadmin, that won't be easy given that since august 1st, over 150 packages were upgraded in squeeze |
| 23:15.31 | nsadmin | I think aptitude has logs |
| 23:15.42 | careta | and it was not me who installed them, it was the update manager |
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| 23:16.32 | nsadmin | also doubtw the usefulness of update managers that dohn't tell you what they're going to do |
| 23:17.08 | nsadmin | you'll have to excuse my speling , my connection is maxed out right now |
| 23:17.48 | nsadmin | careta think about it this way... |
| 23:17.49 | careta | nsadmin, it told me what packages were upgraded. My point is that it was not something I installed, it was a recommended update |
| 23:18.08 | careta | I bet its that piece of shit gnome-power-manager |
| 23:18.43 | nsadmin | at this point you're not sure what was installed, and (perhaps) as a result you're not sure how you have the problem you're complaining aobut |
| 23:18.55 | nsadmin | similarly.... |
| 23:19.06 | valdyn | g-p-m doesnt *do* hibernate, it can hardly break it |
| 23:19.49 | careta | well, its either gnome or xorg, since the vt's work fine. And xorg/gdm was not updated since this problem appeared |
| 23:19.55 | nsadmin | I have zero clue either what you had installed before, what you have installed now and therefore have no way at all to relate that to your current problem |
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| 23:20.37 | valdyn | theres a webpage dedicated to debugging the usual hibernate/suspend tools and also instruction in the manpages iirc |
| 23:21.19 | nsadmin | you're starting to figure out what the relationship is, that's good, that will help and will be increasingly helpful as you finish that process |
| 23:21.50 | valdyn | careta: read: http://en.opensuse.org/S2disk |
| 23:22.03 | careta | valdyn, i'm using tuxOnIce |
| 23:22.13 | valdyn | careta: thats not even in debian |
| 23:22.36 | careta | i know. But i've been using it for months now, and it works perfectly |
| 23:22.44 | careta | I mean, worked perfectly |
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| 23:23.49 | nsadmin | and is therefore not up for support here... to the point that there will be topic police who will (eventually) kick people who try to help with it |
| 23:24.07 | valdyn | careta: same deal, you need to use its debugging facilities to figure out whats wrong, the website is tuxonice.net |
| 23:24.34 | valdyn | careta: s2disk will use tuxonice too i think |
| 23:25.03 | valdyn | careta: which would mean that the instructions still apply |
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| 23:25.53 | Roland- | hey, is there a way to migrate from ext3 to ext4 with the system partition? |
| 23:26.25 | nsadmin | Roland- back up, reformat partition, restore |
| 23:26.44 | valdyn | uh, reformatting is not required |
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| 23:26.57 | valdyn | Roland-: your boot manager will likely not support ext4 |
| 23:27.10 | nsadmin | but backing up is. |
| 23:27.29 | nsadmin | if you do not, you take your chances |
| 23:28.05 | runa_ | when my system boots it has problems with my dvd drive. how can i make the system disregard the configuration of the drive. i dont want to remove the drive but i dont want my system do consider it |
| 23:28.19 | nsadmin | so the solution for what valdyn just said is keep a separate /boot |
| 23:28.25 | valdyn | Roland-: other than that its fairly easy to migrate, instructions are for instance at kernelnewbies.org. However its dangerous, and even though its easy you can fuck it up |
| 23:28.25 | nsadmin | on a primary partition |
| 23:30.29 | nsadmin | so make rue you can boot a rescue system that (1) you use to back up the partition, and (2) you can use to restore |
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| 23:31.56 | nsadmin | the rescue system would either need to support ext4 (since it's what you want to use for /) or simply act as a way to restore to what you had before (your / on an ext3) |
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| 23:34.42 | nsadmin | having said all this, it's fairly conservative. if you have an adventurous spirit and you feel lucky OR you dohn't care anything abou all the data on all drives of your system, then just go for it (not recommended for servers or other mission-critical machines) |
| 23:37.14 | ranix | I can't suggest ext4 for normal usage |
| 23:37.38 | nsadmin | too new? |
| 23:37.41 | ranix | if you need something that is not ext3, you should consider xfs |
| 23:38.12 | ranix | and if you need something that specifically does what ReiserFS does you could consider that, but I don't recommend it |
| 23:38.33 | nsadmin | and you will need a UPS for some features of xjf |
| 23:38.38 | nsadmin | xfs |
| 23:38.47 | ranix | what? |
| 23:39.00 | Vorbote | Meh, ext4 is fine as long as you are using a heavlily patched 2.6.30 kernel, as the one in Sid. An earlier kernel is inadvisible. |
| 23:39.34 | Vorbote | s/inadvisible/reckless abandon/ |
| 23:40.51 | nsadmin | sid is reckless abandon ^W^W inadvisable too :P |
| 23:41.36 | Vorbote | it depends on who is treading the tiger's tail. A kung-fu master can walk on rice paper :-= |
| 23:41.39 | Vorbote | :-= |
| 23:41.51 | Vorbote | :-) Darn keyboard. |
| 23:42.13 | nsadmin | anyone can walk on rice paper as long as there's support structure underneath |
| 23:43.00 | Vorbote | Have tried to walk on it, barefoot, without shrinking it nor having it stick to your footsoles? |
| 23:43.20 | nsadmin | neither of us applied those constraints |
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| 23:43.44 | KidneyBeans | What is a vnc server that i can get with aptitude? |
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| 23:44.04 | Vorbote | Those are the ones in the Shaolin Temple exams :-) |
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| 23:44.12 | gcosmin | what client can i use for yahoo chat ? |
| 23:44.14 | KidneyBeans | Vorbote what you talking about? |
| 23:44.27 | nsadmin | KidneyBeans: congratulations! you have one the jeopardy challenge! |
| 23:44.53 | KidneyBeans | ? |
| 23:45.11 | nsadmin | KidneyBeans: we're kidding with you.... |
| 23:45.30 | Vorbote | KidneyBeans: if you are using GNOME you should already have vino installed. |
| 23:45.52 | KidneyBeans | im using kde and ksrb isnt working |
| 23:45.56 | nsadmin | seriously, vnc is probably priprietary and there are other virtualization technologies available |
| 23:46.40 | KidneyBeans | its not virtualization you ignoramus. |
| 23:46.52 | ranix | nsadmin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Network_Computing wikipedia before you start spreading misinformation |
| 23:46.57 | Vorbote | nope, vnc isn't propietary but it is slow as molasses. |
| 23:47.33 | gcosmin | what client can i use for yahoo? |
| 23:47.46 | ranix | gcosmin: pidgin works well |
| 23:47.49 | KidneyBeans | use kopete or pidgin |
| 23:47.52 | gcosmin | it doesn't |
| 23:48.07 | ranix | KidneyBeans: apt-cache search vnc |
| 23:48.17 | Vorbote | would use FreeNX if forced to use a remote access thingy. |
| 23:48.19 | gcosmin | ranix: it's saing that is connecting but it doesn't do anything |
| 23:48.34 | ranix | gcosmin: there've been some changes to yahoo's protocol recently |
| 23:48.51 | ranix | gcosmin: I have heard a lot of buzz from pidgin users who are unable to connect |
| 23:48.53 | gcosmin | ranix: what should I change ? |
| 23:49.15 | ranix | there's a new version of pidgin either released or coming out |
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| 23:49.46 | gcosmin | can I use someting else instead of pidgin ? |
| 23:49.47 | nsadmin | YAY! my dump is finished transferring! |
| 23:49.49 | ranix | !pidgin yahoo |
| 23:49.49 | dpkg | Yahoo! Inc. is in the process of dropping support for older Yahoo! Messenger clients, affecting users of <Pidgin> versions <= 2.5.6. See Debian bug #533729 (fixed in 2.5.7-1). Additional details at http://planet.pidgin.im/ . Workaround: use pager server 'cn.scs.msg.yahoo.com' (Accounts -> Manage Accounts -> select "Yahoo", click Modify -> Advanced -> Pager Server). |
| 23:50.10 | gcosmin | thanks |
| 23:50.14 | ranix | np |
| 23:50.32 | ranix | should be fixed soon, I think there will be effort to add this pidgin to stable or bpo |
| 23:50.39 | ranix | check the bug report for more info |
| 23:50.43 | ranix | still being talked over |
| 23:50.58 | gcosmin | it works now |
| 23:50.59 | gcosmin | ;) |
| 23:51.06 | gcosmin | ranix: you are the man |
| 23:51.12 | ranix | darn right |
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