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| 00:10.19 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:13.31 | jeeves__ | how can I change my default display res to something higher? Gnome won't let me go higher than 800x600, but in windows, I can get 1024x600 |
| 00:13.45 | pistorexDD | hei |
| 00:13.50 | pistorexDD | why command i remove the gnome |
| 00:14.02 | pistorexDD | apt-get remove --purge gnome gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment |
| 00:14.02 | pistorexDD | ? |
| 00:14.12 | xsdg | jeeves__: if you run `xrandr` in a console, what does it say? (paste somewhere like rafb.net/paste ) |
| 00:14.24 | jeeves__ | xsdg, one sec. I'll check |
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| 00:15.47 | meisterluk | is there any possibility to get the name of the package which provides the "pdflatex"-command/programm? |
| 00:16.03 | jeeves__ | xsdg, http://www.pastebin.ca/1522458 |
| 00:16.15 | xsdg | meisterluk: packages.debian.org |
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| 00:16.38 | meisterluk | xsdg: ah... true. I will have a look at it. thx :-) |
| 00:16.38 | wizL | meisterluk try apt-cache search pdflatex |
| 00:16.46 | xsdg | yeah, what wizL said |
| 00:16.53 | meisterluk | wizL: thx :-) |
| 00:16.57 | wizL | np |
| 00:17.02 | Vorbote | pistorexDD: tasksel remove gnome-desktop |
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| 00:17.24 | jeeves__ | xsdg, did you get my post? |
| 00:17.27 | xsdg | jeeves__: yeah |
| 00:17.34 | meisterluk | works great :-) thx a lot |
| 00:17.41 | jeeves__ | xsdg, ok, sorry, didn't know if you saw it in the mess |
| 00:17.57 | xsdg | jeeves__: weird; I presume this is a laptop? Can you put /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere? |
| 00:18.04 | xsdg | jeeves__: also, is this a widescreen or 4:3? |
| 00:18.17 | jeeves__ | xsdg, yes. It's an Acer AspireOne |
| 00:18.32 | pistorexDD | Vorbote: thx for install again is apt-get install gnome-desktop or apt-get install gnome? |
| 00:19.44 | Vorbote | pistorexDD: tasksel install gnome-desktop |
| 00:19.52 | jeeves__ | xsdg, I'm thinking it's a widescreen, but I'm doubting the 16:9 though. as I said, I know in Windows, it reports as a 1024x600 |
| 00:19.59 | xsdg | jeeves__: yeah |
| 00:20.16 | xsdg | jeeves__: the website says 1024x600 and xrandr reports that it's running at 1024x600 also |
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| 00:20.38 | jeeves__ | xsdg, ok, so how/where can I edit my x11 configs to get it to do it? |
| 00:20.55 | xsdg | jeeves__: first off, do `xwininfo -root` |
| 00:21.06 | xsdg | that should say definitively what size your display is running at |
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| 00:22.00 | jeeves__ | xsdg, http://www.pastebin.ca/1522460 |
| 00:22.22 | Metatron | anyone help with suggestions on how to best utilize a midi keyboard under linux? |
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| 00:24.25 | xsdg | jeeves__: yeah, so it seems like it's running at 1024x600. Why do you think it's running at 800x600? |
| 00:24.31 | davi | IceCat is a lot quicker and stable than IceWeasel |
| 00:24.44 | pistorexDD | Vorbote:help-me |
| 00:24.45 | pistorexDD | Vorbote: thx for install again is apt-get install gnome-desktop or apt-get install gnome? |
| 00:24.49 | superlinux | hi all. it might look silly. however, my debian has made an excellent uptime |
| 00:25.05 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.05 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:25.33 | superlinux | and on this kernel: Linux www.superlinux.net 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sun Jun 21 04:57:38 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:25.37 | markybob | Supaplex, 31 days is not excellent. windows server 2003 does that |
| 00:25.47 | jeeves__ | xsdg, oops, I guess after the last update, it fixed the screen res. I was having problems before with it being stuck in 800x600 mode |
| 00:26.07 | superlinux | markybob, for me it's |
| 00:26.18 | xsdg | jeeves__: aah, weird |
| 00:26.31 | superlinux | i am just happy for that |
| 00:26.38 | jeeves__ | xsdg, but it's all fixed now!! :-) |
| 00:26.42 | superlinux | or to see it before me |
| 00:26.48 | jeeves__ | xsdg, thanks for putting up with me |
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| 00:27.07 | xsdg | jeeves__: bah, no problem |
| 00:27.36 | jeeves__ | xsdg, now I move onto VMSphere and see if I can get this rack of 1U servers to act as a cloud |
| 00:28.09 | xsdg | jeeves__: sounds "fun"; good luck :o) |
| 00:28.12 | markybob | jeeves__, it's pretty easy. vsphere makes it easy as pie |
| 00:28.49 | jeeves__ | markybob, the copy I found to "play" with seems to be a bootable 3 DVD set. Any ideas on where I can ask about it before I waste a ton of time loading up 10 servers? |
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| 00:29.35 | markybob | jeeves__, www.hypervizor.com has great video tutorials |
| 00:30.05 | jeeves__ | markybob, ok, thanks. I was looking to just get it to run on top of Ubuntu or Debian, but apparently, it's a total OS. |
| 00:30.27 | markybob | jeeves__, yes...you run debian or ubuntu in vsphere, not the other way around |
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| 00:31.04 | jeeves__ | markybob, so the vsphere is the OS that lives on the physical box, right? |
| 00:31.22 | markybob | jeeves__, yes. and technically it's a modified redhat OS |
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| 00:31.57 | nsadmin | superlinux: just so ya know... year-long uptimes are average, with longer uptimes very doable... just leave it run. |
| 00:32.12 | jeeves__ | markybob, ok. As I said, I have this stack of 1U servers that I inheareted from work. So, I'm looking for ways of doing something with them, but I'm concered about downtime if I have to install more RAM, etc. |
| 00:32.33 | nsadmin | you just woudl need to do some work to see what apps are hogging mem, etc |
| 00:32.35 | jeeves__ | markybob, also, I've been doing reading, and from what I see, it supports dynamic system startup/shutdown. |
| 00:32.50 | superlinux | aha |
| 00:33.20 | markybob | jeeves__, there is no downtime, if you do it right. you can set up failover servers, which you can think of as raid for the entire server, not just the hd. so if a server goes down, the virtual machines on that server stay running |
| 00:33.24 | superlinux | maybe my hardware , thanks God, i sgood |
| 00:33.27 | superlinux | maybe my hardware , thanks God, is good |
| 00:34.08 | nsadmin | hmm, I just had an idea... maybe your hardware is good! |
| 00:34.43 | nsadmin | seriously tho... keep it that way by making sure it stays cool |
| 00:35.29 | jeeves__ | nsadmin, I took off with a half height\ rack from work as well. |
| 00:36.15 | nsadmin | dumpster diving is considered legally safer if the dumpster is located outside the bldg :) |
| 00:36.25 | jeeves__ | lol |
| 00:36.53 | jeeves__ | it's even easier when you "borrow" the panel van, and you have the moving crew just load it into the truck with you. It cost me a case of beer |
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| 00:40.23 | darkblue_B | how do I install mod-ssl for apache2? |
| 00:40.32 | darkblue_B | the pkg names are not making sense to me |
| 00:40.59 | darkblue_B | debian 5.02 fresh install |
| 00:41.59 | markybob | darkblue_B, in apache2, it's built in. apt-get install apache2 will do it |
| 00:42.27 | markybob | darkblue_B, then of course, `sudo a2enmod ssl` and configure it |
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| 00:43.27 | darkblue_B | a2enmod .. ah oh eh |
| 00:43.37 | darkblue_B | (new to me) |
| 00:43.57 | markybob | darkblue_B, you should google a couple of tutorials, then. |
| 00:44.44 | darkblue_B | yes |
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| 00:50.07 | toad_ | when will the XML vulnerability be fixed in debian and will the java part of it be fixed by deploying sun 1.6 update 15 in lenny, or will it be backported somehow? |
| 00:50.35 | toad_ | CVE says it's a DoS, but it's actually a remote code exec, see http://www.cert.fi/en/reports/2009/vulnerability2009085.html |
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| 01:19.20 | planet8 | Anyone with info about why quanta isn't in kdewebdev in squeeze? |
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| 01:20.12 | mfillpot | good evening everyone |
| 01:20.37 | GhostlyDeath | Greetings |
| 01:21.59 | planet8 | evening :) |
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| 01:22.28 | mfillpot | I am attempting to setup a pxe installation server for my LUG and one of the requests is to include debian, I would like to know what files I can house on a small ftp server that I can use to complete a network installation locally. |
| 01:23.15 | markybob | mfillpot, why stop there? why not do a fully automated install? |
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| 01:23.37 | markybob | mfillpot, if you're gonna show off, do it properly :P |
| 01:24.19 | mfillpot | markybob: my pxe server will start by prompting for a choice of distros, I only want to use the pxe to start the installs and the ftp will house the minimal packages needed to complete the installations |
| 01:24.55 | mfillpot | this is intended to be used for older notebooks and diskless netbooks, but a choice must be offered |
| 01:24.58 | Roland- | somebody is bruteforcing my ftp server, any ways to prevent that? |
| 01:25.30 | markybob | Roland-, install fail2ban |
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| 01:26.01 | Roland- | reads about fail2ban |
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| 01:28.13 | mfillpot | markybob: Can you tell me what files I will have to store to allow the basic install from a local ftp server? |
| 01:30.18 | nsadmin | mfillpot: you can also read the install guide and the release notes; the former will at least enumerate several different ways of installing, pick your path thru that |
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| 01:31.16 | mfillpot | nsadmin: thank you, sorry for the questions, but this is my first time touching debian |
| 01:32.01 | nsadmin | mfillpot if markybob happens to be busy atm, at least you have some choices of how to use that time |
| 01:32.52 | mfillpot | if the guide answers my questions then I am set, after I can prove the install works, then I will setup debian lenny in a VM and give it a try |
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| 01:33.37 | nsadmin | of course you're welcoem to hang out and ask when you get stuck |
| 01:34.13 | nsadmin | if the guide is totally greek, let us know |
| 01:34.57 | mfillpot | I've been working with *nix for about a decade now, the only real questions I expect will be about the file structure.. but who know I often get stalled from overthinking simple things. |
| 01:35.36 | nsadmin | you're looking to install this on what ultimately? |
| 01:36.52 | mfillpot | when I am done I want to jsut have a server setup to serve the distro installs to whatever laptop or desktop system is connected to the segregated lan |
| 01:37.10 | nsadmin | so you want a mirror |
| 01:37.14 | nsadmin | yes?\ |
| 01:37.31 | nsadmin | and then install onto whatever? |
| 01:37.47 | racecar56 | how do i set up a ati radeon hd 2400 pro with fglrx? |
| 01:37.51 | mfillpot | not a full mirror, I will most likely be limited on disk space from storing several installers on the ftp |
| 01:38.54 | nsadmin | if the machines will have a cdrom drive, you could burn netinst cds or maybe a dvd or some |
| 01:39.24 | nsadmin | but it looks like what you're not looking for is to install debian on a remote |
| 01:39.39 | nsadmin | which is harder but not impossible |
| 01:39.39 | mfillpot | that is he problem, the specific system that debian is being setup for has hardware problems that disabled the cdrom, floppy and usb |
| 01:41.07 | nsadmin | hmm. sounds bad... but nothing a motherboard swap won't cure |
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| 01:41.32 | Spaceghost | hi all |
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| 01:41.50 | Spaceghost | I have a pendrive, put it, and when I like copy a file |
| 01:41.52 | mfillpot | poor student, this is good because it gives me a chance to splay with pxe and other distros which I will give a presentation on at next month's meeting |
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| 01:42.09 | Spaceghost | the enviroment says that I haven't writable permissions |
| 01:42.15 | Spaceghost | how I can give it? |
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| 01:42.49 | nsadmin | Spaceghost first find out what filesystem it has |
| 01:42.58 | Spaceghost | is fat16 |
| 01:43.44 | Spaceghost | I can create directorys in bash as root |
| 01:43.46 | Spaceghost | but |
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| 01:45.31 | Spaceghost | the disk don't appears in the desktop or media |
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| 01:46.00 | Spaceghost | with my hard disk in kde3.5 I can put right click and give writable permissions |
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| 01:48.20 | _daniel_ | Hello, I am trying to get Debian Woody net install, can anyone point me to somewhere I can download it ? |
| 01:48.39 | markybob | _daniel_, why? |
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| 01:49.04 | _daniel_ | well I would like to install debian woody |
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| 01:49.12 | markybob | _daniel_, why? |
| 01:49.31 | _daniel_ | I don't now if the repos will still work, but I am willing to download all the cd's |
| 01:49.34 | Korlis | ello all |
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| 01:49.49 | _daniel_ | I need an old version of Libc for a specific program |
| 01:49.51 | markybob | _daniel_, woody is ancient. if you dont have a good reason, you dont want it |
| 01:50.05 | Korlis | holy crap, you're still using woody? |
| 01:50.42 | _daniel_ | sarge comes with 2.3.5 and I need 2.3.3, so yeah, woody is the one |
| 01:50.52 | markybob | _daniel_, you're just not gonna get it. woody is 3.0...debian is at 5.0.2...that's decades apart |
| 01:50.55 | Korlis | wow |
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| 01:51.04 | nsadmin | _daniel_: you could run any linux and build that version of libc |
| 01:51.14 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: the files are available on http://archive.debian.org/ but I wouldn't be at all sure that a new installation will work without you doing custom modifications that are beyond the scope of #debian |
| 01:51.17 | _daniel_ | Yeah tried that, my GNU compiler is too recent, |
| 01:51.26 | nsadmin | and have it installed in somewhere like... your home dir |
| 01:51.29 | _daniel_ | so I would have to build gcc too, etc |
| 01:51.31 | Korlis | what are you trying to do? |
| 01:51.37 | nsadmin | you can also build earlier compilers :) |
| 01:51.54 | nsadmin | actually yeah, that's a good question |
| 01:52.22 | Hydroxide | markybob: technically, seven years apart |
| 01:52.29 | _daniel_ | I used woody my freshman yeah of college, is not really that old |
| 01:52.37 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: 2002. |
| 01:53.04 | Korlis | i use debian on my NAS, ubuntu on my desktop |
| 01:53.07 | _daniel_ | yeah win xp is that old... |
| 01:53.07 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: not decades old, but it's as old in the free software world as decades-old OSes would be in the windows world |
| 01:53.19 | _daniel_ | I still think is totally usable |
| 01:53.31 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: they have the resources to support windows xp from 2001 to 2014; debian doesn't |
| 01:53.32 | nsadmin | no question about htat |
| 01:53.40 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: it's totally insecure though |
| 01:53.48 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: nobody is fixing security bugs in woody any more |
| 01:53.51 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: or sarge, for that matter |
| 01:53.59 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: and etch will only have security fixes until early 2010 |
| 01:54.12 | Korlis | and upgrade from woody would probably not turn out well |
| 01:54.25 | Hydroxide | Korlis: not directly. he'd have to upgrade from woody to sarge to etch to lenny |
| 01:54.29 | Hydroxide | Korlis: that SHOULD work, though. |
| 01:54.34 | Hydroxide | Korlis: still, there's no point |
| 01:54.50 | Korlis | Clean install would be faster |
| 01:54.55 | nsadmin | so _daniel_: what are you trying to accomplish |
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| 01:54.56 | dmoerner | it would be interesting to see what's the oldest machine running debian lenny that's been dist-upgraded from previous stable releases |
| 01:54.56 | Hydroxide | Korlis: fully agreed |
| 01:55.19 | markybob | he's probably still pissed that shadow moved to md5 |
| 01:55.31 | _daniel_ | nsadmin compile a program using glibc 2.3.3 |
| 01:55.32 | Korlis | ive dist-upgraded this ubuntu bo from edgy |
| 01:55.46 | Hydroxide | dmoerner: I think I had a machine that I installed with potato right before woody came out and kept upgrading to sid some time post-sarge, maybe post-etch |
| 01:55.51 | nsadmin | which won't build using later libcs? |
| 01:55.53 | Korlis | each time it would kill my nvidia drivers, and last time it didn't update GRUB |
| 01:55.53 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: what program? |
| 01:56.12 | _daniel_ | Hydroxide, custom program |
| 01:56.23 | _AnywhereIs_ | rootkit i presume 0_o ;D |
| 01:56.30 | Spaceghost | I have a pendrive, put it, and when I like copy a file |
| 01:56.37 | _daniel_ | nsadmin, it builds just won't work |
| 01:56.38 | Spaceghost | the enviroment says that I haven't writable permissions |
| 01:56.40 | _daniel_ | no no rootkit |
| 01:56.45 | Spaceghost | how I can give it? |
| 01:56.49 | _daniel_ | its and old game |
| 01:56.59 | _AnywhereIs_ | believes ;) |
| 01:57.06 | markybob | Spaceghost, you read man chmod and man chown |
| 01:57.16 | nsadmin | Spaceghost: have you answered the questions you were asked? |
| 01:57.24 | _AnywhereIs_ | _daniel_ whats that game's name? |
| 01:57.27 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: well if it builds with the newer version of glibc but doesn't work, how does it fail? |
| 01:57.42 | _daniel_ | segfaults on a heap corruption |
| 01:58.23 | _daniel_ | 2.3.5 introduced a much stiffer heap checks |
| 01:58.23 | Spaceghost | I have read the man chmod |
| 01:58.23 | Korlis | Spaceghost, are you trying to copy to or from the pen drive |
| 01:58.24 | nsadmin | _daniel_: maybe you want those, so you can go in and fix it :) |
| 01:58.37 | nsadmin | Spaceghost: have you answered the questions you were asked? |
| 01:58.51 | Spaceghost | fat16 the partition |
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| 01:58.56 | Spaceghost | and what more? |
| 01:58.58 | _daniel_ | I don't want to touch the source |
| 01:59.11 | _daniel_ | it used to work on woody, I remember I had it compiled on woody |
| 01:59.20 | _daniel_ | so thats why I want it |
| 01:59.32 | Spaceghost | nsadmin, I am not understand |
| 01:59.40 | nsadmin | no woodys at archive.debian.org? |
| 01:59.52 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: it's there |
| 02:00.06 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: I gave you the place to get woody many lines up - http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 02:00.25 | nsadmin | Spaceghost: chmod won't help you to write as some user, you use options when you mount it |
| 02:00.26 | _AnywhereIs_ | that's why gaming gives so many troubles! ;) |
| 02:00.33 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/ will let you find the install manual. I just can't guarantee it'll work without you having to do as many modifications as you'd need to do to fix the game :P |
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| 02:00.57 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: and if you have problems with installing woody, I'm sorry, but #debian doesn't support woody any more. |
| 02:01.02 | _daniel_ | yeah, but where are hte ISO's ? |
| 02:01.09 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: not sure if there are any |
| 02:01.15 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: anymore |
| 02:01.18 | _daniel_ | :( |
| 02:01.39 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: you might have to use jigdo to make one or use a floppy install or something. check the install manual see if you can figure something out |
| 02:01.54 | nsadmin | so woody package archive is there but no cd images? |
| 02:02.00 | markybob | there isos...but you're still probably an idiot for wanting it |
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| 02:02.03 | markybob | http://mirror.klabs.be/debian-cd/woody/netinst/lordsuch/debian-minicd/woody-i386-1.iso |
| 02:02.12 | Hydroxide | markybob: cool. news to me. |
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| 02:02.43 | Hydroxide | markybob: where'd you find that? generic google search? |
| 02:03.00 | markybob | Hydroxide, yes. genius, huh? :P |
| 02:03.20 | Hydroxide | markybob: yep :) |
| 02:03.31 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: here too apparently: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/ (but that's throttled and is slow) |
| 02:03.35 | nsadmin | markybob: he doesn't want to fix the game, just play it... later compilers check the heap accesses too closely |
| 02:04.04 | _daniel_ | thanks awesome :) |
| 02:04.17 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/585009467831 has various ways to get jigdo stuff, etc. anyway, if you run into issues, please don't ask about them here - we need to devote our resources to supporting lenny, with some degree of support for etch |
| 02:04.19 | _daniel_ | I am really looking forward on using woody again... |
| 02:04.20 | nsadmin | hope it workes... |
| 02:04.35 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: and I encourage you to disconnect your woody machine from the network - it's wildly insecure |
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| 02:04.51 | _daniel_ | its going on a VM with no network |
| 02:04.54 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: that works |
| 02:04.56 | _daniel_ | so i'll be ok |
| 02:05.13 | Hydroxide | _daniel_: it's about as insecure as xp from 2006 would be now :) since that's when we stopped supporting it |
| 02:05.15 | nsadmin | you might as well fix the damn thing |
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| 02:06.24 | _daniel_ | I also want to remember old linux things :) |
| 02:06.57 | nsadmin | you mean... old like cat, head, tail, echo? |
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| 02:07.05 | nsadmin | which is what I like to call my text editor :) |
| 02:07.05 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: no, old like having to configure hardware and kernel modules manually in virtually all cases |
| 02:07.15 | Hydroxide | :P |
| 02:07.50 | markybob | you still have fucking pcspkr |
| 02:07.59 | markybob | god i'd love to kill whoever did that |
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| 02:08.31 | Hydroxide | markybob: I certainly didn't have to add anything explicit to get my pc speaker stuff working on my thinkpad |
| 02:08.38 | nsadmin | or just give him a virus that makes all his pc speakers moo |
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| 02:08.39 | Evet | Is Plesk compatible with Debian? |
| 02:08.46 | Hydroxide | Evet: no idea. ask them. |
| 02:09.09 | markybob | Hydroxide, ....that's my point. it's an awful, always around pos |
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| 02:09.47 | Hydroxide | markybob: heh. depends on context. it's nice for a few limited purposes. but it's quite easy to blacklist that module by dropping a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ (not on woody though :P) |
| 02:10.08 | Hydroxide | markybob: any file name (though ending in .conf will be more future-proof), containing "blacklist pcspkr" |
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| 02:29.52 | argosy | Noob question: where are source packages installed to when installed via 'apt-get source <pkgname>'? |
| 02:30.30 | dmoerner | argosy: your current directory |
| 02:30.32 | markybob | argosy, PWD |
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| 02:30.57 | argosy | Right. Thanks. |
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| 02:34.44 | ajavid | markybob, hi |
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| 02:35.26 | ajavid | markybob, are you still working on deluge? |
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| 02:45.45 | Spaceghost | I am back |
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| 02:46.19 | markybob | ajavid, no. not for 9 months or so...which is why development has pretty much stopped |
| 02:47.18 | markybob | ajavid, andrew pretty much crashed that into oblivion |
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| 02:51.42 | nyk2005 | I upgraded postgresql from 7.4 to 8.3 and now I can't start any of both of them! |
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| 03:09.43 | nyk2005 | After the uprade to psql 8.3, the 7.4 init script just silentily does nothing. what can be wrong? the 8.3 also does nothing. |
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| 03:10.45 | nsadmin | nyk2005 what was the upgrade script supposed to do? |
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| 03:12.16 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: I don't know.. I did a dist-upgrad because so many packages were beeing kept back and I wanted a new version of dovecot. |
| 03:12.39 | nsadmin | do you have existing data in the 7.4? |
| 03:12.40 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: I totally forgot about psql... |
| 03:13.32 | nsadmin | do you have backups of any data in the 7.4? |
| 03:14.01 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: and the init script looks fishy... it's just "start $VERSION". no idea how that should work.. |
| 03:14.31 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: no... but also no imporant data, just some logs |
| 03:15.25 | nyk2005 | nyk2005: I just wish I could get 7.4 back to running |
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| 03:15.31 | nsadmin | when you look at the dir /var/lib/postgresql how many numbers do you see |
| 03:15.58 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: just 7,4 |
| 03:16.01 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: strange |
| 03:16.13 | nsadmin | ohh, so you should have that data still |
| 03:16.30 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: the upgrade script complained (aptitude). |
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| 03:16.50 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: yeah, but the init script doesnt work |
| 03:17.19 | nsadmin | please show how you invoked it |
| 03:18.10 | agike | Aaargh .. found it. Thanks for your Zen-like patience. |
| 03:18.35 | odinsbane | So I tried to start up lenny via a live release, and I recieved a lot of read errors sr0, then when it finally finished, gnome wouldn't start just a blank white screen. |
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| 03:19.16 | odinsbane | I thought the cd was bad so I tar'd the whole thing to see if there would be a read error, but it tar'd fine. |
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| 03:21.48 | odinsbane | I did a deboostrap'd version of 'testing' and now I plan on installing gnome and the squeeze kernel, but I don't know how to add it to grub. |
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| 03:23.17 | cockroach | hmm, i'm currently installing debian from the latest (5.0.2) mini-iso and installation hangs because, in the background, apt is complaining about untrusted packages (i should type "yes" now) - what can i do? |
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| 03:27.17 | reZo | i'm using putty, with screen + irssi, however, screen is fullscreen on my putty terminal, but irssi is a small box, can i refresh the irssi window size, if so, how? |
| 03:27.24 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: /etc/init.d/postgresql-7.4 start (or stop) doesn't do anything. |
| 03:27.59 | nsadmin | ok, maybe the 7.4 isn't there anymore |
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| 03:28.17 | nsadmin | the data is but not the backend |
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| 03:29.39 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: but the 8.3 init script does the same! |
| 03:30.05 | nsadmin | so you need to find out why |
| 03:30.30 | nsadmin | I'm guessing it removed the 7.4 and never installed the 8.3 |
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| 03:32.15 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: yes, probably! I got "i A postgresql-client-8.3" when doing "aptitude search postgresql" |
| 03:32.22 | nyk2005 | what does the A mean? |
| 03:32.42 | nyk2005 | nyk2005: can I just go back to 7.4 somehow? |
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| 03:33.04 | nsadmin | I don't know aptitude well enough |
| 03:33.57 | nyk2005 | me neigher, I normally use gentoo... :( |
| 03:34.17 | nyk2005 | trying to remove 8.3 and then installing 7.4 ... hope it works |
| 03:34.26 | nsadmin | probably what you'll have to do if it actually removed 7.4 is to build a 7.4 from source and then point it at your data |
| 03:34.38 | nyk2005 | guess it wont be in apt anymore.. |
| 03:34.47 | nyk2005 | ah yes, cool |
| 03:35.10 | nyk2005 | /var/lib/postgresql/7.4 isn't the default data location for a source build? |
| 03:35.24 | nsadmin | nope |
| 03:35.33 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.41 | nsadmin | err |
| 03:35.47 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.11 | nsadmin | but you can start the backend on the data you have too |
| 03:36.27 | nsadmin | there's a data dir parameter to postmaster |
| 03:36.45 | nyk2005 | would you take 7.4.25 or an older 7.4? |
| 03:37.34 | nsadmin | the idea is you can build the pg7, start it on your data dir, dump the data. |
| 03:37.52 | nyk2005 | and the same for the stuff in etc |
| 03:38.04 | nsadmin | once you have (plain text format) dump, feed it into 8.3 pg and see if it goes |
| 03:38.04 | nyk2005 | or leave it that way.. :) |
| 03:38.22 | nyk2005 | I'll be happy with the 7.4 source build... |
| 03:38.39 | nsadmin | if this works you won't need it long |
| 03:40.24 | nyk2005 | ...but it will take long to work... :) already unpacking the source takes forever |
| 03:40.29 | nyk2005 | still unpacking |
| 03:40.32 | odinsbane | can I mount drives via fstab before grub? |
| 03:41.08 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: no special options to configure needed? |
| 03:41.38 | nyk2005 | but lots of *-dev dependencies... :( |
| 03:42.03 | bullgard4 | odinsbane: No. |
| 03:42.22 | nsadmin | oh, did you apt-get source postgresql? |
| 03:42.43 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: it fails on readline. I did "aptitude install readline-dev" and it still fails. is it needed? I can deactivae it |
| 03:43.19 | nsadmin | isn"T it libreadline-dev? |
| 03:43.39 | odinsbane | I have a kernel on an external drive, can I get grub to load that? It seems like I 'just' need to mount it somewhere. |
| 03:43.51 | nyk2005 | guess I can do without |
| 03:44.25 | nsadmin | nyk2005: if you need a readline-like facility you can run psql inside emacs shell mode |
| 03:44.52 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: yes, I wont need it.. |
| 03:45.01 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: cool, it build |
| 03:45.02 | nyk2005 | s |
| 03:45.30 | nsadmin | hopefully you just need to start it long enough to dump the data |
| 03:45.39 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: "aptitude dist-downgrade" isn't possible? would be a lot quicker... |
| 03:46.14 | nsadmin | no, that doesn't exist, and the maints powwowed and said "we no downgraders" |
| 03:47.00 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: I leave for holidays tomorrow and discovered (after I tough it were just logs) that actually a very important app has it's data in the psql7.4, so I hope it will work for 2 weeks... |
| 03:47.21 | nsadmin | downgrading will -never- be supported |
| 03:47.52 | dmoerner | this is the perfect example of why downgrading is impossible to support, software that switches to non-backwards compatible formats would be terribly broken |
| 03:48.11 | nyk2005 | well ok... I understand... |
| 03:48.45 | nsadmin | so... take that to heart... and make sure you back up (1) the files of your app and (3) the database of your app |
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| 03:48.53 | nyk2005 | it would just need a script for any possible case.. |
| 03:49.11 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: yes, I should have |
| 03:49.36 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: but I just wanted a new dovecot version.. :) |
| 03:50.07 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: cool, it's installing! |
| 03:50.11 | nsadmin | nyk2005: when you consider postgres (or any db really) more closely, you'll realize it's hard to support downgrades |
| 03:51.07 | nsadmin | when you look at this fictitious "script for any possible case", you'll see :) |
| 03:53.02 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: yeah I guess... but at least for my simple standard sql it would work... it would also work in mysql probably with some replacements.. :) |
| 03:53.49 | nyk2005 | cool now just start the postmaster... can I just use nohup? |
| 03:54.19 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: or will it get independent of the console on it's own? |
| 03:54.27 | nsadmin | I would consider starting the 7.4 postmaster in foreground in screen |
| 03:54.54 | nsadmin | also, |
| 03:54.55 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: will it find the config in /etc? |
| 03:55.19 | nyk2005 | nyk2005: just move the /etc/postgresql/7.4 stuff to /etc/postgresql ? |
| 03:55.44 | nsadmin | not sure... this is a nondebian build, yes? |
| 03:56.00 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: source |
| 03:56.03 | nsadmin | and it installed into /usr/local/pgsql? |
| 03:56.46 | nsadmin | ok, exactly how did you get the source (pls remind me) |
| 03:57.13 | nsadmin | you got a 7.4 tarball from postgresql.org? |
| 03:57.14 | nyk2005 | from here http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/source/v7.4.25/ |
| 03:57.34 | nsadmin | oh ok, so it installed into /usr/local/pgsql? |
| 03:57.37 | nyk2005 | I guess it's the same /etc structure... it's also the same in gentoo |
| 03:58.16 | nsadmin | look in that dir |
| 03:59.25 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: when starting postmaster, point it to ...7.4/ or .../7.4/main/ ? |
| 03:59.50 | nsadmin | main/ |
| 04:00.04 | nyk2005 | main |
| 04:00.07 | nsadmin | you're pointing it at its data |
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| 04:00.57 | nsadmin | I think .../7.4/ and .../7.4/main/ are debian infrastructure |
| 04:01.09 | nyk2005 | argle... I got "could not create shared memory segment: No space left on device" |
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| 04:01.16 | nyk2005 | damn |
| 04:01.53 | nsadmin | I think you need that shm mount thing which I forgot the details on |
| 04:02.16 | nyk2005 | what? isn't it because it's on a VM? |
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| 04:03.02 | nsadmin | oh, that's outside the scope of my exp/knowledge |
| 04:03.27 | nsadmin | I used to play with xen where you do those mounts |
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| 04:14.48 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: solved it. |
| 04:14.55 | nyk2005 | nsadmin: now the problem is "The database cluster was initialized with HAVE_INT64_TIMESTAMP but the server was compiled without HAVE_INT64_TIMESTAMP" |
| 04:15.11 | nyk2005 | configure option? |
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| 04:20.49 | nyk2005 | how can I set this? |
| 04:24.05 | nyk2005 | or should I try an older version? |
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| 04:28.31 | nyk2005 | I guess --enable-integer-datetimes |
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| 04:36.22 | nyk2005 | HAH, it works! |
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| 04:47.55 | bacoon | Greetings |
| 04:48.09 | bacoon | I have just installed Debian Testing via netinst |
| 04:48.23 | bacoon | I have two issues: one, the GNOME Settings Daemon does not work |
| 04:48.31 | bacoon | It gives an error that it couldn't start |
| 04:48.47 | bacoon | This isn't a big issue since I'm not going to be using GNOME, probably, I'm just throwing it there :P |
| 04:49.03 | bacoon | Second, I cannot enable the contrib/non-free repos |
| 04:49.10 | bacoon | They do not show up |
| 04:49.11 | bacoon | ;_; |
| 04:49.42 | nsadmin | well if you want something much lighter than any desktop env, you could just use a window manager |
| 04:49.53 | macrobat | i have heard that the GNOME Settings Daemon does spit out a message, but that it works anyway. |
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| 04:50.11 | nsadmin | but if you want the bells whistles and doohickeys, you'll probably want one of the two (kde, gnome) |
| 04:50.26 | bacoon | It seems to be working. This had happened on my old machine with a different distro. It seems like it is working now, but it doesn't say it is. :/ |
| 04:50.39 | bacoon | nsadmin: I'm not asking about DEs |
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| 04:50.57 | macrobat | no contrib or non-free in the /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 04:51.10 | bacoon | Huh. In Synaptic it's showing contrib, non-free, etc, but when I reload it says "Could not download all repository indexes" |
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| 04:51.16 | bacoon | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages: 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 04:51.19 | bacoon | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/source/Sources: 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 04:51.39 | nsadmin | then what are you asking about? the way you say that suggests you asked about something very specific... I seem to have missed that |
| 04:52.34 | bacoon | Strange, my packages are showing up now |
| 04:52.35 | bacoon | :o |
| 04:53.02 | nsadmin | try aptitude update |
| 04:53.06 | nsadmin | if you havent' alreadyh |
| 04:53.41 | bacoon | nsadmin: it is working now. |
| 04:55.33 | stratus | My gnome the graphic interface is bugged please helpme :S |
| 04:55.35 | nsadmin | so maybe it got some indexes (hence you see some packages) but not others? check your sources.list |
| 04:56.35 | macrobat | stratus, ask! |
| 04:56.54 | keith4_ | is #debian-mips abandoned, these days? seems there's nobody there |
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| 04:57.13 | nsadmin | maybe it's on irc.debian.org |
| 04:57.23 | nsadmin | which this is not |
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| 05:01.31 | bacoon | Thanks for your help guys. |
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| 05:11.46 | stratus | please help-me |
| 05:11.47 | stratus | http://201.86.250.161:8080/errorlinux.jpg |
| 05:11.50 | stratus | this is the error |
| 05:12.33 | stratus | the buttons not working , the Gnome is bug? |
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| 05:19.14 | cantido_ | stratus: have you tried in locally and not via that remote desktop thingy? |
| 05:19.26 | richardcavell | I am on Ubuntu. I've installed a package from source. When I run Computer Janitor or other synaptic/apt-get software, it declares that my package is unneeded and should be removed. But I am using it. How do I add it to apt-get's list of packages that are being used, or tell apt-get that it's untouchable? |
| 05:20.05 | craigevil | !tell richardcavell about Ubuntu |
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| 05:21.03 | richardcavell | Jesus Christ guys a simple answer about the Debian packaging system would be more helpful than that |
| 05:22.37 | keith4_ | try #ubuntu |
| 05:22.41 | fxiny | computer janitor ? what a nane ! is this the way we're going ? |
| 05:22.45 | fxiny | ridicolous |
| 05:22.48 | richardcavell | Debian more than any other distribution suffers from what I call linux snobbery. Try to help the newbies instead of shunning them and maybe Linux will get taken seriously by the mainstream |
| 05:22.51 | fxiny | name* |
| 05:23.10 | keith4_ | richardcavell, wow! good point |
| 05:23.15 | keith4_ | never heard that one before |
| 05:23.21 | keith4_ | nsadmin, good idea |
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| 05:24.20 | fxiny | snobbery ? debian soffers of old time users pissed off by all this nonsense |
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| 05:25.18 | keith4_ | richardcavell, ubuntu suffers form what I call "lowering the bar", which lets complete idiots think they know how to use linux |
| 05:25.33 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 05:26.06 | CcSsNET | at least there not using windows anymore think positive |
| 05:26.20 | richardcavell | keith4_: that kind of comment is exactly why the mainstream are ostracised from Linux |
| 05:26.37 | richardcavell | You think Linux should be esoteric and beyond the grasp of ordinary people |
| 05:26.50 | richardcavell | And so I want to know how to fix my apt-get and you all laugh at me for using Ubuntu |
| 05:26.56 | keith4_ | i think people who use ubuntu shouldn't ever compile anything |
| 05:27.01 | richardcavell | And you wonder why you have 1% market share |
| 05:27.24 | keith4_ | this is getting old. take your high horse over to #ubuntu |
| 05:27.48 | keith4_ | nsadmin, both #mips and #debian-mips on irc.debian.org are empty, too. oh well |
| 05:27.51 | CcSsNET | waves at the elitists |
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| 05:28.27 | simonrvn | ffs, another cluebie thinking he's got the answer to everything |
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| 05:28.57 | CcSsNET | u spoke as well so that goes for you also simonrvn |
| 05:28.59 | keith4_ | simonrvn, if only debian users were nicer... maybe the entire world would start using linux next week |
| 05:29.52 | CcSsNET | feel free to ask me anything via Private Message in relation to debian or any other distro |
| 05:30.36 | richardcavell | Thanks, man. I put in a lot of time on #ubuntu and other channels helping others out. |
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| 05:31.01 | macrobat | computer janitor? :) what a mental image :) |
| 05:31.09 | rain_ | richardcavell: at the risk of drawing the ire of the entire channel, I apologize for them, it's an attitudet that has started to cause potentially good devs going to ubuntu instead, you can msg me too if you need help, or we talk in #ubuntu |
| 05:31.29 | cantido_ | thought linux was a kernel.. |
| 05:31.58 | macrobat | om going to check hurd on popcon |
| 05:32.06 | rain_ | s/attitedet/attitude/ |
| 05:32.06 | rain_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.25 | Spaceghost | hi |
| 05:33.31 | cantido_ | macrobat: still, when people bleat about linux being elitest or whatever you know they're talking out their rear.. there is no magic "linux" that people can install |
| 05:33.36 | simonrvn | CcSsNET: what? |
| 05:33.38 | Spaceghost | what is the bot that log all? |
| 05:33.44 | Spaceghost | here? |
| 05:33.48 | simonrvn | Spaceghost: /topic |
| 05:34.00 | Spaceghost | I see |
| 05:34.01 | macrobat | 7 ppl have hurd installed or did i read the chart wrong? |
| 05:34.12 | Spaceghost | but my question is what is the user that do that |
| 05:34.24 | Spaceghost | I am interesting in a bot for logger |
| 05:34.34 | macrobat | graph suggest 35 ppl at most in 2007 |
| 05:34.58 | cantido | macrobat: what about kfreebsd? |
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| 05:35.29 | macrobat | oh, i havent hurd about that one |
| 05:35.38 | cantido | there's that nexta thing too |
| 05:36.16 | Spaceghost | debhelper, |
| 05:36.22 | Spaceghost | is that? |
| 05:36.24 | macrobat | i was about installing nexenta, but it couldnt read partitions, it wanted the whole drive |
| 05:36.33 | Spaceghost | !help |
| 05:36.33 | Spaceghost | @help |
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| 05:37.38 | Spaceghost | purplepenguins, |
| 05:37.42 | simonrvn | Spaceghost: why does it matter which bot is the logger bot? |
| 05:38.10 | Spaceghost | for see if I can invite him to a channel |
| 05:39.45 | cantido | Does greylisting have a markable impact on spam? Still got users getting a few mails a day :\ |
| 05:39.56 | purplepenguins | what? |
| 05:40.00 | simonrvn | um, i very much you can. and why would you use someone else's bot to do that? use your own damned bot. |
| 05:40.12 | simonrvn | very much doubt* |
| 05:40.48 | purplepenguins | why was i summoned.. |
| 05:40.50 | tamizh_geek | Hi, I am using debian lenny. In the middle i dual booted with ubuntu,for that repartitioned the disks. Now i deleted that and merged the partitions. The partition numbers are changed. Now whenever i do a kernel upgrade, the the boot parameters are automatically changed to previous partition numbers. why? |
| 05:42.23 | simonrvn | purplepenguins: because someone else was trying to use someone else's resources/bot, without doing work themselves. |
| 05:42.31 | tamizh_geek | can anyone help me? |
| 05:42.32 | macrobat | i think there is an option for that in menu.lst, tamizh_geek |
| 05:42.51 | Spaceghost | I can invite the bot? |
| 05:42.58 | Spaceghost | someone know that? |
| 05:43.08 | fxiny | tamizh_geek: are the poartition number correect ? |
| 05:43.27 | tamizh_geek | Yeah, i am have changed that, still whenever there is a kernel upgrade menu.lst is automatically changed!! |
| 05:43.54 | macrobat | i have# groot=(hd1,0) |
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| 05:44.04 | tamizh_geek | I mean the partition numbers are changed to the previous ones which i had before merging. |
| 05:44.13 | simonrvn | Spaceghost: if it's the bot i'm thinking of, i don't think so. ask TimRiker |
| 05:44.24 | macrobat | tamizh_geek: you dont edit in the debian automagik kernel list |
| 05:44.44 | tamizh_geek | I do edit that. |
| 05:44.46 | macrobat | you edit what is in the # lines |
| 05:45.05 | tamizh_geek | No no. I edit the uncommented lines. |
| 05:45.21 | tamizh_geek | Its remains ok till my next kernel upgrade. |
| 05:45.23 | macrobat | grub reads the single commented lines, those are tthe oners you should edit |
| 05:45.36 | tamizh_geek | only after the kernel upgrade the shit happens. |
| 05:45.45 | macrobat | update-grub reads it, i mean |
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| 05:46.09 | macrobat | leave the uncommented lines unedited |
| 05:46.26 | tamizh_geek | Oh. so i have to change the parameters in commented lines?? |
| 05:46.35 | macrobat | look in the ## lines for examples and edit the # line under them |
| 05:46.40 | macrobat | yes |
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| 05:47.02 | tamizh_geek | macrobat, thank you :-) |
| 05:47.43 | macrobat | if you have entries below the automagick list. those are not touched by update-grub |
| 05:49.35 | tamizh_geek | But the boot menu shows the only the entries in automagik list right?? |
| 05:49.57 | macrobat | it shows everything |
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| 05:50.18 | macrobat | if its not showing up, try to scroll down |
| 05:50.46 | tamizh_geek | Sorry, not the automagik list. My grub menu shows only the entries below it. |
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| 05:51.31 | macrobat | maybe the line after "# Pretty colours" has bad colors? |
| 05:51.59 | macrobat | do you have a "### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" line? |
| 05:52.39 | tamizh_geek | I just have ## ## End Default Options ## line :) |
| 05:53.14 | macrobat | you have over-edited :) |
| 05:53.34 | macrobat | put the line i gave you in your menu.lst |
| 05:53.41 | tamizh_geek | OMFG!! |
| 05:53.45 | tamizh_geek | but where?? |
| 05:54.20 | macrobat | last, or before windows entries or other linux partition entries |
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| 05:54.36 | macrobat | i mean other linux entries |
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| 05:55.02 | tamizh_geek | macrobat, ok |
| 05:55.25 | macrobat | are you dual booting? |
| 05:55.45 | tamizh_geek | Yes with windows :( |
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| 05:56.18 | macrobat | it should be above the windows stanza, then :) |
| 05:56.40 | tamizh_geek | macrobat, thanks buddy :D |
| 05:56.56 | macrobat | yw |
| 05:57.03 | tamizh_geek | macrobat, are you in #archlinux?? |
| 05:57.26 | macrobat | yes, thats me, but im on a debian box right now |
| 05:59.19 | cantido | macrobat: cheating on debian? ;_; |
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| 06:00.32 | macrobat | yes, cantido, dpkg thinks it's more intelligent than I |
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| 06:02.23 | tamizh_geek | macrobat, I have these debian entries also in my menu.lst. http://paste.debian.net/43704 |
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| 06:04.51 | macrobat | you have atleast 12 partitions, tamizh_geek ? |
| 06:05.53 | tamizh_geek | he he. At first i had. |
| 06:06.10 | tamizh_geek | But now am satisfied with seven partitions. |
| 06:06.24 | tamizh_geek | But the problem is there. |
| 06:06.25 | wino | ... out of curiosity, why so many? |
| 06:06.27 | cantido | prefers lvm |
| 06:06.51 | wino | is an OpenBSD user, leering at linux and thinking of going with Debian when linux is needed |
| 06:06.53 | tamizh_geek | I had some 4 operating systems on my PC once. |
| 06:06.59 | wino | ohhh |
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| 06:07.05 | macrobat | cantido, do you have a /boot partition outside of lvm? |
| 06:07.14 | cantido | macrobat: no, I have an EFI partition |
| 06:07.27 | simonrvn | wino: you won't go wrong, IMO |
| 06:07.40 | macrobat | so efi can boot stuff inside lvm? |
| 06:07.41 | cantido | lilo can also load kernels from inside LVM |
| 06:07.47 | cantido | macrobat: grub-efi can |
| 06:07.55 | macrobat | can grub2 do the job? |
| 06:08.01 | wino | Most of my linux experience is Slackware (years and years ago) and most recently RHE/CentOS |
| 06:08.06 | cantido | macrobat: or you can install an MBR-style loader on the EFI partition |
| 06:08.32 | cantido | macrobat: grub2 can load kernels from lvm volumes |
| 06:08.44 | cantido | macrobat: you just need that module in your core img |
| 06:09.08 | macrobat | dm-mod in initrd? |
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| 06:09.28 | macrobat | initrd.img i mean |
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| 06:10.15 | cantido | macrobat: you need the grub module to access LVM volumes to load the initramfs/kernel from there, and then your initramfs needs to be able to acces lvm volumes to mount and chroot into your root |
| 06:11.14 | macrobat | cantido: do you have a link? sounds complicated :) |
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| 06:11.46 | cantido | macrobat: the initramfs tools should guess what your initramfs needs.. for grub just google grub lvm |
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| 06:11.58 | cantido | macrobat: having a standard partition for boot is still a good idea though |
| 06:12.36 | macrobat | on my other machine that has lvm, i have a /boot outside lvm with archlinux and debian kernels |
| 06:13.06 | cantido | I only have grub on my efi partition, kernels come from inside the lvm :) |
| 06:13.29 | valdyn | macrobat: grub2 is probably still quite fragile, i cant recommend it |
| 06:13.49 | macrobat | is there a way to have update-grub update kernels from other partitions? |
| 06:13.53 | cantido | valdyn: grub1 is has now moved to legacy status |
| 06:14.05 | valdyn | cantido: not in debian |
| 06:14.09 | cantido | s/is// |
| 06:14.13 | cantido | valdyn: has in sid |
| 06:14.17 | macrobat | now i manually symlink new kernels and initrds |
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| 06:14.44 | bullgard4 | '~$ which debian-reference' does not produce any output. How to display the contents of this document? |
| 06:14.55 | valdyn | cantido: thats package naming, not status as far as i can see |
| 06:15.16 | macrobat | i used grub2 a short while, i couldnt figure out how it worked and it was very much lacking in doklumentation |
| 06:15.43 | valdyn | bullgard4: dpkg -L debian-reference |
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| 06:16.58 | cantido | *shrugs* all the messages from debconf suggested grub1 is on it's way out |
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| 06:17.44 | valdyn | cantido: sure its on its way, but that doesnt mean its already rock solid |
| 06:17.48 | macrobat | maybe the grub2 ppl have coded all summer long |
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| 06:18.06 | cantido | lilo's hardly rock solid either :P |
| 06:18.13 | hyperion__ | hi I have intel graphics and when I run glxinfo i get rendering no |
| 06:18.28 | cantido | hyperion__: check your xorg.log... |
| 06:18.42 | valdyn | hyperion__: be precise in your messages |
| 06:18.51 | cantido | hyperion__: if you have a massive display you might find that hardware rending is disabled |
| 06:20.20 | bullgard4 | valdyn: Synaptic describes the DEB program package 'debian-reference' as a "metapackage to install (all) translations of Debian Reference". It is not my intention to install all translations of Debian Reference. Why do you suggest me to install the DEB program package 'debian-reference' anyway? |
| 06:20.30 | valdyn | hyperion__: find the video driver you are using: "grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log" might tell you |
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| 06:20.54 | valdyn | bullgard4: i didnt suggest you install it |
| 06:21.03 | valdyn | bullgard4: i just assumed you had it already installed |
| 06:21.34 | valdyn | bullgard4: debian-reference is a package, its not a program. |
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| 06:22.29 | hyperion__ | valdyn: im using the intel driver and there were no errors except changing tiled to untiled textures |
| 06:22.51 | valdyn | hyperion__: aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 06:22.51 | Hobbes` | Having some weird unicode issues with xterm http://kingsly.net/tmp/xterm.gif.gz |
| 06:22.54 | macrobat | a propos such packages, how can i acces and read aptitude-doc-en? |
| 06:23.18 | valdyn | macrobat: likely with a webbrowser |
| 06:23.36 | Hobbes` | but works fine with pterm(putty-term) http://kingsly.net/tmp/pterm.gif.gz |
| 06:23.42 | valdyn | macrobat: read the docs about your package at /usr/share/doc/<packagename> or list its contents with dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 06:24.05 | hyperion__ | valdyn AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
| 06:24.07 | Hobbes` | anyone pointers on what needs to be change to make it work right in xterm ? |
| 06:24.39 | valdyn | hyperion__: have you run the command i told you? |
| 06:24.45 | cantido | Hobbes`: could you not upload something that we can just via in our browsers? |
| 06:24.47 | hyperion__ | valdyn: doing that now |
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| 06:26.32 | Hobbes` | cantido http://kingsly.net/tmp/xterm.gif and http://kingsly.net/tmp/pterm.gif |
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| 06:27.17 | hyperion__ | valdyn: thanks alot! |
| 06:28.06 | valdyn | Hobbes`: funny, this doesnt look like debian at all |
| 06:28.15 | Hobbes` | valdyn ?? |
| 06:28.39 | cantido | Hobbes`: Do utf chars work in the shell or is it just mutt? |
| 06:28.54 | valdyn | Hobbes`: your remote locale and your local locale are not the same |
| 06:29.09 | valdyn | Hobbes`: they need to match though |
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| 06:29.44 | Hobbes` | valdyn LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 06:29.51 | Hobbes` | i have that on both boxes |
| 06:30.04 | valdyn | Hobbes`: ok, now do you have the fonts installed? |
| 06:30.41 | Hobbes` | nope.. but i don't want to see the characters |
| 06:30.50 | Hobbes` | i just don't wnat the screen corruption |
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| 06:31.18 | macrobat | valdyn: ls /usr/share/doc/aptitude-doc-en gives changelog.Debian.gz changelog.gz copyright |
| 06:31.21 | valdyn | Hobbes`: the screen corruption is an error in mutt i think |
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| 06:31.38 | Hobbes` | valdyn nope .. check the pterm.gif .. it works fine |
| 06:31.48 | macrobat | valdyn: there is nothing valuable to read there |
| 06:31.59 | Hobbes` | and it works fine if i export an xterm from the remote machine and run mutt in it |
| 06:32.00 | valdyn | Hobbes`: i get that with spam mails, it has nothing to do with utf-8 support |
| 06:32.20 | valdyn | Hobbes`: your pterm is replacing thost characters with dots |
| 06:32.20 | Hobbes` | valdyn this isn't spam .. it's a unicode issue |
| 06:32.47 | Hobbes` | basically it happens when there are "half-characters" |
| 06:33.11 | Hobbes` | not sure what the correct unicode term is |
| 06:33.17 | macrobat | nvm, i found stuff in /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 06:33.21 | valdyn | Hobbes`: doublt characters |
| 06:33.24 | valdyn | Hobbes`: xterm -u |
| 06:33.46 | Hobbes` | a half character is added to the prev. character .. but xterm seems to treat it as a independent character |
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| 06:34.00 | valdyn | Hobbes`: yea |
| 06:34.00 | Hobbes` | and so the output goes beyond 80 characters in the terminal |
| 06:34.09 | Hobbes` | and rolls over into the next line |
| 06:34.32 | valdyn | damn, i thought it was xterm -u, its not |
| 06:34.52 | Hobbes` | nope i've tried xterm - u .. i've tried screen -U etc |
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| 06:35.40 | valdyn | Hobbes`: xterm -u8 |
| 06:35.54 | Hobbes` | i need to keep doing ctrl-L to refresh the screen |
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| 06:36.33 | Hobbes` | valdyn yes.. -u8 i even tried luit ssh |
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| 06:37.38 | valdyn | Hobbes`: this is all in screen right? |
| 06:37.44 | Hobbes` | considering the remote xterm (centos) is able to display it right and the debian version doesn't |
| 06:37.58 | valdyn | Hobbes`: i dont think its xterm |
| 06:38.02 | Hobbes` | I think it's some configuration option in debian |
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| 06:38.28 | valdyn | Hobbes`: it should be screen running undera different locale than your terminal |
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| 06:38.47 | Hobbes` | valdyn it's all en_US.UTF-8 afaik |
| 06:38.59 | Hobbes` | i even started screen with the -U option |
| 06:39.07 | valdyn | Hobbes`: thats not required |
| 06:39.47 | Hobbes` | xterm (centos) + screen + mutt = works fine |
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| 06:40.01 | Hobbes` | xterm (debian) + ssh + screen + mutt = corruption |
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| 06:40.27 | valdyn | Hobbes`: debians xterm supports utf-8 by default |
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| 06:40.49 | valdyn | Hobbes`: im not seeing either which component is mangling the characters |
| 06:41.07 | valdyn | Hobbes`: $TERM maybe |
| 06:41.21 | Hobbes` | $TERM is set to xterm |
| 06:41.37 | xingu | valdyn, Hobbes`: or perhaps your fontset under debian has no unicode glyphs |
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| 06:42.18 | Hobbes` | xingu that would only matter if i actually want to see the characters no ? |
| 06:42.58 | valdyn | xingu: thing is that his pterm is replacing the unicode characters with dots, and xterm has a similar feature, using a box by default |
| 06:44.15 | Hobbes` | this is weird .. if i run it without screen it works fine in xterm |
| 06:44.29 | valdyn | Hobbes`: yes, thats the behaviour i know |
| 06:44.42 | valdyn | Hobbes`: different locales. Maybe something else too |
| 06:45.20 | Hobbes` | screen doesn't seem to have too many unicode options |
| 06:45.35 | valdyn | Hobbes`: you dont need to explicitely enable unicode |
| 06:45.57 | Hobbes` | i've tried both .. in enabled it only after i faced this issue |
| 06:46.06 | Hobbes` | s/in/I/ |
| 06:46.19 | xingu | screen's -U option must be used when starting a new session only (ie not reattaching) - is that a factor? |
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| 06:46.33 | valdyn | it doesnt have to be used at all |
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| 06:47.09 | valdyn | i think its some terminal settings, to bad i dont know a think about these |
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| 06:47.31 | valdyn | where he started the screen on a terminal which now breaks xterm |
| 06:47.38 | Hobbes` | once i launch screen.. the $TERM changes to "screen" |
| 06:47.56 | valdyn | Hobbes`: what if you initiate the screen from that xterm? |
| 06:48.11 | Hobbes` | valdyn same result |
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| 06:52.36 | diddy | Why isn't ntp installed by default? |
| 06:52.51 | diddy | How can the system get the time? |
| 06:53.43 | Hobbes` | diddy from the hardware clock |
| 06:53.57 | diddy | Hobbes`, OK |
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| 06:54.33 | mphill | I am seeing about 40K/s on a 15mbps connection with Debian if I use wget, apt-get * or any other network functions. It takes a few hours during the installer becuse its so slow. The system is a new core 2 with 4 gigs of ram. The issue happens on testing and stable. The motherboard is an nvidia chipset.... not sure if that might be the reason for the horrible network speeds. any idea? |
| 06:54.56 | Hobbes` | mphill tried a different mirror ? |
| 06:55.40 | mphill | Hobbes`: yes, i even tried to to wget a freebsd iso it, 40k/s, and then on my ubuntu box, it was like 700 k/s |
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| 06:55.46 | Hobbes` | if it's all network traffic .. try transferring a file on the local network |
| 06:56.14 | diddy | What is meant by delay, offset and jitter? delay is the time it takes for the udp packet to travel. How about the other two? |
| 06:56.59 | rozie | mphill: is it copper connection? |
| 06:57.12 | rozie | check if there are errors on iface |
| 06:57.41 | rozie | try also another mirror |
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| 06:59.20 | xingu | diddy: offset is the difference between the two system clocks; jitter is the variation in delay over some measurement interval |
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| 07:00.13 | diddy | xingu: But why is there an offset? |
| 07:00.17 | Hobbes` | heya mick_laptop |
| 07:00.35 | diddy | xingu, after synchronizing |
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| 07:00.58 | mick_laptop | hi Hobbes` |
| 07:01.27 | xingu | diddy: ntp can only synchronise to roughly tens of milliseconds |
| 07:01.45 | diddy | xingu, ok Thx |
| 07:01.54 | xingu | diddy: iotw there's always offset, the question is whether or not it's inside your error tolerance |
| 07:02.13 | diddy | xingu, IC |
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| 07:03.22 | diddy | But when setting my local time my local ntpd will add the offset to the timestamp it received, right? |
| 07:03.53 | diddy | No sorry, I mean the delay. |
| 07:04.06 | xingu | diddy: it calculates offset; this calculation drives how the pll is programmed |
| 07:04.18 | Supaplex | markybob: 01:08:30 up 473 days, 10:00, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.02, 0.00 |
| 07:04.48 | xingu | diddy: delay too, and dispersion |
| 07:04.52 | wino | Supaplex: What does that machine do? |
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| 07:05.04 | diddy | xingu, Thx |
| 07:05.05 | Supaplex | my desktop |
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| 07:06.58 | fxiny | Supaplex: hello ! :) |
| 07:07.09 | Supaplex | greetings |
| 07:09.49 | Maleko | howcome i can attach to running 'screen' if i log in other user using su |
| 07:09.53 | Maleko | cant* |
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| 07:11.23 | diddy | What is the recommended way to add new users on Debian? useradd or adduser? |
| 07:11.24 | petemc | permissions on the tty |
| 07:11.30 | petemc | Maleko: ^^^ |
| 07:11.46 | Maleko | sorry i dont understand |
| 07:12.09 | Maleko | what settings that need to change |
| 07:12.29 | petemc | you need to make screen suid to do that |
| 07:12.44 | rozie | Maleko: can't you su to the owner of the screen? |
| 07:12.49 | petemc | or, as root, chown user `tty` ; su user ; screen -x |
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| 07:14.10 | Maleko | rozie: thats what i did..when i logged into the screen owner acc and try to attach the screen it says |
| 07:14.13 | Maleko | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
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| 07:18.35 | Maleko | petemc: so thats the solution? |
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| 07:18.56 | petemc | not really |
| 07:19.01 | petemc | its hackish |
| 07:19.21 | rozie | I think solution was described on planet.debian.org this week |
| 07:19.32 | petemc | the proper way is to use screens multiuser and acl features |
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| 07:22.05 | martian67 | planet is a cool little python script |
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| 07:22.34 | martian67 | i use it to consolidate my feeds so firefox dosent barf |
| 07:22.42 | martian67 | when attempting to load 40 feeds |
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| 07:23.41 | CcSsNET | i would love to see firefox simply remove feeds support entirly |
| 07:23.49 | CcSsNET | its big enough as-is |
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| 07:24.13 | martian67 | id love to see it actually work properly |
| 07:24.21 | martian67 | and not lock up the browser on load |
| 07:24.23 | fxiny | tryed rawdog ? |
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| 07:24.40 | martian67 | its been like that since version 2.0 |
| 07:24.50 | martian67 | yet another thing they will probly never fix |
| 07:24.50 | martian67 | ugh |
| 07:24.53 | CcSsNET | just remove it i say :D |
| 07:25.13 | CcSsNET | i got a feed reader for a reason lol |
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| 07:25.28 | martian67 | having a separate app when its not needed sucks |
| 07:25.32 | martian67 | clutters up my workspace |
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| 07:25.52 | CcSsNET | meh i like feeds to be in a tray icon |
| 07:26.01 | CcSsNET | with popups of new feeds |
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| 07:26.12 | martian67 | i have too many feeds for that |
| 07:26.16 | martian67 | it would get irritating |
| 07:26.17 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 07:26.22 | martian67 | what reader do you use CcSsNET ? |
| 07:26.25 | CcSsNET | disable the popup |
| 07:26.43 | martian67 | see i dont use feeds as notification, i use them for aggregation |
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| 07:27.19 | CcSsNET | eh last time i used one i think it was feedreader on winblows |
| 07:27.30 | CcSsNET | i should get one on here now that im thinking of it |
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| 07:31.19 | CcSsNET | http://push.cx/2006/know-a-good-linux-feed-reader |
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| 07:31.26 | CcSsNET | seems relivant |
| 07:31.36 | CcSsNET | ill check out rawdog now actually |
| 07:32.10 | CcSsNET | nice only 2 dependancies |
| 07:32.34 | CcSsNET | expat and python |
| 07:32.53 | CcSsNET | who knows what debian will install though for it |
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| 07:37.00 | CcSsNET | eh way to basic for me haha |
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| 07:47.02 | martian67 | CcSsNET, i just use firefox because its always open |
| 07:47.07 | martian67 | and i open links it in anyways |
| 07:47.11 | martian67 | so its natural and makes sense ;P |
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| 07:51.12 | CcSsNET | eh firefoxis poorly writen and slow as is i cant bog it down like that |
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| 07:51.52 | CcSsNET | i can compile xorg/fluxbox faster then firefox compiles should say alot |
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| 07:52.21 | Tiffon | nas |
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| 07:52.29 | martian67 | CcSsNET, damn lol |
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| 07:52.47 | martian67 | xorg isn going to shit |
| 07:52.54 | martian67 | so i wouldnt expect that to last :) |
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| 07:54.52 | CcSsNET | actually i think firefox is comparable to the time it takes to compile gcc with itself |
| 07:54.55 | CcSsNET | :D |
| 07:55.21 | CcSsNET | roughly 2 hours on a quad core |
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| 08:02.54 | ryx | when running update-grub in a chroot I get grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /. |
| 08:03.14 | ryx | is on an lvm. How do I regenerate my grub.cfg? |
| 08:04.16 | ryx | err, / is on the lvm |
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| 08:06.10 | CcSsNET | u might have forgot to mount -o bind /dev/drive /chroot/dev/drive ?? |
| 08:06.26 | CcSsNET | not sure exactly |
| 08:06.36 | CcSsNET | you do that prior entering the chroot |
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| 08:15.22 | ryx | CcSsNET: ah, thanks! Never thought of bind-mounting /dev |
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| 08:21.11 | ryx | still a shame that the grub-update from testing screwed up grub |
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| 08:31.17 | fxiny | goes to well |
| 08:31.19 | fxiny | oops |
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| 08:42.47 | eshaase | i want to execute a shell script using ksh on one system while using bash on another system, is this possible using a shebagn? |
| 08:43.02 | martian67_ | no |
| 08:43.12 | martian67_ | just write it in sh |
| 08:43.16 | martian67_ | both can use sj |
| 08:43.18 | martian67_ | both can use sh commands |
| 08:43.56 | eshaase | that was my intention but i want to use adavanced features like $RANDOM |
| 08:44.12 | martian67_ | you can detect what shell is running |
| 08:44.20 | martian67_ | bash and ksh share many features however |
| 08:45.01 | eshaase | martian67_: how would i do that using a shebang? |
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| 08:45.19 | martian67_ | you cant using a shebang |
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| 08:45.26 | eshaase | is there a way to execute a shell script using the current shell? |
| 08:45.34 | martian67_ | dont place a shebang |
| 08:45.36 | martian67_ | and set it to +x |
| 08:45.42 | martian67_ | it will run using the current shell |
| 08:47.43 | eshaase | great, ommitting the shebang works |
| 08:47.46 | eshaase | whats -x do? |
| 08:47.54 | eshaase | oh, you mean execute |
| 08:47.58 | eshaase | thought you meant "set -x" |
| 08:48.01 | eshaase | perfect, thanks! |
| 08:48.13 | martian67_ | no |
| 08:48.15 | martian67_ | lol :P |
| 08:48.22 | martian67_ | yea, good luck |
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| 08:51.24 | bajiya | after installing solaris debian does not work |
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| 09:00.16 | tawan | bajiya, not boot how? what error? |
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| 09:03.14 | rgr | I compiled the nvidia driver from unstable using m-a (the debian way) but how do I ensure the correct nvidia module is modprobed? When I restarted x it said the 173 module was in the kernel despite me following the "official" instructions. Dod I need to specifiy the version when doing the modprobe? |
| 09:06.00 | rozie | rgr: modinfo |
| 09:06.16 | ryx | this is very not-fun. The latest upgrade of testing I did broke my boot process in three places so far. |
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| 09:09.11 | shoebox | my boot has been freezing in "Activating swap..." But I'm too lazy to try and find out why. =\ |
| 09:09.20 | rgr | I know. FFS. |
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| 09:09.47 | rgr | rozie: modinfo? |
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| 09:11.58 | Tapout | shoebox, had similar issues with boot freezing.. related to having data=writeback in /etc/fstab ? |
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| 09:12.23 | rgr | how to tell version of module installed? |
| 09:13.02 | klaas | hey, I got a problem with initramfs - I can't seem to get networking (with dhcp) to work - I keep getting the error message that network is still down but I know that my net drivers are in initramfs; it should work premount of root filesystem |
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| 09:14.58 | shoebox | Tapout: no, there's nothing like that here. |
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| 09:27.55 | rgr | sheesh. Not one of the howtos said I needed to modprobe -r the old module first for the installation of nvidia from unstable. |
| 09:28.02 | rgr | oh well, works now. |
| 09:29.08 | shoebox | then it was a hownotto. Ha-ha! |
| 09:29.12 | shoebox | sorry.. |
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| 09:37.54 | netbook2009 | can anyone recommend me a debian based mini distro that can fit onto a 256 mb usb pen drive? |
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| 09:39.28 | action09 | oy |
| 09:39.29 | netbook2009 | the mini distro is going to be used on a netbook, so it must address display and wireless issues |
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| 09:42.13 | cahoot | netbook2009: already discarded this? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Live |
| 09:42.46 | netbook2009 | i do not have an eepc netbook |
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| 09:47.16 | g00se | !tell netbook2009 about dsl |
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| 09:49.13 | netbook2009 | please, i only want answers from people who have personal experience of running a live usb distro that can fit onto a 256 mb usb flash drive on different netbooks |
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| 09:51.31 | g00se | netbook: plain Debian: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/daily-builds/current/i386/usb-hdd/debian-live-sid-i386-standard.img |
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| 10:00.22 | daemon | netbook2009, I have experiance, just not with debian. |
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| 10:01.55 | xingu | ok my brain's kaput can someone suggest a search/replace regex that replaces every single char with \ (literal) followed by char? hello -> \h\e\l\l\o |
| 10:02.45 | netbook2009 | daemon, which live usb distros did you go for? did you use a 256 mb pen drive??? |
| 10:03.23 | kraut | moin |
| 10:03.28 | netbook2009 | how many netbook models did you try the best one on? |
| 10:04.14 | g00se | netbook2009: I have experience too - *with* Debian. Your size spec is too small for comfort |
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| 10:05.06 | xand | use a bigger flash drive |
| 10:05.11 | daemon | netbook2009, customized freebsd |
| 10:05.37 | daemon | but to customize, it would work with linux. I have an eeepc SSD, so what I did was create a malloc memory space for /tmp and /var |
| 10:05.52 | daemon | and sync them to a hard disk image on shutdown or at a set interval when idle |
| 10:06.32 | liable | netbook2009: 256 is a bit small to try a lot of live distros on |
| 10:06.33 | daemon | disabled syslogd and sendmail, works pretty well |
| 10:07.03 | ajavid | man |
| 10:07.04 | ajavid | its 5am |
| 10:07.18 | netbook2009 | daemon, that sounds too complicated for a gnu/linux newbie |
| 10:08.05 | daemon | ajavid, its always 5am, when you notice that the sun is coming through the tiny bit of window the clinds/curtains dont cover and reflecting off you're terminal ;) |
| 10:08.26 | daemon | netbook2009, then get a bigger pen drive, 256 is tiny and you can get much bigger than that for pennies now days |
| 10:08.26 | xingu | aah there we go, s/./\\&/g |
| 10:09.06 | ajavid | hehe |
| 10:09.23 | ajavid | daemon, 2 walls in my room are made entirely of glass... almost |
| 10:09.37 | daemon | ajavid, ouch I bet that is a pain in the ass :) |
| 10:09.39 | ajavid | daemon, I wake up every morning to a beautiful sun filled room, nice |
| 10:09.53 | macrobat | a greenhouse :) |
| 10:09.55 | ajavid | nah, labor is cheap is louisiana |
| 10:10.12 | daemon | ah im a little more vampiric, I wake up and swear at the sun light and stumble around blindly looking for my cup to go make a coffee |
| 10:10.34 | ajavid | oh I thought you meant for cleaning those two huge sliding glass door/wals |
| 10:11.15 | netbook2009 | i have to make the best of what i have. so buying a biggerusb pen drive is out of the question |
| 10:11.19 | daemon | :) I bet that is also a pain, especially if like me you hate any form of dirt on any item that is see through |
| 10:11.22 | g00se | has just bought a 4GB disk specially for Debian Live. Unfortunately the postage was almost as much as the (low) cost of the stick |
| 10:11.43 | ajavid | daemon, I hate coffee, I wake up every morning and drink a banana milkshake. Take 1 banana, throw in blender, with some milk, ice cubes, protien powder, and some soluble fiber powder (the non tasty non thickening kind) |
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| 10:11.55 | daemon | netbook2009, I think if I recall correctly there is a linux distro especially made for cd/dvd and small usb pens |
| 10:11.59 | ajavid | daemon, delicious, instant energy boost, and great for your stomach right after you wake up |
| 10:12.11 | ajavid | g00se, why 4? |
| 10:12.29 | ajavid | g00se, newegg has like 16gb flash for like 16$+shipping |
| 10:12.34 | ajavid | its like 20$ tops |
| 10:12.39 | daemon | is it yellow dog linux or something like that? |
| 10:12.53 | ajavid | yellow dog is for macs I think |
| 10:12.58 | ajavid | you mean dsl |
| 10:13.00 | ajavid | !dsl |
| 10:13.00 | daemon | ah maybe not, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ |
| 10:13.00 | dpkg | dsl is probably Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux on irc.freenode.net (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 10:13.06 | ajavid | damn small linux |
| 10:13.10 | daemon | thats the one |
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| 10:13.33 | daemon | that makes me think though |
| 10:13.40 | daemon | netbook2009, does it have to be usb, cant you use dvd? |
| 10:13.54 | daemon | you could use a live dvd os, and just write changes to the pen drive |
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| 10:14.09 | ajavid | !wayttd netbook2009 |
| 10:14.09 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, netbook2009? |
| 10:14.14 | omid8bimo | how can i check "history" with logged in tty/pts or ip or localhost? |
| 10:14.27 | ajavid | monstah, type history |
| 10:14.31 | netbook2009 | the netbook does not have a dvd or cd internal or external |
| 10:14.32 | ajavid | omid8bimo, history |
| 10:14.38 | nick4 | what is the httpd.conf option to tell Apache not to disable the list of files in a http directory? I mean without placing an empty index.html in that directory |
| 10:14.51 | ajavid | omid8bimo, there is always ~/.bash_history (for bash) |
| 10:14.55 | omid8bimo | ajavid: i know that |
| 10:15.02 | ajavid | nick4, indexing |
| 10:15.08 | ajavid | nick4, fancyindexing etc. |
| 10:15.20 | ajavid | nick4, look at apache docs, its mod_index I think |
| 10:15.23 | omid8bimo | ajavid: i want more info other then just the command |
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| 10:15.32 | netbook2009 | i want to run a live usb mini distro off a 256 mb usb pen drive. i do not want to install it on the hard disk |
| 10:15.37 | ajavid | omid8bimo, man history ? |
| 10:15.39 | daemon | omid8bimo, man history |
| 10:15.56 | netbook2009 | dpkg, that was my answer |
| 10:15.56 | dpkg | netbook2009: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 10:16.11 | daemon | netbook2009, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
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| 10:16.30 | liable | netbook2009: so go google it. why are you asking #debian about it? |
| 10:17.16 | netbook2009 | i googled it and could not find a suitable one for my netbook |
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| 10:17.38 | ajavid | netbook2009, debian is not for you, go to ##linux |
| 10:17.54 | omid8bimo | daemon: says no args to use |
| 10:17.54 | ajavid | !mmhr |
| 10:17.54 | dpkg | it has been said that mmhr is Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 5.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 10:18.04 | ajavid | we do not have a debian that fits your requirements |
| 10:18.18 | ajavid | if you want debian based, look at damn small linux |
| 10:18.30 | daemon | omid8bimo, 'man history' says no args to use?, have you got man installed |
| 10:18.44 | netbook2009 | ajavid, you are quite wrong. debian gnu/linux is indeed for me. i am running it now but not on my netbook |
| 10:18.58 | ajavid | how thick are you? |
| 10:19.09 | BenBE | I wanted to install Xen on my computer and installed the proper Kernel images (apt-get install xen-hypervisor-3.2-1 xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 xen-utils). The kernel image vmlinuz-*-xen-amd64 and initrd-*-xen-amd64 is present, but GRUB tells me "unknown Format" for the XEN image; the normal kernel boots. |
| 10:19.40 | BenBE | The normal kernel is detected as Linux kernel by file; the Xen Kernel file is detected as GZip data with maximum compression. |
| 10:19.47 | BenBE | Any hint what went wrong? |
| 10:19.52 | BenBE | (Debian testing) |
| 10:20.03 | daemon | omid8bimo, http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=history&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+5.0+lenny&format=html&locale=en |
| 10:20.59 | omid8bimo | daemon: i meant a parameter like history -x |
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| 10:21.16 | netbook2009 | people running dsl have reported several problems running that distro on their notebooks, quite a few plainly failed |
| 10:21.26 | netbook2009 | dsl |
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| 10:21.56 | ajavid | netbook2009, do you have a debian related support question? |
| 10:22.26 | g00se | ajavid: That sounds a good price |
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| 10:24.43 | netbook2009 | ajvid, how can you speed up lenny on a P133 running X? what files need tweaking? i need X and will not go without it. yes, i use light apps |
| 10:25.14 | ajavid | netbook2009, you can't. |
| 10:25.55 | g00se | netbook2009: use a very light window manager such as fluxbox |
| 10:25.57 | Emery | why you running X on a 133 ? |
| 10:26.36 | ajavid | because I asked him if he had a debian related question |
| 10:27.07 | Emery | so because you asked that he decided to use X ? |
| 10:27.17 | ajavid | that is why he asked that particular question. |
| 10:27.31 | Emery | ah i see. |
| 10:27.39 | Emery | netbook2009 CLI all the way <3 |
| 10:28.12 | netbook2009 | i am using a very light window manager, icewm and sometimes fluxbox |
| 10:28.59 | ajavid | smells a troll nearby |
| 10:29.08 | Emery | fluxbox is sexy |
| 10:29.11 | Emery | i use it |
| 10:29.16 | Emery | well it is when you tweak it |
| 10:29.18 | netbook2009 | Emery, CLI is not the newbie way |
| 10:29.25 | daemon | netbook2009, I imagine the base install od debian + X.org indeed on its own is larger than the entire space afvailible on you're pen drive. |
| 10:29.30 | daemon | without any additional applications |
| 10:29.36 | daemon | stop chasing it in here, its not happaning. |
| 10:29.43 | Emery | 133 has USB ? |
| 10:29.45 | ajavid | !mmhr |
| 10:29.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mmhr is Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 5.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 10:30.08 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.14 | ajavid | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds02.html.en -- D.2. Disk Space Needed for Tasks |
| 10:30.40 | daemon | time to take the pooch a walk, see you all shortly |
| 10:30.52 | netbook2009 | i am running debian gnu/linux lenny on a Pentium 133 Mhz machine and it works ok. The machine does not have usb ports |
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| 10:31.06 | Emery | netbook2009 i didn't think it would |
| 10:31.19 | Emery | debian base, xorg + flux ... takes up next to no space |
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| 10:31.33 | netbook2009 | exactly! |
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| 10:31.48 | Emery | i have it on a 933mhz, 10GB H/D |
| 10:31.57 | ajavid | A standard installation for the i386 architecture, including all standard packages and using the default 2.6 kernel, takes up 397MB of disk space. A minimal base installation, without the âStandard systemâ task selected, will take 250MB. |
| 10:32.05 | g00se | ajavid: Must say i can't see this 16 for 16 deal |
| 10:32.33 | ajavid | sale must be over |
| 10:32.57 | nick4 | ajavid okey, I just fixed it :) |
| 10:33.04 | ajavid | cool |
| 10:33.52 | ajavid | nick4, dont forget to restart apache |
| 10:34.11 | nick4 | yes ajavid :D |
| 10:34.17 | netbook2009 | i do not want to install anything on the netbook hard disk, i just want to run a live usb debian based distro that can fit onto a 256mb pen drive on my netbook |
| 10:35.07 | g00se | Emery: Except it takes up over twice as much space as s/he has ... |
| 10:35.09 | Emery | you'll be lucky |
| 10:35.14 | rozie | netbook2009: knoppix (new one) allows for installation on USB, but haven't tested in on less then 1 GB |
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| 10:35.33 | Emery | smallest i've had on USB is Fedora .. like 700mb |
| 10:35.33 | rozie | pendrives are cheap those days... |
| 10:35.45 | ajavid | these* |
| 10:35.48 | g00se | Debian live allows persistence |
| 10:35.51 | Emery | i paid £8 for a 4GB pendrive |
| 10:36.21 | rozie | and there are/were places where you can get free 2 GB pendrive |
| 10:36.26 | rozie | (sun for sure) |
| 10:36.32 | enveezee | can someone point me in the right direction on doing MTA stuff? I got a pop3 daemon running but I'm lost on how to get mail from the intarwebs and do all the mx record stuff |
| 10:36.40 | g00se | Emery: That's not too bad. I paid a little less from dabs.com |
| 10:36.43 | Emery | MTA ? |
| 10:36.51 | ajavid | !ot |
| 10:36.52 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 10:36.59 | Emery | g00se still can't complain at £8 |
| 10:38.06 | Emery | enveezee i havn't a clue what MTA is |
| 10:38.08 | liable | enveezee: theres a good article on workabout.com? for running postfix. |
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| 10:38.32 | xand | use exim as that's what debian comes with. |
| 10:38.33 | netbook2009 | i have to make the best of what i have. so buying a bigger usb pen drive is out of the question |
| 10:38.43 | enveezee | I have exim installed |
| 10:38.45 | liable | mx record is fairly straight forward, depend on your domain providor though |
| 10:38.50 | ajavid | enveezee, oy |
| 10:38.52 | Emery | netbook2009 then forget it |
| 10:38.54 | enveezee | go daddy |
| 10:38.56 | Emery | oh wait. |
| 10:39.02 | enveezee | is the domain provider |
| 10:39.05 | Emery | netbook2009 have you looked at damn small linux ? |
| 10:39.14 | enveezee | I don't have the domain yet, its being transferred to me |
| 10:39.22 | liable | exims config blows imo |
| 10:39.26 | ajavid | enveezee, godaddy what? |
| 10:39.31 | enveezee | I'm just not sure exactly how to get the mail into the mailboxes |
| 10:39.35 | ajavid | enveezee, deluxe oor economy? |
| 10:39.38 | enveezee | the pop server is ready to go |
| 10:39.47 | enveezee | I have no idea |
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| 10:40.10 | ajavid | delux allws shell access on shared hosting |
| 10:40.12 | ajavid | mail too |
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| 10:40.31 | enveezee | I see |
| 10:40.43 | enveezee | well handing the mail off server would be nice |
| 10:40.54 | ajavid | enveezee, what are you doing on debian at 5:40am? |
| 10:40.57 | enveezee | cause trying to run the mail and web on the same machine is complicated |
| 10:41.06 | enveezee | its 6:40am for one thing |
| 10:41.09 | ajavid | oh yeah |
| 10:41.14 | ajavid | you're way over there |
| 10:41.25 | enveezee | and I'm actually on winxp on my new netbook at the moment |
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| 10:41.36 | enveezee | I'm ssh'd into a debian server though |
| 10:41.39 | ajavid | word |
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| 10:41.58 | ajavid | hows work etc? |
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| 10:42.26 | enveezee | idk I'm thinking of staying the fuck away from web development |
| 10:42.33 | ajavid | heh |
| 10:42.36 | enveezee | sounds like a good idea |
| 10:42.45 | ajavid | keep roofin man |
| 10:42.55 | enveezee | just started a 7u townhouse |
| 10:42.58 | ajavid | thats good enjoyable work, if it doesn't rain all the fuckin time |
| 10:43.09 | ajavid | word |
| 10:43.13 | enveezee | will be laying down the floor and ready to start walls monday |
| 10:43.28 | ajavid | enveezee, let me ask you |
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| 10:43.49 | ajavid | enveezee, when you go in on monday and you're not feeling so well, does anyone say to you, "someone's got a case of the mondays?" ;) |
| 10:43.56 | netbook2009 | there is also the possibility of getting a 2GB sd card, then i do not think i would have much problems running a live netbook distro off an sd card, right? |
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| 10:44.21 | Emery | enveezee i've seen alot of PHP/SQL jobs seems like the place to be.. |
| 10:44.22 | liable | netbook2009: no, if your bios will boot from it, it should be fine |
| 10:44.23 | enveezee | ajavid: nope |
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| 10:44.38 | ajavid | enveezee, office space, hint hint |
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| 10:44.57 | enveezee | Emery: ew.. I will be doing some php/sql in the future but not my fav thing to do |
| 10:45.03 | ajavid | screw php |
| 10:45.06 | ajavid | python man |
| 10:45.07 | netbook2009 | liable, thanks |
| 10:45.22 | Emery | well it seems that's where most of the I.T work is =/ |
| 10:45.25 | netbook2009 | i will check my bios |
| 10:45.50 | Emery | i was thinking of learning some PHP |
| 10:45.50 | unomi | .Net and php is the mainstay of most 'consumer' it webwork |
| 10:45.53 | enveezee | I'm moving my business towards virtual economies |
| 10:46.01 | ajavid | enveezee, http://swoopo.podzone.org:8181/ |
| 10:46.04 | unomi | 2 bowls of $h1t |
| 10:46.06 | runa_ | hi, on my home compiuter i have a nice feature: bash does nor record the repeated commands. how can i enable it on my laptop? |
| 10:46.06 | ajavid | enveezee, this is currently my project in php |
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| 10:46.08 | Emery | i'd love to be a network admin or something |
| 10:46.30 | enveezee | Emery: hah, you can f'n have all my clients, I don't want em |
| 10:46.36 | Emery | hahah !! |
| 10:46.39 | Emery | i hear ya :P |
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| 10:46.53 | Emery | ajavid link don't work |
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| 10:47.03 | Emery | think it's worth learning PHP ? |
| 10:47.17 | LZNPDE | definitely not :/ |
| 10:47.27 | enveezee | I think I am just gonna see about godaddy doing the mailboxes and just use the server for the website only |
| 10:47.27 | ajavid | doh |
| 10:47.32 | Emery | i want to learn some sort of lang |
| 10:47.50 | unomi | php is probably worth learning |
| 10:47.50 | Emery | needs to be useful for a job though.. |
| 10:47.51 | enveezee | less traffic on the server and don't have to worry about issues with the site f'n up the mail |
| 10:47.58 | unomi | if only because it is ubiquitous |
| 10:48.08 | Emery | i mean i do, like to do web dev.. |
| 10:48.10 | Emery | so.. |
| 10:48.15 | unomi | you would be hard pressed to find a webserver without php |
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| 10:48.16 | PalmerB | enveezee, don't use godaddy for anything, they're horrible |
| 10:48.27 | PalmerB | enveezee, i'd recommend google apps |
| 10:48.30 | unomi | ruby, python etc, less so |
| 10:48.31 | Emery | unomi exactly .. and alot of jobs are PHP/SQL |
| 10:48.33 | Emery | so. |
| 10:48.50 | unomi | google apps is the way of the future though |
| 10:48.55 | unomi | if perhaps a limited market |
| 10:48.59 | enveezee | PalmerB: what does google apps have to do with the fact the domain is owned by godaddy? |
| 10:49.00 | Emery | you seen the google OS ? |
| 10:50.03 | fxiny | runa_: you mean ignoredups ? less ~/.bashrc |
| 10:50.08 | enveezee | I need a newer kernel in lenny btw, is there a 2.6.30 backport or something I can install until I build one? |
| 10:50.26 | enveezee | I need to have 3d and wifi working on this new netbook so I don't have to use xp |
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| 10:50.35 | Emery | i'm rather annoyed, i use Xp alot .. but i know if i format and just install Debian .. I'll want to use XP again.. |
| 10:50.49 | enveezee | damn ath5k driver in lenny isn't cutting it |
| 10:50.57 | unomi | just run it in a vm |
| 10:51.02 | enveezee | does everything with the card but turn on the radio |
| 10:51.12 | Emery | i'd rather not run it in a VM |
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| 10:51.24 | unomi | you will probably be surprised how little you eventually use it |
| 10:51.27 | unomi | why not? |
| 10:51.30 | enveezee | I don't want to use xp ever.. heh |
| 10:51.35 | Emery | only reason i don't properly use Debian is because it doesn't support my vid card aswell as XP |
| 10:51.42 | enveezee | just like wifi and 3d and don't have them working on here yet |
| 10:51.47 | liable | Emery: you can compile the latest wireless stack for lenny, or just get a newer kernel |
| 10:51.50 | enveezee | the thinkpad is all working in debian |
| 10:51.57 | Emery | liable video card |
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| 10:51.58 | Emery | lol |
| 10:52.01 | stony | hi |
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| 10:52.12 | liable | Emery: ath5k is wireless.. |
| 10:52.18 | ajavid | Emery, enveezee, http://swoopo.podzone.org:8181/ |
| 10:52.22 | Emery | <Emery> only reason i don't properly use Debian is because it doesn't support my vid card aswell as XP |
| 10:52.23 | liable | ooh, sorry |
| 10:52.26 | ajavid | enveezee, Emery, security reasons, I had to keep it off |
| 10:52.26 | Emery | lol! |
| 10:52.29 | liable | enveezee: ^^^^ |
| 10:52.34 | stony | i'm running 2.6.30-1-686-bigmem on a firewall and it looks like the masquerade and snat targets are ignored until there is a connection made from within the same subnet the nic of the firewall is |
| 10:52.41 | Emery | ajavid sec. |
| 10:52.43 | ajavid | enveezee, I was commissioned to build a penny auction website |
| 10:52.49 | liable | stupid nicktab strikes again |
| 10:52.52 | ajavid | I am doing this in a rails like framework in php called cake |
| 10:52.56 | stony | from this moment on everything starts working fine |
| 10:52.57 | ajavid | its not bad... |
| 10:52.59 | Emery | ajavid that is niceeeeeee |
| 10:53.06 | enveezee | something I dont understand is this netbook shows up with two processors under debian |
| 10:53.17 | enveezee | its suppose to have an atom n270 |
| 10:53.27 | enveezee | which intel says is NOT dual core |
| 10:53.31 | ajavid | Emery, I'm still working on the backend |
| 10:53.31 | martian67_ | atoms are dual core |
| 10:53.33 | stony | enveezee: ht? |
| 10:53.40 | daemon | atoms are not dual core |
| 10:53.48 | stony | newer atoms are dual core |
| 10:53.50 | stony | older not |
| 10:53.56 | Emery | ajavid looks really good, you do web dev for a living ? |
| 10:53.58 | enveezee | the specs also do not mention this laptop having more than one cpu |
| 10:54.04 | martian67_ | yea its gotta be HT |
| 10:54.15 | martian67_ | HT is a scam anyways :P |
| 10:54.16 | enveezee | but it shows up as SMP with two intel atom n270s |
| 10:54.24 | daemon | FreeBSD shows the intel atom 1.6Ghz up a 'FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 1 core(s) x 2 HTT threads |
| 10:54.25 | daemon | ' |
| 10:54.27 | martian67_ | processors generally preform slower with it enabled |
| 10:54.28 | ajavid | Emery, I'm a professional school musician |
| 10:54.37 | ajavid | Emery, I just program for fun, one day I figured why not make money with it |
| 10:54.38 | martian67_ | enveezee, hyperthreading shows up as 2 processors |
| 10:54.43 | martian67_ | to the OS |
| 10:54.53 | enveezee | ah |
| 10:55.01 | Emery | ajavid so your going to sell the site ? ... oh i play guitar :) |
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| 10:55.13 | ajavid | I been playing guitar 20+ eyars |
| 10:55.16 | ajavid | join #music |
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| 10:55.34 | ajavid | Emery, no this code belongs to the person who contracted me |
| 10:55.53 | ajavid | Emery, all i can show you is the front, no code, (nondisclosure agreement in contract) |
| 10:56.05 | ajavid | you understand |
| 10:56.06 | Emery | it's ok :) |
| 10:56.08 | Emery | i do. |
| 10:56.13 | Emery | opensource ftw ;x |
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| 10:57.10 | ajavid | Emery, I work like 6 hours a day tops on this, 4-6 hours, and its about 80k, the whole project (just the coding) |
| 10:57.26 | ajavid | Emery, 12% equity sharing too ! killer contract |
| 10:57.38 | Emery | how much you get paid |
| 10:57.39 | ajavid | Emery, I got sick of working for companies and people and not having job security |
| 10:57.48 | ajavid | Emery, I just started my own company, new startup |
| 10:58.06 | Emery | i'll come work for you ;) lol |
| 10:58.09 | ajavid | Emery, in chunks of 20k, 4 payments, throught he course of the development |
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| 10:58.25 | ajavid | timeline 4-5 months |
| 10:58.42 | daemon | ajavid, some guys get all the luck -_- |
| 10:58.57 | ajavid | no, some guys make business contacts in new york ;) |
| 10:59.03 | daemon | :) |
| 10:59.10 | ajavid | I lived in new york for 3 years like 3 months ago |
| 10:59.14 | ajavid | :) |
| 10:59.42 | daemon | ah you seem to know what you are doing more than most, FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 1 core(s) x 2 HTT threads |
| 10:59.42 | daemon | , I remember that once upon a time HTT actually made chips slower |
| 10:59.44 | daemon | is that still the case/ |
| 10:59.51 | ajavid | htt? |
| 10:59.55 | ajavid | hyper threading? |
| 10:59.57 | daemon | Hyper threading |
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| 11:00.05 | ajavid | nope, afaik it only helps |
| 11:00.12 | daemon | right |
| 11:00.16 | unomi | depends on what you are doing |
| 11:00.33 | unomi | so sayeth the benchmarks |
| 11:00.53 | daemon | unomi, this is a eeepc 1000, with extended ram, I generally use it for taking to uni in my man-bag to take notes on. even though when im bored I do some perl work on it |
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| 11:01.04 | daemon | Xfce[+compiz] as the wm |
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| 11:01.26 | daemon | it is the SSD model, so /var and /tmp are mounted in ram to save wrecking the SSD's |
| 11:02.00 | unomi | I have the 701 |
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| 11:02.16 | unomi | thinking about getting the touchbook |
| 11:02.24 | daemon | ah the pocket one, is it really that small. I must be honest I have only seen the 90x and 100x types |
| 11:02.34 | enveezee | I just got an Acer Aspire One ZG5 |
| 11:02.40 | unomi | except that 7.1" is slightly too small |
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| 11:02.52 | daemon | unomi, you should take a look at this before making a decision |
| 11:02.52 | enveezee | way better resolution than an eeepc, and has a hard drive |
| 11:02.53 | daemon | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03/20/review_netbook_asus_eee_pc_1000he/ |
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| 11:03.08 | unomi | yeah its quite a nice size, fits into my cargo pants pocket |
| 11:03.09 | runa_ | thanks fxiny |
| 11:03.11 | daemon | enveezee, the eeepc's come with hard disks as well |
| 11:03.36 | Emery | ajavid so how many langs are you using to develop this site ? |
| 11:03.38 | enveezee | the ones I seen didn't and a menu bar would take up half your screen |
| 11:03.54 | unomi | http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/info.htm |
| 11:03.58 | fxiny | runa_: np |
| 11:04.00 | daemon | Emery, 6 hours a day tops |
| 11:04.08 | enveezee | I was either going with the AspireOne or the WindBook |
| 11:04.09 | Emery | what |
| 11:04.10 | ajavid | Emery, php, ajax, no sql |
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| 11:04.22 | daemon | oops mis-read |
| 11:04.24 | unomi | no sql? |
| 11:04.30 | Emery | i'm quite torn between learning C++ or PHP |
| 11:04.32 | ajavid | Emery, cakephp has a very cheap orm implementation |
| 11:04.37 | Emery | not sure which direction i want to go |
| 11:04.44 | ajavid | of rails' active record |
| 11:04.53 | ajavid | so I'm using that, so yeah, no sql |
| 11:05.04 | unomi | C++ is probably 'better for you' while php will give you more instant gratification |
| 11:05.19 | daemon | unomi, hey that looks pretty sweet, one thing I never understood though what is it with netboots and the huge fugly border on the lcd's |
| 11:05.22 | ajavid | c++ is horrible, no garbage collection, its 100% oop |
| 11:05.33 | Emery | i want to use the chosen language in workplace though unomi |
| 11:05.33 | ajavid | you'd be much better off with java or C# |
| 11:05.41 | unomi | daemon, because the keyboard is larger than the screen |
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| 11:06.01 | ajavid | Emery, I find static languages to be so much more unproductive at times |
| 11:06.09 | daemon | unomi, im sure there is something they could of done to rectify it, just a thick black border .. |
| 11:06.13 | SteppenwolfII | there was some sort of warning this morning about java being compromised |
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| 11:06.21 | unomi | or just go javascript pro, Emery |
| 11:06.29 | Emery | ajavid so C# ir java ? |
| 11:06.32 | unomi | javascript is the way of the future, as well ;) |
| 11:06.34 | ajavid | Emery, you can try your hand at JRuby or Jython |
| 11:06.36 | SteppenwolfII | anyone know anything |
| 11:06.43 | Emery | i hear java is bloatware though.. |
| 11:06.43 | SteppenwolfII | about that? |
| 11:06.44 | daemon | Emery, Perl is an option :) |
| 11:06.53 | ajavid | !jython |
| 11:06.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, jython is Python implemented in Java. It automagically wraps all Java classes/APIs. |
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| 11:07.04 | ajavid | 100% full python that runs in a jvm |
| 11:07.13 | fxiny | daemon: perl is a religion ;) |
| 11:07.17 | Emery | too many options ! |
| 11:07.26 | enveezee | ajavid: best of both worlds? |
| 11:07.29 | Dassu | ajavid: hmm |
| 11:07.33 | ajavid | Emery, in a sense |
| 11:07.33 | unomi | Emery, depends on what you want to do |
| 11:07.36 | daemon | fxiny, all hail the mighty larry wall, let his life be long and prosperous |
| 11:07.42 | ajavid | enveezee, same as JRuby or gtk# |
| 11:07.43 | Dassu | ajavid: Why should one run python code inside jvm ? |
| 11:07.45 | ajavid | same difference |
| 11:07.50 | Emery | unomi i want to use it in a future job. |
| 11:07.54 | ajavid | Dassu, if you have a need for it |
| 11:08.05 | enveezee | I love python.. its so f'n simple |
| 11:08.05 | ajavid | Dassu, if you don't, don't worry about it |
| 11:08.09 | daemon | Emery, what type of work do you want it to |
| 11:08.09 | unomi | Emery: increasingly all these languages, like php, python are just glue for database and javascript / browsers |
| 11:08.12 | daemon | want to do* |
| 11:08.21 | enveezee | its so simple in fact its hard to understand just how simple it is |
| 11:08.29 | ajavid | join #debian-chat for all this offtopic |
| 11:08.31 | unomi | javascript pro will see you doing web apps and front end engineering |
| 11:08.35 | enveezee | especially if you've programmed other languages |
| 11:08.35 | ajavid | !offtopic |
| 11:08.35 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 11:08.43 | fxiny | lights a candle in his Larry Wall altar |
| 11:08.45 | netbook2009 | can anyone recommend a fast mirror to download the debian eeepc-live bootable usb image? |
| 11:08.46 | Emery | so maybe i should go with java. |
| 11:08.51 | ajavid | this is not for programming langauge discussion |
| 11:08.53 | fxiny | daemon: ;) |
| 11:08.57 | Emery | netbook2009 they're all fast enough |
| 11:08.59 | ajavid | fxiny, good morning my main man |
| 11:09.10 | daemon | fxiny++ ;) |
| 11:09.12 | fxiny | ajavid: hi |
| 11:09.12 | ajavid | fxiny, whats up! did you tried smplayer? |
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| 11:09.48 | fxiny | ajavid: s&mplayer ? i run xmonad , no icons here :P |
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| 11:10.43 | ajavid | Emery, do not msg me please |
| 11:10.48 | ajavid | Emery, start with ##php |
| 11:11.05 | fxiny | ajavid: are you upset ? |
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| 11:11.08 | ajavid | Emery, learn more advanced languages as you go. You can also start with java right now |
| 11:11.11 | ajavid | fxiny, nope |
| 11:11.15 | fxiny | good |
| 11:11.20 | Emery | i may start with java ajavid |
| 11:11.36 | ajavid | fxiny, I'm never 'upset' unless my computer pisses me off |
| 11:11.52 | wino | pebkac |
| 11:12.05 | ajavid | fxiny, I am however hyper, and I type very fast, and I'm very blunt, so it comes off as me being very excited, when its just being me, normally |
| 11:12.21 | ajavid | like I'll call you stupid |
| 11:12.29 | ajavid | for not knowing shit _I_ just found out yesterday |
| 11:12.33 | ajavid | you know, shit like that. |
| 11:13.06 | fxiny | yesterday ? what is it ? |
| 11:13.17 | fxiny | ajavid: is it debian related ? |
| 11:13.24 | ajavid | yes |
| 11:13.26 | ajavid | it is |
| 11:13.29 | ajavid | 2 year release cycles |
| 11:13.38 | ajavid | next released in feb 2010 |
| 11:13.53 | ajavid | and then two years from then, but it also said something about odd years |
| 11:13.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | 2 year freeze cycles, technically |
| 11:14.04 | Emery | 2 years !! |
| 11:14.08 | fxiny | ajavid: i see , i call it "the SWAT team plan" , i know it |
| 11:14.09 | netbook2009 | Emery, which ones? |
| 11:14.28 | ajavid | fxiny, hehe |
| 11:14.33 | Emery | netbook2009 ones closest to you |
| 11:14.35 | runa_ | i have a cdrom device which does not work well. so i want to disregard it while booting |
| 11:14.47 | Emery | remove it? |
| 11:14.48 | runa_ | i dont want to remove it physically |
| 11:14.54 | daemon | runa_, unset it in the bios |
| 11:15.33 | netbook2009 | i have not found any mirrors listed on the eeelive-live project page |
| 11:15.37 | tawan | squeeze from toystory desktop http://imagebin.org/58893 |
| 11:16.02 | timahvo1 | ok |
| 11:16.09 | ajavid | CUTE! |
| 11:16.13 | ajavid | super cute |
| 11:16.16 | ajavid | awwww |
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| 11:16.34 | daemon | -_ |
| 11:18.10 | macrobat | can u make the eyes follow the mouse pointer? |
| 11:18.23 | ajavid | its a wallpaper dude |
| 11:18.38 | ajavid | its not Xeyes |
| 11:19.04 | daemon | I suppose you could alter x eyes to use a native resolution equal to that screen and use the alien as a backdrop for the application |
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| 11:19.16 | daemon | then link xeyes as xroot |
| 11:19.18 | daemon | in theory |
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| 11:20.08 | ajavid | 2 eyes |
| 11:20.12 | ajavid | not 3 |
| 11:21.17 | fxiny | one in the land of the blind |
| 11:21.18 | daemon | You could say he had some alien disease and you was helping raise awareness |
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| 11:21.53 | fxiny | daemon: reptilian awareness ? |
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| 11:22.10 | daemon | fxiny, indeed, just because its not human we should be aware of it |
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| 11:22.18 | fxiny | daemon: heh |
| 11:22.22 | daemon | :) |
| 11:22.33 | ajavid | lol |
| 11:22.54 | ajavid | imagine what you could do if you had 3 brains |
| 11:23.20 | ajavid | cat /dev/brain0 >> /dev/brain1 ! |
| 11:23.23 | ajavid | brain3 is backup |
| 11:23.35 | daemon | ajavid, mentally argue with yourself 3 times as efficiantly for decisions youm ade earlier in the day? :) |
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| 11:23.40 | ajavid | hahaha |
| 11:24.14 | kai4711 | hi guys... when i do a mount /media/cdrom0 on my debian it mounts the volume as noexec ... how can i change it into exec? |
| 11:24.18 | ajavid | mmm the sun has started to come up |
| 11:24.42 | daemon | ajavid, time for you're banana shake or the curtains |
| 11:25.08 | ajavid | no shake for 2 more hours, everyone else is still asleep and blender makes noise |
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| 11:26.22 | daemon | ah :( |
| 11:26.24 | ajavid | I drank a tall glass of water with 2 table spoon honey in it |
| 11:26.26 | ajavid | I'm great |
| 11:26.29 | daemon | why are you still up at this time anyways |
| 11:26.37 | ajavid | I just woke up at 5:30am |
| 11:26.58 | daemon | OH my mistake, I thoguht you was still up from the previous night |
| 11:27.06 | ajavid | no no, those days are long gone |
| 11:27.09 | ajavid | I'm an old man! |
| 11:27.20 | daemon | how old are you? 28 :) |
| 11:27.24 | ajavid | hehe yeah |
| 11:27.25 | ajavid | shaddup |
| 11:27.37 | ajavid | 2 more years and I'll be 30 |
| 11:27.41 | ajavid | godddamn |
| 11:27.46 | daemon | jesus christ, I guessed it right |
| 11:27.50 | ajavid | you were guessing? |
| 11:27.52 | daemon | that was lucky |
| 11:27.52 | liable | go get a room |
| 11:27.55 | ajavid | I thougth you knew me something |
| 11:27.58 | ajavid | lol |
| 11:28.13 | daemon | no I just guessed as im 24, and im starting to believe im getting old, so add 4 yeas to be sure = 28 :) |
| 11:28.53 | ajavid | usually I go jogging but its raining so I'm chilling here |
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| 11:29.03 | daemon | I still sometimes end up staying awake till 5am though, I have a really irritating coding problem that I must finish the sub-routine im currently on |
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| 11:29.11 | ajavid | you code in what? |
| 11:29.27 | daemon | primarily perl, all my time is going onto my site at the moment though: www.worldforme.net |
| 11:29.39 | daemon | I just added a ajax/javascript type login (click top right) |
| 11:29.42 | daemon | and having second thoughts about it |
| 11:30.00 | ajavid | ugh, perl. |
| 11:30.00 | Emery | that site is fugly ;x |
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| 11:30.07 | daemon | the site is coded in perl,FastCGI with 'Template', backend is lighttpd, postgresql |
| 11:30.15 | ajavid | not bad |
| 11:30.20 | ajavid | it looks alright |
| 11:30.30 | daemon | it validates perfectly too, this is its second attempt |
| 11:30.35 | ajavid | functionality and content is what matters |
| 11:30.50 | Emery | i'm an eye candy whore |
| 11:30.53 | daemon | I got right up to adding blogging engines and what not, but I had coded it in xhtml and I realized that as a respectable web devel, I just could not do it |
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| 11:30.57 | ajavid | I use stylish in firefox and make my own for debian.org |
| 11:31.01 | daemon | so started again from scratch with html 4.01-strict |
| 11:31.07 | ajavid | just style things a bit better, the red/blue gets a bit bland |
| 11:31.35 | daemon | ah, im an opera fan myself. well opera on everything not windows, on windows I use chrome |
| 11:32.09 | ajavid | judd versions opera |
| 11:32.10 | judd | ajavid: opera -- |
| 11:32.16 | ajavid | !opera |
| 11:32.17 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see http://wiki.debian.org/Opera . http://www.opera.com/support/ #opera on irc.opera.com. |
| 11:32.21 | ajavid | oh |
| 11:32.28 | ajavid | i thought it was in non-free or something |
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| 11:32.42 | daemon | it used to have an annoying advert in the very top right |
| 11:32.45 | daemon | unless you paid for it |
| 11:32.47 | daemon | but that was years ago |
| 11:32.50 | xand | who wants that trash |
| 11:33.16 | ajavid | VOpera/9.64 (X11; Linux x86_64; U; en) Presto/2.1.1 |
| 11:33.22 | mavhc | opera: because chrome is too popular |
| 11:33.27 | diddy | Someone stole my /etc/syslog.conf !!! |
| 11:33.30 | daemon | :) |
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| 11:33.43 | diddy | Where is this file on Debian? |
| 11:33.45 | daemon | diddy, check syslog to find the culprit |
| 11:33.53 | craigevil | opera: Installed: 10.00.4492.gcc4.qt3 |
| 11:33.53 | valdyn | diddy: /etc/syslog.d ? |
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| 11:34.17 | ajavid | craigevil, where is my goddamn apt configurator!? |
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| 11:34.23 | fxiny | daemon: i remember that ads |
| 11:34.29 | diddy | valdyn, not there. |
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| 11:34.42 | valdyn | diddy: dpkg -l | grep syslog |
| 11:34.46 | fxiny | daemon: glad to hear you are coding it in perl |
| 11:34.46 | daemon | fxiny, remember that it never used to be able to handle dynamic content without relaoding the page either ;p |
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| 11:35.26 | diddy | valdyn, ii rsyslog 3.18.6-4 enhanced multi-threaded syslogd |
| 11:35.32 | ajavid | daemon, is it just procedural? |
| 11:35.34 | daemon | fxiny, I am pretty much <80% perl, 5% c, 5% erlang,10% other> other being any language I feel like playing with at the time |
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| 11:35.50 | valdyn | diddy: so /etc/rsyslog.conf and /etc/rsyslog.d |
| 11:35.51 | ajavid | daemon, are you using any common web design patterns for layers abstraction |
| 11:36.16 | daemon | ajavid, its all done by hand, completly custom, all the images are gimp's work |
| 11:36.23 | ajavid | daemon, huh? |
| 11:36.31 | diddy | When did Debian switch to rsyslog? |
| 11:36.39 | fxiny | daemon: since i run xmonad i'm interested in haskell . i'm planning to start learning it this coming winter |
| 11:36.42 | ajavid | daemon, no man, like front controller, page, etc. etc. |
| 11:36.49 | craigevil | daemon: the google chromium works in debian google-chrome-unstable: Installed: 3.0.197.11-r22553, even flash and gecko-mediaplayer as well as privoxy |
| 11:36.51 | daemon | ajavid, ah no |
| 11:36.53 | ajavid | daemon, any kind of MVC |
| 11:36.55 | ajavid | etc. |
| 11:36.59 | ajavid | oh |
| 11:37.02 | ajavid | you suck! ;) |
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| 11:37.28 | valdyn | diddy: with lenny |
| 11:37.39 | daemon | ajavid, it does not need one :) |
| 11:37.48 | daemon | craigevil, I heard it was as unstable as sin |
| 11:37.56 | diddy | valdyn, thx |
| 11:37.57 | ajavid | you say that now |
| 11:38.17 | craigevil | daemon: its not bad lately, sometimes a page will cause it to crash but no more than the opera beta |
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| 11:38.50 | daemon | craigevil, plus I have a rather bizzare setup, I have one debian server, one debian desktop ~(my girlfriends not mine), my main desktop is dual booted winxp/freebsd my asus eeepc laptop is freebsd-current, my gaetway/head router is freebsd, my print server is netbsd, and the other boxs scattered around the place im not sure its been so long to turn them on im afraid they might blow up |
| 11:39.38 | daemon | but ill tell my girl about chrome availbile for her desktop, she loves it to |
| 11:40.22 | daemon | fxiny, functional programming languages are interesting things, why not go halfway and try pugs |
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| 11:44.20 | kai4711 | I tried to install my kernel headers via apt-get install kerne-headers-$(uname -r) but it gives me a error "coulndt find package kernel-headers-2.6.26.2.686 |
| 11:44.28 | kai4711 | can you give me a hint? |
| 11:44.31 | unomi | "It learned that this planet is like 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit. That is so hot. And it's 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit just on one side only. The other side would be closer to 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit, " said Sara Seager, a professor at Massachusetts Institute of Technology |
| 11:44.33 | dutchfish | where can i read up about the latest changes in squeeze where bash depends on dash and its implications for maintainers; secondly what will be the designgoal? ie is dash gone replace bash in total in the end? |
| 11:44.38 | unomi | wtf |
| 11:44.42 | fxiny | daemon: because the huge xmonad packages collection debian provides , along with the pretty inutitive xmonad contrib examples , impressed me |
| 11:44.47 | azeem | kai4711: it's kernel-headers, not kerne-headers |
| 11:44.53 | daemon | fxiny, :) ok |
| 11:45.04 | unomi | someone has been spending too much time emulating Palin in front of the mirror |
| 11:45.15 | fxiny | daemon: and it seems haskel can do math very well |
| 11:45.26 | kai4711 | yes it was only a typo here in irc |
| 11:45.33 | fxiny | i need to look into it |
| 11:45.41 | owen1 | i use ssh -XC <local_ip> mplayer a.avi but it's running in slow motion. is it my connection? |
| 11:45.48 | kai4711 | the error message tells me coulndt find package kernel-headers-2.6.26.2.686 |
| 11:46.35 | daemon | fxiny, pugs is based on haskell ya know ;) |
| 11:47.03 | fxiny | ajavid : unless the SWAT team comes in throwing me from the window , wich means *bsd ;) |
| 11:47.18 | JPT | owen1: the encryption of ssh can slow down file transfers to a data rate on that a movie cannot be played correctly |
| 11:47.23 | fxiny | daemon: did not know that , googlihg |
| 11:47.31 | daemon | fxiny, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugs |
| 11:48.29 | fxiny | daemon: reading contents : perl5 compatibility ? sweet |
| 11:48.51 | kai4711 | anyone an idea? |
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| 11:49.02 | owen1 | JPT: got it |
| 11:49.17 | beawesomeinstead | I have N packages to build for both i386 and x64 archs. Should i do this by hand on i386 and x64 machines or something like an automation tool exists? |
| 11:49.18 | daemon | fxiny, If you read larry walls spec on perl6, he wrote that all implementations of perl6 should be backward compatible :) |
| 11:49.25 | fxiny | daemon: interesting indeed |
| 11:49.33 | daemon | fxiny, kinda a cool way to devel a language if you ask me, write a spec and dont release a compiler or interpreter |
| 11:49.39 | azeem | daemon: please keep it on topic |
| 11:49.53 | daemon | sorry |
| 11:50.50 | daemon | fxiny, last note before I shut up (hopefully before getting banned), its #perl6 on here not #pugs ;) if you want to know more join me in #debian-chat |
| 11:51.51 | azeem | daemon: I was sorta hoping you guys would figure out yourselves after a while that you were off-topic |
| 11:52.23 | daemon | azeem, sorry got carried away :) |
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| 11:56.30 | ajavid | ##programming |
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| 12:31.55 | klaas | can dropbear and openssh-server use the same host key files? |
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| 12:33.50 | phogg | Where do I find documentation on what the package suffixes as printed by aptitude mean? E.h. {u}, {a}. If it's in the man page I couldn't find it. |
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| 12:34.20 | binrapt | Any recommendations for a SOCKS5 server for Debian? apt-cache search socks wasn't fruitful so far |
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| 12:36.39 | rudi_s | phogg: Check the manual in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html or in aptitude Help -> User's Manual. |
| 12:36.55 | phogg | rudi_s: Okay. What should I be looking for? |
| 12:37.13 | thrashold | binrapt, I gave up looking for a SOCKS5 server for Debian when I discovered ipchains' MASQ feature. :) But I've seen people using dante-server, it was even installed on the servers of my ex-ex-employer, which I administered. |
| 12:37.43 | binrapt | dante-server - SOCKS (v4 and v5) proxy daemon (danted) |
| 12:37.43 | thrashold | binrapt, are you sure that VPN/NAT won't suffice for your task, or would be more suitable, and that you need SOCKS5? :) |
| 12:37.46 | binrapt | Sounds good |
| 12:38.35 | wino | is there a "default" (installed anyways) firewall that comes with debian? |
| 12:38.38 | PsynoKhi0 | heya, a quickie: I'm using the text-based installer for lenny on a K6-2 machine, not too sure about which lernel image to choose, the installer offers 2.6-486 or 2.6.26-2-486... does the latter simply allows to have several images installed for fallback purposes? |
| 12:38.45 | rudi_s | phogg: This should help file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s02s02.html |
| 12:38.49 | wino | ipchains? iptables? pf? |
| 12:38.54 | binrapt | thrashold: This is used for running Diablo II clients with DLL injected Winsock2 hooks through either SSH tunnels, Tor or, more directly and generalised, any SOCKS5 server |
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| 12:39.12 | rudi_s | wino: iptables is default |
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| 12:39.22 | wino | rudi_s: thanks |
| 12:39.33 | dutchfish | binrapt, did you teak a peak at proxychains ? |
| 12:39.35 | rudi_s | np |
| 12:40.03 | dutchfish | s/at/on |
| 12:40.05 | binrapt | I currently use freecap to achieve this, writing something like this to achieve hooked asynchronous Winsock2 I/O to run it through other IPs on remote boxes is non-trivial |
| 12:41.02 | binrapt | dutchfish: Mind you, all of this depends on the Windows which achieves the Winsock2 hook selectively on single processes |
| 12:41.05 | binrapt | Can ProxyChains do this? |
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| 12:41.12 | binrapt | *on the Windows program |
| 12:41.13 | phogg | rudi_s: so are thse "current state" flags or "action" flags that I'm seeing? {a} does not seem to be listed here. Is it the same as {A}? |
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| 12:42.12 | rudi_s | phogg: I'm not sure, could you give me an example line of what you see? |
| 12:42.15 | dutchfish | binrapt, mm.. i gues not |
| 12:42.45 | phogg | rudi_s: "kolourpaint{u} kommander{u} konq-plugins{a} konqueror{a} konqueror-nsplugins{u}" |
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| 12:42.54 | phogg | rudi_s: as a sampling that includes both, from a list of many. |
| 12:43.10 | phogg | this is in a list of packages to be removed. |
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| 12:43.48 | Maxdamantus | Does Debian not have an i686 installer? |
| 12:44.00 | dutchfish | binrapt, it just intercepts tcp calls and supports socks 5 |
| 12:44.18 | binrapt | dutchfish: How does it intercept them and which ones does it intercept? |
| 12:44.20 | Maxdamantus | 386 is a bit old.. Before P1s. |
| 12:44.27 | binrapt | Also, how does it achieve this on Windows? |
| 12:44.31 | binrapt | Injection? KMD? |
| 12:44.33 | binrapt | LSP? |
| 12:44.55 | azeem | Maxdamantus: it's the architecture, not the CPU |
| 12:45.27 | PsynoKhi0 | there are i686 images afaik... |
| 12:45.32 | zamuro | Maxdamantus: I don't know... |
| 12:45.37 | zamuro | Hostname: zamuro - OS: Linux 2.6.26-2-686/i686 - CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+ (1799.532 MHz) - Processes: 122 - Uptime: 2d 16h 51m - Load Average: 0.26 - Memory Usage: 692.84mb/1232.99mb (56.19%) - Disk Usage: 68.76gb/183.20gb (37.53%) |
| 12:45.43 | Maxdamantus | azeem, yes, and 686 is an extension to 586 .. 386. |
| 12:45.54 | azeem | Maxdamantus: so? |
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| 12:46.10 | phogg | Maxdamantus: is there a reason you need packages optimized for 686? |
| 12:46.29 | azeem | Maxdamantus asked about an installer, not packages |
| 12:46.55 | dutchfish | binrapt, http://proxychains.sourceforge.net/howto.html |
| 12:47.17 | rudi_s | phogg: Ah, on the command line. I never use aptitude from the commandline, I always use curses. But I think {a} and {u} means automatically installed (like the A in the curses aptitude). |
| 12:47.21 | binrapt | "This is open source software for GNU/Linux systems." |
| 12:47.28 | rudi_s | I couldn't find anything in the doc's though ... |
| 12:47.30 | binrapt | Yeah well, I need a client for Windows :/ |
| 12:47.54 | Maxdamantus | phogg, not really *need*, but don't see much point in leaving out all the optimisations over the last 10 years. |
| 12:48.18 | thrashold | binrapt, just to point out that Diablo II should run happily in Wine :) |
| 12:48.19 | Maxdamantus | So the 386 is just the installer, it'll set up a 686 system? |
| 12:48.26 | Maxdamantus | Well rather, can. |
| 12:48.38 | binrapt | thrashold I know |
| 12:48.42 | azeem | Maxdamantus: if you want optimizations, buy a 64bit machine |
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| 12:49.05 | binrapt | On Linux you could manipulate the packets easier I'd imagine |
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| 12:49.14 | PsynoKhi0 | Maxdamantus: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q.3AWhydoesn.27ttheinstallerautomaticallychoosetheappropriatekerneltoinstall.28forexampleani686kernelinsteadofthegenerici386.29.3F is that what your were wondering about? |
| 12:49.20 | PsynoKhi0 | ouch |
| 12:50.10 | Maxdamantus | No, programs from packages not kernels. |
| 12:50.11 | abrotman | PsynoKhi0: which still doesn't answer his question |
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| 12:50.34 | Maxdamantus | I'd rather set up my own kernel. |
| 12:50.38 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: you can rebuild your entire system for 686 instead of i386, but the performance gain isn't worth the effort |
| 12:50.48 | azeem | Maxdamantus: if you compile for i686, that might mean you cannot run Debian on a OLPC maybe |
| 12:50.51 | azeem | not sure |
| 12:51.10 | Maxdamantus | wonders what an OLPC is. |
| 12:51.20 | azeem | check wikipedia |
| 12:51.48 | Maxdamantus | One Laptop Per Child? |
| 12:51.53 | thrashold | Aren't packages compiled with at least --mtune=i686 (I don't know if it this has any noticable effect on x86, though) |
| 12:51.58 | azeem | no |
| 12:52.09 | azeem | they are compiled with "-O2 -Wall" usually |
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| 12:52.31 | PsynoKhi0 | abrotman: the original question was "Does Debian not have an i686 installer?" :) |
| 12:52.33 | Maxdamantus | But -march=i386.. Or whatever? |
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| 12:53.09 | Maxdamantus | PsynoKhi0, think of it as: "Does Debian not have an (i686 install)er?" |
| 12:53.09 | sepi | I have a possibly stupid question. How do I make sshd servie start automatically in debian? Couldn't find anything on this :/ |
| 12:53.35 | abrotman | Maxdamantus: it's jus tthe installer .. you're really asking if debian has a separate i686 architecture |
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| 12:53.52 | cahoot | sepi: it sin't so by default? |
| 12:53.58 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, pretty much. |
| 12:54.06 | cahoot | s/sin't/isn't/ |
| 12:54.07 | azeem | Maxdamantus: see above, it's not worth the effort |
| 12:54.22 | sepi | cahoot: oh, it is :) |
| 12:54.27 | azeem | and there are embedded/low-cost systems (routers etc.) which do not necessarily have the i686 instructions set |
| 12:54.37 | abrotman | PsynoKhi0: i just cut out another 30 minutes :) |
| 12:54.42 | sepi | cahoot: thanks. But how would you normally enable a service to start on boot? |
| 12:54.54 | cahoot | sepi: man update-rc.d |
| 12:55.03 | sepi | cahoot: ahh, thanks a lot! |
| 12:55.31 | cahoot | sepi: you might want to take a look at the debian reference |
| 12:55.36 | thrashold | sepi, you do the opposite of what you did to disable it. It is generally either something in /etc/default/<service> or update-rc.d |
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| 12:56.00 | Maxdamantus | azeem, hmm.. then perhaps there should be a separate thing for that? |
| 12:56.09 | sepi | I've had problems finding good debian docs. |
| 12:56.49 | sepi | Seems I've missed the reference. :/ |
| 12:56.54 | Maxdamantus | I'm sure people running an i386 router won't care about the package maintainers missing out Firefox for thew. |
| 12:57.25 | Maxdamantus | Meh dw. |
| 12:57.30 | azeem | Maxdamantus: feel free to start a i686 Debian derived distribution |
| 12:57.42 | azeem | Debian will not do it |
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| 12:58.24 | Maxdamantus | Hmm.. Hasn't Ubuntu done that? |
| 12:58.35 | azeem | maybe |
| 12:58.38 | sepi | azeem: why not? |
| 12:58.46 | azeem | sepi: see above |
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| 13:00.06 | sepi | azeem: I haven't been in the channel for so long ;) |
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| 13:00.35 | sepi | azeem: ok, but "it not being worth the effort" is enough as an answer I guess :) |
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| 13:05.24 | Maxdamantus | Also.. How big is a minimal Debian install usually? |
| 13:06.00 | abrotman | 250-300MB or so |
| 13:06.04 | Maxdamantus | Mk. |
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| 13:08.37 | skott | hello, im seem to be having a strange problem |
| 13:08.40 | skott | im using lenny |
| 13:09.06 | skott | now from the console whenever i do apt-get update, i get connecting to 1.0.0.0 |
| 13:09.26 | skott | but after i ping the location in my sources.list |
| 13:09.31 | skott | apt-get update works |
| 13:09.41 | skott | but then again it gets back to 1.0.0.0 |
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| 13:09.56 | skott | and i have to ping again...any way to fix this ? |
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| 13:11.18 | abrotman | or he just leaves |
| 13:12.53 | asg | or that |
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| 13:29.24 | binrapt | thrashold: method: username none #rfc931 <- how does this work really? Does it use passwd users then? |
| 13:29.30 | binrapt | Or does that require the pam mode? |
| 13:29.31 | valdyn | Maxdamantus: debian isnt 386 |
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| 13:30.37 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 13:32.20 | Maxdamantus | valdyn, what do you mean by that? Elephant isn't toenail. |
| 13:32.37 | valdyn | Maxdamantus: debian does not run on 386 cpu |
| 13:32.55 | valdyn | Maxdamantus: and the code is optimised for 586 iirc, probably 686 |
| 13:32.56 | Maxdamantus | Doesn't it? |
| 13:33.04 | valdyn | Maxdamantus: no |
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| 13:33.49 | Maxdamantus | Why? Subsets like 3dnow? |
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| 13:34.02 | Maxdamantus | sse. etc.. Whatever. |
| 13:34.19 | valdyn | Maxdamantus: because some core component does not support 386, maybe that was gcc or libc6, i dont remember |
| 13:34.21 | Maxdamantus | is kinda going out of his knowledge here. |
| 13:34.40 | valdyn | Maxdamantus: debian requires 486 or higher |
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| 13:35.20 | valdyn | the fpu emulation in the kernel is probably broken too by now, which too kind of excludes 386 |
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| 13:35.34 | Maxdamantus | Mk. |
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| 13:36.07 | valdyn | "kind of" because there was extra fpu chips for 386 cpus |
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| 13:38.48 | valdyn | Maxdamantus: there also -686 packages for libc6 |
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| 13:41.38 | martian67_ | valdyn, it really wasnt an extra fpu chip |
| 13:41.50 | martian67_ | it was another 386 with a built in FPU |
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| 13:41.55 | martian67_ | that disabled your first chip |
| 13:42.01 | martian67_ | dont you just love intel ;) |
| 13:42.05 | valdyn | martian67_: funny |
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| 13:42.42 | simonrvn | explains the size.. |
| 13:42.48 | martian67_ | they did the same thing with the 486sx/dx |
| 13:43.31 | valdyn | i remember 386sx was half width fsb while 486sx was just without fpu |
| 13:43.33 | cantido | martian67_: the original 386 had the 387 |
| 13:43.46 | PsynoKhi0 | hi, what is the difference between choosing kernel 2.6-486 and 2.6.26-2-486 during a text based installation? |
| 13:44.04 | valdyn | PsynoKhi0: read the description of both packages |
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| 13:44.26 | martian67_ | cantido, the 387 was a 386 with an fpu built in |
| 13:44.26 | cantido | martian67_: the sx/dx stuff is all about increasing yields.. motorola did exactly the same with the 68ks |
| 13:44.26 | martian67_ | iirc |
| 13:44.41 | cantido | martian67_: nope, the 387 was a co-processor |
| 13:44.45 | martian67_ | it wasnt JUST an fpu |
| 13:45.04 | valdyn | nothing wrong with increasing yields, but the naming is intentionally misleading |
| 13:45.43 | cantido | martian67_: The Intel 80387 (387 or i387) was a math coprocessor for the ... nuff said |
| 13:46.17 | cantido | martian67_: It's not like the 68020 where you had to buy an external MMU, external FPU.. |
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| 13:48.16 | humbolt | Are there actually any Promise SATA Raid controllers that make any sense to be used with Linux. |
| 13:48.42 | abrotman | are they all fakeraid ? |
| 13:48.44 | valdyn | humbolt: promise have *alot* of different stuff |
| 13:48.56 | valdyn | humbolt: real hardware raid and fakeraid |
| 13:49.04 | AphelionZ1 | When I try to apt-get stuff and it exits with errors whats the proper way to start troubleshooting that? Here's my error dump: http://pastebin.ca/1522946 |
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| 13:49.32 | humbolt | That is what I mean, are they all fakeraids? |
| 13:49.35 | valdyn | humbolt: you cannot buy sata controllers that arent at least fakeraid, so promise makes just as much sense as anything |
| 13:49.58 | humbolt | valdyn: so all are fakeraids? |
| 13:49.59 | valdyn | humbolt: whatever is beyond 400$ wont be fakeraid |
| 13:50.09 | cantido | there's not even one that does it properly? :/ |
| 13:50.10 | valdyn | or maybe beyond 200$ |
| 13:50.12 | abrotman | AphelionZ1: you're running squeeze/sid ? did you check the BTS ? |
| 13:51.02 | abrotman | humbolt: the cheap controllers are some variant of fakeraid .. if oyu're not spending a couple of hundred dollars, it's not a real hardware RAID controller |
| 13:51.03 | valdyn | humbolt: the supertra line is hardware raid anyway |
| 13:51.08 | valdyn | humbolt: *supertrak* |
| 13:51.13 | AphelionZ1 | Hmm no not yet, what's squeeze/sid |
| 13:51.48 | phogg | When command line aptitude prints package names with suffxes in some cases (e.g. for me, right now, when removing packages) What do those suffixes mean? |
| 13:52.10 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:52.19 | phogg | I should reorder, in some cases aptitude prints with suffixes. When it prints suffixes, what do they mean? |
| 13:52.24 | phogg | When it doesn't it means nothing, clearly. |
| 13:52.32 | azeem | phogg: maybe paste an example? |
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| 13:52.44 | phogg | abrotman: kolourpaint{u} kommander{u} konq-plugins{a} konqueror{a} konqueror-nsplugins{u} |
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| 13:53.01 | azeem | that's not exactly a suffix |
| 13:53.13 | phogg | on someone's advice earlier I looked in the aptitude manual at "The Package List" and figures 2.9 and 2.10 |
| 13:53.18 | phogg | azeem: it follows the package name |
| 13:53.25 | humbolt | valdyn: And running normal linux software raid is better than running the fakeraid variant via dmrais? |
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| 13:53.45 | phogg | But the flags and such listed in the manual do not correspond exactly (no 'a'). |
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| 13:53.49 | abrotman | AphelionZ1: you have to fix libpaper1 .. that's the one that's broken |
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| 13:54.00 | _lilibox_ | hi |
| 13:54.19 | _lilibox_ | is possible store all dependencies store to one place? |
| 13:54.31 | _lilibox_ | ie> i wanna install php5 |
| 13:54.39 | AphelionZ1 | ok so I thought i could apt-get libpaper1 but that breaks right away and if i try to do dpkg-reconfigure libpaper1 it still spits that error out... |
| 13:54.41 | cantido | phogg: "a" is probabl automatic |
| 13:54.55 | cantido | phogg: packages that were installed to fill deps |
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| 13:55.04 | abrotman | _lilibox_: apt-zip perhaps |
| 13:55.08 | phogg | cantido: as opposed to u" meaning what? And, are u and a the only possible values? |
| 13:55.12 | _lilibox_ | abrotman |
| 13:55.22 | cantido | phogg: "u" - upgrade? |
| 13:55.27 | _lilibox_ | thank you and if my questions are soo lame, then sorry :-) |
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| 13:55.36 | _lilibox_ | but it save my soul |
| 13:55.40 | phogg | cantido: please don't guess, I can do that myself. What I really want is documentation. |
| 13:55.41 | abrotman | !tell _lilibox_ about apt-zip |
| 13:55.44 | abrotman | i think that's what you mean |
| 13:55.46 | cantido | phogg: it's the same flags that are in the curses interface |
| 13:56.16 | phogg | cantido: the docs on those flags say "u-the package will be upgraded." and "u-the package has been unpacked but not configured." |
| 13:56.17 | cantido | well, if its obvious, it probably isn't written down |
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| 13:56.23 | azeem | phogg: check the source, then |
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| 13:56.53 | phogg | azeem: I suppose I can, but that is a rather suboptimal answer for something as user-facing as this. |
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| 13:57.44 | cantido | phogg: if you look in the output it sort of tells you what's going on |
| 13:57.55 | Fluor | Is there some way to set up automatic security updates on lenny?!. If so, how are packages that require user interaction handld? |
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| 13:58.08 | cantido | phogg: the following new packages are going to be install ... something blah{a} .. oh thats an automatic |
| 13:58.20 | abrotman | !cron-apt |
| 13:58.20 | dpkg | somebody said cron-apt was a highly configurable tool that can help keep your box up to date. By default, it downloads new updates and emails the list of available packages. It can also automatically install packages if you trust that security.debian.org will never have broken package or if you have your farm of machines working off a local mirror that you seed with updated packages after your own testing. Ask me about <cron-apt tips> <auto update> ... |
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| 13:58.28 | phogg | cantido: except that these are in a list of packages to be removed |
| 13:58.36 | PsynoKhi0 | valdyn: thanks |
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| 13:58.59 | phogg | cantido: i had sort of assumed what you're saying for packages to be installed, but now I am not sure and I want to be sure. |
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| 14:00.06 | AphelionZ1 | yeah it totally is libpaper1 |
| 14:00.50 | cantido | phogg: it does the same stuff in the curses inteface to show you the reason something is being removed |
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| 14:02.15 | phogg | this is damned hard to search for... |
| 14:02.29 | \amethyst | phogg: it's documented only in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/NEWS afaik |
| 14:02.48 | azeem | file a minor bug about missing documentation (preferably with a patch) |
| 14:03.42 | phogg | \amethyst: Aha! Thank you. This really should be moved to the man page. |
| 14:03.42 | \amethyst | phogg: {a} is automatically removed (because a dependency was removed), {u} is removed-because-unused, {p} is purged |
| 14:04.01 | humbolt | valdyn: I read promise raid controllers are not supported by the normal libata drivers. I am concerned about quality of this driver. Therefore, when I have SATA on my mainboard, should I rather user these plugs or a promise raid controller? |
| 14:04.19 | \amethyst | phogg: it should definitely be added to the HTML docs; probably the manpage too |
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| 14:05.18 | karlk | hi, testing just upgraded my openoffice to 3.1 which has serious problems to display word-tables. Is it possible to downgrade to the previous version ? |
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| 14:08.42 | cantido | karlk: ooo 3.1 is sid isn't it? you should be able to downgrade to testing |
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| 14:09.04 | cantido | karlk: or if it's moved to testing already you'll need to get snapshot |
| 14:09.10 | mphill | anyone have any clue why with a fresh install of debian, my max internet speed in 40kB/s. It's a really new chipset, I think its related to that. |
| 14:09.28 | cirzgamanti | hi, any idea when X 1.6 will be in testing? |
| 14:09.33 | karlk | its moved to testing... where could i get snapshot of previous oo ? |
| 14:09.47 | cirzgamanti | mphill: what chipset? |
| 14:09.52 | cantido | mphill: you only have 512kbit connection? |
| 14:10.02 | karlk | grrr never update a working system.... |
| 14:10.08 | mphill | cirzgamanti: its an nvidia, i have a 15mbps connection |
| 14:10.16 | cirzgamanti | what nvidia? |
| 14:10.31 | mphill | let me try to find it |
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| 14:10.54 | _AnywhereIs_ | mphill: how did you test connection speed? with different sites? or single? |
| 14:11.02 | cantido | karlk: snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:11.11 | mphill | _AnywhereIs_: many sites |
| 14:11.40 | cantido | mphill: how is the modem connected? are you using pppoe? etc etc |
| 14:12.09 | mphill | its a ASUS P5N7A-VM 775 GF9300 RTL |
| 14:12.40 | cantido | hitting a few websites isn't a great test |
| 14:12.46 | mphill | its a cable modem, i use pfSense for a router, my ubuntu box can pull data at over 1.5MB/s no problem |
| 14:13.07 | cantido | mphill: have you tested local traffic? |
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| 14:13.38 | karlk | hmm, thanks for snapshot.debian.net, i'll try to get the old version, any easy way to resolve dependencies ? |
| 14:13.42 | cantido | mphill: scp a big file to the ubuntu machine or something |
| 14:13.43 | mphill | cantido: i wget'd a freebsd iso from the two system from the same ip, one was 40kB/s, the other was about a megabyte per second |
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| 14:14.13 | phogg | wow, there are a lot of open aptitude bugs |
| 14:14.25 | mphill | also, i am doing debian updates, I know for a fact they use round robin dns for ftp.us.debian.org |
| 14:14.49 | cantido | mphill: ftping something from the internet involes all of your network. You say it's your NIC, so test that local traffic is also slow |
| 14:15.18 | mphill | cantido: I will, updates have be funning for a few hours |
| 14:15.35 | cantido | mphill: s/involes/involves/ |
| 14:15.50 | cantido | mphill: if you're getting decent speeds locally it probably isn't your NIC |
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| 14:16.48 | mphill | cantido: I already swapped the nics |
| 14:17.03 | _AnywhereIs_ | mphill: can you get something from your pfSense router so test local speed? or something right behind that PC? testing speed LAN may also help find out issue. |
| 14:17.09 | cantido | mphill: and it's the same? |
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| 14:17.19 | mphill | cantido: I have a e1000 pci express card, some shitty netgear 100 |
| 14:17.25 | mphill | both fail |
| 14:17.36 | mphill | maybe its ipv6 related? |
| 14:17.38 | cantido | mphill: the e1000 should be well supported, the netgear could be anything |
| 14:17.40 | _AnywhereIs_ | both same speed? |
| 14:17.40 | mrrcp | When booting up my pc says : Grub loading stage 1.5. - Grub loading, please wait... Error 18 . Is there a fix for this? |
| 14:17.47 | rgr | trying to connect to phpmyadmin on my lan server using iceweasel it keeps saying "cant connect as user" where "user" is a login that used to be valud. I deleted all cookies and passwords in iceweasel but its still happening. Why is it trying to auto connect? I can connect via commandline/emacs mysql clients with no problem. |
| 14:17.48 | mphill | _AnywhereIs_: yes |
| 14:17.58 | _AnywhereIs_ | motherboard issue maybe. |
| 14:18.04 | _AnywhereIs_ | no idea... |
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| 14:18.32 | _AnywhereIs_ | so you put external network card into PCI and gain same speed? ^_0 |
| 14:18.40 | cantido | wonders why traceroute etc exist |
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| 14:19.06 | mrrcp | When booting up my pc says : Grub loading stage 1.5. - Grub loading, please wait... Error 18 . Is there a fix for this? |
| 14:19.22 | cantido | mrrcp: have you researched what error 18 means? |
| 14:20.37 | cantido | _AnywhereIs_: The nic is probably working fine.. it's more likely to be some routing issue |
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| 14:20.59 | _AnywhereIs_ | cantido: i think it has something to do with pfSense... imo :/ |
| 14:21.11 | _AnywhereIs_ | i had some problems with it once. |
| 14:21.38 | cantido | yup, that's why he needs to test some traffic on the same network first ;) |
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| 14:21.50 | _AnywhereIs_ | i use debian lenny + iptables on pentium 1 as a router works fine ;D |
| 14:22.10 | _AnywhereIs_ | gotta go |
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| 14:22.56 | jamon | mrrcp: make a small partition for /boot |
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| 14:24.10 | jamon | mrrcp: grub error codes are well documented on the interwebs |
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| 14:25.00 | cantido | jamon: there's a wiki page with solutions to this and most other common grub issues about 4 results down if you google "grub error 18", some people don't even try ;) |
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| 14:25.37 | cantido | actually, no, I lied; It's the first result. |
| 14:25.46 | jamon | cantido: yep |
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| 14:27.28 | mrrcp | cantido ; yes and i dunno |
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| 14:28.23 | farhad_hf | hi , i've installed nvidia driver ver.173.14.20 from sid repository , but it has a bug ( does not show icons of system tray - kde 4.3.0 ) , is there any repository that provides an older version of this driver? |
| 14:28.26 | simeon | I think my aptitude markauto data is broken, how can I reset the auto flag for my installed packages to a good default? I cant set all to makrauto otherwise all will get deinstalled. |
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| 14:30.12 | karlk | hmm it seems snapshots.debian.net only contains versions from the stable repository ? |
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| 14:30.45 | cantido | karlk: I thought there was testing and unstable there too |
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| 14:31.58 | karlk | well i cant find a oo version > 2.4 |
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| 14:33.25 | cantido | karlk: if you look at packages.debian.org it'll tell you when that got uploaded, then half way down the snapshot.debian.net page it tells you what lines to add to sources.list to get packages from that date |
| 14:33.26 | karlk | the one i want is 3.0.1-9 |
| 14:33.44 | karlk | ok, will try, thanks |
| 14:34.01 | cantido | there's probably some simple way, I've only needed it once though |
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| 14:34.35 | pingouin | what one would run to backup website/mysql databases from a serveur to another distant server by ftp, something kiss style ? |
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| 14:34.57 | pingouin | bacula is for backuping CIA servers, not for me |
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| 14:35.11 | cantido | likes backupninja |
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| 14:35.40 | cantido | I think it has the ability to create mysql backups |
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| 14:35.56 | StianM | Any masters in bluetooth dongles in here. I got a problem I don't know how to solve without a reinstall. |
| 14:36.30 | pingouin | cantido: yep i'm reading about it right now, thanks for the clue |
| 14:36.38 | cantido | StianM: The only thing you could fix with a reinstall is the bluetooth support packages.. which you could just purge |
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| 14:38.51 | cantido | duplicity is also good at ftp backups, but the backups it creates are directly usable |
| 14:38.58 | fxiny | yes |
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| 14:39.36 | cantido | s/are/aren't/ |
| 14:39.49 | mphill | cantido: same with a internal scp. I was running ubuntu on it and I was getting full sleep. Internal SCP is currently going at 15kB/s |
| 14:40.00 | mphill | now down to 8 |
| 14:40.20 | cantido | mphill: ok, have you used traceroute? |
| 14:40.20 | mphill | basically modem speeds on a gigabit network, fresh install |
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| 14:40.34 | mphill | cantido: is it tracepath debian now? |
| 14:40.43 | mphill | i might have to install it which might take a while :\ |
| 14:40.49 | fxiny | ionice -c2 -n7 scp -p ... ? |
| 14:41.08 | project2501a | wtf: has anybody noticed that metacity does not start automatically in sid? |
| 14:41.14 | mphill | cantido: i have tracepath |
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| 14:42.05 | simeon | Howto reset aptitudes automaticall installed packages list? |
| 14:42.33 | StianM | cantino: I have purged the bluetooth packages, it just won't work. |
| 14:42.44 | cantido | simeon: so that it forgets all the automagic installs? + on the installed line |
| 14:43.10 | mphill | cantido: tr on the internal network is just 1 hop |
| 14:43.28 | mphill | maybe i will swap the router |
| 14:43.56 | cantido | mphill: mmm what else have you tried? |
| 14:44.13 | cantido | StianM: what doesn't work? |
| 14:44.30 | simeon | cantido: I dont understand "+ on the installed line" what is that supposed to mean? |
| 14:44.56 | StianM | cantino: bluetooth under kde don't work |
| 14:45.15 | cantido | simeon: on the curses interface, if you press + over the "installed packages" line, it will forget which packages it installed automatically |
| 14:45.48 | mphill | cantido: well, the problem is isolated to debian distros from what I can tell, ubuntu works fine. So its problem something with the kernel i suspect. I have no clue though. i'm going to swap the router |
| 14:46.31 | cantido | mphill: I think you have to do a bit more testing before you can blame the kernel.. it could be one of those ipv6 issues |
| 14:46.43 | cantido | mphill: also, local traffic shouldn't go via the router |
| 14:46.44 | simeon | cantido: ah, okay, thanks. Let me ask my question more precise: my aptitude database is broken and many packages are marked as not automatically installed" I want to reset the database to a sensible state. |
| 14:47.03 | karlk | thanks for your help cantido ! it seems to work, just have to get all the dependencies, gotta run, thanks a lot guys ! |
| 14:47.13 | cantido | simeon: ah, I thought you could have meant that.. I don't think you can |
| 14:47.46 | simeon | cantido: can you give me the result of aptitude search '!~M~i' | awk '{print $2}' from your system please? |
| 14:47.54 | cantido | simeon: marking the whole libs section as automatic is probably 50% of the work, but there's no way to fix the rest. Unless aptitude keeps backups somewhere |
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| 14:48.43 | simeon | cantido: I think the system is to old and that the default for packages was to get not automatically installed when it was introduced (i.e. when the I (my friend) started using aptitude) |
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| 14:50.45 | cantido | simeon: The only packages that aptitude seems to understand must be installed are the essential ones.. you have to mark the others yourself if you didn't install them with aptitude/recent version of apt-get |
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| 14:52.52 | StianM | cantino: I removed laptop option from tasksel because I had problems with APMD turning off my wireless, I had to manualy reinstall my bluetooth and networkmanafer after this and now it seams like kdebluetooth can not see the device. It's like something else is blocking it and using it. Typing "hcitool scan" can find my phone tough. |
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| 14:56.02 | cantido | StianM: kde3+kbluetooth? |
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| 14:57.15 | humbolt1 | promise fasttrack tx2300 or software raid? |
| 14:58.31 | cantido | humbolt1: if you have enough SATA connectors software raid will probably be fine for you |
| 14:59.15 | humbolt1 | it's not about fine, it's about better? |
| 14:59.33 | humbolt1 | and my question is, if this promise card is WELL supported in linux |
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| 14:59.57 | cantido | humbolt1: some places say that modern machines are fast enough to do the calculations themselves, some say otherwise |
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| 15:00.17 | humbolt1 | I'd prefer to use the card, since I only have to deal with one raid drive then, instead of taking care of bootloaders on both disk and the such |
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| 15:00.47 | cantido | grub install handles installing to md devices just fine |
| 15:00.54 | GhostlyDeath | Promise has drivers for your device |
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| 15:01.06 | humbolt1 | cantido: question is, if the cards actually do the calculations themselves. do not fully understand the term software raid |
| 15:01.27 | bob489 | hi, i'm in the process of building a new i7 box... does anyone know if debian has any issues w/ the chipset used? |
| 15:01.32 | humbolt1 | I mean, the SATA RAIDs actually being fakeraids/software raids |
| 15:01.33 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?productID=137&category=all&os=100 |
| 15:01.38 | ryx | On an nfs-mounted filesystem I can't write to files belonging to the same user and numerical uid (unless I set them o+w). Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 15:02.00 | GhostlyDeath | ryx: Who owns the current directory? |
| 15:02.01 | cantido | humbolt1: fakeraid seems to be that the controller basically just holds the raid config and all the work is done on the processor |
| 15:02.14 | ryx | GhostlyDeath: uid 1000 |
| 15:02.21 | cantido | humbolt1: none of this really matters for RAID1 though |
| 15:02.23 | humbolt1 | GhostlyDeath: the drivers are supplied by the distribution, I see the module being loaded. My question is about reliability and which path is the one promising less workload. |
| 15:02.25 | GhostlyDeath | ryx: rwx? |
| 15:02.27 | humbolt1 | for myself |
| 15:02.30 | ryx | yes |
| 15:02.33 | StianM | cantido: kde4+bluetooth. I doubt it's broken packages since my system was up to date befour I did the romoval of laptop tool's |
| 15:03.03 | cantido | StianM: mmm the kde4 bluetooth stuff was all broken last time I saw anything about it |
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| 15:03.36 | GhostlyDeath | ryx: You using NFS as that user? |
| 15:03.36 | humbolt1 | cantido: so the actually work is done by sata_promise or the raid10 module. |
| 15:03.37 | cantido | StianM: when you removed the laptop task you probably removed some kio or something that kdebluetooth needs |
| 15:03.52 | ryx | GhostlyDeath: yes, though I mounted it as root |
| 15:04.02 | humbolt1 | cantido: and the controller just gives me the advantage, that I can configure my raid in bios?! |
| 15:04.19 | cantido | humbolt1: what controller was it again? |
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| 15:05.10 | humbolt1 | cantido: promise fasttrack tx2300 |
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| 15:05.54 | GhostlyDeath | ryx: Not sure, sorry |
| 15:06.22 | cantido | Promise FastTrak TX2300/TX2200 (2-port) and TX4300/TX4200 (4-port) RAID SATA-II PCI cards â fakeraid. |
| 15:06.33 | ryx | GhostlyDeath: thanks for trying |
| 15:06.34 | cantido | from some SATA on linux page |
| 15:06.42 | humbolt1 | cantido: says Native Command Queuing (NCQ), SATA Tagged Command Queuing (TCQ) |
| 15:06.53 | cantido | humbolt1: sooo.. that card is basically some SATA ports and not much more |
| 15:06.58 | humbolt1 | cantido: so in real, the raid10 module is doing the work |
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| 15:07.07 | cantido | humbolt1: a lot of SATA interfaces support that stuff |
| 15:07.44 | humbolt1 | cantido: and it is just the config being stored on the card instead of in the superblock |
| 15:07.46 | humbolt1 | ? |
| 15:08.22 | cantido | humbolt1: yup |
| 15:08.45 | cantido | humbolt1: and its probably better for that to be nice linux format than some vendor format |
| 15:09.14 | StianM | cantino: |
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| 15:09.41 | dbbolton | which package(s) do i need to install to be able to export mp3s from audacity |
| 15:10.21 | StianM | cantino:As far as I can see all the kio plugins are installed now and still no bluetooth. I will try to google what kio stuff bluetooth neads |
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| 15:11.42 | Hobbes` | StianM what version of bluez are you using ? |
| 15:11.44 | mphill | is the installer kernel a different version than what is installed. I find it odd the installer finds both my cards, but once installed it only sees the on board card. |
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| 15:13.09 | Hobbes` | mphill the installer might use a slightly older kernel |
| 15:13.51 | mphill | i must be witnessing some type of anomaly then |
| 15:14.31 | StianM | Hobbes: bluez is 4.42-2 |
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| 15:15.15 | bob489 | no one answers.. hehe.. i'm downloading windows 7 |
| 15:15.17 | Hobbes` | StianM there were a lot of changes between bluez 3.x to 4.x |
| 15:15.47 | Hobbes` | 4.x uses dbus extensively |
| 15:15.58 | fxiny | bob489: http://www.bash.org/?152037 |
| 15:16.00 | fxiny | :P |
| 15:16.19 | riot | how do i switch an installed debian from lvm to without-lvm? I already created a new hdd and copied both /boot and / to their respective new partitions. |
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| 15:17.22 | Hobbes` | riot fix fstab to use the new partitions and you should be set |
| 15:17.40 | Hobbes` | you might have to install grub again |
| 15:17.44 | riot | hm, okay |
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| 15:18.44 | riot | virtualbox, ftw. |
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| 15:20.36 | riot | nope, it tries to integrate the volume group and hangs |
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| 15:20.49 | riot | (didn't find them..) |
| 15:21.03 | bob489 | fxiny: linux is good for my old p4.. but i am trying to find out if i will be entering kernel hell when i try to load debian (prob testing) on my new box |
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| 15:24.45 | hjb | Hi. What's the difference between mpd and xmms2? |
| 15:25.10 | hjb | Their description sounds quite equally |
| 15:25.10 | Faithful | How do you calculate the offset in memory space between two particular values? |
| 15:25.37 | hjb | both client/server audio players |
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| 15:27.06 | deuterium | hia |
| 15:27.15 | StianM | Hobbes: It look like I got all dbus packages I could nead. I can not imagine I would nead any more, but sugestions are wellcome |
| 15:27.29 | deuterium | is there any really good reason for choosing debian instead of ubuntu for a server? |
| 15:27.53 | azeem | !why debian |
| 15:27.53 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 15:31.08 | humbolt1 | cantido: Native Command Queuing (NCQ) and SATA Tagged Command Queuing (TCQ) capabilities of the promise controller, does that make any sense for me? |
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| 15:31.59 | deuterium | azeem: the same applies to ubuntu. i'm wondering about the differences between the two that make one or another the better choice for a server. |
| 15:32.15 | deuterium | s/another/the other/ |
| 15:32.15 | xxtjaxx | hey where can i get akonadictl packages? |
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| 15:32.22 | azeem | deuterium: you should probably research that yourself with your specific requirements in mind |
| 15:32.40 | _AnywhereIs_ | ++ debian == server OS |
| 15:32.59 | cantido | humbolt1: you should be able to use those features without out using RAID.. |
| 15:33.12 | fxiny | bob489: still running a PII:) |
| 15:33.18 | humbolt1 | cantido: |
| 15:33.22 | humbolt1 | cantido: k |
| 15:33.25 | humbolt1 | ok |
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| 15:33.41 | _AnywhereIs_ | im not so sure i could run ubuntu on pentium 1. debian lenny runs well on my P I, 200mhz, using 32 mb RAM ;) |
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| 15:34.56 | deuterium | afaik, ubuntu can use all debian sources.list entries, right? |
| 15:35.21 | cantido | deuterium: I think that results in a broken system |
| 15:35.31 | _AnywhereIs_ | ++ |
| 15:36.04 | deuterium | hm.. so basically the main difference between ubuntu and debian is that debian offers the bigger choice of packages? |
| 15:36.15 | _AnywhereIs_ | i think yes. |
| 15:36.21 | cantido | deuterium: they have bald chap thats been in space. |
| 15:36.29 | fxiny | heheh |
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| 15:36.57 | cantido | oh, and a fetching collection of brown themed stuff |
| 15:36.58 | box | deuterium: ubuntu needs much less configurations |
| 15:37.03 | deuterium | cantido: who's bald chap? |
| 15:37.14 | _AnywhereIs_ | btw i heard debian also fixes security issues with many server software. |
| 15:37.26 | deuterium | box: ok |
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| 15:37.45 | cantido | box: for desktop use maybe |
| 15:38.00 | box | cantido: yep, i'm referring to desktop |
| 15:38.27 | fxiny | plenty of wm |
| 15:38.33 | cantido | if you install the desktop system task from d-i you will just a working desktop system most of the time. |
| 15:38.34 | deuterium | and i think ubuntu has the broader industry support, now, see http://www.ubuntu.com/products/softwarecatalogue |
| 15:38.58 | cantido | deuterium: I think HP recently dropped ubuntu |
| 15:39.07 | cantido | deuterium: but still support debian.. |
| 15:39.24 | fxiny | hp is partthe debian history |
| 15:39.29 | deuterium | cantido: ok, i don't mind too much about hp. more about java things and ruby |
| 15:39.55 | fxiny | i remember two debconf ago , a talk . in scotland |
| 15:40.13 | cantido | deuterium: um,.. unless Ubuntu is now owned by Oracle I don't think there's going to be much ubuntu advantage for Java |
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| 15:40.21 | deuterium | so for servers, ubuntu also requires less configuration than debian? |
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| 15:40.47 | cantido | deuterium: Redhat if anyone has the biggest say in java out of the linux vendors |
| 15:40.50 | deuterium | cantido: ok, ubuntu is not yet owned by oracle, afaik ;) |
| 15:41.10 | deuterium | hm redhat package management s.cks, imho |
| 15:41.19 | xxtjaxx | right |
| 15:41.56 | cantido | deuterium: so does solaris' |
| 15:42.35 | deuterium | yes, and i'd have to learn solaris first. i'm more used to linux. |
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| 15:42.59 | cantido | deuterium: all the software on that list should work equally well on debian |
| 15:43.18 | StianM | Dear Hobbes and cantido: I now have my bluetooth working again, you two have trough your answers leaded me to the conclution I could not make myself in the two past days. It's simply the squeeze packages that are not ready for use yet, I added the lenny repos in my list and reinstalled kdebluetooth and now it seams to work again. Now I only have fbsplash left :) Thanks again |
| 15:43.29 | cantido | would have thought they'd get better copies of the logos to stick on their page.. |
| 15:44.11 | deuterium | http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/webappserver looks suitable for my requirements |
| 15:44.18 | cantido | StianM: When I looked at bluetooth in kde4 I think I read that the advice is to use kde3's version for now |
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| 15:45.26 | deuterium | http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/kernel looks good, too |
| 15:45.28 | cantido | deuterium: all the stuff on those pages is equally achievable on windows you realise |
| 15:45.49 | deuterium | windows? i'll never use that on a server |
| 15:46.00 | cantido | yes, but all that stuff is guff |
| 15:46.38 | cantido | yes, ubuntu's kernel has magic features... the exact same features as every other os that happens to use linux as it's kernel |
| 15:46.42 | deuterium | what about the server optimized kernel? no need to compile an optimized server kernel myself |
| 15:46.45 | jamon | cantido: unfortunately i don't have my laptop booted, but bluetooth with kde4 in squeeze works well for me |
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| 15:47.06 | ugly | I just did an apt-get upgrade on squeeze, and now I receive an error message when starting GNOME that says an error has occurred upon starting the Preferences Administrator daemon ("Did not receive a reply") - is this a known problem? |
| 15:47.13 | cantido | jamon: mmm thats good to know.. the kde3 bluetooth widget wasnt all that great though ;) |
| 15:47.16 | deuterium | cantido: does debian ship with an optimized server kernel? |
| 15:47.24 | StianM | cantido: I will stick to it and be carefull about what I let apt update for me. I don't understand why I did not have this problem befour since I used the kde4 and bluetooth for a mounth. Is not a part of upgrades if you dist-upgrade from lenny? |
| 15:47.24 | cantido | deuterium: there is no such thing |
| 15:47.48 | jamon | cantido: works great for me and any cell phone i've tried it with |
| 15:47.50 | deuterium | cantido: well, i mean scheduling and so on.. there are definitely differences |
| 15:48.04 | jamon | i don't have any other devices to test though |
| 15:48.23 | cantido | deuterium: ubuntu haven't written any of that stuff,.. so there's nothing they have that debian, redhat, suse don't have |
| 15:48.52 | cantido | redhat are more likely to have "different" stuff because they patch everything up to the eye balls. |
| 15:49.15 | deuterium | cantido: yes, but when using debian, i had to compile such an optimized kernel myself (= maintenance hell) |
| 15:49.33 | cantido | jamon: I always managed to browse into my phone .. yay, start copying file, hangs for hours and hours, not so yay :( |
| 15:49.47 | cantido | deuterium: what did you put into that kernel? |
| 15:50.13 | cantido | deuterium: there's no reason the stock kernel shouldn't be used.. it's out there running telcos and all sorts of other shit |
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| 15:50.39 | jamon | cantido: works fine for me, even get the shiny new kde file transfer dialog |
| 15:51.02 | deuterium | cantido: enable a scheduler that's optimized for servers, disable pre-emption, set another interrupt frequency, enable xen/virtualization support etc., right? |
| 15:51.06 | ryx | I found my nfs-problem, turns out it's bug #522926 |
| 15:51.12 | cantido | it'll probably work now, but usb cable is so much faster that it's not worth fixing :) |
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| 15:52.02 | cantido | deuterium: do you even know what a scheduler is? why do you need to disable preemption, you can set things like that at run time, there are xen enabled kernels in debian |
| 15:52.29 | deuterium | at run-time, really? |
| 15:52.36 | deuterium | btw, i'm a computer scientist ;) |
| 15:53.01 | cantido | deuterium: a computer scientist that doesn't now how to use sysctl or use kernel parameters? |
| 15:53.08 | cantido | s/now/know/ |
| 15:53.24 | humbolt1 | when I create partitions on a fakeraid device, where or how do they show up? |
| 15:53.44 | humbolt1 | my fakeraid device shows under /dev/mapper/pdc_something |
| 15:53.45 | cantido | deuterium: btw, according to my degree I'm an internet scientist! |
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| 15:54.03 | deuterium | cantido: i really didn't know i can make linux to use another scheduler at run-time |
| 15:54.24 | cantido | deuterium: which scheduler do you mean? there are a few |
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| 15:54.54 | deuterium | according to the ubuntu page, the deadline i/o scheduler instead of the cfq scheduler |
| 15:55.21 | cantido | deuterium: so i/o schedulers.. you can set them with kernel options passed in by your bootloader |
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| 15:55.37 | deuterium | cantido: ok, interesting |
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| 15:56.08 | deuterium | i used to re-build my kernels from scratch when changing such things (not for everything though) |
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| 15:57.09 | deuterium | so basically, there's no real difference between ubuntu and debian for server use? |
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| 15:58.01 | cantido | deuterium: check out kernel-parameters.txt.. all the stuff you would want to tune is either tuneable there or via proc,sys,sysctl at runtime |
| 15:58.07 | cahoot | deuterium: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-change-io-scheduler-for-harddisk/ |
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| 15:58.27 | deuterium | cantido, cahoot: ok, thanks |
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| 15:59.26 | cantido | deuterium: ubuntu are asking debian to do a freeze so they can get their next release done.. rsync'ing ftp.debian.org to their servers takes a while you see |
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| 16:00.07 | deuterium | just noticed another pretty cool thing in ubuntu: they have a variant tuned for running as a virtual appliance: "ubuntu jeos" (http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos). i guess the same could be achieved with debian, but in debian, it needs a lot of manual work first, whereas ubuntu ships it out-of-the-box. |
| 16:00.14 | daemon | cantido, I heard that they are going to hire extra devs for debian |
| 16:00.29 | daemon | to speed up devel |
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| 16:01.07 | Debolaz | deuterium: Ubuntu likes reducing your workload. :) |
| 16:01.09 | deuterium | i see ubuntu as a commercial-grade derivative of debian |
| 16:01.11 | cantido | daemon: I think the bottom line was that debian devs didn't want to create deadlines as to not damage the bald guy thats been into space's business interests |
| 16:01.25 | daemon | ;) |
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| 16:01.43 | box | is the amd64 exactly the same as x86_64? i installed debian via goodbye-microsoft.com, it installed amd64 on my intel T5870 CPU |
| 16:01.47 | cantido | that jeos thing just sounds like a base install |
| 16:01.49 | deuterium | cantido: bald guy == ubuntu head huncho? |
| 16:01.53 | cantido | box: yes |
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| 16:02.06 | box | cantido: thanks mate |
| 16:02.29 | Debolaz | deuterium: Ubuntu is my prefered Linux distribution for production systems. |
| 16:02.40 | deuterium | Debolaz: ok, thx |
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| 16:03.22 | Debolaz | feels thanked. |
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| 16:03.37 | cantido | deuterium: I think the whole dunktank thing proved that getting money involved in debian causes tons of issues and pissed off people |
| 16:03.42 | daemon | cantido, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/07/shuttleworth_ubuntu_debian/ |
| 16:03.46 | daemon | where I read about it |
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| 16:04.59 | deuterium | cantido: isn't the relation between ubuntu and debian a bit more relaxed by now? i mean, ubuntu is a pretty good thing for end-users and it's based on debian. should make everybody proud :) |
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| 16:05.21 | Debolaz | Angry debian developers... cute. :) |
| 16:05.28 | fxiny | some debian users don't like ubuntu at all |
| 16:05.36 | mrrcp | hey in nano my 10 key stopped working... what did i press for it to do this? |
| 16:05.43 | fxiny | proud of what ? i am proud to be a debian user |
| 16:05.49 | cantido | deuterium: ah, nothing wrong with it.. it's just people coming in here and saying "it works in ubuntu" and "but it's 100x faster in ubuntu" is really annoying |
| 16:05.56 | fxiny | asa long as debian stick to priciples |
| 16:06.07 | fxiny | to values |
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| 16:06.13 | deuterium | cantido: ok, i see |
| 16:06.15 | daemon | cantido, heh you think thats bad over in ##freebsd we get people wandering in saying 'it works on ubuntu' |
| 16:06.19 | daemon | can you figure that link out? |
| 16:06.26 | zinx | cantido: i'm more annoyed by the ones that come in here saying they have a problem, and it ends up being an ubuntu problem that has never existed in Debian |
| 16:06.31 | jamon | daemon: foss |
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| 16:06.45 | cantido | daemon: ubuntu is based on unix isn't it?? that means it's the same!! |
| 16:07.06 | Debolaz | fxiny: I wouldn't really have looked twice at debian if it weren't for ubuntu leading me there. Not because Debian was so horrible, but I had more confidence in FreeBSD than most Linux distributions in general. And confidence is important to have in a product you want to use in production. |
| 16:07.07 | shoebox | lol |
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| 16:07.20 | cantido | zinx: totally, it's not so much the thing but the few idiots that use it |
| 16:07.25 | daemon | cantido, Please don't im having flash backs of a certain gentleman that believes seem as his friend was using some open source windows media player it would work not online on frebsd, but linux and mac as well |
| 16:07.31 | fxiny | but , i think many debian users are concerned , reading the.register.co.uk , i'm quite sure |
| 16:07.46 | shoebox | cantido: so os x and debian are the same, right? |
| 16:07.49 | daemon | not only* |
| 16:08.05 | cantido | shoebox: yup, osx is also freebsd |
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| 16:08.24 | fxiny | Debolaz: to me , debian is a myth , it means culture . as i always say i am a user |
| 16:08.37 | mrrcp | hey in nano my 10 key stopped working... what did i press for it to do this? |
| 16:08.46 | Debolaz | I've found most hostility in such situations is due to elitism though. "Unworthy people are starting to use the same systems I am! hulk angry!" |
| 16:09.21 | cantido | Debolaz: there are a lot of people that shouldn't be using computers at all that have installed ubuntu though |
| 16:09.33 | fxiny | nothing to do with hostility : ubuntu flooded the news with ads , ads and more ads . is built on that |
| 16:09.38 | cantido | Debolaz: people that can't read what's on their own screen |
| 16:10.02 | fxiny | debian was builded under a HP desk |
| 16:10.02 | shoebox | people who think debian and os x are the same. |
| 16:10.12 | daemon | is ubuntu anything different than a pre configured debian box? |
| 16:10.20 | zinx | daemon: yes |
| 16:10.28 | zinx | daemon: they have different package management policies |
| 16:10.33 | daemon | ok |
| 16:10.41 | zinx | daemon: a lot of their packages work differently too |
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| 16:10.59 | cantido | hence ubuntu stuff can't really be supported here :) |
| 16:11.18 | daemon | I really should try ubuntu one day to see what all the big fuss is about |
| 16:11.21 | Debolaz | cantido: Why shouldn't they be using computers? Why shouldn't ordinary people without special skills be allowed near a computer? Making it easier for them to use Linux isn't at the expense of more advanced users, it's to their benefit. The more people, and the more money coming in, the better the system in general will get. Also, this is precisely what I'm talking about when I say elitism. |
| 16:11.49 | cantido | Debolaz: my opinion is that most people shouldn't be using complex operating systems.. they should be using appliances |
| 16:12.02 | shoebox | daemon: orange, shinny backgrounds |
| 16:12.57 | mavhc | they should be using chromeos or something |
| 16:13.10 | Debolaz | The interface to an operating system doesn't have to be complex, especially if the only purpose of keeping it complex is to discourage newbies, as is unfortunately often the argument made for keeping it that way. |
| 16:13.16 | cantido | Debolaz: current systems + inexperienced (not stupid or anything like that) == disaster |
| 16:14.17 | daemon | I dont really mind what level of expertise a user is at, with whatever operating systems they use. As long as when they are searching for help they are friendly & polite. And go about their search in a non invasive or irritating way |
| 16:14.18 | cantido | Debolaz: does ubuntu really make it that much simplier? |
| 16:14.42 | mavhc | a simple interface to a complex system means a more complex system though |
| 16:14.48 | deuterium | i think that the release focus of ubuntu is actually a thing that also benefits debian, though it tends to p-off debian devs. but that's just my opinion. |
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| 16:14.53 | DrizztDoUrden | Ahoy |
| 16:14.59 | shoebox | oh, yes. Ubuntu makes it a lot simpler. |
| 16:15.06 | DrizztDoUrden | err |
| 16:15.17 | DrizztDoUrden | This is a little off topic, but: Does anyone have a spare, Heroes of Newerth beta key I could have? I would love to try it on this system. :o |
| 16:15.25 | DrizztDoUrden | sorry in advance ;-/ |
| 16:15.34 | mavhc | the solution for 90% of people is: here's a managed computer, we update it, and you can add any of the apps on this list, that's it |
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| 16:15.38 | deuterium | btw guys, i really didn't want to start a flame war here.. i like both debian and ubuntu very much |
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| 16:15.46 | cantido | mavhc: sounds right to me |
| 16:15.53 | DrizztDoUrden | they both rock |
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| 16:16.11 | Debolaz | cantido: Let's say for the sake of argument that the interface is the equivalent of a minefield. Putting people without knowledge about where to go in this minefield would indeed probably have negative consequences, however, the correct solution to this problem is to remove the mines. This doesn't imply removing "advanced" functionality, it just implies organizing it better so that people aren't likely to wreck their system by accident. That is unfortu |
| 16:16.12 | Debolaz | nately another common misconception, that lowering the treshhold always must mean reducing functionality. |
| 16:16.23 | cantido | mavhc: most people could survive with those 5 button netbook distros and they would live happy |
| 16:16.33 | shoebox | deuterium: don't worry. To irc standards this is a love fest. |
| 16:16.43 | mavhc | apparently they sent them back, can't work "not windows" |
| 16:16.45 | deuterium | shoebox: :D |
| 16:16.57 | daemon | deuterium, its really a flame war when death threats and riots start ;) |
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| 16:17.14 | deuterium | daemon: hehe, hope it doesn't get that far ;) |
| 16:17.31 | daemon | shouldn't do every has an iq of at least 100 in here |
| 16:17.32 | Debolaz | cantido: Ubuntu does make certain things simpler. But it can be hard to see, because it's not this huge big feature, but many small things that most "advanced" users probably don't really notice because they've gotten so used to the more clunky alternatives that they really don't see any improvement despite it being quite significant for first-timers. |
| 16:17.44 | DrizztDoUrden | red hat is the best |
| 16:17.47 | fxiny | i don't like a timed release cycle and you know why ? because i like WIR , which means ; a mantainer has a life and does things when he can , the user like me shut the f* up and wait . what the user gets from this ? he gets a better quality ! |
| 16:18.33 | Debolaz | cantido: The new notification system is a very good example of this. It makes notifications a lot more pleasant to deal with, even if it might not appear as a big feature. |
| 16:18.36 | manish__ | fxiny , i agree |
| 16:18.36 | cantido | Debolaz: mmm if ubuntu is the example of making things easier, it's not a good example really. They've added a preconfigured sudo so that when something doesn't work you sudo it, you don't learn that you can break stuff just that if Mr machine doesn't do as told you hit with sudo |
| 16:18.43 | shoebox | Unfortunately, mavhc is right. People do send back Ubuntu and ask for Windows. I've seen many sellers saying that. |
| 16:19.11 | cantido | Debolaz: gnome etc are the same as debian with some shortcuts and bits added.. woop |
| 16:19.15 | fxiny | manish__: thank you , somethimes i think i'm having a nightmare |
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| 16:19.32 | cantido | fxiny: do things right or not at all ;) |
| 16:19.35 | Debolaz | cantido: But details matter. Or rather, realizing that details matter matters. :) |
| 16:19.38 | daemon | cantido, so how long you estimate till there is a worm targetting all these security concoious ubuntu users, with there pre configured security hazard os's |
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| 16:20.08 | cantido | daemon: when they have a userbase worth targetting I suppose |
| 16:20.47 | daemon | cantido, I thought it was getting quite large, I heard rumours although unsure about this, that they have 3% of the world userbase |
| 16:20.56 | Trewas | cantido: gnome is actually one of those things ubuntu packages from scratch independently from debian (their release schedule is after all tied to gnome's schedule) |
| 16:21.00 | cantido | daemon: when that happens #debian will be flooded with people saying "I went and downloaded something, and it told me to sudo it and now my computer is broken" |
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| 16:21.08 | daemon | :) |
| 16:21.09 | Debolaz | cantido: When one approaches the issue of improvement with "real men don't need this stinkin feature, they should learn to do it the harder way", one will fail in the long run. Improvements to a distribution should be made in *all* areas, not every place except that relevant to newbies. |
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| 16:21.29 | fxiny | cantido: as someone always says : debian can do it better :) |
| 16:22.06 | Debolaz | It must also be understood that I'm not arguing that Debian becomes more like Ubuntu, that is not what I'm saying. Debian and Ubuntu has somewhat different goals; What I'm saying is that the success of Ubuntu is a good thing for Debian, not a bad thing. |
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| 16:23.18 | Trewas | Debolaz: I agree, and many of the ubuntu's developers (paid by canonical) are also debian developers and they also improve debian as part of their paid work... everyone wins :) |
| 16:23.20 | cantido | Debolaz: mmmm I basically think that you shouldn't make computers easier, because they're complex things.. anyhow people should be saying ubuntu is good because of valid good features, not shit like my mouse moves quicker or "it's easier" |
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| 16:23.56 | daemon | my mouse moves quicker? lol |
| 16:24.13 | cantido | my windows move faster in ubuntu, debian is shit blah |
| 16:24.18 | shoebox | The thing is: users get a pre-configured system like Ubuntu, and try to customize it with things they find cool, and then complain it doesn't work. |
| 16:24.31 | mavhc | if apple's fabled tablet runs iphoneOS, locked down, approved apps, that'll be interesting to see |
| 16:24.51 | mavhc | shoebox: users you hear from anyway |
| 16:25.23 | shoebox | Of course. I can only hear for myself. |
| 16:25.47 | netbook2009 | i am right now testing debianEeePCLive on my netbook and its is quite nice, the only problem is that even though my ralink built in wifi is recognised, i can not associate with the ap |
| 16:25.48 | mavhc | people who don't mess it up don't complain/ask for help |
| 16:26.44 | shoebox | For instance, they install Ubuntu, then see someone using Compiz, and try to install it. Then they need to install the proprietay drivers for their graphic cards, and then add some options to xorg.conf by hand. |
| 16:26.44 | cantido | reading the ubuntu site is liking reading a leaflet about some wonder drug, which is a bit sad really :/ |
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| 16:27.06 | mavhc | if you sell something not as a computer, more like a phone they'll expect it to be more locked down, should come with a sealed envelope with the root password in marked "tear here to lose support" |
| 16:27.20 | shoebox | In other systems, they would just get the program and click "Next" 10 times. Done. |
| 16:27.40 | netbook2009 | i have to say that i boot from an sd card because my 256 mb usb pendrive was a bit small for the image |
| 16:27.42 | daemon | mavhc, nothing that single user mode cant fix ;) |
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| 16:28.09 | mavhc | is there any closed source app on linux that doesn't suck? always hear of problems with flash, gpu drivers, etc |
| 16:28.47 | cantido | mavhc: if all the current gen consoles had good enough browsers for facebook and youtube a lot of people would never touch a real computer again ;) |
| 16:29.05 | shoebox | That's 'cause few people use it. Flash is, indeed, slower in Linux. |
| 16:29.32 | mavhc | once they've worked out you can use hdmi instead of scart so can read the text |
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| 16:30.33 | cantido | netbook2009: are you able to see other wifi networks? |
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| 16:31.40 | Titan8990 | mavhc, not many |
| 16:32.08 | cantido | mavhc: on the closed source stuff.. if it doesn't suck now, it will in a years time when it doesn't work with current libraries and the vendor has legged it :/ |
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| 16:32.17 | Titan8990 | mavhc, outside of games there is some good commercial backup and remote admin products |
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| 16:32.29 | netbook2009 | cantido: yes i am |
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| 16:33.08 | cantido | netbook2009: ok, so you have the right drivers/firmware.. what happens when you try to connect? |
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| 16:33.12 | Titan8990 | mavhc, specifically, things like acronis, cpanel, and vmware workstation |
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| 16:36.00 | cantido | Titan8990: cpanel support debian now? |
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| 16:36.31 | kazzy | is debian ever going to get "proper" multiarch support? |
| 16:36.33 | netbook2009 | i am right now testing debianEeePCLive on my netbook but do i need firmware for my built in ralink rt2860? the wifi was recognised out of the box but can not associate with my ap |
| 16:36.36 | linhis | i'm tryin to add a second domain to my debian server |
| 16:36.46 | linhis | >and i want it to point to /var/www/abc |
| 16:36.55 | linhis | >how do i do it?? |
| 16:37.09 | cantido | netbook2009: if you can scan for networks it suggests you have the right drivers and any needed firmware |
| 16:37.21 | cantido | netbook2009: see if theres anything in dmesg |
| 16:37.34 | cantido | linhis: what server? |
| 16:37.47 | Titan8990 | cantido, the question was "on linux", but i never knew they didn't |
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| 16:38.10 | netbook2009 | cantido: ok will check dmesg |
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| 16:38.29 | cantido | Titan8990: IIRC they either don't support debian, or their cpanel bit is basically a distro in a chroot.. the chroot thing is just scary |
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| 16:39.13 | x1user | Hello, i am thinking of installing debian, i am a slackware user. Can some give some hints, ant thoughts on the both OSs. |
| 16:39.13 | linhis | cantido:linode |
| 16:39.30 | cantido | linhis: what webserver.. apache? |
| 16:39.36 | Titan8990 | cantido, you are probably thinking of openvz. Openvz is the virtualization/chroot that companies often sell as VPS's and allow users to control the VPS via cpanel |
| 16:39.42 | shoebox | x1user: yes. debian.org |
| 16:39.43 | linhis | cantido:ya apache |
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| 16:39.53 | Titan8990 | cantido, but there are free panels out there too |
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| 16:40.03 | x1user | shoebox: why debian is better than slackware |
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| 16:40.15 | cantido | linhis: if you look in /etc/apache2/ you should have two directorys for configuring sites |
| 16:40.17 | Titan8990 | cantido, forget the name of the one my last VPS had.... |
| 16:40.49 | cantido | linhis: if you look at the readme/the default site there you should be able to work out how to create another site |
| 16:40.49 | shoebox | x1user: who knows? Really, I wasn't being sarcastic, there lots of tips there and on the wiki. |
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| 16:41.01 | hoxu | !ops jabans spamming, repeat offender |
| 16:41.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: jabans spamming, repeat offender |
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| 16:41.38 | cantido | s/directorys/directories/ |
| 16:42.42 | humbolt1 | when I partition md0, where and how do these partitions show up? as what? /dev/md0_0?? |
| 16:43.08 | cantido | md0 should be made of partitions |
| 16:43.26 | cantido | if you want to split md0 up into smaller units use LVM |
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| 16:45.59 | humbolt1 | cantido: I am trying to determine, which way is best in terms of sync time, ... |
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| 16:46.28 | humbolt1 | cantido: somebody once told me, it is better to have more smaller raid devices |
| 16:46.44 | cantido | humbolt1: you know you can have multiple md devices on one real disk right |
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| 16:47.10 | humbolt1 | lets say if I want to host 3 diferent linux versions on the raid, I could have three raid mds or one and lvm or normal partitions on it |
| 16:47.11 | cantido | humbolt1: so by smaller raid devices they mean md0, md1, etc.. not putting another partition table install md0 |
| 16:47.39 | humbolt1 | cantido: yes, exactly that |
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| 16:48.20 | cantido | humbolt1: ex; RAID1, two real disks:- sda, sdb ... create partitions sda1, sda2, sdb1, sdb2 .. create md0 from sda1 and sb2, create md1 from sdb1 and sdb2 |
| 16:48.25 | humbolt1 | portability is also an issue |
| 16:48.40 | humbolt1 | if I want to move the raid/lvm set to another machine |
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| 16:49.04 | humbolt1 | where the disks reside under different bios ids possibly |
| 16:49.07 | cantido | I'm not sure how installers would handle being installed into a preexisting setup like that.. |
| 16:49.08 | linhis | cantido: we will have to create a different file for a new site |
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| 16:49.46 | cantido | linhis: you need to create a vhost with that domain and point it's documentroot at your new directory |
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| 16:50.10 | cantido | linhis: if you use the layout debian provides you can enable/disable sites in a sensible way |
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| 16:50.51 | linhis | cantido:it can luk like below i guess?? |
| 16:50.58 | linhis | cantido:<VirtualHost *:80> |
| 16:51.00 | linhis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.01 | linhis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.03 | linhis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.04 | linhis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.06 | linhis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.08 | linhis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.09 | linhis | </VirtualHost> |
| 16:51.14 | cantido | humbolt1: you could be able to copy the raid somewhere else.. I think it works on uuid's embedded into the partitions |
| 16:51.22 | [RO]Sebby | #hi i wonna install Debian on an old P3 and i only have CD ROM no DVD, i was wondering wich CD image i have to burn to install DEBIAN, i saw that are up tp 31 images |
| 16:51.42 | cantido | linhis: yes, but that *:80 needs changing, as it is that will catch everything |
| 16:52.01 | raz0 | [RO]Sebby, You can do a net install. |
| 16:52.18 | cantido | [RO]Sebby: you only need the first one, or one of the smaller images like netinst and business cd will do |
| 16:52.23 | [RO]Sebby | yeah.. but i`m using ppoe |
| 16:52.23 | raz0 | That's what I always doo. Seems to be the easiest |
| 16:52.54 | [RO]Sebby | i wonna use debian as server to route internet to a desktop pc and run a dc++ hub |
| 16:53.00 | cantido | humbolt1: s/could/should/ ;) |
| 16:53.14 | cantido | [RO]Sebby: perfectly possible |
| 16:53.40 | [RO]Sebby | i tried the 180MB image and didn`t worked it asked me for the right CD |
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| 16:53.57 | raz0 | You mean the netinst? |
| 16:54.01 | cantido | [RO]Sebby: where is it ask you that? |
| 16:54.19 | [RO]Sebby | the installer |
| 16:54.26 | [RO]Sebby | the debian installet |
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| 16:55.01 | cantido | the only time I've seen anything like that is when booting an AMD64 image on a machine that doesn't have 64bit extensions |
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| 16:55.24 | linhis | cantido:to what should i change it to?? |
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| 16:56.38 | cantido | linhis: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/ -- take a look at that |
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| 16:58.43 | intx | anyone know where I can configure or show the options for a realtek nic on linux? (e.g. green mode, transmission buffer sizes, etc.)? |
| 16:59.36 | amphi | intx: modinfo <module_name> will show args the driver accepts, if that's what you mean |
| 17:00.17 | cantido | intx: transmission buffers could be a generic thing.. if greenmode is something you can configure dynamically it could be anywhere. you might need a special tool |
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| 17:00.53 | intx | where would I start? |
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| 17:01.38 | intx | amphi: thanks |
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| 17:02.02 | cantido | intx: also look at ethtool |
| 17:02.15 | project2501a | hey guys, my CPU is running at 100% which is making the fan spin fast and me crazy, cuz it's loud. |
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| 17:02.24 | intx | cantido: thanks :) |
| 17:02.29 | project2501a | what would the cause be? clues, please? |
| 17:02.47 | cantido | project2501a: you've checked top? |
| 17:03.08 | project2501a | cantido: aye, cpu utilization is minimum. |
| 17:03.15 | project2501a | i'm thinking maybe it's apmd |
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| 17:04.02 | project2501a | win |
| 17:04.05 | project2501a | apmd is not runnign |
| 17:04.23 | cantido | maybe it's just hot? |
| 17:04.35 | project2501a | for no good reason? |
| 17:04.47 | project2501a | NICE |
| 17:04.57 | project2501a | "no apm support in kernel" |
| 17:05.05 | cantido | this machine is always hot, even when it's throttled right down |
| 17:05.21 | cantido | no one makes board with apm anymore, at least I think they don't |
| 17:05.22 | project2501a | i'm on a laptop mate |
| 17:05.33 | cantido | is on a laptop too |
| 17:06.12 | sy | i had network trouble while installing debian with the netinst iso, only the very very basic packages are installed, can i restart the installation process and pick up from where it left off ? installing all the packages X, web server eetc ? |
| 17:06.12 | sy | i don't even have the 'less' binary |
| 17:06.20 | project2501a | fuck, where's the apm support int he kernel |
| 17:06.20 | macrobat | why is there a /etc/apm directory? |
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| 17:06.31 | cantido | sy: sounds like the install worked |
| 17:07.07 | cantido | sy: you can install X etc from the system it installed, just fire up aptitude |
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| 17:07.51 | sy | well, there are a lot of packages to install to get a full fledged developement system |
| 17:07.55 | sy | ya know |
| 17:08.03 | mavhc | tasksel? |
| 17:08.11 | cantido | sy: yeah, but you don't have to do that from the installer |
| 17:08.22 | sy | i'd like to know the packages selections the install would have used |
| 17:08.42 | cantido | sy: you could have if you had read the bit where it says "we will install a base system, pick the extra shit you want below" |
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| 17:08.51 | cantido | sy: tasksel |
| 17:08.59 | cantido | sy: exactly the same thing |
| 17:09.14 | sy | X, webserver, print server, etc, etc |
| 17:09.21 | sy | nah, the installer is nicer than that |
| 17:09.32 | sy | tasksel |
| 17:09.35 | sy | hmm |
| 17:09.41 | cantido | it's the same bloody thing |
| 17:09.59 | cantido | aptitude can also install those tasks |
| 17:09.59 | sy | ok, that's my question, i hope you answered it :) |
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| 17:10.59 | cantido | you'll probably only remove half the stuff those tasks install anyhow |
| 17:11.38 | sy | i mean these debian mirrors work for aq while and then they slow to a crawl |
| 17:11.39 | project2501a | seriously, can i get a clue as what could possibly make the cpu be on 100% all the time? |
| 17:12.19 | cantido | project2501a: have you got cpufreq configured? |
| 17:12.36 | project2501a | hmmmmm |
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| 17:12.54 | cantido | project2501a: whether or not the chip is actually doing useful work, it's always running.. |
| 17:12.54 | project2501a | cantido: i just installed it, so, no. didn't configure it |
| 17:13.12 | project2501a | yeah, but it didn't use to scale at 100% all the tiem |
| 17:13.43 | cantido | project2501a: check the stuff in /sys/devices/system/cpu/ |
| 17:13.58 | sy | project2501a: mozilla and the java/javascript from those porn sites do that |
| 17:14.10 | cantido | project2501a: it's probably that throttling has stopped working |
| 17:14.22 | project2501a | sy: hehehe,not tunning any |
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| 17:15.07 | cantido | does anyone really use porn sites? they seriously haven't heard of usenet? ;p |
| 17:15.29 | sy | yep i get 100KB plus from a mirror and then it plunges to 3.3Kb or less |
| 17:15.32 | sy | sucky |
| 17:15.49 | project2501a | cantido: ok, any clues how to make the throttling work again? |
| 17:15.59 | cantido | sy: I get 1.5MB from the uk mirror all the time and I'm pretty far from there |
| 17:16.34 | cantido | project2501a: if you look in that dir under /sys and cat the right places you should be able to work out whats happening.. governor is probably where you need to look |
| 17:16.50 | project2501a | what's governor? |
| 17:17.01 | cantido | project2501a: maybe the min and max settings, sometimes the min gets set as the chips highest freq. |
| 17:17.19 | cantido | project2501a: the module that decides when to run full speed, when to throttle etc |
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| 17:18.18 | project2501a | closes down opera |
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| 17:22.34 | Bob_Johnson | Hey, |
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| 17:23.07 | Bob_Johnson | I've got an IBM X40 that doesn't appear to be charging the battery, where should I start looking to troubleshoot this problem? |
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| 17:26.48 | keith4_ | Bob_Johnson, ebay |
| 17:28.28 | ajavid | !seen enouf |
| 17:28.28 | dpkg | enouf <~enouf@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6h 17m 55s ago, saying: 'dr|z3d: shame, isn't it?'. |
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| 17:29.56 | lazarus477 | Howdy. I need to ask questions regarding a certain DLink networking device, nothing to do with Debian. Any sugestions on what channel I should voice my question in? |
| 17:30.02 | Bob_Johnson | keith4_: The battery charges when the laptop is off, thanks for the suggestion though |
| 17:30.04 | sy | !seen zophy |
| 17:30.04 | sy | !eat me |
| 17:30.04 | dpkg | zophy <n=sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 13h 27m 8s ago, saying: 'i got this dual dual core xeon just waiting for debian, and i can't do it'. |
| 17:30.04 | dpkg | eats sy, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* and catches Mad Cow Disease |
| 17:30.35 | keith4_ | Bob_Johnson, oh, that's weird |
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| 17:30.40 | craigevil | ajavid: enouf is a vampire he sleeps during the day :) |
| 17:30.42 | Bob_Johnson | Indeed |
| 17:30.54 | ZitZ | what standalone application can I use to capture video from my hauppauge wintv pvr 150? |
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| 17:31.15 | ajavid | hodgepodge win tv |
| 17:31.24 | ZitZ | on linux |
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| 17:31.33 | ajavid | kino? |
| 17:31.41 | sy | xwtv might work |
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| 17:32.05 | keith4_ | i was going to say kino or cinelerra |
| 17:32.09 | sy | i always used xawtv i think |
| 17:32.20 | ZitZ | I tried that xawtv or whatever and it just doesn't work, I'd like a nice gui, i didn't know kino had capture capabilities |
| 17:32.21 | keith4_ | ZitZ, that has a hardware mpeg encoder, no? |
| 17:32.35 | ZitZ | yeah it's a hardware encoder chip on the card |
| 17:32.46 | keith4_ | you can cat the video device to a file, and get an mpeg ;-) |
| 17:32.52 | sy | kwintv |
| 17:32.57 | sy | or sumpin' |
| 17:33.17 | keith4_ | kino can capture over firewire (that's what I use it for). not sure about analog |
| 17:33.33 | ZitZ | keith4_, you mean like cat /dev/video0 >> /home/user/file.mpg ? |
| 17:33.44 | keith4_ | yah, something like that |
| 17:34.02 | keith4_ | you might want to ask in #mythtv-users... i think that's one of the first "troubleshooting" steps for getting those cards working |
| 17:34.30 | ZitZ | yeah, i'm trying to avoid installing the whole mythtv suite though |
| 17:34.39 | keith4_ | ZitZ, although video0 is probably the tv tuner |
| 17:35.11 | keith4_ | looks to me like kino is DV-only |
| 17:35.16 | Bob_Johnson | for firewire I've always used dvgrab |
| 17:35.19 | ZitZ | hmmm, that could be the mistake i'm making, because i want to capture from s-video |
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| 17:36.54 | keith4_ | ZitZ, i think cinelerra can do what you want... but i don't know how to use it, and it's quite complicated |
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| 17:43.28 | SQlvpapir | whats the most handy way to "pipe" fifo over network? I've got plenty of bandwidth.. |
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| 17:44.48 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:45.16 | vitrolic | i don't know |
| 17:45.16 | vitrolic | are you talking about an actual fifo node ? |
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| 17:46.29 | ZitZ | keith4_, thanks it's easy to use the command line to send the output of the card right to a file. It's the best way. |
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| 17:46.40 | ZitZ | thanks for your help |
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| 17:54.30 | ewet | hi, will a security fix for http://www.cert.fi/en/reports/2009/vulnerability2009085.html be provided? |
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| 18:00.48 | karlk | @cantido: just wanted to say thanks for help with openoffice, works like a charm now ! cheers! |
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| 18:07.06 | ewet | so what's up aren't there any security-updates for non-free or what? |
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| 18:09.46 | pappanz | hello. why changes I make to my touchpad configuration via gsynaptics won't be saved to the next session? |
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| 18:12.13 | alexxio | hello |
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| 18:12.35 | alexxio | i just installed debian with automatical install, it comes with gnome.. |
| 18:13.24 | alexxio | after some hours of idle period, now the screen is black and there is no way to use the desktop, just like some process like screensaver has crashed |
| 18:13.24 | rozie | only if you choose "desktop" IIRC |
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| 18:13.51 | alexxio | if i do ctrl atl f1 nothing happens |
| 18:14.00 | alexxio | f1...f2...f7 |
| 18:14.10 | alexxio | i tried to kill gdm but nothing happens |
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| 18:14.17 | rozie | ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 18:14.25 | mjt | so you've a buggy hardware it seems |
| 18:14.33 | alexxio | nothing at all even with backspace |
| 18:14.38 | alexxio | buggy hw |
| 18:14.52 | alexxio | i don't thin because it's not a new pc |
| 18:14.58 | daffidity | alexxio: What make and model of computer do you have? |
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| 18:15.00 | alexxio | pIV with nvidia tnt2 |
| 18:15.20 | mjt | linux turns off the video card and it refuses to turn back |
| 18:15.31 | mjt | you can disable this |
| 18:15.54 | Supertanker | Hi. What is http-cache-cleaner, why does it appear every so often when I use KDE, and how can I uninstall it? |
| 18:15.56 | mjt | *iff* it's the screensaver |
| 18:16.03 | Supertanker | Google reveals a *lot* of unanswered questions asking the same thing. |
| 18:16.12 | mjt | another possibility is over-heating of the video card |
| 18:16.13 | Supertanker | Correction: I'm not using KDE, but I am using KDE apps. IO am using XFCE. |
| 18:16.28 | alexxio | i want to say that the pc runs fine, i have an ssh session opened and a webserver working.. |
| 18:16.38 | alexxio | no process seem to take more than necessary memory etc |
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| 18:16.53 | mjt | alexxio: that's all not related really |
| 18:16.58 | d_b | Any clue why this doesn't work? --> for file in *.flac; do flac -d -c "$file" | lame --preset medium - "$file".mp3; done |
| 18:17.00 | mjt | alexxio: to the question at hand |
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| 18:17.01 | d_b | I'm getting "Can't init outfile" |
| 18:17.37 | alexxio | i don't even think about overheating..i'm not thinking about a problem, but a missconfiguration or a little glitch |
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| 18:18.12 | alexxio | the problem is i don't even find the xorg.conf !! :P because /etc/x11/xorg.conf is empty!! |
| 18:18.14 | mjt | alexxio: it's either dpms which your card does not implement correctly or overheating of the *video card*. In both cases you'll be able to ssh to the box and do stuff but your screen will be black as if it's turned off. |
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| 18:19.10 | alexxio | i've never won against shell and dpms!! can you please gove me the command? xset dpms off will say that doesn't find the screen :0 |
| 18:19.27 | alexxio | xset: unable to open display "" |
| 18:19.47 | mjt | !tell alexxio -about xorg config |
| 18:20.15 | mjt | if you use gnome look at its control panel |
| 18:20.40 | ajavid | hey guys |
| 18:20.49 | ajavid | whats up int he world of debian |
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| 18:21.59 | cahoot | !up |
| 18:22.00 | dpkg | the *ceiling* moron, or a direction directly opposing the pull of gra-vity |
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| 18:23.47 | shah16 | !lol |
| 18:23.48 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 18:34.40 | ajavid | weather.com |
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| 18:35.27 | ajavid | 98F and mostly cloudy feels like |
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| 18:38.04 | box | mates, how to remove the link created by 'ln -sv'? thanks |
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| 18:38.59 | JPT | rm <symlink> ? |
| 18:39.26 | JPT | usually that should kill the symlink and not the file being linked with the symlink |
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| 18:40.30 | box | i once created a 'ln -sv $LFS/tools / ' link, now I need to remove it and make a ' ln -sv ${CLFS}/tools / ' link |
| 18:40.33 | box | how to do that? |
| 18:41.01 | box | rm /tools? |
| 18:41.20 | JPT | probably yes |
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| 18:41.35 | JPT | hm |
| 18:41.40 | Plagman | where does /usr/bin/X come from? |
| 18:41.43 | box | JPT, you are correct |
| 18:41.45 | box | thanks. |
| 18:41.53 | Plagman | anyone familiar with the xorg-server package here? |
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| 18:42.23 | JPT | Plagman: ask "which X" |
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| 18:42.34 | Plagman | ? |
| 18:42.36 | JPT | oh |
| 18:42.36 | JPT | wait |
| 18:42.41 | Plagman | how does that even remotely answer my question |
| 18:42.44 | Plagman | srsly |
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| 18:42.54 | JPT | which <command> tells you where the binary is.. |
| 18:42.59 | JPT | but i just read your question again |
| 18:43.33 | JPT | what do you mean "where does it come from?" |
| 18:44.10 | cahoot | Plagman: as a last resort try packages.debian.org |
| 18:44.16 | Plagman | I mean that the the X server binary (which should be /usr/bin/X) is actually /usr/bin/Xorg, and that /usr/bin/X is a binary wrapper |
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| 18:44.22 | Plagman | I want to get the source of that wrapper |
| 18:44.33 | Plagman | I can't find it anywhere in the xorg-server source package |
| 18:45.24 | Plagman | ah |
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| 18:45.41 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 18:46.22 | Plagman | because it's actually provided by the _non-source_ package xserver-xorg, which is provided by the source package "xorg" |
| 18:46.27 | Plagman | silly me |
| 18:46.30 | Plagman | I got confused |
| 18:46.48 | Plagman | gets "xorg" source package |
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| 18:55.33 | jair | guys if I am having problems setting up the character set on my terminal to ISO-2022-JP in my irc client irssi, is this an issue with the gnome-terminal? ( I already added the char set to japanese) or debian?(I already added the locales and japanese language) or the irssi?(I do not know yet) |
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| 18:59.09 | Traveler00q | morning all wassup? |
| 18:59.21 | jair | =) |
| 18:59.24 | jair | morning |
| 18:59.40 | jair | here trying to get irssi to work with japanese charset iso-2022-jp |
| 18:59.50 | jair | I may got it right now |
| 18:59.58 | Traveler00q | ah k, irssi: good, char issue: bad |
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| 19:00.22 | jair | I ran the command "set term_charset" iso-2022-jp |
| 19:00.25 | jair | so we will see |
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| 19:02.06 | Traveler00q | i know you are "supposed" to custom irssi using the "SET" cmd but you can go into the config and mess with it that way |
| 19:03.08 | jair | hmm |
| 19:03.22 | jair | I just sent the command but does not look like is working :( |
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| 19:09.08 | ajavid | Traveler00q, do not go into the config |
| 19:09.22 | ajavid | Traveler00q, there is never any real reason to mess with the config |
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| 19:11.56 | ewet | will there be a fix for http://www.cert.fi/en/reports/2009/vulnerability2009085.html? or are there no secuity fixes for non-free? |
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| 19:24.33 | georgij | hello, I am using fluxbox and xcompmgr is hiding all the windows. I tried putting slit layer to desktop same problem though |
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| 19:29.35 | moep_ | Is there a way to slim down a debian installation without having to remove the installed packages by hand via dpkg --get-selections? |
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| 19:31.59 | pappanz | hi. why it happens that changes to my touchpad-settings using gsynaptics are not saved to the next session? |
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| 19:33.02 | Traveler00q | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:33.44 | Traveler00q | moep_: else, blow it away and reinstall a minimalist system, you choose |
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| 19:34.06 | betz | Hey all! |
| 19:34.15 | Traveler00q | betz: hey back |
| 19:34.24 | betz | Anyone knows a way to monitor and limit all in and outgoing traffic on all ports? |
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| 19:34.28 | moep_ | Traveler00q: I wish I could â it is a VPS that comes with all sorts of useless packages preinstalled. :/ |
| 19:34.28 | betz | per user* |
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| 19:35.03 | moep_ | Was hoping thereâs some way to trim the packages back to the minimal-installation, using a package template or something like that. |
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| 19:35.29 | rudi_s_ | betz: iptables (though you have to do it manually for every user) |
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| 19:36.01 | Traveler00q | moep_: well read the docs on the particular VPS, it may be possible |
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| 19:36.41 | betz | allrigth, i'll look into it, thanks rudi_s_ |
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| 19:37.18 | rudi_s_ | betz: np, this should help: man iptables | less -p owner |
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| 19:43.04 | pappanz | I have shared memory usage activated... though after reboot I see gsynaptics had not saved his status |
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| 19:44.20 | Traveler00q | what would cause my Debian Lenny AMD64 to be able to connect to the internet, ping/dig servers, open pages using a web browser but not function correctly using apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 19:45.00 | mason | hi |
| 19:45.04 | Traveler00q | hi |
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| 19:45.35 | beardy | Traveler00q: You not having a correct sources.list. |
| 19:45.48 | pappanz | Traveler00q, what do you mean with "not function correctly"? |
| 19:46.30 | paxcoder | challenge: post your vrms output to #flood |
| 19:46.32 | paxcoder | :-) |
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| 19:46.55 | konr | Guys, y sound doesn't work. When I try a `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` I get a "device or resource busy". Any idea on what is happening and how I can fix it? |
| 19:47.01 | Traveler00q | pappanz: i mean consisten timeouts on connecting to ftp |
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| 19:47.56 | pappanz | Traveler00q, maybe it's a problem of the ftp website |
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| 19:48.00 | fefo | hi there, anyone using hdapsd with protecting hdd ? |
| 19:48.05 | paxcoder | konr: see if output of groups gives you "audio" |
| 19:48.06 | fefo | i need that patch to kernel |
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| 19:48.16 | fefo | i had tp-smapi .. |
| 19:48.29 | fefo | everything is woring except protect device in sysfs |
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| 19:48.42 | fefo | i need to park heads |
| 19:48.44 | konr | paxcoder: yes |
| 19:48.56 | Traveler00q | pappanz: no, i am trying to connect to ftp.nz.debian.org but have tried ftp.au/ftp.us => connects, hangs and then timeouts |
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| 19:53.54 | paxcoder | konr: sry then, dunno |
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| 19:56.09 | phaer | my openvz vserver is always out of memory after some minutes running. Even when i try "vzctl exec 83 cat /proc/user_beancounters" it says "Unable to fork: Cannot allocate memory". |
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| 19:57.20 | avu | phaer, you can see both the beancounters and the running processes and their ressource usage from VE0.. |
| 19:58.03 | avu | a simple implementation of a vzps to filter out processes of only one VE can be found in the openvz wiki |
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| 19:58.36 | mason | ¿ |
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| 20:00.07 | phaer | avu, that helps a lot. thank you |
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| 20:02.04 | AphelionZ1 | I'm running into some errors while trying to install libpaper1, during --configure: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 20:02.09 | AphelionZ1 | Has anybody seen that before? |
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| 20:10.00 | Dassu | I'm just curious - why does debian have package: linux-image-2.6.26-1... but not linux-source-2.6.26.1 |
| 20:11.20 | phaer | Theres no DirectoryIndex directive in my apache2.conf. is this normal? |
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| 20:13.36 | beardy | Some peoples apache2.conf are longer than others, it's all normal. Did you know that the average apache2.conf is 15 lines long when expanded? |
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| 20:16.53 | phaer | the problem is, that firefox offers me to download index.php when i request it, but any other php file (search.php for example) gets executed on the server. |
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| 20:17.27 | phaer | and i thought it might be related to DirectoryIndex in apache2.conf but it might be something different as well |
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| 20:18.44 | Hexch | !pastebin |
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| 20:20.09 | Hexch | Can somebody helt me whti this one: http://paste.debian.net/43744/ |
| 20:20.19 | Hexch | my mod_mono is in mods-enable |
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| 20:33.17 | humbolto | I am having trouble with my software raid. |
| 20:33.32 | humbolto | It's based on SATA devices |
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| 20:34.00 | humbolto | I used to have one based on PATA and I am currently booting from there, as booting the SATA raid does not work |
| 20:34.18 | humbolto | When I boot from PATA, my SATA raid devices don't show up |
| 20:34.28 | humbolto | are not assembled automatically! |
| 20:34.37 | humbolto | what is wrong there? |
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| 20:45.21 | phaer | firefox offers index.php me to download when i request it, but any other php file (search.php for example) gets executed on the server. index.php is executed as well but only when i request "/". |
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| 20:48.45 | themill | !php wants me to download still |
| 20:48.45 | dpkg | Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x). |
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| 20:49.07 | themill | phaer: browser caching is the most likely culprit here. |
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| 20:49.47 | xjih78 | hello everyone |
| 20:49.56 | xjih78 | can xchm remember the last page browsed in a chm file and restore the last state? |
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| 20:50.52 | blubaustin | Hello |
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| 20:55.30 | phaer | themill, i've already cleaned the browser cache about 5 times |
| 20:56.44 | taras | are there some way to free swap an load it to ram? |
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| 20:57.21 | amphi | taras: swapoff /dev/whatever |
| 20:58.14 | themill | phaer: did you try with wget or curl? |
| 20:58.24 | phaer | themill, no, i'll do so |
| 20:58.49 | themill | dpkg: tell taras about swapwake |
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| 20:59.04 | themill | taras: hack that to your own needs |
| 20:59.07 | phaer | themill, wget gets me the php source |
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| 20:59.48 | themill | phaer: :( |
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| 21:01.04 | paxcoder | phaer: it must be in your /var/www directory |
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| 21:01.17 | phaer | paxcoder, it is in my /var/www directory |
| 21:01.28 | heffay | i get seem to get debian to boot from some-reason. i have lvm and lilo and when i tab into lilo's boot prompt and type the path to my root partition and initrd.img, lilo says there is no such image |
| 21:01.36 | paxcoder | i have no idea how it can execute some, and others not. |
| 21:01.38 | heffay | cant get** |
| 21:03.30 | themill | phaer: what does your DirectoryIndex directive look like? |
| 21:04.54 | phaer | themill, "DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml index.htm" and its in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dir.conf |
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| 21:05.31 | themill | phaer: and I presume you don't have an index.html or anything in that directory? |
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| 21:06.44 | phaer | themill, no |
| 21:06.53 | phaer | themill, just index.php |
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| 21:08.19 | phaer | oh...the whole problem is just about one specific index.php, it works perfectly in other subdirectories ... |
| 21:09.03 | zleap | phaer, try running it through tidy |
| 21:09.11 | zleap | tidy -e file.php |
| 21:09.24 | zleap | you can then run tidy -m file.php to try and fix errors |
| 21:09.52 | themill | wonders what tidy would make of a php file |
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| 21:11.18 | phaer | zleap, tidy says that the file has no errors. the strange thing is: apache2 executes the php-file when i request "/" or "/index.php?" but it does not when i request "/index.php" |
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| 21:11.39 | zleap | hmm |
| 21:11.41 | zleap | permissions |
| 21:11.50 | zleap | i get that if I try and link to a file in a certain way |
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| 21:11.57 | zleap | it treats the php as a download |
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| 21:12.25 | phaer | zleap i have set the permissions to be exactly the same as the permissions of another file which works well... |
| 21:13.20 | Amorphous | i'm trying to build the btrfs module in a modified version to work with the 2.6.30-1-amd64 debian kernel package but my result doesn't contain the symbol module_layout. currently i use: make-kpkg ...configure && make EXTRAVERSION=-1-amd64 ARCH=x86_64 CROSS_COMPILE='' fs/btrfs/btrfs.ko what am i missing while building it? |
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| 21:13.49 | phaer | zleap, and it is no link, its just a plain php file |
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| 21:13.59 | zleap | ah |
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| 21:14.59 | danielito | anybody knows how to enable the soap extension for the php-cli? |
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| 21:16.36 | themill | danielito: "apt-cache show php5-cli" |
| 21:17.19 | themill | phaer: is there a .htaccess file in that directory? (or in the others?) |
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| 21:18.41 | phaer | themill, yes there are, but they only deny the access to config.php and common.php. the whole thing is a phpbb3 forum |
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| 21:20.08 | danielito | themill: hm. weird that my application claims the soap extension is not loaded. and also php -i does not list soap |
| 21:21.27 | themill | danielito: php -i shows lots of soap stuff here. What version of debian is this? |
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| 21:22.57 | danielito | themill: okay, php5 -i | grep soap spits out the stuff. so obviously /usr/bin/php is linked against a wrong executable :-? anyway, I'll run the script with php5 |
| 21:23.01 | danielito | themill: thx a lot! |
| 21:23.12 | danielito | running 4.0 by the way |
| 21:23.36 | themill | danielito: there's a chance that you have both php4-cli and php5-cli installed then. |
| 21:23.37 | hphubert | hi, i 've got a problem with apache2, when i compile it i get an error http://wklej.org/id/132958/ |
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| 21:24.47 | themill | danielito: if that's the case and you want to change /usr/bin/php to php5, check it with update-alternatives --list php |
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| 21:26.33 | danielito | themill: hm. it's not the case. and /usr/bin/php is linked against /etc/alternatives/php which is linked to /usr/bin/php5. so I wonder why executing the script with 'php' fails with a Warning, that the class SoapClient cannot be found |
| 21:26.38 | danielito | php5 script.php works |
| 21:26.38 | hphubert | who could help me? |
| 21:27.20 | themill | danielito: that's quite quite strange. |
| 21:27.43 | themill | danielito: what does "which php" say? |
| 21:27.48 | danielito | themill: I'd say it's impossible :) |
| 21:28.00 | danielito | themill: tell me /usr/local/bin/php |
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| 21:29.15 | themill | danielito: aha.... that makes the alternatives system rather irrelevant |
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| 21:29.43 | hphubert | who could help me? |
| 21:29.47 | danielito | ouch, i see. so by executing php I execute /usr/local/bin/php which might be another version |
| 21:30.03 | themill | danielito: quite |
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| 21:31.10 | themill | hphubert: debian distributes binary packages of things so #debian often doesn't care about people compiling things... what's wrong with debian's packages of apache2? |
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| 21:31.49 | eptalon | heyas |
| 21:32.01 | eptalon | current upgrade wants to remove java? |
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| 21:32.41 | phaer | i've removed index.php now and it still offers it to download. very strange... |
| 21:32.52 | themill | eptalon: that's impossibly vague. Upgrade of what to what? Which java package? "/msg dpkg bat" and provide us with many more details. |
| 21:33.19 | creichen | Hi! Sorry for asking about a nonfree program, but does anyone here have any suggestions for getting skype to work on current sid for amd64? |
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| 21:34.18 | creichen | (It seems that there were major changes in the ia32 compatibility packages and libraries; I can't even get the old statically compiled version of skype to give me a GUI at this point.) |
| 21:34.27 | eptalon | themill: does apt-get support redirection, data collection using tee? |
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| 21:35.03 | zleap | eptalon, what are you trying to do? |
| 21:35.12 | themill | eptalon: yes |
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| 21:35.54 | themill | eptalon: but remember that aptitude is the preferred tool for package management in debian and will provide you with much more information about what's happening |
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| 21:49.02 | tlhiv_laptop | hi folks ... i'm very new to Debian (I've used another distro for years) and I am getting quite a few texlive related dkpg errors every time i run apt-get and i don't know how to get rid of them |
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| 21:49.13 | tlhiv_laptop | example: dpkg: error processing texlive-lang-croatian (--configure) |
| 21:49.20 | AphelionZ1 | Hello, I cannot apt-get or aptitude install libpaper1 without an error... does anybody know what dependencies im missing (error message doesnt say, just says --configure error 10) or any way to workaround / debug? |
| 21:49.54 | azeem | AphelionZ1: which version of debian? |
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| 21:50.01 | AphelionZ1 | 5.0.2 |
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| 21:51.16 | azeem | AphelionZ1: put the error on a pastebin |
| 21:51.18 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 21:51.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 21:53.01 | AphelionZ1 | azeem: http://paste.debian.net/43749/ |
| 21:54.31 | streuner | judd, versions libpaper1 |
| 21:54.31 | judd | streuner: libpaper1 -- etch: 1.1.21 lenny: 1.1.23+nmu1 sid: 1.1.23+nmu1 squeeze: 1.1.23+nmu1 |
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| 21:56.02 | AphelionZ1 | nmu1 |
| 21:56.22 | streuner | sure |
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| 21:57.33 | AphelionZ1 | nothing in aptitude search for nmu1 |
| 21:57.53 | AphelionZ1 | (I'm actually trying to install enscript so i can then install websvn) |
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| 21:57.57 | phaer | themill, if you are interested: it seems like my problem was a strange caching server in my office network. It works perfect when i try it over my server... |
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| 21:58.37 | themill | phaer: caching is (almost) always the problem in these situations. Transparent proxies are evil... glad you've got it sorted |
| 21:58.51 | itsosimpo | whois itsosimpo |
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| 22:01.01 | phaer | themill, thank you for all the help :) |
| 22:01.08 | themill | no worries |
| 22:01.14 | streuner | AphelionZ1: No Maintainer Upload |
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| 22:01.34 | streuner | !nmu |
| 22:01.34 | dpkg | methinks nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer who is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 22:01.48 | AphelionZ1 | ahhhh |
| 22:01.56 | streuner | aphexer_: try a dirty hack |
| 22:02.10 | streuner | AphelionZ1: try a dirty hack |
| 22:02.25 | blankthemuffin | Doing a net-install, a couple of packages got corrupted in the download. Wondering where they get downloaded too so I can remove them and have the system download them again or so I can replace them myself, or is the only option to start again? |
| 22:02.30 | AphelionZ1 | I'm down, what's this hack? |
| 22:02.38 | streuner | just mv the preinst script into /tmp and re-run apt-get -f |
| 22:03.00 | AphelionZ1 | is that in /var/lib/dpkg/info? |
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| 22:03.04 | streuner | or better, just fix the script itself |
| 22:03.07 | streuner | yep |
| 22:04.40 | AphelionZ1 | how can I fix the script itself? |
| 22:04.51 | streuner | well, with an editor? |
| 22:04.57 | AphelionZ1 | haha i know **how** to fix it |
| 22:05.02 | AphelionZ1 | but where do I get it |
| 22:05.16 | streuner | hm, ok, just try the hack first then |
| 22:05.36 | AphelionZ1 | what i mean to say is there is nothing in that directory with libpaper or even libapr |
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| 22:10.41 | AphelionZ1 | There's libpaper1.list (which is empty) and libpaper1.postrm which has some stuff |
| 22:11.05 | streuner | sure :-) |
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| 22:11.22 | streuner | amset:/# aptitude install libpaper1 |
| 22:11.36 | AphelionZ1 | same thing |
| 22:11.37 | streuner | Muss 0B an Archiven herunterladen. Nach dem Entpacken werden 722MB frei werden. |
| 22:11.37 | streuner | Wollen Sie fortsetzen? [Y/n/?] |
| 22:12.20 | streuner | that package is totally broken :-) |
| 22:12.27 | AphelionZ1 | haha damn it |
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| 22:13.02 | streuner | its installed, and when i try to install it, it wants remove 722 MB of package (system) |
| 22:13.27 | pappanz_ | hello. occasionally (especially when starting iceweasel) top says xorg goes to 99% CPU usage. why it happens? I'm on unstable and this behaviour seems related to the intel video driver |
| 22:13.51 | AphelionZ1 | Giuseppe Sanco needs to get his act together |
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| 22:16.32 | server_side | hi all, noob question i know, but what makes debian the better choice over say ubuntu or fedora? |
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| 22:17.20 | streuner | AphelionZ1: that doesnt happen with apt-get |
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| 22:17.34 | AphelionZ1 | so there's not much I can do then |
| 22:17.45 | streuner | !+tell server_side -about why debiain |
| 22:17.45 | dpkg | i dunno what is 'why debiain'. |
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| 22:17.57 | streuner | !+tell server_side -about why debian |
| 22:17.57 | dpkg | told server_side about why debian. |
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| 22:19.31 | streuner | AphelionZ1: there is a postinst file, for sure |
| 22:20.00 | AphelionZ1 | the problem could possibly be in there? its giving me a --configure error though |
| 22:20.19 | Wooga_tc | how do i configure my sound card without alsaconf ? |
| 22:20.31 | Wooga_tc | since it was removed from alsa-utils |
| 22:20.32 | streuner | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1018 17. Jun 2008 libpaper1.postinst |
| 22:20.35 | Tramp | fwiw, same version works fine on squeeze |
| 22:20.45 | streuner | AphelionZ1: there is a postinst file, for sur |
| 22:20.55 | AphelionZ1 | streuner: I understand but i can fix that and it will fix my bug? |
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| 22:22.17 | streuner | AphelionZ1: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpaper1.postinst |
| 22:22.47 | Wooga_tc | anyone? |
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| 22:22.55 | Wooga_tc | is there any replacement was provided? |
| 22:23.39 | Dassu | My newly compiled kernel is unable to find root partition. Is there something in default kernel config of debian system that migth cause that when ramdisk is not used? System partition is using EXT3 and it has been compiled inside the kernel. |
| 22:23.49 | Dassu | and the support is NOT module |
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| 22:24.45 | Titan8990 | Dassu, storage controller also, you same person that was having this problem friday? |
| 22:24.57 | Tramp | !tell Wooga_tc -about alsaconf |
| 22:25.06 | Tramp | Wooga_tc: dunno if that helps. |
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| 22:25.28 | streuner | !alsaconf |
| 22:25.28 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 22:25.34 | Titan8990 | Wooga_tc, you can't since it was removed |
| 22:25.34 | Tramp | s/dunno/don't know/ |
| 22:25.58 | Wooga_tc | Titan8990: so there is no easy sound in debian from now? |
| 22:26.23 | Titan8990 | Wooga_tc, its been removed from most distros, im sure the replacement is some kind of automated thing |
| 22:26.35 | lcuk | hi, i have a generic problem and dont know where to ask. i am looking for a shared library that can take YUV image frames and produce a movie in any reasonable format. everything i can find is either gstreamer or file based. |
| 22:26.41 | Wooga_tc | but which thing? |
| 22:26.46 | Wooga_tc | how do i activate it? |
| 22:26.48 | Trav00q | what is a good pdf app for Debian, reading only, not too ugly |
| 22:27.08 | streuner | xpdf |
| 22:27.20 | Titan8990 | Wooga_tc, /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start |
| 22:27.21 | streuner | or try gv |
| 22:27.31 | Trav00q | ghostview? |
| 22:27.37 | Titan8990 | Wooga_tc, believe that is the new alsaconf, only automatic |
| 22:27.39 | keith4_ | Wooga_tc, it's in lenny still, no? |
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| 22:27.51 | Titan8990 | keith4, its been removed from squeeze |
| 22:28.26 | Wooga_tc | Titan8990: no, it is not setting my card |
| 22:28.53 | keith4_ | oh. squeeze. pff |
| 22:29.16 | Titan8990 | Wooga_tc, what card? |
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| 22:31.07 | Wooga_tc | Titan8990: motherboard's nVidia MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio (rev a1) |
| 22:31.23 | Wooga_tc | should go well with one of hd- modules |
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| 22:32.32 | Wooga_tc | oh, it suddenly worked |
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| 22:33.03 | Wooga_tc | must be i am was stuped somewhere selecting audio source for testing |
| 22:33.07 | Titan8990 | Wooga_tc, all also conf ever did was add modules to be autoloaded to the config file |
| 22:33.14 | Titan8990 | err alsaconf |
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| 22:48.44 | AphelionZ1 | streuner: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 440 Jun 17 2008 libpaper1.postrm |
| 22:48.48 | AphelionZ1 | sorry for the delay |
| 22:48.52 | AphelionZ1 | also my postrm file is: |
| 22:48.56 | AphelionZ1 | http://pastebin.ca/1523367 |
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| 22:49.24 | streuner | just mv that file to /tmp |
| 22:49.39 | streuner | and re-run "apt-get -f install" |
| 22:49.48 | AphelionZ1 | k |
| 22:49.59 | streuner | i dont know how to fix that script yet |
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| 22:50.22 | AphelionZ1 | same error :( |
| 22:51.48 | streuner | hm, maybe its libpaper*-utils... |
| 22:52.20 | AphelionZ1 | oh! it worked |
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| 22:53.27 | AphelionZ1 | thank you! but now websvn isnt installing haha |
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| 22:54.16 | AphelionZ1 | nevermind! got it |
| 22:54.18 | AphelionZ1 | thank you |
| 22:54.28 | streuner | no worries |
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| 23:08.20 | Trav00q | i have just installed rxvt-u on Debian Lenny, and want to make a decent icon for the desktop, where will rxvt reference any icon from? |
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| 23:15.28 | topgun21 | !broadcom |
| 23:15.28 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43> or <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
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| 23:22.09 | elghorbaZ | hi, am trying to install debian, on mirrors, what does mean mips, arm happ, ia64 ... ? |
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| 23:24.20 | Titan8990 | elghorbaZ, cpu architecture |
| 23:24.58 | elghorbaZ | Titan8990: how can i now mine ? |
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| 23:26.02 | Titan8990 | elghorbaZ, most modern computers are x86 and amd64 |
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| 23:26.18 | Titan8990 | elghorbaZ, you can do: cat /proc/cpuinfo to see what kind of cpu you have |
| 23:27.41 | Titan8990 | elghorbaZ, ia64= intel itanium, arm = embedded devices, etc --- they are not common |
| 23:27.44 | elghorbaZ | Titan8990: it's an old one 1998 aged |
| 23:27.56 | Titan8990 | elghorbaZ, if you don't know i386/x86 is a good choice |
| 23:28.27 | elghorbaZ | Titan8990: tha,x i'll do the command |
| 23:28.45 | Titan8990 | a safe choice i should say |
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| 23:32.04 | elghorbaZ | Titan8990: it's an amd k-6 3d processor |
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| 23:32.36 | Trav00q | can i reference a .Xdefaults through bash_profile? |
| 23:33.30 | Titan8990 | elghorbaZ, i386 |
| 23:35.02 | topgun21 | is there a way to install the official firefox on debian? |
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| 23:35.35 | mischief | !tell topgun21 about firefox |
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| 23:36.31 | elghorbaZ | Titan8990: thanX |
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| 23:53.56 | tlhiv_laptop | how do i determine the version of an installed package? |
| 23:55.40 | anapivirtua | tlhiv_laptop, try dpkg-query -W "package_name*" |
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| 23:56.52 | tlhiv_laptop | ok thanx |
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| 23:57.22 | anapivirtua | tlhiv_laptop, or: dpkg-query -s "package_name" | grep Version |
| 23:57.33 | tlhiv_laptop | ok ... yeah found it |
| 23:57.38 | anapivirtua | ;) |
| 23:57.47 | tlhiv_laptop | i'm having trouble building a program from scratch because it's looking for POPPLERGLIB |
| 23:57.55 | tlhiv_laptop | checking for POPPLERGLIB... configure: error: Package requirements (poppler-glib >= 0.5.4) were not met: |
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| 23:58.23 | tlhiv_laptop | `dpkg -s libpoppler-glib-dev` shows that i have version 0.8.7-2 |
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| 23:59.47 | norc_ | I have an NVidia video card that allows resolutions up to 1920x1080 which work under Windows. Under debian however (with the latest drivers) I can only get up to 1600x1050. Any hints? :) |
