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| 00:01.31 | norc_ | Or is that a common curse with the NVidia graphics drivers? |
| 00:02.12 | anapivirtua | norc_, look at your xorg.conf |
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| 00:03.43 | norc_ | anapivirtua: that's where I set the resolution. ;) |
| 00:03.49 | abrotman | xrandr ? |
| 00:04.43 | norc_ | abrotman: ah, well. :) |
| 00:05.01 | abrotman | it was a questoin |
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| 00:05.23 | norc_ | I did not try it, but I will as soon as I boot back into debian |
| 00:05.33 | heffay | ive added sid to my apt sources and made an apt.conf file indicated lenny as the default distribution. does this mean apt will not install packages from sid unless told to? |
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| 00:06.00 | norc_ | The thing that got me really confused what the nvidia-settings tool claiming that the maximal resolution supported by the screen was 1600x1050 |
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| 00:07.32 | Titan8990 | norc_, did you use nvida-xconfig? |
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| 00:08.27 | norc_ | Yeah |
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| 00:10.02 | norc_ | If xrandr fails too, something else I might want to try too? (before I reboot) |
| 00:11.45 | pappanz | do you know of a specific bug referring to my xorg abnormal cpu usage? I'm running debian unstable with the intel driver |
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| 00:13.33 | anapivirtua | pappanz, on a atom cpu ? |
| 00:13.56 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:17.10 | pappanz | anapivirtua, I'm on a Intel Centrino |
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| 00:17.52 | anapivirtua | ok, I heard about a similar problem but only on atom. |
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| 00:27.11 | PatrickErnandes | aff |
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| 00:37.37 | ryan___ | unsecured wireless ftw |
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| 00:39.39 | boxxertrumps | what would I need to go use to get a specific key to be able to launch a program in kde? |
| 00:40.06 | boxxertrumps | i have a few buttons on my laptop which dont have any functionality to them right now |
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| 00:47.57 | tlhiv_laptop | question: both of my apache virtualhosts are being directed to the same site ... any idea how i can troubleshoot this? |
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| 01:05.18 | elghorbaZ | hi, |
| 01:05.44 | elghorbaZ | am installing debian and in the formatting phase its bugging on 93% since 20 min |
| 01:05.49 | elghorbaZ | it's normal? |
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| 01:09.25 | ajavid | I am building kicker-compiz for 3.5 in stable, |
| 01:09.28 | ajavid | upon confiure I get checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 01:09.34 | ajavid | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 01:09.42 | ajavid | what is the kde prefix on debian |
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| 01:11.37 | abrotman | maybe you should look to see what it's looking for |
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| 01:12.06 | ajavid | oh nm |
| 01:12.15 | ajavid | I think it requires kdelibs-dev |
| 01:12.27 | ajavid | let me check |
| 01:12.55 | ajavid | yup, that was it |
| 01:13.02 | ajavid | been a while since I built anything in kde |
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| 01:14.15 | ajavid | had to backport libgcrypt11-dev_1.4.4-3_amd64.deb otherwise it wanted to downgrade my xorg to 7.4, which will break cuz its not packages |
| 01:16.30 | ajavid | pagerapplet.h:43: error: 'namespace KWin { }' redeclared as different kind of symbol |
| 01:16.35 | ajavid | :( |
| 01:17.08 | ajavid | error: previous declaration of 'class KWin' ... well this sucks |
| 01:18.23 | ajavid | this app from kde-apps |
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| 01:20.57 | Alam_Lenny | how do I disable automount? I had it disabled when I was using Lenny, and now since I updated to testing, it GNOME's Removable Drives and Media Preferences does have any options to disable automount |
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| 01:26.45 | bernie_ | why does apt-get update tell me to do a apt-get update |
| 01:27.27 | abrotman | bernie_: ? |
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| 01:28.37 | bernie_ | i run apt-get update and it ends in an error and tells me to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 01:29.01 | abrotman | bernie_: can you put it in a pastebin |
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| 01:29.38 | bernie_ | yeah, uno momento |
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| 01:30.02 | abrotman | or at least tell us the error |
| 01:30.28 | K`zan | Hi folks, question: Is iceweasel immune to the null exploit that came up a bit ago for firefox. It is my understanding that iceweasel is just firefox with a license the deb devs like? Reason for asking is that I have not seen an update for it and have been looking. TMIA! |
| 01:30.32 | boxxertrumps | bernie_: errors are actually important in linux. |
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| 01:30.55 | boxxertrumps | K`zan: yeah, iceweasel is vulnerable |
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| 01:30.59 | K`zan | FWIW, got deb5 |
| 01:31.15 | bernie_ | holy *&^@ its working now |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | K`zan: they backport many fixes .. check the DSAs |
| 01:31.16 | bernie_ | lol |
| 01:31.20 | K`zan | boxxertrumps: Thanks, are the planning to do something about it? |
| 01:31.34 | tlhiv_laptop | i'm wanting to use File::Basename, but i don't have it installed and don't know the name of the package |
| 01:31.39 | tlhiv_laptop | in perl |
| 01:31.40 | abrotman | boxxertrumps: do you have a URL showing that it's vuln ? |
| 01:31.55 | boxxertrumps | K`zan: no, but every unpatched exploit for Firefox can be used in iceweasel |
| 01:32.19 | jelly-home | tlhiv_laptop: search for a file, named /File/Basename.pm |
| 01:32.20 | abrotman | boxxertrumps: that's not true |
| 01:32.34 | tlhiv_laptop | jelly-home: with apt? |
| 01:32.49 | K`zan | boxxertrumps: That isn't encouraging, wonder if there is a way to just get firefox, have several folks I got going with linux worried about it :-/. |
| 01:32.49 | abrotman | K`zan: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/binary-package/iceweasel |
| 01:32.53 | boxxertrumps | abrotman: no, i'm i'm just assuming, if he hasn't been able to update between the time the exploit was found and firefox received an update, it's probably vulnerable |
| 01:32.59 | K`zan | abrotman: Thanks, checking. |
| 01:33.06 | jelly-home | tlhiv_laptop: with apt-file, or packages.debian.org, or dpkg the bot here |
| 01:33.13 | abrotman | boxxertrumps: you don't know that .. they backport tons of fixes |
| 01:33.13 | GhostlyDeath | null exploit? URL to details? |
| 01:33.18 | jelly-home | !tell tlhiv_laptop -about search |
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| 01:34.09 | tlhiv_laptop | i'm very new to debian ... i'm having to setup some stuff on a debian server and have used debian only many years ago ... i'm a gentoo guy myself ;) |
| 01:34.26 | tlhiv_laptop | i've tried `aptitude search basename` but it comes up empty |
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| 01:35.26 | boxxertrumps | abrotman: i'm not a security expert, i'll take you on your word |
| 01:35.28 | jelly-home | tlhiv_laptop: anyway, it's in perl-modules. But read what dpkg told you for more info about searching by path |
| 01:35.34 | abrotman | tlhiv_laptop: or you could use dh-make-perl if you can't find a package |
| 01:35.57 | abrotman | boxxertrumps: see the URL i pasted above .. it translates known CVE issues to debian packages |
| 01:36.06 | jelly-home | not "you can't find a package" but rather "if the package doesn't exist" |
| 01:36.33 | K`zan | abrotman: I'm confused, it looks like I need to add a sid repository to get the non exploitable version of iceweasel? |
| 01:36.46 | jelly-home | using dh-make-perl for modules that are part of standard Perl distribution would be silly |
| 01:36.49 | abrotman | K`zan: did you find the CVE ? |
| 01:36.58 | abrotman | jelly-home: note "if you can't find a package" |
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| 01:37.18 | K`zan | Yes, and it is circular, I go to the binary package avail and it takes me back to the link you sent. |
| 01:37.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: noted |
| 01:37.26 | abrotman | K`zan: which CVE ? |
| 01:37.30 | K`zan | http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/binary-package/iceweasel |
| 01:37.42 | abrotman | yeah .. i have that URL .. which CVE |
| 01:37.45 | K`zan | Oops, wait. |
| 01:38.07 | jelly-home | K`zan: also look at xulrunner-* packages, because that's where most of the holes lie |
| 01:38.18 | K`zan | http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2007-1970 |
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| 01:38.43 | K`zan | jelly-home: Checking. Thanks. |
| 01:38.53 | abrotman | doesn't strike me as a null exploit ... |
| 01:39.03 | K`zan | Seems this should have just come out as a security update, but I'm lost :). |
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| 01:40.11 | abrotman | K`zan: not really sure how severe that is .. i mean .. most of the time people ignore certificate errors anyways |
| 01:40.47 | K`zan | abrotman: Not sure that is the one I need, descriptions are cutoff so I'm going to have to go through them to see. |
| 01:41.09 | abrotman | K`zan: you could google and look for the CVE mentioned in the mozilla bugzilla |
| 01:41.37 | K`zan | I'll try but I am just unsure what I am actually looking for. |
| 01:41.51 | K`zan | "null exploit" for a start... |
| 01:42.26 | abrotman | K`zan: do you know when it was fixed in FF ? |
| 01:42.53 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_3.0.6-1/changelog .. might also help |
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| 01:44.17 | K`zan | abrotman: Searching, maybe this: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iceweasel/ |
| 01:44.31 | K`zan | BUT, those all appear MUCH older than the 3.0.6 that I have. |
| 01:44.52 | Trav00q | what are people's opinions on running a WIN32 app on Debian? run Wine and the app or run a VM and the whole O/S? |
| 01:45.10 | abrotman | K`zan: that's not going to give you any great information .. |
| 01:45.42 | K`zan | abrotman: I have not a clue if it was fixed. People been asking me why that didn't come up as a security update. No idea if they should be as upset as t hey seem to be (why me!) :-). |
| 01:46.05 | abrotman | K`zan: so they don't know if FF fixed it? |
| 01:46.10 | K`zan | I *presume* that if it was fixed it would have come up as a security update, that is why I am confused. |
| 01:46.22 | boxxertrumps | If wine work i use that, Trav00q. VMs are a last resort for me |
| 01:46.29 | K`zan | No and neiter do I :-( |
| 01:46.34 | dub | I need to provide an easy way nail-up various TCP RWIN values, is there anything out there? (gui would be nice) |
| 01:46.44 | abrotman | K`zan: maybe there is no fix yet ? |
| 01:46.57 | Trav00q | abrotman: howdy, longtime no see |
| 01:47.27 | K`zan | abrotman: That is what I suspect, sorta shoots one of my selling points for linux that stuff like that gets fixed almost immediately. I'm just going to tell them to chill for now. |
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| 01:48.18 | abrotman | Trav00q: hello |
| 01:48.40 | abrotman | K`zan: i'd need to see the mozilla bugzilla entry to be more help .. can they provide it to you ? |
| 01:48.44 | Trav00q | abrotman: hey, i pop in every 6 or so months, have done for years, you are still here => cool! |
| 01:48.56 | abrotman | or sad ... |
| 01:50.06 | K`zan | abrotman: IIRC they got it off a /. article, a while old now. |
| 01:50.28 | Trav00q | abrotman: cool for sure, see ya, keep the faith! |
| 01:50.37 | K`zan | Rumors of a fix in mozilla, but I have not a clue how (or if) that relates to iceweasel. |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | K`zan: if you don't have a reference .. makes it hard to tell you that it was fixed |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | K`zan: http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/186228/Null-Character-Hack-Allows-SSL-Spoofing?from=rss .. that one ? |
| 01:51.51 | tlhiv_laptop | jelly-home: i still can't find this file |
| 01:51.51 | K`zan | abrotman: All I know is that there is a problem with nulls in the addresses that cuts off the display but other addresses can follow that and will be acted upon. |
| 01:52.01 | K`zan | That looks like it. |
| 01:52.12 | tlhiv_laptop | jelly-home: File::Basename (which contains Basename.pm) |
| 01:52.15 | abrotman | K`zan: okay .. well .. from what that blurb says .. all browsers are vuln |
| 01:52.21 | abrotman | or most |
| 01:53.17 | K`zan | Yes. |
| 01:53.26 | abrotman | K`zan: you could ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org if they've fixed it in their version yet |
| 01:53.38 | K`zan | Sometimes I think I will quit dragging wincrap users over :). |
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| 01:54.22 | abrotman | K`zan: so we have one .. they have 100 ? :) |
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| 01:55.25 | K`zan | abrotman: The problem is that they, by far and large, can't or won't think. Convert them and they own you :-(. |
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| 01:55.53 | abrotman | K`zan: it should be that easy? :) |
| 01:56.41 | K`zan | No, it shouldn't, but there are people, I am coming to believe, that deserve m$ (shudder). |
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| 01:57.24 | abrotman | K`zan: i thought about trying to move my mom to something like SymphonyOS |
| 01:57.40 | K`zan | abrotman: One of my old mentors (retired IBM SYSPRG) one told me: "If computers were as simple as a toaster, then all they would do would be to make toast." :-). |
| 01:58.30 | nevyn | and muffins. |
| 01:58.32 | jelly-home | tlhiv_laptop: which file are you looking for? What tool are you using? Which debian release? If you need a quick fix, I already told you it was in perl-modules |
| 01:58.38 | nevyn | and waffles |
| 01:58.52 | tlhiv_laptop | jelly-home: i'm looking for the perl module File::Basename |
| 01:58.53 | nevyn | maybe they could ask you if you would like a tea cake? |
| 01:59.12 | nevyn | </Red Dwarf> |
| 01:59.26 | tlhiv_laptop | jelly-home: etch |
| 02:00.12 | tlhiv_laptop | jelly-home: i'm just apt to try to find/install this |
| 02:00.12 | abrotman | why etch ? |
| 02:00.12 | jelly-home | tlhiv_laptop: which _file_ are you looking for? If the module is Foo::Bar::Baz, you ought to be looking for /Foo/Bar/Baz.pm |
| 02:00.26 | tlhiv_laptop | the file is /usr/share/perl5/File/Basename.pm |
| 02:00.34 | tlhiv_laptop | i don't have this |
| 02:00.37 | jelly-home | tlhiv_laptop: apt won't find files, apt-file will. |
| 02:00.55 | jelly-home | tlhiv_laptop: even after installing perl-modules? |
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| 02:01.24 | tlhiv_laptop | i don't have apt-file on this system |
| 02:01.41 | jelly-home | !installit |
| 02:01.42 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 02:02.01 | tlhiv_laptop | ;) |
| 02:02.03 | tlhiv_laptop | very well |
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| 02:03.18 | jelly-home | oh, and if you're looking for "/usr/share/perl5/File/Basename.pm", you won't find it. |
| 02:04.08 | tlhiv_laptop | how come? |
| 02:04.26 | jelly-home | tlhiv_laptop: because it's not in that exact path. |
| 02:05.24 | K`zan | maco, can't agree, 4.2/3 are still more crippled than gnome, just prettier and makes your graphics stuff work harder :). |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | K`zan: ? |
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| 02:06.16 | K`zan | ww :) |
| 02:06.37 | K`zan | abrotman: Wrong window, sorry. |
| 02:07.02 | jelly-home | tlhiv_laptop: or you could, y'know, install the perl-modules package, solve the real issue, and find about intricacies of apt-file later |
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| 02:07.26 | boxxertrumps | weird, i can't access the yorku.ca or waterloo debian mirrors |
| 02:08.00 | K`zan | abrotman: Was discussing KDE4<spit>. |
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| 02:09.38 | tlhiv_laptop | jelly-home: it seems it was installed all along ;) |
| 02:09.45 | tlhiv_laptop | thanx so much for the help folks |
| 02:09.48 | jelly-home | !smack tlhiv_laptop |
| 02:09.48 | dpkg | smacks tlhiv_laptop upside the head. |
| 02:09.54 | tlhiv_laptop | ducks |
| 02:10.02 | jelly-home | quack. |
| 02:10.06 | tlhiv_laptop | :-) |
| 02:10.08 | tlhiv_laptop | thanx again |
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| 02:10.11 | jelly-home | cheers |
| 02:12.42 | boxxertrumps | hmm, yorku is back up but waterloo and calgary seem to have kicked the bucket |
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| 02:18.03 | dclarke | at the risk of asking the truely silly/stupid question du jour, is there any easy way to launch the debian installer from within some other OS so that I can replace that OS ? |
| 02:18.18 | ajavid | dclarke, yes |
| 02:18.23 | ajavid | dclarke, debootstrap |
| 02:18.34 | dclarke | debootstrap ... hrmmm |
| 02:18.36 | ajavid | !tell dclarke -about debootstrap |
| 02:18.49 | dclarke | I can execute that on the CDROM image ? |
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| 02:19.20 | dclarke | fascinating |
| 02:19.34 | ajavid | dclarke, read the debian install guide |
| 02:19.45 | ajavid | !tell dclarke -about ig |
| 02:19.45 | dclarke | I have a machine here running ubuntu and I just feel this over whelming urge to format that to the ground and start over |
| 02:19.59 | dclarke | ajavid: I can not really get a browser working at the moment |
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| 02:20.15 | dclarke | ajavid: I only have a xterm running in a failsafe X11 session |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 02:20.20 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. Be aware that debootstrap can't --include packages involving non-required Pre-Depends (e.g. `--include=linux-image-686' will fail), see #487908 in the <BTS>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 02:20.33 | abrotman | use links2? w3m? to browse the web |
| 02:20.34 | ajavid | abrotman, just told him |
| 02:20.34 | dclarke | but, I have two such xterms |
| 02:20.40 | abrotman | ajavid: doesn't mean he read it |
| 02:20.41 | dclarke | yes .. links |
| 02:20.48 | dclarke | sorry .. I should have thought of that |
| 02:21.00 | thneed | this pidgin bug is driving me nuts, eerytime I try and launch...I get "aborted". Pidgin folks say it's a debian problem, google gave me similar results. ANyone know where i can fix this? |
| 02:21.13 | dclarke | actually .. let me see if I can balnk this CDROM and then burn the first CDROM image |
| 02:21.14 | ajavid | thneed, check the bts |
| 02:21.32 | thneed | !pidgin |
| 02:21.32 | dpkg | Pidgin - formerly <GAIM> - is an instant messaging client. Backported packages available for Lenny and Etch, ask me about <bpo> or <bpo etch>. http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ http://www.pidgin.im/ #pidgin on irc.freenode.net. XMPP Multi-User Chat: devel@conference.pidgin.im. Lenny users: ICQ support broken due to protocol change, fixed in 2.4.3-4lenny1, ask me about <point release>. Yahoo users, ask me about <pidgin yahoo>. |
| 02:21.33 | ajavid | thneed, which package version |
| 02:21.46 | dclarke | thneed: use irsii perhaps ? :-) |
| 02:21.50 | thneed | I am running squeeze |
| 02:21.59 | abrotman | thneed: my pidgin works fine |
| 02:22.05 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin |
| 02:22.06 | judd | abrotman: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny2 squeeze: 2.5.6-1 lenny-backports: 2.5.8-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.5.8-1+b1 |
| 02:22.09 | ajavid | my pidgin flies and makes noise |
| 02:22.12 | ajavid | guuurrr |
| 02:22.18 | elghorbaZ | hi ive downloaded debian in a non graphic mode and i want to setup openbox, |
| 02:22.27 | dclarke | oops .. about to crash here |
| 02:22.28 | abrotman | elghorbaZ: aptitude install xorg openbox |
| 02:22.29 | thneed | weird, I uninstalled and reinstalled adn I do not even get an error |
| 02:22.29 | dclarke | must go |
| 02:22.31 | thneed | only aborted |
| 02:22.33 | dclarke | thanks for the info |
| 02:23.11 | elghorbaZ | when i tried , it says impossible to find .. |
| 02:23.50 | abrotman | elghorbaZ: do you have a mian sources.list ? |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 02:24.00 | abrotman | elghorbaZ: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 02:26.57 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: havnt got the permission it said, but i thought iwas on root !! |
| 02:27.16 | abrotman | elghorbaZ: you can't 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' ? |
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| 02:29.07 | boxxertrumps | had all his sources as experimental, no wonder he couldn't install okular |
| 02:29.16 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: it worked, i didnt put cat, am not on the same computer, on the other its a non grafik mode, just installed the minimal debian, |
| 02:29.34 | elghorbaZ | it seems to give like websites |
| 02:29.46 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: adresses |
| 02:29.56 | abrotman | elghorbaZ: can you put those in a pastebin ? |
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| 02:31.34 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: no, am on two diffrent computers, the one i have a problem is on just non graphical and i dont now how to pastbin it this way |
| 02:32.08 | abrotman | elghorbaZ: do you have one that looks like "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" ? |
| 02:32.56 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: no |
| 02:33.35 | abrotman | elghorbaZ: as root ... echo "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list .. the >> is very important |
| 02:35.09 | abrotman | elghorbaZ: done ? |
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| 02:36.21 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: a nwbe kst; where does the command end and start? |
| 02:36.50 | abrotman | elghorbaZ: everything inside the .. :) |
| 02:37.00 | abrotman | echo "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:38.07 | abrotman | got it ? |
| 02:38.12 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: well donne but |
| 02:38.19 | abrotman | but ? |
| 02:38.27 | elghorbaZ | after i try aptitude? |
| 02:38.38 | abrotman | aptitude update; aptitude install xorg openbox |
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| 02:40.53 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: nothing, the same, i'll retry echo... | cause after that it just gave me the hand, nothing else !! |
| 02:41.15 | abrotman | elghorbaZ: cat the file again .. do you see the line at the end ? |
| 02:41.17 | dub | it gave you the hand? |
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| 02:41.26 | abrotman | dub: talk to the hand ? |
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| 02:41.47 | dub | a hand shandy? |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | summer shandy ? |
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| 02:43.36 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: didnt include ftp server, i'll try again |
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| 02:49.32 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: thanx, i think it is working |
| 02:50.10 | abrotman | elghorbaZ: if you want a DM .. you'll have to install that |
| 02:50.46 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: i think it's doing it |
| 02:51.03 | abrotman | not a DM i don't htink |
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| 02:51.34 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: it's unpaking |
| 02:51.42 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:52.42 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: to install it, i just put "install openbox" ?? |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | aptitude install openbox xorg |
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| 02:53.34 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: thanx |
| 02:53.41 | elghorbaZ | abrotman: a lot |
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| 03:13.13 | regnirps | Ahoy! Problem trying to ftp from Debian to embedded Linux system. Network is unreachable. Trouble shoot first step? |
| 03:13.56 | dub | have you tried switching it off, and back on again |
| 03:14.02 | regnirps | Yep. |
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| 03:14.31 | regnirps | It has Qtopia and I can check network settings and all that. |
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| 03:15.39 | regnirps | I suspect I have something wrong on the Debian end. |
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| 03:19.06 | spvensko | what's the easiest way to get my network cards MAC address? |
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| 03:19.54 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
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| 03:21.16 | spvensko | ty abrotman |
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| 03:22.19 | regnirps | The embedded device manual say just "ftp 192.168.1.230" from the host and the server will respond. |
| 03:22.39 | regnirps | The Debian host gives me "network is unreachable" |
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| 03:23.24 | dub | regnirps, what is your ip address on the debian box |
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| 03:24.39 | regnirps | 169.254.178.83 |
| 03:25.39 | dub | that suggests that you have not assigned it one, or it hasnt got a lease from your dhcp server |
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| 03:25.57 | regnirps | Mask is FF.FF.00.00 |
| 03:26.07 | regnirps | Target mask is FF.FF.FF.00 |
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| 03:27.10 | regnirps | That could be. I'm direct to the target with a crossover. Think I should assign a static IP? |
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| 03:27.36 | dub | yes, give it an ip in the same subnet |
| 03:27.48 | regnirps | wilco |
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| 03:29.14 | squisher | anyone know what could possibly be resetting my mime type options? |
| 03:29.35 | squisher | i.e. in firefox I don't see evince, only acrobat, when trying to open a pdf |
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| 03:29.49 | squisher | and in thunar, my editor of choice for .txt files got changed |
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| 03:31.50 | egypcio | you guys know how can I pinyin (mandarin chinese) from debian like google pinyin daemon in windows? |
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| 03:34.28 | regnirps | dub: Still "Network is unreachable" network setting shows my static IP correctly. |
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| 03:35.55 | regnirps | dub: But ifconfig -a shows the old IP for eth0 |
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| 03:37.00 | dub | try, ip addr add 192.168.1.2/24 dev eth0 |
| 03:37.19 | dub | then, ping 192.168.1.230 |
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| 03:40.15 | regnirps | Good pings! |
| 03:40.28 | dub | and ftp? |
| 03:40.34 | regnirps | ftp connected. |
| 03:40.45 | regnirps | What was the meaning of that incantation? |
| 03:41.14 | regnirps | the 2/24 |
| 03:41.45 | dub | it adds ip 192.168.1.2 to your eth0 interface with a /24 (255.255.255.0) subnet mask |
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| 03:44.43 | regnirps | If you don't mind, why the 1.2 for a 1.230? |
| 03:45.25 | dub | it doesnt make any difference |
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| 03:45.47 | egypcio | just dont use the same ip ;D |
| 03:45.54 | dub | correct |
| 03:46.27 | regnirps | I see. I thought it was addign the target addr. DUh. |
| 03:46.45 | regnirps | Or Doh! |
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| 03:47.13 | regnirps | BTW, Good news everyone. 26 new episodes of Futurama are scheduled. |
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| 03:48.36 | SuperMiguel | how is dmraid compared with mdraid, performance wise (both raid 0) |
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| 04:14.55 | kingsley | Is there a utility that reports events from USB joysticks? If so, what's it called? |
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| 04:18.47 | Metatron | i want to auto mount a network share, but it is over a wireless....if i put it in fstab, will the wifi network have time to load on boot....if not where can i run a mount -t cifs command as root in the startup chain |
| 04:19.03 | Metatron | after wireless loads |
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| 04:24.23 | racecar56 | what's more closest to unstable, sid or squeeze? |
| 04:24.59 | vasuvi | sid is the same thing as unstable; squeeze is the current testing, and lenny is the current stable |
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| 04:25.26 | racecar56 | vasuvi: i thought so, thanks |
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| 04:26.11 | TannerS | hello guys. i want to download the latest debian, but i notice it comes as a 600mb cd or 4 gb dvd, whats the diffrence? |
| 04:26.32 | TannerS | anyone?> |
| 04:27.03 | dondelelcaro | TannerS: one is a set of cds, the other dvds? there's no difference besides that. |
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| 04:27.17 | dondelelcaro | TannerS: you don't need them all though; just download a netinst and install from the net |
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| 04:27.42 | vasuvi | Or install from just the first CD then get more packages after that; either way will work |
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| 04:28.04 | TannerS | well what im talking about is thuis http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 04:28.05 | TannerS | and |
| 04:28.09 | TannerS | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 04:28.14 | vasuvi | (I tend to use netinst myself more, but it doesn't hurt to have more options) |
| 04:28.24 | dondelelcaro | TannerS: yes, that's the same thing on cd or on dvd. |
| 04:28.36 | TannerS | so i do i download only one of those dvd's are all? |
| 04:28.44 | vasuvi | Just obviously more (outdated) packages on the DVD that will probably need updates |
| 04:28.48 | dondelelcaro | TannerS: you don't need to download any of them |
| 04:29.08 | TannerS | but lets say i want the dvd one, what do i do |
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| 04:29.33 | dondelelcaro | TannerS: so you can download the first dvd, or the whole set. the packages on them are ordered by popularity |
| 04:29.59 | dondelelcaro | TannerS: if you have a reasonable connection, you can ignore the images, and download the packages you want to install from the net instead |
| 04:30.10 | TannerS | i rather do dvd |
| 04:30.23 | Maxdamantus | Hmm.. How do I get the Rhine NIC module on my debian install (via-rhine.so) - is there a package for it? kernel upgrade? or do I need to build it from the kernel sources? |
| 04:30.56 | TannerS | wait i dont get it |
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| 04:31.23 | vasuvi | TannerS: Then this is probably the best way to get it: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/amd64/bt-dvd/debian-502-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
| 04:31.32 | vasuvi | (and the first DVD should be more than enough) |
| 04:31.51 | TannerS | wat i mena is it wil work with one dvd and work with 2 dvd's? |
| 04:31.56 | TannerS | *replace 2 with them all |
| 04:32.45 | dondelelcaro | Maxdamantus: you mean via-rhine.ko, and it's present in any kernel that we distribute. |
| 04:32.53 | dondelelcaro | !+find via-rhine.ko |
| 04:32.54 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:33.04 | TannerS | hmm |
| 04:33.05 | dondelelcaro | TannerS: sure |
| 04:33.08 | Maxdamantus | Er yeah. |
| 04:33.35 | Maxdamantus | dondelelcaro, hmm.. Kernel upgrade then? On 2.6.26.2 atm |
| 04:33.36 | TannerS | so wait i can install one of thsoie dvds and have debian, but i can install them all which adds more features? thats what i heard |
| 04:33.46 | Maxdamantus | wonders what to apt-get to upgrade. |
| 04:33.53 | dondelelcaro | Maxdamantus: its present in 2.6.26-2 as well |
| 04:34.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'via-rhine.ko' (3 of 4): (/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.ko) in kernel/linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-486/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.ko) in kernel/linux-image-2.6.30-1-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.ko) in kernel/linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64. |
| 04:34.28 | dondelelcaro | Maxdamantus: if you don't have it in /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.ko, you've done something wrong |
| 04:34.29 | Maxdamantus | Oh, so it is. :S |
| 04:34.34 | Maxdamantus | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.ko |
| 04:34.40 | vasuvi | TannerS: Nothing to do with more features, just with more packages (which you can get after the install anyway) |
| 04:35.04 | TannerS | vasuvi u mean by downloading like any other linux system |
| 04:35.18 | vasuvi | TannerS: No matter how you install Debian, you will get exactly the same thing in the end (well, assuming they're all official Debian installers of the same version...) |
| 04:35.33 | TannerS | alright i gues sil go with 600 mb one |
| 04:35.39 | vasuvi | TannerS: Like the package manager of any other Linux distro, yes |
| 04:35.57 | vasuvi | TannerS: Wise choice :) |
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| 04:36.43 | TannerS | thansk man |
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| 04:53.32 | Evet | What do you think about GNUpanel? |
| 04:53.51 | boonyo | anyone here used debian/kfreebsd? |
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| 04:54.39 | Evet | its wrong place to find a debian user |
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| 04:54.47 | Evet | try ##windows |
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| 05:04.24 | martian67 | !troll Evet |
| 05:04.49 | Evet | hi martian67, wassup? |
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| 05:35.40 | tweek__ | so I guess FreeBSD's VirtualBox support is a little flaky for the moment |
| 05:36.01 | tweek__ | if I migrate to Debian will I live to regret it? |
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| 05:36.52 | cantido | tweek__: virtualbox works fine here |
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| 05:38.45 | tweek__ | does Debian's apache package have support for suexec, so that I can run CGI scripts as a different user? |
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| 05:41.30 | dazman | tweek__: yup. |
| 05:41.47 | tweek__ | using it on an embedded ARM it seems ... tolerable |
| 05:41.50 | dazman | apache2-suexec and apache2-suexec-custom as packages. |
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| 05:43.45 | tweek__ | probably going to run into all sorts of surprises, but ... it's gotta be better than kernel pf's and no hardware virt support |
| 05:43.54 | tweek__ | does Debian have anything similar to the handbook? |
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| 05:45.20 | dazman | tweek__: There isn't one document which is as good as the handbook... (without buying a book) |
| 05:45.32 | dazman | tweek__: there are, though, lots of different documents.. |
| 05:45.42 | dazman | tweek__: The handbook is very very good, though :p |
| 05:47.44 | flourish | hi all. how can i see the lines that are deleted from a file by runtime, hum, maybe just the oppsite function of tail -f |
| 05:47.48 | tweek__ | well, how much is the book? |
| 05:47.55 | tweek__ | and how soon will it be out of date |
| 05:48.24 | tweek__ | one of my main gripes with Linux is that in place of documentation, you have a bunch of mailing list posts from three years ago if you're lucky |
| 05:49.24 | nevyn | tweek__: this is a reasonable gripe |
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| 05:49.44 | nevyn | tweek__: but at the end of the day.. the code is the documentation. ;) |
| 05:50.38 | tweek__ | ugh I've heard that before |
| 05:50.56 | tweek__ | ever try writing a kernel driver in Linux? you spend a lot of time looking through headers / implementation |
| 05:51.47 | Thick_McRunfast | has given up on his kernel driver efforts |
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| 05:52.11 | backslas17 | hey guys - is there a log that say when the computer was shut down? |
| 05:52.14 | backslas17 | debian |
| 05:52.23 | bullgard4 | Why does http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch06.en.html#_the_remote_access_server_and_utility_ssh list in the columns 'popcon' quite differnt things than the most popular Debian packages? |
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| 05:59.51 | cantido | bullgard4: I think you can find that in syslog |
| 06:00.31 | Thick_McRunfast | syslog is the correct answer. Also, last shows messages when the system rebooted, |
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| 06:00.36 | cantido | never reboots |
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| 06:01.56 | cahoot | running what kernel version atm? |
| 06:02.17 | Thick_McRunfast | 9.7.0 |
| 06:02.47 | cantido | you have a time machine? |
| 06:02.55 | Thick_McRunfast | Yes, actually. |
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| 06:03.12 | Thick_McRunfast | but that really has nothing to do with me having 9.7.0 |
| 06:03.32 | cantido | the latest kernel is 2.6.31 I think |
| 06:03.51 | Thick_McRunfast | Bah, nonsense. I'm running 9.7.0 |
| 06:04.40 | backslas17 | haha |
| 06:04.44 | Thick_McRunfast | uname -r: 9.7.0 |
| 06:04.51 | cantido | that not linux then ;) |
| 06:05.06 | Thick_McRunfast | Never said it was ^^ |
| 06:05.24 | cantido | ok, I'm on 5.10 then |
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| 06:06.12 | Thick_McRunfast | Neat |
| 06:06.58 | Thick_McRunfast | Now that we've established that there are plenty of operating systems as good or better at various things than Linux, back to on-topic chat. |
| 06:07.01 | Thick_McRunfast | I'm going to sleep. |
| 06:07.21 | binarystar | does anyone know ? "1ip , 1server, alot domains, how to monitoring each domain traffic" |
| 06:07.40 | cantido | binarystar: what service? http? |
| 06:08.15 | cantido | binarystar: you can't really monitor that at the ip level unless you start inspecting packets |
| 06:08.39 | binarystar | cantido , i use to varnish |
| 06:08.49 | binarystar | and i got a lot domains |
| 06:10.49 | cantido | binarystar: ok, so from a quick google that is some sort of HTTP proxy/accel package.. you should be able to configure per vhost logs for it |
| 06:11.22 | Thick_McRunfast | If you're using apache just do separate log files, then parse the logs |
| 06:11.23 | Thick_McRunfast | problem solved |
| 06:11.40 | Thick_McRunfast | Actually, if you're doing anything just do separate logfiles and parse the logs |
| 06:11.43 | Thick_McRunfast | Or just parse the logs |
| 06:13.46 | tweek__ | I thought Debian used 2.6.26 |
| 06:13.49 | tweek__ | or maybe that's just ARM |
| 06:13.59 | binarystar | catido, quick google? that is tools? |
| 06:14.12 | cantido | binarystar: google, as in the search engine |
| 06:14.21 | cantido | tweek__: lenny is still 2.6.26 |
| 06:15.08 | binarystar | cantido, okay you said mean, i search in google? |
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| 06:15.57 | cantido | binarystar: That varnish thing you're using seems to be a HTTP server, you should get some standardish log files out of that which you can parse |
| 06:16.18 | cantido | binarystar: the domain being requested is in the http request, so you can grep out each domain |
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| 06:17.51 | tweek__ | well, time to download Debian I guess |
| 06:17.59 | binarystar | cantido, okay i want snmp |
| 06:18.00 | Hukka | Hi all. I'm having a weird problem with my server. At first my mutt stopped responding, then I noticed the same with vim. And dmesg and reboot. ls /var/log waits forever too, but ps and top work, which tell me that iowait takes all the cpu |
| 06:18.11 | Hukka | What on earth is happening and what could I do? |
| 06:19.18 | tweek__ | wait a sec |
| 06:19.33 | tweek__ | five DVDs? does this just include every version of every package ever to exist |
| 06:19.34 | cantido | binarystar: mmmm well, you'll need a webserver that does snmp then, I don't think any do |
| 06:19.47 | cantido | tweek__: you only need the first disk |
| 06:19.53 | cantido | tweek__: s/disk/disc/ |
| 06:20.42 | binarystar | cantido, ye, but that private webserver |
| 06:20.45 | cantido | binarystar: apache has a status system for report how many threads are running, active connections etc but I dont think that goes down to the vhost level |
| 06:20.56 | binarystar | cantido, i can use only vanish server |
| 06:21.08 | binarystar | vanish(reverse proxy) --------> alot domains servers |
| 06:22.25 | cantido | binarystar: ok, what stats exactly do you want? most of what you want is going to be in the access logs of either your frontend (varnish) or on the backend servers |
| 06:23.37 | binarystar | i want backend servers each traffic from frontend |
| 06:24.28 | Saz|Laptop | is there a way to send an SMS with skype via commandline if I don't have any xserver installed |
| 06:24.36 | binarystar | 1. iptables -m string "domains" + NAT 2.virtual ethernet |
| 06:25.18 | binarystar | cantido, what do you thing about my idea? |
| 06:25.47 | cantido | binarystar: if you have one server for each domain you can just count the traffic going from your frontend machine to that backend machine |
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| 06:26.36 | rmrfchik | oh, nice: *** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: libnss3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:26.58 | cantido | binarystar: if you have multiple vhosts on your backends it won't work without taking the requests apart and parsing what vhost the request is for |
| 06:27.47 | binarystar | :'( |
| 06:28.04 | cantido | binarystar: this is why SSL doesn't work with vhosts |
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| 06:28.35 | binarystar | very difficult |
| 06:28.38 | cantido | binarystar: named vhosts at least |
| 06:29.11 | cantido | binarystar: you should have access logs from varnish that you can parse though |
| 06:29.31 | binarystar | okay |
| 06:30.05 | binarystar | :'( |
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| 06:30.30 | cantido | I'm not sure what you would use to turn that into something you can access over snmp though |
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| 06:31.15 | cantido | binarystar: squid apparently has some snmp support built in |
| 06:31.23 | binarystar | wow |
| 06:31.33 | binarystar | is squid snmp support? |
| 06:32.23 | cantido | squid has some snmp monitoring, I don't know how far it goes though |
| 06:32.33 | binarystar | okay thx |
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| 06:34.06 | cantido | I guess theres an snmp module apache too |
| 06:34.27 | binarystar | i like vanish performance |
| 06:34.30 | binarystar | :'( |
| 06:34.42 | binarystar | simple configure |
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| 06:35.30 | cantido | binarystar: there's some mailinglist posts from ~2007 about whether snmp monitoring is going to be added and some dev says they don't think it'd be all that useful |
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| 07:15.56 | Evet | I'm going to build a virtual machine for each my websites. Which one do you suggest? Full virtualization or kernel sharing? |
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| 07:17.01 | Saz|Laptop | I need to execute a command whever my server load is above a certain number, how would I do this? |
| 07:17.10 | Saz|Laptop | for example, if the load is above 10 |
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| 07:25.47 | azeem_ | Saz|Laptop: probably easiest with an external monitoring tool like nagios? |
| 07:26.19 | Saz|Laptop | azeem_, i didn't want to install a monitoring tool just to run a command when the server load is > 10 |
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| 07:26.38 | Saz|Laptop | it seems rather trivial to do, I just dont know how to do it |
| 07:26.51 | nighter | write a script? |
| 07:27.20 | fireba11 | Saz|Laptop: slab together a cronjob that checks load output for values > 10 .. use the munin plugin for load as cheat sheet :-) |
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| 07:28.09 | nighter | Saz|Laptop: just write a script that pool the info from /proc/loadavg |
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| 07:28.19 | ewook | Saz|Laptop: check against /proc/loadavg |
| 07:28.43 | ewook | nighter: phaw :P |
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| 07:29.12 | Saz|Laptop | i forgot about /proc/loadavg, i was going to awk uptime |
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| 07:32.20 | binarystar | does anyone Monitoring virtual domains' bandwidth on a Linux box???? So here's my question, is it possible to break down the traffic use by> IP coming off that single Linux machine? |
| 07:33.08 | ewook | !ntop |
| 07:33.08 | dpkg | ntop is, like, located at http://www.ntop.org/ |
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| 07:34.58 | rsync | hi, how I can enable kdm remote control? |
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| 07:39.55 | Evet | Which is better for server? Debian 32 or Debian 64? |
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| 07:43.44 | g0rd0n | i have an athlon xp 2500+, shall i get ux-image-2.6-686 or ux-image-2.6-486? |
| 07:44.03 | fireba11 | Evet: depends on use. though i always go with 64-bit if the hardware supports it |
| 07:44.20 | ewook | Evet: none. you adapt the type after your hardware. |
| 07:44.48 | g0rd0n | or linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 07:45.10 | Evet | fireba11, ewook my hardware supports 64bit |
| 07:45.34 | Evet | g00se, is there a kernel named ...amd |
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| 07:45.50 | ewook | Evet: and how much mem du you have? |
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| 07:46.41 | Evet | ewook, 8 gigs |
| 07:46.51 | Shadur | murmmjau: Spam someplace else. |
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| 07:47.20 | ewook | Evet: go with the 64 :) |
| 07:47.38 | Evet | ewook, okey dokey :) |
| 07:48.12 | klbate | Are there any advantages to running AMD64 Debian on a AMD64 system compared to running IA-32 Debian on it? |
| 07:48.32 | g00se | linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 07:49.08 | klbate | I'm having a long-standing kernel bug with the 64 bit version that never seem to get fixed, so I was thinking about switching to 32 bit to see if it would go away... |
| 07:49.48 | azeem_ | klbate: are you sure the bug is fixed on 32bit? |
| 07:49.53 | klbate | No. |
| 07:50.02 | azeem_ | also, maybe you can just install a 32bit kernel, not sure |
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| 07:55.51 | tweek__ | why does Debian allocate 6GB for swap and 5GB for /usr by default? |
| 07:56.16 | tweek__ | (on a 300GB drive) |
| 07:56.34 | nux | don't use the defaults if you don't want to |
| 07:56.44 | klbate | The default for /usr in particular is tiny. |
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| 07:59.12 | klbate | I think I'll just wipe the entire disk on my laptop and do a reinstall of 32-bit Testing. |
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| 07:59.19 | kraut | moin |
| 07:59.23 | abchirk_ | moin |
| 07:59.38 | klbate | If the bug is still there, well, at least I can adjust the partition sizes. |
| 07:59.47 | azeem_ | what's the bug anyway? |
| 08:00.05 | klbate | The kernel does not find my DVD drive when ACPI is on. |
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| 08:03.09 | phorce1 | hmmm no way to umask a single directory tree. That sucks. crontab hack here we come. (trying to make fully shared music/pic/video directory tree on the system I'm building for the uncle's family --- veryone able to read/write/delete any files in the shared tree. "sticky" doesn't seem to work with Nautilus drag-n-drop of files, they get saved with owner/group set to the user who dropped them in the folder so no one else can do any |
| 08:03.18 | klbate | Looks like my bug report on bugs.debian.org has been archived even though it isn't fixed. The one on kernel.org is still open though. |
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| 08:04.43 | phorce1 | Tiffon: everything inside one case. I considered setting up a samba shared directory even though there will be no network but that's a pain in the rear |
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| 08:06.48 | phorce1 | I just set up a cron run every 15 minutes that does a chmod -R 777 and chown -R nobody:localshare on the shared tree (all users are in group 'localshare') |
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| 08:13.49 | g00se | phorce1: What about setting the group of the family to, say, 'media' and then apply the correct group umask for each 'media' user? |
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| 08:17.22 | klbate | Is it normal for kacpid to constantly use around 20% CPU on a 1.2GHz Core2Duo? |
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| 08:18.18 | scream_ | klbate, it uses 0 on my laptop |
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| 08:18.30 | xsdg | klbate: I'm going to go ahead and say "no" |
| 08:18.50 | klbate | Also, the disk LED is _always_ on after I've come back from a suspend. |
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| 08:19.27 | xsdg | klbate: check `top` |
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| 08:19.49 | xsdg | is there IO-wait going on? ("wa") |
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| 08:20.04 | phorce1 | g00se: Setting up private home directories and a public shared directory tree. Changing umask makes ALL files written use the new umask, everywhere. |
| 08:20.26 | phorce1 | editor /etc/crontab ===> 0/15 * * * * root chmod -R 777 /localshare ===> 2/15 * * * * root chown -R nobody:localshare /localshare/* |
| 08:21.06 | klbate | xsdg: Where do I see that? |
| 08:21.11 | xsdg | klbate: at the top |
| 08:21.19 | phorce1 | works OK for a quick hack that won't cause me grief trying to track down what umask changes have done |
| 08:22.26 | klbate | xsdg: Very little, it hovers between 0.0%wa and 0.5% wa. |
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| 08:23.09 | xsdg | yeah, so not really |
| 08:23.18 | xsdg | klbate: where is the 20%? (on that same row) |
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| 08:24.13 | klbate | xsdg: System, and always on core 0. |
| 08:24.40 | xsdg | system; exciting |
| 08:24.49 | xsdg | klbate: does anything useful show up in `dmesg`? |
| 08:26.09 | klbate | xsdg: Nothing I can see. |
| 08:27.09 | xsdg | klbate: not sure what to suggest, then |
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| 08:27.16 | klbate | Well, there is "ACPI: EC: missing confirmations, switch off interrupt mode." after the wakeup, not sure what that means. |
| 08:27.18 | xsdg | other than "try a more recent kernel" |
| 08:27.32 | tweek__ | I just put all that stuff on a separate FAT-partitioned drive years ago |
| 08:27.33 | xsdg | oh, yeah, that seems related |
| 08:27.59 | scream_ | klbate, it means that ACPI goes into polling mode which is bad. maybe BIOS update is in order? :) |
| 08:28.01 | tweek__ | media was streamed from other Windows clients through Samba or whatever |
| 08:28.12 | xsdg | yeah, scream_ said what I was thinking |
| 08:28.22 | xsdg | which explains the 20% cpu utilization from kacpid |
| 08:28.26 | klbate | scream_: Would that explain why it's eating processing power? |
| 08:28.28 | klbate | Ah. |
| 08:28.29 | tweek__ | could also use some sort of music daemon to control playback, or host to a 360 or something |
| 08:28.34 | xsdg | klbate: btw, kacpid == kernel ACPI daemon |
| 08:28.44 | klbate | xsdg: Yeah, I suspected that. :) |
| 08:28.48 | xsdg | :o) |
| 08:29.02 | klbate | I wonder if this is related to the fact that the kernel won't find the DVD drive when ACPI is on. |
| 08:29.11 | scream_ | klbate, instead of using acpi interrupt, it tries to periodically check for new acpi data |
| 08:29.23 | klbate | Maybe the ACPI is just crap in general on this hardware/BIOS. |
| 08:29.29 | xsdg | klbate: unfortunately, I have no idea what "EC: missing confirmations" might mean |
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| 08:30.00 | scream_ | do a BIOS update. most likely you'll fix the 20% issue |
| 08:30.04 | xsdg | klbate: I would try a newer kernel, though that can turn into a lot of yak-shaving if you've not done it before |
| 08:30.38 | bullgard4 | [Ubuntu 9.04] '~$ man ssh-askpass; NAME=gnome-ssh-askpass; DESCRIPION=gnome-ssh-askpass is a ...' Is this an error or what is the intention? |
| 08:30.44 | klbate | xsdg: I installed every new kernel from 2.6.26 to 2.6.30 to test the DVD thing before I gave up on that... |
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| 08:32.02 | xsdg | klbate: I would still check if the 20% thing happens with 2.6.30, but yeah, that your DVD drive still doesn't work might mean it's time to look for BIOS updates |
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| 08:33.10 | g00se | phorce1: I think you could use setfacl on the share directory and change the mask and default permissions. |
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| 08:34.22 | phorce1 | g00se: setfacl <=== I had never heard of that --- googling, thanks |
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| 08:35.33 | beardy | acl is crap, wont work as you expect it. |
| 08:35.38 | xsdg | phorce1: basically, "you cannot do this with standard UNIX perms" |
| 08:35.50 | beardy | phorce1: Do use the sticky bit and a shared group like I said. |
| 08:36.29 | phorce1 | beardy: see the reply I posted in #d-ot --- ehh, I'll repost it here |
| 08:36.33 | phorce1 | it doesn't seem to behave correctly when files are dragged/dropped with nautilus. I may have something else twitched out of place though. I have all week to play with it. |
| 08:36.49 | beardy | Well, then don't drag files with nautilus.. |
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| 08:37.09 | phorce1 | xsdg: hence the ugly crontab hack I'm using until I find a "better way" |
| 08:37.32 | xsdg | phorce1: :o) |
| 08:37.33 | phorce1 | beardy: heh --- the people using this machine will know no other way. |
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| 08:37.54 | xsdg | phorce1: ACLs are definitely what you want, in theory. I have no idea what POSIX ACLs are like, though (I've only used OpenAFS ACLs, which aren't too bad) |
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| 08:41.18 | phorce1 | xsdg: this is one of those things that if it gets REALLY complicated, the crontab hack will stay in place. It's a computer for aunt/uncle/niece/nephew to do basic internet access and whatever non-net games I can get the hardware to support. I have the /home/user directories set to private using groups and I wanted a public set of shared music/video/image directories that everyone can read/write/delete anything that's in them |
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| 08:41.44 | xsdg | phorce1: I'm not suggesting you do this |
| 08:41.55 | xsdg | phorce1: it was just an offhand comment :o) |
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| 08:43.05 | klbate | Is there a way to see the BIOS version currently installed, without rebooting and reading it off the screen? A /proc file maybe? |
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| 08:46.39 | valholl | I need some suggestions for lightweight software: I'm preparing a pc with just 128MB RAM for my mother who is not computer illiterate, but is allergic to the command line; I would need some suggestions for a package manager gui and a file manager (I've installed IceWM as a WM) |
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| 08:47.59 | valholl | also, what should I use to get a gui-friendly sudo? |
| 08:48.50 | Pumuk_Lee | valdyn: gksu |
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| 08:50.53 | tweek__ | does Debian dump 500MB+ of kernel modules into /lib/modules like Fedora does? |
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| 08:51.07 | mosno | tweek__: 500MB? |
| 08:51.16 | mosno | tweek__: that sounds excessive |
| 08:51.19 | Caelum | hello, I'm trying to apply the debian patch to a vanilla 2.6.30 from kernel.org and this is what I get: http://scsys.co.uk:8001/32271 |
| 08:51.23 | tweek__ | that's what I thought |
| 08:51.36 | mosno | tweek__: debian has a "targeted" build of the initrd |
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| 08:52.09 | bvs | my modules dir is about 80MB i think |
| 08:52.13 | craigevil | tweek__: i have 3 different kernels installed and /lib/modules is only 140mb |
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| 08:52.40 | shylent | hello. The situation is as follows - package lists some meta-package (in this case, apache2) in its dependencies. If I understand correctly, apache2 meta-package actually means mpm-prefork of mpm-worker or mpm-events, whatever. Why does apt-get insist on removing an existing mpm-worker package and replacing it with mpm-prefork? Both of those packages satisfy the meta-package dependency. What is the problem then? |
| 08:52.47 | mosno | tweek__: 64MB here, that's inlcuding external stuff like nvidia and vbox |
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| 08:52.55 | tweek__ | my Fedora install on this machine is kind of fubar |
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| 08:53.08 | tweek__ | speficially because I didn't set aside enough space in /var |
| 08:53.19 | tweek__ | who would have guessed that packages are cached there |
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| 08:53.33 | tweek__ | also not enough on / for new kernels or whatnot, and it automatically retains the last two |
| 08:53.40 | craigevil | !ops murmmjau spam |
| 08:53.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: craigevil complains about: murmmjau spam |
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| 08:53.50 | themill | shylent: it shouldn't do that. Can you pastebin the command you gave and the entire output? Also, /msg dpkg why aptitude ; /msg dpkg bat |
| 08:53.59 | ikanobori | Is it possible to dist-upgrade a sarge install to a squeeze install or would I be better off just reinstalling the box. |
| 08:54.01 | Evet | cantido, here? |
| 08:54.06 | tweek__ | does Debian use /usr/local as religiously as FreeBSD does? |
| 08:54.15 | bvs | tweek__, you mean like in debian :) |
| 08:54.17 | xsdg | tweek__: no |
| 08:54.19 | mosno | tweek__: it leaves it alone |
| 08:54.24 | craigevil | ikanobori: you would have to do sarge>etch>lenny |
| 08:54.32 | Caelum | craigevil: why? |
| 08:54.33 | ikanobori | craigevil: Mrm, that confirms my suspicions. |
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| 08:54.36 | tweek__ | I've heard that ports committers will reject ports if it does anything funny outside of /usr/local in a chroot |
| 08:54.44 | ikanobori | tweek__: That is correct. |
| 08:54.48 | ikanobori | Also, any leftover files. |
| 08:55.07 | tweek__ | so, if I install a bunch of packages |
| 08:55.12 | ikanobori | Unless the specific port has a purpose in being somewhere else. |
| 08:55.15 | tweek__ | I can expect them to go into /usr/bin, /usr/lib64, /etc... |
| 08:55.20 | xsdg | tweek__: yes |
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| 08:55.37 | tweek__ | alright, thanks, that helps to decide how to partition this thing |
| 08:55.39 | xsdg | tweek__: also, debian doesn't use /opt (dunno if FBSD does) |
| 08:55.45 | tweek__ | no one uses /opt |
| 08:55.47 | Caelum | ikanobori: I think it should mostly work, you might have to manually tweak some things though |
| 08:55.49 | tweek__ | god that's what 10 years old? |
| 08:55.57 | tweek__ | I remember when KDE used to go in there |
| 08:56.03 | xsdg | tweek__: hehe |
| 08:56.16 | xsdg | adminned a Solaris machine a bunch of years back |
| 08:56.17 | Caelum | people still use /opt, for commercial packages for example |
| 08:56.20 | craigevil | actually if you install the google chrome .deb it uses opt |
| 08:56.38 | Caelum | I have crossover and DB2 in /opt |
| 08:56.39 | shylent | themill: http://pastebin.com/d2cc474f1 (it is rather long, but you can just search for apache) |
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| 08:57.06 | xsdg | tweek__: as a word of warning, don't underprovision /tmp or /var (the package cache is at /var/cache/apt) |
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| 08:59.35 | themill | shylent: cacti uses php5 -- you have to use apache2-mpm-prefork with php. |
| 09:00.22 | xsdg | haha, php sucks |
| 09:00.30 | xsdg | sorry, *cough* |
| 09:00.39 | xsdg | I guess that wasn't a productive comment :o) |
| 09:00.57 | Caelum | nothing wrong with stating the truth |
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| 09:01.15 | Caelum | can't php run over fastcgi too? |
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| 09:01.18 | xsdg | has a quote from a friend about this very topic |
| 09:01.19 | shylent | themill: oh my.. I would have never thought it doesn't actually work with mpm-worker |
| 09:01.29 | shylent | themill: thanks a lot |
| 09:01.53 | ikanobori | Caelum: Yes it can. |
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| 09:01.56 | xsdg | "The reason we're not running mpm_worker is that PHP is a piece of shit." --eefi |
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| 09:04.07 | shylent | oh well.. that's a letdown |
| 09:05.04 | themill | shylent: php doesn't handle threading gracefully and you end up with all manner of mess if you use the wrong mpm. There's a comment in /usr/share/doc/apache* about that somewhere... |
| 09:05.26 | tweek__ | eefi is being too lenient on PHP |
| 09:06.50 | macrobat | is there a mime-editor for debian? |
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| 09:09.03 | xsdg | macrobat: `apt-cache search mime editor` |
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| 09:10.41 | macrobat | ty, found assogiate. was harder to find with aptitude search |
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| 09:18.10 | macrobat | so, if i want to open .tiff files in gimp do i edit that in assogiate? i cant seem to find anything useful |
| 09:18.18 | macrobat | help cant be opened |
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| 09:19.31 | xsdg | macrobat: what are you using to "open" them? |
| 09:20.25 | macrobat | clicking "help" > "contents" in the assogiate menu :) |
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| 09:20.42 | macrobat | maybe assogiate is gnome only? i use xfce4 |
| 09:21.01 | themill | from the package description "AssoGiate is an editor of the MIME file types database for GNOME." |
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| 09:22.16 | macrobat | is there another way to control what app opens what mimetype? |
| 09:22.44 | themill | macrobat: check the documentation for whatever program you are using to open them (e.g. your file browser) |
| 09:25.12 | macrobat | there is only rightclick on a file and "open with" so with a new install or if i install a new app, i have to rightclick on possible mime types of files. |
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| 09:26.00 | macrobat | a lot of work, i would like to have it accessible in one place. i use thunar as a fm |
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| 09:29.03 | server_side | i have an inel core 2 duo cpu, i would like to run 64 bit debian would that be the ia64 package i would require? |
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| 09:29.28 | petemc | server_side: no, amd64 |
| 09:30.02 | server_side | petemc: amd 64, isnt that for amd cpus? |
| 09:30.44 | petemc | no, its for x86_64 |
| 09:30.49 | ikanobori | server_side: No. |
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| 09:31.23 | server_side | ok great, thankyou, the small package i shall download will that give me the basic setup i need to custmoize my install? |
| 09:32.12 | petemc | server_side: if you want amd64, you need to install debian with amd64 media |
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| 09:33.13 | klbate | OK, a BIOS upgrade took care of the kacpid-eating-20%-CPU-time problem, even though it still says "ACPI: EC: missing confirmations, switch off interrupt mode" when I come back from a suspend. |
| 09:33.13 | server_side | petemc: yes i am downloading the amd64 version of the small cd, will that install the os alone with no software packages? |
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| 09:33.25 | klbate | Still no DVD drive though unless I turn ACPI off. |
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| 09:33.50 | petemc | server_side: if you tell it to |
| 09:33.55 | klbate | (and the disk LED is still always on after a suspend) |
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| 09:34.57 | xsdg | klbate: :o/ |
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| 09:36.59 | macrobat | server_side: if you use the netinstall cd, dont check any of the boxes for desktop, web server etcetera |
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| 09:37.40 | zothos | hi all |
| 09:37.48 | klbate | will try some more BIOS voodoo. |
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| 09:39.10 | macrobat | server_side: its appears quite a bit into the install process. you can later install pkgs like less or locate |
| 09:39.20 | deetah_ | can I force debootstrap to stick to a "testing" repo? |
| 09:41.40 | yangp | Anyone experienced with HSDPA modems, I cannot establish the connection, here is the error http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-networking/151042-zte-mf622-connection-problem.html |
| 09:42.19 | petemc | deetah_: debootstrap is just a bunch of scripts, there is a squeeze script - is that not what you want? |
| 09:42.38 | deetah_ | petemc: squeeze is the current testing deb? |
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| 09:42.47 | deetah_ | been a long time since I tried debian |
| 09:42.47 | petemc | deetah_: yes it is |
| 09:43.01 | server_side | thanks macrobat, does debian support wlan cards? |
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| 09:43.25 | deetah_ | uh-uh. and then should I change in /etc/apt/sources.list "squeeze" to "testing" if I don't want to stay at a single version? |
| 09:43.30 | petemc | server_side: anything supported by the linux kernel is supported by debian |
| 09:43.38 | petemc | deetah_: do what? |
| 09:43.50 | server_side | is ubuntu debian based? |
| 09:43.55 | yangp | server_side: yep |
| 09:44.03 | petemc | deetah_: oh, you want to get the new testing when it comes out, sure, you can do that, but it will take a while |
| 09:44.05 | server_side | great, sounds very promising. |
| 09:44.12 | klbate | So... after a BIOS upgrade, and after changing the device type of the DVD drive from [CD-ROM] to [NONE] in the BIOS, Linux finds my DVD drive. |
| 09:44.21 | klbate | I will never buy a laptop from Zepto again. |
| 09:44.28 | server_side | any tips on configuring debian to boot really fast? |
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| 09:44.58 | deetah_ | petemc: so it's not as easy as changing the repo? thought "testing" symlinks to squeeze on their repos. |
| 09:45.04 | yangp | server_side: remove unwanted daemons with sys-rc-conf |
| 09:45.13 | yangp | sysv-rc-conf |
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| 09:45.40 | petemc | deetah_: it is, if you use "testing" rather than "squeeze" , you will get whatever is testing |
| 09:45.55 | server_side | yangp: how would i know which ones i could remove without breaking the system? |
| 09:45.59 | deetah_ | petemc: so I just debootstrap squeeze and then modify /etc/apt/sources.list, right? |
| 09:46.01 | petemc | deetah_: i wouldnt recommend that tho, after a new stable is released, testing can be quite broken for a while |
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| 09:46.09 | binarystar | does anyone know " one server, a lot domains , bandthwidth monitor each domains? |
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| 09:46.41 | yangp | server_side: good question, there was a tool called "sysvconfig" which had a remark "don't touch this", but that tool got removed from debian recently |
| 09:46.45 | deetah_ | petemc: uh,so I just debootstrap squeeze and then modify /etc/apt/sources.list, right? |
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| 09:47.50 | petemc | deetah_: im sure you'll figure it out |
| 09:47.51 | fireba11 | binarystar: and probably a lot of options to do it :-) |
| 09:48.09 | deetah_ | petemc: so it's not that easy? :p |
| 09:48.37 | petemc | it is, you just run aptitude update after editing sources.list |
| 09:49.15 | deetah_ | oh, thanks. |
| 09:49.20 | deetah_ | that's what I wanted to know ^^ |
| 09:49.25 | binarystar | fireba11, :'( |
| 09:49.34 | macrobat | server_side: here is a lengthy thread on speed http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=14129&sid=37deffb032dd2df72a69e29b06338e67 |
| 09:49.52 | macrobat | i recommend the forums |
| 09:50.07 | binarystar | fireba11, Vanish --------> alot servers : private alot servers |
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| 09:51.00 | binarystar | fireba11, a lot servers traffic monitor from Vanish server |
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| 09:51.33 | binarystar | fireba11, is iptalbes string possible? |
| 09:52.15 | binarystar | iptables -m string "domains" NAT -> virtual ethernet copy ... help |
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| 10:01.43 | BretW | Hi guys, I'm looking for a piece of software I can run that monitors the amount of times files are downloaded from my server. |
| 10:01.54 | BretW | I want to link to files on a forum, but I want to track how many times it's been downloaded. The forum has an attachment system, but that means I have to upload each one. When I've already got a lot of the files on the server and I don't want to upload them again |
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| 10:02.16 | Wooga | how to see list of manualy installed packages? |
| 10:02.33 | rudi_s | BretW: The easiest way would be to check the web server logs (wouldn't track aborted downloads though). |
| 10:02.49 | BretW | Well, I was hoping that I could have a webpage to check them |
| 10:03.09 | maxagaz | how to set a different home folder for a user ? |
| 10:03.54 | rudi_s | BretW: Then use a download script (like download.php?id=xxx) which redirects to the real files and counts the downloads. Just search for them. |
| 10:04.28 | rudi_s | maxagaz: man usermod | less -p home |
| 10:05.09 | maxagaz | rudi_s, i tried it, but unsuccessfully |
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| 10:07.12 | rudi_s | maxagaz: Error message? usermod -d /home/new-home -m user works fine for me. |
| 10:07.25 | omid8bimo | how can i upgarde all pkgs installed on my sys? |
| 10:07.57 | klbate | omid8bimo: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:08.09 | klbate | Assuming you have package sources set. |
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| 10:08.49 | tuxi | hey everybody |
| 10:08.51 | omid8bimo | klbate: i did apt-get update |
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| 10:09.04 | rudi_s | Wooga: aptitude search '~i !~M' works but also lists default programs; aptitude search '~i !~M !~prequired !~pimportant !~pstandard' may be better but may miss some manually installed packages. |
| 10:09.11 | omid8bimo | klbate: but only pkg tree was updated, how can i update everything installed? |
| 10:09.13 | maxagaz | rudi_s, thanks |
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| 10:09.21 | rudi_s | np |
| 10:09.22 | Wooga | rudi_s: thanks |
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| 10:09.29 | tuxi | I just installed debian lenny via netinstall and my wireless connection doesn't work. I already install firmware-iwlwifi but nothing has changed yet |
| 10:09.30 | klbate | omid8bimo: Right, apt-get update only updates the information you have cached locally about available packages. |
| 10:09.41 | tuxi | (I am using an intel pro wireless 3945abg) |
| 10:09.44 | klbate | omid8bimo: After that, to actually upgrade the packages, you do apt-get dist-upgrade. |
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| 10:10.14 | omid8bimo | klbate: let me check |
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| 10:15.07 | thrashold | Is there any PCI Express graphic card currently sold, supporting two DVI outputs, which has 3D acceleration supported by free drivers? Preferably recent one? |
| 10:15.12 | tuxi | may someone help me? |
| 10:16.12 | tuxi | thrashold, ATi Graphics cards will get free driver support with 3D Acceleration soon |
| 10:16.18 | klbate | Is there any way in Gnome to make sure that the windows of a certain program will only appear on a certain workspace every time the program is started, like you can in KDE? |
| 10:16.22 | tuxi | R600/R700 based ones |
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| 10:17.32 | ix | Is there any way to look up a hostname entry in the hosts file based on IP address, and *not* via DNS, even if said information should be available? |
| 10:17.41 | thrashold | tuxi, I know that, and I've been delaying the purchase of a graphic card because of this for some time now, but I think I need a new one already |
| 10:17.50 | ix | i.e. if it can't find the entry, it should fail |
| 10:18.58 | thrashold | ix: You can either disable DNS, or look in the hosts file directly |
| 10:19.23 | tuxi | thrashold: why don't you purchase one then? almost all current ATi cards are based on the chips of the R600 or R700 series.... |
| 10:19.29 | tweek__ | 'soon' |
| 10:19.33 | tweek__ | hahahhahaha |
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| 10:19.41 | tweek__ | what has it been, like, two years now? |
| 10:20.13 | thrashold | tuxi, I'm not a gamer, so I'm happy with my integrated card... So I prefer to wait until the said drivers really exist and are not comming "soon" |
| 10:20.32 | tuxi | I'm not talking about the "soon" you mean... |
| 10:20.39 | ix | trifler: like, by grepping and cutting? :-p I was hoping I could avoid that |
| 10:20.45 | thrashold | But I wanted to plug a second monitor now, which I can't with the integrated one :) |
| 10:21.04 | tuxi | but I'm not going to paste the link of the german news site I read this, because this is not the german channel ;) |
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| 10:22.26 | tuxi | well.... |
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| 10:22.43 | tuxi | someone got an idea for my problem concerning my intel pro wireless 3945? |
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| 10:23.08 | lev0n | hi |
| 10:23.10 | tuxi | just installed firmware-iwlwifi and network-manager but it still does not detect it (networkmanager does not, iwlconfig shows me the card) |
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| 10:23.24 | thrashold | Everything after RV570, R580 seems to be missing 3D support |
| 10:23.55 | tuxi | thrashold: http://www.computerbase.de/news/treiber/grafikkarten/ati/2008/dezember/amd_open-source_r600_700-3d-treiber/ |
| 10:23.58 | lev0n | how can i install apache2 without suhoshin patch? becasue after i run aptitude install apache2 and started up apache, i saw that it was patched with suhoshin. |
| 10:24.10 | tuxi | if you don't speak german natively just translate it using google translate |
| 10:24.13 | tuxi | ;) |
| 10:24.18 | lev0n | how can i disable it or how can i install without suhoshin? |
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| 10:25.51 | Trewas | tuxi: I have r600 based card (hd 3450) in work computer and it certainly has no hardware 3d with free drivers... or at least whatever driver is shipped in ubuntu 9.04 |
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| 10:26.21 | Trewas | but at least the free drivers work otherwise, unlike the crashy POS fglrx |
| 10:26.44 | tuxi | sure because that was only the announcement, the drivers are still in development |
| 10:26.51 | tuxi | and ubuntu 9.04 is already 3-4 months old |
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| 10:27.01 | Trewas | yeah, like they will forever be with ATI |
| 10:27.02 | tuxi | it's not stable yet |
| 10:27.04 | tuxi | nope |
| 10:27.07 | thrashold | It seems that the radeonhd guys are working on 3D support, and you can even enable it |
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| 10:27.55 | tuxi | http://www.translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerbase.de%2Fnews%2Ftreiber%2Fgrafikkarten%2Fati%2F2009%2Faugust%2Foffene_radeon-treiber_3d-support_r600_700%2F |
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| 10:28.55 | Trewas | I would definitely still go with nvidia, if I was getting a new graphics card |
| 10:29.15 | tuxi | they aren't offering open source drivers with 3D support either.... |
| 10:29.20 | thrashold | The article sounds like there is 3D support whichi s slower than Mesa software rending :P (Like with my ATI on my laptop :) ) |
| 10:29.39 | Trewas | there has been lots of noises about ATI getting better drivers, but that does not seem to ever happen... so I'll choose nvidia's closed drivers which at least work |
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| 10:29.42 | tuxi | it's currently in the works, but it is done..... |
| 10:30.04 | tuxi | so at least there is a status, but it's not stable yet |
| 10:30.27 | tuxi | and trewas didn't read the article.... |
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| 10:31.55 | Trewas | tuxi: I promise to change my opinion about ATI drivers when good drivers exist in other than vaporware |
| 10:32.16 | tuxi | well... we will see |
| 10:32.17 | tuxi | :) |
| 10:32.37 | tuxi | but I still got my wlan problem... |
| 10:32.50 | tuxi | I got an intel pro wireless 3945 and installed firmware-iwlwifi already |
| 10:32.56 | tweek__ | hell, what's so special about ATI drivers being awful |
| 10:33.12 | tuxi | but network-manager-gnome just does not show it up while clicking on it |
| 10:33.17 | tweek__ | I could walk into a lab full of Fedora 11 machines with recent updates |
| 10:33.26 | tweek__ | run Qt OpenGL demos on any of them |
| 10:33.29 | tweek__ | and get kernel panics |
| 10:33.39 | tuxi | lol |
| 10:33.49 | tweek__ | they run the Intel integrated graphics chipset driver |
| 10:33.55 | tweek__ | the GPL'd one |
| 10:34.12 | tweek__ | clearly that must mean the volunteer open source community will fix them! |
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| 10:35.47 | tuxi | Fedora 11.... |
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| 10:36.45 | tweek__ | yeah, I think the less said the better |
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| 10:39.35 | n0de | hey, im trying to install debian on a machine, but it wont install grub and fails. is there a way to drop to shell and install / setup grub manually? been in shell but its limited. thx :) |
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| 10:41.03 | BretW | Can anyone suggest a download mirror script that will work well on debian 5? :) |
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| 10:41.47 | dancor | which one should i trust |
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| 10:42.35 | JyZyXEL | every time i reboot my box it brings the raid array up in degraded mode |
| 10:42.40 | JyZyXEL | what the fuck? |
| 10:42.47 | g0rd0n | hihi |
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| 10:43.15 | g0rd0n | software or hardware? |
| 10:43.36 | JyZyXEL | mdadm |
| 10:44.09 | JyZyXEL | all the 4 disks are hooked but it only uses 3 disks to bring up the array |
| 10:44.31 | JyZyXEL | and the 4th disk in mdadm -D /dev/md0 is "removed" |
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| 10:46.18 | JyZyXEL | mdadm doesn't even have a channel |
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| 10:48.56 | JyZyXEL | [ 6.542623] raid5: raid level 5 set md0 active with 3 out of 4 devices, algorithm 2 |
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| 10:49.07 | JyZyXEL | whatever starts up the raid detects it wrong |
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| 11:00.25 | maxagaz | how to know the version of xorg i'm using ? |
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| 11:03.39 | rudi_s | maxagaz: aptitude show xorg | grep Version |
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| 11:04.47 | BretW | Can anyone suggest a download mirror script that will work well on debian 5? :) |
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| 11:20.28 | blast_hardcheese | So, I've got a weird problem |
| 11:21.00 | blast_hardcheese | When I open a new terminal emulator my cwd is always /. My $HOME is correct, |
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| 11:27.16 | o2T7 | Are the papers for the debconf9 available somewhere? I'm looking for the Munich's migration one. I got the videos, but I need some details from the presentation that are not readable in the video. Is there any repository for them? |
| 11:28.52 | abrotman | o2T7: you may want to ask #debconf on irc.oftc.net .. if it's still open |
| 11:28.55 | azeem | o2T7: you mean the slide? |
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| 11:28.57 | azeem | slides* |
| 11:29.10 | StianM | Is there other ways to find hotkeys that xev? xev can not see some of the hotkeys I press and they are not suported by keytouch. |
| 11:30.14 | azeem | o2T7: http://planetlimux.org/sites/default/files/LiMux_DebConf-keynote_v2_2009-07-24.pdf |
| 11:30.56 | o2T7 | azeem: sure, slides, sorry. Thanks. |
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| 11:34.24 | deetah_ | is there a way to include sid in my repositories, but use "testing" as the main branch? |
| 11:34.33 | macrobat | StianM: you can install xbindkeys and do xbindkeys -k and put that in a .Xbindkeys file |
| 11:34.34 | abrotman | !tell deetah_ about pinning |
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| 11:35.32 | macrobat | StianM: and put xbindkeys -f .Xbindkeys in .xinitrc if .xinitrc is read |
| 11:36.33 | macrobat | i dont know if xbindkeys sees more keys than xev, though |
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| 11:37.58 | deetah_ | abrotman: "If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... |
| 11:38.11 | abrotman | deetah_: okay, but testing isn't stable ... |
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| 11:38.40 | deetah_ | abrotman: nvm, I think it works the way I wanted. i added the preferences file, put sid under testing. will it pull from sid now only if there is no such package in testing/ |
| 11:38.55 | abrotman | or if you specifically request it |
| 11:39.06 | deetah_ | cool. |
| 11:39.33 | deetah_ | will it save my prefernces? so if I ask it to install linux-image/sid, will it remember it's from sid? |
| 11:39.45 | vitriolic\Bret | Can anyone suggest a download mirror script that will work well on debian 5? :) |
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| 11:41.58 | abrotman | debmirror ? |
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| 11:44.20 | craigevil | deetah_: you might want to take a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=15612&hilit=Mixed |
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| 11:53.17 | deetah_ | craigevil: thanks. ;) |
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| 11:59.38 | grazymax | hi all |
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| 12:04.18 | CosmicB | anybody know of a script/app to crawl through a web site detecting 404's ? |
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| 12:05.34 | mquin | htdig can be used to do that, there's probably other ways too |
| 12:06.33 | CosmicB | looking at htdig |
| 12:06.39 | Sevet | http://validator.w3.org/checklink |
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| 12:06.54 | Sevet | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/532 |
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| 12:07.15 | Sevet | htdig probably fits the 'crawler' part better though |
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| 12:08.13 | themill | CosmicB: klinkstatus can do it. There's a free-as-in-beer windows program that works quite fine with wine called "Xenu linksleuth" that I've used in the past too. |
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| 12:09.04 | blast_hardcheese | When I open a new terminal emulator my cwd is always /. My $HOME is correct, /home/blast_hardcheese, when I type pwd it's always /. What's even more weird is that if I change directories, while that shell is open new Terminals that are spawned start in that directory |
| 12:09.05 | themill | judd info linklint |
| 12:09.06 | judd | themill: linklint (web): is optional; Version: 2.3.5-5; Size: 88.3k; Installed: 432k -- A fast link checker and web site maintenance tool |
| 12:09.11 | blast_hardcheese | Is this a feature? |
| 12:09.18 | blast_hardcheese | Seems unfortunate and useless |
| 12:10.29 | themill | blast_hardcheese: check your shell startup scripts to make sure you don't have a "cd /" or similar in them. Also make sure that the .desktop file to start your terminal doesn't have a path configured in it |
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| 12:11.51 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: does it happen for all users ? |
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| 12:11.57 | CosmicB | Sevet mquin and themill cheers |
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| 12:13.10 | ix | Is it possible for me to use wildcards when copying files to folders? I'd like to copy a file to /x/y/x/x and /x/z/x/x -- i.e. their paths are similar, except for one "top-level"-folder. |
| 12:13.18 | abrotman | mv it to two places at once ? |
| 12:13.57 | ix | I basically want it to loop through that top-level folder, say, given a regexp. |
| 12:14.19 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: One second, testing |
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| 12:17.16 | et | when trying to apt-install a package in a preseed file and that package is not signed, it errors out. is there a way to prevent that? |
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| 12:17.30 | lev0n | hi guys |
| 12:17.38 | lev0n | how can i install apache2 without suhosin patch? becasue after i run aptitude install apache2 and started up apache, i saw that it was patched with suhosin. |
| 12:17.53 | lev0n | or how can i reconfigure it? |
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| 12:18.10 | lev0n | to disable the patch |
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| 12:18.39 | et | lev0n: http://chrisblunt.com/blog/2009/05/01/php-fixing-mismatched-canaries-how-to-remove-suhosin-from-debianubuntu-packages/ |
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| 12:20.00 | Stian1979 | I have tryed xev and xhotkeys and none of them can find my hotkeys. What do I do next? |
| 12:20.28 | lev0n | et, thx |
| 12:21.26 | abrotman | Stian1979: try something for multimedia keys .. like lineakd |
| 12:22.08 | woshty | where does icedove get the information which app to use with a certain extension? |
| 12:23.09 | blast_hardcheese | a |
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| 12:23.37 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: It happens for all users. Logging in from a virtual terminal doesn't seem to activate it, |
| 12:23.51 | blast_hardcheese | Let me try with xterm instead of Gnome-Terminal |
| 12:24.18 | blast_hardcheese | xterm does it as well |
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| 12:26.41 | csioktel | Blast_har: which shell do U use? |
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| 12:27.37 | blast_hardcheese | bash, |
| 12:27.46 | blast_hardcheese | I have no ~/.bash* files |
| 12:27.56 | csioktel | but /etc/bash* |
| 12:28.07 | csioktel | Or ~/.profile |
| 12:29.12 | csioktel | blast_har: try this one: cd; strace -o /tmp/st.log xterm |
| 12:29.27 | csioktel | then cat /tmp/st.log |
| 12:30.29 | blast_hardcheese | Moved /etc/bash.bashrc out of the way and it still happens |
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| 12:32.48 | Dassu | if vfs is unable to find root partition but hdd is still reg. Is only possibility that the partition table is not supported. |
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| 12:33.26 | Dassu | is using custom kernel without initrd |
| 12:33.29 | mquin | g6 |
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| 12:34.21 | Titan8990 | Dassu, same person? |
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| 12:34.39 | blast_hardcheese | csioktel, What am I supposed to be looking at in st? |
| 12:34.40 | versuchsanstalt | which arch do i have to select for a core2duo? i don't buy machines so often, so sorry for asking something that should be relatively obvious for most people in here... ;-) |
| 12:34.50 | ranix | versuchsanstalt: amd64 |
| 12:34.54 | mquin | 11 |
| 12:35.04 | blast_hardcheese | versuchsanstalt, either amd64 or i386 |
| 12:35.10 | petemc | Dassu: what does "hdd is still reg" mean? |
| 12:35.37 | versuchsanstalt | ranix: uhuh. that's not so obvious for me... thx, also to blast_hardcheese |
| 12:35.40 | blast_hardcheese | If you need 32 bit compatibility, i386, but amd64 runs pretty nicely on my C2D |
| 12:35.44 | csioktel | see which file xterm/bash try to open "grep open /tmp/st.log" |
| 12:35.52 | Stian1979 | So now I have tryed xev and xhotkeys and lineakd and none of them find my remaining missing hotkeys. |
| 12:36.27 | versuchsanstalt | i'll try amd64 and put an i386 install up, too, maybe some of my audio apps could bother |
| 12:36.33 | csioktel | blast_har: maybe try this one first "cd; strace -o /tmp/st.log /bash" |
| 12:36.58 | csioktel | blast_har: s,/bash,/bin/bash, |
| 12:37.10 | blast_hardcheese | csioktel, Almost every line is "No such file or directory" |
| 12:37.36 | csioktel | blast_har: grep open st.log | grep -iv enoent |
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| 12:39.04 | blast_hardcheese | csioktel, and...? |
| 12:39.59 | blast_hardcheese | "Look at what files it opens" is kind of useless |
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| 12:43.40 | aditya | hey |
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| 12:50.02 | shah16 | anyone had luck speaking to gtalk users ?? i tried with ekiga but no voice transmission.. |
| 12:50.31 | shah16 | any good of achieving that? |
| 12:50.37 | shah16 | good way* |
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| 12:55.37 | DaRtH_VaDeR | hi ppl, anybody knows something that works like proxifier ??????? :D |
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| 12:56.51 | petemc | DaRtH_VaDeR: if proxifier is just a proxy, squid |
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| 12:57.25 | ranix | DaRtH_VaDeR: if you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine |
| 12:57.25 | DaRtH_VaDeR | ranix, l o l |
| 12:57.52 | Stian1979 | So now I have tryed xev and xhotkeys and lineakd and none of them find my remaining missing hotkeys. Anyone has any idea how to listen to all input events? I suspect this keys are not registered as hotkeys. |
| 12:57.57 | DaRtH_VaDeR | petemc, i need something like proxychains =/ |
| 12:58.31 | petemc | DaRtH_VaDeR: your idea of describing what you need by mentioning other applications isnt very useful |
| 12:58.34 | petemc | for me, anyway |
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| 12:59.00 | DaRtH_VaDeR | ranix: the circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now I am the master! |
| 12:59.01 | ranix | DaRtH_VaDeR: can you go up one level, conceptually, and tell what exactly it is you're trying to do? |
| 12:59.25 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i need to "jump" the university proxy :P |
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| 12:59.57 | petemc | DaRtH_VaDeR: if you have a machine running outside of the university, you can run squid on that |
| 13:00.00 | ranix | DaRtH_VaDeR: tunnel through SSH to somewhere |
| 13:00.12 | DaRtH_VaDeR | so, in windows there is and application called proxifier, it works pretty good!!! but in linux i could do it with tor but it doesnt work with p2p clients |
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| 13:00.49 | ranix | proxy isn't really going to work well with p2p anyway, you're limited to the upstream of your sole host |
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| 13:01.03 | ranix | you should convert to Usenet for uniersity use |
| 13:01.22 | DaRtH_VaDeR | ranix, yep but if i cant do that i can use the apt and the games! :P |
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| 13:01.39 | qop | hey, what was this way to set all alternatives with, 'alternatives'? dpkg-reconfigure alternatives? |
| 13:01.44 | ranix | DaRtH_VaDeR: what? |
| 13:02.01 | DaRtH_VaDeR | with export http_proxy="http://domainproxy:port" doesnt work anymore :S |
| 13:02.03 | petemc | qop: update-alternatives |
| 13:02.16 | qop | petemc: aha! ty :) |
| 13:02.21 | petemc | np |
| 13:02.49 | RichiH | is there any sane reason why udev would eat 25% cpu of a core2 4400? |
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| 13:03.25 | ranix | RichiH: my magic 8-ball says signs point to no |
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| 13:04.24 | qop | speculation can be fun although |
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| 13:07.27 | qop | mm, I have speak too quick.. what I do not remember is the way to be prompted for every alternative provided by update-alternatives aka just alternatives |
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| 13:07.49 | blast_hardcheese | qop, man update-alternatives? Isn't it just --list? |
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| 13:08.33 | qop | blast_hardcheese: uhm, nope... I found nothing in the man and --list is not recognized |
| 13:08.38 | petemc | qop: update-alternatives --config foo |
| 13:08.44 | themill | --all |
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| 13:08.54 | blast_hardcheese | there you go, --all |
| 13:08.55 | qop | nein :P |
| 13:09.01 | themill | (or use galternatives) |
| 13:09.01 | qop | trie=\ |
| 13:09.04 | qop | d |
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| 13:09.28 | qop | think it was something with dpkg... |
| 13:10.15 | themill | "update-alternatives --all" wfm |
| 13:11.10 | qop | heh... ok ty |
| 13:12.34 | nelsonfx | qop, man update-alternatives |
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| 13:14.24 | datenritter | is there a problem with dirvish and/or rsync? i get: "The --password-file option may only be used when accessing an rsync daemon." on systems with up-to-date packages (from testing) |
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| 13:15.13 | datenritter | (the error doesn't make sense as i AM talking to an rsync deamon. also the config works with an older version.) |
| 13:15.33 | datenritter | rsync version 3.0.6 protocol version 30 / dirvish version 1.2 |
| 13:16.20 | honschu | From package xserver-xorg-core-dbg why can't I start the /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/Xorg ? |
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| 13:19.28 | petemc | datenritter: i use dirvish but not that option, can you use rsync with the option on its own? |
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| 13:21.14 | datenritter | petemc: um, i have to test that later... i'll be back. |
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| 13:23.09 | valdyn | datenritter: maybe you really are talking to rsync over ssh |
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| 13:23.50 | Vutral | mhm |
| 13:23.56 | ajavid | ok |
| 13:24.00 | ajavid | good morning there |
| 13:24.01 | cemunal | hi i want to use latest kernel with debian squeeze is it possible? |
| 13:24.01 | Vutral | strange |
| 13:24.04 | Dassu | AARGH |
| 13:24.05 | ajavid | I have no more stable |
| 13:24.23 | ajavid | I removed 2gb worth packages last night, so conflics went away, now I'm upgrading to sid |
| 13:24.29 | ajavid | :D |
| 13:24.33 | Vutral | what is the default file system |
| 13:24.38 | ajavid | ext3 |
| 13:24.53 | Vutral | did we patch the journaling ? |
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| 13:25.38 | Dassu | petemc: Sry for late answer (I was posting during a lecture with my mobile phone) "hdd is still reg." means that Kernel is able to recognize the hard drive. (The name is displayed during the boot) |
| 13:25.49 | Vutral | i feel like ext2 is reaching the end of its well backwardsupportability |
| 13:26.16 | Vutral | at least in some combinations |
| 13:26.25 | Vutral | it must have been in the coffee |
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| 13:27.08 | Vutral | rofl |
| 13:27.26 | SeySayux | If you install KDE on lenny, is this KDE 3 or KDE 4? |
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| 13:28.03 | JPT | kde3.5 |
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| 13:28.10 | mcgreg | hi |
| 13:28.19 | nighttwix | hi |
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| 13:28.52 | mcgreg | is it possible that a dvd.write cant read dvd-video-discs correctly? whatever I do, I cant get any dvd-video-dvd working |
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| 13:29.31 | SeySayux | JPT: okay, thanks. Nice to find a sensible distro at last |
| 13:29.38 | mcgreg | even though the same works fine with another machine (the only difference is), this one is 32bit , the other is 64bit ... 686/amd64 |
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| 13:30.10 | JPT | mcgreg: is your dvd css-encrypted? |
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| 13:30.20 | Vutral | mhm |
| 13:30.30 | mcgreg | JPT, yeah probably all are. |
| 13:30.37 | Vutral | i need to check the statistics |
| 13:30.50 | Vutral | something is wrong with edunet berlin germany |
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| 13:31.14 | JPT | mcgreg: it might be possible that you're missing libdvdcss(2)... |
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| 13:31.37 | mcgreg | JPT, nope... I have tem insalled |
| 13:31.47 | JPT | mh |
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| 13:31.57 | Vutral | mhm we had a secondary bug tracking solutions ? |
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| 13:32.02 | mcgreg | JPT, I'll show you something |
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| 13:32.10 | JPT | ok |
| 13:32.16 | Vutral | i am sure |
| 13:32.22 | loz | hi all |
| 13:32.30 | Vutral | there must be a secondary one |
| 13:32.36 | mcgreg | JPT, http://pastebin.com/m52364a0d |
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| 13:33.00 | loz | i have some problems with my keyboard in debian/linux |
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| 13:33.58 | JPT | mcgreg: i'm sorry, but i don't have any more ideas |
| 13:34.01 | Bobby-joe | HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 13:34.03 | loz | may be you can help.. |
| 13:34.24 | JPT | loz: describe your problem...i cannot know your problem |
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| 13:34.37 | Vutral | test |
| 13:34.40 | Bobby-joe | :( |
| 13:34.53 | Vutral | adaptec AHA2979 |
| 13:35.03 | Vutral | works |
| 13:35.17 | Poeskop | Thats wsup |
| 13:35.18 | JPT | nice scsi controller :) |
| 13:35.21 | azeem | Poeskop: do you have a Debian question? |
| 13:35.29 | Vutral | lol yeah nice one |
| 13:35.33 | Vutral | hybrid controler |
| 13:35.33 | mcgreg | JPT, ok,thx you anyway |
| 13:35.40 | JPT | np:) |
| 13:35.52 | Poeskop | i don't know what Debian is. Make me wise on Debian please |
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| 13:36.01 | Vutral | lol |
| 13:36.02 | BretW | er |
| 13:36.02 | abrotman | Poeskop: www.debian.org .. have fun |
| 13:36.04 | azeem | Poeskop: then please either keep quiet or leave |
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| 13:37.15 | loz | so i have installed debian lenny in my first PC. and i have second. with some advices i setup multimedia/adcanced keys on keyboard (near 20) they work good. then i connect both PCs to D-Link KVM switch, (VGA+AUDIO+USB_keyboard+USB_mouse). and now my advanced keys don't work =( |
| 13:37.56 | loz | xev program don't view key codes |
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| 13:39.15 | loz | earlier i use <dmesg> messages to associate keyboard-codes with key-codes. now <dmesg> dont show me messages |
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| 13:41.12 | loz | if i connect keyboard to PC without switch, keys are work.. maybe this problem have solution |
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| 13:43.07 | loz | if it all depends on switch hardware so my tries are empty |
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| 13:43.22 | petemc | switch? is that like a kvm? |
| 13:43.37 | petemc | oh, it is |
| 13:43.45 | loz | D-Link KVM 221 switch |
| 13:44.10 | petemc | seems clear the kvm is your problem, which wouldnt suprise me |
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| 13:45.26 | macpower | Hi everybody. |
| 13:45.30 | macpower | How are you ? |
| 13:45.30 | loz | but i need switch.. a cannot without it |
| 13:45.42 | petemc | then no multimedia keys for you |
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| 13:46.21 | petemc | if xev etc dont register anything, the kvm is suppressing whatever the keyboard is sending |
| 13:46.28 | macpower | How I doing for boot debian without initrd ? please |
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| 13:46.46 | loz | hm.. maybe in windows solve this problem =( |
| 13:46.48 | abrotman | macpower: you'd compile your own kernel |
| 13:46.53 | macpower | ok |
| 13:46.56 | macpower | I do |
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| 13:47.00 | EmleyMoor | You may be able to find a different kvm switch that passes those keys |
| 13:47.03 | petemc | loz: i doubt it, but good luck trying |
| 13:47.13 | macpower | but after just doing make bzImage |
| 13:47.28 | macpower | make modules && make modules_install |
| 13:47.35 | loz | EmleyMoor: i just buy it :( |
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| 13:48.02 | EmleyMoor | loz: I would be tempted to return it, explaining the problem... |
| 13:48.12 | macpower | But, I have kernel panic, because my system don't try to mount hdd |
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| 13:48.31 | jmho | hi, I'm trying to install a debian/testing system with the following partitions: sd[hijk]3 should be encrypted volumes (dm-crypt/luks), on top of that there should be a raid0 and on top of that either logical partitions or lvm (whatever is easier to setup). I'm now struggling with debian/testing installer (using netinst images). Is there a way to do this with d-I? |
| 13:48.32 | Vutral | configure coredumps and kexec ? |
| 13:48.45 | Vutral | lvm ? |
| 13:48.45 | macpower | abrotman : HAve you try to boot without initrd ? |
| 13:49.00 | Vutral | evms3.0.0.0.alpha2 |
| 13:49.02 | bzed | jmho: why crypt the single partitions? |
| 13:49.20 | bzed | jmho: create the raid0 on them and the crypt device on top of the raid0 |
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| 13:49.27 | jmho | bzed: because it is faster and more secure, every partition is 300 GB big |
| 13:49.37 | bzed | jmho: doesn't make a difference at all |
| 13:49.42 | bzed | jmho: why do you htink its faster? |
| 13:49.45 | loz | EmleyMoor: i think that everyone kvm switch will have this problem(( |
| 13:49.52 | jmho | bzed: because I tested it |
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| 13:50.01 | bzed | jmho: and evern worse - who gave you the idea that it is more secure? |
| 13:50.04 | jmho | I get 120 MB with single crypt device |
| 13:50.39 | jmho | bzed: orignally I planned to use aes-xts-plain, and that is getting weaker with volumes >1TB |
| 13:50.49 | EmleyMoor | loz: Perhaps... |
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| 13:51.00 | Vutral | do we have eye testing software ? |
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| 13:51.13 | Vutral | i wonder if its the terminal or my eyes |
| 13:51.21 | Vutral | there is dataloss |
| 13:51.24 | jmho | bzed: re multiple encrypted volumes, there is only one kernel thread per volume |
| 13:51.34 | abrotman | macpower: sure .. but what's wrong with the debian kernel ? |
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| 13:52.04 | loz | EmleyMoor: i cant beleve that i first who have this problem =( |
| 13:52.27 | bzed | jmho: well ok, that makes it faster than probably |
| 13:52.41 | jmho | 120MB/s vs. 400 MB/s |
| 13:52.50 | EmleyMoor | loz: I am sure you are not the first. I am not sure there is an answer to your problem but there may be. |
| 13:52.53 | jmho | tested with iozone |
| 13:52.58 | bzed | although it should not be faster imho if it was implemented properly.. |
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| 13:53.28 | loz | this all very sad.. |
| 13:53.28 | jmho | bzed: well, yes and there is work ongoing but it is not yet there |
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| 13:54.24 | loz | 26 unused keys |
| 13:54.38 | EmleyMoor | loz: s/ed/able/ ? |
| 13:54.38 | abrotman | macpower: better to speak here .. now what's wrong with the debian kernel ? |
| 13:54.39 | jmho | bzed: so, from what I understand, d-i only has static mapping templates like 'luks over raid5' or 'lvm over luks over raid5' and you cannot specify it freely? |
| 13:54.42 | loz | who need this( |
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| 13:54.56 | ranix | loz: does your problem exist in Windows as well? |
| 13:55.03 | loz | EmleyMoor: unusable |
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| 13:55.42 | bzed | jmho: never tried it |
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| 13:55.48 | loz | ranix: i havent windows to test it =) |
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| 13:55.57 | jmho | bzed: ah ok |
| 13:55.58 | bzed | jmho: in theory most ways should be possible |
| 13:56.09 | bzed | jmho: actually you don't need md for raid0 |
| 13:56.18 | ranix | loz: I think it may be that your KVM is not properly transmitting the keycodes for the auxillary buttons |
| 13:56.18 | bzed | jmho: just use lvm on top of your crypt devices |
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| 13:56.37 | EmleyMoor | loz: You have one Debian box and what? |
| 13:56.50 | bzed | jmho: using md-raid0 and that lvm on top of that makes things slower |
| 13:56.55 | jmho | bzed: ah ok, and lvm distributes it internally like a raid0 would do? |
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| 13:57.21 | ranix | loz: yes, as EmleyMoor I would like to know what two computers you are using with KVM |
| 13:57.26 | ranix | what besides debian? |
| 13:57.33 | bzed | jmho: you add all partitions to one volume group |
| 13:57.55 | jmho | bzed: understood, thx for the hint |
| 13:57.58 | loz | EmleyMoor: yes... i deinstall windows then i learned linux power |
| 13:58.14 | abrotman | he-man power? |
| 13:58.15 | bzed | jmho: and then you coudl use -i to specify the stripes, but afaik it uses the max.number of vgs |
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| 13:58.20 | ranix | loz: how much MP does it take to cast Linux Power |
| 13:58.33 | bzed | jmho: you need onesmall partition for /boot on one of the disks to boot, don't forget that :) |
| 13:58.37 | EmleyMoor | I will believe it is Debian's problem rather than the KVM if the other keys can be seen by another OS |
| 13:58.51 | clusty | hey |
| 13:58.57 | EmleyMoor | (that doesn't mean I'd know how to fix it) |
| 13:59.10 | abrotman | macpower: ? |
| 13:59.17 | macpower | yes |
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| 13:59.30 | loz | EmleyMoor: ranix : please wait some minutes.. i will run windows 7 at another PC and test it all) |
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| 13:59.38 | clusty | i was wondering how much swap space should I allocate for the new computational cluster, machines with 12GB RAM |
| 13:59.42 | ranix | np |
| 13:59.47 | strenn- | hi |
| 13:59.58 | macpower | abrotman : I don't know how I doing for boot without initrd or initramfs |
| 14:00.10 | abrotman | macpower: what's wrong with the debian kernel ? |
| 14:00.13 | clusty | in theory none should swap, but now and then some smarty pants launch tasks that need more RAM than the machine has |
| 14:00.14 | azeem | clusty: depends on the computations you want to run on it |
| 14:00.19 | azeem | clusty: i.e., you should know yourself |
| 14:01.01 | strenn- | anyone having problem with kvirc 4.0.0 in debian testing? |
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| 14:01.04 | EmleyMoor | strenn-: Yes, you are it seems... |
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| 14:01.16 | clusty | azeem, in theory 0 should swap. just want to make sure the machine survives a big task. actually what is the behaviour when a process asks for more ram than the machine has? |
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| 14:01.52 | ranix | clusty: I'd recommend searching the net for in-depth information on how paging and disk cache works. Also, it depends on what type of memory allocation you are using |
| 14:02.27 | ranix | clusty: a malloc will grab virtual memory, paged or not, as dictated by the OS - you can actually read kernel source to find out exactly what it does |
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| 14:02.59 | loz | EmleyMoor: ranix: i should install windows-driver or i can test keys anower way? |
| 14:03.01 | ranix | clusty: obviously you're not the author of the software that will be running on the machine; I suggest contacting the author with this sort of question |
| 14:03.05 | strenn- | it doesn't show menu when rightclicking on nicks |
| 14:03.40 | EmleyMoor | loz: If there is a Windows driver for the keyboard it may help... |
| 14:03.43 | clusty | ranix, they are science guys with no regard for technical stuff :D |
| 14:03.50 | EmleyMoor | (testing in Windows, that is) |
| 14:03.58 | ranix | clusty: then they did not write the application, bro |
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| 14:04.06 | ranix | see: author |
| 14:04.15 | clusty | ranix, so I need to make sure machine does not choke and they can kill their own tasks once they see they are running too slow |
| 14:04.18 | macpower | abrotman : debian kernel boot correclty, but qhen I don't use initrd, I have kernel panic |
| 14:04.32 | ranix | clusty: is it a general purpose machine? |
| 14:04.42 | loz | hm.. lets God help me |
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| 14:04.49 | loz | etc torvalds |
| 14:04.53 | ranix | clusty: i.e. will not be using a dedicated software suite? |
| 14:05.06 | ajavid | I'm an idiot |
| 14:05.08 | abrotman | macpower: what's wrong with the debian kernel ? why don't you want to use it? |
| 14:05.16 | clusty | ranix, no. it's a headless machine (10 of them actually), that will enable ppl to run stuff on each machine, or use them all via MPI |
| 14:05.17 | abrotman | refrains from comment |
| 14:05.19 | ajavid | I accidentally deleted my os partition! :D |
| 14:05.27 | abrotman | again? |
| 14:05.39 | ajavid | I thought I was on a diff box :( |
| 14:05.43 | clusty | ranix, by dedicated you mean: no oracle or whatever big fat app? |
| 14:05.46 | ajavid | its alright |
| 14:05.49 | macpower | abrotman : Because intird take 3 second for start, and I try to minimize boot time |
| 14:05.56 | ajavid | I think its time to get with the program again |
| 14:06.00 | abrotman | macpower: three seconds? .. seriously? |
| 14:06.04 | ajavid | just installed kde 4.3 |
| 14:06.13 | Vutral | rofl kde 4.3 ? |
| 14:06.17 | macpower | I try to remove the maximum boot time |
| 14:06.24 | ranix | clusty: more I meant, for example, one set of applications that you're building the machine to specifically run - i.e. to fold protein strands or run image recognition on cancer cells or something |
| 14:06.44 | Vutral | kde 4.4 is stable ? |
| 14:06.47 | ranix | clusty: or are students going to *write* applications to run on your system? |
| 14:06.52 | clusty | ranix, that is EXACTLY what I mean :D |
| 14:07.12 | ranix | clusty: which? former or latter |
| 14:07.19 | clusty | ranix, no students. a bunch of collegues: math guys |
| 14:07.33 | ajavid | I used stable for a few months and then I got sick of it |
| 14:07.39 | clusty | ranix, protein code that is wrtitten and built on the machine it will run |
| 14:07.42 | ajavid | kde4.4 is not out, 4.3 is stable enough |
| 14:07.54 | ranix | clusty: yeah just contact the author of the software to find out what kind of swap setup he wants |
| 14:08.06 | ranix | it's a worthwhile question |
| 14:08.11 | ajavid | install sid directly from netboot and now kde4.3 yay |
| 14:08.24 | ranix | if he doesn't know then just make as much swap on each machine as it has RAM and call it a day |
| 14:08.27 | abrotman | i knew he oculdn't resist |
| 14:08.38 | clusty | ranix, pfff. I am the author you could say |
| 14:08.51 | ajavid | abrotman, who? what? |
| 14:08.55 | ranix | haha |
| 14:08.56 | clusty | ranix, i will give the machine some 10GB of swap and screw it |
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| 14:09.02 | abrotman | i knew oyu'd move to kde4 sooner or later .. |
| 14:09.06 | macpower | abrotman : Have you an idea ? |
| 14:09.10 | ajavid | abrotman, well yeah |
| 14:09.12 | azeem | as did Debian |
| 14:09.17 | ranix | read up a couple hours on memory allocation in your language of choice when you have some free time clusty |
| 14:09.20 | ajavid | had to happen sometime |
| 14:09.24 | ranix | it'll teach you how swap is used |
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| 14:09.34 | ajavid | I was getting sick of maintaining a lenny on steroids |
| 14:09.35 | abrotman | macpower: yes, you're compiling your kernel wrong .. you'll have to look at the all the modules currently loaded, make sure they're compiled in .. plus whatever else was already compiled in .. |
| 14:09.41 | abrotman | macpower: just to start ... |
| 14:09.50 | clusty | ranix, i never went past the malloc stage :D |
| 14:10.11 | macpower | ok |
| 14:10.12 | ranix | clusty: yeah totally worth reading what malloc does when the system is out of ram ;) |
| 14:10.13 | macpower | thanks |
| 14:10.17 | ajavid | no matter what I needed to install, i had to backport half the stuff just so it would work with 7.4 xorg in stable, and then just #KDE butts don't even wanna talk about 3.5 |
| 14:10.21 | ajavid | ahhhh boy |
| 14:10.43 | clusty | btw, is there a way to set the max memory a process can allocate? (and kill it if it tries to ask for more) |
| 14:10.59 | ranix | clusty: also if it's an issue, don't forget to actually check the return values of your mallocs to show the user an out of ram error. Malloc returns a specific value (null?) when the system tells you that you have no ram |
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| 14:11.38 | ranix | there should be very very few (*should be zero*) pieces of software in Stable Debian versions that will actually segfault when the system is out of ram, they should handle that exception gracefully |
| 14:12.02 | ranix | so your software should also |
| 14:12.10 | clusty | ranix, i am a math guy myself WITH regard for tech. The rest are not the best coders, and sure as hell I won't go around fixing their code. I am just trying to build a machine that is idiot-proof |
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| 14:12.37 | clusty | seg fault works for me :D |
| 14:12.46 | ranix | clusty: let me know how that works out for you lol, the guys at Canonical have been trying and failing at that for a number of years now! |
| 14:13.07 | clusty | ranix, idiot-proofing? |
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| 14:13.13 | ranix | clusty: yes |
| 14:13.32 | clusty | ranix, well they are doing something trully magnificient: linux to the masses |
| 14:13.40 | ranix | no matter how low your bar is, someone out there will lower it |
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| 14:13.48 | clusty | ranix, you don't have to be such a g33k no more to run linux |
| 14:13.59 | strenn- | anyone having problem with kvirc 4.0.0 in debian testing? |
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| 14:14.04 | strenn- | it doesn't show menu when rightclicking on nicks |
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| 14:14.22 | EmleyMoor | doesn't know it |
| 14:14.41 | ranix | strenn-: there is a workaround for this problem |
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| 14:14.54 | loz | omg windows 7 killing me |
| 14:15.06 | strenn- | ranix: what workaround? |
| 14:15.14 | ranix | strenn-: apt-get install irssi |
| 14:15.20 | strenn- | ahah |
| 14:15.23 | jmho | bzed: hm, just tried to use lvm with the 4 encrypted volumes, but it didn't work, the lvm configuration step just reset the crypt settings, and would setup as lvm over plain volumes |
| 14:15.25 | strenn- | i already use weechat |
| 14:15.30 | ranix | ;) |
| 14:15.51 | ranix | strenn-: in seriousness though you can try to file a bug, it's unlikely something like that is your fault |
| 14:15.51 | strenn- | but i use kvirc too (exclusively for trolling) |
| 14:16.00 | clusty | ranix, is there a way to limit the memory a process is trying to allocate? |
| 14:16.07 | strenn- | ok |
| 14:16.11 | strenn- | thanks |
| 14:16.46 | ranix | clusty: check man ulimit |
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| 14:17.20 | ranix | clusty: you can limit both stack and heap size |
| 14:17.38 | elghorbaZ | hi, can someone help me about the qwerty keyboard |
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| 14:17.46 | ranix | it's process based though, I have NO idea how it would work on a cluster or on a multithreaded application |
| 14:17.50 | clusty | ranix, that is my solution :D set that to a reasonable 90% of RAM and nothing passes after :D |
| 14:18.01 | elghorbaZ | i cant put it on azerty one itried some things but nothing |
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| 14:19.30 | ranix | clusty: ulimiting two processes each to 90% virtual memory won't stop you from exhausting your ram |
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| 14:21.20 | ranix | well, it would stop two processes from exhausting the last 10% of ram, but if another user has another shell ulimited to 90% you're still going to have conflict |
| 14:21.41 | ranix | and it's not going to stop two processes in the same shell from failing to malloc if combined they both hit 90% |
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| 14:22.26 | n0nsense | hi |
| 14:22.40 | n0nsense | bash shows my prompt as /home/n0nsense/ if I'm in ~ |
| 14:22.45 | n0nsense | how do I get rid of this? |
| 14:22.56 | ranix | I guess where I'm going with this is that there is no amount of foolproof or padded walls environments that will save you from bad code |
| 14:22.59 | n0nsense | I want a short ~, not the full path ^^ |
| 14:24.35 | abrotman | n0nsense: what is your $PS1 ? |
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| 14:25.22 | Some-body | What's your $HOME ? |
| 14:25.24 | n0nsense | abrotman: the default... it's a more or less fresh installation of debian sid |
| 14:25.40 | n0nsense | $HOME is /home/n0nsense/ |
| 14:25.48 | abrotman | echo $PS1 ... |
| 14:25.56 | n0nsense | maybe he doesn't like the / at the end |
| 14:26.09 | n0nsense | yep, that's it |
| 14:27.21 | Some-body | Also change that in /etc/passwd... |
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| 14:27.46 | n0nsense | yep |
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| 14:28.04 | n0nsense | usermod -d /home/n0nsense n0nsense and now it's fixed |
| 14:28.06 | n0nsense | thanks... |
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| 14:32.06 | lowtek | Hey guys, does DD dump unused sections of a disk? I have a 160GB disk that I want to image, only about 950MB is actually being used, will I end up with a 160GB image (if I don't filter through gzip)? |
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| 14:33.32 | bzed | jmho: hmm weird. |
| 14:34.02 | jmho | bzed: guess the only way for now is debootstrap |
| 14:34.38 | ranix | lowtek: you can dump any block device with dd. You could dump a partition (/dev/sda1 for example) or an entire disk (/dev/sda) |
| 14:34.41 | bzed | jmho: yeah, and if you're nice - report a bug against d-i :) |
| 14:34.59 | jmho | bzed: ok, will do :) |
| 14:35.01 | bzed | jmho: debootstrap is often a really good way to go |
| 14:35.04 | deetah_ | what was the 686 debian thingy? |
| 14:35.06 | gaintsura | I'm upgrading my server's hardware today, essentially it will be the same drives just a new motherboard/proc/ram, will this cause any adverse affects once I put it back together? |
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| 14:35.16 | bzed | deetah_: explode! |
| 14:35.27 | deetah_ | bzed: /me explodes. why? |
| 14:35.45 | bzed | deetah_: no idea :P what do you mean by 686 debian thingy? |
| 14:35.56 | deetah_ | i remember there was some 686 distro |
| 14:36.06 | n0nsense | archlinux ^^ |
| 14:36.22 | deetah_ | debianish, i meant |
| 14:36.35 | n0nsense | ubuntu666? :P |
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| 14:37.04 | deetah_ | awww, damn you, n0nsense. :p |
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| 14:37.14 | n0nsense | uh.. and gentoo can also be a 686-distro :D |
| 14:37.21 | abrotman | deetah_: it wasn't debian .. there is a -686 kernel and a libc6-686 .. but that's mostly it |
| 14:37.36 | deetah_ | abrotman: it was smth based on debian |
| 14:37.44 | deetah_ | n0nsense: im actually migrating from gentoo to debian atm. |
| 14:37.51 | n0nsense | :D |
| 14:37.56 | loz | keys dont work in windows too =( |
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| 14:37.59 | n0nsense | I'm using both, arch and debian |
| 14:38.40 | karme | how do you do certificate based authentication with debian/lenny exim4? i nearly have it work except that i can't limit the accepted certificates yet - and a minor thing is that no esmtsa (only esmtps) received entry is generated |
| 14:38.44 | abrotman | deetah_: maybe ask google .. |
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| 14:39.19 | deetah_ | abrotman: hes not on the channel |
| 14:39.24 | abrotman | channel? |
| 14:39.26 | abrotman | it's a website |
| 14:39.30 | deetah_ | oh. |
| 14:39.58 | sobersabre | hi guys. what do I need to do to be able to write the kernel parameter from /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/mc_forwarding ? |
| 14:39.59 | abrotman | deetah_: in most cases .. spending all that time recompiling your stuff won't get you much of anything |
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| 14:40.42 | deetah_ | hastened to figure it out. that's why i'm looking for somethig already packaged with 686. |
| 14:40.54 | karme | is there a variable to check in the acl beside of $tls_peerdn ? especially how do i check that the ca by which the certificate of the client could be verified is the one i expect? |
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| 14:41.17 | abrotman | deetah_: if you're really interested wasting a few days .. /msg dpkg apt-build |
| 14:41.20 | Marrowfat | Hi, I run squeeze and shall be moving to university soon(ish). I am wondering what I can do to improve my machine's security networkwise and would like some reading/package suggestions. Thanks |
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| 14:41.31 | abrotman | !tell Marrowfat about harden |
| 14:41.44 | deetah_ | last time i tried apt-build it didn't actually compile a single package. |
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| 14:42.04 | deetah_ | i already said i'm looking for a debianish distro with 686 packages already compiled :p |
| 14:42.34 | abrotman | deetah_: so go ask google .. |
| 14:42.37 | karme | or should i limit the accepted certificates by limiting the ca certificates (tls_verify_certificates / MAIN_TLS_VERIFY_CERTIFICATES) ? |
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| 14:43.32 | Marrowfat | abrotman, hmm both of those urls give 404s |
| 14:43.48 | abrotman | Marrowfat: oh .. moment |
| 14:44.04 | abrotman | Marrowfat: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ .. taht doesn't work ? |
| 14:44.07 | deetah_ | abrotman: btw, isn't actually compiling a custom kernel and disabling half of services a good idea? :p |
| 14:44.19 | Marrowfat | abrotman, or not, something odd was happening |
| 14:44.32 | Marrowfat | abrotman, thanks though |
| 14:44.32 | abrotman | Marrowfat: i suspect the , at the end .. |
| 14:44.42 | abrotman | deetah_: huh ? |
| 14:44.53 | Marrowfat | abrotman, yeah, as do I |
| 14:45.07 | deetah_ | never mind. |
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| 14:48.18 | marcelo | hi, My video card is not fully using my monitor, I`ve got a black frame around, how can I fix this? Seems to be a driver problem? I am using nVidia Geforce 9800 GT. Is there any facility to adjust the monitor? |
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| 14:48.51 | rgr | why is there such a HUGE discrepancy between what synaptic would do after an update and what aptitude does? It wreeks of some deeper problem. |
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| 14:49.15 | rgr | marcelo: what driver are you using? |
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| 14:54.38 | petemc | rgr: i have no idea what synaptic does, but aptitude has different types of upgrade, safe, full, dist etc |
| 14:55.26 | marcelo | rgr, I do not know, I just installed lenny amd64 yesterday? How do I get this information? |
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| 14:58.02 | abrotman | marcelo: didn't we go over this last night ? |
| 14:58.25 | abrotman | marcelo: you need the sid drivers |
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| 14:59.56 | marcelo | abrotman, Yes, we did, But I did not suceed in fixing it. Sid drivers? I will try again. |
| 15:00.07 | valdyn | rgr: aptitude is trying to be very clever with dependency resolution |
| 15:00.08 | abrotman | marcelo: which version of the drivers are you using ? |
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| 15:00.24 | valdyn | rgr: its to be expected that 2 different algorithms come to different solutions |
| 15:00.54 | rgr | valdyn: no they shouldnt. They should come to the same "stable system with dependencies met" solution. |
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| 15:01.09 | valdyn | rgr: do you know what you are talking about? |
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| 15:01.23 | valdyn | rgr: theres noting deterministic inherent in this |
| 15:01.32 | marcelo | abrotman, I do not know. |
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| 15:03.39 | marcelo | abrotman, Could you give me a link where to find information on how to install sid drivers? I cannot decide between so many web pages |
| 15:05.43 | valdyn | marcelo: nvidia-settings |
| 15:06.01 | valdyn | marcelo: nvidia drivers can scale to screen size when you monitor does not do it by itself |
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| 15:29.12 | rgr | anyone help with this? An update pulling things in from testing and unstable has left my msmtp not working : msmtp: cannot initialize TLS library: The tasn1 library version is too old. |
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| 15:31.26 | abrotman | rgr: where is your msmtp from? where is your libtasn1 from ? |
| 15:31.35 | rgr | how to I tell? |
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| 15:31.46 | jaalto | [KDE] In 4.2.4 Konqueror, How do I make the mouse wheel to scroll FULL page. Now the wheel scrolls only few lines at a time |
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| 15:35.36 | rgr | or how do I rewind to a stable only install? Or is the apparent mess from aptitude now meaning a new install? |
| 15:36.12 | d1b | Droolio: reinstall |
| 15:36.13 | abrotman | you don't |
| 15:36.16 | d1b | rgr: * |
| 15:36.19 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 15:36.19 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 15:36.28 | d1b | rgr: downgrades are NOT SUPPORT |
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| 15:36.48 | themill | rgr: mixing testing and unstable into a sid machine? Who'd have thought it would break? /msg dpkg partial downgrade ; /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 15:37.14 | rgr | oh for goodness sake, its my dev machine and I needed the emacs 23 and latest nvidia. no choice. |
| 15:37.30 | abrotman | what was wrong with the old emacs and the old nvidia? |
| 15:37.32 | themill | rgr: there's always a choice |
| 15:38.01 | rgr | err, they are the old ones and I need to TEST the new ones. Why always the same "why change" questions here? Some of us work with the newer SW. |
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| 15:38.23 | marcelo | valdyn, Is this the drivers I need? http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_71.86.11.html |
| 15:38.26 | abrotman | he's always a pain ... |
| 15:38.45 | themill | rgr: does the fact that mixing releases is not supported and breaks things in precisely the way you've described ever enter into your thinking? |
| 15:38.59 | abrotman | themill: he's gone .. he does that a lot .. whines and leaves |
| 15:39.20 | themill | lovely. What an asset to the community. |
| 15:39.43 | abrotman | FSVO asset |
| 15:39.54 | abrotman | he never answers questions AFAIK |
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| 15:40.36 | themill | Many banks seem unable to tell the difference between "asset" and "liability" these days... |
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| 15:42.02 | negge | how do I make X11 forwarding work when running things as root? I've logged in to my home server via SSH (with the -X option of course) and it works fine when running "xclock" as a normal user, but when I su to root I get authentication protocol errors or something like that. Same thing happens when trying it with putty from home. Is there some config setting I need to change? |
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| 15:42.44 | solexx | negge: try using 'sux' instead of 'su'. |
| 15:42.49 | themill | negge: you need something like "sux" to give you permission to use X as a different user. /msg dpkg sux |
| 15:42.56 | solexx | negge: you probably have to install it first |
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| 15:43.31 | datenritter | (15:23:09) valdyn: datenritter: maybe you really are talking to rsync over ssh <-- i do tunnel rsync to a remote box, yes. why should that be a problem now? |
| 15:43.55 | negge | I'll try that solexx |
| 15:44.12 | negge | it worked fine, thanks a lot! |
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| 15:47.18 | hrad | hey, is there a way how to get sources with makefiles from a debian package ? |
| 15:47.38 | rudi_s_ | hrad: apt-get source packagename |
| 15:47.44 | azeem | hrad: from a debian source package, yes |
| 15:47.48 | azeem | !deb-src |
| 15:47.49 | dpkg | deb-src is, like, 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
| 15:48.06 | hrad | but I mean from other distro |
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| 15:48.58 | hrad | I need an application which is available only as deb package or pure sources without makefiles |
| 15:49.48 | hrad | it's impossible to write makefiles for this so I though that I could take advantage of the debian package |
| 15:50.13 | azeem | hrad: if the upstream does not have a Makefile, the Debian source package might not have, either |
| 15:50.30 | azeem | but maybe there's a patch in debian/patches which ships one, better check |
| 15:51.41 | karme | hrad: do you mean as a binary only deb package? |
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| 15:52.55 | hrad | no, get sources and makefile from the package, I don't whether there are sources with makefiles or binaries only |
| 15:53.03 | hrad | *don't know |
| 15:53.33 | hrad | I'm using slackware for 3 years and never used distribution with package management system |
| 15:54.35 | themill | hrad: I don't think anyone has a clue what it is you're trying to do. Can you start again and have another go? |
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| 15:56.47 | karme | hrad: if it is an official debian package there will be the upstream tarball and a diff (with the changes made by debian) => you can always take a look at that diff (or apply it) |
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| 15:57.42 | Stian1979 | Anyone that could give me some suport on hot-key's |
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| 15:58.22 | hrad | themill: I need this software http://clipsrules.sourceforge.net/ but there is absolutely no support for linux |
| 15:58.30 | sphenxes | is there any GUI encryption program for lenny? |
| 15:58.38 | hrad | and debian has a package for it |
| 15:58.39 | hrad | http://packages.debian.org/stable/interpreters/clips |
| 15:59.24 | hrad | I can't compile it on linux, so I thought that I could use the deb package to run in on my slackware |
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| 16:00.05 | karme | hrad: debian package does: cd x-prjct/xinterface && $(MAKE) -f Makefile xclips |
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| 16:00.56 | karme | hrad: just take a look at the diff (http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/clips/clips_6.24-3.diff.gz) especially the debian/rules file in there |
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| 16:01.12 | themill | hrad: then try grabbing the source package and seeing what it does -- the source package is linked to from packages.debian.org (you'll probably want the source and the .diff.gz) |
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| 16:06.28 | ranix | this is fairly offtopic but you guys might know (and nobody's asking questions right now anyway): Is there an HTML tag to parse carriage returns as literal, so that a carriage return performs a line break? |
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| 16:06.35 | clusty | got a clue is GSL has an irc channel? |
| 16:06.42 | clusty | GNU Scientific lib that is |
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| 16:07.46 | themill | clusty: probably not -- most likely they work mainly by mailing lists |
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| 16:17.58 | airtonarantes | What is the repository that contain qmail on debian lenny? |
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| 16:21.09 | fxiny | airtonarantes: aot-cache search qmail |
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| 16:23.20 | damasceno | fxiny, yep, but only have qmail-src. |
| 16:23.25 | damasceno | and we need qmail-run. |
| 16:23.26 | airtonarantes | fxiny, but I just get qmail-src. this is the unique package that I have available. |
| 16:24.15 | airtonarantes | fxiny, could you send to me your source list? |
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| 16:24.39 | themill | !qmail |
| 16:24.40 | dpkg | hmm... qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (<MTA>) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it <non-free>. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. To install on Debian, ask me about <qmail debs>. See also <qmail equivs>. #qmail on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:25.48 | themill | airtonarantes: ^^ and look at the package description for qmail-src. |
| 16:26.28 | fxiny | airtonarantes damasceno : keep on using apt-cache : show qmail-src |
| 16:26.39 | fxiny | oops |
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| 16:30.58 | fxiny | airtonarantes: my sources.list ? i use postfix |
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| 16:31.10 | fxiny | i don't want qmail |
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| 16:31.41 | d_b | I read that the source code for Duke Nukem 3D was released, is it possible to install it via apt for 64bit Lenny? I can't find it, maybe in some alternate repo? |
| 16:32.02 | marcelo | what lines do I have to add to sources.list to be able to apt-get non-free nvidia drivers |
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| 16:39.54 | tamizh_geek | can i install emacs 23 on lenny?? anybode tried here?? |
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| 16:43.30 | themill | dpkg: tell tamizh_geek about ssb |
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| 16:46.37 | SeySayux_ | How do I change the default keymap in X? |
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| 16:47.33 | deetah_ | can I somehow install xorg without installing every possible video driver? :p |
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| 16:49.29 | SeySayux_ | deetah_: Yes. wget Xorg from x.org and compile it from source. |
| 16:50.04 | chops1 | deetah_: No, don't do that. |
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| 16:50.24 | chops1 | deetah_: You can install without recommendations and then manually install the specific driver that you need. |
| 16:50.24 | deetah_ | chops1: you mean installing just the core or compiling xorg from the source? :d |
| 16:50.47 | chops1 | deetah_: Don't compile X from x.org source. Installing only the driver you need is fine. |
| 16:51.00 | deetah_ | chops1: gathered. just wondering how to do it. |
| 16:51.17 | chops1 | deetah_: Try aptitude --without-recommends install xorg |
| 16:51.19 | hark | chops1: won't work |
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| 16:51.32 | chops1 | hark: What won't work and why? |
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| 16:53.09 | themill | chops1: they're all Depends not Recommends: check "aptitude why xorg xserver-xorg-video-dummy" |
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| 16:53.44 | deetah_ | themill: so how to work it around? :d |
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| 16:54.13 | chops1 | themill: Huh -- why is that? It seems like even Recommends: is a bit excessive for this case (since it's supposed to mean "90%+ of installations are going to need this") |
| 16:54.16 | hark | deetah_: you can uninstall them later (after the install) |
| 16:54.39 | deetah_ | kinda messed up. |
| 16:54.52 | themill | or just install the parts of xorg that you want. |
| 16:54.55 | deetah_ | no way to install it without downloading a shitload of unneeded pkgs? |
| 16:55.40 | chops1 | deetah_: Unfortunately there's kind of a balance to be struck -- you either wind up making things hard for people who just want to type one command instead of having to track down four or five different packages that they need to install before it'll _really_ work, or you make things hard for people who don't want unnecessary packages. |
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| 16:56.16 | themill | chops1: that wouldn't make any difference though. "xorg" is only a meta package so depends vs recommends is a bit of a moot point |
| 16:56.34 | deetah_ | it's quite messed up. |
| 16:56.51 | chops1 | themill: Well, it would certainly make a difference in this case. It would make it easier to install X without unneeded drivers :-). |
| 16:57.01 | SeySayux_ | So get yourself a better package manager :P |
| 16:57.01 | hark | deetah_: hardly makes a difference |
| 16:57.36 | deetah_ | what's the difference between xorg and xserver-xorg packages? |
| 16:57.47 | chops1 | deetah_: That said, in the time you've been stressing about this on IRC you could have cleaned up your own files to the point of getting back more disk space than you're going to waste on the unneeded packages :-). |
| 16:58.21 | chops1 | deetah_: xorg is everything you need for a working X system. xserver-xorg is just the server. |
| 16:58.26 | deetah_ | chops1: hell, I'd just rather learn about how things are done |
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| 16:59.17 | tamizh_geek | themill, I said as dpkg said. but emacs 23 package not found is the message i got. |
| 16:59.22 | Cain | how to save the list of installed packages ? |
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| 17:00.10 | petemc | !aptitude clone |
| 17:00.10 | themill | Cain: /msg dpkg aptitude clone ; /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 17:00.11 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
| 17:00.11 | chops1 | deetah_: Yes, I agree -- it would be nice if there were a way to do this. FWIW what I did on my system some time ago to deal with this was install xorg, then run dpkg -l 'xserver-xorg-video-*' | awk '{print $2;}', then run aptitude remove `cat` and cut-and-paste all the drivers except the one I know I need and hit Ctrl-D. |
| 17:00.12 | gravity | Not using the xorg package won't teach you shit |
| 17:00.27 | gravity | And the xorg package is designed to allow you to pull out whatever unnecessary drivers you don't want |
| 17:00.28 | Cain | petemc : thx :) |
| 17:00.36 | themill | tamizh_geek: I don't follow.... |
| 17:00.55 | troythetechguy | I'm able to connect to the internet in my virtual machine, but none of the networking commands work in teh shell (i.e. ping address). I tried many different addresses and they all have 100% packet loss. Ideas? |
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| 17:01.12 | chops1 | gravity: It sounded like themill said the opposite earlier -- that xorg depended on all the drivers, so there was no way to install xorg without getting all the drivers. |
| 17:01.21 | tamizh_geek | themill, I added sid repos and executed apt-get build-dep emacs23 |
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| 17:01.26 | gravity | chops1: He's wrong |
| 17:01.32 | tamizh_geek | but i got package not found! |
| 17:01.43 | gravity | chops1: It depends on all the drivers or any driver providing the virtual package |
| 17:01.50 | gravity | chops1: Having all drivers is just the default |
| 17:01.57 | abrotman | tamizh_geek: did you add a 'deb' or 'deb-src' line ? |
| 17:02.18 | themill | chops1: that's not what I said at all.... I said that they were Depends not Recommends. |
| 17:02.21 | tamizh_geek | I added deb-src line alone |
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| 17:02.52 | chops1 | themill: Ah, I see -- I misunderstood. I see now. They are depends, but with multiple options. |
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| 17:03.18 | chops1 | deetah_: So that sounds like you would be able to install just the driver you need (_before_ xorg), and then install xorg, and it wouldn't install all the other drivers. |
| 17:03.27 | themill | chops1: "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-one-you-want xorg" is all that's required |
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| 17:04.17 | hark | i think it might still install all |
| 17:04.44 | themill | tias! |
| 17:05.04 | chops1 | themill: Yes. In the future it would have been a better investment of time to tell deetah_ that 10 minutes ago instead of concentrating on telling me why _my_ solution wouldn't work :-). |
| 17:05.10 | Hukka | Huh, lenny won't install... in "Install the base system" I get a debootstrap warning when trying to dpkg --install base-passwd |
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| 17:05.50 | Hukka | Log says "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Permission denied" |
| 17:05.56 | themill | chops1: yeah -- I was caught up with other things. I was about to :) |
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| 17:06.12 | Wooga | why sudo and su in squeeze does not respect /etc/security/limits.conf, when both in /etc/pam.d/sudo and /etc/pam.d/su is string 'session required pam_limits.so' ? |
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| 17:07.12 | Wooga | while login works well, when you logining in tty |
| 17:07.29 | Wooga | settings all limits properly, i mean |
| 17:08.00 | deetah_ | chops1: thanks, works! :D |
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| 17:09.47 | _Shade_ | hi there |
| 17:09.56 | RichiH | I/O error occurred while writing; fd='12', error='Broken pipe (32)' |
| 17:10.07 | RichiH | on a scale of 1 to 10, how worried should i be? |
| 17:10.13 | RichiH | pokes jelly :p |
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| 17:10.34 | abrotman | RichiH: depends what you were doing ? |
| 17:10.40 | RichiH | writing to disk |
| 17:10.45 | RichiH | nfs |
| 17:10.58 | _Shade_ | my netinstall image claims that it needs a iwlwifi-3945.ucode. where can I find it? |
| 17:13.08 | hark | themill: yup that works |
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| 17:14.01 | hark | _Shade_: firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 17:14.23 | _Shade_ | hark: will just deb do? |
| 17:14.35 | hark | yes |
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| 17:16.14 | _Shade_ | hark: for lenny... can I use these? http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 17:17.09 | hark | !tell _Shade_ about iwl3945 |
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| 17:17.54 | Pnux | hey, is it posible to control what the shutdown/reboot button (not the keyboard one) do when pressed? |
| 17:18.11 | zinx | Pnux: yes |
| 17:18.26 | zinx | easily? dunno. |
| 17:18.27 | Pnux | zinx: how can i do that? |
| 17:19.06 | zinx | if you mean the one in Gnome, you probably have to edit the source |
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| 17:19.27 | zinx | if you mean the one on your case, i.e. actual power button, i think you use the inittab |
| 17:19.27 | Pnux | zinx: i mean the hardware one |
| 17:19.57 | zinx | not entirely sure, never messed w/ it myself |
| 17:19.58 | abrotman | Pnux: you want to change the acpi event |
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| 17:20.21 | zinx | sounds like abrotman has a better idea :) |
| 17:20.31 | justin | or just run the gnome power control panel and tell it what to do when the power button is pressed... |
| 17:20.38 | Pnux | abrotman: aha, how can i do that? |
| 17:20.42 | abrotman | Pnux: usually those buttons trigger an acpi event .. you just configure that to do what you want |
| 17:20.44 | Pnux | im not using GNOME, i use KDE |
| 17:20.59 | abrotman | i do'nt use kde .. but /etc/acpi/ and your system logs might be helpful |
| 17:24.04 | Pnux | abrotman: it seems i found the shutdown button, but i cant the the reboot one, maybe they are handled the same way, ill check it out, thanks |
| 17:24.20 | abrotman | Pnux: those are acpi events .. |
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| 17:27.17 | Pnux | seems like i can modify the power button by editing the line ' /sbin/shutdown -h -P now "Power button pressed"', but theres nothing for the reboot one.. |
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| 17:27.39 | abrotman | Pnux: do you have a "reboot" button ? |
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| 17:27.53 | justin | i haven't seen a computer with a reboot button in years :) |
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| 17:28.07 | Pnux | abrotman: yup, thats the one with the "problem" (my dog keeps rebooting my system at night) |
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| 17:28.09 | abrotman | wonders if there's an acpi event for the 'Turbo' button ... |
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| 17:29.05 | Pnux | what do you mean with reboot button? it seems we arent talking about the same button.. |
| 17:29.21 | Pnux | i basically have 2 buttons, one that shuts down, the other that reboots |
| 17:29.34 | justin | Pnux: you could always just open your case and unplug the jumpers to the button |
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| 17:30.07 | Pnux | justin: i thought about doing that, but wanted to make sure theres a simplier way to do it |
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| 17:34.12 | osfd | Hi guys, I can't find the way to upgrade a package installed from backports and (then) upgraded from backports |
| 17:34.46 | Cope57 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.59 | Cope57 | without quotes |
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| 17:35.16 | osfd | Cope57: got the quote thing, thank you |
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| 17:37.37 | Magilum | I'm trying to build a source package that has a java library jar in it; is there any way to override dpkg-source's block against binary files? I've read the manual and tried listing the files I need in include-binaries, but it says that --include-binaries isn't a valid option for the format version. Is there any resource for this sort of thing, or is there a thing I should be doing to get dpkg to not barf on the binary files? |
| 17:38.32 | themill | Magilum: the source package shouldn't include the jar file, it should be built as part of the build process. |
| 17:39.29 | Magilum | themill: It's an external library that isn't in debian and was originally downloaded by the build scripts for the package. The whole think is sort of a clusterf*ck, and I don't really think I can avoid having the jar in the package. Strangely, there are other jars that dpkg never seemed to mind. |
| 17:39.34 | chops1 | Magilum: What source package is it, and what jar file? |
| 17:40.09 | Magilum | chops1: i2p is the source package; it isn't in debian though, so I doubt that will help much. |
| 17:40.25 | chops1 | Magilum: My first reaction is that a more correct solution is to have the external dependency be a second Debian package which is a build-dep (for example, doing it the way you describe will leave a security bug unpatched if one is found in the external dependency). |
| 17:40.50 | chops1 | Magilum: What's the external dependency? |
| 17:41.29 | Magilum | chops1: some jetty library. jetty seems to be in debian, but not the parts that the package needs or something like that. |
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| 17:41.36 | chops1 | Magilum: There's an RFP on i2p -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448638 |
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| 17:42.26 | Magilum | chops1: That's very nice, but how does that help me? |
| 17:43.03 | chops1 | Magilum: I would sort that out, then (trying to figure out how to rebuild jetty to include what i2p needs, and then filing a wishlist bug asking that everyone build it that way). |
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| 17:43.13 | munax | hi al |
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| 17:43.31 | themill | Magilum: sounds like you are probably changing that jar in some way during the build process then. It is presumably different in your current source tree compared to the .orig.tar.gz that you have. |
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| 17:44.21 | chops1 | Magilum: I'm just letting you know that if you feel like sharing your results in packaging i2p, others would appreciate having them available (which is another reason to try to sort out the linkage against jetty as opposed to just botching it into place as upstream seems to have done from your description) |
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| 17:44.39 | lelu | if I edit /etc/crontab do I have to restart a process? |
| 17:44.52 | Magilum | chops1: I'm not really interested in fixing upstream's messes, just in getting this package together |
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| 17:45.58 | chops1 | Magilum: I can appreciate not wanting to solve upstream's messes -- but if you're building the software, they're there. You can either sort them out, or deal with the resulting breakage. I'm recommending that sorting out the mess may be less effort in total than leaving the mess around and trying to deal with it. |
| 17:46.18 | grig | hi guys. I'd like to do some c development on my laptop. what's the best way to avoid cluttering my system? qemu? pbuilder? user mode linux? what i'm interested most is a simple process to clean up all those -dev packages |
| 17:46.47 | chops1 | grig: All those -dev packages are the cleanest solution. If the number of them disturbs you, stop looking at the output of 'dpkg -l' :-) |
| 17:47.16 | grig | chops1: that's one interesting way of looking at it :) |
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| 17:48.07 | Magilum | themill: Yeah, it seems that was the issue. I regenerated the .orig.tar.gz file (there isn't really a distinction here) and it worked. |
| 17:48.14 | chops1 | grig: I mean, the libraries are going to be there if you're doing development against them. If they're "cluttered" when they're organized into packages and tracked, then removing the package management and installing them with some other scheme is not going to improve the situation. |
| 17:48.18 | Magilum | chops1: I might be interested in that later, but I'm not at the moment. |
| 17:48.21 | themill | grig: if you're trying to build things against newer libraries and frequently want to flush all the build-dependencies away, then a cowbuilder or a chroot might help |
| 17:49.11 | grig | themill: cow as in Copy On Write? |
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| 17:49.44 | themill | grig: yes. Look at the cowdancer package for starters |
| 17:50.02 | grig | themill: thank you. |
| 17:50.04 | _lilibox_ | hi |
| 17:50.06 | lelu | if i edit /etc/crontab do i need to restart the crontab process? |
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| 17:51.11 | _lilibox_ | i asked similar thing already, but does any could be soo nice and tell me right proper syntax how to "harvest" all needed dependencies for instal apache2 ei into one install folder? |
| 17:51.48 | themill | _lilibox_: /msg dpkg apt-zip is the easiest approach |
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| 17:58.17 | steffi_ma | hi I'd like to buy a sata controller for a debian system. as I'm new to linux and it seems that there are driver problems with some products I'd like to ask which one to buy or which brant (sata 4x, 300 mb) |
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| 18:06.55 | _lilibox_ | hmm a little bit different question let say, i have got 120 .debs in install directory |
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| 18:07.14 | _lilibox_ | and i need to create Package.gz to easy install |
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| 18:07.38 | _lilibox_ | i found something like apt-ftparchive |
| 18:07.39 | _lilibox_ | but not possible to install it now |
| 18:07.45 | Evet | How to install dig? |
| 18:07.51 | fxiny | yes , run apt-ftparchive packages . | gzip > Packages.gz |
| 18:08.16 | dmoerner | _lilibox_: man dpkg-scanpackages |
| 18:08.23 | _lilibox_ | yes, but apt-ftparchive is not accessable from my system now, i use standard repository |
| 18:09.04 | hark | _lilibox_: /msg dpkg own repo |
| 18:09.09 | fxiny | then add -> deb file:/path/to/dir ./ to your sources.list |
| 18:09.23 | abrotman | Evet: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:10.14 | fxiny | _lilibox_: no apt-ftparchive ? what about dpkg-scanpackages ? |
| 18:10.31 | _lilibox_ | the same |
| 18:10.36 | _lilibox_ | no possible to get it |
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| 18:11.21 | _lilibox_ | E: Couldn't find package dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 18:11.39 | _lilibox_ | apt-file installed |
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| 18:12.05 | fxiny | is part of dpkg-dev |
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| 18:12.16 | themill | _lilibox_: apt-ftparchive is in the apt-utils package |
| 18:12.26 | _lilibox_ | aha |
| 18:12.29 | _lilibox_ | yes, getting it |
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| 18:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | steffi_ma, I've not seen driver problems with sata recently, you can perhaps check here, if you have a certain chipset in mind http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlistcat11.html |
| 18:13.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | steffi_ma, it's only fakeraids that don't/can't work, because most of their work is done in software anyway |
| 18:15.04 | _lilibox_ | great |
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| 18:15.30 | _lilibox_ | seems like apt-ftparchive works |
| 18:16.04 | fxiny | oh yes , it just skips a touch file |
| 18:16.07 | _lilibox_ | now, how to archivie all .debs used during installing apt-utils |
| 18:16.28 | SeySayux | Where is the default root for apache on debian? |
| 18:16.35 | SeySayux | (I'm an Ubuntu user) |
| 18:16.44 | _lilibox_ | i need move .debs from here where i have got access to internet to other machine which is not |
| 18:16.56 | SeySayux | Besides, 'look in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf' |
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| 18:17.12 | hiwk | hm, I have a debian computer not properly updating resolve.conf when I log in to a new network (dhcp), while other debian computers have no problem |
| 18:17.17 | hiwk | where should I look? |
| 18:17.32 | fxiny | _lilibox_: is apache installed ? look into apt-cacher |
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| 18:19.16 | _lilibox_ | no such folder on my system |
| 18:19.56 | fxiny | _lilibox_: apt-cache show apt-proxy or apt-cacher |
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| 18:21.20 | _lilibox_ | apt-cache is just cca 50k file in /usr/bin |
| 18:21.29 | _lilibox_ | apt-proxy not found |
| 18:22.22 | dmoerner | _lilibox_: apt-cacher, not apt-cache |
| 18:22.32 | dmoerner | you will have to install things on this box to get this working, sorry to break it to you |
| 18:22.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 18:23.51 | Gent | I'm at the total end of my wits here... everywhere I search says php5 and apache on debian all the way from etch up to sid is having segfault issues |
| 18:24.25 | Gent | and I'm getting segfault issues which are seriously screwing up the productivity of this place... |
| 18:24.33 | _lilibox_ | dmoerner> but apache2 was previosly istalled already |
| 18:24.34 | fxiny | you lucky , i ain't seen a segfault in years ;) |
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| 18:25.40 | _lilibox_ | oh, it is command |
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| 18:26.24 | Gent | ... I need ideas before I go back to slackware |
| 18:26.31 | d_b | I added Debian-Multimedia to my repositories and now when I ty to open a x264 video in VLC I'm not getting any picture, only sound. Tried two videos. Don't know if it's related to debian multimedia. Any ideas? |
| 18:26.54 | Gent | I've recompiled php5 without suhosin, reinstalled apache2, tweaked every config under the sun, adjusted memory, removed php modules, apache modules... everything |
| 18:27.00 | justin | d_b: did you actually install anything from the debian multimedia repositories? |
| 18:27.01 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:27.04 | Gent | nothing is resolving the stability of it... |
| 18:27.11 | justin | Gent: uh, try not compiling PHP |
| 18:27.16 | justin | Gent: the debian pacakges work just fine, use them |
| 18:27.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | d_b, w32codecs package? |
| 18:27.24 | Gent | justin, no, they don't work just fine |
| 18:27.25 | Gent | that's the point |
| 18:27.26 | d_b | for what it's worth I don't think I explicitly installed anything from debian-multimedia other than lame. I did safe-upgrade in aptitude right after adding it, but that shouldn't have installed anything right? |
| 18:27.35 | justin | Gent: then file a bug |
| 18:27.37 | Gent | if I use the debian packages then suhosin patch is installed, and that makes matters even worse |
| 18:27.46 | Gent | there's 8,000,000 bugs already filed on the issues |
| 18:27.50 | azeem | Gent: what's the problem with the patch? |
| 18:27.59 | azeem | and what is (one of) the bug number? |
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| 18:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | 8,000,000? Amazing... |
| 18:28.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't think the whole BTS had so many |
| 18:28.37 | Gent | well there's this one here 538820 |
| 18:28.43 | Gent | which seems pretty similar |
| 18:28.59 | d_b | .VOB file works just fine, seems only mkv with x264 is problematic |
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| 18:29.44 | azeem | Gent: so it seems you can disable the php suhosin plugin? |
| 18:29.46 | azeem | eh, module |
| 18:29.52 | d_b | no wait same problem with mp4 and avi |
| 18:30.17 | Gent | azeem, yes, which still does not resolve the issue, it just reports it different |
| 18:30.22 | justin | d_b: did they play before? |
| 18:30.28 | azeem | Gent: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:30.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gent, that's from unstable, though |
| 18:30.42 | d_b | justin: yes, I tried a few videos that I know played before |
| 18:30.44 | Gent | Cut, I'm aware, it's the same issue from etch through sid, or the same mysterious seg faults |
| 18:30.51 | justin | d_b: see /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:30.54 | Gent | which people are both rightfully and wrongfully blaming on suhosin |
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| 18:30.59 | Gent | but it's deeper than that... |
| 18:31.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I doubt stable has the same problem... people would not report it so recently in sid then |
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| 18:31.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | but append to the older bug |
| 18:31.41 | Gent | whether it's an upstream issue with php itself or something I don't know... but not had issues with other distros |
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| 18:31.51 | Gent | and they got at least 20 patches that get applied on this build |
| 18:31.59 | abrotman | wait .. why do you want it disabled to start with ? |
| 18:32.21 | dmoerner | gentoo has the problem, and both bug reports suggest downgrading to 5.2.9 stops the segfaults |
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| 18:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions php5 |
| 18:32.41 | dmoerner | did you try the apc workaround? |
| 18:32.41 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 18:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
| 18:32.56 | Gent | I'm on 5.2.9 |
| 18:33.03 | Gent | I'm on Lenny btw... |
| 18:33.09 | Gent | which started me at 5.2.6 if I'm not mistaken |
| 18:33.24 | abrotman | so you're not using the lenny php5 packages anyways ? |
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| 18:33.28 | Gent | I went up to 5.2.9 after reading a number of reports saying 5.2.9 resolved some bugs related to segfaults for various PHP5 functions |
| 18:33.32 | dmoerner | where did you get your php packages? |
| 18:33.37 | d_b | justin: this is all that happened that day http://pastebin.com/d3ce7b99d |
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| 18:33.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny has 5.2.6 |
| 18:33.53 | Gent | original package was from official repositories, thats 5.2.6 with Suhosin |
| 18:34.00 | Gent | I then sourced from their repos and removed Suhosin and built them |
| 18:34.09 | abrotman | "their" ? |
| 18:34.11 | Gent | I then figured I'd give 5.2.9 a whirl, which dotdeb had |
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| 18:34.16 | Gent | official debian repos |
| 18:34.22 | abrotman | oh jesus .. never ever *ever* use dotdeb |
| 18:34.23 | karrotx | i can `telnet server 2049` but when i try to run `mount /remote/share` it says failed: server is down |
| 18:34.25 | justin | d_b: do they have an updated vlc or mplayer package? |
| 18:34.28 | karrotx | nothing in the logs; any ideas? |
| 18:34.41 | Gent | abrot, the problem is LONG before using dotdeb's package |
| 18:34.58 | abrotman | gent: and it's probably complicating them .. those packages are almost always broken .. sometimes badly |
| 18:35.21 | d_b | justin: nothing about vlc, only other stuff that got automatically updated. I thought vlc used it's own internal codecs. And I don't see VLC in the debian-multimedia repo |
| 18:35.43 | Gent | well it's not complicating them, cause it's the same issues over and over again |
| 18:35.47 | dmoerner | Gent: i see no bug reports pre-5.2.9, (and only one pre-5.2.10 which admits the segfaults do stop) that suggest this segfault exists in lenny's packages |
| 18:36.05 | abrotman | gent: you still didn't say what was wrong with the lenny packages ? |
| 18:36.22 | abrotman | "segfault" is kind of generic |
| 18:36.31 | justin | d_b: have you tried running vlc from a terminal, or looking at the VLC log? |
| 18:36.39 | Gent | unfortunately that is all I have is a segfault |
| 18:36.53 | Gent | Suhosin reports canary mismatch, php reports zend_mm_heap corrupted... and apache segfaults |
| 18:37.01 | Gent | sudden death |
| 18:37.07 | Gent | pages will not return, or will return blank |
| 18:37.17 | abrotman | uses the lenny php5 packages just fine .. in multiple places |
| 18:37.26 | Gent | with suhosin I can't get anything, without it I can put flush() at the bottom of one of the troublesome pages and at least get output... |
| 18:37.40 | d_b | justin: nope, will do |
| 18:38.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | faulty hardware also sometimes produces segfaults... |
| 18:38.28 | Gent | it's totally all over the place, and although it's consistent with this script, it's inconsistent across the board |
| 18:38.43 | Gent | CutMeOwnThroat, RAM has already been replaced and thoroughly tested |
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| 18:39.16 | Gent | that is to say, I have another copy of the script for a different department |
| 18:39.22 | Gent | and the functions that are hanging up on one side are not hanging up on the other |
| 18:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | bad processor batches that are in effect overclocked do the same |
| 18:39.44 | d_b | justin: http://pastebin.com/d4a86e410 |
| 18:39.52 | Gent | I've ready people saying that sometimes they modify a script slightly and it starts segfaulting somewhere else |
| 18:40.16 | Gent | some said it had to do with including files, problems with the include path... |
| 18:40.23 | abrotman | or bad memory controller |
| 18:40.28 | justin | d_b: http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=38783&f=13 |
| 18:40.31 | Gent | it's totally not memory |
| 18:40.39 | Gent | in any way shape or form |
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| 18:40.59 | justin | d_b: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/156766 |
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| 18:41.21 | qwebirc130 | does "debian-502-i386-kde-CD-1.iso" install KDE or no WM? |
| 18:41.36 | abrotman | qwebirc130: i'd guess it includes the optoin to install kde from the CD |
| 18:41.38 | qwebirc130 | ive installed it twice and kde fails to start at KDM |
| 18:41.46 | qwebirc130 | only starts TWM |
| 18:42.31 | justin | d_b: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483000 |
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| 18:44.16 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 18:44.16 | d_b | justin: thanks, will try purging and reinstalling |
| 18:44.27 | justin | d_b: try clearing the cache stuff in ~/.vlc first |
| 18:44.36 | d_b | justin: did that, no luck |
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| 18:47.00 | nootoyahora | in my last update of debian (testing version) I have come across of problems with openoffice one of them been uable to save some files, and other been that I cannot find a way of making numbered indexes... why are things changed so much? and... anyone can ell me how is it supossed to make a numbered index in debian openoffice? |
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| 18:48.01 | d_b | justin: hm, I tried removing vlc and deleting those files, then I reinstalled, no luck, I also installed ffmpeg after that and still no luck :( |
| 18:48.36 | justin | d_b: the problem isn't vlc, the problem is the packages from the debian multimedia repos |
| 18:48.52 | flami | 'ello, has anyone ever made a (software) raid with external usb hd? |
| 18:49.02 | ranix | flami: what kind of raid |
| 18:49.23 | d_b | justin: yeah I just read that on the debian bug page. how can I list the packages from debian-multimedia? I'd like to keep lame, but the rest can go. |
| 18:49.48 | flami | I guess a 10 would be the hadiest ( 3 disks ) |
| 18:49.49 | justin | d_b: the packages from /var/log/dpkg.log are from there |
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| 18:50.01 | flami | ranix: -^ |
| 18:50.03 | justin | flami: you need 4 for that |
| 18:50.13 | d_b | justin: all of them? how can you tell? |
| 18:50.17 | ranix | flami: remember USB is high-latency and low-throughput |
| 18:50.23 | justin | d_b: most of them, probably |
| 18:50.37 | ranix | flami: 4 drives is going to chow your usb bandwidth |
| 18:51.06 | flami | yes its not about the speed , i guess I could use a 1 to mirror 2 disks |
| 18:51.32 | flami | or a 5 |
| 18:51.46 | justin | flami: stick with raid1 |
| 18:52.00 | ranix | flami: I second a 2-disk raid1 via usb |
| 18:52.12 | ranix | other raids have too much overhead for the bus |
| 18:52.17 | sparr | what can I use to write "on" a PDF in linux? |
| 18:52.23 | flami | yep me too :P I think its the easiest to "rebuild" |
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| 18:52.52 | _lilibox_ | nice, i found something in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 18:55.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | sparr, flpsed? |
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| 18:56.15 | abrotman | pdfedit ? |
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| 18:57.56 | junix | hi, i ahve a 3ware 8506-8 sata raid card, but when I go to create the LV it wants to do a 2TB limit, and i have 3.4TB to address, how can i fix this? |
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| 18:59.07 | Hexch | do somebody in here use/administer an ifolder server ? |
| 18:59.32 | _lilibox_ | does anybody could recomende me any good mail reminder |
| 18:59.39 | abrotman | junix: using which filesystem ? |
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| 19:00.00 | _lilibox_ | i want send some reminder emails during week to cca 150 emails |
| 19:00.16 | junix | abrotman: ext3 or reiserfs3/4 |
| 19:00.21 | abrotman | junix: pick one |
| 19:00.23 | junix | abrotman: it don't matter |
| 19:00.30 | _lilibox_ | the best solution directly over cron |
| 19:00.35 | junix | i cant't get the RAID card to make the LV |
| 19:00.35 | abrotman | junix: what block size are you using with ext3 ? |
| 19:00.41 | flami | Im also wondering what happens when I e.g. plug disk 1 into plug 2 and disk2 into plug 1 . and then they get renamed sda->sdb sdb->sda . will mdadm be able to cope with that ? |
| 19:00.41 | junix | 512 |
| 19:00.53 | abrotman | junix: as in .. 512 .. bytes ? |
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| 19:00.59 | junix | yes |
| 19:01.03 | Zappy | Hi |
| 19:01.13 | abrotman | junix: i'm surprised you got 2TB .. try something like a 4KB block size |
| 19:01.31 | junix | abrotman: you mean when i go to set it up in the RAID card? |
| 19:01.36 | junix | or parted? |
| 19:01.38 | _lilibox_ | and probably one important thing for me today, how to activate ssh listering on debian? |
| 19:01.48 | _lilibox_ | i got basic install of debian |
| 19:01.49 | abrotman | is lvm complaining about 2TB or when it creates the filesystem ? |
| 19:01.49 | Zappy | Does anyone can tell me where I can check debian compatibility with my x86 plz ? |
| 19:01.50 | d_b | justin: I removed debian-multimedia and all obsolete packages, then reinstalled vlc. now it works! |
| 19:01.51 | BoltPower21 | What are some must have repo's in my souce.list? |
| 19:01.55 | _lilibox_ | ssh command works |
| 19:01.56 | d_b | justin: thanks for your help |
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| 19:02.02 | _lilibox_ | but do not listen by default |
| 19:02.04 | junix | abrotman: i haven't gotten that far... |
| 19:02.04 | abrotman | BoltPower21: official repos .. good enough for most |
| 19:02.07 | junix | :-\ |
| 19:02.16 | junix | only to the RAID card, which stops at 2TB |
| 19:02.19 | junix | but it shouldn't |
| 19:02.25 | rozie | _lilibox_: just install the server |
| 19:02.38 | topgun21 | Could some one please help me configure my broadcom Corperation BCN 4312 wifi adapter card |
| 19:02.38 | rozie | you have only client, I guess |
| 19:03.08 | junix | abrotman: i'm using a 64K block size |
| 19:03.12 | topgun21 | !wl |
| 19:03.12 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (14e4:4315). Packaged for Debian <testing>. To install, ask me about <wl one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. |
| 19:03.17 | _lilibox_ | rozie> friend of mine said me there is not needed server, just some changes in setting, i looked over for something like dropbear but nothing |
| 19:03.32 | _lilibox_ | rozie> which package i sould install then? |
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| 19:04.22 | gewt | hm |
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| 19:04.29 | rozie | _lilibox_: if you want to connect via ssh to this machine, you definitly need server running there |
| 19:04.35 | gewt | I have no clue what drive ris beign sued for my graphics card |
| 19:04.40 | gewt | and fi it's 24bit or not |
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| 19:04.54 | rozie | _lilibox_: try apt-cache ssh server. hope you find one |
| 19:05.26 | rozie | apt-cache search ofc |
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| 19:06.01 | _lilibox_ | right now i am on machine connected to internet |
| 19:06.29 | _lilibox_ | i storing files and will install it on local machine tommorow |
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| 19:07.32 | _lilibox_ | it found openssh and lsh server |
| 19:07.37 | _lilibox_ | which one is better? |
| 19:07.47 | doudou | i install xserver-xorg but startx does not exist... seems you changed things |
| 19:08.22 | gravity | doudou: Install xorg |
| 19:08.49 | gravity | I'm going to say this once and for all: If you only install xserver-xorg you're an idiot. I didn't trim down the metapackage so people would keep installing just the server. |
| 19:08.52 | doudou | feel bored that you change the names, or some detaisl like this, are you playing to be bill gates or what? |
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| 19:09.10 | gravity | doudou: It's been xorg for years. |
| 19:09.37 | gravity | There's a reason the dependencies are the way they are. startx isn't required by the xserver, so it's not a dep. |
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| 19:10.23 | _lilibox_ | rozie> installed, works |
| 19:11.12 | doudou | some detail changed, xserver-xorg was enought before, maybe i am mistaking, anyway thanks for xorg, it worked |
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| 19:11.40 | doudou | keep in mind users, users have habits this is the most important part |
| 19:12.07 | gravity | Using the metapackage has been the recommendation for over half a decade now. |
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| 19:12.38 | KidneyBeans | what is the, erm |
| 19:12.44 | doudou | thanks for your work, i installed debian in less than one hour with network very easily, nothing except ethernet |
| 19:12.49 | KidneyBeans | location of the debian current netinstall? |
| 19:12.59 | gewt | I don't think xorg.conf shoudl be blank... |
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| 19:13.10 | KidneyBeans | yeh i also thought that |
| 19:13.12 | KidneyBeans | then it was! |
| 19:13.15 | KidneyBeans | debian is weird man |
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| 19:13.56 | cahoot | could include: #This file can be empty |
| 19:13.56 | stew | i don't think xserver-xorg was ever enough on its own |
| 19:14.11 | stew | perhaps if you had a remote font server |
| 19:14.26 | gravity | The X server doesn't need a font server |
| 19:14.53 | gravity | Although we pulled it in to prevent issues with some apps |
| 19:15.31 | stew | gravity: i'm saying how could you possible say that xserver-xorg is enough, you needed at least xfonts-base, if you were able to use xserver-xorg without xfonts-base you'd need some other way to load fonts, right? |
| 19:15.32 | gravity | The only reason to install the server alone these days is if you really don't like xterm |
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| 19:15.46 | gravity | stew: I'm pretty sure it pulls in xfonts-base |
| 19:15.53 | gravity | Or it used to. No idea about today. |
| 19:16.39 | stew | via recommends via xserver-xorg-core |
| 19:17.07 | gravity | Ah, that's it. I'm surprised it's only a recommends, although that might have been changed if the fixed font is built-in now. |
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| 19:19.45 | ProN00b | how do i mark a package to not get updated ? |
| 19:20.13 | stew | ProN00b: /msg dpkg hold |
| 19:20.37 | keith4 | how do I get the md5 sum of a debian iso? |
| 19:21.08 | JPT | md5sum <file> |
| 19:21.18 | keith4 | ... oh |
| 19:21.23 | JPT | :) |
| 19:21.38 | JPT | maybe you need to install md5sum first, but it should do :) |
| 19:21.42 | topgun21 | It isn't letting me install the wlan driver for my broadcom Bcm 4312 here is the link to a paste bin of the error message http://pastebin.com/m46cb97fc |
| 19:22.25 | d_b | Using Debian Stable 64 and VLC 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2. After adding debian-multimedia to my repositories vlc stopped showing video so I removed the repo and removed the packages installed. I reinstalled VLC and removed everything in ~/.vlc and the video started working. However, something changed and I think this is the problem http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=698 but the solution doesn't work (disable overlay) any ideas? |
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| 19:22.57 | ProN00b | cool, thanks, stew |
| 19:23.10 | cahoot | topgun21: the ociid imolies you need wl not b43? |
| 19:23.19 | cahoot | gosh |
| 19:23.35 | cr3rzemjest | hello |
| 19:23.48 | cahoot | topgun21: the pciid implies you need wl not b43? |
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| 19:23.59 | keith4 | JPT: yay! thanks |
| 19:24.19 | JPT | np :)# |
| 19:24.21 | remur_030_v2 | Good day, how can I use mkinitramf to build an initrd for a kernel I just built? |
| 19:24.32 | d_b | If I open the video once it's saturated and dark, if I pause and open it again the video looks fine. |
| 19:24.44 | remur_030_v2 | the only options are the configfile but that doesn't set which vmlinuz to use |
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| 19:24.54 | topgun21 | cahoot: could you -pleasde supply me with a good tutorial on installing the broadconm sta drivewr s under lenny |
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| 19:25.04 | cr3rzemjest | what is the difference between 'standard' and 'largefile' partition type, except the size of a 'node'? are 'largefile' partition files accessed faster/take less space if files are big enough? |
| 19:25.35 | remur_030_v2 | cr3rzemjest: is that the ext2 option? |
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| 19:25.39 | Chewy | I need help, my socket processes are using ALL of my ram for some reason, it usually only maxes 200mb.. my site is down because of this. |
| 19:25.40 | cahoot | topgun21: the wiki page seemed rather complete to me |
| 19:25.42 | Chewy | Can someone help |
| 19:25.42 | Chewy | ? |
| 19:25.54 | cr3rzemjest | remur_030_v2: indexed ext3 |
| 19:26.17 | remur_030_v2 | cr3rzemjest: I know an option like this which is basicly files larger 2gb |
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| 19:26.27 | remur_030_v2 | VERY old kernels can't handle these so you can disable it |
| 19:26.36 | topgun21 | cahoot: Here is the error messah=ge a receive when i try to instal the driver in question as per the wiki page.http://pastebin.com/m46cb97fc |
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| 19:27.09 | cahoot | topgun21: you did run m-a prepare? |
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| 19:29.02 | remur_030_v2 | cr3rzemjest: btw every option should be explained? |
| 19:29.12 | cr3rzemjest | remur_030_v2: yes |
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| 19:31.05 | cahoot | topgun21: also - you actually installed the suggested debs mentioned in the first stanza? |
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| 19:32.36 | exn | guys, it's possible to run matrix screensaver from console, I mean without X server |
| 19:32.38 | exn | ? |
| 19:32.49 | remur_030_v2 | exn: no |
| 19:33.06 | topgun21 | No it wonb't let me install the fucking debs because the broadcom-sta-source file a downloaded might be corrupt |
| 19:33.12 | exn | remur_030_v2, why ? |
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| 19:33.21 | topgun21 | !wl |
| 19:33.22 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (14e4:4315). Packaged for Debian <testing>. To install, ask me about <wl one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. |
| 19:33.35 | remur_030_v2 | exn: because it depends on X |
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| 19:34.17 | cr3rzemjest | remur_030_v2: u say as if everything was easy and intuitive in debian installer. today i tried to install debian on laptop and installer froze at least 3 times, either at some point during installation or screen was black. i've tried 'normal' install, graphical, expert mode, different desktop managers and eventually it installed. so yes, if installer doesn't do everything by itself and if i... |
| 19:34.18 | cr3rzemjest | ...can't be sure what would be side-effects of various options, everything should be explained so that i know what happens afterwards |
| 19:34.21 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm seeing what appears to be a cap at 5/6 MB/s on a lenny installation running on ESX4 . As far as I know, there is no traffic shaping involved on the internal network where I am scp'ing a ubuntu iso from one server to another. Is this evidence of a performance issue between lenny and ESXi 4.0.0? |
| 19:34.52 | cognitiaclaeves | ( or do further steps need to be taken to determine where the bottleneck is ? ) |
| 19:35.03 | exn | heh, what about xframebuffer, or version of screensaver which not depends on X, remur_030_v2, go to school |
| 19:35.23 | remur_030_v2 | cr3rzemjest: sorry I thought you were talking about a kernel option for the ext2 / ext3 filesystem, I don't know about the debian-installer |
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| 19:35.42 | remur_030_v2 | btw that was what I was asking you about |
| 19:35.47 | craigevil | exn: no but there is cmatrix |
| 19:36.02 | exn | right |
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| 19:36.37 | remur_030_v2 | exn: is everything alright? if you think you know better then go check the dependencies |
| 19:37.25 | exn | remur_030_v2: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5) |
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| 19:37.41 | exn | hehe =)) ubuntu |
| 19:38.25 | acu | when I boot - it takes forever to pass through swapfile - is any way to clean it ? where should I look what happens |
| 19:38.33 | acu | I run Lenny AMD |
| 19:38.43 | exn | thinking about replacing the getty with cmatrix :rolleyes: |
| 19:39.01 | remur_030_v2 | exn: this is the dependencies of cmatrix, not the matrix screensaver |
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| 19:39.17 | topgun21 | !wl |
| 19:39.17 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (14e4:4315). Packaged for Debian <testing>. To install, ask me about <wl one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. |
| 19:39.25 | abrotman | topgun21: you can msg the bot |
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| 19:43.48 | gewt | nice |
| 19:44.00 | gewt | your stuff is sure iseable |
| 19:44.10 | gewt | the X config file is blank |
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| 19:45.57 | gewt | which makes it oh, I don';t know. |
| 19:46.07 | gewt | a bit more difficult for peopel to make their weird steups work? |
| 19:47.22 | craigevil | gewt: X -configure will create a xorg.conf but for most things it just works fine being blank |
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| 19:48.37 | stew | gewt: does it really make it more difficult? you just have to make the configurations elsewhere |
| 19:48.53 | gewt | I know nothign abotu confgiureing xorg |
| 19:48.59 | gewt | and my monitor is epic nfail |
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| 19:51.01 | d_b | Using Debian Stable 64 and VLC 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2. After adding debian-multimedia to my repositories vlc stopped showing video so I removed the repo and removed the packages installed. I reinstalled VLC and removed everything in ~/.vlc and the video started working. However, something changed and I think this is the problem http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=698 but the solution doesn't work (disable overlay) any ideas? |
| 19:51.07 | d_b | If I open the video once it's saturated and dark, if I pause and open it again the video looks fine. |
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| 19:54.04 | x1250 | can /usr/local just be deleted and expect that a make install will redo all needed dirs? |
| 19:54.34 | asg | x1250: you could always mv /usr/local /usr/local.bak and see |
| 19:54.49 | x1250 | or ask in #debian :) |
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| 19:55.34 | azeem | x1250: depends on the Makefile you run |
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| 19:57.55 | sparr | Is there a program like pdfedit that will let me arrange all of my edits without modifying the document tree, then apply them all? pdfedit is very slow for me when applying single changes to large documents. |
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| 20:00.38 | x1250 | ok azeem, will take a look to the Makefile, thanks |
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| 20:02.02 | BoltPower21 | How do i add the pubic key to apt for a mirror so I don't get the error of "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available" |
| 20:02.06 | BoltPower21 | ? |
| 20:02.52 | craigevil | BoltPower21: which repo? |
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| 20:03.32 | BoltPower21 | craigevil: mirrors.kernel.org |
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| 20:05.15 | craigevil | BoltPower21: debian-archive-keyring should do it |
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| 20:05.31 | mlankhorst | is it possible for ia32-apt-get to somehow install a 32-bits xorg server? |
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| 20:06.09 | DGnome | Anybody have issues with Wine on 64bit platforms.. libuuid.so.1 not found to be more specific.. ? |
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| 20:06.35 | BoltPower21 | craigevil: package name? |
| 20:06.45 | craigevil | that is the package name |
| 20:06.48 | BoltPower21 | craigevil: is that the package name? |
| 20:06.58 | BoltPower21 | thansk |
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| 20:08.57 | BoltPower21 | i see would you just install debian-archive-keyring from the repo to add the key for that repo? |
| 20:09.32 | zmen01 | in case I had a user on my debian box like 6 months ago, and he had some text files, (and executed some commands on them which have been in ~/.bash_history of him) but he deleted all the files with rm -rf - is there any kind of way i would be able to retrieve these files? or have any forensic company retrieve? how big would the chance be it succeeds? |
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| 20:10.12 | azeem | zmen01: did the file system get written to in the meantime? |
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| 20:10.18 | azeem | or was the box unused since then |
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| 20:10.32 | mlankhorst | somehow ia32-apt-get dist-upgrade overwrote my 64-bits xorg with 32-bits xorg |
| 20:10.45 | lexoplex | I want to generally turn off anti-aliasing. I've done this a couple of times, but keep forgetting the key command. Something to do with "dpkg-reconfigure ...", I think. Any hints? |
| 20:10.52 | azeem | zmen01: also, which file system was the partition those files were on? |
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| 20:11.30 | lexoplex | (This is under lenny and Gnome, btw) |
| 20:11.51 | zmen01 | azeem: how can i check hwich partition it was? |
| 20:11.58 | azeem | zmen01: mount, e.g. |
| 20:12.08 | cahoot | lexoplex: using gnomes font tool isnẗ enough? |
| 20:12.21 | azeem | zmen01: but I guess the general answer is: No way to recover that after such a long time |
| 20:12.22 | sarevok | Hi, I just installed debian testing on my laptop. Problem is, I cannot do su from a X-terminal. From ctrl+alt+fX shells it works just fine. What's happening? |
| 20:12.43 | lexoplex | cahoot: Sorry, actually I want to make some basic X fonts visible to Gnome applications. Like Helvetica etc. |
| 20:12.48 | azeem | sarevok: what heppens when you run su? |
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| 20:13.17 | lexoplex | cahoot: So the problem is not what I initially stated, but to be able to pick Helvetica as a standard Gnome font. |
| 20:13.35 | sarevok | azeem: I'm just getting an authentication error |
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| 20:13.39 | lexoplex | Using xfontsel, I can verify Helvetica is there. |
| 20:13.40 | cahoot | lexoplex: maybe dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig? |
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| 20:13.51 | azeem | sarevok: well then, forget about restoring |
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| 20:14.04 | cahoot | lexoplex: or is it dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config? |
| 20:14.08 | sarevok | azeem: restoring what? |
| 20:14.17 | azeem | sarevok: eh sorry |
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| 20:14.22 | azeem | sarevok: wrong nick |
| 20:14.33 | azeem | sarevok: I asked you about the error, not "some error" |
| 20:14.40 | lexoplex | cahoot: That last one does it! Thanks! |
| 20:14.46 | topgun21 | I managed to get my wifi working |
| 20:14.49 | azeem | if you want help, you will have to reproduce/paste the exact error |
| 20:14.51 | azeem | !paste |
| 20:14.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 20:14.51 | zmen01 | ok azeem |
| 20:14.57 | topgun21 | !flash |
| 20:14.57 | dpkg | hmm... flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:14.58 | sarevok | azeem: It says "Authentication Error" (well, in german) |
| 20:15.15 | azeem | sarevok: maybe the wrong keyboard layout? |
| 20:15.26 | sarevok | azeem: I'll check that |
| 20:16.13 | nootoyahora | someboy has problems with java virtual machines? |
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| 20:18.44 | nootoyahora | Setting up openjdk-6-jre-headless (6b16-4) ... |
| 20:18.44 | nootoyahora | update-alternatives: error: alternative rmiregistry can't be master: it is a slave of java |
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| 20:19.06 | nootoyahora | waht's wrong with that? I hgoogled for it and it seems like tagged as done... |
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| 20:20.52 | azeem | judd: versions openjdk-6-jre-headless |
| 20:20.53 | judd | azeem: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 20:21.08 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.49 | topgun21 | !flash |
| 20:21.49 | dpkg | flash is probably frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:22.27 | _lilibox_ | how is the best solution for this please, i need every day backup some 20GB database from Windows2008Srv machine, where folder with this database is common shared in Windows Network, and i need back up this file to Debian's machine |
| 20:22.32 | nootoyahora | craigevil, /usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives: line 10: cannot create temp file for here document: No space left on device |
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| 20:22.55 | craigevil | No space left on device, drive full? |
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| 20:23.16 | topgun21 | !java |
| 20:23.16 | dpkg | from memory, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:23.38 | craigevil | !tell topgun21 about selftell |
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| 20:24.10 | nootoyahora | craigevil, I have made "df -h" and says it's ok, but there is some "extrange" (for me) overflow 1.0M 1.0M 0 100% /tmp |
| 20:24.29 | Jrm_ | !install java |
| 20:24.29 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 20:24.44 | craigevil | nootoyahora: are you running the command as root? |
| 20:24.51 | nootoyahora | craigevil, yes |
| 20:25.18 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 20:25.31 | topgun21 | !multimedia |
| 20:25.31 | dpkg | i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 20:25.53 | topgun21 | !dmm lenny |
| 20:25.53 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
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| 20:26.08 | sarevok | azeem: you were right about keyboard layout problems. somehow, I didn't have an xorg.conf after installation. Now I created the file with proper kbd options. |
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| 20:26.53 | nootoyahora | craigevil, some idea? |
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| 20:27.05 | abrotman | !tell topgun21 about msg the bot |
| 20:27.06 | wad | I need to do some SQL queries against an oracle database. I used to use SQLPLUS, but I don't have that on this Debian box. Is there another client I could use? Something I can install with apt-get? |
| 20:27.25 | abrotman | wad: tora maybe |
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| 20:27.42 | wad | abrotman, that's all GUI and stuff. Looking for something commandline and small. |
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| 20:28.17 | _Shade_ | where do i put the nameservers in debian (netinstall, no resolve.conf) |
| 20:28.24 | abrotman | wad: there is a CLI oracle client |
| 20:28.29 | abrotman | _Shade_: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:28.48 | abrotman | wad: don't think it's a debian package. . but it is available |
| 20:28.51 | wad | abrotman, ah, isn't that sqlplus? But I don't have an install for that. |
| 20:29.09 | _Shade_ | abrotman: I did that and still no internet through the dns names |
| 20:30.07 | _Shade_ | abrotman: I copied the entries I have on my arch linux box |
| 20:30.50 | _Shade_ | abrotman: the net is up and running though |
| 20:30.54 | abrotman | _Shade_: into which file? /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 20:31.08 | _Shade_ | abrotman: indeed |
| 20:31.22 | topgun21 | !java |
| 20:31.22 | dpkg | somebody said java was a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:31.22 | abrotman | _Shade_: `cat /etc/resolv.conf` .. put it in a pastebin |
| 20:31.27 | abrotman | !tell topgun21 about msg the bot |
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| 20:32.00 | abrotman | topgun21: please stop filling the channel with your stuff .. no one else needs it |
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| 20:32.15 | BoltPower21 | Is volatile and Securtiy repos the same thing? |
| 20:32.18 | abrotman | no |
| 20:33.26 | _Shade_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m6a5e704f |
| 20:34.01 | abrotman | _Shade_: maybe try removing the 'domain' line .. but it really shouldn't matter |
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| 20:34.46 | _Shade_ | abrotman: ah i think i forgot one thing |
| 20:34.50 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:35.00 | _Shade_ | abrotman: the gateway? |
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| 20:36.19 | _Shade_ | abrotman: should I also add the gateway IP by putting 'gw x.x.x.x' ? |
| 20:36.27 | abrotman | to what? |
| 20:36.30 | abrotman | not to the resolv.conf |
| 20:36.43 | abrotman | _Shade_: you're sure you have the correct filename .. right ? |
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| 20:37.08 | _Shade_ | abrotman: pretty sure, but let me check |
| 20:37.19 | nsadmin | in debian you would set up your interfaces (incl gateway) in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:37.28 | wad | abrotman, I found it. It's a lightweight client for whatever: Squirrel |
| 20:37.41 | abrotman | never heard of it |
| 20:37.42 | nsadmin | then you can use ifup eth0 an d ifdown eth0 |
| 20:37.59 | abrotman | wad: and don't see it in debian |
| 20:38.43 | _Shade_ | abrotman: yes, resolv.conf in etc :) |
| 20:39.20 | nsadmin | under 99% of circumstances you should edit that file rather than calling ifconfig and route directly |
| 20:39.27 | wad | Yeah, it's not in debian. :/ But it's just a java program, so it runs right out of the download. It's GUI, though. Anyway, it's lightweight. |
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| 20:45.39 | _Shade_ | abrotman: oh I didn't get any ip from my dhcp server it seems |
| 20:45.59 | abrotman | whoops |
| 20:46.01 | _Shade_ | abrotman: where do i set that up in debian? |
| 20:46.14 | abrotman | _Shade_: in your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:47.52 | _Shade_ | abrotman: hmmm I'd need an example |
| 20:47.53 | foo-nix | I fail to setup a network connection, namely on eth2, I have eth0, eth2 and wlan0. all ethernet expect the last, which is wireless. I have this configuration: http://pastebin.com/m2231a5f7 . Still, if I plug the cable in eth0, it works, if I plug it in eth2 it does not. Where works is, I can ping stuff. |
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| 20:48.19 | abrotman | _Shade_: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 20:48.45 | justin | foo-nix: what does mii-tool say? |
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| 20:49.02 | foo-nix | justin, dunno, never used the tool. Give me a moment. |
| 20:49.03 | _Shade_ | abrotman: for wireless? should i change just to wlan0? |
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| 20:49.20 | foo-nix | _Shade_, wireless also needs wpa configuration and such. |
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| 20:50.47 | abrotman | _Shade_: i gave you the example |
| 20:50.51 | foo-nix | justin, I am installing the mii-diag package, I assume that is the one you mean. |
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| 20:51.27 | seniorake | * hard nofile 2000 in /etc/security/limits.conf set a hard limit of max. open files to 20k, true? |
| 20:51.30 | justin | foo-nix: net-tools |
| 20:51.39 | seniorake | what is required to make that change effect? a system restart? |
| 20:51.47 | _Shade_ | foo-nix: yeah i know. I didn't use them for testing purposes, the network is now open |
| 20:52.04 | foo-nix | _Shade_, The "iface eth0 inet dhcp" line in /etc/network/interfaces only says that if a connection is established with the wireless network, dhcp is to be used to obtain an ip. |
| 20:52.40 | foo-nix | _Shade_, It does not specify how to connect, even when no encryption/whatever is used, it cannot connect since you at least need to set a essid. |
| 20:52.50 | foo-nix | _Shade_: or 'network-name' |
| 20:53.10 | _Shade_ | foo-nix: my wireless device is wlan0 so i replaced the eth0 |
| 20:53.30 | foo-nix | You will need wpa_supplicant, xsupplicant or networkmanager for that. To be honnest, I have not yet discovered how to do that correctly. |
| 20:53.45 | foo-nix | _Shade_, I don;t think that will work. Maybe try networkmanager to connect. |
| 20:53.49 | _Shade_ | foo-nix: i did that manually using iwconfig essid |
| 20:53.52 | foo-nix | it's the easiest way. |
| 20:54.08 | _Shade_ | foo-nix: on netinstall? :) |
| 20:54.08 | foo-nix | _Shade_, then it may work. did you also up the interface? |
| 20:54.20 | foo-nix | no, nopt on netinstall :P |
| 20:54.20 | _Shade_ | foo-nix: yes |
| 20:54.25 | foo-nix | kk |
| 20:54.29 | foo-nix | then it may work |
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| 20:54.57 | foo-nix | like said, I am only experienced in setting up wireless in gentoo. In debian, I only partially understand |
| 20:55.30 | foo-nix | Jussi, SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth2' failed: Operation not supported |
| 20:55.38 | foo-nix | I meant: |
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| 20:55.41 | foo-nix | justin, SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth2' failed: Operation not supported |
| 20:55.42 | foo-nix | ouch |
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| 20:56.08 | justin | foo-nix: not a great sign :) |
| 20:56.15 | justin | one thing I would try is not configuring them with the same IP |
| 20:56.16 | foo-nix | _Shade_, of course, you also need to configure dns, try to ping google.com or it's ip: |
| 20:56.27 | justin | depending on the devices on the rest of your network, having one IP show up with 2 macs might cause issues |
| 20:56.34 | foo-nix | justin, does ifconfig tells you wlan0 has an ip? |
| 20:56.45 | _Shade_ | foo-nix: none of those worked |
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| 20:57.02 | justin | if wlan0 had an IP then ifconfig would tell you it |
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| 20:57.27 | foo-nix | justin, good idea, but physically I only have a cable in one of them at a time. |
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| 20:57.42 | _Shade_ | oh man, setting it up on arch is pretty easy |
| 20:57.48 | justin | foo-nix: may not matter.. arp caches don't go away instantly |
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| 20:58.01 | foo-nix | justin, :) |
| 20:58.02 | justin | !wayttd _Shade_ |
| 20:58.02 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, _Shade_? |
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| 20:58.12 | foo-nix | justin, can I clear /flush them somehow? |
| 20:58.27 | justin | foo-nix: easiest thing to do is just not use the same IP for testing |
| 20:58.35 | _Shade_ | justin: just trying to set my wireless up using netinstall |
| 20:58.45 | blendmaster1024 | whee!!! i have 24 of 31 lenny 502 cds! |
| 20:58.47 | justin | _Shade_: what kind of wireless |
| 20:58.51 | blendmaster1024 | just started 25!!! |
| 20:58.58 | foo-nix | justin, kk |
| 20:59.10 | foo-nix | I will change both to make sure cachings are irrelevant :) |
| 20:59.13 | _Shade_ | justin: what do you mean by that? |
| 20:59.30 | justin | _Shade_: no encryption, wep, wpa, wpa psk, wpa enterprise... |
| 20:59.47 | _Shade_ | justin: open, managed wireless with an access point |
| 21:00.28 | loxx | blendmaster1024: do you want to adorn a christmas tree with these cds? ;) |
| 21:00.30 | justin | _Shade_: uh.. then your card is probably already associated to the access point |
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| 21:00.54 | _Shade_ | justin: iwscan says it is indeed |
| 21:00.57 | foo-nix | _Shade_, you might have thought about this yourself, but try to connect the machine by a cable, install all, then use network-manager. |
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| 21:01.00 | justin | _Shade_: not iwscan, iwconfig |
| 21:01.13 | _Shade_ | justin: i meant iwlist scan |
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| 21:01.20 | justin | _Shade_: not iwlist scan, iwconfig |
| 21:01.23 | foo-nix | _Shade_, it's way easier to move the machine to the router, set it up there, do the install and try it that way. |
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| 21:01.34 | foo-nix | _Shade_, assuming it is a desktop. |
| 21:01.48 | justin | iwlist scan.. scans, you do not want to scan |
| 21:01.56 | foo-nix | _Shade_, on the other hand, I also am into an all-night adventure each once in a while :P |
| 21:01.57 | _Shade_ | foo-nix: nope, it's a laptop |
| 21:02.10 | justin | _Shade_: what does ifconfig say? |
| 21:02.21 | _Shade_ | justin: you're right, i meant iwconfig |
| 21:02.27 | foo-nix | _Shade_, then I assume to install all over ethernet, and then do wireless by networkmanager |
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| 21:04.26 | justin | _Shade_: g2g.. i doubt you have an actual problem though, sounds like you just haven't told it to use DHCP |
| 21:04.59 | micols | how do i |sort on du -sh ? i.e. with G and M and T post-fixes? |
| 21:05.13 | micols | sort -n only works for du -s |
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| 21:06.01 | _Shade_ | justin: just figured out that wlan0 is NOT associated with the AP |
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| 21:07.12 | doudou | again here to complain |
| 21:07.45 | doudou | first step is you must agree, that, before trying to fight complex, you should master simple |
| 21:07.54 | loxx | is it possible to permanently tell synaptic not to install recommend packages? if i uncheck this box in settings, restart synaptic the box is checked again. damn. i am using lenny, etch does behave correcty. |
| 21:08.02 | azeem | doudou: do you have a Debian question? |
| 21:08.09 | doudou | second step, is that some programmers who fail, should stop trying |
| 21:08.18 | doudou | i install lenny |
| 21:08.26 | doudou | probably a bad idea |
| 21:08.33 | azeem | 23:07 < azeem> doudou: do you have a Debian question? |
| 21:08.39 | azeem | because this is not a chat channel |
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| 21:09.12 | doudou | azeem, take the time to listen, i spend enought time to read boring man pages, so you must understand what slow mean |
| 21:09.15 | gaintsura | btw, to whomever told me there wouldn't be any problems with moving my drives to a new case/mobo/ram, etc, there were issues, drive's were not given the same letters, ended up spending a half hour setting fstab to use UUID's |
| 21:09.17 | craigevil | loxx: create a apt.conf and put APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::Install-Suggests "0"; in it |
| 21:10.02 | loxx | craigevil: where should this file be placed? |
| 21:10.05 | doudou | i suppose that all is not made on purpose that i come here to ask answer |
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| 21:10.26 | craigevil | loxx: > /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 21:10.38 | loxx | craigevil: ok thanks! |
| 21:11.06 | doudou | so i want you to share the pain, well i installed lenny, install xorg, and i have right keyboard before startx and wrong keyb after startx |
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| 21:11.41 | stew | doudou: use setxkbmap to set the correct kb map |
| 21:11.48 | stew | doudou: (/msg dpkg keymap) |
| 21:11.53 | doudou | this worked fine before, why not anymore ... obviously you dont master simple so stop playing with complex |
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| 21:12.17 | stew | doudou: what do you mean by dont master simple"? |
| 21:12.27 | doudou | setxkbmap ... why no some dpkg-reconfigure x... |
| 21:12.29 | azeem | 23:07 < doudou> second step, is that some programmers who fail, should stop trying |
| 21:12.34 | azeem | something like that |
| 21:12.39 | doudou | also, why no more xorg.conf file? |
| 21:12.54 | azeem | doudou: it's a bug and it will be fixed soon |
| 21:13.13 | doudou | simple should be dont change what is working if you are not sure of what you are doing, seems simple to understand simple |
| 21:13.15 | azeem | you can install the candidate fix from lenny-proposed-updates if you want |
| 21:13.24 | stew | doudou: you can have an xorg.conf if you want to configure stuff statically. its not needed in most cases |
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| 21:13.54 | amse | :D |
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| 21:14.02 | foo-nix | justin, Well, I will just plug it in eth0 then :P Since it keeps on failing and the man suggest that the interface doesn't support mii. It's a shame, eth2 was a usb-interface which was nicely located below my desk and functioned as a nice docking-station. |
| 21:14.05 | doudou | its a bug???? i beleived that lenny was tried for years before now... and we can find keyboard bugs?? |
| 21:14.32 | foo-nix | doudou, nothing is bugfree of course. |
| 21:14.47 | doudou | your only chance is that others are worse, but you are very very bad |
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| 21:15.02 | azeem | doudou: yes |
| 21:15.06 | azeem | doudou: do you have another issue? |
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| 21:15.44 | foo-nix | doudou, during darker times, debian used to have some mayor ssl issue in some rsa keygen utility. |
| 21:15.44 | doudou | another issue?? probably yes, wait a second i just try anything |
| 21:15.48 | foo-nix | *mayor* |
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| 21:16.51 | rgr | using aptitude how does one see which repository a package is coming in from (I have pinning to favour lenny but also have testing and unstable in there). |
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| 21:18.08 | doudou | setxkbmap maintains problem, problem is kb good before startx and wrong after |
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| 21:18.18 | ali_h | Hi Guys, Im using debian lenny - got 2 sound cards installed, both showed up and worked fine until I added new user account now no sound show in gnome and alsaconf detects and drivers insalled but still no sound cards are shown in gnome - any ideas? |
| 21:18.34 | azeem | doudou: then you maybe used it wrongly |
| 21:19.31 | doudou | probably i typed "setxkbmap" only, i did not supposed that i should spend one hour for such problem |
| 21:19.46 | mustard | hi. where can I get an mpeg2 encoder from for my debain unstable? tried mjpegtools but it won't install due to various conflicts |
| 21:20.34 | azeem | doudou: you think it should drill your brain and scan which keymap you want |
| 21:20.35 | azeem | ? |
| 21:20.47 | azeem | we can send somebody to your place if you prefer that |
| 21:20.56 | azeem | otherwise, you will have to tell it what keymap you prefer |
| 21:21.25 | doudou | i want the same keymap i had before launching startx |
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| 21:21.47 | azeem | so install it |
| 21:21.54 | azeem | man setxkbmap |
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| 21:22.22 | doudou | i loose my time, awfully my time should be spend trying to install a copied windows? |
| 21:22.33 | azeem | you're also losing my time |
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| 21:22.41 | azeem | while I should fix bugs |
| 21:22.52 | doudou | keyboard errors ... back in 1980 |
| 21:24.25 | doudou | someone tried improvement ... 30 years back improvement !!! what could be my question? |
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| 21:25.38 | azeem | doudou: please use another forum for general ranting; if you have specific further questions you are welcome to ask them here |
| 21:26.03 | daemon | ali_h, two sound cards not detecting in gnome? No idea, time to install XFCE :) |
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| 21:26.27 | daemon | in my experiance gnome generally is a pain in the ass, I think you have to be in the right user groups though |
| 21:26.39 | daemon | but as im not at a debian box at the moment I could not check |
| 21:26.42 | daemon | anyone else know? |
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| 21:27.21 | ali_h | thank you daemon |
| 21:27.42 | doudou | you did not answer my last question |
| 21:28.28 | doudou | eclipse hangs JVM terminated ... what should i do? |
| 21:28.28 | azeem | doudou: it wasn't Debian specific |
| 21:29.50 | doudou | another question, can i find answers another way than asking here? it is always painfull, because people here are always trying to explain that it is my fault and trying to bend reality in a way that hurts |
| 21:30.28 | daemon | doudou, Google, Man Pages, mailing lists, taking a debian developer hostage |
| 21:30.29 | daemon | lots |
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| 21:30.55 | gravity | /usr/share/doc is your friend as well |
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| 21:31.11 | fas3r | can i add a file in an tar.gz archive ? |
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| 21:31.28 | doudou | google ... sorry as so many people wrote so many stupidities, it is nowadays impossible to find any relevant information with google |
| 21:31.36 | fas3r | because actually i decompress and recompress the file :p |
| 21:31.46 | azeem | doudou: then maybe next time don't come across as thinking we are all idiots |
| 21:31.56 | azeem | and somebody might be more inclined to help you |
| 21:31.57 | gravity | doudou: That's not true at all. Google is still one of the best resources out there for problems. |
| 21:32.01 | adama_ | fas3r: man tar |
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| 21:32.39 | fas3r | adama_: yeah i know ... :) |
| 21:32.39 | doudou | man pages ... as so many student beleived that wroting the life of the program in the man page, it is impossible to find any relmevant information as obsolete man pages remains in the game |
| 21:32.41 | adama_ | fas3r: you want the -r command |
| 21:32.46 | daemon | fas3r, tar -czvf |
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| 21:33.09 | daemon | oh wait |
| 21:33.11 | daemon | add my fault |
| 21:33.33 | gravity | doudou: Stop assuming that all the documentation is wrong or written by stupid people and learn how to read it. |
| 21:33.43 | azeem | doudou: you can buy commercial Debian support if you want |
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| 21:33.51 | daemon | gravity, that would mean he had to learn to be stupid too though! |
| 21:33.52 | azeem | then people *have* to listen to you and try to help you |
| 21:34.03 | gravity | daemon: Too late |
| 21:34.05 | daemon | gravity, ;) |
| 21:34.08 | doudou | i tried last week to find how to set focus to the last char in a textbox in Csharp, i read almost 20 pages, most interting one was the one explaining that it is not possible ... in fact it is very possible, one hour lost reading stupidities |
| 21:34.19 | fas3r | adama_: yes thank i have find ^^ -r, --append append files to the end of an archive ... thank ;) |
| 21:34.20 | gravity | wtf... |
| 21:34.25 | positron_ | Hello! I'm trying to get network with my SiS 191 but no good. I have IP given by DHCP, resolv.conf is right and the card is listed in lspci, but still doesn't work. |
| 21:34.49 | doudou | i am very sorry, i wont buy what look like a toy for a professionnal use |
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| 21:35.03 | stew | doudou: please stay on-topic in this channel |
| 21:35.04 | gravity | doudou: Go away |
| 21:35.23 | doudou | maybe debian should do some work in the wiki |
| 21:35.28 | davidmatthew | i am trying to get my wireless working, i've installed network manager and it doesn't find any networks, and i've tried to manually configure a network |
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| 21:35.37 | stew | doudou: please just stick to asking and answering questions related to debian end-user support. not c-sharp, not random discussion and not random complaining |
| 21:35.51 | doudou | gravity, you remmember, people trying to bend reality ... |
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| 21:36.22 | stew | doudou: i've silenced you for 10 minutes |
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| 21:36.23 | gravity | damn, I'm too slow for stew |
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| 21:36.30 | doudou | random ... stew seems to have very very short memory range |
| 21:36.39 | stew | woah |
| 21:36.53 | stew | i'm too broken |
| 21:36.55 | doudou | silence |
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| 21:37.06 | daemon | Sorry to be a pain in the ass guys, but could any of you on debian lenny 'id' you're self and paste which groups you are a member in so ali_h can get her sound cards working... I think I am correct in assuming that if a user has two sound cards, created a new user, then suddenly gnome cannot detect them, it is likely a group permission issue? |
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| 21:37.46 | gravity | I should really fix that hashref |
| 21:38.15 | daemon | gravity, :) could be worse it could miss the mask completly and set *!*@* |
| 21:38.36 | ajavid | man dude |
| 21:38.53 | kc8pxy | I'm trying to find a better solution. i have a website under apache which I'm trying to access via bluefish over ftp. i can login fine, and read all the files as my non-root user, but not edit/write any. what is the best user to chown the files/directories to? or is there a better solution? the other solution i can think of is to enable root ftp. i don't like that one.. |
| 21:39.03 | ajavid | I've discarded stable and moved to sid and now I'm unhappy again (not becuase I can't use sid) |
| 21:39.27 | ajavid | because its not 'stable' and I like the 'stable' label, and then there is another problem, using stable, too old |
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| 21:39.46 | azeem | ajavid: stating the obvious, eh? |
| 21:39.49 | ajavid | I just don't know what to do, seems I just can't be satisfied with anything |
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| 21:39.58 | ajavid | azeem, just trying to make up my mind man |
| 21:40.00 | ajavid | :/ |
| 21:40.05 | azeem | well sorry |
| 21:40.08 | azeem | but this is a support channel |
| 21:40.22 | Titan8990 | did i miss the good stuff? |
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| 21:41.03 | kc8pxy | ajavid: that is exactly where i was when i left debian as my primary distro. granted, that was a long time ago. |
| 21:41.08 | ajavid | on a system with 16gb, used as a desktop, one should use amd64 or x86 with BIGMEM/PAE ? |
| 21:41.23 | azeem | ajavid: as always, depends on usage |
| 21:41.25 | ajavid | are there any issues with any amd64 apps? |
| 21:41.34 | ajavid | like flashplayer etc. or w32codecs? |
| 21:41.38 | ajavid | and java too |
| 21:41.39 | ranix | ajavid: amd64 |
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| 21:41.46 | Titan8990 | ajavid, amd64, no question |
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| 21:42.34 | ajavid | I am currently booted under kubuntu, just to see 4.3 before I installed on debian, is nice, I think I'll go with a ... hm I'm thinking |
| 21:42.38 | Titan8990 | why anyone would ever need 16gb of ram for anything other than server visualization is the real question |
| 21:42.47 | Titan8990 | err virtualization |
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| 21:43.44 | ajavid | there used to be a bug that if you installed via netboot kernel/initrd, and you debconf_priority=low so you can specify to download the base system from unstable repos, it used to fail upon a kernel installation (the bug only existed if doing a direct sid install via netboot or netinst) |
| 21:43.55 | ajavid | is this bug still around? |
| 21:44.14 | ajavid | also, I heard that they are not preparing nightly sid intaller images, is this correct? |
| 21:44.18 | ajavid | now* |
| 21:44.28 | ajavid | like sid cd isos |
| 21:44.59 | Titan8990 | ajavid, why not get a sid ISO.... but then again sid was NEVER intended to be a someone desktop OS |
| 21:45.19 | Titan8990 | ajavid, squeeze atleast on a path to release |
| 21:45.22 | ajavid | so they DO have sid isos? |
| 21:45.35 | stew | Titan8990: we use 16gb of ram for trying to give postgres lots of in memory workspace |
| 21:46.05 | ajavid | Titan8990, I'm rich biatch! I play with toys :) |
| 21:46.06 | gravity | ajavid: There's probably unofficial ones, but they're silly |
| 21:46.15 | ajavid | gravity, oh, so its not official |
| 21:46.18 | ajavid | nm then. |
| 21:46.26 | gravity | There's no point to it |
| 21:46.34 | Titan8990 | ajavid, stew, then its no longer really a dektop PC |
| 21:46.41 | Titan8990 | it would be more like a datacenter |
| 21:46.50 | ajavid | Titan8990, and yes, I virtualize |
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| 21:46.58 | positron_ | Can someone help me with my network problem? |
| 21:47.08 | kardell | whats goin on? |
| 21:47.10 | stew | Titan8990: oh, i didn't know your question was about desktop PCs |
| 21:47.18 | stew | positron_: just ask |
| 21:47.35 | positron_ | stew: I asked already, here goes again. |
| 21:47.39 | positron_ | I'm trying to get network with my SiS 191 but no good. I have IP given by DHCP, resolv.conf is right and the card is listed in lspci, but still doesn't work. |
| 21:47.51 | kc8pxy | ajavid: sid is intended to be the forge that hammers out the stability. unless you want/are ok with a possibly bumpy ride, i'd not choose sid as a primary repo. |
| 21:47.51 | Titan8990 | stew, well, you did provide a reason outside of virtualization, so it was a valid point, but we are talking about a 16gb RAM desktop |
| 21:48.00 | ajavid | I had a great setup, lenny, xorg 7.4 with free 3d, python 2.6, lots of new backported stuff, but it was getting to be a headache to maintain. if I wanted to install another X app, either I had to backport a few other libs to resolv confclits etc. or soemthing or the other |
| 21:48.15 | Titan8990 | !tell positron_ about doesntwork |
| 21:48.20 | ajavid | kc8pxy, I've been using debian since 2001, sid since 2003 fulltime |
| 21:48.26 | ajavid | kc8pxy, I think I'll be alright |
| 21:48.26 | Titan8990 | err |
| 21:48.37 | ajavid | kc8pxy, thanks though :) |
| 21:48.42 | positron_ | Titan8990: I ping stuff and I get Destination Host Unreachable |
| 21:48.59 | jelly-home | positron_: what does the route table look like? |
| 21:48.59 | Titan8990 | positron_, including your gateway? |
| 21:49.06 | positron_ | Yes. |
| 21:49.23 | Titan8990 | positron_, answer jelly's question |
| 21:49.27 | kc8pxy | ajavid: i use gentoo and regularly keyword and unmask stuff.. I'm ok with some/lots of unstability.. not everyone is :) |
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| 21:49.55 | jelly-home | positron_: (ie pastebin the output of "ip r" or "route -n") |
| 21:50.02 | Titan8990 | ajavid, what hes saying is that you should install gentoo and add ACCEPT_KEYWORDS to your make.conf |
| 21:50.07 | ajavid | lol |
| 21:50.11 | Titan8990 | kc8pxy, :) |
| 21:50.16 | kc8pxy | Titan8990: LOL!!!:) |
| 21:50.26 | positron_ | jelly-home: 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 and 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 21:50.32 | positron_ | I can't pastebin. |
| 21:50.39 | ajavid | i guess a squeeze nteboot with a lower debconf priority should be ok, amd64 |
| 21:50.43 | jelly-home | positron_: and you can't ping 192.168.1.254? |
| 21:50.48 | positron_ | Yup. |
| 21:51.14 | Titan8990 | positron_, then 192.168.1.254 is not properly routing |
| 21:51.15 | jelly-home | positron_: can you ping your own ip on tht network segment? |
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| 21:51.35 | Titan8990 | positron_, and thats your gateway which you answered "no i can't ping it" to earlier |
| 21:51.48 | positron_ | I know. |
| 21:51.58 | positron_ | jelly-home: I can ping my own IP. |
| 21:52.18 | jelly-home | ok (that doesn't really mean much, though) |
| 21:52.20 | Titan8990 | positron_, is .254 your own IP? |
| 21:52.28 | positron_ | 192.168.1.2 |
| 21:52.39 | jelly-home | positron_: can you ping .1 ? |
| 21:52.48 | positron_ | No. |
| 21:53.10 | jelly-home | positron_: is tcpdump installed? |
| 21:53.12 | Titan8990 | just to double check, you can ping .254 |
| 21:53.19 | Titan8990 | and it is your gateway? |
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| 21:53.39 | ali_h | I'm using debian lenny, got 2 sound cards installed, both showed up and worked fine until I added a second user account, now no sound controls are availible in gnome and none of my applications can find a sound card, I checked in alsa config and boht cards are configured correctly i can play music to either of them as root, but neither seem to exist to the second user. |
| 21:53.46 | positron_ | Titan8990: I can't ping .254 and it's my gateway (router). |
| 21:53.52 | positron_ | jelly-home: it is not. |
| 21:54.04 | jelly-home | positron_: uname -r? |
| 21:54.05 | positron_ | It's a fresh Debian install. |
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| 21:54.16 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 21:54.36 | positron_ | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 21:54.43 | jelly-home | "try a newer kernel" |
| 21:54.44 | Titan8990 | positron_, dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 21:54.54 | kc8pxy | any thoughts on my dilemna? |
| 21:55.00 | tox2ik | do i need the /usr/include/ dir if im not planning on compiling anything? |
| 21:55.21 | positron_ | I get output, about 15 lines. |
| 21:55.23 | Titan8990 | kc8pxy, i missed what your dilemna was |
| 21:55.24 | jelly-home | positron_: is there just one ethernet interface in the machine? |
| 21:55.32 | positron_ | I'll try a new kernel. |
| 21:55.33 | kc8pxy | I'm trying to find a better solution. i have a website under apache which I'm trying to access via bluefish over ftp. i can login fine, and read all the files as my non-root user, but not edit/write any. what is the best user to chown the files/directories to? or is there a better solution? the other solution i can think of is to enable root ftp. i don't like that one.. |
| 21:55.33 | positron_ | Yes. |
| 21:55.35 | Titan8990 | positron_, alright, errors? |
| 21:55.43 | Titan8990 | positron_, link state up? |
| 21:55.46 | jelly-home | positron_: you can't take picture with a camera and pastebin it? |
| 21:55.53 | positron_ | I have a wireless card but only one ethernet. |
| 21:56.14 | ajavid | alright starting |
| 21:56.16 | ajavid | later |
| 21:56.23 | positron_ | link on 100 Mbps Full Duplex mode. |
| 21:56.30 | positron_ | I can't. :( |
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| 21:56.57 | positron_ | link becomes ready |
| 21:57.08 | kc8pxy | positron_: sounds like a routing issue, what's your routing table look like? |
| 21:57.14 | Titan8990 | kc8pxy, you could enable apache webdav and chown them to www-data |
| 21:57.19 | cr3rzemjest | what to do if i don't get response to pings, websites aren't loading, all connection settings are aquired via dhcp, while laptop is not-wirelessly connected to a switch? i have a pc with working internet connection (windows) and i simply unplugged wire from it and plugged into laptop. shouldn't that work? |
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| 21:57.26 | positron_ | kc8pxy: I copied above. |
| 21:57.52 | ali_h | wonders why she is being ignored :( |
| 21:57.57 | petemc | cr3rzemjest: check dmesg to see if the link is up |
| 21:58.00 | cr3rzemjest | could it be that my ISP binds IPs to MACs? but i think ive had differentip before |
| 21:58.07 | Titan8990 | cr3rzemjest, w/o recognfiguring netwokring? now |
| 21:58.15 | Titan8990 | cr3rzemjest, dhclient eth0 |
| 21:58.27 | kc8pxy | positron_: ping loopback? |
| 21:58.29 | Titan8990 | cr3rzemjest, but then you will end up with two default routes which could present an issue |
| 21:58.39 | cr3rzemjest | Titan8990: ive done that, dhclient eth0, /etcinit.d networking restart , also rebooting |
| 21:58.51 | positron_ | kc8pxy: It pings the loopback. |
| 21:58.55 | Titan8990 | cr3rzemjest, does it acquire and address via dhcp? |
| 21:59.04 | cr3rzemjest | Titan8990: yes |
| 21:59.07 | Titan8990 | cr3rzemjest, did you bring down the wlan0 interface so its not still trying to use that? |
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| 21:59.24 | kc8pxy | positron_: pings the dhcp'd ip? |
| 21:59.36 | positron_ | Could it be a driver issue? |
| 21:59.39 | positron_ | No. |
| 21:59.51 | daemon | ali_h, women always get ignored on irc :-( |
| 21:59.51 | positron_ | Wait. |
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| 21:59.58 | positron_ | Yes, it pings own IP. |
| 22:00.06 | cr3rzemjest | ill try to do dat |
| 22:00.17 | kc8pxy | positron_: check layer 1? |
| 22:00.20 | Titan8990 | cr3rzemjest, ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 22:00.22 | positron_ | How? |
| 22:00.31 | jelly-home | positron_: that doesn't mean much... own ip = packets never get on the wire |
| 22:00.37 | Titan8990 | positron_, layer 1 is the physical connection to the router/switch |
| 22:00.45 | jelly-home | positron_: "is the cable connected" |
| 22:00.56 | positron_ | It is good because it works on Vista. |
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| 22:02.24 | positron_ | How would I get an IP without layer 1? |
| 22:02.30 | ali_h | daemon: i'm beginning to think your right |
| 22:02.31 | Titan8990 | positron_, static |
| 22:02.35 | jelly-home | ali_h: if noone answers, it likely means they don't have an idea. Try later or ask on the debian-user mailing list |
| 22:02.46 | Titan8990 | positron_, ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 22:02.50 | Titan8990 | positron_, ^ example |
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| 22:02.59 | positron_ | Oh. |
| 22:03.14 | ali_h | thanks jelly-home |
| 22:03.16 | Titan8990 | my network is all static addressing |
| 22:03.21 | positron_ | So my best shot is a more recent kernel? |
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| 22:03.27 | daemon | jelly-home, all she needs is the default user groups a user is in for gnome lol |
| 22:03.38 | ajavid | debian installer will not go past usb detection. it detects my usb gamepad, and then it shows detecting usb mouse, and then freezes, i never get to the installer menu options |
| 22:03.43 | Titan8990 | positron_, fire up a live cd with a newer kernel and see if it works in that |
| 22:03.46 | ajavid | squeeze daily netinst image |
| 22:03.51 | ajavid | netboot |
| 22:03.52 | Titan8990 | positron_, before you get into making a custom kernel |
| 22:04.10 | positron_ | Titan8990: I'll try latest Ubuntu livecd. |
| 22:04.22 | jelly-home | daemon: sorry? |
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| 22:04.26 | Titan8990 | ajavid, apt is flexible, install lenny and upgrade |
| 22:04.29 | ajavid | kernel /linux root=/dev/ram0 debconf_priority=low |
| 22:04.35 | kc8pxy | Titan8990: i prefer "dynamically static", or as i use the analogy, James Bond addressing :0 |
| 22:04.38 | kc8pxy | :) |
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| 22:05.06 | daemon | jelly-home, 'id username' of a user who uses the default gnome installation |
| 22:05.23 | jelly-home | daemon: why are you telling _me_ this? |
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| 22:05.50 | daemon | jelly-home, I was saying its very unlikely that someone could not throw that one single command out of an entire channel |
| 22:06.00 | ajavid | this is really irritating |
| 22:06.03 | jelly-home | daemon: if you know how to help a user, tell them. |
| 22:06.15 | daemon | jelly-home, I dont run debian as a desktop, nor gnome as a wm |
| 22:06.19 | positron_ | Titan8990: but I tried already Gentoo on it and it had kernel version 2.6.30 and had the same problem. |
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| 22:06.43 | Titan8990 | positron_, with gentoo, you have to compile everything in the kernel manually |
| 22:06.46 | jelly-home | daemon: but you presume to have na idea of what's wrong, which is more than I can say. |
| 22:06.53 | Titan8990 | positron_, its not setup for all hardware like other distros are |
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| 22:07.05 | Titan8990 | positron_, its only setup for the hardware you configured it for |
| 22:07.23 | positron_ | I thought the kernel of it was generic meant to support most of the hardware. |
| 22:07.35 | positron_ | The one that comes in the iso. |
| 22:07.39 | Titan8990 | positron_, so if you were already had problems and it was your first custom kernel, i would find it unlikely that you could fix it |
| 22:07.44 | kc8pxy | positron_: ok, now you have me, what does lspci -vk say for the card? |
| 22:07.48 | Titan8990 | positron_, the gentoo iso's kernel is older than dirt |
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| 22:08.05 | daemon | jelly-home, yeah she created a second user which is not within the same groups as the 'original' user was, so she needs to add the second user into the same groups as the initial user was. so all she actually needs to answer her question is the output from someone using the default gnome installation. You mentioned that no one knows, I was simply correcting you that out of all these people considering the in-herent popularity of gnome, its highl |
| 22:08.05 | daemon | y unlikely |
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| 22:08.20 | Titan8990 | daemon, grep FIRSTUSER /etc/group |
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| 22:08.25 | jelly-home | positron_: if the hardware is new enough, there might be issues. It might also be that something is broken in exactly 2.6.26+debian patches, and not before or after. |
| 22:08.29 | kc8pxy | Titan8990: how is that? |
| 22:08.31 | daemon | Titan8990, she deleted the initial user on creation of the second |
| 22:08.38 | Titan8990 | oh |
| 22:08.52 | Titan8990 | deleted how? |
| 22:08.57 | daemon | deluser |
| 22:09.18 | daemon | or is it userdel, |
| 22:09.21 | daemon | one of the two |
| 22:09.26 | Titan8990 | daemon, users and plugdev group should be fine |
| 22:09.36 | jelly-home | daemon: dude, if you know all that, then tell that to the user. You kept quiet all the time instead, which I naturally interpreted as "no one awake knows" |
| 22:09.37 | positron_ | kc8pxy: Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 191 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 02) |
| 22:09.49 | daemon | jelly-home, I would know all that im her boyfriend sat not 3 ft away. |
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| 22:09.57 | Titan8990 | daemon, and someone can correct me but i believe "admin" is the wheel group in debian |
| 22:09.59 | kc8pxy | positron_: -k shoudl also tell you what kernel module it's using as a driver. |
| 22:10.02 | positron_ | Kernel modules: sis190 |
| 22:10.06 | kc8pxy | kk |
| 22:10.10 | daemon | Titan8990, ah always make that mistake, to used to freebsd :) |
| 22:10.15 | fas3r | i use the apt version of openssl, and it dont create the demoCA/serial files .. i find the solution, create manually the serial file. But do you know if a patch or something exist fix the problem ? (witch version) |
| 22:11.21 | Titan8990 | fas3r, sounds like you probably know more about it from your research then us here |
| 22:11.30 | phorce1 | daemon: these are the groups for my daily use accounty on Lenny running Gnome desktop |
| 22:11.32 | ali_h | thanks Titan8990 :) |
| 22:11.35 | phorce1 | daemon: dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio video plugdev scanner mythtv fuse |
| 22:11.51 | jelly-home | daemon, ali_h: "adduser username audio"; log off, log back in |
| 22:11.58 | fas3r | Titan8990: lol :) |
| 22:12.05 | fas3r | i'm not sure ^^ |
| 22:12.33 | jelly-home | phorce1: there's a "sudo" group in Debian? |
| 22:12.37 | daemon | phorce1, much appreciated, thank you muchly, thank you also jelly-home and of course Titan8990, now she can harass me with youtube for the next 4 hours ;) |
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| 22:12.58 | phorce1 | jelly-home: there is if you're playing with sudo and install it |
| 22:13.04 | themill | !desktop groups |
| 22:13.04 | dpkg | The standard groups in Debian that a desktop user would normally be in are: dialout (modem usage), cdrom (CD/DVD), floppy, audio, video (video devices), plugdev (usb disks), netdev (network configuration through hal/networkmanager/wicd), powerdev (power scheme management). Ask me about <group> and <groups>. |
| 22:13.22 | phorce1 | doesn't think he's ever actually used it though, that's what su - is for |
| 22:14.11 | ajavid | 05:13 [msg(judd)] versions kdebase |
| 22:14.11 | ajavid | 05:13 [judd(n=stew@unaffiliated/stew/bot/judd)] An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 22:14.58 | kc8pxy | Titan8990: how do i connect after i make those changes? |
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| 22:15.34 | Titan8990 | kc8pxy, to webdav? I usually mount them as shares, or nautilus has built-in webdav functionality |
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| 22:16.21 | Titan8990 | kc8pxy, if you use gnome... places -> connect to server |
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| 22:17.12 | jelly-home | ajavid: yeah... pasting in #debian probably isn't the preferred way of contacting stew! |
| 22:17.44 | Titan8990 | kc8pxy, if you are also are wanting to access via windows, windows explorer has built-in webdav functionality as well but there is a hack that is needed because windows refuses to omit a domain name prefix |
| 22:18.14 | ajavid | jelly-home, now he knows |
| 22:18.40 | kc8pxy | Titan8990: webdav:/ in gnome? |
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| 22:19.00 | ajavid | jelly-home, channel bot, bot problem, publically let him know, I don't see the problem with the way |
| 22:19.05 | ajavid | jelly-home, what is the preferred method? |
| 22:19.06 | jelly-home | well, it worked |
| 22:19.21 | Titan8990 | kc8pxy, no, omit the protocol prefix |
| 22:19.28 | Titan8990 | kc8pxy, its http:// but it appends that for you |
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| 22:20.50 | Titan8990 | kc8pxy, also, webdav is usually preferred over ftp when going across the internet because it can be more easily encrypted through TLS |
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| 22:21.47 | kc8pxy | Titan8990: i've never added webdav to an apache server. what do i add to my sites-available file for that site? an RTFM link is fine if you want. |
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| 22:22.41 | Titan8990 | kc8pxy, well, apache docs are nice so i will http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_dav.html |
| 22:23.02 | Titan8990 | kc8pxy, in debian you can use a2enmod to enable the webdav module |
| 22:23.37 | ajavid | I could just install stable again |
| 22:24.04 | ajavid | argh. |
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| 22:24.55 | Titan8990 | ajavid, debian is a good stable distro, thats why i use it |
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| 22:25.04 | ajavid | yes it is |
| 22:25.07 | ajavid | but you don't get it man |
| 22:25.11 | Titan8990 | ajavid, if i wanted bleeding-edge, i would use something else... (and i do) |
| 22:25.17 | ajavid | I got greedy last night |
| 22:25.41 | ajavid | so I upgraded to sid, massive problems, so I removed 2gb worth packages, problems went away, I upgraded, all was fine, I rejoiced |
| 22:25.59 | ajavid | I wake up in the morning, think I logged into a diff machine, wiped it out |
| 22:26.02 | ajavid | now I'm pissed. |
| 22:26.18 | ajavid | pissed feeling went away, kinda, now I'm deciding what to do, go with stable again or something else |
| 22:26.21 | kc8pxy | Titan8990: thanks to openvpn, i don't have to access it over the net :) |
| 22:26.33 | ajavid | greed got me man, wanted to try kde4 |
| 22:26.53 | jelly-home | greed... and not having backups done before and after upgrades |
| 22:26.56 | ajavid | I should'nt have done that, everything on it was exactly as I wanted it, perfect setup |
| 22:27.03 | ajavid | jelly-home, this is a toybox |
| 22:27.17 | Titan8990 | ajavid, you have 16gb of RAM, install opensuse in a vm or something.... |
| 22:27.23 | jelly-home | ajavid: no reason to get pissed then? |
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| 22:27.30 | ajavid | jelly-home, just the work man |
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| 22:27.33 | ajavid | thats all |
| 22:27.40 | Titan8990 | the work is the fun |
| 22:27.52 | ajavid | jelly-home, I have all the backports I build on stable like 7.4 xorg etc. etc. |
| 22:28.05 | ajavid | so i can install stable, and then install my backports and get back on track |
| 22:29.00 | jelly-home | ajavid: that's still more work than mkfs; mount; cp -a /backup/root/2009-08-07/tree/* /target |
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| 22:29.14 | Titan8990 | ajavid, xorg is version 1.7 in squeeze |
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| 22:29.29 | Titan8990 | ajavid, where do you get 7.4? |
| 22:29.44 | stew | judd: versions xorg |
| 22:29.45 | judd | stew: xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 squeeze: 1:7.3+19 sid: 1:7.4+3 |
| 22:30.02 | stew | 7.3 in lenny, 7.4 in sid |
| 22:30.15 | jelly-home | Titan8990: 1.7 looks like an X server's version; |
| 22:30.38 | jelly-home | judd: versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 22:30.38 | judd | jelly-home: xserver-xorg-core -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny1 squeeze: 2:1.4.2-11 sid: 2:1.6.3-1+b1 |
| 22:30.50 | Titan8990 | the wth did gentoo call it the xorg 1.5 upgrade guide? http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.5-upgrade-guide.xml |
| 22:30.54 | jelly-home | and even that's at 1.6.3 |
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| 22:30.59 | Titan8990 | just to confuse me I guess.... |
| 22:31.07 | jelly-home | Titan8990: "server" |
| 22:31.29 | jelly-home | Titan8990: each module of Xorg has their own version now |
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| 22:31.37 | phorce1 | groups |
| 22:31.37 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, lol but the title of the page just says: Xorg 1.5 Upgrade Guide |
| 22:31.43 | phorce1 | oops |
| 22:32.13 | jelly-home | Titan8990: ask the gentoo people. That's the X server version, not the whole Xorg |
| 22:32.25 | jelly-home | (afaik ;-) |
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| 22:33.08 | jelly-home | Titan8990: the url says xorg-server-1.5, and that doesn't look wrong |
| 22:33.21 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, afaik, xorg-server is the meta package, because you use your VIDEO_CARDS and INPUT_DEVICES in make.conf to control which parts of the meta were pulled |
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| 22:33.31 | Titan8990 | fires up his gentoo laptop |
| 22:33.47 | zinx | oops, i thought this was #debian for a second |
| 22:34.58 | jelly-home | Titan8990: uh, I don't really care about it at all; just saying that "1.7" looked more like X.org's X server version itself rather than the whole of X. :> |
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| 22:37.41 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, yeah, we got OT. the meta package in gentoo is xorg-x11 and does have 7.x versions and xorg-server is current 1.5.3 |
| 22:37.56 | freenose | Hi, what's the parameter to pass to boot: in the cdrom when no grub is installed? |
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| 22:38.15 | Titan8990 | freenose, it has to have some kind of bootloader |
| 22:38.31 | freenose | Titan8990: it doesn't |
| 22:38.54 | Titan8990 | freenose, i think you need to explain what your trying to do a bit better |
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| 22:39.39 | freenose | Titan8990: I don't have a boot loader, I want to use the cd boot the system |
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| 22:41.22 | Titan8990 | freenose, what cd? |
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| 22:42.10 | sikun | ok, i'm trying to get my wireless to work.. i'm using network manager, but.. what ive done so far is downloaded and compiled the compat-wireless-old package and compiled it, installed the modules.. it shows wireless networks now.. but still won't connect.. but also i rebooted just alittle bit ago, and now it doesn't seem to load the new module |
| 22:42.13 | freenose | Titan8990: debian install cd |
| 22:42.36 | freenose | What's the name normally for the kernel image? |
| 22:42.44 | sikun | nm, the module is loaded, but not wanting to connect still |
| 22:42.48 | Titan8990 | freenose, its not intented to do that, and it depends on the version |
| 22:43.11 | Titan8990 | freenose, vmlinuz-VERSION |
| 22:43.43 | Titan8990 | freenose, initrd.img-VERSION |
| 22:44.12 | Titan8990 | freenose, for lenny 686, version will be 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 22:45.35 | freenose | Titan8990: I'm looking for the squeeze one :) |
| 22:45.39 | ajavid | zinx, huh? |
| 22:46.24 | ajavid | freenose, linux-image-* |
| 22:46.57 | Titan8990 | judd, versions linux-image |
| 22:46.58 | judd | Titan8990: linux-image -- |
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| 22:47.41 | themill | judd kernels |
| 22:47.43 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc5-686 (2.6.31~rc5-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14096); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-3~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch2); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 22:51.00 | ajavid | man... me and my stupid greedy ass |
| 22:51.27 | ajavid | I still can't decide if to do stable again or something new |
| 22:52.40 | ajavid | ok, question, what would you run on a development box? web dev mostly, gonna setup a LAMP stack for demoing to clients etc. |
| 22:53.02 | ajavid | should I go with stable (as this isn't going to be a real server server) just gonna run services on it for small time stuff like this |
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| 22:53.53 | ajavid | but I also play open arena and nexuiz, and they are horribly outdated in stable, won't even connect to any multiplayer games... so I guess I should to testing or sid |
| 22:53.56 | ajavid | oh boy |
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| 22:54.04 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 22:54.16 | themill | ajavid: stable is the only way to go for that sort of stuff. Perhaps the odd backport of some development tool you like... but you want to work on web dev not fix your machine.... /msg dpkg moving target :P |
| 22:54.37 | ajavid | themill, yeah, very wise words |
| 22:54.51 | stephans_ | does anyone know a good way to see home much video tam there is on a linux box? I tried man -k vga, video, agp... |
| 22:54.57 | ajavid | themill, that is what I initially did, and I have backups of all the backports I've done so far also |
| 22:55.24 | ajavid | hmm.. I wonder how a sid chroot for gaming would work out |
| 22:55.44 | ajavid | but then again I wanted to try kde4 too |
| 22:55.53 | ajavid | oh my god, wtf is with all these choices and decisions... goddamit I'm losin gmy mind |
| 22:56.00 | ajavid | im gonna go, do non computery things for a while |
| 22:56.05 | ajavid | hopefully that will help, bye bye people |
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| 22:56.59 | stephans_ | soooo... does anyone know a good way to see home much video tam there is on a linux box? I tried man -k vga, video, agp... |
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| 23:02.01 | pingouin | is it possible to use lzma compression with tar ? |
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| 23:02.33 | Dassu | Aargh. |
| 23:02.37 | pingouin | like tar -cvj blah.tar.bz2 foo/ for bz2 compression |
| 23:02.54 | pingouin | or my tar version is too low to handle it maybe ? |
| 23:03.11 | Dassu | Anybody has any idea what should do to fix an error with a custom kernel "VFS ... root partition not found" |
| 23:03.23 | Dassu | The hdd is recognized during the boot time so no sense it makes |
| 23:03.31 | Dassu | and it also displays options: " " |
| 23:03.34 | dick-richardson | I would like to load an image from a hdd into a ramdisk, run it there, and unmount the hdd - can somone point me in the right direction? |
| 23:03.53 | Dassu | and no I'm not willing to use a initrd. |
| 23:04.16 | Titan8990 | Dassu, its been quite a few days, have you tried the forums? |
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| 23:05.08 | Dassu | Titan8990: I have tried googling |
| 23:05.26 | Dassu | But most of the people seem to get satisfied with "Make initrd image..:" |
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| 23:05.39 | Titan8990 | Dassu, wait... did i ever see your menu.lst? |
| 23:05.41 | Dassu | In my case ramdisk woudl over complicate |
| 23:05.47 | Dassu | Titan8990: OF course. |
| 23:05.48 | Titan8990 | Dassu, thats because your not asking gentoo users |
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| 23:06.18 | Dassu | Titan8990: Any ideas if using UUID instaed of ROOT=/dev/hd* |
| 23:06.24 | Dassu | can It help ? |
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| 23:06.33 | sikun | ok.. trying to get my wireless working, the chipset is AR242x, i've installed the older modules.. i had it finding the wireless networks, but wouldn't connect.. now it won't even find the networks again |
| 23:06.34 | Titan8990 | Dassu, doubt it |
| 23:06.53 | Titan8990 | Dassu, if it doesn't list available partitions somewhere around the error |
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| 23:07.02 | Titan8990 | Dassu, then you lack the storage controller driver..... |
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| 23:07.22 | Dassu | Titan8990: But shouldn't there be an indication of it missing ? |
| 23:07.26 | Kuifje111 | hello all. |
| 23:07.30 | Dassu | Because the hdd seems to be still ehre |
| 23:07.40 | Titan8990 | Dassu, during the boot of the kernel |
| 23:07.50 | Kuifje111 | how to see the applications which are being run in screen? |
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| 23:08.08 | Titan8990 | Dassu, it could be the case that in your existing kernel your device name is /dev/hdx and is /dev/sdx using the new kernel |
| 23:08.39 | Dassu | Titan8990: Not the case really because /dev/hdc is printed out during the boot of the "broken" kernel |
| 23:09.10 | Dassu | Also my working kernel is 2.6.26-1 and the compield is 2.6.26 |
| 23:09.14 | Titan8990 | Dassu, oh |
| 23:09.32 | Titan8990 | Dassu, if it prints that its typically incorrect menu.lst (root=) or /etc/fstab |
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| 23:10.33 | stephans_ | does anyone know a good way to see home much video tam there is on a linux box? I tried man -k vga, video, agp... there is no way I take it? |
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| 23:11.03 | Dassu | Titan8990: :-\ Yeah but "available options:" is printed after it and its empty |
| 23:11.10 | Titan8990 | Dassu, oh |
| 23:11.19 | Dassu | It really looks like it is able to get info on HDD but still not about the partitions |
| 23:11.21 | Titan8990 | Dassu, back to lack of storage controller |
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| 23:11.39 | Dassu | Titan8990: Do you remember where is that located in menuconfig ? |
| 23:12.04 | Titan8990 | Dassu, device drivers - sata -> intel piix/ICH/ etc |
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| 23:12.21 | Titan8990 | Dassu, needs to be marked * |
| 23:12.39 | Dassu | Titan8990: I'm not using SATA. It is old IDE drive. Actually from xbox :D |
| 23:12.54 | Titan8990 | Dassu, that is the piix driver |
| 23:12.59 | Dassu | :O |
| 23:13.02 | Titan8990 | Dassu, your drive will be emulated as sata |
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| 23:13.13 | Dassu | eeeh |
| 23:13.15 | Titan8990 | Dassu, and you will need to make the needed hdx/sdx changes |
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| 23:13.30 | Dassu | Now I'm confused O_o |
| 23:13.51 | Titan8990 | Dassu, maybe im confused |
| 23:13.59 | Titan8990 | Dassu, you have an ICH chipset right? |
| 23:15.04 | racecar56 | every time i run a nvidia driver installer it says Error in check sums 4143800197 3664377590 but i freshly downloaded it |
| 23:15.09 | Dassu | Titan8990: Actually NFORCE3 |
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| 23:15.37 | Titan8990 | Dassu, are you on the machine right now? |
| 23:15.44 | dick-richardson | anyone familiar with booting to a ramdisk? |
| 23:15.51 | Dassu | Titan8990: Yeah yeah (the HDD is from Xbox but it is normal PC) |
| 23:16.22 | Titan8990 | Dassu, xbox? the orginal xbox's had locks on their HDDs |
| 23:16.23 | KidneyBeans | dassu wtf man |
| 23:16.28 | KidneyBeans | LOL |
| 23:16.31 | Titan8990 | Dassu, i bricked one trying to unlock it once |
| 23:16.33 | Dassu | Titan8990: :-P |
| 23:16.36 | KidneyBeans | those hard disks are only like 20gb man :/ |
| 23:16.40 | Dassu | Titan8990: You can crack them |
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| 23:17.06 | Dassu | KidneyBeans: that's why I use it only for the system |
| 23:17.06 | Titan8990 | orginal xbox drives were 8gb |
| 23:17.36 | Titan8990 | Dassu, do: lspci -k on the machine |
| 23:17.46 | Dassu | 00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK8S Parallel ATA Controller (v2.5) (rev a2) |
| 23:18.01 | Titan8990 | -k should give the kernel module |
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| 23:18.20 | Titan8990 | unless you have an older version of coreutils |
| 23:18.40 | Dassu | http://pastebin.ca/1524488 |
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| 23:19.56 | Dassu | OH |
| 23:20.02 | Dassu | Kernel driver in use: AMD_IDE |
| 23:20.19 | Titan8990 | Dassu, you need marked *: |
| 23:20.54 | Dassu | Titan8990: # CONFIG_PATA_AMD is not set |
| 23:21.02 | Dassu | Titan8990: I think I found the bug:O |
| 23:21.03 | Kuifje111 | where does debian save the .bash_history file if the home directory does not exist? |
| 23:21.07 | Titan8990 | Dassu, device drivers -> ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support |
| 23:21.32 | Titan8990 | Dassu, device drivers -> Serial ATA and Parallel ATA drivers |
| 23:22.07 | Titan8990 | Dassu, device drivers -> ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support -> AMD and ndvidia IDE support |
| 23:22.10 | Dassu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.15 | Dassu | That was atleastset |
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| 23:22.23 | Dassu | So that's not the case O_o |
| 23:22.28 | Titan8990 | Dassu, device drivers -> Serial ATA and Parallel ATA drivers -> nvidia sata support |
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| 23:23.26 | Dassu | Titan8990: Was set "*" |
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| 23:23.42 | Dassu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.44 | Dassu | Was not set |
| 23:23.48 | Dassu | What do you think ? |
| 23:23.54 | Dassu | Same location |
| 23:24.16 | Dassu | I'm almost 100% that's the problem. |
| 23:25.04 | Titan8990 | same location? i dont see it |
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| 23:25.04 | Dassu | Titan8990: k, thanks. Starting to compile now :-) |
| 23:25.06 | Titan8990 | oh in the sata section |
| 23:25.07 | Dassu | Grrr |
| 23:25.11 | ranix | !n00b |
| 23:25.12 | dpkg | well, n00b is l33t jargon for newbie. |
| 23:25.40 | Titan8990 | Dassu, if that works it will emulate your drive as sata, but you will know if it does |
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| 23:26.02 | Dassu | Titan8990: Humm |
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| 23:26.23 | Titan8990 | Dassu, or you may need to remove the other driver |
| 23:26.35 | Dassu | Titan8990: O_o |
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| 23:27.16 | Titan8990 | atleast you have direction |
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| 23:35.54 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 23:44.17 | ajavid | alright im back on stable :/ |
| 23:45.29 | Dassu | :\ |
| 23:46.34 | ajavid | ok, so I'm installing my backports of xorg 7.4, other than say pinning, is there a way to specify it to 'hold' all xorg related packages so when I install something else from stable, it doesn't try to downgrade xorg to 7.3 or 7.1 or whatever stable has |
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| 23:47.08 | ajavid | and when pinning, how would I give my xorg packages priority as they do not come in from a repository but from my hdd instead |
| 23:47.09 | Titan8990 | ajavid, man aptitude |
| 23:47.18 | Titan8990 | ajavid, aptitude hold <package> |
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| 23:47.33 | themill | ajavid: you can pin by "origin" |
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| 23:47.35 | ajavid | Titan8990, other than manually doing a hold for each package |
| 23:47.43 | ajavid | themill, I was thinking that, what would the origin be |
| 23:47.52 | stew | ajavid: "rm /etc/apt/preferences" would make it not downgrade packages |
| 23:47.52 | topgun21 | is there a port of DevC for debian? |
| 23:48.03 | ajavid | stew, oh fantastic, I did not know that |
| 23:48.10 | stew | ajavid: (man apt_preferences, you have to go out of your way to get something to downgrade) |
| 23:48.12 | themill | apt-cache policy tells you that. "/msg dpkg pinning" and keep reading and trying and reading and trying.... |
| 23:48.46 | ajavid | good stuff |
| 23:48.47 | ajavid | thanks |
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| 23:49.15 | themill | ajavid: but as stew said, apt will never try to downgrade unless you have some pretty odd pinning |
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| 23:49.31 | ajavid | currently none, this is a fresh stable install from kde cd1 |
| 23:50.48 | kenjy_ | how can I see my webcam while Im recording from it? If I try to use my webcam with tvtime while Im recording with mencoder it shows no signal and if I try to record with mencoder from my webcam while Im ussing tvtime -d /dev/video1 I get a message "Cannot open demuxer." can you help me? |
| 23:50.56 | ajavid | once I get this xorg installed, I'll make a 32bit chroot for my latest games, in fact even sid doesn't have the latest version of nexuiz, so it doesn't connect to a lot of games, so that one I'll have to build manually I think |
| 23:50.57 | racecar56 | i instaslled nvidia drivers with http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowTo and kdm refuses to start |
| 23:51.19 | topgun21 | !DevC |
| 23:51.20 | ajavid | 2.4.2 in sid vs, 2.5.1 in upstream |
| 23:51.51 | ajavid | themill, you're right though, I do want stable, I don't want to have to keep fixing my box, I just wanna get work done |
| 23:52.00 | themill | :) |
| 23:52.22 | ajavid | I completely dirtified my stable the first time around installing god knows what kinds of -dev packages and what not just to get 7.4 xorg built correctly |
| 23:52.32 | ajavid | this time around I already have the packages built ;) |
| 23:52.51 | themill | ajavid: building in a cowbuilder or similar can help prevent that sort of mess |
| 23:53.15 | ajavid | themill, I usually do that, keep a sep chroot for building things, but I didn't this time |
| 23:53.46 | ajavid | but cowbuilder (first time I heard this term)( |
| 23:53.49 | ajavid | !cowbuilder |
| 23:54.09 | ajavid | oh its on the wiki |
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| 23:54.55 | ajavid | interesting |
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| 23:55.47 | racecar56 | does debian even work with nvidia |
| 23:55.53 | ajavid | racecar56, of course |
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| 23:56.09 | ajavid | racecar56, you can try /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see where the problem might be |
| 23:56.42 | ajavid | racecar56, or pastebin the file and let us peek |
| 23:57.00 | Titan8990 | racecar56, yes, and comes with a nifty module-assistant tool thats good for installing the proprietary drivers |
| 23:57.04 | ajavid | !dmm |
| 23:57.05 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 23:57.23 | phorce1 | racecar56: works great here Tuxcart, Open Arena, Frets On Fire, nifty 3d stuff running at balls-out FPS |
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| 23:57.58 | ajavid | ah another open arena player |
| 23:58.15 | ajavid | phorce1, do you have a usb guitar or do you just use keyboard for frets on fire? |
| 23:58.35 | ajavid | I wonder if you can somehow hook up the ps3 guitar hero guitar on deb |
| 23:58.40 | racecar56 | Titan8990: it dosen't work for me :( |
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| 23:58.51 | phorce1 | ajavid: only solo when I'm REALLY bored. I get killed fast when I go up against the professionals (professional includes anyone over 6 years old who has played for at least 10 minutes) |
| 23:59.01 | ajavid | lol |
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| 23:59.54 | phorce1 | ajavid: should be able to hook up the xbox one. USB drivers should be floating around. I only installed FoF to test because I'm having issues with another machine running another distro. |