| 00:00.37 | Titan8990 | !tell racecar56 about dosen't work |
| 00:00.46 | ajavid | I see |
| 00:00.48 | racecar56 | Titan8990: kdm wont start |
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| 00:01.17 | phorce1 | < ajavid> racecar56, you can try /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see where the problem might be |
| 00:01.20 | ajavid | infrared module bluetooth plus 40$ wiimote and emulator/roms ;), same with other stuff. I have a Gravis gamepad pro |
| 00:01.25 | Titan8990 | racecar56, did the module install? did you use the official debian nvidia guide? http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 00:01.29 | ajavid | it works with lots of games natively |
| 00:01.49 | ajavid | phorce1, if you like platform games I used to maintain a game for like 2 weeks hehehe few years ago |
| 00:01.59 | ajavid | phorce1, secret maryo chronicles, awesome game |
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| 00:02.57 | phorce1 | ajavid: I just like to see what I can break. I'll probably never play FoF but I may look into building a keyboard wedge axe from spare parts just to see if I cane |
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| 00:03.24 | phorce1 | Something that would plug into ANY PC regardless of OS |
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| 00:04.36 | phorce1 | Right now I'm playing anything faster than solitaire. The weather combined with my arthritis means my hands are swollen as big as hams and not very speed tolerant |
| 00:04.42 | lolufail | hi |
| 00:04.45 | phorce1 | s/I'm playing/I'm not playing/ |
| 00:05.21 | ajavid | phorce1, you know what cures arthritis? right ;) |
| 00:05.25 | lolufail | is there a repository for nginx 0.7.x ? I can't seem to find one, and am not a huge fan of self-compiled stuff |
| 00:05.46 | ajavid | lolufail, in stable main it is there but not 0.7 i think |
| 00:05.51 | ajavid | judd versions nginx |
| 00:05.52 | judd | ajavid: nginx -- etch: 0.4.13-2 etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.6.32-3 squeeze: 0.6.34-2 sid: 0.7.61-1 |
| 00:06.03 | ajavid | lolufail, you can backport it from sid if you'd like |
| 00:06.04 | lolufail | ah |
| 00:06.08 | ajavid | !tell lolufail -about ssb |
| 00:06.23 | lolufail | thanks :D -.-, could have thought of that myself :D |
| 00:06.30 | ajavid | it happens |
| 00:06.49 | ajavid | right now I'm trying to fix icon problems in konqueror 3.5.10 |
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| 00:07.01 | ajavid | apparantly the sidebar tab has no icons, just a broken icon, icon |
| 00:07.18 | ajavid | I changed the theme to kde-icons-nuvola (the most beautiful theme ever imo) |
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| 00:09.05 | ajavid | hmm.. you can right click the tab and set the icon, nice, I did not know that |
| 00:09.06 | Titan8990 | ajavid, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/SlicknesS?content=71993 |
| 00:09.14 | ajavid | i hate gnome with a passio |
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| 00:09.20 | askvictor | I have a usb disk I keep my secret keys (ssh, gpg) on. I keep an ext3 partition for that purpose so permissions are set OK, but there are user permission problems - my UID on my home machine is different to my work machine. Any solutions for this? using FAT won't allow me to chmod 600... |
| 00:09.34 | Titan8990 | ajavid, you can also easily delete your task manager from the panel, with no easy way of reordering items |
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| 00:09.52 | ajavid | Titan8990, im not sure what you are talking about, and why |
| 00:10.02 | ajavid | Titan8990, I'm KDE all the way, through and through. |
| 00:10.04 | kenjy_ | how can I see my webcam while Im recording from it? If I try to use my webcam with tvtime while Im recording with mencoder it shows no signal and if I try to record with mencoder from my webcam while Im ussing tvtime -d /dev/video1 I get a message "Cannot open demuxer." can you help me? |
| 00:10.07 | Titan8990 | askvictor, use truecrypt |
| 00:10.18 | Titan8990 | ajavid, i was talking about kde 4.2 |
| 00:10.27 | ajavid | I'm not down with kde4 yet |
| 00:10.35 | ranix | I'm not down with kde at all |
| 00:10.42 | ajavid | im not down with you |
| 00:10.46 | ajavid | hah booya |
| 00:10.46 | Titan8990 | ajavid, well, kde 4 has the problem i just described |
| 00:10.48 | abrotman | stop |
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| 00:11.59 | Titan8990 | Dassu, any luck? |
| 00:12.21 | askvictor | Titan8990: does Truecrypt provide a filesystem layer, or just an encrypted block layer? |
| 00:12.55 | ajavid | Titan8990, why are you telling me about kde4 randomly? |
| 00:13.44 | ajavid | I'm trying to figure out why my icons are screwed up, brand new install, so I'm guessing somewhere in my old settings when I restored soemthing went wrong |
| 00:14.09 | abrotman | so try a new user |
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| 00:15.18 | ajavid | its not just that, I don't see a treeview either |
| 00:15.25 | abrotman | or not .. |
| 00:15.42 | ajavid | i will i will, hold your horses |
| 00:15.47 | ajavid | im trying to identify the problems first |
| 00:15.49 | deever | anyone here who already did an 802.1X setup with hostapd? |
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| 00:18.03 | lolufail | hmm could someone elaborate on: 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 00:18.48 | lolufail | (which is from <simple sid backport>) |
| 00:18.52 | Titan8990 | askvictor, you would have to look into because im not sure |
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| 00:19.40 | askvictor | Titan8990: thanks; i think the UID mapping problem might still be an issue. Though I guess I could just use FAT and mount the whole partition 700 |
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| 00:20.25 | Titan8990 | askvictor, well, if someone gets a hot of you usb drive, perms or ACLs are not going to save your data |
| 00:20.31 | Titan8990 | s/hot/hold |
| 00:21.07 | Titan8990 | askvictor, encryption has a much better chance |
| 00:21.39 | kenjy_ | like all the time tnks for nothing |
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| 00:21.49 | lolufail | aaah debs |
| 00:21.51 | lolufail | not deps |
| 00:21.57 | ajavid | alright fixed, something stupid in .config |
| 00:22.26 | ajavid | alright now I need python 2.6 |
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| 00:23.18 | Gerzia | does wget redirect when it sees "Location: " ? |
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| 00:23.45 | ajavid | actually this is much better, I have a perfect stable setup, just like I want, latest xorg, kde3.5, blahbidy blah, and the system isn't dirty with hundreds of dev packages :D |
| 00:25.00 | ajavid | ahhh boy... now I can relax. |
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| 00:26.14 | askvictor | Titan8990: yeah, but the private keys are encrypted anyway... |
| 00:26.47 | ajavid | Gerzia, thats a good question, did you try it on a redirect header? |
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| 00:32.44 | lolufail | hmm guys anotherquestion: is it possible to bind nginx to 0.0.0.0:80, and the backend (apache) to 127.0.0.1:80 ? |
| 00:33.00 | lolufail | or not 0.0.0.0, but the ip instead :D |
| 00:34.33 | Titan8990 | askvictor, but the public key to decrypt them is likely easily accessible.... hence "public" |
| 00:35.43 | askvictor | Titan8990: ? The only thing to decrypt the private keys is the password, which is in my head. Public keys can only encrypt. |
| 00:38.44 | ccfontes | hi |
| 00:38.57 | lolufail | Titan8990: basic-understanding-of-keypairs-fail :D |
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| 00:40.49 | ccfontes | I have a file with a character `P` put there by hand from me (with the keyboard). the character is not what it seems, because the file parser finds an error there. When I replace `P` by `P` which is the same, the error disapears |
| 00:41.23 | ccfontes | before and after, the file is ascii. what may be happening here? |
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| 00:42.47 | deever | anyone here who already did an 802.1X eap-tls wired setup with hostapd? |
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| 00:50.11 | Toad | let's say I want to "ip addr add" a bunch of extra IPs to my interface... what's the best place to list those? is it /etc/network/interfaces or should I do an ifup script to call ip addr? |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | either |
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| 00:59.38 | acu | I am swapping continously - and when I boot also, it takes a lot of time when it reaches the swap - can I clean it ? How can I see what is in there |
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| 01:08.35 | acu | how can I check the swap |
| 01:09.16 | dondelelcaro | acu: free; will show you waht is going on with it |
| 01:09.30 | abrotman | vmstat |
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| 01:14.48 | KidneyBeans | What is the command to isntall svn? |
| 01:14.59 | KidneyBeans | all i get when i type 'aptitude search svn' is loads of plugins n shit |
| 01:14.59 | acu | dondelcaro abrotman which log deals with swap reports |
| 01:15.17 | dondelelcaro | KidneyBeans: subversion is its name |
| 01:15.44 | dondelelcaro | (and yes, subversion is one of the results, but it's probably hard to find) |
| 01:16.29 | deever | anyone here who already did an 802.1X eap-tls wired setup with hostapd? |
| 01:16.32 | KidneyBeans | i found it, thanks |
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| 01:16.43 | KidneyBeans | its on security.debian.org |
| 01:17.09 | dondelelcaro | KidneyBeans: yes... because it had a remote code execution exploit |
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| 01:17.17 | abrotman | acu: swap reports? |
| 01:17.44 | acu | abrotman: should I type that ? |
| 01:17.51 | abrotman | acu: i'm asking what a swap report is |
| 01:18.52 | KidneyBeans | lol |
| 01:18.55 | KidneyBeans | :/ |
| 01:19.02 | KidneyBeans | oss = secure? MY ASS |
| 01:19.36 | dondelelcaro | uh... it was found, and fixed |
| 01:19.58 | dondelelcaro | it's not like FLOSS doesn't have security issues, but generally they're found, and fixed fairly rapidly |
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| 01:22.19 | KidneyBeans | lol ;p |
| 01:22.32 | KidneyBeans | people use to propagandonate oss as being secure. |
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| 01:24.56 | dondelelcaro | people say all sorts of silly things. It's fairly clear that the major FLOSS packages are more secure than the commercial counterparts, though. |
| 01:25.38 | KidneyBeans | bleh its all the same to me man. |
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| 01:27.19 | KidneyBeans | the problem with oss is everybody involved in it is a goddamn pollitician. |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | KidneyBeans: wrong channel |
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| 01:28.33 | KidneyBeans | lol abrotman :o yuo again? |
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| 01:29.15 | KidneyBeans | abrotman: i think you need dis: http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2009-08/goodbye-ritalin-hello-brain-magnets |
| 01:29.31 | abrotman | KidneyBeans: this is not a social channel .. go play somewhere else |
| 01:29.51 | KidneyBeans | touchy ;p |
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| 01:33.14 | jimi_hendrix | is there a way to tell dpkg to use some dir that isnt / like /, so it would move all the files from the .deb to /some/folder/that/isnt/slash/ |
| 01:33.22 | jimi_hendrix | and install them |
| 01:33.26 | jimi_hendrix | s/dpkg/aptitude/ |
| 01:33.54 | KidneyBeans | i heard you're pretty good at playing the guitar. . . |
| 01:34.17 | jimi_hendrix | some say that |
| 01:34.22 | abrotman | KidneyBeans: last warning |
| 01:34.24 | jimi_hendrix | i hear you give people gas |
| 01:34.34 | KidneyBeans | yep :| |
| 01:34.37 | KidneyBeans | anyway |
| 01:34.43 | KidneyBeans | i think what you wanne do is set up a cache |
| 01:34.44 | abrotman | jimi_hendrix: you can unpack it manually if you want |
| 01:34.46 | KidneyBeans | or whatever its called |
| 01:35.02 | jimi_hendrix | abrotman, i know that |
| 01:35.10 | jimi_hendrix | dpkg -x something.deb something |
| 01:35.10 | dpkg | jimi_hendrix: are you using Windows? |
| 01:35.25 | abrotman | jimi_hendrix: right .. but you want to unpack it and still mark it as installed ? |
| 01:35.45 | jimi_hendrix | ya, and pull any deps and unpack them too |
| 01:36.02 | jimi_hendrix | isnt dpkg a bot |
| 01:36.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:36.11 | jimi_hendrix | >.> |
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| 01:36.12 | jimi_hendrix | <.< |
| 01:36.24 | abrotman | downloading isn't that hard .. why do you want to relocate the package ? |
| 01:37.26 | jimi_hendrix | lets just say i am bored and experimenting and crazy |
| 01:37.34 | jimi_hendrix | next question |
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| 01:38.11 | KidneyBeans | jimi_hendrix: abrotman is probably just going to get pissed off about something |
| 01:38.16 | KidneyBeans | so rather ask me. . . |
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| 01:38.48 | jimi_hendrix | well he wont have time, i am going to bed in a minute |
| 01:39.05 | paissad-hp | hi |
| 01:39.09 | paissad-hp | i would like to configure cups for my server , the ip adresse of my server station is 192.168.1.10, when i type into firefox http://192.168.1.1.10:631, that does not work, but the only ip adress does work ! |
| 01:39.14 | KidneyBeans | whats the time over there? here its 3:40 am lol |
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| 01:39.34 | KidneyBeans | paised hp what do you mean the only ip adress does work? |
| 01:39.35 | paissad-hp | i have " IT WORKS !", it's apache -) |
| 01:39.40 | KidneyBeans | oh! |
| 01:39.42 | KidneyBeans | its because |
| 01:39.43 | paissad-hp | how can i configure cups for my server station, i'm using another computer ! |
| 01:39.50 | paissad-hp | thanks in advance |
| 01:39.50 | KidneyBeans | you have apache installed |
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| 01:39.57 | KidneyBeans | i think you gotto bind cups to a specific port |
| 01:40.28 | abrotman | paissad-hp: tried localhost:631 ? |
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| 01:40.58 | abrotman | jimi_hendrix: you could manually unpack it and manually mark it installed .. but it's going to be in a non-standard location and probably cause issues |
| 01:41.32 | paissad-hp | abrotman, it works, but i'm using my laptop, and i want to configure cups for my server station, another computer |
| 01:42.06 | abrotman | paissad-hp: i don't use cups .. but check the cups config .. it's probably only listening on 127.0.0.1 .. see if there's an option to make it listen to all interfaces/IPs |
| 01:42.22 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 01:42.25 | jimi_hendrix | thanks |
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| 01:42.31 | abrotman | paissad-hp: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 01:42.42 | taras | is it safe to upgrade etch to lenny? |
| 01:42.52 | paissad-hp | abrotman, i've already checked, maybe not enough, but i'm on it :-) |
| 01:43.31 | abrotman | taras: many people have done it on many machines .. |
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| 01:55.18 | chavodelocho | hi guys, In case of that I have two Internet connections on my server, even if I use iproute2, have I need something to monitoring the link, like a script? |
| 01:56.43 | abrotman | !heartbeat |
| 01:56.52 | abrotman | judd: info heartbeat --release lenny |
| 01:56.53 | judd | abrotman: heartbeat (admin): is optional; Version: 2.1.3-6lenny1; Size: 1504.1k; Installed: 5108k -- Subsystem for High-Availability Linux |
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| 02:00.51 | fas3r | how to use diff file ? just chmod +x it ? |
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| 02:02.46 | topgun21 | I can't5 seem to get codeblocks to install |
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| 02:05.01 | helo | hmmm... anyone know why my raid device (non-root) isn't being assembled when i boot into sid? |
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| 02:05.12 | helo | works fine with lenny |
| 02:05.49 | deever | anyone here who already did an 802.1X eap-tls wired setup with hostapd? |
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| 02:15.25 | hn8456 | hi all |
| 02:15.46 | hn8456 | http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ |
| 02:16.16 | Stian1979 | masters of hot-key's I seek you to make my laptop buttons work. |
| 02:16.34 | hn8456 | Can I install Debian in that way to a computer without internet network ? |
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| 02:17.29 | pipeline | hn8456: any of the "netinstall" media will take care of you |
| 02:17.39 | pipeline | hn8456: despite the name, the "netinstall" doesn't require the internet to install |
| 02:17.53 | pipeline | hn8456: "netinstall" media contain the barest minimium of material required to install |
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| 02:18.23 | hn8456 | and businesscard image ? |
| 02:18.33 | pipeline | not sure. |
| 02:18.43 | pipeline | netinstall is the barest minimum, so if businesscard is smaller, it will require the net |
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| 02:19.16 | hn8456 | pipeline: thanks a lot |
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| 02:26.58 | binarystar | does anyone know "one server, one ip, a lot domains i want each mrtg graph per domain" |
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| 02:27.35 | abrotman | you mean apache logs ? |
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| 02:28.00 | binarystar | no apache |
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| 02:29.23 | abrotman | so be more explicit about what you want |
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| 02:34.17 | flourish | ls |
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| 02:35.41 | phix | what is the codename for testing? |
| 02:35.49 | phix | release name even |
| 02:36.33 | phix | ? |
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| 02:36.44 | stew | phix: currently squeeze |
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| 02:36.51 | phix | ok thnx :) |
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| 02:47.54 | smacnay | is anyone having trouble with empathy connecting to gtalk in recent days? possibly an update? |
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| 03:03.07 | kc8pxy | Titan8990: ok, I've obviously made some bad assumptions. I'm trying to enable the dav for the site i was talking about. up to help repair my goof? |
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| 03:04.02 | kc8pxy | anyone else, feel free to jump in. |
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| 03:07.58 | feyner | omg |
| 03:08.00 | feyner | hai guys |
| 03:08.05 | ubantu_dude | hey |
| 03:08.05 | feyner | I HAVE SERIAL PROBLEM |
| 03:08.14 | feyner | I HAVE INSTALLED UBUNTU ON MY SERBER |
| 03:08.15 | ubantu_dude | whats up feyner |
| 03:08.16 | feyner | AND IT HAS A VIRUS |
| 03:08.22 | feyner | WUT DO I DO |
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| 03:08.44 | ubantu_dude | rm -fr life/ |
| 03:09.06 | ubantu_dude | Im glad you kicked feyner, I heard he was a mexican and I dont take kindly to that |
| 03:09.08 | stew | feyner: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please keep it on-topic in the future and keep your caps lock off |
| 03:09.10 | mosno | ubantu_dude: are you enjoying your ban from #suse? |
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| 03:09.42 | x1250 | eats popcorn |
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| 03:10.12 | stew | mosno: wrong channel |
| 03:10.31 | mosno | stew: ? |
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| 03:10.55 | stew | mosno: please keep this channel on-toipc |
| 03:11.13 | mosno | stew: it was a heads-up to the channel to let them know that ubantu_dude is probably going to start trolling any second now |
| 03:11.40 | stew | mosno: please do that in #debian-ops |
| 03:11.45 | mosno | stew: ok |
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| 03:15.51 | bernie_ | ls |
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| 03:33.30 | gaintsura | apache wont let go of my tcp connections O.o |
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| 03:56.20 | kc8pxy | anyone here able to help get my apache to webdav correctly? |
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| 03:59.17 | hesco | I have a client who needs me to test the current project from a windows desktop. I don't have a single license in the house. I've launched an aws EC2 instance, enabling remote desktop. what tool in debian would be appropriate for making that connection? |
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| 04:02.00 | hesco | looks like terminal service client might just do the trick |
| 04:02.29 | kc8pxy | hesco: if not krdc is what i use to login to my windows TS. |
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| 04:10.27 | Wyzard | hesco: see the "rdesktop" package |
| 04:10.49 | Wyzard | hesco: That's launched from the command line; there are other packages that provide GUI frontends for it |
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| 04:15.15 | Dominicus | What is the most appropriate channel to ask about building a new system? I have questions about memory timings. And if I should avoid anything when choosing parts other than ATI video boards. |
| 04:15.42 | Dominicus | I of course want to run Debian on it. (Of course.) |
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| 04:19.06 | kc8pxy | Dominicus: why avoid ati board? |
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| 04:25.36 | Dominicus | kc8pxy: Because they have notoriusly been slower to release their video drivers for them, and for their lack if integrated glx support (requires more effort to get it going, if even possible). |
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| 04:26.12 | Dominicus | kc8pxy: That's why I stick with Nvidia based video boards. |
| 04:26.36 | phorce1 | fresh install of Lenny. I'd like to resize a couple of poor partion size choices. Are the tools on the install/rescue CD? |
| 04:28.32 | kc8pxy | ok.. ive been hopeful since they both opensourced the drivers. |
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| 04:29.36 | jair | hello guys. I am running debian lenny 5.0.2 32bit linux os and I have bind9 installed on it. When I try to restart or start the server I get this error message = Stopping domain name service...: bind9rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
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| 04:30.27 | jair | have anyone seen this? I am checking on google and all I find is people talking about a bug |
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| 04:38.15 | JJOliver | Hey guys. I have the latest install of Lenny and was wondering how I go about setting it up to get the time a date from t'tinternet as my computer seems to think it's 1980. |
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| 04:38.37 | stew | JJOliver: install the ntp package |
| 04:39.12 | JJOliver | okay . . . |
| 04:39.14 | JJOliver | thanks |
| 04:39.16 | stew | JJOliver: you might want to set the date to be at least close first, like: date -s 'Tue Aug 12, 2009' |
| 04:39.19 | stew | or whatever |
| 04:39.23 | stew | put a time in there if you want |
| 04:40.06 | JJOliver | Hrm, just realised I've not synched my mirror recently, I'll do that first, not that that'll change much. |
| 04:40.18 | topgun21 | Could i pleas have some C++ programming help? |
| 04:40.40 | stew | topgun21: tried ##c++ ? |
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| 04:42.41 | JJOliver | Is NTP bandwidth intensive? |
| 04:43.41 | dondelelcaro | JJOliver: not really |
| 04:43.43 | stew | no, it sends and receives a single 80 or so byte packet in each direction periodically |
| 04:44.55 | JJOliver | okay |
| 04:45.06 | JJOliver | Oh, and it's already worked. |
| 04:45.08 | JJOliver | ... |
| 04:45.15 | JJOliver | I thought I'd need to change something. |
| 04:45.19 | JJOliver | (-: |
| 04:45.32 | JJOliver | cheers 'GO team debian!' |
| 04:45.43 | stew | :) |
| 04:46.59 | JJOliver | was having problems whereby my emails were going to the bottom of people inbox because well, it was 29 years old . . . apparently. |
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| 04:47.04 | jair | stew: do you run bind at all? |
| 04:47.08 | stew | jair: yes |
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| 04:47.28 | JJOliver | thank |
| 04:47.29 | JJOliver | s |
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| 04:47.37 | jair | I am getting a weird annoying error |
| 04:47.57 | jair | Aug 10 23:56:41 chidns1 named[4219]: none:0: open: /etc/bind/rndc.key: permission denied |
| 04:48.00 | jair | Aug 10 23:56:41 chidns1 named[4219]: couldn't add command channel 127.0.0.1#953: permission denied |
| 04:49.03 | jair | I wonder if this is just a matter of adjusting the permition on that .db file... or this is something else |
| 04:49.31 | stew | jair: /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian discusses this |
| 04:49.32 | jair | whenever I try to restart the service I get this => Stopping domain name service...: bind9rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
| 04:49.36 | jair | ok |
| 04:53.03 | jair | stew: interesting it say something about removing the rndc file but this is the stable version that comes with Lenny :( |
| 04:53.28 | stew | jair: yes, i've just done this recently on the stable version |
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| 04:54.14 | jair | interesting. I will try that then |
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| 04:57.41 | jair | stew: thank you but what you are telling me is not really helpful, I respect if you don't really know what the problem is, I do not have any of those files or entries the README file is talking about |
| 04:57.59 | jair | I will ask in #bind |
| 04:58.02 | jair | thank you sir |
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| 05:21.51 | ajavid | is enjoying a fresh brank spanking new stable setup |
| 05:21.57 | ajavid | brand* |
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| 05:28.34 | KnG | password: |
| 05:28.34 | KnG | Server refused to allocate pty |
| 05:28.34 | KnG | stdin: is not a tty |
| 05:28.37 | KnG | any can help me ? |
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| 05:35.48 | ajavid | alright, I just figured a problem. When using firefox/shiretoko 3.5.3 in stable, it doesn't work properly and it doesn't use any of the debian plugins like sun-java6-plugin or flashplayer-mozilla etc. and if you install iceweasel, it causes a problem in system as system shortcuts are set to run icewease in /usr/lib/icewease/iceweasel so I unpacked firefox3.5 to ~/bin/firefox/ and mv a backup of the iceweasel script, ln -s to ... |
| 05:35.54 | ajavid | ... ~/bin/firefox/firefox script and name it iceweasel so now no matter what app in the system anywhere starts iceweasel, 3.5 starts up |
| 05:35.57 | ajavid | whooey |
| 05:36.26 | ajavid | so this way, firefox 3.5.3pre uses all the debian packaged browser plugins and isn't 3.0.6 |
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| 05:37.14 | ajavid | and if you don't install iceweasel, firefox 3.5 wll not pickup the debian installed plugins |
| 05:37.38 | ajavid | so that was the problem, seems even experimental has only 3.5.1 |
| 05:37.45 | ajavid | not even in sid yet |
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| 05:47.45 | craigevil | ajavid: i just do ln -s /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins /home/craig/Downloads/firefox/plugins that way the iceweasel plugins are linked to firefox |
| 05:48.08 | ajavid | yes |
| 05:48.21 | ajavid | but then another problem arises, "there is already another copy of firefox running" |
| 05:48.36 | ajavid | as the system calls icewease, not the firefox you unpacked where ever you packed it |
| 05:48.38 | craigevil | no i can start firefox and iceweasel at the same time |
| 05:48.44 | ajavid | even using -P with diff profiles will not work |
| 05:48.51 | ajavid | thats BS. |
| 05:48.59 | craigevil | i created a Firefox.desktop |
| 05:49.10 | ajavid | iceweasel uses firefox-bin just as firefox uses firefox-bin |
| 05:49.31 | ajavid | it greps for the process, and if 'firefox' exists it will not launch, but give this error |
| 05:49.34 | craigevil | Exec=/home/craig/Downloads/firefox/firefox %u |
| 05:49.56 | craigevil | i dont move Firefox i just leave it in my home where i extracted itr |
| 05:49.59 | craigevil | it* |
| 05:49.59 | ajavid | craigevil, you are not understanding me, but its ok, I posted a solution earlier to help anyoen else |
| 05:50.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | can /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates be rebuilt? my /var/ filesystem has been corrupted :/ |
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| 05:50.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | (it is a chroot, so worst case i blow it away and start again) |
| 05:51.20 | craigevil | ajavid: i have all the same plugins and java recently updated both have the same version, but yeah i havent changed any apps so they call Firefox rather than iceweasel |
| 05:51.41 | ajavid | you mean they call iceweasel rather than firefox |
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| 05:51.49 | myself | what are commands to type to get unicode fonts |
| 05:51.53 | myself | from the repository or w/e |
| 05:51.57 | ajavid | debian defautls to iceweasel unless you tell it otherwise |
| 05:51.57 | myself | i want like all da unicode fonts |
| 05:52.08 | craigevil | other than iceweasel only being 3.5.1 and firefox 3.5.2 my profiles are the same |
| 05:52.18 | ajavid | craigevil, uhm |
| 05:52.29 | ajavid | craigevil, you failed to probably see where I mentioned stable, 3.0.6 vs 3.5.1 |
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| 05:52.36 | craigevil | yes any app that calls /firefox/iceweasel launches iceweasel other than thunderbird |
| 05:52.40 | ajavid | iceweasel 3.0.6 vs firefox/shiretoko 3.5.3 |
| 05:52.48 | ajavid | thunderbird? |
| 05:52.53 | ajavid | we're going in circles! |
| 05:53.08 | craigevil | no i gave up on iceweasel/icedove |
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| 05:53.36 | craigevil | but yeah i see where your coming from, yet another reason to run sid and not stable |
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| 05:53.43 | ajavid | what! |
| 05:53.47 | ajavid | you nutso :) |
| 05:53.51 | ajavid | stable FTW! |
| 05:54.15 | craigevil | ajavid: my sid install is a bit over 5 yrs dold, i installed it when srage was first released |
| 05:54.21 | craigevil | old* |
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| 05:54.55 | ajavid | 7 years here on a laptop! |
| 05:55.04 | craigevil | only big difference now is i wa a big kde fan but kde4 sucks, so i switched to lxde |
| 05:55.15 | ajavid | there were 2 of them, but one I accidentally logged into while I was in oklahoma a few years ago |
| 05:55.27 | ajavid | so after 3 years of sid boom! gone |
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| 05:55.36 | kc8pxy | i still don't have dav access via gnome to my apache server on debian lenny.. anyone free to troubleshoot? |
| 05:56.10 | ajavid | craigevil, are you going to work on the debian apt configurator? |
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| 05:56.22 | ajavid | craigevil, for apt.conf |
| 05:56.23 | craigevil | the one in the debian forums? |
| 05:56.28 | ajavid | yes |
| 05:56.46 | ajavid | I'm down with it |
| 05:56.48 | craigevil | did he ever get around to posting the python script he was going to use |
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| 05:57.07 | ajavid | I don't think so, but its not hard |
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| 05:58.52 | binarystar | does anyone know? "i have a one server. can i monitor each mrtg per domins"? |
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| 06:02.37 | craigevil | ajavid: looks like he built it> http://harishankar.org/software/qaptan.php |
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| 06:02.39 | craigevil | too bad he did it with QT and not gtk |
| 06:02.46 | kc8pxy | how do i add a user to a group? |
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| 06:03.00 | ajavid | what |
| 06:03.00 | obnauticus | pw usermod -G <group> -u user |
| 06:03.01 | obnauticus | i think |
| 06:03.03 | kc8pxy | i want to add my user to the www-data group. |
| 06:03.05 | ajavid | I fucking loath gtk |
| 06:03.05 | obnauticus | that may be bsd though |
| 06:03.05 | kc8pxy | kk |
| 06:03.21 | ajavid | I'm getting sick of gtk, mostly cuz its crappy container system |
| 06:03.23 | obnauticus | kc8pxy on linux it is just usermod |
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| 06:03.44 | kc8pxy | obnauticus: not on my gentoo system. |
| 06:03.45 | KidneyBeans | lol gtk works better in windows than linux :p :p |
| 06:03.45 | ajavid | I mostly feel like this because I suck horribly at glade/gazpacho (gtk GUI design) |
| 06:03.47 | craigevil | ajavid: i run lxde all of my apps other than k3b, smplayer and opera are gtk apps |
| 06:03.58 | obnauticus | kc8pxy dunno then |
| 06:03.58 | obnauticus | XD |
| 06:04.04 | obnauticus | i forgot what it was on gentoo |
| 06:04.12 | omid8bimo | how can i give ssh connection to just connect but disbale shell access? |
| 06:04.13 | ajavid | I am now thinking, if to adopt Qt or Gtk |
| 06:04.16 | kc8pxy | obnauticus: but i was asking about debian. :) |
| 06:04.19 | ajavid | pyqt or pygtk/kiwi |
| 06:04.23 | ajavid | thats the real question |
| 06:04.23 | obnauticus | Does anyone here know the default device name for your microphoe with alsa? |
| 06:04.35 | omid8bimo | ajavid: pygtk works awesome :) |
| 06:04.50 | ajavid | I am partial to Qt though (KDE guy) |
| 06:05.56 | ajavid | btw, have you ever tried to build Gtk interfaces |
| 06:05.58 | ajavid | ? |
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| 06:06.04 | ajavid | it is a pain in the ass. |
| 06:06.07 | atilathehun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.25 | ajavid | atilathehun, uhm... monodevelop |
| 06:06.34 | atilathehun | console please |
| 06:06.37 | ajavid | by autocode you mean autocompletion/syntax completion |
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| 06:06.41 | ajavid | atilathehun, emacs ? |
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| 06:06.56 | ajavid | atilathehun, vim with c# scripts? maybe I dunno, I only used gtk# for a app thats it |
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| 06:07.20 | atilathehun | mmm oks... thanks |
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| 06:10.35 | ajavid | wie is daar |
| 06:10.37 | ajavid | !? |
| 06:10.39 | ajavid | doh |
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| 06:14.34 | kc8pxy | how do i set all the files in a tree to 775 without botching the directories? |
| 06:15.26 | KidneyBeans | right-click ? |
| 06:15.38 | kc8pxy | KidneyBeans: ??? |
| 06:16.00 | obnauticus | kc8pxy ./dir/* |
| 06:16.02 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.14 | stew | kc8pxy: find /top/directory -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 775 |
| 06:16.28 | KnG | how i can install libs of 32 bits ? |
| 06:16.42 | ajavid | find . -type f -exec chmod 755 {} \; |
| 06:16.49 | KidneyBeans | stew u sure that you dont spend too much time on this chatroom? |
| 06:16.51 | ajavid | something |
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| 06:17.12 | ajavid | that is when in top level dir |
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| 06:18.25 | ajavid | or 775 or whatever you want |
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| 06:20.57 | ajavid | KnG, ia32-libs |
| 06:21.43 | ajavid | !wayttd KnG |
| 06:21.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, KnG? |
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| 06:23.45 | nexis | has anyone experenced problems with perl durring a recent dist-upgrade on testing? |
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| 06:51.04 | daya_ | I have leeny iso image, Can I install directly from it without burning it in CD , I mean saving in Harddrive |
| 06:51.11 | daya_ | lenny |
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| 06:51.54 | abchirk | daya_, no.. but do you have windows or another linux? |
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| 06:52.02 | JJOliver | Hi my lenny machine put up a triangular ! in the top right of my screen. It says I have updates but when I check it says no updates? |
| 06:52.22 | abchirk | actually... but if you would have another Linux you could use debootstrap, but maybe not if you're unexpierenced with basic packets. |
| 06:52.23 | daya_ | abchirk, I do have another system in it |
| 06:52.46 | abchirk | daya_, then try debootstrap... but install as much basic packages you can in the chroot then |
| 06:53.34 | daya_ | abchirk, is there is any option such as install from harddisk as in Fedora while I boot debian |
| 06:53.48 | abchirk | hu? |
| 06:54.12 | abchirk | you can install a debian from your harddrive (fedora) yes? |
| 06:54.39 | stew | daya_: yes, you can install from a hard disk, its covered in the install guide, /msg dpkg ig |
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| 06:56.04 | deever | anyone here who already did an 802.1X eap-tls wired setup with hostapd? |
| 06:56.07 | ajavid | daya_, its called hd-media install |
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| 07:00.21 | daya_ | actually I have one DVD iso file and a USB disk, is there is any way to install in my new laptop (No OS) |
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| 07:03.18 | daya_ | ajavid, shall I pass hd-media option as argument during boot |
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| 07:04.54 | ajavid | daya_, do you wanna maybe read the install guide? |
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| 07:05.20 | daya_ | ajavid, ohh, sure |
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| 07:12.58 | KnG | radio@servidor:~$ ./sc_serv |
| 07:12.59 | KnG | bash: ./sc_serv: No such file or directory |
| 07:13.09 | KnG | why ai cant ejecute ? |
| 07:15.10 | streuner__ | because that file doesnt exist? |
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| 07:15.29 | KnG | exist |
| 07:15.35 | KnG | and have perms |
| 07:15.38 | streuner__ | ls -l <file> |
| 07:15.46 | KnG | -rwxrwxrwx 1 radio radio 137088 Feb 28 2007 sc_serv |
| 07:16.16 | streuner__ | show us the whole way to this file |
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| 07:16.45 | streuner__ | /etc/init.d/sc_serv? |
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| 07:16.56 | streuner__ | prolly not, that sound like shoudcast :-) |
| 07:17.00 | streuner__ | +s |
| 07:17.22 | KnG | /home/radio/sc_serv |
| 07:17.36 | KnG | yeah its shoutcast |
| 07:18.24 | streuner__ | ok, just run "/home/radio/sc_serv" then :-) |
| 07:18.45 | KnG | bash: /home/radio/sc_serv: No such file or directory |
| 07:19.23 | streuner__ | raises his eyebrow |
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| 07:19.46 | streuner__ | KnG: what kind of FS do you use? |
| 07:20.14 | KnG | FS? file system? |
| 07:20.20 | streuner__ | yep |
| 07:20.25 | KnG | ext3 |
| 07:21.08 | streuner__ | well, i would just fsck the FS then, not sure |
| 07:21.58 | streuner__ | man fsck.ext3 |
| 07:22.14 | KnG | WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause |
| 07:22.15 | KnG | SEVERE filesystem damage. |
| 07:23.19 | streuner__ | Note that in general it is not safe to run e2fsck on mounted filesystem. Out of the man-page, so just read it! :-) |
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| 07:24.49 | KnG | streuner__ what its the package to install 32 bit libs |
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| 07:25.11 | streuner__ | huh |
| 07:25.22 | streuner__ | (thats a subject change) :-) |
| 07:26.04 | KnG | im use 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 |
| 07:26.27 | streuner__ | well, the tools for that are acutally not available in Debian |
| 07:26.37 | streuner__ | ia32-apt-get |
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| 07:44.35 | kroddn|afk | wie kann man denn bei BASH in ner FOR-Schleife ein Interval von 1 bis 2000 angeben lassen? |
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| 07:45.17 | streuner__ | kroddn|afk: please in english and just /j #bash :-) |
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| 07:46.34 | kroddn|afk | o sorry |
| 07:46.38 | kroddn|afk | wrong channel |
| 07:46.58 | kroddn|afk | How can I create an interval e.g. from 1 to 2000 with BASH in a for statement? |
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| 07:47.22 | kroddn|afk | i mena something like "for ID in 1..2000; do ... done" |
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| 07:47.27 | cast | {1..2000} |
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| 07:47.47 | cast | but do what streuner__ said. |
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| 07:50.19 | g00se | kroddn|afk: man seq |
| 07:52.10 | g00se | or for((i=0;i<10;i++));do echo $i; done |
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| 07:53.05 | flourish | a question when boot to system: my debian lenny system is originally one scsi drive: /dev/sda, and after add another sata drive, the scsi drive change to /dev/sdb and the sata is /dev/sda; but when boot the system, it hangs and give the infos: Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount .. resume: ligcrypt version:1.4.1 |
| 07:53.43 | flourish | it says cannot resume from /dev/sdb2, which is the swap |
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| 07:54.14 | natur | flourish, edit grub settings to change it :) |
| 07:54.29 | flourish | eacho time i need to press "Enter" to continue booting |
| 07:55.34 | g00se | flourish: .. and then it boots properly? |
| 07:55.38 | flourish | natur: it seems very strange. the grub is now install in (hd1,0), that is /dev/sdb1, but for the grub, i must set the root to (hd0,0), otherwise, i cannot boot either |
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| 07:56.11 | flourish | root(hd1,0) |
| 07:56.20 | flourish | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sdb1 ro |
| 07:56.32 | flourish | sorry, root (hd0,0) |
| 07:56.44 | natur | flourish, hmm and you bios settings? |
| 07:56.57 | flourish | natur: what do you mean? |
| 07:57.33 | flourish | i want to know why there is a resume ? |
| 07:57.35 | g00se | flourish: If you need press Enter and then it boots properly then you're already booting with the right disk probably |
| 07:57.46 | flourish | g00se: yes |
| 07:58.15 | g00se | flourish: Is that what's happening then? |
| 07:59.09 | flourish | g00se: after pressing "Enter", everything is ok. |
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| 07:59.42 | natur | flourish, connecting the drive has changed the order? |
| 08:00.05 | flourish | natur: yes, the original sda now change to sdb |
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| 08:00.59 | flourish | and when choosing the grub menu lists, it seems the sata drive doesn't be recognized |
| 08:01.23 | flourish | so the root at that moment i must define as root (hd0,0) |
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| 08:01.35 | flourish | and kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sdb1 ro |
| 08:02.00 | flourish | what does the resume do? |
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| 08:02.32 | cast | what resume? |
| 08:02.33 | natur | flourish, try to replace discs order |
| 08:02.46 | flourish | natur: in bios? |
| 08:02.48 | g00se | flourish: If 'everything is OK' then the boot disk spec is correct |
| 08:03.25 | flourish | g00se: maybe, but each time i need to press "Enter" manual, so i cannot reboot the system with remote ssh control |
| 08:03.35 | natur | flourish, no, on you mainboard |
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| 08:05.01 | flourish | natur: :-( it seems a little difficult; the scsi is a raid and sata is connected with an external sata pci card |
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| 08:06.04 | flourish | cast: when boot it gives a message: Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount .. resume: ligcrypt version:1.4.1 |
| 08:06.06 | g00se | flourish: That script afaics, is run prior to mounting fss |
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| 08:06.32 | flourish | cast: when boot it gives a message: Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount .. resume: ligcrypt version:1.4.1 Cannot resume from /dev/sdb2, ... press "Enter" to contine |
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| 08:07.31 | flourish | g00se: which script? |
| 08:08.01 | g00se | flourish: It may think there is, or ought to be, as resume image on that partition |
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| 08:08.37 | g00se | flourish: I meant what looks like a resume script |
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| 08:10.14 | flourish | g00se: maybe, but before i never heard about the resume, hum, i need to reboot my notebook to see the sitatution |
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| 08:11.25 | g00se | flourish: So is /dev/sdb2 on the 'new' disk? |
| 08:11.29 | flourish | btw, does uuid help |
| 08:11.37 | flourish | g00se: no, is on the old disk |
| 08:12.03 | flourish | the old disk change from sda to sdb now |
| 08:13.53 | flourish | well, how can i see the booting message? |
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| 08:16.31 | eject_ck | Hi all, I'm trying to install stable on HP DL360 G5p server. After booting installer from CD I'm getting error message that this CD can`t be used for installation :) |
| 08:17.06 | cast | annoying. i'd boot a livecd and use debootstrap |
| 08:17.23 | g00se | flourish: I've got to go now, but, yes, using uuids should clarify things at least. See http://hubpages.com/hub/Finding-UUIDs-numbers |
| 08:17.55 | eject_ck | I'm using amd64 dvd |
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| 08:20.08 | flourish | g00se: thanks :-) |
| 08:20.50 | cast | eject_ck: presumably that does have a cpu with amd64 compat. instructions? |
| 08:22.10 | eject_ck | cast: pardon. |
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| 08:22.44 | cast | EM64T, i believe intel may call it. AMD calls it AMD64 |
| 08:23.10 | eject_ck | it' s Quad core Xeons |
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| 08:23.37 | eject_ck | and I'm sure that it's EM64T |
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| 08:25.00 | n0de | hey, im having issues with dual nic setup, is there a guide or someone could help? |
| 08:25.02 | n0de | thx |
| 08:25.48 | nsadmin | you have to say what your issues are, in detail, in an informative way, this would be you actually volunteering information |
| 08:26.30 | cast | nsadmin: uh...what problem? |
| 08:26.32 | cast | n0de, sorry |
| 08:26.41 | cast | nsadmin: the other n guy. |
| 08:26.54 | nsadmin | np :) |
| 08:27.21 | nsadmin | the other n dude is not responding |
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| 08:28.24 | n0de | sorry, I have 2 nics, setup with two static ips in network/interfaces and ifconfig shows that both have ip and packet movement. suddenly one stops working, and then when i restart networking, all net connections to the box stop working.. |
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| 08:28.57 | cast | so what triggered one to stop working? |
| 08:29.03 | n0de | random? |
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| 08:29.07 | nsadmin | waht's the purpose of each nic? |
| 08:29.08 | n0de | i have no idea |
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| 08:30.35 | n0de | oh 1 is for lan and one is for wan |
| 08:30.37 | cast | well then. investigate what happened, check logs around the time things stopped working, check route output, |
| 08:30.53 | cast | check iptables rules, |
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| 08:31.14 | n0de | ok, is there a specific log for networking? |
| 08:31.35 | cast | don't think so |
| 08:31.52 | nsadmin | do the subnets on the two nics overlap? |
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| 08:33.14 | n0de | would you like to see the interfaces file? |
| 08:33.23 | nsadmin | sure |
| 08:33.49 | nsadmin | in fact that would be helpful to all three of us |
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| 08:34.04 | n0de | ok give me a sec |
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| 08:34.23 | aleeexfranci | hellO! |
| 08:34.30 | aleeexfranci | i have upgraded on my stable debian |
| 08:34.36 | aleeexfranci | and now fluxbox doesn't work anymore |
| 08:34.40 | aleeexfranci | this is the error: |
| 08:34.41 | aleeexfranci | http://nopaste.org/p/abDYnS1iH |
| 08:34.45 | aleeexfranci | can anybody help me? |
| 08:35.16 | cast | yes, you have a problem and it involves the enter key. |
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| 08:35.52 | cast | are you starting X as root? |
| 08:36.13 | aleeexfranci | cast, the problem persists even with users... |
| 08:36.52 | n0de | http://pastebin.com/d7e14ed |
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| 08:37.01 | n0de | here u go guys |
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| 08:37.49 | karme | is there a simple app in debian to create ssl certificate requests suitable for end users? |
| 08:38.16 | cast | openssl i imagine |
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| 08:38.59 | fireba11 | karme: what is a certificate request suitable for end users? |
| 08:39.03 | the-dude | karme: tinyca |
| 08:39.03 | karme | cast: hmm yes - but i am looking for a front-end, preferably with gui and ideally |
| 08:39.28 | karme | the-dude: i use tinyca for ca stuff - but the end user does not have to create a ca |
| 08:39.38 | fireba11 | karme: a web gui would be really easy to make |
| 08:39.50 | cast | could just double click a 1 line script |
| 08:39.55 | karme | fireba11: end user should create his private key himself |
| 08:40.05 | fireba11 | karme: and locally. |
| 08:40.18 | karme | cast: thats what i will do if there is nothing like that |
| 08:40.37 | karme | cast: maybe just shell+zenity+openssl |
| 08:40.52 | n0de | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/d7e14ed thx :) |
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| 08:41.09 | cast | since you're going to have to sign||get a copy of clients public key, wouldn't it be easiest to generate them yourself and give them the private ky |
| 08:41.28 | karme | cast: it would defeat the point in private |
| 08:41.31 | cast | rather than them generate, then come visit you, they come visit you and you generate |
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| 08:41.57 | karme | cast: they generate the private key - send me the certifificate request by mail - i phone them to check the fingerprint |
| 08:42.19 | cast | ahh. ok, sounds good :) |
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| 08:43.21 | cast | last company i noticed did it the way i was suggesting, you turned up with ID, as the company CA was trusted it didn't defeat the point |
| 08:44.21 | karme | cast: hmm yes - you are right |
| 08:45.18 | karme | cast: but i do it for friends - and the point then is to transmit the private key securely |
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| 08:46.11 | karme | cast: and i just want them to create their privte key themself :-) |
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| 08:46.46 | the-dude | karme: tinyca can create any certificate , including requests |
| 08:47.10 | karme | the-dude: but you first have to create a ca i think? |
| 08:47.34 | the-dude | only once |
| 08:47.52 | karme | the-dude: yes - but the clients should not have to create a ca |
| 08:48.26 | karme | the-dude: and i guess they would still be overwhelmed by tinyca :-) |
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| 08:49.18 | karme | i really think this should be the job of something like searhorse - or if not central at least the browsers/mail clients should be able to do that |
| 08:49.21 | the-dude | they don't have to, you jsut add it once.... the rest is up 2 them |
| 08:50.14 | karme | because in the next step they will have to tell the browser, mua, openvpn where they have their cert |
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| 08:51.20 | karme | i guess it is just too much for those people i have in mind |
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| 08:52.06 | karme | the-dude: can i add the ca cert without private key to tinyca? |
| 08:52.20 | mnzt42yd | hi can someone help with a basic question (im new ) ... whats recommended swap file size for a system with 2gb ram or is swap not needed |
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| 08:53.12 | karme | mnzt42yd: swap is not strictly needed except you want to suspend to disk |
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| 08:54.11 | the-dude | karme: yeah just create a ca once, and your users will be able to create new certificates |
| 08:54.16 | cast | i haven't used swap on my desktop for about 5 years |
| 08:54.34 | karme | the-dude: ah you mean a dummy ca? |
| 08:54.35 | the-dude | needs swap for his alix board |
| 08:54.48 | mandarin | The server did a reboot, have no idea what could be the cause ,either it did it by itself or by manually ,how do i check ? |
| 08:54.50 | petemc | mnzt42yd: its not a bad idea to have swap there in case it ever is needed, a gig or 2 isnt much with the size of disks now |
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| 08:55.13 | mandarin | i found /var/log/message, it says Aug 11 16:16:32 server kernel: klogd 1.4.1#18, log source = /proc/kmsg started. |
| 08:55.15 | the-dude | karme: if your creating your own certifcates what does it mather if it is a dummy :) |
| 08:55.21 | karme | mnzt42yd: swap also gives you some time to react if you run out of memory |
| 08:55.57 | karme | the-dude: yes i see - but it is not exactly what i am looking for ;-) |
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| 08:57.01 | mandarin | then following that line there are bunch of messages look like dmesg's. |
| 08:57.18 | the-dude | karme: what are you looking for then :S |
| 08:57.18 | cast | swap, for when you want those secrets written out to disk. |
| 08:57.18 | mandarin | how can i tell what could be the cause,who did the reboot. |
| 08:57.52 | mnzt42yd | ok cool thanks for your time so better to have some than none |
| 08:57.58 | karme | mandarin: that message is after the reboot right? |
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| 09:00.43 | mandarin | karme, here http://pastebin.ca/1524825 |
| 09:00.58 | kraut | moin |
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| 09:01.03 | mandarin | it started from Aug 11 16:16:32 server syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart. |
| 09:01.03 | mandarin | Aug 11 16:16:32 server kernel: klogd 1.4.1#18, log source = /proc/kmsg started. |
| 09:01.37 | karme | mandarin: you are interested in what happened before that |
| 09:02.09 | karme | mandarin: maybe |
| 09:02.16 | mandarin | karme, before that ,there were those lines Aug 11 15:51:11 server -- MARK --. |
| 09:02.49 | mandarin | all were server -- MARK -- texts. |
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| 09:03.10 | mandarin | karme, could that be a manual reboot ? |
| 09:03.18 | karme | mandarin: maybe syslog did not manage to write the message to disk before the crash? |
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| 09:04.44 | mandarin | karme, you mean it could be the crash that lead to an automatically reboot ? |
| 09:04.45 | karme | mandarin: on a clean shutdown i have a line like "Kernel logging (proc) stopped." in my syslog |
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| 09:05.58 | betz | Hey everyone! |
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| 09:07.03 | karme | mandarin: maybe the "last" command helps? |
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| 09:07.29 | karme | mandarin: last -x |
| 09:08.45 | taras | performs etch->lenny update |
| 09:08.59 | mandarin | karme, i found those 2 lines . runlevel (to lvl 2) 2.6.24-etchnhalf Tue Aug 11 16:16 - 17:08 (00:51) |
| 09:09.00 | mandarin | reboot system boot 2.6.24-etchnhalf Tue Aug 11 16:16 - 17:08 (00:51) |
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| 09:12.11 | karme | mandarin: a clean shutdown should be "to lvl 0" or a reboot "to lvl 6" - i think |
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| 09:12.26 | mosgreg | hi |
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| 09:12.34 | betz | I'm looking for a good backup solution. Anyone hints? |
| 09:12.38 | karme | mandarin: "to lvl 2" is just after a boot |
| 09:12.46 | mandarin | hmm |
| 09:13.08 | karme | mandarin: but after a crash i think you should see a crash line in the output of "last" - afaik |
| 09:13.26 | mosgreg | I have a problem .. I just upgraded .. and have been asked if dash should be used (probbaly instead) of bash .. so I said yes ... and it failed then. dpkg stopped working totally .. /bin /sh is broken |
| 09:13.48 | mosgreg | bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 09:14.02 | mandarin | karme, i ran last -x |
| 09:14.09 | mandarin | last -x | grep crash |
| 09:14.12 | mandarin | i found nothing. |
| 09:14.32 | karme | mandarin: maybe paste the output? (if it does not contain "sensitive" information) |
| 09:14.53 | mandarin | karme, last -x ? |
| 09:14.57 | karme | mandarin: yes |
| 09:16.16 | mandarin | karme, to be honest, there are nothing else , the reboot did happen at 16:16 , the logo tells the same. |
| 09:16.40 | mandarin | karme, the log only indicates that two lines which are related to it . |
| 09:17.22 | mandarin | karme, something interesting is, from last -x, i can see users' ftp record. |
| 09:17.39 | karme | mandarin: do you have a entry like: runlevel (to lvl 0) or runlevel (to lvl 6) before "shutdown system down" and "reboot system boot" ? |
| 09:18.17 | eject_ck | does anybody know how install stable on server with p400i SmartArray controller (SAS)? |
| 09:18.21 | mandarin | karme, i checked it many times, no such line but all were the users' ftp records right before that two lines. |
| 09:18.41 | mandarin | karme, that two lines look like: runlevel (to lvl 2) 2.6.24-etchnhalf Tue Aug 11 16:16 - 17:15 (00:58) |
| 09:18.42 | mandarin | reboot system boot 2.6.24-etchnhalf Tue Aug 11 16:16 - 17:15 (00:58) |
| 09:19.14 | mandarin | karme, before that, the server was running ,the log only recorded users' ftp actions. |
| 09:19.30 | karme | mandarin: i would suspect a crash then |
| 09:19.53 | mandarin | karme, username ftpd ip, but interesting is, why one of the users used ip 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:20.12 | mandarin | other users all have a real public ip was recorded there. |
| 09:21.16 | mandarin | karme, I see. maybe it is hardware problem i am not sure. |
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| 09:22.00 | mandarin | karme, a week ago , it has experiended a "freeze" on the server and was solved from a reboot by the datacentre. |
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| 09:29.05 | eject_ck | cast: what live cd you can suggest to use ? |
| 09:29.47 | cast | debian has one, but whatever you want. grml is good, has debootstrap installed. |
| 09:29.48 | eject_ck | cast: is it ok http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-cd/debian-live-501-amd64-standard.iso ? |
| 09:30.55 | mandarin | karme, i have gotten the system upgraded just now, received email says imagemagich holes may lead to Dos (crash) to the system,let us see if it will be fixed. |
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| 09:31.07 | mandarin | karme, Thank you for your helps. |
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| 09:32.09 | cast | eject_ck: nfi. |
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| 09:32.35 | Shtl | which package to install for openoffice ODBC driver? |
| 09:34.24 | eject_ck | cast: :( |
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| 09:35.14 | alinux | hi is there a limit on the number of dashes and or characters in a subdomain I created this joomla-webside-ekstrastor.webkonsepter.com but it is not working |
| 09:35.41 | petemc | alinux: that should be fine |
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| 09:44.13 | stix | Hi guys. Where is the libtermcap package? I read, that I had to install termcap-compat but that cannot be found either. |
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| 10:00.06 | EugenMayer | hello is the Zend Gdata included in some package? |
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| 10:22.02 | babilen | hi, how can i delete the last line from a huge file? |
| 10:23.33 | Stian1979 | Any one out there that can help me finding keykodes? all traditional ways won't work |
| 10:24.06 | babilen | Stian1979: xev does not work? |
| 10:25.05 | Stian1979 | babilen: xev dos not work, keytouch find moust, but 3-4 is missing |
| 10:26.28 | Stian1979 | babilen: xev dos get they keycodes for the ones keytouch finds |
| 10:28.26 | cast | babilen: vim file<enter>Gddzz |
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| 10:32.12 | babilen | cast: that will not work because the file is way too large. (23G) |
| 10:33.03 | cast | babilen: neat, try it |
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| 10:33.21 | cast | babilen: you can always kill vim if it doesn't work |
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| 10:36.10 | cast | babilen: it work? |
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| 10:37.17 | g00se | babilen: lc=$(wc -l thefile | cut -d' ' -f 1);head -n $(($lc -1)) thefile >thenewfile |
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| 10:37.38 | g00se | thinks there's probably a better way with sed/awk |
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| 10:38.57 | cast | g00se: would be nice to A: not read 23GB, and B: not write 23GB |
| 10:39.14 | g00se | Definitely |
| 10:39.55 | cast | hmm, since filesize is just an inode entry isn't it |
| 10:40.24 | babilen | Stian1979: do you mean that xev does report the keycodes for all keys except "3" and "4"? |
| 10:40.25 | g00se | cast: Probably seek EOF, seek back to first \n. |
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| 10:41.08 | cast | how do you make the current point the new EOF? |
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| 10:41.23 | babilen | g00se: that was the only idea i got as well. i really don't want to copy all lines except the last one... |
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| 10:41.57 | cast | babilen: so what did vim do? *suspects 32bit vim just won't open it* |
| 10:42.06 | babilen | cast: and it does not work with vim, as vim tries to map the whole file to memory AFAIK |
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| 10:42.33 | taras | "Package vorbisfile was not found in the pkg-config search path." - what package do I need? there are only libvorbisfile and no -dev package? |
| 10:42.40 | cast | palms face |
| 10:42.57 | Stian1979 | babilen: xev reports for all ecept 3 or 4 keys. |
| 10:43.03 | babilen | cast: i stopped the whole process after waiting for 5 min.. |
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| 10:43.36 | cast | babilen: wonder what it was doing, |
| 10:43.37 | babilen | Stian1979: and we are talking about the "normal" number keys above your "qwert....." ? |
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| 10:44.29 | babilen | cast: i will investigate it further. i think that backup files and syntax highlighting might be a problem as well with such a large file |
| 10:44.34 | g00se | babilen: http://my.safaribooksonline.com/0596003137/perlckbk2-CHP-8-SECT-10 |
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| 10:44.55 | babilen | cast: but as i said... i think that vim maps the whole file to memory... |
| 10:45.11 | cast | ahh, awesome |
| 10:45.11 | cast | ftruncate() |
| 10:45.21 | cast | ftruncate (2) - truncate a file to a specified length |
| 10:45.58 | cast | babilen: i'd run out of memory a lot faster than in 5 minutes, but i suppose my computers are setup differently |
| 10:46.23 | babilen | cast: hmm... looks promising. i'll have a look at that. |
| 10:46.32 | cast | babilen: i was thinking, if vim were smart enough it wouldn't try to map the whole file...*if* |
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| 10:47.02 | babilen | cast: that would be a sane default... |
| 10:47.29 | babilen | cast: i'll investigate vim + gigabyte sized files later :-) |
| 10:48.55 | g00se | Using ftruncate would require you know the offset of the last newline |
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| 10:49.33 | cast | he can fseek as you mentioned |
| 10:49.42 | cast | scan backwards, but its probably the last char |
| 10:51.00 | Stian1979 | babilen: hotkeys fn+f1 reports keykode fn+f2 don't fn+del don't fn+ins not shure, and there is a putton for changing powerconfiguration(powersave/performance/presentation) + multimediaplayer launcher button |
| 10:51.45 | babilen | g00se: i just hoped that i did not have to write a program for that |
| 10:52.01 | babilen | but i might if there is no other way to handle that. |
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| 10:52.56 | babilen | i mean i could think of quite a few ways to copy that file without the last line, but that it not what i am after |
| 10:53.45 | g00se | babilen: afaik, bash doesn't support random access, which is what you need to avoid massive inefficiency |
| 10:54.13 | babilen | g00se: yeah. it really looks like i have to write a small script programm for that.. |
| 10:55.15 | cast | would be fast enough to do |
| 10:55.24 | cast | use tail prior to work out what length to ftrunicate to |
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| 10:56.16 | cast | hmm, truncate()* |
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| 11:00.31 | cast | http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?/topic/60044-shell-command-to-truncate-a-file-solved/ oh, someone made a command out of it |
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| 11:06.04 | petemc | bullgard4: ask #ubuntu |
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| 11:11.15 | babilen | cast: truncate seems to do the trick. Guess i should *really* study all tools in coreutils |
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| 11:18.32 | linhis | i want to create a subdomain for my already added domain |
| 11:18.42 | linhis | say i want to have m.linhis.com |
| 11:18.50 | linhis | >will adding a vhost to sites-available in apache2 do the trick |
| 11:18.54 | linhis | ?? |
| 11:18.59 | cast | ??? |
| 11:19.09 | ikanobori | linhis: You also need a DNS record for the subdomain pointing to the server you will be hosting it on. |
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| 11:19.13 | ikanobori | s/server/IP. |
| 11:19.24 | ikanobori | And then, a vhost will do. |
| 11:19.29 | linhis | for the subdomain also?? |
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| 11:19.33 | ikanobori | Yes. |
| 11:19.40 | ikanobori | Or did you make a 'catchall' DNS? |
| 11:19.42 | linhis | i already have dns record for the main domain |
| 11:19.49 | ikanobori | Yes. Now add one for the subdomain. |
| 11:19.53 | linhis | k coool |
| 11:19.55 | ikanobori | CNAME it to the main domain. |
| 11:19.58 | digifor | I have a Bandluxe C270 usb 3g modem working in debian lenny using wvdial. |
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| 11:20.25 | digifor | This document is related to fedora but explains the modem well: http://www.zadako.sk/download/bandrich/BandLuxe_Fedora_10_Setup.pdf |
| 11:20.36 | linhis | ikanobori: cname it to the main domain ?? |
| 11:20.43 | ikanobori | Yes. Make it a cname record. |
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| 11:21.03 | digifor | Is there a way to use the texting capability of the c270 with debian ? |
| 11:21.06 | linhis | as linhis.com for m.linhis.com |
| 11:21.08 | linhis | ?? |
| 11:21.10 | linhis | right?? |
| 11:21.22 | ikanobori | "A CNAME record maps an alias or nickname to the real or Canonical name which may lie outside the current zone. Canonical means expected or real name." |
| 11:21.42 | ikanobori | linhis.com IN A x.x.x. |
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| 11:21.48 | Zvpun | how can I move amarok to destkop 4 when gnome starts? |
| 11:21.51 | ikanobori | m IN CNAME linhis.com |
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| 11:22.39 | abrotman | Zvpun: pretty sure gnome has a way to save the current session |
| 11:22.49 | ikanobori | linhis: That way, when you move your server to your new IP, you only have to change the A-record for linhis.com. |
| 11:22.50 | digifor | Zvpun, rightclick move to another workspace > |
| 11:23.09 | Zvpun | abrotman: some windows are saved and restored on relogin but amarok is not. |
| 11:23.15 | Zvpun | digifor: I want it automatically done. |
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| 11:24.08 | abrotman | digifor: pg num? |
| 11:24.33 | linhis | ikanobori: Aliases to inside my cname must be m.linhis.com, rite?? |
| 11:24.45 | ikanobori | linhis: I do not understand that sentence. |
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| 11:25.04 | ikanobori | linhis: Make: m.linhis.com IN CNAME linhis.com. |
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| 11:25.20 | linhis | there is "Aliases to" option inside cname record |
| 11:26.03 | linhis | oh! So i dont need to create a dns domain for m.linhis.com |
| 11:26.04 | ikanobori | What software are you using to control it? |
| 11:26.12 | digifor | abrotman, sorry that just shows how to connect with linux. |
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| 11:26.24 | digifor | looking at this though http://tensixtyone.com/perma/howto-send-sms-using-a-huawei-e160g-and-debian |
| 11:26.24 | abrotman | maybe he should be asking #dns ? |
| 11:26.30 | ikanobori | abrotman: Maybe. |
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| 11:27.03 | linhis | i am using dns manager in linode |
| 11:27.36 | abrotman | so .. he's not even running Debian .. awesome |
| 11:27.48 | abrotman | digifor: it seems to tell you exactly how to do it? |
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| 11:29.17 | digifor | I just found it. apting now. its a different modem but similar enough I think |
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| 11:33.54 | linhis | i added m as the cname for linhis.com |
| 11:34.03 | linhis | still m.linhis.com doesnt work |
| 11:34.07 | abrotman | linhis: are you running Debian? |
| 11:34.11 | linhis | yaa |
| 11:34.45 | abrotman | linhis: did you increment your zone serial ? |
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| 11:34.57 | abrotman | did you query your dns server directly ? |
| 11:35.13 | linhis | nslookup?? |
| 11:36.45 | linhis | abrotman: how to increment your zone serial?? why should i do it?? |
| 11:36.52 | shamrock | following an accident with removing packages, suddenly an Xresource font of mine is not picked up. where can I find Font `-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal-*-12-100-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1' or how do I reset my fontcache to include it? |
| 11:37.41 | abrotman | linhis: maybe you should be asking #dns |
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| 11:42.16 | iateadonut | anyone ever hear of a terminal not taking the letter 'e'? |
| 11:42.46 | iateadonut | for example: gstreamer-properties - if i cut-paste that, it shows up in the terminal as: gstramr-proprtis |
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| 11:43.49 | iateadonut | nano will take an 'e', though, so it's not terminal based programs. |
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| 11:53.38 | lvh | iateadonut: Try in bc. |
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| 11:53.52 | magesing | Hi everyone I recently installed wicd which un-installed network-manager and it's dependancies. After the install I was no-longer able to make new Xterms in my xmonad session, and after re-starting my X server I can no-longer get into a fluxbox or xmonad session. I can startx and get to an X session with nothing running but I can't start a display manager. I checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log and there are no errors. |
| 11:53.54 | lvh | iateadonut: (I've had someone a few days ago where the letter b didn't work, that was a libreadline problem) |
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| 11:55.46 | ttr | regarding package building: how can I ensure that specific files installed into /etc/ have particular file permissions (e.g., 600)? |
| 11:55.46 | ttr | is there some helper I need to use? |
| 11:55.47 | ttr | debhelper, that is. |
| 11:56.10 | bzed | magesing: whatever you did, it was not a fault of wicd :) |
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| 12:02.03 | magesing | bzed: I figued as much, however, all I did was install wicd through aptitude |
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| 12:02.27 | bzed | aptitude is weird |
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| 12:02.32 | magesing | bzed: I think what happened is that the un-install of network-manger un-installed something it shouldn't have |
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| 12:02.57 | bzed | you probably instlalled large parts of xorg or so together with network manager, so aptitude thought it would be good to remove it... |
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| 12:03.11 | bzed | and wicd doesn't need xorg.. |
| 12:03.33 | magesing | bzed: x-org is still there, I can start an xsession, I just don't get a display manager |
| 12:04.19 | abrotman | a DM or a DE ? |
| 12:04.25 | abrotman | or WM |
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| 12:05.36 | magesing | abrotman: whatever you call fluxbox, xmonad, and the like |
| 12:05.45 | abrotman | Window Manager, WM |
| 12:05.58 | magesing | WM then, I can start an X session, but my WM won't start |
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| 12:06.12 | abrotman | magesing: aptitude install xorg fluxbox xmonad .. does it try to install anything ? |
| 12:06.24 | magesing | abrotman: I re-installed/updated both of them |
| 12:06.29 | magesing | abrotman: same problem |
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| 12:06.53 | magesing | what should I put in my ~/.xsession to start twm? |
| 12:07.27 | abrotman | i'd guess /usr/bin/twm .. but i odn't use it |
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| 12:09.18 | magesing | is ~/.xsession the correct file to modify to tell XDM which WM to start? |
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| 12:10.23 | abrotman | !.xsession |
| 12:10.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 12:11.34 | magesing | abrotman: I'm working in PTYs only here, so web-sites are hard to navigate unfortunately |
| 12:11.54 | abrotman | magesing: you don't need to read it .. the bot told you enough |
| 12:12.03 | magesing | abrotman: yup, thanks ;) |
| 12:12.13 | abrotman | !.xinitrc |
| 12:12.13 | dpkg | somebody said .xinitrc was actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. .xinitrc is discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
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| 12:15.05 | magesing | ok... I can't start twm either. when I startx my session starts, the screen flashes black a few times, then I get the `X' shaped cursor on a houndstooth background... How can I figure out what is going wrong here? |
| 12:15.19 | abrotman | magesing: look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 12:16.19 | abrotman | stew: psys ^^^ |
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| 12:16.45 | magesing | (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x32 |
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| 12:16.57 | magesing | there are no (EE) lines in my Xorg.0.log |
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| 12:17.45 | magesing | I'm not sure if I was getting the AIGLX warnings before... but I'm not trying to use compiz and the like anyhow.. . |
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| 12:18.16 | starenka | hi, where's X setting stored anyway? cant find it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (blank file) |
| 12:18.48 | abrotman | starenka: that's normal now .. X figures it out via hardware probing |
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| 12:19.18 | starenka | abrotman: hmm, but i got really nasty slow scrolling while using compiz |
| 12:19.30 | starenka | found a tweak, but cant find xorg donfig :D |
| 12:19.34 | binB4SH | Hi I downloaded file source tgz file from http://labs.gree.jp/Top/OpenSource/Flare/Document/Installation-en.html and it includes a package Directory with scripts for debian package creation |
| 12:19.35 | starenka | s/donfig/config |
| 12:19.40 | abrotman | starenka: so create one |
| 12:19.45 | binB4SH | but how to create a package now out of this? |
| 12:19.52 | starenka | abrotman: it will use it? |
| 12:19.58 | abrotman | !mg |
| 12:19.58 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) "www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 12:20.00 | starenka | abrotman: so no problem than |
| 12:20.07 | abrotman | starenka: i didn't think so! :) |
| 12:20.39 | starenka | abrotman: ok, simply put, what should i edit to change something oldskool style (xorg.conf) ? :D |
| 12:21.03 | abrotman | starenka: you can use 'X -configure' to generate an xorg.conf |
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| 12:21.09 | starenka | ty |
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| 12:21.47 | starenka | abrotman: is it the same as dpkg-recon. xserver-xorg? |
| 12:22.03 | starenka | abrotman: as this didnt generate anything |
| 12:22.05 | starenka | :D |
| 12:22.09 | starenka | (i'm on lenny) |
| 12:22.17 | abrotman | starenka: no, not the same |
| 12:22.26 | Po0ky | is there a way to get sqlite3 support for mod_authn_dbd on a stable (lenny) apache install? |
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| 12:24.44 | icedwater | Hey guys, is there anything I can do to get my sound input working for Skype on Debian Lenny? |
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| 12:25.07 | icedwater | I suspect it's due at least in part to the absence of a proper Lenny package,, |
| 12:25.09 | icedwater | .. |
| 12:25.43 | cast | skype, being proprietary, isn't part of the debian OS |
| 12:25.51 | abrotman | icedwater: it may use OSS .. see about loading the Alsa OSS emulation stuff |
| 12:26.11 | icedwater | cast: I know that. |
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| 12:26.30 | icedwater | abrotman: So I just ask dpkg about alsa oss emulation, I guess. |
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| 12:26.47 | abrotman | like snd_pcm_oss IIRC |
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| 12:27.18 | icedwater | dpkg wants to know if it's larger than a breadbox. |
| 12:27.18 | dpkg | wish i knew, icedwater |
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| 12:27.23 | icedwater | Lol. |
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| 12:37.58 | icedwater | abrotman: Checked with DPKG, apparently modprobe snd-pcm-oss is the command to use but the package is called snd_pcm_oss. |
| 12:38.18 | abrotman | icedwater: i said that awhile ago .. (and either should work) |
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| 12:46.58 | abrotman | icedwater: did that help ? |
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| 12:48.35 | icedwater | abrotman: Yup, tinkered with alsamixer a bit, I think a few channels needed to be configured. And the module loaded. That's probably what was missing before. |
| 12:48.45 | icedwater | I'll try unloading the module and then recording again. |
| 12:49.34 | icedwater | Also, I noticed in alsamixer that the input channel was set to a device different from what I had expected. |
| 12:49.46 | icedwater | So I changed that. |
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| 12:52.18 | planet8 | I am currently running testing on my desktop. Does there exist some unofficial repos for KDE because its really messed up in testing? |
| 12:52.50 | abrotman | planet8: i doubt it .. that's part of running testing, things break, sometimes badly |
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| 12:53.00 | abrotman | planet8: have you checked the BTS? |
| 12:53.24 | planet8 | abrotman, yes I know, but I didn't expect it to that bad :-) Whats BTS? |
| 12:53.29 | abrotman | !bts |
| 12:53.29 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 12:53.43 | abrotman | planet8: also make sure no packages are being held back |
| 12:54.19 | planet8 | abrotman, thanks. Ah, BTS I didn't know that acronym ;-) |
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| 12:57.06 | riot | is there a good alternative for apt-proxy? Mine doesn't work anymore :/ |
| 12:57.08 | ubantu_dude | Abrotman why are you being so mean and hostile? |
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| 12:57.20 | zinx | troll day? |
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| 12:57.36 | icedwater | No, Tuesday. |
| 12:57.42 | zinx | permasunday. |
| 12:57.45 | riot | its trollurday! |
| 12:57.50 | icedwater | In which language does Tues mean troll? |
| 12:57.59 | riot | icedwater: lets devise one. |
| 12:58.10 | zinx | i don't know what you're talking about. it's sunday in #debian. |
| 12:58.14 | riot | hm. whattf is wrong with my apt-proxy.. |
| 12:58.25 | riot | thing just stalls out upon apt-get update |
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| 13:00.05 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 13:00.35 | riot | maybe cleaning out its storage helps.. |
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| 13:01.17 | riot | Loook! it works :) |
| 13:01.21 | riot | stupid apt-proxy. |
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| 13:04.44 | cr3rzemjest | in debian graphical installer (at least the one in late 2008 version dvd) it is possible to format indexed ext3 partition as "standard","news", 'largefile', 'largefile2'... i don't remember exatcly the numbers, but in general, what are the pros and cons of 'largefile' partition? does it mean a 10kb text file takes 1mb of space? and e.g. 123.5mb is 124 mb etc? what are the pros and cons... |
| 13:04.46 | cr3rzemjest | ...of that? |
| 13:04.50 | ubantu_dude | hey guys |
| 13:05.17 | solexx_ | cr3rzemjest: I think you already got it |
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| 13:05.35 | ubantu_dude | abrotman whats the deal with your buddy beardy or whatever? |
| 13:05.48 | martint | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:07.12 | solexx | cr3rzemjest: larger bloack size wastes more space, but is more efficient. smaller block sizes waste less space, but you risk running out of inodes (df -i) before your filesystem is completely filled |
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| 13:08.05 | cr3rzemjest | solexx: "more efficient" = faster? |
| 13:08.09 | riot | ok, at least MY apt-proxy is officially B0RKED |
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| 13:08.35 | ubantu_dude | Well dont bother asking abrotman for help, he is all butt hurt today and acting like a little girl. |
| 13:09.00 | riot | ubantu_dude: go troll around somewhere else. You're not even mildly annoying. BORING. |
| 13:09.22 | ubantu_dude | O man you really hurt my feelings |
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| 13:11.28 | lvh_ | riot: There's gotta be one op awake. stew, azeem... |
| 13:11.42 | stew | lvh_: yes, I'm awake |
| 13:11.44 | abrotman | i'm here |
| 13:11.53 | lvh_ | Oh. Sorry for pinging you. |
| 13:12.12 | ubantu_dude | stew and abrotman are my best buddies |
| 13:12.30 | riot | lvh_: what for? Being op doesn't fix the stupid apt-proxy ;) seems unmaintained. It was throwing twisted-warnings for at least 6 months and now it finally fscked up :/ |
| 13:12.30 | lvh_ | Really. |
| 13:12.41 | lvh_ | Ah, we were waiting for a K-line :-) |
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| 13:12.45 | cr3rzemjest | ok so how do i switch back to "standard" ext3? i've installed debian yesterday and i chose 1 big partition to be 'largefile' for large files :P but unfortunately there aren't any options for doing this in gparted? |
| 13:12.51 | asg | riot: I've found approx to be a useful replacement |
| 13:13.06 | riot | drastic measures. Feeding the troll some heavyK(tm) |
| 13:13.14 | riot | asg: ok, i shall try that one. |
| 13:13.41 | asg | cr3rzemjest: tune2fs |
| 13:13.56 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, in order to check the megaraid_sas status of an array under Lenny, there is no option than using MegaCLI ? (I don't like installing non Debian apps, so I'm trying to get rid of them) |
| 13:14.11 | cr3rzemjest | asg: thx. |
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| 13:15.13 | riot | approx even says: "I'm a replacement for apt-proxy :D" hmm |
| 13:15.36 | asg | riot: I'm supporting over 150 machines with it so it should suffice for most needs |
| 13:15.59 | riot | asg: oh, that sounds good. i'm just using 5 :) |
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| 13:16.14 | anoobisa | Can one extract tar files directly into a directory? |
| 13:16.15 | riot | shit, can't install. apt-proxy in the way *bg* |
| 13:16.19 | riot | lol |
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| 13:17.13 | anoobisa | lets say I got a .tar file with lib/example.so in it, can I extract example.so directly into my local /lib dir? |
| 13:17.16 | riot | wow, serious troll is serious. |
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| 13:17.59 | riot | anoobisa: you can, but I'd choose /usr/local/lib, if i'm not mistaken. |
| 13:18.23 | anoobisa | riot that was just an example, how would you do that |
| 13:18.38 | anoobisa | I have checked man pages and tut pages etc can't find it |
| 13:18.51 | anoobisa | or the options are to umbigious |
| 13:19.01 | riot | aah, you're asking about tar... hm |
| 13:19.24 | anoobisa | riot yep tar |
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| 13:21.02 | cr3rzemjest | also, what are reserved blocks for? i understand windows reserves space for 'trashed' files, but in linux? root reserved space, or reserver blocks? |
| 13:21.19 | abrotman | root reserved .. in case your user fills up the drive |
| 13:21.22 | asg | cr3rzemjest: reserved for root to use if the filesystem fills up |
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| 13:22.49 | Dominicus | Can anyone here with an NVidia SLI setup tell me if SLI works under Debian? |
| 13:23.09 | abrotman | wouldn't that depend on the binary nvidia driver? |
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| 13:24.02 | Dominicus | abrotman: Yes, and Nvidia relesed support for it in 2005, but I wanted to find out from someone who's already done it. Just in case there were other pieces that needed to be implented, say in the xorg stuff, to make it work. |
| 13:24.06 | riot | anoobisa: hmm, haven't done that yet, extracting only selected files.. |
| 13:24.22 | riot | anoobisa: i guess there's a wildcard-parameter for that |
| 13:25.16 | anoobisa | riot any idea what it could be |
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| 13:26.08 | abrotman | Dominicus: #nvidia might be a better place to ask .. or check the wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 13:27.07 | abrotman | Dominicus: though i don't see anything in the wiki |
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| 13:28.01 | billybigrigger | hey all |
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| 13:28.18 | cr3rzemjest | asg: so, tune2 -O ^large_file on partition, run e2fsck and everything should work? i dont have to format or anything? |
| 13:28.39 | riot | asg: is there a nice way to tell approx where to store the cache? My /var isn |
| 13:28.46 | billybigrigger | i downloaded the mini.iso for lenny, and extracted the iso to a 4gb ext3 partition on my flash drive, when i boot to the usb disk, i get Grub Error 17 |
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| 13:28.57 | riot | 't large enough for that much data.. (sry for crlf) |
| 13:29.09 | billybigrigger | i take it this isn't supposed to happen, and is it even possible with the mini.iso to create a LiveUSB system? |
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| 13:29.47 | beardy | billybigrigger: Not the way to do it. Write the iso raw to your USB stick. It will destroy any existing partition(s), be aware. |
| 13:30.10 | billybigrigger | beardy, and that's all? |
| 13:30.21 | beardy | billybigrigger: Yes. Then you boot it. |
| 13:30.29 | billybigrigger | simple enough :) |
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| 13:31.12 | billybigrigger | beardy, what do i use to raw write to usb? |
| 13:31.20 | billybigrigger | sorry, i've never had to do it :( |
| 13:31.23 | beardy | billybigrigger: What OS do you have to work on? |
| 13:31.32 | billybigrigger | ubuntu karmic |
| 13:31.43 | beardy | billybigrigger: Then you use dd. |
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| 13:32.41 | billybigrigger | cat name_of_iso.iso > /dev/XXX will not work? |
| 13:33.07 | beardy | billybigrigger: Make sure that you are sure of the correct device name of your USB stick. |
| 13:33.27 | beardy | billybigrigger: It might, and it might not. Use dd. |
| 13:34.23 | beardy | billybigrigger: dd if=nameofiso.iso of=/dev/USBSTICKDEVICE |
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| 13:35.27 | billybigrigger | yeah i got that part thanks :P |
| 13:35.32 | billybigrigger | man is my friend :) |
| 13:35.40 | beardy | Glad to hear that. |
| 13:35.41 | billybigrigger | helps if the usb stick is mounted first though! haha |
| 13:35.47 | beardy | No. |
| 13:35.53 | billybigrigger | no? |
| 13:35.54 | billybigrigger | ok |
| 13:35.54 | beardy | It can not be mounted.. |
| 13:36.14 | billybigrigger | well it wrote to it, when it was unmounted |
| 13:36.18 | beardy | billybigrigger: You write to the device, not it's partition. |
| 13:36.24 | billybigrigger | 16224+0 records in |
| 13:36.24 | billybigrigger | 16224+0 records out |
| 13:36.24 | billybigrigger | 8306688 bytes (8.3 MB) copied, 4.20644 s, 2.0 MB/s |
| 13:36.33 | beardy | Yes, but to what did you write? |
| 13:36.43 | abrotman | paper |
| 13:36.47 | billybigrigger | sudo dd if=mini.iso of=/dev/sde1 |
| 13:36.52 | billybigrigger | sde1 is the usb stick |
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| 13:37.07 | cire | is there any tool which can tell me what bios version I am running, without the need to reboot? |
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| 13:37.25 | beardy | billybigrigger: No, it is the sticks first partition. sde is the device that you should write to, unmounted. |
| 13:37.28 | billybigrigger | beardy, would it have written over the files that i copied via nautilus? |
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| 13:37.49 | abrotman | cire: maybe hwinfo or dmidcode |
| 13:37.53 | beardy | billybigrigger: Yes. That's why I said that any partition, and data, on it, will be lost. |
| 13:38.02 | billybigrigger | beardy, just making sure |
| 13:38.07 | abrotman | uh .. dmidecode |
| 13:38.25 | cire | thank you abrotman, I'll try those |
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| 13:39.12 | billybigrigger | beardy, does this look better? |
| 13:39.14 | billybigrigger | billybigrigger@cabo:~/debian$ sudo dd if=mini.iso of=/dev/sde |
| 13:39.14 | billybigrigger | 16224+0 records in |
| 13:39.14 | billybigrigger | 16224+0 records out |
| 13:39.14 | billybigrigger | 8306688 bytes (8.3 MB) copied, 4.21825 s, 2.0 MB/s |
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| 13:39.24 | cire | it worked, thanks again |
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| 13:39.27 | billybigrigger | sorry |
| 13:39.30 | beardy | billybigrigger: Yes. |
| 13:39.33 | billybigrigger | ok |
| 13:39.48 | billybigrigger | beardy, thanks a bunch :) |
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| 13:39.55 | beardy | billybigrigger: So now it should hopefully boot. Let me know if it does please :) |
| 13:40.00 | billybigrigger | k i will |
| 13:40.05 | billybigrigger | brb |
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| 13:44.23 | billybigrigger | beardy: no go |
| 13:44.36 | billybigrigger | Reboot and Select proper Boot device |
| 13:44.38 | TommyG | I'm having a problem, installing Sympa, with a non-local postgresql installation: http://paste.debian.net/43883/ It keeps failing with the message "Failed to determine UID for postgres user" |
| 13:44.53 | billybigrigger | or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key |
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| 13:45.36 | beardy | billybigrigger: Hmm, ok. How old is the machine? Do you have any "emulate CD-ROM" option in your BIOS, regarding the USB booting? |
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| 13:45.54 | billybigrigger | beardy: built this machine back in april |
| 13:46.25 | oliv3 | Hi, does anyone know of a package with a 'rules' file that runs 'configure' twice with different options, to build a library with and without debugging symbols ? |
| 13:46.29 | Leaderfox | hi guys who know why a ppp0 interface disppeared if i type ifconfig -a |
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| 13:47.42 | billybigrigger | beardy: ok i set emulation to cdrom |
| 13:48.11 | billybigrigger | and it just booted to ubuntu :( |
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| 13:48.29 | billybigrigger | beardy: should if fire up parted and remove the ext3 partition i created on it? |
| 13:48.41 | billybigrigger | beardy: and try again? |
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| 13:49.08 | beardy | billybigrigger: That partition shouldn't be there anymore though, as you write the ISO filesystem and partition table to the stick.. |
| 13:49.18 | beardy | billybigrigger: But, have a look at this http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
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| 13:49.41 | billybigrigger | beardy: your right, partition is gone |
| 13:50.13 | beardy | billybigrigger: Seems to be that some boxes handle that fine, an ISO written to the stick, but I guess some don't, and need it to act like a harddrive. Can't handle it pretending to be a cd. |
| 13:52.05 | valdyn | oliv3: apt-cache search "\-dbg" |
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| 13:52.49 | billybigrigger | beardy: i see why i wouldnt boot now |
| 13:53.00 | billybigrigger | beardy: emulation cdrom, you have to select it to boot from cdrom first :P |
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| 13:53.15 | Dassu | http://paste.servut.us/9k9g <- Any ideas ? |
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| 13:53.26 | Dassu | It has been copied by hand so typos can occur |
| 13:53.36 | valdyn | !any idea |
| 13:53.36 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little thermal paste, and a handful of starving platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 13:53.55 | Dassu | :-D |
| 13:54.02 | beardy | billybigrigger: http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb |
| 13:54.11 | beardy | billybigrigger: Oh.. |
| 13:54.11 | Dassu | valdyn: I love you guys <3 |
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| 13:54.45 | xoz | Dassu: hdc1? |
| 13:54.47 | Dassu | But seriously guys that stuff has been panicing for at least a week. I have compiled kernel for 6 times and nothing seems to be help. |
| 13:54.58 | oliv3 | valdyn: yeah thanks i know how to search packages :) |
| 13:55.02 | Dassu | xoz: ? partition 1 on hdc |
| 13:55.23 | xoz | Dassu: is that the correct location? |
| 13:55.27 | Dassu | xoz: yes it is. |
| 13:55.31 | oliv3 | i'm looking for an example of http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html (Sec 4.9) |
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| 13:55.49 | valdyn | oliv3: so look at any of those packages |
| 13:55.54 | justin | Dassu: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 13:55.58 | oliv3 | libc6-dev is way to complicated for an example |
| 13:56.04 | Dassu | justin: TuxOnIce support |
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| 13:56.09 | valdyn | Dassu: you forgot to compile in the ext3 filesystem driver? |
| 13:56.15 | billybigrigger | beardy: bah, i thought i had it :) no go, still just boots to ubuntu |
| 13:56.15 | Dassu | valdyn: no :P |
| 13:56.23 | billybigrigger | beardy: ill try that last link you gave me |
| 13:56.25 | oliv3 | valdyn: sure, i'll download the 4 billion packages and read all the rules files |
| 13:56.27 | oliv3 | ... |
| 13:56.36 | xoz | Dassu: but unknown block? maybe your initrd image has no driver for your filesystem |
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| 13:56.46 | CapitanFindus | hi |
| 13:56.54 | Dassu | xoz: there is no initrd and I will not use such a thing. |
| 13:56.57 | CapitanFindus | a good alternative to FF? |
| 13:56.59 | billybigrigger | beardy: how do i go about clearing the files that dd wrote? |
| 13:57.10 | xoz | Dassu: so make sure you compiled all the drivers for your filesystem |
| 13:57.17 | Dassu | RamDisk is only used to load modules on boot time so no need to use it with custom kernel if every required at boot time in IN the kernel. |
| 13:57.20 | valdyn | Dassu: show your root=foo option |
| 13:57.25 | Dassu | xoz: yes, I already made |
| 13:57.26 | justin | xoz: unknown block device has nothing to do with filesystems |
| 13:57.38 | valdyn | Dassu: it should be /dev/hdc1, not just hdc1 |
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| 13:58.00 | xoz | justin: what is it then? |
| 13:58.01 | beardy | billybigrigger: You just create new partitions, if you're trying with that link, and booting it like a USB-ZIP device. |
| 13:58.06 | Dassu | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26 root=/dev/hdc1 ro |
| 13:58.08 | justin | xoz: something related to block devices. |
| 13:58.14 | justin | hdc: UDMA/100 mode selected |
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| 13:58.16 | justin | he has that |
| 13:58.19 | justin | but is missing the line like |
| 13:58.22 | valdyn | Dassu: ok |
| 13:58.22 | Dassu | valdyn: . |
| 13:58.27 | CapitanFindus | a good alternative to FF? |
| 13:58.29 | justin | hdc: hdc1 |
| 13:59.20 | valdyn | Dassu: your paste seems to be lying |
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| 13:59.20 | beardy | billybigrigger: Then you can just mount and write to the partition. The files doesn't need to be cleared, they will be overwritten. (only if for security reasons you wanted to really clear them, you'd write the device full with zero:s, with dd) |
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| 13:59.35 | valdyn | Dassu: you can you capture scrolled off stuff anyway after the panic? |
| 13:59.45 | valdyn | *how* |
| 13:59.59 | billybigrigger | beardy: roger |
| 14:00.02 | Dassu | valdyn: I don't know... |
| 14:00.08 | Dassu | valdyn: I'm using VGA=794 |
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| 14:00.28 | valdyn | Dassu: so it all fits on one screen? |
| 14:00.44 | Dassu | valdyn: not all but those which are in the pastebin. |
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| 14:00.56 | Dassu | valdyn: no way I can get anythign out of that without a video camera. |
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| 14:01.05 | justin | Dassu: use a serial console |
| 14:01.17 | Dassu | >_< grr... |
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| 14:02.02 | Dassu | justin: what type of HW does that require ? |
| 14:02.22 | justin | Dassu: a serial cable |
| 14:02.22 | xoz | Dassu: use a rescue disk and install a working kernel first |
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| 14:03.16 | Dassu | xoz: Dude. I have a working kernel. |
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| 14:03.16 | valdyn | Dassu: maybe its really hdb1 |
| 14:03.16 | billybigrigger | beardy: on that last part, fsck.msdos /dev/sdd |
| 14:03.17 | valdyn | Dassu: or maybe your paste is lying |
| 14:03.17 | Dassu | valdyn: 2.6.26-1 is using hdc1 just fine |
| 14:03.17 | billybigrigger | i get a buttload of differences between boot sector and its backup |
| 14:03.17 | billybigrigger | is this fine you think? |
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| 14:03.29 | Dassu | valdyn: it is not HDB. |
| 14:03.45 | valdyn | Dassu: this is not a complex situation |
| 14:03.59 | Dassu | valdyn: that one I know because ST refers to the seagate which is not the system hard drive in this situation |
| 14:04.28 | valdyn | Dassu: maybe you forgot to compile in dos partition table support |
| 14:04.38 | Dassu | valdyn: no thte case :-\ |
| 14:04.44 | Dassu | enabled all partition tables |
| 14:04.50 | valdyn | Dassu: with M ? |
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| 14:05.19 | Dassu | M ? |
| 14:05.23 | valdyn | Dassu: ive asked you about all possiblities now i think |
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| 14:05.34 | valdyn | Dassu: one of those you answered wrongly |
| 14:06.07 | Dassu | valdyn. You can have my kernel config |
| 14:06.23 | justin | Dassu: just setup a serial console, then you can get the actual log |
| 14:06.40 | billybigrigger | beardy: getting closer!!! i got to the grub boot command, typed linux, and it started to load the kernel, i got to... usbhid: v2.6:USB HID core driver |
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| 14:06.44 | Dassu | *trap detected* |
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| 14:06.54 | billybigrigger | . /init: exec: line 20: /linuxrc: not found |
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| 14:07.08 | billybigrigger | beardy: then a kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init |
| 14:07.13 | justin | billybigrigger: wrong root partition? |
| 14:07.35 | billybigrigger | justin: installed to a usb drive |
| 14:07.51 | billybigrigger | justin: http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb |
| 14:07.58 | Dassu | http://paste.servut.us/1aoh valdyn |
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| 14:09.53 | justin | billybigrigger: oh.. those instructions might not work |
| 14:10.01 | billybigrigger | justin: :P |
| 14:10.05 | justin | billybigrigger: they seem to be for 'etch' but have you download the latest iso |
| 14:10.13 | billybigrigger | yeah |
| 14:10.15 | Dassu | justin: do you believe that usin LABEL instead of /dev/* could help ? |
| 14:10.23 | justin | Dassu: no |
| 14:10.26 | Dassu | :-\ |
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| 14:11.18 | justin | billybigrigger: try removing init=/linuxrc from the syslinux.cfg |
| 14:11.39 | billybigrigger | justin: k |
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| 14:12.12 | Stian1979 | Anyone able to tell me how to find my hotkeys |
| 14:12.33 | abrotman | they're on your keyboard? |
| 14:12.33 | justin | !wayttd Stian1979 |
| 14:12.33 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Stian1979? |
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| 14:13.40 | billybigrigger | justin: ummm...hah you should look at this, http://pastebin.ca/1525105 |
| 14:13.47 | billybigrigger | justin: does that look right to you? |
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| 14:16.00 | justin | billybigrigger: no |
| 14:16.35 | billybigrigger | justin: sudo mount /dev/sdd /mnt/usb worked fine |
| 14:16.44 | billybigrigger | edited syslinux.cfg and giving it a go now |
| 14:17.48 | billybigrigger | justin: bingo :P |
| 14:17.52 | billybigrigger | justin: thanks |
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| 14:18.06 | Stian1979 | dpkg: I'm trying to find the keykodes, but they are not generating anything |
| 14:18.06 | dpkg | Stian1979: what are you talking about? |
| 14:19.13 | Stian1979 | dpkg: xev and it's brothers are tryed, but none of them grep this hotkey's |
| 14:19.13 | dpkg | Stian1979: okay |
| 14:20.40 | SlayerXP | chaps, when PXE installing a server the installer is halting because it wants a "yes" or "no" confirmation to install a kernel package for which it doesn't have a gpg key (I don't know why). I can't enter "yes" or "no" in the installer, it's just a dialog stuck at 0%. how can I get this to continue? |
| 14:21.10 | justin | SlayerXP: check one of the other consoles maybe? |
| 14:21.48 | SlayerXP | yes, the other console shows the installer wanting me to enter "yes" or "no" to continue, but I get no prompt at which to type that |
| 14:22.24 | justin | SlayerXP: well, killing the thing asking the question will instick it, dunno what it will do once you do that though |
| 14:23.38 | SlayerXP | well it won't install a kernel for me :) |
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| 14:24.06 | SlayerXP | the kernel being the thing it's asking me to confirm it's okay to proceed on :) |
| 14:24.28 | justin | SlayerXP: yeah.. the reason why you get that is because you are using an old installer that doesnt have the new archive key |
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| 14:25.14 | abrotman | there's an option for that ... hrm |
| 14:25.24 | SlayerXP | justin: I'm using http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz |
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| 14:26.02 | justin | SlayerXP: weird, wonder if those need to be updated |
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| 14:26.47 | abrotman | what's the date on them? |
| 14:26.47 | justin | SlayerXP: well, you should be able to install the package for the kernel manually.. or get the newer gpg key installed first and then have the installer install the kernel... |
| 14:26.57 | justin | abrotman: 6/25 |
| 14:27.34 | SlayerXP | justin: I slightly need this to be automatic. I'll try the testingnetboot.tar.gz instead, I need testing for this series of servers anyway |
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| 14:34.49 | ajavid | good freakin morning! |
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| 14:49.03 | za3tout | hello |
| 14:50.29 | za3tout | How we can add a bookmarks of firefox without graphic mode |
| 14:51.02 | za3tout | destribution debian of course |
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| 14:51.32 | JPT | za3tout: i'll check out the .mozilla directory...one sec pls :) |
| 14:52.02 | za3tout | i saw it |
| 14:52.36 | za3tout | there is a file bookmarks.bak |
| 14:52.39 | JPT | /home/jp/.mozilla/firefox/scc2uqx4.default/bookmarks.html |
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| 14:52.46 | JPT | yeah...both exist.. |
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| 14:52.55 | JPT | i think it's the html you need to edit |
| 14:53.07 | za3tout | i modify it but it didnt work |
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| 14:53.30 | za3tout | i mean the .bak |
| 14:53.32 | JPT | hmm |
| 14:53.37 | JPT | *.bak => backup |
| 14:53.45 | JPT | how about the .html? |
| 14:53.47 | JPT | tries |
| 14:54.33 | JPT | hm |
| 14:54.35 | JPT | bad.. |
| 14:55.05 | JyZyXEL | what is the initial ramdisk? |
| 14:55.26 | za3tout | i will try to modify .html |
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| 15:17.27 | ajavid | initrd |
| 15:17.29 | ajavid | !initrd |
| 15:17.29 | dpkg | hmm... initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 15:18.13 | `Abo | how can I find out what process is running and using for example 10.0.0.1:80 ? |
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| 15:19.02 | beardy | !wiui `Abo and why use a backtick in a nick |
| 15:19.02 | dpkg | `Abo and why use a backtick in a nick: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 15:19.14 | `Abo | I cannot start apache, I havent modified anything I just restarted and I get: Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...httpd (no pid file) not running (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 10.0.0.1:80 no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs |
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| 15:19.17 | `Abo | ok beardy |
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| 15:19.43 | stew | Abo: "netstat -pnt" as root |
| 15:19.59 | stew | maybe -pant? |
| 15:20.07 | stew | i can never keep all the netstat options straight |
| 15:20.22 | beardy | Curly pants. |
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| 15:21.14 | Abo | got it |
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| 15:22.25 | stew | well i know that you must always try to spell things with netstat options. one shouldn't use -lpan or -npa when they could use -plant or -plan or -nap or -tuna |
| 15:22.43 | beardy | :) |
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| 15:26.01 | Evet | I configured my computer with this commands > http://pastebin.com/d5469b685 < now, i want to remove that configures. How can I do? |
| 15:26.04 | fxiny | i have a cookbook of nice sounding netstat recipe : tulpen lopetu plutn nputa, and so on :P |
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| 15:27.50 | manuel1 | hi! someone is having libc6 problems in squeeze too? |
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| 15:29.17 | m92 | Hello |
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| 15:29.46 | m92 | I am trying to install nvidia drivers in debian gnome, but the installer doesn't finish the build |
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| 15:30.39 | m92 | It says ERROR: UNable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. |
| 15:30.45 | m92 | Anyone can help please? |
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| 15:45.37 | Python1320 | $ dmesg | grep PM | grep Port ----> ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x4e8 |
| 15:45.37 | Python1320 | $ ./pmtmr_test 0x4e8 ----> ./pmtmr_test: Invalid port address: 0x4e8 |
| 15:45.40 | Python1320 | hmmm? |
| 15:45.41 | WormFood | anyone have any suggestions as to a good mp3 to cd converter (that will burn an audio cd directly from the mp3s)? Of course, I can always turn the MP3s into wav files, and burn the wav files, but want it more automated (and thought I remember seeing a package that would do that, but can't remember for sure now) |
| 15:46.00 | jl_ | has anyone successfully installed from source Varnish 2.0.4 on Lenny (amd64)? |
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| 15:50.20 | WormFood | mp3burn, mp3cd, and mp3roaster <-- anyone have any suggestions, as to which is the better of the three? |
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| 15:53.17 | WormFood | NOBODY has a suggestion?!? |
| 15:53.29 | petemc | try them all |
| 15:53.42 | petemc | then decide which you like best |
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| 15:53.46 | petemc | use that one |
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| 15:55.01 | tawan | !google why does aptitude show updates that apt does not? |
| 15:55.14 | blue_ | I seem to have been locked out of my Gnome desktop. It was locked, but the screensaver was not visible, I couldn't interact with it, but I also didn't get an unlock dialog. |
| 15:55.15 | WormFood | that is what I'm having to do...I was just hoping someone else has experience with them, that could give me a suggestion. |
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| 15:55.41 | Mephisteus | Is upgrading to lenny recommended in light of security updates? |
| 15:55.58 | blue_ | I killed gnome-screensaver as root, but now I can only interact with the top window via the keyboard, my cursor moves around, but has no effect. |
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| 15:56.11 | blue_ | any ideas short of completely killing the session? |
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| 15:57.30 | tawan | /etc/init.d/gdm restart maybe blue_ |
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| 15:58.34 | znh | Hello |
| 15:58.35 | blue_ | tawan: won't that restart x and kill everything running under it? |
| 15:58.53 | znh | I'm trying to get my Audigy 2 working under Debian lenny amd64. No luck yet. Any idea's? |
| 15:59.10 | tawan | blue_, no it does not mention x |
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| 16:00.20 | blue_ | I thought x wass running under gdm |
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| 16:05.15 | blue_ | /etc/init.d/gdm restart didn't kill x, but it spawned a new x server without fixing anything |
| 16:05.22 | qop | How do I fix this usb dongle? it stopped working after being used at a public pc. Here is the dmesg: http://pastebin.be:80/20284 |
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| 16:07.25 | blue_ | This seems like a very serious bug... I wish I knew how to track down the cause |
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| 16:08.01 | blue_ | for a desktop user, the system may as well have just crashed entirely |
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| 16:08.17 | qop | blue_: stop X then run gdm and see if gdm is set to startx |
| 16:08.40 | blue_ | qop: I am not sure I understand |
| 16:09.04 | blue_ | I guess there isn't much left but to kill the session and restart it |
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| 16:10.43 | qop | blue_: kills X then run 'gdm' and see if gdm start X |
| 16:10.55 | qop | else run starx and there is the problem |
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| 16:13.32 | blue_ | of course it works when restarted, the problem is thatit effectively crashed the entire desktop session and lost anything that was running |
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| 16:14.02 | qop | that is another point |
| 16:14.16 | fat-lobyte | Hello, I have a Problem with NetworkManager/PolicyKit: After I set up a VPN Connection for all users, I cannot reconfigure it. When clicking the unlock button (for PolicyKit authentication I assume) nothing happens. |
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| 16:14.49 | g00se | blue_: Check out ~/.xsession-errors |
| 16:15.15 | qop | vpn connection cant be edited on the fly do they |
| 16:15.42 | fat-lobyte | qop: you mean I have to disconnect first? |
| 16:16.05 | qop | think so |
| 16:16.18 | MindCr | hi, how is the best way to install flash 32 in icewweasel 64? im in sid |
| 16:16.20 | fat-lobyte | I'll try that and come back |
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| 16:17.02 | qop | MindCr: you can install the 64 bits |
| 16:17.24 | MindCr | yes. but the other is best, i cant see some webs |
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| 16:17.43 | qop | from labs.adobe.com... otherwise you have to use nspluginswrapper |
| 16:17.59 | qop | wich is quite ugly... |
| 16:18.04 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 16:18.04 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 16:18.16 | qop | I use 64 bits in my lapy and have no issues |
| 16:18.21 | valdyn | 64-bit flash is in debian |
| 16:18.24 | MindCr | dor examble justin tv close de iceweasel with flash 64 |
| 16:18.25 | qop | with flash |
| 16:18.36 | MindCr | for example* |
| 16:18.55 | qop | goes check on his lap |
| 16:18.56 | qop | y |
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| 16:19.20 | valdyn | works perfectly fine here |
| 16:19.27 | valdyn | 64-bit flash, justin.tv |
| 16:19.28 | fat-lobyte | Nope, it doesnt make any difference wether I am connected or not. All the menus I can only access with administrator privilages (Buttons with Keys on them) still don't react |
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| 16:19.45 | valdyn | ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.7 |
| 16:19.51 | valdyn | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:19.52 | judd | valdyn: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.6 sid/contrib: 1:2.7 |
| 16:19.54 | fat-lobyte | is there a way to check something like a "PoliciKit log file" ? |
| 16:20.00 | MindCr | im install the 64 and the iceweasel crash when i open a video with flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 16:21.50 | coldboot | How do you see how much hard drive space a package is using? |
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| 16:22.04 | coldboot | du -chs $(dpkg -L package) ? |
| 16:22.06 | qop | MindCr: yup, working under 64 bits, though, not using iceweasel |
| 16:22.18 | qop | MindCr: tried another browser? |
| 16:22.43 | qop | verified IW is using adobe's flash? probably using open? |
| 16:23.20 | MindCr | no i didnt, im going to try other, yes i use adobe |
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| 16:26.01 | qop | I like open video :) |
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| 16:27.24 | qop | and not just for being open, my cpu likes it :) |
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| 16:28.00 | Maleko | actually is it possible to limit the download speed when fetching packages from repo? |
| 16:28.02 | MindCr | qob, the konqueror browser dont crash but the webtv is black and i cant watch it |
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| 16:28.49 | qop | konqui has problems with flash.. |
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| 16:28.59 | qop | mine doesnt load flash at all either |
| 16:29.15 | qop | I installed ff from mozilla |
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| 16:29.28 | qop | opera doesnt like flash either |
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| 16:29.41 | coldboot | How do you see how much space a package is using when installed? |
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| 16:30.22 | adama_ | coldboot: apt-cache show packagename will say |
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| 16:30.36 | MindCr | ok, thanks qop im going to try this |
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| 16:30.47 | qop | g luck |
| 16:30.51 | adama_ | coldboot: Installed-Size: |
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| 16:35.37 | fxiny | MindCr: are yoy running lenny ? |
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| 16:35.46 | MindCr | fxiny, sid |
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| 16:36.30 | omologos | hello |
| 16:37.08 | omologos | i want to install debian but i'm not sure which cd image i should download |
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| 16:37.15 | fxiny | MindCr: where did you get flash from ? |
| 16:37.19 | omologos | how can i find out? |
| 16:37.26 | omologos | flash? |
| 16:37.30 | JordiGH | aptitude full-upgrade is trying to remove gnome-network-manager due to a conflict with something else. I want it instead to removing the other conflicting package, not gnome-network-manager. How can I do the equivalent of full-upgrade from the UI and manually resolve this conflict the way I want to? |
| 16:37.34 | omologos | oh |
| 16:37.35 | MindCr | fxiny, from aptitude |
| 16:37.46 | omologos | ... |
| 16:37.48 | fxiny | MindCr: dmm ? |
| 16:38.17 | MindCr | aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:38.30 | MindCr | and this install the 64 bits flash |
| 16:38.32 | JordiGH | omologos: Do you know if you prefer Gnome or KDE or XFCE and what your computer architecture is? |
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| 16:38.47 | omologos | i prefer gnome |
| 16:38.54 | JordiGH | omologos: Do you know if you prefer security and stability or you want to try out fancy new things? |
| 16:39.02 | omologos | but i don't know my computer's architecture |
| 16:39.07 | omologos | humm |
| 16:39.10 | JordiGH | omologos: What processor are you using? |
| 16:39.12 | omologos | security for now |
| 16:39.19 | omologos | celeron duo? |
| 16:39.26 | omologos | celeron core duo? |
| 16:39.34 | omologos | was that a correct answer? |
| 16:39.49 | JordiGH | omologos: I think so. And I think that's a 64 bit processor. |
| 16:39.58 | omologos | right |
| 16:40.01 | omologos | ok |
| 16:40.10 | JordiGH | No, I think that's two different processors. What OS are you currently using? |
| 16:40.20 | omologos | ubuntu |
| 16:40.52 | JordiGH | omologos: grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 16:41.16 | JordiGH | omologos: Also, uname -r |
| 16:41.18 | Tommy\DO | is it possible to shrink physical lvm partitions (as shown in fdisk)? |
| 16:41.48 | omologos | one moment |
| 16:42.01 | MindCr | fxiny, this is the iceweasel error: (firefox-bin:19837): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead |
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| 16:42.30 | omologos | for the first one i get: model name: Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU T2350 @ 1.86GHz |
| 16:42.30 | omologos | model name: Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU T2350 @ 1.86GHz |
| 16:43.07 | omologos | for the second i get 2.6.24-18-generic |
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| 16:44.00 | nsadmin | you could run an amd64 kernel if you want to |
| 16:44.07 | JordiGH | omologos: That's a 64bit processor. |
| 16:44.36 | omologos | so should i download amd64 |
| 16:44.37 | omologos | ? |
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| 16:44.54 | nsadmin | you do have that choice |
| 16:44.56 | JordiGH | omologos: Anyways, sounds like you want this image: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-502-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 16:45.15 | abrotman | omologos: if it's for a desktop, probably easier to use i386 |
| 16:45.33 | JordiGH | omologos: It makes very little difference whether you use 32bit or 64bit... there are still a few apps that don't work well on 64bit, though. Zsnes is one of them. :-( |
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| 16:46.02 | omologos | abrotman: why so? |
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| 16:46.37 | abrotman | omologos: if you use any proprietary binary only software, they may not have an amd64 version, and sometimes getting it the 32bit version to work is a pain |
| 16:47.00 | abrotman | and as a desktop user, yu won't notice much of an improvement with 64bit vs 32bit |
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| 16:47.37 | omologos | i need some heavy numerical computations though |
| 16:47.56 | JordiGH | Ah, a man after my own heart. |
| 16:48.00 | JordiGH | omologos: Go with 64bit, then. |
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| 16:48.11 | omologos | ok |
| 16:48.15 | JordiGH | omologos: long doubles are larger in 64bit. :-) |
| 16:48.29 | nsadmin | what is the box for more generally? |
| 16:48.30 | abrotman | wonders why you'd do that on a desktop ... |
| 16:48.40 | omologos | thank you all |
| 16:48.47 | nsadmin | what is the box for more generally? |
| 16:49.12 | JordiGH | abrotman: Because you want a nice IDE for working as well as a powerful box for number crunching? |
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| 16:49.16 | omologos | abrotman: for fun |
| 16:49.27 | abrotman | yes .. an IDE for number crunching .. got it .. makes perfect sense |
| 16:49.42 | omologos | :) |
| 16:50.02 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's called ESS |
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| 16:50.19 | abrotman | to actually run them? |
| 16:50.24 | dondelelcaro | yes |
| 16:50.27 | dondelelcaro | !ess |
| 16:50.31 | JordiGH | abrotman: You're going to need a powerful coding environment, visualisation applications, debuggers and profilers, rapid development tools like numpy or Octave... |
| 16:50.35 | abrotman | so every machine that does the work runs the ESS ? |
| 16:50.52 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nah |
| 16:50.56 | abrotman | that's what i meant |
| 16:51.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: but it is an IDE for number crunching |
| 16:51.09 | omologos | JordiGH: is the non-net instalation too large? |
| 16:51.25 | abrotman | most of the stuff i've dealt with for number crunching-ish type stuff is MPI, and AFAIK, the nodes don't run an IDE |
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| 16:51.27 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: ess is emacs speaks statistics, an emacs mode for using R. Ask me about <r> |
| 16:51.27 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 16:51.38 | JordiGH | omologos: No, but it's nicer to get netinst and just download things as you need them, nicer on the Debian mirrors. It's even nicer to torrent. |
| 16:51.43 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: right, but you use the IDE to drive the nodes runing mpi or whatever else |
| 16:51.48 | dondelelcaro | (or you can) |
| 16:51.51 | nsadmin | omologos: the thing you should know is it's not possible to go from amd64 userland to i386 userland, or vise versa... you'd have to reinstall |
| 16:51.57 | abrotman | but he wants to control and process on the same box |
| 16:51.59 | JordiGH | abrotman: Not everying can be parallelisable. |
| 16:52.10 | abrotman | uh .. ok |
| 16:52.16 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sure, I do both on the same machine sometimes too |
| 16:52.35 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sometimes you want to debug without getting time on the cluster |
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| 16:52.52 | abrotman | but it's not the full run, and you wouldn't run it to the conclusion |
| 16:52.56 | JordiGH | abrotman: Once my code is working reasonably well, I might make it run on a different machine. I still want to profile it quickly on the desktop machine. It's more convenient. |
| 16:53.13 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sure, but you'd still need a relatively powerful machine |
| 16:53.30 | JordiGH | And sometimes... sometimes I just don't have access to a cluster or something of the sort. |
| 16:53.34 | dondelelcaro | (and in any event, it's not like it matters for me, since I don't run proprietary software) |
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| 16:53.53 | abrotman | right .. you're testing .. which you could do just as well on i386 |
| 16:54.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: not really; testing tends to be memory intensive |
| 16:54.21 | JordiGH | abrotman: No, you want to profile on the target architecture. |
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| 16:54.45 | abrotman | wonders who is correct ... |
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| 16:54.55 | JordiGH | abrotman: What was the latest PDE you solved? |
| 16:55.24 | dondelelcaro | (and frankly, there's no real reason for me to run i386 anyway) |
| 16:55.39 | abrotman | JordiGH: so you're saying if i haven't done it in the last two weeks, i'm an idiot ? |
| 16:56.08 | JordiGH | abrotman: And what method did you use? Some iterative procedures like Schwarz domain decomposition are amenable to parallelisation, but others just can't be done reliably (because, e.g. IEEE addition isn't associative). |
| 16:56.22 | nsadmin | he's not actuyally saying that... :) |
| 16:56.32 | abrotman | seems to be what he's implying |
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| 16:56.41 | JordiGH | abrotman: It's not about recently, it's about the problems you had to solve. |
| 16:56.48 | abrotman | JordiGH: you asked when |
| 16:57.05 | JordiGH | abrotman: Okay, I'll unask when, I'm asking what now. |
| 16:57.25 | nsadmin | no, he asked which pde was the latest |
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| 17:00.48 | abrotman | JordiGH: i think you're mixing issues .. but okay |
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| 17:01.27 | JordiGH | abrotman: I didn't think you'd answer. Okay then. ;-) |
| 17:02.17 | abrotman | JordiGH: you gave different conflicting answers .. none of which would cause me to take amd64 over i386 for a user's desktop |
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| 17:02.52 | JordiGH | abrotman: Let's drop it, it's not like you would tell me what numerical problems you've had to solve. |
| 17:03.06 | manic12 | I'm trying to get "Motion" installed on arm (if possible), I tried the naive thing apt-get install motion |
| 17:03.23 | abrotman | JordiGH: to you .. no |
| 17:04.26 | JordiGH | abrotman: Your testicles smell bad, btw. |
| 17:04.36 | abrotman | aw, i hurt his feelings |
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| 17:05.23 | manic12 | just out of curiosity, does arm have it's own gcc or am I supposed to xcompile everything? |
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| 17:05.52 | abrotman | manic12: it should have its own .. you can't find it in your repositories? |
| 17:05.53 | JordiGH | manic12: http://www.gnuarm.com/ |
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| 17:06.37 | cizra | E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.ee.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 17:06.42 | cizra | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.46 | chops | cizra: Try aptitude update |
| 17:06.49 | manic12 | yeah, I downloaded that, I haven't checked yet whether or not it had a binary or was just source (guess I should!) |
| 17:06.58 | abrotman | manic12: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gcc-4.3 .. unless i'm misunderstanding, there it is for arm |
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| 17:07.03 | cizra | chops Did that already. I'm trying to backport a sid package into squeeze. |
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| 17:07.38 | cizra | chops: I've got sid and squeeze source enabled in sources.list, squeeze binaries only. |
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| 17:08.02 | abrotman | cizra: apt-get update ? |
| 17:08.30 | cizra | abrotman: doesn't fix it |
| 17:08.35 | abrotman | not aptitude |
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| 17:08.40 | maginot | good afternoon. its possible to see which ip the dhcp server offered like a arp table ? |
| 17:08.41 | abrotman | does the file actually exist? |
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| 17:09.19 | cizra | abrotman: Dies with an error |
| 17:09.30 | abrotman | cizra: which is? |
| 17:09.31 | cizra | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry restricted/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 17:09.37 | cizra | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release Unable to find expected entry restricted/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 17:09.50 | abrotman | cizra: could you put your sources.list in a pastebin ? |
| 17:09.51 | cizra | Perhaps my mirror is out of date? |
| 17:10.25 | cizra | abrotman: I would if I had a web browser :-p I'll install pastebinit now. |
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| 17:15.01 | cizra | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/f64fd1940 |
| 17:15.14 | abrotman | cizra: what is "restricted" ? |
| 17:15.41 | cizra | abrotman: I'm not entirely sure.. Must have confused it with non-free? |
| 17:15.50 | abrotman | i think you have it confused wiht 'contrib' |
| 17:16.03 | cizra | Perhaps. Lemme try... |
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| 17:18.42 | aboyz | anyone know if this cron job will run every 4am every day? 0 4 * * * ? |
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| 17:19.57 | ix | Is there any way to generate /etc/hosts from an ISC DHCP daemon configuration file? |
| 17:20.21 | mquin | aboyz: yes - see 'man 5 crontab' |
| 17:20.21 | rudi_s | aboyz: Yes. |
| 17:20.29 | cizra | abrotman: Ha, works now! Thank you very much! |
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| 17:24.30 | teddymills | anyone else notice that Debian 5.02 reboots so fast, that MDADM does not have time to shutdown properly? Then has to do a raid resync after booting up. |
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| 17:24.38 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 17:25.23 | myeggo | hello |
| 17:25.49 | myeggo | when i turn on my computer i see an error message upon there is a problem with some hard disk and his table partition |
| 17:25.52 | abrotman | teddymills: clearly you need a slower machine |
| 17:26.01 | myeggo | i tried to do e2fsck as it suggest, but the error still appears |
| 17:26.06 | Alphos | mquin maybe you could help me with that hypothetical crontab : */45 * * * * /task |
| 17:26.14 | myeggo | i also dont know which disk is |
| 17:26.22 | Alphos | will it work every 45 minutes, or every hour at 0 and 45 ? |
| 17:26.24 | abrotman | myeggo: you could fsck them all |
| 17:26.41 | abrotman | Alphos: i think 0,45 .. could be wrong though |
| 17:26.46 | Alphos | 0h, 0h45, 1h30 etc... or 0h, 0h45, 1h, 1h45 |
| 17:26.56 | myeggo | it is what the computer does -- is there a log where can i see again what it says? |
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| 17:27.19 | Alphos | abrotman i guess i'll have to try it myself when i need it ^^' |
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| 17:27.42 | teddymills | abrotman, i do not know if you are serious or not..It is a good box but not superfast...Core2Duo E8400 |
| 17:27.42 | fxiny | Alphos: yes , 0 and 45 |
| 17:27.48 | Alphos | ok, thanks :) |
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| 17:27.50 | mazoni | hello guys, does any one know how to use serial port in debian lenny? |
| 17:27.59 | mquin | Alphos: I _think_ that would run at 0 and 45, but I'd suggest trying it to find out for sure |
| 17:28.03 | justin | mazoni: define "use" |
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| 17:28.38 | mazoni | access a board that is plugged with it |
| 17:28.46 | abrotman | teddymills: can you change the final script in rc6.d to sleep for 15 seconds or so ? |
| 17:28.57 | justin | mazoni: "access"? |
| 17:28.58 | abrotman | mazoni: minicom or kermit |
| 17:29.01 | teddymills | ok thx |
| 17:29.17 | justin | abrotman: screen is much simpler |
| 17:29.19 | abrotman | teddymills: seems like the the system should know .. i might check the BTS |
| 17:29.22 | cr3rzemjest | i can't connect to the internet on my laptop... i've successfully transfered data using ethernet cable betweeen the laptop and other pc, but internet doesn't work. i get no responses to ping, but i get adress and stuff via dhcp. however, when i type 'route', instead of 'default gw' i get 'link ... [something can't remember :P]'.... what do? |
| 17:29.33 | mazoni | it's a mini router actually |
| 17:30.01 | myeggo | abrotman: thank you, your tip worked to me |
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| 17:30.50 | justin | cr3rzemjest: what address? |
| 17:30.54 | cr3rzemjest | i connect my laptop to a switch as 2 other pcs, (because my ISP demands only 2 computers can have their adresses), but i use the cable from 1 pc so that there are still 2 IPs |
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| 17:31.06 | cr3rzemjest | justin: address of what? |
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| 17:31.39 | justin | cr3rzemjest: your laptop |
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| 17:32.01 | justin | cr3rzemjest: uhhh what? |
| 17:32.13 | cr3rzemjest | justin: currently it's not connected, but IP seems to be correct |
| 17:32.24 | amitz | I want to copy a CD that's almost dead. I can play it in windows but the load time is like 3 minutes. Is there any command (dd like command) in debian to repeatedly read a sector until it gets an answer than write the result to a file? |
| 17:32.28 | justin | cr3rzemjest: your ISP only lets you have to devices, you have 3? |
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| 17:32.30 | justin | er, two |
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| 17:32.42 | justin | amitz: dd_rescue |
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| 17:33.00 | justin | er, guess there are a few |
| 17:33.02 | justin | apt-cache search dd rescue |
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| 17:33.15 | cr3rzemjest | justin: sorry i dont understand |
| 17:33.43 | amitz | justin: from info dd_rescue surprisingly doesn't have that option. Debian lenny. |
| 17:33.49 | cr3rzemjest | the other pc is off anyway so that's not a problem i think |
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| 17:33.59 | yaaar | howdy |
| 17:33.59 | justin | amitz: gddrescue |
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| 17:34.02 | valdyn | amitz: it has that option |
| 17:34.05 | cr3rzemjest | unless they bind IPs to MACs? i dunno ? |
| 17:34.24 | justin | cr3rzemjest: I think you should ask your ISP |
| 17:35.19 | cr3rzemjest | wait , but it's DHCP, could it be that ips are bound to mac? i dont think so... |
| 17:36.23 | yaaar | cr3rzemjest: a lot of dhcp servers (including the one my isp uses) cache the MAC addresses, and will give you the same IP you had before (assuming no one else was given it while your box was offline) |
| 17:36.33 | yaaar | but yes, that's a question for the isp |
| 17:36.50 | amitz | oh, there is dd_rescue and there is ddrescue. heh... |
| 17:37.06 | cr3rzemjest | yaaar: wasn't there a trick for pretending other MAC address using ifconfig? |
| 17:37.07 | amitz | ddrescue is the result of gddrescue packaeg. |
| 17:37.25 | yaaar | cr3rzemjest: yes, you can spoof your mac. i don't know how off the top of my head |
| 17:37.26 | amitz | thanks all. |
| 17:37.28 | teddymills | might have been a false alarm. My box might have been going thru the raid resync because it did not complete to 100%. it has to start over again. I will let it complete the raid resync and do a reboot and see if that breaks the sync..It is 70% now. |
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| 17:43.58 | cr3rzemjest | k so i'll try to change MAC address. i've found but how do i know what class should i choose ifconfig <interface> hw <class> <address> |
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| 17:45.18 | x1250 | I created a fifofile with mkfifo, how can I delete it? |
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| 17:50.33 | jmho_ | x1250: did you try rm? |
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| 17:52.14 | x1250 | jmho_, I made a mistake in a script and the file was hidden. I was trying to delete the file without the dot. Ouch. |
| 17:52.47 | jmho_ | x1250: :) |
| 17:53.11 | Badgermaster | Do you mind if I ask a question about softwareraid even though it's not directly related to debian? |
| 17:53.48 | Titan8990_ | Badgermaster, #linux is usually best for those questions |
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| 17:56.54 | teddymills | yes it was a false alarm..if you hava a clean mdadm raid1 and reboot, it does put the raid1's out of sync..(I was not waiting for the raid resync to complete to 100% so they have to start at 0 again after the reboot) Lesson here is be patiebt Young Skywalker :) |
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| 18:01.44 | mazoni | hey guys, how can i access a RouterBoard device? |
| 18:01.50 | mazoni | 411 |
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| 18:04.40 | adama_ | mazoni: explain to us a problem you are having, we don't want to look up what a Routerboard Device is |
| 18:05.22 | mazoni | it's a board that has linux embedded in it, and i'm trying to access it's terminal, by serial port |
| 18:05.46 | mazoni | so that i can configure it's ip |
| 18:05.50 | adama_ | then you probably want minicom |
| 18:05.58 | mazoni | minicom or cu |
| 18:06.10 | mazoni | i don't know how to use them |
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| 18:06.22 | abrotman | they have documentation |
| 18:07.01 | adama_ | quoting minicom startup screen: CTRL-A Z for help |
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| 18:08.01 | swathanthran | kde 4.3 is on sid? |
| 18:08.13 | swathanthran | as i search for the package i see wierd 5.51 as the version.. |
| 18:08.26 | macrobat | yes kde4.3 |
| 18:08.28 | adama_ | judd: versions kde4 |
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| 18:08.29 | judd | adama_: kde4 -- experimental: 4 |
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| 18:08.42 | adama_ | ?? |
| 18:08.57 | macrobat | you have to look faor a specific pkg, i think |
| 18:09.04 | swathanthran | judd: %1.3fversions kde4 |
| 18:09.04 | judd | swathanthran: Error: "%1.3fversions" is not a valid command. |
| 18:09.06 | swathanthran | ;-) |
| 18:09.10 | macrobat | like kde-base |
| 18:09.45 | swathanthran | macrobat: ook that has it |
| 18:09.54 | swathanthran | now what does this 5.51 stand for? |
| 18:10.45 | swathanthran | http://packages.debian.org/sid/kde-full |
| 18:10.45 | abrotman | it's just a metapackage |
| 18:10.57 | adama_ | judd: versions kdebase |
| 18:10.57 | judd | adama_: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 squeeze: 4:4.2.4-1 sid: 4:4.3.0-1 |
| 18:11.01 | swathanthran | yeah was thinking whether there is any meaning to that numbering.. |
| 18:11.05 | adama_ | ha |
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| 18:12.18 | macrobat | whats the difference between dfsg versions and the others? |
| 18:12.27 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:12.34 | macrobat | i thought everything was dfsg? |
| 18:12.36 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 18:12.36 | dpkg | dfsg is probably the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 18:12.49 | abrotman | macrobat: it might have bits removed to help it meet the DFSG |
| 18:12.58 | macrobat | ah |
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| 18:15.01 | dmoerner | dumb question: what replaced kaffeine in kde4 to play dvds? |
| 18:15.04 | saulus | when I write large files my whole system stalles. I have to pull the plug to restart. Any Idea why? I transfer them from a sata sw raid 0 to a local ide HDD running ext3 |
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| 18:17.09 | abrotman | dmoerner: it's still available in sid ? |
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| 18:17.48 | abrotman | dmoerner: looks like 'dragonplayer' ? |
| 18:17.55 | dmoerner | abrotman: yes, but i'd rather not pull in kdelibs4c2a. i'll look at dragonplayer thanks |
| 18:17.55 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/sid/dragonplayer |
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| 18:18.15 | cr3rzemjest | so my laptop has net connection now, i had change mac ("spoof") |
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| 18:19.42 | cr3rzemjest | how to list all possible alternatives so i can find what i'm looking for? "update-alternatives --list *" doesn't work |
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| 18:21.21 | justin | cr3rzemjest: ls /etc/alternatives/ |
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| 18:22.51 | cr3rzemjest | justin: thx |
| 18:23.27 | cr3rzemjest | then i dunno what that command is for... i could make links manually as well |
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| 18:31.23 | cr3rzemjest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:34.02 | cr3rzemjest | update-alternatives --set flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so <- i wanted to install non-free flash in a clean way, so that alternative links are correct.... |
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| 18:35.43 | tweek_ | I guess my wireless adapter is getting way too damn hot |
| 18:36.09 | tweek_ | had to fsck a partition, and a lot of data was corrupt |
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| 18:36.34 | tweek_ | and now I'm left with a /var/db/pkg or whatever it is in Debian that's full of blank .list files |
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| 18:37.39 | tweek_ | is there any way I can rebuild this package database info? |
| 18:38.01 | tweek_ | or just remove pretty much everything but the base stuff |
| 18:38.06 | dondelelcaro | !reinstall |
| 18:38.06 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 18:38.47 | dondelelcaro | if you're not even sure what packages you've got installed because you've jacked dpkg's status and all of the backups, you can figure that out by trolling through /usr/share/doc |
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| 18:40.24 | tweek_ | thanks. I'll try this |
| 18:40.33 | nichos | is there a way for each user to have their own xorg.conf? I put an xorg.conf in my $HOME but it didn't seem to take |
| 18:40.58 | Titan8990_ | nichos, no, only their own .xinitrc |
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| 18:41.06 | Titan8990_ | nichos, xorg.conf are barely used anymore |
| 18:41.06 | tweek_ | why would you need a per-user xorg.conf |
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| 18:41.28 | nichos | Titan8990, I'm trying to disable zapping and ctrl alt f#, can you do that in xinitrc? |
| 18:41.58 | tweek_ | you want to take out the ability to switch to vterms? |
| 18:42.31 | nichos | tweek_, yes, I've a kiosk but using debian live and want to disable the ability to drop to a term |
| 18:42.49 | nichos | i know how to do it in xorg, which works, but those files aren't copied to debian live |
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| 18:44.28 | tweek_ | jesus how did I end up installing 160 packages on this tiny thing |
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| 18:46.16 | abrotman | that's not very many |
| 18:46.28 | KidneyBeans | yeh |
| 18:46.35 | KidneyBeans | abrotman installs that many during a smoke break. . .. |
| 18:46.41 | g00se | nichos: Which files aren't copied? |
| 18:47.19 | nichos | g00se, I modified /etc/X11/xorg.conf but the liveCD didn't bring over that file |
| 18:47.46 | nichos | so I figured I'd put it in $HOME |
| 18:47.57 | nichos | but I don't know how to disable zapping and vterms in xinitrc |
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| 18:49.32 | shuren | its a good thing you guys chose debian and not dabian |
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| 18:49.48 | g00se | nichos: afaicr you need to modify the one in chroot |
| 18:51.02 | shuren | can i install debian on my i7 system |
| 18:51.08 | nichos | g00se, I'll have a look at that |
| 18:51.11 | nichos | perhaps that will do what I need |
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| 18:51.34 | tweek_ | abrotman: originally it was supposed to merely be the base stuff, plus build environments for AVR + ARM |
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| 18:51.47 | tweek_ | I guess that would be enough |
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| 18:52.31 | tweek_ | since it's becoming too unwieldy, I'm keeping the build env on this host machine |
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| 18:54.43 | nichos | g00se, any idea how to mount a squashfs RW?:) |
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| 18:59.39 | tweek_ | aptitude reinstall ~i fails with some internal error |
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| 18:59.49 | dondelelcaro | tweek_: what internal error? |
| 18:59.50 | abrotman | that's all it says ? |
| 19:00.11 | tweek_ | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on bash (first package it's building) |
| 19:00.15 | tweek_ | well, installing I guess |
| 19:00.21 | tweek_ | it's hosed |
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| 19:01.25 | dondelelcaro | tweek_: so reinstall bash alone, first |
| 19:01.45 | ajavid | there is seemingly buggy behaviour in stable installation |
| 19:01.45 | dondelelcaro | tweek_: then aptitude reinstall '~i!~nbash'; and continue until things install |
| 19:01.54 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: certainly there is |
| 19:02.05 | ajavid | say for example you have (I have rt26) wifi, dondelelcaro hehe |
| 19:02.19 | tweek_ | 90% chance it'll just fail on bash |
| 19:02.22 | ajavid | so I mean, it continues to request the firmware, yet there is none becuase it doesn't ship with it |
| 19:02.37 | g00se | nichos: Read the chapter in the Live Manual on persistence, which i edited recently |
| 19:02.41 | ajavid | that is until you remove the rt26pci module |
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| 19:03.16 | ajavid | if the module is loaded (kde cd1 so far loads it for me), but no firmware, so until I remove it or install firmware-ralink it will continue to pound my console with error messages about not finding firmware |
| 19:03.26 | ajavid | no big deal though |
| 19:03.42 | dondelelcaro | so adjust the printk until you shove the firmware there or remove it |
| 19:03.54 | ajavid | already taken care of |
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| 19:04.41 | TauPan | hi... is there some way I can F-orbid a package to be upgraded and tell apt/dpkg to be quiet about errors? |
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| 19:05.13 | dondelelcaro | !hold |
| 19:05.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me ... |
| 19:05.16 | ajavid | TauPan, hold |
| 19:05.22 | TauPan | no |
| 19:05.27 | ajavid | then what? |
| 19:05.46 | TauPan | Because of this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530510 I am forced to regularly update libneon and then later downgrade it. |
| 19:05.49 | CharminTheMoose | I'm trying to convert a .ogv to .avi with ffmpeg... But I just can't seem to... http://pastebin.ca/1525461 is the output. Can anyone help? |
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| 19:05.57 | ajavid | CharminTheMoose, hi |
| 19:05.57 | asdzxc | hi |
| 19:05.59 | TauPan | if I simply hold it, it just prevents all other updates. |
| 19:06.02 | CharminTheMoose | hey ajavid |
| 19:06.09 | asdzxc | how can i change _sender_ address for cron ? |
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| 19:06.31 | dondelelcaro | TauPan: uh... because that's how it works? |
| 19:06.54 | dondelelcaro | TauPan: if it's a concern for you, provide more information on what exactly the error is, ideally with debugging output indicating the code that fails, and a patch |
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| 19:07.46 | ajavid | CharminTheMoose, I've never done it myself, but aren't there wrappers for ffmpeg/mencoder that actually convert easily? Have you tried to find maybe like ogv2??? something |
| 19:07.48 | ExodusC | Hmm.. Is there a way to pull a package from the apt-get autoremove list? |
| 19:07.59 | TauPan | you mean spend an afternoon of work debugging the package? |
| 19:08.05 | CharminTheMoose | Hmm. |
| 19:08.09 | ajavid | CharminTheMoose, what about winff (I think) crossplatform ffmpeg video converter |
| 19:08.11 | TauPan | there is already a patch for that issue |
| 19:08.13 | CharminTheMoose | ogv2? I'll try that.. |
| 19:08.28 | ajavid | CharminTheMoose, just a guess, something called ovg2whatever |
| 19:08.35 | ajavid | may not be |
| 19:08.35 | dondelelcaro | TauPan: if there is, then send it into the bug, and tag the bug patch |
| 19:08.42 | CharminTheMoose | I don't want to be seen bashing GUIs here, but fwiw, I'd prefer to do it via CL. |
| 19:08.52 | CharminTheMoose | It'd be quicker and I just need one file done. :P |
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| 19:08.59 | ajavid | heh |
| 19:09.11 | ajavid | is there an #ffmpeg ? |
| 19:09.21 | TauPan | In fact I think I should merge it with http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=480041 |
| 19:09.43 | abrotman | ExodusC: unmarkauto i think is what you're looking for |
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| 19:10.43 | ExodusC | abrotman: I'm guessing that's not a function of apt-get? I don't see it listed as a command when I apt-get --help |
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| 19:11.07 | dondelelcaro | TauPan: if it's the same bug, then yes, do that |
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| 19:11.41 | craigevil | ExodusC: you can disable autoremove in apt-get |
| 19:12.13 | TauPan | I'm very sure it's the same |
| 19:12.33 | TauPan | wonders if reassign followed by merge would be sufficient here. |
| 19:12.35 | ExodusC | Well, I was hoping I could just deselect certain packages from being autoremoved, as I've been forced to install dependencies for a package I couldn't install through apt-get, and apt-get wishes to autoremove them |
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| 19:12.57 | abrotman | ExodusC: man aptitude ? |
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| 19:13.48 | zophy | it took me 7 minutes to compile 2.6.30 |
| 19:13.51 | ajavid | does anyone know any similar fonts to xfonts-terminus (fixed width programming font)? |
| 19:13.51 | chavodelocho | guys, I have two ISPs connected on my server, even that I use iproute2, the only way to have failover is with scripts? |
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| 19:14.49 | dondelelcaro | TauPan: they have to be in the same package to be merged |
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| 19:15.23 | maginot | where I set the path to the xulrunner when running firefox ? Its pointing to xulrunner 1.9.0.13 but I have a newer version and want firefox to use it |
| 19:15.33 | TauPan | dondelelcaro: that's why I reassign first |
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| 19:15.44 | TauPan | looks if they have the same forwards. |
| 19:15.47 | ajavid | maginot, firefox not supported here |
| 19:15.57 | dondelelcaro | TauPan: you may also want to see www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#affects et al. |
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| 19:16.38 | taras | hm backports doesn't have nvidia kernel module for 2.6.30 kernel :( |
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| 19:16.55 | tweek_ | well, guess I'll just rebuild the card |
| 19:17.11 | tweek_ | besides udev, what sorts of packages should I almost always have installed? |
| 19:17.36 | klbate | I'm using recent testing, and when I have jackd running, blocking other programs from using the soundcard, many audio programs seem to do The Right Thing automatically (at least Rhythmbox and the Mplayer plugin) and play sound through jackd, but if I _don't_ have jackd running they will use some other mechanism, preventing me from starting jackd without first killing them. Is there any way to get them to always use ja |
| 19:17.36 | klbate | ckd and start it if needed? |
| 19:17.46 | TauPan | hm, I think I should just post a comment |
| 19:18.04 | TauPan | I'm not sure if merging would be the right thing, better let the maintainer decide. |
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| 19:20.12 | swathanthran | a netinst cd install can be upgraded to sid right? and does the netinst contain gnome too? |
| 19:20.35 | ExodusC | Huh, aptitude unmarkauto packagename just attempts to remove the packages as autoremove would, I don't quite understand what's happening |
| 19:20.58 | swathanthran | which would give a faster upgrade to sid? netinst or a cd/dvd? |
| 19:21.10 | swathanthran | or is the upgrade time same for all? |
| 19:21.18 | dondelelcaro | swathanthran: no, it just contains the stuff to get started. Depends on your network. |
| 19:21.31 | TauPan | but I still wonder why libsvn demands a higher version of libneon-gnutls, if it works just fine with the older version (which it does) |
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| 19:21.50 | usb_user | swathanthran, and what you install. if you install a DVD worth of stuff, it will take longer to download all the new versions of that package |
| 19:21.52 | hark | ExodusC: no it doesn't .. man aptitude |
| 19:22.10 | dondelelcaro | ExodusC: if the package is already marked for removal, that would happen; you can do aptitude install foopkg=; |
| 19:22.18 | swathanthran | usb_user: thats my point so netinst cd should be the thing ! coz i want to download that first ! |
| 19:22.29 | swathanthran | there isn't a direct way to install sid right? |
| 19:22.35 | ExodusC | hark: I did, I mean when I attempt to run "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" it SHOULD mark it as being manually installed... |
| 19:22.39 | ExodusC | Hang on, let me try something |
| 19:22.40 | dondelelcaro | swathanthran: you install stable, then upgrade. |
| 19:22.52 | usb_user | swathanthran, what I do is download the netinstall cd, then install just the base system, no GUI |
| 19:22.54 | swathanthran | dondelelcaro: sure.. i am waiting for free net time.. |
| 19:22.59 | dondelelcaro | ExodusC: it clears the mark which says that it was automatically installed; that's it. |
| 19:23.10 | swathanthran | usb_user: yeah got it... |
| 19:23.23 | usb_user | swathanthran, so all I have is the base, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to sid, then upgrade, then build up grom there |
| 19:23.40 | usb_user | from* |
| 19:24.40 | swathanthran | any guess on what would that upgrade size would be in Megabytes? |
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| 19:27.02 | swathanthran | just to have a prior info on how much time it would take. |
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| 19:27.21 | swathanthran | from a netinst base that is.. |
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| 19:28.04 | usb_user | swathanthran, well on my internet, downloading and installing just the base takes around 5 minuts IIRC, then upgrading to sid, about 5-8 more, then installing a package like "aptitude install gnome" takes 17 |
| 19:28.52 | swathanthran | usb_user: whats the speed? |
| 19:29.15 | usb_user | well its comcast, and it tops sometimes at 786 or so kbps |
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| 19:29.29 | usb_user | supposedly comcast doubled the speed - i'm not seeing it |
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| 19:30.09 | Pnux | hey guys, which software do you recommend for listening online radios? |
| 19:30.11 | swathanthran | if i am lucky i can get 200kbps;-) |
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| 19:31.14 | hark | swathanthran: it would be less than the size of the netinst |
| 19:31.29 | swathanthran | thanks thats good.. |
| 19:31.44 | DasEi | Pnux: I use streamtuner or vlc on ubuntu |
| 19:31.49 | swathanthran | and worth a night out;-) |
| 19:32.30 | Pnux | DasEi: i didnt know you could do that with vlc, if check it out.. as well as streamtuner, thanks |
| 19:33.40 | DasEi | Pnux: in vlc you need to know the url, while streamtuner offers them from display, to rip : sttreamripper, other ways: amarok or evil winamp in wine |
| 19:33.55 | DasEi | *streamripper |
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| 19:34.07 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 19:34.21 | sobersabre | I am planning to copy a 420 GB partition on a backup disk now. |
| 19:34.38 | epsilon | blog it! |
| 19:34.49 | sobersabre | epsilon: you're not talking to me. right ? |
| 19:34.59 | epsilon | I do :P |
| 19:35.06 | sobersabre | anyway, the target disk is USB drive. |
| 19:35.09 | Pnux | DasEi: i see.. ill check streamtuner then, i dont want to be searching for radios, thats te whole idea |
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| 19:35.30 | sobersabre | I wonder if there is an additional and more ... smart way to do it except cp or dd. |
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| 19:35.54 | sobersabre | I need to copy permissions, and hopefully ACLs. |
| 19:36.00 | sobersabre | the source fs is xfs. |
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| 19:36.20 | sobersabre | the target fs is ext3, so I will need to copy with cp. |
| 19:36.57 | sobersabre | I *would* like to see the progress of all this process. |
| 19:37.22 | justin | dpkg: 420*1024/30/60/60 |
| 19:37.22 | dpkg | 3.982222222222 |
| 19:37.28 | justin | sobersabre: you're going to be there for a while |
| 19:37.41 | Floops[w] | i trying to power down interface but each time i try |
| 19:37.42 | sobersabre | yes, of course. |
| 19:37.43 | Floops[w] | i keep getting |
| 19:37.55 | Floops[w] | ifdown: interface tun9 not configured |
| 19:38.03 | Floops[w] | although when i do ifconfig |
| 19:38.04 | justin | Floops[w]: ifconfig tun0 down |
| 19:38.11 | Floops[w] | i can see the interface running |
| 19:38.17 | sobersabre | justin: it's a good time for any good warnings and precautions |
| 19:38.39 | justin | sobersabre: other than that it would be faster to install the drive internally to do the copy... |
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| 19:38.59 | sobersabre | justin: it's a warranty device, if I open it, the warranty is void :( |
| 19:39.17 | margiolas | hello guys i am looking for a good numa arch resource |
| 19:39.52 | sobersabre | justin: do you think mc copying with preservation of permissions, etc. won't die because of some bug in mc ? |
| 19:40.00 | justin | sobersabre: don't use mc |
| 19:40.10 | sobersabre | oh! now you're talking :) |
| 19:40.20 | sobersabre | is there a way to make cp print some kind of progress ? |
| 19:40.42 | justin | cp should work fine, or maybe pax |
| 19:40.52 | Pnux | cp -v |
| 19:40.54 | justin | sobersabre: 'watch df -h' |
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| 19:41.15 | sobersabre | justin: :) I thought of other means than OTHER means. |
| 19:41.39 | sobersabre | but unix principle "do 1 thing, but well" goes with you :) |
| 19:42.46 | dbb | hi all- I have a big disk I want to mount as /bigdisk ...it used to be setup that way, but the boot disk died (ouch) and I now have a new boot disk and new system.. Something complained that I dont have permission to read the disk.. something about GUIDs? not sure.. advice for expedient solution appreciated |
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| 19:43.05 | justin | dbb: something something something? |
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| 19:43.44 | dbb | justin is there something specific, or did you just drink a lot of coffee and want to type alot? |
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| 19:44.15 | justin | dbb: my answer was equally specific as your question... |
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| 19:44.44 | dbb | the disk is sitting there with some old owners and permissions form a previous system |
| 19:44.53 | dbb | I have a brand new OS |
| 19:45.01 | justin | dbb: oh. your uid changed? |
| 19:45.02 | dbb | make sense so far? |
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| 19:45.29 | justin | dbb: id; ls -nd bigdisk |
| 19:45.47 | dbb | its not currently mounted |
| 19:45.53 | justin | dbb: so mount it |
| 19:46.52 | sobersabre | justin: I'm using watch -d df -k |
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| 19:47.58 | ajavid | if you install 20 fonts, debconf will try to update font cache 20 times, once after each font is installed |
| 19:48.27 | ajavid | instead of updating once after all fonts are installed |
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| 19:48.41 | Floops[w] | justin, thanks |
| 19:48.43 | Floops[w] | that worked |
| 19:48.43 | justin | ajavid: file a bug. |
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| 19:48.55 | ajavid | I'm not sure if this is a but rather than just the way it works |
| 19:49.05 | ajavid | s/but/bug |
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| 19:50.31 | jl_ | anyone ported varnish 2.0.4 to lenny? |
| 19:50.36 | Meiki | Hi. CPAN just installed a ton of modules that I don't need, the list is HUGE now and it shouldn't be. Has someone got a list of the default CPAN modules installed by default? |
| 19:50.39 | Meiki | Debian 5.0 |
| 19:50.41 | sobersabre | ajavid: I too noticed this "feature", and it seems to me this is a bug. but I am not sure where: in the post installation scripts or in debconf or in apt or in aptitude. |
| 19:50.41 | Meiki | please help! |
| 19:50.42 | ajavid | I have not yet looked but i'm guessing each font package has a postinst script to update the font cache, so not sure if that has anything that can be done with aptitude, like aptitude can determine how many font packages are being installed and only launch the fontconfig cache updater only once |
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| 19:51.33 | willmore | Greetings folks. |
| 19:51.38 | ajavid | inhibit postinst from running until all packages are installed and if a font package(s) was/were installed, only then run the font cache update (I dunno, I'm just brainstorming) |
| 19:51.49 | norc | When changing the processor architecture from amd64 to intel64, I only need a proper kernel right? |
| 19:52.02 | sobersabre | ajavid: I would expect something like upwards communication from the postinst to the upper level system. if it's possible, then it's possible to see the list of packages, and make sure you're the last to run the update of cache. |
| 19:52.09 | Meiki | please help! |
| 19:52.23 | sobersabre | ajavid: I am not sure inhibitting the whole postinst is the way to go. |
| 19:52.29 | stew | sobersabre: google for dpkg postinst trigger |
| 19:52.34 | sobersabre | maybe it's doing other required things... |
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| 19:52.47 | sobersabre | stew: postinst can do many things. |
| 19:52.51 | stew | sobersabre: yes |
| 19:52.53 | sobersabre | like echo "kuku" |
| 19:52.57 | Meiki | Hi. CPAN just installed a ton of modules that I don't need, the list is HUGE now and it shouldn't be. Has someone got a list of the default CPAN modules installed by default? |
| 19:53.00 | Meiki | Debian 5.0 |
| 19:53.01 | stew | sobersabre: of course |
| 19:53.45 | sobersabre | stew: I usually replace diversion in postrm scripts with echo "kuku"... |
| 19:53.58 | dbb | disk mount - ok, so its mounted now /bigdisk drwxr-xr-x root root |
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| 19:54.20 | stew | sobersabre: why are you telling me this? |
| 19:54.34 | willmore | It seems my /var/lib/dpkg/info has some corrupt files in it. Is there a way to regenerate this info? |
| 19:54.39 | hark | norc: /msg dpkg ia64 |
| 19:54.41 | tweek_ | nope! |
| 19:54.53 | stew | "sobersabre> ajavid: I would expect something like upwards communication from the postinst to the upper level system. if it's possible, then it's possible to see the list of packages, and make sure you're the last to run the update of cache." |
| 19:54.58 | justin | dbb: id; ls -nd bigdisk |
| 19:55.05 | stew | sobersabre: yes, its possible, and the mechanism that makes it possible is the new triggers mechanism |
| 19:55.09 | willmore | tweek_, was that addressed to me? |
| 19:55.14 | stew | sobersabre: which you can read about at dpkg.org |
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| 19:55.28 | khaije | so is there a list of the different repo's for the various releases? like i know stable and testing has updates, but unstable doesn't have volatile or security... is there a list of these anywhere? |
| 19:55.33 | sobersabre | stew: ok, I wasn't aware of it, will do. |
| 19:55.37 | stew | willmore: aptitude reinstall packagename |
| 19:55.44 | willmore | stew, thanks. |
| 19:55.46 | tweek_ | well, I wasn't able to recover |
| 19:55.49 | ajavid | khaije, no |
| 19:55.50 | justin | khaije: unstable is not a release |
| 19:55.51 | tweek_ | your mileage may vary |
| 19:55.56 | ajavid | khaije, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 19:56.00 | ajavid | !dnuts |
| 19:56.00 | dpkg | [dnuts] Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 19:56.20 | stew | khaije: no, but you've pretty much summed it up |
| 19:56.27 | stew | (and yes, unstable is a release) |
| 19:56.36 | tweek_ | you know |
| 19:56.39 | khaije | thanks stew |
| 19:56.40 | tweek_ | Debian could be going to 2050 |
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| 19:56.47 | asdzxc | hi |
| 19:56.48 | tweek_ | and they wouldn't run out of toy story characters |
| 19:56.49 | justin | stew: oh yeah? when was unstable released? :-P |
| 19:56.53 | khaije | whats with the hair-trigger responses everyone? |
| 19:56.53 | tweek_ | because they NEVER RELEASE |
| 19:57.04 | asdzxc | is there any simple tool which will create me graphs of CPU usage per user ? |
| 19:57.04 | norc | hark: Ah. So in short, no change required eh? Nice. :) |
| 19:57.10 | dbb | I hope nothing was on this disk, because only lost&found is there now it seems |
| 19:57.11 | ajavid | justin, semantics |
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| 19:57.23 | ajavid | justin, it is, and it isn't |
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| 19:58.39 | hark | norc: yeah, amd64 is correct |
| 19:59.02 | ajavid | justin, you could consider it a 'development' release, whereas testing is the testing release, and stable is the stable release, just words |
| 19:59.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I just upgraded my notebook with 4GB Ram. Now after logging in from GDM gnome is freezing everytime. Distro : Lenny. Any solutions? |
| 19:59.21 | craigevil | justin: Debian always has at least three releases in active maintenance: "stable", "testing" and "unstable". from http://www.debian.org/releases/index.en.html |
| 19:59.36 | justin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: does it freeze if you login as a different user? |
| 19:59.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes. i tried as root .....with root enabled from gdm-setup .. |
| 20:00.03 | justin | craigevil: and it calls it the "unstable distribution" everywhere else |
| 20:00.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | this is happenign after adding the ram |
| 20:00.09 | justin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: run memtest |
| 20:00.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | 32 bit is what i am using |
| 20:00.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
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| 20:00.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | do i need to anyway use the bigmem kernel or so ? |
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| 20:01.03 | justin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: that won't fix your problems |
| 20:01.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm |
| 20:02.27 | dbb | disk - so ls -nd shows 3 0 0 for bigdisk, and 5 0 0 for home on my new OS |
| 20:02.55 | ajavid | justin, I also think it is not a 'release' per se, as it it never released... but can be considered a developers/development 'release'. |
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| 20:03.15 | dbb | what to do to bigdisk ? |
| 20:03.24 | dbb | to bring uid into line with new OS ? |
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| 20:04.57 | justin | dbb: uh, your home does not show up as 0 0 |
| 20:06.32 | dbb | ?? |
| 20:06.51 | justin | 15:54 < justin> dbb: id; ls -nd bigdisk |
| 20:07.18 | dbb | yes - I just did that.. I am trying to shwo the results |
| 20:07.39 | dbb | I am in /home, and ls -nd shows 5 0 0 |
| 20:07.50 | dbb | bigdisk is 3 0 0 |
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| 20:09.37 | dbb | perhaps you thought I meant a home directory |
| 20:09.57 | dbb | the first user's home directory shows 17 1000 1000 |
| 20:09.59 | justin | dbb: YOUR home directory, not /home |
| 20:10.21 | dbb | ok |
| 20:10.24 | justin | dbb: you need to make bigdisk 1000:1000 then |
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| 20:11.09 | dbb | doesnt a disk get owned by root? |
| 20:11.13 | dbb | not a user? |
| 20:11.28 | dbb | with a sensible group |
| 20:11.34 | justin | dbb: there is no such thing as a disk on a unix system |
| 20:11.43 | dbb | ok.. |
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| 20:11.52 | dbb | s/mount/disk/ |
| 20:11.54 | martian67 | at least not in the windows sense |
| 20:12.03 | swathanthran | okay.. once more confirming.. stable->sid upgrade is ok right?;-) |
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| 20:12.09 | justin | swathanthran: define ok? |
| 20:12.17 | dbb | doesnt do windows |
| 20:12.22 | swathanthran | justin: "allowed" |
| 20:12.29 | justin | swathanthran: sure, do whatever you want |
| 20:12.32 | martian67 | swathanthran, its "ok" as in it will most likely probably should work... maybee :) |
| 20:13.00 | swathanthran | hehe i have had my debian failed on a stable to testing upgrade;-) anyway i am trying on a netinst.. |
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| 20:16.01 | pingouin | is there a way to test the integrity of a database backup (mysql) without importing the backup on another mysql ? some cli test or something ? |
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| 20:16.26 | abrotman | dump to insert statements? |
| 20:17.03 | kc8pxy | pingouin: intergrity how? that it's not mangled? |
| 20:17.42 | pingouin | kc8pxy: i mean [sorry my english is very bad] if the backup is ok in case of database crash for instance |
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| 20:18.48 | kc8pxy | pingouin: not a problem, but i still am unclear. what does ok mean in this case? valid SQL/structure, data is a true backup?? what? |
| 20:19.36 | runa | heyas. my server iostat's returns 100% of %util for my main disk. load seems to come from lots of disk reads and writes; do I have any smart way to figure out what's exhausting the disk or just my intuition? |
| 20:19.59 | pingouin | kc8pxy: everything, struture/data it's a full export/backup with drop table etc...[options in phpmyadmin] |
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| 20:21.31 | kc8pxy | pingouin: not sure. only way i know is to load it up and try it :) |
| 20:22.18 | pingouin | kc8pxy: yep :/ it's what i use for now.... on another computer with mysql/phpmyadmin/apache/ and the same cms |
| 20:22.31 | pingouin | kc8pxy: ok..so i got the best way to do it already ;) |
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| 20:22.49 | pingouin | kc8pxy: thanks for your time |
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| 20:27.50 | honschu | Hi, does anybody have the same issues with lenny and Xorg? http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2009-August/046854.html |
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| 20:35.37 | tweek_ | why does 'modprobe foo' fail with 'cannot open 'kernel/path/to/foo.ko': no such file'? /lib/modules/2.6.26/kernel/path/to/foo.ko exists |
| 20:36.26 | bpun | tweek_, because you are a miserable package maker? try to update mod's cache.. with depmod -a << not sure.. |
| 20:36.31 | KidneyBeans | perhaps because the file doesnt exist. |
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| 20:36.52 | bpun | KidneyBeans, he said it exists |
| 20:37.03 | tweek_ | there we go. thanks |
| 20:37.56 | tweek_ | is there some sort of debootstrap-related script that runs post-install stuff? such as chowning /var/cache/man properly, running depmod -a, etc. |
| 20:38.13 | tweek_ | because there's undoubtedly a bunch of other things I should be doing that I don't know about |
| 20:38.22 | tweek_ | and it seems as if I'm doing this enough |
| 20:39.49 | bpun | tweek_, check the name again, maybe there's a capital.. |
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| 20:40.45 | tweek_ | no, it was failing to find every kernel module |
| 20:41.06 | tweek_ | so it simply wasn't loading any of it on boot, resulting in various problems. depmod -a fixed it |
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| 20:41.55 | daishadar | i have an .iso file that is a recovery cd for some windows backup software i'm using (shadowprotect). how can i burn this iso to a usb stick so i can boot from it? |
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| 20:50.18 | Hexch | hi, can somebody recommend something else the ifolder ? |
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| 20:50.34 | Hexch | It may also be commercial |
| 20:50.44 | cast | what is ifolder? |
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| 20:50.59 | Hexch | cast: web disk |
| 20:51.05 | Hexch | hosted disk |
| 20:51.11 | cast | amazon S3 |
| 20:51.16 | cast | probably cheaper, too |
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| 20:52.39 | lelu | hehe i just finished writing a php graph front end to the MySQL Squid Access Report backend for squid |
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| 20:52.54 | lelu | it makes pretty pies |
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| 20:55.24 | Hexch | cast: amazon s3 is just a service that they have. i need something, like webdav, ifolder. But these 2 sucks :) |
| 20:56.15 | cast | oh, so you want a *client* |
| 20:56.16 | klbate | If I want to use TuxOnIce, do I need to patch the kernel or are there any packages I can just install? |
| 20:56.21 | cast | anyway, s3cmd is pretty good |
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| 20:58.27 | Hexch | cast: no server solution, i want to offer hosted disk for my costumers |
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| 20:58.48 | damasceno | How can I become a consultant debian? http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 21:01.45 | tweek_ | you probably would want to work up a reputation or some sort of credibility yourself before asking to get on a list like that |
| 21:01.52 | Hexch | damasceno: http://www.debian.org/consultants/info |
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| 21:11.05 | klbate | I'm trying to get my machine to hibernate. pm-hibernate does nothing at all, and there's nothing printed to /var/log/pm-suspend.log. Any idea how to get it to work? |
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| 21:13.10 | raboof | is there a way to somehow 'vote' for debian bugs? I'd like to express that I'd like to see a particular bug fixed, but adding a 'me, too' mail to the thread doesn't seem very useful |
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| 21:15.54 | lindenle | Hi All, is there a way to get a package list of what is installed on my system so that when i reinstall i can get all the same stuff? (HD is dying and I am about to replace |
| 21:16.15 | gravity | raboof: No, Debian doesn't have a way to vote on bugs. If you really want to see it fixed, you should consider rolling up your sleeves and helping out with it |
| 21:16.16 | raboof | lindenle: dpkg --get-selections ? |
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| 21:16.39 | lindenle | and then set-selections on the other side? |
| 21:16.44 | bpun | lindenle, you can use dpkg selections |
| 21:17.07 | raboof | gravity: yeah, i'm preparing a more specific 'what needs to be done' reply - though it's a bit of a trivial change, so that makes it akward |
| 21:17.19 | bpun | !selections |
| 21:17.19 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
| 21:17.59 | lindenle | thanks |
| 21:18.08 | gravity | raboof: If the maintainer hasn't really looked at it, providing a good email describing the problem and the solution will go a very long way. That's way better than any vote. |
| 21:18.14 | klbate | I have CONFIG_SUSPEND turned on in the kernel according to /boot/options, but hibernate-disk still says "You need to install a kernel with support for suspending to disk or RAM and reboot, then try again." |
| 21:18.16 | gravity | raboof: So keep it up :-) |
| 21:18.18 | klbate | Any idea what to do? |
| 21:18.23 | raboof | gravity: :) |
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| 21:20.51 | bpun | lindenle, ^^ |
| 21:20.56 | honschu | lindenle: dpkg -l |
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| 21:21.45 | smacnay | is there an app to stitch two ps files together? I am trying to send a fax, written in OO, through a faxmodem on a server. No real easy way to do this, is there? I am currently writing in OO, exporting to pdf, converting with pdf2ps. One page of the fax is cover letter (written in OO) the second page is a scanned image. |
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| 21:22.34 | xyan | smacnay: join the exported pdfs |
| 21:22.37 | xyan | pdfjoin |
| 21:22.50 | xyan | its in the pdfjam package |
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| 21:23.24 | smacnay | xyan, actually, one is a scanned (ps or jpeg or my choice) and the other is pdf. |
| 21:23.50 | xyan | ps2pdf |
| 21:24.01 | xyan | psmerge might help aswell |
| 21:24.02 | honschu | smacnay: Or import everything into OO, so you have one document |
| 21:24.06 | ninjaslim | simple questions, why should one pick Debian over Ubuntu |
| 21:24.07 | klbate | Wait... swsusp doesn't work for multi-core systems? |
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| 21:24.29 | honschu | ninjaslim: Personal taste |
| 21:24.44 | honschu | ninjaslim: I like it more conservative. |
| 21:24.51 | ninjaslim | honschu: that's it, any advantages to using one or the other |
| 21:24.55 | smacnay | honschu, I have done that now and the resulting ps file (after converting is around 160 Meg). |
| 21:25.38 | honschu | smacnay: ;) The scanned image is a bit of a too high dpi, isn't it? |
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| 21:26.33 | bpun | honschu, and that's why an analog camera will always beat the digital :) |
| 21:26.35 | honschu | ninjaslim: I think debian is not that userfriendly on the first view. But when things get more complex or are broken you also have to fiddle with the gimmick |
| 21:26.57 | smacnay | honschu, 150 dpi |
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| 21:27.15 | honschu | smacnay: And fax does what? 75 dpi? |
| 21:27.23 | bpun | ninjaslim, because ubuntu has nothing to do with debian, and ubuntu are for idiots |
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| 21:28.27 | smacnay | honschu, true but if I import into the OO doc and then convert to pdf and then convert again to ps, I might need the resolution to be higher at the beginning... ? |
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| 21:29.26 | honschu | smacnay: You can print into a file in OO - the result is a ps - you don't have to go with pdf |
| 21:30.11 | bpun | smacnay, 150 dpi is fine.. for a 160 meg.. tells me either the image is huge or you using some lameass codec.. |
| 21:30.20 | ninjaslim | bpun: why do you say that |
| 21:30.31 | bpun | smacnay, should be more like 16.. but it isn't fine for 160meg.. |
| 21:30.45 | bpun | wishes he split his sentences sooner |
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| 21:31.03 | smacnay | honschu, ah... forgot about that! |
| 21:31.10 | raboof | ninjaslim: for me, it's because Debian seems to encourage its users to contribute to the system more - though that's of course not a clear-cut distinction |
| 21:31.23 | honschu | smacnay: You're welcome. |
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| 21:32.37 | raboof | ninjaslim: with debian, you can run 'testing', have a reasonably stable system while still giving you the chance of providing feedback and improvements before things get released |
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| 21:33.11 | raboof | ninjaslim: with ubuntu, you either run the released version (and can't provide much useful feedback), or the development version (which will be much more unstable than Debian's testing) |
| 21:33.42 | ninjaslim | raboof: but doesn't debian have much more dated packages than say ubuntu |
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| 21:33.48 | smacnay | honschu, ha!! The print to ps option was the best I have tried. I forgot all about it. Too bad I couldn't set up my faxmodem as a printer in CUPS. |
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| 21:34.42 | raboof | ninjaslim: of course it depends on whether you're running stable or testing. I think generally stable will be a bit behind and testing will be a bit ahead, on average |
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| 21:35.47 | raboof | ninjaslim: for example testing had the fixed jackd for a long time while intrepid users were stuck with a broken one - luckily they fixed that with jaunty. |
| 21:36.01 | ninjaslim | raboof: i see, and unstable should be avoided at all costs |
| 21:36.35 | honschu | ninjaslim: Why do you need bleeding edge software? |
| 21:37.00 | honschu | smacnay: Yes, why don't you set up your fax in CUPS? |
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| 21:37.47 | raboof | ninjaslim: for general use, yes, just like ubuntu's development version |
| 21:38.27 | honschu | It's always nice to talk about the weather or the distributions in general ,-) |
| 21:38.39 | raboof | honschu: ;) |
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| 21:38.48 | honschu | ^^ this is serious, I like chit-chat |
| 21:38.51 | klbate | raboof: Speaking of jackd, why does the Debian package install a init.d script for it? |
| 21:38.58 | ninjaslim | raboof: now one more thing then, why would one choose Debian over Fedora |
| 21:39.16 | honschu | klbate: because it's a daemon? |
| 21:39.37 | raboof | ninjaslim: I don't really know, I don't have much experience with Fedora |
| 21:39.40 | klbate | honschu: But it's not a system daemon. It's run by users. |
| 21:40.04 | klbate | Like evolution-data-server or pulseaudio. |
| 21:40.09 | honschu | klbate: Good question - I just don't know it. |
| 21:40.13 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 21:40.38 | raboof | klbate: /t |
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| 21:40.40 | raboof | oops |
| 21:40.55 | honschu | ninjaslim: The way it's developed is not mine. I like the community. |
| 21:41.00 | tweek_ | Fedora is awful |
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| 21:41.11 | tweek_ | there, I saved you an hour-long rant in some offtopic channel |
| 21:41.18 | smacnay | honschu, I am not sure how to do this with a faxmodem on a server. |
| 21:41.39 | ninjaslim | tweek_ you want to rant to me in a private message, i'd appreciate it, i've been trying to decide on a distro for so long |
| 21:42.02 | ninjaslim | i'd be using FreeBSD right now as i love it, but unfortunately it doesn't support Matlab which i need now |
| 21:42.06 | honschu | smacnay: I think the cups documentation is pretty shiny. But the way windows clients to add to cups is awful. |
| 21:42.08 | ninjaslim | so out goes FreeBSD |
| 21:42.27 | raboof | klbate: it installs an init script, but jackd isn't started on startup by default |
| 21:42.36 | tweek_ | some people would say Debian is a decent transition |
| 21:42.44 | raboof | klbate: by default it just prints 'Edit /etc/default/jackd to start jackd' during boot ;) |
| 21:42.51 | tweek_ | just realize that even sid packages are like 10 years old goddamn |
| 21:43.14 | honschu | ninjaslim: I like OpenBSD because it's raw, stable and small. But as a desktop-system I like debian with it's debs more. |
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| 21:44.15 | valdyn | klbate: pulseaudio just like jackd can be run in a system mode too |
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| 21:44.56 | ninjaslim | honschu: see i realized that alot of OpenBSD and FreeBSD people like Debian a lot |
| 21:44.59 | raboof | valdyn: uh, i believe klbate's point was that jackd *doesn't* have a system mode :) |
| 21:44.59 | ninjaslim | and i mean alot |
| 21:45.25 | valdyn | raboof: thats something else |
| 21:45.28 | themill | honschu, tweek_, ninjaslim: please use #debian-offtopic or go to a private message. This is very much not on topic for #debian. |
| 21:45.29 | tweek_ | I installed it the other night because VirtualBox support on FBSD isn't the best |
| 21:45.42 | honschu | This "pulseaudio" pops up a good question in my mind. For what is it good? I never used it and can't imagine right now for what this is good. |
| 21:45.49 | tweek_ | but good god the packages must literally be like 2 years behind everything |
| 21:45.56 | valdyn | raboof: i.e. it doesnt need a "system mode" to run in "system mode" |
| 21:46.13 | honschu | tweek_: okok, I'm silent. ;) |
| 21:46.43 | Titan8990 | tweek_, debian is a stability oriented distro, not a bleeding-edge distro |
| 21:46.53 | Titan8990 | tweek_, you should choose the distro that fits your needs |
| 21:47.02 | valdyn | honschu: its just a sound daemon for "normal" use with some neat features |
| 21:47.14 | valdyn | honschu: it doesnt try to be extremely low latency |
| 21:47.19 | ninjaslim | tweek_ pacakges are usually dated in FreeBSD, ports are always up to date |
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| 21:47.53 | raboof | valdyn: afaik running jackd as root will get you into all sorts of trouble - for some reason jack expects its clients to be run by the same user as the server |
| 21:47.54 | valdyn | honschu: stuff i use i dont get elsewhere is runtime switching of output device and volume control on per each app |
| 21:47.59 | johnyarizona | hello everybody! I'd like to setup a opendchub over lan. I see that transfer rate via wire is about 750kB/s and in the middle my netgear router later is getting hiccups (pings about 1k) Is it a issue of network infrastructure? I mean netgears for home use cannot cope with p2p over it? I'm trying to detect all the bottlenecks of my network. One network client is connected by PCMCIA card and pings to router takes ab |
| 21:47.59 | johnyarizona | out 25-30ms. The second client ping reaches router in about 1ms. On both sides dcpp clients were set to 100Mbit uploads. :-> |
| 21:48.11 | valdyn | raboof: i dont know how debian does it or what debian does |
| 21:48.38 | D-Boy | Hi, any idea how to restore a debian system with rsnapshot backup ? |
| 21:49.01 | honschu | valdyn: Software-mixer? xmms can do this. |
| 21:49.11 | valdyn | honschu: xmms is one app |
| 21:49.24 | valdyn | honschu: im talking about volume control per app |
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| 21:49.46 | themill | D-Boy: either copy back or rsync back with the appropriate options to preserve ownership, permissions etc. |
| 21:49.57 | valdyn | honschu: i can redirect any app any time to any output device |
| 21:49.58 | honschu | valdyn: Ok, mplayer can this too. I can't think of a good app that doesn't suppoert software-volume-control. |
| 21:50.17 | honschu | valdyn: Who has two soundcards? |
| 21:50.21 | raboof | honschu: 'centralized' volume control can be nice for stuff like muting all your other sounds when a skype call comes in, and restoring the other applications' volumes afterwards |
| 21:50.32 | valdyn | honschu: as i said, im talking about myself |
| 21:50.39 | honschu | raboof: Okay, that's an argument |
| 21:50.50 | D-Boy | themill : supposed i install a package(not with aptitude) after the rsnapshot (daily) backup it will be removed to with rsync back ? |
| 21:50.57 | honschu | valdyn: You have more than one soundcard? |
| 21:50.58 | tweek_ | there's a point where 'stability' just means 'your system has bugs or oversights fixed years ago that haven't been patched back' |
| 21:51.03 | valdyn | honschu: yes |
| 21:51.04 | raboof | honschu: also, many applications have a volume control that just adjusts the master volume - you won't be able to balance the volumes of 2 such apps |
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| 21:51.28 | honschu | raboof: That's right. But I think these apps are lame ,-) |
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| 21:51.55 | raboof | honschu: still, you can fix all those apps or solve the problem in 1 place, in the sound daemon |
| 21:51.56 | D-Boy | s/package/soft |
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| 21:52.07 | valdyn | its very convenient to have a single panel where you can control all volumes |
| 21:52.34 | themill | D-Boy: if you were copying back onto a freshly formatted partition it would be. If you copy back onto the existing partition then it wouldn't be. I don't normally use rsync for that sort of thing though -- I back up a list of installed packages and data, not the entire system |
| 21:52.35 | raboof | (personally for me, pulse has been nothing but trouble, but the general idea is indeed nice ;) ) |
| 21:53.13 | valdyn | like all of those "modern" apps its hard to debug for many people |
| 21:53.17 | honschu | raboof: Yes okay - a sound daemon is a nice thing if it works. I can imagine now what nice useful things could be done. Thank you. |
| 21:53.23 | valdyn | like network-manager, all this hal or dbus stuff |
| 21:53.23 | shuren | oh cheap SSDs where art thou |
| 21:53.30 | valdyn | its *still* neat though |
| 21:54.31 | honschu | valdyn: That's another topic. Why do we need hal when there is this nice udev around? |
| 21:54.53 | honschu | Okay, I personally don't like xml ,-> |
| 21:54.56 | valdyn | honschu: udev just maintains device nodes |
| 21:54.58 | tweek_ | they do different things, iirc. |
| 21:55.03 | raboof | no problem that can't be solved by adding another layer of abstraction, bringing its own set of problems with it ;) |
| 21:55.10 | tweek_ | also, hal is used beyond Linux and udev |
| 21:55.10 | honschu | valdyn: No, you can do a lot of tricks with it. |
| 21:55.15 | valdyn | honschu: if you dont have hal then *every* application has to have its own code to interpret and scan device nodes |
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| 21:56.21 | valdyn | honschu: you just get something like hal again if you put the hal stuff into udev |
| 21:56.25 | honschu | valdyn: But you have to have dbugs/hal-libs in every app. So is this a feature? |
| 21:56.38 | themill | Except of course that hal is going away in the long term anyway. |
| 21:56.40 | themill | !devicekit |
| 21:56.41 | dpkg | it has been said that devicekit is a new hardware abstraction layer developed by the people at freedesktop.org to replace and correct the perceived shortcomings of HAL (and to use software with a cooler name). |
| 21:56.46 | valdyn | honschu: link against hal libs - sure thats a feature |
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| 21:57.16 | raboof | thought HAL was a pretty cool name :) |
| 21:57.20 | valdyn | honschu: as I understand it, devicekit is just a better hal, its not just going away |
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| 21:57.47 | paxcoder | is "open file" dialog a part of GTK? |
| 21:57.53 | honschu | devicekit, maybe my probably found bug in x.org is related to dbus/hal problems: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2009-August/046854.html |
| 21:57.55 | valdyn | paxcoder: think so |
| 21:57.55 | paxcoder | (and save as, and alike) |
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| 21:58.22 | themill | paxcoder: one such implementation -- other toolkits have other implementations of course. |
| 21:58.28 | honschu | I just thought it was a fvwm bug. By the way: FVWM rules ;-) |
| 21:59.03 | honschu | By the way, FVWM is so brilliant that they took my patch upstream. "SnapAttraction" ;-) |
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| 21:59.47 | honschu | I hope this is not debian-offtopic, because I filed a bug against fvwm in debian. But what do you guys think about FVWM? |
| 21:59.58 | paxcoder | themill: sure. |
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| 22:00.11 | paxcoder | themill: honschu: I guess GtkFileChooser would be it. |
| 22:00.38 | honschu | paxcoder: ? I don't understand what you mean. |
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| 22:01.19 | paxcoder | honschu: That's how the class or something in gtk+ is called. I'm filing a feature request so i need to be specific. |
| 22:01.19 | honschu | No opinion on FVWM? |
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| 22:02.02 | honschu | paxcoder: Okay, I know what the GtkFileChooser is. But where is your point? What do you want? |
| 22:02.16 | honschu | paxcoder: And overall, is this related to FVWM or just another topic? |
| 22:03.17 | paxcoder | honschu: oh, sorry, that was meant to go to valdyn and themill, not you and themill |
| 22:03.25 | paxcoder | is sorry for tagging :-) |
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| 22:04.21 | themill | dpkg, tag |
| 22:04.21 | dpkg | I'm it! |
| 22:04.21 | honschu | paxcoder: no problem. But now I'm interested too. ;-) |
| 22:04.21 | honschu | dpkg, hello |
| 22:04.21 | dpkg | hola |
| 22:04.21 | honschu | ,-) |
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| 22:04.34 | pist_ | dpkg are you a bot ? |
| 22:04.35 | dpkg | pist_: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:04.39 | pist_ | nice |
| 22:05.16 | paxcoder | honschu: i'd just really want to see it capable of removing and renaming dirs and files. I'm not sure how plausible that is though, but it doesn't hurt to try. |
| 22:05.26 | honschu | Do you know alice? It's a chat-bot. Years ago I rewrote some stuff and let it chat as "wendy18" in the irc. It was very funny. ;-) |
| 22:05.54 | paxcoder | oh, and copying and moving. |
| 22:06.34 | paxcoder | honschu: nothing in my logs. must be before my time. |
| 22:06.36 | valdyn | plain gtk+ is just fucking annoyingly hard to code |
| 22:06.45 | honschu | paxcoder: I think the qt/kde-file-dialog can handle this. But overall - isn't this a bit over-feature. I just remember Linux Torvalds patch. |
| 22:06.48 | paxcoder | valdyn: as opposed to? |
| 22:06.51 | valdyn | which is probably why it lacks such features |
| 22:07.31 | valdyn | paxcoder: as opposed to any object system that is implemented in a language that actually supports object oriented programming |
| 22:07.41 | paxcoder | honschu: it's annoying to have to run nautilus each time i want the old file named differently or moved to another div (eg.) |
| 22:07.44 | paxcoder | *dir |
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| 22:08.17 | honschu | paxcoder: You don't use git for this evaluating version process ;) ? |
| 22:08.19 | paxcoder | valdyn: what is GtkFileDialogue? |
| 22:08.34 | valdyn | paxcoder: i dont know exactly |
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| 22:08.46 | planet8 | How do I install the powernow_k7 module, when I use the command "modprobe powernow_k7" I get the error: FATAL: Module powernow_k7 now found. I am running testing. |
| 22:08.54 | honschu | paxcoder: The dialog you get when you do file-open in a gtk app. |
| 22:09.31 | paxcoder | honschu: i meant as in: function, structure, class (it's C, right? so no [real] classes) - i think valdyn got my question |
| 22:09.42 | valdyn | paxcoder: its very real classes |
| 22:09.48 | honschu | planet8: Is the module in the libs dir? is it "depmodedded" ? |
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| 22:09.55 | valdyn | paxcoder: but its implemented in a language that does not support classes |
| 22:10.01 | paxcoder | valdyn: o.O |
| 22:10.11 | paxcoder | so they made C classes? |
| 22:10.16 | honschu | ,) |
| 22:10.26 | planet8 | honschu, how do I check that? |
| 22:10.27 | valdyn | paxcoder: which results in you easily having to write hundreds or even thousands of lines of boilerplate code for something thats just few lines in C++ or java |
| 22:10.38 | honschu | struct is kind of a class in my opinion - okay, not really... |
| 22:10.58 | paxcoder | honschu: well combine it with function pointers, and you're not far off |
| 22:11.01 | valdyn | paxcoder: and all that with no compile time checking |
| 22:11.02 | paxcoder | *i'm guessing |
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| 22:11.20 | paxcoder | valdyn: I'll take that as a yes |
| 22:11.29 | valdyn | paxcoder: yea |
| 22:11.31 | planet8 | honschu, no it isn't in the libs dir. |
| 22:11.40 | honschu | I didn't know that #debian could be so funny ,-) |
| 22:11.41 | valdyn | !vala |
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| 22:11.58 | Bardamu | hello |
| 22:12.17 | honschu | planet8: So it's no wonder that "modprobe MODULE_THAT_IS_NOT_INSTALLED" fails. Don't you think so too? |
| 22:12.26 | Bardamu | fatal server error detected gpu lockup I have when i do startx |
| 22:12.31 | valdyn | paxcoder: its still beautiful in my opinion though, im not trying to demean it |
| 22:12.59 | planet8 | honschu, I haven't been messing with modules before. How do I get the powernow_k7 module then? |
| 22:13.32 | honschu | Bardamu: Yes, that's not so funny. Does X work in general with your graphic card? |
| 22:14.00 | paxcoder | valdyn: GTK is? Or C? I lost you. BTW Did you work with any other widgets toolkit? |
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| 22:14.09 | valdyn | paxcoder: gtk+ is |
| 22:14.29 | honschu | planet8: I have no clue what "powernow_k7" module is. So, maybe you have to build your own kernel. |
| 22:14.31 | valdyn | paxcoder: java |
| 22:14.41 | planet8 | honschu, thanks :-) |
| 22:15.04 | honschu | planet8: By the way: What should "powernow_k7" do? |
| 22:15.31 | raboof | all GUI frameworks that I've seen somehow give the feeling that we're doing something terribly wrong there |
| 22:15.42 | paxcoder | :_D |
| 22:15.48 | pingouin | what tool can i use to compare the content of 2 directory ? (like diff for files) please |
| 22:16.00 | valdyn | pingouin: diff -R ? |
| 22:16.04 | valdyn | pingouin: or cmp |
| 22:16.27 | raboof | the OO ones tend to have to introduce weird and terribly complicated abstractions |
| 22:16.51 | honschu | raboof? OO? |
| 22:16.56 | valdyn | !oo |
| 22:16.56 | dpkg | methinks oo is normally "object oriented", but lately it's come to mean "Open Office" too. If you meant the latter, ask me about <openoffice>. |
| 22:17.05 | bpun | pingouin, probably rsync has a test option |
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| 22:17.31 | raboof | honschu: 'with classes' :) |
| 22:17.38 | honschu | raboof: I love qt and think they use c++ in a really cool way. |
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| 22:17.46 | pingouin | thanks valdyn |
| 22:17.52 | pingouin | thanks bpun |
| 22:18.52 | paxcoder | pingouin: if [ "`ls DIR1`" == "`ls DIR2`" ];then echo "same"; fi |
| 22:19.26 | honschu | So what do you guys think about FVWM? |
| 22:19.32 | paxcoder | that's called a hack, i can do better things, honest :-) |
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| 22:20.41 | paxcoder | wish i knew what ICCCM was |
| 22:20.44 | lolufail | hi everyone! |
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| 22:20.56 | pingouin | paxcoder: whaou ;) |
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| 22:21.34 | lolufail | I've experience with postfix and exim, but I want something easy to administrate, with web-interface, yet still light-weigt... is there something like that? |
| 22:21.35 | paxcoder | pingouin: only, that's only going one level deep |
| 22:22.28 | Bardamu | honschu, i don't knoz |
| 22:22.32 | Bardamu | know |
| 22:22.40 | paxcoder | pingouin: you need the -R switch for it to work as you want it to. |
| 22:22.42 | honschu | knoz is pretty cool either ,-) |
| 22:22.55 | pingouin | paxcoder: yep, thank you |
| 22:22.58 | Bardamu | my graphic card is nvidia agp 8x 6800 |
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| 22:23.15 | paxcoder | np |
| 22:23.24 | nsadmin | lolufail: why a web interface? |
| 22:23.27 | bpun | pingouin, there's also komparator... but that's gui hog probably... |
| 22:23.51 | pingouin | bpun: thanks you, but i rather have it on command line |
| 22:24.21 | honschu | Bardamu: I don't know if you need a xorg.conf for your setup. But I think the "nv" driver should handle your card. So just have a look at the Xorg.0.log in /var/log and do the things you need to get it running. |
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| 22:24.36 | lolufail | nsadmin: or via CLI, I just detest the whole useradd && passwd && vi postfix.virtual etcetcetc stuff :( |
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| 22:25.07 | nsadmin | you could use adduser instead of useradd |
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| 22:25.17 | bpun | honschu, actually x now doesn't require an xorg.conf to work.. |
| 22:25.44 | nsadmin | will your users be able to use a shell? |
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| 22:26.28 | lolufail | hmm is there besides writing a shellscript :D? |
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| 22:26.36 | honschu | bpun: Depends on the hardware and needs. For example: My monitor doesn't send it's correct screensize and then you end up with a wrong dpi without a xorg.conf. |
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| 22:27.05 | valdyn | or just just run xrand -dpi whatever in ~/.xsesssion |
| 22:27.34 | honschu | valdyn: I would call this a hack. |
| 22:27.46 | valdyn | honschu: well, its not |
| 22:28.16 | honschu | valdyn: So every user should know that my monitor is broken? |
| 22:28.22 | valdyn | honschu: though theres gui tools that do it more convenient in any desktop environment |
| 22:28.35 | simonrvn | yup, since we're all mind readers here ;p |
| 22:28.42 | lolufail | so everyone of you guys without controlpanel is actually going though useradd && passwd && edit virtual.postfix ?! |
| 22:28.53 | honschu | valdyn: They don't use the same desktop environment? |
| 22:29.09 | simonrvn | lolufail: like a sane person yes |
| 22:29.35 | valdyn | honschu: every desktop environment has system wide defaults too |
| 22:30.02 | valdyn | honschu: but i dont even know how to set those conveniently, im just saying that xorg.conf isnt needed, it may be convenient for you though |
| 22:30.07 | honschu | valdyn: What about not using a desktop environemt and just using a window manager? |
| 22:30.07 | lolufail | simonrvn: adding 10 users is a bitch without tools, you gotta admit that :D |
| 22:30.30 | simonrvn | that's what scripts are for |
| 22:30.37 | honschu | valdyn: Yes, I know that it will be obsolete one day. But overall I don't like hal ;-) |
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| 22:30.45 | valdyn | honschu: then you can use xrandr or xorg.conf |
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| 22:31.01 | simonrvn | but something like cpanel is *not* sane |
| 22:31.31 | simonrvn | it fills a gap, but i wouldn't use it. |
| 22:31.45 | paxcoder | pingouin: actually, it won't work with -R because it prints out the root dir as well, and since they are different, it won't print out same. Also it's insensitive to filesize, but I guess you can fix that with a -s |
| 22:31.50 | valdyn | lolufail: debian recommends adduser, not useradd |
| 22:31.50 | nsadmin | lolufail: you can make tools yourself... on the other hand you could try googling for something like... mail server debian web admin interface |
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| 22:32.41 | nsadmin | on the other hand if you're writing a script, I'd go for newusers and usermod |
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| 22:33.05 | paxcoder | pingouin: I guess learning rsync would be the best then (if it can do it), but I can't help you there. alternatively maybe tar (not sure) |
| 22:33.06 | nsadmin | maybe you don't need usermod unless you want to do group stuff |
| 22:33.24 | lyhana_8 | hi, i'm trying to upgrade a readyNAS duo fron sarge to stable (currently lenny). How should I proceed ? |
| 22:33.33 | honschu | pingouin: I would just ls and awk and/or md5 the dir files into a textfile and diff them. |
| 22:33.40 | pingouin | paxcoder: i tweak your little script with >out1.txt >out2.txt to have the listing of the 2 directory i want to compare in a text file, then i add a diff -W 200 -y out1.txt out2.txt |
| 22:33.50 | bpun | valdyn, if someone were to ask an xorg.conf question, i would also wonder if it works without an xorg.conf.. true an xorg.conf may be used to optimize the X setting-- in response to xrand -dpi in ~/.xsession-- i happen to use nvidia-settings-rc under my gnome start session settings.. and then use nvdia-settings bin to make changes to it.. it works great.. :) |
| 22:33.55 | pingouin | honschu: something like that |
| 22:33.58 | valdyn | lyhana_8: read the docs to upgrade to etch, then do it, after that repeat for etch -> lenny |
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| 22:34.01 | honschu | heeh, yeah |
| 22:34.23 | paxcoder | pingouin: or you can hack away :-) |
| 22:34.24 | lolufail | hmm I want to avoid a mysqldb for emails |
| 22:34.34 | lolufail | I'll just write something |
| 22:34.41 | bpun | valdyn, x has really been shaping up with xorg.conf, a great advancement, but still no integration tools for brightness/contrast that are easy to find for the new user.. |
| 22:34.51 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: some people seem to do the jump from sarge to lenny using 'stable' in sources.list |
| 22:34.52 | valdyn | bpun: yea |
| 22:35.01 | valdyn | lyhana_8: thats unsupported, it doesnt work |
| 22:35.03 | bpun | (rather x shaping up as for not having to require a premade xorg.conf and by the use of X -configure) |
| 22:35.04 | pingouin | and i got my 2 dir listed/compared all i wanted ;) was to check backup/original |
| 22:35.20 | valdyn | lyhana_8: you can do alot of funny and stupid things with debian |
| 22:35.23 | pingouin | too much files to check |
| 22:35.31 | valdyn | lyhana_8: and you may even do them successfully with deep knowledge |
| 22:35.36 | valdyn | lyhana_8: dont do it though |
| 22:35.37 | paxcoder | pingouin: wait, if you use R, it's still not the same. |
| 22:35.38 | lyhana_8 | ok, so a 2 step upgrade |
| 22:35.50 | bpun | pingouin, actually the deb refcard does the trick.. i abuse it alot for finding files.. |
| 22:35.53 | valdyn | lyhana_8: theres a kernel upgrade involved with a reboot |
| 22:35.57 | paxcoder | lemme ask in #bash |
| 22:36.08 | valdyn | lyhana_8: thats where people tend to fuck up, not reading the docs |
| 22:36.21 | pingouin | bpun: deb refcard ? |
| 22:36.28 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: that's where I always fucked up :D |
| 22:36.28 | lolufail | or, since this server is a virgin, any !lightweight solution for mail/imap/pop inkl webfrontend etc? |
| 22:36.33 | valdyn | dpkg: sarge -> etch |
| 22:36.34 | dpkg | valdyn: no idea |
| 22:36.38 | bpun | pingouin, yeah.. its here http://xinocat.com/refcard/ |
| 22:36.41 | lolufail | any tipps? :D |
| 22:36.43 | valdyn | dpkg: etch -> lenny |
| 22:36.43 | dpkg | valdyn: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:36.46 | valdyn | wtf |
| 22:36.49 | valdyn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 22:36.49 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
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| 22:36.59 | valdyn | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 22:36.59 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <etch release notes>. The recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the procedure in the release notes. Also ask me about <etch security>. It's time to put those upgrade plans into action, as Sarge security support ended on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). |
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| 22:37.06 | bpun | !refcard |
| 22:37.06 | dpkg | i heard refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 22:37.33 | nsadmin | and I'll just add, if you're upgrading, READ the RELEASE NOTES |
| 22:37.45 | Floops[w] | !ipv6 |
| 22:37.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, available in Debian since <potato>, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/, or to get rid of it, ask me about <noipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 22:37.55 | nsadmin | if you don't, you might be sorry |
| 22:38.22 | valdyn | lyhana_8: if any of the docs to sarge->etch reference stable you need to replace "stable" with "etch" |
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| 22:38.38 | lyhana_8 | ok~ |
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| 22:41.23 | phorce1 | I have a system that is having issues booting from the CD. Trying different hard drives I got it to boot from one that someone installed ubuntu on. If I can figure out how to get the files moved over is there a way to do a debian Lenny install from the command line of that boot? The problem I see is that an install will want to format the drive that it's booted from so ...? |
| 22:41.51 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-debian-sarge-to-debian-etch.html doesn't seem to be any kernel tweak involved :S |
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| 22:42.43 | valdyn | lyhana_8: you can have a 2.4 kernel in etch, lenny does not support 2.4 kernels |
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| 22:43.12 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: I'm running a 2,6,17 |
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| 22:43.50 | valdyn | lyhana_8: then you might still need a newer 2.6 kernel for some things in lenny, i dont know exactly |
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| 22:44.16 | valdyn | lyhana_8: that one shouldnt get in the way when upgrading though iirc |
| 22:44.23 | honschu | phorce1: Sure it should work somehow. But isn't is more easy to try a usb-stick or fix the cdrom? Do you set the BIOS-Flag to boot from cd? |
| 22:45.23 | lyhana_8 | here is what I got trying to install aptitude (full process) : http://pastebin.com/d5927001d |
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| 22:45.45 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: my kernel is : 2.6.17.8ReadyNAS |
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| 22:46.17 | paxcoder | pingouin: there's a dirdiff :-) but has to be installed. |
| 22:47.05 | valdyn | judd: versions aptitude |
| 22:47.06 | judd | valdyn: aptitude -- etch: 0.4.4-4 lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1 squeeze: 0.4.11.11-1+b1 sid: 0.4.11.11-1+b2 experimental: 0.5.3.1-1 |
| 22:47.06 | paxcoder | ls -R doesn't do it for you I hope you understand that. |
| 22:47.17 | valdyn | judd: versions libc6 |
| 22:47.17 | judd | valdyn: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.9-23 squeeze: 2.9-23 |
| 22:47.57 | valdyn | lyhana_8: whats in /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 22:48.26 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: how do I know my arch ? |
| 22:48.34 | phorce1 | honschu: this is an old, funky. touchscreen system. No boot from USB. The hard drive is laptop IDE with only one connector so only one drive can be connected. The CD/DVD is a SCSI attached to a SCSI card that is plugged into the one-and-only single PCU slot (which is on a riser, not actually on the main board) |
| 22:48.36 | valdyn | lyhana_8: run "arch" |
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| 22:48.49 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/d7fc29bf9 |
| 22:48.56 | pingouin | paxcoder: nice thanks |
| 22:49.11 | valdyn | lyhana_8: you need to remove that stuff from /etc/apt/preferences to upgrade |
| 22:49.22 | valdyn | lyhana_8: i dont know why you have a special non-debian libc6 |
| 22:49.24 | phorce1 | honschu: and, yes, I've been through the system BIOS and the SCSI acrd bios making sure the DVD drive is set as bootable |
| 22:49.47 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: I'm using a readyNAS |
| 22:49.57 | valdyn | lyhana_8: i dont know it |
| 22:50.37 | honschu | phorce1: But you have two harddrives? One that can boot and the other where debian should be installed together attached to the device? |
| 22:51.24 | phorce1 | honschu: no, one single hard drive that just happens to have a copy of ubuntu installed that was acceptable to the system |
| 22:51.51 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: I'm a bit worried, I work through ssh and some step show that ssh will be removed : http://pastebin.com/d51127855 |
| 22:51.54 | phorce1 | I may try doing a Lenny base install on that drive by hooking it to another system and see if that will work |
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| 22:52.24 | honschu | phorce1: Ooohhh, ... one easy step would be just to install debian on a harddrive with another pc and then swap the devices. |
| 22:52.31 | valdyn | lyhana_8: apt-get or aptitude dont always get the right solution |
| 22:52.42 | valdyn | lyhana_8: try "apt-get install aptitude openssh-server openssh-client" |
| 22:52.51 | boty | !play daedalusx64 |
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| 22:53.16 | valdyn | lyhana_8: try "apt-get install aptitude openssh-server openssh-client dpkg sysvinit" |
| 22:53.21 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: those lines worried me a lot : |
| 22:53.22 | lyhana_8 | The following packages will be REMOVED: dpkg openssh-client openssh-server sysvinit |
| 22:53.30 | lyhana_8 | ok |
| 22:54.00 | boty | <html><head> |
| 22:54.00 | boty | <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> |
| 22:54.00 | boty | <link rel="stylesheet" href="null"><style TYPE="text/css"><!--BODY { background: #000040; } |
| 22:54.00 | boty | .para1 { margin-top: -42px; margin-left: 145px; margin-right: 10px; font-family: "font2, Arial"; font-size: 30px; line-height: 35px; text-align: left; color: #E1E1E1; } |
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| 22:54.21 | valdyn | lyhana_8: i think you should have installed the aptitude from sarge first, but lets see what you get |
| 22:54.37 | honschu | gn8 |
| 22:54.51 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/d33940bfc |
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| 22:55.23 | valdyn | lyhana_8: add apt to the line |
| 22:55.53 | lyhana_8 | same |
| 22:56.31 | valdyn | lyhana_8: you seem to have a "dpkg" that is already newer than etch |
| 22:56.46 | valdyn | judd: versions apt |
| 22:56.47 | judd | valdyn: apt -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1 etch-security: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1 lenny: 0.7.20.2 lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1 squeeze-security: 0.7.20.2+squeeze1 squeeze: 0.7.21 sid: 0.7.22.2 |
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| 22:57.01 | valdyn | lyhana_8: your dpkg is from lenny |
| 22:57.09 | lyhana_8 | o.O |
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| 22:57.34 | valdyn | lyhana_8: change your sources.list to lenny, see how that goes |
| 22:58.57 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: my dpkg version talked about sparc... http://pastebin.com/d283f1b83 |
| 22:59.16 | valdyn | lyhana_8: thats ok, its not relevant right now |
| 22:59.17 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: 'arch' isn't installed |
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| 22:59.19 | lyhana_8 | ok |
| 22:59.34 | valdyn | lyhana_8: the only thing im worried about is that you might actually need a custom libc6 |
| 23:00.03 | lyhana_8 | how could it be ? |
| 23:00.05 | Agiofws | is there a way to view this route or map in googlearth ? http://www.rout.gr/index.php?name=Content&page=google-map ? |
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| 23:00.16 | valdyn | lyhana_8: i dont know your hardware |
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| 23:00.58 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: http://netgear.nas-central.org/wiki/Category:ReadyNasDUO |
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| 23:01.23 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/59221 |
| 23:01.39 | valdyn | lyhana_8: you have a funny broken system it seems, im reading you cant upgrade to lenny anyway |
| 23:01.50 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: with lenny rep it seem ok |
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| 23:02.00 | themill | Agiofws: ECHAN? |
| 23:02.13 | twisted` | could someone be so kind and pastebin me the contents of /etc/rsyslog.d/sshd.conf ? |
| 23:02.23 | bpun | Agiofws, why do you drive a girl's bike? |
| 23:02.23 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: "cant upgrade to lenny", how that ? |
| 23:02.27 | valdyn | lyhana_8: be sure you have a backup that you can restore |
| 23:02.32 | Agiofws | themill, ? echan ? |
| 23:02.44 | themill | Agiofws: wrong channel |
| 23:02.46 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: I haven't any data on this system yet |
| 23:02.48 | Agiofws | bpun, thats not a girls bike :P |
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| 23:03.10 | valdyn | lyhana_8: i mean a way to restore a working debian |
| 23:03.50 | bpun | Agiofws, the last two posts had to do with miscellaneous googleeartth issue and a silly bike.. you should ask yourself what you're trying to invoke.. |
| 23:03.54 | lyhana_8 | yep the system can't reinstall full OS and factory setting valdyn |
| 23:03.56 | valdyn | lyhana_8: lenny libc6 seems likely to break your system |
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| 23:04.06 | Agiofws | bpun, first issue |
| 23:04.10 | valdyn | lyhana_8: you can "can" ? |
| 23:04.14 | valdyn | lyhana_8: you mean "can" ? |
| 23:04.21 | nsadmin | you can cancan? |
| 23:04.32 | bpun | wonders about the nondebian Commerialization of Agiofws |
| 23:04.49 | Lelac-- | someone know how install ebox 1.2 on debian? |
| 23:04.52 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.00 | Agiofws | ebox ? |
| 23:05.02 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: yep can reinstall, sorry |
| 23:05.03 | bpun | Agiofws, do you know what "miscellaneous" means? |
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| 23:05.22 | bpun | Agiofws, it means nobody knows.. |
| 23:05.27 | Agiofws | means something from all categories ? |
| 23:05.30 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.32 | valdyn | lyhana_8: so just go ahead... |
| 23:05.38 | lyhana_8 | I'll give a shot and see what happen :) |
| 23:05.53 | danijel | o w chuja ale ludzi |
| 23:05.56 | valdyn | lyhana_8: however what im reading is "The CPU used in sparc based ReadyNAS systems is 32-bit sparcv8 compatible. Lenny only supports 64-bit sparcs.." |
| 23:06.03 | themill | Agiofws: probably still the wrong channel to ask. /msg alis *google* |
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| 23:06.22 | superlinux | hi |
| 23:06.26 | danijel | hi |
| 23:06.31 | Agiofws | hi |
| 23:06.41 | danijel | :* |
| 23:06.44 | lyhana_8 | hihihi... |
| 23:06.52 | superlinux | how can i let any user use only loop mounts? |
| 23:06.59 | valdyn | lyhana_8: you already got a custom kernel though, that seems to be sufficient |
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| 23:07.25 | valdyn | lyhana_8: now the question remains if your lenny libc6 would crash or not |
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| 23:08.02 | superlinux | any user in debian usually when he tries to do: mount -o loop -t iso9660 blah blah, he just cant |
| 23:08.18 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: how could I know that ? |
| 23:08.29 | valdyn | lyhana_8: by trying or googling |
| 23:08.33 | Lelac-- | yes, I don't want migrate to ubuntu and I would like know how install ebox 1.2 debian |
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| 23:09.02 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: by trying I mean, what should I do to check ? |
| 23:09.25 | superlinux | guys? |
| 23:09.40 | superlinux | any answers to my question? |
| 23:10.00 | Arrowmaster | oh crap im an idiot and i think i just royally fuck up my system by breaking libc6, dpkg cant even run so i dont know how to fix it |
| 23:10.02 | superlinux | i just dont want to let setuid flag on mount |
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| 23:16.57 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/d6e8cbbc6 how do I do this ? |
| 23:17.25 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:21.57 | lindenle | Will encrypted LVM make my machine a lot slower? |
| 23:22.23 | lindenle | The install formatting seems to be taking forever |
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| 23:24.33 | Titan8990 | lindenle, i would say so if you had it on something like /usr |
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| 23:25.04 | lindenle | Titan8990: I am doing the crypto LVM from the installer |
| 23:25.13 | lindenle | Titan8990: I think it does all partitions... |
| 23:26.49 | lindenle | This is really really slow.... |
| 23:26.51 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/d123e82db here seem the problem |
| 23:26.58 | lindenle | does not seem normal to me.... |
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| 23:27.52 | bpun | is a little tired of hearing "seems normal to me" like it was a puberty issue |
| 23:28.17 | bpun | says in technical language, you need to be specific |
| 23:28.29 | bpun | in a good clean and decent fashion |
| 23:28.45 | bpun | lindenle, be clean! |
| 23:29.07 | bpun | lindenle, either you can say what the commands results, or be clearer dude |
| 23:29.27 | valdyn | lindenle: securely initialising crypto volumes *is* very slow |
| 23:29.34 | valdyn | lindenle: hours to days |
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| 23:41.16 | BumfunMC | i wanted to install gnash but iceweasel still used flash-nonfree. i tried to erase all flashplugins but still about: plugins mentions «libflashplayer.so» and i am able to use youtube. libflashplayer.so doesnt exist on /. can anyone help? |
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| 23:41.39 | lyhana_8 | valdyn: any idea about this problem : http://pastebin.com/d123e82db |
| 23:41.44 | blendmaster1024 | how to i make a debootstrap with my debian cds? |
| 23:42.39 | blendmaster1024 | i have 25 of the cds and dont want to waste that by downloading everything again |
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| 23:47.17 | BumfunMC | can anyone please help? i wanted to install gnash but iceweasel still used flash-nonfree. i tried to erase all flashplugins but still about: plugins mentions «libflashplayer.so» and i am able to use youtube. libflashplayer.so doesnt exist on / |
| 23:47.44 | abrotman | update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 23:48.40 | blendmaster1024 | BumfunMC: i have the same problem, try using konqueror or the gnome web browser |
| 23:48.41 | BumfunMC | cool, there is a tool. i edited the /etc/alternatives myself once :P |
| 23:49.29 | abrotman | BumfunMC: this does assume you have gnash installed |
| 23:49.50 | BumfunMC | abrotman: flash-mozilla.so is linked to /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so . the program says «only one package provides the file» |
| 23:49.54 | abrotman | more specifically mozilla-plugin-gnash i believe |
| 23:50.12 | abrotman | BumfunMC: if you use about:plugins .. what happens ? |
| 23:50.17 | abrotman | erm ... what does it show? |
| 23:50.34 | BumfunMC | abrotman: it says Shockwave Flash Dateiname: libflashplayer.so |
| 23:50.44 | BumfunMC | not libgnashbla.so |
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| 23:51.17 | BumfunMC | i try to reinstall gnash now |
| 23:51.39 | abrotman | does libflashplayer.so exist on your system? have you restarted your browser since you removed it ? |
| 23:52.09 | BumfunMC | abortman: restarted via killall xulrunner-stub as root and iceweasel& as user |
| 23:52.23 | BumfunMC | libflashplayer does not exist according to find |
| 23:52.36 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 23:52.52 | BumfunMC | strange isnt it :D |
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| 23:53.07 | abrotman | the killall xulrunner-stub .. yeah |
| 23:53.08 | BumfunMC | find / -xdev -name libflashplayer.so: no result |
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| 23:54.10 | abrotman | you only have / and /home ? |
| 23:54.12 | BumfunMC | xulrunner-stub is the iceweasel browser |
| 23:54.26 | BumfunMC | yes, two partitions |
| 23:54.32 | abrotman | on my system, it's called iceweasel |
| 23:54.59 | abrotman | erm .. firefox-bin |
| 23:55.17 | abrotman | someday .. maybe they'll fix that |
| 23:55.33 | BumfunMC | i can start «iceweasel» but after i selected a profile and the browser itself starts there is only xulrunner-stub in the processlist |
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| 23:56.56 | abrotman | i'm just trying ot make sure iceweasel is really dead |
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| 23:58.14 | HSorgYves | evening; can i use MAILTO in a cron job with multiple email addresses? |
| 23:58.38 | BumfunMC | xulrunner has the same pid that /.../firefox-bin has |
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| 23:59.36 | BumfunMC | lsof | grep firefox replies nothing |