IRC log for #debian on 20090812

00:00.11BumfunMCi neither have flash nor gnash installed and can still use youtube
00:00.27justinBumfunMC: sure about that? what does about:plugins say?
00:00.51ajaviddid you by any chance install a flash plugin in  ~/.mozilla/plugins
00:00.52ajavid?
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00:01.01ajavidmaybe its coming in from there (if you did it)
00:01.27BumfunMCjustin: about:plugins doesnt change (libflashplayer.so)
00:01.47BumfunMCajavid: you must be right. i check that
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00:01.59ajavidI *may* be right
00:02.13BumfunMCfind . -iname libflashplayer.so
00:02.13BumfunMC./.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
00:02.20BumfunMCdamn
00:02.42superlinuxany user in debian usually when he tries to do: mount -o loop -t iso9660 blah blah, he just cant
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00:02.48superlinuxi just dont want to let setuid flag on mount
00:02.57superlinuxhow can i let any user use only loop mounts?
00:03.04ajavidI'm not sure, what is pmount?
00:03.22ajavidpmount is a wrapper around the standard mount program which permits normal users to mount removable devices without a matching /etc/fstab entry
00:03.38superlinuxok
00:03.40ajavidyou could look into it, and then educate me later on too ;)
00:03.41superlinuxthanks
00:04.00superlinuxajavid, do you arabic ?
00:04.12superlinuxajavid, do you know arabic ?
00:04.19ajavidso I speak it, sometimes, do I understand my parents, yes, can I write it? no
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00:04.40ajavidsuperlinux, I can read the Quran but only barely
00:04.40BumfunMCis gnash or swfdec faster?
00:04.46ajavidsuperlinux, Urdu is my native language
00:04.59ajavidsuperlinux, same script, Nastalique, but diff language, very similar to arabic
00:05.06superlinuxi know, your name shows it
00:05.15ajavidmy name is farsi actually :)
00:05.17ajavidyou were close
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00:05.44superlinuxajavid, we have a channel dedicated for arabs #linuxac
00:05.49ajavidcool
00:06.28abrotmanBumfunMC: possibly libswfdec
00:06.29superlinuxajavid, your are welcome anytime to join us
00:06.31ajavidright now I'm trying to drop some classes, friday is the last day, classes start monday! ahhh boy, im around here and there, you can hilight me if you need me
00:06.40ajavidsuperlinux, thank you very much, shukran
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00:07.11superlinuxajavid, do you know any urdu based linux forum?
00:07.39ajavidsuperlinux, a few, mainly ubuntu developers in the linux-pakistan.net forum
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00:07.50superlinuxaha
00:08.02omologoshi
00:08.10omologosi've got a problem installing debian
00:08.13superlinuxwe have many. but I think now it's centralized in linuxac.org
00:08.20ajavidsuperlinux, we're offtopic
00:08.24abrotmani'll say
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00:08.36ajavidsuperlinux, this is speficially for debian support, you can chat with us in #debian-chat
00:08.38omologosi downloaded the amd64 net install vertion
00:08.41superlinuxok
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00:08.48omologosbut when i boot it tells me
00:08.49ajavidomologos, try one long line with many sentences
00:08.59omologosok
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00:09.39omologosThis kernel requieres an x86-64 cpu but only detected an i686 cpu
00:09.59ajavidomologos, you don't have an amd64 capable cpu it seems
00:10.03ajavidomologos, which processor do you have?
00:10.14omologosbut i don't see that processor in the list of options
00:10.16ajavidomologos, well, whatever it is, you need x86
00:10.23ajavid386
00:10.23omologosi've got an intel core duo
00:10.33omologosoh
00:10.39omologoshow do you know
00:10.40omologos?
00:10.43zinxcore duo is 32-bit only
00:10.48zinxcore 2 duo is amd64
00:10.50ajavidcore2 is em64t
00:10.52ajavidright
00:11.03abrotmanomologos: what is your CPU model number?
00:11.08justinpretty sure intel does not make an amd64 cpu
00:11.18ajavidjustin, its called EM64T
00:11.21omologoshumm x86 is also not an option
00:11.25zinxjustin: they do, they just call it em64t instead
00:11.36zinxjustin: they have also called it x86-64 and intel-64
00:11.45abrotmanor intel64 or x86_64 .. or whatever they decide this week
00:11.47omologosabrotman: i don't know
00:11.48zinxjustin: not to be confused with ia64, which is a different architecture that failed
00:11.52ajavidhehehe this week
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00:12.03abrotmanomologos: it's your computer .. look in the BIOS
00:12.07zinxjustin: but it's really just amd64 with some minor differences ;D
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00:12.44Kalturianhi all
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00:13.26omologosabrotman: so do i'll go to the bios and check for cpu model number for what?
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00:13.32Kalturianhi all
00:13.38omologoswill you then tell me what vertion to download?
00:13.42rain_Kalturian: hi
00:13.51abrotmanomologos: sure .. but it's likely amd64 or i386
00:13.51TheEvilOnecan you use ubuntu repos on a debian install?
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00:14.03ajavidTheEvilOne, no, no and NO!
00:14.07Kalturiansomeone knows where can I find the pkg for installing php 5.2.6 on debian?
00:14.07omologosi've already downloaded  amd64
00:14.11omologosand it failed
00:14.13ajavidTheEvilOne, well can you? sure, should you, definitely ont.
00:14.14rvalles00:11:48 < abrotman> or intel64 or x86_64 .. or whatever they decide this week
00:14.16rvallesamd64.
00:14.17abrotmanomologos: so try i386
00:14.21omologosok
00:14.23abrotmanrvalles: huh ?
00:14.24TheEvilOneok well can you install newest versions of software on a debian install
00:14.26rvallesoriginal name, and amd's invention
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00:14.40abrotmanrvalles: what *intel* calls it .. not everyone else
00:14.42rvallesdoesn't think any of the other names are valid names
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00:14.48ajavidTheEvilOne, testing/squeeze more than likely is what you want
00:14.57ajavidTheEvilOne, stable will not have latest softwares
00:15.00Kalturiansomeone knows where can I find the pkg for installing php 5.2.6 on debian?
00:15.03rvallesyeah, intel avoids giving credit to amd on purpose
00:15.04rvalles;P
00:15.09abrotmanjudd: versions php5
00:15.09juddabrotman: php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 sid: 5.2.6-5 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 sid: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3 squeeze: 5.2.9.dfsg.1-4 sid: 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2 experimental: 5.3.0-2
00:15.10TheEvilOneno i mean can i get software from websites and compile and install myself ?
00:15.11pflanzeIn KDE, is there a way to swap windows with Alt-Tab in an immediate way, instead of only displaying the outline shapes and the window list popup?
00:15.17abrotmanKalturian: lenny has 5.2.6
00:15.19ajavidKalturian, aptitude install php5
00:15.27ajavidKalturian, for apache libapache2-mod-php5
00:15.31abrotmanTheEvilOne: you can .. but it's better to use the packages usually
00:15.43omologosabrotman: i see a large list of cd torrents at: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/bt-cd/
00:15.47omologoswhich is the one?
00:15.48TheEvilOneyea but i hear the software is real out of date
00:15.53ajavidTheEvilOne, there is a thing called backports
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00:15.53ewethi, how can I share a folder with two users where the sub-folders won't get the creating user as owner/group? I'd like to have it one and the same group at least. I want Windows' Shared Folders if you like.
00:15.53ajavidTheEvilOne, /msg dpkg bpo
00:15.56abrotmanomologos: just get the netinst ?
00:16.05TheEvilOnei have only used ubuntu and fedora
00:16.09omologosok
00:16.19TheEvilOneam thinking of switching to debian as i here it is faster and less bloated???
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00:16.34zambahow can i check if my kernel supports 802.1q (vlan)?
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00:17.17ajavidTheEvilOne, in my personal experience, and I don't want to be bashing any distros, but ubuntu is extremely unstable, horrible, randomly crashes, system lockups, you name it.  When it comes to stability you can't beat debian
00:17.28ajavidwell you can, but its up there with the most stable oses
00:18.19MartinCleaveris there another repo that has etch php5 5.2.6 +?
00:18.22TheEvilOnehow is debian compared to gentoo
00:18.24abrotmanTheEvilOne: maybe you should just try it
00:18.29MartinCleaverWe don't want to upgrade to lenny yet
00:18.30ajavidTheEvilOne, try google
00:18.46ajavidTheEvilOne, 'gentoo vs debian' something like that anyway
00:19.00abrotmanMartinCleaver: you could backport it yourself
00:19.08Titan8990zamba, modprobe 8021q
00:19.15MartinCleaverI suppose I can just install from source?
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00:19.38ajavidyou could
00:19.46TheEvilOneok i notice there is like 20 cd iso for amd64 which ones do i need?
00:19.54ajavidTheEvilOne, cd1 should be good
00:19.54abrotmanMartinCleaver: or you could upgrade to lenny
00:19.58abrotmannetinst!
00:20.02Titan8990TheEvilOne, netinst
00:20.15ajavidTheEvilOne, either netinst or cd1
00:20.24ajavidTheEvilOne, /msg dpkg ig
00:20.31ajavidTheEvilOne, read the debian install guide as well please
00:20.46TheEvilOneam trying but is rather huge
00:20.57ajavidyou can't learn everything in one day
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00:21.00Titan8990netist is only around 150mb
00:21.10abrotmani think he meant the install guide
00:21.15TheEvilOneso debian install is much more comlplex then ubuntu i take it
00:21.26MartinCleaverlooks like http://www.dotdeb.org/2009/03/11/php-529-is-packaged-at-last/ has 5.2.9+
00:21.27ajavidnot really
00:21.30Titan8990its the same installer if use ubuntu alternate
00:21.36ajavidMartinCleaver, I would NOT use those packages
00:21.41abrotmanMartinCleaver: please don't use those
00:22.02MartinCleaveroh, why not?
00:22.10ajavidthey are not o fficial and not supported here
00:22.25ajavidyou may face potential problems
00:22.32ajavidwho knows...
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00:23.24MartinCleaverwell, I suppose I could diagnose the memory problem I'm having using it, and back it out
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00:23.35MartinCleaverif it works, and replace with a source install
00:23.53Titan8990MartinCleaver, you can add the source repo for lenny, download the source, and run dpkg-buildpackage then install
00:24.14ajavidMartinCleaver, /msg dpkg ssb
00:24.30MartinCleaveroh, is it fairly easy then?
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00:24.30MartinCleaverdoes so
00:24.30ajavidMartinCleaver, just use the lenny deb-src
00:24.38ajavidMartinCleaver, very easy, just a few steps
00:25.04ajavidMartinCleaver, obviously, ssb is a simple backporting technique, don't blindly use those sid repos, get it from lenny (stable)
00:26.04MartinCleavertries to understand "1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list."
00:26.12MartinCleaveris sid=php5?
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00:27.23MartinCleaverreads http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/php5.htm
00:27.41TheEvilOneso is squeeze testing or unstable?
00:28.32abrotmantesting
00:28.41TheEvilOneso if i download all 6 dvd .iso images I have all the software in the repos and wont need a net connection to isntall anything
00:28.54abrotmanunless you want contrib/non-free software
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00:29.34edzogolyhello
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00:30.13zambai'm trying to add a vlan to a physical interface by issuing the command 'vconfig add eth5 55' (which - in theory - should add vlan 55 to the physical interface eth5..
00:30.25ajavidMartinCleaver, deb-src http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ lenny main <- add this to sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get build-dep php5, apt-get -b source php5, dpkg -i *.deb
00:30.27zambathis returns: ERROR: trying to add VLAN #55 to IF -:eth5:-  error: Invalid argument
00:30.38zambai have loaded the 8021q module into the kernel
00:30.39ajavidMartinCleaver, not that hard
00:30.47MartinCleaveris concluding this is not as easy... /me gets update from ajavid, and is thankful
00:30.55ewetseriously no friggin' idea?
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00:31.39abrotmanewet: put them both in a group .. make the dir group writable ?
00:31.42ajavidMartinCleaver, 1) you tell debian that you want to add a source package repository, not binary package, so we put in a deb-src line for lenny in sources.list
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00:32.01ajavidMartinCleaver, 2) we update, and then we use apt-get build-dep to satisfy the dependencies needed to build php5
00:32.09MartinCleaverat the start of the file, I assume
00:32.36ajavidMartinCleaver, 3) apt-get -b source php5 will download the php5.2.9 source packages from debian repository, and build it into an installable php5.2.9 .deb file
00:32.50ajavidMartinCleaver, finally you install the .deb files with dpkg -i *.deb or whatever filename you want
00:32.53ajavidMartinCleaver, i hope that explains it
00:33.11MartinCleaverok, I'm doing. Let's see whether I understand!!
00:34.35ajavidalso, do it in like  ~/tmp or something
00:34.51MartinCleaverE: Failed to satisfy Build-Depends dependency for php5: libcurl-dev
00:35.05ajavidlooks like you need to backport this dev lib then... unlucky
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00:35.12ajavidMartinCleaver, just upgrade to lenny
00:35.18ajavidMartinCleaver, it will be less headachy
00:35.52MartinCleaverok. I think I'll get them to give me a lenny virtual machine
00:36.00MartinCleaveras this is an etch one
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00:36.18MartinCleaverthen it's not my problem, and I don't mess up the other software running on the same box
00:36.26MartinCleaverthanks ajavid
00:36.28ajavidgood stuff, you tell em
00:36.30ajavidanytime
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00:37.09ewetabrotman, yeah and then user1 will just create a dir with no access to user2... or I'll teach them how to compromise their filesystem by changing the owner/group for every dir themselves - great
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00:37.57abrotmanewet: shouldn't that only happen if you set the sticky bit ?
00:38.05abrotmanewet: oh i'm sorry .. i misread ..
00:38.12abrotmanewet: set the sticky bit
00:38.23abrotmanewet: i thought you wanted to let them create dirs the other couldn't read
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00:39.07teckhi
00:39.18ewetabrotman, no this dir is absolutely free for anyone (and unsecure) -- sticky hmm okay I'll see
00:39.39abrotmanewet: you mean .. like /tmp/ ?
00:40.08shyam_kok, now i have installed via netinstall cd,well what i did is to choose laptop and "base system" on choosing software and didn't choose desktop environment. but later i read that its better to install gnome first and then upgrade to sid. Now i have done apt-get install gnome. Now i am on gnome. To upgrade to sid, i just want to change /etc/apt/sources.list as s/lenny/sid/ and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade,right?
00:40.25ajavid!dnuts
00:40.26dpkgwell, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq>
00:40.32ajavid!tell shyam_k -about sid faq
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00:40.54MartinCleaverSo where's the best place to download a Lenny vmware virtual machine image?
00:41.01shyam_kajavid: i want to have the latest gnome and kde.. i know it is not stable et al..
00:41.05bpunshyam_k, stop lying.. newbiews are not told to upgrade to sid ever
00:41.20bpunshyam_k, fine it's not stable.. good luck
00:41.28abrotmanbpun: they are by people that don't know any better
00:42.02abrotmanwhich seems obvious by the fact that they told them to install gnome and then dist-upgrade
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00:42.13bpunabrotman, sheesh :).. btw thanks for helping me out with that login issue..
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00:42.18ewetabrotman, a public folder where you can dump you music for others to listen to and stuff
00:42.29abrotmanbpun: eh ?
00:42.31ajavidshyam_k, if anything you can use squeeze
00:42.40abrotmanbpun: i didn't get your memo for a few days .. wasn't me :)
00:42.41bpunabrotman, are you and enouf in truce? lol
00:42.43ajavidshyam_k, you will have kde 4.2  i tink
00:42.47ajavidjudd versions kdebase
00:42.48juddajavid: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 squeeze: 4:4.2.4-1 sid: 4:4.3.0-1
00:42.56abrotmanewet: yes .. like /tmp/ ?
00:42.57ajavidyup, 4.2
00:43.08abrotmanewet: you want like me to be able to create files .. but you can't delete them ?
00:43.11abrotmanjust look at them
00:43.18ajavidjudd, within a month or so maybe kde4.3 will move into squeeze
00:43.19juddajavid: Error: "within" is not a valid command.
00:43.21ajaviddangit
00:43.28ajavidshyam_k, within a month or so maybe kde4.3 will move into squeeze
00:43.29bpunabrotman, it wasn't you? why you hate me? why did i ever do to you?
00:43.46abrotmanbpun: i didn't ban you, i didn't unban you .. i have no idea what you're talking about .. i wasn't around
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00:43.58DeSianany way to install kde without KDM with aptitude?
00:44.10abrotman!tell DeSian about install kde
00:44.11bpunabrotman, i read the memoserv indicated to me u read it on a wednesday :)
00:44.18abrotmanDeSian: start with smaller metapackages
00:44.20ewetabrotman, wait I got stuck...
00:44.24abrotmanbpun: i thought you'd been unbanned by then
00:44.34bpunabrotman, lol.. ok..
00:44.35abrotmanbpun: really .. had nothing to do with me .. sorry
00:44.50DeSianabrotman, i know but with kde-minimal , the kdm be installed auto..
00:45.00bpunabrotman, but you didn't even check the banlist :( *sniff... you so cruel..
00:45.11ajavidminimal? oh i dunno nothing bout kde4
00:45.27ajavid!install kde
00:45.27dpkgFor KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest.  To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers.  For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall.  See also <kde version> <install kde4>
00:45.31bpun!tell abrotman about kindness
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00:45.37abrotmanbpun: please stop
00:45.38ajavidnope, its not updated to reflect kde4
00:45.43bpundpkg is mean!
00:45.43dpkgbpun: bugger all, i dunno
00:45.55ajavidi see
00:46.04ajavidDeSian, /msg dpkg install kde4
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00:46.43ajavidDeSian, afaik, kde-minimal is for kde4 and not the one in stable
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00:46.43bpuni finally got my xinerama display..
00:46.59bpundam it's cool.. just wished i can have xinerama in plain console.. but not sure where to look
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00:47.08ewetabrotman, of course... you're so right :)
00:47.27ewetpebkac solved
00:47.39DeSianajavid, thnx, but there is no new thing about my question, "can install _KDE without kdm with aptitude"
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00:48.01ajavidI don't know, I don't use kde4
00:48.02helohow can i get a newer firefox (iceweasel) for sid?
00:48.12DeSianajavid, the stable is toooo old for desktop.
00:48.26ajavidhelo, hmm.. use/backport the one from experimental
00:48.26DeSianwas never stable user on Desktop :)
00:48.36ajavidhelo, experimental has 3.5.1-1
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00:48.47heloawesome
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00:48.50ajavidhelo, the maintainer may  have an updated 3.5.2 on his blog, I'm not sure
00:49.39ajavidI have not checked in a while
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00:49.39ewetabrotman, is there a nice convention where to put such a dir? /var, /public? just in case someone else sees this system ;)
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00:49.47ajavidewet, /usr/local sounds logical ?
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00:49.53phixG'day
00:49.53abrotmanewet: yes .. /tmp/
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00:50.13phixabrotman: I know you!
00:50.14abrotmanewet: except it gets cleaned out at boot time .. just make another dir .. give it hte same perms
00:50.14abrotmanphix: you do?
00:50.21bpunphix, does he treat you better than me?
00:50.31bpunphix, i heard he fights enouf
00:50.35abrotmanbpun: please knock it off .. it has nothing to do with this channel
00:50.38ajavid!seen enouf
00:50.39dpkgenouf <~enouf@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 13h 40m 6s ago, saying: 'dr|z3d: shame, isn't it?'.
00:50.39Kalturianajavid, No matches were found.
00:50.42phixbpun: heh
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00:50.53bpunphix, he's funny isn't he?
00:51.01phixabrotman: I forgot which chan though, I dont think it was this one
00:51.04ajavidman that dude is here 24/7 and all of a sudden hes like hardly around
00:51.05bpunabrotman, chill, we're joking..
00:51.15DeSianthe gnome is good, but i dont like some package like evolution, if i remove it remove the Desktop Einv-- completely * GO.. dam"
00:51.17bpunajavid, lol
00:51.22abrotmanphix: #php? #postfix?
00:51.33ewetabrotman, ajavid: well, at least not /tmp okay then thanks  :)
00:51.36abrotmanajavid: those stats are from OFTC
00:51.44ajavidabrotman, oh
00:51.54phixabrotman: #java? #ubuntu? maybe postfix, exim or cyrus, I was in there a few weeks ago
00:51.56abrotmanewet: you could make like a /home/export/music/ .. and make it 1777 like /tmp/
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00:52.09abrotmanphix: neither of the first two ..
00:52.13ajavidjava, unlikely
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00:52.18ajavidubuntu, definitely not
00:52.21phixheh
00:52.22bpunabrotman, so why didn't you unban me? i actually didn't take any fighting sides.. i always remain neutral in any silly disputes.. and yet you can't laugh.. laugh for once!!
00:52.34abrotmanbpun: end of discussion .. knock it off ..
00:52.37ajavidbpun, dude... seriously
00:52.38ajavidfuck.
00:52.42ajavidquit being a chic.
00:52.51phixheh
00:52.58ewetabrotman, yeah I thought of that.. or /public or something in /usr/local (but I normally only have libs in there)
00:52.59bpunhmm
00:53.09helothanks, works :)
00:53.10bpuner .. just seing the mood level. :)
00:53.16abrotmanewet: in /home/ is probably a better idea
00:53.20bpunmild very mild ..
00:53.34ajavidbpun, keep it business only and you'll be alright
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00:53.41ajavidbusiness meaning debian support
00:55.00bpunajavid, y, u should of seen all these people saying how much they like windows 7.. which rocked my boat..  so ahem.. the only business is debian to me :)
00:55.05ewetabrotman, yeah home -- now that I see it!
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00:55.35bpunajavid, and to my dismay i got banned for complaining about some winbloze people not sticking to business...
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00:55.49ajavidbpun, yes you've cleared yoru position
00:55.56ajavidbpun, lets move on
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00:56.21bpunajavid, i just clear off the reason why i got banned..
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00:56.28bpunajavid, business at first..
00:56.28ajavidbpun, ok, good stuff
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00:56.33ajavidbpun, lets talk debian now
00:56.57bpunajavid, well nobody is helping out about my xinerama business.. i did ask a question quite a few minutes ago..
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00:57.09ajavidbpun, it got lost in channel traffic, please ask again
00:57.16bpunnm
00:58.09bpunguesses some of you never heard the possibility of multi monitors for plain console..
00:58.21ajavidfor console, no, I've not heard it, used it
00:58.32ajavidI have 2x 24" lcd on Xorg
00:58.36ajavidthats about it
00:58.49ajavidbut in cli, both monitors just display the same thing
00:59.06ajavidbpun, if you figure out how to do this in cli/console, let me know too
00:59.11bpunajavid, i know.. that's why i'm asking..
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00:59.29bpunajavid, it's obvious to me i have a cloned textual screen..
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01:03.41Frygg|Aw|AwHi all
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01:04.21Frygg|Aw|AwHow i can press Continue if i dont have mousse ? (In graphique install for debien lenny 5.0.2 i386)
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01:04.46taiyedbrodelTab
01:04.54taiyedbrodeluntil you highlight the option
01:05.16taiyedbrodeltho there should be a pointer...
01:05.22Frygg|Aw|AwOk thx taiyedbrodel
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01:06.09taiyedbrodelnp
01:06.39ajavidprefers text install
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01:08.08taiyedbrodelI prefer the just install
01:08.17taiyedbrodelneither text nor graphical
01:08.25ajaviduh
01:08.27ajavidok
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01:10.18taiyedbrodeldo you know which codec allows me play m4a files?
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01:11.00jimi_hendrixhow would i mark a package as installed with dpkg
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01:11.12bpuntaiyedbrodel, aren't m4a's just text files?
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01:12.26taiyedbrodeli don't think so
01:12.34taiyedbrodelit's definitely an audio file
01:13.59bpuntaiyedbrodel, "Since MPEG-4 Part 14 is a container format, MPEG-4 files may contain any number of audio, video, and even subtitle streams, making it impossible to determine the type of streams in an MPEG-4 file based on its filename extension alone"
01:14.07bpuntaiyedbrodel, i was perusing sometihng online..
01:15.14taiyedbrodelwell, these m4a definitely contain audio file, I have played them before, I just did a fresh install but I can't remember which codec did the worl
01:15.17taiyedbrodelwork*
01:15.18bpuntaiyedbrodel, if all the codecs you tried do not work.. u may want to poke with realplayer for linux..
01:15.32jimi_hendrixanyone?
01:15.34bpuntaiyedbrodel, but i have no idea how beneficary realplayer really is..
01:15.36justinbpun: realplayer, seriously?
01:15.37taiyedbrodelI haven't really installed any
01:15.45bpunjustin, i know, i never needed it..
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01:15.58bpuntaiyedbrodel, have you tried everything?
01:16.09taiyedbrodelno no no, I have played m4a previously on my debian, I just can't remember which codec was
01:16.14bpuntaiyedbrodel, meaning totem, vlc, mplayer, etc..
01:16.31justintaiyedbrodel: both mplayer and vlc will tell you what the codec is
01:16.36taiyedbrodelexaile use to play it
01:16.39taiyedbrodelused*
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01:18.56bpuntaiyedbrodel, try totem, it may tell u which codecs u still need to install, (probably something with gstreamer)
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01:19.33taiyedbrodelyeah, it should be a gstreamer, I just don't want to install a bunch of them to find out the last one I install is the one that works
01:19.45jimi_hendrixno one?
01:20.15justinjimi_hendrix: install it
01:20.40abrotmanjimi_hendrix: /var/lib/dpkg/status .. be careful
01:20.43jimi_hendrixtheres no way to mark it installed without installing it...like if i installed a package from source
01:20.46jimi_hendrixabrotman, ok
01:21.06jimi_hendrixabrotman, dont worry
01:21.34abrotmanyou'll give me an ucler
01:21.35abrotmanulcer
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01:22.37jimi_hendrixabrotman, xD, i am not doing this on my real system, i have a fake one setup and am hacking it to pieces for fun
01:22.48abrotmangood plan
01:24.22dbentonvirtual machine for the win?
01:24.59abrotmanfor testing ?
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01:29.52omologoshello again
01:30.36omologosthe debian installer tells me i need iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode
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01:31.04omologosso i can use my wireless connection, where can i get it?
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01:31.17abrotmando you need it to finish the install ?
01:31.18jimi_hendrixdebian repo
01:31.26abrotmanor do you have a wired network to do it for now ?
01:31.29jimi_hendrixomologos, can you pm me after you install and tell me what you did
01:31.36jimi_hendrixi can never get that step to work
01:31.42jimi_hendrix(even with the package
01:31.57omologosjimi_hendrix: sure
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01:32.25omologosabrotman: i don't know if it's needed, i'm just too coward to continue without the internet connection
01:32.39abrotmanomologos: do you have a wired connection or not ?
01:32.46omologosno
01:33.04omologosit's wireless
01:33.06jimi_hendrixomologos, same situation here :)
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01:33.23omologosjimi_hendrix: have you got the .ucode ?
01:33.38jimi_hendrixno
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01:33.42jimi_hendrixbut i know where to get it
01:33.50omologoswhere?
01:34.10abrotmanyou'd have to get a few packages from the repos and put htem on a usb stick
01:34.26omologoswhich??
01:34.31abrotmanwhich what ?
01:34.35abrotmando you have a USB stick ?
01:34.37omologoswhich packages?
01:34.39omologosyes
01:34.39abrotmanhttp://www.debiantutorials.org/component/content/article/56-peripherals-on-your-debian-lenny-computer/252-wireless-on-debian-lenny-net-install-iwl4965
01:35.08abrotmanor
01:35.09ajavidhm
01:35.11abrotman!installer firmware
01:35.11dpkgThe Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick.  See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to .  To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware
01:35.23abrotmanuh .. the third link i think
01:35.25ajavidthere is a guide on the debian wiki on how to add firmware to your netboot's initrd
01:35.46ajavidoh there it is
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01:36.09jimi_hendrixomologos, http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=HOWTO-iwlwifi
01:36.38omologosthank you both, i'll take some time to read now
01:36.39abrotmanjimi_hendrix: the link above that i gave has the 'debian' way to do it
01:36.54omologosok
01:36.57jimi_hendrixabrotman, i know, i was link hunting and didnt see that
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01:58.55phixbah! when is python 2.6 coming to Debian?
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01:59.26abrotmanit is already there
02:00.14phixabrotman: where? in unstable or something?
02:00.26phixor do I need to make a custom deb package?
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02:01.06abrotmanjudd: versions python2.6
02:01.06juddabrotman: python2.6 -- experimental: 2.6.2-2
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02:04.34flourishhi, i am coming again :-)
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02:05.46flourishhowto patch a deb package and then install it to my own system
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02:06.04flourishjust as install it with apt-get
02:06.13abrotman!tell flourish about source
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02:08.05flourishabrotman: for source, when install it will usually install into another location and cannot remove with apt-get purge
02:08.17abrotmanhuh?
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02:15.36manu_hackgot this when doing apt-get upgrade: update-alternatives: error: alternative link /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so is already managed by flash-mozilla.so.dpkg-new.dpkg-new.
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02:16.20manu_hackany quick fix on that one?
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02:25.45ajavidflourish, yes, from upstream source
02:26.04ajavidflourish, obviously apt-get only works on debian packages
02:26.29ajavidflourish, look at what the bot told you
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02:29.44ewet_did I get any answers? lag killed me :/
02:30.07ajavidewet_, not since last I looked in here
02:30.34ewet_ajavid, okay thanks
02:30.39ajavidyup
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02:37.57Stian1979Hello I'm back again to see if anyone here can help me with my hotkey's
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02:40.42ajavidStian1979, ask your problem again please
02:40.56ajavidI mean question, or state, whatever makes better English sense
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02:43.03markybobjust about any way makes more sense than assuming that we all were here and remember wtf he was talking about hours before
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02:44.38ajavidmarkybob, heh
02:44.45Stian1979ajavid: My problem is that I have a few hotkeys that DON't generate keykodes
02:44.59ajavidlets try something
02:45.04ajavid!tell Stian1979 -about ask
02:45.18ajaviddon't make us ask obvious questions, provide more info
02:45.26ajavidask a good question to get a good answer
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02:46.34shyamshell runnin apt-get dist-upgrade got closed accedintially.. how to clearly unlock the locks it has put?
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02:46.57Stian1979I have 4 hotkeys that don't generate keykodes. I used xev and it don't grep any keykodes
02:47.06abrotman!info lineakd lenny
02:47.08simonrvn"keycodes"
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02:47.43dpkglineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 106 kB, Installed size: 456 kB
02:47.58shyamargh i stil have that process apt-get dist-upgrade running but with the shell closed
02:48.04shyamany magics? abrotman ?
02:48.17abrotmanshyam: retty
02:48.25shyamretty?
02:48.27shyamretry?
02:48.27MarupaHello, everyone, I'm trying to do a apt-get upgrade, and it won't finalize it, the linux kernel won't install, it says there's no space on the device, yet none of my partitions are full.  What's going on?
02:48.49ajavidretty
02:48.52abrotmanshyam: of course .. you'd have to be able to install it ..
02:49.03abrotmanshyam: is it downloading? just kill it
02:49.07shyamok..
02:49.14shyamdownload is over.. it was asking some questions..
02:49.14markybobMarupa, you might be delusional.
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02:49.24Marupamarkybob: I doubt that.
02:49.29markybobshyam, kill -KILL pid
02:49.29ajavidstop
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02:49.35shyamdone
02:49.49shyamits saying me to use -f
02:49.50markybobshyam, then dpkg --configure -a
02:49.52ajavidMarupa, paste error messages
02:50.04ajavidMarupa, what says what is full?
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02:50.31Stian1979lineakd is installed my dear friends, but there is nothing this keys produce that my system reads
02:50.35shyammarkybob: not re running apt-get dist-upgrade?
02:50.52ajavidshyam, that or apt-get -f install
02:51.02shyamsure thanks!
02:51.11markybobshyam, i generally fall back to dpkg when apt-get fucks up. apt-get -f install would probably work as well
02:51.32abrotmanajavid: if the system has started doing installs already .. the dpkg --configure -a is usually a better way to go
02:51.47shyamjust apt-get dist-upgrade fails with error code(1) on libc6;-)
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02:51.52ajavidabrotman, oh ok
02:52.04shyamso going with dpkg --configure -a
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02:52.37shyamerrors where encountered while libbonobo-2 and locales
02:52.59sonixau2hey people, does anyone know of a way to fix the gnome session manager issue in testing, had the problem for about 3 weeks.
02:53.04Marupadpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.26-2-486_2.6.26-17lenny1_i386.deb (--unpack): failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/2.6.26-2-486/kernel/sound/isa/snd-es18xx.ko': No space left on device
02:53.04dpkgmarupa: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
02:53.09shyamah ok it still says debconf is locked by some other process..
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02:53.21Stian1979I don't think they are suported by asus laptop module. I nead help to find a way to read the event, it has to generate some kind of signal to bios, and send on some kind of adress that the kernel don't read on.
02:53.22abrotmanusing which lock file?
02:53.25Marupathat's the error line.
02:53.33shyamchecking what to do with that..
02:53.44abrotmanMarupa: is /tmp/ full ?
02:53.52shyam<PROTECTED>
02:53.57Marupa3% usage.
02:54.29Marupa...wait a minute...
02:54.42shyamhow to unlock the lock at /var/cache/debconf/config.dat?
02:54.47Marupaah ha.  io error on device.
02:55.03shyamdebconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
02:55.10markybobshyam, kill the parent process. lsof
02:55.16Marupaso maybe my raid's crapping out or something.
02:55.40shyamlsof | grep apt-get?
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02:55.52Marupayeeeep.  One of my drives crapped out.
02:55.56shyamgives nothing!
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02:56.04shyamps ax | grep apt-get gives nothing too
02:56.07shyamstill lock is there..
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02:56.28shyamshould i touch it or something?:)
02:56.33shyamjust a wild guess that is..
02:56.33SuperMiguelim trying to install debian and i get an error on my 3 hds saying soft reset failed drive not ready, it will let me install and it seems fine but what does this error mean?
02:56.34MarupaThanks for the help, guys!
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02:57.28campassireboot to computer, windows style
02:57.33campassi*the computer
02:57.52campassithat oddly fixes some issues i have sometimes...
02:58.03ajavidps auxf|grep dpkg
02:58.08shyamhow does /var/cache/debconf/config.dat gets locked if an unfinished apt-get dist-upgrade is killed?
02:58.29ajavidis it running somewhere?
02:58.35ajavidin a diff tty or something?
02:58.44ajavidoh unfinished
02:58.47ajavidoh yeah, nm you're that dude
02:58.48ajaviddoh.
02:59.41shyamyeah thanks ajavid it has /bin/sh -c /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true and /usr/perl/ -w /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure --apt and [dpkg-preconfigu] <defunct> running!!
02:59.47shyamshould i kill those too?
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03:00.00ajaviddefunt
03:00.08ajavidits a zombie, you need to kill the parent
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03:00.14ajaviddefunct
03:00.27shyami should kill defunct one?
03:00.31shyamok..
03:00.33ajavidit won't die
03:00.35ajavid!ppid
03:00.36dpkgi heard ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid"
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03:01.01shyamzombies have question marks listed after pid when you do ps ax right?
03:01.10ajavidstatus Z flag
03:01.13shyamall those three process have ? after pid
03:01.24ajavidkill them all
03:01.32shyamoh then the first two have S status and defunct has Z
03:01.33ajaviddun dun dun
03:01.44shyampishkavu
03:01.57ajavidps with auxf shows a tree list of sort
03:02.03ajavidit shows you the parent of the Z ?
03:02.12ajavidkill it
03:02.25shyamall killed
03:02.30manu_hackhi, recently always got update-alternatives: error: alternative link /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so is already managed by flash-mozilla.so.dpkg-new.dpkg-new. when doing apt-get upgrade, any quick fix on that one?
03:02.32ajavido
03:02.33ajavidok
03:02.41ajavidapt-get -f install and apt-get upgrade
03:02.55shyamback!!!
03:02.57shyamthanks!
03:02.59ajavidnp
03:03.37shyamuse dash as system default shell? yes;-)
03:03.54ajavidI don't know how dash differs from bash
03:03.58ajavid!dash
03:03.58dpkg[dash] a <POSIX> compliant shell that is much smaller than bash offering faster script execution and boot time.  For new installations of squeeze and later, dash will be the default /bin/sh.  To switch old installations, "dpkg-reconfigure dash".  To check if your existing scripts will work OK with dash, use checkbashisms from devscripts and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
03:04.04shyamnm.. i went with dash..
03:04.05abrotmanshyam: if you don't know any better .. it probably won't hurt you
03:04.09ajavidoh no shit
03:04.11ajavidword
03:04.18abrotmanunless you have lots of custom scripts that use bash-isms
03:04.21shyamyeah just a comment.. am ok with it..
03:04.42Kamping_Kaiseri thought dash still carried a few extentions over posix?
03:05.22markybobwhat does posix have to do with bash compatibility?
03:05.49abrotmanmarkybob: it doesn't try to be bash compatible AFAIK ..
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03:05.59ajavidactively try
03:06.05markybobabrotman, you're right.
03:06.07shyamearlier coming on irssi said i am banned from debian what can be the problem?
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03:06.17ajavidroot
03:06.20shyamnow i have to go to cli again as i have to upgrade glibc without gdm.
03:06.20ajaviddon't irc as root
03:06.27shyamic..;-) (hehe)
03:06.31shyamhides..
03:06.50markybobabrotman, i didnt mean that it did.  i just didnt understand his comment
03:06.53shyamsee ya there..
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03:07.28abrotmanah ok
03:07.36happyaronhi, could anyone tell where I can find a guide to pack a package from only binary files?
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03:08.56gravityhappyaron: You can use the new maintainer's guide to learn the basics of making a debian package. It's the same process really, you just won't have a build step.
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03:09.22happyarongravity: oh
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03:10.12shyam_okay.. /me is shyam
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03:10.37bcwhi.  i'm trying to get the "darcs-server" package to work on my lenny install.  i've followed the directions here: http://darcs.net/manual/node3.html#SECTION00330000000000000000   but no joy.  when i add the symlink, darcs.cgi gives no output.  when i remove it, it says "Available Repositories" and nothing else
03:10.42shyam_i have just done /etc/init.d/gdm stop but re-running apt-get dist-upgrade still says gdm is running
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03:11.14bcwanyone had the same problem?
03:11.57abrotmanbcw: you might want to check the Debian docs in /usr/share/doc/dars-server/
03:12.02abrotmanerm .. darcs-server
03:12.08shyam_it will manage on its own killing gdm right?..
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03:12.19bcwabrotman, i have, but there's nothing debian-specific there
03:12.20shyam_gives yes to upgrade glibc
03:12.26abrotmanbcw: just a suggestion
03:12.40manu_hacknow cant install flash on Squeeze because of the update-alternative error ...
03:13.05bcwabrotman, yes, i understand. just making it clear that i've tried to solve it myself.
03:13.12bcwand can't
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03:13.21ajavidmanu_hack, you are not on stable. your first job on testing+ is to look on the bug tracker
03:13.35GinoManis there a channel for debian specifically on arm?
03:13.36ajavidmanu_hack, if you dont find it there, then use reportbug to file a bug report
03:13.53abrotmanGinoMan: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net
03:13.58ajavidmanu_hack, then wait for the maintainer to fix the bug or downgrade the package (if its on snapshots /msg dpkg sdn)
03:14.12ajavidmanu_hack, then curse at yourself for not using stable :)
03:14.13GinoManthanks
03:14.41manu_hackajavid: i know, it's just a little slow this time, a week pasts and the bug still there :)
03:14.56ajavidmanu_hack, suck it up or use lenny
03:14.57ajavid:)
03:14.57manu_hacknow i miss stable
03:15.21shyam_manu_hack: isn't missing flash better?
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03:15.28ajavidlol
03:15.33ajavidshyam_, nice... :)
03:15.53shyam_ajavid: hi 5;-)
03:16.13manu_hackshyam_: some websites need that ...
03:16.17ajavidmanu_hack, try this, before you run upgrade, remove the flash packages
03:16.24ajavidmanu_hack, then upgrade should not complain
03:16.47ajavidmanu_hack, lastly, download the adobe flash player tar.gz. unpack and copy the .so file to ~/.mozilla
03:16.55ajavider.. ~/.mozilla/plugins
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03:17.04ajavidmanu_hack, (this may or may not help)
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03:17.13manu_hackajavid: thx
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03:18.36flourishwhat does the S3 mode mean when hibernate the system
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03:18.46shyamdammnn.. power gone in between:(
03:18.46shivrajyou can also copy the .so file to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
03:19.01ajaviddo not copy it there
03:19.11shivrajajavid: why not ?
03:19.18ajavidleave system wide locations alone
03:19.19markybobflokuehn, # S3: Commonly referred to as Standby, Sleep, or Suspend to RAM. RAM is still powered.
03:19.23markybobflokuehn, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface
03:19.28ajavidit will be fine in ~/.mozilla/plugins
03:19.35markybobgoogle is so wonderful
03:20.27flourishmarkybob: thanks:-)
03:20.38ajavidactually
03:20.40ajavidI'm an idiot
03:20.53ajavidmanu_hack, why can't you simply hold (/msg dpkg hold) the flash plugin packages
03:21.00sophacleshey all... i have a hard drive failing, which contains the root fs of my debian install.  i have a new drive to which i want to move my root fs. is there a proper way to do this, as things like /dev seem tricky to move (if needed) ?
03:21.04ajavidI dunno man, I'm just throwing stuff out there
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03:21.49markybobsophacles, /dev isnt even real.  it's virtual and depends on your hardware
03:22.04ajavid!debian clone
03:22.04dpkgOne method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup>
03:22.09ajavidi dunno if this applies
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03:22.43markybobsophacles, just use whatever hd upgrade software came with your new drive.  heck, most of those softwares run linux (as seagate's does)
03:23.16sophaclesmarkybob, its oem... it came with packing shipping foam :)
03:23.16markybobhttp://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=DiscWizard&vgnextoid=d9fd4a3cdde5c010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD
03:23.24markybobso download and burn that iso
03:24.42markybobsophacles, http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=DiscWizard&vgnextoid=d9fd4a3cdde5c010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD  there's the linux-bootable iso
03:24.51markybobsophacles, oops, http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/222712/seagate.iso
03:25.14bcwi have to do some things.  i'll be back later (if i can't figure out my problem)
03:25.22Gokee2Hello all I am trying to play a radio station from live365 and it says " Cannot find an installed Adobe Flash control"  flash seems to work perfect everywhere else, I have the flashplugin-nonfree version 1:2.6 installed.  Anyone have any idea what "Adobe Flash control" is?  Thanks
03:25.51markybobGokee2, flash control is flash activex.  iow, you need ie
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03:26.37Gokee2markw, Ah I see, that's annoying.  I guess I will forget about using live365 then.
03:27.32sophaclesmarkybob, you rock, thanks for the help!
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03:29.38ajavidmanu_hack, thought about an idea if u are interested
03:29.45ajavidi mean
03:29.49ajavidmarkybob, *
03:29.57markwGokee2: huh?
03:30.21markwGokee2: ah, tab imcompletion
03:30.30ajavidmarkybob, a brand spanking new ncurses libtorrent client in python
03:30.42Gokee2markw, Woops sorry :)
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03:31.26ajavidmarkybob, btw, which parts of deluge-torrent were you responsible for?
03:31.26markybobajavid, you know that deluge has a console ui, right?
03:31.29ajavidmarkybob, no i did not
03:31.48markybobajavid, *was*.  i no longer am.  i was the lead developer for about a year
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03:32.34ajavidI know, as I said "were"
03:32.36ajavid:)
03:32.58KavanSmarkybob, nice....epic software
03:33.06markybobajavid, yeah, sorry.  it's a sore subject :(
03:33.09shyamgnome don't have openoffice by default..:(
03:33.22markybobKavanS, thanks
03:33.25ajavidits not part of gnome
03:33.35ajavidit is in debian however
03:33.46ajavidaptitude install openoffice.org
03:33.49KavanSmarkybob, definitely enjoy it....switched after azureus when all rogue, deluge was a pleasant upgrade
03:34.10shyamsure.. but it takes time again;-)
03:34.39ajavidfirst time I met markybob was in here, about 2 years ago or so, he was bitching about the deluge maintainer doing stupid shit
03:34.45ajavidand it was actually pretty stupid hehe
03:34.53SuperMiguelguys im getting a softreset failed error.. any idea what that error is?
03:35.03ajavidSuperMiguel, google it
03:35.04markybobthat guy was a moron :)  the new maintainer is pretty great
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03:35.15shyamsuggests emacs to be included in base system install
03:35.24SuperMiguelajavid, google doesnt know
03:35.24shyamisn't it worth to have another OS inside one?
03:35.26shyam;-)
03:35.38SuperMiguelajavid, alot of people having the issue no one knows what it is  :)
03:36.01ajavidI usually always google erroe messages so i figured i'd tell you do that if you hadn't already
03:36.12ajavidthis error message is new to me, I don't know whats up
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03:36.36ajavidSuperMiguel, you are on debian, but its a genera linux question possibly, try ##linux as well perhaps someone on a diff distro may know
03:36.41ajavidi dunno
03:36.48SuperMiguelajavid, if u have a sec read this: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=213230
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03:37.05SuperMiguelajavid, alot of people w this issue and no one knows
03:37.24shyampretty interesting to note. the number 9 not have the horizontal line on this cli
03:37.31shyambug with console font..
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03:38.48markybobajavid, http://pidgin.im/~sadrul/ss/apps.html
03:39.21shyamC-x o isn't working in irssi how to jump to paste to that url on irssi?
03:39.22markybobajavid, that's in addition to the null ui console client that officially comes with the client
03:39.25shyam;-)
03:39.56ajavidcool
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03:41.04devine__SuperMiguel: I responded to you in #fedora
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03:51.00tawananyone have a slick "low battery" solution for openbox/debian on a laptop?
03:53.15markybobtawan, buy a new battery?
03:54.04tawanwell, that wasn't what i meant, but lol..
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04:14.39shyamthere is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf in sid?!!
04:14.51Kamping_Kaiserno
04:15.00Kamping_Kaiserxorg now magically works, or it magically fails.
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04:17.40MarupaHey everyone, false alarm on it being a fix.  the newest linux kernel still won't load, still says no space left on device, despite there being space left on the device.
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04:18.56|Scorp|hello
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04:19.39|Scorp|how install tv tuner express card 34mm for debian lenny?
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04:22.21MarupaWhat could cause the kernel to not unpack properly/throw an error saying there's no space left, if there is a lot of space left?
04:22.27flourishi install cyrus-imapd with the source file and follow the 3 step: ./configure && make && make install. Now i want to remove all files that have been installed, how can i do
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04:22.48flourishb.t.w in the Makefile, there is no uninstall target
04:24.19ctmjr|Scorp|: try this http://www.linuxtv.org/repo/ or http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
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04:27.24ajavidMarupa, didn't we just go over this
04:27.35ajavidMarupa, you said you had a defective device in your raid
04:27.49Marupaajavid, I said I thought I did, but it's rebuilding just fine.
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04:31.51Marupagot any other suggestions?
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04:38.23taiyedbrodelis a 2.8Ghz P4 512MBram 256mb ati radeon x300 video card too lame for a debian+gnome install?
04:39.01ianjcouldn't be
04:39.17ianjwell, you could use more RAM
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04:39.28ianjaside from that... i see no issues
04:39.40Kamping_Kaiserthat'll be fine, with lenny
04:39.41taiyedbrodelthat's what I'm thinking more ram
04:39.55deus___use xfce4 ;)
04:39.59Kamping_Kaisermore ram might be nice, but it'll be 'ok' with 512, and would work at 256
04:40.00taiyedbrodelI personally use XFCE, but I'm about to install it on another PC
04:40.05deus___or similar
04:40.13ShtlHello all, i have installed lenny, and also i got static IP, i want my system to be accessible to internet
04:40.20ianjbut the CPU and video card should be fine
04:40.35Shtlhow can i do this please???
04:40.44ianjmy debian system is a 2.2GHz Athlon 64 with a 256MB GeForce 7600GS
04:40.53ianjruns compiz/emerald and all just ifne
04:40.55ianj*fine
04:41.08taiyedbrodelI first installed XFCE4 is the one I use, and I love it, but I think gnome is more intuitive for newcomers
04:41.10deus___i'm running lenny on a netbook (2x 800 MhZ) + 2048 MiB RAM :)
04:41.21deus___with xfce4
04:41.49ianjnice
04:42.06ianjon a related note, i put lenny on my friend's netbook with GNOME a few months ago
04:42.12taiyedbrodelwell, in the end it all depends of the apps used
04:42.37ajavid512mb ram is plenty
04:42.37deus___i'm just browsing and watching movies here ;)
04:42.37taiyedbrodelchoosing a rather lightweiight web browser and such
04:42.51deus___Shtl: you need a gateway for this.
04:43.02taiyedbrodelI find 512MB plenty for my Xfce, don't know if it'd be for gnome
04:43.11ajavidI ran PIII, 866Mhz, 128MB Ram full gnome, limewire, buncha java apps, open office, you name it
04:43.11Shtli have it
04:43.14ajavid128mb ram
04:43.25ajavidsure it took 20+ seconds to switch 1 window and redraw but I did it
04:43.26deus___Shtl: can you ping it?
04:43.32ajavidyou can so much more with 512
04:43.34deus___haha nice job ;-)
04:43.46ajaviddo*
04:43.51taiyedbrodelnice...
04:44.00Shtlyes
04:44.00taiyedbrodelmaybe I'll give gnome a try some day
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04:44.24MarupaAnyone else have any suggestions?
04:44.28Shtldeus___: a moment please
04:44.29ianjmight as well give it a shot
04:44.42ianji don't think GNOME is as resource-heavy as it's made out to be, necessarily
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04:45.12taiyedbrodelI honestly haven't even tried it
04:45.40zhxkhello, when do aptitude search, the first colum of result shows p or v, whats the meaning?
04:46.07taiyedbrodelI mean, I have tried it but not on a regular basis to make myself an opinion about how fast it is
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04:47.08ajavidMem:          16012       5199       10813          0        227       4222
04:47.38ajavidhehehe, I have 32x 512mb :D
04:49.24taiyedbrodelzhxk: do a man aptitude and scroll down to search
04:49.43taiyedbrodelit explain the meaning of every letter
04:50.08taiyedbrodelwhat I did find out was how much of a suckage was this ati card
04:50.28taiyedbrodelat least in debian based system I haven't been able to get it to work
04:51.04taiyedbrodelwhen I try to install the fglrx-driver and reboot, screen just goes black
04:51.21taiyedbrodelI think it's the fact it has to update the kernel
04:52.29zhxktaiyedbrodel:my english is not good, best tell me why
04:53.25taiyedbrodelwhy what?
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04:54.14zhxkwhats the meaning of p and v at the first colum of list that aptitude search prints
04:56.47taiyedbrodelp means that no trace of the package exists on the system, and v, means that the package is virtual
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05:00.06ajavidtaiyedbrodel, I have x1900xt
05:00.25taiyedbrodelthis one is x300
05:00.40zhxkhello, how to install telnetd, and let it start automatically?
05:00.54ajavidyou don't need fglex
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05:01.03taiyedbrodelI've tried everything that I know to make it work
05:01.15ajavidtaiyedbrodel, in stable you will not have 3d without fglrx
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05:01.33ajavidjudd versions xserver-xorg
05:01.33juddajavid: xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 squeeze: 1:7.3+19 sid: 1:7.4+3
05:01.52ajavidonly in sid will you get 3d to work in radeon driver on this card
05:01.56ajavidunfortunately
05:02.09taiyedbrodelI might try that
05:02.10ajavidbut, yes, radeon will work this card just fine.
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05:02.36ajavidxorg 7.4 contains the updated radeon driver
05:02.49ajavidprevious versions of xorg include experimental support only
05:03.03ajavidfor 3d I mean
05:03.20taiyedbrodelI see that, well maybe I'll give sid a shot tonight
05:03.26ajavid!dnuts
05:03.26dpkgsomebody said dnuts was Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq>
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05:03.51ajavidI would recommend against using sid
05:04.01ajavidunless you know what you are doing.
05:04.08taiyedbrodelI'd do it on a spare machine
05:04.13taiyedbrodelnot in my main production pc
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05:05.01alesanhi; I have ntp running but the clock is out of sinch more than 15 minutes
05:05.04alesanwhat can I check?
05:05.22taiyedbrodelyour watch
05:05.49ajavid!ntp
05:05.49dpkgThe Network Time Protocol.  Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage.  Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already.  See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information.  See also <set time>.
05:06.24alesanI have {0..3}.debian.pool.ntp.org as servers
05:06.32ajavidhmm, dunno
05:06.45ajavidI don't know much about debian
05:06.49ajavidntp is one of those things
05:06.55ajavid:)
05:06.58alesanoj
05:08.44alesanI used rdate now to set the time
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05:10.40oska1hello people
05:10.48oska1i managed to install debian
05:10.58deus___congratulations
05:10.59oska1but now i've got another problem
05:11.11ajavidawedomr
05:11.14ajavidsome
05:11.22oska1i can't connect to the internet via wireless
05:11.52ajavidwhich wifi chipset do you have?
05:12.10ajavidlspci would tell you
05:12.16oska1in ubuntu i always saw an icon in the upper right corner that would tell me about my internet connection, but it's not here
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05:12.32ajavidubuntu ships with non-free firmware, debian does not
05:12.45Kamping_Kaiser*in main
05:12.56ajavidonce again
05:13.12ajaviddebian does not ship with non-free software
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05:13.14oska1lspci returns a large output
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05:13.40ajavidoska1, lspci|grep 802
05:13.43Kamping_Kaiserajavid: if by debian you mean 'main', then yes, you are generally correct. if you mean 'packages provided and built on debian infrastructure' then no, thats not correct
05:14.21oska1ajavid, that returns nothing
05:14.33ajavidoska1, grep Net, Eth ?
05:14.47ajavidI dunno pick one, look through the list for Ethernet or Network controller
05:14.53ajavidor pastebin the entire output
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05:15.29adrenalineI was curious to if debian uses the keyring as ubuntu does?
05:15.31omologos04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
05:15.38ajavidadrenaline, debian-archive-keyring
05:15.42omologosis what grep Net returns
05:15.59shyam_kis alsa replaced with something else on sid?
05:16.00adrenalineno I don't want it I am going to nuke my ubuntu installation because it pisses me off
05:16.02shyam_kmy sound isn't working
05:16.03Kamping_Kaiserdpkg 4965
05:16.04dpkgiwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards.  Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi".  "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset.  See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945).  See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>.  #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
05:16.15adrenalineI was thinking of using debian instead if it doesn't have that
05:16.25shyam_kargh argh alsamixer did it.
05:16.34Kamping_Kaiser(hence comment about non-free, ftr)
05:16.40ajavidadrenaline, ubuntu builds on top of debian
05:16.53adrenalineI know but there are differences ajavid
05:16.53ajavidwhatever ubuntu has, more than likely debian already has had it
05:16.55omologosreading now
05:17.02adrenalineajavid, ok thanks
05:17.13adrenalineam I the only that this bugs?
05:17.19ajavidno
05:17.33Kamping_Kaiseryou are bugged by the gpg keyring?
05:17.33ajavidpeople everday switch to debian
05:17.49adrenalineKamping_Kaiser, yes it totally pisses me off
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05:17.53ajaviddebian is higher quality than ubuntu, no doubt
05:17.58ajavidadrenaline, ok, im confused
05:18.01ajavidwtf are you on about?
05:18.13ajavidyou hate gpg keyring? wtf does that have to do with ubuntu?
05:18.18Kamping_Kaiseradrenaline: dare i ask why?
05:18.22ajavidwhat does it have to do with anything
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05:18.32adrenalinewhen I start my ubuntu box at home it won't hook up to my wireless untill I put in this stupid keyring passwork
05:18.35adrenalinepassword
05:18.41adrenalinethat annoys the crap out of me
05:18.44ajavidoh boy
05:18.51Kamping_Kaiseri think your confusing your keyrings ...
05:18.58ajavidthat is not a 'keyring'
05:19.01ajavidits a key
05:19.05adrenalineno no
05:19.08ajavidits your wep/wpa key
05:19.16adrenalineit doesn't get to the key till i put in my keyring password
05:19.17tweek__'debian is higher quality than ubuntu'
05:19.19ajavidit has nothing to do with archive/package signatures and keys
05:19.20tweek__now there's a subjective statement
05:19.32adrenalineIt is annoying
05:19.42ajavidadrenaline, so save it
05:20.02adrenalineI couldn't shut donw my os unless I put a keyring password in
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05:20.05ajavidin /etc/network/interfaces specify wireless-key XXXXXXXXXXXXX whaetver it is
05:20.19adrenalineit is wierd because it just started this crap
05:20.28ajavidadrenaline, anyway, ubuntu is not supported here
05:20.31adrenalineajavid, it is not my wireless key
05:20.32omologosdamn! i can't get my superuser password right
05:20.35adrenalineit is the keyring
05:20.42ajavidadrenaline, /msg dpkg ig (for the debian install guide) and /msg dpkg di (to download debian)
05:20.46ajavidenjoy
05:20.59omologoshow can i change it
05:21.05adrenalinewait my question is will debian do that too?
05:21.11ajavidadrenaline, yes
05:21.19adrenalineif i install debian will it complain about the keyring for everythign?
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05:21.28ajavidyes
05:21.32adrenalineso changing to Debian won't fix my issue then
05:21.36ajavidno
05:21.42ajavidlearning how things work in linux will
05:21.44ajavidtry that
05:21.46omologosshould i install again
05:21.48omologos_
05:21.53omologosplease say no
05:21.57Kamping_Kaisers/linux/gnome :)
05:21.58adrenalineit is not a linux thing
05:22.14ajavidomologos, you lost your root password?
05:22.18adrenalineI have gentoo and slackware and they don't complain about a stupid keyring
05:22.20Kamping_Kaisergnome-keyring will work the same way on all platforms
05:22.47ajavidomologos, http://www.debianadmin.com/forgot-root-password-or-reset-root-password-in-debian.html
05:22.53adrenalineKamping_Kaiser, I don't have that problem in any other platforms other than ubuntu
05:23.18Kamping_Kaiseradrenaline: you probalby have different packages installed ... but you thought of that right? you also thought to ask #ubuntu how to remove the offending package?
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05:23.41adrenalineI have asked #ubuntu a number of times
05:23.52macrobati had key problems when i had the wrong time...
05:23.56adrenalineI have removed the keyring and it broke the OS
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05:24.12Kamping_Kaisergiggles
05:24.18Kamping_Kaiseri'm heading afk at this point i think
05:24.48shyamdamnn it as in the old days i did a compiz --replace now i lost the window borders.. thats the metacity is down i think.
05:25.04adrenalineI was thinking of going to debian but if it is goign to give me the same problem I will probably have to just go to some other distro
05:25.05shyamwell its like that even after a restart!
05:25.35ajavidshyam, compiz settings
05:25.37ajavidccsm
05:25.46ajavidshyam, make sure window decorationsp lugin is loaded/checked
05:25.48shyammetacity --replace does it for now;-)
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05:26.05shyami heard xgl is present when i tried it
05:26.12shyamops i mean xgl is not present
05:26.18ajavidthats fine
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05:26.22ajavidxgl isn't used anyway
05:26.29blubaustinhello.
05:26.30ajavidxgl was an ugly hack
05:26.32omologosajavid that's so much complicated
05:26.40omologosi think i will reinstall
05:26.42shyamajavid: for compiz too?
05:26.50omologos:-(
05:26.54ajavidomologos, if you are going to reinstall anyway
05:26.57ajavidwhat do you have to lose
05:27.00ajavidtry it, you might learn
05:27.07ajavidif you never fuck with things, you won't ever learn
05:27.09ajavid:/
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05:27.19omologos:-(
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05:27.29omologos:)
05:27.34shyamajavid: then why did you drove me off the channel when i asked help for sid?
05:27.44ajavidI did no such thing.
05:27.45shyami wanted to break the system.. !
05:28.00ajavidbasically this is what it boils down to
05:28.01shyami mean i heard strong resistance from here
05:28.21ajavidif you have to ask whether to use sid or not, you definitely shouldn't.
05:28.25shyamnow then the system is working to:)
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05:29.01shyamwell may be i still lack good english skill and i dumpped all it down like a newbie. and they all jumped on me. DOONnt do it!:)
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05:29.22ajavidyes and when people do that you should pay them heed
05:29.32ajavidlisten to them, they are probably right
05:30.06blubaustinI am having problems trying to compile the facebook-plugin for pidgin. It is kicking out a error 127: i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc: command not found
05:30.07blubaustinhttp://pastebin.com/d56cba823
05:30.10shyamcompiz.real --replace now shows me no error but still can't get any window borders..
05:30.18shyamajavid: and no command ccsm
05:30.21ajavidshyam, ask #compiz-fusion
05:30.31ajavidshyam, install compizconfig-settings-manager
05:30.45shyamok metacity --replace again
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05:30.55shyamand thats for tmrw evening;-)
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05:31.12shyamsee ya.. lot thanks for you guys..
05:32.58blubaustinUm, does anyone have any ideas about the issue I'm seeing with my system?
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05:33.29macrobatwhen i look  at  the urxvt man page in urxvt all lines are not visible. "...skipping..."   is shown. i use less as a pager
05:34.09Kamping_Kaiser!b-e blubaustin
05:34.09dpkgblubaustin: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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05:34.27neo8848hi everyone, i just recently noticed that xp inevitably installs some system files to the first partition, regards it as drive C, even if you choose the next drive (D) for installation, of course ...
05:34.39blubaustinI have it.
05:34.56Kamping_Kaiseralthought TBH, I don't know if i find the plugins existance more disturbing or your building it from source :|
05:35.04neo8848this poses a problem for me since i want the swap area in the first partition, and install xp at the next partition, with it treating that partition as drive C
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05:35.55macrobatblubaustin: here is a howto on building a deb: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?uid=19224&f=16&t=38976&
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05:36.07Kamping_Kaiserblubaustin: i can't find i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc in Debian.
05:36.58greenmang0any lightweight browser based network monitor for debian??
05:37.08blubaustinhow do I change that to what it should be.
05:37.19greenmang0there are lot of in Debian repo but don't know which one is fulfils my requirements
05:37.22blubaustinI've read about a make.conf file in /etc but I dont have one for osme odd reason
05:38.13Kamping_Kaiserblubaustin: have you run configure? you seem to be missing a lot of dependancies
05:38.36greenmang0ajavid: hello friend, do you know any light weight browser based network monitor available in debian repo?
05:39.27blubaustinthere is no configure for it, just a make file.
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05:39.53Kamping_Kaiserblubaustin: ...?
05:39.53blubaustinhere's the instructions I'm looking at for it, I know its for ubuntu but,
05:39.54blubaustinhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=975783
05:39.57blubaustinits similar.
05:40.07Kamping_Kaiserblubaustin: does it come with compile instructions in the tarball?
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05:41.39blubaustinits from svn.... so there was no tar.
05:41.49blubaustinand I dont see any intsructions either in the dir.
05:42.33Kamping_Kaisergawd. I'm not touching it then.
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05:43.50blubaustin>_<
05:44.23macrobatit could be anything, and you run make on it as root!   :)
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05:48.26blubaustini got it.
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05:56.28superlinuxI am looking for a software that's better than mumble and has the same as mumble features. my purpose is to give free live online lessons.
05:56.51ShtlI have static IP with My system how i can make it to access over internet, please help me
05:57.03superlinuxI am looking for a software that's better than mumble and has the same as mumble features. my purpose is to give free live online lessons. any one has a name?
05:57.07superlinuxsorry
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05:57.30superlinuxI am looking for a software that's better than mumble and has the same as mumble features. my purpose is to give free live online lessons. can anyone help please?
05:58.14Kamping_KaiserShtl: you have a real ip? look into port forwarding on your modem, or putting the modem into 'bridge' mode.
05:58.37Kamping_KaiserShtl: if your doing that you'll want to llook into a firewall
05:58.39Shtli hve Static IP and gate way
05:58.50Shtlhow to set up firewall???
05:59.12Kamping_Kaiser!firewall
05:59.13dpkgfrom memory, firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see <gibraltar>, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection.  See also <firehol>.
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06:01.20ShtlKamping_Kaiser: i have to install that?
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07:10.24q-tipJust lost my network interface on unnoticed testing upgrade anybody know where to look ?
07:10.55the-dudedmesg ?
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07:11.36q-tipthe-dude yeah dmesg shows not much I see 3com model loading thats it
07:12.03shah16q-tip: what exactly u need?
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07:13.37q-tipshah16 sorry its early ;) lenny got upgraded to testing but the network died I cant seem to figure out why I was wondering if anybody had the same problem or an idea on where to start looking I am under a little pressure as this ia an important server (and I just woke up ;())
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07:14.26shah16/etc/network/interfaces   ?
07:14.33shah16q-tip ^^
07:15.13q-tipshah16 Seems to be untouched its set to auto dhcp as was the case before time stamp on the file is also the same
07:17.01q-tipsha16 I just found something about network-manager being a pain in the backside Ill try to get wicd instead see what happens thanks for your help
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07:22.28Shtlhello all
07:23.11Shtli have 2 NICs with Lenny machine, how i can come to know which IP is given to which NIC???
07:23.33shah16ifconfig -a
07:24.49shah16shtl: ifconfig -a
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07:25.20Shtlshah16: it shows only IPs
07:25.38rektidei have a program chmod 6755 to user www-data... why when running it do i get denied access to files owned by www-data
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07:27.18shah16Shtl: is it not showing something like eth0 eth1 ???
07:28.42Shtlshah16: http://pastebin.com/m4f9c42df
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07:30.41shah16Shtl also show me lspci |grep Ethernet
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07:34.58rektidehttp://pastebin.com/m26c5ea34
07:35.07rektidewhy does this cgit.cgi invocation not SUID
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07:50.11Kamping_Kaiseris it possible to download entire threads from the debian list archives?
07:51.03zeebleIs there a php based system, that allows monitoring of multiple services - like server load, disk space, ping times, database availability, number of db connections, etc?
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07:55.47superlinuxI am looking for a software that's better than mumble and has the same as mumble features. my purpose is to give free live online lessons. can anyone help please?
07:55.47the-dudezeeble: does it have to be php?
07:56.14zeeblethe-dude: not really, but i more or less am looking at somethign that is web-based
07:56.48zeeblethe-dude: i have only just looked at the open-nms site but am not sure whether it can check for database connections, etc.
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08:00.35zeeblethe-dude: nagios looks like something i should look at.
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08:05.56OldMonkgot a prolem with installing otrs2 on testing.  the package installation failed, and now it can neither instal nor remove the package.
08:06.10OldMonkthe issue is somewhere in dbconfig-common
08:06.45OldMonkerror processing otrs2 (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10
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08:08.18OldMonklast few lines of the sh -x output: http://paste.debian.net/43955/
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08:11.01OldMonkfull output of the command at: http://paste.debian.net/43956/
08:11.47rdzhi all. i've set up a debian system to mount an nfs-export from another host. i've added the necessary line to /etc/fstab and if i do 'mount <mountpoint>' the nfs-export is mounted correctly. however, on a reboot everything else from fstab is mounted but the nfs-shares. how can i achieve automatic nfs mounts on a debian system?
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08:21.58jmarsdenrdz: You might want to see if the autofs package will do what you need?
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08:32.10Shtlhello all
08:33.51Shtlany one here can tell me how i can configure system with 2 NICs??
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08:35.00simonrvn!interfaces
08:35.00dpkgYour network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example).  Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively.  See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS.  Also ask me about <static route>.
08:35.07simonrvnShtl: ^^^
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08:36.30rdzjmarsden, thanks for the hint. i am still unsure, what autofs is useful for.
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08:37.19rdzjmarsden, isn't any line in fstab meant to be mounted automatically anyway?
08:37.23Shtlsimonrvn: now the inbuilt NIC is named as eth0_rename, and additional one is eth1,
08:38.09Shtli got static IP and gateway so i need to configure Lenny m/c as router
08:38.13simonrvnso?
08:38.13MadGirli heard so was True Combat Elite
08:38.38simonrvnMadGirl: wrong channel
08:38.39Shtlhow to configure this??
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08:57.37sphenxesHow can I delete all my bookmarks in epiphany web browser at once?
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08:59.28sphenxesmorpheus, thanks
08:59.35morpheuswc
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09:01.22lyhana_8hi, I'm trying to upgrade a system to lenny
09:01.43taiyedbrodelHi, in epiphany when using the smart bookmark extension to search a highlighted word, how can I make it open the result in a new tab instead of a new window?
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09:13.57lukasOh, thanks
09:14.05lukasI know how to do
09:14.27flourishwhat does the "bsd variant of syslog" mean, and what can i do with it
09:14.47petemclog messages
09:15.08flourishhow can i decide if my syslog is bsd variant or not
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09:16.02simonrvnyou don't decide that, you find out yes or no.
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09:16.30simonrvnthat's like deciding one day the sun is a red giant, when it won't be for another 5 billion years
09:16.32flourishso howto find yes or no
09:16.49simonrvnapt-cache show
09:17.28lyhana_8hi, when trying to upgrade I got tje following issue with libc6 :
09:17.29lyhana_8http://pastebin.com/d123e82db
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09:17.54flourishsimonrvn: and ?
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09:19.21flourish:-)
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09:20.52simonrvnthis is part of learning. you are shown the tools, how to use them, then you *implement* what you learned. giving you the command as-is won't help you learn. besides it's extremely simple.
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09:32.00lyhana_8valdyn: hi, i'm stuck with libc6 install could you help me ?
09:33.09grazymaxhi all
09:33.28morpheusGIYF ;)
09:35.03Shadurlyhana_8: ... How precisely are you having problems with that, and what were you trying to accomplish?
09:36.36lyhana_8Shadur: i'm trying to upgrade to lenny, here is my problem : http://pastebin.com/d123e82db
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09:38.01Shadurlyhana_8: And dist-upgrade from etch didn't work out?
09:38.39Shadurglances at the channel topic.
09:38.52lyhana_8that's what I'm trying to do, I change the repositories in sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
09:39.15petemclyhana_8: /msg dpkg etch->lenny
09:39.29lyhana_8<PROTECTED>
09:39.34petemcwithout the space
09:39.39lyhana_8yep
09:39.46Arrowmasteryeah etch->lenny will tell you more
09:39.57Arrowmastera much more specific set of commands
09:40.35Shadurlyhana_8: Always, always, ALWAYS make sure your current install is up to date before dist-upgrading.
09:42.10lyhana_8I do but libc6 seem to be custom (what valdyn suggest may cause issues)
09:44.53lyhana_8Shadur: what does `readlink: invalid option -- e` mean ?
09:45.27lyhana_8when trying to update now, I got :
09:45.27lyhana_8apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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09:50.28carr0t5does the debian-update.5.0.2-i386-DVD-1.iso replace debian-502-i386-DVD1.iso
09:50.36azeemno
09:50.52azeemcarr0t5: I guess it's just the changed packages in 5.0.2
09:50.59azeemit does not replace a full DVD
09:51.02azeemnot sure though
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09:53.16dansushiwhere is the location of the text file that holds the information about what text commands have been previously typed/used?
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09:53.42petemcdavidef1986: if you're using bash , ~/.bash_history
09:54.03petemcdansushi: ^^^^
09:54.07petemcdamn nick completion
09:54.12dansushiah, thanks
09:54.18dansushii always forget about that
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10:00.11grotonwhere to get the mac (monkey audio codec) deb package encoder?
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10:04.27SlayerXPi appear to be being stupid:  where the heck do I get the Squueze gpg package signing key from?
10:04.47petemcdebian-archive-keyring?
10:05.40macrobathow do i configure a source pkg before i run  dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ?
10:05.57SlayerXPpetemc: i have that package installed, it "apt-key list" doesn't show a key for Squeeze
10:06.16macrobatthere is no separate key for squeeze
10:06.20SlayerXPlatest is "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org>"
10:06.28macrobator for sid
10:06.52SlayerXPmacrobat: then I'm confused as to why I'm getting warnings that packages I want to install can't be verified
10:07.18macrobathttp://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090523
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10:07.36Kamping_Kaisermacrobat: by changing debian/{rules,control}
10:07.57macrobatmaybe you have the wrong time on your system, SlayerXP , i had that problem
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10:08.19wsxwshi there
10:08.19macrobatty Kamping_Kaiser
10:08.25Kamping_Kaisermacrobat: np
10:08.30Kamping_KaiserSlayerXP: whats the error you get?
10:08.32wsxwswhat would be an easy way to synch 2 pathes ?
10:08.57Kamping_Kaiserwsxws: try unison-gtk, it can do most of the job
10:09.37wsxwsis it commandline ?
10:10.06wsxwsi need a commandline-tool
10:10.17SlayerXPKamping_Kaiser: umm, one that has disappeared.  I'm very confused, probbaly tea deficient
10:10.17wsxws(sorry i forgot to mention that in my fist question)
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10:10.42Kamping_Kaiserwsxws: then try unison
10:10.56Kamping_Kaiserwsxws: or rsync, depending on your exact need
10:10.57Kamping_KaiserSlayerXP: :)
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10:14.11steven43126how secure is ssh access when you lock the key down using the command="" syntax to only allow one command, is it fairly sound or is it easy to get a shell ?
10:14.35Kamping_Kaiserdepends what the command is probably
10:14.55steven43126Kamping_Kaiser: asuming the command as no bugs :)
10:15.07wgsilkieI know Synaptic has a way to generate a download script, so you can get packages from another system.  Is there a way to do this from the command line?
10:15.40Kamping_Kaiserwgsilkie: list of package updates? not sure.
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10:16.10Tommy_DOcan I safely shrink the LVM entry in my partition table according to the size of my physical LVM volume?
10:16.32wgsilkieIt would generate a shell script that would wget all the marked packages (to install).
10:17.23wsxwshm, after reading its mansfiles it matches my question but not my need. i want to backup path with thausands of files. the are new files every day and others become deleted. to copy the whole path takes 20minutes. so copyxing it everyday ( i cant tar it directly, because there are changes while taring).
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10:17.36chriswkwgsilkie: dpkg --get-selections
10:17.50Kamping_Kaiserwsxws: sounds like an rsync job
10:18.12steven43126wsxws: or checkout dump if your ext2/3
10:18.13wgsilkiechriswk: So I mark changes with aptitude, and then run that?
10:18.16wsxwsill have a look at that one now ;)
10:19.03chriswkwgsilkie: sounds reasonable, I know we use it here to make sure our test and production boxes use exactly the same packages
10:19.22chriswkwgsilke: maybe dbconf-get-selections is better tbh
10:19.43chriswkthe output from that can be piped to file which can be used later with dbconf-set-selections
10:20.07steven43126that's whats installed tho not whats needed to upgrade ?
10:20.11wgsilkiechriswk: Ah, thanks!
10:20.20steven43126or did i miss the point
10:20.22chriswksteven43126: yeah, that's true
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10:20.59steven43126ps what is dbconf-set/get i always dpkg --get-selections ?
10:21.31chriswkit was just debian-administration's suggestion, but yeah, dpkg --get-selections is what's in our batch script
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10:22.15steven43126chriswk: how do you handle that? does the script remove packages on test that say aren't on live ?
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10:23.04steven43126had one hell of a fun morning this morning doe to mis-matched versions on prod/test
10:23.05chriswksteven43126: yes
10:23.21steven43126chriswk: willing to share ;)
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10:23.45chriswksteven43126: I'll see if I can't find it in our sysadmin scripts.
10:24.22steven43126we use puppet at the mo to keep everything in sync but were in a half and half state at the moment while it's been rolled out
10:24.36chriswkah, always fun....
10:24.38steven43126and it doesn't handle package removals very well
10:24.49chriswknever tried puppet
10:25.07steven43126chriswk: it's very promising
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10:25.28steven43126we manage about 40 server's in test env with it at the mo, and so far only about 10 in live
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10:25.48chriswksteven43126: From reductivelabs?
10:26.02steven43126it's finding time to write decent recipes for it though as always
10:26.07steven43126chriswk: yes that's correct
10:26.09ShishKababHello. I'd like to create lots of cryptographically secure random data (around 200MB). dd count=409600 if=/dev/random of=randfile blocks after a few bytes even if I generate a lot of disk activity etc. What should I do?
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10:26.52chriswkheh, I'll send it on to our serveradmin. We're not that big, our total server park is 12 or so
10:27.15chriswkFrom a quick glance at the documentation, it does look good
10:27.16Kamping_KaiserShishKabab: buy a hardware entropy generator
10:27.30steven43126chriswk: it's still beneficial in that it keep's everything in order
10:27.52chriswksteven43126: I can see the benefit, definitely
10:28.03steven43126chriswk: if done well you can pick any server, and have it fully provisioned and live within 5 mins be it db/web etc
10:28.19wgsilkieHow would I use the output of dpkg --get-select to generate a list of URLs for the packages?
10:28.21steven43126were still trying to get there :)
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10:29.36chriswkwgsilkie: I'm sorry, but I don't know, I misunderstood what you wanted in the first place. But knowing the structure of an apt repo you should be able to build URLs from the package names and the current  distro information
10:29.40steven43126wgsilkie: you could probably pipe the names to dpkg and tell dpkg to only fetch packages
10:29.55wgsilkieHmmm...
10:30.04steven43126check out mak dpkg
10:30.15Kamping_Kaiserat this point shouldnt you just copy the frigging debs over?
10:30.17steven43126it's probably --fetch-only tho :)
10:30.52Kamping_Kaiserand use apt for downloading. save yourself pain.
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10:31.35chriswksteven43126: Heh, know that feeling, Thanks for the hint about puppet though. Looks promising
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10:32.36wsxwsKamping_Kaiser i love you, thats been exactly what i was looking for
10:32.55Kamping_Kaiserwsxws: hah. enjoy.
10:33.17wsxwsa nice day to all of you
10:33.33wgsilkieWhat if the other system isn't Debian?
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10:34.11Kamping_Kaiserthen you'll have to hit up the 'net to find out what other people have done ;)
10:34.31Kamping_Kaisereven if its something crazy like given the boxes 'net access (via a proxy, which can cache the packages)
10:34.41wgsilkiegulps.
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10:36.14wgsilkieHey! -> apt-get --print-uris install <something>
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10:36.28wgsilkieBut now I have to process the output of that.
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10:40.30mquinwgsilkie: you may also want to take a look at apt-zip
10:40.46PepperBobdo i have to enable "SMP" when using multi processor?
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10:41.27wgsilkieapt-zip wasn't nice to work with.
10:41.37wgsilkieI couldn't get it work, actually.
10:41.41wgsilkie*to work
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10:42.04Kamping_KaiserPepperBob: have to? no.
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10:43.59PepperBobKamping_Kaiser: would it show multi processors on the default kernel? though i can't find a smp kernel in stable. so i guess everything should be fine...
10:45.12Kamping_KaiserPepperBob: cat /proc/cpuinfo to check if its using multiple cpu/cores
10:45.26PepperBobKamping_Kaiser: yeah I did that and it doesn't
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10:46.37ShtlAny pdf to word converter for Linux??
10:46.51Kamping_KaiserPepperBob: my vserver kernel images are SMP enabled, I'm not sure which others are.
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10:47.05Kamping_KaiserShtl: openoffice3 springs to mind
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10:47.23Kamping_Kaiseralthough why you go from anything to 'word' is beond me
10:47.54petemcprobably something to do with that fact thats the format that almost everyone uses
10:47.59morpheusShtl, check in synaptic
10:47.59petemcas sad as that may be
10:48.25PepperBobKamping_Kaiser: i think the default 686 is as well - there is no 686 smp kernel anymore the stable and oldstable just has a transitional package
10:48.37Kamping_Kaiserpetemc: i'm bemused by someone runing debian going from non-editable format to very poor format. (thats all)
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10:49.08craigevilPepperBob:  the reason you cant find a SMP kernel is because its in the debian kernel, there isnt a separate SMP kernel
10:49.22PepperBobyup.
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10:53.47smhargreetings
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10:54.00mythomaniaci just installed a fresh copy of squeeze on a system and i am unable to log on as user, though it should be noted all that is installed is the base system - anyone know what gives?
10:54.27morpheuslogin as root?
10:54.48morpheusmythomaniac, ?
10:55.12mythomaniacmorpheus, it seems i cannot do that either?
10:55.28Kamping_Kaisermythomaniac: turn off caps lock
10:55.37mythomaniacKamping_Kaiser, not on
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10:56.35unopmythomaniac, use a rescue CD and change the password?
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10:58.35morpheusbadsectors?
10:58.52mythomaniacthanks morpheus, 4th one down is the same...
10:59.57smharI have a problem in my lenny notebook that renders the wifi unusable. Since the last apt-upgrade and automatic kernel upgrade, the wifi can detect hotspots but can not connect since it is always on the 'roaming mode' and can not be changed to normal mode. how can I correct this issue?
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11:09.14mythomaniacunop, got the recuse shell from the install cd, but how do i change the passwd?
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11:09.52mythomaniacor anyone for that matter?
11:10.05petemc!ifrp
11:10.05dpkg1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
11:10.06unopmythomaniac, mount the device that contains the root filesystem .. chroot into it and then issue   passwd
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11:16.42steven43126hm any common exploit on port2967 ?
11:16.55steven43126seeing lots of scans for it today...
11:17.30_AnywhereIs_something is out there for sure. they scan whole net.
11:18.01_AnywhereIs_i've seen these packets for years :)
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11:18.48craigevilsteven43126: http://isc.sans.org/port.html?port=2967
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11:20.38rhalffhi for a server I want to setup several ips for the machine and run a firewall script, what packages can do this in an easy way on debian ?
11:20.38steven43126there not quiet about it 200+ hosts scanned in under 5mins
11:20.58abrotmanrhalff: for which part of the question?
11:21.10rhalffoffcourse I can make something myself, but I would like to just install a package and edit something in a config file, @abrotman, both :)
11:21.29abrotmanrhalff: the IPs are easily setup in /etc/network/interfaces .. and there are several front-ends to iptables
11:22.54rhalffabrotman: ok, thanks, now I remember I should have add that to interfaces, but was not totally confident to change that remotely :)
11:23.42abrotmanrhalff: and you probably just need the address/netmask for those additional IPs
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11:24.17SkyCrashhow cani nstall this Can't locate HTTP/Request.pm
11:24.18SkyCrash?
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11:24.24honschuHiho, for a ChangeLog, is this good english? : "Fix typo in AS_HELP_STRING referring enable-htmldoc"
11:24.47rhalffabrotman: yeah I know just added them manually after a reboot, ip addr add 1.2.3.4/25 dev eth0 etc.
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11:26.05abrotmanrhalff: or use ifup
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11:26.44rhalffabrotman: ok thanks for your time, it´s appreciated, now I have to leave :)
11:26.48abrotmanSkyCrash: did you try apt-file ?
11:26.54abrotman!find HTTP/Request.pm lenny
11:27.02SkyCrashno
11:27.09SkyCrashi don know whati need install
11:27.29abrotman!tell SkyCrash about apt-file
11:27.44dpkgDebian Search of 'HTTP/Request.pm' (4): (/usr/share/perl5/HTTP/Request.pm) in perl/libwww-perl ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Test/Mock/HTTP/Request.pm) in perl/libtest-mock-lwp-perl ;; (/usr/share/perl5/POE/Component/Server/HTTP/Request.pm) in perl/libpoe-component-server-http-perl ;; (/usr/share/perl5/POE/Component/Client/HTTP/Request.pm) in perl/libpoe-component-client-http-perl.
11:28.02abrotmanSkyCrash: looks like it's in libwww-perl
11:28.06SkyCrashlibww
11:28.09SkyCrashyea isee
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11:42.21Kamping_Kaiserdo you?
11:43.16SkyCrashi have another cuestion i need add a pgroam in perl when my system start how can add ?
11:44.26Kamping_KaiserSkyCrash: check crons @reboot function if its a user application, or the init system.
11:44.39smharI have a problem in my lenny notebook that renders the wifi unusable. Since the last apt-upgrade and automatic kernel upgrade, the wifi can detect hotspots but can not connect since it is always on the 'roaming mode' and can not be changed to normal mode. how can I correct this issue?
11:44.45Kamping_KaiserSkyCrash: update-rc.d would bea  good place to start, i forget what you need exactly
11:45.03SkyCrashokay thanks for all
11:45.03Kamping_Kaisersmhar: does the previous kernel work?
11:45.04SkyCrash:)
11:45.06SkyCrashthanks !
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11:46.06smharnot anymore, the system boots and works normally, only the wifi
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11:47.11Kamping_Kaiserhave you removed it?
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12:00.34Mac101hi, which cds do i need if i want to do an offline base install?
12:00.51Kamping_KaiserMac101: just the first cd
12:00.57Mac101ok thanks
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12:01.00Kamping_KaiserXongacska: this is an english channel
12:01.00abrotmanMac101: depends what you want ...
12:01.17abrotmanMac101: if you want all the software available offline, you'd want all the CDs or DVDs
12:01.32abrotmanMac101: if the system will have internet, but currently does not, CD1 or the netinst would suffice
12:01.36ranixabrotman: base install is just using the "base system" package with the debian installer
12:01.48XongacskaKamping_Kaiser: Yeah, no problemz brotha
12:02.04abrotmanranix: your idea of base, and his idea of base, may be hugely different .. some people feel slighted when X isn't installed as base
12:02.49ranixabrotman: if we're going for what I consider a basic install compared to someone else, I compromized. I'd consider a basic install not selecting *any* packages with the Debian installer
12:02.49Kamping_Kaiserabrotman: i'll have to admit that didn't occur to me.
12:03.03abrotmanranix: floppies!
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12:03.13ranixwoo!
12:03.18Mac101oh sorry yeah meant just basic as pos no x or anything
12:03.35ranixKamping_Kaiser: you need the first two floppy diskettes for a base install. You might need a third diskette for network drivers
12:03.40ranixehr
12:03.48ranixthat was for Mac not Kaiser
12:04.02abrotmanassuming his wired NIC is supported
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12:04.53abrotmanMac101: if you really just want a basic CLI system .. the netinst should be fine
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12:24.42abrotman!qotd0
12:24.43dpkg<Laney> alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :(
12:24.56LaneyThat is the bane of my life.
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12:26.35abrotmanheh
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12:26.57Titan8990hmm.... chroot ftw
12:27.37abrotmaninit=/bin/sh
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12:27.45Laney:)
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12:27.50Laneyalso was several years ago
12:27.50Kamping_Kaiserkernel sploits ftw ;)
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12:28.23abrotman!factinfo qotd148
12:28.23dpkgqotd148 -- created by abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> at Fri Sep  9 18:30:25 2005 (1432 days); it has been requested 52 times, last by abrotman, 3m 41s ago.
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12:28.32abrotmanfour years .. jeez
12:28.54abrotmanoh ... i even made it .. i'm a bad person
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12:29.10Laneywhere did 148 come from?
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12:29.33abrotmanthere are a few hundred qotds
12:29.39abrotmanyours is 148
12:29.54Laneysure, don't see where you got that ID from though
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12:30.07Kamping_Kaiser*looks* I only seem to have 'multi line funnies' in my quotes file from #d
12:30.11Laneyand does "0" meean "Give me a random one"?
12:30.13Laney-e
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12:31.01Shtl<PROTECTED>
12:31.39Titan8990Shtl, wireshark? tcpdump? ettercap?
12:31.57Kamping_KaiserShtl: do you bother searching before asking here?
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12:32.21Arafangi1nHey, are we switching to eglibc?
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12:32.32Arafangi1n(Or already have?)
12:32.40ShtlTitan8990: thing is i want to detect RADIUS protocol invocation
12:32.43Titan8990Arafangi1n, thats what I read on slashdot a while back
12:32.55Titan8990Shtl, ok?
12:33.06Arafangi1nTitan8990: I'm trying to find out the rationale for the decision.
12:33.20Titan8990Arafangi1n, embedded device support
12:33.20Arafangi1nTitan8990: Because I'm compiling my own system, and I'm finding glibc *annoying*
12:33.25Kamping_KaiserArafangi1n: there already in unstable, for some time.
12:34.05Titan8990Shtl, wireshark and tcpdump will capture all packets, regardless of protocol
12:34.17Shtlok
12:34.21abrotmanLaney: yes .. it gives a random one .. there's a way to look up which ones have the "Laney" string in the value
12:34.31Laneyalright
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12:34.44Titan8990Shtl, and radius authentication should be encrypted so I am not sure why you want to sniff it
12:35.07Shtlbut its invocation can be seen rt???
12:35.57Titan8990dude just filter for the port that your running your radius server on
12:36.04Titan8990and see for yourself
12:36.12Shtlok
12:36.24rdzhi all. it seems, that debian /etc/networking/if-up.d scripts are started to early, i.e. before the network is really accessible. therefor my nfs exports didn't mount on boot. finally i found a post with a fix: http://osdir.com/ml/debian-user-german-debian/2009-07/msg00070.html (german only :-(). i wonder, if there will once be a _clean_ solution to the issue, whitout having to ping a third server to determine if network is up
12:37.12Titan8990rdz, when using NFS the network should ALWAYS be there
12:37.55rdzTitan8990, sorry.. i don't understand what you mean.. of course, when booting, the nfs exports should be mounted only AFTER the network is configured
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12:38.16rdzTitan8990, of course, from then the network is supposed to be there all the time
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12:38.33Unode|Workhi everyone
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12:39.03Unode|WorkIs there any way to know to which installed package a given file belongs to?
12:39.09Unode|WorkI've looked into apt-file
12:39.22rudi_sUnode|Work: dpkg -S
12:39.24Kamping_KaiserUnode|Work: dpkg -S if its installed
12:39.32Unode|Workthanks will look
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12:40.17superlinuxhi
12:40.22abrotmanapt-file should work even if it's not installed
12:40.57rdzUnode|Work, probably oyu need to do 'apt-file update' first
12:41.00rdzthat takes a while
12:41.01Unode|Workabrotman: i know that, but it doesn't match
12:41.02superlinuxi just wonder how can add more RAM slots or make some sort of expansion on my RAM slots?
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12:41.06Unode|Workrdz: I did
12:41.07abrotmanUnode|Work: which file ?
12:41.12abrotmansuperlinux: ##hardware
12:41.14Unode|Workanyway, the files are located in /emul
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12:41.21abrotmanthose aren't debian files
12:41.57Unode|Workfor the nvidia ones I figured, but I also have alsa compat files there
12:41.57oznthow everyone, can some one tell me where trac keep it data ? i mean the tickets, and wiki pages, on a default install in debian
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12:42.24Unode|Worksuch as /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_conf_pulse.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
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12:43.25abrotmanUnode|Work: and you did the apt-file update ?
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12:43.52Unode|Workabrotman: yes, but they are not found in the testing repo
12:44.01Unode|Workor at least, not in that folder
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12:44.17DassuIf I compile myself a Kernel should I rather use a  kernel  version of precompiled one instead of the latest stable ?
12:44.28abrotmanwhat's wrong with the debian kernel ?
12:44.35Unode|WorkI do find them in some alsa32 package, but they go to /usr and not /emul
12:44.37abrotmanUnode|Work: i'd guess you're using the ia32apt-get ?
12:44.51Titan8990Dassu, did it work?
12:44.52Unode|Workabrotman: no, 64bit here
12:45.03DassuTitan8990: my kernel ?
12:45.08Titan8990abrotman, some people enjoy having their own kernel...
12:45.08DassuTitan8990: The one that paniced ?
12:45.10abrotmanUnode|Work: i understand that
12:45.12Titan8990Dassu, yeah
12:45.18DassuTitan8990: No it didn't :-/
12:45.27abrotmanTitan8990: yes .. i know .. but usually they have no 'good' reason
12:45.31Titan8990Dassu, did you remove the other drivers
12:45.36DassuTitan8990: I downloaded a precompiled one with initrd...
12:46.01DassuTitan8990: Eventhough the ramdisk is useless in this case I don't really have motivation to look for the "bug" or a user error for over 2 weeks
12:46.58Titan8990abrotman, they could be former gentoo users wanting to feel more at home :)
12:47.10abrotmanTitan8990: or they could be in over their head ..
12:47.27Titan8990abrotman, that can be true as well
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12:47.47abrotmanmost people have no idea why they'd ever compile their own kernel .. they just follow some random page and end up with a non-booting kernel ..
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12:51.37Titan8990abrotman, i was there once... I remember in slackware I ran `make install` against a kernel.... it overwrote my existing kernel and i was done
12:51.37emorrisI'm sure Ive asked this before, but there doesn't seem to be a way of searching the IRC logs. Anyhow, what's the name of that package which detects when you insert a network cable, and automatically attempts to connect to the network?
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12:52.04abrotmanTitan8990: this is why we (in this channel) tend to ask people why they are compiling a kernel before we help them further ..
12:52.05Titan8990emorris, i use grep to search my irc logs
12:52.21abrotmanemorris: ifplug ?
12:52.28abrotmanifplugd .. whatever it is ?
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12:53.45emorrisTitan8990, I was trying to search the online logs, and abrotman, that's the one, thanks
12:54.06abrotmanjust uses his brain instead of grep ...
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12:56.54ranixabrotman: wow you can use your brain for that, too?
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12:57.03abrotmanranix: it hurts
12:57.28ranixall this time the only thing I've been using mine for is as a portable storage device for housing my list of web bookmarks and passwords
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13:11.32Dassu!epic
13:11.37Dassugrrrr
13:12.03abrotmandpkg: hi
13:12.03dpkghello, abrotman
13:12.28Titan8990abrotman, pm?
13:12.39abrotmanonly on wednesdays ...
13:12.40abrotmandrat!
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13:12.42abrotmanoh ok
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13:23.16chavodelochohello guys, how can I detect when I have a default gw down? Supposed that I have two ISPs connected on my server
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13:23.50Titan8990chavodelocho, you should only have one default gw/route
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13:24.12Titan8990chavodelocho, thats the whole idea.... go this way when there is no other way to go...
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13:24.31dazmanchavodelocho: The cheap/easy way, and the way I've seen even Cisco devices do, is a basic ping to an internet site - if it doesn't respond, it switches routes.. until the other one is back.
13:24.53Titan8990^ dedicated dual WAN boxes
13:25.27chavodelochoTitan8990, I add two default gw but with different metrics
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13:26.02chavodelochodazman, humm maybe a script doing it to me, right?
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13:27.14chavodelochodazman, I have configured two default gw, with different metrics, and I decrease the gc_timeout
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13:29.58dazmanchavodelocho: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/377 might be of assistance..
13:30.29chavodelochodazman, the Cisco devices didn't use the parameter "preference"?
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13:31.25dazmanchavodelocho: I forget, and I don't have access to it at the moment.  I remember part of the configuration was pinging Google... and if it didn't respond, it switched to WAN2...
13:32.08ranixdazman: so, when google is offline the internet is down?
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13:32.32dazmanranix: That is one downside, yes. :P
13:32.38petemci know pinging google is my standard network test
13:32.53dazmanBut it's one method I see people use to detect this sort of thing.
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13:32.54dazmanIt's not great, but it seems to be used quite a bit.
13:33.21ranixdazman: you could try checking your DNS servers instead, if they go down without the net going down you'd have at least a partial failure
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13:33.37ranixand it would be a real failure
13:33.58dazmanWell, sure, destination of the ping is changable :p
13:34.13ranixjust suggestin' so you don't failover when there's no failure
13:34.44ranixGoogle is inaccessable often enough that it would be bad practice to use that as a rule
13:34.56jimi_hendrixanyone know what package ifconfig is in
13:35.06ranixjimi_hendrix: apt-file search ifconfig
13:35.09dazmanjimi_hendrix: net-tools
13:35.11jimi_hendrixok
13:35.13jimi_hendrixty
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13:41.08chavodelochodazman, I think that I do a script
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13:42.00lolufailis the phpmyadmin package somehow broken? suddenly it tries to login as root (without password) without me pressing login... the only fix is aptitude purge && install it again, and 3 days later, same problem...
13:42.11lolufailwtf?
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13:46.51petemclolufail: its not your browsers fault?
13:47.49lolufailpetemc: nope, different browser does the same
13:48.26petemcif it reproducable, file a bug
13:49.27lolufailit isn't
13:49.35lolufailor at least I can't
13:49.37neggelolufail: you sure it's not just your browser's cache or cookies that messes with you?
13:49.37hiwkI need a lightweight graphical calendar with iCal import capbabilities to simply compare two icals, any suggestions?
13:50.06petemciceowl?
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13:51.50hiwkpetemc: thanks, I'll check it out
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13:55.13kronicwhat's the simplest way to patch the debian kernel sources with the linux-patch-grsecurity2 pakage? I've tried make-kpkg --added-patches grsecurity2 from the /usr/src/linux-<version> directory with no sucess
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13:56.27harrachihi cans someone help me about pictures on debian (minimal one)
13:57.15fireba11?
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13:58.46harrachii installed feh and nitrogen, but it doesnt work;
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13:59.14Titan8990!tell harrachi about doesn't work
13:59.17harrachiit says like; canot open display : 0.0
13:59.31kronicdo you have an X server installed eg xorg?
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13:59.39JPTstart it from a "run" tool of your gui instead of trying it in a shell :)
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14:00.20harrachikronic: yes
14:00.56kronictry echo $DISPLAY in a terminal, should get the viewport
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14:01.28harrachiit says  :0.0
14:02.05kronicdo the said application doesn't work, if you run it within a terminal?
14:02.07kronic*so
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14:02.23harrachiyes
14:02.29harrachiodesn't work
14:03.01harrachii tried also to put pictures as wall paper with feh, and nothing
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14:03.25harrachion graphik mode, a double clik on a picture do nothing,
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14:05.38enmerkarharrachi: which terminal are you using?
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14:06.06harrachienmerkar: what do you mean which terminal ?
14:06.16harrachixterm ?
14:06.28enmerkarharrachi: what's the output of whoami?
14:06.50harrachiroot
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14:07.52ajavidgood freakin morning
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14:08.34harrachiit worked, didnt now that, (nwbe cauz) thanX
14:08.52ajavidoh its my sound
14:09.42kronicnevermind, found the grsec kernel images, that'll work, grsecurity overkill or not recommended?
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14:10.18lvhkronic: it depends on what you want.
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14:10.36lvhkronic: grsec will not magically make your computer perfectly secure
14:10.42kronicgood, that's the answer I was looking, these are mostly internet facing systems
14:10.57ajavidwhat are you talking about?
14:10.58ajavidpeople
14:11.01kronicyeah I know, most vulns these days are daemon related, at least it will minimize the damage
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14:11.04ajavidDebian sercurity
14:11.05ajavid?
14:11.09kronicajavid: grsecurity patches
14:11.09lvhkronic: in many cases such kernel patchsets are used by inexperienced sysadmins as pacifiers to makethem believe that everything is all right
14:11.12ajavidoh
14:11.33kroniclvh: good old security through obscurity "hmm... I don't need know iptables"
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14:11.42giskardsorry guys i have to check something ;)
14:11.44giskard!list
14:11.44dpkggiskard: VATTENE VIA
14:11.56giskardahahah
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14:12.06petemcgiskard: why do italian people seem to use !list so much?
14:12.15stewpetemc: they are looking for pirated movies, usually
14:12.21petemcstew: why italians tho?
14:12.28petemci know what !list is....
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14:12.57stewpetemc: i've asked multiple italian DDs and they all told me "becuase we italians are stupid"
14:13.02petemcheh
14:13.05giskardpetemc, i really don't know i never !list somethign
14:13.17petemcgiskard: you just did it!
14:14.00ajavidlol
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14:14.22ajavidlist is a typical command in XDCC channels on irc networks where they do pirated sharing
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14:14.29giskardpetemc, ahah true. :)
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14:14.46giskardajavid, i think not only in *pirate* channel
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14:17.11cantomaguys, my wmweather+ is telling me wrong information. Its saying that its sunny, but clearly outside is raining. What it could be?
14:17.35logan2hello, I have cloned my hard disk to another hard disk, by "dd -if=/dev/... -of=...", and I can boot the other same box by the new hard disk. but it no longer be able to find my network devices, how to do?
14:17.41abrotmancantoma: freak storm ?
14:17.54EagleScreencantoma: not updated information?
14:17.57petemccantoma: #meteorology
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14:19.05cantoma:)
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14:19.24cantomai even gave him my location -> -location "52'07'03N 00'62'67W"
14:19.32cantomabut it still says that is sunny
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14:23.26runaheyas. is it possible to know the aprox number of files in a filesystem (using reiserfs here)?
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14:24.51petemcfind / -type f | wc -l
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14:25.04petemcmay take a while if you've lots of files
14:25.50runapetemc: yep, that's my prob :) I just need to know an aprox. is it 1MM? 10MM?
14:26.38valdyneasy with fat, hard with any modern fs i would think
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14:32.45g00seruna: if the db is up-to-date-ish : locate '*' | wc -l
14:32.54runag00se: it's not :(
14:32.58ajavidso updatedb
14:33.08ajavidonly takes a couple of minutes on a slow cpu
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14:33.14ajavidless than a minute here
14:33.32petemcthats not representative of how long it would take for other people
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14:33.37petemcand i dont think its cpu bound
14:33.41ajavidwell whatever
14:33.47ajavidpoint is you have to do what you have to do
14:33.51ajavidregarless of how long it takes
14:34.09runaajavid: there're millions of files spreaded in a x/y/z/ dir structure
14:34.20ajavidruna, why do you wish to know this ?
14:34.45runaajavid: because I'm changing the cache from file cache (current) to tokyo cabinet and I need to know an aproximate number of records I'm going to store
14:34.55ajavidI see
14:35.03ajavidThats beyong my
14:35.25runa:)
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14:38.37g00seruna: It's certainly better to use locate unless you plan to nuke the box immediately after running that command
14:38.45runag00se: I'm :)
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14:40.02cantomaEagleScreen, abrotman, petemc, i just tried with different locations and it always says the same. So there is a problem
14:40.12g00seruna: Actually i'd still do it in case you don't immediately. The cost difference between find / and find / + locate '*' is negligible
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14:41.30EagleScreencantoma: you applet may be a shit
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14:41.47petemcweather prediction isnt an exact science either
14:42.11ajavidhehe
14:42.15ajavidit is where I live
14:42.17cantomaEagleScreen, petemc i just went to a page that it gets the information. From there it seems fine
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14:42.35ajavidpetemc, so this is louisiana, is it going to rain... more than likely. EXACT science I tell ya! ;)
14:42.48ajavidcantoma, which program you usuing?
14:42.54alturiakheya. as it seems, debian is switching to dash as default system shell. But despite being listed as valid redirect operator, dash is giving me "dash: Syntax error: Bad fd number" when I try to use ">&"
14:42.57petemcyou would stand a good chance of predicting irelands weather too
14:42.59ajavidcantoma, I'm on stable, KDE3 with kweather kicker applet, work sfine
14:43.16cantomaajavid, wmweather+
14:43.19ajavidswitch it back
14:43.21ajavid!dash
14:43.21dpkgmethinks dash is a <POSIX> compliant shell that is much smaller than bash offering faster script execution and boot time.  For new installations of squeeze and later, dash will be the default /bin/sh.  To switch old installations, "dpkg-reconfigure dash".  To check if your existing scripts will work OK with dash, use checkbashisms from devscripts and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
14:43.27ajavidI learned last night about this dash shell
14:43.42ajavidand it doesn't actively try to be compatible with bash
14:44.08alturiakI wouldn't really mind keeping it as long as it tried to be compatible with its manpage :)
14:44.17ajavidcantoma, any buts on BTS about this package?
14:44.19ajavidbugs*
14:44.36etcan i tell apt not to complain about unsigned packages from a certain repository?
14:44.44cantomaajavid, maybe .. but did some google about it and maybe no one is using it
14:44.47ajavidet, which repo? why not get the key?
14:45.21cantomaajavid, what i found strange is that it always displays the same information
14:45.32etajavid: our local repository
14:45.45etajavid: and there is no key, as i said, they are unsigned
14:45.54cantomaajavid, if i gave him a equatorial location it says the same about england which is wrong
14:46.06ajavidcantoma, use something else
14:46.15ajavidet, i don't know how to disable the gpg key warning
14:46.27ajavidmaybe somethin in apt.conf -- man apt.conf
14:46.32ajavidI don't know
14:46.37cantomaajavid, i could but for wmaker any other option?
14:46.44ajavidcantoma, never used wmaker
14:46.54ajavidI've no idea (KDE all the way)
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14:47.53cantomaajavid, i will see if kweather works fine in wmaker
14:48.09ajavidcantoma, what if the resource it uses has changed abit, so when this plugin tried to get weather it can't properly parse something so it shows whatever is in its buffer from before
14:48.14ajavidsame thing no matter which location
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14:48.25ajavidlook at the code and verify that its using the service correctly
14:48.26spradnyeshhello all
14:48.33ajavidget the source package
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14:48.46cantomaajavid, i just apt-get install kweather but now i cannot execute him
14:48.53ajavidits not a binary
14:49.00ajavidits a applet for kde panel kicker
14:49.07ajavidit must be used with kicker
14:49.17ajavidits a lib
14:49.18cantomaajavid, i don't want kicker
14:49.25cantomaajavid, or kde
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14:49.33spradnyeshi have debian unstable with kde 4.3 installed on my system. the problem is that for applications like iceweasel and flock-browser and even for emacs, when i try to scroll, the cpu usage of X goes up like crazy
14:49.35ajavidyou don't need KDE for weather
14:49.39cantomaajavid, i just want something that tell the weather
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14:50.02spradnyeshthe scrolling however works fine in konqueror; so i'm not really able to pinpoint the problem
14:50.07ajavidcantoma, google "weather <your location code>"
14:50.15spradnyeshi'd really appreciate any help
14:50.34ajavidcantoma, have you tried apt-cache search weather ?
14:50.38nichoshi all, I'm making a debian live CD using remastersys. I modified the xorg.conf in the squashfs, put the file back and then burned the disc but the settings are showing up. Any ideas?
14:50.47ajavidwmweather - WindowMaker dockapp that shows your current weather
14:50.47ajavidwmweather+ - WindowMaker dock app that shows your current weather
14:50.57ajavidthere are two of these, what is the difference? have you tried both?
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14:51.40ajavidweather-util - command-line tool to obtain weather conditions and forecasts
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14:52.27ajavidyou can use weather-util with a python script or a shell script in bash and send the output to libnotify, or xmessage, whatever
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14:52.55cantomaajavid, mostly libs and stuf for gnome and kde.
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14:53.45nichosor does anyone know how to disable zapping in xorg on a LIVE cd?
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14:53.55cantomaajavid, the wmweather is cheat .. just displays numbers that i don't undestand .. the wmweather+ displays an image but you see the problems that i am having with it
14:53.55ajavidnichos, on a live cd? no
14:54.12ajavidnichos, you have to enable it in xorg.conf, and until you restart X, nozapping will not take effect
14:54.21ajavidand I don't think you can enable it while X is running
14:54.26ajavidI could be wrong though
14:54.45nichosajavid, I'm making a kiosk disc and having all those vterms logged in is bad
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14:55.00ajavidI agree
14:55.35ajavidI don't do much sysadmin stuff any longer, I mostly develop now
14:55.42ajavidbeen out of the loop, not sure how to lock down ttys
14:56.07cantomaajavid, weather-util may work but i don't know where to look for the python scripts or shell scripts for it. If you can point a tutorial i can try to follow it
14:56.17ajavidcantoma, I meant write one
14:56.18ajavid:)
14:56.25cantomaajavid, i am not a programmer
14:56.30ajavidlife sucks
14:56.36craigeviledit /etc/inittab and comment out the ttys you dont want
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14:56.51nichosajavid, i mounted the squashFS and made the change to xorg, but when it boots it's a completely different xorg
14:56.56ajavidnichos, listen to craigevil
14:57.03nichosajavid, unless I could put it in xinit somehow
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14:57.18nichoscraigevil, thanks, I'll try that - any idea how to disable zapping?:)
14:57.42cantomaajavid, you mean wmaker and weather forecast
14:57.49esaym153ugh, does apt-cache search acroread return anything for anyone? It seems to have disappeared from the repos...
14:58.12craigevilnichos:  zapping as in ctrl+alt+delete?
14:58.16nichoscraigevil, yes
14:58.19abrotmannichos: vlock
14:58.26ajavidI mean, write a script that runs weather-util, and instead of dumping this out on console, pipe it to xmessage or libnotify (look at these two, libnotify documentation is nice)
14:58.32abrotmannichos: Option "DontZap"
14:58.42nichosabrotman, this is for a liveCd
14:58.48abrotmanso remaster it ?
14:58.52ajavidabrotman, I don't think it can be done live can it? you have to enable this option and restart X
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14:58.59nichosi did, but the live CD doesn't use the xorg.conf I'm putting in
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14:59.10abrotmannichos: is it Debian ?
14:59.18ajaviddebian live?
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14:59.28nichosajavid, it restarts X and then sits at GDM, so it doesn't automatically log in
14:59.31nichosyes, debian
15:00.13ajavidcantoma, gkrellm has a weather plugin
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15:00.34ajavidit should worn on any desktop, including wm
15:00.37cantomaajavid, i will have a look
15:00.47ajavidwork*
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15:01.06abrotmannichos: look at the Xorg.0.log .. see which xorg.conf it's using
15:01.28ajavidvlock huh
15:01.46ajavidcool
15:02.10ajavidvlock either locks the current terminal (which may be any kind of terminal, local or remote), or locks the entire virtual console system, completely disabling all console access.
15:02.45nichosabrotman, it's using /etc/X11/xorg.conf but when you use the livre CD, it doesn't use that file
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15:03.19nichosI mean, it does use that file, but it's different than the one I put there
15:03.32abrotmanit's the one on the CD ?
15:03.41nichosyes
15:04.11nichosi remastered the CD, modified the squashfs, then burned the new disk. but the xorg on the CD is different than the one i put there
15:04.30nichosI don't necessarily need to modify xorg.conf, I just need to disable zapping, if there's a different way to do that:)
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15:05.55craigevilnichos:  you could use the newer xorg from testing or sid, in order for ctrl+alt+backspace to work you actually have to add a line in xorg.conf otherwise its doesnt work
15:06.30ajavidcraigevil, too much trouble
15:06.35nichoslol
15:06.38ajavidway too much
15:06.49ajavidtrust me, I already build xorg7.4 for lenny
15:07.00ajavidit runs beautifullly, but it was a fuckign PAIN to compile
15:07.10ajavidyou don't even wanna know what I went through.
15:07.12nichosis there something I can put in xinitrc to capture ctrl alt backspace? and if so, would it superseed xorg.conf?
15:07.12ajavidahhh boy
15:07.23steven43126wgsilkie: you could probably pipe the names to dpkg and tell dpkg to only fetch packages
15:07.42steven43126oops pressed pgup wrgon window :)
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15:13.51SparFuxHello people! How can I remove all packages xmms2-* ?
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15:14.41spradnyeshi have debian unstable with kde 4.3 installed on my system. the problem is that for applications like iceweasel and flock-browser and even for emacs, when i try to scroll, the cpu usage of X goes up like crazy
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15:14.51spradnyeshthe scrolling however works fine in konqueror; so i'm not really able to pinpoint the problem
15:14.59spradnyeshi'd really appreciate any help
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15:16.49steven43126spradnyesh: try an strace on the programs while you scroll see if you can spot any diff ?
15:16.57steven43126spradnyesh: will produce lots of output :)
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15:17.35steven43126spradnyesh: sounds like it may be toolkit related GTK/QT ?
15:18.25ajavidSparFux, aptitude purge ^.*xmms2*
15:18.26ajavidsomething
15:18.28ajavidI dunno
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15:19.17dbbhello- I have a new debian 5 machine here.. how do I get a copy of the source code for evince, for example?
15:19.32petemcapt-get source foo
15:19.36ajaviddbb, in sources.list, add a line for deb-src
15:19.43ajaviddbb, after which ... do what petemc said
15:19.45NwallinsHi, installed xfce4.  is there a way to get a more integrated desktop -- i.e. automatic menu items for things like synaptic, etc. ?
15:19.52dbbdeb-src
15:19.55Titan8990ajavid, source repos are there by default
15:20.00dbblooking
15:20.10Titan8990Nwallins, automatic menu items?
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15:20.19ajavidI don't assume defaults, people change shit around.
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15:20.55ajavidNwallins, yes
15:21.00Titan8990Nwallins, i don't use a GUI package manager but I have never had an issue with XFCE menu's not getting updated with application installations
15:21.09ajavidNwallins, install package 'menu' and it should run update-menus, if not, manually run it
15:21.12NwallinsTitan8990: yes, i don't have an entry for e.g. synaptic
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15:21.17ajavidit will provide a debian menu with all the items
15:21.31Nwallinsajavid: thanks, I'll check it out
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15:21.39ajavidyour synaptic may or maynot show up in the xfce4 menu, but it will in debian menu
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15:21.50SparFuxajavid: thx.
15:21.59dbbhey all- thx, apt-get source evince worked
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15:22.27Nwallinsajavid: ok, i am looking for something closer to the xubuntu desktop  -- not such a raw, vanilla xfce feel
15:22.38ajavidNwallins, won't fid it
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15:22.50ajavidNwallins, debian maintainers do not supe up the xfce4 distribution
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15:23.00quanttromhello guys, I am having a weird issue with ssh logins. 1 of the users will log in flawlessly, while all other users will not login. In the log file I can see that authentication was successful.
15:23.03Titan8990Nwallins, the xubuntu desktop is IMO the most terrible implementation of XFCE
15:23.03ajavidfind*
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15:23.16Titan8990Nwallins, it takes "light weight" out of the picture....
15:23.17ajavidNwallins, we try to keep things clean and stable
15:23.20Nwallinsajavid, Titan8990: yes, i am not a huge fan of xubuntu
15:23.30Nwallinsbut it is easy for a new user to navigate
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15:23.42ajavida new user will turn into an old user over time
15:23.50ajavidtake your time and learn
15:23.54ajaviddon't look for shortcuts as a newb
15:24.19Titan8990Nwallins, well, i use xfce, and I never use the menu system, i use appfinder to add my most used apps to the panel and work from there
15:24.20Nwallinsheh, i have been running debian for over 5 years.  i like the lightness of XFCE, but not a huge fan of its native interface / metaphors
15:24.52NwallinsTitan8990: ok, I'll check that out too
15:24.53ajavidNwallins, you're not from new orleans are you ?
15:24.55ajavid;)
15:25.09Nwallinsit was my adopted town, but no longer, sadly
15:25.19ajavidnwallins, thats how they pronounce new orleans here
15:25.29ajavidnawlins or somethign, nm.
15:25.40Nwallinsyep -- I am trying to single handedly combat the N'awlins meme
15:25.57Nwallinsthey only say it like that in hollywood ;)
15:26.11Titan8990Nwallins, http://imagebin.ca/view/TrH_Qw-i.html
15:26.54NwallinsTitan8990: looks good -- how much tweaking to get there?  any particular packages?
15:27.11NwallinsFYI, i am running this on ibook g4 with 256MB RAM
15:27.23Titan8990Nwallins, aptitude install gtk2-engines
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15:27.33daxrocEvening all
15:27.47ajavidevening? damn. They day just began here :D
15:27.49Titan8990Nwallins, and I use the slickness theme...
15:28.39NwallinsTitan8990: is slickness from e.g. xfce-look.org or debian repos?
15:28.39ajavid!debstats
15:28.39dpkgdebstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) and http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC)
15:29.07Titan8990Nwallins, xfce-look.org
15:29.34ajavidhuh
15:29.38ajavidthere is an xfce-look ?
15:29.47ajavidcool.
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15:30.04ajavidknew only about kde-look, kde-apps, etc.
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15:31.32daxrocI've been getting quite a few errors over the last hour , http://pastebin.ca/1526652
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15:31.36NwallinsTitan8990, ajavid: basically this is the living room laptop, for basic web browsing by roommates/guests -- so i want it to be a simple intuitive interface.  but lightweight due to 256MB RAM
15:31.46abrotmanbad RAM ?
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15:32.12ajavidseems so, run a memtest
15:32.21daxroclinux iota 2.6.24-7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 2 08:00:29 CEST 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
15:32.28Nwallinsif it apes some OS X eye candy, great ;)
15:32.33Nwallinse.g. dock
15:32.42abrotmandaxroc: is that debian ?
15:32.46ajavid256mb, eyecandy... uhm. yeah
15:33.00Nwallinsi got it running compiz on an earlier install (xubuntu)
15:33.07Nwallinshas a radeon card
15:33.07daxrocabrotman: yes
15:33.29abrotmandaxroc: seems like a hardware issue to me
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15:33.41fishspongehey people - does anyone know why my old debian 3.0 server runs spamd as user "spamcheck" and my new debian 5.0 server runs spamd as user "root"?
15:33.55fishspongeis this a change in newer versions, or should i make a config change somewhere?
15:34.05Titan8990Nwallins, my family doesn't have any issues navigating my xfce boxes, they even know how to startx.... but then again, they don't do anything outside of web browsing
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15:34.44NwallinsTitan8990: i was thinkign it would be ok to boot straight into firefox ;)   but also maybe some music streaming to the stereo
15:34.56ajavidfirefox kiosk doesn't sound bad
15:35.02arvind_khadrihi, i had installed xfce.i want to remove it completely now, i dont want any of its components to left back.should i do apt-get remove xfce*
15:35.06ajavidif that is all they need to do
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15:35.21Titan8990arvind_khadri, aptitude remove xfce4
15:35.25ajavidarvind_khadri, how did you install it?
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15:35.32daxrocabrotman: I think there was an issue with the i5000 moduel for EDAC kernel conflict with the bios tool
15:35.35ajavidarvind_khadri, if you installed with aptitude, it will take care of it
15:35.44ajavidarvind_khadri, if you installed via apt-get, then yes, you can do that
15:35.54arvind_khadriajavid, Titan8990 i used apt-get
15:36.06ajavidarvind_khadri, then your command will be fine
15:36.12abrotmandaxroc: eh .. new bios ?
15:36.12Nwallinsajavid:  that is by far the primary use case, but maybe a text editor to take notes (e.g. on the phone with some service provider)   maybe streaming vlc client
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15:36.26Titan8990arvind_khadri, apt-get leaves depends behind so you will need: apt-get remove xfce4 && apt-get autoremove
15:36.35arvind_khadriajavid, ok thanks... :) it would remove all the apps that came with it?
15:36.39abrotmanTitan8990: not anymore it shouldn't
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15:37.02ajavidarvind_khadri, it will inform you to issue an autoremove, but even if you don't, aptitude (if you launch it after apt-get will take care of it)
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15:37.08ajavidregarless, either way you'll be fine
15:37.09daxrocIt's uptodate afaik
15:37.14Titan8990abrotman, i seem to remember having this discussion before, i will look at the changelogs
15:37.37abrotmanTitan8990: maybe they reverted it .. dunno, i haven't used apt-get for much package management in a couple of years
15:37.39ajavidarvind_khadri, I would advise you to start using aptitude after this
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15:38.07arvind_khadriajavid, ok...
15:38.19ajavid!+tell arvind_khadri -about why aptitude
15:38.20dpkgtold arvind_khadri about why aptitude.
15:39.05Titan8990abrotman, i haven't used it for a while myself
15:39.07arvind_khadriajavid, ohh, isnt aptitude a kind of front end for apt ?
15:39.12ajavidarvind_khadri, yes and no
15:39.18ajavidarvind_khadri, it is, but that not all there is to it
15:39.34ajavidarvind_khadri, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/index.html
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15:40.11arvind_khadrireading
15:40.15ajavidor install aptitude-doc
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15:40.46ip4Hello
15:41.50ajavidhola
15:42.11ip4I need the best debian guru out there, I just made a major fuck up =/
15:42.18ajavid!ask
15:42.18dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:42.27ip4Was poking around in a dirrectory i made in the root (/)
15:42.28sepultkonqueror's java or javascript facilities are buggy or what ?
15:42.35ajavidsepult, kde version
15:42.36ip4Chill, im typing ajavid just trying to be polite :)
15:42.37ajavid?
15:42.50ajavidip4, you don't need to be polite, you need to get on with the support
15:43.03sepulti don't get the flickering barcode like image of my banking transaction
15:43.03ip4ajavid xD
15:43.10ajavidip4, that is a good template to use to ask a good question. use it.
15:43.18sepultbut it's working in opera
15:43.34ajavidkhtml and its js engine are a bit iffy
15:43.39ajavidespecially in kde3
15:44.02ajavidif it doesn't work, use something else (iceweasel usually works on almost everything)
15:44.04ip4Anyway, I was poking around in a dir I made in the root (/) was testing some PHP I made. And I got some brainfreez or something and typ "cd ..;rm -fr *" when in that dir, since I wanted to delete everyting in it. The "cd .." part was the brainfreeze.
15:44.10ajavidsepult, if opera works, keep with it
15:44.15sepultok
15:44.19ip4I was kinda fast throwing myself over CTRL+C
15:44.21ajavidsepult, I would actually inquire kde specific js/html in #kde
15:44.25sepultnext time i know which browser to use for it
15:44.26ip4But seams there is some major damage done.
15:44.31abrotmanip4: restore from backups ?
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15:44.49yaaarhowdy
15:44.56abrotmanip4: you'll have to figure out what is missing first
15:44.58ip4abrotman, Let's say the backups got lost.
15:44.58ranixip4: let this be a lesson to you; stop "testing some PHP I made" as root
15:45.12ajavidranix, good advice for us all
15:45.16abrotmanand stop testing code in / ?
15:45.26ajavidmore good advice
15:45.27ip4Ye ye, it was a major fuck up ;/
15:45.28ranix/tmp is there for a reason
15:45.40abrotmanranix: i heard you can put stuff there .. temporarily ...
15:45.44ajavidlol
15:45.47ranixlol
15:45.48ajavidsmartass
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15:46.01ip4ls is gone, cd is gone, tar is gone, mv is gone, cp is gone, can't SSH in can only use the SSH session that i fucked up in.
15:46.04ip4Hmm
15:46.05abrotmanip4: figure out what's broken first .. reinstall the broken packages ...
15:46.12abrotmanip4: does busybox remain ?
15:46.20abrotmanis ar there ?
15:46.23ip4Well, apt-get tells me that it can't look up the hosts
15:46.29ip4Seams i can't fix it
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15:46.36ajavidoh boy
15:46.36ip4Tried apt-get update upgrade
15:46.37ranixip4: the new "recovery mode" or whatever that's on the Lenny installers is pretty rad; try running that
15:46.38DelphiWorldhello all,
15:46.40abrotmanip4: busybox ?
15:46.41MadGirlbusybox is not an editor
15:46.45fishspongehey people - i have created a "spamcheck" user - does anyone know how to get the spamd processes to run as that user instead of root?
15:46.50abrotmanno one said busybox was an editor
15:46.52DelphiWorldplease how i can setup a PXE boot server using debian4?
15:46.55DelphiWorldwhat i need?
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15:47.08stewMadGirl: it includes an editor
15:47.10ajavidfishsponge, I have no idea, but my guess is that somewhere in the spamd config you could specify which user to launch it as
15:47.22ip4ranix, Hmmm, might try that out.
15:47.25pflanzenetwork-manager applet says for me "no network devices have been found", while I'm connected to a WPA wlan through wpa_supplicant on the commandline right now. What's up?
15:47.26ranixfishsponge: probably the /etc/init.d/spamd script
15:47.32ajavidfishsponge, just like i think in apache you can specify in config whether to use www-data or something else
15:47.43ip4ranix, Too bad I don't have physical access to the server :/
15:47.46ranixyou can see where it sets the user there
15:47.49ajavidit might be a config option, if not, you may need to mess with the init script
15:47.51abrotmanip4: is busybox there or not ?
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15:48.21ip4abrotman, Not what I know of. Don't even know what it is.
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15:48.29ip4((root@stormwind)) /var/www/temp >> whereis busybox
15:48.30ip4busybox: /usr/share/man/man1/busybox.1.gz
15:48.33abrotmanip4: it's basically a huge static environment
15:48.39abrotman!busybox
15:48.40dpkgBusyBox combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilIties into a single small executable.  It provides minimalist replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU coreutils, util-linux, etc.
15:48.46ip4I got the manual for it x_x
15:48.50ip4Maybe the rest got deleted
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15:48.58Titan8990ip4, /bin/bb
15:48.59abrotmanip4: it would be /bin/busybox
15:49.18ip4Well /bin is gone
15:49.23Titan8990^ abrotman is right, its not bb
15:49.24ip4xD
15:49.34arvind_khadriroyally fucked up :D :P
15:49.34Titan8990not in debian atleast
15:49.34abrotmanip4: do you have wget ?
15:49.35ajavidahhh boy.  I would just reinstall at this point.
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15:49.45ajavidthat would be less time and headache
15:50.00abrotmanit's not a local box
15:50.00ip4abrotman, wget seams to be on there.
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15:50.02ajavidoh
15:50.09ajavidooh, damn
15:50.09abrotmanip4: do you have ar and tar ?
15:50.12abrotmanor dpkg ?
15:50.15ip4tar is gone
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15:50.23ip4dpkg also
15:50.23dpkg[also] very submissive
15:50.29abrotmandpkg: shuddup
15:50.29ip4or no
15:50.29dpkgFine, I'll be quiet.
15:50.33ip4dpkg is THER :o
15:50.33dpkgip4: no idea
15:50.34ip4and wget
15:50.45ajavidip4, stop highlightin the bot please
15:50.52ip4Sorry :)
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15:51.06Titan8990ip4, risky but you could try to rsync /bin from a working debian install, but you could have deleted libs they link against
15:51.07abrotmanoh wait .. you can't dpkg -x .. no tar .. hrm
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15:51.23Titan8990oh... probably no ssh I'm guessing?
15:51.33abrotmanthe he has working .. so he could rsync to that box
15:51.33stewnetcat?
15:51.42ip4No netcat
15:51.47ip4Hmm
15:51.48stewno, he only has his current ssh session, i thought, not new ones
15:51.54ip4well
15:51.55ip4maybe
15:52.17ip4if someone makes a file list of their /bin and puts it on server
15:52.20ip4and i wget file list
15:52.29ip4and use file list as input in wget for getting all files
15:52.31ip4=/
15:52.40ajavid!enter
15:52.40dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying.  Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.  If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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15:53.48Titan8990ip4, well... i think you are looking at a life lesson on backing up
15:53.59ajavidno no no no no
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15:54.07brahHow do I tell if the lib is /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib within a Makefile?
15:54.08ajavidlife lesson == do not test php shit in / as root
15:54.10abrotmani suppose someone could just put busybox on an http server for him to wget ?
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15:54.26abrotmanassuming he'd trust it
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15:54.46ip4Right now im thinking that making a small C app that asks me "Do you REALLY want to rm -fr / * ??" would be good.
15:54.58ip4Also, cheaper then backup =(
15:54.59ajavidwhat?! thats fucking ridiculous.
15:55.08abrotmananyways ...
15:55.11ranixabrotman: he can wget the package from the http mirror and unpack it can't he?
15:55.20ranixassuming he has bzip2 still
15:55.27abrotmanranix: no tar, no ar .. i odn't think that dpkg has those statically built in
15:55.47abrotmanat least i don't think he has tar
15:56.15ranixI can stick busybox on a server for you ip4
15:56.17ajavidwhose box is this? who admins it? is this in a data center? dedicated? managed? whats up
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15:56.36ranixif you need. It's not really a good idea to get it off a random dude in IRC, but I have at least a small reputation here
15:56.38ajavidyou can't get any local suppor ton that box?
15:56.41brahI take it ip4 mistakenly deleted a large prat of his fs?
15:56.51ajavidbrah, in / no less
15:56.59ip4Wouldn't this work.... for i in `find /bin/`;do echo http://server.com/bin/$i;done
15:57.05ranixip4: it's a better idea to just ask the colo facility to fix your box or just walk to it and fix it
15:57.11ip4cp -r /bin/ /var/www/
15:57.12brahI hope he's a teenager in his basement.. at least all he could have deleted are pictures of cats
15:57.19brahInstead of important stuff at a big corporation
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15:57.37ajavidbrah, he is 'testing his new php' in / as root
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15:57.42ajavidbrah, he is n't working for any corporations
15:57.51ajavidtrust me
15:57.58brahWell, he'll have to download the cat pictures again.
15:58.03ip4Your saying im unemplyed =( ?
15:58.07ranixajavid: I would suggest that I know some IT guys for hospitals who would do that, but the sad fact is they're far too stupid to even use linux
15:58.14ajavidI'm not saying anything. I shush.
15:58.43ranixso ip4 is on the rung of competency in-between hospital IT and bad corporate IT
15:58.43ip4But yeh, fooling around with Linux is a hobby. I don't work with it.
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15:59.22brahI run as root because I don't have important stuff.
15:59.28ranixip4: unetixs.dyndns.org/busybox
15:59.37ajavidranix, you da man.
15:59.39ranixwget that to /usr/bin
15:59.57ajavidman
15:59.59ip4im on it
16:00.03ajaviddebian is the best community and distro
16:00.05ip4hope i can make /bin
16:00.06ajavidfuck yea.
16:00.22ajavidDebian... like love to me!
16:00.27brahDebian is an operating system.
16:00.33ip4Hmm, how do i mkdir /bin without mkdir =/ ?
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16:00.59ip4ain't got mv or cp either so can't ninja some other dir
16:01.06ip4any good bets?
16:01.09ranixhaha you nuked /bin
16:01.16ranixjust copy it to / and run busybox
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16:01.22ranixthen use busybox to mkdir
16:01.31ranixthen exit, cp it to /bin, and run /bin/busybox
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16:01.46ranixdon't forget to mod it 0700
16:02.15ip4na seams like the poblem is DNS or something gonna try with IP
16:02.20ip4guessing thats why apt-get didn't work
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16:02.56ranix70.184.12.189
16:02.58stewip4: if you don't have tar, cp, mv, etc, apt-get is not going to work
16:03.22ip4ok busybox is on the box :o
16:04.19ranixip4: run it
16:04.23ip4Hmm. Can't execute it tho... ./busybox access denied.
16:04.31ranixyou need to chmod it executable d00d
16:04.36ip4ain't got chmod
16:04.41ranixthen you're boned
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16:04.48ip4>,>
16:04.54ranixwhat are its permissions
16:04.59ip4ain't got ls
16:05.06Titan8990lol
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16:05.20ranixyeah time to take a walk to get comfy with your server, bring a Lenny install disk
16:05.25ip4Im betting I sound realy fucking hopeless right now :P
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16:05.41brahNo, you just sound like an idiot.
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16:05.49arvind_khadrihow about changing the value of umask?
16:06.22arvind_khadriso that when he creates the file, it would be created with those permissions...
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16:06.43ranixbrah: no need to be hostile, bro
16:06.59brahI'm not hostile. Good this is that he'll learn from this.
16:07.05ranixarvind_khadri: feel free to chip in with instructions
16:07.09ranixI don't know about umask
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16:08.02stewbrah: i've silenced you for 10 minutes.  comments like your "idiot" comment are unhelpful and unwelcome
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16:08.31stewip4: there are other ways you could chmod.  can you run any editors?  do you have mc? emacs?
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16:08.49stewip4: if you were able to get busybox on there, you shoudl be able to get chmod on there
16:08.53valdynor "mc"
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16:08.59ip4Hmm no
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16:09.10ip4Hmm
16:09.12ip4what is mcopy?
16:09.21ip4I got that, sound like something that can copy stuff
16:09.38arvind_khadriok, see i just guess that if he changes the value set in umask, the files can be made executable.it takes octal values...
16:09.44valdynip4: not useful for you
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16:10.10stewarvind_khadri: with a umask of 000, files are created 666
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16:10.36valdynip4: go look if you have "mc" or some /usr/bin/dd*
16:11.04arvind_khadristew, ya so he needs to calculate that what will be the bits for setting the execution bit and set the umask value to that
16:11.08valdynerr /sbin/ddrescue
16:11.09stewip4: do you have "cat"?
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16:11.29stewarvind_khadri: i do not believe there is anything he can do with umask to have it create files with +x
16:11.43ip4sec checking around what could be left
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16:12.20ip4/usr/bin is there...
16:12.25ajaviddo you have the option to get local support on this box from the datacenter or whoever is administering it?
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16:12.41ip4Na, must go there.
16:12.48ajavidhow far away is it
16:13.07ip4100 km
16:13.10ajavidooof
16:13.13ajavidnm.
16:13.41macrobatwhat do i need to do to ssh to this host? i get "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host"
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16:15.29stewmacrobat: probably to restart sshd.  i'd guess that there is something wrong with the server, like its out of memory
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16:16.53ajavidhmmm
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16:17.02ajavidip4, so anything materialize yet?
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16:17.38xyanip4: have gcc in place? write your own chmod using fchmod() maybe :)
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16:17.51ajavidxyan, /bin is gone, caput!
16:17.53ip4/etc/init.d is gone
16:18.09macrobatwhen i do "/etc/init.d/ssh start"  it doesnt say its already running, like i expected
16:18.15ranixouch, that's about twice as far as my longer drives
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16:18.23ranixyou're boned, ip4
16:18.27xyanajavid: my gcc resides in /usr/bin not /bin
16:18.32ip4xyan, right now i feel like writing fork();
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16:18.40ip4and just throwing the server in a deep lake
16:18.46ip4and myself
16:18.47ajavidxyan, doh
16:18.51ranixcan you maybe call someone near the server and walk them through pressing buttons on the install CD
16:18.52ajavidxyan, mine does too :)
16:19.10ajavidpressing buttons
16:19.19ajavidlol, its not like a monkey can install debian man
16:19.20ajavidc'mon
16:19.20ranixajavid: the install CD has buttons on it you know
16:19.31xyanbut a chicken can ;)
16:19.41ranixthere's a graphical mode and everything, you can use a mouse to install Debian these days
16:19.59ranixa blind, demented howler monkey could figure it out
16:20.00ajavidim sure if you walk someone through it over the phone on each screen what to do
16:20.10ajavidit could be done
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16:20.17Mike1hey
16:20.20ranixand you're not doing a real install, just a repair
16:20.45ranixit's probably easier than scandisking an ntfs partition
16:20.55ajavidscandisking is not a verb!
16:20.58Mike1how unstable is sid? are there alpha/beta in it by purpose or is it just not much tested?
16:20.59ajavidlol
16:21.10ajavid!tell Mike1 -about sid faq
16:21.24ajavid!dnuts
16:21.24dpkg[dnuts] Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq>
16:21.41ranixlol deez nuts. If I have nuts on the wall, I have walnuts!
16:21.57ajavidMike1, is it fairly unstable for those who do not kow how to use it, it is fairly stable for those who know wtf they are doing in a sense
16:21.58stewMike1: it changes 4 times a day
16:22.12ranix!moving-target
16:22.13stewMike1: 4 times a day packages are installed to it that might have never been tested at all
16:22.14ajavidMike1, its a development 'release', meant for developers
16:22.17ip4Guess I could just download the source for everything and copy and paste it in putty then compile it.... eeeeer yeh right I don't have a editor ;/
16:22.20ranixI always do that
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16:22.24ranix!moving target
16:22.24dpkgSure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system?  Things that worked today will break tomorrow.  Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again.  Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that.
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16:22.40ajavidstew, I thought it was twice a day
16:22.41ranixMike1: imaging a moving target that changes 4 times a day
16:22.51ajavidstew, when did it become more frequent?
16:23.08stewajavid: a year ago?  i don't remember
16:23.17Mike1wants a linux OS on his USB-Stick and needs some up-to-date distro, that's why i thought about unstable ;-)
16:23.18ajavidhmm, same time I started onn stable actually full time
16:23.22ranixMike1: and we're talking things like xorg and KDE and exim and big serious components
16:23.36ranixMike1: Lenny is plenty up-to-date
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16:23.45ajavidlesting is a good compromisse
16:23.50ajavidtesting/squeeze
16:23.53Mike1ranix: for example the kernel is only 2.6.26 afaik
16:23.57ranixtesting would be a good compromize if Lenny wasn't just released
16:24.00ip4Funny thing tho, I tried connecting to my VNC screen. And it worked. But the screen is just black. It's like my window manage got deleted. How can it just delete stuff that is used like that :( ?
16:24.03ranixMike1: bpo a 2.6.30
16:24.09Mike1though i could apt-pinn them out of sid
16:24.14ajavidno need to pin
16:24.16ajaviduse backports
16:24.18ranix!bpo
16:24.18dpkgbackports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers.  Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions.  A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free.  Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update.  See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
16:24.25ajavidalso /msg dpkg ssb
16:24.25stewMike1: you shouldn't mix stable and sid
16:24.39Mike1it's about testing and sid ;-)
16:24.40stewMike1: you have hardware that doesn't work with 2.6.26?
16:24.50ajavidstew, or a file system
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16:25.07ranixstew: valid concern for a usb drive install he's gonna carry around
16:25.09Mike1stew: i maybe will come to a PC with that USB-Stick which has :-)
16:25.10ranixI'd want 2.6.30 myself
16:25.14ajavidin my case its ext4 which makes me require .28+
16:25.25ip4Hey!
16:25.27ip4I got echo!
16:25.35ip4Can't i just echo the /bin dir ?
16:25.57Mike1ranix, ajavid: that's backports for Stable
16:26.07ajavidyes, exactly
16:26.09ranixMike1: yes? And stable is what you should be using
16:26.10ajavidthas what backports are
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16:26.20ajavidranix, I concur
16:26.27ajavidvery strongly agree
16:26.32ajavid*tick*
16:26.57Mike1but if i want a not-ancient X for example :-(
16:27.12ajavidyou'd have to do what I did
16:27.14stewMike1: what do you consider ancient?
16:27.27stew7.3 is ancient?
16:27.34ajavidbuild 7.4 on stable (I did it becuase I wanted free 3D on radeon 1900xt which only comes with 7.4+)
16:27.45ajavidbut yeah, answer stew
16:27.53ajavid7.3 should be fine for the most part
16:28.05Mike1X1xxx cards are not rare
16:28.15Mike1i want 3D for them if possible
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16:28.30ajavidyou can also use fglrx on lenny with x1xxx series cards
16:28.52ajavidif you have r4x chipset you can get free 3d, if 5x or beyond, you need 7.4 xorg
16:28.55Mike1ajavid: the latest fglrx made any other drivers unusable for me oO
16:28.57ajavidbut, you can still get 3d using fglrx
16:29.07ajavidMike1, life is a bitch
16:29.13Mike1sure thing
16:29.29Mike1will get something to eat now and decide later
16:29.37ajavidgood stuff
16:29.45Mike1and some nice chocolate-tea which i bought today :-)
16:29.48ajavidI would chose stable w/ fglrx over unstable
16:29.54ajavidfor you I mean
16:29.59ajavidfor myself, I chose stable with 7.4 xorg ;)
16:30.09Mike1i used testing for some time :-)
16:30.15Mike1which was great actually
16:30.16ranix!why stable
16:30.16dpkgif you have to ask which repository to use, the answer is usually <stable>. In the latter stages of a testing release (see <slushy>) it can sometimes be more useful to use <testing>. Also see <bpo> and <ssb>
16:30.37ajavidperhaps in a year's time there maybe a lenny+half
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16:31.02ajavidI read on some DDs blog that lenny+half will feature .30 I think and xorg 7.4
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16:31.14ajavidI might be mistaken, but thats what I remember
16:31.37azeemajavid: well, the lenny+half BoF at Debconf got dropped after the squeeze freeze plans surfaced
16:31.43azeemso not sure about the current status
16:31.46ajavidI see
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16:32.04ajavidso according to the news, I assume squeeze will be released in feb of 2010 ?
16:32.13omologoshello
16:32.18ajavid1 year after lenny, and then they will resume 2 year freezes
16:32.20ajavidor what?
16:32.21azeemaccording to latest news, the Release Managers have backpadelled
16:32.26ajavidhmm
16:32.38ajavidI have not yet read, been busy with school
16:32.51omologoscan you give me again the url to get installed the iwlwifi
16:32.54azeemwell, it's was a side remark among a 100+ thread on -project
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16:33.01ranixmore like 200 now
16:33.01azeemno official announcement I belive
16:33.05azeembelieve*
16:33.07ajavidI see
16:33.16ranixand there's a lot of drama about the motives of the Canonical guy
16:33.22ranixand general us vs them mentality
16:33.24ajavidman
16:33.30ajavidwhen is there not drama with that dude
16:33.36ajavidheh.
16:33.37ranixI don't know, he's a prick
16:33.45ranixspeaking of prick
16:33.50ajavidI wouldn't namecall
16:34.06ranixit appears the hand of the hour has discovered the prick of noon, so I get to eat
16:34.22omologospeople, i need help connecting to my wifi
16:34.27omologosplease
16:34.31ajavid!iwlwifi
16:34.31dpkgiwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards.  Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi".  "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset.  See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945).  See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>.  #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
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16:36.05omologosok, i've reinstalled
16:36.21omologosbut debian wont accept my root password
16:36.27omologosi am sure it's right
16:36.42omologosit keeps telling me to try again
16:36.50ajavidroot logins are disabled unless you specify a lower debconf priority while installing
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16:36.53omologos:'(
16:36.56ajavidI think...
16:37.13ajavidlogin as user and try sudo su passwd to set the root password
16:37.36omologosi'm loged as user
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16:37.57omologosand i'm trying sudo aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
16:38.11Titan8990ajavid, i have never experienced root login disabled in debian.....
16:38.38ajavidare you sure?
16:38.42ajavidI have.
16:38.50ajavidmy memory is shady atm
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16:39.05Titan8990omologos, if sudo doesn't work you will need to A) use recover mode to give root a pw B) chroot into the filesystem from a livecd -> give root pw
16:39.17ajavidbut I do know for a fact that while installing on default priority it will not ask you if you wish to enable root login or not
16:39.35ajavidbut if you specify debconf_priority=low (expert install) it will ask you if you wish to enable root login or not
16:39.36Titan8990ajavid, i always install minimum (not even standard system), so my boxes don't even have sudo installed with the exception of one I have gnome meta on
16:39.40ajavidwhich is why I'm saying.
16:39.51ajavidSo my guess, is that it defautls to disabled root login
16:39.59ajavidI never use default priority to install so I don't know that
16:40.02ajavidI always use expert install.
16:40.25Titan8990i just do that standard netisnt, never noticed an expert install option
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16:40.48ajavidlets just say I know what I'm talking about :)
16:41.04omologosTitan8990> how do i try A
16:41.38Titan8990omologos, select single user mode from the grub prompt
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16:42.15Titan8990ajavid, and expert install does sudo?
16:42.23ajavidif you want it to
16:42.58omologosok i'll do that
16:43.03ajavida lower debconf priority = more questions the configurator asks you
16:43.05omologosand return here
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16:43.16ajavidcritical or high = least amount of questions
16:43.22ajavidautomatic installs most of the way
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16:43.46Titan8990still not sure i undertand.... if you allow the installer to install sudo, it will lock root account without special debconf priority settings?
16:43.54ajavidhuh?
16:44.03ajavidfirst part yes
16:44.06ajavid2nd part i don't get
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16:44.26ajavidactually I don't get you at all
16:44.37abrotmanno it doesn't
16:44.40Titan8990then we are in agreement of not understanding each other
16:44.58karmewanted to help testing the debian squeeze installer - i tried the weekly cd image and the daily netinst image - both kernels hang on boot after detecting the hard disk and cdrom in mwait_idle - where/how should i report this, or is that a already known problem being worked on?
16:45.05ajavidw/e
16:45.05abrotmani think in expert mode there is an option to disable the root account
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16:45.15ajavidabrotman, yes
16:45.25abrotmani've installed systems that install sudo .. it doesn't disable root
16:45.38ajavid*sigh*
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16:45.40ajavidalright, if you say so
16:45.41abrotmanunless i did something goofy
16:45.50abrotmanyou konw .. like hit enter a bunch of times :)
16:46.01ajavidheh, shaddup
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16:47.56ajavidexact line of questioning = "do you want to enable shadow passwords?" , "do you want to allow root login?" (select no) and sudo will install, and root will NOT have a password set, meaning you can't log into it without doing sudo su passwd as ruser
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16:48.00ajaviduser*
16:48.08action09hi all
16:48.12ajavidthis is expert behaviour. Not sure how the default priority handles it.
16:48.21abrotmanit doesn't even ask
16:48.24ajavidoh
16:48.31ajavidso what is the default behaviour?
16:48.38ajavidroot is enabled?  password set?
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16:48.55abrotmanyes
16:48.59xaashihi, i find myself with  267M  left free from my 15G root partition, is there a quick way to find which apps are taking most of the space so that i can remove them. thanks
16:49.00ajavidoh alright
16:49.02abrotmanyou should try the regular install process :)
16:49.07ajavidheh, yeh yeh
16:49.08abrotman!sort by size
16:49.08dpkg[sort by size] perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package)
16:49.20abrotmanxaashi: how many parititions do you have ?
16:49.42xaashiabrotman: 3 partions, /, /home and /boot
16:50.00abrotmanxaashi: try an 'aptitude clean' .. see what that frees up
16:50.07stewxaashi: debfoster is a nice tool for finding packages to remove
16:50.16abrotmanalso check your /var/log/ for super-sized logs
16:50.17xaashiabrotman: yes, i;ve run that it has cleaned that /var cache
16:50.25ajavidisn't deborphan/foster now functionalized in aptitude?
16:50.36ajavidor do people still need deborphan and/or debfoster
16:50.38abrotmanand then use something like deborphan/debfoster to clean up unused/unwanted packages
16:50.54abrotmanajavid: deborphan works on depends .. so you can still use it to remove the Recommends
16:50.55ajavidI thought aptitude takes care of all those now
16:51.00ajavidI see
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16:51.17xaashicool, thanks,
16:51.35xaashii've just found well over a 2G in /var/log
16:51.52ajavidthat is not unheard of
16:52.00ajavid2G is nothing.
16:52.28xaashilol
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16:52.37Titan8990ajavid, sounds like you lack PCs still running on < 20gb drives
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16:52.50ajavidI do
16:52.51ajavid:)
16:52.52omologosi am here again
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16:53.07omologosi could not get into the single user gnome interface
16:53.16Titan8990ajavid, my gateway only has an 8gb drive....
16:53.39ajavidsingle user won't allow that anyway, you can get out of single user mode with ^D and resume normal system and then get into gdm I beleive
16:53.42Titan8990omologos, no, it doesn't allow for gnome
16:53.47omologoswhen i pick the single usert option form the grub it leads me to a command prompt
16:53.52Titan8990omologos, all you have to do is change root pw.....   passwd root
16:53.56omologosthen??
16:53.56MadGirli guess then is says that you don't have "models.py" :)
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16:54.07leluhey guys
16:54.09ajavidMadGirl, I like fat models!
16:54.10omologoswhith what command?
16:54.20Titan8990omologos, passwd root
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16:54.28Titan8990omologos, man passwd
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16:54.32ajavidno need, simple passwd will do it
16:54.40ajavidwhen single user, you automatically login as root
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16:54.51leluif i have my www directory chowned to www-data how do I get ftp-user to be have read/write abilities when accessed via ftp?
16:54.54xaashithanks all
16:55.07ajavidlelu, put him in the www-data group?
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16:55.24ajavidor make another group called webusers and put www-data and ftp-user in it
16:55.35omologosshould i change the password?, or leave the same?
16:55.38leluajavid: hmm.. didnt think of that I shall try it.
16:55.45omologosit's not like i don't know my password
16:55.48Titan8990lelu, or you could just use webdav
16:56.03Titan8990omologos, apparently you don't....
16:56.05omologosi do know it, but my terminal here wont accept it
16:56.21omologosno, i am sure i've got it right
16:56.53Titan8990omologos, alright, so do nothing and wait for it work
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16:57.02omologos....
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16:57.29omologosok, ill change it
16:57.43Titan8990omologos, if the case is that root passwd was locked, it needs to be assigned a password
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17:01.03omologos!iwlwifi
17:01.03dpkgiwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards.  Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi".  "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset.  See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945).  See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>.  #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
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17:01.46omologosnope
17:01.53omologosit doesn't work
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17:02.13abrotman!tell omologos about msg the bot
17:02.19ewetlag? what is this...? damnit
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17:02.44ajavidlatency
17:02.57acidslephere is an easy one: sed | less does not work at all
17:03.12acidslepwhy is that? is sed using a funny way to write to the termain because of what it is?
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17:03.17ewetajavid, yeah but why ;)
17:03.22acidslepi literally just want to page the help text
17:03.48ajavidits inevitable, inherent, uhm... pick another adjective
17:04.00ajavidinherent to the technology
17:04.05ajavidcan't do anything about it.
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17:04.32sl0ppywill apt-get install ruby gems?
17:04.46ajavidsl0ppy, google for debian ruby setup
17:04.56ajavidsl0ppy, many articles on debian-administration etc.
17:04.57sl0ppyajavid: ok
17:05.11ajavidsl0ppy, or 'debian ruby on rails howto'
17:05.13ajavidetc. etc.
17:05.19sl0ppyi'm just trying to find one gem
17:05.45ajavidwell I assume thats what most people wnat out of ruby is the rails framework
17:05.46sl0ppygem install fails to build it
17:05.58sl0ppythis isnt rails
17:05.58ajavidunless they code for non webby thigns
17:06.12g00seacidslep: sed 2>&1 | less
17:06.26leludoes anyone here know about the wordpress direct file system access transport? and how to set up a server so it works?
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17:06.50acidslepthanks g00se! now ill figure out what thats doing
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17:07.36ajavidacidslep, google bash redirection
17:07.36g00seacidslep: help output is written to stderr. less reads stdout, so stderr has to be redirected to stdout
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17:08.11lindenle1Hi all i used to use hdparm to make my hard disk faster with a pata drive, can i do the same thing with an sata drive?
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17:10.20ewetajavid, it was more an indignant outcry than a question ;)
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17:14.37sphenxesis there a way to install skype on lenny (i686)?
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17:16.15ajavidsphenxes, not the debian way, its non-free
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17:16.45ajavidsphenxes, you can go to skype.com and grab the static compiled binary (that imo is the best) as the non-static may cuase dependency issues
17:16.54ewetsphenxes, the static is downloadable on their site though.
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17:17.12ewetuhh crap :/
17:17.17sphenxesajavid, ewet thanks
17:17.56EitanHello all. I have a problem with my boot sequence. It says: /dev/hda6 contains a file system with errors, check forced. Then it says...
17:19.23Eitanit gives a long list of entries in the following form [....number....] end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector ....number.... then [...number....] Buffer I/O error on device hda6, logical block ...number....
17:20.12Eitanthen after about 100 messages like that, the screen goes blank, then after a few mintues the hard drive light goes out and it just hangs like that.
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17:20.20EitanWhat do I do?
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17:21.06acidslepthat sounds like a bad HD
17:21.34Eitanacidslep: how do I get fsck to fix the errors?
17:21.49acidslepI suggest booting a live cd and fscking from there
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17:22.14Eitanacidslep: what is the command in fsck to check and fix errors?
17:22.36acidslepwhats the fs?
17:22.41Eitanext2
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17:24.23acidslepto check and fix, is fsck -a
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17:24.36Eitanacidslep: ok...
17:24.36acidslepbut i suggest running fsck -nC first
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17:24.47Eitanacidslep: what does that do?
17:25.11acidslepn will run though and check without making changes, so you can decide whether or not you want to risk trying to fix it
17:25.23acidslepyou may want to recover data off the partition.
17:25.41Eitanacidslep: is there any way to bypass the normal boot sequence so I can run fsck without a live cd?
17:25.47acidslepand -C just keeps you informed of its progress
17:26.06acidslepwell, there is. but i don't know how.
17:26.20Mac101hey could anyone help me out i have a base debian install with no net axx connected to a xp laptop with internet connection sharing setup and am tryin to giving the debian box net access?
17:26.24acidslepyou would need to edit the initram i think
17:26.27ajavidhttp://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=134965621421 <- we need motivation like this in our open source world for newbs
17:26.28Eitanacidslep: ok, thanks. i am going to ask.
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17:26.37acidslepokie
17:26.44ajavidmore often
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17:27.09EitanDoes anyone here know how to bypass the normal boot sequence and get to a prompt where fsck can be run?
17:27.27ajavidEitan, boot a live cd
17:27.39acidslepEitan, i think its very difficult
17:28.03acidslepyou need to modify your initramfs to contain enough stuff to run fsck, ive seen it done before. but never done it myself.
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17:29.02acidslepgood luck though, goodbye.
17:29.35Eitanajavid: I mean without a live cd
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17:30.36Titan8990Eitan, edit fstab to make it fsck every mount, and then remove it after
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17:31.36vltHello. What else than /lib/modules do I need to copy from the root fs when I want to put a kernel from one machine to another (and make it work)?
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17:51.21sphenxesI have used the: apt-get autoremove command to remove unused libs on my systerm. It worked fine but I have a simple problem. The texture of xchat, iceweasal,..,etc have changed to dull gray. What lib should i reinstall to get back my old nice gray colors?
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17:51.45Titan8990_sphenxes, gtk2-engines maybe
17:51.58sphenxesTitan8990, thanks
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17:55.20leoventuraI need to install the wlan on a vostro 1310 notebook someone have a tip??
17:55.26dokmahey guys. where can I find the docs on the dm_mod module?
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17:59.02blendmaster1024anyone know anything about debxo?
17:59.06leoventuraI tried to install it with ndiswrapper qnd the windows vista driver...but the device wlan0 not appears
17:59.10blendmaster1024id like a little help with it
17:59.16blendmaster1024(just a little)
17:59.21leoventuraAnd I'm using debian 64bits
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18:01.48leoventurasomeone know how to install wireless device on a vostro 1310??I tried with ndiswrapper but the device wlan0 not appears
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18:03.29ajavidleoventura, what wifi chipset?
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18:04.24leoventuraajavid, Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03)
18:04.26diddyWhat is the job title of the guy who runs network cables for a new network? Is this work part of the CCNA guy?
18:04.37ariel_I am getting from apt-get install ssh, Package ssh has no installation candiate,  This is lenny 5 with the xen aware kernel
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18:05.24ajavid!b43
18:05.24dpkg[b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24.  Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver.  USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>).  802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver.  BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>.  http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx  #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net.
18:05.24ajavidleoventura, ^^
18:05.24leoventuraajavid, it is what I'm get with lspci
18:06.17hobanhello everyone. I am having trouble starting mediatomb as a daemon using /etc/init.d/mediatomb. I can start it by hand as an unprived user or as root with no problems. strace reports SIGSEGV when it's started with the init script and it dies of course. Any ideas?
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18:07.15leoventuradpkg, thnx I'll read it..:)
18:07.15dpkgi haven't a clue, leoventura
18:07.34ajavidits a bot
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18:07.52leoventuraajavid, dpkg?
18:07.55ajavidyes
18:08.01leoventura:(
18:08.10ajavid!dpkgbot
18:08.11dpkgPlease visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>.  Also ask me about <msg the bot>.  We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem.  Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you.  Ask me about <search dpkg>.
18:08.32ajaviddpkg on your system is debian package manager (low level)
18:08.32dpkgajavid: okay
18:08.39ajavidon irc, dpkg is .. oh fuck
18:08.42ajavidon irc its a bot
18:08.47ajaviddpkg forget on your system
18:08.47dpkgajavid: i forgot on your system
18:08.53ajavidgoddamit.
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18:09.09ewetholy crap what's going on? whenever I ask a question I reconnect?
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18:12.36ajavidhuh?
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18:14.44fxinyajavid: huh what ? is the parallel universe ;)
18:14.47syslq78_aptitude purge still leaves config files in my home dir, any way of cleaning it all?
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18:15.28ewetseems I have severe connection problems... investigating... :/
18:16.25ajavidlol
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18:16.42ajavidfxiny, yer a parallel universe
18:16.50leoventuraajavid: the bcm4328 isn't in http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#supported-bcm43xx will that is not supported?
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18:16.59ajavidI do not know
18:16.59Eulexsyslq78_, yes, manually.
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18:17.21ajavidpurge leaves files?
18:17.51Eulexfiles that were created by the program when it was run, such as config files in home dirs
18:18.07Eulexsyslq78_, packages do not know about those config files.
18:18.11ajavidI see
18:18.26abrotmanprobably want b43 not bcm43xx
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18:18.34ajavidI just discovered build-dep
18:18.44ajaviddidn't know aptitude has it (just looked in manpage)
18:18.51cahootnot for 4328
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18:19.36jairhello guys.  I am having difficulties understanding the legal status of using GNU/Linux debian 5.0.2
18:19.57ajavidjair, as long as you are in main, you are free to do with this as you like
18:20.09jairI have a couple of windows monkeys at my organization telling me that there may be issues using debian on our organization.
18:20.37ajavidjair, no issues at all except no corporate/official support contract, but you can get that from debian contractors
18:20.47jairajavid: thank you for your reply, is there something I should read like GPL? or copyleft
18:20.47ajavidjair, other than that, and the fact that there is no warranty
18:20.49cahootleoventura: http://wiki.debian.org/wl  seems to imply 4328 is supperted
18:20.55ajavidjair, yes you should read that
18:20.57ajavid!dfsg
18:20.58dpkgmethinks dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
18:21.06ajavidread this too
18:21.15ajavid!license
18:21.15dpkglicenses are intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free software, or http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/
18:21.17jairyes please
18:21.19Eulexjair, if you're just _using_ the software, the 'virality' of the GPL does not affect you in any way
18:21.22abrotmanjair: there might be regulatory issues
18:21.33jair???
18:21.50stewjair: what issues are they telling you you would have?
18:21.50jairI am just using the OS as layer to install vmware workstation.
18:22.05abrotmanjair: ask them to clarify
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18:23.01ewetokay last try: 1) what can I do to create a dir where user1 can delete files user2 created (or vice versa) and 2) where can I see at what date a package was updated (in security)?
18:23.03jairthey are asking me if is legal to use debian as the base linux OS for 64 thinkcentre desktops.  This desktops are use to teach ibm software, but the we are covered on the vmware workstation license and also the ibm software
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18:23.38Mac101wat cds do i need for debian base install plus desktop ?
18:23.52ajavidjair, debian will not pose any legal isuses, vmware of coursr requries you to legally license the software, but cann run on any platform it is able to
18:23.53Eulexewet, 1) /msg dpkg permissions 2) read package changelogs
18:24.00abrotmanMac101: we covered this earlier ?
18:24.12Mac101now its plus desktop envir* ^^
18:24.20jairajavid: great I understand
18:24.20abrotmanMac101: which DE ?
18:24.21ajavidjair, you can freely use debian to any number of machines
18:24.30jairI will get those two license info links and read it
18:24.31Mac101gnome
18:24.38jairajavid: thank you very much
18:24.41ajavidjair, what exactly do they say will/could happen if you did use debian?
18:24.59spectredeath :O
18:25.00ajavidif they just want to know if it is legal, yes it is fully 100% legal
18:25.06abrotmanMac101: CD1 should have enough to get you going .. it has at least a basic gnome
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18:25.19Mac101ah cool
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18:26.49ajavidspectre, whoooey, I hope not!
18:27.14ajavidbut you're a spectre so you're already dead! ;)
18:27.17jairajavid: yes all they are talking is because they don't know
18:27.26ewetEulex, thanks, I tried http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/o/openjdk-6/openjdk-6_6b11-9.1+lenny2/changelog thogh ... just gives me 404 :/
18:27.58jairajavid: they just don't know about free software and opensource
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18:28.13ajavidthey must have been living under a rock their entire life
18:28.51fxinypinocchio monkeys :P
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18:29.02fxinythey know it ...
18:29.23ajavidpinocchio didn't have monkeys... it had donkeys
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18:29.51ajavidI like donkeys
18:30.07stewanyone?
18:30.07MadGirli think anyone is using xorg-server with USE=minimal?
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18:31.00Eulexewet, hmm yeah, I've seen that being flakey before. check the .diff.gz of the source package, the diff contains the changelog
18:31.30fxinywas that girl a stray bot ?
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18:31.44ewetEulex, I know about file permissions but even 777 and sticky won't help me if I want that user1 may delete files in a sub-dir user2 created -- about the diff: I'll try
18:31.52ajavidjair, there are very good large scale debian deployment methods
18:32.12ajavidjair, also it would be wise to setup a local repository cache perhaps
18:32.16Eulexewet, look up umasks
18:32.22ajavidfor that many number of debian machines
18:32.36fxinygid ?
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18:32.53fxinyewet: ^^
18:33.45ajavidseemed like a bot
18:33.57ajavidhe said anyone, and right split second later that
18:34.29Eulexyeah, putting them in the same group would work too, and would work with the default umask
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18:36.33ewetfxiny, anything I missed?
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18:37.01fxinyajavid: wake up ! -> < ajavid> MadGirl, I like fat models!
18:37.07jairajavid: I am actually copying all the comments from you guys to get back to them.
18:37.18jairajavid: but thank you very much for your information
18:37.22Eulexewet, default 0022 umask grants rwx permissions for the group
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18:39.54spectrei think package upgrades have broken my spamassassin/clamav setup
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18:40.01spectreperl specifically seems to have gone haywire
18:40.02ewetEulex, that means for this mount point - so I need a different mount point? because I don't trust per-process-umasks would be a good idea for a standard user
18:40.19Eulexewet, sorry?
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18:40.27Eulexmount point?
18:40.49abrotmanspectre: do you run your mail server on testing/unstable?
18:41.01ewetEulex, I know two umasks: a command and a mount option
18:41.04fxinyewet: yes , you are missing the set gid bit : Directory Set Group ID -> http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html
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18:41.24fxinyor any google link
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18:42.00Eulexewet, ah yeah, I never used that one
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18:43.21Eulexewet, and yeah, per-process umasks would not be very reliable
18:44.53[Z]daviddmsg dpkg dmm edge
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18:44.57[Z]davidddoesnt work
18:45.01azeemedge?
18:45.06Eulexyou forgot a /
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18:45.15[Z]daviddtry it yoursel;f
18:45.19[Z]daviddwith the /
18:45.27Eulexyeah, there was no factoid with that name
18:45.30[Z]daviddtry dmm first
18:45.42Eulexwhat are you trying to do?
18:45.48[Z]daviddgetting mencoder
18:45.55ewetfxiny, holy mother of jason mewes I totally overlooked that one -- sorry for the noise :/
18:46.09Eulex[Z]davidd, you misspelled etch
18:46.19Eulex!dmm etch
18:46.19dpkgTo add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update.  For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
18:46.43[Z]daviddow i am so phonic oriented edge != etch
18:46.44[Z]daviddsorry
18:46.51Eulex:)
18:46.54jairguys. Thank you very much for all the information
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18:46.59Eulexthink of etch as etch-a-sketch
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18:47.15fxinyewet: heh
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18:51.13twobitspritehow do I tell Debian to not update resolv.conf?
18:51.30twobitspriteI seem to remember some file which you could put defaults for it
18:52.31Eulextwobitsprite, not sure, but resolvconf might help you
18:52.39Eulexthe package, that is
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18:54.55abrotman!fixresolvconf
18:54.55dpkgTo fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>).  Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers).  Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
18:55.13twobitspriteahh
18:55.19twobitspritethat's what I was looking for, thanks
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19:00.23jairanother things I noticed is, I installed the openjdk-6-jre but I can still not open the application I am trying to work with. I keep getting a message from the browser "additional plugins are required to display all the media on this page."
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19:01.34miniBilldpkg-reconfigure locales
19:01.38miniBillis not working for me
19:01.55acidslepminiBill, what does it do?
19:02.23miniBillit seem to work, generates the locales, set the right file in /etc, but the command "locale" still shows C
19:02.28miniBilleven after reboot
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19:05.17g00sejair: afaik it doesn't do browser association. Try the Sun one
19:05.41TrueDDHi all
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19:06.39TrueDDhi miniBill
19:07.24miniBill(it's considered unpolite to fill chats with "hi" messages, if the chan is crowded)
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19:08.16ranix!hi
19:08.17dpkghello, ranix
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19:08.21spectrehi miniBill
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19:08.27spectrehi ranix
19:08.36spectre!hi
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19:08.42spectrehi dpkg
19:09.07DetroitLibertyPe!Chuck Norris
19:09.08dpkgchuck norris is probably ROUNDHOUSE KICK!, or known to donate blood frequently. Just not his own.
19:09.14jairg00se: yes, that is a very easy suggestion but I am trying to stay away from non-free stuff
19:09.32jairg00se: and I know that sun-java is not free software
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19:10.03miniBillI'm a stupid
19:10.04miniBill:(
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19:10.55g00sejair: icedtea-gcjwebplugin then. But you won't get an applet console
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19:13.48kc8pxyi'm tired of multiple users having to do lots of config to connect to our jetdirect printer. where is a howto/person that can help me setup my debian lenny server to be a cups server allowing a simple remote cups server?
19:13.50gregcoiti have a debian box in the cloud that responds when I type telnet localhost 25, but not telnet domain.com 25 - any suggestions?  I can see the server from my desktop at domain.com...
19:13.56twobitspritehmm... ok, so one more question about dhclient... in the dhclient.conf, I see how to supersede the domain-name-servers and the domain-name, but how about the search field?
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19:15.05abrotmangregcoit: firewall? what is your smtp server ?
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19:15.59gregcoitabrotman: smtp is postfix and firewall is def an possibility, but I've opened all the ports for testing
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19:16.26abrotmangregcoit: use netstat .. which addresses are listening on 25 ?
19:16.39ewetthe sad thing is the sub-dirs will not inherit the setgid bit from the shared-folder dir. so sooner or later I will hear complaints about somebody not being able to alter a file.
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19:20.09sneezewortHello. I am trying to install Debian on a server with the H8DMR mother board. This motherboard has the NVIDIA nForce 550 chipset and as a result the nForce network adapter. My problem is when I try to install it does not detect the network adapter.
19:20.52sneezewortAre there Debian drivers for this network adapter yet?
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19:21.19sneezewortSupermicro has dirvers for redhat. Will those work in Debian?
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19:22.23manderhow to block connection who has a big size of data "Flood" ?
19:22.31gregcoitabrotman: sorry - don't know how to use netstat - can you tell me which flag will get the info?
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19:27.08morpheus__gregcoit, www.netstat.net
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19:27.14gregcoitabrotman: netsta -an shows tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:25              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
19:27.15g00sesneezewort: Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
19:27.33gregcoitmorpheus__: thanks
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19:28.45mederEsitegcc is in /usr/bin/gcc, however typing 'gcc' brings up that it isnt found, how do i hook it up permanently?
19:29.00mederEsitefresh lenny to sid, os.. this lappy is 2 hrs old
19:29.41morpheus__set the path mederEsite
19:29.54ranixstop saying lappy
19:29.57mederEsitewill setting the path with export PATH be permanent?
19:29.58gregcoitmederEsite: /usr/bin is not in your path? (that would be strange btw)
19:30.06mederEsitegregcoit: i think it's just gcc.
19:30.14themillmederEsite: only just installed gcc? "hash -r"
19:30.32mederEsitehuh? 'hash -r' didnt seem to do anything
19:30.43mederEsitei went into aptitude and recently added gcc, btw
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19:31.06themillmederEsite: and after running hash -r, what does running "gcc" do now?
19:31.24tuantubmederEsite: what exactly does your terminal say when you type gcc ?
19:31.53mederEsitebrb suicide, i got gcc-4.4.4 but not 'gcc' itself, however there *was* a /usr/bin/gcc already.
19:31.59mederEsiteall is well, thanks ;)
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19:32.45mederEsiteon to my next question, is there a gui i can use to hookup a second monitor, or do i have to manually edit x11.conf?
19:33.21gregcoitmederEsite: if you have the closed-source nvidia driver it comes with nvidia-settings
19:33.40mederEsitei don't even know what driver/video card this thing has.
19:33.46mederEsitecould've sworn it was ati though
19:33.47gregcoitmederEsite: ahh, ok, nm
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19:35.12mederEsiteoh, awesome.
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19:45.55toxygenhi
19:46.14toxygeni would like to ask about django package update status. it wasn't updated for a while and contains tons of bugs
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19:46.32stewtoxygen: is there a wishlist bug filed?
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19:47.20toxygenstew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=python-django;dist=unstable
19:47.24toxygensome are
19:47.25toxygenmore are not
19:47.34stewtoxygen: doesn't look like it.  if there is a new upstream version, which might fix things, a wishlist bug pointing out the new upstream version is the right way to go
19:47.54jairg00se: alright sorry I stepped out from my desk :)
19:48.00toxygenstew: 13
19:48.03jairg00se: I will try that plugin to see
19:48.06toxygenstew: http://code.google.com/p/scalereg/issues/detail?id=13
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19:48.08toxygenthis one for instance
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19:48.21mederEsite^ has anyone got this after updating kernel?
19:48.53stewtoxygen: if any of the bugs have patches, or would be fixed by an upstream version, sending email to bug#@bugs.debian.org (where bug# is the bug# from the bts, such as 512212) is a good idea
19:49.15toxygenok, i will do that after dinner, thanks for info stew
19:49.17toxygenappreciated
19:49.17abrotmangregcoit: sounds like a firewall
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19:51.18jairg00se: you are THE MAN
19:51.46jairg00se: the icedtea plugin works that is all I needed :) and I am staying away of that sun-java thing
19:51.58jairg00se: thank you so much for the help
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19:55.07gregcoiti have a debian server that responds when I type telnet localhost 25, but not telnet domain.com 25 (from the server) - any suggestions?  I can see the server from my desktop at domain.com so dns is correct.  netstat -an | grep 25 gives me: tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:25              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
19:56.08gregcoitabrotman: sorry - dodn't see your responce.  Does debian have a built-in firewall?  I've opened up Amazon's ports to the server...
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19:56.44petemcits common for port 25 to be blocked by consumer isps
19:57.06abrotmangregcoit: no .. but there could be any number in between
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19:57.43gregcoitbut this is a server in the cloud - it can't connect to itself by name - only by localhost
19:58.07dondelelcarogregcoit: it should actually be able to do both
19:58.16gregcoitdondelelcaro: agreed
19:58.23gregcoithence the issue
19:58.43dondelelcarogregcoit: if domain.com doesn't resolve to an IP which that server is listening on, though, it won't be able to unless the machine which has that IP is properly configured
19:58.57dondelelcarogregcoit: what is the output of ip addr; and dig domain.com; ?
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19:59.42gregcoitdigg: command not found
19:59.56gregcoitnslookup domain.com responds with the right ip
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20:00.27yipstaris changing a partiton from Linux to Linux LVM dangerous?
20:00.42valdynyipstar: no
20:00.49valdynyipstar: its safe and does nothing
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20:01.08yipstarvaldyn: ok because i had an lvm partiton and accidently changed it to linux somehow
20:01.18yipstarand i need to change it back or on reboot i'm assuming my lvm won't work
20:01.45dondelelcarogregcoit: it's dig, not digg. does the ip that ip addr; reports match the ip that dig returns?
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20:02.29yipstarvaldyn: cfdisk is telling me this may destroy data on the disk
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20:02.55valdynyipstar: cfdisk is stupid
20:03.08valdynyipstar: same warning for *any* change to your partition table
20:03.32yipstarso in theory my mistake can be corrected?
20:03.44valdynyipstar: it can be corrected
20:03.59yipstarsorry for being risk averse, i'm just very worried i messed something up and i'd get in a lot of trouble
20:03.59gregcoitdondelelcaro: dig matches nslookup - but not /sbin/ifconfig (ifconfig has a local address - it's how amazon set's them up)
20:04.06valdynyipstar: partition type ids really  dont have a meaning *most* of the time
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20:05.56errotanhi guys. anybody can tell which gcc version was used to compile the official packages in lenny ?
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20:06.29yipstarvaldyn: and the original lvm type seemed to have got changed to linux in that process
20:06.51yipstarif i just set the lvm type back i'll be ok? my lvm was running the whole time and seems fine
20:06.55valdynyipstar: writing the table might have killed your data
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20:07.06valdynyipstar: i already said a few times that partition type id is irrelevant
20:07.10yipstari can write to it right now it was mounted
20:07.29yipstarit was mounted while i was doing the fdisk stupidity
20:07.39valdynyipstar: irrelevant
20:07.57yipstarvaldyn: so i don't really need to change it back to lvm?
20:08.04valdynyipstar: right
20:08.05DassuOk. Is there a way to reset video card ?
20:08.28jairwill it hurt the system to have multiple versions of java?
20:08.59jairI was trying to use the openjdk version since is free software but did not work for the application I am trying to work with
20:09.04yipstarvaldyn: if my lvm partition is working, and i can write data to it ok, can i assume that my stupidity didn't really break anything?
20:09.12valdynjair: does debian support having multiple versions of java installed?
20:09.13jairI guess I will have to use the sun-java non-free one :(
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20:09.39jairvaldyn: thank you very much for rephrasing my question, (english is not my native language)
20:09.52valdynjair: i was trying to get you to use your own brain
20:10.31jairvaldyn: how many languages do you speak?
20:10.43ranixjair: if I remember correctly, the nonfree java and the openjdk version conflict
20:10.44harrachihi,
20:10.56ranixjair: so apt will remove one when you install the other
20:11.16jairI see
20:11.21harrachiis it normal that when i type sudo, it says bash:sudo:command not founs ?
20:11.24valdynthey dont seem to conflict
20:11.32ranixweird
20:12.01valdynwhich means you can have quite alot of java versions installed just with whats in debian
20:12.19jairvaldyn: so how many languages do you speak I am asking
20:12.21dutchfishharrachi, is package sudo correct configured? /etc/sudoers
20:12.28ranixvaldyn: you checked the non-free JVM against the open JVM?
20:12.33harrachinwbe : i'll see
20:12.37ranixand they don't conflict?
20:12.40valdynjair: i only really speak english and german very well
20:12.48jairgood
20:12.58ranixvaldyn: only german and english are very well spoken by me
20:13.30jairI don't know if I am confortable with this type of comments => "i was trying to get you to use your own brain"
20:13.36jairvaldyn: I don't know if I am confortable with this type of comments => "i was trying to get you to use your own brain"
20:13.51harrachidutchfich: havent got sudoer file !! is it normal? what can i do?
20:13.59valdynjair: heh
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20:14.02valdynjair: thats ok
20:14.10ranixjair: I think he was afraid you were trying to extend your timeshare of his brain, he was worried about the cpu time being exceeded
20:14.11dutchfishharrachi, /etc/sudoers mind the s
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20:14.49dutchfishharrachi, and you must be root to access it
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20:15.12harrachidutchfich: yes, yes , i dont see it on the file manager
20:15.24dutchfishharrachi, dpkg -l | grep sudo ?
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20:16.19jairvaldyn: ranix I think we should focus on helping and collaborating all levels of debian users so comments like those really upset people and make them not comeback here.  People is here to talk, learn, get support, etc.. nit to get smart asses come with immature insults.  and I will leave it there and focus on Debian now.  you get my point.
20:16.33valdynranix: i just ran "aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk sun-java5-jdk sun-java6-jdk default-jdk"
20:16.38harrachidutchfich: it comeback to the line
20:16.51ranixweird
20:16.58valdynjair: take it to the ops
20:17.00dutchfishharrachi, if 1 line can you paste it otherwise use pastebin
20:17.27jairthank you for the suggestions and help on openjdk and sun-java
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20:19.18harrachidutchfish:but it gives nothing
20:19.38dutchfishharrachi, then its obviuosly not installed ie aptitude install sudo
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20:20.28harrachidutchfish: i ve used before !!!
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20:20.48dutchfishharrachi, thenits no longer there
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20:21.13jairranix: so I am installing the sun-java none-free version :(
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20:21.36jairranix: I was hoping the openjdk to do the magic
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20:23.17harrachidutchfish: thanx, i ve installed it,
20:23.19harrachi:)
20:23.25errotananybody can tell which gcc version was used to compile the official packages in lenny ?
20:23.28dutchfishharrachi, yw
20:24.02dutchfishharrachi, you still need to add use foo to /etc/sudoers in the right fashion ....
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20:25.08harrachidutchfish: what is it? how?
20:25.31hobanhello everyone. I'm running squeeze. http://pastie.org/581823 any ideas?
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20:26.10harrachidutchfish: also, /etc/sudoers/ doesnt exit
20:26.40dutchfishharrachi, a line stating what the respective user may or may not like granting all ...  userfoo ALL=(ALL) ALL or any othe mrore restricting phrase (see manpage)
20:27.09Titan8990hoban, try: dpkg --configure mediatomb-daemon
20:27.13dutchfishharrachi, /etc/sudoers (its a file)
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20:28.30hobanTitan8990, thanks for the suggestion. same error as before
20:28.38harrachidutchfish: ok, ;)
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20:29.07hobanTitan8990, subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
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20:30.47FTell me about why the console of the VMware Server 2 on Debian Lenny is unstable?
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20:31.12zinxF: please contact VMWare
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20:31.37abrotmanor ask #vmware
20:32.07abrotmanpersonally misses the old console client from 1.x
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20:32.38jairF: what do you mean?
20:32.59jairF: are you using vmware server or vmware workstation?
20:33.08Fjair
20:33.11jairyes?
20:33.13Titan8990hoban, you need to pastebin it
20:33.26abrotmanhe should ask #vmware
20:33.27Fmy conection with my console, sometimes down...but back soon
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20:33.58dutchfishhoban, because that apckage is build against ffmpeg-debian have you installed it correclty?
20:34.07Titan8990hoban, "mediatomb depends on mediatomb-daemon (>= 0.12.0~svn2018-3); however: Package mediatomb-daemon is not configured yet.
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20:34.41jairabrotman: I know but I have some experience on vmware and debian so I am trying to see if there is something I can tell him that is useful before going to #vmware
20:34.51hobanTitan8990, http://pastie.org/581838
20:35.00abrotmanjair: you could go with him to #vmware
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20:35.17Fjair u speak portugues?
20:35.21Fportuguese*
20:35.28jairabrotman: you could go jump into the michigan lake, I will help whoever I want to help
20:35.33hobandutchfish: I see no package available called ffmpeg-debian
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20:35.41abrotmanjair: vmware is not distributed by debian, take it to #vmware
20:36.13dutchfishhoban, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=509918
20:36.35jairF: abrotman is right. so you want to know about vmware on debian you can keep talking to me, if you have questions about vmware server, then you will have to go discuss about it in #vmware
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20:36.57jairF: and I speak little muito poco fallo
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20:37.15jairF: eu fallo espanol igleis
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20:37.21jairingleis poco
20:37.30abrotmanplease speak english here
20:37.47RichiH!pt
20:37.47dpkgPor favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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20:38.56hobandutchfish, looking now
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20:40.43harrachidutchfish: sudoers is an empty file ?
20:40.51dutchfishharrachi, nope
20:40.51hobandutchfish, http://pastie.org/581852
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20:42.37hobancan someone pastebin me a working squeeze sources.list?
20:42.44abrotmanwhat's wrong iwth yours ?
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20:43.00dutchfishhoban, 3.8.2 <-> ffmpeg 3:20080706-0.3 3:20081210-0.1
20:43.20hobandutchfish, ?
20:43.39abrotmandeb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/debian squeeze main
20:43.52hobanabrotman, thanks
20:44.04dutchfishhoban, i suspect thats why it is conflicting, somehow it wa sbuild against a different version then yours
20:44.25hobandutchfish, I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze
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20:44.58dutchfishhoban, yep, its squeeze/sid that hold the bug
20:45.18hobandutchfish, so I'm just out of luck till it gets fixed?
20:45.20dutchfishhoban, sorry cant help that
20:45.57dutchfishhoban, but you can watch the trail and its outcome http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=509918
20:46.08hobandutchfish, thanks for the help
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20:55.46DSX-Gurunow im wondering, is there a nice remote admin tool for it?
20:56.51petemcnot unless you consider a text editor a nice remote admin tool
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20:57.13DSX-Guruno, I dont
20:57.21petemcthen no
20:57.32yuastnavUh, what dependencies do the nvidia drivers have? I mean, I'm running Lenny and thus have the 173 drivers. Can I safely install the newest ones?
20:57.38petemctheres vexim, but im not sure its still developed, and its not packaged for debian
20:57.48eOlivaI read this page "http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/" and just for sit the things in my mind...If I use this AMD64 port, I would be able to use 32bit packages too? If AMD64 packages wasn't ported yet?
20:58.03valdyneOliva: no
20:58.11DSX-GurueOliva, no
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20:58.38JPTyuastnav: nvidia drivers should usually work
20:58.41eOliva"Native execution of legacy 32bit binaries is supported by the kernel, and core libraries are provided by the ia32-libs package."
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20:58.47eOlivawhat does it means?
20:58.52yuastnavhmm okay, thanks
20:59.05mederEsiteeOliva: it's pretty self explanatory
20:59.05JPTyuastnav: just try it... if you get errors, use the working binary instead ;)
20:59.10valdyneOliva: it means you can run 32-bit software, but it does not mean there you can install i386 debian packages
20:59.17CopeIn the dim and distant past I used to use mkintrd-tools - I need to rebuild an initrd - what should I use on lenny?
20:59.31eOlivavaldyn, ooohh right!! I got it
21:00.17valdynCope: mkinitramfs from the package initramfstools
21:00.36valdynCope: initramfs-tools
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21:01.24Copevaldyn: im trying to get a Xen domU to work on CentOS - if I run mkinitramfs chrooted into a debootstrap, is it going to make an initrd based on the dom0 kernel?
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21:01.48valdynCope: i dont know xen terminology
21:02.13Copevaldyn: sorry - Dom0 is the host OS - CentOS, DomU is the guest - Debian
21:02.14valdynCope: it will create an initrd with the modules found at /lib/modules/<version>
21:02.19Copeah ok
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21:02.23eOlivaso, as I bought a Phenom64bits quad core processor, the better solution is to use i386 and operate in 32bits
21:02.45valdyneOliva: theres not much software at all that is not ported to amd64
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21:03.24valdyneOliva: however if you have less than 4G of ram then theres probably no drawback to using i386
21:03.52CopeCannot find /lib/modules/2.6.18-92.1.6.el5xen
21:04.00CopeSo it's taking that from the running kernel
21:04.04CopeCan I override that
21:04.11valdynCope: see manpage
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21:06.43Copepuzzles
21:07.14CopeI can't see how to tell it to use /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 from my chroot
21:09.39Copehacks it with a symlink
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21:10.28stewCope: you can't use 2.6.26 modules in a 2.6.18 kernel
21:10.45dutchfishCope, which xen version are you using, is this debian dom-0?
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21:11.42Copedutchfish: the dom0 is centos - i want a debian domU, so I've done a debootstrap install, but I'm unable to boot it
21:12.07petemcpygrub works for me
21:12.09dutchfishCope, you can run any xenified kernel in dom-U that has been supported by debian
21:12.28Copestew: I don't know how mkinitramfs works... i wondered if it could use the modules in the chroot
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21:14.12dutchfishCope, setup /etc/xen/foo.cfg to point at the right kernel 9i dont know the path in centos) after that you can mount the image in the dom-0 chrooted and just run initramfs tools to create the appropriate initrd
21:14.25caretamy gdebi package installer is not working - when I ask it to install a package it just sits there and does nothing... I think it has to do with the fact that my user is not root, so is not able to install packages. How do I configure gdebi?
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21:15.23dutchfishCope, which xen version btw?
21:15.37campassicareta. you must be root to install packages
21:15.48Copedutchfish: 3.0.3
21:16.46caretacampassi, yes i know that. But gdebi is a way to install packages graphically, so when I click on a package in gnome it is supposed to install packages as root, or else it is useless
21:16.58dutchfishCope, yes, that can be done. Nicer (what i do): prepare a netboot/PXE environment (may on a vm) and netboot with the debian installer starting
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21:17.33campassicareta, on the command line, just run sudo gdebi pkg.deb
21:17.49dutchfishCope, then install linc6xen i the dom-0 and xen-tools
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21:18.00dutchfishCope, the later is optional
21:18.06caretacampassi, if i want to use the command line, i use dpkg. Using the command line with gdebi-gtk invalidates its purpose
21:18.16Copedutchfish: the debootstrap seemed to work fine, but xen has problems with the disks i specified in the chrooted debootstrap system
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21:18.29campassidpkg doesn't resolve dependencies, gdebi does
21:18.29dpkgcampassi: i don't know
21:18.31dutchfishCope, remember that a guest dont need to install a kernel by itself
21:18.43dutchfishCope, its booted from out the dom-0
21:18.45Copei used /dev/xvda1 and /dev/xvdb1 for / and swap
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21:19.01Copebut /dev/xv* does't exist on the dom0
21:19.04dutchfishCope, thats ok
21:19.11dutchfishCope, iSCSII?
21:19.28Copei'm just using sparse images atm to test
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21:19.49dutchfishCope, dont, go by lvm2 thats better, easier to maintain, and alot faster
21:19.56caretacampassi, I'm talking about gdebi-gtk, not gdebi in the command line. If I have to resort to the command line, I don't care about gdebi. My point is that gdebi-gtk must install packages properly by asking a su password as synaptic for example
21:20.25Copedutchfish: that's what i usueally do in prd, but i didn't build this dom0 and there's not a convenient VG
21:20.31caretaI'm just wondering if it doesn't work because of my configuration, of if its not supposed to work. If its the latter case, I will file a bug report
21:20.39dutchfishCope, ah ic
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21:21.46dutchfishCope, if you not so comfortable with debian on dom-U, thi smight help: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
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21:22.46delaman1hello i am having trouble with my printer,,, it is a canon imageClass d320
21:23.54delaman1it picks up the driver as a generic one (d300) but does not print
21:24.02dutchfishCope, Cope btw i still prefer the 2.6.18 kernel
21:24.11dutchfishCope, for dom-0 that is
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21:24.51CopeI've got a bit further now... xm create is now seemingly hanging at:
21:24.59Copedone.
21:24.59CopeBegin: Mounting root file system ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ... done.
21:24.59CopeBegin: Waiting for root file system ...
21:25.13Copeah!
21:25.15Copeit gave up
21:25.29Copeand now i'm at an (initramfs) prompt
21:25.31dutchfishCope, creating the hooks take some time so
21:25.56dutchfishCope, reread your config file for the dom-U
21:26.09dutchfishs/dom-L/dom-U
21:26.54dutchfishCope, it must point to a valid kernel and init-rd
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21:27.52Copedutchfish: not sure I understand; I installed  linux-image-xen-amd64 in the chrooted debootstrap
21:28.03Copewhich is what pygrub has tried to boot
21:28.05dutchfishCope, you could simply run your kernel wich you have in your centos dom-0
21:28.19Copedutchfish: how would i do that?
21:28.38dutchfishCope, configure you foo.cfg file for that particular dom-U
21:28.54dutchfishCope, dom-U*
21:29.22aboyzHi, can someone help me with a bash script. I got a folder /home/dump/ , file are being generated in there like pricelist.xml . Now how do I make a script to search for new file in there and rename it to dump.xml. thanks.. Can I do this with a if else fi statement please advise. Here is what I got so far.. http://pastebin.com/m692f746e
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21:30.52dutchfishCope, doesnt centos have an equiv for xen-create-image ?
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21:31.42dutchfishCope, it create all hooks automagically
21:32.18dutchfishCope, or XM foo commands?
21:32.42Copedutchfish: i've always used virt-install to create centos dom-U before;
21:32.54CopeI've never used debian under xen before
21:33.19Copeused debian for years and years, but this business of trying to get it to run under xen is confusing me
21:33.26dutchfishCope, well virt-manager could do it too, but i like the xm tools more (more control)
21:33.59dutchfishCope, when the dom-0 was debian it would tak eno more then 30 min
21:34.11Copewell, what I did was to do a basic debootstrap, which was fine
21:34.25CopeI chrooted into it and then aptitude installed a xen kernel
21:34.27Copeand grub
21:34.35Copeand configured /etc/fstab
21:34.38Copeand so forth
21:34.47Copeexited, unmounted the image
21:34.53Copeand did xm-create
21:35.05dutchfishCope, you are forgetting the hookds,libc6xen, locales, etc etc an dmanually writing the foo.cfg in /etc/xen (dom-0)
21:35.18dutchfishs/hookds/hooks
21:35.26Copeyes, i wrote the domain config manually
21:35.45dutchfishCope can you paste it to pastebin?
21:35.50Copedutchfish: sure
21:36.21Copehttp://pastebin.com/m26fe198e
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21:38.09dutchfishCope, http://debian.pastebin.com/m3a074f0e (exmaple that works on debian)
21:39.20dutchfishCope, you can adept to your non-lvm2
21:40.22Copedutchfish: thanks; not sure how to reference the disks; they're /dev/xvda1 and /dev/xvdb1 in fstab and in menu.lst on the debian domU (that hasn't booted yet)
21:40.24dutchfishCope, it needs akernel (OUTSIDE the vm) ;)
21:40.39Copedutchfish: yeah that mkes sense from your example
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21:41.33dutchfishCope, hold on example coming
21:42.28dutchfishCope, form within the dom-0: http://debian.pastebin.com/m2dec5c87
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21:43.37eevar2is installing from the (text-mode) livecd viable?
21:44.18dutchfishCope, and from the dom-U http://debian.pastebin.com/m370ce098
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21:45.31dutchfishCope, and ... there is no linux-image-foo installed inside dom-U
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21:46.43dutchfishCope, so you just reuse a xenified kernel wich you already (have/have not) installed within Centos dom-0
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21:48.07Copedutchfish: ok, here's what I have atm:
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21:49.11Copehttp://debian.pastebin.com/m54367914
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21:49.19Copethat's my domain config
21:49.26Copeand here's what happens
21:49.29EitanHello all. My debian drive is having trouble booting. It goes through the boot sequence, detects errors, forces fsck, and then has I/O errors during fsck. When I cancel fsck, it lets me continue the boot sequence. But when I type my password at the gdm prompt, it just hangs.
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21:49.42EitanWhat should I do?
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21:50.24nevynreplace the disk?
21:50.43Copehttp://debian.pastebin.com/m16db5926
21:50.49EitanNo... I mean, what should I do to repair or recover the disk at least to get my files off it?
21:50.51dutchfishCope, asuming that the hooks are properly build on creation of the image that should work
21:51.16dutchfishCope, and double check the fstab inside dom-U
21:51.44nevynEitan: dd the contents with options to skip rather than retry bad reads.
21:51.48nevynthen fsck that image
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21:52.45Eitannevyn: right copy it to a good drive... but before doing that, I want to try to simply access the files on it and just copy them off filewise without doing a bitwise copy. How do I do that?
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21:53.06nevynEitan: you can't confidently do that.
21:53.16Eitannevyn: why not?
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21:54.18nevynEitan: if you mount it readonly it might be ok.
21:54.37Eitannevyn: how do I mount it if I can't even log in?
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21:54.49nevynEitan: livecd?
21:54.58nevyninstall on a new disk in parallel?
21:55.27Eitannevyn: I tried a live cd. I have one going right now. The stupid thing says in gnome: "you do not have priviledges to mount this volume" !! How do I get around that?
21:55.40nevynescellate to root
21:55.53Eitannevyn: how do I do that in gnome?
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21:56.48DukeDrakehi
21:56.56DasEiEitan: sudo -s in trml
21:57.16jeeveshow can I find out what process (and why) is doing so much disk assess on a desktop system?
21:57.42Copedutchfish: not sure i understand why its failing
21:57.43DukeDrakeneeds to find out why his pipes are so narrow ...
21:58.04DukeDrakeUpload works properly in my workstation, but not with my debian server
21:58.04DasEijeeves: htop shows you, F6 lets you choose the order of entries
21:58.10dutchfishCope, is this a first attempt (ie fresh install of dom-0 xen) ?
21:58.13lelacHow install ebox on debian? Someone can help me?
21:58.14DukeDrakeany hints how I can debug?
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21:58.34Eitannevyn: I did that. Gnome still says "you do not have priviledges to mount this volume"
21:58.56Copedutchfish: no, the dom0 is 1-2 yrs old, and runs some other vms
21:58.57DasEiEitan: you became root on live cd..
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21:59.29DasEiEitan:you created a dir to mount to...
21:59.37EitanDasEi: ok... so now what? How do I access my hd partitions from the live cd if gnome keeps saying that I don't have priviledges to mount?
22:00.07DasEiEitan:does your trml show you're root ?
22:00.09DasEid*
22:00.16EitanDasEi: yes
22:00.33DasEiEitan:did you make a dir to mount to ?
22:00.35jeevesdesti, ok, thanks
22:00.38DasEid*, damn
22:00.39EitanDasEi: no
22:00.50DukeDrakeo.o
22:00.57DukeDrakefeels being ignored :/
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22:01.00DasEiEitan: mkdir /media/hdintern
22:01.16EitanDasEi: ok
22:01.24DasEiEitan: fdisk -l                              <<to see partitions
22:01.27lelacSomeone can help me? How install ebox 1.2 on debian?
22:02.10DasEiEitan: mount /dev/sdXX  /media/hdintern                           >> if you want read only, see man mount before
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22:02.26samuelhello guys
22:02.53EitanDasEi: ok... got it.
22:02.53samuelim trying to run multiple sites with apache2 on mod_wsgi+django
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22:03.20DasEiEitan: cd /media/hdintern
22:03.25DasEiEitan: ls
22:03.36samuelbut somehow even after setting a servername and serveralias in different sites-available it only shows one site
22:03.44EitanDasEi: I have access now. Now I want to burn the files that I have access to now to a DVD. How do I install a dvd burning program to a live cd version of debian?
22:04.07DasEiEitan: apt-get install k3b
22:04.07samuelshould I be using just apache.conf and forget sites-available?
22:05.32EitanDasEi: ok... last question.... what utility will check a drive to see whether it has a hardware fault (bad platter, bad heads, bad interface) or if it just has a corrupt filesystem?
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22:05.32dutchfishCope, maybe you might ask #centos as far as debian dom-U is conecerned i think thats it, at the top virt-install is being used on centos, does it havent any options to install non-natives?
22:05.39petemcEitan: smartmontools, if the drives supports smart
22:05.39streunerEitan: smartmontools?
22:05.42DasEiEitan: depends on kind of drive, e2fsck for hdd...
22:06.06Copedutchfish: thanks for your help, dutchfish
22:06.25dutchfishCope, yw
22:06.28Copei think it's really down to the way to refer to disks
22:06.31EitanDasEi: will e2fsck tell me if the drive is bad or just the filesystem?
22:06.31DasEiEitan: read the manual carefully before, hdparm has nice stress-tests
22:06.37Copethat's the bit i am struggling with
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22:06.46dutchfishCope, have you module loop loaded?
22:06.53Eitanstreuner: is smartmontools something I can install with apt?
22:06.56dutchfishCope, inside dom-0?
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22:07.12Copedutchfish: yes
22:07.16dutchfishCope, ok
22:07.22streunerEitan: sure, as petemc already told you, if the device supports smart...
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22:07.28DasEiEitan:checks the fs n repairs it, hdparm is also for physical stuff, also above mentioned smartmontools are, enable in bios then, too
22:08.04Eitanok thanks.... I'll be away
22:08.14streunergood luck
22:08.15DasEiEitan: see ya
22:08.34CopeThe disk devices the domain should have access to... i don't really understand that
22:08.47DasEiEitan: one last : unmount drive to e2fsck
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22:08.52J_PHi all
22:09.17dutchfishCope, should be in the logs, also do you have bootloader = "/usr/bin/pygrub" in ?
22:09.24DetroitLibertyPehi J_P
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22:09.56dutchfishCope, no needed in debian but in centos
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22:10.08Copedutchfish: I did have... in my old domain config, but in the 2nd one based on your examples, no
22:10.23lelui have a debian box plugged into the same router via two 10/100 ethernet links. it seems to be using one predominantly for incoming and the other for outgoing. is this normal?
22:10.36maggot_brainhas anyone managed to compile Swiftweasel or a PGO version of Firefox in unstable?
22:10.41dutchfishCope, ok, i would ask in #centos for the rest, keep my examples
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22:10.56ranixthat's interesting, lelu
22:11.06ranixdid you screw with your routing table, perchance?
22:11.37ranixtrying to set up link aggregation or something?
22:11.37leluranix: its a new install nothing changed...
22:11.40dutchfishCope, otherwise around would be very simple ;)
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22:12.54leluranix: and if one link goes down the other behaves as normal.
22:13.00Copemount: could not find filesystem '/dev/root'
22:13.03ranixlelu: what's the purpose of having two lines to the same router
22:13.06Copethat is what is puzzing me
22:14.03leluranix: ones wireless because the server was sat away from the router while building works were going on, now its next to it and i haven't been bothered to remove the wireless card
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22:14.46fas3ris this synthax is correct : grep -c '00:[12][24e7c]:[0b9f5][10a8]:[a407d]' /etc/test.macid ?
22:14.49ranixlelu: remove your wireless from /etc/network/interfaces or screw with your routing tables
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22:18.52jeevesok, I installed htop, and it looks like "/usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -" is running neer the top of the list, and I still can't peg down why my H.
22:18.57dutchfishCope, maybe centos is barking at you and needs the uuid?
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22:19.11jeevesok, I installed htop, and it looks like "/usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -" is running neer the top of the list, and I still can't peg down why my HDD is still accessing like mad and dragging this system down to a crawl.  anyone with ideas?
22:19.23dutchfishCope, but i am not sure about that
22:19.23defacejeeves:  you should change your name ;)
22:19.49dutchfishCope, normally it goes through vmapper
22:19.49defacejeeves:  are you sorting my cpu or disk ?
22:19.50g00sefas3r: why do you ask?
22:19.51jeevesdeface, I'm running x-chat, I can't figure out how.  I have a nic registered, but I can't remember how to set it
22:20.01jeevesdeface, how do I sort by disk?
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22:20.06defaceF6 = sort
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22:20.23defacei think by default it is cpu
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22:20.45jeevesdeface, I tried that, but there isn't one for "disk" that I can see (unless it's labled as something else)
22:21.59jeevesdeface, as well, this box is using ~460Mb/RAM (out a gig), and there is basically NOTHING running
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22:22.43jpinx-eeepcjeeves: it's probably just stuff sitting in RAM
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22:23.18jeevesjpinx-eeepc, this is an Acer AspireOne, so it's kinda under powered.  is there an easy way to "clean" out this box?
22:23.26jpinx-eeepcjeeves: RAM is not "emptied" when an app stops
22:23.47defacejeeves:  using debian, or ubuntu ?
22:24.00defacelenny
22:24.12jpinx-eeepcjeeves: I run (apart from this eeepc) an old toshiba with a 500MHz cpu and 256MBs RAM and itś ok
22:24.27jeevesjpinx-eeepc, that's the problem.  I have a dual 1.86Ghz system, same specs as this one with a LOT more loaded on it, and it runs fine
22:24.55jpinx-eeepcjeeves: maybe it has a hardware problem then
22:24.55jeevesdeface,  I have to admit, it's Ubuntu (and before you tell me to go over to #ubuntu, I've been there, they're no help)
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22:25.11defacej/w .. alot more overhead by default in ubuntu
22:25.16jpinx-eeepcjeeves: we only support debian here
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22:25.20jeevesjpinx-eeepc, I love this little 10.2".  it's just the right size to do service work with.
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22:25.41planet8Anyone running the unstable branch who wont mind checking if the cpufreq_* modules are present in the current kernel?
22:25.42defacerun through your rc scripts and turn some off if you dont need them
22:26.01jpinx-eeepcjeeves: check your hardware and don't start any apps that you don't need
22:26.24dutchfishCope, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-installation-39/fc6-mount-could-not-find-filesystem-devroot-497332/
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22:27.01jeevesjpinx-eeepc, would it make a differace if this thing runs fine after a reboot, but if it's been running for a day or so (or if I leave it overnight with the lid closed), it'll have the disk accessing like mad, and the system is basically locked up
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22:27.23defacebad suspend
22:27.38jeevesdeface, I have suspend turned off
22:27.42jpinx-eeepcjeeves: I really have no idea about ubuntu.
22:27.51jpinx-eeepc!ubuntu
22:27.52dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
22:28.09jeevesdeface, and it never does this after a fresh reboot, so i'd like to get on top of this before I can't reproduce it again
22:28.18cmyers_workRunning Sid, and my running kernel wasn't built with the same version of GCC as I have installed, but I need to build a kernel module.  Installing an older GCC is probably the best solution, anyone know off-hand how to list the available versions?  I have gcc-4.3.4 and I need 4.3.3 I think
22:28.33peterrooneyis there some way we can add "we can't do anything about #ubuntu not being helpful." to /topic?
22:28.35cmyers_workis googling, but hoping someone knows off the top of their head
22:28.42defacecmyers_home:  gcc-config ?
22:28.47dutchfishplanet8, CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=m (on 64 bit)
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22:29.09planet8dutchfish, thanks!
22:29.14jeevespeterrooney, lol, we can only hope.  the #ubuntu-servers guys are basically helpful.  it's not a bunch of guys going "hey man, check www.google.ca"
22:29.20ranix<PROTECTED>
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22:29.40ranixjeeves: I have a potential solution for your problem
22:29.52ranixjeeves: go download Lenny, then install it, then ask for help if you need it
22:29.58defacelol
22:30.02fas3rg00se : because i can't test :)
22:30.03peterrooneyI see it so often from #ubuntu refugees, we should tell them the entry requirements here.
22:30.05ranixjeeves: otherwise you're not going to get any help here
22:30.26jeevesranix, lol, blow Ubuntu away?  <starts to load the Desart Eeagle">
22:30.31cmyers_workdeface: gcc-config doesn't seem to be a package or manual entry, and dpkg's comments regarding it are very unhelpful.
22:30.39dutchfish!debianlove
22:30.40dpkgdebianlove is, like, the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org.
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22:30.45ranixgo back to #ubuntu, or try #ubuntu on OFTC, or ask the ubuntu message boards or whatever nonsense they use these days because mailing lists are too hard for their drooling fanbase
22:30.48jpinx-eeepcjeeves choose you OS according to capabilities AND support ;)
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22:32.36dondelelcarocmyers_work: in theory, the same major version of gcc should work; hwoever, gcc-4.3 version 4.3.3-15 is available in testing, and you can install it
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22:32.59defacehttp://pastebin.ca/1527197
22:33.03cmyers_workoh, just pull it from testing using "-t squeeze", I could try that
22:33.09cmyers_workthanks dondelelcaro
22:33.12defaceanyone running the latest nvidia drivers ?
22:33.48streunerdeface: /msg dpkg nvidia
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22:34.51cmyers_workbah, looking at this error message mroe closely, there is no way "bad gcc version" is the culprit
22:35.06cmyers_work2.6.30 might not be compatible with my version of vmware *goes to find a new version on their website*
22:35.29dondelelcarocmyers_work: yeah, that's far more likely. Minor revisions of the compiler aren't supposed to cause that kind of issue
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22:36.04cmyers_workI wonder how likely they are to support 2.6.30, since it is rather new.  I might have to downgrade =(
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22:36.12dutchfishcmyers_work, running 2.6.31-rc3 on it (testing), and yes its slow as hell
22:36.54cmyers_workdutchfish: hmmm, what build of vmware are you using, if you don't mind my asking?
22:38.17dutchfishcmyers_work, build 169697 (its just a testcase, i prefer kvm/xen)
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22:38.56cr3rzemjesthi
22:39.07cmyers_workdutchfish: thanks for the info, good to know it should work before I go download it =)
22:39.30dutchfishcmyers_work, spare youself to trouble its useless
22:39.47dutchfishcmyers_work, it runs, thats about it
22:40.00cr3rzemjesti didn't have internet connection during install, so my only sources.list entries are for dvd. how to "automatically" put there correct lines, as would  installer do?
22:40.09cmyers_workreally?  I have a super beefy machine.  I have to do some testing with microsoft outlook =( makes me sad.
22:40.28cmyers_workdoes your CPU support virtualization?
22:40.30streunercr3rzemjest: /msg dpkg sources.list
22:40.34dutchfishcmyers_work, if beefy install xen, it blow you out of uour socks
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22:40.49anAngelhello, can anyone suggest me a good detailed tutorial how to make a full featured mail server with spam and virus protection and tsl encryption with postfix as mta?
22:40.50ewetis there really no meta-package for all "necessary" international ttf and cosole fonts?
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22:41.06cmyers_workwell, I use virtualbox at home and would like to play with that, but I have to use an image which is standardized at my company which is a vmware image right now
22:41.06streuneranAngel: workaround.org
22:41.08dutchfishcmyers_work, and yes
22:41.30streuner!listvals workaround.org
22:41.32dpkgFactoid search of 'workaround.org' by value (2): postfix howto ;; ispmail.
22:41.46superlinuxguys! what site in australia i can buy "linux inside" stickers?
22:41.47streuneranAngel: /msg dpkg postfix howto
22:41.59superlinuxor "debian inside"?
22:42.16dutchfishcmyers_home, xen is the defacto standard atm, if you feel like expirimenting more go kvm
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22:42.35streunershipping costs should be that much much, even when you are going to buy in US or Europe...
22:42.36dutchfishcmyers_work, oops, xen is the defacto standard atm, if you feel like expirimenting more go kvm
22:42.58streuners/should/shouldn't/
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22:44.48anAngelstreuner: thanks i will look around workaround.org but /msg dpkg postfix howto dont seem to work i guess
22:45.51streunerhm
22:45.56streuner!postfix howto
22:45.57dpkgi guess postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/
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22:46.31streuneranAngel: just type into your irc-client "/msg dpkg postfix howto"...
22:46.37anAngelstreuner: oh sorry i just didnt see it
22:46.45streunerno worries
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22:47.58abrotmanhow about .. www.postfix.org ?
22:48.22streunersure, thats a good option as well
22:48.34themillcrazy talk!
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22:49.59streunerlooks at themill
22:50.05anAngelim looking for something good and easy cuz this will be my first mail server to install after that i am sure i will get more used to it
22:50.17tCzernhello, how can I add a printer that is connect to windows and shared via smb?
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22:50.26ranixanAngel: exim4
22:50.27streunerwell, MTA's arent easy to configure
22:50.37defacesure they are
22:50.46dutchfishanAngel, postfix but if this is your first by the posyfix book (and do yourslef a favor)
22:50.54dutchfishs/by/buy
22:51.00ranixexim4 and spec.txt is all you need
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22:51.24Gijshey all
22:51.29streunerdeface: if you have to ask about....
22:51.31Gijso
22:51.48streunerdeface: surely not then...
22:51.50Gijsi'm not good with debian at the moment how to install openssl ?
22:51.51petemcengorging exims spec.txt is quite an undertaking
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22:52.31Gijsi'm not good with debian at the moment but i wanna know howto install openssl ?
22:53.03dutchfishGijs, aptitude install openssl ?
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22:53.39rgrI have set the gnome control panel HW setting to not dim the displays. I have removed gnome-screensaver and have turned off xscreen-saver dim time. But after about 5 mins my display is dimming. What other setting can it be?
22:53.43Gijsi wanna know howto
22:53.52hays_How would I go about setting up authenticated QOS for a network of about 350 users?
22:54.27hays_I want to have different users with different priority and bandwidth rate limits
22:55.20WombatzusHey, anybody use U3 thumb drives under linux?
22:55.26tCzernor what's a good interface to manage printers?
22:55.32cmyers_workdutchfish, dondelelcaro, fyi, the problem was indeed due to a breaking change in 2.6.29, the updated vmware module source was available here: http://www.saarlinux.de/blog/?p=5.  After replacing the module source with that tarball, seems to build fine.  This version of vmware performed fine in the past, hopefully it still will with this new kernel.
22:55.50tCzernhave foomatic
22:55.54streunertCzern: localhost:639 ;-)
22:55.57phoggHey guys, I need a small ircd for my local users. What's a simple one to configure?
22:56.10phoggI don't need security or whatnot, this will be listening on localhost only.
22:56.13tCzernlocal? it's on a network
22:56.15dutchfishcmyers_home, yes
22:56.29dutchfishGijs, maybe this helps? http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Creating_and_Using_a_self_signed__SSL_Certificates_in_debian
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22:56.36pflanzeGijs: dutchfish told you how. You just have to understand him/her.
22:56.39streunertCzern: localhost:631 ;-)
22:57.09streunertCzern: CUPS
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22:57.42pflanzeNew network-manager user here; the applet always says "no network devices have been found", while I'm connected to a WPA wlan through wpa_supplicant on the commandline, or to an ethernet network configured through ifupdown right now. What's up?
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22:58.00streunerNM sometimes sucks
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22:58.19streunerjust use interfaces in doubt
22:58.49streunerand, dont use serveral daemon at once...
22:59.00streuner(NM, interfaces, wpasupplicant)
22:59.53dutchfishphogg, i recommend dancer-ircd
23:00.36phoggdutchfish: is it easy to configure? I remember trying an ircd a few years ago... it was a mess of cryptic config lines and never quite worked right.
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23:01.00phoggI don't need the best, or the most secure, I need the most "apt-get install"-done one.
23:01.10dutchfishphogg, easy, but ... you need to digest the fine manuals
23:01.26phoggdutchfish: that's not a problem
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23:02.05dutchfishphogg, just install it first in a lan and go playing with it, configuring is easy, using it is another problem
23:02.25dutchfishphogg, but i did it, so surely you too
23:02.39phoggwell yes, but I was kinda hoping to have this set up within the hour
23:02.41phoggthat kind of fast
23:02.56dutchfishphogg, x thumbs
23:03.08phoggdutchfish: ?
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23:03.25dutchfishphogg, i mean you need ot be a fast reader then (it was a joke)
23:03.31N3M35I5hey, can anyone help me mound a hard drive so it will share on samba?. Its already mounted to /media/newhdd but i wanna know how to share it in samba. Samba is running but i cant get it to show the hard drive. thanks
23:03.46phoggdutchfish: ahh, okay
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23:04.45streunerpflanze: interfaces uses wpasupplicant (if you are using WPA), but you can configure that easily in interfaces...
23:05.14Titan8990N3M35I5, http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/manpages-3/smb.conf.5.html
23:05.27streunerpflanze: if NM doesnt work, you are in most cases out of luck...
23:05.33pflanzestreuner: "interfaces"?
23:05.46pflanzeFor me it seems like it can't connect to the daemon or there's some error.
23:05.54streunerpflanze: /etc/network/interfaces (/msg dpkg interfaces)
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23:06.05Gijswhat is libcrypto ?
23:06.05pflanzeAnd error handling is so bad that it doesn't tell me but instead says it can't interfaces.
23:06.24pflanzestreuner: I've been using this file forever now (and the ifup/down scripts)
23:06.36pflanzeDo I need to change anything there to make NM work?
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23:06.58streunernah, just run "/etc/init.d/network-manager stop" :-P
23:07.01pflanzecorrects: ifup/down are actually binaries
23:07.10Gijswhat is libcrypto ?
23:07.18Titan8990Gijs, aptitude show libcrypto++8
23:07.22N3M35I5Titan8990
23:07.23abrotmanGijs: what are you trying to compile ?
23:07.24N3M35I5thanks
23:07.24N3M35I5:)
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23:07.41Gijsznc
23:07.46streunerif that crap doesnt work, just dont use it :-)
23:07.59Gijschecking for BIO_new in -lcrypto... no
23:07.59Gijsconfigure: error: could not find libcrypto. Try --disable-openssl or install the appropriate dependencies eg. libssl-dev.
23:08.07Gijsand i wanna use openssl
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23:08.39themillGijs: what's wrong with debian's znc packages?
23:08.40Titan8990Gijs, and why don't you just use aptitude?
23:08.44pflanzeokay, just wanted to make sure there's a reason I'm still on the commandline for doing this stuff. As people are thinking I'm nuts.
23:09.01Titan8990pflanze, because its the most reliable and efficient way
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23:09.04Gijswhat is that?
23:09.19Titan8990Gijs, the package manager..... the method that you install all packages in debian
23:09.23Gijsnvm it works now
23:09.45Titan8990Gijs, but that doesn't change the fact that you need to learn the proper way to install applications
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23:10.36Titan8990Gijs, its not recommended you install software from source w/o atleast building a deb out of it
23:11.00Titan8990!tell Gijs about aptitude
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23:18.32lindenle1Is there a way to set a package as configured so that apt-get stops trying to reconfigure it
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23:18.58abrotmanyou could fix it so it reconfigures properly ?
23:19.20lindenle1abrotman: it is a rough one :( and i dont have the time right now
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23:20.07abrotmanhow do you know it's rough ?
23:21.40lindenle1abrotman: because i just fixed it by hand
23:21.50abrotmanso it's all taken care of?
23:21.52lindenle1and it is slapd and it need to be running so my usewrs can log in
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23:22.07lindenle1for me, but i want to stop trying to reconfigure it
23:22.18abrotmanwhat's the error ?
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23:22.51rgrI have seperate .Xdefaults for root and for my normal user. But when I launch a terminal as root "gksu -u root urxvt" it picks up the normal users. I have xrdb -merge'd for both users. What could be wrong or what have I missed?
23:22.53Titan8990so this is a production server we are ignoring errors on?
23:23.12lindenle1abrotman: complaining about overwriting a directory and the slapadd after the new slapd is installed
23:23.30abrotmanlindenle1: could we get the actual text of the error ?
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23:24.00lindenle1abrotman: no because it blows away my db everytime ;)
23:24.20abrotmanis this a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny ?
23:24.37lindenle1er well, i was asking a general dpkg question
23:24.48lindenle1(actual machine is ubuntu...)
23:24.53Titan8990....
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23:25.15jpinx-eeepclindenle1: there is no place to hide
23:25.21jpinx-eeepc!ubuntu
23:25.21dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
23:25.23themilllindenle1: the guys in #ubuntu are going to be able to help you with fixing their broken packages more easily than us
23:25.40lindenle1jpinx-eeepc: i know, i use debian but this setup is ubuntu :(
23:25.54abrotmanso ask #ubuntu about their broken packages
23:26.00lindenle1ok
23:26.30jpinx-eeepclindenle1: or install lenny and be supported here ;)
23:26.42abrotmanit's production .. he claims to not have time
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23:27.01Ian2czesc mam pytanie
23:27.07abrotman!pl
23:27.07dpkgpolska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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23:27.21sergioBR!br
23:27.21dpkgEste canal é apenas em inglês.  Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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23:27.26abrotmanIan2: or english here
23:27.29Ian2ok
23:28.16jhutchinsIs there a color printer that will print CD's (directly) that works well with linux?
23:28.29abrotmanyou mean paint CDs ?
23:28.58ajavidno
23:29.01ajavidprinters don't do that
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23:29.16jpinx-eeepclindenle1: in the time it'll take you to fix that you could have installed lenny :p
23:29.18ajavidthe cdburner with this cheapy special thingy I forgot its name lightscrine something
23:29.38abrotmanajavid: yes, printers can do that
23:29.39ajavidlightscribe burner will do that, printer won't (at least I've never heard of a printer paintting/printing cds)
23:29.42ajavidwow
23:29.47ajavidthat is brand new to me
23:29.51abrotmanthey're not normal printers ..
23:29.57ajavidwell that is what I meant
23:29.57tCzernHi, I am looking for a Printerdriver, for Brother HL 2140, no luck so far, anyone?
23:30.02ajavidobviously printers do it lol
23:30.10ajavidI meant regular home printers, office/deskjets etc.
23:30.11abrotmanthen he'd have meant print CD labels .. you' d think ?
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23:30.21ajavidmaybe
23:30.28abrotmanyou either paint CDs, print labels, or use lightscribe AFAIK
23:30.42ajavidthen I suppose he is confused about what he wants
23:30.45abrotmanhttp://gadgets.boingboing.net/2007/09/20/dymo-disc-painter-fu.html
23:30.47abrotmanfor instance
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23:32.30ajavidupon reading this question again I see that he is asking specifically about a cd painting printer
23:32.34ajavidI think
23:33.08ajavidI might have to look into these dynamos
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23:33.21abrotmanajavid: that's just one i found .. i make no claims about how well they work
23:33.22ajaviddymo
23:33.23SargunIs there any way to only restart a specific interface?
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23:33.51abrotmanSargun: ifdown/ifup
23:33.59ajavidSargun, sure, sudo ifconfig ethX down; sudo ifconfig ethX up; or ifdown/ifup
23:34.48Sargunajavid, ifup/ifdown will hook-into /etc/network/interfaces?
23:34.49ajavidyou could make a script like ifupdown and put it into your $PATH
23:34.57ajavidSargun, yes
23:35.00ajavidof course
23:35.03ajavidwhere else?
23:35.04Titan8990always the unneeded sudos....
23:35.07Sargunifconfig doesn't.
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23:35.13abrotmani didn't use sudo!
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23:35.18ajavidI use sudo
23:35.26ajavidfuck anyone who says shit about sudo
23:35.29ajavidfuck sudo haters
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23:35.38abrotmanexcept that it might not be configured, or installed ...
23:35.51ajavidpoint of saying sudo is, do it as root
23:35.59ajavidor use sudo, and if you can't figure this out, go back to windows.
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23:36.15abrotmanor .. give them the command and let them figure out which permissions they need ?
23:36.15Titan8990yeah, but most people get the idea after a couple times that "permission denied" means "i need to be root"
23:36.38ajavidor that
23:37.00jpinx-eeepcTitan8990: that's a broad generalisation :p
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23:37.22ajavidactually ifconfig will say command not found
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23:37.25ajavidit is in sbin not bin
23:37.33ajavidso it won't ever say permission denied.
23:37.45ajavidsbin is not in default user $PATH
23:37.46Sargunroot@mgmt:~# ifdown ppp0
23:37.46Sargunifdown: interface ppp0 not configured
23:37.51Sargunhm?
23:38.34fas3rcat test | awk 'NR == 17 {print;}'  return the line 17 of file test. how to return line 16,17,18 and 19 ? like this : cat test | awk 'NR == "16,17,18,19" {print;}'
23:38.36fas3r?
23:38.38ajavidSargun, is probably not configured or already not up
23:38.43ajavid(already down)
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23:38.56Sargunajavid, quite the contrary.
23:38.58Titan8990ajavid, jordan@tesla:~$ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 down SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied
23:39.08Sargunroot@mgmt:~# ip link show dev ppp0
23:39.08Sargun12: ppp0: <POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST,NOARP,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN qlen 3
23:39.17ajavidsure, if you call it from sbin
23:39.21ajavidwhich I didn't tell him to do
23:39.24ajavidso you are still wrong
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23:39.35ajavidbut in the general picture yes, that is what it says.
23:40.05ajavidSargun, weird
23:40.18ajavidSargun, I have no experience with modern ppp, I have not used dialup in linux since mid90s
23:40.27ajavidI don't remember much at all
23:40.34Titan8990ajavid, jordan@tesla:~$ whereis ifconfig    ifconfig: /sbin/ifconfig /usr/share/man/man8/ifconfig.8.gz
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23:40.43ajavidTitan8990, I told you that.
23:41.07Titan8990ajavid, i was just pointing out how you could find it if you didn't know....
23:41.09Sargunajavid, hm.
23:41.10ajavidTitan8990, if you wish to be right, be right, but this is pointless now.
23:41.15Sargunajavid, It's wvdial mostly.
23:41.39ajavidTitan8990, thanks, I appreciate it
23:41.45ajavidI already knew though.
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23:43.24kermitanything system/preferences stopped having an efffect other than updatitng the gconf xml files, what'd i break?  i was changing WMs around recently, that must have done it.
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23:44.38ajavidsomething isn't right...
23:44.50ajavidI'm not feeling well. Good bye.
23:44.51abrotmanyou felt a disturbance ?
23:44.56ajavidsomething...
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23:48.51TrueDDGood night all
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23:52.55rgrI have a key binding to "sudo -u root urxvt" but although in the shell it says I am root a "cd" still leaves me in my previous user home dir  e.g ~/rgr. Why is this?
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23:53.16linuxguy2009I was wondering if there was a certain reason that the DVD image includes Synaptic out of the box, but the CD image excludes it. Was this simply a matter of space constraints on the media itself or was there another reason such as that the apt-get and dpkg are all that users really need etc?
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23:53.32ajavid!popcon
23:53.33dpkg[popcon] the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank).  Install the popularity-contest package to participate.  See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/
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23:53.50ajavidI was going away but still stuck here... its hard to leave.
23:54.21abrotmanlinuxguy2009: a DVD is quite a bit larger than a CD ..
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23:55.17linuxguy2009abrotman: Right. So it was simply a matter of the CD image not having the space or because of "popularity contest" most likely?
23:55.42abrotmanthe popcon indicates what the most popular packages are .. so both reasons
23:56.29linuxguy2009abrotman: Ok I just wondered if synaptic was being dropped completely or something thats all. I tend to use the download script feature quite often.
23:57.28linuxguy2009Ok thank you
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23:59.35rgror how can I launch a terminal as root and actually be roots directory?

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