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| 00:05.00 | jelly5fish | hey, I have a weird problem. I have a NAT with a netgear router. It has been working fine but suddenly today the router loses internet connection whenever I connect with my linux system, like as soon as I start up the dhclient on the linux box the lights on the router go off. the router connects fine with a windows system, thats what I cant figure out |
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| 00:21.36 | hyphenex | G'Day, I'm trying to install a package that requires libgmp3, but it says no candidate found (things replace it, but zimbra won't install without it), what's the best way to install this package now? |
| 00:22.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | hyphenex: is the package from the debian archive? |
| 00:23.07 | hsb | (by no means should you take my advice as anything more than a guidline) : last time I had this problem my sources.list was outdated / or had a typo in it :) |
| 00:23.16 | hyphenex | Kamping_Kaiser: libgmp3 I think |
| 00:24.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: info libgmp3 |
| 00:24.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | give the bot a minute. its updating |
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| 00:25.12 | ideamonk | is it possible to install debian lenny i386 on amd64? |
| 00:25.53 | tuantub | hyphenex: you can install your deb package with dpkg --force-depends package.deb |
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| 00:26.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | libgmp3 definitely doesnt exist. |
| 00:26.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | hyphenex: what are you trying to install? |
| 00:26.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | hyphenex: where did you get it? |
| 00:26.50 | hyphenex | Zimbra |
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| 00:27.38 | ismaily | i have some problems with the |
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| 00:27.46 | ismaily | dns-flood-detector |
| 00:27.57 | ismaily | how can i remove it from my vserver? |
| 00:28.13 | ismaily | 836 people sleeping? |
| 00:28.20 | ismaily | are i am alone here oder wat? |
| 00:28.35 | ismaily | PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAASESSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPpp |
| 00:28.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | ismaily: be patient, and stop being stupid. |
| 00:29.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | hyphenex: ah, i've no experiance with that. you might need to force it as tuantub suggested, or go and smack whoever made the packages with a cluebat |
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| 00:29.50 | ismaily | so now |
| 00:29.52 | ismaily | i need help |
| 00:30.00 | adama_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:30.05 | ismaily | yes |
| 00:30.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell ismaily about enter |
| 00:30.33 | adama_ | and then? |
| 00:30.59 | ismaily | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 00:30.59 | ismaily | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.59 | ismaily | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 17 not upgraded. |
| 00:30.59 | ismaily | Need to get 0B of archives. |
| 00:30.59 | ismaily | After unpacking 111kB disk space will be freed. |
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| 00:31.33 | ismaily | than |
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| 00:31.38 | ismaily | i get this error |
| 00:31.46 | ismaily | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 00:31.46 | ismaily | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.57 | ismaily | dont work |
| 00:32.24 | ismaily | i have tried this command : /etc/init.d/ ./dns-flood-detector stop |
| 00:32.31 | ismaily | and many more |
| 00:32.52 | ismaily | i have delete it from /etc/default and usr/sbin |
| 00:32.55 | ismaily | and from |
| 00:32.59 | ismaily | etc |
| 00:32.59 | ismaily | :D |
| 00:33.09 | ismaily | and then i have restart |
| 00:33.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | sigh. i'm not going to bother with this one. |
| 00:33.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | goes to do something productive |
| 00:33.58 | hsb | hehe |
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| 00:36.47 | ismaily | apt-remove Stopping domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connetion refused |
| 00:36.47 | ismaily | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.50 | ismaily | Stopping domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connetion refused |
| 00:36.51 | ismaily | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.56 | ismaily | this is the new failure |
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| 00:37.01 | ismaily | what this |
| 00:37.07 | ismaily | cant start the bind |
| 00:37.14 | mederEsite | are you logged in as su? |
| 00:37.18 | mederEsite | do 'whoami' |
| 00:37.20 | ismaily | no |
| 00:37.29 | ismaily | root |
| 00:37.33 | dondelelcaro | ismaily: bind presumably isn't running, but has a pid file in place |
| 00:38.01 | dondelelcaro | ismaily: you can start bind, and then remove it, and it should work just fine, or you can disable the config file |
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| 00:40.56 | ismaily | dont run... |
| 00:40.59 | ismaily | su |
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| 00:41.16 | ismaily | then i give : apt-get install bind9 |
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| 00:41.21 | ismaily | after system says |
| 00:41.28 | ismaily | Starting domain name service...: bind failed! |
| 00:42.08 | dondelelcaro | ismaily: do you actually want bind installed? or what? |
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| 00:43.50 | ismaily | i will remove it an install again |
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| 00:45.06 | dondelelcaro | ismaily: so you actually want it installed? |
| 00:45.09 | wald0_ | I want to create a init script for some management/recovery of the user... but I want that the user will enter the root password before to run it, how I will request that ? |
| 00:46.43 | ismaily | yes |
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| 00:47.03 | ismaily | what is bind9 |
| 00:47.16 | dondelelcaro | ismaily: uh... if you don't know what bind9 is, why do you want it installed? |
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| 00:49.11 | ismaily | :D |
| 00:49.11 | ismaily | ok noww |
| 00:49.14 | ismaily | problem |
| 00:49.17 | ismaily | resolved |
| 00:49.21 | ismaily | i have forgot |
| 00:49.39 | ismaily | to remove the line from the /etc/default/bind9 |
| 00:49.51 | ismaily | line 1 --- -u bind |
| 00:49.52 | ismaily | :D |
| 00:49.54 | ismaily | thats was.. |
| 00:49.55 | ismaily | hahaha |
| 00:49.56 | ismaily | heehhe |
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| 00:52.26 | digilink | hey guys Im having trouble blacklisting a module in Lenny, doesn't appear to be working as it is still trying to load it upon boot, I added the relevant entry to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, am I missing something else? |
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| 00:56.02 | iluminator101 | I should have java 1.6 installed but on my machine when i do "java -version" i get this java version "1.5.0" |
| 00:56.02 | iluminator101 | gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.3 |
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| 00:57.24 | digilink | did you install it from the repositories? |
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| 00:57.41 | Firegreen | Alguem sabe como configurar a placa de video para 1024x768 no debian pois configurei no xorg.conf e não deu certo |
| 00:58.03 | Guerin | !es |
| 00:58.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:58.08 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 00:58.09 | Guerin | !br |
| 00:58.09 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:58.14 | iluminator101 | yes but from non free i had to press ok on a blue screen for the eula |
| 00:58.45 | Firegreen | Tem ninguem la |
| 00:58.49 | digilink | hmm you should have it then, where does it show it installed, try "which java" from the cli |
| 00:59.36 | digilink | I seem to vaguely remember having to move some stuff around when installed it but can't recall... |
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| 01:00.35 | iluminator101 | digilink: which java --> /usr/bin/java |
| 01:00.47 | Titan8990 | iluminator101, update-alternatives --config java |
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| 01:01.02 | Titan8990 | iluminator101, update-alternatives --config javac |
| 01:01.09 | digilink | ^^^ what he said :) |
| 01:01.17 | wald0_ | I want to create a init script for some management/recovery of the user... but I want that the user will enter the root password before to run it, how I will request that ? |
| 01:02.00 | Titan8990 | wald0_, sounds like a script that will do that is going to require root anyways |
| 01:02.11 | Phil4 | wald0_, sudo seems like your best bet |
| 01:02.26 | Phil4 | or, as Titan8990 suggests, make them su to root first |
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| 01:02.40 | Phil4 | sudo has the advantage that you can allow them sudo privs only for that script |
| 01:02.46 | konr | guys, how I can i set horizontal scrolling in my notebook's pad? |
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| 01:03.56 | iluminator101 | http://debian.pastebin.com/d7348b3f1 i presume its choice three i choose, but how do i change mode to auto on that |
| 01:04.04 | wald0_ | Titan8990: Phil4: not really, the purpose of it is to run a full suite for the end-user with access to everything, that means, direct root access to the system by simply select this boot option (without password), scary |
| 01:04.33 | Phil4 | so it's part of the boot loader? |
| 01:04.54 | Titan8990 | wald0_, if they have physical access to the machine, its not safe anyways |
| 01:05.21 | iluminator101 | choice 2 i meant* |
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| 01:05.45 | wald0_ | Titan8990: yes, that's true, but at least a minimum security i think... |
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| 01:09.42 | wald0_ | feels confused |
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| 01:12.20 | Titan8990 | wald0_, they can just boot in single user mode if they have physical access |
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| 01:16.12 | wald0_ | Titan8990: but single mode requires root password in order to have a root login |
| 01:16.53 | iluminator101 | okay so i upgraded to java 1.6 but i get this error when i try to run jdownloader.jar file invalid file (bad magic number): Exec format error |
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| 01:20.11 | mythomaniac | anyone here well versed in freenx? |
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| 01:25.34 | tuantub | iluminator101: just run jdownloader.jar with : java -jar /path/to/jdownloader.jar |
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| 01:27.42 | iluminator101 | i did i get this error http://debian.pastebin.com/d32bdd938 its beyond me |
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| 01:29.02 | tuantub | iluminator101: java -Xmx512m -jar /path/to/jdownloader.jar |
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| 01:30.05 | tuantub | iluminator101: which java version are you using ? b-) |
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| 01:31.00 | iluminator101 | tuantub: java version "1.6.0_14" |
| 01:31.00 | iluminator101 | Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_14-b08) |
| 01:31.00 | iluminator101 | Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 14.0-b16, mixed mode, sharing) |
| 01:31.57 | tuantub | iluminator101: hmm |
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| 01:42.47 | EagleScreen | synaptic tries to open with KDE Su, and when i click on ignore, then it open with kdesudo |
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| 01:53.17 | walery | hi |
| 01:53.42 | walery | what is the name for channel for debian testing? |
| 01:54.33 | EagleScreen | i think this |
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| 02:01.47 | walery | anybody know how to build module for kernel 2.6.30 for nvidia driver |
| 02:02.16 | EagleScreen | probably with module-assistant |
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| 02:02.58 | Brune | hey the debian update manager (gui) keeps throwing up windows when I am typing and ends up ruining my updates |
| 02:03.19 | Brune | anyone know where I can see if its possible to adjust these settings for this app? |
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| 02:03.42 | EagleScreen | i do not understand the problem Brune |
| 02:04.06 | EagleScreen | walery: look for the kernel module in the repository with your favourite package manager |
| 02:04.17 | Brune | EagleScreen: windows that the update manager puts up like when it starts downloading the files, it steals focus from other windows i have. |
| 02:04.26 | Brune | I want it not to do this. |
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| 02:05.57 | Brune | EagleScreen: you get what i am saying? |
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| 02:06.40 | EagleScreen | yes |
| 02:06.41 | EagleScreen | i think |
| 02:06.50 | Brune | EagleScreen: i think this is more of an xfce problem. |
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| 02:07.52 | EagleScreen | Brune: check something like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/FAEbia5.html |
| 02:08.53 | EagleScreen | sorry by Spanish text, but text in red rectangle means: Keep over the rest windows |
| 02:09.01 | Brune | oh, always on top. |
| 02:09.24 | EagleScreen | yes it |
| 02:09.43 | Brune | yeah i cant do that. i think i fixed it thoguh, |
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| 02:10.30 | Brune | there was an xfce option to not have newly created windows steal focus |
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| 02:14.00 | EagleScreen | why me grub2 haven't Debian theme? |
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| 02:14.23 | adfasdf | hello= |
| 02:14.41 | EagleScreen | hi |
| 02:14.43 | Leonidas | hi adfasdf |
| 02:15.00 | csioktel | how to speed up /etc/init.d/exim4 start up script? i need 10+ sec to run it, and i only need mail service for local only (cron). |
| 02:15.20 | adfasdf | My xorg is using ~35% by just moving my cursor in circles. I'm using debian lenny and i have an nvidia 8600gt. core duo 2 and 2gb ram |
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| 02:15.33 | adfasdf | that's 35 of my cpu |
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| 02:20.53 | ralf-x | sillly question, but where can I find the latest apt source URLs for stable? |
| 02:23.12 | EagleScreen | ralf-x: latest? |
| 02:23.20 | EagleScreen | do they change? |
| 02:23.39 | ralf-x | I haven't actually cared in quite a few years, so I don't know if they do or not :) |
| 02:24.24 | EagleScreen | deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 02:24.42 | EagleScreen | chnage fr (France) by another country code if you want |
| 02:24.43 | ralf-x | but, I have access to a Lenny box, which apears to have a volatile.debian.org lenny/volatile source in it, which concerns me |
| 02:24.47 | ralf-x | ok, gotcha |
| 02:25.56 | ralf-x | EagleScreen: security and non-us be about the same? |
| 02:26.27 | EagleScreen | http://pastebin.ca/1530107 |
| 02:26.41 | EagleScreen | change testing by stable if you want |
| 02:26.49 | adfasdf | why would xorg take up alot of cpu ? |
| 02:27.02 | adfasdf | is it because i have compiz-fusion going? |
| 02:27.28 | EagleScreen | how much is a lot? |
| 02:27.59 | ralf-x | EagleScreen: I see. What is Volatile, I am not familiar with this type of source |
| 02:27.59 | adfasdf | ~30-50 |
| 02:28.00 | apt | -20 |
| 02:28.02 | adfasdf | % |
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| 02:30.47 | EagleScreen | volatile is for things that need to be often updated as like as anti-virus sing, it is a full official repository |
| 02:31.10 | craigevil | !volatile |
| 02:31.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 02:31.12 | EagleScreen | adfasdf: try "top" command |
| 02:31.48 | ralf-x | ahh ok so it's not like... testing/unstable/beta |
| 02:31.59 | EagleScreen | not |
| 02:32.13 | ralf-x | cool, thanks |
| 02:32.31 | adfasdf | show the same kind of thing ~40% moving the mouse around, and 80 when moving a window around |
| 02:32.46 | asdf | grumbles |
| 02:33.02 | EagleScreen | but wchi process is eating CPU? |
| 02:33.36 | adfasdf | \xorg |
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| 02:34.50 | EagleScreen | adfasdf: whic is your xorg driver? |
| 02:36.36 | adfasdf | nvidia |
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| 02:40.59 | adfasdf | here's my xorg: http://pastebin.com/m4767605a |
| 02:42.19 | EagleScreen | adfasdf: i dont know what to say.. |
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| 02:43.17 | adfasdf | well when i disable compiz, my xorg only goes to 10% when i'm moving a window around. what does yours do? |
| 02:43.38 | EagleScreen | then you have the reason |
| 02:44.15 | adfasdf | so 10% is normal? |
| 02:44.40 | adfasdf | welli suspected compiz, but why would compiz do that |
| 02:45.17 | EagleScreen | yes, 10% is normal if you are moving a window |
| 02:46.42 | paissad-hp | hi everybody |
| 02:47.01 | EagleScreen | hiii |
| 02:47.28 | paissad-hp | i cannot connect to my user account , i'm on the window which tells to enter username and password ! |
| 02:47.41 | paissad-hp | i did it but the windows goes back automatically ! |
| 02:48.20 | paissad-hp | if i do CTRL ALT F1 , the username and password work well ! |
| 02:49.12 | peterrooney | paissad-hp: sounds like a problem with your window manager. |
| 02:49.57 | paissad-hp | peterrooney, the last time i used the computer, before i stoped it, i kill kdm daemon , i was using ssh with my laptop |
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| 02:50.38 | paissad-hp | i connected to my desktop-server station via ssh , i killed kdm which used a lot of ressource , not useful |
| 02:50.49 | paissad-hp | maybe, that's the source of the matter now :-( |
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| 02:53.10 | peterrooney | paissad-hp: check that your /home ant /tmp partitions are not full. |
| 02:53.27 | paissad-hp | peterrooney, they are not full ! |
| 02:54.40 | peterrooney | what does `tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log ' show? |
| 02:55.30 | peterrooney | paissad-hp: don't paste the whole thing |
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| 02:55.41 | paissad-hp | peterrooney, i understand :) |
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| 02:57.29 | craigevil | kdm is the login manager , try restarting it /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 02:57.41 | paissad-hp | peterrooney, paissad@paissad-server:~$ tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit - |
| 02:57.41 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f373b0f01 |
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| 03:07.18 | ChickenMilk | livin la vida loca! |
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| 03:17.44 | adfasdf | EagleScreen i had my antialaising on highest. |
| 03:17.49 | adfasdf | that did it |
| 03:17.52 | adfasdf | thanks for ur help |
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| 03:23.44 | adfasdf | i also enabled loose binding no i cant get either xorg or compiz above 9% |
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| 03:27.48 | yvest-linux | I need some help upgrading my kernel... |
| 03:28.13 | yvest-linux | I get : linux-image-2.6.26-2-686: Conflicts: yaird (< 0.0.13) but 0.0.12-18etch1 is to be installed :( |
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| 03:40.29 | cockroach | hi. it seems i have some interrupt issues and the kernel tells me to try booting with the "irqpoll" option - is this going to affect my system's performance? |
| 03:41.12 | cockroach | (http://pastebin.ca/1530173) |
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| 03:48.53 | blue__ | How can I log out a Gnome desktop session for a user where the panels have mysteriously disappeared, leaving no logout button? I want to logout this one user without affecting users logged in on other VTs. |
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| 03:50.11 | blue__ | Would ctrl + alt + backspace kill only X running on that VT, or would it kill X on the other VTs as well? |
| 03:51.41 | mimcpher | blue__: only that X session |
| 03:52.06 | blue__ | ok, so I should be able to use that to end the session, since there is no logout button. |
| 03:52.14 | mimcpher | Yes. |
| 03:52.27 | mimcpher | I do this in labs at school all the time. |
| 03:53.11 | phorce1 | OK, I have an oddbal system that has no bootable drives other than the HD. PXE/tftp install has been a big fail so I pulld the drive, stuck it another machine, and did a base system install. <more> |
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| 03:55.30 | phorce1 | because of the initrd setup that worked, but not very well. I get TONS of errors at boot and no ethernet. The kernel loads into RAM, right? Is it possible to loop mount an ISO of the install CD (on a USB stick) and somehow boot it from inside the running system and re-run the install, including rewriting the whole file system? |
| 03:56.47 | phorce1 | This is on a Celeron 466 system with 256M of RAM. I don't have anything else that old to do an external install on the HD |
| 03:56.51 | cockroach | phorce1: hrm, getting ethernet should be a question of loading the right module... |
| 03:57.20 | markybob | jesus. i didnt even know they made celerons that early on |
| 03:57.38 | phorce1 | cockroach: yeah, it says it's loaded but it's an older 8139 that wants the 8139too module |
| 03:57.42 | cockroach | phorce1: does "lspci" show anything that looks like an ethernet card? |
| 03:57.42 | markybob | i'd bet against it |
| 03:57.57 | phorce1 | it shows up |
| 03:58.07 | cockroach | phorce1: but not in ifconfig -a? |
| 03:58.31 | phorce1 | and it does work because i saw it generating traffic when I was futzing around with PXE boot attempts |
| 03:58.44 | phorce1 | not in ifconfig -a |
| 03:59.05 | blue__ | mimcpher: thanks, that fixed my problem. |
| 03:59.13 | cockroach | hrm. if you remove the module (rmmod) and re-insert it, do you get anything in dmesg? |
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| 04:01.07 | phorce1 | I take that back -- somewhere in my screwing around with modules it did load, but as eth1 rather than eth0. I had to go fix the interfaces file |
| 04:01.34 | cockroach | phorce1: ah, okay. that's because udev remembers your interfaces. |
| 04:02.13 | cockroach | phorce1: you can fix that by editing /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 04:03.14 | phorce1 | I have internet ---- but how do I fix the totally hosed up initrd? I'd really like to find some way to run a clean install on the box. I'll be able to later when I get a 3 connector 44pin IDE cable and a laptop style CD/DVD drive but that'll be a while |
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| 04:04.17 | cockroach | phorce1: what are the errors you get? i can't think of anything that should prevent you from just moving the hard drive atm (i've done similar stuff before) |
| 04:04.22 | phorce1 | a clean install would find the correct hardware and clen up the modules that the initrd is trying to load that the system doesn't use |
| 04:04.50 | cockroach | phorce1: did you check /etc/modules? |
| 04:05.53 | phorce1 | It *is* booting in the new system but the initrd needs to be rebuilt for the current hardware. |
| 04:05.59 | cockroach | (i might be wrong here, stuff changes etc., but i don't think the initrd should try to load modules... |
| 04:06.09 | cockroach | ) |
| 04:06.30 | cockroach | then again, you can always just rebuild the initrd. hold on. |
| 04:06.45 | cockroach | using update-initramfs |
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| 04:07.01 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.16 | cockroach | doesn't look too messy :) |
| 04:07.57 | cockroach | do you have an idea what the errors are about? |
| 04:08.10 | phorce1 | thats because the initial install puts all the required modules and udev stuff for the base hardware into the initrd <grin> |
| 04:08.43 | phorce1 | I'll reboot and see if I can catch a few. System is in another room. brb |
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| 04:14.18 | jetscreamer | waves |
| 04:14.30 | kazanbas | hi, how to test if a particular kernel module is installed? |
| 04:14.41 | cockroach | kazanbas: lsmod? |
| 04:14.48 | jetscreamer | look in /boot? |
| 04:15.11 | kazanbas | oh, thanks! |
| 04:15.14 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 04:15.37 | phorce1 | that was a little cleaner. Still tries to load the 8139 module before in catches the 8139too I added to /etc/modules. I need to get rid of the ACPI stuff it tries to load at boot |
| 04:16.27 | cockroach | phorce1: you can blacklist stuff in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 04:17.01 | phorce1 | Should be fun trying to get the touchscreen working. That's another reason I wanted to do a clean install |
| 04:17.22 | cockroach | heh |
| 04:17.55 | phorce1 | cockroach: it's operational now. I should be able to add -noacpi in grub to drop those errors |
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| 04:18.43 | cockroach | phorce1: sounds reasonable |
| 04:19.02 | phorce1 | was surprised on his main Lenny machine when plugging in an xBox360 Guitar Hero controller "just worked". |
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| 04:19.41 | phorce1 | I'm hoping a clean install will do the same on that old box |
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| 04:32.56 | adfasdf | anyone know if u upgrade compiz that is saves a backup of your confiration? |
| 04:34.01 | craigevil | adfasdf: it "should" upgrades in debian dont normally touch config files |
| 04:35.43 | xoz | adfasdf: debian policy asks your approval if the configs will need to be updated |
| 04:36.06 | adfasdf | hmm. if it did, do you guys know where the default locatoin would be? .compiz? |
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| 04:43.51 | rajanways | how to compile kernel module |
| 04:44.05 | rajanways | i use debian lenny |
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| 06:34.37 | nsadmin | I'm trying to configure dhcp3-server with a new subnet whose address is on interface eth0:0, when I try starting the server, it reads the config file, gets to eth0: and says it expacted a ; not a : |
| 06:35.09 | nsadmin | should I just give it eth0? |
| 06:35.20 | nsadmin | or quote the eth0:0? |
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| 06:40.17 | hacker_kid | nsadmin, eth0, the address is enough after that |
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| 06:48.27 | Evet | do you suggest a nameserver software except bind |
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| 06:58.01 | nsadmin | hacker_kid: tried that... when starting the server, it then writes to the syslog how eth0 matches multiple shared nets |
| 06:59.08 | tawan | i got the 2.6.30-1-686 kernel as an update today. I edited menu.lst to point to it but some how i still boot to 2.6.26-2-686 :/ |
| 06:59.19 | jetscreamer | is resolv.conf static or dynamic |
| 06:59.29 | hacker_kid | hrmm, im a bit out of date on dhcp |
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| 06:59.51 | nsadmin | maybe so is the server... it |
| 06:59.57 | nsadmin | is from etch I think |
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| 07:01.01 | nsadmin | tawan: what booter |
| 07:01.29 | tawan | nsadmin, grub? |
| 07:01.43 | jetscreamer | grub1 or 2 |
| 07:01.50 | nsadmin | try running update-grub |
| 07:02.13 | jetscreamer | grub1 is now called grub-legacy i saw today |
| 07:02.20 | nsadmin | and pay attention to the menu, you hay have to scroll |
| 07:02.36 | nsadmin | hay may |
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| 07:05.42 | tawan | nsadmin, tried that too, thanks |
| 07:06.13 | nsadmin | and?? |
| 07:06.58 | tawan | no joy, just looking at /usr/src/ now nsadmin |
| 07:07.27 | jetscreamer | so is resolv.conf static or dynamic |
| 07:07.53 | jetscreamer | i'm going to guess dynamic |
| 07:08.06 | jetscreamer | (and i'll get to edit it each time i reboot) |
| 07:08.08 | Wooga | how debian frequent update repositary is named? |
| 07:08.09 | nsadmin | what do you mean? |
| 07:08.28 | Wooga | i remembering something like violate, but google gives no hits |
| 07:08.41 | jetscreamer | volitile |
| 07:08.41 | nsadmin | volatile |
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| 07:08.48 | jetscreamer | err what he said |
| 07:09.00 | Wooga | thanks |
| 07:09.20 | nsadmin | jetscreamer: try installing resolvconf and then you can put these lines in /etc/network/interfaces: |
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| 07:11.02 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.15 | jetscreamer | i think i installed that once a few instals ago and it messed me up... course i didn't know what i was doing... |
| 07:14.15 | donkeyofdarkness | o_O |
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| 07:17.24 | ajavid | jetscreamer, !! |
| 07:17.30 | ajavid | jetscreamer, !!! |
| 07:18.45 | ajavid | jetscreamer, where have you been? |
| 07:19.09 | tawan | ajavid, less of the random spam please :> |
| 07:19.15 | jetscreamer | standing in the unemployment line |
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| 07:19.29 | jetscreamer | not really, just unemployed |
| 07:19.40 | tawan | oops i'm not op here, wrong channel :/ |
| 07:20.33 | jetscreamer | i am in the 'sue my ex-employer for illegal payroll deductions' line though |
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| 07:21.12 | jetscreamer | 8k or so |
| 07:21.42 | jetscreamer | waves@simonrvn |
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| 07:24.00 | ajavid | jetscreamer, that sucks |
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| 07:24.31 | simonrvn | hi jetscreamer |
| 07:24.36 | jetscreamer | i try to think of it as 'enforced savings' |
| 07:25.57 | jetscreamer | i will get it back, i cma'd and he didn't cha |
| 07:26.06 | jetscreamer | cover my, cover his... |
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| 07:27.32 | jetscreamer | 2nd time somebody did it to me... i won before, and as a side benefit i screwed him in his company and at the regional level of Delta and the houston airport system ... just for shits |
| 07:28.21 | jetscreamer | i have more ammo this time, too |
| 07:28.31 | FuriousRage | is there a way to tweak proftpd's upload speed? i jsut did a test and 2 files uploaded to the server gave me both files 25MB/s, while re-downloading the same files only gives 4-5MB/s |
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| 07:30.27 | ajavid | simonrvn, hi |
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| 07:31.16 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 07:32.11 | jetscreamer | /join #proftpd |
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| 07:33.56 | FuriousRage | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 07:34.03 | jetscreamer | np |
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| 07:53.14 | samo9789 | Hello, if uname -a returns 2.6.26-2-486 is it safe to remove linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 ? |
| 07:54.41 | fxiny | yes |
| 07:54.43 | DDevine | samo9789: Don't quote me on it, but yes. |
| 07:54.45 | kingsley | samo9789: I assume so, but I might also try copying linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 to a temporary location and rebooting, before removing it. I might also check for links. |
| 07:55.24 | samo9789 | @kingsley, rename and reboot sounds smart, I'll do that first. How can I check for links ? |
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| 07:56.21 | fxiny | rename a kernel ? i do not think makes sense . how aptitude can remove it ? |
| 07:57.05 | kingsley | samo9789: I seem to recall that the "ls" command can. |
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| 07:57.33 | peterrooney | samo9789: ls -al / ; ls -al /boot // as long as you have at least one linux-image-foo you should be good with apt-get and aptitude. |
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| 07:59.25 | samo9789 | @peterrooney ls -al / shows links to a 2-486 and .old links to 1-486 |
| 07:59.51 | samo9789 | @peterrooner, no links to the 686. Does that mean I can aptitude remove the 686 one ? |
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| 08:00.11 | peterrooney | samo9789: i meant to say, leave at least one linux-image-{foo}. dpkg -l | grep linux-image will say for sure what is installed. |
| 08:00.31 | samo9789 | @peterrooney thanks a lot |
| 08:00.53 | samo9789 | @kingsley, thanks for your help |
| 08:01.10 | kingsley | samo9789: You're welcome. |
| 08:01.48 | peterrooney | samo9789: you're welcome; i remember not knowing. |
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| 08:02.51 | Judge-- | how can I put my firewall sccript to be executed on boot up? |
| 08:03.45 | jetscreamer | /etc/rclocal or so |
| 08:03.53 | jetscreamer | rc.local? |
| 08:03.58 | ilaiho | is x.org 1.6 going to be in squeeze? |
| 08:03.58 | jetscreamer | something like that |
| 08:04.14 | jetscreamer | !rclocal |
| 08:04.14 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
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| 08:04.47 | seth1242 | I killed my configuration files (lenny). Many of my configuration files are empty. For example /etc/gdm/gdm.conf is a blank file. Does anyone know if there is an easy way to fix? |
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| 08:05.25 | jetscreamer | the bot does.. i seem to have forgotten the factoid |
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| 08:07.00 | Judge-- | !initd |
| 08:07.00 | dpkg | i guess initd is a daemon that starts any other program on a normal Linux-system |
| 08:07.02 | jetscreamer | !confmiss |
| 08:07.03 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 08:07.03 | Judge-- | !init.d |
| 08:07.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>. |
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| 08:09.18 | Judge-- | jetscreamer inside rc.local if I want to call another bash script I should add ./scriptname or just scriptname? |
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| 08:09.30 | jetscreamer | :( Fetched 804MB in 1h 10min 19s (191kB/s) |
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| 08:09.56 | jetscreamer | my script-fu blows.... :( |
| 08:10.09 | jetscreamer | i 'think' i 'used' to know |
| 08:10.26 | jetscreamer | iirc just the path... not sure |
| 08:10.41 | jetscreamer | no ./ needed.. but i could be wrong |
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| 08:11.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Judge--: depends if its in your path, and working directory |
| 08:12.53 | Judge-- | Kamping_Kaiser the firewall script is in the same dir as rc.local |
| 08:13.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | Judge--: personally i'd specify the full path to the script... and not have the script in /etc/ |
| 08:14.08 | Judge-- | sure |
| 08:14.09 | Judge-- | thanks |
| 08:15.24 | Judge-- | well, do you think that if it doens't work the system will stop booting up? |
| 08:15.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | depends what form of 'doesnt work' is involved |
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| 08:16.14 | jetscreamer | errorhandling |
| 08:16.19 | Judge-- | my rc.local has just 2 lines: /root/firewall and exit 0 |
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| 08:16.41 | Judge-- | /root/firewall contains valid iptables rules (I apply them with ./firewall) |
| 08:16.44 | jetscreamer | /#bash ? |
| 08:16.51 | jetscreamer | err |
| 08:16.56 | jetscreamer | /join #bash ? |
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| 08:17.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Judge--: that sort of error, no you should be fine. |
| 08:17.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | Judge--: if the script hangs, you get to keep both halfs |
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| 08:18.56 | Judge-- | hum |
| 08:18.57 | Judge-- | thanks |
| 08:19.08 | jetscreamer | if it does hang just boot single and remove it |
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| 08:19.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | ^C should work to kill it |
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| 08:20.43 | Judge-- | it's located remotly |
| 08:21.02 | jetscreamer | ahh... |
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| 08:22.07 | Judge-- | I don't know ewhat happens.. If I flush the rules of the firewall (iptables -F (or -X)) the server seems to crash.. no service responds (SSH, HTTP, etc..) |
| 08:22.08 | blankthemuffin | So I've just upgraded a machine from etch to lenny, and on reboot it drops me straight to a terminal. trying to start gdm doesn't seem to get me anywhere. Ideas? |
| 08:22.37 | Judge-- | I don't know if the server is being attacked (DDoS) or if that crashing is being caused by iptables. Anyway, i need to reboot the server |
| 08:22.51 | Judge-- | and I can't take too log to drop everything from 0.0.0.0 |
| 08:22.56 | Judge-- | or it'll crash again |
| 08:23.15 | Judge-- | that's why I need it in boot up |
| 08:23.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | Judge--: are you sure its crashing, and that your not leaving some rules in place which block you? |
| 08:23.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | blankthemuffin: busybox or a real shell? |
| 08:23.47 | jetscreamer | less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 08:24.00 | blankthemuffin | A real shell Kamping_Kaiser |
| 08:24.02 | jetscreamer | or grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 08:24.23 | cast | evening all |
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| 08:24.36 | route | Anyone in here with experience with linux-vserver on Lenny? |
| 08:24.51 | Judge-- | Kamping_Kaiser iptables -X could leave some rule blocking me if there wasn't any before it? is it possible? |
| 08:24.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | blankthemuffin: assuming you want the desktop task installed, my first step would be make sure its installed. failing that, time to start log browsing |
| 08:24.57 | cast | route: sure, but only a little bit |
| 08:24.58 | route | I'm running vserver on one of my servers with 2 NIC's. The first guest has an external IP on eth0, the second has an internal IP on eth1, and the host also has an internal IP on eth1. The host can access the internet, but neither of the guests can. The guests can only access machines on my network. |
| 08:25.28 | jetscreamer | check the perms on your homedir also iirc |
| 08:25.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | Judge--: iirc you need to flush the tables separately (but its been a while ...) |
| 08:25.44 | blankthemuffin | Desktop task Kamping_Kaiser? |
| 08:25.56 | route | The guests were able to access the internet when I first set it up. I have no idea what might have changed to prevent them from getting out now. |
| 08:26.14 | Judge-- | Kamping_Kaiser can you exaplain better please? |
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| 08:26.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | Judge--: if my memory is correct, you need to specifically flush tables (eg, nat). |
| 08:27.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | blankthemuffin: yeah... gnome desktop task. another option is `apt-get install gnome`(or desktop of choice) and look what its going to install to see whats missing. or look in your x logs for hints ;) |
| 08:27.44 | Judge-- | hum.. flush INPUT, OUTPUT and FORWARD |
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| 08:27.58 | Judge-- | do you that that it may be blocking me? |
| 08:28.15 | route | cast or anyone else, any ideas? |
| 08:28.22 | Judge-- | wow |
| 08:28.47 | blankthemuffin | ahhh, how can it possibly want to download another 200MB of packages :O |
| 08:28.54 | cast | route: there is a vserver channel, btw, might be on OFTC |
| 08:29.05 | blankthemuffin | It's already downloaded 700 for the dist-upgrade. What are you doing! |
| 08:29.06 | jetscreamer | if you did install gnome, that's why |
| 08:29.26 | jetscreamer | can you say bloat? |
| 08:29.26 | blankthemuffin | I already had gnome |
| 08:29.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | cast: thats correct |
| 08:29.36 | jetscreamer | no you had gnome stuff, probably |
| 08:29.41 | jetscreamer | !metapackage |
| 08:29.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 08:29.52 | blankthemuffin | No, I had gnome. The desktop was working. |
| 08:29.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | cast: but its worth remembering that the guy who makes vserver seems to hate debian |
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| 08:30.13 | jetscreamer | gnome-desktop, gnome-base, gnome-something .... but gnome is the grandaddy of them all |
| 08:30.18 | route | cast All 259 people in that channel are sleeping. |
| 08:30.23 | route | lol, 259 in here as well. |
| 08:30.28 | blankthemuffin | oic jetscreamer |
| 08:30.55 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install --reinstall gdm or so maybe first |
| 08:31.02 | jetscreamer | and try... |
| 08:31.08 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 08:31.27 | cast | route: guess you'll have to wait for them to wake up :P |
| 08:31.34 | blankthemuffin | The only error was to do with synaptics touchpad jetscreamer |
| 08:31.40 | blankthemuffin | or lack thereof |
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| 08:31.44 | jetscreamer | and if your home dir perms arent like what gdm likes that can do it too |
| 08:32.26 | jetscreamer | and dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 08:32.42 | jetscreamer | is another thing to try sometimes |
| 08:33.06 | jetscreamer | there's a gdm log somewhere |
| 08:33.21 | jetscreamer | (probably in /var/log) |
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| 08:33.57 | blankthemuffin | /var/log/gdm |
| 08:34.12 | blankthemuffin | it's complaining about Synaptics touchpad |
| 08:34.35 | blankthemuffin | (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad" |
| 08:34.52 | blankthemuffin | dpkg-reconfigure says gdm is broken or not fully installed |
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| 08:35.40 | blankthemuffin | mmm, reinstalling gdm pulls in a few other packages. I'll try that. |
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| 08:37.20 | jetscreamer | the synaptics error is ignorable iirc |
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| 08:39.48 | jetscreamer | s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 08:40.17 | jetscreamer | course i don't know how to use aptitude |
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| 08:51.34 | Judge-- | Kamping_Kaiser figured out the problem... When I flush the only rule that remains are the default policices, wich I had set to drop.. |
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| 09:00.38 | gimmal | hullao debfolks. anyone might have a helpful suggestion towards finding out what happened to jack support for gstreamer, in the debian package base? |
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| 09:01.02 | gimmal | I mean, heck, if I can make my Rammstrein Volkerball MP4 play through Jamin, that would rock ^-^ |
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| 09:03.02 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 09:03.52 | man_in_shack | anyone know of a way to determine what urls iceweasel is accessing as it loads a page? |
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| 09:04.38 | hark | gimmal: it's been removed |
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| 09:05.10 | gimmal | hark: i see; would you know where removed packages go to retire? ^-^ |
| 09:06.12 | gimmal | man_in_black: I'd guess that some javascript hacks could be made to do that - something involving frames, for instance |
| 09:06.15 | hark | man_in_shack: you can see using the firebug or httpfox extensions |
| 09:06.24 | gimmal | yeah that sounds easier ^-^ |
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| 09:07.06 | man_in_shack | i have firebug, where do i look? :) |
| 09:07.47 | hark | the 'net' panel |
| 09:07.54 | hark | gimmal: http://bugs.debian.org/321648 for the reasoning |
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| 09:08.40 | gimmal | well damn, I wasn't expecting to have to pick up gstreamer packages from some other source than the debian package repo, but if there's no gstreamer jack package any more, I guess I may have to. For some reason, kaffeine isn't handling this MP4 I was trying to play, though it was encoded on a linux box and can play with totem |
| 09:09.09 | gimmal | kaffeine does jack, I mean ^-^ |
| 09:10.16 | gimmal | ech, kaffeine was just being a lag-butt app when it started, so to speak |
| 09:10.38 | bzrk | gimmal: maybe check out the debian multimedia repo |
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| 09:11.01 | gimmal | it's working, now. So, this Jack setup I've got going has worked out pretty well for apps that can use it - routing eerything I can through Jamin, with all its sliders all adjusted now, sweet 30-band eq with compressor settings |
| 09:11.40 | gimmal | bzrk: well, I have the debian multimedia lenny apt repo in my sources.list ^-^ |
| 09:11.56 | gimmal | is suspicious about abandoned packages anyway muahahaha |
| 09:12.55 | man_in_shack | what is the Flash tab for in firebug/net? |
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| 09:13.52 | purplepenguins | man, when is google chrome gonna get all nice and replace firefox |
| 09:14.11 | hark | gimmal: can't you use something like vlc? |
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| 09:14.23 | hark | or mplayer? |
| 09:14.35 | gimmal | purple: after google acquires the mozilla project I guess ^-^ I don't see it happening, but who knows.... |
| 09:14.54 | gimmal | hark: tried VLC, it wasn't showing video. kaffeine is working now, though it was pita-slow to show its main window |
| 09:15.00 | valdyn | purplepenguins: why would it ever replace firefox? |
| 09:15.07 | purplepenguins | because firefox sucks? |
| 09:15.13 | valdyn | purplepenguins: thats a little vague |
| 09:15.17 | gimmal | can't please everyone ^-^ |
| 09:15.18 | purplepenguins | or at least, is a developmental dead-end |
| 09:16.04 | gimmal | ...and I think I'd honestly rather use totem, but for that little thing of no debian packages for jack support on gstreamer. hohum X) |
| 09:16.14 | purplepenguins | the only advantage i know of that firefox has over chrome on windows is plugin support |
| 09:16.21 | valdyn | gimmal: did you see the gstreamer-jack is unsupported upstream? |
| 09:16.34 | gimmal | valdyn: no I didn |
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| 09:16.36 | gimmal | erg |
| 09:16.59 | gimmal | valdyn: no I didn't; wasn't sure how to find anything useful on gstreamer-jack, it being a defunct pkg |
| 09:17.29 | valdyn | gimmal: the package is removed from debian because the bugs have no chances of being fixed when its unmaintained upstream |
| 09:17.38 | valdyn | gimmal: its been broken since 0.6.x versions |
| 09:17.49 | gimmal | yay gnome! heh |
| 09:17.52 | hark | that's just wrong ^ |
| 09:18.06 | gimmal | bites his tongue before complaining about the inconsistenices of the linux desktop |
| 09:18.11 | valdyn | what does gnome have to do with that? |
| 09:18.17 | gimmal | I mean, it is free and all? |
| 09:18.26 | valdyn | gimmal: the problem, with jack is that its stuck in its niche |
| 09:18.28 | gimmal | valdyn: gstreamer, as I see it, is a part of the GNOME family of apps... |
| 09:18.42 | valdyn | gimmal: gstreamer is used by gnome |
| 09:18.43 | hark | purplepenguins comments, that is |
| 09:18.50 | gimmal | valdyn: stuck? I thought it was doing just fine, for what it's for X) |
| 09:18.52 | valdyn | gimmal: that just gives it more users, its not gnome related at all |
| 09:19.12 | gimmal | ok, you can look at like that, if you please X) |
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| 09:20.24 | gimmal | gstreamer + totem is to gnome as kaffeine is to kde - they may not be made as official flipping parts of the desktop distribution, but for a working desktop, they are integrated at some level, along those lines |
| 09:20.25 | purplepenguins | which comment is wrong? |
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| 09:21.27 | gimmal | goes back to watching rammstein rock nimes |
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| 09:27.18 | sylar | hi |
| 09:27.36 | sylar | what do I need in order to import photos from a camera? |
| 09:28.06 | valdyn | gimmal: theres an equalizer plugin for alsa, maybe that helps you |
| 09:28.06 | sylar | It opens up the camera import dialog in gnome, but I dont' see anything imported |
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| 09:31.39 | man_in_shack | yay |
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| 09:32.01 | man_in_shack | hark, thanks to your suggestion about httpfox and adblock plus, gmail no longer crashes for me |
| 09:32.20 | Hobbes` | sylar try with gphoto2 |
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| 09:32.37 | man_in_shack | basically, i've blacklisted http://mail.google.com/mail/im/media-api.swf?ver=1.0.0 with ABP |
| 09:33.13 | Hobbes` | gmail embeds a swf file ? |
| 09:33.16 | man_in_shack | yes |
| 09:33.19 | man_in_shack | it's disgusting |
| 09:33.26 | man_in_shack | plays sound for chat events |
| 09:33.44 | Hobbes` | makes me glad my platform isn't supported by flash |
| 09:33.55 | man_in_shack | bleh, now it's crashing again |
| 09:34.18 | man_in_shack | Hobbes`, what platform is that? |
| 09:34.25 | Hobbes` | PPC |
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| 09:34.42 | Hobbes` | not that i use flash on x86 either |
| 09:34.43 | sylar | no gphoto |
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| 09:36.04 | sylar | does apt-get have a just get it, without install option? |
| 09:36.39 | sylar | like apt-get source package, just instead of source, the builded one/ |
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| 09:37.07 | Hobbes` | sylar what differnce would that make ? |
| 09:37.25 | sylar | Hobbes`, ? |
| 09:37.40 | sylar | Hobbes`, I want to install it on another system |
| 09:37.41 | man_in_shack | weird |
| 09:37.46 | cahoot | sylar: what debian version ? |
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| 09:37.48 | Hobbes` | sylar http://pypt-offline.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:37.48 | man_in_shack | looks like gmail + some other flash will still crash it |
| 09:37.56 | man_in_shack | but at least gmail isn't crashing on its own now |
| 09:38.00 | sylar | cahoot, lenny |
| 09:38.03 | MrWax | how can i start a screen with 3 sessions inside it which all have 3 different titles? |
| 09:38.06 | Hobbes` | or you can look in /var/cache sylar |
| 09:38.21 | Hobbes` | man_in_shack try flashblock |
| 09:38.44 | Hobbes` | i don't think gmail is the culprit .. it's flash that's causing the crashes |
| 09:38.54 | man_in_shack | sure |
| 09:38.56 | hark | man_in_shack: go for flashblock as well |
| 09:39.01 | man_in_shack | but it's gmail triggering flash to crash |
| 09:39.34 | man_in_shack | will flashblock kill ALL flash or is it configurable? |
| 09:39.39 | Hobbes` | man_in_shack gmail shouldn't be able to trigger flash on naother site |
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| 09:39.50 | hark | you can whitelist |
| 09:39.53 | Hobbes` | it gives you a button to view the flash movies you want |
| 09:39.57 | man_in_shack | whitelist is good |
| 09:40.34 | Hobbes` | rather all flash movies are replaced by a flashblock button that you need to click to ivew |
| 09:40.37 | Hobbes` | view* |
| 09:40.45 | man_in_shack | if google actually offered an option to remove chat completely as a SETTING instead of a url hack, this would be a simple fix |
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| 09:40.58 | Hobbes` | man_in_shack it does give you an option for that no ? |
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| 09:41.23 | man_in_shack | no, there is no option to kill gmail chat completely without adding &chat=0 to the url |
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| 09:42.00 | Hobbes` | i've not see the chat stuff in ages |
| 09:42.03 | Hobbes` | seen* |
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| 09:43.11 | man_in_shack | well, flashblock is awesome |
| 09:43.12 | Hobbes` | man_in_shack check at the bottom of the page ... Gmail view: standard | turn on chat | basic HTML Learn more |
| 09:43.24 | man_in_shack | Hobbes`, that doesn't turn chat off though |
| 09:43.29 | man_in_shack | it just signs you off |
| 09:43.33 | Hobbes` | i don't see my contacts anymore |
| 09:43.38 | man_in_shack | so the stupid chat stuff is still there |
| 09:43.46 | man_in_shack | it's still loaded |
| 09:43.48 | man_in_shack | just not in use |
| 09:44.04 | purplepenguins | the chat is kinda useful |
| 09:44.20 | man_in_shack | purplepenguins, not when i have a full jabber client that does the same |
| 09:44.36 | man_in_shack | flashblock is great though. it looks like i can't enable the stupid gmail chat sounds at all now |
| 09:44.49 | purplepenguins | meh |
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| 09:44.52 | Hobbes` | yeah it's hard to locate the gmail tab from the few dozen open tabs to respond to an IM |
| 09:45.02 | purplepenguins | i rarely use the gmail interface when i use claws-mail |
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| 10:04.16 | hacker_kid | im trying to sync a file between two servers, usually i would use unison but the problem is that the file changes frequently but there is one line that has to be different on each server. is there anything that could do that? |
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| 10:06.13 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, use rsync in a script, and put your chages in that one too per server |
| 10:06.21 | dutchfish | s/chages/changes |
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| 10:06.43 | hacker_kid | dutchfish, im not understanding you |
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| 10:07.45 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, when you invoke rsync on each server to pull in the changes, you can after that change the one or more files that are server specific in that very same script |
| 10:08.09 | cast | hacker_kid: have two files, one with commonality, and one unique to the server and join them :) |
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| 10:09.07 | dutchfish | cast, this might byte you on slow/bad uplinks |
| 10:09.13 | hacker_kid | cast, not possible, in this case i think |
| 10:10.01 | hacker_kid | dutchfish, the servers are in a datacenter literally i RU away |
| 10:10.01 | hacker_kid | s/i1 |
| 10:10.25 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, it depends abit on the data and volume what would be the best aproach |
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| 10:11.46 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, but rsync over ssh is my way to go for highly compressable data |
| 10:11.50 | valdyn | man_in_shack: you can use the simple gmail business account for free, which gives you the option to remove chat |
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| 10:12.00 | hacker_kid | dutchfish, im using unison of ssh for all the other files |
| 10:12.17 | valdyn | man_in_shack: thats probably more setup work than you want though |
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| 10:12.24 | hacker_kid | dutchfish, its just this one apache config file giving me trouble |
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| 10:13.52 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, cant you simply not exclude that one and script it over? |
| 10:15.33 | hacker_kid | dutchfish, maybe, but to build a script with all the abilities of unison would be difficult (try again on failure, calculate which file to use on conflict, etc) |
| 10:15.50 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, yes |
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| 10:16.26 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, thats why i use rsync or git for such tasks |
| 10:16.39 | man_in_shack | valdyn, flashblock is perfectly sufficient |
| 10:17.08 | hacker_kid | dutchfish, no offense but rsync sucks for dual master syncronization |
| 10:17.27 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, yep, git would be a good candidate then |
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| 10:17.57 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, and its fast |
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| 10:18.29 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, rewinding is simple too ;) |
| 10:18.33 | hacker_kid | dutchfish, never seen git as a sync app, always just been a code repo to me |
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| 10:19.23 | ajavid | huh |
| 10:19.26 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, example http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/etckeeper/ |
| 10:19.28 | ajavid | who needs flashblock? |
| 10:19.36 | ajavid | flashblock is one addon |
| 10:19.52 | ajavid | I believe noscript has this functinality built in, so noscript wins |
| 10:19.58 | ajavid | 'noscript' |
| 10:20.11 | hacker_kid | dutchfish, for this scenario git isnt the best choice, i'll find something |
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| 10:20.30 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, ok, as i said it depends on your data |
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| 10:22.03 | hacker_kid | dutchfish, yeah im syncing a lot of web files uploaded by ftp and such |
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| 10:23.04 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, you q already has the word to the solution ;) |
| 10:23.17 | pbn | Hi, I've got a problem. I've just done safe-upgrade and dist-upgrade on testing amd64. It removed nvidia-glx-ia32. Now when I try to install nvidia-glx-ia32, I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc6-i386: Breaks: nvidia-glx-ia32 (<= 185.18.14-1) but 173.14.09-5 is to be installed. |
| 10:23.23 | pbn | ... any idea ? |
| 10:23.29 | hacker_kid | dutchfish, elaborate? |
| 10:23.40 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, syncing -> rsync |
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| 10:24.03 | hacker_kid | dutchfish, rsync is better at mirroring not syncing, that was my first choice and i got a lot of conflict issues |
| 10:25.35 | dutchfish | hacker_kid, fiar enough, maybe this gives a nice overvieuw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_synchronization |
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| 10:36.54 | war9407 | Question- I installed Debian onto a USB stick, but upon boot it will fail unless I specify root=/dev/sdb1 |
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| 10:37.02 | war9407 | What is the correct work-around for this? |
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| 10:37.54 | cast | fix your bootloader to pass that |
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| 10:38.14 | war9407 | cast: append="" doesnt work, so I would need to rebuild the initrd ya? |
| 10:38.40 | cast | nah |
| 10:38.48 | cast | just edit menu.lst |
| 10:39.01 | war9407 | cast: I use lilo, my append is exactly that, append="root=/dev/sdb1" |
| 10:39.08 | cast | oh. |
| 10:39.08 | war9407 | lilo & -> reboot -> same issue |
| 10:39.20 | cast | NFI about lilo, haven't used that in years |
| 10:39.25 | purplepenguins | lilo is still around? |
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| 10:39.36 | war9407 | cast: nothing to do with the boot loader |
| 10:39.47 | war9407 | cast: the usb stack isn't loaded when root=/dev/sdb1 isn't specified at the boot cmd line |
| 10:39.59 | war9407 | cast: cause after it fails, it says [/dev/sdb] found, 2GB stick etc |
| 10:40.18 | war9407 | cast: so root=/dev/sdb1 at lilo boot prompt changes how it loads the modules I guess |
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| 10:40.38 | war9407 | grub doesnt work with XFS |
| 10:40.41 | war9407 | that is why I use lilo |
| 10:40.45 | cast | if you say it has nothing to do with the boot loader... |
| 10:40.57 | war9407 | cast: I think it has something to do with initramfs+initrd |
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| 10:41.50 | purplepenguins | i have used xfs with grub before |
| 10:42.02 | war9407 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377941 |
| 10:42.19 | nsadmin | to do what, load grub stage2? |
| 10:42.21 | purplepenguins | i don't have any idea why the bootloader would have a problem since the drivers for the filesystem are in the kernel anyway |
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| 10:42.30 | purplepenguins | or the initrd |
| 10:42.54 | nsadmin | purplepenguins: think of it this way... when grub runs there is no kernel or initrd yet |
| 10:43.13 | purplepenguins | true |
| 10:43.25 | nsadmin | so now you have the idea |
| 10:43.29 | purplepenguins | but the initrd is on the /boot |
| 10:43.37 | purplepenguins | are you running xfs on your /boot? |
| 10:43.46 | cast | purplepenguins: the bootload has to bootstrap the kernel, |
| 10:43.49 | purplepenguins | or you are using one partition for both /boot and / |
| 10:44.14 | nsadmin | but that means nothing at the time grub first runs. it does not have any access to that code and cannot run it in order to load the kernel |
| 10:44.20 | war9407 | xfs for /, boot on /dev/sdb |
| 10:44.54 | purplepenguins | i still don't understand why grub has to care about the filesystem that the root partition is on |
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| 10:45.15 | nsadmin | purplepenguins: that information is in the grub docs |
| 10:45.57 | nsadmin | the basic idea is there is filesystem code in grub stage2 |
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| 10:46.52 | purplepenguins | so you have to package filesystem code for all filesystems that the user could use in the stage2? |
| 10:47.17 | nsadmin | no, that stores the kernel and initrd |
| 10:47.31 | nsadmin | grub loads them by their -name- |
| 10:47.40 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 10:48.02 | purplepenguins | so it loads the right stage2 by figuring out the name of the filesystem of the / |
| 10:48.04 | nsadmin | lilo loads them by a sector list |
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| 10:48.25 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 10:48.31 | nsadmin | nono, stage2 comes in, in one of several ways... |
| 10:48.33 | nsadmin | then, |
| 10:48.35 | KomiaPoika | how can i put mini.iso on usb stick? with dd? |
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| 10:48.51 | purplepenguins | there is a file xfs_stage1_5 in here, is that not xfs? |
| 10:48.58 | purplepenguins | in my /boot/grub/ |
| 10:49.01 | nsadmin | stage2 reads the config file and then pages in the kernel and initrd |
| 10:49.27 | nsadmin | the purpose of stage1.5 is to load stage2 by name |
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| 10:50.23 | nsadmin | I don't particularly like that, I don't use it... I put grub stage2 in the 64 sectors at the start of the drive and chainload it |
| 10:50.59 | purplepenguins | this all sounds beyond me, personally |
| 10:50.59 | purplepenguins | but XFS is a server filesystem anyway |
| 10:51.21 | cast | purplepenguins: no, it's not. |
| 10:51.22 | nsadmin | at that point, the filesystems that are ok to put the kernel on are the ones supported by the stage2 |
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| 10:51.58 | purplepenguins | i'd used it before, back in 2006 |
| 10:52.08 | nsadmin | unless you want to try chainloading the kernel or storing a sector list (like lilo does) |
| 10:52.25 | purplepenguins | it may have changed since then, back back then if you lost power while you were doing something there was hell to pay |
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| 10:52.46 | nsadmin | so you needed a ups |
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| 10:53.32 | purplepenguins | it was not worthwhile to get one, it was far nicer to go to ext3 and forget it |
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| 10:53.54 | purplepenguins | "getting a ups" is not a valid answer to "my filesystem got horribly corrupted when my power went out" |
| 10:54.39 | cast | ive heard old reports of occasional issues with XFS/reiserfs and lost power |
| 10:54.56 | cast | i've been using both for over 6 years with no problems |
| 10:55.03 | war9407 | xfs has fixed mostof the issues |
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| 10:55.31 | nsadmin | actually it is valid. if you have a ups when the power goes out, it serves the purpose of supplying power for enough time to shut the machine down |
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| 10:55.49 | cast | data you want to keep is backed up, if you're writing a file when the power is cut, the file is going to be fucked up. |
| 10:55.50 | purplepenguins | the price of a ups would be a significant percentage of the cost of my machine |
| 10:56.10 | sander_ | I have two pc's, one which nats for the other pc.. from time to time the network goes down on the pc behind the nat.. but not on the pc which is directly connected to internet. The strange thing is that the local network between theese two pc's always work |
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| 10:56.39 | nsadmin | so if your machine is making money that's hardly an issue |
| 10:56.53 | purplepenguins | well, this is a home desktop, it's not making money |
| 10:57.19 | sander_ | WHat could be the reason to the network goes down.. but not the local network |
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| 10:57.19 | cast | the price of a decent surge protector isn't far off a UPS |
| 10:57.21 | sander_ | ? |
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| 10:57.40 | purplepenguins | i use surge supression of course |
| 10:57.47 | purplepenguins | i'm talking about residential power outages |
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| 10:58.11 | purplepenguins | what is a decent surge supressor? |
| 10:58.28 | nsadmin | a ups is, for one example :) |
| 10:58.54 | war9407 | found the problem |
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| 10:59.12 | war9407 | in the kernel stanza there was another append="" which took precedence over the global lilo.conf append |
| 10:59.21 | purplepenguins | I can't afford to buy one, power outages aren't frequent enough to warrant it |
| 10:59.30 | war9407 | I have ups' on everything here |
| 10:59.32 | war9407 | tv, computers, etc |
| 10:59.40 | war9407 | I had a brownout once and it fried my mobo. |
| 10:59.44 | war9407 | ever since then, no thx. |
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| 11:00.46 | EmleyMoor | Fixed it though it needed Super GRUB Disk to get it going |
| 11:01.26 | purplepenguins | back to the original issue, the xfs guide suggests that it works with grub now |
| 11:02.36 | nsadmin | the thing about xfs then was it had a default then that favored performance over making sure things were written to the disk more often |
| 11:02.48 | amitz | purplepenguins: do pay attention to installation process. the programmed workaround sometimes doesn't work. you have to manually release it. |
| 11:03.00 | nsadmin | I think what happened is that's not the default any more |
| 11:03.25 | war9407 | purplepenguins: perhaps |
| 11:03.32 | war9407 | purplepenguins: but I just installed 5.0.2 yesterday and grub failed |
| 11:03.36 | war9407 | purplepenguins: so had to use lilo |
| 11:03.36 | EmleyMoor | How do I specify to CUPS lpr to print on A3? (HP LJ5SiMX) |
| 11:03.42 | purplepenguins | i'm not asserting it is true, just saying that's what the guide said |
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| 11:04.02 | purplepenguins | i can say that back in 2006 i used xfs and it worked fine on a gentoo system |
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| 11:04.05 | cusco | hi |
| 11:04.19 | cusco | where is the desktop directory set at? for both kde and gnome? |
| 11:04.19 | nsadmin | war9407: you could always bite off a chunk to put on /boot |
| 11:04.29 | war9407 | nsadmin: yeah but this is only a 2GB stick |
| 11:04.35 | war9407 | nsadmin: wanted to save as much room as possible |
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| 11:05.30 | purplepenguins | you're putting xfs on a usb stick? |
| 11:06.05 | war9407 | loves xfs |
| 11:06.31 | purplepenguins | wouldn't the slow speed of the USB bus negate any positives of the XFS high-speed performance |
| 11:06.37 | nsadmin | gentoo was and is pretty indeterminate... you or anyone can build anything in any available way, so it's not like anything's consistant |
| 11:06.39 | purplepenguins | and the 2GB limit negate the scalability? |
| 11:06.55 | purplepenguins | gentoo is pretty odd like that |
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| 11:07.07 | amitz | purplepenguins: do you get what I'm saying, on how to install grub on xfs? |
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| 11:07.47 | amitz | test |
| 11:07.54 | xand | fail |
| 11:07.56 | amitz_ | test |
| 11:08.04 | xand | fail_ |
| 11:08.15 | nsadmin | tlest |
| 11:08.17 | purplepenguins | amitz: i'm not installing grub on xfs |
| 11:08.18 | nsadmin | flail |
| 11:08.31 | \3TATUK | How can I figure whether a particular package is installed in the default setup? (Namely: libsmpeg0) |
| 11:08.48 | purplepenguins | i'm pretty sure libsmpeg0 isn't |
| 11:09.01 | amitz | purplepenguins: oh, okay then. I misunderstood. |
| 11:09.12 | purplepenguins | amitz: it's okay |
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| 11:09.50 | purplepenguins | but that's a guess based on the fact that debian doesn't include much in the way of video by default |
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| 11:10.54 | sander_ | How come my network went down.. but not my local network to the box who nats for my pc? |
| 11:11.06 | nsadmin | the "default" is the base |
| 11:11.11 | \3TATUK | purplepenguins: Right because Debian doesn't include any default mp3 decoders? |
| 11:11.12 | purplepenguins | could be the outside net failed |
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| 11:11.31 | purplepenguins | well, that is for license reasons I think |
| 11:11.45 | sander_ | When I restart the network in the box who nats.. the network comes up again.. but a day later.. it goes down again. |
| 11:11.57 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 11:12.11 | purplepenguins | it still could be the outside net |
| 11:12.27 | nsadmin | sander_: perhaps you have a log that shows events that lead you to why |
| 11:12.30 | purplepenguins | is it totally dead? |
| 11:12.58 | sander_ | nsadmin, what kinda log do you mean? |
| 11:13.19 | purplepenguins | /var/log/messages maybe |
| 11:13.21 | sander_ | THe network on the natted pc and out works |
| 11:13.21 | nsadmin | the kind of log that records events |
| 11:14.11 | nsadmin | if your router is a linux box, it would be the logs from that box that would be pertinent |
| 11:14.27 | purplepenguins | yeah |
| 11:14.47 | purplepenguins | what kind of connection do you have |
| 11:15.04 | nsadmin | but there's wayyyy not enough information yet to answer your question |
| 11:15.27 | sander_ | Aug 15 12:27:51 performance scandetd: Possible port flood from 192.168.0.7 to 192.168.0.1<-- I get this on my nat box |
| 11:15.50 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 11:15.57 | sander_ | Aug 15 12:30:12 performance dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.7 from 00:16:17:b1:60:34 via eth1 Aug 15 12:30:12 performance dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.7 to 00:16:17:b1:60:34 via eth1 |
| 11:16.05 | sander_ | Theese requests comes very ofen |
| 11:16.23 | purplepenguins | that is a computer requesting a DHCP request from the router |
| 11:16.25 | sander_ | 0.7 is the box who is behind nat |
| 11:16.49 | nsadmin | I'd check whether the disk is dying on .7 and .1 |
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| 11:17.21 | sander_ | nsadmin, why should a disk die on .7 or .1 ? |
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| 11:18.23 | nsadmin | that I don't know... but reason why I think it's a possibility is .7 could be losing its lease file |
| 11:19.00 | nsadmin | what does the output of df suggest? |
| 11:19.32 | sander_ | everything is fine when I do df |
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| 11:19.48 | nsadmin | so you have plenty of space on your partitions? |
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| 11:19.59 | sander_ | nsadmin, yes |
| 11:20.38 | Orion_X11 | Hi. I have a problem with my squeeze since yesterday. The thing is that it keeps booting and rebooting all the time without stopping. When it is supposed to show gdm it does not and goes to grub again. How do I get gdm again to enter X (gnome)? |
| 11:21.08 | sander_ | nsadmin, if the lease file on .7 was removed. and the network went down.. why does it comes up when I restart the network on .1 ? |
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| 11:22.02 | nsadmin | oh, maybe your upstream is changing IPs on you, and your nat script isn't run again to calc the nat |
| 11:23.07 | sander_ | nsadmin, no ip change.. the network from the .1 and out works all the time |
| 11:23.27 | nsadmin | is your external IP static? |
| 11:23.34 | sander_ | nopes |
| 11:24.21 | nsadmin | in that case I dunno, I'm stumpped |
| 11:24.54 | purplepenguins | those there log files might still help though |
| 11:25.43 | sander_ | Hm.. But is it normal that theese logs comes every 5 minutes?: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.7 from 00:16:17:b1:60:34 via eth1 |
| 11:26.02 | rozie | sander_: what is you dhcp config? |
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| 11:26.29 | sander_ | rozie, on the server or client? |
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| 11:27.06 | purplepenguins | every five minutes means that your lease keeps needing to get refreshed |
| 11:27.24 | purplepenguins | it could be that your router is blocking the client because it is renewing the lease too often |
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| 11:27.42 | purplepenguins | it could be due to a hardware issue with the client |
| 11:27.54 | purplepenguins | or some configuration problem on the router |
| 11:28.03 | sander_ | default-lease-time 600; max-lease-time 7200; |
| 11:28.06 | Orion_X11 | Infinite boot looping here. Please, help |
| 11:28.12 | sander_ | This is my dhcpd configs |
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| 11:28.51 | purplepenguins | i'm not sure what those numbers mean, i have no experience with dhcpd, you might want to read the man page or check its website |
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| 11:30.11 | sander_ | This particular subnet declaration specifies a default lease time of 600 seconds (ten minutes), and a maximum lease time of 7200 |
| 11:30.11 | sander_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.21 | rozie | sander_: 300 seconds is half of default lease time |
| 11:30.27 | rozie | everything's fine |
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| 11:32.36 | sander_ | rozie, what do you mean with everything is fine?.. is it fine that I get a dhcp request every 5 minutes? |
| 11:32.56 | rozie | with this config - yes |
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| 11:33.23 | rozie | you didn't specify minimum time, so it takes half of default |
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| 11:33.59 | rozie | change default-lease-time to 1800 OSLT |
| 11:34.12 | sander_ | OSLT is? |
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| 11:34.32 | rozie | Or Smth Like That ;) |
| 11:34.38 | blubbar | hi, I have a frest debian install and want to install the newest KDE now. what apt sources I should add to my sourcelist? |
| 11:34.45 | blubbar | fresh |
| 11:36.14 | craigevil | blubbar: the only way to get kde4.3 is to install it from sid, probably not a good idea |
| 11:36.17 | sander_ | scandetd couldnt be blocking the dhcp requests because of a flood? |
| 11:36.50 | blubbar | craigevil: sid is the unstable branch? |
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| 11:38.42 | craigevil | blubbar: yes |
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| 11:39.39 | dangerstat | Hi, can anyone tell me where windows shares are mounted too by default? |
| 11:39.44 | dangerstat | (Ubuntu 9.04) |
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| 11:40.07 | craigevil | !tell dangerstat about Ubuntu |
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| 11:40.53 | dangerstat | craigevil I know, I'm using both Debian Lenny AMD x64 and Ubuntu 9.04 and both the question stands for both |
| 11:41.10 | dangerstat | (just happens right now I'm on my Ubuntu box!) |
| 11:42.12 | tawan | (grumble) I got the 30-1 kernel in the latest updates and no i have an annoying end of line beep |
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| 11:42.55 | petemc | !bell |
| 11:42.55 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module. Also ask me about <shell beep>. |
| 11:43.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | 30? thats got to be sid |
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| 11:44.01 | tawan | cheers petemc |
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| 11:44.20 | petemc | np |
| 11:44.52 | tawan | can i put xset b off in openbox's autostart.sh ? |
| 11:45.24 | dangerstat | I guess I should answer my own question - they're in ~/.gvfs |
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| 11:48.13 | valdyn | except that that is not a default in debian |
| 11:48.50 | rozie | sander_: depends of scandetd config, probably... |
| 11:49.31 | dangerstat | valdyn what is the default in Debian? |
| 11:49.57 | dangerstat | (Just setting up NAS, but BOTH machines will be sharing this storage) |
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| 11:54.55 | sander_ | rozie, after what i've read about scandetd.. it only detectes floods... it dont denies the flood |
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| 12:06.22 | Lycurgus | how long after a freeze is it typically until that version becomes current stable? |
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| 12:08.33 | abrotman | Lycurgus: there's more than one type of freeze .. |
| 12:09.04 | Lycurgus | http://www.us.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 |
| 12:09.24 | dutchfish | Lycurgus, hard to tell, after the bugs have been fixed |
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| 12:09.52 | jelly-home | Lycurgus: 6-24 months |
| 12:09.59 | Lycurgus | sarge came before etch, right? |
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| 12:10.03 | jelly-home | (6 is just wishful thinking) |
| 12:10.13 | purplepenguins | yeah |
| 12:10.24 | jelly-home | !release history |
| 12:10.24 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 12:10.27 | purplepenguins | woody, sarge, etch, lenny |
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| 12:10.57 | Lycurgus | OK, thx, just wanted to know if there was a change from the established periodicity. |
| 12:11.15 | purplepenguins | woody to sarge was a long wait |
| 12:11.16 | jelly-home | Lycurgus: there _is no_ established periodicity |
| 12:11.26 | genia4 | Hi. I managed to set up a VPN between two computers. One of them has an interface to the internet, and I'd like to have that shared to the other computer. What do I do? (I use openvpn) |
| 12:11.32 | valdyn | fixed freeze dates would be new |
| 12:11.53 | genia4 | The server is 10.8.0.1, the client is 10.8.0.2, I want the client to have access to the server's internet. |
| 12:11.58 | valdyn | genia4: aptitude install ipmasq |
| 12:12.21 | valdyn | genia4: obviously the "client" needs the appropriate default route entry |
| 12:12.31 | genia4 | valdyn: install ipmasq on the server? |
| 12:12.34 | Lycurgus | roughly 2 years seems to be the recently established hedged on the interval |
| 12:12.37 | valdyn | genia4: yes |
| 12:12.40 | Lycurgus | *hedge |
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| 12:13.04 | genia4 | valdyn: what does ipmasq do? |
| 12:13.06 | valdyn | Lycurgus: 18 months is the target -> 24 months is realistic |
| 12:13.25 | genia4 | valdyn: what kind of routing do I need on the client? |
| 12:13.30 | valdyn | genia4: some simple automagic firewall rule which enables your internet connection sharing |
| 12:13.37 | Lycurgus | yes, thanks all. |
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| 12:14.00 | valdyn | genia4: route add default gw <server_ip |
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| 12:14.00 | valdyn | genia4: route add default gw <server_ip> |
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| 12:14.19 | genia4 | valdyn: can't I set up the sharing just with iptables, or is it a mess? |
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| 12:14.26 | valdyn | genia4: you can |
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| 12:14.32 | genia4 | valdyn: any idea of the windows equivalent |
| 12:14.45 | valdyn | genia4: the windows equivalent is installing the ipmasq package |
| 12:14.52 | genia4 | valdyn: the issue is that the server is a VPS under openvz, which has no MASQUERADE in its iptables. Still possible? |
| 12:15.03 | valdyn | genia4: not possible then |
| 12:15.05 | genia4 | valdyn: no, I was asking on the client side... |
| 12:15.09 | genia4 | valdyn: oh, bah |
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| 12:15.20 | valdyn | genia4: windows has a gateway entry in its networking dialogue |
| 12:15.20 | genia4 | should have started with that really. |
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| 12:15.49 | genia4 | valdyn: what I'm trying to accomplish is browsing the web through another server. |
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| 12:16.03 | genia4 | A proxy won't do, since it's not only http that I'm trying to forward |
| 12:16.09 | valdyn | genia4: then you will need to use a proxy instead of masquerading |
| 12:16.15 | valdyn | genia4: well |
| 12:16.15 | tawan | desktop picture of ToyStory Squeeze for Debian Squeeze http://imagebin.org/59706 |
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| 12:16.28 | sunru | hello, udevd (sid) is eating cpu is there a way to see what it is doing? |
| 12:16.32 | rozie | genia4: you can tunnel with ssh and setting socks proxy on the browser |
| 12:16.34 | valdyn | genia4: *general* internet connection sharing *needs* masquerading |
| 12:16.50 | valdyn | a socks proxy is still a proxy... |
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| 12:17.02 | genia4 | valdyn: no way to emulate masquerading without specific iptables support I presume... |
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| 12:17.19 | rozie | genia4: what do you exactly need? |
| 12:17.26 | valdyn | genia4: you dont want to go that way |
| 12:17.29 | rozie | (goal, not tools) |
| 12:17.30 | sunru | genia4 mentioned : forward and http (80). |
| 12:17.44 | rozie | ssh is sufficient then |
| 12:18.01 | valdyn | and he mentioned A proxy won't do, since it's not only http that I'm trying to forward |
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| 12:18.16 | sunru | forward? |
| 12:18.30 | sunru | :) |
| 12:18.40 | rozie | valdyn: socks proxy does not work this way |
| 12:18.40 | valdyn | sunru: thats what he said, he means masquerade |
| 12:18.47 | sunru | oh |
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| 12:18.53 | valdyn | rozie: umm? |
| 12:18.55 | sunru | NAT |
| 12:18.57 | genia4 | rozie: how does a socks proxy work? |
| 12:19.06 | valdyn | nat is not enough |
| 12:19.17 | rozie | it's not http proxy |
| 12:19.33 | rozie | you can forward any protocol (TCP for sure) |
| 12:19.40 | rozie | if client allows ofc |
| 12:19.49 | valdyn | thats the issue |
| 12:20.08 | valdyn | genia4: get a kernel with masq support |
| 12:20.16 | valdyn | genia4: everythign else is annoyingly tricky to get right |
| 12:20.20 | genia4 | valdyn: openvz doesn't support it, regardless of kernel |
| 12:20.26 | genia4 | valdyn: understood |
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| 12:20.36 | valdyn | genia4: i doubt that openvz breaks masq |
| 12:20.38 | genia4 | rozie: proxifier + a socks proxy will do? |
| 12:20.43 | genia4 | valdyn: says so on their website |
| 12:20.47 | genia4 | valdyn: they don't support it |
| 12:21.22 | rozie | genia4: don't know. pure ssh + iceweasel is sufficient for http |
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| 12:21.28 | valdyn | genia4: do it on the host? |
| 12:21.33 | genia4 | rozie: can you recommend a socks proxy? |
| 12:21.40 | genia4 | valdyn: no access to the host, VPS :) |
| 12:21.44 | rozie | ssh ;) |
| 12:21.44 | Caldavien | hello everyone, Im trying to move my website from one debian5 server to another. I have both servers up and running on the same network, what is the best way to move my /vaww directory while preserving file permissions and ownership? I think Ive jacked those up and I keep getting 404 errors ion the new server |
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| 12:22.13 | valdyn | genia4: i think you should use a http proxy anyway |
| 12:22.14 | rozie | Caldavien: tar, untar |
| 12:22.20 | Caldavien | err my /var/www/ darned bash ato complete wont work here |
| 12:22.25 | valdyn | genia4: you can tunnel some more services over http |
| 12:22.41 | valdyn | genia4: and you cannot get this right for everything anyway |
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| 12:23.34 | Caldavien | rozie: I had tried that but im not terribly good with it and seem to have gotten it wrong, can you suggest what options I need for it to work ? |
| 12:23.35 | rozie | Caldavien: man tar for exact options |
| 12:23.45 | rozie | -p for sure |
| 12:23.47 | sunru | Caldavien: cp --preserve ? |
| 12:23.56 | genia4 | valdyn: yeah, so it seems. |
| 12:23.57 | valdyn | genia4: where exactly do the say that openvz cant do masq? |
| 12:24.00 | genia4 | valdyn: thanks for your help! |
| 12:24.04 | genia4 | valdyn: one second |
| 12:25.12 | genia4 | valdyn: it was on the forums, sorry. Here's a link: http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=msg&goto=7703& |
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| 12:27.05 | datenritter | !reinstall |
| 12:27.06 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 12:27.23 | genia4 | valdyn: I'm thinking about going the proxifier route |
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| 12:29.31 | sunru | hmm udev has a history of maxing out. |
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| 12:32.45 | sunru | oh great now it makes a lier out of mr. |
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| 12:33.20 | datenritter | attempts to reinstall lead to "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on bash" - any ideas? |
| 12:33.55 | sunru | datenritter: are you on sid? |
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| 12:34.24 | datenritter | sunru: # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:34.24 | datenritter | squeeze/sid |
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| 12:34.52 | datenritter | sources are set to testing |
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| 12:35.27 | datenritter | i can install bash, but i can't do the '~i'-thing with aptitude |
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| 12:38.48 | abrotman | what's the full command you're typing ? |
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| 12:40.53 | sunru | heh everything is quiet when i run udevadm monitor |
| 12:41.04 | sunru | waits patiently |
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| 12:41.55 | pbn | Hi, when I try to install flashplugin-nonfree on Debian testing, aptitude says: The following packages will be REMOVED: flashplayer-mozilla{a} ia32-libs-gtk{u} ia32-libs-libcurl3{u} ia32-libs-libidn11{u} ia32-libs-libnspr4{u} ia32-libs-libnss3{u} ia32-libs-libssh2{u} lib32nss-mdns{u} nspluginwrapper{u} Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] ... should I proceed ? |
| 12:42.15 | datenritter | !reinstall |
| 12:42.15 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 12:42.21 | sunru | datenritter: with sid or testing running apt-get dist-upgrade is usually required at times. |
| 12:42.21 | datenritter | abrotman: aptitude reinstall '~i' ; |
| 12:42.44 | abrotman | double quote |
| 12:43.14 | datenritter | aptitude dist-upgrade -> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
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| 12:44.08 | datenritter | abrotman: aptitude reinstall "~i" ; -> same result |
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| 12:44.23 | abrotman | datenritter: put the full error in a pastebin |
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| 12:53.34 | Agiofws | hello |
| 12:54.02 | Agiofws | can someone help me make iceweasel play youtube videos this is getting really annoying on debian |
| 12:54.15 | sunru | bah |
| 12:54.22 | Agiofws | i tried via the package manager but still it won't play |
| 12:54.28 | Agiofws | wtf is going on ? |
| 12:54.48 | Agiofws | is this problem a usual one ? |
| 12:55.02 | sunru | a non-free problem? |
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| 12:55.16 | Agiofws | non-free ? |
| 12:55.21 | abrotman | !tell Agiofws about adobe flash |
| 12:55.41 | craigevil | Agiofws: install flashplugin-nonfree from backports or flashplayer-mozilla from dmm |
| 12:55.42 | sunru | adobe flash on linux is notoriously ..bad in many ways. |
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| 12:56.11 | Agiofws | what can i do because it plays nicely on this system here |
| 12:56.15 | abrotman | yeah .. but i'ts better than gnash/swfdec |
| 12:56.28 | abrotman | IMO |
| 12:56.44 | abrotman | better in terms of flash functionality .. obviously way worse in terms of freeness |
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| 12:59.04 | kripz | Can i list all the users in a specific group? |
| 12:59.33 | genia4 | I can use ssh to create a socks proxy over SSH. Let's say I have a shell on a server, is it possible to use ssh to just create the proxy in place? |
| 12:59.43 | datenritter | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d6eb888a3 |
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| 13:00.25 | abrotman | kripz: getent |
| 13:00.44 | abrotman | datenritter: wtf is (...) ? |
| 13:01.08 | peppe | kripz: getent group [name] |
| 13:01.27 | abrotman | datenritter: why are you trying to reinstall all your packages anyways ? |
| 13:01.32 | sunru | genia4: from the http proxy server? yes you use ssh -L to bind the address/port. |
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| 13:02.59 | datenritter | abrotman: (...) means i left out the long list of packages. i would like to reinstall all packages because i can. ;) no, seriously: the fs was damaged a little, and i want to be sure that all binaries are ok. |
| 13:03.15 | abrotman | maybe the FS is still damaged ? |
| 13:03.17 | abrotman | !debsums |
| 13:03.17 | dpkg | [debsums] a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to check config files. |
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| 13:04.08 | datenritter | uh, sounds useful... |
| 13:04.13 | datenritter | installing... |
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| 13:06.25 | kripz | I cant access my samba share on windows. I think i have set everything up correctly. I have to set permissions to 747 to be able to see/read the files. http://pastebin.com/m54fc24fd |
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| 13:07.10 | datenritter | abrotman: debsums helps, thanx! |
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| 13:12.09 | shadow` | why does debian dislike remote installs? >.> or any other linux for that matter |
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| 13:12.29 | abrotman | remote install how ? |
| 13:12.48 | shadow` | using a KVM switch, remotely mounting a CD (from another server) |
| 13:12.59 | shadow` | and debian keeps hanging, half the time at CONFIGURING APT |
| 13:13.10 | abrotman | via http ? |
| 13:13.17 | shadow` | but fedora doesnt even start the setup, ubuntu crashes/hangs at load. same with kubuntu |
| 13:13.19 | abrotman | it's probably balking on the secure-apt bits |
| 13:13.35 | shadow` | why, for it it should think the CD is loaded on a local CD drive |
| 13:13.36 | shadow` | ;/ |
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| 13:13.44 | abrotman | so put it in the local drive? |
| 13:13.58 | hiwk | yikes, recently I got an audiable bell on my eee running debian, how can I turn it off? |
| 13:13.59 | shadow` | of the server im installing it to? |
| 13:14.40 | genia4 | is there software which implements both socks proxying and http proxying? |
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| 13:16.46 | sunru | genia4: use one or the other or both. |
| 13:17.14 | genia4 | sunru: you don't understand. when you do ssh -D, it creates on the local computer a tunnel (on the port you specify), and over that tunnel it transmits your requests |
| 13:17.25 | genia4 | now, let's say I have a shell on the server I wish to be my socks proxy |
| 13:17.36 | Agiofws | can someone help me make iceweasel play youtube videos this is getting really annoying on debian |
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| 13:17.44 | genia4 | I could do ssh -Dport localhost, but it's sstupid |
| 13:17.52 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.56 | Agiofws | how do i ask ? |
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| 13:18.51 | sunru | ssh != socks |
| 13:19.00 | petemc | Agiofws: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 13:20.08 | sunru | if you want to forward ports over ssh so they appear on the local host use ssh -L |
| 13:20.09 | kripz | Can i redirect output to a file in a format windows can read? The line breaks are messed. |
| 13:20.31 | genia4 | sunru: I understand, but I don't need the tunnel |
| 13:20.40 | genia4 | sunru: no, I want exactly the opposite of that |
| 13:20.55 | abrotman | kripz: unix2dos and dos2unix |
| 13:20.55 | genia4 | sunru: I have a server, I want server:8080 to be a socks proxy |
| 13:20.56 | sunru | sounds like you want a VPN |
| 13:21.05 | abrotman | kripz: or install a better editor on windows |
| 13:21.05 | kripz | Thanks |
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| 13:22.15 | genia4 | sunru: do you understand what I need? |
| 13:22.55 | sunru | its not really clear sorry. |
| 13:22.56 | genia4 | if I do (from the client) ssh -D8080 server, then I have an open port 8080 on the client, that goes through ssh's port 22 to the server, and from there to anywhere |
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| 13:23.58 | genia4 | sunru: still following? |
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| 13:25.14 | sunru | thats not explaining what your trying to acheive. |
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| 13:25.44 | genia4 | sunru: I need a socks proxy, that's it. |
| 13:25.57 | genia4 | sorry, I need a socks proxy, on the server. |
| 13:26.09 | localoca | i have problem with utf8. in xfce4-terminal the output of dpkg-reconfigure console-data looks like that. how can i fix that? http://img5.imagebanana.com/view/u4x21z9/xfceterminal.jpg |
| 13:26.23 | hark | genia4: then install one |
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| 13:26.30 | localoca | similar problems i have with PyGTK applications |
| 13:26.36 | Agiofws | how can i check what distro i ma using ? |
| 13:26.38 | genia4 | hark: I want to use ssh as the socks proxy :) |
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| 13:28.00 | Agiofws | how can i check what distro i ma using ? lenny or etch ? |
| 13:28.04 | sunru | genia4: why if you just want to forward one port? 8080? |
| 13:28.24 | craigevil | Agiofws: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:28.25 | genia4 | sunru: no, I want to forward various ports, that's why I need a socks proxy |
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| 13:29.47 | Agiofws_ | craigevil, lapi:/home/agiofws# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:29.49 | Agiofws_ | 4.0 |
| 13:29.51 | Agiofws_ | ??? |
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| 13:31.31 | sunru | genia4: oh you can set -D multiple times you know? ssh -D remotehost:25 -D remotehost:8080 etc? |
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| 13:31.56 | genia4 | sunru: of course |
| 13:32.02 | genia4 | sunru: let me start from the beginning |
| 13:32.07 | sunru | but you might as well use -L because the application has to support socks. |
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| 13:32.19 | genia4 | when I use ssh -D, the computer on which I ran the command becomes the socks server |
| 13:32.23 | genia4 | am I right? |
| 13:32.39 | sunru | no |
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| 13:33.01 | genia4 | sunru: who then? |
| 13:35.04 | craigevil | Agiofws_: 4.0 is etch |
| 13:36.26 | Agiofws | ok ffsake can someone help me make iceweasel play youtube wtf is going on all of the sudden ? |
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| 13:36.47 | sunru | genia4: yes it does. |
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| 13:37.18 | genia4 | sunru: I want the socks server to be not on my computer, but on my server |
| 13:37.19 | sunru | genia4: ssh -D localhost:8080 |
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| 13:37.33 | genia4 | sunru: yes, I thought about that, but it's a little stupid, don't you think? |
| 13:38.40 | sunru | genia4: login to remote server and ssh -D <ipaddress>:8080 |
| 13:39.00 | fxiny | Agiofws: what do you mean by "all of a sudden" ? was it playing ? |
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| 13:39.35 | craigevil | Agiofws: 1) i would suggest you upgrade to lenny, 2) add debian-multimedia.org to your sources.list then aptitude update aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 13:40.18 | kripz | how do i chown a symlink? |
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| 13:40.42 | kripz | is it -h |
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| 13:41.52 | asg | kripz: you chown the file it points to |
| 13:41.55 | sunru | genia4: you want you local computer to connect to a ssh SOCKS server, right? so where does the ssh SOCKS server connect to? |
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| 13:41.59 | paxcoder | why do new versions of conf files remove old modified data (more specifically: apache.conf)? Can't they be made as diffs, and not touch lines that are not marked "-"? |
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| 13:42.24 | genia4 | sunru: that's the whole point of socks, the protocol tells it where to connec to. |
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| 13:42.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | whenever i run any apt-get command, i get this error: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m38568580 ideas?? |
| 13:42.45 | raphi | paxcoder: aptitude asks if it should replace the files, not sure about the original apt-get.. |
| 13:42.52 | sunru | genia4: But your using SSH tunnelling!! to where! |
| 13:43.19 | paxcoder | raphi: yes, it asks, but I only have a choice to remove modified data and have a new conf, or keep the old conf altogeather. |
| 13:43.27 | Agiofws | craigevil, still its fsked UP ... |
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| 13:43.53 | Agiofws_ | help with this issue stupid issue |
| 13:44.06 | genia4 | sunru: I don't want to tunnel over ssh, I just want a socks proxy |
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| 13:44.12 | sunru | omg |
| 13:44.23 | raphi | paxcoder: so you want some intelligence behind it, right? |
| 13:44.37 | paxcoder | correct. possible? |
| 13:44.47 | raphi | don't know.. |
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| 13:45.16 | paxcoder | Actually, the main problem would be making diffs between new and all old versions of confs. |
| 13:45.52 | acu | I want to create a backport (I want to install EKIGA 3.2 from Squeeze but maintain the Lenny intact) - can anyone tell me how to do it |
| 13:46.03 | paxcoder | But this can be solved by user side providing the diff between the current (old) conf, and the default (old) conf. |
| 13:46.04 | raphi | paxcoder: i think you can do something with the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d files.. so you always say, don't replace and afterwards the script runs and modifies as you define it.. |
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| 13:46.19 | asg | acu: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:46.27 | craigevil | Agiofws_: take a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=28572 |
| 13:46.45 | genia4 | sunoano: thanks for your time, I have to go |
| 13:48.03 | paxcoder | raphi: yeah, I could make a script to do what I described above. But it would be nicer if it was automated by the dpkg or something. |
| 13:48.20 | paxcoder | Perhaps I should make a prog someday... |
| 13:48.29 | acu | asg so I have to type dpkg simple sid backport ? |
| 13:49.12 | asg | acu: dpkg is our bot, if you /msg dpkg simple sid backport, you will get information pertaining to what you want to do. |
| 13:49.25 | raphi | paxcoder: no question that it would be nicer.. ;-) but I think you can't always thrust it. I mean in your home-lab you don't need to worry, but on a production system it's not always fun.. |
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| 13:50.08 | paxcoder | raphi: well it could always be an option, just like "replace" is an option currently. |
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| 13:50.15 | acu | ! simple sid backport |
| 13:50.16 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 13:51.30 | raphi | paxcoder: I would give a try on an apt/aptitude mailing list or create a bugreport.. |
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| 13:52.25 | paxcoder | raphi: perhaps there already is similar functionality in one of the config tracking programs available. I'll go through them now... |
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| 13:54.10 | Agiofws_ | can someone help me use etch with youtube wtf happened all of the sudden ???? |
| 13:54.28 | abrotman | Agiofws_: install flash from adobe .. |
| 13:54.31 | Agiofws_ | why do i have to spend 98789789789hours to do something so simple |
| 13:54.31 | abrotman | i think you've been told quite a few times |
| 13:54.36 | Agiofws_ | abrotman, i did |
| 13:54.54 | abrotman | Agiofws_: did you try about:plugins to see what plugins you're using? |
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| 13:58.31 | Agiofws_ | abrotman, ok i see i have 2 versions of the flash player installed |
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| 13:58.45 | Agiofws_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.45 | Agiofws_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.05 | Agiofws_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.06 | Agiofws_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.07 | Agiofws_ | ?> |
| 13:59.20 | abrotman | so where did libflash-mozplugin.so come from ? |
| 13:59.26 | abrotman | you can use dpkg -S or apt-file to find out |
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| 14:00.34 | Eftarjin | hi. I know some python and i think i can solve this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514626, but iâm not familiar with debian packaging (technical or policies). What should i do? |
| 14:01.03 | asg | Eftarjin: if you can fix the bug by sending a patch, that should suffice |
| 14:01.51 | asg | Eftarjin: in this case, a patch to the debian/rules file in the src package should do. |
| 14:02.11 | Eftarjin | asg: send it to the maintainer ? a patch like diff -ur of the package source tree ? |
| 14:02.15 | Agiofws_ | abrotman, i removed via package manager installed manually ... version 10 still fsked up ... |
| 14:02.25 | paxcoder | it's fsck |
| 14:02.31 | asg | Eftarjin: just attach the patch to the bug |
| 14:02.52 | Eftarjin | asg: ok, thanks |
| 14:02.53 | abrotman | Agiofws_: versoin 10 of what? |
| 14:03.03 | Agiofws_ | adobe |
| 14:03.10 | Agiofws_ | now it sees only version 4 |
| 14:03.29 | abrotman | Agiofws_: 1) why are you still on etch? 2) why would you uninstall the adobe 9 flash instead of uninstalling whatever the other one was? |
| 14:04.33 | Agiofws_ | id didint i unsinstalled via package manager and installed manually from adobes site |
| 14:04.57 | abrotman | you still didn't answer 1) |
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| 14:06.05 | Agiofws_ | abrotman, cause the OS that lives on this PC since i bought it |
| 14:06.17 | abrotman | !tell Agiofws_ about etch->lenny |
| 14:06.27 | abrotman | Agiofws_: adobe flash 10 does not work on etch |
| 14:06.38 | Agiofws_ | ok so i change the whole OS because of YOUtube ? |
| 14:06.39 | Agiofws_ | ok |
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| 14:07.12 | purplepenguins | flash and linux are still not quite amicable |
| 14:07.43 | FuriousRage | in what repo do i find cyrus-sasl-plain? |
| 14:07.48 | izua | is there any blackberry server for linux? |
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| 14:10.13 | abrotman | Agiofws_: did adobe flash 9 stop working ? |
| 14:10.13 | Agiofws_ | yes |
| 14:10.13 | Agiofws_ | all of the sudden since today |
| 14:10.15 | abrotman | judd: versions gnash |
| 14:10.16 | judd | abrotman: gnash -- etch-backports: 0.8.2-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.8.4-2 squeeze: 0.8.4-2 sid: 0.8.5-1+b1 |
| 14:10.27 | abrotman | so you didn't spend 987987987987 hours working on it .. you lied to me |
| 14:10.28 | Agiofws_ | 10 won't even display |
| 14:10.34 | Agiofws_ | in about plugins ? |
| 14:10.37 | abrotman | 10 DOES NOT WORK ON ETCH |
| 14:10.40 | abrotman | i already said that |
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| 14:12.15 | Agiofws_ | ok where can i get 8 ? |
| 14:12.28 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:13.00 | EagleScreen | how I obtain information about a package from here? |
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| 14:13.19 | Agiofws_ | can i get an older version of adobe ? |
| 14:13.36 | purplepenguins | Agiofws_: maybe check their website? |
| 14:13.51 | abrotman | Agiofws_: if 9 doesn't work .. what makes you think 8 will ? |
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| 14:14.02 | abrotman | EagleScreen: which package? what kind of information ? |
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| 14:14.38 | EagleScreen | abrotman: i remember that the version and the sort description etc.. |
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| 14:14.45 | EagleScreen | !quanta |
| 14:14.45 | dpkg | i guess quanta is http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/, or #quanta @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:14.55 | abrotman | judd: versions quanta |
| 14:14.55 | judd | abrotman: quanta -- etch: 4:3.5.5-1 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 4:3.5.9-3 |
| 14:15.05 | abrotman | judd: info quanta --release lenny |
| 14:15.05 | judd | abrotman: quanta (web): is optional; Version: 4:3.5.9-3; Size: 2480.3k; Installed: 5940k -- web development environment for KDE |
| 14:15.17 | EagleScreen | quanta is not in testing |
| 14:15.22 | abrotman | EagleScreen: though you could just use http://packages.debian.org/quanta |
| 14:15.30 | abrotman | nope .. not in squeeze or sid |
| 14:15.49 | EagleScreen | is there any altertative for quanta? |
| 14:16.06 | Agiofws_ | ok who should i start swearing youtube ? adobe ? debian ? or myself ? |
| 14:16.07 | craigevil | EagleScreen: try kompozer |
| 14:16.12 | abrotman | vi ? .. i don't use a thing like that |
| 14:16.19 | abrotman | Agiofws_: yourself .. |
| 14:16.21 | purplepenguins | emacs! |
| 14:17.05 | Agiofws_ | ok nice |
| 14:17.46 | Agiofws_ | i will reinstall the whole OS just to get youtube to be able top play why does than remind me of windows ? |
| 14:17.59 | abrotman | you do'nt have to reinstall the whole OS .. you NEVER pay attention to anything people tell you |
| 14:18.09 | purplepenguins | it's not debian's fault, might be adobe's, surely not youtube's |
| 14:18.32 | Agiofws_ | abrotman, ok upgrade to menny yes ? |
| 14:18.36 | Agiofws_ | lenny ? |
| 14:18.45 | abrotman | that doesn't require a reinstall |
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| 14:20.43 | purplepenguins | upgrading to lenny isn't the worst idea |
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| 14:21.03 | purplepenguins | old-stale is old, new stale is less old |
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| 14:38.17 | orion_x11 | How do I stop a infinite loop of booting and rebooting in my squeeze? When it comes to show gdm it does not show and send me again to grub and restart again infinitely :-( |
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| 14:38.45 | jetscreamer | boot single and do nodm |
| 14:38.51 | jetscreamer | !nodm |
| 14:38.51 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 14:39.37 | jetscreamer | or just backup and edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 14:39.51 | jetscreamer | empty it out |
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| 14:40.54 | Titan8990 | thats overkill when he can just remove it from startup with update-rc.d |
| 14:40.54 | EagleScreen | orion_x11: also if boot in safe mode? |
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| 14:41.33 | jetscreamer | or chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm (iirc) |
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| 14:41.41 | orion_x11 | jetscreamer: it was ok up yesterday, but after upgrading this problem came out |
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| 14:42.26 | jetscreamer | i always found the nodm factoid ato be overkill myself also |
| 14:42.34 | jetscreamer | s/ato/to/ |
| 14:42.34 | bheron_ | Ugh... |
| 14:42.53 | bheron_ | how do I change from DHCP to Static IPs? |
| 14:43.22 | bheron_ | I just tried it and I can't restore networking on my machine in spite of putting the file back just the way it was (since I saved the original) |
| 14:43.24 | orion_x11 | EagleScreen: I can boot in safe mode, but I need X and after issuing 'startx' it sends me again to rebooting :-( |
| 14:43.24 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/network/interfaces ... man interfaces (iirc) |
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| 14:43.38 | bheron_ | sighs. |
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| 14:44.17 | Titan8990 | orion_x11, the whole point was so you could fix you GUI |
| 14:44.35 | Titan8990 | orion_x11, i.e. look at some logs maybe |
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| 14:44.54 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log maybe |
| 14:45.00 | EagleScreen | orion_x11: boot in safe mode, install rcconf, run rcconf and disable gdm or kdm, and lets see if it is the problem |
| 14:45.02 | orion_x11 | Titan8990: installing and reinstalling gnome? |
| 14:45.08 | kukac | hi, i have userA and userB, each has its own group with different gid. the directories in the home directories has all drwx-rx-rx privileges. Why userA can see the UserB files? |
| 14:45.18 | Titan8990 | orion_x11, no... wth? i said look at some logs |
| 14:45.25 | jetscreamer | the r's have it |
| 14:45.40 | Titan8990 | orion_x11, use pastebinit to show us here in irc even.... |
| 14:46.02 | Titan8990 | orion_x11, reinstalling in linux essentially does nothing... unless you use gentoo |
| 14:46.07 | orion_x11 | EagleScreen: Already done, but the problem remains for after issuing startx it reboots again |
| 14:46.17 | pingouin | a little bit of topic : someone knows an extension for iceweasel which show the source code of html page a better way than the default right click/show page source ? |
| 14:46.20 | jetscreamer | drwx-rx-rx ... user, group, anybody |
| 14:46.45 | Titan8990 | pingouin, firebug if iceweasel accepts all firefox add-ins |
| 14:46.48 | EagleScreen | orion_x11: any problem with your graphics driver? |
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| 14:46.58 | kukac | jetscreamer: sure, but userA has userA group and userB userB group which are not the same. |
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| 14:47.57 | kukac | jetscreamer: it the groups are not the same, why one could access other files? |
| 14:47.59 | jetscreamer | drwx.. directory, read,write,execute (user)... rw read, execute(group) rw... |
| 14:48.01 | orion_x11 | EagleScreen: I think not. I was ok the day before yesterday and in windows (dual boot) it is working without any problem |
| 14:48.03 | pingouin | Titan8990: thank you |
| 14:48.12 | jetscreamer | user |
| 14:48.13 | Titan8990 | kukac, execute permissions on a directory is what allows them to list the contents of said directory |
| 14:48.30 | Titan8990 | pingouin, np... its almost like a full web application debugger |
| 14:48.50 | jetscreamer | chmod to 700 (drwx- - - -) |
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| 14:49.52 | cire | I want to create an udev-rule that makes a symlink for any usb stick connected. The symlink should be named after ENV{ID_MODEL}. Everything works, but I don't know how to get the model as name |
| 14:50.19 | kukac | jetscreamer: I did it, but I dont understand why one can access to other files if they are not in the same group |
| 14:50.23 | Titan8990 | cire, what happens when you add 5 usb sticks of the same model? |
| 14:50.39 | jetscreamer | you have it set to anybody as well as any group |
| 14:50.47 | kukac | jetscreamer: because they have a gid above 1000? |
| 14:50.51 | cire | usually this won't happen. But, just in case, what would you do? |
| 14:51.29 | jetscreamer | the 700 isn't about gid or uid, when chmod'ing.. it sets the rwx's |
| 14:51.30 | cire | ahh, I forgot, I want to name it "%k_MODEL" |
| 14:51.58 | jetscreamer | the 7 is $user, the 0 is group and the last 0 is anybody |
| 14:52.03 | ajavid | hey jet |
| 14:52.05 | ajavid | mornin |
| 14:52.07 | jetscreamer | hey dude |
| 14:52.07 | cire | so, in general, can a ENV{} be used for naming? |
| 14:52.10 | ajavid | so you back man? |
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| 14:52.19 | jetscreamer | afaict yeah |
| 14:52.23 | ajavid | hell yeah |
| 14:52.24 | EagleScreen | orion_x11: think what did you do to break it |
| 14:52.25 | ajavid | welcome back man |
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| 14:52.47 | jetscreamer | this dsl bites though :( ( :) ) |
| 14:52.49 | ajavid | i'll be around in a bit after I've taken care of my morning ablotions |
| 14:53.00 | ajavid | etc. |
| 14:53.04 | kukac | jetscreamer: and why my userA and userB are in the same group if they aren't? |
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| 14:53.15 | jetscreamer | huh? |
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| 14:53.23 | Titan8990 | kukac, execute permissions on a directory is what allows them to list the contents of said directory |
| 14:53.30 | Titan8990 | ^ already been said |
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| 14:53.37 | jetscreamer | what he said.. as well as the read bit |
| 14:53.44 | xand | Titan8990: wrong |
| 14:53.55 | ajavid | huh? |
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| 14:54.02 | xand | READ permissions on a directory let you list the contents |
| 14:54.04 | ajavid | d |
| 14:54.08 | kukac | titan899: execute permissions: do you mean chmod and chgrp? |
| 14:54.17 | xand | exexcute lets you access the contents if you have permission on the files |
| 14:54.17 | Titan8990 | xand, i tested it many times i was in this argument last time |
| 14:54.22 | Titan8990 | kukac, man chmod |
| 14:54.29 | xand | Titan8990: well you're wrong anyway |
| 14:54.34 | jetscreamer | drwx-rx-rx |
| 14:54.52 | ajavid | right and wrong |
| 14:54.53 | jetscreamer | the last 2 r's |
| 14:55.02 | jetscreamer | that's why |
| 14:55.13 | jetscreamer | lose them and the last two x's |
| 14:56.05 | Titan8990 | xand, test@boole /home $ ls dawn ls: cannot access dawn/file: Permission denied |
| 14:56.18 | xand | it doesn't say cannot access dawn |
| 14:56.19 | Titan8990 | xand, drwxr--r-- 3 dawn dawn 4096 Aug 15 09:56 dawn |
| 14:56.19 | xand | does it? |
| 14:56.28 | jetscreamer | drwx-rx-rx is 744 isn't it?: or is it 766 |
| 14:56.38 | xand | Titan8990: your example doesn't prove you correct |
| 14:56.57 | Titan8990 | xand, it failed to list the contents do to lack of execute permissions |
| 14:57.03 | xand | no it didn't |
| 14:57.09 | unop | jetscreamer, 766 |
| 14:57.12 | Titan8990 | xand, the user also can't cd to the directory that it only has read perms for |
| 14:57.22 | xand | Titan8990: how did it know there's a file called "file" in there? |
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| 14:57.39 | unop | jetscreamer, actually no - 755 |
| 14:57.43 | Titan8990 | xand, good call |
| 14:57.43 | xand | Titan8990: yes, that's what I said |
| 14:58.00 | xand | execute lets you read the contents, but not data about the contents |
| 14:58.25 | xand | or the contents themselves |
| 14:58.28 | xand | er |
| 14:58.31 | xand | sorry, read. |
| 14:58.47 | xand | you need execute to read the contents/their metadata |
| 14:59.12 | unop | .. of directories |
| 14:59.27 | xand | pay attention |
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| 14:59.54 | ajavid | too bloody nitpicky |
| 14:59.58 | ajavid | just know |
| 15:00.00 | jetscreamer | so just make it 700 and you should be set |
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| 15:00.28 | bheron_ | okay... |
| 15:00.51 | kukac | jetscreamer: in my system userA from group userA can read userb files from userB group with drwxr-xr-x permissions. |
| 15:01.23 | jetscreamer | you mean can ls the dir |
| 15:01.37 | jetscreamer | i'm guessing |
| 15:01.50 | Titan8990 | kukac, dude, did you just miss the convo we had? |
| 15:01.52 | kukac | jetscreame: ok, I understand, the same permissions are granted for the group and anybody, sorry |
| 15:02.01 | jetscreamer | the x has it |
| 15:02.02 | Titan8990 | kukac, you have read and execute perms for OTHER.... |
| 15:02.13 | bheron_ | can someone please explain to me why copying back the same config file I had before doesn't set things back to how they were? |
| 15:02.23 | Titan8990 | kukac, anyone can read and list the contents of the dir |
| 15:02.43 | kukac | titan899: sorry, I understand now, i was stupid |
| 15:02.44 | jetscreamer | but can't read the inside of the files |
| 15:02.45 | Titan8990 | bheron_, too vague to be answered |
| 15:02.49 | unop | bheron_, perhaps, your application/service needs a restart? |
| 15:03.00 | jetscreamer | i think he's the networking dude |
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| 15:03.19 | bheron_ | I changed my interfaces file to be static.. it didn't work, so I copied back the original file which I had saved off. |
| 15:03.31 | bheron_ | did /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:03.33 | jetscreamer | that one didn't work either did it |
| 15:03.36 | bheron_ | No dice. |
| 15:03.43 | Titan8990 | bheron_, network-manager interferes with classic interface networking |
| 15:03.48 | kukac | titan8990, jetscreamer: thanks a log |
| 15:03.51 | kukac | titan8990, jetscreamer: thanks a lot |
| 15:03.55 | Titan8990 | bheron_, if a gui networking tool is in use, remove it |
| 15:04.02 | jetscreamer | try changing, in the file, allow-hotplug to auto |
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| 15:04.16 | Titan8990 | kukac, np |
| 15:04.24 | bheron_ | jetscreamer, it already is.. |
| 15:04.31 | jetscreamer | that's what i had to do .. oh ok nm |
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| 15:05.20 | Titan8990 | i had to remove network-manager from my default runlevel |
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| 15:05.33 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 15:06.14 | Titan8990 | wth... |
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| 15:06.28 | bheron_ | I'll try a couple of other things. |
| 15:06.34 | Titan8990 | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-2.6-686: linux-image-2.6-686 depends on linux-image-2.6.30-1-686; |
| 15:06.35 | dpkg | Titan8990: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 15:07.22 | Titan8990 | someone come up with a single legit reason an older kernel version should depend on a newer one, in case where I have done aptitude hold linux-image-`uname -r`..... |
| 15:07.33 | jetscreamer | it's not |
| 15:07.41 | deface | anyone been able to get nvidia-kernel working on 2.6.30-bpo.1 ? http://pastebin.ca/1530552 |
| 15:07.47 | jetscreamer | it's a metapackage depending on something |
| 15:07.51 | Titan8990 | jetscreamer, oh... i see |
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| 15:09.34 | Titan8990 | jetscreamer, the name difference threw me off at first, i just removed to virtual package and everything is great |
| 15:09.57 | jetscreamer | i'd nuke all the metapackages if they weren't so dang convienent |
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| 15:10.20 | themill | Titan8990: virtual != meta. |
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| 15:11.25 | Titan8990 | themill, i know, but virtual was a better fit in this case since it only pointed to a single package |
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| 15:11.29 | Titan8990 | themill, like java |
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| 15:12.45 | jetscreamer | 'anybody' know offhand if xorg has 3d support for the ati x30 yet? |
| 15:12.51 | jetscreamer | err x300 |
| 15:13.09 | jetscreamer | in sid.. afaict it's not in testing |
| 15:13.18 | memonyk | I installed GADMIN-PROFTPD in Lenny i386 and I get a segmentation fault and closes the window - any solution |
| 15:13.18 | adb | deface: worked here , but i used module-assistant |
| 15:13.48 | Titan8990 | jetscreamer, 3d is supported by the fglrx and radeonhd drivers, check those drivers for compatibility with your card |
| 15:13.51 | deface | adb, thats the output from m-a |
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| 15:14.14 | jetscreamer | not the x300.. it's that special 'you're screwed dude' middleground |
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| 15:14.30 | Titan8990 | memonyk, im guessing just the gadmin GUI segfaults? |
| 15:14.39 | adb | deface: something is wrong than ... |
| 15:14.56 | deface | yeah, cant track it back either |
| 15:15.07 | memonyk | Titan Yes - because I have GsAMBAD and that works |
| 15:15.08 | jetscreamer | deprecated out of fglrx, but not in the gpl'd xorg driver yet either |
| 15:15.14 | themill | Titan8990: no, virtual is a completely different things entirely. See §3.6 of debian policy. |
| 15:15.23 | jetscreamer | or wasn't as of 2 months ago |
| 15:16.07 | memonyk | Titan8990 so the GUI segfaults what should I do ? |
| 15:16.08 | ajavid | what are you talking about? |
| 15:16.17 | ajavid | if is ati/radeon just ask me ;) |
| 15:16.26 | jetscreamer | me? my crappy x300 ati card |
| 15:16.48 | Titan8990 | memonyk, edit it the config the traditional way |
| 15:16.51 | ajavid | jetscreamer, yes you can get 3d |
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| 15:17.00 | ajavid | jetscreamer, you need xorg 7.4 (sid) |
| 15:17.10 | jetscreamer | that was my question |
| 15:17.10 | ajavid | jetscreamer, radeon open source driver in sid has 3d support, not lenny |
| 15:17.20 | Titan8990 | themill, honestly, after reading the description of a virtual package in that section, the package i was talking about still sounds like a virtual to me |
| 15:17.23 | jetscreamer | and not testing either afaict |
| 15:17.27 | ajavid | jetscreamer, or fglrx (but I'd rather be open) |
| 15:17.35 | ajavid | has lenny + 7.4 xorg + free 3d |
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| 15:17.57 | ajavid | i'm proud of myself, I debianized and packaged 7.4 myself ;) |
| 15:18.07 | ajavid | I say myself twice. |
| 15:18.14 | ajavid | my grammar sucks. |
| 15:18.21 | themill | Titan8990: virtual packages don't exist, hence "virtual". The kernel metapackage actually exists however (there's a .deb for it). |
| 15:18.22 | jetscreamer | but are you certain the x300 is supported |
| 15:18.29 | ajavid | jetscreamer, absolutely |
| 15:18.35 | ajavid | jetscreamer, just to be sure, which chipset is it |
| 15:18.36 | jetscreamer | it wasn't in the beforetimes |
| 15:18.45 | ajavid | jetscreamer, you have been away for some time |
| 15:18.53 | jetscreamer | 2 months |
| 15:18.53 | Titan8990 | themill, it appeared to be that the kernel metapackage did nothing but point to another package |
| 15:18.56 | ajavid | jetscreamer, bullshit |
| 15:18.59 | ajavid | jetscreamer, more like half ay ear |
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| 15:19.06 | ajavid | jetscreamer, you know I moved back to louisiana |
| 15:19.12 | Titan8990 | themill, apt is the only binary package management i like.... i don't make me hate it lol :( |
| 15:19.13 | jetscreamer | no i didn't |
| 15:19.20 | ajavid | yeh, more than two months ;) |
| 15:19.22 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 15:19.40 | jetscreamer | well i haven't had intarweb for 2 months |
| 15:19.50 | ajavid | and your phone # stopped working |
| 15:19.56 | ajavid | anyway, find out your chjipset |
| 15:20.09 | ajavid | jetscreamer, upto r580 is fully supported on radeon 7.4 xorg |
| 15:20.16 | jetscreamer | yeh.... that's my 'best friend' ex-boss for you... the phone |
| 15:20.19 | ajavid | I have x1900 with is exactly r580 chipset |
| 15:20.30 | ajavid | x300 is probably way before it |
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| 15:20.33 | ajavid | so yeah, it should be good |
| 15:20.36 | jetscreamer | way way |
| 15:21.28 | jetscreamer | wel my wife wants to yogurt, so.... (yoga) |
| 15:21.38 | jetscreamer | afk or something |
| 15:21.48 | ajavid | say hi for me |
| 15:22.00 | Titan8990 | themill, in gentoo you would have a package called say... java, and the package would be virtual. when you emerge the java package it would pull the java type that you have defined in your make.conf |
| 15:22.01 | jetscreamer | ok i did |
| 15:22.13 | Titan8990 | themill, thats why I was referring to it as virtual |
| 15:22.19 | jetscreamer | she said hi back.. and when are you getting married |
| 15:22.27 | ajavid | you gonna get me y elled at bro |
| 15:22.29 | ajavid | offtopic' |
| 15:22.32 | jetscreamer | !metapackage |
| 15:22.33 | dpkg | [metapackage] a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 15:22.33 | ajavid | #debian-chat |
| 15:22.37 | ajavid | jetscreamer, #debian-chat |
| 15:23.41 | Titan8990 | jetscreamer, there are also meta package in gentoo that are different from the virtuals |
| 15:24.01 | ajavid | I forgot the basics |
| 15:24.04 | ajavid | !package basics |
| 15:24.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 15:24.15 | binary | hey folks |
| 15:24.19 | binary | why no dillo in lenny? |
| 15:24.20 | ajavid | I wonder if it has diff types of packages |
| 15:24.26 | ajavid | judd versions dillo |
| 15:24.26 | judd | ajavid: dillo -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1 sid: 0.8.6-3 |
| 15:24.35 | ajavid | binary, no idea, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 15:24.44 | ajavid | binary, backport it yourself (trivial) |
| 15:24.46 | adb | deface: dpkg -l | grep nvidia-glx , says ii (installed) ? |
| 15:25.11 | binary | ajavid: I might just frickin' compile it myself |
| 15:25.18 | binary | not much point in making it a deb |
| 15:25.20 | ajavid | yea so do it the debian way please |
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| 15:25.24 | ajavid | ok, good luck. |
| 15:25.26 | binary | ajavid: why? |
| 15:25.41 | binary | ajavid: afaik it has very few dependency issues |
| 15:26.15 | deface | adb, ii nvidia-glx 173.14.09-5 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver |
| 15:26.20 | binary | oh the dillo site has a deb, all is well |
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| 15:26.32 | ajavid | shakes his head |
| 15:26.40 | binary | ajavid: what? |
| 15:26.41 | ajavid | ahhhh boy |
| 15:26.59 | FuriousRage | note to self: if no logs get created, try restart syslogd >.< |
| 15:27.01 | tonsofpcs | ajavid: what'd you do? |
| 15:27.06 | ajavid | binary, the debian way is the better way. I would not trust 3rd party packages. |
| 15:27.16 | ajavid | tonsofpcs, backport it myself, in 3 easy fucking steps. |
| 15:27.20 | ajavid | !ssb |
| 15:27.21 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 15:27.21 | binary | ajavid: normally, I would agree, but its a simple package |
| 15:27.27 | ajavid | it doesn't matter man |
| 15:27.43 | ajavid | I gave you my opinion/advice you are now on your own |
| 15:27.45 | ajavid | have fun |
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| 15:27.59 | binary | ajavid: I appreciate your help, but I'm doing it my way :) |
| 15:28.06 | adb | deface: nvidia-glx 185.18.14-2 , take it from sid , wget + dpkg -i , it ,and redo, m-a clean; and m-a |
| 15:28.11 | Titan8990 | binary, my advice is any way you want - as long as the final result is installing a .deb |
| 15:28.15 | ajavid | you will then no longer find support here. |
| 15:28.18 | binary | Titan8990: it is |
| 15:28.21 | Titan8990 | binary, dpkg-buildpackage ftw |
| 15:28.23 | tonsofpcs | ajavid: want to fix mgetty for me? :) |
| 15:28.23 | binary | ajavid: maybe not from you :) |
| 15:28.35 | binary | ajavid: but you are not the only person in this channel :) |
| 15:28.37 | ajavid | binary, you will not find support for 3rd party unofficial packages |
| 15:28.47 | binary | ajavid: I don't need the support |
| 15:28.48 | ajavid | binary, please do not argue, do as you like, but beware. |
| 15:28.58 | ajavid | binary, obviously, that is why you are here. |
| 15:28.59 | Titan8990 | ajavid, then we shouldn't support backports |
| 15:29.03 | binary | ajavid: I've built dillo from source before, without making it into a package, it is a simple job |
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| 15:29.17 | binary | ajavid: simplicity of dillo's advantages |
| 15:29.18 | ajavid | why are you fucking arguying with me man |
| 15:29.21 | binary | *is one of |
| 15:29.22 | ajavid | I don't give a fuck. |
| 15:29.29 | ajavid | wtf do you want from me? |
| 15:29.31 | ajavid | huh |
| 15:29.38 | binary | ajavid: I don't think I'm arguing with you, merely justifying my actions :) |
| 15:29.49 | ajavid | I don't care for your justifications. |
| 15:29.50 | binary | ajavid: apologies if you think I am arguing :) |
| 15:29.57 | ajavid | no dont worry about it |
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| 15:30.02 | ajavid | its all good |
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| 15:30.27 | adb | ajavid: be cool man ... |
| 15:30.49 | ajavid | adb, yes sir. |
| 15:31.01 | ajavid | my bad. |
| 15:31.10 | adb | agree , it's ok |
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| 15:40.06 | Suppermann | Hi. When i write "java -version" in console, it says i have java 5, but i HAVE installed sun-java6. How come it says so? |
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| 15:40.52 | nevyn | Suppermann: what does update-alternatives --display java say? |
| 15:41.27 | Suppermann | nevyn, how do i do that? |
| 15:41.38 | ajavid | no |
| 15:41.46 | ajavid | update-java-alternatives please |
| 15:41.51 | nevyn | ok |
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| 15:42.09 | ajavid | for example |
| 15:42.36 | Suppermann | command not found |
| 15:42.38 | ajavid | update-java-alternatives -s sun-java6 |
| 15:42.40 | ajavid | something |
| 15:42.44 | ajavid | fuck i forgot |
| 15:42.45 | ajavid | hang on |
| 15:42.48 | Suppermann | okay |
| 15:43.10 | nevyn | Suppermann: it's in /usr/sbin |
| 15:43.11 | ajavid | yeah |
| 15:43.16 | malgar | hello.. is there a way/software like keynote on apple that permits to show the presentation on the video projector and notes, slides,.. on the monitor? |
| 15:43.20 | ajavid | do sudo update-java-alternatives -l |
| 15:43.23 | ajavid | first column is the name |
| 15:43.28 | ajavid | use the name with -s to set it |
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| 15:43.46 | Suppermann | it says java-6-sun and java-gcj |
| 15:43.47 | ajavid | do sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun |
| 15:44.17 | Suppermann | thank you very much! |
| 15:44.22 | bheron_ | okay... it's got an interface now... but it's getting "operation not permitted" :/ *scratches head* |
| 15:44.39 | bheron_ | (when i try to ping something) |
| 15:44.47 | nevyn | ajavid: how do you find which is currently set? |
| 15:45.57 | ajavid | uh |
| 15:45.59 | ajavid | Id unno |
| 15:46.03 | ajavid | nevyn, ls -l /etc/alternatives/java |
| 15:46.05 | ajavid | ? |
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| 15:46.11 | adb | ls -al /etc/alternatives/ | grep java |
| 15:46.40 | ajavid | no need tolist hidden and grep ;) |
| 15:46.53 | ajavid | thanks for confirming though |
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| 15:47.22 | nevyn | ajavid: or update-alternatives --display java |
| 15:47.35 | nevyn | which gives you what's currently set and what the availible alternatives are |
| 15:47.40 | ajavid | I see |
| 15:48.07 | Suppermann | I've found it VERY difficult installing sun-java in debian |
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| 15:48.27 | bullgard | Where can I find a definition for "provides" in dpkg? As used for example in http://vmlinux.org/cgi-bin/dwww?type=runman&location=dpkg-gencontrol/1 |
| 15:49.09 | fxiny | Suppermann: why ? i used sun java on etch all the time |
| 15:49.34 | fxiny | bheron_: is /etc/resolv.conf ok ? |
| 15:50.18 | xand | Suppermann: what? it's in the repositories |
| 15:50.25 | fxiny | Suppermann: is a good way to understand how /etc/alternatives works |
| 15:50.32 | ajavid | !alternatives |
| 15:50.32 | dpkg | [alternatives] the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. |
| 15:51.22 | adb | ajavid: ls -al /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java give the current java used |
| 15:51.43 | nevyn | adb: it shouldn't |
| 15:51.46 | Suppermann | fxiny, well, for example sun java isnt in the add/remove applications and when I found out how to apt-get sun-java, i couldn't get it work with firefox or by itself. And yes, I am rather new to linux :) |
| 15:51.46 | ajavid | huh? |
| 15:51.48 | EagleScreen | see also galternatives |
| 15:51.49 | nevyn | that's the real gcj java |
| 15:51.57 | ajavid | siddown ;) |
| 15:52.17 | ajavid | Suppermann, install sun-java6-plugin |
| 15:52.58 | bheron_ | fxiny, it points to my router, which is were it should point to. |
| 15:53.06 | bheron_ | that's where it was pointing before all of this mess. |
| 15:53.15 | ajavid | Suppermann, what is the output of apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 15:53.20 | bheron_ | and... I removed the gui network manager... still no dice. |
| 15:53.28 | bheron_ | I can't believe that it's this fragile. |
| 15:53.38 | Suppermann | ajavid, i think i made a symbolic link to do the same. Maybe with a version of java i downloaded from sun |
| 15:53.41 | bheron_ | it would take me less time to reinstall than to trudge through all of this. |
| 15:54.01 | Suppermann | anyway, the point is it's not newbie-friendly :) |
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| 15:54.47 | ajavid | Suppermann, the output of this command is what? |
| 15:55.07 | Suppermann | what? |
| 15:55.13 | ajavid | apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 15:55.16 | ajavid | paste here |
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| 15:55.43 | Suppermann | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.56 | ajavid | ok, good stuff |
| 15:56.00 | ajavid | just making sure a newb is using stable |
| 15:56.25 | ajavid | it would have been unwise to start with anything else |
| 15:56.39 | fxiny | Suppermann: all you need is something like : /usr/bin/java java /usr/local/jre1.6.0_03/bin/java 60 |
| 15:56.55 | fxiny | Suppermann: then update-alternatives --config java |
| 15:57.15 | fxiny | but , obviously a packaged java is easier to install |
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| 15:57.58 | ajavid | fxiny, again... update-java-alternatives |
| 15:58.09 | ajavid | fxiny, what you said won't do nothin |
| 15:58.18 | fxiny | ajavid: bulls* |
| 15:58.27 | ajavid | I bulls* you not |
| 15:58.37 | ajavid | check it out |
| 15:58.44 | fxiny | ajavid: i'm telling him how he can use the update alternative system to create symlinks |
| 15:58.44 | Titan8990 | ajavid, i think it should be: update-alternatives --config java |
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| 15:59.03 | Suppermann | fxiny, i actually used update-java-alternatives |
| 15:59.07 | Titan8990 | ajavid, and update-alternative --config javac |
| 15:59.08 | ajavid | fxiny, yes, but trust me, it doesn't work, it won't switch your java alternative fully with that |
| 15:59.15 | ajavid | you HYAVE to use update-java-alternatives |
| 15:59.24 | ajavid | just fucking use what it was made for, ok, and stop arguing. |
| 15:59.29 | EagleScreen | galtertatives graphical application is very good |
| 15:59.33 | fxiny | ajavid: --install and --config |
| 15:59.44 | fxiny | ajavid: it works |
| 15:59.52 | ajavid | nope not here |
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| 16:00.07 | Titan8990 | ajavid, ehh... i typically only read official documentation and that is what i used |
| 16:00.08 | ajavid | and people have come in here with the same problem |
| 16:00.31 | ajavid | ok... do as you like |
| 16:00.40 | fxiny | Suppermann: man update-alternatives --> install and config |
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| 16:01.12 | nevyn | update-java-alternative I think just calls update-alternatives but it makes all the bits consistant |
| 16:01.22 | nevyn | javac and java and classpath etc |
| 16:01.27 | ajavid | When wanting to switch between different JDK implementations on Debian, it |
| 16:01.46 | ajavid | has to use "update-alternatives --config" for each individual binary that's in a JDK. |
| 16:01.49 | fxiny | Suppermann: same for mozilla : update-alternatives --install mozilla-javaplugin.so |
| 16:02.02 | ajavid | update-java-alternatives is a wrapper script around it |
| 16:02.11 | ajavid | it does switch all binaries automatically system wide |
| 16:02.20 | ajavid | why go through update-alternatives and do eveyrthign manually |
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| 16:02.28 | ajavid | when aperfectly good fucking script was made to do just that |
| 16:02.31 | adb | bash: update-java-alternative: command not found ,,, |
| 16:02.31 | ajavid | how think are you |
| 16:02.34 | ajavid | ? |
| 16:02.39 | ajavid | thick* |
| 16:03.16 | ajavid | adb, /usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives |
| 16:03.49 | fxiny | Suppermann: whe you want to go back to the official debian java you run : /usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives -a |
| 16:03.57 | adb | yeah missing final `s` |
| 16:03.59 | bheron_ | Any more thoughts on my problem? |
| 16:04.34 | fxiny | Suppermann: which automagically recreates all f* symlinks |
| 16:04.50 | fxiny | and that , is the best part of the trip :) |
| 16:05.26 | ajavid | thank you. |
| 16:05.49 | ajavid | For the most part I know what I'm talking about. :D |
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| 16:06.02 | ajavid | this is the correct java switching command to suggest |
| 16:06.20 | Suppermann | thank you |
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| 16:09.12 | fxiny | ajavid: i know you like reading long lines , here's the etch line from my notes : update-alternatives --install mozilla-javaplugin.so mozilla-javaplugin.so /usr/local/jre1.6.0_03/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
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| 16:09.43 | ircDon | I am having some struggles booting to runlevel 3 (non-graphical). I set /etc/inittab to id:3:initdefault: but I still boot to gdm. What gives? |
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| 16:10.08 | ircDon | Note that it was id:2:initdefault: which also booted to gdm which is odd - I was expected a 5 in there. |
| 16:10.09 | ajavid | fxiny, great, fantastic, awesome |
| 16:10.24 | adb | ircDon: debian don't use runlevels |
| 16:10.32 | ircDon | adb: Doh |
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| 16:10.54 | adb | ircDon: ask sidux ... |
| 16:10.57 | ircDon | adb: I am stuck in the 90s again aren't I? |
| 16:10.58 | ajavid | fxiny, when a noob figure how to do this, then we can discard update-java-alternatives. |
| 16:11.06 | fxiny | ajavid: this is better -> note the 60 in the end : update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /usr/local/jre1.6.0_03/bin/java 60 |
| 16:11.09 | ajavid | fxiny, you're not a noob. |
| 16:11.21 | craigevil | ircDon: you can use sysv-rc-conf and set gdm to not start in run level 3 |
| 16:11.21 | ajavid | fxiny, don't automatically assume everyone knows as much as you |
| 16:11.32 | ircDon | adb: "sidux?" |
| 16:11.44 | adb | nvm ircDon |
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| 16:11.57 | fxiny | ajavid: but a noob can learn how the alternatives system works : is in the man |
| 16:12.09 | ajavid | fxiny, yes, but please advise the correct tool for the job |
| 16:12.33 | ajavid | fxiny, there are many ways to split a melon (is that what they say? melon?) |
| 16:12.36 | abrotman | update-java-alternatives is the correct tool |
| 16:13.02 | nevyn | sure but it doesn't provide a way to tell which jdk is set currently |
| 16:13.02 | fxiny | ajavid: and i can't stand thetune : "a noob is a noob" , anyone can learn provided we share the f* knowledge |
| 16:13.16 | Titan8990 | better official documentation would have ended this argument much quicker |
| 16:13.25 | Suppermann | it's somewhat important for me to have sun-java on this computer as my government requires java for their digital signature implementation |
| 16:13.58 | abrotman | Titan8990: or reading the man page ? |
| 16:14.08 | nevyn | ircDon: 2-5 are all the same out of the box on debian |
| 16:14.16 | ajavid | abrotman, what? read a man page? wtf are you talking about. |
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| 16:14.41 | ircDon | nevyn: Ah OK |
| 16:14.58 | ajavid | wish more people would read the damn docs |
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| 16:15.01 | nevyn | ircDon: you can mess with them as you like |
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| 16:15.20 | ircDon | nevyn: So the runlevel thing - not so much on Debian? How might I accomplish instructing the system to not use gdm and boot to a prompt? |
| 16:15.28 | ajavid | nodm |
| 16:15.30 | ajavid | !nodm |
| 16:15.30 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 16:15.35 | fxiny | the best documentaion is the man |
| 16:15.47 | fxiny | documentation* |
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| 16:15.56 | shylent | hello, people. I had a little question regarding apt-get and aptitude. While I know, that aptitude is superior to apt-get, is it safe to use it alongside apt-get? Will it result in breakage? |
| 16:16.13 | ajavid | shylent, no |
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| 16:16.21 | ajavid | shylent, it will result in possible complications |
| 16:16.21 | abrotman | shylent: it's really best to choose one or the other .. though you should be fine |
| 16:16.23 | Bohemian | does debian support 5.1 sound? |
| 16:16.29 | abrotman | does linux? |
| 16:16.40 | ircDon | Ha, thats embarrassing when a bot knows the answer I couldn't find. |
| 16:16.46 | ajavid | shylent, its best to use aptitude. The problems you may face are removal of some automatically installed packages etc. odd stuff like that) |
| 16:16.49 | shylent | so, if the system was managed by apt-get for a year, I can just say "screw you, apt-get" and start using aptitude? |
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| 16:17.01 | ajavid | shylent, that would be fine |
| 16:17.10 | abrotman | shylent: you can .. though you might want to mark some stuff as auto installed, etc .. |
| 16:17.17 | shylent | hell yeah :) |
| 16:17.46 | Bohemian | abrotman: is that the more appropriate question? i'm on fbsd now |
| 16:17.46 | shylent | well, guess I'll just be doing everything as "aptitude -s stuff", just to make sure it doesn't uninstall some unexpected packages |
| 16:17.55 | ajavid | Bohemian, yes. |
| 16:17.59 | Bohemian | would like 5.1 sound and nvidea support fo 64bit procs, will that work? |
| 16:18.02 | abrotman | Bohemian: it really is .. |
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| 16:18.16 | ajavid | Bohemian, yes and yes |
| 16:18.24 | Bohemian | is it simple to set up? |
| 16:18.31 | ajavid | Bohemian, if you have to ask, no. |
| 16:18.35 | ircDon | Purging gdm complains about dependencies all over gnome land. So I went with false > /etc/X11/default-display-manger |
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| 16:18.41 | Bohemian | how long will it take to install about 10 apps on xfce (OO being the biggest) on debian? |
| 16:18.43 | Bohemian | all day? |
| 16:18.52 | ajavid | ... |
| 16:18.52 | ircDon | Off I go to test. Thanks to the humans and bots who helped. |
| 16:19.15 | ajavid | Bohemian, are you trolling? |
| 16:19.16 | Bohemian | amd64 is what i use for an intel 64 bit proc, just like on fbsd, right? |
| 16:19.19 | Bohemian | ajavid: no |
| 16:19.30 | ajavid | Bohemian, you know it depends on your download speed...? |
| 16:19.33 | Bohemian | is it a matter of net connection with apt_get |
| 16:19.33 | abrotman | Bohemian: depends on the speed of your system and your ISP |
| 16:19.34 | Bohemian | okay |
| 16:20.04 | Bohemian | do i pick amd64 for my arch? |
| 16:20.28 | ajavid | Bohemian, if you have a cpu that support EM64T or an amd64 cpu |
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| 16:20.50 | Titan8990 | abrotman, there is nothing indicated to me that update-java-selections is should be used instead of update-selections from reading the man pages. i would have thought they did the same thing. its not like the useradd man page: useradd is a low level utility for adding users. On Debian, administrators should usually use adduser(8) instead. |
| 16:20.50 | ajavid | Bohemian, which cpu do you have? |
| 16:20.55 | Bohemian | intel e5200 |
| 16:21.03 | ajavid | Bohemian, amd64 |
| 16:21.09 | Bohemian | thanks |
| 16:21.10 | ajavid | Bohemian, this is a core 2 correct? |
| 16:21.23 | ajavid | Bohemian, not jut a 'core duo' but a 'core 2 duo' yes? |
| 16:21.28 | Bohemian | i'm not positive |
| 16:21.31 | Bohemian | how can i tell you? |
| 16:21.34 | ajavid | Bohemian, what does bios report? |
| 16:22.29 | Bohemian | um, is there a way i can tell you that with dmesg? |
| 16:22.58 | ajavid | Bohemian, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:23.07 | ajavid | Bohemian, |grep model |
| 16:23.13 | abrotman | Titan8990: it's the more correct tool i suppose .. it updates all the java related alternatives in a single shot |
| 16:23.13 | Bohemian | no such file |
| 16:23.16 | Bohemian | i'm on fbsd at the moment |
| 16:23.24 | Seb | ajavid: grep model /procu/cpuinfo |
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| 16:23.32 | Bohemian | i used amd64 to install fbsd |
| 16:23.50 | ajavid | Seb, ? |
| 16:23.57 | ajavid | same thing. |
| 16:24.07 | Seb | ajavid: useless use of cat |
| 16:24.08 | fxiny | Suppermann: if some ignorant tells you sun site says this java version is old , so this debian os you are suggesting must be crap , no worries . read update-alternatives man . i'm sure this can happen , java change version every week ;) |
| 16:24.12 | ajavid | Seb, eh. |
| 16:24.20 | Bohemian | so i'm fine? |
| 16:24.30 | ajavid | yes |
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| 16:24.35 | ajavid | just get amd64 |
| 16:24.45 | Bohemian | what apps does linux have available for full disc encryption? |
| 16:24.48 | Bohemian | fbsd uses geli |
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| 16:25.06 | abrotman | !ig |
| 16:25.06 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.2) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 16:25.59 | ajavid | ahhhhh boy |
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| 16:27.42 | Bohemian | that doesn't explain how to do full disc encryption |
| 16:27.50 | Bohemian | can i do that after i install debian, or do i need to do that before? |
| 16:27.57 | beeryourself | does anyone know how to make work qemu on a debian lenny installed on a powerpc ibookg4? |
| 16:28.53 | rudi_s | Bohemian: The easiest way is to do it when installing, just select encrypted LVM and you're done. |
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| 16:30.20 | fxiny | i like cloning it |
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| 16:39.45 | Suppermann | can anyone help me add sun-java6 to netbeans? |
| 16:39.58 | errotan | hi guys. anybody can tell which version of gcc used to make the official packages of lenny ? |
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| 16:43.00 | abrotman | errotan: i believe it's 4.3 |
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| 16:43.10 | shikamaru | hello there |
| 16:43.19 | errotan | but the default compiler in etch is 4.1 |
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| 16:43.32 | abrotman | okay. . and ? |
| 16:43.56 | shikamaru | I've got a little question about vim in testing : it has not the :vs command do you know why? |
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| 16:44.24 | shikamaru | (but it does have the :sp command |
| 16:44.32 | errotan | and i thought they compiled lenny with etch |
| 16:44.35 | nikki93 | I'm having a wireless problem, 'wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801'. |
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| 16:45.36 | errotan | abrotman: i read on some forums that the guideline is that debian developers use gcc version that is stable for 18 months |
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| 16:46.02 | abrotman | errotan: but etch isn't 'stable', etch is 'oldstable' |
| 16:46.20 | firsttimeuser_ | hi...having trouble detecting a external usb harddisk ..... |
| 16:46.23 | firsttimeuser_ | fdisk -l |
| 16:46.32 | firsttimeuser_ | does not list it |
| 16:46.43 | firsttimeuser_ | please help |
| 16:46.44 | errotan | abrotman: but before the release of lenny, etch was the stable ;) |
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| 16:47.09 | errotan | firsttimeuser_: type dmesg |
| 16:47.10 | abrotman | errotan: what problem are you trying to solve ? |
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| 16:47.30 | shikamaru | no vim user here? :o |
| 16:47.51 | errotan | abrotman: i have some depreaced function problems with gcc4.3 |
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| 16:48.02 | hark | shikamaru: install vim |
| 16:48.08 | abrotman | errotan: so fix your code |
| 16:48.21 | abrotman | vim-full ? |
| 16:48.31 | errotan | abrotman: that is not my code ;) and it is a little bit huge code |
| 16:48.40 | shikamaru | hark I did it |
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| 16:48.47 | shikamaru | I had to install vim-runtime too |
| 16:48.50 | abrotman | judd: versions gcc-4.1 |
| 16:48.51 | judd | abrotman: gcc-4.1 -- etch: 4.1.1-21 lenny: 4.1.2-25 sid: 4.1.2-26 squeeze: 4.1.2-26 |
| 16:48.55 | abrotman | lenny still has 4.1 |
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| 16:49.03 | abrotman | shikamaru: vim-full is installed ? |
| 16:49.09 | firsttimeuser_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.09 | firsttimeuser_ | [ 2004.695099] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
| 16:49.09 | firsttimeuser_ | [ 2009.692336] usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 16:49.10 | firsttimeuser_ | [ 2016.100112] usb 1-7: USB disconnect, address 9 |
| 16:49.10 | firsttimeuser_ | [ 2016.101492] scsi 7:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery |
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| 16:49.13 | shikamaru | hmm maybe not |
| 16:49.16 | errotan | abrotman: i know, i'm just courius |
| 16:49.34 | hark | shikamaru: vim would pull in vim-runtime |
| 16:50.06 | shikamaru | hmm well I had to install it manually though |
| 16:50.19 | Bilbo_Baggins | Did you have this problem with etch? If not, why upset a good thing? :) |
| 16:50.23 | shikamaru | there's no vim-full in testing apparently |
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| 16:50.51 | firsttimeuser_ | sorry .....i missed reading instructions |
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| 16:50.58 | errotan | firsttimeuser_: use pastebin.org to post large text's |
| 16:51.27 | yangp | I am wondering how I can purge the database of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:51.35 | shikamaru | hmm ok let's see with vim |
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| 16:51.57 | shikamaru | that's it thanks hark :) |
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| 16:52.57 | errotan | abrotman: i will post my question on linuxquestion.org maybe somebody knows for sure, but thanks for your help. |
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| 16:53.27 | abrotman | doesn't see the problem ... |
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| 16:53.49 | firsttimeuser_ | http://pastebin.org/9245 |
| 16:53.50 | rafuch0 | lil joh s style WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT |
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| 16:54.55 | errotan | firsttimeuser_: your pendrive is either not supported (not likely) or your usb slot doesn't connect right |
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| 16:55.05 | leejongwook | hi :) |
| 16:55.26 | abrotman | firsttimeuser_: uname -a .. says what ? |
| 16:55.44 | leejongwook | what is fastest way to install debian ? take too long time when it detects hardwares |
| 16:56.00 | errotan | firsttimeuser_: did you plugged in your pendrive directly to your mainboard ? |
| 16:56.11 | leejongwook | takes about an hour to re-install my debian :P |
| 16:56.31 | firsttimeuser_ | yes |
| 16:56.32 | Titan8990 | leejongwook, netisnt, select no package sets |
| 16:56.40 | leejongwook | but i need gnome :) |
| 16:56.53 | shikamaru | leejongwook: you can still install it later ;) |
| 16:56.56 | errotan | firsttimeuser_: what is your pendrive's type ? |
| 16:57.01 | leejongwook | it also takes too much @_@ |
| 16:57.06 | themill | errotan: packages are compiled with whatever the current gcc is in sid when they are uploaded to sid. Packages that haven't been updated for years could be compiled with quite old versions of gcc then while others will have been compiled with the exact gcc that you have in lenny. The distribution is supposed to be self-hosting not hosted in old-stable. |
| 16:57.11 | leejongwook | wonder why it detect cd-rom again |
| 16:57.15 | mmoeller | how can I restore my grub mbr (to boot again into debian/win) after windows 7 installer has overwritten my grub mbr? Is there a way to boot into my debian partition (without grub mbr)? |
| 16:57.23 | shikamaru | leejongwook: then get a faster internet connection :p |
| 16:57.24 | firsttimeuser_ | smartdrive 2.5 hdd enclosure |
| 16:57.31 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 16:58.05 | errotan | themill: thank you for the definite answer. |
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| 16:58.30 | errotan | i'm searched for this for a weak now |
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| 16:58.47 | leejongwook | shika ? |
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| 16:58.52 | leejongwook | who is shika ? a singer ? |
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| 17:00.09 | errotan | firsttimeuser_: maybe you have to get a newer kernel what does uname -a gives ? |
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| 17:00.33 | firsttimeuser_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.09 | craigevil | firsttimeuser_: thats an ubuntu kernel not a debian kernel |
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| 17:01.27 | firsttimeuser_ | Linux kubuntu 2.6.28-14-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Sat Jul 25 00:28:35 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:01.45 | firsttimeuser_ | that is right |
| 17:02.14 | craigevil | !ubuntu |
| 17:02.14 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 17:03.01 | abrotman | firsttimeuser_: please go to #kubuntu for support |
| 17:03.09 | firsttimeuser_ | ok got it ......planning to migrate to debian |
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| 17:04.12 | firsttimeuser_ | but problem is not seeing new packages like kde 4.2 etc in debian |
| 17:04.24 | cryptoD | use debian sid :P |
| 17:04.26 | ma3x | hello is the order of the wires in ethernet cable important? or they can be in any order and the same on the other end for a straight cable? |
| 17:04.29 | cryptoD | !sid |
| 17:04.29 | dpkg | well, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 17:04.39 | ma3x | is it important to follow a certain scheme or you can choose your own scheme as long as it's the same on both ends? |
| 17:05.00 | abrotman | cryptoD: do NOT tell people to do that |
| 17:05.11 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 17:05.16 | craigevil | firsttimeuser_: kde4.2 is in testing |
| 17:05.25 | bzed | cryptoD: especially not when the're asking such questions. |
| 17:05.25 | peterrooney | ma3x: yes, the order is freakishly important. |
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| 17:05.54 | cryptoD | ma3x: all cables are of the same type |
| 17:05.59 | firsttimeuser_ | ok |
| 17:06.07 | firsttimeuser_ | thanks all for your time |
| 17:06.08 | ma3x | but the wires inside don't matter, right? |
| 17:06.08 | cryptoD | ma3x: so ,you can use your own schema |
| 17:06.11 | firsttimeuser_ | :-) |
| 17:06.15 | peterrooney | ma3x: there's a well defined color order for a reason. |
| 17:06.34 | simonrvn | ma3x: there's probably thousands of charts you can find on google images |
| 17:06.37 | ma3x | so i can't choose my own schema? |
| 17:06.42 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:06.43 | abrotman | ma3x: you can, you sohuld not |
| 17:06.43 | peterrooney | ma3x: you will regret it later if you decide to roll your own colour scheme |
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| 17:07.00 | abrotman | ma3x: ask #networking if you want clarification |
| 17:07.25 | cryptoD | ma3x: there are good image tutorials on google |
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| 17:07.50 | ma3x | i followed this order: white orange, orange, white green, blue, white blue, green, white brown, brown |
| 17:07.56 | peterrooney | ma3x: you may well feel like murdering yourself seven months from now, and what's more, a lot of folk in #networking would have sympathy if they were on the jury. |
| 17:08.00 | ma3x | it worked |
| 17:08.01 | abrotman | ma3x: this is not a Debian problem |
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| 17:08.16 | ma3x | i just wonder would it work if i did 1357248 instead of 12345678 |
| 17:08.29 | ma3x | ok shifting to #networking |
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| 17:08.45 | peterrooney | abrotman: yeah, but if he uses this cable he might not be able to get around to asking his actual debian question ! |
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| 17:08.56 | jchillerup | Hello, is it possible to do IP masquerading without running a DHCP server? |
| 17:09.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:09.12 | jchillerup | (I'm trying to share a 3G connection) |
| 17:09.24 | simonrvn | of course it is |
| 17:09.28 | jchillerup | People get IPs automagically over the ad-hoc network |
| 17:09.43 | jchillerup | then I start ipmasq (which should configure itself, no?) and it doesn't seem to work |
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| 17:10.07 | comradekingu | ma3x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_cable#Ethernet_over_twisted-pair_cable |
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| 17:10.15 | peterrooney | jchillerup: why should ipmasq configure itself? |
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| 17:10.49 | jchillerup | because it's rather easy for a program to determine if some interface has connection to the internet, and which one hasn't |
| 17:10.50 | Mazingaro | I got this using my camera (it worked before reinstalling lenny from squeeze) Could not read file Could not claim the USB device. |
| 17:11.55 | Enselic | On this page I can download the gtk-doc-tool .deb, but where can I get the source packages? http://packages.debian.org/sv/sid/gtk-doc-tools |
| 17:12.30 | peterrooney | jchillerup: yes, but it's also easy for one or more interfaces on a system to have numerous IP addresses. thus there is no sane way to have it `configure itself' |
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| 17:13.12 | peterrooney | jchillerup: actually, s/yes,but/ /no, but/ |
| 17:13.57 | peterrooney | an interface with an IP address may or may not be connected to the internet, depending on its routing table and what gateways it might be attached to further down the line. |
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| 17:15.29 | jchillerup | peterrooney: yeah ok |
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| 17:17.45 | jchillerup | peterrooney: do you know which of the files I need to alter? |
| 17:17.52 | jchillerup | (to specify which interfaces it should use) |
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| 17:19.47 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 17:26.16 | shikamaru | \o/ I finally have my favorite wm back on debian-ppc :) |
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| 17:32.11 | Hoxzer | >:( |
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| 17:32.59 | deface | adb, thanks, i just went ahead and upgraded all to sid, working now |
| 17:33.19 | Bohemian | rudi_s: you still here? |
| 17:34.15 | action09 | i don't find a new kernel while dist-upgrade on lenny due to DSA-1862-1 |
| 17:34.28 | abrotman | action09: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 17:36.23 | Bohemian | does dhcp work with debian? |
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| 17:37.07 | action09 | abrotman hi ! http://paste.debian.net/44300/ |
| 17:37.31 | abrotman | Bohemian: uh .. yeha |
| 17:37.51 | Bohemian | sry i'm from a fbsd background and odnt know much about debian oterh than my vps i have |
| 17:37.59 | abrotman | action09: what is your current kernel ? |
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| 17:38.59 | Bohemian | does debian have a hardened kernel? |
| 17:39.02 | action09 | abrotman uname -a : Linux X2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 18:08:45 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:39.03 | Bohemian | that i can select during install? |
| 17:39.04 | abrotman | !harden |
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| 17:39.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, harden is D:SbD or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ or ask me about <security> <security backports> <tracker of doom> |
| 17:39.08 | Bohemian | thx |
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| 17:39.14 | abrotman | action09: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
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| 17:39.29 | kjoonlee | hi |
| 17:39.47 | action09 | abrotman linux-image-2.6.26-2-686{a} linux-image-686 are going to be installed |
| 17:39.51 | abrotman | good job |
| 17:40.02 | action09 | abrotman and yes inside: 2.6.26-17lenny2 |
| 17:41.05 | racecar56 | i'm using debian sid with kde 4.3 and i get this error on the printer config settings thing: "The service 'Printer Configuration' does not provide an interface 'KCModule' with keyword 'system-config-printer-kde/system-config-printer-kde.py' The factory does not support creating compnents of the specified type." |
| 17:41.06 | action09 | abrotman thanks for your answer, i dunno what i did, or what i installed, it's the "official" way to install last kernel ... by installing linux-image-686 i suppose ? |
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| 17:42.14 | abrotman | action09: it's a metapackage that always points at the latest kernel package |
| 17:42.23 | action09 | # aptitude show linux-image-686 yes it say so.. thanks abrotman :) |
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| 17:42.39 | abrotman | action09: don't forget you have to reboot to start using the new kernel |
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| 17:43.14 | syslq78_ | Open source flash movie maker? |
| 17:43.19 | syslq78_ | Is there such thing |
| 17:43.22 | abrotman | !pal syslq78_ |
| 17:43.22 | dpkg | points at syslq78_ and laughs |
| 17:43.40 | abrotman | syslq78_: though you could use SVG instead |
| 17:43.55 | action09 | abrotman yes thanks i need to install also loop-aes-modules-2.6.26-2-686 and regenerate the initrams.. i dunno how |
| 17:44.04 | syslq78_ | I need to build flash slide show for web site |
| 17:44.08 | abrotman | it should do it magically i'd think |
| 17:44.15 | abrotman | no one needs to use flash .. |
| 17:44.15 | syslq78_ | What's funny about that |
| 17:44.25 | syslq78_ | abrotman: retarded bye |
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| 17:44.47 | rudi_s | Bohemian: Yes. |
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| 17:45.16 | Bohemian | rudi_s: where is the LKM spot when i go to partition the drives? |
| 17:45.42 | rudi_s | Bohemian: Guided partition with encrypted LVM in the partition dialog. |
| 17:45.53 | Bohemian | rudi_s: should i encrypt swap or just / ? |
| 17:46.19 | rudi_s | Bohemian: If you "Guided partitioning with encrypted LVM" everything except /boot is encrypted. |
| 17:46.25 | action09 | abrotman any clue to regenerate the initramfs please ? |
| 17:46.34 | abrotman | action09: it should already do it |
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| 17:46.36 | Bohemian | rudi_s: okay, when i get to it, i'll make sure i do it right |
| 17:47.05 | Titan8990 | Bohemian, you typically don't want to encrypt / |
| 17:47.33 | Bohemian | rudi_s: is it guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted lvm or guided - use entire disk and set up lvm ? |
| 17:47.41 | Bohemian | Titan8990: why not? |
| 17:47.50 | rudi_s | Bohemian: Encrypted LVM. |
| 17:48.16 | action09 | abrotman during install it say no beacause of the loop-aes modules not in the kernel, so i installed loop-aes-modules-2.6.26-2-686 and doing now 'update-initramfs -u', i'm going to reboot to see |
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| 17:48.27 | action09 | s/kernel/image.. |
| 17:48.36 | Titan8990 | Bohemian, /boot needs to be unencrypted, and there are a lot of dirs such as /bin /sbin /usr that serve no purpose to be encrypted |
| 17:48.55 | Titan8990 | Bohemian, much easier just to set it up on like /var and /home partitions |
| 17:49.10 | rudi_s | There is only problem with the installer, if you want to resize the partitions you have to do it completetely manually (manual partition) and then create /boot and an encrypted part, then an LVM on the encrypted part and the volumes /, /tmp, /usr, /var, /home, etc ... |
| 17:49.14 | rudi_s | Bohemian: ^ |
| 17:49.15 | Bohemian | i didn't create a home partition. should i exit the installer and redo it with a home partition Titan8990 ? |
| 17:49.45 | rudi_s | Bohemian: No, if you're happy with one partition use it. |
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| 17:50.06 | Bohemian | but will it leave / unencrypted, rudi_s ? |
| 17:50.10 | Bohemian | i don't want to run into problems |
| 17:50.33 | rudi_s | Bohemian: If you selected guided - encrypted LVM everything except /boot will be encrypted. |
| 17:50.44 | Titan8990 | Bohemian, it is your decision which scheme you want to go with, i am just suggesting |
| 17:50.52 | fxiny | Bohemian: encrypt everything but boot . make /boot ext2 |
| 17:50.53 | Bohemian | so /boot = / ? |
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| 17:51.02 | Titan8990 | rudi_s, i'm pretty sure it doesn't make / encrypted or part of the lvm |
| 17:51.05 | Bohemian | okay, but the guide does that automatically? or ext3? |
| 17:51.09 | walery | hi |
| 17:51.23 | rudi_s | Bohemian: No, /boot is seperate from / with this setup. |
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| 17:51.32 | deus___ | fxiny: why ext2? |
| 17:51.36 | walery | anybody know what "nvidia: no symbol version for module_layout" means? |
| 17:51.37 | Bohemian | so i've encrypted / ? rudi_s ? |
| 17:51.45 | walery | from dmesg |
| 17:51.46 | rudi_s | Titan8990: If you choose guided - encrypted lvm everything is encrypted except /boot, /, /var, etc. |
| 17:51.46 | fxiny | deus___: no need for a journal |
| 17:51.56 | rudi_s | Bohemian: Yes. |
| 17:52.03 | rudi_s | (If you chose guided - encrypted LVM) |
| 17:52.11 | Bohemian | rudi_s: and that's not a good idea? |
| 17:52.33 | rudi_s | Bohemian: I think it is, others may differ. I work with this setup and it works well. |
| 17:52.47 | Titan8990 | deus___, ext2 is commonly used for /boot because journaling is typically not needed on such a small partition |
| 17:53.03 | fxiny | small ? |
| 17:53.03 | deus___ | Oh I see, thanks for the hint, didn't know that. |
| 17:53.07 | fxiny | is not that |
| 17:53.32 | deus___ | I keep on learning every day. ;-) |
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| 17:53.48 | cryptoD | why does the dist-upgrade want to install apache when its not installed on the actual system ? |
| 17:53.48 | Titan8990 | fxiny, it doesn't contain much and does not often change |
| 17:54.07 | Bohemian | Titan8990: you'd recomend i redo my partition map and just encrypt /home ? |
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| 17:54.34 | Titan8990 | Bohemian, i recommend just using guided lvm encrypted |
| 17:54.38 | fxiny | deus___: your kernel is loaded , there is nothing you read/write in /boot after booting |
| 17:54.39 | Bohemian | ok |
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| 17:55.08 | rudi_s | Titan8990: But that encrypts everthing (including /) except /boot. |
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| 17:57.19 | Titan8990 | rudi_s, it will work |
| 17:57.43 | Tchaka | hello, To install the ati no-free driver on debian squeeze with kernel 2.6.30, do I have to uninstall xserver-xorg-video-radeon and server-xorg-video-ati package? |
| 17:57.48 | bullgard | Where can I find a definition for "provides" in dpkg? As used for example in http://vmlinux.org/cgi-bin/dwww?type=runman&location=dpkg-gencontrol/1 |
| 17:58.17 | rudi_s | Titan8990: I know (i'm using it), but I don't get your point about not encrypting /. |
| 17:58.28 | Titan8990 | Tchaka, no, but you need to configure xorg.conf |
| 17:59.17 | iddo | when i do apt-get install somepkg, can i make it always ask me if i'm sure? |
| 17:59.46 | rudi_s | !why aptitude |
| 17:59.46 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 17:59.48 | deus___ | fxiny: thanks for the info. |
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| 18:00.57 | MrWax | I like to execute a command (creating a screen session) for a certain user on my debian system when debian boots, is there a way i can do this? |
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| 18:01.40 | iddo | rudi_s: thats the only answer i'll get here?:) |
| 18:01.59 | Tchaka | Titan8990, hi, actually I have somr trouble to install the fglrx. This command is returning errors m-a a-i fglrx -> http://pastebin.com/m52c6b7a9 |
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| 18:02.49 | donkeyofdarkness | :( |
| 18:03.12 | fxiny | i'm using a full LUKS encrypted lenny . no LVM , four partitions /boot / /home and swap , one pass at boot . the installer does a great joub but say you already have a nice system running , and you don't feel to reinstall and redo all the settings again , right ? wear a lateral thinking hat : set the encrytion layer up and clone your fine unencrypted system over . yes you must read some documentation |
| 18:03.26 | racecar56 | ok so i got cups to work, and the test page works, so what do i do to get firefox to be able to print to cups |
| 18:04.17 | donkeyofdarkness | file> print |
| 18:04.45 | racecar56 | donkeyofdarkness: i dont see anything in the list ._. |
| 18:04.52 | donkeyofdarkness | :( |
| 18:05.13 | donkeyofdarkness | I think it's trying to tell you that paper is overrated |
| 18:05.26 | donkeyofdarkness | It wants you to buy a smartphone and put documents on that |
| 18:05.30 | iddo | when i do aptitude install somepkg, can i make it always ask me if i'm sure? |
| 18:06.03 | racecar56 | that's not helpfuk |
| 18:06.04 | racecar56 | *ful |
| 18:06.09 | donkeyofdarkness | :( |
| 18:06.27 | racecar56 | searches internet for finding ways of getting firefox to work with cups |
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| 18:07.30 | racecar56 | -.- slow internet |
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| 18:09.30 | racecar56 | i don't want to use windoze to print, what do i do about this |
| 18:10.30 | abrotman | try another browser on linux ? |
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| 18:11.03 | racecar56 | no, it's not the browser, it's my terrible internet |
| 18:11.04 | KC | firefox works fine with cups for me, hmm |
| 18:11.23 | racecar56 | is there anything you are supposed to do after adding the printer in cups setup |
| 18:11.32 | racecar56 | ya know, localhost:631 |
| 18:12.07 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:12.09 | KC | i dunno, it just worked for me. |
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| 18:12.33 | racecar56 | i think it would be stupid to reboot as this isn't windows |
| 18:12.41 | racecar56 | i could try though |
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| 18:13.26 | Mazingaro_ | hi |
| 18:13.34 | racecar56 | Mazingaro_: hi |
| 18:13.49 | Tchaka | as I have a german keyboard, how can I switch qwerty to qwertz ? |
| 18:14.05 | Mazingaro_ | I got a problem with digikam + finepix f480: Could not claim for usb device |
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| 18:15.33 | racecar56 | not even a reboot helps -_- |
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| 18:16.03 | racecar56 | isn't there something i have to do after adding the printer in cups setup? |
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| 18:18.29 | Mazingaro_ | I got a problem with digikam + finepix f480: Could not claim for usb device, root can open it |
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| 18:20.47 | cahoot | Mazingaro_: you are member of plugdev group? id <user> would tell |
| 18:21.13 | Mazingaro_ | cahoot: yes |
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| 18:22.04 | swellie | I'm having trouble getting my ipod touch to work with debian. i've tried gtkPod, hipo, and other similar packages, but none of them seem to work with the iPod touch |
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| 18:23.08 | racecar56 | cups is driving me nuts, i'll use windoze |
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| 18:23.39 | Mazingaro | cahoot: any idea? |
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| 18:24.17 | cahoot | Mazingaro: if root can access it it must be a permissions matter |
| 18:24.17 | Mazingaro | cahoot: is there a usb group too? |
| 18:24.33 | Mazingaro | cahoot: as I stated? But where? udev rules? |
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| 18:25.00 | cahoot | Mazingaro: what doe lsusb say abot the cam? |
| 18:25.14 | Mazingaro | Bus 003 Device 006: ID 04cb:01dc Fuji Photo Film Co., Ltd |
| 18:26.24 | Mazingaro | cahoot: kde shows its icon, but cannot mount it |
| 18:26.31 | cahoot | Mazingaro: and what are the perms on /dev/bus/usb/003/006 ? |
| 18:26.53 | Mazingaro | crw-rw-r-- |
| 18:27.01 | Mazingaro | root |
| 18:27.05 | Mazingaro | vboxusers |
| 18:27.06 | Mazingaro | lol |
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| 18:27.42 | cahoot | is this ubuntu? |
| 18:27.51 | Mazingaro | cahoot: no lenny |
| 18:28.28 | cahoot | Mazingaro: I'd take a look at the udev rule |
| 18:29.03 | Mazingaro | cahoot: no wait! The device is assigned to vboxusers group, my user isn't in it |
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| 18:29.53 | Mazingaro | see you later I'm logging off |
| 18:29.53 | cahoot | Mazingaro: 025_libgphoto2.rules sets camera group to vboxusers? |
| 18:29.59 | Mazingaro | no |
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| 18:30.03 | Mazingaro | cahoot: no! |
| 18:31.12 | Mazingaro | cahoot: virtualbox (not the ose version) claims usb for itself, so usb people must be in vboxusers group! Maybe! |
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| 18:33.25 | Mazingaro | cahoot: it is working |
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| 18:38.25 | Arimoto | Where can I view the control files for debian packages online? I want to check if my section is right in one that I'm creating, but I don't have a running debian machine. |
| 18:39.09 | deface | sources ? |
| 18:40.06 | chellomere | Arimoto, the source of the control files is inside the .diff.gz |
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| 18:40.53 | Arimoto | Ok, thanks. I'm not really that familiar with debian packages. |
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| 18:44.34 | pbn | Hi, when I try to install flashplugin-nonfree on Debian testing, aptitude says: The following packages will be REMOVED: flashplayer-mozilla{a} ia32-libs-gtk{u} ia32-libs-libcurl3{u} ia32-libs-libidn11{u} ia32-libs-libnspr4{u} ia32-libs-libnss3{u} ia32-libs-libssh2{u} lib32nss-mdns{u} nspluginwrapper{u} Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] ... should I proceed ? |
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| 18:45.59 | action09 | i've a .tar.gz with soft sources, how can i mkae easily a .deb ? |
| 18:46.01 | action09 | thanks |
| 18:46.35 | raphi | action09: unpack it, cd to the dir, ./configure, make, checkinstall |
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| 18:47.03 | action09 | raphi ah yes it was exactly checkinstall i was searchnig for.. thanks ! |
| 18:47.09 | raphi | np |
| 18:47.52 | abrotman | !mg |
| 18:47.52 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) "www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
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| 18:52.38 | Arimoto | wow, making debian packages isn't even that hard! |
| 18:52.59 | adfasdf | that's what she said |
| 18:53.43 | Arimoto | sometimes I say stuff that sounds like it's from a commercial |
| 18:54.30 | raphi | abrotman: do you also have a guide or something to look at when I want to do a 'non-maintainer' upload? |
| 18:54.34 | adfasdf | yeah i like to use that innuendo when it makes no sense at all |
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| 18:56.09 | abrotman | raphi: /msg dpkg mentors |
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| 19:13.35 | racecar56 | how do i get firefox the ability to print to cups |
| 19:14.02 | thneed | anyone here familiar with samba configuration, not getting much help in #samba? |
| 19:15.36 | deface | thneed: whatcha got |
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| 19:16.13 | MrWax | Any idea how come when I add a line in crontab for my user @reboot the command (screen session) starts in /bin/sh in stead of /bin/bash? |
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| 19:16.31 | thneed | deface: http://pastebin.com/m39057ad3 |
| 19:17.17 | thneed | smbclient -L yourhostname |
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| 19:17.27 | thneed | will not recognize |
| 19:17.35 | thneed | and there is no man smbclient |
| 19:17.40 | southernc | so im trying to get bsd to actually boot ive got disk ad12 which is the first disk so what should my 0:ad12(0,a)kernel ? |
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| 19:19.47 | thneed | deface: was missing package..., I got it now |
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| 19:21.19 | deface | aight |
| 19:21.40 | thneed | deface: everytime I apt-get install smbclient, it fails is there a place I can get it from? |
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| 19:23.28 | deface | why is it failing ? |
| 19:23.32 | deface | error msg ? |
| 19:23.56 | deface | samba-common |
| 19:24.24 | racecar56 | O_o kwrite and all the kde apps seem to know my printer but firefox won't D: |
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| 19:26.05 | deface | racecar56: firefox uses the same print dialog as every other app |
| 19:26.16 | deface | ctrl+p |
| 19:26.52 | racecar56 | deface: not really |
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| 19:27.15 | deface | does for everyone in this channel .. except you :( |
| 19:27.18 | thneed | deface: it is failing to fetch from server |
| 19:27.25 | racecar56 | deface: firefox is gnome/gtk style but my kde/qt style apps see it fine |
| 19:27.27 | deface | fetch what ? |
| 19:27.35 | thneed | deface: smbclient |
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| 19:27.47 | deface | samba-common |
| 19:28.05 | thneed | ah, didn't see that |
| 19:28.28 | thneed | deface: already newest version |
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| 19:30.07 | deface | thneed: smbclient is part of samba-common, which is pulled in w/ samba |
| 19:30.22 | deface | /usr/bin/smbclient |
| 19:32.07 | thneed | no such directory |
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| 19:32.34 | jpcooper | hello |
| 19:33.23 | thneed | deface: I wonder why it's not there |
| 19:33.25 | thrashold | What's the difference between hunspell and myspell, and given that both are conflicting with each other, which dictionaries should I choose? |
| 19:33.36 | jpcooper | I'm on a T60, and it using an in-built intel graphics card. I get bad frame-rates when scrolling and when dragging windows. I don't have the same problems on Windows. Could anyone tell me how this could be solved? |
| 19:33.45 | jpcooper | uses* |
| 19:33.46 | deface | thneed: remove it and reinstall |
| 19:33.59 | thrashold | I see that hunspell has been forked off myspell, but would hunspell dictionaries be compatible with OpenOffice.org without installing anything additional? |
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| 19:36.09 | Agiofws | hello |
| 19:36.09 | Dominicus | Is there any way to tell Debian to not upgrade to the latest kernel available in a repository, unless other packages tat specifically provide kernel modules for that kernel version are available? On another system, it updated the linux kernel to 2.6.30-1-686, and there isn't an nvidia source available to even manually generate a kernel from (it fails to compile every time). |
| 19:36.52 | abrotman | !hold |
| 19:36.53 | dpkg | it has been said that hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why ... |
| 19:37.23 | thneed | deface: cannot install now that it is removed, it keeps failing to fetch, where is a server that I can get it from? |
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| 19:38.26 | Agiofws | ok i had etch i tried to watch Youtube with iceweasel ; i upgraded Etch ; i intsalled adobes flash player manually and via apt-get result == 0 ; then the told me to upgrade to LEnny so i did this but i still Can't watch Flash or flv from iceweasel ... can someone help me please ? |
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| 19:38.34 | Dominicus | lavishly praises abrotman. |
| 19:38.53 | \amethyst | thrashold: the dependencies of the openoffice.org package seem to say "yes" |
| 19:39.12 | Agiofws | abrotman, if you are here i'd like some help ? |
| 19:39.20 | abrotman | Agiofws: ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 19:39.30 | \amethyst | thrashold: Suggests: hunspell-dictionary |
| 19:40.25 | Dominicus | abrotman: What exavtly is the point of the contents of the /etc/alternatives folder? |
| 19:40.58 | thneed | does anyone know the address of the Colorado University Debian Mirrors? |
| 19:41.00 | thrashold | \amethyst, thanks |
| 19:41.08 | deface | thneed: can you apt-get update ? |
| 19:41.12 | thneed | or where to find it, google is failing me |
| 19:41.16 | thneed | deface: yes |
| 19:41.17 | deface | your failing to contact server .. check your internet |
| 19:41.54 | Agiofws | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 2009-08-15 21:50 /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so <-- abrotman ? |
| 19:41.57 | thneed | deface: check it? |
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| 19:42.26 | abrotman | Agiofws: does that file exist ? |
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| 19:42.36 | abrotman | Agiofws: file /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so |
| 19:42.37 | Dominicus | gets the feeling that abrotman is very VERY popular on IRC. |
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| 19:42.48 | Agiofws | yes as i shoed you its a link soft link ? |
| 19:42.55 | \amethyst | Dominicus: so that different packages can provide versions of the same interface and same filename, without requiring them to conflict or to divert one another's files. man update-alternatives explains more |
| 19:42.58 | thneed | I am definitely online right now |
| 19:42.59 | Agiofws | wait |
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| 19:43.19 | Agiofws | /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 19:43.20 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 19:43.50 | Dominicus | \amethyst: That's pretty sweet. Thanks for the pointer to more info. |
| 19:43.58 | abrotman | Agiofws: are you on amd64 or i386 ? |
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| 19:44.57 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.10 | abrotman | Agiofws: what is the md5sum of that file ? |
| 19:46.16 | thneed | deface: I think the server I use for packages is down, is there one at Colorado University or somewhere near it for debian packages? |
| 19:47.51 | Agiofws | lapi:/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla# md5sum libflashplayer.so |
| 19:47.52 | Agiofws | e7458ecc72d521ff8e0d7670f0b55c1b libflashplayer.so |
| 19:48.03 | Agiofws | abrotman, ^^ |
| 19:48.42 | abrotman | Agiofws: make sure that's the flash 10 you installed manually |
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| 19:49.11 | Agiofws | http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ from there ? |
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| 19:49.40 | abrotman | sure |
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| 19:50.46 | deface | thneed: what are your sources ? |
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| 19:51.29 | thneed | deface: http://pastebin.com/m35711051 |
| 19:51.41 | Agiofws | abrotman, lapi:/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla# tar xvzf install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz |
| 19:51.42 | Agiofws | libflashplayer.so |
| 19:51.53 | Agiofws | lapi:/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla# ls |
| 19:51.54 | Agiofws | install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz libflashplayer.so libflashplayer.soBB |
| 19:51.55 | Agiofws | ok ? |
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| 19:53.00 | deface | thneed: yeah, you need a main source |
| 19:53.05 | Agiofws | Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player. |
| 19:53.11 | abrotman | and then you need to copy that libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so |
| 19:53.13 | Agiofws | whats wrong ? |
| 19:53.16 | deface | Agiofws: quit w/ the walk through |
| 19:53.27 | Agiofws | lol :) |
| 19:53.41 | deface | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 19:54.07 | abrotman | Agiofws: you have to shut down all your browser instances after you copy the file in there |
| 19:54.08 | thneed | deface: you mean I am missing deb http://whatever. main? |
| 19:54.19 | Agiofws | abrotman, did that |
| 19:54.19 | abrotman | deface: we tried that already |
| 19:54.30 | Agiofws | cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/ ? |
| 19:54.35 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 19:54.40 | nsadmin | did he quit the browser after? |
| 19:54.59 | Agiofws | lol |
| 19:55.08 | Agiofws | i have already done that |
| 19:55.16 | nsadmin | I know, capn obvious here... but I had to ask :) |
| 19:55.22 | Agiofws | its already copied |
| 19:55.32 | Agiofws | what else ? |
| 19:55.46 | abrotman | about:plugins |
| 19:56.03 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 19:56.59 | Agiofws | i have 2 flash players i donbt know why |
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| 19:57.24 | abrotman | i thought you removed that |
| 19:57.35 | thneed | thneed: ? |
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| 19:57.42 | Agiofws | conflict ? apt-get remove ? |
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| 19:58.43 | thneed | deface: so what source would this main be? |
| 19:59.10 | Agiofws | apt-get remove libflash-mozplugin ? |
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| 20:00.53 | Agiofws | abrotman, and all thank you |
| 20:00.56 | deface | thneed: http://pastebin.com/m2aab171c |
| 20:01.06 | Agiofws | due to this i upgraded everything ... |
| 20:01.09 | Agiofws | :) |
| 20:02.09 | abrotman | does that mean it works ? |
| 20:02.37 | Agiofws | abrotman, yes |
| 20:02.44 | Agiofws | i uninstalled the swf thing |
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| 20:04.49 | thneed | deface: thanks for the repos, but samba-common still does not have smbclient |
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| 20:06.18 | kchr | thneed, isn't smbclient packaged in samba-tools? |
| 20:06.41 | thneed | perhaps? will check |
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| 20:07.48 | thneed | kchr: not in mine |
| 20:08.47 | abrotman | you can use apt-file to find it |
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| 20:09.36 | rodiguim | when I try to mount xfat it print (mount: unknown filesystem type 'fatx') can anyone help me with this |
| 20:09.44 | adb | apt-cache search smbclient , says : smbclient - a LanManager-like simple client for Unix |
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| 20:10.58 | o2T7 | `find -not -iname ".svn"` will not match the dirs named ".svn", but will match the files under ".svn" dirs. Do you know any `find` flag for not recursively checking specific directories? |
| 20:11.38 | nium-_ | Does the Debian live-cd include an application to make a usb live-disk that can be used to run a netinstall to a HDD? |
| 20:11.39 | Bohemian | how long does a full disc encrypt of a 750GB drive take during install? |
| 20:11.43 | Bohemian | it's been running two hours |
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| 20:12.33 | adb | Bohemian: > 24 h ? |
| 20:13.09 | Bohemian | damn |
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| 20:14.54 | Bohemian | it's half done now |
| 20:14.58 | Bohemian | hopefully it doesn't slow down |
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| 20:18.34 | nium-_ | Again.. is there a debian netinst package for usb disks? |
| 20:19.59 | adb | dpkg: tell nium-_ -about usb install |
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| 20:21.52 | deface | thneed: smbclient is a package as well .. ha |
| 20:22.32 | thneed | deface: hardyharhar |
| 20:22.44 | thneed | deface: lol still fails to fetch |
| 20:23.28 | abrotman | you can't get the smbclient package ? |
| 20:23.32 | abrotman | judd: versions smbclient |
| 20:23.34 | judd | abrotman: smbclient -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1 lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny2 lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny6 squeeze: 2:3.3.4-1 lenny-backports: 2:3.3.6-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2:3.4.0-2+b1 |
| 20:23.42 | abrotman | do you have a security sourced ? |
| 20:23.44 | abrotman | source |
| 20:23.54 | nium-_ | adb, should one download the "ia-64" version if one wants to run in 64-bits under an intel core 2 duo? |
| 20:24.01 | nium-_ | Or is that only for the itanium processors? |
| 20:24.22 | adb | dpkg: tell thneed -about sources |
| 20:24.23 | thneed | um... |
| 20:24.25 | abrotman | yes .. just for itanium |
| 20:24.44 | adb | nium-_: amd64 |
| 20:24.47 | nium-_ | gotcha. |
| 20:24.49 | nium-_ | ty. |
| 20:25.32 | thneed | http://pastebin.com/m3a562957 |
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| 20:27.30 | deface | thneed: did u apt-get update after changes sources ? |
| 20:28.18 | thneed | failed to download again, wtf!? |
| 20:28.20 | adb | thneed: squeeze has no volatile repos .. |
| 20:28.29 | thneed | ah |
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| 20:29.36 | adb | thneed: take a look at > http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/ |
| 20:29.53 | abrotman | and you should probably be tracking squeeze, not testing |
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| 20:30.36 | thneed | I am thoroughly confused, why can I not find a source for squeeze packages that will work? |
| 20:30.40 | thneed | I have tried 3 |
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| 20:31.30 | Glax | showmount -e should show all your exported nfs mounts on a nfs server correct ? |
| 20:31.35 | thneed | can someone just show me where I can get the packages? |
| 20:31.39 | Glax | even if they're not in us |
| 20:31.43 | Glax | use* |
| 20:32.37 | Agiofws | if i want to upgrade lenny do i just do apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 20:34.43 | abrotman | i thought you already did ? |
| 20:35.00 | thneed | adb: I see volatile is misplaced, I have already tried commenting it out and removing it...but I still need repos for squeeze that actually work |
| 20:35.08 | thneed | does anyone know where they are? |
| 20:36.02 | minsa | my internet connection is slow whenever I booted linux.. I have check "ifconfig" and nothing seems to be amiss |
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| 20:36.24 | minsa | there are also dns entries from ISP in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:36.33 | abrotman | thneed: you already have them |
| 20:36.40 | thneed | but they don't work |
| 20:36.46 | minsa | any pointer would be appreciated.. |
| 20:36.50 | abrotman | thneed: why do you say they don't work ? |
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| 20:37.04 | thneed | everytime I try to get smbclient it cannot fetch package |
| 20:37.56 | abrotman | thneed: apt-cache policy smbclient .. what is the candidate ? |
| 20:38.11 | eOliva | I'm trying to install compiz in my debian sid, but when I run "compiz --replace" it says me that XGL is not present....how can I fix it?? I searched for a xgl package but nothing there... |
| 20:38.30 | thneed | Installed: (none) |
| 20:38.30 | thneed | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.30 | thneed | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.30 | thneed | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.30 | thneed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:39.12 | abrotman | thneed: so what's the error when you `aptitude install smbclient` ? |
| 20:39.31 | minsa | I have amd_64 bit testing.... |
| 20:40.09 | adb | thneed: do "apt-get update" for once again |
| 20:40.31 | thneed | failed to fetch packages |
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| 20:41.20 | abrotman | thneed: oh .. jeez |
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| 20:41.33 | abrotman | thneed: where are you geographically ?> |
| 20:41.56 | thneed | western US |
| 20:42.04 | abrotman | NW? SW? |
| 20:42.25 | thneed | CO |
| 20:42.54 | thneed | I need to switch my server to something closer |
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| 20:43.14 | abrotman | thneed: no, but the one oyu're using is down |
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| 20:43.43 | thneed | abrotman: agreed |
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| 20:43.51 | abrotman | "deb http://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/mirrors/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" |
| 20:44.03 | EugenMayer | how to set the /dev/shm size in debian (to keep the size after rebooting also |
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| 20:48.33 | Bohemian | hi, new to linux after years on bsd. does debian have a hardened kernel i can pick during install? right now i'm doing a full disc encrypt, but after i'm not sure if i pick the kernel. something like gentoo-hardened-sources ? |
| 20:48.34 | abrotman | thneed: better ? |
| 20:48.41 | thneed | nope, same error |
| 20:48.50 | abrotman | thneed: comment out your first two lines |
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| 20:49.11 | Bohemian | PaX or grSecurity? |
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| 20:49.40 | thneed | abrotman: I already did |
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| 20:50.30 | thneed | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m717c9d5d |
| 20:50.37 | abrotman | thneed: so what's the candidate now ? |
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| 20:51.01 | thneed | the one you sent, and the ones below the first two lines, i also tried commentign out everything except the one you sent |
| 20:51.08 | thneed | neither method worked |
| 20:51.22 | abrotman | says it's corrupt .. let's try one more .. |
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| 20:51.56 | abrotman | thneed: "deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" |
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| 20:53.39 | abrotman | thneed: i just used that one to update .. seems fine |
| 20:54.24 | thneed | abrotman: must be something else on my end then...because I get the same error |
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| 20:55.15 | rusererro | hello, does any one have experience with xen-tools on lenny? |
| 20:55.31 | thneed | rips pieces of scalp off in frustration |
| 20:55.33 | rusererro | getting an error about /bin/ls after debootstrap |
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| 20:55.49 | nsadmin | rusererro: specifics. |
| 20:56.26 | rusererro | ok |
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| 20:57.11 | rusererro | after debootstrap fails after debootstrap, i get the following error in /var/log/xen-tools/xen1.log: |
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| 20:57.23 | nsadmin | "an error about" is not the same as the exact text of the error message, and you haven't showed what you did (again, exact text) |
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| 20:58.26 | rusererro | "The installation of the new system has failed. \n The system is missing the common file: /bin/ls |
| 20:58.28 | klhrevolution | batch rename photos image01.jpg, image02.jpg, etc... any help ? |
| 20:59.30 | nsadmin | rusererro: did you run out of disk space? |
| 20:59.32 | abrotman | man rename |
| 20:59.39 | thneed | abrotman: brb restart |
| 20:59.48 | rusererro | perhapds on the image |
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| 21:00.10 | nsadmin | find out... meanwhile, laundry errand... |
| 21:00.54 | rusererro | the command was" xen-image-create --hostname=xen1 --size=4Gb --swap=256Mb --arch=amd64 --role=udev |
| 21:01.22 | rusererro | the default disttro is lenny |
| 21:01.28 | rusererro | I am on amd64 |
| 21:01.41 | rusererro | ok |
| 21:01.50 | rusererro | I have to go anyway, crap |
| 21:02.03 | rusererro | I'll be back with more detailed info |
| 21:02.09 | rusererro | and I'll play around |
| 21:02.11 | rusererro | sorry |
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| 21:02.23 | btnz | hi there, i'm planning to run a home server and can't quite figure out where to get started.. one of my main concerns is that i'll hardly get to see the server and that i'd like to toy around a bit before i get to where the server will live. so i thought about setting up the server in a virtual environment on the machine i have with me first and then transfering it.. |
| 21:03.58 | btnz | does it make sense to run a debian guest server on a debian host? if so, what virtualisation would make a good choice? |
| 21:04.01 | Bohemian | hi, new to linux after years on bsd. does debian have a hardened kernel i can pick during install? right now i'm doing a full disc encrypt, but after i'm not sure if i pick the kernel. something like gentoo-hardened-sources ? |
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| 21:06.07 | abrotman | Bohemian: no, but you can enable grsecurity |
| 21:06.38 | Bohemian | abrotman: what is that? a kernel patch? or is it a kernel? |
| 21:06.56 | nsadmin | btnz: do you have the hardware the server will live in now? |
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| 21:08.03 | btnz | nsadmin: no, not here, actually it's in my parents place, but that is about 1k km away from where i live |
| 21:08.27 | abrotman | !tell Bohemian about grsec |
| 21:08.38 | Bohemian | thanks abrotman |
| 21:08.44 | abrotman | !tell Bohemian about grsecurity |
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| 21:08.47 | Bohemian | does dm-crypt in debian do aes256 by default? |
| 21:08.49 | abrotman | oh .. same links |
| 21:08.53 | Bohemian | same link |
| 21:09.06 | thrashold | Hello. Has anyone here experienced screen going black on Debian-based distros after closing Konsole? |
| 21:09.06 | nsadmin | will it run at your parents' place when it's permanent? |
| 21:09.41 | btnz | nsadmin: thing is, next weekend i'll visit them and would like to prepare it so far that i can do the rest remotely but i dont quite know what to take care of first |
| 21:10.02 | EugenMayer | how to check, whether the current debian installation uses a swap partition? |
| 21:10.08 | nsadmin | thrashold: describe your situation; don't assume it's in every debian yet |
| 21:10.13 | btnz | yes, it's going to stay there |
| 21:10.53 | nsadmin | will it be on a static IP? |
| 21:10.57 | btnz | no |
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| 21:11.12 | nsadmin | that could be a problem... it's a server you will contact? |
| 21:11.28 | thrashold | nsadmin, I'm just looking if other people experienced it, I had it happen on two installation and I just want to know if it is a wide-spread problem or something with my two installation, possibly a coincidence. |
| 21:11.45 | btnz | i hope so.. |
| 21:12.17 | nsadmin | thrashold: that information will likely be in the bts (known problems) |
| 21:12.51 | nsadmin | btnz: you should consider getting a static IP |
| 21:13.10 | btnz | as far as i got it i'll have to get a dyndns sooner or later, preferably later.. |
| 21:13.11 | nsadmin | what services will it host? |
| 21:13.48 | btnz | first of all i want it to be an email server, with more to follow |
| 21:14.06 | nsadmin | can't run an email server on a dyn IP |
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| 21:14.46 | xgpt | hello, I just deleted /etc/lighttpd* and all recursive directories. How do I restore the default lighttpd configuration? |
| 21:14.56 | xgpt | I figured it would reinstall |
| 21:14.59 | nsadmin | do you have your own domain? |
| 21:15.08 | btnz | no, not yet.. |
| 21:15.11 | OpenTokix | xgpt: yes, just --purge and reinstall |
| 21:15.15 | btnz | was planning to get one |
| 21:15.17 | nsadmin | but you plan on it? |
| 21:15.19 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 21:15.36 | nsadmin | the dns DEFINITELY CANNOT be run on a dynamic IP |
| 21:15.37 | xgpt | OpenTokix: is there no other way |
| 21:15.39 | xgpt | ?? |
| 21:15.50 | nsadmin | so |
| 21:15.53 | OpenTokix | xgpt: might have the defaults in /usr/share/docs/lighttp |
| 21:16.03 | OpenTokix | xgpt: whats the problem with just reinstalling? |
| 21:16.31 | xgpt | OpenTokix: no problem, I was just wondering if there was another way |
| 21:16.40 | nsadmin | you'll have to either get a static ip if you want to do the dns yourself (not great unless you REALLY know what you're doing), or farm the dns part out |
| 21:16.43 | xgpt | especially wondering why dpkg-reconfigure wasn't working |
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| 21:17.03 | btnz | well i cant run my own dns on a changing IP, but i could run an email server on a non-static ip using a dyndns service |
| 21:18.11 | nsadmin | it will perform very poorly and will be autosuspected of faking your domain |
| 21:18.23 | nsadmin | over and over again |
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| 21:19.20 | btnz | so running it without static ip but some service like http://www.dnsmadeeasy.com/ is not a good idea? |
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| 21:19.58 | xyan | btnz: mail servers with dynamic ip often end up on blacklists |
| 21:20.05 | xgpt | hey guys |
| 21:20.07 | xgpt | speaking of DNS |
| 21:20.19 | markybob | why do people still set up their own email servers? :P gmail for your domain, dude |
| 21:20.37 | btnz | well, been there, seen that.. |
| 21:20.37 | donkeyofdarkness | For lulz? |
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| 21:21.19 | btnz | but selling the last bit of my privacy to google made me think about setting up my own mail server |
| 21:21.20 | cusco_ | hi |
| 21:21.37 | nsadmin | btnz: not for a mail server |
| 21:21.58 | xgpt | comcast is hijacking mistyped dns requests and sending them to a custom search page so they can make more money. I hate this behavior. How do I run a custom DNS server on my home server? |
| 21:22.02 | xgpt | is that possibel? |
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| 21:22.11 | xgpt | nsadmin: are you actually a DNS server admin? |
| 21:22.14 | donkeyofdarkness | use opendns |
| 21:22.15 | markybob | xgpt, you can opt-out of that |
| 21:22.19 | nsadmin | well I have been |
| 21:22.20 | btnz | nsadmin: sry, can't follow you |
| 21:22.22 | cusco_ | xgpt: install bind9 |
| 21:22.24 | xgpt | markybob: how do I opt-out? |
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| 21:22.31 | xgpt | cusco_: can you link me to a guide? |
| 21:22.35 | markybob | xgpt, https://dns-opt-out.comcast.net/ |
| 21:22.48 | cusco_ | looks like markybob has a better option |
| 21:22.59 | markybob | xgpt, that link only works from within a comcast network...so if you're at work, the page wont load. |
| 21:23.00 | nsadmin | what does that do? |
| 21:23.26 | xgpt | markybob: that's cool, thank you |
| 21:23.33 | cusco_ | (that is why it does not load for me) |
| 21:23.35 | xgpt | markybob: I still want to install my own server |
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| 21:23.44 | xgpt | if for nothing else, I think it would be faster, no? |
| 21:23.49 | nsadmin | xgpt: got a static IP? |
| 21:23.59 | avu | xgpt, no |
| 21:24.03 | cusco_ | xgpt: you can just install a dns cacher |
| 21:24.07 | bananahands | abrotman: I was just here as thneed, upon restarting...I lost all gui |
| 21:24.08 | avu | xgpt, your ISP's DNS server has a *huge* cache |
| 21:24.25 | xgpt | nsadmin: no. do I need one? my home server is internal |
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| 21:24.30 | avu | xgpt, your own littler server would have to do much more recursive lookups |
| 21:24.41 | bananahands | abrotman: now I am at another comp, can you help me fix this? I have no idea what is going on, I was just trying to get samba to run :( |
| 21:24.44 | xgpt | my home server's Ip address is 192.168.1.150, wouldn't I be able to set one up? |
| 21:24.52 | xgpt | how much slower would it be though? |
| 21:24.56 | nsadmin | xgpt: oh, why do you want to run your own? so, not to serve a domain name you own? |
| 21:25.09 | xgpt | nsadmin: just because I would like to |
| 21:25.15 | xgpt | nsadmin: if for nothing else the sport of figuring it out |
| 21:25.41 | nsadmin | will it be contacted from outside your net? |
| 21:25.55 | abrotman | bananahands: how did instlaling smbclient mess up your GUI ? |
| 21:26.01 | abrotman | bananahands: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:26.14 | nsadmin | if the answer is no, then just go for it |
| 21:26.34 | bananahands | I never installed smbclient, the repos do not work |
| 21:26.35 | nsadmin | if the answer is yes, you have a lot of reading to do, most likely |
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| 21:26.47 | cusco_ | !tell xgpt about dnsmasq . |
| 21:27.03 | bananahands | I suspect I missed some key updates because the server I was accessing is down; however, the servers that you suggested did not work either |
| 21:27.08 | abrotman | bananahands: what is your video card? what is specified in your xorg.conf ? |
| 21:27.35 | nsadmin | xgpt: other than that, can't help much without a more specific answer to my question |
| 21:28.11 | nsadmin | "because I want to" is good enough to just plow through and do it |
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| 21:28.48 | xgpt | nsadmin: no, I don't need to have it be contacted by outside of my net |
| 21:28.49 | nsadmin | but it's not good enough for me to suggest what to do and which direction you should go specifically |
| 21:29.00 | xgpt | nsadmin: why not? |
| 21:29.22 | cusco_ | apache guys... isnt /usr/share/apache2/errors/include suposed to be included in apache error pages? |
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| 21:30.04 | nsadmin | well until you answered that last question, I wasn't sure whether you'd be in the situation of having to cooperate with other dns servers and admins |
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| 21:30.23 | xgpt | nsadmin: what question? |
| 21:30.25 | nsadmin | and since the answer is no, just go for it... |
| 21:30.31 | bananahands | abrotman: my video card is an ATI Radeon HD 4830 |
| 21:30.50 | nsadmin | xgpt: what purpose will the dns serve in your network? |
| 21:31.20 | nsadmin | will it provide lookups for the machines in your network? |
| 21:31.29 | nsadmin | will it also name machines in your network? |
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| 21:32.08 | bananahands | abrotman: I cannot acess /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:32.27 | nsadmin | I phrased the question differently originally... I said something like "why do you want to run a dns server?" |
| 21:32.44 | abrotman | bananahands: as root ? |
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| 21:32.51 | bananahands | abrotman: nope |
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| 21:32.55 | bananahands | abrotman: my xorg.conf has an ATI proprietary driver with fglrx |
| 21:33.46 | jtheuer_ | hi, maybe a stupid question: I have a file with a list of packages, one per line and I want to install them. is that possible with dpkg? |
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| 21:34.33 | Skipp_OSX | is there a way to install the openssh-server package sans x11? |
| 21:35.10 | nsadmin | if the "why" would have been anything to the effect of "I have my own domain, and I want to run the dns for that", that would put you in the category of someone having to deal with all the cooperation issues present in dns |
| 21:35.13 | abrotman | bananahands: maybe try changing it to vesa just to get a working X ? |
| 21:35.18 | abrotman | bananahands: did you upgrade your kernel lately ? |
| 21:35.21 | adb | Skipp_OSX: yes |
| 21:35.27 | markybob | jtheuer_, sed -i 's/\n/\ /g' foo && sudo apt-get install `cat foo` |
| 21:35.27 | nsadmin | jtheuer_: you could try a for loop |
| 21:35.34 | Skipp_OSX | adb: how do you do it? |
| 21:35.51 | bananahands | abrotman: I REALLY don't want to use vesa again, it NEVER worked, I have not upgraded my kernel recently |
| 21:36.06 | adb | Skipp_OSX: install w/o recommends |
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| 21:36.10 | markybob | bananahands, you dont have to. RAEDONHD works just fine with that card |
| 21:36.32 | cusco_ | in apache2 package, isn't /usr/share/apache2/errors/include suposed to be included in apache error pages? |
| 21:36.46 | cusco_ | basically i just want for all the error page to contain http://pastebin.com/m34d25f4e |
| 21:36.48 | jtheuer_ | markybob: ok, so \n must be space, that can be the reason. Another question, will the `cat foo` fail if the list is really long? |
| 21:36.53 | abrotman | bananahands: again? |
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| 21:37.03 | xororand | jtheuer_: it's not a stupid question and yes, you can do that. for example: for X in $(cat your-package-list); do apt-get install $X; done |
| 21:37.04 | abrotman | bananahands: why can't you view your Xorg.0.log ? |
| 21:37.04 | markybob | jtheuer_, no |
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| 21:37.25 | jtheuer_ | ok, thank you all for your help! |
| 21:37.50 | Skipp_OSX | adb: according to the printout I am seeing it says, the following extra packages will be installed: libx11-6, libx11-data, libxcb-xlib0, etc |
| 21:38.06 | Skipp_OSX | x11-common, etc, etc |
| 21:38.17 | Skipp_OSX | not recommend packages but will be installed package |
| 21:38.23 | bananahands | abrotman: I have no idea, maybe I am typing it wrong? I recently added a host to /etc/hosts, that is all |
| 21:38.32 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:39.09 | adb | Skipp_OSX: aptitude install --with(out)-recommends openssh-server |
| 21:39.12 | bananahands | yeah, that does not work...I will try a restart |
| 21:39.16 | bananahands | again |
| 21:39.23 | nsadmin | bananahands: show this to abrotman: ls -l /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:39.34 | abrotman | or ls /var/log/ |
| 21:39.53 | nsadmin | bananahands: and you have to do that as root most likely |
| 21:40.01 | bananahands | I am not that good man, I could do it with a gui, but I am trying to do this all in bash and the last time I tried, it said it not exist |
| 21:40.08 | markybob | bananahands, you know that files in linux are case-sensitive? |
| 21:40.23 | bananahands | oh I do |
| 21:40.41 | markybob | grabs another beer |
| 21:40.53 | streuner_ | cheers |
| 21:41.00 | nsadmin | does pastebinit require a parameter these days? |
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| 21:41.50 | bananahands | okay |
| 21:41.51 | Skipp_OSX | adb: that worked, thank you |
| 21:41.54 | bananahands | I will type it in |
| 21:41.56 | btnz | oh screw it.. really looks like running an email server on dyndns is not the best idea if planning on actually sending any -.- |
| 21:42.01 | adb | Skipp_OSX: aptitude --help |
| 21:42.13 | nsadmin | btnz: it's true... |
| 21:42.41 | bananahands | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40984 2009-08-15 15:42 /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:43.16 | btnz | which kind of makes things a bit more complicated as i'm not too happy about getting a static ip |
| 21:43.21 | nsadmin | bananahands: ok, since you were able to do that without "permission denied", you're running as root. |
| 21:43.44 | nsadmin | you -should- now be able to do "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 21:43.54 | nsadmin | additionally you could pastebin that file |
| 21:43.55 | btnz | so what's the way to go then? getting a virtual server somewhere? |
| 21:44.21 | Skipp_OSX | now how do I make sshd load on startup? |
| 21:44.30 | bananahands | nsadmin: pastebinit? |
| 21:44.30 | Tadek | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.38 | markybob | Skipp_OSX, you install it. the default is to load on startup |
| 21:44.56 | nsadmin | bananahands: try this: aptitude install pastebinit |
| 21:45.04 | Skipp_OSX | markybob: okay cool, I think I am good then |
| 21:45.15 | nsadmin | it's a way to stick any text on a website so others can read it |
| 21:45.30 | Skipp_OSX | adb: what is the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
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| 21:45.54 | adb | dpkg: tell Skipp_OSX why aptitude |
| 21:46.08 | bananahands | then I just pastebinit less /var/log...? |
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| 21:46.11 | adb | dpkg: tell Skipp_OSX -about why aptitude |
| 21:46.12 | nsadmin | apt-get was originally just an early test of the apt libs |
| 21:46.25 | Skipp_OSX | come on dpkg! |
| 21:46.25 | aaron__ | hey does gnome has any wireless application so you can connect to a wireless connection ? |
| 21:46.42 | Skipp_OSX | dpkg: why aptitude |
| 21:46.43 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 21:46.44 | nsadmin | but at the time, demand was so high that people beat up cows to get it from culus who loves cows |
| 21:46.49 | xgpt | nsadmin: it would provide lookups for machiens in my network |
| 21:46.58 | xgpt | rather than relying on external dns servers nsadmin |
| 21:47.02 | markybob | aaron__, network-manager-gnome |
| 21:47.07 | xgpt | nsadmin: sorry for the long delays, I'm sorta busy right now :-/ |
| 21:47.14 | nsadmin | xgpt: ok, so: |
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| 21:47.44 | xgpt | so? |
| 21:47.52 | nsadmin | xgpt: you don't really want a cacher BUT you want a dns server that does cache... and you are not presently interested in hosting an internal domain name |
| 21:47.56 | nsadmin | correct? |
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| 21:48.01 | xgpt | I suppose? |
| 21:48.21 | xgpt | nsadmin: doesn't a dns server do what a cache does? |
| 21:48.34 | nsadmin | ok, one quick way to do that is aptitude install bind9 on a machine other than the gateway |
| 21:48.43 | bananahands | okay |
| 21:49.04 | nsadmin | xgpt: yes it does |
| 21:49.08 | bananahands | htt[://pastebin.com/f39f8a6e0 |
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| 21:49.26 | xgpt | nsadmin: so can you show me a good guide to install one? |
| 21:49.39 | Skipp_OSX | xgpt: and more... |
| 21:50.33 | markybob | xgpt, you dont need a guide if you're not using it for anything other than cache. you just install it |
| 21:50.47 | btnz | okay, so what reasonable ways are there to run your own email server with perspective to extend it (web, file server..) without running into high cost? |
| 21:50.54 | bananahands | http://pastebin.com/f39f8a6e0 |
| 21:51.03 | xgpt | markybob: so if I install bind9, and reconfigure my machines to check IT and NOT my dhcp provided one |
| 21:51.05 | xgpt | it will do so? |
| 21:51.11 | markybob | xgpt, yes |
| 21:51.21 | nsadmin | bananahands: very good, that's your log file |
| 21:51.23 | Skipp_OSX | btnz: high costs from bandwidth or high costs from software? |
| 21:51.28 | xgpt | it's automatically configured to start serving addresses? |
| 21:51.30 | xgpt | kick ass |
| 21:51.48 | nsadmin | xgpt: yep, starts on boot, whole bit |
| 21:51.56 | xgpt | nsadmin: thanks a bunch guys |
| 21:52.00 | nsadmin | started now too |
| 21:52.02 | xgpt | nsadmin: that seems too easy almost |
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| 21:52.09 | nsadmin | yes, it did. |
| 21:52.12 | btnz | mainly high service cost (like hosting= |
| 21:52.15 | btnz | *) |
| 21:52.59 | nsadmin | the other way would have been to get the source of bind9, satisfy its build and runtime requirements, build the source, install it |
| 21:53.10 | Skipp_OSX | btnz: well, the most expensive part of hosting is bandwidth, followed by electricity |
| 21:53.39 | nsadmin | disk space is in there somewhere too |
| 21:54.11 | btnz | actually i was rather scared of the cost of a static ip |
| 21:54.11 | Skipp_OSX | nsadmin: yes, I suppose, but disks are cheap compared to bandwidth and electricity cost |
| 21:55.01 | nsadmin | btnz: perhaps the highest cost is your time learning it (initially anyway) |
| 21:55.22 | xgpt | just curious |
| 21:55.34 | xgpt | where does bind get it's addresses? |
| 21:55.35 | nsadmin | Skipp_OSX: those are cost/time |
| 21:55.41 | xgpt | does it look all of them up individually? |
| 21:55.47 | xgpt | doesn't it need a name server to look at? |
| 21:55.51 | nsadmin | it asks other servers |
| 21:56.00 | Skipp_OSX | nsadmin: True, those are recurring costs, learning is a one-time cost |
| 21:56.01 | pingouin | to change/export something in bash, for *all* users on a system, it's better to do it in : /etc/profile ? or in /etc/bash.bashrc ? |
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| 21:56.02 | btnz | apart from the fact that i'm doing it for the fun of it (for now at least) i think it's going to pay of some day |
| 21:56.03 | nsadmin | yes, there are these dns servers caled root servers |
| 21:56.23 | bananahands | this log is pretty informative, I am not sure that I see any errors in it though |
| 21:56.36 | xgpt | nsadmin: and the root servers are fast? slow? |
| 21:56.58 | Skipp_OSX | btnz: well, that is where the cost comes in, people who do hosting often are making money to offset the cost |
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| 21:57.04 | bhnbfhg | Discuss anything anonymously without registering an account at the only place on the Internet where grammar, spelling and punctuation actually matters: http://www.anontalk.com/ (or https://www.anontalk.com/ for immediate encryption). A definite bookmark for every smart Internet user! (This has been a public service message; NOT spam.) |
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| 21:57.32 | nsadmin | xgpt: the root servers are limited to just the root |
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| 21:57.41 | xgpt | nsadmin: pardon? |
| 21:57.42 | nsadmin | they only serve . |
| 21:57.59 | nsadmin | there's an implicit . at the end of all domain names |
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| 21:58.04 | xgpt | mmhmm? |
| 21:58.06 | xgpt | I'm confused |
| 21:58.07 | baggend | Ok, I'm stumped. I have a rogue cfdisk process, not attached to a tty, that refuses to die (even with kill -9). Any ideas? (other than rebooting) |
| 21:58.11 | nsadmin | so yahoo.com is really yahoo.com. |
| 21:58.26 | nsadmin | or -really- yahoo.com.(nothing) |
| 21:58.32 | Skipp_OSX | btnz: Have you considered using something like dydns to allow you to use a dynamic IP? |
| 21:58.46 | aaron__ | hey can someone help me please I'm using gnome and I'm not Available to see the the wireless connection can someone help me? |
| 21:58.48 | btnz | Skipp_OSX: that was my initial idea |
| 21:59.05 | nsadmin | Skipp_OSX: he wants to do email tho, and I didn't think that would work well |
| 21:59.13 | btnz | skipp_osx but i was just told that dyndns tends to get blacklisted |
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| 21:59.18 | Skipp_OSX | nsadmin: why not? |
| 21:59.32 | bananahands | can anyone help, now that I posted the log? |
| 21:59.50 | btnz | hell, i really didnt expect that the email part of it would make it tough |
| 21:59.56 | tommyd3mdi | Hi all! I have a small question: How can I make Lenny's apt-get not pull recommended packages? |
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| 22:00.08 | nsadmin | when the address changes, it has to propigate, while it's propigating, some outstream email servers will refuse |
| 22:00.13 | ajavid | tommyd3mdi, yes, man apt.conf |
| 22:00.17 | Skipp_OSX | well, there is probably a way you can host mail elsewhere if that is all you want to do, I think yahoo will host your mail for a nominal fee |
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| 22:00.45 | Skipp_OSX | tommyd3mdi: hahaha, I just asked a question along those same lines |
| 22:00.55 | tommyd3mdi | ajavid: any pointer? searching for "recommended" doesn't bring anything up |
| 22:01.11 | btnz | well it is surely not all that i want to do but it was what i thought of doing first as it appeared most obvious to me |
| 22:01.14 | nsadmin | probably you want to use aptitude in lenny |
| 22:01.26 | aaron__ | hey can someone help me please I'm using gnome and I'm not Available to see the the wireless connection can someone help me? |
| 22:01.30 | Skipp_OSX | tommyd3mdi: apparently you use aptitude --without-recommends install <package> |
| 22:01.33 | nsadmin | apt-get probably doesn't help maintain that extra data the aptitude does |
| 22:01.41 | ajavid | tommyd3mdi, install recommends and suggests |
| 22:02.23 | Skipp_OSX | btnz: Unfortunely mail is not that easy |
| 22:02.32 | ajavid | tommyd3mdi, APT::Install-Recommends "0"; |
| 22:02.42 | ajavid | tommyd3mdi, APT::Install-Suggests "0"; |
| 22:02.44 | tommyd3mdi | ajavid: ah, thanks! |
| 22:02.46 | bananahands | abrotman: any leads? |
| 22:02.59 | Skipp_OSX | btnz: Although look into the cost of Microsoft Exchange sometime and you'll see that it is _much_ easier on Linux |
| 22:04.03 | btnz | nsadmin, Skipp_OSX: after getting the email part done i was actually looking to also use it for things like hosting a calendar, a website and some more fun stuff |
| 22:04.09 | nsadmin | bananahands line 486 |
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| 22:04.15 | nsadmin | for one thing |
| 22:04.48 | bananahands | nsadmin: I am not sure what that is |
| 22:05.30 | btnz | that's why i'm not really going to get a mail service like it is offered by some domain resellers |
| 22:06.08 | nsadmin | bananahands lines 690 - 697, especially line 691 |
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| 22:06.48 | nsadmin | bananahands line 726 |
| 22:06.50 | bananahands | nsadmin: whoa |
| 22:07.10 | Skipp_OSX | btnz: but you could get dydns to do all of that *except* mail due to issues with spam |
| 22:07.28 | bananahands | nsadmin: ugh, so I need to update my driver? or I need to restart xserver or something? I have never gotten these errors before |
| 22:07.43 | jmarsden | btnz: A small slice on Linode or similar VPS providers will get you started, expand as your needs grow... $20/month is not exactly "high cost" for an employed adult in the developed world...? if that is "high" for you, then host at home on your own DSL or whatever and use dynamic DNS to handle the changing IP... |
| 22:07.53 | nsadmin | bananahands finally, lines 786 to end |
| 22:08.34 | Skipp_OSX | I agree with jmarsden, $20/month is fairly cheap hosting, home w/dydns is the only thing cheaper |
| 22:08.42 | nsadmin | dunno :) I was just finding lines with (EE) in them :) |
| 22:09.09 | bananahands | I am not sure what MC or PPlib are, this all happened after a restart, but because I could no apt-get update, I suspect I am missing packages? |
| 22:09.22 | btnz | jmarsden: thanks, but 'employed adult' is about where you lost me, i'm just about to enter university ;) |
| 22:09.41 | nsadmin | not sure what that part is about |
| 22:10.38 | jmarsden | btnz: Then be creative and use whatever connectivity you already have, or else get a part time job worth at least $20.month to cover the hosting costs. |
| 22:10.38 | nsadmin | what I did know was how to find the error lines in the log |
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| 22:10.38 | bananahands | nsadmin: which is useful, thanks |
| 22:11.07 | btnz | but i guess if i compare that hosting cost to the energy consumption of yet another machine running 24/7.. |
| 22:11.48 | bananahands | anyone know how to startX given these errors? |
| 22:11.48 | jmarsden | btnz: if you are in a college dorm room, energy consumption will be part of your fixed accommodation costs anyway, won't it? |
| 22:11.52 | bananahands | http://pastebin.com/f39f8a6e0 |
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| 22:13.11 | markybob | bananahands, you remove fglrx, remove its settings in xorg.conf and install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 22:13.31 | btnz | jmarsden: college dorm, i wish i were... where i study college dorms are available only for those who are at least in the 3rd year of their studies and private student dorms start around 600â¬/month |
| 22:13.37 | bananahands | markybob: I cannot install packages |
| 22:14.05 | markybob | bananahands, then no one can help you and you're wasting time |
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| 22:14.35 | bananahands | markybob: so, my computer is permanently broken. That is bogus, I have always found solutions with linux somehow |
| 22:14.56 | jmarsden | bananahands: "I cannot install packages"... why not? What happens when you try? |
| 22:15.10 | btnz | but serious question now: how much would it actually cost (energy-wise) to run a server that is always on? |
| 22:15.11 | bananahands | jmarsden: "failed to fetch package" |
| 22:15.21 | bananahands | jmarsden: I tried 3 different repos |
| 22:15.39 | jmarsden | bananahands: OK, you need to fix that first, then work on X. |
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| 22:15.45 | Evet | how can i learn mac-address |
| 22:15.50 | bananahands | jmarsden: agreed, I am not sure how though |
| 22:16.04 | bananahands | jmarsden: people here gave me repos to try and they all fail |
| 22:16.07 | bananahands | same errors |
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| 22:16.13 | bananahands | I pasted earlier |
| 22:16.17 | markybob | Evet, sudo ifconfig -a (HWaddr) |
| 22:16.45 | jmarsden | bananahands: I was afk earlier... trying to catch up now. Try apt-get -f install and see if it cleans anything up? |
| 22:17.12 | Evet | markybob, thank you |
| 22:17.27 | bananahands | jmarsden: nope |
| 22:17.28 | nsadmin | jmarsden: his x log: http://pastebin.com/f39f8a6e0 |
| 22:17.29 | Skipp_OSX | btnz: perhaps 100 pounds per year |
| 22:18.28 | jmarsden | nsadmin: Well, I was looking for a log from running apt-get or aptitude, X needs to wait until package management and networking are working :) |
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| 22:18.42 | bananahands | I agree |
| 22:18.47 | bananahands | that was the original problem |
| 22:18.58 | nsadmin | oh I didn't know it diddn't work |
| 22:18.59 | bananahands | I am trying to install a package now to see if the restart helped in any way |
| 22:19.04 | Skipp_OSX | btnz: I suppose it would depend on how much use the machine gets, could be as little as $100/year |
| 22:19.22 | nsadmin | bananahands: try a smaller test... ping yahoo.com |
| 22:19.48 | bananahands | nsadmin: but the problem is not connecting to internet, it is dling packages |
| 22:19.53 | jmarsden | bananahands: Can you do apt-get update and paste the output somewhere? |
| 22:20.00 | bananahands | yeah |
| 22:20.39 | bananahands | agh |
| 22:20.41 | bananahands | apparently not |
| 22:20.49 | nsadmin | or aptitude update |
| 22:20.53 | bananahands | but I just dled a package...so it works now |
| 22:20.59 | nsadmin | for lenny it's supposed to be better |
| 22:21.20 | jmarsden | bananahands: What happened when you tried apt-get update? And why can't you pastebin what happened?? |
| 22:21.51 | bananahands | jmarsden: patebinit -r sudo apt-get update is what I am running, is that wrong? |
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| 22:22.05 | bananahands | jmarsden: it tells me unable to read from update |
| 22:22.14 | nsadmin | try this: |
| 22:22.33 | nsadmin | apt-get update | pastebinit |
| 22:22.46 | jmarsden | bananahands: sudo apt-get update | pastebinit |
| 22:22.56 | btnz | Skipp_OSX: just googled a bit and found that energy prices range from 15-25 â¬ct/kWh |
| 22:23.32 | bananahands | jmarsden: htt[://pastebin.com is all it gave me :/ |
| 22:24.16 | jmarsden | bananahands: OK. Lets try script -c "sudo apt-get update" # and then look at the file typescript |
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| 22:24.58 | themill | pastebin.com discards as spam pastes that have too many URLs in them |
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| 22:25.31 | btnz | assuming an energy consumption of approximately 0.1 kW that is around 15â¬/month so i guess i might find a vps for that.. |
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| 22:26.44 | jmarsden | themill: Ah, OK. In that case doing sudo apt-get update |pastebinit -b http://pastebin.ca # might be a workaround |
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| 22:27.38 | bananahands | jmarsden: um...not sure what I am looking for in these options |
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| 22:27.55 | jmarsden | bananahands: Try sudo apt-get update |pastebinit -b http://pastebin.ca |
| 22:27.57 | themill | yeah, or piping to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" |
| 22:28.01 | jmarsden | I just want to see what it is doing... |
| 22:28.37 | themill | btnz: 100W is pretty conservative for power consumption for consumer grade hardware; it's fairly easy to find a VPS for â¬8-10/month if you're prepared to do the management yourself (i.e. not paying for cpanel or something silly like that) |
| 22:28.48 | bananahands | jmarsden: http://pastebin.ca/1530898 |
| 22:29.59 | btnz | themill: actually doing things myself is just my point, so as long as i get full access i'm happy with it |
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| 22:30.07 | bananahands | jmarsden: I can post sources.list too |
| 22:30.15 | nsadmin | themill: would something liek that come with a serial console? |
| 22:30.44 | nsadmin | bananahands good idea |
| 22:30.51 | themill | nsadmin: not that I've ever seen. It might come with a webpage that will reimage the VPS for you if you click the magic button. |
| 22:30.52 | jmarsden | bananahands: OK, the apt-get update output looks fine to me. Now if you do sudo apt-get install WHATEVER (where WHATEVER is some package you want to install) what happens? |
| 22:31.18 | bananahands | the last one I tried got the package |
| 22:31.23 | bananahands | very slowly |
| 22:31.39 | bananahands | http://pastebin.com/ff6be22c |
| 22:32.50 | jmarsden | bananahands: Well, working is working... so do you now believe apt-get and aptitude are working (slowly or fast is not the issue) ? |
| 22:33.19 | nsadmin | I guess he installed pastebinit somehow earlier |
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| 22:35.00 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: agh, my computer crashed...this isa bad day for me |
| 22:35.09 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: um, where were we? |
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| 22:35.46 | markybob | trolling away |
| 22:35.50 | donkeyofdarkness | we are on the internet |
| 22:36.00 | jmarsden | Define crashed? What did you see and what did you do to fix it? if you have flaky hardware we can spend all day trying to figure out software stuff ... |
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| 22:36.41 | donkeyofdarkness | Was it running Windows? |
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| 22:37.06 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: no no |
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| 22:37.27 | |bananahands| | I cannot use irc from bash, I mean the comp I switched to in order to fix my main comp crashed |
| 22:37.33 | |bananahands| | because of hardware |
| 22:37.50 | |bananahands| | the other one is fine, er that is to say, working without a gui |
| 22:37.59 | jmarsden | |bananahands|: You just said your computer crashed... that rarely ever happens running a sane OS. And you an use irssi or similar to use IRC from ahs ehll prompt just fine. |
| 22:38.25 | Bohemian | if i screw up when i configure a custom kernel, how would i get debian to boot up from my old kernel that works? |
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| 22:38.42 | jmarsden | Bohemian: select the old kernel from the Grub boot menu |
| 22:38.47 | Bohemian | ok |
| 22:38.54 | Bohemian | jmarsden: do you use grsecurity? |
| 22:38.58 | Bohemian | or another hardened kernel? |
| 22:39.15 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: not an OS problem, it is hardware, but not the issue right now as I am not on my own computer |
| 22:39.29 | jmarsden | Bohemian: Not at the moment, no. |
| 22:39.31 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: trying to fix my own comp so that I can stop using this broken POS |
| 22:40.06 | jmarsden | |bananahands|: OK... so on "your own" computer, does apt-get install now work (slowly or fast is not the issue, only whether it works or not)? |
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| 22:40.27 | Bohemian | jmarsden: have you? i'm reading about it now (i'm coming from bsd). do i need to create a new kernel for this job? or is it simply a patch that after i run apt get i'm done? |
| 22:40.30 | aaron__ | hey can someone help me please I'm using gnome and I'm not Available to see the the wireless connection can someone help me? |
| 22:40.56 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: yes, |
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| 22:41.26 | jmarsden | Bohemian: I used to, back then it was kernel patches so you applied the patches to the kernel source tree, and built yourself a custom kernel and then booted it. I don't know if someone has recently made that process easier. |
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| 22:41.58 | Bohemian | jmarsden: is this all i need to do? http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Grsecurity/Configuring_and_Installing_grsecurity#Compiling_and_Installing_the_Kernel |
| 22:42.15 | shivraj | hi I am using the latest netinst 5.0.2 and it saying there is a sr0 error when I boot from the cd |
| 22:42.21 | shivraj | well when its loading kernel |
| 22:42.22 | jmarsden | |bananahands|: OK, so now the remaining issue is just X not working. Do you absolutely *have* to use a proprietary driver for your video card? |
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| 22:42.42 | shivraj | is there a problem with this particular image? but it worked on another computer |
| 22:43.15 | aaron__ | hey can someone help me please I'm using gnome and I'm not Available to see the the wireless connection can someone help me? |
| 22:43.32 | jmarsden | Bohemian: That looks plausible, but it is not something I've done exactly that way... so try it and see :) |
| 22:43.33 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: I am not exactly sure what you mean by that, I know that I have been in order to get 3d acceleration (which I need for my job). Unless there is now a free driver, but I think the source code was released in November 2008 or something so...I think proprietary is all I have for now |
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| 22:43.43 | markybob | aaron__, i answered you over an hour ago. stop repeating yourself and pay attention |
| 22:44.32 | jmarsden | You have a job that needs you to run accelerated 3D on your own PC... hmm. OK. I'm not very familiar with the 3D and proprietary driver stuff, 2D is enough for me... |
| 22:44.37 | aaron__ | markybob, what did u say? |
| 22:44.38 | Bohemian | jmarsden: can i use the most recent kernel, or no? |
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| 22:44.58 | markybob | aaron__, network-manager-gnome |
| 22:45.01 | |bananahands| | markybob: I can get packages now, what was your ix for X? |
| 22:45.06 | |bananahands| | *fix |
| 22:45.21 | jmarsden | |bananahands|: You might want to try just getting boring 2d non-accelerated X working first, and then working on the 3D proprietary stuff after that?? |
| 22:45.27 | markybob | bananahands, you remove fglrx, remove its settings in xorg.conf and install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 22:45.48 | jmarsden | Bohemian: I don't know... I'd use something close to whatever kernel you get "by default" with the version of Debian you are now using. |
| 22:45.49 | markybob | is getting tired of repeating everything |
| 22:46.04 | |bananahands| | markybob: sorry I would have scrolled up, but my comp crashed |
| 22:46.13 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: what do you think? |
| 22:46.25 | Bohemian | another 40' and my encrypted disc should be finished in LUK. only took 5h :) |
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| 22:47.07 | jmarsden | |bananahands|: I think you should log your IRC sessions to disk. And sure, you can uninstall fglrx, it is a start in the right direction IMO. |
| 22:47.26 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: says it is not installed |
| 22:47.43 | adb | |bananahands|: lspci -nn | grep VGA , says ? |
| 22:48.01 | shivraj | should I try cd1.iso ? does it have a bigger kernel ? |
| 22:48.07 | shivraj | or same kernel |
| 22:48.31 | markybob | sigh |
| 22:48.37 | adb | shivraj: same .. |
| 22:48.50 | markybob | |bananahands|, sudo dpkg -l "*fglrx*" |grep ^ii |
| 22:49.29 | shivraj | so how do I fix this stupid sr0 problem? I never had problems with 5.0.0 |
| 22:49.45 | shivraj | I want to do a fresh install thats all, I dont like testing .. |
| 22:50.10 | adb | dpkg: tell shivraj -about bpo |
| 22:50.34 | |bananahands| | markybob: no packages found matching fglrx |
| 22:50.38 | markybob | |bananahands|, my god. you said you were using fglrx...then again, you've said a lot. either you're insane or a troll. /me gives up |
| 22:51.02 | |bananahands| | markybob: thanks that is very helpful |
| 22:51.19 | nsadmin | shivraj: (you matched a language pattern...) so you paid how much for 5.0.0? |
| 22:51.25 | |bananahands| | adb: I have a Radeon HD 4800 series if that is what you are wondering |
| 22:51.31 | jmarsden | shivraj: If you know 5.0.0 works, then download a 5.0.0 image and use that. |
| 22:52.03 | adb | |bananahands|: get us exact output please |
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| 22:53.41 | |bananahands| | adb: my apologies, VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV770 LE [Radeon HD 4800 Series] [1002:944c] |
| 22:53.58 | adb | judd: pciid 1002:944c |
| 22:53.59 | judd | adb: [1002:944c] is 'RV770 LE [Radeon HD 4800 Series]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:944c |
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| 22:54.43 | adb | !radeon |
| 22:54.43 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). For chipsets prior to R600 (ie. models up to and including the X1950), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (recent chipsets, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>. http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon @ freenode. |
| 22:54.50 | |bananahands| | markybob: and if you recall, I never said I was using fglrx...my log did, I am as confused as you are. But apparently a little more respectful of others |
| 22:55.27 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: I think I will just put vesa in xorg.conf even though fglrx is apparently not installed |
| 22:56.36 | abrotman | judd: xorg 1002:944c |
| 22:56.38 | judd | abrotman: Device 1002:944c is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 22:56.39 | jmarsden | |bananahands|: Sure. vesa should work, but you won't get 3D acceleration that way. But as I said, going for 2D first is probably wise... at least you'll have a GUI that way |
| 22:56.57 | Skipp_OSX | is anyone else here completely confused by ATI's versioning of video cards? So many letter/number combinations |
| 22:57.20 | |bananahands| | raises hand |
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| 22:57.44 | jmarsden | Skipp_OSX: Do you really think nVidia is any better? Or Intel CPU naming, for that matter... two different CPUs called E6300 for example :/ |
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| 22:58.02 | oreo | hey! what do you guys think about hardware vs software raid for mirroring? |
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| 22:58.16 | Skipp_OSX | jmarsden: no, they are all confusing |
| 22:58.20 | themill | abrotman: Piccy's "xorg" command has no data for fglrx. It should, however, know that the fglrx kernel module matches it... |
| 22:58.21 | abrotman | there are advantages and disadvantages |
| 22:58.26 | Ambush | doot |
| 22:58.37 | abrotman | themill: i thought maybe it'd match radeonhd |
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| 22:58.51 | Skipp_OSX | jmarsden: Intel is somewhat better, at least the Mhz are unambiguous (mostly) and then you gotta know how many cores |
| 22:58.52 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: still won't start X, should I restart? |
| 22:59.13 | |bananahands| | honestly, the card has worked fine for the last 8months |
| 22:59.20 | Skipp_OSX | The whole Core Duo Core 2 duo thing was a bit confusing but I think they have straightened that out |
| 22:59.23 | |bananahands| | until I restarted today |
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| 22:59.30 | cast | i had a drive plugged in using lvm, accidently pulled it out, now ive plugged it back in and ran pvscan/vg/lv and restarted /etc/init.d/lvm2 but its still showing the old logical volumes, so...how would i access my logical volumes? |
| 22:59.35 | jmarsden | |bananahands|: Rebooting is unlikely to help, this is not Windows :) Unless you really did have some weird kernel module loaded. |
| 22:59.39 | themill | abrotman: there's no radeonhd.ids for sid atm.... nfc why |
| 22:59.53 | |bananahands| | I think that my nvidia card on my other comp was more of a hassle, I mean at least ATI makes an effort, nvidia releases nothing |
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| 23:00.02 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: hmmm...so then? |
| 23:00.23 | Evet | debian license for sale |
| 23:00.23 | abrotman | themill: that's okay .. squeeze doesn't know what it is anyways |
| 23:00.27 | abrotman | Evet: knock it off |
| 23:00.37 | jmarsden | |bananahands|: Did you ask dpkg-reconfigure to recreate your xorg.conf file for you already? |
| 23:00.37 | Evet | cries |
| 23:00.48 | Kethal | I don't really know anything about Debian, and I'm trying to find out if KDE4 is in unstable or stable. In the stable package list it says kde-core(5:48), but I don't know what 5:48 means. |
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| 23:01.29 | purplepenguins | you don't want debian unstable, Kethal |
| 23:01.37 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: I tried, didn't work |
| 23:01.39 | themill | abrotman: the package doesn't contain an ids list :( http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd/filelist |
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| 23:01.47 | acidslep | Ugh |
| 23:01.55 | Kethal | I know I don't. I don't want KDE4 either. I'm trying to see if it's in stable before I install Debian. |
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| 23:02.04 | abrotman | no, it has 3.5 |
| 23:02.05 | acidslep | I am copying files across a local network, using scp. |
| 23:02.18 | ajavid | 4.1 backports for stable |
| 23:02.29 | acidslep | the transfer starts out normal speed (4mbps) then quickly degrades into nothing |
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| 23:02.39 | abrotman | ajavid: he wants 3.5 i gather |
| 23:02.46 | acidslep | it stops, for a few seconds then picks back up at around 200kbps |
| 23:02.46 | jmarsden | |bananahands|: "Didn't work" is kind of vague... can you try with no xorg.conf or with a very small very simple one and see what you get? |
| 23:02.52 | ajavid | i was just informing |
| 23:02.54 | Kethal | Yes, I want to install 3.5. I've tried 4 and it doesn't work. |
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| 23:02.59 | acidslep | where should i start to identify the bottleneck? |
| 23:03.16 | purplepenguins | kde4 has worked for me |
| 23:03.21 | acidslep | my first guess is HD, but I don't know how to test it properly |
| 23:04.00 | jmarsden | acidslep: you can scp within a single machine as a sanity test, if that is what you want? |
| 23:04.22 | Kethal | It's immature. It reminds of using KDE3 when it first came out. Good idea, but unfinished. |
| 23:04.26 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: simple one? simple what? |
| 23:04.32 | Bohemian | does debian stable have selinux available? |
| 23:04.40 | Bohemian | or do i need to download the tarball from the nsa site? |
| 23:04.41 | jmarsden | |bananahands|: Simple xorg.conf file |
| 23:05.03 | acidslep | jmarsden, i supposed that would work to test the HD, a simple copy |
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| 23:05.09 | acidslep | thanks, ill try it. |
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| 23:05.40 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: I apologize, I do not know what you are talking about |
| 23:06.10 | Kethal | thx |
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| 23:07.35 | jmarsden | |bananahands|: You are required to have 3D acellerated graphics on Linux, for your job, but you have never heard of xorg.conf ? Something seems odd here... |
| 23:07.51 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:08.07 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: what? no no, I tried to reconfigure dpkg |
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| 23:08.56 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: I tried to dpkg reconfigure xorg.conf, but it gave me an error, you said try with a simple one, I said simple what and you said xorg.conf |
| 23:09.07 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: ? |
| 23:09.19 | |bananahands| | jmarsden: I will just paste xorg.conf |
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| 23:09.46 | jmarsden | |bananahands|: I'm out of time. less /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see the file. You know what it is because you talked about it to others in this channel earlier... |
| 23:09.53 | ajavid | Kevin`, kde 4.3 is fairly usable |
| 23:10.01 | |bananahands| | GOD DAMNIT |
| 23:10.04 | |bananahands| | I know what it is |
| 23:10.06 | ajavid | oops |
| 23:10.09 | |bananahands| | I cannot get a gui |
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| 23:10.22 | |bananahands| | not sure why, it originally said fglrx |
| 23:10.40 | |bananahands| | I switched to vesa AS I HAVE DONE DOZENS OF TIMES BEFORE |
| 23:10.48 | |bananahands| | and it does not work, just like every other time I tried it |
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| 23:10.54 | ajavid | |bananahands|, calm down |
| 23:10.56 | adb | |bananahands|: uname -a , says ? |
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| 23:11.00 | purplepenguins | what does the Xorg log say |bananahands| |
| 23:11.24 | |bananahands| | http://pastebin.com/f7396b5f5 |
| 23:11.27 | |bananahands| | that is xorg.conf |
| 23:11.31 | |bananahands| | the log is...hold on |
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| 23:12.46 | |bananahands| | http://pastebin.com/f7334c3f |
| 23:12.48 | BlueG | What are the plans for ksplice in Debian? Can you use it for kernel updates now? Will the system use it automatically soon? |
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| 23:13.53 | purplepenguins | umm, you say you are using VESA, but that is clearly using fglrx in the log |
| 23:14.15 | adb | Driver "vesa" |
| 23:14.19 | purplepenguins | are you sure this is the log for the most recent attempt |
| 23:14.43 | |bananahands| | purplepenguins: no I am not |
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| 23:15.18 | |bananahands| | purplepenguins: I have never run this command before, but pastebinit -r less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:15.47 | purplepenguins | well, your xorg.conf is definitely using vesa |
| 23:15.54 | purplepenguins | so for some reason it's trying to ignore vesa |
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| 23:16.25 | |bananahands| | I just switched it to vesa... |
| 23:16.36 | antii | Why do I get this message in dmesg, also getting problem with X at start! |
| 23:16.39 | antii | [drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0 |
| 23:16.48 | purplepenguins | try uninstalling fglrx |
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| 23:17.10 | purplepenguins | i'm not remembering what the name of the fglrx package is but i'm sure it has fglrx in the name |
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| 23:17.32 | adb | purplepenguins: is NOT installed |
| 23:17.42 | safemode | i read the bug report but i still dont see a solution to why polkit-gnome-authorization doesn't allow you to modify anything |
| 23:17.49 | antii | :( |
| 23:17.56 | purplepenguins | do 'sudo aptitude search fglrx' and paste that |
| 23:18.23 | purplepenguins | adb: if it's not installed, then why does the Xorg log say that it's using it? |
| 23:18.48 | abrotman | you don't need sudo .. stop abusing it |
| 23:18.54 | adb | purplepenguins: ask |bananahands| .. |
| 23:19.09 | Bohemian | can i upgrade from lenny (stable) to testing easily? |
| 23:19.14 | Bohemian | or is that a new install? |
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| 23:20.17 | purplepenguins | abrotman: if you don't need sudo to do it, and it doesn't matter if you use sudo or not, then using sudo doesn't hurt |
| 23:20.22 | |bananahands| | purplepenguins: so there are11 results |
| 23:20.39 | adb | Bohemian: as you want/needs security , stay on lenny |
| 23:20.53 | Bohemian | adb: evidently, i need to be on unstable to use selinux |
| 23:20.58 | Bohemian | i figure i'll try that |
| 23:21.28 | BlueG | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.30 | purplepenguins | okay, there is a letter on the far left field, should be i,p,v |
| 23:21.35 | purplepenguins | are any of them i? |
| 23:21.42 | themill | purplepenguins: sudo isn't necessarily installed, isn't necessarily configured to permit that and encouraging people to just stick sudo in front of things isn't a good plan. Principle of least privilege also says not to use root privs if you don't need them. |
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| 23:22.29 | purplepenguins | okay, fine |
| 23:22.57 | deface | sounds like your used to ubuntu ;) |
| 23:23.07 | purplepenguins | no |
| 23:23.18 | purplepenguins | i just use sudo with aptitude |
| 23:23.49 | purplepenguins | i like sudo a lot and i'm used to systems where it is default (openbsd) |
| 23:23.53 | o2T7 | purplepenguins: not all aptitude actions require root privileges |
| 23:24.01 | purplepenguins | i know that! |
| 23:24.09 | abrotman | purplepenguins: yes, it does |
| 23:24.12 | purplepenguins | but for aptitude search it makes no difference |
| 23:24.37 | abrotman | purplepenguins: it's a *really* bad habit |
| 23:24.48 | rgr | Anyone here using sopcast successfulyl? Just tried it and its awful - really slow, jerky frame updates. Tried various channels and all were rendered terribly. |
| 23:24.55 | abrotman | if you're just going to stick 'sudo' in front of every command .. might as well just run everything as root |
| 23:24.57 | purplepenguins | abrotman: you can judge me if you want, but really i don't need your nagging |
| 23:25.03 | cast | most of #ubuntu seems to think everything requires prefixing with sudo |
| 23:25.08 | rgr | running as su is bad advice. |
| 23:25.09 | themill | rgr: submit patches |
| 23:25.16 | cast | rgr: no, it's not. |
| 23:25.20 | purplepenguins | and you're thinking that i tell people to use sudo for everything just because i did it once |
| 23:25.22 | rgr | yes it is. |
| 23:25.38 | nsadmin | the good habit is to have people see why they need root privs for something and see what can be done to grant them use of the resource without granting root |
| 23:25.50 | rgr | only run the things you need to do as root as root. opening as su is bad practice in the norm unless you are a top notch admin and if you were then you would know the risks. |
| 23:25.51 | nsadmin | the less you' |
| 23:25.58 | nsadmin | re rooot the better |
| 23:26.04 | cast | rgr: oh, i see you put an unless in there now, |
| 23:26.30 | rgr | and then added "and then you would know better". Running su or advising that is poor to say the least. |
| 23:26.41 | cast | rgr: person with no understanding of the risks is going to fuckup sudo as well as su. |
| 23:26.51 | rgr | Most people are not top nothc admins and sudo is much less risky. |
| 23:27.05 | themill | rgr: do you even know what this conversation was about? |
| 23:27.06 | rgr | cast: nonsense. People forget they are in su and an erroneous rm etc can kill the system. |
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| 23:27.17 | rgr | themill: its now about su v sudo. |
| 23:27.22 | cast | palms face |
| 23:27.34 | purplepenguins | anyways where did |bananahands| go... |
| 23:27.42 | rgr | cast: keep it there :-; |
| 23:27.46 | cast | can't honestly remember the last time i went # rm -fr / instead of $ rm -fr / |
| 23:27.50 | themill | rgr: you were the first person to bring up "su". |
| 23:27.50 | rgr | aynway, nighty night. |
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| 23:27.55 | nsadmin | HEY!! stop palming my face! |
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| 23:28.12 | rgr | just saw that msg - no I wasnt. |
| 23:28.34 | cast | rgr: the person you describe shouldn't have access to sudo, either |
| 23:28.41 | nsadmin | certainly not the first ever |
| 23:28.50 | rgr | how childishly naive you sound. We all make mistakes. |
| 23:29.10 | safemode | well, since policykit-gnome-authorization is apparently the defacto ui for modifying policykit values, and since it's completely useless in debian unstable right now, the .conf file is a nice and easy way around it. match user , return yes :) |
| 23:29.14 | rgr | and NOT doing them in su reduces the risks considerably. You're crazy to deny that. its WHY sudo exists. or one of ther easons. |
| 23:29.21 | |bananahands| | purplepenguins: looking up similar problems online... |
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| 23:29.26 | cast | often i'll have a whole string of commands to run that require root, sudo is just going to give me rsi |
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| 23:30.00 | |bananahands| | I am pretty much lost here |
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| 23:30.14 | |bananahands| | I have fglrx in aptitude search, not installed, I switched xorg.conf to vesa |
| 23:30.17 | cast | though it depends how i've configured sudo, if i've set it up restrictively, ill have to run visudo and add all the commands i need to run - now editing sudoers is another scope for error |
| 23:30.19 | |bananahands| | eh... |
| 23:31.05 | nsadmin | ok look... guys n gals, you're arguing a point that I think has a different argument from both of your sides... the argument is: since someone isn't clued enough, he shouldn't be root, and you can't assume that |
| 23:31.43 | nsadmin | it depends -strongly- on what the machine is used for, for one thing, and the purpose the person is running linux |
| 23:31.44 | cast | nsadmin: sure. and both su and sudo grant root priviledges |
| 23:32.08 | nsadmin | as do other things, but that's not the point I'm making |
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| 23:32.37 | themill | and the one guy who actually wanted to argue (without actually reading anything, as usual) has already /part-ed some minutes ago |
| 23:32.38 | oreo | What's the linux equivalent of solaris zones? |
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| 23:32.44 | cast | :( |
| 23:33.00 | mcgreg | any one has an idea if I can use mencoder for threaded (4 cores) encoding? |
| 23:33.01 | cast | oreo: vservers, openvz |
| 23:33.07 | abrotman | oreo: isn't really an equivalent .. but there are things close |
| 23:33.10 | |bananahands| | slams face into keyboard repeatedly |
| 23:33.20 | nsadmin | what if someone who's been in dosland or win for a long time and has NO clue at all about linux... decides to install debian (or something) and here he is asking stuff... |
| 23:33.26 | oreo | yeah i guess openvz is the closest |
| 23:34.11 | nsadmin | assuming he's here and he's generally stated that much, I contend there's not enough information yet to decide he should never be root |
| 23:34.11 | cast | nsadmin: then we advise him of a good book |
| 23:34.46 | purplepenguins | ideally, this person would read the guide |
| 23:35.04 | |bananahands| | there are SO many guides |
| 23:35.18 | purplepenguins | i'm pretty sure there is one on debian.org |
| 23:35.32 | nsadmin | perhaps, but he can still be helped here IF you know how to proceed, and I still say there's not enough info to decide how |
| 23:35.40 | cast | nsadmin: it's his computer, he can be whatever he likes. coming from windows land he's probably used to reinstalling a lot :) |
| 23:35.40 | nsadmin | here are the cases: |
| 23:36.06 | |bananahands| | I am leaving, maybe people will help me some other time |
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| 23:36.07 | purplepenguins | but if this person knows nothing about debian, irc isn't the best place to go first, it's better to have specific questions |
| 23:36.08 | nsadmin | cast: there's not yet that information either :) |
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| 23:37.03 | nsadmin | if it's his box, AND noone else uses it AND it doesn't have any server daemons running, |
| 23:37.20 | purplepenguins | besides the usual ones |
| 23:38.22 | cast | yeah, besides apache |
| 23:38.31 | nsadmin | then he can have as much fun as he wants, reinstalling it 500 times that day, maybe he learns a lot the first 25 times, he can run rf-rm/ as much as he wants, or weaker forms of the same thing to see how it breaks, etc |
| 23:38.45 | purplepenguins | i don't think apache is default |
| 23:39.00 | nsadmin | that person would obviously have an adventurous spirit, and not care anything about the data on the box |
| 23:39.02 | mcgreg | any one has an idea if I can use mencoder for threaded (4 cores) encoding? |
| 23:39.05 | mcgreg | argh |
| 23:39.09 | mcgreg | sry for repeating |
| 23:39.23 | cast | nsadmin: really, its not our responsibility. we're not babysitters of other peoples computers. i tell people how i do things, other people will tell people how they should do things |
| 23:39.26 | nsadmin | I think it's a -travesty- to deny this person anything |
| 23:39.30 | cast | s/should/would |
| 23:40.04 | themill | mcgreg: man mencoder /thread seems to imply yes |
| 23:40.11 | nsadmin | another case, still his box, still adventurous, but cares about his data |
| 23:40.36 | purplepenguins | ideanlly his data is on a separate hard drive from his linux install |
| 23:41.07 | nsadmin | perhaps that's true perhaps not (maybe it was copied onto the linux drive) |
| 23:41.26 | nsadmin | but either way, he has to be careful if he wants to keep his data |
| 23:41.31 | purplepenguins | well, best to educate him on the dangers of rm -rf |
| 23:41.35 | cast | if it's important to him he'd have a backup. |
| 23:41.56 | nsadmin | cast: if he's clueless, can't assume that |
| 23:41.58 | cast | that's not debian specific knowledge, coming from windows i'm sure they'd be aware. |
| 23:42.14 | purplepenguins | and since reinstall isn't an option, to be weary of installing things that could break stuff, like packages from outside the official repos |
| 23:42.45 | nsadmin | anyway, so for this case, he starts having to be careful, he needs info about backing up including strategies, tactics and planning |
| 23:42.49 | aaron__ | !xsane |
| 23:42.50 | dpkg | [sane] Scanner Access Now Easy, an <API> for scanner access. Packaged for Debian as 'sane', 'xsane' (GUI frontends) and 'sane-utils' (CLI frontend, saned server). Supported device list: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html . FAQ: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljm/SANE-faq.html . To use over a network, see http://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork . http://www.sane-project.org/ #sane at irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:43.02 | cast | nsadmin: really, at this point before you tell anyone anything you're going to have to go through a big interview process about their knowledge, setup, responsibilities, data, |
| 23:43.42 | nsadmin | it's either ask about his purpose or tell everyone not to be root |
| 23:43.45 | cast | nsadmin: when all they might need is a # cat /dev/zero > /dev/sdb |
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| 23:44.04 | themill | cast: perhaps we could adopt such an interview as a precondition to "/join #debian". |
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| 23:44.24 | purplepenguins | or to tell them godspeed and good luck |
| 23:44.50 | nsadmin | themill: that's not going to be scalable, because the same person could be in more than one category due to more than one machine |
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| 23:45.24 | cast | nsadmin: his precious unbackedup data is very likely to be under a user account, thus root or not not sufficent |
| 23:45.38 | cast | nsadmin: really, you shouldn't be telling him to do anything as his normal user either |
| 23:45.39 | nsadmin | I -OFTEN- ask the question "what brings you to ... debien, or linux" |
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| 23:46.33 | nsadmin | cast: it's just part of a general case... adventurous spirit has data he wants to keep. |
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| 23:47.41 | cast | seems all more work than it's worth. |
| 23:47.44 | nsadmin | the next category, howbout we go to the other extreme: this is a server he is supposed to run for work, and he needs to be very careful because it serves 10,000 workers and he wants to keep his job |
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| 23:47.53 | cast | this is an IRC channel, not mission control |
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| 23:48.03 | acidslep | puts up the mission control banner |
| 23:48.10 | acidslep | welcome to mission control! |
| 23:48.20 | acidslep | can i get you some coffee? |
| 23:48.21 | nsadmin | that would be the banner for this type |
| 23:48.23 | cast | thats his problem. and hopefully he'd have a fucking clue if he's running a mission critical server |
| 23:48.33 | purplepenguins | why would someone that is unfamiliar with debian put in charge of a mission-critical debian server |
| 23:48.37 | abrotman | could we move on now ? |
| 23:48.44 | acidslep | yes abrotman |
| 23:48.46 | nsadmin | cast: can't assume that either |
| 23:49.06 | cast | i'd only feel slightly bad if i accidently said something that wiped out his server and his remote site backups :) |
| 23:49.17 | acidslep | im getting terrible internetwork speeds |
| 23:49.23 | purplepenguins | surely he will have pointed specific queries but he won't need homilies about sudo and su |
| 23:49.29 | nsadmin | but here, all the stuff about "be very careful about root" and "we're not even telling you rm exists" apply |
| 23:49.50 | acidslep | what is this "rm"? |
| 23:50.06 | purplepenguins | rm /bin/rm |
| 23:50.11 | acidslep | lol |
| 23:50.42 | purplepenguins | or how about cat /dev/urandom > /bin/cat |
| 23:50.52 | nevyn | nice.. |
| 23:50.57 | nsadmin | the thing is it's only going to take 1 or 2 extra questions to find out what to do |
| 23:51.03 | abrotman | could we move on now ? |
| 23:51.07 | purplepenguins | two things to not try, at all, if you value your system |
| 23:51.13 | acidslep | you and i did, abrotman |
| 23:51.22 | cast | purplepenguins: trivial to fix :) |
| 23:51.36 | abrotman | or you can all move to #debian-offtopic for an extended nonsensical conversation |
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| 23:52.04 | purplepenguins | well, neither cat nor rm are things that will crash your system |
| 23:52.10 | nsadmin | if you assume it's nonsense then you're not serving the population |
| 23:52.14 | acidslep | its not nonsensical, just not very topical |
| 23:52.15 | abrotman | MOVE ON |
| 23:52.15 | purplepenguins | deleting /bin would be harder to fix |
| 23:52.40 | purplepenguins | deleting /bin and /usr, a good bit worse |
| 23:52.47 | cast | the thing about deleting stuff like that is its all on the debian mirrors |
| 23:53.02 | abrotman | purplepenguins: cast stop this already ... |
| 23:53.02 | cast | doesn't even bother backing up such bits |
| 23:53.26 | cast | a wizard! |
| 23:53.33 | cast | ok but only because you threatened magic :( |
| 23:53.58 | purplepenguins | my root partition is a lot bigger than it need be |
| 23:54.18 | nsadmin | the reason I bring it up in the first place: I find it mean-spirited to deny the root thing without knowing more about the person's purpose, and I'm prepared to file formal complaints if I see it |
| 23:54.23 | cast | back to my lvm problem, how would one clear out /dev/vg/lv entries that apply to a device that was violently unplugged? |
| 23:54.45 | cast | it's not there anymore, so anything trying to touch it gets a bunch of IO errors |
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| 23:55.55 | nsadmin | cast: try pvscan |
| 23:56.30 | BlueG | when I install a kernel update, I am not prompted for reboot? Do I need to reboot to get the updated kernel running, or are we already using ksplice or something? |
| 23:56.41 | Bohemian | how long does partitioning take in debian? |
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| 23:57.05 | cast | nsadmin: lots of IO errors |
| 23:57.13 | nsadmin | about 2-5 mins per partition if you already know what you want |
| 23:57.14 | cast | Bohemian: very fast |
| 23:57.41 | Bohemian | alright. it's hanging at creating ext3 file system for / in partition 1 of lvm vg vladimir lv root at about 35% |
| 23:57.45 | Bohemian | should i be concerned? |
| 23:58.11 | nsadmin | cast: hmm. |
| 23:58.12 | Bohemian | nvm :) |
| 23:58.34 | purplepenguins | BlueG: typically a reboot is required |
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| 23:59.15 | purplepenguins | i don't think debian is using ksplice yet |
| 23:59.22 | purplepenguins | surely not stable |
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| 23:59.32 | nsadmin | cast: looks like pvscan doesn't remove entries |
