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| 00:00.14 | cast | nsadmin: yip. |
| 00:00.19 | Bohemian | to configure alsa with debian, just enter alsactl init as root, and that's it? will that do 5.1 sound? most of the info i'm finding on google is 5+ years old... |
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| 00:00.40 | BlueG | purplepenguins: I wonder when we can expect to see ksplice. and why I don't get prompted to reboot when security vulnerabilities are found in the kernel. |
| 00:00.47 | swathanthran | which configuration file deals with the default window manager in gnome? gconf-editor still says about /usr/bin/metacity but compiz keeps loading and its not properly configured and result i get borderless windows.. |
| 00:00.51 | nsadmin | cast: which seems to be a design error... but before we go there, |
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| 00:01.03 | purplepenguins | what would be the agent that prompts you to reboot? |
| 00:01.09 | nsadmin | cast: violently removed? meaning from a running system? |
| 00:01.14 | cast | nsadmin: aye |
| 00:01.20 | purplepenguins | so far as i know, debian has never prompted you to reboot ever |
| 00:01.28 | nsadmin | and the pv/vg/lvs were active? |
| 00:01.34 | cast | BlueG: bit of the admins responsibility |
| 00:01.38 | cast | nsadmin: yip. |
| 00:01.46 | purplepenguins | though ubuntu had the "reboot required for changes to take effect" or something |
| 00:01.46 | BlueG | purplepenguins, whichever interface was used to install the update. |
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| 00:02.05 | purplepenguins | apt has never done that to my knowledge |
| 00:02.40 | purplepenguins | hmm, i wonder how many kernel updates i am behind... |
| 00:02.45 | BlueG | yea, that is what I am thinking of, just a little message suggesting you might want to reboot and your system might be vulnerable to attack until you do. |
| 00:03.31 | nsadmin | BlueG: might be nice... but how would a kernel know it's vulnerable? |
| 00:04.18 | purplepenguins | well, ideally when apt updates, and sees a new kernel available as a security update, it was say that the current kernel is vulnerable |
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| 00:05.11 | BlueG | exactly |
| 00:05.13 | cast | i could reboot to clear out the old LVM entries but that seems a silly way |
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| 00:07.22 | acidslep | ok, ive determined one factor of my major slowdown |
| 00:07.26 | acidslep | its the wireless |
| 00:07.52 | donkeyofdarkness | = O |
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| 00:08.34 | acidslep | what was that? |
| 00:08.46 | simonrvn | a netsplit.. |
| 00:08.49 | nsadmin | purplepenguins: I think the trigger should be based on the kernel you're running... that is, if an update notices that uname -r names a vulnerable kernel, then it says something |
| 00:09.10 | acidslep | oh right, thanks simon, i have not been on irc for a while now |
| 00:09.12 | purplepenguins | that would be preferrable, actually |
| 00:09.34 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:09.44 | BlueG | nsadmin: good point. |
| 00:10.13 | nsadmin | perhaps that could be built into make-kpkg somehow |
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| 00:10.31 | bpun | hi |
| 00:10.37 | BlueG | isn't there a mailing list you can signup to get notified of debian security vulnerabilities? |
| 00:10.47 | cast | yes, there is. |
| 00:10.48 | nsadmin | probably |
| 00:10.49 | bpun | wondering, how new is the ntfsresize in the debian installer? (is this only available to the debian.exe method of installation?) |
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| 00:11.29 | bpun | i tested it today (debian.exe method) .. < very flawless |
| 00:11.30 | bpun | :) |
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| 00:12.17 | bpun | i assume we all use netinst.iso or similar.. i tested debian.exe, and i have to say it's perfectly stable.. no iso is needed :) |
| 00:12.19 | Titan8990 | if i find ntfs partitions i usually delete them :) |
| 00:12.23 | simonrvn | !dsa |
| 00:12.23 | dpkg | it has been said that dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ , or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers. |
| 00:12.40 | simonrvn | BlueG: ^^^ |
| 00:12.55 | bpun | Titan8990, true, but in order to win over more users.. it's very flawless.. i was impressed.. been using debian for number years.. |
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| 00:13.10 | iofafo | hey guys, I'm having a next to impossible time installing nfs-common via `apt-get install nfs-common` ( Bubuntu 8.04 ) ... I'm getting the followeing error: " invoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-common, action "start" failed." ... does anyone have a clue what might be wrong here? |
| 00:13.10 | adfasdf | hi i'm having trouble with wine recently after an update. Here is what i get when i run winecfg. :http://pastebin.com/m332884cf |
| 00:13.15 | acidslep | could wireless speed be hurt by using a generic driver? i am using a ppc iBook with airport. |
| 00:13.18 | adfasdf | http://pastebin.com/m332884cf |
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| 00:13.31 | oreo | What filesystem do you guys recommend for a home file + web server. The setup will use LVM on top of software RAID. Please highlight me in your answer, thanks. |
| 00:14.45 | cast | oreo: if you decide to use XFS and want to use SELinux in the future, double the default inode size |
| 00:14.53 | swathanthran | i am not having xorg.conf now, in this default install but my touchpad don't have scrolling and all.. so adding the corresponding things on xorg.conf should solve it right? or is some other way is desired to configure it? |
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| 00:15.13 | oreo | cast: what will using the default value do? |
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| 00:15.50 | cast | use 256bytes |
| 00:16.16 | oreo | cast: "xfs is designed for heavy loads in servers.. it caches heavily so it recovers quite poorly from crashes (and power outages)" |
| 00:16.27 | iofafo | hey guys, I'm on lenny, and I"m trying to install nfs-common, initscript errors, anyone help? |
| 00:17.04 | nsadmin | iofafo: first figure why the error occurs |
| 00:17.33 | nevyn | oreo: WTF? |
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| 00:17.53 | nevyn | define recovers... |
| 00:17.54 | oreo | nevyn: what's up? |
| 00:17.56 | iofafo | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/d569722b9 |
| 00:17.57 | honschu | hiho |
| 00:18.09 | honschu | Does anybody use FVWM? |
| 00:18.13 | oreo | i got that from Triffid_Hunter on ##linux |
| 00:18.34 | cast | oreo: ahh, google and read for a bit |
| 00:18.53 | oreo | cast: it's not that easy; many random posts |
| 00:19.03 | oreo | which is why i'm asking on freenode |
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| 00:19.19 | donkeyofdarkness | meh |
| 00:19.22 | donkeyofdarkness | they're all good |
| 00:19.28 | donkeyofdarkness | just don't use NTFS |
| 00:19.33 | oreo | haha ^^ |
| 00:19.47 | cast | reiserfs/xfs/ext3 would all be fine, some will do some operations much much faster |
| 00:19.53 | oreo | I wish either ZFS was available as a kernel patch or btrfs was stable |
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| 00:20.06 | nevyn | oreo: xfs integrity recovery is garunteed |
| 00:20.12 | antii | How can I see what intel driver version I got?? |
| 00:20.18 | iofafo | nsadmin: any clue? |
| 00:20.24 | nevyn | but as somone who used to work on XFS says... |
| 00:20.29 | nevyn | nobody cares about your data... |
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| 00:20.44 | oreo | nevyn: explain |
| 00:21.07 | cast | reiserfs recovery used to have a problem if you had a reiserfs image on your reiserfs filesystem, |
| 00:21.10 | nevyn | oreo: the integrity of the filesystem is recovered instantly (no fsck) |
| 00:21.22 | nevyn | however.. |
| 00:21.27 | cast | s/recovery/fsck or similar, i forgets |
| 00:21.38 | oreo | nevyn: i meant about the "nobody cares about your data" |
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| 00:21.47 | BlueG | debian.exe, is that the one at goodbye-microsoft.com or something? |
| 00:21.48 | nsadmin | iofafo: so it failed when starting the utilities... then the question becomes what utilities does it start and why (individually) do one or more fail? |
| 00:22.00 | iofafo | nsadmin: now when I look in daemon.log I see rpc.statd[4001]: unable to register (statd, 1, udp). .... any clue why that might be ? |
| 00:22.03 | nevyn | oh.. all filesystems tradeoff and apps use filesystem api's incorrectly etc |
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| 00:22.26 | nevyn | no filesystem in existance does data journaling |
| 00:22.30 | nevyn | it's too expensive |
| 00:22.31 | nsadmin | got portmapper installed? |
| 00:22.41 | iofafo | nope |
| 00:22.51 | nsadmin | install that :) |
| 00:22.57 | nevyn | so while the metadata is transactionally consistant.. the data is very much not. |
| 00:23.07 | iofafo | okay, sorry i did |
| 00:23.09 | iofafo | now what? |
| 00:23.25 | oreo | nevyn: ZFS and btrfs do live checksumming |
| 00:23.50 | cast | nevyn: hmm, what does data=journal do with with ext3? |
| 00:24.07 | nevyn | ok.. so there are filesystems that can do it. |
| 00:24.16 | nevyn | performance suffers horrendously if you do. |
| 00:24.33 | cast | burns nevyn at with a steak |
| 00:24.54 | oreo | nevyn: zfs doesn't have a bad performance, actually |
| 00:25.04 | oreo | and there's no partitionning with it too =) |
| 00:25.05 | nevyn | not zfs.. |
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| 00:25.11 | nevyn | ext3 data=journal |
| 00:25.27 | nevyn | combining the volume manager and the filesystem is neat |
| 00:25.30 | nevyn | I do like that. |
| 00:25.40 | donkeyofdarkness | I use ext4 on my laptop. I'm pretty happy with it |
| 00:25.43 | iofafo | nsadmin: any clue? I'm googling away here |
| 00:25.49 | nsadmin | iofafo, try dpkg --configure --pending |
| 00:26.44 | iofafo | trying |
| 00:26.59 | iofafo | failed with same error |
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| 00:27.32 | nsadmin | what are you presently trying to accomplish? |
| 00:27.45 | MrWax | hmm i created a .py script, started the file with #!/usr/bin/env python .. next lines executed some functions .. did chmod u+rx script.py but am still unable to execute the script with ./script.py - any idea what i am doing wrong? |
| 00:27.49 | MrWax | : No such file or directory i get |
| 00:28.17 | iofafo | nsadmin: getting /etc/init.d/nfs-common start to work |
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| 00:28.40 | nsadmin | and when you do that, what purpose will that serve? |
| 00:29.08 | iofafo | what? |
| 00:29.22 | iofafo | I need nfs installed |
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| 00:29.29 | crzedmonk | hell |
| 00:29.30 | crzedmonk | o |
| 00:29.31 | crzedmonk | woah |
| 00:29.34 | crzedmonk | sorry |
| 00:29.34 | simonrvn | MrWax: you a) in the right dir. b) check if env is there (should be) |
| 00:29.50 | crzedmonk | what are the big advantages of having lenny linux over ubuntu? |
| 00:29.58 | nsadmin | let's see... |
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| 00:30.10 | cast | MrWax: hmm, works fine on my dir, is python installed? |
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| 00:30.13 | iofafo | nsadmin: any clue? |
| 00:30.26 | nsadmin | crzedmonk what purpose would you put it to? |
| 00:30.45 | nsadmin | judd, versions nfs-kernel-server |
| 00:30.46 | judd | nsadmin: nfs-kernel-server -- etch: 1:1.0.10-6+etch.1 lenny: 1:1.1.2-6lenny1 squeeze: 1:1.2.0-2 sid: 1:1.2.0-3 |
| 00:30.57 | Bohemian | with the default install does gnome install automatically? i forgot what option i picked when asked what type of computer this was |
| 00:30.58 | markybob | crzedmonk, /msg dpkg why debian |
| 00:31.01 | markybob | crzedmonk, http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7297 |
| 00:31.04 | Bohemian | i see some gnome dependencies |
| 00:31.22 | nsadmin | iofafo: try installing nfs-kernel-server |
| 00:31.34 | iofafo | I did |
| 00:31.38 | iofafo | nfs-kernel-server depends on nfs-common (>= 1:1.0.8-1); however: |
| 00:31.44 | iofafo | it's not configured yet |
| 00:31.50 | iofafo | that error is halting me |
| 00:32.19 | iofafo | nsadmin: now when I look in daemon.log I see rpc.statd[4001]: unable to register (statd, 1, udp). .... |
| 00:32.25 | nsadmin | ok, so you have to find out why in increasing detail until you see the problem and the solution |
| 00:32.26 | iofafo | which is why nfs-common can't start |
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| 00:33.27 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r? |
| 00:33.39 | iofafo | oh crap |
| 00:33.41 | iofafo | check this out |
| 00:33.56 | iofafo | when I run rpcinfo -p |
| 00:33.57 | iofafo | rpcinfo -p |
| 00:33.57 | iofafo | rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused |
| 00:34.19 | nsadmin | oh, try stopping the commmon and restarting it |
| 00:34.40 | iofafo | via? |
| 00:34.43 | nsadmin | so the portmapper is installed now... probably things are stuck |
| 00:35.00 | nsadmin | hmm. do you have the fiel /etc/init.d/nfs-common ? |
| 00:35.05 | iofafo | yea |
| 00:35.17 | iofafo | I just did /etc/init.d/portmap start/stop |
| 00:35.17 | Bohemian | how do i tell X to start xfce4? |
| 00:35.24 | iofafo | oh shit |
| 00:35.26 | iofafo | that worked!!! |
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| 00:35.58 | nsadmin | cool, you figured it out :) |
| 00:36.43 | iofafo | yea, thanks man :) |
| 00:36.43 | nsadmin | you needed the portmapper, and possibly you needed to stop the portmapper and the -common, and restart them in reverse of that order |
| 00:36.47 | iofafo | jesus fuck that was difficult |
| 00:36.52 | iofafo | well, portmapper was installed the whole time |
| 00:36.58 | iofafo | it was just that someone was messed up with it |
| 00:37.00 | iofafo | I'm not sure why |
| 00:37.00 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 00:37.16 | iofafo | but you were right, it _was_ portmapper in the end, albeit it was already installed :P |
| 00:37.35 | iofafo | what purpose does portmapper serve in linux? |
| 00:37.46 | nsadmin | it helps with sun rpc |
| 00:37.58 | nsadmin | which nfs and nis both use |
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| 00:38.14 | iofafo | interesting |
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| 00:38.25 | cast | iofafo: to annoy cast, too |
| 00:38.30 | Bohemian | is firefox3 not in ports? |
| 00:38.41 | MrWax | cast: yes simonrvn: yes |
| 00:38.42 | Bohemian | i did apt-get install firefox and it gave me a file not found error |
| 00:38.44 | markybob | ports? this isnt bsd |
| 00:38.45 | nsadmin | not by that name |
| 00:38.48 | alpine_milk | for firefox 3.5 use ubuntuzilla |
| 00:39.02 | markybob | bohanlon, /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 00:39.13 | abrotman | wrong guy |
| 00:40.25 | nsadmin | iofafo: more specifically... it holds a list of registrations of ports->services pairs |
| 00:40.32 | Bohemian | thanks |
| 00:40.43 | Bohemian | how do i tell X when i type startx to start xfce4 and not gnome? |
| 00:40.46 | abrotman | Bohemian: you can get IW3.5.x for debian if you really want it |
| 00:41.02 | Bohemian | what is iceweasal? i'm reading about it now, but what is it? |
| 00:41.08 | Bohemian | does debian not like firefox? |
| 00:41.13 | cast | Bohemian: i use .xinitrc |
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| 00:41.25 | Bohemian | cast: where is xinitrc on debian? |
| 00:41.29 | nsadmin | debian can't use the name "firefox" |
| 00:41.35 | abrotman | !tell Bohemian about why iceweasel |
| 00:41.49 | cast | Bohemian: you create it, in ~/ |
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| 00:42.29 | Bohemian | cast: in root, or the home usr dir? |
| 00:42.33 | simonrvn | MrWax: you running it with ./ ? |
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| 00:42.58 | cast | Bohemian: user, else i would have said /root/ :P |
| 00:43.02 | nsadmin | not sure if ~/.xinitrc works, or ~/.xsession but probably one or the other does |
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| 00:43.11 | simonrvn | if you don't it's going to search your $PATH for it... |
| 00:43.27 | Bohemian | just type in "startxfce4" ? |
| 00:43.35 | cast | right, gotta reboot to clear out these lvm lvs D: |
| 00:43.42 | simonrvn | .xsession, but i usually symlink .xinitrc to .xsession ;) |
| 00:43.43 | cast | one question before i go |
| 00:44.16 | cast | how does one purge XFS of selinux labels? i have an overhead of 4k per file due to them |
| 00:45.08 | MrWax | simonrvn: yes |
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| 00:47.36 | Bohemian | i can't save a file in ~/.xinitrc - saying permission denied |
| 00:47.38 | Bohemian | what do i do? |
| 00:47.55 | bpun | Bohemian, that's a file |
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| 00:48.07 | Bohemian | bpun: right... |
| 00:48.20 | bpun | Bohemian, ~/.xinitrc is a file |
| 00:48.37 | Bohemian | okay. i can't edit it |
| 00:48.45 | purplepenguins | check the permissions |
| 00:49.15 | bpun | Bohemian, just use nautilus to check the permissions |
| 00:49.39 | iofafo | nsadmin: still around? |
| 00:49.53 | iofafo | I'm getting yet another crazy error |
| 00:50.11 | iofafo | so... "showmount -e" is showing me.. portmap getport: RPC success |
| 00:50.17 | iofafo | which I have no clue why it's saying that |
| 00:50.55 | iofafo | and also, which is just as strange, when I try to mount the drive, I get 'mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'localhost' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered' |
| 00:51.05 | iofafo | ( i'm trying to mount locally ) |
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| 00:51.07 | iofafo | any clue on this ? |
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| 00:52.45 | nommurk | rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4 bytes to socket [sender]: Broken pipe (32) |
| 00:52.47 | nommurk | rsync: write failed on "/mnt/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/char/rocket.ko": No space left on device (28) |
| 00:52.48 | nommurk | What does the above mean? |
| 00:54.00 | markybob | nommurk, "no space left on device" ....uh..i wonder |
| 00:54.04 | markybob | maybe, what it says ? |
| 00:55.06 | purplepenguins | nommurk: the device you were writing to is full for some reason, you must not have given it enough room when it was partitioned |
| 00:55.16 | antii | So annoying... |
| 00:55.48 | antii | I can only start my X from bash now, cause of this error: [drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0, what can it be? :/ |
| 00:56.13 | purplepenguins | try putting it into a google search |
| 00:56.31 | purplepenguins | the error suggests it's a problem with the intel graphics driver |
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| 00:56.39 | Bohemian | hm, i edited .xinitrc and typed in "startxfce4" and rebooted, and while xdm loads up, gnome still shows up as the GUI, not xfce4. help? |
| 00:57.07 | purplepenguins | Bohemian: i don't think that you can choose xfce as the DE through xinitrc |
| 00:57.15 | purplepenguins | do you have gdm installed? |
| 00:57.17 | Bohemian | purplepenguins: then through where? |
| 00:57.21 | Bohemian | yes, gdm and xdm |
| 00:57.25 | Bohemian | i have xdm picked as default |
| 00:57.29 | purplepenguins | there might be a sessions tab that allows you to choose which one |
| 00:57.33 | purplepenguins | use gdm |
| 00:57.55 | Bohemian | why? i don't like gnome |
| 00:58.01 | purplepenguins | it has a drop down box where you can choose GNOME or Xfce |
| 00:58.09 | purplepenguins | You don't have to use GNOME to use gdm |
| 00:58.26 | purplepenguins | gdm is just a program that allows you to log in |
| 00:58.40 | purplepenguins | but unlike xdm, it has a selector for choosing a different window manager |
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| 00:59.09 | Bohemian | how do i set gdm then? |
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| 01:00.15 | purplepenguins | I think that update-alternatives might do it |
| 01:00.16 | purplepenguins | not sure |
| 01:00.22 | Bohemian | got it |
| 01:00.31 | Bohemian | had to set .xsession not .xinitrc |
| 01:00.35 | purplepenguins | huh |
| 01:00.49 | Bohemian | set ~/.xsession to startxfce4 and it works with xdm |
| 01:01.14 | purplepenguins | that's good |
| 01:01.29 | purplepenguins | but you have to edit it again if you want to use gnome again |
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| 01:01.52 | Bohemian | true |
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| 01:03.53 | keith4_ | I have a debian system booting off a CF card that doesn't seem to work correctly with DMA on. How do I disable it permanently? |
| 01:04.56 | Bohemian | i am trying to set up sound. i just did alsactl init and says unknown command 'init' ? |
| 01:05.04 | markybob | keith4, set up hdparm |
| 01:05.17 | adb | alsaconf .. |
| 01:05.25 | Bohemian | not available anymore adb |
| 01:05.26 | keith4_ | markybob, I've tried 'hdparm -d0 /dev/hda', but it doesn't seem to persist across reboots |
| 01:05.40 | adb | Bohemian: lenny ? |
| 01:05.47 | keith4_ | must be squeeze |
| 01:06.03 | markybob | keith4, you need to add it to /etc/hdparm.conf |
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| 01:06.29 | bpun | !squeeze |
| 01:06.29 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 Will be known as Debian 6.0. |
| 01:06.37 | markybob | keith4_, add it to /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 01:06.39 | bpun | keith4, squeeze is not out |
| 01:06.41 | Bohemian | adb: lenny |
| 01:06.50 | keith4_ | markybob, ah, brilliant |
| 01:06.56 | keith4_ | Bohemian, alsaconf exists in lenny |
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| 01:06.57 | adb | Bohemian: install alsa-utils |
| 01:07.02 | Bohemian | according to the wiki alsaconf is not available and when i type that, it says file not found |
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| 01:07.03 | Bohemian | okay |
| 01:07.20 | keith4_ | it's part of alsa-utils |
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| 01:08.10 | adb | dpkg: tell Bohemian -about apt-file |
| 01:08.12 | Open | hi, what's a good, prominent gui ftp client? |
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| 01:08.33 | Bohemian | does xmms have a port on dbeian? when i do apt-get install xmms it says not available |
| 01:08.49 | markybob | Open, gftp or filezilla |
| 01:08.53 | adb | dpkg: tell Bohemian -about search |
| 01:09.02 | Bohemian | i see the search adb |
| 01:09.05 | Bohemian | i want xmms - not a plugin |
| 01:09.31 | keith4_ | has it been replaced with xmms2? |
| 01:09.35 | markybob | Bohemian, it's xmms2 ...which search would have shown you |
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| 01:10.05 | Bohemian | oh, i missed that |
| 01:10.07 | Bohemian | sorry |
| 01:11.03 | abrotman | Bohemian: you probably want audacious, not xmms2 |
| 01:11.34 | Bohemian | well, i prefer banshee but i just need to test out to see if alsa works |
| 01:11.36 | Bohemian | alsa works |
| 01:11.37 | Bohemian | :) |
| 01:12.02 | keith4_ | usually uses mplayer to test alsa |
| 01:12.19 | abrotman | use soundtest ? |
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| 01:12.29 | Bohemian | is there flash10 available for adm64? |
| 01:12.40 | donkeyofdarkness | I think so |
| 01:12.45 | donkeyofdarkness | yeah |
| 01:12.52 | donkeyofdarkness | It's beta but it works ok |
| 01:13.11 | markybob | Bohemian, again, search |
| 01:13.33 | abrotman | i think it's alpha |
| 01:13.51 | Bohemian | what is flashplugin-nonfree mean? |
| 01:13.51 | markybob | Bohemian, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:13.53 | Bohemian | it's licensed? |
| 01:14.07 | keith4_ | it's not... free |
| 01:14.22 | cast | it's proprietary software |
| 01:14.48 | cast | it fails the DFSG |
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| 01:15.07 | Bohemian | so gnash is a free substitute? |
| 01:15.16 | abrotman | FSVO substitute |
| 01:15.42 | markybob | which doesnt work for most sites that require flash 9 or 10 |
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| 01:15.59 | Bohemian | so is there any free version of flash 10? |
| 01:16.03 | cast | i dont use flash, makes the internet better :) |
| 01:16.05 | abrotman | free or Free ? |
| 01:16.05 | Bohemian | or the equiv.? |
| 01:16.13 | Bohemian | um? |
| 01:16.16 | markybob | Bohemian, no. |
| 01:16.35 | abrotman | the adobe one is free to use .. it's just not DFSG compliant |
| 01:16.37 | markybob | Bohemian, we're not talking cost...we're talking freedom |
| 01:16.40 | Bohemian | oooh |
| 01:16.43 | Bohemian | heh |
| 01:16.47 | markybob | welcome to #debian |
| 01:16.57 | Bohemian | what makes it nonfree? |
| 01:17.05 | Bohemian | not open source? |
| 01:17.09 | donkeyofdarkness | adobe makes it nonfree |
| 01:17.10 | donkeyofdarkness | :P |
| 01:17.10 | abrotman | there's no source at all .. |
| 01:17.20 | abrotman | and the file format isn't open either |
| 01:17.24 | Titan8990 | bohanlon, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software |
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| 01:18.13 | abrotman | why is his nick so hard ? |
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| 01:18.47 | Bohemian | why doesn't apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree not find the package? |
| 01:19.04 | donkeyofdarkness | enable the repository |
| 01:19.09 | markybob | Bohemian, because your sources.list is wrong |
| 01:19.09 | adb | non-free is missing ? |
| 01:19.26 | Bohemian | how do i enable the repository? |
| 01:19.30 | songer | hello |
| 01:19.38 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.48 | keith4_ | !tell Bohemian about non-free |
| 01:19.56 | donkeyofdarkness | WHO am I doing? |
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| 01:19.58 | donkeyofdarkness | o_O |
| 01:20.02 | nommurk | markybob: indeed, no space left on my hd. the script which i used to rsync my ide hd to my sata hd is writing to the ide hd, making it full. how can this be? |
| 01:20.07 | markybob | we're geeks. we're not doing anyone |
| 01:20.14 | donkeyofdarkness | :P |
| 01:20.17 | Titan8990 | Bohemian, its actually in the backports repo |
| 01:20.24 | Bohemian | not sure what that means... |
| 01:20.46 | jeeves_Moss | how can I send mail from the CLI with mailx? I'm getting stuck on how to actully send the e-mail |
| 01:20.47 | abrotman | !tell Bohemian about bpo |
| 01:20.56 | songer | I have 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 and I can;t install adobeflashplayer |
| 01:21.00 | abrotman | jeeves_Moss: blank line,enter |
| 01:21.14 | abrotman | songer: i don't think that's related |
| 01:21.19 | safemode | i dont know, there's a difference between being a geek and being an unapproachable weirdo. |
| 01:21.42 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman, would the syntax be "mailx -s "subject" <email address>? |
| 01:21.42 | markybob | !cant |
| 01:21.42 | dpkg | Oh yeah? Says who? |
| 01:21.54 | keith4_ | nommurk, sounds like your script is writing to /mnt/something, while the sata disk isn't mounted |
| 01:22.00 | jeeves_Moss | safemode, lol, I find it's easier to not dress like a "geek" and get a hot car |
| 01:22.05 | songer | what can i do? |
| 01:22.05 | keith4_ | umount the sata disk, and look "under" the mount point |
| 01:22.16 | Titan8990 | songer, provide more info |
| 01:22.23 | donkeyofdarkness | Bohemian, http://pastebin.com/m1dc1418f |
| 01:22.26 | D-Boy | is there a mirrors for security.debian.org ? when i try apt-file update i have this error ==> Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 01:22.37 | abrotman | songer: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:22.49 | dondelelcaro | D-Boy: there are multiple mirrors, but sdo doesn't distribute Contents |
| 01:23.00 | Bohemian | thanks, following the advice dpkg gave me now |
| 01:23.02 | dondelelcaro | (and that's really just a warning, not an error) |
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| 01:23.25 | D-Boy | dondelelcaro i dont have to do it again ? (the apt-file update ?) |
| 01:23.38 | songer | it says No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:24.05 | Bohemian | do i need to restart after i install flashplugin-nonfree for settings to take effect? |
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| 01:24.28 | pingouin | how do i prevent the logs from flooding ? it's a kernel options or a config option somewhere in debian ? |
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| 01:24.31 | markybob | Bohemian, dude. you dont even have to restart on windows for flash |
| 01:24.37 | markybob | Bohemian, just the browser |
| 01:24.43 | dondelelcaro | D-Boy: it should just be a warning |
| 01:24.44 | Titan8990 | !tell songer about bpo |
| 01:24.52 | Titan8990 | songer, backports repo |
| 01:25.14 | dondelelcaro | D-Boy: so you can just ignore it and continue on |
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| 01:25.31 | D-Boy | dondelelcaro : oki thx ^^ |
| 01:26.12 | nommurk | keith4 I know the problem. I have not power up the sata before i run the script. what is the safest way to delete all the stuff from /mnt now? |
| 01:26.13 | Titan8990 | abrotman, pm? |
| 01:26.18 | abrotman | sure |
| 01:28.10 | nommurk | will 'rm -r /mnt' delete all stuff from /mnt? |
| 01:28.38 | donkeyofdarkness | yes |
| 01:29.14 | keith4_ | it will also delete the mnt dir |
| 01:29.38 | keith4_ | to prevent that from happening, you might want to make the mnt dir non-writeable |
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| 01:30.19 | nommurk | ok, thks. |
| 01:30.43 | songer | I don't know just wanted to apgrade to kernel 2.6.30 and add 2.6.30 -bpo.1-686 to my sources.list |
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| 01:32.09 | nommurk | what about 'rm -r /mnt/', that will delete all stuff within the dir but leave the dir alone? |
| 01:32.31 | songer | titan8990, I don't know what to do |
| 01:32.56 | cast | nommurk: perhaps /mnt/* would be better |
| 01:32.59 | markybob | nommurk, no. rm -rf /mnt/* |
| 01:33.18 | Titan8990 | songer, http://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 01:33.27 | nommurk | ok, thks. |
| 01:33.37 | songer | ok |
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| 01:35.55 | nommurk | bye, guys. |
| 01:35.56 | Gratz474 | how can i tell if i am geting ddosed ? |
| 01:36.16 | cast | Gratz474: services become denied. |
| 01:36.22 | donkeyofdarkness | Gratz474, Do you own a website called facebook or twitter? |
| 01:36.28 | Bohemian | how do i log out completely of X? |
| 01:36.32 | cast | Gratz474: you're on DALnet? |
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| 01:36.53 | Open | hi, what do I need so that I can play Real streaming files on Iceweasel? |
| 01:36.54 | cast | Bohemian: stop gdm or similar if you're running it, ctr-alt-backspace kills x |
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| 01:37.42 | markybob | Gratz474, if you want to prevent it, install http://deflate.medialayer.com/ |
| 01:38.12 | Open | anyone? :( |
| 01:38.15 | dp | any idea why a squeeze box (nearly new install) wouldn't be running commands from /etc/crontab? |
| 01:38.29 | markybob | Gratz474, you probably also want fail2ban |
| 01:38.52 | Gratz474 | already have that |
| 01:38.56 | keith4_ | dp, such as? |
| 01:39.05 | Gratz474 | but i mean the server is getting pounded |
| 01:39.33 | dp | keith4_: anything, it seems. I put in a * * * * * root echo "Hi", and started cron -f, and nothing for nearly 15 minutes |
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| 01:39.56 | markybob | dp, dude...of course you wouldnt see anything |
| 01:40.08 | markybob | dp, seriously ? |
| 01:40.16 | keith4_ | wow |
| 01:40.23 | Open | in Synamptic, I see a "mozilla-mplayer" -- "for firefox" -- will it or will it not work in Iceweasel? |
| 01:40.35 | dp | markybob: yes |
| 01:40.52 | cast | Gratz474: can't do much about anyone with an iq above 50 doing DDoS against you, except get your ISP to do something or get a bigger downstream pipe |
| 01:40.56 | donkeyofdarkness | Open, yeah |
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| 01:40.57 | Open | is there an easy, standard way to get Firefox? |
| 01:41.10 | donkeyofdarkness | iceweasel is firefox |
| 01:41.12 | markybob | dp, ssh into your box. then ssh again into the same box. do you see what instance 2 does from instance 1? no |
| 01:41.18 | donkeyofdarkness | just a different name and logo |
| 01:41.31 | markybob | dp, it's all per console, per interface, per login....not sure how else to state it |
| 01:41.31 | pingouin | and version ;) |
| 01:41.31 | dp | markybob: huh? |
| 01:41.35 | nsadmin | Open: debian -cann0t- use the name firefox. so, no. |
| 01:41.37 | keith4_ | dp, you don't understand how cron works. at all. |
| 01:41.44 | keith4_ | there's nothing wrong with your software |
| 01:41.49 | Open | donkeyofdarkness, but several of the extensions I rely on don't work on it |
| 01:41.56 | dp | keith4_: what do you mean? |
| 01:41.58 | Open | dondelelcaro, it says that I need to "upgrade" |
| 01:41.58 | markybob | dp, cron works in the background. it wont interrupt your current console to display anything |
| 01:42.04 | donkeyofdarkness | o_O |
| 01:42.19 | keith4_ | Open, won't work? or won't install? |
| 01:42.23 | dp | markybob: if I run cron -f, it's supposed to keep things in the forground |
| 01:42.30 | pingouin | how do i prevent the logs from being flooded ? it's a kernel options or a config option somewhere in debian ? |
| 01:42.32 | nsadmin | Open: there is iceweasel, which is firefox renamed. |
| 01:42.36 | Open | keith4, won't install, I mean |
| 01:42.43 | Gratz474 | cast, i mean its really only the mysql that is hurting |
| 01:42.54 | keith4_ | Open, just fudge your useragent string, and it'll be fine |
| 01:43.06 | Bohemian | why is my etc/X11/xorg.conf file empty? |
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| 01:43.20 | markybob | dp, yeah. working real well for ya |
| 01:43.21 | Open | keith4, isn't there a security hazard somewhere in that practise? |
| 01:43.26 | keith4_ | Open, it's just the plugin authors "protecting" you from yourself, by not letting you install the plugins on a version of firefox that they're not supposed to work with. |
| 01:43.47 | keith4_ | Open, or save the xpi file, and install it manually |
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| 01:44.07 | coppro | my system has become unstable; is there a way to check a given package's integrity other than by reinstalling? |
| 01:44.44 | Bohemian | i set up sound, and it worked fine. now after a restart, sound doesnt play |
| 01:44.46 | Bohemian | what do i need to do? |
| 01:45.12 | adb | alsaconf |
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| 01:45.25 | Bohemian | i have to do this every time i restart? |
| 01:45.33 | markybob | Bohemian, you have alsa-utils installed? |
| 01:45.37 | adb | maybe.. |
| 01:45.37 | Bohemian | yes |
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| 01:45.46 | Bohemian | isn't there a way to set it so it always starts? |
| 01:45.51 | Bohemian | ie. rc.conf in freebsd? |
| 01:45.52 | nsadmin | there should be |
| 01:46.38 | nsadmin | it should work like any other daemon: you set it up once, and it works on boot from that point on forever. |
| 01:46.47 | markybob | !rc.local |
| 01:46.47 | dpkg | rc.local is, like, /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
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| 01:47.02 | Bohemian | now i just ran alsaconf and went through it again, and it still isn't working |
| 01:47.05 | Bohemian | should i restart X? |
| 01:47.16 | nsadmin | x has nothing to do with sound |
| 01:47.34 | nsadmin | try alsamixer from a term |
| 01:47.38 | pingouin | Bohemian: about xorg.conf empty : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535624 |
| 01:47.51 | Bohemian | master is at 74 |
| 01:48.09 | adb | pcm ? |
| 01:48.41 | nsadmin | they should have ascii level meters in alsamixer |
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| 01:49.37 | Bohemian | adb: i don't see pcm |
| 01:49.40 | Bohemian | where is it? |
| 01:49.42 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:49.53 | nsadmin | scroll right and see |
| 01:50.08 | Bohemian | not there nsadmin |
| 01:50.24 | Bohemian | ICE958 and ICE 958 D though |
| 01:50.50 | nsadmin | look near the top center, it should show which card and maybe which driver |
| 01:51.09 | Bohemian | the card is hda intel chip is realtek alc883 |
| 01:51.13 | nsadmin | where's that alsa info script |
| 01:51.17 | Bohemian | i know it's a realtek chip |
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| 01:51.59 | nsadmin | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 01:52.06 | nsadmin | and pastebin that |
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| 01:52.29 | nsadmin | unless its like 2 lines |
| 01:52.39 | jeeves_Moss | is there a way to send a SMS msg from my local system at the CLI? |
| 01:52.58 | keith4_ | do you have a GSM modem? |
| 01:53.10 | jeeves_Moss | keith4, no. :-( |
| 01:53.15 | keith4_ | then no |
| 01:53.17 | Bohemian | 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel |
| 01:53.17 | Bohemian | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.30 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, you sure can. |
| 01:53.32 | nsadmin | so it just found the one card |
| 01:53.33 | keith4_ | you can use an email -> SMS gateway, which most providers have, or a commercial SMS provider |
| 01:53.48 | jeeves_Moss | keith4, I can (for some reason) send it to <cell_phone_#>@fido.ca from my gmail account, but not from my local domain |
| 01:54.05 | Bohemian | nsadmin: is that bad? |
| 01:54.10 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, using python from the command line... here's an example i wrote and regularly use http://dpaste.com/81133/ |
| 01:54.11 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, is there a way to set up a local email to SMS gateway or is it a serious pain in the a$$? |
| 01:54.23 | nsadmin | it just means we don't know any more than before |
| 01:54.23 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, dont bother. just use my script for free |
| 01:54.25 | keith4_ | jeeves_Moss, you might have to relay through a real mail server, if your local one won't pass a spam check |
| 01:54.46 | jeeves_Moss | keith4, hummmm. I was looking to keep this as clean/simple as possible |
| 01:54.53 | keith4_ | like, through your ISPs server |
| 01:55.26 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, thanks for the script. any instructions (sorry, I'm not a programmer). |
| 01:55.48 | Bohemian | nsadmin: what should i do? |
| 01:56.07 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, save that as send.py then replace the number, subject and message with what you want. then python send.py will send the message |
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| 01:56.28 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, ok, and it will auto the carrier for me? |
| 01:56.54 | Bohemian | could it be the group i'm in? |
| 01:57.09 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, look at http://www.onlinetextmessage.com/ do you see your carrier in the "select carrier" drop down? |
| 01:57.25 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, look at the html source and copy the value for that carrier, then replace 182 with it |
| 01:57.34 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, yes, it's there. I just tried it with filling in the info, and nothing has come through yet. |
| 01:57.44 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, what is your carrier? |
| 01:57.53 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, fido |
| 01:58.03 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, your code is 85 |
| 01:58.11 | jeeves_Moss | ok, thanks. |
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| 01:58.26 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, how would one go about setting up a SMS gateway? is it hard to do? |
| 01:58.36 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, yes |
| 01:58.50 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, ahhhh, ok |
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| 01:59.31 | kripz | I just purge removed proftpd and deelted all config files and it still automatically starts itself in inet mode? I cant dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 01:59.58 | Open | any free wysiwyg html editors? I can't spot any in synaptic :x |
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| 02:00.14 | skatman1744 | Jemand n match? |
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| 02:00.16 | skatman1744 | Jemand n match? |
| 02:00.16 | markybob | kripz, use that as an excuse to get rid of it and install vsftpd |
| 02:00.20 | skatman1744 | oops |
| 02:00.21 | Bohemian | re my sound problem: it's the user account. it works in one user, but not another. how do i fix this? sudo adduser <username> audio" and then newgrp as the user with no result |
| 02:00.36 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, still no sms yet. is there any way to test to see what went wrong? |
| 02:00.54 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, dpaste your script |
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| 02:01.02 | kripz | markybob, give me one other excuse to switch :) |
| 02:01.04 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, one sec |
| 02:01.23 | markybob | kripz, all major sites use vsftpd. debian.org, redhat, suse, ibm, kernel.org, etc |
| 02:01.30 | kripz | that will do, ok |
| 02:01.31 | Bohemian | got it. a logout did it |
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| 02:01.42 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, I tried to send it directly from the website |
| 02:02.08 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, oh, then i dont know. you might want to contact their support then |
| 02:02.17 | waltman | I just upgraded to kernel 2.6.30 in testing and my sound stopped working. Anyone else have this problem? |
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| 02:02.31 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, your script is failling because I can't find the urllib2 package |
| 02:03.10 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, do you have python2.5? |
| 02:03.21 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, 2.4 wont do |
| 02:03.25 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, as far as I know I do |
| 02:03.31 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, one sec, I'll check |
| 02:03.42 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, /usr/bin/python2.5 send.py |
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| 02:04.43 | waltman | sound works fine if I reboot back to the old 2.6.26 kernel. |
| 02:04.45 | songer | I I already installed flashplugin-nonfree but yet I can't see a videos in youtube |
| 02:05.04 | abrotman | songer: ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so .. where does it point ? |
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| 02:05.10 | Gratz474 | ok i need some help |
| 02:05.17 | Gratz474 | my mysql server is getting 120+ cpu |
| 02:05.20 | Gratz474 | this is crazy |
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| 02:05.25 | waltman | !alsa checklist |
| 02:05.25 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 02:05.36 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, I have 2.6.2 installed |
| 02:05.39 | Gratz474 | am i getting ddossed? |
| 02:05.59 | abrotman | by mysql? |
| 02:06.03 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, you're not running debian then |
| 02:06.14 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, which ticks me off. dont waste #debian's time if you're not running debian |
| 02:06.21 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, ummmmm |
| 02:06.42 | songer | any suggestion? |
| 02:06.53 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, thanks again though. I'll see if I can get that script to work |
| 02:07.02 | markybob | yeah. good luck in #ubuntu |
| 02:07.03 | pingouin | how do i prevent the logs from being flooded ? it's a kernel options or a config option somewhere in debian ? /etc/syslog.conf ? [nothing about in it] |
| 02:07.16 | markybob | facepalms |
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| 02:07.58 | waltman | alsamixer did the trick. |
| 02:08.22 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, <grabs a big stick> ok, I'm off to #ubuntu. Wish me luck |
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| 02:10.33 | markybob | abrotman, you should really make a bot that kicks all non-debian users out immediately :P some kind of /ver check or something |
| 02:10.33 | purplepenguins | that's silly though |
| 02:10.33 | markybob | it'd save a hell of a lot of time and headache |
| 02:10.33 | purplepenguins | there are people who give debian help on here who don't run debian on every machine |
| 02:10.41 | abrotman | markybob: you can't do that .. just because they IRC with a non-debian client doesn't mean they won't ask a debian question |
| 02:10.51 | purplepenguins | i'm running this on irssi on an openbsd server, that i'm remoting into from my bsd desktop |
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| 02:11.03 | purplepenguins | err, debian desktop |
| 02:11.07 | jeeves_Moss | how do I fix daemontools-run? it keeps erroring out, and will not allow me to install any new software |
| 02:11.29 | markybob | jeeves_Moss, seriously? you just said you werent using debian and you're still asking questions in here? |
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| 02:11.43 | jeeves_Moss | markybob, sorry, I'm in the wrong channel |
| 02:11.49 | purplepenguins | if you run ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
| 02:12.02 | purplepenguins | they are probably more popular than we are anyway |
| 02:13.48 | acidslep | i have pitiful wireless speeds |
| 02:13.54 | acidslep | i don't think it could be the signal |
| 02:14.04 | acidslep | it is wireless B but im right next to the AP |
| 02:14.12 | acidslep | by pitiful i mean 200kbps |
| 02:14.21 | acidslep | could this be a driver problem? |
| 02:14.33 | markybob | acidslep, iwconfig wlan0 says what for bit rate? |
| 02:14.39 | acidslep | i am running lenny on an old iBook (ppc, airport card) |
| 02:15.14 | acidslep | normal wireless B speed |
| 02:15.20 | acidslep | 2 MBps |
| 02:15.39 | markybob | acidslep, right. so use iwconfig (rate option) to push it up to 11 |
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| 02:15.51 | acidslep | doing |
| 02:16.08 | markybob | acidslep, the default is almost always far too low |
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| 02:17.09 | acidslep | its not giving an error, but its not changing the rate |
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| 02:18.00 | markybob | acidslep, do you have your wireless set up in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 02:19.08 | markybob | acidslep, can you add "wireless-rate 11M" to the wlan0 section and restart your interfaces? note that you might also have to add "wireless-txpower auto" first, to deal with the increase needed for the higher rate |
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| 02:28.42 | acidslep | im fiddling with iwconfig now |
| 02:29.12 | acidslep | ive a nasty habit of always iwconfiging by hand |
| 02:29.19 | acidslep | so im not surpirsed i have that problem |
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| 02:32.27 | shyam_k | just moved into debian sid.. would it be ok to copy /var/spool/news from the other partition of ubuntu to the new setup to continue using leafnode? |
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| 02:33.38 | jm | chances are it'll work just fine |
| 02:33.58 | jm | I don't know anything about that specific software, though |
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| 02:34.07 | shyam_k | cool.. going for it.. |
| 02:35.16 | Nikke | heelloo |
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| 02:37.58 | Evet | debian license for sale, only $995 usd! |
| 02:38.08 | racecar56 | how do i tell apt(itude) to not look at updates for a certian package |
| 02:38.09 | jm | sign me up |
| 02:38.17 | donkeyofdarkness | o rly? |
| 02:38.19 | markybob | !hold |
| 02:38.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 02:38.21 | racecar56 | Evet: debian license? ORLY |
| 02:38.22 | jm | racecar56, hold it |
| 02:38.27 | racecar56 | jmarsden: k |
| 02:38.27 | donkeyofdarkness | Where do I download the keygen for it? |
| 02:38.31 | racecar56 | lol |
| 02:38.38 | Evet | haha |
| 02:38.46 | jm | wrong tab complete |
| 02:38.55 | racecar56 | <sarcasm> wants a debian keygen NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!1111ONEONE </sarcasm> |
| 02:39.09 | donkeyofdarkness | lol |
| 02:39.11 | racecar56 | forget it XP |
| 02:39.18 | abrotman | Evet: it's not funny .. STOP |
| 02:39.22 | racecar56 | yay for free software |
| 02:39.54 | Evet | abrotman is using Microsoft Comic Chat 2.5 on Windows Vista Starter |
| 02:40.16 | abrotman | Evet: i'm not really sure why you think you're being funny .. go somewhere else and do it |
| 02:40.31 | racecar56 | agrees with abrotman |
| 02:40.44 | racecar56 | i'm getting sick of it too |
| 02:41.28 | Evet | lol. debian haters |
| 02:41.43 | racecar56 | no i love debian |
| 02:41.50 | racecar56 | it is much better than ubuntu |
| 02:42.07 | donkeyofdarkness | yeah |
| 02:42.13 | Evet | no difference at desktop user sight |
| 02:42.19 | purplepenguins | ubuntu was taking debian and putting it full full of crap |
| 02:42.24 | donkeyofdarkness | I'm formatting my ubuntu box |
| 02:42.29 | donkeyofdarkness | and loading up debian |
| 02:43.02 | purplepenguins | debian is sweet simplicity in the default install |
| 02:43.15 | donkeyofdarkness | Ubuntu was good up until 8.04. everything after was complete garbage |
| 02:43.27 | abrotman | ubuntu is not on topic here |
| 02:43.30 | racecar56 | stupid /dev/sda on ide glitch, that makes me -MAD- |
| 02:43.37 | donkeyofdarkness | o sry |
| 02:43.45 | donkeyofdarkness | Debian is good |
| 02:43.55 | racecar56 | yay for debian, but let's go to #debian-offtopic (or was it something else) with this |
| 02:44.06 | donkeyofdarkness | k |
| 02:44.11 | jm | chicks dig the debian |
| 02:44.18 | jm | many babies are born because of debian |
| 02:44.47 | markybob | ian has kids? |
| 02:45.10 | jm | I wonder if anyone has named a kid debian, in honor of the OS |
| 02:45.11 | purplepenguins | that's not beyond belief |
| 02:45.17 | donkeyofdarkness | I would |
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| 02:45.22 | purplepenguins | that would be depressing |
| 02:45.36 | purplepenguins | i wouldn't want to be named after a piece of software |
| 02:45.44 | racecar56 | or me\ |
| 02:45.50 | racecar56 | that's weird O_o |
| 02:46.07 | racecar56 | speaking of weird...my nvidia drivers just killed theirself again |
| 02:46.09 | o2T7 | that piece of software itself was named after people names |
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| 02:46.20 | markybob | which is why i asked about ian :P |
| 02:46.22 | jm | indeed |
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| 02:46.32 | markybob | cries |
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| 02:47.31 | shyam_k | ,ircchannels |
| 02:47.35 | shyam_k | ,irc channels |
| 02:47.42 | shyam_k | !irc channels |
| 02:47.46 | shyam_k | dammnit! |
| 02:47.51 | markybob | shyam_k, are you having a stroke? |
| 02:48.27 | shyam_k | nope.. i just wanted to have a look of all debian irc channels |
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| 02:48.43 | dondelelcaro | shyam_k: the only main one on this network is this channel |
| 02:48.50 | markybob | shame. i was hoping it would end soon |
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| 02:49.56 | shyam_k | joins oftc |
| 02:50.18 | racecar56 | why is there a debian channel on freenode and oftc |
| 02:50.27 | abrotman | more than just those two |
| 02:50.43 | racecar56 | didnt know that |
| 02:50.57 | markybob | racecar56, freenode was first. then certain, uh, leaders got anal and decided to move the "official" channel to oftc |
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| 02:51.32 | donkeyofdimness | well that's stupid |
| 02:51.36 | racecar56 | yes it is |
| 02:51.52 | markybob | yes, it is. which is why this channel on freenode still exists |
| 02:52.07 | racecar56 | 56racecar |
| 02:52.20 | racecar56 | *65racecar |
| 02:52.32 | racecar56 | that IS stupid |
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| 02:52.39 | abrotman | !oftc move |
| 02:52.39 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html]. Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 02:52.55 | racecar56 | i can tell this was the first because the creation time of this one was in early 2001 |
| 02:54.19 | markybob | know remembers why he's been banned from #debian repeatedly |
| 02:54.20 | Titan8990 | abrotman, the bots link is dead |
| 02:54.24 | markybob | s/know/now |
| 02:54.44 | abrotman | which one ? |
| 02:55.02 | Titan8990 | abrotman, nvm |
| 02:55.04 | abrotman | oh .. it's the bracket |
| 02:55.06 | abrotman | removes |
| 02:55.22 | racecar56 | abrotman: ive noticed on !nvidia m-a the period is included in the link ._. |
| 02:55.43 | songer | thanks for you help |
| 02:55.45 | songer | abrotman |
| 02:56.08 | songer | titan8990, thanks |
| 02:56.13 | Titan8990 | abrotman, yeah, it was the bracket |
| 02:57.20 | songer | now, I.m looking for information about how to install java |
| 02:57.21 | markybob | greycat....come back.... |
| 02:57.48 | markybob | songer, apt-cache search java jre |
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| 02:58.37 | abrotman | markybob: he's been coming around again |
| 02:59.13 | markybob | abrotman, oh yeah? nice :D |
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| 03:01.32 | bananahands | okay, so I tried to switch my ATI Radeon 4800 series video card's xorg.conf to have "vesa" instead of "fglrx" and now instead of obscured gui that is unreadable, I get a message that says "cannot display this video mode" |
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| 03:01.55 | bananahands | what is the command to load a recovery mode gui |
| 03:01.56 | bananahands | ? |
| 03:02.10 | markybob | bananahands, dude, what is the matter with you? how many times do i have to tell you to try radeonhd? |
| 03:02.19 | markybob | this is #5 |
| 03:02.36 | bananahands | I already tried it ASSHOLE |
| 03:02.39 | dondelelcaro | actually, why are you even specifying the driver in xorg.conf? |
| 03:02.43 | donkehofdarkness | lmao |
| 03:02.46 | abrotman | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 03:02.47 | judd | abrotman: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd -- lenny: 1.2.1-2 squeeze: 1.2.1-2 sid: 1.2.5-1 |
| 03:03.09 | charitwo | bananahands: the language isn't neded |
| 03:03.40 | rvalles | recommends -ati instead |
| 03:03.41 | bananahands | charitwo: I agree, neither is markybob's attitude, just trying to solve a problem, everyone eles is quite helpful |
| 03:03.51 | bananahands | sorry if I offended anyone other than markybob |
| 03:03.54 | rvalles | been using it for a while... rock solid |
| 03:03.58 | donkehofdarkness | lol |
| 03:04.00 | rvalles | I have a 4850, btw |
| 03:04.06 | rvalles | a while -> since january or so |
| 03:04.09 | markybob | except my answer is the one that would solve your problems |
| 03:04.18 | bananahands | dondelelcaro: what do you mean? |
| 03:04.25 | rvalles | mostly done programming, webbrowsing, reading pdfs and using openoffice. |
| 03:04.30 | rvalles | and of course, mplayer |
| 03:04.43 | abrotman | bananahands: if you `mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup` .. and try to start X .. what happens ? |
| 03:04.47 | rvalles | not a single crash, so... |
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| 03:05.02 | bananahands | abrotman: let's see... |
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| 03:05.28 | dondelelcaro | bananahands: in most setups, the xorg.conf should be (nearly) blank. the right driver will be loaded, and everything should be ok. |
| 03:05.44 | dondelelcaro | (the main exception is when you have multiple video cards or are doing wierd things) |
| 03:05.49 | bananahands | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 03:05.49 | abrotman | (assuming the drivers instlaled say they can drive that device) |
| 03:06.04 | bananahands | it is mostly blank, but it has the device name and the driver type |
| 03:06.08 | bananahands | that is what I am used to |
| 03:06.23 | markybob | dondelelcaro, he's doing weird things. first he had fglrx installed, then not, even those his xorg.conf was still configured to use fglrx, then...who knows |
| 03:06.51 | abrotman | let's see if a blank xorg.conf lets him start X |
| 03:08.09 | dondelelcaro | bananahands: it doesn't even have that |
| 03:08.28 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think he had edited his to have those stanzas |
| 03:08.45 | dondelelcaro | (or it shouldn't; the only time you should need to specify that is when you have multiple cards and are doing multihead)) |
| 03:08.50 | bananahands | abrotman: fatal server error: server is already active for display 0 if this server is no longer running remove /tmp/ .X0-lock and start again. Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keygiving up. xinit: Resource temporarily unavailable (erno 11): unable to connect to X server |
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| 03:08.58 | bananahands | err no3 server error |
| 03:08.59 | abrotman | bananahands: so shut it down first |
| 03:09.23 | bananahands | xserver? |
| 03:09.36 | donkehofdarkness | xserver! |
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| 03:10.29 | bananahands | sudo killall xserver? I don't know the command, I have only restarted it |
| 03:10.52 | abrotman | bananahands: are you using gdm? |
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| 03:11.07 | bananahands | I switch between xfce, gdm and kdm |
| 03:11.13 | bananahands | but yeah, it is installed |
| 03:11.15 | abrotman | which are you using now ? |
| 03:11.17 | bananahands | probably as default |
| 03:11.20 | bananahands | I am in bash |
| 03:11.21 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 03:11.54 | bananahands | okay back to cannot display this video mode |
| 03:12.34 | racecar56 | haha my irc client makes the close button disappear every time i hover my cursor over it |
| 03:12.46 | racecar56 | but it still works O_o |
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| 03:15.52 | gaintsura | This house, is officially free of windows :D :D |
| 03:15.57 | racecar56 | :D |
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| 03:16.34 | racecar56 | i still have it but i -hardly- use it ever |
| 03:16.36 | gaintsura | I'm just finishing converting my wife |
| 03:16.49 | gaintsura | same.. photoshop and first person gaming, thats about it |
| 03:16.50 | bananahands | gaintsura: good for you |
| 03:16.53 | acidslep | heh, what? |
| 03:16.56 | gaintsura | shes still a bit reluctant |
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| 03:17.09 | racecar56 | once this house is free of windows pigs will fly |
| 03:17.11 | gaintsura | and I quote "I'd rather have an apple" she says |
| 03:17.11 | racecar56 | ._. |
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| 03:17.27 | gaintsura | thats not GOD, hes a liar! |
| 03:17.35 | bananahands | hehe |
| 03:17.38 | racecar56 | liar liar pants on fire hanging on a telephone wire |
| 03:18.57 | bananahands | dondelelcaro: so now that I have no xorg.conf... |
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| 03:19.19 | Titan8990 | bananahands, don't need it unless you are using proprietary drivers |
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| 03:20.19 | bananahands | Titan8990: okay, I have in the past to get my video card working. Which crapped out on a restart today. So someone here recommended I move it after installing xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 03:20.29 | bananahands | Titan8990: but I have no video display |
| 03:20.35 | xsacha | hi, i heard about a plan to have debian running on a blu-ray disk without the need to install it or something. any info about this? |
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| 03:21.20 | Titan8990 | bananahands, what happens when you try to startx? |
| 03:21.22 | xsacha | "Debian-Live team headed by Daniel Baumann is working on official live images. With these distributions users can employ Linux off the CD without needing to install it." |
| 03:21.33 | xsacha | what happened to this project? |
| 03:22.11 | o2T7 | xsacha: /msg dpkg live |
| 03:22.20 | bananahands | abrotman: fatal server error: server is already active for display 0 if this server is no longer running remove /tmp/ .X0-lock and start again. Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keygiving up. xinit: Resource temporarily unavailable (erno 11): unable to connect to X server |
| 03:22.39 | bananahands | Titan8990: fatal server error: server is already active for display 0 if this server is no longer running remove /tmp/ .X0-lock and start again. Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keygiving up. xinit: Resource temporarily unavailable (erno 11): unable to connect to X server |
| 03:22.42 | bananahands | sorry |
| 03:23.04 | xsacha | oh cool so you guys have something like SuSe Studio? |
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| 03:23.23 | Titan8990 | xsacha, i got invited, its really cool. too bad suse is crap |
| 03:23.33 | xsacha | what about the debian one? |
| 03:23.39 | Titan8990 | bananahands, is there an instance of xserver running? |
| 03:23.48 | Titan8990 | xsacha, haven't heard of a debian one |
| 03:23.58 | xsacha | cause the bot told me ... "and allows creations of your own" |
| 03:24.03 | Titan8990 | xsacha, only other one i know of is for vmware |
| 03:24.10 | bananahands | Titan8990: you mean,did it work at any point before today? |
| 03:24.27 | Titan8990 | xsacha, yes, you can make your own live cd but its not like suse studio |
| 03:24.39 | xsacha | yeah the suse one was awesome, even lets you test the distro in an interactive flash. but the problem is im restricted to using suse (11.1) |
| 03:25.19 | kripz | What does file mode 0600 mean, is that a umask? |
| 03:25.33 | xsacha | i just got a blu-ray burner and was interested about doing something with that. i see debian has blu-ray images |
| 03:25.53 | Titan8990 | bananahands, do you normally startx from the tty? |
| 03:26.05 | racecar56 | kripz: 0 -rw------- 1 i seem to get |
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| 03:26.53 | Titan8990 | bananahands, forget it... rm /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 03:26.58 | Titan8990 | bananahands, then startx |
| 03:28.06 | bananahands | Titan8990: same error |
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| 03:28.18 | bananahands | Titan8990: oh wait... |
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| 03:28.55 | bananahands | slightly different |
| 03:29.23 | Titan8990 | bananahands, what is the result? |
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| 03:30.28 | bananahands | X: warning: process set to priority -1 instead of requested priority 0 _XServTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener( ) failed _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running |
| 03:30.31 | bananahands | then after that |
| 03:30.37 | bananahands | the same error as before |
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| 03:36.44 | Titan8990 | bananahands, do you normally use a display manager? |
| 03:38.05 | bananahands | Titan8990: yes, I switch between gnome, kde4, and xfce |
| 03:38.29 | Titan8990 | bananahands, /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 03:38.37 | Titan8990 | bananahands, or gdm, kdm, whatever |
| 03:38.52 | Titan8990 | bananahands, are you in single user mode? |
| 03:38.56 | bananahands | no |
| 03:39.06 | bananahands | not single user mode |
| 03:40.05 | bananahands | Titan8990: "Cannot Display This Video Mode" |
| 03:40.16 | bananahands | Titan8990: that is for gdm, I cannot do that with kdm |
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| 03:40.36 | Titan8990 | bananahands, which one do you use? |
| 03:40.40 | bananahands | I use all 3 |
| 03:40.52 | adb | lower "this Video Mode" ... |
| 03:41.05 | Titan8990 | bananahands, you only need one display manager |
| 03:41.11 | markybob | he's a troll, people. c'mon |
| 03:41.33 | bananahands | Titan8990: perhaps, but I find they are different and some work better than others |
| 03:41.33 | Titan8990 | bananahands, one display manager can handle booting multiple DEs |
| 03:41.55 | bananahands | Titan8990: I misunderstood |
| 03:42.11 | bananahands | Titan8990: I have three DEs and probably only one display manager |
| 03:42.21 | bananahands | Titan8990: I think it is gdm |
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| 03:42.55 | Titan8990 | bananahands, pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:43.08 | bananahands | sighs |
| 03:43.10 | markybob | bananahands, you really think this is fun? just bsing for hours and hours? |
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| 03:43.36 | Titan8990 | markybob, hours? |
| 03:43.50 | markybob | Titan8990, yes. he's been ranting for at least 4 hours |
| 03:43.56 | bananahands | markybob: why are you being like this, just leave me alone, you clearly are not helping |
| 03:44.21 | bananahands | markybob: I have looked online, I came here for help, all you do is berate me, if you have no good advice then shut up and leave me alone |
| 03:44.22 | markybob | Titan8990, many people have tried. abrotman included. |
| 03:44.42 | purplepenguins | are you still having the x problems bananahands |
| 03:44.53 | markybob | purplepenguins, a troll doesnt move on |
| 03:44.53 | bananahands | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/f5b29909a |
| 03:45.00 | bananahands | purplepenguins: yes |
| 03:45.25 | adb | !sunday |
| 03:45.25 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:45.28 | lewis__ | hi all |
| 03:45.44 | bananahands | !saturday |
| 03:45.44 | dpkg | it has been said that saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 03:45.49 | bananahands | woohoo |
| 03:46.11 | purplepenguins | that log is using VESA now, that's good |
| 03:46.15 | purplepenguins | also no major errors |
| 03:46.20 | purplepenguins | what is the problem? |
| 03:46.33 | bananahands | uh |
| 03:46.36 | bananahands | I have no gui |
| 03:46.38 | purplepenguins | is it a black screen, doe it go to gdm, etc |
| 03:46.57 | bananahands | it is black with "Cannot Display This Video Mode" |
| 03:47.12 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 03:47.20 | bananahands | that happens everytime I use vesa |
| 03:47.26 | purplepenguins | it could be trying to use a mode that your monitor doesn't support |
| 03:48.07 | Titan8990 | i think its trying to attach to a video card hes not using |
| 03:48.13 | markybob | purplepenguins, that's why he was told to remove his xorg.conf |
| 03:48.23 | purplepenguins | also, it's still listing glx and dri |
| 03:48.30 | purplepenguins | maybe try preventing those from loading |
| 03:48.35 | Titan8990 | bananahands, mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.bak |
| 03:49.21 | bananahands | Titan8990: okay |
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| 03:50.33 | purplepenguins | just as a query, what is your video hardware and your monitor banana |
| 03:51.00 | bananahands | purplepenguins: I have a radeonhd 4830 and a Dell um...LCD |
| 03:51.02 | bananahands | a small one |
| 03:51.14 | donkehofdarkness | :( |
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| 03:51.17 | xsacha | if he has a problem with his videocard, it's an ati ;) |
| 03:51.27 | purplepenguins | ah |
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| 03:51.36 | purplepenguins | it'd be worth trying the radeonhd driver next then |
| 03:51.46 | purplepenguins | VESA is kinda awful |
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| 03:51.47 | bananahands | xsacha: I have more problems with my nvidia ;) |
| 03:51.57 | xsacha | apparently they can do 3d on 4xxx now |
| 03:52.01 | bananahands | purplepenguins: I know all too well, it has never loaded for me |
| 03:52.03 | Titan8990 | i have never had problems with my nvidias |
| 03:52.05 | donkehofdarkness | I have no problems with nvidia |
| 03:52.08 | xsacha | but it isnt in a release yet |
| 03:52.32 | bananahands | My nvidia card took longer to configure than ATI and broke down more times |
| 03:52.34 | Titan8990 | ati just dropped support my only ati card |
| 03:52.51 | xsacha | to be fair, nvidia dropped a lot of old cards |
| 03:52.58 | bananahands | this is the only time I have had a problem since configuration 8months ago |
| 03:53.01 | racecar56 | did they drop 8600gt? hope not |
| 03:53.06 | purplepenguins | my card isn't quite old enough to not be supported anymore |
| 03:53.08 | donkehofdarkness | no |
| 03:53.14 | purplepenguins | 6600GT |
| 03:53.17 | racecar56 | good |
| 03:53.17 | donkehofdarkness | I have an 8600gts that works |
| 03:53.26 | donkehofdarkness | my 6150se also works |
| 03:53.28 | racecar56 | i like my 8600gt, it is a great card |
| 03:53.34 | bananahands | purplepenguins: I am mostly confused becuase I had graphics this morning |
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| 03:53.46 | bananahands | I did not substantially change anything |
| 03:53.55 | purplepenguins | what did you do inbetween the last time you booted and when you rebooted and found no X |
| 03:53.58 | donkehofdarkness | Did you reboot 3 times? |
| 03:54.11 | bananahands | donkehofdarkness: yeah |
| 03:54.18 | donkehofdarkness | hmm |
| 03:54.22 | donkehofdarkness | well that's odd |
| 03:54.43 | xsacha | 4 is a lucky number |
| 03:54.46 | purplepenguins | were you using the radeonhd or fglrx drivers before when it worked bananahands |
| 03:54.52 | bananahands | I know, I mean...usually I just have to install or update a package, but they are up to date |
| 03:55.11 | bananahands | purplepenguins: well, xorg.conf said "fglrx" but radeonhd was installed |
| 03:55.19 | donkehofdarkness | did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 03:55.25 | xsacha | installed doesnt mean using |
| 03:55.31 | Titan8990 | donkehofdarkness, no more > lenny |
| 03:55.37 | purplepenguins | if the log said fglrx that was what you were using |
| 03:55.44 | donkehofdarkness | =/ |
| 03:55.44 | adb | bananahands: uname -a , says ? |
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| 03:55.51 | bananahands | purplepenguins: I thought I was using fglrx |
| 03:55.53 | donkehofdarkness | I hate the new xorg |
| 03:56.07 | Titan8990 | bananahands, have you tested w/o a xorg.conf yet? |
| 03:56.11 | kripz | How do i disable shell access when using useradd? |
| 03:56.12 | racecar56 | new? 1.6.3? |
| 03:56.14 | purplepenguins | i break xorg every time i reinstall |
| 03:56.20 | racecar56 | :P |
| 03:56.23 | bananahands | Titan8990: yeah, nothing |
| 03:56.24 | Titan8990 | racecar56, 1.5+ |
| 03:56.30 | Titan8990 | racecar56, hal supported |
| 03:56.31 | bananahands | purplepenguins: me too |
| 03:56.40 | xsacha | kripz: cant you use groups? a shell group and dont put new user in it? |
| 03:56.41 | purplepenguins | kripz: use the manpage, or try adduser |
| 03:56.43 | racecar56 | xorg 1.5+ is fine for me |
| 03:56.44 | bananahands | purplepenguins: but it is a quick fix, except this time, no new install |
| 03:56.48 | racecar56 | i use 1.6.3 |
| 03:57.08 | kripz | purplepenguins, unless i missed it, there is nothing mentioned about disabling shell access in the useradd manpage |
| 03:57.36 | purplepenguins | oh, wait, you set the shell to /bin/false |
| 03:57.41 | purplepenguins | that's how you do it |
| 03:57.41 | dondelelcaro | kripz: it's there; search for shell |
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| 03:58.06 | Titan8990 | kripz, couldn't you just make their default shell /dev/null or something? |
| 03:58.21 | purplepenguins | /bin/false is the standard way to do it according to /etc/passwd |
| 03:58.24 | Titan8990 | kripz, oh... /bin/false |
| 03:58.28 | dondelelcaro | /bin/false is generally what you want, and you usually disable the password for such users |
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| 03:58.53 | kripz | I need password access but disabled shell. will /bin/false still work? |
| 03:58.59 | Titan8990 | kripz, useradd -m -G <group> -g <groups> -s /bin/false <user> |
| 03:59.07 | purplepenguins | bananahands: try deleting your xorg.conf, and start it, and see what it does in the logfile |
| 03:59.08 | Titan8990 | kripz, passwd user |
| 03:59.20 | bananahands | purplepenguins: okay |
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| 04:00.22 | bananahands | http://pastebin.com/f5b0665e9 |
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| 04:01.12 | adb | bananahands: uname -a , says ? |
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| 04:01.45 | bananahands | adb: why do you want to know that? |
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| 04:02.07 | purplepenguins | it's still using vesa, hmm |
| 04:02.26 | purplepenguins | use the old xorg.conf, and replace vesa with radeonhd |
| 04:02.33 | purplepenguins | and try that |
| 04:03.22 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.05 | bananahands | adb: why do you want to know that? |
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| 04:05.52 | adb | b/c you not answord that 5 hours ago |
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| 04:06.25 | detrate- | I fail debian package selection nearly every time |
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| 04:06.48 | detrate- | never know whether space or enter selects the packages on first install |
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| 04:07.03 | detrate- | the screen says "space to select" "enter to activate button" |
| 04:07.06 | detrate- | very confusing |
| 04:07.36 | cast | perhaps enter enacts your selectoin |
| 04:07.49 | safemode | i can't believe this shit. I have every hotkey pkg , every acpi pkg and nothing seems to assign this stupid volume up / down button to any action |
| 04:08.22 | donkehofdarkness | xbindkeys? |
| 04:08.27 | safemode | xev shows that it is detected as XF86AudioLowerVolume (or upper)...why the hell is nothing able to do anything with it |
| 04:08.49 | xsacha | there's a gui program to assign events to xf86 buttons |
| 04:08.57 | xsacha | there's one for gnome anyway |
| 04:09.24 | xsacha | there is console ones too and config file (xmodmap?) |
| 04:09.43 | cast | e16keyedit is what i use \m/ |
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| 04:10.01 | xsacha | i think the problem is not hotkey/acpi package but it's actually keyboard pkg (?) |
| 04:10.11 | donkehofdarkness | p00p |
| 04:10.22 | xsacha | they have packages for different manufacturer keyboard right? anyway you can set it up yourself easily |
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| 04:10.57 | safemode | plenty of stuff for the eeepc ...not much for the dell mini |
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| 04:11.36 | bananahands | adb: well not answering is not a reason to keep aksing, WHY are you aking? |
| 04:11.36 | donkehofdarkness | maybe dell has something |
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| 04:14.20 | adb | bananahands: prove us you running debian |
| 04:15.25 | purplepenguins | did the radeonhd work? |
| 04:15.31 | bananahands | adb: 2.6.30-1-amd64 #1 |
| 04:15.51 | bananahands | purplepenguins: nope, did you man in xorg.conf? |
| 04:15.56 | bananahands | *mean |
| 04:16.00 | \amethyst | adb: that was in the Xorg log he pastebinned |
| 04:16.01 | safemode | hrm..xbindkeys is doing the trick. |
| 04:16.03 | \amethyst | adb: Current Operating System: Linux moople 2.6.30-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Aug 3 12:28:22 UTC 2009 x86_64 |
| 04:16.05 | joesmoje | purplepenguins: nothing will ever work. this is how trolls work |
| 04:16.15 | donkehofdarkness | xbindkeys is nice |
| 04:16.37 | \amethyst | adb: also Build Operating System: Linux Debian (xorg-server 2:1.4.2-11) |
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| 04:18.11 | cast | ponders what to do |
| 04:18.22 | joesmoje | cast: run away |
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| 04:18.45 | cast | infront of my computer :\ |
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| 04:21.08 | racecar56 | kwrite dosen't print text o.o but kolourpaint prints images fine, what's wrong |
| 04:21.29 | donkehofdarkness | o_O |
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| 04:22.34 | cast | to many k's for me |
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| 04:23.35 | racecar56 | isn't that krazy? |
| 04:23.39 | bananahands | joesmoje: GO FUCK YOURSELF |
| 04:23.45 | bananahands | thanks for the help everyone else |
| 04:24.24 | joesmoje | i wish i could |
| 04:24.41 | fxiny | wt4x ! is it already sunday ? |
| 04:24.58 | fxiny | hmmm |
| 04:25.09 | joesmoje | fxiny: in most of the world :) |
| 04:25.20 | fxiny | joesmoje: heh |
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| 04:37.18 | Gratz474 | my mysql is getting pounded how can i check to see whats cauing it ? |
| 04:38.41 | joesmoje | Gratz474: http://www.washington.edu/computing/web/publishing/mysql-admin.html#logs |
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| 04:39.31 | nium-_ | Does the net installer come with wifi drivers? |
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| 04:41.22 | nium-_ | Hmm.. no EXT4 under debian installer? |
| 04:41.54 | donkehofdarkness | :( |
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| 04:42.41 | nium-_ | donkehofdarkness, what to do! |
| 04:42.58 | donkehofdarkness | use ext3? |
| 04:43.09 | rozie | nium-_: there's alternative installer |
| 04:43.20 | nium-_ | rozie, I'm all ears. |
| 04:43.33 | rozie | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 04:44.06 | rozie | some wifi card support and ext4 support for sure |
| 04:44.53 | Gratz474 | is 124 queries per sec alot for a mysql box ? |
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| 04:47.31 | donkehofdarkness | no |
| 04:48.12 | nium-_ | "Don't try to use ext4 for your root partition" <-- why? |
| 04:48.47 | donkehofdarkness | cuz it's new I guess |
| 04:48.56 | donkehofdarkness | I use it on my laptop and it works great |
| 04:48.58 | kripz | Is it possible to image hdd on a live server to a file for backup? |
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| 04:50.48 | cast | kripz: sure is |
| 04:50.58 | kripz | cast, what program to use? |
| 04:51.06 | nium-_ | donkehofdarkness, "grub won't work with ext4.", I guess this kinda explains it.. |
| 04:51.15 | donkehofdarkness | o_O |
| 04:51.18 | donkehofdarkness | I use grub |
| 04:51.22 | cast | kripz: i'd use xfs_freeze |
| 04:51.37 | cast | kripz: then take a lvm snapshot, then unfreeze |
| 04:51.47 | cast | kripz: not sure how successful just taking an lvm snapshot is |
| 04:52.04 | nium-_ | donkehofdarkness, grub on ext4 partition? |
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| 04:53.07 | donkehofdarkness | yes |
| 04:53.19 | ansong | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.25 | acu | ok guys - sorry to use unacademic English - but the shit hit the fan - I updated from lenny to squeeze iand it tells me invalid Header - what should I do |
| 04:53.48 | acu | once I was able to even go to X but it just tried and went black |
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| 04:55.09 | Open | hi. I'm modifying xorg.conf (specifically, the Monitor section, to set the dpi 96x96), but whenever I save it and restart it.. and issue the command "xdpyinfo | grep resolution", I see the things I set have not taken effect. Any hints? |
| 04:56.04 | donkehofdarkness | http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/vesaire/setxdpi |
| 04:56.08 | donkehofdarkness | try that script |
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| 04:57.36 | Brigo | donkehofdarkness: for kde ... |
| 04:57.50 | donkehofdarkness | that script will work |
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| 04:58.55 | Brigo | this script modify /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, only kdm ready |
| 04:59.11 | Brigo | and may be only kde 3 |
| 04:59.21 | Brigo | i am not sure about it |
| 04:59.48 | Open | yeah, ed "s/^ServerArgsLocal=.*$/ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp$DPIVAL/" /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc.kudos.$TARIH > /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, etc. ... |
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| 05:00.17 | donkehofdarkness | hmm |
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| 05:01.21 | sonixau | hi people, does anyone know a fix/workaround for the debian session bug in debian squeeze |
| 05:01.26 | sonixau | gnome session |
| 05:05.24 | ansong | has anyone else had trouble getting cpu frequency scaling to work with a core2duo and debian squeeze? |
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| 05:22.47 | gigo | after my full-upgrade today, flash has stopped working with iceweasel. please help. I am using Squeeze. |
| 05:25.08 | streuner__ | flash is evil |
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| 05:26.25 | cast | flash not working is help |
| 05:26.39 | streuner | hehe |
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| 05:27.29 | streuner | gigo: what kind of flash do you use (non-free)? |
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| 05:27.50 | gigo | I don't remember well. let me check. |
| 05:28.20 | Open | free version, unfortunately, is very slow :( |
| 05:28.27 | nium-_ | donkehofdarkness, still around? |
| 05:28.33 | gigo | p flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
| 05:28.36 | gigo | so I am not using nonfree I guess. |
| 05:28.38 | donkehofdarkness | ? |
| 05:29.01 | nium-_ | donkehofdarkness, do you separate your dedicate a partition to /boot? |
| 05:29.04 | nium-_ | err |
| 05:29.09 | nium-_ | donkehofdarkness, do you dedicate a partition to /boot? |
| 05:29.14 | streuner | gigo: is that only on youtube or on any other website? |
| 05:29.21 | gigo | youtube |
| 05:29.23 | donkehofdarkness | not on my laptop |
| 05:29.37 | streuner | gigo: what kind of error, it doesnt show something at all? |
| 05:29.49 | gigo | yes, it does not show anything at all. |
| 05:29.56 | nium-_ | donkehofdarkness, so you have one partition for all, ext4, and using grb (not grub-pc) -- is that right? |
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| 05:30.05 | donkehofdarkness | yeah |
| 05:30.28 | donkehofdarkness | My laptop runs Linux Mint though. not debian. So all the packages are newer. |
| 05:30.44 | nium-_ | donkehofdarkness, I see.. advantages of mint over debian? |
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| 05:30.53 | gigo | even http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ shows me a blank box for flash |
| 05:31.06 | donkehofdarkness | everything is newer... that's about it |
| 05:31.12 | donkehofdarkness | maybe better wireless support |
| 05:31.24 | gigo | what is Linux Mint? is it a debian derivative? |
| 05:31.32 | donkehofdarkness | ubuntu derivative |
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| 05:33.54 | streuner | gigo: show us please the output of about:plugins of iceweasel in paste.debian.net |
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| 05:35.09 | streuner | gigo: and what does "dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree | tail -1" say? |
| 05:35.22 | gigo | http://paste.debian.net/44323/ |
| 05:35.53 | gigo | No packages found matching flashplugin-nonfree. |
| 05:36.08 | donkehofdarkness | probably a good idea to install that package |
| 05:36.16 | gigo | $ aptitude search flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:36.16 | gigo | p flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
| 05:36.18 | gigo | ok |
| 05:36.25 | donkehofdarkness | swf files really like it |
| 05:36.27 | rozie | add debian-multimedia repository |
| 05:36.47 | rozie | flashplugin-nonfree is in non-free section of debian |
| 05:37.29 | rozie | but I'd recommend flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia |
| 05:38.24 | streuner | !info swfdec-mozilla |
| 05:38.38 | gigo | flashplugin-nonfree is downloading tarball from macromedia site? |
| 05:38.43 | gigo | why is it not downloading from adobe site? |
| 05:38.58 | dpkg | swfdec-mozilla: (Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Flash)), section video, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
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| 05:39.53 | rozie | gigo: it downloads bash script from debian server, which downloads tarball IIRC |
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| 05:40.16 | gigo | ok |
| 05:40.17 | rozie | flashplayer-mozilla has just plugin inside. simplier |
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| 05:40.38 | yac | haio |
| 05:40.39 | unomystEz | how can I install man pages for syscalls? |
| 05:40.40 | rozie | and you really know, what's installed |
| 05:43.03 | crzedmonk | does debian come default with kde or gnome? |
| 05:43.23 | yac | crzedmonk: it asks you in installer |
| 05:43.29 | Open | gnome - crzedmonk |
| 05:43.31 | aaron | why im getting this error skype: error while loading shared libraries: libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 05:43.49 | crzedmonk | which you feel is better? |
| 05:44.12 | dondelelcaro | aaron: you don't have the right version of libuuid installed. |
| 05:44.33 | aaron | E: Couldn't find package libuuid |
| 05:44.45 | yac | i switched disks to my other machine but my /dev/eth0 and eth1 does not created, an idea why? i have here some marvell 88E8053 and loaded modules sky2 and marvell |
| 05:44.51 | yac | crzedmonk: neither of them |
| 05:45.06 | aaron | how come |
| 05:45.20 | crzedmonk | lol |
| 05:45.29 | crzedmonk | I think I am gonna end up using wmii |
| 05:45.29 | dondelelcaro | aaron: apt-cache search is your frind. |
| 05:45.31 | crzedmonk | anyways |
| 05:45.33 | crzedmonk | but whatever |
| 05:45.40 | crzedmonk | I am gonna try out debian tonight |
| 05:45.42 | yac | in dmesg i can see that kernel sees there is eth0 and eth1, it dispalys their hw addresses but dunno, it doesnt work |
| 05:45.46 | crzedmonk | I have only ever ried ubuntu |
| 05:45.57 | crzedmonk | tried |
| 05:46.02 | aaron | im getting the same error dondelelcaro |
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| 05:46.16 | dondelelcaro | crzedmonk: I'm personally a fan of awesome. |
| 05:46.29 | streuner | gigo: its ok now? |
| 05:46.35 | crzedmonk | lol |
| 05:46.39 | crzedmonk | oh are you? |
| 05:46.57 | crzedmonk | awesome looks cool also |
| 05:46.59 | streuner | some people like pain |
| 05:47.12 | crzedmonk | oh well |
| 05:47.19 | rain_ | aaron: apt-file search libuuid.so.1 |
| 05:47.19 | crzedmonk | I am excited for new linux |
| 05:47.22 | crzedmonk | YAAY! |
| 05:47.55 | aaron | -bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 05:48.07 | streuner | !installit |
| 05:48.07 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 05:48.09 | rain_ | or apt-cache search as dondelelcaro said |
| 05:48.18 | rain_ | streuner: beat me to it |
| 05:48.41 | streuner | rain_: aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update |
| 05:48.44 | crzedmonk | what version of debian should I run? I am leaning towards lenny |
| 05:48.57 | rain_ | streuner: ITYM aaron |
| 05:48.58 | streuner | if you have to ask? |
| 05:49.21 | streuner | aaron: you heard that.. |
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| 05:57.15 | Kalvin | Hey, i'm thinking about making a Debian-based linux, think it's a good idea? (i like debian, it's proven the best so far) |
| 05:57.37 | Open | please don't |
| 05:57.37 | cast | and how would you better debian? |
| 05:57.45 | simonrvn | like the many hundred others? ;) |
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| 05:58.48 | Kalvin | i would just install the bare min and just add all the programs i think is the best for me...i was doing LFS but i'm not fixing errors only using a commandline! |
| 05:59.09 | Iu | how do I start dbndns? it doesn't seem to come with a init.d script D: |
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| 05:59.33 | simonrvn | Kalvin: you can already do that.. just skip tasksel entirely |
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| 06:09.14 | yac | do i need to alias my dev to a module? |
| 06:09.25 | yac | like eth0 to sky2 driver module |
| 06:10.45 | simonrvn | no |
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| 06:30.43 | ReKlipz | how do I install X11 from sid into lenny? |
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| 06:31.17 | ReKlipz | I remember there being some apt.conf trickery based upon packages, but I don't remember how it works. |
| 06:31.41 | \amethyst | ReKlipz: it's not really possible at this point without switching a lot more than just Xorg |
| 06:32.06 | ReKlipz | \amethyst: such as? |
| 06:32.27 | rozie | ReKlipz: apt-pinning is the keyword |
| 06:33.00 | ReKlipz | rozie: thanks, that sounds right |
| 06:33.01 | donkehofdarkness | o rly? |
| 06:33.08 | ReKlipz | \amethyst: it wouldn't break gdm would it? |
| 06:33.42 | ReKlipz | really, what I'm after is a newer version of Mesa 3D / DRI, so I can get GL 2.0 on my Intel GL965 |
| 06:33.53 | \amethyst | ReKlipz: hal for one |
| 06:34.22 | ReKlipz | ah, so X is starting to play nicely |
| 06:34.49 | rozie | IIRC upgrading xorg is like upgrading half of the system |
| 06:35.17 | \amethyst | ReKlipz: it's actually doesn't look quite as bad as I was initially remembering |
| 06:35.29 | ReKlipz | bummer. Perhaps I'll try compiling current Xorg (7.0.whatever?) with a newer DRI / Mesa 3D |
| 06:35.45 | ReKlipz | or perhaps I don't need a whole new X |
| 06:36.01 | ReKlipz | libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx might fix it? |
| 06:36.28 | \amethyst | ReKlipz: newest dri breaks older xserver-xorg-core |
| 06:36.35 | \amethyst | so you probably will have to upgrade X |
| 06:37.05 | \amethyst | I was at first thinking you'd also have to upgrade Gnome, but it's the other way around (if you upgrade to sid gnome, you must also upgrade to sid xorg) |
| 06:37.16 | ReKlipz | roger |
| 06:37.34 | elenril | wonders wtf were people who put hal configs to /usr/share were smoking |
| 06:37.37 | \amethyst | or grep -i '\.com' |
| 06:37.39 | \amethyst | doh |
| 06:37.39 | ReKlipz | well, if I'm going to do it manually, and it is such a large chunk of debian, I may as well just install sid |
| 06:38.38 | ReKlipz | why am I grepping that? |
| 06:40.03 | ReKlipz | !info |
| 06:41.13 | ReKlipz | ugh, how do I use the dpkg bot to tell me about apt-pinning? |
| 06:41.25 | ReKlipz | lol, got it... |
| 06:41.31 | simonrvn | !pinning |
| 06:41.31 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 06:45.16 | ReKlipz | excellent, thank you |
| 06:46.58 | ReKlipz | dpkg is a girl?! |
| 06:46.59 | dpkg | ReKlipz: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 06:47.56 | \amethyst | !gender |
| 06:48.00 | dpkg | I'm not sure |
| 06:48.05 | ReKlipz | leave |
| 06:48.09 | ReKlipz | !leave |
| 06:48.09 | dpkg | does her best tree impression |
| 06:48.16 | \amethyst | hah |
| 06:48.29 | \amethyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.29 | dpkg | \amethyst is female |
| 06:49.04 | ReKlipz | heh |
| 06:49.07 | \amethyst | !literal gender |
| 06:49.07 | dpkg | "gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)" |
| 06:49.30 | Kalvin | question....will kdm/x11 make scripts to start itself when i boot into my linux, or do i have to? |
| 06:49.33 | ReKlipz | !literal leave |
| 06:49.33 | dpkg | "leave" is "<action> does (his|her) best tree impression" |
| 06:49.37 | ReKlipz | :/ |
| 06:49.51 | simonrvn | Kalvin: the package takes care of that... |
| 06:50.20 | Kalvin | good....i would not wanna generate all those stuff by hand (yes, i installed a bare min system) |
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| 06:52.01 | peterrooney | Kalvin: kdm, gdm, or wdm take care of startup. can also start manually without rebooting with "/etc/init.d/_FOO_dm restart" |
| 06:52.22 | peterrooney | !literal literal |
| 06:52.22 | dpkg | "literal" is "<reply>(Passed|Failed)" |
| 06:52.34 | ReKlipz | lol |
| 06:52.57 | ReKlipz | is apt-get install xserver-xorg/unstable a good idea? |
| 06:53.01 | peterrooney | too many months with LisP |
| 06:53.46 | peterrooney | ReKlipz: i'd advise against it. |
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| 06:53.56 | ReKlipz | or more likely, apt-get -t unstable install xserver-xorg |
| 06:54.54 | peterrooney | ReKlipz: well, yes, that would `work', but why not just go with squeeze all the way? |
| 06:55.02 | ReKlipz | yeah, that's what I mentioned earlier |
| 06:55.09 | \amethyst | aptitude might resolve the dependencies better (or it might take forever trying to do so) |
| 06:55.15 | ReKlipz | what I really want to try is just libgl1-mesa-glx and -dri |
| 06:55.35 | ReKlipz | and, with apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx/unstable |
| 06:55.40 | ReKlipz | there are no unmet dependencies |
| 06:56.05 | ReKlipz | lol, but it is removing xorg and xserver-xorg |
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| 06:56.26 | peterrooney | well, then it might be an idea. be sure to keep a record of dependancies brought in |
| 06:56.44 | ReKlipz | peterrooney: well, squeeze doesn't have any newer Xorg |
| 06:56.49 | ReKlipz | i would have to go sid |
| 06:56.55 | ReKlipz | and it's not worth it at that point |
| 06:57.53 | ReKlipz | I'll just wait a day or two until I get my workstation back to test what I need |
| 06:58.36 | \amethyst | ReKlipz: because of libgl1-mesa-glx recommending the new libgl1-mesa-dri, and the latter breaking xserver-xorg-core < 2:1.5 |
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| 07:01.01 | ReKlipz | ahh |
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| 07:02.34 | ReKlipz | well, time to watch some Bullshit |
| 07:02.40 | ReKlipz | thanks all |
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| 07:03.06 | \amethyst | ReKlipz: you might be able to install a 7.4 version of libgl1-* if you can find one |
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| 07:04.45 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 07:12.48 | ajavid | oh |
| 07:12.54 | ajavid | hello there |
| 07:13.58 | fxiny | sends a hot black coffe to ajavid |
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| 07:14.06 | fxiny | ajavid: cry now :P |
| 07:14.13 | ajavid | fxiny, you are in italy yes? |
| 07:14.42 | ajavid | fxiny, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9QOOnEHTCc <- check this out about Rome its very nice |
| 07:15.02 | ajavid | thanks for the coffe but its 2 in the morning! :D |
| 07:15.09 | ajavid | a little too early |
| 07:15.20 | fxiny | ajavid: a vid ? i had enough of banana-wag-land things |
| 07:15.34 | ajavid | ok fine, you're missing out |
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| 07:16.13 | xingu | ajavid: how the hell are ya |
| 07:16.32 | fxiny | xingu: exactly ;) |
| 07:17.05 | ajavid | xingu, hey buddy long time no see, I'm doing great, thank you, and how are you? |
| 07:17.46 | xingu | swamped - new job since first of july, just about coming up for air now |
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| 07:18.02 | \amethyst | ajavid: subtitles for death metal... that's a brilliant idea |
| 07:18.13 | xingu | death metal karaoke? |
| 07:18.17 | ajavid | \amethyst, isn't it though, but the video man, excellent production |
| 07:18.24 | ajavid | \amethyst, the epic tale of the birth of Rome |
| 07:18.51 | xingu | I do believe you'd get your ass kicked for something like that |
| 07:19.09 | ajavid | xingu, I think i'll be alright ;) |
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| 07:20.10 | \amethyst | ajavid: I prefer Iron Maiden's "Alexander the Great", but I guess #debian-offtopic is that way --> |
| 07:20.19 | ajavid | indeed it is |
| 07:21.29 | ajavid | man |
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| 07:21.35 | ajavid | I just did 1200mb work package upgrading! |
| 07:21.40 | ajavid | jeezus |
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| 07:22.59 | xingu | ajavid: I've got a box where fmtutil-sys barfs because the tex sources are >5y old. :) |
| 07:23.08 | fxiny | ajavid: 1200Mb ? i bet you are still calling it "lenny" :P |
| 07:23.20 | ajavid | no this is a 6month old sid box |
| 07:23.24 | ajavid | I never updated it in a long time |
| 07:23.25 | ajavid | :) |
| 07:23.38 | ajavid | last update was about 6 months ago |
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| 07:25.29 | fxiny | he runs lenny : .30 kernel , custom xorg package version 32^32 , very stable ... |
| 07:25.47 | ajavid | well, when you're anal you're anal |
| 07:25.52 | ajavid | what can ya do |
| 07:25.53 | fxiny | me ? |
| 07:25.56 | ajavid | no me |
| 07:25.59 | ajavid | no man |
| 07:26.05 | ajavid | are you famiilar with the term 'anal retentive' |
| 07:26.05 | ajavid | ? |
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| 07:26.14 | fxiny | never heard of |
| 07:26.19 | ajavid | look it up |
| 07:26.35 | ajavid | it comes from freud's psycho sexual stages |
| 07:26.41 | fxiny | sounds latin |
| 07:26.42 | ajavid | anyway it means you don't wanna let go of stuff |
| 07:26.56 | ajavid | I don't wanna let go of lenny :D but I want new shiny stuff |
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| 07:28.14 | SJr | What is the state of the union with regards to Linux & 64 bit? |
| 07:28.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | it works. |
| 07:28.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | unless your not actually asking about wether linux works ... |
| 07:28.53 | purplepenguins | it's fine |
| 07:29.05 | SJr | will I run into any problems with VMWare by chance? |
| 07:29.07 | purplepenguins | i'm pretty sure flash works, and most things |
| 07:29.13 | purplepenguins | that i wouldn't know |
| 07:29.22 | Evet | Which VNC client do you suggest? |
| 07:29.25 | SJr | Hmmmm I'm debating on how much RAM i should get. |
| 07:29.51 | purplepenguins | the nicest vnc client i ever used was jollyvnc on the mac |
| 07:29.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | remember there are -bigmem kernels for the 32bit system |
| 07:29.57 | fxiny | SJr: vmware not working with 64 bit ? |
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| 07:30.11 | Cryptic_Donkey | SJr i would recommend that you amx out the machine on eram |
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| 07:30.33 | purplepenguins | you can still use 4+ GB of ram on 32bit with -bigmem kernels |
| 07:30.48 | SJr | Kamping_Kaiser, wait you mean I could use more than 4 GB of RAM with 32 bit? |
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| 07:30.55 | SJr | cool |
| 07:31.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes. |
| 07:31.01 | SJr | Why would anyone ever run 64 bit then? |
| 07:31.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | theres so many answers to that I wont bother ... |
| 07:31.35 | cast | 64bit debian works great, been using it for ages [years?] |
| 07:31.45 | SJr | such as? |
| 07:31.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | remarks that Alpha only comes in 64bit :) |
| 07:31.53 | Nikke | why cant i run 'ifconfig' in the terminal? :O |
| 07:31.55 | donkehofdarkness | speed |
| 07:31.55 | Evet | Kamping_Kaiser, 32bit debian doesnt support my 4+ gb ram :) |
| 07:32.01 | SJr | Nikke, probably not in your path |
| 07:32.04 | purplepenguins | 64bit is preferable for most number crunching |
| 07:32.06 | cast | Nikke: you can. try /sbin/ifconfig |
| 07:32.10 | purplepenguins | and hpc |
| 07:32.16 | Nikke | purplepenguins: ah ;) |
| 07:32.17 | Nikke | thank you man |
| 07:32.18 | cast | 64bit strikes me as perferable in the general case |
| 07:32.21 | omid8bimo | testing debain unstable on HP DV2 {AMD Athlon Neo CPU} |
| 07:32.22 | donkehofdarkness | I hear it's faster for video encoding |
| 07:32.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | Evet: grab -bigmem kernel |
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| 07:32.26 | SJr | hmmmmm |
| 07:32.38 | cast | donkehofdarkness: oggenc is 1/3 faster iirc, |
| 07:32.39 | Nikke | purplepenguins: how can i add it to my 'path'? |
| 07:32.57 | purplepenguins | add what to what? I think you mean cast Nikke |
| 07:32.59 | SJr | Nikke you probably want to su to root, since you can't do anything other than look as a regular user |
| 07:33.00 | Evet | why i need to choose 32bit instead of 64bit |
| 07:33.10 | purplepenguins | you don't need to choose 32bit |
| 07:33.15 | SJr | hmmmmm |
| 07:33.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg has a factoid about this. wonder what it is |
| 07:33.23 | dpkg | Kamping_Kaiser: I give up, what is it? |
| 07:33.25 | purplepenguins | though i'd investigate if vmware is nice with 64bit , i'd imagine it is |
| 07:33.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | !32bit |
| 07:33.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | nope. |
| 07:33.38 | Evet | :p |
| 07:33.45 | purplepenguins | !64bit |
| 07:33.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, 64bit is http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ http://www.debian.org/ports/alpha/ and http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/, or http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ |
| 07:33.55 | purplepenguins | well, that is instructive |
| 07:34.03 | purplepenguins | but who uses alpha anymore... |
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| 07:34.17 | cast | i saw an alpha on friday, running :) |
| 07:34.24 | owen1_ | is there a way to do build-dep in aptitude? |
| 07:34.32 | cast | owen1_: nah :( |
| 07:34.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | purplepenguins: *cough* |
| 07:34.36 | SJr | Hmmmm |
| 07:34.37 | purplepenguins | i saw a dec pizzabox, in pieces |
| 07:34.38 | owen1_ | and if not, is it ok to use it? |
| 07:34.47 | purplepenguins | presume it used an alpha but it was missing |
| 07:34.55 | cast | owen1_: what i sometimes do is run apt-get build-dep and then grab what apt-get was going to grab with aptitude, |
| 07:35.00 | purplepenguins | okay, we have one |
| 07:35.08 | cast | owen1_: which is a bit nasty. |
| 07:35.23 | owen1_ | cast: got it, and what happened if i'll use apt-get? |
| 07:35.30 | purplepenguins | alpha was pretty nifty back in the 90's |
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| 07:35.58 | cast | owen1_: i think everything will be OK, |
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| 07:37.15 | owen1_ | cast: what is the main difference between aptitude install and apt-get build-dep? is the latter only install your dependencies? |
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| 07:38.28 | simonrvn | aptitude supports build-dep in squeeze+ |
| 07:38.30 | cast | apt-get is different to aptitude, but in recent releases they probably play together more niely |
| 07:39.00 | owen1_ | but isn't aptitude install will install the dependencies as well? |
| 07:39.26 | \amethyst | owen1_: build-dep installs the dependencies needed to *build* a package, install the dependencies necessary to *run* it. The two are different |
| 07:39.28 | cast | sure, so will apt-get |
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| 07:40.18 | \amethyst | owen1_: for example, the Depends will often include things like libfoo0, while Build-Depends will usually include libfoo-dev |
| 07:40.30 | \amethyst | s/often/usually/ |
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| 07:41.27 | owen1_ | \amethyst: got it |
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| 07:46.35 | Nikke | i installed gnome when i installed debian, but now i have xfce and want to remove gnome.. should i just run aptitude remove gnome and all gnome packages will be removed? |
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| 07:46.53 | owen1_ | sudo apt-get build-dep ruby1.8 => E: Unable to find a source package for ruby1.8 |
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| 07:47.28 | Evet | owen1_, apt-get update |
| 07:47.31 | \amethyst | owen1_: do you have deb-src lines in sources.list ? |
| 07:47.42 | \amethyst | !deb-src |
| 07:47.43 | dpkg | from memory, deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
| 07:47.58 | owen1_ | \amethyst: good idea.. |
| 07:48.16 | \amethyst | (you'll probably need to update after adding them) |
| 07:48.36 | \amethyst | as Evet suggests |
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| 07:48.50 | Evet | ~_~ |
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| 07:50.53 | owen1_ | it's the first time i use apt-get (i always use aptitude) so i hope it's not going to mess up something |
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| 07:52.11 | owen1_ | or i can take cast's advice, and install all the packages with aptitude |
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| 07:53.39 | \amethyst | the worst that will happen is that aptitude will think some of the automatically-installed packages were manually installed |
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| 07:54.27 | \amethyst | and so won't remove them automatically when you remove the depending packages... this would affect packages depended on by the build-depends that aren't themselves in the build-depends |
| 07:55.12 | owen1_ | ok. i think i'll use aptitude. sounds scary to me |
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| 07:59.12 | zophy | anyone know if creative audigy 4 cards work well with linux ? |
| 07:59.48 | Cryptic_Donkey | my pannel is looking at me |
| 07:59.56 | zophy | -n |
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| 08:04.08 | tawan | !beep |
| 08:04.09 | dpkg | from memory, beep is echo -ne '\a'. A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ask me about <bell>. |
| 08:04.25 | tawan | !bell |
| 08:04.25 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module. Also ask me about <shell beep>. |
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| 08:05.53 | tawan | !blacklist |
| 08:05.54 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 08:09.45 | blouf | hi there |
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| 08:16.05 | udiio | Q: how do I easily touch the "Version" line of a deb control file from bash? |
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| 08:17.30 | blouf | u could touch a file, not a line |
| 08:18.32 | udiio | blouf, yeah - I mean "touch" - increment the version |
| 08:18.44 | udiio | blouf, or put a timestamp |
| 08:19.27 | blouf | when creating the deb files there's a specific file to edit |
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| 08:31.31 | MTughan | I'm trying to download Debian 5.0.2 using BitTorrent, but I'm getting no response from the tracker. Is BitTorrent working? |
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| 08:36.03 | OpenTokix | MTughan: I use bittornado |
| 08:36.27 | MTughan | BitTorrent there wasn't a reference to my client... I use Transmission. |
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| 08:40.37 | djj | MTughan: tracker seems to be working fine for me |
| 08:41.23 | MTughan | bttracker.debian.org? |
| 08:41.37 | djj | yes |
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| 08:44.14 | MTughan | Hmm, I still can't get a response... It downloaded fine through DHT, but that is odd. |
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| 08:49.30 | \amethyst | sure looks like one :) |
| 08:49.32 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 09:03.28 | simonrvn | i don't get anything from transmission either... |
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| 09:06.02 | simonrvn | something wrong with the tracker i think... |
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| 09:08.41 | simonrvn | ah, nope... with bittornado i get either reset by peer or requested download not authorized by this tracker |
| 09:08.45 | simonrvn | weird |
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| 09:13.30 | _AnywhereIs_ | hello guys, i have trouble with iptables on debian... i spent hours already trying to get this simple config to work. i'm forwarding several ports. the ones i forward are the ones i cannot reach. i mean my servers are all work and available from internet but i cannot send any queries to the listed ports i forwared from inside. i cannot work on HTTP, HTTPS and other ports from it, i can't even see my SYN packets passed to ppp0 in tcpdump. the config |
| 09:13.31 | _AnywhereIs_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:14.20 | _AnywhereIs_ | what could be the problem those packets never reach ppp0 so never go out to internet? |
| 09:14.51 | _AnywhereIs_ | the ports i didn't tried forward with that config are all available: like freenode's IRC thru my proxy. |
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| 09:15.59 | rozie | _AnywhereIs_: why do you forward port from inside? |
| 09:16.19 | _AnywhereIs_ | rozie: how's that? |
| 09:16.25 | _AnywhereIs_ | where's an error? |
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| 09:17.09 | rozie | I don't know what do you mean "ports i forwared from inside" |
| 09:17.46 | _AnywhereIs_ | i cannot access any of ports i forwarded. on the net. |
| 09:17.58 | rozie | oh. |
| 09:18.08 | _AnywhereIs_ | my ports are available and i can reach 192.168.168.1 from the net by my white ip(ppp0) |
| 09:18.17 | rozie | you mean you forward port 80 to machine behind NAT on router |
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| 09:18.31 | xingu | _AnywhereIs_: is eth1's actual address 192.168.168.1 ? |
| 09:18.33 | _AnywhereIs_ | yes. 192.168.168.1 is my localhost im working on now. |
| 09:18.39 | rozie | and other machines can't connect to any port 80 on the net? |
| 09:18.42 | _AnywhereIs_ | 192.168.168.192 eth1 |
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| 09:19.02 | _AnywhereIs_ | rozie: mine can't. any port 80, 443, etc listed there |
| 09:19.09 | _AnywhereIs_ | i don't have others yet |
| 09:19.39 | _AnywhereIs_ | packet is simply doesn't wanna go to ppp0. i didn't seen it thru tcpdump |
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| 09:19.56 | _AnywhereIs_ | it is stuck behind eth1 and router |
| 09:20.07 | xingu | _AnywhereIs_: do you get a RST back if you try to connect to port 443 from hosts on the eth0 side? ie if you use telnet, does it return connection refused? |
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| 09:20.09 | iofafo | hey guys, I'm in run-level 2... and in 6 I don't have /sbin/init ... how might one go abouts fixing this problem? |
| 09:20.13 | rozie | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.168.1 |
| 09:20.14 | _AnywhereIs_ | no xingu |
| 09:20.19 | rozie | add -i there |
| 09:20.39 | _AnywhereIs_ | xingu: oh wait i'll check for sure... hold on |
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| 09:20.57 | _AnywhereIs_ | i tried with -I PREROUTING |
| 09:21.02 | _AnywhereIs_ | it is same result |
| 09:21.03 | rozie | no. |
| 09:21.10 | rozie | -i ppp0 |
| 09:21.14 | rozie | or similar |
| 09:21.35 | rozie | now all traffic which comes to router on port 80 is directed to 192.168.168.1 |
| 09:21.48 | _AnywhereIs_ | yes but that doesn't matter |
| 09:21.55 | _AnywhereIs_ | i cannot access port 80 from inner side |
| 09:22.14 | xingu | rozie: that's exactly what I'm thinking, the traffic is going to be sunk straight to the local host and there's nothing listening |
| 09:22.36 | rozie | _AnywhereIs_: no you can't. run tethereal on 192.168.168.1 |
| 09:22.47 | rozie | you'll see pacet outgoing and comming back |
| 09:22.52 | rozie | packet* |
| 09:23.25 | _AnywhereIs_ | xingu: from router ports are available. it seem router doesn't accept those packets from me for some reason: i donno why bc i have OUTPUT default policy as ACCEPT(see my config) |
| 09:24.06 | rozie | can you check, what I wrote? |
| 09:25.08 | _AnywhereIs_ | damn... that one worked. |
| 09:25.21 | _AnywhereIs_ | going to check for all other ports... |
| 09:25.41 | rozie | that's not a matter of port, but of the iface |
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| 09:26.31 | rozie | it just did what you asked about - redirected *all* traffic with destination port 80 to 192.168.168.1 |
| 09:27.05 | _AnywhereIs_ | i cannot really understand it yet but it works :) |
| 09:27.09 | _AnywhereIs_ | problem solved |
| 09:27.12 | rozie | (all from nat table) |
| 09:27.17 | _AnywhereIs_ | thanks rozie and xingu :) |
| 09:27.43 | rozie | and it worked from router, because packets from it do not go through nat table |
| 09:28.02 | _AnywhereIs_ | yeh i know they passed directly |
| 09:28.24 | _AnywhereIs_ | im just working on this whole morning so a bit tired. it's for 5 hours since i started digging it |
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| 09:28.29 | _AnywhereIs_ | :)) |
| 09:28.30 | Nikke | anyone uses mpd? |
| 09:28.31 | Nikke | listen: Failed to listen on 127.0.0.1 (line 69): Address already in use |
| 09:28.38 | Nikke | i cant do 'mpd --create-db' |
| 09:28.43 | yang | http://packages.qa.debian.org down ? |
| 09:28.54 | _AnywhereIs_ | 127.0.0.1:69 is already used Nikke? |
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| 09:29.11 | _AnywhereIs_ | oh damn... |
| 09:29.24 | Nikke | no not port 69 |
| 09:29.24 | _AnywhereIs_ | i gotta go take a rest now :0 |
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| 09:29.39 | cahoot | yang: there's a posting on debian-user with the same observation |
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| 09:29.58 | rozie | _AnywhereIs_: take a rest ;) |
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| 09:31.51 | nsadmin | lien sixtynien |
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| 09:36.13 | iofafo | when I run showmount -e I get portmap getport: RPC: Succes |
| 09:36.17 | iofafo | can anyone explain this ? |
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| 09:37.58 | DevilChaos | hi folks i have made a school boy error and dont know how to fix it i have lost my window borders and start menu in kde and my key map is fubar aswell can someone help me out fixing it please_ |
| 09:38.40 | purplepenguins | how does one lose window borders? |
| 09:38.48 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 09:39.17 | DevilChaos | trying to get a window to descale as i couldnt see the bottom half of it to enable a theme |
| 09:39.44 | DevilChaos | abrotman you there? |
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| 09:40.02 | Apteno | Hello |
| 09:40.06 | purplepenguins | you can add a new K menu by right-clicking the panel and going to the option to add things to it |
| 09:40.36 | DevilChaos | arg i cant believe ive done this |
| 09:40.43 | Apteno | I have a problem with rkhunter, he send me a warning : "Warning: The modules file '/proc/modules' is missing.". Modules are desactivate in my kernel, it's just normal. How to delete this warning ? |
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| 09:40.50 | DevilChaos | lol it would be good if there were a panel |
| 09:41.16 | purplepenguins | ah, i think you can add a panel from the control panel thing |
| 09:41.33 | purplepenguins | is this kde 3.x or 4.x? |
| 09:41.45 | purplepenguins | i must admit my knowledge is restricted to the former |
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| 09:43.09 | Apteno | There is no white list in debian for rkhunter ? |
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| 09:54.21 | Apteno | nobody ? :( |
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| 09:56.09 | sunru | hello, I'm interested in knowing the reasons for exim4 to be the default mta? |
| 09:56.22 | sunru | sorry |
| 09:56.37 | sunru | hello, I'm interested in knowing the reasons as to why exim4 was chosen as the default mta? |
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| 09:58.35 | rsmith | You probably think postfix is a better choice? :) |
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| 09:58.46 | sunru | no |
| 09:59.04 | sunru | i'm not like that, everything sucks as default. :) |
| 09:59.20 | rsmith | so a better question, then, is why not exim? |
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| 10:00.51 | sunru | Just interested in opinions. |
| 10:01.17 | sunru | this whole "replacing sendmail" is getting kinda old. |
| 10:01.45 | themill | !why exim |
| 10:01.45 | dpkg | Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/06/msg00476.html, or see http://feayn.org/~lewis/exim.txt |
| 10:01.53 | G__81 | hi i am using Ubuntu 9.04 and would like to move to debian. Though i was a debian user and now have been out of touch with the releases.I did follow the lenny release and now i want to install Debian on the laptop.The lenny packages look quite old so are there any releases in debian where you get something latest |
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| 10:02.26 | G__81 | i don't want something thats too new like fedora which sometimes screws up the desktop :) because of very new code |
| 10:02.26 | sunru | thanks. |
| 10:02.39 | G__81 | hi themill |
| 10:02.57 | G__81 | its an intel core 2 duo processor |
| 10:03.07 | cast | G__81: i use lenny on my laptop, with a bpo kernel, tis all good |
| 10:03.14 | sunru | G__81: sounds like you should stick with ubuntu in reference to your last sentence. |
| 10:03.17 | themill | G__81: "I don't want anything new" "lenny looks old". Which bits of lenny look old? |
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| 10:03.52 | G__81 | themill for example gnome it comes with 2.22 right ? |
| 10:04.01 | G__81 | and KDE it comes with 3.5.9 |
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| 10:04.20 | G__81 | sunru why do you say i should stick with ubuntu? |
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| 10:06.32 | sunru | ok I see postfix is welcome on debian :P |
| 10:06.51 | G__81 | can someone help me on this ? |
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| 10:07.14 | G__81 | i know there is something called sid and is there something called as unstable ? |
| 10:07.17 | themill | G__81: no-one can help you with that choice until you know what you actually want. My advice would be for you to run stable. |
| 10:07.27 | anddam | is there a system tool to configure wireless network? |
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| 10:07.44 | themill | anddam: iwconfig from wireless-tools |
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| 10:07.57 | anddam | themill: no I meant an automatic tool |
| 10:08.02 | cast | guesses a textfile isn't what anddam had in mind |
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| 10:08.17 | sunru | I'm cheap I choose whatever is cheaper. |
| 10:08.21 | G__81 | themill i want to run a debian release on my laptop which is not very old . i believe there is something called as SID which has some new packages right? |
| 10:08.22 | themill | dpkg: tell anddam about wireless connection managers |
| 10:08.22 | anddam | I usually edit /etc/network/interfaces but I was wondering if there's a "standard" way |
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| 10:08.48 | bzed | G__81: sid == unstable == don't use it if you don't know what you're doing. |
| 10:09.00 | bzed | !sid |
| 10:09.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
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| 10:09.12 | sunru | runs a sid snapshot and is happy to stay on it for a few months. |
| 10:09.13 | ukl | hello. Could someone please tell me which kernel is used in debian-live 5.0.1? I just can't find it |
| 10:09.54 | bzed | ukl: the kernel from lenny, one would assume. |
| 10:10.12 | G__81 | you suggest me to use debian 5.0 right ? |
| 10:10.23 | bzed | G__81: yes. |
| 10:11.10 | G__81 | ok are there updates for gnome in that ? i mean if i want to move to a recent release if not 2.26 atleast 2.24 ? |
| 10:11.30 | ukl | bzed: oh, ok. which is 2.6.26, right? |
| 10:12.31 | themill | G__81: You need to decide if you what shiny new stuff or stuff that doesn't break. You keep talking about having both but that's not the way it works, /msg dpkg sns syndrome |
| 10:12.44 | sunru | hehe |
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| 10:13.23 | G__81 | so isnt gnome 2.24 also not stable yet? |
| 10:13.30 | G__81 | is that what you mean ? |
| 10:13.40 | valdyn | G__81: no, thats not how it works either |
| 10:13.52 | MTughan | How do you change the screen resolution in Debian 5.0.2? I've got it installed in a VM, but the default resolution is much too big for the native screen, and the screen resolution tool doesn't show anything. |
| 10:13.53 | themill | dpkg: tell G__81 about stable |
| 10:13.56 | mreh | can anyone suggest in which package I might find the C library GL? |
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| 10:14.08 | anddam | themill: ifscheme is probably what I was searching for |
| 10:14.13 | G__81 | i understand KDE 4.x is under heavy development and i can understand that but gnome 2.24 not being stable is ..... |
| 10:14.18 | valdyn | G__81: debian or any distro is a package deal, you dont get to pick each components version |
| 10:14.34 | themill | G__81: read what dpkg just said to you again in a message. |
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| 10:15.33 | G__81 | ok themill i understand it |
| 10:15.36 | G__81 | thanks for it |
| 10:15.52 | taras | are there log for what packages were installed in apt? |
| 10:16.00 | valdyn | taras: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 10:16.28 | G__81 | i want to download debian using torrents can i just download the DVD-1.torrernt ? |
| 10:16.39 | valdyn | G__81: yes |
| 10:16.44 | G__81 | that would have a full functional system right ? |
| 10:16.50 | valdyn | G__81: yes |
| 10:16.56 | bzed | G__81: you could use the netinstallcd.you only need a dvd if you want to install debian without internet access |
| 10:16.57 | themill | taras: if you use aptitude (which you should), then aptitude also has a more readable log |
| 10:16.57 | purplepenguins | you can get a fully functional system from any of the installs |
| 10:17.09 | purplepenguins | it just might be a little smaller |
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| 10:17.30 | G__81 | valdyn i want the tools for development. Compilers etc and what does the remaining DVDs contain.just other packages right ? |
| 10:17.44 | valdyn | G__81: yes |
| 10:17.56 | G__81 | i am aware debian has got hell lot of packages so are those in the other DVDs ? |
| 10:18.03 | valdyn | G__81: most debian users dont use dvds to get packages, they use the internets |
| 10:18.05 | taras | themill: I use synaptic, but thats dpkg log, so is availible? |
| 10:18.06 | purplepenguins | you can always grab what you don't need from the internet repositores |
| 10:18.09 | bzed | G__81: again: you do not need a dvdif you have internet access. |
| 10:18.23 | anddam | and is there an interface to enable disable services in runlevels rather than handling S- and K-link by hand? |
| 10:18.25 | bzed | G__81: it absolutely doesn't make sense to download dvds in most cases |
| 10:18.26 | themill | taras: dpkg still does the installation so it's still logged |
| 10:18.26 | purplepenguins | err, what you don't have, |
| 10:18.30 | G__81 | bzed my ISP limits download :( |
| 10:18.44 | purplepenguins | you still have to download the dvd's don't you? |
| 10:18.51 | purplepenguins | the dvd's are very big |
| 10:18.58 | mreh | I having difficultly finding the package for the C library "GL" on the debian package website |
| 10:18.59 | purplepenguins | and probably have amore than you need by vfar |
| 10:19.11 | valdyn | mreh: theres no GL library |
| 10:19.12 | taras | btw, I just finished with compiling kde4.3.0 - how to setup it kdm? |
| 10:19.20 | valdyn | mreh: maybe you mean libgl1-mesa-dev |
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| 10:20.24 | themill | mreh: "/msg dpkg apt-file" -- that's often provided by your graphics driver |
| 10:20.27 | mreh | valdyn, good call, thanks |
| 10:20.34 | MTughan | How do you change the screen resolution in Debian 5.0.2? I've got it installed in a VM, but the default resolution is much too big for the native screen, and the screen resolution tool doesn't show anything. |
| 10:20.43 | G__81 | ok let me start the download :) |
| 10:21.00 | themill | dpkg: tell MTughan about configure xorg |
| 10:21.15 | MTughan | Blank string. xorg.conf is empty too. |
| 10:21.27 | themill | dpkg: tell MTughan about xorg config |
| 10:21.32 | themill | dpkg stupid bot |
| 10:21.32 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 10:21.36 | MTughan | That's better, thanks. |
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| 10:22.00 | MTughan | The problem is that xrandr shows no resolutions. |
| 10:22.19 | MTughan | So X seems to have defaulted to a massive resolution. |
| 10:22.24 | valdyn | MTughan: that vm is probably only supporting vesa |
| 10:22.38 | valdyn | MTughan: vesa driver has no xrandr support iirc |
| 10:22.45 | MTughan | Possible. |
| 10:23.20 | themill | MTughan: "X -configure" and then edit the xorg.conf file by hand might be your only choice |
| 10:23.22 | iofafo | question! |
| 10:23.22 | MTughan | I'm trying to get the drivers from it installed, but the Makefile seems to have a bug and so I have to debug it. Makes it hard if I have to keep switching out from the VM to scroll around. |
| 10:23.36 | MTughan | themill: All right, thanks. |
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| 10:24.55 | iofafo | if I copy over / from one installtion of Ubuntu to another ... rewriting the entire root of the others, would that be a good solution to inswtalling it clean assumgin they're the same versions? |
| 10:24.57 | bzed | mreh: I guess you're looking for the libgl1-mesa-glx package |
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| 10:25.34 | mreh | bzed: I don't really know, I've just had some dependencies that needed resolving when I was installing openGL for Haskell |
| 10:25.46 | mreh | so I opted for the dev packages |
| 10:26.00 | mreh | it seems to have worked |
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| 10:26.37 | themill | iofafo: try #ubuntu for ubuntu questions. |
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| 10:27.07 | iofafo | themill: well in general, would you recommend that as a viable solution for any Linux distro? |
| 10:27.12 | eshat | Hi all,... I am looking for a good rails IDE like TextMate in OS X, any ideas ? |
| 10:27.41 | rudi_s | eshat: vim/emacs as always ;-) |
| 10:27.56 | iofafo | yea, vim is the best certainly |
| 10:28.02 | purplepenguins | there is no editor exactly like textmate in OSX |
| 10:28.20 | themill | iofafo: sounds like a great way of breaking a lot of things. There's lots of hostname or hardware specific settings in /etc, for instance |
| 10:28.45 | taras | eclipse is universal notepad :) |
| 10:29.20 | purplepenguins | redcar is an editor written in ruby, there's eclipse of course |
| 10:29.23 | eshat | rudi_s: seems like emacs, does not recognize all syntax high lighting of rails files |
| 10:29.27 | mreh | eclipse is pretty impressive |
| 10:29.42 | purplepenguins | and emacs and vim if you want to learn a traditional editor |
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| 10:30.03 | rudi_s | eshat: I don't use Emacs (only Vim) but I'm sure there are scripts for rails available, just search. |
| 10:30.36 | purplepenguins | eshat: there isn't yet a definiteive rails mode in emacs |
| 10:30.49 | eshat | :( |
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| 10:31.09 | eshat | maybe in emacs23, I ll try that. Nice to be on sid ;) |
| 10:31.19 | donkehofdarkness | o_O |
| 10:31.20 | purplepenguins | they hvae excellent ruby modes though |
| 10:31.24 | donkehofdarkness | O_o |
| 10:31.38 | eshat | purplepenguins: who ? |
| 10:31.42 | purplepenguins | emacs |
| 10:32.22 | purplepenguins | there is an emacs-rails package on rubyforge |
| 10:32.27 | purplepenguins | could be good, i've never tried it |
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| 10:32.44 | eshat | purplepenguins: I think they didn't devolope for one year on that |
| 10:33.27 | mreh | does debian currently ship with an alternative to macromedia flash? |
| 10:33.38 | mreh | as default |
| 10:33.45 | donkehofdarkness | it has that one thing |
| 10:33.48 | anddam | what are flash alternatives? |
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| 10:33.54 | themill | !flash |
| 10:33.54 | dpkg | somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 10:33.56 | purplepenguins | gnash |
| 10:34.00 | donkehofdarkness | it sux |
| 10:34.04 | purplepenguins | yeah it does |
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| 10:34.15 | purplepenguins | and since flash 10 is well-supported in linux now... |
| 10:34.17 | mreh | I've got something installed, and it's broken |
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| 10:34.23 | purplepenguins | well, it's okay anyway |
| 10:34.36 | anddam | purplepenguins: is that only intel? |
| 10:34.48 | donkehofdarkness | I used gnash a few years ago and it was useless |
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| 10:35.14 | cantoma | guys, does anyone (who uses kile) .. is possible to have the spelling underlined while typing? |
| 10:35.18 | donkehofdarkness | it's the only option for PPC though |
| 10:35.20 | donkehofdarkness | =/ |
| 10:35.29 | purplepenguins | i don't know if it is |
| 10:35.46 | themill | cantoma: not in lenny. The development versions of kile for KDE4 apparently can do this though. |
| 10:35.51 | purplepenguins | i don't have a non-intel machine except a powermac g5, and it runs leopard |
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| 10:36.09 | cantoma | themill, so its being developed but its not stable |
| 10:36.15 | donkehofdarkness | I have a G3 and G4 but I never use them |
| 10:36.19 | donkehofdarkness | they're old and slow |
| 10:36.34 | purplepenguins | this powermac g5 is my fastest computer.. |
| 10:36.37 | donkehofdarkness | G3 is 300 and G4 is 466 |
| 10:36.46 | donkehofdarkness | MHz |
| 10:36.56 | anddam | donkehofdarkness: obviously :-) |
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| 10:37.01 | themill | cantoma: I'm not sure of its status. I don't believe that the version supporting that feature has been released yet. Check the kile website to find out... |
| 10:37.03 | donkehofdarkness | :P |
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| 10:37.49 | anddam | how's ARM support in debian? |
| 10:37.57 | donkehofdarkness | good |
| 10:38.00 | G__81 | i believe debian lenny got released on June 27th but there is a magazine here in my country which has given Debian Lenny in April :) |
| 10:38.08 | anddam | I was wondering about buying a Sheevaplug or a clone |
| 10:38.10 | G__81 | http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/topstories/source/2009/109040101.asp |
| 10:38.15 | purplepenguins | in june there was an update to lenny |
| 10:38.17 | themill | dpkg: tell G__81 about lenny |
| 10:38.29 | donkehofdarkness | You can run debian on the tmobile G1 thingy |
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| 10:38.34 | purplepenguins | or was that july |
| 10:38.38 | themill | G__81: lenny itself was released in February. There have been two updates since. |
| 10:39.00 | G__81 | themill oh ok thanks so i can install the one released in April and upgrade it ? |
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| 10:39.18 | G__81 | themill upgrade it online ? |
| 10:39.25 | themill | G__81: yes. There are fairly minimal changes. /msg dpkg point release |
| 10:39.35 | donkehofdarkness | it should update as it installs I think |
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| 10:41.17 | devD | I am trying, #apt-get install virtualbox and the output is "Unable to find a precompiled module for the current kernel!" |
| 10:41.28 | devD | please help me for this problem |
| 10:41.39 | cantoma | themill, the lastest unstable is a beta one "Kile 2.1 beta 1 release" but i don't know if it has that feature. I couldn't find a specifications of it in the website. Well i guess i would had to install KDE4 for it to work .. to much for my lenny |
| 10:41.41 | anddam | or a Pogoplug |
| 10:41.50 | muxfr | devD, it's virtualbox-ose |
| 10:41.53 | donkehofdarkness | http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Lenny |
| 10:42.02 | devD | muxfr, ok |
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| 10:42.24 | donkehofdarkness | aptitude install virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 10:42.55 | Evet | update-grub reboot |
| 10:43.13 | themill | cantoma: yeah... it will take a while for all the KDE apps to get ported to KDE4 and for the platform to become viable. |
| 10:43.16 | donkehofdarkness | I like to eat grub |
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| 10:44.11 | G__81 | wonderful the April Issue of the mag contains Debian 5 i believe thats 5.0 |
| 10:44.57 | donkehofdarkness | o rly? |
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| 10:45.05 | donkehofdarkness | it might be |
| 10:45.13 | G__81 | is it possible for me to get the release notes of Debian 5.0 |
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| 10:45.23 | purplepenguins | check debian.org |
| 10:45.28 | donkehofdarkness | yes |
| 10:45.32 | G__81 | purplepenguins it shows for 5.0.2 |
| 10:45.36 | donkehofdarkness | the internets will have that |
| 10:46.02 | purplepenguins | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 10:46.09 | G__81 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ |
| 10:46.18 | purplepenguins | or that |
| 10:46.21 | G__81 | ok but is that for 5.0.2 or 5.0 ? |
| 10:46.35 | donkehofdarkness | it says 5.0 at the top |
| 10:46.47 | purplepenguins | it includes the ones for the .1 and .2 releases as well |
| 10:46.52 | G__81 | so that means kernel 2.6.26 is in 5.0 itself |
| 10:46.57 | G__81 | if thats the case great |
| 10:47.04 | purplepenguins | yes |
| 10:47.10 | purplepenguins | i'm using it right now |
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| 10:48.42 | muxfr | I don't seem to be able to get my audio working |
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| 10:48.49 | muxfr | It's not muted, |
| 10:48.52 | anddam | bye |
| 10:48.58 | muxfr | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 10:48.59 | muxfr | 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc R700 Audio Device [Radeon HD 4000 Series] |
| 10:49.14 | donkehofdarkness | muxfr, pcm |
| 10:49.17 | donkehofdarkness | turn that up |
| 10:49.23 | donkehofdarkness | and front if you have that |
| 10:49.24 | muxfr | pcm? |
| 10:49.49 | cahoot | muxfr: try (as root) invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 10:49.59 | donkehofdarkness | right click the volume applet and go to volume control |
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| 10:51.07 | muxfr | cahoot, that got me a huge set of options |
| 10:51.16 | muxfr | donkehofdarkness, and? |
| 10:51.32 | donkehofdarkness | turn up pcm front |
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| 10:51.50 | donkehofdarkness | then edit>preferences |
| 10:51.50 | cahoot | muxfr: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 gave you options? |
| 10:51.58 | donkehofdarkness | and add one called "front" if it's there |
| 10:52.23 | donkehofdarkness | then turn that up too |
| 10:52.27 | G__81 | since you guys here are using debian, i want to know whether debian has got the latest free mind package which is 0.81 if not can it be installed in some other way. |
| 10:52.37 | cahoot | muxfr: it should simply unmute and set sane levels |
| 10:52.39 | themill | Making sure the right audio device is selected would be a good idea |
| 10:52.42 | G__81 | i know compilation is one option but can i apt-get it from some oehr repos ? |
| 10:52.51 | themill | dpkg: tell G__81 about search |
| 10:53.43 | G__81 | apt-search is one just curious before that itself :) |
| 10:53.49 | muxfr | donkehofdarkness,i did, but no audio still |
| 10:53.55 | donkehofdarkness | :( |
| 10:54.02 | G__81 | i dont have debian installed currently :) |
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| 10:54.13 | abrotman | G__81: packages.debian.org |
| 10:54.19 | slept | I am looking for a nice way to keep an overview over my logfiles and if possible monitor the system. It should include samba aswell, but there is no webserver/mailserver. So far I didn't find the right thing, nagios seems to be a bit of an overkill... |
| 10:54.39 | rudi_s | slept: logcheck? |
| 10:55.04 | muxfr | what if my cards aren't supported by alsa? |
| 10:55.12 | cahoot | it is |
| 10:55.26 | donkehofdarkness | slept, zenoss |
| 10:55.30 | muxfr | cahoot, I actually didn't find it there. |
| 10:55.33 | donkehofdarkness | http://www.zenoss.com/ |
| 10:55.50 | donkehofdarkness | they have a free version |
| 10:55.52 | cahoot | muxfr: try speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 10:56.13 | muxfr | http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/1531336 |
| 10:56.54 | slept | rudi_s: looks good I will give it a try |
| 10:57.28 | muxfr | cahoot, it's going like |
| 10:57.29 | muxfr | Time per period = 3.057650 |
| 10:57.29 | muxfr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.29 | muxfr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:58.06 | muxfr | but couldn't hear anything from that test. |
| 10:58.09 | bullgard4 | Is there a DEB program package for the SIP phone 'X-Lite'? |
| 10:58.29 | rudi_s | slept: debsecan is also useful to track known security problems. |
| 10:58.29 | cahoot | muxfr: you did run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 ? |
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| 10:58.49 | muxfr | cahoot, yes |
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| 10:59.40 | muxfr | maybe it need some modules or codecs for my cards |
| 10:59.52 | muxfr | because apparentlly my cards are recognizes but unable to be used. |
| 10:59.58 | dutchfish | hi, after the lastnight update i got some icons missing (KDE4 squeeze amd64) in oxygen theme, per example the restart button, how to solve it, it was all ok before update. |
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| 11:00.17 | muxfr | and the speakers used to work fine with windows. |
| 11:00.32 | cahoot | muxfr: external speakers? |
| 11:00.34 | muxfr | it's actualy an hp dv6 1105 ee |
| 11:00.38 | muxfr | labtop |
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| 11:01.35 | cahoot | muxfr: run lspci -vn and find out the pciid for # |
| 11:01.36 | cahoot | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
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| 11:02.55 | muxfr | cahoot, http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/1531342 |
| 11:03.36 | devD | how to solve "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." |
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| 11:05.21 | muxfr | devD, make sure synaptics is not running. |
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| 11:05.35 | devD | muxfr, how to do that |
| 11:05.41 | abrotman | devD: it tells you how to do it |
| 11:05.54 | abrotman | devD: it gives you the exact command to run |
| 11:06.04 | devD | abrotman, ok |
| 11:06.30 | muxfr | it's not an error I guess |
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| 11:08.15 | G__81 | and i could use the graphical installation in lenny 5.0 to install it completely right ? |
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| 11:08.18 | devD | ok |
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| 11:10.46 | G__81 | how are the releases supported in debian |
| 11:11.03 | G__81 | i used to use sarge some years back where sarge,woody were very prominent |
| 11:11.44 | abrotman | G__81: etch will have support for about another six months |
| 11:11.49 | G__81 | ubuntu has got something called LTS and its supported for 3 yrs and the others for 18 months fedora supports for about 6-7 months |
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| 11:12.23 | G__81 | ok so does the time frame come to about 6-7 months per release or more than that ? |
| 11:12.38 | G__81 | because of the fact that debian is installed in servers too |
| 11:12.39 | dutchfish | G__81, about a bit more |
| 11:12.44 | abrotman | usually about a year after it becomes 'oldstable' |
| 11:12.50 | bzed | G__81: you want to look what ubuntu really supports in their lts stuff.... a lot of important stuff is not supported |
| 11:13.40 | abrotman | and also understand that Debian releases less frequently than ubuntu .. not sure "LTS" is really needed |
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| 11:14.08 | purplepenguins | lenny will be supported into 2011 for sure |
| 11:14.15 | dutchfish | G__81, counting oldstable time too, you can tops run a debian box for about 2 years secure |
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| 11:14.31 | dutchfish | G__81, on the same release that is |
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| 11:15.20 | G__81 | oh ok let me try to understand this even more. We have 5.0 which got released in Feb 09 and then there are 2 updates for it the recent being June 09. Now these 2 updates are considered releases or just patches |
| 11:15.33 | purplepenguins | patches |
| 11:15.38 | abrotman | dutchfish: you won't know that until the current testing freezes .. sarge took forever to release, so woody was supported forever |
| 11:15.38 | dutchfish | G__81, right |
| 11:16.02 | purplepenguins | eventually, squeeze will be frozen, and eventually become stable |
| 11:16.07 | dutchfish | abrotman, sure, but oldstable will be the same time as to the next release |
| 11:16.20 | abrotman | dutchfish: there was no 'oldstable' back then |
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| 11:16.33 | abrotman | doesn't think there was anyways ... |
| 11:16.36 | dutchfish | abrotman, right again, yes, but now it is |
| 11:16.41 | G__81 | oh ok |
| 11:16.52 | purplepenguins | potato was pretty ripe and decomposed by the time sarge released |
| 11:16.58 | G__81 | and whats the current take on Mark's email to Debian list :) |
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| 11:17.08 | OpenTokix | What mail? |
| 11:17.09 | cahoot | muxfr: if you run alsamixer in a terminal, is there a 'speaker' entry to toggle? |
| 11:17.09 | abrotman | G__81: not really on-topic for this channel |
| 11:17.20 | G__81 | for the December Freeze |
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| 11:17.34 | G__81 | December freeze he means the 6.0 release is it? |
| 11:18.14 | muxfr | cahoot, no |
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| 11:19.16 | dutchfish | G__81, remember that Debian is quiet conservative in calling a release stable, so even the next release when frozen is quiet good |
| 11:19.31 | cahoot | muxfr: could you put the output of 'amixer scontrols' on a pastebin? |
| 11:19.38 | purplepenguins | lot's of people run testing |
| 11:19.52 | G__81 | is it easy to migrate to testing after installing 5.0 ? |
| 11:19.58 | G__81 | its just the change in the repos right? |
| 11:20.05 | abrotman | G__81: for an example, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 11:20.11 | G__81 | ok |
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| 11:20.26 | purplepenguins | if you're worried about long term support i don't imagine sticking with lenny is a bad idea |
| 11:20.28 | abrotman | G__81: really what you want to look at is the release notes |
| 11:20.31 | dutchfish | G__81, updating is always a tricky part on a prodyction server, backup, read the fine manuals, and yes, then it is not ot hard |
| 11:20.42 | donkehofdarkness | testing is probably more stable than a stable ubuntu :P |
| 11:20.43 | purplepenguins | at the moment lenny is pretty fresh |
| 11:20.46 | bullgard4 | Does Debian provide a DEB program package for the SIP phone 'X-Lite'? |
| 11:20.57 | G__81 | but for a laptop/desktop usage which is better |
| 11:21.03 | bzed | bullgard4: ask packages.debian.org |
| 11:21.10 | G__81 | and this is my only system :) |
| 11:21.18 | muxfr | cahoot, http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/1531361 |
| 11:21.20 | abrotman | G__81: only you can decide |
| 11:21.25 | G__81 | which i use for development,browsing everything :) |
| 11:21.30 | G__81 | abrotman :) |
| 11:21.33 | purplepenguins | nobody got burned using debian stable |
| 11:21.44 | abrotman | G__81: normally if you're new to debian, we'll tell you to use stable until you feel more comfortable |
| 11:21.47 | purplepenguins | but you won't have the latest & greatest |
| 11:22.06 | donkehofdarkness | right now I'm using debian lenny for desktops and servers, and Mint for my laptop |
| 11:22.06 | abrotman | G__81: so less things will be broken (hopefully none), but your software will be a little older |
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| 11:23.12 | G__81 | purplepenguins so does that mean Debian stable is for servers alone ? |
| 11:23.22 | abrotman | no |
| 11:23.24 | G__81 | where in you dont want to break things |
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| 11:23.38 | abrotman | G__81: that's not what it means at all .. lots of people run stable on their desktops/laptops |
| 11:23.54 | dutchfish | G__81, the best thing to do is, make a list of the services you box need and browse the PTS on install time, then decide what is th ebest aproach |
| 11:23.56 | purplepenguins | you don't want a broken deskto/laptop either |
| 11:24.39 | dutchfish | G__81, after all most of the time, the packages you need will decide what release is suitable |
| 11:24.51 | G__81 | yes thats true |
| 11:24.53 | abrotman | G__81: if it's your only machine, you would probably do best to have the main OS be 'stable', and run your own dev environment in a chroot or VM |
| 11:25.03 | bullgard4 | bzed: Did you think why I put this question here? |
| 11:25.09 | G__81 | abrotman yes makes sense really |
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| 11:25.36 | dutchfish | G__81, and also debian has nice tools to backport when needed, first approach is to go by stable, always |
| 11:25.41 | abrotman | G__81: so even if your dev environment goes belly up, your underlying OS should still function just as before |
| 11:25.53 | bzed | bullgard4: the usual answer would be you're either too lazy or were not able to find it there, in both cases there is nothing I can do for you. |
| 11:25.59 | G__81 | i got hurt lot of times when i was using fedora because of the fact that it uses too new code so the updates used to get installed and on restart my system used to get screwed up |
| 11:25.59 | Ben_150819 | wc |
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| 11:26.21 | purplepenguins | well, fedora has never been that stable... |
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| 11:26.29 | bzed | bullgard4: if it is not listed on packages.debian.org, the package is not in debian. |
| 11:26.32 | purplepenguins | (in my personal experience with fc 8 and 9) |
| 11:26.41 | G__81 | abrotman this has happened to me lot of times and thats the reason why i moved from fedora though i have contributed to it :) |
| 11:26.42 | dutchfish | purplepenguins, he thats why i am here ;) |
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| 11:27.01 | dutchfish | s/he/hey |
| 11:27.17 | abrotman | G__81: do you need a pointer to the installation media now? :) |
| 11:27.24 | G__81 | purplepenguins yes true fedora 11 again has got lot of problems i |
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| 11:27.32 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 11:27.32 | dpkg | it has been said that debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org. |
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| 11:27.40 | bzed | bullgard4: X-lite doesn't seem to be open-source, so it will never be in debian anyway |
| 11:28.02 | bullgard4 | bzed: Thank you very much for your information. |
| 11:28.37 | donkehofdarkness | I've used x-lite |
| 11:28.41 | purplepenguins | i loved debian when i used it first on sarge, when i came back to it with etch after a year on gentoo, and when i came back to it for lenny after two years on ubuntu/fedora/arch |
| 11:29.02 | G__81 | abrotman i would be getting the DVD today and am gonna install it. I am currently using Ubuntu 9.04 in my laptop though its good but from a developer's point of view i thought debian is great |
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| 11:29.05 | donkehofdarkness | Just download it from counterpath.com |
| 11:29.11 | donkehofdarkness | and run the binary |
| 11:29.16 | donkehofdarkness | it works great |
| 11:29.40 | G__81 | abrotman just wanted to know whether with the GUI installer i could install it fine. i know the apt stuff i could install whatever i want later on for sure |
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| 11:30.09 | G__81 | i am just concerned of the wireless, X and sound on debian 5 though :) |
| 11:30.12 | abrotman | G__81: the GUI installer is fine .. the text mode installer is the same, just no mouse |
| 11:30.14 | bzed | bullgard4: you could give twinkle a try, for example |
| 11:30.21 | abrotman | G__81: what is your wireless ? |
| 11:30.27 | G__81 | iwl3945 |
| 11:30.39 | G__81 | is what fedora and ubuntu uses |
| 11:30.40 | abrotman | !tell G__81 about iwl3945 |
| 11:30.59 | abrotman | G__81: so you'll need a cable/wired connection to get them firmware you'll need, but should be okay after that |
| 11:31.12 | donkehofdarkness | there's also qutecom |
| 11:31.24 | G__81 | oh is it :( ? |
| 11:31.49 | donkehofdarkness | it's still called wengophone in debian |
| 11:31.54 | G__81 | cant i get it working at all without the cable stuff ? |
| 11:31.55 | abrotman | G__81: debian tries not to distribute firmware in the main part of the distro |
| 11:32.03 | abrotman | !tell G__81 about installer firmware |
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| 11:32.32 | G__81 | and how about nvidia i have got Nvidia G8600 |
| 11:32.33 | G__81 | card |
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| 11:32.54 | abrotman | you'll need to install the binary driver separately |
| 11:32.58 | abrotman | !tell G__81 about nvidia |
| 11:33.06 | donkehofdarkness | it iz sleep time |
| 11:33.08 | donkehofdarkness | k bai |
| 11:33.15 | abrotman | and there are some people here that know more about it than others |
| 11:33.20 | cahoot | muxfr: this bugreport seems to concern your soundcard model: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508442 |
| 11:33.35 | G__81 | abrotman ok nvidia shouldnt be a problem i guess its like Ubuntu |
| 11:34.06 | abrotman | G__81: i don't buy stuff from nvidia, so I don't know much about it, but supposedly it's easy enough |
| 11:34.20 | G__81 | but a little upset of iwl3945 :( |
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| 11:35.39 | G__81 | but abrotman are you sure that after i install that 3945 its gonna work :) ? |
| 11:35.50 | G__81 | or will i have to recompile lot of things |
| 11:35.55 | G__81 | ? |
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| 11:36.09 | abrotman | G__81: you'll need the firmware, and that should be it |
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| 11:36.16 | G__81 | you mean the driver |
| 11:36.20 | G__81 | right ? |
| 11:36.22 | muxfr | cahoot, So what do you recommend for me to do now? |
| 11:36.26 | abrotman | the driver is there, the driver needs the firmware |
| 11:36.46 | G__81 | oh |
| 11:36.52 | rozie | G__81: iwl3945 works like a charm |
| 11:37.00 | abrotman | G__81: think of it like a car with no engine .. |
| 11:37.08 | G__81 | ok i ll do that i am gonna remove Ubuntu and overwrite it with Debian 5 |
| 11:37.15 | dutchfish | !tell G__81 about iwlwifi |
| 11:37.25 | G__81 | first backup my data and then move to debian |
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| 11:38.11 | marcel | G__81: installing the firmware after installation is pretty easy for iwl3945. its wil work if you have inet connection for the installation though ;x. but you can always load it from a mountable device |
| 11:40.45 | cahoot | muxfr: could you try aplay -vv -Dplughw:0,3 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav ? |
| 11:40.48 | omid8bimo | hoooooooray! Happy Birthday 16th Debian ><><><>< :) http://news.debian.net/2009/08/16/happy-birthday-debian/ |
| 11:41.03 | Open_ | haaaappy birthday to you |
| 11:41.09 | Open_ | haaaappy birthday dear Debiannnnn |
| 11:41.14 | Open_ | haaaappy birthday to youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. |
| 11:42.07 | marcel | 16 already =) |
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| 11:43.15 | muxfr | cahoot, cahoot no such a file, but I already tried mplayer no gui, even with movies, it can play movies, but can't hear anything. |
| 11:43.40 | cahoot | muxfr: try aplay -vv -Dplughw:0,1 etc |
| 11:44.38 | taras | is `Option "Composite" "Enable"` enabled by default in lenny? I've compiled kde4.3.0 from sources - effects doesn't work |
| 11:45.54 | G__81 | ok got to go now |
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| 11:45.58 | muxfr | cahoot, http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/1531380 |
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| 11:46.17 | G__81 | let me install Debian 5 and come online and then help me with the wireless stuff :) |
| 11:46.19 | G__81 | please |
| 11:46.41 | G__81 | abrotman,purplepenguins thanks for your time and support |
| 11:46.54 | G__81 | appreciate the discussion :) |
| 11:47.00 | G__81 | and Happy Birthday to Debian |
| 11:47.01 | purplepenguins | debian is 16 already? |
| 11:47.03 | purplepenguins | damn |
| 11:47.09 | G__81 | purplepenguins cya |
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| 11:47.31 | cahoot | muxfr: and aplay -vv -Dplughw:0,0 is also mute I take it |
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| 11:49.22 | muxfr | cahoot, the same thing goes with 0.0 |
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| 11:51.55 | dutchfish | mta`chrono, every dir gets a slash added at the end of it sname in the listing |
| 11:51.56 | muxfr | cahoot, are there any missing modules that I should add to my etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ? |
| 11:51.59 | mudder | ls -p will display a slash following directory names |
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| 11:52.53 | mta`chrono | and why do people need it? for what case? can you maybe make an example? |
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| 11:53.21 | dutchfish | mta`chrono, in string conversion (scripting) as an example |
| 11:54.02 | mta`chrono | okay, that makes sense, idee :-) thank you @dutchfish |
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| 11:54.09 | mta`chrono | and thanks @mudder, too |
| 11:54.55 | purplepenguins | your girlfriend asked you a question about UNIX utility option flags? |
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| 11:56.22 | mta`chrono | yes :D normally she's studding economic and I'm very afraid of it... |
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| 12:03.53 | fxiny | Nexus 6 ? :P |
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| 12:04.54 | cahoot | muxfr: no other modules, possible some option to snd-hda-intel |
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| 12:10.27 | muxfr | cahoot, I already added this, but didn't work. |
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| 12:13.01 | muxfr | I'm not sure at that point what to do!! Switch to windows or what :( |
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| 12:15.30 | imduffy15 | Hi, does anybody have a method for deploying software and syncing configs across a network of debian machines? |
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| 12:15.48 | cahoot | muxfr: you seriously want an answer to that? |
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| 12:16.30 | cahoot | muxfr: cat /proc/asound/version |
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| 12:17.01 | muxfr | I don't know, I've been a windows user for 6 years, and I know it inside out, but I'm an opensource person so I'm taking the time to work with linux, but I can't afford having no sound. That's after a long trouble getting my ATI video working. |
| 12:17.21 | marcel | cahoot: is there just some line in muted from muxfr? i got that sometimes |
| 12:17.56 | muxfr | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.18rc3. |
| 12:18.20 | marcel | muxfr: type alsamixer in a terminal and trow all lines up or non-mute |
| 12:19.02 | muxfr | they're up |
| 12:19.17 | muxfr | but IEC958 has no options. |
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| 12:19.38 | crzedmonk | hello |
| 12:19.40 | crzedmonk | I need some help |
| 12:19.55 | crzedmonk | how do I changer permissions so I can apt get in non root account? |
| 12:20.02 | cahoot | muxfr: on last idea - try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 1 |
| 12:20.09 | themill | !wayttd crzedmonk |
| 12:20.09 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, crzedmonk? |
| 12:20.18 | cahoot | muxfr: the aplay -vv -Dplughw:1 |
| 12:20.24 | crzedmonk | I am trying to install firefox |
| 12:20.43 | abrotman | imduffy15: cfengine or puppet |
| 12:20.51 | muxfr | but I actually updated alsa before with that script offered online, but didn't work, then I reinstalled it |
| 12:21.00 | imduffy15 | ok thanks abrotman i'll give them a google :) |
| 12:21.01 | crzedmonk | crzedmonk@Lintron:~$ apt-get install firefox |
| 12:21.01 | crzedmonk | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 12:21.01 | crzedmonk | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 12:21.01 | crzedmonk | crzedmonk@Lintron:~$ |
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| 12:21.32 | abrotman | imduffy15: they're both in debian |
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| 12:21.47 | crzedmonk | sorry |
| 12:21.53 | themill | dpkg: tell crzedmonk about paste |
| 12:22.27 | muxfr | aplay didn't work, |
| 12:22.28 | themill | crzedmonk: there's no firefox package in debian. The package you want is "iceweasel" and you should use aptitude instead. And you have to do it as root. |
| 12:22.57 | crzedmonk | what is this aptitude? Sorry I just switched from ubuntu to debian |
| 12:23.01 | crzedmonk | I am n00b |
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| 12:23.24 | lvh | crzedmonk: aptitude exists in ubuntu too |
| 12:23.26 | themill | dpkg: tell crzedmonk about aptitude |
| 12:23.30 | tuantub | !tell crzedmonk about aptitude |
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| 12:23.41 | themill | crzedmonk: you might like to read the debian release notes at some stage. |
| 12:24.05 | crzedmonk | yeah |
| 12:24.14 | crzedmonk | how come there is not firefox? |
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| 12:24.31 | marcel | !iceweasel |
| 12:24.31 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
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| 12:25.43 | crzedmonk | when I aptitude iceweasel it tells me 13 permissions denied |
| 12:25.49 | crzedmonk | this is why I thought I needed root |
| 12:26.01 | abrotman | you need root to install iceweasel .. yes |
| 12:26.16 | abrotman | or sudo .. but effective root perms somehow |
| 12:26.33 | crzedmonk | there is no way to user group the permisions to a non root account? |
| 12:26.34 | muxfr | I'll most probably switch to windows for now, but I won't give up my faith in linux. I do use it in vms |
| 12:26.39 | muxfr | vm's though* |
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| 12:27.02 | themill | crzedmonk: you give such permissions using sudo. /msg dpkg sudo |
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| 12:27.08 | marcel | muxfr: good luck... read more and try to learn more about *nix |
| 12:27.13 | muxfr | maybe the next release will fix it. but I already tried over 5 distroes, and 2 BSD's |
| 12:27.52 | abrotman | muxfr: did you try #alsa ? |
| 12:27.52 | cahoot | muxfr: right - have fun |
| 12:27.52 | imduffy15 | abrotman what happens if you want to sync a config that needs to contain the machines IP is there a var you can set in the config so that puppet will automatically Analise and Change? |
| 12:27.52 | marcel | muxfr: do you really think its al the fault of these 5 DISTROES and 2 BSDS? |
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| 12:28.03 | abrotman | imduffy15: i just know it exists |
| 12:28.12 | muxfr | marcel, I studied 4 *nix courses including the linux++, but still had hard luck with my hardware so gradually got to forget stuff. |
| 12:28.13 | imduffy15 | abrotman, oh right ok |
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| 12:28.39 | muxfr | marcel, no, they're perfect, but it's my bleeding edge devilish microsoft standared hardware is the issue |
| 12:29.06 | muxfr | Thanks alot cahoot for your assistence and time. and yes I tried #alsa no luck |
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| 12:45.02 | Wooga | hello, i am trying to install debian squeeze on eeepc 1000h and i excpecting problems bootong installer kernel |
| 12:45.10 | dakarn | how do you pronounce debian |
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| 12:45.56 | Wooga | with current hd-media and usb images, retriven from here: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ installer hangs up on loading kernel |
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| 12:46.28 | Wooga | though, older version from here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/ boots normaly |
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| 12:47.04 | asg | dakarn: deb-ian |
| 12:47.12 | Wooga | what should i do in order of getting newest squeeze installer working on eeepc? |
| 12:47.30 | dakarn | asg: like the names, right? |
| 12:47.47 | Wooga | should i do bugreport or something and if so, how? |
| 12:48.13 | dakarn | asg: i have been calling it "dee bee an" for eternity :'( |
| 12:48.26 | asg | dakarn: right |
| 12:48.32 | asg | Wooga: check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo first |
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| 12:48.58 | Wooga | asg: there is nothing particular about testing release |
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| 12:49.51 | Wooga | and definently not explained why squeeze installer was broken up in case of eeepc |
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| 12:50.00 | Wooga | and will it be fixed any time |
| 12:50.47 | asg | Wooga: did you try the custom installer referenced in the wiki? |
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| 12:52.19 | Wooga | hm, no, i'll try to |
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| 12:54.21 | Wooga | but i wonder if build-eeepc.sh is suitable for squeezy while in wiki minded lenny |
| 12:54.57 | asg | Wooga: you could upgrade from lenny to squeeze after installing |
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| 12:55.34 | Wooga | but i don't want any lenny, i want squeezy! |
| 12:55.36 | Wooga | :3 |
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| 12:56.07 | marcel | Wooga: why? |
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| 12:57.11 | Wooga | because lenny is a bit outdated for me and i want clear system; without any lenny leftovers |
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| 12:58.11 | Wooga | and yet, after a time it would be like installing etch now in order of getting stable by the time squeezy |
| 12:58.18 | marcel | this doesnt look good: http://www.debianshop.com/index.php?main_page=info_shopping_cart |
| 12:58.53 | Wooga | don't you think, that bug in squeezy installer should be fixed anyway? |
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| 12:59.32 | Wooga | since they just broke working installer; it must not be so hard |
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| 13:00.14 | gum2tux | Vmware server 2.0 is expecting /dev/dsp for sound to be output to my host Debian OS. but it has not /dev/dsp but it still can play sound, weird !!! |
| 13:01.36 | gum2tux | i m newbie, how do i know my debian lenny is running on /dev/??? to play sound ? |
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| 13:03.28 | hark | gum2tux: /dev/snd/* |
| 13:03.57 | gum2tux | Vmware guest o/s cannot output sound to host OS (Debian) if debian is not using /dev/dsp |
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| 13:06.46 | hark | gum2tux: isn't it doing it? |
| 13:07.13 | gum2tux | hark, Vmware server is expecting /dev/dsp for sound to be about to transfer from guest to host OS (debian) but my sound hardware is at /dev/snd |
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| 13:08.25 | xyan | gum2tux: ln -s /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p /dev/dsp |
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| 13:08.34 | xyan | figure out which playback chan you need |
| 13:08.34 | DexterF | hi |
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| 13:09.27 | DexterF | how do I reset the network configuration and start with a fresh one from scratch? I replaced the network card and now its eth1 and wont get an IP address when I call /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:09.30 | thrashold | Hello. I have a problem with the screen going black when closing Konsole. The problem is that after I have used Konsole and the computer for some time, the screen always goes black the second I close it. It doesn't happen if I open/close Konsole immediatelly after boot. I had this problem in Kubuntu (KDE 3.5), where the screen came back on after a second. I switched my laptop from Gentoo to Debian SID and the problem appeared there as well, with |
| 13:09.30 | thrashold | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:09.55 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 13:10.03 | asg | DexterF: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:10.07 | DexterF | thrashold: this is #debian, not #kubuntu |
| 13:10.17 | thrashold | DexterF, I don't Kubuntu anymore |
| 13:10.30 | thrashold | For a year or so |
| 13:10.31 | gum2tux | xyan, what does your command do --> ln -s /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p /dev/dsp |
| 13:10.33 | DexterF | asg: did. changed entries from eth0 to eth1 |
| 13:10.43 | DexterF | thrashold: sorry, didnt see that |
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| 13:11.06 | DexterF | thrashold: fglrx or free driver, what chip is it? |
| 13:11.44 | xyan | gum2tux: it links the first playback channel of the first installed soundcard to /dev/dsp |
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| 13:12.31 | thrashold | The free driver. Radeon XPRESS 200/200M IGP I think |
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| 13:13.41 | DexterF | thrashold: what ATi designation is it? R200 series, R300,...? |
| 13:15.39 | thrashold | It is either RV370, or RS400. Waiting for my laptop to boot to check |
| 13:16.45 | thrashold | It's a model that the DRI driver has problems with |
| 13:17.32 | DexterF | give fglrx a shot. if that doenst work get another notebook with either intel or nv graphics and stay away from ATi as far as you can |
| 13:17.56 | DexterF | oh great, now my server is stuck at loading the kernel imade |
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| 13:18.04 | DexterF | "probing EDD", wtf is *that*? |
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| 13:19.41 | cvxxcvcb | Discuss anything anonymously without registering an account at the only place on the Internet where grammar, spelling and punctuation actually matters: http://www.anontalk.com/ (or https://www.anontalk.com/ for immediate encryption). A definite bookmark for every smart Internet user! (This has been a public service message; NOT spam.) |
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| 13:24.53 | taras | what if I attach sid repo to update "xserver-xorg-video-intel" package from 2.3.2-2+lenny6 to 2.8.0? |
| 13:25.05 | taras | or better to compile by hands? |
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| 13:27.41 | xyan | taras: bad idea, the new xorg-video-intel driver relies on the new libdrm2 infrastructure makes use of gem which needs a very recent kernel and also it has decreased performance and a lot of new bugs |
| 13:27.56 | xyan | youd end up upgrading your libc6 and hence your whole system to sid |
| 13:28.08 | taras | uhhh |
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| 13:29.56 | DexterF | great BOB, what is it NOW? that 2.6.26-2-686 booted about 10x perfectly normal, NOW it gets stuck at initrd?! |
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| 13:30.02 | DexterF | F*CK |
| 13:30.08 | DexterF | is annoyed |
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| 13:35.48 | Hoxzer | DexterF: Why So seeeriooouuus ? |
| 13:36.23 | marcel | what desktop env do you guys use? |
| 13:36.27 | marcel | i use fluxbox right now |
| 13:36.44 | Hoxzer | Gnome >:( |
| 13:37.22 | marcel | ah little to big for my taste though.. but nothing is perfect right ;x |
| 13:37.25 | Hoxzer | I've been thinking of installing Debian+Fluxbox on my gaming PC for Doom3 |
| 13:38.05 | DexterF | Hoxzer: id like to see you stay calm when your fileserver acts all weird |
| 13:38.11 | marcel | perhaps thats wise for less memory ussage. but no idea to be honest dont really game on *nix well an anything really ;x |
| 13:38.15 | marcel | s/an//on/ |
| 13:38.46 | Hoxzer | marcel: Pretty much all native linux games run better on linux than on windows |
| 13:38.54 | Hoxzer | And Debian base install is really fast |
| 13:39.09 | Hoxzer | Wine+Gaming is just crap |
| 13:39.30 | marcel | Hoxzer: good to hear.. do you have a website with native linux games? i know debian base install is fast ;x its the only thing is start with haha |
| 13:40.01 | jtheuer__ | Hi, I have a laptop here with wlan and I want to {forward, bridge, ...} the connection over eth0 to another laptop (crossover ethernet cable) - any ideas? |
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| 13:41.31 | xyan | jtheuer__: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 13:41.32 | Hoxzer | marcel: Pretty much all ID games are native. Dunno any else |
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| 13:41.59 | marcel | Hoxzer: what do you mean with ID? is it like some brand? |
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| 13:42.08 | Hoxzer | marcel: Yeah |
| 13:42.12 | steven43126 | jtheuer__: bridging is unsupported in most wlan devices |
| 13:42.21 | Hoxzer | marcel: 'ID software" |
| 13:42.26 | htctuchPRO | is there anywhere i can find info in unpacking, editing and repacking initrd... i want to disable sata_mv driver from loading on startup as its conflicting with another driver i want to load |
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| 13:43.40 | bzed | htctuchPRO: blacklist the module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and run update-initramfs -u |
| 13:43.43 | DexterF | Hoxzer: id only recently announced to drop linux support |
| 13:43.57 | thrashold | Can anyone point me to an example on how to set AccelMethod in a hal policy .fdi file? |
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| 13:44.41 | Hoxzer | DexterF: Yeah, life is shit I know |
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| 13:44.56 | DexterF | hell yeah |
| 13:45.07 | Hoxzer | Propably because ETQW didn't do too well >:( |
| 13:45.27 | valdyn | they didnt "drop linux" |
| 13:45.33 | htctuchPRO | bzed, thanks lemme try that real quick |
| 13:45.37 | valdyn | they dropped opengl as primary development api |
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| 13:45.49 | Hoxzer | Well. I heard they were bougth by someone |
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| 13:45.58 | Hoxzer | valdyn: kk |
| 13:46.18 | DexterF | valdyn: since that's the only api on linux that pretty much comes down to the same if you ask me |
| 13:46.20 | valdyn | ...which might very well result in no port for linux, but it doesnt have to |
| 13:46.31 | valdyn | DexterF: unless they port to mac os x |
| 13:46.42 | DexterF | id...? not that I knew of |
| 13:47.32 | htctuchPRO | bzed, yeah this is the same thing i get before... hang at loading, please wait... after booting the kernel |
| 13:48.04 | bzed | htctuchPRO: are you sure that the blacklisted module was loaded? |
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| 13:48.31 | htctuchPRO | yeah dmesg reports it as loaded |
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| 13:52.46 | DexterF | are -am64 images strictly for 64bit? |
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| 13:53.54 | ^7seconds | quien se iba a fijar en ti |
| 13:53.58 | iddo | how to restore MBR with grub2 ? |
| 13:54.28 | lvh | ^7seconds: This is an english speaking channel :-) |
| 13:54.42 | DexterF | how do I force recreation of the initrd? |
| 13:55.53 | cahoot | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 13:56.24 | DexterF | thanks |
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| 13:56.39 | henux | i didn't configure network during install and not my sources.list doesn't contain the correct repositories except the CD source |
| 13:56.46 | henux | s/not/now/ |
| 13:57.04 | DexterF | cahoot: and for another kernel than the one that's currentliy loaded? |
| 13:57.11 | henux | also, in which package are the iwlist, iwconfig etc. tools found? |
| 13:57.20 | DexterF | cahoot: bah, nvm :P |
| 13:57.44 | cahoot | henux: wireless-tools? |
| 13:58.02 | henux | cahoot: i see. how do i fix the sources.list problem? |
| 13:58.47 | cahoot | henux: there are examples in /usr/share/doc/apt (or such) |
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| 14:00.11 | nium-_ | WTF -- Why is netinstall debian *always* failing on me when it comes to the "Select and install software" step ... -_- |
| 14:00.47 | petemc | failing how? |
| 14:00.55 | azeem_ | nium-_: which version are you installing? |
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| 14:01.36 | nium-_ | >> lenny-custom-0627.iso - kernel version 2.6.30 + linux-firmware + ext4 support |
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| 14:01.48 | azeem_ | nium-_: that's not Debian |
| 14:02.07 | nium-_ | >> Distribution: Lenny (Debian GNU/Linux 5.0) |
| 14:02.12 | azeem_ | "custom" |
| 14:02.16 | nium-_ | bla bla bla :P |
| 14:02.18 | azeem_ | but maybe explain how it fails and somebody can help you |
| 14:02.34 | azeem_ | nium-_: well, we could just say that we do not support custom installers if you prefer |
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| 14:04.16 | nium-_ | azeem_, rooting into your backport, arr.. -- retrying the step. |
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| 14:04.50 | azeem_ | that's not very specific |
| 14:04.52 | slept | is there an easy way to forward all mail recieved locally by an user to an regular adress (e.g. googlemail) ? the user will not be loged in at most of the time |
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| 14:05.25 | petemc | slept: if your mta supports it, ~/.forward or /etc/aliases |
| 14:05.49 | nium-_ | I'm at the process where I chose the mailing options (I just 'next' it all), the printer option (legal), and when I next that, a moment later, I get "Installation Step Failed" ... -_- |
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| 14:06.07 | slept | petemc, didn't touch exim4 so far , is this the right mta to go with ? |
| 14:06.25 | petemc | slept: its certainly able to support either or both of those methods |
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| 14:06.55 | azeem_ | nium-_: check the second or third console |
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| 14:07.07 | azeem_ | for deatils |
| 14:07.57 | Tony-BB | may u guys help me with setting a mysql root password ? |
| 14:07.57 | znh | yes I may |
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| 14:08.33 | themill | dpkg: tell Tony-BB about mysql initial password |
| 14:09.13 | Tony-BB | thx themill ill try |
| 14:11.17 | Tony-BB | error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
| 14:11.18 | Tony-BB | thats what i get after doing it |
| 14:11.46 | root5_ | you must start mysql server with --skip-grant-tables |
| 14:11.46 | petemc | Tony-BB: mysql -u root -p |
| 14:12.42 | Tony-BB | petemc Thanks alot, that did it :) |
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| 14:13.17 | petemc | np |
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| 14:15.05 | petros | Ok, jeg er nybegynder med debian og apt-get/dpkg, men har kørt noget linux i et par. Et hurtigt spørgsmål: Hvordan 'narrer' jeg dpkg til at opfatte en manuelt reinstalleret afhænghidspakke, som værende automatisk installeret og derfor et potentielt emne for autoremove? |
| 14:15.35 | adb | !dk |
| 14:15.36 | dpkg | somebody said dk was Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark |
| 14:15.37 | simplesso | hi guys, i have a laptop with windows, i want to install debian and crypt the debian partition. i've created one partition for /boot and another for / |
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| 14:15.57 | simplesso | i see a "guideed partition" menu during install, but it's for the whole disk |
| 14:15.59 | petros | sorry. Wrong language :) |
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| 14:16.33 | simplesso | there's a simple way to have one partition formatted with lvm and encrypted during installation? |
| 14:16.47 | simplesso | or i've to do all after a normal installation? thanks |
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| 14:16.54 | zmitya | hi all |
| 14:17.09 | themill | wonders why it's not "da" instead of "dk"... |
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| 14:17.33 | zmitya | guys, does anybody know when will Debian release a patch for DSA-1862-1 to Etch ? |
| 14:17.53 | petros | Newbie regardingf apt-get/dpkg. How do I 'trick' dkpg into believing a manuel reinstallation of a dependency-package is still considered an automatic package eligible for autoremoval later on? |
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| 14:19.13 | slept | Is there an mta which is easier to set up than exim4 which seems to support almost everything. I just need some very simple local mail transport and that the mail is forwared to an other account. If possible this sould be done by suplying just an username and password for an existing non-local email account. |
| 14:19.14 | markybob | simplesso, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partitionyou just select encrypted under type. then you click on |
| 14:19.16 | themill | petros: "aptitude reinstall packagename+M" is the easiest approach. You could also use apt-get then apt-mark |
| 14:19.24 | markybob | simplesso, "6.3.2.5. Configuring Encrypted Volumes" |
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| 14:19.52 | petros | themill: Thanks. I'll look into it. |
| 14:19.55 | steven43126 | slept exim is easy :) you can use dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 14:20.24 | simplesso | markybob: thank you |
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| 14:22.13 | themill | petros: aptitude is the preferred tool for managing binary packages in debian in part because it can do these sorts of things. /msg dpkg why aptitude ; /msg dpkg aptitude docs |
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| 14:23.25 | petros | themill: thanks again :) |
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| 14:25.13 | zmen01 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:25.47 | DexterF | could someone please have a look at this and tell me why the system stops booting after that? |
| 14:25.48 | DexterF | http://www.vaultofsages.de/~dexterf/pub/boot.jpg |
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| 14:26.11 | DexterF | 2.6.26-1-686 works fine. I tried to purge it and reinstall to rule out defective hd sectors |
| 14:26.28 | leejongwook | can't shutdown my debian @_@ i was ok before, after i reinstalled my debian, i can't shutdown my pc |
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| 14:26.37 | DexterF | funny thing: same kernel worked fine yesterday and all I did was swap NICs |
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| 14:27.08 | leejongwook | DexterF, nice screen shot :) |
| 14:27.26 | yac | i changed /etc/hostname. How do i make that change noticed by system? |
| 14:27.30 | DexterF | leejongwook: ? |
| 14:28.01 | themill | zmen01: sounds like a job for sed (or awk) |
| 14:28.11 | henux | where do i set the wireless security settings (like WEP password) in debian? |
| 14:28.37 | henux | i can use iwconfig to connect to the WLAN but how do i make that persistent across sessions? |
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| 14:28.50 | markybob | henux, add it to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:28.56 | henux | gotcha! |
| 14:29.02 | markybob | henux, man interfaces |
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| 14:30.21 | leejongwook | DexterF, sorry, i'm a newbie |
| 14:30.33 | DexterF | ah. |
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| 14:32.01 | leejongwook | <--having shutdown problem |
| 14:32.10 | slept | steven43126, the dpkg-reconfigure didn't really help to set it all up, it asked my which host to use for smtp (smtp.gmail.com) , but it didnt ask me about users usernames passwords and so on, where so I have to continue ? |
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| 14:35.29 | markybob | slept, if you're not stuck on exim, this tells you how to do it with postfix http://www.postfix.org/SOHO_README.html "Enabling SASL authentication in the Postfix SMTP client" |
| 14:36.10 | petemc | exim works fine with sasl too.. |
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| 14:36.41 | markybob | i'm sure it does...i just dont know how to answer his question. apparently no one else does, either |
| 14:37.01 | markybob | only uses postfix |
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| 14:38.02 | petemc | http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.etch.html#smtp-auth |
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| 14:38.35 | petemc | or the same file for lenny should be in /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 14:42.45 | zxd | why are things running in kernel space faster than running in user space, like say PPPoE module |
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| 14:44.06 | Tony-BB | sry, got the same problem again :( i got a MYSQL ROOT pwd set, but cant really change it |
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| 14:46.27 | Tony-BB | nevermind i did it :D |
| 14:46.47 | dutchfish | Tony-BB, mysqladmin -u root password NEWPASSWORD |
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| 14:48.25 | slept | markybob, so if I select delivery via smarthost does this affect local email delivery ? I am thinking of a situation where the connection to the inet is down, where will all the emails go ? |
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| 14:48.49 | dutchfish | sleon_, in the queue |
| 14:49.16 | dutchfish | slept, sorry, in the queue for a slong as you have configured it, normally 5 days |
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| 14:50.07 | slept | dutchfish, l but will gmail send to root@mydomain.org ? |
| 14:50.32 | dutchfish | slept, or till the connection gets up again and the queue is being handled by the MTA |
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| 14:51.02 | dutchfish | slept, not over a connection wich is down ;) |
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| 14:51.47 | bittin | Hello, somone here knows anything about wvdail iam trying to get an Huawei E1550 to work |
| 14:52.01 | dutchfish | slept, so they will hold in it in there queue for x days |
| 14:53.06 | dutchfish | slept, bear in mind that the longer your link is down, the longer the checkintervals will become of moth MTA's |
| 14:53.14 | themill | bittin: http://wiki.debian.org/Huawei/E220 ; also, don't ask in multiple places at the same time |
| 14:53.16 | slept | dutchfish, will local delivery still work ? |
| 14:53.17 | dutchfish | s/moth/both |
| 14:53.25 | dutchfish | slept, sure |
| 14:53.40 | dutchfish | slept, as long as your local MTA is up that is |
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| 14:54.05 | themill | bittin: (different model I know, but the information is a good starting point) |
| 14:54.05 | zmen01 | anyone can maybe help me creating an insert file? i like to convert a text file with like 100 lines with a serial number on each line to an insert ('insert into table(val1, val2) values(serial, val2)' |
| 14:54.26 | bittin | i don't know what to write in wvdail.conf |
| 14:54.32 | hyper_ch | hi there, I need some help with iptables. I got this rule here: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 6995 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.8.0.6:6995 --> basically I want to forward all incoming connection on port 6995 to the ip 10.8.0.6. Is that right? |
| 14:54.36 | bittin | but it finds a 3G net but i dunno how to connect to it :( |
| 14:54.53 | themill | zmen01: can you pastebin a section of sample data and what you want it to look like? |
| 14:54.59 | cahoot | zmen01: you might google for sed faq |
| 14:55.03 | slept | dutchfish, so no matter what I do root will recive all mail and if i have an connection to the internet postfix will forward the mail ? |
| 14:55.20 | themill | zmen01: in particular, where do val1 val2 come from? |
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| 14:55.44 | dutchfish | slept, cirrect |
| 14:56.07 | dutchfish | slept, corretc if you set up mydomains correclty and th epostmaster account |
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| 14:56.36 | zmen01 | themill: http://pastebin.com/m2f46470b <- source http://pastebin.com/m573fee65 <- how it should look like |
| 14:57.30 | slept | dutchfish, thanks |
| 14:57.32 | dutchfish | slept, a asume you have setup the correct relayhost |
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| 14:58.26 | dutchfish | slept, and last but not least do the open relay check for gods sake |
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| 14:59.08 | slept | dutchfish, I am not sure I would go for smtp.gmail.com but . But I have to admit this is a blind guess... I have to read up on relays first I guess |
| 14:59.09 | petemc | hyper_ch: you dont need to specify the port on the destination in your case |
| 14:59.23 | hyper_ch | petemc: ok :) |
| 14:59.35 | dutchfish | slept, doesnt harm ;) |
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| 15:00.22 | petemc | slept: you're going to need to auth if you're using google |
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| 15:00.24 | dutchfish | slept, i use postfix for exactly that job, i find it relatively simple to configure (if you know what you are doing) |
| 15:01.49 | hyper_ch | petemc: I added that rule now but iptables -L doesn't show anything |
| 15:01.49 | slept | petemc, well using smtp and google doesn't seem to be the hard part - settings are the same as for any other mail-client , right ? |
| 15:01.55 | petemc | most things are easy to configure if you know what you're doing |
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| 15:02.51 | petemc | hyper_ch: iptables -t nat -L |
| 15:02.54 | slept | dutchfish, petemc , right now I am not sure what I am doing .... hope I will not create a big securety hole ... |
| 15:03.06 | petemc | slept: yes, tho some might find it slightly harder to configure than a mail client |
| 15:03.16 | dutchfish | slept, as long as you do the openrelay check, nah |
| 15:03.20 | petemc | slept: it is just a matter of putting the right text in the right places tho |
| 15:03.27 | hyper_ch | petemc: thx |
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| 15:06.39 | themill | zmen01: either awk or sed can do that for you. e.g. awk "{print \"insert into table (serial, val2) values ('\"\$0\"', 'notvariable')\"}". The quoting gets fiddly though. If you can promise that there are no spaces in serials.txt then you can get a bit more hacky: for i in $(cat serials.txt); doecho "insert into table (serial, val2) values ('$i', 'notvariable')"; done |
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| 15:09.40 | guysoft42 | hi all, i am trying to compile v4l on 2.6.30, but i get linux/video_encoder.h: No such file or directory . Has this file been removed from the kernel? |
| 15:09.56 | zmen01 | thanks the-dude |
| 15:09.59 | zmen01 | themill* |
| 15:10.29 | Woodi | guysoft42: do you have linux kernel sources installed ? |
| 15:10.47 | guysoft42 | Woodi, i have the headers, yes |
| 15:10.49 | gm152 | guysoft42: It seems it has. That file isn't in 2.6.30 but does exist in 2.6.29. |
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| 15:11.16 | Tony-BB | how do i change the hostname ? |
| 15:11.23 | guysoft42 | gm152, yes, thats what i see googling.. |
| 15:11.24 | themill | zmen01: no worries. have fun with it :) For more info, /msg dpkg bash ; /msg dpkg awk ; /msg dpkg sed |
| 15:11.39 | themill | dpkg: tell Tony-BB about hostname |
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| 15:11.55 | guysoft42 | but i need it, i want to compile the expremental DVB-T driver for ec168 . unless there is a deb repo somewhere |
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| 15:12.14 | guysoft42 | gm152, Woodi ^ |
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| 15:13.06 | Tony-BB | thanks themill |
| 15:13.38 | Woodi | guysoft42: try with 2.6.9 files.. |
| 15:13.51 | Woodi | *29 |
| 15:13.58 | guysoft42 | Woodi, how will i tell it to use them in 2.6.30? |
| 15:14.20 | Woodi | just plug and try for start :) |
| 15:14.42 | Woodi | warning not found will disappear and watch what happen then |
| 15:15.03 | guysoft42 | Woodi, i dont have 2.6.29 here.. |
| 15:15.10 | Woodi | but maybe start with 2.6.30 docs - maybe there is a reason why no encoder file... |
| 15:15.12 | guysoft42 | Woodi, um, is there a way to report this at least |
| 15:15.13 | guysoft42 | ? |
| 15:15.38 | guysoft42 | Woodi, where would that be located? i am not really familiar with all the kernel stuff |
| 15:15.52 | Woodi | try changelog first |
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| 15:16.16 | Woodi | maybe it is missed file then report bug bug |
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| 15:16.44 | dutchfish | guysoft42, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.30.y.git;a=commit;h=4ef4327b30957a16619ac7d47c749465e62de8c3 |
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| 15:17.16 | Woodi | do you check on some l4v forum ? |
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| 15:17.35 | Tony-BB | my hostname wont change :( |
| 15:17.43 | dutchfish | guysoft42, or history: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Fstable%2Flinux-2.6.30.y.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=v4l |
| 15:17.52 | Woodi | Tony-BB: hostname new.host.org ? |
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| 15:18.55 | Tony-BB | Woodi, i am installing ISPCP, and i want to use admin.blabla.mydomain.tld but it doesnt exist |
| 15:19.12 | guysoft42 | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.30.y.git;a=commit;h=cc1139c7cdc1455fdf460c33fe63a36524753834 |
| 15:19.22 | Tony-BB | i should change my hostname but it doesnt work, i edited /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 15:19.23 | guysoft42 | dutchfish, ... why its removed, who knows |
| 15:20.06 | Woodi | Tony-BB: domain do not exist in dns servers ? |
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| 15:20.34 | Tony-BB | sry Woodi, im not familiar with dns stuff, ill pointed the subdomian via A-record to the ip of my server |
| 15:21.07 | dutchfish | guysoft42, because its no longer needed, but here it is http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.30.y.git;a=blob;f=include/linux/video_encoder.h;h=b7b6423bbb8ac0188890368ef6b57dc42ec6bc19;hb=770060385a1694a8d909e7872c4ce0703da2b069 |
| 15:21.14 | guysoft42 | is not really sure its a good sign if linus himself removed it |
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| 15:22.19 | Woodi | Tony-BB: why you say that hostname did not change ? how you see this ? |
| 15:22.39 | slept | I found a howto for postfix and gmail, but why would I have to create a CA cerificate to send email via an existing account ? Other clients (evoltion) do not need this, right ? |
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| 15:23.02 | jair | hello. I am doing an expert installation on a t61p with wireless adapter intel 4965agn and the installer recognize the card and It looks like the iwlwifi driver is loaded, but it fail to get the ip address and continue with the installation. |
| 15:23.16 | dutchfish | guysoft42, are you trying to compile against 2.6.30.4 vanilla? |
| 15:23.19 | Woodi | slept: postfiq and qmail do not require CA too... |
| 15:23.27 | guysoft42 | dutchfish, yes. |
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| 15:23.38 | guysoft42 | dutchfish, ans #linuxtv are asleep |
| 15:23.41 | slept | Woodi, glad to hear that |
| 15:23.49 | Tony-BB | Woodi, i did "cat /etc/hostname" |
| 15:24.09 | jair | anyway, I proceeded without the wifi and I am getting a question on the expert install process "enable shadow passwords?" ins't this the default in debian? |
| 15:24.11 | dutchfish | guysoft42, i gies your source needs something earlier then 2.6.30.x |
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| 15:24.17 | dutchfish | s/gies/gues |
| 15:24.20 | Woodi | Tony-BB: you edited it, right ? so what is wrong ? |
| 15:24.31 | Tony-BB | it didnt change .. |
| 15:24.56 | Tony-BB | Woodi may i pm you? |
| 15:24.57 | Woodi | jair: what is your question ? |
| 15:25.19 | Woodi | Tony-BB: in command line do : hostname new.domain.name |
| 15:25.39 | Woodi | Tony-BB: editing files change after reboot |
| 15:25.39 | jair | Woodi: is shadow password enabled by default in debian? I am doing an expert installation and is asking me if I should enable it? |
| 15:25.45 | Woodi | Tony-BB: k |
| 15:26.01 | Woodi | jair: you should enable it |
| 15:26.06 | jair | ok |
| 15:26.20 | markybob | (and you probably shouldnt be doing expert install if you dont know that) |
| 15:26.20 | haowan | disk install debian? |
| 15:26.23 | jair | Woodi: that is the default in the standard installation method correct? |
| 15:26.27 | haowan | help |
| 15:26.36 | Woodi | jair: it is strange question anyway |
| 15:26.50 | haowan | xp install debian |
| 15:26.56 | jair | this is because I am using the expert install method. |
| 15:27.14 | jair | Woodi: when you select expert install you get other specific questions |
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| 15:27.23 | Woodi | jair: question is standard if you want to know. and enabling it is realy good thing |
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| 15:27.58 | Woodi | jair: i think in plain install it ask too, at least on prev debian |
| 15:28.06 | jair | hmmm |
| 15:28.14 | jair | Woodi: I see ok I am on lenny |
| 15:28.23 | jair | anyway thanks for the help |
| 15:28.40 | Woodi | np |
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| 15:32.39 | slept | ok I thing I figured the part with the certiicate and postfix. Can I specify locatdelivery to work just normal (no encription) and use ssl only for gmail ? |
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| 15:38.31 | dutchfish | slept, http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html |
| 15:39.03 | thrashold | http://pastebin.com/m13aca8b7 What to do to get rid of fglrx? |
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| 15:40.08 | rozie | thrashold: ls -la /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so |
| 15:40.16 | thrashold | regular file |
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| 15:41.12 | rozie | OK, I think I had the same problem |
| 15:41.19 | rozie | dpkg-divert --list |
| 15:41.26 | rozie | will show you diversions |
| 15:41.51 | rozie | and then I wrote "proper dpkg-divert --remove helped" |
| 15:42.16 | rozie | thrashold: paste dpkg-divert --list on pastebin |
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| 15:44.20 | thrashold | rozie, http://pastebin.com/m43e164f9 |
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| 15:46.55 | JosefAssad | moin |
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| 15:47.11 | JosefAssad | quick question. Is usepeerdns a valid option in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 15:47.41 | rozie | thrashold: well... that's strange. try to install (--reinstall fglrx) then remove it |
| 15:48.02 | rozie | JosefAssad: AFAIK no, but man interfaces |
| 15:48.52 | JosefAssad | rozie: just what I was doing, it indeed isn't. Do you know where I want to write that? So I grab the DNS entries from my wireless router... |
| 15:49.41 | thrashold | I can't install it either: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 15:50.34 | thrashold | But the problem is not the diversion, now it removes it successfully, and then fails with no explanation |
| 15:50.53 | rozie | JosefAssad: it's from ppp configuration AFAIR |
| 15:51.03 | JosefAssad | rozie: alrightie. Thanks |
| 15:51.48 | rozie | thrashold: once again. what do you exactly want to do? you said you removed fglrx... |
| 15:52.03 | rozie | you can try to remove libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 15:52.10 | rozie | then reinstall fglrx |
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| 15:53.23 | thrashold | rozie, I want to get rid of fglrx... But i can't remove it. I can't install it either. And half of my system depends on libgl1-mesa-glx, so if I remove it... |
| 15:53.55 | rozie | thrashold: you may end with no X for a while |
| 15:53.58 | rozie | ;) |
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| 15:54.31 | rozie | you can also read about dpkg and force flag |
| 15:55.10 | rozie | thrashold: where you get this fglrx from and what's the system? |
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| 15:55.30 | jchillerup | Hey. I have a problem with my internal apt setup. When I try to install something using aptitude it tells me to dpkg --reconfigure, but once I do that, it complains: http://pastebin.ca/1531550 - the problem has to do with a kernel I compiled some time ago (which I don't really care about anymore), but I can't seem to figure out how to get rid of the error. |
| 15:55.33 | rozie | problems I had comed from Sarge |
| 15:55.36 | bittin | do somone know how to get a DVD TV-dongle to work with mplayer? |
| 15:55.50 | jchillerup | DVB? |
| 15:55.59 | jchillerup | Talk to the guys in #linuxtv |
| 15:55.59 | bittin | yes |
| 15:56.02 | bittin | k |
| 15:56.28 | thrashold | rozie, thanks for trying to help. I edited the post removal scripts by hand to make them "succeed" :) |
| 15:56.43 | jchillerup | (but you need the v4l-dvb modules, modprobe and then it should work rather painlessly) |
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| 15:57.38 | rozie | thrashold: reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx just to make sure you have right files there, not from fglrx |
| 15:58.08 | thrashold | rozie, I will. Thanks again :) |
| 15:58.18 | rozie | thrashold: BTW, what card? |
| 15:58.34 | oreo | How would be the performance of using ZFS with FUSE for openVZ? |
| 15:58.35 | rozie | and what driver you're planning to use? |
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| 15:59.06 | rozie | I have X1600 with radeon on Lenny now. not very good |
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| 15:59.21 | thrashold | rozie, RS4xx (Radeon XPRESS 200/200M IGP) :-/ |
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| 16:01.38 | thrashold | rozie, the DRI wiki claims that X1600 works, while it still RS4xx lists as broken... |
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| 16:02.49 | rozie | yeah, but 3d doesn't work in Lenny on x1600 |
| 16:02.57 | rozie | or I messed up smht |
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| 16:04.16 | thrashold | 3D... What is that? I can't get a stable system here.. :) |
| 16:04.28 | rozie | 3d acceleration. like opengl |
| 16:04.52 | thrashold | I was joking. 3D works for me on sid, though. |
| 16:05.19 | rozie | yeah, there's newer xorg |
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| 16:06.12 | rozie | ...and mesa |
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| 16:06.27 | thrashold | And newer radeon driver, where the support for my card is somewhat fixed (I used Gentoo and the git versions before..) |
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| 16:12.21 | bittin | how do i load a firmwire in Linux? |
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| 16:13.17 | dutchfish | bittin, what firmware? |
| 16:13.19 | llutz | bittin: get firmware-file, place it in /lib/firmware, reload module. firmware should be loaded automagically |
| 16:13.21 | rozie | bittin: you don't load it |
| 16:13.29 | bittin | ok |
| 16:14.17 | adb | bittin: (firmwAre*) |
| 16:14.26 | themill | dpkg: tell bittin about multiple ask |
| 16:14.41 | dutchfish | /lib/firmware/foodir |
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| 16:18.28 | yetjeacyutnoft | hi, can i change sources.list lenny to stable ? |
| 16:19.00 | adb | yetjeacyutnoft: not recommended |
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| 16:20.02 | yetjeacyutnoft | thanks |
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| 16:24.26 | nuscire | hi, guys. i have a problem. i connected to a remote system using ssh (pts/1), and was editing a file with vim; suddenly, the ssh connection was lost due to network problem. when i reconnected the system after a while, i found myself to be pts/2, and the previous pts/1 was still editing that file. can i become pts/1? or how can i get rid of pts/1 editing that file, other than manually kill it? thanks! |
| 16:25.21 | rozie | nuscire: use screen in future |
| 16:26.00 | nuscire | rozie: yeah. i think also screen is a good tool. |
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| 16:26.47 | nuscire | rozie: but now i have to kill that process? |
| 16:26.56 | BornToBePuli | hi |
| 16:27.15 | Alam_Squeeze | nuscire: killall vim |
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| 16:28.53 | nuscire | Alam_Squeeze: hmm, that should work. i just don't know if i can become pts/1 forcefully. |
| 16:29.12 | edju | trying to get the multimedia keys to work. i put what seems pertinent at http://paste.debian.net/44361/. if someone can take a peek and let me know if any errors, i'd appreciate it. |
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| 16:30.23 | oreo | What's the real difference between one big root partition and multiple smaller partitions? Thanks! |
| 16:30.24 | acu | I had lenny on AMD64 and updated for squeeze and it reaches X and blinks and reboots |
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| 16:30.31 | acu | what should I do |
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| 16:30.45 | nuscire | okay. thank you, rozie, Alam_Squeeze. |
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| 16:33.39 | acu | in Squeeze how do you reconfigure xserver ? |
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| 16:34.46 | acu | can I go back to lenny ? |
| 16:34.47 | djj | acu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 16:34.52 | acu | from squueze ? |
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| 16:36.48 | acu | djj: I tried - it does not work - I am booting again in single mode - and try again - the question is whether I can go back to lenny |
| 16:37.08 | adb | acu: X -configure |
| 16:37.43 | adb | acu: nowhere ... |
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| 16:38.50 | acu | squeeze your buttocks? (why stupidity raises at surface as oil does when you mix with water ?) |
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| 16:38.56 | slept | I am having trouble with /etc/hosts. I must have messed up the system at somepoint and it started to complain about its hostname ... would be nice if someone could have a look at it http://pastebin.org/9437 |
| 16:39.08 | jchillerup | Skrev dette i #debian: Hey. I have a problem with my internal apt setup. When I try to install something using aptitude it tells me to dpkg --reconfigure, but once I do that, it complains: http://pastebin.ca/1531550 - the problem has to do with a kernel I compiled some time ago (which I don't really care about anymore), but I can't seem to figure out how to get rid of the error. |
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| 16:39.38 | jchillerup | (sorry, asked this question in another channel. just ignore the first couple of words :)) |
| 16:39.49 | rozie | slept: what is the hostname? |
| 16:40.22 | slept | rozie, server |
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| 16:40.40 | rozie | slept: are you sure you need two entries for server? |
| 16:40.47 | rozie | 1.1 and 0.1? |
| 16:40.56 | adb | jchillerup: ask #ubuntu |
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| 16:41.23 | slept | jchillerup, dpkg -P linux-image-2.6.27.9 or just apt-get remove it |
| 16:41.26 | paissad | hi everybody ! |
| 16:41.40 | paissad | i installed vlc, but i don't have any image, just the sound ! |
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| 16:41.43 | slept | rozie, this might be why it is messed up |
| 16:41.57 | rozie | slept: exactly |
| 16:41.58 | paissad | i installed w64codecs ... but i don't know what to do now ! |
| 16:42.03 | rozie | first entry is OK |
| 16:42.12 | paissad | thanks for helping |
| 16:42.24 | slept | rozie, ah , that easy, nice . thanks |
| 16:42.42 | rozie | paissad: vlc doesn't use external codecs IIRC |
| 16:42.57 | paissad | rozie, and then ? |
| 16:43.18 | adb | paissad: try mplayer |
| 16:43.23 | oreo | Does anyone have a recommendation for which filesystem to use? Thanks |
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| 16:43.35 | adb | ext3 |
| 16:43.43 | adb | oreo: ^^ |
| 16:43.57 | paissad | adb, thanks for the proposition, but i prefer vlc, xine and mplayer work well btw :-) |
| 16:44.08 | rozie | adb: reiserfs |
| 16:44.12 | oreo | adb: any reason to choose that rather than reiser, xfs, jfs, etc? |
| 16:44.20 | paissad | generally vlc works better , but this time, i don't know why there's a matter :s |
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| 16:44.36 | adb | oreo: ik ok for all |
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| 16:45.16 | rozie | so is reiserfs |
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| 16:45.24 | rozie | and it's faster by default |
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| 16:48.04 | paissad | nobody knows ? |
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| 16:48.26 | rozie | paissad: 18:43 < rozie> paissad: vlc doesn't use external codecs IIRC |
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| 16:48.47 | rozie | you have source code, you can try to change it... |
| 16:48.49 | paissad | rozie, ok, but what must i do to make vlc work |
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| 16:51.17 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 16:53.06 | dangerstat | paissad what type of files are you aiming to play? |
| 16:53.22 | paissad | dangerstat, avi files |
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| 16:54.29 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone, I'm upgrading my debian box (testing version) I have just found the kernel image package 2.6.30, and there are two versions for the ppro's and similar, which are the "vainilla" and the bigmeme with hypervisoro for xen. I don't have a machine with more than 4gb of ram, but I want to tickle a bit with xen, do I have to install the bigmeme version of the kernel? does it affects to something in the performance i a machin |
| 16:54.29 | nootoyahora | e with no such ram? |
| 16:55.17 | jchillerup | Thank you very much, slept |
| 16:55.31 | slept | welcome |
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| 16:55.52 | tziku | hello how can i restric entire ip-class ? iptables -A INPUT -p udp -s 93.122.***.*** -j DROP (i want to restrict all 93.122.) |
| 16:56.20 | cahoot | ipcalc? |
| 16:56.25 | jchillerup | Yay, it worked, slept. Thank you again :) |
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| 16:57.12 | rozie | tziku: 93.122.0.0/16 |
| 16:57.25 | tziku | thanks rozie |
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| 17:05.37 | gigo | did anyone try to help me/ |
| 17:05.41 | gigo | i was disconnected. |
| 17:06.00 | slept | Finally I managed to send with exim via gmail, still i didn't figure how to forward all mail to/with that account |
| 17:06.40 | slept | acu, have a look at /tmp |
| 17:07.05 | slept | and delete whataver you feel like |
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| 17:26.52 | daniel-vlc | i are making a debian live with installer... when install i set the language to "es" but after install the keyboard are in "us" layout... |
| 17:27.11 | daniel-vlc | any idea? |
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| 17:29.38 | cahoot | add the content you want |
| 17:29.42 | taras | to what Identifier in Section "Device" should I apply? |
| 17:30.01 | taras | well I have it set for keyboard, but not for video card |
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| 17:30.16 | negge | daniel-vlc: the installer first asks you about the installer language, then the keyboard layout. In my experience, it works as it should, but if you install a desktop environment it may sometimes "forget" which layout you chose during installation. |
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| 17:31.55 | taras | cahoot: Identifier "Configured Video Device" ? |
| 17:32.04 | daniel-vlc | yes negge ... this is the question... the tty consoles are well configured with "es" keymap... but the X remains on "us" layout... |
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| 17:34.47 | cahoot | taras: I think the Identifier i arbitrary |
| 17:34.54 | cahoot | is |
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| 17:35.04 | taras | mh |
| 17:35.06 | G__81 | hi |
| 17:35.06 | daniel-vlc | i need one solution or idea to research... i cant publish the Live with this problem :( |
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| 17:35.15 | G__81 | i have installed debian 5.0 |
| 17:35.18 | G__81 | in my laptop |
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| 17:35.40 | G__81 | this is the first time i have installed it and i need people here to help me a little on setting it up |
| 17:35.56 | G__81 | hi abrotman |
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| 17:36.16 | Titan8990 | !tell G__81 about install guide |
| 17:36.33 | factor | I am using wine-1.0.1 when i start a wine program it blanks the screen in need of refresh, does anyone know or have this same problem? |
| 17:36.42 | G__81 | i am using lenny |
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| 17:36.47 | G__81 | but it says Etch |
| 17:37.08 | Titan8990 | G__81, look again, it says both |
| 17:37.28 | G__81 | oh sorry |
| 17:37.46 | G__81 | Titan8990: i spoke to abrotman he said that i ve to install the firmware of iwl3945 which is my wireless card |
| 17:37.47 | sepult | why the hell is amarok now crashing in lenny suddenly |
| 17:37.50 | marcel | G__81: cat /proc/version |
| 17:37.53 | G__81 | where do i install it from ? |
| 17:37.53 | sepult | it was working before |
| 17:38.16 | G__81 | Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-13) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 |
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| 17:38.43 | G__81 | any my apt is also not configured it now only has the Debian DVD entry |
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| 17:39.26 | adb | dpkg: tell G__81 -about sources |
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| 17:39.52 | adb | G__81: comment Debian DVD entry in |
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| 17:40.56 | G__81 | adb ok and can i add the lines in sources.list in the example directory to /etc/apt/sources ? |
| 17:41.07 | adb | sure |
| 17:41.38 | G__81 | adb i want to install the firmware for intel 3945 where do i get it form |
| 17:41.41 | G__81 | i mean from |
| 17:42.03 | action09 | i'm using a debian lenny on vmware for purposes tests, and it seems to ahve a US keyboard, i did dpkg-reconfigure locales and console-data to use more EU config but in console it's agina a querty keyboard. how can i change that please ? (querty/azerty) . Clue: no X installed.. |
| 17:42.12 | adb | dpkg: tell G__81 -about 3945 |
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| 17:42.36 | rozie | G__81: wajig search iwl firmware |
| 17:42.40 | adb | dpkg: tell G__81 -about selftell |
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| 17:43.51 | action09 | loadkeys fr-latin9 |
| 17:43.51 | G__81 | http://pastebin.com/m611217ba |
| 17:44.05 | G__81 | adb: this is the contents of my sources.list |
| 17:44.05 | action09 | hmm to set permanent-proof |
| 17:44.05 | G__81 | http://pastebin.com/m611217ba |
| 17:44.20 | G__81 | adb can you just check whether i ve the right ones setup ? |
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| 17:45.27 | adb | G__81: change all "stable" with lenny , all is ok , apt-get update after all done |
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| 17:46.38 | G__81 | thanks adb and then i can install the wifi stuff using apt-get itself right ? |
| 17:46.56 | adb | yes |
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| 17:47.07 | G__81 | i really hope my wireless works :) |
| 17:48.02 | G__81 | and i am not able to mount the windows partitions though its shown in the my computer stuff when i click on them i get the error "Invalid Mount Option" |
| 17:48.08 | G__81 | for all drives |
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| 17:49.12 | adb | dpkg: tell G__81 -about ntfs-3g |
| 17:49.36 | G__81 | there is no entry for any of windows stuff in the fstab. only one partition is NTFS the others are FAT32 |
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| 17:51.42 | G__81 | adb |
| 17:51.52 | G__81 | you there ? |
| 17:51.58 | adb | yes |
| 17:52.01 | G__81 | ok am i online ? |
| 17:52.10 | rozie | no |
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| 17:52.52 | G__81 | i have installed the iwl3945 stuff and did modprobe iwl3945 and i use wpa2 for encryption and now when i click on wireless networks it shows the SSID but there is no authentication mechanism. i see one option as None and the other as LEAP |
| 17:52.57 | G__81 | how do i use wpa2 |
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| 17:53.48 | adb | iwl3945 don't need wpa2 |
| 17:54.00 | G__81 | that means ? |
| 17:54.11 | G__81 | thats how i ve been connecting from my other linux distros |
| 17:54.16 | G__81 | i give the password and connect |
| 17:54.23 | cypr1nus | hello, any informations about kde4.3 in testing? |
| 17:54.28 | G__81 | and i have set it up like that |
| 17:54.30 | G__81 | also |
| 17:54.47 | taras | cypr1nus: I'm building from source on lenny |
| 17:54.58 | G__81 | cant i use that ? |
| 17:55.14 | G__81 | the nm-applet should have support for it |
| 17:55.17 | cypr1nus | taras: i meant in repositories |
| 17:55.43 | adb | G__81: http://pastebin.com/m54da5ab7 |
| 17:56.07 | G__81 | you want me to add that in interfaces file ? |
| 17:56.28 | adb | try it , sure |
| 17:56.35 | rozie | G__81: install wicd |
| 17:56.43 | G__81 | wicd ? |
| 17:56.49 | adb | wicd on lenny ? |
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| 17:57.05 | rozie | want a deb? |
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| 17:57.18 | G__81 | i dont have wicd |
| 17:57.26 | G__81 | it does not have a release candidate |
| 17:57.35 | G__81 | i dont want to change wpa2 stuff |
| 17:57.41 | adb | wifi-radar |
| 17:57.46 | G__81 | i dont want to change the router settings |
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| 17:58.21 | rozie | wicd is very good |
| 17:58.41 | G__81 | ok adb i ve installed wifi-radar |
| 17:58.46 | adb | judd: versions wicd |
| 17:58.46 | judd | adb: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 lenny-backports: 1.5.9-5~bpo50+1 sid: 1.6.1-3 squeeze: 1.6.1-3 |
| 17:58.54 | G__81 | whats that |
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| 17:59.17 | G__81 | when i run wifi-radar i get segmentation fault it shows lot of warnings |
| 17:59.25 | G__81 | all GtkWarnings |
| 17:59.40 | rozie | I have 1.6.1-3 backported to Lenny |
| 17:59.43 | G__81 | i guess some Gtk is not setup properly |
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| 18:00.20 | G__81 | this is what i get |
| 18:00.21 | G__81 | http://pastebin.com/m5a32a8e4 |
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| 18:00.59 | G__81 | i have pasted my errors here |
| 18:01.00 | G__81 | http://pastebin.com/m5a32a8e4 |
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| 18:01.09 | G__81 | oh sorry pasted it twice |
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| 18:01.32 | richardr | hi |
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| 18:02.12 | G__81 | adb what do i do |
| 18:02.16 | richardr | what's required to "tunnel" traffic through a server from your home machine? (for example to lower latency on an online game...) |
| 18:02.29 | G__81 | if wireless is a problem then its a big hurdle for me :o |
| 18:02.30 | G__81 | :( |
| 18:03.39 | rozie | G__81: it's not a problem |
| 18:03.58 | rozie | you have perfectly supported card |
| 18:04.04 | adb | G__81: ifdown wlan0 ifup wlan0 |
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| 18:05.00 | rozie | just install wpasupplicant |
| 18:05.00 | G__81 | i have not added what you said in network interfaces |
| 18:05.03 | G__81 | should i add / |
| 18:05.08 | G__81 | rozie: its already there |
| 18:05.17 | G__81 | i just checked this http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 18:05.22 | rozie | install some kind of network manager |
| 18:05.34 | G__81 | i have the network-manager-gnome as well as wpasupplicant |
| 18:05.39 | openpercept | richardr, do you wish to redirect internet traffic through a server? |
| 18:05.40 | rozie | do you want my .deb of wicd (for lenny)? |
| 18:05.46 | G__81 | as mentioned in that ? |
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| 18:06.10 | rozie | (not safe, you can backport from testing by yourself, will be the same) |
| 18:06.26 | G__81 | now how do i resolve wireless :) |
| 18:06.27 | richardr | openpercept, ya because it might have better routes to the game servers |
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| 18:06.38 | richardr | would i use a SOCKS proxy? [am i on the right rack?] |
| 18:06.43 | richardr | track* |
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| 18:07.07 | G__81 | ok let me disconnect from the wired and try wireless |
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| 18:08.42 | openpercept | richardr, yes you are on right track |
| 18:08.44 | richardr | openpercept; got a couple of debian servers i barely use, thought i might put em to use ;) |
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| 18:09.09 | richardr | openpercept; any advice? specifically how to set one up ? |
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| 18:11.52 | jchillerup | How can I get update-initramfs to ignore a kernel that doesn't exist anymore? |
| 18:11.52 | jchillerup | The error is: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.29.1-jch |
| 18:11.52 | jchillerup | whoops: Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.29.1-jch |
| 18:11.55 | edju | trying to get the multimedia keys to work. i put what seems pertinent at http://paste.debian.net/44361/. if someone can take a peek and let me know if any errors, i'd appreciate it. |
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| 18:12.20 | openpercept | richardr, you can refer http://infocenter.guardiandigital.com/manuals/IAMServer/node11.html |
| 18:13.54 | nsadmin | jchillerup: why doesn't it exist? |
| 18:14.21 | richardr | thanks |
| 18:14.51 | openpercept | richardr, no problems |
| 18:15.29 | jchillerup | nsadmin: I think I over-boldly deleted it at some point (I compiled it myself, and it didn't solve my problems) |
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| 18:15.46 | richardr | so openssh natively supports this? |
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| 18:16.22 | nsadmin | jchillerup did you use make-kpkg to build it? |
| 18:16.27 | jchillerup | Yes. |
| 18:16.39 | nsadmin | so uninstall the package |
| 18:16.45 | jchillerup | I don't have it anymore |
| 18:16.49 | jchillerup | :( |
| 18:17.06 | nsadmin | did you rm things? |
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| 18:17.16 | nsadmin | if so, you still have the package installed |
| 18:17.17 | jchillerup | nsadmin: Yes. the .deb, for example |
| 18:17.23 | jchillerup | Oh? |
| 18:17.40 | jchillerup | As in I can find a .deb somewhere? |
| 18:17.45 | nsadmin | no |
| 18:17.53 | openpercept | richardr, yes |
| 18:18.06 | nsadmin | how exactly did you remove the kernel? |
| 18:18.09 | jchillerup | Oh, but that I knew already ;) |
| 18:18.21 | jchillerup | I rm'd the .debs and kernel sources |
| 18:18.35 | jchillerup | and removed its mention in my grub conifg |
| 18:19.32 | jchillerup | I mean, somehwere, in some file, there must be a line I can delete |
| 18:19.34 | nsadmin | and how did you remove the /lib/modules/x.y.z? |
| 18:19.47 | jchillerup | rm (I think?) |
| 18:19.52 | jchillerup | (it's been a while) |
| 18:19.58 | nsadmin | ok, so you still have the package installed. |
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| 18:20.05 | jchillerup | Yes, I think ido |
| 18:20.35 | nsadmin | and you don't want this kernel, I take it? |
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| 18:21.06 | jchillerup | Correct. |
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| 18:21.24 | nsadmin | ok, use dpkg to purge it |
| 18:21.37 | nsadmin | look at dpkg --help |
| 18:21.38 | jchillerup | one second... |
| 18:21.43 | jchillerup | -P. |
| 18:22.06 | jchillerup | Is there a way to search through installed packages and see which one(s) end in -jch? |
| 18:22.13 | nsadmin | and you need the package name, you can also use dpkg to get the list |
| 18:22.24 | jchillerup | aight, thanks |
| 18:22.27 | nsadmin | try dpkg -l | grep kernel |
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| 18:22.38 | nsadmin | err |
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| 18:22.46 | nsadmin | try dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 18:22.48 | jchillerup | No dice :( |
| 18:23.15 | jchillerup | No mention of the -jch kernel |
| 18:23.27 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 18:23.46 | nsadmin | try dpkg -l | grep image |
| 18:23.49 | jchillerup | None matching the version number either |
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| 18:24.18 | jchillerup | Nope :( |
| 18:24.40 | nsadmin | ok so it's not installed after all... you may have purged it already |
| 18:24.48 | Mac101 | hi does anyone know how i can rearrange the sd* letter designations during(before) a debian install? |
| 18:25.06 | jchillerup | yeah, I might... |
| 18:25.16 | nsadmin | or never used make-kpkg in the first place? but no, you said you had a .deb |
| 18:25.27 | jchillerup | I disd use make-kpkg |
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| 18:25.34 | jchillerup | did |
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| 18:26.06 | nsadmin | ok, you must have purged it if -l doesn't show it |
| 18:26.27 | nsadmin | look in /boot |
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| 18:26.53 | jchillerup | nothing relating to the -jch kernel |
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| 18:27.54 | nsadmin | and there are no files /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel*? |
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| 18:28.10 | G__81 | adb, have got connected to wireless |
| 18:28.13 | G__81 | :) |
| 18:28.17 | G__81 | i am on wireless works |
| 18:28.59 | jchillerup | nsadmin: there are references to several files in those files. |
| 18:29.30 | nsadmin | but none of those are your kernel version? |
| 18:29.47 | jchillerup | My current one or the one I'm trying to get rid of? I'm assuming the latter. |
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| 18:30.08 | slept | jchillerup, I tought you solved your problem ? |
| 18:30.12 | nsadmin | the one you're getting rid of |
| 18:30.14 | jchillerup | not really :( |
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| 18:31.09 | jchillerup | nsadmin: No references to 2.6.29.1-jch |
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| 18:32.11 | nsadmin | hmm, howbout any files /var/lib/dpkg/info/*2.6.29* |
| 18:32.25 | jchillerup | sorry. slept, I got rid of many of the error messages, and I managed to do an aptitude update, but no installs for now |
| 18:32.50 | jchillerup | nsadmin: no dice :( |
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| 18:33.09 | nsadmin | so it's been purged |
| 18:33.37 | jchillerup | It seems. |
| 18:34.03 | G__81 | rozie, wireless works :) |
| 18:34.37 | nsadmin | and so we've ruled out any reference to the package database as the source of your problem... also the kernel itself and all its parts are gone |
| 18:34.37 | slept | jchillerup, so what is the error indicating " no installs" |
| 18:34.37 | jchillerup | Wait, that's what slept told me to do. So yes, it is definitely purged. Sorry... |
| 18:34.56 | jchillerup | I don't understand your question |
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| 18:35.23 | nsadmin | try running update-grub |
| 18:35.27 | slept | jchillerup, you said "..., but no installs..." |
| 18:35.42 | crank | Hello, is there any possibility to show covers in conky? |
| 18:36.27 | jchillerup | Oh, slept : http://pastebin.ca/1531690 |
| 18:36.32 | jchillerup | and nsadmin maybe also |
| 18:36.42 | G__81 | i want to install nvidia drivers for my kernel which runs debian lenny. the version of kernel is 2.6.26-1 on i386 |
| 18:36.56 | G__81 | i did query the bot and i gave apt-cache search nvidia-kernel |
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| 18:37.18 | Titan8990 | G__81, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:37.22 | G__81 | and i have got some options can i just install this ? |
| 18:37.23 | G__81 | nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 18:37.44 | dabreegs1er | I'm getting more and more frequent kernel crashes (everything locks up, keyboard LEDs flash morse code), was happening with 2.6.27 and now with the new 2.6.30 in squeeze. Can't find anything in /var/log or anywhere, where do dumps go or how do I diagnose this? |
| 18:37.44 | G__81 | Titan8990, there it says downloading from the nvidia.com |
| 18:37.46 | G__81 | website |
| 18:38.00 | slept | jchillerup, just purge the initramfs-tools aswell , and than reinstall them |
| 18:38.16 | Titan8990 | dabreegs1er, those kind of things, dmesg |
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| 18:39.34 | jchillerup | slept, all right, did this and accepted the first solution that aptitude offered. I'm on a rather slow connection so it might take some time before I can tell you guys if it worked. I know you're as anxious as me :P |
| 18:40.05 | dabreegs1er | Titan8990: Not sure if the output is from the last session that crashed, or this current boot though.. towards the end I see a nasty call trace. Would that be it? |
| 18:40.19 | jchillerup | but THANK YOU for helping me so far |
| 18:40.36 | Mac101 | hi does anyone know how i can rearrange the sd* letter designations during(before) a debian install? |
| 18:40.41 | nsadmin | dabreegs1er, I'd also run a mem test |
| 18:40.46 | Mac101 | ^ on the install menu |
| 18:41.01 | dabreegs1er | Starts with do_ide_request and mentions ide_cdrom_drive_status a few lines down, I haven't even been using my drive.. I'll try disconnecting it and see if it still crashes as frequently |
| 18:41.13 | dabreegs1er | nsadmin: OK, thanks. Been meaning to do one on this machine anyway |
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| 18:41.36 | nsadmin | just to rule out hardware |
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| 18:44.34 | nsadmin | jchillerup: you could look at the postinst of initramfs-tools |
| 18:44.43 | dabreegs1er | I'll run it tonight. From a live cd is fine, so I don't have to burn another image? |
| 18:45.15 | nsadmin | do you run linux on a pc? |
| 18:45.22 | dabreegs1er | Yes |
| 18:45.47 | dabreegs1er | No floppy drive, and my cd writer is borked, so I'd prefer to use stuff I've already burnt |
| 18:45.48 | nsadmin | ok, then just install memtest86, make sure it's in grub and reboot |
| 18:46.04 | dabreegs1er | oh, it has hooks. Right. |
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| 18:47.23 | nsadmin | if you look at your /boot/grub/menu.lst now, and it's based on the default one, you'll see a flag to set about memtest86 |
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| 18:49.41 | nsadmin | don't uncomment it (long story) |
| 18:50.14 | dabreegs1er | I'm using grub-pc (grub2); it's in grub.cfg correctly |
| 18:51.07 | nsadmin | ok so you're all set... once you have it installed, you can reboot into it |
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| 18:52.23 | dabreegs1er | Right, I'll do that tonight.. hopefully it's something simple that the badram patch can fix. The stack trace in my dmesg, is it relevant? Seems to indicate problems talking with my ide cd drive |
| 18:53.10 | nsadmin | stack trace? hmm |
| 18:53.40 | nsadmin | I'd be curious to look at that |
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| 18:54.00 | guysoft42 | hi all, how can i stop pulseaudio in a kde system in debian? |
| 18:54.56 | acidslep | does it have a .d controller? |
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| 18:55.11 | dabreegs1er | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/44371/ I ran dmesg when I rebooted after the crash, so would this be from last time? |
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| 18:56.31 | nsadmin | it looks like you're getting this stack trace multiple times |
| 18:56.53 | Titan8990 | dabreegs1er, that looks bad |
| 18:57.47 | dabreegs1er | CD drive wasn't in use, but I see mention of it.. I don't use it often; would you recommend disconnecting it just to see if it makes a difference? |
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| 19:00.16 | acu | how can I remove everything from /tmp ? |
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| 19:00.44 | dabreegs1er | acu: rm -rf /tmp/* but why would you want to? and stuff'll appear as soon as anything writes to it again |
| 19:01.17 | blast_hardcheese | Not sure how long my net is going to stay up this time, I need some help |
| 19:01.33 | blast_hardcheese | 5 minutes ago my net went down, syslog was spammed with eth0: bogus packet size: 1799, status=0x0 nxpg=0x0. |
| 19:02.01 | blast_hardcheese | I /etc/init.d/networking restart'd and the messages stopped, |
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| 19:02.28 | blast_hardcheese | (although I had to dhclient eth0 again (eth0 is the port connected to the modem)) |
| 19:03.09 | blast_hardcheese | I've set up an old laptop as a firewall/router, dual PCMCIA NICs, eth0 and eth1, external and internal respectively |
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| 19:03.53 | blast_hardcheese | Searching for this message gives few responses, I was thinking that the packet size 1799 (or the fact that it was always 1799) would mean something to someone, and that they would be able to suggest a course of action |
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| 19:04.12 | Mac101 | hey does anyone know how to change say sda to sdb or watever during/before a debain install? |
| 19:05.00 | acidslep | what do you mean mac101? |
| 19:05.04 | blast_hardcheese | Mac101: Plug the drive into a different SATA port? |
| 19:05.08 | acidslep | change the target of the install? |
| 19:06.04 | blast_hardcheese | Also, I forgot to mention; I tried to tcpdump during the "bogus packet" storm, but tcpdump hung on launch |
| 19:06.20 | blast_hardcheese | Interrupt didn't work, I had to background and kill -9 to stop it |
| 19:06.28 | Mac101 | i need to actually reassige the device letter if possible |
| 19:06.38 | Mac101 | im doing a pxe install with encryption |
| 19:06.47 | dabreegs1er | blast_hardcheese: Not sure about your problem, but that sounds like normal behavior with tcpdump.. it never listens to sigterm |
| 19:07.11 | Mac101 | netboot and normal boot results in different sd* designation for the install drive |
| 19:07.18 | blast_hardcheese | tcpdump has always responded to ^C |
| 19:07.22 | blast_hardcheese | for me, at least |
| 19:07.28 | Mac101 | which is somthing that cant change with an encrypted root |
| 19:08.01 | blast_hardcheese | Mac101: use UUIDs for your drives instead of drive letter designations? |
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| 19:09.22 | blast_hardcheese | Actually, come to think of it... The "bogus packet" storm coincided with me running a Speakeasy Speedtest |
| 19:09.22 | blast_hardcheese | I clicked the "start" button, but the page lagged |
| 19:09.22 | Mac101 | yeah im confused cause shouldnt an encrypted instal do that by default |
| 19:09.32 | blast_hardcheese | so I refreshed, but by that time the net was down |
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| 19:15.11 | guysoft42 | asking again - how can i stop pulseaudio in a kde system in debian? |
| 19:15.28 | Bohemian | how do i get two LCD monitors working? (not the same size). they don't have to mirror, i just want to use both screens |
| 19:15.45 | nsadmin | UUIDs refer to filesystems on partitions or other types of volumes |
| 19:16.03 | nsadmin | not to whole drives unless the filesystem is |
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| 19:20.09 | ryan__ | Hey, i want to set up a few scripts that mount an encrypted volume when a key file is present in some media, when that media is plugged in |
| 19:20.55 | boxxertrumps | what encryption software would be best for this? |
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| 19:21.24 | nsadmin | how will you know the key file is present before you mount it |
| 19:22.08 | boxxertrumps | i'm keeping the keyfile in a usb stick, i want the scripts to trigger when that's mounted |
| 19:22.29 | valdyn | boxxertrumps: you need to write a custom udev script in order to do that |
| 19:22.30 | Durtro | Hello |
| 19:23.45 | valdyn | boxxertrumps: maybe someone did that already -> google |
| 19:24.16 | boxxertrumps | i was looking around earlier but i couldn't find anything, probably not using the right language |
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| 19:25.02 | boxxertrumps | i'm fine with doing this completely from scratch, though. I dont need encryption for anything other than learning\ |
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| 19:25.06 | boxxertrumps | and porn |
| 19:25.31 | valdyn | !fgi boxxertrumps udev+run+script+when+device+plugged+in |
| 19:25.31 | dpkg | boxxertrumps: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=udev+run+script+when+device+plugged+in |
| 19:26.06 | fxiny | pam usb ? |
| 19:27.08 | jchillerup | slept, that rendered my system useless ;) |
| 19:27.16 | boxxertrumps | when you mentioned udev i started reading http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html but a more specific example i can run off of would be awesome |
| 19:27.18 | Bohemian | how do i set up my debian box so two lcd monitors will display? |
| 19:27.32 | jchillerup | but don't worry, I'm downloading a cd image right now, for reinstallation |
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| 19:27.55 | valdyn | Bohemian: man xrandr |
| 19:28.02 | jchillerup | (purging initramfs-tools made aptitude delete kernel packages, etc.) |
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| 19:28.30 | valdyn | guysoft42: what are you trying to get from stopping pulseaudio? |
| 19:28.42 | jchillerup | I have a seperate /home partition, so reinstallation should be mostly painless |
| 19:28.48 | jchillerup | Thanks for helping me anyway |
| 19:28.51 | guysoft42 | valdyn, to try and get mythtv to work |
| 19:28.59 | valdyn | guysoft42: killall pulseaudio |
| 19:29.09 | guysoft42 | valdyn, just got DVB working here, i think i am the first |
| 19:29.16 | guysoft42 | its experemental |
| 19:29.26 | valdyn | guysoft42: dvb experimental? |
| 19:29.28 | Hukka | What's happening here? Running m-a auto-install nvidia gives "WARNING: Can't read module /lib/modules/2.6.30-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko: Exec format error" |
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| 19:29.31 | valdyn | guysoft42: id doubt that |
| 19:29.50 | boxxertrumps | hmmm, and for the encryption half of this, i know truecrypt is popular but i have never used any of the software before |
| 19:29.54 | blast_hardcheese | Another question, this time about Linux Routing; My connection speed dropped from close to 10mb synchronous to between 1.5 and 3.0 mb synchronous when I installed the firewall |
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| 19:30.09 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: which firewall? |
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| 19:30.23 | Bohemian | valdyn: i'm exposed to the X11 bug where no xorg.conf file is created. will this cause problems for me? |
| 19:30.31 | valdyn | Bohemian: that is not a bug |
| 19:30.39 | Bohemian | what is it then? |
| 19:30.41 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: iptables, |
| 19:30.45 | valdyn | Bohemian: working as intended |
| 19:30.52 | guysoft42 | valdyn, i dont, the FOSS community here is quite small. no one reported this yet |
| 19:30.54 | Bohemian | hm, i read a bug report for it though? |
| 19:31.01 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: if you think that iptables cant handle 10mb very easily then youre on the wrong track |
| 19:31.05 | Bohemian | valdyn: how do i edit the xorg.conf file then? i need to set up compiz later... |
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| 19:31.21 | boxxertrumps | looks for a more specific channel... |
| 19:31.21 | valdyn | Bohemian: why would compiz need editing xorg.conf? |
| 19:31.28 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: I've got iptables set up already, I'm asking why my connection speed has dropped so much |
| 19:31.33 | Bohemian | valdyn: that's what the guide said with gnome |
| 19:31.36 | Bohemian | i'll look again |
| 19:31.44 | valdyn | Bohemian: outdated guide maybe |
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| 19:32.03 | valdyn | Bohemian: setting up X to run compiz needs no guide anymore |
| 19:32.04 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: I've got an 800mhz laptop with dual 10/100 PCMCIA (non-cardbus) NICs |
| 19:32.23 | Bohemian | valdyn: not X, but compiz + xfce4 |
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| 19:32.33 | valdyn | Bohemian: install compiz and run it, nothing else to it |
| 19:32.53 | blast_hardcheese | only 256 megs of ram though, would that be a problem? |
| 19:32.55 | valdyn | Bohemian: unless you installed X the "wrong" way, then you might have to explicitely install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 19:33.02 | keith4_ | blast_hardcheese, not at all |
| 19:33.16 | blast_hardcheese | keith4_: Any thoughts then? |
| 19:33.27 | keith4_ | i used to use a celeron 400 with 64M of ram to route 20mbit without any trouble |
| 19:33.30 | Bohemian | valdyn: for xrandr, is "output DVI" DVI or DVID? |
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| 19:33.50 | valdyn | Bohemian: no idea |
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| 19:34.44 | Michalos | witam ;) |
| 19:35.08 | Michalos | s¹ tu Polacy;d? |
| 19:35.15 | valdyn | and that celeron should route 100mbit easily too |
| 19:35.23 | keith4_ | truth |
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| 19:35.41 | blast_hardcheese | Then what could the problem be? I'm really surprised I'm getting this low throughput |
| 19:35.56 | keith4_ | user error :-P |
| 19:35.59 | edju | trying to get the multimedia keys to work. i put what seems pertinent at http://paste.debian.net/44361/. if someone can take a quick peek and let me know if any obvious errors, i'd appreciate it. |
| 19:36.09 | blast_hardcheese | keith4_: :( |
| 19:36.32 | keith4_ | what else is the laptop doing? |
| 19:36.38 | blast_hardcheese | Nothing at all |
| 19:36.42 | nsadmin | edju: try aptitude update |
| 19:36.42 | blast_hardcheese | ssh |
| 19:36.55 | keith4_ | pastebin your iptables |
| 19:37.03 | blast_hardcheese | roger that |
| 19:37.37 | blast_hardcheese | http://pastebin.com/d5414d5bd |
| 19:38.14 | blast_hardcheese | eth0 is the internet, eth1 was the (now disabled) private network, eth2 is the public/guest network |
| 19:38.57 | keith4_ | shrugs |
| 19:39.00 | edju | nsadmin, nothing to update. is there a particular prog, file, whatever that's bad? |
| 19:39.02 | keith4_ | this is why I use firehol |
| 19:39.02 | blast_hardcheese | I'm setting this up as protection for the little backpacker hostel I'm staying at, since they had all their network infrastructure visible from the guest network |
| 19:39.07 | markybob | blast_hardcheese, which distro are you using? |
| 19:39.17 | nsadmin | blast you could just use ipmasq |
| 19:39.28 | blast_hardcheese | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 |
| 19:40.16 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese, you just want to nat the eth2 out thru eth0? |
| 19:40.36 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, but also disallow access to 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 19:41.06 | nsadmin | 192.168.* is unroutable |
| 19:41.20 | keith4_ | ah. so eth1 -> eth0 and eth2 -> eth0, but not eth1 <-> eth2 ? |
| 19:42.18 | blast_hardcheese | keith4_, That was the initial idea, but unfortunately the modem requires a computer on the same network to manage it, and I'm not skilled enough to do direct passthrough of all packets between eth1 and eth0 |
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| 19:42.36 | blast_hardcheese | (like dhcp requests on eth1 go to eth0 and the responses are routed accordingly) |
| 19:42.48 | nsadmin | I'm guessing he probably wants eth1 > eth2 but not eth1 < eth2 |
| 19:43.03 | blast_hardcheese | No, they should be completely separate networks |
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| 19:43.23 | blast_hardcheese | Neither side should be able to see each other |
| 19:43.41 | Farhadix | Hi, How find what process using Internet? |
| 19:43.52 | nsadmin | that's probably ipmasq plus a coupla rules |
| 19:44.44 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: but if basic iptables is killing the connection speed that much, (10mb to 1.5-3mb) couldn't the issue simply be the hardware? |
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| 19:45.36 | nsadmin | I would guess no if without iptables it runs fine |
| 19:45.51 | nsadmin | but I would also think it's more specific than that |
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| 19:46.11 | blast_hardcheese | well, before iptables everything was just connected to a big dumb switch |
| 19:46.28 | nsadmin | and it ran fast? |
| 19:46.32 | blast_hardcheese | yes |
| 19:47.01 | blast_hardcheese | Then I put this laptop in there with these two pcmcia |
| 19:47.07 | nsadmin | what's the machine like that has the iptables rules? |
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| 19:47.57 | blast_hardcheese | 800mhz P3 laptop, 256 mb ram, used 10 gb HDD, dual 10/100 PCMCIA (non-cardbus) NICs |
| 19:48.51 | taras | how to clear caches in ram? |
| 19:48.55 | nsadmin | it sounds like it could handle it |
| 19:49.03 | fxiny | PMCIA ? did you ask google "1799, status=0x0 nxpg=0x0" ? |
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| 19:49.28 | markybob | taras, echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 19:49.57 | blast_hardcheese | fxiny: I asked google bogus packet size: 1799, status=0x0 nxpg=0x0 |
| 19:50.05 | taras | tnx markybob |
| 19:50.13 | tdn | I get this error when trying to mount an NFS share: mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'syrah:/data/nfs' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered |
| 19:50.16 | tdn | What does that mean? |
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| 19:51.10 | justin | tdn: install nfs-common? |
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| 19:52.10 | tdn | nfs-common is already the newest version. |
| 19:52.22 | nsadmin | and portmap is installed? |
| 19:53.18 | fisfia | hi, someone speaking swedish how who could help me with a question? |
| 19:53.44 | nsadmin | !.se |
| 19:53.44 | dpkg | methinks .se is Sweden |
| 19:53.53 | tdn | nsadmin, portmap is already the newest version. |
| 19:54.05 | angerman | lenny is stable, right? |
| 19:54.12 | nsadmin | hmm. no specific .se channels |
| 19:54.13 | blast_hardcheese | Yes |
| 19:54.31 | ctmjr | tdn: are you using debian or ubuntu |
| 19:54.43 | nsadmin | tdn: what happens when you stop portmap and restart it? |
| 19:55.18 | tdn | ctmjr, debian on server, ubuntu on client. |
| 19:55.21 | izua | how can i use lp to print a pdf on two sides of the paper using a printer that supports only one side printing? |
| 19:55.24 | tdn | nsadmin, will try. |
| 19:55.44 | izua | the windows software can do that by printing odd pages first, then pausing and waiting for me to move the pages between the tray and the feeder. |
| 19:55.45 | tdn | nsadmin, same. |
| 19:55.47 | blast_hardcheese | izua: print every other page |
| 19:55.55 | izua | yes, how do i do that? |
| 19:56.03 | blast_hardcheese | Depends on how you're printing |
| 19:56.06 | izua | lp only has -P |
| 19:56.13 | izua | and wants me to specify individual pages |
| 19:56.17 | izua | i'm printing with lp |
| 19:56.34 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: I'm really at a loss here, |
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| 19:58.18 | Bohemian | i'm trying to set up 5.1 surround sound. followed several guides, but still not working. i thought i turned on all the channels, but amixer doesn't look that way. can someon take a look for me and tell me what i've done wrong: pastebin.com/d5386340f |
| 19:58.47 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese: so the laptop replaced the switch? |
| 19:59.07 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: The laptop was stuck between the switch and the modem |
| 19:59.15 | tdn | nsadmin, ctmjr: I am suspecting that maybe the firewall or hosts.allow/hosts.deny is blocking NFS? |
| 19:59.49 | blast_hardcheese | tdn: Do you have iptables running on that machine? |
| 19:59.50 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese: so the laptop was involved before |
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| 20:00.04 | tdn | blast_hardcheese, I have just cleared all iptables rules from the client. |
| 20:00.11 | tdn | balans, I will to the same on the server. 2 secs. |
| 20:00.20 | nsadmin | tdn, that's not what the error message says tho |
| 20:00.34 | tdn | blast_hardcheese, no difference. I have no firewall now. |
| 20:00.37 | nsadmin | which machine did you restart portmap on? |
| 20:00.42 | blast_hardcheese | tdn: I think I had the same problem before, you're dropping packets on the loopback |
| 20:00.43 | tdn | blast_hardcheese, everything is ACCEPT. |
| 20:00.49 | blast_hardcheese | oh, then I don't know |
| 20:01.01 | tdn | blast_hardcheese, ahh! On server or client? |
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| 20:01.24 | tdn | nsadmin, the server. |
| 20:01.32 | tdn | nsadmin, I restarted portmap on server. |
| 20:01.46 | nsadmin | and when you got the error message, it came from? |
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| 20:02.02 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: No, sorry; before there was just a big switch and a modem, now there's a big switch going to a laptop going to the modem |
| 20:02.30 | nixadmin | is there any way i can get a list of files which needs to be updated and its size before doing real rsync |
| 20:02.31 | nsadmin | ok, so you introduce the laptop and that's when the performance dropped? |
| 20:02.38 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: Yes |
| 20:02.43 | tdn | nixadmin, rsync -n ? |
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| 20:03.16 | nsadmin | ok, so yeah, I would then suspect the hardware in the laptop as possible source of the performance problem. |
| 20:03.32 | blast_hardcheese | I just started copying a 1gb file over the network to the laptop, |
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| 20:04.07 | sergiumihai | Hi |
| 20:04.14 | blast_hardcheese | it started transferring at 3.~Megs a second, then every second dropped down and stopped around 1.0 meg a second |
| 20:04.14 | tdn | For some reason syrah resolves to 127.0.1.1 while localhost resolves to 127.0.0.1. |
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| 20:04.26 | blast_hardcheese | tdn: That's your /etc/hosts |
| 20:04.28 | tdn | blast_hardcheese, is that the same as you experienced? |
| 20:04.37 | nsadmin | but really we haven't gone further in, so it could be the laptop, the os, the iptables rules or any combination |
| 20:04.43 | blast_hardcheese | 127.x.x.x should all resolve to localhost |
| 20:04.45 | tdn | blast_hardcheese, why is syrah set to 127.0.1.1? That must be the debian installer? |
| 20:04.51 | blast_hardcheese | yes |
| 20:04.58 | tdn | blast_hardcheese, a bug in the installer? |
| 20:05.11 | blast_hardcheese | tdn: probably on purpose, although I don't know why |
| 20:05.25 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: Could also be speed of the drive I'm copying from or to |
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| 20:05.31 | blast_hardcheese | let me try to do it all from memory |
| 20:05.39 | blast_hardcheese | *in memory |
| 20:05.46 | nsadmin | the way I see it, insert black box, performance drop, could be anything in black boc |
| 20:05.50 | nsadmin | x |
| 20:05.51 | blast_hardcheese | Right |
| 20:05.55 | tdn | Does anyone in here know why localhost is set to 127.0.0.1 and the hostname (e.g. fooserver) is set to 127.0.1.1 in /etc/hosts by the debian installer? |
| 20:06.02 | sergiumihai | !paste |
| 20:06.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 20:06.28 | nsadmin | tdn: because you told the installer there's no net? |
| 20:06.35 | nsadmin | or something like that? |
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| 20:07.19 | tdn | nsadmin, I did? I don't think I did... |
| 20:07.27 | Bohemian | i'm trying to set up 5.1 surround sound. followed several guides, but still not working. i thought i turned on all the channels, but amixer doesn't look that way. can someon take a look for me and tell me what i've done wrong: pastebin.com/d5386340f |
| 20:07.32 | nsadmin | hmm, ok |
| 20:07.33 | Bohemian | should i post my .asoundrc? |
| 20:07.56 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: That's why I'm here though, I'm not sure where the bottleneck is |
| 20:08.00 | tdn | blast_hardcheese, nsadmin: but it'll be okay, if I just set syrah to be 127.0.0.1, right? |
| 20:08.03 | tdn | In /etc/hosts. |
| 20:08.19 | nsadmin | Bohemian: you can try that, and go to #alsa, read the topic, get the info script and run it, you'll get a url |
| 20:08.19 | blast_hardcheese | tdn: I don't believe so, since they both resolve to the same thing |
| 20:08.23 | jm | mine is the same way |
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| 20:08.29 | jm | doesn't seem like a good idea |
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| 20:08.46 | sergiumihai | can anyone say what's wrong with-in interfaces? http://paste.debian.net/44379/ |
| 20:08.54 | jm | if you set up a name server like dnsmasq which reads /etc/hosts, other machines on the lan would resolve your host to the wrong address |
| 20:08.57 | Bohemian | nsadmin: what script? |
| 20:09.03 | tdn | blast_hardcheese, how did you fix it then? |
| 20:09.11 | nsadmin | look at the topic of #alsa and see |
| 20:09.20 | blast_hardcheese | tdn: accepting all packets on lo |
| 20:09.26 | blast_hardcheese | it was a simple iptables fix for me |
| 20:09.41 | blast_hardcheese | just iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT |
| 20:09.43 | tdn | blast_hardcheese, I have disabled my firewall. So that should not be the problem... |
| 20:09.45 | Bohemian | nsadmin: it just points to their wiki... |
| 20:10.03 | nsadmin | ok, let's see... |
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| 20:10.12 | tdn | blast_hardcheese, that does not fix it. |
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| 20:16.29 | gparent | Hey, I've accidentally lost this file (/etc/apache2/mods-available/dav_svn.conf) and am trying to get back the original file that comes with whichever package installed it |
| 20:16.37 | gparent | How do I find that out? |
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| 20:17.02 | gparent | I think it's libapache2-svn, but I've already apt-get install'd it over itself after removing it |
| 20:17.05 | gparent | No file appeared |
| 20:17.12 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 20:17.12 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 20:17.24 | gparent | Thanks. |
| 20:17.40 | \amethyst | gparent: libapache2-svn is the right package; you can use apt-file search to confirm that |
| 20:17.46 | wm4 | when I'm pinning the package linux-image-2.6.30-1-686, must I pin linux-headers-2.6.30-1-686 too? |
| 20:17.57 | gparent | Will note that right, \amethyst |
| 20:18.02 | gparent | that down* |
| 20:18.08 | gparent | Also, the command worked fine, thanks a lot. |
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| 20:18.22 | \amethyst | wm4: only if you're planning to build out-of-tree modules against it |
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| 20:18.36 | blast_hardcheese | internet died again, I suspect hardware failure. |
| 20:18.39 | wm4 | \amethyst: ah... that probably means I must |
| 20:18.55 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: ^^^ |
| 20:19.29 | wm4 | and linux-headers-2.6.30-1-common too? what else must I pin? |
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| 20:25.58 | aksn | hi all. I'm upgrading from debian testing kernel 2.6.26 to 2.6.30, but this causes rt73-modules to be deleted. Is this module included in 2.6.30 or what's happenning? |
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| 20:26.40 | aksn | it's wireless card's module |
| 20:26.44 | blast_hardcheese | Wrote a perl script to restart the internet every time it dies so I can sleep, |
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| 20:26.49 | blast_hardcheese | but I suspect hardware failure |
| 20:26.56 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: ^^^ |
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| 20:27.14 | nsadmin | aksn: modules normally work with one kernel version |
| 20:27.57 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese: well then pretty much the only way to deal with that is to replace it |
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| 20:28.50 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: Agreed |
| 20:28.57 | aksn | nsadmin, so i should wait until that module is available for the 2.6.30, shouldn't I? |
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| 20:29.28 | nsadmin | aksn: this is for realtime? |
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| 20:30.10 | aksn | nsadmin, sorry I don't understand your question. It's my personal computer in debian testing x64 |
| 20:30.34 | mastro | hi there, can someone advice me (link is good)? Can I bind a keyboard key to another keyboard combo? and if I can, how? xmodmap? (example: specialKey1 = ALT+2) |
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| 20:31.11 | nsadmin | aksn: what does the module do for you? |
| 20:31.42 | aksn | nsadmin, it's my wireless card's module for internet |
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| 20:32.16 | nsadmin | aksn: ohh |
| 20:32.26 | nsadmin | your wireless card is pci? |
| 20:33.06 | aksn | nsadmin, no, it's a USB Linksys |
| 20:33.20 | nsadmin | oh, in that case, try: |
| 20:33.46 | nsadmin | ifconfig wlan0 |
| 20:33.57 | nsadmin | when you;re in the .30 kernel that is |
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| 20:35.12 | nsadmin | does the kernel boot? |
| 20:35.16 | vizzy2 | hi, where are the manpages for gosmore? "No manual entry for gosmore" |
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| 20:36.00 | vizzy2 | last but not least, what does gosmore rebuild do on a debian system? are there any prebuild maps for use? |
| 20:36.02 | nsadmin | vizzy2: find the original site where the gosmore source is, get that source, look in there |
| 20:36.16 | aksn | nsadmin, I haven't upgraded yet, I just wanted to know the answer before trying, but I will make a try |
| 20:36.31 | vizzy2 | nsadmin, ok, ic, i better grab the source, seems there is no good package from gosmore in lenny |
| 20:36.40 | nsadmin | aksn: don't remove your present kernel |
| 20:36.47 | nsadmin | not yet anyway |
| 20:37.05 | vizzy2 | but i really dont like to rebuild 10 hours here on my machine , hahahaha |
| 20:37.14 | nsadmin | install the new kernel (then you'll have two) |
| 20:37.33 | nsadmin | vizzy2 I didn't say build the source, I just said look at it |
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| 20:38.10 | vizzy2 | nsadmin, to get a working gosmore in lenny i guess i will now deinstall the package and compile my own, ... |
| 20:38.36 | vizzy2 | sometimes the better way.. who knows, the pacjage may have gone with next release like ardour does :ÃœP |
| 20:38.39 | nsadmin | vizzy2: you're welcome to do that |
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| 20:39.10 | vizzy2 | yepp :) just wanted to know if theres a predefined debian way :) |
| 20:39.41 | nsadmin | vizzy2: you just want the man pages, yes? |
| 20:39.56 | vizzy2 | no, i want the maps too |
| 20:40.11 | vizzy2 | or look at the manpages where it is hidden i debian |
| 20:40.26 | vizzy2 | but, no manpages on debian, no notes from debian people |
| 20:40.43 | nsadmin | are there normally man pages? |
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| 20:40.54 | vizzy2 | i dont know :) |
| 20:41.53 | vizzy2 | i'm on vacation and wanted to restore a broken nmea log from my trip, and its only possible with gosmore i was reported, gbsbabel etc gives some weird routes |
| 20:42.47 | nsadmin | what does this whole thing do? |
| 20:42.53 | tdn | nsadmin, turns out it was tcpwrapper that caused the problem. |
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| 20:43.21 | nsadmin | tdn: oh you solved it? excellent, congratulations |
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| 20:44.04 | vizzy2 | nsadmin, its a mapviewer in basic, but it can handle broken nmea logs and convert it to a gpx file |
| 20:44.49 | nsadmin | you mean like a map of a city? |
| 20:45.17 | vizzy2 | no, a route from a trip, by bike, car etc |
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| 20:45.36 | vizzy2 | i use ttracklog (gpl app) on my girlfriends tomtom |
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| 20:46.12 | vizzy2 | but yes, gosmore displays this route/track on a nice map, of city etc |
| 20:46.20 | nsadmin | gotcha |
| 20:46.24 | wad | I run apache httpd on my debian server. I'm interesting in letting my users manage their public_html directories via the web; so they can put their own web sites up. What's a good solution? I'm thinking there is some php app I can drop on my server that will let the users do this. |
| 20:46.42 | vizzy2 | wad, use ftp |
| 20:46.50 | vizzy2 | e.g. proftpd, pureftpd |
| 20:46.53 | nsadmin | not ftp, sftp |
| 20:46.57 | wad | vizzy2, no way! |
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| 20:47.08 | vizzy2 | wad? why? |
| 20:47.09 | nsadmin | you don't ever want to use plain ftp when passwords are involved |
| 20:47.21 | wad | Right now, just scp (and ssh, of course) are available. |
| 20:47.28 | vizzy2 | ok, [x]ftp |
| 20:47.43 | vizzy2 | wad, php scripts are more worse than sftp |
| 20:47.47 | nsadmin | if ssh is there, sftp should be |
| 20:48.00 | wad | vizzy2, not if they're run under https, right? |
| 20:48.10 | wad | tries sftp |
| 20:48.28 | wad | lol |
| 20:48.29 | vizzy2 | wad, not - regarding security, but yes regarding usability |
| 20:48.35 | wad | It works! I have this, and I didn't even know. |
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| 20:49.39 | wad | vizzy2, so a user has an account and password. If they are hitting the website via https, they can enter these credentials safely, no? |
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| 20:56.11 | peterrooney | wad: yes, they can enter the credentials safely on the website, but ftp credentials are sent in plaintext. |
| 20:57.09 | wad | peterrooney, that's why I don't have ftp open on my servers. :) |
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| 20:58.32 | patrikf | wad, I think the superior option is to teach your users how to use ssh/scp |
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| 21:01.27 | wad | patrikf, I'm already on that boat. It sank. "Oh no, I have to type stuff on the keyboard! Heaven help me! Can't I use the mouse to drag little pictures around?" Sheesh. |
| 21:02.09 | patrikf | wad: most of the apps that you'd use with FTP can do ssh/scp as well |
| 21:02.57 | patrikf | (e.g. under linux, nautilus and anything using gnomevfs can do ssh://user@host/) |
| 21:04.24 | nsadmin | I accidentally killed off the desktop part of the kde... the icons and bg image... I still have panel and apps etc, any way to restart without ctrl-alt-bksp? |
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| 21:06.46 | justin | nsadmin: run kdesktop? |
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| 21:09.00 | sebas891 | hi folks, I forgot the name of the package that let you extract the configurations of an installed package. anyone remember 6 |
| 21:09.02 | sebas891 | ? |
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| 21:09.49 | nsadmin | justin: ahh, I'll look into that real quick... |
| 21:09.59 | adb | confmiss ? |
| 21:10.00 | sebas891 | it's used to automate the installation of packages with the question already answered, like a preseed. |
| 21:10.08 | justin | sebas891: debconf |
| 21:10.29 | nsadmin | that did it :) but damn, there's no man page for it |
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| 21:10.41 | sebas891 | justin: debconf --get-config packageX ? |
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| 21:13.09 | sebas891 | I don't think it's debconf... it was another package. |
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| 21:15.43 | abrotman | sebas891: debconf-get-selections ? |
| 21:15.54 | sebas891 | abrotman: :) |
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| 21:16.28 | sebas891 | that's the package I was looking for! abrotman big thanks! |
| 21:17.14 | sebas891 | well it's a command not a package. |
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| 21:26.25 | sebas891 | it's part of the debconf-utils |
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| 21:29.42 | yac | ohai |
| 21:29.46 | yac | im doing system cleanup |
| 21:29.53 | yac | and i would like to ask a few questions in here |
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| 21:30.22 | yac | why the hell does aptitude force me to install a fucking mailserver and some friggin sawfish at all costs?! |
| 21:30.33 | abrotman | sawfish isn't required |
| 21:30.36 | abrotman | !why a mailserver |
| 21:30.38 | abrotman | bleh |
| 21:30.58 | yac | abrotman: i suspects it forces me into sawfish when i removed metacity |
| 21:30.58 | abrotman | !why an mta |
| 21:30.58 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most UNIX(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. Ask me about <nullmailer>. |
| 21:31.08 | abrotman | yac: quite possibly .. are you running gnome ? |
| 21:31.31 | yac | abrotman: no gnome, but i have some gtk programs |
| 21:31.37 | yac | abrotman: ok, mta sounds reasonable |
| 21:31.49 | yac | but why sawfish? |
| 21:31.51 | abrotman | you probably wouldn't need sawfish if another WM were installed ? |
| 21:32.01 | yac | i have pekwm |
| 21:32.09 | abrotman | is that a package or selfcompiled ? |
| 21:32.21 | yac | though the debian does not seem to be informed about it, dont know why |
| 21:32.29 | yac | its installed with aptitude |
| 21:32.31 | abrotman | judd: versions pekwm |
| 21:32.32 | judd | abrotman: pekwm -- etch: 0.1.5-1.1 lenny: 0.1.5-1.4 lenny-backports: 0.1.11-1~bpo50+1 sid: 0.1.11-1 squeeze: 0.1.11-1 |
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| 21:32.57 | abrotman | yac: aptitude why sawfish |
| 21:33.10 | yac | when i had problems with wm earlier it did not saw the pek |
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| 21:33.37 | yac | gnome session recomends metacity | sawfish |
| 21:33.39 | yac | but only recomds |
| 21:34.06 | abrotman | if you remove gnome-session and then reinstall it without recommends .. you could get rid of that |
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| 21:35.00 | yac | how do i install without recommends? |
| 21:35.03 | ajavid | I upgraded my sid machine after 6 months last night |
| 21:35.03 | yac | will it ask me? |
| 21:35.09 | ajavid | yac, aptitude -R |
| 21:35.20 | ajavid | kde 4.3 is not THAT bad. |
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| 21:35.36 | abrotman | i wonder if -R is an accetpable optoin for reinstall |
| 21:35.49 | yac | this is interesting too |
| 21:36.00 | yac | i changed my hostname but aptitude now suggest me the old one |
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| 21:36.11 | nsadmin | -R could also mean remove |
| 21:36.20 | ajavid | it only means one thing |
| 21:36.26 | ajavid | --without-recommends. |
| 21:36.28 | yac | i rewrote the /etc/hostname then used hostname binary to actuallize it and several reboots for kernel reasons then |
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| 21:36.34 | abrotman | nsadmin: but it does not |
| 21:36.45 | yac | how come it knows the old hostname O_o |
| 21:37.01 | yac | im losing my faith in debian |
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| 21:37.14 | nsadmin | then run anything else you want |
| 21:37.17 | ajavid | this is not a religion |
| 21:37.20 | nsadmin | or learn what you need to know |
| 21:37.39 | nsadmin | yac: you have choice |
| 21:37.42 | themill | yac: other config files can have the hostname in them as well |
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| 21:38.04 | yac | thats not because the hostname |
| 21:38.17 | yac | i havent made my opinion about that yet |
| 21:38.37 | ajavid | why are we discussing hostname in the context of aptitude -R |
| 21:38.43 | yac | is there a way how to set debian to behave the most minimalistic way possible? |
| 21:38.55 | owen1 | i created chroot directory so i can test ruby 1.9. do i need to create a user or can i just use the home dir? |
| 21:38.57 | themill | yac: wtf do you mean by that? |
| 21:39.01 | ajavid | yac, start from a netboot and add stuff as you like |
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| 21:39.10 | yac | ajavid: its just other thing i come across and did not understood |
| 21:39.22 | yac | themill: dont know |
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| 21:39.37 | nsadmin | yac: each package is set by its maintainer to behave in a specific way |
| 21:39.37 | yac | themill: i was just surprised that it install recommended packages by default |
| 21:39.40 | ajavid | yac, base system + what you desire, turn off suggest/recommends if you want to (if you know wtf to do) |
| 21:39.59 | ajavid | yac, if it is suggested or recommended, more than likely you should leave it alone |
| 21:40.01 | abrotman | yac: you can change that .. most people are happy to have the Recommends installed |
| 21:40.18 | ajavid | yac, it was recommended for a functinality or reason |
| 21:40.33 | yac | ajavid: smells like ubuntu |
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| 21:40.50 | ajavid | well keep asking dumb questions |
| 21:40.59 | ajavid | you're going to be told to leave thigns alone |
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| 21:41.12 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 21:41.13 | nsadmin | yac: seems like you'd prefer something like linux from scratch |
| 21:41.38 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, linux from scratch is not meant to be a desktop OS, it is very hard to maintain once build |
| 21:41.42 | yac | nsadmin: no, i want package system |
| 21:41.45 | Titan8990 | s/build/built |
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| 21:41.54 | yac | anyway thanks for help |
| 21:41.57 | nsadmin | Titan8990: yes, I know |
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| 21:42.07 | cr3rzemjest | how do I use fuseiso as 'non-root' user? i've added myself to 'fuse' group but it doesn't help. |
| 21:42.08 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, yac, distros like gentoo and arch are much better suited for "built from scratch" desktops |
| 21:42.19 | yac | i have gentoo on notebook |
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| 21:42.43 | yac | i dont want compiling distro in desktop/server |
| 21:42.50 | ajavid | I'm so leet I watch screens full of gcc compiles running past me.. makes me feel cool |
| 21:42.53 | ajavid | gentoo ftw! |
| 21:43.02 | yac | that would be crazy |
| 21:43.03 | themill | yac: a "recommended" package is one that usually should be installed in most circumstances but you are able to break that dependency if you choose at the expense of some functionality. See debian policy for more details. |
| 21:43.13 | nsadmin | yac: with any packaged system, you have to get used to what you end up with, and there's a level of commitment to that, at least to have a wait-and-see attitude about it |
| 21:43.17 | Titan8990 | yac, i don't find it crazy |
| 21:43.43 | yac | Titan8990: having non-binary distro on desktop or server? |
| 21:44.09 | yac | nsadmin: ofc |
| 21:44.11 | Titan8990 | yac, yes |
| 21:44.16 | themill | !gentoosmite Titan8990 |
| 21:44.17 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling Titan8990, and when it's all done, Titan8990 runs no faster than previously |
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| 21:44.25 | ajavid | themill, awww I was gonna! |
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| 21:45.19 | nsadmin | yac: so if you know all that, what's your loss of "faith" comment meant to generate? |
| 21:45.19 | yac | themill: i thought that but i am too lazy and timepressured that i wanted to ask first than reading trough tons of docs about debian |
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| 21:45.43 | themill | yac: IRC makes a pretty shitty proxy for google. |
| 21:45.44 | abrotman | you could just leave sawfish installed .. it's not a big package |
| 21:45.45 | yac | nsadmin: i thought debian was more hardcore on this |
| 21:46.00 | yac | themill: sometimes yes, sometimes no |
| 21:46.15 | ajavid | you know |
| 21:46.26 | ajavid | nm. |
| 21:46.38 | sebas891 | "The two basic principles of Windows system administration: For minor problems, reboot ; For major problems, reinstall" |
| 21:46.40 | LemensTS | hey all. Im using debian and checking out my svn project on sourceforge. Im trying to be efficient, i have files in multiple folders across the server that make the svn project, its a pain to copy them over to the svn folder to do svn add and svn commit, whats the best way to do it? i thought about writing a script.... |
| 21:46.58 | ajavid | LemensTS, come again |
| 21:47.01 | sebas891 | from: http://unattended.sourceforge.net/installers.php |
| 21:47.06 | yac | i think that marking packages like sawfish or metacity as recommended which is installed by default is crazy. ppl can choose that kind of things at installation |
| 21:47.20 | nsadmin | yac: there are -a lot- of developers now... which probably explains why there are so many packages when the original situation was debian as a base dist |
| 21:47.23 | ajavid | LemensTS, write a script if you want, but you shouldn't |
| 21:47.35 | ajavid | LemensTS, I'd wait to make sure I want to commit before I commit |
| 21:47.42 | abrotman | yac: you installed gnome-session .. how exactly would you like gnome-session to start without a WM ? |
| 21:47.47 | Titan8990 | alright... so where do i go to petition for removal of gentoosmite bot command? :) |
| 21:47.49 | nsadmin | probably also explains a few contradictions |
| 21:47.53 | LemensTS | ajavid: Is there an easier way to move your changes back to the svn folder to commit them? |
| 21:48.06 | LemensTS | I thought about symbolic links |
| 21:48.08 | ajavid | LemensTS, otoh, you should script if you find yourself doing repetetive tasks |
| 21:48.13 | yac | abrotman: i dont remember, i installed this several years ago back in high school |
| 21:48.19 | ajavid | LemensTS, easier than what? |
| 21:48.30 | Eulex | is there some script or program you can use to break down a big directory into directories based on the first few characters in the filename, and tell it to put at most X files in every directory? |
| 21:48.31 | nsadmin | LemensTS: don't move them out in the first place :) |
| 21:48.40 | yac | then i did a lot of drugs so i have kind of a gap of what i was doing ... :D |
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| 21:48.47 | ajavid | dude |
| 21:49.03 | ajavid | don't fucking use that excuse |
| 21:49.03 | ajavid | thats bullshit |
| 21:49.04 | LemensTS | nsadmin: create symbolic links where i need them from the svn folder? |
| 21:49.04 | Devastator | how to enable squashfs support? |
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| 21:49.04 | yac | i dont |
| 21:49.12 | ajavid | the amount of drugs I've pumped into my system in my early 20s as it is |
| 21:49.25 | yac | im just saying i have a gap there |
| 21:49.31 | nsadmin | LemensTS: wouldn't that have the effect of confusing svn? |
| 21:49.52 | ajavid | I should be clinically retarded, yet here I am providing more support than you could ever dream of, so don't use that as a crutch for your ignorance |
| 21:49.55 | ajavid | or laziness |
| 21:50.12 | ajavid | yac, anyway, you were told how to fix your problem, moving on. Do you have another debian related support question |
| 21:50.25 | LemensTS | nsadmin: not sure, its either that or a script i think...unless svn has a feature to do this |
| 21:50.27 | yac | no, i dont :) |
| 21:50.28 | nsadmin | ajavid: way to blow your own horn :P |
| 21:50.37 | ajavid | nsadmin, nah ma, that shit bugs me. |
| 21:50.38 | owen1 | do i need to create user in my chroot folder? |
| 21:50.39 | ajavid | argh. |
| 21:50.49 | D-Boy` | How to change the keyboard (from english to french) on the session login ? (gnome) |
| 21:51.11 | ajavid | nsadmin, "toot your own horn" is the term I bleieve |
| 21:51.38 | nsadmin | ahh, the One True Term :) |
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| 21:53.02 | LemensTS | exit |
| 21:53.20 | themill | !sunday |
| 21:53.21 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 21:53.26 | themill | *sigh* |
| 21:53.30 | owen1 | when i cd into my chroot folder, how to install packages? with aptitude? |
| 21:53.43 | ajavid | owen1, you don't cd into it, you chroot into it |
| 21:53.53 | ajavid | owen1, man chroot (look into dchroot) |
| 21:54.01 | owen1 | ajavid: thank- |
| 21:54.19 | themill | owen1: did you use debootstrap to create this chroot? |
| 21:54.27 | owen1 | themill: yes |
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| 21:54.59 | nsadmin | if you just use cd and then try to install packages, they get installed into the host system |
| 21:55.06 | nsadmin | not into the chroot |
| 21:55.42 | nsadmin | (assuming, that is, that the host system is debian or debian based) |
| 21:56.10 | owen1 | i assume it's sudo chroot <my_chroot_folder> |
| 21:56.18 | ajavid | owen1, correct |
| 21:56.49 | owen1 | do i need to create an account or can i simply install packages? |
| 21:56.52 | adb | owen1: or us schroot as user |
| 21:56.55 | ajavid | install |
| 21:57.28 | adb | use* |
| 21:57.29 | ajavid | are you following any certian guides? |
| 21:57.48 | ajavid | debian install guide, or something |
| 21:58.00 | owen1 | no, i want to test ruby1.9 on chroot folder. not following guides |
| 21:58.19 | jsubl2 | i have a dvd i am unable to backup with k9copy. I get errror from the dvd but it plays fine when viewing |
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| 21:58.28 | nsadmin | is ruby1.9 available as a package yet? |
| 21:58.41 | ajavid | owen1, debian install guide has the chroot install method in it(debootstrap) |
| 21:58.49 | owen1 | nsadmin: i will install from soure |
| 21:58.52 | owen1 | source |
| 21:58.57 | themill | owen1: debootstrap will have created an /etc/passwd with the minimum necessary users for you inside the chroot. There won't be a non-root user to run things as though. |
| 21:59.06 | nsadmin | so you'll need build-essential |
| 21:59.29 | nsadmin | in the chroot |
| 21:59.30 | themill | judd versions ruby1.9 |
| 21:59.31 | judd | themill: ruby1.9 -- etch: 1.9.0+20060609-1etch4 etch-security: 1.9.0+20060609-1etch5 lenny: 1.9.0.2-9 squeeze: 1.9.0.2-9 lenny-security: 1.9.0.2-9lenny1 sid: 1.9.0.2-9.1 |
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| 22:00.14 | nsadmin | or as themill showed, you can just install the package |
| 22:00.49 | owen1 | ok. i guess i need to install sudo first. |
| 22:01.10 | nsadmin | no, you can also just su |
| 22:01.21 | nsadmin | but either way should be fine |
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| 22:08.11 | ajavid | KTorrent 3.2 RPM |
| 22:08.16 | ajavid | oops |
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| 22:10.06 | ajavid | rpm rpm rpm |
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| 22:13.25 | xorl | So I hosed my courier install (on purpose) not thinking apt-get required the conf directory to remove it and postfix |
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| 22:13.47 | xorl | now, I can't remove them and re-installing them is impossible apt-get --reinstall install courier / postfix is not helping either. |
| 22:14.16 | xorl | I touch files, it fails, because the apps aren't running so it can't remove the app's this is becoming a nightmare from such a simple application removal, any of you got any suggestions? |
| 22:14.37 | xorl | Like backing up the dpkg status removing said package references and directories manually or using purge? |
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| 22:15.20 | xorl | Ok even --purge failed. Wtf |
| 22:15.53 | themill | can you pastebin the actual output of some of these things. |
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| 22:21.28 | xorl | ok manual edit fixed it. |
| 22:21.45 | nsadmin | where's the list of model names acceptable to the module load of intel-hd.ko |
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| 22:23.46 | abrotman | it would be pciids |
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| 22:27.36 | nsadmin | lspci -nn |grep Audio |
| 22:27.42 | nsadmin | EWin |
| 22:29.47 | nsadmin | judd pciid 10de:026c |
| 22:29.48 | judd | nsadmin: [10de:026c] is 'MCP51 High Definition Audio' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:026c |
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| 22:30.30 | nsadmin | nvidiafb? that have anything to do with audio? |
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| 22:33.53 | guysoft42 | hi all, i was here a few hours ago complaining that some 5 month old repo does not compile.. a few hours ago the developer responded to me and merged the tree. that repo has a driver for a DVB device that is not in debian, how would one lobby it to get in to debian? |
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| 22:34.36 | guysoft42 | i could package it, but i would not meet your standards |
| 22:34.47 | themill | nsadmin: the nvidiafb module attempts to talk to all devices made by nvidia. NFC why it does that but check the "alias" line in "modinfo nvidiafb" |
| 22:35.38 | nsadmin | let me see if I have that inserted... coincidentally, I have the same chipset |
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| 22:37.19 | iluminator101 | Hi Guys, I get this error when i try to run jdownloader. http://debian.pastebin.com/d1f6350eb |
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| 22:40.23 | boxxertrumps | neat, there's afrontend for udev rules built into kde4 |
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| 22:45.59 | iluminator101 | k i found the problem and solved it, basically you need to delete config folder and create a new one and start jdownloader using this command java -Xmx512m -jar JDownloader.jar |
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| 22:48.06 | JyZyXEL | how do you see information about ext3 filesystem? |
| 22:48.25 | abrotman | what kind of information ? |
| 22:48.38 | JyZyXEL | like its size for starters |
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| 22:48.42 | JyZyXEL | and if its healthy |
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| 22:49.27 | boxxertrumps | hmm, periodically the screen goes blank on this, and comes back on when i'm touching the mouse |
| 22:51.42 | JyZyXEL | i don't get it how the hell you are supposed to resize ext3 |
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| 22:54.07 | boxxertrumps | might have something to do with the fact that i can only login to kde by using startx, can't from the kdm inferface |
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| 22:55.59 | JyZyXEL | make a 1 GiB partition, mkfs.ext3 to it |
| 22:56.11 | JyZyXEL | and the fucker just stays 1 GiB no matter what i do to it |
| 22:56.46 | acu01 | Thanks God - KDE and GNOME - seem to kick ass big time - I feel for the first time that the Debian Desktop team thought beyond the server - I am just impressed - is like riding a Jaguar - thanks Debian Desktop (well I just few hours with Squeeze but it seem cool) |
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| 22:58.00 | acu01 | how do you make when Alam is squeezed ? |
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| 23:05.12 | ianharper | i need help to get my sound working on my hp dv6 |
| 23:07.26 | jair | guys, I am running lenny on a t61p lenovo thinkpad and looking at the hardware I have the following video card "nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M (rev a1)" I am looking for the drivers in nvidia.com and found some however I am trying to find the current configuration of the video and the "xorg.conf" is completely empty... :( |
| 23:08.03 | ianharper | can anyone help me |
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| 23:08.07 | jair | but still I have video and is working ok, the only thing is that display speed is kind of slow sometimes. |
| 23:08.51 | abrotman | ianharper: we need more details |
| 23:08.53 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 23:08.53 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 23:09.55 | jair | abrotman: how does xorg works on lenny? the xorg file is empty but the video works somehow from somewhere... |
| 23:10.15 | abrotman | that's how it's supposed to work .. it probes your hardware |
| 23:10.36 | jair | yes but what if I want to switch a setting? |
| 23:11.01 | nsadmin | no idea... but if you don't have specific need to go to .30, you have the choice to stay with .29 |
| 23:11.03 | abrotman | then you write your xorg.conf |
| 23:11.15 | abrotman | !xorg config |
| 23:11.15 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often mostly blank but you can feed xorg settings using it still. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout and use "X -configure" as a template for your handwritten xorg.conf. |
| 23:11.19 | jair | I guess since I have an nvidia video card I can contact nvidia and troubleshoot their driver. |
| 23:12.13 | jair | abrotman: thank you for the information |
| 23:14.05 | nsadmin | judd pciid 8086:284b |
| 23:14.06 | judd | nsadmin: [8086:284b] is '82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:284b |
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| 23:15.36 | ianharper | i put all the channles up full an alsa mixer and played the file still nothig, im using amd64. my speakers are on and everything |
| 23:17.19 | tag | Does Debian have net install? |
| 23:17.38 | owen1 | where should i add .bashrc (in chroot)? to /home ? |
| 23:18.19 | ianharper | no im on ubuntu live cause i have to get net deitals first ubutu conects directly |
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| 23:19.56 | nsadmin | tag yes |
| 23:19.58 | owen1 | i am in chroot. where do i add .bashrc? |
| 23:20.12 | owen1 | (i don't have any /home/<user> folders |
| 23:20.39 | nsadmin | a chroot is not a login so I dunno if it would read that,,, but it might |
| 23:21.02 | tag | Thank you nsadmin |
| 23:21.07 | owen1 | nsadmin: i need to add my ruby folder to the $PATH |
| 23:21.42 | nsadmin | owen1: so you decided to build your own ruby rather than install the package of ruby1.9? |
| 23:21.44 | owen1 | usually i do it in /home/<user>/.bashrc |
| 23:21.50 | owen1 | nsadmin: true |
| 23:22.04 | owen1 | i wanted the latest |
| 23:22.50 | JyZyXEL | what should you see when you do cfdisk /dev/md0 |
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| 23:23.03 | JyZyXEL | should there be partitions? |
| 23:23.23 | abrotman | wtf are you going to do with cfdisk ? |
| 23:23.40 | JyZyXEL | nothing |
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| 23:24.20 | owen1 | how to add a folder to the $PATH in chroot? |
| 23:24.24 | ianharper | sorry closed by acident |
| 23:24.32 | JyZyXEL | wouldn't cfdisk /dev/md0 be the same as cfdisk /dev/sda1 |
| 23:24.48 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: if there are partitions, then maybe there should be... but I can't say for sure :) |
| 23:25.52 | ianharper | but still is there any way to fix my sound , running amd64, all channles full on alsa mixer, speakers and volume up top, still no sound, |
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| 23:25.57 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: maybe abrotman thinks badly of cfdisk... ask him to see |
| 23:25.57 | JyZyXEL | what the fuck is /dev/md0 anyways |
| 23:26.06 | JyZyXEL | is it a device or a partition |
| 23:26.21 | nsadmin | probably it's a device |
| 23:26.32 | abrotman | nsadmin: i just asked what he was planning to do .. it's not a play toy |
| 23:26.51 | nsadmin | specifically it's probably a raid array |
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| 23:27.03 | JyZyXEL | well its partition table shows 3TB of unpartitioned space |
| 23:27.13 | JyZyXEL | yet its mounted as 2 TB ext3 partition |
| 23:27.28 | JyZyXEL | so that doesn't make any sense |
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| 23:28.01 | nsadmin | so maybe it's not partitioned, and /dev/md0 is used as the volume to have the ext3 filesystem on |
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| 23:28.31 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 23:28.41 | JyZyXEL | so its like using the whole device |
| 23:28.50 | nsadmin | exactly |
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| 23:29.03 | JyZyXEL | well then its ok |
| 23:29.25 | nsadmin | but before taking my word for that, you should look at introductions to md |
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| 23:31.06 | ianharper | but still is there any way to fix my sound , running amd64, all channles full on alsa mixer, speakers and volume up top, still no sound, |
| 23:31.28 | ianharper | on a hp dv6 |
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| 23:33.30 | jeeves_Moss | is there a way to convert my Ubuntu install to Debian without having to reinstall EVERYTHING again? |
| 23:33.45 | JyZyXEL | shouldn't resize2fs be able to grow even mounted ext3 partition? |
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| 23:34.31 | JyZyXEL | the manual talks about online resizing with 2.6 kernels |
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| 23:38.46 | JyZyXEL | im gonna try what happends if you interrupt it when its resizing :-d |
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| 23:40.45 | EagleScreen | i am going to start using ext4 as a /home partition, i do not what option to set in /etc/fstab |
| 23:41.06 | JyZyXEL | funny, you can even kill -9 the resize process and it won't mind |
| 23:41.16 | EagleScreen | i do not know what to set in /etc/fstab in options, in <dump> and in <pass> |
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| 23:42.23 | crzedmonk | hi anyone here? |
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| 23:42.32 | crzedmonk | I recently switched to debian |
| 23:42.51 | EagleScreen | !ask | crzedmonk |
| 23:42.55 | crzedmonk | I got unrar to pack files and I am running into a problem where it does not creat the avi file |
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| 23:43.37 | EagleScreen | what is the relation between unrar and avi files? |
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| 23:43.55 | crzedmonk | the avi file is what I am trying to unpack |
| 23:45.02 | pingouin | man unrar maybe ? |
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| 23:46.05 | JyZyXEL | EagleScreen: their related thru the warez scene! |
| 23:46.33 | cvxxcvcb | Discuss anything anonymously without registering an account at the only place on the Internet where grammar, spelling and punctuation actually matters: http://www.anontalk.com/ (or https://www.anontalk.com/ for immediate encryption). A definite bookmark for every smart Internet user! This is a public service message; NOT spam. Be sure to keep spreading the word! |
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| 23:47.30 | crzedmonk | manual? |
| 23:47.34 | crzedmonk | how you mean |
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| 23:47.59 | crzedmonk | sorry |
| 23:50.34 | crzedmonk | well whatever |
| 23:50.48 | crzedmonk | I think 7zip is working |
| 23:50.54 | crzedmonk | here is another one |
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| 23:59.09 | imc | hello |
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| 23:59.30 | abrotman | nope |
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| 23:59.43 | adb | heh |
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| 23:59.52 | crzedmonk | woah banned |
| 23:59.55 | imc | i just installed debian amd64 5.0.2 to my girlfriend's laptop (after an HORRIBLE experience with kubuntu)... now she's away and asks me how to play .flv files.... |
| 23:59.57 | crzedmonk | hee |
