| 00:00.13 | LRN | I'm looking for a daemon that would stay connected to IMAP server and would download any incoming messages and place them into local maildir. |
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| 00:00.37 | nsadmin | LRN: look into fetchmail |
| 00:00.56 | LRN | nsadmin, what about getmail? |
| 00:00.57 | nsadmin | on the local side it feeds the incoming mail thru your MTA |
| 00:00.57 | abrotman | probably need procmail too ? |
| 00:01.36 | nsadmin | dunno getmail :) |
| 00:01.56 | deco_ | is it safe to use debian testing as desktop ? |
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| 00:02.07 | btnz | sry to keep annoying you with the virtualization part, but at least for upfront testing i hardly see a way around it |
| 00:02.11 | nsadmin | disavows any knowledge of its actions. good luck peter graves. |
| 00:02.14 | Titan8990 | does IMAP even allow messages to be downloaded? |
| 00:02.22 | straw | nsadmin: I usally take ATTRS{serial}=="blabla" for matching |
| 00:02.30 | daedhel | abrotman, thanks man, it works |
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| 00:02.56 | btnz | virtualBox should do the job basically, anything against it? |
| 00:03.03 | nsadmin | straw: which would be unique across pretty much all cards, I take it? |
| 00:03.15 | straw | yup |
| 00:04.00 | nsadmin | so that would mean I'd need a way to get ATTRS{serial} for each card |
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| 00:04.18 | nsadmin | to figure out what to put after the == |
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| 00:07.54 | abrotman | daedhel: enjoy! |
| 00:08.12 | straw | nsadmin: udevadm info -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0 |
| 00:11.00 | straw | (You won't find a serial there, I used that for USB devices. But you find enough other options there and you can combine them) |
| 00:11.04 | straw | -> http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 00:20.37 | deco_ | is debian testing considered a rolling release ? |
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| 00:21.01 | markybob | deco_, it's not a release. period. |
| 00:21.08 | stew | deco_: sure, i guess. it does get frozen for months at a time though (in order to prepare for a new stable) |
| 00:21.12 | stew | markybob: sure it is |
| 00:21.20 | stew | markybob: at least debian considers it a release |
| 00:21.49 | deco_ | stew: oh ok so i really won't have to download a new iso right ? |
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| 00:22.14 | deco_ | after each stable relase i mean |
| 00:22.36 | campassi | nah |
| 00:22.36 | stew | deco_: it would be recommended to use a stable iso, even to install testing in that case |
| 00:22.40 | campassi | just run a dist-upgrade |
| 00:22.43 | stew | deco_: a new testing iso is released every day |
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| 00:23.26 | deco_ | stew: oh ok so a dist upgrade will upgrade me to testing right ? kde4 etc.. |
| 00:23.47 | deco_ | i'm really new at this , im a slackware user |
| 00:23.49 | stew | deco_: what do you mean by "dist upgrade"? |
| 00:24.09 | stew | deco_: if you installed debian, you should always be able to upgrade to a newer release |
| 00:24.19 | deco_ | stew: the command dist-upgrade |
| 00:24.53 | deco_ | stew: so should i just cancel my testing iso download and just download stable ? |
| 00:25.12 | stew | deco_: we'd recommend using aptitude not apt-get which has "safe-upgrade" and "full-upgrade" instead of upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 00:25.23 | stew | deco_: the testint installer MIGHT work but it also could be broken on any given day |
| 00:27.41 | Panko | I'm trying to install Debian 5.02 from a CD and I can't find the correct driver for my ethernet card. |
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| 00:28.05 | abrotman | Panko: didn't we do this the other night ? |
| 00:28.20 | Panko | No, we went over which version of Debian I should be installing. |
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| 00:28.36 | Panko | I ended up falling asleep before I solved this problem. |
| 00:28.39 | Deepy | I'm in the installation, is there any ifconfig somewhere? |
| 00:29.05 | Panko | I need the ath9k driver. |
| 00:29.44 | Panko | I put it on a flash drive but I can't seem to get Debian to find it when I ask it to load the missing drivers from removable media. |
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| 00:30.56 | Panko | Any ideas on what I can do to get the drivers on the laptop? |
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| 00:32.04 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:32.49 | digifor | I am getting fuzzy icons in debian lenny. What may be the cause. |
| 00:32.52 | digifor | ? |
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| 00:33.05 | AcidBurn123 | what are the names of the bots here |
| 00:33.06 | AcidBurn123 | ? |
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| 00:33.29 | campassi | !bots |
| 00:33.30 | dpkg | All your bots are belong to us, or #debian-bots, or dpkg (<dpkgbot>), apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, debhelper, <judd>. Are we not men? If you prick us, do we not bleed? Err... oil anyway. <magic smoke> |
| 00:34.28 | AcidBurn123 | !books |
| 00:34.28 | dpkg | For documentation and books on Debian, see http://www.debian.org/docs and http://www.debian.org/doc/books . Also ask me about <grounding>. |
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| 00:34.50 | ultraj6 | !ebooks |
| 00:35.06 | abrotman | leave the bots alone |
| 00:35.11 | dmoerner | please message the bots using a query |
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| 00:36.44 | HellMind | who want to see my init script ? |
| 00:37.02 | markybob | me! can i please? pretty please?!?! let me see your script!! |
| 00:37.13 | markybob | jesus man. |
| 00:37.41 | abrotman | gets markybob a tissue |
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| 00:39.00 | digifor | I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but the icons are still fuzzy ...missing pixels |
| 00:39.06 | digifor | sort of striped |
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| 00:39.29 | HellMind | http://pastebin.com/m13bab642 |
| 00:39.32 | HellMind | here is my script |
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| 00:51.39 | LRN | nsadmin, i've got fetchmail up and running (at least in debug mode). It delivered my mail to localhost:25 . As far as i understand, there is exim4 running by default. Would it take a guru debian master to configure exim4 properly to do what i want it to do (drop mail into a particular maildir), or i should uninstall it and use some other MTA (MDA?)? |
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| 00:52.18 | abrotman | !procmail |
| 00:52.18 | dpkg | well, procmail is the ultimate way to process your incoming mail into folders, feed it to external programs, and so on. Ask me about <procmail tutorial> and see the procmailrc and procmailex man pages. http://www.procmail.org/ #procmail on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:52.59 | nsadmin | LRN: have procmail be exim's MDA then look into procmail in its capacity to do what you want |
| 00:53.37 | nsadmin | and exim doesn't matter, you can get procmail working in it, or other MTAs too |
| 00:54.18 | nsadmin | once procmail is processing your mail, it should read ~you/.procmailrc |
| 00:55.25 | LRN | I have procmail, but i think it's not configured. |
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| 00:55.45 | nsadmin | is it set up as an MDA for exim? |
| 00:55.51 | LRN | dunno |
| 00:56.00 | LRN | Where's exim config? |
| 00:56.26 | nsadmin | somewhere off /etc :) |
| 00:56.53 | nsadmin | ok, help a little more: maybe /etc/exim4/? |
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| 00:57.15 | nsadmin | wild unedificated guess |
| 00:57.25 | LRN | i have /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 00:57.28 | LRN | must be it :) |
| 00:58.04 | nsadmin | look at /usr/share/doc/exim4/* |
| 00:58.39 | nsadmin | it's not hard, just somewhat detailed |
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| 01:00.09 | nsadmin | there should be an easy way to get procmail to be exim's mda, perhaps using dpkg-reconfigure <one of them> |
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| 01:00.41 | nsadmin | if that doesn't work or is not applicable try using dpkg-reconfigure <the other one> |
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| 01:01.50 | nsadmin | if those fail, you'll have to dig a little deeper into exim's config |
| 01:02.05 | nsadmin | but there's another way, that's relevent for a single plain user... |
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| 01:02.41 | nsadmin | you should be able to make a .forward file in the user's home dir that forwards each mail to procmail |
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| 01:03.44 | nsadmin | so you now have two approaches... 1, configure your MTA to use procmail as an MDA... 2, make sure your MTA lets you .forward, then forward all your email thru a pipe to procmail |
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| 01:03.45 | Otto_Ravasco | +e |
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| 01:04.42 | nsadmin | once you've accomplished one or the other... |
| 01:05.36 | nsadmin | OR, if you want to feed the mail to procmail in some other way (research will reveal more ways)... |
| 01:05.52 | nsadmin | you can write ~you/.procmailrc |
| 01:06.23 | nsadmin | which is relevent to one particular user per value of "you" |
| 01:07.51 | nsadmin | there is more you can research as well, perhaps you want all users to have a maildir by default... which implies you'll be using a global procmailrc... you'll have to find out if and how that's possible |
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| 01:09.27 | nsadmin | other than all that... |
| 01:09.34 | nsadmin | there's a LOT you can do with procmail. look into it |
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| 01:15.09 | pl4yer0ne | FYI postfix has its own scripting stuff built in, which makes procmail not needed for most tasks |
| 01:16.25 | abrotman | but he's using exim |
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| 01:16.48 | Deepa | Which makes postfix's scripts not needed for most tasks |
| 01:16.50 | Deepa | ;-) |
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| 01:17.09 | nsadmin | so he now has a whole new range of choices |
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| 01:17.33 | pl4yer0ne | thats why it was an FYI |
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| 01:18.21 | lewis__ | please I was running debootstrap and got an error: E: Internal error: install |
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| 01:18.57 | Entmoot | hi folks |
| 01:18.58 | raboof | is the BTS in version control somewhere? |
| 01:19.09 | Entmoot | why dont the .torrents on ISOs work? |
| 01:19.43 | nsadmin | lewis__: I woulnd't be available to help on this one... but I can tell you that whoever does will need a lot more specifics... just so you know :) |
| 01:20.21 | abrotman | raboof: the code for the site? yes |
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| 01:21.22 | raboof | abrotman: where? :) |
| 01:21.34 | lewis__ | it is the command: cdebootstrap-static --allow-unauthenticated --flavour minimal --include=ifupdown,dropbear,udev,procps,netbase,vim-tiny,module-init-tools,wget,openssh-client --exclude=hello sid /mnt/debian http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian |
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| 01:22.31 | abrotman | raboof: i saw it somewhere the other day |
| 01:22.37 | lewis__ | the last 3 lines: P: Unpacking package lsb-base |
| 01:22.37 | lewis__ | P: Unpacking package login |
| 01:22.37 | lewis__ | E: Internal error: install |
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| 01:22.55 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Debbugs |
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| 01:23.24 | raboof | are links like 'DebPkg:src:debbugs' on the wiki supposed to work? |
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| 01:24.36 | Kuifje111 | hello all. I am wondering how long does debian keep it's logs which are or were initially located in /var/log, or are that the only logs? |
| 01:24.54 | abrotman | Kuifje111: it's something that you can configure |
| 01:24.56 | raboof | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:25.14 | Kuifje111 | abrotman: what is it by default? and how do you configure it? |
| 01:25.52 | abrotman | /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d/* and /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
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| 01:27.27 | Kuifje111 | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 01:32.42 | pingouin | what is best when it comes to encryption ? truecrypt or dm-crypt ? |
| 01:32.58 | unomystEz_ | how can I upgrade from postgresql 8.3 to 8.4 say? |
| 01:33.06 | abrotman | in what? |
| 01:33.07 | unomystEz_ | i don't want to lose my data |
| 01:33.21 | abrotman | pingouin: truecrypt isn't in debian if that matters |
| 01:33.37 | unomystEz_ | they are different pkg names, so im not sure if apt can handle it |
| 01:33.51 | abrotman | it will install them together ? |
| 01:33.59 | unomystEz_ | not sure |
| 01:34.00 | unomystEz_ | i hope not |
| 01:34.01 | unomystEz_ | lol |
| 01:34.14 | nsadmin | unomystEz_: use pg_dump to make a plain ascii dump of your database, then read that dump im |
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| 01:34.28 | unomystEz_ | so pg_dump, deinstall 8.3, install 8.4 then pg_restore? |
| 01:34.43 | nsadmin | watch out, 8.3 got rid of some automatic casting |
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| 01:34.52 | pingouin | abrotman: ok, so i go for dm-crypt |
| 01:34.56 | unomystEz_ | you mean 8.4? |
| 01:34.59 | pingouin | stay debian way |
| 01:35.20 | nsadmin | maybe it is 8.4 :) |
| 01:35.24 | nsadmin | maybe it's both |
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| 01:36.29 | pingouin | unomystEz_: you have backup for sure ;) |
| 01:36.32 | abrotman | you can have them both installed at the same time .. there is a db_upgradecluster command or something like that to migrate your data IIRC |
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| 01:36.42 | unomystEz_ | so deinstalling postgresql will deldete the pg_data directory? |
| 01:36.45 | unomystEz_ | or leave it intact? |
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| 01:37.36 | unomystEz_ | anyway |
| 01:37.39 | unomystEz_ | i'll cross my fingers |
| 01:37.44 | unomystEz_ | i trust debian |
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| 01:37.46 | unomystEz_ | and you guys |
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| 01:38.03 | pingouin | without database backup ? |
| 01:38.08 | pingouin | trust no one ;) |
| 01:38.11 | unomystEz_ | wtf... am i crazy? |
| 01:38.17 | pingouin | yeah |
| 01:38.17 | ajavid | yes |
| 01:38.27 | unomystEz_ | i may be crazy, but im not rittarded |
| 01:38.35 | pingouin | :) |
| 01:38.43 | pingouin | we dont know you ;) |
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| 01:38.48 | nsadmin | isn't either... I'm top dead center! |
| 01:39.48 | nsadmin | unomystEz_: let me just ask this question... how much do you care about your data? |
| 01:40.13 | unomystEz_ | a bit more than a hooker from thailand |
| 01:40.37 | nsadmin | unomystEz_: let me just ask this question... how much does a hooker from thailand care about your data? |
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| 01:41.14 | unomystEz_ | probably wouldn't understand what it is |
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| 01:41.51 | pppoe_dude | how can i talk to debhelper to get which version of a package is in latest debian? |
| 01:41.54 | linXea | safety first.. bang a hooker in thailand... double condoms and a layer of tiger-balm inbetween.. =) That's being cautious. |
| 01:41.54 | nsadmin | if he did, he probably wouldn't be a hooker :) |
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| 01:42.13 | Deepa_ | linXea: you think they do that just for data? |
| 01:42.15 | unomystEz_ | well, saran wrap helps too |
| 01:42.26 | nsadmin | and do not EVER get tiger balm in your eyes |
| 01:42.28 | unomystEz_ | tiger balm burns |
| 01:42.32 | unomystEz_ | BURNS |
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| 01:42.53 | linXea | unomystEz_: And then you'll hear when the outer-one breaks ;9 |
| 01:43.40 | unomystEz_ | so, what just `apt-get remove postgresql-8.3 && apt-get install postgresql-8.4` ? |
| 01:43.44 | unomystEz_ | im relatively new to debian |
| 01:43.47 | unomystEz_ | (2 weeks) |
| 01:43.50 | nsadmin | oh hell no |
| 01:44.04 | nsadmin | if you remove that first, you lose your data. |
| 01:44.10 | unomystEz_ | i backed it up |
| 01:44.27 | nsadmin | by using pg_dump? |
| 01:44.34 | unomystEz_ | http://dpaste.com/81943/ |
| 01:44.36 | unomystEz_ | yes |
| 01:44.55 | unomystEz_ | i get that error when trying to install postgresql-8.4 |
| 01:45.07 | nsadmin | start with apt-get install postgresql-8.4 |
| 01:45.18 | nsadmin | don't remove the old one until you're sure |
| 01:45.27 | nsadmin | and by the way, why are you upgrading? |
| 01:45.36 | unomystEz_ | please don't ask =) |
| 01:45.40 | unomystEz_ | i just need to. |
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| 01:46.33 | unomystEz_ | well that dpaste is what i get when i try to install postgresql-8.4 |
| 01:46.33 | nsadmin | as long as you're not doing it because the version number of the new one has never been seen by the old one |
| 01:46.42 | unomystEz_ | heh |
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| 01:46.49 | unomystEz_ | are you in #postgresql too? |
| 01:47.03 | abrotman | hye's upgrading for no good reason ? |
| 01:47.05 | nsadmin | no |
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| 01:47.16 | unomystEz_ | sight... |
| 01:47.17 | Deepa_ | abrotman: it's always good to upgrade :]? |
| 01:47.19 | unomystEz_ | s/t// |
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| 01:47.23 | nsadmin | abrotman: unknown reason |
| 01:47.29 | unomystEz_ | ok..... |
| 01:47.35 | unomystEz_ | i restored 8.3 |
| 01:47.35 | pingouin | it's a good reason |
| 01:47.48 | unomystEz_ | i will force the other developers to use 8.3 then |
| 01:47.50 | Deepa_ | It's probaly like me and Tcl, my version of Tcl worked fine '94, why wouldn't it work now? |
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| 01:47.52 | lumond | where is the official debian chat channel? |
| 01:47.59 | Deepa_ | OFTC |
| 01:48.06 | pingouin | :) |
| 01:48.07 | nsadmin | unomystEz_: excellent... if you didn't know how to restore before, you do now |
| 01:48.13 | pppoe_dude | hello |
| 01:48.18 | unomystEz_ | yup |
| 01:48.24 | nsadmin | cello |
| 01:48.30 | pppoe_dude | do you think 4.6GB is sufficient for a typical debian5 installation? |
| 01:48.44 | pppoe_dude | for the root filesystem |
| 01:49.10 | nsadmin | depends on what you use it for |
| 01:49.10 | Deepa_ | my typical installations of all operating systems fit nicely on 4GB |
| 01:49.10 | markybob | pppoe_dude, assuming /home is nearly empty |
| 01:49.10 | lumond | is this the official debian chat channel? |
| 01:49.13 | Deepa_ | lumond: no as I said, the official one is at oftc |
| 01:49.15 | markybob | lumond, is this oftc? no |
| 01:49.21 | pingouin | lumond: /topic |
| 01:49.31 | lumond | Deepa_: wtf is oftc? |
| 01:49.36 | Deepa_ | It's an IRC network |
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| 01:49.41 | markybob | !oftc |
| 01:49.42 | markybob | cock |
| 01:49.43 | nsadmin | lumond: why do you ask |
| 01:49.43 | dpkg | from memory, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode> and <fact sharing>. |
| 01:49.44 | Deepa_ | wtf are you wtfing for? Have you no manners? |
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| 01:50.03 | pingouin | heh |
| 01:50.10 | nsadmin | Deepa_: you need the stronger form wtff |
| 01:50.13 | pppoe_dude | markybob: yes it's mostly empty |
| 01:50.25 | pppoe_dude | i just wanna test it to see if i wana switch over |
| 01:50.29 | Deepa_ | nsadmin: wtff are people wtfing about? have they no manners :'(? |
| 01:50.29 | lumond | stfu and gfy. bye. |
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| 01:50.45 | Deepa_ | First it was just wtfs and wtffs now it's stfus and gfys and byes |
| 01:50.49 | pppoe_dude | wtf is gfy |
| 01:50.50 | pingouin | there no live cd debian ? |
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| 01:50.59 | pingouin | to test live instead install ? |
| 01:51.06 | nsadmin | that one is fairly obvious |
| 01:51.12 | pingouin | if hd space matter |
| 01:51.15 | pppoe_dude | pingouin: well that would be nice, but i also wanna test it when fully installed |
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| 01:51.25 | pppoe_dude | ohhhh gfy... |
| 01:51.28 | Deepa_ | pppoe_dude: go forth you! |
| 01:51.34 | markybob | pingouin, http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 01:51.40 | pppoe_dude | i was thinking along the lines of "get the f y... wha?" |
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| 01:51.49 | nsadmin | or in forth... forth go you . |
| 01:52.00 | pppoe_dude | may the fourth be with you |
| 01:52.14 | pingouin | http://www.internetslang.com/ |
| 01:52.23 | Deepa_ | pingouin: spoilsport |
| 01:52.31 | nsadmin | yodaspeek is a form of what forth is a form of too |
| 01:52.51 | pppoe_dude | thpoilthport |
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| 01:53.21 | pingouin | Deepa_: WTFAYTA ? |
| 01:53.29 | pingouin | ;) |
| 01:53.40 | Deepa_ | WTFFAJITA is something I hear very often |
| 01:53.47 | pppoe_dude | wtfayta is funny |
| 01:53.55 | pppoe_dude | Fayta duudee. |
| 01:54.05 | pppoe_dude | Deepa_: lol |
| 01:54.06 | Deepa_ | Well fajita is often wtfed at |
| 01:54.18 | pppoe_dude | fajita as in the food? |
| 01:54.24 | pppoe_dude | wtburrito |
| 01:54.25 | Deepa_ | You guys can keep your fayta, I'll keep fajita |
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| 01:54.32 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:54.32 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 01:54.39 | nsadmin | wtflyingfart? |
| 01:54.45 | pppoe_dude | hi abrotman |
| 01:55.03 | Deepa_ | I remember a guy who thought the "d" in httpd etc stood for Debian |
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| 01:55.32 | pppoe_dude | does debian5 support ext4? |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | it has ext4_dev .. so it's not the final ext4 i guess |
| 01:56.07 | btnz | is the space pope an insect? |
| 01:56.08 | nsadmin | pppoe_dude: the kernel may or may not |
| 01:56.30 | pppoe_dude | i don't really know what the deal is with ext4 though. i should probably read up on that |
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| 01:57.14 | pppoe_dude | well... i'm about to blindly install debian 5 - not sure if it supports any of my hardware, but i don't think anything that bad can happen |
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| 01:57.50 | nsadmin | sendq excited? |
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| 01:57.55 | nsadmin | wtff?! |
| 01:58.16 | nsadmin | pppoe_dude: do you have data on it you care about? |
| 01:58.29 | pppoe_dude | of course |
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| 01:58.33 | pppoe_dude | but i won't touch that partition anyway |
| 01:58.36 | nsadmin | you do... hmm. |
| 01:58.44 | nsadmin | well good plan... |
| 01:58.51 | Archaeopteryx | Hi, I want to reconfigure/remove/add my network interfaces. Any good instructions around? |
| 01:58.52 | pppoe_dude | it's just a matter of whether i will temporarily lock myself out of my computer without internet |
| 01:59.18 | pppoe_dude | 08:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 |
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| 01:59.20 | nsadmin | so you only have the one machine you can irc on? |
| 01:59.28 | nsadmin | what os is installed on it now? |
| 01:59.30 | pppoe_dude | nsadmin: correct |
| 01:59.35 | pppoe_dude | nsadmin: ubuntu |
| 01:59.51 | nsadmin | then you can debootstrap onto a chroot |
| 01:59.52 | Drakeson | why .pdf is associated with gimp instead of evince, and how can I fix that? |
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| 02:00.14 | pppoe_dude | i'm just gonna dual boot i think - worst case i'll just have to fiddle with grub |
| 02:00.17 | abrotman | in gnome? |
| 02:00.20 | Drakeson | (I call xdg-open on a .pdf file and gimp opens it) |
| 02:00.35 | Drakeson | I am using gnome |
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| 02:00.42 | pppoe_dude | Drakeson: maybe update-alternatives? |
| 02:00.49 | abrotman | Drakeson: you can right click on a PDF and choose to Open With or osmething like that |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | maybe it's in the Properties |
| 02:01.36 | nsadmin | pppoe_dude: then you can carve some unpartitioned space out, mount it on a place where you debootstrap onto it, after which you can chroot into it to set it up if needed, including its boot |
| 02:01.46 | nsadmin | or you can... |
| 02:02.14 | nsadmin | carve some unpartitioned space out and use the debian installer to install onto it |
| 02:02.21 | pppoe_dude | yeah |
| 02:02.22 | Drakeson | abrotman: there are a bunch of other anomalities in this regard. I guess gimp is screwing with something but I am not sure I understand mime handling in xdg-*. |
| 02:02.34 | pppoe_dude | well, we'll see how it goes |
| 02:02.37 | pppoe_dude | i'm gonna do that now |
| 02:02.44 | pppoe_dude | if i'm not back, avenge me. |
| 02:02.51 | rgr | anyone know which file in the login sequence starts gpg-agent and generative the env file ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent-info* ? It's not a session. And its not in .bashrc,.xsession or .gnomerc. |
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| 02:04.22 | Drakeson | abrotman: I want to find out the offending package, and file a bug report. but I am not sure where to look for xdg's mime handling config files. |
| 02:04.26 | abrotman | Drakeson: if you go to properties .. you can choose open with .. |
| 02:05.50 | Drakeson | abrotman: sure. but that solves the problem in a per-user basis (every user has to fix their mime-handling on their own?) |
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| 02:06.18 | rgr | Gah. /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent. totally obliterating most of the howtos out there:-( |
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| 02:06.57 | rgr | Also making gpg-agent caching dependant on running X. |
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| 02:07.28 | simonrvn | rgr: check out keychain |
| 02:07.33 | Archaeopteryx | nsadmin: I am looking to return my network interfaces back to normal before I had configured a bridge and all that stuff. Any simple ways of doing this? |
| 02:07.37 | abrotman | Drakeson: maybve the mime stuff |
| 02:07.41 | Drakeson | do you know where (which conf files) does xdg-open get its mime->application associations? |
| 02:08.10 | rgr | simonrvn: what about it? I need GPG_INFO_AGENT env in this case (emacs EPA libraries). |
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| 02:08.51 | abrotman | Drakeson: i'd guess the /etc/mime-magic and friends |
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| 02:09.29 | Drakeson | no, that's not what xdg-* tools use. |
| 02:09.43 | Drakeson | I don't even have /etc/mime-magic |
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| 02:10.35 | abrotman | do you have gnome-mime-data installed ? |
| 02:11.03 | simonrvn | rgr: it can start up gpg-agent and set up the env. for you on login |
| 02:11.06 | Drakeson | yes, gnome-mime-data version 2.18.0-1 |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | oh .. jeez . that file is from 2004 .. |
| 02:11.25 | abrotman | maybe mime.types ? |
| 02:11.35 | lewis__ | O: dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 02:11.35 | lewis__ | O: malloc failed (2013243866 bytes): Cannot allocate memory |
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| 02:11.39 | lewis__ | O: dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 02:11.39 | lewis__ | O: malloc failed (2013243866 bytes): Cannot allocate memory |
| 02:12.00 | abrotman | out of RAM ? |
| 02:12.23 | Archaeopteryx | What steps do I take to revert my network interfaces back to the default configuration? |
| 02:12.24 | pav5088 | Hi... I'm looking at some new Debian/Ubuntu packages someone has made for SOGo (Scalable OpenGroupware). The sogod daemon runs as user sogo, and I can see the package has created a user directory under /home . I am no package maintainer, but this looks wrong to me. Where should the daemon users home dir go? |
| 02:12.26 | abrotman | wishes file formats were smarter ..and didn't require things like looking at 0x990\foo to figure it out |
| 02:12.44 | abrotman | pav5088: debian is not ubuntu .. pacakges for one may not work on the other |
| 02:12.47 | Drakeson | abrotman: no, I guess that associates file-extension -> mime-type. |
| 02:13.05 | markybob | ...debian/ubuntu...that's funny |
| 02:13.18 | markybob | oh, my side. |
| 02:13.30 | pav5088 | abrotman : Apparently they're trying to make these work on both Lenny and Jackelope |
| 02:13.41 | markybob | i'm trying to end world hunger |
| 02:13.48 | abrotman | pav5088: and which are you working on ? |
| 02:14.01 | markybob | oh, and racism. fuck racism |
| 02:14.06 | pav5088 | abrotman, they asked for Lenny testers, and that's what I'm using. |
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| 02:14.17 | btnz | k, scanning my ports with nmap doesnt quite return me the values i'd expect: if i look up my wan ip and scan the port i used to connect to irc it returns me |
| 02:14.19 | btnz | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 02:14.19 | btnz | 6670/tcp closed irc |
| 02:15.24 | Drakeson | abrotman: btw, it seems mime-magic has moved to /usr/share/mime/magic |
| 02:15.24 | Titan8990 | btnz, thats not how it works... you would need the port forwarded and you would need a daemon listening on the port |
| 02:15.24 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.25 | abrotman | pav5088: what is the home-dir for www-data ? |
| 02:15.30 | Titan8990 | btnz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation |
| 02:15.42 | rgr | simonrvn: this is gnome-keyring-manager you refer to? |
| 02:15.54 | simonrvn | rgr: no |
| 02:16.08 | simonrvn | "keychain", like i said before |
| 02:16.15 | btnz | Titan8990 thx, /me read |
| 02:16.43 | simonrvn | judd: versions keychain |
| 02:16.44 | judd | simonrvn: keychain -- etch: 2.6.6-1 lenny: 2.6.8-2 sid: 2.6.8-2 squeeze: 2.6.8-2 |
| 02:16.59 | Titan8990 | btnz, i just had a quick look at it, might not be the best article for a starter so you may want to google it |
| 02:17.33 | rgr | simonrvn: looks good as inherits any existing gpg-agent by the look o fit. |
| 02:17.37 | pav5088 | abrotman, OK, looking at passwd it seems like daemon users live in /var ? |
| 02:17.53 | abrotman | pav5088: seems like they live somewhere related to their package |
| 02:17.59 | simonrvn | you'd be assuming wrongly |
| 02:18.20 | simonrvn | oh, it can yeh, but it does set it up |
| 02:19.01 | rgr | I just ran it and it absorber the previous instance. Do you use it? Must I run it myself or has the install linked it in to startup? |
| 02:19.02 | deco_ | im going to install kde4.2 on my debian stable, is it safe to leae kde3 installed ? |
| 02:19.09 | deco_ | leave* |
| 02:19.46 | Drakeson | how can I find which installed package a certain file belongs to? |
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| 02:19.53 | abrotman | deco_: they probably can't co-exist |
| 02:19.59 | markybob | Drakeson, apt-file search |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | Drakeson: dpkg -S or apt-file |
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| 02:20.02 | simonrvn | rgr: yup, have for years |
| 02:20.14 | btnz | Titan8990 what i actually wanted to do is find ports that i can use from behind the router to run the sshd on.. but i guess the problem is that i have to set the router to point incoming connections toward the port the service's running on? |
| 02:20.20 | simonrvn | rgr: i just set it up in my ~/.zlogin |
| 02:20.22 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 02:20.22 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
| 02:20.23 | deco_ | abrotman: so kde3 will be automatically deleted ? or should i remove it before |
| 02:20.23 | rgr | how do you statr it? .xsession? .bash_login? |
| 02:20.30 | rgr | thanks! |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | deco_: i'd hope so |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | takatumi: jeez hi! |
| 02:20.43 | takatumi | abrotman: howdy? |
| 02:20.47 | rgr | it will remove the x specifics I think. |
| 02:20.49 | Titan8990 | btnz, yes |
| 02:21.10 | btnz | Titan8990 oh f*ck :\ that's no good news |
| 02:21.25 | Titan8990 | btnz, http://portforward.com/ |
| 02:22.19 | btnz | Titan8990 but thanks again for not getting tired of answering.. btw doesnt anyone in here have to get up tomorrow? or are u simply in a different timezone?! |
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| 02:23.16 | markybob | btnz, we're cyborg. we do not sleep |
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| 02:23.50 | Titan8990 | btnz, sleep is lame |
| 02:23.54 | btnz | markybob obviously. how could i forget, sry |
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| 02:24.26 | btnz | Titan8990 kk, another point to work on.. well, getting there |
| 02:24.33 | abrotman | btnz: there are always people here .. different timezones .. different people |
| 02:25.06 | markybob | abrotman, resistance is futile :P |
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| 02:26.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was accused of living in several timezones at once, though |
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| 02:26.15 | cdseethee | !debian-cd |
| 02:26.15 | dpkg | well, debian-cd is at http://cvs.debian.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/debian-boot/debian-cd/ |
| 02:26.35 | btnz | abrotman it just looks like *some* ppl are here pretty much anytime i happen to come around... but just cause i'm curious, here it's 4:26 now, you cant tell me that none of you is in the same region..! |
| 02:26.50 | cdseethee | that link is down and there was another wonderful doc about debian-cd which i can't find now |
| 02:27.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !debian cd |
| 02:27.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian cd is http://cdimage.debian.org/, or ask me about <jigdo> |
| 02:27.22 | abrotman | btnz: uhm .. i wouldn't say that .. i think someone just here was from Turkey |
| 02:27.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that one? |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | someone tha twas speaking |
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| 02:28.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | reminds me of that science fiction "estern standard tribe" |
| 02:28.39 | btnz | assuming that i do not have the credentials for the router i'm behind right now setting port forwarding would be pretty hard i guess? |
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| 02:28.57 | Titan8990 | btnz, yes |
| 02:29.22 | btnz | and reseting it wouldnt be too good of an idea neither cause i'd have to enter some provider specific data? |
| 02:29.32 | LRN | nsadmin, thanks for your advices. I've got the thing working :) |
| 02:29.42 | _empty | Hello, how do I check what resolution my computer uses? Cant remmember the command, but executed it in a terminal |
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| 02:29.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | btnz, not unlikely |
| 02:29.49 | Titan8990 | btnz, shouldn't be anything wrong with resetting it |
| 02:30.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends what he means with "reset" |
| 02:30.01 | Titan8990 | btnz, unless the router is provided by an ISP |
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| 02:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thin he's talking of resetting it to factory settings... |
| 02:30.27 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, i know, usually resets to how you bought it.... |
| 02:30.30 | deco_ | i just installed debian stable but my apt-get source list is empty what do i have to add here ? |
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| 02:31.02 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, only DSL routers would require you put back in a password for pppoe |
| 02:31.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, didn't DSL need at least some username (possibly + password) for you to connect, thogh? |
| 02:31.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | exactly |
| 02:31.21 | adb | _empty: xrandr |
| 02:31.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | so might be a Bad Idea(TM) |
| 02:31.24 | cdseethee | CutMeOwnThroat: i was in search of a doc about the internals of debian cd.. it looked like debian-cd doc but can't see that now.. |
| 02:31.47 | _empty | adb: Thanks |
| 02:31.50 | takatumi | cdseethee: what info are you after? |
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| 02:32.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course the question arises what business he's got to mess with a router when he don't know the user/pass :) |
| 02:32.12 | adb | dpkg: tell deco_ -about sources |
| 02:32.14 | btnz | CutMeOwnThroat, Titan8990: as a matter of fact it seems to be like that (ISP provided) as it has 'freebox' written on it |
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| 02:32.21 | cdseethee | takatumi: a documentation about building debian-cd |
| 02:32.39 | btnz | well that sounds shadier than it actually is, thanks |
| 02:32.40 | _empty | Is there any solution to change "something" becouse I cant see the whole window of programs, like settings/Mouse, I cant klick ok to activate changes.. just an example.. |
| 02:32.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 02:33.03 | Evet | wanna provide his server resources to a free project |
| 02:33.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/don't/doesn't/ |
| 02:33.31 | adb | _empty: use X -configure , and see |
| 02:33.34 | btnz | and yes, what i was talking about was reseting to factory settings in order to get access to the control panel |
| 02:33.54 | Drakeson | feels like crap. aptitude changelog gnome-mime-data reveals that gnome's mime types in debian haven't been updated for two years. |
| 02:33.58 | btnz | i dont guess the default password is used on this one |
| 02:33.59 | _empty | adb: To see what? The notebook uses full resolution according to xrandr |
| 02:34.14 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 02:34.14 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . Also ask me about <kmuto>. |
| 02:34.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Drakeson, that's nearly no time at all! |
| 02:34.31 | abrotman | deco_: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 02:34.34 | takatumi | cdseethee: tried this? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD/ |
| 02:35.20 | btnz | but factory defaults would also delete the ISP specific entries that you usually have to put for an adsl connection (dont you?) |
| 02:35.41 | adb | _empty: add new Modes "1024x768" to xorg.conf , see examples on google |
| 02:36.08 | Drakeson | it is not even in experimental. gnome version is about 2.26, that file dates back to 2.18. There is no mention of evince (the pdf viewer) in there. |
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| 02:36.40 | _empty | Will it work? Says it supports only 1024x600 |
| 02:36.41 | ctmjr | btnz: after you reset and the owner try's to gain access with his user name and password and cannot what then? |
| 02:37.17 | btnz | on the other hand i just see that the owner of the flat i'm at right now left the ISP's contract information letter on the desk.. |
| 02:37.30 | adb | _empty: that may be 1024x800 .. |
| 02:38.12 | btnz | ctmjr that is exactly what keeps me from doing that, apart from the fact that i might have myself ending up having to stay in a place without internet for the next 2 weeks |
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| 02:38.41 | cdseethee | takatumi: actually the one i saw before wasn't on moinmoin and it was more like a comprehensive manual than a tutorial.. may be i can do it with those.. but that doc seemed pretty attractive |
| 02:39.36 | abrotman | !tell cdseethee about custom netinst |
| 02:40.53 | takatumi | cdseethee: you might find this easier - http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD/Howto |
| 02:40.59 | Dominicus | Ok, here's my periodic rant about how flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.7 uses WAY too much CPU (as reported by top, up to 185% for two logical processors). Who do I talk to about that to find out what the issue is, or to help with testing? |
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| 02:41.26 | _empty | adb: Will continue to work on this tomorrow, thanks for the help |
| 02:41.31 | markybob | Dominicus, that's not a bug. that's just how flash is. bitch at adobe.com |
| 02:41.59 | markybob | Dominicus, it even does that on windows |
| 02:43.08 | Dominicus | markybob: Is bitching at Adobe the proper thing to do? And, it is horrifically worse on linux. I've NEVER experienced that kind of CPU utilization in Windows XP Professional SP3. |
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| 02:43.35 | markybob | Dominicus, yeah? or do you just not always have task manager running ? |
| 02:44.06 | markybob | Dominicus, and yes, bitching at adobe is your only help. it's utterly closed and nothing we could do could help |
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| 02:45.28 | Dominicus | markybob: I used to look at my task manager a lot, and the only loads I ever experienced was with opening so many tabs in firefox that it used something approaching 2 gigs of memory. The memory was more a performance bottleneck, than flash was at cpu utilization. |
| 02:45.32 | lewis__ | O: dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 02:45.32 | lewis__ | O: malloc failed (2013243866 bytes): Cannot allocate memory |
| 02:45.45 | lewis__ | O: dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 02:45.45 | lewis__ | O: malloc failed (2013243866 bytes): Cannot allocate memory |
| 02:45.57 | abrotman | lewis__: i told you before |
| 02:45.58 | lewis__ | sorry |
| 02:46.01 | abrotman | and stop pasting |
| 02:46.18 | abrotman | Dominicus: it is a closed binary application from Adobe .. not much we can do about it |
| 02:46.25 | markybob | Dominicus, it uses gpa acceleration...if your driver/card on linux doesnt support 3d, you pay for it in cpu |
| 02:46.30 | abrotman | Dominicus: which version of flash is it though? maybe a newer one might help ? |
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| 02:47.13 | tech | I think this is happening with the newer Flash versions, too |
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| 02:47.28 | markybob | tech, you would be right. |
| 02:47.43 | cdseethee | abrotman: takatumi: sure those does the job.. still i missed that vanished beauty;-) it was something like an html doc and wasn't on moinmoin.. may be i'll reach it as i read through those docs... |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | cdseethee: you could also ask #debian-boot on oftc |
| 02:48.19 | cdseethee | sure will join there in a moment.. |
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| 02:49.00 | tech | Actually, I'm kind of hoping HTML 5 takes off. Getting rather sick of Flash |
| 02:49.12 | tech | and swfdec isn't cutting it for some stuff |
| 02:49.19 | pppoe_dude | alright. so my wired network works, but not my wireless. according to google, i may need to enable backports to get my intel 5100 wifi working |
| 02:49.40 | markybob | tech, html5 is kind of pointless since now the video tag doesnt specify a codec |
| 02:49.56 | Dominicus | abrotman: I've never felt so much of a PITA to need to complain about a package before. So, I didin't know what the proper channels were, or if there was some way to debug what the flash binary was tapping into in terms of the dependencies (if any) that it needs. I just purged and installed 1:2.7 (comes up as 10.0 r32 in iceweasel addons). I'm running an Nvidia GeForce 7800 that I can successfully use with Compiz (but, I don't run |
| 02:50.00 | tech | yeah, I know. But a man can dream, right? |
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| 02:50.36 | markybob | Dominicus, welcome to linux |
| 02:50.46 | abrotman | Dominicus: that's the newest flash AFAIK .. it might just be the page you were viewing .. some flash is totally messed up |
| 02:51.11 | pppoe_dude | im gonna try that |
| 02:51.33 | tech | pppoe_dude: Doesn't Intel actually put out open-source drivers for their wireless setups? |
| 02:51.51 | pppoe_dude | tech, i am unsure. |
| 02:51.57 | pppoe_dude | are you saying i should not trust google? |
| 02:52.00 | pppoe_dude | ^_^ |
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| 02:52.06 | tech | not saying that at all |
| 02:52.13 | tech | but I know for a fact that they do |
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| 02:52.55 | tech | my last notebook used the IPW2200 drivers, which I got directly from their site |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | tech: some of them .. most of the newer ones have firmware |
| 02:53.04 | btnz | okay, reading a bit about NAT gives a lot more sense to quite a number of things now.. |
| 02:53.20 | tech | abrotman: ah, I see now |
| 02:53.27 | pppoe_dude | im gonna gollow this http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 02:53.41 | pppoe_dude | s/gollow/follow/\ |
| 02:53.53 | pppoe_dude | minus last backslash |
| 02:53.57 | cdseethee | markybob: is that some kind of news? that html5 don't specify codec? |
| 02:54.09 | Dominicus | abrotman: It's true that some flash videos play kind of rough. I also read something about the made a technology change that would require newer videos to be create using the latest tech for better performance or whatever. But, this is just a CPU utilization thing in general. it's pretty basty that I can have one youtube page open (which typically perform better than some other video pages from other sites), and still get the 115%+ |
| 02:54.12 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, tech, yes i need firmware |
| 02:54.31 | tech | well, I guess it was worth a try |
| 02:54.31 | pppoe_dude | i feel a little dirty installing a kernel from backports |
| 02:54.33 | markybob | cdseethee, yes, it's recent |
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| 02:54.54 | pppoe_dude | i hope i didn't offend the folks at backports |
| 02:54.55 | cdseethee | markybob: link? |
| 02:55.20 | tech | cdseethee: I remember that controversy re:HTML 5. Seems no one couls agree on a codec to use |
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| 02:55.26 | markybob | cdseethee, http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-318208.html |
| 02:55.28 | tech | *could |
| 02:55.59 | J-_ | pppoe_dude: Making any progression? :) |
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| 02:56.08 | pppoe_dude | J-_, yes |
| 02:56.12 | pppoe_dude | i'm on wired network now |
| 02:56.16 | J-_ | Nice |
| 02:56.21 | tech | It's a shame, though. As much as we need it, I still think Flash needs to die |
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| 02:56.32 | pppoe_dude | downloading kernel 2.6.30 and installing firmware |
| 02:56.46 | pppoe_dude | i might end up compiling a kernel though |
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| 02:57.00 | pppoe_dude | i remember it was quite easy on ubuntu |
| 02:57.05 | tech | pppoe_dude: I say compile your kernel anyway |
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| 02:57.23 | pppoe_dude | tech, yeah i will probably end up doing that, but not sure how that interferes with firmware/modiles |
| 02:57.25 | pppoe_dude | modules* |
| 02:57.31 | tech | When I did, I noticed such a huge improvement in performance |
| 02:57.48 | tech | but I may have been a special case |
| 02:57.52 | markybob | cdseethee, anything else? :) |
| 02:58.06 | pppoe_dude | ah |
| 02:58.12 | pppoe_dude | well, i need to reboot into new kernel, brb |
| 02:58.31 | cdseethee | markybob: anyway still html5 is better than flash na?:) |
| 02:58.50 | tech | cdseethee: agreed, +1000 |
| 02:59.02 | markybob | cdseethee, without a standard codec, flash will still be more well supported than html 5 video. so no...flash wins. |
| 02:59.28 | tech | well, that codec issue is the one thing standing in the way |
| 02:59.41 | markybob | you say that like it's a minor annoyance |
| 02:59.45 | markybob | codec is everything |
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| 03:00.12 | tech | not a minor annoyance; just that it's the one thing standing in the way of all this |
| 03:00.43 | markybob | it's *the* thing. html 5 video is worthless and pointless without universal codec support |
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| 03:00.57 | tech | most of major browsers already support the HTML 5 <video> tag |
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| 03:01.09 | tech | IE8 being the exception (of course) |
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| 03:01.15 | abrotman | tech: that's not the point .. there's no spec .. anyone can do whatever they want |
| 03:01.28 | cdseethee | hmm.. i thought it from the point of view of blogger than that of the viewer.. in the case of flash, even one who want to give it in ogg have to use flash.. now those who want ogg can use that but really a down side on the other side that if its containing some propreitaryc codec that you can't see it too. |
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| 03:02.05 | markybob | abrotman, thank you. |
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| 03:02.34 | tech | cdseethee: well, ogg is also based on two or three yr old tech |
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| 03:02.49 | markybob | tech, that's irrelevant |
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| 03:02.58 | abrotman | markybob: ? |
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| 03:03.58 | tech | I'm addressing quality issues. There's better performing codecs out there. I'd figure that they'd want something a little more up to date |
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| 03:04.06 | pppoe_dude | i'm wondering if there's a bug with the network dialog? |
| 03:04.15 | tech | if they could agree on it, that it |
| 03:04.20 | tech | *is |
| 03:04.31 | pppoe_dude | it seems like anything i do there doesn't apply, i have to manually do things to activate even my wired connection... like dhclient eth0 |
| 03:04.44 | abrotman | tech: however .. it'd be ideal to endorse/specify a free codec |
| 03:05.04 | cdseethee | pppoe_dude: yeah me too just had a bad time with network dialog.. |
| 03:05.08 | tech | OTOH, I cannot argue with that |
| 03:05.25 | pppoe_dude | i just installed network manager for gnome though, maybe that will solve the problem |
| 03:05.53 | cdseethee | i had to re iterate the ifconfig iwconfig iwlist and that crappy physical on/off button say 4-5 times to get it working |
| 03:06.19 | chetan | can anyone help me understand why eclipse-platform depends on openjdk-jre in unstable? |
| 03:06.43 | abrotman | because it wants java to run ? |
| 03:06.46 | markybob | chetan, because eclipse depends on java? |
| 03:07.03 | tech | eclipse==java based platform |
| 03:07.08 | daedhel | pppoe_dude, wicd is nice also |
| 03:07.18 | daedhel | hm |
| 03:07.26 | chetan | no. it depends on default-jre for that |
| 03:07.33 | cdseethee | i have no password set, so will this do to get it working? i did ifconfig wlan0 <ip>; iwconfig wlan0 essid <my essid>;ifconfig wlan0 up but that doesn't do it. |
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| 03:07.52 | chetan | i.e, it doesn't need to explicitly depend on openjdk-jre in addition |
| 03:08.20 | cdseethee | will come back after food.. |
| 03:08.22 | tech | you're saying that it's asking for that? |
| 03:08.32 | cdseethee | thanks and see ya |
| 03:08.40 | tech | if that's the case then you're right - that doesn't make sense |
| 03:09.14 | chetan | yes. i see it in the dependencies list at http://packages.debian.org/sid/eclipse-platform |
| 03:10.03 | tech | ??? |
| 03:10.13 | tech | That's odd |
| 03:10.34 | chetan | there is a changelog entry about this at http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/e/eclipse/eclipse_3.4.1-1/changelog#versionversion3.4.1-0ubuntu2 , but i can't find more info |
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| 03:10.43 | pppoe_dude | problem solved! |
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| 03:11.00 | tech | pppoe_dude: what did you do? |
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| 03:11.17 | pppoe_dude | i forgot who was having a problem also? perhaps installing network-manager-gnome might solve your problem |
| 03:11.34 | pppoe_dude | tech, just installed network-manager-gnome! |
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| 03:11.39 | tech | Glad to hear it |
| 03:11.52 | tech | wicd seems to be working quite well for me |
| 03:12.21 | pppoe_dude | my OCD is bugging me though |
| 03:12.42 | tech | LOL, I often have the same problem |
| 03:12.49 | nsadmin | openly compact disk? |
| 03:12.49 | pppoe_dude | does backports often affect stability? |
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| 03:13.08 | pppoe_dude | nsadmin, mostly just the thought of not having a "pure" system or whatnot |
| 03:13.09 | tech | in some cases, yes |
| 03:13.27 | pppoe_dude | but that's coming from someone who's been using ubuntu for the last few years. |
| 03:13.57 | pppoe_dude | anyway, i think lenny's a keeper. |
| 03:14.17 | J-_ | Congrats |
| 03:14.18 | J-_ | :) |
| 03:14.22 | ajavid | backports have never ime affected celebrity |
| 03:14.25 | ajavid | er.. |
| 03:14.26 | ajavid | stability |
| 03:14.31 | ajavid | wtf.. brainfart |
| 03:14.38 | J-_ | toot! :P |
| 03:14.38 | tech | pppoe_dude: I agree. But I'm also having major fun with Squeeze right now |
| 03:14.47 | pppoe_dude | J-_, :) |
| 03:14.54 | pppoe_dude | tech, what's squeeze? |
| 03:15.07 | tech | the current Debian Testing |
| 03:15.11 | pppoe_dude | ahh |
| 03:15.25 | nsadmin | ajavid:so it's affected your mental gaseousness :) |
| 03:15.33 | ajavid | lol |
| 03:15.35 | pppoe_dude | i dunno, i might miss some things from jaunty, but i think overall the speed and slickness of lenny will overpower jaunty |
| 03:15.46 | ajavid | lol, celebrity |
| 03:15.50 | ajavid | omg. |
| 03:16.02 | pppoe_dude | ajavid, lol |
| 03:16.10 | J-_ | I should install lenny as well |
| 03:16.37 | pppoe_dude | J-_, yeah dude |
| 03:16.43 | ajavid | lenny just works |
| 03:16.48 | tech | pppoe_dude: I got off the Ubuntu upgrade-every-six-months treadmill because I use this machine at work as well |
| 03:16.51 | pppoe_dude | it's pretty slick. I mean, all i had to do was update the kernel and add some firmware |
| 03:16.55 | pppoe_dude | everytthing else works OOTB |
| 03:16.59 | tech | I needed stabiliy over bleeding-edge |
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| 03:17.02 | J-_ | nice |
| 03:17.05 | pppoe_dude | tech, yeah |
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| 03:17.16 | pppoe_dude | i mean, i'll probably install karmic when it comes out, but only to try it out |
| 03:17.18 | J-_ | I like bleeding-edge though, or something in between. |
| 03:17.20 | pppoe_dude | i'm dual booting now. |
| 03:17.43 | tech | "Something in between". Yeah, That's what Testing is for ;) |
| 03:17.56 | J-_ | :D |
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| 03:18.15 | pppoe_dude | man,,, the fonts are nicer in lenny |
| 03:18.17 | nsadmin | there's nothing more bloody than experimental... |
| 03:18.21 | pppoe_dude | i bet they're not the same as ubuntu |
| 03:18.31 | ajavid | nsadmin, there is |
| 03:18.44 | ajavid | nsadmin, upstream source |
| 03:18.48 | J-_ | no, not at all. I tried testing. But things went a bit wonky and so fourth. |
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| 03:18.55 | ajavid | nsadmin, nightlies |
| 03:19.07 | nsadmin | to the point bleeding -edge- doesn't describe it as much as bleeding surface |
| 03:19.12 | J-_ | But, it was probably because my chipset |
| 03:19.13 | tech | pppoe_dude: speaking of fonts, I have an admission to make: I was repairing a neighbor's Vista machine (ugh!) and became a big fan of Candara |
| 03:19.23 | pppoe_dude | tech, never heard of it |
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| 03:19.33 | pppoe_dude | i'm a big fan of minimalistic fonts |
| 03:19.41 | J-_ | Check out droid fonts |
| 03:19.58 | tech | Candara is a font introduced in Vista. About the only thing in that OS worth anything |
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| 03:20.08 | J-_ | nice |
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| 03:20.36 | criacuervo | hello |
| 03:20.40 | pppoe_dude | now to figure out whether i want to use gmail or not |
| 03:20.45 | criacuervo | everybody |
| 03:20.45 | pppoe_dude | i wish yahoo mail had imap |
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| 03:20.54 | J-_ | goes to the Spielberg series shoot that's up the street from me. I want to see if they need any extras. |
| 03:20.57 | criacuervo | i just install debian |
| 03:20.59 | J-_ | or help |
| 03:21.00 | tech | you could use vfe-mail |
| 03:21.04 | criacuervo | is real great |
| 03:21.07 | criacuervo | man |
| 03:21.12 | criacuervo | i love it |
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| 03:21.16 | pppoe_dude | tech, what's that? |
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| 03:21.21 | criacuervo | there is the thing |
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| 03:21.33 | criacuervo | im trying to install frostwire |
| 03:21.37 | pppoe_dude | !enter |
| 03:21.37 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 03:21.40 | tech | pppoe_dude: another account with virus scanning |
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| 03:21.44 | criacuervo | but i cant |
| 03:21.45 | tech | and encryption |
| 03:21.49 | criacuervo | i need the jre |
| 03:21.58 | pppoe_dude | tech, nice. i need something with imap |
| 03:22.06 | criacuervo | somebody can help with the jre thing |
| 03:22.13 | tech | pppoe_dude: vfe mail uses IMAP |
| 03:22.23 | criacuervo | i try on java i it makes no sense tome |
| 03:22.27 | pppoe_dude | how much space do you get? |
| 03:22.42 | tech | not sure of the top of my head |
| 03:22.47 | pppoe_dude | ok i will check it out thanks! |
| 03:22.55 | tech | np |
| 03:22.55 | craigevil | criacuervo: aptitude install sun-java6-jre |
| 03:22.57 | mark7 | I have a local (fast) Debian mirror at my local ISP, but it is partial, and lacks the sources. Do any apt gurus out there know of a way to use the local repository only for the portions of the mirror that are present on the local repo and otherwise fall back to the official repos? |
| 03:23.00 | pppoe_dude | google is nearly perfect, except for the creep factor |
| 03:23.31 | tech | but don't count out Gmail too quickly. One thing I've always liked about them is their RUTHLESS spam filtering |
| 03:23.36 | criacuervo | ok, |
| 03:23.36 | criacuervo | thx |
| 03:23.43 | criacuervo | thx craigevil |
| 03:23.49 | pppoe_dude | tech, i love gmail |
| 03:23.55 | nsadmin | the enter key is not a substitute for ________________ |
| 03:23.58 | pppoe_dude | but i don't know if my paranoia can handle it |
| 03:24.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | oooh, fill-in texts |
| 03:24.25 | nsadmin | cmon now, be nice to other conversations :) |
| 03:24.30 | tech | pppoe_dude: if you're looking to satisfying your paranoia then I have the PERFECT email provider for you |
| 03:24.41 | tech | ever try Safe-mail? |
| 03:24.59 | tech | security out the wazoo |
| 03:24.59 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: itz uh tezst! |
| 03:25.06 | pppoe_dude | tech, no. though my paranoia is mainly rooted in how google knows everything about me |
| 03:25.12 | pppoe_dude | i guess i have nothing more to lose |
| 03:25.13 | pppoe_dude | lol |
| 03:25.32 | tech | heh, I have the perfect foil vs Google |
| 03:25.52 | tech | every time you use their SE they keep this cookie on you |
| 03:26.05 | criacuervo | craigevil, it did not work! |
| 03:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, interpunctation? |
| 03:26.15 | tech | so, there's a record of every single search you've ever initiated on Google |
| 03:26.31 | pppoe_dude | tech, yeah i know |
| 03:26.37 | craigevil | criacuervo: make sure you have contrib non-free in your sources.list |
| 03:26.43 | nsadmin | haz b333n int3rpunked! |
| 03:26.43 | pppoe_dude | i mean - it's a little scary but i try not to think about it |
| 03:26.44 | tech | pppoe_dude: that cookie can be reset with a simple javascript bookmark |
| 03:26.53 | markybob | tech, not every for ever. if you have history tracking disabled, it's only 90 days |
| 03:26.59 | criacuervo | ok |
| 03:27.05 | craigevil | the Customize Google extension for Firefox randomizes the searches and te cookies |
| 03:27.09 | pppoe_dude | markybob, yeah but what about the real logs they keep behind doors? |
| 03:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, äöü :-P |
| 03:27.25 | tech | markbob: okay, thx. Didn't know that |
| 03:27.36 | craigevil | or you can just use scroogle |
| 03:27.58 | pppoe_dude | i can always use GPG if i'm really paranoid |
| 03:28.07 | pppoe_dude | to send something i only want the intended recipient to see |
| 03:28.09 | tech | I cobbled together a js bookmark which zeroes out that cookie every time |
| 03:28.10 | nsadmin | isn't that like a search engine for christmas stories? |
| 03:28.25 | tech | LOL nsadmin |
| 03:28.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, close... very close |
| 03:28.33 | pppoe_dude | is semi-euphoric. |
| 03:28.52 | pppoe_dude | it's funny how little things amuse me. Things like installing debian. Or buying school supplies |
| 03:29.04 | tech | LOL |
| 03:29.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | pppoe_dude, google-gpg? |
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| 03:29.35 | craigevil | nsadmin: no its searches using google but without the google tracking> https://ssl.scroogle.org/ |
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| 03:29.46 | pppoe_dude | CutMeOwnThroat, what's that? |
| 03:29.57 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 03:30.03 | nsadmin | very nice |
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| 03:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | but its page layout sucks... there's a greasemonkey script to re-googlify the page-design, though |
| 03:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | which also gives you google-cache and coralcache links |
| 03:30.46 | pppoe_dude | i guess this question gets annoying, but what's the best way to install flash? |
| 03:30.57 | nsadmin | what do they cache? |
| 03:30.59 | zinx | pppoe_dude: the package |
| 03:31.02 | pppoe_dude | other than "not to install it" |
| 03:31.07 | zinx | pppoe_dude: or, yeah, that |
| 03:31.11 | pppoe_dude | zinx, ah |
| 03:31.19 | tech | pppoe_dude: download the tar.gz package |
| 03:31.32 | zinx | no :/ |
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| 03:31.38 | tech | when you untar it, simply copy to .so file to your plugins directory |
| 03:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !adobe flash |
| 03:31.40 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:31.53 | zinx | install the package, possibly run update-flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:32.06 | pppoe_dude | i have amd64 |
| 03:32.07 | zinx | (though i think it may do that automatically when you first install) |
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| 03:32.15 | pppoe_dude | ;( |
| 03:32.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | should also be in dmm now |
| 03:32.20 | zinx | pppoe_dude: me too. it works. it worked even before Adobe released a 64-bit version. |
| 03:32.22 | tech | ah, I see |
| 03:32.43 | pppoe_dude | zinx, ok, so which package? flashplayer-mozilla? |
| 03:32.48 | zinx | i do run sid though, so using the flashplugin-nonfree one |
| 03:32.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | pppoe_dude, see the factoid from dpkg up there? |
| 03:33.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the flash64beta thing is outdated by now... lets see |
| 03:33.30 | pppoe_dude | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah that package is not showing up here |
| 03:33.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | pppoe_dude, do you have dmm in your sources.list? |
| 03:33.55 | pppoe_dude | but flashplugin-nonfree shows up |
| 03:34.02 | tech | pppoe_dude: have things improved, software-wise, on the 64-bit front? I've been thinking of getting a 64-bit machine for a while now but always had an issue with the availability of native software |
| 03:34.04 | pppoe_dude | maybe i should install that. CutMeOwnThroat, what's dmm? |
| 03:34.06 | craigevil | pppoe_dude: flashplugin-nonfree has both a i386 and 64bit |
| 03:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions flashplayer-mozilla --architecture amd64 |
| 03:34.16 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards |
| 03:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | pppoe_dude, did you READ the factoid from dpkg up ther? "flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>"? |
| 03:34.55 | pppoe_dude | CutMeOwnThroat, ah forgot to read the last part |
| 03:35.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't want to be pissy about it ... but careful examination unearthes useful facts |
| 03:36.08 | Tramp | factoids probably should not exceed the length of an SMS |
| 03:36.12 | pppoe_dude | sweet got it. |
| 03:36.20 | pppoe_dude | Tramp, i'd say so too |
| 03:36.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions flashplayer-mozilla --arch amd64 |
| 03:36.33 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: flashplayer-mozilla -- etch-multimedia: 1:9.0.152.0-0.0 squeeze-multimedia: 2:10.0.22.87-0.0 lenny-multimedia: 2:10.0.32.18-0.0 sid-multimedia: 2:10.0.32.18-0.0 |
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| 03:37.04 | tech | damn, connection's starting to crap out on me again. I hate Time Warner sometimes |
| 03:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, why oh why do you accept --arch but shun --architecture! |
| 03:37.06 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: Error: "why" is not a valid command. |
| 03:37.07 | tech | brb |
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| 03:39.53 | fephisto | Hi all. |
| 03:40.20 | pppoe_dude | so what does everyone use for jabber here? i feel like trying a new jabber client |
| 03:41.31 | markybob | pppoe_dude, probably 50% of people in here use jabber. gtalk is jabber. and? |
| 03:41.50 | pppoe_dude | client i meant. pidgin? |
| 03:42.06 | pppoe_dude | probably most common |
| 03:42.10 | markybob | yes, i use pidgin at work. what's your question? |
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| 03:42.23 | pppoe_dude | markybob, that was my question |
| 03:42.28 | pppoe_dude | what do you use |
| 03:42.29 | markybob | :P |
| 03:42.29 | pppoe_dude | :) |
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| 03:42.55 | craigevil | irssi+bitlbee :) , gives me irc+aol/yahoo/msn/gtalk |
| 03:43.02 | markybob | pppoe_dude, then for the record, wheaton eye clinic, the largest privately owned medical clinic in the US, uses pidgin and jabber :P |
| 03:43.17 | pppoe_dude | nice |
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| 03:43.40 | markybob | and touch ipods...but i dont like admitting to that bit |
| 03:43.46 | pppoe_dude | lol |
| 03:43.58 | pppoe_dude | has a nokia qwerty phone |
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| 03:44.22 | markybob | pppoe_dude, i have an android myself |
| 03:44.30 | pppoe_dude | i wanted andriod. |
| 03:44.49 | pppoe_dude | not enough money though - the only ones that appealed to me were htc dream |
| 03:44.53 | pppoe_dude | and... another one i can't remember |
| 03:45.20 | markybob | pppoe_dude, i have the mytouch 3g. i still dont understand why it's only $200 |
| 03:45.28 | nsadmin | markybob do you work at wheaton? |
| 03:45.35 | markybob | nsadmin, yes |
| 03:45.42 | pppoe_dude | markybob, nice, ill check that on eout |
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| 03:45.57 | nsadmin | I guessed when you said the thing about not liking to admit about the ipod |
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| 03:46.22 | markybob | nsadmin, no workplace is perfect :) |
| 03:46.34 | deface | im trying to remove postgresql, why does it try to start the daemon .. wtf |
| 03:46.37 | pppoe_dude | hmm.. it seems like flashplayer-mozilla still aint' doing the trick |
| 03:46.58 | d1b | b/win10 |
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| 03:47.05 | nsadmin | well that placed a personal relation of some sort between yourself and wheaton... I guessed a work relation :) |
| 03:47.10 | pppoe_dude | oh silly me |
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| 03:47.35 | pppoe_dude | i have a certain loyalty to my workplace |
| 03:47.46 | pppoe_dude | probably coz i've been there for a long time, but i still don't know if it's good or bad |
| 03:48.01 | nsadmin | the loyalty or the place? |
| 03:48.06 | pppoe_dude | loyalty |
| 03:48.50 | pppoe_dude | my mind is a very complicated thing |
| 03:49.00 | nsadmin | that's going to depend on what you do |
| 03:49.17 | pppoe_dude | nsadmin, i'm a supervisor at the moment. It's in an academic setting |
| 03:49.42 | pppoe_dude | i think that's why i feel loyalty |
| 03:49.49 | nsadmin | did you take classes there as well? |
| 03:49.56 | pppoe_dude | yeah i work on campus |
| 03:49.59 | nsadmin | that would definitely account for that |
| 03:50.48 | nsadmin | if you had a good/great experience going to school there, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion I'd say |
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| 03:52.15 | pppoe_dude | i see |
| 03:52.26 | nsadmin | would you agree? |
| 03:52.28 | pppoe_dude | i still don't make that much money though |
| 03:52.34 | pppoe_dude | but yes, i would agree it would have a lot to do with it |
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| 03:53.07 | pppoe_dude | man, i'm loving lenny at the moment |
| 03:53.16 | nsadmin | tmi!! |
| 03:53.19 | pppoe_dude | absolutely no complaints |
| 03:53.24 | pppoe_dude | nsadmin, :P |
| 03:53.59 | pppoe_dude | and all my favourite programs are recent versions. it's like a revelation. |
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| 03:54.48 | nsadmin | someone once said he loved potato... that was REALLY tmi! |
| 03:54.58 | pppoe_dude | or, as if the developers knew what i wanted |
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| 04:02.04 | pppoe_dude | is there a cpu throttling/scaling daemon installed by default in lenny? |
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| 04:03.32 | owen1 | where can i read about the parameters for ./configure ? |
| 04:03.44 | stew | owen1: in ./configure --help |
| 04:03.50 | owen1 | thanks |
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| 04:05.10 | bonez46 | I am running vbox on linux, as the host, and win xp pro as the guest machine.. I have a parallel attached laserjet connected to linux, and have it shared, but win xp can see the machine name, for linux but not the printer shared on it..WHY? |
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| 04:09.16 | pppoe_dude | hmm. |
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| 04:13.32 | pppoe_dude | maybe my problems will be solved if i install a new kernel |
| 04:13.38 | pppoe_dude | i mean... compile my own |
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| 04:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | why compile? |
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| 04:17.50 | arcalyth | do you think debian will have fglrx 9.5 in the repos again? everything worked great with that one, btu then the repo got updated and it made me remove fglrx-glx-ia32 and now I get a black screen when I play wow |
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| 04:23.02 | unomystEz | how would I go about installing mercurial 1.3.1 from unstable/devel/mercurial? |
| 04:23.03 | unomystEz | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/mercurial |
| 04:23.13 | unomystEz | it seems my apt-get will only install 1.0.1 |
| 04:23.51 | unomystEz | ok that's resolved now |
| 04:23.57 | unomystEz | I have this on my server now: abort: outstanding uncommitted merges |
| 04:24.00 | unomystEz | when trying to do hg up |
| 04:24.15 | unomystEz | tried hg merge |
| 04:24.16 | unomystEz | hg revert |
| 04:24.19 | unomystEz | etc.. |
| 04:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions mercurial |
| 04:25.42 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: mercurial -- etch: 0.9.1-1+etch1 etch-backports: 1.0.1-5.1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.0.1-5.1 sid: 1.3.1-1 squeeze: 1.3.1-1 |
| 04:26.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssb |
| 04:26.01 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 04:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | generally like this if you need a version from testing/unstable in stable |
| 04:26.42 | unomystEz | ok this is wierd now |
| 04:26.45 | unomystEz | i did hg up -C 11 |
| 04:26.53 | unomystEz | and now parent is 11 on the server and 10 on the client |
| 04:26.57 | unomystEz | but with the same has |
| 04:26.59 | unomystEz | hash* |
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| 04:27.46 | unomystEz | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
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| 04:29.11 | eshaase | i re-installed a system and now sshing into the machine prompts for a password when it didn't before, I checked out the system's ~/.ssh and all seems well, how do i troubleshoot this problem? |
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| 04:29.54 | sanmarcos | I just installed my wireless card, how do I set it up to join my WPA2 network, from the console? |
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| 04:36.42 | racecar56 | why isn't vdpau working with the nvidia drivers from debian repos :\ (using mplayer) |
| 04:37.42 | meglo | I've been trying to get sound working through a variety of ways. My card is a Creative Sound Blaster 2, chipset CA0106. It is detected, modules loaded, and some mixer settings available. Applications can seemingly play but no sounds is available. Last things I've done with my debian lenny was go for module-assistant and alsaconf, but here is the situation now: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=dfb4874675c490a542e64c7fffe47f12820d95a9 |
| 04:37.44 | criacuervo | thx |
| 04:37.49 | criacuervo | i did it |
| 04:37.55 | meglo | I was wondering if there is any debian specific things I should look into regarding sound. |
| 04:37.57 | criacuervo | i install frostwire |
| 04:38.01 | criacuervo | thx |
| 04:38.02 | meglo | Thing seem to work, I just can't get audio. |
| 04:38.17 | criacuervo | debian is the best |
| 04:38.26 | racecar56 | criacuervo: yes it is :D |
| 04:38.28 | meglo | speaker-test/aplay etc |
| 04:38.38 | racecar56 | criacuervo: i used to use ubuntu, debian is much less bloaty |
| 04:38.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | eshaase, ssh -v -v -v -v <host> or so |
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| 04:39.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 04:39.59 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 04:40.10 | sanmarcos | do wireless cards need to have WPA support in hardware? |
| 04:40.17 | sanmarcos | or can software just run on top of it? |
| 04:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | racecar56, sounds like you've been through most of this |
| 04:40.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might check if you missed something from the checklist, though |
| 04:41.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 04:41.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | meglo, ^^ |
| 04:41.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | now how did I mix those two nicks up... |
| 04:41.48 | meglo | CutMeOwnThroat, a while back yes. |
| 04:42.02 | meglo | groups(1) shows me to be in audio |
| 04:42.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | still sounds like mixer to me |
| 04:42.18 | meglo | did everything in alsamixer, but no PCM available, doesn't look like there are enough mixers |
| 04:42.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | or "speakers on?" :) |
| 04:42.26 | meglo | It shows my Card name but not the chipset |
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| 04:42.48 | meglo | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, I've also tried using speaker-test while plugging into different ports(because some time ago on BSD things were switched around, but that was OSS) |
| 04:42.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no pcm? |
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| 04:43.13 | pppoe_dude | when configuring the kernel, if it says (M) that means that the module will load if required, correct? |
| 04:43.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps the driver recognizes the mic, but not the output device... |
| 04:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | try a newer kernel? |
| 04:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, only that the module will be built... kernel config knows nothing about udev etc. |
| 04:44.05 | meglo | CutMeOwnThroat, I could backport a newer kernel possibly, I did use module assistant to compile a newer ALSA |
| 04:44.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | you still didn't answer WHY you want to build a kernel |
| 04:44.20 | meglo | oops |
| 04:44.23 | meglo | sorry i'm dizzy |
| 04:44.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | meglo, no need, there's quite recent ones in the backports repository |
| 04:44.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 04:45.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, compiling a new one with m-a should do |
| 04:45.05 | racecar56 | is satisfied with 2.6.30 from sid |
| 04:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 04:45.15 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14117); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-5~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 04:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
| 04:45.33 | meglo | yeah |
| 04:45.37 | meglo | that is what i'm installing |
| 04:45.47 | meglo | maybe I should drop down to text console with aptitude instead |
| 04:45.56 | meglo | nah, i'll risk it |
| 04:45.59 | racecar56 | i like to test my sound with cat /some/file > /dev/dsp |
| 04:46.11 | racecar56 | very.... noisy.... |
| 04:47.04 | meglo | alsa seems to place mixers/devices in /dev/snd or something |
| 04:47.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you got a LOT of those controls |
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| 04:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmm... actually |
| 04:48.14 | meglo | CutMeOwnThroat, i'm using backports to grab the .30 kernel and will use m-a to grab and compile a newer alsa |
| 04:48.16 | meglo | hope it works |
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| 04:48.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | it couldn't be that you got a 2nd soundcard and it's playing on that? |
| 04:48.27 | meglo | if now then I'll play around with my BIOS and on-board audio |
| 04:48.33 | meglo | also there are these jumper things |
| 04:48.51 | meglo | CutMeOwnThroat, I have one PCI card right now that I'm trying to use |
| 04:48.53 | meglo | lspci shows me this |
| 04:48.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I actually see lots of PCM entries in your paste |
| 04:49.01 | hacker_kid | it seems difficult to find a dedicated host that supports Debian (and not a debian base like Ubuntu... BLECK) could anyone recommend a good dedicated server host for debian? |
| 04:49.01 | meglo | the onboard from my motherboard is disabled in BIOS |
| 04:49.21 | hacker_kid | wouldn't be caught dead with a CentOS server :) |
| 04:49.21 | meglo | CutMeOwnThroat, yes but they're not accessable through alsamixer :\ |
| 04:49.25 | meglo | maybe alsactl |
| 04:49.27 | meglo | or whatever |
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| 04:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | it *shouldn't* be the driver if you write to the sound device or play stuff with aplay |
| 04:49.58 | meglo | well i've tried aplay and speaker-test, and those have not worked |
| 04:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should be either a mixer problem or some other stupid thing |
| 04:51.41 | meglo | the pcm entries reveal themselves in /dev/snd but not to alsamixer hmmmm. I'll throw stuff around and hope it works as usual |
| 04:51.48 | meglo | new kernel, m-a new alsa |
| 04:52.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might want to ask #alsa |
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| 04:53.32 | racecar56 | hacker_kid: :> |
| 04:53.43 | meglo | There is this guru guy called gnubien who seems to help a lot of people and quickly comes up with solutions, but otherwise the channel is very idle. |
| 04:54.02 | hacker_kid | racecar56, ? |
| 04:54.11 | meglo | CutMeOwnThroat, anyway I asked here because looking on the alsa wiki for my soundcard chipset there seemed to be some debian-specific things going on, plus when I tried even them they were 'deprecated' in lenny |
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| 04:54.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps most are from a timezone that becomes more active at different tiems |
| 04:54.31 | meglo | But yeah I'll see what I can do, thanks |
| 04:54.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's 7 in Europe and around midnight in the US... not the best time :) |
| 04:54.54 | meglo | CutMeOwnThroat, well I'm not on a regular sleep cycle so maybe I can catch one of them :P |
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| 04:55.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, who is :) |
| 04:55.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I found it funny... there was some poll in a newspaper (NYT online? don't remember) and they asked what you'd consider going to bed "early" and "late" |
| 04:56.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | the latest you could choose was 1am, I think :) |
| 04:56.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think they asked for "what do you consider going to bed late", then |
| 04:56.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1am is NOT late! |
| 04:57.19 | meglo | haha |
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| 04:57.39 | meglo | I've got my days and nights switched around because nothing is demanded of me during the day :> |
| 04:57.53 | meglo | but i'm going to boot into the new kernel |
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| 05:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you just gotta move half around the planet and you're in sync again... |
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| 05:07.45 | smacnay | how does one update an nfs export - I altered the address and wish to refresh it on the client machine. |
| 05:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | unmount/mount? |
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| 05:08.42 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks - tried that but no luck |
| 05:08.54 | smacnay | I will try again - maybe my syntax is wrong |
| 05:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? How can it find the server if it changed address? |
| 05:09.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean - under the old address |
| 05:09.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "refresh"? |
| 05:09.32 | smacnay | let me look - server remained the same - the client's address changed |
| 05:09.51 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat, refresh is my term for making the share visible. :) |
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| 05:10.51 | bbelt16ag | can somebody help me with openssl and apache2? |
| 05:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, I don't see how it can "not work" |
| 05:11.38 | bpun | bbelt16ag, if you pay me.. i can try to help.. |
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| 05:12.26 | bbelt16ag | how much |
| 05:12.35 | smacnay | if the /etc/exports file is altered, does the server need to restart something to share? |
| 05:13.07 | bbelt16ag | why wont my csr file on debian go into a Ca on win2003 seerver says it dosnt have some field |
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| 05:13.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there's rpc and /etc/init.d/nfs* |
| 05:14.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | forgot what rpc was called |
| 05:14.05 | bbelt16ag | it says it doesnot contain a certificate template extension or a certificate template request attribute.. |
| 05:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | portmapper! |
| 05:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know if they *need* to be restarted, though - in doubt I just did it |
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| 05:15.53 | myself | has anyone here gotten pcsx2 (playstation 2 emulator) , the linux package, to work in linux??? |
| 05:16.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can use rpcinfo -p <server> to see if you got access to the portmapper on your server |
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| 05:16.31 | smacnay | thanks |
| 05:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, just /etc/exports is not enough |
| 05:16.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | portmapper also has access restrictions, iirc |
| 05:17.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | check /etc/hosts.allow |
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| 05:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | there should be a line portmap: some.IP some.other.IP |
| 05:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, I also have a line mountd: some.IP .... etc. in there, btw |
| 05:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but no recollection of ever entering it |
| 05:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | or WHY |
| 05:18.02 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
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| 05:19.13 | simonrvn | myself: "linux package"? did you check the bts? |
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| 05:19.58 | bbelt16ag | here is my issue i copied the how to part i did for the generation and what i did ect in here http://pastebin.ca/1533406 |
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| 05:24.32 | Ohan | hi there people |
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| 05:24.50 | Ohan | could someone tell me if it should be possible to masquerade (NAT) in the same network? |
| 05:25.19 | bpun | Ohan, NAT is for separate networks.. your question makes no sense |
| 05:25.36 | _AnywhereIs_ | :))) |
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| 05:25.52 | Ohan | bpun well it does in case i'm using LVS (and keepalived and ipvsadm) |
| 05:26.39 | Ohan | i'd like to know if the ipvsadm thingy will be able to work for the internal servers too (if one internal server tries to access a loadbalanced services on another internal server, without "going out" of the LVS, ie, without using the external ip address |
| 05:26.59 | Ohan | not sure i'm being clear though :/ |
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| 05:27.28 | myself | simonrvn what is bts |
| 05:28.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bts |
| 05:28.56 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 05:28.59 | Ohan | so what do you think bpun ? |
| 05:29.09 | myself | anyway simon i think i found a deb package so its okay |
| 05:29.10 | myself | i think |
| 05:29.17 | bpun | Ohan, i think wikipedia is a good resource to review networking stuff |
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| 05:29.34 | bpun | Ohan, nat isn't a novice setup.. |
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| 05:29.44 | Ohan | i'm not a novice :( |
| 05:29.57 | Ohan | and i believe my question makes sense, but haven't found the answer yet |
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| 05:30.25 | Ohan | i tried setting it up, but it just doesn't seem to work, just not sure wether it's a typo/stupid mistake somewhere, or if it's a limitation |
| 05:30.29 | bpun | Ohan, dunno.. probably u want to read the manpage on iptables (u can specify nat rules) |
| 05:30.40 | Ohan | sure, i do have a masquerading rule |
| 05:31.00 | Ohan | i'm not trying to find HOW to set up masquerading, but IF it's possible (if it should work) in the same network |
| 05:31.06 | Ohan | anyway, thanks, i'll keep on digging |
| 05:31.18 | bpun | Ohan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation |
| 05:31.24 | bpun | Ohan, i hope that helps |
| 05:31.31 | bpun | !NAT |
| 05:31.32 | dpkg | Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages. |
| 05:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | i don't think so |
| 05:31.36 | bbelt16ag | is this the proper way to doing a Ca and what not? for ssl? |
| 05:31.42 | Ohan | thanks i'll check this page to |
| 05:31.43 | meglo | CutMeOwnThroat, on the alsa checklist it said 'See also <list alsa users>.'... is that a mailing list or a FAQ or what? |
| 05:31.55 | bpun | Ohan, nat is for standing between networks.. |
| 05:31.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it's another factoid |
| 05:32.06 | meglo | !list alsa users |
| 05:32.07 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 05:32.18 | meglo | that is a complex command |
| 05:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | /msg dpkg list alsa users is preferred, though :) |
| 05:32.25 | Ohan | bpun, nope, nat means Network Address Translation |
| 05:32.28 | meglo | i had something similar |
| 05:32.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sound device is not blocked |
| 05:32.43 | Ohan | but, why couldn't you translate from 192.168.0.x to 192.168.0.x ? |
| 05:32.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | if programs don't complain about permission denied or similar |
| 05:33.04 | meglo | CutMeOwnThroat, I had an xfce mixer applet running and it showed up, but it wasn't blocking anything |
| 05:33.13 | meglo | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, audacious has no complaints |
| 05:33.29 | _AnywhereIs_ | Ohan: did you tried that @ your packet filtering software? try it and see if you don't want to read about NAT :) |
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| 05:33.44 | Ohan | _AnywhereIs_, well, as i said, i did |
| 05:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | it depends on the exact driver/hardware if only one process is able to write to the sound device |
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| 05:34.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | also depends on if you write to the OSS device or the alsa device... |
| 05:34.11 | Ohan | and it doesn't work, and i was wondering why (either because it's not supposed to, either because i did a mistake/typo/other...) |
| 05:34.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and anyway, this annoyance seems to be disappearing |
| 05:34.14 | meglo | I don't think this card has hardware mixing |
| 05:34.31 | Ohan | anyway, thanks for you help, i'll keep on digging |
| 05:34.38 | meglo | audacious is using alsa not oss |
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| 05:34.42 | _AnywhereIs_ | Ohan: i don't see any worthing reason for setting up nat in same subnets. i don't know what are those net services you were talking about but in maximum need i use proxies not NAT. i have only nat to internet from my home subnet. |
| 05:34.44 | Ohan | maybe try with a bond ip on the same iface |
| 05:34.45 | man_in_shack | grumbles |
| 05:34.52 | meglo | I think I'll try compiling alsa from source maybe heh |
| 05:35.03 | Ohan | _AnywhereIs_, i'm setting up a LVS |
| 05:35.13 | _AnywhereIs_ | Ohan: k i'll google for it now |
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| 05:35.22 | man_in_shack | why does lib32ncurses5-dev from ia32-apt-get conflict with libncurses5-dev? |
| 05:35.23 | Ohan | _AnywhereIs_, Linux Virtual Server |
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| 05:35.38 | _AnywhereIs_ | Ohan: okay so why it needs nat? |
| 05:35.39 | Ohan | it allows for someone to have fault tolerant/load balanced services |
| 05:35.47 | bpun | Ohan, i have no idea what level NAT you're talking about.. obviously lvs is no really digged around here.. i'm guessing you want something like cisco's dynamic NAT features.. that i have no idea if linux even does that.. |
| 05:35.49 | man_in_shack | i thought -dev stuff was meant to be noarch |
| 05:35.55 | Ohan | it doesn't need that usually, i just have a specific setup |
| 05:36.08 | Ohan | bpun, i'll keep on digging ;) |
| 05:36.13 | Ohan | thanks for the pointers anyway |
| 05:36.18 | _AnywhereIs_ | Ohan: so maybe your 'specific' setup needs to me 'specifically' fixed? |
| 05:36.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 05:36.32 | _AnywhereIs_ | Ohan: i never heard someone did nat in same subnets |
| 05:36.36 | Ohan | _AnywhereIs_, that is _exactly_ what i'm trying to know: is it fixable? |
| 05:36.44 | _AnywhereIs_ | it sounds useless and geeky |
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| 05:37.05 | _AnywhereIs_ | i don't know how you 'specifically' set it up so i cannot really know, Ohan :( |
| 05:37.17 | Ohan | no problem at all |
| 05:37.22 | Ohan | i asked, in case anyone had a clue |
| 05:37.26 | _AnywhereIs_ | it's all in a hands of sysadmin who created :) |
| 05:37.30 | Ohan | doesn't seem so, no worries ;) |
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| 05:38.56 | bpun | Ohan, just look into ipsec if you need to.. |
| 05:39.05 | Ohan | yup |
| 05:39.14 | bpun | Ohan, lan <ipsec> internet <ipsec> lan |
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| 05:39.33 | Ohan | bpun, that is what i'd like to avoid, if possible ;) |
| 05:39.41 | tux91 | Anybody know how to enable expert install mode if installing from a usb stick? |
| 05:39.44 | bpun | Ohan, why? |
| 05:40.05 | Ohan | because i don't know if the "internet" part of the round trip actually _goes_ on the internet (like, to my isp, and back) |
| 05:40.11 | bpun | Ohan, you're exiting with 1 ip address anyways |
| 05:40.13 | Ohan | if so, it's useless usage of bandwidth |
| 05:40.29 | bpun | Ohan, um, tracert? |
| 05:40.41 | bpun | Ohan, let me guess.. are you even using linux or not? |
| 05:40.48 | Ohan | sure |
| 05:40.51 | Ohan | debian 5 (lenny) |
| 05:40.57 | Ohan | huhu, what did you think? :D |
| 05:41.00 | bpun | Ohan, what's all this lvs sutff? |
| 05:41.05 | Ohan | our servers |
| 05:41.17 | _AnywhereIs_ | tux91: russian? :) |
| 05:41.20 | Ohan | the cluster of servers we're trying to set up, loadbalanced and fault tolerant |
| 05:41.31 | bpun | Ohan, you're maintaining these servers without a cisco license? |
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| 05:41.33 | tux91 | _AnywhereIs_: yeah, how did you know? |
| 05:41.44 | _AnywhereIs_ | tux91: rDNS. may i PM? :) |
| 05:41.46 | Ohan | bpun, why are you talking about cisco? lvs has nothing to do with cisco |
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| 05:42.02 | tux91 | _AnywhereIs_: yes |
| 05:42.27 | rozie | Ohan: in what matter you want them to be loadbalanced and fault tolerant? what kind of servers they are? |
| 05:42.56 | rozie | because load balancing will be different in different kinds of service |
| 05:43.08 | Ohan | rozie, web, mysql and freeradius |
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| 05:43.22 | bpun | Ohan, so just use forwarders.. or be smart, restructure your network properly.. |
| 05:43.23 | Ohan | but that isn't really my question, is it? |
| 05:43.34 | Ohan | but if you need a quick explanation, i can give, no problem ;) |
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| 05:44.14 | Ohan | one way or another, i'll make it work, i'm just searching the available solutions at hand |
| 05:44.21 | Ohan | checking which are viable, which aren't |
| 05:44.37 | rozie | Ohan: check haproxy |
| 05:44.44 | rozie | (for WWW) |
| 05:45.10 | bpun | rozie, he's running a mess of servers.. he has no idea how to design a network for it.. |
| 05:45.13 | Ohan | rozie, no need ;) |
| 05:45.31 | Ohan | bpun, how could you tell what i know and what i don't, and how they are set up? Oo |
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| 05:45.39 | rozie | so it's just network failover? |
| 05:45.41 | Ohan | that is very clever of you... guessing like that |
| 05:45.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | we're all psychics |
| 05:45.47 | Ohan | rozie, yes |
| 05:45.54 | Ohan | rozie, lvs allows for that |
| 05:46.07 | Ohan | ok, quick explanation: |
| 05:46.48 | Ohan | desired setup: 2 load balancers (master/backup), 2 web servers (load balanced RR), 2 mysql/freeradius servers (loadbalanced RR, with NDB running for mysql) |
| 05:47.22 | Ohan | all that is called a LVS (linux virtual server, because to the outside world it's seen as a single server, with a single external public ip address) |
| 05:47.45 | Ohan | on each LB, there's two services: ipvsadm (that manages "services to real servers" association rules) |
| 05:48.11 | Ohan | say: if a request comes on the public ip address, on port 80, forward on one of the two (or more) web servers |
| 05:49.04 | Ohan | on top of that, keepalived is running, and runs healthchecks on: 1/ the other LB (to make sure it's still alive, if not, change to MASTER, and own the virtual public address and virtual private address) |
| 05:49.16 | elik | Anyone had fun trying to use the repositories to install nvidia drivers? |
| 05:49.26 | Ohan | 2/ the real servers and their services (if one of the web server fails, take it out of the available real servers) |
| 05:49.54 | Ohan | so that takes care of 1/ the load balancing 2/ the failover between the two load balancers, so they aren't a SPOF |
| 05:50.01 | elik | seems like the module just won't compile with the new 2.6.30 |
| 05:50.13 | Ohan | and 3/ the load balancing/fault tolerant real servers (web server, mysql, freeradius...) |
| 05:50.15 | rozie | Ohan: OK. and the problem is...? |
| 05:50.16 | Ohan | now |
| 05:50.26 | Ohan | i'd like the web servers to have access to the mysql servers |
| 05:50.36 | Ohan | they could access the internal ip address, directly |
| 05:50.42 | elik | something about a struct not having any members names owner |
| 05:50.53 | Ohan | but that would be stupid, because it would not be load balanced nor fault tolerant |
| 05:51.08 | Ohan | (if web1 access mysql1, and mysql1 fails, then web1 is still "alive", but useless) |
| 05:51.09 | rozie | Ohan: it depends |
| 05:51.16 | Ohan | so, web1 should access the "virtual server" mysql |
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| 05:51.33 | rozie | some apps allow to use sql/radius server in given order |
| 05:51.33 | Ohan | so it should access the virtual public ip address owned by the master load balancer |
| 05:51.47 | Ohan | rozie, sure, but that is another solution i'm harnessing |
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| 05:52.11 | bpun | Ohan, yeah.. the manager has to take care of that.. there should be something for balancing mysql servers.. |
| 05:52.22 | Ohan | my question was: instead the web servers use the virtual public ip address, could they (should they?) use the virtual PRIVATE ip address? |
| 05:52.26 | bpun | Ohan, i thought mysql supports clusters.. |
| 05:52.29 | Ohan | i tried, and for the moment it doesn't work |
| 05:52.38 | Ohan | what i'm actually unsure, is if it's meant to be working, or not |
| 05:52.47 | Ohan | bpun, they do |
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| 05:52.53 | bpun | Ohan, so look into that.. |
| 05:52.54 | pppoe_dude | how perfect are programming languages? |
| 05:52.56 | Ohan | but there's several clustering mecanism in mysql |
| 05:53.00 | pppoe_dude | or how perfectly designed are they? |
| 05:53.06 | Ohan | and some ask for the change on the web code |
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| 05:53.13 | Ohan | which isn't a "cheap" solution in our case |
| 05:53.21 | rozie | Ohan: you don't want to have everywhere public IP's as virual, right? |
| 05:53.22 | Ohan | and as i said, that is another solution i'm harnessing |
| 05:53.37 | Ohan | rozie, didn't get your question |
| 05:53.55 | elik | pppoe_dude, proramming languages are as perfect as the users behind them... |
| 05:53.59 | bpun | pppoe_dude, people stil use fortran from the 1960's.. |
| 05:54.05 | rozie | do you have public IP as virtual IP now? |
| 05:54.08 | bpun | pppoe_dude, so depends what you want to do |
| 05:54.10 | bbelt16ag | help? |
| 05:54.21 | pppoe_dude | elik, bpun but i mean... the design. is it more perfect than the design of an app? |
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| 05:54.36 | pppoe_dude | i mean, are there "bugs" in programming languages? |
| 05:54.37 | bbelt16ag | http://pastebin.ca/1533422, http://linuxgazette.net/131/cressatti.html#Install_Apache_2_and_the_WebDAV_module |
| 05:54.45 | bbelt16ag | ssl wont sign my ca cert |
| 05:54.49 | elik | bpgoldsb, oh man.. don't tell me, I just finished a workterm where they had plenty of code using fortran, bleh |
| 05:54.50 | Ohan | rozie, yes |
| 05:54.54 | bpun | pppoe_dude, there are standards yes-- solving a problem is all up to how one wants to solve it.. |
| 05:54.55 | Ohan | (i'm back in a minute) |
| 05:55.15 | elik | Anyone tried to compile Nvidia drivers on the new 2.6.30 kernel? |
| 05:55.16 | bbelt16ag | is there a openssl channel |
| 05:55.20 | rozie | and - according to your question - there's no matter if IP is private or public. you have to make access between machines and provide access from the internet |
| 05:55.21 | pppoe_dude | bpun, but you know what i mean? Like, math is perfect - biology isn't |
| 05:55.31 | bpun | pppoe_dude, there have been bugs in the compiler yes.. |
| 05:55.34 | elik | math ain't perfect either |
| 05:55.37 | rozie | if you have everywhere public IP |
| 05:55.40 | pppoe_dude | elik, as perfect as you can get |
| 05:55.41 | elik | nothing is... |
| 05:55.56 | bpun | pppoe_dude, there are always bugs everywhere.. the idea is identifying them correctly when they happen.. so gdb is used |
| 05:56.06 | rozie | from the same class, and machines are in the same broadcast network, they will contact directly |
| 05:56.18 | pppoe_dude | elik, nothing is |
| 05:56.38 | pppoe_dude | elik, but there's no denying that some things are more perfect than others, including humans. But humans are inherently imperfect |
| 05:56.40 | pppoe_dude | and life |
| 05:56.51 | pppoe_dude | but perhaps the concept of perfection in and of itself is human |
| 05:56.57 | elik | the grammar is never ambiguous... but that hardly makes a language perfect |
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| 05:57.07 | bpun | pppoe_dude, math is perfect? i have no idea what you mean by saying that.. are you asking how to do math programming? you'd refer to boolean logic at least.. |
| 05:57.34 | ajavid | enough |
| 05:57.40 | bpun | pppoe_dude, get the Deitel&Deitel book on C++ programming.. it's good |
| 05:57.45 | pppoe_dude | well |
| 05:57.54 | ajavid | !ot |
| 05:57.54 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 05:58.08 | ajavid | ##programming is that way --> |
| 05:58.22 | pppoe_dude | k |
| 05:58.25 | bpun | pppoe_dude, you can ask linux programming questions on #linux.. this is a little offtopic and cluttering |
| 05:58.45 | pppoe_dude | am asking a philosophical questions. More offtopic i suppose |
| 05:58.56 | ajavid | ##philosophy |
| 05:58.58 | elik | very much so |
| 05:58.59 | bpun | lol |
| 05:59.01 | pppoe_dude | but - this in itself is imperfection |
| 05:59.16 | pppoe_dude | i am a blur in this channels seemingly seamless flow of debian-related discussions |
| 05:59.24 | Ohan | back |
| 05:59.30 | bpun | a social scientist lost in an engineer's world |
| 05:59.33 | elik | Anyone tried to compile Nvidia drivers on the new 2.6.30 kernel? I'm getting compilation errors |
| 05:59.51 | Ohan | rozie, so i should try still using the virtual public ip address |
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| 06:00.05 | Ohan | i'll tcpdump/tracert straight away to make sure, thanks |
| 06:00.19 | ajavid | tracert? |
| 06:00.20 | rozie | Ohan: no. it doesn't matter, really, if ip is private or public |
| 06:00.29 | Ohan | ok |
| 06:00.37 | ajavid | !tracert |
| 06:00.37 | dpkg | tracert is the correct cmd name for the incorrectly named traceroute |
| 06:00.38 | rozie | Ohan: no need to tracert |
| 06:00.44 | Ohan | but the private doesn't work, in my case, so i'll check the public |
| 06:01.08 | rozie | public will work just as I described |
| 06:01.24 | rozie | do you have one common network, without VLANs and stuff? |
| 06:01.55 | bpun | rozie, he doesn't have a cisco degree.. |
| 06:02.04 | rozie | neither have I |
| 06:02.06 | rozie | ;) |
| 06:02.07 | bpun | rozie, he had no idea what i meant by saying dynamic NAT.. |
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| 06:03.14 | rozie | I just wonder, where is router in this network |
| 06:03.22 | Ohan | outside |
| 06:03.24 | rozie | and if it is SPOF |
| 06:03.24 | Ohan | :p |
| 06:03.31 | Ohan | it is, at the moment, and so is the firewall |
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| 06:03.55 | Ohan | but this is also being addressed (by my work colleague, who is a cisco master ;) |
| 06:04.17 | itsosimpo | how do u uninstall mysql server? |
| 06:04.35 | rozie | if addresses are in the same network (in the same subnet) |
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| 06:04.53 | pppoe_dude | bpun, a social scientician indeed |
| 06:04.56 | rozie | they will contact directly |
| 06:05.02 | Ohan | rozie, they aren't |
| 06:05.18 | Ohan | well, depends which ip address you're talking about :D |
| 06:05.24 | bpun | pppoe_dude, please if u have a meaningful debian related question ask it.. i'm already done with your previous question |
| 06:05.29 | rozie | the one you want to use |
| 06:05.35 | rozie | virtual public, I guess |
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| 06:05.46 | Ohan | the virtual public address is "outside" |
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| 06:06.07 | Ohan | it's owned by the load balancers, who have two network cards, one on the "public side", and one on the "private side" |
| 06:06.11 | pppoe_dude | bpun, oh i know, i just replied to your comment |
| 06:06.18 | rozie | so I probably don't get the idea |
| 06:06.19 | Ohan | rozie, but talking with you made me think about something |
| 06:06.36 | bpun | Ohan, you may want to discuss this with your cisco colleague about the possibility of using a vlan |
| 06:06.51 | pppoe_dude | this = support channel. Check! |
| 06:06.54 | Ohan | bpun, it's not related |
| 06:07.18 | rozie | bpun: no need for vlan if he has separation with network range |
| 06:07.18 | Ohan | bpun, you're some kind of cisco fanboy, right? :p |
| 06:07.26 | rozie | "no need" ;-) |
| 06:07.36 | bpun | Ohan, um.. you obviously should discuss it with him.. i say no further.. |
| 06:07.45 | rozie | Ohan: type ip r |
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| 06:07.57 | Ohan | bpun, right, i won't discuss it further with you, in any case, thanks for the help so far ;) |
| 06:07.58 | rozie | you will see the routing table |
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| 06:08.22 | Ohan | yeah, i usually do it with route -n |
| 06:08.28 | rozie | and there will be always easiest way chosen |
| 06:08.36 | Ohan | ok, i'll check that straight away |
| 06:09.57 | rozie | so if machine has entry in its routing table, it won't send packet through router |
| 06:10.16 | rozie | (the basic idea) |
| 06:10.23 | Ohan | got that |
| 06:10.55 | Ohan | so, if i have a computer on 123.123.123.123, and i do a "ping 123.123.123.123", the request won't go through my isp/nearest router or whatever |
| 06:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | itsosimpo, like... "apt-get remove mysql-server\*"? |
| 06:11.21 | itsosimpo | yeah i did that |
| 06:11.31 | itsosimpo | but i'm trying to reset my password |
| 06:11.41 | itsosimpo | i'm thinking i need to reinstall it |
| 06:11.46 | bpun | itsosimpo, use a rescue cd, and use chroot |
| 06:11.50 | rozie | Ohan: well. it's the same IP |
| 06:11.51 | itsosimpo | oh? |
| 06:12.06 | Ohan | yup |
| 06:12.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !forgot mysql's root password |
| 06:12.14 | rozie | Ohan: if you have 192.168.0.1/24 nad 192.168.0.2/24 |
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| 06:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg? |
| 06:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh\ |
| 06:12.26 | rozie | they will contact directly |
| 06:12.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !i forgot mysql's root password |
| 06:12.29 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password> |
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| 06:12.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | there we go |
| 06:12.35 | Ohan | so, if the requests come in from the private address, to the public address, it'll "stay on the load balancer" |
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| 06:12.48 | rozie | no |
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| 06:12.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | itsosimpo, ^^^ |
| 06:13.02 | rozie | Ohan: it'll go to router |
| 06:13.02 | Ohan | both public and private are on the same load balancer |
| 06:13.11 | Ohan | just on different network cards |
| 06:13.29 | rozie | oh. if it's the same machine it should stay on this machine |
| 06:13.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... /msg dpkg real question |
| 06:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
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| 06:13.34 | Ohan | so you reckon it'll go through the gateway? |
| 06:13.41 | Ohan | rozie, ok, that is what i want to assess |
| 06:13.47 | itsosimpo | "mysqld --skip-grant-tables" returns error: 090817 23:13:02 [ERROR] mysqld: unknown option '--* InnoDB' |
| 06:13.47 | Ohan | assert? |
| 06:13.52 | Ohan | assess? sorry for my bad english :/ |
| 06:13.57 | JJOliver | Hey peeps. How can I check to see if my serial port is working?! Is there a command that will test to see if it's all installed and good to go? |
| 06:14.06 | rozie | Ohan: it won't come from private ip, probably |
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| 06:14.15 | rozie | that's another matter ;) |
| 06:14.17 | itsosimpo | maybe i should use a rescue cd |
| 06:14.33 | bpun | itsosimpo, y, use debian netinst iso.. |
| 06:15.01 | bpun | itsosimpo, how are you using this irc? |
| 06:15.08 | itsosimpo | xchat |
| 06:16.01 | jmarsden | JJOliver: Perhaps sudo setserial -a /dev/ttyS0 will do what you want? |
| 06:16.01 | rozie | Ohan: and by machine I understand physical machine, not virtual |
| 06:16.01 | bpun | itsosimpo, u have another linux installed on the same machine? |
| 06:16.01 | itsosimpo | yeah, arch |
| 06:16.01 | bpun | itsosimpo, so mount the debian root filesystem and use chroot on it.. |
| 06:16.02 | Ohan | rozie, sure |
| 06:16.03 | bpun | itsosimpo, then just use the passwd command |
| 06:16.10 | itsosimpo | i'm sort of a newbie |
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| 06:16.39 | bpun | itsosimpo, arch isn't for newbies is it? |
| 06:16.40 | rozie | Ohan: little fun with tcpdump will make it clear |
| 06:16.45 | itsosimpo | idk! |
| 06:16.54 | Ohan | yup |
| 06:16.54 | bpun | itsosimpo, ask #linux.. |
| 06:17.01 | Ohan | tcpdump and/or tracert i believe |
| 06:17.07 | rozie | no. |
| 06:17.08 | itsosimpo | debian is my main os arch is for fun |
| 06:17.14 | bpun | itsosimpo, chroot << i basically gave the solution.. (use fdisk -l to find debian root filesystem) |
| 06:17.14 | JJOliver | jmarsden: thanks! |
| 06:17.21 | rozie | tcpdump will show you more |
| 06:17.22 | itsosimpo | ok |
| 06:17.26 | itsosimpo | i'll work on it tomorrow |
| 06:17.27 | itsosimpo | thanks |
| 06:17.31 | bpun | itsosimpo, lol |
| 06:17.37 | bpun | itsosimpo, it's very easy.. |
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| 06:17.43 | bpun | itsosimpo, can u list fdisk -l ? |
| 06:17.44 | itsosimpo | oh okay then i'll try |
| 06:17.50 | jmarsden | JJOliver: No problem. |
| 06:17.57 | itsosimpo | yep |
| 06:18.10 | JJOliver | Ah, jmarsden setserial command not found/ |
| 06:18.15 | JJOliver | What do I need to instal? |
| 06:18.59 | itsosimpo | can i chroot from here |
| 06:19.09 | jmarsden | JJOliver: setserial :) |
| 06:19.29 | bpun | itsosimpo, what does fdisk -l show? |
| 06:19.33 | bpun | itsosimpo, pastebin.ca ? |
| 06:19.50 | itsosimpo | i'm not sure where /root is for deb |
| 06:19.51 | itsosimpo | ok |
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| 06:20.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | itsosimpo, you're giving it '--* InnoDB' as an option? |
| 06:20.13 | bpun | itsosimpo, no "/root" is the superuser's account |
| 06:20.15 | Ohan | rozie, how is it called, when you have two interfaces using the same network card? |
| 06:20.32 | JJOliver | that did something! |
| 06:20.33 | Ohan | like eth0 and bond0 both with different IPs but on the same network card |
| 06:20.34 | itsosimpo | http://pastebin.com/m66d93097 |
| 06:20.37 | bpun | itsosimpo, when i said "root" of the filesystem, it's a jargon word meaning the bottom of the filesystem |
| 06:20.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | bpun, mysql root password != root password |
| 06:21.20 | bpun | itsosimpo, and mount command says what? |
| 06:21.25 | itsosimpo | yeah but i made my partition so that my os is on one disk and data files are in another |
| 06:21.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and my mysqld takes --skip-grant-tables just fine |
| 06:21.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of Debian is that |
| 06:21.51 | itsosimpo | lenny |
| 06:21.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be ok |
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| 06:22.09 | bpun | CutMeOwnThroat, i think u got mixed up with another channel |
| 06:22.14 | itsosimpo | mount: http://pastebin.com/m3f33b52e |
| 06:22.14 | bpun | lol |
| 06:22.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | bpun, I'm tired... |
| 06:23.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | bpun, but he 1st asked how to remove mysql, then said he forgot the password |
| 06:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 06:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | which from context... |
| 06:23.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, whatever |
| 06:23.50 | bpun | itsosimpo, ur table is screwed up.. but you should be always using the same partitioning tool.. |
| 06:23.59 | bpun | itsosimpo, did u install arch recently? |
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| 06:24.09 | itsosimpo | maybe three months ago |
| 06:24.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll grab some pillow |
| 06:24.24 | bpun | itsosimpo, ur mount command makes no sense for /dev/sda5 being mounted |
| 06:24.42 | bpun | itsosimpo, actually its fine.. |
| 06:24.43 | itsosimpo | yeah i made it so the os is on one disk and data files are on another |
| 06:24.52 | bpun | itsosimpo, the table is not represented incrementally thats all.. |
| 06:25.11 | itsosimpo | yeah |
| 06:25.59 | bpun | itsosimpo, so find out which one is hosting lenny's root, it's either sda6, sda7, sda8.. if u labeled them.. the command : e2label <partition> (eg:partition being /dev/sda6 etc) .. can say.. |
| 06:26.12 | itsosimpo | i think it's sda7 |
| 06:26.39 | bpun | itsosimpo, (since sda2 and sda5 is obviously already mount by arch) |
| 06:27.24 | itsosimpo | lol i didn't label them |
| 06:27.31 | bpun | itsosimpo, so mkdir /mnt/<sdaX> ; mount -t auto /dev/<sdaX> /mnt/sdaX> .. then try to see what's in /mnt/sdaX |
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| 06:27.41 | itsosimpo | i can find out...with my bootloader |
| 06:27.51 | bpun | itsosimpo, (replace sdaX to sda6/7/8 accordingly) |
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| 06:29.37 | nsadmin | you probably don't need -t auto... I'm guessing that;s the default |
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| 06:30.28 | bpun | nsadmin, i guess for practice it's good he's trying it.. he's never done a mount command :) |
| 06:30.58 | itsosimpo | ummm i think lenny is /dev/sda2 |
| 06:31.00 | nsadmin | hmm, ok... that sounds reasonable |
| 06:31.06 | bpun | itsosimpo, its not.. |
| 06:31.15 | bpun | itsosimpo, the mount command shows sda2 for arch |
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| 06:31.22 | nsadmin | itsosimpo: got sda2 mounted now? |
| 06:31.29 | JJOliver | jmarsden: thanks, it's working now |
| 06:31.29 | JJOliver | ! |
| 06:31.34 | itsosimpo | according to my /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 06:32.00 | bpun | itsosimpo, u sure about that? |
| 06:32.14 | nsadmin | itsosimpo: (cd /; df .; cd /boot; df .) |
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| 06:32.33 | nsadmin | should be two lines, are they the same? |
| 06:32.36 | bpun | nsadmin, can u do "cat /etc/debian_version" ?/ |
| 06:32.56 | nsadmin | I'm running etch on this box |
| 06:33.04 | bpun | nsadmin, so u said lenny right? |
| 06:33.19 | bpun | argh |
| 06:33.21 | nsadmin | in answer to what question? |
| 06:33.24 | bpun | nm |
| 06:33.36 | bpun | itsosimpo , so u said lenny right? |
| 06:33.51 | itsosimpo | hmm yeah let me check sda7 by mounting |
| 06:33.51 | bpun | itsosimpo , does "cat /etc/debian_version" ? <<<< :) |
| 06:34.06 | bpun | hates his new keyboard |
| 06:34.13 | nsadmin | itsosimpo: (cd /; df .; cd /boot; df .) |
| 06:34.24 | nsadmin | with the parens. |
| 06:34.38 | nsadmin | you should get two lines, they could be identical |
| 06:34.50 | itsosimpo | /mnt/sda5, 6,7 do not exist |
| 06:34.54 | itsosimpo | i can only mount sda2 |
| 06:35.11 | bpun | itsosimpo , what does the cat command say? |
| 06:35.27 | itsosimpo | what do i cat? |
| 06:35.28 | nsadmin | actually I'm out of this, he's not listening |
| 06:35.37 | bpun | itsosimpo , "cat /etc/debian_version" ? |
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| 06:35.55 | itsosimpo | 5.0.2 |
| 06:36.07 | bpun | itsosimpo, so u have lenny |
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| 06:36.24 | itsosimpo | df . returns /dev/sda2 |
| 06:36.25 | bpun | itsosimpo, maybe the arch is the one you're locked out |
| 06:36.25 | nsadmin | and you're running it now |
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| 06:36.51 | itsosimpo | yeah but lenny is in sda2 i'm pretty sure |
| 06:36.55 | nsadmin | itsosimpo: did you run the exact command I posted? it's safe, it doesn't write anything |
| 06:36.58 | bpun | itsosimpo, so mkdir those directories under /mnt.. and then try them out.. or find out from the menu.lst file.. |
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| 06:37.01 | itsosimpo | check out my /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 06:37.50 | itsosimpo | http://pastebin.com/m6ddaa3cf |
| 06:37.54 | itsosimpo | yes |
| 06:37.55 | nsadmin | not simple to help if you're not responsive... but maybe not true that you're totally comfortable with me helping |
| 06:38.08 | itsosimpo | i did df on in /boot |
| 06:38.23 | nsadmin | is it the same as the one in /? |
| 06:38.45 | itsosimpo | yes df on / returns this: /dev/sda2 30233928 4898016 23800100 18% / |
| 06:38.55 | nsadmin | howbout df /boot |
| 06:39.02 | nsadmin | identical? |
| 06:39.05 | bpun | itsosimpo, u dont have an entry for whatever is on 6,7,8 |
| 06:39.12 | itsosimpo | /dev/sda2 30233928 4898016 23800100 18% / |
| 06:39.22 | itsosimpo | i think that's arch |
| 06:39.40 | bpun | nsadmin, his issue is he says he cant login into somethig.. but i wonder continuously if he actually has arch.. |
| 06:39.52 | nsadmin | so you are not using a separate /boot partition, so /boot is stored on / partition |
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| 06:39.58 | itsosimpo | i can't log into mysql |
| 06:40.05 | bpun | itsosimpo, it's confirmend /dev/sda2 is lenny |
| 06:40.23 | bpun | itsosimpo, question is what's on 6,7,8 .. your menu.lst doesnt show any of them.. |
| 06:40.26 | itsosimpo | i am using separate /boot for lenny and arch |
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| 06:40.34 | itsosimpo | also separate / and separate /home |
| 06:40.42 | nsadmin | bpun: maybe his /etc/fstab does |
| 06:40.50 | itsosimpo | bpun: those are /home |
| 06:40.56 | bpun | itsosimpo, my error- >" kernel /vmlinuz26 root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/20b5c9ae-29de-409f-9b62-b098d14a38e2 ro vga=773" |
| 06:41.00 | bpun | itsosimpo, there's that.. |
| 06:41.11 | nsadmin | itsosimpo: the result of the command you did, shows that /boot is not separate from / |
| 06:41.11 | bpun | itsosimpo, so linux arch is probably on there.. |
| 06:41.24 | itsosimpo | no i made /boot separate |
| 06:41.51 | nsadmin | there's no partition mounted on /boot |
| 06:42.00 | nsadmin | not at the moment anyway |
| 06:42.02 | itsosimpo | err there's only one /boot |
| 06:42.14 | itsosimpo | and two separate /root |
| 06:42.25 | itsosimpo | nsadmin: right |
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| 06:42.57 | nsadmin | so there's stuff in /boot, which is in the same partition as / |
| 06:43.00 | nsadmin | which is fine... |
| 06:43.07 | nsadmin | it seems to work |
| 06:43.13 | itsosimpo | nsadmin: it's not in the same partition as / |
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| 06:43.33 | nsadmin | can't argue with the output of those commands |
| 06:43.50 | nsadmin | they say / is in sda2 and /boot is in sda2 |
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| 06:43.57 | itsosimpo | i guess so |
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| 06:44.13 | bpun | itsosimpo, i guess its /dev/sda6 |
| 06:44.17 | itsosimpo | i must remember it rong |
| 06:44.22 | itsosimpo | wrong* |
| 06:44.24 | bpun | itsosimpo, according to your menu.lst (root (hd0,5) |
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| 06:44.30 | nsadmin | maybe you had that in a different linux and you forgot to use that in your lenny |
| 06:44.34 | \3TATUK | How do you flush local dns cache? (I don't have bind9/named/nscd) |
| 06:44.36 | itsosimpo | possibly |
| 06:44.40 | \3TATUK | just restarting networking? |
| 06:44.40 | bpun | itsosimpo, mount /dev/sda6 .. and do a chroot to it.. |
| 06:44.47 | itsosimpo | i can't |
| 06:44.49 | nsadmin | it's not bad... |
| 06:44.57 | bpun | itsosimpo, u cant what? |
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| 06:45.07 | itsosimpo | mount: mount point /mnt/sda6 does not exist |
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| 06:45.15 | bpun | itsosimpo, mkdir /mnt/sda6 |
| 06:45.15 | itsosimpo | oih dur |
| 06:45.31 | nsadmin | a mount point can be any dir |
| 06:45.51 | bpun | itsosimpo, then "mount -t auto /dev/sda6 /mnt/sda6" ; then "chroot /mnt/sda6" ; then "passwd" |
| 06:45.58 | bpun | nsadmin, he's new.. |
| 06:45.58 | nsadmin | so mounting is joining one partition to a dir on another |
| 06:46.11 | itsosimpo | i do an ls on /mnt/sda6 and get these files: diag1.img grub kernel26-fallback.imgkernel26.img lost+found System.map26vmlinuz26 |
| 06:46.13 | bpun | itsosimpo, "/mnt" is for making custom mountpoints |
| 06:46.13 | nsadmin | I realize, that's why I'm explaining this |
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| 06:46.34 | nsadmin | or you can temporarily just mount on /mnt |
| 06:46.34 | bpun | itsosimpo, thats the boot partition.. try the same now with sda7 |
| 06:46.54 | bpun | itsosimpo, or rather a boot filesystem-partition for arch.. |
| 06:47.37 | itsosimpo | sda7 is arch |
| 06:47.39 | nsadmin | it is probably a /boot... but it doesn't look like one debian made (again, not a bad thing) |
| 06:47.49 | bpun | itsosimpo, "chroot /mnt/sda6" ; then "passwd" |
| 06:47.50 | itsosimpo | bin dev home lib64 media opt rootsrv tmp var |
| 06:47.50 | itsosimpo | boot etc lib lost+found mnt proc sbinsys usr vol |
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| 06:48.09 | nsadmin | that looks like a / partition |
| 06:48.18 | Cryptic_Donkey | \TATUK you just run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 06:48.19 | bpun | itsosimpo, sorry |
| 06:48.20 | itsosimpo | i dnt have chroot |
| 06:48.26 | bpun | itsosimpo, chroot /mnt/sda7" ; then "passwd" |
| 06:48.51 | bpun | itsosimpo, apt-get install chroot |
| 06:48.55 | nsadmin | judd, versions chroot |
| 06:48.56 | judd | nsadmin: chroot -- |
| 06:49.05 | nsadmin | no such package |
| 06:49.10 | nsadmin | !find chroot |
| 06:49.14 | Cryptic_Donkey | \TATUK /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 06:49.14 | itsosimpo | ok but i don twant to change my pw |
| 06:49.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'chroot' (7 of 37): (/usr/bin/cvschroot) in vcs/cvsutils ;; (/usr/sbin/chroot) in utils/coreutils ;; (/usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot) in misc/ltsp-server ;; (/usr/bin/dchroot-dsa) in admin/dchroot-dsa ;; (/etc/ftpchroot) in net/ftpd,net/ftpd-ssl ;; (/usr/share/dist/U/d_chroot.U) in devel/dist ;; (/usr/lib/rssh/rssh_chroot_helper) in net/rssh. |
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| 06:49.58 | nsadmin | so it's in coreutils |
| 06:50.04 | Cryptic_Donkey | !restart netrwork |
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| 06:50.23 | bpun | its probably chrootuid (package) |
| 06:50.51 | bpun | dam... |
| 06:50.53 | bpun | probalby not.. |
| 06:50.54 | bpun | lol |
| 06:50.56 | itsosimpo | no i was able to change my p |
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| 06:51.00 | itsosimpo | pw using chroot |
| 06:51.05 | nick| | heyy |
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| 06:51.17 | nsadmin | horrrrse |
| 06:51.23 | itsosimpo | that was pretty cool |
| 06:51.48 | nsadmin | you're probably still in that chrooted env |
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| 06:51.58 | bpun | nsadmin, is it fakechroot? |
| 06:52.00 | itsosimpo | yeah |
| 06:52.12 | bpun | itsosimpo, are u using the fakechroot pacakge? |
| 06:52.21 | nsadmin | take a look at what dpkg said just now |
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| 06:52.45 | nsadmin | bpun: according to dpkg chroot is in coreutils |
| 06:52.47 | itsosimpo | uhh i just chroot /mnt/sda7 |
| 06:52.50 | bpun | ah |
| 06:52.55 | itsosimpo | then i get a bash shell |
| 06:53.16 | nsadmin | did you change the passwd before or after you did that |
| 06:53.18 | bpun | itsosimpo, so if u changed the password.. u can now get out of chroot (ctl-d) or type exit |
| 06:53.19 | itsosimpo | yeah |
| 06:53.24 | itsosimpo | ok |
| 06:53.30 | bpun | itsosimpo, the prompt will now be in lenny |
| 06:53.40 | itsosimpo | cool |
| 06:53.54 | nsadmin | is not so sure which root passwd he just changed |
| 06:54.05 | bpun | itsosimpo, so if u reboot, u should be able to login to arch's superuser.. |
| 06:54.17 | itsosimpo | nsadmin the root password on /mnt/sda7 right? |
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| 06:54.37 | crzedmonk | hi |
| 06:54.39 | crzedmonk | behold |
| 06:54.45 | crzedmonk | carcuss polo |
| 06:54.50 | crzedmonk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZpuOn86PYI |
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| 06:55.07 | itsosimpo | cool |
| 06:55.08 | nsadmin | itsosimpo: which did you do: chroot (some dir), change a passwd... OR... change a passwd, chroot (somedir) |
| 06:55.10 | bpun | itsosimpo, y.. the procedure is easy isn't it? (chroot /mnt/sda7; passwd ; exit) |
| 06:55.36 | bpun | itsosimpo, the passwd is done against the current "/" system for the superuser.. |
| 06:55.42 | itsosimpo | nsadmin: i did chroot /mnt/sda7; passwd ; exit |
| 06:55.57 | nsadmin | hmm... |
| 06:55.59 | bpun | itsosimpo, so if u typed it now.. it would change the passwd for your lenny account |
| 06:56.04 | nsadmin | is not so sure of that :) |
| 06:56.14 | itsosimpo | that's pretty cool, so /mnt/sda is updated with /dev/sda7 ? |
| 06:56.16 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure you changed your lenny pw |
| 06:56.35 | itsosimpo | no i changed my arch password |
| 06:56.43 | itsosimpo | let me check |
| 06:56.48 | bpun | itsosimpo, type mount |
| 06:56.52 | nsadmin | don't log out of anything yet |
| 06:57.00 | bpun | itsosimpo, tell me if /dev/sda7 is mounted |
| 06:57.30 | itsosimpo | ok here's what mount returns: http://pastebin.com/m6ddaa3cf |
| 06:57.47 | itsosimpo | http://pastebin.com/m2b243352 |
| 06:57.49 | bpun | itsosimpo, wrong one |
| 06:57.53 | itsosimpo | yeah sorry |
| 06:58.05 | bpun | itsosimpo, so try rebooting and trying to login to arch |
| 06:58.22 | itsosimpo | ok |
| 06:58.26 | bpun | itsosimpo, u can use this similar procedure to restore a passwd with any general linux |
| 06:58.38 | itsosimpo | cool |
| 06:58.40 | itsosimpo | i'll be back |
| 06:59.29 | nsadmin | bpun: you should test that carefully |
| 06:59.45 | nsadmin | chroot somethign; somecommand |
| 06:59.50 | Nikke | is there any nvidia kernel module for 2.6.30? |
| 06:59.50 | nsadmin | is NOT the same as |
| 06:59.57 | nsadmin | chroot somethign |
| 07:00.01 | nsadmin | somecommand |
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| 07:00.53 | nsadmin | if I'm understanding correctly, you'll go into the chroot, and when you exit that chroot, somecommand will be run |
| 07:01.09 | nsadmin | in the first case. |
| 07:01.34 | nsadmin | in the second, you have a totally different prompt, and you're running the libs and bins of that system |
| 07:01.54 | nsadmin | it has to do with how bash reads commands |
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| 07:02.29 | nsadmin | so you should test that carefully (and not using passwd in place of somecommand :) |
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| 07:03.42 | \3TATUK | How do you flush local dns cache? (I don't have bind9/named/nscd) |
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| 07:04.17 | Tiffon | nas |
| 07:04.20 | nsadmin | if you're not running a dns, there's not a cache |
| 07:04.33 | \3TATUK | i sort of think there is |
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| 07:04.49 | \3TATUK | you're suggesting each time i visit a website it re-looks up the DNS record? |
| 07:04.51 | nsadmin | maybe it's on the name server that machine is using |
| 07:04.56 | \3TATUK | very doubtful |
| 07:04.57 | elik | I'm getting a Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting error whenever X tries to start. The log file shows no errors other than that, and a backtrace. I'm upgrading my driver for Nvidia on 2.6.30 |
| 07:05.20 | _AnywhereIs_ | O_ooo i need help...... i have daemon.log sized 300M in two days i have only 1.8G hdd space it will overflow soon, how do i stop that log spam? |
| 07:05.21 | nsadmin | \3TATUK: using the dns in /etc/resolv.conf, yes |
| 07:05.21 | \3TATUK | plus i can *see* a local cached DNS which is wrong |
| 07:05.31 | bpun | elik, i thought nvidia drivers are already prebuilt |
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| 07:05.49 | nsadmin | \3TATUK: telnet localhost 53 |
| 07:05.56 | nsadmin | connection refused? |
| 07:05.57 | bpun | itsosimpo, and the news is good? |
| 07:06.07 | \3TATUK | nsadmin: yes |
| 07:06.08 | _AnywhereIs_ | it's pptp logging all packets to daemon.log O-0000 how do i disable that guys? |
| 07:06.14 | itsosimpo | yeah that was cool |
| 07:06.21 | _AnywhereIs_ | it will kill my all space... :0 |
| 07:06.34 | nsadmin | \3TATUK: so you're not running a dns server on that machine |
| 07:06.47 | nsadmin | or if you are it's not listening on that port |
| 07:06.56 | bpun | itsosimpo, i was confused at first when u said arch.. i believe arch is not used for super newbies like you :) |
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| 07:07.15 | Nikke | how do i check a package version? |
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| 07:07.30 | itsosimpo | bpun: lol i am still learning |
| 07:07.31 | bpun | Nikke, apt-cache show "packagename" |
| 07:07.32 | nsadmin | \3TATUK: look at the first nameserver line in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:07.37 | elik | bpun, might be... but I don't see them from the list of available drivers... |
| 07:07.39 | bpun | !refcard |
| 07:07.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 07:07.46 | \3TATUK | nsadmin: yeah changing the namesever record helped |
| 07:07.52 | Nikke | bpun: thanks |
| 07:08.05 | nsadmin | if there's going to ge a cache, it's going to be on the machine listed there |
| 07:08.13 | nsadmin | ge be |
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| 07:08.16 | \3TATUK | yup it was |
| 07:08.16 | elik | bpun, I usually follow this technique: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Usemodule-assistant |
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| 07:08.41 | bpun | elik, add non-free to repo.. |
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| 07:09.00 | bpun | elik, mine has it listed with apt-cache policy as it being in non-free |
| 07:09.00 | crzedmonk | hi |
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| 07:09.14 | crzedmonk | I have no issues just saying thanks again for all the help |
| 07:09.16 | crzedmonk | =D |
| 07:09.18 | elik | bpun, I do have it |
| 07:09.26 | nsadmin | \3TATUK: linux uses something called libresolv to do things like look up names, read the config files and decide how to resolve based on them |
| 07:09.43 | ONE_PATE | hi |
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| 07:09.47 | bpun | elik, try apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 07:09.48 | elik | bpun, what's your package name? |
| 07:10.11 | elik | bpun, already newest version |
| 07:10.23 | bpun | elik, dpkg -l nvidia-glx |
| 07:11.25 | elik | that's a capital L |
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| 07:12.15 | elik | bpun, what are you looking for in there? |
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| 07:12.42 | itsosimpo | so i can chroot into sda2 where i have / for lenny and then install mysql? |
| 07:12.57 | bpun | elik, what does uname -a say? |
| 07:13.32 | bpun | itsosimpo, its best to work on the loaded system and not use chroot at all.. |
| 07:13.42 | bpun | itsosimpo, just use chroot for restoring a root's password.. |
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| 07:13.48 | itsosimpo | oic |
| 07:13.54 | elik | bpun, can you ask for what you want to know. I can probably provide much of what you ask for without trying the command. My box is not running x, so my chat client is on another computer |
| 07:13.54 | itsosimpo | but i tried loading it here |
| 07:13.59 | itsosimpo | and it's not working |
| 07:14.10 | elik | bpun, if I can't get the info, I'll ask how to get it |
| 07:14.19 | bpun | elik, i believe another kernel needs to work with the prebuilt nvidia module.. |
| 07:14.19 | elik | bpun, I'm running 2.6.30 on amd64 |
| 07:14.43 | bpun | elik, which means another kernel probalby got installed with apt for working with the nvidia module.. |
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| 07:15.20 | bpun | elik, mine's dependency is nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 |
| 07:15.29 | bpun | elik, apt-cache show nvidia-glx |
| 07:15.35 | bpun | elik, will say if it does |
| 07:15.36 | elik | bpun, my graphic card is a little newer than yours, I guess |
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| 07:16.08 | bpun | elik, u dont know what kernel u're on? |
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| 07:16.41 | itsosimpo | guhhh |
| 07:16.43 | elik | elik> bpun, I'm running 2.6.30 on amd64 |
| 07:16.48 | itsosimpo | i'm going to bed guys |
| 07:16.50 | itsosimpo | goodnight |
| 07:16.55 | elik | night |
| 07:16.58 | itsosimpo | i'll try again tomorrow |
| 07:16.59 | chantal | hi, is there anyone here who can help with the setup of an nfs/kerberos server |
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| 07:17.36 | nsadmin | hmm, I don't have much exp with kerberos |
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| 07:17.53 | bpun | elik, can u post on pastebin? (dpkg -l |grep -i nvidia) |
| 07:17.57 | elik | bpun, it says it depends on nvidia-kernel-180.blah, but I just build this package |
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| 07:18.34 | elik | bpun, my irc client is on another machine, since the one I'm trying to fix is broken |
| 07:18.42 | elik | pastebin is thus slightly annoying |
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| 07:18.52 | bpun | elik, so ssh into it ? |
| 07:19.51 | Nikke | i have some problems starting x with nvidia drivers... it says ' Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! ' |
| 07:19.55 | elik | bpun, the machine is not on the network |
| 07:20.03 | Nikke | but i cant seem to find any kernel module for 2.6.30-1 |
| 07:20.16 | han_ | hi, i have a debian etch and trying to install sun-java6-jre from the lenny sources. but i always get an error that libjli.so can not be found. why and how can i solve this? |
| 07:21.25 | elik | bpun, I use gnome network manager for managing network connection, since it's wpa2 and wpasupplicant is slightly a pain in this ass... I wouldn't want to setup it just to pastebin some info I can give you if you tell me what you are looking rather than giving me a command |
| 07:22.20 | bpun | seems to me that wiki debian with nvidia is more complex than necessary.. i didnt have to do any of it.. |
| 07:22.20 | bpun | elik, are u on x currently? |
| 07:22.20 | elik | so you apt-get installed nvidia-glx and it pulled everything |
| 07:22.23 | bpun | elik, (then u can use xterm with mouse select) |
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| 07:22.37 | bpun | elik, y, and if another kernel was installed, u can boot from it.. |
| 07:22.55 | bpun | elik, but get rid of any package u made to the side.. |
| 07:23.08 | Cryptic_Donkey | how would one remova a package like adobe-flash plugin, i mistakenly installed it and now its come back to bite me.\ |
| 07:23.19 | elik | bpun, lemme switch back to vase |
| 07:23.22 | elik | vesa* |
| 07:23.34 | bpun | !flash |
| 07:23.34 | dpkg | flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 07:23.55 | bpun | i believe i just use dmm |
| 07:24.13 | chantal | neither do I nfsadmin :) |
| 07:24.48 | bpun | chantal, i meant debian mmedia repo :) |
| 07:25.04 | bpun | chantal, the kerberos stuff looks like a complex setup.. |
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| 07:25.35 | han_ | help? |
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| 07:26.17 | chantal | it is, someon at the kerberos channel told me to join debian |
| 07:26.19 | chantal | which doesnt make much sense to me, but I guess I can try :) |
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| 07:26.59 | bpun | chantal, kerberos and radius are probably related to some way.. |
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| 07:27.07 | elik_ | bpun, alright, I can pastebin my whole computer nowe |
| 07:27.08 | elik_ | -e |
| 07:27.28 | bpun | chantal, perhaps debian's wiki has something |
| 07:27.55 | bpun | chantal, http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/Kerberos |
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| 07:28.07 | chantal | thank you bpun |
| 07:28.11 | bpun | chantal, http://wiki.debian.org/NFS/Kerberos |
| 07:28.16 | elik_ | bpun, http://pastebin.com/f7a268b9a |
| 07:28.19 | Nikke | http://paste.debian.net/44469/ |
| 07:28.23 | Nikke | :( |
| 07:28.25 | Cryptic_Donkey | how would one remova a package like adobe-flash plugin, i mistakenly installed it and now its come back to bite me. how dom i remove flashplugin-nonfree its a non debian packager tha i need to remove asap otr i can't install tre |
| 07:28.29 | chantal | I'll have a look |
| 07:28.40 | Nikke | error log when i try to install nvidia drivers |
| 07:28.40 | bpun | chantal, it says to have ldap according to that nfs wiki |
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| 07:29.03 | don_martino | hi |
| 07:29.20 | chantal | I'm not sure you really need ldap |
| 07:29.25 | bpun | notes he didnt' paste the same url twice for once! |
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| 07:29.44 | chantal | bpun, not according to this http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/securing_nfs |
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| 07:29.55 | don_martino | hi i've got a problem with pppoe-server. it seems like it doesn't spawn an pppd process when a pppoe session is established. strace shows that pppoe-server does spawn a child which returns immediately. i cant ps fast enough to see the child in the process list. can anybody help me fix this? |
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| 07:30.34 | bpun | chantal, i don't know if it is a requirement.. but to that wiki page, the author is assuming that ldap is setup with kerberos |
| 07:31.12 | chantal | bpun, I am prety sure it isnt, but thanks for trying to help though |
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| 07:31.52 | Cryptic_Donkey | could some one please help me solve this issue http://paste.debian.net:80/44470/ |
| 07:32.07 | elik_ | bpun, anything interesting from my pastebin? |
| 07:32.16 | bpun | chantal, it probably isn't necessary to.. provided the nfs documentation would provide some hints about it |
| 07:32.23 | bpun | elik, didnt see it |
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| 07:32.43 | elik_ | <elik_> bpun, http://pastebin.com/f7a268b9a |
| 07:32.43 | Cryptic_Donkey | !flash |
| 07:32.43 | dpkg | flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 07:32.58 | bpun | elik, what does apt-cache policy nvidia-glx say ? |
| 07:33.10 | bpun | elik, actually, apt-cache show nvidia-glx |
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| 07:33.38 | Nikke | elik_: what nvidia problem do you have? |
| 07:33.39 | jaggz | is there anything wrong with designing a site so the normal and ssl versions are the same exact files -- but the SSL files/scripts will have a test in them "if (ssl)" ? |
| 07:33.54 | jaggz | the reason is because the files source other files include(other.script) which are common with the non-ssl access |
| 07:33.56 | han_ | the lib requested by java already exists, how can i tell where to find the lib? |
| 07:34.02 | elik_ | bpun, http://pastebin.com/f6a505a69 |
| 07:34.04 | bpun | elik, but u said u built one of those kernel packages right? (did u remove them?) |
| 07:34.24 | han_ | cd jli |
| 07:34.40 | elik_ | Nikke, updated to 2.6.30, built the module, but X fails, no error, just received signal 11 |
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| 07:35.05 | bpun | elik, did u try , apt-get install nvidia-kernel-180.44? |
| 07:35.25 | elik_ | bpun, I did build nvidia-kernel-2.6.30-amd64, with the help from that website I showed you, plus some source code modification |
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| 07:35.30 | Nikke | elik_: ah okey, i updated to 2.6.30 and x failed and i tried to re-install the drivers but when i try to build kernel module it failes |
| 07:35.44 | bpun | elik, so far as i see, i cant help u with anything u compiled |
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| 07:36.39 | elik_ | Nikke, had to fuck aroudn a bit, I'll tell you in a sec |
| 07:36.44 | Cryptic_Donkey | could some one please help me solve this issue http://paste.debian.net:80/44470/!!! |
| 07:37.00 | elik_ | bpun, http://pastebin.com/f1274faab |
| 07:37.00 | Nikke | elik_: ok thanks :) |
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| 07:38.00 | elik_ | Nikke, so, if you look at the errors, it says owner is not member of some struct anymore |
| 07:38.14 | elik_ | Nikke, so you can get rid of it.. but it's a bit tricky |
| 07:38.14 | bpun | elik, so use the built one.. not the one u compiled... take out the one you copied.. and rerun the mod's cache.. |
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| 07:38.33 | bpun | elik, but i'm not familiar to doing so from here.. |
| 07:38.44 | Nikke | elik_: this is my errorlog http://paste.debian.net/44469/ |
| 07:39.15 | elik_ | Nikke, yeha, same issue here |
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| 07:39.23 | elik_ | Nikke, what method are you following? |
| 07:39.32 | Nikke | elik_: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Usemodule-assistant |
| 07:39.43 | Nikke | i fail at this step |
| 07:40.34 | elik_ | Nikke, ok... so, I don't know it if will help you more than me, but you have to go in /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel and rm everything |
| 07:40.57 | elik_ | Nikke, then, you extract /usr/src/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 |
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| 07:41.49 | elik_ | Nikke, you go in /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv.c and comment out all occurrences of "owner" |
| 07:42.27 | Nikke | but first remove everything in /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/ ? |
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| 07:43.17 | bpun | elik, Nikke, if u can get it to work with the wiki's steps , that's great.. but it may be that my card is older that i didn't have to compile anything and just use module from non-free |
| 07:43.44 | Nikke | ah okey |
| 07:43.44 | elik_ | Nikke, yeah, previous built attempt left crap in that dir |
| 07:44.20 | elik_ | Nikke, then, you have to recompress the dir to the original archive (so when you m-a build nvidia-kernel-source, it will take your modifications) |
| 07:44.27 | elik_ | Nikke, and that's how I got where I am |
| 07:44.44 | elik_ | bpun, must, otherwise you'd have remembered doing it :) |
| 07:44.53 | Nikke | elik_: i try that |
| 07:44.53 | elik_ | bpun, cause you have to do it every time you change kernel |
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| 07:44.56 | Nikke | brb |
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| 07:46.24 | elik_ | bpun, I just hate how xorg logs are so helpless for that |
| 07:46.36 | elik | meh |
| 07:46.44 | elik | vesa it'll be for a bit I guess |
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| 07:47.28 | Nikke | elik: so every row with owner i will comment out? |
| 07:47.42 | elik | Nikke, indeed |
| 07:47.46 | Nikke | elik: ok |
| 07:47.53 | elik | except comments, of course |
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| 07:48.40 | bpun | elik_, X has no log of error for the problematic module? |
| 07:48.42 | Nikke | elik: ye :D |
| 07:48.43 | kiminaiseah | hi, iam looking for good guide for ssi clustering |
| 07:49.02 | Nikke | elik: then try the m-a auto-install command again? |
| 07:49.09 | bpun | kiminaiseah, wtf is ssi? |
| 07:49.09 | elik | hum, no |
| 07:49.12 | Nikke | no? |
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| 07:49.42 | bpun | elik, what about X -configure ? |
| 07:49.42 | elik | Nikke, I think auto-install fetches the package (so it would replace yours) |
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| 07:49.42 | kiminaiseah | @bpun single system image, load distribution for multiple computer |
| 07:49.42 | elik | Nikke, just m-a build then m-a install |
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| 07:49.55 | Nikke | ah ok |
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| 07:50.07 | bpun | elik, u messed around with a module, why not delete or undo ur added custom-module and try to reinstall the one from the prebuilt non-free deb package? |
| 07:50.16 | bpun | elik, unless u were the one that made that listed package.. |
| 07:50.27 | elik | bpun, http://pastebin.com/f7ea4962 |
| 07:51.19 | elik | bpun, well, I'm not exactly sure what's behind every step I do.. but there is no 180.44 in squeeze, from what debian package website can tell me... |
| 07:51.22 | bpun | elik, are u using an xorg.conf file? |
| 07:51.29 | elik | bpun, yes |
| 07:51.35 | bpun | elik, u usind sid? |
| 07:51.41 | elik | bpun, squeeze |
| 07:51.45 | bpun | elik, ahem |
| 07:51.47 | bpun | !squeeze |
| 07:51.47 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 Will be known as Debian 6.0. |
| 07:51.51 | bpun | elik, ur on sid |
| 07:52.05 | bpun | elik, what's ur apt's conf sources have? |
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| 07:52.20 | elik | bpun, no, squeeze is testing, sid is unstable |
| 07:52.22 | bpun | elik, are you using backports? |
| 07:52.25 | elik | no |
| 07:52.28 | bpun | lol |
| 07:52.29 | han_ | please help. installing java5 works greate, but every time i try to install java6 i ll got libjli.so not found although it is present |
| 07:52.34 | bpun | elik, ur confused.. |
| 07:52.37 | bpun | but nways.. |
| 07:52.39 | Nikke | elik: dont understand.. so i just run m-a build ? |
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| 07:52.52 | Abo | I have a problem |
| 07:52.56 | bpun | elik, squeeze doesnt exist.. |
| 07:53.13 | Abo | I am trying to ssh from a debian machine to another and I keep getting: Permission denied (publickey,password). |
| 07:53.13 | elik | Nikke, m-a build nvidia-kernel-source |
| 07:53.16 | Nikke | ok |
| 07:53.18 | elik | Nikke, m-a install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 07:53.21 | elik | bpun, what? |
| 07:53.24 | Abo | though I am able to login from my desktop to both of the machines |
| 07:53.34 | Abo | any idea? |
| 07:53.42 | bpun | elik, squeeze is not released yet.. |
| 07:53.49 | bpun | elik, see dpkgg |
| 07:53.53 | bpun | !sid |
| 07:53.54 | dpkg | sid is, like, the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 07:53.57 | Nikke | elik: Extracting the package tarball, /usr/src/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2, please wait... |
| 07:54.06 | Nikke | gah |
| 07:54.11 | elik | bpun, do you know about debian release cycle? |
| 07:54.12 | bpun | lol |
| 07:54.25 | elik | bpun, squeeze is not released, but it still exists |
| 07:54.28 | bpun | elik, so expect anything to broken with sid ;-) |
| 07:54.33 | bpun | elik, no |
| 07:54.36 | elik | I'm not in sid |
| 07:54.44 | bpun | elik, that's why "sid" is not squeeze |
| 07:54.59 | elik | bpun, ok, I'm on testing then |
| 07:55.14 | bpun | elik, sid always exist between releases... |
| 07:55.25 | elik | bpun, so does testing |
| 07:55.26 | bpun | sighs |
| 07:55.36 | elik | deb http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 07:55.37 | bpun | elik, so use a debugger.. |
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| 07:55.56 | Nikke | elik: if i run the build command it will extract a new nv.c into that folder? |
| 07:56.02 | Nikke | then my changes doesnt matter |
| 07:56.31 | elik | Nikke, yeah, but it extracts from the archive you are supposed to have modified, hence the extra step |
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| 07:57.08 | Nikke | elik: ah so you mean i should edit the nv.c in the tar.bz2 file? |
| 07:57.18 | elik | Nikke, yeah |
| 07:57.25 | Nikke | elik: ahh hehe my bad :) |
| 07:57.31 | kraut | moin |
| 07:57.35 | Abo | anyone? |
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| 07:58.00 | elik | bpun, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Debian-package-cycle.png |
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| 07:58.14 | Nikke | elik: how do i compress the /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/ to nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 ?? |
| 07:58.50 | Nikke | i never use the tar command in terminal.. use file-roller :P |
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| 07:59.08 | elik | that would look like this: tar cjf nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 modules/nvidia-kernel/* |
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| 08:02.46 | Nikke | elik: still fails |
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| 08:02.48 | elik | Nikke, same error? |
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| 08:03.03 | Nikke | elik: http://paste.debian.net/44472/ |
| 08:03.04 | Nikke | think so |
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| 08:03.33 | elik | nope |
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| 08:03.42 | elik | you probably messed something up in nv.c |
| 08:03.49 | Nikke | gah |
| 08:03.51 | Nikke | i can paste it for you |
| 08:03.59 | elik | oh god |
| 08:03.59 | elik | # is not a comment |
| 08:04.04 | elik | this is C, not sheel |
| 08:04.08 | elik | shell* |
| 08:04.15 | Nikke | gah my bad again |
| 08:04.22 | Nikke | hahaha |
| 08:04.27 | elik | lol |
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| 08:04.54 | Nikke | hehe sorry man |
| 08:04.56 | Nikke | but i get it now |
| 08:05.04 | Nikke | will try again then i need to go to work |
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| 08:05.27 | Nikke | // = comment |
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| 08:05.30 | Nikke | ?? |
| 08:06.39 | sanmarcos | yes |
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| 08:07.02 | sanmarcos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:10.32 | Nikke | elik: still fails haha |
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| 08:11.37 | elik | looks like what? |
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| 08:13.13 | Nikke | elik: http://paste.debian.net/44474/ |
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| 08:14.23 | elik | Nikke, sorry, don't know for this one |
| 08:14.28 | elik | you use vim? |
| 08:14.44 | Nikke | elik: i used mousepad a gui editor |
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| 08:15.56 | elik | here are the commands I rant o make the file ok: ":g$[.>]owner$:norm I/*" and ":g$[.>]owner$:norm A*/" |
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| 08:16.30 | Nikke | elik: with vim right? |
| 08:16.32 | Nikke | i can try that |
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| 08:16.59 | elik | Nikke, yup, vim |
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| 08:17.19 | elik | Nikke, then you can exit with ZZ |
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| 08:18.54 | cast | evening all |
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| 08:24.23 | meglo | cast people say debian is going downhill i don't see why |
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| 08:24.47 | cast | is that people who use ubuntu? |
| 08:25.25 | cast | there's only two things i dislike, GFDL being in non-free, and the existance of non-free |
| 08:25.39 | cast | not all GFDL i imagine, but some |
| 08:25.58 | cast | but other than that, things seem to be going well, the kfreebsd port especially |
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| 08:27.50 | nsadmin | the gfdls that have no invariant sections should be able to go in main/contrib |
| 08:28.35 | cast | i think the nature of any existing invariant sections should be considered |
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| 08:29.04 | nsadmin | I would imagine the ones that cause the most problems are the ones whose invariant sections contain manifestos |
| 08:29.09 | cast | oh, and the kernel having non-free firmware blobs. thats a bit nasty |
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| 08:30.43 | meglo | haha cast woah I didn't know this was #debian |
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| 08:31.11 | meglo | haha |
| 08:31.20 | elik | meglo, oh, look at that, what a mistake |
| 08:31.20 | cast | i thought using a gui client saved you from those sort of mistakes ;P |
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| 08:31.49 | meglo | it usually does but maybe not now that I think about it |
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| 08:32.52 | neo8848 | Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found - ??? |
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| 08:34.01 | meglo | i had that happen to me read further |
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| 08:34.36 | cast | neo8848: and have you installed said headers? |
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| 08:35.41 | neo8848 | trying to... are they not included in the downloadable discs? |
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| 08:35.55 | nsadmin | neo8848: what's your uname -r |
| 08:36.14 | neo8848 | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 08:37.03 | nsadmin | so the header package you want is probably called linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 08:38.21 | neo8848 | yes, but i don't have network for the debian lenny |
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| 08:38.41 | nsadmin | you could try to find the .deb of it using other machines |
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| 08:39.03 | nsadmin | and transfer it using floppy, usb storage, cd |
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| 08:39.42 | fireba11 | shouldn't a core2quad lower its frequence to save energy? |
| 08:40.02 | neo8848 | nsadmin: thanks, i'm on to it |
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| 08:43.36 | steven43126 | Hi anyone farmiliar with the iptables TRACE target ? does debian support it ? |
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| 08:44.08 | steven43126 | It's listed in the man page, but does not seem to be availble unless im missing a module ? |
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| 08:46.29 | neo8848 | nsadmin: installing the headers requires a cpp-4.1 package, and i have cpp-4.3 currently, will it not mess up my other applications? |
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| 08:51.15 | pringatto | in a two hdd, is a good idea to mount the /boot partition on a raid 1 partition? if I remove one of the disks, would the system boot properly? (/, /var and /home are also on raid1 partitions) thx |
| 08:51.18 | cast | if it'll let you install both concurrently, as i expect it will, things will still work fine |
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| 08:51.42 | ajavid | hey man |
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| 08:53.57 | pringatto | cast: is your last message for me? |
| 08:54.21 | cast | no, neo8848 |
| 08:54.37 | cast | never been rich enough to afford RAID! |
| 08:55.00 | pringatto | cast, ok |
| 08:55.12 | steven43126 | pringatto: it would if you make sure grub is installed to both drives |
| 08:55.24 | nsadmin | neo8848: looks like it requires an older compiler |
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| 08:55.53 | steven43126 | pringatto: well software raid does not mirror the MBR of the drives, hardware raid should just work. |
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| 08:56.21 | goki__ | If I mistakenly asked to "apt-get install foobar", then cancelled it, how can I stop apt-get from trying to install foobar every time I use it? |
| 08:56.53 | buu | goki__: Let it install and then remove it? |
| 08:56.56 | buu | =/ |
| 08:56.57 | cast | goki__: aptitude forget-new, does that in aptitude land |
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| 08:57.33 | goki__ | cast: I tried that, it doesn't seem to work |
| 08:58.01 | cast | presumably you tried apt-get remove foobar? |
| 08:58.21 | goki__ | yup |
| 08:58.53 | goki__ | Actually I'm now not sure that it is because I requested the packages - I let it install them, then tried to put the old ones back, and it removed some new ones |
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| 08:58.57 | rdz | hi all. i am encountering problems with the way debians configures networking interfaces and executes the scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d . the problem is on a machine with two network interfaces, which are set up using static addresses. the problem is, that the scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d are executed too early, _before_ the interfaces really are ready to use. therefor the mount.nfs script from /etc/network/if-up.d fails and nfs exports cannot be mounted on b |
| 08:58.57 | rdz | oot. should this be reported somewhere? |
| 08:59.03 | goki__ | there seems to be some weird dependency there |
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| 09:01.58 | pringatto | steven43126: ok, I will make sure to install grub in both MBRs and test it. BTW, hardware raid is not possible. thx |
| 09:01.58 | SlayerXP | wired. when updating the kernel, I get the message "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3". This file is not available in Debian according to p.d.o |
| 09:02.28 | harobed | hi, with apt-get, how can I do a --force-all like with dpkg ? |
| 09:03.03 | SlayerXP | harobed: if you're forcing packages to install then you are almost certainly doing something wrong. |
| 09:03.06 | pringatto | steven43126: I was just asking to know if there were any serious advice to be aware of, thx |
| 09:03.24 | harobed | SlayerXP: I know |
| 09:03.37 | harobed | SlayerXP: but I need to do it |
| 09:03.52 | joltcan | harobed: not sure that you can, but if you have it downloaded then you can dpkg --force-all the package from /var |
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| 09:04.40 | neo8848 | finally got the ndiswrapper going... installed the windows driver, |
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| 09:05.21 | neo8848 | hello everyone, after i install a driver via ndiswrapper, should i reboot to see changes? or is there something else i should do? |
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| 09:06.21 | harobed | joltcan: yes but I don't have the package in my /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 09:06.45 | harobed | and when I do : apt-get -d -m install ... |
| 09:06.57 | harobed | I've one version error |
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| 09:08.06 | e1z0 | i've got "/etc/init.d/mysql: line 115: /etc/mysql/debian-start: No such file or directory" then configuring mysql-server-5.0 on debian lenny, how to fix that ? |
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| 09:13.05 | ethanol | e1z0: your question does not make sense. |
| 09:13.17 | kiminaiseah | :d |
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| 09:15.56 | e1z0 | ethanol, already fixed |
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| 09:20.37 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 09:21.06 | paissad-hp | i would like to use vnc to see my server-desktop where i installed debian ! |
| 09:21.23 | SlayerXP | any thought on what I get, whe updating the kernel, "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3". This file is not available in Debian according to p.d.o |
| 09:21.30 | paissad-hp | i did from my laptop ' vncviewer paissad-server |
| 09:21.32 | SlayerXP | any thoughts on why I get, even |
| 09:21.36 | paissad-hp | byt i got nothing |
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| 09:23.44 | lvh | hi |
| 09:23.58 | lvh | I have an SVG, and I'd like to put it on a page several times. |
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| 09:24.07 | lvh | (It's a karnaugh map, I'd like a page with several of them) |
| 09:24.53 | themill | dpkg: tell SlayerXP about tg3 |
| 09:25.04 | themill | SlayerXP: according to that, you probably don't need the firmware |
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| 09:25.53 | simonrvn | lvh: embedded svg maybe? |
| 09:26.22 | simonrvn | or just use an img tag |
| 09:26.36 | lvh | simonrvn: Oh, sorry, I just realised how what I said is ambiguous |
| 09:26.43 | lvh | I mean a paper page, not a web page. |
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| 09:26.55 | SlayerXP | themill: I see, interesting, thanks |
| 09:27.12 | lvh | basically, I want a page that has eight or six or whatever it is you can fit on an A4 4-var karnaugh maps |
| 09:27.19 | themill | lvh: perhaps export it to ps/eps/pdf and use psnup / pdfnup? |
| 09:27.21 | lvh | I have the 4-var karnaugh map templte |
| 09:27.34 | lvh | themill: never heardd of pdfnup, lemme try -- thanks :-) |
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| 09:37.11 | unitypunk_ | sigh |
| 09:37.40 | unitypunk_ | cant seem to get samba to save my shares. |
| 09:37.50 | unitypunk_ | can anyone help? |
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| 09:39.43 | digifor | Since I installed gwibber I am getting weird stripey icons in gnome and lxde |
| 09:40.00 | digifor | like diagonal stripes on all the menu icons |
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| 09:40.16 | digifor | How can I fix this? |
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| 09:41.37 | neo8848 | i have just installed a broadcom driver via ndiswrapper, ndiswrapper -l displays : bcmwl5: driver installed , device (14E4:4329) present (alternate driver: ssb), i've added ssb to blacklist as this suggested : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17719 |
| 09:41.56 | neo8848 | now , how come i still don't see it on iwconfig? |
| 09:42.02 | neo8848 | help, anyone? |
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| 09:42.58 | icarus-c | can i switch to testing branch after a stable install? |
| 09:43.05 | binary | icarus-c: yes |
| 09:43.16 | icarus-c | binary: by changing repo? |
| 09:43.43 | binary | icarus-c: uhmm, kind of, change stable/lenny to testing/squeeze depending on your own personal preferance |
| 09:44.09 | icarus-c | i have never run debian but installing it right now |
| 09:44.14 | icarus-c | just trying to get some idea |
| 09:44.25 | binary | icarus-c: cool |
| 09:44.36 | icarus-c | the stable branch is too "stable" for me, i want some newer stuff |
| 09:44.48 | binary | icarus-c: to change those details you just edit the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:44.51 | icarus-c | since i come from fedora and been used to up-to-date |
| 09:45.06 | binary | icarus-c: then testing might be better for you |
| 09:45.37 | cast | icarus-c: if its only a few apps i find installing the latest of those said apps and running stable works well |
| 09:45.40 | kiminaiseah | may he's looking for experimental mirror |
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| 10:24.52 | pmo_ | hi, i have several computers at home, and sometime i prepare a new system / upgrade in a directory before copy over the real one.. but for each computer i do apt-get and more.. hence downloading 2 to 3 times same packages, may i ask you what is the best way to handle some sort of pool of packages used in several computers home, without doing download for each of them, but just once ? something like an automatic tool. i thought a |
| 10:24.52 | pmo_ | bout a common apt/archives directory (samba) what do you think ? what do you do ? what is best practice ? |
| 10:25.28 | kiminaiseah | pmo_ apt-cacher-ng |
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| 10:29.27 | pmo_ | kiminaiseah, ok.. seems to be that sort of tool, i was on derepro and more.. but seems really the sort of thing, i was looking for, but found nowher ;-) |
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| 10:30.53 | pmo_ | kiminaiseah, thanks |
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| 10:31.52 | kiminaiseah | thats the easy way of keeping deb repo in your hands, or build your own repo mirror but it takes time downloading the whole deb repo :d |
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| 10:33.39 | pmo_ | kiminaiseah, yes also you dont need all repo.. or you'll have to setup something to describe the sort of package you want to replicate.. hence a cacher is far more simple, since obviously, you used to do apt-get of all package you want.. hence no need to build / manage a list |
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| 10:41.46 | JyZyXEL | oh nice optimization in audacious, takes 50% of 2GHz CPU to decode 64 kbps 44.1 KHz mono MP3 |
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| 10:44.56 | Deepa | JyZyXEL: eever worked with audio before? |
| 10:45.15 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 10:45.42 | cast | wouldn't it depend how fast it was decoding |
| 10:45.50 | Deepa | Isn't it rather using a complete core? |
| 10:45.55 | cast | if it did 1 hour/second, thats pretty impressive |
| 10:46.35 | Deepa | Anyways MP3 is a horrible format |
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| 10:47.42 | cast | 64kbps mp3 is particully bad |
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| 10:48.09 | cast | vorbis does much better around that level bitrates \m/ |
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| 10:50.53 | JyZyXEL | VLC plays the same file with 2% CPU utilization |
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| 10:52.26 | JyZyXEL | audacious uses the same amount of CPU when its not even playing anything |
| 10:52.30 | oreo | On a debian gateway, is it possible to substitute the destination of a packet depending on its origin? |
| 10:53.41 | kiminaiseah | oreo what gateway? internet gateway? |
| 10:53.44 | JyZyXEL | dnat? |
| 10:54.00 | Stereo | oreo: source routing ? |
| 10:54.03 | oreo | kiminaiseah: yes, a router |
| 10:54.08 | kiminaiseah | dnat |
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| 10:54.23 | linduxed | i found out that ctrl+A takes you to the beginning of the line in BASH, is there a key combo that takes you to the end of the line? |
| 10:54.28 | oreo | k thanks i'll look into it |
| 10:54.37 | Stereo | linduxed: ⌃E |
| 10:54.39 | JyZyXEL | linduxed: ^e |
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| 10:54.49 | JyZyXEL | :( |
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| 10:55.20 | kiminaiseah | oreo if your asking for packet you should recompile your kernel to enable layer7 switch |
| 10:55.25 | oreo | (basically i have a local web server that also does nameserver, and when typing machine.tld, the nameserver gives the public IP, but I want local machines to access it as well, so the internal IP has to be used) |
| 10:55.32 | fas3r | can i convert 6.15765e+09 in number ? (not exp) ? |
| 10:55.58 | kiminaiseah | oic |
| 10:55.58 | linduxed | Stereo: JyZyXEL: thx |
| 10:56.07 | kiminaiseah | oreo your looking for proxy arp |
| 10:56.28 | oreo | kiminaiseah: so i don't need to do DNAT? |
| 10:57.30 | kiminaiseah | not actually but u still need it if you like throw traffic to other machine |
| 10:57.56 | Deepa | Or you could just play a switch and screw nat |
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| 10:58.58 | oreo | Deepa: can you elaborate? |
| 10:59.11 | raboof | is there a way to get all unresolved bugs for a package? |
| 10:59.19 | oreo | kiminaiseah: the physical machine is the same; the services are in openvz instances |
| 10:59.22 | raboof | i've been twiddling parameters of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi but can't seem to get it right |
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| 11:00.52 | steven43126 | oreo, what you want is split horizon DNS configuration from the sounds of it |
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| 11:01.41 | oreo | steven43126: it's what i'm currently doing, but i don't like it very much because i have to manage separate views |
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| 11:02.26 | st_iron | hello |
| 11:02.36 | st_iron | I have a little problem about my postfix server |
| 11:02.38 | oreo | st_iron: hi |
| 11:02.42 | st_iron | the error message is |
| 11:02.45 | st_iron | fatal: root(0): message file too big |
| 11:02.47 | st_iron | only this |
| 11:03.00 | st_iron | can anybody help or advice me anything? |
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| 11:03.18 | st_iron | it's a debian etch server |
| 11:03.38 | oreo | st_iron: did you try #postfix ? |
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| 11:06.13 | kiminaiseah | @oreo i never work with dns resolving it makes my brains drains :D |
| 11:06.34 | oreo | kiminaiseah: you mean keeping two separate dns views? |
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| 11:07.04 | st_iron | oreo: still not |
| 11:07.18 | st_iron | oreo: do I try there? |
| 11:07.38 | oreo | st_iron: yeah ask your question there |
| 11:07.58 | force | hi has anyone here got a sock_sendpage() hook patch? |
| 11:09.02 | st_iron | oreo: okay, thank you |
| 11:09.09 | st_iron | good bye dudes |
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| 11:09.32 | kiminaiseah | @oreo i never tried that one slit horizon dns |
| 11:10.20 | oreo | kiminaiseah: do you have a NATed server that also has to be accessed by local machines? |
| 11:10.57 | kiminaiseah | yup, just only enabling tcp forwarding |
| 11:11.27 | kiminaiseah | but lately i adopt using bridge interface |
| 11:11.54 | oreo | kiminaiseah: what do you suggest i should do? |
| 11:12.12 | force | all i need is a kernel module that can be loaded which hooks sock_sendpage with the patched proto_ops code - is this even possible? |
| 11:12.30 | tawan | cat /etc/issue |
| 11:12.31 | tawan | Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid \n \l |
| 11:12.32 | oreo | gateway and services are on the same machine; services are in openvz instances; eth0 is a trunk link to a gigabit switch |
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| 11:15.01 | kiminaiseah | @oreo are you looking for this http://wiki.openvz.org/Using_veth_and_brctl_for_protecting_HN_and_saving_IP-adresses |
| 11:15.40 | oreo | kiminaiseah: i should mention that I only have ONE ip address |
| 11:16.10 | kiminaiseah | the 1 ip is for master node |
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| 11:16.45 | oreo | kiminaiseah: but each VE has its own public IP |
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| 11:17.40 | oreo | (in the articly you gave me) |
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| 11:18.14 | oreo | i am assigned only one ip by my isp |
| 11:18.32 | oreo | thus that one ip has to be shared by the different nodes |
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| 11:19.37 | kiminaiseah | ahh so are you trying to say, you like to resolv every machine via hostname |
| 11:20.39 | kiminaiseah | hmm... locally yes, but public accessing in WWW nevertried.. i also looking for that |
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| 11:22.16 | oreo | kiminaiseah: what i want to do is have different services on different local IP's be accessible publicly through the same single public IP, and locally as well without having to play with dns views |
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| 11:33.49 | joel__ | i made an debootstrap lenny /my/path ... and after that, when i try to do certain things it says me this: Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) |
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| 11:34.02 | joel__ | i wanted to do some chroot. |
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| 11:34.23 | Deepa | You lack devices |
| 11:34.48 | petemc | mount --bind /dev /my/path/dev |
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| 11:37.02 | Pedro_away | Hi Guys |
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| 11:37.35 | oreo | Do you guys know how ready Squeeze is? |
| 11:37.43 | Deepa | It's almost in the tube |
| 11:37.44 | oreo | (for gold) |
| 11:38.10 | petemc | ready for gold? |
| 11:38.10 | abrotman | oreo: it's not even frozen yet |
| 11:38.15 | abrotman | petemc: "near release" |
| 11:38.24 | petemc | oh |
| 11:38.45 | oreo | rather surprising that lenny doesn't have ipv6 shorewall |
| 11:38.55 | abrotman | does squeeze? |
| 11:39.08 | abrotman | wait .. isn't shorewall just a frontend to iptables ? |
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| 11:39.30 | Deepa | I thought so too |
| 11:39.33 | oreo | it is |
| 11:39.34 | Guerin | 255.255.255.255 should be enough for anyone! |
| 11:39.49 | oreo | Guerin: ? |
| 11:39.56 | abrotman | oreo: iptables supports ipv6 right? what's the problem? |
| 11:39.59 | Deepa | Guerin: not for China no |
| 11:40.08 | JyZyXEL | !printer |
| 11:40.08 | dpkg | A printer is an output device to physical objects. Ask me about <cups-setup>, <cups>, <printconf> or use foomatic-gui for more information on how you can get your printer working under Debian. |
| 11:40.10 | Guerin | ipv4 running out is like global warming |
| 11:40.11 | Pedro_away | has anyone here install the MySQL gui tools from Sun website? |
| 11:40.16 | myself | has anyone gotten pcsx2 to work on linux? i need help |
| 11:40.23 | oreo | abrotman: iptables is a pain to configure without a frontend |
| 11:40.24 | SlayerXP | Pedro_away: yes, you have. |
| 11:40.30 | abrotman | myself: on which distro? |
| 11:40.31 | Deepa | Guerin: how are you gonna counter the day when China gets more PCs? |
| 11:40.33 | Deepa | Even more NAT? |
| 11:40.35 | abrotman | oreo: not true at all ... |
| 11:40.37 | Guerin | everyone who knows anything about the subject knows it's real, but damned if they can get the world to listen |
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| 11:40.37 | Pedro_away | nop I havent |
| 11:40.44 | myself | abrotman 9.04 Jaunty jackalope |
| 11:40.49 | oreo | NAT is terrible |
| 11:40.51 | Guerin | Deepa: you might find that I'm agreeing with you |
| 11:40.53 | abrotman | myself: then please ask #ubuntu, and if they can't help, ask ##linux |
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| 11:40.58 | Deepa | I'm raising voices :> |
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| 11:41.05 | myself | someone could help me in here too |
| 11:41.09 | oreo | how can you guys still go for NAT and to complain that we still don't use ipv6 |
| 11:41.15 | abrotman | myself: no, they cannot |
| 11:41.17 | myself | why can't they |
| 11:41.20 | Deepa | myself: no. go away, we do not use Ubuntu |
| 11:41.21 | ewook | oreo: is it really? |
| 11:41.23 | Guerin | oreo: who's complaining? |
| 11:41.28 | myself | ubuntu is based off of debian |
| 11:41.30 | abrotman | myself: because Ubuntu is not supported in this channel |
| 11:41.34 | Guerin | myself: FOAD |
| 11:41.38 | myself | lol |
| 11:41.45 | Deepa | myself: Ubuntu still sucks, go bother them :E |
| 11:41.47 | myself | ive gotten plenty of help with stuff in this channel |
| 11:41.54 | Pedro_away | it start and does the ping and all that but when I introduce the user and password it close itself, Any ideas??? |
| 11:41.57 | abrotman | myself: please stop arguing, go to #ubuntu for support |
| 11:42.01 | myself | way to be immature children about which linux distro is best |
| 11:42.19 | Deepa | We're not, we're asking you go to get help from someone who care |
| 11:42.23 | Deepa | This is Debian and not Ubuntu |
| 11:42.24 | oreo | myself: if you want immature, you should check out the c++ channel ^^ |
| 11:42.31 | Guerin | myself: way to be a fucking porkchop in a synagogue |
| 11:42.39 | Deepa | The system are related but they are very different |
| 11:42.41 | Guerin | gets the applesauce |
| 11:42.49 | Deepa | gets the oreos |
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| 11:43.28 | Pedro_away | Guys any help with my mysql problem??? Please |
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| 11:43.38 | abrotman | Pedro_away: you didn't ask any actual question |
| 11:43.44 | Pedro_away | yes I did |
| 11:43.50 | Guerin | !any ideas??? |
| 11:43.50 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of starving ostriches. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 11:43.50 | Pedro_away | it start and does the ping and all that but when I introduce the user and password it close itself, Any ideas??? |
| 11:44.03 | abrotman | missed the second part .. sorry |
| 11:44.05 | Guerin | Pedro_away: see above re: ostriches |
| 11:44.23 | abrotman | Pedro_away: did you look in the logs? the mysql logs? the system logs? |
| 11:44.25 | Deepa | Pedro_away: and what does the logs say? |
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| 11:44.59 | Pedro_away | I am a bit new to linux and debian, where are the log located, please |
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| 11:45.08 | ewook | /var/log usually.. |
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| 11:45.56 | DexterF | hi |
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| 11:46.49 | cypr1nus | hello, does anyone here use kde4.3 from sid? how much unstable is it? |
| 11:47.00 | abrotman | sid is unstable |
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| 11:47.11 | oreo | lol abrotman |
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| 11:47.18 | JyZyXEL | kde itself is unstable |
| 11:47.29 | oreo | JyZyXEL: that's what she said |
| 11:47.34 | ewook | how long will sid be maintained? for someone that have no idea over the timespawns |
| 11:47.46 | abrotman | ewook: sid never releases ... |
| 11:47.46 | Guerin | ewook: sid never dies |
| 11:47.51 | ewook | hahah |
| 11:47.56 | Deepa | I remember updating from woody to sid |
| 11:48.11 | oreo | sid is like lord voldemort |
| 11:48.12 | tingi | how do i kill any program that runs for more than 30s . I'm setting up a tester for algorithms. I want all code to execute within 30s total , otherwise kill it and memory usage max of 64MB |
| 11:48.13 | ewook | woody, wasn't that like 3.0? |
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| 11:48.23 | Deepa | Yeah |
| 11:48.24 | ewook | to many names... |
| 11:48.30 | Pedro_away | nothing in the mysql log |
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| 11:48.37 | Pedro_away | going to the system logs |
| 11:48.42 | ewook | too. gah. will not win any spelling contests. |
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| 11:49.22 | Deepa | What was the one before Woody called? I recall being told to upgrade immediately when I mention using it :P |
| 11:49.38 | oreo | potatoe was 3.0 wasn't it? |
| 11:49.40 | abrotman | tingi: timeout |
| 11:49.47 | tingi | abrotman, what ? |
| 11:49.49 | abrotman | judd: info timeout --release lenny |
| 11:49.49 | judd | abrotman: timeout (admin): is optional; Version: 1.11-6.5; Size: 10.3k; Installed: 24k -- Run a command with a time limit. |
| 11:49.50 | oreo | ah no 2.2 |
| 11:49.55 | oreo | wow time flies with debian xD |
| 11:49.59 | ewook | :D |
| 11:50.07 | tingi | abrotman, how about memory ? |
| 11:50.12 | Deepa | Woody was 3.0 |
| 11:50.22 | ewook | got a bunch of isos with das potatoe at home. sweet memories. |
| 11:50.23 | abrotman | tingi: huh ? |
| 11:50.24 | oreo | and sid is infinity =) |
| 11:50.36 | oreo | sid is the past, present and future |
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| 11:50.56 | oreo | sid is debian's gateway of time |
| 11:51.08 | ewook | soo.. sid is what version again? |
| 11:51.12 | tingi | abrotman, maximum heap limit is 64MB and stack limit 16 MB. ulimit ? |
| 11:51.19 | oreo | sid is unstable, ewook |
| 11:51.19 | abrotman | ewook: it doesn't have a version |
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| 11:51.35 | abrotman | tingi: that'd be one way i suppose .. couldn't you code it into your program ? |
| 11:51.37 | ewook | abrotman: .. might explain why I can't remember it. |
| 11:51.43 | llutz | sid = 42 ;) |
| 11:51.43 | oreo | sid is what hath been and what shall be |
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| 11:51.56 | abrotman | sends the kids to #debian-offtopic |
| 11:51.58 | oreo | llutz: oh nice one; should have thought of that |
| 11:52.01 | tingi | abrotman, no this is for people submitting code and me compiling and running (automater) the exe |
| 11:52.17 | abrotman | tingi: oh .. i guess ulimit .. not sure if there's a per process way of doing that |
| 11:52.25 | oreo | abrotman: isn't #debian the alternative to ##off-topic? xD |
| 11:52.57 | abrotman | no |
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| 11:53.28 | oreo | debian will reach version 42 in such a long time too; could actually be infinity |
| 11:53.42 | et | tingi: you could have a look at geordis hypervisor (#geordi, a bot that interprets c++ code supervised by a hypervisor using ptrace(2)) |
| 11:53.43 | oreo | now i see the reference for the movie, they used the debian release cycle to answer |
| 11:54.08 | tingi | et, cool |
| 11:54.31 | oreo | if you like solaris (or nexenta), there's dtrace |
| 11:54.33 | myself | anyway give da open source community a good name instead of being tribalist about which specific distro you use, but w/e |
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| 11:54.54 | oreo | myself: there's no real such thing as opensource community |
| 11:55.03 | oreo | cause even there you have licensing issues |
| 11:55.08 | oreo | ie: GPL vs CDDL |
| 11:55.10 | abrotman | myself: look, it's channel policy. We do not support non-Debian distros. |
| 11:55.18 | abrotman | !tell oreo about enter |
| 11:55.53 | Pedro_away | Hi, Guys I look in syslog syslog mysql mysql.err mysql.log nothing in there, where else can I look?? |
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| 11:56.29 | oreo | abrotman: write yourself a script to reparse my enters ;) |
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| 11:56.44 | ewook | Pedro_away: did you btw check that it has enough disk-space? |
| 11:56.48 | abrotman | oreo: it's really not funny |
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| 11:57.38 | Pedro_away | on the system files I have 31 G left |
| 11:57.47 | oreo | abrotman: i can't even see why you're complaining; i haven't overused it to be honest. I think you just want to troll |
| 11:57.54 | Pedro_away | system drive sorry |
| 11:58.17 | oreo | Pedro_away: launch mysql in safe mode |
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| 11:58.29 | oreo | and set it to be relatively verbose |
| 11:58.29 | Deepa | Doesn'y MySQL have foreground mode? |
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| 11:58.49 | Pedro_away | mysql is working |
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| 11:59.11 | Pedro_away | the problem is the gui admin tool |
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| 11:59.37 | abrotman | !strace |
| 11:59.38 | dpkg | somebody said strace was a system call tracing utility or a way to produce lots and lots of cryptic text. Most usefully called with something like "strace -f -F -e open -o logfile program_you_want_to_monitor" (-e open just monitors opened files - omit this option or consult the manpage for alternatives if you want to monitor anything else) |
| 11:59.38 | oreo | Pedro_away: it's the ONLY thing that doesn't work with mysql? |
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| 12:00.05 | ewook | Pedro_away: hahh. well, that one is a bit buggy, you'll have to either give it up, or be patient when you use the tool. |
| 12:00.07 | Pedro_away | I can see my sql with the web admin tool |
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| 12:00.55 | oreo | Pedro_away: just set up phpmyadmin; you shouldn't need anything else unless you're a DBA and want to spend your time monitoring resource usage |
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| 12:00.59 | Pedro_away | no the problem is with gui application, opt/mysql-gui-tools-5.0 |
| 12:01.35 | Pedro_away | yes php admin tool works fine |
| 12:02.02 | ewook | Pedro_away: check for reported bugs for/with it, or submit your own. |
| 12:02.04 | Pedro_away | but I would like to use the application tool |
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| 12:02.58 | oreo | Pedro_away: if the only thing that's being a problem is the client, then check the error log of the client, if there's one. |
| 12:02.58 | Pedro_away | ok that was the idea of coming here maybe someone is using it on Debian Lenny?? |
| 12:03.26 | Pedro_away | I can not see one, what would be the name? |
| 12:03.26 | abrotman | Pedro_away: see above about strace |
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| 12:05.01 | bosyak | hi all. How you think, is Debian best solution for corporate enviroment? |
| 12:06.50 | Pedro_away | HUm abrotman how do I know hoe the system call this programe? |
| 12:07.14 | fas3r | i have an error with awk : http://pastebin.com/m3f62e628 if someone have an idea .. i don't see my error http://pastebin.com/m4dc98ea8 |
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| 12:08.16 | abrotman | Pedro_away: look around where it crashes |
| 12:08.36 | abrotman | fas3r: ask #awk |
| 12:08.38 | ewook | ie - at the end |
| 12:10.49 | Pedro_away | I tried the strace coammnd, but i get bash: strace: command not found |
| 12:10.59 | Pedro_away | where it is? |
| 12:11.26 | abrotman | !installit |
| 12:11.26 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 12:11.40 | llutz | Pedro_away: aptitude install strace |
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| 12:15.23 | ewook | oh. I'll get a Glib-GObject WARNING with a realloc() invalid pointer :) when acctually running a strace on it :) |
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| 12:19.34 | Pedro_away | how should be the command strace, I do, strace -f -F -e open -o logfile mysql-administrator |
| 12:20.18 | Pedro_away | I get strace mysql-administrator: command not found |
| 12:20.33 | ewook | Pedro_away: well, is that really what the binary is called? |
| 12:20.44 | steven43126 | Pedro_away: try the full path |
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| 12:20.51 | Pedro_away | I dont know |
| 12:21.24 | straw | I guess you mean "mysql-admin" |
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| 12:23.12 | ewook | so, you will prolly find it under /usr/bin/mysql-admin |
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| 12:24.00 | Pedro_away | <steven43126> right |
| 12:24.12 | Pedro_away | I did the whole path and the application open |
| 12:24.51 | Pedro_away | did introduce the user and password |
| 12:24.57 | Pedro_away | and I get this |
| 12:25.17 | Pedro_away | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.17 | Pedro_away | /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:41: error: unexpected character `@', expected string constant |
| 12:25.17 | Pedro_away | Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/80-delicious.conf", line 17: invalid match target "scan" |
| 12:25.17 | Pedro_away | Fontconfig warning: line 73: unknown element "cachedir" |
| 12:25.17 | Pedro_away | Fontconfig warning: line 74: unknown element "cachedir" |
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| 12:25.35 | ewook | Oo |
| 12:25.49 | JyZyXEL | delicious.conf =D |
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| 12:26.15 | Pedro_away | sorry for the fool |
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| 12:26.40 | Pedro_away | I guess the error is |
| 12:26.50 | Pedro_away | lookup error: /usr/lib/libbonoboui-2.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl |
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| 12:27.38 | Pedro_away | How can fix this problem? |
| 12:27.56 | Agiofws | hi |
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| 12:28.28 | Agiofws | is anyone using quicksynergy + windows machine ... ? |
| 12:28.48 | Burn_ | after an apt-get upgrade command, I get this: libgeoip1: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 is installed |
| 12:28.52 | Burn_ | how should I solve this please? |
| 12:29.02 | Agiofws | i have a major problem whenever i try to type on windows synergy client my linux machine crashes almost ... |
| 12:29.13 | abrotman | Burn_: oyu're mixing versions of debian .. this is a bad thing |
| 12:29.22 | Burn_ | abrotman: I checked the sources |
| 12:29.26 | abrotman | Burn_: and? |
| 12:29.29 | Burn_ | abrotman: couldn't find a mismatch |
| 12:29.33 | Agiofws | this happened once i upgraded i think ... |
| 12:29.39 | abrotman | Burn_: put them in a pastebin |
| 12:29.41 | Burn_ | abrotman: anyway, all things should go Etch again |
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| 12:29.56 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 12:29.57 | judd | abrotman: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-23 sid: 2.9-25 |
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| 12:30.16 | abrotman | nothing in etch should depend on a libc6 2.7.x |
| 12:30.45 | Burn_ | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.be/20390 |
| 12:31.12 | abrotman | Burn_: i'm going to guess that at some point, they didn't all point at etch |
| 12:31.18 | abrotman | Burn_: apt-cache policy libgeoip1 |
| 12:31.19 | Burn_ | abrotman: indeed |
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| 12:32.00 | Burn_ | abrotman: yes, got 1.4.6 installed |
| 12:32.20 | abrotman | that's nto really what i wanted to know .. |
| 12:32.28 | abrotman | would like to see it in a pastebin |
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| 12:33.06 | abrotman | judd: versions libgeoip1 |
| 12:33.07 | Burn_ | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.be/20391 |
| 12:33.07 | judd | abrotman: libgeoip1 -- etch: 1.3.17-1.1 etch-backports: 1.4.4.dfsg-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.4.4.dfsg-3 lenny-backports: 1.4.6.dfsg-6~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1.4.6.dfsg-6 sid: 1.4.6.dfsg-7 |
| 12:33.14 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 12:33.37 | abrotman | somehow you managed to install the lenny-backports libgeoip1 on etch .. not a good plan |
| 12:33.49 | themill | lenny-backports on an etch box. where could it go wrong? |
| 12:34.03 | abrotman | themill: three turns back .. |
| 12:34.38 | Suppermann | Hi. I get only fails when im trying to update right now. Is this normal? |
| 12:34.50 | abrotman | what is the actual error ? |
| 12:35.09 | Suppermann | hold on, abrotman |
| 12:35.46 | Suppermann | it says Ign and Hit for all the urls |
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| 12:36.22 | themill | Suppermann: put the command and the entire output in a pastebin and explain what you expected to see as opposed to what you did see |
| 12:36.27 | Burn_ | abrotman: so, what should I do? |
| 12:36.27 | themill | !pastebin |
| 12:36.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 12:36.36 | raboof | wiki.debian.org supports 'Bug:debbugs' syntax, but fails on 'Bug:bugs.debian.org' because of the dots |
| 12:36.40 | raboof | is there a workaround for that? |
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| 12:38.05 | abrotman | Burn_: either use aptitude to try to downgrade whatever you shouldbn't have installed from lenny, or move the machien to lenny fully |
| 12:38.25 | Suppermann | http://pastebin.com/mf332d26 I didn't expect that, at least. I expected getting new updates (it doesnt work with the GUI updater either) |
| 12:38.40 | themill | raboof: does %2e work instead of the . ? (random guess....) |
| 12:38.45 | abrotman | Suppermann: why are you mixing lenny and sid ? |
| 12:39.29 | Suppermann | it was for a newer version of libboost*. Someone in here told me to do it |
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| 12:39.46 | xand | stabs debhelper to death. |
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| 12:39.51 | JyZyXEL | its so easy to add sid sources and get some packages from there ;) |
| 12:40.08 | themill | easy to do that, not so easy to unbreak things afterwards |
| 12:40.15 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: keep quiet |
| 12:40.19 | JyZyXEL | well yea theres that |
| 12:40.35 | Suppermann | from my sources.list: deb-src http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
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| 12:40.44 | JyZyXEL | people (like i) don't know any better |
| 12:41.01 | Suppermann | as far as I am aware, i have never used anything from that source |
| 12:41.06 | raboof | themill: hrm, that generates a working link, but shows the '%2e' on the page unfortunately |
| 12:41.20 | Titan8990_ | Suppermann, you can only download source code from a source repo like that one |
| 12:41.33 | Suppermann | yes, i know |
| 12:41.44 | Titan8990_ | Suppermann, so... apt-get source PACKAGE |
| 12:41.48 | themill | raboof: hmmm... does that moinmoin syntax allow you to specify both the text for the anchor as well as the info for the target? |
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| 12:42.02 | Titan8990_ | !tell Suppermann about ssb |
| 12:42.06 | raboof | ha, [[Bugs:bugs.debian.org]] works |
| 12:42.12 | themill | :) |
| 12:42.36 | themill | Titan8990_: boost stuff is really really difficult to backport. There's nothing "simple" about it. |
| 12:42.39 | Suppermann | anyway, what I want to know is why can't I update?? |
| 12:42.52 | raboof | is there a page documenting extensions like 'Bugs:'? |
| 12:42.52 | themill | Suppermann: what updates are you wanting? You're running stable, after all. |
| 12:43.10 | Titan8990_ | themill, i just got here, i was commenting on someone who possibly only had a src entry in their sources.list |
| 12:43.18 | Burn_ | abrotman: how can I see what's on Lenny and what's on Etch? |
| 12:43.31 | azeem | Suppermann: your paste seems to indicate that update went well; maybe you were thinking about upgrade? |
| 12:43.41 | Titan8990_ | Burn_, do /msg judd versions PACKAGE |
| 12:44.14 | Suppermann | azeem: how come the graphical UI says "Failed" for each url? |
| 12:44.24 | azeem | I don't know |
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| 12:44.37 | Burn_ | Titan8990_: can't I list it on the machine? |
| 12:44.51 | Burn_ | when I'm doing apt-get -f install, half the machine get's uninstalled |
| 12:45.05 | Suppermann | themill, i dont know. Maybe the new version for wine (the last update was broken, a package missing, apparently) |
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| 12:45.37 | Suppermann | Yes, maybe i mean upgrade, I don't know what the difference is in this context |
| 12:45.39 | themill | Suppermann: that's stuff that's out of debian though... we can't tell you if they've been updated or not. |
| 12:46.17 | themill | Suppermann: man apt-get. "update" just refreshes the list of packages. "upgrade" actually does something. Check the output "aptitude search ~U" to see what can be upgraded. |
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| 12:49.45 | joel__ | i'm trying to make a debootstrap lenny /mydir but when i do this it fails with: W: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz was corrupt |
| 12:49.45 | joel__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.46 | abrotman | Burn_: if you use aptitude, it should do a pretty good job of getting you out of the mess you made |
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| 12:50.58 | Burn_ | abrotman: I don't know how to use it |
| 12:51.06 | Burn_ | abrotman: how should I exactly use it please? |
| 12:51.07 | abrotman | you should learn .. it's not hard |
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| 12:52.25 | Burn_ | abrotman: indeed :) |
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| 12:52.42 | Burn_ | abrotman: now, I'm back on track |
| 12:52.48 | joel__ | anyone¿ |
| 12:52.49 | Burn_ | thank you |
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| 12:55.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | 256 |
| 12:55.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | bah |
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| 12:56.01 | gNewPower | Good morning friends! I have installed Debian "Lenny" 5.0.2 from a downloaded CD ISO image, and then added the US Debian mirror as a source. Now that computer does not have Internet access anymore. I do have the five Lenny 5.0.2. DVDs though. Can I use the "add CD" option in Synaptic and just add them as a source, or will that clash with the Debian mirror source? Thanks! |
| 12:56.42 | joel__ | gNewPower, you can just add them without problem. |
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| 12:57.27 | gNewPower | joel__, thanks! how will APT know to look for apps on the DVDs and not on the (now lost) network connection to the mirrors? |
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| 12:58.42 | joel__ | gNewPower, it will first look up on the DVD if the package you're looking for is not there or there is a newer version in other internet source, it will get that. |
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| 12:59.04 | gNewPower | joel__, thanks a lot for the info! |
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| 13:01.24 | DammitJim | hi all |
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| 13:01.33 | DammitJim | how can I prevent ipv6 module from loading automatically? |
| 13:01.36 | DammitJim | is that done via blacklist? |
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| 13:03.52 | rudi_s | !tell DammitJim about noipv6 |
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| 13:04.30 | DammitJim | ty rudi_s |
| 13:04.37 | rudi_s | np |
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| 13:05.53 | DammitJim | have a good day, everybody! |
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| 13:07.22 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 13:07.28 | Agiofws | is this debian realted |
| 13:07.30 | Agiofws | CArchDaemonUnix.cpp:53: error: ‘exit’ was not declared in this scope |
| 13:07.32 | Agiofws | make[3]: *** [CArchDaemonUnix.o] Error 1 |
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| 13:09.30 | Titan8990_ | not really, thats a compiler error |
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| 13:10.05 | jelly | Agiofws: when building from source, always look at the first error that happens, not the last |
| 13:10.14 | Agiofws | first error is |
| 13:10.19 | jelly | Agiofws: pastebin. |
| 13:10.25 | jelly | the complete output. |
| 13:10.39 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/60082 |
| 13:10.55 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/60083 |
| 13:10.58 | Titan8990_ | jelly, we forgot step #1.... is the app your trying to compile available via the package manager <--- |
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| 13:11.40 | Agiofws | Titan8990, it IS |
| 13:11.42 | jelly | image screenshots, srsly |
| 13:11.43 | Agiofws | but its crashing |
| 13:11.51 | Titan8990_ | jelly, lol +1 |
| 13:12.12 | Titan8990_ | copy and paste is too easy... its lame /sarcasmoff |
| 13:12.18 | jelly | Agiofws: did you install all the build dependencies beforehand? |
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| 13:12.47 | themill | jelly: you mean you don't have an OCR setup hooked up to help you with this? |
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| 13:13.13 | jelly | ‘exit’ not declared sounds like a stupid mishap with a preprocessor or missing some basic inclueds |
| 13:13.28 | jelly | themill: good thing I have X and am not blind |
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| 13:13.44 | Agiofws | jelly, when i removed it via apt-get it didn't remove any deps ... |
| 13:13.58 | jelly | Agiofws: BUILD dependencies |
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| 13:14.24 | Titan8990_ | Agiofws, the dependencies for a binary are not the same for something that is to be compiled |
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| 13:14.44 | Agiofws | Titan8990, i think i have gcc installed to compile |
| 13:14.59 | jelly | Agiofws: when you build stuff from source, you need to have lots of information for the compiler to find all the libraries external to yuor app |
| 13:15.04 | Titan8990_ | Agiofws, e.g. a package named foobar may be needed for the binary to an app but foobar-dev is required to compile it |
| 13:15.21 | jelly | Agiofws: these are called "development" headers and libraries |
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| 13:15.31 | mrec | hi, is there any transition package available which installs an entire kde desktop? |
| 13:15.39 | Agiofws | ok Build deps are not described on http://sourceforge.net/projects/synergy2/files/ |
| 13:15.41 | Agiofws | ? |
| 13:16.01 | jelly | Agiofws: Debian provides them in packages named *-dev, and they're _not_ needed for normal work, so apt-get install foo or apt-get remove foo doesn't even touch them |
| 13:16.08 | Titan8990_ | they should be in the readme or install file that game with the package |
| 13:16.16 | Titan8990_ | s/game/came |
| 13:16.44 | jelly | Agiofws: if synergy is available in debian, you can easily use Debian's apt-get build-dep packagename to fetch and install them |
| 13:17.00 | Maulkin | Agiofws: you know that synergy is packaged already, right? |
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| 13:17.28 | Maulkin | Agiofws: just 'apt-get install synergy' |
| 13:17.30 | jelly | <Agiofws> but its crashing |
| 13:17.30 | Agiofws | i know its crashing ... Maulkin |
| 13:17.42 | Maulkin | Agiofws: Have you filed a bug report? |
| 13:17.52 | Maulkin | Or had a look at the BTS? |
| 13:18.53 | Maulkin | And are you on AMD64? |
| 13:19.50 | Agiofws | no no amd64 |
| 13:20.11 | Agiofws | its crashing when i try to WRITE letters on the synergy client |
| 13:20.20 | Maulkin | <-- happens to be the synergy maintainer. |
| 13:20.20 | Agiofws | mouse works UP to that point though |
| 13:20.30 | Agiofws | very cool Maulkin |
| 13:20.39 | Agiofws | what would you like me to do then ? |
| 13:20.47 | Maulkin | Agiofws: What does "dpkg -l synergy|tail -1" say? |
| 13:20.57 | Maulkin | And "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" |
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| 13:21.21 | Maulkin | And what crashes? The client or the server? |
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| 13:21.24 | cairo__ | hi |
| 13:21.31 | Maulkin | And what are the clients and/or servers? :) |
| 13:21.32 | cairo__ | is there a way to find out how many ram modules i have in my notebook without opening it? |
| 13:21.41 | Maulkin | cairo__: dmidecode |
| 13:22.15 | Agiofws | the server (linux debian lenny) crashes and i am talking about DE freeze ... .... Not the windows client .... |
| 13:22.48 | Agiofws | i have to kill X |
| 13:22.52 | Agiofws | and restart it |
| 13:22.56 | cairo__ | Maulkin: ah, ok, thanks a lot! |
| 13:22.59 | Agiofws | http://pastebin.ca/1533796 |
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| 13:23.56 | Maulkin | Agiofws: You don't seem to have synergy installed... |
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| 13:24.42 | Agiofws | i removed it and was going to try to compile from source |
| 13:24.55 | Maulkin | Agiofws: And can you start the server from a terminal, possibly with "synergys -f -dDEBUG2" |
| 13:24.57 | DexterF | I reported a kernel bug that might have actually to do with grub - any idea how else to boot lenny if not by grub? |
| 13:25.15 | Maulkin | DexterF: you could try lilo... |
| 13:25.22 | DexterF | (possibly something like usb pendrive involving so I wont have to touch the installed system) |
| 13:25.29 | jelly | DexterF: depends on your architecture and disk setup; lilo or grub2 could work. |
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| 13:25.56 | Agiofws | i can tried that in console mode ... but when it crashes i dont get any messages but i did not uyse the debug2 option |
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| 13:26.06 | Agiofws | CArchDaemonUnix.cpp: In member function ‘virtual int CArchDaemonUnix::daemonize(const char*, int (*)(int, const char**))’: |
| 13:26.09 | DexterF | jelly: plain old ide disk |
| 13:26.28 | Agiofws | so whayt do you want me to do compile manually or reninstal ? via apt ? |
| 13:26.50 | kannan4k | hi i have one problem |
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| 13:27.01 | DexterF | I see grub2 actually is in lenny... but I have no experience with grub2 at all and as of today I couldn't get hold of any proper documentation |
| 13:27.03 | Maulkin | Agiofws: use the apt version |
| 13:27.09 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 13:28.06 | Agiofws | Unpacking synergy (from .../synergy_1.3.1-5_i386.deb) ... |
| 13:28.07 | Agiofws | ok |
| 13:28.11 | Agiofws | now start it ? |
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| 13:28.35 | kannan4k | i am install ubuntu 8.10,i have install the perl from the debian dvd.After that it makes a broken depedency,again i click to remove the perl that asks 1GB memory worth softwares goin to removed! wat can i do |
| 13:28.43 | kannan4k | help me |
| 13:28.44 | Titan8990_ | Agiofws, dpkg -C synergy* |
| 13:28.49 | themill | kannan4k: sounds like you want #ubuntu |
| 13:28.51 | Maulkin | kannan4k: try #ubuntu |
| 13:28.56 | Titan8990_ | Agiofws, which synergy; whereis synergy |
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| 13:29.04 | Titan8990_ | !tell kannan4k about ubuntu |
| 13:29.25 | stasikos | hi. is there any way to create scalable full-meshed ipsec infrastructure between n hosts? |
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| 13:29.44 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 13:29.56 | Titan8990_ | mesh and scalable in the same sentence? |
| 13:30.00 | Agiofws | that commend does not work |
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| 13:30.13 | stasikos | Titan8990_: yes |
| 13:30.13 | themill | dpkg: tell Agiofws about doesn't work |
| 13:30.16 | Maulkin | which synergy |
| 13:30.16 | Agiofws | /usr/bin/synergys |
| 13:30.16 | Agiofws | synergys: /usr/bin/synergys /usr/share/man/man1/synergys.1.gz |
| 13:30.22 | alkisg | I have a repository with educational apps, how would I put them in a CD so that apt-cdrom would be able to read the packages from it? |
| 13:30.42 | Titan8990_ | Agiofws, alright, so if /usr/bin is in your PATH, you launch with: synergys |
| 13:30.45 | Maulkin | Right, run the synergys command I showed you. Pastebin the results |
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| 13:31.01 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 13:31.54 | stasikos | Titan8990_: maybe there is a way to automatically create spd entries/manage keys from one place? |
| 13:32.12 | Fox_1_ | As I understand dpkg is the bot, so what application does that bot use? Can I use that? |
| 13:32.40 | Fox_1_ | also I need his suggestion options, but need to translate |
| 13:33.51 | Agiofws | synergys -f -d DEBUG2 --config /home/agiofws/.quicksynergy/synergy.conf ? |
| 13:33.52 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 13:34.02 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: it uses blootbot |
| 13:34.21 | Maulkin | Agiofws: see what happens |
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| 13:34.51 | Agiofws | http://pastebin.ca/1533811 Maulkin |
| 13:34.51 | papo | hello |
| 13:35.00 | Fox_1_ | thanks Maulkin |
| 13:35.13 | Agiofws | seems ok right ? |
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| 13:35.25 | Agiofws | do you want me to connect a client ? |
| 13:35.40 | Agiofws | and then start typing in the client so it crashes ? |
| 13:35.42 | papo | I'm trying to find out when security support for etch reaches EOL. Is there anything more precise around than http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan (1 year after the last stable release)? |
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| 13:36.30 | jelly | dpkg: forget jim |
| 13:36.30 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, jelly |
| 13:36.33 | budo | if i want to 'set -o vi' aif i want to 'set -o vi' as default env variable for bash on a system-wide level, i set it in /etc/profile, right ? |
| 13:36.49 | jelly | jim will never be forgotten |
| 13:36.51 | Maulkin | Agiofws: yes |
| 13:36.52 | budo | if i want to 'set -o vi' as default env variable for bash on a system-wide level, i set it in /etc/profile, right ? |
| 13:37.08 | jelly | papo: that's pretty much it |
| 13:37.14 | Maulkin | papo: That would make it February 2010 ish. |
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| 13:37.39 | Agiofws | Maulkin, ok http://pastebin.ca/1533815 |
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| 13:38.04 | themill | papo: note that some bits of etch have already lost security support, e.g. iceweasel |
| 13:38.10 | Agiofws | Maulkin, now if i start start typing from server to client via synergy my DE freezes should i test that ? |
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| 13:38.58 | Maulkin | Your DE? |
| 13:39.03 | Agiofws | desktop |
| 13:39.27 | Maulkin | Yes, please. |
| 13:39.44 | Maulkin | Which desktop? The server or the client? |
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| 13:40.06 | papo | themill: Yeah I know, I was just wondering whether debian released any statement more precise than this. I'm trying to persuade some people that they should plan the upgrade soon, and it would help if I could quote an official email stating something specific for etch |
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| 13:40.56 | papo | themill: The FAQ entry sounds a little bit sloppy (and I'm sure it is as long as the EOL date has not been determined), but if that's not the case I'll just quote the FAQ |
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| 13:41.41 | Agiofws | Maulkin, what now and what not ? |
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| 13:41.53 | Maulkin | Agiofws: Which desktop? The server or the client? |
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| 13:42.05 | Agiofws | server |
| 13:42.09 | Maulkin | That's very odd. |
| 13:42.19 | Agiofws | it does not freeze but i loose my mouse ... |
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| 13:42.29 | Agiofws | so i can't do anything |
| 13:42.30 | themill | papo: that's about it. Sarge had support for 1 week short of 12 months. |
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| 13:42.45 | Agiofws | so i have to killx |
| 13:42.49 | eshat | Hi all,... any Idea how to mount a DVD-RAM writeable ? |
| 13:42.56 | Maulkin | 'loose'? |
| 13:43.05 | whizz | my dmesg is full of these messages: [413594.730263] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:fb:00:15:99:21:10:55:08:00 SRC=10.4.3.4 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=45054 PROTO=2 |
| 13:43.07 | Agiofws | this was working before upgrading lenny to latetest |
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| 13:43.16 | themill | Agiofws: what did you upgrade? |
| 13:43.17 | whizz | what is it, and should I fix it? |
| 13:43.20 | papo | themill: ok, thank you |
| 13:43.29 | Agiofws | Maulkin, like a mousless DESKTOP ? |
| 13:43.29 | Maulkin | ... |
| 13:43.37 | Agiofws | lenny |
| 13:43.46 | Maulkin | Agiofws: Does the client have a mouse? |
| 13:43.49 | Agiofws | Maulkin, no mouse pointer |
| 13:43.52 | Agiofws | jes |
| 13:43.55 | Agiofws | yes* |
| 13:44.03 | Maulkin | And what's highlighted? Any windows? |
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| 13:44.14 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.24 | Maulkin | Which window? |
| 13:44.39 | themill | Agiofws: "[14:43] <Agiofws> this was working before upgrading lenny to latetest" precisely what did you upgrade -- from what to what? what packages? |
| 13:44.41 | rudi_s | whizz: Looks like iptables LOG rule, what's the result of iptables -vn -L |
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| 13:44.54 | Agiofws | hmm i don't remember the thing is that i cant even type in any of them ... |
| 13:44.58 | rudi_s | whizz: Better iptables -vn -L | grep LOG |
| 13:45.07 | Agiofws | themill, ALL packages ... |
| 13:45.09 | jelly | eshat: a) just mount the device with an udffs filesystem type, or b) use udftools' pktsetup and the packet device interface, but c) any error on the disk makes the kernel rather unhappy |
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| 13:45.25 | Agiofws | apt-get upgrade |
| 13:45.33 | themill | Agiofws: lenny has only had a couple of packages change since it was released in February |
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| 13:45.56 | eshat | jelly: I tried: mount -o rw -t udf /dev/cdrw /media/cdrom0 but get: "block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only" |
| 13:46.02 | whizz | rudi_s: http://pastebin.com/m4373d494 |
| 13:46.03 | jelly | eshat: I tried to use a dvd+rw medium or two and gave up, it made Linux quite unstable and had issues with not being able to cope with errors on media well |
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| 13:46.24 | itrw | Discuss anything anonymously without registering an account at the only place on the Internet where grammar, spelling and punctuation actually matters: http://www.anontalk.com/ (or https://www.anontalk.com/ for immediate encryption). A definite bookmark for every smart Internet user! No annoying ads and 100% privacy. |
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| 13:46.28 | Agiofws | well it download about 800mb of packages i think |
| 13:47.08 | papo | themill: Is there a list of packages that lost security support or is this just common knowledge? I need some arguments for these people |
| 13:47.17 | Agiofws | Maulkin, could the client be causing this ? |
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| 13:47.32 | Agiofws | syergy windows client ? |
| 13:47.37 | abrotman | themill: he was having issues with flash, tried to install flash 10 which no workie on etch .. so he went to lenny |
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| 13:48.05 | rudi_s | whizz: These are IGMP packets, you normally can just DROP them before the LOG rule. Add this before the LOG rule in your iptables script: -A INPUT -p igmp -d 224.0.0.251 -j DROP |
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| 13:48.49 | themill | abrotman: ahh... at last. At least someone has some clue wtf Agiofws has done. |
| 13:49.00 | abrotman | themill: don't blame me! |
| 13:49.18 | themill | papo: security.debian.org has a list -- there aren't many. Also /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 13:49.22 | Agiofws | abrotman, that was my other laptop not this one |
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| 13:49.51 | abrotman | oh .. i had nothing to do with this one then |
| 13:49.51 | jelly | eshat: hm, I think it worked for me both directly, and with the pkt device |
| 13:49.54 | Agiofws | ii just upgraded this one aswell like to the latest versions of lenny's apps |
| 13:49.56 | whizz | rudi_s: done, thanks |
| 13:50.07 | whizz | what are IGMP packets? |
| 13:50.07 | rudi_s | whizz: You're welcome. |
| 13:50.14 | Agiofws | hmm ok ... |
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| 13:50.22 | whizz | never mind, I'll google ;) |
| 13:50.27 | papo | themill: thank you |
| 13:50.28 | rudi_s | whizz: ;-) |
| 13:50.38 | Agiofws | Maulkin, are ya there ? |
| 13:50.40 | rudi_s | whizz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGMP |
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| 13:51.45 | whizz | rudi_s: ok, I guess I can drop them safely :) |
| 13:52.16 | rudi_s | whizz: Jep. |
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| 13:52.24 | whizz | oh, lol |
| 13:52.57 | whizz | rudi_s: now dmesg gets these: |
| 13:52.58 | whizz | [414336.814096] iptables denied: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:1c:f0:c5:c6:e7:08:00 SRC=10.4.3.2 DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=0 PROTO=2 |
| 13:53.09 | Agiofws | ok back to uninstalling and compiling from source i guess |
| 13:53.12 | rudi_s | whizz: You can drop them too, same thing. |
| 13:53.47 | jelly | "oh noes! Now my iptv doesn't work!" |
| 13:53.52 | themill | Agiofws: you never showed us the log when it was stuck |
| 13:53.57 | unseensoul | Since I upgraded my kernel version to 2.6.30 I'm getting this error "wlan0: Failed to config new BSSID to the low-level driver" everytime I try to get my wireless card to work |
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| 13:54.05 | unseensoul | Any ideas? |
| 13:54.11 | Agiofws | themill, does not show anything more ... |
| 13:54.16 | Agiofws | it gets stuck |
| 13:55.22 | Maulkin | Agiofws: |
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| 13:55.39 | themill | Agiofws: I can't see that compiling it is going to help any -- you'll just be compiling the same version. |
| 13:55.42 | Agiofws | themill, Maulkin works for mice crashes from KB input ... something to do with CHar sets or something ? |
| 13:55.55 | Agiofws | Maulkin, yes ? |
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| 13:56.24 | Agiofws | http://pastebin.ca/1533829 |
| 13:56.33 | Agiofws | themill, you never know ... |
| 13:56.39 | Maulkin | Agiofws: Try "synergys -f -dDEBUG2 2>&1 >/tmp/wibble" |
| 13:56.49 | Maulkin | Then after it crashes, pastebin /tmp/wibble |
| 13:56.54 | Agiofws | same process again ... |
| 13:56.55 | Agiofws | ok |
| 13:56.57 | Agiofws | :) |
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| 14:01.08 | Agiofws | Maulkin, ok http://pastebin.ca/1533834 |
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| 14:02.05 | Maulkin | Agiofws: Is that the whole file? |
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| 14:02.20 | Agiofws | 1) i went to terminal mode killed the process and regained my mouse ... |
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| 14:02.28 | Agiofws | and got my mouse back |
| 14:02.31 | Agiofws | no its not |
| 14:02.40 | Maulkin | I need the whole file... |
| 14:02.42 | Agiofws | you still want the whole file ? |
| 14:02.45 | Agiofws | OK OK srry |
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| 14:04.02 | Maulkin | Cofee, back in a bit |
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| 14:05.08 | Agiofws | Maulkin, won't right to file |
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| 14:09.41 | DexterF | I got 2 NICs and a dhcp router, what if I plug both NICs to the switch? safe or will that mess up my routes? |
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| 14:11.16 | kooll | DexterF: safe. But what's the goal ? |
| 14:11.35 | JyZyXEL | double the bandwidth! =D |
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| 14:12.25 | DexterF | kooll: need to test if the other nic works with the new kernel but dont wanna pluck the working iface |
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| 14:13.43 | kooll | DexterF: should be fine, then. |
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| 14:13.53 | kooll | you might have overlapping routes |
| 14:13.56 | kooll | that's all |
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| 14:14.13 | DexterF | kooll: learning things the hard way: nForce ethernet = teh suck :P |
| 14:14.22 | Maulkin | Agiofws: what error? |
| 14:14.40 | Agiofws | Maulkin, a second ... |
| 14:14.45 | Agiofws | uploading the whole file |
| 14:15.43 | DexterF | kooll: won't even detect eth0.. ethtool says no such device... idea? |
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| 14:15.53 | kooll | DexterF: missing driver |
| 14:16.05 | DexterF | kooll: forcedeth is loaded |
| 14:16.10 | JyZyXEL | ifconfig -a |
| 14:16.16 | JyZyXEL | dmesg | grep eth |
| 14:16.27 | JyZyXEL | lspci |
| 14:17.12 | DexterF | "eth0_rename_ren " eh. what? |
| 14:17.12 | Agiofws | Maulkin, http://pastebin.ca/1533850 |
| 14:17.12 | JyZyXEL | hehe |
| 14:17.12 | themill | !forcedeth mac |
| 14:17.12 | dpkg | If you're using the <forcedeth> driver and your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc), edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch), remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". See also <z25>. |
| 14:17.12 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:17.13 | Agiofws | or maybe its hidden under the existing windows i can't tell |
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| 14:17.29 | Vanscot | Mornings.. |
| 14:17.35 | DexterF | ok now I got the name. how do I force data to go over it? |
| 14:17.41 | G__81 | i want to run freemind 0.81 in debian lenny but it fails because of dependencies though i manage go install most of them through apt-get i am desparate to run freemind can someone help me on this ? |
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| 14:17.44 | Agiofws | all i know is that i have to kill synergys for it to reappear |
| 14:17.52 | Vanscot | Dont know if I should ask here, if not point me to the right place please.... |
| 14:18.07 | DexterF | Vanscot: ask. |
| 14:18.08 | Vanscot | I'm having some hard time with xine-ui and styled subs. |
| 14:18.13 | DexterF | we cant tell you if you dont |
| 14:18.42 | Maulkin | Agiofws: Looks like the client isn't returning to the server properly. Where did the client come from? |
| 14:18.44 | Vanscot | The thing is: mplayer = styled subs ok, but hd content lags like hell or massive framedropping. |
| 14:18.55 | Agiofws | source forge ... |
| 14:19.07 | Vanscot | xine-ui = plays hd content smoothly but styled subs wont render ok. |
| 14:19.19 | datacrusher | is there an easy way to install flash on debian etch 64? |
| 14:19.23 | DexterF | Vanscot: #xine. rather quiet there tho, I'd rather try their mailing list or perhaps the kaffeine-ML |
| 14:19.27 | Agiofws | give me link to install a working one or something ? |
| 14:19.46 | Agiofws | should i install an older version that 1.3.1 ? |
| 14:20.02 | diddy | I am just doing the gns3 Internet lab: I typed this in exactly as in the Tutorial but I am getting an Invalid input error. Why? Router(config)# int s0/0 |
| 14:20.16 | Vanscot | Agiofws: your synergy dies (hangs) when you're on a flash webpage? |
| 14:20.18 | Agiofws | is there not something like quick synergy for windows ? Maulkin ? |
| 14:20.23 | Vanscot | It happends the same to my. |
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| 14:20.28 | Agiofws | Vanscot, nope |
| 14:20.41 | Vanscot | oic. |
| 14:20.47 | Agiofws | when i TYPE something from server to client |
| 14:20.55 | Vanscot | DexterF: tks. |
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| 14:21.08 | teefive | hi |
| 14:21.10 | teefive | does anyone have problems with mdadm after applying dsa 1865 ? |
| 14:21.36 | fireba11 | hi, is it possible to have strings in /etc/skel that get replaced with the username when the template is used for a new user? |
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| 14:24.29 | Agiofws | Maulkin, any other ideas what i should do ? |
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| 14:27.59 | Puddin | http://rapidshare.com/files/268759879/Cisco-Mirc_Pr1v_Flooder.zip.html |
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| 14:29.50 | Ryushin | If I change /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc from ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss" to ICEWEASEL_DSP="padsp", iceweasel will no longer startup. Can someone run "padsp iceweasel" and let me know if it hangs or works. |
| 14:30.01 | Fersure | Hello. I'm running Debian 5.0.2. (Just installed it today) with KDE. My mic is very quiet on Skype and I have 'Capture' in KMix at 100. Is there any way to make it 'louder'? |
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| 14:30.33 | taraskostiak | what is default vnc client in gnome? need to recommend to friend |
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| 14:30.48 | themill | Fersure: you might have to tell skype not to mess with the mixer levels automatically. It does a pretty poor job of that sometimes |
| 14:31.01 | jelly | Fersure: run alsamixer. play with any Mic or Mic Gain settings |
| 14:31.03 | abrotman | taraskostiak: probably vino |
| 14:31.17 | Fersure | themill: Yes. I already did that. And the volume is staying at 100 all the time but it's very quiet. |
| 14:31.27 | Fersure | jelly: Okay. ty |
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| 14:31.52 | Fersure | I don't seem to have a "Mic Gain" channel in alsamixer. o.o |
| 14:32.39 | jelly | if you make it only display the input channels (press F4), what _do_ you see? |
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| 14:33.38 | _2 | am i the only nut that changes the name of the superuser account ? |
| 14:33.38 | Fersure | Oh, yay. Found out how in alsamixer. Apparently KMix's view of Capture's '100' is alsamixer's view of '50'. Odd. |
| 14:34.01 | Agiofws | Maulkin, older version still did not work |
| 14:34.06 | Agiofws | 1.3.0 that is |
| 14:34.14 | Agiofws | you think its a network problem ? |
| 14:35.02 | abrotman | _2: no, other people do also |
| 14:35.44 | jelly | makes sense in windows. For unix, ... I don't think so. |
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| 14:36.06 | jelly | uid 0 is uid 0, no matter the name |
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| 14:36.42 | _2 | abrotman mount is failing me with "must be ran by root" |
| 14:36.47 | _2 | jelly ^ |
| 14:36.49 | fas3r | my sound card work in root but not in user .. i need to give right to users but on what ? /dev/dsp ? |
| 14:37.15 | jelly | _2, yeah well |
| 14:37.23 | jelly | "don't do that then" |
| 14:37.34 | Titan8990_ | fas3r, adduser $USER audio ? |
| 14:37.39 | straw | fas3r: your user should be in the "audio" group |
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| 14:38.44 | Agiofws | Maulkin, itr can't be the client cause i even tried version 1.26 |
| 14:38.53 | Agiofws | still does the same ... when i try to type |
| 14:39.00 | Agiofws | this is really strange ... |
| 14:39.15 | Agiofws | could it be the char setups of the KB's ? or something ? |
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| 14:41.07 | fas3r | ho .. ok i don't know i check nd test |
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| 14:44.03 | D3L3T3 | hi ! |
| 14:44.03 | D3L3T3 | ^^ |
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| 14:49.13 | mrec | hi, does anyone know is there any tool available for setting up wpa/wlan on the console? |
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| 14:51.48 | alkisg | I have a repository with educational apps, how would I put them in a DVD so that apt-cdrom would be able to read the packages from it? |
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| 14:56.51 | |Scorp| | hello |
| 14:57.58 | |Scorp| | how install tvtuner for express card 34mm? |
| 14:59.10 | peterrooney | alkisg: dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources |
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| 14:59.55 | alkisg | peterrooney: I already have them in a repository, do I just need to put /dist and /pool folders in the DVD? |
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| 15:00.25 | alkisg | I'm reading about a "disk/" folder in apt-cdrom man page, and I can't find info about it... |
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| 15:03.06 | gNewPower | Hi, were can I download a DVD with all the non-free Debian applications for Lenny 5.0.2? |
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| 15:03.46 | ajavid | gNewPower, The official CDs may freely be used, copied and sold by anyone anywhere in the world. Packages of the "non-free" category have restrictions that conflict with this, so these packages are not placed on the official CDs. |
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| 15:04.06 | ajavid | gNewPower, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#nonfree |
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| 15:04.41 | gNewPower | ajavid, thanks, let me read up on this |
| 15:04.43 | gNewPower | brb |
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| 15:05.21 | gNewPower | ajavid, it says "Sometimes, someone is kind enough to create unofficial non-free CDs". where can I find them? |
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| 15:06.41 | s4br3 | Hi, I have a system with the latest Debian testing, 2.6.30 from Sid, ext4, and a Radeon 4870. What are chances for me to get fglrx working? I have failed for days now... Is it supported? |
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| 15:09.21 | ajavid | s4br3, it requires a patch to modify pci address and a couple of other things for .29/.30 |
| 15:09.36 | ajavid | s4br3, I believe the fglrx in sid has been patched |
| 15:09.50 | s4br3 | ajavid: is that available in the standard repositories? |
| 15:09.53 | ajavid | s4br3, no |
| 15:10.01 | s4br3 | :( ... |
| 15:10.10 | ajavid | !tell s4br3 -about non-free |
| 15:10.26 | s4br3 | BTW, I did install fglrx form Sid |
| 15:10.45 | ajavid | I don't know much about fglrx, I refuse to use it |
| 15:11.04 | gNewPower | ajavid, looks that both s4br3 and I need non-free stuff. is there CD/DVD out there with can be downloaded with these? |
| 15:11.11 | ajavid | check the fglrx sid changelogs, see if the patch was applied, if not, go to #ati |
| 15:11.20 | ajavid | gNewPower, no. |
| 15:11.31 | gNewPower | hmm |
| 15:11.36 | gNewPower | that is strange |
| 15:11.42 | elik | gNewPower, nicely slipped into the conversation :D |
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| 15:12.12 | gNewPower | Lenny includes opening books for a chess engine which is non-free and therefore missing. but the opening book is there. Weird, no? |
| 15:12.25 | ajavid | !contrib |
| 15:12.25 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [etch|lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
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| 15:12.56 | gNewPower | ajavid, yep. that is what this is. |
| 15:13.10 | gNewPower | !non-free |
| 15:13.10 | dpkg | well, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 15:13.34 | gNewPower | !non-free sources |
| 15:13.35 | dpkg | non-free sources is, like, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
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| 15:13.58 | ajavid | !tell gNewPower -about selftell |
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| 15:14.08 | ajavid | !tell gNewPower -about msg the bot |
| 15:14.25 | mrec | is there any userfriendly commandline wlan configuration tool availalbe? |
| 15:14.38 | ajavid | mrec, iwconfig |
| 15:14.43 | mrec | for wpa? |
| 15:14.45 | mrec | a nightmare |
| 15:14.49 | ajavid | I dunno nothing about wpa |
| 15:14.53 | ajavid | !wpa |
| 15:14.54 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 15:15.01 | gNewPower | thanks ajavid ! |
| 15:15.32 | cantoma | hey guys, how to find in my disk files that have extension .m ?? |
| 15:15.41 | s4br3 | ajavid: Thanks! |
| 15:15.47 | elik | cantoma, find / -name *.m |
| 15:15.49 | gNewPower | locate *,m |
| 15:15.52 | gNewPower | sorry |
| 15:15.54 | ajavid | cantoma, man find |
| 15:15.56 | gNewPower | locate *.m |
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| 15:16.08 | ajavid | for locate, install locate and as root: updatedb |
| 15:16.14 | ajavid | then you can use locate |
| 15:16.21 | cantoma | thanks guys .. find works |
| 15:16.34 | gNewPower | cheers everybody! |
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| 15:17.00 | elik | cantoma, but locate is more efficient, as it uses an index |
| 15:17.09 | elik | cantoma, so you can learn to use both |
| 15:17.16 | themill | or mlocate rather than locate |
| 15:17.25 | elik | or slocate |
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| 15:17.38 | ajavid | themill, morning |
| 15:17.43 | cantoma | elik, but i don't want to search in all disk |
| 15:17.53 | elik | cantoma, find . |
| 15:17.56 | themill | elik: slocate is dead and removed from debian; replaced by mlocate |
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| 15:18.27 | themill | g'day ajavid |
| 15:18.29 | elik | cantoma, you did say you wanted to search the disk though... |
| 15:18.47 | jhutchins_lt | cantoma: man find. It'll let you specify where to start the search. |
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| 15:18.57 | elik | themill, removed from debian? |
| 15:19.04 | todd-- | Hello. How do I execute a script and make sure it doesn't timeout? |
| 15:19.08 | todd-- | a php script |
| 15:19.10 | themill | judd: versions slocate |
| 15:19.10 | judd | themill: slocate -- etch: 3.1-1 |
| 15:19.15 | themill | elik: ^^ |
| 15:19.17 | ajavid | todd--, you don't want that |
| 15:19.17 | cantoma | yes its fine guys find /whatever -name *.m works |
| 15:19.33 | todd-- | ajavvid, say I do want it? |
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| 15:19.38 | todd-- | how would it be done |
| 15:19.42 | todd-- | i've done it before, just don't remember |
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| 15:19.52 | ajavid | todd--, but if you insist, edit respective php file , /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini or /etc/php5/cli/php.ini and change the max execute time on script |
| 15:19.53 | elik | themill, hum, I still have it... and I have a system that was installed with lenny when it was still testing.. |
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| 15:20.28 | themill | elik: /msg dpkg obsolete ; when things get removed from the repository they don't necessarily get removed from your machine |
| 15:20.30 | ajavid | todd--, the exact option can be asked for in ##php (I don't remmeber off the top of my head) |
| 15:20.42 | zmen01 | I like to put a debian virtual machine inside some isolation, so that the OS + all it's application can only communicate internally with 192.168.1.60 and 192.168.1.52 - is there some tool that can restrict this? so i am talking about all possible protocols, ssh/apache/mysql etc |
| 15:20.54 | ajavid | todd--, http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.set-time-limit.php |
| 15:20.59 | zmen01 | no outside ips, only those internally TO and FROM |
| 15:20.59 | elik | themill, ok.. and I guess it was in lenny at some point before being puller |
| 15:21.03 | elik | pulled* |
| 15:21.13 | ajavid | todd--, http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.set-time-limit.php |
| 15:21.17 | ajavid | iios |
| 15:21.18 | ajavid | oops |
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| 15:21.19 | themill | elik: yes. It was finally removed just before lenny was released |
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| 15:21.32 | todd-- | ajavid: it can be done with the command line |
| 15:21.35 | Vanscot | ohaithere.. |
| 15:21.44 | ajavid | todd--, http://us2.php.net/manual/en/info.configuration.php#ini.max-execution-time |
| 15:21.44 | todd-- | like php -asdf hello.php |
| 15:21.51 | Vanscot | bluethoot seems broken on testing. |
| 15:21.55 | ajavid | todd--, no |
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| 15:22.07 | ajavid | todd--, it can be done via script itself, php_ini_set() |
| 15:22.20 | ajavid | todd--, php -r blah.php (where blah.php contains php |
| 15:22.27 | ajavid | php_ini_set() |
| 15:22.33 | ajavid | set the value of max execute time here |
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| 15:23.06 | Vanscot | bluetoothd[9372]: Unable to get on D-Bus |
| 15:23.07 | Vanscot | :-7 |
| 15:23.13 | todd-- | ajavid: thanks |
| 15:23.46 | ajavid | todd--, you can also have a interactive php shell env. |
| 15:24.10 | ajavid | todd--, get the php5-common source package and rebuild with --with-readline |
| 15:24.15 | todd-- | heh |
| 15:24.23 | todd-- | it's an easier way, i've done it before |
| 15:24.46 | ajavid | there is an easier way than using php_ini_set() or modifying php.ini ? |
| 15:24.47 | ajavid | really? |
| 15:24.50 | ajavid | I'd love to know it. |
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| 15:25.48 | todd-- | ajavid: yeah because sometimes you don't have access to ini files |
| 15:25.57 | todd-- | and if you did it would require a reboot |
| 15:26.07 | todd-- | and i am only running this script once |
| 15:26.10 | themill | it doesn't require a reboot |
| 15:26.11 | themill | todd--: you can set it in your /etc/php5/cli/php.ini or something like: php -r "ini_set('max_execution_time', 10000); include 'yourfile.php';" |
| 15:26.12 | ajavid | are you an idiot? |
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| 15:26.27 | ajavid | themill, I just told him to do all those things |
| 15:26.32 | abrotman | maybe he should be asking ##php ? |
| 15:26.35 | todd-- | i did |
| 15:26.36 | ajavid | themill, no need to repeat, obviously he can't read |
| 15:26.39 | themill | or you could have your own custom php.ini and source that from the command line |
| 15:26.39 | todd-- | there's an easier way, i'll find it |
| 15:26.40 | ajavid | abrotman, I told him that too |
| 15:26.55 | abrotman | and then proceeded to throw out all that other stuff :) |
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| 15:27.10 | ajavid | im bored |
| 15:27.16 | Vanscot | Help me out then.. |
| 15:27.17 | Vanscot | xD |
| 15:27.21 | ajavid | whas up |
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| 15:27.30 | Vanscot | Debian Testing, bluetooth broken.. |
| 15:27.33 | ajavid | I don't do blue teeth |
| 15:27.34 | Vanscot | bluetoothd[9372]: Unable to get on D-Bus |
| 15:27.41 | themill | ajavid: neither of the options I provided were the same as the ones you did, but you can believe they're the same if you like. |
| 15:27.46 | peterrooney | arrgh, my terminal isn't reading arrow keys, and things like aptitude and alsamixer are only accepting vi style cursor movement! crazymaking. |
| 15:28.05 | ajavid | 10:24 < ajavid> there is an easier way than using php_ini_set() or modifying php.ini ? |
| 15:28.27 | Vanscot | ajavid: what's your problem? |
| 15:28.32 | Vanscot | I mean, with php. |
| 15:28.38 | ajavid | none. |
| 15:28.49 | jelly | it's not his problem that's being discussed, it's todd--'s |
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| 15:28.57 | ajavid | 10:20 < ajavid> todd--, the exact option can be asked for in ##php |
| 15:29.03 | EagleScreen | can I configure pbuilder to use debootstrap intead of cdebootstrap? |
| 15:29.03 | Vanscot | Oh, I see. |
| 15:29.08 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.10 | todd-- | ajavid: i'm looking for some help with my crons. They are firing |
| 15:29.13 | ajavid | and so forth and so on. |
| 15:29.33 | ajavid | you told him to include the iniset function in the commandline, I just said to put it in script |
| 15:29.36 | ajavid | hardly any difference |
| 15:29.55 | themill | except it means you don't have to modify the script which may be an important requirement |
| 15:30.02 | ajavid | they may not be specified the same as, but its the same function, and as a php dev he should know this, if not, go to ##php |
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| 15:30.05 | ajavid | like I siad. |
| 15:30.23 | ajavid | themill, I didn't think about that one |
| 15:30.26 | ajavid | themill, good point |
| 15:30.29 | jelly | at least they're not putting wget http://theverysamemachine/.../blah.php in cron to fire off a job ;-) |
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| 15:31.08 | themill | jelly: `wget -O - http://..../something ` :) |
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| 15:31.49 | jelly | themill: > /dev/null 2>&1 ... I'm omitting that for brevity |
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| 15:32.04 | themill | err no, the ` ` are intentional |
| 15:32.18 | jelly | oh, haven't seen that one yet |
| 15:32.22 | themill | has |
| 15:32.27 | themill | *shudder* |
| 15:32.40 | todd-- | ajavid: ok you were right and I was wrong. Simply add set_time_limit(0); to the top of my php script |
| 15:32.46 | jelly | a subshell never hurt anyone! |
| 15:32.55 | peterrooney | jelly: don't give ideas. |
| 15:32.58 | ajavid | todd--, its not a matter of right and wrong |
| 15:33.07 | ajavid | todd--, but yes, I know usually what I am speaking of. |
| 15:33.19 | ajavid | todd--, there are times when I'm mistaken, but far and few between |
| 15:33.19 | todd-- | Does anyone know why my crons aren't firing and how to troubleshoot? |
| 15:33.20 | ajavid | :) |
| 15:33.28 | jelly | ajavid: you're also very humble! |
| 15:33.43 | ajavid | jelly, I am humble, but I am also self-confident |
| 15:33.50 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 15:33.51 | todd-- | jelly: i used to do that, but I know not to anymore. |
| 15:33.53 | justin | todd--: cron jobs, not 'crons' |
| 15:34.02 | todd-- | justin: thanks |
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| 15:34.17 | ajavid | todd--, what exactly is the problem |
| 15:34.20 | todd-- | The people at dreamhost don't know what the problem is |
| 15:34.24 | ajavid | !tell todd-- -about ask |
| 15:34.26 | justin | todd--: since I don't see where you have posted your crontab file anywhere, I don't see how we could help |
| 15:34.34 | peterrooney | todd--: the most obvious question is, did you use crontab -e or did you manually edit crontab |
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| 15:34.48 | todd-- | I used crontab -e... it used to work but it stopped working |
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| 15:35.18 | Titan8990_ | !tell todd-- about doesn't work |
| 15:35.23 | ajavid | jelly, I know what I know. |
| 15:35.27 | aljosa | anybody knows pypi.python.org name for python subversion bindings, also known as python-subversion package in debian? |
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| 15:35.47 | abrotman | just don't ask ajavid about the 'dpkg' header and package states |
| 15:35.53 | ajavid | lol |
| 15:35.55 | ajavid | asshol |
| 15:35.57 | ajavid | :) |
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| 15:36.06 | justin | aljosa: not every python package is on pypi |
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| 15:36.14 | ajavid | I still vote: its unclear, and if it was clear, fxini would have figured it out |
| 15:36.20 | todd-- | Is there a way to troubleshoot a cron job? Perhaps see the output? Force an execution? |
| 15:36.23 | ajavid | oh, and that other guy |
| 15:36.34 | abrotman | even though everyone else figured it out ... |
| 15:36.43 | ajavid | go read the logs dude |
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| 15:36.49 | ajavid | you have no idea wtf you're on about. |
| 15:36.53 | abrotman | yes, i do |
| 15:36.58 | ajavid | no you dont |
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| 15:37.05 | Woodi | todd--: modify script to redirect to some file |
| 15:37.14 | themill | Can we not try to give ajavid reading comprehension lessons in #d again? |
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| 15:37.29 | Woodi | todd--: sometimes cron send mails with output |
| 15:37.40 | todd-- | Woodi: i have it setup to send mail using MAILTO="" |
| 15:37.43 | Woodi | check root/admin mailbox maybe |
| 15:37.47 | jelly | todd--: the output is sent by mail to the user by default. man 5 crontab will tell you to put a MAILTO = blah variable in a user's crontab to specify an alternate address |
| 15:37.51 | todd-- | ok Woodi |
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| 15:38.08 | Titan8990_ | todd--, no, by default it will put it in /var/spool/mail/$USER |
| 15:38.36 | Titan8990_ | todd--, you have to direct output to /dev/null or something to prevent it from mailing you |
| 15:38.43 | todd-- | Titan8990_: my /var/spool/mail/ is empty |
| 15:39.02 | jelly | todd--: note: crontab file is _not_ a shell script... you can't use STUFF=$OTHERSTUFF |
| 15:39.22 | Woodi | todd--: maybe put commands to script and redirect output where you want it |
| 15:39.23 | Titan8990_ | jelly, lol was there a pastebin I missed that included that? |
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| 15:40.07 | ajavid | themill, so if it was unclear to me, how was I able to tell that to fxini who found it unclear? Some other guy confirmed my findings as well, I simply pointed out, that if it was obvious, those two very knowledgable debian guys would have figured it out. I was the one who helped him out piece together that info yet I'm the one who doesn't know? right. great job reading the logs. |
| 15:40.08 | jelly | and you may put spaces around =, so a line like this works ==> MAILTO = user@example.org <== |
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| 15:40.26 | todd-- | i'll paste my crontab |
| 15:40.28 | jelly | Titan8990_: no, but it's a mistake I've seen more than once |
| 15:40.36 | themill | huh? |
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| 15:41.31 | ajavid | themill, looks like you and abrotman need a reading comprehension lesson. |
| 15:41.42 | jelly | blinks |
| 15:41.52 | themill | wonders wtf ajavid is on about |
| 15:42.02 | themill | s/about// ? |
| 15:42.16 | jelly | he's totally clean! |
| 15:43.26 | carlosV2 | hi! i've a problem with bluez-gnome and gnome-bluetooth packages. when i try to install one of them, it unistall the other one. i've seen in many web pages that i need both packages. whan can i do to install bluez-gnome and gnome-bluetooth? thank you |
| 15:43.33 | todd-- | Here is my crontab http://pastebin.com/d27510372 |
| 15:44.15 | justin | oh wtf |
| 15:44.49 | jelly | todd--: multiple MAILTOs don't work |
| 15:45.04 | pickcoder | todd--: IIRC crontabs do not execute in order so you can not specify env vars like that |
| 15:45.21 | pickcoder | you need to put it in a bash script or use cron.d |
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| 15:45.41 | abrotman | ajavid: i've been trying to ignore you for days .. but you just keep going on and on |
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| 15:45.47 | Titan8990_ | todd--, use an alias if you need it to go to multiple locations |
| 15:45.50 | salvin | carlosV2, why do you need both packages? |
| 15:45.51 | todd-- | pickcoder: what event vars? |
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| 15:46.08 | themill | todd--: unsetting MAILTO doesn't seem that pleasant either. And I don't know if crontab likes quotes around the value like that |
| 15:46.21 | pickcoder | create a specific cron-part directory if needed for 5-min and bihourly |
| 15:46.25 | jelly | wonders about */60 in the minute column |
| 15:46.29 | carlosV2 | salvin: i need both packages to set-up bluetooth services on my computer |
| 15:46.31 | Titan8990_ | jelly, lol you were right it looks like |
| 15:46.34 | pickcoder | todd--: env == environment |
| 15:46.35 | todd-- | this all used to work fine by the way |
| 15:46.41 | todd-- | but i'll make those changes |
| 15:46.47 | abrotman | jelly: as opposed to just "*" ? |
| 15:47.06 | jelly | abrotman: as opposed to just 0 |
| 15:47.08 | themill | Using the cgi version of php to do this seems rather crazy too |
| 15:47.15 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.35 | abrotman | jelly: oh .. uhm .. what about leap seconds? |
| 15:47.41 | pickcoder | leaps |
| 15:47.42 | jelly | MINUTES |
| 15:47.53 | carlosV2 | salvin: i've seen in web pages that i need these packages. for example, now, i've installed gnome-bluetooth and i can send files but not recieve :S |
| 15:47.53 | jelly | pickcoder: someone at Dreamhost either has a very special version of cron, or is smoking pot |
| 15:48.14 | pickcoder | or both |
| 15:48.16 | abrotman | jelly: yes .. but when there are leap seconds added .. how does the clock respond? with a skew? |
| 15:48.19 | jelly | ... or the comments are lying about those lines being the provider's fault |
| 15:48.22 | todd-- | themill: so i'm guessing i should point directly to my php |
| 15:48.34 | todd-- | instead of the cgi-bin version which i'm guessing is just for the web? |
| 15:48.38 | jelly | abrotman: there are no leap minutes |
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| 15:48.42 | carlosV2 | salvin: i've debian testing installed |
| 15:48.48 | abrotman | jelly: did'nt imply there were |
| 15:48.54 | abrotman | i don't think |
| 15:49.03 | Vanscot | Arrgh.. |
| 15:49.06 | jelly | abrotman: I don't see how leap seconds are an issue with cron |
| 15:49.13 | themill | todd--: /usr/bin/php is available in debian. And I don't know why you'd run it through sh -c either |
| 15:49.20 | Vanscot | Seems like the problem was that I wasn't on the bluethoot group, relogin... |
| 15:49.24 | abrotman | i asked you if they skew .. you seem to think they do from what it sounds like |
| 15:49.38 | jelly | themill: most providers provide own, working build of php, for their own sanity sake |
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| 15:50.00 | themill | jelly: yeah... but the cgi version for a cli script is a bit screwy |
| 15:50.09 | salvin | carlosV2, gnome-bluethoot depends from bluez-gnome |
| 15:50.14 | Deepa_ | Does the cgi version even work for a cli script? |
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| 15:50.33 | todd-- | yeah it works |
| 15:50.35 | jelly | Deepa_: if you give it the right enviroment variables to fake a CGI session, sure :-) |
| 15:50.36 | themill | Deepa_: it can be compiled to do so, yes |
| 15:50.42 | jelly | that too |
| 15:50.45 | salvin | carlosV2, it's a bug of squeeze |
| 15:50.56 | SlayerXP | themill: i'd just showed your crontab to my sysadmin team |
| 15:51.00 | todd-- | /usr/bin/php on my box is php4 and I need php5 |
| 15:51.02 | todd-- | so i built my own |
| 15:51.02 | jelly | hasn't built php in a long time |
| 15:51.04 | carlosV2 | salvin: doh! |
| 15:51.09 | themill | SlayerXP: not mine! |
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| 15:51.19 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 15:51.24 | SlayerXP | err todd, I meant |
| 15:51.26 | carlosV2 | salvin: have you any idea what can i do? |
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| 15:51.35 | eptalon | how od I get my debian to automatically mount usb devices? |
| 15:51.38 | SlayerXP | i promised them one cookie per FAIL spotted |
| 15:51.39 | Woodi | SlayerXP: and ? :) |
| 15:51.46 | SlayerXP | we're currently in double figures of cookies |
| 15:51.46 | themill | SlayerXP: heh |
| 15:51.54 | Woodi | ahh |
| 15:52.09 | eptalon | I formatted an usb stick (fat32 by accident); since then the thing no longer mounts on my xfce desktop |
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| 15:53.11 | salvin | carlosV2, ops |
| 15:53.36 | raboof | http://wiki.debian.org/Games/WNPP mentions it was generated, but what was it generated from/with? |
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| 15:53.43 | Vanscot | Nop, it wasn't that.. |
| 15:53.47 | salvin | carlosV2, gnome-bluetooth is a fork of bluez-gnome |
| 15:53.51 | carlosV2 | salvin: http://img231.imageshack.us/i/deletei.png/ ("Para ser eliminado:" -> "To be deleted") |
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| 15:54.28 | salvin | carlosV2, http://live.gnome.org/GnomeBluetooth |
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| 15:55.03 | todd-- | SlayerXP how about you guys edit it and paste back |
| 15:55.04 | Agiofws | Maulkin, are you there did you find a solution ? |
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| 15:55.25 | todd-- | i really doubt this is the actual problem, i believe this isn't even being RAN |
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| 15:55.32 | todd-- | because like I said it's worked before |
| 15:55.48 | todd-- | but i am interested in seeing what problems there are |
| 15:56.04 | themill | raboof: according to the page history, there's a wnpp_game_search script. You will probably find it in the debian-games alioth repo somewhere. Perhaps. |
| 15:56.05 | carlosV2 | salvin: i've seen that page. i have gnome-bluetooth already installed (not bluez-gnome (i can't)) but i can't connect devices, set-up services, etc... |
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| 15:56.41 | Woodi | todd--: do you make some changes and then it stop working ? |
| 15:57.00 | todd-- | yeah i started cleaning house on my server |
| 15:57.12 | todd-- | i deleted a bunch of domains that I wasn't using anymore, users, crons of those users |
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| 15:57.16 | todd-- | databases |
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| 15:57.29 | todd-- | that's it |
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| 15:58.12 | carlosV2 | salvin: ok, don't worry. thank you very much for your interest |
| 15:58.12 | Woodi | todd--: but tell us what stop working. for now we just checking syntax of cron file.. |
| 15:58.23 | Vanscot | carlosV2... |
| 15:58.27 | SlayerXP | todd--: we're especially fond of "*/60" |
| 15:58.32 | Vanscot | I'm having a problem alike... |
| 15:58.40 | SlayerXP | even more so because of the later "5,10,15,20...." |
| 15:58.43 | carlosV2 | hi Vanscot |
| 15:58.44 | Vanscot | But in kde, it wont autoconfig my bluethoot adapter. |
| 15:58.46 | todd-- | i no longer receive emails and my crons aren't doing what they're supposed to indicating they aren't being ran |
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| 15:59.04 | Vanscot | (It used to do so, but not anymore) |
| 15:59.07 | todd-- | cron jobs* |
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| 15:59.32 | Vanscot | I'm getting "Unable to get on D-bus" error. |
| 15:59.33 | Vanscot | :-7 |
| 15:59.35 | Woodi | todd--: maybe touch /var/mail/cron ? and chown it for crom user ? |
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| 16:00.49 | jelly | todd--: 1) sanitize your crontab. This means one MAILTO= line for a start. 2) what is */60 supposed to do? |
| 16:01.24 | pppoe_dude | any ideas about manual fan control? |
| 16:01.31 | pppoe_dude | how would one go about that |
| 16:01.38 | todd-- | Someone told me to put that there when I asked for help. It's supposed to reset the round every friday at 11:00PM |
| 16:01.53 | themill | pppoe_dude: you feed the hamster more or less feed depending on how fast you want it to go |
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| 16:01.59 | carlosV2 | Vanscot: "Seems like the problem was that I wasn't on the bluethoot group, relogin..." <- this was to me? |
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| 16:02.15 | Vanscot | Nop.. |
| 16:02.17 | Vanscot | It was to me.. |
| 16:02.22 | carlosV2 | a ok :P |
| 16:02.24 | Vanscot | But didn't work out. |
| 16:02.25 | Vanscot | :-7 |
| 16:02.31 | Vanscot | You could try it, but dunno. |
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| 16:02.36 | pppoe_dude | themill, lol |
| 16:02.53 | jelly | todd--: this is usually written as 0 23 * * 5, not */60 23 * * 5 ... while */60 might work, it really makes no sense |
| 16:03.00 | pppoe_dude | i was hoping there was something like echo max> /dev/fan |
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| 16:03.19 | jelly | todd--: were these lines written by a human or generated using a tool |
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| 16:03.34 | todd-- | generated |
| 16:03.38 | todd-- | by Dreamhost |
| 16:03.39 | carlosV2 | Vanscot, what version of debian do you have? can you install both packages (bluez-gnome and gnome-bluetooth)? |
| 16:03.52 | Vanscot | Testing, on kde... |
| 16:04.16 | jelly | todd--: which debian is this supposed to be? Do you have root access? |
| 16:04.22 | todd-- | yeah i have root |
| 16:04.33 | carlosV2 | ok jeje |
| 16:04.41 | Hideme | When doing a dist-upgrade the system wanted to update serveral config files (such as exim & apache). I was asked if I wanted to update or keep my current or use the new ones. Was it wrong to keep current (the default)? |
| 16:04.50 | carlosV2 | could be the temporary solution is install the kde packages |
| 16:05.06 | jelly | todd--: paste the output of " dpkg -l libc6 cron | tail -2 " |
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| 16:05.30 | todd-- | do i need to be root? |
| 16:05.39 | jelly | not for that one |
| 16:05.47 | todd-- | ii cron 3.0pl1-100 management of regular background processing |
| 16:05.56 | todd-- | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:06.48 | jelly | todd--: does sending mail to your cron address manually work? |
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| 16:07.06 | todd-- | yep |
| 16:07.24 | jelly | todd--: where does that mail arrive? |
| 16:07.28 | todd-- | in my inbox |
| 16:07.34 | jelly | where is that inbox? |
| 16:07.43 | todd-- | my Mail.app on my computer... It's gmail |
| 16:07.48 | peterrooney | is there any way to make aptitude use vi keybindings for navigation, instead of arrow keys (not 'in addition to arrow keys') |
| 16:07.58 | todd-- | you think spam is picking it up? |
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| 16:08.08 | jelly | todd--: have you checked? |
| 16:08.37 | peterrooney | Hideme: not "wrong", but you did make a policy decision. |
| 16:08.42 | Vanscot | Argh.. |
| 16:08.47 | Vanscot | I need my bluez!!! |
| 16:08.47 | todd-- | let me check now |
| 16:09.03 | carlosV2 | Vanscot, what is your problem with bluez? |
| 16:09.03 | jelly | todd--: checking the MTA logs on your machine will confirm whether there were any mails sent to that address or not at all |
| 16:09.15 | todd-- | MTA? |
| 16:09.24 | jelly | todd--: mail server. |
| 16:09.27 | Woodi | todd--: maybe line # |
| 16:09.29 | Woodi | MAILTO="" |
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| 16:09.38 | Woodi | deletes cron address ? |
| 16:09.40 | Vanscot | Well, it's not autoconfiguring the adapter, so no bluethoot playgroung for me. |
| 16:09.50 | todd-- | perhaps |
| 16:09.52 | carlosV2 | driver problem? |
| 16:09.55 | jelly | Woodi: he was already told to fix that and leave only one MAILTO line |
| 16:09.57 | Vanscot | *playground |
| 16:10.05 | Vanscot | Unable to get on D-Bus.. |
| 16:10.13 | Vanscot | That te error I get. |
| 16:10.16 | Vanscot | *the |
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| 16:10.40 | Woodi | jelly: yea. but todd-- do not confirm he do this... |
| 16:11.12 | slidesinger | is there a way to disable status messages on all but tty1? |
| 16:11.18 | todd-- | nope, not in spam |
| 16:11.29 | carlosV2 | uff... sorry, i've no idea for that :S |
| 16:11.32 | todd-- | jelly i have not done that yet, doing so now |
| 16:11.41 | Vanscot | Nor do I. |
| 16:11.42 | Vanscot | :-7 |
| 16:11.50 | jelly | slidesinger: "status"? |
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| 16:12.00 | Hideme | peterrooney: If I said yes to installing the new configs, it would have overwritten everything and I'd have to re-configure from scratch though, right? |
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| 16:12.38 | Woodi | Hideme: right |
| 16:13.22 | peterrooney | Hideme: yes. that's why i keep a copy of all files that i edit safely ensconsed in a separate directory. |
| 16:13.24 | Woodi | Hideme: diff copy can help a little |
| 16:13.34 | jelly | slidesinger: an example or three might help to understand the issue better |
| 16:13.41 | Hideme | Woodi: So when exim or apache wants to upgrade like that then I need to set it all up again? |
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| 16:14.05 | slidesinger | e.g. ide: failed opcode was: unknown trying to recover data and need to have a clear tty to work on. |
| 16:14.05 | johnc | How can I grab the attention of another user on a system where I am root remotely? |
| 16:14.18 | Woodi | usually but lastly it's less paintfull becouse of modularized configs in apache |
| 16:14.20 | themill | Hideme: many/most packages in debian provide a means of combining your own configs with your custom configs. |
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| 16:14.43 | jelly | !printk |
| 16:14.44 | dpkg | i guess printk is see docs for sysctl and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See linux/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
| 16:14.52 | Hideme | Right now exim isn't working and aptitude is reporting it as 1 of 19 packages that is partially installed or configured. How can I fix that? |
| 16:14.54 | carlosV2 | well, one reason more to format hehe. thak you very much, salvin and Vanscot :) bye |
| 16:14.56 | themill | Hideme: e.g. /etc/apache/conf.d is for site-wide snippets and sites-available for vhost-specific snippets |
| 16:15.08 | jelly | slidesinger: ^^ that's the tunable to make the kernel more quiet |
| 16:15.11 | Vanscot | carlosV2: bye.. |
| 16:15.17 | Vanscot | Say.. |
| 16:15.27 | todd-- | jelly: ok I just did a very basic crontab without locks, with only one command, with MAILTO="cron@example.com" |
| 16:15.32 | Vanscot | You dont get any error when installing gnome-bluez and that? |
| 16:16.06 | todd-- | and i'm no longer using the CGI version |
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| 16:16.17 | carlosV2 | no, i've no problems to install any package but i can't install the two packages at same time |
| 16:16.18 | slidesinger | jelly: can't I just direct all that stuff to tty1 only? |
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| 16:16.36 | todd-- | are spaces allowed in crontabs? |
| 16:16.42 | todd-- | i mean new lines without # |
| 16:16.44 | Hideme | themill ok, understood. Is there a way to re-run the install so it prompts me for the configuration question again? Aptitude is reporting 19 packages that are partially installed or not configured. |
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| 16:17.14 | jelly | slidesinger: afaik, choosing the console device for kernel output is a boot-only option |
| 16:17.28 | bigpresh | todd--: yes, blank lines are fine |
| 16:17.29 | Vanscot | Weird.. |
| 16:17.29 | themill | Hideme: "aptitude -f install" is the first step. You may need to "dpkg-reconfigure packagename" |
| 16:17.40 | Vanscot | carlosV2 .... |
| 16:17.50 | bigpresh | todd--: if you edit the crontab via 'crontab -e' as you should do, then if there's anything wrong with the edit, it will tell you, and offer to let you fix it |
| 16:17.52 | Vanscot | Now my devide is on dbus... |
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| 16:18.03 | Vanscot | But, kdeblue still wont see it. |
| 16:18.07 | todd-- | ok |
| 16:18.13 | todd-- | so i do use crontab -e and i had no problems |
| 16:18.25 | Vanscot | Tellme, you have any bluethoot package installed? |
| 16:18.27 | todd-- | i'm going to put another email address in because i don't think it's working |
| 16:18.32 | todd-- | i have it set to run every minute and it hasn't |
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| 16:18.49 | slidesinger | jelly: that may help, thanks. |
| 16:18.53 | bigpresh | todd--: If the job in question generates no output then there will be no email generated |
| 16:19.00 | johnc | How can I remotely grab the attention from someone? I am root. |
| 16:19.14 | peterrooney | johnc: throw a brick. |
| 16:19.23 | brutus | lol |
| 16:19.29 | jelly | todd--: if you have root, and syslog / rsyslog is enabled and running, you can uncomment the cron.* line in /etc/syslog.conf, restart syslog, then cron will log every job run in /var/log/cron.log |
| 16:19.31 | johnc | peterrooney: I cannot throw more than 20 meters with a brick, sorry. |
| 16:19.35 | Woodi | johnc: send him wall msg |
| 16:19.36 | Hideme | themill: It fails on exim (first on the list). getopt: command not found |
| 16:19.42 | carlosV2 | Vanscot: i've installed gnome-bluetooth. it recognises the device and the bluetooth devices. i can send files, regiter devices as known devices, etc. but i can't recieve files, set-up other services, etc |
| 16:19.55 | todd-- | it generates output |
| 16:19.59 | johnc | Woodi: it is meant for an X session. |
| 16:20.10 | Vanscot | Have your tried the bt adapter elsewhere? |
| 16:20.20 | Woodi | pkill ? :) |
| 16:20.22 | peterrooney | johnc: and if they do NOT have a terminal open, you can su to them , then run DISPLAY={whathaveyou} xmessage |
| 16:20.24 | themill | Hideme: do you have the package util-linux installed? |
| 16:20.27 | jelly | todd--: check your mail logs to see if any mails are being sent |
| 16:20.43 | todd-- | ok |
| 16:20.47 | johnc | peterrooney: and how do I find their DISPLAY? |
| 16:21.04 | Hideme | themill: dpkg -L util-linux ? |
| 16:21.06 | themill | johnc: w or who |
| 16:21.07 | peterrooney | ps -ef | grep X should do it |
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| 16:21.20 | todd-- | only two inside of Maildir/new which have dates of Aug, 10th and August 11th |
| 16:21.25 | themill | Hideme: -l not -L |
| 16:21.31 | slidesinger | jelly: there she blows! kernel command line options! Sometimes it just helps to know where to look. Thanks. |
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| 16:21.48 | carlosV2 | my adapter is inside the computer. i've tried it with WinXP without problems. few days ago, i had installed bluez-gnome and i could do anything but when an update was applied, it installs gnome-bluetooth and problems begins |
| 16:22.20 | Hideme | themill: Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 16:22.24 | Vanscot | I assume that you already tried removing both packages and installing only one? |
| 16:22.30 | themill | Hideme: pastebin... |
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| 16:22.51 | johnc | peterrooney: I get no protocol specified. |
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| 16:23.01 | carlosV2 | yes. one, two at the same time, separately, forcing one of them... no results... :( |
| 16:23.07 | todd-- | yeah definitely not working. And it doesn't have anything to do with that stuff I pasted |
| 16:23.10 | todd-- | i just changed email address |
| 16:23.11 | johnc | peterrooney: Error: Can't open display: :0 |
| 16:23.17 | todd-- | perhaps i'll echo to error_log |
| 16:23.20 | themill | todd--: is cron actually running? |
| 16:23.30 | Hideme | themill: http://pastebin.com/d6c0b26a5 |
| 16:23.44 | Vanscot | I'll test gnome-bluetooth |
| 16:23.45 | todd-- | i did ps -ax | grep cron |
| 16:23.57 | johnc | This is the command that I tried: DISPLAY=:0 xmessage 'Hi' |
| 16:24.07 | todd-- | 23792 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 16:24.09 | carlosV2 | Vanscot: my device is (lsmod): Bus 004 Device 007: ID 0a5c:2101 Broadcom Corp. A-Link BlueUsbA2 Bluetooth |
| 16:24.29 | ajavid | abrotman, if you think I'm going to let you abuse me just because you're an op, then you're gravely mistaken. |
| 16:24.34 | Vanscot | Seems like the same manufacturer than mine. |
| 16:24.42 | themill | Hideme: ouch! Is this machine supposed to be running etch? |
| 16:24.45 | carlosV2 | really? |
| 16:24.51 | Vanscot | Yeah, mine is usb... |
| 16:24.54 | carlosV2 | what kernel do you have? |
| 16:25.03 | ajavid | abrotman, also, continue this elsewhere. |
| 16:25.07 | ajavid | if you so chose. |
| 16:25.08 | peterrooney | johnc: as far as I know, not even root can open another user's X display - you have to su - to them. |
| 16:25.09 | Hideme | themill: No, was doing an upgrade from etch to lenny/ |
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| 16:25.31 | johnc | peterrooney: oh, I just used su, not su -. |
| 16:25.34 | Woodi | johnc: todd-- try put 'cat /etc/motd' into cron |
| 16:25.42 | carlosV2 | recently (with the updated), it download the 2.6.30-1-686 kernel to me (last kernels runs perfect too) |
| 16:25.43 | themill | Hideme: util-linux is marked as removed... this is really bad because it's an essential package. (You are following the release notes, aren't you?) |
| 16:25.46 | Woodi | sry todd-- |
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| 16:26.07 | johnc | peterrooney: thanks! It works. |
| 16:26.15 | Hideme | themill I was following: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-upgrade-debian-linux-4etch-to-5lenny-server.html |
| 16:26.43 | themill | Hideme: debian does actually release official release notes that cover how to avoid problems etc |
| 16:26.56 | Vanscot | Well.. |
| 16:27.03 | Vanscot | It's working. |
| 16:27.04 | Vanscot | xP |
| 16:27.09 | carlosV2 | xDDD |
| 16:27.12 | Vanscot | Seems like kdebluetooth is broken. |
| 16:27.14 | carlosV2 | with gnome-bluetooth? |
| 16:27.19 | Vanscot | yeah.. |
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| 16:27.29 | Vanscot | And bluetooth-applet working fine. |
| 16:27.34 | carlosV2 | could be, i've installed kdebluetooth and it don't work too |
| 16:27.48 | Vanscot | Remove all bluetooth related packages. |
| 16:27.55 | carlosV2 | ok |
| 16:28.01 | Vanscot | And install only gnome-bluetooth |
| 16:28.15 | themill | Hideme: try "aptitude -f install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" and we'll see where we get... |
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| 16:29.02 | todd-- | Woodi: where do I put that? |
| 16:29.06 | todd-- | instead of my command? |
| 16:29.06 | johnc | How can I see remotely what someone is doing in an Xsession? |
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| 16:29.26 | carlosV2 | deleting 45,5 MB... in progress... |
| 16:29.31 | Hideme | themill wants to install. gcc-4.2-base iproute libatm1{a} libdevmapper1.02.1 mlocate rsyslog util-linux |
| 16:29.33 | johnc | (Because I am not sure whether it is working. ) |
| 16:29.37 | ajavid | johnc, I think y ou'd have to install x11vnc |
| 16:29.39 | bigpresh | todd--: add a line to your crontab like: * * * * * date >> /tmp/crontest |
| 16:29.51 | bigpresh | todd--: Then, check that the date + time gets written to that file every minute |
| 16:29.55 | Hideme | and confing the partials |
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| 16:30.06 | ajavid | !tell johnc -about vnc setup |
| 16:30.08 | bigpresh | todd--: That will confirm that cron is running the job, and the problem is email sending |
| 16:30.26 | todd-- | ok |
| 16:30.29 | ajavid | johnc, well, what is the problem ? |
| 16:30.42 | ajavid | johnc, how are you testing to see if it works or not? |
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| 16:30.54 | johnc | ajavid: but can I thereby see the desktop of some other user too? |
| 16:31.00 | themill | Hideme: sounds sensible -- see how that goes |
| 16:31.04 | johnc | ajavid: and seeing them move the mouse and all that? |
| 16:31.16 | ajavid | uh... I dunno about that |
| 16:31.52 | Hideme | themill: Now reports: ii util-linux 2.13.1.1-1 |
| 16:32.01 | peterrooney | johnc: there is a program that allows you to connect a vnc server to a running X session, but I can't remember the name off the top of my head. |
| 16:32.04 | johnc | ajavid: currently, I just send a few xmessages, but the user doesn't press the Ok button on them. |
| 16:32.13 | carlosV2 | Vanscot: it don't work |
| 16:32.18 | johnc | ajavid: that might be because of a number of reasons. |
| 16:32.19 | themill | Hideme: excellent. And presumably the other things configured OK |
| 16:32.27 | carlosV2 | all deleted and gnome-bluetooth installed but not bluez |
| 16:32.31 | llutz | peterrooney: x11vnc |
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| 16:32.36 | Vanscot | Ok.. |
| 16:32.43 | Vanscot | Is bluetooth-applet running? |
| 16:32.49 | pasky | Hi! How can I debug apt-get autoremove suggestions? |
| 16:32.52 | ajavid | johnc, I guess you can make it so that each user logged into the Xorg system has a script running which launches a vnc server on a diff display(you'd have to hardcore which user gets which x tty etc.) |
| 16:33.05 | ajavid | johnc, then you can just connect to that display an user etc, I guess Id unno |
| 16:33.09 | pasky | Since they are totally bogus - apt-get autoremove suggests to remove a lot of packages that gnome-desktop-environment depends on and is installed. |
| 16:33.16 | pasky | (this is lenny) |
| 16:33.18 | carlosV2 | bluetooth-applet is the icon in task bar? |
| 16:33.20 | ajavid | thats a long long way of going about ti, but its becuase I don't know if there is aproram that does it |
| 16:33.26 | Vanscot | Yeah.. |
| 16:33.36 | FailPowah | is there a cli app that can show me my cpu's temperture? |
| 16:33.37 | Vanscot | Can you pair devices? |
| 16:33.40 | carlosV2 | yes, it run (with all unistalled too) |
| 16:33.44 | ajavid | FailPowah, sensors |
| 16:33.46 | peterrooney | johnc: you could always kill -SIGSTOP on all processes owned by that user, then run xmessage and wait... of course, they might restart the X server. |
| 16:34.17 | FailPowah | ajavid, thanks, seems like its around 48c :D |
| 16:34.18 | johnc | peterrooney: and then I can continue the processes later, right? |
| 16:34.20 | ajavid | FailPowah, install lm-sensors; sensors-detect; modprobe the modules it gives you, and then sensors will give output |
| 16:34.23 | themill | dpkg: tell pasky about unmarkauto |
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| 16:34.32 | peterrooney | johnc: yes, with kill -SIGCONT |
| 16:34.45 | Hideme | themill: Down to 8 from 19 partially installed. Exim seems to be the main issue. saying "caused by you upgrading to exim4 4.67-3 or later without accepting the confifle changes". Any way I get the installer to ask me again? |
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| 16:35.15 | Woodi | peterrooney: i like -SIGSTOP now :) |
| 16:35.40 | todd-- | i solved the problem |
| 16:35.40 | themill | Hideme: you could try purging and reinstalling that package but that might rip out other things that depend on an MTA being installed |
| 16:35.51 | johnc | peterrooney: hmm, but that is still some work. I would have to write some script to gather all the running processes for some user. |
| 16:35.52 | Vanscot | Can you pair devices? |
| 16:35.54 | todd-- | guys you won't believe what the problem was |
| 16:36.02 | Woodi | todd--: what was wrong ? |
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| 16:36.10 | carlosV2 | i can register devices but not make pairing |
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| 16:36.12 | todd-- | I have 2 users. Remember I said I cleaned houe? |
| 16:36.15 | themill | Hideme: There might also be .dpkg-new files around that you can put in place |
| 16:36.22 | todd-- | well I deleted the contents of one user's crontab |
| 16:36.26 | themill | dpkg, lart todd-- |
| 16:36.27 | dpkg | drops a humongous exploding nuke on todd-- |
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| 16:36.37 | todd-- | it had no MAILTO... without a mailto it will not run any crons from any other users |
| 16:36.40 | johnc | I am not sure which command can be used to obtain all process ids owned by user foo. |
| 16:36.58 | todd-- | when i do crontab -e on that old user, it said for security and resource reasons we require you to set a MAILTO and then I did |
| 16:37.03 | todd-- | then my crons started working again |
| 16:37.05 | carlosV2 | i can search for a device, put the password to make de pairing and register the device but if i try to make a pairing it don't work |
| 16:37.18 | linhis | i want to create a gtalk bot by installing a chat client on debian server |
| 16:37.24 | linhis | how to go about it?? |
| 16:37.34 | bigpresh | johnc: ps -u username |
| 16:37.47 | carlosV2 | Vanscot: i've have a virtual machine with debian squeeze. if i can install both packages (installing gnome-bluetooth) then i will format my computer |
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| 16:38.08 | Vanscot | Try to not install both but the one working. |
| 16:38.12 | Vanscot | Maybe they conflict. |
| 16:38.19 | carlosV2 | ok |
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| 16:38.44 | todd-- | hmm maybe I spoke too soon |
| 16:38.52 | todd-- | the crons are running but it's still not emailing |
| 16:39.13 | todd-- | the crontest with the date >> /tmp/crontest was working |
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| 16:39.38 | bigpresh | todd--: Can you send email from that box using the simple 'mail' command? |
| 16:39.45 | Woodi | todd--: mails are send only when commands make some output |
| 16:39.45 | _Johan_ | Anybody know how I get the best flash support for firefox? The one that comes installed with debian is really bad, and wont work, any suggestions? |
| 16:39.55 | carlosV2 | i'm going to try it. in some pages i've seen that people install both packages at same time... |
| 16:40.04 | Stereo | _Johan_: run windows vista ? :p |
| 16:40.22 | _Johan_ | Stereo: Allrdy have that on my desktop. |
| 16:40.27 | Woodi | todd--: try just date without redir |
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| 16:40.43 | todd-- | Woodi: the command is making and output |
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| 16:40.49 | Vanscot | good luck then. |
| 16:40.50 | todd-- | bigpresh I'll call that |
| 16:40.51 | _Johan_ | I have gotten "great" flash support before, just cant remmember what I did/used.. |
| 16:40.51 | Vanscot | :) |
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| 16:40.58 | peterrooney | johnc: wanna bet that ps has such an option? |
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| 16:41.01 | todd-- | try that* |
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| 16:41.58 | todd-- | it says mail command not found |
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| 16:42.25 | die7 | hi |
| 16:42.25 | carlosV2 | GRUB loading... Error 16 <- today is not my day :'( |
| 16:42.27 | johnc | peterrooney: yes, I already found it. |
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| 16:42.37 | carlosV2 | no problem, i will reinstall the virtual machine |
| 16:42.56 | die7 | I'm looking for good audio convertig tool on debian (pcm to alaw format) any suggestions? |
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| 16:43.38 | todd-- | mail -s "Cron Test" cron@example.com says mail command not found... great |
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| 16:45.14 | Woodi | todd--: man use mutt or something else... |
| 16:45.52 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 16:46.34 | x1250 | I have my own ffmpeg version, so I don't need to install it from the repos. Now I'm trying to install some package that has ffmpeg as a dependency. Is there anyway to override the dependency and install the (broken) package without installing ffmpeg? |
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| 16:47.10 | todd-- | ok Woodi, using mutt |
| 16:47.12 | todd-- | just sent an email |
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| 16:47.33 | themill | x1250: if you're convinced it will work (and it won't necessarily...) /msg dpkg equivs. Or better, would be to put your local ffmpeg into a .deb so that the package system knows about it. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:47.55 | x1250 | thanks themill |
| 16:48.00 | abrotman | ajavid: please do not msg me |
| 16:48.08 | carlosV2 | i've a debian lenny running here. i've tried to install gnome-bluetooth and says "To install: gnome-bluetooth" "To UNCHANGE: bluez-gnome" |
| 16:48.23 | Woodi | todd--: do you get it back ? :) |
| 16:48.44 | todd-- | waiting now |
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| 16:49.41 | todd-- | nope nothing |
| 16:49.54 | themill | todd--: check your mail server logs |
| 16:50.28 | todd-- | mutt reads those |
| 16:50.28 | todd-- | it has nothing in it |
| 16:50.28 | todd-- | but i'll check anyway |
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| 16:50.56 | todd-- | nothing in it |
| 16:51.30 | themill | mutt won't read the mail server logs... /var/log/mail.* |
| 16:51.38 | todd-- | ahh |
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| 16:51.42 | todd-- | i have a folder ~/Maildir |
| 16:51.46 | carlosV2 | it seems in debian lenny run... |
| 16:52.06 | carlosV2 | probably, next week i will format my computer |
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| 16:53.37 | todd-- | themill: ok now we're getting somehwere |
| 16:53.42 | todd-- | it says delivery temporary suspended |
| 16:53.50 | todd-- | and it seems to happen every minute when the crons go off |
| 16:54.13 | johnc | Can I use somerootcommand;su - foo; somecommand; exit;someothercommandasroot in a script? |
| 16:54.18 | themill | todd--: look at the output of mailq... you might be in for a surprise |
| 16:54.25 | todd-- | mailq? |
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| 16:55.20 | Woodi | it's for qmail |
| 16:55.42 | johnc | Does ps also report stopped processes? |
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| 16:56.13 | johnc | It does, never mind. |
| 16:56.18 | linhis | i want to create a gtalk bot by installing a chat client on debian server |
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| 16:56.27 | linhis | how do i do it?? |
| 16:56.43 | todd-- | it says (delivery temporarily suspended.... Connection timed out |
| 16:57.04 | Hideme | themill: Is there a better MTA than Exim? I can't fix this. :( |
| 16:57.16 | abrotman | better or easier? |
| 16:59.52 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, exim is possible the most highly configurable MTA |
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| 17:00.03 | brabo | i made a chroot ssh jail, all is fine except colors for zsh, which files do i need to place i the jail for that? |
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| 17:00.09 | Woodi | todd--: you use some mail aliases ? |
| 17:00.19 | todd-- | yeah |
| 17:00.20 | Hideme | Appaerently with exim4 you must accept the maintainers new config file even if you don't want to. Otherwise it breaks. |
| 17:00.22 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, and better is very subjective especially when comparing email servers |
| 17:00.41 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, what reason for upgrading a production email server? |
| 17:00.58 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, it should be pretty much set up -> revisit in 5 years |
| 17:01.07 | johnc | Why can't I write a script in exactly the same order as I type it in a terminal? I don't see why the use of su - or exit should make a difference. |
| 17:01.19 | Woodi | todd--: maybe check redirections path |
| 17:01.35 | todd-- | ok |
| 17:01.35 | johnc | Exit should just exit the current shell and then execute the next command in the then current shell. |
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| 17:01.50 | johnc | This is obviously not what it does, so how do I get that to work?> |
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| 17:02.19 | Titan8990_ | johnc, what is your goal for the script? |
| 17:02.20 | Hideme | Titan8990_: Was doing a dist-upgrade (etch to lenny) and now exim is borked. |
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| 17:02.59 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, thats because upgrading a production server is a terrible idea |
| 17:03.07 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, restore from your most recent backup |
| 17:03.15 | Hideme | Titan8990_: This happened when I choose to keep my config files rather than install the updated maintainers version. |
| 17:03.42 | todd-- | i just changed it to my straight up email address, not alias and it did the same thing |
| 17:03.42 | johnc | Titan8990_: stop all processes owned by a certain user. I have that loop already working. Then display an xmessage to the remote user. Then when ok is pressed continue all those processes again. (This is also already working). |
| 17:04.12 | johnc | Titan8990_: the problem is that I need to do su - someuser in the middle of the script and then execute some other commands in the the current environment again. |
| 17:04.22 | Hideme | Titan8990_: I want to stay with lenny, how would the backup rectify the issue with exim? |
| 17:04.40 | Titan8990_ | johnc, what command? |
| 17:04.51 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, you could go back to etch with your most recent backup |
| 17:04.59 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, you could try and port your old config |
| 17:05.01 | johnc | Titan8990_: those are the commands to continue the processes again. |
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| 17:05.16 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, what is your need for upgrading this server to lenny? |
| 17:05.17 | johnc | Titan8990_: but I guess in this case those can be run as non-root user. |
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| 17:05.30 | Hideme | Titan8990_: To stay current. |
| 17:05.30 | Titan8990_ | johnc, dude |
| 17:05.35 | Titan8990_ | johnc, what command? |
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| 17:05.41 | euthymos | hi |
| 17:05.55 | Titan8990_ | johnc, what command requires that you ARE the user so that it effects them (i know of a few) |
| 17:06.12 | euthymos | I'm releasing a Qt based application |
| 17:06.14 | johnc | Titan8990_: kill -SIGCONT $process where $process is a number in a loop. |
| 17:06.32 | Titan8990_ | johnc, and why does that need to be done by a regular user? |
| 17:06.34 | johnc | Titan8990_: the command that needs to be executed as someuser is xmessage. |
| 17:06.34 | euthymos | it requires Qt libs version 4.5.0 or higher. Why Debian repositories have such an old (4.4) version o fQt |
| 17:06.59 | euthymos | whereas Ubuntu repositories have a more fresh version (4.5.0) |
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| 17:07.09 | todd-- | themill: do you think it's thinking that I am spam? |
| 17:07.09 | Titan8990_ | johnc, sounds like bad design |
| 17:07.18 | euthymos | is it a release policy? |
| 17:07.31 | johnc | Titan8990_: design? It is 10 lines. |
| 17:08.06 | johnc | Titan8990_: I am not sure what there is to improve about it. Other than binding the process list only once. |
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| 17:08.38 | Titan8990_ | johnc, why does the output need to display to xmessage? |
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| 17:09.01 | johnc | Titan8990_: because that is the whole purpose of the script: to say something to the remote user. |
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| 17:09.23 | Titan8990_ | johnc, wouldn't it be more practical to send them an email? |
| 17:09.26 | johnc | Titan8990_: I just want to display a message in the front of the face of the remote user. |
| 17:09.33 | johnc | Titan8990_: not in this case. |
| 17:09.34 | justin | johnc: su has a -c option. |
| 17:09.40 | fxiny | and grab the user mouse |
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| 17:10.13 | fxiny | i'd try some nice osd:_cat too , so he can get the watrning when watching pr0n |
| 17:10.18 | euthymos | Debian repositories contain outdated software |
| 17:10.21 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, and what do you gain from staying current? |
| 17:10.25 | craigevil | euthymos: sid has 4.5.2-1, stable still has kdekde3.5 |
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| 17:10.34 | Deepa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.43 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, on a production email server that will provide the same functionality either way |
| 17:10.43 | euthymos | correct me :) |
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| 17:11.03 | Deepa_ | It lags behind a little and contains stuff that no longer has updates |
| 17:11.11 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.44 | Woodi | euthymos: say something more detailed then we will correct |
| 17:11.46 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, stay current on your desktop, there is no need to break servers because of need with unknown roots |
| 17:11.47 | craigevil | judd: versions libqtcore4 |
| 17:11.47 | judd | craigevil: libqtcore4 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1 sid: 4:4.5.2-1 squeeze: 4:4.5.2-1 |
| 17:12.27 | euthymos | craigevil: thank you. So Debian policy is to freeze library versions in stable releases |
| 17:12.46 | valdyn | pretty much like any distro |
| 17:12.58 | craigevil | euthymos: stable is stable , it only gets bug and security fixes |
| 17:13.07 | euthymos | I see! |
| 17:13.35 | euthymos | When will the next debian version be released? |
| 17:13.45 | euthymos | where can I get a roadmap? |
| 17:13.56 | craigevil | !wir |
| 17:13.57 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh> |
| 17:13.58 | abrotman | release.debian.org ? |
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| 17:14.47 | todd-- | i'm stumped here |
| 17:15.23 | euthymos | thank you. Sorry if I've mad stupid questions |
| 17:15.25 | euthymos | !rsn |
| 17:15.25 | dpkg | well, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see <wir> and <siyh> |
| 17:15.31 | euthymos | !siyh |
| 17:15.32 | dpkg | somebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 17:15.40 | abrotman | euthymos: /msg dpkg siyh |
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| 17:19.31 | johnc | When I execute gnome-osd-client 'Hi' on my local system, it works, when I run it remotely I get Error: <newline> Trying DBUS |
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| 17:20.01 | johnc | Why can't people just write software that works instead of only when all the planets are aligned? :( |
| 17:20.21 | Deepa_ | You are mistaken |
| 17:20.28 | Deepa_ | People write software that just works when all the planets are aligned |
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| 17:21.48 | unomystEz | how can I delete all files of size 0>? |
| 17:21.50 | Danielss89 | Hi |
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| 17:22.16 | dellthinker | Fucken lame |
| 17:22.16 | johnc | unomystEz: man find; man xargs;man rm |
| 17:22.19 | dellthinker | Anyway |
| 17:22.29 | unomystEz | johnc: thank you |
| 17:22.33 | dellthinker | Can anyone tell me what i have to install in order to use the service command? |
| 17:22.39 | dellthinker | bash: service: command not found <--- This is my error |
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| 17:22.44 | justin | dellthinker: invoke-rc.d |
| 17:22.51 | justin | dellthinker: debian is not redhat |
| 17:22.54 | johnc | xargs: more proof of a bad design. |
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| 17:22.58 | Danielss89 | i've just installed debian... is it possible to get a list of hardware which is not installed correctly? |
| 17:23.03 | dellthinker | justin: indeed |
| 17:23.10 | dellthinker | Im just following a tutorial |
| 17:23.29 | themill | !tutorials |
| 17:23.30 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 17:23.51 | abrotman | dellthinker: tutorial for what? |
| 17:24.23 | dellthinker | abrotman: http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/113733 | Im making a filter for my work so ppl will stop youporning and redtubing |
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| 17:24.53 | dellthinker | Not that i have anything against either site ;o) |
| 17:24.55 | abrotman | !squid |
| 17:24.55 | dpkg | [squid] the Squid Internet Object Cache, a caching web proxy server supporting HTTP, HTTPS, FTP and other protocols. Ask me about <transparent proxy> and <squid deb caching>. See also <adzapper>. Lenny users: SMB authentication is currently unusable due to bug #524957, fix to be uploaded to <proposed-updates>. /usr/share/doc/squid/* http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq http://squid-cache.org/ #squid on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:25.13 | abrotman | and dansguardian |
| 17:25.26 | dellthinker | stares at abrotman |
| 17:25.28 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+dansguardian&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g2 |
| 17:25.31 | dellthinker | Ok? O_o |
| 17:25.37 | dellthinker | I've already installed both |
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| 17:25.58 | fxiny | groupadd -r squid ? wt4x of a tutorial ! |
| 17:26.01 | dellthinker | I got to the part where it tells me to restart the service |
| 17:26.18 | dellthinker | How do i restart both services? |
| 17:26.47 | dellthinker | ... |
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| 17:27.29 | dellthinker | What was the point in abrotman telling me something i've already covered? |
| 17:27.43 | abrotman | gives up |
| 17:27.51 | dellthinker | does the same |
| 17:27.54 | dellthinker | Anyone else? |
| 17:28.02 | justin | dellthinker: scroll. up. |
| 17:28.04 | D-Boy` | how can i show only someresults (by ip or dns) when i call netstat -tap ? |
| 17:28.10 | dellthinker | omg WTF for? |
| 17:28.12 | justin | D-Boy`: grep ? |
| 17:28.17 | Deepa_ | grep. |
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| 17:28.42 | D-Boy` | i tried netstat -tap | grep somewords but it doesn't work |
| 17:28.49 | themill | dellthinker: [18:22] <justin> dellthinker: invoke-rc.d |
| 17:29.23 | Deepa_ | Isn't there some tirgger on "doesn't work2? |
| 17:29.23 | D-Boy` | my bad... it works now but it takes a bit long ^^ |
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| 17:29.57 | DexterF | why does lenny's kde3 come with ktorrent from kde 4.1? |
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| 17:30.05 | justin | D-Boy`: because you didn't use the -n option |
| 17:30.10 | dellthinker | I got that part, wonder why the tutorial told me to use the other command |
| 17:30.27 | themill | judd versions ktorrent |
| 17:30.27 | judd | themill: ktorrent -- etch: 2.0.3+dfsg1-2.2etch1 etch-security: 2.0.3+dfsg1-2.2etch1 lenny: 3.1.4+dfsg.1-1 squeeze: 3.2.1+dfsg.1-1 sid: 3.2.3.1+dfsg.1-1 experimental: 3.3~beta1+dfsg.1-1 |
| 17:30.30 | Evet | Debian Trainer License for sale. Only $1996 |
| 17:30.34 | themill | DexterF: ^^ eh? |
| 17:30.37 | themill | Evet: ECHAN |
| 17:30.55 | DexterF | themill: I installed ktorrent and its the kde4 app from 4.1. |
| 17:31.37 | Danielss89 | Is it possible to see somewere which hardware is installed correct and which isnt? |
| 17:31.56 | themill | DexterF: ahh... there is actually quite a lot of kdelibs in lenny so you can run some kde4 apps there. But the kde4 shell is not there. |
| 17:32.15 | DexterF | themill: ah, nvm, its not incorported in kde and the latest v. builds against kde4 only. bugger. |
| 17:32.39 | themill | DexterF: yeah, it's not actually part of kde, just a kde app |
| 17:32.50 | cantoma | guys, any pdf reader capable of playing multimedia(sound, movie) embedded in a pdf apart from acroread? |
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| 17:33.04 | DexterF | thinks kde4 still sucks even in v4.3 |
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| 17:33.46 | unomystEz | cp doesn't have a switch for not overwriting? |
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| 17:33.53 | ajcc | Is there any example xorg.conf in the Debian install? The /etc/xorg.conf is all blank... maybe they changed the way you set up xorg? |
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| 17:34.28 | vanjuxa | its new 2009 trance music! wanna listen? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKJ8IftBv08 |
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| 17:36.19 | Titan8990_ | ajcc, starting with xorg-server version 1.5, xserver no longer needs a xorg.conf |
| 17:36.28 | Titan8990_ | he left :( |
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| 17:36.50 | sparr | is there a GUI (or even curses) package manager that allows sorting by popularity contest stats? |
| 17:37.07 | unomystEz | I'm getting zsh: argument list too long: cp |
| 17:37.26 | Titan8990_ | unomystEz, are you using bsd? |
| 17:37.54 | unomystEz | nope |
| 17:37.55 | unomystEz | debian |
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| 17:38.01 | unomystEz | im using find to do it |
| 17:38.05 | unomystEz | seems to work |
| 17:38.05 | justin | sparr: I wrote a utility that does that, dunno of any other tools that doit |
| 17:38.49 | Titan8990_ | unomystEz, i was asking because debian uses bash, not zsh |
| 17:39.25 | unomystEz | i don't like bash, i prefer zsh |
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| 17:39.57 | dellthinker | locate works better =P |
| 17:40.31 | themill | dellthinker: only for a very small subset of tasks |
| 17:40.38 | unomystEz | correct |
| 17:40.58 | Titan8990_ | dellthinker, locate can only search via name.... |
| 17:41.39 | Titan8990_ | dellthinker, find can search via a wide range of things such as access time, file type, and etc |
| 17:41.48 | dellthinker | I get the error | find: `squid': No such file or directory |
| 17:41.53 | dellthinker | O_o |
| 17:42.05 | Titan8990_ | dellthinker, try: find / -name 'squid' |
| 17:42.06 | dellthinker | Or do i have to be specific |
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| 17:42.52 | Titan8990_ | dellthinker, but for your particular example, locate would be better |
| 17:42.55 | deco | is amarok2 avaible in debian testing ? |
| 17:43.00 | deco | available* |
| 17:43.07 | Titan8990_ | judd, versions amarok |
| 17:43.08 | judd | Titan8990_: amarok -- etch: 1.4.4-4etch1 etch-security: 1.4.4-4etch1 lenny: 1.4.10-2 squeeze: 1.4.10-3+b1 sid: 2.1.1-4 |
| 17:43.13 | Deepa_ | Do you even want Amarok2? amaroK 1.x is the best |
| 17:43.14 | dellthinker | Aha |
| 17:43.21 | Titan8990_ | deco, only in unstable |
| 17:43.23 | deco | well im using kde4 so |
| 17:43.24 | deco | ah |
| 17:43.27 | deco | Titan8990_: thanks |
| 17:43.30 | dellthinker | Titan8990_: very resourceful |
| 17:43.34 | johnc | I do su - foobar as root. Then I see foobar@machine $ |
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| 17:43.43 | johnc | Then I press up arrow and I am logged out!? |
| 17:44.16 | johnc | In fact, it doesn't matter which key I press. |
| 17:45.10 | johnc | When I just do su foobar, it does work, but then I have the wrong environment. |
| 17:45.22 | Titan8990_ | johnc, does foobar have a default shell? |
| 17:45.28 | johnc | Titan8990_: yes |
| 17:45.42 | johnc | Titan8990_: plain old bash |
| 17:46.22 | unomystEz | holy crap |
| 17:46.27 | unomystEz | i swear im going fscking mad |
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| 17:46.36 | themill | going? |
| 17:46.36 | unomystEz | i deleted all 0 size files in dir a |
| 17:46.37 | Titan8990_ | johnc, i can't reproduce your results |
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| 17:46.51 | unomystEz | then in another dir with the same files and 0 files taht are size 0 |
| 17:47.10 | unomystEz | im diong `yes n | find . -maxdepth 1 -exec cp -i {} big/. \;` |
| 17:47.14 | johnc | Titan8990_: well, I never changed the shell for this user. How can I verify that the user in fact has a shell? |
| 17:47.17 | unomystEz | and somehow, 0 size files are appearing again |
| 17:47.17 | unomystEz | WTF |
| 17:47.50 | johnc | unomystEz: that doesn't surprise me. |
| 17:48.00 | unomystEz | why it hat |
| 17:48.01 | johnc | unomystEz: all you are doing is copying something. |
| 17:48.06 | unomystEz | s/ha/tha/ |
| 17:48.08 | johnc | unomystEz: you don't remove anything. |
| 17:48.31 | unomystEz | before that, i did find . -size 0 -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 17:48.36 | unomystEz | in the dest directory |
| 17:49.04 | Titan8990_ | johnc, grep '$USER' /etc/passwd |
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| 17:49.45 | johnc | Titan8990_: /bin/bash |
| 17:49.50 | johnc | Titan8990_: seems good to me. |
| 17:49.54 | Titan8990_ | yep |
| 17:50.22 | Titan8990_ | your behavior is still very odd, are you doing this via an ssh session? |
| 17:50.26 | johnc | Anyway, I think it is ridiculous that it is so hard to send a simple message to an X session. |
| 17:50.28 | johnc | Titan8990_: yes |
| 17:50.39 | Titan8990_ | johnc, what kind of terminal emulation? |
| 17:50.47 | johnc | Titan8990_: I have x forwarding enabled, but that should not matter. |
| 17:51.00 | johnc | Titan8990_: my terminal is gnome-terminal. |
| 17:51.25 | DexterF | unomystEz: what type are those 0 byte files? |
| 17:51.33 | DexterF | and what filename |
| 17:51.35 | Titan8990_ | idk then... people at my work use some weird windows terminal emulators that cause funny things to happen |
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| 17:52.00 | DexterF | are they symlinks perhaps that dont get dereferenced, sockets,..? hidden files in the meaning of starting with . ? |
| 17:52.29 | johnc | Titan8990_: osd_cat appears to work (doesn't give an error message) and also works locally here. |
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| 17:52.47 | johnc | Titan8990_: but the font is so small so that only ridiculous amounts of text will be seen. |
| 17:53.29 | Titan8990_ | johnc, i have honestly never heard of someone doing what your doing... |
| 17:53.41 | Titan8990_ | johnc, or even remotely like it... i had to look up xmessage |
| 17:54.01 | zen-xstat | Hello, I don't know if this is the right place for this topic but... |
| 17:54.05 | valdyn | johnc: osd_cat is configurable |
| 17:54.15 | zen-xstat | We all know that Linux system need more users |
| 17:54.25 | valdyn | zen-xstat: wrong place |
| 17:54.31 | johnc | valdyn: I didn't seen an option for font size. |
| 17:54.39 | johnc | valdyn: I could change the font, though. |
| 17:54.49 | zen-xstat | valdyn: ok, thanks I'll skip it |
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| 17:55.03 | johnc | valdyn: but the hard thing about fonts is that they do not document what set of strings constitute a valid font. |
| 17:55.18 | valdyn | johnc: you can use xfontsel |
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| 17:56.30 | Meiki | Hi, how do I change permissions on a file so it becomes -rw-r--r-- |
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| 17:57.12 | zen-xstat | Is there a group of discussing on how to get unexperienced users to Linux? |
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| 17:58.04 | Meiki | Hi, how do I change permissions on a file so it becomes -rw-r--r-- |
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| 17:58.18 | valdyn | Meiki: dont repeat, read the manpage to chmod |
| 17:58.41 | johnc | valdyn: ok, that works, but I don't see why xfontsel doesn't show some fonts which I can use in e.g. Gnome, which are much larger. |
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| 17:59.20 | valdyn | johnc: lack of support for truetype fonts probably |
| 17:59.37 | clusty | i am trying to setup centralized user management system |
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| 18:00.07 | valdyn | johnc: "xlsfonts" could be useful too |
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| 18:00.23 | clusty | so far I tried using NIS with the server being an ubuntu machine. unfortunately i cannot start the nis service (must be some bug) |
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| 18:00.35 | clusty | is there any serious reason why i should go for ldap? |
| 18:00.37 | Titan8990_ | !tell clusty about ubuntu |
| 18:01.00 | Titan8990_ | clusty, what is the goal? central point of authentication or more? |
| 18:01.17 | zen-xstat | I have read that Ubuntu is trying to get closer to Debian and I think that it would be a great opportunity to build something really strong |
| 18:01.18 | clusty | Titan8990_, i cannot help but get mad when i get that line |
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| 18:01.25 | zen-xstat | !tell zen-xstat about ubuntu |
| 18:01.39 | Titan8990_ | clusty, why? this isn't #ubuntu and its not supported here |
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| 18:01.54 | Titan8990_ | !tell zen-xstat about selftell |
| 18:02.09 | clusty | Titan8990_, but you could strecth it a bit since 99.99% of debian arguments hold |
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| 18:02.30 | clusty | Titan8990_, if i were to ask about nvidia binary drivers would have been another thing . an |
| 18:02.33 | zen-xstat | Titan8990_: thanks for the tip |
| 18:02.34 | clusty | anyways besides the point |
| 18:02.45 | clusty | i want to be able to change users on one machine |
| 18:02.49 | Titan8990_ | clusty, ubuntu isn't as stable as debian, we don't like wasting time trying to fix a broken OS they we don't like or use |
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| 18:03.22 | clusty | but you like jumping at the juggular? :D |
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| 18:03.42 | Titan8990_ | clusty, alright... so that I "yes", i only need a single point of authentication? |
| 18:03.44 | clusty | cause listening to my question you notice there is nothing related to ubuntu |
| 18:03.50 | clusty | yes |
| 18:04.05 | clusty | want to have all users/pass stored on one machine |
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| 18:04.18 | clusty | also all data (nfs home i presume is the way to go) |
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| 18:04.33 | johnc | Is Debian also better for a laptop than Ubuntu? By better, I mean that it works with less work. |
| 18:04.49 | Titan8990_ | clusty, kerberos + PAM or kerberos + ldap i would say |
| 18:05.04 | zen-xstat | sorry for my interruption, but I think that _Ubuntu is in the same side of Debian, it has good things to share, still Debian is much stronger because get focused on system |
| 18:05.10 | Titan8990_ | johnc, it depends on your needs... do you value stability over new software? |
| 18:05.12 | clusty | Titan8990_, some claim that nis is a dino |
| 18:05.24 | Titan8990_ | clusty, it is |
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| 18:05.33 | Titan8990_ | clusty, not too popular anymore |
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| 18:05.48 | clusty | Titan8990_, thing is security is not of paramount importance |
| 18:06.00 | johnc | Titan8990_: I kind of hate the pinning mechanism, but both apt and ubuntu have that. And since I develop software I often need new -dev libraries. |
| 18:06.15 | zen-xstat | Is debian/Linux prepared to be used by millions of users? |
| 18:06.18 | clusty | Titan8990_, easy admin is more important really (meaning some newb linux guy shoiuld cope using/maintaining) |
| 18:06.30 | johnc | zen-xstat: silly question. It is already used by millions. |
| 18:06.41 | Titan8990_ | johnc, if you need a "rolling release" then your looking for gentoo or arch linux |
| 18:06.47 | clusty | johnc, back in the day debian used to be a pain to install on laptops |
| 18:06.49 | Titan8990_ | johnc, my personal preference is gentoo |
| 18:06.52 | clusty | cause they have strange drivers |
| 18:06.53 | blast_hardcheese | Quick question; I've got a Panasonic CF-M34, 10" screen with a Silicon Motion (SM710) graphics card. Once I start X the Virtual Terminals die, I'm forcing vga=788 in grub |
| 18:06.58 | johnc | Titan8990_: I kind of hate Gentoo :) |
| 18:07.01 | blast_hardcheese | Is there any way to get my Terminals back? |
| 18:07.05 | johnc | It broke way too often. |
| 18:07.10 | blast_hardcheese | I've googled around and haven't found a solution for it |
| 18:07.19 | Titan8990_ | johnc, gentoo is the "enlightenment" to linux |
| 18:07.30 | johnc | I mean that applications broke, because the dependencies where ill speficied. |
| 18:07.37 | johnc | Titan8990_: haha |
| 18:07.46 | Titan8990_ | clusty, then maybe you should hire people that know what they are doing when it comes to linux? |
| 18:07.54 | Titan8990_ | clusty, or use something your admins know |
| 18:07.54 | johnc | Titan8990_: I ran it 5 years ago, and I can say it isn't. |
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| 18:08.32 | clusty | Titan8990_, thing is: it';s asmall company that is loaded with tech savy ppl, but not linuxoids |
| 18:08.33 | johnc | If Debian has a better pinning mechanism and apt works slightly faster, than that's the best Linux can become. |
| 18:08.41 | clusty | a dedicated sys admin will never be hired |
| 18:08.50 | clusty | to i am stuck doing a half assed sys admin job |
| 18:08.50 | zen-xstat | johnc: Viruses and other threat are not developed for Linux for many reasons, one of them is that popular user are not able to use it in a daily basis |
| 18:08.52 | johnc | Linux itself is quite high-performance, but it not secure. |
| 18:09.01 | johnc | zen-xstat: ... |
| 18:09.07 | johnc | zen-xstat: you don't have a clue. |
| 18:09.18 | clusty | johnc, linux is not as secure? |
| 18:09.29 | valdyn | johnc: if you are a developer and you need specific versions of things for *development*, then you should use a chroot or basically *additional* libraries, not the ones supporting your base system |
| 18:09.32 | johnc | That said only a few military systems are really secure. |
| 18:09.49 | johnc | valdyn: that sounds interesting. |
| 18:09.58 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/9442 |
| 18:10.11 | johnc | valdyn: can I just chroot to /var/devchroot and do apt-get install stuff there? |
| 18:10.15 | Titan8990_ | johnc, i work with a military guy and i don't hear good things |
| 18:10.27 | valdyn | johnc: yes |
| 18:10.30 | johnc | Titan8990_: I am not sure what his clearance level is. |
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| 18:10.44 | johnc | Titan8990_: and of couse we cannot talk about specifics. |
| 18:11.05 | zipizap123 | hello |
| 18:11.22 | johnc | Titan8990_: I meant secure in an absolute sense. There are systems which have this property, but they are kind of simplistic and low-performance. |
| 18:11.42 | johnc | Titan8990_: there are also systems which have certain certifications which Linux will never get. |
| 18:12.00 | valdyn | johnc: youre talking about "provably secure" or along that line? |
| 18:12.00 | gravity | johnc: You could also just run unstable |
| 18:12.10 | gravity | Depending on your needs |
| 18:12.13 | valdyn | johnc: lets not get into that... |
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| 18:12.34 | johnc | valdyn: yes, I did mention that, but I don't think those systems have users. |
| 18:12.41 | johnc | valdyn: meant* |
| 18:12.46 | valdyn | johnc: yes, exactly |
| 18:12.57 | zen-xstat | Ubuntu working with Debian can offer stable and flexible supported production systems |
| 18:13.17 | zmen01 | I have a log file with about 1 million chars on 20 different lines, from this log file I like to filter a certain pattern, inside this around 30 char pattern some characters can occur but I need to get everything that starts with -A and ends with + <- everything inside there including the A and the ? I need to be placed on a new line, would there be any kind of regexp in bash where I can accomplish this with? |
| 18:13.40 | Titan8990_ | zmen01, #bash |
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| 18:14.07 | gravity | zen-xstat: Ubuntu is off topic. If you want to discuss Ubuntu, please go to #ubuntu. |
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| 18:14.35 | zen-xstat | gravity: I apologize |
| 18:15.00 | zipizap123 | zmen01: cat yourfile | egrep 'A[^+]+' |
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| 18:15.21 | zipizap123 | Anyone can recommend me a program to make flow-charts, to organize a programming project |
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| 18:15.41 | infernix | zipizap123: kivio |
| 18:15.57 | infernix | or whatever the name is for kde's visio counterpart |
| 18:16.04 | zipizap123 | thanks infernix, will check it out |
| 18:16.20 | zipizap123 | Something of that complexity would be nice - not too much, not too simple |
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| 18:16.31 | gravity | dia is also good |
| 18:16.31 | zipizap123 | I'll search |
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| 18:17.31 | gravity | And you could presumably use inkscape as well, although it's more general |
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| 18:17.43 | johnc | I would recommend MS Project for a serious project, just because I know all those other programs crashed for me. |
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| 18:18.04 | johnc | I didn't try kivio, so you might have luck with that. |
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| 18:18.27 | infernix | yeah im also using ms visio |
| 18:18.36 | infernix | for more complex charts |
| 18:18.48 | gravity | There was a great one based on xaw or motif, but I'm forgetting the name |
| 18:18.53 | johnc | infernix: visio and ms project have different uses. |
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| 18:19.03 | infernix | i know :) |
| 18:19.17 | zen-xstat | What do you think Debian project is lacking off? Programmers? Publicity? Nothing? |
| 18:19.25 | infernix | just making the point that in some cases proprietary kicks open source ass |
| 18:19.39 | infernix | and ms visio is one of them, least for me |
| 18:19.43 | Titan8990_ | there isn't much of a visio alternative in linux but there are many good project management applications |
| 18:19.52 | gravity | xfig! |
| 18:20.00 | Titan8990_ | dia can get it done in a pinch |
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| 18:20.18 | Titan8990_ | gravity, will have to check that one out |
| 18:20.26 | zipizap123 | ok, thanks everyone - I'll dive in dia, and kivio, and see what they have :) |
| 18:20.33 | gravity | Titan8990_: It's ugly and old, but it tends to work very very well |
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| 18:20.41 | gravity | Or it used to at any rate |
| 18:21.04 | gravity | zen-xstat: More highly skilled people working on core packages |
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| 18:21.09 | Titan8990_ | gravity, the description makes it sound old: A menu-driven tool to draw and manipulate objects interactively in an X window. |
| 18:21.13 | gravity | Oh, and more free time |
| 18:21.30 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, IMO, documentation |
| 18:21.44 | gravity | Titan8990_: It is, but it was quite capable last time I used it |
| 18:21.52 | gravity | Anyway, it's worth a look |
| 18:21.58 | zen-xstat | What core packages are? The ones that holds the kernel and libraries? |
| 18:22.08 | Woodi | Titan8990_: i know someone who makes pictures for latex presentation in xfig and was working well |
| 18:22.16 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, i would assume, apt, kernels, coreutils, etc |
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| 18:22.40 | gravity | zen-xstat: Kernel, libc, X, gcc, etc. |
| 18:22.50 | Titan8990_ | gravity, lol there is a grawity in #linux i kept thinking was you |
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| 18:22.58 | Woodi | Titan8990_: it was for she master degree in math so it is serious app |
| 18:23.02 | gravity | Titan8990_: Heh, that's not me. I don't hang out in #linux :-) |
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| 18:24.13 | Titan8990_ | gravity, #linux really fluctuates on how good it is... right now its fine but other days i see off-topic discussions go on for hours |
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| 18:25.23 | zen-xstat | is Debian project interested in gaining unexperienced and careless users? |
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| 18:25.29 | smitp | !wl |
| 18:25.29 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (14e4:4315). Packaged for Debian <testing>. To install, ask me about <wl one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. |
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| 18:26.03 | johnc | zen-xstat: it depends on what you mean by careless. |
| 18:26.32 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, i mean, if you want to be a part of a linux community jump in... im not sure what you mean by "careless" |
| 18:26.47 | zen-xstat | johnc: careless means that they do not want troubles... they just want thing work the easiest way |
| 18:26.56 | johnc | zen-xstat: everyone wants that. |
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| 18:27.02 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, but if you mean you may rm -rf /bin (happened in this room recently) or something and want support, you may or may not get it |
| 18:27.08 | johnc | zen-xstat: sometimes you are however the first with a certain need. |
| 18:27.22 | johnc | zen-xstat: then you need to do that yourself, that's not an odd thing. |
| 18:27.31 | Hideme | what is a simple and secure mail server for debian? |
| 18:27.45 | Woodi | Hideme: postfix |
| 18:27.50 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, debian is the default MTA for debian |
| 18:27.51 | johnc | Hideme: qmail was pretty secure, IIRC. |
| 18:27.54 | Titan8990_ | err |
| 18:27.59 | johnc | Hideme: probably not simple. |
| 18:28.02 | Titan8990_ | Hideme, s/debian/exim4 |
| 18:28.11 | zen-xstat | Iḿ not here to solve a specific problem, but to know about people who cares about the project |
| 18:28.12 | Woodi | johnc: hi ask about simple :) |
| 18:28.13 | Titan8990_ | johnc, qmail has problems supporting authenticated relay |
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| 18:28.26 | Woodi | Titan8990_: no it has not |
| 18:28.35 | johnc | There are no secure mail servers, so you just have to pick your poison ;) |
| 18:28.43 | Woodi | Titan8990_: it just look it has |
| 18:28.50 | zen-xstat | Iḿ particulary interested in GTK and Gnome project |
| 18:29.15 | Titan8990_ | Woodi, when i did qmail, i only found code patches that allowed it to support authenticated relay |
| 18:29.30 | Titan8990_ | Woodi, the official qmail site talks nothing of auth relay... |
| 18:29.42 | Titan8990_ | Woodi, by default it just uses a classic relay-net setup |
| 18:29.50 | Woodi | Titan8990_: i thinked about open relay, sry |
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| 18:30.13 | johnc | Bye, thanks for the osd_cat suggestion. |
| 18:30.14 | Woodi | Titan8990_: but who many users need relaying ? |
| 18:30.30 | Titan8990_ | Woodi, i would expect ALL of your users to want to relay.... |
| 18:30.34 | zen-xstat | As a medium to isolate careless users who just want to check mail and store pictures, videos, and files from the stable and secure system that Debian works on |
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| 18:31.08 | Titan8990_ | Woodi, w/o auth relay, you would only be able to allow your users to send email if you knew their network address or machine address |
| 18:31.19 | Titan8990_ | Woodi, or have an open relay |
| 18:31.35 | Titan8990_ | Woodi, or webmail is another solution |
| 18:31.43 | Titan8990_ | if someone has something else, I would love to hear it |
| 18:31.46 | smitp | !flash |
| 18:31.47 | dpkg | somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 18:32.05 | Titan8990_ | !tell smitp about selftell |
| 18:32.25 | Woodi | Titan8990_: i use mail for sending from host and catching mails on host only :) |
| 18:33.24 | zen-xstat | Don't know... i want to participate in Debian project but I don't know how. I don't know what are the needs and where I can help |
| 18:33.30 | Titan8990_ | Woodi, unfortunately, thats not often a possible setup in the business world |
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| 18:34.03 | zen-xstat | Right now I'm thinking that Debian needs more users, but more users means more work |
| 18:34.04 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, install squeeze or sid, look for bugs on the website, try to repoduce them and post your results |
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| 18:34.07 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, good way to start |
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| 18:34.16 | gravity | zen-xstat: Is there something that Debian doesn't do well that you'd like to see it do? Alternately, if you're interested in Gnome stuff, just start following the Gnome packaging team's mailing list to see what's needed. |
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| 18:35.00 | gravity | zen-xstat: You'll need to be rather self-guided to work on Debian though. That means learning how to package software and work the BTS and such. |
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| 18:35.42 | racecar56 | how do i make mv merge directories? |
| 18:35.57 | Nikke | anyone with kernel 2.6.30-1 and nvidia? i cant build the kernel module :( |
| 18:36.09 | unstoppable | http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59134 At this link you can learn about how negroid ladies are 3x more likely to be vitamin d deficient, leading to rotten vaginal cavities! Research many facts like this regarding the feral negro beast at Chimpout Forum! We welcome all non-negroid races! |
| 18:36.11 | racecar56 | Nikke: works fine for me |
| 18:36.21 | racecar56 | !nvidia m-a |
| 18:36.21 | dpkg | The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
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| 18:36.45 | racecar56 | Nikke: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers is what *ALWAYS* works for me |
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| 18:36.55 | zen-xstat | Titan8990_ , gravity: thank you for this first approach |
| 18:37.47 | Nikke | racecar56: i get errors |
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| 18:38.33 | eOliva | does anybody knows if "dash" complains about the instruction "if [[ -n "$LC_ALL" ]]; then" (it's an Oracle shell script)....dash is saying that "[[: not found" |
| 18:38.35 | racecar56 | Nikke: like |
| 18:38.37 | Woodi | Titan8990_: Titan8990_ i found http://shupp.org/smtp-auth-tls/ - Qmail SMTP-AUTH path from 2007... |
| 18:38.54 | Nikke | racecar56: http://paste.debian.net/44521/ |
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| 18:39.46 | racecar56 | Nikke: /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv-linux.h:107:27: error: asm/semaphore.h: No such file or directory |
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| 18:40.10 | racecar56 | Nikke: aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search asm/semaphore.h |
| 18:40.20 | racecar56 | Nikke: that must be run as root |
| 18:40.33 | Nikke | racecar56: ye |
| 18:40.36 | Nikke | im trying now |
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| 18:41.37 | Nikke | racecar56: nope still errors |
| 18:41.42 | Nikke | but it installed some thingds |
| 18:42.02 | racecar56 | Nikke: you did install the packages that command i gave you printed out right? |
| 18:42.10 | Nikke | racecar56: yes |
| 18:42.19 | Nikke | apt-file curl{a} libconfig-file-perl{a} libcurl3{a} liblist-moreutils-perl{a} libssh2-1{a} menu{a} |
| 18:42.29 | zen-xstat | I think that Debian needs to focus on the stability as it is well known for; but it needs an interface to link stability with usage. Final users do not want to use the terminal... they are not interested in it's potential and flexibility, they just want things to work fine and smoothly |
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| 18:42.52 | racecar56 | i'm on sid and it's very stable 0.o |
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| 18:43.03 | racecar56 | Nikke: is the error different |
| 18:43.30 | valdyn | zen-xstat: debian does not try to be for the non-technical users |
| 18:43.38 | valdyn | zen-xstat: its by and for its developers primarily |
| 18:43.47 | gravity | That's not really true |
| 18:43.51 | zen-xstat | valdyn: that is why I have asked what are Debian project goals? |
| 18:43.57 | Nikke | racecar56: http://paste.debian.net/44522/ |
| 18:43.58 | blast_hardcheese | zen-xstat: As much as I hate to say it, Ubuntu seems to have the right approach. The same reason ubuntu will never be installed on any of my systems (at least presently) is why ubuntu is a good recommendation for newbies |
| 18:44.28 | zen-xstat | Newbies means popularity |
| 18:44.30 | racecar56 | Nikke: same reror O_. |
| 18:44.33 | racecar56 | Nikke: *error |
| 18:44.35 | Nikke | racecar56: :( |
| 18:44.45 | Nikke | brb 15 mins |
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| 18:45.24 | blast_hardcheese | zen-xstat: That's great. Ubuntu-Corp contributing back to Debian seems ideal, since I don't think many debian users care about popularity. |
| 18:45.36 | racecar56 | isn't debian focused on the users that are used to linux's special terminal? |
| 18:45.46 | blast_hardcheese | Linux in any form getting out into the mainstream is more important than distro-wars |
| 18:45.57 | gravity | Debian's focus is on producing a high quality Free Software OS |
| 18:46.06 | racecar56 | blast_hardcheese: /bin/true |
| 18:46.07 | gravity | *Everything* else is noise |
| 18:46.11 | dfinn | if I use ssh X11 forwarding it works fine but why can't I just set the DISPLAY variable on the remote server to have it display back to my desktop? |
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| 18:46.36 | gravity | Debian isn't for power users any more than it's for newbies. It's for its users and it's for Free software |
| 18:46.43 | blast_hardcheese | dfinn: ssh does other special magicks |
| 18:46.54 | gravity | So if you want to work on Debian to make it easier on newbies, that's great |
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| 18:47.01 | racecar56 | gravity: /bin/true |
| 18:47.06 | dfinn | other than running xhost + on my workstation, what else would need to be done? |
| 18:47.06 | gravity | Some of us have done exactly that |
| 18:47.22 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: In its present state it requires at least a power-user to get it to do fun and interesting things |
| 18:47.29 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Not true. |
| 18:47.36 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Have you installed the thing since woody? |
| 18:47.42 | zen-xstat | What is Debian's goal? To build a secure system, that's ok, and that's it? |
| 18:48.02 | racecar56 | i have only heard of debian since lenny was in testing and only used it when lenny wasn't too far away from being stable |
| 18:48.03 | gravity | zen-xstat: http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
| 18:48.07 | gravity | zen-xstat: Read that. |
| 18:48.12 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: I'm on squeeze/sid right now, completely default gnome install |
| 18:48.16 | gravity | zen-xstat: Be sure to read the Social Contract and DFSG |
| 18:48.18 | racecar56 | i believe the first time i used debian was etch in sep 2008 |
| 18:48.38 | blast_hardcheese | I wanted to see what debian looks like from someone who doesn't do anything hugely special |
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| 18:48.40 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: What about Debian needs a power user? |
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| 18:48.51 | racecar56 | but it was on a virtual machine, first time i tried it on a real comp was in feb 2008, at the release of lenny |
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| 18:48.59 | racecar56 | DOH *feb 2009 |
| 18:49.19 | jirib | hi all |
| 18:49.28 | gravity | We have a browser in main. Most hardware works just out of the box without anything special. |
| 18:49.43 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: The fact that debian works at all on my box at home is due to the fact that I'm not a newbie. nvidia drivers, weird soundcard configuration reqs, |
| 18:49.46 | gravity | We're a far cry from requiring a terminal and power-user status to make things work for a lot of people |
| 18:49.48 | racecar56 | even my built-for-windoze-vista pc is running awesome with kde4.3 :D |
| 18:50.01 | zen-xstat | gravity: thanks |
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| 18:50.07 | jirib | i have an 'up /etc/init.d/i2p start' declared in /etc/network/interface but it is not started, how can i trace/debug it? |
| 18:50.28 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: nvidia drivers are problematic because Debian's primary mission is about Free Software. |
| 18:50.32 | jirib | manually it works of course ;) |
| 18:50.32 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: I'm not claiming this just dumps people out in the middle of the woods, I'm just saying Ubuntu surprised me by asking me if I wanted to download the nonfree nvidia drivers |
| 18:50.38 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Although feel free to contribute to the nouveau effort |
| 18:50.44 | racecar56 | nvidia drivers are cheese easy for me |
| 18:50.58 | racecar56 | thanks to dpkg :D |
| 18:51.01 | blast_hardcheese | racecar56: As are they for me, but I'm saying Ubuntu has streamlined it |
| 18:51.03 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Me too, but that's a compromise they're willing to make |
| 18:51.03 | racecar56 | (the bot) |
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| 18:51.45 | gravity | Given what's available within the boundaries of the Social Contract, Debian does a very good job of being easy for the average user. |
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| 18:52.03 | blast_hardcheese | racecar56: Ubuntu, on first boot, detected an nvidia graphics card, popped up a little window saying "Hey, I've noticed there are non-free drivers available, would you like them? If you don't know what you're doing press yes (or equivalent)" |
| 18:52.21 | blast_hardcheese | I pressed yes, it got them, installed them, restarted X, and suddenly I had graphics acceleration |
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| 18:52.39 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: I would not give unconfigured Debian to my mother |
| 18:52.43 | racecar56 | blast_hardcheese: for my sis they make X not start |
| 18:52.54 | blast_hardcheese | Then again, I wouldn't give unconfigured Ubuntu to my mother either |
| 18:53.15 | zen-xstat | Debian needs Ubuntu to work on Application software |
| 18:53.19 | Titan8990_ | !dfsg |
| 18:53.19 | dpkg | somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 18:53.33 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, no... they don't |
| 18:53.51 | blast_hardcheese | zen-xstat: What does that even mean? |
| 18:53.53 | Titan8990_ | if you like ubuntu, then use ubuntu, don't come to #debian and ask it to be more like ubuntu |
| 18:53.54 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: I don't think I'd give uncofigured anything to my mother. Possibly OSX. Not windows or any version of Linux |
| 18:53.59 | racecar56 | i installed qtparted and it says Cannot get parted version O_o |
| 18:54.11 | racecar56 | i like debian the way it is now, it's easy enough for me |
| 18:54.32 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: I'd give unconfigured OSX to my mother, but that's just because there's no configuration you can really do anyway |
| 18:54.34 | blast_hardcheese | Nothing that matters anyway. |
| 18:54.40 | gravity | heh |
| 18:54.59 | racecar56 | nvidia drivers with ubuntu's popup break X |
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| 18:55.19 | blast_hardcheese | The only thing I'd do would be to enable SSH and install my public key and add her to sudoers with NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 18:55.20 | racecar56 | but module assistant never fails for me :D |
| 18:55.21 | sudobash | yea for some time now |
| 18:55.32 | blast_hardcheese | Just in case |
| 18:55.56 | blast_hardcheese | racecar56: Huh, fair enough. |
| 18:56.08 | blast_hardcheese | Well, time for bed anyway. |
| 18:56.16 | xylox | it would be nice debian installer includes ntfs mounting so as it does for fat32 |
| 18:56.17 | blast_hardcheese | oh wait, before that |
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| 18:56.21 | blast_hardcheese | The reason I came in here: |
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| 18:56.39 | racecar56 | xylox: i do agree with you but that's when fstab comes in :D |
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| 18:57.08 | zen-xstat | Debian is in charge of stability and rock-solid system. There must be a quality jump over application software in Linux to bring new users in |
| 18:57.10 | racecar56 | one big downside about debian i find, installing from a usb drive makes it thing your main drive is hd0,1 and /dev/sdf |
| 18:57.16 | blast_hardcheese | I've got one problem I can't seem to fix; When X starts on this old 400mhz laptop, the virtual terminals go blank and never come back. I can type in them, they are completely functional apart from the not being visible thing. |
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| 18:57.59 | racecar56 | blast_hardcheese: i'm wondering what would happen when i'd start X on that 90mhz processor i have in some box......... haha |
| 18:58.21 | blast_hardcheese | racecar56: This isn't a CPU issue, more of an indication of age |
| 18:58.25 | Titan8990_ | Woodi, that is a code patch you linked me to |
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| 18:58.32 | blast_hardcheese | The graphics chipset is a Silicon Motion (SM710) |
| 18:58.34 | justin | X will work fine on a system with 90mhz.. just need ram :) |
| 18:58.35 | racecar56 | blast_hardcheese: /bin/true |
| 18:58.42 | justin | blast_hardcheese: are you using a FB console at all? |
| 18:58.48 | Titan8990_ | Woodi, the functionality is not built-in |
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| 18:59.42 | blast_hardcheese | justin: I'm sorry, that's one part of Linux I never really grasped, I'm probably using X in FB, but not sure what the VTs are in |
| 18:59.59 | Titan8990_ | blast_hardcheese, virtual terminals |
| 19:00.01 | abchirk | ehm, which php is the best choice for apache and more then one vhost... and different php-inis and not fcgi? because it isn't working that well. :) |
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| 19:00.24 | zen-xstat | Right now, Ubuntu is re-creating the wheel, but i have no doubt that Debian and Ubu must work togheter as a whole, each one in a different field, to give free software a greater market participation |
| 19:00.36 | blast_hardcheese | Titan8990_: ? |
| 19:00.54 | Titan8990_ | nvm, misread |
| 19:01.19 | zen-xstat | We have thousands of application packages |
| 19:01.27 | gravity | zen-xstat: I think you have a lot to learn about how both Debian and Ubuntu work |
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| 19:01.43 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: I think you should file a bug against the xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion package using reportbug |
| 19:01.44 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, debian maintainers do not right the applications, they only package them |
| 19:02.01 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, with the exception of things like apt and what goes along with it such as update-selections |
| 19:02.17 | blast_hardcheese | gravity, So low probability of getting fixed? |
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| 19:02.36 | racecar56 | restarts due to big changes in /etc/fstab |
| 19:02.40 | zen-xstat | Ubuntu can help developing new complex software, and not as a competitor |
| 19:03.04 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Yeah, although as justin mentioned, I'd make sure you're not using fbdev |
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| 19:03.34 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: Ah, fbdev is known for breaking vts? |
| 19:03.39 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Yes. |
| 19:03.42 | Nikke | back |
| 19:03.50 | blast_hardcheese | Roger that, let me check. |
| 19:04.07 | gravity | It's known for breaking many things |
| 19:04.09 | zen-xstat | Linux + Debian + Gnome + GTK + Canonical = improvement |
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| 19:05.15 | abrotman | in your eyes perhaps ... |
| 19:05.29 | zen-xstat | This is abstarct, but it belongs to us... there is no need for a fight between people who share the same principles |
| 19:05.35 | zen-xstat | If that principles are really strong |
| 19:05.49 | gravity | zen-xstat: I really don't think you understand how Debian or Ubuntu actually work and interface with each other. |
| 19:06.11 | gravity | zen-xstat: It's great that you're excited, but your opinions aren't based on anything factual |
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| 19:06.35 | blast_hardcheese | zen-xstat is teetering on the edge of "amateur Troll" status on my radar for not listening to any comments on his/her vision |
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| 19:07.00 | zen-xstat | I'm reading commentsç |
| 19:07.09 | zen-xstat | And i'm learning |
| 19:07.17 | blast_hardcheese | zen-xstat: Well, that's good then. Nevermind. |
| 19:07.32 | zen-xstat | but i'm talking too about not doing the war to ubuntu |
| 19:07.48 | zen-xstat | but neither to sell debian's identity |
| 19:07.48 | blast_hardcheese | What war with Ubuntu are you speaking of? |
| 19:08.22 | zen-xstat | i think that i'm a part of debian project |
| 19:08.29 | zen-xstat | without actually working on it |
| 19:08.43 | zen-xstat | i don't know what Ubuntu aims |
| 19:08.49 | zen-xstat | and maybe that is my problem |
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| 19:09.13 | Woodi | zen-xstat: ubuntu aims Desktop, simple |
| 19:09.21 | zen-xstat | But all this cames because i have read that ubuntu was interested in work togheter with Debian |
| 19:09.29 | zen-xstat | Ok, desktop is necessary |
| 19:09.49 | zen-xstat | Stability is necessary |
| 19:09.50 | gravity | Ubuntu does work together with Debian. |
| 19:10.09 | zen-xstat | Ubuntu is the commercial approach |
| 19:10.16 | gravity | No, that's Canonical |
| 19:10.16 | zen-xstat | Debian is the technical approach |
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| 19:10.24 | avtobiff | zen-xstat, no |
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| 19:10.49 | avtobiff | zen-xstat, you should read the debian social contract |
| 19:11.07 | zen-xstat | OK, i got it but have not read it yet |
| 19:11.08 | racecar56 | is code::blocks in the repos? i don't see it |
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| 19:11.31 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: I'm using the siliconmotion driver, so I'll file a bug report and then just kind of scuff my feet waiting for the bug to be fixed |
| 19:11.38 | Woodi | racecar56: is it perl mod ? |
| 19:11.48 | racecar56 | Woodi: no it's a IDE |
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| 19:12.03 | zen-xstat | It is not important how many packages do you have, but how many of them are really useful |
| 19:12.32 | zen-xstat | Useful by whose? |
| 19:12.47 | zen-xstat | Debian answers development |
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| 19:12.55 | zen-xstat | Ubuntu answers final user |
| 19:12.56 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Well, we'll take a look at the logfiles and try to help you out, but it's going to be tough. That driver is pretty much unmaintained at this point. |
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| 19:13.06 | racecar56 | zen-xstat: /bin/true |
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| 19:13.21 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, dude, how long are you going to stay in here and rant about how debian isn't ubuntu? |
| 19:13.27 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: If you're interested in hacking on it and/or maintaining it, there's help to be had though and we can point you in the right direction |
| 19:13.35 | Titan8990_ | abrotman, ping |
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| 19:13.51 | zen-xstat | Titan8990_: don't get confused about my intention |
| 19:14.04 | Woodi | zen-xstat: Ubuntu is for everyone but admins :) |
| 19:14.11 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, you want to make debian "better" by making it more like ubuntu |
| 19:14.12 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: I'd be willing to at least attempt it, I've had some ideas on how to write a better, abstracted touchscreen driver, but I've had some serious problems figuring out where it should go and how it should be written. |
| 19:14.24 | zen-xstat | Titan8990_: that is a great idea |
| 19:14.27 | racecar56 | i can't say i'm advanced but i'm at least good enough to know debian pretty well |
| 19:14.34 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, its a terrible idea |
| 19:14.42 | Titan8990_ | zen-xstat, do you manage a linux network in production? |
| 19:14.44 | abrotman | Titan8990_: aye? |
| 19:14.49 | Woodi | zen-xstat: i realy do not like do: sudo EVERYTHING... |
| 19:14.55 | craigevil | zen-xstat: debian is already better than ubuntu, anyway ubuntu is off-topic go babble in #ubuntu |
| 19:15.01 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Have you looked at the evdev driver at all? The new X input framework (XI2) just got merged recently to the mainline X server, so X's input drivers are basically abstracted bits around the kernel's driver |
| 19:15.03 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: As much as I understand C syntax, I'll be the first to admit I've never been good at interfacing with C libraries, and attempting to write a kernel module was no different. |
| 19:15.08 | zen-xstat | Titan8990_: but do you know what? If I can do something like that Ubuntu would be using it right away |
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| 19:15.34 | abrotman | zen-xstat: do you have a Debian support related question? |
| 19:15.43 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Well, if you're fixing an already written driver, it's becomes a bit clearer as to what's going on |
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| 19:15.49 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: You'll see if you peek at the code |
| 19:15.57 | zen-xstat | No, i have a 'person who wants to help to the cause' question |
| 19:16.01 | gravity | hasn't looked inside siliconmotion in a long time though |
| 19:16.24 | psi-jack | Curious.. Does anyone know of any Routing and or Authentication "Appliance" distributions based on Debian, like Untangle kinda? |
| 19:16.26 | abrotman | zen-xstat: this is a support channel, not a 'planning' channel |
| 19:16.32 | Woodi | zen-xstat: what exactly is better in ubuntu except some desktop improvements ? |
| 19:16.39 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: I've looked at the source to evdev, but I couldn't really understand it. I was thinking more about writing a driver that was basically packaged with text configuration specifying the source device, (/dev/ttyS3) |
| 19:16.45 | abrotman | Can we please drop the ubuntu nonsense |
| 19:16.51 | zen-xstat | Woodi: They are focused on making Linux popular |
| 19:17.11 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: and also the protocol that gets sent over that device |
| 19:17.13 | abrotman | zen-xstat: please move along .. or move it to #debian-offtopic .. This is not a topic for this channel |
| 19:17.19 | Woodi | zen-xstat: so more like MS Win right ? |
| 19:17.31 | abrotman | Woodi: #debian-offtopic if you'd like to continue |
| 19:17.37 | Woodi | k k :) |
| 19:17.54 | Woodi | must go anyway, gn all |
| 19:18.05 | zen-xstat | Sorry, abrotman don't know if you agree with me keep talking |
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| 19:18.41 | abrotman | zen-xstat: in #debian-offtopic, i'm perfectly fine with it |
| 19:19.21 | zen-xstat | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 19:19.23 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Is that necessary, given evdev? evdev is basically an abstract interface to input devices. There's no text files involved, but it's fully generic. |
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| 19:20.14 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: One of my hobbies is getting old strange hardware and putting linux on it, I run into a lot of weird touchscreens, but none of them are compatible with evdev |
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| 19:20.43 | blast_hardcheese | I've written little python scripts that sit on the stream and print out coordinates and fake touch events, |
| 19:20.44 | gravity | Heh, fun |
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| 19:21.12 | blast_hardcheese | I'm perfectly willing to write modules for evdev, I just didn't know that was where I should be concentrating my efforts |
| 19:21.25 | psi-jack | Anyone? ;) |
| 19:21.30 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Yeah, that's the present and forseeable future |
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| 19:21.47 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: I've not looked on the kernel side for protocol stuff though, so you might end up needing a kernel driver |
| 19:21.50 | unj | !vesa |
| 19:21.50 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
| 19:22.04 | unj | !howcomeitneverworks |
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| 19:22.50 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: Well, I don't really care about that, writing kernel drivers would be fine, since then it could just be a driver that provided a mouse device or some such thing, not a "this just works in this version of Xorg" type of thing. |
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| 19:23.50 | blast_hardcheese | I've run into quite a bit of SiliconMotion graphics cards in my travels as well, so I think improving that driver and attempting to write a kernel driver for my touchscreen should keep me busy for the rest of my vacation |
| 19:23.50 | Cryptic_Donkey | !skype |
| 19:23.50 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 19:24.39 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: I appreciate your guidance |
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| 19:26.40 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: No problem. If you want more help with siliconmotion, you might want to try #xorg-devel on freenode or #debian-x on oftc. |
| 19:27.13 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: Will do. Good night |
| 19:27.47 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, one more question... (Just opened a terminal and this bug yet again reared its ugly head) |
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| 19:28.01 | psi-jack | Does anyone here know of any good nice Debian-based "Network" and/or "Central User Management" Appliance distributions, or web-based interfaces with full documentation on how to set it all up properly? |
| 19:28.12 | blast_hardcheese | every time I open a new terminal instance it starts with the path of the launching process |
| 19:28.23 | blast_hardcheese | instead of ~, like I would expect |
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| 19:29.02 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: I'm pretty sure that's how it generally works. When you launch a new terminal in X, it just inherits ~ from your login |
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| 19:29.16 | bpun | psi-jack, not that i know of.. outside the debian repo, you have webmin |
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| 19:29.28 | psi-jack | Bleh, yeah, webmin.. |
| 19:29.35 | mariok | good evening |
| 19:29.40 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: That's _very_ strange then, since I've never experienced this behaviour. |
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| 19:29.46 | bpun | psi-jack, it fits ur description.. but i guess ud have to try them all out |
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| 19:29.51 | psi-jack | Never been much of a big fan of webmin. |
| 19:29.52 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Maybe I'm misunderstanding then |
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| 19:30.16 | bpun | psi-jack, u have plex but that's commercial.. i believe its free to try out.. |
| 19:30.32 | mariok | I setup apt-move to copy the downloaded files to a local mirror. But it skip some files and I have no idea why. |
| 19:30.44 | psi-jack | bpun: Well, two that come close are Untangle and eBox, but eBox lacks QoS support, and Untangle I'm not sure will do everything I want. |
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| 19:31.10 | bpun | psi-jack, if they aren't debian packages, you can refer to the other linux channel.. |
| 19:31.14 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: No, it sound like you're understanding fine, I'm just really surprised. If I open gnome-terminal it always starts in /, if I mkdir /tmp/foo;cd /tmp/foo;xterm the xterm will start with /tmp/foo as its path |
| 19:31.19 | mariok | Do someone know which data from the debian-packages are used by apt-move ? |
| 19:31.23 | psi-jack | bpun: Untangle is cored on Debian. |
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| 19:31.44 | bpun | psi-jack, #linux folks probably know more than i do on this.. |
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| 19:31.53 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: Yeah, that sounds right to me |
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| 19:32.17 | blast_hardcheese | gravity: Strange. Well, how do I get my X environment to be ~ instead of / then? |
| 19:32.19 | ajavid | psi-jack, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/webserver.htm |
| 19:32.25 | ajavid | psi-jack, this may have some information |
| 19:32.38 | gravity | blast_hardcheese: I assume it's your login manager's fault, but I'm not sure |
| 19:32.41 | blast_hardcheese | I'm not doing cd in ~/.xsessionrc |
| 19:32.59 | psi-jack | ajavid: Nope. |
| 19:33.06 | psi-jack | ajavid: This is all very very basic stuff. Heh |
| 19:33.18 | blast_hardcheese | Well fair enough. I'll play around with Gnome some more, now that I know that it's normal behaviour, just misconfigured |
| 19:33.20 | themill | gravity: some time ago, abrotman noticed that debian was shipping /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/*.ids so we've now got the judd bot data mining them to be able to help us with hardware stuff. But I noticed that many of the sid xserver-xorg-video-* packages are missing these files now. Is there an alternate source for this information that is suitable for mining? |
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| 19:33.42 | gravity | themill: We just used awk to pull them from the sources |
| 19:33.45 | mariok | which information of the debian package could be used to build a debian mirror? |
| 19:33.52 | gravity | themill: The drivers themselves have the PCI lists |
| 19:34.33 | mariok | I spend a few days in searching for a solution. I also tried to study the source code of apt-move but it seems too complicated. |
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| 19:34.52 | racecar56 | where can i get the tiny c compiler? |
| 19:35.05 | gravity | racecar56: It's in the archive as tcc |
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| 19:35.20 | gravity | Also, google |
| 19:35.21 | blast_hardcheese | mariok: I'd just use apt-proxy-v2 and import the packages, it's decent enough, although not a very forgiving application overall |
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| 19:35.35 | themill | gravity: I take it that there's not an alternative that's going to be as simple as "aptitude download '~nxserver-xorg-video-*!~n-dbg!~v'; cp /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/*.ids $TARGET" but is there a way of extracting this information from the binary package still? |
| 19:35.51 | racecar56 | gravity: No candidate version found for tcc |
| 19:35.55 | racecar56 | gravity: :| |
| 19:36.12 | themill | judd versions tcc |
| 19:36.12 | judd | themill: tcc -- etch: 0.9.23-4 lenny: 0.9.24-1 sid: 0.9.24-1 squeeze: 0.9.24-1 |
| 19:36.15 | themill | racecar56: ^^ |
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| 19:36.16 | gravity | themill: Well, there is, but grabbing the sources is easier |
| 19:36.16 | mariok | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.18 | blast_hardcheese | racecar56: aptitude search tcc // p tcc - the smallest ANSI C compiler |
| 19:36.36 | gravity | themill: The drivers used to and presumably still do export all the PCI ID's as symbols |
| 19:36.39 | blast_hardcheese | mariok: Ah, my mistake. |
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| 19:36.45 | gravity | themill: Upstream might be fixing that though |
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| 19:37.18 | themill | gravity: hmm.... so awk on source is the most long term solution. Is said awk script somewhere in XSF VCS? |
| 19:37.30 | mariok | I downloaded a lot of Debian packages (arround 2.2 GB) and apt-move decides to skip 32 of them. |
| 19:37.33 | gravity | themill: It's like a single line of awk |
| 19:37.47 | gravity | And a pipe-through to like one or two other commands |
| 19:37.49 | gravity | It's really simple |
| 19:37.50 | mariok | s/32 of/32 files of/g |
| 19:37.58 | themill | gravity: oh... ok. I was thinking it was going to be a bit more horrendous than that. |
| 19:38.11 | blast_hardcheese | mariok: "32 of" is perfectly fine |
| 19:38.19 | gravity | themill: No, each driver just has a list of ID's it supports. You pull them out and transform them a little bit to be what you want |
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| 19:38.35 | gravity | themill: You'll have to customize a little for each driver though |
| 19:38.40 | themill | :( |
| 19:38.44 | blast_hardcheese | mariok: "32 files of", however, is incorrect. |
| 19:38.47 | gravity | Seriously, it's very simple |
| 19:38.52 | blast_hardcheese | Anyway, I'm off to bed. |
| 19:39.00 | mariok | 32 are skiped and 1544 are copied into the local mirror |
| 19:39.15 | themill | gravity: it's already much more complicated than what we do for lenny.... but yeah, I'll take a poke around in the sources (one day RSN...) and see what I can come up with. |
| 19:39.24 | racecar56 | blast_hardcheese: i don't see it ._. |
| 19:39.37 | racecar56 | blast_hardcheese: using debian sid, is that why? |
| 19:39.52 | blast_hardcheese | racecar56: No, make sure you've got contrib in your sources |
| 19:39.52 | ajavid | psi-jack, http://penguinator.org/ |
| 19:39.55 | gravity | themill: Well, we killed those text files because we're just using upstream's hardcoded list now, since they weren't interested in the text file based solution and we weren't interested in deviating from upstream long-term |
| 19:39.59 | blast_hardcheese | it's probably in there |
| 19:40.24 | racecar56 | blast_hardcheese: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free would that work? |
| 19:40.25 | ajavid | psi-jack, probably not much help but here it is one |
| 19:40.33 | blast_hardcheese | racecar56: Yes. |
| 19:40.41 | racecar56 | blast_hardcheese: that is what i have in there already o.O |
| 19:40.47 | ajavid | psi-jack, Penguinator V3 is a free open source alternative to well knowen hosting control panels such as Plesk. |
| 19:41.00 | themill | gravity: of course. data mining a moving target is just unexpectedly complicated sometimes. (just like the kernel team continually changing their package names in their trunk repo) for your amusement /msg judd xorg 1002:7145 |
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| 19:41.33 | ajavid | psi-jack, unfortunately its made to work for redhat/centos :( |
| 19:41.44 | psi-jack | Yeah, I noticed. |
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| 19:42.57 | gravity | themill: That's neat. I had no idea you guys were doing that. |
| 19:43.16 | themill | gravity: lots of things happen in #d that people don't know about! |
| 19:43.49 | asg | themill: I didn't see abrotman don the bridesmaid dress yet |
| 19:43.50 | gravity | :-) |
| 19:43.53 | ajavid | psi-jack, http://www.web-cp.net/features.php |
| 19:44.18 | themill | heh |
| 19:44.23 | psi-jack | Hmmm |
| 19:44.58 | psi-jack | Basically, what I'm looking for, in general, is not hosting stuff, but I have two systems, 1's dedication is just to be routing and handling the mailserver, and dns caching. |
| 19:45.07 | ajavid | psi-jack, http://flexcp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:45.18 | psi-jack | The other system, is going to be dedicated to just providing authentication. |
| 19:45.35 | psi-jack | ldap+heimdal-krb5 type stuff. |
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| 19:45.57 | ajavid | I See |
| 19:45.59 | mariok | no one there who build his own mirror or probably has any idea which information of the debian-Package could be important to build a mirror. |
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| 19:47.00 | psi-jack | Otherwise, I already have the servers setup for other specific tasks, like one server's dedicated postgresql, another dedicated mysql, and the other, web & ftp access. |
| 19:47.21 | pzn | Any hint about what is better? lvm over raid5 or raid5 over lvm? |
| 19:47.37 | psi-jack | pzm: Hardware raid or softraid? |
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| 19:51.50 | psi-jack | pzm: Well? |
| 19:52.57 | justin | pzn: raid 5 over lvm doesn't even make any sense |
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| 19:54.57 | psi-jack | heh |
| 19:55.09 | psi-jack | justin: Yeah, I know. I was just trying to determine if it was even worth the raid at all. |
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| 19:56.16 | versuchsanstalt | !ops ^^KADIN^^ spams onjoin |
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| 19:57.11 | psi-jack | pzm: Since you're going to simply join and not SAY anything when asked, how do you expect any kind of help at all? |
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| 19:57.57 | versuchsanstalt | i don't have xorg.conf on a fresh stable install. how comes? is X probing on every startup? how can i write probed values to a config file? (i pretty much like the values) |
| 19:58.07 | Tramp | abrotman: tx |
| 19:58.14 | themill | versuchsanstalt: /msg dpkg xorg config |
| 19:58.14 | abrotman | wasn't me |
| 19:58.16 | versuchsanstalt | ah, the relief |
| 19:58.20 | versuchsanstalt | themill: thx |
| 19:58.26 | Tramp | oh. Then I take back the tx. |
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| 20:00.15 | versuchsanstalt | themill: will X -configure write to stdout or xorg.conf? |
| 20:00.37 | unj | how do I generate a blank or general xorg.conf? |
| 20:01.04 | versuchsanstalt | unj: i was told to /msg dpkg xorg config |
| 20:01.12 | versuchsanstalt | and that pretty much did the trick... |
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| 20:01.20 | bpun | versuchsanstalt, it'll create a *new named filed under current working dir |
| 20:01.37 | versuchsanstalt | bpun: that's great, thank you for pointing it out. |
| 20:01.41 | pzn | justin: sure... i didnt think before asking... |
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| 20:01.49 | bpun | unj, by using what versuchsanstalt is relating to |
| 20:02.07 | unj | bpun: cool |
| 20:02.51 | stew | !ops ignore this spam plz |
| 20:02.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: stew complains about: ignore this spam plz |
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| 20:02.58 | stew | !ops ignore this spams plz |
| 20:02.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: stew complains about: ignore this spams plz |
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| 20:04.01 | mariok | bye |
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| 20:04.16 | gravity | A blank xorg.conf can be generated like any other blank file. I like touch. |
| 20:04.26 | themill | :> looks funkier :) |
| 20:04.45 | asg | > is shorter |
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| 20:06.44 | unj | gravity: sudo touch xorg.conf? |
| 20:07.19 | jelly-home | sudo make me a sandwich |
| 20:07.24 | abrotman | eyeballs stew |
| 20:07.44 | asg | abrotman: he seems to be a few carrots and a potato short |
| 20:07.56 | versuchsanstalt | jelly-home is not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported. |
| 20:08.33 | versuchsanstalt | ;) |
| 20:09.08 | abrotman | asg: he needs pepper |
| 20:09.35 | gravity | unj: If there's no xorg.conf there already, then yes. |
| 20:09.42 | gravity | unj: Otherwise, you need to learn unix |
| 20:09.50 | asg | abrotman: salt-n-peppa |
| 20:10.05 | abrotman | seasons stew |
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| 20:12.00 | antii | How the hell can my /var be 15g? |
| 20:12.46 | abrotman | antii: Databases? |
| 20:12.48 | abrotman | logs? |
| 20:12.49 | abrotman | packages? |
| 20:12.55 | antii | hm |
| 20:12.58 | antii | how can I clear it out |
| 20:13.01 | antii | cannot install any new packages now |
| 20:13.09 | abrotman | aptitude clean? |
| 20:13.15 | abrotman | look in /var/log/ |
| 20:13.17 | versuchsanstalt | antii: if you are fine with kde, try kdirstat on /var/ |
| 20:13.26 | antii | versuchsanstalt: its a server |
| 20:13.29 | antii | no X |
| 20:13.38 | Cueball|Work | Or du -h from command line |
| 20:13.43 | versuchsanstalt | kdirstat can talk ssh via fish, i think |
| 20:13.50 | abrotman | du -h /var/* |
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| 20:14.15 | Cryptic_Donkey | !java |
| 20:14.16 | dpkg | it has been said that java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:14.30 | antii | lol |
| 20:14.32 | antii | my log is 15g |
| 20:14.33 | antii | 15G/var/log |
| 20:14.43 | abrotman | not the largest i've seen |
| 20:14.56 | versuchsanstalt | maybe there's a reason, too |
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| 20:17.38 | antii | wierd |
| 20:17.47 | antii | after I cleared /var/log I only got 500mb free |
| 20:18.07 | antii | can I search for like GB files in any way? |
| 20:18.31 | pppoe_dude | what's the difference between CPU scaling and CPU throttling? |
| 20:18.55 | antii | Ah |
| 20:18.56 | SQlvpapir | antii: thats huge |
| 20:19.01 | antii | something is eating like 2MB per second |
| 20:19.03 | antii | wtf?!? |
| 20:19.21 | zinx | pppoe_dude: nothing, though throttling usually refers to what happens when it's in a failure condition (i.e., way too hot) |
| 20:20.00 | pppoe_dude | zinx, i'm trying manually setting throttling, and it seems to slow down the computer, but it's not the same as when it used to automatically scale |
| 20:20.15 | pppoe_dude | for example, there are 8 modes when throttling, but it seems that the cpu frequency stays the same |
| 20:20.28 | pppoe_dude | while there are only 4 modes when scaling, and the frequency changes |
| 20:20.47 | zinx | it's up to the software (kernel or otherwise) to set the frequency automatically |
| 20:21.01 | antii | 100mb disk space lost in some minute |
| 20:21.03 | antii | wtf |
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| 20:21.12 | SQlvpapir | antii: iotop |
| 20:21.22 | antii | huh |
| 20:21.24 | steven43126 | exit |
| 20:21.34 | pppoe_dude | i want to ultimately change the fan speed |
| 20:21.37 | pppoe_dude | im sure i can do that |
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| 20:22.10 | zinx | depends on your specific hardware :/ |
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| 20:22.29 | pppoe_dude | using a toshiba laptop |
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| 20:23.21 | SQlvpapir | antii: iotop could show you what is writing to disk.. its in the repos |
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| 20:23.44 | unj | can xorg.conf work with only a device section? |
| 20:24.11 | filippo85 | hi, if i format a new partition with mkfs.ext4 with no options, i'll use extent feature? |
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| 20:25.18 | antii | SQlvpapir: - Linux >= 2.6.20 with I/O accounting support: Not found |
| 20:25.20 | antii | :O? |
| 20:25.59 | pppoe_dude | ohh looks like i hate to recompile my kernel |
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| 20:27.52 | simonrvn | filippo85: the answer can be found in the man page |
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| 20:33.54 | filippo85 | simonrvn, there's no mount options for ext4 in this man |
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| 20:39.57 | rgr | would you expect .xinitrc to be executed when you log into gdm? if not, why not? Ditto for .xsession. |
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| 20:41.59 | Vanscot | Hi, I need to know if there is any way to create an audio device to use it un the control panel. |
| 20:42.08 | simonrvn | no, since it doesn't read that |
| 20:42.14 | simonrvn | rgr ^^^ |
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| 20:42.37 | konr | Which package contains javac? |
| 20:43.02 | Vanscot | simonrvn: that was for me? |
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| 20:43.25 | themill | konr: many of them. Which java do you want? |
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| 20:43.30 | simonrvn | filippo85: because you're not looking at man mount (hint mount options should've given you a clue) |
| 20:43.49 | konr | themill: sun's java... I'm trying to install netbeans, but there is no javac apparently... Also, is there a netbeans package for debian? |
| 20:43.54 | filippo85 | ok iit's mkfs man |
| 20:44.05 | filippo85 | but all guides about ext4 are wrong |
| 20:44.19 | themill | konr: sun-java6-jdk (non-free) or openjdk-6-jdk (main) are what you want then. |
| 20:44.26 | rgr | simonrvn: do you now a good resoruce which sumamrises which files and when? The plethora of x*** files and .bash* files etc has left me quite cold :-; |
| 20:44.32 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 20:44.48 | rgr | ok, forget that question then. |
| 20:44.58 | simonrvn | filippo85: whatever, ignore what i said, and continue to be in error, see if i effing care |
| 20:45.00 | filippo85 | simNIX, because mkfs.ex4 doesn't enable extents by defaults |
| 20:45.05 | themill | konr: "apt-cache search netbeans" |
| 20:45.07 | Vanscot | The thing is, I have a bluetooth headphones. |
| 20:45.11 | filippo85 | simNIX, because mkfs.ex4 doesn't enable extents by defaults |
| 20:45.11 | DetroitLibertyPe | !chuck norris |
| 20:45.11 | dpkg | [chuck norris] ROUNDHOUSE KICK!, or known to donate blood frequently. Just not his own. |
| 20:45.13 | filippo85 | ops |
| 20:45.17 | filippo85 | simonrvn, |
| 20:45.20 | Vanscot | And I want to detour all the sound system to them. |
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| 20:45.46 | themill | konr: for much of this stuff, you'll need non-free and contrib enabled. /msg dpkg non-free sources |
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| 20:46.11 | filippo85 | simonrvn, i don't ignore what you said |
| 20:46.16 | rgr | so which file can I use which does "things" (e.g runs keychain) which is sourced at xsession login and ssh in and normal bash shell etc. |
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| 20:46.39 | rgr | as well as gnome |
| 20:47.20 | filippo85 | simonrvn, , mkfs.ext4 says that's by default there's no extents but all guide says: if you want to partition a new partition with ext4 do: mkfs.ext4 /dev/... |
| 20:48.09 | filippo85 | and it's wrong . Without extents i see fragmentation on ext4 |
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| 20:48.15 | ebx | Hi |
| 20:48.18 | filippo85 | 66% |
| 20:48.46 | Vanscot | <.< |
| 20:49.02 | Vanscot | No ideas? |
| 20:49.21 | ebx | When I am removing package with apt-get it takes ages, while installing is faster. I know that I havent installed much software is there a way to maybe clean up packages database and make removing/install faster ? |
| 20:49.40 | ebx | I also know that year ago it was way faster |
| 20:50.03 | ebx | Is it because I switched to ext4 from ext3 ? |
| 20:50.07 | beardy | ebx: First of all, use aptitude instead. |
| 20:50.18 | beardy | ebx: It's a possibility. |
| 20:50.41 | filippo85 | there are 3 useful options that mkfs dosn't do by defaults |
| 20:50.43 | filippo85 | on ext4 |
| 20:50.49 | filippo85 | extent |
| 20:50.56 | filippo85 | dir_index |
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| 20:51.06 | beardy | I have not or am not running ext4 so I can't say much about it. |
| 20:51.07 | filippo85 | and uninit_bg |
| 20:51.13 | Vanscot | >.> |
| 20:51.14 | ebx | I had ext3 |
| 20:51.23 | ebx | and I used tunefs to make it ext4 |
| 20:51.42 | edju | volume keys are not working even though xmodmap -v ~/.Xmodmap reveals no errors and xmodmap -pk reveals that the keys are indeed mapped. anything else I can check? |
| 20:51.49 | simonrvn | filippo85: yes, so enable them... |
| 20:52.12 | filippo85 | yes but why noone says this? |
| 20:52.28 | beardy | edju: Mapped to what? Should/can it work just like that, or should there be some acpi scripts handling it when the keys are pressed, and they are not there? |
| 20:52.45 | luke1704 | hello, after 'apt-get install postgresql' Debian 5 crashes. Does anybody know what to do? I cannot remove the package - error message: 1 not fully installed or removed |
| 20:52.59 | ebx | filippo85, how can I check which options I have enabled for ext4 |
| 20:53.02 | ebx | and which I need to add? |
| 20:53.06 | themill | dpkg: tell luke1704 about bat |
| 20:53.17 | simonrvn | filippo85: file a bug saying as much, it should do what it says (and there are some options enabled, check e2label and dumpe2fs) |
| 20:53.18 | beardy | !cluebat themill |
| 20:53.18 | dpkg | beats themill with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 2! The Debian Installation Guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 20:53.20 | filippo85 | ebx i don't know |
| 20:53.26 | beardy | skips away tee-hee:ing |
| 20:53.31 | filippo85 | simonrvn, http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 is wrong |
| 20:53.33 | themill | .kill beardy |
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| 20:54.16 | filippo85 | simonrvn, mkfs.ext4 says that extent is not a default option |
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| 20:55.23 | edju | beardy, Well, mapped correctly, e.g., 160 0x1008ff12 (XF86AudioMute). I don't know about acpi scripts. |
| 20:55.44 | ebx | filippo85, tune2fs -l /dev/my_disc Filesystem features: has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery extent sparse_super uninit_bg |
| 20:56.29 | ebx | filippo85, all are enabled |
| 20:56.29 | beardy | edju: Depends what kind of machine that is, and if (XF86AudioMute) really works/does anything, not sure about it.. if it's connected with ALSA, but that's what one hopes of course. I hope someone else can answer better. |
| 20:56.34 | filippo85 | you have enabled extent |
| 20:56.44 | ebx | yes |
| 20:56.57 | filippo85 | did you make only mkfs.ext4 /dev/...? |
| 20:57.01 | ebx | no |
| 20:57.01 | filippo85 | made |
| 20:57.03 | filippo85 | ok |
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| 20:57.11 | ebx | just tune2fs on ext3 |
| 20:57.15 | filippo85 | kk |
| 20:57.19 | ebx | tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/yourfilesystem |
| 20:57.24 | ebx | then mounted as ext4 |
| 20:57.28 | filippo85 | it's true |
| 20:57.37 | simonrvn | filippo85: so fix it, isn't that a wiki? |
| 20:57.50 | filippo85 | kernelnewbies? |
| 20:57.58 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:58.07 | filippo85 | k |
| 20:58.23 | simonrvn | filippo85: IIRC, that changed in some version, so you'll need to specify that |
| 20:58.25 | filippo85 | no |
| 20:58.39 | filippo85 | i can't change this page |
| 20:58.55 | filippo85 | what is IIRC? |
| 20:59.33 | Hydroxide | If I Recall Correctly |
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| 21:01.41 | filippo85 | k thank you simonrvn |
| 21:02.44 | simonrvn | thank ebx and the others too :) |
| 21:02.46 | ebx | simonrvn, me ? |
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| 21:04.31 | drasko | anybody have idea why LD_PRELOAD is usefull for glibc, when all functions symbols are declared with __attribute__ ((weak)) and can be simply overriden withinh the program you are writing (without bothering to make your own lib, put it to LD_PRELOAD, link with it etc...) |
| 21:04.37 | ebx | simonrvn, is e4defrag tool available in Debian ? |
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| 21:05.11 | simonrvn | ebx: there's some sort of simple .c file on kernel.org i think |
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| 21:07.06 | luke1704 | http://paste.debian.net/44543/ |
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| 21:08.02 | ebx | simonrvn, is it possible to force defragmentation for specyfic files ? |
| 21:08.08 | ebx | simonrvn, like packages database |
| 21:08.28 | simonrvn | i very much doubt it |
| 21:08.44 | simonrvn | if you're fragmenting below 10% i wouldn't worry about it |
| 21:09.02 | ebx | simonrvn, then why removing packages is so slow... |
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| 21:10.32 | simonrvn | why would i know? investigate it |
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| 21:11.29 | jetscreamer | because you're a debian god? |
| 21:11.31 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 21:12.14 | simonrvn | yeh right |
| 21:12.40 | |snikker| | hi, i've got a problem with wireless, it's connected, but doesn't browse... can you help me? |
| 21:12.43 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 21:14.09 | moyix | hey, I'm getting this error when attempting to upgrade hal: http://pastebin.ca/1534326 -- anyone know what's up? |
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| 21:14.29 | indro | hi all |
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| 21:14.48 | indro | what do i need to install that i can use the special keys of cherry keyboard? |
| 21:15.39 | jeward | High, I'm upgrading the kernel for the first time since upgrading from etch to lenny and it seems to be hanging on: grub-probe --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map -t device / |
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| 21:16.12 | jeward | Is it possible something went wrong in the upgrade that's causing grub-probe to hang? |
| 21:16.41 | jeward | I can't even kill it with a -9. |
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| 21:18.29 | eptalon | heyas guys |
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| 21:20.27 | eptalon | some usb sticks are mounted automatically, others aren't? |
| 21:20.40 | eptalon | (debian unstable) |
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| 21:20.50 | zinx | eptalon: strange.. maybe U3 vs. not U3? |
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| 21:21.23 | eptalon | zinx: one sony stick was, until I added it to a raid array by error. |
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| 21:21.40 | eptalon | now repartitioned/reformatted, and it no longer is. |
| 21:22.03 | zinx | takes a little more than repartition to remove U3 :) |
| 21:22.05 | zinx | but not a whole lot |
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| 21:22.27 | eptalon | so how do I get it again? |
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| 21:23.14 | zinx | get what? :X |
| 21:23.27 | eptalon | that thing being automounted again |
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| 21:23.34 | eptalon | or sohwing up as a drive? |
| 21:23.41 | zinx | ah, figure out why it's not being automounted first |
| 21:23.51 | zinx | if you just want to mount it, start up nautilus or something |
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| 21:23.55 | zinx | right click and hit mount |
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| 21:24.18 | konr | for some reason my netbean-ide requires openjdk to install. Is there a way to bypass this? |
| 21:24.33 | zinx | it'll be in "Computer" |
| 21:25.04 | racecar56 | flashplugin-nonfree isn't working in the firefox binary i got from mozilla's site |
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| 21:26.01 | ebx | simonrvn, fsck -pDf helped |
| 21:26.18 | myeggo | hello, im trying to install (reinstall) wine in debian lenny and it says that the 'libfontconfig' is not installed, seeking in apt-get cache i find the libfontconfig1, but is not the correct for wine |
| 21:26.33 | myeggo | i tried to download the .deb file from wine's webpage but it says the same problem |
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| 21:26.46 | eptalon | doesnt even show up |
| 21:27.16 | ldlework | Since #ubuntu flat out ignores my question: Can anyone inform me how to correctly run something during boot BEFORE Session login. So the app is /running/ /during/ the login screen.... Please I cannot figure this out and "update-rc.d myscript start 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 . " Is NOT working for me> |
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| 21:28.29 | simonrvn | ebx: cool, thanks |
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| 21:28.32 | themill | dpkg: tell ldlework about they don't know |
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| 21:29.35 | myeggo | by the way, the package 'fontconfig' is already installed too |
| 21:29.37 | myeggo | some clue? |
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| 21:30.04 | ldlework | themill: Okay are you telling me with a straight face that it is functionally different than Ubuntu, here in Debian? |
| 21:30.13 | ldlework | Because if its technically different your response makes sense |
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| 21:30.35 | ldlework | If you accomplish it in the same way you're answer is a write off since Ubuntu is debian based and this functionality is persistent between distributions |
| 21:30.50 | ldlework | I'm wondering |
| 21:30.58 | themill | ldlework: yes, they are quite different. Ubuntu uses upstart, debian uses sysv-init. |
| 21:31.07 | ldlework | thanks |
| 21:32.14 | themill | (and even if it were not that divergent, that's still the correct answer -- we're volunteers here helping people with debian problems. We know debian, not ubuntu. we don't know what they have done to the packages) |
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| 21:36.23 | eptalon | found the problem. |
| 21:36.43 | eptalon | believe it or not, usb media needs a partition table. |
| 21:36.50 | eptalon | ;) |
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| 21:38.55 | xaashi | hi, out of curiosity does anyone here use xmms2? |
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| 21:40.52 | l3oddah | hello, I am having an issue with Bugzilla running on Debian Lenny. I am using Perl 5.10 and there appears to be an issue with some perl modules and bugzilla in this version. |
| 21:41.32 | l3oddah | Is it possible to roll just perl back to 5.8.8 |
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| 21:43.14 | herbi | moin |
| 21:43.26 | herbi | <herbi> möchte mein lg ku990 handy an meinen rechner per usb anschliessen und daten übertragen |
| 21:43.40 | herbi | brauch da bestimmte treiber? :) |
| 21:43.48 | herbi | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 21:43.57 | herbi | kernel = 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 21:44.34 | indro | hi alol |
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| 21:44.47 | indro | anyone knows a way to run hidpoint @ debian? |
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| 21:45.10 | indro | they do a check if its ubuntu if not it doesnt install. :/ |
| 21:45.27 | nh2 | where to ask technical questions about debian packaging? |
| 21:45.45 | Hydroxide | nh2: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (OFTC not Freenode) or debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
| 21:45.49 | indro | can i fake my uname -a ? |
| 21:46.09 | nh2 | Hydroxide: thank you |
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| 21:46.34 | Hydroxide | indro: that wouldn't help, but in any case hidpoint is something entirely beyond the scope of #debian, as is most proprietary software we don't distribute |
| 21:46.42 | nh2 | Hydroxide: but #debian-mentors seems to be invite only |
| 21:47.00 | Hydroxide | nh2: notice that it's not on Freenode |
| 21:47.12 | Hydroxide | nh2: believe it or not, Debian's main IRC network isn't Freenode :) |
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| 21:48.03 | Hydroxide | nh2: on OFTC (aka irc.debian.org and irc.oftc.net among others) it seems not to be invite-only |
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| 21:50.18 | indro | Hydroxide: okay i see, thanks anyway |
| 21:50.22 | nh2 | Hydroxide: ah sorry, that was just what you'd already writen 8-/ |
| 21:51.21 | Hydroxide | indro: you might be able to hack the OS check somehow by modifying one of the files, but it may be difficult and/or illegal depending on various factors that we here have no idea about |
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| 21:53.05 | BlueG | When I try to install winbind, I get a warning that it can't be authenticated, whether I select the version from backports or from lenny, why is that? |
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| 22:07.38 | Cryptic_Donkey | !psybnc |
| 22:07.39 | dpkg | psybnc is probably One of the most popular IRC bouncers, http://www.psybnc.at/, or at http://sourceforge.net/projects/psybnc/ if the former URL is dead |
| 22:09.45 | Cryptic_Donkey | !znc |
| 22:11.28 | kimbote | !ssh |
| 22:11.28 | dpkg | [ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (www.openssh.org). Clients for other platforms include <putty><cygwin><niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your ssh server include <fail2ban> <denyhosts>. Also see <scp><sftp><ssh without password><sshx><ssh linedraw><debug sshd>. |
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| 22:12.02 | konr | I'm getting "user is not authorized to run the X server, aborting". How can I run X as a user? |
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| 22:14.03 | kimbote | what user |
| 22:14.06 | kimbote | root? |
| 22:14.13 | Vanscot | Sooo.... |
| 22:14.14 | Vanscot | <.< |
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| 22:15.14 | Vanscot | Say, is there a way to create and use a virtual audio device? |
| 22:15.15 | Vanscot | <.< |
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| 22:15.57 | Vanscot | Seems like there is.. |
| 22:15.58 | karsten | Vanscot: To what end? |
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| 22:16.11 | Vanscot | I want to detour all the sound system to my bluetooth headphones. |
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| 22:17.52 | Vanscot | And, so far, I'm able to create it and use it with xine.. |
| 22:18.00 | Vanscot | But I want to use juk too. |
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| 22:18.34 | seria-mau | ok, also (kurze) cd's kann er brennen |
| 22:18.48 | seria-mau | sowohl wodim also auch growisofs weigern sich allerdings ne dvd aufzunehmen |
| 22:18.52 | seria-mau | LG GH22LP20 |
| 22:19.07 | seria-mau | das ist echt zum verzweifeln :( |
| 22:19.20 | seria-mau | im netz kann ich dazu auch nix hilfreiches finden |
| 22:19.39 | Vanscot | what? |
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| 22:20.17 | seria-mau | argh |
| 22:20.20 | seria-mau | sorry, wrong channel |
| 22:20.25 | BlueG | what causes a failure to authenticate packages? |
| 22:20.34 | seria-mau | i thought i was in #debian-de |
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| 22:21.06 | sonata | is there a guide to debian that shows how it works etc.. like the slackware book |
| 22:21.33 | Vanscot | BlueG: old keys? |
| 22:21.52 | Cryptic_Donkey | !ssh |
| 22:21.52 | dpkg | [ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (www.openssh.org). Clients for other platforms include <putty><cygwin><niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your ssh server include <fail2ban> <denyhosts>. Also see <scp><sftp><ssh without password><sshx><ssh linedraw><debug sshd>. |
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| 22:22.12 | Cryptic_Donkey | !gftp |
| 22:22.13 | dpkg | move over, ws-ftp!, or http://bugs.debian.org/176188 |
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| 22:22.32 | BlueG | Vanscot: shouldn't the keys automatically be upgraded? The new key gets added to the repo, signed by the old? |
| 22:22.56 | Vanscot | Well, I'm not too sure if it should work that way... I think not.. |
| 22:23.10 | Vanscot | If someone sets a fake server and signs the packs.. |
| 22:23.26 | Vanscot | If the system auto-adds the keys, woulnd be useless to have them? |
| 22:23.36 | Vanscot | *wouldn't |
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| 22:25.01 | sonata | is there a guide to debian that shows how it works etc.. like the slackware book |
| 22:25.03 | BlueG | Vanscot, where dod you get the new keys from then? |
| 22:25.04 | pppoe_dude | how come /etc/X11/xorg.com is blank in lenny? |
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| 22:25.19 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 22:25.20 | dondelelcaro | sonata: there are a few books out there |
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| 22:25.27 | dondelelcaro | pppoe_dude: because it's pretty much not necessary anymore |
| 22:25.28 | sobersabre | it's not debian specific, but linux related. |
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| 22:25.39 | pppoe_dude | dondelelcaro, how do i change display driver then? |
| 22:25.50 | Vanscot | I think that it's a command, but I cant remember it, I also have some problems with signs of some packages.. |
| 22:25.51 | dondelelcaro | pppoe_dude: you shouldn't need to; it gets picked for you automatically. |
| 22:25.52 | Vanscot | xD |
| 22:26.01 | pppoe_dude | dondelelcaro, yeah but i want to ^_^ |
| 22:26.03 | sobersabre | I know how to limit all given user's processes in memory allocated for them. |
| 22:26.13 | dondelelcaro | pppoe_dude: then write the config file yourself; it's not like it's changed |
| 22:26.13 | sonata | Xorg-configure |
| 22:26.23 | sobersabre | is there a way to do this limitation based on path, instead of user ? |
| 22:26.24 | dondelelcaro | Vanscot: apt-key is the command |
| 22:26.30 | versuchsanstalt | sonata: http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 22:26.41 | sobersabre | with some AppArmor or SELinux maybe ? |
| 22:26.42 | Vanscot | BlueG: @ dondelelcaro |
| 22:26.43 | Enverex | Does anyone know the difference between ARM and ARMEL? Oddly enough Googling doesn't seem to help in that regard |
| 22:27.04 | sonata | versuchsanstalt: thank you just what i was looking for :D |
| 22:27.05 | sobersabre | Enverex: ARM and ATMEL maybe ? |
| 22:27.11 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 22:27.44 | dondelelcaro | (almost any modern arm has the arm eabi, which is what armel targets) |
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| 22:28.47 | Enverex | dondelelcaro, Hrm, so any reason why ARM would be used over ARMEL these days? |
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| 22:28.58 | sobersabre | Enverex: cost ? |
| 22:28.59 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: nope |
| 22:29.44 | dondelelcaro | I mean, if you're that concerned about cost, you're designing for really tiny embedded, and you're probably not going to run Debian at all, anyway |
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| 22:30.21 | Vanscot | Hells yea!!! |
| 22:30.35 | sobersabre | Vanscot: what ? |
| 22:30.36 | Vanscot | I managed to detour all the audio to my bt headphones! |
| 22:30.39 | Vanscot | :D:D:D |
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| 22:30.43 | _budo | did anyone debian lenny come with 2 versions of python? |
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| 22:30.56 | Vanscot | Only one line: pcm.!default pcm.bluetooth |
| 22:31.03 | sobersabre | 2.5 and 2.6 ? |
| 22:31.09 | Vanscot | On my ~/.asoundrc |
| 22:32.32 | Vanscot | I will check the alsa faq a bit more.. |
| 22:32.37 | _budo | 2.5.2-3 and 2 and 2.5.2-15 |
| 22:32.55 | sobersabre | are you sure it counts to 2 ? |
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| 22:33.15 | Vanscot | Maybe I could make some script to auto use bt headphones or normal audio on the fly without too much trouble. |
| 22:34.27 | _budo | hmm |
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| 22:40.18 | akio | I want to boot debian live on a USB for testing purposes. I figured if I found the right ".img" I could just dd it to the drive, is this true? and where do I find this .img |
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| 22:40.45 | missyjane | what is this i hear about traitorship and betrayal? |
| 22:40.50 | missyjane | debian wont be linux in next release? |
| 22:40.53 | missyjane | someone speak up >:( |
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| 22:42.55 | Titan8990 | judd, versions linux-image |
| 22:42.55 | judd | Titan8990: linux-image -- |
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| 22:43.04 | Titan8990 | judd, versions linux-image-686 |
| 22:43.04 | judd | Titan8990: linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.30+20 |
| 22:43.10 | kr1s-- | hi, how can i change the primary sound device with alsa? |
| 22:43.13 | Titan8990 | missyjane, hear where? |
| 22:43.33 | valdyn | kr1s--: for 1 use or globally? |
| 22:43.36 | valdyn | kr1s--: for 1 user or globally? |
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| 22:43.47 | kr1s-- | 1 user |
| 22:43.56 | kr1s-- | for my usb headset |
| 22:44.23 | Vanscot | bye! |
| 22:44.27 | kr1s-- | cat /proc/asound/cards shows 0 Intel ... 1 Usb ... |
| 22:44.38 | valdyn | kr1s--: edit ~/.asoundrc |
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| 22:45.03 | Vanscot | kr1s-- |
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| 22:45.15 | Vanscot | Only one line: pcm.!default pcm.usb_souncard_here |
| 22:45.35 | Vanscot | You need to define it in your ~/.asoundrc |
| 22:45.52 | valdyn | kr1s--: pcm.!default { \ type hw \ card 1 \ device 1 \ } |
| 22:45.54 | valdyn | kr1s--: \ is a newline |
| 22:45.55 | Vanscot | And done, but I dunno how the system will du if you hot-unplug it. |
| 22:46.32 | Vanscot | testing it now, if I pingtimeout, not too good idea to route all the sound to the bluetooth headphones. |
| 22:46.40 | kr1s-- | hehe |
| 22:46.44 | valdyn | kr1s--: on top of that you might add another section for ctl instead of pcm |
| 22:47.08 | valdyn | kr1s--: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/.asoundrc |
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| 22:47.44 | Vanscot | Looking good so far.. |
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| 22:48.12 | valdyn | hotplug should do the right thing iirc |
| 22:48.27 | valdyn | some bad applications could break |
| 22:48.33 | valdyn | gstreamer based apps will work |
| 22:48.40 | kr1s-- | i need it for www.quakelive.com |
| 22:48.42 | kr1s-- | :) |
| 22:49.01 | valdyn | kr1s--: as long as you dont hotplug while the game is running, theres no problem |
| 22:49.13 | kr1s-- | okay |
| 22:49.29 | kr1s-- | should i reload the config? |
| 22:49.34 | Vanscot | valdyn: is that page mirrored in english somewhere? |
| 22:49.36 | valdyn | kr1s--: no |
| 22:49.40 | valdyn | Vanscot: oops |
| 22:49.44 | valdyn | Vanscot: i didnt notice |
| 22:50.11 | valdyn | kr1s--: maybe its better to use asoundconf set-default-card ( see manpage ), but if you do it right the result is the same |
| 22:50.20 | Vanscot | No problem, I actually understand the code of the files and could assume what it does, but I want to be sure. |
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| 22:51.03 | missyjane | Titan8990, you dont know? :) |
| 22:51.04 | valdyn | http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc |
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| 22:52.29 | valdyn | what this needs is a nice GUI |
| 22:53.50 | steampunkey | Does evince have an OCR built-in, or does it just render fonts badly? Actually, probably the third option is that PDF works this way (stores images AND text), but that's weird. Which one is it? |
| 22:54.07 | valdyn | steampunkey: it renders fonts perfectly fine |
| 22:54.12 | valdyn | steampunkey: and it has ocr built in |
| 22:54.33 | valdyn | steampunkey: rendered fonts need ocr too |
| 22:54.34 | steampunkey | How come it's better than ocra? |
| 22:54.52 | valdyn | steampunkey: as i dont think it actually embeds fonts, only the shapes |
| 22:55.08 | valdyn | steampunkey: i didnt write it |
| 22:56.05 | steampunkey | ocr for rendering fonts? wth? |
| 22:56.05 | kr1s-- | damn. How to scroll up with irssi? :) |
| 22:56.26 | cromag | pgup |
| 22:56.30 | cromag | and pgdn for down |
| 22:56.32 | steampunkey | makes no sense. |
| 22:56.33 | kr1s-- | hmpf :( |
| 22:56.36 | valdyn | steampunkey: *rendered* fonts |
| 22:56.37 | kr1s-- | cromag: thx |
| 22:56.41 | cromag | np |
| 22:56.46 | ranix | I would have never thought of that one, cromag ! |
| 22:56.55 | valdyn | steampunkey: do you know if pdf embeds fonts or stores just the shapes? I don't |
| 22:56.59 | cromag | :) |
| 22:57.13 | fishbreath | krisje8: to scroll in any console based application ues your page up and page down keys |
| 22:57.13 | ranix | valdyn: pdf may embed font |
| 22:57.32 | ranix | valdyn: there's a set of fonts PDF viewers must support to meet spec |
| 22:57.48 | steampunkey | storing text in form of a picture (shape) would make no sense |
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| 22:57.58 | valdyn | steampunkey: thats done all the time |
| 22:58.05 | valdyn | steampunkey: you cannot just redistribute fonts |
| 22:58.10 | ranix | steampunkey: vector |
| 22:58.11 | fishbreath | Is kpdf able to create ands edit pdfs? |
| 22:58.43 | steampunkey | unless you're talking about scans, arbitrary font is fine. |
| 22:58.45 | valdyn | steampunkey: most fonts are not free to distribute, and are *very* expensive |
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| 22:59.06 | steampunkey | gtg, sry |
| 22:59.06 | fishbreath | !kpdf |
| 22:59.07 | dpkg | it has been said that kpdf is a good open-source PDF reader for Linux. |
| 22:59.19 | fishbreath | !xpdf |
| 22:59.20 | dpkg | [xpdf] aPortable Document Format viewer for X11 |
| 22:59.51 | ranix | one doesn't generally edit a PDF |
| 22:59.54 | ranix | pdf is an output format |
| 23:00.03 | ranix | not one for using as an original |
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| 23:00.06 | fishbreath | thanks ranix |
| 23:00.27 | ranix | np fishbreath |
| 23:01.32 | valdyn | hmm, evince isnt doing the ocr |
| 23:01.39 | valdyn | scanners are embedding that into the pdf |
| 23:01.47 | valdyn | that fooled me it seems |
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| 23:02.49 | themill | valdyn: yes, I've seen that before -- image of original with selectable, OCR text behind |
| 23:02.57 | head-deb-geek88 | I am more of a hardware guy my self |
| 23:03.00 | themill | head-deb-geek88: /msg dpkg edit pdf |
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| 23:04.24 | themill | head-deb-geek88: and perhaps you could try keeping the same nickname for more than a few minutes and try messaging the bot in private if you want to lookup factoids. /msg dpkg bot help |
| 23:05.19 | head-deb-geek88 | thanks themill |
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| 23:06.27 | peterrooney | my xterm is still driving me crazy - arrow keys don't work in anything that resembles ncurses type menus: aptitude, alsa-mixer, and now screen. |
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| 23:07.16 | zinx | peterrooney: strange.. using Debian? |
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| 23:07.39 | dutchfish | hi, in debian squeeze amd64 (not checked in stable) git-commit opens default editor specified by editor -> /usr/bin/edit -> run-mailcap which runs an editor by mime type .. how to change this behavior to my wanted editor? |
| 23:08.00 | peterrooney | zinx: yep. |
| 23:08.11 | mooneye | If I have a .tar.gz file how can I convert it to .tbz? |
| 23:08.16 | zinx | peterrooney: what is $TERM set to? |
| 23:08.28 | peterrooney | ^A down arrow just dumps me back to the same screen shell |
| 23:08.34 | zinx | mooneye: gunzip foo.tar.gz && bzip2 foo.tar |
| 23:08.49 | mooneye | zinx:ok, I'll try it out |
| 23:08.50 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:08.59 | peterrooney | zinx: it's set to `screen' |
| 23:09.15 | zinx | peterrooney: what's it set to outside of screen? |
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| 23:09.37 | art3mis | quick retarded question |
| 23:09.44 | peterrooney | zinx: `xterm' |
| 23:09.53 | themill | dutchfish: either update-alternatives for edit or set EDITOR |
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| 23:09.56 | zinx | peterrooney: dunno, should work :x |
| 23:10.05 | art3mis | if 'top' says that the cpu idle is 91% yet the top running app is using 30% does that mean its using 30% of 9%, or is it a badly timed screen shot OR is top actually showing an average idle across dual/quadcore cpus |
| 23:10.28 | dutchfish | themill, i dont want to mess with run-mailcap |
| 23:10.34 | peterrooney | art3mis: check if irix mode is on or off. |
| 23:10.35 | art3mis | I'm thinking its the alter |
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| 23:10.44 | art3mis | irix mode? |
| 23:10.49 | art3mis | err later |
| 23:10.55 | Ezep | How could I get OpenGL version? glxinfo seems to don't show it |
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| 23:11.16 | themill | dutchfish: export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim ; git commit etc |
| 23:11.28 | valdyn | art3mis: how many cpu or cores does that system have? |
| 23:11.37 | art3mis | its a quad xeon |
| 23:11.46 | art3mis | err quadcorexeon I believe single cpu |
| 23:11.52 | dutchfish | themill, and that export statement isnt sustained over sessions right? |
| 23:12.07 | valdyn | art3mis: 30% of one core, 91% idle of 4 cores |
| 23:12.12 | themill | dutchfish: no |
| 23:12.13 | valdyn | art3mis: thats about right |
| 23:12.18 | art3mis | k that's what I thought |
| 23:12.21 | nsadmin | I have a sign... it's a quad neon... it says "COOL" |
| 23:12.21 | dutchfish | themill, thank you Sir! |
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| 23:12.24 | art3mis | thanks |
| 23:12.39 | themill | dutchfish: I don't know why git is using /usr/bin/edit anyway. /usr/bin/editor would be more sensible |
| 23:13.18 | dutchfish | themill, true |
| 23:13.19 | nsadmin | themill: configuration? something like git should be able to use anything |
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| 23:14.06 | nsadmin | what happens if you have EDITOR and VISUAL set? |
| 23:14.11 | themill | dutchfish, nsadmin: it can. It will use GIT_EDITOR, core.editor (config), EDITOR |
| 23:14.17 | dutchfish | themill, prolly because of commit through mail |
| 23:14.43 | dutchfish | themill, was wondering about that too |
| 23:14.53 | themill | dutchfish: man git-commit |
| 23:15.21 | nsadmin | themill: ahh... so what you're saying is you think it's configured unreasonably |
| 23:15.29 | dutchfish | themill, git-commit tells met edit; which edit tells /usr/bin/edit |
| 23:15.46 | dutchfish | themill, on squeeze that is |
| 23:15.49 | themill | dutchfish: how do you get git-commit to tell you that? |
| 23:16.10 | dutchfish | themill, strace |
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| 23:16.35 | themill | "when you have strace, everything looks like a nail" |
| 23:16.55 | nsadmin | "including strace itself" |
| 23:17.24 | dutchfish | nsadmin, export statement for edit does work for now, i am stisfied |
| 23:17.38 | dutchfish | s/stisfied/satisfied |
| 23:17.43 | dutchfish | whatever |
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| 23:18.07 | dutchfish | thanks nsadmin |
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| 23:19.51 | dutchfish | themill, got it: git config core.editor "nano" :) |
| 23:20.07 | themill | dutchfish: I said that! or GIT_EDITOR :) |
| 23:20.27 | dutchfish | themill, np, thanks |
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| 23:21.59 | seria-mau | i have a problem with a new dvd/cd writer, its an LG GH22LP20 |
| 23:22.21 | seria-mau | i can read every dvd/cd i throw at it and managed to burn (small) cds |
| 23:22.28 | seria-mau | but i cant manage to write dvds |
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| 23:24.33 | seria-mau | that's what wodim says: http://paste.debian.net/44556/ |
| 23:25.17 | Titan8990 | Sense Key: 0x3 Medium Error, Segment 0 |
| 23:25.25 | Titan8990 | problem with the disc maybe? |
| 23:25.26 | seria-mau | and that's growisofs output: http://paste.debian.net/44557/ |
| 23:26.25 | seria-mau | i will try another one |
| 23:26.52 | art3mis | are they reg discs or dl's? |
| 23:27.02 | seria-mau | what's dl's ? |
| 23:27.06 | art3mis | dual layer |
| 23:27.13 | seria-mau | single layer |
| 23:27.29 | seria-mau | err, i mean single sided |
| 23:27.47 | art3mis | heh single layer was right |
| 23:27.57 | art3mis | dual layers are the 8.4gb discs |
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| 23:29.15 | seria-mau | yeah, but aren't they double sided? ;) |
| 23:29.49 | art3mis | mosdt dual layers aren't ;) |
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| 23:30.56 | seria-mau | hmm, ok. -dummy mode works |
| 23:31.44 | seria-mau | art3mis: you think i should try discs from another manufacturer? |
| 23:31.50 | DeSian | after upgrading to squeeze, the sound driver is changed to OSS mixer nor more ALSA and the sound is too quiet, any way to have the ALSA again? |
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| 23:32.22 | art3mis | it could be possible that a) you're selecting to fast a speed for the disc or b) the writer might not like yer discs |
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| 23:32.32 | art3mis | although b is one of those anomaly things these days |
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| 23:33.21 | art3mis | of course if its a dvd that wasn't in the system when you installed the driver might be the issue as well |
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| 23:33.31 | art3mis | seems others have had that problem with lenny |
| 23:33.36 | seria-mau | what drivers? |
| 23:33.39 | art3mis | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=40596 |
| 23:33.46 | art3mis | for the burner |
| 23:34.00 | art3mis | like back in the old days with video cards ;) |
| 23:34.08 | seria-mau | i do need to install drivers? o.O |
| 23:34.15 | art3mis | you shouldnt |
| 23:34.31 | art3mis | but the drivers that are there might not issue the correct commands to the burner |
| 23:34.56 | art3mis | if you've got another box you can try putting the drive in there and doing a fresh install just to see |
| 23:35.09 | seria-mau | dunno. the drive spins up in dummy mode as if it would burn |
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| 23:35.24 | art3mis | does it go through the motions if you run it in test mode? |
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| 23:36.58 | seria-mau | art3mis: yes |
| 23:37.20 | seria-mau | i had that problem with an older cd burner on a ubuntu box that suddenly stopped working |
| 23:37.31 | seria-mau | somethings terribly wrong with some package here... |
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| 23:38.43 | art3mis | hrm I dunno then, if it was me I'd purge and redeaux ;) |
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| 23:38.52 | art3mis | but I don't have much I care about on my machines |
| 23:38.54 | seria-mau | redaux? |
| 23:38.58 | art3mis | and lots of drive space to backup |
| 23:39.01 | art3mis | redo |
| 23:39.23 | art3mis | wipe and reinstall with the new drive |
| 23:39.27 | seria-mau | smells like windows. "just reinstall" :/ |
| 23:39.56 | seria-mau | i shouldnt have to do that |
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| 23:39.56 | art3mis | hehe yeah |
| 23:39.56 | art3mis | you can try purgeing the packages for writing |
| 23:40.04 | art3mis | and re apt-getting them |
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| 23:40.10 | art3mis | they might detect differently |
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| 23:41.30 | art3mis | jerbear did you used to play Netherworld mud back in the 90s? |
| 23:42.02 | jerbear | art3mis: nope |
| 23:42.07 | jerbear | why? |
| 23:42.18 | seria-mau | art3mis: btw, is there a aptitude command to purge all packages i just deinstalled? |
| 23:42.34 | art3mis | just a name I've seen before back when I played |
| 23:43.55 | art3mis | apt-get --purge remove packages |
| 23:44.08 | art3mis | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 23:44.35 | DeSian | any idea? |
| 23:44.44 | art3mis | about what |
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| 23:45.06 | chrisrio | hey guys can I install the mod_deflate module for apache 2 using aptitude? |
| 23:45.18 | chrisrio | its currently not on my box at all |
| 23:45.38 | sonata | what version of gnome does debian stable have ? |
| 23:45.38 | DeSian | art3mis, after upgrading to squeeze, the sound driver is changed to OSS mixer nor more ALSA and the sound is too quiet, any way to have the ALSA again? |
| 23:46.16 | art3mis | chris: http://www.howtoforge.com/apache2_mod_deflate |
| 23:46.16 | DeSian | sonata, apt-cache policy gnome |
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| 23:47.12 | DeSian | sonata, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-desktop.html |
| 23:47.28 | sonata | DeSian: thank you :D |
| 23:48.01 | DeSian | i dont like it |
| 23:48.19 | art3mis | http://www.itags.org/software/1559493/ |
| 23:48.23 | art3mis | check comment 4 or 5 |
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| 23:48.29 | seria-mau | art3mis: in dummy mode, the drive dma speeds are detected differently |
| 23:48.31 | art3mis | desian |
| 23:48.37 | sonata | DeSian: you don't like gnome ? |
| 23:48.54 | DeSian | art3mis, what ? |
| 23:49.01 | DeSian | sonata, yes |
| 23:49.01 | art3mis | seria: that may be where the problem is coming from then |
| 23:49.07 | sonata | DeSian: what do you use ? |
| 23:49.14 | art3mis | desian: going back to alsa from oss |
| 23:49.25 | art3mis | that linky in the comments tells ya |
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| 23:49.41 | DeSian | ok thnx |
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| 23:49.49 | art3mis | its like comment 4 or 5 |
| 23:49.52 | DeSian | sonata, XFCE and lxde |
| 23:50.04 | art3mis | xfce is rad for 1 reason only |
| 23:50.06 | art3mis | conky |
| 23:50.08 | art3mis | ;) |
| 23:50.10 | sonata | DeSian: nice i was a kde user but kde4 is really bad |
| 23:50.23 | art3mis | cinky is the bees knees |
| 23:50.24 | sonata | made me switch back to gnome |
| 23:50.26 | art3mis | conky |
| 23:50.35 | art3mis | I thought kde4 was awesome? |
| 23:50.41 | art3mis | like so much better than rpevious |
| 23:50.43 | sonata | art3mis: it's so bloated with eye candy |
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| 23:50.48 | art3mis | did they gay it up? |
| 23:50.48 | ranix | what is conky |
| 23:50.49 | pppoe_dude | has anyone had success trying to modify the file trip_points or trying to change the behaviour of their laptop fan? |
| 23:50.58 | seria-mau | but then again, the dma speed seems to change everytime |
| 23:51.00 | sonata | art3mis: yeah silly effects for no reason |
| 23:51.03 | ranix | !conky |
| 23:51.03 | art3mis | ranix: a rad little util that shows system stats are your background |
| 23:51.03 | dpkg | Conky is a highly configurable system monitor for X, based on torsmo, packaged for Debian. http://conky.sf.net/faq.html http://conky.wikia.com/ http://conky.sf.net/ #conky on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:51.05 | DeSian | art3mis, lxde is best one, i have 8 GB ram but never use gnome or KDE, they are too big for nothing |
| 23:51.05 | chrisrio | art3mis: I cant find a2enmod on my box anywhere :| |
| 23:51.30 | art3mis | its short for apache2 enable mod |
| 23:51.35 | DeSian | chrisrio, is apache installed? |
| 23:51.38 | chrisrio | ya |
| 23:51.40 | art3mis | you can manually enable the mod the otehr way as well |
| 23:51.47 | seria-mau | art3mis: same error |
| 23:51.50 | chrisrio | I did it the other way, editing httpd.conf |
| 23:51.54 | art3mis | updatedb && find a2enmod |
| 23:52.08 | chrisrio | but mod_deflate isnt in my modules dir |
| 23:52.13 | art3mis | if you've got apache2 installed from apt its there somewheres |
| 23:52.22 | chrisrio | mod_deflate hasnt been compiled it looks like |
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| 23:52.24 | art3mis | you'll need to leech it and put it there then |
| 23:52.25 | chrisrio | I fond the relevant .c |
| 23:52.30 | chrisrio | found* |
| 23:52.32 | DeSian | chrisrio, http://www.mysql-apache-php.com/ |
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| 23:54.38 | art3mis | seria: can you set the burn speed? |
| 23:55.02 | art3mis | ranix: careful of conky |
| 23:55.10 | art3mis | it's really addictive to toy with ;) |
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| 23:56.48 | art3mis | wooo |
| 23:56.57 | art3mis | thunderstorms tnoight tomorrow and the nextday! |
| 23:57.05 | art3mis | and yet still 32C |
| 23:57.08 | art3mis | grumble |
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| 23:58.23 | art3mis | oooooo |
| 23:58.32 | art3mis | dtc is going "final" soonish |
| 23:58.44 | art3mis | <3 dtc |
