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| 00:01.13 | chrisrio | looks like apache was built from source on this server |
| 00:01.14 | chrisrio | rather than apt-get |
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| 00:03.59 | pppoe_dude | how can I download a package and its dependencies in a folder, without manually doing all of that? or is there no way? |
| 00:04.00 | mhall | Hey guys, how do I get the lateest USB stick installer for i386? I am not sure what file in http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ I need. |
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| 00:04.52 | markybob | !usb install |
| 00:04.53 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/) |
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| 00:07.37 | ranix | I don't want to sound gay or nothing, but I think unicorns are awesome |
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| 00:09.08 | markybob | ranix, i'm sure #debian-offtopic cares |
| 00:09.15 | seria-mau | art3mis: interesting. cdrecord thinks my empty dvd recordables are empty, but have a audio track in session 1 with size zero |
| 00:09.29 | lsd | i'm trying to create a package from scratch that only contains a few scripts but it insists on naming the package with my architecture. any tips? |
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| 00:09.58 | lsd | is dh_* noob |
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| 00:10.23 | chops1 | To whom it may concern: cmake is making me unhappy. That is all. |
| 00:11.07 | Ruesselbonbon | anyone knows why I can't use mod_wsgi in lenny, I aptitued it, but a2enmod doesn't show it |
| 00:12.54 | paissad-hp | hi everybody ! |
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| 00:13.27 | paissad-hp | i would like to run a vnc server in my desktop-server station |
| 00:13.27 | paissad-hp | here is what i did, is it correct ? |
| 00:13.27 | paissad-hp | root@paissad-server:~# ps ax | grep -i vnc | grep -v grep | pastebinit - |
| 00:13.27 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f1cff3e3e |
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| 00:13.57 | jnwhiteh | mysqldump: Can't read dir of '/etc/mysql/conf.d/' (Errcode: 2) |
| 00:13.57 | jnwhiteh | Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted |
| 00:13.59 | jnwhiteh | Since upgrading my stable install today, I'm getting the following error when running mysqldump: |
| 00:14.07 | jnwhiteh | Anyone else encountered this issue? |
| 00:14.19 | lsd | what error? |
| 00:14.42 | jnwhiteh | I pasted it before my intro, in spectacularly stupid fashion :P |
| 00:14.48 | jnwhiteh | mysqldump: Can't read dir of '/etc/mysql/conf.d/' (Errcode: 2) |
| 00:15.19 | lsd | ah |
| 00:15.50 | dub | recommendations for a backup solution to a hot standby? |
| 00:16.22 | lsd | jnwhiteh, do you have the dir? |
| 00:16.29 | paissad-hp | but the matter is that when i type ' vncviewer paissad-server from my laptop, i have this error |
| 00:16.30 | dub | just a few flat directories, no need for realtime |
| 00:16.31 | paissad-hp | vncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused |
| 00:16.31 | paissad-hp | Unable to connect to VNC server |
| 00:16.31 | paissad-hp | You are trying to send an empty document, exiting. |
| 00:16.54 | lsd | dub, to hot standby from hot live? |
| 00:16.54 | markybob | dub, then just set up an rsync cron job every minute to update changed files |
| 00:16.57 | paissad-hp | where am i wrong ? |
| 00:17.09 | dub | is it worth rolling backula or am I better off with a script and rsych/scp |
| 00:17.12 | markybob | dub, if you just have a few dirs and need nothing fancy, that should be enough |
| 00:17.25 | jnwhiteh | lsd: No I don't, and creating it seems to "solve" the issue. Is there a good place for me to post the bug report? |
| 00:17.27 | markybob | dub, i'd stick with rsync |
| 00:17.47 | lsd | jnwhiteh, mysql-common creates that dir |
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| 00:18.06 | lsd | dub, depends what you're backing up |
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| 00:18.11 | jnwhiteh | lsd: I have that package installed, and the system has been working for quite some time |
| 00:18.13 | xenoterracide | where's debian store a hosts domain? |
| 00:18.19 | lsd | dub, when doing hot backup you always run the risk of out-of-step data |
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| 00:18.47 | lsd | jnwhiteh, looks like that dir got deleted somehow (unusual) |
| 00:19.09 | lsd | dub, backula's good though. basically rsync, yeah |
| 00:19.23 | jnwhiteh | *nod*, thanks for the help |
| 00:19.30 | dub | the data is flat files, low risk of changes when the backups will be taking place |
| 00:19.45 | lsd | can't think of a better way than some rsync-based solution |
| 00:19.53 | dub | cool, thanks |
| 00:20.26 | abrotman | xenoterracide: uh what? |
| 00:20.27 | markybob | you're welcome :P |
| 00:20.32 | markybob | tsk tsk |
| 00:21.35 | xenoterracide | a computer has a host and a domain name to make the fqdn currently my system identifies as host.localdomain I need to figure out where to change the localdomain part |
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| 00:23.10 | Titan8990 | xenoterracide, /etc/hostname |
| 00:23.23 | xenoterracide | Titan8990: isn't that just the hostname? |
| 00:23.52 | lsd | is there a channel for package creation / maintenance help? |
| 00:24.01 | abrotman | xenoterracide: oh .. /etc/mailname ? |
| 00:24.05 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 00:24.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 00:24.12 | lsd | thanks |
| 00:24.35 | lsd | jacks open another # |
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| 00:25.07 | lsd | bit sparse in there |
| 00:25.55 | paseante | is there something like Ubuntu's PPAs for Debian? |
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| 00:26.29 | Tramp | waited a record 2 seconds for an answer |
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| 00:26.35 | brad_ | how can i verify a tar file ? |
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| 00:27.08 | Tramp | brad_: tar tf file? |
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| 00:27.34 | brad_ | winrar says the file is corrupt |
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| 00:28.15 | lsd | eh |
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| 00:28.19 | Tramp | well, then you "verified" it through winrar and it failed |
| 00:28.20 | lsd | it probably is then, since it's not a very complicated format |
| 00:29.20 | brad_ | I'm not sure how it could get corrupt I just created it. it is 100gigs though |
| 00:29.57 | lsd | what did you create it with? |
| 00:30.00 | brad_ | tar |
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| 00:30.09 | brad_ | tar cvf |
| 00:30.15 | lsd | so try what Tramp said |
| 00:30.33 | seria-mau | art3mis: ok, i managed to burn a dvd image with schillings cdrecord from his latest cdrtools 2.01.01a63, although it predicted a possible 1216 buffer underruns. but the disk seems to be fine |
| 00:30.47 | brad_ | it's running already |
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| 00:31.02 | Tramp | winrar does tar? |
| 00:31.06 | lsd | yeah, for yeeeeears |
| 00:31.10 | lsd | and .tgz |
| 00:31.20 | lsd | i think -j too |
| 00:31.22 | brad_ | I'm wonder if it has some limitations that might cause this |
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| 00:32.06 | lsd | brad_, try 7z? |
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| 00:32.17 | lsd | http://www.7-zip.org/ |
| 00:32.31 | lsd | winrar kinda stinks |
| 00:32.36 | lsd | nagware |
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| 00:32.45 | nevyn | and capabilities |
| 00:32.50 | lsd | si |
| 00:32.54 | brad_ | now it's running in cygwin tar |
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| 00:35.21 | brad_ | its the backup of a server I'm about to install vmware on, I need to make sure it's good |
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| 00:36.22 | lsd | hmm |
| 00:36.38 | lsd | you should probably have -p in tar opts |
| 00:36.42 | seria-mau | art3mis: http://paste.debian.net/44563/ |
| 00:36.54 | brad_ | I'm moving from kvm to vmware exsi |
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| 00:37.11 | chiwawa_42 | Hi ! I just built a raid6 array made of 8 1TB hard drives. Initial sync is damn slow, about 20MB/s, where the array is supposed to have approx. 400MB/s bandwidth. Why is the sync so slow ? Is there any way to make things a bit faster ? |
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| 00:37.49 | lsd | brad_, if you have both vms running at the same time, and you can shell from the new to the old vm, you can get clever |
| 00:38.11 | markybob | chiwawa_42, sync is always slow, so it doesnt impact running performance |
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| 00:39.23 | brad_ | 7z says it's going to take 40mins to open my tar file |
| 00:39.24 | chiwawa_42 | markybob: I saw sync_speed_min and sync_speed_max files in /sys/block/md0/md/ and tried to set them to higher value, because there's no other I/O pending on this array anyway. It didn't impact the sync speed at all |
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| 00:39.30 | lsd | brad_, like from new vm: ssh -o Compression=no root@oldvm "cd /; tar cpf - /each /important /dir /listed /here" | (cd /; tar xvf -) |
| 00:39.48 | lsd | but i guess that's a bit dodgy unless you know exactly what you want :p |
| 00:39.54 | brad_ | lsd, I can't get them running at the same time |
| 00:39.58 | lsd | ok |
| 00:40.12 | brad_ | if I could I might be tempted to use dd |
| 00:40.17 | lsd | bad idea |
| 00:40.31 | brad_ | tar and netcat ? |
| 00:40.40 | lsd | same thing |
| 00:40.47 | lsd | (as above cmd) |
| 00:40.50 | brad_ | i see |
| 00:41.05 | chiwawa_42 | waht would be you FS of choice to store (mostly) large files (hundreds of MB) on a 6TB array ? |
| 00:41.23 | lsd | such tiny files? :) |
| 00:42.22 | lsd | oh you'd need -p option in the tar -x too |
| 00:43.33 | lsd | chiwawa_42, i'm no hans reiser (*cough*) but basically any reasonably modern filesystem will be happy with that kind of file |
| 00:43.55 | Deepa_ | chiwawa_42: FAT32 |
| 00:43.57 | brad_ | even ntfs ? |
| 00:43.58 | Deepa_ | :DD |
| 00:44.03 | lsd | chiwawa_42, you only need to think harder when you have, for eg, millions of tiny files |
| 00:44.04 | chiwawa_42 | lsd: probably any fs BUT ext3, I guess |
| 00:44.12 | lsd | because that's harder to manage |
| 00:44.39 | lsd | sure, fat32, ntfs. unless you're doing lots of writes... then you probably want journalling |
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| 00:44.58 | lsd | although ntfs has that but erm, if you're asking about that here you're probably in the wrong channel |
| 00:44.59 | chiwawa_42 | (wich is sluggish when it comes to erase file, wich occurs quite often on this node) |
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| 00:45.21 | chiwawa_42 | I won't even think of using NTFS, don't worry ;) |
| 00:45.40 | DeSian | i will have alsa instate of OSS , that is my alsa reload message http://paste.debian.net/44564/plain/44564 |
| 00:45.41 | lsd | ntfs is ok for that :p |
| 00:45.42 | chiwawa_42 | I'm rather tempted by zfs but never had any chance to try it out on such big arrays |
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| 00:46.09 | lsd | be one of the cool btrfs guys |
| 00:46.14 | chiwawa_42 | reiser used to be too unstable, ext4 is a bit young, ext3 is sluggish |
| 00:46.16 | DeSian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:47.04 | chiwawa_42 | lsd: no, seriously, i'd default to ext3 if I get no interesting advices, but I'd really like to find some feedback about alternative filesystems |
| 00:47.15 | lsd | chiwawa_42, sounds like you know what the options are... the only considerations i've ever had with filesystems are speed and journalling |
| 00:47.22 | chiwawa_42 | other thant their respective zel^Wdeveloppers explanations ;) |
| 00:47.27 | lsd | i've never had much trouble with ext* or the others |
| 00:47.38 | lsd | and speed is really only an issue when you have lots of small files |
| 00:47.47 | lsd | the differences even out over large files |
| 00:47.50 | sonata | ext3 is good enough for me :) |
| 00:48.17 | lsd | has been using ext* for 12 years |
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| 00:48.30 | lsd | damn my girlfriend keeps farting in her sleep |
| 00:48.34 | lsd | brb |
| 00:48.37 | sonata | what lol |
| 00:48.40 | chiwawa_42 | lsd: there might be a trick I never reed of with ext3, but it's default behaviour makes it damn slow when it comes to erase files |
| 00:49.01 | chiwawa_42 | lsd: it's better out than in |
| 00:49.06 | Deepa_ | chiwawa_42: you sure? it seemed pretty quick to me |
| 00:49.18 | lsd | yeah we got drunk watching football tonight. so when i'm drunk i go on irc. she farts. |
| 00:49.18 | lsd | :p |
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| 00:49.24 | cromag | how do i prefer to use a network interface on debian ? - if both wireless and wired interces is connected. |
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| 00:49.49 | lsd | cromag, are they on the same subnet? |
| 00:49.56 | cromag | lsd: yes |
| 00:49.58 | Deepa_ | Isn't there a RFC or so saying that's a big nono? |
| 00:50.56 | chiwawa_42 | lsd: we have a saying here in france, saying "caca de fête, caca qui fouette", meaning aproximatively that alcool makes farts stinks even worse than usual |
| 00:51.00 | lsd | cromag, you need to read about the 'metric' of routes :) |
| 00:51.12 | lsd | chiwawa_42, haha, i comprehend :) |
| 00:51.22 | lsd | nice rhyme |
| 00:51.38 | cromag | lsd: routes, hmm ok. Thanks :) |
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| 00:52.46 | lsd | cromag, it's a bit tricky when you have 2 physical devices on the same subnet, but you can use the 'metric' to prefer one over the other (although in that case you don't *need* the lower metric device... unless you want to do layer 2 bridge, and then you don't need metric!) |
| 00:53.43 | chiwawa_42 | lsd: that would be usefull for a fast software backup in case the prefered interface soft-fails |
| 00:53.45 | lsd | s/lower/higher/ |
| 00:53.57 | cromag | well, i just want to prefer the wired connection over the wireless, unless the wired is disconnected ofcourse. |
| 00:54.07 | lsd | yeah but then you could bond them... |
| 00:54.26 | chiwawa_42 | lsd: cannot bond 802.1 and 802.11 devices together |
| 00:54.33 | lsd | that's gay |
| 00:54.39 | lsd | i've never tried anyway |
| 00:54.42 | cromag | heh |
| 00:54.51 | chiwawa_42 | that's rather logical considering their signaling is different ;) |
| 00:54.58 | chiwawa_42 | bonding is a layer2 feature |
| 00:55.01 | lsd | i know |
| 00:55.11 | lsd | and so is bridging |
| 00:55.16 | lsd | but you can still do that |
| 00:56.17 | chiwawa_42 | anyway, bonding will often use a static pnderation algorithm (send one frame per interface, then loop), so it will be stuck at twice the speed of the slowest bonded interface |
| 00:56.22 | DeSian | any idea about how to make gstreamer use alsa instead of oss? |
| 00:56.33 | lsd | at least that i understand already :) |
| 00:56.42 | brad_ | what are the chances that my tar file did not create properly over a smb protocol, from server to server via a crossover cable ? |
| 00:57.04 | markybob | jesus. you're trusting smb to backup a server? |
| 00:57.09 | markybob | how thick are you ? |
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| 00:57.24 | lsd | brad_, it should be fine |
| 00:57.28 | warchief | markybob: how thick are you? smb is fine |
| 00:57.29 | lsd | but it's a painful solution |
| 00:58.00 | lsd | brad_, but if you can successfully do tar -t... |
| 00:58.01 | chiwawa_42 | markybob: cifs works. Proof is, 90% of the world's biggest corporations use it. See how the economy goes ? |
| 00:58.03 | brad_ | markybob, winrar said the tar was corrupt, but I find that unlikley |
| 00:58.37 | chiwawa_42 | brad_: use 7zip |
| 00:58.39 | Deepa_ | chiwawa_42: economy went downhill but atleast our data is secure |
| 00:58.52 | lsd | chiwawa_42, i also said that, but 7zip wants almost an hour just to "open" the .tar |
| 00:59.21 | Deepa_ | So, why is a backup done with tar and not rsync? |
| 00:59.33 | chiwawa_42 | brad_: then install cygwin and enjoy having a native tar binary on your win32 server |
| 00:59.40 | lsd | he did that too :p |
| 00:59.51 | chiwawa_42 | damn... |
| 00:59.53 | drone77 | I wish to enable regular users to shutdown the system (but not by editing sudoers). I would have done so with powerdev group previously. How would I go about this? |
| 00:59.55 | lsd | sorry! |
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| 01:00.07 | chiwawa_42 | what happened with the cygwin version ? |
| 01:00.15 | chiwawa_42 | (sry, have no backlog) |
| 01:00.22 | lsd | good question |
| 01:00.33 | Deepa_ | why install cygwin? you just need the binary and the dlls! |
| 01:00.33 | chiwawa_42 | brad_: ? |
| 01:00.44 | brad_ | I already had cygwin installed |
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| 01:00.55 | chiwawa_42 | Deepa_: yeah, right, but it's just an excuse to get a decent shell on the box at the same time |
| 01:00.56 | Deepa_ | So why not use rsync instead of tar? |
| 01:01.08 | Deepa_ | chiwawa_42: except cygwin is pretty shitty all in all |
| 01:01.10 | lsd | grin |
| 01:01.14 | Deepa_ | and there's lots of better shells than that |
| 01:01.22 | brad_ | it's taking to long to test it, I'm just going to use cygwin and extract it and see what falls apart |
| 01:01.33 | chiwawa_42 | Deepa_: shitty or not, it's still better than powershell |
| 01:01.36 | Deepa_ | Might as well go SFU then you'll get a "decent shell" |
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| 01:02.10 | lsd | damn, nobody awake in debian-mentors and i have this shitty little problem |
| 01:02.19 | chiwawa_42 | Deepa_: what's the default shell on SFU ? |
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| 01:02.26 | Deepa_ | csh? dunno really |
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| 01:03.11 | chiwawa_42 | nice ! I used that one on A/UX 15 years ago... |
| 01:03.21 | chiwawa_42 | ;) |
| 01:03.35 | Deepa_ | I don't quite get your point, but yes csh is nice |
| 01:03.55 | Deepa_ | Personally I use Tclshell or pyshell, but that's just me |
| 01:03.59 | chiwawa_42 | there was no point, so you probably got it. |
| 01:04.04 | lsd | heathens |
| 01:04.06 | abrotman | is pretty sure this is #debian ... |
| 01:04.13 | lsd | EMACS! |
| 01:04.14 | lsd | hahaha |
| 01:04.29 | Deepa_ | abrotman: and debian doesn't have python, tcl or a C compiler? |
| 01:04.33 | brad_ | lol I thought emacs was a mini os |
| 01:04.53 | stew | brad_: yes, it runs well as a guest os in debian |
| 01:05.11 | abrotman | Deepa_: cygwin/SFU ? |
| 01:05.21 | chiwawa_42 | Deepa_: sure it has ! If you don't care about using an n-2 version... |
| 01:05.22 | lsd | ok, anybody guess why my "from scratch" debian package insists on being architecture specific? it's just a few scripts |
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| 01:05.33 | lsd | is ultra-noob when it comes to this |
| 01:05.37 | stew | lsd: did you declare it as arch: any or arch: all? |
| 01:05.42 | lsd | ahhhh. any |
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| 01:05.46 | lsd | thanks |
| 01:05.48 | stew | lsd: you want all |
| 01:05.49 | gravity | lsd: Do you have an orig.tar.gz that it can find? |
| 01:05.51 | lsd | right! |
| 01:05.56 | lsd | gravity, yeah |
| 01:05.56 | Deepa_ | abrotman: dunno, you try to keep track of conversations in here :p |
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| 01:06.00 | abrotman | lsd: the -mentors channel didn't help ? |
| 01:06.03 | lsd | nobody alive |
| 01:06.07 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:06.09 | chiwawa_42 | stew: you just saved his day |
| 01:06.18 | lsd | perhaps. |
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| 01:07.04 | lsd | 4king lovely |
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| 01:07.34 | lsd | wins stew level +1 |
| 01:08.44 | lsd | now there's a %$&* cat fighting a fox outside. gonna chase them brb |
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| 01:13.19 | brad_ | winrar showed all but 3 of my files, so I'm going to assume that at least all but 3 are in the tar. those three are 26gig each. I'm copying the last one to the server now, and I'm going to go from here |
| 01:13.55 | lsd | let's assume it's winrar's problem |
| 01:14.04 | lsd | tar -tf file.tar | grep thosefiles |
| 01:14.10 | markybob | yeah...not the reverse engineered protocol that he's using....hrm... |
| 01:14.28 | lsd | i find your lack of faith disturbing, admiral |
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| 01:14.34 | brad_ | I'm currently running a tar -xvf file on on the windows box |
| 01:14.36 | markybob | you dont copy vital information over a reverse engineered protocol. samba's good, but it's not that good |
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| 01:15.34 | lsd | conjure up for us a scenario that results in this .tar file being almost perfectly formed except the necessary bytes for listing the names and details of those 3 internal files |
| 01:16.13 | markybob | it's reverse-engineered. *anything* can go wrong |
| 01:16.22 | markybob | it's not like it's a proper spec |
| 01:16.33 | lsd | that's so hopelessly lacking pragmatism |
| 01:16.49 | markybob | yeah. so sorry for being realistic |
| 01:16.53 | lsd | i "reverse" engineered x86 machine code when i was a kid |
| 01:17.03 | lsd | so what, that means i can't write assembly now? |
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| 01:17.09 | markybob | oh, wow. i bow at your wisdom |
| 01:17.19 | lsd | pragmatism *is* being realistic! |
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| 01:17.52 | lsd | don't need to entertain that discussion any further, do we? |
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| 01:18.08 | brad_ | i don't think so |
| 01:18.10 | markybob | about the blind leading the blind? no, you do as you want |
| 01:18.25 | lsd | idealism = blinkered, pragmatism = seeing what's there |
| 01:18.29 | lsd | i can live with that |
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| 01:18.42 | lsd | anyway this isn't RMS vs ESR or anything :p |
| 01:18.44 | ajavid | your opinion is wrong. |
| 01:19.16 | lsd | realistically, one has to show evidence for one's postulations |
| 01:19.22 | ajavid | move on. |
| 01:19.22 | markybob | and yet he has corrupt data |
| 01:19.34 | brad_ | we don't actully know that |
| 01:19.45 | markybob | uh-huh |
| 01:19.49 | lsd | which has nothing conceivably to do with how the data was tranferred, but much more probably to do with how it's being read |
| 01:19.53 | lsd | as i sad |
| 01:20.01 | markybob | you "sad" wrong |
| 01:20.10 | lsd | conjure up for us a scenario that results in this .tar file being almost perfectly formed except the necessary bytes for listing the names and details of those 3 internal files |
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| 01:20.33 | markybob | what part of reverse engineered not being 100% reliable dont you follow? |
| 01:20.43 | lsd | anybody applying any amount of realistic thinking would realise the odds are frighteningly stacked against |
| 01:20.54 | Deepa_ | markybob: 'cept MS worked on it too |
| 01:20.56 | markybob | when moving 100GB of information? |
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| 01:21.03 | lsd | 100gb or 1 byte |
| 01:21.08 | markybob | how many KB would take to corrupt 100GB? not much |
| 01:21.12 | lsd | it's still using exactly X features of the protocol |
| 01:21.13 | brad_ | it more logical to assume that winrar can't handle a tar file with 26gig files in it, than to assume smb crapped out |
| 01:21.17 | lsd | those X features are intimately understood |
| 01:21.32 | lsd | *other* (let's call them Y) features are perhaps not yet completely understood |
| 01:21.48 | Deepa_ | brad_: WinRAR can handle a tar file with 26gig in it |
| 01:21.57 | Deepa_ | It could handle a 84GB .tar file for me |
| 01:22.22 | lsd | winrar's docs say it can handle 2^64 .tar files but they didn't say how big the files inside could be |
| 01:22.26 | lsd | had a quick search earlier |
| 01:23.00 | Deepa_ | logically it should be smaller shouldn't it? |
| 01:23.09 | lsd | i'm not assuming anything |
| 01:23.25 | markybob | only that smb is 100% correctly reverse engineered |
| 01:23.29 | lsd | nope |
| 01:23.30 | markybob | nice assumption |
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| 01:23.44 | lsd | i'm assuming that the parts responsible for simply moving data around are adequately reverse engineered |
| 01:24.10 | markybob | you still dont understand that only a few hundred KB can mess up a 100GB tar? |
| 01:24.10 | lsd | such that, in production environments around me, several petabytes have been transfered with never any filesystem-level corruption |
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| 01:24.17 | lsd | (over smb/cifs) |
| 01:24.31 | Nekrataal | hi all i have a question |
| 01:24.32 | lsd | i understand that exactly ONE BIT can mess up a tar file |
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| 01:24.52 | Nekrataal | i want to download debian but cant understand if i need to download all files |
| 01:25.05 | markybob | Nekrataal, no. 1 cd is fine |
| 01:25.18 | Nekrataal | i went to this site http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2a/i386/bt-dvd/ which file i need? |
| 01:25.27 | Nekrataal | ok ty |
| 01:25.35 | lsd | markybob, although i understand where you are coming from, the facts speak louder |
| 01:25.43 | brad_ | Nekrataal, I only get the linux and initrd.gz and work from there,but you should get the cd |
| 01:25.48 | lsd | and i do understand and acknowledge your point |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | Nekrataal: if your machine will have internet, we'd recommend the netinst |
| 01:26.29 | brad_ | markybob, if I did not have some *tiny* question about it, I would have already wiped the server's drives |
| 01:26.31 | Nekrataal | it will have.where i get this one abrotman |
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| 01:26.52 | abrotman | Nekrataal: in the bt-cd directory .. |
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| 01:27.03 | brad_ | although oddly I'm questioning more the windows server end than the linux client |
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| 01:27.11 | lsd | brad_, as is logical |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2a/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 01:27.33 | lsd | brad_, any reason why you can't rsync to an equivalent-ish filesystem though? |
| 01:27.47 | Abo | guys I have a problem, I run a debian machine which gets internet through a freebsd router, nothing is wrong, works like a charm, the problem is the following |
| 01:27.49 | markybob | you can rsync on windows |
| 01:27.52 | markybob | cwrsync |
| 01:28.02 | Nekrataal | thank you abrotman. so i need both the dvd file and that one right? |
| 01:28.02 | lsd | there are several solutions to rsync on windows, yes |
| 01:28.10 | brad_ | lsd, I've only got two servers, the new one won't be in until next week. |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | Nekrataal: nope .. as long as the netinst supports your network devices, that's enough |
| 01:28.17 | lsd | nicer to be able to preserve mode / ownership though |
| 01:28.24 | lsd | brad_, bugger |
| 01:28.36 | Nekrataal | but it is only 150mb.... |
| 01:28.38 | Abo | I am trying to connect from another machine through a script to debian's ip and I get an error from that script saying I dont have the permission to access this location from GATEWAYIP_OF_DEBIAN_MACHINE |
| 01:28.52 | Abo | why does it show me the gateway, I didnt mentioned the gateway, its ip |
| 01:29.08 | brad_ | i thought about rsync on windows, but ntfs does not like to list massive amounts of files, it get chocked up |
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| 01:30.08 | abrotman | Nekrataal: no need to msg me |
| 01:30.11 | wookienz | when i hot swap the drives on my raid card i am seeing the dmesg report that the link is up. Im not seeing the drive appear under fdisk -l. Any ideas? |
| 01:30.17 | abrotman | Nekrataal: that netinst will get the rest from the internet |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 01:30.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 01:30.28 | lsd | brad_, dunno if i missed it earlier, but did those "missing" files show up in a tar -t from the source host? |
| 01:30.31 | Nekrataal | oh lol :P |
| 01:30.40 | Nekrataal | sorry missunderstood |
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| 01:30.43 | brad_ | it's still running |
| 01:30.50 | jpinx-eeepc | brad_: I haven't read the backscroll, but if you are rsync-ing "from" ntfs it should be ok |
| 01:31.06 | brad_ | wrong way |
| 01:31.11 | Abo | anyone has any idea, dunno if you got me |
| 01:31.13 | lsd | brad_, that's the only problem i've ever had width smb anyway - speed |
| 01:31.18 | Merimac | hi all |
| 01:31.19 | jpinx-eeepc | brad_: rsync-ing to ntfs is a pain |
| 01:31.20 | lsd | but things are much nicer now than in 2000 anyway |
| 01:31.26 | Deepa | jpinx-eeepc: why? |
| 01:31.40 | Merimac | I have some problem with a script http://pastebin.ca/1534545 I want it to show me ERRORi when is not empty, but it show ERROR1 ERROR2... but not the content |
| 01:31.49 | jpinx-eeepc | Deepa: why what? |
| 01:32.05 | brad_ | well those files are not copied. and the tar showed to contain the rest |
| 01:32.09 | lsd | the intention is to "restore" all those files back to another host |
| 01:32.11 | markybob | brad_, massive list of files? rsync the tar, not the individual files |
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| 01:32.15 | Deepa | 03:31 < jpinx-eeepc> brad_: rsync-ing to ntfs is a pain |
| 01:32.19 | lsd | so it's important to preserve similar mode and ownership |
| 01:32.21 | brad_ | I'm going to go for it |
| 01:32.22 | Deepa | why is rsync-ing to ntfs a pain? |
| 01:32.25 | lsd | bit screwed with ntfs if you want that |
| 01:32.29 | samueldr | Hi all, I'm worried that there's something wrong on my system; it's an etch server. |
| 01:32.43 | Deepa | samueldr: a definite problem then, you're running etch and not woody! |
| 01:33.05 | Merimac | so I'm looking to concat "word" and $var to do var $"word"$var :s |
| 01:33.06 | Deepa | Apart from funky name and a version number you're not happy with, have you noticed anything strange? |
| 01:33.16 | lsd | Merimac, ${ERROR}${i} |
| 01:33.21 | wookienz | guys, need some help getting my sata hadd into the system. not apeparsing fdisk -l |
| 01:33.34 | lsd | deepa, haha |
| 01:33.43 | samueldr | $> which ssh |
| 01:33.43 | samueldr | /usr/local/bin/ssh     |
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| 01:33.55 | jpinx-eeepc | wookienz: check dmesg ? |
| 01:33.59 | lsd | Merimac, but i'm thinking you need to maybe work through some shell scripting tutorials :) |
| 01:34.02 | Merimac | lsd didn't work it show only the number |
| 01:34.13 | lsd | right |
| 01:34.18 | samueldr | well, Deepa, I was thinking about switching soon, so this hickup will most probably make me reinstall everything |
| 01:34.20 | abrotman | samueldr: that's not good |
| 01:34.27 | Merimac | I have already read a loot |
| 01:34.29 | abrotman | samueldr: unless you've compiled ssh |
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| 01:34.50 | Merimac | but I don't have the good keyword to make a good search :s |
| 01:34.56 | samueldr | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root   staff        4 2009-08-18 15:39 ssh -> ssh2 |
| 01:35.06 | samueldr | I don't think I have ever compiled (conciously) ssh |
| 01:35.08 | lsd | Merimac, i misunderstood |
| 01:35.11 | wookienz | jpinx-eeepc: it says that the link is up...but not showing up in fdisk |
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| 01:35.18 | Deepa | samueldr: that symlink looks wonderful |
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| 01:35.29 | jpinx-eeepc | wookienz: pastebin the output |
| 01:35.53 | Merimac | lsd I don't know how to expresse my problem on gg to find solution |
| 01:36.02 | lsd | Merimac, google bash arrays |
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| 01:36.20 | lsd | Merimac, that particular problem is better solved using arrays, as opposed to discretely named variables |
| 01:36.25 | Deepa | bash has arrays? |
| 01:36.27 | lsd | sure |
| 01:36.30 | Deepa | blimey |
| 01:36.36 | lsd | they joined the 90s :) |
| 01:37.06 | wookienz | jpinx-eeepc: http://paste.debian.net/44565/ |
| 01:37.07 | Merimac | Ok, I didn't know I need array |
| 01:37.08 | lsd | Merimac, you could solve it with creative uses of ``, eval, etc, but it's not worth the pain |
| 01:37.38 | Abo | guys I have a problem, I run a debian machine which gets internet through a freebsd router, nothing is wrong, works like a charm, the problem is the following. I am trying to connect from another machine through a script to debian's ip and I get an error from that script saying I dont have the permission to access this location from GATEWAYIP_OF_DEBIAN_MACHINE why does it show me the gateway, I didnt mentioned the gateway, only its ip |
| 01:38.13 | Merimac | lsd I tried with eval |
| 01:38.13 | Merimac | if eval \[ \$ERROR${i} == "" \];then |
| 01:38.17 | lsd | i saw |
| 01:38.18 | Deepa | Abo: tracert |
| 01:38.25 | Deepa | see if you're going through the gateway |
| 01:38.26 | Merimac | lsd but not nice :s |
| 01:38.35 | lsd | ugly in fact :) |
| 01:38.46 | Abo | Deepa trying |
| 01:38.54 | Merimac | so I go throw array ;) |
| 01:39.15 | jpinx-eeepc | wookienz: that doesn't tell much - you will need to identify which device is that drive. Try file /dev/sda1 et seq |
| 01:39.29 | Abo | Deepa, tracert and any other options? |
| 01:39.32 | samueldr | Hmmm, when I restart the ssh server, I get: |
| 01:39.32 | samueldr | sshd:Â OpenSSH_2.9p2Â on |
| 01:39.32 | samueldr | > Unknown option -t |
| 01:39.32 | samueldr | What an old (and odd) thing! |
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| 01:39.54 | jpinx-eeepc | !paste |
| 01:39.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 01:40.02 | samueldr | hmm, I would have still put 3 lines instead of 4 |
| 01:40.12 | samueldr | using the pastebin for 2 lines seemed awkward |
| 01:40.25 | samueldr | next time I'll know |
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| 01:40.40 | Deepa | Well it does say "If it's 3 lines or more then use pastebin" |
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| 01:41.48 | brad_ | lsd, still waiting for the results |
| 01:41.50 | samueldr | hmm, it was two lines of things to paste, one line of explanation and another one after, but I think it got sent as a batch... anyway, I'm not there to talk about my pasting habits... |
| 01:41.54 | Abo | Deepa, tracert its own ip? |
| 01:41.58 | abrotman | samueldr: take it off the internet |
| 01:42.01 | Abo | Deepa, from debian? |
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| 01:42.14 | lsd | brad_, how long did it take to create? |
| 01:42.14 | abrotman | samueldr: and change all your passwords on other machines from a known good machine |
| 01:42.27 | Deepa | Abo: do you know what tracert does? |
| 01:42.30 | brad_ | about an hour and 1/2 |
| 01:42.55 | Abo | Deepa, not really, I think it checks the routes the server goes through or something like that? |
| 01:43.05 | samueldr | will sure do, but are there any scanning utility I could use to see what is causing this? (I'm more curious than anythin else) |
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| 01:43.46 | Skipp_OSX | is there a hard disk drive speed test command available on Debian? |
| 01:43.47 | samueldr | I scanned with rkhunter and found nothing |
| 01:43.52 | abrotman | samueldr: your machine has been compromised .. |
| 01:43.59 | abrotman | Skipp_OSX: hdparm |
| 01:44.06 | Skipp_OSX | I know on FreeBSD there is one... I can't remember what it is called |
| 01:44.11 | Deepa | samueldr: nuke and renew. your machine is gone |
| 01:44.12 | lsd | Skipp_OSX, or sdparm |
| 01:44.43 | Skipp_OSX | lsd: sdparm is for SCSI? |
| 01:44.57 | wookienz | jpinx-eeepc: no sdX entires at all in /dev/ weird |
| 01:45.07 | lsd | Skipp_OSX, ... kinda |
| 01:45.12 | lsd | SATA too |
| 01:45.36 | jpinx-eeepc | wookienz: tail the log and disconnect and reconnet the drive |
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| 01:45.58 | Skipp_OSX | lsd: I did a apt-cache show on it, I am not lazy |
| 01:46.11 | Skipp_OSX | lsd: I just couldn't remember the command |
| 01:46.14 | samueldr | I do understand why I should nuke, but my curiousness want to know what has caused this... |
| 01:46.18 | lsd | :) |
| 01:46.20 | Abo | Deepa, tracert asks me for options, I never used so what should I do exactly there? |
| 01:46.27 | samueldr | at 15:39 today I /was/ connected on the machine |
| 01:46.46 | lsd | mtr ftw btw |
| 01:46.51 | sudobash | tracert IPADDRESS |
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| 01:46.55 | sudobash | traceroute IP |
| 01:46.58 | swapy | guys |
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| 01:47.13 | swapy | help |
| 01:47.16 | swapy | i am downloading debian iso but i am confused see which torrent i should download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2a/i386/bt-dvd/ is debian of 5dvds ? |
| 01:47.18 | sudobash | whats up swapy? |
| 01:47.31 | Abo | Deepa, http://pastebin.com/m3d8738ac |
| 01:47.40 | sudobash | just get the net installer small 250~ mb file |
| 01:47.47 | Abo | thats the ip of the machine, I dont see the gateway there |
| 01:47.48 | markybob | swapy, you only need the first cd/dvd |
| 01:48.02 | Deepa | Seems to be only one jump |
| 01:48.10 | Deepa | I feel like blaming your script :P |
| 01:48.21 | Abo | what could be the problem |
| 01:48.21 | swapy | ohh then why dvd a b c have been mentioned |
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| 01:48.31 | swapy | it confused me |
| 01:48.49 | Deepa | swapy: they're optional, contains more packages and funny stuff |
| 01:48.52 | sudobash | cause there are full download options for offline installs |
| 01:49.06 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 01:49.06 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 01:49.14 | sudobash | just use net isntall it will be the quickest to deploy |
| 01:49.31 | Skipp_OSX | can someone give me a sdparm command to speed test my HDD? The man page is a bit confusing |
| 01:49.34 | sudobash | right the netinstall does have the base install on it |
| 01:49.45 | Abo | Deepa, any clue? |
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| 01:49.49 | sudobash | but it is the quickest way to deploy deb |
| 01:49.54 | lsd | Skipp_OSX, sdparm -tT /dev/sdX |
| 01:50.08 | Skipp_OSX | lsd where X is a letter or a number? |
| 01:50.16 | lsd | depends what you're testing |
| 01:50.20 | Deepa | Abo: not really. check your script |
| 01:50.33 | lsd | it should be the /dev/sd? device corresponding to the physical disk you want to test |
| 01:51.03 | swapy | ohh then i should download first dvd |
| 01:51.09 | swapy | thank you guys |
| 01:51.14 | sudobash | cd |
| 01:51.17 | wookienz | jpinx-eeepc: /var/log/dmesg shows nothing, but "dmesg" shows the plug in and out. |
| 01:51.19 | sudobash | 250 mb net installer |
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| 01:51.29 | wookienz | unless you have other logs in mind |
| 01:51.38 | wookienz | nothign that ic an see from looking through most of them |
| 01:51.42 | Skipp_OSX | lsd: -T doesn't seem to exist, -t wants a transport layer? |
| 01:51.55 | lsd | shit |
| 01:52.04 | lsd | i'm thinking hdparm opts |
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| 01:54.10 | lsd | Skipp_OSX, hdparm and sdparm are really for setting various modes and registers on the devices |
| 01:54.17 | lsd | hdparm's speed test (-t) is just a bonus option |
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| 01:54.22 | lsd | seems sdparm doesn't implement anything like that? |
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| 01:54.32 | Skipp_OSX | lsd: I guess not... |
| 01:54.39 | abrotman | bonnie++ ? |
| 01:54.54 | lsd | good call |
| 01:55.24 | ipfw | I have 2 files, one static binary and one man page, I need them rolled up into a .deb package that has no depends, can someone tell me a super easy way to do that ? |
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| 01:55.56 | lsd | ipfw, if you don't mind 5 mins reading: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html |
| 01:56.29 | lsd | ipfw, what you want is pretty simple, you just need to understand .debs |
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| 01:58.08 | ipfw | lsd: that I don't, generating the stuff that needs to go in with those files is what I'm lacking ... |
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| 01:58.30 | lsd | ipfw, dh_make will create templates |
| 01:58.36 | lsd | you can delete most of them |
| 01:59.34 | lsd | ipfw, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/336 |
| 01:59.58 | lsd | it would be too wordy to explain step by step on IRC, but there are some really easy to follow howtos |
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| 02:00.04 | Skipp_OSX | diskinfo is the name of the FreeBSD command I am talking about... apparently not available on Linux |
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| 02:00.41 | lsd | the manpage needs to be explicitly listed with "dh_installman" in the binary-arch target in your debian/rules |
| 02:00.55 | lsd | that's about the only not-completely-straightforward bit, i think |
| 02:01.06 | lsd | built his first few packages from scratch this week... |
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| 02:02.41 | ipfw | lsd: I just wish I had a full working example |
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| 02:04.32 | lsd | ipfw, you need to spend a little while reading |
| 02:04.54 | lsd | i'm exactly like you when it comes to just having a ready example :) but it didn't take long to work out |
| 02:05.27 | swapy | actually i have never used debian i have used ubuntu any suggestions????? will it be difficult to use? |
| 02:05.51 | ipfw | lsd: well, most everything I hit is using checkinstall and so forth setting up debs from a source build, not just dropping a static bin and a manpage into a deb with no deps :) |
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| 02:06.20 | lsd | ipfw, ok, work on your debian/control file first |
| 02:06.42 | swapy | actually i have never used debian i have used ubuntu any suggestions????? will it be difficult to use? |
| 02:06.57 | jpinx-eeepc | wookienz: man tail |
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| 02:07.42 | lsd | ipfw, then, edit the binary-arch target in debian/rules. if you're just blindly installing files into the target, you must copy them from your "source" directory into debian/<packagename>/target/install/path |
| 02:07.42 | abrotman | !reference |
| 02:07.42 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at http://qref.sf.net/ , also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 02:07.53 | swapy | can anybody reply to my question?? |
| 02:07.54 | swapy | actually i have never used debian i have used ubuntu any suggestions????? will it be difficult to use? |
| 02:07.54 | jpinx-eeepc | wookienz: and the log in my system is /var/log/syslog |
| 02:08.07 | lsd | ipfw, you can work it out from there i think |
| 02:08.22 | wookienz | yeah im happy with tial commands, my syslog showed nothign during unplug |
| 02:08.40 | jpinx-eeepc | swapy: what is the question? |
| 02:08.41 | wookienz | just trying to afew different card and hard drive options...be back with you in a sec. thansk for tha help |
| 02:08.54 | swapy | jpinx-eeepc, actually i have never used debian i have used ubuntu any suggestions????? will it be difficult to use? |
| 02:09.03 | jpinx-eeepc | swapy: no |
| 02:09.05 | deus___ | is that the question? |
| 02:09.07 | deus___ | lol. |
| 02:09.17 | swapy | what no? |
| 02:09.39 | jpinx-eeepc | swapy: that's the answer to your question |
| 02:09.44 | jpinx-eeepc | no |
| 02:09.51 | swapy | too small |
| 02:09.56 | swapy | anyways thanks |
| 02:10.26 | jpinx-eeepc | np |
| 02:10.40 | ipfw | lsd: I'll brb, I'm snagging a small example package, tearing that open and working off it ... |
| 02:10.45 | magyar | hi, i updated to squeeze and have issue with virtual box i get an error of "The version of the VirtualBox kernel modules and the version of VirtualBox application are not matching." |
| 02:10.59 | ipfw | lsd: you will brain me when you hear what this package is for :P |
| 02:11.29 | lsd | is it a package containing a script and a HOWTO, called "creating debian packages for dummies"? |
| 02:11.29 | jpinx-eeepc | magyar: update your virtualbox accordingly |
| 02:11.35 | lsd | :) |
| 02:11.53 | magyar | jpinx-eeepc: i did, not sure what else to update |
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| 02:12.10 | ipfw | lsd: no, but it should be ! |
| 02:12.13 | lsd | haha |
| 02:12.24 | lsd | well it's kinda 3:12 am here and i gotta get up for work soon |
| 02:12.30 | jpinx-eeepc | magyar: and all the packages in the virtualbox? |
| 02:12.34 | lsd | the booze has worn off so i can sleep properly |
| 02:12.51 | ipfw | lsd: nope, one time install to move a single drive wiping util from an older livecd of knoppix3.6 to something with a newer kernel .... 2 files, and all this hassle |
| 02:12.58 | magyar | jpinx-eeepc: the driver and ose |
| 02:13.02 | lsd | hahaha |
| 02:13.05 | lsd | i see |
| 02:13.26 | jpinx-eeepc | magyar: all of it, and anything it might be running |
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| 02:13.37 | lsd | ipfw, sheeyit, you're better off just hacking the .deb together without using any of the tools :p |
| 02:13.52 | magyar | jpinx-eeepc: not sure what you mean by that |
| 02:14.01 | lsd | ipfw, dpkg -b directory packagename.deb |
| 02:14.11 | jpinx-eeepc | magyar: read the error message carefully |
| 02:14.18 | lsd | ipfw, see that first ibm developerworks link i gave... that's pretty much it |
| 02:14.45 | jpinx-eeepc | magyar: there are kernel module differences it doesn't like - resolve them |
| 02:15.15 | ipfw | lsd: it will still need the control file, and a proper directory structure inside though, riiight ? |
| 02:15.20 | lsd | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/116 |
| 02:15.23 | lsd | right |
| 02:15.26 | magyar | jpinx-eeepc: i installed the default module from the main repos for squeeze |
| 02:15.49 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, usually just need a reinstall the modules, not all vbox |
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| 02:16.14 | lsd | ipfw, that last link should help. i'm gonna crash now |
| 02:16.15 | Titan8990 | magyar, but if your kernel changes, modules need to be recompiled |
| 02:16.15 | brad_ | lsd, the files are there |
| 02:16.23 | lsd | brad_, winrar = teh fail |
| 02:16.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: i wasn't suggesting reinstalling vbox |
| 02:16.53 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, i came in late, thought it was a vboxdrv -> kernel mismatch |
| 02:17.42 | brad_ | yes |
| 02:17.42 | lsd | ok happy problem solving. laters |
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| 02:17.42 | jpinx-eeepc | magyar: you need to find out what the differences are and resolve them |
| 02:17.44 | brad_ | lsd, so it wasn't smb |
| 02:17.46 | brad_ | runs |
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| 02:18.00 | lsd | (i'm not exactly surprised :) |
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| 02:18.08 | Metatron | is there a way to search installed packages by date they where installed, or list them |
| 02:18.18 | Metatron | using apt or aptitude or synaptic |
| 02:18.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Metatron: man dpkg |
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| 02:20.27 | lsd | Metatron, i'm sure there are smarter ways, but you could do something like: ls -lt /var/lib/dpkg/info/*prerm |
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| 02:20.50 | lsd | each of those files corresponds to an installed package, and the date is pretty much going to be the install date of each |
| 02:20.58 | lsd | sleep |
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| 02:22.42 | ninjaslim | hi guys i have a quick question, how is soud quality in Debian compared to Ubuntu? same or diff? |
| 02:22.53 | Metatron | this did it ls -tl /var/lib/dpkg/info/ | less |
| 02:23.17 | Metatron | i know i downloaded the stinking kde libraries, ugg they vanshed |
| 02:24.52 | brad_ | ninjaslim, sound ? |
| 02:25.18 | ninjaslim | brad_: sound quality yes |
| 02:25.30 | brad_ | I would say it's the same |
| 02:25.44 | brad_ | i can't think of any reason they would not be |
| 02:25.48 | Metatron | same setup = same sound, if it is some studio application a real time kernel might make a difference |
| 02:25.56 | ninjaslim | brad_ unless the layering is different |
| 02:26.32 | abrotman | you could try it and see ? |
| 02:26.45 | Metatron | you might get a diffrent out of the box experience, like if using pulse audio over alsa by default, but it set up the same, should be equiv results |
| 02:26.52 | abrotman | i mean .. unless you've got some super expensive sound card, i doubt you'll notice |
| 02:26.56 | Metatron | if set up the same i meant |
| 02:27.15 | ninjaslim | abrotman: i noticed the diff between FreeBSD and any Linux distro on sound, FreeBSD has amazing sound for my crappy card |
| 02:27.39 | abrotman | ninjaslim: not the same driver/kernel |
| 02:28.20 | ninjaslim | abrotman: right, which is why i'm wondering if i can get sound similar to that on Linux, i need to use Linux for Matlab |
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| 02:28.33 | ninjaslim | unless i decide to try Matlab in linux emulation |
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| 02:29.40 | abrotman | wonders what sound has to do with matlab ... |
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| 02:30.00 | abrotman | can you use octave instead ? |
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| 02:30.11 | ninjaslim | abrotman: sound has everything to do with what distro/OS i choose because i am a sound junky, sound might be the reason why i switch back to FreeBSD |
| 02:30.20 | dominicus | giggles at matlab, because some people at his university use it to control robots. |
| 02:30.25 | ninjaslim | can't use octave because octave is slower for what i do (i did benchmarking) |
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| 02:30.38 | abrotman | wonders why a sound junkie has a "crap sound card" :) |
| 02:30.53 | dominicus | BURN |
| 02:31.10 | abrotman | ninjaslim: i'd try it, but honestly wouldn't expect much difference |
| 02:31.12 | ninjaslim | abrotman: had a crap card because when i started using FreeBSD OSS apparently gave me good enough sound |
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| 02:31.44 | simonrvn | excuses, excuses ;p |
| 02:32.08 | Metatron | maybe try dyne:boli distro |
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| 02:32.15 | abrotman | ninjaslim: are you saying it's OSS vs Alsa sound drivers? |
| 02:33.06 | markybob | ninjaslim, you realize that you can still use oss with linux? |
| 02:33.14 | ninjaslim | markybob: yeah with work |
| 02:33.17 | Jorophose | I'm connecting to a debian lenny VM with TightVNC, and the mouse isn't being tracked. it just seems to scroll down to the bottom of the screen and doesn't do anything. how can I fix this? is it because I'm still connected with the host OS and the VM software thinks I'm moving in this VM? |
| 02:33.29 | markybob | ninjaslim, with work? no. it's still in the kernel |
| 02:33.33 | Jorophose | I installed from netiso, and it seems everything is running ok xorg-wise |
| 02:33.47 | ninjaslim | markybob: OSS4 is not, OSS3 the outdated version is |
| 02:34.03 | abrotman | thought OSS4 was back in the kernel |
| 02:34.06 | markybob | blah blah blah. if you dont care enough, we wont, eitehr |
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| 02:36.34 | Metatron | dyne:bolic is supposed to be tailored for multimedia, maybe it has what your looking for, also you could try jack audo or pusle audio |
| 02:36.53 | abrotman | Metatron: it's not the distro, it's the kernel |
| 02:38.06 | abrotman | ninjaslim: FWIW http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=442275 |
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| 02:41.22 | ChAaGgYy | hola a tod@s alguien habla español(speake spanish?) |
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| 02:41.31 | cantido | !es |
| 02:41.31 | markybob | !es |
| 02:41.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:41.57 | ChAaGgYy | dpkg, thank's |
| 02:41.58 | dpkg | ChAaGgYy: gern geschehen |
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| 02:43.52 | cantido | Is there a fix for this firefox being really painfully slow and bringing the whole machine to a halt issue? All I can find is people saying switch to EXA and someone else saying no switch to XXA :\ |
| 02:44.20 | markybob | cantido, use chrome? |
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| 02:44.32 | cantido | markybob: nah, I need firebug etc |
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| 02:44.58 | markybob | cantido, you're using iceweasel? |
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| 02:45.09 | cantido | It's only recently started to do this.. it takes like 30 seconds for 20 chars to appear in any input field |
| 02:45.15 | cantido | markybob: iceweasel yes |
| 02:45.20 | markybob | cantido, where are you from, anyway? that nick reminds me of my childhood (brazil) |
| 02:45.35 | cantido | UK originally |
| 02:45.36 | abrotman | cantido: using flash ? |
| 02:45.50 | brad_ | lsd, it's decompressed two of the files, but has yet to list the first one |
| 02:45.53 | cantido | abrotman: Thats what I thought, but it seems to be almost any page |
| 02:45.56 | jorizma | I'm getting postgresql and insserv errors (insserv: script postgresql-8.4: service postgresql already provided!) which don't seem to clear up even after removing postgresql packages... any way to fix it? |
| 02:46.39 | abrotman | cantido: you might want to remove flash to verify that's not it |
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| 02:49.09 | cantido | removed the links to flash, restarted, same lag on everything.. this is with about:blank loaded heh |
| 02:49.37 | abrotman | does it happen with other gecko browsers ? |
| 02:49.45 | cantido | If I hold a key in an text input and let go its still repeating the key 20 seconds later. |
| 02:49.55 | cantido | tries to think of another gecko browser |
| 02:50.02 | markybob | iceweasel 3.x is shit. no one will argue against that |
| 02:50.13 | markybob | 3.5 is at least better than 3.0 :P |
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| 02:50.27 | jorizma | 3.5 was a real disappointment for x64 users |
| 02:50.35 | cantido | markybob: I used to always use konq, but theres some nice tools for ff |
| 02:50.40 | cantido | jorizma: eh? |
| 02:50.48 | jorizma | No tracemonkey, so javascript is still balls slow |
| 02:50.58 | markybob | cantido, i think konq is better than iceweasel |
| 02:51.00 | jorizma | And chrome is worthless still. |
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| 02:52.17 | cantido | markybob: yeah, and konq doesnt have this weird performance issue either. But I need stuff like firebug so.. |
| 02:54.13 | cantido | jorizma: I think the major problem with javascript is that most people that write it have no idea what they're doing.. i.e. you would expect the jquery author to know what he's on about but he's written stuff about threading etc that make no sense at all. |
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| 02:55.29 | jorizma | Well, there isn't even a real debugger in a browser as far as I know. |
| 02:55.39 | jorizma | how you expect anyone to know what's going on when the best is firebug? |
| 02:55.41 | oh_noes1 | Is there a deb package for an updated list of known/verified Public Cert Authorities? |
| 02:55.41 | adfasdf | What does the following mean: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/lib |
| 02:55.56 | jorizma | it add /lib to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment var |
| 02:56.11 | adfasdf | so it looks in /lib for libraries? |
| 02:56.24 | jorizma | as well as the other places that it was already set to, yes. |
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| 02:56.55 | adfasdf | thank you jorizma for your quick responses and steadfast kindness which will alwasy set you apart from others |
| 02:57.04 | cantido | jorizma: dunno if I would trust the js people with writing a proper debugger to be honest |
| 02:57.28 | cantido | oh_noes1: ca-certificates I think.. |
| 02:57.34 | adfasdf | but in the end the universe will tend to un-fold as it should |
| 02:57.37 | jorizma | They can't even write an interpreter well.... |
| 02:57.54 | jorizma | :D |
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| 02:58.44 | Sark | Hello guys. Quick question - is there a package in apt with a more complete terminfo database? The one that ships with lenny is pretty limited. |
| 02:58.44 | oh_noes1 | cantido: thanks |
| 02:58.48 | cantido | exactly. anyhow, got flash disable, turned off all script.. no luck. :/ |
| 02:59.36 | cantido | oh_noes1: you should configure that package and select the CA's you actually trust though |
| 02:59.41 | markybob | cantido, killing your history might help |
| 02:59.51 | cantido | wouldn't trust verisign |
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| 02:59.59 | jorizma | adfasdf: no worries |
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| 03:00.07 | cantido | markybob: I have history disabled |
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| 03:00.33 | cantido | from everything I can find it's an Xorg issue |
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| 03:00.57 | markybob | cantido, why would x cause a 2d browser performance hit? |
| 03:01.02 | adfasdf | man for some reason wine cant find libgcc_s.so.1 even when i change the enfiroment. i did a locate libgcc_s.so.1 and set the lbirary accordinly and it did help |
| 03:01.15 | adfasdf | did not hlep |
| 03:01.45 | jorizma | cantido: what issue are you talking about exactly? |
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| 03:01.57 | cantido | markybob: seems to be something do with the different methods Xorg uses for accelerating stuff |
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| 03:02.27 | jorizma | adfasdf: you export it? |
| 03:02.47 | jorizma | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/lib |
| 03:03.07 | cantido | jorizma: at random iceweasel will become really slow, text input lags and iceweasel eats a lot of cpu time. |
| 03:03.23 | jorizma | yeah, happens to me |
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| 03:03.59 | jorizma | It's probably a cairo bug really. |
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| 03:04.27 | cantido | The only way to get it back to a usable state seems to be to kill anything iceweasel and start again, which is a pain in the arse |
| 03:04.45 | adfasdf | didn't help |
| 03:05.18 | jorizma | adfasdf: try compiling wine, or getting the wine build deps |
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| 03:05.23 | jorizma | adfasdf: apt-get build-dep wine |
| 03:06.34 | adfasdf | apt-get working |
| 03:06.47 | adfasdf | thanks jorizma your my hero |
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| 03:07.25 | adfasdf | sorry it did'nt fix it, i just wanted to show my appreciatieon |
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| 03:07.35 | jorizma | try building wine |
| 03:07.41 | jorizma | it'll take aw hile |
| 03:08.25 | brad_ | thanks all for your help |
| 03:08.27 | jorizma | you'll have to download the source and compile it, the build dep line should have taken care of anything you need to compile it though. |
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| 03:14.57 | Evet | /etc/resolv.conf for dns settings, right? |
| 03:16.28 | Titan8990 | Evet, yes |
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| 03:18.35 | hotwings | anyone know how to clear all the uninstalled stuff thats listed with 'dpkg -l' ? |
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| 03:18.52 | hotwings | i only care about whats currently installed.. not whats been uninstalled/purged |
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| 03:20.44 | Wyzard | hotwings: That's probably stuff that's been uninstalled but not purged, so the solution would be to purge it |
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| 03:32.47 | pppoe_dude | hi |
| 03:33.10 | deco_ | hi |
| 03:33.15 | pppoe_dude | i reinstalled lenny (for personal reasons)... but here's the issue. I forgot what I did yesterday to fix cpu scaling. Can someone help jog my memory? |
| 03:33.34 | pppoe_dude | right now there are no cpus recognised by cpufreq |
| 03:33.35 | cantido | cpufreq |
| 03:33.57 | cantido | load the right scaling module for your hardware |
| 03:34.13 | pppoe_dude | i remember there was a step i did which added the /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq directory. |
| 03:34.50 | cantido | pppoe_dude: what do you mean by not recognised.. that path suggested that cpufreq is fine |
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| 03:35.11 | pppoe_dude | output of cpufreq-info: no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU |
| 03:35.14 | cantido | pppoe_dude: you probably need to select a govenor or max/min scaling freqs |
| 03:35.25 | cantido | pppoe_dude: ok, so load the right driver then |
| 03:35.27 | pppoe_dude | cantido, there is no path like that right now |
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| 03:35.34 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 03:35.53 | pppoe_dude | cantido, i don't remember doing that... how do i do that? modprobe <something>? |
| 03:36.05 | cantido | yes |
| 03:36.10 | man_in_shack | i've got a commercial app giving me an error: usr/lib/pango/1.6.0/modules/pango-basic-fc.so: error: symbol lookup error: undefined symbol: g_module_check_init (fatal) |
| 03:36.39 | man_in_shack | debian unstable, on both amd64 (with 32bit compat libs via ia32-apt-get) and i386 versions |
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| 03:37.14 | pppoe_dude | cantido, gotcha |
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| 03:38.12 | man_in_shack | is this a problem with the app or debian? |
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| 03:39.55 | man_in_shack | actually, this is interesting |
| 03:40.03 | man_in_shack | /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libxfce.so: error: symbol lookup error: undefined symbol: g_module_unload (fatal) |
| 03:40.13 | man_in_shack | ^^ same error, but from my gtk engine :| |
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| 03:40.26 | gerryS1 | how might i install nfsd properly on debian netinst, only nfs-common shows in apt-cache search nfs, i am missing /etc/export man page and exportfs utility... |
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| 03:42.21 | pppoe_dude | brb |
| 03:42.37 | nsadmin | gerryS1: try installing nfs-kernel-server |
| 03:44.26 | gerryS1 | thanks that is what i needed |
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| 03:47.30 | gerryS1 | can i lock exports to certain interfaces? for example if i wanted only vmnet8 to access the export, at the moment i set the subnet that can access it but anyone could change their ip address after running showmount -e |
| 03:48.19 | gerryS1 | or would i be better doing that with firewall config or tcp wrappers |
| 03:48.44 | nsadmin | you can lock it to certain IPs |
| 03:49.12 | gerryS1 | that is what i have done ,but it isn't secure since anyone can view the exports list and assume any ip address then try again |
| 03:49.23 | nsadmin | perhaps there's a man 5 exports |
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| 03:53.07 | pppoe_dude | so. technical question. Can you migrate a firefox profile to an iceweasel profile no problem? |
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| 04:02.27 | craigevil | pppoe_dude: i copied my iceweasel profile to a firefox profile with no problems so the revers should work ok |
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| 04:04.24 | pppoe_dude | craigevil, cool thanks |
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| 04:12.50 | Rokku | hello |
| 04:13.03 | Rokku | I am not search command "make" |
| 04:13.13 | Rokku | I use apt-get install make |
| 04:13.21 | Rokku | not search paket |
| 04:13.44 | nsadmin | try apt-get install build-essential |
| 04:13.53 | Rokku | ok |
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| 04:14.32 | nsadmin | if that also doesn't work, then you should look at yuour sources.list |
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| 04:15.21 | nsadmin | !find make |
| 04:15.45 | Rokku | !find make |
| 04:15.47 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'make' (15 of 17): automake ;; automake1.10 ;; automake1.4 ;; automake1.7 ;; automake1.9 ;; cfgstoragemaker ;; cmake ;; cmake-curses-gui ;; cmake-data ;; cmake-qt-gui ;; colormake ;; dh-make ;; dh-make-drupal ;; dh-make-perl ;; dh-make-php. |
| 04:16.07 | nsadmin | !more |
| 04:16.07 | dpkg | [more] a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to less, but only allows forward navigation through the file (although newer implementations of more do allow for limited backward movement). See also <less>. |
| 04:16.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'make' (10 of 80): (/usr/bin/make) in devel/make ;; (/usr/bin/jmake) in devel/dist ;; (/usr/bin/dmake) in devel/dmake ;; (/usr/bin/cmake) in devel/cmake ;; (/usr/bin/icmake) in devel/icmake ;; (/usr/bin/jadmaker) in comm/gammu ;; (/usr/bin/htmake) in devel/global ;; (/usr/bin/logmake) in utils/logapp ;; (/usr/bin/coq_makefile) in math/coq ;; (/usr/bin/dh_make) in devel/dh-make. |
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| 04:17.36 | nsadmin | hmm. so your sources.list isn't pointing at an archive that has make in it |
| 04:19.47 | Rokku | I have deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/ lenny/volatile main contrib |
| 04:19.48 | Rokku | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
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| 04:20.12 | nsadmin | that;s it? |
| 04:20.22 | Rokku | sources.list |
| 04:20.27 | nsadmin | what's your country code? |
| 04:20.48 | Rokku | xmm |
| 04:20.52 | Rokku | russia |
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| 04:21.33 | nsadmin | .ru... hmm, I don't know if a debian mirror is in russia... which side of russia? |
| 04:22.09 | Rokku | cb |
| 04:22.18 | nsadmin | trying to figure out if you're closer to california or germany |
| 04:22.33 | Rokku | ok |
| 04:22.42 | Rokku | thank you |
| 04:22.55 | nsadmin | eastern russia? western russia? somewhere in the middle? |
| 04:23.12 | Rokku | siberia |
| 04:23.42 | nsadmin | I hear that place gets mighty cold... |
| 04:24.03 | Rokku | no |
| 04:24.31 | Rokku | 20 degrees all winter |
| 04:24.51 | nsadmin | anyway, let's try this... |
| 04:25.30 | nsadmin | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib |
| 04:25.33 | nsadmin | add that |
| 04:25.37 | nsadmin | then |
| 04:25.41 | nsadmin | apt-get update |
| 04:25.45 | Rokku | ok |
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| 04:26.25 | nsadmin | it doesn't look like you want non-free, but if I'm wrong you can add that too |
| 04:28.11 | nsadmin | judd versions postgresql-8.2 |
| 04:28.11 | judd | nsadmin: postgresql-8.2 -- |
| 04:28.26 | nsadmin | damn damn, I have to build it myself |
| 04:29.29 | nsadmin | judd versions postgresql-8.3 |
| 04:29.29 | judd | nsadmin: postgresql-8.3 -- etch-backports: 8.3.7-0lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.7-0lenny1 squeeze: 8.3.7-1 sid: 8.3.7-3 |
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| 04:30.56 | nsadmin | Rokku: you should now be able to find all of that (and the whole main archive) |
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| 04:31.37 | nsadmin | you may or may not need build-essential but now you should be able to find make |
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| 04:32.13 | nsadmin | if you're doing anything with C, you probably do need build-essential |
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| 04:34.08 | Rokku | nsadmin thanks it works |
| 04:34.39 | nsadmin | yeah,you were just missing the main archive |
| 04:34.44 | nsadmin | welcome. |
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| 04:35.09 | fluorine | hi |
| 04:35.18 | fluorine | I just finished compiling a kernel with kernel-package |
| 04:35.28 | nsadmin | yay :) |
| 04:35.30 | fluorine | but when I boot into it, I get, "Kernel Panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on Unknown block (0,0)" |
| 04:36.02 | fluorine | I've booted into my back-up kernel, and I can confirm from my bash history that I've executed "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image" |
| 04:36.37 | nsadmin | so not everything needed to mount / is in your kernel |
| 04:36.49 | fluorine | oddly enough, I could not find the initrd for this kernel in /boot |
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| 04:37.14 | fluorine | I "dpkg -L linux-image-blah|less", and I can confirm that there is no initrd lying around... |
| 04:37.27 | nsadmin | it generates the initrd |
| 04:37.32 | fluorine | hmm |
| 04:37.45 | nsadmin | try: apt-get install initramfstools |
| 04:37.49 | fluorine | ok |
| 04:37.51 | nsadmin | that might not be it |
| 04:37.57 | nsadmin | try: apt-get install initramfs-tools |
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| 04:38.13 | flaren | hey |
| 04:38.20 | fluorine | dpkg -l|grep initram confirms that initramfs-tools is already installed :( |
| 04:38.20 | dpkg | fluorine: I think you lost me on that one |
| 04:38.28 | flaren | debian better than centos right? |
| 04:38.42 | nsadmin | I dunno! never tried centos |
| 04:38.47 | flaren | it is |
| 04:39.21 | flaren | im installing debian |
| 04:39.37 | flaren | for webhost server |
| 04:39.42 | nsadmin | you'll have to tell us if it's better |
| 04:40.08 | nsadmin | maybe you won't notice a difference, except for packages |
| 04:40.34 | flaren | okay |
| 04:40.48 | nsadmin | do you want virual servers? |
| 04:40.50 | nsadmin | err |
| 04:40.55 | nsadmin | virTual |
| 04:41.22 | flaren | i just want to host my website on it |
| 04:41.27 | flaren | I own a VPS |
| 04:41.39 | flaren | eh i g2g now sorry |
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| 04:43.59 | fluorine | :( |
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| 04:44.30 | fluorine | even when I manually execute /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools 2.6.26.8 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26.8, no initrd.img is created |
| 04:44.53 | nsadmin | hmm. maybe the kernel lacks support for initrds |
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| 04:45.28 | fluorine | no, because I kept a .deb of a previously compiled version of the same exact kernel, and when I dpkg -i it, a initrd is created |
| 04:45.53 | fluorine | the problem must be with kernel-package because that is the only thing that has changed |
| 04:46.08 | nsadmin | what was it that's changed? |
| 04:46.29 | fluorine | I changed a few ACPI options from 'm' to 'y' |
| 04:46.50 | nsadmin | hmm... |
| 04:46.54 | fluorine | i guess i could re-execute the make-kpkg --initrd, but it probably won't work |
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| 04:47.12 | fluorine | this is so weird |
| 04:47.22 | nsadmin | until you find what it is, I agree with you |
| 04:47.43 | fluorine | is it possible to get around using an initrd? |
| 04:47.45 | nsadmin | what kernel are you running now? |
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| 04:48.03 | fluorine | right now? I'm on my 'backup' kernel, compiled from months ago. 2.6.20.11 |
| 04:48.18 | nsadmin | yes, you make sure everything needed to mount / is in the kernel (y) not a module (m) |
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| 04:49.04 | fluorine | yes. I diff'ed the config-2.6.26.8 of the recently compiled kernel, and the .deb archive of it |
| 04:49.19 | nsadmin | and this new kernel is also a 2.6.20.11? |
| 04:49.31 | fluorine | no, the new kernel is 2.6.26.8 |
| 04:49.49 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 04:49.54 | fluorine | is there some grub option that I'm supposed to execute after dpkg -i -ing a kernel? |
| 04:50.20 | adb | fluorine: running ubuntu ? |
| 04:50.29 | fluorine | adb: nope, squeeze |
| 04:50.29 | nsadmin | well grub doesn't control whether an initrd is generated |
| 04:50.42 | nsadmin | and whether it's placed in /boot |
| 04:50.57 | nsadmin | do you have enough space in /boot? |
| 04:51.03 | fluorine | I think so |
| 04:51.17 | fluorine | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.32 | nsadmin | which lives on what? |
| 04:51.40 | fluorine | df -h ==> 43% disk usage |
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| 04:52.04 | fluorine | root lives on an ext3 partition of size 11G |
| 04:52.16 | nsadmin | ok, what device? |
| 04:52.23 | fluorine | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.34 | nsadmin | ok |
| 04:52.50 | fluorine | if that made sense |
| 04:53.01 | nsadmin | and grub loads reliably every boot? |
| 04:53.28 | fluorine | yes |
| 04:53.37 | nsadmin | well at least that tells that you're not doing raid at least for / |
| 04:53.48 | fluorine | :) no raid here, i'm on a laptop |
| 04:54.22 | nsadmin | you shouldn't be on your laptop... it will be crushed! |
| 04:54.35 | fluorine | not before it sets my testicles on fire |
| 04:54.50 | fluorine | this thing runs insanely hot |
| 04:55.11 | nsadmin | which can't be the problem |
| 04:55.18 | fluorine | nope |
| 04:55.58 | fluorine | maybe I'll just play with the version of 2.6.26.8 that I compiled months ago |
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| 04:56.23 | fluorine | the whole reason I'm even doing this is because my fglrx's DRI stopped working spontaneoously |
| 04:56.56 | nsadmin | hmm... would radeonhd work with that card? |
| 04:57.00 | fluorine | ok, I've recompiled, and made sure I used '--initrd' |
| 04:57.15 | nsadmin | you did? that was fast |
| 04:57.38 | fluorine | yes, the open source r300 driver works, but it gives off much lower framerates |
| 04:57.59 | fluorine | ARGH |
| 04:58.09 | fluorine | still, it refuses to create an initrd |
| 04:58.32 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 04:58.36 | nsadmin | no clue. |
| 04:58.41 | fluorine | =\ |
| 04:59.34 | fluorine | the last time I compiled a kernel with kernel-package was when 2.6.26.8 was still considered 'new' |
| 04:59.58 | nsadmin | ok, so let's see... |
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| 05:00.17 | nsadmin | are you running the kernel that's the same version you're trying to build? |
| 05:00.30 | fluorine | I was, yes |
| 05:01.01 | nsadmin | I wonder if you could boot into it again and show cat /proc/version |
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| 05:01.54 | fluorine | when I compiled 2.6.26.8, I also created header and source packages |
| 05:02.13 | fluorine | nvm reboot |
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| 05:04.56 | deco_ | how do i get nautilus to do audio previews ? |
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| 05:05.30 | deco_ | when i hover over an audio file i don' t get a sound preview |
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| 05:06.05 | fluorine | ok, nsadmin, back |
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| 05:08.23 | deco_ | anyone know how to get audio previews in nautilus ? |
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| 05:09.10 | oh_noes1 | Is there an SFTP server in GNU/Deb where I can control it's configuration in a config file? |
| 05:09.10 | oh_noes1 | for example, I dont want to create OS users |
| 05:09.16 | oh_noes1 | I *just* want SFTP users, with a special directory etc |
| 05:09.39 | ajavid | !sftp |
| 05:09.39 | dpkg | from memory, sftp is a program that provides FTP-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, konqueror, gftp. The server is in the package openssh-server. For Windows clients, ask me about <winscp>, <filezilla>. See also <scp> and <sshfs>. |
| 05:09.41 | bpun | oh_noes1, use a jailroot |
| 05:10.06 | ajavid | aptitude install ssh |
| 05:10.10 | bpun | oh_noes1, u can use chsh (and path to sftp subsystem as the login shell) |
| 05:10.20 | ajavid | then after login you can jail |
| 05:11.00 | bpun | oh_noes1, if u dont use a makejail, they can browse the rest of the system.. |
| 05:11.15 | oh_noes1 | but they |
| 05:11.21 | bpun | (almost browse everything but not) |
| 05:11.23 | oh_noes1 | ffs, i cant type for shit lol |
| 05:11.29 | oh_noes1 | but they will still be users in the OS, right? |
| 05:11.46 | bpun | nautilus too does sftp.. |
| 05:12.11 | oh_noes1 | I understand SFTP is just SSH via openssh ... i mean, Im creating an external FTP site for our users to download files from |
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| 05:12.22 | oh_noes1 | and Id prefer it if i didnt have to create OS accounts for them |
| 05:12.42 | bpun | oh_noes1, if you set the shell to the path of sftp subsystem /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server, they won't have a login shell |
| 05:12.44 | oh_noes1 | but your are saying, creating the OS accounts, then makejail wiith permissions onto in there home directory is enough? |
| 05:13.11 | bpun | oh_noes1, the makejail is tricky.. that's why i would consider it optional |
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| 05:13.26 | bpun | oh_noes1, it's there if you want "/" on sftp to be their home.. |
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| 05:13.50 | bpun | oh_noes1, i mean there as once it has been setup |
| 05:13.54 | oh_noes1 | bpun: yes I definitely want that, I want the SFTP client to think / is there home |
| 05:14.34 | oh_noes1 | I want there home to be /sftp/home/USERNAME, which maps on the client as / |
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| 05:14.54 | oh_noes1 | but will it be possible, to then make a link of /sftp/home/USERNAME/foobar to link to /sftp/home/foobar ? |
| 05:15.05 | oh_noes1 | so I can link different users to a same shared virtual directory? |
| 05:15.30 | bpun | oh_noes1, y, it can be done but i'll probably try it again.. there was no direct setup guide online at the time (about half a year ago) .. there was buggy options with openssh-server.. maybe now it's easier to do so.. |
| 05:16.02 | bpun | oh_noes1, you may want to ask #ssh or something and see if u have to create a jailroot.. as there are jail options or something with ssh server |
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| 05:16.30 | oh_noes1 | bpun: ok thanks, so generally if i start googling openssh and jailroot I should ifnd what i need? |
| 05:16.41 | bpun | oh_noes1, u can try |
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| 05:23.29 | deco_ | anyone know how to get audio previews in nautilus ? |
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| 05:29.20 | bpun | deco_, can nautilus do that with plugins? |
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| 05:29.34 | bpun | deco_, if u know the name of the plugin.. there's probably a package for it |
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| 05:33.35 | TwoTwenty | I found #linux to be a hostile room |
| 05:33.39 | TwoTwenty | :( |
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| 05:34.07 | koolkat | anyone here know antix? |
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| 05:34.47 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: I have now |
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| 05:35.47 | koolkat | TwoTwenty: what do you mean? |
| 05:36.13 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: you just told me about it and I have looked at their site briefly |
| 05:36.26 | koolkat | TwoTwenty: :-| |
| 05:36.50 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: ;) I usualy use base install of debian and build Leight weight distro out of it for old computers |
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| 05:37.17 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: in fact I do it so often I should roll my own installer out of the debian base install cd |
| 05:37.19 | koolkat | TwoTwenty: you build your own distros? |
| 05:37.50 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: no but you can use the minimal install disks from say debian and apt-get what you want |
| 05:38.27 | koolkat | TwoTwenty: this OS uses like 20 mb of RAM |
| 05:38.42 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: base install of debian uses very little as well |
| 05:39.01 | koolkat | TwoTwenty: that little? 20 mb little? |
| 05:39.32 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: Im sure it can easily be done.. antix says it requires 64 for the gui and even recomends 128 |
| 05:40.00 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: I have ran debian with fluxbox on a p2 333 with 64 ram |
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| 05:40.07 | koolkat | TwoTwenty: yeah but it really only uses 20 mb when nothing is running but the os |
| 05:40.17 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: Im sure its not saturating all the ram either |
| 05:40.53 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: Im pretty certain if I run debian's core install it uses less then that |
| 05:41.03 | koolkat | fluxbox? |
| 05:41.16 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: fluxbox is a lightweight window manager |
| 05:41.28 | koolkat | can you install all the packages you can install on debian on fluxbox? |
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| 05:41.31 | koolkat | oh |
| 05:41.50 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: I believe antix said it uses icewm or fluxbox |
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| 05:42.24 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: the windows manager is pretty key to ram usage, however there are other things |
| 05:42.30 | koolkat | TwoTwenty: do you know puppy linux by chacew? |
| 05:42.59 | adfasdf | hello i just recovered from a huge apt-get mistake and i just restored. I had a bigproblem as a result of updates. I curious is there a way to just have you update manager just look at security related updates? |
| 05:43.17 | koolkat | chance* |
| 05:43.19 | TwoTwenty | adfasdf: yes |
| 05:43.29 | TwoTwenty | adfasdf: are you using debian |
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| 05:43.40 | adfasdf | yeah... |
| 05:44.02 | TwoTwenty | adfasdf: have you modified the sources.list or added any repositories with synaptic ? |
| 05:44.31 | adfasdf | i have the cds, tux's , and a lenny main source |
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| 05:44.48 | TwoTwenty | adfasdf: tux's ??? |
| 05:45.05 | adfasdf | yeah tux's repostiry (sorry it's for compiz, i dont' use it anymore) |
| 05:45.14 | jetscreamer | you can lose the cd's unless of course you use them |
| 05:45.29 | TwoTwenty | koolkat: yes I have used puppy, LFS, DSL, slacware, and dozens of others |
| 05:45.52 | koolkat | TwoTwenty: is there a way to make puppy linux not load the entire os onto memory so it doesnt use t al up? |
| 05:46.03 | TwoTwenty | adfasdf: Im not familiar with it .. I have not ran debian as desktop in a long time but Im startin to think I shoudl again ;) |
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| 05:46.27 | TwoTwenty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.45 | TwoTwenty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.45 | TwoTwenty | boot: |
| 05:46.45 | TwoTwenty | try typing in help |
| 05:47.12 | adfasdf | figured it out, it was just in preferences. thanks for ur help |
| 05:47.16 | TwoTwenty | adfasdf: in any case you can tell the update manager to not do automatic updates .. its right in the gui |
| 05:47.49 | TwoTwenty | adfasdf: its also highly likely alternate repos are what broke you as debian lenny is stable and not prone to apt-get upgrade breakage |
| 05:47.52 | jetscreamer | /join #puppylinux |
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| 06:03.41 | muh2000 | since the last apt-get dist-upgrade on squeeze, the phpldapadmin package doesnt work anymore. it always offers me the php file to download :( |
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| 06:05.05 | bpun | muh2000, that's strange.. squeeze is supposed to be in the future!.. how did you time travel? |
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| 06:07.31 | muh2000 | do you have something valuable as an answer or do you only want to piss other ppl off, bpun? http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze... |
| 06:08.13 | bpun | muh2000, y2k issues? |
| 06:08.24 | bpun | muh2000, squeeze isn't released .. u must be on testing.. |
| 06:08.52 | muh2000 | duuuhh |
| 06:09.04 | muh2000 | guess what current testing is called. |
| 06:09.13 | muh2000 | only sid is all the time unstable. |
| 06:09.35 | bpun | muh2000, if something doesn't work anymore, what do you do? |
| 06:09.40 | bpun | !bts |
| 06:09.41 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 06:09.49 | simonrvn | http://bugs.debian.org/phpldapadmin |
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| 06:10.31 | TwoTwenty | muh2000: so you apt-get- dist-upgrade to squeeze or sid? |
| 06:10.49 | bpun | TwoTwenty, ahem |
| 06:11.12 | TwoTwenty | bpun: ?? |
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| 06:12.44 | TwoTwenty | bpun: ahem Im confused by your comment ? |
| 06:13.07 | muh2000 | dist-upgrade != switch from testing to unstable. |
| 06:13.28 | konr | how can I remove foo without removing its dependencies? |
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| 06:14.22 | simonrvn | *dist-upgrade* in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less important ones if necessary. |
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| 06:15.55 | bpun | konr, no need to worry about it unless you're um.. TESTING! :) |
| 06:16.38 | bpun | goes out to try jailroot with sftp |
| 06:17.00 | muh2000 | well my issue isnt listed on bts |
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| 06:18.21 | cavedon | hi all, is the current snapshot of debian installer still broken? |
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| 06:20.14 | nsadmin | doesn't know about installer snapshots or breakages therein... but for the benefit of those who do, more specifics are in order. what version do you refer to and what bug report number refers to the breakages? |
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| 06:20.52 | fbt | hi, my sound is not working on a fresh squeeze amd64 install with ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) |
| 06:21.10 | cavedon | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=541115 |
| 06:21.11 | fbt | Amarok seems to be playing, KMix and Alsa show as if volume is set up ok |
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| 06:21.26 | cavedon | bu actually I am looking more carefully, and looks my problem is unrelated |
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| 06:21.44 | cavedon | and anyway, that bug is still open :( |
| 06:22.00 | nsadmin | cavedon: oh, then perhaps you need to be specific about your problem |
| 06:22.45 | cavedon | nsadmin: I am trying to run an installation from USB |
| 06:22.57 | cavedon | I downladed the latest snapshot for testing d-i |
| 06:23.08 | cavedon | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 06:23.12 | cavedon | and booted |
| 06:23.58 | cavedon | running the export install I see kernel messages until it detects the usb drive (as /dev/sdb) |
| 06:24.04 | cavedon | and then it stops there |
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| 06:24.11 | cavedon | kernel is alive |
| 06:24.21 | cavedon | but does not proceed |
| 06:24.49 | cavedon | btw: s/export/expert/ |
| 06:25.16 | nsadmin | in any case, thanks for looking, and while I'm not familiar with the snapshot installers, someone will be along who does. one thing that will help you and the person who tries, is if you collect as much information as you have, and append any information you get to a single file that you can refer to and pass to others. alternatively, you can substitute for this single file by collecting/appending this same info to a bug report |
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| 06:26.27 | cavedon | nsadmin: thx! |
| 06:26.31 | cavedon | tnx |
| 06:26.35 | nsadmin | welcome |
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| 06:30.08 | nsadmin | cavedon: btw, are you doing this because you want to install debian or because you want to help test installers? |
| 06:30.26 | cavedon | nsadmin: actually, both of them |
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| 06:30.51 | nsadmin | you -could- separate the two unless you only have one machine |
| 06:31.34 | cavedon | nsadmin: yes, probably I'll try with lenny installer, and open a bug report about the current di snapshot |
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| 06:32.04 | nsadmin | even if so you could install a main one with separate /boot partition which you could try sharing between the two installations |
| 06:32.37 | nsadmin | and then try installing from the usb... |
| 06:32.48 | nsadmin | err delete that last line |
| 06:33.02 | nsadmin | and then try installing from the snapshot di |
| 06:33.33 | nsadmin | of course this involves leaving some space unpartitioned when you install lenny |
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| 06:33.52 | nsadmin | is this a pretty new machine? |
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| 06:34.45 | cavedon | nsadmin: 2yrs old laptop, I have brn |
| 06:35.02 | cavedon | I have been running ubuntu with no problem |
| 06:35.37 | nsadmin | oh, ok... you might look at what modules are inserted involving usb, and noting the version of that kernel |
| 06:36.02 | nsadmin | did you install ubuntu from usb? |
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| 06:37.11 | cavedon | I could run ubuntu installer from usb |
| 06:37.16 | wiretest | Hey, how to check which Ubuntu version my PC has ? |
| 06:37.27 | cavedon | i believe the usb device is detected correctly |
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| 06:38.23 | wiretest | Hey my version of ubuntu is : "Ubuntu 7.10 - the Gutsy Gibbon - released in October 2007." |
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| 06:39.16 | wiretest | Now a days when I try to install any package using apt-get or synaptic, I get an error message saying "Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.140 80]" |
| 06:39.26 | wiretest | can someone tell me what the problem is ? |
| 06:40.56 | simonrvn | you're in the wrong channel, that's your problem |
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| 06:41.37 | JJOliver | Is there an open office freenode room? |
| 06:41.56 | simonrvn | !room |
| 06:41.57 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 06:42.10 | simonrvn | JJOliver: /msg chanserv list *openoffice* |
| 06:42.29 | cavedon | nsadmin: I'll make a new attempt, tnx for your help |
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| 06:47.38 | JJOliver | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 06:49.15 | luke1704 | hello, did anybody notice that postgresql 8.3 installation fails with the actual stable release? |
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| 07:23.53 | albech | what do i have to install to get ext4 support? |
| 07:24.10 | albech | not on the root partition, so it could be a module i guess |
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| 07:24.30 | jm | even for the root partition, it could be a module |
| 07:24.30 | bpun | albech, ext4? huh? |
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| 07:24.55 | jm | debian normally uses a loadable module for the root file system |
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| 07:25.17 | bpun | albech, how big is the drive? |
| 07:25.20 | albech | bpun: yes, but i searched for ext4 packages, but i dont see any |
| 07:25.38 | albech | bpun: its a raid1 (2x320gb) |
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| 07:26.40 | mhymn | albech: /msg dpkg ext4 |
| 07:26.49 | bpun | albech, here (2.6.26-2-686), i have ext4dev <"dev" probably meaning it's not officially supported |
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| 07:28.05 | bpun | albech, not sure why its named ext4dev rather than ext4 (i just checked my kernel it's from a lenny repo |
| 07:29.29 | bpun | albech, modinfo ext4dev ? |
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| 07:30.49 | Arrowmaster | you probably should use ext4 on 2.6.26 |
| 07:30.53 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt |
| 07:30.56 | albech | bpun: http://nopaste.com/p/aoJt4t5KG |
| 07:31.02 | cahoot | still considered developmental at the time? |
| 07:31.34 | albech | i will probably switch to ext3 to be safe |
| 07:32.07 | bpun | albech, probably you want to check a debian mailing list as to how stable ext4dev really is.. |
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| 07:33.08 | Arrowmaster | you could just switch to 2.6.30 instead for better ext4 support |
| 07:33.23 | albech | bpun: not worth it.. if there is any doubt i will stick with ext3.. its going to hold my xen hosts |
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| 07:34.12 | albech | bpun: thanks for the info though |
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| 07:34.48 | albech | i havent run debian in a LONG time, but it is actually good to be back.. except all the extra packages it installs ;) |
| 07:36.44 | bpun | albech, there aren't any extras.. it's called contrib |
| 07:36.44 | Guerin | albech: turn off recommends: and suggests: |
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| 07:36.51 | bpun | !contrib |
| 07:36.51 | dpkg | from memory, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [etch|lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 07:37.02 | Guerin | i think he means 'everything except sh and libc' |
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| 07:37.25 | albech | i was thinking about when i installed mdadm it wanted to install postfix ;) |
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| 07:37.35 | eevar2 | best option for starting ssh-agent on a system w/o X? set my shell to ssh-agent bash? |
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| 07:39.35 | Guerin | albech: heh |
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| 07:40.02 | Guerin | albech: mdadm needs a mail sevrer so it can tell you when shit is broken |
| 07:40.09 | Guerin | albech: you could install nullmailer instead |
| 07:40.10 | Saj | hi to all, i am getting error for rfdump as (rfdump:5438): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() |
| 07:40.20 | Saj | could not read page 00 |
| 07:40.20 | Saj | could not read all pages |
| 07:40.21 | albech | yes, but i will tell it when to install it ;) |
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| 07:40.49 | Guerin | albech: heh, I think you should go back to slackware if that's your 'tude |
| 07:41.03 | albech | Guerin: or even use another mail server ;) Gentoo |
| 07:41.04 | Guerin | albech: because debian might just annoy the hell outta you again |
| 07:41.12 | Guerin | oh, gentoo, even worse |
| 07:41.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:41.19 | albech | Guerin: no i like the stability |
| 07:41.33 | Guerin | albech: how does that mean you like gentoo? |
| 07:41.43 | albech | and for a dom0 i dont think it gets much better than debian |
| 07:41.52 | Guerin | oh, heh |
| 07:41.54 | Guerin | i see |
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| 07:42.25 | albech | Guerin: but for tailoring a system gentoo is really sweet |
| 07:42.25 | frandieguez | Hi to all, I have a question regarding the creation of deb packages. I'm making a virtual package for 32 and 64 bits platforms, but for 64 bits doesn't exist one package. Does exist a standarized method for solve this issue at debian/control file? |
| 07:42.51 | Guerin | albech: up to the point where you get mad as hell at handholding the bloody build scripts, I can see that |
| 07:42.55 | Guerin | if you have a quadcore |
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| 07:43.44 | Guerin | frandieguez: perhaps ask #debian-mentors on ird.oftc.org |
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| 07:44.02 | Guerin | frandieguez: you might get lucky here, though |
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| 07:44.32 | cantido | frandieguez: I'm not sure how you do it, but there must be some way of doing it.. some platforms depend on different versions of libc for example |
| 07:45.36 | Saj | hi to all, i am getting error for rfdump as (rfdump:5438): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() |
| 07:46.03 | frandieguez | @cantido @Guerin I suppose is there a "operation" over the list of dependent packages like "dpkg | aptitude", for example |
| 07:47.09 | kraut | moin |
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| 07:52.30 | Evet | debian lenny serial code for sale |
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| 07:53.16 | achilles | hello, here is my iptables config and it still open port 21 and 80 , can anybody please help http://pastebin.com/m4edfc47f , eth0 is the external interface |
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| 07:54.46 | binarystar | does anyone know "earch mrtg per domains from one server"? |
| 07:55.29 | nsadmin | binarystar: speak your situation in detail. |
| 07:55.33 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 07:55.33 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 07:56.00 | binarystar | nsadmin, proxyserver ----> other class web servers |
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| 07:56.21 | Blackhold | hello |
| 07:56.23 | binarystar | nsadmin, my server is proxyserver |
| 07:56.29 | Blackhold | could someone give me some help? |
| 07:56.33 | nsadmin | not to me, to the channel |
| 07:56.37 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 07:56.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 07:58.01 | nsadmin | Blackhold: someone can if you provide specific details |
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| 07:58.49 | Blackhold | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/configure-a-system-to-automount-a-samba-share-with-etcfstab/ <- I want to do that, but with the difference that username and password have to be given at login, in a same machine could login lots of users that are mapped using vintela |
| 07:59.26 | Blackhold | nsadmin: there's some way to use password that put user at login to mount shares and more? |
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| 08:00.15 | nsadmin | mounting is normally a root-only operation |
| 08:00.35 | Blackhold | vintela is a program that uses pam to login, and takes users from AD |
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| 08:00.50 | Blackhold | nsadmin: yes, but in fstab if you define user option |
| 08:01.02 | Blackhold | user could mount partitions, in this case, a samba share |
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| 08:01.15 | nsadmin | then you can mount one specific share on one specific mount point |
| 08:01.19 | Blackhold | but my problem is that this username and password changes between users |
| 08:01.22 | nsadmin | (per line that is) |
| 08:01.23 | bpun | Blackhold, ad is m$ |
| 08:01.43 | Blackhold | now I have to mount these shares using an script, and user have to put his password again |
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| 08:01.53 | Blackhold | will be more elegant to shares mounts at login |
| 08:01.56 | Blackhold | bpun: I know |
| 08:02.07 | Blackhold | but is impossible work into a company 100% linux |
| 08:02.13 | bpun | Blackhold, u obviously think people pay you so you can get free help on irc. ha! |
| 08:02.15 | Blackhold | it would be my dream |
| 08:02.34 | Blackhold | but we have to share place with fucking m$ |
| 08:02.40 | nsadmin | "impossible" is a strong word... are you saying you've seen every company in the world? |
| 08:02.43 | bpun | Blackhold, nice tr$y |
| 08:02.57 | Blackhold | bpun: I pass lot of hours helping on irc |
| 08:03.21 | Blackhold | I wish that if I need some help, users that have more knowledge than me could also help me |
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| 08:03.49 | bpun | Blackhold, just look into your ad help for integrating unix-nfs stuff or whatever.. i heard u can use kerberos with nfs, probably with samba as well.. |
| 08:04.07 | bpun | Blackhold, wiki.debian.org |
| 08:04.29 | Blackhold | bpun: the integration is better as I could configure |
| 08:04.36 | Blackhold | only misses this thing |
| 08:04.51 | Blackhold | and I'm looking for that for few days |
| 08:05.17 | Blackhold | bpun: I'm configuring a nfs shares |
| 08:05.29 | Blackhold | but first I have to solve samba shares |
| 08:05.41 | bpun | Blackhold, been ages since i did a search online with samba... seems they gone wiki too-> http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_&_Active_Directory |
| 08:05.52 | Blackhold | at same moment that if I can resolve that, could document it and help to other users |
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| 08:07.12 | Blackhold | well bpun thanks for the links |
| 08:07.24 | Blackhold | I'm gonna see if that gives me the solution |
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| 08:08.04 | bpun | Blackhold, nfs and kerberos can be found on the debian wiki |
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| 08:08.32 | Blackhold | bpun: ok, will take the info |
| 08:08.37 | Blackhold | thanks |
| 08:09.23 | bpun | Blackhold, it's limitted though.. u gotta look into that dumb m$ docs about using unix-nfs stuff.. |
| 08:09.42 | binarystar | Don't each MRTG per IP from one server. my idea is using many VLANs and |
| 08:09.43 | binarystar | calculate traffic per VLAN. Do you know if this is possible? |
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| 08:15.19 | Blackhold | bpun I'm doing ;) |
| 08:15.37 | Agiofws | Maulkin, are you around ? did you find any solution about my issue ? |
| 08:15.49 | Agiofws | is anyone using synergy ? |
| 08:15.53 | Agiofws | and windows as a client ? |
| 08:16.30 | Agiofws | does anyone know how to upgrade mouse drivers ? |
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| 08:19.46 | cH40z-Lord | is it enough if I only use "apt-get upgrade" to get that null-pointer-fix ? |
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| 08:22.40 | steven43126 | cH40z-Lord: of course you need to reboot after the upgrade |
| 08:23.05 | cH40z-Lord | ah |
| 08:23.09 | steven43126 | speaking of which has there been any talk of ksplice + debian ? |
| 08:23.19 | cH40z-Lord | apt-get upgrade told me that the current kernel I tried to install is already in use... |
| 08:23.32 | cH40z-Lord | and I'm using 2.6.27.13 or something like this |
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| 08:24.18 | steven43126 | cH40z-Lord: 2.6.27 ? what debian version are you running on lenny i belive the current version is 2.6.26 |
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| 08:25.56 | cH40z-Lord | errr lol I'm not sure now xP is there any command to see the current version ? I think I'm running deb 4... but I'm not sure :D |
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| 08:26.26 | steven43126 | cH40z-Lord: to check the version that is running uname -a :) |
| 08:26.41 | cH40z-Lord | Linux india629.server4you.de 2.6.18-6-k7 #1 SMP Thu May 8 08:09:57 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:26.51 | steven43126 | to see which kernel will get get used upon a reboot you can look in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:26.51 | cH40z-Lord | hm... apt-get told me something other o.o |
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| 08:27.17 | nsadmin | cH40z-Lord cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:27.27 | cH40z-Lord | 4.0 |
| 08:27.28 | cH40z-Lord | :) |
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| 08:27.51 | nsadmin | so you're right, you're running 4 |
| 08:28.47 | Agiofws | is anyone using synergy ? |
| 08:28.49 | cH40z-Lord | so, and apt-get upgrade + reboot is enough =D ? |
| 08:28.58 | nsadmin | no |
| 08:29.00 | nsadmin | there's more |
| 08:29.02 | Agiofws | is anyone using synergy ? with windows as a synergy client ? |
| 08:29.13 | nsadmin | what version you want to upgrade to? |
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| 08:29.40 | cH40z-Lord | I would like to stay at 4.0 atm because I'm running plesk on my server |
| 08:30.01 | cH40z-Lord | and I don't want to crash that app... plesk is too easy to annoy... :P |
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| 08:30.05 | Agiofws | cH40z-Lord, well done i upgraded to 5 and now synergy does not work |
| 08:30.24 | themill | Agiofws: you're the only one though |
| 08:30.25 | themill | Agiofws: yes. I use linux synergys with both linux and windows synergyc with no problems. |
| 08:30.54 | Agiofws | themill, synergyc is dif on windows systems right ? |
| 08:31.09 | themill | parse error. Could not convert to English. |
| 08:31.17 | Agiofws | what heh ok |
| 08:31.28 | nsadmin | cH40z-Lord: you should then consider carefully what you upgrade then, and I would suggest full backups |
| 08:31.28 | Agiofws | themill, synergyc is different on windows systems right ? |
| 08:31.34 | Agiofws | its not even called that |
| 08:31.37 | themill | Agiofws: different from what? |
| 08:31.45 | themill | in what way? |
| 08:32.03 | Agiofws | different app layout ... than quick synergy |
| 08:32.23 | cH40z-Lord | nsadmin I will ask now my hosting-provider what they suggest and if they install the update. maybe they can do this... :) or I get a full re-install and everything is fine then :) |
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| 08:32.33 | Agiofws | what version of synergy do you use on you windows workstation ? |
| 08:32.34 | cH40z-Lord | is there any new compiled version out that is including the fix ? |
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| 08:32.46 | cH40z-Lord | 4.0 or 5.0 doesn't matter if I'll reinstall :) |
| 08:33.02 | Agiofws | 1.3.1 ? themill ? |
| 08:33.16 | daya | unaway |
| 08:33.19 | nsadmin | cH40z-Lord: did you say this is on a remote? |
| 08:33.49 | cH40z-Lord | o.o ? |
| 08:34.24 | nsadmin | if so, as you know you have to be careful, since you don't have physical access to the machine |
| 08:34.58 | cH40z-Lord | yes I know... that's why I'm asking my hosting-provider befor I do something crap :) |
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| 08:35.07 | themill | Agiofws: I've never used quicksynergy. The windows client is just 1.3.1 downloaded from sf.net. BTW what keyboard layout are you using on the two machines? |
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| 08:35.15 | cH40z-Lord | I just wait until they answer and see what I do then =) |
| 08:35.17 | nsadmin | backups will help |
| 08:35.21 | cH40z-Lord | but thank you guys, you helped me alot :) |
| 08:35.39 | nsadmin | cH40z-Lord: good plan; I wouldn't do anything fast |
| 08:35.46 | cH40z-Lord | =) |
| 08:36.33 | Agiofws | themill, how can i tell ? GR i suppose on the linux one ... i guess should i look in xorg.conf ? |
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| 08:37.09 | Agiofws | Option "XkbLayout" "us,gr" |
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| 08:37.24 | Agiofws | i don't know how to look for that on the windows machine |
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| 08:37.51 | Agiofws | but i can right greek on both machines |
| 08:37.56 | themill | Agiofws: it's a long shot, but I've seen synergy choke with strange keyboard layouts before. Can you try setting both machines to a US kb layout and see if it still misbehaves? |
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| 08:38.42 | Agiofws | now where would windows xorg.conf be ? :) |
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| 08:39.44 | zzattack | hi, i added some hdds to my system and now it seems that /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc got swapped. swapping the wires back on the motherboard or changing the drive order in the BIOS doesn't 'unswap' my drives. Can I tell linux which drive to assign which place in /dev, or am I better of altering my /etc/fstab file? |
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| 08:40.06 | themill | dpkg: tell zzattack about uuid |
| 08:40.14 | Agiofws | zzattack, you can via a kernel module |
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| 08:41.06 | zzattack | cool, anything i should google for? |
| 08:41.46 | Agiofws | zzattack, i remember you configure file and depending on the uuid or something of the device you name it so nothing gets mixed up Via boot again something like that |
| 08:41.58 | Agiofws | themill, |
| 08:42.00 | simonrvn | !uuid |
| 08:42.00 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 08:42.09 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/60178 |
| 08:42.32 | Imran-UK | hiwk, anyone with experience of dancer-ircd know how i can set channel topics automatically on ircd start-up? |
| 08:43.28 | Agiofws | themill, the other KB has a pc102 xkbModel ... layout ... |
| 08:43.35 | Agiofws | maybe its something to do with xorg ? |
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| 08:44.28 | Agiofws | themill, can you paste me your xorg.conf ? mouse + KB sections ? |
| 08:44.38 | Agiofws | Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 08:44.39 | Agiofws | #Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" |
| 08:44.39 | Agiofws | Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" |
| 08:44.42 | brad_ | how can I extract only the /etc folder from a tar file ? |
| 08:45.07 | Agiofws | nice question |
| 08:45.30 | simonrvn | easy one.. |
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| 08:47.15 | simonrvn | any args while untarring it is taken as the file you want to extract |
| 08:47.29 | simonrvn | tar zxf foobar.tar.gz myfile |
| 08:47.33 | brad_ | tar xvf file /etc/* ? |
| 08:47.42 | simonrvn | man tar for details |
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| 08:48.28 | simonrvn | you might want that --regexp option (or whatever it's called) |
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| 08:58.18 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me if they are using synergyc on windows client and if keyboard input is chocking and making the desktop freeze or loose your mouse pointer ? |
| 08:59.10 | jchillerup | doesn't happen for me |
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| 09:15.32 | Agiofws | Maulkin, are you here >? |
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| 09:15.54 | Agiofws | http://code.google.com/p/synergy-plus/issues/detail?id=47 thats the type of error i am getting <---- Maulkin ? |
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| 09:18.45 | Agiofws | themill, http://code.google.com/p/synergy-plus/issues/detail?id=47 thats the type of error i am getting |
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| 09:20.20 | luke1704 | Where can I make a Debian bug report? (kernel-release: 2.6.26-2-orion5x) |
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| 09:26.57 | petemc | luke1704: you can use the reportbug application, its worth checking its not already reported tho, check bugs.debian.org |
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| 09:27.58 | luke1704 | thx |
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| 09:30.49 | Maulkin | Agiofws: Are you using synergy+ ? |
| 09:31.04 | Agiofws | in the windows machine ? |
| 09:31.37 | Agiofws | is says synergy Version 1.3.1 |
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| 09:32.00 | Agiofws | Maulkin, trying to use the svn version but i can't seem to compile it for now |
| 09:32.32 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:/mnt/videos/synergy2$ls |
| 09:32.32 | Agiofws | branches tags trunk |
| 09:32.32 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.58 | Maulkin | Agiofws: That page is a fork of synergy. So our code isn't based on that |
| 09:33.11 | Maulkin | Thanks for pointing it out though, I may switch to that. |
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| 09:34.07 | dokma | Hy guys, Is there a way to print ssh configuration variables for the client? |
| 09:35.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | print? |
| 09:35.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | open the config file and print it? |
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| 09:35.48 | Agiofws | Maulkin, am i using synergy+ on the window machine ? |
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| 09:36.15 | Agiofws | its logo is like a blue green circle ... |
| 09:36.39 | Maulkin | Agiofws: yes, you are |
| 09:36.48 | Maulkin | (probably) |
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| 09:38.21 | Agiofws | Maulkin, ok how do i install simple synergyC on the windows machine do you have the right url ? |
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| 09:41.01 | Agiofws | so as i take it there is no synergy for windows ? |
| 09:41.02 | l403 | I dont get how come my mp3 player is automounted by gnome while there is no partitions on it |
| 09:41.30 | xand | is there a way to see on packages.debian.org or with apt etc when a package was released? |
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| 09:41.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | xand: changelog? |
| 09:41.53 | xand | the changelog gives a 404 on pdo |
| 09:42.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.27 | xand | it's not installed |
| 09:43.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | dunno, guess you'll have to get pdo fixed. |
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| 09:43.32 | Agiofws | Maulkin, ? |
| 09:44.53 | Agiofws | hey does anyone know how to compile something from svn i can't find a configure file in the dirs i just downloaded |
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| 09:45.40 | cantido | Agiofws: svn has nothing to do with the build system.. |
| 09:45.52 | Maulkin | Agiofws: I have no idea abotu windows. |
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| 09:46.25 | Agiofws | you have never tested your setup on a windows machine ? |
| 09:46.45 | Agiofws | cantido, tou DL the SVN version so you can compile and test it ... |
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| 09:47.32 | cantido | Agiofws: why should I? |
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| 09:47.44 | Agiofws | not you |
| 09:48.14 | Agiofws | i'm just stressing out why would someone DL the svn version of an application |
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| 09:48.58 | cantido | Agiofws: svn doesnt have anything to do with how you build it, or the quality |
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| 09:49.29 | Agiofws | you would'nt use svn if you didn't need to compile an application |
| 09:49.33 | Agiofws | or even debug it |
| 09:49.38 | Agiofws | or even apply a patch |
| 09:49.49 | jelly | Agiofws: have you read their documentation? |
| 09:50.01 | Agiofws | http://sourceforge.net/scm/?type=svn&group_id=59275 |
| 09:50.33 | jelly | a configure script is generated, using autotools |
| 09:50.52 | cantido | Agiofws: svn is for managing source trees.. inside the tree you checked out you should have an INSTALL or README file, read it |
| 09:51.02 | Agiofws | i did |
| 09:52.02 | zzattack | Agiofws and themill thanks for the help i got my issue sorted |
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| 09:52.31 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/60185 |
| 09:52.34 | Agiofws | it says |
| 09:52.40 | Agiofws | To configure the build for your platform use the configure script: |
| 09:52.40 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:52.54 | Agiofws | there is no ./configure execuatble though |
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| 09:54.52 | art3mis | the thing that makes me sad about synergy being awesome |
| 09:54.56 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/60186 |
| 09:55.09 | art3mis | is that you still need a head on each additional machine |
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| 09:55.21 | negge | if I have a directory with a bunch of files and a symbolic link to another directory with a bunch of files, will "chown -Rh :group *" skip the symbolic link when it changes ownership? |
| 09:56.16 | art3mis | negge: only if it can't (isn't allowed) to change ownership on the main file |
| 09:56.24 | Agiofws | art3mis, well for the mean time i can;t send keyboard outputs ... to the client everything gets stuck |
| 09:56.32 | art3mis | ie smylink to /etc/passwd will still leave it owned by root |
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| 09:56.39 | negge | art3mis: okay, so how do I prevent it from following symlinks when working recursively? |
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| 09:56.50 | art3mis | don't run it sudo? |
| 09:56.54 | art3mis | or as root |
| 09:57.10 | sly007 | Hello, I would like a tool to manage dns entries for bind 9. What do you suggest? |
| 09:57.12 | art3mis | you can change ownership of files in your own directory |
| 09:57.20 | sly007 | I mean a GUI tool |
| 09:57.24 | sly007 | or web based |
| 09:57.56 | art3mis | agio: oh, not a clue on that, it generally worked for me |
| 09:58.07 | negge | art3mis: the directory in question is /var/www. I want to chown all files there to www-data, set some permissions etc. on an hourly basis. The problem is I have a symlink in /var/www to my music library and I don't want it to chown and chmod all those files 'cause it takes too much time. |
| 09:58.08 | art3mis | the downside was forgetting which machine I was on ;) |
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| 09:58.44 | art3mis | negge: in cases like that I think it'll only change the symlink and not actually fllow it |
| 09:58.54 | art3mis | follow |
| 09:59.02 | negge | sly007: have you tried gadmin-tools? I haven't personally used bind so I don't know if gadmin-tools will do the trick or not but... |
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| 09:59.10 | art3mis | sicne its a symdir |
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| 09:59.19 | negge | art3mis: I have to do a test, last time I checked I think it did. |
| 09:59.40 | art3mis | <-- avoids symlinks in webdirs |
| 09:59.41 | J-roen | Hi. When I want to enable the --enable-zend-multibyte option in PHP on Lenny, do I have to build PHP myself or are there other ways? Thanks. |
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| 10:00.40 | negge | art3mis: nevermind, it didn't follow the link. I think I got the impression that it does so from back in the days when I had the same directory "mount --bind"-ed to /var/www |
| 10:01.03 | negge | art3mis: I know it's a semi-ugly solution but it works for me. |
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| 10:02.01 | cantido | I thought php handled mb strings from the get go :/ |
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| 10:04.52 | negge | art3mis: when you say you avoid using symlinks in webdirs, do you mean you would use aliases instead? |
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| 10:07.50 | Gijs | hey all |
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| 10:08.22 | Gijs | If i wanna install unrealircd it tells me i don't have openssl but then if i use apt-get install openssl |
| 10:08.36 | Gijs | then it doesn't install anything |
| 10:09.02 | petemc | how are you installing unrealircd? |
| 10:09.09 | Gijs | with the ./config |
| 10:09.21 | petemc | so you want libssl-dev |
| 10:09.38 | Gijs | i will try... |
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| 10:11.29 | l403 | anyways it usually says why apt did not install anything. maybe that it already is the newest version |
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| 10:22.15 | Agiofws | Maulkin, i solved it ... |
| 10:22.21 | Agiofws | if you want to know |
| 10:22.37 | Agiofws | use these guide lines and it works ... |
| 10:22.38 | Maulkin | Agiofws: please. |
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| 10:23.13 | Agiofws | generally compile from source ... don;t use apt-gets one ... |
| 10:23.16 | Agiofws | http://coderazzi.net/linux/synergy.patch/index.htm |
| 10:24.11 | Maulkin | Hrm, I'll have a look at that patch set, thanks. |
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| 10:30.04 | alys | Please forgive me if this is a dumb question - I have looked around for an answer. I use dvorak as the keyboard layout and I did the usual 'loadkeys dvorak'. That is fine in CLI but I am put into QWERTY in X. How do I change it, please? |
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| 10:30.27 | DeSian | why the xorg.conf is blank in squeeze_ |
| 10:30.46 | kooll | alys: setxkbmap dvorak , or set it somewhere in xorg.conf |
| 10:30.54 | alys | Thanks |
| 10:30.56 | DeSian | want to change the standard keyboard layout but is Blank! |
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| 10:31.11 | alys | I haven't looked yet, but I shall do so. Thanks a lot. |
| 10:31.25 | DeSian | kooll, xorg.conf is blank |
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| 10:31.41 | cahoot | DeSian: you can add what you want |
| 10:32.27 | DeSian | cahoot, i wnat just add keyboard section |
| 10:33.44 | cahoot | DeSian: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
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| 10:34.18 | purplepenguins | i think it's bland because xorg tries to guess the right config for you |
| 10:34.23 | purplepenguins | blank* |
| 10:34.25 | DeSian | i don\t need that |
| 10:34.34 | alys | I'm logging off - this QWERTY is a 'killer' - I'm a dvorak touch typist - with certificates to prove it. ;-) |
| 10:34.36 | DeSian | just add DK keyboard layout not US |
| 10:34.41 | purplepenguins | and you can change the keyboard layout in GNOME |
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| 10:35.06 | DeSian | purplepenguins, gnome is for isnt for me |
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| 10:35.12 | DeSian | gnome is monster |
| 10:35.23 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 10:35.28 | DeSian | lxde |
| 10:35.41 | purplepenguins | there is a command...lemme see |
| 10:36.03 | DeSian | ok brb |
| 10:36.10 | kr1s-- | Hi, how can i list my pcm devices with alsa? |
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| 10:36.41 | {g} | Hey People! Whats an easy way to encrypt a string? Is there something like... echo "some txt" | crypt --password==bla ? |
| 10:36.55 | kr1s-- | I want to set the default sound device with: pcm.!default pcm.usb_hs |
| 10:36.57 | purplepenguins | ah, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:37.11 | purplepenguins | try doing that, i think it generates a default xorg.conf |
| 10:37.21 | kr1s-- | but i dont know the name of my usb headset |
| 10:37.26 | Hatrix | hello, i want to give an application the CAP_FOWNER=ep capability, with setcap I can set it for the file (in this case /usr/sbin/asterisk), with getcap on this file I see it is set, but if i start the process and check with getpcap the only thing set is: Capabilities for `7601': = cap_net_admin+ep, so why does the CAP_FOWNER does not work? And how can I set the capabillity of a running process? |
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| 10:38.08 | omry|work | is it possible to view the memory content of a running process ? |
| 10:38.15 | purplepenguins | wait, he left |
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| 10:40.13 | cahoot | kr1s--: you could config alsa to give snd-usb-audio index 0 |
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| 10:43.09 | purplepenguins | omry|work: memory content? |
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| 10:43.22 | purplepenguins | as in, look into its memory to see what it's doing? |
| 10:43.37 | omry|work | purplepenguins, yes. look in memory. to see what's there. |
| 10:43.48 | omry|work | for a specific process. |
| 10:44.04 | omry|work | I know what it's doing. |
| 10:44.21 | purplepenguins | i don't know of such a thing |
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| 10:45.09 | omry|work | purplepenguins, there is /proc/pid/mem, but for some reason I can't cat it. |
| 10:45.34 | Stereo | hello |
| 10:45.56 | steven43126 | omry|work: cat /proc/<pid>/mem :) |
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| 10:46.16 | Stereo | I'd like to monitor a raid array over snmp, but the counters defined by the rfc overflow after about 2.2 TB. Has anyone run into this before ? |
| 10:46.21 | omry|work | steven43126, didn't I just say it doesn't work? :) |
| 10:46.38 | steven43126 | lol didn't read too fat up my screen obviously |
| 10:46.44 | steven43126 | omry|work: why doesn't that work ? |
| 10:46.52 | omry|work | try and see |
| 10:47.03 | paissad-hp | what do you use for server for vnc ? ...... aptitude search server | grep vnc shows me only tightvncserver |
| 10:47.08 | omry|work | # cat /proc/23383/mem |
| 10:47.09 | omry|work | cat: /proc/23383/mem: No such process |
| 10:47.12 | paissad-hp | i would like to run this command 'vncserver' |
| 10:47.37 | kr1s-- | cahoot: and how? |
| 10:47.53 | purplepenguins | paissad-hp: tightvncserver is a vncserver software |
| 10:47.59 | steven43126 | omry|work: how annoying |
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| 10:48.11 | omry|work | steven43126, yes indeed. |
| 10:48.13 | steven43126 | omry|work: from memory im sure this used to work a while back |
| 10:48.15 | purplepenguins | i am not sure if it is invoked with the command 'vncserver' |
| 10:48.21 | cahoot | kr1s--: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ see 3.15 |
| 10:48.25 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, it seems to me that there were other vncserver software, am i wrong ? |
| 10:48.25 | steven43126 | omry|work: i guess gdb is your only shot |
| 10:48.35 | omry|work | steven43126, how would I do it with gdb? |
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| 10:48.45 | purplepenguins | it depends...what is the name of the software that uses the command 'vncserver' |
| 10:48.50 | steven43126 | gdm -p <pid> |
| 10:48.53 | omry|work | and? |
| 10:48.54 | purplepenguins | it may be that what you want isn't packaged in debian |
| 10:49.01 | steven43126 | there are several commands for examning memory |
| 10:49.05 | steven43126 | display / print etc |
| 10:49.14 | steven43126 | check the gdb reference manual |
| 10:49.19 | purplepenguins | tightvncserver is a decent vnc server package, it's what most people use anyway |
| 10:49.21 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, and what about x11vnc ? |
| 10:49.28 | steven43126 | but you can poke around in all memory owned by said process |
| 10:49.29 | omry|work | I don't have the address of whatI am after, I just want to grep through a memory dump |
| 10:49.30 | purplepenguins | did you search for 'x11vnc'? |
| 10:49.31 | paissad-hp | not a vncserver ? |
| 10:49.39 | purplepenguins | x11vnc is different |
| 10:49.44 | purplepenguins | you'd have to read their documentation |
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| 10:49.47 | purplepenguins | it's not a daemon |
| 10:49.48 | steven43126 | omry|work: im sure it's possible with gdb |
| 10:50.08 | steven43126 | omry|work: also may be possible to cause a core dump |
| 10:50.16 | steven43126 | then you can grep though that |
| 10:50.48 | purplepenguins | and you don't call it with 'vncserver' that I recall |
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| 10:52.02 | purplepenguins | paissad-hp: run 'apt-get install x11vnc', and then go check out their documentation online through google, or read through the manpage |
| 10:52.29 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, ok |
| 10:52.34 | alys | I'm back again - typing dvorak. Thanks for all your help and I cannot think how I couldn't find out how to change the keyboard. |
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| 10:53.30 | kr1s-- | cahoot: thx |
| 10:53.34 | purplepenguins | x11vnc is nice if you want to connect to a running X session, tightvncserver doesn't let you do that that I can recall |
| 10:54.25 | {g} | Hey People! Whats an easy way to encrypt a string? Is there something like... echo "some txt" | crypt --password==bla ? |
| 10:54.34 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, actually i just would like to control my server-desktop station as if i were in front of it ..... X is already running on my server station |
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| 10:54.49 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, i would like to use my laptop for that |
| 10:55.13 | paissad-hp | i just thought that i needed a vncserver and client |
| 10:55.25 | JoelR | i have a debian box and i am installing a chroot environment for apache2, i can install it perfectly (i made the environment with debootstrap), but when i reboot there are many files in the chroot environment that get deleted and it breaks all the system inside the chroot, any ideas why? |
| 10:55.32 | purplepenguins | paissad-hp: x11vnc is good, but you need to start it running on the server first |
| 10:55.42 | paissad-hp | so i 'm currently connected via ssh to my server station, i 've installed tightvncserver, |
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| 10:55.47 | purplepenguins | paissad-hp: for a viewer, search for vncviewer |
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| 10:56.13 | purplepenguins | paissad-hp: or if you have a gnome system vinagre is passable |
| 10:56.15 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, ok i see thanks |
| 10:56.24 | paissad-hp | i use xfce |
| 10:56.33 | Hatrix | anyone does now anything about capabilitis and how to set them? |
| 10:56.45 | purplepenguins | you could install vinagre though |
| 10:57.03 | paissad-hp | dunno what's vinagre, let me google that |
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| 10:58.14 | delcoyote | hi |
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| 11:03.03 | JoelR | anobody? |
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| 11:04.27 | DevilChaos | hi guys problems trying to open nas through samba any suggestion please? |
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| 11:06.21 | brad_ | i think i killed my server |
| 11:06.21 | JoelR | i have a debian box and i am installing a chroot environment for apache2, i can install it perfectly (i made the environment with debootstrap), but when i reboot there are many files in the chroot environment that get deleted and it breaks all the system inside the chroot, any ideas why? |
| 11:06.48 | brad_ | I restored /etc from a tar file and now apt says it can't resolve the source paths |
| 11:06.54 | purplepenguins | brad_: have you tried switching it off and on again? |
| 11:07.12 | brad_ | not yet. I'm afraid to |
| 11:07.19 | purplepenguins | twas a joke |
| 11:07.25 | brad_ | oh |
| 11:07.26 | purplepenguins | wait, why did you have to restore /etc... |
| 11:07.53 | brad_ | I was trying to install the vmware server, but everything went wrong, so I had to put it back the way it was |
| 11:08.00 | brad_ | production starts in 2 hours |
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| 11:08.47 | brad_ | I was installing the bare metal exsi |
| 11:09.08 | purplepenguins | i'm not sure what exsi is |
| 11:09.36 | purplepenguins | so you're doing a backup of the rootfilesystem after a vmware server failed to install? |
| 11:09.38 | brad_ | it's vmwares new hypervisor |
| 11:09.39 | lsd | brad_, you still here? |
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| 11:09.42 | purplepenguins | oh |
| 11:09.50 | lsd | brad_, btw did you recreate with -p? |
| 11:09.51 | purplepenguins | so it's a kernel thing? |
| 11:10.12 | brad_ | it's more like a kernel replacement |
| 11:10.25 | cantido | it's a hypervisor.. |
| 11:10.30 | brad_ | I did not recreate with -p because the man page said it was default for root |
| 11:10.58 | lsd | brad_, when *extracting*... |
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| 11:11.39 | purplepenguins | i'm afraid i'm not so familiar with it so i don't believe i can help as well as these other people here |
| 11:11.42 | oxi | hi |
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| 11:12.30 | oxi | how much RAM do I need if I want to run only a JVM in a default debian system and that's all? (if you don't count the RAM consumption for the JVM itself) |
| 11:12.50 | cantido | oxi: depends what application you want to run in that JVM |
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| 11:13.23 | cantido | oxi: the default heap size etc is some percentage of the installed memory IIRC |
| 11:13.23 | oxi | cantido: I thoroughly tested my java application, the JVM never goes beyond 128MB ram |
| 11:13.42 | oxi | cantido: yep, but I'm more interested about the host os specs |
| 11:13.44 | brad_ | lsd, so what did I just to my system |
| 11:14.04 | oxi | and also I wonder about the disk usage, if I go from a default debian system and only adding java |
| 11:14.08 | cantido | oxi: um, I wouldn't look at the process size, use visualvm or something to see whats actually happening |
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| 11:14.28 | oxi | cantido: ok, good idea, thanks |
| 11:15.16 | brad_ | is this recoverable ? |
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| 11:15.31 | cantido | oxi: if it's headless, you probably only need about 64meg of ram for the os, then whatever java needs.. which will be your heap etc |
| 11:15.48 | lsd | brad_, i'm not sure |
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| 11:15.58 | oxi | cantido: thanks a lot, that exactly the info I wanted to know |
| 11:16.07 | brad_ | any suggestions where to start ? |
| 11:16.48 | oxi | cantido: then I guess 128MB RAM reverved for the OS is alright |
| 11:16.48 | brad_ | even man is yelling at me now |
| 11:16.52 | lsd | brad_, how did you do the base install for the new vm? |
| 11:16.52 | oxi | (not counting the ram for java) |
| 11:17.10 | cantido | oxi: if it's just a host for a jvm 128meg should be fine |
| 11:17.11 | brad_ | I had to scrape the vm because I ran out of time |
| 11:17.12 | lsd | brad_, is it the same distro & version as before? |
| 11:17.12 | paissad-hp | i try to run x11vnc, but i have this error, may someone help me to solve that ? |
| 11:17.13 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.fr/5354 |
| 11:17.17 | brad_ | lenny |
| 11:17.43 | oxi | cantido: perfect, that was also my guess, but I wanted someone to share my opinion to be more certain about it |
| 11:17.47 | brad_ | I had to scrap the vm and go back to kvm |
| 11:17.52 | brad_ | or it would seem not |
| 11:18.07 | lsd | brad_, there are a lot of gaps in my knowledge of your story so far, so i'm wondering if you did silly stuff like overwriting /dev /proc /boot with contents from the tar file? |
| 11:18.35 | brad_ | no only /etc /var/www /var/lib/samba |
| 11:18.42 | cantido | oxi: just set the max sizes for the jvm so that the os has some head room I suppose.. bit of swap might be useful if the jvm collects loads of stuff that it doesnt use for long periods |
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| 11:19.11 | paissad-hp | i try to run x11vnc, but i have this error, may someone help me to solve that ? http://pastebin.fr/5354 |
| 11:19.47 | oxi | cantido: how about the disk usage, what's the default disk size for a lenny system only running a headless jvm? |
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| 11:20.05 | oxi | cantido: talking about a whole native host os, not about a kvm |
| 11:20.55 | cantido | oxi: I'm not sure what the base system + standard system task is anymore, I reckon you can get debian + sun's jdk into < 1gig though |
| 11:21.24 | purplepenguins | debian and jdk will fit with room to spare in 1gig |
| 11:21.31 | purplepenguins | but ram is cheap |
| 11:21.40 | oxi | cantido: do you think that's possible without fiddling with the system and using a normal install proceedure? |
| 11:21.52 | oxi | purplepenguins: thanks |
| 11:21.54 | paissad-hp | i don"'t know why the authentification is wrong, i entered the good password |
| 11:22.13 | purplepenguins | wait, disk space or ram... |
| 11:22.22 | fireba11 | purplepenguins: disk space |
| 11:22.25 | purplepenguins | disk space you'll want more than 1 GB |
| 11:22.30 | purplepenguins | JDK is pretty big |
| 11:22.30 | oxi | how much would the disk space be reduced for a KVM? |
| 11:23.09 | oxi | I think the default OpenVZ kernel virtualization images only take a few megs |
| 11:23.10 | cantido | oxi: should fit fine in 1GB |
| 11:23.32 | cantido | oxi: I have a 1GB kvm image with debian, sun's jdk and glassfish 2.1 here |
| 11:23.34 | oxi | cantido/purlplepenguins: thanks! |
| 11:23.56 | oxi | perfect, thanks for sharing your experience |
| 11:25.31 | cantido | purplepenguins: ram-wise, the JDK is only going to consume what the application needs |
| 11:26.03 | purplepenguins | yes |
| 11:26.43 | cantido | there are some micro's with less than a meg of ram running java apps,.. so it can be lean :) |
| 11:27.13 | purplepenguins | but are they using sun's jdk? |
| 11:29.12 | cantido | Can't remember off hand, the one I'm thinking of is all sun certed up though |
| 11:29.33 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 11:29.42 | purplepenguins | well that's cool either way |
| 11:29.57 | purplepenguins | i like java so long as i don't have to mess with it |
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| 11:31.14 | Hatrix | i have a aquired a court restraining order agains java (java is not allowed 250meters around my servers) |
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| 11:31.41 | kr1s-- | hi, how can i change the mouse sensitivity and set off the acceleration? |
| 11:31.45 | kr1s-- | (gnome) |
| 11:32.12 | kr1s-- | the acceleration is very bad for 1st persion shooter |
| 11:32.29 | kr1s-- | -i |
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| 11:34.30 | kr1s-- | xset m doesn't work |
| 11:34.30 | fireba11 | Hatrix: lol |
| 11:34.58 | cantido | Hatrix: so you don't run any big important apps then? ;) |
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| 11:35.54 | yik | I can see the hatred for Java, but once you come to understand it is not bad at all. Note that there are foss java implementations out there these days. |
| 11:36.11 | Hatrix | cantido: sure i do :-) but i use big important apps which are written in languages for the big boys (e.g. C), i don't like to play with toys ;-) |
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| 11:38.28 | cantido | Hatrix: plently of big boys use java,.. and even C apps can badly written. |
| 11:38.40 | Hatrix | yik: i used and developed and debugged and did things to and with java which i would not tell anybody (unless it's a priest in a dark cabin) ... so, ... i know the quirks around java and i still plainly do not like it ... the only stronghold of java in big enterprise is that there are a lot of cheap code-mungers out there with java knowledge ... emphasis on cheap as in, very cheap as in puedes comparar con visualbasic desarolladores |
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| 11:39.58 | Hatrix | cantido: sure are there very badly c programs, i am sitting in front of one of the uglier ones right now: asterisk, this is really a nightmare |
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| 11:40.18 | Hatrix | but it beats java (all i say is in my oppinion, ymmv) |
| 11:41.04 | cantido | Hatrix: I do enjoy it when people shit a "language".. C code isn't all that different from Java code.. but do you get API's like JPA etc built into "C". Nope. |
| 11:41.34 | yik | I'd argue C code is very different from Java code.. |
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| 11:42.20 | cantido | most languages share the same sort of basic constructs, unless you're comparing C to something like VHDL |
| 11:43.25 | yik | cantido: that's like saying all procedural languages are the same, or all object-oriented ones. You can do both in C and Java, even if C doesn't natively support OO-style syntax) |
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| 11:45.40 | Hatrix | cantido: look, my 15 minutes of fame right now are over, my rage is gone :-) so, code in whatever you want, if you like java, please, built me coffee machine activation service with it (pun intended) but ... don't praise it ... i use the right language for the job onhand (as in c, python, perl, bash scripting, awk(ward), javascript, c#, visual basic (i was jung and needed the money), objective c, c++, maybe someday ruby, scheme and lisp |
| 11:46.04 | Deepa | <3 |
| 11:46.13 | cantido | yik: that aside, you don't have to code stuff that runs on a jvm in java. not for the last 5 years IIRC |
| 11:46.32 | Deepa | Python runs in jvm |
| 11:46.36 | Deepa | I heard |
| 11:46.44 | cantido | and ruby, groovy, scala,.. |
| 11:46.46 | yik | Hm yes I completely forgot about that |
| 11:46.49 | cantido | php |
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| 11:47.14 | cantido | someone probably has a C/C++ compiler that'll compile to java bytecode too |
| 11:47.28 | yik | I doubt that's possible |
| 11:47.32 | lsd | Hatrix, disasterisk |
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| 11:47.47 | Hatrix | cantido: yeah, the world is perverted plays nowadays, isnt' it? |
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| 11:48.11 | Hatrix | lsd i am right now looking with my sabbering mouth to freeswitch |
| 11:48.35 | lsd | yes |
| 11:48.40 | lsd | has been involved with the project |
| 11:48.54 | lsd | apart from my dislike for XML, it's really f**king brilliant |
| 11:49.05 | lsd | one of the most aweseome opensource projects out there, no question |
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| 11:49.38 | lsd | ... and to bring things back on topic - it works fine in debian :p |
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| 11:50.07 | Hatrix | lsd yeah, i don't have a problem with xml as long as it's stable and i don't have like 3 segfaults and 4 locks in aday on mediocre 60 agents call-center which the last 2 weeks freaked the hell out of my |
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| 11:50.49 | lsd | we've been using it here in a reasonably demanding production environment without any problems |
| 11:51.10 | lsd | well initially the spidermonkey module used to segfault badly but i tracked the bug down |
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| 11:51.18 | lsd | and haven't had any problems since |
| 11:51.30 | Hatrix | lsd explain reasonably demanding please, i am interested in realtime storys |
| 11:51.58 | lsd | Hatrix, we take ~20k calls / day |
| 11:52.04 | lsd | so not insane, but it's enough |
| 11:52.30 | lsd | using freeswitch specifically as an IVR here |
| 11:52.33 | Hatrix | do you have like call-center operations? as in, a few queues with agents or is it more like a traditional pbx setup? |
| 11:52.38 | lsd | nah, conference calling |
| 11:52.47 | Hatrix | mhm |
| 11:52.54 | lsd | but there's always the intial IVR phase when doing conference calls |
| 11:52.58 | Hatrix | only sip? |
| 11:53.00 | lsd | fs transfers to our bridges |
| 11:53.26 | lsd | um, yeah we only talk SIP to freeswitch, our media gateways handle the STM-1 / TDM connections |
| 11:53.35 | lsd | actually we have a crapload of ISDN (e1) trunks too |
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| 11:54.17 | Hatrix | mhm, what gateways do you use? we use digium cards (tpe420) and xircom switch for mobile connections ... the xircom gives me headaches |
| 11:54.17 | eshat | Hi all |
| 11:54.35 | Hatrix | i was looking into dedicated gateways, but they are freaking expensive |
| 11:54.43 | lsd | been working on a B2BUA / SBC router app which should be able to manage around 6k simultaneous calls with full media passthrough |
| 11:54.51 | lsd | had to hax0r the linux kernel to get that speed tho |
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| 11:55.02 | eshat | I have no truetype font when I type my username and passwort at KDM on debian sid (since update to KDE 4.3), any workaround ? |
| 11:55.08 | lsd | Hatrix, such as? cisco? as5400? |
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| 11:57.30 | Hatrix | lsd the sbc app sounds like a fun project :-) i was looking on gateways from mediant |
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| 11:58.05 | lsd | managed to get full gbit saturation (over 500k packets/sec) using the UDP/IP stack i wrote. that's been awesome fun. the actual SBC app is slightly less fun :p |
| 11:58.35 | Hatrix | lsd haha, sounds nice, care to share your udp/ip stacky thingy? |
| 11:58.53 | lsd | when 2.6.32 comes out it'll have the necessary patches in mainstream |
| 11:59.06 | lsd | the packet_mmap TX ring stuff |
| 11:59.11 | lsd | written by a guy called Johann Baudy |
| 11:59.26 | lsd | so i've just written a userspace UDP/IP stack using the TX DMA ring |
| 11:59.47 | lsd | i am going to share it but i need to spend more time actually *using* it so i can get the API right |
| 11:59.50 | Hatrix | hmmm, very interesting |
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| 12:00.05 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 12:00.07 | lsd | ethernet only of course |
| 12:00.11 | lsd | it's layer1 code |
| 12:00.11 | Mazingaro | is there oolite in lenny? |
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| 12:01.11 | eshat | (quit |
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| 12:02.30 | Hatrix | lsd ok, was really nice talking to you, i have to recompile the shitty asterisk now with enhanced capabilites (stupid cap_fowner) ... do you have your name registered for a later chat if i have convinced management to give freeswitch a try? to like exchange experiences? :-) |
| 12:02.38 | lsd | good luck man |
| 12:02.55 | lsd | sure i'm always on #freeswitch, but not always looking :p |
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| 12:03.25 | Hatrix | lsd haha, i was not talking in minutes or hours, more like in days :-) anyway until next time :-) |
| 12:03.38 | lsd | or weeks / months |
| 12:03.50 | lsd | tschuess |
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| 12:03.58 | lsd | -s |
| 12:04.16 | HatrixAway | mhm, tschüs mit ü, tschau mit au :-) |
| 12:04.36 | lsd | gael |
| 12:05.13 | soulchild | I still have no truetype font when typing in KDM on KDE 4.3, nobody's got the same problem ? |
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| 12:05.25 | cypr1nus | hello, what can be the reason that /etc/protocols have small amount of protocols ant it's i.e. ssh is missing or http |
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| 12:06.26 | cypr1nus | and it's missing* |
| 12:06.35 | themill | soulchild: changing nick and asking the same question won't change answer or lack of it. You're running sid -- have you checked the bts? have you asked #debian-kde? |
| 12:06.47 | jelly | grumble |
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| 12:07.03 | jelly | ... they should have named the directory /etc/udev/sucks.d/ |
| 12:07.05 | Saint-N | im gonna take a wild stab that tuetype fonts werent installed |
| 12:07.11 | Saint-N | or he clicked no the to agreement |
| 12:07.27 | Saint-N | to the |
| 12:07.32 | Saint-N | yay morning dyslexia! |
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| 12:08.54 | Kernel_Core | hi all |
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| 12:09.24 | jelly | tuetype fonts are the same as truetype, except sometimes glyphs go randomly missing or switched around |
| 12:10.04 | Kernel_Core | I am running the latest version of Debian (5.0.2) and I logged in to gnome , I am wondering if I login via SSH remotely , can I run an application from command line and see the result in my Gnome Desktop ? |
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| 12:11.29 | ranix | Kernel_Core: probably, it's called X11 forwarding |
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| 12:11.54 | ranix | Kernel_Core: if, on the remote server, the x11 forwarding is enabled, and you are running X on the local machine |
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| 12:12.25 | lsd | i think he means log in to local box from remote, and start the application on local desktop |
| 12:12.28 | ranix | Kernel_Core: you can ssh -X ranix.com and run xeyes and it will appear on your screen |
| 12:12.30 | abrotman | i think he wants it displayed on the remote machine |
| 12:12.30 | lsd | export display=:0 style |
| 12:12.40 | ranix | ah |
| 12:12.43 | lsd | forgets how |
| 12:12.49 | ranix | that's possible too but less useful probably |
| 12:12.53 | Kernel_Core | lsd: you are right |
| 12:12.56 | Deepa | export display=localhost:0.0 :D? |
| 12:13.06 | lsd | yeah :) |
| 12:13.37 | lsd | Kernel_Core, of course, the app will die when you exit the shell unless you bg / disown it |
| 12:13.46 | abrotman | !mit-magic-cookie |
| 12:13.46 | dpkg | a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use xhost (ask me about <xhost>). The xauth utility is in the package xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about <root x>. |
| 12:13.47 | JyZyXEL | does wget support downloading multiple files once? |
| 12:13.49 | abrotman | perhaps ? |
| 12:14.01 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: dump them each to the background .. start another |
| 12:14.11 | soulchild | themill: I didn't changed my Nick to get an answer faster, that's why I said "I still have ...". I changed my Nick, because I changed my IRC Client. I ll ask in #debian-kde thank you |
| 12:14.15 | Deepa | !xhost |
| 12:14.15 | dpkg | i guess xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about <sshx>). Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. See also <xhost +localhost>. |
| 12:14.26 | lsd | hahaha :)) |
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| 12:14.58 | oreo | hey everyone! i'm looking for someone with experience in fwbuilder |
| 12:15.11 | Kernel_Core | <Deepa> export display=localhost:0.0 <----- and then I Issued #feh * and I got this error : Can't Open X Display |
| 12:15.30 | abrotman | i don't think you want to do it as root |
| 12:15.48 | lsd | Kernel_Core, yeah you wanna see the above infos from dpkg bot |
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| 12:16.49 | Kernel_Core | lsd: how ?! |
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| 12:17.14 | Kernel_Core | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.14 | dpkg | xhost is probably EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about <sshx>). Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. See also <xhost +localhost>. |
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| 12:18.08 | lsd | Kernel_Core, see <abrotman> !mit-magic-cookie |
| 12:18.10 | purplepenguins | mit-magic-cookie makes me giggle sometimes |
| 12:18.27 | Kernel_Core | !mit-magic-cookie |
| 12:18.27 | dpkg | a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use xhost (ask me about <xhost>). The xauth utility is in the package xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about <root x>. |
| 12:18.28 | lsd | das magic cookie ja |
| 12:18.37 | abrotman | or msg the bot |
| 12:18.38 | ranix | !msg the bot |
| 12:18.38 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 12:18.42 | bigtone | I have a problem with GRUB. I have 4x HDD in RAID1 for /boot and RAID6 for the rest (LVM over LUKS). /dev/sda and /dev/sdd are failing, so I am replacing them. GRUB is installed on /dev/sda, and I can't get it to work on the new drive. I try "grub-install /dev/sdd" (the new drive is sitting on /dev/sdd since I replaced the old one) but on reboot I see only "GRUB Hard Disk Error". Any thoughts on what to try? |
| 12:18.54 | Stereo | bigtone: that's a huge /boot :) |
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| 12:19.37 | EmleyMoor | bigtone: Hold on - I think I have the solution |
| 12:19.41 | Stereo | does grub-install fail on, say, sdb too ? |
| 12:19.41 | bigtone | Stereo: well, I couldn't use that space for anything else - may as well go overkill on RAID1 :-) |
| 12:20.04 | bigtone | Stereo: didn't try, was nervous about reckless commands |
| 12:20.09 | ranix | Stereo: he didn't say how big the boot partition is? how do you know it's huge |
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| 12:20.49 | EmleyMoor | bigtone: Fire up grub then try this: |
| 12:20.51 | Stereo | ranix: four disks in raid1... |
| 12:21.00 | bigtone | RAID1 is mirror, not stripe |
| 12:21.01 | ranix | Stereo: raid1 is just a mirror |
| 12:21.10 | EmleyMoor | device (hd0) /dev/sdb |
| 12:21.19 | EmleyMoor | root (hd0,0) |
| 12:21.23 | EmleyMoor | setup (hd0) |
| 12:21.26 | Stereo | oh, I was thinking of raid 10, you're right |
| 12:21.37 | EmleyMoor | device (hd0) /dev/sdc |
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| 12:21.42 | EmleyMoor | Repeat other two |
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| 12:21.53 | Kernel_Core | !mit-magic-cookie export |
| 12:21.54 | dpkg | You can export your <mit-magic-cookie> to allow another user to run applications on your display by doing one (but not both) of: 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or 'export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority'. For other approaches, ask me about <root x>. |
| 12:22.17 | EmleyMoor | I have a similar setup |
| 12:22.18 | ranix | bigtone: if you get grub installed on one of the disks that's working and create your raid1 with it, then add the rest of the disks, md will take care of the rest |
| 12:22.28 | oreo | anyone? |
| 12:22.33 | ranix | bigtone: you only need to install grub once |
| 12:22.38 | lsd | Kernel_Core, please message the bot. also, the information is going to be the same every time you ask the question :p |
| 12:23.06 | Kernel_Core | lsd: yea |
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| 12:23.28 | bigtone | EmleyMoor: when you say "repeat other two" you mean also run "device (hd0) /dev/sdd"? |
| 12:23.45 | EmleyMoor | bigtone: No - that's same one |
| 12:23.47 | EmleyMoor | root (hd0,0) |
| 12:23.48 | bigtone | EmleyMoor: /dev/sda is damaged, and is only in there at the moment for the boot sector / grub |
| 12:23.50 | EmleyMoor | setup (hd0) |
| 12:24.11 | bigtone | oh, OK |
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| 12:24.27 | bigtone | EmleyMoor: but I should also do it for /dev/sdd too, right? |
| 12:24.27 | EmleyMoor | Ideally, when all working, you want it on all four |
| 12:24.36 | bigtone | that puts grub on all three of the good disks, right? |
| 12:25.02 | EmleyMoor | bigtone: If that is beginning to fail, no need until you have replaced it - no harm in trying though |
| 12:25.37 | EmleyMoor | If you have already replaced it, yes |
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| 12:25.50 | bigtone | no, /dev/sdd is now a new disk - I've pulled the failing /dev/sdd out and replaced it. Will replace the fourth disk (/dev/sda) when vendor replaces dodgy disk |
| 12:25.55 | EmleyMoor | (you would be able to boot if the other three copies failed) |
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| 12:28.05 | bigtone | right, off to reboot |
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| 12:28.36 | bigtone | (as soon as wife finishes sending email) |
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| 12:29.19 | Kernel_Core | lsd: I thinks it works but stupid question ! I am running Vmware under windows , and when I issue CTRL+ALT+F1 or F6 doesn't work ! |
| 12:29.23 | oreo | on my firewall, i have the wan interface that gets its ip through dhcp; i'd like to know if it's possible to use an ip object that represents that IP when I configure the rules, or what I am supposed to do if I want to use that IP |
| 12:30.02 | Kernel_Core | ctrl+alt was reserved for releasing session ! |
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| 12:31.50 | lsd | Kernel_Core, linux guest under vmware windows host? |
| 12:32.24 | Kernel_Core | lsd: yea |
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| 12:33.07 | lsd | Kernel_Core, press F1, start reading :p |
| 12:33.13 | Kernel_Core | lol |
| 12:33.27 | lsd | you probably need to change the vmware "release" shortcut |
| 12:33.30 | lsd | it's ctrl-alt by default |
| 12:33.34 | Deepa | I'm pretty sure you change it in the preferences |
| 12:33.46 | lsd | ^^^ that |
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| 12:35.14 | varlon | hi, I'm try to install adobe_flashplayer_10 from deb-file by "dpkg -i install_flash_player_10_linux.deb", but this was allready installed. so, now I have a problem's with aptitude and synaptec (requared filed didn't found for adobe_flashplayer). How can I improve it? |
| 12:35.24 | Kernel_Core | lsd: found the solution : press CTRL+ALT+SPACE+F1 or Fn |
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| 12:36.23 | abrotman | varlon: aptitude -f install |
| 12:36.23 | lsd | my keyboard can't handle that truth |
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| 12:36.58 | Kernel_Core | lsd: lol why ?! |
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| 12:37.57 | varlon | abrotman, I got: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the adobe-flashplugin package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 12:38.07 | abrotman | so remove it ? |
| 12:38.12 | varlon | how can I do it manually? |
| 12:38.52 | abrotman | varlon: where did you get those packages? |
| 12:38.53 | themill | varlon: and next time, don't install packages designed for ubuntu onto your debian system. |
| 12:39.10 | varlon | from adobe.com |
| 12:39.25 | jelly | varlon: adobe.com didn't say it was built for Debian |
| 12:39.30 | varlon | themill, okay, but on adobe.com I found deb only for ubuntu |
| 12:40.00 | varlon | early (about 2 years) I haven't problem |
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| 12:40.15 | abrotman | !tell varlon about dmm |
| 12:40.26 | themill | varlon: /msg dpkg adobe flash |
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| 12:41.48 | varlon | okay, thanks. I'm sweared. how can I resolve my problem? |
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| 12:42.57 | tuantub | varlon: hi, you can manually download the .tar.gz file on adobe.com and put libflashplayer.so into ~/.mozilla/plugins/ after unpacking it |
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| 12:43.44 | varlon | hmmm, I haven't problem with flash (now). My main problem - I can't install/remove packages |
| 12:43.57 | bigtone | EmleyMoor: that worked a treat. +1. Would ask this user again. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA+ :-) |
| 12:44.13 | varlon | because I got (E) error from synaptic and aptitude |
| 12:44.17 | abrotman | varlon: dpkg -P the broken packages .. then use the package from debian-multimedia.org |
| 12:44.23 | varlon | okay |
| 12:44.25 | varlon | thanks |
| 12:44.30 | EmleyMoor | bigtone: :-) |
| 12:44.36 | EmleyMoor | Must sync mine up again |
| 12:44.42 | themill | tuantub: that's a horrible hack of a solution |
| 12:44.59 | tuantub | themill: why ? :-/ |
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| 12:45.08 | bigtone | also thanks to Stereo and ranix for quick responses. How good is the community around Debian and GNU/Linux, hey? |
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| 12:45.44 | abrotman | tuantub: what if there is more than one user? what about newer flahs versions? |
| 12:45.45 | themill | tuantub: Have you seen how often Adobe has to release new versions of flash to fix some random security hole or other? Are you going to manually track them and then do that step each and every time? |
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| 12:46.24 | _marix | is there a easy way of purging left over conf files and unused directorys from apt-get removed apps, that was not apt-get purged? |
| 12:46.37 | themill | dpkg: tell _marix about purge |
| 12:46.46 | tuantub | themill: abrotman : i do it ONLY for myself :) |
| 12:46.46 | Saint-N | apt-get autoclean |
| 12:47.01 | Saint-N | that works too |
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| 12:47.14 | themill | Saint-N: man apt-get. That's a rather different thing |
| 12:47.38 | Saint-N | or is that the cleanup of the pkg's |
| 12:47.42 | Stereo | bigtone: pleasure :) |
| 12:47.52 | Saint-N | not sitting on a deb machine right now ;) |
| 12:48.06 | themill | tuantub: I'm glad you enjoy running a vulnerable flash player from adobe or spending lots of time manually updating things. Just because you like doing that doesn't make it good advice to give others. |
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| 12:48.55 | Saint-N | themill: dont forget the argument for quicktime and apple(bsd) boxes |
| 12:49.07 | Saint-N | nothing says open exposure like horrible advice ;) |
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| 12:50.40 | tuantub | themill: i do it only when some websites require the newest version of flashplugin :). Ok, as you said, i'll be becarefull while making suggestion next time :D |
| 12:51.04 | abrotman | tuantub: just because a website requires it, doesn't mean that you'll get the interim security fixes |
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| 12:51.38 | cantido | most developers aim for previous versions of flash anyhow |
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| 12:51.45 | tuantub | themill: btw, it takes me only few minutes to figure it :P |
| 12:52.02 | cantido | some people still do stuff so that it works with flash ~6 |
| 12:52.05 | Arrowmaster | just because some random website says you should install some software doesnt make it a good idea |
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| 12:52.17 | purplepenguins | or a random irc channel |
| 12:52.21 | yik | agreed |
| 12:52.22 | themill | tuantub: it only takes you a few minutes to figure out you're running a flash player with know security holes. Lucky you. |
| 12:52.47 | tuantub | themill: :) |
| 12:52.49 | abrotman | themill: TBH .. it's instant .. you are :) |
| 12:52.50 | oreo | "Firewalls based on OpenBSD pf do not require this because pf can dynamically load IP address of the interface when it changes" --> debian should definitely move to pf |
| 12:52.58 | abrotman | oreo: you mean linux ? |
| 12:53.03 | themill | abrotman: emphasis on "known" :) |
| 12:53.11 | abrotman | themill: someone knows ... |
| 12:53.15 | cantido | would hope that holes in flash couldn't escape further than the browser.. |
| 12:53.31 | oreo | abrotman: could be broadened to linux as well |
| 12:53.38 | themill | cantido: hah! It's allowed to write files to your disk... |
| 12:53.47 | abrotman | oreo: you get to work porting it .. thanks |
| 12:53.47 | oreo | but since i use debian for my gateway, i'm more interested in debian having it =) |
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| 12:54.02 | yik | well, oreo, you need support in the kernel for that to ever work.. |
| 12:54.08 | cantido | themill: does it do that via the browser though? all network traffic is tunneled through the browser for example |
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| 12:54.12 | jelly | oreo: use Debian/kFreeBSD and see if they have pf? |
| 12:54.19 | oreo | abrotman: do you always have to be so annoying? |
| 12:54.21 | yik | too bad pf is BSDL, or put other way, too bad the linux kernel is GPL |
| 12:54.31 | oreo | jelly: we have to wait for stable release... |
| 12:54.41 | jelly | oreo: use OpenBSD, then. |
| 12:54.41 | abrotman | oreo: if you want it changed, change it .. it's a linux issue, not a debian issue |
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| 12:54.59 | cantido | Doesn't solaris have pf too? |
| 12:55.02 | tuantub | themill: how does debian secure flashplugin when it's closed source ? |
| 12:55.07 | nullie | how can I extract list of packages from control file? |
| 12:55.18 | abrotman | tuantub: debian doesn't distribute flash .. it's secured that way :) |
| 12:55.28 | abrotman | doesn't distribute for stable anyways |
| 12:55.29 | themill | tuantub: it can't. But it can offer you automatic updates to the plugin when new versions are released. |
| 12:55.40 | themill | cantido: well it writes to ~/.adobe/Flash_Player so presumably the plugin has requested that it be allowed to do so and the browser has allowed that. Is the browser going to stop it writing to ~/bin? |
| 12:55.45 | abrotman | nullie: which control file? |
| 12:55.48 | jelly | oreo: netfilter is very different from pf, and there are lots of features missing; use the right tool for the job, and if you need pf, go and use pf |
| 12:55.57 | jelly | oreo: it's all free software anyway |
| 12:56.00 | nullie | abrotman: source package control file |
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| 12:56.13 | abrotman | nullie: you want to know which packages it will build when compiled ? |
| 12:56.20 | nullie | yes |
| 12:56.20 | cantido | themill: um, you'd hope that the browser stops plugins and scripts from doing stupid things yes |
| 12:56.36 | oreo | jelly: i'm kinda stuck with linux though, because the gateway also runs the services in openvz instances |
| 12:56.46 | themill | cantido: you think iceweasel really has a whitelist of where things can write too? I doubt it |
| 12:57.01 | jelly | oreo: nothing stops you from putting another fw in front |
| 12:57.26 | nullie | abrotman: I want to alter each package files in rules |
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| 12:57.51 | craigevil | you can set the .adobe and .macromedia directories to read only and flash will still work |
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| 12:58.22 | jelly | oreo: even if linux magically got pf today, you still wouldn't be able to use it until lenny+1 or lenny+2 with the "Debian stable" requirement |
| 12:58.38 | cantido | themill: there's lots of in-browser security, you can't even read the contents of another window from script.. so it would be sensible if other stuff was secured in the same fashion |
| 12:58.56 | oreo | jelly: the reason i got a bigger server was to have only one physical box |
| 12:59.12 | themill | cantido: but you can't really imagine that iceweasel can know every single directory that every single plugin that they didn't write is going to want to write to. |
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| 12:59.34 | jelly | oreo: so run OpenBSD in a vm :-D |
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| 13:00.11 | cantido | themill: so all security issues == the ability to write/read files, that presumably the user already has access to |
| 13:00.25 | bac0n | i have problem with dolphin .... im trying to copy an icon but it creates i link instead |
| 13:00.31 | jelly | oreo: give it a separate physical network interface, problem solved - still one phys. machine |
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| 13:01.15 | cantido | themill: I would be more worried about people using dodgy flash to circumvent the restrictions in place inside the browser really. |
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| 13:02.08 | nullie | abrotman: so, do you have answer? |
| 13:02.13 | cantido | bac0n: that happens if you drop stuff on to your desktop, or the same FS AFAIK |
| 13:02.15 | themill | thought that was what we were talking about |
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| 13:02.37 | abrotman | nullie: alter to do what? you're going to have to explain more about what oyu're trying to do |
| 13:02.54 | bac0n | i set up dolphin in a split screen and drag an icon(png) to the other and choose copy |
| 13:03.10 | bac0n | still it creates a link |
| 13:03.29 | bac0n | same if a drop the icon to folder view |
| 13:03.40 | cantido | in that case read/writing files isn't the problem, you don't want flash or script from other domains inspecting data that doesn't belong to them.. most modern browsers do that. |
| 13:04.09 | cantido | s/do/stop/ |
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| 13:04.58 | themill | cantido: previousl vulns in flash have allowed it to read or write arbitrary files or execute arbitrary code -- what more do you want to know? |
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| 13:05.35 | bigtone | bac0n: tried holding down control as you drop the file? |
| 13:05.51 | tuantub | themill: :-ss |
| 13:05.52 | bac0n | cantido: hehe i choose copy link and it copied the file :)= |
| 13:06.39 | bac0n | cantido: control created an link |
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| 13:07.29 | bac0n | cantido: shift + ctrl copied the file :)= |
| 13:07.45 | nullie | abrotman: oh, I found dh_listpackages |
| 13:08.01 | bac0n | cantido: seems copy and link have shift places |
| 13:08.22 | cantido | bac0n: I prefered konq as the file manager to be honest |
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| 13:09.45 | bac0n | cantido: i run testing with kde from unstable ... so i wait for kde 4.3.0 to hit testing ..... i can live with that ... as long i can copy files |
| 13:09.58 | cantido | themill: well, generated SWF can also contain defects.. so updating the player doesnt solve everything. most bugs I can find against flash are XSS etc,.. sort of what I expected. |
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| 13:10.32 | cantido | bac0n: 4.3 is a major improvement :) |
| 13:10.42 | bac0n | o yes |
| 13:10.47 | bac0n | snappier |
| 13:11.01 | omid8bimo | hey guys, how can i know if my laptop's intergared on screen mic is working? i wanna use it on ekiga but it's not detecting nay sound |
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| 13:11.21 | cantido | omid8bimo: try recording from it |
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| 13:11.51 | omid8bimo | cantido: how? |
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| 13:12.33 | cantido | omid8bimo: arecord, audacity.. |
| 13:12.43 | themill | cantido: the player still shouldn't allow arbitrary code execution even on some dodgy swf. I really have no idea what you're arguing about here.... the discussion started by me pointing out that keeping the flash player updated was important as new vulns were found and you seem to be arguing against that. |
| 13:12.45 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.16 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 13:14.59 | omid8bimo | is there any modules which i can load or anywhere to see if it's detected? |
| 13:16.01 | cantido | omid8bimo: you should be able to see what alsa thinks you have some the recording part of alsamixer |
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| 13:17.27 | omid8bimo | cantido: i only have measter, headphone, pcm, beep and speaker in alsamixer |
| 13:17.54 | cantido | omid8bimo: press tab, what do you see on the capture page? |
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| 13:18.20 | ONE_PATE | have apache on a laptop wich a homepage, and will see this page on other pc taht is in the same network, i type the 1p from the laptop(apache server) but not conection |
| 13:18.25 | ONE_PATE | whats problem |
| 13:18.43 | omid8bimo | cantido: bunch of new stuff |
| 13:19.16 | omid8bimo | cantido: capture, dac0, digital |
| 13:19.34 | cantido | omid8bimo: A mic will be mic or maybe line-in |
| 13:19.48 | cantido | omid8bimo: sometimes line-in and mic are reversed too.. |
| 13:20.15 | omid8bimo | cantido: no mic or input source |
| 13:20.21 | omid8bimo | cantido: but i have input source |
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| 13:20.54 | cantido | omid8bimo: you should be able to toggle input source to mic.. if alsa thinks you have a mic |
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| 13:21.31 | omid8bimo | cantido: i have mic and front mic |
| 13:21.37 | omid8bimo | cantido: it was already on mic |
| 13:21.46 | paissad-hp | hmm, which runlevel does not start X automatically apart of runlevel 1 .... i thought that runlevel 2 did not run X , but multi user mode contrary to runlevel 1 ? |
| 13:22.28 | cantido | omid8bimo: ok, you might have to play around before you get it working.. you should be to work out which input your mic is on with audacity |
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| 13:22.40 | cantido | paissad-hp: debian doesnt do that |
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| 13:23.08 | paissad-hp | cantido, is it possible to start in multi user mode without X ? |
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| 13:23.47 | abrotman | paissad-hp: 2-5 are the same |
| 13:23.48 | paissad-hp | oh i see, i edit /etc/init.d/?dm and i change the fact the it start for runlevel 2, |
| 13:24.00 | cantido | paissad-hp: remove the xdm |
| 13:24.04 | abrotman | !tell paissad-hp about nodm |
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| 13:24.36 | omid8bimo | cantido: okay, i work around it a little bit |
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| 13:24.56 | paissad-hp | i don't want to remove ?dm |
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| 13:25.04 | cantido | omid8bimo: I find my mic break every other kernel revision ;) |
| 13:25.05 | paissad-hp | absolutely not :) |
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| 13:28.34 | kronic | I'm running lenny, and I'm attempting to use aptitude however it segfaults about libapt-pkg-libc6 |
| 13:28.51 | kronic | weird, it crashed all of sudden, console at kernel panic |
| 13:28.57 | kronic | *had |
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| 13:30.02 | MikeSeth | kronic: memtest86 |
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| 13:30.25 | g00se | Where is the wine channel - can't find it ? |
| 13:30.31 | fas3r | do you know an audio mixer who i can minimize in the taskbar ? |
| 13:30.51 | abrotman | fas3r: what is your DE/WM ? |
| 13:31.11 | fas3r | i se alsa driver |
| 13:31.18 | simonrvn | #winehq, here |
| 13:31.19 | abrotman | gnome? kde? fluxbox? |
| 13:31.25 | jpinx-eeepc | g00se: #winehg |
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| 13:31.31 | simonrvn | could be ##winehq |
| 13:31.32 | fas3r | ha sorry :) it's fluxbox |
| 13:31.37 | abrotman | g00se: /msg alis list *wine* |
| 13:31.38 | jpinx-eeepc | *q |
| 13:31.38 | g00se | Oh thanks guys |
| 13:31.54 | abrotman | fas3r: but fluxbox doesn't have a taskbar ? |
| 13:32.15 | simonrvn | wtf is alis? |
| 13:32.22 | fas3r | really .. i have skype and network manager and i see them in the taskbar |
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| 13:32.35 | fas3r | (small icon) |
| 13:32.58 | harpal | !hcl |
| 13:32.59 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>. |
| 13:33.04 | MikeSeth | fas3r: ummm... aumix-gtk iirc |
| 13:33.08 | themill | dpkg: tell simonrvn about alis |
| 13:33.37 | themill | simonrvn: grr... thought I created that one a while ago. It's a chanserv replacement for non-admin functions like finding channels |
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| 13:35.10 | simonrvn | oh thank you |
| 13:35.45 | abrotman | simonrvn: /msg alis help |
| 13:36.12 | simonrvn | got it :) |
| 13:36.13 | fas3r | MikeSeth: abrotman : i can't use the kde sound manager? |
| 13:37.00 | abrotman | i'm sure you can .. seems like overkill for fluxbox |
| 13:37.10 | MikeSeth | fas3r: dont know i havent used kde for years |
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| 13:37.24 | MikeSeth | it will probably load a metric pisston of services if you try to strt it |
| 13:37.30 | user224 | facebook zombies :D - http://apps.facebook.com/zombies/links.php?r=719927515&nref=st |
| 13:37.52 | fas3r | MikeSeth: me too :) |
| 13:38.56 | cypr1nus | where can I find numerical equivalents of interfaces? like http or ssh, because i don't have such informations in /etc/protocols |
| 13:39.27 | the-dude | cypr1nus: /etc/services |
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| 13:39.35 | cypr1nus | the-dude: thanks |
| 13:39.36 | MikeSeth | /etc/service |
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| 13:48.46 | linduxed1 | is there a way to disable the trackpoint mouse but not the touchpad (if there's not such an option in BIOS)? |
| 13:48.55 | abrotman | on a thinkpad ? |
| 13:49.05 | linduxed1 | latitude d800 |
| 13:49.13 | abrotman | most BIOS have the option for that |
| 13:49.15 | lsd | ie you want the buttons to work but not the pad? |
| 13:49.22 | lsd | oh |
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| 13:49.27 | abrotman | lsd: trackpoint and trackpad .. some laptops have both |
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| 13:50.22 | linduxed1 | abrotman: the closest option the BIOS has here is killing the touchpad along with the trackpoint |
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| 13:50.42 | abrotman | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-367410.html |
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| 13:50.59 | abrotman | looks like via udev you can disable one of them |
| 13:51.03 | lsd | abrotman, i know, i misunderstood :) |
| 13:52.06 | linduxed1 | abrotman: hmmm, will read that |
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| 13:52.24 | abrotman | linduxed1: or just cut the cable :) |
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| 13:55.51 | Saj | hi to all, i have rfid reader connected to system by serial connection ..how to check the reader is supported by installed OS |
| 13:56.07 | abrotman | usb or serial? |
| 13:56.14 | Saj | abrotman, serial |
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| 14:02.36 | Hobbes` | Saj you'll need to use some program to read from the serial port |
| 14:02.56 | Hobbes` | there won't be any special driverr |
| 14:03.07 | abrotman | minicom, kermit, screen .. just a few |
| 14:03.19 | beardy | screen..? |
| 14:03.35 | Saj | Hobbes`, thanks. but i tried with rfdump but it is not showing output |
| 14:03.43 | abrotman | justin keeps bragging that screen can do serial communications :) |
| 14:03.54 | joltcan | screen <3 |
| 14:04.04 | beardy | Come forth justin and confirm this if you dare! |
| 14:04.34 | lsd | a foul rumour! |
| 14:04.39 | Ambush | screen makes me breakfast in the morning |
| 14:04.42 | Saj | abrotman, joltcan screen command how to use for getting serial readers data |
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| 14:05.48 | Hobbes` | looks like screen can do that |
| 14:06.02 | joltcan | Saj: screen /dev/foo |
| 14:06.08 | joltcan | Saj: screen /dev/foo 9600 or whatever |
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| 14:08.03 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know any programs that could parallel download a list of url's? |
| 14:08.22 | Maulkin | wget? |
| 14:08.23 | petemc | you can pass wget a list of urls |
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| 14:08.33 | JyZyXEL | i said parallel not serial |
| 14:08.41 | petemc | run wget more than once |
| 14:08.46 | jelly | ... |
| 14:08.47 | JyZyXEL | don't even start |
| 14:09.15 | cantido | JyZyXEL: you shouldnt do lots of parallel downloads from the same server though ;) |
| 14:09.45 | JyZyXEL | who said anything about same server |
| 14:09.49 | abrotman | i told him that hours ago .. apparently it's too hard to figure out |
| 14:10.00 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: told me? |
| 14:10.11 | cantido | JyZyXEL: ok then, just use parallel wgets |
| 14:10.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:10.19 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.19 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.20 | jelly | JyZyXEL: while not what you ask for, lftp has background downloads and parallel downloads of the same file (in pieces); might be worth looking at its other features |
| 14:10.31 | JyZyXEL | well it just so happends i just spend the few hours trying to make that happen |
| 14:10.32 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: while read i; wget $i &; done < list-file.txt |
| 14:10.46 | JyZyXEL | and its not happening very easily |
| 14:11.01 | lsd | i've written a shell script for parallelising batch jobs, if you want it |
| 14:11.08 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 14:11.13 | lsd | let me find it |
| 14:11.16 | abrotman | or he could read the man page .. |
| 14:11.23 | lsd | but. you should learn how it works before you can use it |
| 14:11.24 | themill | or he could do what valdyn just said |
| 14:11.25 | Maulkin | suggests reading the man page. |
| 14:11.33 | Maulkin | Or follow valdyn |
| 14:11.41 | JyZyXEL | the catch was that the server gives filenames that i can't use |
| 14:11.44 | lsd | knowledge is power etc :) |
| 14:11.53 | lsd | see the -O option |
| 14:12.01 | JyZyXEL | yes but you can't use -O with -i |
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| 14:12.45 | lsd | you won't be using the -i option if you're parallelising jobs with a loop |
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| 14:13.22 | JyZyXEL | the script i got used multiple wgets with -i |
| 14:13.37 | JyZyXEL | each wget had 10 url's and those were in parallel |
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| 14:13.50 | lsd | i guess you have to change that :) |
| 14:14.01 | JyZyXEL | yea well i don't have the skills for that |
| 14:14.13 | JyZyXEL | so i need something else |
| 14:14.45 | jelly | JyZyXEL: in those few hours you spent, would the downloads have finished even if they were serialized? |
| 14:14.59 | JyZyXEL | jelly: oh no way |
| 14:15.23 | themill | wtf are you downloading then... |
| 14:15.30 | JyZyXEL | we are talking about thousands of 50 MB files |
| 14:15.47 | JyZyXEL | each connection gets 100 kB/s of bandwidth |
| 14:15.55 | JyZyXEL | you can have 10 connections |
| 14:15.59 | abrotman | does it have to be CLI ? |
| 14:15.59 | chomwitt | i send a message to majordomo to see the list i'm subscribed to but for a day i have no reply. |
| 14:16.05 | justin | JyZyXEL: xargs+wget |
| 14:16.05 | valdyn | the way how you *compiled* that list would tell us how you should already have downloaded the files |
| 14:16.06 | JyZyXEL | so its 10 times faster in parallel |
| 14:16.14 | chomwitt | list->email lists |
| 14:16.32 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: well i guess not |
| 14:16.40 | petemc | chomwitt: do you run the majordomo? |
| 14:16.41 | themill | kget can do it |
| 14:16.57 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: gwget is one .. there's another i can't recall |
| 14:17.09 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: apt-cache search download manager |
| 14:17.11 | jelly | JyZyXEL: GNU xargs has an option for parallelism |
| 14:17.18 | chomwitt | petemc: no! |
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| 14:17.31 | abrotman | d4x i think |
| 14:17.41 | abrotman | !tell JyZyXEL about search |
| 14:17.42 | lsd | jelly, that's cool! |
| 14:17.49 | JyZyXEL | jelly: ill try google about xargs+wget+parallel |
| 14:17.49 | jelly | chomwitt: do you have access to the mail logs on the majordomo machine? |
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| 14:17.52 | petemc | chomwitt: then other than checking the mail was delivered, there isnt much you can do |
| 14:17.53 | chomwitt | petemc: i want to find to which email list i subscribed to in the past. |
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| 14:18.01 | jelly | JyZyXEL: don't google, rtfm |
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| 14:19.06 | lsd | ah, xargs -P -n, nice |
| 14:19.06 | JyZyXEL | oh.. yeaaa i bet thats gonna be a real big help! |
| 14:19.06 | jelly | JyZyXEL: ... well, there's a good chance someone has written something about it, but you have all the bits necessary for implementation |
| 14:19.06 | valdyn | wish i knew what the actual problem might be after all these hints |
| 14:19.06 | linduxed1 | abrotman: ive got a 500MB RAM computer that installing on, how much swap? |
| 14:19.06 | valdyn | linduxed1: 1G if you can afford that |
| 14:19.06 | linduxed1 | abrotman: sorry that was to everyone |
| 14:19.06 | joltcan | linduxed1: as much or double |
| 14:19.08 | abrotman | linduxed1: depends how much HDD and what hte machine will be doing |
| 14:19.19 | linduxed1 | 60GB |
| 14:19.23 | abrotman | 1Gb i'd say |
| 14:19.39 | abrotman | valdyn: do you really want to know what the problem is? |
| 14:19.57 | JyZyXEL | jelly: just have to hope someone has written about it cause i don't have any clue how to make it myself |
| 14:19.59 | themill | JyZyXEL: looks like lsd managed to read the xargs man page in the time we were talking to find the appropriate options... |
| 14:20.11 | valdyn | abrotman: no, im trying to tell him that if we dont know the precise problem he is hiding from us then he cant get help |
| 14:20.17 | themill | JyZyXEL: learn! /msg dpkg bash ; follow the links there |
| 14:20.29 | ranix | !xyproblem |
| 14:20.29 | dpkg | i heard xyproblem is people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem |
| 14:20.33 | abrotman | valdyn: he doesn't read .. problem solved |
| 14:20.35 | chomwitt | petemc: should i report it as a bug? i followed the instructions here: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ |
| 14:20.41 | jelly | JyZyXEL: dunno, if you know about how xargs works in general, you shouldn't have much problems |
| 14:21.07 | JyZyXEL | http://blog.nuclearsquid.com/writings/parallel-command-execution |
| 14:21.13 | JyZyXEL | see google wins |
| 14:21.20 | petemc | chomwitt: try resending the mail |
| 14:21.23 | JyZyXEL | this is way better than man xargs |
| 14:21.30 | chomwitt | petemc: ok |
| 14:22.19 | valdyn | when was the command line length limit removed again? |
| 14:22.26 | Saj | joltcan, Hobbes` ..i am getting error for rfdump (rfdump:5438): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() |
| 14:22.33 | lsd | JyZyXEL, you're eschewing understanding for spoonfed examples |
| 14:22.39 | lsd | not exactly the best way to learn :) |
| 14:23.01 | Saj | joltcan, Hobbes` could not read page 00 |
| 14:23.01 | Saj | could not read all pages |
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| 14:23.36 | JyZyXEL | lsd: im dyslexic, my learning methods have always been fucked up |
| 14:23.53 | chomwitt | petemc: ok . it worked now! thanks |
| 14:23.56 | petemc | np |
| 14:24.30 | themill | fsvo "learning" |
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| 14:26.35 | JyZyXEL | !fsvo |
| 14:26.36 | dpkg | hmm... fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
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| 14:27.00 | adb | catsu |
| 14:27.02 | adb | root |
| 14:27.37 | JyZyXEL | su |
| 14:27.39 | JyZyXEL | qwerty01 |
| 14:27.42 | JyZyXEL | ohhh shiii |
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| 14:27.58 | lsd | msg nickserv identify joshua |
| 14:27.59 | jelly | disbelieves the password |
| 14:28.01 | lsd | :) |
| 14:28.10 | jelly | lsd: hunter2 |
| 14:28.24 | lsd | WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME? |
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| 14:28.36 | jelly | no, the only way to win is not to play at all |
| 14:28.44 | MikeSeth | use apg(1) |
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| 14:30.35 | ranix | !global thermonuclear war |
| 14:30.35 | dpkg | how about a nice game of chess? |
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| 14:31.04 | lsd | heee |
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| 14:31.53 | melkor | I have an external hard drive and it seems to disconnect after some time. As in I get an Input/Output error when I try to access it. Re-mounting it makes the drive available again. How can I fix this so the drive is available? |
| 14:32.29 | valdyn | melkor: get hardware that is not broken |
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| 14:32.48 | melkor | valdyn: I doubt its broken. |
| 14:33.00 | valdyn | melkor: I dont ) |
| 14:33.04 | bigtone | melkor: I concur with valdyn. It's probably dodgy hardware or cable, or power supply. I have the same |
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| 14:33.13 | lsd | melkor, try watching syslog when it happens? |
| 14:33.17 | lsd | or dmesg |
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| 14:33.52 | valdyn | melkor: in fact it could be your usb that is broken too |
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| 14:34.04 | valdyn | melkor: i dont think you can do much about it |
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| 14:35.11 | melkor | well its a new external hard drive, so if its broken maybe I can replace it. |
| 14:35.30 | lsd | external USB enclosures frequently have dodgy power cables / joins |
| 14:36.02 | Duzchip | Hi, i just installed debian 5.0 on a stationary Dell machine. everything works fine except one thing. the screen :-) i can see everything during the install and whenever i am in console-mode. when i try to use X the screen just says "No signal". The computer doesn't have any vga-connections so i'm using an dvi->vga adapter. |
| 14:36.09 | lsd | if it dips for a split second the OS can lose it and you need to remount |
| 14:36.39 | melkor | lsd so maybe I should put a cron job that remounts it? |
| 14:36.40 | Duzchip | Anyone know how i can get the screen working in X please? my xorg.conf is empty so i cant very well have a look there, i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg without any positiv results |
| 14:36.40 | abrotman | Duzchip: any hints in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 14:36.49 | lsd | melkor, nonono |
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| 14:37.07 | lsd | melkor, if you're in the middle of a write, and it happens, you're going to lose data. you want to look at fixing it properly |
| 14:37.20 | lsd | but you can monitor dmesg/syslog at least to see what the kernel reports |
| 14:37.28 | Duzchip | abrotman: not really |
| 14:37.32 | melkor | that is true, I've got some dmesg errors |
| 14:37.43 | Duzchip | abrotman: X seems to start fine, its just that the screen doesn't get the input anymore |
| 14:38.04 | Duzchip | abrotman: what packages do i have to install to get xorgconfig and xorgcfg? |
| 14:38.11 | Duzchip | or those aren't used in debbie? :) |
| 14:39.26 | Duzchip | abrotman: AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch |
| 14:39.35 | Duzchip | abrotman: got anything to do with that? |
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| 14:41.15 | melkor | lsd: Ive read that some usb disks go to sleep after 15minuts of inactivity.. |
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| 14:41.48 | abrotman | Duzchip: what is oyur video card? what's in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 14:42.21 | darkbulb | I am having a problem with password recovery via the /bin/sh method. when I type passwd and enter a new password I get a authentication token lock busy message |
| 14:42.34 | darkbulb | how do I seize |
| 14:42.46 | Duzchip | abrotman: the /etc/X11/xorg.conf is completely empty |
| 14:42.56 | bigtone | melkor: re cron job to remount: bad bad. If you lose connectivity, you run the risk of corruption. Fix the problem, rather than trying to fix it like this |
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| 14:43.08 | bigtone | melkor: oh, what lsd said |
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| 14:44.34 | melkor | bigtone: Sure it appears with this disk it is a common problem where it goes to sleep after 15minutes of inactivity. |
| 14:45.34 | bigtone | melkor: spinning down (idle), I can understand. Disconnecting? Not by design - something's broken |
| 14:46.06 | bigtone | melkor: try plugging it in to the rear USB ports. I've heard that the front ones can be a bit dodgier, as they have internal cable runs |
| 14:46.34 | bigtone | melkor: your timeout issue should be easy to prove - do it three times, noting in syslog when the device was noticed, and when it disconnected |
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| 14:48.09 | melkor | Okay I dont' know where to look in the syslog |
| 14:48.17 | melkor | I've got the dmesg errors |
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| 14:48.32 | ranix | melkor: tail /var/log/syslog |
| 14:48.35 | Martin_vW | Hello. We're using Debian as the basis of our commercial portal server, and we're using apt to distribute updates for our software. There's the following problem: there are some packages like htop, durep, tcpdump, ... that we like to have installed on all servers, but that are not necessary for our software to work. We could add these packages as Recommends or Suggests to our packages, but this would mean that new packages that are added to the Recommend |
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| 14:49.18 | abrotman | Martin_vW: create a metapackage that you distribute that depends on the other packages |
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| 14:49.20 | MikeSeth | Martin_vW: make a dummy package with dependencies and dep all your stuff on that package |
| 14:49.25 | abrotman | Martin_vW: or make a task |
| 14:49.25 | MikeSeth | abrotman: ^5 |
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| 14:49.48 | abrotman | !tell Martin_vW about metapackage |
| 14:49.50 | abrotman | !tell Martin_vW about tasksel |
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| 14:49.58 | melkor | ranix its not there. |
| 14:50.00 | drwahl | how does one go about installing 32bit libs in debian sid? it looks like the package ia32-libs is no longer in sid, and i don't see ia32-apt-get either |
| 14:50.25 | ranix | melkor: you have no /var/log/syslog? |
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| 14:50.59 | themill | judd versions ia32-libs --arch amd64 |
| 14:51.00 | judd | themill: ia32-libs -- etch: 1.19 lenny: 2.7 sid: 20090808 squeeze: 20090808 |
| 14:51.04 | Martin_vW | A metapackage is an improvement, but would still cause all other optional packages not to be installed when a single one fails. I never heard about tasks yet, will look into that now. |
| 14:51.04 | stew | drwahl: you want ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk |
| 14:51.07 | ranix | melkor: cat /proc/version? |
| 14:51.12 | snewp | hi, can anyone tell me where can i enable ipv6 in webmin ? |
| 14:51.20 | ranix | !webmin |
| 14:51.20 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 14:51.20 | drwahl | stew: ok, but those aren't in sid's repo right now |
| 14:51.24 | ranix | STOP USING WEBMIN |
| 14:51.27 | melkor | ranix: I checked the syslog.conf, I think it is /var/log/messages |
| 14:51.29 | stew | drwahl: yes, they are |
| 14:51.33 | MikeSeth | pets ranix |
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| 14:51.52 | raz_mini | hi |
| 14:52.06 | ranix | weird melkor, but hey you found it so rock on |
| 14:52.13 | drwahl | stew: hmm... maybe i need to change my repo |
| 14:52.26 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:52.29 | Fox_1_ | people how to be identified in infobot |
| 14:52.30 | Fox_1_ | ? |
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| 14:52.45 | raz_mini | is there a kernel source package containing the build data? i'm trying to build the vmware modules for a vanilla install but it misses version.h in /usr/src/linux/include :\ |
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| 14:53.30 | drwahl | stew: what repo are you using? ftp.us.debian.org doesn't seem to find that package (unless i'm retarded...) |
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| 14:54.13 | lsd | raz_mini, you need linux-libc-dev, linux-headers-2.6.xx, linux-headers-2.6.xx-common |
| 14:54.13 | stew | drwahl: i'm using ftp.us.debian.org, that output i sent was directly from ftp-master.debian.org |
| 14:54.14 | PointMan | how do I give a user access to use crontab? |
| 14:54.49 | lsd | PointMan, each user has their own crontab. see crontab -e |
| 14:55.06 | PointMan | crontab -e: -bash: /usr/bin/crontab: Permission denied |
| 14:55.08 | ranix | ctpmtan -u user |
| 14:55.14 | drwahl | stew: ok. apt-cache search ia32-libs returns nothing for me using that same repo. any ideas why i can't find that package? |
| 14:55.20 | ranix | ugh that was an aj plau |
| 14:55.20 | raz_mini | lsd: ah, thx installing |
| 14:55.28 | stew | drwahl: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 14:55.36 | ranix | PointMan: crontab -u user, which you'd see if you ran a "man crontab" |
| 14:55.49 | PointMan | ranix: gotcha ;-) |
| 14:55.51 | lsd | PointMan, it should be a suid binary |
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| 14:56.24 | ranix | permissions on /usr/bin/crontab might be fubar PointMan |
| 14:56.31 | drwahl | stew: http://pastebin.com/m6bb43dab |
| 14:56.37 | ranix | sysadmin of that system might disallow user cron jobs |
| 14:56.39 | PointMan | ranix: 32 -rws--x--- 1 root cron 29584 Jul 10 |
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| 14:56.57 | ranix | PointMan: you must not be in the cron group |
| 14:56.57 | lsd | yeah seems like it |
| 14:56.58 | PointMan | ranix: thats on /ust/bin/crontab |
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| 14:57.11 | lsd | clever sysadmin :) |
| 14:57.18 | ranix | yup ;) |
| 14:57.24 | raz_mini | lsd: urgh. and how do i get the gcc version that was my kernel built with? there doesnt seem to be a gcc-4.1.3 package |
| 14:57.40 | lsd | apt-get install gcc-4.1 should do it |
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| 14:57.52 | lsd | has it here on lenny |
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| 14:58.24 | JyZyXEL | xargs -P4 -t -n1 wget -c -O $n <<< urls.txt |
| 14:58.28 | raz_mini | ah okay i think that worked |
| 14:58.28 | raz_mini | nice |
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| 14:58.33 | JyZyXEL | now i just wonder how to have the $n incremented for each wget |
| 14:58.39 | lsd | JyZyXEL wins the prize! |
| 14:58.48 | silidan1 | hi, in my gnome-terminal the characters do overlap or have too much distance between them, how can i fix this? |
| 14:59.06 | MikeSeth | JyZyXEL: for i in `seq 1 10` ; do ... %i ... ; done |
| 14:59.20 | MikeSeth | err |
| 14:59.21 | MikeSeth | $i |
| 14:59.27 | jerome | silidan1: choose another font |
| 14:59.34 | themill | JyZyXEL: man wget and look at the clobber options |
| 14:59.34 | jerome | silidan1: a fixed width one |
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| 14:59.40 | stew | drwahl: hrm |
| 14:59.53 | stew | drwahl: you are definately on amd64? (dpkg-architecture would tell you) |
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| 15:00.08 | MikeSeth | JyZyXEL: or you could for i in `xargs<urls.txt` ; do wget $i ... ; done |
| 15:00.23 | drwahl | stew: arg... i was in the wrong terminal :-/ |
| 15:00.25 | silidan1 | jerome: can you recomment a font? |
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| 15:00.47 | Martin_vW | Hmm... if we update the tasksel desc file, would it install the new packages that we added to the list? |
| 15:00.58 | drwahl | stew: ya, i'm on an i386 install, that is probablby why i dont see it. well, thanks for the assistance :) |
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| 15:01.35 | JyZyXEL | god damnit ill just make wget.sh that does the incrementation before the actual wget command |
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| 15:03.38 | silidan1 | o i also noticed that none of the changes i make to the fonts affect the text typed in gnome-terminal, .... where is the setting fo rthat? |
| 15:03.39 | JyZyXEL | n=$(($n + 1)); wget -c -O $n $1 |
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| 15:04.14 | JyZyXEL | now i can call wget.sh with xargs |
| 15:04.17 | melkor | I get a bunch of io errors on the drive even when it appears to be working ok. |
| 15:04.22 | lsd | n=$[$n+1] |
| 15:04.38 | lsd | melkor, got any other machines to try the drive on? |
| 15:05.16 | JyZyXEL | well |
| 15:05.21 | JyZyXEL | they all got save to file 1 |
| 15:05.26 | bogdomania | anyone knows any way to unlock a cell phone.. sony ericsson k800i ???? |
| 15:05.39 | themill | JyZyXEL: man wget and look at the clobber options |
| 15:05.48 | Faithful | What is run level S ? |
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| 15:06.13 | melkor | lsd: they're all windows |
| 15:06.49 | JyZyXEL | ohh yea i could do that |
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| 15:08.29 | lsd | melkor, it allows you to confirm or rule out whether it's the USB HDD itself |
| 15:08.33 | melkor | Okay so I want to unmount this drive, but other people might be using it. |
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| 15:08.37 | lsd | doh |
| 15:08.42 | silidan1 | ok, i managed to change the font in my gnome-terminal, but still the overlapping of characters occurs |
| 15:09.22 | melkor | Isn't there a command that lets me check to see if people are reading/writing to it? |
| 15:09.43 | Martin_vW | OK, we have decided on a metapackage. Is it possible to create the package both for "all" architecture and "arm" architecture, so that all archs except arm get the first package, while arm uses the second? That's necessary because arm doesn't have a memtest86+ package, but I don't want to create a single metapackage for each arch we support. |
| 15:09.50 | lsd | melkor, fuser /mnt/point/ |
| 15:09.51 | beardy | !wiui melkor |
| 15:09.51 | dpkg | melkor: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 15:09.54 | Martin_vW | melkor: lsof could help |
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| 15:10.29 | Martin_vW | melkor: usually it's just a shell that is still cd'd to the mounted directory. Just check through all your shells and cd somewhere else, then umount. |
| 15:11.18 | themill | Martin_vW: you can define exceptions for one or more arch. See http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
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| 15:12.36 | albech | where is this coming from? 'can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct' |
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| 15:12.55 | darwish | Jidgdo amd64 CDs link is broken: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc2/amd64/jigdo-cd/ |
| 15:13.03 | darwish | contacts to update? |
| 15:13.04 | JyZyXEL | themill: it didn't work with continue |
| 15:13.14 | themill | dpkg: tell JyZyXEL about didn't work |
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| 15:13.30 | lsd | albech, are you in the middle of a dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:13.44 | JyZyXEL | File `file' already there; not retrieving. |
| 15:13.46 | stew | darwish: http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd |
| 15:13.52 | themill | JyZyXEL: I never mentioned anything about "continue" anyway. |
| 15:14.03 | stew | darwish: but wait |
| 15:14.03 | albech | lsd: no its a debootstrap onto a domU |
| 15:14.09 | stew | darwish: where did you see a link to that? |
| 15:14.10 | maddash | WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS, DEBIAN? WTF? I compile a new vanilla kernel with make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image and no initrd is created? wtf kind of bug is this? |
| 15:14.14 | JyZyXEL | themill: well i did |
| 15:14.20 | albech | lsd: guess the install script missed something ;) |
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| 15:14.29 | themill | JyZyXEL: so why tell me about it? |
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| 15:14.47 | stew | maddash: you installed the resulting .deb? |
| 15:14.55 | maddash | stew: YES |
| 15:15.15 | stew | maddash: yeah, you have to edit either /etc/kernel-pkg.conf iirc |
| 15:15.16 | sHyLoCk_ | maddash: mkinitramfs |
| 15:15.21 | maddash | stew: it's been filed as a goddamn bug, ffs, and categorized as **wishlist** WTF??! |
| 15:15.24 | maddash | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=523735 |
| 15:15.36 | stew | maddash: its intentional |
| 15:15.37 | lsd | maddash, i have suffered that problem BIGTIME |
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| 15:15.49 | stew | maddash: you should probably calm down a bit |
| 15:15.55 | lsd | maddash, i figured out a work-around but i will probably be banned here for telling it :) |
| 15:15.56 | maddash | now everytime I install a new kernel, I have to manually "update-initramfs -c -k [kernel version]" |
| 15:15.58 | krzysz00 | hey guys, i'm trying to port a package to another platform but i need to bump the version number up but i can't get the old tarball .. what do i do |
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| 15:16.07 | maddash | lsd: ^^ that's the workaround :'( |
| 15:16.16 | darwish | stew, http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 15:16.24 | maddash | stew: i spent TWO WHOLE DAYS on this, thinking that I did something wrong! :''( |
| 15:16.29 | lsd | no, i just worked out how the package maintainers build their kernels for the official repos |
| 15:16.42 | maddash | ok, now I have to find out why this has happened |
| 15:16.53 | stew | at least some of the kernel package maintainers deprecate make-kpkg |
| 15:16.55 | stew | but others don't |
| 15:17.00 | maddash | stew: make-kpkg is deprecated?? |
| 15:17.03 | lsd | make-kpkg isn't worth a shit :( |
| 15:17.06 | maddash | augh |
| 15:17.08 | darwish | stew, it seems it's a known problem from a while: http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2009/07/msg00046.html |
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| 15:17.16 | maddash | what's the debian way of compiling a kernel, then? |
| 15:17.46 | ranix | personally I, uh, run make |
| 15:18.03 | maddash | !kp mantra |
| 15:18.03 | dpkg | kp mantra is probably make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 15:18.09 | maddash | wtf? |
| 15:18.22 | darwish | stew, I'm going to post a mail on debian-cd |
| 15:18.29 | stew | darwish: sounds right |
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| 15:18.32 | darwish | stew, thanks for pointing me to this mailing list |
| 15:18.50 | silidan1 | found a solution for my problem with overlapping characters in gnome-terminal, using font monospace solved it |
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| 15:19.52 | maddash | lsd: that link you gave me, it says nothing about --initrd... |
| 15:19.58 | llillillillill | hi, is this an appropriate place to ask for help? |
| 15:20.03 | sphenxes | I have encrypted a partition on my computer using cryptsetup. My question: if someone hacked my computer (through the internet), can he read the files on the partition and if yes can he upload this files too (newbie)? |
| 15:20.04 | lsd | maddash, it works, trustm e |
| 15:20.05 | lsd | *me |
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| 15:20.09 | maddash | lsd: thanks! |
| 15:20.15 | maddash | lsd: ctrl-D'ed |
| 15:20.22 | the-dude | sphenxes: yes |
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| 15:21.00 | maddash | lsd: why has this change occured to kernel-package in the first place?? |
| 15:21.21 | lsd | maddash, i don't know anything... |
| 15:21.24 | sphenxes | the-dude, thanks |
| 15:21.45 | the-dude | sphenxes: just protects your disk when it get physical stolen |
| 15:21.54 | maddash | this is pathetic... |
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| 15:22.33 | llillillillill | i am trying to install swfmill on xandros. i have come up against trouble with ./config not finding libxml2. so now i am trying to install libxml2-dev, but "sudo apt-get install libxml2-dev" says there are unmet dependencies: "libxml2-dev depends on libxml2, but v2.6.32.dfsg-5 is to be installed". broken packages. thanks very much |
| 15:22.44 | sphenxes | the-dude, ic |
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| 15:30.55 | abrotman | llillillillill: this channel does not support Xandros |
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| 15:33.39 | JAT_ | o |
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| 15:34.31 | maddash | :( manually creating the initrd.img with update-initramfs didn't help -- even though I see the initrd.img entry for the kernel in /boot, I still get a 'Kernel VFS' panic on boot |
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| 15:35.40 | DetroitLibertyPe | why are my resolution settings not saved each time I log out? |
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| 15:36.12 | raz_mini | hmm in what package is the startx utility? |
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| 15:36.21 | raz_mini | or how do i kick off an xsession for my user without running xdm and such |
| 15:36.28 | Deepa_ | raz_mini: apt-file and search for startx |
| 15:36.39 | Deepa_ | Well you could just start the X server |
| 15:36.41 | raz_mini | De_Mon: |
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| 15:36.50 | raz_mini | Deepa_: good call, but i dont have it, yet ;) |
| 15:37.00 | Deepa_ | You do not have a x server? |
| 15:37.02 | abrotman | raz_mini: aptitude install xorg |
| 15:37.07 | raz_mini | xorg is installed |
| 15:37.10 | raz_mini | but i have no startx |
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| 15:37.14 | raz_mini | can you make a dpkg -s startx for me? |
| 15:37.17 | Deepa_ | You don't need startx to start x |
| 15:37.17 | abrotman | then you didn't install 'xorg' |
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| 15:37.31 | Deepa_ | and get apt-file and search for startx for yourself :p |
| 15:37.40 | raz_mini | oh you are right |
| 15:37.46 | abrotman | win me! |
| 15:37.51 | raz_mini | man these x packages are quite a forest ;) |
| 15:37.59 | gravity | no kidding |
| 15:38.41 | Deepa_ | Isn't xorg a meta package for xserver-xorg? |
| 15:38.51 | abrotman | Deepa_: apt-cache show xorg |
| 15:39.10 | Deepa_ | I do not have a Debian machine |
| 15:39.20 | gravity | Deepa_: Yes |
| 15:39.28 | abrotman | Deepa_: it installs more than just that .. but that is one of the packages it installs |
| 15:39.32 | gravity | Well, sorta |
| 15:39.32 | abrotman | !depends xorg lenny |
| 15:39.43 | gravity | It pulls in the X server, X libs, X drivers, and xterm |
| 15:39.47 | Deepa_ | I'm at 5% of the installation |
| 15:39.56 | gravity | And various server-related apps like startx and xauth |
| 15:39.57 | Deepa_ | Retrieving file 1 of 3 |
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| 15:40.26 | Deepa_ | Isn't it just easier to install xserver-xorg and x11-xserver-utils and perhaps x11-utils/apps? |
| 15:40.40 | dpkg | xorg: depends on xserver-xorg, libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglu1-mesa, xfonts-base (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-100dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-75dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-scalable (>= 1:1.0.0-1), x11-apps, x11-session-utils, x11-utils, x11-xfs-utils, x11-xkb-utils, x11-xserver-utils, xauth, xinit, xfonts-utils, xkb-data, xterm | x-terminal-emulator |
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| 15:41.06 | gravity | Deepa_: No, it's not easier. It's actually problematic. |
| 15:41.09 | Padhux | Padhu_1 |
| 15:41.09 | gravity | Oh yeah, the fonts as well |
| 15:41.19 | Deepa_ | Problematic? in what way? |
| 15:41.34 | abrotman | Deepa_: in that we'll keep yelling at you to install the xorg package |
| 15:41.39 | gravity | Deepa_: xorg makes sure everything is in place. Doing it all by hand is possible, but completely and utterly stupid. It's a complex system. |
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| 15:41.49 | gravity | There's a reason the xorg package is there |
| 15:42.27 | gravity | Deepa_: And you gain nothing by not installing xorg and doing it by hand. |
| 15:42.32 | Deepa_ | saves space! |
| 15:42.39 | gravity | Deepa_: Oh yeah. 50k |
| 15:42.40 | gravity | Maybe |
| 15:42.51 | abrotman | Deepa_: you'll need that stuff eventually .. save yourself the hassle |
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| 15:43.19 | Deepa_ | I usually just installed the server the fonts and utils/apps. never needed anything more than that |
| 15:43.32 | gravity | xorg will do that for you |
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| 15:43.44 | Pnux | hey, quick question.. can i do an hd check (the one thats done every X mounts or every X days) with Debian fully started? If so, how? |
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| 15:44.03 | azeem_ | Pnux: not on a file system which is mounted |
| 15:44.28 | Pnux | azeem_: i thought so.. thanks for the answer |
| 15:44.53 | azeem_ | if it is urgent, you can try to go into single user mode and remount the file system read-only |
| 15:44.56 | abrotman | tried to outsmart gravity once .. and failed |
| 15:45.05 | azeem_ | abrotman: it's the law |
| 15:45.52 | Pnux | azeem_: no need, its gonna do it on its own on next boot, i just didnt want to have to wait the 10 minutes it takes the next time i reboot, but thats not really a big issue |
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| 15:46.29 | azeem_ | eh |
| 15:46.49 | zeroConfDev | hey guys - ever have occasions where things just deny their existance in apt-get ? |
| 15:47.20 | stew | zeroConfDev: maybe? how about you tell us about your problem and we work on that? |
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| 15:47.42 | maddash | whooooooo, it worked! uname -a Linux nfkb 2.6.30.5 #2 Wed Aug 19 11:37:32 EDT 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:48.05 | maddash | living on squeeze is so exhilirating! |
| 15:48.07 | zeroConfDev | stew - apt-get install ipmasq <--- tells me ipmasq does not exist... |
| 15:48.25 | stew | judd: versions ipmasq |
| 15:48.26 | judd | stew: ipmasq -- etch: 4.0.8-2 lenny: 4.0.8-7 sid: 4.0.8-7 |
| 15:48.39 | stew | zeroConfDev: looks like it was removed from testing. are you on testing aka squeeze? |
| 15:48.59 | zeroConfDev | no on regular lenny |
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| 15:49.56 | stew | zeroConfDev: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:50.16 | zeroConfDev | other then ipmasq and pppoeconf - what else will i need to install for running debian as my router ? |
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| 15:50.53 | Padhu | zeroConfDev: YOu mean proxy server |
| 15:51.06 | stew | i doubt he means proxy server |
| 15:51.25 | Martin_vW | when packaging, is it possible to build several binary packages with the same name, but with different archs and dependencies? |
| 15:51.54 | Martin_vW | I'm getting "dh_testdir: debian/control has a duplicate entry" but I hope I'm just doing something wrong and this is doable |
| 15:51.54 | Padhu | squid is the answer. Configuration may be transperant proxy |
| 15:52.04 | _empty | Anybody know if its possible to control the fanspeed on a nc10 samsung running debian? |
| 15:52.10 | zeroConfDev | padhu - no i mean, i have a adsl modem / router - and i have set it to bridge mode, so that when i use pppoe to create the connection, the IP is on the device making the pppoe connection, instead of being on a crappie modem/router that does not support the natp protocle i want to use... |
| 15:52.35 | Dassu | Aargh |
| 15:52.44 | Dassu | Anybody here familiar with Matrox display drivers ? |
| 15:52.53 | zeroConfDev | padhu - thus i have less *nat* happening and a lot more controll over the gateway / firewall... |
| 15:52.59 | Dassu | 4.3.0 6.7.0 6.8.0 6.8.1 6.8.2 6.9.0 7.0.0 |
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| 15:53.11 | zeroConfDev | anything else you think i need to install stew ? |
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| 15:53.43 | Dassu | Contex of the source package. Those are suppose to be versions of ... Xorg. However X -version reports soemthing like 1.4.2 ...which confuses me. Release date: 2008 soemthing. That driver src is from 2006 |
| 15:53.56 | stew | zeroConfDev: no. wondershaper might be nice |
| 15:54.01 | Dassu | I'm kinda confused which one of them is matching |
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| 15:54.57 | jelly | Dassu: use the driver from Xorg? |
| 15:55.14 | zeroConfDev | goes to look into wondershaper :-) thanks stew |
| 15:55.25 | gravity | Dassu: Why aren't you using the provided driver? |
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| 15:56.21 | zeroConfDev | its like prioritizing... |
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| 15:56.37 | jelly | Dassu: look at the version of xserver-xorg package... it'll be something like 7.2 to 7.4 (when you ignore the epoch and debian revision numbers) |
| 15:56.58 | Padhu | zeroConfDev: IPFORWARDING and configuring ehternet as router is the solution |
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| 15:57.28 | zeroConfDev | i guess its really QoS.... |
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| 15:57.54 | gravity | The 7.x number on the xserver-xorg package are the katamari (Big Ball 'o Xorg) release version. The 1.4 version from X -version is the server version. The drivers are released on their own schedules and have their own versions. ABI is all that matters, and our packaging handles that for you |
| 15:58.25 | gravity | This is why you don't want to manage this stuff yourself. It's a complex system. |
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| 16:00.43 | melkor | My hardrive problem is fixed in kernel 2.6.24-rc4 ... |
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| 16:02.13 | melkor | which is especially nice since I am using kernel 2.6.20 |
| 16:02.32 | wizL | cool. |
| 16:02.42 | jelly | melkor: which debian release are you using? |
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| 16:03.52 | melkor | jelly I'm not at liberty to say, though If I get my way we'll setup a version of lenny |
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| 16:04.38 | NiLon | damn government agents |
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| 16:04.42 | jelly | ah, the famous NotDebianAtAll |
| 16:04.45 | NiLon | can't even say version of os :p |
| 16:04.53 | jelly | Probably |
| 16:05.04 | melkor | Its an old version of fedora |
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| 16:05.24 | melkor | I just use debian on my personal computers, so its easier to ask in here |
| 16:05.26 | jelly | looks around for the channel name |
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| 16:05.43 | silidan1 | somone here that knows qastrocam ?? |
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| 16:06.08 | jelly | melkor: it would be better to discontinue that practice, because people here assume a debian system and work upon that |
| 16:06.10 | Deepa_ | jelly: I don't even use Debian, what do I win? |
| 16:06.40 | Deepa_ | Or rather, I don't even use Linux |
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| 16:07.01 | Dassu | jelly: gravity: Current Mga drivers don't work with s2ram |
| 16:07.27 | jelly | "don't do that, then" |
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| 16:07.59 | melkor | This could be the kicker though, because all of the fixes for this hard drive require newer kernel then we have. |
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| 16:08.24 | Dassu | jelly: ... |
| 16:08.35 | Dassu | jesus christ. I'm pissed now |
| 16:08.43 | jelly | basing a production system on a free os that loses support every 12 months is a silly thing to do in itself, melkor |
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| 16:09.07 | melkor | jelly: I couldn't agree with you more. |
| 16:09.11 | Dassu | oh |
| 16:09.17 | Dassu | you were talking to melk.or nvm then |
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| 16:09.50 | Deepa_ | 12 months is kinda good though |
| 16:09.53 | jelly | Dassu: no, "don't do that, then" was about your situation. Suspend / hibernate in Linux is a hit and miss. |
| 16:09.56 | Deepa_ | Then you know things won't break until in a year |
| 16:09.56 | Martin_vW | can I specify different binary packages for different architectures in debian/control when packaging? |
| 16:10.11 | Dassu | jelly: . |
| 16:10.17 | Dassu | jelly: seriously. S2ram is must |
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| 16:10.44 | Dassu | will not stop until gets it to work |
| 16:11.11 | jelly | Dassu: TuxOnIce worked better when I had old hardware |
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| 16:11.17 | andyhalsall | Hi, where is the best place to get some answers on a debian-sparc issue? I have looked for a relevant bug report etc.. was hoping someone may have some experience with it... |
| 16:11.22 | gravity | Dassu: You can backport the latest driver or all of the X stack, but you're on your own there |
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| 16:11.28 | jelly | Dassu: also, s2disk work more often than s2ram |
| 16:11.35 | jelly | worked* |
| 16:11.40 | gravity | Dassu: The new driver should build against the old server |
| 16:12.16 | gravity | I think |
| 16:12.17 | jelly | Dassu: also2, I assume you already tried switching to text console before doing suspend, and that it didn't work |
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| 16:12.59 | Dassu | jelly: I know but that doesn't work with ACPI wake up for me |
| 16:13.07 | jelly | Dassu: also3, framebuffer drivers make things worse, so they are to be disabled if they're active |
| 16:13.14 | Dassu | jelly: yeah yeah. |
| 16:13.18 | jelly | that |
| 16:13.29 | sebastian00 | hello |
| 16:13.31 | Dassu | jelly: Tried pretty much all the things in SUSE wiki on S2ram (And yes I'm on debian) |
| 16:13.41 | jelly | 's about all the generic advice for suspend/hibernate I remember |
| 16:13.54 | jelly | yeah, suse wiki is upstream for those scripts |
| 16:13.55 | Dassu | jkk |
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| 16:14.39 | jelly | --> #tuxonice is right over there, hope you're not afraid of building own kernels |
| 16:15.17 | Dassu | jelly: as I said. I fancy S2ram |
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| 16:15.47 | Dassu | s2ram is over 10 times faster than tuxOnIce. :-/ |
| 16:15.58 | jelly | prefers having a working solution, no matter the name |
| 16:16.04 | itsosimpo | hi |
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| 16:16.12 | Dassu | It is just that kernel waits CI interface of my Tv Card to over 10seconds |
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| 16:18.08 | shamrock | Can anyone suggest why when I try to access phpmyadmin on my remote debian server it is trying to "autologin" with an illegal pwd and user? |
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| 16:19.40 | melkor | shamrock: the credentials are stored in your browser for a given request. |
| 16:20.06 | shamrock | thats what I thought. But where? I deleted all cookies. and other stuff I could find. firefox btw. |
| 16:20.26 | owner | Is there a way I can re-connect my gnome-terminal to a process previously opened in one that crashed? i was in the middle of a large aptitude install and restarted gdm. now i'd like to continue... |
| 16:20.48 | g00se | Security|Saved passwords |
| 16:21.24 | RichiH | how can i tell lenny to take (back) control over grub's menu.lst? |
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| 16:21.48 | shamrock | the phpmadmin page comes back with "passowrd:no" |
| 16:21.55 | RichiH | also, even a aptitude reinstall nor dpkg-reconfigure grub does not ask me if i want to use grub as the boot loader |
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| 16:22.15 | melkor | shamrock: Is there a local phpadmin config file? |
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| 16:22.37 | shamrock | melkor: thats what I am wondering. But where? (its not saved in security/passwords btw) |
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| 16:23.04 | g00se | shamrock: Try the url with the IP address instead of the name |
| 16:23.11 | shamrock | I tried an encoded url e.g root:pass@server/phpmyadmin but that didnt work. |
| 16:23.17 | shamrock | g00se: its not a saved pwd. |
| 16:23.42 | shamrock | (i tried 1p address btw) |
| 16:23.50 | owner | I need a new gnome-terminal instance connected to a process ran earlier. that should be possible, right? |
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| 16:24.03 | grandpapadot | Hey will this crontab run every 3 hours -> * */3 * * * /some/cmd |
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| 16:24.21 | ebx | Hi |
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| 16:24.30 | ebx | how to make Pulseaudio working on debian sid |
| 16:24.34 | ebx | I hear no sound from totem |
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| 16:25.03 | melkor | shamrock: I suppose you should check in your apache, maybe modules_enabled? |
| 16:25.12 | jelly | grandpapadot: no, it will run on each minute of every third hour |
| 16:25.33 | shamrock | melkor: its a recent occurrense. No idea whats causing it. I guess I can ssh in and run the bwoeer connected to localhost. |
| 16:25.39 | grandpapadot | jelly: how would I format it to run every three hours? 0 */3 ...? |
| 16:25.56 | g00se | shamrock: What do you mean by "didn't work"? |
| 16:25.59 | jelly | grandpapadot: correct (or any other specific minute if you wish) |
| 16:26.06 | grandpapadot | Thanks jelly! :) |
| 16:26.14 | RichiH | kicks grub |
| 16:26.17 | melkor | shamrock: so it worked before but now it doesn't work? |
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| 16:26.37 | shamrock | correct, something funny with saved forms somewhere. |
| 16:26.41 | Dassu | jelly: Btw, there is precompiled TuxOnIce kernel somewhere so no need to compile anything just edit initrd image |
| 16:26.46 | RichiH | jelly: care to read above & share your knowledge? |
| 16:26.48 | shamrock | I cna access my localhost phpmyadmin no probs |
| 16:26.51 | RichiH | i am sure you know the answer :) |
| 16:27.16 | shamrock | hmm and ssh in and localhost does not work either. jesus. |
| 16:27.23 | g00se | shamrock: Try root:pass@server with wget |
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| 16:27.46 | RichiH | shamrock: yes, son? |
| 16:27.47 | shamrock | already tried that format from firefox url |
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| 16:28.14 | rayge | why is it that when I install debian now, the log still says its using /etc/X11/xorg.conf yet the file is empty? |
| 16:28.16 | jelly | RichiH: tried removing menu.lst completely yet? |
| 16:28.23 | jelly | (and running update-grub) |
| 16:28.25 | rayge | how can I get a usable config file to edit? |
| 16:28.35 | themill | dpkg: tell rayge about configure xorg |
| 16:28.42 | g00se | shamrock: The point is - it's *not* firefox |
| 16:28.43 | RichiH | ah, there is an idea |
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| 16:30.04 | RichiH | jelly: running update-grub manually works |
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| 16:30.11 | RichiH | moving menu.lst away does not |
| 16:30.48 | themill | RichiH: /etc/kernel-img.conf defines the call to update-grub |
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| 16:31.29 | rayge | well what I am looking for specifically is disabling the "tap to click" feature on this (--) AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint touchpad found |
| 16:31.44 | rayge | if anyone knows, otherwise I guess I am going to have to google for it |
| 16:32.01 | rayge | its WAAAYYY too sensitive |
| 16:32.10 | rayge | I keep clicking on things unintentionally |
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| 16:34.11 | rayge | I think I got it figured out... just need to setup the config to allow use of gsynaptics |
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| 16:34.22 | g00se | rayge: My laptop has special keys to disable touchpad - maybe yours does? |
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| 16:34.35 | melkor | rayge I though google was first on the list? |
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| 16:35.42 | alinux | hi I get permission denied when uninstalling ffmpeg as root, Iget can not remove ffplay ....adding to that permissions are rwxr-xr-x...I did try chmod 777 but I got chmod: changing permissions of `/usr/bin/ffplay': Operation not permitted |
| 16:35.46 | alinux | any clues ? |
| 16:36.22 | shamrock | g00se: a purge of phpmyadmin on the server and a reinstall did it. go figure! |
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| 16:37.18 | g00se | shamrock: You might have been owned ... |
| 16:37.33 | Horrid | Find out the true statistics on the crimes that negroes commit at Chimp Out Forum! http://chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9680 We are not White Supremacists, rather we are Negro Inferiorists. We welcome all races that aren't Negroid. The criteria for joining Chimpout: Non-negroid and hates niggggras! |
| 16:37.48 | shamrock | doubt it or the Dbs there would have shown that. Think it was some sort of screwup on my part. |
| 16:38.01 | shamrock | but thanks for that comforting thought :-) |
| 16:38.16 | shamrock | (oh and wget worked) |
| 16:38.25 | g00se | shamrock: Even so, make sure security of all components is up to date |
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| 16:39.08 | ebx | Anyone ? |
| 16:39.59 | albech | i just did lvextend on a volume, but the filesystem isnt extended only the partition.. how do i extend the filesystem within the volume? |
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| 16:40.19 | jelly | albech: resize2fs if it's ext3 |
| 16:40.19 | jtgiri | hi guys, I wanted two people to see screen session, i logged in as root and typed screen -S 1 , now how can the other person see that screen session ? |
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| 16:40.38 | jelly | albech: there are specific tools for other filesystems |
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| 16:40.50 | albech | jelly it is ext3 |
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| 16:41.33 | natanael | hello i have just updated my debian and got some new bluetooth stuff, but since this update my bluetooth inputdevices no langer work, how can i now reconfigure this, because there is no more the "hidd"-program |
| 16:41.44 | Deepa_ | jtgiri: man screen |
| 16:41.53 | g00se | jtgiri: i did that with xtightvnc but don't ask me to remember how ;-) |
| 16:42.00 | itsosimpo | hello how do i chroot to mysql to change the root password |
| 16:42.17 | Deepa_ | and hopefully those two people are not root, right? |
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| 16:42.57 | FenrirReturns | I'm using etch on a dell latitude D820. I've succesfully set up another monitor using nvidia-settings, and it used to work great, except now when I configure the other screen I can't get a maximized window to stay on one screen. It always maximizes across both screens. It didn't used to do this. Any ideas? |
| 16:43.17 | lsd | anybody know what's the "proper" way to enforce file permissions when creating a .deb? i want certain files in /etc/ to be mode 600 |
| 16:43.26 | lsd | should i do this in postinst? |
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| 16:44.18 | g00se | itsosimpo: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/recover-mysql-root-password.html |
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| 16:44.31 | FenrirReturns | Additionally the pannels in Gnome expand across both screens, and it didn't used to do that either |
| 16:44.33 | gravity | lsd: That's probably easiest. You can probably also chmod them after they're installed to the debian directory |
| 16:44.34 | lvh | lsd: postinst, yes. |
| 16:44.39 | lsd | thanks guys |
| 16:44.46 | lvh | lsd: you're welcome :-) |
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| 16:45.58 | valdyn | FenrirReturns: you enabled twinview or xinerama |
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| 16:46.44 | valdyn | FenrirReturns: you certainly dont want twinview, you maybe want xinerama, you might want to disable both |
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| 16:47.24 | reeher_ | I have a small internal website configured. I have to allow non-*NIX users the ability to edit files in the /var/www. I currently have the specific files shared from /var via smb with soft links. Is there a reason to NOT share /var/www directly? I can't think of a reason, but something is telling me it is a bad idea. |
| 16:47.54 | julzmb | is backing up with "dd if=/dev/sda | gzip -c -9 > backup.img.gz" a good way? |
| 16:48.05 | valdyn | reeher_: its not a problem unless you allow code to be run from there |
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| 16:48.16 | lsd | julzmb, probably. if you want full image backup, look at clonezilla |
| 16:48.24 | lsd | s/probably/probably not/ |
| 16:48.25 | julzmb | ok |
| 16:48.37 | itsosimpo | hey guis how do i find mysql.sock |
| 16:48.40 | itsosimpo | i tried locate ? $locate *.sock | grep -E '/' |
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| 16:49.15 | valdyn | isaywesay: locate only finds whats was found during the last updatedb |
| 16:49.22 | reeher_ | valdyn: Nope, static stuff all. Well, there are a couple of real simple javascript buttons, basically just links to downloadable batch files. |
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| 16:49.34 | lsd | julzmb, do you have a particular reason for wanting an image backup made? |
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| 16:49.43 | valdyn | reeher_: javascript runs only on the client, thats not an issue for your own box |
| 16:50.24 | reeher_ | valdyn: precisely. beaut, I'm trying to keep this as simple as possible. Thanks much. |
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| 16:50.45 | valdyn | reeher_: just verify that *.php cannot be run |
| 16:50.59 | julzmb | lsd, im testing software and i need a fallback if i screw up my laptop |
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| 16:51.23 | reeher_ | valdyn: Will do. Thanks for the heads up. |
| 16:51.24 | julzmb | so i booted into a ubunut live cd and im dumping the binary to a smb share |
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| 16:51.33 | lsd | julzmb, ok clonezilla is a great solution for that... or use virtual machines? |
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| 16:51.46 | lsd | clonezilla boot .iso |
| 16:51.52 | julzmb | cool |
| 16:51.55 | julzmb | ill check it out |
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| 16:53.05 | itsosimpo | hi i tried to set my sql password using this command: "sudo mysqladmin -u root -h localhost password 'mypassword'" but i got an error "mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed; error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)'; Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' exists!" |
| 16:53.12 | itsosimpo | i can't seem to find mysql.sock anywhere |
| 16:53.31 | itsosimpo | i installed sql using sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client |
| 16:54.08 | g00se | itsosimpo: It's probably not running |
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| 16:54.15 | itsosimpo | oh dur |
| 16:54.28 | lsd | itsosimpo, by default its created in /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock, but it's a unix socket and only valid when mysqld is running |
| 16:54.44 | lsd | (check your /etc/mysql/my.cnf) |
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| 16:55.05 | reeher_ | itsosimpo: nmap localhost and make sure port 3306 is up, and try /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 16:55.34 | reeher_ | itsosimpo: Rather, if 3306 is not there, try /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 16:55.53 | itsosimpo | yeah i tried that but it failed and then i tried to run safe mode |
| 16:55.55 | itsosimpo | su mysql -c "mysqld_safe --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --log-error=/tmp/mysql.log --socket=/tmp/mysql.sock" |
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| 16:56.19 | itsosimpo | didn't return any errors but i still couldn't locate mysql.sock |
| 16:56.31 | lsd | ps ax | grep mysqld |
| 16:56.35 | Titan8990_ | reeher_, mysql.sock is a unix socket, your method is using tcp |
| 16:56.39 | lsd | ah |
| 16:57.06 | itsosimpo | lsd: ps ax | grep mysqld returns this: 12160 pts/3 R+ 0:00 grep mysqld |
| 16:57.17 | Titan8990_ | itsosimpo, should just be: mysql -u root -p |
| 16:57.25 | Titan8990_ | itsosimpo, for unix socket on local machine |
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| 16:57.43 | itsosimpo | nah |
| 16:57.44 | lsd | itsosimpo, smells like it's still not running |
| 16:57.48 | lsd | check /tmp/mysql.log |
| 16:57.49 | itsosimpo | Titan8890: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) |
| 16:58.06 | Lovecraft | Why woul /usr/bin/ffplay be marked as immutable? |
| 16:58.09 | lsd | still trying to reset mysql root password huh |
| 16:58.09 | Nikke | Hewitt:/usr/src/linux# make xconfig |
| 16:58.09 | Nikke | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-1-common/scripts/Makefile.build:44: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-1-common/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 16:58.12 | itsosimpo | i deleted that a while ago |
| 16:58.18 | Nikke | iam following a nvidia build guide but it fails |
| 16:58.35 | Nikke | why is that file missing? |
| 16:58.36 | itsosimpo | no mysql.log |
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| 16:59.35 | lsd | Nikke, does /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-1-common/ exist? |
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| 17:00.11 | Nikke | lsd: yes |
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| 17:00.50 | lsd | Nikke, so you've got the headers packages installed? hm |
| 17:01.25 | Nikke | lsd: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Installthekernelmodule |
| 17:01.29 | Nikke | when i do the m-a command it fails |
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| 17:02.11 | Nikke | but wait |
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| 17:02.17 | Nikke | 0. Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources (consult the sources.list(5) man page for help on doing this) |
| 17:02.29 | Nikke | does that mean the deb-src in /etc/fstab ? |
| 17:02.39 | lsd | you mean /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:02.54 | Nikke | ah lol sorry |
| 17:02.55 | Nikke | im tired |
| 17:02.57 | DetroitLibertyPe | !SSL |
| 17:02.57 | dpkg | secure sockets layer is probably (SSL) This is a protocol specified by Netscape that allows for "secure" passage of data. It uses public key encryption, including digital certificates and digital signatures, to pass data between a browser and a server, or more generally, all sorts of network clients and the respective servers. It is an open standard and most modern browsers support it. |
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| 17:03.27 | Saint-N | man netscape was awesome |
| 17:03.32 | Saint-N | whatever happened to them |
| 17:03.52 | oreo | Saint-N: how is netscape awesome? |
| 17:04.02 | alinux | hi I get permission denied when uninstalling ffmpeg as root, Iget can not remove ffplay ....adding to that permissions are rwxr-xr-x...I did try chmod 777 but I got chmod: changing permissions of `/usr/bin/ffplay': Operation not permitted |
| 17:04.06 | Saint-N | i dunno just felt the need to say that |
| 17:04.11 | oreo | lol |
| 17:04.15 | alinux | filesystem is rw |
| 17:04.18 | Saint-N | they always got a bad rap ;) |
| 17:05.04 | g00se | alinux: sounds like you're not root |
| 17:05.10 | itsosimpo | ps -ef doesn't return mysql.sock |
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| 17:05.21 | zeroConf | hey - i would love to hear from folks what rolls should be given to a debian router... how far do you go with it... should it do the dhcp on your lan ? should it do dns masq ? what about installing snort ? tripwire / aide ? |
| 17:05.43 | oreo | i'm having an issue btw: in fwbuilder i added an openvz interface to the firewall, but since the firewall rules are set up during networking, it complains that it doesn't know any venet0. what do i do? |
| 17:05.49 | lsd | zeroConf, i dunno, we use pfsense *duck* |
| 17:06.11 | Nikke | lsd: any solution? |
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| 17:06.26 | lsd | Nikke, sorry, i haven't built nvidia drivers since erm 2002-ish |
| 17:06.32 | zeroConf | no idea how far you think is right to give to a router though.... |
| 17:06.41 | zeroConf | what jobs do you think belong on a router.... |
| 17:06.51 | lsd | zeroConf, depends completely on your topology / fabric / needs... there's few things you can't do if you want to do them |
| 17:07.07 | lsd | it's a question with no general answer |
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| 17:07.32 | alinux | g00se, whoami returns root |
| 17:07.48 | zeroConf | yea - i realize that, heck, i could do everything on the one machine if i wanted to, but i want to learn a bit more, and be able to play, which i think means seperating out different tasks... while holding my core infrstructure together... |
| 17:08.02 | lsd | heh |
| 17:08.17 | zeroConf | so i guess given that i want the basics to stay stable, maybe dhcp would be fine, yet i wont worrie about anything else... |
| 17:08.34 | lsd | sure |
| 17:08.56 | Titan8990_ | zeroConf, using a VPN server or client on a router is gaining popularity |
| 17:09.05 | Titan8990_ | zeroConf, i run dyndns services on mine |
| 17:09.08 | lsd | we do taht |
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| 17:10.21 | chops1 | So "/etc/init.d/tomcat5.5 start" is failing for me ("Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5invoke-rc.d: initscript tomcat5.5, action "start" failed.")... what's a good way to get more information about why it's failing? |
| 17:10.59 | zeroConf | titan - that would indeed be fun, but putting it on the router... |
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| 17:11.00 | zeroConf | i can always run a seperate machine for the vpnd |
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| 17:11.08 | zeroConf | titan - that would indeed be fun, but putting it on the router... |
| 17:11.09 | zeroConf | i can always run a seperate machine for the vpnd |
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| 17:12.15 | lsd | chops1, check syslog? |
| 17:12.17 | g00se | alinux: any ACLs set? |
| 17:12.43 | alinux | g00se, how to check or disable ACL |
| 17:12.52 | chops1 | lsd: Nothing :-( |
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| 17:13.39 | g00se | alinux: getacl x |
| 17:13.57 | lsd | chops1, nothing relevant in /var/log/ somewhere? |
| 17:14.43 | chops1 | lsd: Unfortunately no. What I've managed to get by setting up my environment from a mangled copy of /etc/init.d/tomcat55 and running java by hand was "The java-gcj-compat-dev environment currently doesn't support a security manager. Please check the TOMCAT5_SECURITY variable in /etc/default/tomcat5.5.". |
| 17:14.58 | chops1 | lsd: So it sounds like I'm running gcj instead of Sun's java, which is often a recipe for disaster in my experience... |
| 17:15.24 | Titan8990 | choc, update-java-alternatives |
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| 17:15.27 | ebx | Hi |
| 17:15.30 | Titan8990 | ^ chops1 |
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| 17:16.36 | chops1 | Titan8990: Even better: sudo aptitude remove `dpkg -l | grep gcj | awk '{print $2;}'` :-) |
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| 17:19.52 | Titan8990 | chops1, how is that better? |
| 17:20.02 | Titan8990 | chops1, man update-java-alternatives |
| 17:20.29 | chops1 | Titan8990: I've had problems in the past with update-java-alternatives (certain packages manually scanning for various JVMs instead of going via alternatives) |
| 17:20.45 | chops1 | Titan8990: I've no interest in having multiple JVMs installed ATM |
| 17:21.06 | lsd | knows zip about tomcat, good luck |
| 17:21.16 | chops1 | Titan8990: In general with java, I've found that the simpler you make things for the machine, the fewer opportunities it was to stuff things up horribly |
| 17:21.24 | chops1 | *fewer opportunities it has |
| 17:21.28 | Titan8990 | chops1, it just updates symlinks |
| 17:21.36 | Titan8990 | chops1, like /usr/bin/java for example |
| 17:21.47 | chops1 | Titan8990: Right, but (1:20:22 PM) chops1: Titan8990: I've had problems in the past with update-java-alternatives (certain packages manually scanning for various JVMs instead of going via alternatives) |
| 17:22.17 | Titan8990 | not sure i understand how it scans |
| 17:22.25 | Titan8990 | and why it wouldn't choose /usr/bin/java |
| 17:22.31 | Titan8990 | which is symlinked to your real java |
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| 17:23.18 | chops1 | Titan8990: For example, the top of /etc/init.d/tomcat55 contains "JDK_DIRS="/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-sun /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-blackdown /usr/lib/j2se/1.4 /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3-sun /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3-blackdown /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-ibm /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-ibm /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj /usr/lib/kaffe" and a note saying that the first one that exists will be used for $JAVA_HOME |
| 17:24.27 | Titan8990 | i guess thats specific for the debian package of tomcat |
| 17:24.38 | Titan8990 | since the traditional sun java installation path is /opt |
| 17:24.41 | chops1 | Titan8990: Being as I'm running Debian, that's the one I'm concerned with :-) |
| 17:25.01 | Titan8990 | is this bug reported somewhere? |
| 17:25.12 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:25.44 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, i blacklist the pc speaker altogether... |
| 17:25.49 | chops1 | Titan8990: I have not reported it (and I'm not wholly convinced that there's necessarily a better way -- again, in my experience, java is kind of a bollocks at times) |
| 17:25.59 | chops1 | Titan8990: This is etch, FWIW; things may be better by now |
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| 17:26.02 | CharminTheMoose | Titan8990, How? |
| 17:27.19 | Titan8990 | chops1, now that I think about it... I bet update-java-alternatives only alters JRE |
| 17:27.32 | Titan8990 | chops1, so thats why JDK appears hard coded in that init script |
| 17:27.49 | chops1 | Hm... now when I remove *gcj*, aptitude wants to remove tomcat5.5 and will not explain why or be convinced otherwise (http://pastebin.com/m1ccbc253). Any ideas? |
| 17:28.09 | fxiny | why /usr/lib and not /usr/local/lib ? |
| 17:28.21 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, echo 'blacklist pcspkr' >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 17:29.05 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, one of the first things i do to every pvc |
| 17:29.08 | Titan8990 | err pc |
| 17:29.17 | oreo | sorry about disconnection; I think my ISP has cooling issues with the DSLAM's |
| 17:29.18 | oreo | issue i'm having: in fwbuilder i added an openvz interface to the firewall, but since the firewall rules are set up during networking, it complains that it doesn't know any venet0. what do i do? |
| 17:29.31 | CharminTheMoose | Titan8990, Cheers! :D |
| 17:30.02 | CharminTheMoose | Wait, do I need to do anything else? |
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| 17:30.16 | Titan8990 | oreo, manually add the rule for venet0 later? |
| 17:30.17 | CharminTheMoose | my pcspkr still seems to be soundig... |
| 17:30.21 | silidan1 | i just installed kstars only to find out it is missing the "Device" menue.... whats wrong?? |
| 17:30.42 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, that prevents it from loading at boot |
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| 17:30.56 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, to get rid of it now: modprobe -r pcspkr |
| 17:31.23 | oreo | Titan8990: fwbuilder generates a script that is executed by if-up |
| 17:31.45 | Titan8990 | oreo, manually edit the script |
| 17:31.51 | Titan8990 | oreo, uses iptables, right? |
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| 17:32.07 | oreo | Titan8990: yes; and it's too much to edit manually |
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| 17:32.18 | CharminTheMoose | heh |
| 17:32.35 | Titan8990 | oreo, wouldn't it be like a single rule? |
| 17:32.54 | CharminTheMoose | is that in the kernel? I'm running a custom kernel and modprobe -r pcspkr reports FATAL: Module pcspkr not found. |
| 17:33.00 | oreo | Titan8990: how would it be like a single rule? |
| 17:33.00 | Titan8990 | oreo, or maybe two if you need a masquerade NAT |
| 17:33.15 | chops1 | FWIW, I've now uninstalled *gcj*, reinstalled tomcat5.5, and I have what seems to be a working environment with the Sun JDK and some of the gcj tools (e.g. java-gcj-compat). I am choosing not to investigate further lest I disturb myself. :-) |
| 17:33.24 | oreo | Titan8990: it's more than that, so i need another solution |
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| 17:33.49 | Titan8990 | oreo, you need a solution that doesn't require to think, eh? |
| 17:34.08 | Titan8990 | oreo, create the venet0 before running fwbuilder... |
| 17:34.20 | CharminTheMoose | Titan8990, is that in the kernel? I'm running a custom kernel and modprobe -r pcspkr reports FATAL: Module pcspkr not found. |
| 17:34.32 | fxiny | chops1: any particular reason you installing sun in /usr/lib instead of /usr/local/lib ? |
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| 17:34.45 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, yes, depending on how you built the kernel, it can be built-in |
| 17:34.55 | chops1 | fxiny: Because I'm install the Debian package, which correctly does not touch /usr/local/bin |
| 17:35.01 | CharminTheMoose | mmm I built most stuff into my kernel. :d |
| 17:35.03 | chops1 | */usr/local |
| 17:35.03 | CharminTheMoose | :D |
| 17:35.05 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, just recompile the kernel with pcspkr removed completely |
| 17:35.10 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, thats bad |
| 17:35.19 | CharminTheMoose | Yeah sure. meh, I find it works.... |
| 17:35.19 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, you want as little as possible built-in |
| 17:35.30 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, so does the stock kernel.... |
| 17:35.39 | CharminTheMoose | Yeah, that's why I've tailored it for my system... |
| 17:35.40 | CharminTheMoose | :D |
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| 17:35.55 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, your talking to a gentoo user |
| 17:36.03 | CharminTheMoose | hehe |
| 17:36.04 | Nigbjort | Read Chimp Out's Official Appology to the Feral Negro Beast! http://chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31766 We appologize here for all the bad we have done them! At Chimpout.com we are not White Supremacist, rather we are Negro Inferiorists! We welcome all non-negroid races. Critera for joining: non-negroid, and hates niiggggggers! |
| 17:36.14 | chops1 | !ops Nigbjort |
| 17:36.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: chops1 complains about: Nigbjort |
| 17:36.24 | linomix | !start a distro war |
| 17:36.24 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 17:36.24 | fxiny | is a ghost |
| 17:37.04 | CharminTheMoose | apologies Titan8990, but you wouldn't have a guess at where pcspkr stuff would be in the kernel?? |
| 17:37.23 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, are you using menuconfig? |
| 17:37.24 | epsilon | What? I thhought this is a Ubuntu-Supportchannel11111 |
| 17:37.29 | CharminTheMoose | yeah |
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| 17:37.39 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, just using the "/" key to search |
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| 17:38.29 | linomix | Ubuntu?! |
| 17:38.35 | linomix | !start a distro war |
| 17:38.35 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 17:38.38 | linomix | !start a distro war |
| 17:38.55 | abrotman | linomix: leave the bot alone |
| 17:39.16 | linomix | abrotman: sorry... |
| 17:39.29 | CharminTheMoose | heh sure, I'll just make pcspkr as a module. :D |
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| 17:39.54 | fxiny | this ubuntu things annoys me more then any f* damned chimp spammer |
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| 17:40.07 | abrotman | fxiny: so uh .. don't talk about it here .. |
| 17:40.20 | fxiny | abrotman: me ? i never talk about it |
| 17:40.27 | Titan8990 | fxiny, be glad you were not here this time yesterday |
| 17:40.29 | abrotman | you just did |
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| 17:40.41 | CharminTheMoose | Thanks alot for the help Titan8990!! |
| 17:40.51 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, np :) |
| 17:40.54 | fxiny | Titan8990: the zen-what's-his nick one? |
| 17:41.06 | fxiny | i was here |
| 17:41.09 | Titan8990 | yeah... him |
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| 17:42.05 | fxiny | same as the chimps spammers , maybe less funny |
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| 17:42.39 | abrotman | move along .. |
| 17:43.03 | fxiny | again ? |
| 17:43.04 | Titan8990 | i got 15min left on lunch, someone break something |
| 17:43.10 | abrotman | craigevil: why are you telling me you're away ? |
| 17:43.12 | brabo | hi, i have a chroot jail setup for ssh users. now only thing that doesn't work is network/internet access in a chrooted shell. which components does it need to be able to go online? tx in advance :) |
| 17:43.31 | fxiny | i have the right of complain about OT ubuntism |
| 17:43.31 | Titan8990 | abrotman, same with me... his client is taking channel chat as PRIV |
| 17:43.49 | fxiny | complaining* |
| 17:44.00 | Titan8990 | in #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:44.46 | fxiny | me ? not in a 100 years |
| 17:45.19 | Sashi | hey hey |
| 17:45.25 | Sashi | quick question |
| 17:46.28 | Sashi | lets say i have /home/joe and /home/doe how can i move everything from /home/doe and /home/joe to /var/joe and /var/doe automatically? |
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| 17:46.59 | Sashi | instead of having to do mv /home/joe /var/joe and /home/doe /var/doe |
| 17:47.20 | Woodi | Sashi: cd /home ; mv joe /var ; mv doe /var |
| 17:47.34 | Sashi | thats the same thing |
| 17:47.39 | cantido | Sashi: make /var/joe a link to /home/joe |
| 17:47.44 | Sashi | i want to be able to do something like mv * or something |
| 17:48.16 | cantido | Sashi: you can't do that.. its two different operations |
| 17:49.24 | oreo | how can i set up an openvz (venet0) interface in fwbuilder and run the firewall script before openvz starts up (venet0 is created when it starts)? |
| 17:49.27 | Sashi | not even a script? |
| 17:49.30 | Woodi | Sashi: mv Sashi put that commands into script. running script is only one operation |
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| 17:50.03 | Sashi | yea but Woodi ... |
| 17:50.10 | Sashi | each server i have havve different usernames |
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| 17:50.17 | Sashi | so i still have to change the name in the script |
| 17:50.22 | cantido | Sashi: do a loop |
| 17:50.35 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm running inspircd on localhost for testing purposes. Everytime I connect I get the message 'Could not resolve your hostname: Request timed out; using your IP address (127.0.0.1) instead.' but I got 127.0.0.1 localhost in /etc/hosts. What can I do to fix this? Thanks. |
| 17:50.38 | Sashi | a loop..? |
| 17:50.44 | cantido | Sashi: for DIR in '/home/*'... |
| 17:50.45 | Mikaze | Hello. Where do I find my MAC address? |
| 17:51.02 | cantido | Mikaze: ifconfig <interface> .. its the hardware address |
| 17:51.03 | Titan8990 | Mikaze, ifconfig |
| 17:51.06 | Woodi | Sashi: use "mv $1 /var" and run script like "./script joe" |
| 17:51.15 | Mikaze | Thank you... |
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| 17:51.50 | Mikaze | Do routers have MAC addresses, or do only network cards? |
| 17:52.05 | abrotman | routers do too |
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| 17:52.12 | oreo | Mikaze: only NIC's do |
| 17:52.16 | oreo | but since routers have NIC's |
| 17:52.32 | Titan8990 | Mikaze, you might be able to find your routers mac by looking at your arp table |
| 17:52.44 | Titan8990 | Mikaze, or using an nmap ping scan: nmap -sP <ip addy> |
| 17:52.46 | cantido | or arping |
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| 17:53.08 | Mikaze | My ISP wants a MAC address before they'll give me a static IP. Guess I should give them the router's addy? |
| 17:53.09 | Woodi | Mikaze: or try traceroute yahoo.com |
| 17:53.10 | laxx | or sniff some traffic on the LAN. |
| 17:53.30 | laxx | Mikaze: sounds about right. |
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| 17:53.44 | Titan8990 | Mikaze, yes, or whatever the network gateway is |
| 17:53.59 | Mikaze | Okay. Thanks guys. |
| 17:53.59 | Titan8990 | Mikaze, often with ISP provided dsl routers, that information is labled on the unit |
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| 17:54.14 | laxx | provided the router is between you and the internet, which I assume is the case? |
| 17:54.15 | Woodi | Mikaze: every ethernet card have MAC. give mac of your card, sometimes is written on box... |
| 17:54.17 | oreo | Mikaze: you give them the MAC of the interface connected to your ISP |
| 17:54.45 | Mikaze | Would be the router, then. Never run without one. |
| 17:54.56 | laxx | Good man. |
| 17:55.12 | cantido | you need the mac of thing that the isp sees, if thats your router fine |
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| 17:55.28 | cantido | your router might have multiple mac addresses though, make sure you get the right one |
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| 17:56.21 | Mikaze | Yeah, I'll find both systems MAC addy's and be sure. |
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| 17:57.08 | Mikaze | is gonna start calling them MAC dAddys. |
| 17:57.10 | Woodi | Mikaze: MAC looks like 11:ab:19:42:4b:dc or something similiar |
| 17:57.17 | cantido | Mikaze: if your router has a web interface you will be able to find the mac of the upstream interface there |
| 17:57.54 | Mikaze | Yeah, forgot the router's password. Will have to reset it. |
| 17:57.59 | oreo | lol |
| 17:58.05 | Mikaze | grins. |
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| 17:58.50 | Mikaze | waves... |
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| 17:58.59 | Mikaze | Thanks again. Keep well. |
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| 18:05.13 | CharminTheMoose | I'm trying to compile a 2.6.24.4 kernel on debian testing but this error comes up: http://pastebin.ca/1535364 what's going on here? |
| 18:05.37 | abrotman | why? it has a .30 |
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| 18:06.25 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman, sorry? |
| 18:06.40 | ukmnh | mutt build-deps on elinks-lite, so i'll have to remove elinks for "apt-get build-dep mutt" to succeed. does a bug report to add an "| elinks" to be added to mutt's build-deps make sense? |
| 18:06.45 | abrotman | what's wrong with the kernel in testing already? |
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| 18:07.10 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman, oh yeah, I just like rolling my own kernels with the various drivers built in.. |
| 18:07.22 | CharminTheMoose | But yeah, how can I correct this error? |
| 18:07.26 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: but that kernel would have a local vuln |
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| 18:07.39 | eth01 | how do you manage users in debian for samba? |
| 18:07.46 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman, how? |
| 18:07.56 | eth01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.59 | laxx | CharminTheMoose: yeah don't go for that kernel version |
| 18:08.15 | CharminTheMoose | hmm. ok |
| 18:08.21 | CharminTheMoose | What version then? |
| 18:08.24 | CharminTheMoose | 25? |
| 18:08.28 | chops1 | CharminTheMoose: Also, people in Debian will often be reluctant to help if you insist on not making use of the work they've already put in to make things easier for you by packaging up kernels. |
| 18:09.35 | zeroConf | hmmmm - rough day i think |
| 18:09.41 | eth01 | ? |
| 18:09.41 | chops1 | CharminTheMoose: Preferring another approach is fine, but asking for help with another approach is like rejecting a lunch someone packed for you and then asking them to help when you have problems finding a good meal somewhere else :-) |
| 18:09.41 | CharminTheMoose | chops1, ok fair point, but it's my choice if I want to roll my own with minimum of baggage in form of built in/modules code |
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| 18:10.13 | CharminTheMoose | hehe ok. |
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| 18:10.26 | CharminTheMoose | I'll just ask this in #kernel then... |
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| 18:10.41 | CharminTheMoose | heh |
| 18:12.02 | oreo | how can i set up an openvz (venet0) interface in fwbuilder and run the firewall script before openvz starts up (venet0 is created when it starts)? |
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| 18:13.16 | Titan8990 | oreo, have the script that creates the virtual interface call the script that loads the iptables rules after its done its job |
| 18:13.23 | Titan8990 | instead of having the script auto-start |
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| 18:18.08 | Gryflhas | someonme with debian ? I have problem to enable wlan after turning it off with hotkey on my eeepc-900A (Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3)) |
| 18:18.08 | Gryflhas | -SOmeone with debian ` ;) |
| 18:19.10 | Gryflhas | Any hints ? |
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| 18:19.54 | eevar__ | anyone who's managed to install from the amd64 testing boot.img.gz recently? doesn't seem to do much after ~90 sec. last message on screen is ata 2.00: status: { DRDY } |
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| 18:20.36 | valdyn | PuppetMaster: why would you do that? |
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| 18:21.23 | PuppetMaster | because I do not want him running, recording logs. |
| 18:22.15 | PuppetMaster | I try update-rc.d, but them autostart :o |
| 18:22.28 | PuppetMaster | and inittab don't have syslogd configuration |
| 18:22.47 | valdyn | PuppetMaster: update-rc.d can work, its just hard to use correctly |
| 18:22.54 | valdyn | PuppetMaster: why dont you just remove the package? |
| 18:24.00 | PuppetMaster | true |
| 18:24.09 | PuppetMaster | apt-get --purge remove syslogd :p |
| 18:24.28 | valdyn | PuppetMaster: wrong package, but other than that.. its ok |
| 18:24.39 | PuppetMaster | ??? |
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| 18:33.53 | bkw | Why doesn't tasksel --list-tasks list the standard task? |
| 18:34.18 | abrotman | i think because it just does aptitude install "~pstandard" .. though i've not looked at the code |
| 18:35.26 | bkw | what binaries are available on a debian system then if I don't select anything in tasksel(not standard system even). |
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| 18:35.48 | maxxle | Hello, how can I SSH to a remote machine and change there automatically to a directory? I search something like "ssh user@192.x.y.z 'cd /testdirectory'" (I don't need a password to login to the machine) |
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| 18:41.24 | Glaxs | hey guys, I am accessing one of my servers and when I type "ls" or any command ssh lags like crazy. I'm accessing it direct through IP so I know it's not a DNS issue. What's the most common scenario for this issue? I can't find it at all. CPU is low, memory usage is fine... I simply can't get to the bottom of it. |
| 18:41.39 | abrotman | disk usage? |
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| 18:41.43 | Glaxs | du low |
| 18:41.47 | abrotman | processes in waiting for IO ? |
| 18:41.51 | abrotman | no .. not du .. IO |
| 18:42.05 | Glaxs | yea i know, iostat -x 5 shows nothing , vmstat good |
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| 18:43.09 | Glaxs | going to do a 2 line paste in here.... |
| 18:43.12 | Glaxs | Device: rrqm/s wrqm/s r/s w/s rsec/s wsec/s avgrq-sz avgqu-sz await svctm %util |
| 18:43.13 | Glaxs | sda 0.00 0.20 0.00 1.40 0.00 9.98 7.14 0.01 4.57 4.57 0.64 |
| 18:43.14 | abrotman | is it a large directory? |
| 18:43.16 | Glaxs | that's low , correct ? |
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| 18:43.57 | Glaxs | vmstat shows no swapping.... and low bi/bo |
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| 18:44.23 | abrotman | it's waiting about 5msec it says |
| 18:44.30 | Glaxs | hrm |
| 18:44.47 | Glaxs | that's pretty high right? |
| 18:45.06 | abrotman | compare it to another system that doesn't have the issue ? |
| 18:45.41 | abrotman | if it's sustained .. might be bad i suppose |
| 18:45.46 | Glaxs | yea |
| 18:46.38 | Glaxs | how can I see which processes are using IO? |
| 18:46.49 | abrotman | iotop? |
| 18:47.25 | bkw | For example, is package 'procps' installed if nothing is selected, not even "standard system" in tasksel during installation? |
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| 18:47.56 | Glaxs | bkw: was that to me? |
| 18:48.23 | Glaxs | can't run iotop |
| 18:48.29 | Glaxs | - Linux >= 2.6.20 with I/O accounting support: Not found |
| 18:48.53 | jelly | Glaxs: uname -r? |
| 18:49.00 | Glaxs | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 18:49.11 | jelly | Glaxs: which debian release are you using? |
| 18:49.29 | Glaxs | Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1 |
| 18:49.54 | jelly | I'm going to guess it's 4.0 (etch) |
| 18:50.00 | Glaxs | hrm |
| 18:50.01 | Glaxs | ok |
| 18:50.22 | Glaxs | cat /proc/version shows... |
| 18:50.23 | Glaxs | Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) |
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| 18:50.34 | jelly | Glaxs: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 18:50.47 | Glaxs | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 18:50.52 | jelly | that's lenny |
| 18:50.56 | jelly | Glaxs: upgrade your kernel |
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| 18:51.21 | abrotman | linux-image-686 |
| 18:51.29 | Glaxs | apt-get install linux-image-686 ? |
| 18:51.37 | jelly | that'll work too |
| 18:51.50 | Glaxs | cool jelly, thank a hell of a lot |
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| 18:53.09 | jelly | Glaxs: /etc/debian_version serves as a pointer to the debian release as well |
| 18:53.23 | jelly | wtf |
| 18:53.32 | jelly | <jelly> Glaxs: /etc/debian_version serves as a pointer to the debian release as well -craigevil- I'm sorry, but I'm away (sleepy time) |
| 18:54.11 | Glaxs | erm |
| 18:54.22 | jelly | weird |
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| 18:54.25 | Glaxs | cat /etc/debian_version 5.0.2 |
| 18:54.46 | jelly | 5.0 is lenny |
| 18:54.49 | Glaxs | yea |
| 18:55.02 | jelly | so the machine wasn't rebooted after an upgrade |
| 18:55.22 | Glaxs | pretty sure it was |
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| 18:55.39 | Glaxs | anyhow, tonight I'll run "apt-get install linux-image-686" |
| 18:55.45 | Glaxs | then reboot |
| 18:55.48 | Glaxs | that should fix it yea ? |
| 18:56.12 | jelly | Glaxs: check your boot loader settings before reboot |
| 18:56.32 | Glaxs | okay, in /boot/grub/? |
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| 18:56.46 | jelly | I have no idea which boto loader you use |
| 18:57.03 | Glaxs | I don't either :P |
| 18:57.07 | jelly | could be /boot/grub/menu.lst, could be /etc/lilo.conf, could be something weird |
| 18:57.27 | Glaxs | yea, it is /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 18:57.49 | jelly | you might have to update it manually and rerun lilo |
| 18:58.01 | Glaxs | run which manually? |
| 18:58.30 | jelly | update the configuration file manually, and run the "lilo" command |
| 18:58.44 | Glaxs | ah |
| 18:58.49 | Glaxs | to point to the new image? |
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| 19:10.44 | elux | hey |
| 19:10.49 | elux | is there no beanstalkd package in apt? |
| 19:10.53 | elux | i cant seem to find it.. very strange |
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| 19:12.26 | BlueG | In the last couple of days, I have had my system freeze up and I have had it reboot itself for no apparent reason. Any ideas what may be causing these problems? I'm running Lenny with a few packages from backports and a few custom packages. I built a patched development version of wine recently, but it wasn't running the last time the system hung up. |
| 19:12.47 | elux | fuckin lame |
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| 19:13.56 | stew | elux: see if there is a RFP or ITP filed and if not, condiser filing an RFP |
| 19:14.09 | elux | where do i check that? |
| 19:14.27 | stew | http://debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 19:14.51 | themill | elux: or even better, make the package yourself. /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 19:14.59 | sandman | Gentlemen. |
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| 19:15.11 | elux | no thanks. too big of a learning curve |
| 19:15.23 | themill | elux: not so lame after all then |
| 19:15.24 | BlueG | I suppose there was a recent kernel upgrade, could that be responsible for the recent instability? |
| 19:15.25 | elux | no .. beanstalkd isnt anywhere in there |
| 19:16.08 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: it's possible, though the machine shouldn't even reboot in such a case |
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| 19:16.34 | dondelelcaro | (well, it would reboot if you had panic set, but it should be obvious that that's what it's doing) |
| 19:16.51 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: you're physically at the machine when the reboots happen, right? |
| 19:17.26 | BlueG | dondelelcaro:hmmm, well, one time it said a reboot was initiated by gdm, the other it didn't reboot, it just hung up and had to be rebooted. Yes, I am at the machine now, its my home desktop. |
| 19:18.16 | keith4 | i seem to recall a non-free package for interfacing with megaraid cards, but i can't find it. am i remembering wrong? |
| 19:18.19 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: ok; if it said there was a reboot request, that's a bit different than just randomly rebooting |
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| 19:18.39 | dondelelcaro | keith4: dmraid |
| 19:18.58 | sandman | So, what's the deal with this new cpushare thing |
| 19:19.55 | BlueG | dondelelcaro: I suppose you are right, but I have no idea what would have triggered gdm to reboot the machine. The other time today, it actually hung when trying to login a second user. Black screen, num and caps lock not responding. |
| 19:19.57 | keith4 | dondelelcaro: ah. that's not what i was remembering, but that'll work nicely. thanks |
| 19:20.04 | sandman | And secondly, has anyone found that running several virtualboxes is slow? |
| 19:20.49 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: hrm... that sounds more like some issues with video card drivers... which drivers are you using? |
| 19:21.04 | nicorio | Hi. I am discovering Debian on a virtual machine (windows host). On the host, i have installed Hamachi (VPN). When I start my VM, Linux gets its IP from the Hamachi dhcp, not from my local router. How can I tell debian to request in priority its IP from the router ? |
| 19:21.43 | BlueG | dondelelcaro: that does make sense, but I don't recall a recent update. Let me check what drivers are being used. |
| 19:23.24 | keith4 | nicorio: DHCP does not work that way. dhclient will take the first offer it gets |
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| 19:24.34 | nicorio | keith4: OK, I'll set a fixed IP to my VM |
| 19:25.44 | BlueG | dondelelcaro: Kernel modules: i2c-i810, intelfb |
| 19:25.55 | ranix | that's called having a rogue dhcp server, nicorio |
| 19:26.03 | ranix | kind of interesting when it happens |
| 19:26.24 | ranix | if you tested it a lot I think you'd find that sometimes the VM would get its IP from hamachi and sometimes from the LAN instead |
| 19:26.34 | ranix | rogue DHCP is Bad News |
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| 19:27.35 | the|Navigator | Hey, I have some dpkg -l items with status rc and on booting I get alerts that they aren't installed... hpow can I fully remove them |
| 19:27.43 | the|Navigator | *how |
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| 19:28.10 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: hrm... yeah, that should all be ok. My only other suggestion is to try a newer kernel, or troll through your aptitude (or dpkg) logs and see what's been updated recently |
| 19:28.25 | jtgiri | can somebody help me with this sed statement, i am trying to find and change logformat in apache.com , http://pastebin.com/dd83ca6a |
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| 19:29.09 | BlueG | dondelelcaro: I think I have the newest stable kernel.... |
| 19:29.32 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: yeah, there are newer kernels in backports that may be worth trying; someone else may have some other ideas. |
| 19:29.53 | BlueG | well, that is a thought |
| 19:29.56 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: basically speaking, the three things that can cause random hangs are kernel bugs, video driver/Xorg bugs, and hardware issues. |
| 19:30.00 | the|Navigator | Also... top and free -m seem to give different memory usages |
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| 19:30.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell the|Navigator -about purge |
| 19:30.37 | the|Navigator | I can't purge a package that has been removed |
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| 19:30.53 | dondelelcaro | the|Navigator: sure youcan |
| 19:31.12 | the|Navigator | Sorry, got to "note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed" in that message and stiopped reading |
| 19:31.15 | dondelelcaro | the|Navigator: you use dpkg -P foopkg; or aptitude purge foopkg; and it'll go away. |
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| 19:31.23 | BlueG | dondelelcaro: is there a single log that tracks things installed through any apt interface? I wonder if anything in the system log might indicate the cause of the freeze or reboot |
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| 19:31.46 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: /var/log/dpkg.log*; tracks them |
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| 19:33.36 | elux | how do i add a custom script to be run at start up? i have the sysv-rc-conf app which is great, where do i put my config script tho? |
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| 19:33.52 | Serraphyn | how do I run a process after I close an SSH? liek I want to start it and it stays running |
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| 19:34.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell elux -about run at startup |
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| 19:34.31 | keith4 | dondelelcaro: i think i was remembering 'megamon'... but it seems to be outdated and crappy |
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| 19:35.42 | rudi_s | Serraphyn: man ssh, -f |
| 19:35.57 | ranix | megamon X2 was the bestr |
| 19:36.07 | NeoLobster | Lady_`` is a spambot, spamming people on channel join |
| 19:36.20 | rektide | What NeoLobster is true |
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| 19:36.28 | rektide | what NeoLobster *said is true |
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| 19:37.13 | _budo | cant figure out why 'set -o vi' does not execute every time i log in and i put it in the /etc/profile file |
| 19:37.14 | ranix | !ops Lady_`` is spamming |
| 19:37.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ranix complains about: Lady_`` is spamming |
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| 19:37.17 | Serraphyn | nvm, I found its nohup |
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| 19:37.43 | ranix | !thank ops |
| 19:37.43 | dpkg | ranix: de rien |
| 19:37.47 | NeoLobster | Does anyone have any experience installing debian over SSH? I have a server with a static IP and a broken remote access card that I need to install debian on. My issue (I think) is going to be getting the thing on the correct IP so I can finish the install over ssh. Are there any tricks? |
| 19:37.47 | the|Navigator | why is top completely different to free? top says "146464k used, 115900k free" and free says "-/+ buffers/cache: 87 168" |
| 19:38.38 | keith4 | because top counts buffers/cache |
| 19:38.55 | _budo | cant figure out why 'set -o vi' does not execute every time i log in and i put it in the /etc/profile file. the file executes when i put it in /etc/bash.bashrc ,but why didnt it execute in /etc/profile? |
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| 19:41.55 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm running inspircd on localhost for testing purposes. Everytime I connect I get the message 'Could not resolve your hostname: Request timed out; using your IP address (127.0.0.1) instead.' but I got 127.0.0.1 localhost in /etc/hosts. What can I do to fix this? Thanks. |
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| 19:43.07 | Gryflhas | rudi_s, : I'm far away from beeing sure.... but does it want ANOTHER hostname then localhost ? |
| 19:44.15 | rudi_s | Gryflhas: Hm, I got another one with my ip (LAN) in /etc/hosts, shouldn't that be enough? |
| 19:45.10 | NeoLobster | Can anyone look at this and tell me if they think it's still relevant/would work on a modern debian system? http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
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| 19:46.39 | keith4 | dondelelcaro: dmraid seems to be just for software raid and/or fake raid... i'm talking about a hardware raid controller |
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| 19:48.27 | unj | is there a way to email attach a file from bash, or send it to another comp...my ssh is down |
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| 19:49.08 | _budo | hmm |
| 19:49.53 | dondelelcaro | keith4: hrm... right; the atmel megaraid |
| 19:50.00 | _budo | in my /etc/hosts i have one address for localhost and one for hostname |
| 19:50.10 | _budo | @ rudi_s |
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| 19:50.22 | EagleScreen | hello, i have Debian testing installed and I have installed Ubuntu jaunty in a chroot with debootstrap, can I start a full session in this Ubuntu to make experiments with it? |
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| 19:50.39 | _budo | so maybe localhost is not the hostname ? |
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| 19:51.34 | rudi_s | _budo: Yes, me too. |
| 19:51.34 | rudi_s | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 19:51.35 | rudi_s | 192.168.2.17 asp |
| 19:51.56 | streuner | unj: mutt? |
| 19:51.58 | rudi_s | Everything works fine with this, just inspircd says it can't resolve it. |
| 19:52.06 | _budo | hmm |
| 19:52.11 | _budo | bug in the application ? |
| 19:52.44 | unj | streuner: thanks...this will take a bit of gettting used to |
| 19:52.49 | streuner | unj: wait, is that right, you dont have access to that box? |
| 19:53.06 | unj | I am logged in, but I need to send the file to another comp |
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| 19:53.16 | _budo | i read about this in a book somewhere....the app might be looking for a dns server ? |
| 19:53.21 | streuner | well, why not just use mutt then? |
| 19:53.21 | unj | streuner: I cannot ssh in, and my usb broke |
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| 19:53.29 | unj | streuner: yeah, that is my plan |
| 19:53.35 | unj | streuner: reading the manual now |
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| 19:54.37 | _budo | so its reporting it does not know your address because the app is looking for a name server.....that might be it |
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| 19:55.34 | rudi_s | _budo: Possible, I will check it and report a bug if necessary. Thanks. |
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| 19:58.26 | flower | mmh no flash after update? (nonfree) |
| 19:58.30 | unj | streuner: sorry to keep hounding you, do you know how to attach to the email that you send in mutt? |
| 19:59.50 | abrotman | flower: been removed, /msg dpkg adobe flash |
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| 20:00.12 | unj | oh its a |
| 20:00.54 | streuner | ye |
| 20:00.56 | streuner | yes |
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| 20:01.44 | streuner | -a file [...] Attach a file to your message using MIME. When attaching single or multiple files, separating filenames and recipient addresses with "--" is mandatory, e.g. mutt -a image.jpg -- addr1 or mutt -a img.jpg *.png -- addr1 addr2. The -a option must be placed at the end of command line options. |
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| 20:02.58 | streuner | !spell adress |
| 20:03.00 | dpkg | possible spellings for adress: address Adrea's adores Adore's Audre's adorers dress address's Atreus Andreas addressee dares Adoree's Adrea Adria's Andres Atreus's Audrey's Audrie's adorer's areas dressy duress Ares Dare's ares darers Ardra's wardress Andre's Andrews actress cadres padres Adara's Ade's Adora's Audra's Audry's Dre's dross tress Andrea's undress cadre's padre's area's Ardis's darer's Arden's Adrien's Andree's Andrei's Andrew's Andrey's ... |
| 20:03.03 | luke3321 | Hey guys, the front audio ports on my computer are not working. Alsa seems fine, and the Mobo audio port works fine |
| 20:03.20 | abrotman | did you wire them up? |
| 20:03.28 | luke3321 | abrotman: Mhm |
| 20:03.45 | dbb | hi all- new to debian.. if I want to install perl HTML::Template with the package manager, what do I look for ? |
| 20:03.51 | ranix | luke3321: sounds like a job for PocketKnife |
| 20:04.00 | luke3321 | ranix: Pocketknife? |
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| 20:04.09 | abrotman | dbb: apt-cache search perl html template |
| 20:04.22 | abrotman | if i had to guess, libhtml-template-perl |
| 20:04.23 | ranix | luke3321: no seriously mess with the fp audio headers with a bridge or external speaker until you figure out how they work |
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| 20:04.30 | ranix | luke3321: or get some documentation for your motherboard |
| 20:04.35 | ranix | it's more likely to be hardware than software |
| 20:04.50 | luke3321 | ranix: So there is no extra config needed for them to work? |
| 20:04.54 | ranix | luke3321: I recently did this by using a pocketknife to bridge the fp header to the rp header |
| 20:05.09 | ranix | luke3321: probably not, usually it's hardware |
| 20:05.26 | luke3321 | ranix: Alright, thanks. Off to poke around at my mobo headers |
| 20:05.38 | ranix | might save some time if you can just get a pdf of the board specs |
| 20:05.45 | ranix | although asus has shitty documentation so that didn't help me |
| 20:05.45 | luke3321 | I have a book |
| 20:05.50 | ranix | k |
| 20:05.55 | luke3321 | Nvidia nForce 780i |
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| 20:06.02 | luke3321 | rather nice documentation ;) |
| 20:06.19 | ranix | it should be in the docs, under fp header or something near where it shows a picture of the pinout |
| 20:06.46 | luke3321 | mhm, I recall that when building the computer, but I will double check I hooked them up right |
| 20:06.59 | dbb | abrotman looks good. thx! |
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| 20:13.46 | unj | streuner: yeah, mutt emails say they are sending but never arrive :( |
| 20:14.23 | streuner | well, the MTA isnt ok then |
| 20:14.30 | smacnay | Is using fuze or fuse still the recommended way to managing shares on a mixed network? |
| 20:14.36 | streuner | check mail.log out then |
| 20:14.45 | dondelelcaro | unj: mutt just sends mail to /usr/lib/sendmail by default; it doesn't have anything to do with transport after that |
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| 20:15.19 | streuner | unj: dpkg-reconfigure <your MTA> |
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| 20:16.04 | streuner | dpkg, +tell unj -about smarthost |
| 20:16.05 | dpkg | told unj about smarthost. |
| 20:16.35 | streuner | just use that if you dont have a working (own) MTA |
| 20:16.39 | unj | oooh |
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| 20:20.16 | dbb | so for the free desktop apps on Debian 5 - I am looking for a way to view .dia and/or .dot files.. There seems to be some drawing app? or something particular to dot? |
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| 20:21.29 | spiekey | Hey |
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| 20:21.50 | spiekey | i deleted /etc/debian_version by accident. How can i find out what version i have? |
| 20:22.15 | stew | spiekey: lsb_release -a ? |
| 20:22.17 | streuner | well, dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:22.22 | _budo | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:22.23 | ranix | cat /proc/version also works, spiekey |
| 20:22.30 | streuner | hehe |
| 20:22.37 | chellomere_ | spiekey, re-install base-files |
| 20:22.57 | spiekey | thanks! |
| 20:22.58 | streuner | many people who want help, i just go back to look Star Trek :-P |
| 20:23.05 | spiekey | cat /proc/version is cool! |
| 20:23.13 | streuner | nah |
| 20:23.16 | stew | it doesn't know anything about your debian version though |
| 20:23.22 | streuner | it only shows you the version of the kernel |
| 20:23.27 | spiekey | Debian 4.1.2-15 is etch? |
| 20:23.32 | karsten | Is it possible to launch a shell attached to a specific console / terminal? |
| 20:23.37 | stew | spiekey: no, that's gcc |
| 20:23.41 | spiekey | o |
| 20:23.43 | spiekey | oh |
| 20:23.45 | karsten | Eg: I'm booted single-user and want to run a bash shell on my remote console device. |
| 20:23.47 | chellomere_ | spiekey, reinstalling that package will get back /etc/debian_version |
| 20:23.56 | themill | probably lenny |
| 20:24.01 | stew | chellomere_: you have to tell him about confmiss |
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| 20:24.11 | spiekey | apt sources only shows "stable", but i dont know which stable. |
| 20:24.16 | stew | chellomere_: (since /etc/debian_version is a conffile) |
| 20:24.22 | spiekey | could be that it has not been updates for years :) |
| 20:24.26 | chellomere_ | oh, I didn't think so |
| 20:24.38 | themill | (an old version of lenny at that...) |
| 20:24.59 | stew | hopefully if his sources say "stable" he's on etch |
| 20:25.23 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.57 | chellomere_ | spiekey, "/msg dpkg confmiss" is likely to be needed to bring back /etc/debian_version too |
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| 20:26.33 | spiekey | libc6 is 2.7-10 which does not help when i search in packages.debian.net |
| 20:26.49 | spiekey | chellomere_: thanks |
| 20:26.52 | themill | old lenny... |
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| 20:27.22 | chellomere_ | yes, suggests a lenny from when lenny was testing |
| 20:27.30 | chellomere_ | at least part of the system |
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| 20:27.42 | chellomere_ | may be some horrible mix if you're unlucky |
| 20:27.44 | stew | but installed originally as etch or earlier |
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| 20:28.31 | spiekey | i have got a bad feeling here... |
| 20:29.14 | themill | Yeah, that libc6 was superseded in lenny in August 2008. |
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| 20:30.45 | spiekey | well, doing a apt-get upgrade with lenny apt source gives me 257 New packages |
| 20:31.05 | spiekey | changing apt sources to etch only gives me 22 new packages :) |
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| 20:31.21 | chellomere_ | uh |
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| 20:31.33 | stew | spiekey: so you probably have a sarge/etch/lenny mix |
| 20:31.33 | themill | spiekey: you might want to have a look at the etch->lenny upgrade notes to make the best out of upgrading to lenny from where you are. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 20:31.42 | chellomere_ | that suggests that some packages are from an updated etch mix? |
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| 20:32.01 | stew | spiekey: (and in the future, you should not use "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 20:32.02 | themill | 22 security updates to etch since Aug 08 sounds feasible |
| 20:32.23 | chellomere_ | sorry |
| 20:32.34 | chellomere_ | ...are from un-updated etch |
| 20:32.55 | spiekey | http://pastebin.com/d3cc3204f |
| 20:32.57 | spiekey | :) |
| 20:33.30 | spiekey | stew: i know...this is an old gateway i just kind of found to be in production :) |
| 20:33.52 | spiekey | you know...once they run...you forget about them...even where they are located physically |
| 20:37.21 | themill | spiekey: does running a vulnerable kernel fit into that description? |
| 20:37.41 | spiekey | ist a custom 2.6.27 kernel :) |
| 20:37.44 | spiekey | own made |
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| 20:38.49 | themill | you can't have forgotten about that box for that long then.... since that kernel was released after you last updated libc6. |
| 20:38.59 | spiekey | i guess i will just upgrade those 22 packages and then upgrade to lenny |
| 20:39.21 | themill | yes, that would seem the most sensible thing to do at this stage |
| 20:39.32 | spiekey | thanks a lot guys!! |
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| 21:01.30 | klamanet | hi, where is the file that manage dns in debian? |
| 21:01.55 | JPT | you mean /etc/host(s) ? |
| 21:01.58 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.08 | klamanet | JPT yes |
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| 21:03.09 | klamanet | petemc for default is empty, right? |
| 21:03.21 | petemc | not if you want to resolv anything |
| 21:03.28 | petemc | s/lv/lve/ |
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| 21:04.44 | YeTr2 | /etc/hosts is a list of ip/names for your network, /etc/resolv.conf lists dnsservers to use, /etc/nsswitch.conf lists how to use your resolver and whether or not to use dns(resolv.conf) or files(hosts) or other technologies when trying to resolve an ip address or a hostname. |
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| 21:05.10 | nineclock | holas, |
| 21:05.40 | nineclock | Cannot find the KDE environment. Please contact your system Administrator. :) this error is shown when i login with Nxclient how can i do to solve :( ? |
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| 21:07.03 | klamanet | thanks YeTr2, petemc & JPT |
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| 21:07.11 | JPT | np :) |
| 21:07.16 | YeTr2 | Please contact your system Administrator. </joke> |
| 21:07.23 | JPT | yay^^ |
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| 21:08.07 | nineclock | :O prrr |
| 21:08.16 | nineclock | how can i solve :D joker ? |
| 21:08.40 | YeTr2 | you do have KDE installed, yes? |
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| 21:08.51 | nineclock | yes |
| 21:09.15 | g-zu | hi, I'm trying to install kdelibs5-dev and I'm apparently missing 3 packages, what can I do about it? |
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| 21:10.02 | g-zu | missing packages are automoc libsoprano-dev and libphonon-dev |
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| 21:11.11 | g-zu | actually I don't know if they're missing the message says depends: package-name (version) but is not installable |
| 21:11.17 | g-zu | any ideas? |
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| 21:11.56 | YeTr2 | If they are listed as uninstallable, it might be because of dependency conflicts with packages you already have installed on your system. |
| 21:12.00 | themill | g-zu: you need to provide us with much more information than this, /msg dpkg bat |
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| 21:13.02 | Dassu | ke guys |
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| 21:13.18 | g-zu | wait, I just realized it was only reading the 1 dvd |
| 21:13.37 | Dassu | Does someone has here experience in renaming network interfaces with udev ? |
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| 21:14.23 | g-zu | yup, added internet server and works now, sorry to bother you with my stupidity |
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| 21:15.52 | Dassu | KERNEL="eth*", ATTRS{address}=="00:08:c7:4b:d9:dc", NAME="Verkko_PCI" <- I have following line in /etc/udev/rules.d/010_netinterfaces.rules however that network always gets named soemthing like eth1 eth2 or even eth0_rename |
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| 21:16.13 | Dassu | The worst thing is that all my interfaces don't seem to have persistent names |
| 21:16.34 | Dassu | So sometimes I need to reconfigure my firewall and network/interfaces |
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| 21:17.16 | adb | dpkg: tell Dassu -about 70 |
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| 21:18.51 | dbb | geez - still no .dot file viewer |
| 21:18.51 | dbb | bunch of runaround with JAVA |
| 21:18.51 | Dassu | :-( |
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| 21:20.02 | Dassu | dbb: seems to make sense. Thanks |
| 21:20.19 | Dassu | Was wondering if that file had any significant meaning |
| 21:20.27 | linXea | Is there a grafical config-manager for samba.. Im kind of tired of editing samba.conf all the time for different shares and priviliges... |
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| 21:25.13 | nineclock | mmm one question |
| 21:25.43 | nineclock | i'm try to login into the drftp , using the masterport but not let me login mmm |
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| 21:27.39 | purplepenguins | nineclock: do you have an account? have you configured the server? |
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| 21:41.34 | Fah | apt is hanging when it tries to download headers, wget works fine. Can I tell apt to use wget for http urls? |
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| 21:45.16 | ajavid | I have an idea for something... I see lots of cpanel and other server software for webhosting... but they only work with rhel or centos or fedora etc. |
| 21:45.19 | ajavid | redhat based stuff |
| 21:45.43 | ajavid | how about one made specifically for debian OS |
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| 21:46.06 | ajavid | in php, to have a cpanel type open source alternative.. I have some ideas that I've written down and I'm trying to plan this project out |
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| 21:46.17 | ajavid | I'd like some other intersted people's input, if anyone is interested |
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| 21:46.37 | ajavid | feel free to msg me and I can get you the tech specs and detiails I've got so far |
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| 21:51.41 | dbb | oohhh dot -Tpng I forgot all about that |
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| 21:51.59 | dbb | argh |
| 21:52.05 | dbb | works now |
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| 21:57.15 | phogg | I set up inspircd installed atheme-services, but I don't have services connected and all I get in the atheme log is "unregistered server sent disallowed command NOTICE". All google finds about this is a reference to the atheme source code where the print statement for that exists. |
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| 21:57.25 | phogg | tl;dr help me get atheme working with inspircd? |
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| 22:27.53 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 22:29.11 | spydon | My girlfriend broke up with me so I thought I would do something drastic... |
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| 22:29.33 | spydon | Like throwing out Ubuntu in favor of Debian |
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| 22:35.07 | spydon | how can this channel possibly be dead when 886 people is idling in it? :P |
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| 22:35.46 | mquin | everyone's debian systems are working, so there's nothing to talk about ;) |
| 22:37.05 | ajavid | :) |
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| 22:38.26 | ajavid | judd versions xbmc |
| 22:38.26 | judd | ajavid: xbmc -- |
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| 22:38.49 | lvh_ | okay |
| 22:38.49 | lvh_ | so |
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| 22:39.06 | lvh_ | if you want an idea of how bad NMEA is |
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| 22:39.26 | ajavid | lvh_, keep it on tipoc |
| 22:39.28 | ajavid | topic |
| 22:39.34 | lvh_ | hm |
| 22:39.39 | lvh_ | I thought this was python |
| 22:39.42 | lvh_ | ajavid: Sorry :-) |
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| 22:39.52 | ajavid | lvh, well its like python |
| 22:39.54 | ajavid | only its not. |
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| 22:57.10 | linduxed | lets say ive started an aptitude install which locks /var/lib/dgkg/lock, is there a command that does another aptitude install right after the lock gets unlocked? |
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| 22:58.50 | ajavid | linduxed, come again |
| 22:59.12 | linduxed | ajavid: lets assume i start a large install |
| 22:59.32 | ajavid | linduxed, if aptitude unlocks it, it means that install has finished, you can re-run aptitude to install another package |
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| 22:59.43 | linduxed | ajavid: for instance, "aptitude install kde" (assuming there is such a metapackage) |
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| 22:59.49 | gusnan | What's up with the pidgin security fix on stable? See http://paste.debian.net/44647/ for my log. |
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| 23:00.09 | ajavid | linduxed, if aptitude so happens to die in the middle, it will have the lock and you won't be able to do anything until the process using the lock file is closed |
| 23:01.02 | ajavid | craigevil, you have some triggers -- 06:00 [freenode] -craigevil(n=craigevi@adsl-76-253-105-193.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net)- I'm sorry, but I'm away (sleepy time) -- I don't know what I said to trigger this, but every few minutes if I talk in here I get a message from you. Please turn it off |
| 23:01.07 | ajavid | !tell craigevil -about away |
| 23:01.19 | linduxed | ajavid: and since the install will take an hour or so, i want to run a command that would do a "aptitude install somepackage" as soon as the lock from the first one dissapears |
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| 23:01.33 | ajavid | linduxed, you want to schedule it? |
| 23:01.37 | linduxed | ajavid: basically something that checks whether the lock is gone |
| 23:01.39 | ajavid | linduxed, is aptitude still downloading things? |
| 23:01.45 | linduxed | ajavid: exactly |
| 23:01.52 | ajavid | linduxed, you can ctrl + c and stop aptitude |
| 23:02.00 | vashism280 | if you guys are bored check out facebook zombies :D - http://apps.facebook.com/zombies/links.php?r=719927515&nref=st |
| 23:02.07 | ajavid | linduxed, add the package you want to install in that previous command and start aptitude agian |
| 23:02.24 | ajavid | linduxed, you'd have to write a bash script in order to do this afaict |
| 23:02.47 | linduxed | basically aptitude is doing something that will take a long time, so i want to stack up some more aptitude jobs that get popped as soon as the first one finishes |
| 23:02.52 | ajavid | linduxed, ctrl+c, cancel aptitude, add the name of the package in the install command, and there you go. No need to do this stuff |
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| 23:03.12 | ajavid | linduxed, ok, you can specify multiple aptitude commands in one line |
| 23:03.26 | ajavid | linduxed, aptitude install foo; aptitude install bar; aptitude install baz; |
| 23:03.46 | themill | or just aptitude install foo bar baz |
| 23:03.46 | ajavid | when one finished, the 2nd will start, but you can just do aptitude install foo bar baz |
| 23:03.49 | linduxed | ajavid: i know that but assume ive ran the following |
| 23:03.55 | ajavid | I'm not sure why you are trying to do this? |
| 23:04.06 | linduxed | ajavid: "aptitude install hugepackage" |
| 23:04.20 | ajavid | perhaps themill can understand you, I don't. |
| 23:04.22 | linduxed | hugepackage takes four days to install |
| 23:04.44 | linduxed | so i want to type aptitude install smallpackage |
| 23:04.46 | linduxed | but cant |
| 23:04.52 | linduxed | because its locked |
| 23:04.53 | linduxed | now |
| 23:04.57 | ajavid | linduxed, do you not understand? |
| 23:05.06 | linduxed | i dont want to abort the install of hugepackage |
| 23:05.12 | linduxed | just stack another job |
| 23:05.15 | ajavid | linduxed, in the window aptitude is running in, the tty, do ctrl + c and cancel aptitude |
| 23:05.24 | ajavid | linduxed, then do aptitude install bigpackage smallpackage |
| 23:05.31 | ajavid | both will get isntalled... WTF is the problem? |
| 23:05.33 | ajavid | seriously |
| 23:06.21 | gravity | It'll resume the download where it was interrupted as well, so you don't have to re-download what you've already started |
| 23:06.46 | ajavid | gravity, everyone knows that :) (well anyone whose used apt more than once) |
| 23:06.51 | linduxed | ajavid: the problem is that will result in an aborted installation should i do a ctrl+c after the download stage, while it would be more beneficial if one could in some way append jobs |
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| 23:07.04 | ajavid | linduxed, hmm. no it will be fine, I do it all the time |
| 23:07.27 | ajavid | sometimes I install like aptitude install kde, and then I'm like oh, crap, I'm gonna be away from pc |
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| 23:07.34 | ajavid | so I cancel the aptitude job |
| 23:07.46 | ajavid | and I just to aptitude install kde openoffice.org and walk away |
| 23:07.55 | ajavid | linduxed, i think you'll be alright |
| 23:07.55 | jelly-home | linduxed: if stopped during a download, there won't be any additional breakage in any installed package status |
| 23:08.30 | jelly-home | craigevil craigevil craigevil |
| 23:08.41 | linduxed | jelly-home: and if stopped during a setup of a package? |
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| 23:09.02 | ajavid | jelly-home, it will resume the installation of the package |
| 23:09.13 | jelly-home | linduxed: it depends, but you just said it was the download that was taking a long time |
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| 23:09.26 | ajavid | linduxed, it will resume the package installation too, it will reinstall the package it had trouble installing(was cancelled in) |
| 23:09.38 | linduxed | hmm, that sounds good |
| 23:09.47 | ajavid | linduxed, half installed package state will get fixed by aptitude, no problem |
| 23:10.01 | themill | inotifywait /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; aptitude install otherpackage |
| 23:10.03 | linduxed | ok thats comforting |
| 23:10.05 | ajavid | linduxed, but its best to cancel before download is done |
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| 23:10.18 | ajavid | linduxed, to add more stuff |
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| 23:10.33 | linduxed | themill: that was pretty much exactly what i was asking for all the time :-D |
| 23:10.38 | ajavid | nice |
| 23:10.44 | ajavid | inotifywait |
| 23:10.57 | ajavid | where is this thing |
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| 23:11.17 | btnz | if i connect a vm's nic to a bridged network on the vm's host, does it get its ip assigned by the router the physical nic is connected to? |
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| 23:11.56 | jelly-home | btnz: only if the router is a dhcp server and the vm is a dhcp client |
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| 23:13.35 | btnz | jelly-home but is is generally managed by the router and not by the physical nic's driver? is the VM's NIC even visible to the host if not through the router? |
| 23:14.00 | jelly-home | btnz: is what managed by what? |
| 23:14.04 | EagleScreen | wow |
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| 23:14.18 | ajavid | ahh, its in inotify-tools |
| 23:14.46 | ajavid | inotify-tools is a set of command-line programs for Linux providing a simple interface to inotify. These programs can be used to monitor and act upon filesystem events. |
| 23:14.49 | gparent | Hey. I'm migrating an OS from an hard drive to a new one - Is it fine if I do a straight "cp" operation from a live CD? What flags do I need to pass to cp? |
| 23:14.51 | ajavid | cool |
| 23:14.53 | abrotman | eh? |
| 23:15.06 | ajavid | thats is a cool little gizmo there |
| 23:15.14 | btnz | sry, jelly-home, in how far is the VM's NIC's identity managed by the physical NIC? |
| 23:15.36 | jelly-home | btnz: in no way at all |
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| 23:17.28 | btnz | jelly-home okay thx, so 'bridged network' in this context results in the same as simply plugging another machine into the router? |
| 23:17.30 | abrotman | feel? |
| 23:18.09 | jelly-home | btnz: right |
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| 23:18.48 | btnz | jelly-home as opposed to my old misunderstanding that it's like running a software router on the host |
| 23:19.18 | jelly-home | bridges and routers are different. |
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| 23:20.51 | jelly-home | btnz: there's some collateral damage on the host, as it needs to put the physical interface into promiscuous mode, but that's less important |
| 23:21.55 | btnz | i understand that better now, jelly-home, though i've got to say that it's not actually good news to me.. |
| 23:22.37 | EagleScreen | i have installed a Debian suit in a usb-stick unsing debootstrap, and i can boot it with grub2 ! |
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| 23:24.59 | btnz | jelly-home, one of the difficulties i'm facing atm is that i don't exactly understand how my router work: host and VM get assigned the same WAN IP but that ip is also the one i see at eth0 |
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| 23:35.51 | loki_ | ok so i am trying to install the sierra driver to use my att air card and i found the instructions on their site for it and the one step i am confused about is "prior to installing the driver, the kernel source code must be downloaded into /usr/src/linux. My question the drivers are already on there how do i just update them? |
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| 23:36.26 | loki_ | also im using debian lenny with 2.6.26 kernel |
| 23:36.31 | abrotman | loki_: what's wrong with the ones that are already there? |
| 23:36.42 | loki_ | they are severely outdated |
| 23:36.51 | purplepenguins | the ones in the 2.6.26 kernel? |
| 23:37.22 | loki_ | yea it is only 1.2.? and the newest is 1.7.? |
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| 23:38.07 | purplepenguins | do you really need the newest |
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| 23:38.35 | abrotman | loki_: there is a .30 kernel at backports.org |
| 23:38.41 | gimbal | hi folks. does anyone have an idea about what simple search keywords could be useful for finding out how to set up a linux desktop to work as a virtual audio headset? I've found plenty of things about setting up a headset to work with Linux audio, but not the converse case... |
| 23:39.11 | loki_ | i just though it might keep me from having to run into any problems if possible. Honestly i didnt even realize they came installed until i started with this walkthrough (still new to linux) |
| 23:39.17 | pingouin | the stupid question of the day : i've just installed a fresh lenny amd64, and cups/my printer, and when i go to the localhost:631 i can read at the bottom of page : that Cups and its logo are properties of Apple Inc.... |
| 23:39.20 | purplepenguins | yeah, do what abrotman said, and if worst comes to worst, you can get the kernel source by downloading the appropriate linux-headers-2.6.26-* package |
| 23:39.49 | pingouin | but i've apt-get cups, so cups is free ? or property of apple now ?! |
| 23:40.23 | purplepenguins | check the release notes for the driver...unless the 1.2 driver has stability issues, or the 1.7 driver is a lot more featureful it's probably not worth the trouble |
| 23:40.48 | purplepenguins | manual driver installation is just painful |
| 23:40.52 | loki_ | awesome, do you suggest updated my kernel to .30? |
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| 23:41.26 | loki_ | i know i had to do it for my wireless before the iwl project came out for the intel3945 |
| 23:41.32 | loki_ | it sucked |
| 23:42.14 | jorizma | building the kernel's a lot easier than building some big software packages |
| 23:43.24 | loki_ | yea i am reading the linux bible right now and its more oriented towards admin a network instead of basic operation and how to control linux |
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| 23:43.49 | gimbal | hey nevermind, I have a hunch that it's just not going to be easy to find the docs about, for even so far as it would be presently supported, in apps |
| 23:43.51 | jorizma | HOWTOs always worked better for me when I was learning |
| 23:44.06 | purplepenguins | books tend to get outdated fast with linux |
| 23:44.16 | purplepenguins | they're good for getting the basics down though |
| 23:44.27 | jorizma | gimbal: i think you'd have to write a bluetooth driver |
| 23:44.28 | loki_ | yea i mean its the 2008 version, i couldnt find the 09 version |
| 23:44.45 | jorizma | 2008 should be fine, especially for Lenny |
| 23:45.24 | loki_ | yea i bought the book cause it says we walk you through operations in debian and i have seen like 4 pages in 300 pages |
| 23:46.47 | loki_ | is there another chat you guys hang out in to bs about linux? |
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| 23:47.04 | loki_ | or is it ok to bs in here? i know its more a support chat |
| 23:47.18 | markybob | loki_, no bs. #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:47.39 | loki_ | awesome thanks for answering marky :) |
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| 23:47.49 | jorizma | I dunno, I just joined this channel the other day. I go to freenode for the programming language channels mostly. |
| 23:48.38 | purplepenguins | freenode has all kinds of channels |
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| 23:51.05 | oh_noes1 | what package has mkpasswd in it? |
| 23:52.34 | jelly-home | dpkg: find bin/mkpasswd |
| 23:52.37 | markybob | whois |
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| 23:53.39 | jelly-home | oh_noes1: "whois" was your answer |
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| 23:54.02 | jelly-home | it's not obvious at first sight |
| 23:54.23 | markybob | my answer didnt really need repeating :P |
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| 23:54.48 | matiu | Does anyone know where the config file for the complilation of the new 2.6.26 kernel might be found ? |
| 23:54.49 | jelly-home | felt it did. |
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| 23:54.57 | jorizma | is it used a lot? maybe a virtual package would be a good idea. |
| 23:54.59 | aoeu | i downloaded some photos from an sd card, deleted the photos with rm -rf *, forgot to unmount the card, put a new one in, and then unmounted it by accident, and now the photos on the new card i put in are gone, but the ones on the original card are still there. can i get the photos back that got deleted? |
| 23:55.17 | matiu | I want to check if signalfd is compiled in .. |
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| 23:55.43 | jelly-home | matiu: /boot/config-* comes with every limux-image-* package |
| 23:55.44 | joevandyk | a deb package is setup to install stuff to /opt/somedir by default. is it possible to change where it installs its files? |
| 23:55.55 | jelly-home | joevandyk: no |
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| 23:56.16 | matiu | thanks jelly I saw that file but overlooked it, thinking it was some grub/lilo related thing :) |
| 23:56.22 | jelly-home | joevandyk: (you have to take it apart, put the stuff elsewhere arnd pack it again) |
| 23:56.52 | joevandyk | jelly-home: boo. but thanks. |
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| 23:57.57 | jelly-home | joevandyk: of course, you might want to verify the app will actually work when placed elsewhere |
| 23:59.01 | loki_ | ok so i installed kppp to use with my air card but it says i dont have rights to accesss this. I know i need to chmod it but i dont know which file to chmod or where it is. |
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| 23:59.08 | Clint_ | i have a debian ftp server setup with proftpd. i have an account called webmaster and ive added that user to www-data and ive also changed the users home directory to www/data where the owner is now www-data but still im unable to delete or make files/folders. what am i missing? |
| 23:59.38 | matiu | Clint, This article might be what you need: |
| 23:59.48 | matiu | http://articles.slicehost.com/2007/9/18/apache-virtual-hosts-permissions |
| 23:59.59 | purplepenguins | do you have the group write set Clint_ ? |