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16:03.24macrobatyawn, a modern xorg.conf is empty. you can still put things in there. "setxkbmap" can be used for layout. put it in ~/.xinitrc or whatever is read when you startx
16:03.37sobersabrehi. I'm having a problem with a script that is supposed to be run on startup of the system.
16:03.39zeroConfcan ti do ? what does the ti mean ?
16:03.46sobersabreIt us located in /etc/init.d
16:03.57sobersabreit eats start|stop|restart arguments.
16:04.06sobersabreit has LSB related info.
16:04.13sobersabrebut it won't start automatically.
16:06.00macrobat!startup
16:06.00dpkgi guess init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go.  To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least.  Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults".  See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README.  Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>.
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16:06.13macrobati dont know more than that
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16:08.16zeroConfhonstly - what is the point of that PACKAGE SURVEY thing ?
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16:09.21cantidozeroConf: popcon?
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16:19.20abrotmanzeroConf: for one thing, it influences the order of the packages on the CDs/DVDs
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16:24.00BushmillszeroConf: it is helpful for giving replies to questions like "is anybody using <insert  name of program of choice here>?"
16:24.10imachinehi
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16:24.41imachineis upgrading from lenny to testing a wicked move?
16:24.48imachinei.e. , will it blow up ?
16:25.19rudi_s!tell imachine about testing
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16:25.54imachine!tell imachine lenny->squeeze
16:26.01imachineeh
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16:26.11imachine!lenny->squeeze
16:26.18imachineok I got it ;p
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16:27.01Mac101hmm say i want the cmd vi to lauch vim instead of vi can i just make the alias or will that confuse things?
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16:27.12imachineok got it :)
16:28.03purplepenguinsthe alias won't change anything on the system, it'll just change how bash handles it
16:28.23purplepenguinsi have the same thing in my alias
16:28.26purplepenguinserr, my bashrc
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16:28.33Bushmillsvi is handled by alternatives
16:28.46imachineyes, you can alias it locally without troubles I reckon, but I'd suggest exporting EDITOR as vim
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16:29.00brbrbr!tell brbrbr lenny->squeeze
16:29.08purplepenguinsupdate-alternatives is better than setting EDITOR usually
16:29.13imachinethat too
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16:29.35Mac101so i make the alias then do update-alt ?
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16:30.30Dayiihello I have the debian live iso burned, started but there is no option to install it, can I install debian with the livecd?
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16:30.55cantidoDayii: use a standard debian installer image
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16:31.12Bushmillsvi should be a symlink into alternatives already.  use update-alternatives with --set to change it
16:31.32Mac101ok thx
16:31.41zeroConfso - should t be asterisk or freeswitch ?
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16:32.34Martin_vWdoes anyone know if avahi-daemon in lenny causes problems with sshd? If I ssh to a machine that has recently been upgraded to lenny, it always takes 5-6 seconds to connect, and as far as I understand the strace output, it's trying to read an avahi-daemon socket on the server.
16:32.35zeroConfcantido - i thought it was pass the popcorn....
16:32.35imachinepurplepenguins, wow, thanks for that, I didn't know so much about update-alt :-)
16:32.41Dayiicantido: is there an image without netinstall?
16:32.48imachinedebian is cool!
16:32.48imachine:)
16:33.01zeroConfabrotman - ok - but when one does ones own install iso... it becomes irrelevant...
16:33.04cantidoDayii: you mean an image with lots of packages? like that normal cd or dvd images?
16:33.21cantidoDayii: s/that/the/
16:33.26zeroConfbushmills - but it doesnt link to irc... so i go back to abrotman....
16:33.31Imran-UKassuming all is ok, how long might one expect a fsck on boot of a 1T ext3 filesystem to take?
16:33.34grazymaxhi all
16:33.34cantidozeroConf: not many people do that though
16:33.38abrotmanzeroConf: uhm .. it still matters for other people using debian
16:34.18cantidoImran-UK: depends on the speed of the disks, interface, if there any issues.. I would expect a bit of a wait though
16:34.33Dayiijust a installer with normal debian, coz my wireless adapter dont work in debian
16:34.44Martin_vWah, ok, I think I have found an explanation: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/avahi/2007-March/001007.html
16:34.54cantidoDayii: so the first CD or DVD image then
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16:34.59zeroConfcantido - well, i wanted to do it cause i want to have an installer iso that doesnt ask any questions and just does what i want it to do... basically, i want openssh-server screen sudo installed, and i want a extra line in rsyslogd.conf and sudoers to be edited to allow the default/first user to use sudo...
16:35.00Imran-UKcantido, yep, these discs are in raid5 config, software raid
16:35.06cantidoDayii: did you even look at the debian site :/
16:35.30cantidoImran-UK: so you might have to contend with the raid being checked or rebuilt too
16:35.41cantidoImran-UK: I'd go make a cup of tea or two
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16:35.47zeroConfhow does the survey tell that i have run up a box with XYZ, then trashed that and run it up with something else isntead, just rying lots of different ones....
16:35.52DayiiI looked at it but if thought on the live cd is an installer like ubuntu
16:35.56harkMac101: just install the vim package
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16:36.11Dayii*i thought
16:36.17Imran-UKcantido, this filesystem is used during the day. my plan was to set-it off at midnight or early morning, giving it say 8 hours
16:36.31harkMac101: or look in /etc/vim/vimrc.tiny
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16:36.49cantidozeroConf: that would just be statistical noise though, the ratio of proper installs should be higher
16:36.59imachinehmm,
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16:37.17imachineany news on when squeeze will hit release status?
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16:37.42Dayiicantido: there is only the livecd image I downloaded and a dvdimage
16:37.52cantidoImran-UK: if fcsk finds an issue, sometimes it fixes it and reboots, sometimes it just sits there,.. if you leave it and come back 8 hours later you might find it didn't do anything
16:38.07zeroConfcantido - i beg to differ, almost everyone i know does more then one build....
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16:38.14imachineok nvm got it ;]
16:38.20eluxis there a simpler app like sysv-rc-conf that doesnt require perl?
16:38.29eluxi like the nice interface to turn on init scripts
16:38.32Imran-UKcantido, hmm ok. thanks for your help. i'll have a google around too about it
16:38.45cantidozeroConf: I think popcon also uses file access times too,.. I sort of remember some mention of popcon and noatime
16:39.00purplepenguinsi'm going to guess that squeeze is not going to be released for a while
16:39.11purplepenguinsconsidering lenny has been stable for only half a year
16:39.29purplepenguinsand the average life of a stable seems to be 2 years
16:39.56cantidozeroConf: but, you known, if you have a fool proof way of determining what packages are in use that filters play installs etc while not invading users privacy I'm sure the popcon people will listen to you
16:40.09cantidozeroConf: s/known/know/
16:40.58zeroConfthinks its ok
16:41.10n215how do I delete virtual interface gre0
16:41.36cantidoDayii: I don't see your problem really.. in like 4 clicks from browsing to debian.org I have a page will links to all the CD images..
16:41.40koollmann215: ifconfig gre0 down
16:41.48|Jason8|Hello all.  I need to upgrade glibc from 2.3.x to 2.4.x.  Is there any way to do this?  apt-get install glibc-2.4* tries to install 2.3.6
16:42.00cantidoDayii: s/will/with/
16:42.23cantido|Jason8|: your version of debian doesn't have 2.4 in it then
16:42.46n215koollman : I still see gre0 in ifconfig -a
16:43.04cantidon215: if it's down it'll still be listed there
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16:43.21n215I wanna completly remove it
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16:43.43|Jason8|cantido: How would I get it?
16:44.05|Jason8|er, get 2.4 for it?
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16:44.30|Jason8|Linux just.hostname.com 2.6.18-128.1.10.el5xen #1 SMP Thu May 7 11:07:18 EDT 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
16:45.05pickcoderthat's a redhat kernel
16:45.15cantido|Jason8|: what about /etc/debian_version
16:45.15koollmann215: ifdown gre0
16:45.29koollmannot sure it will be enough, depending on how it was set up
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16:45.38|Jason8|cantido: 4.0
16:45.40cantidopickcoder: lots of vps providers run alsorts of distros on the same kernel :/
16:45.44n215ifdown: interface gre0 not configured
16:45.52n215and it still stays there
16:45.55n215maybe reboot
16:46.12pickcodercantido: I know and that will affect libc6 version compat
16:46.19cantidon215: the tools that created it should have a way of removing it
16:46.24cantidopickcoder: true
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16:47.23cantidon215: ip can add/remove GRE tunnels by the look of it
16:48.34Dayiibut I have the image, but there is no option to install it
16:48.37sobersabremacrobat: I recreated the script. the difference is that I'm issuing "ulimit -c unlimited" at some point in the non-working script.
16:48.40sobersabrenow it works.
16:48.44sobersabrethank you.
16:48.51macrobatok :)
16:49.13sobersabreI think this is an obsolete requirement for the daemon I'm starting.
16:49.17cantidoDayii: 1: download cd1, 2: burn it, 3: boot it..
16:49.38cantidoDayii: if you're having problems at this stage you might want to avoid debian really
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16:51.35cantidosobersabre: start-stop-daemon can set limits I think
16:52.17DayiiI burned this CD, but how can I install it thn
16:52.28DayiiI downloaded the 684mb iso
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16:52.47macrobatwhish iso is that Dayii ? :)
16:52.55Dayiimom
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16:53.10macrobatwhich :)
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16:53.17Mac101anyone know howto prevent the license warning msg at the inital lauch of 'screen' from terminal?
16:53.17cantidoDayii: you put it into the cd drive, and restart the machine, maybe force the bios to boot from cd
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16:53.34`^-fsfsfsfsfs-^`!monday
16:53.34dpkgLooks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday
16:53.37Dayiidamn debian runned on my machine
16:53.58Dayiibut I found no option to instal it
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16:54.13cantidoDayii: get the installer image FFS!
16:54.32pickcoderDayii: um.. a "liveCD" is just that.. It runs "live" from the D.
16:54.33pickcoderCD
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16:54.42pickcoder!netinstall
16:54.42dpkgnetinst is, like, a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete.  See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>.  If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>.  See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>.
16:55.07Dayiinormally on livecd is installoption too
16:55.08cantidoDebian doesnt
16:55.09bjorkintoshis there any reason aplay -l works just fine in the console but pretends my sound card is non-existent in X?
16:55.10pickcodernone that I have every used
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16:55.19pickcoder~ever
16:55.46cantidoubuntpoo installs via a livecd arrangement I think
16:56.30pickcoderheh
16:56.32cantidobjorkintosh: are you root in the console?
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16:56.45cahootbjorkintosh: kde?
16:56.47`^-fs|fgs|fdd-^`i got ubuntu stickers that say "linux for morons"
16:57.01bjorkintoshno. just blackbox
16:57.07bjorkintoshcantido, it works as root.
16:57.11bjorkintoshand as bjork
16:57.17bjorkintoshbut only in console
16:57.25cantidobjorkintosh: what applications dont work in X?
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16:57.46papulhi i am currently testing the install of debian on virtual pc.
16:57.51cantidodoes blackbox even have sounds? :\
16:57.55papuli am using businnes card iso
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16:58.11bjorkintoshcantido, aplay -l gives me results in the console
16:58.15bjorkintoshbut i get nothing in an xterm
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16:58.32papuli dont want a gui.
16:58.54cantidobjorkintosh: ah, what does it output in the xterm?
16:59.04cantidopapul: don't install the desktop task then
16:59.07bjorkintoshcantido no devices found.
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17:00.26cantidommm I was expecting it to be pulseaudio or something locking it
17:00.29bjorkintoshbiZZARE!
17:00.40bjorkintoshi just uninstalled pulse*
17:00.44bjorkintoshstill not working.
17:00.50cantidodoes alsamixer do the same thing?
17:01.02bjorkintoshthat works just fine.
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17:01.45cantidook, leaning toward aplay being wonky then
17:01.47papulcantido: when will i get that option?
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17:02.29DouglasI have a software raid 1 set up.. with debian 5.0.2.. i replaced the mobo with a very different one and it doesn't recognize it as bootable.. i boote dto a knoppix cd and tried to mount sda1 and it says unknown filesystem type mdraid
17:02.29bjorkintoshcantido, not just that. mpg321 works fine in console, but misbehaves in X
17:02.30Douglashelp
17:02.39cantidopapul: the installer will came up with a dialog that says "debian installs a base system, most users will want extra stuff, below are a set of common setups",.. or something along those lines
17:03.28cantidopapul: you will have options like desktop system etc there, you probably only want the standard system task,.. that will give you a basic system but with common commandline tools
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17:04.15cantidobjorkintosh: how about vlc? it's weird that alsa mixer work though
17:04.24cahootbjorkintosh: so if you ctrl-alt-f6 or such aplay works?
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17:04.39bjorkintoshcahoot, precisely.
17:04.49bjorkintoshcantido, same problem.
17:04.55cantidoso it's not that the device is busy
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17:05.20bjorkintoshand of course, it works as root regardless. works as anyone in console.
17:05.28bjorkintoshis my X fubared?
17:05.40cantidobjorkintosh: x isn't all that involved in audio
17:05.52bjorkintoshbut which other explanation is there?
17:06.11bjorkintosh%%$# ubuntu.
17:06.26brbrbryeah, canonical distro suxx
17:06.28cantidosome environment variable being set from something in your Xsession possibly?
17:06.45bjorkintoshif it's there, i can't find it.
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17:06.55bjorkintoshmy .xinitrc has blackbox as the only line in it.
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17:08.31cantidobjorkintosh: the bash running inside xterm should be exactly the same as the one runner on the VT really :/
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17:08.42bjorkintoshi know!
17:08.47bjorkintoshso i'm completely puzzled.
17:08.55jhutchinsAnybody know if the current i810 driver is working?
17:09.10cantidojhutchins: X11? Audio?
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17:09.20jhutchinsX11
17:09.46cantidojhutchins: intel driver in unstable hardlocks here, testing and stable are fine
17:09.47brbrbrwhat latest vanilla kernel, working in Lenny ? 2.6.30.5 can ?
17:09.49jhutchinsThere is another distribution that has distributed a non-loadable module, which they are blaming on xorg.
17:10.19cantidojhutchins: kernel module?
17:10.27jhutchinscantido: xorg driver module.
17:10.40jhutchinscantido: Kernel module not required.
17:11.17brbrbrjust x server
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17:11.20cantidojhutchins: there is a kernel interface for the intel driver too.. anyhow, if it's unloadable they shouldn't have ship it, their own fault
17:11.30cantidos/ship/shipped/
17:11.43jhutchinsYeah, pretty dumb, just fall back to the previous build.
17:11.49brbrbrits Canonical "improvement" in past kernel upstreams
17:12.10brbrbrcreppy inTel stuff in kernel ... disgusting
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17:12.30cantidojhutchins: or just test shit :/
17:13.09cantidobrbrbr: there's plent of intel stuff in the kernel, look at all the intel email addresses submitting stuff to the LKML
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17:14.08brbrbri know, that intel upstream 7.5% of toolchain commits ;)
17:14.21brbrbrbut i810 code in kernel ... what for ?
17:14.34cantidobrbrbr: Direct rendering
17:14.42cantidoBrigo: kernel mode setting
17:14.55cantidobrbrbr: that was for you
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17:15.09brbrbrin other words, "for GoogleOS, portable client for Google online-services" ?
17:15.29brbrbranyone knew any other, big project, uses, DirectFB ?
17:16.04brbrbrVESA ftw, btw, IMO
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17:17.25brbrbroh, my bad
17:17.32brbrbrDRI!=FB
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17:17.44brbrbrDRI on i810... omh
17:17.46cantidoyeah, I'll keep my hardware acceleration thanks
17:18.19cantidobrbrbr: i810, now called intel.. ranges from the i810 up to the latest intel chips
17:18.30brbrbrurgently need tea to wake up, finally
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17:19.46griz_rocAnybody here know much about rsyslog?
17:21.20zeroConfyea  a little griz_roc
17:21.24zeroConfwhat ya wanna know
17:22.30zeroConfnotes rsyslog is the default syslog damon on debian lenny, its base config file is rsyslogd.conf in /etc/ hopefully thats all you wanna know....
17:23.04griz_rocI just reinstalled debian; this replaced syslogkd with rsyslog; now the messages aren't being echoed to VT8. Where is that option located?
17:23.05brbrbrmore curious about rinit, just in case anyone use it
17:23.15Martin_vWis it correct that aptitude won't install new recommends when a package is being upgraded?
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17:23.49zeroConfgriz - use the config file i just mentioned but put the destination as/dev/tty8 or whatever you want it to be....
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17:25.12griz_roczC, I have the file open, but I don't see a destination option.
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17:27.13eluxhow do i turn on vim syntax highlighting? syntax on tells me i dont have the option, but ive installed the vim-runtime package..?
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17:27.58Martin_vWelux: sounds like you only have vim-tiny installed
17:28.05Martin_vWrun aptitude install vim
17:28.19eluxyes indeed. thank you
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17:30.38brbrbrwhat can be main point in using yaird install without ramdisk/udev ? performance boost ?
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17:31.18cantidoyaird generates ramdisks..
17:31.46griz_roczeroConf: maybe I should s/\/dev\/xconsole/\/dev\/tty8/ ?
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17:32.09brbrbrso what advantages yaird have ?
17:32.22brbrbrfor what purposes it usable ? embedded ?
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17:33.25cantidobrbrbr: read the docs for it, don't keep asking questions you don't need an answer for.
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17:34.36brbrbryou right, sry. RTFM in that case was correct
17:34.41brbrbrcomply
17:34.58griz_roczeroConf, it worked. Thanks for the help.
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17:46.43djahandarieAnyone ever connected to a WPA2 Enterprise with /etc/network/interfaces ? Got any tips?
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17:48.22ComputerLXDE or XFCE?
17:48.25justindjahandarie: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-EAP
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17:48.52djahandariejustin, will that work with WPA2 as well?
17:48.56justindjahandarie: yes
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17:49.51purplepenguinsComputer: yes
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17:55.47luke1704hello, I cannot install postgresql-8.3 using kernel 2.6.26-2-orion5x. What can I do? How to switch to an older package of postgresql?
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17:56.42abrotmanwhy won't it install?
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17:57.04abrotmanwhat architecture is -orion5x ?
17:57.13luke1704arm
17:57.17luke1704armel?
17:57.30abrotmanlenny?
17:57.33djahandariejustin, What if the network is PEAP instead of TLS? Is that possible?
17:57.49luke1704I takes very look to setup the new cluster
17:57.55abrotmanluke1704: which version of debian ?
17:57.59luke1704I think something is going wrong
17:58.19luke1704Than, later it totally breaks down and I loss the ssh connection
17:58.20abrotmanluke1704: dpkg-architecture .. what is the first line?
17:58.47luke1704yes, lenny
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18:00.43luke1704Cannot find this command
18:01.15luke1704--print-architecture
18:01.16abrotmanluke1704: dpkg --print-architecture
18:01.25luke1704armel
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18:01.46abrotmanwell, postgresql-8.3 does exist for armel
18:02.05luke1704Yes, I already used it for quite a long time
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18:02.16abrotmanyou said you cannot install it
18:02.26luke1704But now either the kernel or the postgresql package aren't up to date
18:02.35luke1704yes
18:02.42abrotmanput the error in a pastebin
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18:02.45luke1704apt-get install postresql fails
18:02.48Dapeamelhi guys can someone help me I installed debian , and I also have windows 7 but when I restart the computer it doesnt loading the bootloader please help me
18:03.10abrotmanluke1704: aptitude install postgresql .. says what ?
18:03.25luke1704abrotman, the messages are all fine
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18:03.54luke1704The last step "init.d/postgresql start" fails
18:03.56abrotmanso what about it doesn't work? is there an error? does pgsql not start ?
18:04.27zeroConfluke - try checking your spelling... apt-cache search sql
18:04.38abrotmanhe said it's installed, it just doesn't start
18:04.41luke1704but I think the error occurs earlier. Creating "the new cluster" takes approx. 5. minutes
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18:04.55zeroConfit wont start unless you edit the conf file properly....
18:05.07abrotmanit should start with the default conf
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18:05.28zeroConfbut not for luke - if luke was obiwan maybe, but luke isnt...
18:05.36luke1704at least the install process should terminate
18:05.55abrotmanluke1704: so if you manually /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 start .. what ahppens ?
18:06.02zeroConfluke it aint installed properly, remove the package and reinstall it
18:06.20luke1704zeroConf, This didn't help
18:06.24zeroConffollow the instructions by obiwan next time... feel the force luke feel the forst
18:06.48abrotmanzeroConf: just be quiet if you don't want to help
18:06.52luke1704my question is if I could use a previous package instead of the actual one
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18:07.23abrotmanput the output of `/etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 restart` in a pastebin
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18:07.25luke1704;-)
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18:07.48peteriusI get an unexpected operator : ] line 61 on startup, I assume its from replacing bash, how can I diagnose?  its after setting cpu governor
18:07.50luke1704ok, this will take a while. I have to restart my system
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18:08.08abrotmanpeterius: line 61 of what?
18:08.18peteriusI don't know abrotman, that's sort of the problem
18:08.26luke1704Is there a change to follow the package history?
18:08.26peteriusits after cpu governor, that's all I know
18:08.34abrotmanpeterius: look in your init scripts, see which one follows that script
18:08.42peteriusI looked but couldn't find it
18:08.53peteriusI mean I looked in rc2 rc3, etc.. nothing at line 61 on anything
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18:11.12abrotmanpeterius: rcS ?
18:11.16peteriusis if [ -f /proc/modules ]; then legal?
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18:11.23Bird|ghostedGRR.  can anyone help me get the broadcom-sta-modules package working on amd64 squeeze (building from source, of course)?
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18:13.35Bird|ghostedhttp://pastebin.com/d36f270da <-- why the blowup from dpkg-genchanges?
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18:14.35peteriusor abrotman, what about if [ $VAR == 1 ]; then?
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18:16.29cvsupwhat default kernel debian 5.02a?
18:16.36devrimgunduzHi #debian. I was wondering how PostgreSQL packages handle multiple version installation in terms of man pages. AFAICS, they are installed under /usr/share/postgresql/$MAJORVERSION/man/man* , and they are symlinked via alternatives.
18:16.49Bird|ghostedcvsup, it's a 2.6.26
18:16.52devrimgunduzSo, what if a new version is installed?
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18:17.19McL0VINhowdy folks, anyone here uses GNS3
18:17.27gubuntuDoes anyone have a suggestion to go about my issue: I have a dropbox ftp account, i want the system to watch that folder and move every new file that hits that folder to another folder
18:18.07peteriusgubuntu, there's several file monitoring daemons
18:18.24gubuntuany good ones i should check first?
18:19.07peteriusI'm not familiar myself
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18:19.46Bird|ghostedhttp://pastebin.com/d36f270da << I get this when I try to install the broadcom-sta-modules under squeeze amd64, am I screwed/stuck with the braindamagedness of ndiswrapper?
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18:21.51x1250Bird|ghosted, did you install the build dependencies?
18:22.02luke1704abrotman, could you have a look on that: http://paste.debian.net/44936/?
18:22.30Bird|ghostedx1250, yeah
18:22.32peteriusabrotman, thanks anyway, I found it, I got the checkbashisms script from apt
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18:22.45luke1704Manually executing the start script doesn't help
18:22.51abrotmanluke1704: do you have data in your DB
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18:23.06luke1704no
18:23.11x1250Bird|ghosted, maybe try compiling a vanilla source?
18:23.16luke1704brand new
18:23.33abrotmanluke1704: purge the package and postgresql-common ?
18:23.37Bird|ghostedx1250, will try vanilla sources for that module from broadcom's site
18:23.46Bird|ghosted(wrapper sources, that is, heh)
18:23.46luke1704I also tried that
18:23.54luke1704No chance
18:24.03luke1704This must be a kernel or package error
18:24.19Bird|ghostedwait a minute...does that driver work at all on amd64 boxen?
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18:24.37luke1704I have tried to go pack to the previous kernel, but this also didn't help
18:24.57luke1704now I am wondering if I could get a previous package of postgresql as well
18:26.02Bird|ghostedanyhow, ig2g, I guess I'll just have to live without wireless until I pull wireless-testing git and compile that (incl. its b43 driver)
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18:26.36Mac101i like this os :D
18:27.03brbrbrASAP, what latest vanilla kernels, working in Lenny ? :/
18:27.52maligorfrom the latest they should all work
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18:28.40brbrbrok. seems im missconfigure my 2.6.30.5 one :/
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18:28.52brbrbrand/or something else :)
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18:29.36maligorbrbrbr, where does it stop?
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18:30.06Withouthi
18:30.22Withouthow can i temp ban if the ip reach connection limit?
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18:31.31JPTWithout: are your searching for "denyhost"?
18:32.02Withoutwithout: yea something like dos-deflate
18:32.08Withoutbut it's not working on my debian
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18:32.27JPThuh?
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18:32.44JPToh...i just read "dos"
18:32.44Withoutcan show me denyhost?
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18:33.51JPTWithout: you should be able to install it via apt-get install denyhosts... if you need more details about it... i think you should read some manpages...i did not read them.
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18:35.23WithoutJPT: denyhosts is protect ssh access?
18:35.37Withouti wanna block port 80 if a user connection over limit
18:35.43JPThmm..port 80..
18:35.53JPTthere is an apache mod for that..
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18:36.09JPTmod_evasive
18:36.14JPThttp://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/08/15/install-mod_evasive-for-apache-to-prevent-ddos-attacks/
18:36.14wildc4rdevenin' all
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18:36.49WithoutJPT: mod_evasive is not useful as it'll still shows the errors means still connected & run away.
18:37.01JPTmh
18:37.07JPTerr...okay..
18:37.11Withoutsomemore i'm not using apache :)
18:37.14Withouton lighttpd
18:37.22JPTmaybe denyhosts is also able to check other ports for DoS..
18:37.26JPTbut i did never try this
18:37.48Withouti checked.. it's mainly for ssh
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19:33.04Buckhi!
19:33.18Buckhow can I allow a user to only log in using ftp and not shell?
19:33.35abrotmanjudd: info ftponly --release lenny
19:33.58abrotmani thought that was the name
19:34.31Buckit is in redhat
19:34.59abrotmanwell, you can set their shell to  /bin/false, and then add that to /etc/shells
19:35.24Buckthat worked
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19:47.20homeyirkahello all, i've updated grub-legacy to grub-pc on debian/testing and now i got following message immediately after grub menu selection:" modprobe: fatal: could not load /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc7-rt1/modules.dep no such file", but the system boots to gdm and seems to run ok, Have anybody some clue, please?
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20:05.59zeroConfhey - is CPAN shell / upgrade the right way to go - or does debian have a ports method like bsd ?
20:06.23gravityzeroConf: There's no ports method, but you might find dh-make-perl useful
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20:06.37gravityzeroConf: I use that instead of straight cpan so that updates happen within the package system
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20:06.54stewzeroConf: many perl modules are in debian packages which can be updated with the debian tools like aptitude/apt-get, otherwise, yeah, use dh-make-perl
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20:07.48zeroConfgravity - ok sounds like the right way to go...
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20:09.38zeroConfi just tried the cpan -e shell method... and it was totally fucked up....
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20:10.48dondelelcarogenerally speaking, if a perl module isn't packaged in Debian, you probably should be asking yourself whether you should be using it
20:11.31dondelelcaro(there are a few useful modules which aren't, but those usually get packaged fairly rapidly)
20:11.50gravitySometimes an upgrade is called for :-)
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20:16.35dondelelcaroyeah; usually in those cases the perl team is on it
20:16.50dondelelcaro(though sometimes you need it in stable, which requires a backport or similar)
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20:17.22gravityYeah, I only use it in stable ubuntu really
20:17.56gravityThe perl team has been absurdly active lately, so I'm not lacking for anything in testing or unstable
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20:28.54zeroConfgrumble grumble - perl: uid 500 is testing Perl 5.010000 syslog(3) capabilities by connecting to a native socket, setting a fake errno: Operation not permitted
20:29.51fas3rwhat the default dbm on a computer wireless card , like a laptop (not an AP ) ? it's 14 - 18 dbm in generaly ?
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20:35.21jsubl2tryin to get vmware modules to compile with 2.6.30 kernel.  any ideas
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20:35.35zeroConfjsubl2 - one idea is not to....
20:35.44zeroConfnot that its my fav idea, just that its an idea
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20:37.59Titan8990_jsubl2, shouldn't be any trouble....
20:38.35jsubl2i get error compiling vmmon
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20:39.03jsubl2it is okay with 2.6.26 kernel
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20:39.25Titan8990_shouldn't be much different other than .30 removing CONFIG_KMOD
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20:39.49Titan8990_but its cool, let me figure out your build error with my psychic powers
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20:40.32Titan8990_and then there is always the question, why not use the kernel that works? what does .30 provide for you that .26 didn't?
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20:41.53jeeves_Mosshow can I set the .htaccess on a directory?  currently, I have someone trying to hammer my ACP page on my board
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20:42.23Titan8990_jeeves_Moss, .htaccess is dir specific, it applies to the dir you put it in
20:42.39Titan8990_jeeves_Moss, or you can use the <Directory></Directory> in the vhost config
20:42.53jeeves_MossTitan8990, ok, so you just create a .htaccess in the directory you're protecting?
20:42.58Titan8990_jeeves_Moss, yes
20:43.14jeeves_MossTitan8990, what would the file's syntax be?  can you reccomend a URL?
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20:44.03Titan8990_jeeves_Moss, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/htaccess.html
20:44.09Titan8990_the official docs are quite nice
20:44.39usser1hehey, can somebody link me to list of repos for lenny?
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20:44.46jeeves_MossTitan8990, thank you.  Hopefully I can prevent this little box from getting hammered
20:44.52usser1ie official repos
20:45.19Titan8990_usser1, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
20:45.29felix_da_catzIs there a way I can figure out how much swap space a program is using?
20:45.41Titan8990_usser1, mirror.anl.gov is win if your in the u.s.
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20:47.59usser2sorry can somebody link me to a list of official repos for lenny, installed from cd with no network connection
20:48.07jeeves_MossTitan8990, ok, I'm even more lost now!!!  I just need it to access the current .htaccess file I have set up the the <site_root>/stats/ page.  I looked in the /stats directory, and it's not in there
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20:49.21usser2can somebody tell me the contents of their /etc/apt/sources.list
20:49.26Titan8990_jeeves_Moss, are you sure you used .htaccess?
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20:49.40jeeves_MossTitan8990, that's the problem.  I didn't set it up
20:49.47Titan8990_jeeves_Moss, you could have restricted access in the vhost config or httpd.conf as well
20:49.49valdyn!sources.list
20:49.49dpkgThe list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code.  Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list.  Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
20:49.52valdynusser2: ^^
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20:50.08jeeves_MossTitan8990, I had a look in the vhost access, and there's nothing
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20:50.32Titan8990_jeeves_Moss, how is access to that path restricted? require password?
20:51.20jeeves_MossTitan8990, how can I find that out?  I know when I access the /stats/ page on the root, it asks for a user/pass
20:52.12Titan8990_jeeves_Moss, im guessing whoever set this up has left the company and left no documentation?
20:52.29jeeves_MossTitan8990, lol, more like escorted out of the building by the RCMP
20:53.01Titan8990_not uncommon for companies to get rid of people that have knowledge required to keep the system ticking...
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20:53.11Titan8990_pastebin your vhost config
20:53.18usser2valdyn: thank you
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20:53.51xenteit seems the latest kernel image doesn't include support for radeon direct rendering. Could someone tell me where it has gone?
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20:55.44linXeaDoes anyone have experience with setting up IMAP on Cone mail-client?
20:55.48vaqCan I resize a ext3 partition without booting into a live cd?
20:55.57vaq(the partition is mounted as /
20:56.18chellomere_no
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20:56.47chellomere_vaq, ext3 does not support online resizing.
20:57.02vaqcrap
20:57.08xentecan someone tell me where the radeon binaries have gone in testing?
20:58.19JyZyXELcan you allow scp file uploading without giving a user a working shell?
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20:58.27G69Boas.
20:58.30JyZyXELto replace the crappy ftp
20:59.26xenteanyone?
20:59.28jimcooncatJyZyXEL: I don't remember the names but there are a couple of shell replacements just for that
20:59.57JyZyXELrssh - Restricted shell allowing only scp, sftp, cvs, rsync and/or rdist
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21:00.51jimcooncatjimcooncat: also scponly
21:01.04jimcooncatJyZyXEL: also scponly
21:01.07jimcooncatoops
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21:04.52JyZyXELman they don't work at all
21:06.53jimcooncatJyZyXEL: there's also chroot jails
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21:07.04JyZyXELyea well it didn't work
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21:07.16JyZyXELthe un chrooted version works
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21:08.45JyZyXELError skipping startup message. Your shell is probably incompatible with the application (BASH is recommended).
21:10.55xentedoes anyone know how to get radeon direct rendering with the latest kernel image in squeeze?
21:13.18xente?
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21:13.40karmechellomere_: ext3 does support online resizing for quite some time
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21:14.14JyZyXELyou means has supported?
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21:14.33chellomere_karme, ... oh?
21:14.48JyZyXELits also should be quite stable and safe
21:14.57chellomere_karme, yes, apparently I was wrong.
21:15.08chellomere_vaq, I was wrong.
21:15.21karmechellomere_: puh - good - i just thought i missed something ;-)
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21:19.04castnote when people say resizing they only mean expanding
21:19.58JyZyXELgod fucking damnit
21:20.10JyZyXELall this scp only shells fuck up when you enable chrooting
21:20.41castopenssh has chroot support now doesn't it?
21:20.47castand why chroot?
21:21.47JyZyXELlogfacility = LOG_USER
21:21.54JyZyXELwhat the hell
21:22.01JyZyXELwhere does the log go
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21:22.50arcskyanyone know a cmd for check when a file is created?
21:23.18karmearcsky: parser error
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21:24.08arcskyhmm dont understand your answer, can you take it again ;)
21:24.24karmearcsky: i didn't understand your question :-))
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21:24.33arcskyk
21:24.33JPTstat <file>?
21:24.41castarcsky: ctime is in the inode..what JPT said
21:24.45arcskyyeah with stat, but i dont see that time there
21:24.51karmearcsky: do you mean when a file was created - or do you want to do something if a file is created (in a directory)?
21:25.24arcskyjust created
21:25.29arcskyaaved for first time
21:25.33arcskysaved*
21:25.41castuh, sorry, ctime isnt' creation time :(
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21:30.39simonrvnit's change time, not creation time. creation time is a windows-/mac-ism
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21:31.07karmectime is closest you get to creation time
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21:32.56\amethystmtime is usually closer to creation time than ctime is
21:33.10\amethystany time mtime is updated, ctime is too; but the reverse is not true
21:33.27simonrvnkarme: no, it's not. it can change
21:33.36simonrvnso can mtime
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21:34.14JyZyXELholy shit the scp just wasn't meant to be chrooted
21:34.22JyZyXELits rediculously hard to get work that way
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21:35.44karmesimonrvn: i did not say it is equal - my thought was that it is closest you get - but maybe even that was wrong
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21:40.57klarkchi!
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21:43.22DassuHmm
21:43.32DassuIs it possible to start gdm/fluxbox before udev has started ?
21:43.56Dassualso does Debian go like     runevel:0 -> 2
21:44.00Dassuduring normal boot
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21:45.28klarkcI can't install brasero? broken system? http://pastebin.com/m3b195807 http://pastebin.com/m306d7218
21:45.32\amethystsed -e 's/.*\(http:[^[:space:]]*\).*/\1/p   to extract everything from http to the next space or end of line
21:45.35\amethystdoh
21:45.53poisonbitwhich -b is recomended nowdays to use, for ssh-keygen -t rsa ?  4096 ?
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21:46.31klarkcits says to remove gnome
21:46.48ajavidpoisonbit, default
21:47.38ajavidso no need really
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21:49.25ajavidpoisonbit, why do u want bigger key?
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21:49.54poisonbiti'm developing something like an "agent", for a perl app, that works over ssh
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21:50.55poisonbiti need a limited user in the remote system, with shh key copyed, to run the app agent on the other side, without passwds
21:51.07poisonbitbut i want to secure the config at a good level
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21:51.54ajavidthis encryption comes at a price: CPU overhead for encrypting the traffic
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21:52.02ajavidhigher = higher cpu
21:52.22ajaviddo u really need it?
21:52.25poisonbiti know that factor
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21:52.47poisonbiti think that machines, needs more the security, than the free cpu
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21:52.57ajavidok
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21:53.31poisonbitanyway, netfilter and ebtables are also protecting the tunnel :)
21:53.52poisonbiti'm using the master mode of ssh
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21:54.17poisonbitto stablish only once the conectión, and then reuse the channel for the follow paralell conections
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21:55.32poisonbitthat Xeons has a lot of iddle cpu, i think i'm going to 4096
21:56.55ajavidstablish?
21:56.57ajavid:)
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21:57.07ajavidoh man that was great.  I needed that.
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21:57.30poisonbiter sorry, my english sucks,  establish (like in iptables :)
21:57.38ajavidno problem, my english too sucks
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21:57.54poisonbiti'm trying to optimize the ssh config for the app user
21:58.04ajavidwhat are you making?
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21:58.06daemonhey all, I have an asus eeepc so im suing the ebian-eeepc image
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21:58.12daemonI can't seem to get wireless to work though
21:58.19poisonbitPreferredAuthentications should be set to publickey in first place ?
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21:58.47dragonflyok, so I"m trying to use madwifi drivers on my Debian box here and it has worked before, but is not working now...more information to follow:
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21:59.02daemonI did the following: apt-get rt2860-source; m-a prepare; m-i a-i rt2860; modprobe rt2860sta
21:59.09ajavidpoisonbit, its already
21:59.12daemonI still have no network interface showing up
21:59.18ajavidpoisonbit, hostbased,publickey,keyboard-interactive,password < default
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21:59.53poisonbitgssapi-with-mic, hostbased, publickey, keyboard-interactive, password   <- in lenny amd64
22:00.07poisonbitif i avoid two steps,.... should improve the latency ?
22:00.28dragonflyI worked (and still does - or did before i started messing with it today) when i boot the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel, but isn't working under the 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 kernel.....i have made no changes to the stock kernel and when i try to use the module-assistant commands to load the module I get an error about enabling wireless extensions in the kernel....a look in the kernel shows that they are enabled.....any ideas?
22:00.29ajavidPubkeyAuthentication yes
22:00.33azmhi. Where can be the problem if Im getting "direct rendering: yes" but cant run simple 3d game(just two fps)  and youtube pls?
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22:00.47ajavidazm, glxinfo|grep render
22:00.49Agiofwshello
22:01.09ajavidazm, what is your gfx card? install pciutils and lspci |grep -i vga
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22:01.19ajavidAgiofws, hey long time no see
22:01.21azmajavid, direct rendering: Yes OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 TCL
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22:01.39ajavidazm, you're good to do
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22:01.57ajavidazm, check the game settings, you may have set stuff too high
22:02.03ajavidazm, whats the problem with youtube?
22:02.08azmslow
22:02.11azmas the game
22:02.24azmthe video is like pciture for 10 seconds
22:02.31ajavidso its buffering?
22:02.35azmno
22:02.40azmI have wins too
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22:02.46azmand everything allright
22:02.49azmfast
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22:03.20ajavidwhat gfx card do you have?
22:03.32ajavidalso pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
22:03.41azm05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Sapphire X550 Silent]
22:03.44Holle_i tried to build some sources but got an error with an empty log file. where could i look for the problem?
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22:04.08ajavidazm, do you have xorg.conf? pastebin it. Which AccelMethod are you using?
22:04.38azmsec.
22:04.38pickcoderHolle_: without a package name, error info, or some other clue who's to know
22:05.09Holle_i tried the first steps from this tutorial: http://gnugalaxy.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/at-last-the-old-webcam-logitech-quickcam-web-works-on-my-debian-box/
22:05.44azmhttp://pastebin.com/m60665f19
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22:06.07azmI dont know which accel method Im using
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22:06.26pickcoderHolle_: if it's an spca5xx cam there are already drivers for it in the repos
22:06.32bcolenjis xfs a generally stable filesystem?
22:06.35pickcoderif it's a UVC cam, have fun with it
22:06.38Holle_the command "m-a build qc-usb" throws the error messag: "build of the package qc-usb-source failed!" with an empty log file.
22:06.44pickcoderLinux still doesn't support UVC that well
22:06.58Holle_what ist uvc`?
22:07.23Holle_the type of the webcam is: Logitech Quickcam Web
22:07.35pickcodera "common" camera platform that has yet to be stabilized
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22:07.50pickcoderHolle_: what does dmesg say when you plug it in
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22:08.28azmajavid, I prolly havent xorg.conf
22:08.46ajavidazm, pastebin xorg.conf?
22:08.49azmI pasted that log ^
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22:09.33ajavid(==) RADEON(0): Using XAA acceleration architecture
22:09.37ajavidpossible problem
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22:09.47Holle_when pluggin it in nothing happens. i installed debian lenny net install without everything else.
22:10.02pickcoderHolle_: you have to run 'dmesg' to see the activity log
22:10.09Holle_oh sorry
22:10.09pickcoderor lsusb -v
22:10.25pickcoderdmesg should show drivers being loaded too, if possible
22:10.27ajavidazm, if you don't already have xorg.conf, create one with X -configure, make sure your option is  -- Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
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22:10.54Holle_new usb device found, idvendor=046d, idproduct=0850
22:11.01ajavidazm, or simply create the relvant section and use that option
22:11.03Holle_product: camera
22:11.07azmajavid, I can see just folder modules in xorg folder
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22:11.34ajavidazm, then create one with X -configure
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22:11.46azmajavid, just this line?
22:11.59ajavidazm, copy it, or the relvent section to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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22:12.14ajavid"X -configure"
22:12.20azmah I see
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22:13.29Holle_pickcoder: do you need more information?
22:13.31azmajavid, I get : Server is already active for display zero...
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22:14.24azmshould I do it in console without running X ?
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22:14.35pickcoderHolle_: nope. I can't help.
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22:15.11daemonCan someone aide me in installing the rt2860 driver for my eeepc
22:15.17ajavidazm, X -configure :1
22:15.18Holle_could you help me to build the package from the link?
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22:15.25daemonits meant to be automatically installed by the eeepc installer image
22:15.29daemonbut appeasr to not have been
22:15.30pickcoderthe link is for Ubuntu
22:15.56Holle_oh, i didn't saw that.
22:16.04pickcoderyou can try building the package by hand from the source
22:16.22pickcoderif m-a isn't providing errors then I dunno what to tell you
22:16.23Holle_i don't know how to do this.
22:17.02Holle_"m-a build" throws an error and i don't know why.
22:17.06pickcodermake sure you have installed build-essential
22:17.06ajavidazm, I don't see anything in your log file except the AccelMethod being xaa.  Instead it should be EXA for your card
22:17.10azmajavid, I have still just modules in /usr/lib/xorg but when I whereis xorg.conf it shows this way
22:17.32ajavidazm, what are you having problem with?
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22:17.47Holle_how could i check this`?
22:17.58azmthe xorg.conf doesnt seems to be here ajavid
22:18.11pickcoderHolle_: try to install it?
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22:18.22Holle_apt-get -install build-essential?
22:18.35pickcoderaptitude install build-essential
22:18.49ajavidazm, as root,  X -configure :1. It will generate xorg.conf.new in your current directory, copy that to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
22:19.15ajavidazm, if you read... it tells you
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22:19.50Holle_it says "build-essential has no installation candidate"
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22:20.47pickcoderHolle_: cat /proc/debian_version
22:20.51pickcoderer
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22:21.08pickcoderneeds to go home
22:22.14Holle_"cat /proc/debian_version" no such file...
22:22.25Titan8990Holle_, cat /etc/issue
22:22.34Holle_"/etc/debian_version" permission denied
22:22.36pickcoderHolle_: I mean /etc
22:22.40pickcoderO_o
22:22.43pickcoderare you root?
22:22.44azmajavid, if I use that command I dont get new xorg.conf. When I try to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf its empty and I get errors in console
22:23.00dwarder!version
22:23.00dpkgKernel: uname -r.  Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1.  Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_.  Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version.  Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
22:23.00w0rmh0leI am a version 1.1.0 PyBorg
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22:23.18azmhttp://pastebin.com/m48ad2fd4
22:23.19Holle_Debian GNU/Linus 5.0
22:23.33pickcoderthat's not what should be there
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22:23.39pickcoderdpkg -l libc6
22:23.40dpkgNo packages found matching libc6
22:23.41Titan8990Holle_, aptitude update
22:23.59Holle_running
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22:24.03Titan8990pickcoder, thats what it says for lenny, aside from linux being spelled wrong....
22:24.28dwarderHolle_: lsb_release -a, may work too
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22:24.28Holle_sorry, for the typing error.
22:24.30pickcoderTitan8990: not after I did an upgrade from Etch.
22:24.37pickcoderIt changed to 5.0
22:24.41pickcoderjust 5.0
22:24.56Titan8990pickcoder, we are talking about /etc/issue
22:24.59dwarderHolle_: yes it is working
22:25.05Titan8990pickcoder, not debian_version
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22:25.14Holle_could this help with my webcam? http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/
22:25.17pickcoderugh
22:25.29Titan8990pickcoder, debian_version is worthless IMO as the classic way of identifying a distro work just fine
22:25.32Holle_vendor/product id matches and my cam is supported.
22:25.48daemonCan anyone help me installing the linux RT2860 drivers on lenny
22:25.49pickcoderTitan8990: provided they're not running Ubuntu with Debian sources
22:25.53pickcoderor vice versa
22:26.01Titan8990true
22:26.25azmajavid, Did I something wrong?
22:26.37Titan8990Holle_, aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential
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22:26.59Holle_current status: 136 updates... finished.
22:27.01pickcoderregardless, build-essential has been available for several releases
22:27.13pickcoderI have no idea why it's giving "no candidate" for installation
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22:27.35Titan8990pickcoder, probably going to end up lacking sources
22:27.40Titan8990pickcoder, or turned out to be a typo
22:28.10Titan8990pickcoder, since i think the user is typing error messages as opposed to copy as paste (based on mispelling of linux in /etc/issue)
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22:28.17Holle_now it updates several packages
22:28.43Titan8990Holle_, aptitude install build-essential
22:28.49Holle_yes
22:29.01Titan8990and its now installed?
22:29.09Holle_it runs...
22:29.18Titan8990what runs?
22:29.36Titan8990aptitude?
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22:29.57Holle_aptitude install build-essential. there are some package dependices.
22:30.13pickcoderwhich is probably why m-a build failed
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22:31.22Titan8990Holle_, install them? i still don't understand the problem
22:31.30Titan8990!tell Holle_ about ask
22:32.18Holle_at the moment there isn't any problem. aptitude install build-essential runs and installs many packages.
22:32.31Holle_cpp libgomp g++ ...
22:32.52pickcoderit's kinda hard to compile a driver module without gcc
22:33.16pickcoderand unfortunately, that how-to left out the most important bit there about "build-essential"
22:33.17Titan8990Holle_, idk the original problem, and i heard camera so ima run away not and leave you with pickcoder
22:33.22larrikinlinuxhq's kernel browser isn't working, anyone have a good alternative ?
22:33.35Kobazhow do i set my own local ntpd as authorative
22:33.51Titan8990larrikin, kernels.org?
22:33.51pickcoderHolle_: when it's done rerun m-a prepare, m-a build, and then m-a install
22:34.00Holle_i hava a logitech quick cam web an wan
22:34.04Titan8990larrikin, sorry, kernel.org
22:34.10Holle_'t to use it whith debian.
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22:34.29larrikinTitan8990: thanks, I'll have a look.. does it show diffs etc ?
22:35.00pickcoderyou may also want the qc-usb-utils after you get the driver working
22:35.06Titan8990larrikin, no, just downloads and changelogs
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22:35.32Holle_how could i get the free space of my harddisk?
22:35.41Titan8990Holle_, df -h
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22:36.36Holle_should i restart the system after update?
22:36.52Titan8990Holle_, update is not the same as upgrade
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22:37.08Titan8990Holle_, update refreshes your package lists, upgrade actually upgrades the packages
22:37.18pickcoderHolle_: you don't have to, unless you received a kernel update
22:37.19Titan8990Holle_, reboots are only needed after kernel upgrades
22:37.48Holle_now it finished. i'll try to build again.
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22:37.54viricHello all debianers
22:37.57viricAnyone using debian on arm?
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22:38.55abhorielim using armel
22:38.56abhorielwhy?
22:39.07Kobazanykne know how i set my own local ntpd as authorative?  It's always in alarm even though it can connect just fine it the upstream ntp servers
22:39.09viricI have problems with the gcc distributed
22:39.19viricabhoriel: I try to build glibc, and the test for "-fexceptions" in gcc fails.
22:39.32abhorielah
22:39.38viricI think that gcc is broken
22:39.39abhorielthat is not something I can help you with, sorry
22:39.44Holle_building failed again. with empty log file :/
22:39.46abhorielyeah it looks like it
22:39.58viricbut - hey - the debianers built the glibc.
22:40.02viricI don't know ohw.
22:40.03virichow.
22:40.51daemonis 2.6.26-2-686 an old kernel?
22:40.52daemonfor lenny
22:41.14pickcoderit should be the current
22:41.21daemonok
22:41.28Kobazdaemon: considering 2.6.30.5 is out... 2.6.26 is a little old, heh
22:41.34RichiH!pdo
22:41.34dpkghttp://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents.  Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts.  Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
22:41.39brbrbrgreet all
22:41.40RichiHdaemon: ^
22:41.45brbrbr2.6.26-18 last ?
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22:43.07Holle_i can't build the file. could i use this driver instead: http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ or is it the same?
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22:51.46Holle_is it possible to install debian on a 512 mb cf card?
22:52.39Titan8990i would say yes, but you wouldn't be able to do much
22:52.52Titan8990could probably get some kind of window manager going
22:53.17k[tfuk, finally...
22:53.27brbrbrtry embed small liveCD's instead of isntalled debian ;)
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22:53.45brbrbrlike DSL/Puppy/SLax and of course, Knoppix :)
22:53.47k[tomg, noooo... now the window manager does not extend to screen 2
22:53.57k[t>:-|
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22:57.50Holle_i don't need a window manager. the pc doesn't has a cd-drive. so i need a small linux that runs on my 512 mb cf or from a usb-stick and that supports my webcam. i wan'T to use this pc as server for the cam.
22:59.01brbrbrim meant you can make liveCD images, working from SD/CF cards
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22:59.29Holle_but i can'T save my settings in an live image.
22:59.35brbrbrim not good in that, but someone can point good link to article for that, i hope. google, maybe ;)
22:59.42brbrbrdepend distro
22:59.50brbrbron puppy, for example, you can
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23:00.55brbrbrbtw debian can be installed to 512 storage, but for such simple purpose it take many time, to get things together
23:01.41Holle_that mean debian ist to complex for such a "simple" task?
23:01.59Titan8990Holle_, debian is not complex
23:02.04brbrbrno, its mean, many manual work :)
23:02.07Titan8990Holle_, #gentoo for complexity
23:02.11brbrbrand debian best 4 that :)
23:02.38Holle_so the netinst image that i taken is ok?
23:02.57brbrbryou can use ordinary image, just install "minimal" set
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23:03.08brbrbrand then tune it up for you needs
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23:04.01brbrbrwithout nimerous apps, services[such as X] and etc ;)
23:04.20Holle__but the problem is still the driver for my webcam.
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23:06.26azmajavid, thanks for help. I dint know that new conf is created in /root file. with EXA the game and youtube is better but still useless due to small fps
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23:06.48Holle__i will reinstall debian an then i'll try to get my webcam work with this driver: http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/
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23:07.25Holle__i don't have an internet connection during installation because i have to use vpnc. is this a problem?
23:07.44Titan8990Holle_, it is if you want to use netinst
23:08.03brbrbrin some cases you may need rebuild kernel, if you v4l webcam module is out in default kernel :/
23:08.05Holle__i used netinst. so that wasn't good?
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23:08.36Titan8990Holle_, you can't download the packages needed for installation w/o an internet connection
23:08.38Holle__brbrbr: how could i check this?
23:09.06Holle__Titan8990: But the installation finished successfully
23:09.18brbrbrcheck what module support you webcam and try "modprobe #name of webcam module#" in console
23:09.37brbrbrp.s. with root-alike priveleges
23:10.08brbrbrif its load, all ok and [very possibly] you dont need build custom kernel
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23:12.39iareyezHi everyone
23:12.50brbrbrhi :)
23:13.16brbrbrguy, hide you hostname ip :) its not safe practice :)
23:13.35iareyezme??
23:13.46dondelelcarobrbrbr: uh... it's not like someone couldn't figure it out anyway
23:13.57dondelelcaroand it's kind of off topic here, anyway
23:14.35brbrbrof course, im just try point serious potential problem :)
23:14.40brbrbrsry 4 off
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23:19.11ajavidazm, join #radeon and consult there perhaps, I'm not sure if its video related.  What does glxgears do at fullscreen?
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23:22.17Titan8990azm, or try compiling iceweasel 3.0.12 from squeeze source repos
23:22.26crzedmonkwhat is the best dvd movie player for linux?
23:22.34crzedmonkI am running into problems with totem
23:22.46Titan8990what kind of problems?
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23:23.02crzedmonkdoes not load right
23:23.08brbrbrbest way to lauch DOS-based game is something like DOSBox ? without bother with quemu/KVM. what best front-end for DOS Box ? :/
23:23.08crzedmonkdo I have to enable it in linux?
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23:23.32Titan8990crzedmonk, can you be more descriptive?
23:23.35brbrbrcrzedmonk, depend prefs. im use SMplayer
23:23.50brbrbr"in general", all works
23:23.57azmajavid Titan8990 , will do. Now I need some sleep. cia
23:24.00brbrbreven VLC :P
23:24.01_2ummm there should not have been any change on my debian etch system but now all i get when logging in through gdm is "your session only lasted less than 10 seconds..."  for any account  ?
23:24.22_2what might be the root of that issue ?
23:24.45brbrbrxauth problem, im guess ?
23:25.02brbrbrafter uninstalling prorpietary GFX driver, maybe ? :)
23:25.02Titan8990brbrbr, can't you do: dosbox <gamefile>?
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23:25.23brbrbrTitan8890: im try, tnx
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23:25.56brbrbr_2 this happen on ALL DE's ?
23:26.09brbrbreven in "failsafe terminal" ?
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23:27.13oh_noesis there a filesystem that can grow automatically (on reboot) with a VMware size increase?
23:27.19oh_noeswill LVM + Ext3 be enough?
23:27.26nevynno.
23:27.27_2brbrbr only have one  ;/   gnome
23:27.35nevynyou've gotta do stuff. to expand it.
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23:27.43_2brbrbr but i did find an error message   sort of..  mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission denied
23:27.50cantidooh_noes: just make a big fs to start with
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23:28.08nevynoh_noes: what's the problem you're trying to solve?
23:28.09Titan8990cantido, i do the opposite when working with lvm
23:28.10cantidooh_noes: vmware will grow the image when it actually needs the space
23:28.14brbrbrtry load Debian in Single-mode[other point in bootloader] and check logs, after "startx"
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23:28.31brbrbrp.s. under current user, not root, of course
23:28.56cantidoTitan8990: you mean give vmware an lvm device?
23:29.01nevyncantido: what he's saying is if he makes a 50gig filesystem in vmware now and later makes it 100gig cna it be expanded.
23:29.10nevynTitan8990: I'm with you
23:29.19nevynTitan8990: however.. I use thin provisioning often.
23:29.22brbrbrgrow automatically ? maybe Ext4/btrfs ? :)
23:29.26nevynI wish lvm did thin provisioning
23:29.38cantidonevyn: no, he asked if there was one that did it automatically, and there isn't
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23:29.46_2brbrbr hmmm works for superuser   must be a perms issue
23:29.48nevynext3 and lvm can grow filesystems online.
23:30.00nevyncantido: you're right.
23:30.04cantidonevyn: but if he makes a 100gb fs in a vmware disk image it'll still only consume the data that's inside the fs
23:30.06brbrbr_2 like i suspect its xauth issue.
23:30.19nevyncantido: depends how it's provisioned but yes.
23:30.36nevynI had to thick provision a bunch of vmdk's yesterday...
23:30.37cantidowith lvm, dunno, never done it that way
23:30.50nevynthis made me sad.
23:30.58nevynbut I sorta get it.
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23:31.15cantidoI always used to make small virtualbox images, and then you realise how much of a ball ache it is to grow them and just create big images from the start
23:31.24nevyncantido: sure.
23:31.29nevyndisk is cheap etc.
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23:31.43Titan8990cantido, i may if i was virtualizing servers for production
23:32.04cantidowell your vm thinks it has million gigs of disk space.. the image is still only a few gigs on real disk
23:32.07odinsbaneI can ssh into a computer and I can ssh from that computer to the compter I want to access, is there a way to use sshfs on the second computer?
23:32.15nevyncantido: not if they're thick provisioned.
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23:32.34_2brbrbr /tmp got hosed.    i must have done something stupid befor logout last time...   hummm    anyway  ty
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23:32.39cantidonevyn: you mean non-dynamic disk images?
23:32.49nevyncantido: yeah
23:32.56cantidoTitan8990: for production use a fixed disk size from the start
23:33.03Titan8990odinsbane, you may be able to by tunneling the ssh session
23:33.18qopuhm, how can I ask dpkg to list all packages installed that contain the word 'foo'?
23:33.34fas3rwhat's the best ap instead of Cisco Aironet :) ... i use Colubris actualy if you have idea
23:33.34qopequivalent to rpm -qa | grep foo
23:33.42cantidoTitan8990: if you need a vm with x GB of disk space, allocate it, then you won't get issues with VM's wanting to write into space you no longer have ;)
23:33.57brbrbr_2 for "quick and dirt solution" create another user ;)
23:34.09odinsbaneTitan8990: Ill give it a shot
23:34.17brbrbrps. with profile, rights and etc. full-blown
23:34.20Titan8990!tell odinsbane about stunnel
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23:34.48cantidonevyn: yeah,.. well there's no fs that automagically grows disks, so you either create big fses inside dynamic images or get storage that's big enough to allocate the space you need from the start
23:35.03oh_noesnevyn: Im trying to create a mount point, that a customer can easily just shutdown a VM, increase the size of a virtual disks and the OS will happily resize it
23:35.03macrobatqop aptitude install ~nfoo
23:35.17_2brbrbr heh  nah   just  chmod 1777 /tmp   all is well now
23:35.26cantido_2: have you tried dropping into the failsafe xterm thingy and running your DE manually
23:35.37Titan8990oh_noes, ... i think what you need are quotas
23:35.53_2cantido it's fixed
23:35.55qopmacrobat: uhm, I dont have aptitude
23:35.55abrotmanor dpkg -l *foo* ?
23:36.03qopah, tha ty :)
23:36.04macrobatqop. aptitude search foo | grep ^i
23:36.05abrotman"*foo*" i supose
23:36.10qopoks
23:36.20oh_noesTitan8990: why?
23:36.25macrobatsry, my first suggestion was wrong
23:36.27brbrbr_2 good to hear, all ok :)
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23:36.56Titan8990oh_noes, because it sounds to me like quotas will accomplish what you are trying to do by limiting partition size
23:37.25oh_noesTitan8990: im not trying to limit the size.   Im shipping a VM that 10GB
23:37.40cantidooh_noes: and you want to compress it?
23:37.42oh_noesI want the end user to be able to shut it down, increase the size in ESX, then when it boots to have the new size
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23:37.47Holle_brbrbr: i tried modeprobe pwc and it works. but there is no video device when pluggin in the webcam.
23:37.58oh_noesat the moment, I have the user shutting it down, then booting into gparted and extending it
23:37.59_2i know what happened.  i have ~/tmp/  symlinked to /tmp/  and foolishly did a chown ~/*  last session  or was it chown -R ~     but at any rate i found it.
23:38.03Titan8990oh_noes, you want end users that have that kind of control?
23:38.15oh_noesbut I thought maybe LVM + Ext3 might be able to 'auto extend/resize' it
23:38.25cantidooh_noes: if the data inside the disk image is only 10gb it will compress down to around that size, you don't need to do that stuff
23:38.31Titan8990oh_noes, but you could just have a system where they increase the size of their quota
23:38.34brbrbrHolle_ maybe you lack some other, v4l or webcam-related , things ?
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23:38.41Gratz474anyon here use xen?
23:38.50brbrbrHolle_ how do you test you webcam ?
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23:39.33abrotmanGratz474: please ask your real question
23:39.38oh_noesTitan8990: sorry i dont think you understand my problem
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23:39.49Gratz474i mean how different is the performance of an xen sever vs a native one ?
23:39.57cantidooh_noes: you have a big vm that you want to send to someone right?
23:40.00Holle_with palantir: "error: cannot open video device /dev/video0..."
23:40.33qopHolle_: chmod 777 /dev/video0
23:40.36qopretry
23:40.47abrotmanoh hell no
23:40.50abrotmanthat's just wrong
23:41.06qoplols kinda,,, but for testing :)
23:41.11Holle_no such file or dir...
23:41.19abrotmanand then what? he still won't know how to do it right
23:41.29qopHolle_: ls /dev/vid*
23:41.41abrotmanHolle_: do you have a webcam ?
23:41.54cantidoGratz474: on x86 machines with hardware support it's meant to be close to native, but I think it depends a lot on the workload
23:42.02Holle_no such file...
23:42.10Holle_abrotman: yes :)
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23:42.22Holle_logitech quickcam web
23:42.28Gratz474cantido, i cant find anything on this
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23:42.44Gratz474i mean is it ever more then a 10 percent hit cantido or prolly not ?
23:42.54Holle_vendorID=046d, productID=0850
23:43.09cantidoGratz474: the kvm site has docs on how the hardware vm stuff works, if you read that you can make your own mind up
23:43.20Gratz474still
23:43.23cantidoGratz474: it depends on the workload..
23:43.28abrotmanHolle_: is it usb? did you install the qc driver ?
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23:43.47Gratz474cantido, some sites are saying 2 percent
23:43.52Holle_how do i install the qc driver?
23:44.20Holle_do you mean this: http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/
23:45.18cantidoGratz474: but for what type of application? if you have an app that doesn't need any disk io and never does anything that causes the real os to be called to handle something it will run 100%..
23:45.23oh_noescantido: nope.  I have a small VM I want to send someone, but I want to be able to 'support' increasing it's size.  At the moment, I get them to increase size, THEN boot into gparted and resize.  I thought maybe using LVM might help with an 'auto resize'
23:45.29qopGoogle say that you need sn9c102 Holle_
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23:45.57Gratz474cantido, web and db server
23:46.01qopHolle_: lsmod | grep sn9
23:46.08cantidooh_noes: lvm can be used to manage space on disks better, but it doesn't magically make the fs dynamic
23:46.14brbrbrhe leaves
23:46.26brbrbrwair for Holle_ return
23:46.27brbrbr)
23:46.42brbrbroh
23:46.43nevynoh_noes: you can do it online with lvm and ext3
23:46.45brbrbrim missed
23:46.52nevynie you don't boot some special image or anything
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23:47.38cantidoGratz474: ok, so if you have one vm running on your box it will be pretty close to native speed, as soon as you add more vm's expect performance to start dropping
23:47.57rgrnevyn: doesnt that depend on certain fs attributes being set at install time?
23:48.10Gratz474i mean say i have 8 provessors and give each one its own processor cantido
23:48.21Holle_how could i scroll in terminal?
23:49.31qopHolle_: Shift+Up Page
23:49.44nsadminjudd pciid 046d:0850
23:49.45juddnsadmin: [046d:0850] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=046d:0850
23:49.57Titan8990pipe your ouput through less:   <command> | less
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23:50.34qopHolle_: yup, ej: lsmod | grep sn9 | less
23:50.36cantidoGratz474: sure, but they all still share the same memory, disk io.. you have to test it and find if it works for you really. A lot of people are told to install vm software by managers to up utilization and then response times go through the roof ;)
23:50.49nsadminjudd pciid 0850:046d
23:50.50juddnsadmin: [0850:046d] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0850:046d
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23:51.14brbrbrHolle_ pgup and pgdown should work
23:51.15Holle_what does less?
23:51.20Gratz474cantido, looks like the latest xen has a bunch of performance improvements as well
23:51.22nsadminman less
23:51.25nsadminand see :)
23:51.30qopHolle_: man -f less
23:51.36Gratz474cantido, loooks like even under high loooad it looks like its onlly a 5-10 percent loss if that
23:51.42Holle_no manual entry for less
23:51.56qopinfo less
23:51.58nsadminmaybe you don't have less installed
23:52.33qopuhm, isnt less part of coreutils?
23:52.38beardy!installit
23:52.38dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already.  If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it.  Also ask me about <search>.  If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
23:53.03beardyNo, more is, I think. less is part of the "standard" task, when installing.
23:53.03nsadminjudd versions less
23:53.04juddnsadmin: less -- etch: 394-4 lenny: 418-1 sid: 436-1 squeeze: 436-1
23:53.04Titan8990qop, on many distros, in debian on "more" is
23:53.08phogg_qop: even more is not in coreutils
23:53.10nsadminnope
23:53.16qopah, oks
23:53.28nsadminless is in its own pkg
23:53.33beardyYep.
23:53.46cantidoGratz474: the funny thing is, all the vm vendors say our is the fastest, when with vt-x and st-v (i think?) their stuff doesnt do an awful lot anymore
23:54.03nevynrgr: nope
23:54.15nevynrgr: resize3fs
23:54.33oh_noesnevyn: thanks
23:54.36nevynrgr: it is filesystem dependant.
23:54.51Holle_should i install less?
23:54.53rgroh reiser. I was looking into dynamic resizing with lvm last year and was told not to risk it with ext3 I think.
23:54.54cantidoGratz474: s/st-v/svme/ I think
23:54.57nevynHolle_: yes
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23:55.34nevynHolle_: it's part of my basic toolbox along with vim, awk, pinfo and bash
23:56.01cantidooh_noes: doesn't vmware have tools for compressing and shipping vm's?
23:56.03oh_noesrgr: what did you end up with? I'm just looking for stability and online resize
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23:56.28nevynHolle_: it's a pager it lets you view text a page at a time scroll back through it etc..
23:56.34oh_noescantido: im not fussed with compression, my VM does compress down to 'nothing'.  All I want is online resize inside the guide
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23:56.39oh_noesinside the guests**
23:56.57nevynoh_noes: most modern filesystems support this
23:57.36nevynoh_noes: so there are two to three bits to doing this...
23:57.51nevynoh_noes: and it depends how you do it.
23:58.06nevynwe'll assume you are using lvm in this instance.
23:58.22nevynand you ADD disks (you don't grow vmdks you just add on new ones)
23:58.33nevynyou partition the new disk as lvm pv.
23:58.45nevynyou add the new disk to the volumegroup
23:58.52Holle_but with "lsmod | grep sn9" the same problem: cannot open device. ther ist no video device listed.
23:58.57nevynyou then grow the lv (that contains your filesystem)
23:59.01abrotmanHolle_: it's already pacakged i believe
23:59.03nevynyou then grow the fielsystem
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23:59.36Holle_abrotman: what do you mean?
23:59.37oh_noesnevyn: yep thanks.  ESX supports growing existing disks though (as well as adding new disks)
23:59.38nevynall of these operations can be done online... (except adding a disk in vmware.. roll on vsphere)
23:59.42nsadminHolle_: that command says cannot open device?
23:59.51nevynif you GROW the disk (this is a bit more painful)
23:59.58nsadminlsmod doesn't open a device
23:59.59qophow can I limit the cpu% of a process?

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