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| 00:13.32 | jorizma | Anyone else running unstable with the new KDE 4.3 packages having issues with dolphin and konqueror freezing? |
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| 00:13.50 | jaggz | anyone know why my mic recording waveform is offset downwards? |
| 00:13.56 | macrobat | i just dont touch dolphin at all :) |
| 00:14.25 | jorizma | I prefer konqueror, but in this case it happens with both dolphin and konq, so there's a problem in the file view kpart |
| 00:16.16 | jaggz | asus k8v se deluxe motherboard with a VIA 8237 with AD1980 |
| 00:16.35 | abrotman | !bts |
| 00:16.35 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 00:25.30 | jaggz | Here's my screenshot of audio recordings where my audio signal is offset vertically for some reason: http://www.voyager.com/jag/ |
| 00:26.12 | jorizma | have you messed with all your mixer settings? |
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| 00:27.29 | jaggz | for years, yeah.. |
| 00:27.51 | jaggz | audacity right now just flickers when I try to record now though.. not sure why it stopped being able to record.. sigh. |
| 00:28.05 | jaggz | so you're seeing it from kde's voice trigger control panel area |
| 00:28.18 | adb | btw, "acpi" dpkg bot message needs an update for his last url " The Linux/ACPI project home page has moved to http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/" see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:28.49 | adb | last url link* |
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| 00:29.04 | jorizma | Looks kinda like you have inverted mic boost |
| 00:29.32 | jaggz | if I turn off mic boost the offset is less, but still there... |
| 00:30.26 | macrobat | jaggz, is that a dc offset. i thought that was common. isnt there some normalize or "remove dc component tool" |
| 00:30.47 | macrobat | forgot questionmarks :) |
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| 00:31.30 | macrobat | for example, i have that in "rezound" |
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| 00:31.58 | jaggz | in audacity there's one.. yeah.. cool "dc offset" is a good term |
| 00:32.02 | jaggz | it shouldn't be there though I don't think |
| 00:33.35 | macrobat | depends on your soundcard and mic, i think |
| 00:33.50 | cantido | all amps have some dc offset IIRC |
| 00:34.23 | jaggz | I've never seen this before this mb |
| 00:34.31 | jaggz | it should center itself |
| 00:34.50 | jaggz | it's so far off the signal data is lost, y'know... |
| 00:34.54 | macrobat | does balanced audio help for that? or is that something completely different? |
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| 00:35.18 | abrotman | some cards have a bug .. stick the speakers in the mic jack |
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| 00:35.50 | jaggz | whoa, okay.. but.. what? :) |
| 00:36.20 | jaggz | okay, done.. but now I can't see your typing |
| 00:36.41 | piper69 | i have one of those ethernet hdd , it is plug by my linksys router, my windows box see it fine , but not my Debian box |
| 00:36.47 | piper69 | how can i fix that |
| 00:36.55 | jaggz | maybe you need samba? |
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| 00:37.36 | jaggz | what are those called? network access storage or something? NAS? .. network attached ... hm |
| 00:37.40 | cantido | those things usually have AFS too (Apple) |
| 00:37.47 | piper69 | NAS |
| 00:38.04 | piper69 | sorry |
| 00:38.05 | jaggz | any console audio recording app which shows the levels? |
| 00:38.12 | cantido | piper69: you need to work out what protocol that thing know and install something to handle it |
| 00:38.25 | cantido | jaggz: alsamixer on the capture pane |
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| 00:39.29 | jaggz | pretty.. hm.. I mean, which shows the waveform as it's recording |
| 00:39.39 | jaggz | like a recorder, or a recording-level monitor .. but console |
| 00:40.02 | cantido | jaggz: mm waveform, I don't think so, there's probably a level meter.. |
| 00:40.09 | cantido | audacity has all that stuff though |
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| 00:43.15 | jaggz | there it is.. high pass filter enable |
| 00:43.20 | jaggz | that centered it it seems |
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| 00:43.55 | cantido | wouldn't dc be lowpass? |
| 00:43.58 | jaggz | now, I think it's me but my typing seems to resonate out my speakers.. (it's not.. just that my ears are used to the reverb from the mic passthrough .. heh..) |
| 00:44.16 | jaggz | I think high/low is frequency, not dc offset |
| 00:44.31 | cantido | dc = low frequency |
| 00:44.43 | jaggz | actually, it's fine.. this passes the high frequencies and blocks the low.. |
| 00:44.51 | jaggz | ie. high.. pass.. |
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| 00:45.03 | cantido | ah, yeah, got myself mixed up |
| 00:45.33 | cantido | high-pass is right ofcourse |
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| 00:46.12 | jaggz | and this "V_REFOUT enable" option which makes the mic work or not (both record and passthrough), but I don't know what it's really for |
| 00:46.49 | cantido | is that in alsamixer? |
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| 00:47.02 | jaggz | yeah, kmix shows it too |
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| 00:48.04 | cantido | mm seems your card has a good level of control |
| 00:48.07 | jaggz | now two issues.. can't seem to get the mic to record both channels.. I guess that's okay but I thought I used to be able to get it to go to both .. anyway, so that's not an issue |
| 00:48.19 | cantido | I have, input source and gain. heh |
| 00:48.30 | jaggz | it has a lot.. alsamixer window is wider than my 1600 display |
| 00:48.32 | cantido | jaggz: most mics are mono |
| 00:48.57 | chris_goe | anybody knows why mdadm now conflicts with dmsetup lvm2 udev? |
| 00:49.06 | chris_goe | it does not say Conflicts:, but it wants to remove them when I try to install them (on sid) |
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| 00:51.48 | chris_goe | to be correct, mdadm seems to conflict with udev. but I still fail to see why... |
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| 00:54.09 | jaggz | thought I got everything working now.. alsamixer doesn't let me adjust the capture level.. that's weird.. it'll show it's adjusted if I have it up while running aumix |
| 00:54.50 | jaggz | (it's igain in aumix) |
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| 00:57.27 | drwahl | i am trying to install Lenny (64bit) on my laptop and everytime it tries to configure the NIC, it turns my NIC off. i can see the port on the switch is lit up, but right before the debian installer prompts me to select my network interface, the switch port goes dark |
| 00:58.09 | BlueG | when is security support for testing to be resumed? I read that it was supposed to be temporarily suspended following the release of Lenny in February. |
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| 00:59.35 | abrotman | BlueG: are you running it on internet-facing systems ? |
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| 01:00.20 | BlueG | abrotman: not yet... |
| 01:01.16 | abrotman | it's testing .. dont do that ? |
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| 01:05.59 | BlueG | well, I like to play with newer software packages, like pidgin 2.6.1 which currently has me upgrading a ton of packages by manually backporting them to Lenny. It's not like I'm running mission critical corporate servers, I'm talking about my home box. |
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| 01:06.39 | BlueG | of course, that doesn't mean I don't care about security either... |
| 01:06.45 | jaggz | hey, how do I run an app and detach it from terminal? nohup charmap & doesn't seem to work |
| 01:07.08 | jaggz | actually, THAT does work.. nohup charmap &\n exit works |
| 01:07.21 | trango | jaggz: screen? |
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| 01:07.42 | jaggz | I was trying "nohup charmap" ^Z exit .. that kills it.. but "nohup charmap & exit" works fine |
| 01:07.45 | jaggz | yeah, in screen |
| 01:07.52 | jaggz | irrelevant I think though.. ? |
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| 01:08.54 | cantido | hides his internet facing testing box |
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| 01:16.39 | BlueG | gives cantido a knowing look |
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| 01:17.44 | cantido | the working state of testing depends on what stuff you use and what you consider as working I suppose :) |
| 01:18.15 | BlueG | Alternatively, unstable still gets security updates, doesn't it? |
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| 01:18.28 | cantido | BlueG: no |
| 01:18.32 | BlueG | no? |
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| 01:18.43 | abrotman | BlueG: if you want security updates, use stable |
| 01:18.57 | purplepenguins | you want testing, not unstable |
| 01:19.02 | cantido | I don't think security ever got security updates, it gets mention in the DSA annoucements thoughs |
| 01:19.28 | cantido | s/security/unstable/ |
| 01:19.30 | purplepenguins | if you are worried about security anyway |
| 01:20.06 | BlueG | I suppose one can always patch their own testing packages... |
| 01:20.10 | cantido | BlueG: unstable gets security updates as a side effect of getting new upstream packages |
| 01:20.40 | abrotman | assuming the DD is uploading packages as the upstream releases software |
| 01:20.40 | BlueG | cantido: ahh, that's why the announcement suggested using unstable |
| 01:20.43 | purplepenguins | they get security updates by constantly getting new versions of packages |
| 01:20.51 | abrotman | BlueG: what announcement ? |
| 01:21.08 | BlueG | abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-security-announce/2008/12/msg00019.html |
| 01:21.31 | cantido | BlueG: what annoucement? DSA announcements usually say if a version in unstable has been fixed etc.. there's no actual security support |
| 01:21.35 | abrotman | BlueG: but not for a server .. wtf |
| 01:21.47 | purplepenguins | by the time stable is getting security patches, sid is on a whole new version of that software usually |
| 01:22.09 | BlueG | I mean, they first suggested sticking with Lenny until security support for testing is resumed, but if you really need new stuff, they suggested unstable. |
| 01:22.21 | jorizma | yeah, exploits usually don't run as is on sid |
| 01:22.32 | BlueG | abrotman: no, no, not for a server, for my home box |
| 01:22.51 | abrotman | BlueG: it's on the internet, providing services .. it's a server ? |
| 01:22.53 | purplepenguins | my home box runs stable |
| 01:23.10 | BlueG | jorizma: the question is, what else doesn't run on sid? :-) |
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| 01:23.15 | cantido | jorizma: unless its some package that has had loads of upstream releases but the DD has given up maintaining their package, there's lots of those |
| 01:23.19 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 01:23.20 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 01:24.00 | rhys | so... its an upgrade from user to "developer/tester" |
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| 01:24.03 | lafrance | n))b question got my old box converted to deb can I install it on main box dual bot with window 7 ? |
| 01:24.17 | lafrance | would trash window but to much money in adobe |
| 01:24.21 | BlueG | laughs at rhys |
| 01:24.45 | purplepenguins | i don't know if that's an upgrade rhys |
| 01:24.45 | cantido | lafrance: you should be able to dual boot, installing debian after windows is apparently the easiet route |
| 01:24.47 | abrotman | rhys: or 'going along okay' to 'totally in over my head and not having a damn clue' |
| 01:24.53 | oh_noes | is it possible to tell lvextend to resize to the end of the physical disk? Im using ESX to increase the size of my Virtual Disk. So I dont want to tell lvextend +100M, I want to say "just go to the new end of the virtual disk" |
| 01:25.13 | lafrance | great only need window like once a week max |
| 01:25.28 | rhys | Totally in over my head? I mean.. its really a coin toss on which one I will curse the developers/packagers more in. |
| 01:25.36 | BlueG | no, seriously, I don't want Sid... I do like my machine semi-stable with most things working most of the time... |
| 01:25.50 | abrotman | use stable and use backports.org |
| 01:26.01 | cantido | BlueG: stable as in not crash? |
| 01:26.14 | jorizma | My unstable box rarely has issues |
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| 01:26.29 | BlueG | abrotman: that's what I have now. And in order to get what I want I'm rebuild half the system manually |
| 01:26.30 | jorizma | Mostly don't do dist-upgrade at stupid times |
| 01:26.35 | BlueG | (slight hyperbole) |
| 01:26.52 | abrotman | jorizma: so basically .. don't install security updates? ... great plan |
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| 01:27.13 | abrotman | BlueG: or learn how to build your own backports to supplement the ones from backports.org |
| 01:27.50 | jorizma | I'm behind 2 NATs and on an internal network, I'm not worried |
| 01:27.51 | cantido | apt-listchanges is a good idea with testing/unstable,.. if you see "this breaks stuff" in the changelog you can bail out before it does break stuff :) |
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| 01:28.11 | abrotman | jorizma: so your machine doesn't act as a client to any external sources ? |
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| 01:29.05 | jorizma | Anyone capable of actually hacking my machine would have an easier time getting physical access than network access. |
| 01:29.29 | cantido | jorizma: what about things like those issues in the image decoding libraries? |
| 01:29.40 | abrotman | cantido: he doesn't surf the web on the machine .. no worries |
| 01:29.46 | cantido | jorizma: you just needed to download a bad image and you could be shafted |
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| 01:30.18 | cantido | abrotman: lets hope there's no issue with his irc client then :) |
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| 01:30.30 | abrotman | cantido: he's using bitchx .. no problems there ... |
| 01:30.55 | cantido | sarcasm? |
| 01:31.01 | jorizma | Wow, way to conjure act of god security problems, guys. |
| 01:31.02 | BlueG | abrotman: that is basically what I am doing now, trying to backport packages manually (perhaps I'm not very good at it, is there a guide that might help me do it more efficiently?) but I am porting so many packages, it seems easier to move to testing |
| 01:31.15 | abrotman | cantido: abandoned upstream a few years ago IIRC |
| 01:31.49 | abrotman | !tell BlueG about ssb |
| 01:31.50 | cantido | DSA 306-1 -- Problem-Type : remote; few years ago, but still ;) |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/status/release/unstable |
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| 01:33.32 | cantido | djbdns has security problems?! |
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| 01:34.56 | BlueG | abrotman: seems to get a bit more complicated than that, I run into packages whose build deps can't be installed by apt-get build-dep packagename, then I must manual backport the build-deps and so on. |
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| 01:35.13 | abrotman | oh .. you were trying to backport pidgin yesterday weren't you ? |
| 01:35.35 | BlueG | Yes, I was, and I still haven't finished, LOL |
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| 01:35.52 | jorizma | ? what's the problem? I never had any issues getting pidgin to compile on stable |
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| 01:36.50 | abrotman | he's trying to do it the debian way |
| 01:36.51 | BlueG | jorizma: pidgin 2.6.1 needs libgstfarsight0.10-dev.... |
| 01:37.49 | BlueG | abrotman: actually, I'm just trying to get the build deps installed so that I can compile pidgin manually. |
| 01:38.08 | BlueG | but without farsight, the voice and video won't work |
| 01:38.12 | purplepenguins | why compile pidgin from source anyway... |
| 01:38.16 | purplepenguins | is there some new features |
| 01:38.24 | cantido | BlueG: have you tried adjusting that dep? |
| 01:38.34 | abrotman | BlueG: have you tried building libstfarsight0.10 ? |
| 01:38.51 | cantido | BlueG: maybe check the upstream docs and see if will work against whatever is in stable |
| 01:38.59 | BlueG | libgstfarsight0.10-dev has Unmet build dependencies: libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev (>= 0.10.23) python-gst0.10-dev libnice-dev (>= 0.0.9) libgupnp-igd-1.0-dev |
| 01:39.16 | BlueG | libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev has Unmet build dependencies: libasound2-dev (>= 0.9.0) libvorbis-dev (>= 1.0.0-2) libcdparanoia0-dev liboil0.3-dev (>= 0.3.14) libtheora-dev (>= 0.0.0.alpha5) type-handling (>= 0.2.14) libvisual-0.4-dev (>= 0.4.0) gstreamer-tools (>= 0.10.14) |
| 01:39.29 | BlueG | cantido: hmmm, perhaps I should try that... |
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| 01:43.37 | cantido | BlueG: grab the orginal source and see if you can ./configure and make it with those libs from lenny then adjust the build-deps accordingly |
| 01:44.10 | jorizma | yeah, you can probably turn off farsight as a ./configure option |
| 01:44.32 | purplepenguins | the INSTALL file would know |
| 01:45.42 | ajavid | ahhh after 3 years i have a stuck red subpixel! |
| 01:45.45 | ajavid | won't go away |
| 01:45.59 | cantido | would have though there would be pidgin backports already.. |
| 01:46.17 | ajavid | uses kopete |
| 01:46.33 | BlueG | hmmm, there is a #farsight :-) |
| 01:46.48 | ajavid | isn't that a video game |
| 01:46.50 | cantido | BlueG: you don't really have to bother them with it |
| 01:46.52 | ajavid | farsight |
| 01:46.57 | ajavid | some spy mercanery 3d game |
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| 01:47.09 | ajavid | oh cry |
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| 01:47.22 | ajavid | far cry |
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| 01:47.32 | SuperMiguel | any idea when is Squeeze getting release? |
| 01:47.50 | dvsxutact | hey guys, i was wondering if there is a command like "setup" to isntall network interfaces, i added eth0 to the /etc/network/interfaces list, when it tells me "no such device" when i do "ifup eth0" and "ifup -a" |
| 01:47.52 | ajavid | SuperMiguel, early 2010 |
| 01:48.17 | ajavid | !tell dvsxutact -about interfaces |
| 01:48.24 | dvsxutact | ty |
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| 01:48.36 | abrotman | dvsxutact: dmesg | grep eth |
| 01:49.09 | SuperMiguel | ajavid, sidux is using the packages from squeeze right? |
| 01:49.23 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: no, and sidux is not supported here |
| 01:49.28 | ajavid | why should I know? |
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| 01:50.50 | BlueG | jorizma: turning off farsight turns off the feature that I most desperately want to try out. |
| 01:51.14 | BlueG | cantido: there are pidgin backports, 2.5.8 or .9 I think... |
| 01:51.43 | abrotman | BlueG: if you wait a few days .. they might backport it for you |
| 01:52.04 | BlueG | abrotman: hmmmm, now that sounds appealing... |
| 01:52.10 | jorizma | Honestly I'd have just installed it in a testing chroot |
| 01:52.32 | abrotman | dpkg: why is pidgin not in testing |
| 01:52.33 | dpkg | pidgin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pidgin |
| 01:53.00 | jorizma | yes, but the libs are probably up to date enough to compile it w/ farsight |
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| 02:01.15 | dvsxutact | abrotman, eth0 is registered, but SIOCSIFADDR says "no such device" when i run ifup eth0 |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | registered? |
| 02:01.47 | dvsxutact | yes |
| 02:02.10 | dvsxutact | says "eth0 registered as pcnet/pci II 79c970a |
| 02:02.18 | abrotman | and that's the last line? |
| 02:02.21 | dvsxutact | the dmsg | grep eth0 that is |
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| 02:02.35 | abrotman | ifconfig -a .. do you see any eth* device s? |
| 02:02.36 | dvsxutact | which is first line? |
| 02:02.38 | dvsxutact | sec |
| 02:02.47 | dvsxutact | eth1 yes |
| 02:02.57 | dvsxutact | ahh |
| 02:03.05 | dvsxutact | so its eth1 not eth0 |
| 02:03.14 | abrotman | well .. you can probably change that |
| 02:03.16 | jorizma | etc /etc/udev/70-networking-rules or something |
| 02:03.25 | jorizma | then reboot |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman | !70 |
| 02:03.40 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 02:04.07 | dvsxutact | k |
| 02:04.08 | dvsxutact | ty |
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| 02:08.16 | BlueG | configure: error: Need libnice >= 0.0.9 |
| 02:08.16 | BlueG | apt-get build-dep libnice-dev |
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| 02:08.27 | BlueG | It's starting to look nasty again... |
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| 02:20.31 | zeroConf | likes uuid's :-) |
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| 02:28.32 | cantido | Is there a daemon or something out there to manage tunnels created with ssh.. ie bring them backup if they get disconnected etc? |
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| 02:36.02 | oh_noes | how do I tell vgextend to extend an existing disk in the VG? (ie. it's physical size got bigger) |
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| 02:44.18 | hoarycripple | are "rtfm" type answers frowned upon in here as they are in #ubuntu? |
| 02:44.40 | purplepenguins | are they frowned upon in ubuntu? |
| 02:45.09 | cantido | hoarycripple: if it's justified it's fine I would have thought.. |
| 02:45.18 | purplepenguins | it'd be helpful if people googled things before coming here |
| 02:45.35 | hoarycripple | yes |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | hoarycripple: are you suggesting we spoon-feed everyone ? |
| 02:46.23 | hoarycripple | abrotman, hell no. I just want to know if I can answer a common, well documented problem with "google" |
| 02:46.28 | hoarycripple | or rtfm |
| 02:46.39 | abrotman | hoarycripple: it's been done |
| 02:46.56 | purplepenguins | we won't think less of you if you advise someone to google something |
| 02:47.05 | abrotman | hoarycripple: you've been in this channel for a long time .. you've never seen "man foo" or google.com?foo+qwer+blah ? |
| 02:47.10 | cantido | hoarycripple: if the answer is in the top 5 results in google they need to be shamed! |
| 02:47.11 | purplepenguins | so long as you don't do it in a nasty way |
| 02:47.24 | hoarycripple | abrotman, I have... |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | so why ask ? |
| 02:48.13 | hoarycripple | abrotman, seems like there has been a change in attitude towards "rtfm." Maybe I have been on #ubuntu too long. |
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| 02:49.00 | knight` | if a local X client can use true type font but a remote X client can't, what could the problem be? |
| 02:49.03 | cantido | hoarycripple: ubuntu == more people that shouldn't be near thing electrical or sharp using *nix |
| 02:49.08 | knight` | different version of libxft? |
| 02:49.32 | cantido | hoarycripple: s/thing/anything/ |
| 02:49.48 | abrotman | knight`: both have the font installed ? |
| 02:50.08 | knight` | remote client not, but on a different X server it can use true type font |
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| 02:56.00 | The_biggest_Turk | Fuck you |
| 02:56.00 | The_biggest_Turk | :D |
| 02:56.02 | BeYaZeNCy | :D |
| 02:56.04 | BeYaZeNCy | hassktr |
| 02:56.04 | BeYaZeNCy | :D |
| 02:56.09 | The_biggest_Turk | :D |
| 02:56.15 | The_biggest_Turk | sie |
| 02:56.15 | The_biggest_Turk | :D |
| 02:56.20 | The_biggest_Turk | Türk seni |
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| 03:03.21 | purplepenguins | some trolls are really boring |
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| 03:05.34 | neoice | which ones arent? |
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| 03:11.54 | raj | WHy is my connection slow on wifi? I need a new driver for trendnet tew-424ub help anyoone? the opensource ones preinstalled suck soo bad .. slow connection / unstable / and inconsistent .. anyone? HELP please? |
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| 03:15.46 | cantido | raj: how have you tested slowness? |
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| 03:18.37 | raj | cantido . compared to my other computers . the wireless pings slow . it takes 20 seconds to load a page .. its a dual core computer |
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| 03:19.09 | raj | its the wireless driver . it is very inconsistent . goes from 40% to 100% and fluctuates |
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| 03:25.53 | cantido | raj: why does daul core have anything to do with it... have you checked your signal quality etc? tested local traffic against internet traffic,.. |
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| 03:44.12 | gaintsura | every time I load my system, my iptables start as mangle until I run a bash script I made, but I have to re-run this script every time I start, what can I do to fix this? |
| 03:45.59 | markybob | gaintsura, learn to use iptables-save |
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| 03:46.32 | gaintsura | markybob: it does not hold |
| 03:48.00 | cantido | gaintsura: ip you use iptables-save to dump the current config, it'll reload it on boot |
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| 03:48.41 | gaintsura | cantido: so by me just now running iptables-save, I should be able to shut down, reboot and have it stick? |
| 03:48.54 | lafrance | is there any file for deb to support dual monitor and raid ? |
| 03:50.51 | cantido | gaintsura: actually, I'm not sure.. basically you use iptables-save to dump the rules and iptables-restore to reload then, I can't right now find if there is an init script that's doing that |
| 03:51.10 | gaintsura | cantido: so basically you know what I know :( |
| 03:52.12 | markybob | gaintsura, http://dpaste.com/85431/ |
| 03:52.36 | cantido | gaintsura: there used to be a initscript, use a pre-up line in your interfaces or something |
| 03:53.15 | gaintsura | markybob: very nice :) |
| 03:53.16 | gaintsura | thanks |
| 03:54.26 | cantido | gaintsura: if you put iptables boot into google you would have probably found out what you wanted to know :/ |
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| 03:56.40 | aaron_ | hey i have a question i have some wmv files but they play but when they play there's no sound and totem cannot find the right codecs. i'm running debian amd 64 |
| 03:58.03 | cantido | Do you have the w64 codecs installed? I don't think newer windows media play yet though. |
| 03:58.46 | aaron_ | yes i have the w64 codecs |
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| 03:59.12 | markybob | aaron_, http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/222712/gstreamer0.10-fluendo-plugins_7.0-1_amd64.deb |
| 03:59.37 | kunwon1 | or vlc |
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| 04:00.53 | cantido | problem with *.wmv is that there are a number of different codecs that could be in there. |
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| 04:01.45 | smacnay | I see that the nvidia-libvdpau1, in Debian sid, now replaces the nvidia-glx package? Is this true? |
| 04:02.24 | aaron_ | i got this error markybob http://pastebin.ca/1542753 |
| 04:02.51 | jorizma | smacnay: that's just the vdpau lib, i thought |
| 04:03.11 | markybob | aaron_, so why dont you read what it says? remove gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad |
| 04:03.22 | aaron_ | how? |
| 04:03.33 | markybob | dpkg --purge gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad |
| 04:03.36 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad all over markybob and Bhavic... |
| 04:03.56 | markybob | you're using debian and you really dont know how to remove a package? |
| 04:04.10 | aaron_ | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad: |
| 04:04.10 | dpkg | aaron_: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 04:04.11 | aaron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.11 | aaron_ | dpkg: error processing gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad (--purge): |
| 04:04.11 | aaron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.11 | aaron_ | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 04:04.11 | dpkg | aaron_: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 04:04.24 | aaron_ | oh sorry wrong window |
| 04:05.05 | jorizma | smacnay: it shouldn't replace it, it should install in addition to nvidia-glx. and if you want vdpau you'd need it if course. I'm not sure if mplayer took vdpau patches upsteam, though. |
| 04:05.09 | izua | uhm, when you connect remotely to a box, (ssh putty whatever, it tells you the rsa2 fingerprint). |
| 04:05.23 | aaron_ | any help markybob |
| 04:05.29 | izua | is that to see if a connection is spoofed? |
| 04:05.45 | izua | or someone is performing a midm attack? |
| 04:06.22 | jorizma | Both? |
| 04:06.53 | izua | ok. how can i see it on that machine? |
| 04:06.56 | cantido | izua: it's to verify the machine you're connecting to is the machine you intended |
| 04:07.13 | izua | since i long cached it in putty, and now i need to connect to that box from far away |
| 04:07.30 | cantido | izua: you don't, it it's generated when openssh is installed |
| 04:07.35 | izua | no |
| 04:07.47 | izua | i'm connected over the network to that machine. the fingerprint was cached long ago in putty. |
| 04:08.00 | cantido | izua: if you're trusting the wrong fingerprint, you need to remove it from your known_hosts |
| 04:08.03 | izua | i need to see that fingerprint again, so when i'll connect from outside the network, i'll know it's the right one |
| 04:08.16 | izua | I DON'T KNOW THE FINGERPRINT! |
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| 04:08.23 | izua | that's what i'm trying to find out :P |
| 04:08.52 | cantido | izua: yes, you remove it and login, you will get told the finger print of the machine you're connecting to |
| 04:09.18 | izua | eh. i thought there was a command to see it |
| 04:09.21 | cantido | izua: also you should be able to find it in with openssh's config |
| 04:09.36 | aaron_ | No suitable decoder module: |
| 04:09.36 | aaron_ | VLC does not support the audio or video format "wmap". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this. |
| 04:09.50 | izua | i'm using putty on the other side, sadly. |
| 04:09.50 | cantido | izua: or in your known hosts |
| 04:10.13 | cantido | or with ssh -v |
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| 04:11.47 | cantido | aaron_: microsoft dont open their codecs, so you can't play everything : |
| 04:12.41 | aaron_ | cantido, ? |
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| 04:15.39 | cantido | aaron_: you want to play a wmv, which is going to contain some microsoft codec, not all those codec have been reverse engineered yet or have DLL's floating around that can be used.. |
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| 04:20.59 | smacnay | jorizma, thanks |
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| 04:41.59 | gaintsura | one step closer to a well oiled machine |
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| 04:43.09 | neoice | heh. where does one look for messages if rsyslog is having issues? |
| 04:43.10 | smacnay | jorizma, is the current nvidia update waiting on nvidia-glx or do I need to make the newer .deb with m-a and then install the glx deb? |
| 04:43.23 | valdyn | smacnay: yes |
| 04:44.00 | smacnay | valdyn, so make the updated nvidia driver and install the glx .deb after... |
| 04:44.19 | valdyn | smacnay: yes |
| 04:44.24 | smacnay | valdyn, thanks |
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| 04:57.33 | Bhavic | Does anyone know how to copy files as well as directorys when using "sftp and put"? |
| 04:59.12 | ajavid | dhodgkin, #debian-chat |
| 05:00.41 | ajavid | dhodgkin, be with ya in a minute. almost done with my routing |
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| 05:10.42 | dhodgkin | I am running kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64, was wondering if I should go with the nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64 or nvidia-glx drivers for my GeForce 9500? |
| 05:11.16 | omid8bimo | dhodgkin: i go w/nvidia-glx and works fine |
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| 05:12.24 | dhodgkin | omid8bimo: ok thanks |
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| 05:14.16 | omid8bimo | dhodgkin: no |
| 05:14.20 | omid8bimo | dhodgkin: *np |
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| 05:38.01 | konr | Guys, my sound is not working at all. Mplayer makes no sound and `ls > /dev/dsp` returns "Device busy". Google retuns only entropy and noise. Any idea on how to fix it? |
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| 05:43.01 | omid8bimo | konr: check with lspci -v to see your hardware |
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| 05:43.20 | omid8bimo | konr: then grep for "snd" to check which module is loaded for it |
| 05:43.39 | omid8bimo | konr: try to load it manually if it's not loaded yet |
| 05:43.53 | konr | omid8bimo: wow, nothing returned by the grep |
| 05:44.11 | omid8bimo | konr: lspci -v | grep -i snd |
| 05:44.29 | konr | omid8bimo: yes, nothing returned |
| 05:46.18 | m67_l3 | konr, lsof | grep dsp |
| 05:46.23 | m67_l3 | something has your soundcard open |
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| 05:48.19 | omid8bimo | konr: check what m67_l3 said also make sure your sound hardware is detected at all by checking lspci output |
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| 05:48.41 | m67_l3 | omid8bimo, if it wasnt detected it would not be busy |
| 05:48.42 | konr | m67_l3: hmmm, aparently it was pulseaudio... I removed it, killed the process and restarted alsa, but still no sound :( |
| 05:48.57 | m67_l3 | konr, hm |
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| 05:49.12 | m67_l3 | try making mplayer not use pulseaudio |
| 05:49.16 | m67_l3 | change the sound backend |
| 05:49.26 | m67_l3 | pulseaudio is such a pile of crap |
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| 05:49.27 | m67_l3 | ugh |
| 05:49.34 | omid8bimo | m67_l3: probably |
| 05:49.37 | cantido | agrees |
| 05:49.47 | omid8bimo | konr: check cat /proc/asound/cards as well for more ifno |
| 05:49.50 | omid8bimo | *info |
| 05:50.23 | m67_l3 | cantido, im sure in another few years they will re write it AGAIN |
| 05:50.30 | m67_l3 | why cant everyone just use dmix |
| 05:50.35 | konr | m67_l3: hmm, but I can't even write to /dev/dsp with `ls > /dev/dsp`, as I get "device or resource busy" |
| 05:50.47 | cantido | m67_l3: or people will just give up writing sound servers |
| 05:50.56 | m67_l3 | konr, if you started mplayer again, it would start pulse audio again |
| 05:51.08 | konr | omid8bimo: interesting, it returned two lines, one containing (HDA-Intel - HDA ATI) SB and other \1 HDMI |
| 05:51.13 | cantido | m67_l3: but it's like php developers and shitty cms's.. it'll never stop |
| 05:51.33 | m67_l3 | cantido, at least i can stay the hell away from PHP CMSes |
| 05:51.43 | konr | m67_l3: but I removed it from my system |
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| 05:52.02 | m67_l3 | konr, run the lsof command again |
| 05:52.26 | konr | m67_l3: no output |
| 05:53.02 | m67_l3 | cantido, the only real advantage pulseaudio confers is network transparency, but thats not worth a shit because latency is always going to be bad |
| 05:53.16 | m67_l3 | i wish they would just give it up ughg |
| 05:53.42 | omid8bimo | konr: u need to tweak ur sound backend or setting with alsa |
| 05:53.44 | cantido | yeah, network audio is fairly pointless really |
| 05:54.33 | konr | omid8bimo: I think I had that problem some years ago and fixed it by running alsaconf... but since it was removed from alsa-utils, I'm downloading it from alsa's site |
| 05:55.08 | omid8bimo | konr: try to load a module for it, kinda like modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 05:55.25 | m67_l3 | konr, yes, if mplayer is trying to use pulse audio |
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| 05:55.31 | m67_l3 | it wont work if it isnt running |
| 05:55.37 | m67_l3 | make it just use /dev/dsp for testing |
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| 05:57.04 | konr | m67_l3: using /dev/dsp is OSS, right? |
| 05:57.18 | m67_l3 | no |
| 05:57.22 | m67_l3 | not nessisarily |
| 05:57.40 | m67_l3 | just tell mplayer to use ALSA |
| 05:58.16 | konr | m67_l3: did it, still no sound :( |
| 05:58.24 | dhodgkin | I'm having issues accessing my windows partition from Amarok, in fstab I have it setup as /dev/hdb1 /media/windows rw,user 0 0. Any ideas? |
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| 05:59.18 | phix | hey hey |
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| 06:00.02 | phix | What is the name of the package which installs man pages for std C/C++ functions? (eg, so the following command works --> man scanf) |
| 06:00.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | manpages-dev or similar |
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| 06:00.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell phix -about search |
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| 06:03.04 | phix | Kamping_Kaiser: :D:D:D:D:D --> NAME |
| 06:03.04 | phix | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.07 | phix | thnx mate |
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| 06:03.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
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| 06:03.57 | GerrySly | hey, how do I format output using the console? like I want to use two commands then then join them together spanning two lines and have preceeding statements, they are the disk usage and bandwidth usage of my server, I want it to be like Disk Usage: 40GB \n Bandwidth Usage: 100GB, where 40GB will be a command and 100GB will be another separate command |
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| 06:05.30 | phix | dondelelcaro: that is great if you know what the package is called |
| 06:05.41 | dondelelcaro | phix: you don't even need to know that |
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| 06:05.46 | dondelelcaro | phix: keep reading what dpkg said... |
| 06:05.52 | phix | dondelelcaro: yeah, it returned too many results |
| 06:06.09 | dondelelcaro | phix: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> |
| 06:06.19 | tingi | i've a system (online evaluation for algorithms) where i run students code (C++ with g++ compiler extn ) and it runs in time T. now some users , make continuous submissions like 10 submissions of same code. Because of the computations saved in CPU cache or other caches, the subsequent runs are much faster than the first run or the actual value. So before executing a code, how can we tell CPU to flush the cache or not use memory saved values from previ |
| 06:06.19 | tingi | ous execution *ie no hints *. I 've to turn compiler optimizations on. I can't insert a dummy RUN between every run because it bears unnecessary load. |
| 06:06.25 | phix | I didnt know that manpages-dev was the correct one, I assumed to had to do with header / include files for the manpage package |
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| 06:07.03 | dondelelcaro | phix: for example, apt-file search scanf|grep man; would point you in the right direction |
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| 06:08.36 | tingi | How do i flush the CPU cache and pipelines ,any commands before program execution? |
| 06:08.51 | phix | dondelelcaro: ah ok, was not aware of that feature |
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| 06:11.21 | dondelelcaro | phix: yerp; that's why I sent the factoid in your direction... |
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| 06:13.57 | ajavid | hello people |
| 06:14.04 | ajavid | !tell dhodgkin -about ntfsro |
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| 06:14.23 | ajavid | dhendrix, its not enough to specify merely rw.user |
| 06:14.26 | ajavid | rw,user |
| 06:14.30 | ajavid | dhodgkin, sorry |
| 06:15.03 | ajavid | dhodgkin, according to the factoid, gid = cdrom group (as it makes sense to use read only) |
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| 06:15.24 | ajavid | dhodgkin, change the uid to yours, more than likely 1000 |
| 06:15.43 | ajavid | dhodgkin, that should be it, if you want RW, try ntfs-3g |
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| 06:19.00 | tremike | i'm having trouble finding the right app for my appeals. pls redirect me to shortest path first. |
| 06:19.16 | ajavid | tremike, huh? |
| 06:19.42 | coreGrl | but /quit |
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| 06:20.56 | phix | dondelelcaro: thnx maate |
| 06:21.00 | phix | <3 |
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| 06:21.19 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 06:25.40 | dhodgkin | ajavid, ok |
| 06:26.19 | cyberninja | just wondering; what method do ISPs use to throttle users bandwith? tc, squid delay pool, or something else? |
| 06:26.39 | ajavid | dhodgkin, stable right? |
| 06:26.45 | ajavid | dhodgkin, lenny |
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| 06:27.18 | dhodgkin | ajavid, yep |
| 06:27.38 | ajavid | cyberninja, yes, if they use squid, they use delay pools |
| 06:28.00 | ajavid | cyberninja, that is exactly the way to use squid to do that, however, they use other methods along with delay pools |
| 06:28.10 | cyberninja | ajavid: so like a transparent proxy running squid with delay pools |
| 06:28.28 | ajavid | cyberninja, yes, most isps in smaller countries do that |
| 06:28.41 | ajavid | in order to connect to the web, you HAVE to go through THEIR proxy and authenticate |
| 06:28.59 | ajavid | and thats how they cheapily throttle you |
| 06:29.43 | cyberninja | ajavid: is there a way to throttle on a per user basis using tc filters |
| 06:30.42 | ajavid | hmm |
| 06:30.49 | ajavid | based on certain acls yes |
| 06:31.00 | ajavid | its been a while since I had to configure my squid proxy |
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| 06:31.45 | ajavid | cyberninja, I used to work at FlashNet once upon a time.. they used acl ranges |
| 06:32.35 | ajavid | dhodgkin, got it figured out? |
| 06:32.49 | dhodgkin | ajavid, almost |
| 06:32.49 | cyberninja | ajavid: im from australia theres no such thing as unlimited internet above 256kbps here, and wonder how they automatically kick in shaping after ya reach a download quota |
| 06:33.14 | ajavid | cyberninja, no idea |
| 06:33.39 | ajavid | cyberninja, we here can't and will not help circumvent ISP accepted policies |
| 06:34.12 | ajavid | cyberninja, in fact, for specific help on squid you should try #squid |
| 06:34.24 | cyberninja | ajavid: i just wanted to shape my own network at home |
| 06:34.32 | ajavid | !wondershaper |
| 06:34.32 | dpkg | hmm... wondershaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
| 06:34.42 | dhodgkin | ajavid, got it |
| 06:34.48 | ajavid | maybe that i don't know |
| 06:34.54 | cyberninja | ajavid: i should try #squid didnt think of that |
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| 06:36.15 | phix | I know squid |
| 06:36.29 | ajavid | phix, you can support him in #squid |
| 06:36.57 | ajavid | #debian is meant for support on debian and its pckages, not how to use those packages |
| 06:37.11 | ajavid | for that, there is google and other resources |
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| 06:56.11 | cheeseboy | hey |
| 06:56.32 | cheeseboy | the debiam installer is hanging at partitioning |
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| 06:56.38 | cheeseboy | how do I fix? |
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| 07:09.25 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:09.25 | dpkg | <azeem> bengrubb: please try to be comprensible |
| 07:09.32 | liable | hah |
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| 07:11.23 | ajavid | !qotd24 |
| 07:11.23 | dpkg | <sanmarcos> Dabian: thank sanmarcos, not me |
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| 07:19.36 | NiLon | hmm what was that video converting software, it was ff something |
| 07:19.49 | NiLon | ffmpeg |
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| 07:21.02 | miasma | is it due to the 3rd party libs that debians still hasn't got packages for netbeans >= 6.1 ? |
| 07:21.06 | miasma | -s |
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| 07:21.36 | miasma | e.g. ubuntu already provides 6.1 and 6.5 |
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| 07:23.32 | aixenv | hey guys, i have a dreaded "L 99 999" boot with a debian box, im thinking boot a live cd, chroot the partition, and rerun lilo (the server just had an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 07:24.02 | liable | stable? |
| 07:24.14 | aixenv | lenny i believe let me verify |
| 07:24.46 | liable | hmm, i guess, yes, rewrite lilo. otherwise install grub. any reason why you dont use it? |
| 07:25.09 | aixenv | actually etch |
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| 07:25.30 | aixenv | i believe, cant quote me, this server was using lilo for some reason |
| 07:25.35 | aixenv | bah dont.. |
| 07:25.46 | liable | i dont think etch even gets security now, so an upgrade shouldnt have done anything |
| 07:25.56 | aixenv | the linux kernel update |
| 07:25.57 | aixenv | etch gets updates |
| 07:25.59 | aixenv | just not sarge |
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| 07:26.07 | aixenv | to fix all those root exploits from a few weeks ago |
| 07:26.07 | wookienz | hi, in my /lib/modules dir i have 2.6.22-15, 2.6.24-generic and 2.6.24-xen. uname -r says im using the xen one. Can i delete the other two dires/ |
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| 07:26.41 | liable | sure, if you dont need them. -generic is ubuntu isnt it? |
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| 07:26.57 | aixenv | liable: i imagine the new kernel update clobberd lilo cuz the DC guy didnt update lilo before rebooting (just a guess) |
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| 07:27.16 | aixenv | seems plausible |
| 07:27.19 | liable | aixenv: see if rewriting it helps i guess |
| 07:27.31 | aixenv | im gonna try that first |
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| 07:27.48 | gypsymauro | why mdadm doesnt' assemble raid autamtically at boot? |
| 07:27.49 | empiric1 | guys i want to start kprop service on debain |
| 07:27.52 | empiric1 | can any one help? |
| 07:28.21 | poppiez | I've set the MAILTO variable in my /etc/crontab but the cron daemon keeps mailing to root@domainname. I've restarted the cron daemon of course. what am I missing? |
| 07:29.20 | gypsymauro | poppiez: I already set it in every cron scripts |
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| 07:30.36 | poppiez | gypsymauro: oh, you specify it in the scripts? |
| 07:31.24 | poppiez | gypsymauro: I just understood that it was supposed to go in the /etc/crontab file. http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.2-Manual/custom-guide/cron-task.html |
| 07:31.27 | aixenv | ok i rewrote lilo, rebooting we'll see what happens |
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| 07:36.41 | ebx | Hi |
| 07:36.55 | ebx | I need grub package for amd64 before 20090825 |
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| 07:37.03 | ebx | does anyone have it in /vat/cache ? |
| 07:37.12 | ebx | I would be grateful |
| 07:37.58 | liable | ebx: search snapshot.debian.net |
| 07:38.00 | phix | ajavid: hi buddy |
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| 07:38.12 | ebx | liable, I did, too old grub |
| 07:38.43 | ebx | liable, most packages there are ancient |
| 07:38.59 | liable | ebx: yeah, its not so reliable |
| 07:39.11 | ebx | when I reboot now, I wont be able to boot up again |
| 07:39.22 | ajavid | hello |
| 07:39.29 | ajavid | phix, hi |
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| 07:40.06 | ebx | Anyone have amd64 and grub2 ? |
| 07:40.19 | phix | I am sure the ppl here won't mind supporting a package that is in the debian repo |
| 07:40.22 | phix | I surely don't |
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| 07:42.40 | cheeseboy | ebx, whats wrong with the new grub? |
| 07:42.51 | ebx | cheeseboy, grub-pc does not install |
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| 07:43.15 | ebx | and somehow apt-buglist did not inform me that system will be unbootable |
| 07:44.03 | ebx | cheeseboy, do you have a version just before 20090825 ? |
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| 07:44.48 | cheeseboy | ebx, no i dont even have debian installed X( |
| 07:45.15 | ebx | Any help ? |
| 07:45.21 | bvs | grub-pc_1.96+20090808-1_amd64.deb grub-common_1.96+20090808-1_amd64.deb |
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| 07:45.39 | ebx | bvs, that would do I guess |
| 07:45.56 | ebx | if no other dependencies |
| 07:46.56 | ebx | bvs, can You send them to me? |
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| 07:49.26 | bvs | linked them in pm ebx |
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| 08:00.19 | liars | has anyone here tried using a mic jack for audio output? |
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| 08:00.54 | ebx | (hd0)/dev/sda |
| 08:00.54 | ebx | grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /. |
| 08:00.59 | ebx | what might be a problem ? |
| 08:01.05 | ebx | is it know? |
| 08:01.57 | ebx | I have /dev/dm-0 ext4 17137080 10644380 5626320 66% / |
| 08:02.00 | gypsymauro | a question about kernel update, if apt-get dist-upgrade want to update my kernel with same version/revision it will subscribe initrd vmlinuz images or it creates a new entry in grub? |
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| 08:02.55 | Piliman | Hello guy! |
| 08:03.02 | Piliman | What's up here?? |
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| 08:03.48 | cheeseboy | liars, i have |
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| 08:04.08 | cheeseboy | oss does that for my mic jack |
| 08:04.13 | ebx | bvs, is grub-probe also broken for You ? |
| 08:04.24 | fredl | hi guys, I just had a rootdisk flameout last night. |
| 08:04.25 | cheeseboy | dont think its supposed to though |
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| 08:05.08 | fredl | I had Debian testing installed on the server, three disks in there, one disk standalone and the others in LVM |
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| 08:05.51 | liars | cheeseboy have you ever configured it intentionally? |
| 08:05.57 | fredl | I installed a new rootdisk in there and installed ubuntu on it because it's the only CD I had handy. |
| 08:06.14 | cheeseboy | liars, no just is like that :/ |
| 08:06.31 | fredl | fdisk -l does see the two old disks but pvscan complains about the UUID's it can't find. |
| 08:06.40 | liars | cheeseboy what kind of sound hardware do u have? |
| 08:07.13 | fredl | do the disk's UUID's get created during installation of the OS or something? |
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| 08:07.44 | cheeseboy | liars, High Definition Audio ALC268 |
| 08:07.46 | fredl | I just need to mount the lvm disks under Ubuntu for recovery of the data |
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| 08:08.12 | cheeseboy | i nvr got that uuid thing |
| 08:08.24 | cheeseboy | just confuses me |
| 08:08.38 | cheeseboy | stick to /dev/sda1 or w/e |
| 08:08.40 | ebx | Anyone able to install grub2 on debian ? |
| 08:09.06 | azeem | ebx: all the people who successfully did so |
| 08:09.22 | ebx | azeem, update-grub |
| 08:09.22 | ebx | grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /. |
| 08:09.31 | fredl | cheeseboy, well I don't believe I had anything with UUID's configured under Debian when the system was still up and running. |
| 08:09.39 | azeem | ebx: I haven't installed grub2 |
| 08:09.54 | fredl | cheeseboy, kind of hard to remember, I kept the server running but the LVM I set up quite a long time ago. |
| 08:10.26 | fredl | so I'm wondering if installing the temporary Ubuntu actually introduced the disk UUID's where I may not need them. |
| 08:10.42 | izua | i need to see the first few characters of two block devices (/dev/sd?) in hex or bin (or anything !ascii) |
| 08:10.46 | izua | any ideas? |
| 08:11.15 | azeem | izua: hexdump maybe |
| 08:11.48 | fredl | I'm wondering if I should just make a testing netinst CD and simply install it over the Ubuntu install. |
| 08:12.30 | azeem | fredl: in general, one installs stable and then upgrades |
| 08:12.38 | azeem | unless one wants to develop debian-installer |
| 08:13.18 | izua | what's the simplest ascii to hex viewer? that i might find it even on an install cd |
| 08:13.18 | fredl | azeem - I know, but I figured installing testing would be faster, I *need* to recover the data from these LVM disks and that's all I really need to do. |
| 08:13.21 | izua | (or the base system |
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| 08:14.09 | fredl | azeem - I had LVM running under testing for the longest time. Do you think I can access those volumes if I install a stable netinst? |
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| 08:14.55 | fredl | I really have no clue right now if stable is up to date enough for that, haven't used stable for the longest time |
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| 08:14.57 | ebx | Anone have packages of grub older then 1.96+20090808-1 for amd64 ? |
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| 08:15.11 | ebx | but still from this year |
| 08:15.27 | azeem | fredl: I did not look (nor have time to look) at your original problem, sorry |
| 08:15.39 | azeem | ebx: maybe try snapshot.debian.net |
| 08:15.40 | fredl | azeem - no problem. |
| 08:15.44 | ebx | azeem, too old |
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| 08:16.59 | izua | hm, nevermind, i dded a bunch of kbs from both devices and changed to hex mode in vim |
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| 08:17.33 | fredl | could anybody help me with an LVM problem I'm having? |
| 08:17.42 | ebx | bvs, do you have older grub ? |
| 08:18.17 | fredl | it may well be a small and trivial problem, only thing is I don't have enough actual knowledge about LVM to assess how much of a problem it is. |
| 08:18.58 | ebx | fredl, lots of problems |
| 08:19.16 | ebx | fredl, if you want desktop |
| 08:19.23 | fredl | ebx - I just need to recover some data after a rootdisk flameout. |
| 08:19.45 | fredl | the rootdisk was in my Debian testing server. |
| 08:19.51 | ebx | fredl, I merly use features of lvm while I cause problems more tims |
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| 08:20.02 | fredl | ok, np, thanks. |
| 08:20.07 | fredl | anybody else please? |
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| 08:20.17 | oreo | fredl: what's your question? |
| 08:20.20 | ajavid | huh |
| 08:20.38 | AlteKiet | how can i force a certain disk to be named eg /dev/hda at boot time? |
| 08:20.41 | fredl | oreo - I want to recover data on two LVM disks that were in my Debian testing server. |
| 08:20.45 | ebx | Anyone has grub2 package from 2009 but older then 1.96+20090808 ? |
| 08:20.47 | oreo | with exim, when the deny message is too long, it gives me "503 Valid RCPT command must precede DATA": http://nopaste.org/p/aFxwB1jsrb |
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| 08:21.02 | oreo | fredl: ahh |
| 08:21.10 | oreo | that shall be hard i believe |
| 08:21.18 | fredl | oreo - I installed a scratch Ubuntu on a new rootdisk, but now when I do pvscan I get messages about UUID's that cannot be found. |
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| 08:21.25 | ebx | Anyone has grub2 package from 2009 but older then 1.96+20090808 for amd64 ? |
| 08:21.40 | ajavid | re!repeat |
| 08:21.42 | ajavid | !repeat |
| 08:21.43 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:21.53 | oreo | ajavid: ??? |
| 08:21.56 | fredl | oreo - I don't think it will be that hard, problem is I don't have enough actual knowledge about LVM |
| 08:22.07 | oreo | i think people love to give lessons to others |
| 08:22.21 | ajavid | ebx, ^ |
| 08:22.23 | fredl | oreo - I think the scratch Ubuntu install assigned some random UUID's to the two extra disks it found |
| 08:22.42 | oreo | UUID's are supposed to be random |
| 08:22.52 | fredl | oreo - and those new UUID's simply don't match the old UUID's of the Debian install |
| 08:22.55 | fredl | *nod* |
| 08:23.25 | fredl | so they are random now... and when I type pvscan I get: |
| 08:23.26 | oreo | but the UUID's are for the lv partitions |
| 08:23.36 | fredl | root@positron:~# pvscan |
| 08:23.36 | kraut | moin |
| 08:23.37 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.00 | fredl | which is correct obviously as my disks now have different UUID's |
| 08:24.24 | oreo | hmm |
| 08:24.32 | oreo | what if you do a fdisk? |
| 08:24.44 | fredl | fdisk -l you mean? |
| 08:24.49 | oreo | does that at least see correct partitions? |
| 08:24.54 | fredl | yes |
| 08:25.17 | fredl | I am quite certain that the two LVM disks are unchanged and working properly |
| 08:25.37 | oreo | i guess it might work to hardcode the uuid to the old ones (if you remember them) |
| 08:25.45 | oreo | but i doubt that this would be an easy feat |
| 08:26.08 | fredl | well I don't remember them obviously :) but the pvscan tells me which UUID's it cannot find. |
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| 08:26.46 | oreo | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2008-03/msg01146.html |
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| 08:27.37 | fredl | I read that earlier, but that's a somewhat different situation right? |
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| 08:27.51 | oreo | fredl: since it seems you're having an issue with the disk itself |
| 08:27.52 | tobby | hi |
| 08:27.56 | oreo | try pvchange --uuid |
| 08:28.02 | oreo | hi tobby |
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| 08:28.05 | fredl | that's about two *new* disks |
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| 08:28.55 | fredl | ayt, I'll go check on the syntax and proper use of pvchange, that seems like it may be the way to go |
| 08:29.13 | fredl | tnx for now. |
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| 08:29.18 | oreo | i wonder why it changed the uuid though |
| 08:29.38 | fredl | yeah me too, but that may be because this is now Ubuntu and no longer Debian. |
| 08:29.52 | oreo | after all, uuid's were created to be unique, not so that a new OS could just change the number |
| 08:30.08 | fredl | that's why I was just wondering if it may be easier to burn a netinst CD and install Debian over the Ubuntu install |
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| 08:30.30 | fredl | shouldn't the UUID's be installed somehow on the disk itself? |
| 08:30.39 | oreo | if only zfs was available for linux, i'm sure it would ease the disk admin's pain |
| 08:30.47 | oreo | they are |
| 08:31.03 | oreo | (logically they should be) |
| 08:31.04 | fredl | strange... |
| 08:31.16 | oreo | if i may |
| 08:31.23 | oreo | why do you want to use ubuntu over debian? |
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| 08:31.47 | fredl | it's only coz I had a boot CD handy for Ubuntu at 3am :) |
| 08:32.07 | fredl | and couldn't find any actual Debian CD :) |
| 08:32.19 | oreo | i guess it wasn't for a very important server then... |
| 08:32.38 | oreo | also, a debian netinst would have taken you 10 minutes to download and 5 to burn |
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| 08:34.01 | dsdeiz | howto check version of debian through terminal again? |
| 08:34.06 | fredl | well probably even less than that except when you're real tired and just want to try and get the basics back up and running nothing seems trivial. |
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| 08:34.15 | liable | dsdeiz: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:34.24 | dsdeiz | tnx |
| 08:34.45 | liable | libc6 version is sometimes better if you have a mongrel box |
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| 08:34.59 | fredl | anyway, maybe it's the best thing to still DL the netinst iso and burn it |
| 08:35.15 | oreo | fredl: for future references, yes =) |
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| 08:36.08 | fredl | oreo - it's not often that you get your central server's rootdisk to flameout man :P |
| 08:36.46 | oreo | if it's a central server, you use raid, don't you? |
| 08:36.53 | fredl | even though I know all the sysadmin's drills, after years of stable operating some procedures wear out. |
| 08:37.05 | AlteKiet | at boot time, the disk with the root filesystem gets assigned a different name all the time (hda and hde). How can I force grub / kernel to assign the same name to a certain disk at boot time? |
| 08:37.10 | fredl | oh, the most important data for it is sitting on my NAS |
| 08:37.28 | fredl | but the LVM data is not of trivial importance either. |
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| 08:38.30 | fredl | for now I'd like it best if I can simply access the volumes, dump them all to my NAS and completely wipe out the server and start from scratch |
| 08:38.51 | Tiffon | nas |
| 08:39.12 | fredl | that's really all I want to do :) I'm even considering buying a complete new machine. |
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| 08:39.42 | fredl | but I'm kinda really picky about what I want to see in the new hardware. |
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| 08:40.18 | oreo | AlteKiet: you might be interested to use UID's, if your problem is with fstab |
| 08:40.29 | fredl | I'd like to be able to run a Windows virtual host on it as well with native graphics card support and that seems rather, shall we say, impossible still. |
| 08:41.12 | oreo | it's not impossible actually |
| 08:41.18 | oreo | (got that from reading) |
| 08:41.34 | oreo | you can assign direct access to a video card in xen |
| 08:41.44 | fredl | oreo - well the idea has been around forever, it's just the hardware that needs to be very specific. |
| 08:41.53 | oreo | out of curiosity, what did you install on your NAS? Or is it proprietary? |
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| 08:41.59 | fredl | yup, with IOMMU isolation. |
| 08:42.25 | fredl | nope, it's one of those NAS's that have Linux on it. |
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| 08:43.18 | fredl | forgot what brand/type it is, it's downstairs in the closet with the server :) |
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| 08:43.23 | Spockz|lap | we have a machine here that if you tell it to shutdown -h it keeps waiting until the power is really taken from him |
| 08:43.31 | Spockz|lap | so it stays on |
| 08:43.49 | Spockz|lap | like the old windows machine that tell you that "It is now safe to turn of your power" |
| 08:44.11 | oreo | my dad recently bought a new server. Since he's cheap he didn't get a rackmount with a 8-10 drive bay. I would have liked to have multiple medium-sized disks, but since we only have a 5-drive bay, we have to use large disks |
| 08:44.22 | oreo | and i think using large disks sucks for performance |
| 08:44.46 | oreo | right now i'm getting a whooping 1.85MBps write speed with samba |
| 08:44.47 | fredl | really? I dunno, what types of drives are in there? |
| 08:44.49 | oreo | pretty crappy |
| 08:45.23 | oreo | for now 2x1TB, that will be accompanies by 2x500GB (there was data on one of them which i'm transfering to the 1TB) |
| 08:45.29 | Spockz|lap | oreo: that's really bad and I don't think it's all due to just having not that much drives |
| 08:45.32 | fredl | you're using lvm over multiple SATA disks or something? |
| 08:45.32 | jelly | oreo: how did you confirm it's the disks that are the bottleneck? |
| 08:45.42 | oreo | i haven't confirmed it yet |
| 08:45.51 | oreo | was waiting to have internet back up to get banchmarking programs |
| 08:45.56 | jelly | oh, you're whining preemptively |
| 08:45.57 | oreo | (they're in a LVM+RAID btw) |
| 08:46.04 | oreo | jelly: yes i am ^^ |
| 08:46.17 | oreo | even if they're not the bottleneck, something is, and it sucks |
| 08:46.41 | jelly | my sata 1TB disks do about 90-100MB sustained sequential read or write |
| 08:46.57 | oreo | do you guys have any quick benchmarking tools that's simple to read to output? |
| 08:46.57 | fredl | oreo - well the speed of combined disks matters most on what kind of hardware interface right? IDE/SATA suck for that while SCSI/SAS is uhh better. |
| 08:47.20 | fredl | well that always used to be the case at least... |
| 08:47.32 | oreo | they're SATA disks. i have yet to see a 1TB SAS/SCSI sold on newegg |
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| 08:47.48 | oreo | and they're damn expensive; not sure many home users have that |
| 08:47.54 | jelly | oreo: is samba the server, client or both? |
| 08:47.56 | oreo | probably not the small companies either |
| 08:47.58 | fredl | I had SCSI disks years ago for that reason until SATA disks so outpaced the price/storage capacity |
| 08:48.04 | oreo | samba server, windows xp or 7 client |
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| 08:48.32 | fredl | oreo - I know. SAS disks are real sweet but don't want to pay the premium price for them either. |
| 08:48.52 | jelly | oreo: does testing the network connectivity with iperf reveal any network issues? |
| 08:48.54 | fredl | I'm thinking I want to go buy a Core i7 server |
| 08:49.46 | fredl | anyway, I'm going to troll on #ubuntu for a bit to see if there's anybody with a brain on there who can tell me why the Ubuntu install seems to have changed my disk's UUID's |
| 08:50.02 | oreo | jelly: it's a gigabit network, so even a low 5MBps should be doable on such network |
| 08:50.08 | jelly | oreo: samba is a chatty protocol; on a 100Mbps network, you can't get more than 7-8MB/s out of it. NFS reaches about 95% the line speed (11-12MB/s) |
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| 08:50.33 | jelly | oreo: be sure to tune tcp window settings on the samba side |
| 08:50.42 | oreo | NFS isn't very useful for windows machines though |
| 08:50.52 | oreo | i tuned to the settings they indicated |
| 08:51.19 | oreo | socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 |
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| 08:52.07 | jelly | I have that, and get decentish speeds (your wanted 5-6MB/s is common) |
| 08:52.51 | oreo | well i'd like the higest possible speed with samba |
| 08:52.57 | jelly | oreo: can you ramp those up to say 64k instead of 8k? |
| 08:53.04 | oreo | i don't see an easier way to share files on windows |
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| 08:53.40 | oreo | jelly: i don't know how the buffers affect the speed, so i just left as told by the doc |
| 08:53.55 | oreo | when i'm done transfering files, i'll try with 16 |
| 08:54.01 | jelly | use the TIAS doctrine! |
| 08:54.13 | oreo | ? |
| 08:54.15 | jelly | !tias |
| 08:54.15 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See"... or what you could have done first. |
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| 08:55.12 | oreo | [ 3] 0.0-10.1 sec 115 MBytes 95.7 Mbits/sec |
| 08:55.18 | oreo | not terrible for a gigabit network |
| 08:56.31 | fredl | hey oreo? |
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| 08:56.33 | fredl | I just noticed something strange. While I see the old disks with fdisk -l.... |
| 08:56.34 | fredl | I do *not* see the disks in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 08:56.52 | fredl | isn't that odd? |
| 08:56.56 | oreo | how come i get only 95Mbps on a gigabit switch?? |
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| 08:57.25 | oreo | fredl: might not put them because they are LVM disks |
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| 08:57.34 | oreo | thus you cannot directly mount them |
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| 08:58.09 | fredl | ok... Hmm so.. Hrmmm... |
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| 08:58.30 | jelly | oreo: a) one or both endpoint cards negotiated a 100Mbps link speed b) tcp window size is small |
| 08:58.41 | fredl | I'm wondering how to find out what UUID's the Ubuntu install does know the disks like |
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| 08:58.54 | oreo | let me check the link |
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| 08:59.14 | jelly | oreo: also c) don't expect more than 200-300 Mbps on cheap gigabit cards, but you're not even close to that yet |
| 08:59.26 | fredl | as expected nobody in #ubuntu even remotely seems to have a clue :( |
| 08:59.43 | oreo | jelly: you got me! |
| 08:59.44 | oreo | 24 Enabled Auto/Disabled 100M/Full/None Enabled |
| 08:59.45 | oreo | hahahaha |
| 09:00.10 | oreo | is there iperf for windows, since i'm transferring the files from there |
| 09:00.18 | oreo | i'm gonna try the 16K first |
| 09:00.22 | jelly | let me google that for you... |
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| 09:00.39 | jelly | http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=iperf+for+windows |
| 09:00.54 | jelly | oreo: just ramp it up to 64k right away |
| 09:01.58 | jelly | 256K would be better but I'm not sure samba would allow it... my mp3 share server has it set to ... |
| 09:02.00 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.05 | oreo | it's now around 5MBps |
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| 09:02.23 | oreo | gonna crank it up some more |
| 09:02.23 | fredl | ok, found 'blkid' that's handy... |
| 09:02.39 | oreo | fredl: yes, it is =) forgot to tell you about it :/ |
| 09:02.43 | jelly | oreo: that's acceptable for a samba server. windows <-> windows manage to get 7-8 MBps somehow |
| 09:02.54 | oreo | jelly: i like the "somehow" xD |
| 09:03.14 | jelly | they're more compatible! Use windows! |
| 09:03.16 | fredl | blkid tells me I have 4 partitions with TYPE="lvm2pv" |
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| 09:03.36 | oreo | do you recommend another method than samba for windows file sharing? the other methods just don't seem convenient (nfs, ftp) |
| 09:03.37 | fredl | none of the UUID's associated with those partitions are the UUID that pvscan seems to be 'missing' |
| 09:03.48 | fredl | that's... interesting. |
| 09:03.58 | oreo | jelly: i read that samba is faster than a windows server |
| 09:04.13 | oreo | fredl: so your drives are not at fault? |
| 09:04.22 | fredl | nope, I don't think so. |
| 09:04.27 | jelly | oreo: perhaps if tuned properly, I never had to investigate it in depth |
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| 09:04.42 | fredl | so my best bet is really just to install a Debian netinst and try again. |
| 09:05.02 | fredl | I've always had the impression that LVM wasn't really all that well integrated in Ubuntu |
| 09:05.24 | fredl | an Ubuntu install doesn't even give the option last time I checked to install on an LVM root. |
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| 09:05.44 | oreo | wow, with 65536 it goes around 11-12MBps |
| 09:05.51 | jelly | there ya go |
| 09:05.59 | jelly | now go to 256K if you dare! |
| 09:06.00 | oreo | at first it went around 7-8 |
| 09:06.04 | oreo | then it just cranked up! |
| 09:06.16 | scorche | !ops ``Kumru is messaging with porn queries upon entry |
| 09:06.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: scorche complains about: ``Kumru is messaging with porn queries upon entry |
| 09:06.20 | jelly | oreo: yeah, tcp window scaling algos are weird that way |
| 09:06.28 | oreo | jelly: you mean 262144? |
| 09:06.42 | jelly | (256K? aye) |
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| 09:07.36 | oreo | it's actually very fun to change those options, when it actually makes it better |
| 09:07.37 | oreo | haha |
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| 09:08.13 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I'v got a PAM/mkhomedir question. Currently, I got a working setup with OpenLDAP,NFS,PAM auth. The homedir is on the NFS server. My wish is to create automatically the homedir when the user first connect (so, using mkhomedir), but that currently do fail, is it possible to do that ? |
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| 09:09.40 | azeem | henry-nicolas: how does it fail? |
| 09:10.16 | henry-nicolas | azeem : pam_mkhomedir(sshd:session): unable to create directory /home/test2: No such file or directory |
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| 09:10.26 | oreo | jelly: i guess going above 64K doesn't change anything |
| 09:10.29 | oreo | i tried 128K too |
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| 09:10.34 | maddash | hi |
| 09:10.39 | Without | hi |
| 09:10.41 | henry-nicolas | azeem : the authentication is working but it faills on the folder creation |
| 09:10.50 | Without | can i set mod_evasive on directories? |
| 09:10.53 | maddash | why has ``Kumru private messaged me with a link to porno videos? |
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| 09:11.07 | fredl | aha another handy command 'lshal' |
| 09:11.09 | scorche | spam bot... |
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| 09:11.28 | oreo | maddash: ops were already notified |
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| 09:11.41 | maddash | oreo: thanks |
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| 09:12.27 | fredl | so lshal does seem to see the LVM partitions.... |
| 09:12.33 | Maulkin | wonders why the bot didn't pick that up... |
| 09:12.41 | oreo | with exim, when the deny message is too long (got that through tests), it gives me "503 Valid RCPT command must precede DATA": http://nopaste.org/p/aFxwB1jsrb |
| 09:13.23 | oreo | i wonder why it's called lshal |
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| 09:13.37 | fredl | well because it lists the HAL devices :P |
| 09:13.43 | fredl | grins |
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| 09:14.16 | fredl | not to be a dick but it seems pretty obvious no? :) |
| 09:14.47 | fredl | oi, this is priceless https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/32814: |
| 09:14.58 | fredl | "I don't know if this is relevant but the Desktop CD also does not recognise LVM partitions that another silly distro insists on creating by default." |
| 09:15.10 | fredl | 'another silly distro'... |
| 09:15.19 | fredl | can you believe that?!?! ROTFL |
| 09:15.40 | jelly | fredl: is this relevant for #debian? |
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| 09:15.59 | fredl | jelly - yes. |
| 09:16.48 | fredl | jelly - I'm having problems recognizing my LVM partitions in a temporary Ubuntu setup. |
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| 09:17.33 | fredl | I know some people get somewhat gnarly re. Ubuntu, including myself :-) |
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| 09:17.48 | jelly | fredl: but... why do you expect #d to be able to help with bugs in Ubuntu? |
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| 09:18.10 | jelly | (let alone the offtopicness for a second) |
| 09:18.32 | liable | witch! burn her! |
| 09:19.05 | fredl | its not offtopic is it? I have LVM disks created under Debian which I've run on the server for years. |
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| 09:19.35 | oreo | jelly: the partitions were created using debian |
| 09:19.38 | fredl | now it may or may not be an Ubuntu bug that it does not recognize Debian created LVM volumes. |
| 09:19.39 | jelly | fredl: but your current question is "why doesn't Ubuntu read my [Debian made] LVM" |
| 09:19.56 | jelly | would use a debian-based rescue cd like grml.org to verify the LVM issue |
| 09:20.06 | aaron | hey i have a question how come my wmv files don't sound, im using debian amd 64 |
| 09:20.11 | aaron | and the files are opening but no audio |
| 09:20.12 | oreo | yeah do as jelly says |
| 09:20.31 | fredl | correct but the answer to that question may still be either 'your Debian LVM partitions are hosed' or 'Ubuntu is buggy and won't properly recognize them' |
| 09:20.35 | oreo | btw, it seems that in the end you might have been better off spending those 15 minutes getting a debian netinst ;) |
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| 09:20.56 | fredl | grml.org? ah now we're talking :) lemme check that. |
| 09:20.58 | liable | aaron: something is probably hogging the soundcard. try lsof /dev/dsp or fuser |
| 09:21.07 | oreo | fredl: do you expect anyone here to tell you that debian would hose partitions and that it wouldn't be ubuntu's fault? xD |
| 09:21.14 | fredl | oreo - indeed. but it's learning time :) |
| 09:21.30 | fredl | oreo - LOL |
| 09:21.30 | aaron | liable, nothing |
| 09:21.35 | jelly | oreo: I'd expect that. Debian is buggy crap. And PC hardware is buggy crap, too |
| 09:21.54 | oreo | indeed |
| 09:22.03 | aaron | Requested audio codec family [wma9dmo] (afm=dmo) not available. |
| 09:22.03 | aaron | Enable it at compilation. |
| 09:22.03 | aaron | Requested audio codec family [wmadmo] (afm=dmo) not available. |
| 09:22.03 | aaron | Enable it at compilation. |
| 09:22.03 | aaron | Cannot find codec for audio format 0x162. |
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| 09:22.15 | aaron | im getting that error with mplayer |
| 09:22.18 | oreo | i can't believe after "all" these years, PC's get faster but not better (actually it's the software's fault too) |
| 09:22.22 | jelly | aaron: get your mplayer from dmm instead |
| 09:22.27 | jelly | aaron: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 09:22.38 | liable | aaron: you installed w32codecs? |
| 09:22.40 | oreo | what's the paster bot? |
| 09:22.49 | jelly | !paste |
| 09:22.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 09:23.02 | aaron | liable, nope the w64codecs |
| 09:23.07 | oreo | so it's not a bot, it's a web service |
| 09:23.16 | liable | pedantic |
| 09:23.22 | liable | both of you ^^ |
| 09:23.51 | jelly | oreo: nag dondelelcaro to fix that message! |
| 09:24.07 | liable | which message? |
| 09:24.16 | jelly | debhelper's kick message |
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| 09:24.28 | liable | oh |
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| 09:24.33 | aaron | any help? |
| 09:25.00 | jelly | aaron: you've already installed mplayer from dmm and it still doesn't work? |
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| 09:25.20 | aaron | right |
| 09:25.32 | oreo | btw, what do you guys think about that tip to speed up samba transfer speeds (not sure if it would on my system)? http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20051107090652912 |
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| 09:25.48 | oreo | would net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 pose potential security concerns? |
| 09:26.03 | jelly | aaron: can you upload an example unplayasble file someplace? |
| 09:26.12 | fredl | hmm grm seems pretty cool. |
| 09:26.23 | aaron | ?? |
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| 09:29.33 | hypyrbole | if I want a cron task to go once an hour on the 30 minute mark of every hour, is this the correct entry in root's crontab? ---> 30 * * * * /etc/init.d/ntp restart <--- |
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| 09:30.03 | jelly | hypyrbole: yes |
| 09:30.04 | oreo | hypyrbole: yes, but why do you want to do that? |
| 09:30.19 | empiric1 | guys any 1 use kprop in debian |
| 09:30.26 | hypyrbole | thx jelly & oreo here's why... |
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| 09:30.44 | neo8848 | sfConfig::get('sf_upload_dir') gives the filesystem path to upload, how do i get the relative web path? |
| 09:30.56 | oreo | btw, my damn clock is still 4 minutes beyond the ref clock :< |
| 09:31.08 | jelly | hypyrbole: make your ntp service work properly instead (or just run ntpdate every now and then if it fails to sync itself) |
| 09:31.11 | hypyrbole | debian vm in console only on winxp host. clock goes out 30 minutes every 12 hours, screwing with my other cron tasks |
| 09:31.29 | jelly | hypyrbole: forget about ntp inside a vm... not possible |
| 09:31.39 | neo8848 | oops, wrong channel, sorry guys |
| 09:31.43 | hypyrbole | am i approaching this right? |
| 09:31.47 | jelly | hypyrbole: run ntpdate every 5 minutes, or something like that |
| 09:31.51 | hypyrbole | I just did it and it works though |
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| 09:32.32 | jelly | hypyrbole: it's just that the clock inside your vm goes wild. If you can, install your vm solution "guest additions" to keep the clock synced to the host |
| 09:32.54 | jelly | hypyrbole: that's because the init script runs ntpdate before starting the ntp server |
| 09:32.55 | oreo | jelly: that's rather terrible and chatty |
| 09:34.10 | jelly | oreo: it works better than ntpd trying to make sense of a completely screwed clock of a (vmware, or vbox, or probably other) vm guest |
| 09:34.25 | oreo | i guess that's true |
| 09:34.47 | jelly | even the guest additions basically do that every 2 seconds or so |
| 09:34.55 | jelly | (they just sync to the host instead) |
| 09:34.57 | oreo | since we're on ntp, would you happen to know why my clock is never close to the reference time? |
| 09:35.17 | hypyrbole | jelly I know the clocks inside vms go wild without the guest additions. But guest additions only sort the clock out when X is installed. I installed the additions to get shared folders working, which do, but the clock still un-syncs. Hence I installed ntp and it works now. I'm just after the correct cron entry. |
| 09:35.22 | oreo | (since about yesterday when i got internet for a longer time than the last buggy week) |
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| 09:35.25 | cantido | maybe it's still being ticked towards the right time.. |
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| 09:35.39 | hypyrbole | I'm in console-only on the vm, btw |
| 09:35.41 | jelly | hypyrbole: it doesn't work if you have to restart it |
| 09:35.43 | cantido | hypyrbole: you can use the openvm tools too |
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| 09:36.15 | oreo | jelly: try setting iburst to the servers, and run ntpd -qg in a cron |
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| 09:36.26 | hypyrbole | internetting opnvm tools now |
| 09:36.27 | oreo | but yeah cron isn't supposed to be restarted |
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| 09:36.35 | jelly | ntpd* |
| 09:36.39 | jelly | aye |
| 09:36.39 | cantido | hypyrbole: it's in debian |
| 09:36.40 | oreo | did you guys read my problem? |
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| 09:37.08 | jelly | no, one question a day! :-> |
| 09:37.13 | cantido | hypyrbole: open-vm-tools - tools and components for VMware guest systems (CLI tools) |
| 09:37.20 | oreo | !quota |
| 09:37.20 | dpkg | [quota] a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
| 09:37.31 | oreo | !one_question_a_day_quota |
| 09:37.35 | oreo | ha |
| 09:37.36 | oreo | see |
| 09:37.40 | jelly | oreo: I just made it up. |
| 09:37.41 | oreo | no rule there |
| 09:37.45 | oreo | jelly: i know ^^ |
| 09:37.51 | jelly | sure there is, I just made it up! |
| 09:40.00 | jelly | oreo: older versions of debian installer used to create broken /etc/adjtime, which makes things worse. People more knowledgeable than me suggested a fix was to wipe the file, wipe /var/lib/ntp/drift, remove the invocation of adjtimex at bootup in init scripts, and make ntpd do its job instead |
| 09:40.21 | oreo | i installed lenny about a week ago |
| 09:40.43 | jelly | oreo: cat /etc/adjtime? |
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| 09:40.57 | oreo | non-empty |
| 09:41.07 | oreo | 0.015628 1251133431 0.000000 |
| 09:41.07 | oreo | 1251133431 |
| 09:41.07 | oreo | LOCAL |
| 09:41.27 | fas3r_ | if i share internet connection on a windows computer is it interpret like a router or an hub ? |
| 09:41.53 | jelly | oreo: make that first number 0.000000 as well (or wipe the file) |
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| 09:42.04 | fas3r | if you prefer i need to block ttl with iptables to 1 |
| 09:42.11 | oreo | jelly: will it be recreated at reboot? |
| 09:42.25 | jelly | oreo: not sure but I think not |
| 09:42.35 | oreo | so it's only created by the installer? |
| 09:42.35 | fas3r | and i want to know if what's work ? :) |
| 09:43.12 | oreo | restarts ntp |
| 09:46.48 | oreo | jelly: thanks a lot, "only" 4 seconds of difference |
| 09:46.58 | oreo | now hopefully it'll be in sync within a few days |
| 09:47.09 | fas3r | i need to define the ttl on iptables to 1 computer / router (just one jump) .. i need to define it in the mangle PREROUTING or in the OUTPUT ? |
| 09:47.30 | jelly | oreo: see if the ntpd outputs lines like |
| 09:47.32 | jelly | Aug 18 16:29:32 mxscan2 ntpd[27733]: synchronized to 93.84.115.3, stratum 2 |
| 09:47.32 | jelly | Aug 18 16:29:32 mxscan2 ntpd[27733]: kernel time sync enabled 0001 |
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| 09:47.46 | oreo | in syslog? |
| 09:47.47 | jelly | oreo: /var/log/daemon.log |
| 09:48.02 | oreo | Aug 26 11:46:17 central ntpd[30224]: synchronized to 145.238.203.14, stratum 1 |
| 09:48.02 | oreo | Aug 26 11:46:17 central ntpd[30224]: kernel time sync status change 0001 |
| 09:48.06 | oreo | was in syslog |
| 09:48.09 | jelly | could be 15 minutes, could be days, dunno |
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| 09:48.44 | oreo | is it normal to be in daemon.log AND syslog? |
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| 09:48.53 | jelly | syslog is a catchall afair |
| 09:48.54 | oreo | (same with the other daemons) |
| 09:49.11 | jelly | /etc/syslog.conf and disable it if you wish |
| 09:49.58 | oreo | file is empty |
| 09:50.13 | oreo | not sure i should mess with syslog though |
| 09:50.24 | jelly | it's normal anyway |
| 09:50.30 | jelly | lenny might be using rsyslog |
| 09:52.32 | oreo | yep, it does |
| 09:53.10 | oreo | daemon.* -/var/log/daemon.log |
| 09:53.41 | oreo | anyone care to explain the - sign or do i have to ask google? |
| 09:54.44 | petemc | depending on the context, stdin/stdout |
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| 09:55.26 | jelly | oreo: it's a rtfm, makes the daemon _not_ sync the file to the disk immediately after an entry is written to it |
| 09:55.58 | jelly | in the case of a crash, you might lose log lines |
| 09:56.06 | oreo | ok thanks |
| 09:56.19 | oreo | i guess it might be useful for people who want to spin-down disks |
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| 09:56.45 | jelly | not having it is very bad for performance |
| 09:56.47 | oreo | i was considering that, but read that disks might actually have a shorten lifespan when spinning them down |
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| 10:01.08 | albech | is it possible to install virt-manager without the entire gnome, since i plan on exporting X to my workstation? |
| 10:01.42 | azeem | albech: sure |
| 10:01.51 | cantido | albech: most X11 apps only depend on the base libraries |
| 10:01.57 | azeem | it does not depend on "entire gnome" |
| 10:02.24 | albech | azeem: cause when i do apt-get install virt-manager it want to install 177 packages ;) |
| 10:02.39 | azeem | still not entire gnome |
| 10:03.22 | azeem | albech: maybe try apt-get install --no-install-recommends virt-manager |
| 10:03.23 | azeem | or something |
| 10:03.54 | albech | down to 104 packages ;) |
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| 10:07.04 | fas3r | i have test this : iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -j TTL --ttl-set 1 but the client and the computer behind the other computer have error with ttl ... and don't join outside (like google for example) |
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| 10:08.22 | hypyrbole | Thanks to all for helping and suggestions re: ntp / ntpd |
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| 10:09.48 | poney-in-hell | hi everybody, i'm experiencing issue with my X11 server, impossible to boot, i'm stuck in shell... my log seems to tell that my nvidia card has problem : nv_vm_malloc, out_of_memory... |
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| 10:10.47 | poney-in-hell | * i didn't install or update anything (yeah that's weird) and dpkg-reconf give me errors. anyone has an idea ? |
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| 10:15.48 | oreo | since there are AFS drivers for windows, I'm wondering if i should use AFS rather than samba/netbios |
| 10:15.54 | rumpsy | I downloaded a latest lenny from debian org... its an cd image1.. actually i found more than 12 image files... but i downloaded disc1.. is that ok to install lenny in my computer |
| 10:16.02 | petemc | yes |
| 10:16.33 | rumpsy | petmec:Then what about the remaining image files |
| 10:17.06 | petemc | rumpsy: they contain packages, but most people grab packages directly from the mirrors after installing |
| 10:17.46 | rumpsy | petemc:ho u mean that cd1 is the base to install right??? |
| 10:18.11 | petemc | rumpsy: yes, or you can use an even smaller net install disc |
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| 10:19.52 | rumpsy | petemc: what should i do... during software seletion in debian... can i give "install base" because i not having intenet in my home...now i'm in office |
| 10:20.10 | MrWax | is it possible to see in netstat on linux for how much time a certain connection is 'ESTABLISHED' ? |
| 10:20.16 | petemc | rumpsy: if you have cd1 you should be fine |
| 10:20.54 | petemc | rumpsy: you can also download dvd images which you can use apt with |
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| 10:30.40 | wintix | can i get debian to query a second nameserver if the first one doesn't return a result? simply adding a second nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf doesn't work |
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| 10:32.48 | lsd | wintix, i'm pretty sure it does work |
| 10:33.37 | lsd | http://linux.die.net/man/5/resolv.conf |
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| 10:38.33 | wintix | lsd: no, it doesn't work because the first server returns "doesn't exist" and that causes resolv to fail as well |
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| 10:43.14 | lsd | wintix, so the first one does return a result |
| 10:43.32 | lsd | wintix, (no record is still a result :) |
| 10:43.49 | wintix | lsd: you have a point :/ |
| 10:44.07 | fireba11 | doesn't exist != no record |
| 10:44.15 | lsd | either way |
| 10:44.44 | lsd | wintix, are any of the nameservers yours? |
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| 10:47.06 | wintix | lsd: yes. the second one. well. let me explain. i'm trying to set up a nameserver for dn42.net internal use. i would like to be able to include the nameserver in e.g. my desktop pc while still having my in-house nameserver available |
| 10:47.39 | wintix | another option would be to redirect any *dn42 requests to the second nameserver, however i don't know if there is a possibility to define rules. hmm. |
| 10:48.00 | lsd | yes, i was going to suggest what you said there |
| 10:48.44 | wintix | i just thought of it without knowing if it's possible with resolv.conf - but it doesn't seem so. or i'm just misinterpreting the documentation |
| 10:49.05 | lsd | no, i don't think it's possible in that way |
| 10:49.17 | fireba11 | wintix: how about getting your clients to ask the internal DNS first? if he got no record of a domain entry the official DNS will be asked. if you ask official DNS first it will tell your client the entry does not exist and the client will stop asking about it |
| 10:49.18 | lsd | but setting up forwarders on your DNS server is a pretty easy thing to do |
| 10:50.17 | wintix | hm. i'll give it a try. thanks, fireba11, lsd! :) |
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| 10:50.49 | kronic | ok, I'm getting segfaults again, thought it was a physical hdd issue, my system manages to go up for 48 hours running several vms under vmware server 2, now after 48 hours, processes begin to segfault, I'm wondering if having the swap on an lvm is causing the issue, because the swap fails to deactivate (just hangs) when I attempt to shutdown/reboot |
| 10:51.29 | lsd | wintix, good luck |
| 10:51.31 | fireba11 | kronic: swap on LVM sounds like a really bad idea to me |
| 10:51.57 | petemc | why is swap on lvm a bad idea? |
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| 10:52.39 | kronic | fireba11: yeah, guess all I can do it have a crack at it, and see if that fixes the issue |
| 10:53.24 | fireba11 | petemc: is there any need to change swap? i don't think so so LVM isn't really needed here. also LVM is usually on a raid too, that is not needed for swap |
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| 10:55.17 | petemc | fireba11: no, but i still dont see the problem with it being on lvm, all my vms are lvm based, including their swap |
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| 10:56.48 | fireba11 | petemc: i could still imagine the hosts swap being on LVM could cause problems |
| 10:56.54 | kronic | not talking about the vms swap, about the virtual hosts swap |
| 10:57.08 | fireba11 | petemc: it shouldn't but i wouldn't be really surprised about it |
| 10:57.13 | kronic | yeah, my guess exactly, I'll move it, let you know how I go in 48 hours + |
| 10:57.19 | kronic | otherwise I'll throw the system through the wall :) |
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| 11:25.15 | spiekey | Hi |
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| 11:27.29 | AlteKiet | hi all, how can I assign a drive name (eg /dev/hda) to a certain drive at boot up? Sometimes drive names get mixed up so the bootup goes wrong |
| 11:28.02 | enouf | fix your broken buggy BIOS |
| 11:29.03 | enouf | it likely all goes awry when you plugin a usb drive prior to booting, amiright? heh |
| 11:29.04 | abrotman | eyeballs enouf |
| 11:29.24 | enouf | abrotman: hey wait - erm, this is freenode? |
| 11:29.54 | abrotman | no, it's an alternate universe |
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| 11:30.39 | AlteKiet | enouf: it had a pci-raid card and a usb drive. The two drives on the raid card and the boot drive get mixed up |
| 11:31.03 | abrotman | !uuid |
| 11:31.03 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 11:31.17 | enouf | AlteKiet: yeah - see my first post about it then ;-) |
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| 11:37.22 | enouf | fxiny!! no porbs! |
| 11:37.47 | abrotman | he's uh .. not here? |
| 11:38.14 | enouf | AlteKiet: your BIOS should have a couple of Boot Order related menus -one for Device ORder, and one for SystemBus order - priority |
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| 11:38.52 | enouf | abrotman: i know that! |
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| 11:40.09 | hollywoodb | I've been using rsync to back up my linux desktops to my lenny server, but now I have a couple windows clients as well. I've been using a per-directory backup via `rsync -avz`. Now that I have some windows systems I've been looking at something a little more friendly, maybe bacula? Any suggestions? |
| 11:40.27 | petemc | bacula isnt friendly |
| 11:40.30 | petemc | (ime) |
| 11:41.09 | petemc | hollywoodb: i use rsync via cifs mounts to backup windows data to linux machines, |
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| 11:41.28 | abrotman | amanda? |
| 11:41.43 | petemc | its also a bollocks to use, in my experience |
| 11:42.07 | enouf | dirvish! |
| 11:42.07 | hollywoodb | petemc: how are the permissions handled going from an ntfs/fat client to an ext2/3 server? |
| 11:42.20 | enouf | (unmaintained?) |
| 11:42.45 | enouf | for redmond homogenization, backuppc ? |
| 11:43.06 | cantido | didn't know ext3 had a server |
| 11:43.14 | petemc | hollywoodb: they arent, really |
| 11:43.24 | hollywoodb | petemc: that's what I figured. |
| 11:43.28 | oreo | do you guys know a good (free/opensource) alternative to roundcube [it doesn't support ldap auth] |
| 11:43.46 | petemc | squirrelmail is popular |
| 11:43.48 | fredl | hey guys. just installed a testing netinst image on a new rootdisk in an existing system. Problem seems that X doesn't come up and apt doesn't work |
| 11:43.56 | abrotman | oreo: it is free/opensource |
| 11:44.08 | abrotman | oreo: and horde/imp can auth via ldap IIRC |
| 11:44.10 | petemc | oreo: tine20 does mail/calendering etc, ldap is the only auth it supports |
| 11:44.14 | oreo | abrotman: [it doesn't support ldap auth] |
| 11:44.25 | cantido | oreo: eh? make your imap server do the ldap auth |
| 11:44.28 | oreo | horde/imp is too complex to set up |
| 11:44.31 | abrotman | oreo: and maybe the free zimbra version |
| 11:44.38 | abrotman | oreo: horde is not hard to set up |
| 11:44.38 | enouf | fredl: what's a rootdisk? |
| 11:45.01 | fredl | where my root fs is. |
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| 11:45.13 | oreo | abrotman: horde is bloaty when you just want to do imp |
| 11:45.14 | abrotman | oreo: horde/imp is actually pretty easy to setup .. if you read the docs i suppose |
| 11:45.25 | fredl | I used the whole new disk for the install, seemed to go pretty flawless. |
| 11:45.44 | fredl | oreo - I've been able to use the LVM disks BTW |
| 11:45.52 | cantido | oreo: you can also use PAM with roundcube IIRC |
| 11:46.01 | fredl | oreo - so it was definitely an Ubuntu snafu. |
| 11:46.03 | oreo | fredl: did you change the plv uuid? |
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| 11:46.21 | oreo | i forgot about imap auth in roundcube; that would be sufficient |
| 11:46.44 | fredl | oreo - nope, after the netinst install they were just there. I still get the error message about the non-existing UUID but lvscan does show the logical volumes |
| 11:46.49 | abrotman | oreo: and even if weren't .. roundcube is OSS, you could uh .. add the LDAP auth ? |
| 11:47.16 | petemc | is roundcube still too slow to use? |
| 11:47.17 | oreo | abrotman: was thinking about it; don't have time for now and already have another big project to complete |
| 11:47.30 | abrotman | petemc: IMO, pretty nice actually |
| 11:47.38 | cantido | oreo: apache can also use PAM/LDAP and pass that into roundcube |
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| 11:47.55 | abrotman | petemc: using horde and roundcube .. roundcube is more snazzy, horde has more features |
| 11:47.59 | oreo | fredl: i wonder what reference pvscan uses for the uuid's |
| 11:48.14 | abrotman | and roundcube is fast enough to use from what i've seen .. |
| 11:48.24 | abrotman | petemc: wait .. are you using maildir or mbox? |
| 11:48.31 | fredl | http://pastebin.ca/1543077 (that's after a clean netinst install) |
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| 11:48.38 | petemc | maildir |
| 11:48.52 | fredl | how would that happen?!?! |
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| 11:49.39 | oreo | fredl: try aptitude |
| 11:49.45 | fredl | I also pasted my /etc/apt/source.list in http://pastebin.ca/1543080 |
| 11:50.00 | petemc | abrotman: roundcube was known for being very slow, that may have changed |
| 11:50.18 | fredl | oreo - just like aptitude install xchat? |
| 11:50.27 | oreo | fredl: yes |
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| 11:50.39 | abrotman | petemc: give it a whirl .. the only issue i have is that they collapse all the folders by default .. and there's no "Expand All" that i've seen |
| 11:50.48 | petemc | ill look at it again |
| 11:50.51 | fredl | my goodness that gives a slew of output, it wants to remove 348 pkgs! |
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| 11:51.13 | fredl | oreo - think the apt server is out of sync perhaps? |
| 11:51.34 | oreo | fredl: unless you use a local server or whatever, it seems doubtful |
| 11:51.38 | oreo | try another server i guess |
| 11:51.38 | fredl | is 'squeeze' the testing distro? |
| 11:51.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:52.11 | fredl | is confused... why would aptitude want to remove 384 pkgs |
| 11:52.31 | abrotman | fredl: show us what you're triyng to do any the full output |
| 11:52.41 | cantido | fredl: did you install lots of stuff with apt-get previously? |
| 11:52.45 | abrotman | and the |
| 11:52.58 | Dave123_ | I'm trying to find out what a certain user on my linux shellbox has had in .bash_history a while ago, probably 2-3 weeks back, however, i guess he cleaned it with 'cat /dev/null > ~/.bash_history' - would there be any way to retrieve what commands this user on the system has been executing? |
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| 11:53.10 | fredl | cantido - nope this is a clean netinst install from a testing netinst iso |
| 11:53.24 | abrotman | Dave123_: system backup ? |
| 11:53.41 | Dave123_ | abrotman: is there any known system backup that is usually done by default in debian? |
| 11:54.01 | Dave123_ | Or that could have been configured ? |
| 11:54.03 | abrotman | not like that |
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| 11:54.20 | abrotman | fredl: aptitude update && aptitude install xchat |
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| 11:55.08 | Dave123_ | abrotman: what tools for debian that I would need to install , being not provided by a default debian config, in order to have a good system backup of stuff like this? |
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| 11:55.34 | DimmuR | i have wifi card that connects to wep protected network - everything is written in /etc/network/interfaces wlan section. Normally it works fine but sometimes when i have no response from ap i get disconnected and deauthenticated (reason: 7) - is it possible to configure interface to atomaticly connect into this network? |
| 11:55.38 | fredl | abrotman - I get this then: http://pastebin.ca/1543087 |
| 11:55.48 | abrotman | Dave123_: there are tons of different backup packages |
| 11:56.10 | cantido | Dave123_: I wouldn't think .bash_histroy is a good way of telling what people have been running really |
| 11:56.20 | Dave123_ | cantido: what then? |
| 11:56.22 | fredl | this one doesn't look good: |
| 11:56.29 | fredl | # |
| 11:56.30 | fredl | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 11:56.30 | fredl | # |
| 11:56.30 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:56.40 | fredl | oops |
| 11:56.42 | fredl | sowwy |
| 11:57.21 | fredl | two broken Perl pkgs in the testing dist? could that be true? |
| 11:57.27 | cantido | Dave123_:not sure off the top of my head, but backing up .bash_history won't help useless you back it up every millisecond |
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| 11:57.51 | cantido | Dave123_: and the use doesn't just fork another shell |
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| 11:58.17 | fredl | abrotman, to me that looks like an unsynched apt server, would you agree? |
| 11:58.49 | abrotman | fredl: you can add another mirror |
| 11:59.07 | abrotman | fredl: try "deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" |
| 11:59.29 | fredl | 'k. Just replace the servername in sources.list right? |
| 11:59.37 | abrotman | just add another one |
| 11:59.37 | Dave123_ | cantido: how do you mean 'doesnt fork another shell' ? |
| 11:59.48 | abrotman | you can figure out later if your original isn't syncing well each day |
| 11:59.50 | fredl | oh okay didn't even know that works. |
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| 12:00.54 | fredl | nope, didn't fix anything. Did a new aptitude update but apt still wants to throw away 384 pkgs |
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| 12:01.30 | cantido | Dave123_: ok, so I login to your system, and I either just launch another shell that doesn't log anywhere,.. but you would be able to see that, so I owuld just take advantage of some other binary on the system to fork a non-logging shell and you would never know |
| 12:02.02 | abrotman | fredl: are you using gnome ? |
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| 12:02.09 | fredl | abrotman - it may be installed, but not up and running yet |
| 12:02.23 | fredl | yup it's installed |
| 12:02.28 | cantido | Dave123_: basically you need to lock the system down so people can't run stuff you don't want them to opposed to trying to find out what they did after the fact |
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| 12:03.28 | Dave123_ | cantido: you are right, but how can i lock the system down, and this should be on specific utils? lets say irssi/vim/nano/pico only? basic tools like that ? |
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| 12:04.27 | cantido | Dave123_: maybe you need something like selinux, but that can be pretty difficult to setup |
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| 12:04.59 | enouf | Dave123_: sudo run commands would log to /var/log/auth.log* |
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| 12:05.11 | fredl | abrotman, maybe I should just try to run the aptitude then? |
| 12:05.32 | cantido | enouf: I think he's worried about non-root stuf too |
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| 12:05.36 | enouf | Dave123_: and any user-only privileged commands don't matter ;-) |
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| 12:05.48 | fredl | abrotman, from a quick scan I don't see very important pkgs nominated to be removed. |
| 12:05.57 | abrotman | you could let it happen then |
| 12:06.14 | fredl | just always freaks me out when I see so many pkgs being removed. |
| 12:06.35 | fredl | I'll give it a try, after all I still have the netinst disk :P |
| 12:06.48 | enouf | Dave123_: if you're looking for a jail type env, you might want to lock them each into their own VM, (xen, vbox, kvm, whatever) |
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| 12:07.06 | oreo | is there a way to use SHA1 (or even MD5) with courier-auth? [very few people in #courier] |
| 12:07.37 | enouf | Dave123_: vserver does to a degree, but not so much, as it uses shared RAM |
| 12:07.53 | cantido | oreo: If you're passwords are in ldap be difficult |
| 12:07.59 | cantido | oreo: s/you're/your/ |
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| 12:08.18 | Dave123_ | enouf: maybe yes |
| 12:08.22 | oreo | how come courier can't use a better cypher than CRYPT? |
| 12:08.43 | cantido | oreo: you should do auth over SSL anyhow |
| 12:08.45 | Dave123_ | enouf: how do you mean jail type env? what diff would creating a vbox vm make? |
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| 12:09.11 | Dave123_ | enouf: compared to adding just a new user on the system, what special settings do you recommend to set on the vbox vm? |
| 12:09.12 | oreo | cantido: it is |
| 12:09.41 | cantido | oreo: so the passwords are already crypted |
| 12:09.41 | oreo | but i want the password stored in ldap (or mysql) as an sha1, or at least md5 |
| 12:09.41 | jschoolcraft | I'm trying to install gitosis on lenny using apt and I'm getting an error: ERROR:gitosis.serve.main:Repository read access denied, where do I look for this? |
| 12:09.56 | enouf | Dave123_: they couldn't break out of their VM,(and affect system or other users) and if they do something stupid, you just blow away their VM instance |
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| 12:10.31 | cantido | oreo: unless they are plaintext on in the directory you need the password supplied in some sort of reversable cipher anyhow |
| 12:10.40 | enouf | Dave123_: which wouldn;t affect system or other users |
| 12:10.50 | oreo | cantido: they are sent plaintext over SSL |
| 12:10.51 | honschu | Is it possible to post to <submit@bugs.debian.org> with Package: XXX in the first line? |
| 12:11.01 | cantido | enouf: he's have loads of extra shit around though |
| 12:11.30 | enouf | extra shit? ok .. have it your way - there are other approaches certainly |
| 12:11.39 | Dave123_ | enouf: this basically also prevents them from running any util that listens on ANY tcp/udp port on my main ip right? |
| 12:11.48 | cantido | there's going to be better ways to do it, i.e. chroots without any compiler or enabling binaries around |
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| 12:12.13 | cantido | Dave123_: non-root users can't listen on ports below 1024 anyway |
| 12:12.33 | cantido | Dave123_: they need to listen on some ports for tcp to work though |
| 12:12.38 | Dave123_ | but above? i mean, what use does listening below 1024 have anyway |
| 12:12.48 | Dave123_ | cantido: ports like? |
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| 12:13.20 | enouf | main IP? depends what privs you give them, and how you setup the VMs (iface types, bridging, bonding, tun/tap etc) i'm no security guru Dave123_ - might ask in #security, and there was those grsecurity patchsets |
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| 12:13.21 | cantido | Dave123_:i.e they can't listen on port 80 |
| 12:13.36 | enouf | also as another mentioned SELinux |
| 12:13.43 | cantido | Dave123_: you can do that stuff with selinu though |
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| 12:14.09 | Dave123_ | ok will search SELinux |
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| 12:14.53 | cantido | Dave123_: you should play on a test server first though, selinux can stop root doing rooty things ;) |
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| 12:15.56 | enouf | chroot jails can be broken out of cantido |
| 12:16.23 | cantido | nothing to say a vm can't either though :/ |
| 12:17.15 | enouf | i mean, something like scponlyc might be what he wants, but it doesn't seem like it - also a user can install, and possibly replace/use their own modified binaries |
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| 12:17.37 | enouf | cantido: much harder in an isolated VM env |
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| 12:18.14 | hazynrg | hi |
| 12:18.23 | enouf | cantido: plus, as i mentioned, if they screw up something, you just wipe/restore their instance |
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| 12:18.38 | enouf | without it affecting other users, or system settings, etc |
| 12:18.58 | cantido | enouf: apparently people have managed to escape out of vmware machines.. |
| 12:20.03 | cantido | - Unlimited control over other virtual machines on the host.. that sounds good |
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| 12:21.05 | enouf | cantido: nothing is 100% secure, it's a matter of degrees |
| 12:21.23 | cantido | Dave123_: basically, don't give shell account to people you can't trust :) |
| 12:21.44 | Dave123_ | cantido: how do shell resellers, like sh3lls.net this then :) ? |
| 12:21.54 | enouf | install ttysnoop :-p |
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| 12:22.17 | cantido | Dave123_: users sign into a contract that says they won't mess about |
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| 12:22.43 | Dave123_ | hmm yea |
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| 12:22.55 | cantido | Dave123_: nothing is stopping you uploading loads of porn to youtube, but your account won't last long |
| 12:23.06 | hazynrg | i have written two init.d scripts, the second has a Required-Start dependency on the first but starting the second script won't start the first one |
| 12:23.13 | hazynrg | could someone help me? |
| 12:23.31 | Dave123_ | I wonder how long :) |
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| 12:24.08 | cantido | Dave123_: this shell I'm on doesn't seem to have too many problems |
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| 12:24.41 | cantido | Dave123_: the donation for acccess is $5 or so, but I haven't heard of any issues |
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| 12:26.25 | Dave123_ | cantido: a free shell hoster? |
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| 12:26.32 | cantido | sdf |
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| 12:27.09 | Dave123_ | sdf? |
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| 12:27.14 | cantido | according to the history though, they ran linux for a while and it all went to shit pretty quick |
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| 12:27.38 | cantido | Dave123_: freeshell.org |
| 12:27.49 | pozic | Does tar have an option to extract to a certain directory? It seems it can only extract to the current directory. |
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| 12:28.00 | Dave123_ | ok will check |
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| 12:28.20 | Titan8990_ | pozic, tar xvf <tarball> -C <destination> |
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| 12:28.29 | pozic | cantido: that's not a free shell. |
| 12:29.05 | cantido | Dave123_: selinux is probably something you should look into, its one of those buy a book things though |
| 12:29.08 | Titan8990_ | lonestar has free shells http://sdf.lonestar.org/ |
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| 12:29.28 | cantido | pozic: you donate,.. so it depends if you count that as a fee |
| 12:29.32 | pozic | Titan8990_: they are time-limited. |
| 12:29.40 | cantido | Titan8990_: freeshell.org == sdf.lonestar.org |
| 12:30.00 | pozic | cantido: no, if you don't pay, you don't know that your shell still exists in 100 days. Not free. |
| 12:30.04 | cantido | pozic: you donate $5 once to verify you aren't an idiot.. that's $5 once |
| 12:30.18 | pozic | cantido: yes, it's cheap, but not free. |
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| 12:30.23 | cantido | pozic: I've had this account for.. 4years, maybe 5 years |
| 12:31.14 | cantido | pozic: yes, $5 is a lot of money.. do you kick up when those charity galleries and stuff ask you to donate a small amount of money? geez |
| 12:31.45 | pozic | cantido: I am merely pointing out that it is not free. |
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| 12:32.54 | cantido | again, depends on if you count the donation as a fee.. I personally don't |
| 12:33.22 | pozic | cantido: you use twisted logic. |
| 12:33.33 | fredl | ah I'm here again. |
| 12:33.52 | fredl | removing 384 packages, there's the odd chance that network-manager gets axed too :P |
| 12:34.14 | fredl | anyway, got gnome working again. |
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| 12:35.00 | cantido | pozic: or maybe you're just tight? :P |
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| 12:36.55 | pozic | cantido: I sure am. :) |
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| 12:40.42 | abrotman | fredl: if you `aptitude install gnome` .. what happens ? |
| 12:41.23 | fredl | abrotman - did that. Reinstalled a whole slew of the packages that just got removed |
| 12:41.29 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 12:43.19 | fredl | turns off his brain for a while and aimlessly click around in spymaster |
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| 12:47.19 | Dave123_ | is there any way I can open gmail.com and my email accounts well in elinks ? |
| 12:47.25 | Dave123_ | anyone using gmail in elinks here? |
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| 12:51.48 | si-p | i want to setup gits web (gitweb) interface which i think involves a adding a virtual host to my web server |
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| 12:52.25 | Acheron | I frakked my system and now locale won't work correctly. |
| 12:52.37 | Acheron | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default, etc.. |
| 12:52.41 | cantido | Dave123_: there are a few something->gmail gateways I think, just google it :) |
| 12:52.59 | si-p | funk ... I've lost the energy to carry on |
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| 12:53.34 | si-p | nevermind, I'll figure it out ... as you were ... |
| 12:53.44 | cantido | si-p: adding a vhost to apache isn't that hard, the install instructions for that thing probably has examples |
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| 12:54.47 | si-p | cantido: thanks - figured I'd need virtual host. say i want to install it on a machine called fred |
| 12:54.57 | Dave123_ | got it cantido |
| 12:55.01 | si-p | and i want to refer to the git web interface as git.fred |
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| 12:55.28 | si-p | do i need to mess around with dns to add an alias? |
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| 12:55.48 | cantido | si-p: so you need some way of making git.fred resolve, dns or similar, and then a "named virtual host" |
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| 12:56.23 | si-p | cantido: i set up bind ages ago and it has worked without problems |
| 12:56.26 | Transxendental | hi i'll install ubuntu or debian . what r the differences between them |
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| 12:56.36 | Transxendental | whivh do u suggest |
| 12:56.44 | Without2 | hi |
| 12:56.52 | cantido | si-p: bind will do it, you can also just put a line in /etc/hosts |
| 12:56.52 | Without2 | waht's the command to check background process? |
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| 12:57.10 | abrotman | Transxendental: you're in #debian ... |
| 12:57.24 | si-p | cantido: i can't remember that much about it though ... i need to add a 'cname' or 'a' record for git.fred? |
| 12:57.36 | Transxendental | abrotman: where i must go? #ubuntu+bebian? |
| 12:57.36 | Acheron | Someone know how to fix locales? |
| 12:57.45 | Acheron | #linux? :P |
| 12:57.46 | abrotman | Transxendental: no, but what do you think we'll suggest? |
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| 12:58.09 | Transxendental | at least u can tell the advantages over ubuntu. |
| 12:58.09 | cantido | si-p: if git.fred is the same as fred, same ip etc, a cname is easiest, both will work though |
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| 12:59.34 | Transxendental | why do u choose debian . not ubuntu here? |
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| 13:00.26 | si-p | cantido: right - i remember me having a bit of a hard time setting up bind. do I simply at the info to the domain config files and restart bind? |
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| 13:00.45 | si-p | cantido: i remember having problems with the jnl file |
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| 13:01.12 | leafnode | hi there |
| 13:01.40 | si-p | cantido: i'll give it a go ... |
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| 13:04.04 | _tst | Hi! I have a problem compiling a Qt4 program on debian testing. The program is using CONFIG += debug, unfortunately the linked executable doesn't do anything with dumpObjectTree() because ldd says it's linked against the non-debug library. Ideas? |
| 13:04.58 | _tst | I'm installed libqt4-dbg and have regular libQtCore etc. libraries and have two qt libraries: /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4.5.2.debug and /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4.5.2 |
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| 13:06.55 | si-p | cantido: i didn't expect it to be that easy |
| 13:07.01 | n215 | when im trying to ip tunnel I get ioctl: No buffer space available |
| 13:07.03 | n215 | any ideas |
| 13:07.05 | si-p | cantido: git.fred now resolves |
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| 13:08.53 | cantido | si-p: now you just need to setup a named virtual host with that name, if you're running apache take a look at their docs, they have examples etc |
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| 13:20.06 | seblu | hello |
| 13:20.38 | dsdasd | hi, anyone here did virtualbox pxe boot ? |
| 13:20.58 | seblu | i would generate a change file to upload my .dsc, .diff and .orig files to a debian repo |
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| 13:21.25 | seblu | which is the smartest soft which can do this ? |
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| 13:21.38 | syslq78_ | Screen freezes when I'm trying to use it with putty, it happens on different platfroms, diffrent putty versions, diffrent screen versions. I'm not eable to dbug it. Any ideas? Ah, I'm sending keep alive packets so tha's not it. |
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| 13:21.54 | syslq78_ | Ah, sorry, I posted on the wrong channel |
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| 13:23.34 | petemc | syslq78_: fwiw, ive came across firewalls that will drop ssh connections, keep alive packets or no |
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| 13:24.13 | dsdasd | nobody? |
| 13:24.30 | petemc | evidently not |
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| 13:24.36 | dsdasd | hmm |
| 13:25.17 | rudi_s | !tell dsdasd about anyone |
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| 13:26.11 | dsdasd | maybe tell rudi_s how to use the bot |
| 13:26.12 | dsdasd | haha |
| 13:26.35 | oreo | do you guys think that ldap might be overkill for email authentication for about 5 users (ldap usage might become expanded later on, for like dhcp, dns, virtual hosting, shell accounts, etc) |
| 13:26.44 | dsdasd | hmm my mistake, it opened in another tab , blame xchat |
| 13:27.06 | petemc | oreo: a bit, but if you're familiar with it, no reason not to use it |
| 13:27.43 | oreo | using a GUI client makes it easier to manage; the setup itself is rather quick |
| 13:28.26 | petemc | i cant imagine a gui client being much use for troubleshooting, but ok |
| 13:28.37 | brutus | how do you print a backspace in c? |
| 13:28.50 | oreo | it wouldn't be for troubleshooting, but for adding/removing entries, etc |
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| 13:30.09 | oreo | btw, what recommendations can you give to enable ldap auth with sha1 passwords for imap? |
| 13:30.20 | oreo | it seems courier-authlib-ldap forces the use of DES |
| 13:30.23 | dsdasd | so, like rudi_s kindly advised, i have an LTSP server working (clients can boot from it over PXE), so the next thing i'm trying to boot virtualbox from the same host over PXE, so after digging google it seems i need to bridge my ethernet (eth0) interface to a tun device (tap0) wich i did. so now i have eth0 and tap0 bridged over br0 with ip 10.0.0.1, so in virtualbox i select networkboot and in network i select bridged adapter and tun0, b |
| 13:30.23 | dsdasd | ut it doesn't receive an dhcp offer |
| 13:30.39 | syslq78_ | petemc: thanks, but it also happens on strictly local connection (non firewalled), interesting enough if I use open ssh client it's fine |
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| 13:31.07 | rindolf | Hi all. Why does this program leak on Debian/Fedora (and probably Mandiva too?) http://paste.debian.net/45063/ |
| 13:31.18 | rindolf | According to valgrind. |
| 13:31.23 | dsdasd | the LTPS server is running and so is dhcp server, i can boot a client anytime |
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| 13:32.27 | petemc | oreo: http://wiki.dovecot.org/Authentication/PasswordSchemes |
| 13:32.32 | seblu | some know how to generate an changes file directly from .dsc file, whitout untar orig and diff file ? |
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| 13:33.56 | lord_rob | Hi ! Sid wants to update sysv-rc which needs to install insserv. There are many bugs reported for this package. How is the real status of insserv ? |
| 13:34.13 | oreo | petemc: is dovecot nice compared to courier, authentication aside? |
| 13:34.21 | lord_rob | (I didn't dare updating sysv-rc) |
| 13:34.59 | rindolf | I'm using Debian Testing. |
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| 13:35.09 | petemc | oreo: i wouldnt recommend it unless i thought it was better |
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| 13:35.19 | gubuntu | can someone suggest the best method to allow a client of mine to edit a plaintext text file via the web, i need to be able to allow them to only edit a piece of it? |
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| 13:35.43 | oreo | petemc: well i was asking cause it could have these auth methods but not be great for the rest |
| 13:35.54 | oreo | thanks for the recommendation; will be playing with dovecot |
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| 13:38.07 | `^-fs|fgs|fdd-^` | gubuntu: well thats... odd |
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| 13:38.20 | gubuntu | i know |
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| 13:38.50 | `^-fs|fgs|fdd-^` | maybe have their part in a one file? |
| 13:39.06 | gubuntu | i guess i can have them edit the whole thing and then have a script to build the complete file on the server |
| 13:39.08 | gubuntu | yea |
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| 13:39.22 | gubuntu | so what should i use? |
| 13:39.26 | gubuntu | it needs to be web based |
| 13:40.04 | petemc | there should be a few php editors, or use webdav |
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| 13:40.36 | si-p | cantido: I don't suppose you know how to configure thttpd? |
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| 13:42.43 | gubuntu | i guess my issue is that its part of a bash script |
| 13:42.50 | gubuntu | and i cant have them edit it in like notepad |
| 13:43.23 | abrotman | gubuntu: using debian ? |
| 13:43.29 | gubuntu | yea |
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| 13:43.41 | elsbroek | hi |
| 13:43.50 | abrotman | judd: info gobby --release lenny |
| 13:43.53 | judd | abrotman: gobby (net): is optional; Version: 0.4.8-1~lenny1; Size: 522.1k; Installed: 1680k -- collaborative text editor |
| 13:44.04 | elsbroek | how can i find out ob debian which package provides the file /usr/include/nspr4/nspr.h |
| 13:44.14 | abrotman | !search |
| 13:44.14 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 13:44.25 | bpun | elsbroek, probably apt-file <path to filename> |
| 13:44.31 | bpun | !apt-file |
| 13:44.31 | dpkg | apt-file is probably a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
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| 13:45.09 | bpun | (rather not the path but just the filename is good enough) |
| 13:45.54 | elsbroek | o.k. thx... hadnt apt-file installed.. |
| 13:46.02 | abrotman | he could have used dpkg -S |
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| 13:46.14 | elsbroek | but now while doing apt-file update he cant get the update file..:( |
| 13:46.45 | abrotman | elsbroek: is the file already insatlled ? |
| 13:47.31 | elsbroek | abrotman: hm.. i found the package it provides the file without the 4... |
| 13:47.48 | elsbroek | abrotman: i have to tell the configure script to use another location... |
| 13:47.57 | abrotman | bad software! |
| 13:48.21 | elsbroek | abrotman: its apache software..:\ |
| 13:48.35 | elsbroek | ./qpid/sys/ssl/SslSocket.h:26:24: error: nspr4/nspr.h: No such file or directory |
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| 13:52.52 | toxygen | hi |
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| 13:53.13 | toxygen | i've got no threads in thread listing of mailman (/pipermail), does anyone else encounters that? |
| 13:53.13 | Buruno | yo |
| 13:53.22 | toxygen | all headers are correct |
| 13:53.27 | toxygen | i even checked mailman's database |
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| 14:02.35 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 14:08.48 | ewet_ | hi, rox-filer doesn't show video thumbnails - VideoThumbnails "Manage Thumbnails" does create a thumbnails though and Thumbs' "Manage Thumbnailers" shows the right symlinks in the mimetype folder. |
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| 14:09.28 | ewet_ | chache is purged and rox-filer does take some time to load a video directory |
| 14:09.47 | ewet_ | I don't get any errors |
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| 14:13.42 | orschiro | how can I send mails that aren't delivered yet? a "mail" in the terminal shows me the mails but I don't receive them on my mail account |
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| 14:14.28 | Titan8990_ | orschiro, what is your mail setup currently? |
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| 14:14.44 | petemc | orschiro: if mail shows them, they are delivered |
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| 14:17.36 | abrotman | maybe he needs a smarthost setup ? |
| 14:17.57 | petemc | anythings possible |
| 14:18.42 | orschiro | hmm now they aren't. i tried to send a mail with a django function from "from@example.com" to an spam account "djangomail@mailinator.com". but I get nothing. the code has to work because it's the one from the docs. something has to be with my debian root |
| 14:18.49 | Mac101 | hi i have just installed samba on a fresh install of debian lenny and have only edited the defualt smb.conf to my workgroup & added one share at the bottem, yet on the same machine smbclient -L (ip) displayer the message: |
| 14:18.50 | Mac101 | Server requested plaintext password but 'client plaintext auth' is disabled |
| 14:18.50 | Mac101 | session setup failed: SUCCESS - 0 |
| 14:18.56 | petemc | orschiro: echo $MAIL , thats where the mails are delivered to |
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| 14:19.12 | Mac101 | this is all an all default debian install |
| 14:19.19 | Mac101 | so it cant be me :( |
| 14:19.23 | petemc | orschiro: so yes, they are delivered, perhaps not where you expect them to be |
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| 14:19.50 | orschiro | echo $MAIL outputs "/var/mail/orschiro" So no that's not where I expect them *g* |
| 14:20.01 | petemc | but it is where they are |
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| 14:20.58 | orschiro | hm but why there and not where I send it to originally? |
| 14:21.16 | petemc | your mta delivered them there |
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| 14:21.31 | umarzuki | hi guys, how do i forward all types of logs to splunk with rsyslog? *.* doesn't seem to work while *.info does appears on splunk's interface |
| 14:21.52 | orschiro | where can I change that behaviour? |
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| 14:22.00 | petemc | orschiro: which mta do you use? |
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| 14:23.07 | Titan8990_ | umarzuki, splunk is non-free software and im sure they support it |
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| 14:23.24 | Titan8990_ | umarzuki, "they" as in the company that produces it |
| 14:23.54 | orschiro | that's the big question. I never installed one. anyway not that I know about. maybe it was a dependency of something. how could I display all packages I've installed so that I can search for a mta programm? |
| 14:23.59 | gubuntu | anyone here have any experience with fetchmail <-> procamail ? |
| 14:24.06 | gubuntu | procmail* |
| 14:24.23 | Titan8990_ | orschiro, exim4 is the default MTA for debian |
| 14:26.19 | orschiro | allright that's the one that is installed |
| 14:27.06 | abrotman | gubuntu: be more explicit .. what about it doesn't work ? |
| 14:27.24 | orschiro | should I take another one? |
| 14:27.56 | si-p | cantido: finally got it working using apache - thanks for your help |
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| 14:28.35 | Titan8990_ | orschiro, you should start learning how to configure an MTA... |
| 14:28.40 | Titan8990_ | orschiro, your choice which one |
| 14:29.54 | gubuntu | well, i have fetch mail popping from exchange delivering to a local user via procmail and procmail using munpack to extract the files to a folder which i watch with inotify |
| 14:30.14 | gubuntu | and im not sure at what/if at any interval fetchmail is checking for mail |
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| 14:38.24 | Titan8990_ | gubuntu, here is your problem: "well, i have fetch mail popping from exchange" |
| 14:38.40 | gubuntu | Titan8990_: hows thaT? |
| 14:38.48 | Titan8990_ | exchange is terrible |
| 14:39.17 | petemc | thats subjective |
| 14:39.35 | gubuntu | thanks for being productive |
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| 14:40.23 | gubuntu | unfortunately i work in the real world where many large businesses use exchange |
| 14:40.26 | petemc | gubuntu: it cant be too hard to figure out/change how often fetchmail checks for mail |
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| 14:43.34 | Red15 | Hi trying to install debian 5.0 on an HP bl460c |
| 14:43.41 | Red15 | seems the network cards are not functioning |
| 14:44.23 | Red15 | i am able to do a PXE boot from them from bios though, seems it's just debian that doesnt use the correct drivers. |
| 14:44.38 | petemc | what type of network cards? |
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| 14:46.10 | Red15 | debian configures them as broadcoms |
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| 14:46.41 | Red15 | it's using the tigon3 module |
| 14:46.47 | petemc | tg3 should work |
| 14:47.16 | raboof | uscan(1) mentions that uscan will automatically use a redirector for sf.net URL's |
| 14:47.27 | petemc | Red15: they should use the bnx2 module |
| 14:47.29 | raboof | where can I read more about this? At first glance it doesn't appear to work. |
| 14:48.01 | petemc | Red15: some broadcoms require firmware, tho i did an install on a machine with BCM5708 cards and it worked fine |
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| 14:50.04 | petemc | Red15: /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 14:50.25 | Red15 | petemc, modprobing bnx2 doesnt seem to do much |
| 14:50.26 | abrotman | i thought tg3 had been superceded ? |
| 14:50.35 | petemc | Red15: yes, it needs firmware |
| 14:50.43 | petemc | it has, by bnx2 |
| 14:50.50 | Red15 | any way of determining which firmware ? |
| 14:51.00 | petemc | Red15: /msg dpkg bnx2 |
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| 14:51.23 | Red15 | petemc, i'm still on install console |
| 14:51.28 | Red15 | it's a netinst boot cd |
| 14:51.30 | petemc | so? |
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| 14:51.41 | Red15 | dpkg not found |
| 14:51.41 | dpkg | Red15: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 14:51.47 | petemc | Red15: in your irc client |
| 14:52.00 | Red15 | ah ok rofl |
| 14:52.31 | petemc | i did a fresh install over an old sarge box that had been using the tg3 driver, and the lenny installer didnt ask for firmware, the cards just worked |
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| 14:52.58 | drico_ | Hi, we have a problem creating a package, it seems that the max path length for dpkg is 100 characters and then it puts the file on / , any idea ? |
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| 14:53.15 | petemc | yet other, newer machines that have never had an os installed required dicking around with firmware |
| 14:54.28 | abrotman | drico_: for the package name? or a path? |
| 14:54.46 | drico_ | abrotman, for a file in the package |
| 14:55.17 | Titan8990_ | petemc, my dell poweredge and an "os install mode" switch in the BIOS, maybe that is required? |
| 14:55.43 | drico_ | abrotman, the path of those files exceed 100 characters and at the install those file are putted on / |
| 14:55.46 | petemc | Titan8990_: not sure, i know i didnt change anything in the bios |
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| 14:56.26 | abrotman | drico_: this is a package to be used on Debian, correct ? |
| 14:56.34 | drico_ | abrotman, yes |
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| 14:58.45 | drico_ | abrotman, for example a file in the package : /usr/share/owsadmin/sites/default/modules/views/handlers/views_handler_sort_menu_hierarchy.inc will be installed by dpkg -i on /views_handler_sort_menu_hierarchy.inc :/ |
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| 15:00.04 | abrotman | drico_: maybe ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, i've not heard of that |
| 15:00.13 | drico_ | thanks |
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| 15:02.15 | ihategfw | hello |
| 15:02.30 | ihategfw | im on ssh , you can't believe it,haha |
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| 15:03.51 | valdyn | drico_: debian has longer paths in its own packages |
| 15:04.24 | drico_ | valdyn, do you have a package name per example ? |
| 15:04.35 | valdyn | /usr/lib/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.cdt.source.linux.gtk.x86_64_3.1.2.200805011412/src/org.eclipse.cdt.core.linux_3.1.2.200805011412/library/SpawnerInputStream.h |
| 15:04.39 | valdyn | is the file |
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| 15:05.49 | drico_ | valdyn, Oh ! ok even more strange ;) |
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| 15:09.17 | hazynrg | could someone help me for an init.d script question? |
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| 15:09.23 | toxygen | hi |
| 15:09.38 | toxygen | i'm having threading issues with mailman in debian. they say it's bad debian patch |
| 15:09.48 | toxygen | i would like to ask if anyone encountered this issue before |
| 15:10.35 | sandman | I've a question about software RAID and CRC in Debian Lenny. I understand that CRC can exhibit error detection and sometimes correction. How would one know which it is? Secondly, if the CRC _can_ exhibit error detection and correction, how well can it do it? So well so that running RAID1 across 3 drivers rather than 2 would be pointless? |
| 15:11.01 | sandman | I say this because the only reason I can imagine one would want to run RAID 1 across 3 drives would be for error correction, on top of detection |
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| 15:11.25 | sandman | But if it's already provided for via CRC, then doing the aforementioned would be rather pointless. |
| 15:11.45 | sandman | I suppose another good question would be as to whether CRC is on the FS level or on the HDD hardware level or what |
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| 15:12.07 | sandman | Anyway. Any input would be very well appreciated. Thank you. |
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| 15:21.34 | valdyn | sandman: what does crc have to do with raid1 ? |
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| 15:22.21 | kavon | hey, I don't have a graphical environment and in the terminal I get a bunch of messages about my network interfaces etc which get in the way of the screen, they just print random stuff... how can i get rid of that? |
| 15:22.24 | valdyn | sandman: you dont get error correction with raid1 |
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| 15:22.48 | MikeSeth | kavon: most likely your syslog service isnt running, that's why it gets dumped into the console' |
| 15:22.55 | kavon | oh |
| 15:23.17 | valdyn | uh |
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| 15:23.51 | humbolt | how to display the create time of a file or dir? |
| 15:23.56 | valdyn | kavon: edit /etc/sysctl.conf, run sysctl -p after that |
| 15:24.07 | valdyn | hazynrg: "stat file" |
| 15:24.12 | valdyn | humbolt: ^^ |
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| 15:26.10 | humbolt | valdyn: don't see no create time |
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| 15:26.28 | humbolt | access, modify, change |
| 15:26.37 | valdyn | humbolt: thats all there is |
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| 15:31.55 | kavon | hey valdyn, in that file i found a setting which says "uncomment to stop low-level messages messages on console |
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| 15:32.34 | kavon | valdyn: you think that'd do it? |
| 15:33.25 | valdyn | kavon: yes |
| 15:33.38 | kavon | valdyn: nice, thanks! |
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| 15:35.04 | fmauNeko | hai |
| 15:35.14 | ajavid | good morning |
| 15:35.22 | ajavid | whats going on in the world of debian |
| 15:36.22 | fmauNeko | has anybody managed to get working canon MP510 (cnijfilter-2.70) on an amd64 system ? |
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| 15:39.39 | Red15 | petemc, somehow it failed to add the firmware to the iso, i even used the script |
| 15:39.46 | Red15 | the script at http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to |
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| 15:45.20 | RichiH | !lenny key |
| 15:45.27 | RichiH | ~lenny key |
| 15:45.32 | RichiH | dpkg: test |
| 15:45.32 | dpkg | epic test fail |
| 15:45.41 | RichiH | grml |
| 15:46.16 | ajavid | RichiH, what are you doing |
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| 15:46.38 | mefiX | hi folks! |
| 15:46.44 | RichiH | ajavid: i want the one-liner for the archive key |
| 15:47.17 | mefiX | could someone suggest me a tool to monitor the utilization of cpu/memory? |
| 15:47.34 | ajavid | RichiH, uh.. install debian-archive-keyring ? |
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| 15:48.16 | cahoot | mefiX: top |
| 15:48.45 | mefiX | cahoot: with some kind of db in the background |
| 15:48.57 | ajavid | RichiH, /msg dpkg key |
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| 15:49.09 | mefiX | i would like to monitor and visualize the utilization of mem/cpu over some period of time |
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| 15:50.00 | ajavid | !conky |
| 15:50.00 | dpkg | Conky is a highly configurable system monitor for X, based on torsmo, packaged for Debian. http://conky.sf.net/faq.html http://conky.wikia.com/ http://conky.sf.net/ #conky on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:50.25 | jelly | judd: versions alien |
| 15:50.26 | judd | jelly: alien -- etch: 8.64 lenny: 8.72 sid: 8.73 sid: 8.78 squeeze: 8.78 |
| 15:50.59 | ajavid | RichiH, you found it? |
| 15:51.38 | RichiH | aye |
| 15:51.39 | RichiH | thanks :) |
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| 15:52.07 | ajavid | np |
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| 15:55.03 | ajavid | HAH |
| 15:55.14 | ajavid | sweet, I found a TI-92 emulator and ROM image |
| 15:55.40 | ajavid | beautiful... the GUI is exactly like the calc... point and click... |
| 15:55.59 | ajavid | I may not have to buy a calculator for school! :D |
| 15:56.11 | simonrvn | :) |
| 15:56.17 | ajavid | I have a TI-82 |
| 15:56.26 | ajavid | its older, back from highschool :) |
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| 15:58.21 | ajavid | hm, dude.. you can run Doom on a TI calc... WTF! |
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| 15:58.57 | ajavid | there is a port of the doom fps for the calculator, all lines, kinda like virtualboy (which was a flop) but still... just plain lines and you can still play the game, very slowly |
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| 15:59.34 | ajavid | well.. isn't that magical |
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| 15:59.44 | Red15 | ajavid, looks more like wolf3d than doom tbh |
| 16:00.03 | ajavid | yeh kinda does |
| 16:00.07 | umarzuki | can anyone point me to a tutorial on setting local ntp server to keep my guest os (vbox) time synched when it is using host-only interface (cannot access internet)? |
| 16:00.16 | ajavid | !ntp |
| 16:00.16 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. See also <set time>. |
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| 16:02.48 | ajavid | hey guys |
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| 16:03.01 | mischief | does rdate accept only an IP? or does it work with dns names..? |
| 16:03.04 | ajavid | does anyone know of a good cli/gui (whichever) alarm clock? |
| 16:03.15 | abrotman | atd |
| 16:03.19 | ajavid | something where I don't have to script mpg321 with a mp3 file |
| 16:03.23 | ajavid | and put it into cron daily |
| 16:03.26 | ajavid | atd eh |
| 16:03.28 | mischief | ajavid, onlineclock.net :D |
| 16:03.41 | ajavid | actually... |
| 16:03.45 | abrotman | ajavid: did you actually try `apt-cache search alarm clock` ? |
| 16:03.53 | ajavid | abrotman, no, aptitude |
| 16:04.05 | ajavid | man.. alright, here is one thing I gotta still look into |
| 16:04.17 | ajavid | aptude searches only in package names and tags right? |
| 16:04.19 | abrotman | ajavid: we've ocvered this before ... |
| 16:04.27 | ajavid | apt-cache by default searches in descriptions too |
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| 16:04.39 | ajavid | how to make aptitude do that as well? |
| 16:05.23 | ajavid | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s01.html |
| 16:05.46 | ajavid | been reading the aptitude doc and know how to use searching manually, but there has to be a config option somewhere that also makes it search in desc. |
| 16:06.19 | ajavid | thats what I'm looking for |
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| 16:07.00 | mischief | hmm :/ weird |
| 16:07.07 | \amethyst | ajavid: the behaviour has changed in recent aptitude (from name to description) but I don't know of a config option |
| 16:07.16 | \amethyst | ajavid: I just use aptitude search '~dblah' |
| 16:07.17 | ajavid | yeah, ~d is a bit eh |
| 16:07.33 | ajavid | I could just make an alias in bash for aptitue search ~d$- |
| 16:07.39 | ajavid | something like that anyway |
| 16:08.02 | ajavid | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 16:08.09 | ajavid | \amethyst, find this really helpful at all times |
| 16:08.12 | mischief | hey can anyone perhaps help me out with a little dns issue? |
| 16:08.18 | ajavid | \amethyst, however, a config option for apt.conf would be lovely |
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| 16:08.35 | \amethyst | ajavid: yeah, I have a keyword bookmark to that page |
| 16:08.40 | ajavid | :) |
| 16:08.44 | ajavid | who doesn't |
| 16:08.47 | abrotman | ajavid: aptitude search "~dfoo" |
| 16:08.58 | abrotman | mischief: just ask |
| 16:08.59 | ajavid | abrotman, thanks... |
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| 16:09.22 | ajavid | \amethyst, what is your keyword |
| 16:09.36 | \amethyst | ajavid: aptitude :) |
| 16:09.38 | ajavid | \amethyst, I use konqueror web shortcuts for debian packages, bugs, etc. etc. |
| 16:09.42 | abrotman | more like aptitude search "~dalarm ~dclock" |
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| 16:09.47 | ajavid | \amethyst, /me got tude |
| 16:09.49 | mischief | um, alright, well my dns server reads from /etc/hosts for dns name/ip pairs, and it reads it's own hostname as 127.0.0.1. so when i query the dns server for it's hostname, it returns 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:10.14 | mischief | and i don't think removing that line from /etc/hosts is a good idea so i have no idea what to do |
| 16:10.15 | ajavid | abrotman, I am aware. Do you know of a config option? |
| 16:10.23 | \amethyst | ajavid: I use # for bug numbers, dpkg for packages.debian.org, upkg for packages.ubuntu.com, and probably more I'm forgetting |
| 16:10.30 | abrotman | ajavid: nope .. use apt-cache ? :) |
| 16:10.48 | \amethyst | ajavid: oh, pbug for "bugs in package foo" |
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| 16:11.02 | oreo | i can't manage to get exim to authenticate with dovecot on debian; any help? thanks. |
| 16:11.09 | ajavid | \amethyst, cool |
| 16:11.19 | ajavid | \amethyst, i use konqueror default |
| 16:11.28 | zeroConf | hey, crontab sent an email to someone at a remote address... how do i find out what the email was ? it has been deleted from the queue cause its been delivered.... |
| 16:11.31 | Titan8990_ | oreo, dovecot will have its own authentication seperate from exim |
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| 16:12.00 | Titan8990_ | oreo, they both might auth to the same passwd or userdb, but they are still seperate authentications |
| 16:12.20 | oreo | Titan8990_: http://wiki.exim.org/AuthenticatedSmtpUsingDovecot |
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| 16:12.25 | \amethyst | ajavid: I just wish I could make iceweasel treat #524601 as # 524601 so it uses the bug report bookmark |
| 16:12.43 | \amethyst | ajavid: then I could just paste bug report numbers directly into the browser |
| 16:12.46 | abrotman | \amethyst: i thought don had come up with a way to do that |
| 16:12.47 | ajavid | \amethyst, there might be a custom web shortcuts addon |
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| 16:13.48 | ajavid | \amethyst, you could make an alias in your irc client to launch say /ff #234323 and it goes to that bug |
| 16:13.53 | Titan8990_ | oreo, did you compile exim using that code patch? |
| 16:13.53 | abrotman | \amethyst: ISTR someone say they'd created a plugin or custom search that would let them just type a key combo+bug number .. and it woud open it |
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| 16:14.02 | ajavid | \amethyst, bts has url that takes args so it can be easily done |
| 16:14.12 | ajavid | \amethyst, you can make your alias launch firefox in a new tab |
| 16:14.26 | oreo | Titan8990_: no need for it for the version on debian |
| 16:14.29 | Titan8990_ | oreo, nvm just read the note at the top that says in was included in a later version |
| 16:14.31 | ajavid | \amethyst, so same browser window, new tab, I do this for php.net docs straight from irc |
| 16:14.32 | Titan8990_ | oreo, no experience with that personally |
| 16:14.39 | \amethyst | ajavid: yeah, I could do that, but I'd rather handle it in the browser directly |
| 16:14.41 | ajavid | \amethyst, I do /php function name |
| 16:14.54 | ajavid | \amethyst, irc.mozilla.org #firefox |
| 16:14.54 | oreo | and i managed to make it work: since dovecot-auth is run as root and exim isn't, it's a permission problem |
| 16:15.02 | ajavid | \amethyst, Im sure they know of an addon for custom web shortcuts |
| 16:15.05 | ajavid | there has to be one man |
| 16:15.16 | ajavid | just has to be one, there HAS to be one. |
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| 16:15.26 | \amethyst | abrotman: I have # 24601 working, so atm I just have to <paste><home><right><del>... unless I can get it down to just <paste> I'm not sure it's much of an advantage |
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| 16:15.51 | \amethyst | abrotman: err, <paste><home><right><space> rather |
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| 16:15.58 | abrotman | okay |
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| 16:16.09 | fmauNeko | has anybody managed to get working canon MP510 (cnijfilter-2.70) on an amd64 system ? |
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| 16:16.21 | iateadonut | does debian 5 have a firewall working by default? |
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| 16:16.47 | Red15 | etch is stable version right ? what is the remaining life time of it ? |
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| 16:16.55 | Titan8990_ | oreo, are you already part of the mailing list? |
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| 16:17.23 | fsckroot | iateadonut: it's called Linux ;) |
| 16:17.34 | oreo | Titan8990_: i'm not part of any mailing list |
| 16:17.43 | Titan8990_ | iateadonut, working yes, blocking something, no |
| 16:17.56 | iateadonut | what is the name of the program? |
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| 16:18.04 | Titan8990_ | oreo, when i was doing exim admin work i found the exim mailing list to be very nice |
| 16:18.18 | oreo | Titan8990_: any example? |
| 16:18.18 | Titan8990_ | iateadonut, netfilter, its part of the kernel |
| 16:18.28 | iateadonut | thanks. what is a brute force attack? |
| 16:18.33 | iateadonut | how is it done? |
| 16:18.36 | Titan8990_ | iateadonut, iptables is a front-end for netfilter |
| 16:18.53 | iateadonut | say, i have ssh open on 22, how might someone exploit that? |
| 16:18.53 | Titan8990_ | iateadonut, its done by guessing every possible combination of characters until a password is guessed |
| 16:19.01 | oreo | iateadonut: -> google; it's basically trying many combinations in the fastest possible time |
| 16:19.01 | ajavid | \amethyst, http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/09/learn-to-create-firefox-search-plugin.html |
| 16:19.04 | Titan8990_ | iateadonut, maybe you should do some googling |
| 16:19.24 | ajavid | \amethyst, you can create a custom search plugin easily for debian bts and pdo and even sdn etc. etc. |
| 16:19.25 | Titan8990_ | gets the impression iateadonut is doing homework |
| 16:19.35 | ajavid | \amethyst, they all have standard url taking parameters, very easily done |
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| 16:19.39 | iateadonut | setting up a server so i can tunnel through a firewall |
| 16:19.42 | Red15 | iateadonut, i suggest you install at the very least if you want to do this : apt-get install denyhosts |
| 16:19.51 | ajavid | \amethyst, in there you simply type your bug number and voila |
| 16:19.59 | Titan8990_ | oreo, http://lists.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users |
| 16:20.00 | ajavid | I have not found one yet, but it doesn't sound hard |
| 16:20.13 | ajavid | \amethyst, also, you can create a custom search button with the google toolbar as well |
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| 16:20.22 | c-101 | Hello there |
| 16:20.39 | c-101 | Anyone using kde4 has the comic plasmoid working or it is a problem with my installation ¿? |
| 16:20.44 | \amethyst | ajavid: I use parameterized bookmarks rather than search plugins; I don't use the search bar, just the location bar |
| 16:20.45 | oreo | Titan8990_: that's not an example; you just sent me to their list. By example I mean a case where it has been useful for you |
| 16:21.03 | ajavid | \amethyst, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Creating_MozSearch_plugins |
| 16:21.07 | oreo | i manage about 5 mailboxes on my server; I think it would be overkill to use a list |
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| 16:22.09 | Titan8990_ | oreo, honestly, the help i got from the mailing list ended up being DNS related |
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| 16:22.28 | Titan8990_ | oreo, i had my MX record pointing to an IP addy so i was getting denied by other mail servers |
| 16:22.29 | wald0 | for a script, what is the better way to know if a package is correctly installed or not ? (just if is installed, no matters if the state is holded or others) |
| 16:22.42 | Titan8990_ | oreo, but still many knowledgeable people there |
| 16:23.03 | chavodelocho | Hello guys, I'm try to start a vm with xen and I have the message "Error: Device 0 (vif) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working.", I have two vms and only one have network problem |
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| 16:25.58 | ajavid | \amethyst, too picky! |
| 16:26.24 | \amethyst | ajavid: Everything's working well enough, I just wish I could get it down to one middle-click anywhere in the window to take a selected '#524601' to the correct URL... it works already if I middle-paste "# 524601" with the space. I'll probably just write a script to do it and bind that to a key |
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| 16:26.52 | ajavid | word |
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| 16:27.07 | \amethyst | ajavid: probably have my 'lauch the selection in google' global keybinding look for a leading #, and use the bug report URL instead of google if it is present |
| 16:27.24 | ajavid | various ways to do it |
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| 16:29.34 | ajavid | Battling the misery of Organon... |
| 16:29.40 | ajavid | fucking squid. |
| 16:29.56 | ajavid | well at least the QoS is working... |
| 16:30.05 | ajavid | its a proxy/router :D |
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| 16:30.32 | fas3r | can i modify the rlm_sql.c and speficy the user and password in hard ? |
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| 16:30.37 | ajavid | I have a 2MB jffs2 partition |
| 16:31.06 | ajavid | I thought about putting an extensive parasite blocking hosts file there and linking it to /etc/hosts on my router |
| 16:31.15 | wald0 | dpkg -l shows in the first column the state of the package, are only "ii" and "hi" the ones that means "installed" ? |
| 16:31.15 | dpkg | ii shows in the first column the state of the package, are only "ii" and "hi" the ones that means "installed" 3.7-14.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 16:31.18 | ajavid | but I dunno if its a good idea to block traffic at the router level |
| 16:31.21 | ajavid | what do you think? |
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| 16:32.01 | ajavid | dpkg, shut up |
| 16:32.01 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 16:32.05 | ajavid | ! |
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| 16:32.41 | ajavid | wald0, they are explained in the man page, package states |
| 16:33.33 | sepult | lol |
| 16:34.03 | wald0 | ajavid: thx |
| 16:34.24 | ajavid | wald0, the capital letter indicates what it matche sup with in the man page descriptions |
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| 16:36.11 | wald0 | ajavid: i dont see that this explanation matches with the result of the 2 chars in "dpkg -l" |
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| 16:36.16 | Titan8990_ | ajavid, it doesn't explain the abbreviation as far as i can tell |
| 16:36.17 | wald0 | i dont see any "hold" too |
| 16:36.59 | Titan8990_ | ajavid, ii for example, i assume is installed.... but there is only a single "i" in the word installed |
| 16:37.44 | Titan8990_ | wald0, hold is there and hi is half-installed |
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| 16:38.32 | wald0 | Titan8990_: which ones are considered "installed on the system" ? hi and ii ? |
| 16:38.39 | wald0 | what is "ic" ? |
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| 16:39.21 | Titan8990_ | wald0, idk, needs better documentation imo |
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| 16:39.39 | xsdg | wald0: dpkg -l | head -n 10 |
| 16:39.53 | xsdg | wald0: all the codes are explained at the top |
| 16:40.00 | ajavid | xsdg, i told him that |
| 16:40.35 | xsdg | ajavid: oops; didn't see :o) |
| 16:40.40 | wald0 | wtf, the description on spanish is wrong and sucks |
| 16:40.44 | ajavid | what? |
| 16:40.49 | ajavid | are you a moron? |
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| 16:41.00 | ajavid | I swear to god, I don't wanna call anyone any names, I'm just asking |
| 16:41.11 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.11 | wald0 | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 16:41.12 | wald0 | Estado=No/Instalado/Config-files/Desempaquetado/Fallo-config/Medio-inst/espera-disparo/pendiente-disparo |
| 16:41.16 | simonrvn | erm, too late for that |
| 16:41.21 | ajavid | i - installed |
| 16:41.37 | wald0 | this is buggy |
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| 16:41.41 | ajavid | The "state" flag is one of the following: |
| 16:41.46 | ajavid | ... AND SO FORTH |
| 16:41.48 | simonrvn | wald0: if you think there's a problem, file a bug |
| 16:41.53 | ajavid | its not hard to read man, c'mon |
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| 16:42.04 | wald0 | hum |
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| 16:42.12 | ajavid | E - internal error (should not happen) |
| 16:42.19 | ajavid | u - "unpacked" |
| 16:42.22 | wald0 | "waiting shoot" lol translation |
| 16:42.23 | ajavid | etc. etc. etc... |
| 16:42.25 | simonrvn | with the spanish i mean, not your current issue :) |
| 16:42.29 | ajavid | shoots wald0 |
| 16:42.30 | ajavid | :) |
| 16:42.41 | enouf__ | what a dump |
| 16:42.41 | wald0 | ajavid: that's what the translation says :) |
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| 16:43.27 | ajavid | wait you have a spanish debian and translation error? |
| 16:43.28 | simonrvn | wald0: they wanted "triggers pending"; got a better one? :) |
| 16:43.32 | ajavid | thats a bug! |
| 16:43.49 | ajavid | unless your spanish sucks |
| 16:44.10 | ajavid | that makes me wonder why you'd have a spanish debian to begin with... |
| 16:44.20 | simonrvn | aaaanyyyway... |
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| 16:47.13 | simonrvn | ajavid: i know... i could help with say, making a mi'kmaq translation, but i don't know enough of my language to do it properly. it would be like me running my system in japanese or german. spanish i can make out, but it's just faster for me to do it in french or english ;). |
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| 16:47.58 | ajavid | I was talking to wald0 :) |
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| 16:48.10 | simonrvn | i know, and i was being off-topic |
| 16:48.19 | ajavid | ah, I can be VERY thick sometimes |
| 16:48.20 | ajavid | you know that |
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| 16:48.22 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 16:48.26 | ajavid | :) |
| 16:48.43 | simonrvn | knocks on ajavid's head and hears a deep DOOOONG! |
| 16:48.50 | ajavid | LOL |
| 16:49.02 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 16:49.36 | simonrvn | grub2 is borked, recent update. |
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| 16:49.58 | ajavid | I hardly ever use my sid system anymore, it just sits there costing money |
| 16:50.18 | ajavid | I really just need stuff to work on my badass new machine so I use stable fulltime |
| 16:50.31 | ajavid | I have a 32bit chroot sid |
| 16:50.41 | ajavid | I play around in it, but obviously not grub2 |
| 16:50.51 | simonrvn | stable i leave to the "mission critical" machine :) |
| 16:51.04 | ajavid | simonrvn, this is a critical machine |
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| 16:51.26 | ajavid | but I'm actually running the entire server in another chroot stable |
| 16:51.41 | ajavid | so the entire RoR and LAMP stack is chrooted |
| 16:52.10 | ajavid | I play games in my sid chroot with experimental stuff and from upstream |
| 16:52.29 | ajavid | stable I keep as the base to keep the system stable |
| 16:52.33 | simonrvn | i often muck around - that's cool - with source code, or building projects, or working on my sites |
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| 16:52.37 | ajavid | if I could get 3d to work in a virtual machine, I'd be set |
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| 16:53.21 | pipeline | ajavid: vmware workstation supports 3D in a VM, but it's uh... not great. |
| 16:53.33 | ajavid | which version, I own 6.5.2 |
| 16:53.38 | pipeline | then it's supported |
| 16:53.42 | ajavid | my cpu probably doesn't support it |
| 16:53.51 | pipeline | it doesn't have any special cpu requirements |
| 16:53.52 | pipeline | you just need GL graphics |
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| 16:54.06 | ajavid | it always just tells me I don't have it and can't use it |
| 16:54.07 | pipeline | toggle a box in windows guests, and bam, you have... something like working direct 3d |
| 16:54.12 | ajavid | so it turns it off on startup |
| 16:54.14 | pipeline | ahah |
| 16:54.33 | ajavid | but I have 3d free from radeon on stable |
| 16:54.41 | ajavid | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R580 [Radeon X1900 XT] (Primary) |
| 16:54.52 | ajavid | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 TCL |
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| 16:55.11 | ajavid | so I'm good to go, but ... it won't do nothing.. and HW virt. is enabled in bios |
| 16:55.32 | MikeSeth | ajavid: why Mesa? |
| 16:55.38 | ajavid | why not mesa? |
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| 16:55.47 | MikeSeth | ajavid: it says drop mesa in the fglx setup instructions |
| 16:55.52 | ajavid | its not by choice |
| 16:55.56 | ajavid | THAT is by choice |
| 16:56.04 | ajavid | I refuse fglrx altogether |
| 16:56.06 | MikeSeth | shrugs |
| 16:56.30 | ajavid | this is why I've been wanting a better ATI video card, but I don't want to upgrade until radeonhd works nicely |
| 16:56.43 | pipeline | fglrx is worse than useless |
| 16:56.43 | simonrvn | same; i could run some nvidia thing, but i prefer running the radeon |
| 16:56.44 | ajavid | until then, r580 is the highest/best supported chipset |
| 16:57.05 | ajavid | pipeline, I concur |
| 16:57.09 | simonrvn | it's an old 9k |
| 16:57.20 | pipeline | the nvidia proprietary drivers are annoying to set up, but at least they're high-performance. |
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| 16:57.30 | pipeline | fglrx is a pain in my ass, it's proprietary, and it really just doesn't work that well. |
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| 16:57.57 | ajavid | I bought X1900XT not knowing ATI drivers sucked, when I was in oklahoma |
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| 16:58.28 | ajavid | tried fglrx, it just irritated me everyday.. so I started using radeonhd (at that time this was the reverse engineered one before ATI made docs) |
| 16:58.46 | ajavid | then ati wisened up and now... im free from fglrx and have 3d |
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| 16:59.52 | ajavid | so yes, thats the reason why I'd never buy anything but ATI... ever |
| 17:00.12 | ajavid | nvidia just doesn't get it... (good drivers though) but they just don't get it |
| 17:00.24 | pipeline | no, they get it |
| 17:00.28 | pipeline | people vote with their pocketbooks :P |
| 17:00.36 | pipeline | nvidia is making bank on proprietary drivers apparently |
| 17:00.37 | ajavid | ahh yes |
| 17:00.40 | ajavid | they get it |
| 17:00.43 | ajavid | and we 'get' it |
| 17:00.46 | ajavid | bend over bitch |
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| 17:01.08 | pipeline | also, pretty sure the r200 free drivers were paid for by the weather channel, not ATi's good will |
| 17:01.22 | ajavid | I dont' know about all that |
| 17:01.24 | pipeline | that's what started the ball rolling anyway |
| 17:01.27 | ajavid | I just see the end result |
| 17:01.38 | ajavid | ATI drivers are open source and work great |
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| 17:01.47 | ajavid | can't say that about nvidia, so fuck nvidia. |
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| 17:02.19 | ajavid | are intel drivers for gfx open? |
| 17:02.28 | ajavid | has never owned intel gfx hardware on any board |
| 17:02.30 | simonrvn | afaik yes |
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| 17:03.12 | pipeline | intel graphics are, however, slow |
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| 17:03.51 | ajavid | yes, that I've experienced, then again they are not primarily a gfx chip manuf. |
| 17:04.17 | ajavid | though if they tried, they could seriously dominate the market |
| 17:04.20 | simonrvn | they do everything else, why not :P |
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| 17:05.11 | simonrvn | i don't know for sure, but it seems to me that they are a recent entry in the video department |
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| 17:05.28 | ajavid | man |
| 17:05.29 | Cosmo` | does anyone have any experience with acpid? |
| 17:05.39 | ajavid | !anyone |
| 17:05.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 17:05.50 | Cosmo` | i'm still having an issue with the default power button script not working for some reason |
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| 17:06.18 | Cosmo` | oddly enough it worked straight after i installed, it hasn't worked since i rebooted ... |
| 17:06.56 | Cosmo` | also there doesn't seem to be anything added to the acpid log |
| 17:06.58 | simonrvn | i don't use it beyond making the box reboot properly |
| 17:07.15 | Cosmo` | yeah, i just need it to do a shutdown -h when i hit the power button |
| 17:07.29 | simonrvn | hm, lemme see |
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| 17:08.02 | Cosmo` | it's almost as if it's not picking up the events from the power button, the scripts seem to be in order in /etc/acpi |
| 17:09.58 | simonrvn | seems relatively simple, mine i don't know, i haven't tried |
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| 17:10.18 | simonrvn | ok, shower, need to get ready |
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| 17:10.24 | Cosmo` | i'm having difficulty finding articles on how to troubleshoot the actual ACPI events |
| 17:10.37 | Cosmo` | and whether they're being picked up by ACPID |
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| 17:13.22 | at0m | Cosmo`: to see weither the event is picked up, "man acpi_listen" |
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| 17:13.25 | Cosmo` | ok, thanks at0m, i will have a look in a sec |
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| 17:14.50 | Shockcore | is it possible to make some kind of cleanup in /boot and in /boot/grub/menu.lst and keep only latest? |
| 17:14.57 | EugenMayer | can someone confirm that the 2.6.31 kernel includes creative xfi treiber |
| 17:15.11 | EugenMayer | Shockcore: updategrub |
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| 17:17.15 | Shockcore | that dosent delete old images |
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| 17:18.11 | EugenMayer | Shockcore: updategrub -= |
| 17:18.12 | EugenMayer | -? |
| 17:18.13 | Cosmo` | ok at0m, so it looks like it's not picking up the ACPI event |
| 17:18.22 | Cosmo` | as acpi_listen does absolutely nothing when i hit the power button |
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| 17:19.11 | Titan8990_ | Shockcore, unless you have upgraded versions, there should only be one kernel |
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| 17:20.47 | Shockcore | i did upgrade |
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| 17:23.50 | mandric | hello i have a windows box and want to install debian in a virtual server ... does anyone recommend a peice of software to accomplish this? |
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| 17:25.18 | fsckroot | mandric: VirtualBox |
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| 17:25.46 | mandric | fsckroot: ah cool |
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| 17:26.30 | mandric | fsckroot: so you just grab virtualbox and then go through normal debian install process? |
| 17:26.41 | pickcoder | I've got a few Debian vbox guests. They run great |
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| 17:27.06 | pickcoder | mandric:you'll want to mount the install ISO as a CD and then boot it like a normal PC |
| 17:27.14 | mandric | gotcha |
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| 17:27.23 | Titan8990_ | more info in #virtualbox |
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| 17:27.34 | pickcoder | there are options in the vbox config settings for the guest |
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| 17:28.30 | Cosmo` | ok, so modprobe -l doesn't show LOADED kernel modules, just ones available |
| 17:28.44 | pickcoder | Cosmo`: they are "loaded" |
| 17:29.00 | Cosmo` | why the " ? |
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| 17:29.03 | at0m | Cosmo`: lsmod for loaded modules |
| 17:29.07 | Cosmo` | as i had to modprobe button to get it to work |
| 17:29.09 | Cosmo` | right, ok |
| 17:29.16 | pickcoder | eh.. I misread that as lsmod |
| 17:29.17 | Titan8990_ | Cosmo`, modprobe -l will list ALL modules |
| 17:29.30 | Cosmo` | right, now i understand |
| 17:29.30 | pickcoder | goes back to work |
| 17:29.36 | Cosmo` | i was under the impression it showed loaded modules |
| 17:29.39 | Cosmo` | good, problem solved then :) |
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| 17:30.40 | Cosmo` | i guess when i first installed ACPID it must've loaded the button KO |
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| 17:32.28 | Shockcore | is the latest stable in lenny : 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:32.28 | Shockcore | ? |
| 17:33.38 | _Dave123_ | Does anyone know a good pastebin that works well with elinks? |
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| 17:35.18 | enouf | !pastebinit |
| 17:35.18 | dpkg | well, pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 17:35.37 | ajavid | enouf, ! |
| 17:35.43 | ajavid | enouf, whas up man where you been |
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| 17:36.09 | enouf | in #debian-chat and #frosted-snow-cones ;-p |
| 17:36.17 | ajavid | _Dave123_, also install gps |
| 17:36.21 | ajavid | uh |
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| 17:36.24 | ajavid | dpm |
| 17:36.25 | ajavid | gpm |
| 17:36.36 | ajavid | goes away |
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| 17:39.26 | _Dave123_ | thnaks enouf |
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| 17:42.15 | matthewpuccWORK | anyone had any success compiling perl 5.10.1 on a lenny-amd64 system? |
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| 17:45.39 | mischief | o/ matthewpuccWORK |
| 17:45.54 | matthewpuccWORK | hi mischief |
| 17:46.01 | valdyn | !tell matthewpuccWORK -about ask |
| 17:46.40 | Shockcore | is the latest stable in lenny : 2.6.26-2-686 ??? |
| 17:46.44 | abrotman | and why are you compiling perl ? |
| 17:46.46 | Shockcore | kernel that is |
| 17:46.46 | abrotman | Shockcore: yes |
| 17:46.50 | Shockcore | thanks |
| 17:46.54 | abrotman | officially anyawys |
| 17:47.01 | matthewpuccWORK | need 5.10.1 |
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| 17:47.11 | matthewpuccWORK | and hang on for question posting to pb |
| 17:47.23 | Shockcore | abrotman is it recommanded to use 2.6.31 on lenny? |
| 17:47.26 | valdyn | judd: versions perl |
| 17:47.26 | judd | valdyn: perl -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch6 etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6 lenny: 5.10.0-19 sid: 5.10.0-25 squeeze: 5.10.0-25 experimental: 5.10.1~rc2-1 |
| 17:47.39 | mischief | i'm running into a peculiar problem: dig, nslookup and host all resolve my NTP server correctly, but rdate doesn't |
| 17:47.43 | _Dave123_ | does anyone know how I can directly jump to the search field in elinks, for example on google.com? |
| 17:47.49 | abrotman | Shockcore: that's up to you |
| 17:48.17 | pickcoder | Shockcore: 2.6.30 is in backports |
| 17:48.34 | Shockcore | whats the apt file to enable unstable package (2.6.31) |
| 17:48.39 | abrotman | and there is no 2.6.31 yet |
| 17:48.59 | Shockcore | oh sorry misstyped: 2.6.30-1 |
| 17:49.01 | Shockcore | :P |
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| 17:49.10 | pickcoder | !tell Shockcore -about bpo |
| 17:50.02 | Shockcore | thanks |
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| 17:51.04 | matthewpuccWORK | i'm trying to compile perl 5.10.1 and when i do it errors out spitting out the following output: http://matthewpucc.pastebin.ca/1543593 |
| 17:51.37 | matthewpuccWORK | so my question is.. is this an error specific to my system? have other ppl experienced it? |
| 17:51.43 | valdyn | matthewpuccWORK: that paste does not show the first error |
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| 17:52.50 | valdyn | matthewpuccWORK: why would you need that perl versions anyway? are you aware that it might break your system? |
| 17:53.10 | valdyn | matthewpuccWORK: why are you compiling perl as root? |
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| 17:53.22 | matthewpuccWORK | well i wasnt installing it to /usr/bin |
| 17:53.56 | valdyn | matthewpuccWORK: nor to /usr/local/bin/ |
| 17:54.20 | matthewpuccWORK | ok |
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| 17:55.33 | pleb2 | Hey kids, say I want to back up a file that is constantly changing |
| 17:55.48 | pleb2 | like a Live SQL database, without stopping the sql server |
| 17:55.50 | abrotman | kids? |
| 17:55.53 | valdyn | dude |
| 17:55.54 | pleb2 | <3 |
| 17:56.19 | Computer | I didn't know you had to stop the SQL server to make a backup of a database? |
| 17:56.21 | dbbolton | i just upgraded a base system from squeeze to sid, and grub-pc is asking me for a "linux command line". would that be /bin/dash? |
| 17:56.27 | valdyn | pleb2: then you need to use the facility of that sql server to dump the database |
| 17:56.35 | valdyn | pleb2: you *cannot* backup the file |
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| 17:56.54 | pleb2 | hmm, bad example, I have a mail server witha huge mailbox and as i back it up, the file changes, and tar says "source file changed" |
| 17:56.57 | pleb2 | how would I back it up? |
| 17:57.20 | pleb2 | stop the mail service? |
| 17:57.32 | pleb2 | backup said file then start the mail service? |
| 17:57.42 | valdyn | pleb2: use Maildir |
| 17:58.21 | pleb2 | valdyn, okay, say I want to back up a running virtual machine... thats a large file which is always changing |
| 17:58.34 | valdyn | pleb2: stop changing the question |
| 17:58.34 | pleb2 | vadyn, stopping the VM or pausing isnt an option |
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| 17:58.42 | valdyn | pleb2: you should by now have understood how this works |
| 17:58.54 | valdyn | pleb2: use the facility of your virtualisation software to create a snapshot |
| 17:59.15 | pleb2 | valdyn :\ then you end up with 300,000 .vdi files over the space of a year |
| 17:59.35 | valdyn | pleb2: because you cannot delete old snapshots? |
| 17:59.46 | valdyn | pleb2: what makes snapshots harder to delete than file copies? |
| 17:59.51 | pleb2 | because the old snapshots look at each other like a tree silly |
| 18:00.03 | pleb2 | BASE FILE > snapshot 1 > snapshot2 |
| 18:00.07 | pleb2 | if i delete snapshot 1 |
| 18:00.12 | pleb2 | virtual machine goes bye bue |
| 18:00.19 | valdyn | pleb2: that does not make sense |
| 18:00.23 | pleb2 | okay |
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| 18:00.34 | pleb2 | I created a snapshot of my server |
| 18:00.36 | valdyn | pleb2: get a vm software that is not limit to doing this kind of incremental snapshot |
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| 18:01.14 | valdyn | pleb2: ( im sure no vm software has such a silly limitation ) |
| 18:01.15 | pleb2 | so my file name is now 83223-232-23-212321.vdi or some rubish... I cannot delete DISK1.vdi as the virtualmachine contains all of DISK1.vdi AND 83223-232-23-212321.vdi |
| 18:01.34 | pleb2 | kinda like |
| 18:01.35 | pleb2 | urm |
| 18:01.43 | pleb2 | an incremental backup |
| 18:01.48 | pleb2 | you cannot just delete the middle ones |
| 18:01.59 | pleb2 | you need ALlllll the vdi files for it to work |
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| 18:02.02 | valdyn | pleb2: im sure you can create complete snapshots |
| 18:02.09 | valdyn | pleb2: just read the docs |
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| 18:04.13 | pleb2 | Valdyn you can.. okay, let me try explain a differnt way. you have a server with a virtual disk file. disk1.vdi this is 40GB, you create a snapshot called snapshot1.vdi, snapshot1.vdi is <100mb and only contains the changes since disk1.vdi and snapshot1.vdi... a week later you make snapshot 2.vdi, snapshot2.vdi is now < 100mb and only contains changes since snapshot1.vdi so you now have 2x 40GB files, disk1 and snapshot1.vdi and a new small |
| 18:04.22 | pleb2 | if i delete snapshot 1.vdi or disk1.vdi at this point |
| 18:04.33 | pleb2 | all i have is the ickle 100mb changes that have been since the last snapshot |
| 18:04.45 | pleb2 | i want to know, is it possible just to backup DISK1.vdi |
| 18:04.48 | pleb2 | as it is a changing file? |
| 18:04.51 | pleb2 | or not? |
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| 18:05.04 | pleb2 | in windows you can do it with volume shadow |
| 18:05.19 | pleb2 | and I hate to bring the W word out but id be shocked if linux couldnt copy a changing file. |
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| 18:05.49 | valdyn | pleb2: in windows a file *cannot* be changed when an application is accessing it |
| 18:06.08 | valdyn | pleb2: in unix you can |
| 18:06.14 | dbbolton | this file is being used by another person or program |
| 18:06.36 | pleb2 | dbbolton either, if its possible i can tell it to run as the same user which is accessing the file |
| 18:06.36 | valdyn | pleb2: thats a fucking ugly misfeature of windows but it could play to your advantage in that special case, i dont understand it yet |
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| 18:06.44 | ajavid | lol |
| 18:06.49 | pleb2 | valdyn please dont get angry |
| 18:06.54 | pleb2 | I have backupsoftware which can backup sql |
| 18:06.56 | pleb2 | whiloe its running |
| 18:06.56 | valdyn | pleb2: im not angry at all |
| 18:06.59 | ajavid | this isn't anger |
| 18:07.02 | pleb2 | and it uses volume shadowing to do that |
| 18:07.06 | valdyn | pleb2: i just expressed my opinion about that "feature" |
| 18:07.11 | dbbolton | does fglrx work with 2.6.30 yet? |
| 18:07.17 | ajavid | dbbolton, yes |
| 18:07.21 | valdyn | pleb2: volume shadowing does not do what you need |
| 18:07.26 | ajavid | dbbolton, I don't use it, but yes |
| 18:07.28 | dbbolton | ajavid on 64 bit? |
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| 18:07.30 | ajavid | dbbolton, you have to patch it |
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| 18:07.37 | pleb2 | valdyn agreed, the clever backup software does what I need |
| 18:07.44 | pleb2 | valdyn but it wont run on linux... |
| 18:07.45 | valdyn | pleb2: creating a random "snapshot" of a file will *not* create a consistent vm snapshot |
| 18:07.49 | ajavid | dbbolton, look on phoronix forms for the patch |
| 18:07.55 | valdyn | pleb2: not on windows, not on linux |
| 18:08.01 | ajavid | dbbolton, just patch the driver before your build the module |
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| 18:08.05 | ajavid | you( |
| 18:08.10 | ajavid | fuck me and my keybaord! |
| 18:08.16 | ajavid | (that was slight anger) |
| 18:08.46 | valdyn | pleb2: whatever you need to backup beneath a running application *must* be backed up by just that application |
| 18:08.54 | pleb2 | :\ Valdyn, I have software which runs under windows which can backup large files which are in use, such as an sql database, we have sqldatabases in work around the 2gb mark and it backs them up fine. i dont know how it does it, or how it works, only it does |
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| 18:09.02 | pleb2 | I want to know what I can use with linux to backup big changing files |
| 18:09.19 | valdyn | pleb2: you dont understand that its *pure* luck if those backups are usable for anything |
| 18:10.01 | pleb2 | valdyn the software is guarrenteed to work on things like that, its called livestate system recovery. now i dont normally back anything written by symantec but they bought it in |
| 18:10.04 | pleb2 | it does the job |
| 18:10.06 | pleb2 | and very well |
| 18:10.16 | pleb2 | we have restored the backups before very successfully |
| 18:10.20 | valdyn | pleb2: you just think it does, its luck if it works |
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| 18:10.33 | pleb2 | vadyn, then ive been very lucky at least 10 times |
| 18:10.37 | pleb2 | .. |
| 18:10.38 | pleb2 | anyway |
| 18:10.43 | dbbolton | ajavid is this the right post http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=83536&postcount=50 |
| 18:11.00 | valdyn | pleb2: it might even work 9 of 10 times or 99 or 100 times, its still pure luck if it works |
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| 18:11.15 | neurochrome | ok folks, bit of a dilemma.... I have a laptop that obviously has some sort of balance sensor that means that when I play certain games, the angle of the laptop steers cars/moves paddles in pong etc...... How do I turn this off at a hardware level? There are no ways to deselect it in any games..... |
| 18:11.16 | pleb2 | valdyn do you have any information which might help me? |
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| 18:11.24 | pleb2 | or is your answer : YOU NEED TO SNAPSHOT/ STOP THE SERVICE? |
| 18:11.25 | valdyn | pleb2: i already told you everything |
| 18:11.41 | valdyn | pleb2: the answer is that your vm software must create the snapshot |
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| 18:11.53 | pleb2 | I'll look into that route if thats the only option |
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| 18:12.14 | valdyn | pleb2: otherwise its not guaranteed that the system is in an (afterwards) usable state |
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| 18:12.37 | pleb2 | valdyn, esp with such a big file, like our 600GB VM's |
| 18:13.09 | pleb2 | valdyn I think, i'll stick to running backup software On the VM's |
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| 18:13.20 | pleb2 | rather than trying to backup the VM's as files themseleves... |
| 18:13.22 | valdyn | pleb2: thats also decent a solution |
| 18:13.33 | valdyn | pleb2: but the restore time is probably bigger |
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| 18:13.45 | pleb2 | thats the way we do it atm, thought it would be easier to do it the other way because of the fast restore like your saying... |
| 18:13.54 | gubluntu | whew okay, i almost got it working |
| 18:14.22 | gubluntu | only issue now is i get " cp: cannot stat `/allfiles/Active_Campaign_WTD*': No such file or directory " |
| 18:14.28 | valdyn | pleb2: you have 1.vdi ( 600GB ), create snapshot 2.vdi ( 100mb ), move 2.vdi away, create *new* 2.vdi ( slightly > 100mb ). Sounds like a fine solution to me |
| 18:14.32 | pleb2 | valdyn at least I dont have to worry about the new server having a similar raid array etc.... |
| 18:14.46 | gubluntu | it does exist, but its not interpreting the wildcard |
| 18:15.24 | neurochrome | the accelerometer is connected to.... lis3lv02/input0 |
| 18:15.26 | pleb2 | Valdyn perhaps I have misunderstood the snapshot idea, when ive delt with it int he path they add to each other like a chain... almost like restoring from incremental |
| 18:15.34 | pleb2 | but there maybe other options in the snapshot.. |
| 18:15.40 | neurochrome | bus 0x9 |
| 18:16.01 | valdyn | pleb2: well, i doubt it really is a chain |
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| 18:16.29 | valdyn | pleb2: for a vm a chain doesnt make sense as the starting point keeps changing |
| 18:17.32 | pleb2 | Valdyn exactly why I didnt want to string them, I have made the mistake in the past of starting from disk1.vdi instead of snapshot1.vid and snapshot1.vdi was destroyed as starting disk1.vdi linux tried to fix all its inodes and it got in a massive horrific mess |
| 18:17.35 | pleb2 | bad times |
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| 18:17.48 | valdyn | pleb2: but if it is, then removing the chain would have it create a new one |
| 18:17.54 | pleb2 | also i imagine you would take a performance hit as your build up more and more .vdi's |
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| 18:22.02 | neurochrome | Is there anyway to turn off the ST LIS3LV02DL Accelerometer that is connected to lis3lv02/input0 on the fly??? |
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| 18:26.35 | silvering | need some help please |
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| 18:27.36 | silvering | anyone? |
| 18:28.12 | pleb2 | !ask |
| 18:28.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:28.40 | neurochrome | how do I locate the module used by an accelerometer? |
| 18:28.41 | pleb2 | s'up silvering |
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| 18:29.53 | silvering | ok, sry, so.. i`m running my PC with 2 HDD, first one is master - 160 GB IDE, second one slave - 80 GB. On the first one i have installed Win XP MCE, and Debian (without boot loader), on the second one - Ubuntu Jaunty and Grub |
| 18:30.10 | silvering | when i start my PC grub is showing everything, ubuntu, WinXP, Debian |
| 18:30.14 | silvering | but Debian wont start |
| 18:30.23 | pleb2 | sounds like a mess |
| 18:30.26 | pleb2 | which did you install last? |
| 18:30.34 | silvering | ubuntu |
| 18:30.41 | silvering | but listen |
| 18:30.58 | neurochrome | wonders if people can actually hear his cries |
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| 18:31.09 | silvering | first install xp, then Debian.. with these CD's .. with internet downloading package setting |
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| 18:31.35 | silvering | and i didnt install Bootloader presuming that the Ubuntu's Grub will see the Debian |
| 18:31.43 | pleb2 | silvering |
| 18:31.43 | Titan8990_ | silvering, what happens when you select debian? |
| 18:31.45 | pleb2 | can I ask why? |
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| 18:32.13 | silvering | now when i choose debian its loading and when goes to the "loading file root system" or something like that it freez |
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| 18:32.51 | silvering | pleb2 why what? |
| 18:32.58 | ajavid | root fs not found |
| 18:33.15 | ajavid | there was a factoid about that |
| 18:33.21 | ajavid | seemingly a common problem |
| 18:33.28 | gpslett | HI EVERYBODY, I would like to know if debian has released the fix for the recent java's flaw? thanks in advance |
| 18:33.56 | silvering | why the f*ck is that happend? |
| 18:34.17 | silvering | it needs his own boot loader.. or what? |
| 18:34.35 | Titan8990_ | it needs a correct menu.lst entry |
| 18:34.37 | pleb2 | silvering is it possible that ubuntu installer has overwritten some of the /boot files in urm... /boot? |
| 18:34.45 | Titan8990_ | your root= for the debian entry is wrong |
| 18:34.49 | ajavid | no probably just need a root= line on the kernel |
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| 18:35.22 | ajavid | hit e on grub, to edit, then scroll down to kernel line, e again, to edit, append root= or modify that to point to correct location |
| 18:35.27 | ajavid | enter, b to boot |
| 18:35.44 | Titan8990_ | ^ note not perm and will need to be changed after you boot |
| 18:35.56 | pleb2 | silvering with that many operating systems, why not just have one... your favourite prettyest one (debian of course :P) and use virtualbox or some other virtualisation software to run all other weird stuff? |
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| 18:36.08 | ajavid | Titan8990_, how you gonna steal my next line |
| 18:36.10 | ajavid | i mean |
| 18:36.13 | ajavid | c'mon :) |
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| 18:36.55 | silvering | pleb2 not likely.. 1.5 cpu 256 ram, dont want VM |
| 18:37.01 | ajavid | silvering, after that edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add this thing to the kopt |
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| 18:37.59 | silvering | ajavid what thing? |
| 18:38.14 | ajavid | root=/dev/whatever |
| 18:38.33 | pleb2 | silvering... okayyyyy i'll just assume you have a perfectly reasonable reason for all the OS's :) |
| 18:38.43 | silvering | whatever: the partition with debian named in ubuntu? |
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| 18:39.06 | silvering | sdb2 i think |
| 18:39.08 | ajavid | I'm gonna go and uhm... do non computery things. |
| 18:39.09 | Titan8990_ | silvering, what you just said doesn't make any sense |
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| 18:39.23 | pleb2 | silvbering |
| 18:39.25 | pleb2 | you said IDE drives |
| 18:39.26 | Titan8990_ | which is why you got that response from ajavid |
| 18:39.30 | pleb2 | it'll be hda1 or something |
| 18:39.36 | Titan8990_ | pleb2, no... |
| 18:39.45 | pleb2 | (feels a lesson coming) |
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| 18:39.49 | Titan8990_ | pleb2, IDE has been emulated as sata for quite a while |
| 18:39.54 | pleb2 | aww man |
| 18:39.57 | pleb2 | why do they keep doing this to me |
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| 18:40.04 | Titan8990_ | pleb2, or really, more like IDE and sata both emulated as scsi |
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| 18:40.28 | pleb2 | last time iw as here i nearly died cause my /etc/x11/xorg.conf was empty but apparently tahts normal now |
| 18:40.37 | pleb2 | man where am i ment to learn these updates :|S? |
| 18:40.39 | Titan8990_ | pleb2, but often if you compile your own kernel you can still use the old IDE drivers that would display as /dev/hdx |
| 18:41.00 | Titan8990_ | pleb2, if you use a distro like gentoo, you will know.... |
| 18:41.23 | Titan8990_ | because the major updates will break your system forcing you to learn the new way |
| 18:41.26 | silvering | in gparted i see it as /dev/sda2 |
| 18:41.29 | pleb2 | Thanks Titain, I havent noticed everything Im running debian on now is either heavily scsi, virtual, or a hp c0d0p1 type job |
| 18:41.33 | pleb2 | I'll shush :P |
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| 18:43.25 | ajavid | silvering, please do not msg me. /topic |
| 18:43.44 | silvering | sorry.. miss that part in the topic |
| 18:44.03 | silvering | so.. add root=/dev/sda2 in grub and menu.lst??? |
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| 18:47.30 | rpaulson | how come the netboot.tar.gz of the unstable distribution contain installation files for the lenny distribution? |
| 18:47.42 | silvering | ajavid no i see .. in menu.lst i have Root=/dev/sda2 |
| 18:47.44 | silvering | its right |
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| 18:50.15 | Fare | hi, how do I become DD, already? Got my key signed. |
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| 18:52.41 | ajavid | it is a long process |
| 18:53.14 | ajavid | you have to be very patient and have to contribute, prove yourself and your motivation and that you can take on responsibilities and get the work done |
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| 18:54.30 | ajavid | Fare, start by maintaining some packages, get a mentor |
| 18:55.14 | ajavid | Fare, http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ |
| 18:55.23 | mallxs_ | What is the bast way to disable ipv6 .. i disabled it in modepobe/aliases ... is that correct ? |
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| 18:56.04 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 18:56.05 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 18:56.05 | ajavid | Fare, http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 18:56.37 | dutchfish | mallxs_, http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Disabling_IPv6_under_a_2.6_kernel |
| 18:56.47 | mallxs_ | thx folks |
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| 18:57.32 | flo-rida | Hi all, does anyone know what codec i need to install so i can play the trailers on apple.com/trailers ? |
| 18:57.46 | Fare | ajavid, how can I maintain a package w/o being a DD already? |
| 18:57.57 | ajavid | Fare, i told you and gave you the link |
| 18:58.09 | Fare | I mean, I have maintained a package for cl-launch, but could not upload |
| 18:58.10 | adb_ | dpkg: tell mallxs_ -about noipv6 |
| 18:58.10 | dutchfish | Fare, you can send in bug fixes |
| 18:58.13 | ajavid | Fare, first thing you need to do is read |
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| 18:58.25 | ajavid | i see |
| 18:58.40 | ajavid | anyway, the links i provided have ALL of the information you need |
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| 18:58.48 | ajavid | ALL. |
| 18:59.16 | Fare | thanks a lot |
| 18:59.28 | ajavid | np |
| 18:59.42 | jelly-home | dutchfish: oh, and ipv6 cannot be disabled at all after ~2.6.30 or so |
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| 18:59.53 | flo-rida | Anyone? |
| 18:59.56 | flo-rida | .... |
| 18:59.56 | Fare | (the common lisp packages are undermaintained these days, so I'd thought I'd contribute a minimum of updates) |
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| 19:00.16 | ajavid | flo-rida, w32codecs and mplayer-mozilla from /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 19:00.26 | dutchfish | jelly-home, did not know that one, nor did i have a need to |
| 19:01.25 | ajavid | flo-rida, or any other browser plugin that uses w32codecs, i dunno if VLC will |
| 19:01.39 | ajavid | I don't use vlc I don't know if it natively decodes quicktime |
| 19:01.52 | ajavid | i don't even know what apple.com has, flash or quicktime |
| 19:01.55 | rpaulson | where can I get network boot files for unstable distrib? |
| 19:02.17 | ajavid | flo-rida, you can also grab the flash plugin from dmm repo |
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| 19:02.38 | dutchfish | jelly-home, http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/27856/ |
| 19:03.19 | flo-rida | ajavid: quick time lol |
| 19:03.23 | flo-rida | .mov format |
| 19:03.27 | spectre1 | WTF |
| 19:03.33 | flo-rida | O_o |
| 19:03.37 | spectre1 | two nokia devices in my house just rebooted |
| 19:03.37 | flo-rida | wtf @ wtf |
| 19:03.40 | spectre1 | by themselves |
| 19:03.45 | spectre1 | my n810 crashed and rebooted |
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| 19:03.48 | spectre1 | and my phone just did too |
| 19:03.49 | flo-rida | They're haunted |
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| 19:03.56 | flo-rida | You have a ghost in the sys |
| 19:04.11 | jelly-home | dutchfish: yeh but debian: CONFIG_IPV6=y |
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| 19:04.15 | o_o | hi ... where do i get apxs from apache-dev is not known on my system |
| 19:04.18 | o_o | ? |
| 19:04.19 | valdyn | quicktime should just be h.264 in a mov container, anything plays that |
| 19:04.30 | flo-rida | Inferno:~# aptitude search w32codecs |
| 19:04.30 | flo-rida | Inferno:~# |
| 19:04.34 | flo-rida | Fail |
| 19:04.41 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 19:04.41 | dpkg | hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 19:04.43 | valdyn | flo-rida: ^^ |
| 19:04.49 | dutchfish | jelly-home, thats why i am not in a need, because i run my own kernel withmy own fixes, but yes, you are right |
| 19:05.07 | flo-rida | !dmm lenny |
| 19:05.07 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
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| 19:05.19 | flo-rida | Hell no |
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| 19:05.38 | flo-rida | Not fucken with /etc/apt/sources.list again |
| 19:05.43 | dutchfish | jelly-home, your prays ahve been heard apprently: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=56d417b12e57dfe11c9b7ba4bea3882c62a55815 |
| 19:05.46 | flo-rida | Last time i did that i had to reinstall |
| 19:05.46 | jelly-home | yes fucken! |
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| 19:05.54 | flo-rida | Is there another solution? |
| 19:06.01 | loXx | ;-) |
| 19:06.12 | ctmjr | Fare: read this about apple and linux http://linux-blog.org/apple-denies-linux-access-to-its-movie-trailers/ |
| 19:06.25 | jelly-home | dutchfish: there is sense in Linuxland! Who would have known |
| 19:06.32 | sphenxes | I have configured my samba server and it works fine. When i log in Windows I can see and write folder on my linux computer. that is fine but now I would like to change it to read only (from window). i have the following configuration: [myMedia] path = /myStore/ browseable = yes write = mw, user. |
| 19:06.36 | dutchfish | jelly-home, ;) |
| 19:06.57 | Fare | ctmjr, hi, have we met before? |
| 19:06.57 | jelly-home | dutchfish: now I have to rebootish, and it's all your fault! Thanks for the info. |
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| 19:07.23 | dutchfish | jelly-home, dont shoot the messenger please ;) |
| 19:07.52 | jelly-home | shoots for three points... |
| 19:09.00 | ctmjr | Fare: sorry wrong nic |
| 19:09.54 | ajavid | it works fine here, apple.com/trailer |
| 19:10.01 | ajavid | embedded player media player loads up |
| 19:10.17 | flo-rida | ajavid: are you using iceweasel |
| 19:10.28 | ajavid | ff3.5 |
| 19:10.34 | flo-rida | Wtf |
| 19:10.36 | flo-rida | =/ |
| 19:10.57 | flo-rida | Im using 3.0. |
| 19:11.13 | flo-rida | But its not based on the ver is it? |
| 19:11.19 | flo-rida | Its based on the codecs yes? |
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| 19:13.10 | jhutchins_lt | ajavid: What player are you using? |
| 19:14.22 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 19:14.30 | ajavid | mplayer |
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| 19:16.13 | ajavid | well it shows the initial screen |
| 19:16.21 | ajavid | first frame of the video |
| 19:16.31 | ajavid | as soon as i click play the window disappears/crashes |
| 19:16.40 | ajavid | but its loading i think |
| 19:16.57 | ajavid | they aren't using any active X controls |
| 19:17.29 | ajavid | look through their java script to see if anything weird is going on there, and then modify that behaviour with greasemonkey |
| 19:17.36 | ukl | hello. I just need a pointer -- I'm having trouble with the input of accents on console (tty and urxvt); like, when pressing "`" and "e", I'd expect an e with an accent but all I get is an "`e". My /etc/default/console-setup sets CHARMAP="UTF-8" and CODESET="Lat15" (I think this has something to do with it, but I could be horribly wrong) |
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| 19:34.19 | rpaulson | where can I get network boot files for unstable distrib? |
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| 19:34.47 | cheeseboy | rpaulson, google? |
| 19:35.25 | flo-rida | Does anyone know why i cant run make when im trying to install samba 3.4 by source? |
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| 19:35.56 | flo-rida | The makefile is clearly there and it wont run |
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| 19:36.15 | cheeseboy | flo-rida, how bout an error? |
| 19:36.27 | rpaulson | cheeseboy: I "found" it on debian.org, but even if I chose network boot from the unstable distribution, I got the files for the stable (lenny) distribution |
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| 19:36.33 | flo-rida | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
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| 19:37.01 | flo-rida | Samilipro:~/samba-3.4.0/source3# make Makefile.in |
| 19:37.01 | flo-rida | make: Nothing to be done for `Makefile.in'. |
| 19:37.07 | flo-rida | Weird |
| 19:37.11 | flo-rida | Any ideas? |
| 19:37.32 | Computer | I have the usb-hdd iso.. how do I write this to my usb-hdd? |
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| 19:37.52 | cheeseboy | rpaulson, http://tinyurl.com/mh6fey |
| 19:38.12 | Pryon | flo-rida: if you want to specify a makefile, try -f |
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| 19:38.25 | flo-rida | k |
| 19:38.31 | Pryon | the way you're doing it you're saying "build a target named Makefile.in" |
| 19:38.43 | flo-rida | Gotcha |
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| 19:38.59 | cheeseboy | flo-rida, you have build-essential or w/e installed? |
| 19:39.03 | Pryon | I'm guessing, however, that you don't really want to use Makefile.in |
| 19:39.12 | flo-rida | cheeseboy: no? |
| 19:39.16 | flo-rida | Makefile.in:1343: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 19:39.20 | ajavid | !b-e |
| 19:39.20 | dpkg | build-essential is probably a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 19:39.30 | flo-rida | Im just following the .pdf i got from samba.org |
| 19:39.49 | flo-rida | First was to cd samba-3.4.x/source3 |
| 19:39.50 | ajavid | judd versions samba-common |
| 19:39.51 | judd | ajavid: samba-common -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1 lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny2 lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny6 squeeze: 2:3.3.4-1 lenny-backports: 2:3.3.6-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2:3.4.0-3 |
| 19:39.53 | flo-rida | then ./auto.sh |
| 19:40.10 | flo-rida | Nah |
| 19:40.18 | flo-rida | I need 3.4 latest |
| 19:40.20 | ajavid | flo-rida, backport it from sid |
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| 19:40.31 | ajavid | !ssb |
| 19:40.31 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 19:40.32 | flo-rida | Ewww =/ |
| 19:40.44 | ajavid | how is that different from building from upstream source |
| 19:40.54 | ajavid | you think debian introduced its own new bugs in there somehow? |
| 19:40.58 | ajavid | whats with the ew? |
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| 19:41.17 | Pryon | Anyway, the next step isn't make, it's configure |
| 19:41.17 | flo-rida | I hate modifying sources.list |
| 19:41.18 | ajavid | if anything, this would be easiser to manage and maintain than non packaged |
| 19:41.28 | flo-rida | Pryon: yeah i did that already |
| 19:41.30 | ajavid | alright, good luck. |
| 19:41.36 | flo-rida | Thats how the Makefile.in was created |
| 19:41.47 | ajavid | why do you want samba 3.4? |
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| 19:42.06 | flo-rida | Because i cant find a .pdf for anything below 3.2 |
| 19:42.20 | Pryon | what's the URL for this PDF you're looking at? |
| 19:42.27 | ajavid | what has a pdf got to do with anything? |
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| 19:42.45 | ajavid | what feature from 3.4 is it that you require which is not on previous versions |
| 19:42.53 | flo-rida | Pryon: http://www.samba.org/~samba-bugs/docs/v3-4-test/samba-docs-latest.tar.bz2 |
| 19:42.53 | ajavid | flo-rida, why can't you aptitude install samba |
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| 19:42.58 | ajavid | whats wrong with that? |
| 19:43.08 | flo-rida | ajavid: because its a older version of samba |
| 19:43.17 | ajavid | yes, and why does it matter? |
| 19:43.22 | ajavid | do you even know? |
| 19:43.22 | flo-rida | I just said, i cant find any pdf for anything under 3.2 |
| 19:43.28 | ajavid | are just because its old? |
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| 19:43.43 | ajavid | seriuosly dude. |
| 19:43.45 | flo-rida | No because i'd like to know what im doing which is why i want the pdf |
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| 19:44.36 | guyzmo | hi |
| 19:45.14 | ajavid | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ |
| 19:45.22 | ajavid | The Official Samba 3.2.x HOWTO and Reference Guide |
| 19:45.51 | ajavid | if you google around im sure you'll find tons of resources |
| 19:45.57 | guyzmo | I got a poweredge server that is six monthes old, and works perfectly fine with a 2.6.18 but when upgraded to the last kernel, the NIC is not recognized anymore... (it's a broadcom netextreme II 5708). I find it quite weird that something supported in earlier kernels is not anymore |
| 19:46.02 | ajavid | judd versions samba-docs |
| 19:46.02 | judd | ajavid: samba-docs -- |
| 19:46.04 | ajavid | judd versions samba-doc |
| 19:46.05 | judd | ajavid: samba-doc -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10 sid: 2:3.2.4-1 etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1 sid: 2:3.2.5-4 lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny2 lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny6 experimental: 2:3.3.0-1 squeeze: 2:3.3.4-1 lenny-backports: 2:3.3.6-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2:3.4.0-3 |
| 19:46.06 | guyzmo | (of course I only get packages from apt) |
| 19:46.20 | ajavid | you have the documentation packages for that version of samba in debian packages already |
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| 19:46.30 | ajavid | there is absolutely no need to build from source |
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| 19:46.43 | ajavid | flo-rida, ^ |
| 19:47.35 | hark | guyzmo: you want firmware-nbx2 |
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| 19:47.58 | guyzmo | hark - ah, ok, thanks |
| 19:48.06 | guyzmo | I'm gonna google about that :) |
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| 19:49.45 | hark | guyzmo: sorry firmware-bnx2 |
| 19:50.02 | Eepy | I am having trouble running Awesome-WM on my debian virtualbox. It's currently a command line distro, I have installed the correct awesome.deb and all the dependencies, but I can't seem to run it. Typing "awesome" produces an error: "#E: awesome: main:237: cannot open display". Can anyone help with this? Thanks |
| 19:50.17 | guyzmo | hark - I can't find apt-cache search bnx2 |
| 19:50.23 | guyzmo | very weird |
| 19:50.33 | hark | guyzmo: enable non-free |
| 19:50.37 | ajavid | its probably non-free |
| 19:50.48 | guyzmo | aaaah |
| 19:50.49 | guyzmo | right |
| 19:50.56 | ajavid | its raining! |
| 19:51.03 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:51.27 | guyzmo | hark - thanks :) |
| 19:51.34 | hark | np |
| 19:51.44 | guyzmo | let's try on the other server that is nullrouted :) |
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| 19:55.05 | foo-nix | I have a nasty bug in alsa: http://pastebin.com/m1087ee2f The /lib/alsa/ does in fact not exist. Is this a known bug (I could not find googling) ? |
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| 19:55.33 | foo-nix | can I somehow reinstall alsa-base? |
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| 19:55.51 | foo-nix | btw, the hda module does get inserted. |
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| 19:56.01 | cheeseboy | whats the name of unstable debian now? |
| 19:56.04 | flo-rida | ajavid: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Using_Samba_on_Debian_Linux |
| 19:56.08 | dutchfish | !sid |
| 19:56.08 | dpkg | i guess sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
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| 19:56.14 | foo-nix | cheeseboy, isn't that squeeze? |
| 19:56.27 | cheeseboy | i dunno |
| 19:56.50 | foo-nix | cheeseboy, squeeze is 'testing' |
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| 19:59.35 | valdyn | foo-nix: whats the output for "grep -R hda /etc/modprobe.d/" |
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| 20:00.37 | Gijs | hey all |
| 20:00.40 | Gijs | i got a problem |
| 20:00.51 | enouf | we all got porbs |
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| 20:00.58 | foo-nix | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/mf8c7ca0 The last line I added manually, it was a known 'bug' of my laptop and needed to be added to make it work. |
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| 20:01.07 | cheeseboy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:01.13 | cheeseboy | how do i fix? |
| 20:01.13 | foo-nix | Gijs is a dutch name |
| 20:01.25 | Gijs | if i start a program and that program needs to create files then it create files with chmod:644 |
| 20:01.32 | Gijs | yeah i'm dutch |
| 20:01.41 | valdyn | foo-nix: well, /lib/alsa cannot exist in debian so you obviously added some nonsense there |
| 20:02.09 | foo-nix | valdyn, ah, kk, that can be true |
| 20:02.11 | foo-nix | thanx for the info. |
| 20:02.24 | foo-nix | valdyn, I think I can debug a little more now :) |
| 20:02.26 | valdyn | foo-nix: maybe you created that directory and the file in there manually |
| 20:02.37 | foo-nix | valdyn, one moment, what you say makes sense. |
| 20:02.40 | Gijs | ? |
| 20:02.48 | mallxs_ | alsa is a bus company in spain |
| 20:03.35 | foo-nix | Gijs, 644 means you can read/write it but you can't execute it |
| 20:03.43 | dutchfish | Gijs, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html |
| 20:04.03 | Gijs | yeah and i need to know that program create files with chmod 777 |
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| 20:06.07 | iareyez | how to set up a proxy client in linux from command line? |
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| 20:06.31 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 20:06.48 | dutchfish | iareyez, for apt or http in general? |
| 20:06.52 | dutchfish | Gijs, umask |
| 20:06.52 | iareyez | http in general |
| 20:07.00 | Gijs | how to set the default chmod to 777 ? |
| 20:07.07 | iareyez | export http_proxy doe not work for me |
| 20:07.43 | karme | iareyez: which program? |
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| 20:07.48 | tsyd_ | test |
| 20:07.51 | iareyez | firefox |
| 20:08.00 | iareyez | does not works for export http configuration |
| 20:08.11 | karme | iareyez: i don't think it uses the environment variable |
| 20:08.18 | foo-nix | valdyn, could you again help me with alsa, cause I indeed did something wrong in the conf file: http://pastebin.com/m59f8e399 |
| 20:08.21 | karme | iareyez: you probably have to search in the preferences |
| 20:08.24 | pbn | Hi there, I still got that sound problem when using phonon-backend-xine 4:4.3.1-4. It's Debian bug #543292 |
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| 20:08.38 | dutchfish | iareyez, /etc/environment is the fille to configure |
| 20:08.44 | iareyez | Ok |
| 20:09.02 | foo-nix | valdyn, I trying to let the snd-usb-audio have an index such that it won't be used as a default thing |
| 20:09.12 | karme | dutchfish: does firefox respect the http_proxy environment variable? |
| 20:09.24 | iareyez | I think no |
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| 20:09.29 | foo-nix | valdyn, which obviously failes because after 'alsa reload' the device is still the one in alsamixer |
| 20:09.36 | dutchfish | iareyez, something like http_proxy="http://proxy.site.ext:[portnumber]" |
| 20:09.47 | valdyn | foo-nix: you should edit ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf to set the default |
| 20:10.03 | foo-nix | valdyn, kk, thanx |
| 20:10.10 | dutchfish | karme, i believe it has its own proxy settings (not sure) |
| 20:10.32 | valdyn | http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc#Default_PCM_device |
| 20:10.36 | valdyn | foo-nix: ^^ |
| 20:10.41 | iareyez | it does not work this way |
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| 20:10.57 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 20:11.17 | dutchfish | karme, yes, it can, but it can also use the system wide config |
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| 20:11.25 | billybigrigger | hey all |
| 20:11.28 | mallxs_ | i'm trying to use backuppc from with in a NATed environment getting data with rsync from a machine in the outside world... but i get errors "Got remote protocol 1752392034" |
| 20:12.00 | billybigrigger | how do i get ext4 support on lenny live usb? i'm trying to chroot into an ext4 ubuntu install via this live usb, and mount won't mount it because of an unkown filesystem |
| 20:12.04 | dutchfish | karme, under settings -> advanced -> networking -> |
| 20:12.29 | valdyn | billybigrigger: you could try -t ext4dev, but thats hardly recommendable |
| 20:12.30 | Gijs | i want the default chmod is 777 how to do that? |
| 20:12.31 | karme | dutchfish: yes, i just misunderstood |
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| 20:12.44 | fluorine | hi all |
| 20:12.44 | dutchfish | Gijs, i gave you a link with the whole explanation |
| 20:12.54 | billybigrigger | valdyn: hehe ok, so what is recommendable? |
| 20:13.05 | Gijs | did you? |
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| 20:13.12 | valdyn | billybigrigger: using a live cd with a kernel >= 2.6.28 |
| 20:13.22 | dutchfish | Gijs, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html |
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| 20:13.48 | iareyez | wich is the sintax for envirotment file |
| 20:13.50 | iareyez | http_proxy= |
| 20:13.52 | iareyez | or |
| 20:13.55 | iareyez | export http_proxy= |
| 20:13.58 | billybigrigger | valdyn: thanks |
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| 20:15.26 | billybigrigger | valdyn: is lenny the latest liveusb? or is there a sid version? |
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| 20:16.32 | dutchfish | iareyez, something like http_proxy="http://proxy.site.ext:[portnumber]" |
| 20:16.37 | iareyez | ok |
| 20:16.43 | SRabbelier | Heya, I just upgraded to the 2.6.30 kernel and installed the latest Catalyst 9.8 driver on my W500 laptop; but now I get the following message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/m6d6a64d9 together with this message when I run glxinfo: http://pastebin.com/me7e5b47 |
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| 20:17.06 | Gijs | to what umask i need to set to get 777 ? |
| 20:17.09 | jtheuer | Hi, has anyone ever created some kind of "remote ssh initialization script"? I often connect to new hosts and I'd like to automatically set stuff like my ssh key, my bash, screen, editor settings... any ideas? |
| 20:17.12 | SRabbelier | where with W500 laptop I mean 'my lenovo W500 thinkpad' |
| 20:17.21 | iareyez | I guess restart the system is needed |
| 20:17.54 | iareyez | bye |
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| 20:19.07 | dutchfish | Gijs, we not gone spoil it, please read it up again ;) |
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| 20:22.14 | guyzmo | re |
| 20:22.21 | guyzmo | hark - thanks a lot, it actually worked :) |
| 20:23.07 | guyzmo | I got another question : I have a raid5 array of 3TB with 4 HDs of 1TB, and I'd like to make a smart LVM setup with that |
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| 20:23.14 | guyzmo | if anyone can advice me on that |
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| 20:31.21 | billybigrigger | how do i burn an iso from console? |
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| 20:31.32 | billybigrigger | or should i say, does anyone know of a util i can use |
| 20:32.31 | pngwn | billybigrigger, I use wodim |
| 20:34.02 | billybigrigger | pngwn: just relised i don't have my cdrw hooked up |
| 20:34.56 | billybigrigger | pngwn: it's not possible to dd over a usb image is it? |
| 20:35.06 | billybigrigger | like i'm using a live usb of lenny right now, and want to write another image to it |
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| 20:36.20 | abrotman | !burniso |
| 20:36.20 | dpkg | hmm... burniso is wodim -dev /dev/cdrom -v -v -data foo.iso, or ask me about <check iso image> |
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| 20:40.09 | willmore | Is there a debian prefered way to alter the scripts in /etc/rc*.d? I.e. what gets run at which runlevel? |
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| 20:40.38 | epsas | willmore - update-rc.d |
| 20:40.44 | SRabbelier | how do I download libdrm2 from stable manually? |
| 20:40.49 | willmore | epsas, thanks. I'll look into it. |
| 20:40.51 | epsas | n |
| 20:40.52 | epsas | np |
| 20:42.44 | willmore | epsas, yep, that did it. Just like chkconfig on fedora. Thanks a bunch. |
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| 20:45.19 | willmore | Ahh, nice. Shutoff network-manager. Damn, but gnome brings along a lot of baggage. |
| 20:45.42 | willmore | Now, if I an only find out who's touching my HD and keeping it from sleeping..... |
| 20:46.58 | willmore | It's not an existing process as an lsof diffed with another 10 minutes later shows no differences but the lsof commands. So, someone is getting spawned, diddling the HD, and exiting. Now, just to find out who and why.... |
| 20:47.45 | willmore | Hmmm, a long term vmstat shows it being ever 5 minutes (or thereabouts). |
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| 20:50.22 | n3lab | hi |
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| 20:50.38 | n3lab | can anybody help? |
| 20:51.40 | willmore | with what? |
| 20:52.12 | n3lab | i have some problems with nvidia driver |
| 20:52.20 | mallxs_ | willmore: isn't it pdflush |
| 20:52.56 | n3lab | i upgraded my lenny to sid and now nvidia drivers not works( |
| 20:53.09 | willmore | mallxs_, flushing dirty pages? I did a sync before the test. But, there's still activity ever 5 min. |
| 20:53.28 | willmore | Also, shouldn't pdflush show some change in 'ps' or 'lsof' output from that activity? |
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| 20:53.42 | chomwitt | dasher (an accesability keyboard input app) doesnt work at all! |
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| 20:54.09 | n3lab | so can anybody help with ndivia drivers in sid? |
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| 20:54.26 | willmore | n3lab, I'm afraid I haven't used the nvidia drivers under debian. I would start with your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make sure the driver is getting invoked. next, I'd check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file for anything suspicious. |
| 20:54.44 | patrikf | !doesnt work |
| 20:54.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 20:55.24 | willmore | Accurate, but not friendly. |
| 20:55.26 | n3lab | patrikf: in logs it say that can't boot nvidia kernel |
| 20:55.39 | patrikf | n3lab: that was for chomwitt |
| 20:55.39 | n3lab | and in lenny all worked good |
| 20:55.47 | willmore | n3lab, in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 20:56.00 | n3lab | yap |
| 20:56.00 | abrotman | n3lab: how did you install your nvidia binary crap? |
| 20:56.01 | n3lab | mm |
| 20:56.06 | chomwitt | dasher doent respond to mouse events! |
| 20:56.07 | willmore | n3lab, can you 'modprobe nvidia'? |
| 20:56.12 | n3lab | i can't remember)) |
| 20:56.16 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 20:56.23 | n3lab | seems from repo |
| 20:56.25 | willmore | n3lab, could you *try* to? :) |
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| 20:56.48 | n3lab | wait |
| 20:56.50 | willmore | *laugh* Oh, that was for abrotman. :) |
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| 20:57.10 | blackdeagle | hi guys, I found out that I'm missing "phonon". Which package do I have to install to get phonon? |
| 20:57.22 | n3lab | modprobe nvidia? |
| 20:57.27 | n3lab | what do u mean? |
| 20:57.50 | abrotman | blackdeagle: in lenny? |
| 20:57.55 | willmore | n3lab, yeah, there's a kernel module called 'nvidia' that does a lot of the magic for the propriatary nvidia driver. Without it, the X driver will not work. |
| 20:57.55 | blackdeagle | abrotman: yes in lenny |
| 20:58.06 | abrotman | blackdeagle: oddly .. phonon |
| 20:58.06 | n3lab | i think i must upgrade drivers |
| 20:58.17 | willmore | n3lab, so, as root, you need to 'modprobe nvidia'. |
| 20:58.18 | blackdeagle | haha :D really??? why didn't I try that out :D :D |
| 20:58.21 | patrikf | chomwitt: settings, control, normal control |
| 20:58.27 | willmore | n3lab, quite possibly. |
| 20:58.38 | blackdeagle | omg thats embarassing :D thank you |
| 20:58.50 | willmore | n3lab, if you installed from a .deb, it's very likely to be kernel or Xorg version specific. (or both) |
| 20:59.06 | n3lab | mm |
| 20:59.10 | willmore | n3lab, if you installed from the nvidia 'shar', then you just need to rerun him. |
| 20:59.51 | n3lab | willmore: it says module nvidia not found o_O |
| 21:00.02 | abrotman | n3lab: did you recently update your kernel? |
| 21:00.07 | n3lab | yap |
| 21:00.14 | n3lab | now it's 30 |
| 21:00.15 | willmore | n3lab, then there is no nvidia module for the kernel you're running. |
| 21:00.29 | abrotman | !nvidia |
| 21:00.29 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 21:00.46 | blackdeagle | the thing is: Amarok won't work. They told me on #amarok that phonon was missing. I installed it but I still hear anything :( |
| 21:00.51 | n3lab | willmore: omg xD and what can i do? |
| 21:00.59 | blackdeagle | don't hear anything* |
| 21:01.04 | willmore | n3lab, I'd follow dpkg's advice. |
| 21:01.31 | n3lab | i allready have installed package / but for 26 |
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| 21:01.44 | willmore | Crud. It's nothing touching a log file in /var/log/. Who's touching my hard drive? Arggg... |
| 21:01.57 | willmore | n3lab, then update the package to the one for .30. :) |
| 21:02.04 | n3lab | mm |
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| 21:02.24 | n3lab | but i can't found package for 30 ( |
| 21:02.30 | n3lab | in repo |
| 21:02.30 | chuck | How do I install a desktop environment on debian? |
| 21:02.40 | blackdeagle | chuck: which one do you want to install? |
| 21:02.43 | chuck | can I just install gnome-desktop-environment, and will that pull in necessary requirements |
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| 21:02.51 | chuck | blackdeagle: preferrably xfce |
| 21:02.54 | willmore | n3lab, Did you go to the http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers site and see what it had to say? |
| 21:03.05 | chomwitt | patrikf: thanks a lot. |
| 21:03.14 | n3lab | i have no browser( |
| 21:03.15 | blackdeagle | well I'm new to debian and I installed KDE 4.3 with apt-get install kde :D it worked |
| 21:03.18 | n3lab | only console |
| 21:03.31 | n3lab | don't want download links |
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| 21:03.37 | mischief | blackdeagle, use aptitude |
| 21:03.39 | karme | willmore: pidstat -d might help |
| 21:03.47 | blackdeagle | whats the difference? |
| 21:03.49 | willmore | karme, I'll try it out... |
| 21:03.51 | mischief | does anyone know if a linux driver exists for the realtek RTL8185L wifi chipset exists? |
| 21:04.03 | mischief | !tell blackdeagle about aptitude |
| 21:04.09 | n3lab | so where are in repo nvidia drivers for sid? |
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| 21:04.34 | willmore | karme, off the top of your head, you wouldn't happen to know what package that's part of, would you? |
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| 21:05.10 | chomwitt | patrikf: check what i found: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=498169 . Is what i thought was a my problem. Maybe should the bug get closed? |
| 21:05.16 | karme | willmore: apt-file search pidstat |
| 21:05.24 | karme | willmore: sysstat afair |
| 21:05.41 | pingouin | is there a way to control/limit how much memory/cpu usage an application use ? |
| 21:05.45 | karme | willmore: another one (but be carefull and for example disable syslog before: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump) |
| 21:06.00 | willmore | karme, gotta install apt-file first. :) |
| 21:06.09 | n3lab | :( |
| 21:06.12 | patrikf | chomwitt: I think the default mode should be to grab the mouse, so I think the bug is legitimate |
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| 21:06.18 | n3lab | have anybody sid? |
| 21:06.24 | willmore | kerme, syslog sends to a network host, so that won't cause disc access. |
| 21:06.37 | mischief | n3lab, me. :D |
| 21:06.57 | karme | pingouin: ulimit |
| 21:07.00 | n3lab | and how u install nvidia drivers when u upgrade kernel to 30? |
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| 21:07.29 | pingouin | karme: thanks, i go to check that ! |
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| 21:07.35 | n3lab | slaps mischief |
| 21:07.37 | mischief | n3lab, i dunno |
| 21:07.40 | n3lab | o_O |
| 21:07.49 | chuck | is there an apt source picker utility? |
| 21:07.54 | chuck | easynews doesn't seem to be working for me |
| 21:07.57 | karme | pingouin: there are different methods depending on what you want exactly |
| 21:08.05 | karme | pingouin: see also nice and ionice |
| 21:08.20 | pingouin | ok, thanks |
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| 21:08.34 | chomwitt | patrikf: ok. i agree but since it sth fixable with a simple settign maybe its severity should change or a reply to explain the issue. |
| 21:08.40 | maddash | hello |
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| 21:09.33 | macrobat | chuck: aptitude install xfce4 to install a meta pkg or aptitude search xfce to look for pkgs you might want |
| 21:09.59 | willmore | karme, having network rsyslog for this is very handy. :) Thanks |
| 21:10.39 | willmore | now to wait.... |
| 21:10.52 | karme | willmore: :-) |
| 21:11.04 | chuck | anyone else having trouble with the easynews mirror? |
| 21:11.06 | willmore | Come on, come on, come on.... :) |
| 21:11.07 | chuck | it's not connecting for me |
| 21:12.17 | willmore | karme, extrapolating from what it had been doing, I just missed it while I was installing systat, etc. |
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| 21:13.07 | willmore | Ha, gotcha, you bastard! mpd did it. |
| 21:13.18 | willmore | Now, to find out why he's touching stuff..... |
| 21:13.20 | chuck | what source would you guys recommend for the midwest? |
| 21:13.29 | abrotman | a windmill |
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| 21:13.47 | abrotman | chuck: where in the midwest? |
| 21:13.49 | pickcoder | heh |
| 21:14.05 | chuck | minnesota |
| 21:14.05 | willmore | Hmm, how do you tell what file an inode is associated with in a filesystem? (ext3) |
| 21:14.36 | abrotman | chuck: your friends might be angry .. mirror.cs.wisc.edu |
| 21:14.58 | chuck | heh, okay, thanks |
| 21:15.09 | abrotman | or ftp.ndlug.nd.edu |
| 21:15.14 | willmore | karme, just a note: turn that block dump back off before working on the system again--unless you like a lot of syslog activity. :) |
| 21:15.25 | pickcoder | I always got decent dl rates from wisc |
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| 21:16.04 | chuck | 404 on lenny/main Packages? :S |
| 21:16.11 | chuck | 404 on lenny/main Packages? :S |
| 21:16.16 | chuck | what the heck |
| 21:16.26 | chuck | woops, irssi messed up for a sec there |
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| 21:17.38 | chuck | that's better |
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| 21:19.21 | karme | willmore: did you find the culprit? |
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| 21:19.58 | WeC | i'm not able to config the inet connection |
| 21:20.17 | WeC | i've installed leanny |
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| 21:20.39 | WeC | but ifconfig and route are not enough, it seems, to config router |
| 21:21.04 | willmore | karme, yes, mpd. it's idle, but it's touching something. I've got the inode. Any to trace that back to a file? |
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| 21:21.28 | WeC | that's all |
| 21:21.29 | WeC | :D |
| 21:21.31 | WeC | it runs! |
| 21:21.34 | karme | willmore: find can do that afair |
| 21:21.45 | karme | willmore: or you can look at the open files of mpd using lsof |
| 21:21.58 | willmore | kerme, *facepalm* |
| 21:23.02 | karme | willmore: mpd = Music Player Daemon ? |
| 21:23.03 | willmore | karme, ironically, it's not there. |
| 21:23.15 | willmore | karme, yes. |
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| 21:24.28 | adkins | does anyone have a clue about configuring and compiling a linux-kernel? I want to install an older kernel and patch rtai on it, but gettin errors at compilin the linux-kernel |
| 21:26.04 | willmore | karme, I think I know what's happening. It's dumping its state to the state file ever 300 sec. *but*, it doesn't keep the file open, so my lsof/diff trick didn't catch it. |
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| 21:26.55 | karme | willmore: but find -inum ? |
| 21:27.14 | karme | willmore: or strace |
| 21:27.51 | willmore | karme, no, the silly block log said the file name. :) I just didn't catch it until one of the mpd devs mentioned what it was doing. :) Then it was pretty darn clear. |
| 21:28.12 | karme | willmore: maybe report it as wishlist bug? "stop disk access during inactivity"? |
| 21:28.15 | willmore | It said: 2009-08-26T17:12:50.684406-04:00 t1 kernel: [87807.393625] mpd(2425): dirtied inode 31505 (state) on hda1 |
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| 21:28.34 | willmore | karme, he brought it up himself. :) |
| 21:28.34 | karme | willmore: ah, i see |
| 21:28.42 | martianixor | hi |
| 21:28.54 | karme | willmore: maybe i should take a look at mpd ... |
| 21:29.02 | willmore | karme, IMHO, the mpd devs are pretty helpful folk. |
| 21:29.19 | karme | willmore: i tried xmms2 once, but was not quite happy |
| 21:29.35 | willmore | karme, I would recommend everyone be *aware* of it. It doesn't fit everyones needs. |
| 21:29.41 | karme | willmore: now i still use some emms + different players hack :-( |
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| 21:30.07 | karme | willmore: good emacs / emms interface is a must |
| 21:30.18 | willmore | karme, mpd is designed to be a headless thing that just plays music. If you can connect to a network socket, you can tell it to do anything. |
| 21:30.36 | karme | willmore: => probably will work fine with emms |
| 21:30.51 | karme | updated his todo list |
| 21:30.51 | willmore | karme, sorry, vi here. :) I already have *one OS* on the machine already, thank you. :P |
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| 21:33.40 | martianixor | guys, my first real rootkit encounter that needs cleaning, any hints/help is greatly appreciated |
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| 21:34.29 | martianixor | It's just I don't like to go down the windwoes way of reinstallting, and It's not possible |
| 21:35.04 | martianixor | the machine has to stay up, there's no other way |
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| 21:35.44 | martianixor | I wonder who of you is still up |
| 21:36.03 | willmore | martianixor, I'd like to help, but the last suggestion I heard to someone with your problem started with "Get some black candles, some chalk, a sharp knife, and a live chicken...." |
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| 21:36.21 | billybigrigger | hey all |
| 21:36.56 | martianixor | willmore: yeah, It's *exactly* what I've heard the guys say today when they've found out about the rootkit |
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| 21:37.07 | rudi_s_ | martianixor: You can't securly remove a rootkit/breakin without reinstalling the system. |
| 21:37.18 | billybigrigger | i'm using the lenny live usb to try and chroot into a broken system on an ext4 system, lenny live doesn't support ext4, so i was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction? my flash disk is only ~60MB and it needs to be a 2.6.x kernel any suggestions? |
| 21:37.23 | martianixor | willmore: besides I wouldn't trust a system with altered binaries anymore |
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| 21:37.49 | karme | martianixor: keeping the system running is probably a bad idea |
| 21:38.04 | martianixor | I tend to save the cleaning time in improving a new installation, a forensics is of course needed though to know what the vulnerability was |
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| 21:38.23 | martianixor | karme: yes I agree, it's the worst |
| 21:38.31 | martianixor | rudi_s_: I agree |
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| 21:38.31 | karme | martianixor: first make a backup - and if you really have the time to inspect the disk ... |
| 21:38.37 | willmore | martianixor, I'm sorry I can't be of much more help. |
| 21:38.55 | martianixor | willmore: come on no need to be sorry :-) |
| 21:39.33 | willmore | That's what I did last time I thought I had a rootkit. Took out the HD, imaged it, nuked it, started from scratch. As Lt. Ripley said "Take off an nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure." |
| 21:39.39 | karme | martianixor: if you really have no choice but keep it running and you hope having good luck in the meantime - you could dump the disk via net to another machine |
| 21:39.49 | martianixor | guys I'm doing this not just to keep the system running temporarily, but also for the fun of it, cause it's my first real encounter |
| 21:39.53 | karme | martianixor: the inspect the image (compare to good versions ...) |
| 21:40.00 | karme | ~s/the/then |
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| 21:40.40 | martianixor | karme: It's remote so going to be hard and error prone to inspect the disk |
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| 21:41.10 | karme | martianixor: ? |
| 21:41.22 | martianixor | karme: It's a remotely managed machine |
| 21:41.25 | imduffy15 | Hi is there a way i can prioritize the usage of ipv4 over ipv6? |
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| 21:41.31 | sdousley|work | Hi All, I have a server running on RAID-10, and am currently swapping all the disks out for larger ones. Once this process is completed, is it going to be easy to extend my / partition to fill the rest of the space? |
| 21:41.35 | martianixor | karme: I can't travel over to it at the meantime |
| 21:41.59 | karme | martianixor: ah - i assumed you have a second one with a good connection to the first one |
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| 21:42.10 | martianixor | imduffy15: I think you need to check sysctl.conf ? |
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| 21:42.32 | hyperthing | will badgers try to hurt me if I ask about wireless sniffing here? |
| 21:42.35 | martianixor | karme: may be the guys over there can provide us with that |
| 21:42.48 | imduffy15 | martianixor, what specifically in sysctl.conf ? |
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| 21:43.43 | martianixor | karme: we'd still keep the system running temporarily till they provide us with the facility to backup reinstall then inspect the disk image |
| 21:44.03 | hyperthing | I'm using a wireless card with iwlwifi driver and in monitor mode. I only seem to pick up management frames. Is there a way to pick up data frames as well? |
| 21:44.16 | martianixor | karme: till may be someone travel overthere |
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| 21:44.50 | karme | martianixor: good luck :-) i still would prefer to shut it down |
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| 21:45.07 | martianixor | It was a horrible mistake by one of the guys leaving it without OS and applications security updates |
| 21:45.26 | karme | martianixor: and your evidence for the rootkit is? |
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| 21:45.48 | martianixor | karme: yes, I agree, no body would want his server become an attack platform |
| 21:45.54 | willmore | hyperthing, you'd probably be better off in a wireless networking specific channel. |
| 21:46.06 | martianixor | karme: romanian, showtee |
| 21:46.15 | hyperthing | willmore: yes I got the hint haha, already have it open on another window |
| 21:46.46 | martianixor | imduffy15: sorry well you might need to check ... 1 min |
| 21:46.53 | willmore | hyperthing, hey, just suggesting you go where the expertise is. Nothing more. All polite people are welcome here, etc. |
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| 21:47.44 | hyperthing | willmore: I've had good results coming here, that's why I tried here first |
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| 21:47.51 | karme | martianixor: i also would be worried about by data |
| 21:47.57 | karme | ~s/by/my |
| 21:48.06 | martianixor | karme: yes :-/ |
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| 21:50.01 | martianixor | karme: there's that strange thing I've found, that netstat --inet gave |
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| 21:50.59 | martianixor | tcp 0 8885 x.x.x.x:47289 x.x.x.x:80 LAST_ACK |
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| 21:51.56 | martianixor | karme: someone told me It's the same when a browser is running, but found no browser "including cli-based" |
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| 21:52.47 | martianixor | karme: also things like this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/tcp-treason-uncloaked-127984/ |
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| 21:53.41 | Titan8990 | martianixor, apt downloads packages via http |
| 21:53.44 | martianixor | imduffy15: I'm trying to remember the line |
| 21:53.54 | imduffy15 | ok martianixor |
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| 21:55.02 | martianixor | Titan8990: yeah but that line in particular is there for like 3 days now |
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| 21:55.40 | martianixor | Titan8990: something is maintaining that backwards connection, it's the best way I can describe it at the moment |
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| 21:56.40 | Titan8990 | martianixor, i think it would say "established" if it were left open |
| 21:56.42 | martianixor | anyone knows what's creating a directroy called /dev/scan/ ? |
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| 21:57.02 | Titan8990 | martianixor, i think with that you probably send a FIN, ACK and the server just didn't reply with an ACK |
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| 21:57.51 | martianixor | Titan8990: yes something is trying to connect back to the source from the server, that's my very humble opinion |
| 21:58.49 | martianixor | Titan8990: remember netstat isn't trusted as well |
| 21:59.24 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 21:59.56 | martianixor | TrueDD: Good night |
| 22:00.00 | ib_ | i have installed dict-freedict-fra-eng package, but i don't know how to use it... anyone can help? |
| 22:00.06 | TrueDD | good night martianixor |
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| 22:02.49 | ib_ | i have installed dict-freedict-fra-eng package, but i don't know how to use it... anyone can help? |
| 22:03.10 | karme | martianixor: titan8990 is right - there is nothing wrong with a LAST_ACK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Control_Protocol) |
| 22:03.44 | karme | martianixor: you might wish to take a look at the timers |
| 22:03.53 | karme | martianixor: what does /sbin/ss -open say? |
| 22:05.31 | martianixor | karme: I think ss has been altered but let me try |
| 22:05.41 | \amethyst | ib_: dict -d fra-eng pouvoir though I notice it gives me "beableto" instead of "be able to" |
| 22:06.05 | martianixor | karme: and that is because of that /dev/scan/ directory under which I've found ss |
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| 22:07.29 | \amethyst | ib_: you'll also need dictd so that 'dict' has a server to connect to |
| 22:08.27 | karme | martianixor: the main point is: you made sure you really have a rootkit |
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| 22:08.49 | martianixor | karme: yes |
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| 22:09.16 | martianixor | karme: and the problem with that LAST_ACK is that it's there for longer than necessarily |
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| 22:10.16 | martianixor | karme: do you know something called mafix ? |
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| 22:10.29 | ib_ | \amethyst, merci beacoup :) |
| 22:10.50 | martianixor | karme: that seems to be written "maf!x" |
| 22:11.16 | martianixor | karme: /usr/lib/libsh does that sound familiar? |
| 22:11.17 | \amethyst | ib_: oh, sorry, it's fd-fra-eng, not plain fra-eng |
| 22:11.23 | enouf | no |
| 22:11.43 | digilink | hey guys Im trimming my startup services on a debian lenny box that Im using as a firewall, if I disable atd will it break cron? |
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| 22:11.54 | enouf | yes |
| 22:12.02 | rorro | linux 7 rules, debian sux a l0t |
| 22:12.04 | ib_ | \amethyst: ok. i am going to try it now. |
| 22:12.09 | \amethyst | ib_: and my "beableto" problem was apparently with a remote dictionary server (my own was misconfigured; if you hadn't asked, I probably wouldn't have discovered it; so thanks) |
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| 22:12.29 | digilink | enouf: tnx the man pages suggested that might be the case but wasnt sure |
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| 22:13.33 | enouf | digilink: leave anything to do with system timing and execution alone ;-) |
| 22:13.45 | digilink | enouf: good advice! lol |
| 22:14.08 | martianixor | karme: by the way I got no such file or directory for /sbin/ss -open |
| 22:14.12 | digilink | some of this stuff is obvious (like exim for example) but some not so obvious :) |
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| 22:14.21 | enouf | digilink: i use rcconf,fwiw |
| 22:14.32 | digilink | nods just installed it |
| 22:14.38 | digilink | nice tool |
| 22:14.42 | enouf | yes |
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| 22:15.48 | karme | martianixor: i am no rootkit expert - no :-) |
| 22:16.12 | karme | martianixor: /sbin/ss is in the iproute package |
| 22:16.48 | ib_ | \amethyst, but i just don't know how to start the server... |
| 22:16.54 | enouf | digilink: a large MTA like exim4 is NOT requires, however, you better know how to replace it with something like 'ssmtp' or similar, or .. just disable it, like i do |
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| 22:17.27 | digilink | enouf: no need for a mail server on this box :) |
| 22:17.35 | enouf | ib_: press the ON button |
| 22:18.06 | martianixor | karme: It's not there |
| 22:18.07 | enouf | digilink: system meesages are vital |
| 22:18.12 | martianixor | karme: according to dpkg -l |
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| 22:18.44 | Titan8990 | enouf, for servers, desktops can do w/o |
| 22:18.47 | \amethyst | ib_: aptitude install dict dictd dictd should start once you install the dictd package |
| 22:19.04 | digilink | enouf: does exim handle internal mail? I was under the impression that it was an SMTP server? |
| 22:19.07 | \amethyst | ib_: then you can test with dict -h localhost -D -v to get a list of available dictionaries |
| 22:19.09 | ib_ | enouf, you are joking or what? |
| 22:19.13 | Titan8990 | enouf, i can't remember i time that i set a cron job on a desktop machine and didn't direct output to /dev/null |
| 22:19.29 | ib_ | \amethyst, ok. going to try... |
| 22:19.29 | \amethyst | ib_: if that works, you can just do dict word or dict -d fd-fra-eng word |
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| 22:19.37 | \amethyst | ib_: and, yes, enouf was joking |
| 22:19.57 | martianixor | karme: now as I got it, /sbin/ss -open is giving me the same line as well as my connection to the server |
| 22:19.58 | ib_ | \amethyst, strange sense of humor to where i come from... |
| 22:20.27 | martianixor | karme timer:(persist,32sec,0) ino:0 sk:f4758940 |
| 22:20.28 | imduffy15 | martianixor, any ideas about that sysctl command? |
| 22:20.38 | \amethyst | ib_: I think he read "server" as "computer", not "daemon" |
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| 22:21.30 | martianixor | imduffy15: sorry I couldn't remember, but it's not a command it's a one liner you use in sysctl.conf |
| 22:21.36 | martianixor | imduffy15: as far as I remember |
| 22:21.47 | imduffy15 | Ok i'll keep googling |
| 22:21.51 | imduffy15 | apt-get is slow lol |
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| 22:22.15 | ib_ | \amethyst, ok, thnx it works. |
| 22:22.56 | enouf | what? |
| 22:23.41 | martianixor | karme: I greatly appreciate your help, it's giving me an insight and reminding me of many things |
| 22:23.43 | Chubbz | I've been having problems with apt-get, I'm trying to do an upgrade, but when It tries to download some of the new packages I get a 404 error. |
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| 22:24.02 | \amethyst | ib_: you can now access these dictionaries not just from this computer, but from other ones as well |
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| 22:25.09 | karme | martianixor: i guess i wasn't of much help - but you are welcome |
| 22:25.32 | \amethyst | ib_: on the client computers, you just need to install dict then either use dict -h <dictd computer's hostname or IP> or set it as the first server in /etc/dictd/dict.conf |
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| 22:26.22 | \amethyst | ib_: you might want to look at /etc/dictd/dictd.conf and `man dictd` if you want to restrict it to just localhost or just the local interface |
| 22:26.35 | \amethyst | ib_: it uses port 2628 |
| 22:26.45 | LnxSlck | is it possible to extend the monitor desktop to an external monitor? |
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| 22:27.14 | Chubbz | here's my sources.list http://pastebin.com/m4d1035dc |
| 22:27.18 | karme | LnxSlck: yes |
| 22:27.23 | ib_ | \amethyst, ok. i now quite understand how it works. thought it was an ordinary app. ok. thnx |
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| 22:27.29 | daishadar | i have some devices showing up in lsusb that are *not* connected to my laptop, and are preventing suspend. is there any way to let the OS know that they are disconnected? |
| 22:27.43 | LnxSlck | karme, how? i'm running latest xorg and have an intel graphic card |
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| 22:28.08 | karme | LnxSlck: xrandr --auto |
| 22:28.27 | LnxSlck | karme, nothing |
| 22:28.48 | karme | LnxSlck: maybe try grandr |
| 22:29.41 | karme | LnxSlck: does xrandr list the external monitor? |
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| 22:30.33 | LnxSlck | karme, yes it does |
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| 22:30.53 | karme | LnxSlck: then grandr should be easier than xrandr |
| 22:31.26 | LnxSlck | karme, well what do to in grandr? check auto in both monitors? |
| 22:31.45 | imduffy15 | Do i have to run anything after i make changes to /etc/gai.conf to get them applied? |
| 22:31.49 | LnxSlck | karme, oh.. the clone option is greyed out :( |
| 22:32.36 | karme | LnxSlck: don't know your grandr version - but first you enable the outputs in "basic" |
| 22:33.13 | karme | LnxSlck: i don't have a external monitor reachable at the moment |
| 22:33.24 | LnxSlck | karme, they are enabled.. |
| 22:33.58 | karme | LnxSlck: maybe start with a low res / freq mode on the external monitor (if nothing is displayed) |
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| 22:35.28 | willmore | digilink, still looking for what you can cut out and leave a FW? |
| 22:35.37 | lafrance | ok got an error after installation no network devices have been found ? |
| 22:35.46 | LnxSlck | karme, nothingt |
| 22:36.24 | karme | LnxSlck: maybe "latest" is broken? |
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| 22:36.52 | LnxSlck | karme, don't know |
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| 22:37.07 | karme | LnxSlck: what do you mean with "latest"? |
| 22:37.10 | LnxSlck | karme, grandr 1.2 |
| 22:37.29 | karme | LnxSlck: "latest xorg" |
| 22:37.33 | karme | LnxSlck: lenny? |
| 22:37.45 | gravity | notes that grandr is crap |
| 22:37.56 | LnxSlck | karme, yes |
| 22:38.12 | karme | LnxSlck: which intel graphics chip? |
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| 22:38.42 | LnxSlck | karme, Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
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| 22:39.38 | karme | fetches a crt |
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| 22:39.59 | LnxSlck | karme, i can do the same with xrandr |
| 22:40.16 | LnxSlck | karme, i just need to know witch options to enable.. i'm checking google for that |
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| 22:40.53 | karme | LnxSlck: i have the same intel chip and for me xrandr --auto works |
| 22:41.03 | LnxSlck | not for me :( |
| 22:41.28 | LnxSlck | i get clone image |
| 22:41.30 | LnxSlck | not extend |
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| 22:41.53 | gravity | LnxSlck: Have you added the Virtual line to your xorg.conf? |
| 22:42.03 | LnxSlck | gravity, no.. |
| 22:42.11 | gravity | LnxSlck: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 22:42.12 | LnxSlck | gravity, witch line is that? |
| 22:43.38 | karme | LnxSlck: if you use grandr you will get a message if your screen size is too big |
| 22:43.49 | LnxSlck | karme, yes. like this one: xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1680x1680 (desired size 2960x1050) |
| 22:43.51 | karme | LnxSlck: then you will have to set a bigger virtual size |
| 22:44.05 | karme | LnxSlck: you got that error and did not mention it? |
| 22:44.17 | LnxSlck | karme, just now i got that error |
| 22:44.40 | karme | LnxSlck: 2960 is not possible with that chip |
| 22:44.49 | karme | LnxSlck: limit was 2560 afair |
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| 22:45.42 | karme | LnxSlck: and dri only up to 2048 |
| 22:45.55 | willmore | Oh, FWIW (and for the logs). I solved my issue from last night of not being able to get X to do any resolution greater than 1280x1024 on my 2048x1152 monitor. |
| 22:45.57 | LnxSlck | k |
| 22:45.59 | karme | LnxSlck: i could be wrong with those |
| 22:46.29 | willmore | The trick was to turn off using the video BIOS to set modes. Good old VESA in the BIOS wasn't expecting so many pixels, so it refused to set such a large mode. |
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| 22:47.07 | karme | LnxSlck: i once added "Virtual 2048 2048" to my screen section subsection display in the xorg.conf |
| 22:47.17 | willmore | With that disabled, *poof*, beautiful 2048x1152 display. I never thought such an old/small machine would be able to drive that display at full resolution and look good doing it. |
| 22:47.26 | LnxSlck | karme, how is your virtual line now? |
| 22:47.28 | willmore | Of course, it can only seem to do 16bit color. |
| 22:47.38 | karme | LnxSlck: see above |
| 22:47.40 | willmore | I'm still messing with getting it to do 24 bit color. |
| 22:48.14 | karme | LnxSlck: (but i don't use it at the moment) |
| 22:48.32 | LnxSlck | karme, after setting up that line does X needs to be restarted? |
| 22:48.49 | karme | LnxSlck: yes |
| 22:48.52 | LnxSlck | k |
| 22:48.54 | LnxSlck | thanks then |
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| 22:50.40 | dbbolton | i can't log in to even a failsafe session from kdm. my .xsession-errors file says: /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsession: line46: /etc/X11/Xsession: no such file or directory |
| 22:51.28 | dbbolton | i reinstalled xorg, but i'm still getting the same problem |
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| 22:52.28 | unop | dbbolton, is x11-common installed? |
| 22:52.50 | dbbolton | unop yes |
| 22:53.14 | martianixor | karme: I think I found one of the exploits applied http://tinyurl.com/mtrrt5 |
| 22:53.45 | martianixor | karme: and yes the kernel running on the affected system is the same version as mentioned in the article |
| 22:53.46 | unop | dbbolton, does the file /etc/X11/Xsession exist? have you verified with ls? |
| 22:53.56 | dbbolton | unop it doesnt exit |
| 22:54.06 | dbbolton | there is Xsession.d but no Xsession |
| 22:54.13 | unop | dbbolton, ok, I would run this then. aptitude reinstall x11-common |
| 22:54.33 | Tramp | .... confmiss .... ? |
| 22:54.42 | martianixor | karme: It's not an assumption, just a thought |
| 22:54.45 | dbbolton | unop i just did, and Xsession still isnt there |
| 22:55.17 | unop | Tramp, good point. |
| 22:55.23 | unop | !confmiss |
| 22:55.23 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 22:55.48 | unop | dbbolton, try the aptitude command that dpkg just mentioned. |
| 22:55.49 | Tramp | dbbolton: that was for you |
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| 22:57.59 | dbbolton | thanks |
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| 23:00.36 | dbbolton | i'm also having trouble installing fglrx on squeeze. i tried doing it using m-a, and it came back with a bunch of make errors. then i tried using the ati installer, and it went all the way through without giving any errors, but when i tried to modprobe fglrx it didn't exist |
| 23:01.04 | dbbolton | i think part of the problem is that it's a 64 bit system |
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| 23:02.54 | martianixor | karme: and I remember finding a tool on the victim machine carrying the same name of the tool's author mentioned in the article |
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| 23:03.34 | Cr`eme | Hello |
| 23:03.55 | Cr`eme | I got a shell that is debian and I was wondering what I could use to see all of the programs installed on my shell, |
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| 23:04.17 | Cr`eme | I use apropos but that doesnt show all of the programs |
| 23:04.19 | beardy | Cr`eme: Press TAB twice. |
| 23:04.22 | Cr`eme | ok |
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| 23:04.52 | Cr`eme | I could use dpkg -l |
| 23:04.53 | Cr`eme | too |
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| 23:13.39 | dbbolton | here is my module assistant log: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=44554#p252998 |
| 23:13.47 | dbbolton | why isn't it building? |
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| 23:28.08 | willmore | quick question: Is there a quick way to list all installed packages on a system? Sort of like "rpm -qa"? |
| 23:28.39 | ltl | willmore: dpkg -l |
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| 23:28.58 | dvs | willmore: dpkg --get-selection |
| 23:29.43 | willmore | ltl, that looks good, a bit complex... |
| 23:29.48 | willmore | dvs, unknown option. |
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| 23:30.09 | dvs | willmore: dpkg --get-selections |
| 23:30.51 | willmore | dvs, those pesky plurals. Thanks. I'll filter that for only stuff marked installed. Thanks, folks! |
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| 23:33.45 | willmore | What does state 'deinstall' mean? |
| 23:34.33 | beardy | willmore: It means it is not installed. |
| 23:34.40 | willmore | beardy, but once was? |
| 23:35.36 | beardy | willmore: That is not included in that information. Just that it is not installed now, in the "deinstall"(ed) state. |
| 23:36.03 | willmore | beardy, out of curiousity, is it useful to remember such things? |
| 23:36.34 | beardy | willmore: You can only see if it has been installed before in the logs, or if there are config files left (if it was uninstalled, and not purged, purging a package removes config files too). |
| 23:36.55 | beardy | willmore: Not for the package system. But if it is for you, take notes of what you install and when :) |
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| 23:37.27 | willmore | beardy, cool. Okay. That's what I was thinking. If I want to know, I can make note of it, why would dpkg need to remember such things. |
| 23:38.52 | beardy | willmore: Badly packaged packages can of course leave other traces, like users or groups on the system, but it's not common. |
| 23:39.18 | willmore | beardy, good point. |
| 23:39.33 | karme | well the user thingy is not that easy |
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| 23:41.14 | GhostlyDeath | Woo, Linux survived 2038! |
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| 23:42.05 | dvs | GhostlyDeath: Can I borrow your time machine? ;-) |
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| 23:42.45 | GhostlyDeath | dvs: It's bugged, it took me back to 1901 on the 13th which is friday |
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| 23:43.32 | GhostlyDeath | Time to place bets people |
| 23:43.41 | GhostlyDeath | Will Windows 98 survive 2038? |
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| 23:44.45 | adb_ | GhostlyDeath: start `38 war for now , anyways is offtopic |
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| 23:49.12 | opti | can someone tell me what package or script keeps changing the order of things in /etc/rc2.d ? |
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| 23:54.42 | epsas | win 4 |
| 23:54.56 | hesco | where is source documented? |
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| 23:56.25 | Gratz474 | how can i see what processor i am uisng? |
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| 23:57.06 | hesco | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:57.09 | dvs | Gratz474: Open the case? |
| 23:57.11 | dvs | ;-) |
| 23:57.28 | hesco | if you want to do it the hard way |
| 23:57.57 | hesco | ~paste |
| 23:57.57 | apt | [paste] http://rafb.net/paste/, or see also pb, or http://bin.cakephp.org/ |
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