| 00:00.31 | MikeH | abrotman: nope, the only thing network related, is in dmesg, complaining about no ipv6 autoconf routers |
| 00:01.18 | oh_noes | abrotman: thank you. |
| 00:01.23 | abrotman | MikeH: put all of /var/log/dmesg in a pastebin |
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| 00:02.26 | MikeH | abrotman: http://a.vxr.in/dmesg.txt |
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| 00:04.36 | atreyu | Hi. Can anybody recommend a tool for copying files that shows progress like wget does? thanks |
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| 00:06.44 | mr_machina | atreyu: you can use rsync locally with the --progress flag. |
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| 00:07.10 | botto | how do I specify module options at when loading at boot time? |
| 00:07.46 | atreyu | mr_machina: thx |
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| 00:09.50 | fish_ | abrotman: he also mentioned that the fix is in the release, so if thats true, 2.0.35 and 2.0.36rc1 should be clean.. so the claim is that debian backported the bug.. uhm.. strange ;) |
| 00:10.04 | abrotman | fish_: that's what i mean |
| 00:10.35 | abrotman | MikeH: maybe comment out the 'auto eth0' and 'auto eth0:1' |
| 00:10.50 | fish_ | i guess i'll try the vanila gd tomorrow and see if that issue happens there too |
| 00:11.20 | abrotman | would rather check the code |
| 00:12.27 | fish_ | well, ok, if someone will help me to find the related code section. but now i have to go to bed ;) |
| 00:13.12 | fish_ | 02:12am for me, crap, i planed to get in bed early today |
| 00:13.47 | abrotman | it's early? :) |
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| 00:14.02 | abrotman | fish_: you'd do better to ask the libgd guys where the fix is .. then check debian |
| 00:14.07 | abrotman | would think anyways |
| 00:14.24 | fish_ | yep, i'll try that |
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| 00:14.37 | datacrusher | hi everyone. Iv just updated my etch to lenny, changing the sources.lst to lenny, and apt-get update, upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 00:15.09 | datacrusher | now that iv rebooted, gnome crashes, got no icons, among other problens.. should i do another kind of update i missed? |
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| 00:15.32 | TempNick | apt-get told me packages couldn't be verified, how do i fix that quick n dirty, i am sure i am not mitm'd or something... |
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| 00:17.00 | k]t | is there a way to select a current audio device? |
| 00:17.28 | k]t | in alsa specifically.... |
| 00:17.46 | MikeH | abrotman: I think I know the issue, it seems reboot is only dropping into runlevel 1, then back up again |
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| 00:18.22 | abrotman | uh .. why is that ? |
| 00:18.59 | MikeH | no idea |
| 00:19.06 | MikeH | I've never rebooted this machine before |
| 00:19.11 | MikeH | but that said, it still isn't working |
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| 00:19.38 | MikeH | I give up, it isn't massively important, it is only there for samba shares over the network, the device is still accessible, and is very rarely rebooted |
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| 00:28.21 | nsadmin | MikeH: can you verify that? |
| 00:28.55 | nsadmin | by, for example, identifying all the scripts that are run when a reboot happens |
| 00:30.01 | nsadmin | and then identifying the exact point where the reboot on your system causes the machine to warm-start |
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| 00:35.14 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:37.55 | johnakabean | I"m new to Debian; I moved from Centos Distro for their broken perl. Anyway, how do you stop the iptables firewall or whatever is blocking my shell login? |
| 00:38.52 | abrotman | johnakabean: you configure iptables to allow port 22 |
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| 00:39.04 | johnakabean | i need it turned OFF |
| 00:39.13 | syslq78 | johnakabean, just flush it then |
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| 00:39.30 | syslq78 | johnakabean, as root |
| 00:39.38 | johnakabean | I know how to flush it |
| 00:39.51 | johnakabean | but on centos when I flushed it, it would block all incoming access |
| 00:40.00 | syslq78 | man iptables or just reboot the damn thing |
| 00:40.22 | johnakabean | I know about iptables |
| 00:40.29 | johnakabean | iptables --flush |
| 00:40.32 | johnakabean | connection refused |
| 00:40.34 | johnakabean | STILL |
| 00:40.34 | datacrusher | hi everyone, i just updated from etch to lenny, but i got a problem with apt-get upgrade. i always got this error at the end, even if i use -f on upgrade: /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_2%3a3.2.5-4lenny6_amd64.deb ..... returned an error code (') |
| 00:40.40 | datacrusher | sorry, erryr code (1) |
| 00:41.17 | datacrusher | my samba server file isnt working... my gnome got updated, but samba is broken.. how do i update it without losing my confgs? iv backed up smb.conf |
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| 00:42.50 | johnakabean | are you telling me iptables is not a service of debian but built into the kerneL? |
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| 00:45.05 | simonrvn | johnakabean: the main user interface is through the userspace 'iptables', which calls the kernel to do stuff, with the loaded modules |
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| 00:46.25 | johnakabean | i'm just simply trying to login via the network to SSH on the newly install debian distro which has no xserver |
| 00:46.35 | johnakabean | i try and it says connection refused |
| 00:46.46 | simonrvn | !connection refused |
| 00:46.46 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 00:47.01 | johnakabean | i tried iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 23 -j allow |
| 00:47.02 | markybob | johnakabean, you probably didnt install openssh-server |
| 00:47.08 | markybob | johnakabean, it's not installed by default |
| 00:47.12 | johnakabean | oh ok |
| 00:47.15 | johnakabean | thank you bob |
| 00:47.32 | simonrvn | bob? |
| 00:47.35 | markybob | alright, bean |
| 00:47.48 | simonrvn | erm, usual port for ssh is 22 |
| 00:48.00 | Z_Man | start it once installed |
| 00:48.14 | simonrvn | it should anyway.. |
| 00:48.15 | Z_Man | 23 is default for telnet |
| 00:48.20 | markybob | Z_Man, it starts itself |
| 00:48.27 | Z_Man | true thats debian |
| 00:48.34 | markybob | yes, this is #debian |
| 00:48.40 | Z_Man | i mostlt use arch |
| 00:48.42 | simonrvn | telnet != ssh |
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| 00:49.21 | simonrvn | oh nm, misunderstood |
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| 00:49.26 | johnakabean | apt-get install openssh-server........installed a few dependencies and its started......now to try it |
| 00:49.55 | johnakabean | thanks bob |
| 00:50.06 | johnakabean | i always thought most distros came with openssh by default |
| 00:50.11 | simonrvn | bob? |
| 00:50.26 | abrotman | markybob ? |
| 00:50.45 | markybob | my real name is marcos :P i dont often get called bob |
| 00:50.50 | simonrvn | some stuff you install yourself ;). debian "base install" really is basic. |
| 00:51.43 | johnakabean | i choose the shortest name to type |
| 00:51.45 | johnakabean | :) |
| 00:51.56 | markybob | johnakabean, you should learn about tab |
| 00:52.16 | johnakabean | now to restore backups and setup services.......but.......how do you start and stop services in debian; i'm use to "service blah start" |
| 00:52.25 | simonrvn | try <tab> next time ;) |
| 00:52.29 | johnakabean | or are we only able to use /etc/init.d/blah start |
| 00:52.30 | markybob | !update-rc.d |
| 00:52.30 | dpkg | update-rc.d is, like, used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. This is NOT a tool users should invoke directly (see man page); ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf> or <bum> instead. |
| 00:52.35 | simonrvn | invoke-rc.d |
| 00:52.48 | simonrvn | or the init script directly |
| 00:53.55 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 00:55.26 | johnakabean | yay wget is included lol |
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| 00:58.33 | johnakabean | webmin works with debian right? |
| 00:58.40 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 00:58.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 00:58.43 | markybob | ugh |
| 00:58.51 | markybob | webmin sucks. stay away |
| 00:59.06 | johnakabean | dpkg, I only allow access to webmin through the internal network |
| 00:59.07 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, johnakabean |
| 00:59.16 | johnakabean | or abrot |
| 00:59.36 | markybob | that doesnt make it suck less |
| 00:59.45 | johnakabean | no but it makes it secure |
| 00:59.46 | johnakabean | lol |
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| 01:00.02 | johnakabean | I would rather use it for configuring bind that manually |
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| 01:01.12 | johnakabean | I need to disable SElinux.......any quick way? |
| 01:01.44 | markybob | install windows |
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| 01:04.11 | abrotman | it's not enabled by default |
| 01:04.44 | bbelt16ag1 | hi peeps |
| 01:04.56 | bbelt16ag1 | is this sufficent for my server hardening needs? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch1.en.html |
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| 01:08.21 | NeoLobster | I'm trying to install debian on a poweredge 710. It's complaining about the bnx2-09-4.0.5.fw file being missing. Can I put the file on a floppy disk in the root directory and try to load from removable media? Or do I have to put it in a certain folder structure? |
| 01:09.31 | markybob | you have a poweredge r710 with a floppy drive? |
| 01:09.46 | NeoLobster | no markybob |
| 01:09.51 | NeoLobster | 'but it has a drac... I can mount a floppy image |
| 01:09.59 | johnakabean | you have a floppy drive.....PERIOD.......that you actually use :) |
| 01:10.06 | johnakabean | who uses floppied? |
| 01:10.09 | johnakabean | floppies |
| 01:10.21 | NeoLobster | I just need to know if it goes into a certain folder structure or if putting the .fw file on the image is enough. |
| 01:10.39 | NeoLobster | I guess I'll just try it since everyone's hung up on the floppy |
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| 01:12.36 | adb | !installer firmware |
| 01:12.36 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
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| 01:13.56 | Mordbrann | hmm... something is borked, certain processes are taking forever |
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| 01:27.07 | bbelt16ag1 | hey peeps got a security quesations, |
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| 01:28.25 | bbelt16ag1 | i need to open up some ports on my router and it wont let me, i can however dmz my server and do it that way. is better/worse to firewall the ports on one nic and open up only the ones i need and let the other nic less secure and used for lan and the other for dmz or should i just go in to each service and make it use one nic or the other? |
| 01:28.49 | abrotman | and your router runs debian ? |
| 01:29.12 | bbelt16ag1 | no |
| 01:29.19 | |Jason8| | lol |
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| 01:29.47 | bbelt16ag1 | its a stupid cheap router that dosnt let me forward ports. |
| 01:29.58 | bbelt16ag1 | so which way should i do it? |
| 01:30.27 | abrotman | would fix the router |
| 01:31.02 | bbelt16ag1 | yeah well in a perfect world i would do that but its not working |
| 01:31.02 | markybob | i would leave #debian and join #routers |
| 01:31.13 | markybob | ...and be alone forever more |
| 01:31.17 | bbelt16ag1 | its a tplink |
| 01:31.23 | markybob | bbelt16ag1, we dont care |
| 01:31.37 | bbelt16ag1 | i was asking a debian question |
| 01:32.02 | Tramp | bbelt16ag1: you should do both. That's called "security in depth". Bind services only to the required IPs (if possible) and /additionally/ firewall. |
| 01:32.02 | bbelt16ag1 | its a debian server. |
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| 01:32.17 | bbelt16ag1 | thanks tramp |
| 01:32.35 | nsadmin | bbelt16ag1: you're saying your router is a debian box? |
| 01:32.48 | bbelt16ag1 | god no its not my server that i am dmzing is |
| 01:32.57 | nsadmin | (and that it's running services) |
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| 01:33.12 | bbelt16ag1 | smacks face with a large trout |
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| 01:33.38 | markybob | bbelt16ag1, good. while you're at it. /leave #debian |
| 01:33.45 | nsadmin | HEY! stop smacking markybob's face! |
| 01:34.03 | bbelt16ag1 | it wasnt me! |
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| 01:34.38 | nsadmin | looks at markybob... hmm, large trout marks... |
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| 01:35.35 | Tramp | markybob: there is no #routers. There is, however, ##security. Pointing him there would have been a helpful remark. |
| 01:36.13 | bbelt16ag1 | btw i did ask in #networking if that counts |
| 01:36.22 | markybob | Tramp, i assumed that my "alone" remark made it clear that i was bs...but i didnt account for idiots with no humor |
| 01:36.35 | nsadmin | there's also #wireless and #networking |
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| 01:37.03 | bbelt16ag1 | well anyways i am going so bye have work |
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| 01:37.23 | nsadmin | hey... he's talkin bad about idiots... |
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| 01:38.12 | Wyzard | It looked to me like bbelt16ag1 was asking about port forwarding on a Debian machine, not port forwarding on his router |
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| 01:40.03 | _budo | occasionally whenever after i run 'startx' from the console X windows does not come up |
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| 01:40.13 | _budo | it stalls |
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| 01:41.40 | _budo | you know what i mean |
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| 01:42.13 | _budo | occasionally meaning sometimes meaning not all the time |
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| 01:42.33 | _budo | sometimes it does not stall and sometimes it does |
| 01:42.58 | nsadmin | tries to combine that with "whenever" |
| 01:43.26 | GhostlyDeath | Sometimes |
| 01:43.26 | _budo | smh. any humans in here? |
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| 01:48.30 | GhostlyDeath | _budo: Vulcans are here |
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| 01:56.34 | missyjane | hello |
| 01:56.51 | jaggz- | I can print from this computer, and from my other computer -- but I've never been able to get it to work over the network |
| 01:56.59 | jaggz- | for years now |
| 01:57.10 | jaggz- | every day, for years I've been trying |
| 01:57.36 | jaggz- | can I do a usb <--> tcp <--> usb tunnel? :) |
| 01:58.14 | Led_Zeppelin | i am trying to work with mkfifo and rsync. Basically, I want to throttle how much data I can put into my named pipe. so I did a mkfifo file; rsync --bwlimit=1000 src file; but thils is being generated. Any thoughts? |
| 01:58.34 | jaggz- | but what? |
| 01:59.14 | Led_Zeppelin | jaggz-, well, the file is not supposed to be generated, because I want the output to goto a pipe. |
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| 02:00.00 | jaggz- | so it's overwriting the file? |
| 02:00.39 | Led_Zeppelin | jaggz-, I guess. Because I want to use awk against the target file. I don't want to take up all of my network bandwidth |
| 02:00.54 | jaggz- | have you looked into rsync's handling of fifos? It kinda goes against some of its use of comparing for file differences |
| 02:01.10 | Led_Zeppelin | hehe yah |
| 02:01.19 | nsadmin | missyjane: pink lemonade jello |
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| 02:01.35 | jaggz- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.41 | jaggz- | wonder if that affects the dest too |
| 02:01.46 | xerophyte | what perldoc topic will give me all the file test? |
| 02:02.00 | jaggz- | perlop maybe |
| 02:02.04 | jaggz- | man perlop |
| 02:02.05 | Led_Zeppelin | jaggz-, nice. Let me try that |
| 02:02.07 | nsadmin | is it a func or an op |
| 02:02.16 | missyjane | nsadmin, mmmm |
| 02:02.24 | jaggz- | oh.. maybe man perlfunc.. actually, join #perl here or on efnet :) |
| 02:02.40 | jaggz- | perldoc -f -f |
| 02:02.44 | nsadmin | missyjane: hey! those are mine! |
| 02:03.04 | nsadmin | don't go drooling around my jello! |
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| 02:03.15 | missyjane | :( |
| 02:03.59 | nsadmin | now just why do you deserve a jello?? |
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| 02:04.15 | Akuw | hi |
| 02:04.39 | Akuw | abrotman: i have a problem and nobody have answer still |
| 02:04.43 | missyjane | because i may just... switch to debian |
| 02:04.46 | abrotman | uh .. why are you asking me? |
| 02:04.54 | _budo | wow, you been trying to network everyday for years ? |
| 02:04.59 | Akuw | the video never start http://www.joomlaholic.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=3 |
| 02:05.17 | Akuw | the problem should be a plugin |
| 02:05.19 | nsadmin | oh, I get it... you want to hang out and ask me questions... well that's not enough sister! |
| 02:05.30 | Led_Zeppelin | jaggz-, eh, no luck. I am not a pro at fifos :-) |
| 02:06.29 | nsadmin | fifoprofomofo? |
| 02:06.32 | missyjane | but im not sure how debian works at all |
| 02:06.54 | abrotman | Akuw: it's flash .. so what ? |
| 02:07.05 | nsadmin | debian works like a really strong jello shot |
| 02:07.28 | Led_Zeppelin | ha |
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| 02:07.54 | Akuw | well |
| 02:08.04 | Akuw | can you play it? |
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| 02:08.14 | missyjane | blah, to be honest, im sick right now |
| 02:09.00 | ltl | Akuw: it plays ok. |
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| 02:09.24 | Akuw | humm |
| 02:09.26 | Led_Zeppelin | Akuw, I am playing with it. Even with the --specials option I can't |
| 02:09.29 | Akuw | i am on gnewsense |
| 02:09.35 | Akuw | i can play youtube |
| 02:09.39 | Led_Zeppelin | its creating a file for me. Its overwriting my named pipe |
| 02:10.15 | Akuw | what pluggin you use? |
| 02:10.17 | abrotman | Akuw: go ask their channel, not this one |
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| 02:10.46 | Akuw | hoo, thanks |
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| 02:12.10 | Akuw | abrotman: what pluggin you use>? |
| 02:12.19 | nsadmin | missyjane, then you can't have my jello right now! :P |
| 02:12.25 | abrotman | Akuw: go ask #gnewsense .. this channel does not support that distro |
| 02:12.57 | missyjane | cries |
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| 02:16.54 | _budo | what command is there to reconfigure the screen resolution and video card? |
| 02:17.05 | _budo | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only does keyboard layouts |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | !xorg config |
| 02:17.10 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often mostly blank but you can feed xorg settings using it still. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout and use "X -configure" as a template for your handwritten xorg.conf. |
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| 02:17.52 | _budo | it configures itself but apparently didnt get it right |
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| 02:18.00 | _budo | my X windows stalls |
| 02:18.46 | mederEsite | I'm going from Ubuntu to Debian. In Ubuntu it automatically detected wifi networks and I could connect easily. In Debian it doesn't list any, if i do lspci | grep Wireless I can see my card listed and registered. What do I have to do to get Wifi to worK? |
| 02:19.05 | abrotman | what is your wifi card? |
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| 02:19.45 | nsadmin | mederEsite show the line of lspci -nn that is for your carc |
| 02:19.46 | mederEsite | Intel PRO/Wirelss 4965 AG or AGN |
| 02:20.00 | nsadmin | the whole line |
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| 02:20.05 | nsadmin | and nothing but the line |
| 02:20.40 | mederEsite | "Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection [8086:4230] (rev61)" |
| 02:20.47 | mederEsite | ( its on my laptop on my right, im on desktop now ) |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | mederEsite: /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
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| 02:21.05 | nsadmin | judd pciid 8086:4230 |
| 02:21.05 | judd | nsadmin: [8086:4230] is 'PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwl4965' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4230 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 02:21.17 | umarzuki | hi, how do i forward apache2 access log to local rsyslog? |
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| 02:28.20 | flourish | hello all, quick question about DNS query. usually we can use command 'host' to query some host, for instance host www.google.com, and we get an ip address. For reverse query, that is hots 66.249.89.104, we got another record, such as 104.89.249.66.in-addr.arpa. |
| 02:28.50 | flourish | but how the reverse inplement, i can just define the first one |
| 02:29.13 | flourish | that is i can define an A record or CNAME record ... |
| 02:29.34 | nsadmin | reverse uses PTR records |
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| 02:35.42 | nsadmin | flourish was that the question? |
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| 02:39.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | fucking hell. half of debian got orphaned today o_0 |
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| 02:40.05 | marcel | hello, i run xorg on a debian desktop box and it runs great. but i would like to make sure xorg is correctly configured on this system because for some odd reason its looks slower |
| 02:40.09 | marcel | could someone help me where to start looking? |
| 02:40.45 | nsadmin | whoever will help will need information |
| 02:41.14 | marcel | what kind of information? |
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| 02:42.25 | nsadmin | "looks slower" -> slower than what?; "correctly configured" -> what's wrong with the present config? why should it be as fast or faster now? |
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| 02:43.40 | jthan | Hello all - has anyone successfully run jabberd2 on debian lenny? |
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| 02:48.12 | Unseen | Hello people. |
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| 02:51.03 | jthan | Unseen: good evening |
| 02:51.07 | Psi-Jack | When getting the Debian DVD image for installation, I only need disc 1, correct? |
| 02:51.29 | jthan | Psi-Jack: been awhile since I installed - but I'm pretty sure unless you need packages that are on the other ones, then yes, only disc 1. |
| 02:51.30 | Unseen | jthan : good evening, guys i need some help. |
| 02:51.35 | jthan | Unseen: shoot - I'll do my best |
| 02:51.40 | Unseen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.47 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: if you have broadband .. probably better to use the netinst |
| 02:51.49 | abrotman | !bonding |
| 02:51.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bonding is configuring two NICs with same IP address, increasing throughput and providing failover. For setup instructions, see http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding . See also Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the Linux kernel source. Older information at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/350 |
| 02:51.50 | Psi-Jack | Thanks. I figured it'd be that easy. Same with the installation CD? |
| 02:52.07 | Psi-Jack | abhoriel: I have a fairly decent internet connection. |
| 02:52.07 | iateadonut | i'm trying to get tsocks or proxychains to work. when i start a small php webscript through proxychains, i get an error, but the information returns from the php script anyway. how can i tell if the php program was sent through the port i have configured with proxychains, or if it was sent through another? |
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| 02:52.45 | Psi-Jack | I'm mostly just setting up a bunch of servers, and wanting to test out a full-scale clustered webmin+virtualmin+usermin setup with it. |
| 02:53.07 | jthan | Psi-Jack: I think the netinstall is better, and because it downloads the packages you choose to install they are up to date. |
| 02:53.16 | jthan | or.. certainly more up to date than the static dvd images. |
| 02:53.18 | marcel | nsadmin: well, i cant seem to find a xorg.conf. when i do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' there no xorg.conf creation. and yes im root |
| 02:53.22 | Psi-Jack | Roger that. |
| 02:53.35 | marcel | nsadmin: i get this message though >> dpkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture', please use '--print-architecture' instead. |
| 02:53.40 | marcel | nsadmin: could it be a bug? |
| 02:53.55 | flourish | nsadmin: yes |
| 02:55.16 | Psi-Jack | Now, if I wanted to see what versions of software Debian packages have for Debian 5.0, is there a website that I could use to query? |
| 02:55.28 | jthan | Psi-Jack: one second |
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| 02:55.38 | jthan | Psi-Jack: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 02:55.39 | markybob | Psi-Jack, packages.debian.org |
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| 02:56.07 | flourish | i don't know howto set a PTR record for host aaa.bbb.com, |
| 02:56.13 | marcel | is there a debian sid channel? |
| 02:56.16 | flourish | any idea? |
| 02:56.22 | markybob | marcel, no |
| 02:56.36 | markybob | flourish, yes. you read a bind tutorial |
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| 02:57.42 | flourish | markybob: you mean to setup an PTR record, i must have a dns server myself ? I use the DNS server from a company |
| 02:58.02 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm |
| 02:58.12 | jthan | Psi-Jack: further complications? |
| 02:58.22 | Psi-Jack | How about something with an actual search engine, so I don't have to search through various categories? |
| 02:58.40 | nsadmin | flourish the dns server must be authoritative over the in-addr.arpa. domain that corresponds to the IP range |
| 02:58.45 | Psi-Jack | I'm trying to find out where PostgreSQL in these categories. heh |
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| 02:59.02 | jthan | Psi-Jack: is that the only one you're looking for? I have a lenny install handy I can just check for you |
| 02:59.29 | Psi-Jack | jthan: PostgreSQL, MySQL, OpenLDAP, are the three majors. I have completely dedicated servers for just those. |
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| 02:59.33 | nsadmin | probably it has 8.3.something |
| 02:59.41 | jthan | Psi-Jack: you just want to verify that the packages exist? |
| 02:59.51 | Psi-Jack | jthan: No, what version they are available in. ;) |
| 03:00.01 | Psi-Jack | I would hope 8.3.7, or even 8.4, but 8.3.7 will do. |
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| 03:00.03 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: packages.debian.org .. |
| 03:00.12 | nsadmin | judd versions postgresql |
| 03:00.13 | judd | nsadmin: postgresql -- etch: 7.5.22 sid: 8.3.5-1 sid: 8.3.6-1 etch-backports: 8.3.7-0lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.7-0lenny1 lenny-backports: 8.4.0-2~bpo50+1 sid: 8.4.0-2 squeeze: 8.4.0-2 |
| 03:00.15 | Psi-Jack | abrotman: And the search URL is? :) |
| 03:00.26 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: for instance .. packages.debian.org/postgresql |
| 03:00.28 | flourish | nsadmin: currently, i use the service from http://dns-diy.com, i must be authoritatived and for other record, i can modify it myself, except PTR, SRV ... |
| 03:00.44 | flourish | it must be authoritatived |
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| 03:01.03 | Psi-Jack | Ahhh, cool lenny is 5.0, so it has 8.3.7, good dead. ;) |
| 03:01.16 | nsadmin | flourish the dns server must be authoritative over the in-addr.arpa. domain that corresponds to the IP range |
| 03:01.28 | Psi-Jack | judd versions mysql |
| 03:01.29 | judd | Psi-Jack: mysql -- |
| 03:01.34 | nsadmin | yay! |
| 03:01.38 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: please use packages.debian.org |
| 03:02.15 | Psi-Jack | I want to be able to type in a search query, and packages.debian.org hasn't got that. :/ |
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| 03:02.21 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: you'll find that http://packages.debian.org/mysql .. actually gives results |
| 03:02.29 | abrotman | yes .. packages.debian.org does have search .. |
| 03:03.17 | Psi-Jack | Ahh there it is. ;) |
| 03:03.25 | abrotman | actually has two kinds of searches |
| 03:04.06 | Psi-Jack | Hmm |
| 03:04.23 | marcel | i would like to reconfigure my xorg but, when i do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' i get a few options and then, it seems to crash and i got these lines in my terminal: dpkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture', please use '--print-architecture' instead. |
| 03:04.30 | Psi-Jack | p.d.o/openldap, however, has really scarey results. gforge-ldap-openldap is all it shows. |
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| 03:04.43 | abrotman | !tell marcel about xorg config |
| 03:04.51 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: you probably want /ldap |
| 03:05.30 | abrotman | this is why you should use the search .. you could search the description fro openldap |
| 03:05.54 | Psi-Jack | Heh. |
| 03:06.04 | Psi-Jack | Well, there's a lot of things that have ldap in it. |
| 03:06.49 | smacnay | which debian apt source is best for a Debian sid AMD64 install? |
| 03:07.07 | smacnay | this is for the SUN vbox - not OSE. |
| 03:07.10 | marcel | abrotman: thanks but ive i cant read out xorg.conf how will i know if my card is hardware accelerated? |
| 03:07.38 | abrotman | which card is it ? |
| 03:07.55 | marcel | abrotman: im quessing its a onboard |
| 03:08.10 | abrotman | it's your freaking card |
| 03:08.18 | marcel | abrotman: ?? |
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| 03:08.31 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 03:08.36 | Psi-Jack | Aha, slapd. |
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| 03:08.56 | marcel | abrotman: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 quess not then.. |
| 03:09.05 | abrotman | guess not what? |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | i'd imagine that's got acceleration |
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| 03:09.42 | marcel | abrotman: thats what i mean.. dont think onboard can be hw accelerated?? |
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| 03:12.58 | SuperMIguel | anyone having issues with pidgin giving a Invalid certificate authority signature error? |
| 03:13.41 | FluxD | Hi, I am trying to do tab complete but whenever I do it I get this ~$ cat /etc/ls-sh: <( compgen -d -- '/etc/ls' ): No such file or directory |
| 03:13.41 | FluxD | -sh: <( compgen -f -X -- '/etc/ls' ): No such file or directory |
| 03:13.46 | Psi-Jack | I have a problem with pidgin always making me accept the SSL certificate during connection. |
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| 03:17.27 | violinappren | SuperMIguel: on what prototcol? MSN? |
| 03:18.09 | SuperMIguel | violinappren, fixed it |
| 03:18.12 | SuperMIguel | violinappren, thanks |
| 03:18.47 | johnakabean | hey everyone; I got an encrypted partition from Centos that I can't get mounted on Debian (I know I'm using the right password). I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0" |
| 03:18.59 | johnakabean | here are the commands I'm using: |
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| 03:20.01 | johnakabean | modprobe cryptoloop |
| 03:20.01 | johnakabean | losetup -e serpent /dev/loop0 /hdd/main |
| 03:20.01 | johnakabean | mount -t ext3 /dev/loop0 /secure |
| 03:20.20 | johnakabean | losetup asks for the password |
| 03:22.59 | Psi-Jack | so loves his all at-home gigabit network. |
| 03:23.31 | FluxD | Hi, I am trying to do tab complete but whenever I do it I get this ~$ cat /etc/ls-sh: <( compgen -d -- '/etc/ls' ): No such file or directory -sh: <( compgen -f -X -- '/etc/ls' ): No such file or directory |
| 03:26.30 | johnakabean | loves his all at home 100 mbit network but loves his T3 better |
| 03:26.58 | johnakabean | can someone help with my mount problem? |
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| 03:27.20 | magyar | is it possible to make two servers to redundant in the same rack with debian? |
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| 03:31.26 | Psi-Jack | heh, nice, I like the remote installer. |
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| 03:40.10 | Psi-Jack | Now, one of these days, you guys'll get the installer to support more LVM and mounting options. ;) |
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| 03:42.30 | johnakabean | how about the OS itself to install more things like encrypted filesystems |
| 03:42.47 | Psi-Jack | I saw encrypted options already during the 5.0 installer. |
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| 03:43.46 | Psi-Jack | Just that, LVM, it only does linear volumes. And mount options, one thing I liked about opensuse's installer is the mount options, like what method of mounting, by what device type, uuid, device node, etc.. For some volumes, mounting by label or uuid is better than by device nodes. |
| 03:45.14 | Psi-Jack | And installation completed. |
| 03:46.12 | Psi-Jack | Bleh, still installing exim by default, I see. Oh well. |
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| 03:47.15 | johnakabean | I got an encrypted partition from Centos that I can't get mounted on Debian (I know I'm using the right ssword). I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0" |
| 03:47.36 | johnakabean | modprobe cryptoloop |
| 03:47.44 | johnakabean | losetup -e serpent /dev/loop0 /hdd/main |
| 03:47.58 | johnakabean | mount -t ext3 /dev/loop0 /secure |
| 03:49.28 | ajavid | good evening |
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| 03:57.37 | Takar | Hola a todos |
| 03:58.04 | GhostlyDeath | !spanish |
| 03:58.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:58.15 | Takar | tengo un modesto y básico algoritmo que lo hice en turbo c++ y lo he ejecutado en Windows |
| 03:58.17 | Takar | el tema es |
| 03:58.40 | Takar | que me gustarÃa compilarlo y ejecutarlo en Debian y no sé cómo |
| 03:58.49 | Takar | son poquitas lÃneas de código |
| 03:58.57 | Takar | solamente 7 |
| 03:59.09 | ajavid | hey |
| 03:59.10 | ajavid | !es |
| 03:59.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:59.20 | Mordbrann | From my understanding he wants a firing squad named Debian to eject windows |
| 03:59.21 | Psi-Jack | Don'tcha just love when some jerk comes in thinkin everyone speaks their language? ;) |
| 03:59.26 | GhostlyDeath | HabrÃÂa que cambiar el código. |
| 03:59.44 | Mordbrann | Psi-Jack, ikke skjønner ;) |
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| 04:00.15 | Mordbrann | palm->forehead |
| 04:00.25 | GhostlyDeath | Si utiliza las funciones de ANSI y una plataforma de nada especÃÂfico que debe estar bien. |
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| 04:00.47 | GhostlyDeath | SerÃÂa bueno para unirse a #debian-es desde este canal es el Inglés solamente. |
| 04:00.53 | Mordbrann | so I think an update has caused the digest and md5 portions of ruby to become very slow. How can I test this for sure? |
| 04:01.18 | violinappren | MoDaX: code profiling |
| 04:01.24 | violinappren | * Mordbrann |
| 04:01.32 | powertool08 | Where can I find info on media repo's? I added debian-multimedia.org's to my sources.list and updated but libdvdcss says no candidate version found. |
| 04:02.10 | Mordbrann | violinappren, can you elaborate? I'm mainly interested in getting the app to not take 10 mins to sum a 40 MB file |
| 04:02.10 | GhostlyDeath | powertool08: Does the mirror you use have libdvdcss |
| 04:02.19 | GhostlyDeath | Some countries do not allow that software |
| 04:02.24 | GhostlyDeath | So they can't legally host it |
| 04:03.01 | violinappren | Mordbrann: code profiling will tell you which part of your code takes the most time.. look it up |
| 04:03.33 | powertool08 | GhostlyDeath: hmm, it auto-completed but apt-cache search didn't return it. I was using the US mirror, any ideas on one that does have it? |
| 04:03.36 | Mordbrann | violinappren, ty - though it is not my code and I"m reasonably sure the problem is the md5 / digest |
| 04:03.51 | GhostlyDeath | powertool08: afaik, the mirror which I used was from the US and it had it |
| 04:03.54 | GhostlyDeath | maybe it was removed |
| 04:04.35 | GhostlyDeath | powertool08: anywhere not in the US pretty much |
| 04:04.35 | violinappren | Mordbrann: you could invoke the native md5sum from inside the code, if the ruby implement does take long |
| 04:04.41 | violinappren | * implementation |
| 04:05.17 | powertool08 | GhostlyDeath: maybe I'm not doing it right? I followed the directions on the homepage about adding the key, but it said unpacking replacement keyring, listed 6 unchanged entries, and exited |
| 04:05.23 | Mordbrann | violinappren, yeah, thought of that... but I'd rather know which upgrade caused this to happen; worked perfectly fine a week ago |
| 04:05.47 | GhostlyDeath | powertool08: I never use keys, who needs em |
| 04:06.06 | violinappren | Mordbrann: have you examined the code behind ruby's md5? |
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| 04:06.30 | GhostlyDeath | powertool08: try aptitude |
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| 04:06.38 | GhostlyDeath | press / and search for css |
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| 04:06.54 | GhostlyDeath | the package is called libdvdcss2 |
| 04:07.50 | Mordbrann | violinappren, not yet; I reverted to an early git that was working fine and it still displayed the same behavior, so I'm fairly sure the app is not the root problem, though maybe it is doing something wrong |
| 04:07.57 | powertool08 | GhostlyDeath: It didn't find it. |
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| 04:08.14 | GhostlyDeath | powertool08: Did you add contrib and non-free? |
| 04:08.22 | powertool08 | GhostlyDeath: yes |
| 04:09.12 | johnakabean | where do you add these repositories? |
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| 04:09.18 | GhostlyDeath | powertool08: what architecture are you running? |
| 04:09.26 | GhostlyDeath | johnakabean: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:09.30 | Mordbrann | johnakabean, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:09.39 | oh_noes | How do I boot with verbose logging? I have a server which won't boot under certain conditions, and I think a hardware device is locking it |
| 04:09.47 | oh_noes | whats the kernel param in grub? -d or -v? |
| 04:09.49 | Mordbrann | GhostlyDeath, great minds think alike ;) |
| 04:09.49 | GhostlyDeath | oh_noes: remove silent |
| 04:10.07 | GhostlyDeath | err |
| 04:10.09 | GhostlyDeath | quiet |
| 04:10.23 | GhostlyDeath | oh_noes: check GRUB |
| 04:10.26 | powertool08 | GhostlyDeath: x86, kernel 2.6.30 |
| 04:10.36 | GhostlyDeath | oh_noes: For the Debian boot option there should be at the end "quiet", remove that |
| 04:10.41 | GhostlyDeath | then get spammed with tons of info |
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| 04:11.00 | oh_noes | so just remove quiet and thats it? it'll then become a verbose or debug boot? |
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| 04:11.22 | GhostlyDeath | oh_noes: It will become verbose |
| 04:11.28 | GhostlyDeath | but not debugged |
| 04:11.35 | GhostlyDeath | You could determine where it slows down |
| 04:11.46 | GhostlyDeath | oh_noes: then you could try adding noacpi |
| 04:11.53 | GhostlyDeath | see if it boots after that |
| 04:12.02 | GhostlyDeath | sometimes acpi scres up |
| 04:12.07 | GhostlyDeath | powertool08: I might have the package |
| 04:12.14 | GhostlyDeath | but it would be illegal to give it to you =P |
| 04:12.30 | powertool08 | q |
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| 04:12.55 | GhostlyDeath | http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/package/libdvdcss2.php |
| 04:13.43 | GhostlyDeath | oh_noes: When it freezes see what the last message is |
| 04:13.53 | GhostlyDeath | then post it here, someone could probably figure something out |
| 04:14.19 | powertool08 | GhostlyDeath: Thanks, I'd also like to know why its doing this if possible, should it happen again. |
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| 04:14.54 | GhostlyDeath | powertool08: Did it download the package list and actually show them? |
| 04:15.07 | oh_noes | GhostlyDeath: thanks. my problem is, the kernel locks up when I DONT have a VGA cable plugged in. if it's plugged in, it works without a problem. Ive never run into this problem before. |
| 04:15.28 | oh_noes | Is there an option I can pass to the kernel for "VIDEO SAFE MODE" ? |
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| 04:15.39 | powertool08 | GhostlyDeath: What are you referring to with it? The link? |
| 04:15.41 | GhostlyDeath | My computers boot with no VGA |
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| 04:15.49 | GhostlyDeath | powertool08: apt |
| 04:16.01 | GhostlyDeath | The only thing connected to it is ethernet and power |
| 04:16.08 | oh_noes | GhostlyDeath: so does most others, but this *one* server I have doesn't |
| 04:16.28 | GhostlyDeath | oh_noes: What if you plug the cable in after it boots? |
| 04:16.32 | GhostlyDeath | when Linux freezes? |
| 04:16.54 | GhostlyDeath | It really shouldn't care |
| 04:17.08 | GhostlyDeath | oh_noes: What's the video setup on your computer? |
| 04:17.14 | GhostlyDeath | Is there like PCI, AGP, etc.? |
| 04:17.48 | cantido | oh_noes: you mean just the cable not plugged in?? |
| 04:17.48 | GhostlyDeath | oh_noes: How do you know it locks up? |
| 04:17.56 | nsadmin | sometimes certain daemons need connection to the net, lots of times to look up a hostname |
| 04:18.17 | nsadmin | if not connected it waits |
| 04:18.17 | cantido | exim used to do that :/ |
| 04:18.22 | powertool08 | GhostlyDeath: I think it did. When I type #aptitude install libdvd<tab> it lists libdvdcss, libdvdcss2, and libdvdread4. libdvdread4 installed but libdvdcss2 just says no candidate. If it autocompletes, isn't it in apt's package list? |
| 04:19.12 | nsadmin | it's probably in debian multimedia |
| 04:19.13 | GhostlyDeath | The package could actually be listed |
| 04:19.15 | nsadmin | !marillat |
| 04:19.15 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 04:19.16 | GhostlyDeath | but have no download link |
| 04:19.46 | GhostlyDeath | But the lines added at the end should override Debian's libdvdcss2 if it has one |
| 04:19.59 | cantido | powertool08: libdvdcss2 isn't in debian but is recommended I think.. there is a script to download and install it IIRC |
| 04:20.04 | Psi-Jack | Blah.. |
| 04:20.12 | Psi-Jack | Virtualmin doesn't support xfs quotas. |
| 04:20.35 | powertool08 | I added the debian multimedia repo, but it still didn't find it. |
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| 04:20.52 | powertool08 | GhostlyDeath: the deb link installed fine though, thanks. |
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| 04:21.23 | nsadmin | did you update? and get the warning about the key |
| 04:21.25 | nsadmin | ? |
| 04:21.53 | debian_d | how to install pidgin 2.5.8 in debian ? what line to be added in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 04:22.20 | powertool08 | nsadmin: I updated, and it attempted something with the key and said something |
| 04:22.48 | nsadmin | if 2.5.8 isn't in your debian version, first thing to do is see if it's in backports |
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| 04:23.23 | debian_d | nsadmin: what line to add in sources.list for backport |
| 04:24.01 | nsadmin | http://backports.org should have that info |
| 04:24.22 | powertool08 | nsadmin: When I update now, it hits http://debian-multimedia.org sid Release.gpg, sid Release, and sid/main Sources/DiffIndex, I don't see a sid/main Packages/DiffIndex, could this be the problem? |
| 04:25.08 | nsadmin | hits but doesn't gets? |
| 04:25.09 | Psi-Jack | Hmm |
| 04:25.19 | Psi-Jack | So, the standard Linux quota tools will not work with XFS, I take it? |
| 04:25.29 | powertool08 | nsadmin: Correct |
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| 04:26.24 | nsadmin | hmm. well now that we know it's properly configured for dmm, try apt-cache search libdvdcss |
| 04:26.25 | cantido | Psi-Jack: don't you have to mount xfs with quota support.. |
| 04:26.31 | Psi-Jack | I have., |
| 04:26.41 | powertool08 | nsadmin: That doesn't find the package |
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| 04:26.50 | nsadmin | no output? |
| 04:28.08 | cantido | Psi-Jack: I use xfs, never used the quota stuff though.. but from what I gather the normal quota command should work |
| 04:28.12 | powertool08 | nsadmin: brasero, gxine, libdvdread4 (it lists libdvdcss2 now but only because I installed the deb downloaded fom dmm) |
| 04:28.26 | Psi-Jack | cantido: XFS has it's own xfs_quota |
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| 04:30.28 | cantido | Psi-Jack:man pages for quotaon etc suggest the normal commands are xfs aware |
| 04:30.34 | nsadmin | powertool08: I'm confused... isn't that what you wanted? |
| 04:30.43 | powertool08 | nsadmin: You pointed out that it hits but doesn't get, what would cause that? |
| 04:30.55 | nsadmin | already had it |
| 04:31.23 | Psi-Jack | quotacheck: Cannot find filesystem to check or filesystem not mounted with quota option. |
| 04:31.24 | powertool08 | nsadmin: Yes, but I also want the repo to work for future packages I may need out of it. |
| 04:31.38 | Psi-Jack | And: /dev/mapper/sys-root on / type xfs (rw,relatime,grpquota,usrquota) |
| 04:31.40 | jaggz- | must go |
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| 04:31.56 | cantido | Psi-Jack: --format=format-name -- .. vfsv0 (version 2 quota), rpc (quota over NFS), xfs (quota on XFS filesystem) |
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| 04:43.59 | f^ckgfw | ok , fine , this is a nice start point |
| 04:44.28 | f^ckgfw | can i install softwares with out root permission? |
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| 04:45.19 | cantido | f^ckgfw: to your $home yeah |
| 04:45.33 | debian_d | what's the command to update debian 5.0 to 5.1 ? |
| 04:45.51 | phobos_anomaly | debian_d: sudo aptitude upgrade? |
| 04:46.43 | purplepenguins | you probably have to change your repos |
| 04:46.56 | purplepenguins | to point to the right release |
| 04:47.35 | cantido | 5.1 is squeeze isn't it? |
| 04:47.52 | phobos_anomaly | I think squeeze is going to be 6.0 |
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| 04:48.24 | GhostlyDeath | Yknow |
| 04:48.33 | GhostlyDeath | Has anyone noticed that Debian is following Windows kinda? |
| 04:48.40 | GhostlyDeath | 3.0, 3.1, 4.0, 5.0, 6.0 |
| 04:48.52 | purplepenguins | windows didn't have a 4.0 or 5.0 did it |
| 04:48.53 | debian_d | what's the problem with sudo command ? afte sudo fdisk -l http://pastebin.com/m27e15e66 , what to do? |
| 04:48.55 | cantido | so there is no 5.1 |
| 04:49.04 | GhostlyDeath | purplepenguins: NT |
| 04:49.10 | GhostlyDeath | NT 4 and NT 5 |
| 04:49.19 | purplepenguins | what about 95, 98, 2000 |
| 04:49.21 | GhostlyDeath | Windows 95 and 98 were 4.0 also in a way |
| 04:49.23 | phobos_anomaly | purplepenguins: 2000 =nt 5 xp =5.1 |
| 04:49.23 | GhostlyDeath | 2000 is NT 5 |
| 04:49.42 | purplepenguins | so is vista 6.0 then |
| 04:49.46 | cantido | wonders why windows version numbers matter.. |
| 04:49.47 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 04:49.54 | phobos_anomaly | I can't remember what the vista kernel reads. I think it read 5.5 on the rtm |
| 04:49.56 | GhostlyDeath | Windows 7 will be NT 7.0 |
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| 04:50.07 | GhostlyDeath | Vista is 6.0 and 2008 is 6.1 afaik |
| 04:50.13 | phobos_anomaly | ah |
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| 04:51.26 | cantido | debian_d: if you've configured sudo you will type your password there |
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| 04:51.58 | cantido | windows version numbers aside, according the debian.net squeeze with become 6.0.. so there is no 5.1 he can upgrade to |
| 04:52.14 | debian_d | cantido: after giving password "user1 is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 04:52.15 | debian_d | " |
| 04:52.25 | cantido | debian_d: you haven't configured it then |
| 04:52.27 | purplepenguins | is user1 in the wheel group |
| 04:52.31 | debian_d | cantido: how to configure sudoers? |
| 04:52.41 | purplepenguins | visudo |
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| 04:53.03 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: XP doesn't exist |
| 04:53.10 | cantido | purplepenguins: debian doesn't have a wheel group by defauly |
| 04:53.14 | cantido | default |
| 04:53.25 | GhostlyDeath | on Debian you need to setup sudo |
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| 04:53.29 | GhostlyDeath | you can do su though |
| 04:53.53 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: who cares about windows xp? |
| 04:55.34 | debian_d | cantido: how to configure sudoers? |
| 04:55.36 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: yes, who cares! |
| 04:55.45 | ajavid | visudo |
| 04:55.52 | ajavid | !sudo |
| 04:55.52 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it, ask me about <visudo>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
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| 05:01.35 | debian_d | what's the command to know the version of debian with name ? |
| 05:02.10 | ajavid | !version |
| 05:02.10 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 05:02.10 | w0rmh0le | I am a version 1.1.0 PyBorg |
| 05:02.36 | ajavid | w0rmh0le, go away |
| 05:04.43 | debian_d | ajavid: lsb_release -a command not found |
| 05:04.51 | ajavid | life's a bitch |
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| 05:05.18 | Psi-Jack | Heh. OKay then./ |
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| 05:05.35 | Psi-Jack | quotaon -F xfs ugv / -- Epic Mega Fail |
| 05:05.35 | ajavid | !install it |
| 05:05.36 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 05:05.45 | GhostlyDeath | OH NO! |
| 05:05.47 | Psi-Jack | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 05:05.51 | Psi-Jack | Crap |
| 05:05.57 | GhostlyDeath | Spammer! |
| 05:05.59 | Psi-Jack | quotaon: quotactl() on /dev/mapper/sys-root: Function not implemented |
| 05:06.05 | ajavid | face palm |
| 05:06.15 | Psi-Jack | That's what I meant to paste. Fricken quassel selected the news flash line and pasted it. |
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| 05:06.48 | Psi-Jack | So anyway, yeah, xfs and linux quota tools, still fail. |
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| 05:08.46 | ajavid | eats a green skittle |
| 05:10.30 | Psi-Jack | Hmm |
| 05:10.40 | Psi-Jack | Curious, can jfs actually fsck live? |
| 05:10.51 | debian_d | how to know the permission number for a file ? what's the command ? like for sudoers file 777 the permission number |
| 05:11.08 | cantido | Psi-Jack: while writable? |
| 05:11.14 | Psi-Jack | Yes. |
| 05:11.53 | liable | Psi-Jack: look in its man page. i doubt it |
| 05:12.08 | Psi-Jack | It doesn't say anything about it NOT being able to. That's why I ask. |
| 05:12.09 | ajavid | !permissions |
| 05:12.10 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 05:12.16 | ajavid | debian_d, ^^ |
| 05:12.47 | Psi-Jack | Oh wait. |
| 05:12.55 | cantido | fsck.jfs reckons you shouldn't run it on a mounted fs |
| 05:13.04 | Psi-Jack | Yeah. I see it now. |
| 05:13.09 | Psi-Jack | So, hmm, blasted. |
| 05:13.21 | Psi-Jack | There's no filesystems for Linux can can be checked, fully live. heh |
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| 05:14.15 | cantido | I'm sure they check for errors and fix as much as possible during use.. |
| 05:14.32 | Psi-Jack | But yet, could cause serious problems, in doing so. |
| 05:15.12 | cantido | when XFS hits a broken file you can't access it anymore |
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| 05:29.35 | ajavid | man |
| 05:29.37 | ajavid | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/fakechroot/trunk/src/libfakechroot.c |
| 05:29.43 | ajavid | I've been trying to figure out how |
| 05:29.45 | ajavid | but wtf |
| 05:29.54 | ajavid | this is pretty sophisticated |
| 05:30.10 | ajavid | nice util, I didn't know there was a fakechroot until lately |
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| 05:36.33 | a2z | okay guys, im trying to get a package to install but it aint working, my repos are screwed |
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| 05:36.50 | iateadonut | do you have apt-spy installed? |
| 05:37.18 | a2z | no idea |
| 05:37.18 | debian_d | what's the command to know if it's debian lenny ? |
| 05:37.55 | debian_d | cat /etc/debian_version 5.0 |
| 05:38.37 | iateadonut | what's the error message it gives you when you try to install a package? |
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| 05:41.17 | a2z | iateadonut: Reading package lists... Done |
| 05:41.17 | a2z | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 05:41.17 | a2z | Package tcl-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:41.17 | a2z | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 05:41.17 | a2z | is only available from another source |
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| 05:41.24 | a2z | im sorry |
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| 05:41.59 | ajavid | !paste |
| 05:41.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 05:45.35 | Psi-Jack | Heh, well, I guess for a web, ftp, and mail server, ext3 may very well just have to do. ;) |
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| 05:46.21 | oh_noes | is it possible to force NTP to sync the clock when ntp starts? |
| 05:46.36 | oh_noes | when i run mine ... its taking 5 minutes before it corrects the clocks |
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| 05:52.09 | mikey | Hi. |
| 05:52.16 | purplepenguins | hi mikey |
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| 05:52.23 | mikey | What package in apt provide the 'ps' program? |
| 05:52.49 | mikey | provides * |
| 05:53.13 | hark | mikey: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 05:54.15 | Psi-Jack | procps |
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| 05:54.52 | mikey | thanks |
| 05:55.25 | Psi-Jack | Well, that's one annoyance I have with Debian so far.. My KVM w/USB switch, causes a screen full of usb kernel messages to splatter the console everytime I switch to it. |
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| 05:55.58 | Psi-Jack | That's probably just the logger though directing it to console. |
| 05:56.12 | hark | see the kernel.printk line in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 05:56.47 | Psi-Jack | Ahhh. :) |
| 05:57.21 | magyar | gmail down? |
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| 05:59.12 | Psi-Jack | Okay, now only ONE line appears when I switch via the KVM |
| 05:59.32 | Psi-Jack | drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-core.c: couldn't find an input interrupt endpoint |
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| 06:05.13 | jdahm | I just installed the texlive package but when I try to latex a paper, I get permission denied all over the place and I can't find the format file `latex.fmt'! |
| 06:05.17 | jdahm | anyone seen this? |
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| 06:14.26 | PyroPeter| | i want to install a packet to my ~. (i do not have root rights, but dont want to install from source) |
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| 06:16.28 | PyroPeter| | oh come on, its ~0 o'clock in america, i dont belive you are all sleeping |
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| 06:16.57 | purplepenguins | america is not all at the same time |
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| 06:17.11 | iateadonut | yeah. |
| 06:17.16 | iateadonut | it's 11:18 in LA |
| 06:17.21 | iateadonut | 10:18 in Alaska |
| 06:17.27 | iateadonut | and 8 or 9 in hawaii |
| 06:17.28 | nsadmin | PyroPeter| a .deb is a .ar containing a text file and two tarballs... you'd have to pull the .deb apart |
| 06:17.31 | purplepenguins | also, i don't think you can use apt at all except as root |
| 06:17.35 | PyroPeter| | thats my i prefixed ~ to the time |
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| 06:18.02 | PyroPeter| | but i thought there were precompiled binarys in the debs? |
| 06:18.04 | nsadmin | and you'd have to figure out how you would (necessarily) alter the maint scripts so they work |
| 06:18.16 | nsadmin | there are |
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| 06:18.38 | iateadonut | if i want to tunnel through a SOCKS proxy from a windows box, i pretty much have to install putty or something? |
| 06:18.39 | nsadmin | I just told you what a .deb is... you should start playing with one |
| 06:18.49 | PyroPeter| | the problem is that i am forced to use ubuntu and i dont even know if gcc is installed :-P |
| 06:19.27 | nsadmin | PyroPeter| so, you're not listening... |
| 06:19.43 | nsadmin | which is ok, I finished my thought |
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| 06:20.26 | iateadonut | pyropeter| can you access root? do this: apt-get install gcc and it will tell you if gcc is already installed |
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| 06:20.52 | PyroPeter| | im not root |
| 06:20.53 | nsadmin | iateadonut: also not listening... he said he doesn't have root access |
| 06:21.27 | nsadmin | PyroPeter| you don't have your own machine? |
| 06:21.39 | PyroPeter| | no, i'm in my school |
| 06:21.57 | nsadmin | try this... |
| 06:21.58 | nsadmin | make |
| 06:22.01 | nsadmin | try this... |
| 06:22.02 | nsadmin | gcc |
| 06:22.26 | nsadmin | make will probably say no makefile, |
| 06:22.33 | nsadmin | gcc will probably say no input files |
| 06:22.38 | PyroPeter| | yes, both installed |
| 06:22.51 | nsadmin | so, now you do know |
| 06:23.25 | iateadonut | how do i make a SOCKS server on a debian machine so that a user can enter in the SOCKS host IP address in, for example, firefox, and voila! |
| 06:23.29 | nsadmin | so maybe you have enough build tools to build what you want |
| 06:23.55 | iateadonut | (so that the user doesn't have to use the command line...) |
| 06:24.00 | nsadmin | viola! |
| 06:24.13 | iateadonut | i guess that would defeat the purpose, though, huh? |
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| 06:27.27 | PyroPeter| | -_- cmake is not installed |
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| 06:31.53 | nsadmin | no, but gnu make is |
| 06:32.00 | axscode | W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
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| 06:32.03 | axscode | little help please |
| 06:32.23 | axscode | how and where to get the pub key? |
| 06:32.23 | iateadonut | i'd like to change all folders permission so that OTHERS cannot read. is there anyway to chmod a single permission like that? so that rwxrwxrwx because rwxrwx--x? (without disrupting the permissions set on owner and group) |
| 06:32.31 | nsadmin | aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 06:32.37 | nsadmin | aptitude update |
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| 06:33.52 | nsadmin | o-rw |
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| 06:35.07 | Psi-Jack | Yeah.... Now I'm getting tab completion errors on Debian..: cd pu-sh: <( compgen -d -- 'pu' ): No such file or directory |
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| 06:43.22 | merlin83 | is it possible to force apt-get to use python2.6 instead of 2.5 ? |
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| 06:45.14 | merlin83 | doing stuff like apt-get install python-lxml or apt-get install python-twisted keeps forcing me to install python 2.5 rather than 2.6 |
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| 06:46.39 | nsadmin | everything is versioned |
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| 06:46.56 | nsadmin | you could look for backports |
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| 06:47.25 | hark | backports won't help |
| 06:47.59 | nsadmin | then your only remaining option is to build and maintain your own python stack |
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| 06:58.01 | greenmang0 | i am follwing this article for RemasterSys |
| 06:58.05 | greenmang0 | http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/debian.html |
| 06:58.17 | greenmang0 | but the repository provided by them is not available |
| 06:58.20 | greenmang0 | http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/repository |
| 06:58.31 | greenmang0 | where can i get it from? |
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| 06:59.22 | greenmang0 | nsadmin: ^^ |
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| 07:01.04 | PyroPeter| | ok, i got the binarys from the packet, but it searches files of an other packet in /usr and not in my home. chroot doesnt work, the app does not have commandline args to change the data-dir, so what should i do? |
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| 07:02.12 | a-s | can somebody download me from ACM this article, please: M. Bermudez and G. Logothetis, Simple Computation of LALR(1) Lookahead Sets. Information Processing Letters. 1989. Volume 31. |
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| 07:14.39 | peacetreaty | good morning |
| 07:15.36 | neo8848 | good morning... may i trouble anyone with wifi connection problems? |
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| 07:17.15 | peacetreaty | i have an ipsec connection(debian etch + openswan); the tunnel works but if the user start a sap-connection over ipsec after a while the connections stopps; a wireshark-dump shows that at that point tcp retransmission-packets are sent; does anyone know the problem or could anyone give me a hint? |
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| 07:34.08 | steve_j | morning all |
| 07:34.38 | steve_j | just discovered that my etch server has been compromised by a sock_sendpage() Local Ring0 Root Exploit |
| 07:34.56 | steve_j | anyone suffered this too / anyone know if there's a patch, etc? |
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| 07:49.15 | debian_d | can't mount drives from nautilus . how to configure? |
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| 07:49.30 | debian_d | can't mount vfat drives from nautilus . how to configure? |
| 07:49.40 | debian_d | !mount |
| 07:49.40 | dpkg | i guess mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
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| 07:49.56 | debian_d | !mount drives |
| 07:50.10 | debian_d | !drives |
| 07:50.22 | debian_d | !install |
| 07:50.22 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 07:50.30 | debian_d | !mount |
| 07:50.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 07:50.47 | debian_d | !how to mount |
| 07:51.06 | petar | how do I control the max execution time of a cron job? on BSD there is the CRON_WITHIN variable but what is it on debian? |
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| 07:51.47 | debian_d | can't mount windows's vfat drives from nautilus . how to configure? |
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| 07:52.58 | steve_j | anyone know how to patch against the sock_sendpage() Local Ring0 Root Exploit |
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| 07:53.11 | steve_j | our etch box was compromised |
| 07:53.36 | steve_j | !security |
| 07:53.36 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 07:54.38 | debian_d | !main |
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| 07:55.55 | debian_d | hello, how to configure to mount drives from nautilus? |
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| 08:00.43 | debian_d | hello, how to configure to mount drives from nautilus? |
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| 08:03.12 | Tiffon | nas |
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| 08:16.17 | zophy | man |
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| 08:16.38 | zophy | ubuntu is a popcorn version of debian |
| 08:19.03 | cantido | brown popcorn? |
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| 08:24.01 | peacetreaty | cu |
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| 08:28.53 | ericpersson | Anyone a wiz with xrandr? I tried to change the default monitor in my dualmonitor setup, but the desktop and gnome bar always shows up on the wrong monitor... |
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| 08:30.28 | rumpsy | hi everyone |
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| 08:31.05 | rumpsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.07 | Evet | http://pastebin.com/da415b13 |
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| 08:31.15 | Evet | do you know what it means? |
| 08:31.33 | rumpsy | Evet: are yuo talking to me |
| 08:31.45 | Evet | everyone |
| 08:32.16 | mort_gib | Hi, I just moved a HDD to another Alix board, hoping that it would work, but eth0 is not showing in ifconfig, despite it showing in dmesg.... How to I get it to show up |
| 08:32.25 | rumpsy | Evet: can you please tell, how to install packages from debian cd2 |
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| 08:33.13 | Evet | dunno |
| 08:34.32 | rumpsy | Evet: okay,, Thank you |
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| 08:34.49 | steve_j | hi _AnywhereIs_ |
| 08:34.56 | zophy | debian testing ia64, yea or nay ? |
| 08:35.43 | _AnywhereIs_ | sup steve_j |
| 08:35.45 | cantido | zophy: you have an ia64 machine O_o |
| 08:36.03 | zophy | emt64 |
| 08:36.18 | cantido | that's a totally different thing |
| 08:36.32 | zophy | poo |
| 08:36.44 | cantido | zophy: you want the amd64 port |
| 08:37.27 | zophy | ok, i was just thinking that myself |
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| 08:41.53 | zophy | why do people use ubuntu instead of debian ? |
| 08:42.09 | zophy | is it the color of the screen background ? |
| 08:42.25 | llutz | why do some people drink pepsi, others coke |
| 08:42.45 | cantido | pepsi is pretty manky though |
| 08:43.15 | cantido | where as coke tastes like happiness mixed with the 80's |
| 08:43.45 | transylvania | Hi, bug 542422 about dmsetup (that lead to 542435 grub2 bug) is reported to be solved by lvm2 2.02.51-2 |
| 08:44.46 | transylvania | I have this lvm2 on my system but still having /dev/mapper/local-racine -> ../dm-0 |
| 08:45.22 | transylvania | need I reopen the bug or is it a configuration problem (something still in udev persistant rules ?) |
| 08:45.40 | transylvania | I searched for a rule but didn't find anything |
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| 08:56.59 | mbuf | I have done apt-get source hello-debhelper, how do I build it? |
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| 08:58.56 | liable | !buildpackage |
| 08:59.09 | liable | bah |
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| 08:59.52 | Ivru | hi |
| 09:00.14 | liable | !rebuild from debian source |
| 09:00.14 | dpkg | [rebuild from debian source] add the needed deb-src lines (/msg apt deb-src), then run 'apt-get source whatever; apt-get build-dep whatever'. cd into the newly created 'whatever' dir, then edit anything you want. for compilation options, look in debian/rules. then run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us' to get your shiny new .debs |
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| 09:01.09 | CharminTheMoose | How can I convert a .flv to a .gif? |
| 09:01.45 | chouchou_ | pls how many VPS can we get on a dedicated server? |
| 09:01.51 | chouchou_ | and how many shared hosting can we get on 1 VPS? |
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| 09:05.55 | mbuf | liable, thanks, can you tell why this error? http://pastebin.ca/1545596 using Debian 5.0 |
| 09:06.21 | fireba11 | chouchou_: depends entirely on your hardware and your demands of every vps |
| 09:06.57 | chouchou_ | now, how many shared hosting can we get on 1 CPU? |
| 09:07.16 | cantido | how long is a piece of string? |
| 09:07.37 | chouchou_ | no, i mean number of shared hosting per/ VPS |
| 09:07.44 | jelly | cantido: about 350 |
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| 09:08.09 | fireba11 | chouchou_: that still depends on what's running on the shared hosting. |
| 09:08.11 | Ivru | using syslog-ng is it possible to use a samba mount file as source ? |
| 09:08.27 | Maleko | hi people.. |
| 09:08.32 | cantido | chouchou_: that would depend on the machine, the stuff you're going to run, the amount concurrent users |
| 09:08.43 | Maleko | how do we kill an established tcp connection? |
| 09:09.05 | lsd | petit chouchou |
| 09:09.42 | lsd | Maleko, you kill the process which accepted / created it, or firewall off the port? |
| 09:09.42 | Ivru | Or mounting a samba shared file, is there anyoption to get notify when the file is written ? |
| 09:10.13 | cantido | Ivru: syslog-ng doesnt need to know anything about the uderlying filesystem |
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| 09:10.26 | cantido | Ivru: s/uderlying/underlying/ |
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| 09:10.47 | Maleko | lsd, just that connection. cant kill the daemon |
| 09:10.58 | Ivru | cantido: the pb is that syslog-ng does not see the change in the file unless I ls the folder where the file is mounted |
| 09:11.23 | cantido | Ivru: so samba does some lazy mounting or something :/ |
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| 09:11.40 | cantido | Ivru: if you're loggin over the network, why not do it to another syslog daemon? |
| 09:11.49 | Ivru | cantido: do you know how can i do ? |
| 09:12.02 | Ivru | nope. I cannot install anthing on the producer |
| 09:12.12 | Ivru | (producer=windows machine) |
| 09:12.45 | cantido | oh, there's going to be some way of fixing samba though.. it's probably some config option to stop it doing that |
| 09:13.09 | Ivru | Searching the man I've found nothing |
| 09:13.14 | lsd | Maleko, Maleko, how frequently do you need to do this? |
| 09:13.20 | Ivru | Any help would be appreaciate :) |
| 09:13.48 | cantido | Ivru: what exacting is happening? you've configured syslog-ng to log something to a file on a samba share and it doesnt get created? |
| 09:13.51 | Maleko | lsd: err once in while |
| 09:14.06 | Ivru | cantido: not TO but FROM |
| 09:14.26 | Maleko | any suggestion of some simple tool? |
| 09:14.34 | Ivru | syslog-ng does not see any change in the (does not logg anything) unless I ls the folder containg the file |
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| 09:14.39 | Ivru | or cat the file |
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| 09:14.55 | Ivru | syslog-ng does not get any notification that the file has change |
| 09:15.54 | cantido | so syslog-ng is meant to poll the file? smb doesn't have a notification system AFIAK |
| 09:16.11 | Ivru | that's it |
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| 09:17.08 | Ivru | So I'm screw unless I try using inotifyfs ? |
| 09:17.15 | chouchou_ | ok, let's take a case study of http://www.hostv.com/vps-hosting.shtml |
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| 09:17.43 | cantido | Ivru: I'm not sure you can add watches to nfs, samba.. |
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| 09:18.02 | Ivru | Ok, thanks for the information |
| 09:18.49 | chouchou_ | how many VPS can they their servers, and how many shared hosting can they have on VPS account? |
| 09:18.50 | cantido | Ivru: you could poll the file and used logger to feed the new lines into syslog |
| 09:19.09 | cantido | chouchou_: 50 million |
| 09:19.29 | chouchou_ | please, break down |
| 09:19.33 | Ivru | cantido: I want to avoid using scripts |
| 09:19.42 | Ivru | But how can I pool it ? |
| 09:20.02 | cantido | Ivru: cron |
| 09:20.10 | Ivru | ok |
| 09:20.25 | chouchou_ | cantido: can you please breakdown |
| 09:20.37 | cantido | chouchou_: you would need to tell us what hardware you have, what your applications are.. |
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| 09:21.14 | cantido | chouchou_: still it's prety hard to give you a number, you'll have to try it and see |
| 09:21.47 | chouchou_ | ok, let's work on a sample server |
| 09:21.55 | chouchou_ | what can be a specs of a standard server? |
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| 09:22.17 | cantido | serving? |
| 09:22.24 | chouchou_ | yes |
| 09:22.34 | cantido | serving what |
| 09:22.37 | intx | what does debian have on default that runs via crontab every hour on the 36/37th minute? i'm seeing it in my auth.log but can't find it anywhere |
| 09:22.39 | chouchou_ | a server machine |
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| 09:23.24 | cantido | intx: what cron executed should be in your syslog |
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| 09:24.43 | intx | cantido: thanks |
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| 09:26.11 | transylvania | chouchou_: a "server machine" is not at all a definition, it's just an adjectiv you put on some hardware. It can be as different as an old desktop machine used as a server, a asus-eee box or an high-end ibm x-series |
| 09:26.28 | transylvania | z-series |
| 09:26.52 | intx | that's true, even a netbook could be a server machine :P |
| 09:27.01 | intx | it'd be nice and portable and low powered :P |
| 09:27.02 | Kiirani | Hi there, what's the standard procedure with webapps installed through apt-get? I'm looking to set up wordpress on a debian machine but it appears to have just put the code in /usr/share/wordpress... I'd like to have the software available for multiple different vhosts, and kept up to date for all of them via the package manager. Is there an accepted way to handle this or should I just hack it myself? |
| 09:27.19 | transylvania | and you won't be able to run the same number of vm or virtual host one those different hardware |
| 09:27.36 | cantido | Kiirani: the stuff in /usr/share/doc/wordpress tells you how to do a multisite install I think |
| 09:27.58 | Kiirani | Ah okay. i'll have a trawl thanks cantido :) |
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| 09:28.06 | transylvania | Kiirani: and since sarge, aptitude is the reference package manager for debian |
| 09:28.17 | cantido | Kiirani: I think you basically have a vhost dir that sets the right db settings for that site and then starts up wordpress, but it's in the docs :) |
| 09:28.33 | cantido | Kiirani: script in the vhost dir |
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| 09:28.53 | transylvania | if anyone have any information for my grub2/lvm2 problem, I can reexplain it |
| 09:28.58 | Kiirani | transylvania - aptitude.. wasn't that the one with the curses gui? I don't like that one :( |
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| 09:29.15 | transylvania | Kiirani: you can use it without the gui |
| 09:29.28 | Kiirani | cantido - yeah that's how I was going to hack it, lol. But having the docs tell me would be nice! |
| 09:29.55 | transylvania | Kiirani: but I advice you to read sarge, etch and lenny release notes on this subject |
| 09:30.26 | Kiirani | Alrighty I will do :) |
| 09:30.28 | transylvania | the gui is a very small part of a package management tool |
| 09:30.44 | transylvania | what's interesting is what's inside |
| 09:30.55 | transylvania | (dependancy resolution for exemple) |
| 09:31.02 | Kiirani | I'm not a regular debian user so you can perhaps forgive me if I'm a little behind the times :P |
| 09:31.19 | chouchou_ | ok I am back. let's take this Dual Core Intel® Pentium® D 3.0Ghz 250GB SATA Hard Drive 2GB DDR2 100Mbit Unmetered* |
| 09:31.21 | chouchou_ | number of Dedicatd and/ or shared hosting? |
| 09:31.23 | transylvania | Kiirani: that's why I inform you :) |
| 09:31.38 | transylvania | chouchou_: you need to bench |
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| 09:31.55 | chouchou_ | explaon |
| 09:31.58 | transylvania | with your application |
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| 09:32.13 | cantido | transylvania: I think it's a lost cause really ;) |
| 09:32.23 | chouchou_ | basic VPC |
| 09:32.25 | cantido | chouchou_: so you have a dedi you need to make money out of? |
| 09:32.30 | chouchou_ | VPS for web shitin |
| 09:32.57 | Kiirani | cantido - ah excellent, looks like it's all largely set up how I need it. Cheers :D |
| 09:33.22 | chouchou_ | pls answer, I am in a class please |
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| 09:33.34 | cantido | Kiirani: not having to update WP on lots of sites, priceless |
| 09:33.52 | cantido | chouchou_: thats a question for an exam? |
| 09:33.57 | transylvania | chouchou_: serving a small static site without traffic is really different than a huge crm with thousands of users, you can't predict ressource usage like that |
| 09:34.05 | Kiirani | The sad part is I'm actually not going to have lots of sites. I'm just morally opposed to being restricted to one :/ |
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| 09:34.17 | chouchou_ | 100 users |
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| 09:35.46 | transylvania | chouchou_: we can't answer, there'is no simple answer |
| 09:36.05 | cantido | Kiirani: with only one site you still have security updates taken care of by apt :) |
| 09:36.11 | transylvania | or maybe I'am wrong and the answer is 42 |
| 09:37.01 | Kiirani | cantido - Yes, that's why I'm installing through apt and not manually... The server admin told me I have to for exactly that reason :p |
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| 09:38.23 | TheBase | hello |
| 09:39.33 | TheBase | Does anybody know if after changing a .pc file at /usr/lib/pkgconfig I have to reload it some how ? |
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| 09:42.26 | TheBase | also do I need to re-run anything after setting PKG_CONFIG_PATH? |
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| 09:44.08 | raidghost | To use 1280x720p (do i need to use some spesical options to make it working propperly?) |
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| 09:45.28 | ajavid | when dh is invoked with '--with quilt' and it quilt is not installed on the system, it fails with '--with quilt not supported'. dh: --with quilt not supported or failed to load module Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::quilt dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2. quilt: Installed: 0.46-6 |
| 09:45.33 | ajavid | I have quilt installed |
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| 09:45.46 | ajavid | what the heck is going on :( at 5 in the morning |
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| 09:49.52 | karme | hi! just out of curiousity and because i just thought about general debian package build and distribution infrastructure: how many debian developers do i trust? |
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| 09:54.55 | lsd | ff |
| 09:55.07 | lsd | oops, sorry |
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| 10:12.07 | liable | !ops PcBoys onjoin spam |
| 10:12.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: PcBoys onjoin spam |
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| 10:12.57 | cantoma | hey guys, how can i do a partition file system check to a usb pen stick? |
| 10:13.02 | RichiH | liable: ta |
| 10:13.11 | liable | back at ya |
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| 10:19.01 | catphish | is there a 64-bit xen netboot installer available? |
| 10:20.14 | petemc | catphish: netboot, or netinstall? |
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| 10:20.27 | catphish | netinstall |
| 10:20.58 | catphish | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/xen/ |
| 10:20.58 | catphish | similar to that |
| 10:21.07 | petemc | thats netboot |
| 10:21.34 | catphish | ok, my mistake |
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| 10:21.49 | petemc | just install amd64, then install xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 |
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| 10:22.48 | catphish | thanks petemc :) - now that you mention it, i remember doing it that way a long time ago |
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| 10:22.59 | mrAZ | debian installer hangs on select and install software. |
| 10:23.10 | catphish | my dom-0 is centos so i'm not terribly familiar with debian i;m afraid |
| 10:23.29 | petemc | catphish: do you want a domU ? |
| 10:23.38 | catphish | yep |
| 10:23.51 | catphish | all i need is the kernel and initrd so i can do a network install |
| 10:24.19 | petemc | catphish: there us a xen config file linked from the debian wiki that allows you to kick off an install of a domU |
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| 10:24.56 | catphish | petemc: i tried that but it pulls a 32-bit kernel, which seems to crash on my 64-bit dom0 |
| 10:25.09 | petemc | catphish: im sure it can be told to use 46bit |
| 10:25.14 | petemc | 64, even |
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| 10:25.48 | catphish | i thought so, but i can't find a 64-bit kernel online to link to - hence my original question, and the wiki says it supports 32-bit |
| 10:26.03 | catphish | http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#DomU.28guest.29 |
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| 10:37.31 | petemc | Gertm: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 10:40.11 | akraemer | hi ie made and apt-get update in etch and now if i try to do "adduser test i get: |
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| 10:40.25 | francis_ | how can you make sudo take the root pass instead of the user pass? |
| 10:40.25 | akraemer | Subroutine systemcall redefined at /usr/local/sbin/adduser line 889. |
| 10:40.25 | akraemer | adduser: Unbekannte Variable »DSHELL« in »/etc/adduser.conf«, Zeile 6. |
| 10:40.25 | akraemer | adduser: Unbekannte Variable »DHOME« in »/etc/adduser.conf«, Zeile 10. |
| 10:40.25 | akraemer | adduser: Unbekannte Variable »GROUPHOMES« in »/etc/adduser.conf«, Zeile 14. |
| 10:40.25 | akraemer | adduser: Unbekannte Variable »LETTERHOMES« in »/etc/adduser.conf«, Zeile 19. |
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| 10:40.27 | rumpsy | Hi everyone |
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| 10:41.13 | cantido | francis_: thats called su |
| 10:41.23 | rumpsy | I'm installed debian LENNY in my pc... And i'm having debain cd image 2.. how to install packages from that cd image?? |
| 10:41.37 | akraemer | anyone knows an solution?? |
| 10:41.44 | akraemer | cant find anything on google |
| 10:41.54 | akraemer | or bug list from debian |
| 10:42.20 | francis_ | cantido: no, there is a way to do it |
| 10:42.26 | cantido | akraemer: apt-cdrom |
| 10:42.31 | cantido | francis_: what would be the point? |
| 10:42.46 | cantido | francis_: the whole idea of sudo is not giving people the root password |
| 10:43.19 | francis_ | cantido: have the command available without having 3 passes that potentially have root access |
| 10:44.00 | francis_ | cantido: no, I won't be modifying user-specific sudo privs, I just want the command to work with the root pass... |
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| 10:44.01 | enouf | sudo su, like knoppix do |
| 10:44.02 | cantido | francis_: so you want to be able to execute commands as root, using the root pasword.. su -c "your command" |
| 10:44.03 | EugenMayer | can i forward from one custom chain to antoher? so i have a chain Custom0 and a Chain Custom1 ... every package INPUT from eth0 gets to custom, on INPUT eth1 to custom1... now i want iptables -A Custom1 -j Custom0 .. but thats not the correct way to do it, or? |
| 10:44.15 | akraemer | @cantido: it is an network install, dont know what you mean? |
| 10:44.33 | francis_ | cantido: I guess I could just alias su -c to sudo and remove sudo, hrm |
| 10:44.41 | francis_ | *sudo to su -c |
| 10:44.49 | cantido | akraemer: are you still installing or do you already have a system running? |
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| 10:45.08 | cantido | francis_: yes, but if they know the root password they can do what they like any way |
| 10:45.20 | akraemer | the system is running till years only made the last updates wher adduser was on the list. |
| 10:45.23 | enouf | akraemer: how did you get the 1st cdrom in the drive? |
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| 10:45.35 | francis_ | cantido: I know, I don't mind that -- there's two of us who have root access. But I'd rather just have one pass that has root access instead of 3 |
| 10:45.37 | akraemer | sources are only the etch sources from debian mirrors |
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| 10:45.55 | francis_ | no worries, I'll just su -c... |
| 10:45.58 | enouf | francis_: that's kind of ... silly |
| 10:46.01 | cantido | francis_: so don't install sudo |
| 10:46.06 | francis_ | right |
| 10:46.08 | francis_ | enouf: why? |
| 10:47.00 | enouf | but then anyone can install sudo -- wait why silly? 3 sysadmins on one box? silly |
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| 10:47.14 | francis_ | enouf: root+2 users |
| 10:47.16 | cantido | the idea of sudo is to allow people to have access to certain things as root,.. not to replace su for knowing the root password and doing stuff as su :/ |
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| 10:47.33 | francis_ | cantido: I know, just a force of habbit |
| 10:47.47 | akraemer | @francis_: you know wha causes this? |
| 10:47.48 | enouf | using sudo also logs in /var/log/auth* so you can see whom did what, when |
| 10:47.55 | cantido | francis_: make sudo an alias to su -c then |
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| 10:48.16 | francis_ | enouf: that's nice, is there a way to get that with su? |
| 10:48.35 | cantido | enouf: but if you know roots password, you dont need to use sudo ;) |
| 10:48.45 | Max-Headroom | hello |
| 10:48.53 | enouf | not that i'm aware of - but you seem to just have a sudo pet peeve :-P |
| 10:48.58 | Max-Headroom | i need of an information |
| 10:49.08 | francis_ | cantido: some people use sudo because it's less characters and quicker to type than su -c " " ;-) |
| 10:49.46 | enouf | cantido: indeed - but 3 root users on one box? well, 3 separate people knowing root passwd is .. silly :-P |
| 10:49.56 | cantido | installs sudo and configures it in some pointless way |
| 10:49.59 | francis_ | enouf: not 3 people. 2 people |
| 10:50.07 | enouf | still |
| 10:50.15 | enouf | just IMHO |
| 10:50.20 | enouf | nm me |
| 10:50.21 | francis_ | enouf: two people having root access on a server is silly? what? |
| 10:50.29 | francis_ | it's a VPS |
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| 10:50.39 | cantido | francis_: you can setup pam_wheel to lock down su |
| 10:50.46 | cantido | ala BSD |
| 10:50.56 | Max-Headroom | was solved the problem: http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1872 |
| 10:51.02 | akraemer | noone any idea? |
| 10:51.44 | cantido | Max-Headroom: hint; look for "fixed in" |
| 10:52.17 | Max-Headroom | where ? |
| 10:52.26 | enouf | francis_: at the same time, yes .. how would one blame the _other_ guy when it goes tits up? |
| 10:52.50 | francis_ | enouf: nothing will be going tits up, don't worry -- we're both capable ;) |
| 10:52.57 | cantido | Max-Headroom: there's a massive list of fixed packages! |
| 10:54.04 | agb67 | is away: Per ora assente |
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| 10:56.32 | lsd | www.apache.org |
| 10:56.36 | lsd | hehe |
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| 10:57.17 | cantido | lighttpd wtf |
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| 10:57.49 | Max-Headroom | CVE-2009-2698; # |
| 10:57.49 | Max-Headroom | # CVE-2009-2846; CVE-2009-2847; CVE-2009-2848; CVE-2009-2849 |
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| 10:58.20 | Max-Headroom | these ones are on http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1872 |
| 10:58.44 | rumpsy | i'm not having internet and i want to install some packages from debian cd2... how could i??? |
| 10:59.06 | rumpsy | help me in this case |
| 10:59.09 | enouf | you were told, apt-cdrom |
| 10:59.37 | rumpsy | enouf: thank you ,,, |
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| 11:00.08 | CharminTheMoose | hey enouf |
| 11:00.14 | enouf | m00sh! |
| 11:00.33 | rumpsy | enouf: i not seen that.. sorry for that.. Thank you for your kind response |
| 11:00.34 | CharminTheMoose | question guys, what application can I use to take pictures/videos from my webcam on linux? |
| 11:00.51 | EugenMayer | how to let dhcp3 server only listen on a specici interface? |
| 11:00.58 | cantido | Max-Headroom: it's very rare that a DSA doesnt come with a list of fixed packages |
| 11:01.21 | enouf | rumpsy: no, my apologies, was a different nick - unless you're that same user |
| 11:01.22 | mquin | CharminTheMoose: take a look at 'cheese' |
| 11:01.37 | EugenMayer | solved |
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| 11:02.45 | cantido | thinks theres one called capture.. |
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| 11:03.16 | enouf | xvidcap? |
| 11:04.09 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, that only captures your windowmanager.... |
| 11:04.15 | CharminTheMoose | Not from an externel webcam |
| 11:04.20 | Max-Headroom | :-( |
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| 11:04.52 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: eww |
| 11:05.03 | cantido | CharminTheMoose: I think imagemagick can do it |
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| 11:06.16 | cantido | webcam - that one takes a png and optionally uploads it somewhere |
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| 11:13.13 | dpkg | <purplepenguins> I can't get double buffering to work <Flashylight> just add some ketchup |
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| 11:27.41 | lsd | cool |
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| 11:32.18 | NicoOOoOo | quelqu'un a une idée, sur comment avoir un numéro de l'hopital de viana au portugual |
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| 11:47.40 | grazymax | hi all |
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| 11:53.01 | anewbie | hello there i make some hardware changes in my debian lenny box and i change few Network interfaces and now one of them have name eth3_rename_ren |
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| 11:53.07 | anewbie | i wanto to change that adn read for udev |
| 11:53.14 | anewbie | i use that one KERNEL=="eth3_rename_ren, SYSFS{0xe400}=="00:e0:4c:51:72:25", NAME="eth3_rtl8139" |
| 11:53.32 | anewbie | but recive that output bash: SYSFS{0xe400}==00:e0:4c:51:72:25,: command not found |
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| 11:53.42 | anewbie | cane some one guide me where i am wrong |
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| 11:56.52 | abrotman | anewbie: wtf are you trying to do? |
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| 11:57.09 | anewbie | abrotman, .... just to change the name of the interface |
| 11:57.10 | anewbie | :) |
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| 11:58.37 | anewbie | i read about it here |
| 11:58.38 | anewbie | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm |
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| 12:01.03 | goku_5livello | salve |
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| 12:09.18 | abrotman | anewbie: change it to what ? |
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| 12:11.34 | goku_5livello | hello |
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| 12:12.59 | MrWax | does there exist some option in Elinks for opening a link you have highlighted in the browser in a new tab? like there is in firefox ? |
| 12:13.30 | goku_5livello | i'have got ebian server |
| 12:13.38 | anewbie | abrotman, to eth3 |
| 12:13.44 | anewbie | or eth3_rtl8139 |
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| 12:18.04 | abrotman | anewbie: ifrename, or /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 12:19.06 | FilipeMaia | How can I display the equivalent of %~ in tcsh? |
| 12:19.20 | FilipeMaia | which is the pwd relative to the users home directory |
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| 12:19.46 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:20.03 | FilipeMaia | I mean in tcsh |
| 12:20.13 | anewbie | abrotman, thx |
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| 12:20.39 | FilipeMaia | in the prompt i can use %~ to display the current directory relative to the home directory. How to do that in normal tcsh |
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| 12:25.20 | cH40z-Lord | is there any command to replace a specific value with another value inside a bash-script ? |
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| 12:25.46 | cH40z-Lord | I want to replace \n with another value ( not sure atm which one :P )... to save XML-Specifications |
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| 12:27.53 | abrotman | sed |
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| 12:29.00 | cH40z-Lord | do you have any example for me :) ? |
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| 12:29.24 | Bushmills | cH40z-Lord: A=ABCD ; echo ${A/BC/XY} |
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| 12:29.55 | cydork | abrotman: sed for \n ? |
| 12:29.59 | cH40z-Lord | cool o.o |
| 12:30.33 | abrotman | cydork: why not? |
| 12:30.40 | cH40z-Lord | so I could use ${myValue/\n/blubb} for example ? |
| 12:30.48 | cH40z-Lord | or do I need any escaping for \ ? |
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| 12:30.58 | abrotman | cydork: unless i misunderstood .. he could use tr too i usppose |
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| 12:33.16 | cH40z-Lord | hmm |
| 12:33.25 | cH40z-Lord | I get bad substitution inside my script :P |
| 12:33.29 | cydork | abrotman: yeah sed sucks ass for that it will be like sed -n '1h;2,$H;${g;s/\n/,/g;p}' test.txt |
| 12:33.45 | abrotman | cydork: just replace \n .. no? |
| 12:33.51 | cH40z-Lord | <log>${$log/\n/!!n!!}</log> |
| 12:34.12 | cydork | abrotman: sed doesn't do newlines. |
| 12:34.15 | cH40z-Lord | I just want to replace all \n inside of $log for example with !!n!! :D something unique to replace it later again |
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| 12:35.10 | abrotman | cydork: it can, but anyways .. |
| 12:35.14 | cydork | cH40z-Lord: what i said sed -n '1h;2,$H;${g;s/\n/!!n!!/g;p}' |
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| 12:35.51 | groulder | i don't support debian using dash |
| 12:35.53 | groulder | they should be using zsh |
| 12:36.01 | groulder | as it is the best shell and everyone understands that |
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| 12:37.12 | abrotman | groulder: do you understand why they're using dash? |
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| 12:39.40 | cH40z-Lord | thanks cydork :) |
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| 12:41.28 | abrotman | cydork: i've done it before i'm pretty sure, can't remmeber now .. oh well |
| 12:41.32 | groulder | yeah |
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| 12:41.41 | groulder | because it's lightweight and useless |
| 12:41.48 | abrotman | groulder: you lose .. have a nice day |
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| 12:59.44 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:59.44 | dpkg | <Brian_L> cd #debian-64 |
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| 13:04.07 | moldy | hi |
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| 13:05.18 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:05.18 | dpkg | <js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted? |
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| 13:06.38 | abrotman | maybe more of a FLW |
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| 13:07.08 | marcel_ | hi, im running debian sid what would be the nicest/cleanest way to install the latest firefox? |
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| 13:08.37 | Titan8990_ | marcel_, you can't the word nice or clean in the same sentence as sid |
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| 13:09.04 | abrotman | marcel_: 3.5.x is in experimental |
| 13:09.17 | abrotman | marcel_: i assume you mean iceweasel .. not firefox |
| 13:09.43 | Titan8990_ | abrotman, my testing with that was not good |
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| 13:10.02 | abrotman | Titan8990_: i didn't say it was a good idea .. he just asked how |
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| 13:10.29 | abrotman | he's running sid .. he should know how to fix the broken parts |
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| 13:11.13 | Trewas | marcel_: just download .tar.gz from the upstream and unpack it somewhere |
| 13:11.27 | abrotman | oh, even worse! |
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| 13:12.30 | Trewas | it doesn't require installing, everything is under one directory... can be your home directory so that automagic upgrades work fine |
| 13:12.36 | Trewas | but not so nice for multi-user systems |
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| 13:13.55 | Trewas | but the channel has been surprisingly quiet about yet another win for debian, first phone running debian (well based on debian) will be released soon :) |
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| 13:14.59 | abrotman | don't think that's the first one |
| 13:15.29 | Trewas | well nokia released a few internet tablets before, which were nice phones but could not make calls |
| 13:15.44 | Trewas | n900 fixes that problem |
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| 13:15.55 | abrotman | you could put debian on the openmoko if you wanted, and i think on the g1, and ISTR an older phone (a few years ago) |
| 13:16.14 | PerryRhodan | How could I replace an \n in bash? |
| 13:16.16 | PerryRhodan | :) |
| 13:16.38 | abrotman | didn't we just cover this? |
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| 13:19.37 | morpheuss | hi all |
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| 13:20.14 | morpheuss | is it possible to upgrade from i386 to i686 for athlon 4 bit |
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| 13:21.24 | abrotman | upgrade what? |
| 13:21.30 | enouf | morpheuss: huh? |
| 13:21.30 | morpheuss | os |
| 13:21.33 | petemc | morpheuss: debian installs with a 486 kernel, and you can easily install a 686 kernel |
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| 13:21.58 | abrotman | morpheuss: you want all the packages recompiled for a 686 ? |
| 13:22.23 | morpheuss | mine is a athlon 64 bit processor |
| 13:22.34 | morpheuss | i accidently installed 486 |
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| 13:22.48 | enouf | you didn't |
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| 13:23.40 | enouf | you might've accidentally installed the i386 port - and you want amd64 port instead = depends |
| 13:23.55 | StCyr | I think if you want 64bits support you should install the amd64 port |
| 13:24.09 | morpheuss | ok |
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| 13:24.23 | enouf | but as petemc mentioned, the i386 port installs/uses a -486 kernel as base |
| 13:25.03 | swellie | morpheuss, my machine is AMD64 as well and I use the 64bit port. I've tried other options, and it works best to use the 64bit |
| 13:25.04 | morpheuss | so hardware features i may be able to use completely |
| 13:25.06 | enouf | which can easily be changed to a -686 kernel |
| 13:25.25 | morpheuss | great |
| 13:25.28 | morpheuss | thanks |
| 13:25.45 | transylvania | morpheuss: 64bits port allow you to address more than 2GB per process |
| 13:25.47 | transylvania | mainly |
| 13:26.21 | StCyr | enouf: the i686 port is not 64bits |
| 13:26.21 | morpheuss | ya |
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| 13:26.38 | StCyr | afaik |
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| 13:26.53 | enouf | handles more than 4G RAM much niceer than -bigmem w/PAE |
| 13:27.07 | enouf | StCyr: no, it's 32bit x86 |
| 13:27.33 | transylvania | enouf: for the kernel, but in 32B mode, application can't have more than 2GB |
| 13:27.51 | enouf | transylvania: not true |
| 13:27.54 | karme | transylvania: i thought 3g - but ok |
| 13:28.04 | enouf | it is ~3G |
| 13:28.14 | transylvania | you can have a 64b kernel that handle well memory and a 32b userland |
| 13:28.20 | enouf | ~4G in theory |
| 13:28.25 | StCyr | and, from my experience, amd64 is not as well tested |
| 13:28.29 | StCyr | though very good |
| 13:28.51 | karme | had no problems with amd64 so far |
| 13:29.19 | transylvania | and 32b application in a 64b environnement |
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| 13:31.10 | debian_d | can't copy and paste files from vfat drive. cat /etc/fstab /dev/hda7 /media/ddir vfat defaults 0 0 |
| 13:31.35 | debian_d | can't copy and paste files from vfat drive. cat /etc/fstab /dev/hda7 /media/ddir vfat defaults 0 0 , permission denied. |
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| 13:32.35 | llutz | debian_d: "defaults" won't work with vfat, use uid/gid+umask |
| 13:32.37 | StCyr | debian_d: defaults might not be good |
| 13:33.08 | debian_d | llutz: can you give the complete line ? |
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| 13:34.03 | mrfree | hi all |
| 13:34.14 | debian_d | /dev/hda7 /media/Ddrive vfat rw,user 0 0 is it correct now ? |
| 13:34.16 | llutz | debian_d: assuming your 1st created User: /dev/hda7 /media/ddir vfat uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0002 0 0 |
| 13:34.44 | llutz | debian_d: "man mount" tells you more |
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| 13:35.04 | mrfree | should I need to add a file "modulename.conf" containing "blacklist modulename" for each module to blacklist a module?? can I simply create a file containing multiple "blacklist " rows? |
| 13:35.29 | llutz | mrfree: you can |
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| 13:38.14 | debian_d | llutz: what does it mean by uid=1000 ? |
| 13:38.24 | debian_d | llutz: why 1000? |
| 13:38.36 | llutz | debian_d: thats the user-id (uid) of your first user |
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| 13:38.57 | llutz | debian_d: type "id" as user in a terminal, see the output |
| 13:40.18 | debian_d | llutz: thank you. |
| 13:40.40 | debian_d | llutz: how does this number assigned? any rules? |
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| 13:41.09 | llutz | debian_d: full access for all users, not recommended: /dev/hda7 /media/ddir vfat umask=000,rw 0 0 |
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| 13:41.20 | morpheuss | see /etc/passwd debian_d |
| 13:41.22 | iluminator101 | How do i add a symbolic link for a startup program? |
| 13:41.23 | llutz | debian_d: it's counted from 1000 up when creating users |
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| 13:41.50 | llutz | debian_d: see /etc/adduser.conf |
| 13:42.25 | enouf | transylvania: just so you can see for yourself; find the file ./arch/x86/Kconfig in the kernel source ; locate |
| 13:42.27 | Titan8990_ | iluminator101, more detail... goal? you want a startup program to create a symlink? |
| 13:42.28 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.31 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.52 | debian_d | morpheuss: llutz: thanks |
| 13:43.05 | morpheuss | hehehe |
| 13:43.25 | iluminator101 | Titan8990:dbus link is not on startup i want to add it |
| 13:43.32 | debian_d | llutz: what does it mean by umask? if i type umask in terminal the result is : 0022 |
| 13:43.37 | iluminator101 | dbus * |
| 13:43.43 | enouf | debian_d: help umask |
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| 13:43.56 | Scurz | hi |
| 13:44.06 | morpheuss | debian_d, man umask |
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| 13:44.14 | llutz | debian_d: it's a bitmask affecting permissions |
| 13:44.30 | morpheuss | lol |
| 13:44.43 | enouf | debian_d: /msg dpkg umask |
| 13:44.47 | Scurz | Is it normal that DNS caches don't update ? After 3 days, they still keep the same IP for a domain (its IP changed 3 days ago) |
| 13:44.47 | Titan8990_ | iluminator101, whenever dbus is installed in debian it is automatically added to startup unless changed manually.... |
| 13:44.58 | Titan8990_ | iluminator101, anyways, the command your looking for is update-rc.d |
| 13:45.13 | fireba11 | Scurz: some DNS servers keep records in the cache for 7 days no matter what the dns record says about it |
| 13:45.15 | Titan8990_ | iluminator101, it creates the symlinks for you in the right locations |
| 13:45.49 | debian_d | morpheuss: man umask doesn't work |
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| 13:45.54 | Scurz | fireba11: ok |
| 13:45.57 | morpheuss | ya i know |
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| 13:46.09 | morpheuss | google it debian_d |
| 13:46.33 | debian_d | morpheuss: yea, |
| 13:46.42 | fireba11 | Scurz: i'd considder such a configuration buggy though |
| 13:46.43 | llutz | [15:43] <enouf> debian_d: help umask |
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| 13:46.50 | Psi-Jack_ | OKay, so this is wierd. I hit cd <tab><tab>and end up getting: cd -sh: <( compgen -d -- '' ): No such file or directory |
| 13:47.01 | StCyr | I always wondered if different umask could be applied to different (etx3) partitions... |
| 13:47.08 | Mihasi | hi all, could anyone please help me out with getting alsa to work on my system? |
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| 13:47.27 | Psi-Jack_ | AHA! |
| 13:47.30 | Scurz | fireba11: and if the domain's IP is ok (it changed) but the MX of the domain has still the same IP for certain dns caches, is it normal too? I must wait ? |
| 13:47.35 | debian_d | llutz: what's the difference between umask=0002 and umask=0022 ?? |
| 13:47.37 | Psi-Jack_ | The problem seems to be when the login shell is sh, instead of bash! |
| 13:47.41 | StCyr | alsactl? |
| 13:47.41 | Scurz | Mihasi: ask, don't ask to ask |
| 13:47.44 | iluminator101 | Titan8990: so dbus updat-rc.d or ln -s /etc/init.d/dbus / /etc/rc2.d/S14dbus |
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| 13:47.58 | debian_d | llutz: you suggested to use umask=0002 in /etc/fstab |
| 13:48.00 | Mihasi | Scurz, what do you mean? |
| 13:48.10 | abrotman | iluminator101: did you try `man update-rc.d` ? |
| 13:48.12 | Mihasi | Scurz, nevermind, got it now |
| 13:48.24 | StCyr | Mihasi: use alsactl |
| 13:48.27 | StCyr | in command line |
| 13:48.41 | Psi-Jack_ | There was a bug report on debian about this, but what's the official bug report site for debian? |
| 13:48.42 | llutz | StCyr: it's not an allowed mount-option for ext2/3 |
| 13:49.04 | StCyr | that's a pitty... |
| 13:49.38 | enouf | abrotman: what's with the backticks? |
| 13:49.39 | StCyr | shall i use ... <urg> vfat? |
| 13:49.41 | abrotman | Psi-Jack_: oddly .. bugs.debian.org |
| 13:49.47 | abrotman | enouf: bad habit .. don't ask |
| 13:49.49 | llutz | debian_d: umask=0002 + uid/gid or set umask=000 for writeaccess for all users |
| 13:49.52 | enouf | haha |
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| 13:50.01 | Titan8990_ | enouf, points out that its a command to be executed by bash? |
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| 13:50.19 | enouf | Titan8990_: indeed - not wanted for man page perusal |
| 13:50.21 | Scurz | Mihasi: example : domain's IP was 0.0.0, now it's 0.0.1, ok, all DNS caches are ok with the new IP, and the MX DNS's IP has changed, too, but certain DNS caches still keeps the old IP |
| 13:50.29 | abrotman | Titan8990_: but if they copy it verbatim .. the backticks would cause an issue |
| 13:50.40 | Mihasi | StCyr, I've tried configuring it with alsaconf, it sees my soundcard and it seems to add the right lines in /etc/modprobe.d/sound, but when I try to run alsamixer or check /proc/asounc/cards it says I have no soundcards |
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| 13:52.04 | debian_d | llutz: thank you |
| 13:52.28 | enouf | Psi-Jack_: yes, and bash completion is for bash ;-) |
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| 13:52.54 | StCyr | strange. maybe you can paste the output of 'cat /proc/asounc/cards' |
| 13:52.56 | debian_d | what's the easiest way to install firefox 3.5 in debian lenny? is it possible to install? |
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| 13:53.18 | morpheuss | you have iceweasel debian_d |
| 13:53.20 | CcSsNET | iceweasel |
| 13:53.29 | Mihasi | StCyr, --- no soundcards --- |
| 13:53.30 | enouf | debian_d: debian default umask for users is 0022, set in /etc/profile - for other FStypes, mounts,one might want a different umask |
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| 13:54.01 | morpheuss | debian_d, if you need it then downlaod script from mozilla's site |
| 13:54.09 | enouf | debian_d: one's shell's login dotfile can be used to override system default |
| 13:54.34 | abrotman | morpheuss: that's not true |
| 13:54.44 | Mihasi | StCyr, I'm building this system up from scratch, I've installed a standard system without DE from a Debian 5.0 netinst and the only software I've manually installed atm is alsa-base, alsa-utils, libasound2 and linux-sound-base |
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| 13:55.05 | enouf | Mihasi: try alsa and alsa-oss as well |
| 13:55.14 | morpheuss | abrotman, means? |
| 13:55.20 | Scurz | Mihasi: any ideas? |
| 13:55.22 | abrotman | means it's not true .. |
| 13:55.36 | StCyr | Mihasi: do you see somehing related to your sound card when running lspci? |
| 13:56.06 | enouf | lspci -nn | grep -i Multimedia? |
| 13:56.06 | morpheuss | abrotman, you have shell script of firefox |
| 13:56.12 | Mihasi | StCyr, yes, lspci lists my soundcard as a Multimedia Audio Controller |
| 13:56.29 | smacnay | just discovered that Sun's virtualbox package for Debian Lenny does not support 64 bit OSes. |
| 13:56.34 | enouf | Mihasi: paste output of my above command |
| 13:56.36 | abrotman | morpheuss: that doesn't even make sense |
| 13:56.48 | Mihasi | StCyr, normal output, ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 10) etc etc |
| 13:56.55 | morpheuss | let me check again |
| 13:57.20 | cantido | smacnay: as guests? |
| 13:57.53 | Mihasi | enouf, just a sec, I have to copy it manually since this is another pc |
| 13:59.17 | smacnay | cantido, yes - the term "guest" confuses me. I am installing (or trying to install) a 64bit OS on my currentl running AMD64 install of Deb sid. I have a 32bit OS already working. |
| 13:59.20 | Mihasi | 00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 [125d:1988] (rev 10) |
| 13:59.30 | smacnay | cantido, these would be guest OSes, I suppose. |
| 13:59.39 | cantido | smacnay: is your host os 64bit? |
| 13:59.48 | smacnay | cantido, yes |
| 14:00.00 | cantido | I thought recent versions of virtualbox alloweds 64bit guests on 32bit hosts.. stuff like that :/ |
| 14:00.10 | Titan8990_ | i thought it did too |
| 14:00.29 | enouf | Mihasi: is snd_es1968 loaded? |
| 14:00.34 | syslq78_ | is there something like free (for memory) for cpu? |
| 14:00.38 | smacnay | cantido, maybe I missed a setting on the config for this vm. |
| 14:00.41 | syslq78_ | I wish to see all cpu usage with one command |
| 14:00.48 | enouf | judd pciid 125d:1988 |
| 14:00.49 | judd | enouf: [125d:1988] is 'ES1988 Allegro-1' from 'ESS Technology' with kernel module 'snd-maestro3' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=125d:1988 http://wiki.debian.org/snd-maestro3 |
| 14:00.57 | cantido | syslq78_: top |
| 14:01.06 | enouf | oh - heh - Mihasi is snd-maestro3 loaded? |
| 14:01.10 | syslq78_ | cantido: top gives me listing by process no? |
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| 14:01.19 | smacnay | cantido, I got the vbox directly from Sun through one of their deb apt sources. I didn't d/l the 64 bit deb. |
| 14:01.33 | Mihasi | EnergyCoffee, snd-maestro3 is loaded (lsmod | grep snd to check, right?) |
| 14:01.39 | enouf | yep |
| 14:01.49 | cantido | smacnay: I have the non-free version installed too, pretty sure it can run 64bit guests |
| 14:02.04 | enouf | Mihasi: have you yet installed alsa-oss? dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base? |
| 14:02.06 | Mihasi | enouf, snd_es1968 isn't loaded though |
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| 14:02.11 | syslq78_ | cantido: I can awk and calculate from top I guess |
| 14:02.14 | cantido | smacnay: I'm sure I remember sun showing off that they had 64bit guests on 32bit hosts |
| 14:02.19 | enouf | Mihasi: that's ok, wrong module |
| 14:02.43 | smacnay | cantido, did you d/l the .deb or did you add their source and use apt to get it. |
| 14:02.46 | smacnay | cantido, ? |
| 14:02.50 | smacnay | cantido, sorry |
| 14:03.02 | cantido | syslq78_: you're looking to graph it or something? |
| 14:03.06 | Mihasi | enouf, alsa-oss is installed, trying dkpg-reconfigure linux-sound-base now |
| 14:03.14 | enouf | Mihasi: pastebin what's in /etc/modprobe.d/sound <-- or whichever file has settings |
| 14:03.14 | cantido | smacnay: I use their apt respository |
| 14:03.22 | syslq78_ | cantido: no just percentage that's all but I want single number not tree |
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| 14:03.44 | cantido | syslq78_: top has that right at the top of the display |
| 14:03.46 | Mihasi | enouf, okay, I did that command, chose ALSA as "Sound system to use" and now I'm back at the cl |
| 14:03.58 | smacnay | cantido, and lenny is the most recent, I believe. |
| 14:04.24 | enouf | Mihasi: ok, cat /proc/asound/cards says ? |
| 14:04.27 | syslq78_ | cantido: I'll cut that out, I need it for script, thanks, O have no idea how I missed it :) |
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| 14:04.44 | Mihasi | enouf, same as before, --- no soundcards --- |
| 14:04.52 | Mihasi | maybe I should try a reboot? |
| 14:04.54 | enouf | Mihasi: trythis /etc/init.d/alsa reset 0 |
| 14:04.58 | morpheuss | can we top >> ang grep |
| 14:05.02 | cantido | smacnay: I would confirm it for you.. building something at the moment though, need it to finish :) |
| 14:05.17 | enouf | Mihasi: no, not yet and you shouldn't have to - BTW, which DE? |
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| 14:05.39 | smacnay | cantido, no prob... I am in no rush. |
| 14:05.53 | Mihasi | enouf, -bash: /etc/init.d/alsa: No such file or directory |
| 14:05.54 | cantido | syslq78_: mmmm there's probably a way of getting a single line with those stats, maybe theres something in proc |
| 14:05.58 | smacnay | cantido, just creating a new "task" to chase down - the fun of computing for me. |
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| 14:06.05 | Mihasi | enouf, no DE, only terminal at the moment (I was planning on getting alsa to work first) |
| 14:06.06 | enouf | Mihasi: asorry - on Lenny, it's something else? /alsaconf ? |
| 14:06.58 | smacnay | cantido, is there a kde font package needed to make the vbox interface fonts appear nicer - they are jagged as can be right now. |
| 14:07.03 | enouf | sure thing - Mihasi , can you show me /etc/modprobe.d/sound contents? do one line at a time ; or /msg dpkg pastebinit (to use a pastebin) |
| 14:07.17 | cantido | I only really use virtualbox for running some shitty windows tools that have no replacement :/ |
| 14:07.30 | enouf | Mihasi: oh 'pgrep udevd' <-- produces a PID? |
| 14:07.36 | smacnay | cantido, just curious - maybe you don't have this problem - again, not a huge issue as I can still read them but it reminds me of the early Windows 3.0 days... :) |
| 14:07.38 | cantido | smacnay: mine is using my system wide fonts |
| 14:07.44 | Mihasi | enouf, yep |
| 14:07.51 | Mihasi | enouf, 827 to be precise |
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| 14:08.30 | enouf | Mihasi: hrm, maybe a dbus issue - run alsaconf again; modprobe snd_mixer_oss |
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| 14:08.40 | Mihasi | enouf, the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/sound are: |
| 14:08.52 | Mihasi | enouf, alias snd-card-0 snd-maestro3 |
| 14:08.59 | Mihasi | enouf, options snd-maestro3 index=0 |
| 14:09.14 | Psi-Jack_ | Heh |
| 14:09.14 | Mihasi | running alsaconf again as we speak |
| 14:09.32 | Psi-Jack_ | So, why doesn't the compgen from bash_completion work when you login as sh? |
| 14:09.59 | cantido | Psi-Jack_: because sh isn't bash |
| 14:10.06 | cantido | at least not anymore |
| 14:10.10 | Psi-Jack_ | But yet, it is, it's symlinked sh to bash |
| 14:10.44 | cantido | in stable, yes |
| 14:10.44 | enouf | Mihasi: echo "options snd-maestro3 index=0" >> /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 14:11.22 | Psi-Jack_ | Well, in stable, it still has the sh: <( compgen -d -- '' ): No such file or directory bug |
| 14:11.26 | Mihasi | ... |
| 14:11.28 | Mihasi | ................. |
| 14:11.30 | Psi-Jack_ | For tab completion. |
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| 14:11.49 | Psi-Jack_ | ONLY when you initially login with /bin/sh as your shell. |
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| 14:12.41 | Mihasi | enouf, okay, alsaconf and modprobe snd_mixer_oss completed |
| 14:13.07 | Mihasi | enouf, I also did your last command, but now there are two lines with "options snd-maestro3 index=0" in my /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 14:13.10 | enouf | Mihasi: try /proc/asound/cards once more; all i can say is 'modinfo snd-maestro3' see the 'parm:' (module parameter) lines, toy with some of those - tell me no ~/.asound* files exist please |
| 14:13.13 | Mihasi | enouf, is that right? |
| 14:14.07 | enouf | Mihasi: ooops .. i didn't see you post that line- comment one out please ;-) |
| 14:14.22 | ix | Is there any way i can truncate log files (redirected from stdout and stderr) so that they don't grow over a given size? |
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| 14:14.55 | ix | Like, I want an application to log the first 1MB of data and after that start discarding the old lines in the log file whilst pushing new data in. |
| 14:15.01 | Mihasi | enouf, /proc/asound/cards still reports no soundcards. should I copy the parm lines from modinfo? |
| 14:15.04 | enouf | Mihasi: but my last post prior stands - i have to goafk now, for a bit - bbl - let us know |
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| 14:15.34 | Mihasi | enouf, alright, thanks for the help |
| 14:15.37 | enouf | no, i see them here Mihasi - you might want to try a BPO kernel (.30) from /msg dpkg bpo |
| 14:15.43 | enouf | np |
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| 14:16.41 | Pericius | how can i get kernel version |
| 14:16.52 | cantido | Pericius: uname -r |
| 14:16.54 | Mihasi | Pericius, uname -r if I'm not mistaking |
| 14:17.05 | StCyr | uname -a |
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| 14:17.47 | Pericius | thanks |
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| 14:18.33 | Pericius | anyone has a link how to setup framebuffered consoles? i don't have or want xorg |
| 14:18.49 | cantido | Pericius: just text? |
| 14:18.55 | Pericius | cantido: yeah |
| 14:19.10 | Pericius | it's just a virtual box for rails dev |
| 14:19.38 | cantido | Pericius: see if there is a framebuffer module for you hardware, but you might find just setting the vga= option to a decent res will do |
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| 14:20.03 | Pericius | vga option where? |
| 14:20.27 | cantido | Pericius: sorry, it's a kernel parameter, so it's in your grub menu.lst |
| 14:20.45 | Pericius | cantido: thanks |
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| 14:21.16 | Pericius | cantido: does it has to be standard res, or i can go wild with the numbers? |
| 14:21.26 | Psi-Jack_ | Well, now.. That's interesting. |
| 14:21.49 | Psi-Jack_ | Debian's the ONLY distribution that has actually listed my hard disk drives as hdX, instead of sdX |
| 14:21.58 | cantido | Pericius: I'm not sure about newer kernels, but older ones it has to be a mode that's in the video bios |
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| 14:22.21 | cantido | Pericius: usually up to 1024x768 is in the video bios, wide modes etc aren't |
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| 14:22.59 | damasceno | What this dot do!? -> cp /usr/share/doc/equivs/examples/mail-transport-agent.ctl . |
| 14:23.08 | petemc | copies it to the current dir |
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| 14:23.38 | damasceno | petemc, thanks. |
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| 14:24.05 | petemc | np |
| 14:25.47 | abrotman | !beer petemc |
| 14:25.47 | dpkg | pours a quart of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for petemc |
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| 14:26.09 | petemc | it is nearly beer oclock alright |
| 14:26.11 | petemc | cheers! |
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| 14:36.04 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 14:36.39 | metalfan_ | git init is not working as expecte in debian etch. on ubuntu 8.04 it initiates a local git repo....why is it not the same command on etch? |
| 14:37.01 | RichiH | metalfan_: older git version |
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| 14:42.17 | unreal_delling | hey, guys. i have one question: i installed debian lenny, sound doesn't work. and alsaconf has been removed from packages. what should i do? i failed in trying to configure pulseaudio |
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| 14:43.58 | cantido | unreal_delling: pulseaudio isn't an alternative to alsa.. what do you mean by doesnt work? can you get alsamixer working? |
| 14:44.56 | unreal_delling | there are no sound when i test device in kde-setting utils, no sound in amarok, no system sound |
| 14:45.11 | unreal_delling | i turn on all sound in alsamixer |
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| 14:45.42 | unreal_delling | when i boot the system there is a notification that my sound card doesn't work |
| 14:46.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | hello I have a question I have an apache web server setup, a ruby on rails app and a pregresql database, what is the best automated way to back this information so if the hard drive crashes I can easily restore the data? |
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| 14:47.44 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, rails apps don't usually run on apache... |
| 14:47.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | I wonder if this would work maybe, have a clone of the drive to another drive then have the daya backed up incrimentally to the backup? |
| 14:47.56 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: did I say it did? |
| 14:47.56 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, anyways... tar or rsync for backups |
| 14:48.10 | smacnay | Anyone ever set up an address book server on a home network? Is it worth doing if various email apps are used on various OSes? |
| 14:48.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | rsync? |
| 14:48.34 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, the mac daddy of all incremental backup utilities |
| 14:48.38 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, man rsync |
| 14:48.53 | cantido | smacnay: lots of pim apps store address books over imap.. if you want a global one you could do something in LDAP |
| 14:48.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: basically if the system goes down I want to be able to restore it without having to manually reinstall my app, web server etc |
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| 14:49.09 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, right... which is why you should make backups |
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| 14:49.12 | cantido | THE_GFR|WORK: RAID? |
| 14:49.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | cantido: no I don't I have one 500GB drive |
| 14:49.37 | Titan8990_ | cantido, RAID is not a replacement for backup |
| 14:50.06 | cantido | Titan8990_: yes, but if he wants to get running from a drive failure with minimal fuss it's the only way |
| 14:50.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: so I'm thinking clone the data, then have the backup program move anything changed over to the backup drive hence incrimentally |
| 14:50.20 | Titan8990_ | cantido, that is true |
| 14:50.38 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, are you not listening to me? |
| 14:50.51 | THE_GFR|WORK | well actually a clone/incrimental backup would be the easiest solution it sounds like but maybe I'm missing something? |
| 14:50.57 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: I'm missing something then |
| 14:51.02 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, fire up a web browser, go to google and search for rsync |
| 14:51.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: ok |
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| 14:51.45 | Titan8990_ | or rsnapshot which is a perl wrapper around rsync |
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| 14:52.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: I guess what I'm really getting at is a clone of the whole drive, then an incrimental backup of only the changed files would be needed |
| 14:52.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: which is basically a mirroring with incrimental backup |
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| 14:53.24 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, idk what you want me to tell you |
| 14:53.24 | Cerulean | hi, I've just acquired a debian (4.0) server with a fresh install. I can't upgrade to 5.0, but I'd like to add some repositories with more modern packages. What's the standard way to do this? |
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| 14:53.37 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, acronis true image enterprise |
| 14:53.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: I want your thoughts on what I suggested |
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| 14:53.43 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, $1000 USD |
| 14:53.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: you don't get what I am getting at |
| 14:54.09 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, i get that you have your mind made up but continue to ask me |
| 14:54.22 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: I wondered if I cloned the drive to another drive is there a way to do an incrimental backup or is there a better solution? |
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| 14:54.45 | Titan8990_ | you could that with rsync too |
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| 14:54.51 | Titan8990_ | that you still haven't read about |
| 14:54.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | I mean after I clone the drive, if I change something on the main drive can it do the incrimental backup to the second drive |
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| 14:55.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: the site does not say if it can do that or not |
| 14:55.35 | Titan8990_ | maybe its because i spent a week learning rsync but you have only spent 5min |
| 14:55.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | I was reading the website Titan8990 |
| 14:56.01 | THE_GFR|WORK | under "features" |
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| 14:56.48 | xand | hm |
| 14:57.21 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: what would you do for backup aside from "use rsync" since I have not seen it in operation so I don't know for sure it can do what I need |
| 14:57.46 | xand | is it possible to get exim to use a username and password for smarthost authentication based on the address of the smarthost in the local configuration, rather than the name the smarthost gives when connecting? |
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| 14:58.08 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, if i didn't use rsync, i would use tar |
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| 14:58.43 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, which also does incremental backups in more of a "image" form |
| 14:59.01 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, but both make images of the filesystem, not the discs |
| 14:59.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: does it make sense to clone the drive whole drive, then do an incrimental backup or just the file system? |
| 14:59.49 | valdyn | Cerulean: why cant you upgrade? |
| 14:59.50 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, what does the drive contain that the filesystem doesn't? |
| 15:00.13 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: if I clone the drive and it goes down all I have to do is slide the backup drive in until I get a new main drive |
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| 15:00.51 | THE_GFR|WORK | so basically it contains everything needed to boot? |
| 15:00.57 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, what does a filesystem backup lack that prevents you from doing that (also, that won't work if /etc/fstab uses UUIDs) |
| 15:01.10 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, everything except for grub in the MBR |
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| 15:01.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | yea |
| 15:01.37 | valdyn | xand: whats that good for ? using a different name when the ns lookup changed? |
| 15:01.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | but if I just clone it then do incrimental backup when the system goes down I can just put in the backup drive and boot up... |
| 15:01.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | saves a lot of time there |
| 15:02.13 | xand | valdyn: the smarthost isn't one machine |
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| 15:02.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | it sounds like to me |
| 15:02.20 | xand | it's load-balanced |
| 15:02.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | unless I am missing something |
| 15:02.31 | xand | but behind the same address |
| 15:02.33 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, why wouldn't you just implement a RAID1 |
| 15:02.38 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, and still backup |
| 15:02.58 | valdyn | xand: I didnt think that poses a problem at all |
| 15:03.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: I don't have money for multiple drives ( more then 2 ) |
| 15:03.15 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, two is all thats needed for raid 1 |
| 15:03.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | Titan8990: you said "and still backup" |
| 15:03.30 | xand | valdyn: it does, because I don't know what name the smarthost will announce itself as, and exim uses that name to find credentials in passwd.client |
| 15:03.32 | Titan8990_ | THE_GFR|WORK, unless you wanted a hot spare |
| 15:03.33 | pipeline | THE_GFR|WORK: hard drives actually aren't very reliable when powered off |
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| 15:03.42 | xand | it does not use the name I'm telling it to connect to |
| 15:03.47 | pipeline | THE_GFR|WORK: you have very little to lose from using your "backup" drive for redundancy |
| 15:04.03 | pipeline | THE_GFR|WORK: of course, it is convenient to be able to restore last week's backup if you delete something stupid :) |
| 15:04.13 | edju | I can't get the multimedia keys working. Relevant items are at http://paste.debian.net/45225/. It all seems OK to me but I must be missing something. Is there a file other than ~/.Xmodmap involved? |
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| 15:04.55 | valdyn | authmailonline.kundenserver.de:name:password |
| 15:05.03 | THE_GFR|WORK | I guess I just need to get it setup to clone the drive then do an incrimental backup to the cloned drive so I can just swap in the backup drive if the main goes down |
| 15:05.08 | valdyn | xand: the first part is *not* the dns domain name? |
| 15:05.13 | THE_GFR|WORK | that's what it sounds like to me |
| 15:05.15 | justin | edju: you shouldn't have to touch that file |
| 15:05.17 | xand | valdyn: it may be |
| 15:05.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | but I'm not sure if I'm missing something or not |
| 15:05.37 | valdyn | xand: youre confused I think |
| 15:05.41 | xand | no I'm not |
| 15:05.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | hmm |
| 15:05.59 | xand | iff I put the name returned by the 220 line in my passwd.client it works |
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| 15:06.24 | xand | if I put the DNS name I'm using, it doesn't work |
| 15:06.33 | xand | http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-swedish/2004/09/msg00162.html&ei=Ue2XSuKiCOXRjAf0k_TzCw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522501%2Bauth%2Bexchange%2Bcancelled%2522%2Bexim%2Bsmarthost%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26hs%3DamN%26sa%3DG |
| 15:06.38 | xand | that describes the issue |
| 15:06.42 | valdyn | xand: look, im putting the name gmail-smtp.l.google.com in passwd.client and the 220 line is mx.google.com |
| 15:06.58 | xand | valdyn: ok then, why doesn't it work for me |
| 15:07.02 | valdyn | xand: i wonder |
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| 15:07.18 | edju | justin, .Xmodmap? Without running xmodmap on it, xev doesn't return anything. |
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| 15:08.08 | justin | edju: try reconfiguring X to have the propper keyboard type |
| 15:08.36 | xand | valdyn: I guess it might be changed in more recent exims, this one is a bit old |
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| 15:08.57 | valdyn | xand: maybe |
| 15:09.02 | xand | it's 4.63 |
| 15:09.04 | valdyn | xand: my setup is not in use for a while though |
| 15:09.34 | edju | justin, How might I find what keyboard type I now have set? |
| 15:09.36 | xand | I'm not too bothered as I'm scrapping the server in a few days, but it seems a strange way for it to (not) work |
| 15:09.48 | valdyn | xand: maybe theres a different issue |
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| 15:10.10 | xand | perhaps, but all I did to fix it was change the name in passwd.client |
| 15:10.20 | valdyn | xand: since exim4 only seems to match your smarthost dns name you configured it to use to the name found in passwd.client |
| 15:10.24 | netyire | hello fluffy teddy bears! |
| 15:11.17 | justin | edju: grep Keyb /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:11.21 | valdyn | xand: gmail-smtp.l.google.com is my configured smarthost, mail-bw0-f83.google.com is what replies when i ping it, 220 mx.google.com ESMTP 11sm1707336bwz.47 |
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| 15:12.38 | valdyn | xand: what is mail-v-s ? |
| 15:12.42 | justin | edju: though, my laptop says pc104 and the MM keys work, so maybe you dont have to configure it as a MM keyboard anymore |
| 15:13.51 | xand | valdyn: no idea |
| 15:14.08 | valdyn | aptitude on sid broke |
| 15:14.10 | valdyn | duh |
| 15:14.12 | valdyn | apt-get too |
| 15:14.14 | edju | justin, It says pc105 - I think that's right. But, I notice that it says (**) Keyboard0: CustomKeycodes disabled. Is that relevant? |
| 15:14.22 | valdyn | maybe that is libapt then |
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| 15:14.49 | xand | valdyn: that's not my post, it's someone else with the same issue. in any case I changed my config back and it fails again |
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| 15:15.34 | yopla | hello all |
| 15:15.44 | Cerulean | valdyn: the VPS host does not support 5.0 yet. |
| 15:16.30 | yopla | I've got troubles with Intel G41 graphic card |
| 15:16.36 | valdyn | Cerulean: whats your kernel version? |
| 15:16.56 | yopla | lenny 2.6.26 (all standard) |
| 15:17.46 | yopla | X server seems not stable |
| 15:18.11 | jelly | judd: versions dovecot |
| 15:18.12 | judd | jelly: dovecot -- |
| 15:18.24 | jelly | judd: versions dovecot-imapd |
| 15:18.25 | judd | jelly: dovecot-imapd -- etch: 1.0.rc15-2etch4 etch-security: 1.0.rc15-2etch4 etch-backports: 1:1.0.15-2.3~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3 lenny-backports: 1:1.1.13-2~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1:1.1.16-1 sid: 1:1.2.2-2 |
| 15:18.29 | justin | edju: not sure... it's been years since I had to manually configure keys |
| 15:18.40 | Cerulean | valdyn: 2.6.18-14 |
| 15:19.16 | valdyn | Cerulean: *maybe* that is ok to run lenny |
| 15:19.40 | edju | justin, OK, thanks. I'll keep searching. |
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| 15:20.32 | yopla | symptom : startx then logoff then startx again |
| 15:20.42 | yopla | result : PC hangs with black screen |
| 15:20.52 | yopla | but not all the time |
| 15:21.57 | Cerulean | valdyn: i.e. put lenny in my sources.list and dist-upgrading? |
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| 15:27.12 | valdyn | dpkg: apt breakage is <reply>apt 0.7.23 segfaults. Installing an older version and pinning it at priority 9999 works around this. "/msg dpkg pinning". See http://packages.debian.org/ for the (older) squeeze package. |
| 15:27.12 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
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| 15:29.22 | valdyn | dpkg: apt breakage =~ s#http://packages.debian.org#http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apt# |
| 15:29.23 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
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| 15:35.28 | nvz | There is an issue on this up-to-date Lenny box with iceweasel crashing quite frequently, doesn't seem related to any specific kind of content nor can I reproduce a crash trying to do the same thing twice.. but running from a terminal it gives me "Illegal instruction" when it crashes. What else can I try to narrow down whats causing the crash? |
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| 15:36.17 | ajavid | good morning |
| 15:36.53 | nvz | I suppose.. if a good morning is an 18mo old bleeding from her head cause her 4 1/2 year old brother gets too rough.. |
| 15:37.09 | ajavid | when dh is invoked with '--with quilt' and it quilt is not installed on the system, it fails with '--with quilt not supported'. dh: --with quilt not supported or failed to load module Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::quilt dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2. quilt: Installed: 0.46-6 |
| 15:37.23 | ajavid | what the heck is going on |
| 15:37.29 | ajavid | quite clearly I've quilt installed |
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| 15:37.51 | ajavid | #!/usr/bin/make -f |
| 15:37.51 | ajavid | %: dh --with quilt $@ |
| 15:38.03 | ajavid | anyone? |
| 15:38.04 | enouf | ajavid: where is quilt installed? i mean, it in /usr/local/ ? |
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| 15:38.12 | ajavid | wherever debian installs it |
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| 15:38.21 | enouf | ok, fair enough |
| 15:38.27 | enouf | dpkg -L quilt :-p |
| 15:38.27 | dpkg | No packages found matching quilt :-p |
| 15:38.32 | ajavid | enouf, /usr/bin/quilt |
| 15:38.36 | enouf | aye |
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| 15:39.53 | enouf | ajavid: is it supposed to be --with-quilt (note the extra hyphen), and what dh_ are you running? |
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| 15:40.42 | nvz | basically what I am asking about this iceweasel issue is there some way I can wrap it with a debugger or something to gather more info about why its crashing than just "illegal instruction" since it usually doesn't do it when I am looking or using it. |
| 15:41.19 | enouf | dh sequence [--with addon[,addon,...]] [--until cmd] [--before cmd] [--after cmd] [--remaining] guess not |
| 15:41.30 | nvz | they've even told me at times it crashes X along with it |
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| 15:41.36 | ajavid | yeah |
| 15:41.37 | ajavid | sorry |
| 15:41.43 | ajavid | I can't beleive I missed a fucking hyphen |
| 15:41.47 | ajavid | wtf was that all about... |
| 15:41.52 | valdyn | nvz: you need to find out if its consistently crashing at the same instructions |
| 15:41.59 | nvz | but the only crash I've manage to produce outputs "Illegal instruction" on the terminal |
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| 15:42.18 | ajavid | enouf, yeah i know my configure options are always --with-something |
| 15:42.18 | valdyn | nvz: you can gdb iceweasel |
| 15:42.24 | ajavid | enouf, I can't beleive I missed the typo |
| 15:42.30 | ajavid | gododamit i feel retarded now |
| 15:42.32 | valdyn | nvz: theres also iceweasel-dbg |
| 15:42.43 | ajavid | its alright |
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| 15:42.45 | nvz | valdyn: well the one crash I produced I just went from the google start page, to vehix.com, then to cars.com and it just crashed.. so idk.. typically they are doing something flash or php based when it crashes I am guessing |
| 15:43.00 | enouf | ajavid: the Synopsis says you way was correct |
| 15:43.09 | ajavid | dpkg-buildpackage: binary only upload (no source included) |
| 15:43.14 | ajavid | beautiful |
| 15:43.19 | enouf | s/you/your/ |
| 15:43.23 | ajavid | now to run lintian |
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| 15:43.36 | ajavid | I'm trying to get php5-gtk finally built and cleaned again so I can upload |
| 15:43.38 | nvz | valdyn: thats my thought is to find out what specifically is happening that causes it, but its not my machine and doesn't typically do it for me.. so I need some way to create data for me to look at while they're using it |
| 15:43.44 | enouf | is confused :-( |
| 15:43.53 | valdyn | nvz: "gdp iceweasel |
| 15:43.53 | ajavid | i filed an itp a fewmonths ago and still haven't had the tiem to package it again |
| 15:43.58 | ajavid | enouf, why are you confused |
| 15:43.59 | valdyn | nvz: "gdb iceweasel" |
| 15:44.02 | enouf | gdb? |
| 15:44.05 | enouf | heh |
| 15:44.08 | nvz | :-P |
| 15:44.08 | ajavid | enouf, i try not to think too much about man page bullshits |
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| 15:44.17 | enouf | ajavid: read what i posted and wrote |
| 15:44.19 | valdyn | nvz: *after* you installed iceweasel-dbg and print the stack trace after it crashed |
| 15:44.21 | ajavid | enouf, i did |
| 15:45.05 | ajavid | hmm |
| 15:45.35 | nvz | valdyn: I'm thinking a stack trace may not be useful to me, I'd most likely have to forward that to the devs |
| 15:45.36 | ajavid | looks like there is going to be a need for another php.ini in debian, belonding to the /etc/php5/gtk/php.ini |
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| 15:45.41 | ajavid | hmm |
| 15:45.51 | ajavid | ok |
| 15:46.04 | nvz | valdyn: but I guess this problem is beyond my scope to begin with so.. |
| 15:46.13 | ajavid | or i could use the one from php cli |
| 15:46.14 | ajavid | i wonder |
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| 15:46.38 | ajavid | you know i stil haven't send that email to the debian php team :/ |
| 15:46.39 | valdyn | nvz: sure |
| 15:46.43 | ajavid | im a lazy bum. |
| 15:46.44 | nvz | valdyn: I'm installing the iceweasel-dbg now.. though I don't seem to have gdb.. which I guess is the gnome debugger |
| 15:46.54 | valdyn | nvz: gnu debugger |
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| 15:46.57 | enouf | heh |
| 15:46.59 | nvz | ah |
| 15:47.18 | Titan8990_ | nvz, aptitude show <package> will give a detailed description |
| 15:47.18 | ajavid | thats it, couple more days and i'm ready to upload |
| 15:47.19 | valdyn | nvz: as no one else has these crashes its probably a hardware issue anyway |
| 15:47.20 | nvz | valdyn: I'm gonna install that too |
| 15:47.20 | ajavid | :D |
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| 15:47.23 | ajavid | bbl |
| 15:47.24 | parsifal_ | Is there any way to set up a global [http] proxy? I know about the http_proxy env var, but that doesn't work for me (need apache/php to use it) |
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| 15:47.47 | valdyn | parsifal_: the env var is the global way to set the proxy |
| 15:47.50 | nvz | valdyn: possibly.. its old hardware though.. as in well tested.. old AMD Athlon XP system |
| 15:47.52 | Titan8990_ | servers don't use proxies... proxies are for outgoing connections |
| 15:47.58 | parsifal_ | valdyn: is that supposed to work for apache and php? |
| 15:48.05 | valdyn | parsifal_: youre confused |
| 15:48.17 | parsifal_ | Titan8990: right, but my php scripts open connections to other servers |
| 15:48.24 | din_os_ | what is a good device manager on lenny? should I use gnome-device-manager? |
| 15:48.25 | nvz | Titan8990_: thanks, I am familiar |
| 15:48.30 | ajavid | nvz, ping |
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| 15:48.43 | nvz | just tracking down random iceweasel crashes isnt my forte |
| 15:48.45 | Titan8990_ | din_os_, if you just need hardware information, lshw is nice |
| 15:48.48 | valdyn | parsifal_: proxies are either used by clients or put in front of servers. Both cases do not make apache or php use the proxy |
| 15:48.49 | nvz | especially when its not my system |
| 15:48.58 | ajavid | nvz, hows life? |
| 15:49.20 | nvz | I usually write off iceweasel crashes as something iceweasel just does |
| 15:49.21 | parsifal_ | valdyn: if you read my messages, you'll see that my php scripts open connections to servers; I need to proxy those connections |
| 15:49.21 | ajavid | seems pretty painful right now ;) |
| 15:49.22 | din_os_ | Titan8990, I need to see which drivers are installed |
| 15:49.41 | valdyn | parsifal_: so set the proxy in the scripts |
| 15:49.47 | ajavid | nvz, i gotta run but i'll talk to you later, i wrote a python app that calculates music theory based on set theory notation |
| 15:49.48 | parsifal_ | valdyn: how? |
| 15:49.50 | enouf | din_os_: din_os_ try lspci -k |
| 15:49.53 | nvz | in this case it happens quite frequently for the normal users of the computer, and it occationnaly takes X with it.. so.. its more than your run-of-the-mill iceweasel crash, and as valdyn said.. its probably specific to this machine. |
| 15:49.53 | valdyn | parsifal_: we cannot make *your* scripts respect the environment variables |
| 15:49.55 | ajavid | nvz, not notation, basis, 0-11 |
| 15:49.59 | ajavid | anyway, later |
| 15:50.04 | nvz | ajavid: ah |
| 15:50.09 | nvz | ajavid: cool, ttyl |
| 15:50.11 | enouf | din_os_: or even lshal | grep driver |
| 15:50.15 | parsifal_ | valdyn: yeah, which is why I asked if there's a way to set up a global system-wide proxy that affects all processes; less insults, more listening |
| 15:50.22 | enouf | din_os_: or cat /proc/modules ; lsmod |
| 15:50.27 | valdyn | parsifal_: thats not how it works |
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| 15:50.37 | ajavid | what is parsifal_ doing? |
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| 15:50.51 | ajavid | put a proxy before his webserver? |
| 15:50.59 | valdyn | parsifal_: you cannot force processes into using a proxy, except by redirecting traffic in the router |
| 15:51.18 | parsifal_ | ajavid: I have a collection of PHP scripts that open connections to servers I don't currently have access to. I have a proxy connection from here to a middleman server, and a reverse proxy from my dest server to the middleman |
| 15:51.19 | valdyn | parsifal_: i wonder where i insulted anyone |
| 15:51.24 | parsifal_ | so, I need my scripts to use that tunnel |
| 15:51.36 | ajavid | parsifal_, that sounds like a really really crappy setup |
| 15:51.40 | ajavid | sorry to tell you that |
| 15:51.51 | ajavid | but you'l realize soon or later, hopefully sooner than later |
| 15:51.55 | parsifal_ | ajavid: it's a quasi vpn; it's necessary |
| 15:52.03 | ajavid | ok, well if you know what you need |
| 15:52.06 | valdyn | parsifal_: maybe its a good solution to use redirection in the (local) firewall ( iptables ) |
| 15:52.06 | parsifal_ | alright if neither of you know what you're talking about or don't know where to look, that's fine |
| 15:52.16 | din_os_ | enouf, thx |
| 15:52.19 | parsifal_ | valdyn: perhaps; I don't know enough about it |
| 15:52.19 | ajavid | we don't blindly answer questions |
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| 15:52.27 | enouf | din_os_: for overall system info, Titan8990_ 's suggest works nice, especially the -html option to lshw |
| 15:52.30 | ajavid | we try to give best support by asking question and getting info |
| 15:52.36 | ajavid | try to provide best solution |
| 15:52.40 | ajavid | don't cop an attitude |
| 15:52.41 | valdyn | parsifal_: its documented |
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| 15:52.49 | nvz | so I guess what I should do is for the time being alias it so it starts iceweasel -g all the time so it logs the crashes |
| 15:52.54 | enouf | ajavid: easy .. slow down .. ;-) |
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| 15:53.04 | ajavid | talking up to the same people trying to help you out, what are you a prick? |
| 15:53.06 | valdyn | parsifal_: we dont have enough information to decide which solution you should chose, and we wouldnt spoonfeed you anyway |
| 15:53.07 | ajavid | seriously. |
| 15:53.13 | enouf | din_os_: /msg dpkg what's my hardware (for even more goodies) |
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| 15:54.09 | enouf | din_os_: DEs such as GNOME and KDE have their own builtin GUI tools, however convoluted theymay be ;-) |
| 15:54.10 | ajavid | seriously, the nerve of some people :) |
| 15:54.20 | ajavid | ok, time to go, later peoples, be back later |
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| 15:54.29 | nvz | yep, me too... |
| 15:54.32 | nvz | wanders off |
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| 15:55.38 | ajavid | dh_gencontrol: warning: unknown options will be a fatal error in a future debhelper release dh_md5sums --with-quilt |
| 15:55.43 | ajavid | ahh |
| 15:55.47 | ajavid | this compiles, pacakge builds just fine |
| 15:55.50 | melkart | is there a way to list all installed packages which are not from the official repository for stable or whose version differs from their counterparts in the official repository for stable? |
| 15:55.51 | ajavid | fucking ... goddamit. |
| 15:55.58 | ajavid | alright, seriously, no more computery things. |
| 15:56.01 | ajavid | im out |
| 15:56.39 | Titan8990_ | lol |
| 15:56.57 | Scurz | I setting up a secondary mail server for domain.tld with postfix, http://pastebin.com/m4a6d9f07, here is an error coming from that secondary server when it relays mails from the domain because the primary server is down, any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 15:57.27 | Scurz | (postfix is running and there is no firewall) |
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| 15:57.47 | enouf | melkart: aptitude, or dpkg-query, or grep-{dctrl,status,..} |
| 15:58.15 | tPl0ch | Hi, I ahve a problem with the MegaRaid (for HP NetRaid Controller) driver and LVM. I am using the current net-inst 5.0.2a. the installation is running flawlessly until restart. When it comes to mount the root fils system, it says, it can't find the Volumegroup ind /dev/mapper and driver 'sd' needs updating. Anybody had this problem before? |
| 15:58.18 | enouf | melkart: or apt-show-versions, or /msg dpkg list repos ; or rmadison |
| 15:58.27 | enouf | w/dolly :-P |
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| 15:59.04 | enouf | melkart: please don't tell me you're "converting" a debian-based-> Debian |
| 15:59.10 | melkart | thank you, i will look into this... didnt know about rmadison and grep-stuff... |
| 15:59.23 | melkart | enouf: why? would that be so bad? |
| 15:59.30 | enouf | melkart: the latter needs grep-dctrl and dctrl-tools pkg |
| 15:59.44 | enouf | melkart: yes, just install Debian ;-) |
| 16:00.08 | melkart | ah, i see what you mean |
| 16:00.10 | parsifal_ | valdyn: iptables looks like the ticket -- thanks! |
| 16:00.13 | enouf | hrm ,.. what was that debdominate thingy |
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| 16:01.53 | enouf | judd: versions rmadison |
| 16:01.53 | judd | enouf: rmadison -- |
| 16:01.56 | enouf | judd: versions madison |
| 16:01.57 | judd | enouf: madison -- |
| 16:02.05 | enouf | judd: versions madison-lite |
| 16:02.06 | judd | enouf: madison-lite -- etch: 0.10 lenny: 0.13 sid: 0.13 sid: 0.14 squeeze: 0.14 |
| 16:02.17 | Scurz | no idea for my problem ? |
| 16:02.44 | enouf | Scurz: #postfix ? |
| 16:02.51 | Scurz | enouf: ok. |
| 16:03.03 | enouf | Scurz: well - not sure, just a thought |
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| 16:03.31 | enouf | Scurz: try ##linux as well perhaps ..careful to wait a bit so you don |
| 16:03.39 | enouf | 't crosspost/multipost |
| 16:04.02 | enouf | aha! |
| 16:04.07 | enouf | !debtakeover |
| 16:04.07 | dpkg | hmm... debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 16:04.14 | enouf | haha |
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| 16:04.39 | Scurz | enouf: i'm trying #postfix |
| 16:05.44 | enouf | tPl0ch: the driver 'sd' needs updating. is *not* an issue |
| 16:06.01 | Bushmills | Scurz: probably no reason to worry. sending server should retry several times |
| 16:06.12 | enouf | tPl0ch: and megaraid went out with 2.4 kernels, didn't it? which module does that use? |
| 16:06.20 | Breaking_Pitt | hello, i'm not able of changing the timezone to utc+2. some advice' |
| 16:06.22 | Breaking_Pitt | thanks! |
| 16:06.32 | tPl0ch | enouf: but megaraid is working |
| 16:06.32 | enouf | !set the time |
| 16:06.33 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 16:06.51 | Scurz | Bushmills: hmm no, this problem is for all mails |
| 16:07.06 | Scurz | Bushmills: and the sending server does not retry |
| 16:07.18 | tPl0ch | enouf: I can run debian without LVM with no problems |
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| 16:08.06 | enouf | tPl0ch: are you using grub-legacy as bootloader? and .. well, it seems you get past that stage, and kernel loads? If so, you likely need to update-initramfs after you list modules needed |
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| 16:08.22 | datacrusher | when i choose "lock screen" on the system menu, i got a white screen now, that used to be black. didnt found where to change it.. any clues? |
| 16:08.31 | enouf | !can't mount root |
| 16:08.31 | dpkg | If you can't mount the root file system when you boot your custom kernel, it means you have failed to include support for either: (a) your root file system (e.g. ext3), or (b) your disk controller (IDE, SCSI, etc.). These cannot be modules, unless you use an initrd. Go check your config again. or make sure your bootloader knows about your initrd |
| 16:08.38 | tPl0ch | enouf: yes, grub legacy, grub 2 just exited with mad errors |
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| 16:09.03 | enouf | well, for grub-legacy, /boot needs to be on non-LVM, and you need an initrd |
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| 16:09.59 | tPl0ch | enouf: so i make a hot spare being /boot?, and I have an initrd |
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| 16:10.31 | enouf | tPl0ch: see if this helps at all - though it should be a non-issue nowadays; http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto are your LVM named devices /dev/mapper/* ? |
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| 16:11.15 | tPl0ch | enouf: they should be /dev/mapper/Vloumegroup-partition, but /dev/mapper is empty |
| 16:11.26 | enouf | well, if /boot is on LVM , you want grub-pc (grub2) maybe even try their svn and compile it - lot's of activity in #grub lately |
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| 16:12.16 | tPl0ch | so it holds with Volumegroup "xxx" not found, waiting for root filesystem |
| 16:12.22 | Bushmills | Scurz: that's unusual (not retrying). maybe you're not patient enough. try flushing the queue of the sending server, when receiving server is online again. |
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| 16:13.43 | enouf | tPl0ch: somehow, you might've hit; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491107 though i don't really see how (resolved) |
| 16:14.01 | enouf | tPl0ch: any crypto involved? |
| 16:14.16 | tPl0ch | no, LVM without crypto |
| 16:14.21 | Hobart | Can anyone help me understand the structure of an Etch initrd ? I'm trying to determine why my system is activating a swap partition where it shouldn't (which ends up corrupting a raid mirror) during boot |
| 16:14.41 | enouf | tPl0ch: you might need to add (list) your modules in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and update-initramfs |
| 16:15.13 | enouf | tPl0ch: to have your initrd load the modules needed to mount real-root-fs |
| 16:15.20 | tPl0ch | enouf: but I see the module getting loaded in dmesg |
| 16:15.24 | enouf | s/mount/transfer |
| 16:15.38 | enouf | tPl0ch: which one(s)? |
| 16:15.46 | enouf | dm-mod? |
| 16:16.06 | enouf | how about your NetRaid controller module? |
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| 16:17.02 | tPl0ch | enouf: the fact, that without LVM I get a stable system tells me, everything is OK |
| 16:17.12 | tPl0ch | concerning loaded modules |
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| 16:17.40 | enouf | tPl0ch: what exactly is on LVM? and is the LVM on top of the RAID? if so, which RAID? |
| 16:18.22 | enouf | and .. please answer about 'which modules' |
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| 16:19.06 | tPl0ch | enouf: I need to first enter the rescue system to get ssh access to transfer the logs, be patient |
| 16:19.14 | tPl0ch | :) |
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| 16:19.49 | enouf | Yikes ; this needs an update! http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware |
| 16:20.12 | CharminTheMoose | I need some help using the Cheese app. |
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| 16:20.28 | enouf | wtf is with HP and SLES and DeadHat |
| 16:20.40 | CharminTheMoose | I can get some other webcam apps to load and view my webcam, but cheese just doesn't display the picture |
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| 16:20.43 | CharminTheMoose | any ideas guys? |
| 16:20.49 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: smile .. and say *cheese* ;-) |
| 16:21.11 | CharminTheMoose | D: |
| 16:21.16 | CharminTheMoose | My webcam hates me |
| 16:21.18 | CharminTheMoose | :P |
| 16:21.26 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: tried ##linux or #v4l or ? |
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| 16:21.57 | CharminTheMoose | Nope... I'll ask in #v4l |
| 16:21.58 | ajavid | CharminTheMoose, you use debian?!! |
| 16:22.04 | CharminTheMoose | ajavid, yep |
| 16:22.06 | ajavid | since when? |
| 16:22.11 | CharminTheMoose | Since... ever |
| 16:22.13 | ajavid | damn |
| 16:22.18 | ajavid | oh yeah |
| 16:22.21 | ajavid | thats how i got you into #music |
| 16:22.26 | ajavid | we oh yeah met here word |
| 16:22.28 | CharminTheMoose | Yeah! :D |
| 16:22.29 | ajavid | im a tool. |
| 16:22.34 | CharminTheMoose | Nah it's grand |
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| 16:23.03 | CharminTheMoose | Ok. I gotta go now |
| 16:23.06 | CharminTheMoose | See ya all later |
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| 16:23.14 | enouf | !grandpianosmite CharminTheMoose |
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| 16:26.56 | Bushmills | CharminTheMoose: try mplayer, for comparison. |
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| 16:29.30 | teraquendya | hey all, i am trying to run the debian installer from usb, but its just not working |
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| 16:29.48 | teraquendya | i downloaded the .img from live.debian.net |
| 16:30.00 | teraquendya | and then used dd to write it to the drive |
| 16:30.23 | teraquendya | now when i boot, i get that there is no suitable filesystem in /live |
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| 16:30.53 | Akuw | hi |
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| 16:31.30 | teraquendya | failsafe gives same result |
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| 16:33.57 | francis_ | is there a (unofficial) repo that would have updated packages for etch? |
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| 16:35.44 | Titan8990_ | francis_, no, what packages do you need to upgrade? |
| 16:36.07 | Pericius_ | how can i setup vim on debian so i get different configurations for each account? |
| 16:36.31 | Titan8990_ | Pericius_, aptitude install vim |
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| 16:36.54 | francis_ | Titan8990_: maybe python, perl, supybot, various others (server) |
| 16:36.55 | Titan8990_ | Pericius_, configuration goes in ~/.vimrc |
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| 16:37.09 | Pericius_ | Titan8990: i thought so, but there's nothing there |
| 16:37.11 | Titan8990_ | francis_, is there a real need? |
| 16:37.18 | Titan8990_ | Pericius_, you write it yourself |
| 16:37.25 | KING | HI |
| 16:37.35 | francis_ | Titan8990_: I will only update them when there is one, yes |
| 16:37.48 | Titan8990_ | !tell francis_ about ssb |
| 16:38.00 | Titan8990_ | francis_, i wouldn't recommend doing anything like that for a production server |
| 16:38.01 | c0ky | is away (Offline.........) |
| 16:38.02 | enouf | teraquendya: you want /msg dpkg live |
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| 16:38.25 | Titan8990_ | francis_, but if I HAD to have an upgrade I would use the ssb method... see you pm from dpkg |
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| 16:39.25 | enouf | francis_: etch-backports is still supported |
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| 16:39.37 | francis_ | Titan8990_: thanks, I shall be careful |
| 16:39.44 | enouf | well, .. etch (oldstable) is |
| 16:39.47 | newbie | what version is my debian? |
| 16:39.50 | Bushmills | famous last words :P |
| 16:39.54 | enouf | !version |
| 16:39.54 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 16:39.54 | w0rmh0le | I am a version 1.1.0 PyBorg |
| 16:39.58 | Titan8990_ | newbie, cat /etc/issue |
| 16:40.11 | KING | HI TITAN |
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| 16:40.27 | KING | HI SLAYERXP |
| 16:40.31 | Titan8990_ | francis_, if backports is still supported like enouf said, that would actually be best bet |
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| 16:40.45 | newbie | 5.0 it is |
| 16:40.46 | francis_ | enouf: that's great actually |
| 16:40.48 | ilaiho | can someone identify this font: http://ilaiho.kapsi.fi/kuvankaappaus.png |
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| 16:40.59 | newbie | is it the latest stable |
| 16:41.15 | Titan8990_ | !lenny |
| 16:41.15 | dpkg | i guess lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.2>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 16:41.32 | enouf | francis_: just note; all BPO are "unofficial" |
| 16:42.10 | francis_ | right |
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| 16:42.14 | Titan8990_ | enouf, but still supported by debian community |
| 16:42.24 | francis_ | haven't used debian in something like 4-5 years... |
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| 16:42.42 | enouf | Titan8990_: well, yes, just not security supported, IINM |
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| 16:43.32 | Evet | do you know a codec package or a video player that has all codecs? |
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| 16:43.56 | francis_ | vlc |
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| 16:46.06 | enouf | you mean even the really proprietary, DRM-laden ones? |
| 16:46.28 | enouf | w32codecs - heh |
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| 16:52.25 | jair | guys I am running debian lenny 64bit. and I am trying to configure java so it can open pages that need a plugin in the browser. If I run the command "about:plugins" I do not have java there :( |
| 16:52.45 | jinnstar | is there anyway to combine arguments in grep -v instead of adding addition | grev -v "line" entries to the command? |
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| 16:54.17 | enouf | jair: tried 'update-java-alternatives' ? |
| 16:54.57 | Titan8990_ | jinnstar, might be... I have always just piped an extra grep -v. you might have better luck in #bash |
| 16:54.59 | enouf | jair: egrep -v 'word1|word2|word3' |
| 16:55.08 | jinnstar | thanks Titan8990 |
| 16:55.17 | enouf | erm, jinnstar |
| 16:55.28 | Titan8990_ | enouf, i think he wants to match an expression but only if it does not include a 2nd expression |
| 16:55.58 | Titan8990_ | atleast, thats how i understood |
| 16:56.31 | enouf | Titan8990_: i use things like; "find . -name 'Kconfig*' | xargs grep -il vmsplit | xargs -grep -il mem" allthe time |
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| 16:56.37 | jair | enouf:let me try that |
| 16:56.52 | G__81 | whats the size (approx) from moving to Debian 5.0 Stable to Debian Unstable/testing |
| 16:56.56 | G__81 | if i do apt-get update |
| 16:56.59 | jair | enouf: will this apply to 64bit lenny as well? |
| 16:57.20 | jinnstar | enouf, thats not quite it :) thanks though |
| 16:57.28 | jair | enouf: in my case the iceweasel is native 64bit? or it is running in 32bit on a lenny 64bit? |
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| 16:57.51 | enouf | jair: no idea, i don't even like java, let alone use it - it _should_ apply, though depends how many alternatives there are, iguess |
| 16:58.05 | G__81 | any idea ? |
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| 16:58.23 | G__81 | can some one let me know coz my ISP limits downloads |
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| 16:59.06 | nsadmin | G__81 depends on which you go to and what you have |
| 16:59.18 | Titan8990_ | G__81, test and see, just don't answer "y" |
| 16:59.18 | shah4u44 | salamm how r u rooooom? |
| 16:59.18 | nsadmin | it will tell you if you try |
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| 16:59.31 | nsadmin | !room |
| 16:59.31 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 16:59.33 | jair | enouf: I really would love not to use it |
| 16:59.37 | Titan8990_ | don't think aptitude has a --pretend |
| 16:59.40 | enouf | G__81: could also try the -s option |
| 16:59.40 | G__81 | Titan8990, my ISP limits downloads and hence wanted to know |
| 16:59.41 | jinnstar | Titan8990, I'm checking in #bash, one could end up adding a lot of pipes for a large amount of output |
| 17:00.04 | shah4u44 | anybody want to chat with me |
| 17:00.09 | enouf | Titan8990_: it does, -s |
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| 17:00.13 | jair | enouf: but if I don't have it in my iceweasel I can not manager remotely the RSA II cards, this will help me not to walk back and forth to the server room :( |
| 17:00.17 | Titan8990_ | enouf, good to know, thanks |
| 17:00.22 | pngwn | shah4u44, #debian-offtopic |
| 17:00.22 | enouf | np |
| 17:00.31 | nsadmin | shah4u44: this is debian support, only. |
| 17:00.36 | shah4u44 | hi pngwn |
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| 17:00.46 | enouf | jair: i'm really java-ignorant, and quite proud of it ;-) |
| 17:00.48 | jair | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/45238 |
| 17:01.10 | jair | enouf: so how come you are telling me or advising me things about Java? |
| 17:01.36 | enouf | jair: i know of that command, thought it might help |
| 17:01.48 | enouf | !listvals update-java-alternatives |
| 17:01.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'update-java-alternatives' by value (1): java alternatives. |
| 17:01.53 | jair | alright. Thank you enouf |
| 17:02.03 | shah4u44 | who is enouf |
| 17:02.16 | jinnstar | enouf, Titan8990: enouf was close just need parenthesis. grep -E -v '(foo|bar|baz)' |
| 17:02.16 | jelly | !enouf |
| 17:02.16 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
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| 17:02.34 | Pericius_ | um, how can i get antialiasing and all the pretty colors in debian without xorg |
| 17:02.51 | jelly | Pericius_: without... X? |
| 17:02.56 | fxiny | lsd ? |
| 17:03.02 | jelly | possibly |
| 17:03.04 | jinnstar | fxiny, lol! |
| 17:03.06 | enouf | jinnstar: that supposedly went away with newer grep versions, or is it a GNU thing? |
| 17:03.09 | Pericius_ | yeah, i don't need graphical applications |
| 17:03.14 | jair | since the problem I am having is with the stupid java should I go to #java ? but I am trying to get it work in lenny 64 bit though :( |
| 17:03.18 | zinx | Pericius_: sorry, you can't. |
| 17:03.18 | Pericius_ | just want to make my vim a bit nicer |
| 17:03.18 | Pericius_ | :) |
| 17:03.24 | jair | again I do not like java at all!!! |
| 17:03.36 | Pericius_ | then, is there some bare bare bare bones xorg i can get? |
| 17:03.42 | jair | I wish we don't have to use it, and only use phyton |
| 17:03.46 | jelly | Pericius_: X, fullscreen terminal with antialiased fonts. Or even gvim. |
| 17:04.01 | Pericius_ | why not framebuffered console? |
| 17:04.09 | jinnstar | enouf, not sure I'm running Crunchbang (ubuntu/debian based) |
| 17:04.14 | jelly | because you want it to be fast, Pericius_ |
| 17:04.23 | nsadmin | jair is it an install issue or a coding issue? |
| 17:04.35 | Pericius_ | it's 800x600, should run fast enough in console |
| 17:05.12 | jelly | your output device has that resolution, Pericius_? |
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| 17:05.27 | Pericius_ | it's within virtualbox |
| 17:05.35 | Pericius_ | i just need it for doing ruby on rails |
| 17:05.50 | Pericius_ | will do everything else in os x host |
| 17:05.59 | jair | nsadmin: install issue. I did try installing the icetea and did not work, it close and exit as soon as I try to open the site with java |
| 17:06.08 | jelly | Pericius_: ssh to that vm instead, and use the hosts' terminal emulation |
| 17:06.28 | jair | nsadmin: I don't know if you are familiar with the RSA II IBM adapters and blade centers |
| 17:06.49 | nsadmin | jair what happens when you try 32-bit userland? |
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| 17:07.32 | nsadmin | you say it's an install issue... what are you installing? |
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| 17:08.02 | nsadmin | jair nope, not familiar |
| 17:08.09 | jair | I am trying to have java plungin in my iceweasel |
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| 17:08.37 | jair | nsadmin: so I can open applications and sites that require java web plugin |
| 17:09.07 | jair | nsadmin: I am at this site now: wiki.debian.org/java/sun |
| 17:10.11 | jair | nsadmin: but my OS is lenny 64bit |
| 17:10.15 | nsadmin | jair when you try to install these things, are you using aptitude? |
| 17:10.41 | enouf | jinnstar: ~$ grep --version |
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| 17:10.42 | jair | I am downloading the .bin java code from the sun site |
| 17:10.47 | enouf | and we don' |
| 17:11.00 | enouf | t support debian-BASED here |
| 17:11.08 | nsadmin | jair: for that, you'll need #java |
| 17:11.10 | jinnstar | enouf, GNU grep 2.5.3 |
| 17:11.17 | jair | nsadmin: I try the ones in the backport, main, non-free repost debian lenny and none of them succeed... |
| 17:11.53 | jair | again what is = 32-bit userland? |
| 17:12.01 | Titan8990_ | jair, did you update your java alternatives? |
| 17:12.13 | fxiny | which plugin ? sun-java6-plugin ? |
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| 17:12.23 | ajavid | fxiny, :) |
| 17:12.28 | fxiny | ajavid: yes ? |
| 17:12.36 | ajavid | huh? |
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| 17:13.32 | fxiny | ajavid: i'm pnrging |
| 17:14.20 | enouf | jinnstar: well, here is GNU grep 2.5.4 -- what is your full command? ; pastebin it |
| 17:14.46 | enouf | jinnstar: (with parens and without) |
| 17:14.53 | jair | Titan8990_: how can I do that? |
| 17:15.06 | Titan8990_ | jair, update-java-alternatives |
| 17:15.26 | enouf | IINM jinnstar egrep/rgrep/fgrep shoudl be avail |
| 17:15.44 | jair | I did update-java-alternatives -a |
| 17:15.52 | enouf | jair: heh - there's thatpesky 'update...' thingy |
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| 17:16.05 | jair | Titan8990_: and I got all "No alternatives for ...." |
| 17:16.15 | jair | enouf: right |
| 17:16.22 | Titan8990_ | jair, -a is auto... you wanted to SELECT your new java |
| 17:16.38 | Titan8990_ | jair, and i am assuming you installed the sun java package from backports? |
| 17:16.41 | jair | ohhh ok the one I downloaded from the java.com site? |
| 17:16.50 | Titan8990_ | jair, you don't do that |
| 17:16.55 | Titan8990_ | in debian we use something called apt |
| 17:17.00 | Titan8990_ | that manages packages for us |
| 17:17.13 | Titan8990_ | your way requires you manually create all the symlinks |
| 17:17.25 | jinnstar | and I did close that quote, just didn't copy it for pastebin right. |
| 17:17.31 | fxiny | jair: should be : /usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives -a |
| 17:17.51 | Titan8990_ | fxiny, /usr/sbin is in root's path by default |
| 17:18.01 | Titan8990_ | fxiny, no need to supply absolute path |
| 17:18.07 | enouf | fxiny: aloha! ;-) |
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| 17:18.23 | enouf | ajavid: go away :-P |
| 17:18.25 | fxiny | enouf: :) |
| 17:18.32 | ajavid | huh |
| 17:18.33 | ajavid | why |
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| 17:18.36 | Pericius_ | can anyone please link me on setting up framebuffered console |
| 17:18.36 | ajavid | you go away! |
| 17:18.36 | jair | Titan8990_: I have some understanding of that, and the reason why I am trying something different than the one in the repos " I said this several lines before above" and not the backport or the openjdk icedtea none works... they install but they exit like a bug and close the iceweasel with it. annoying |
| 17:18.42 | ajavid | !framebuffer |
| 17:18.42 | dpkg | hmm... framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon> or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. To disable framebuffer usage by Debian Installer, supply the "debian-installer/framebuffer=false" boot option. |
| 17:18.45 | enouf | ajavid: i'm joking! |
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| 17:18.56 | ajavid | enouf, im not! dun dun dun |
| 17:19.02 | ajavid | heh |
| 17:19.06 | Titan8990_ | jair, sounds like you just didn't know what you were doing |
| 17:19.07 | jair | fxiny: I did it without the path and works |
| 17:19.24 | fxiny | jair: works with anb without |
| 17:19.26 | jair | Titan8990_: you mean I do not know how to run apt-get install sun-java? |
| 17:19.28 | fxiny | Titan8990_: ;) |
| 17:19.35 | Pericius_ | !fbcon |
| 17:19.35 | dpkg | [fbcon] a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution> |
| 17:19.40 | enouf | 08:55 < ajavid> enouf, is a dumb guy <--nice |
| 17:19.44 | enouf | :-P |
| 17:20.03 | Pericius_ | !berlin |
| 17:20.03 | dpkg | i guess berlin is an extension of fresco to a complete windowing system, using its own drawing libraries and a component loader. it works, is pretty, and is LGPL. it does not yet do enough to make it worth switching from X, but it will. Visit http://www.berlin-consortium.org for more info. or [Q: Why is it consortium? do dict consortium], or at #berlin, or now called fresco, see http://www.fresco.org |
| 17:20.09 | jair | Titan8990_: are you familiar with IBM servers and their RSA cards? |
| 17:20.11 | abrotman | Pericius_: msg the bot |
| 17:20.20 | Pericius_ | ok, sorry |
| 17:20.35 | jair | Titan8990_: if you have one of those then we can talk about me and Java :) |
| 17:20.38 | xxtjaxx | Hi everybody is there a generic way to dump a list of the packages I have installed on my system? You know just for a smarter nd faster way to rebuild what has gone away in case of disk corruption as a backup? |
| 17:20.49 | abrotman | !tell xxtjaxx about aptitude clone |
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| 17:21.53 | fxiny | enouf: now he won't talk to us anymore :P |
| 17:21.54 | xxtjaxx | ah thanks |
| 17:21.57 | enouf | xxtjaxx: i like "grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Version -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort | less" |
| 17:22.08 | Pericius_ | ok, here's what i want... these console that start by default in debian, that i can switch with Alt+Fx, i want them to be 800x600, antialiased 24 or 32 bit color and displaying fast as hell... what to do? |
| 17:22.19 | enouf | but .. well |
| 17:22.38 | enouf | fxiny: no porbs! i fix ;-) |
| 17:22.42 | jair | Titan8990_: http://paste.debian.net/45239 it looks like I have one of the stupid java plugin installed |
| 17:23.10 | jair | Titan8990_: but when I go to "about:plugins" I do not see the jr2 there or java at all |
| 17:23.15 | jair | again I am running 64bit |
| 17:23.22 | enouf | Pericius_: vga= |
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| 17:23.47 | Pericius_ | enouf: put 0x315 there for 800x600... that doesn't do colors right nor does antialiasing |
| 17:23.56 | enouf | Pericius_: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 17:24.01 | km | what is command for disabling the service in /etc/init.d? |
| 17:24.11 | abrotman | antialiasing? framebuffer? |
| 17:24.13 | km | i forgot |
| 17:24.14 | abrotman | km: update-rc.d |
| 17:24.14 | jinnstar | enouf, not sure if I'm using the dpkg bot right but here are the two commands: http://pastebay.com/43150 |
| 17:24.18 | km | thanks |
| 17:24.21 | enouf | Pericius_: it works for me |
| 17:24.41 | enouf | km: i use rcconf |
| 17:25.30 | Titan8990_ | jair, and trying something new when one thing doesn't work, you just keep stacking more packages on top |
| 17:25.40 | Titan8990_ | jair, its like a loop of fail |
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| 17:26.15 | ribasushi | is there a version of this on one html page (non chunked): http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 17:26.24 | enouf | jinnstar: well done; can you try "mocp -i | head | egrep -v 'File:|Title:|TotalSec|CurrentTime'" ? |
| 17:26.26 | ribasushi | I am trying to find something |
| 17:26.41 | jair | Titan8990_: honestly I have been trying to clean my lenny completely from Java but I have that each time I install one it creates a mess with my fonts and web java needed applications |
| 17:26.47 | enouf | jinnstar: might need to \ (escape the colons .. not sure offhand) |
| 17:27.04 | macrobat | ribasushi: do you mean the topic? channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
| 17:27.04 | abrotman | ribasushi: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#securing |
| 17:27.14 | macrobat | oops :) |
| 17:27.16 | enouf | jinnstar: well done; can you try "mocp -i | head | egrep -v 'File\:|Title\:|TotalSec|CurrentTime'" <<-- escaped |
| 17:27.25 | abrotman | ribasushi: doesn't have single page HTML, but does have PDF |
| 17:27.26 | ribasushi | abrotman++ |
| 17:27.36 | datacrusher | my crontab just stoped working. iv putted * * * * * wall test, but nothing happens. i got the service running, but the jobs dont start.. |
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| 17:27.49 | enouf | ribasushi: harden-doc pkg |
| 17:27.57 | jinnstar | enouf, they both output the same info, so either works for what I'm doing (output to conky) |
| 17:28.05 | jinnstar | I knew to skip the quotes |
| 17:28.25 | enouf | jinnstar: very well - carry on ;-) |
| 17:28.40 | ribasushi | hm... there is no mechanism to link groups in /etc/groups is there? |
| 17:28.46 | jinnstar | not sure I'm understanding the diff btw egrep and grep guess I have a couple of man pages to review |
| 17:28.48 | jinnstar | :) |
| 17:29.01 | ribasushi | as in I want to give "junior staff" adm and staff membership - I need to put them in both groups |
| 17:29.02 | enouf | jinnstar: egrep == grep -E |
| 17:29.06 | enouf | man grep |
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| 17:29.21 | jinnstar | exactly what I said above :) |
| 17:29.21 | ribasushi | can't make all 'staff' are also 'adm' ? |
| 17:29.46 | enouf | !groups |
| 17:29.46 | dpkg | i guess groups is file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html . Ask me about <group> and <desktop groups>. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
| 17:30.02 | enouf | ribasushi: gpasswd user group |
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| 17:30.34 | jair | Titan8990_: I am doing what you are telling me to do |
| 17:30.35 | enouf | ribasushi: er ... getent group | grep staff |
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| 17:30.52 | _yawn_ | hi... can someone please help me with the alsa driver? |
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| 17:30.59 | ribasushi | enouf: ?? that's query... |
| 17:31.12 | ribasushi | I'm asking about chaining - all @grp1 are also @grp2 |
| 17:31.42 | enouf | ~$ getent group | grep staff | cut -d: -f4 |
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| 17:32.07 | ribasushi | enouf: this shows you who is a member of staff currently... |
| 17:32.13 | Rolio | hi, I search a debbuger who work without symbols ? |
| 17:32.48 | enouf | ~$ for i in $(getent group | grep staff | cut -d: -f4); do gpasswd $i newgroupname ; done |
| 17:32.56 | enouf | heh |
| 17:33.15 | ribasushi | enouf: argh - that's manual crap, of course I can do that in a thousand ways |
| 17:33.18 | enouf | ribasushi: not tested! |
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| 17:33.30 | enouf | so? what do you want? a GUI!? |
| 17:33.34 | ribasushi | enouf: I am asking for a sane "include" way |
| 17:33.36 | abrotman | ribasushi: using the basic passwd/group stuff, don't think there is |
| 17:33.38 | ribasushi | if one exists |
| 17:33.44 | ribasushi | abrotman: thank you |
| 17:33.45 | abrotman | ribasushi: i believe you can with LDAP though |
| 17:33.58 | abrotman | or maybe that was NIS+ .. |
| 17:34.33 | Pericius_ | how can i change fonts in debian to dejavu |
| 17:34.42 | abrotman | ribasushi: you want group inherency .. such as Member of GroupA is automagically a member of GroupB .. but a member of GroupB may not be in GroupA ? |
| 17:34.53 | ribasushi | abrotman: precisely |
| 17:34.54 | enouf | in /etc/console*/* |
| 17:35.10 | ribasushi | abrotman: asking if such thing exists |
| 17:35.56 | enouf | ~$ fc-match dejavu |
| 17:35.57 | abrotman | ribasushi: i think i said already ? |
| 17:35.58 | enouf | Vera.ttf: "Bitstream Vera Sans" "Roman" |
| 17:36.12 | ribasushi | abrotman: you did, I'm just reiterating :) |
| 17:36.56 | jair | I guess nobody here have enough experience using debian 64bit and java. I will not kill myself on this now since I know is a java and not debian lenny 64bit issue :) |
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| 17:37.17 | Dryanta | hello evry1 |
| 17:37.40 | abrotman | ribasushi: let me look at something |
| 17:37.45 | Dryanta | i just started using debian (unfortunately) coming from freebsd |
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| 17:37.52 | abrotman | debian is bad? |
| 17:37.58 | Dryanta | is there a tutorial or manpage that will get me proficient quickly? |
| 17:38.05 | Dryanta | when you have shunned linux for 15y, yes |
| 17:38.06 | enouf | !grounding |
| 17:38.07 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 17:38.11 | abrotman | !tell Dryanta about refcard |
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| 17:38.46 | Dryanta | so im not new to nix, i just feel lost in the sense of installing packages and getting around |
| 17:38.57 | abrotman | Dryanta: see about the refcard the bot told you about |
| 17:39.11 | smacnay | Dryanta, learn apt-get or install aptitude for package management |
| 17:39.14 | Titan8990_ | Dryanta, you may want to go gentoo first to bridge the gap between bsd and linux |
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| 17:39.24 | enouf | hahaha |
| 17:39.25 | abrotman | ribasushi: nevermind .. try ldap or nis .. but i'm not sure you want to go that route |
| 17:39.25 | Pericius_ | how to get the string of font that goes into /etc/console-tools/config file under SCREEN_FONT? |
| 17:39.53 | taras | hm screen brightness regulation isn't working in kde4.3.0 built from sources on lenny |
| 17:39.55 | Titan8990_ | Dryanta, gentoo functions very similar in that builds are snapshots located in /usr/portage/ and are compiled by a package manager |
| 17:39.56 | ribasushi | abrotman: I'm turning some of my systems into multiuser, and trying to look into ways of doing things right |
| 17:39.58 | taras | what can be the problem? |
| 17:40.03 | ribasushi | abrotman: have always worked solo so far |
| 17:40.22 | ribasushi | abrotman: ldap sounds nice, but I have not found a sane editor, and the cli (for ldap editing) scares me still |
| 17:40.34 | Titan8990_ | Dryanta, its like bsd with a much more robust ports system but lacking a pkg_add system on the downside |
| 17:40.34 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 17:40.35 | dpkg | somebody said kde 4 was the version of <KDE> that you will find in Squeeze. Because KDE 4 is so new, you might get more assistance in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net. Backports of older versions for lenny are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 17:40.53 | abrotman | Titan8990_: i think he's had debian forced upon him .. not chosen |
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| 17:41.53 | Titan8990_ | Dryanta, ehh... just imagine aptitude as a VERY powerful and flexible pkg_<command> utility which should handle all your packages |
| 17:42.13 | Titan8990_ | abrotman, reading the first sentence again I can see that |
| 17:42.27 | abrotman | Titan8990_: besides .. we have apt-build :) |
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| 17:43.51 | Dryanta | Titan8990_: i just dont like the idea of binary packages |
| 17:44.02 | Dryanta | i suppose ill get used to it |
| 17:44.06 | Dryanta | its only one box i have to run |
| 17:44.15 | Dryanta | i have three dozen fbsd ones |
| 17:44.28 | Titan8990_ | Dryanta, then debian is not for you, but like abrotman said, you can use apt-build to compile packages into .deb to be handled by the package manager |
| 17:44.28 | Dryanta | but i got a rackspace cloud account and its only linux |
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| 17:44.52 | Dryanta | i picked debian instead of gentoo as i wanted the 'standard' linux |
| 17:45.03 | Psi-Jack_ | Dryanta, Excuse me? :p |
| 17:45.24 | Titan8990_ | Dryanta, i would consider gentoo more "standard" linux.... you learn gentoo, you know linux. you learn debian, you know mostly debianisms... |
| 17:45.31 | Pericius_ | what string to put under SCREEN_FONT in /etc/console-tools/config if the font is installed under DejaVuSansMono.ttf? |
| 17:45.45 | Psi-Jack_ | Titan8990_, Exactly. |
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| 17:46.01 | Psi-Jack_ | Not that Debianisms are bad or anything, but, still. ;) |
| 17:46.31 | Dryanta | i was under the impression that all other linuces were derived from debian after a fashion |
| 17:46.37 | Psi-Jack_ | Umm. No |
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| 17:46.50 | Dryanta | lol |
| 17:46.54 | Psi-Jack_ | Slackware and Red Hat were actually the first distributions of Linux. |
| 17:46.58 | Dryanta | sucks being a noob again |
| 17:47.17 | Dryanta | i know * re all three bsds, got nothin on linux :( |
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| 17:47.26 | Psi-Jack_ | You're only a noob, once, obviously you still are. ;) |
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| 17:48.13 | Pericius_ | ok, fuck it, i'm installing xorg :) |
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| 17:48.40 | Dryanta | i started out with fbsd 4 |
| 17:49.24 | Dryanta | i set up a dhcp server for my high school freshman year lol it department didnt know how |
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| 17:50.20 | abrotman | Dryanta: just try debian for a bit .. it's actually quite good |
| 17:51.46 | fxiny | Dryanta: same , i started with freebasd4 |
| 17:51.53 | abrotman | Psi-Jack_: actually . debian was before RH |
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| 17:52.41 | Psi-Jack_ | Was it? |
| 17:52.48 | abrotman | AFAICT, yes |
| 17:52.58 | klamanet | hi, i'm trying sh. I define VAL = "k" but then I put echo VAL and print VAL, not k. What I'm doing wrong? |
| 17:53.42 | Bushmills | klamanet: echo $VAL |
| 17:53.44 | Psi-Jack_ | Ahh yep. |
| 17:53.48 | Psi-Jack_ | Just a year before. |
| 17:53.54 | Psi-Jack_ | Well, actually a couple months before, but yeah |
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| 17:56.09 | klamanet | Bushmills: no, is not working -> http://pastebin.com/m6b51fb57 |
| 17:56.34 | Titan8990_ | Dryanta, had to afk for sec... I like gentoo a lot but when stability is priority, debian gets the job done |
| 17:56.42 | aarkerio | hi! does anybody know about a "general" equalizer to manage sound? I am using XMMS2 but the sound is crap |
| 17:57.32 | Bushmills | klamanet: drop the spaces |
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| 17:57.48 | missyjane | hm |
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| 17:58.11 | klamanet | Bushmills: you are a facking geniuos,thks |
| 17:58.36 | badcloud_ | anyone know of a utility to display evolution/ics calendar as desktop background in gnome? |
| 17:59.05 | NoFX_SBC | how install xen-linux-system-2.6.18.8-xen-amd64 on lenny? |
| 17:59.12 | Without | how can i update 5.29php to 5.3? |
| 17:59.31 | xxtjaxx | badcloud try to make it a plugin for kde desktop background ? |
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| 17:59.40 | Titan8990_ | NoFX_SBC, you don't, thats a version from etch |
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| 18:00.04 | NoFX_SBC | Titan8990 i know, but i need kernel version 2.6.18... |
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| 18:00.24 | tripzero | anyone hint me as to why apt would fail to install something in a chroot? http://pastebin.com/m3d789cd3 |
| 18:00.25 | w3lly | hi... if i run screen -t tab uptime out of config, which option would not close screen session after finish? |
| 18:00.33 | badcloud_ | anyone know what xxtjaxx was trying to say? |
| 18:00.37 | NoFX_SBC | Titan8990 because 2.6.26-2 have problems with xen |
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| 18:00.40 | badcloud_ | I'm using gde, not kde |
| 18:00.53 | azeem_ | tripzero: probably a missing /dev or /proc |
| 18:01.03 | jelly-home | gde? |
| 18:01.32 | Titan8990_ | NoFX_SBC, what problems? |
| 18:02.02 | NoFX_SBC | Titan8990 if use nosmp on xen kernel, the network is not work properly |
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| 18:02.18 | NoFX_SBC | Titan8990 on heavy load, crash the system |
| 18:02.42 | ajavid | enouf, huh? |
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| 18:03.25 | NoFX_SBC | Titan8990 some problems already reported about this kernel version of lenny when run xen |
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| 18:03.41 | NoFX_SBC | Titan8990 so, i need a way to use 2.6.18 on lenny |
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| 18:05.00 | Titan8990_ | NoFX_SBC, download the sources and compile it |
| 18:05.15 | NoFX_SBC | Titan8990 and a debian method? |
| 18:05.59 | Titan8990_ | NoFX_SBC, to compiling your own kernel? the same except you will run dpkg-buildpackage instead of make |
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| 18:06.26 | SerajewelKS | does anyone know how much performance gain xen will get from CPUs supporting virtualization? |
| 18:06.33 | abrotman | 42 |
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| 18:06.50 | SerajewelKS | i'm looking at putting together a linux storage/appliance server, and this is pretty cheap but doesn't support any VT extensions: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859321013 |
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| 18:07.25 | leoechevarria | hi there |
| 18:07.42 | leoechevarria | i was wondering if i could install a sid package in squeeze just using apt |
| 18:07.47 | leoechevarria | is there a way of doing this? |
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| 18:08.49 | patrikf | leoechevarria: google apt pinning |
| 18:08.50 | SerajewelKS | leoechevarria: yes, you can. some people think it's dangerous for some bizarre reason. |
| 18:09.40 | leoechevarria | my system has just been installed so i don't mind breaking everything |
| 18:10.04 | leoechevarria | i wanted to try fglrx version 9.8 because i got a hd3200 and cannot get running 2d and 3d acceleration |
| 18:10.08 | leoechevarria | let's see how it works |
| 18:10.09 | leoechevarria | thanks! |
| 18:10.14 | NoFX_SBC | Titan8990 fakeroot and make-kpkg is not needed? |
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| 18:10.33 | jelly-home | !pinning |
| 18:10.34 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 18:11.34 | BoomerET | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.37 | aarkerio | leoechevarria: that depends, if you are trying to install a little gnome app or a database |
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| 18:12.09 | aarkerio | since the libc6 version is different in Sid and Squeeze |
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| 18:13.07 | aarkerio | BoomerET: compile postgresl is very easy, but if is in back-ports is OK |
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| 18:13.41 | leoechevarria | aarkerio: ehmmm |
| 18:13.45 | BoomerET | Thanks, I'll try. Thought I'd ask here first. |
| 18:13.45 | leoechevarria | i want to install a vga driver |
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| 18:16.04 | aarkerio | the driver only works in SID version? |
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| 18:16.20 | leoechevarria | aarkerio: i'm not sure... |
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| 18:16.38 | leoechevarria | i tried installing the same version sid comes with with no success |
| 18:16.51 | leoechevarria | X server starts, and i run gnome |
| 18:16.54 | leoechevarria | but performance is awful |
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| 18:17.17 | aarkerio | what video hardware do you have? |
| 18:17.32 | Bushmills | leoechevarria: then *don't* use the VGA driver |
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| 18:17.50 | leoechevarria | aarkerio: ati hd3200 |
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| 18:18.04 | leoechevarria | Bushmills: ehmmm why? |
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| 18:18.22 | Bushmills | leoechevarria: use the driver which supports your video controller best |
| 18:18.43 | Bushmills | VGA is just the smallest common denominator |
| 18:18.43 | leoechevarria | Bushmills: i'm trying to use the last non-free driver, but it doesn't work |
| 18:18.50 | aarkerio | leoechevarria: are you tried to use module-assistant to generate fgrlx driver? |
| 18:18.58 | leoechevarria | aarkerio: not actually |
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| 18:19.16 | Titan8990_ | leoechevarria, why not? thats what the official guide says to do.... |
| 18:19.20 | shadowcat | I have a nic that's detected with lspci |
| 18:19.26 | shadowcat | but it's not auto configured |
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| 18:19.35 | leoechevarria | Bushmills: the binary from ati page doesn't seem to be working, and the same version but from debian repositories is only available on sid |
| 18:19.35 | aarkerio | or are you tried AMD-ATI script driver installer? |
| 18:19.37 | shadowcat | it's an Intel Pro 1000GT Desktop adapter |
| 18:19.38 | Titan8990_ | leoechevarria, also, that is why the module-assistant is provided |
| 18:19.50 | leoechevarria | Titan8990_: i haven't tried it all |
| 18:20.05 | leoechevarria | i haven't read a lot either, i've been struggling with this just since yesterday |
| 18:20.07 | shadowcat | is there any way of checking what eth number the nic has? |
| 18:20.12 | Titan8990_ | leoechevarria, haven't tried to look at the debian guide? |
| 18:20.53 | leoechevarria | Titan8990_: guide for what? drivers? |
| 18:21.14 | Titan8990_ | leoechevarria, for installing fglrx in debian linux.... |
| 18:22.00 | maligor | Titan8990, what version of debian? |
| 18:22.12 | Titan8990_ | http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 18:22.35 | leoechevarria | that'd be a good idea |
| 18:22.42 | Titan8990_ | maligor, what? i am not in need of support |
| 18:22.49 | maligor | oh, heh |
| 18:22.57 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:22.59 | aarkerio | if you are lucky $sudo m-a a-i fglrx-driver will make the magic ;-) |
| 18:23.06 | maligor | you just have to modify the amd-ati install scripts for sid |
| 18:23.12 | shadowcat | any idea on my nic problem? |
| 18:23.23 | maligor | if you want to use them |
| 18:23.38 | maligor | the package builder that is |
| 18:24.38 | Titan8990_ | shadowcat, how do you want to configure it? dhcp? static? /etc/network/interfaces? network-manager? |
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| 18:25.02 | shadowcat | Titan8990_: I'd settle for it first showing up in the network manager |
| 18:25.06 | shadowcat | because lspci sees it |
| 18:25.08 | shadowcat | but that's about it |
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| 18:25.45 | shadowcat | it detected the last nic in there |
| 18:25.52 | shadowcat | and I swapped it out because it was faulty |
| 18:25.59 | Titan8990_ | shadowcat, ifconfig -a show it? |
| 18:26.01 | shadowcat | shouldn't debian automatically detect the new nic? |
| 18:26.11 | shadowcat | .... |
| 18:26.13 | shadowcat | eth2? |
| 18:26.14 | shadowcat | WTF |
| 18:26.17 | Douglas | LOL |
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| 18:26.29 | shadowcat | now comes the question |
| 18:26.32 | Douglas | my debian ifconfig -a is showing eth0_rename_ren and eth1 |
| 18:26.32 | shadowcat | how do I reassign that to eth0 |
| 18:26.35 | Douglas | but it doesnt detect eth0 |
| 18:26.40 | Douglas | but lspci picks up both nics |
| 18:26.41 | Douglas | any idea ? |
| 18:27.01 | beardy | !z25 |
| 18:27.01 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 18:27.28 | Titan8990_ | nice, two people answered, one factoid :) |
| 18:27.41 | Douglas | can i just empty that file |
| 18:27.43 | Douglas | ? |
| 18:27.43 | zol_ | I have a question, when the linux-images or linux-source is updated, do I have to recompile ? I run a compiled kernel ( /usr/src/linux-source ... ) |
| 18:27.43 | shadowcat | thanks |
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| 18:28.21 | Titan8990_ | zol_, if you run a custom compiled kernel, aptitude does not effect your kernel |
| 18:28.31 | jelly-home | affect? |
| 18:28.37 | Titan8990_ | ehh |
| 18:28.44 | Titan8990_ | it won't upgrade your custom kernel |
| 18:28.54 | jelly-home | well it doesn't effect it either... |
| 18:29.14 | tripzero | root@LinuxICE:/# mount /proc |
| 18:29.14 | tripzero | mount: can't find /proc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 18:29.17 | Titan8990_ | you will need to recompile a new kernel each time you want to upgrade or switch back to the debian kernels |
| 18:29.20 | beardy | Effectively doesn't affect. |
| 18:29.31 | jelly-home | !spank beardy |
| 18:29.31 | dpkg | bends beardy over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 18:29.40 | Titan8990_ | tripzero, mount -t proc /proc <mountpoint |
| 18:30.02 | jelly-home | mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 18:30.08 | jelly-home | ;-) |
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| 18:30.14 | beardy | !mount jelly-home |
| 18:30.20 | zol_ | it won't ok, thanks Titan8990_ |
| 18:30.21 | tripzero | jelly-home: ding :) |
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| 18:30.33 | jelly-home | beardy: you need operator privileges for that |
| 18:30.37 | zol_ | Titan8990_: then I have to recompile manually on each upgrade of the source ? |
| 18:30.48 | zol_ | it's not renamed |
| 18:30.55 | jelly-home | I'm not at liberty to divulge the exact kind of operator. |
| 18:30.55 | Titan8990_ | zol_, your modules shouldn't be compiling against the sources of the debian kernel |
| 18:31.03 | zol_ | just the modify date |
| 18:31.07 | Titan8990_ | zol_, they should be compiling using the sources of your custom kernel |
| 18:31.11 | beardy | jelly-home: I'll su you! |
| 18:31.15 | shadowcat | anyone know the package for mime types in debian? |
| 18:31.16 | Akuw | hi |
| 18:31.26 | shadowcat | apparently Kate is complaining that I do not have mime types installed |
| 18:31.29 | jelly-home | beardy: make me a sandwich |
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| 18:31.49 | tripzero | permission denied |
| 18:32.00 | zol_ | this is the debian kernel |
| 18:32.10 | zol_ | this is the package linux-source |
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| 18:32.23 | Akuw | i can t play this video http://www.joomlaholic.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=3&task=videodirectlink&id=706 |
| 18:32.28 | zol_ | then I uncompress it: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26 |
| 18:32.35 | abrotman | Akuw: on GnewSense ? |
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| 18:32.43 | Akuw | i have gnash |
| 18:32.44 | Akuw | no |
| 18:32.50 | zol_ | then cd linux-source-2.6.26 ; make menuconfig ; make-kpkg etc |
| 18:32.56 | zol_ | dpkg -i the deb |
| 18:32.56 | dpkg | package the deb is already installed |
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| 18:33.01 | Akuw | i install Debian Lenny on my laptop |
| 18:33.09 | shadowcat | dpkg -i deb |
| 18:33.10 | dpkg | removes a liver from shadowcat and replaces it with deb |
| 18:33.12 | beardy | jelly-home: *** No rule to make target `sandwich'. Stop. |
| 18:33.14 | shadowcat | hmm.... |
| 18:33.21 | zol_ | Titan8990_: is it considered as an "custum" kernel ? |
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| 18:33.55 | epsas | hrmm |
| 18:34.02 | epsas | how big can kernels be? |
| 18:34.10 | beardy | Very. |
| 18:34.12 | epsas | i am trying to compile a standalone/no-module-loading kernel |
| 18:34.18 | epsas | and i can't seem to get it under 4MB |
| 18:34.27 | beardy | Terrible. |
| 18:34.29 | Titan8990_ | zol_, uhh, yes but very pointless |
| 18:34.46 | beardy | epsas: Do you compile in everything you can find? |
| 18:34.46 | Titan8990_ | zol_, the point is to change configuration options in the kernel or use non-debian sources |
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| 18:35.02 | epsas | i am getting "not syncing - Out of memory and no killable processes" when i try to boot |
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| 18:35.09 | epsas | beardy - What? |
| 18:35.18 | jelly-home | epsas: which architecture? |
| 18:35.25 | epsas | beardy - x86 32 bit |
| 18:35.34 | zol_ | yes à make menu config, I change de .config |
| 18:35.41 | Akuw | abrotman> then_ |
| 18:35.49 | jelly-home | epsas: why are you building a custom kernel? |
| 18:35.59 | Akuw | what i need to install |
| 18:35.59 | epsas | err - jelly-home x86 32 bit |
| 18:36.03 | zol_ | my question is: on each update, do I have to recompile all the kernel ? |
| 18:36.03 | epsas | for grsecurity2 |
| 18:36.06 | abrotman | Akuw: probably real flash |
| 18:36.08 | epsas | it's a firewall |
| 18:36.23 | loXx | zol_: i you wish ;-) |
| 18:36.24 | zol_ | 1 / mount, I have a new linux-source in update with dist-upgrade |
| 18:36.28 | Akuw | how can i install it using aptitude_ |
| 18:36.28 | loXx | +f |
| 18:36.41 | jelly-home | epsas: oh, we only use grsec on shared hosting |
| 18:36.43 | zol_ | the source is modified? |
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| 18:37.18 | zol_ | linux-source from update.security ... yes I think it's important |
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| 18:39.40 | loXx | zol_: for kernel security updates either use the default kernel (automatic update via apt) or recompile your custom kernel if serious bugs occour |
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| 18:40.41 | Akuw | how can i install flash using aptitude |
| 18:40.51 | abrotman | !tell Akuw about adobe flash |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | again ... |
| 18:41.45 | wsxws | is it possible to 'meet' in a screen, when two users log into a webserver using putty ? |
| 18:42.00 | abrotman | wsxws: for what purpose ? |
| 18:42.05 | Titan8990_ | zol_, a distro's kernel sources are typically never the same as vanilla sources (unmodified) |
| 18:42.11 | beardy | wsxws: Yes. |
| 18:42.26 | wsxws | for training-purpose |
| 18:42.45 | wsxws | what would be the screen-options to do so ? |
| 18:42.48 | abrotman | wsxws: so one watching the other ? |
| 18:43.03 | wsxws | both watchng eachother |
| 18:43.31 | beardy | wsxws: 'man screen' search acladd |
| 18:44.31 | beardy | wsxws: You can use ytalk too, it can run a shell. |
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| 18:45.07 | wsxws | i dont wann use any other tool, it should work in a putty-shell |
| 18:45.24 | wsxws | but i cant figure out the right options |
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| 18:45.36 | wsxws | (i know that it is possible though) |
| 18:45.43 | beardy | It does. |
| 18:45.56 | beardy | Read, and do what you are told. |
| 18:46.06 | Kuifje111 | hello all. what is the difference between "!" and "*" in the /etc/shadow file in the place where the hash normally is? |
| 18:46.09 | BoomerET | You can't make me, nyah nyah |
| 18:46.49 | NoFX_SBC | i try compile an older kernel on lenny with this method: add the deb-src etch on sources.list, run a apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.18; apt-get -b linux-source-2.6.18... this is correct? |
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| 18:47.46 | valdyn | NoFX_SBC: whats the point ? that kernel is available in etch |
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| 18:48.24 | zol_ | merci loXx Titan8990_ |
| 18:48.30 | NoFX_SBC | valdyn yes... but i need install on lenny because the current kernel with xen on lenny is bug.. |
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| 18:48.41 | NoFX_SBC | s/is/have/ |
| 18:48.50 | valdyn | NoFX_SBC: you can install the etch kernel in lenny |
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| 18:49.11 | NoFX_SBC | valdyn how i do this? what is the best way? |
| 18:49.18 | valdyn | !pdo |
| 18:49.18 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 18:49.39 | JoXo009 | Hi, got anybody experience in building virtualbox-ose-guest-utils? |
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| 18:51.05 | valdyn | JoXo009: whats wrong with aptitude install virtualbox-ose-guest-utils ? |
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| 18:51.40 | otakup0pe | sup is thye debian mysql maintainer in the house |
| 18:51.47 | JoXo009 | nothing, I search for advice because we are stuck in building them for tinycore |
| 18:51.54 | wsxws | now i read man sreen again and i still cant figure out the syntax |
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| 18:52.39 | JoXo009 | Seamingly we got problems with conficting permissions |
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| 18:53.17 | Titan8990_ | JoXo009, #virtualbox |
| 18:53.27 | Titan8990_ | JoXo009, doesn't sound very debian related to me |
| 18:53.56 | Cobi | Is linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686 from lenny effected by the NULL pointer dereference exploit (Security Focus 36038)? |
| 18:54.13 | abrotman | Cobi: depends which version of that package you have |
| 18:54.21 | JoXo009 | I asked because I found a packet with named meintainers : Debian Virtualbox Team |
| 18:54.27 | abrotman | Cobi: cat /proc/version |
| 18:54.43 | Cobi | I haven't restarted yet. |
| 18:54.51 | abrotman | since when? |
| 18:55.02 | JoXo009 | crating the 3.0.4 ubuntu version |
| 18:55.04 | abrotman | Cobi: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686 ... which version is installed ? |
| 18:55.06 | Cobi | I want to make sure I pulled the right update before I reboot so I don't have to do it twice. |
| 18:55.07 | wsxws | abrotman could you help me about my issue please ? |
| 18:55.22 | abrotman | wsxws: beardy told you which optoin to look at |
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| 18:55.22 | Cobi | 2.6.26-17lenny2 |
| 18:55.39 | jelly-home | Cobi: reading the package changelog might help |
| 18:55.58 | abrotman | Cobi: http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1862 .. i believe is what oyu're refering to |
| 18:56.15 | wsxws | abrotman i dont get that manual. i dont understand the syntax of acladd |
| 18:56.24 | abrotman | Cobi: what oyu have seems to be the newest version available |
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| 18:56.36 | wsxws | i wasnt here if i had understood man screen |
| 18:56.49 | Douglas | i am trying to set up a debian kickstart |
| 18:56.53 | Douglas | to use a pre seed file over nfs |
| 18:57.01 | Douglas | what would i put in the pxelinux.cfg/default file? |
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| 18:57.15 | Cobi | abrotman: Thanks for the link, and looking at that, it says that the version I have is not vulnerable. |
| 18:57.28 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:57.41 | Titan8990_ | Douglas, isn't that a red-hat specific thing? |
| 18:57.45 | Douglas | is it?. |
| 18:57.54 | abrotman | kickstart is .. debian has fai or dphys |
| 18:57.55 | Douglas | is there a way to make it pull the preseed file off the tftp server then? |
| 18:58.14 | Douglas | i thought nfs was the only way to do it |
| 18:58.14 | Titan8990_ | Douglas, see abrotman's reply |
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| 18:58.20 | Douglas | fai |
| 18:58.21 | Douglas | searches |
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| 18:59.13 | Pericius_ | has anyone installed debian as guest under xp host virtualbox? |
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| 18:59.37 | Pericius_ | i cannot locate Virtualbox guest additions iso within host even though i mounted it |
| 18:59.39 | Titan8990_ | host OS shouldn't really matter with vbox |
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| 19:00.04 | Titan8990_ | Pericius_, you have to specify a mount point, it will be at the mount point you specified |
| 19:00.08 | Pericius_ | and i clicked install guest additions |
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| 19:00.36 | Titan8990_ | Pericius_, you have to mount it in the guest OS, not just the vbox program |
| 19:00.52 | Douglas | Titan8990: i know you can put url= or something like that in the debian options |
| 19:00.58 | Douglas | but i dont want to have an apache set up for it |
| 19:00.59 | Douglas | just for that |
| 19:02.11 | wsxws | screen --acladd is an unknown option and screen -acladd doesnt work neither |
| 19:02.17 | steampunkey | does anyone know if there's a way to enable the "back button" history for pages opened in new tabs (ie middle click on a link)? |
| 19:02.22 | wsxws | could someone please help me in the syntax ? |
| 19:02.48 | steampunkey | [epiphany enables it] |
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| 19:03.57 | abrotman | wsxws: screen addacl <username> ? |
| 19:04.56 | wsxws | canot exec acladd..... |
| 19:05.06 | llutz | wsxws: if you read carefully, you'll see it's a screenrc option |
| 19:05.17 | wsxws | *sigh* |
| 19:05.35 | wsxws | i read this manpage several times |
| 19:05.49 | wsxws | i read it fast, i read it slowly, and i dont get it |
| 19:05.51 | llutz | i said carefully, not often :) |
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| 19:06.40 | llutz | wsxws: or use command-mode. all written in man-page |
| 19:06.41 | wsxws | what does screenrc option mean ? |
| 19:06.47 | abrotman | wsxws: google "screen acladd" .. i see a few pages that might help |
| 19:07.01 | abrotman | though i'd probably skip the one on redhat.com |
| 19:07.19 | justin | wsxws: it means you haven't actually read the man page |
| 19:07.27 | wsxws | i did google exact this, and they all repeat the manpage |
| 19:07.33 | abrotman | that's not true |
| 19:07.35 | shadowcat | anyone running gnome in a vnc? |
| 19:07.42 | shadowcat | having problems actually getting anything related with gnome to start |
| 19:07.43 | wsxws | nope, it means that i dont understand the manpage, bt i already said so |
| 19:07.53 | llutz | wsxws: they repeat the man-page, because its described there |
| 19:07.54 | shadowcat | it appears that the window manager starts, but I'm not getting any panels |
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| 19:08.01 | shadowcat | or a background, just a blank screen |
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| 19:08.32 | wsxws | would it be that hard to simply tell me waht to do ? |
| 19:09.06 | abrotman | hoarycripple: see ... |
| 19:09.14 | abrotman | thinks that was the person |
| 19:09.30 | justin | shadowcat: how are you starting gnome |
| 19:10.33 | shadowcat | justin: the vnc script is starting it by using /etc/X11/Xsession |
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| 19:10.53 | shadowcat | and x-window-manager & |
| 19:11.17 | justin | shadowcat: well there you go, x-window-manager is not gnome |
| 19:11.22 | shadowcat | but I am getting an xauth error, "xauth (stdin):1 bad display name in add command" |
| 19:11.29 | shadowcat | justin: worked before |
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| 19:11.39 | justin | no, itnever did |
| 19:11.50 | justin | you want x-session-manager |
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| 19:12.58 | shadowcat | nope, that isn't working either |
| 19:13.16 | justin | x-window-manager starts just the window manger |
| 19:13.19 | justin | thus your problem |
| 19:13.36 | abrotman | i thought gnome in VNC wanted /usr/bin/gnome-session ? |
| 19:13.40 | shadowcat | well.... I added both commands |
| 19:14.03 | shadowcat | right now I'm looking at a gnome-terminal |
| 19:14.07 | shadowcat | so gnome is running |
| 19:14.12 | shadowcat | but I'm just not getting any panels |
| 19:14.16 | shadowcat | for some strange reason |
| 19:14.18 | wsxws | i found another way now, without any acladd. |
| 19:14.26 | justin | abrotman: x-session-manager would be a link to gnome-session |
| 19:14.27 | shadowcat | could it have something to do with that xauth error I'm getting? |
| 19:14.42 | abrotman | justin: if it's set that way i guess |
| 19:15.23 | justin | shadowcat: how are you starting vnc? |
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| 19:16.01 | shadowcat | vncserver -geometry 1024x768 etc |
| 19:16.49 | justin | etc? |
| 19:17.48 | shadowcat | long command string |
| 19:17.51 | shadowcat | it's standard arguments |
| 19:18.29 | shadowcat | vncserver :64 -geometry -name -localhost |
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| 19:19.23 | shadowcat | hmm.... |
| 19:19.25 | shadowcat | this is strange |
| 19:19.39 | shadowcat | the new xstartup file contains x-session-manager in it |
| 19:19.46 | shadowcat | but it still only starts a gnome-terminal |
| 19:19.56 | shadowcat | hold on, let me pastebin what I'm using |
| 19:21.13 | shadowcat | http://pastebin.ca/1546159 |
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| 19:24.22 | justin | shadowcat: mv ~/.vnc/xstartup /tmp |
| 19:24.29 | justin | shadowcat: then try again |
| 19:24.49 | shadowcat | hmm |
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| 19:25.28 | justin | since what you have configured, and what you want to do are two different things |
| 19:25.36 | justin | and you dont seem to be listening heh... |
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| 19:26.46 | shadowcat | moved |
| 19:26.49 | shadowcat | hmm |
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| 19:27.11 | shadowcat | actually I haven't manually configured anything |
| 19:27.24 | shadowcat | that's the file that comes with vnc4server |
| 19:27.33 | shadowcat | just tried what you suggested, no luck |
| 19:28.05 | justin | vnc by default on debian starts a normal X session |
| 19:28.14 | justin | what did you do to make it do something else? |
| 19:28.21 | shadowcat | didn't do anything |
| 19:28.32 | justin | where did that file come from then? |
| 19:28.50 | shadowcat | if I remove ~/.vnc and rerun the server |
| 19:28.55 | shadowcat | it'll recreate the file |
| 19:29.00 | shadowcat | so I assume from the maintainer |
| 19:29.08 | justin | hmm |
| 19:29.25 | justin | wonder if vnc4server is broken compared to tightvnc and realvnc |
| 19:29.59 | justin | did you try just uncommenting the 2 lines at the top like it says? |
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| 19:32.34 | shadowcat | sec |
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| 19:32.55 | shadowcat | funny |
| 19:32.59 | shadowcat | I uncomment those two |
| 19:33.10 | shadowcat | and I just get a blank X screen with a big X as a cursor |
| 19:33.21 | shadowcat | that last aptitude upgrade must have broken something |
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| 19:34.04 | justin | hmm |
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| 19:34.19 | justin | this isn't that complicatd heh.... |
| 19:34.34 | justin | does it work if you just make the file 'exec gnome-session'? |
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| 19:34.51 | shadowcat | I just added gnome-session to the end of that script actually |
| 19:34.52 | shadowcat | no go |
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| 19:35.51 | shadowcat | nope |
| 19:36.11 | shadowcat | commenting out everything and just adding a gnome-session yields a blank screen |
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| 19:36.55 | wsxws | i created a screenrc wir multiuser and acladd, bt wehn i try to attach to a screen with another user it asks me for a password now. what to type in there ? ( i didn not set any password, aber the userpasswords dont work neither) |
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| 19:40.23 | To | hi!! |
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| 19:48.35 | c4pt | i have a usb webcam and i am using linux-image-2.26-2-xen-686 |
| 19:48.45 | c4pt | i dont see /dev/video0 |
| 19:48.45 | c4pt | ? |
| 19:48.58 | c4pt | how can i link the usb device to /dev/video0? |
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| 19:49.58 | Pericius | what's the graphical system debian uses for it's installer? |
| 19:50.08 | patrikf | gtk, I think. |
| 19:50.19 | Pericius | how come it gets up so quick |
| 19:50.46 | Hydroxide | Pericius: it doesn't use X |
| 19:50.54 | Hydroxide | Pericius: it's GTK with DirectFB |
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| 19:51.01 | pipeline | that doesn't have much to do with it |
| 19:51.08 | Titan8990_ | i always thought it was ncurses based |
| 19:51.09 | pipeline | anaconda starts basically instantly, and it still uses X11 :P |
| 19:51.17 | Hydroxide | pipeline: possibly not - that was my guess as to the reason. |
| 19:51.20 | pipeline | Titan8990_: the debian-installer supports several frontends |
| 19:51.23 | abrotman | Hydroxide: the correct answer was "Totally awesome programming by the installer team!" :) |
| 19:51.25 | Hydroxide | Titan8990_: definitely not the graphical installer, no |
| 19:51.29 | Hydroxide | abrotman: they are damn good :) |
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| 19:51.37 | pipeline | Titan8990_: the gtk and ncurses versions are surprisingly similar though |
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| 19:51.46 | abrotman | pipeline: AFAIK, they're the same .. |
| 19:51.56 | pipeline | obviously they're not the same :) |
| 19:52.03 | Pericius | Hydroxide: can i setup just consoles to run under directfb? |
| 19:52.07 | abrotman | pipeline: i mean, same backend, different frontend |
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| 19:53.06 | Hydroxide | Pericius: I think directfb can be used on the console, but I don't know any details. I wouldn't assume it'd be as suitable for general use as it is for the installer |
| 19:53.33 | Hydroxide | Pericius: but there are various framebuffer console options already available in debian and other linux distros depending on your graphics chipset |
| 19:54.02 | Pericius | Hydroxide: the graphics chipset is virtualbox :) |
| 19:54.19 | Hydroxide | Pericius: gotcha :) not sure what it emulates |
| 19:54.37 | abrotman | oh, hopefully S3 .. that'd be great! |
| 19:54.45 | Titan8990_ | Hydroxide, i didn't know there was a graphical installer.... |
| 19:54.54 | Hydroxide | Titan8990_: yep. since etch I believe |
| 19:54.55 | abrotman | Titan8990_: been there since .. etch i think |
| 19:55.00 | Hydroxide | abrotman: jinx! |
| 19:55.01 | Psi-Jack_ | Hmmm |
| 19:55.08 | Psi-Jack_ | Gosa's a bit... Strange. heh |
| 19:55.17 | Pericius | grub2 or no? |
| 19:55.21 | Titan8990_ | runs screaming from livecd installers and other graphical installers |
| 19:55.28 | Psi-Jack_ | Pericius, Did you read the warning? |
| 19:55.39 | maligor | Titan8990, there's gentoo also, heh |
| 19:55.41 | Pericius | well, it warns about nothin in particular |
| 19:55.47 | maligor | or LFS |
| 19:55.50 | Titan8990_ | maligor, thats what i am typing on right now |
| 19:56.00 | Hydroxide | Titan8990_: it's just an alternate boot option from the normal CD menu, and it's the exact same sequence of screens, etc |
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| 19:56.09 | Titan8990_ | maligor, Linux boole 2.6.27-gentoo-r8 #8 Tue Jun 9 06:41:14 EDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU 420 @ 1.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| 19:56.13 | maligor | Titan8990, a industrial spy, eh |
| 19:56.17 | Hydroxide | Titan8990_: with the same options (except more languages are supported in the graphical installer due to fonts) |
| 19:56.31 | Titan8990_ | maligor, bah, debian is running on the desktop next to my laptop :) |
| 19:56.39 | Titan8990_ | Hydroxide, makes sense |
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| 19:57.00 | Hydroxide | Titan8990_: yep. I believe debian live does allow you to install as of lenny, but that's not the "standard" way |
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| 19:57.25 | Titan8990_ | Hydroxide, i never install desktop packages of distros |
| 19:57.26 | abrotman | you could use debootstrap |
| 19:57.36 | Hydroxide | Titan8990_: as you like. some of them work nicely :) |
| 19:57.36 | Titan8990_ | Hydroxide, i like to start with a minimal of everything |
| 19:57.40 | Hydroxide | ok |
| 19:57.54 | igrek | Hello |
| 19:58.01 | BoomerET | waves |
| 19:58.03 | Titan8990_ | specifically, network minimal installs |
| 19:58.08 | Hydroxide | Pericius: apparently vesafb and uvesafb can be used in virtualbox linux guests |
| 19:58.17 | Hydroxide | Pericius: I don't know how well it works - check The Internet |
| 19:58.18 | Hydroxide | :) |
| 19:58.41 | igrek | Is there a brightness control in KMPlayer? |
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| 19:59.41 | wald0 | is there a way to configure apt so that it will automatically delete the downloaded packages from /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
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| 20:00.43 | Titan8990_ | if there isn't you could just run aptitude clean or aptitude autoclean in cron |
| 20:01.25 | igrek | wald0: yes, there is an option to put into /etc/apt/apt.conf.d, something like auto-clean, man for it |
| 20:02.12 | abrotman | there's a size-limit option |
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| 20:03.51 | carlitos__ | hi all |
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| 20:03.59 | carlitos__ | I need some help with some hardware pls |
| 20:04.05 | carlitos__ | maybe you can help me |
| 20:04.06 | carlitos__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:04.27 | carlitos__ | I got this in my server 2 ( 2 ) x PCI-X / 133 MHz - de longitud larga |
| 20:04.41 | carlitos__ | and this is a card : PCI-X, 64-bit PCI interface, backward compatible to 32-bit/33 MHz PCI bus |
| 20:04.47 | carlitos__ | both be compatible ? |
| 20:04.49 | pipeline | carlitos__: yes |
| 20:05.09 | carlitos__ | pipeline: thanks |
| 20:05.55 | carlitos__ | I was really worried |
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| 20:05.55 | carlitos__ | because I bouthg then by internet |
| 20:05.55 | pipeline | carlitos__: in my experience, any PCI-X card will fit into any PCI-X slot, assuming the voltage is compatible (and it won't physically fit if the voltage is incompatible... you just won't be able to plug it in.) |
| 20:05.56 | carlitos__ | :S |
| 20:05.56 | igrek | wald0: try APT::Clean-Installed "true"; |
| 20:06.01 | pipeline | carlitos__: the tricky part is that not all PCI-X cards will work in a regular, non-X PCI slot. |
| 20:06.10 | pipeline | carlitos__: of course, non-X PCI is so slow, you would never want to plug a PCI-X card into it anyway |
| 20:06.22 | carlitos__ | pipeline: yeah |
| 20:06.27 | carlitos__ | pipeline: thanks again |
| 20:06.29 | carlitos__ | :D |
| 20:07.20 | wald0 | igrek: mmh, im looking that it is enabled by default ? |
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| 20:08.41 | loXx | wald0: put that line in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 20:08.51 | igrek | wald0: I don't use it, I just read the man recently and recall there was something on the question |
| 20:09.14 | igrek | KMPlayer users here? |
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| 20:10.16 | rudi_s | !tell igrek about any body |
| 20:10.31 | rudi_s | !tell igrek about anyone |
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| 20:11.15 | igrek | rudi_s: did that earlier :-) |
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| 20:11.31 | g0uest_007 | hi, i have problem with mapping. on some stages hd0 = sda and sometimes - sdb. I've changed /boot/grub/device.map and updated grub. On boot, when i go to grub shell hd0 is what i need. But when it boot - it drops to shell in initramfs and i see that my drive now sdb. How to fix that? |
| 20:12.46 | Titan8990_ | !tell g0uest_007 about 70 |
| 20:13.13 | g0uest_007 | ethernet? |
| 20:13.21 | g0uest_007 | i don't need ethernet |
| 20:13.23 | Titan8990_ | sorry wrong one |
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| 20:14.05 | Titan8990_ | g0uest_007, going to be 60 storage rules |
| 20:14.16 | shadowcat | hi, does anyone know how to regenerate an XAuth file? |
| 20:14.18 | Titan8990_ | g0uest_007, although, you could just configure everything to use UUID |
| 20:14.24 | g0uest_007 | ahh like ethernet |
| 20:14.41 | g0uest_007 | sure, i don't know why debian don't do it out of the box |
| 20:14.44 | g0uest_007 | :)) |
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| 20:14.54 | g0uest_007 | but anyway i want a more common order |
| 20:15.50 | Titan8990_ | i only had an issue like that once and it had to do with my hardware RAID controller |
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| 20:16.12 | Titan8990_ | although, it was much more severe as the drive letters would change while the system was live |
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| 20:21.42 | Pericius | now that i installed xorg, how to configure it? |
| 20:22.04 | abrotman | generally, you shouldn't have to |
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| 20:22.49 | g0uest_007 | Titan8990_: no clue what to write into 60-p..-storage.rules |
| 20:22.50 | Pericius | ok, how to change the res then |
| 20:23.04 | aucabarcas | Pericius, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 20:23.17 | igrek | Pericius: Xorg -configure |
| 20:23.55 | abrotman | Pericius: xrandr |
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| 20:24.01 | Pericius | :D |
| 20:24.33 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a special way to empty /tmp as a user? |
| 20:25.08 | jpinx-eeepc | apart from su && rm -R /tmp/* |
| 20:25.48 | igrek | jpinx-eeepc: reboot? ;-) |
| 20:26.00 | jpinx-eeepc | igrek: no thanks ;) |
| 20:26.10 | Pericius | am i supposed to get black screen on Xorg -configure? |
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| 20:28.15 | abrotman | Pericius: why are you doing that? |
| 20:28.25 | igrek | Pericius: worked just fine for me |
| 20:28.26 | Pericius | wanna get higher res |
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| 20:29.54 | igrek | Pericius: although I have an LCD display |
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| 20:31.32 | enouf | shadowcat: regenerate? restart x, and for what? (man xauth, see generate option) and what happened to the original? |
| 20:31.50 | shadowcat | nevermind, I fixed it |
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| 20:31.55 | enouf | shadowcat: or, let your DM do it |
| 20:32.02 | shadowcat | yes |
| 20:32.04 | shadowcat | that's what I did |
| 20:32.07 | shadowcat | I moved the file |
| 20:32.11 | shadowcat | and gnome created a new one |
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| 20:36.17 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: you could setup a /tmp using tmpfs, then just umount it would make it gone - also, note /etc/default/rcS contains TMPTIME= (though that's amt of days to save, across reboots, and 0 is usually there). Lastly, /tmp is 1777, that's why you need root privs to remove others' files |
| 20:36.17 | abrotman | Pericius: you're doing it the wrong way ... |
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| 20:36.41 | Pericius | oh? |
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| 20:37.36 | loXx | are there global cflags among all x86 (32bit) packages like -O2? or is each package compiled with different flags? |
| 20:37.56 | abrotman | Pericius: i told oyu that 20 minutes ago .. |
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| 20:38.26 | Pericius | bah, i edited the xorg.conf manually, now it works |
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| 20:39.34 | Pericius | ok, i need a suggestion for one mean terminal... it has to have tabs, be able to get maximized in X colors setup etc. |
| 20:39.37 | Pericius | anyone? |
| 20:39.50 | abrotman | apt-cache search terminal tabs ? |
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| 20:40.25 | roadfish | I use .bashrc to set aliases and environment variables for when I use bash. But is there some file that I could use that would set environment variables for all shells such as ksh or plain old sh? |
| 20:40.27 | Titan8990_ | Pericius, mrxvt |
| 20:40.43 | enouf | mrxvt |
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| 20:41.13 | enouf | roadfish: maybe .profile |
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| 20:42.00 | enouf | loXx: i don't know - maybe try #debian-mentors on irc,oftc.net |
| 20:42.43 | Hobbes` | roadfish .profile would work for bash/sh compatible shells |
| 20:43.21 | enouf | csh has a .cshrc, IINM |
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| 20:45.11 | Pericius | fast... how can i rollback the last apt-get, and whatever it installed? |
| 20:45.21 | Pericius | all the dependencies etc |
| 20:45.34 | abrotman | fast ? |
| 20:45.46 | enouf | ... |
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| 20:46.14 | roadfish | enouf/Hobbes`:ok thanks. The .profile says isn't executed for bash if I have a .bashrc but this .profile does seem useful. |
| 20:46.21 | Pericius | this lxterm installed a lot od things, and i don't want them |
| 20:46.47 | enouf | dpkg.log |
| 20:47.17 | enouf | update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
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| 20:47.41 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: interesting ideas for /tmp - thanks :) |
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| 20:50.27 | Pericius | is there a command that completely removes installed package along with the dependencies that came along with it? |
| 20:51.00 | enouf | in lenny, aptitude should |
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| 20:52.25 | enouf | although, you might want to consider disabling the auto-installation of Recommends, so in the future, not so many pkgs are installed - aptitude -R ... would accomplish that on the command line |
| 20:53.52 | Pericius | remove package then --purge-unused? |
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| 21:02.07 | hakr | hmm |
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| 21:03.58 | arvind_khadri | what does dpkg-source -x do?? |
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| 21:05.30 | loXx | eXtract |
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| 21:10.33 | hakr | GO BEARS |
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| 21:11.25 | dhodgkin | in Debian how are the ini files in /etc/php/conf.d for PHP extensions handled? |
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| 21:17.15 | kompulsive | hakr; i like that. ;-p |
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| 21:20.16 | mutable_malachi | Question: is there a default sql pass for debian? |
| 21:20.27 | mutable_malachi | The usual 'mysql -u root' business isn't working for me. |
| 21:20.44 | nsx | you're normally prompted for it by apt; try dpkg --reconfigure mysql-server |
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| 21:21.40 | mutable_malachi | Ah, okay, better. :) |
| 21:21.48 | mutable_malachi | Maybe I just set it during installation and forgot. Thanks! |
| 21:21.52 | nsx | np |
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| 21:24.28 | Pericius | does debian already include kernel with compiled in framebuffer support? |
| 21:24.46 | nsx | I believe it does, yeah. it doesn't pass the vga= argument to it by default, though. |
| 21:24.47 | jair | quick general question. I am trying to decide if I should do raid 5 or raid 6 also if i do not have the BBU or some kind of battery on the IBM 3850m2 server it recommends me to use write through instead of write back with BBU |
| 21:24.47 | enouf | yes |
| 21:24.52 | nsx | you need to modify your grub.conf or something |
| 21:24.58 | jair | anyone here run Debian lenny in big IBM servers |
| 21:25.14 | jair | I am testing KVM virtualization in one of this big monsters :) |
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| 21:25.18 | Pericius | nsx: u mean, just put the video mode i want? |
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| 21:25.38 | nsx | Pericius: that should work, if I remember correctly. I typically use custom kernels anyway though.. it's been a while since I've used a distro kernel... |
| 21:25.59 | enouf | egrep 'FRAME|FB|CONSOLE' /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 21:26.13 | nsx | ok I say that but I'm actually using a distro kernel on this machine, I'm just not using fb consoles |
| 21:26.13 | enouf | !fbcon resolution |
| 21:26.13 | dpkg | fbcon resolution is probably run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 21:26.44 | nsx | I can't believe I said grub.conf - I meant menu.lst |
| 21:26.47 | Pericius | there vga modes suck big time |
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| 21:27.01 | Pericius | nsx: yeah, i understood what u wanted |
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| 21:27.35 | nsx | Pericius, grub.conf is what red hat uses, I believe :| |
| 21:27.58 | enouf | grub2 uses a grub.cfg i believe |
| 21:29.00 | nsx | I haven't really played with fb consoles in a while, but if I were to still use them, I'd still use that vesafb-tng driver, if the kernel still hasn't added that same kind of support to its own vesa driver |
| 21:29.25 | nsx | unless I was never going to use X on that machine and a gpu-specific fb driver would be ok |
| 21:29.36 | nsx | so to me, a custom kernel compile would be necessary anyway. |
| 21:29.37 | enouf | yeah, that's old, uvesafb supercedes it |
| 21:29.41 | nsx | ah ok |
| 21:29.48 | jair | ok I guess no one :( |
| 21:30.39 | nsx | guess not, jair |
| 21:30.58 | enouf | jair: you want caching, especially with no BBU/UPS |
| 21:31.00 | nsx | perhaps you're more likely to get the feedback you want from a forum or mailing list post |
| 21:32.14 | jair | enouf: seriously I have this options: 1) write back with BBU 2)always write back 3) write Through |
| 21:32.37 | nsx | what is BBU? |
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| 21:33.58 | enouf | jair: i cannot say explicitly ... one moment though |
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| 21:34.08 | jair | enouf: ok |
| 21:34.17 | enouf | nsx: battery back up i presume |
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| 21:35.52 | Pericius | is the recommendation to use aptitude or apt-get or whatever? |
| 21:36.10 | nsx | for what? |
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| 21:37.48 | Pericius | managing install/uninstall |
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| 21:37.59 | bbelt16ag1 | is it possible to have two instances of ssh server running? can i start one with like a diff config? |
| 21:38.09 | bbelt16ag1 | did already ask in openssh fyi..... |
| 21:38.13 | azeem_ | bbelt16ag1: not on the same port |
| 21:38.33 | nsx | Pericius, it's what most people use for installing new packages and system upgrades, yes |
| 21:38.36 | jair | enouf: so what do you think should I go with the wrote through which degrade the performance.? |
| 21:39.11 | bbelt16ag1 | i know azeem |
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| 21:41.30 | enouf | jair: i would write to debian-user mailing list, or even a specific linux.kernel one and ask, since newer FSType mount options (think ext4 and extents and such) also affect how data is handled on upon a power failure. i used to use data=ordered mode, more about all that http://lwn.net/Articles/326471/ and check out this; http://www.westnet.com/~gsmith/content/linux-pdflush.htm |
| 21:41.46 | enouf | jair: i can't give you any definitive answers, sorry |
| 21:42.13 | jair | I see |
| 21:42.21 | jair | I will be hacing a UPS on the server soon |
| 21:42.43 | jair | enouf: I think i will have it using the always writeback |
| 21:43.02 | enouf | Pericius: newer apt versions behave more like aptitude, when it comes to handling dependencies, and their tracking/removal, etc - i think since version 0.7.x see changelogs |
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| 21:43.15 | jair | I think that way is the best performance approach for that 3850m2 |
| 21:43.24 | jair | enouf: but thank you so much for the info |
| 21:43.28 | enouf | Pericius: i believe there hasn't been 'conflicts' with using both, since ~ etch |
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| 21:43.42 | poisonbit | bbelt16ag1, just check -f of man sshd, copy the /etc/init.d/ssh script to /etc/init.d/decond_ssh, edit the $SSHD_OPTS (add -f /my/second/config), and then: update-rc.d second_ssh defaults |
| 21:43.51 | enouf | jair: man tune2fs, see what journal_writeback says/mentions |
| 21:44.05 | bbelt16ag1 | openssh said to use -p |
| 21:44.13 | bbelt16ag1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.16 | enouf | jair: er 'journal_data_writeback' |
| 21:44.19 | bbelt16ag1 | ok |
| 21:44.25 | bbelt16ag1 | thanks poisonbit |
| 21:44.31 | bbelt16ag1 | now i got another one |
| 21:44.33 | bbelt16ag1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.35 | bbelt16ag1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.50 | jair | enouf: thank you very much |
| 21:44.57 | bbelt16ag1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.01 | enouf | jair: i'd be most concerned with data integrity 1st, performance after that |
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| 21:45.13 | enouf | jair: no prob ;-) |
| 21:45.44 | bbelt16ag1 | nm |
| 21:46.19 | jair | enouf: so to conclude if I have an UPS on my system write back should be the way to go |
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| 21:48.10 | enouf | jair: s/should/could/ so long as you trust your UPS and it can handle any longterm power backup if needed |
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| 21:49.37 | enouf | jair: remember, disk crashes don't fall under power failure category, however similar they might appear... |
| 21:50.49 | enouf | jair: could try also (maybe ##hardware) and ##linux for others' input |
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| 21:51.10 | enouf | er /other's/ |
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| 21:52.51 | jair | enouf: thank you |
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| 21:53.13 | jair | enouf: I think the raid card comes with a battery backup, but I will make sure |
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| 21:55.46 | Cerulean | I'm trying to uninstall the python2.4 package. I used "apt-get remove python2.4", and I'm told everything succeeds, but all of the python2.4 files (the main binary, /usr/lib/python2.4, etc.) all stay there! |
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| 21:59.07 | Titan8990 | Cerulean, apt-get remove --purge <package> |
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| 22:00.57 | flixil | Hello... I got no network during the debian installation, so I skipped that part of the installer. Is there a way to run it again now that I got the system set up? |
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| 22:02.13 | bbelt16ag1 | does hosts.deny take ports? |
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| 22:05.02 | Titan8990 | flixil, no |
| 22:05.06 | bbelt16ag1 | nm i see it |
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| 22:05.40 | Titan8990 | flixil, you can configure it in /etc/network/interfaces or a gui like network-manager |
| 22:05.55 | Titan8990 | flixil, but if you use interfaces, you need to disable network-manager |
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| 22:06.39 | flixil | Titan8990, I guess for a laptop network-manager is more suitable in order to switch from net to net? |
| 22:07.29 | Titan8990 | flixil, its w/e you prefer, i never use any type of gui networking tools |
| 22:07.41 | Titan8990 | but i am a networking professional |
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| 22:08.11 | flixil | Thanks Titan8990 |
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| 22:10.49 | Titan8990 | !next |
| 22:10.49 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 22:11.11 | Titan8990 | now serving ticket #11832 |
| 22:11.51 | bbelt16ag1 | hey peeps does debian got a nice firewall how to out there |
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| 22:12.13 | Titan8990 | bbelt16ag1, LINUX has a firewall built in to the kernel called netfilter |
| 22:12.24 | Titan8990 | typicall controlled by the front-end 'iptables' |
| 22:12.36 | Titan8990 | the docs on netfilter.org are excellent |
| 22:13.16 | Hobart | bbelt16ag1 -> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-firewall-setup |
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| 22:14.18 | Hobart | /cpf/c |
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| 22:14.22 | Hobart | fails irssi |
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| 22:15.28 | Hobart | Anyone around know where in the initrd (or boot process in general) Debian activates swap? Need to figure out why my Etch system is mounting a swap partition before md starts the raid1 mirror of it |
| 22:15.47 | Hobart | (the above is not a solicitation for differing opinions on swapfile / raid setup) |
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| 22:19.53 | steampunkey | how can i see which packages are most freshly updated? |
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| 22:22.07 | beardy | Squeeze them. |
| 22:22.17 | enouf | beardy: hehe |
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| 22:23.25 | bbelt16ag1 | Titan8990: thanks |
| 22:23.36 | enouf | Hobart: hrm .. my /var/log/boot shows when |
| 22:23.44 | steampunkey | some hw accelerated stuff started dragging, so I'd like to see if anything changed with the radeon driver, libgl or similar. |
| 22:23.45 | enouf | !bootlogd |
| 22:23.45 | dpkg | [bootlogd] disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 22:24.31 | enouf | Wed Aug 26 00:13:31 2009: Will now mount local filesystems:. |
| 22:24.32 | enouf | Wed Aug 26 00:13:31 2009: Will now activate swapfile swap:done. |
| 22:25.13 | enouf | although - this boot was a fsck, so - there's this from earlier |
| 22:25.14 | enouf | Wed Aug 26 00:13:07 2009: System Clock set to: Wed Aug 26 00:13:07 EDT 2009. |
| 22:25.17 | enouf | Wed Aug 26 00:13:07 2009: Activating swap:swapon on /dev/hdc2 |
| 22:26.01 | enouf | steampunkey: check Changelogs and BTS |
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| 22:27.13 | steampunkey | speaking of bugs, my amd64 is networkmanager applet is showing no connection, which causes things like lifearea to think i'm offline. when I'm not. |
| 22:27.40 | enouf | Hobart: ~$ rgrep -i swap /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:27.43 | pickcoder | I don't think I've ever seen network-mangler work properly |
| 22:28.07 | jinnstar | has never had a problem w/ it. |
| 22:28.30 | pickcoder | I guess it's just me and my previous wifi attempts |
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| 22:29.11 | jinnstar | I've found nm-applet to be too sensitive sometimes but keeping a clean wifi list seems to help me out a lot |
| 22:29.29 | dwarder | !version |
| 22:29.29 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 22:29.30 | w0rmh0le | I am a version 1.1.0 PyBorg |
| 22:29.33 | steampunkey | i don't use wifi |
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| 22:30.20 | enouf | dwarder: you can /msg dpkg <factoid> |
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| 22:30.56 | enouf | Hobart: oh, checked settings in /etc/default/mdadm ?\ |
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| 22:41.09 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 22:41.10 | dpkg | < ceige> dpkg: I'm not stupid! I use MSN! |
| 22:41.15 | Hobart | enouf -> yep, and mdadm.conf is correct |
| 22:41.16 | MikeH | I'm having trouble building lirc-modules in squeeze |
| 22:41.20 | MikeH | has anyone come across this? |
| 22:41.35 | enouf | Hobart: no, not that file ;-) unless Etch didn't yet use /etc/default/mdadm |
| 22:41.55 | Psi-Jack | Heh, what the heck is squeeze, anyway? |
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| 22:41.56 | Hobart | it starts up, swaps on half the raid-space (corrupting the mirror), brings up md (which goes live as degraded on the other disk), then swaps on the "raid" separately |
| 22:42.28 | enouf | Hobart: you don't need swap on raid, FWIW (not starting an arg) |
| 22:42.38 | enouf | Hobart: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1546385 |
| 22:43.11 | Psi-Jack | How can you people say you don't need swap? You know what happends when you don't have swap, and you run out of physical memory? |
| 22:43.28 | Hobart | enouf -> Oh! Adding the swap array to INITRDSTART .... |
| 22:43.33 | Hobart | enouf -> thanks! |
| 22:43.37 | enouf | right |
| 22:44.10 | Psi-Jack | processes start being forcefully killed. Now, you hopefully won't need swap, but when you do, it saves you from abnormally terminated processes, |
| 22:44.27 | Psi-Jack | Which you can also use to guage that you need more RAM than you have. |
| 22:44.27 | Psi-Jack | :) |
| 22:44.28 | enouf | Psi-Jack: not much worse than what happens if you don't tune your OOM settings ;-) |
| 22:44.31 | bbelt16ag1 | ok one more question... do i need to allow portmap or rpc.portmap to connect over the internet? |
| 22:44.36 | Psi-Jack | enouf: It's WORSE IMHO. |
| 22:44.41 | enouf | haha |
| 22:44.57 | enouf | i use swap - nobody was saying /not/ to |
| 22:45.21 | enouf | bbelt16ag1: for ssh? neither |
| 22:45.22 | Psi-Jack | enouf: You were, actually, saying he doesn't need swap. Which is saying, don't use it. |
| 22:45.29 | enouf | Psi-Jack: no |
| 22:45.33 | enouf | re-read |
| 22:45.48 | enouf | < enouf> Hobart: you don't need swap *on raid*, |
| 22:46.05 | Psi-Jack | Ahh, swap on raid, yes. Need, no, will it help if it's on a stripe, some.. Not much, but some. |
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| 22:46.51 | enouf | swap will round-robin itself, if you setup more than 1; priority can also be set, and the kernel is smart enough to know anyway |
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| 22:47.18 | Psi-Jack | True. |
| 22:47.34 | enouf | my point was, you do not need to locate your swap{partition(s),file(s)} *on a RAID* |
| 22:47.37 | Psi-Jack | But, round robin means, if it fills one, it goes to the next. |
| 22:47.39 | enouf | that's all |
| 22:47.42 | Psi-Jack | Not, splices |
| 22:48.00 | enouf | no it doesn't, not the way i read it |
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| 22:48.32 | MikeH | hrm |
| 22:48.37 | MikeH | where can I find kernel modules? |
| 22:48.48 | enouf | man swapon(2) |
| 22:48.49 | MikeH | I just built lirc, but have no idea of the modules it built |
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| 22:49.08 | enouf | MikeH: uh .. /usr/src/* ? |
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| 22:49.25 | enouf | MikeH: how did you build and install? |
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| 22:49.32 | MikeH | yes |
| 22:49.36 | enouf | MikeH: uh .. /usr/src/modules/extra maybe even ? |
| 22:49.51 | enouf | yes what? heh |
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| 22:50.02 | MikeH | I found it, sorry |
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| 22:50.09 | MikeH | I thought you asked if I built and installed |
| 22:50.10 | MikeH | not how |
| 22:50.19 | enouf | heh, ;-) |
| 22:50.33 | MikeH | well, things look promising, the red led went out on the reciever and flashes with remote presses |
| 22:50.41 | MikeH | still doesn't work mind |
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| 22:52.22 | bbelt16ag1 | how about remote desktop protocols like vnc or remotedesktop for windows boxes. ? |
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| 22:52.28 | bbelt16ag1 | enouf: see above. |
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| 22:53.39 | darkham | hey people, i need help with samba, does anybody can help me? |
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| 22:54.04 | Titan8990 | i would if your looking to be talked out of using samba |
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| 22:54.21 | pingouin | darkham: nobody can help you...if you dont ask question |
| 22:54.50 | daft | guys i upgraded to sid. and updateing libc6 failed. now every action results in a Segmentation fault |
| 22:55.02 | pingouin | welcome in sid ;) |
| 22:55.10 | darkham | i build a simply share, path , only guest=yes, writable=yes printable=yes |
| 22:55.14 | zinx | daft: yup. sounds like sid to me. |
| 22:55.16 | daft | I have more years in sid then in stable |
| 22:55.17 | darkham | the security is share |
| 22:55.25 | daft | but this is new |
| 22:55.32 | darkham | bur from my mediacenter i have a request of username and password |
| 22:55.32 | pingouin | daft: sid means..stable ?! |
| 22:55.48 | pingouin | why does they keep stable version.... |
| 22:55.58 | daft | no sid is the guy that breaks toys |
| 22:56.14 | darkham | what can i do for share simply the folder in from the mediacenter? |
| 22:56.28 | Titan8990 | use ftp |
| 22:56.40 | justin | darkham: try public = yes ? |
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| 22:56.47 | daft | only stable versions i used are potato and lenny |
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| 22:56.58 | darkham | justin: yes, i set public = tes |
| 22:57.06 | darkham | public = yes |
| 22:57.33 | justin | darkham: you need to pastebin your config if you are goign to leave things out |
| 22:57.38 | pingouin | daft: i guess...sid is sid...so you know what you do when you get it |
| 22:57.54 | darkham | ok |
| 22:58.07 | daft | yea but libc6 that means reinstall if i reboot |
| 22:58.11 | daft | never had that |
| 22:58.20 | enouf | bbelt16ag1: try ##networking maybe? |
| 22:58.26 | justin | [test] writable = no guest ok = yes public = yes browseable = no path = /tmp/test |
| 22:58.30 | justin | worked the last time I did it |
| 22:58.36 | bbelt16ag1 | ok |
| 22:58.38 | bbelt16ag1 | thanks |
| 22:58.45 | enouf | bbelt16ag1: IIRC, samba would use portmap |
| 22:58.55 | daft | well perhaps iceweasel can unpack the old version of libc6 and i can over ride the bins |
| 22:59.14 | enouf | not necessarily require it? i forget now, offhand - and linux/debian has rdesktop pkg |
| 22:59.35 | daft | yea right like iceweasel can write there Moron :/ |
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| 22:59.49 | darkham | http://pastebin.com/m452fdbc0 |
| 22:59.57 | darkham | that's my smb.conf |
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| 23:03.32 | johnakabean | HEY everyone! I NEED help getting an encrypted drive from Centos unlocked on debian (I switched to debian) |
| 23:03.48 | daft | Guys can I force the initrd rescue shell at boot? |
| 23:03.54 | Pericius | can i check does my kernel support framaebuffered console without getting kernel source and running make menuconfig |
| 23:04.12 | justin | Pericius: look in /boot |
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| 23:04.32 | johnakabean | justin, you familiar with serpent encryption from another os on debian? |
| 23:04.34 | justin | darkham: uh, you're missing a [label] |
| 23:04.48 | justin | no? |
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| 23:05.27 | darkham | yes justin, the smb.conf i use is pasted in the link, if is missing.......ehm......is missing... |
| 23:06.22 | johnakabean | I do: modprobe crytoploop; losetup -e serpent /dev/loop0 /hdd/main |
| 23:06.33 | johnakabean | it asks for password, which I enter correctly |
| 23:06.46 | justin | you told it to make the home directories public |
| 23:07.06 | johnakabean | but when I try to mount it, use ext3 file system which I used in centos, it says bad fs type |
| 23:07.12 | Psi-Jack | Just outa curiosity. Anyone here tried setting up a fullscale virtualmin server setup before? |
| 23:07.13 | Pericius | just: CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y .... that it? |
| 23:07.19 | Pericius | *justin |
| 23:07.22 | justin | johnakabean: file -s /dev/loop0 |
| 23:07.30 | justin | Pericius: no idea |
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| 23:10.59 | johnakabean | mount -t ext3 /dev/loop0 /secure Help me fix this |
| 23:11.03 | johnakabean | I don't understand what you are saying |
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| 23:11.51 | justin | johnakabean: i mean type the command I told you to type |
| 23:12.25 | johnakabean | ..../dev/loop0: data |
| 23:12.29 | johnakabean | that's the response |
| 23:12.47 | justin | most likely reason is you typed your password wrong |
| 23:12.57 | johnakabean | no |
| 23:13.02 | johnakabean | i have tried many times |
| 23:13.10 | johnakabean | same password, never changed |
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| 23:13.39 | justin | perhaps you need a different losetup command |
| 23:14.37 | Bushmills | you can't mount the loop device itself. but you can instruct mount to use the loop device. different syntax |
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| 23:15.45 | justin | yes you can |
| 23:15.54 | johnakabean | ok, this worked on centos before I moved to debian |
| 23:15.55 | justin | but as long as that says 'data' i is never going to mount |
| 23:16.15 | johnakabean | well, i used serpent enryption |
| 23:16.24 | johnakabean | so I have the right encryption specified |
| 23:16.37 | johnakabean | it asks for the password |
| 23:16.53 | johnakabean | this is a fresh debian install |
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| 23:17.08 | johnakabean | (no gui) |
| 23:17.15 | justin | the fact that it asks fot the pasword does not indicate that anything is working |
| 23:17.35 | justin | perhaps centos defaults to a different keysize or something |
| 23:17.41 | Bushmills | mount -o loop diskimage /path/of/mountpoint |
| 23:17.58 | justin | Bushmills: you're not helping |
| 23:19.24 | johnakabean | losetup --encryption serpent /dev/loop0 |
| 23:19.24 | johnakabean | /dev/loop0: [1641]:49153 (/hdd/main), encryption serpent (type 18) |
| 23:19.33 | johnakabean | command is first, response is second |
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| 23:22.02 | Tramp | johnakabean: poking in the dark here, but if you "cat /proc/crypto | grep name" - do you see serpent? |
| 23:22.23 | johnakabean | name : cbc(serpent) |
| 23:22.29 | Tramp | should also be visible in the output of lsmod |
| 23:22.32 | johnakabean | should I try cbc instead |
| 23:22.43 | Tramp | no. cbc is a mode |
| 23:22.50 | Tramp | (Cipher Block Chaining) |
| 23:23.44 | johnakabean | serpent 18688 1 |
| 23:23.44 | johnakabean | of lsmod |
| 23:24.37 | Tramp | hmm. I still have two lines of output for each cipher I use in /proc/crypto, e.g. cbc(twofish) and twofish |
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| 23:24.45 | enouf | how about specific module parms? |
| 23:25.27 | johnakabean | I do too, tramp |
| 23:25.28 | johnakabean | name : cbc(serpent) |
| 23:25.28 | johnakabean | name : tnepres |
| 23:25.28 | johnakabean | name : serpent |
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| 23:25.44 | dangerstat | Damn use a pastebin |
| 23:25.45 | johnakabean | ok using pastebin |
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| 23:26.06 | johnakabean | I was only pasting two lines at a time |
| 23:26.07 | Tramp | ok, got the tnepres as well after modprobing serpent (which I don't use otherwise) |
| 23:26.08 | enouf | heh, no parms for cryptoloop |
| 23:26.32 | Tramp | so this looks ok to me on the kernel-side .... |
| 23:26.58 | johnakabean | I have to get this drive unlocked or i'm screwed |
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| 23:27.25 | johnakabean | I had no problems with it on centos |
| 23:27.38 | johnakabean | I moved from centos because of their dead perl |
| 23:27.41 | enouf | johnakabean: it's possible there's some funk with UTF-8 and ASCII or even spaces or odd chars in your passwd? |
| 23:27.48 | johnakabean | no |
| 23:27.53 | johnakabean | just letters, numbers |
| 23:27.54 | enouf | er s/it's/is it |
| 23:28.06 | johnakabean | no symbols |
| 23:28.07 | enouf | hrm |
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| 23:28.26 | johnakabean | I use putty for my shell client |
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| 23:28.44 | johnakabean | anything special to do with putty? |
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| 23:28.48 | enouf | johnakabean: did you move the drive from one machine to another? how about username? did you transport over the /etc/shadow stuffS? |
| 23:29.00 | enouf | er.. putty? |
| 23:29.07 | johnakabean | enouf, I didn't move the drive, I switched from centos to debian on same machine |
| 23:29.28 | johnakabean | I have reinstalled centos a couple times |
| 23:29.33 | johnakabean | and didnt have a problem |
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| 23:29.45 | johnakabean | like format main system drive |
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| 23:30.25 | johnakabean | cd /etc/shadow |
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| 23:30.50 | johnakabean | looks like a passwd file |
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| 23:31.23 | mercuree | i was being really stupid earlier, there is a setup file contained within the linux image that allows one to start an installation from windows. I am now having the problem that the installer wants to install files from the cdrom and not from my flash disk (where they are located) is there a way I can trick the installer into believing that the flash disk is the cdrom? |
| 23:32.12 | johnakabean | yeah, mercuree, I was surpised when I tested the iso i burned on windows and it asked to run setup.exe |
| 23:32.36 | enouf | johnakabean: well, i guess you could start t-shooting by comparing kernel configs, though ofcourse they're even patched differently - but does dmesg |tail offer any clues? |
| 23:33.02 | enouf | but putty.. might be a $TERM issue .. in some silly way |
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| 23:33.16 | johnakabean | I looked their enouf |
| 23:33.20 | johnakabean | there* |
| 23:33.27 | johnakabean | in /var/log/messages |
| 23:33.32 | johnakabean | shows nothing |
| 23:34.13 | johnakabean | on the encrypted drive, i have my mysql databases :( |
| 23:34.30 | enouf | mercuree: alt-f4 for messages, alt-f2 and get a shell, and perhaps mount /target ; or similar -- or you have an issue with the Installer needing the proper files, maybe not ISO - not sure |
| 23:35.26 | johnakabean | would this make a difference, enof : http://packages.debian.org/sid/putty-tools |
| 23:35.32 | markvandenborre | I'm looking for a way to take a string and a keyboard layout and create a set of pc-at keyboard scancodes out of that |
| 23:35.35 | enouf | johnakabean: when you get a 'Bad fstype or wrong superblock ... ' type messages, usually it says to check dmesg | tail - oh well |
| 23:35.47 | markvandenborre | any package in Debian I could use to do that? |
| 23:36.09 | enouf | johnakabean: but output of 'file -s /dev/name' as someone mentioned shouldn't be "data" AFAIK |
| 23:36.14 | markvandenborre | basicly something that goes a bit further than xev |
| 23:36.34 | enouf | johnakabean: i never used putty :-( |
| 23:36.53 | enouf | mercuree: xmodmap -pk ? |
| 23:36.59 | johnakabean | what do you use? |
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| 23:37.03 | enouf | mercuree: or in Console - showkey? |
| 23:37.12 | enouf | johnakabean: for? |
| 23:37.19 | johnakabean | shell client |
| 23:37.28 | enouf | ssh ;-) |
| 23:37.42 | johnakabean | i'm on a windows machine for my use |
| 23:37.46 | enouf | ewww |
| 23:37.59 | johnakabean | you know windows 7 has linux built into it |
| 23:38.00 | enouf | i don't use w32 |
| 23:38.04 | enouf | that's nice |
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| 23:38.18 | johnakabean | i'm on windows 7 64 |
| 23:38.27 | enouf | maybe freenx/nomachine is an option? |
| 23:38.27 | johnakabean | its very very stable |
| 23:38.32 | enouf | that's nice |
| 23:38.47 | enouf | enjoy - i hope you get your $$$'s worth ;-) |
| 23:38.59 | johnakabean | windows 7 is in beta, i'm beta testing |
| 23:39.16 | adb | ot! |
| 23:39.31 | enouf | indeed |
| 23:39.48 | Pericius | how long does a kernel compile on fairly recent machine? |
| 23:39.50 | grumpydog | Why do gentoo people and devs, seem as if they are the most important Linux Race, just like Hitler |
| 23:40.06 | mercuree | enouf, busy restarting will try that now and lwt you know |
| 23:40.07 | mercuree | thanks |
| 23:40.10 | enouf | johnakabean: tried using just ssh? doesn't windows have other ssh capable clients? non-X related - not even sure if putty is X-related |
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| 23:40.27 | grumpydog | I like BSD but I never encountered Gentoo bitches like the way they are |
| 23:40.39 | grumpydog | viva debian |
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| 23:40.43 | grumpydog | :) |
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| 23:41.22 | enouf | well BSD might be nice and stuff, but their licensing has go to go :-P </OT> |
| 23:41.56 | grumpydog | enouf, true just like FSF |
| 23:42.02 | grumpydog | ;) |
| 23:42.43 | grumpydog | I heard christel has gone missing? is this true? |
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| 23:42.58 | grumpydog | If he has I am not really surpised |
| 23:43.02 | grumpydog | she |
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| 23:43.18 | Tramp | johnakabean: still there? |
| 23:43.30 | adb | grumpydog: got a debian question ? |
| 23:43.31 | enouf | ask #freenode |
| 23:43.43 | grumpydog | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk |
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| 23:43.48 | grumpydog | :) |
| 23:44.02 | grumpydog | some guy did that and is a great guy :) |
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| 23:44.12 | RichiH | grumpydog: i highly suggest you heed freenode and #debian channel rules |
| 23:44.22 | enouf | adb: how's the exp build coming? |
| 23:44.43 | RichiH | it's not as if you didn't know them |
| 23:44.50 | adb | still compile .. |
| 23:45.04 | enouf | loans adb his MP xeon box ;-) |
| 23:45.31 | enouf | !cluster-of-deschutes |
| 23:45.49 | adb | centrino duo 1.7G |
| 23:46.28 | grumpydog | RichiH, Ah ritchie yes we were staff at one point Mr Hawtin, No Idea what I ever did wrong to instigate any problems Mr Hawtin, however you never asked me either what the problems were |
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| 23:48.48 | johnakabean | enouf, windows doesn't use ssh |
| 23:48.52 | grumpydog | RichiH, Please feel free to talk to me in pm, unless you are still based in germany and insist on keeping up the freenode-staff fuerer Nazi-politics |
| 23:48.52 | johnakabean | they use telnet |
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| 23:49.23 | Tramp | johnakabean: you can try the following: (1) aptitude install socat (2) echo "password" | socat - "EXEC:losetup -e serpent /dev/loop0 thefile,pty,setsid,ctty" - note, that this puts your password in your bash-history, but avoids trouble with messed up terminal settings |
| 23:49.37 | Pericius | in which package is modprobe? |
| 23:49.51 | adb | RichiH: thnx |
| 23:50.08 | Pericius | forget it :) |
| 23:50.42 | dean1012yh | finally got my debian server setup and online |
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| 23:52.03 | johnakabean | -bash: socat: command not found |
| 23:52.03 | johnakabean | -bash: echo: write error: Broken pipe |
| 23:52.21 | Tramp | johnakabean: see (1) |
| 23:52.49 | enouf | Tramp: nice, i wasn't aware of that tool |
| 23:53.16 | Tramp | few people are and then suggest using expect to do this kind of hack |
| 23:53.55 | johnakabean | same, tramp |
| 23:54.17 | johnakabean | I wish it would give me a reason other than "bad fs type" |
| 23:54.23 | enouf | strace it? |
| 23:54.39 | enouf | install and use gdb? |
| 23:54.59 | johnakabean | installing strace |
| 23:55.05 | enouf | install any/all related -dbg pkgs prior |
| 23:55.12 | enouf | (for gdb use) |
| 23:55.25 | justin | johnakabean: did you not listen to a word i said? |
| 23:55.30 | enouf | heh |
| 23:55.43 | justin | johnakabean: either your password is wrong or the encryption settings are wrong |
| 23:55.52 | justin | you can run mount 10000 times and it still will not work |
| 23:55.57 | Floops[w] | what is the kernel version for debian backports |
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| 23:56.09 | enouf | .30 ? |
| 23:56.12 | justin | Floops[w]: what does the backports website say the current version is |
| 23:56.27 | Floops[w] | i didn't know check |
| 23:56.31 | johnakabean | the password is not wrong |
| 23:56.32 | enouf | judd versions kernel --release lenny-backports |
| 23:56.33 | judd | enouf: kernel -- |
| 23:56.34 | Floops[w] | couldn't remember what it was |
| 23:56.56 | johnakabean | i mounted this drive for the last 6 months with same password |
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| 23:57.04 | leoechevarria | hi people |
| 23:57.22 | Tramp | johnakabean: also, try the command from above with echo -n "password" in front - not sure, what losetup does with the trailing newline |
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| 23:57.41 | leoechevarria | ehmm, i'm using squeeze amd64, is there any specific package for playing videos with dts sound smoothly? |
| 23:57.57 | justin | johnakabean: great, so if the problem is A or B and you insist that it is not A, then the problem is probably B |
| 23:58.36 | johnakabean | i have it saved in a batch file, justin. I know it is serpent |
| 23:58.52 | johnakabean | I would just type /etc/mount and it asked for password and continued |
| 23:59.12 | justin | johnakabean: and serpent in the centos kernel works exactly the same as serpent in the debian kernel? |
| 23:59.23 | johnakabean | i'm asking |
| 23:59.27 | johnakabean | tha'ts why i'm here |
| 23:59.30 | justin | 9:17 < justin> the fact that it asks fot the pasword does not indicate that anything is working |
