| 00:00.01 | johnakabean | i didn't say that |
| 00:00.16 | johnakabean | i was just saying that i couldn't get the type of enryption wrong |
| 00:00.23 | johnakabean | as it was in the batch file |
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| 00:00.35 | justin | batch file? |
| 00:00.51 | johnakabean | i have a batch file I would use to unlock the drive |
| 00:01.00 | johnakabean | instead of having to type all the commands each time |
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| 00:01.35 | justin | great, why don't you pastebin this 'batch file' |
| 00:01.48 | johnakabean | i did, one line at a time |
| 00:01.57 | johnakabean | the commands i pasted in here |
| 00:02.03 | justin | how not helpful |
| 00:02.14 | johnakabean | just 3 lines |
| 00:02.36 | johnakabean | odprobe cryptoloop |
| 00:02.36 | johnakabean | losetup -e serpent /dev/loop0 /hdd/main |
| 00:02.36 | johnakabean | mount -t ext3 /dev/loop0 /secure |
| 00:02.51 | johnakabean | of course first line is modprobe..... |
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| 00:03.22 | enouf | leoechevarria: i'd ask in #mplayer or #vlc or #v4l ... also /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 00:04.38 | debian_d | enouf: what's the plugin to play .mpeg or .mpg file? |
| 00:05.08 | leoechevarria | enouf: thanks |
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| 00:05.24 | enouf | why not remove the losetup line and add the -o loop option to your mount ; after you losetup -d or whatever and check with /proc/mounts |
| 00:05.46 | enouf | debian_d: i use mplayer and ffmpeg |
| 00:06.24 | enouf | debian_d: do you mean for a Browser? |
| 00:06.25 | debian_d | enouf: no ,for smplayer, what's the plugin? |
| 00:06.25 | johnakabean | enouf, the encryption is not the whole drive, it is one file that contains all the folders/files |
| 00:06.33 | johnakabean | so I have to use a loopback to make the file work |
| 00:06.38 | enouf | and? that implies? |
| 00:06.58 | enouf | i'm thinking wrong offset perhaps - but ok |
| 00:07.02 | johnakabean | could you modify the line(s) I typed and I will trying it |
| 00:07.07 | johnakabean | try* |
| 00:07.15 | johnakabean | the file is /hdd/main |
| 00:07.26 | johnakabean | I have mounted the drive in the /hdd folder |
| 00:08.02 | enouf | debian_d: not sure ... ask in #mplayer - or /msg dpkg search |
| 00:08.15 | brbrbr | what main advantages/drawbacks of luks usage for encryted volumes ? |
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| 00:08.45 | debian_d | enouf: what's the purpose of libdvdcss2, is it similar to ffmpeg? |
| 00:08.58 | enouf | debian_d: decrypting DVD CSS stuffs |
| 00:09.07 | brbrbr | greets all |
| 00:09.16 | nsadmin | johnakabean: had you considered lvm as a possibility for you |
| 00:09.24 | enouf | debian_d: you likely want that - if you play DVD Video |
| 00:10.21 | johnakabean | ? |
| 00:10.28 | johnakabean | I'm not that familiar with linux filesystems |
| 00:10.33 | debian_d | enouf: how can i be sure if a file is a DVD video or not? |
| 00:10.33 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 00:10.38 | enouf | nsadmin: you likely want to stand back on this one :-) |
| 00:10.46 | enouf | debian_d: file? |
| 00:11.10 | nsadmin | johnakabean: just curious... if you are, you can look into it later |
| 00:11.12 | debian_d | enouf: yes, a file named dbg.rmvb , is it a DVD video? |
| 00:11.33 | enouf | debian_d: 'file filename' ; dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd ; isoinfo -i filename.iso |
| 00:11.37 | johnakabean | lvm = local volume management? |
| 00:11.45 | enouf | logical |
| 00:11.45 | johnakabean | just a guess? |
| 00:11.49 | nsadmin | logical |
| 00:12.15 | enouf | debian_d: that's a RealMedia file |
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| 00:12.19 | johnakabean | i have a file that uses serpent encryption, from centos, that I can't get mounted on debian |
| 00:12.26 | johnakabean | I'm using the right password |
| 00:12.41 | enouf | debian_d: IINM, mplayer supports almost ALL rm crap - exceapt 40? |
| 00:12.59 | nsadmin | johnakabean: hmm. can you put it on the centos again, and tar up the whole thing? |
| 00:13.16 | johnakabean | ns, I could try a live cd to do that |
| 00:13.17 | nsadmin | if it's not relevent for install, you can do that later |
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| 00:13.35 | johnakabean | i think |
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| 00:13.57 | nsadmin | concentrate on what you're doing now, hold off on that vol for the moment... |
| 00:14.05 | enouf | johnakabean: which debian kernel btw? |
| 00:14.10 | johnakabean | latest |
| 00:14.13 | enouf | johnakabean: or .. custom? |
| 00:14.16 | johnakabean | no custom |
| 00:14.20 | johnakabean | fresh install |
| 00:14.20 | enouf | latest == ? |
| 00:14.38 | enouf | that's not how Debian suites/releases work |
| 00:14.38 | johnakabean | how to check... |
| 00:14.41 | nsadmin | johnakabean: he wants to know your uname -r |
| 00:14.44 | debian_d | enouf: so what's the command to know if it is a DVD video or not?"dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd" will it do the job? |
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| 00:14.59 | johnakabean | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 00:15.13 | enouf | debian_d: i think 'file dbg.rmvb' is what you want for that |
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| 00:15.34 | enouf | johnakabean: ok, that's Lenny's kernel ... |
| 00:15.45 | debian_d | enouf: ye, it's a realmedia file |
| 00:15.47 | nsadmin | lenny wants it back!! |
| 00:15.58 | brbrbr | 2.6.26-2-18 or 2.6.26-19 with [partially]fixed performance regressions ? |
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| 00:16.02 | johnakabean | lol ns |
| 00:16.30 | johnakabean | suggestion is to get new kernel and compile it? |
| 00:17.04 | debian_d | enouf: i installed apache2, is it necessary to install lighttpd? |
| 00:17.13 | nsadmin | you might not have to, let them deal with that part |
| 00:17.15 | johnakabean | no, debian |
| 00:17.26 | johnakabean | if you just want to use apache |
| 00:17.44 | enouf | i wonder if the -backports kernel or even a sid one (.30, and diff from lenny-backports .30), OR even an oldstable one (.18) changes anything ... or even a etchnhalf .24 or etch-backports .26 ..sigh |
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| 00:18.06 | johnakabean | can i use one from kernel.org |
| 00:18.08 | johnakabean | ? |
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| 00:18.55 | enouf | debian_d: i suggest you check out /usr/share/doc/apache2 or /a2* and the man pages (dpkg -L <pkgname> | grep doc) |
| 00:19.10 | johnakabean | I need the kernel-dev, how do I get that from the kernel source as well? |
| 00:19.31 | enouf | johnakabean: sure .. not that it'll home in on the real issue, but would atl;east tell us if kernel related |
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| 00:20.14 | johnakabean | i'm not real familiar with compiling the kernel....can I get some help |
| 00:20.18 | johnakabean | I know make menuselect |
| 00:20.28 | enouf | johnakabean: and .. well .. many of us will not want to try to support 'custom' built kernels, as you might guesss - WAY too many variables involved |
| 00:20.33 | johnakabean | any special ./configure parameters? |
| 00:20.49 | enouf | in that case, i suggest other Debian ones ;-) |
| 00:21.21 | debian_d | enouf: problem is after "htttp://localhost" nothing happens. http://pastebin.com/m1f879d3a |
| 00:21.40 | johnakabean | I will try whatever it takes, enouf |
| 00:21.42 | adb | htttp: ... to many ttt |
| 00:21.47 | enouf | !wayttd debian_d |
| 00:21.48 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, debian_d? |
| 00:21.49 | debian_d | enouf: if i do sudo /etc/init.d apache2 start |
| 00:22.11 | johnakabean | looks like just run a simple webserver |
| 00:22.24 | debian_d | dpkg: trying to run apache2 server |
| 00:22.24 | dpkg | i don't know, debian_d |
| 00:22.32 | porter | you guys use /etc/init.d/networking start|stop|restart to clean/reload interfaces/network? the most comfortable way? right? |
| 00:22.42 | enouf | debian_d: man a2enmod and many many others ;-) |
| 00:22.47 | johnakabean | yeah porter |
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| 00:23.01 | porter | johnakabean: thanks |
| 00:23.05 | enouf | debian_d: [dpkg] in here, is a resident channel bot |
| 00:23.30 | adb | *President |
| 00:23.41 | enouf | porter: yes, however that doesn't necessarily do things DHCP nor route related |
| 00:24.18 | johnakabean | i'm use to typing "service blah restart" so I did an "ln -s" to the update-rc.d or w/e it is for linux |
| 00:24.27 | johnakabean | debian* |
| 00:24.58 | porter | enouf: so what is to be done instead? |
| 00:25.39 | johnakabean | yes, enouf, please help us on that one; I have 5 static ips on virtual interfaces but only 4 of them work |
| 00:25.45 | enouf | porter: what is the issue? |
| 00:26.00 | johnakabean | they're on the same subnet |
| 00:26.10 | konr|afk | interesting... there is no /proc/acpi/BAT0... do I need to setup anything before? |
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| 00:26.18 | enouf | johnakabean: ipretty much suck at networking issues, however, there are MANY here that know a LOT more than i |
| 00:26.33 | adb | johnakabean: >#networking |
| 00:26.39 | enouf | konr|afk: it's moved into /sys/ ? |
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| 00:27.16 | enouf | many things /proc/ and thermal|fan|battery related were moved over somewhere into /sys/ IIRC |
| 00:27.48 | enouf | as root; find /sys -iname '*bat*' heh |
| 00:27.51 | konr|afk | enouf: hmm, you are right! thanks! |
| 00:28.10 | dman13 | I'm trying to update my kernel, but the new ones can't find the root fs. I'm trying to follow directions on using a uuid or label instead of /dev/hda1 but it's not working. Is anyone familiar with this? |
| 00:28.19 | enouf | gets only liBATa things here on desktop :-P |
| 00:28.24 | johnakabean | adb, i set it up in the interfaces file but debian refuses to do the last one eth0:4 |
| 00:28.46 | adb | johnakabean: >#networking |
| 00:28.56 | johnakabean | its not a networking issue, its debian issue |
| 00:29.07 | johnakabean | hoping this kernel fixes it |
| 00:29.09 | enouf | konr|afk: the ACPI kernel Kconfig file also has some details, and see kernel /Documentation |
| 00:29.25 | johnakabean | along with the encryption |
| 00:29.30 | enouf | dman13: /msg dpkg can't find root |
| 00:29.58 | porter | enouf: i figure /etc/network/interfaces configured as static does restart correectly, you said it wont work dynamically though. what do you suggest to do for a dhcp network restart? |
| 00:30.00 | enouf | dman13: tried /sdaX instead of /hdaX? |
| 00:30.30 | dman13 | enouf: I tried that once ... but now that I think about it I didn't rebuild the initramfs that time. I'll try that now. |
| 00:30.36 | enouf | porter: well, AFAIK,dhcp stuff is handled via dhclient* or dhcpcd-bin |
| 00:30.43 | enouf | and /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 00:30.47 | dman13 | (dpkg couldn't make sense of the request) |
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| 00:30.51 | Psi-Jack | Heh, that's something I noticed about Debian. It's the ONLY distribution today of Linux that uses my hdd's as /dev/hdX, instead of /dev/sdX |
| 00:31.00 | enouf | !can't find root |
| 00:31.03 | porter | enouf: aye! |
| 00:31.12 | enouf | !can't mount root |
| 00:31.12 | dpkg | If you can't mount the root file system when you boot your custom kernel, it means you have failed to include support for either: (a) your root file system (e.g. ext3), or (b) your disk controller (IDE, SCSI, etc.). These cannot be modules, unless you use an initrd. Go check your config again. or make sure your bootloader knows about your initrd |
| 00:31.12 | debian_d | enouf: is httpd supported in debian? how can it be stopped? "service httpd stop" not working |
| 00:31.14 | enouf | my bad |
| 00:31.46 | dman13 | okay |
| 00:31.55 | enouf | debian_d: kill -15 $PID ; or /etc/init.d/<servicename> stop |
| 00:31.56 | dman13 | I'm using a stock kernel, and the problem is the hda->sda change |
| 00:32.04 | dman13 | (the system was installed from potato!) |
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| 00:32.24 | debian_d | enouf: i installed apache but there is nothing like apache in /usr/local |
| 00:32.31 | enouf | if -15 doesn't do it, try -2 ... you shouldn't resort to -9, and you likely need root privs |
| 00:32.44 | enouf | debian_d: why would there be? |
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| 00:33.01 | enouf | only self-compiled pkgs might default to installing there |
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| 00:33.11 | debian_d | enouf: /usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf , ,http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/programs/httpd.html |
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| 00:34.37 | enouf | that's not apache2, is it |
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| 00:35.03 | enouf | debian_d: i'm not sure you're quite ready to run a Server ;-) |
| 00:35.21 | dman13 | still fails; do I need to change anything other than fstab and menu.lst before rebuilding the initramfs? |
| 00:35.24 | debian_d | enouf: /etc/init.d restart did the job |
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| 00:35.38 | enouf | debian_d: you can stop the RH trolling now too ;-) |
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| 00:35.54 | debian_d | enouf: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart did the job |
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| 00:36.17 | debian_d | enouf: what's RH ? |
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| 00:37.03 | dman13 | debian_d: RedHat |
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| 00:37.49 | enouf | dman13: fails how? and where is rootfs? LVM? crypto? mdadm? |
| 00:38.10 | dman13 | enouf: hangs at the "Waiting for root file system" message |
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| 00:38.28 | enouf | dman13: add(list) needed modules as [dpkg] mentioned |
| 00:38.36 | dman13 | enouf: ext3 on /dev/hda1 |
| 00:38.51 | dman13 | enouf: it's a DOS partition on the primary master IDE disk |
| 00:38.52 | enouf | dman13: try rootdelay=30 (though i doubt that will help) |
| 00:39.16 | dman13 | enouf: 2.6.22 is the last kernel that works, and as I understand that is the last one to call it 'hda' |
| 00:39.23 | enouf | dman13: you mean DOS-style partition table .. ok |
| 00:39.35 | dman13 | enouf: yes, DOS-style partition table |
| 00:39.38 | enouf | dman13: sounds maybelike libata issues |
| 00:39.52 | dman13 | enouf: it's a 10-year old machine with a 4-year old disk |
| 00:40.11 | enouf | so is my pII, and i run sid ;-) |
| 00:40.23 | enouf | i'm on it right now |
| 00:40.51 | enouf | dman13: /msg dpkg sarge->etch->lenny .. heh |
| 00:40.57 | dman13 | enouf: :) this is a 1.3GHz Athlon underclocked to 1.0GHz because that's the best the motherboard can do |
| 00:41.11 | dman13 | potato -> testing (prior to woody's release) |
| 00:41.40 | enouf | dman13: make sure BIOS boot order and drive jumpers are correct - LiveCDs and even earlier debian kernels do? |
| 00:41.50 | enouf | dman13: reinstall ;-) |
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| 00:42.02 | enouf | dman13: you missed a few boats ;-) |
| 00:42.18 | dman13 | what boats? testing is always current :-D |
| 00:42.38 | dman13 | (within 2 weeks-ish) |
| 00:43.25 | dman13 | enouf: I haven't changed the BIOS or hardware. I can reboot to 2.6.22 and the ubuntu 6.06 cd I have, but not 2.6.30 |
| 00:43.44 | enouf | dman13: well,try properly upgrading ;-) |
| 00:45.12 | Pericius | ok, recompiled kernel again, even though i'm pretty sure there was already fbcon support there |
| 00:45.17 | Pericius | now, how to start the damn thing |
| 00:45.22 | Pericius | fbcon, i mean |
| 00:46.36 | brbrbr | dman13 LILO loader ? |
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| 00:47.23 | dman13 | brbrbr: grub |
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| 00:47.56 | enouf | Pericius: vga= boot option |
| 00:48.17 | brbrbr | hm, in cant get 2.6.30.5 to work too, but still thinks it because improperly built, because, its works on friends PC's |
| 00:48.51 | dman13 | brbrbr: I couldn't get some of the other kernels between 2.6.22 and 2.6.30 to boot either, but kept putting off working on it |
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| 00:49.24 | Pericius | put that to video=vesafb:mttr:3 vga=835 |
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| 00:49.42 | Pericius | but i still get like 8 colors |
| 00:49.49 | enouf | well, for card-specific FB, yes, see /Documentation/fb/* |
| 00:50.25 | enouf | might try uvesafb - i never had to do more than vga=791 |
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| 00:50.58 | stian-uy | WINDOWS 7 RULES...................... DEBIAN SUCKS COCKA LOT !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:50.59 | stian-uy | WINDOWS 7 RULES...................... DEBIAN SUCKS COCKA LOT !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:51.01 | stian-uy | WINDOWS 7 RULES...................... DEBIAN SUCKS COCKA LOT !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:51.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ops stian-uy being a twat |
| 00:51.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: kamping_kaiser complains about: stian-uy being a twat |
| 00:52.01 | brbrbr | !voteban stian_uy |
| 00:52.09 | brbrbr | !voteban stian-uy |
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| 00:52.14 | DeSian | stian-uy, go home and F** your grandmother |
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| 00:53.26 | DeSian | i have installed the last version from skype 2.1 new beta on 64bit machine but have this error and get closed http://paste.debian.net/45259/plain/45259 |
| 00:54.16 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.03 | DeSian | adb, skype is like opera, flash player Adobe more non-free apps on debian |
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| 00:57.53 | adb | .. tried previous version ? |
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| 00:58.40 | DeSian | adb, worked fine, but the last version is just for ubuntu in 64amd version! |
| 00:59.34 | adb | should works on debian to |
| 01:00.06 | debian_d | enouf: which is better to use ? apache /apache2/lighttpd ? |
| 01:00.34 | DeSian | be installed but if i go online be closed and give me this message, that is pasted ! |
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| 01:00.41 | DeSian | adb, ^ |
| 01:01.17 | adb | i can't test . i'm on 32 bit |
| 01:02.08 | johnakabean | !ops stian-uy being a twat and too dumb to realize windows 7 is now based off linux |
| 01:02.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: johnakabean complains about: stian-uy being a twat and too dumb to realize windows 7 is now based off linux |
| 01:02.16 | johnakabean | :) |
| 01:02.25 | enouf | debian_d: one is lighter - all depends on need/use |
| 01:02.48 | johnakabean | enouf, i'm following a guid on building a custom kernel to make a .deb package to install |
| 01:02.58 | DeSian | but another question, i have on this machine 4 GB ram with dualcore CPU. what is the defrece if 32 or 64? be faster with 64? |
| 01:02.59 | debian_d | enouf: which one? apache2 is lighter! |
| 01:03.04 | enouf | attaboy johnakabean |
| 01:03.07 | DeSian | deference* |
| 01:03.13 | enouf | debian_d: no |
| 01:03.30 | debian_d | enouf: lighttpd is lighter! |
| 01:03.35 | enouf | goes off to eat |
| 01:04.02 | debian_d | enouf: it's apache , isn't it ? |
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| 01:08.05 | Pericius | is it ok that i can't modprobe fbcon |
| 01:08.19 | dman13 | Pericius: if you built it into the kernel, then it is not a module and that is okay |
| 01:08.50 | Pericius | well, is fbcon something i can run then |
| 01:08.59 | Pericius | i want colors!!! |
| 01:09.06 | Pericius | :( |
| 01:09.10 | Psi-Jack | Umm. |
| 01:09.12 | Psi-Jack | Yeah.. |
| 01:09.14 | Pericius | spent whole day getting there :( |
| 01:09.32 | Psi-Jack | Completely useless waste of GPU and CPU cycles. |
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| 01:10.30 | Pericius | still... |
| 01:11.32 | _budo | how do you umount a mounted loopback ? |
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| 01:12.02 | _budo | it keeps saying device is busy and there is nothing accessing it |
| 01:12.27 | johnakabean | enouf, I inserted the config from /boot/.config |
| 01:12.30 | \amethyst | _budo: is something mounted under it? |
| 01:12.39 | johnakabean | is this ok for an attempt to fix the encryption |
| 01:12.40 | johnakabean | ? |
| 01:13.08 | johnakabean | do you think the encryption problem is an error in the coding or the config? |
| 01:13.15 | \amethyst | _budo: IIRC you will get that message when you have /foo and /foo/bar mounted and you try to umount /foo first |
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| 01:14.54 | _budo | /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type udf (ro) |
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| 01:15.23 | _budo | mounted under it hmmm |
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| 01:15.54 | dman13 | enouf: I've finally waited long enough for the (initramfs) prompt. It looks like the new kernels don't see my IDE controller at all =p |
| 01:16.03 | _budo | what do i do if something is mounted under it |
| 01:16.21 | enouf | johnakabean: mightbea debian-specific patchset vs centos, or something .config related - i can't tell |
| 01:16.36 | johnakabean | I actually think I did a custom kernel for centos :) |
| 01:16.43 | johnakabean | so I might not have had centos |
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| 01:16.57 | macrobat | _budo: if some app uses something that is mounted you need to close it down before you umount |
| 01:16.59 | enouf | johnakabean: or maybe it's not necessarily a kernel issue at all - hence why i mentioned; "try other debian kernels" first |
| 01:17.18 | johnakabean | where do you get debian kernels? apt-get? |
| 01:17.44 | macrobat | johnakabean: aptitude search linux-image |
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| 01:17.53 | _budo | one of these apps must be hanging |
| 01:17.54 | phlux | how can I tell which version of Debian I'm running? |
| 01:17.58 | enouf | dman13: wonderfu;l - heh |
| 01:17.59 | _budo | i closed everything down |
| 01:18.01 | phlux | I know it's somewhere in /etc.. |
| 01:18.10 | enouf | !release |
| 01:18.11 | dpkg | methinks release is Lenny was released on 2009-02-14. Lenny is Debian 5.0 and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <etch->lenny> or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 01:18.14 | johnakabean | drivers/acpi/acpica/tbfadt.c: In function âacpi_tb_create_local_fadtâ: |
| 01:18.18 | _budo | i even logged out all sessions and logged back in |
| 01:18.18 | dman13 | enouf: yeah. any ideas? |
| 01:18.26 | johnakabean | I just got an error compiling |
| 01:18.43 | enouf | dman13: /Documentation/ide.tx and /kernel-paramters.txt |
| 01:18.45 | dman13 | enouf: the motherboard is an AMD IRONGATE north bridge |
| 01:19.05 | johnakabean | its an nforce 2 |
| 01:19.13 | johnakabean | i just use it for a file server |
| 01:19.36 | enouf | johnakabean: which config? from debian? centos? which source? debian? kernel.org? |
| 01:19.39 | johnakabean | amd athlon xp |
| 01:19.47 | johnakabean | from debian |
| 01:19.51 | _budo | ill just do the old but infallible reboot |
| 01:19.52 | johnakabean | kernel.org |
| 01:20.01 | enouf | what? |
| 01:20.05 | enouf | !enter |
| 01:20.05 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:21.06 | johnakabean | I don't usually type like that. I have anxiety issue from diagnosis of MS in April |
| 01:21.44 | johnakabean | I answered the questions as fast as you typed them. |
| 01:21.46 | enouf | sorry to hear that johnakabean - my apologies |
| 01:22.33 | enouf | i type s-l-o-w compared to others, i was just trying to get you to be 'specific' as troubleshooting requires that - no worries |
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| 01:23.13 | johnakabean | I was very punctual in college; see, I have to use windows for my job at Quixus but I prefer linux for home hosting use. |
| 01:24.09 | dman13 | johnakabean: That doesn't mean what you meant :) (punctual means arriving on time) |
| 01:24.28 | johnakabean | I got A's in college comp |
| 01:24.48 | enouf | johnakabean: debian kernels are patched, so it's source differs from kernel.org .. so you'll run into issues unless you take that into account and make menuconfig accordingly |
| 01:25.09 | johnakabean | I used the .config from the debian |
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| 01:25.57 | johnakabean | l loaded it in make menuconfig |
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| 01:26.41 | johnakabean | my biggest question is: How do I get the kernel-dev package from the source installed? |
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| 01:26.58 | johnakabean | I have to have the kernel developement libraries installed |
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| 01:27.03 | VulcanRidr | On my workstation, that runs sid, I upgraded last weekend, and now my clock is losing about 2 hrs a day. ntp is running, but still it loses time. I have tried rdate and ntpdate with hwclock --systohc. |
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| 01:28.47 | enouf | johnakabean: what? i don't know what you mean, but debian's application headers and dev libs are in *-dev pkgnames , except linux-headers-$VERSION for the kernel |
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| 01:29.46 | enouf | VulcanRidr: is ntpdate --purge removed? is that a VM environment? |
| 01:30.07 | johnakabean | so, its not trasient to the kernel version? |
| 01:30.11 | enouf | VulcanRidr: ls /dev/rtc* |
| 01:30.13 | johnakabean | transient* |
| 01:30.51 | VulcanRidr | enouf: /dev/rtc /dev/rtc0 |
| 01:31.46 | VulcanRidr | rtc is a symlink to rtc0, which is 254,0 |
| 01:31.51 | enouf | VulcanRidr: enable bootlogd (/msg dpkg bootlogd) and check theresultant file and other /var/log/ for messages concerning system time and setting the clock, etc |
| 01:32.07 | VulcanRidr | Where is ntpdate --purge located? It is not a VM, it is bare metal. |
| 01:32.25 | enouf | apt-get --purge remove ntpdate |
| 01:32.29 | enouf | !ntpdate |
| 01:32.29 | dpkg | a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about <ntp>. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. |
| 01:32.52 | VulcanRidr | ntpdate is installed. Why would I purge it? |
| 01:33.20 | enouf | !set the time |
| 01:33.20 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
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| 01:34.41 | enouf | VulcanRidr: only other thing is your CMOS battery needs replacing, but once the system is up, that shouldn't matter - everytime you cold boot, enter BIOS and check Clock/TIme, if off, replace battery |
| 01:35.14 | VulcanRidr | y. This happens with the system on. I leave it up 24/7. |
| 01:35.22 | enouf | !listvals adjtimex |
| 01:35.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'adjtimex' by value (1): adjtime. |
| 01:35.37 | enouf | i wouldn't think you need to mess with that though |
| 01:35.49 | peterS | I've seen systems where adjtimex made the difference, yes |
| 01:35.58 | khaije|amalt | is there any way to make ext4 available when installing from lenny netinst? |
| 01:36.08 | VulcanRidr | I was wondering if it was a kernel issue, since that got upgraded last time. |
| 01:36.21 | enouf | VulcanRidr: are you trying to somehow spoof your geographical location with the wrong timezone? |
| 01:36.36 | enouf | reboot into known working kernel and see |
| 01:36.47 | peterS | VulcanRidr: who knows ... could be. you might try booting with, for example, the 'nolapic' kernel parameter |
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| 01:37.01 | enouf | are you perhaps in NZ? there was some weirdo issue once with that area |
| 01:37.09 | VulcanRidr | enouf: No, I am set to EST/EDT. |
| 01:37.10 | khaije|amalt | i'm moving it to squeeze/sid for regular use, i just don't have install media for anything but lenny... |
| 01:37.19 | VulcanRidr | System clock set to UTC. |
| 01:37.39 | VulcanRidr | peterS: I'll give that a shot. |
| 01:37.40 | enouf | peterS: and also hwclock --directisa IINM |
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| 01:38.10 | enouf | peterS: but .. i'm not sure if that particular option addresses their issue |
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| 01:38.31 | enouf | VulcanRidr: grep -i hpet /var/log/dmesg |
| 01:38.57 | enouf | ew .. i get nothing for that here now - heh |
| 01:39.23 | enouf | [ 5.401062] rtc_cmos 00:05: setting system clock to 2009-08-26 00:12:44 UTC (1251245564) <--grepping for rtc |
| 01:39.25 | VulcanRidr | enouf: I get 7 lines from dmesg with hpet. |
| 01:39.26 | father0fnine | Help -- And if you just want to point me to a link that would help but my searchs in lynx have proven unhelpful and X isn't working... |
| 01:39.54 | enouf | VulcanRidr: is that 64bit installation? amd64? .. can yu pastebin /var/log/dmesg? |
| 01:39.56 | father0fnine | Problem is mouse. Upgraded from etch to stable and now my mouse isn't working... something about unable to find the mouse module to load. Is this a known? |
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| 01:40.39 | enouf | father0fnine: lsmod | grep mouse |
| 01:41.01 | VulcanRidr | enouf: 32 bit installation, but on a c2d. |
| 01:41.13 | enouf | father0fnine: did you read/follow /msg dpkg etch->lenny ? |
| 01:41.22 | enouf | VulcanRidr: that's fine |
| 01:41.54 | father0fnine | enough: never heard of /msg dpkg etch->lenny before.... |
| 01:41.59 | enouf | father0fnine: there's an X potion for xorg.conf; AllowNoMouse or something to let X start without one |
| 01:42.03 | VulcanRidr | enouf: http://www.pastebin.org/13029 |
| 01:42.12 | enouf | VulcanRidr: ok |
| 01:42.34 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.34 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.40 | enouf | father0fnine: ^^^^ |
| 01:42.49 | father0fnine | enouf: no mouse <shiver> Well, it's better than nothing.. |
| 01:43.04 | enouf | father0fnine: but ensure psmouse (and maybe mousedev) are loaded |
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| 01:43.12 | father0fnine | if there are keyboard shortcuts |
| 01:43.20 | father0fnine | enouf: psmouse is loaded |
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| 01:43.40 | enouf | father0fnine: is thata USB mouse? try a ps/2 one? |
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| 01:44.19 | VulcanRidr | enouf: As an example, I reset the clock with rdate ~40 minutes ago, and have already lost 2 minutes. |
| 01:44.41 | father0fnine | enouf: Hmm... well , I'll be driving by walmart tonight. Maybe I can get one. It is a USB |
| 01:45.08 | khaije|amalt | found my answer here (http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4) summary: install lenny, upgrade to >=squeeze, upgrade ext3->ext4 in place |
| 01:45.14 | enouf | VulcanRidr: which kernel is this? cat /proc/version - i asked for ALL of dmesg |
| 01:45.23 | peterS | father0fnine: so is the 'hid' kernel module loaded, then? that's for usb mice. it probably is, though. |
| 01:45.31 | VulcanRidr | Ah. let me pastebin that. |
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| 01:45.37 | enouf | peterS: evdev mayvbe? |
| 01:46.01 | father0fnine | peterS: Yes... hid is loaded |
| 01:46.10 | peterS | father0fnine: and the 'mousedev' module? |
| 01:46.36 | father0fnine | peterS: no mosedev (yes evdev) |
| 01:47.04 | enouf | so evdev, psmouse, hid == loaded |
| 01:47.24 | enouf | khaije|amalt: nice |
| 01:47.27 | father0fnine | yes... hmm... says there is no mousedev to load.. |
| 01:47.48 | enouf | yeah, i think Lenny' |
| 01:48.01 | enouf | nm |
| 01:48.10 | peterS | hmmm, we stopped building mousedev as a module, I guess |
| 01:48.14 | peterS | it's built in now |
| 01:48.17 | enouf | i thought so |
| 01:48.21 | VulcanRidr | enouf: http://www.pastebin.org/13030 and http://www.pastebin.org/13031 |
| 01:48.22 | khaije|amalt | enouf: theres just nothing like debian for servers :) |
| 01:48.32 | enouf | khaije|amalt: ;-) |
| 01:48.40 | enouf | VulcanRidr: ok |
| 01:48.40 | father0fnine | Hmmm... the module "usbmouse" is not loaded...... |
| 01:49.10 | father0fnine | didn't hlep though |
| 01:49.13 | peterS | father0fnine: no, 'usbmouse' should not be, 'hid' is better |
| 01:49.39 | peterS | father0fnine: anyway: see if hid + mousedev (built in to the kernel) are working: od -tx1 -Anone -w3 /dev/input/mice |
| 01:50.11 | peterS | if you run that, then move or click your mouse, it will scroll your mouse data, one packet per line |
| 01:50.29 | father0fnine | are there "modules" for X or is X refering to the kernel modules when it talks about loaded, builtin, and not found? |
| 01:50.39 | peterS | not sure |
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| 01:50.59 | peterS | it probably means its own modules. anyway try that, see if /dev/input/mice is "connected" to your mouse as it were |
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| 01:51.32 | paissad-hp | i have a matter with getting images from one pc, actually, the LCD screens works nice, i tested it onto another PC, i wanted to know if the matter came from the graphic card, btw, i removed it and plugged another graphic card which works onto it, but i still have no image, so i just want to know where the matter may come from, or how to proceed in order to know the problem, thanks in advance |
| 01:51.55 | father0fnine | enouf: it works (if I used /dev/input/mouse0) |
| 01:52.42 | Psi-Jack | Okay. |
| 01:52.47 | father0fnine | Ok.... I have to feed the kids. I will bring this up with whoever's on in a couple of hours... Thanks for the pointers so far, though. |
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| 01:53.27 | Psi-Jack | So... Debian is well suited for server use, but some areas, I'd like to get slightly newer versions than what lenny currently has. For example, PostgreSQL 8.3.7 instead of 8.3.4, OpenLDAP 2.4.17 instead of 2.4.11 |
| 01:53.47 | peterS | Psi-Jack: the usual place to look it backports.org |
| 01:54.02 | peterS | (I haven't checked to see if they have postgres and openldap) |
| 01:54.25 | Psi-Jack | Well, There's PostgreSQL 8.4 which is cool. |
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| 01:55.20 | dman13 | enouf: yay! 'modprobe ide-generic' at the initramfs prompt finds my disks |
| 01:55.22 | enouf | VulcanRidr: try booting with 'nohpet' http://lxr.linux.no/linux+*/Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt#L71 or 'apicmaintimer' -- also - try a amd64 debian kernel |
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| 01:55.41 | dman13 | enouf: I decided to try 2.6.22 with the labels and that failed to boot with the same problem |
| 01:55.54 | Psi-Jack | But, no slapd, at all. |
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| 01:56.26 | VulcanRidr | enouf: amd64 kernel on an intel c2d chip? |
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| 01:56.37 | enouf | VulcanRidr: i know some of those might be 64bit kernel specific, and you're using a -bigmem kernel, so not sure which exact options apply /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt has atleast all the x86_32 options listed, IINM |
| 01:56.41 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:56.53 | enouf | VulcanRidr: yes |
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| 01:57.06 | enouf | !x84_64 |
| 01:57.06 | Psi-Jack | So, OpenLDAP, I still need, because there's been some serious advances of OpenLDAP from 2.4.11 to 2.4.17 that are way too major to not consider. |
| 01:57.07 | debian_d | is it possible to install gnome-mplayer? |
| 01:57.35 | enouf | dman13: nice? |
| 01:57.50 | enouf | father0fnine: good to hear |
| 01:57.53 | debian_d | enouf: is it possible to install gnome-mplayer? |
| 01:57.53 | dman13 | enouf: yes, it gives me something to work with :) |
| 01:57.58 | peterS | !simple sid backport |
| 01:57.58 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 01:58.02 | peterS | Psi-Jack: see what dpkg just said |
| 01:58.20 | VulcanRidr | enouf: So should I try these in order? first try nohpet, then apicmaintimer then the amd64 kernel? |
| 01:58.35 | peterS | as I recall, backporting newer postgresql-8.3 from sid to lenny was trivial |
| 01:58.48 | peterS | (I did it for my day job a few months ago) |
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| 01:59.51 | enouf | VulcanRidr: let me see something, one sec |
| 01:59.56 | VulcanRidr | k |
| 01:59.58 | Psi-Jack | peterS: Well, for me, what's in backports, 8.4.0, is fine. Perfectly acceptable, because 8.4 actually has some features for warm standbye. ;) |
| 02:00.04 | Psi-Jack | It's OpenLDAP that's serious. |
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| 02:00.44 | peterS | VulcanRidr: if you're running 32-bit debian on a 64-bit CPU, the _first_ thing I'd try is the linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 package, to give you a 64-bit kernel on your 32-bit system. _should_ have nothing but advantages. |
| 02:01.05 | peterS | if you aren't already running a 64-bit kernel, that is |
| 02:02.44 | VulcanRidr | peterS: Which would mean that I no longer need to worry about the bigmem because the 64bit kernel will properly manage the 4GB of RAM? |
| 02:03.15 | peterS | correct |
| 02:03.23 | enouf | VulcanRidr: unfortunately with your 32bit -bigmem kernel. there's more/other options, as i mentioned; http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.30.5/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt (find all instances of hpet) -- and heck, boot a debian -686 (non -bigmem) amd Yes, -amd64 will work fine |
| 02:03.32 | enouf | yep |
| 02:03.32 | purplepenguins | you can run a 64-bit kernel with everything else 32-bit? |
| 02:03.53 | purplepenguins | hmm, i should try that |
| 02:03.57 | peterS | purplepenguins: yes, the linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 package is provided in both 'i386' and 'amd64' debian architectures |
| 02:03.59 | Psi-Jack | Yeah... But you get little benefit out of it. |
| 02:05.15 | purplepenguins | when my P4 system died, using x86 debian, i just replaced the mobo/proc to be a64, and didn't change the os |
| 02:05.18 | VulcanRidr | enouf peterS: Ok. First I will install the amd64 kernel, then reboot and monitor. |
| 02:05.35 | purplepenguins | definitely didn't want to reinstall, wasn't worthwhile |
| 02:05.46 | enouf | VulcanRidr: so, AFAIU. when booting 32bit kernel hpet=disable == nohpet (64bit) |
| 02:05.56 | enouf | VulcanRidr: good show mate |
| 02:05.58 | peterS | Psi-Jack: offhand, reading the openldap debian changelog, I don't see anything that would cause it not to immediately build on lenny, if you download the sid source package. and nowadays, with symbol-specific dependencies, you _may_ not even need to rebuild. |
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| 02:06.38 | factor | I just had some foo bar on kde |
| 02:06.39 | VulcanRidr | enouf: I wonder why it just now cropped up. I have been running sid with the bigmem kernel for about 2 years on this machine. No real changes. |
| 02:06.44 | factor | upgraded and kde no longer works |
| 02:06.56 | factor | anyone using debian kde |
| 02:06.57 | enouf | VulcanRidr: except - recent kernel version? |
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| 02:07.06 | peterS | Psi-Jack: or ... hmmm. I do note they switched to db4.7, which lenny doesn't have. but as I understand it, openldap is sensitive to db versions and you don't want to use older libdb unless you go all the way back to db 4.2, so in that case I'd say you should probably install the db4.7 deb files too |
| 02:07.10 | markybob | it's fubar, not foo bar |
| 02:07.24 | enouf | VulcanRidr: perhaps a regression - file a bug if one doesn't exist |
| 02:07.26 | VulcanRidr | enouf: I upgraded to 2.6.30 when it came out, but apparently the last version did something. |
| 02:07.41 | factor | I have to start kde in terminal mode |
| 02:07.48 | enouf | so you had .29 working fine VulcanRidr ? |
| 02:07.52 | factor | I open up a lot of terminals to start kde progs |
| 02:08.05 | factor | everything works just no kde desktop |
| 02:08.10 | enouf | factor: please hit ENTER less often thanks |
| 02:08.13 | Psi-Jack | peterS: Right. And there was major reasons for the db change. |
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| 02:08.24 | factor | huh |
| 02:08.28 | VulcanRidr | enouf: Thats what I was suspecting. And actually, earlier versions of .30 worked as well. Or if it was bleeding time, it was slow enough that I didn't notice. |
| 02:08.28 | Psi-Jack | peterS: Basically, OpenLDAP 2.4.11, is completely useless. Prone to die. |
| 02:08.35 | factor | no desktop does not mater how many times I hit ENTER |
| 02:08.45 | enouf | factor: for kde4 see /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 02:08.49 | VulcanRidr | enouf: One last question. Should I expect problems with my nvidia drivers with the amd64 kernel? |
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| 02:08.58 | enouf | factor: i mean when here |
| 02:09.20 | enouf | VulcanRidr: every kernel will require you recompile the module |
| 02:09.32 | enouf | /change/ |
| 02:09.49 | enouf | problems? i think not VulcanRidr |
| 02:09.58 | factor | does anyone know the program name to start the kde panel |
| 02:10.18 | VulcanRidr | enouf: yes, I don't have a problem with that (m-a is a thing of beauty :) ), I was just making sure that it would work with the amd64 kernel. |
| 02:10.42 | markybob | factor, irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-kde |
| 02:10.43 | enouf | in kde3 it was somwething lkike ksmserver or k<something> |
| 02:10.51 | factor | I cant type in that channel |
| 02:10.57 | factor | and not too many in it |
| 02:11.04 | enouf | !enter |
| 02:11.04 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:11.10 | enouf | ffs |
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| 02:12.40 | VulcanRidr | All right...Here goes nothing. Thaks enouf, peterS! |
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| 02:14.32 | enouf | VulcanRidr: iwould forget about nvidia while you're running these tests - waste of time ;-) |
| 02:14.44 | VulcanRidr | yeah. |
| 02:15.33 | enouf | VulcanRidr: and, fwiw, be careful you don'tget caught in some weirdo 32bit vs 64bit LibGL library issues if you decide to use -amd64 for good ;-) |
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| 02:24.50 | VulcanRidr | enouf: Thats what I was worrying about with the amd64. First intel vs amd second 32bit vs 64bit. |
| 02:25.16 | VulcanRidr | In fact, that is the most non-intuitive kernel choice for my environment ever. |
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| 02:25.42 | phlux | how do I check which version of Debian I'm running? |
| 02:26.09 | CodeNinja | my cd rom drive has stopped working, when I try to mount any cd I get this: http://pastie.org/598479 any suggestions? |
| 02:26.27 | adb | phlux: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:26.32 | VulcanRidr | enouf: Does everything work for 64 bit? e.g. all the desktop stuff like flash, kde, etc? Would it be a better idea to rebuild the machine as ia64 and be done with it? |
| 02:26.35 | enouf | VulcanRidr: which is non-intuitive? AMD invented the 64bit extensions that intel calls EM64T/X86_64/Intel64 |
| 02:26.50 | phlux | adb: no way to tell which version number? |
| 02:26.57 | phlux | all it says is lenny/sid |
| 02:27.02 | enouf | VulcanRidr: ia64 is for itanium only |
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| 02:27.41 | adb | phlux: maybe squeeze/sid ? |
| 02:27.48 | johnakabean | yay perl is not broken in debian ;-) |
| 02:28.08 | enouf | phlux: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 |
| 02:28.27 | VulcanRidr | enouf: Okay, use the amd64 iso, i.e. build the machine as 64 bit and be done with it? |
| 02:28.46 | izua | mmmh, yeah. |
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| 02:28.59 | enouf | VulcanRidr: well, IF you require 64bit userland _as well as_ 64bit kernel, then yes |
| 02:29.01 | phlux | hm, 2.7-16 |
| 02:29.06 | VulcanRidr | The last time I thought about this, a bunch of stuff only existed in 32 bit versions and you had the 32bit vs 64bit library silliness. |
| 02:29.06 | phlux | is it time to upgrade or what |
| 02:29.11 | izua | so after a lot of googling there's a nice little hello.ko in my root folder which spams /var/log/messages when insmodded |
| 02:29.17 | phlux | I don't know if my debian is out of date or anything :\ |
| 02:29.18 | izua | it can't get any better than this. |
| 02:29.22 | VulcanRidr | I don't really think I need a 64bit userland. |
| 02:29.23 | peterS | VulcanRidr: I expect there are still 32-bit-only things out there. don't know what, offhand |
| 02:29.26 | enouf | VulcanRidr: right - some things still may be problematic - i wouldn't know though |
| 02:29.30 | peterS | VulcanRidr: google chrome, for one |
| 02:30.04 | VulcanRidr | peterS: google chrome, meh. But I take you guys points. |
| 02:30.24 | enouf | i think Adobe Flash has a 64bit Beta |
| 02:30.40 | enouf | and 64bit nvidia is out there ... erm, Java maybe? |
| 02:30.42 | VulcanRidr | So stick with the 32 bit userland/64 bit kernel and I should be happy. |
| 02:31.00 | peterS | VulcanRidr: definitely easier to set up, given you just install a kernel and reboot |
| 02:31.13 | VulcanRidr | Already did that. |
| 02:31.13 | enouf | right - for now - certain intense MAth apps would/might run better using 64bit |
| 02:31.16 | peterS | and lower risk, you're not really changing much |
| 02:31.24 | VulcanRidr | Just the reboot part left. |
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| 02:33.32 | phlux | what's the latest version of debian? |
| 02:33.44 | enouf | phlux: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 |
| 02:33.44 | phlux | debian_version says I'm on lenny/sid |
| 02:33.58 | hakr | lenny is latest stable version |
| 02:34.00 | phlux | enouf: 2.7-16 |
| 02:34.10 | enouf | judd: versions libc6 |
| 02:34.11 | judd | enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-23 sid: 2.9-25 |
| 02:34.35 | phlux | so I need to upgrade something then, eh |
| 02:34.36 | enouf | you're on lenny and behind on updates |
| 02:34.39 | heyhe18 | can anybody kindly tell me how to install debian lenn from hard drived on which vista existed without burning a cd/dvd? |
| 02:34.44 | enouf | !debian mantra |
| 02:34.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
| 02:35.02 | enouf | heyhe18: /msg dpkg debian.exe |
| 02:35.11 | phlux | enouf: is that all I have to do? |
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| 02:35.40 | enouf | phlux: depends - you obviously already installed things from Outside of lenny |
| 02:36.03 | phlux | why is that? |
| 02:36.14 | enouf | 15:38 < phlux> debian_version says I'm on lenny/sid |
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| 02:36.32 | enouf | you might just have -backports though, who knows |
| 02:36.59 | phlux | do I need to change my sources.list first? |
| 02:37.15 | enouf | for what? |
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| 02:37.37 | phlux | to upgrade to squeeze |
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| 02:38.29 | gimbal | hey folks. starting to plan a dist upgrade from lenny to squeeze - trying to move on to the newest-in-debian fglrx + xserver codebase namely - are there any suggestions that the chan. or the dpkg bot would have, about how to go about this cleanly? |
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| 02:39.13 | enouf | phlux: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 02:39.32 | enouf | gimbal: you too |
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| 02:39.58 | gimbal | still not sure about it, though - linode.com has lenny available, and I'd like to set up a linode account. it would be ideal to be able to build packages for the server, on my own comp... guess I can stick with virtualbox for that, though! |
| 02:40.02 | gimbal | enouf: thanks |
| 02:41.34 | phlux | How can I edit what appears on the 'grip' menu at boot? |
| 02:41.50 | phlux | Currently, it displays like 10 kernels, then my Windows boot. |
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| 02:42.10 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.36 | phlux | ah, I have it in /boot |
| 02:42.38 | phlux | thanks :) |
| 02:42.41 | pickcoder | the default menu option is called "default" and the first kernel enry is "0" |
| 02:42.56 | pickcoder | er yeah /boot/ |
| 02:43.38 | gimbal | grip? is this another bootloader? |
| 02:43.49 | gimbal | I know it's also the name of a nice CD-ripping app, too ^-^ |
| 02:43.56 | Psi-Jack | No, grip is not a boot loader. |
| 02:44.35 | gimbal | it was a typoed name of grub, I guess...? |
| 02:44.54 | Psi-Jack | Doubtful, there IS a program called, ironically, grip. |
| 02:45.12 | Psi-Jack | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=grip |
| 02:45.32 | phlux | haha |
| 02:45.34 | phlux | grip.. |
| 02:45.35 | phlux | grub. |
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| 02:45.49 | phlux | I meant grub. I don't know why grip came out there. |
| 02:46.00 | phlux | I, too, use grip to rip CDs. |
| 02:46.11 | Psi-Jack | Okay, maybe he's that much of a dip to mistake grip for grub afterall. |
| 02:46.17 | Psi-Jack | I don't use grip at all. |
| 02:46.19 | phlux | lol |
| 02:46.22 | gimbal | could've been a freudian slip heh |
| 02:46.23 | bubsy | I just installed debian 5.0.2a on my machine (base, without gui - going to be a server)... I found out that my rt2561 (cnet cwp-854) wasn't supported, so I grabbed the rt73-cvs-daily and compiled it |
| 02:46.28 | bubsy | then I modprobed it blabla |
| 02:46.29 | phlux | I don't know what was on my mind, to be honest. |
| 02:46.35 | bubsy | iwconfig shows wlan0 |
| 02:46.38 | phlux | I can't get used to Linux.. I've used FreeBSD for too many years. |
| 02:46.43 | gimbal | damned surprising how often those happen.... the subsconcious is the most talkative part of the mind, in some conversations, it could seem |
| 02:46.47 | Psi-Jack | phlux: Since it had to do with gripping something, I don't think we want to know. :) |
| 02:46.53 | bubsy | and I've set it up in /etc/network/interface, but it won't look up pages |
| 02:46.58 | bubsy | I guess it's a DNS issue, but not sure :-/ |
| 02:47.18 | bubsy | tips? |
| 02:47.27 | gimbal | which leads me to conclude, we're all walking around in a perpetual state of REM sleep with our eyes open ^-^ heh sorry about the WOTness |
| 02:47.28 | phlux | I have FreeBSD on all of the desktops and on my dedicated server, but the laptop would only run Vista/Debian, so I dual-boot. |
| 02:47.33 | bubsy | (yes, I've set up dns in the interface config file) |
| 02:47.49 | phlux | Psi-Jack: probably a fair assumption. |
| 02:47.54 | pickcoder | bubsy: /etc/resolv.conf determines name resolution |
| 02:47.55 | Psi-Jack | bubsy: What, tips? No, you haven't been helpful yet. No tip for you. ;) |
| 02:47.57 | heyhe18 | can hot keys on hp laptops work in debian? |
| 02:48.03 | pickcoder | bubsy: are you using dhcp? |
| 02:48.11 | bubsy | pickcoder: nope, static :) |
| 02:48.17 | bubsy | Psi-Jack: hehe, made me smile |
| 02:48.36 | bubsy | I'll check out that file |
| 02:48.36 | heyhe18 | bubsy is a chinese? |
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| 02:48.41 | gimbal | heyhey: i'd think it would be likely; it may require some laptop-specific kernel modules, and/or laptop-specific keyboard configurations. I'm honestly not familiar with the details of this, but I think there's a laptop support package |
| 02:48.45 | bubsy | brb, I only have one monitor, so I have to switch |
| 02:48.48 | phlux | so since compiz is broken on this kernel, can I just reinstall it using apt-get and expect it to work? |
| 02:48.51 | bubsy | no heyhe18, I'm Norwegian |
| 02:48.54 | phlux | (I upgraded kernels, btw.) |
| 02:49.08 | Psi-Jack | Oh dear god. He's gay. ;) |
| 02:49.27 | Psi-Jack | Gay, meaning, happy. :p |
| 02:49.29 | gimbal | heyhe18: /msg dpkg laptop i guess wrt the hp question |
| 02:49.32 | ninjaslim | phlux: since you say you use FreeBSD, i just installed Ubuntu and was using FreeBSD for a year, do you know if CLICOLOR for ls is just a FreeBSD thing |
| 02:49.39 | heyhe18 | busby:how can u use "hehe" so properly ,,haha |
| 02:49.48 | Psi-Jack | ninjaslim: Yes it is. |
| 02:49.54 | heyhe18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.56 | Psi-Jack | ninjaslim: Linux uses LS_COLOS |
| 02:50.01 | Psi-Jack | LS_COLORS or something. |
| 02:50.07 | bubsy | pickcoder: it says "search thelegacy\r\nnameserver 208.67.222.222\r\nnameserver 208.67.220.220" |
| 02:50.13 | bubsy | looks correct :p |
| 02:50.16 | phlux | ninjaslim: I have never seen it elsewhere, but I never use CLICOLOR anyhow. |
| 02:50.28 | Psi-Jack | bubsy: *nix doesn't use \r in newlines. Just \n |
| 02:50.28 | phlux | I assume it is *BSD specific, though. |
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| 02:50.50 | bubsy | Psi-Jack: Oh, okay... I just wrote them because \n is the end of a message on irc |
| 02:50.54 | bubsy | and it's spamming :p |
| 02:50.56 | phlux | I like my terminals black and white :P |
| 02:51.21 | gimbal | just mentions the BASH prompt HOWTO for the heck of it http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ |
| 02:51.28 | pickcoder | bubsy: so do a "host google.com" and see what comes back |
| 02:51.46 | bubsy | "uknown host" or so |
| 02:51.49 | bubsy | un |
| 02:51.49 | gimbal | had a fancy lookign prompt on one installation on a comp I used to have, haven't gone so full-out about it on this one |
| 02:52.02 | Psi-Jack | Hmmmm |
| 02:52.07 | phlux | Anyone using a printer/scanner combo with Debian? |
| 02:52.14 | Psi-Jack | What version of Postfix does Debian 5 presently have.... |
| 02:52.20 | gimbal | phlux: yah; whassa question? heh |
| 02:52.37 | phlux | With FreeBSD, I had to power cycle the printer, and unload the scanner module in order to get CUPS to recognize it. |
| 02:52.43 | gimbal | Psi-jack: http://packages.debian.org/postfix would probably be one place to start wrt the question |
| 02:52.48 | phlux | The machine is currently running XP, but I think it would run much smoother with Debian |
| 02:52.57 | Psi-Jack | I just did dpkg -s postfix heh |
| 02:52.59 | gimbal | phlux: no sh* brotha! |
| 02:53.01 | phlux | I also want to network the printer.. but I assume samba can handle that. |
| 02:53.08 | heyhe18 | phlux: do u mean all-in-one machine?i use it in windows1 |
| 02:53.18 | phlux | yes, it is an all-in-one |
| 02:53.20 | Psi-Jack | Just got an advisory from Wieste about versions NOT to use. |
| 02:53.22 | heyhe18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.32 | phlux | I think I might stick with Windows on that machine, tbh |
| 02:53.41 | phlux | It is, after all, the family machine. |
| 02:53.43 | bubsy | pickcoder: http://dpaste.org/OTLN/ |
| 02:53.47 | gimbal | phlux: checked linuxprinting.org about the make/model? or http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting these days |
| 02:53.47 | bubsy | here's my /etc/network/interfacve |
| 02:54.01 | phlux | I'll be 21 Tuesday... I think I'll surprise the wifey with a new computer ^_^ |
| 02:54.10 | phlux | that will, of course, really be mine. |
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| 02:54.17 | phlux | since its my b-day. |
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| 02:55.10 | ninjaslim | gimabl: haha, i use zsh |
| 02:55.22 | ninjaslim | phlux: you wouldn't happen to know how i could bsd on ubuntu owuld you? |
| 02:55.28 | enouf | !cups |
| 02:55.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cups is the Common UNIX Printing System. CUPS provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:55.38 | pickcoder | bubsy: try using Verizon's temporarily @ 4.2.2.2 |
| 02:55.45 | gimbal | ninjaslim: I wasn't following your discussion, but maybe virtualbox could help? |
| 02:55.47 | pickcoder | if it fails, then you have some connection problems |
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| 02:56.03 | bubsy | pickcoder: use what? |
| 02:56.07 | bubsy | :p |
| 02:56.11 | ninjaslim | gimbal: how could it help, unless i'm able to grab the code for BSD ls and compile it on Ubuntu |
| 02:56.12 | phlux | ninjaslim: I'm not sure I follow you. |
| 02:56.20 | bubsy | I know that the dns is up btw |
| 02:56.21 | samferry | hey, anyone in here up for a general question? the guys in the distro's channel kinda just ignored me. |
| 02:56.22 | bubsy | it's opendns |
| 02:56.27 | gimbal | ninjaslim: ahah, yeah I wasn't sure what you were asking about ^-^ |
| 02:56.32 | bubsy | I use it right now on this main pc |
| 02:56.52 | phlux | What browser/flash version are you all using? Does YouTube work with it? What if you're using esd? |
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| 02:57.09 | gimbal | ninjaslim: I wouldn't be surprised if it could work out. I mean, I'd bet that those BSD coders have just enough chutzpah to make sure their LS works on Linux ^-^ in a perfect world, albeit... |
| 02:57.12 | phlux | afaik flash works fine with Opera, but I get no sound thanks to esd :\ |
| 02:57.36 | gimbal | to pull the ls source from a BSD distro and build it on a debian box, I mean, as far as what could work out ^-^ |
| 02:58.04 | ninjaslim | gimbal: haha, i should find out because this is pissing me off beyond belief, i've tried the color scheme in bash, but it gives me weiird colors in zsh and that doesn't happen in FreeBSD or Mac OS X |
| 02:58.24 | phlux | meh |
| 02:58.27 | phlux | why do you need color? :\ |
| 02:58.29 | bubsy | any other config file I should poke, pickcoder? Remember that I just compiled the kernel module, I only had eth0 before |
| 02:58.33 | gimbal | gimbal: sounds like termcap fun, which is code for "no fun" of course hehehe |
| 02:58.35 | ninjaslim | phlux: can't live without it |
| 02:58.36 | bubsy | and the goal is to remove eth0 and get wlan0 up and running |
| 02:58.39 | phlux | lol |
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| 02:59.20 | phlux | anyone know how I can get flash working with sound and have esd running? |
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| 03:00.34 | gimbal | phlux: ahh, dangit, it sounds like it's one of those sound-card things . some sound cards only accept one input at a time, to the card's dsp stuff. there is a way to work around that with the appropriate alsa config, but I've lost track of every bookmark I had about it |
| 03:00.59 | phlux | ah |
| 03:01.00 | phlux | that sucks |
| 03:01.08 | heyhe18 | i'm in China mainland,the gov blocked youtube,how could i reach it in windows and linux? |
| 03:01.12 | gimbal | phlux: what make/model of sound card there? |
| 03:02.11 | phlux | gimbal: I'm not even sure.. it's in a fairly new (not even 2 years old yet) laptop |
| 03:02.13 | ninjaslim | screw it too lazy |
| 03:03.06 | gimbal | phlux: ok, well 'dmix' would be one keyword about it - looking at the old commented-out parts of my own ~/.asoundrc ; the dmix alsa plugin would be used to work this kind of no-magic ^-^ |
| 03:03.20 | phlux | ah, I see. thanks :) |
| 03:03.31 | phlux | and now that I'm looking, flash doesn't give sound at all.. |
| 03:03.34 | phlux | even when esd is off. |
| 03:03.44 | gimbal | phlux: fwiw, you can install lshw-gtk to get a good lookat what your box has; once you get that info, could just try plugging in the name of the sound-card and/or alsa driver into google, along with 'dmix' or somesuch |
| 03:03.55 | gimbal | phlux: muted the mixer? |
| 03:04.16 | Psi-Jack | You can't mute the mixer. |
| 03:04.20 | phlux | aha... |
| 03:04.23 | phlux | here it is.. |
| 03:04.26 | phlux | ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default |
| 03:04.27 | phlux | ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1240:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card |
| 03:04.31 | phlux | I get a lot of similar errors. |
| 03:04.32 | heyhe18 | time for lunch now in Shanghai time@@@@@@@ |
| 03:04.49 | phlux | weird that esd would work and not flash if there's something wrong with alsa.. |
| 03:05.13 | gimbal | phlux: ahah, sounds like a balky alsa config. I assume there may be *no* line in your ~/.asounrdc reading "pcm.!default { .... }" |
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| 03:05.55 | gimbal | heyhe18: enjoy! ^-^ |
| 03:05.56 | phlux | my .asoundrc is completely blank :D |
| 03:06.03 | gimbal | yeah that could be related |
| 03:06.10 | phlux | Indeed. |
| 03:06.26 | heyhe18 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:06.38 | phlux | I was unaware I needed a .asoundrc |
| 03:06.51 | gimbal | phlux: i'm no alsa config wizard.... but this was written by people who probably were: http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc |
| 03:07.40 | gimbal | phlux: I'd guess that something is trying to send audio specifically to one 'default' alsa device, and since there's not one of those defined, the system is experiencing a minor hiccup |
| 03:07.53 | enouf | !alsa users |
| 03:08.02 | enouf | !list alsa users |
| 03:08.03 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 03:08.24 | phlux | woah |
| 03:08.34 | phlux | aplay -L tells me there are no soundcards found... |
| 03:08.53 | enouf | lsof |egrep 'flash|firefox|pulse' and start killing shit |
| 03:09.00 | gimbal | sounds like a driver wasn't loaded; getting closer to the underlying issue... |
| 03:09.06 | phlux | but why would esd work? |
| 03:09.06 | enouf | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 03:09.16 | phlux | when I issue esd as root, I get the beeps, everything |
| 03:09.25 | enouf | it's not OSS |
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| 03:09.32 | gimbal | phlux: ahah, is your non-root user a part of the 'audio' group yet? |
| 03:09.33 | enouf | flash is |
| 03:09.42 | gimbal | and I mean 'part' as in 'member' hehe |
| 03:09.51 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 03:09.52 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 03:09.59 | phlux | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.03 | phlux | ah, no I am not. |
| 03:10.15 | phlux | I was unaware that I could be in multiple groups. |
| 03:10.35 | enouf | you need more than 2 to be effective ;-) |
| 03:10.45 | enouf | stompthebozo adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev staff saned powerdev |
| 03:11.01 | phlux | how do I add myself to the group? |
| 03:11.09 | gimbal | phlux: you can use 'adduser' or 'addgroup' to fix that; by the way, you'll need to log in again, to get the system to recognize your new group memberships (short of running a command under 'newgrp' in a shell) |
| 03:11.12 | enouf | gpasswd user group |
| 03:11.12 | phlux | I guess this is where FreeBSD and Linux really differ o_O |
| 03:11.32 | enouf | or useradd -a -G .... or usermod or .... |
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| 03:12.08 | gimbal | phlux: might want to look at some of the other groups in /etc/group 'course - there's debian policy docs about all of those, afaik, but I'm not sure offhand where they are, maybe under a new-user guide or somesuch, I'd guess |
| 03:12.21 | enouf | !groups |
| 03:12.21 | dpkg | from memory, groups is file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html . Ask me about <group> and <desktop groups>. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
| 03:13.08 | bubsy | pickcoder: iwconfig wlan0 gives "Signal:0 Link:0 Access Point: not specified" or so |
| 03:13.16 | bubsy | and if I ping my router's IP, it doesn't reach it :-/ |
| 03:13.37 | bubsy | ifup wlan0 gives "wlan0 is already configured" |
| 03:13.45 | phlux | enouf: the gpasswd user group syntax is incorrect |
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| 03:15.04 | enouf | no it isn't |
| 03:15.13 | phlux | it complains to me |
| 03:15.15 | gimbal | phlux: just to remind, you'll need to log out and log in again - whether you logged in on console or xdm/gdm/kdm, whichever - for your new group memberships to be recognized. I guess that's the way libc works |
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| 03:15.27 | gimbal | forgot that, briefly, once, and it was annoying ^-^ |
| 03:15.32 | enouf | er add -a |
| 03:15.36 | phlux | aye |
| 03:15.44 | enouf | my bad |
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| 03:17.00 | phlux | bah, I can't test this now >_< |
| 03:17.05 | phlux | I have to wait for updates to finish |
| 03:17.14 | phlux | I'm on 280 of 341. |
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| 03:17.21 | phlux | got like 45 minutes left :\ |
| 03:17.39 | phlux | oh well, will let you all know how it goes. thanks enouf, gimbal |
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| 03:19.13 | jrdave | hey guys... Im so confused about the following problem: in my fstab I have the following |
| 03:19.13 | jrdave | /dev/sdb1 /media/data xfs rw,noauto,user,noexec,async 0 0 |
| 03:19.13 | jrdave | and i can mount that partition (actually its a whole local disk with one partition) as a user but it mount only as READONLY |
| 03:19.13 | jrdave | I tried using umask, but nautilus complains immediately regardless of the umask values about invalid mount options... I really appreciate ur help guys |
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| 03:19.39 | gimbal | phlux: np; glad to lend some help ^-^ |
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| 03:22.10 | gimbal | jrdave: silly question, but w.r.t the folder /media/data , can it be written to by the user? |
| 03:22.23 | gimbal | i mean, are the perms set up like that, there? |
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| 03:23.23 | enouf | jrdave: don't know much about xfs, but might it need a fsck? |
| 03:23.28 | jrdave | hmmm.. anyway |
| 03:24.06 | enouf | jrdave: why noexec? - try 'defaults' only if that's an option - and async? er .. |
| 03:24.15 | jrdave | I thought it was a straightforward matter regardless of the type |
| 03:24.38 | enouf | it's not - eachFSType accepts different options |
| 03:24.44 | enouf | and XFS has it' |
| 03:24.47 | jrdave | when I use defaults, it mounts as read only for user |
| 03:24.50 | enouf | s own fsck way |
| 03:25.16 | enouf | how about you add uid=xxxx,gid=xxxx |
| 03:25.26 | jrdave | enouf: ok |
| 03:25.30 | enouf | where id -a will show you user's xxxx |
| 03:25.36 | jrdave | enouf: I'll try that |
| 03:25.48 | enouf | and who owns /media/data ? |
| 03:26.10 | jrdave | enouf: all own that |
| 03:26.20 | enouf | is user in group all? |
| 03:26.41 | jrdave | yes |
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| 03:27.52 | jrdave | enouf: gid uid didnt work.. invalid mount options :S |
| 03:28.12 | enouf | let's see what you put |
| 03:28.44 | phlux | enouf: gimbal: sound works.. I don't have to enable esd to hear youtube and pidgin. Thanks again! |
| 03:28.49 | enouf | and id -u ; id -g says? |
| 03:29.08 | jrdave | /dev/sdb1 /media/data xfs rw,noauto,user,noexec,async,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
| 03:29.25 | gimbal | phlux: cool! glad it's working & stuff. like, enjoy! hehe |
| 03:29.34 | enouf | ls -l /media/data |
| 03:29.44 | enouf | !\o/ phlux |
| 03:29.44 | phlux | one more question... |
| 03:29.46 | neoark | in bind how limit size of statistics-file? |
| 03:30.02 | jrdave | enouf: total 0 |
| 03:30.09 | enouf | heh |
| 03:30.13 | phlux | with gnome, when I pushed my "volume up" or "volume down" buttons on my laptop, the sound would adjust, but it's not doing that in XFCE |
| 03:30.17 | phlux | any ideas how to get it to? |
| 03:30.40 | enouf | ls -ld /media/data |
| 03:30.58 | gimbal | neoark: is that a log file? I'm not too familiar with bind, but if it is a log file you're trying to limit the size of, I'd look at the configuration for logrotate |
| 03:31.12 | enouf | phlux: that's a keybinding/mapping issue |
| 03:31.21 | enouf | multimedia keys |
| 03:31.23 | neoark | gimbal yeh |
| 03:31.36 | enouf | ls -ld /media/data jrdave |
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| 03:32.07 | gimbal | neoark: cool. 'man logrotate' looks like it would give you the docs for the config |
| 03:32.14 | enouf | jrdave: fwiw, pmount, or your DE automounter should allow for users to mount rw |
| 03:32.23 | enouf | !automount |
| 03:32.23 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
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| 03:32.31 | johnakabean | enouf, after I install the deb package, is there anything else I need to do? |
| 03:32.38 | johnakabean | other than reboot? |
| 03:32.52 | enouf | johnakabean: the .deb of a compiled kernel using make-kpkg? |
| 03:32.59 | jrdave | enouf: drwxdrwxrwx /media/data |
| 03:33.08 | enouf | johnakabean: dpkg-i file.deb |
| 03:33.21 | enouf | jrdave: wrong |
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| 03:33.34 | enouf | ~$ ls -ld /mnt/point |
| 03:33.35 | enouf | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 48 2009-04-24 01:55 /mnt/point |
| 03:33.46 | umarzuki | i cannot start rhythmbox on lenny 64 bit after it suddenly hanged |
| 03:34.20 | enouf | johnakabean: er, dpkg -i file.deb |
| 03:34.24 | samferry | http://paste2.org/p/404854 |
| 03:34.37 | acu01 | umarzuki killall rhythmbox then restart it |
| 03:34.46 | samferry | any ideas why vsFTPd throws a 530 when the user/pass are correct? |
| 03:35.34 | umarzuki | acu01: thanks |
| 03:36.14 | jrdave | enouf: ok.. I have it drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 48 2009-04-24 01:55 /mnt/point... it mounts as read only for user |
| 03:36.17 | acu01 | umarzuki, welcomes :) though if the hang occurs regularly it means there is something more |
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| 03:37.04 | umarzuki | after a few months, this is the only time it hang |
| 03:37.51 | enouf | jrdave: well, i chown user:group usually - that might not be best for you though |
| 03:38.08 | jrdave | enouf: ok, thanks |
| 03:38.13 | enouf | jrdave: read what else i said about pmount and automounter |
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| 03:38.19 | gimbal | umarzuki: maybe it's a problem with the media fstream? fwiw, I've seen rhythmbox on lenny having troubles when streaming an ogg (icecast?) station - something about mangled data path, or something |
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| 03:38.35 | gimbal | er ... fstream or not, I mean, the media stream or media files |
| 03:40.02 | gimbal | just as a shot in the dark, I say |
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| 03:40.28 | phlux | is there some way I can see the other shares on my network? |
| 03:41.01 | phlux | ah, figured it out |
| 03:41.07 | phlux | smb:// ftw! |
| 03:41.23 | enouf | !kio_slavesmite phlux |
| 03:41.30 | enouf | :-p |
| 03:41.45 | phlux | LOL |
| 03:41.48 | phlux | er, lol |
| 03:41.50 | phlux | ;) |
| 03:42.20 | umarzuki | anyone ever configure splunk on debian to log snmptrap? |
| 03:43.01 | umarzuki | splunk has nice tools to log syslog but not snmp, i wonder why |
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| 03:50.49 | brbrbr | how to get current alsa version ? |
| 03:50.53 | oasisfai | is it possible to use cpufreq in lenny xen-kernel-image? |
| 03:51.49 | brbrbr | oh i get it. |
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| 03:54.06 | phlux | how can I tell what's using my sound card? |
| 03:54.25 | markybob | phlux, you ask nicely |
| 03:54.37 | markybob | phlux, or you learn to use lsof |
| 03:54.46 | phlux | markybob: it's not answering. lsof might be a better option. |
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| 03:54.50 | phlux | thanks ;) |
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| 04:04.50 | neoark | gimbal yeh was wondering if there was size attribute to it |
| 04:04.59 | neoark | or if u can add it |
| 04:05.37 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, okay, nis seems to be broken in Debian |
| 04:06.43 | pickcoder | Psi-Jack: works fine on the boxes I use it on |
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| 04:06.57 | ichigogo | anyone know anything about decompiling vb6? im willing to pay MO, paypal, check etc PM me |
| 04:07.05 | Psi-Jack | Starting NIS services: ypbindbinding to YP server............... --- Eventually it ties out and fails. |
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| 04:07.25 | pickcoder | ichigogo: what does that have to do with Debian? |
| 04:07.41 | pickcoder | Psi-Jack: you do have a machine configured for server mode? |
| 04:07.53 | Psi-Jack | pickcoder: Yes. |
| 04:07.58 | ichigogo | pick: nothing |
| 04:08.02 | Psi-Jack | The one I'm working on is the master. |
| 04:08.07 | pickcoder | and they are in the same nis domain? |
| 04:08.21 | pickcoder | Psi-Jack: make sure it's not trying to bind to itself |
| 04:08.22 | Psi-Jack | The one I'm working on, is the master, the only one, of all. |
| 04:08.29 | Psi-Jack | It probably is trying. heh |
| 04:08.56 | gimbal | neoark: in the logrotate(8) manual page, hehe, I'm seeing a 'size' configuration option, there. might also want to look at the cron(8) manual page, toward getting logrotate to run more frequently than the daily(?) frequency it runs at, as installed |
| 04:10.33 | pickcoder | Psi-Jack: also make sure the hostname is resolvable or use an IP |
| 04:11.29 | Psi-Jack | Ahhh.. For some reason 127.0.0.1 was in my resolv.conf |
| 04:11.34 | gaintsura | I cannot get my CD Drive to mount ANY cd, dmesg says: http://pastie.org/598479 I've tried many cd's verified via lshw it is there, but still nothing, any suggestions? |
| 04:11.44 | Psi-Jack | That MAY have been the issue, waiting to see now. |
| 04:13.18 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, blasted, nope. Still failing. |
| 04:13.45 | pickcoder | Psi-Jack: the only time I have binding issues is when the clients come up before the server is available |
| 04:14.22 | Psi-Jack | pickcoder: Basically I installed the nis package, dpkg set the domain, It failed from then on. |
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| 04:14.40 | gimbal | gaintsura: not sure, offhand. If I was seeing that, though, I'd start googling with the name of the cd drive and some particular excerpts from the log message text, e..g: lg "invalid position buffer" (with quotes in the search phrase, assuming you'd be using google) |
| 04:15.29 | gaintsura | gimbal: that occurs when the tray is opening, not worried about that, its after that that everything is nasty |
| 04:16.04 | gimbal | ok, so try "incompatible medium installed" as part of the search phrase, and something identifying the make/model of drive, as the rest of the search phrase ^-^ |
| 04:16.05 | pickcoder | Psi-Jack: I have a domain configured in local DNS and it's not included in the /etc/hosts list |
| 04:16.11 | pickcoder | for the server |
| 04:16.21 | Psi-Jack | Same here. |
| 04:16.22 | gimbal | some problems are too specific for any general solutions to be applicable ^-^ |
| 04:16.44 | Psi-Jack | pickcoder: My DNS servers have the domain, it's not defined in the hosts file at all. jUts the fqdn. |
| 04:16.49 | pickcoder | Psi-Jack: and host <NIS domain> resolves to the same IP as the server? |
| 04:16.59 | Psi-Jack | Yes |
| 04:17.25 | pickcoder | are you blocking the port with a firewall? |
| 04:17.30 | gimbal | gaintsura: odds are, someone else has run into the same issue, before, y'know? ^-^ |
| 04:17.47 | Psi-Jack | pickcoder: Nope. |
| 04:18.00 | gaintsura | right, so far seeing if changing fstab to auto instead of udf,iso9660 it has not worked yet |
| 04:18.13 | pickcoder | make sure 927tcp and 926udp are avail |
| 04:18.19 | ajavid | hi good evening |
| 04:18.29 | pickcoder | then check /var/log/messages for clues |
| 04:18.33 | gimbal | shrugs and goes back to sweeping up the barroom floor |
| 04:18.43 | shivraj | are western digital drives always noisy ? |
| 04:18.45 | ajavid | there are many MTA, which one should I pick? |
| 04:18.50 | gaintsura | O.o I uh... wtf |
| 04:18.57 | ajavid | I just need to run a very very simple smtp server |
| 04:19.04 | gaintsura | su -c 'mount /dev/cdrom'; Permission denied |
| 04:19.05 | gaintsura | O.O |
| 04:19.17 | pickcoder | shivraj: some of them are, depending on the model |
| 04:19.22 | gaintsura | same with /dev/hda |
| 04:19.27 | pickcoder | ajavid: define "simple" |
| 04:20.07 | gimbal | ajavid: I hear that many CTOs prefer the dartboard method. just get a bunch of post-it pads, write the name of each available one on one of those, affix to dartboard, affix dartboard to something other than an interior wall, throw, and see what the wind determines ^-^ really, though, it depends on what you're after. exim and postfix are the two mainstays, I guess. I use postfix, because it seems to me to be easier to configure |
| 04:20.35 | ajavid | this is my goal |
| 04:21.02 | pickcoder | gimbal: the 8-ball toy is often quicker and less painful for office inmates |
| 04:21.05 | Psi-Jack | pickcoder: I got mulitail running on /var/log/syslog and messages, nothing, at all. |
| 04:21.22 | ajavid | I need to run MTA on server, smarthost, relay through google mail servers using TLS/SSL |
| 04:21.27 | Psi-Jack | ypbind[13062]: broadcast: RPC: Timed out. |
| 04:21.28 | gimbal | pickcoder: lol! i guess i'll have to get me one, then ^-^ |
| 04:21.30 | Psi-Jack | That's all I get . |
| 04:21.31 | ajavid | what is the best option for MTA in this |
| 04:21.32 | ajavid | ? |
| 04:22.00 | gaintsura | wait.. |
| 04:22.02 | gimbal | ajavid: iirc, postfix was pretty easy to configure for that. exim might be too, but I wasn't as patient with it, when I was setting up such a kind of setup, once |
| 04:22.10 | Psi-Jack | pickcoder: It looks like it's trying to bind to itself. |
| 04:22.11 | gimbal | just uses the imap feature of gmail now |
| 04:22.17 | pickcoder | ajavid: TLS and secure SMTP is not "simple" mail |
| 04:22.38 | pickcoder | consider postfix or exim4 (I'm biased to postfix since that's all I will run) |
| 04:22.41 | ajavid | why not? |
| 04:22.42 | gimbal | in fact, the fact that qmail wasn't easy to configure for that is why I stopped using qmail ^-^ |
| 04:22.56 | gimbal | ...on my home machine, even... glutton for pyooonishment ^-^ |
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| 04:23.11 | Psi-Jack | There we go! |
| 04:23.27 | Psi-Jack | It was /etc/default/nis |
| 04:23.28 | pickcoder | ajavid: simple MTA is nullmailer |
| 04:23.36 | pickcoder | Psi-Jack: oh yeah |
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| 04:23.38 | Psi-Jack | Heh |
| 04:24.02 | ajavid | http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 04:24.04 | pickcoder | I sometimes forget that's there :/ |
| 04:24.09 | ajavid | this good? |
| 04:24.11 | Psi-Jack | pickcoder: Now, a curious question. I presume it'll be done through pam and/or nss, I want to make it so you have to be in specific groups to actually login to other systems. |
| 04:24.11 | ajavid | lookit |
| 04:24.34 | gaintsura | gimbal: this seems to be the issue: Incompatible medium installed -- (asc=0x30, ascq=0x00) |
| 04:24.44 | pickcoder | ajavid: sure. if it works and you're happy with it |
| 04:24.47 | pickcoder | try it out |
| 04:24.55 | gimbal | gaintsura: ok. I apllaud your tenacity in figuring it out ^-^ |
| 04:25.35 | gimbal | ...i mean, there's nothing I can really do, but I'm all ears |
| 04:25.38 | pickcoder | Psi-Jack: that's configured in the /var/yp/<domain> |
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| 04:26.08 | pickcoder | look at the Makefile in /var/yp |
| 04:26.55 | Psi-Jack | Ooh, this might work too, the MAXUID and MAXGID |
| 04:27.20 | pickcoder | then configure /etc/nsswitch.conf accordingly |
| 04:27.23 | pickcoder | on the clients |
| 04:27.30 | ajavid | !xmail |
| 04:27.56 | Psi-Jack | pickcoder: OKay. So like I asked earlier, nss and/or pam itself would set the limitation? ;) |
| 04:28.10 | pickcoder | nss would control it, yes |
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| 04:28.46 | pickcoder | it's nice in some ways and messy in others |
| 04:28.48 | Psi-Jack | That's what I needed, then. The groups are going to be NIS-shared, just on, for example, server:bragi, has a group by the same name, and is also the nis server. |
| 04:28.57 | pickcoder | LDAP works better in most cases |
| 04:29.05 | Psi-Jack | I don't want all users to be able to login to all servers. :) |
| 04:29.25 | Psi-Jack | Yeaaah. But Debian's openldap version is.... 2.4.11. Bad bad baaad version. |
| 04:29.34 | pickcoder | backport? |
| 04:29.38 | Psi-Jack | None |
| 04:29.43 | Psi-Jack | None for openldap. |
| 04:29.50 | pickcoder | make one :) |
| 04:29.54 | Psi-Jack | Heh |
| 04:30.09 | Psi-Jack | Nope. I'm all slap'd out, at the moment. |
| 04:30.11 | Psi-Jack | NIS, works. |
| 04:30.18 | pickcoder | (usually) |
| 04:30.27 | pickcoder | I can't complain, though. |
| 04:30.28 | Psi-Jack | And it's all I really need, over a gigabit network, it's fine. |
| 04:30.46 | pickcoder | I'm using for user and mail alias lookups |
| 04:30.57 | shivraj | pickcoder: certainly noisier than a seagate, .. brandnew ... plus my case is open ... so maybe it will be quieter |
| 04:31.11 | pickcoder | what's annoying is having to "recompile" the /var/yp directory everytime something changes |
| 04:31.20 | Psi-Jack | pickcoder: I'm using it for central user management. ;) |
| 04:31.20 | pickcoder | you may want to add a crontab to do that |
| 04:31.41 | Psi-Jack | All my internal mail servers are just going to smarthost to my primary. |
| 04:31.49 | pickcoder | shivraj: the 10K RPM Raptor series can be noisy |
| 04:33.17 | pickcoder | Seagates are much quiter in general but I've seen a horrible drop in QC from them on their 500GB+ drives |
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| 04:33.32 | pickcoder | 1 out of like 4 I get dies in 1-6 months |
| 04:35.35 | Psi-Jack | Now, I just need to figure out how to get virtualmin to make new virtual server users in the uid 2000+ range instead of the 1000+ range, and run make -C /var/yp/Makefile afterwards. ;) |
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| 04:39.02 | khaije|amalt | is there a way to have aptitude go with the defaults in installation pop-up prompts? I'm trying to script it's use to upgrade to sid in vm's |
| 04:40.04 | dondelelcaro | khaije|amalt: DEBIAN_FRONTEND="noninteractive"; man debconf |
| 04:40.22 | khaije|amalt | i'll check that out, thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 04:44.30 | khaije|amalt | dondelelcaro: so setting the interface is enough to make it go with the defaults or do i need to specify a --priority <value> also ? |
| 04:45.19 | gaintsura | gimbal: seems to be no resolution in sight :( |
| 04:45.25 | dondelelcaro | khaije|amalt: it's enough. |
| 04:45.47 | dondelelcaro | khaije|amalt: man 7 debconf; explains it and even answers your question |
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| 04:47.15 | gimbal | gaintsura: well, I'd guessing there would be a resolution for it available, you'll just have to figure it out for yourself, whereas it is for your own linux system ^-^ |
| 04:47.32 | khaije|amalt | @amalthea:~$ man 7 debconf |
| 04:47.33 | khaije|amalt | No manual entry for debconf in section 7 |
| 04:47.36 | gimbal | i mean, that's not exactly something I can do for you, there |
| 04:47.40 | ichigogo | pick: nothing |
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| 04:48.04 | khaije|amalt | dondelelcaro: i only have debconf in section 1 it seems... ^^ |
| 04:48.25 | gaintsura | gimbal: right, just weird that a problem like this isn't very well known or resolved |
| 04:51.52 | dondelelcaro | khaije|amalt: well, it's available online... |
| 04:52.39 | gaintsura | I can use dd to make an ISO right? |
| 04:52.45 | khaije|amalt | dondelelcaro: cheers thx |
| 04:52.56 | gaintsura | dd if=/dev/hdg of=/storage/CDImages/myISo.iso |
| 04:52.58 | gaintsura | ? |
| 04:53.22 | Psi-Jack | gaintsura: Is hdg a CDROM drive? |
| 04:53.41 | gaintsura | yes |
| 04:54.59 | gaintsura | Psi-Jack: ^^ |
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| 04:55.24 | Psi-Jack | Then yes. |
| 04:55.33 | gaintsura | :) |
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| 04:55.59 | gaintsura | aww thats no good |
| 04:57.07 | gaintsura | hm, this could be bad |
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| 05:01.46 | Psi-Jack | gaintsura: Still waiting for what could be bad. :p |
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| 05:02.08 | gaintsura | Psi-Jack: Read Error, the cd is bad, and this was the only copy of that software I had |
| 05:02.27 | Psi-Jack | CD is bad, or the drive itself? |
| 05:02.31 | gaintsura | and I told a client I had the software |
| 05:02.38 | gaintsura | Psi-Jack: its the CD, I'm making an image from my server |
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| 05:02.57 | gaintsura | dd: reading `/dev/hdg': Input/output error |
| 05:02.57 | gaintsura | 2272+0 records in |
| 05:02.57 | gaintsura | 2272+0 records out |
| 05:02.57 | gaintsura | 1163264 bytes (1.2 MB) copied, 9.73522 s, 119 kB/s |
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| 05:02.58 | Psi-Jack | Just because it's a server doesn't mean it's perfect. ;) |
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| 05:03.07 | gaintsura | oops |
| 05:03.13 | gaintsura | meant to put that on one line |
| 05:03.34 | PovAddict | if I download a source package (apt-get source foobar), and compile it, how do I install it afterwards? with deps resolution and all |
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| 05:04.55 | unop | PovAddict, well if it built alright, then it should need no dependencies (ideally) |
| 05:05.40 | PovAddict | ah, build-dep gets runtime dependencies as well? |
| 05:06.15 | unop | PovAddict, no, just build dependencies - headers, libraries, that kind of thing |
| 05:06.30 | PovAddict | then who will install the runtime dependencies? :) |
| 05:06.49 | simonrvn_ | they usually get installed as well |
| 05:06.50 | gaintsura | ok, then I'm on to my next step, what the heck would a software be called that manages work orders and time sheets, etc? |
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| 05:07.41 | PovAddict | usually libfoo-dev depends on libfoo, so if foo build-depends on libfoo-dev, apt-get build-dep foo will get the runtime dependency libfoo |
| 05:07.45 | PovAddict | but that's not always the case |
| 05:07.50 | PovAddict | a program may depend on another program for example |
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| 05:09.19 | macrobat | PovAddict: if you build a .deb you can install it via dpkg -i |
| 05:09.38 | PovAddict | but will that get its runtime deps? |
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| 05:09.46 | macrobat | i guess you will get an error msg if it doersnt install |
| 05:10.24 | macrobat | i dont think you can install stuff without its dependencies |
| 05:10.32 | PovAddict | no, you can't |
| 05:10.34 | PovAddict | it'll error out |
| 05:10.51 | PovAddict | but it won't install the deps automatically; dpkg doesn't do that, only apt does |
| 05:11.26 | macrobat | it will tell you what it wants, i hope :) |
| 05:11.32 | PovAddict | ok... what if I have all deps |
| 05:11.53 | PovAddict | but I already have the program, installed from a binary package from a repository |
| 05:12.07 | PovAddict | I guess I'd have to change the version number of mine before building and installing, right? |
| 05:12.25 | enouf | !package basics |
| 05:12.25 | dpkg | somebody said package basics was The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 05:12.55 | enouf | yeah, dch will/should help with that |
| 05:13.31 | enouf | install the devscripts pkg at the least, and dh packages ..and build-essential .. and |
| 05:13.38 | enouf | any needed -dev pkgs |
| 05:13.43 | ajavid | hi |
| 05:13.46 | ajavid | 220 swoopo.podzone.org ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) |
| 05:13.51 | enouf | ajavid: aloha |
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| 05:13.54 | ajavid | mail from: ajavid@swoopo.podzone.org |
| 05:13.55 | ajavid | 250 2.1.0 Ok |
| 05:13.58 | PovAddict | weee |
| 05:14.01 | ajavid | rcpt to: bungnugget@gmail.com |
| 05:14.02 | ajavid | 554 5.7.1 <bungnugget@gmail.com>: Relay access denied |
| 05:14.04 | PovAddict | 45MB of build deps to install :D |
| 05:14.04 | ajavid | whats up? |
| 05:14.07 | ajavid | why? |
| 05:14.15 | ajavid | why won't it relay? |
| 05:14.17 | enouf | ajavid: ease up man - or learn xargs echo :-P |
| 05:14.19 | ajavid | I thought I configured postfix to relay stuff |
| 05:14.21 | ajavid | argh! |
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| 05:15.11 | enouf | ajavid: you have a permissions issue methinks |
| 05:16.50 | father0fnine | *stretch* |
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| 05:19.20 | father0fnine | ok I'm back for help with X...... I upgraded from etch to current stable and I'm having problems getting X to work. When starting X, there is a message about "failed to load module mouse module does not exist". It doesn't appear to be the kernel module but an X module that's "missing" |
| 05:19.58 | PovAddict | yes, that does sound like an X module |
| 05:20.04 | enouf | father0fnine: that'd be mouse_drv.so |
| 05:20.19 | enouf | father0fnine: is xserver-xorg-input-all installed? |
| 05:20.27 | father0fnine | PovAddict|enouf: what package? |
| 05:20.33 | PovAddict | do you have xserver-xorg-input-mouse? |
| 05:20.47 | father0fnine | enouf: will check. I've been doing "apt-get upgrade" basicly to get from A to B |
| 05:21.15 | enouf | haveyou done dist-upgrade yet? |
| 05:21.41 | enouf | !tell father0fnine -about etch->lenny |
| 05:21.53 | father0fnine | oh... I forgot about dist-upgrade... |
| 05:22.20 | father0fnine | enouf: been tring to /msg dpkg but "he's" not been responding. |
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| 05:23.43 | enouf | father0fnine: are you registered and identified to chanserv? |
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| 05:23.56 | father0fnine | enouf: Nope |
| 05:24.20 | PovAddict | I thought the unidentified-cant-/msg-identified thing was removed |
| 05:24.27 | father0fnine | enouf: I was lucky I remembered how to find this place ;) |
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| 05:24.58 | {g} | Hey People! Using bash, I want to remove everything before the first and after the second whitespace from a string: echo "some noise beer" | magic... should result in "some beer". any ideas? |
| 05:25.29 | PovAddict | sed |
| 05:25.49 | enouf | echo "some noise beer" | awk '{ print$1,$3}' |
| 05:25.52 | enouf | heh |
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| 05:25.58 | {g} | yeah! |
| 05:25.59 | {g} | thanks |
| 05:26.17 | PovAddict | oh, I thought he wanted first and last |
| 05:26.39 | PovAddict | echo "some noise beer" | cut -d' ' -f1,3 |
| 05:26.41 | PovAddict | :) |
| 05:26.42 | enouf | yeah, a bit tougher using awk to do that, cut or sed for that |
| 05:27.04 | PovAddict | well, I know nothing about awk |
| 05:27.04 | PovAddict | :) |
| 05:27.31 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi all o/, I have virtualized debian to run with apache for development purpposes, I want to connect to xdebug from anywhere (I will provide this virtualmachine to my partners and don't want to bother them with setup tasks ... just plug an play :P ) but it's only accepting connections from localhost ... someone has an idea on how can I setup remote_host xdebug's parameter to accept connections from anywhere? |
| 05:27.41 | father0fnine | FYI all, the xserver-.*-input-all worked. Thanks! |
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| 05:28.58 | enouf | echo "some noise beer foo bar" | cut -d' ' -f1- .. not right ... |
| 05:29.13 | {g} | can it tell awk to discard all lines but the first? like head -n 1? |
| 05:29.19 | voipzapper | enouf: hey |
| 05:29.21 | enouf | i'd hate to have to add another cut ... |
| 05:29.27 | enouf | voipzapper: hey |
| 05:29.51 | enouf | {g}: huh? |
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| 05:33.33 | enouf | ~$ echo "some noise beer foo bar" | cut -d' ' -f1,3- |
| 05:33.39 | enouf | there we go |
| 05:33.48 | enouf | some beer foo bar |
| 05:34.00 | enouf | {g}: any help? |
| 05:34.05 | TheCoffeMaker | mmm why I allways have a hard question ... I feel like asking the ultimate question and having 42 as answer :P |
| 05:34.21 | PovAddict | TheCoffeMaker: I have never heard of xdebug |
| 05:34.25 | PovAddict | so there |
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| 05:35.12 | TheCoffeMaker | PovAddict, it's a PHP module for remote debuging |
| 05:35.36 | enouf | TheCoffeMaker: maybe ssh -X is what's needed/wanted? |
| 05:35.44 | enouf | !sshx |
| 05:35.44 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 05:35.48 | PovAddict | then I'm not sure if that question is appropriate in this channel; not even sure if it'd be in ##php |
| 05:36.06 | PovAddict | enouf: I don't think xdebug has anything to do with X11 |
| 05:36.21 | enouf | or x11vnc and such? hrm? |
| 05:36.32 | enouf | judd: info xdebug |
| 05:36.44 | enouf | judd: wake up! :-p |
| 05:36.45 | judd | enouf: Error: "wake" is not a valid command. |
| 05:37.03 | PovAddict | judd: info php5-xdebug |
| 05:37.03 | judd | PovAddict: php5-xdebug (devel): is optional; Version: 2.0.3-1; Size: 214.1k; Installed: 632k -- Xdebug Module for PHP 5 |
| 05:37.19 | TheCoffeMaker | nop nothing to do with x11 :P |
| 05:37.23 | TheCoffeMaker | hehhe |
| 05:37.29 | enouf | what is the X there for if not X related? |
| 05:37.43 | TheCoffeMaker | eXtreme? |
| 05:37.48 | TheCoffeMaker | heheh just kidding :P |
| 05:37.51 | enouf | why not ... o M G! .. wha! |
| 05:38.03 | PovAddict | enouf: do you ask Apple about Xcode's relationship with x11 too? :) |
| 05:38.04 | TheCoffeMaker | really don't know |
| 05:38.07 | enouf | php5-debug sounds plausible enough |
| 05:38.28 | khaije|amalt | whats the best way to force a couple mounts to wait until modules and services are all loaded first...? |
| 05:38.42 | enouf | Homepage: http://xdebug.org/ |
| 05:38.42 | enouf | Tag: devel::{debugger,lang:php,testing-qa}, implemented-in::c, interface::daemon, role::program, scope::application, use::{analysing,checking,monitor} |
| 05:38.55 | PovAddict | ooh tags |
| 05:39.20 | PovAddict | considers upgrading his machine to Debian |
| 05:39.28 | TheCoffeMaker | well don't worry guys ... I will ask in ##php ... just tried here first |
| 05:39.34 | enouf | khaije|amalt: from wheere? |
| 05:39.54 | TheCoffeMaker | thanks for all :) and remember ... only correct questions have correct answers :P |
| 05:40.52 | enouf | !debtags |
| 05:40.52 | dpkg | i heard debtags is http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags |
| 05:41.07 | khaije|amalt | enouf: idk what you mean, i want to mount a couple virtual dirs (using vbox) but normal system mounts are before the required modules are loaded, so i want them to load on boot... just later in the process |
| 05:41.36 | khaije|amalt | do i need to do a custom init.d hack or is there a better way? |
| 05:41.38 | enouf | khaije|amalt: add your mount commands to rc.local? or gnome-session? |
| 05:41.43 | enouf | no' |
| 05:41.55 | PovAddict | debtags rock |
| 05:41.57 | khaije|amalt | okeedoke :) |
| 05:42.02 | enouf | are thewy listed in /etc/fstab ? |
| 05:42.04 | PovAddict | I'm in Ubuntu, and I see tags are quite lacking |
| 05:42.10 | enouf | how are they being mounted khaije|amalt ? |
| 05:42.11 | khaije|amalt | enouf: ya |
| 05:42.13 | enouf | automounter? |
| 05:42.18 | PovAddict | like, few packages are tagged |
| 05:42.31 | khaije|amalt | enouf: they are in fstabs |
| 05:42.53 | enouf | i don't know offhand of a sleep option for mount - though rootdelay= works for / FS |
| 05:43.02 | TheCoffeMaker | khaije|amalt, I think that making a little script and later calling it from rc.local as enouf wrote is the best way |
| 05:43.04 | enouf | (kernel param) |
| 05:43.47 | enouf | khaije|amalt: what is actually doing the mounting though - and why aren't the proper modules already loaded? using /etc/modules? |
| 05:43.53 | PovAddict | how do I get a disk UUID? |
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| 05:43.56 | PovAddict | to add to fstab |
| 05:44.00 | khaije|amalt | ya, ok, imho the vbox devs should just allow a "_netdev"-like mount option and make everybody happy |
| 05:44.00 | enouf | PovAddict: blkid |
| 05:44.17 | enouf | PovAddict: or even file -s /dev/hdaX |
| 05:44.25 | PovAddict | :o |
| 05:44.33 | enouf | PovAddict: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid :-) |
| 05:45.18 | khaije|amalt | good question enouf, if i add the modules to modules.conf will they be pulled in sooner in the boot process? |
| 05:45.20 | PovAddict | wtf, my secondary hard disk apparently has a Windows XP MBR |
| 05:45.43 | PovAddict | it doesn't even have any OS in it! |
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| 05:46.03 | enouf | khaije|amalt: leave any/all /etc/modules.conf out of this, and mv it out of the way (Debian uses /etc/modprobe.d/*) |
| 05:46.42 | enouf | khaije|amalt: for blacklisting, and loading specific module params |
| 05:47.06 | khaije|amalt | enouf: i know, but how does that relate? |
| 05:47.10 | enouf | khaije|amalt: rgrep '/etc/modules' /etc/init.d/ |
| 05:47.53 | enouf | ~$ rgrep -l '/etc/modules' /etc/init.d/ | xargs grep modprobe |
| 05:48.36 | khaije|amalt | ? i think yr xargs cancells out your last grep |
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| 05:50.57 | enouf | nah - BUT - i seem to have some older leftover things here |
| 05:51.56 | enouf | ~$ rgrep 'modprobe' /etc/init.d/ if you like :-p |
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| 05:53.21 | enouf | khaije|amalt: you _could_ list needed modules in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and update-initramfs (MAKE A BACKUP initrd PRIOR) |
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| 05:53.53 | enouf | khaije|amalt: you might need /hooks and other things other than just listing them there |
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| 05:54.16 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.51 | khaije|amalt | enouf: fair enough, thats a little over my head though... hittin' up init.d is probably more my speed :D |
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| 05:58.14 | PovAddict | I can install Debian in a VM in few minutes, having an apt-proxy in the host machine |
| 05:58.57 | PovAddict | but I still have to answer too many things |
| 05:59.11 | ajavid | I am using debian and radeon on X1900 XT w/ xorg 7.4. http://paste.debian.net/45264/ <-- xorg.conf, http://paste.debian.net/45263/ <-- Xorg.0.log, http://paste.debian.net/45265/ <- output of xrandr. The problem is that I can't get my native 1680x1050 resolution. I've tried everything I know of, all the settings are correct, afaict. Please advise, I'm desperate. |
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| 06:00.36 | enouf | !tell PovAddict -about fai |
| 06:00.48 | PovAddict | enouf++ |
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| 06:01.07 | gce | if I create a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d containing a debian repository shouldn't an aptitude update cause it to be parsed ? |
| 06:01.12 | PovAddict | just building acustom CD would be enough for me |
| 06:01.16 | PovAddict | gce: what is the file called? |
| 06:01.17 | enouf | ajavid: didn't you have that working once? |
| 06:01.26 | gce | backport_lenny |
| 06:01.27 | enouf | !cdd |
| 06:01.27 | dpkg | hmm... cdd is "Custom Debian Distribution", see http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian and http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD These have been renamed "Debian Pure Blends". |
| 06:01.30 | PovAddict | gce: I have found that it has to end in .list to work |
| 06:01.36 | gce | ah |
| 06:01.38 | ajavid | lines 483-486 |
| 06:01.45 | gce | let me try that |
| 06:01.54 | ajavid | enouf, yes it works, on VGA/D-SUB |
| 06:02.00 | ajavid | as soon as I switch to DVI, this happens |
| 06:02.05 | enouf | and? ..hah! |
| 06:02.16 | enouf | maybe some xrandr option? |
| 06:02.18 | ajavid | (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1680x1050" (monitor doesn't support reduced blanking) |
| 06:02.25 | enouf | -lvds ? |
| 06:02.35 | enouf | maybe your card sucks |
| 06:02.37 | enouf | :-P |
| 06:02.48 | enouf | ajavid: asked in #radeon? |
| 06:03.01 | PovAddict | I just want a CD with the installer questions pre-answered :) |
| 06:03.09 | gce | PovAddict: Thanks ! that fixed it |
| 06:03.20 | PovAddict | reading your links now, enouf |
| 06:03.21 | ajavid | enouf, yup |
| 06:03.24 | PovAddict | gce: I had that problem just today |
| 06:03.34 | PovAddict | I wanted to use .ppa extension for Ubuntu PPAs |
| 06:03.39 | enouf | PovAddict: then look at something like bootcd to clone your live system or #debian-live maybe - dunno |
| 06:03.46 | enouf | er .. |
| 06:04.02 | PovAddict | preseed! that's it |
| 06:04.06 | enouf | yep |
| 06:04.40 | enouf | ajavid: how about #debian-x? |
| 06:05.03 | ajavid | DVI-1 disconnected 1400x1050+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm |
| 06:05.06 | ajavid | DVI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
| 06:05.07 | ajavid | it shows both as d/c |
| 06:05.09 | ajavid | wtf... |
| 06:05.16 | ajavid | I'm in X right now, just with the wrong res. |
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| 06:05.27 | PovAddict | I don't have that problem |
| 06:05.29 | PovAddict | unfortunately... |
| 06:05.38 | PovAddict | my monitor doesn't support DVI :( |
| 06:05.53 | enouf | mine does - i should try it someday |
| 06:06.13 | enouf | but not when DVI cables cost 5000$ :-P |
| 06:06.50 | PovAddict | http://hands.com/d-i/ heh, nice warning |
| 06:06.56 | enouf | ajavid: ~$ if [ ! -x /proc/pci ]; then lspci | grep VGA ; fi ; cat /proc/cpuinfo | egrep "model name|MHz" ; xdpyinfo | egrep "version:|dimensions|depth of" ; glxinfo | egrep -A2 "direct rendering|OpenGL vendor" ; uname -sr |
| 06:07.55 | enouf | PovAddict: the Installation Guide has some nice details too - wiki.debian.org/ Preseed or whatever |
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| 06:12.16 | ajavid | I switched to DVI-0 (instead of 1) physical port, and now it has a good resolution |
| 06:12.30 | enouf | well, duh |
| 06:12.34 | ajavid | DVI-1 disconnected 1680x1050+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm |
| 06:12.40 | ajavid | it still shows as diconnected |
| 06:12.48 | ajavid | I suppose my DVI-0 port is bad |
| 06:13.05 | enouf | or just not ... straced :-P |
| 06:13.05 | ajavid | let me try hooking up a dvi to dsub and hook up a older lcd thats not HDMI |
| 06:13.13 | ajavid | lets see what happens |
| 06:13.34 | enouf | your card wouldn't even allow DualDVI in windows likely |
| 06:13.45 | ajavid | I wouldn't know |
| 06:13.50 | ajavid | I don't window |
| 06:13.54 | enouf | and .. do you have the correct DVI-* cable? |
| 06:14.02 | ajavid | no I have the incorrect one |
| 06:14.16 | enouf | !redmondsmite ajavid |
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| 06:16.05 | PovAddict | ? |
| 06:16.29 | PovAddict | !redmondsmite |
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| 06:33.04 | enouf | bah - the fucker was asking in multiple channels at the same time |
| 06:33.34 | Psi-Jack | So? |
| 06:33.39 | PovAddict | who |
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| 06:34.14 | Psi-Jack | The beautiful thing about IRC is, it's not just one resource of information. It's multiple channels of it. |
| 06:34.40 | PovAddict | and most of them are in freenode :) |
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| 06:35.56 | Without | hi how to protect my server from ddos? |
| 06:36.07 | Without | seems there's a large connection connected to my server |
| 06:36.19 | Psi-Jack | Without: Firewall. |
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| 06:36.41 | Without | Psi-Jack: can introduce me firewall? |
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| 06:37.50 | Psi-Jack | Hmm |
| 06:37.57 | PovAddict | if it's a bandwidth ddos, you're screwed |
| 06:38.05 | Psi-Jack | Without: Nope, sorry. Google will tell you about iptables. |
| 06:38.13 | anwoke8204 | Hi, how easy is it to integrate snort and clamav I have a firewall/vpn server on my network and I want to combine snort and clamav so that it will scan all incomming internet traffic for viruses before getting onto the local net |
| 06:38.29 | PovAddict | if your network is seriously flooded, filtering out bad packets won't help in letting the good packets in |
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| 06:38.54 | Psi-Jack | PovAddict: It helps, a bit, to not respond to them, dropping them, but beyond that, yeah. |
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| 06:39.20 | Psi-Jack | Bleh. |
| 06:39.26 | Psi-Jack | NIS netgroup's are annoying. |
| 06:39.32 | PovAddict | the only way to stop such an attack is filtering somewhere else |
| 06:39.34 | PovAddict | with a bigger pipe |
| 06:39.36 | PovAddict | before it reaches you |
| 06:39.36 | Psi-Jack | Why can't I just base it off of the group membership of the user. |
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| 06:40.01 | Without | Psi-Jack: my debian doesn't have iptables filter.. |
| 06:40.05 | Without | that's y i got problem with it |
| 06:40.08 | anwoke8204 | or is thre a better way to configure that |
| 06:40.23 | Psi-Jack | apt-get install iptables then. |
| 06:40.46 | Without | http://www.netfilter.org/ <= this 1 right? |
| 06:40.52 | khaije|amalt | i want to do x-forwarding from my headless server to my desktop, does my server need any packages to do this? |
| 06:40.53 | Psi-Jack | No |
| 06:40.58 | Psi-Jack | I said it once already. |
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| 06:41.58 | Without | as i said there's no filter in iptables even i've done apt-get install iptables |
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| 06:42.18 | Psi-Jack | What version of Debian are you using? |
| 06:43.02 | Without | debian lenny 5.0 |
| 06:43.13 | Psi-Jack | Then I call bull on you. |
| 06:43.57 | Without | .. |
| 06:44.02 | PovAddict | "no filter in iptables"? explain |
| 06:44.07 | Without | yes |
| 06:44.11 | Without | there's no filter kernel in it |
| 06:44.18 | PovAddict | I believe iptables comes with no filters by default |
| 06:44.27 | Without | my provider din't install for me |
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| 06:44.38 | PovAddict | run "iptables -L" |
| 06:44.49 | Psi-Jack | It's obvious he has NO idea what he's talking about. LOL |
| 06:46.14 | Without | http://www.pastebin.org/13057 |
| 06:46.18 | johnakabean | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.45 | PovAddict | Without: then it works |
| 06:46.56 | Psi-Jack | Yeah. Looks exactly like an empty iptables ruleset. |
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| 06:47.55 | johnakabean | Without, I have a SOLID firewall if you want help making one |
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| 06:48.39 | maour | i read in a book that "We need to modify the /var/lib/pgsql/data/postgresql.conf file in order to allow this software to make IP connections to the database." , but i don't have this path on my debian system with portgresql 8.3 |
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| 06:48.44 | johnakabean | yeah, without, you need netfilter, I use it. |
| 06:48.45 | Psi-Jack | That's simple enough. shorewall rules. ;) |
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| 06:48.59 | MBTA4 | DEBIAN SUCKS |
| 06:49.01 | MBTA4 | BAN ME |
| 06:49.04 | johnakabean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:49.15 | PovAddict | johnakabean: you configure your bootloader to do so |
| 06:49.28 | anwoke8204 | Hi, how easy is it to integrate snort and clamav I have a firewall/vpn server on my network and I want to combine snort and clamav so that it will scan all incomming internet traffic for viruses before getting onto the local net |
| 06:49.40 | histo | hopefully someone can help me I moved a bunch of files with a script I wrote that aparently had errors in it. All the files got moved to a ? file in a directory so each one overwrote the other as it went. Is there any chance of recovering the files? |
| 06:49.53 | johnakabean | I understand I need to make a flash or ram drive but what tool do I use and how to get it..........can you point me to a "howto"? |
| 06:50.08 | PovAddict | histo: no, I don't think so |
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| 06:50.22 | johnakabean | I was using a howto that was out of date and the tool needed can't be found by aptitude |
| 06:50.22 | PovAddict | johnakabean: oh, your system now doesn't boot? |
| 06:50.27 | johnakabean | it boots |
| 06:50.31 | johnakabean | but into the old kernel |
| 06:50.45 | PovAddict | then boot into the old kernel, start a text editor, and change your bootloader configuration :) |
| 06:50.54 | johnakabean | but change it to what? |
| 06:51.01 | PovAddict | no idea what you mean with a "flash or ram drive" |
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| 06:51.18 | johnakabean | from what i understand, grub loads an .img file |
| 06:51.24 | johnakabean | and I need to make it somehow |
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| 06:51.46 | histo | ugh |
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| 06:51.48 | histo | not good |
| 06:51.50 | PovAddict | grub loads a kernel |
| 06:51.51 | Psi-Jack | Edit the menu.lst file. |
| 06:52.01 | Psi-Jack | That's it. |
| 06:52.01 | Psi-Jack | Done |
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| 06:52.29 | johnakabean | where is the menu.1st? |
| 06:52.36 | PovAddict | /boot/ probably |
| 06:52.44 | Psi-Jack | /boot/grub |
| 06:54.26 | johnakabean | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdb1 ro single |
| 06:54.26 | johnakabean | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 06:54.37 | johnakabean | that initrd.img, I dont' have it to change |
| 06:54.54 | johnakabean | i don't have it for the new kernel; I need to make it somehow |
| 06:54.56 | gce | histo: the following link has a howto on recovering deleted files - http://www.hackitlinux.com/offsite.php/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.xs4all.nl%252F%257Ecarlo17%252Fhowto%252Fundelete_ext3.html&src=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.hackitlinux.com%252F50226711%252Fwho_says_there_is_no_undelete_in_linux.php |
| 06:55.24 | PovAddict | or skip the stupid frame and use http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 06:55.25 | Psi-Jack | johnakabean: If you didn't remake a new initrd, then omit it, but you may not be able to boot, unless everything you needed was compiled natively into the kernel. |
| 06:55.51 | johnakabean | I loaded the config from the current kernel, jack |
| 06:56.00 | johnakabean | when doing 'make menuselect' |
| 06:56.13 | Psi-Jack | Okay. Same thing I JUST SAID, applies. :p0 |
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| 06:57.00 | PovAddict | histo: start by remounting the filesystem as read-only as soon as possible |
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| 06:57.12 | PovAddict | each byte that gets written to the disk lowers your chance of getting stuff back |
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| 06:57.57 | Psi-Jack | Bleh, anyway, I'm heading to sleep. |
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| 07:00.02 | enouf | johnakabean: did you use make-kpkg or what? |
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| 07:01.58 | gce | just installed debian lenny with lxde to an older laptop ... nice and peppy |
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| 07:14.19 | debian_d | what's the command to restart network service? |
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| 07:14.59 | debian_d | what's the command to restart network service? |
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| 07:15.57 | frangor | hi |
| 07:16.20 | debian_d | what's the command to restart network service? |
| 07:16.50 | enouf | debian_d: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 07:16.59 | frangor | any have debian sid i386 + nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx with m-a? |
| 07:17.11 | enouf | frangor: i have in the past |
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| 07:18.32 | enouf | might've been a .26 or .28 kernel at that time though |
| 07:18.53 | enouf | why? |
| 07:19.43 | frangor | i have problems with m-a, linux 2.6.30 and nvidia-legacy |
| 07:20.49 | enouf | 20:22 <debian_d> why doesn't it work? "sudo service networking restart" <=== NO! |
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| 07:21.25 | enouf | debian_d: make a symlink to something silly if you like - or alias or function() it |
| 07:21.56 | frangor | nopaste /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source.buildlog.2.6.30-1-686.1251529712 |
| 07:21.56 | frangor | http://pastie.org/598623 |
| 07:21.58 | debian_d | enouf: But in ubuntu "sudo service networking restart" works. |
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| 07:22.26 | debian_d | enouf: how to know about running service in debian lenny? |
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| 07:22.33 | enouf | do you even know what channel yuo're in |
| 07:22.34 | enouf | ? |
| 07:23.02 | debian_d | enouf: yes |
| 07:23.08 | enouf | debian_d: maybe we should have REGEDIT too? |
| 07:23.24 | debian_d | enouf: is there anything like "service" in debian lenny? |
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| 07:23.44 | enouf | 20:24 <enouf> not that i know of - no |
| 07:23.47 | debian_d | enouf: man service , nothing happens |
| 07:24.02 | enouf | good |
| 07:24.14 | enouf | and it better stay that way |
| 07:25.00 | debian_d | enouf: is it correct ? "sudo aptitude install rar" |
| 07:25.30 | enouf | maybe |
| 07:25.46 | enouf | depends which rar you mean i guess |
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| 07:25.56 | enouf | and if sudoers is setup |
| 07:26.16 | debian_d | enouf: i want to extract <file.rar> file |
| 07:26.20 | enouf | !search |
| 07:26.20 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 07:26.28 | enouf | !unrar |
| 07:26.28 | dpkg | [rar] Roshal ARchive, a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive format ever. To extract RAR3 files (the most common archive version), use either the "rar" or "unrar" programs in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 files. Install the 'rar' package to create RAR files. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
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| 07:28.29 | Without | how to check my iptables filter is installed ? |
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| 07:30.41 | enouf | iptables -L ? |
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| 07:44.14 | crzedmonk | hey |
| 07:44.28 | crzedmonk | how do you make dvd's play in linux? |
| 07:44.58 | omid8bimo | crzedmonk: try vlc or totem |
| 07:45.04 | crzedmonk | hmm |
| 07:45.09 | omid8bimo | crzedmonk: mostly they have needed codecs |
| 07:45.09 | crzedmonk | must be hard ware |
| 07:45.12 | crzedmonk | they all hate it |
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| 08:11.36 | leejongwook | hi |
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| 08:14.13 | leejongwook | hi |
| 08:14.49 | leejongwook | fosco, hi :) |
| 08:15.26 | leejongwook | hiroyuki_y, japanese ? |
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| 08:16.52 | leejongwook | hi |
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| 08:19.14 | leejongwook | hi |
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| 08:19.23 | leejongwook | hi |
| 08:19.39 | KING | HI TUANTUB |
| 08:19.49 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 08:20.05 | KING | HI LEEJONGWOOK |
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| 08:20.10 | leejongwook | hi :) |
| 08:20.27 | KING | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.35 | leejongwook | lion king ? |
| 08:21.07 | leejongwook | lion king = tarzan |
| 08:21.10 | KING | NO I AM KING OF KINGS |
| 08:21.21 | KING | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.38 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 08:21.48 | leejongwook | burger king :P |
| 08:21.52 | KING | WAT IS @_@ |
| 08:21.57 | leejongwook | my eyes |
| 08:22.13 | KING | O DO U WER SPECS |
| 08:22.23 | leejongwook | specs ? |
| 08:22.34 | leejongwook | yes |
| 08:22.48 | leejongwook | :) you don't ? |
| 08:23.02 | KING | I AM THE POWERFUL KING IN THIS WOLLD |
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| 08:23.14 | KING | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.22 | leejongwook | hi |
| 08:23.25 | leejongwook | :P |
| 08:23.36 | KING | :BD |
| 08:23.40 | KING | :-BD |
| 08:23.42 | leejongwook | do you have mucho money then ? |
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| 08:23.50 | leejongwook | donate me some |
| 08:23.50 | KING | YA |
| 08:23.51 | leejongwook | hi |
| 08:24.26 | KING | GIVE YOUR CREDIT CARD ACCOUNT NO AND EPRIDATE |
| 08:24.36 | leejongwook | donate some girls too :P |
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| 08:24.50 | cousin_mario | hello |
| 08:24.51 | liable | huys, stop it please |
| 08:24.53 | leejongwook | hi |
| 08:24.55 | KING | YA I TOO LIKE PORN |
| 08:24.56 | leejongwook | :) |
| 08:25.06 | KING | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.28 | cousin_mario | at what point during the boot will 'hostname' give the correct output? |
| 08:25.56 | liable | about half way through. why? |
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| 08:26.47 | KING | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:27.14 | KING | HI JUNK |
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| 08:27.26 | junk | ello |
| 08:27.46 | leejongwook | hi :) |
| 08:27.47 | junk | any oppers here? |
| 08:28.09 | liable | why? onjoin spam? |
| 08:28.12 | junk | KreMa is pming me on*join* with a link to free porn videos =.=' |
| 08:28.18 | junk | ffs |
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| 08:28.26 | junk | like i don't know where to get them =.=' |
| 08:28.36 | junk | and it's turkish +o( |
| 08:28.37 | liable | !ops KreMa onjoin spam |
| 08:28.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: KreMa onjoin spam |
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| 08:28.56 | junk | !ops KreMa onjoin spam |
| 08:28.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: junk complains about: KreMa onjoin spam |
| 08:28.59 | liable | almost always is. he's a persistant bastard |
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| 08:29.21 | liable | junk: no need to do it twice, wont make them come any quicker :P |
| 08:29.27 | junk | oh xD |
| 08:29.34 | junk | i thought that numbers would be effective xD |
| 08:30.04 | junk | but now i get it xD |
| 08:30.05 | liable | nah, that call just highlights them, if they're awake, they do something |
| 08:30.16 | cousin_mario | liable: I'm trying to set motd and having the hostname defined only in one place: after what should I run my script? |
| 08:30.37 | liable | thanks ircop |
| 08:30.39 | Zap-W | <KreMa> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 08:30.43 | junk | ^^ ty ^^ |
| 08:30.45 | Zap-W | hmm |
| 08:30.46 | Zap-W | nm |
| 08:31.06 | liable | cousin_mario: you are setting motd, in /etc/motd? |
| 08:31.11 | cousin_mario | liable: yes |
| 08:31.19 | liable | and whats the problem again? |
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| 08:32.16 | cousin_mario | liable: I'd like to be able to have the hostname in it, set automatically |
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| 08:32.55 | cousin_mario | liable: only hostname returns null when it's launched via an init script |
| 08:33.26 | liable | hmm, my motd has my hostname in it. |
| 08:33.36 | cousin_mario | how is it set? |
| 08:33.52 | liable | i don't know, sec, its a link i think |
| 08:33.53 | cousin_mario | liable: please note I'm not using a vanilla debian |
| 08:33.54 | crzedmonk | mmm linux so tasty |
| 08:34.18 | leejongwook | put some hot sauce on |
| 08:34.40 | liable | cousin_mario: look in the init scripts, it must be set there somewhere. my /etc/motd is a link to /var/run/motd |
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| 08:35.06 | liable | leejongwook: if you dont have debian questions or help, please keep it down |
| 08:35.23 | leejongwook | ok |
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| 08:35.56 | leejongwook | going to OFTC#debian, see you all later bye |
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| 08:36.30 | cousin_mario | liable: oh |
| 08:38.51 | cousin_mario | bootmisc.sh |
| 08:38.55 | cousin_mario | bbl |
| 08:38.57 | cousin_mario | thanks |
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| 08:53.22 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:53.22 | dpkg | [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
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| 08:55.00 | rotzbouw | hey |
| 08:55.06 | Speedy059 | I'm trying to install Gnome-desktop-environment and I get this error right after it all: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 08:55.07 | johnakabean | hello |
| 08:55.08 | Speedy059 | any ideas? |
| 08:55.10 | rotzbouw | is this the right place to ask for support on an nfs issue? |
| 08:55.14 | Speedy059 | Debian 5.0 64Bit |
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| 08:55.37 | johnakabean | I'm compiling a kernel; how do I get the headers installed for packages wanting them? |
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| 08:57.12 | cantido | johnakabean: try compiling something else before trying kernels |
| 08:58.15 | johnakabean | I compile everything |
| 08:58.40 | johnakabean | do I just copy the source directory to /usr/src? |
| 08:58.56 | liable | if you are compiling a kernel, then the headers are in the source |
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| 08:59.17 | johnakabean | I realize that, liable |
| 08:59.30 | liable | when you install it, it usually links to them if you do it with make-kpkg |
| 08:59.43 | johnakabean | i'm using make |
| 08:59.45 | johnakabean | make modules |
| 08:59.48 | johnakabean | make install |
| 08:59.52 | cantido | johnakabean: did you read the make-kpkg docs? it tells you how to generate headers packages |
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| 09:00.11 | liable | johnakabean: do you have a link from the /lib/modules dir into the source? |
| 09:00.31 | DDevine | Hey, I just did a fresh install (using LVM) and I cannot access my home partition because it complains of a stale NFS handle. |
| 09:00.42 | DDevine | Any ideas what is happening? |
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| 09:02.11 | johnakabean | i'm reading cantido |
| 09:02.32 | johnakabean | the kernel is still compiling, so, no I don't have a link for /lib/modules or w/e |
| 09:02.51 | cantido | johnakabean: 99.9999% of people don't need to build kernels ;) |
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| 09:03.10 | johnakabean | I'm having an encryption problem, cantido |
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| 09:03.16 | johnakabean | that's why I need a new kernel |
| 09:03.24 | johnakabean | I switched from Centos |
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| 09:03.27 | cantido | johnakabean: a newer version? |
| 09:03.36 | johnakabean | and now I can't unlock my drives encrypted with serpent |
| 09:03.53 | johnakabean | yes, its newere |
| 09:03.58 | cantido | johnakabean: there are backports of more recent kernels for lenny |
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| 09:04.18 | johnakabean | can I use aptitude to get them? |
| 09:04.38 | cantido | johnakabean: yes, you just need to add the source |
| 09:04.48 | johnakabean | please direct me |
| 09:04.56 | cantido | forgets what the backports.org factoid is |
| 09:04.58 | johnakabean | I'm tired of waiting on this thing to finish compiling |
| 09:05.00 | cantido | !b.o |
| 09:05.10 | cantido | mmm maybe not |
| 09:06.02 | cantido | johnakabean: http://backports.org |
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| 09:12.02 | cantido | can anyone suggest an app like minicom but without the really wonky file selection dialogs? |
| 09:12.38 | liable | you want a dialler program, or? |
| 09:12.39 | Zap-W | slaps cantido around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:12.45 | johnakabean | I have the apt source backports.org installed and prioritized but what do I type to upgrade the kernel? |
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| 09:13.05 | cantido | liable: just a serial terminal that can send files with a few different protocols |
| 09:13.20 | johnakabean | this is a common response "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" |
| 09:13.31 | johnakabean | apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade |
| 09:13.35 | liable | cantido: there is only one other i know like mincom, and I can't remember its name atm |
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| 09:14.13 | cantido | at the moment I'm using minicom to interact with a board, put it into download mode, but then minicoms file selection dialogs are so messed up I have to exit and manually send the file :/ |
| 09:14.25 | liable | starts with an s iirc |
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| 09:17.58 | johnakabean | cantido, what am I looking for? using aptitude search linux, there is linux-tree linux-image linux-headers (this is the source I know) linux-image |
| 09:18.13 | cantido | johnakabean: linux-image |
| 09:18.36 | cantido | johnakabean: linux-tree is everything, linux-headers is just the includes |
| 09:19.13 | johnakabean | I did tree |
| 09:19.30 | johnakabean | download 1058kb/x |
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| 09:19.52 | cantido | johnakabean: linux-image will give you a compiled kernel that should just install |
| 09:19.54 | johnakabean | slow, i'm not getting my full T1 i'm paying for |
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| 09:21.15 | angerman | is there a livecd (any) that has sshd enabled by default. I want to setup a head and keyboardless system. |
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| 09:21.31 | johnakabean | I canceled the Tree and am now doing the image |
| 09:21.59 | cantido | angerman: the livecd being the main os? or just for debootsrapping a real install? |
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| 09:22.20 | angerman | cantido: to bootstrap the real install. I just need to ssh to the system to do anything meaningfull |
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| 09:22.52 | angerman | cantido: if there was an iso that would automatically installitself unattended that would be a solution too. |
| 09:22.56 | cantido | angerman: I think damn small linux can have dropbear enabled, I also think there is a debian install over ssh guide somewhere |
| 09:23.53 | RichiH | /lc/cb |
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| 09:28.33 | johnakabean | thanks for your help cantido, i'm using 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 now |
| 09:28.48 | johnakabean | everyone else was telling me to compile a custom kernel |
| 09:29.08 | johnakabean | lets see if it fixed the encryption problem |
| 09:29.15 | cantido | johnakabean: nah, there's usually no need |
| 09:30.10 | Supaplex | dpkg: hi |
| 09:30.11 | dpkg | privet, supaplex |
| 09:30.16 | LeM` | yo |
| 09:32.33 | johnakabean | I think it is my terminal client causing ASCII problems; i'm using putty.......anyone have another suggestion? |
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| 09:32.49 | Shtl | Hello All |
| 09:33.03 | g00se | angerman: afaicr knoppix makes it very easy to start sshd |
| 09:33.25 | angerman | g00se: yes, but that needs a flag during bootup, which won't work without keyboard ... |
| 09:33.32 | johnakabean | i'm on windows, I need a good ssh client |
| 09:33.43 | angerman | johnakabean: putty |
| 09:33.44 | cantido | johnakabean: cygwin has openssh |
| 09:33.53 | johnakabean | I'm using putty; its causing problems |
| 09:33.59 | g00se | angerman: why? |
| 09:34.19 | g00se | angerman: (does it need a flag?) |
| 09:34.22 | cantido | johnakabean: check what $TERM is on the remote machine, for putty it should be xterm AFIAK |
| 09:34.31 | angerman | g00se: it won't start it automatically |
| 09:34.35 | cantido | johnakabean: AFAIK |
| 09:34.49 | Shtl | i have lenny installed machine with 2 NICs, configured as router, i just want to know whether i can able to block inernet to any of my client PCs??? |
| 09:35.10 | cantido | Shtl: iptables can do that |
| 09:35.24 | cantido | Shtl: easier if you use an iptables script like firehol though |
| 09:35.46 | g00se | angerman: Yes i see the point about the keyboard. lh_build will let you do most things |
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| 09:36.18 | Supaplex | dpkg: sleep |
| 09:36.18 | dpkg | sleep is probably for wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk* |
| 09:36.23 | johnakabean | cantido, its still doing the same thing......I change to the grub directory and type "nano menu.1st" for a test and it opens nano with a new file BUT when I copy and paste menu.1st beside nano, it opens menu.1st |
| 09:36.44 | johnakabean | that's telling me its a putty problem |
| 09:36.50 | Supaplex | lol I updated that factoid with the fsck part. :D |
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| 09:37.02 | Shtl | cantido: ok, with iptables, can i able to block only specified sites to specified client machines??? |
| 09:37.03 | johnakabean | I changed it to xterm |
| 09:37.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | its menu.lst |
| 09:37.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | (as in, list) |
| 09:37.12 | johnakabean | yes, sht1 |
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| 09:37.23 | cantido | Shtl: that's slightly different internet != www |
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| 09:37.37 | cantido | Shtl: but there are ways of doing that too |
| 09:37.47 | johnakabean | Sht1, I will help you; i'm a network engineer |
| 09:37.56 | johnakabean | I love iptables |
| 09:38.14 | Shtl | ok fine u please tell me |
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| 09:38.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | sicko |
| 09:38.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | love iptables indeed o_0 |
| 09:38.30 | AL-Hadi | does debian has a tutorial to make as a router / internet gateway ? |
| 09:38.31 | Shtl | johnakabean: plz a moment |
| 09:38.32 | johnakabean | lol |
| 09:38.41 | johnakabean | just let me know what you want to do |
| 09:38.50 | johnakabean | specifically......ports and addresses plese |
| 09:39.01 | Supaplex | uses JUNOS for network engineering |
| 09:39.01 | AL-Hadi | i want to use as my router so all my clients can connect to it and get private ip from debian box |
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| 09:39.21 | johnakabean | AL-Hadi: aptitude install dhcpd |
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| 09:39.43 | AL-Hadi | well i need to make debian as my UTM |
| 09:39.56 | AL-Hadi | so it can block ads, spams and virus |
| 09:40.08 | AL-Hadi | and it can give me reports via email. |
| 09:40.28 | AL-Hadi | i installed debian 5.02 lenny |
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| 09:40.40 | AL-Hadi | i put 2 NIC card inside |
| 09:40.53 | AL-Hadi | one will be etho for internet and etho for lan 192.168.1.x |
| 09:41.03 | AL-Hadi | sorry eth1` |
| 09:41.04 | johnakabean | sorry, AL-Hadi: aptitude install dhcpcd |
| 09:41.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell AL-Hadi about enter |
| 09:41.36 | cantido | AL-Hadi: you need a dhcp server, ipmasq, maybe squid for your filtering bit |
| 09:41.48 | cantido | AL-Hadi: all of this is fairy google'able |
| 09:41.56 | Supaplex | !dansguardian |
| 09:41.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dansguardian is a web filtering (content-based) tool. Available as a Debian package. |
| 09:41.56 | cantido | AL-Hadi: fairly |
| 09:42.05 | AL-Hadi | thx |
| 09:42.22 | AL-Hadi | i want squidguard |
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| 09:42.55 | johnakabean | apt-get install dhcp3-server |
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| 09:43.11 | AL-Hadi | ok |
| 09:43.49 | cantoma | guys, i am getting segmentation fault in my iceweasel (debian lenny) when trying to open some pages with video. Is there a way of debugging it? |
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| 09:45.04 | Supaplex | !gdb |
| 09:45.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gdb is see manual at http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/documentation/ , or run "gdb myprogramname" and when the "gdb" prompt comes up type "run" (or "run arg1 arg2..."). If/when your program receives a fatal signal, type "where" to get a stack trace, and send that to the maintainer. |
| 09:45.21 | Supaplex | you'll need the -dbg packages too (for symbols) |
| 09:45.29 | o2T7 | perhaps `strace iceweasel` give you a hint too |
| 09:46.25 | cantoma | Supaplex, ok i will try gdb iceweasel |
| 09:46.53 | cantoma | Supaplex, i am getting this one iceweasel-dbg |
| 09:46.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | cantoma: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
| 09:47.00 | Supaplex | iceweasel ... has some odd feeding. I think there's something in the shell script about it |
| 09:47.57 | din_os | Hi all, my debian lenny starts with a fatal error about modprobe and hid_dummy IO error. But everything seems to work fine. Should I worry? |
| 09:48.41 | cantoma | Supaplex, am i doing something wrong http://pastebin.com/m6a032f3f ? |
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| 09:49.40 | Shtl | johnakabean: can u help me in setting iptables?? |
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| 09:50.34 | Shtl | i want my client m/cs to block some specified sites |
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| 09:53.17 | cantido | Shtl: when you block sites, people just use proxies and anonymizers to get around the block ;) |
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| 09:55.13 | Shtl | cantido: i used proxy serever, to block site, then client browsers should be configured to access net through proxy, if they bypass it again all sites they can access |
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| 09:56.06 | Shtl | so thats the reason i want to set only in the server, so that no chance to alter the settings |
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| 09:58.08 | cantido | Shtl: yes, then they use one of those anonymizer pages to access blocked content via your proxy |
| 09:59.24 | Shtl | yes, iptables is the solution to overcome this??? |
| 09:59.59 | cantido | Shtl: nope, it's essentially a battle that can't be won |
| 10:00.30 | Supaplex | init 0 can overcome it. |
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| 10:00.43 | Shtl | then what u suggest me to get solution |
| 10:01.17 | cantido | trust? |
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| 10:02.17 | shikamaru | hello there |
| 10:02.34 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.39 | shikamaru | any mpd user here? |
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| 10:04.07 | shikamaru | seems like mpd was compiled without mp3 support |
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| 10:05.11 | shikamaru | do you know how I can get it working with it? |
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| 10:06.09 | shikamaru | got lots of lines with "ffmpeg: failed to open" in the logfile |
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| 10:15.46 | shikamaru | mmmh nevermind, somehow files had 600 permissions instead of 644 so mpd couldn't simply read them |
| 10:15.53 | shikamaru | have a nice day :) |
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| 10:16.40 | Supaplex | cool. that'll be $44 |
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| 10:23.15 | Barrett | hi |
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| 10:24.42 | Barrett | my kernel 2.6.30 don't boot...the error is "no irq handler for vector (irq -1)" |
| 10:24.54 | Barrett | now i'm using an old 2.6.24 |
| 10:25.06 | Barrett | any idea how to solve this trouble? |
| 10:26.17 | Supaplex | regression testing |
| 10:26.46 | Barrett | Supaplex, ? |
| 10:26.52 | Supaplex | try 2.6.27. increment if it keeps working |
| 10:26.55 | Supaplex | !binary search |
| 10:27.02 | Supaplex | dpkg: you scum. |
| 10:27.02 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 10:27.33 | Supaplex | Barrett: what have you done so far, research/troubleshooting wise? |
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| 10:28.20 | Supaplex | 's brain powah now reaches 0.00% - time for a recharge. |
| 10:29.14 | Barrett | Supaplex, i searched in google |
| 10:29.22 | Barrett | but not help |
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| 10:30.47 | Barrett | Supaplex, but...in the debian packages isn't disponible the 2.6.27 kernel |
| 10:30.48 | debian_d | what would be the next version of debian? |
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| 10:31.05 | debian_d | what would be the next version of debian? after lenny |
| 10:31.33 | omid8bimo | debian_d: squeeze |
| 10:31.37 | omid8bimo | debian_d: then sid |
| 10:31.55 | omid8bimo | debian_d: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 |
| 10:32.27 | debian_d | omid8bimo: cat /etc/debian_version 5.0.2 , is it lenny ? |
| 10:32.37 | omid8bimo | debian_d: yup |
| 10:32.55 | omid8bimo | debian_d: 5 is lenny, 6 is squeeze, 7 is sid (i use sid) |
| 10:33.19 | debian_d | omid8bimo: for squeeze it would be debian 6.0, right ? |
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| 10:33.24 | omid8bimo | debian_d: 5.0.2 is lenny second update |
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| 10:33.28 | omid8bimo | debian_d: yes |
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| 10:35.46 | debian_d | omid8bimo: if i run sudo aptitude upgrade , will it upgrade from lenny to sueeze? big difference from 5.0.2 to 6.0 |
| 10:36.03 | omid8bimo | debian_d: no actually |
| 10:36.12 | debian_d | omid8bimo: why? |
| 10:36.16 | omid8bimo | debian_d: u need to update ur repos before doing that |
| 10:36.37 | debian_d | omid8bimo: how can i do that? |
| 10:37.10 | debian_d | omid8bimo: how can i update my repos? |
| 10:37.13 | omid8bimo | debian_d: update /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:38.28 | omid8bimo | debian_d: add a line like this for squezze: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 10:39.11 | omid8bimo | testing = squeeze. packages in testing are newer then lenny |
| 10:39.50 | debian_d | omid8bimo: but squeeze is not stable . right? |
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| 10:40.02 | debian_d | omid8bimo: sid is not stable |
| 10:40.09 | omid8bimo | debian_d: yes, it's testing, so whatever u install is marked as testing |
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| 10:40.35 | omid8bimo | debian_d: sid is unstable, but i'm using it for a long time and i'm fine w/it |
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| 10:41.05 | cantido | omid8bimo: testing/unstable are unstable in that major packages can and do change |
| 10:41.16 | cantido | omid8bimo: sorry that was for debian_d |
| 10:41.41 | cantido | debian_d: a lot of people get on fine with testing/unstable, but you need to be prepared to fix things when they go wrong |
| 10:41.53 | JohannesSM64 | i'm installing debian i386 netinst and it's been stuck at "62% preparing openoffice.org-calc" for 15 minutes |
| 10:41.55 | JohannesSM64 | normal? |
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| 10:42.08 | omid8bimo | cantido: np |
| 10:42.42 | debian_d | omid8bimo: i'm using debian lenny 5.0.2 , but " December 2009" it is the release date of squeeze , lenny is updated from 5.0.1 to 5.0.2 ,but in squeeze why is it 6.0 , after 5.0.2 many counter is missing and sid is 7.0 , so every new release will take a new number like 5>>6>>7>>8 ?? what was the previous version of lenny? what was the number for that? |
| 10:42.48 | d0ubleclick | hello |
| 10:42.50 | omid8bimo | JohannesSM64: no, try to move between terminals and check out that output |
| 10:43.34 | d0ubleclick | could someone take a look at this please and tell me how to find this processes?? |
| 10:43.36 | omid8bimo | debian_d: they usaully are majot numbers |
| 10:43.39 | d0ubleclick | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/371432/nonameproc.png |
| 10:43.54 | cantido | debian_d: sid doesn't have a number because it will never be released |
| 10:44.14 | omid8bimo | debian_d: so updates come as second or third digit |
| 10:44.17 | debian_d | cantido: why? |
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| 10:44.45 | debian_d | omid8bimo: what's "majot numbers"? |
| 10:44.57 | cantido | debian_d: because sid is a testing ground, which gets slowly pulled into testing, which then gets froozen and becomes stable |
| 10:45.15 | omid8bimo | debian_d: previous was etch which was verion 4 |
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| 10:45.50 | omid8bimo | debian_d: oops! sorry! *mojor |
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| 10:46.07 | debian_d | omid8bimo: "oops! sorry! *mojor" ?? |
| 10:46.25 | omid8bimo | debian_d: i meant mojor number |
| 10:47.21 | debian_d | omid8bimo: is it mojor number or major number? |
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| 10:49.58 | JohannesSM64 | omid8bimo: i checked the terminals |
| 10:50.02 | JohannesSM64 | no errors |
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| 10:50.52 | JohannesSM64 | it stopped at "setting up ucf" |
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| 10:55.04 | debian_d | i installed compiz , but if i press SHIFT+ALT+TAB , nothing happens for ring switcher. |
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| 10:58.23 | greenmang0 | debian_d: you might need to enable / configure that effect from compiz configurator |
| 10:59.15 | debian_d | i installed compiz , but if i press SHIFT+ALT+TAB , nothing happens for ring switcher. also installed compizconfig-settings-manager. |
| 10:59.18 | debian_d | greenmang0: i installed compiz , but if i press SHIFT+ALT+TAB , nothing happens for ring switcher. also installed compizconfig-settings-manager. |
| 11:00.05 | omid8bimo | debian_d: ahh man, sorry for mis-types |
| 11:00.40 | omid8bimo | JohannesSM64: if no error then it's moving forward |
| 11:00.43 | greenmang0 | debian_d: did you try enabling it?? |
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| 11:00.52 | omid8bimo | JohannesSM64: probably slow net connection |
| 11:01.17 | debian_d | greenmang0: how to enable it ?isn't it already enabled? |
| 11:01.41 | `ph8 | Hi everyone, we've just installed debian-latest (lenny) - I can't find the package 'openssh-server' though which is concerning! Are my default sources wrong? I have security.debian.org (lenny/updates) main,contrib,non-free and volatile.debian.org lenny/volatile <same> |
| 11:01.48 | greenmang0 | check compizconfig-settings-manager... most of the effects are not enabled by default |
| 11:02.05 | din_os | any substitutes for "windows remote assistance" for linux? |
| 11:02.22 | DDevine | a few |
| 11:03.14 | greenmang0 | `ph8: you need to add this "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free" |
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| 11:03.24 | `ph8 | thanks mate, no idea why it didn't install |
| 11:03.25 | greenmang0 | `ph8: to your sources.list |
| 11:03.47 | `ph8 | stable or lenny, or they're equivalent right? |
| 11:03.59 | greenmang0 | `ph8: yeah... |
| 11:04.01 | din_os | DDevine, I know, but I wished for one that does not require opening router ports... helpee asks for help from helper and the helper gets to see helpee's desktop... |
| 11:04.02 | DeSian | din_os, VNCviewer |
| 11:04.16 | `ph8 | that's got it, thanks |
| 11:04.21 | cantido | din_os: kde has that sort of thing, at least 3.5 does |
| 11:04.52 | greenmang0 | `ph8: don't forget "aptitude update" after making changes in sources.list |
| 11:04.57 | greenmang0 | `ph8: no problem!!! |
| 11:05.01 | DDevine | din_os: krdc - but the only one that doesn't really require much port opening is NX - but your client has to be Unix. |
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| 11:05.35 | din_os | DDevine, thx, I meant for both PC's on linux of course |
| 11:05.36 | DDevine | as in- you can't control a Windows desktop - but you can control a Linux desktop. |
| 11:05.49 | DDevine | din_os: Definitely NX then :) |
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| 11:05.56 | DDevine | It only requires SSH to be working. |
| 11:06.06 | DDevine | So port 22 on the firewall. |
| 11:06.18 | DDevine | Are the computers at different sites? |
| 11:06.18 | cantido | DDevine: you can forward most TCP applications down ssh.. |
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| 11:06.34 | mibb_ | hi, I'm trying to get tethering working under debian. while this works with ubuntu out of the box through rndis - can anyone tell me what I need to get the interface recognized under debian? |
| 11:06.46 | DDevine | cantido: But what is better than NX? Nothing I have ever seen. |
| 11:07.11 | din_os | DDevine, yes |
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| 11:07.19 | cantido | isn't nx one of those half non-free things? |
| 11:07.37 | DDevine | cantido: Sort of - there is FreeNX (server and client( |
| 11:07.41 | DDevine | so no actually |
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| 11:08.03 | DDevine | Just NX from NoMachine is slightly better. |
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| 11:08.28 | din_os | any of these on lenny packages? |
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| 11:08.44 | DDevine | din_os: If you want the non-free one you go to the website to download it. |
| 11:08.59 | DDevine | Else you can get FreeNX from the repos. |
| 11:09.01 | DeSian | din_os, apt-cache search PACKAGE |
| 11:09.10 | DDevine | Though NoMachine nx might be in the non-free repos. |
| 11:09.52 | din_os | DDevine, ok I already failed compiling FreeNX from the site but now that I know it does the job I'll try again |
| 11:10.44 | DDevine | FreeNX from the site? |
| 11:10.52 | DDevine | Why did you have to compile it? |
| 11:11.11 | nadar | since xchat 2.6.8-4 i have the problem that several hotkeys aren't underlined anymore but look like this: C_onnect. I don't know if its a problem of the maintainer or buggy source, but its not so great being unable to use hotkeys |
| 11:11.16 | nadar | <= ses sid |
| 11:11.19 | nadar | *uses |
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| 11:14.55 | din_os | DDevine, I downloaded it, there was a Makefile, so I guessed it needed some compilin :) |
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| 11:18.30 | din_os | DeSian, apt-cache search FreeNX returns nothing on lenny :(, just NX brings some results but no NX. I guess it is not in the repos |
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| 11:19.14 | mbruins | din_os: perhaps this might help http://wiki.debian.org/freenx |
| 11:19.25 | DeSian | din_os, http://packages.debianbase.de/ |
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| 11:19.52 | DeSian | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.57 | DeSian | or her http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2978 download it and compile it |
| 11:21.04 | purplepenguins | anyone know what package provides intltool-merge? |
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| 11:21.43 | DeSian | before compiling "apt-get install build-essential" |
| 11:22.04 | mbruins | din_os: where do you use freenx for if i may ask? i dont really undestand what it does i quess. |
| 11:22.06 | abrotman | purplepenguins: aptitude install apt-file ; apt-file update ;apt-file search foo |
| 11:22.27 | abrotman | !freenx |
| 11:22.27 | dpkg | freenx is probably a free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main". http://wiki.debian.org/freenx #nx on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:22.40 | DeSian | purplepenguins, i thing intltool self |
| 11:22.44 | DeSian | or getext |
| 11:23.06 | DeSian | purplepenguins, you need it for compiling, right? |
| 11:23.14 | purplepenguins | yes |
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| 11:23.42 | mbruins | is freenx like remote for windows? so remote with x? |
| 11:24.04 | abrotman | mbruins: like vnc or rdp or remote X |
| 11:24.18 | mbruins | abrotman: ah yes then i read it correctly =) thanks |
| 11:24.57 | din_os | mbruins, thx for the link and yes it seems to be like vnc, I hope it's more like "remote assistance" |
| 11:25.03 | DeSian | purplepenguins, which package ? |
| 11:25.14 | abrotman | din_os: if you want rdp, there is an rdp server for linux |
| 11:25.17 | purplepenguins | i found it in intltool, thanks |
| 11:25.22 | DeSian | apt-dep build PACKAGE is better for you |
| 11:25.25 | mbruins | din_os: np, good luck |
| 11:25.27 | Bhavic | Anyone know how i can mount, but make it writable |
| 11:25.35 | Bhavic | Atm i get "read only file system" |
| 11:25.46 | purplepenguins | what does that do? |
| 11:25.46 | abrotman | DeSian: apt-get build-deb ? |
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| 11:26.11 | abrotman | purplepenguins: i think he wanted to know what you were compiling |
| 11:26.19 | purplepenguins | midori |
| 11:26.22 | DeSian | sorry abrotman "apt-get build-dep PACKAGE" |
| 11:26.32 | purplepenguins | from the latest git |
| 11:26.43 | abrotman | !tell purplepenguins about ssb |
| 11:26.50 | abrotman | ah ok .. from git .. have fun |
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| 11:29.16 | mbruins | what the official/onofficial forum of debian? perhaps forums.debian.net? |
| 11:29.32 | abrotman | !forums |
| 11:29.32 | dpkg | [forums] http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
| 11:29.44 | abrotman | i don't think there is an 'official' one |
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| 11:31.19 | abrotman | though ISTR that the forums.debian.net is run by a DD |
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| 11:32.53 | mbruins | abrotman: thanks |
| 11:32.56 | o2T7 | Hi, I empty my $PS1 and my terms still show a string ";user@host: ~" (<- being in homedir, with that ';' and ' ') |
| 11:33.16 | mbruins | abrotman: ISTR? and what DD perhaps debian developer? |
| 11:33.31 | abrotman | I Seem To Recall |
| 11:33.54 | mbruins | ah that one is new to me =) |
| 11:34.21 | purplepenguins | okay, maybe git midori is a bad plan |
| 11:34.28 | DeSian | but whay isn't forum.debian.net? |
| 11:34.42 | purplepenguins | should have checked to know that i needed a bleeding edge version of webkit |
| 11:34.56 | abrotman | acronymfinder.com |
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| 11:35.22 | abrotman | DeSian: why isn't it what ? |
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| 11:35.33 | DeSian | "apt-get build-dep midori" tell you which tool, ...etc you need |
| 11:35.54 | d0ubleclick | i have some weird processes appearing every 10-20 second, they have no name or any info in gnome-system-monitor... |
| 11:36.09 | d0ubleclick | and they are ran by root |
| 11:36.16 | DeSian | abrotman, debian.org is official, why not forum.debian.org? |
| 11:36.16 | abrotman | they shuld have a name |
| 11:36.29 | abrotman | DeSian: because it's not debian.org ? |
| 11:36.41 | DeSian | aha ok |
| 11:36.45 | purplepenguins | that command fails for a very oddd reason |
| 11:36.48 | d0ubleclick | abrotman: they dont :( look -- http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/371432/nonameproc.png |
| 11:36.48 | mbruins | din_os: there doesnt seem to be a forums.debian.org |
| 11:36.57 | mbruins | din_os: its forums.debian.net |
| 11:37.05 | DeSian | everything under debian project is strange :) |
| 11:37.05 | d0ubleclick | no info at all... |
| 11:37.21 | mbruins | DeSian: why? |
| 11:37.27 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.29 | purplepenguins | namely, some very odd file does not exist and apt is confused |
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| 11:37.37 | din_os | mbruins, nothing to do with me... but for our previous discussion teamviewer rocks |
| 11:37.43 | d0ubleclick | abrotman: no |
| 11:38.06 | purplepenguins | also if my lag weren't about 60 seconds long i'd have noticed i forgot to preface that first statement at DeSian |
| 11:38.15 | abrotman | jwell, you have the PID .. maybe you can get the PPID |
| 11:38.34 | DeSian | mbruins, is not my business, i like debian but sometime the rules is to much :) |
| 11:38.52 | d0ubleclick | yes but it looks like they are gone from the moment they appear... |
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| 11:39.35 | d0ubleclick | i can't list open files for that processes, can't kill them or anything |
| 11:39.36 | d0ubleclick | :) |
| 11:39.37 | mbruins | DeSian: i think thats whats so good about debian it has principles |
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| 11:39.44 | purplepenguins | svn checkout seems to have choked on a slow internet connection, how lovely |
| 11:40.10 | purplepenguins | somewhere in the middle of ecmascripts |
| 11:40.13 | abrotman | d0ubleclick: can you copy the data fro the PID out of /proc/ when it happens ? |
| 11:41.25 | d0ubleclick | abrotman: they lasts for like less than a second.. i don't know how to do that |
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| 11:42.14 | mbruins | maybe a bit oftopic but is it weird/no right to register my personal domain with .org? i dont have any project yet it will be just some information about me i think |
| 11:42.30 | Mihasi | hi everyone, still no progress with alsa... alsaconf detects my soundcard and writes the right lines in /etc/modprobe.conf/sound, but alsamixer and /proc/asound/cards report that there's no soundcard. |
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| 11:44.13 | d0ubleclick | abrotman: i can't catch the process.. i feel funny :) |
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| 11:46.05 | abrotman | d0ubleclick: there are programs to look for rootkits |
| 11:46.21 | abrotman | mbruins: ultimately up to you |
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| 11:47.06 | d0ubleclick | abrotman: rkhunter didn't find anything.. any other program to recomend? |
| 11:47.06 | mbruins | abrotman: hm so its not for non-profit organisations only? |
| 11:47.29 | abrotman | d0ubleclick: chkrootkit i think ? |
| 11:47.49 | abrotman | mbruins: uhm .. no, i know a for-profit company that uses a .org for the company email |
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| 11:48.13 | mbruins | abrotman: thats lame, i dont want to be like that |
| 11:48.32 | abrotman | mbruins: you're not a company .. you can use whatever you'd like |
| 11:48.36 | Devine | mbruins: .net, .id or somethign is probably better. |
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| 11:49.06 | mbruins | Devine: why? |
| 11:49.09 | mbruins | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 11:49.59 | abrotman | mbruins: there's no technical/formal restriction |
| 11:50.41 | Devine | mbruins: look at wikipedia or something and read the descriptions of the TLDs - apart from that .net is not assosciated with dodgyness (like .ru, .tv, .info) |
| 11:51.16 | Devine | the .net TLD is just "normal" I guess. |
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| 11:52.56 | mbruins | Devine: hm thats sounds good. i like "normal" |
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| 11:53.25 | wald0 | is there any gui application to transfer files via bluetooth ? (without K or G dependencies) |
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| 11:55.14 | Devine | without k or g dependencies... I doubt. |
| 11:55.29 | wald0 | si |
| 11:55.45 | wald0 | how's that? is that bad the BT support in linux ? :/ |
| 11:55.52 | paul__p | hello everyone, may I post a question here about network(openvpn&LAN),I know that this is not the right channel, but I allready asked on networking channel but no answer yet(and I don't that everyoane is busy,but no answer) |
| 11:55.59 | abrotman | wald0: or it's not packaged |
| 11:56.55 | abrotman | wald0: obex ? |
| 11:57.02 | abrotman | or search freshmeat |
| 11:58.00 | wald0 | mmh |
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| 11:58.30 | d0ubleclick | abrotman: nothing, chkrootkit found false "bindshell" which is in fact my bitlbee server listening on 6667 and a "sniffer" which is my iftop running on eth0 |
| 11:59.40 | abrotman | d0ubleclick: using which application ? |
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| 12:01.11 | d0ubleclick | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 12:01.41 | abrotman | which application is showing you those nameless processes |
| 12:01.58 | d0ubleclick | abrotman: gnome-system-monitor |
| 12:02.37 | d0ubleclick | abrotman: i can't see it in top or htop... maybe because of slow refresh rate.. |
| 12:02.56 | abrotman | you can change the refresh rate i believe |
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| 12:10.53 | d0ubleclick | abrotman: ok, i quite sure top doesn't show them.. |
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| 12:12.47 | abrotman | maybe you can use pgrep to get it? |
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| 12:14.22 | zykes- | does debian have a thing like do-release-upgrade in ubuntu ? |
| 12:14.59 | abrotman | which does what ? |
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| 12:16.09 | abrotman | zykes-: which does what? |
| 12:16.46 | zykes- | update the release |
| 12:17.12 | JohannesSM64 | okay, i restarted the installer |
| 12:17.20 | JohannesSM64 | (this time the graphical one, if it makes a difference) |
| 12:17.23 | JohannesSM64 | now it didn't freeze |
| 12:17.28 | abrotman | zykes-: i would hope it does more than that |
| 12:18.06 | zykes- | probably does :), just wondering if deb has something alike |
| 12:18.14 | abrotman | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 12:18.15 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 12:18.22 | abrotman | zykes-: seems to roughly do that ... |
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| 12:19.12 | abrotman | update-manager-core: /usr/share/doc/update-manager-core/do-release-upgrade |
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| 12:23.40 | Hexch | do some of you administrate atmail ? |
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| 12:41.45 | JyZyXEL | how do i see with what options the debian packages have been compiled with? |
| 12:42.06 | abrotman | !debian/rules |
| 12:42.06 | dpkg | the makefile that's used when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules to change compilation options. Be aware that some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. Also ask me about <hold> <package recompile> <source>. |
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| 12:43.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | interesting. Never used +yourname, I'ave only ever gone with ~foo |
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| 12:48.01 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: what would be the fastest way to view this file for a package? |
| 12:48.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | vi ? |
| 12:48.20 | abrotman | didn't we just cover that? |
| 12:49.18 | trebor_home | hello. i read on debian.de that the netinstall-isos don't contain any wlan support - is there an (inofficial | user generated) iso, which is not 5 x 5gb which does contain wlan support and is a kind of a netinstall? |
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| 12:49.44 | abrotman | trebor_home: depends on the wifi card |
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| 12:50.02 | abrotman | the netinst supports my wifi card just fine |
| 12:50.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | lenny d-i supports firmware via usb stick iirc |
| 12:50.22 | abrotman | !firmware installer |
| 12:50.25 | JyZyXEL | i can't find the damn rules file |
| 12:50.27 | abrotman | !installer firmware |
| 12:50.28 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
| 12:50.38 | JyZyXEL | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libd/libdrm/libdrm_2.4.12.orig.tar.gz |
| 12:50.45 | JyZyXEL | it didn't have a directory called debian |
| 12:50.48 | abrotman | duh |
| 12:50.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | JyZyXEL: its not in the orig.tar... |
| 12:51.00 | JyZyXEL | well what then |
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| 12:51.19 | abrotman | did you even read what the bot said? |
| 12:51.22 | abrotman | do you ever read? |
| 12:51.41 | JyZyXEL | no? |
| 12:52.13 | JyZyXEL | http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/libdrm |
| 12:52.33 | JyZyXEL | it just offers me .dsc, .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz |
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| 12:53.01 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman, I love channels where the first thing you get after joining is a veteran member yelling at some newbie, :-) |
| 12:53.21 | JyZyXEL | blast_hardcheese: i've been here for years |
| 12:53.23 | trebor_home | is looking/googling for wifi-hardware on hp550 laptop... |
| 12:53.38 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: sadly .. he's been a 'newbie' for a couple of years now |
| 12:53.52 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: dpkg-source -x file.dsc |
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| 12:54.21 | blast_hardcheese | JyZyXEL, Ah, was not aware he was speaking to you, also I've seen abrotman every single time I've joined #debian, I can't remember ever seeing you. No offense intended, just my observations |
| 12:54.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | blast_hardcheese: its hard to miss abrotman ;) |
| 12:56.07 | JyZyXEL | so abrotman are you saying people become debian pro's usually in few years |
| 12:56.10 | blast_hardcheese | Kamping_Kaiser, That's true, I must admit even I have been yelled at by abrotman for something or other, it's been quite a while now though. |
| 12:56.38 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: you don't read anything |
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| 12:56.50 | blast_hardcheese | JyZyXEL, I've been using Debian for maybe 8 months and I'm building towards writing my first set of kernel drivers |
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| 12:57.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | JyZyXEL: aquire diff.gz -> view contents -> ??? -> profit. |
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| 12:58.17 | JyZyXEL | i saw a big ass changelog |
| 12:58.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | protip: use search |
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| 12:59.08 | JyZyXEL | Kamping_Kaiser: i was searching for the makefile |
| 12:59.31 | blast_hardcheese | Quick question: I've got a "Photo Traveler 130S" 1.3MP Digital camera intended for palm systems, but it has a standard SD card interface. Is there any way to access this type of device on Linux? I've never actually tried to use a non-disk SD device with a desktop, and my Google-fu is failing me |
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| 12:59.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | you were searching for debian/rules. how hard can it be? |
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| 13:00.00 | blast_hardcheese | s/desktop/non-palmtop device/ |
| 13:00.06 | JyZyXEL | Kamping_Kaiser: all i saw in the diff.gz was a changelog |
| 13:01.05 | JyZyXEL | ill see if the contents is any different with vim |
| 13:02.02 | JyZyXEL | dude this is just a changelog nothing else |
| 13:02.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | --- libdrm-2.4.12.orig/debian/rules |
| 13:02.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | +++ libdrm-2.4.12/debian/rules |
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| 13:02.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | I found it |
| 13:02.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | in less then 2 min |
| 13:02.30 | abrotman | i got it in less :) |
| 13:02.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | damn these old timers! |
| 13:04.08 | JyZyXEL | oh its got all the changes needed to debianize the original package? |
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| 13:04.31 | JohannesSM64 | ugh |
| 13:04.36 | abrotman | if he'd have read what the bot said, he'd have been done 20 minutes ago |
| 13:04.56 | JohannesSM64 | i set the keyboard layout to norwegian during installation, but that was ignored, apparently |
| 13:04.59 | JyZyXEL | it didn't say that |
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| 13:05.09 | JohannesSM64 | where do i set keyboard layout from the OS? |
| 13:05.18 | abrotman | JohannesSM64: in X ? |
| 13:05.22 | JohannesSM64 | yes |
| 13:05.30 | abrotman | JohannesSM64: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 13:06.54 | JyZyXEL | bah no --enable-experimental-api |
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| 13:07.17 | JyZyXEL | its debian unstable they should have enabled it |
| 13:07.58 | abrotman | except that package also goes into testing, and possibly to a release |
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| 13:10.00 | JyZyXEL | well whats this experimental debian version |
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| 13:10.07 | JyZyXEL | maybe it has cool stuff? |
| 13:10.26 | wsilence | is away (sleep) |
| 13:10.47 | abrotman | !tell wsilence about away |
| 13:10.55 | JyZyXEL | !experimental |
| 13:10.55 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 13:11.02 | JyZyXEL | omg so much caps |
| 13:11.10 | JyZyXEL | must be amazing! |
| 13:11.26 | abrotman | if you install that, you're going to break your system and no one will help you |
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| 13:11.34 | enouf | JyZyXEL: it's done to catch all those ./ 'ers eyes |
| 13:11.52 | enouf | er /. ers, heh |
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| 13:11.59 | JyZyXEL | i don't even care the system is so broken already |
| 13:12.14 | enouf | faceslappers and tweetpoopers |
| 13:12.38 | enouf | ;-) |
| 13:12.39 | JyZyXEL | might aswell brake it totally |
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| 13:13.47 | JohannesSM64 | abrotman, didn't work |
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| 13:13.57 | Pericius | i've installed ttf-dejavu-core and want to make it default for the system, from boot... where am i supposed to set that? |
| 13:14.22 | JyZyXEL | lol i bet i'm not gonna get it installed =D |
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| 13:14.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | JohannesSM64: for your user, system -> prefs -> keyboard perhaps |
| 13:14.36 | JyZyXEL | its just gonna break before i can do anything with it |
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| 13:15.39 | enouf | Pericius: for console or X? console ; in /etc/console*/config IIRC |
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| 13:16.14 | enouf | also might run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
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| 13:17.03 | enouf | forgets if console-setup/console-data gets used here for these things ... myabe that's just for keymaps |
| 13:17.09 | JohannesSM64 | wow wtf |
| 13:17.18 | JohannesSM64 | i went to prefs > keyboard |
| 13:17.21 | Pericius | installing fontconfig now |
| 13:17.24 | JohannesSM64 | clicked add > layout |
| 13:17.32 | JohannesSM64 | found norway, added, checked |
| 13:17.35 | JohannesSM64 | and it didn't work |
| 13:17.39 | JohannesSM64 | then i went back |
| 13:17.46 | JohannesSM64 | and removed the UNCHECKED USA layout |
| 13:17.48 | JohannesSM64 | and now it works |
| 13:18.07 | JohannesSM64 | I selected norwegian layout during installation |
| 13:18.10 | JohannesSM64 | that was ignored too |
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| 13:18.27 | enouf | JohannesSM64: either a) give that user needed perms, try b) launching gnome with gksu/gksudo and changing settings ? |
| 13:19.10 | JohannesSM64 | i'm the person who installed the OS, and i'm the only user |
| 13:19.11 | Pericius | enouf: there is /etc/console-tools/config... that it? |
| 13:19.20 | enouf | if gnome isn't installed, install 'sux' and use that instead (kde has it's own tool too) |
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| 13:19.32 | enouf | Pericius: yeah - see font sections |
| 13:19.59 | Pericius | enouf: um, i see them but have no clue to what i should change them |
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| 13:20.17 | JyZyXEL | so to use experimental i probably wanna go to unstable and then take the experimental packages that i wanna experiment with? |
| 13:20.25 | enouf | one sec |
| 13:20.35 | JohannesSM64 | is something really wrong here or does debian bruteforce USA layout overriding selected keyboard layout if the language is set to english? |
| 13:21.11 | JohannesSM64 | i haven't had this problem with any other OS |
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| 13:23.38 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: have you considered using ubuntu or gentoo? |
| 13:24.23 | JyZyXEL | yes i have |
| 13:24.33 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: they'd be much more suited toward your desire to have shiny-new-shit, and break stuff |
| 13:25.35 | enouf | Pericius: bah, i forget, can't find info at the moment - |
| 13:26.05 | JyZyXEL | gentoo would probably be nice for this but i've not used it |
| 13:26.07 | Pericius | no matter, will have to do it myself, won't i :) |
| 13:26.15 | Pericius | thanks nonetheless |
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| 13:27.04 | enouf | JohannesSM64: have you actually added/ran dpkg-reconfigure locales? what's output of 'locale' as user; pastebin it ; do you get LOCALE errors if you run apt-get install <pkgname> ? |
| 13:27.27 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: so go try it |
| 13:27.51 | brbrbr | or Fedora ;) |
| 13:28.27 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: naw ill stay with the debian and learn it first |
| 13:28.28 | brbrbr | or original sid[not twisted "brother", named "Ubuntu"] |
| 13:28.35 | JohannesSM64 | dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 13:28.42 | abrotman | JohannesSM64: as root |
| 13:28.49 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: no you won't |
| 13:29.04 | JyZyXEL | yea i will |
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| 13:30.38 | JohannesSM64 | enouf: all these things are irrelevant |
| 13:30.42 | JohannesSM64 | this is about keyboard layout |
| 13:31.06 | JyZyXEL | im interested if there will be light at the end of the tunnel |
| 13:31.44 | abrotman | JohannesSM64: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should ask you which keymap you want to use for X |
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| 13:32.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | i dont recall d-r x asking since lenny - new xorg |
| 13:32.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | fuck i hate modern xorgs :/ |
| 13:32.52 | JohannesSM64 | abrotman: i did that |
| 13:32.57 | abrotman | and? |
| 13:33.14 | JohannesSM64 | it was set to norwegian |
| 13:33.22 | JohannesSM64 | but i didn't have the actual norwegian layout |
| 13:33.26 | abrotman | and it's not honoring that? |
| 13:33.32 | JohannesSM64 | then i went to prefs > keyboard |
| 13:33.45 | fxiny | !keymap |
| 13:33.45 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 13:33.48 | JohannesSM64 | USA was on that list, unchecked |
| 13:33.51 | abrotman | !xorg config |
| 13:33.51 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often mostly blank but you can feed xorg settings using it still. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout and use "X -configure" as a template for your handwritten xorg.conf. |
| 13:33.57 | JohannesSM64 | i added norwegian there and checked it |
| 13:34.00 | JohannesSM64 | made no difference |
| 13:34.08 | JohannesSM64 | then i deleted the UNCHECKED USA layout from that list |
| 13:34.10 | JohannesSM64 | and it worked |
| 13:34.21 | JohannesSM64 | i also set keyboard layout to norwegian during installation |
| 13:34.23 | JohannesSM64 | not honored |
| 13:34.52 | fxiny | JohannesSM64: or : bypass all burocratia s* and add your XkbModel in xrog.conf Section "InputDevice" |
| 13:35.16 | JohannesSM64 | meh, it's fine now |
| 13:36.00 | JohannesSM64 | debian appears to try to bruteforce USA layout if the language is set to english |
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| 13:37.00 | enouf | Pericius: the info is out there .. or in /usr/share/doc/fontconfig/* .. this is more X related, but; http://howto.wikia.com/wiki/Howto_install_and_use_X-Windows_fonts |
| 13:37.10 | fxiny | enouf: !! |
| 13:37.17 | enouf | fxiny: !! |
| 13:37.40 | Pericius | enouf: got some info at archlinux... i'm on terminus now, that seems good enough |
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| 13:37.45 | Pericius | will check the link tho |
| 13:38.21 | fxiny | terminus ? my preferred fonts |
| 13:38.27 | enouf | Pericius: heh, ~$ locate '*.pcf.gz' | wc -l gives me 3474 O_o, but those also seem X-related |
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| 13:38.44 | Pericius | dejavu is way better, but i'll set with terminus |
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| 13:40.18 | JohannesSM64 | i really don't get it. is something really wrong here or is it an idiot protection for americans selecting a non-US keyboard layout? |
| 13:40.26 | Zap-W | what does "Symlinks are not dereferenced." mean |
| 13:40.30 | Zap-W | what is dereferenced |
| 13:40.51 | jelly-home | "followed" |
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| 13:41.29 | enouf | deferenced? |
| 13:41.36 | linduxed | i think ive managed to lock myself out with ecryptfs. i changed the login password to "bar" when it was "foo" (just an example) and naturally the ecryptfs password didnt update. |
| 13:41.37 | linduxed | so next boot i went to a failsafe terminal, did a ecryptfs-mount-private and entered "foo". After succesful mount i did an ecryptfs-wrap-passphrase, typed "foo" then "bar" |
| 13:41.37 | jelly-home | no, dereferenced |
| 13:41.39 | linduxed | this boot however it still doesnt log in, and in failsafe neither the "foo" or the "bar" pass works for mount-private |
| 13:41.46 | enouf | um.. |
| 13:42.43 | jelly-home | symlink is a pointer to some other place in the filesystem namespace. Dereferencing a pointer means accessing whatever it points to. |
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| 13:43.11 | morpheuss | hi all |
| 13:43.30 | enouf | ok, man ln has 'dereference' but i know i've seen deference, heh |
| 13:44.06 | enouf | knows because i never understood it either, until somewhat recently |
| 13:45.15 | enouf | sucks ... Zap-W man find /dereference has decent explanations in the --follow area |
| 13:45.41 | enouf | er -follow |
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| 13:47.28 | linduxed | hmm, i must have been flood-squelched... |
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| 13:51.29 | melkart | how can i see/make sure that nothing is bind mounted? i have experimented a bit with schroot and the tutorial i was using explicitly warns me that, before i delete the directories i used for chroot, i must make sure that nothing is bind-mounted anymore (otherwise i would unintentionally delete the target directory as well, i suppose) |
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| 13:54.39 | melkart | never mind |
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| 14:01.55 | JohannesSM64 | the key layout problem was only for the virtual terminal |
| 14:01.56 | enouf | from outside the chroot, if the temporary /mnt/point/* dir is bind mounted, ls -l /mnt/point/* will display listing |
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| 14:06.17 | Pericius | what' best fortune-like console app? |
| 14:06.19 | Pericius | fortune? |
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| 14:09.38 | joltcan | Pericius: apt-cache search fortune and see what you get |
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| 14:23.22 | cusco | debconf fails to set up mtop |
| 14:23.34 | cusco | mtop cannot connect to mysql db |
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| 14:23.45 | cusco | It hasn't asked me for any credentials |
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| 14:29.29 | JohannesSM64 | m-a: command not found |
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| 14:30.45 | ponky | JohannesSM64: apt-get install module-assistant? |
| 14:30.46 | Pericius_ | how to install, say imagemagick 6.4.3 |
| 14:31.00 | Pericius_ | that specific version |
| 14:32.49 | abrotman | Pericius_: you have to have a reference to it in your sources |
| 14:32.52 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 14:32.53 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 14:48.41 | Piet | how do i make it so that an installed daemon will not attempt to be started on updates, even though i have the package installed (for dependancy reasons), persistently? |
| 14:49.03 | liable | !services |
| 14:49.03 | dpkg | from memory, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
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| 14:50.04 | liable | Piet: id its just for dependancy reasons look at ... hmm i fucking forget the name of it |
| 14:50.57 | liable | whatever that dummy package thing is |
| 14:51.18 | Piet | oh that one ;-) |
| 14:51.28 | Piet | thanks so far |
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| 14:51.49 | liable | it'll come to me eventually, was hoping someone else would chime in :P |
| 14:52.36 | Piet | i'll just sit here and wait |
| 14:52.51 | unitypunk | hey.. |
| 14:52.56 | Piet | please put some hot blanjets on your head |
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| 14:53.02 | asg | Piet: just use update-rc.d to add K entries to all runlevels |
| 14:53.12 | unitypunk | howcome bitchx isnt available when i apt-get it. |
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| 14:53.23 | abrotman | because it's not in debian anymore ? |
| 14:53.26 | Piet | asg: will those persist? |
| 14:53.27 | abrotman | judd: versions bitchx |
| 14:53.29 | judd | abrotman: bitchx -- etch: 1:1.1-4 |
| 14:53.29 | unitypunk | dies |
| 14:53.35 | abrotman | !bitchx |
| 14:53.35 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. |
| 14:53.36 | unitypunk | thats what i was skurrd of. |
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| 14:53.54 | asg | Piet: they should iirc. If not, adding an S entry to runlevel 5 (never used by most people) should do the trick. |
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| 14:54.14 | unitypunk | so what should i use alternatively? |
| 14:54.27 | asg | unitypunk: irssi |
| 14:54.34 | Piet | asg: hmm ugly but could work, right. |
| 14:54.37 | unitypunk | thank you :) |
| 14:54.47 | earthian | Hi, I have KDE and gnome installed with debian/sqreeze. However, now I have the Dolphin as filemanager for both KDE and gnome. I do not like this to be in gnome, how do I fix this? |
| 14:54.51 | asg | Piet: it is but should work |
| 14:55.06 | JohannesSM64 | it seems iceweasel has a flash player |
| 14:55.14 | JohannesSM64 | in debian |
| 14:55.15 | JohannesSM64 | clean install |
| 14:55.17 | JohannesSM64 | which is it? |
| 14:55.27 | bzed | !flash |
| 14:55.28 | dpkg | well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 14:55.47 | abrotman | JohannesSM64: it's gnash or swfdec |
| 14:56.25 | liable | stupid brain |
| 14:56.26 | enouf | hrm ... where/what am i supposed to alter here to have a color chroot'd prompt? Is the $PS1 taken/read from a) inside the chroot's {/root/{.bashrc,.bash_profile,profile} -- b) (prior to entering the chroot) /root/{.bashrc,.bash_profile,profile} -- 'printenv' comparisons and even strace'ing the chroot command isn't helping. Only docs i can find referencing a /etc/debian_chroot (mentioned in my usernames .bashrc) is from pbuilder pkgs |
| 14:56.46 | enouf | er s/profile/.profile/g |
| 14:57.57 | JohannesSM64 | how can i find out which flash decoder i have? |
| 14:58.03 | patrikf | enouf: no, the program you pass to chroot is executed in the chroot, so it can't read files outside the chroot |
| 14:58.23 | patrikf | enouf: but for the default prompt to work, you have to do something like echo newsystem >/mnt/newsys/etc/debian_chroot |
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| 14:58.37 | enouf | patrikf: i pass no program; just 'sudo chroot /mnt/chroot' |
| 14:58.50 | liable | cmon, enouf or abrotman or asg should know. whats that package that makes dummy packages for dependancy purposes. my brain is failing me atm. |
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| 14:59.01 | enouf | liable: equivs? |
| 14:59.06 | enouf | !equivs |
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| 14:59.06 | dpkg | equivs is probably a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 14:59.08 | liable | you win |
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| 14:59.15 | liable | !hug enouf |
| 14:59.15 | dpkg | gives enouf a hug |
| 14:59.29 | patrikf | enouf: still the default shell will run isolated within the chroot |
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| 14:59.58 | enouf | patrikf: i can't get my head around this - excuse my brainfarting ... |
| 15:00.04 | liable | Piet: ^^ equivs, if it is really not a needed program |
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| 15:01.25 | Piet | enouf, liable: muchas gracias! |
| 15:01.30 | patrikf | enouf: if you're using the shipped bashrc, write something into .../etc/debian_chroot inside the chroot to identify the chroot and be happy |
| 15:01.51 | enouf | patrikf: i have so many config files, not knowing which are sourced/parsed, nor when, i have (from outside the chroot) a user ~/{.bashrc,.bash_profile,.profile} and /root/{.bashrc,.bash_profile,profile} files ..from WITHIN the chroot that varies |
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| 15:02.48 | enouf | patrikf: so chroot; then touch /etc/debian_chroot and add export $PS1 and other ENV variables there? |
| 15:03.13 | enouf | er s/export $PS1/export PS1=...../ |
| 15:03.34 | JohannesSM64 | how can i find out which flash decoder i have? |
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| 15:03.58 | enouf | patrikf: thanks for you time and explanations though |
| 15:04.08 | patrikf | enouf: no, not touch. /etc/debian_chroot is a bit like hostname. give your chroot a name |
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| 15:05.03 | earthian | Hi, sorry if I repeat myself, I am just thinking to rephrase my question: I have both GNOME and KDE4 installed in Debian/squeeze. However now the default file manager in GNOME is Dolphin which is the file manager for KDE. How do I revert the default GNOME file manager back to Nautilus? If possible without uninstallation of KDE? |
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| 15:05.06 | jelly-home | nice touch, that /etc/bash.bashrc:PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ ' thing |
| 15:05.28 | enouf | jelly-home: i have similar in ~/.bashrc as well |
| 15:05.37 | patrikf | enouf: inside your chroot? |
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| 15:06.16 | patrikf | you should either have that in (chroot)/root/.bashrc, or if you don't have that one you should have it in (chroot)/etc/bash.bashrc |
| 15:06.26 | JohannesSM64 | either way, the flash decoder i have in my iceweasel (clean debian install) lags a lot |
| 15:06.32 | enouf | patrikf: well, inside the chroot, i'm not even sure who i am, though 'id' says uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 15:06.43 | patrikf | enouf: id is right. |
| 15:06.57 | enouf | nor where my variables are from when i 'env' inside the chroot |
| 15:06.59 | rudi_s | Hi. How can I list all packages I installed from lenny-backports? |
| 15:07.12 | JohannesSM64 | how can i uninstall it? |
| 15:07.29 | chellomere | rudi_s, backported packages have bpo in the version |
| 15:07.29 | enouf | patrikf: yes, but which root user am i? the chroot'd /root/.* ? |
| 15:08.02 | patrikf | enouf: there's only one user. and to all chroot-ed programs, the chroot appears to them as / |
| 15:08.22 | enouf | although printenv or env shows me my original username and ~ prior to chroot'ing - also SUDO*= variables |
| 15:08.41 | enouf | wait, i'll pastebin this crap |
| 15:08.41 | Psi-Jack | Okay, whom here knows NIS well that I could pick their mind for a few? |
| 15:08.51 | patrikf | enouf: that's because chroot will pass on any env variables that are set |
| 15:09.04 | patrikf | enouf: try env -i chroot ... |
| 15:10.16 | rudi_s | chellomere: Thanks, but how can I search for them? I tried ~Vbpo ~i but it listed also other packages. |
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| 15:10.49 | enouf | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d2978188d |
| 15:11.01 | enouf | ok, i'll try that now |
| 15:11.08 | chellomere | rudi_s, sorry, I'm not very good at aptitude search strings |
| 15:11.20 | rudi_s | chellomere: No problem, me neither ;-) |
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| 15:11.29 | Psi-Jack | What I'm basically trying to do is better understand how netgroups work. I /thought/ I could just create a few user groups, and use those groups to restrict where the user could login to, but according to what I'm seeing, I have to use netgroups instead, which is totally different, and not what I expected. |
| 15:11.33 | enouf | env: chroot: No such file or directory |
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| 15:12.23 | enouf | Also, my history within the chroot is acting all weird, it recalls nothing |
| 15:12.27 | chellomere | rudi_s, note that there is no way to find out where you got a package from, you can only guess, and if it has bpo in the version, it's likely to be a package from backports.org |
| 15:13.08 | enouf | patrikf: i get the same reply with 'env -i chroot' from within/without |
| 15:13.10 | rudi_s | chellomere: Thanks, bpo in the version name should work for me .. I only need to find a way to search it. |
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| 15:16.41 | _2 | "Starting Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon: avahi-daemonTimeout reached while wating for return value /n Could not receive return value from daemon process. failed! " <<< what is avahi, and why is it starting at boot time ? |
| 15:16.52 | abrotman | !avahi |
| 15:16.52 | dpkg | somebody said avahi was a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared. |
| 15:17.03 | abrotman | wtf wrote that .. |
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| 15:17.15 | abrotman | that would explain that ... |
| 15:17.32 | enouf | f*** ..gah |
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| 15:18.03 | enouf | _2: apt-get--purge remove it |
| 15:18.10 | abrotman | !zeroconf |
| 15:18.11 | dpkg | Zeroconf or Zero Configuration Networking is a set of techniques that automatically create a usable IP network without configuration or special servers. This allows unknowledgeable users to connect computers, networked printers, and other items together and expect them to work automatically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf |
| 15:18.21 | abrotman | _2: if you don't know any better .. leave it there |
| 15:18.23 | enouf | _2: er apt-get --purge remove <pkgname> |
| 15:18.33 | abrotman | _2: if you don't know any better .. leave it there |
| 15:18.40 | enouf | kill that crap i say - forever |
| 15:18.40 | _2 | so it is failing to start because the network is unreachable at boot time ? |
| 15:18.56 | abrotman | _2: probably not, sounds like a different problem |
| 15:19.05 | enouf | _2: if ifconfig -a shows a 169.254.x.x address - kill avah |
| 15:19.22 | abrotman | enouf: stop it |
| 15:19.28 | _2 | 169 ? typo ? |
| 15:19.29 | enouf | _2: i use rcconf to disable startup shit i leave installed |
| 15:19.35 | enouf | _2: no |
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| 15:19.45 | abrotman | _2: please ignore enouf .. he's being over dramatic |
| 15:19.46 | enouf | abrotman: stop what? |
| 15:20.15 | cusco | I would like to know more about 169 IP's |
| 15:20.17 | abrotman | _2: figure out why it's not starting .. avahi is useful |
| 15:20.24 | _2 | abrotman heh. i know you guys. i'm not new here :) |
| 15:20.24 | enouf | because i have an opinion about how nonsensical some default setups can be? and i help perplexed users? please .. |
| 15:20.26 | cusco | many windows users get them from their routers |
| 15:20.45 | enouf | _2: listen to whomever you like |
| 15:20.59 | _2 | enouf i will/do |
| 15:21.20 | abrotman | cusco: it's what your system will get as an IP if your dhcp client can't reach a dhcp server .. roughly .. (not a great description) |
| 15:21.33 | cusco | ah.. cool |
| 15:21.53 | _2 | anyway the network is unreachable at boot time and if that can prevent the daemon from starting then that's probably why it fails. |
| 15:22.12 | abrotman | _2: that shouldn't keep it from starting .. |
| 15:22.17 | _2 | k |
| 15:22.58 | enouf | _2: suggest you /msg dpkg interfaces ; /msg dpkg resolv.conf (is thatthe one i want?) and setup your network properly |
| 15:23.09 | enouf | _2: not the resolveconf pkg |
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| 15:24.25 | enouf | _2: yes, <resolv.conf>, however, that's DNS related only, try using ping -c 4 <hostname-or-IP-adress> |
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| 15:25.19 | abrotman | _2: if you try to restart the avahi daemon, what happens? |
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| 15:26.05 | ajavid | quick question |
| 15:26.19 | ajavid | how do I find out the total amount of bandwith downloaded since the iface was brought up? |
| 15:26.27 | ajavid | I don't have any bw monitors daemons running |
| 15:26.37 | enouf | ajavid: ifconfig |
| 15:26.38 | abrotman | ifconfig shows it .. unless you've looped around |
| 15:26.43 | ajavid | oh it does? |
| 15:26.47 | enouf | ajavid: and /proc/net/dev |
| 15:26.51 | abrotman | at the bottom? RX/TX |
| 15:26.59 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.00 | ajavid | oh |
| 15:27.04 | ajavid | word |
| 15:27.08 | ajavid | thanks |
| 15:27.17 | abrotman | so small .. |
| 15:27.27 | ajavid | I had to reboot last night, X problems |
| 15:27.34 | enouf | ajavid: sometimes i do 'watch tail /proc/net/dev' :-p |
| 15:27.40 | ajavid | yes... had to reboot |
| 15:27.48 | mbruins | why? |
| 15:28.05 | ajavid | system locked up |
| 15:28.13 | ajavid | sysrq didnt' work |
| 15:28.49 | ajavid | also, found out my x1900xt has dvi0 port bad |
| 15:28.50 | enouf | if you're too cheap to install and use something like iftop :-P |
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| 15:29.06 | ajavid | and one of my 24" after 3 years has stuck pixels |
| 15:29.23 | ajavid | so when you scroll the window up down, it draws diff colored lines across the screen |
| 15:29.29 | enouf | ajavid: does /etc/sysctl.conf contain; kernel.sysrq = 1 |
| 15:29.29 | ajavid | im kinda just having a blast here... |
| 15:29.31 | enouf | ? |
| 15:29.37 | ajavid | enouf, yes |
| 15:30.22 | enouf | ajavid: debian kernel? if so MAGIC_SYSRQ=y |
| 15:31.43 | ajavid | yes |
| 15:31.55 | ajavid | but when keyboard sends no input |
| 15:31.59 | ajavid | what do you do... |
| 15:32.06 | dhodgkin | punch it |
| 15:32.07 | enouf | right ... well |
| 15:32.18 | enouf | wait a few years? :-p |
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| 15:32.27 | ajavid | ok banana time |
| 15:32.30 | enouf | dhodgkin: i like your style |
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| 15:32.37 | ajavid | 1000mg ibuprofen... whew |
| 15:32.38 | thibz | hello |
| 15:32.39 | dhodgkin | enouf: hehe |
| 15:32.40 | ajavid | hello |
| 15:33.13 | ajavid | enouf, he is my first employee of frosted web :) |
| 15:33.19 | rudi_s | chellomere: For the record, this worked for me: aptitude -F '%p %v#' search '~i' | grep '~bpo' ; the problem was that packages which were installed from stable and had a packports were also matched with ~Vpbo, the grep only prints packages which are really installed from packports. |
| 15:33.32 | dhodgkin | enouf: have you ever got extremely upset and beat the hell out of your keyboard? |
| 15:33.35 | thibz | I have debian with /boot separated, if I want to install a second linux, the boot of this second linux, where do I have to install it? |
| 15:33.45 | enouf | ajavid: nice - i see that - now, no more OT here ! :-) |
| 15:33.53 | ajavid | rudi_s, bpo |
| 15:33.55 | enouf | dhodgkin: many many times |
| 15:34.07 | abrotman | thibz: you can put it wherever you'd like .. just make sure only one system is managing the bootloader |
| 15:34.12 | dhodgkin | enouf: it's really rough on your fist |
| 15:34.40 | ajavid | dhodgkin, ot |
| 15:34.43 | ajavid | #debian-chat |
| 15:34.55 | dhodgkin | ajavid: grrr |
| 15:34.56 | thibz | abrotman, ok thx |
| 15:35.05 | dhodgkin | ajavid: rules lawyer :P |
| 15:35.06 | enouf | dhodgkin: not really, ...and, i've even considered making an inverted keypressing tool so i can equally smash ALL the keys at the EXACT SAME TIME ;-) |
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| 15:35.17 | rudi_s | ajavid: What do you mean? |
| 15:35.27 | ajavid | rudi_s, its bpo, not pbo |
| 15:35.28 | ajavid | :) |
| 15:35.48 | ajavid | it reminded me of peanut butter and jelly |
| 15:35.57 | ajavid | with ~Vpbo, |
| 15:36.12 | ajavid | and its backports, not packports :) |
| 15:36.20 | ajavid | you said that twice too |
| 15:36.33 | abrotman | !enter |
| 15:36.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:36.35 | enouf | thibz: no need to install grub during 2nd OS installation, just edit/update your menu.lst (if you use grub) |
| 15:36.46 | ajavid | enouf, using grub2 yet? |
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| 15:37.06 | mbruins | ajavid: ofcourse =) |
| 15:37.07 | rudi_s | ajavid: Ah, typo, but only here, ~Vbpo doesn't work as well. I make those letter switches often .. |
| 15:37.13 | enouf | ajavid: nope - almost - but i never reboot (or try not to) - and i loathe doing it |
| 15:37.16 | thibz | enouf, yes grub has been installed with debian |
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| 15:37.49 | mbruins | enouf: what does loathe mean? |
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| 15:38.19 | enouf | thibz: if you installed into MBR initially, then you should be ok - might need some stage2 files on 2nd OS 'partition' .. but, if you have a separate /boot partition, it shouldn't be an issue |
| 15:38.37 | enouf | mbruins: hate with passion ;-) |
| 15:38.47 | mbruins | enouf: hehe ok ty |
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| 15:39.16 | thibz | enouf, grub is in MBR :) |
| 15:39.26 | ajavid | !dict loathe |
| 15:39.31 | dpkg | Dictionary 'loathe' (3 of 4): \Loathe\, v. i. To feel disgust or nausea. [Obs.] [1913 Webster] ;; abhor, abominate, be hostile to, decline, despise, detest, disapprove of, disfavor, dislike, disrelish, execrate, hate, hold in abomination, mislike, not care for, refuse, reject, repudiate, shrink from, shudder at, spurn, utterly detest ;; find repugnant; "I loathe that man"; "She abhors cats" . |
| 15:39.36 | enouf | thibz: considered debootstrap? |
| 15:40.07 | ajavid | enouf, anyway to get human readable info from /proc/net/dev |
| 15:40.10 | enouf | thibz: oh, maybe your 2nd OS isn't debian - no worries |
| 15:40.22 | ajavid | enouf, like df vs df -h, ls vs ls -h |
| 15:40.27 | enouf | ajavid: yeah, tricky - hence tools ;-) |
| 15:40.33 | ajavid | huh? |
| 15:40.43 | enouf | wait, what? ifconfig reads it |
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| 15:41.05 | enouf | ajavid: i only mentioned it, if you wanted to watch it updated in realtime |
| 15:41.08 | thibz | enouf, I dont know debootstrap but the second os is not debian |
| 15:41.18 | enouf | thibz: ok, nm ;-0 |
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| 15:41.46 | thibz | enouf, I want to try arch :) |
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| 15:42.12 | si-p | hi, what's the easiest way to determine what process requested a packet? |
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| 15:42.40 | abrotman | a packet? |
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| 15:43.00 | enouf | ajavid: ugly, i know; ~$ ifconfig -a | grep -A 8 eth0 | grep bytes |
| 15:43.08 | chellomere | si-p, 'requested'? |
| 15:43.09 | enouf | ajavid: there's a cleaner way to do that |
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| 15:43.58 | racecar56 | i blacklisted kvm and kvm_intel but it's not making any changes, they still get loaded |
| 15:44.08 | chellomere | !blacklist |
| 15:44.08 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 15:44.36 | Pericius | how can i run clear_console, then fortune, so i get only fortune and login lines at start? |
| 15:44.46 | Pericius | everytime, of course |
| 15:45.05 | chellomere | racecar56, did you use that approach? also, if you did, did you try blacklisting it in the initramfs? |
| 15:45.20 | enouf | ajavid: ~$ grep eth0 /proc/net/dev | awk '{ print$1,$2 }' like that? |
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| 15:45.27 | racecar56 | chellomere: a similar approach, and no |
| 15:45.32 | enouf | ajavid: even that is fugly |
| 15:46.01 | enouf | crap - wrong field for TX heh |
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| 15:46.37 | enouf | ~$ grep eth0 /proc/net/dev | awk '{ print$1,$9 } there :-P |
| 15:46.38 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm. INteresting. |
| 15:46.51 | Psi-Jack | Debian defaulted to using errors=remount-ro on my / filesystem? |
| 15:47.00 | enouf | defaulted? |
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| 15:47.03 | Psi-Jack | Does it DO anything about it, and run fsck on it automatically too? |
| 15:47.05 | rudi_s | Pericius: Add the commands to .bash_profile (if you use bash). |
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| 15:47.19 | Psi-Jack | Yes, it defaulted it, during installation, brand new install. |
| 15:47.21 | Pericius | rudi_s: yes, i use bash... will check it now... thanks |
| 15:47.24 | enouf | Psi-Jack: what's /etc/fstab have in it in last field? |
| 15:47.46 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Last field on that line? 1 |
| 15:47.53 | Pericius | rudi_s: though, are u sure this will run BEFORE login? |
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| 15:48.03 | Pericius | rudi_s: or when logged on? |
| 15:48.04 | enouf | Psi-Jack: yes - now, grep FSCK /etc/default/rcS says? |
| 15:48.12 | rudi_s | Pericius: After you login of course. |
| 15:48.26 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Says no |
| 15:48.35 | Pericius | rudi_s: well, i need clear_console and fortune run just before login |
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| 15:48.52 | Pericius | rudi_s: that possible? |
| 15:48.56 | enouf | Psi-Jack: wait - show me output of grep 'errors=remount' /proc/mounts |
| 15:49.22 | Psi-Jack | /dev/hda3 / ext3 rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,data=ordered,usrquota,grpquota 0 0 |
| 15:49.24 | enouf | Psi-Jack: also, 'file -s /dev/hdxX' adjust accordingly |
| 15:49.29 | enouf | ok |
| 15:49.40 | rudi_s | Pericius: I don't know how, sorry. |
| 15:49.47 | enouf | Psi-Jack: erm .. i see 0 0 there |
| 15:49.48 | Psi-Jack | /dev/hda3: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data, UUID=d1a50762-11b-4221-9ba3-aed4b9cff163, volume name "root" (needs journal recovery) (large files) |
| 15:49.59 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Yeah, well, fstab shows differently. ;) |
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| 15:50.11 | enouf | Psi-Jack: also - why do you think it's mounted ro? |
| 15:50.13 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: basic lenny install ? |
| 15:50.31 | Psi-Jack | enouf: it's not.. errors=remount-ro, I was wondering why it defaulted that during install. |
| 15:50.37 | Psi-Jack | abrotman: Correct. |
| 15:50.51 | enouf | Psi-Jack: because that's the default? why wouldn't it? |
| 15:50.51 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: what's wrong with that in your fstab? |
| 15:51.02 | racecar56 | is there a way to verify if the blacklist is working without having to reboot? |
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| 15:51.26 | abrotman | racecar56: you could cycle the power |
| 15:51.31 | enouf | racecar56: modprobe -r <modulename> ; ... ummm |
| 15:51.31 | Psi-Jack | Well, to use errors=remount-ro, there should be something to at least try to repair it in place, but does Debian have that setup to work, so it can potentially auto-recover and remount-rw? |
| 15:51.42 | enouf | racecar56: wait .. |
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| 15:53.05 | enouf | racecar56: not that i can think of, offhand - especially if you blacklisted something in initramfs |
| 15:53.07 | chellomere | Psi-Jack, to me, fscking a mounted file system, even tho it's mounted ro, sounds like a bad idea |
| 15:53.37 | racecar56 | enouf: kk |
| 15:53.38 | Psi-Jack | chellomere: fscking a readonly filesystem is fine, it's fscking it in rw that's extremely dangerous. |
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| 15:54.11 | Psi-Jack | But to just outright remount-ro, without DOING anything about it, is silly. |
| 15:54.13 | enouf | Psi-Jack: ext3 will spit out a nasty message should one try to fsck while mounted (IINM) |
| 15:54.29 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Yes, mounted, rw, but not ro. |
| 15:54.37 | enouf | Psi-Jack: not really - it's a safety mechanism, wouldn't you say? |
| 15:54.53 | enouf | Psi-Jack: no, even mounted ro, IIRC |
| 15:55.22 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Not unless it does something, then it's just a serious bother on servers, because nothing can be written, and nothing's being done to fix it. LOL |
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| 15:55.51 | chellomere | Psi-Jack, at least it prevents further damage. |
| 15:55.53 | enouf | Psi-Jack: obviously, if there are FS issues, you wouldn't want to keep writing errors, and possibly cause MUCH MORE damage, right? |
| 15:55.54 | Psi-Jack | enouf: For years, I've setup self-jhealing ext3 systems, using this very same method, but making a script that checks the mounts for ro, and fscks them. |
| 15:55.57 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: if there's a problem with the filesystem .. you probably shouldn't keep changing it |
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| 15:56.25 | enouf | Psi-Jack: are you promoting live fsck's or something? .. along the lines of ZFS, btrfs, even maybe xfs |
| 15:56.42 | Psi-Jack | enouf: You can't live fsck xfs. Heh |
| 15:56.47 | enouf | self-healing .. hrm ... |
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| 15:56.55 | enouf | Psi-Jack: and? |
| 15:57.21 | chellomere | Psi-Jack, I wouldn't bet that fs drivers 'like' reading an inconsistent file system. or that everything works out as it should if you attempt it, with missing and/or corrupt files being read by user-space apps. |
| 15:57.26 | Psi-Jack | enouf: errors=remount-ro, is good, yes. But to do nothing about it, is bad. I was curious if Debian had even done anything like fscking it when it's remounted ro like that. |
| 15:57.33 | eagles0513875 | hey guys im having some issues here i did a net install with the bass system and for some reason im trying to add the user account i added to the sudoers group on the command line how do i go about doing that |
| 15:57.55 | chellomere | Psi-Jack, it's much better to remount-ro than to do nothing. |
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| 15:59.04 | enouf | Psi-Jack: that's what /etc/fstab is for, so when you reboot, it auto fscks - or you can use tune2fs to alter settings according to mount amounts, mount times |
| 15:59.30 | JohannesSM64 | so, i checked my iceweasel plugins (still clean debian install) and it appears i have "shockwave flash 9" |
| 15:59.31 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Yeah, but with a / filesystem, it's ALWAYS got to fsck while mounted. |
| 15:59.32 | enouf | Psi-Jack: or 'touch /forcefsck' is a bit of a debianism? |
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| 15:59.39 | JohannesSM64 | any idea why youtube videos lag so much? |
| 15:59.45 | enouf | rgrep forcefsck /etc/init.d/ |
| 16:00.02 | abrotman | JohannesSM64: about:plugins .. what is the file that is actually doing the flash ? |
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| 16:01.06 | JohannesSM64 | abrotman: shockwave flash |
| 16:01.19 | enouf | Psi-Jack: well - but it's locked ... down tight ;-) |
| 16:01.30 | abrotman | JohannesSM64: it gives you an actual filename |
| 16:01.50 | JohannesSM64 | abrotman: application/x-shockwave-flash |
| 16:01.59 | bubsy | no, that's the mime :P |
| 16:02.14 | enouf | Psi-Jack: and knows if it can then remount rw to make apropos alterations |
| 16:02.27 | abrotman | JohannesSM64: no, it really gives a filename |
| 16:02.29 | bubsy | I think he want the filename of the actual plugin |
| 16:02.35 | JohannesSM64 | oh |
| 16:02.51 | JohannesSM64 | libswfdecmozilla.so |
| 16:02.52 | abrotman | JohannesSM64: it says "File Name:" and then spits out a file |
| 16:02.57 | abrotman | JohannesSM64: that's not real flash |
| 16:03.04 | bubsy | free-flash :> |
| 16:03.26 | bubsy | install the adobe flash plugin |
| 16:03.33 | abrotman | !tell JohannesSM64 about adobe flash |
| 16:03.35 | bubsy | you might want to add some repos |
| 16:04.12 | eagles0513875 | how can i add a user to another group on the command line |
| 16:04.23 | abrotman | eagles0513875: man adduser |
| 16:04.23 | enouf | eagles0513875: gpasswd -a user group |
| 16:04.24 | bubsy | useradd -g usergroup |
| 16:04.33 | enouf | logout/login eagles0513875 |
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| 16:04.47 | abrotman | newgrp ? |
| 16:04.52 | bubsy | groupadd |
| 16:04.59 | eagles0513875 | i did a net install and im building my install from the ground up |
| 16:05.01 | bubsy | groupadd masters |
| 16:05.05 | eagles0513875 | just have a base debian install |
| 16:05.07 | enouf | newgrp shouldn't be used in most cases |
| 16:05.07 | bubsy | useradd jenz -g masters |
| 16:05.07 | bubsy | or so |
| 16:05.10 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Well, it's just the same as remounting ro, fscking, and on error level 0 of that, remounting rw again, self-healing. |
| 16:05.13 | eagles0513875 | need to add the user to the sudoers group |
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| 16:05.44 | Psi-Jack | enouf: fsck runs at the lowlevel, it doesn't care what it's mounted as, it just does it's job. |
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| 16:06.00 | enouf | Psi-Jack: i know not too much about all the internal specifics - perhaps you want to send ted t'so an email ;-) or /join their mailing list |
| 16:06.51 | Psi-Jack | Heh. Well, I think I'll implement my self-healing system into this. I was just surprised to see debian defaulted to using errors=remount-ro, usually when people do that, they actually have a similar approach like I did. auto-fscking, and returning to live again. |
| 16:07.02 | Psi-Jack | It's kinda silly not to. |
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| 16:08.28 | phlux | k I love Debian's update manager and everything, but why does it seem I have to use "Smart Upgrade" every single time I run it? |
| 16:08.35 | enouf | Psi-Jack: how could it 'fix' anything without having rw access/permission? i don't see how you do your self-healing thing, since remounting / ro and maintaining a current running system isn't easy - i'd like to see your script(s) |
| 16:08.55 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Like I said, fsck works lowlevel, it doesn't work at the mount level. |
| 16:08.55 | eagles0513875 | how can i view a list of groups that exist on my machine |
| 16:09.12 | enouf | Psi-Jack: that's not what i said - lowlevel what? |
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| 16:09.30 | lumis | tis a long shot, but have any Brits got wvdial working with a Tesco Mobile PAYG phone? |
| 16:09.34 | enouf | Psi-Jack: it works at block layer level you mean? if so, say so |
| 16:09.49 | Psi-Jack | enouf: It works directly with the raw data on the device given. Yes, the block device directly. |
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| 16:10.05 | phlux | lumis: for wireless internet? |
| 16:10.13 | enouf | and so - show me what you do to remount ro and perform a fsck |
| 16:10.13 | lumis | phlux: yup |
| 16:10.14 | bubsy | so I compiled the rt73 drivers on debian, and I get the wlan0 in iwconfig blah.. still can't lookup dnses, nor ping my own router :P |
| 16:10.15 | bubsy | http://dpaste.org/AKnL/ |
| 16:10.20 | bubsy | some important configs |
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| 16:10.44 | enouf | i haveto atleast init 1 for starters, whenever i attempted it |
| 16:10.49 | Der_Trolly | ey alta ey |
| 16:10.52 | phlux | lumis: I'm in the US, but I've had success using pppd with wireless phones.. perhaps you should give that a shot |
| 16:11.01 | Der_Trolly | wat is debian dürn zeugs? |
| 16:11.15 | Der_Trolly | ey |
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| 16:11.26 | bubsy | Der_Trolly: English please... |
| 16:11.37 | Der_Trolly | hä? wat willse? |
| 16:11.45 | ikonia | !ops Der_Trolly just trolled #ubuntu and got banned |
| 16:11.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ikonia complains about: Der_Trolly just trolled #ubuntu and got banned |
| 16:11.47 | Psi-Jack | enouf: For example, look at man fsck, notice the error levels, 0 for no errors, 1 for filesystem errors /corrected/, 2 the system should be rebooted, 4, errors left uncorrected. 8 operational error.. These are bitwise, if you notice. |
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| 16:11.53 | lumis | phlux: I managed to do it with a friend's contract mobile... also, as far as I can tell, wvdial acts as a sort of front-end to pppd, judging by the console messages |
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| 16:12.05 | ikonia | abrotman: expect pm's now |
| 16:12.17 | abrotman | ikonia: okay |
| 16:12.21 | cmanns_ | any1 use 6.0? |
| 16:12.30 | abrotman | who is any1 ? |
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| 16:13.02 | cmanns_ | sigh |
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| 16:13.19 | Psi-Jack | enouf: So, with my self-healing script, it checks the return status of fsck on the remounted drives it's watching for, if it determines there were errors, but corrected, it will remount it rw, and email me what all it had done. If it needs to reboot to finish, it could go ahead and signal the reboot process. |
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| 16:13.40 | bubsy | frankly, I didn't notice "troll" in his nickname until now |
| 16:13.44 | bubsy | it figures, really |
| 16:14.03 | Psi-Jack | enouf: This is one of the reasons I have multiple redundant smtp servers too, so even if the main mail server system is the one effected, it can pass the email to another one which will relay it back to it when the system's back online. ;) |
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| 16:16.42 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 16:17.43 | fxiny | enouf: have you done with ls color ? |
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| 16:18.47 | ohmy | hello |
| 16:19.06 | TrueDD | Hi enouf |
| 16:19.10 | TrueDD | hello ohmy |
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| 16:21.35 | ohmy | I have installed debian testing on vmware (...) and i have some troubles with hgfs module (vmhgfs FATAL module vmhgfs not found). I don"t know if it's the appropriate chanel, please give me your feedback if you know this subject. |
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| 16:22.15 | Titan8990 | ohmy, that means you haven't installed the vmhgfs module, although, i have no idea what it is |
| 16:22.16 | ohmy | i have installed using both methods : the one provided by vmware and http://cldoten.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/installing-the-vmware-tools-in-ubuntu-debian-from-deb-archives/ |
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| 16:22.59 | Titan8990 | ohmy, that article says ubuntu/debian.... but it really means only ubuntu |
| 16:23.14 | ohmy | Titan8990, yes i know :( |
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| 16:23.48 | Titan8990 | ohmy, shouldn't be too difficult... there is a binary for vmware tools that works on all distros |
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| 16:24.29 | Titan8990 | well... not a full binary because it does compile the module using your kernel sources |
| 16:24.38 | ohmy | Titan8990, yes, as i have said i have installed this first but i didn"t find the vmhgfs module, and lsmod | grep vm didn"t shot any of the installed modules |
| 16:24.56 | Titan8990 | lsmod doesn't show installed modules |
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| 16:25.13 | Titan8990 | it shows currently IN USE modules.... modprobe -l will list all available modules |
| 16:25.17 | criacuervo | hello |
| 16:25.20 | criacuervo | hi |
| 16:25.30 | ohmy | Titan8990, my linux deskop crashes and i have to work with vmware few days and i really need to have an access to shared folder functionality |
| 16:25.30 | criacuervo | i have a very newbie question! |
| 16:25.44 | criacuervo | if anybody can help |
| 16:25.59 | Titan8990 | ohmy, if you set up bridged networking you can just use ftp or something to transfer between the vm and the host |
| 16:26.07 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 16:26.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:26.41 | criacuervo | ok |
| 16:26.47 | ohmy | Titan8990, Of course, i don"t know how i have absolutely forgotten this, thank you very much |
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| 16:27.27 | criacuervo | in the console the words are too big , how do i set them in a normal size? |
| 16:27.48 | gimbal | modprobe -l ... that sure beats using find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) heh |
| 16:28.20 | criacuervo | im on debian 5.0 |
| 16:28.24 | criacuervo | in the console the words are too big , how do i set them in a normal size? |
| 16:28.27 | Titan8990 | criacuervo, you mean the tty console or a terminal emulator? |
| 16:29.18 | criacuervo | console, i try to set vga=791 as i use to do in fedora but is already done it in /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 16:29.41 | criacuervo | yes tty |
| 16:30.15 | Titan8990 | criacuervo, although this isn't debian specific, this is the best guide i know of for framebuffer configuration: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Framebuffer |
| 16:30.28 | Titan8990 | criacuervo, which adjusts the appearance of your tty |
| 16:30.59 | Titan8990 | criacuervo, just ignore the parts about needing to add features to your kernel :p |
| 16:31.31 | criacuervo | ok,thx! |
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| 16:35.24 | criacuervo | names |
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| 16:37.20 | racecar56 | how do i make a debian package also place menu entries |
| 16:38.57 | chellomere | racecar56, freedesktop menu entries or debian menu entries? |
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| 16:39.12 | racecar56 | chellomere: both, i guess, i want it to be as compatible as possible |
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| 16:41.13 | Georgius | Hello, does anybody know what is called in Debian Etch after wake up (after RAM-sleep) ? I would like to hook my routine just after the wakeup ... |
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| 16:41.56 | abrotman | s2ram? |
| 16:42.45 | chellomere | racecar56, for freedesktop menu entries: include a .desktop file and install it into /usr/share/applications. I actually never installed any debian menu entries. |
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| 16:43.01 | racecar56 | chellomere: kk, thanks |
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| 16:44.07 | eagles0513875 | O_O how on earth is debian still on kde 3.5..10 O_O |
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| 16:44.51 | Georgius | abrotman ?? |
| 16:44.57 | badcloud_ | how do I locate a usb sound card connected to my pc? |
| 16:45.07 | badcloud_ | I want to channel mpd output to it |
| 16:45.07 | JPT | eagles0513875: i don't like kde4, so it's fine :) |
| 16:45.07 | eagles0513875 | badcloud_: lsusb should bring up a list of usb devices |
| 16:45.13 | eagles0513875 | i do like kde4 |
| 16:45.14 | eagles0513875 | lol |
| 16:45.24 | Psi-Jack | eagles0513875: www.kde.org has packages for 4.3.0 |
| 16:45.31 | abrotman | eagles0513875: because kde4 wasn't stable when lenny released |
| 16:45.34 | eagles0513875 | i know Psi-Jack |
| 16:45.37 | abrotman | and some would argue it still isn't |
| 16:45.40 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: gotcha |
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| 16:45.43 | eagles0513875 | it has come a long way |
| 16:45.46 | eagles0513875 | i can see on kubuntu |
| 16:45.47 | badcloud_ | eagles0513875, I only get a description of the device, not it's location |
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| 16:46.04 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, KDE 4.3 is awesome. ;) |
| 16:46.05 | badcloud_ | how do I find it's location on the rootfs? |
| 16:46.08 | eagles0513875 | badcloud_: there is a command which escapes me though |
| 16:46.14 | anwoke | whats the best way to create an antivirus gateway on my firewall system |
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| 16:46.32 | eagles0513875 | if anything im going to strip back down to the net install that i had once i add my user to the sudoers group and build from source |
| 16:46.32 | ihategfw | what else can i do with an ssh account? |
| 16:46.44 | eagles0513875 | hehe ihategfw lots :) |
| 16:46.45 | Psi-Jack | JPT: The thing I hated most about KDE 3.x and prior was arts. heh |
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| 16:47.09 | JPT | hmm |
| 16:47.10 | heyuxiang | hi |
| 16:47.10 | JPT | arts.. |
| 16:47.13 | JPT | what's arts.. |
| 16:47.23 | eagles0513875 | ya but i must say open suse did a good job in takeing the current menu look that is in kde4 and adding it to their version of kde3 |
| 16:47.23 | JPT | sound |
| 16:47.23 | ihategfw | heyuxiang: hi |
| 16:47.27 | Georgius | what is called in Debian Etch after wake up (after RAM-sleep) ? |
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| 16:47.36 | heyuxiang | ihategfw: :P what's up |
| 16:47.54 | Psi-Jack | JPT: The software sound mixer, and they adapted it further in KDE 3.x to also be the active ... What would you call it.... Watchdog? arts would be the program to tell you a program crashed. |
| 16:48.20 | enouf | Psi-Jack: sorry, was afk - now, a) why would debian have a special tool or way to autofsck a live ext2/3 FS over any other distro, and b) note in man e2fsck(8) what those error codes say; 2 says '/corrected/ + System reboot required', now why would it need to reboot if all errors are correctable without a reboot? |
| 16:48.21 | JPT | Psi-Jack: well..it works for me, so it's fine ;) |
| 16:48.29 | enouf | TrueDD: aloha :-p |
| 16:48.40 | enouf | fxiny: huh? you mean my pastebin? |
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| 16:48.45 | TrueDD | :) |
| 16:48.52 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Why does Debian have a tool for bash completion, over every other distro, that breaks just because you login with /bin/sh instead of bash? :p |
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| 16:49.24 | enouf | Psi-Jack: a tool for bash completion? that |
| 16:49.27 | enouf | s news to me |
| 16:49.29 | heyuxiang | well |
| 16:49.30 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: is /bin/sh pointing to bash? it now defaults to dash i believe |
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| 16:49.39 | Psi-Jack | abrotman: Not in Lenny it's not. |
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| 16:49.51 | dtoliaferro | Hi, how do I find packages that have been compiled for the ARM processor? |
| 16:50.02 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Yeah, chsh to /bin/sh, and login, try typing cd <tab tab> |
| 16:50.03 | enouf | Psi-Jack: bourne sh is not bourne again sh |
| 16:50.07 | Shadowcat | anyone using an Intel Gigabit nic here? |
| 16:50.14 | Psi-Jack | enouf: sh is symlinked to bash. |
| 16:50.14 | Shadowcat | I'm getting this error: 2009-08-29 18:17:54oraclekernel[78356.816199] e1000: eth0: e1000_clean_tx_irq: Detected Tx Unit Hang |
| 16:50.17 | enouf | csh isn't bash either |
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| 16:50.24 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: just making sure |
| 16:50.32 | abrotman | dtoliaferro: you want all of them ? |
| 16:50.36 | enouf | yes, readlink -f /bin/sh |
| 16:50.46 | dtoliaferro | Yes |
| 16:50.49 | dtoliaferro | abchirk, yes. |
| 16:50.52 | dtoliaferro | please |
| 16:50.59 | abchirk | ok |
| 16:51.04 | Shadowcat | http://www.pastebin.ca/1547304 |
| 16:51.08 | Shadowcat | here's the stack trace |
| 16:51.10 | abrotman | dtoliaferro: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-arm/Packages.bz2 |
| 16:51.11 | fxiny | enouf: is ls ok now ? |
| 16:51.22 | abrotman | dtoliaferro: that's in 'main' .. there is also contrib/non-free |
| 16:51.28 | enouf | fxiny: i guess so :-P |
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| 16:51.42 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Anyway. Yeah, Debian has a lot of specific debianized tweaks and scripts. There's no reason why not to apply further enhancements, so long as they're good and work as properly expected. |
| 16:51.44 | dtoliaferro | Oops, I'm sorry. |
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| 16:51.48 | Psi-Jack | enouf: To your question earlier. ;) |
| 16:51.52 | dtoliaferro | abrotman, thanks a lot! |
| 16:52.21 | luke1704 | Hello everybody. I would like to build brscan on arm architecture, but ./configure fails: checking host system type ... armv5tel-unknown-linux-gnu. Does anybody know what I have to do? |
| 16:52.28 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Why fsck would report it needs to reboot? Not sure. I believe it's mostly just for when the drive was mounted at all, it has to allow a clean refresh cycle to insure absolute integrity. |
| 16:52.30 | enouf | Psi-Jack: i'm just saying; ext2/3 stuffs is mostly in-kernel related - not distro-specific, AFAIU |
| 16:52.44 | Psi-Jack | enouf: e2fsck isn't kernel related at all. |
| 16:52.52 | eagles0513875 | anyone willing to help me after another reinstall try and get my user added to the sudoers group for some reason it doesnt want to work for me :( the commands that i have found on google as well as what i was given in here |
| 16:52.52 | enouf | really? what |
| 16:53.02 | enouf | s all that code doing in there? |
| 16:53.09 | Psi-Jack | enouf: USING the filesystem, is kernel related, but the tools to repair, ane make, etc.. Are gnu software tools. |
| 16:53.35 | enouf | erm ... i think you might want to review some kernel source |
| 16:53.37 | fxiny | enouf: ok then , i just made a quick bash ls only jail to check it , a /root/.bashrc is enough |
| 16:53.48 | enouf | fxiny: ahh ..thanks |
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| 16:54.08 | Psi-Jack | enouf: You don't even need ext3 support compiled into the kernel, to mkfs.ext3, or fsck ext3. |
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| 16:54.39 | enouf | how about JBD? |
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| 16:54.56 | Psi-Jack | What about Just a Bunch of Disks? |
| 16:54.59 | fxiny | enouf: look in my dining room :P |
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| 16:55.02 | Psi-Jack | Oh, waitm, that's JBoD ;) |
| 16:55.14 | enouf | Journal Block Device |
| 16:55.31 | Psi-Jack | enouf: That's, again, part of using the filesystem itself, which is kernel level. |
| 16:55.40 | enouf | how abuot kjournald and pdflush? |
| 16:55.58 | racecar56 | chellomere: it dosen't create it when i install the deb, but i'm already bad at making debs :P |
| 16:56.00 | Psi-Jack | Those are, again, kernel interfaces for ext3, for using the ext3 filesystem and it's journaling features. |
| 16:56.14 | enouf | and? the kernel isn't needed / used when fscking? |
| 16:56.24 | eagles0513875 | does current release of debian support ext4 |
| 16:56.28 | Psi-Jack | enouf: They are still not needed to make/format, or fsck the filesystem. |
| 16:56.39 | enouf | They? |
| 16:57.01 | Psi-Jack | enouf: kjournald, pdflush, kernel |
| 16:57.08 | enouf | Psi-Jack: i don;'t want to argue - and this is going in circles now anyway |
| 16:57.37 | enouf | besides - got IRL things to do |
| 16:57.38 | Psi-Jack | enouf: Only because you don't know fsck, and mkfs.extX are 100% independant of the kernel. ;) |
| 16:57.49 | chellomere | racecar56, you _have to_ cp a file into debian/$PKGNAME/path/to/file (if using standard debian package-creating tools) for it to be included in the final .deb. |
| 16:57.50 | enouf | Psi-Jack: if you say so |
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| 16:58.29 | racecar56 | chellomere: i am making it the -very old- way, with dpkg -b |
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| 16:58.41 | racecar56 | chellomere: cause i'm bad at making debs |
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| 17:00.42 | chellomere | racecar56, ugh. better use dh_make and debuild, it automates stuff for you and creates example scripts and control files. |
| 17:01.08 | racecar56 | chellomere: i hope it's easy, i was hardly able to make this old deb |
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| 17:03.47 | chellomere | !tell racecar56 about nm-guide |
| 17:04.07 | chellomere | !tell racecar56 about maint-guide |
| 17:04.40 | chellomere | racecar56, read and learn. |
| 17:04.52 | racecar56 | chellomere: thanks |
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| 17:05.27 | racecar56 | chellomere: the real part where deb packaging gets me is using ar, i can't do anything but extract with ar |
| 17:06.11 | chellomere | racecar56, ar a |
| 17:06.35 | chellomere | racecar56, but this will be automated for you if you choose to use the helper tools and not insist on creating the package manually |
| 17:06.47 | racecar56 | chellomere: ar a <name of files in order like man deb says>? |
| 17:07.04 | cmanns_ | What happens on a debian box if the main drive fills? |
| 17:07.12 | cmanns_ | I might have a issue untargz'ing this file :( |
| 17:07.33 | chellomere | racecar56, archive [member...] as man ar says, I believe |
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| 17:08.41 | racecar56 | chellomere: in that maint-guide thing, it's saying stuff about the debian directory, does that mean this is how to make that *old* type of deb |
| 17:09.09 | chellomere | racecar56, no. |
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| 17:09.17 | racecar56 | chellomere: k |
| 17:09.45 | chellomere | racecar56, this is the 'format' dpkg-buildpackage uses |
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| 17:09.59 | reaktae | has anybody seen their compiler (gcc) go crazy and start giving "error: âSOME_RANDOM_VARâ was not declared in this scope" with whatever they try to compile? is there an easy fix to this? |
| 17:10.08 | gimbal | cmanns_: depends on a few factors; general answer would be, some things stop working like they're supposed to (e..g mail, and anything else needing to store files on the thusly filled partition) |
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| 17:10.43 | gimbal | ...well, that is, on the filesystem on the partition, to be more accurate ^-^ |
| 17:11.22 | chellomere | racecar56, if you want to create packages that should be included in debian, you will want to read the reference too as well as the nm guide -- and you _must_ be able to provide a source package (one that dpkg-buildpackage can build) |
| 17:11.57 | chellomere | reaktae, have you modified system headers? ^_^ |
| 17:11.59 | gimbal | reaktae: the compiler's output prior to that might help explain the situation. could be another issue leading to that, an issue that would've come up earlier during the compilation process |
| 17:12.13 | racecar56 | chellomere: it's not going to be on debian, i don't dare to put any of my stuff there because i'm so inexperienced :P |
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| 17:13.00 | chellomere | racecar56, creating a proper source package will help you maintain your package anyway, and it's much more convenient than messing with dpkg -b and ar |
| 17:13.40 | racecar56 | chellomere: k, thanks for the info |
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| 17:15.48 | reaktae | chellomere, gimbal: i definitely didn't modify the headers intentionally. here's what i've been doing: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/261519/. prior to installing libavcodec-dev, libavformat-dev, libpcre3-dev and libbz2-dev, I could compile just fine. Removing these afterwards didn't help. |
| 17:15.56 | reaktae | gimbal: sorry for such a weak start.. |
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| 17:18.01 | giugulare | ciao |
| 17:18.02 | giugulare | !List |
| 17:18.02 | dpkg | giugulare: VATTENE VIA |
| 17:18.07 | giugulare | xk? |
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| 17:18.26 | c0ky | is away (Offline.........) |
| 17:18.27 | giugulare | perkè io voglio restare |
| 17:18.40 | giugulare | f |
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| 17:18.48 | jelly-home | !dpkg++ |
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| 17:19.30 | xomas | mhhm |
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| 17:21.13 | racecar56 | chellomere: i'm still having trouble getting menu entries working, probably because it's not keeping up-to-date with the menu entries |
| 17:21.33 | racecar56 | chellomere: the menu thing has out of date cache or something |
| 17:22.29 | chellomere | reaktae, errno is supposed to be defined in errno.h. you can check whether the source code includes that file, and that it is defined in errno.h. |
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| 17:23.39 | Shadowcat | does anyone know how to disable tso for a nic? |
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| 17:26.22 | enouf | man ethtool ; tso on|off |
| 17:26.31 | karme | enouf: he is already gone |
| 17:26.44 | enouf | aye |
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| 17:27.33 | karme | Shadowcat: <enouf> man ethtool ; tso on|off |
| 17:27.46 | Shadowcat | thanks karihre |
| 17:27.50 | Shadowcat | karme* |
| 17:27.58 | dutchfish | hi, where can i read up how the debian stock kernels are build ie is it the make-kpkg way? |
| 17:28.21 | enouf | dutchfish: no, not the official kernel team |
| 17:28.42 | dutchfish | enouf, where cna i find info on it (the kernel team way)? |
| 17:28.47 | enouf | dutchfish: they use make-dpkg or something similarly named - ask in -kernel |
| 17:29.03 | Psi-Jack | Well, at least I got my NIS stuff squared away. heh |
| 17:29.04 | enouf | dutchfish: on OFTC |
| 17:29.11 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, thanks |
| 17:29.34 | reaktae | chellomere: As a correction - removing all of those DOES fix the problem, I skipped just this one libavcodec-dev, which automatically installs libavutil-dev, libdc1394-22-dev, libgsm1-dev, libogg-dev, libraw1394-dev, libtheora-dev and libvorbis-dev along. removing all the other packages compile in just fine, but with libavcodec-dev, i've come to this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/261542/. |
| 17:30.03 | Psi-Jack | Now, I just gotta figure out of virtualmin/webmin will let me use macros on the after-adding-user process, so I can initiate ACLs. :) |
| 17:30.09 | chellomere | reaktae, on an aside, are you on debian or ubuntu? |
| 17:30.50 | cmanns | heyyy |
| 17:30.54 | reaktae | chellomere: i'm lenny, that's why i'm compiling this. |
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| 17:31.13 | cmanns | so would untar'ing a archive, but your short 800mb of space would it just put it in memory and then i could delete the archive? |
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| 17:31.34 | chellomere | cmanns, put it on a tmpfs. |
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| 17:31.41 | chellomere | reaktae, ok |
| 17:31.43 | reaktae | chellomere: and no, the zoneminder source doesn't include errno.h |
| 17:31.44 | enouf | dutchfish: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/#_dists_trunk_ might be useful to browse as well ;-) but i'm sure they can guide you |
| 17:32.08 | dutchfish | enouf, thnak you again Sir :) |
| 17:32.17 | ekontsevoy | Does anyone konw if Thinkpad docking station works on Debian-derived distros? I need to get a few linux laptops with external monitor option ASAP for work. |
| 17:32.25 | chellomere | reaktae, it's not supposed to |
| 17:32.28 | cmanns | chellomere, its 4.8gb lol |
| 17:32.32 | _AnywhereIs_ | _2: greetz to internet space 4.*.*.* ;) |
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| 17:33.11 | _2 | shalom |
| 17:33.23 | dutchfish | ekontsevoy, Rx? |
| 17:33.40 | ekontsevoy | dutchfish: Tx |
| 17:33.40 | reaktae | chellomere: were you asking because of the pastebin i use? i just like its clean layout with no distractions. btt: where do i take it now? i really want to compile this. |
| 17:34.18 | enouf | dutchfish: i believe someone answered you over there ; note also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/README.build |
| 17:34.19 | chellomere | reaktae, but if it's using errno it's supposed to include errno.h, as in #include <errno.h>, and errno lives in /usr/include/ |
| 17:34.29 | enouf | dutchfish: welcome |
| 17:34.45 | dutchfish | ekontsevoy, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 17:34.56 | chellomere | reaktae, I'd believe it is a bug in that software you're compiling. it's supposed to #include <errno.h> if it wants to use errno. |
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| 17:35.37 | chellomere | reaktae, and yeah, I was asking because of that reason, we get too many people in here asking for help with ubuntu. |
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| 17:35.58 | _2 | woe. my [home] and [end] seem to be swapped o.O |
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| 17:36.58 | gimbal | _2: I've heard of that happening, and to imagine, some people can actually drive like that! hehe j/k |
| 17:37.12 | _2 | heh |
| 17:37.16 | disgrntld | Hi all, I'm trying to install plai language support in DrScheme 4.0.1 (stable version) but I think it's too old. Can someone confirm that's the problem and how to fix it? |
| 17:37.44 | chellomere | reaktae, of course, you'd have to look at the actual source code to make sure it is a bug in what you are trying to build. |
| 17:37.51 | disgrntld | I used: (require (planet plai/plai:1:3)) |
| 17:37.58 | gimbal | _2: my first guess would be that it has something to do with key mappings, whether in an app that you're noticing this in, or more broadly, in the xkeyboard configuration |
| 17:38.18 | gimbal | i guess, anyway; i'm just an apprentice... |
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| 17:38.32 | phlux | Anyone running Debian on a netbook? |
| 17:38.37 | phlux | I think the wife needs it. |
| 17:38.59 | chellomere | it is likely that someone is doing that. |
| 17:39.09 | phlux | She has XP on it, and she's infected with trojans |
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| 17:39.14 | chellomere | for info about specific laptop/netbook models, try for example tuxmobil.org |
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| 17:39.44 | abrotman | phlux: so install debian |
| 17:39.48 | chellomere | or /msg dpkg netbook |
| 17:39.59 | ekontsevoy | dutchfish: thanks, but I don't have the machine yet. I am shopping. But thanks anyway! |
| 17:40.15 | disgrntld | Ok, generalizing my question in hopes of a response: How do I pin DrScheme testing or unstable into my stable Debian? |
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| 17:40.33 | chellomere | disgrntld, you don't. you backport it. |
| 17:40.41 | chellomere | !tell disgrntld about ssb |
| 17:40.49 | disgrntld | chellomere: cool, reading that, thanks |
| 17:40.53 | rgr | is there a hotkey in debian (gnome) to reduce/increase screen res? |
| 17:41.04 | phlux | thanks :) |
| 17:41.05 | dutchfish | ekontsevoy, most R series work out of the box on debian, T series depends alot on wich video card |
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| 17:41.48 | dutchfish | ekontsevoy, if you dont get the exotic ones you should be fine |
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| 17:44.33 | gimbal | rgr: might want to look at xrandr; iirc there's a key-binding for it, but I can't remmeber offhand nor am I sure which docs to look in, to find it listed |
| 17:44.49 | anwoke | whats the best way to combine snort and clamav to turn my firewall/gateway into an antivirus gateway so it scans all incomming traffic |
| 17:45.22 | gimbal | and /me can't start any new x clients, atm. i guess it has to do with the dist upgrade going on |
| 17:45.30 | gimbal | so no gui browser ^-^ |
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| 17:47.24 | gimbal | anwoke: I'd suggest that the most thorough approach would involve reading the docs about snort, clamav, and whatever sort of firewall you're using on your gateway; and about the MTA you're using. One short road towards that end, I guess, would be to run a google search like so: snort clamav {name of MTA} |
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| 17:48.21 | gimbal | anwoke: as far as setting up the firewall to block the ports that trojans and malware use, assuming the firewall is driven on iptables and/or netfilter, I think I can dig up a reference about that, myself |
| 17:48.40 | anwoke | I already have clamav on my mta that runs on a different server |
| 17:48.48 | anwoke | firewall is iptables/shorewall |
| 17:49.02 | anwoke | and openvpn is also running on the same server for vpn access |
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| 17:49.49 | anwoke | so on the gateway I am just looking to combine snort and clamav so that it scans all internet traffic comming in and out to help make the network more secure |
| 17:50.07 | gimbal | no idea about how to configure firewalling for openvpn. afaik, as far as protection about viruses, all the gateway can do is block ports and filter email, in addition to its regular duties as a network gateway |
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| 17:50.37 | gimbal | i mean, the email filtering is of course a job for the mta, but maybe it would be running on the gateway, I dunno your config |
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| 17:51.05 | gimbal | anwoke: if you want to go any further, as far as net security, setting up an IDS - with monitoring - could be an option |
| 17:51.07 | anwoke | I run the firewall and openvpn on one server, and apache and postfix on another |
| 17:51.31 | anwoke | whats an IDS? |
| 17:51.56 | gimbal | intrusion detection system; supposedly would provide some level of monitoring for potential exploits on a host or network |
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| 17:52.18 | kevin01123 | Is it recommended to "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdxx" before encrypting a partition? |
| 17:52.19 | gimbal | and by that, I mean, some monitoring for if any existing exploits are about to be exploited, or are actively being exploited ^-^ |
| 17:52.30 | anwoke | ok may be intereted in setting that up as well |
| 17:52.39 | karme | which kernel is "newer": 2.6.18.dfsg.1-26 from etch-proposed-updates or 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24etch4 from security.debian.org ? |
| 17:53.06 | reaktae | chellomere: including errno.h didn't quite cut it, unfortunately, it seems that there are some major differences between the libraries zoneminder 1.24.2 needs and those available for lenny. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/261558/ what a shame! I want it so bad... |
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| 17:53.13 | gimbal | anwoke: there's bound to be some extensive docs about this kind of stuff; not sure where it would be found, but something's bound to be out there; sorry can't help on the docs end about it - I'm afraid that net security picks up some hype sometimes, is all I can say ^-^ |
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| 17:54.07 | reaktae | chellomere: on a second look: NOT that i added it :) |
| 17:54.26 | reaktae | chellomere: read: included it... |
| 17:54.42 | sash_ | anny known issues running firefox3.5 (installed in /opt) under lenny? |
| 17:54.47 | anwoke | I did a google search last night about combining snort and clamav but didnt' come up with anything that was too helpfull |
| 17:54.51 | Imperion | how would I install a new locale? |
| 17:55.01 | gimbal | anwoke: if you use squid as an http proxy, maybe you might want to look at http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/09/protection-from-malware-using-squid.html too; now that I look back at the scripts I have going for it, I see it's related to squid, not insomuch iptables |
| 17:55.19 | anwoke | never used squid |
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| 17:56.49 | anwoke | if we use squid, would we have to configure each client to use squid inorder to get on the internet |
| 17:56.59 | luke1704 | I am look for an instruction how to build sane (brscan) on debian-arm from the sources. It seems ./configure doesn't generate proper Makefiles... |
| 17:57.21 | gimbal | anwoke: indeed; if you can find out how to set up the kind of resources that allow clients to get their proxy information from over the network, maybe that would ease things some, in that regard, but I haven't looked into it |
| 17:57.25 | luke1704 | Does anybody know what to do? |
| 17:57.35 | gimbal | anwoke: of course, it's entirely optional |
| 17:57.51 | cmanns | Okay |
| 17:58.04 | cmanns | Anyone got a tut on high performance apache/php-fcgi? |
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| 17:58.12 | cmanns | Like which worker to use n such |
| 17:58.19 | cmanns | mpm* |
| 17:58.23 | anwoke | yeah, but if we don't configure for the proxy then it won't filter out the malware |
| 17:58.59 | gimbal | luke1704: I'm not familiar with x-compiling, but I noticed last night, there's a set of emdebian packages, e.g. emdebian-tools ; hope it helps |
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| 17:59.16 | luke1704 | thx! |
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| 17:59.46 | anwoke | is there a way to filter the malware with out using a proxy? |
| 18:00.08 | gimbal | anwoke: I'd like to think so, but now this just in bluesky talk, as far as I can see ^-^ |
| 18:00.36 | gimbal | anwoke: it involves filtering based on destinations of HTTP requests; a proxy would be particularly suited ot that task ^-^ |
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| 18:01.33 | anwoke | hrm, my business partner says he doesn't partically want a proxy |
| 18:01.53 | gimbal | cmans: i wouldn't say that picking a worker is entirely a matter of opinion, 'cos as little as I know of how each one works, I know there must be more to it than opinion ^-^ other than that, I guess it's just a matter of knowing the differences between the design of each worker, and making a judgement call about which one is suited to the particular requirements of a site's expected usage/environment/etc |
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| 18:02.10 | gimbal | for workers in the sense of apache worker ... parts ... i mean |
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| 18:02.20 | Jeeves_Moss | is there a good program that can be reccomended to read the ID3 tags on MP3s to help sort out duplicates? |
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| 18:03.21 | gimbal | Jeeves_Moss: I'm not sure if easytag supports that, in particular, but maybe it does. other than that, any given command-line ID3 tag reader and a particular application of 'sort' and 'uniqu' in the shell is what I'd recommend |
| 18:03.29 | genia4 | Hi. I have ss5 listening on port 8080 on my server. I'd like to set upsomething that would listen on various other ports, and forward all traffic to the running server (that is, connect to localhost on port 8080). What are my options? |
| 18:03.33 | anwoke | brb |
| 18:03.56 | gimbal | Jeeves_Moss: there may be another GUI ID3 tag reading app made with QT widgets or something, but I dunno |
| 18:04.06 | genia4 | xinetd can do the listening I presume (on-demand would be great), but what can I use to forward traffic? |
| 18:04.17 | Jeeves_Moss | gimbal, ahhh, I haven't been able to find one for Windows or Linux. I can't belive that people haven't had a need for this yet. I have over 100gb of music, and I know there are a lot of dups in there, but nothing I've found so far will sort it out |
| 18:04.18 | genia4 | ss5 does not support running through an inetd daemon |
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| 18:04.39 | gimbal | genia4: not sure what your config is, but if it's basic port forwarding you're looking for, I'd look into the docs about iptables |
| 18:04.43 | blast_hardcheese | genia4: The only thing I know for doing something like that would be iptables |
| 18:05.02 | reaktae | chellomere: i've gotta wrap it up. will be talking to #zoneminder some more about this. Thanks very much for all of your help! |
| 18:05.14 | genia4 | gimbal, blast_hardcheese: ssh can do something similar with -L, is it a good solution |
| 18:05.14 | gimbal | Jeeves_Moss: well, easytag supports a lot of features as far as ID3 tags (versions one and two) and it's got a nice gui, it does |
| 18:05.37 | blast_hardcheese | genia4: I thought you were after something permanent, ssh is good for temporary things |
| 18:05.39 | genia4 | gimbal, blast_hardcheese: can you be a little more specific, which part of iptables should I be reading about? |
| 18:05.41 | Jeeves_Moss | gimbal, ok, I'll have a look. thanks. I'm in windows right now doing some admin work, so I'll have a look when I reboot |
| 18:05.54 | genia4 | blast_hardcheese: yes, permanent and configurable. I want to list on a very wide variaty of ports |
| 18:06.04 | reaktae | chellomere: will give you a shout next time I see you around, when I'm done with this, if you're interested... |
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| 18:06.12 | gimbal | genia4: not sure what' you're looking for, but if it's *only* port forwarding, I would think that ssh wouldn't what you're looking for; ssh forwarding would be another ballgame ^-^ |
| 18:06.14 | chellomere | reaktae, sure :) |
| 18:06.18 | karme | diff showed that linux-source-2.6.18 version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24etch4 from security.debian.org is newer than 2.6.18.dfsg.1-26 from etch-proposed-updates |
| 18:06.43 | blast_hardcheese | genia4, Unfortunately I've found no "part" of iptables that you can learn, I've been trying to learn it without really putting much effort into it; I'm at the point where I can do fairly simple port forwards and set up simple laptops as routers and stuff. |
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| 18:07.03 | blast_hardcheese | Let me look at something I've written |
| 18:07.05 | genia4 | blast_hardcheese: can you tell me what kind of rules I should be looking at. |
| 18:07.30 | blast_hardcheese | I know what you were asking, I'm telling you I haven't been successful in just learning a little bit of it |
| 18:07.41 | gimbal | blast_harchese: my guess is that you'd have to modify rules within the iptables 'nat' table; other than that, there are a lot of docs about iptables that I've seen, and a lot of it is right in the iptables manual page, itself |
| 18:07.52 | blast_hardcheese | it seems like in-depth knowledge is required to construct something like this, unless you can get someone else to do it for you. One second please |
| 18:07.57 | gimbal | blast_hardcheese: ech, sorry about that ^-^ got my wires crossed |
| 18:08.00 | karme | is etch-proposed-updates dead? |
| 18:08.08 | genia4 | What you are offering is to have a rule that takes incoming traffic on port X, redirects it to localhost on port Y, right? |
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| 18:08.13 | genia4 | that's exactly NAT. |
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| 18:08.21 | blast_hardcheese | gimbal, No worries |
| 18:08.34 | gimbal | ^-^ schweet. high five hehehe |
| 18:08.48 | genia4 | Would my program (ss5) notice the difference. |
| 18:09.03 | blast_hardcheese | genia4, probably not; |
| 18:09.11 | genia4 | It doesn't need to create a connection back, it answers on the same connection (unlike active ftp), so it should be fine |
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| 18:09.31 | blast_hardcheese | This is something I have in my filter table: -A FORWARD -d 192.168.0.21/32 -i eth1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 993 -j ACCEPT |
| 18:10.02 | genia4 | gah I hate iptables syntax |
| 18:10.03 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, sorry, that's the accept line, let me get you the forward line |
| 18:10.07 | genia4 | I like the web interface on my router :) |
| 18:10.22 | genia4 | an accept like is like listening on a port? |
| 18:10.37 | genia4 | (sorry I'm asking all the stupid questions, I'll be on my way to google soon) |
| 18:10.40 | blast_hardcheese | -A PREROUTING -i eth<input interface> -p tcp -m tcp --dport <external port> -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.113:<internal port> |
| 18:11.03 | blast_hardcheese | There you go, that should work well enough, especially if you have all tables set to ACCEPT |
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| 18:11.17 | genia4 | blast_hardcheese: I don't have any iptables atm. |
| 18:11.34 | genia4 | blast_hardcheese: iptables is set to accept everything by default? |
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| 18:11.41 | blast_hardcheese | Yes |
| 18:11.48 | blast_hardcheese | I think |
| 18:11.57 | gimbal | genia4: well, they had to say it somehow ^-^ not sure if shorewall might make it easier, as an interface onto iptables configuration, but it's avaialble that I know of |
| 18:11.59 | genia4 | understood. |
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| 18:12.35 | blast_hardcheese | All of the iptables interfaces I've tried, (shorewall, firewhatever) have been complete garbage, other than the one that ships with dd-wrt |
| 18:12.36 | genia4 | My ISP severely throttles ports other than 80. |
| 18:12.44 | blast_hardcheese | That's cool |
| 18:12.51 | blast_hardcheese | s/cool/tremendously fail/ |
| 18:12.52 | genia4 | there is no single other port that works well |
| 18:12.53 | cmanns | :( |
| 18:13.02 | Sergio` | Hello! I found out today that I had rootd running with anonymous logins, that means I was hacked? |
| 18:13.05 | genia4 | sometimes 25 works well, sometimes 110, sometimes 8080 |
| 18:13.13 | genia4 | so I need my server to listen on a bunch of those :) |
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| 18:14.57 | blast_hardcheese | genia4, Good luck! |
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| 18:15.08 | genia4 | blast_hardcheese: thanks a lot for your help |
| 18:15.25 | genia4 | gimbal: you too |
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| 18:15.32 | blast_hardcheese | Happy to be able to assist, this channel has helped me enough |
| 18:15.41 | bubsy | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=44649 |
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| 18:16.47 | genia4 | blast_hardcheese: btw, why PREROUTING and not something else? |
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| 18:18.24 | genia4 | vps01:~# iptables -A PREROUTING -i venet0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 110 -j DNAT --to-destination 127.0.0.1:25 |
| 18:18.27 | genia4 | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. |
| 18:18.47 | Schroeder | genia4: you should really be using Slackware anyway |
| 18:19.12 | Schroeder | I mean, Slackware's up to version 13! Debian's only at what, 5? |
| 18:19.23 | Schroeder | plus, Debian was created by a Boilermaker, which should make every good Hoosier puke |
| 18:19.29 | Schroeder | friends don't let friends go to West Lafayette |
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| 18:23.45 | solars | hey, did anything regarding nw ifaces change in unstable? somehow wpa_supplicant is spamming all over syslog, not being able to connect, and I don't know why it is trying all the time |
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| 18:25.41 | sshd___ | Hello All, I have zqueeze AMD 64, how I can install Adobe Flash Player 10 ? |
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| 18:26.30 | abrotman | !dmm |
| 18:26.31 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 18:31.04 | Sergio` | abrotman: do you know? |
| 18:31.10 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:31.22 | abrotman | Sergio`: know what? |
| 18:31.32 | Sergio` | abrotman: I found out today that I had rootd running with anonymous logins, that means I was hacked? |
| 18:31.44 | abrotman | a rootd ? |
| 18:31.48 | Sergio` | Yup. |
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| 18:32.23 | Schroeder | Sergio`: you should really be using Slackware anyway...it doesn't have any security problems at all |
| 18:32.49 | abrotman | Schroeder: please don't troll |
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| 18:33.58 | Sergio` | It has a manpage and it says that it is a remote file server, I'm not sure if root is the one used to connect to it. |
| 18:34.08 | abrotman | Sergio`: what is the PPID ? |
| 18:34.32 | Sergio` | I know what's PID but what's PPID? |
| 18:34.37 | abrotman | Parent PID |
| 18:34.49 | Sergio` | Let me see. I'll run it again. |
| 18:34.53 | Schroeder | abrotman: please don't accuse me of trolling when I'm not |
| 18:35.03 | abrotman | Schroeder: you are, stop doing it |
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| 18:35.51 | Sergio` | abrotman: I don't think it has one. |
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| 18:36.39 | abrotman | Sergio`: there is a package that contains an actual file called rootd |
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| 18:36.51 | abrotman | Sergio`: do you have 'root-system-rootd' installed ? |
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| 18:37.16 | Sergio` | Yes. |
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| 18:38.44 | Sergio` | abrotman: I fixed the problem, I was just curious to know if it was some cracker that put it there to have access to my system or some other package that pulled it. |
| 18:38.58 | Sergio` | If some cracker could use it. |
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| 18:45.51 | wildc4rd_ | evening all |
| 18:48.10 | bubsy | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=44649&start=0 |
| 18:48.11 | bubsy | help me |
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| 18:48.27 | bubsy | "Access Point: Not-Associated" <-- should I have something there? :/ |
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| 18:50.00 | nineclock | hi |
| 18:50.51 | nineclock | how can i remove libgcj.so ? and gij (GNU libgcj) ? |
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| 18:51.26 | abrotman | remove the package |
| 18:51.35 | nineclock | from command line |
| 18:51.36 | songer | hello |
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| 18:51.49 | abrotman | nineclock: man aptitude .. you can do it with that tool |
| 18:52.07 | nineclock | ok ill try thaks |
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| 18:54.49 | nineclock | not remove the pack |
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| 19:06.19 | hiwk | any thoughts on removing /usr/share/doc/imagemagick without removing the imagemagick package? |
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| 19:06.33 | hiwk | is there a good way to do it? |
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| 19:08.05 | gimbal | hiwk: you can move/rename it with dpkg-divert. man 8 dpkg-divert ^-^ |
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| 19:11.51 | valdyn | hiwk: why do you want to remove it? |
| 19:12.00 | hiwk | to save space |
| 19:12.05 | bubsy | heh... |
| 19:12.24 | valdyn | hiwk: just remove it then |
| 19:12.56 | mhymn | 4.2MB here, is that a space anyway? |
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| 19:13.53 | hiwk | mine is 20 MB |
| 19:14.01 | hiwk | and my / is 3.7 GB |
| 19:14.06 | hiwk | (netbook) |
| 19:14.25 | valdyn | hiwk: nothing in /usr/share/doc is needed except for you to read, so remove it if you want |
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| 19:14.44 | hiwk | valdyn: will it screw up future package updates? |
| 19:14.49 | valdyn | hiwk: no |
| 19:14.53 | hiwk | yey |
| 19:15.03 | xyan | hiwk: localepurge is a nice tool to get rid of uneeded locales/docs/localisation files |
| 19:15.03 | hiwk | fetches the hatchet |
| 19:15.11 | valdyn | !localepurge |
| 19:15.14 | valdyn | oo |
| 19:15.24 | valdyn | hiwk: might want to look at localepurge too |
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| 19:16.39 | jhujhiti | how can i build a debian source package without making a deb? i'm testing a patch and i want to install it in place without messing with dpkg |
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| 19:20.38 | hiwk | "Total disk space freed by localepurge: 179860 KiB" nice, thanks xyan and valdyn |
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| 19:24.21 | mtaylor | hey all - export LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 ; ls --help is still spitting out english |
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| 19:24.30 | mtaylor | is there anything else special I'm supposed to do? |
| 19:24.51 | chellomere | is the locale generated? |
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| 19:25.12 | mtaylor | chellomere: /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo exists at least |
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| 19:25.29 | jelly-home | !locales |
| 19:25.29 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 19:25.34 | chellomere | mtaylor, is it selected in the list in dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 19:25.37 | Laney | es |
| 19:25.40 | Laney | oops |
| 19:25.49 | mtaylor | sweet. thanks jelly-home |
| 19:26.31 | jhujhiti | "mv: cannot overwrite non-directory `debian/python-kerberos.substvars' with directory `debian/python-kerberos.substvars.new'" -- neither of these is a directory. wtf? |
| 19:26.58 | Schroeder | jhujhiti: you should really be using Slackware anyway... |
| 19:27.06 | jhujhiti | .. |
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| 19:29.18 | solars | does anyone know if encfs is broken in unstable? |
| 19:29.39 | abrotman | check the BTS ? |
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| 19:29.50 | Psi-Jack | Now, how do you set the default umask for users system-wide? There a place for that? |
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| 19:29.58 | Psi-Jack | Heh |
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| 19:30.15 | Psi-Jack | abrotman: Nice call. |
| 19:30.18 | enouf | Psi-Jack: in /etc/profile |
| 19:30.23 | abrotman | jhujhiti: how do you know it's not a directory? it can't install it |
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| 19:30.38 | Psi-Jack | Ahh yes. |
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| 19:30.40 | Psi-Jack | There it is. |
| 19:30.50 | jhujhiti | abrotman: because ls tells me it's not a directory? and because i can cat it? |
| 19:31.04 | enouf | solars: isn;t ecryptfs the kernel one - encfs some redmond product? |
| 19:31.09 | abrotman | jhujhiti: it's trying to intsall a package ? |
| 19:31.17 | jhujhiti | abrotman: it's debuild |
| 19:31.17 | Psi-Jack | There we go. Was having an issue with virtual users and bsdgroups, it would still make files read-only without write, for say, if the webserver wrote a file. |
| 19:31.35 | solars | enouf, aeh what? |
| 19:32.25 | jelly-home | judd: info encfs |
| 19:32.26 | judd | jelly-home: encfs (utils): is optional; Version: 1.4.2-2; Size: 343.8k; Installed: 1164k -- encrypted virtual filesystem |
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| 19:33.13 | jeeves_Moss | how can I get the full graphic goodies enabled in compwiz? I have an aspireone laptop, and I can only get the first level of features enabled on this Intel card |
| 19:33.14 | solars | somehow after an upgrade, encfs terminates after a random amount of time.. |
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| 19:33.54 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+*/fs/ecryptfs/ecryptfs_kernel.h#L367 |
| 19:34.26 | solars | not sure if I can follow you enouf |
| 19:34.53 | solars | isn't ecryptfs for disc encryption |
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| 19:37.39 | blizzkid | Lo all. Would anyone have time and patience to walk me through a (imho simple) packaging? I have a script, I want to create a package, I need it to depend on at least version 2.0 of another package, and the script should be placed in /usr/bin upon apt-getting it. |
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| 19:39.14 | jelly-home | !mentors |
| 19:39.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 19:39.26 | jelly-home | blizzkid: just in case no one answers |
| 19:39.35 | blizzkid | ok, jelly-home I'll ask there too |
| 19:40.06 | blizzkid | jelly-home: invite only :( |
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| 19:40.37 | jelly-home | different irc network, #debian-mentors is on irc.debian.org |
| 19:40.46 | blizzkid | I see |
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| 19:47.46 | JyZyXEL | how do you input unicode characters in a terminal? |
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| 19:48.05 | chellomere | you... input them? |
| 19:48.11 | JyZyXEL | but with a keyboard |
| 19:48.16 | JyZyXEL | standard US keyboard |
| 19:48.34 | chellomere | that's terminal-specific I believe |
| 19:48.42 | JyZyXEL | examples? |
| 19:48.48 | JyZyXEL | xterm? |
| 19:49.09 | chellomere | with gtk-based you can do the standard ctrl-shift-u trick |
| 19:49.20 | chellomere | with xterm I dunno, but it doesn't support unicode anyway |
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| 19:59.14 | Incarus | how can i run chkrootkit under debian lenny (its installed, but i cant find it)? |
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| 20:00.46 | steampunkey | what's that about some "firmware [that] used to be in linux-image package but it was split out just sometime ago"? <-- got that from guys at #radeon. Lagging gfx. Anyone know what I'm talking about? |
| 20:01.00 | trumpen | Incarus, try /usr/sbin/chkrootkit but it may need root permissions |
| 20:01.17 | jelly-home | steampunkey: now in linux-firmware package |
| 20:01.30 | Titan8990_ | Incarus, whereis chkrootkit |
| 20:01.43 | Incarus | trumpen, file not found |
| 20:01.56 | Incarus | Titan8990_, i dont know (apt-get install chkrootkit) |
| 20:02.05 | Titan8990_ | Incarus, whereis is a command |
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| 20:02.16 | jelly-home | Incarus: dpkg -L packagename will list an installed package contents |
| 20:02.37 | steampunkey | jelly-home: i don't want any non-free stuff. everything used to work until few days ago. |
| 20:03.07 | jelly-home | steampunkey: you _need_ nonfree stuff if you want graphics on an r300 + card, as far as I can tell |
| 20:03.07 | gum2tux__ | how can i can find realplayer x64 ? |
| 20:03.09 | Incarus | trumpen, ok, is in /usr/sbin, thx |
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| 20:03.18 | Incarus | jelly-home, did help me, thx |
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| 20:03.42 | steampunkey | jelly-home: but why? makes no sense. there's no free 3d hw accel support anymore... |
| 20:04.24 | jelly-home | steampunkey: ask ati engineers |
| 20:04.43 | jelly-home | oh, and it's firmware-linux, sorry |
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| 20:05.56 | steampunkey | jelly-home: why them? |
| 20:06.00 | Incarus | is not infected |
| 20:06.18 | steampunkey | as i understand, the code that's now in firmware-linux was there forever |
| 20:06.35 | jelly-home | steampunkey: correct, and that code isn't free in DFSG sense |
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| 20:07.45 | steampunkey | jelly-home: why wasn't this addressed sooner? |
| 20:07.46 | jelly-home | shrugs |
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| 20:07.46 | steampunkey | we were all like: yaay free drivers, and now this. it's has become a fine trap. |
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| 20:08.04 | jelly-home | steampunkey: no idea. Personally I don't care that some pieces of hardware need nonfree firmeare. |
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| 20:08.53 | dutchfish | http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
| 20:09.04 | jelly-home | Hardware had nonfree firmware even back when it was burned in ROM |
| 20:09.09 | jelly-home | no one cared |
| 20:09.26 | steampunkey | well i care |
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| 20:09.35 | steampunkey | no compromise. |
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| 20:10.49 | jelly-home | steampunkey: you didn't seem to care enough to inspect earlier linux-image- packages if you only found out recently |
| 20:10.55 | dutchfish | steampunkey, what about your systems bios if i may ask? |
| 20:11.20 | jelly-home | dutchfish: oh noes! They're flashable too! With nonfree firmware! |
| 20:11.56 | jelly-home | steampunkey: you'd better get rid of all PC-compatible hardware. No compromise. |
| 20:12.12 | steampunkey | CoreBoot |
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| 20:12.28 | dutchfish | steampunkey, and your firmware in your nic and disk? |
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| 20:12.38 | enouf | and then confusion set in to the rabid monkey's brain |
| 20:12.43 | steampunkey | jelly-home: no, i trust Debian project to do that for me |
| 20:12.48 | steampunkey | according to DFSG |
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| 20:12.56 | steampunkey | better late then never |
| 20:12.58 | dutchfish | steampunkey, they did |
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| 20:13.30 | jelly-home | steampunkey: DFSG isn't absolute truth given to us on stone tablets |
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| 20:13.56 | steampunkey | so far it's done its job nicely |
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| 20:14.35 | jelly-home | yeah, getting rid of core devel GNU/Linux docs is "doing a nice job" |
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| 20:14.53 | superscion | hi i was looking to dl debian sid but there is 4 dvd's do i need them all? |
| 20:15.05 | dutchfish | steampunkey, we should keep it on topic, and stick with that what we have got so far, open source software, that does not auto-imply opensource hardware drivers, hence the confusion |
| 20:15.06 | superscion | 6 really. |
| 20:15.14 | steampunkey | superscion: just the first one for starters. |
| 20:15.19 | rudi_s | superscion: You need only the netinstall CD. |
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| 20:15.27 | rudi_s | (If you have an internet connection.) |
| 20:15.31 | steampunkey | dutchfish: drivers are software |
| 20:15.37 | steampunkey | and it's called free software |
| 20:15.44 | steampunkey | :-P |
| 20:16.00 | steampunkey | superscion: or that. |
| 20:16.09 | jelly-home | some free software is made for hardware that needs nonfree firmware to work. Deal with it, steampunkey |
| 20:16.23 | dutchfish | steampunkey, firmware 9as much is a would like it otherwise) are not/not yet open source most of the time |
| 20:16.30 | steampunkey | if there is no alternative, there isn't. if there is bad alternative, there's alternative |
| 20:16.37 | jelly-home | debian-legal is thata way -->; /me is quitting this discussion now |
| 20:16.48 | steampunkey | in each case we should not settle, and should code to improve the situation |
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| 20:17.41 | dutchfish | steampunkey, good point, but thats beyond the scope of a distro? |
| 20:18.07 | steampunkey | is that your suttle way to tell me to shut up about it already? ;-) |
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| 20:18.32 | dutchfish | steampunkey, no, i asked that as a question, because i frankly don't know |
| 20:18.48 | steampunkey | then i missed it. can you rephrase please? |
| 20:18.56 | dutchfish | steampunkey, good point, but thats beyond the scope of a distro? |
| 20:19.11 | steampunkey | what is? |
| 20:19.23 | steampunkey | i can't make a connection between what i said and what you asked. |
| 20:19.32 | dutchfish | steampunkey, coding on firmware exclusively |
| 20:19.48 | blast_hardcheese | steampunkey, "subtle", by the way. |
| 20:19.58 | steampunkey | exclusively? |
| 20:20.02 | steampunkey | blast_hardcheese: thx |
| 20:20.05 | blast_hardcheese | "suttle" isn't a word |
| 20:20.22 | dutchfish | steampunkey, sorry for my poor english |
| 20:20.52 | zinx | "suttle" is a word, it's just one that's not used anymore and isn't the one you want :P |
| 20:20.54 | steampunkey | i'd very mich like if you could make a whole sentence, from beginning to the end. |
| 20:21.19 | enouf | steampunkey: it's entirely comprehensible |
| 20:21.21 | steampunkey | distro's job, if i did understand you correctly is to separate non-free outside of the distro |
| 20:21.23 | blast_hardcheese | zinx: Anth? |
| 20:21.27 | enouf | 09:20 < steampunkey> in each case we should not settle, and should code to improve the situation |
| 20:21.30 | enouf | 09:21 < dutchfish> steampunkey, good point, but thats beyond the scope of a distro? |
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| 20:22.19 | dutchfish | enouf, thank you |
| 20:22.32 | steampunkey | he didn't help, i explicitly said that would not help. |
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| 20:23.25 | steampunkey | but let me try again (if noone cares to rephrase): i guess programming software isn't the distro's dev's job (unless it directly relates to distributing packages and stuff), but separating free from non-free is their job. |
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| 20:24.01 | dutchfish | steampunkey, let me rephrase what would be the place for fimrware development when it need to be open source all the way, the kernel, the distro, or other userland? |
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| 20:24.20 | cantoma | guys, the kernel headers that are installed by apt-get install where does the system places them? |
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| 20:24.46 | adb | /usr/src |
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| 20:25.17 | steampunkey | dutchfish: well firmware is a part of the distro, much like anything else. deving happenes outside of a distro. |
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| 20:25.32 | nickdaly | Are there any instructions on how to recover your system after installing ATI drivers? |
| 20:25.33 | steampunkey | wonders if his answers make sense |
| 20:25.36 | cantoma | adb, is empty |
| 20:26.05 | dutchfish | steampunkey, and exactly there i have a different opnion i.e. open source firmware should go into the kernel |
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| 20:26.23 | adb | cantoma: what was exact you command ? |
| 20:26.35 | enouf | steampunkey: firmware devel usually involves non-disclosure agreements, NDAs, if you have a way around thelegal mumbo jumbo, let's here it - or don't use non-free crap |
| 20:26.42 | steampunkey | dutchfish: well kernel is a part of the distro... (confused) |
| 20:26.52 | cantoma | abd: ls |
| 20:26.53 | _budo | anyone know of a lightweight pdf viewer which you can highlight text and maybe a few other additional features ? |
| 20:27.03 | steampunkey | enouf: the latter of course :-D |
| 20:27.04 | dutchfish | steampunkey, i admit this is a hairy subject and offtopic too |
| 20:27.11 | jelly-home | steampunkey: not all parts of it are, any more |
| 20:27.11 | nickdaly | @_budo: evince is a pretty good pdf viewer |
| 20:27.11 | adb | cantoma: nah , for installing |
| 20:27.24 | _budo | ok, ill check it out, thanks |
| 20:27.38 | superscion | how far behind is stable then testing? |
| 20:27.39 | steampunkey | jelly-home: there were kernel modules before. |
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| 20:28.07 | adb | steampunkey: you are off topic |
| 20:28.08 | steampunkey | he said "open source" firmware. non-free doesn't belong in the distro at all. |
| 20:28.24 | rudi_s | superscion: Far .. check packages.debian.org for versions. Once stable is released no new versions are released for stable. |
| 20:28.29 | steampunkey | adb: i think more people than just me are. do you want *us* to be quiet? |
| 20:28.32 | adb | steampunkey: so keep on topic here |
| 20:28.33 | jelly-home | steampunkey: I mean, some binaries generated from linux.tar.gz are not put in a firmware-linux package, which is not part of Debian |
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| 20:28.48 | cantoma | adb, you are right is not installed i just checked by dselect. I am asking it because vmware is asking for my kernel headers .. thats why |
| 20:29.04 | jelly-home | steampunkey: #debian-offtopic if you wish to continue somewhere else |
| 20:29.05 | superscion | rudi_s: ok i was looking for the netinstall for testing and cant find it so if i download dvd1 i will be ok? |
| 20:29.25 | steampunkey | ok, to #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:29.37 | superscion | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ is where iam at looking for netinstall |
| 20:29.43 | _budo | errrr evince needs gnome |
| 20:29.45 | dutchfish | steampunkey, again, i admit your desire, but it is as it is for now, and this isnt the place to discuss it |
| 20:30.14 | adb | dpkg: tell superscion -about netinstall |
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| 20:31.11 | nickdaly | @_budo: unfortunately, but it doesn't need a lot of it |
| 20:32.01 | steampunkey | dutchfish: we're in DOT |
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| 20:32.09 | adb | superscion: recommanded is installing base system on lenny ,and later move to something else |
| 20:32.38 | superscion | so you can do a base install of stable then move to unstable? |
| 20:33.08 | adb | unstable? unstable is sid |
| 20:33.17 | superscion | yeah thats what iam looking for. |
| 20:33.22 | superscion | is unstable. |
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| 20:34.08 | adb | superscion: but says unstable is not supported here .. |
| 20:35.31 | nickdaly | unstable is... well, unstable. stable is officially supported, but unstable is even less stable than testing, because it's currently being developed |
| 20:36.15 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 20:36.15 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 20:36.24 | edju | I can ping a print server from the client over the lan. However, if I ping 192.blahblah:631 (CUPS problems), rather than listing the server ip, it pings opendns. Is this expected behavior? |
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| 20:36.48 | zr0 | !raid |
| 20:36.48 | dpkg | methinks raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels, <raid-resizing> |
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| 20:39.14 | Locomotive | A train locomotive is faster than debian |
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| 20:39.43 | shakaponk_ | hey guyz, anybody there? :-) |
| 20:39.56 | shakaponk_ | i'm not experienced with linux and got a question |
| 20:39.59 | stonk | hi. I have 2 lenny servers, both fully up to date. For some reason, ssh keys aren't working. I've used ssh-copy-id to copy over the public key to another lenny server and that's fine, but this other one just wont do it. It keeps prompting for a password. Any ideas? Many thanks. |
| 20:40.08 | blast_hardcheese | Locomotive: ...? |
| 20:40.26 | pipeline | stonk: 1. check sshd configuration - is root allowed to log in via ssh ? is key authentication permitted? |
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| 20:40.34 | shakaponk_ | can't install bind, can i use etc/hosts instead for subdomains??? thx in advance |
| 20:40.35 | pipeline | stonk: 2. check permissions on ~/.ssh - needs to be 700 |
| 20:40.56 | pipeline | stonk: 3. Check permissions on ~/.ssh/authorized_keys - also needs to be 700 |
| 20:41.04 | dondelelcaro | shakaponk_: uh... install bind |
| 20:41.04 | pipeline | shakaponk_: yup. |
| 20:41.20 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, you certainly could, but if you're serving other machines, you want bind) |
| 20:41.45 | shakaponk_ | pipeline: can you point to some resources of how to do this? i already tried but no success |
| 20:41.52 | stonk | pipeline: all is correct, apart from authkeys being 600 |
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| 20:41.59 | pipeline | stonk: that's fine, the 00 is important. |
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| 20:42.16 | pipeline | stonk: check the log, then. When it rejects your authentication, it will write a message out to the log. |
| 20:42.20 | pipeline | stonk: (on the server side) |
| 20:42.34 | pipeline | shakaponk_: the ip address goes on the left. The name goes on the right. |
| 20:42.44 | pipeline | shakaponk_: note that the hosts file will only work for your local resolver :P |
| 20:43.00 | LinuxMercedes | Hi, I've got a Dell latitude d600 which I'm currently booting with a live USB stick (which is /dev/sdb). I also have a hard drive installed in it (/dev/sda). I opened up gparted to secure-wipe the hard drive, but gparted reports that both drives are mounted to /cdrom. How can I unmount /dev/sda without screwing up /dev/sdb? |
| 20:43.11 | shakaponk_ | pipeline: :-D thats not that good, so no way without bind? |
| 20:43.34 | Locomotive | ! |
| 20:43.55 | stonk | pipeline: sshd -d ? |
| 20:43.59 | blast_hardcheese | LinuxMercedes, type "mount", check to see if /dev/sda is mounted to anything; if it is, umount it |
| 20:44.07 | azeem | shakaponk_: there are other DNS servers than bind as well |
| 20:44.19 | azeem | though it is not clear why you would want to prefer them to ind |
| 20:44.20 | azeem | bind* |
| 20:44.34 | shakaponk_ | azeem: sure :-) |
| 20:44.39 | LinuxMercedes | blast_hardcheese: I get "/cdrom: device is busy." |
| 20:44.46 | nickdaly | Any ideas on how to recover after installing the official ATI drivers (from ATI's site, not non-free)? (old bad habits) and now the fglrx non-free module just errors out during "modprobe fglrx" |
| 20:44.48 | blast_hardcheese | suggests dnsmasq because of the ridiculously simple configuration file that is completely self-documenting and helpful for newbies |
| 20:45.01 | blast_hardcheese | azeem, shakaponk_: ^^ |
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| 20:45.41 | blast_hardcheese | LinuxMercedes, Are you sure your bios/grub is not doing something funky with the device blocks? |
| 20:45.51 | stonk | pipeline: awesome man, thanks. It was because /root was 775 o.O _no_ idea how that happened! |
| 20:45.51 | pipeline | stonk: no, it's already configured to write log via syslog by default. Check /var/log... one of those files will contain the sshd logs. |
| 20:45.52 | blast_hardcheese | have you tried fdisk -l /dev/sda; fdisk -l /dev/sdb ? |
| 20:45.58 | LinuxMercedes | blast_hardcheese: I think I'll see if that works |
| 20:46.03 | blast_hardcheese | see if they're different, if they're the same then you've got a mystery |
| 20:46.06 | LinuxMercedes | hang on a sec |
| 20:46.10 | nickdaly | (Rebuilding fglrx-kernel-src through module-assistant doesn't change naything) |
| 20:46.26 | shakaponk_ | ok, thx for your input... |
| 20:46.45 | shakaponk_ | will try......... |
| 20:46.47 | shakaponk_ | anything :-) |
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| 20:47.24 | blast_hardcheese | I am available for quick dnsmasq hackery, 's good |
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| 20:48.15 | LinuxMercedes | blast_hardcheese: they're different |
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| 20:48.35 | johnakabean | I need help getting a serpent encrypted drive unlocked from debian; I have tried updating the debian kernel in case that was an issue and using another ssh client in case my current was sending the wrong characters. |
| 20:48.35 | blast_hardcheese | LinuxMercedes, but they're _both_ mounted on /cdrom? |
| 20:48.45 | LinuxMercedes | yeah |
| 20:48.50 | johnakabean | I encrypted the drive on the same machine using Centos |
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| 20:49.31 | Locomotive | Debian sucks balls |
| 20:49.57 | johnakabean | !op Locomotive Vulgar comments |
| 20:50.15 | blast_hardcheese | LinuxMercedes, I really don't know, sorry I couldn't be of more help |
| 20:50.28 | LinuxMercedes | blast_hardcheese: that's fine. Any clue what to google for? |
| 20:50.31 | blast_hardcheese | I'm running low on brainpower, it's almost 6AM |
| 20:50.50 | blast_hardcheese | Don't believe it's a googleable problem. If I was sitting at the machine I could help, |
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| 20:51.14 | LinuxMercedes | hmm |
| 20:51.16 | LinuxMercedes | ojk |
| 20:51.26 | Thms | my ipod sync is VERY slow with amarok or anything, why ? |
| 20:51.40 | stonk | debian+openvz+FOG = awesome. I got a system now where I can tell FOG to image a server, and on first boot, it rips down last nights backed-up openvz machines (also debian) and starts them. Disaster recovery for the uber lazy! |
| 20:51.51 | LinuxMercedes | blast_hardcheese: I guess I'll see if I can get anywhere with fdisk or something |
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| 20:55.10 | blouf | someone ? |
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| 20:58.00 | edju | Anyone with a pointer to a good cupsd.conf? I've tried a bunch and none work. |
| 20:58.16 | edju | That's for printing over the lan. |
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| 20:59.20 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.29 | cmanns | PHP 5.2.6-1+lenny3 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 , anyway to get a non suhosin version or do i need to just compile it? |
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| 21:02.23 | noon | how can i provide internet access to a friend via my on board wireless when i am connected to the only cable? |
| 21:02.59 | elsbroek | noon: iptables e.g. |
| 21:03.00 | _budo | share a cable internet connection ? |
| 21:03.24 | dutchfish | noon, by running the wlan-card in AP mode (if it supports that) |
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| 21:03.57 | chellomere | noon, set the wireless nic into ad-hoc mode with iwconfig, then enable NAT from the wireless nic to the other nic |
| 21:04.05 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 21:04.05 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian to resolve bug #538384. |
| 21:04.23 | chellomere | and yeah, both the wireless nic and the driver needs to support ad-hoc mode |
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| 21:06.00 | noon | chellomere: how can i enable ad-hoc mode? |
| 21:06.29 | chellomere | noon, by using iwconfig |
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| 21:06.42 | bubsy | noon, "nano /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 21:06.55 | bubsy | look for "wireless-mode" or "pre-up iwconfig wlan0 mode" |
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| 21:07.06 | johnakabean | cmans: you still therE? |
| 21:07.18 | bubsy | if not, add one of them + "Ad-Hoc" |
| 21:07.27 | bubsy | "wireless-mode Ad-Hoc" |
| 21:09.14 | noon | i'll try some things and maybe it works right away.. *hoping* |
| 21:09.20 | dutchfish | cmanns, http://chrisblunt.com/blog/2009/05/01/php-fixing-mismatched-canaries-how-to-remove-suhosin-from-debianubuntu-packages/ |
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| 21:13.05 | cmanns | ty dutchfish |
| 21:13.35 | dutchfish | cmanns, yw |
| 21:13.57 | noon | bubsy: do you know how i set up a simple encryption or a simple password for now also? |
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| 21:16.22 | jvogel | hai what kernel are the latest debian testing builds for i386? |
| 21:16.33 | jvogel | .30? |
| 21:16.59 | rudi_s | judd: kernel |
| 21:17.01 | judd | rudi_s: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 21:17.04 | noon | i found it it's iwconfig interface key |
| 21:17.08 | rudi_s | jvogel: ^ |
| 21:17.18 | jvogel | olk |
| 21:17.23 | jvogel | so i just grabbed latest squeeze image |
| 21:17.25 | jvogel | that will have 2.6.30 |
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| 21:23.45 | ajavid | up 15:13 - RX bytes:61758795361 (57.5 GiB) TX bytes:1799021508 (1.6 GiB) |
| 21:23.47 | ajavid | heh |
| 21:24.03 | eagles0513875 | anyone have a link on how i can compile x from the source code in debian repos |
| 21:25.03 | abrotman | why would you? |
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| 21:26.20 | eagles0513875 | i am doing a net install and building it from the ground up |
| 21:26.28 | pipeline | that's going to be a disaster |
| 21:26.35 | pipeline | building modular X11 is painful |
| 21:26.38 | neptunepink | I have a software package installed. But then I downloaded a newer version and compiled it, what's the best way to install it? |
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| 21:26.56 | abrotman | eagles0513875: why are you using debian if you're doing that? |
| 21:27.08 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: working on rolling my own distro |
| 21:27.17 | dutchfish | !lfs |
| 21:27.17 | dpkg | hmm... lfs is large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about <linux from scratch>, or the Log-structured File System in NetBSD |
| 21:27.34 | eagles0513875 | dutchfish: if your trying to point me to linux from scratch i already know about that |
| 21:27.36 | pipeline | neptunepink: generally, compiling it yourself is not a great idea. It's best to install it in a non-standard prefix, e.g. /opt/vendor/product. If you must install in /usr, use checkinstall to make sure that nothing gets totally boned. |
| 21:27.36 | cmanns | What deb-src should i have in sources.list? |
| 21:27.50 | dutchfish | eagles0513875, ok |
| 21:27.56 | abrotman | eagles0513875: you want to create a distro, but can't figure out how to compile X from the debian packages ? |
| 21:28.10 | eagles0513875 | goes to google |
| 21:29.44 | cmanns | eagles0513875, good luck |
| 21:29.51 | cmanns | If you dunno how to compile x, theres issues |
| 21:29.51 | eagles0513875 | thanks cmanns |
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| 21:30.01 | pipeline | to be fair compiling modular X is a non-trivial process :D |
| 21:30.03 | eagles0513875 | i know how to compile stuff but never compiled x before |
| 21:30.15 | cmanns | ./configure && make install |
| 21:30.16 | cmanns | lul |
| 21:30.18 | pipeline | the old monolithic tree was much simpler by comparison |
| 21:30.40 | pipeline | cmanns: yeah except that there are a hundred odd packages that have to be compiled individually. And you'll need to manage the pkg-config files nad mess of path variables |
| 21:30.56 | eagles0513875 | cmanns: its not like that the source from debian repos has no make and all that |
| 21:31.08 | cmanns | pipeline, yeh all the drivers n such |
| 21:31.39 | eagles0513875 | pipeline: if i know what video card i have is it necessary to compile everything else |
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| 21:32.12 | pipeline | eagles0513875: yup. |
| 21:32.16 | blami | hello |
| 21:32.16 | pipeline | eagles0513875: it's a long messy process |
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| 21:32.35 | pipeline | eagles0513875: there are still dozens and dozens of other packages; the various driversa re just the icing on the cake |
| 21:32.37 | eagles0513875 | pipeline: why though why does 1 need to compile everythign else |
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| 21:32.47 | eagles0513875 | so im better off just using the package |
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| 21:33.09 | pipeline | eagles0513875: you're almost always (greater than 99.99% of the time) better off using the package. |
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| 21:33.23 | cmanns | anyways yeah what deb-src lines do i need??? |
| 21:33.24 | pipeline | eagles0513875: building shit yourself really sucks. That's why distributions exist. Why would |
| 21:33.26 | cmanns | I did google >_< |
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| 21:33.53 | eagles0513875 | pipeline: only reason it doesnt bother me is that its tailoring the software and optimizing it to run on the hardware i have |
| 21:35.53 | pipeline | eagles0513875: it's already optimized to run on the hardware you have |
| 21:36.31 | pipeline | eagles0513875: there are diminishing returns in compiler optimizations. After you cover the basics, all possible optimizations from there onwards are pretty much useless. |
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| 21:36.55 | eagles0513875 | the whats the advantage of keeping apt-build in the repos |
| 21:37.01 | eagles0513875 | if that is the case |
| 21:37.02 | pipeline | eagles0513875: there are, of course, exceptions. Sometimes you can get massive wins from clever vectorization. GCC won't do those for you, and you have to write code with those expectations anyway. |
| 21:37.06 | bio-tty | how may i identify what device it my mic? |
| 21:37.08 | abrotman | this channel is to support Debian though .. not 'my own distro' |
| 21:37.24 | pipeline | eagles0513875: To make it easier to build packages. Where do you think packages come from? |
| 21:37.38 | pipeline | eagles0513875: Debian includes all the tools that debian's volunteers use to work on debian. |
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| 21:37.53 | eagles0513875 | gotcha |
| 21:38.08 | eagles0513875 | i must say i am a big kubuntu fan and i love it and everything |
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| 21:38.18 | pipeline | eagles0513875: for example, if you wanted to test a package with a new patch, you would want all the infrastructure on your desktop to build an identical package *except for* the new patch. |
| 21:39.13 | bio-tty | i really have a difficult time trying to identify how to address my mic |
| 21:39.32 | bio-tty | in volume control |
| 21:39.55 | bio-tty | will a mic show in aplay -L ? |
| 21:40.02 | JyZyXEL | bio-tty: you are not alone |
| 21:40.26 | cmanns | Why'd debuild do this? http://pastebin.com/m1f1adeef |
| 21:40.41 | bio-tty | lsusb and cat inputs while yelling at the mic? |
| 21:40.46 | bio-tty | how may i proceed? |
| 21:41.30 | bio-tty | i dont manage to change device in volume control. |
| 21:41.58 | bio-tty | i get 'An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for gnome-volume-control.' |
| 21:42.05 | bio-tty | detail is 'Text contains invalid UTF-8' |
| 21:42.13 | bio-tty | and i does not switch to that device. |
| 21:42.45 | blami | is somewhere any proposal about solving ia32 situation on amd64? |
| 21:42.48 | cmanns | Well i already had a configure line from my etch box, I'll just compile php -_- |
| 21:42.52 | bio-tty | so i want to 1:identify this mic (it has worked actually) and enable is as -the- recording device |
| 21:43.01 | cmanns | from sauce |
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| 21:43.35 | bio-tty | cmanns: does etch have anything to do with this 'box' of yours |
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| 21:43.49 | bio-tty | cmanns: so you compile php into a sauce? sounds great |
| 21:44.00 | tuantub | cmanns: you may run "aptitude build-dep php5" before building php5 |
| 21:44.10 | bio-tty | is this the right place to ask a debian question? |
| 21:44.17 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 21:44.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:44.29 | bio-tty | it didnt seem so |
| 21:44.32 | cmanns | ugh |
| 21:44.38 | cmanns | tuantub, wats that do? |
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| 21:45.16 | cmanns | if i run that it wants to install a billion packages |
| 21:45.27 | tuantub | cmanns: this command will install all build-dependencies for building php5 package |
| 21:45.35 | cmanns | oh |
| 21:45.52 | bio-tty | php stinks badly |
| 21:46.01 | cmanns | no, shuosin sucks |
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| 21:46.07 | cmanns | Broke my website, the only 1 on the server |
| 21:46.11 | cmanns | ehh |
| 21:46.20 | cmanns | I sould just compile manually, now im loosing 200mb more lol |
| 21:46.21 | tuantub | cmanns: of cause ;) php5 depends on several of other packages |
| 21:46.35 | cmanns | why the heck does it want apache2-prefork-dev? I dont even have prefork installed |
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| 21:47.56 | tuantub | cmanns: there are only header files for building packages, not binary files :) |
| 21:48.18 | cmanns | lotta header files then |
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| 21:48.48 | cmanns | using a vps service, kinda gotta save space lol |
| 21:54.05 | cmanns | thx tuantub |
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| 21:54.17 | cmanns | My site'll be back to normal soon thx to ya |
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| 21:54.54 | charzero | If I have an X11 driver installed (ATI fglrx) and install another one (radeon), will I be able to switch back and forth by chaning xorg.conf and restarting X, or will they break each other? |
| 21:55.57 | maligor | well, fglrx replaces mesa with their own version.. of mesa |
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| 21:56.12 | RoenieSrvr | how do i tell lvextend to extend the logical volume by as much as the source drive will allow? |
| 21:56.13 | maligor | so 3d might work or it might not |
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| 21:56.45 | maligor | charzero, other than that there shouldn't be a issue |
| 21:56.57 | RoenieSrvr | for example: lvextend -L 50G lvname /dev/sda3 |
| 21:57.03 | maligor | charzero, as long as you manage the kernel modules in some sane way too :P |
| 21:57.11 | RoenieSrvr | how can i leave out -L 50G and let it use the maximum? |
| 21:57.24 | RoenieSrvr | (the whole partition) |
| 21:57.33 | charzero | maligor: Do you know if uninstalling fglrx will restore the original mesa? (I installed fglrx with ati's installer, not the Debian package.) |
| 21:58.16 | maligor | dunno, I've never used the ati's installer except with the package builder |
| 21:58.24 | maligor | I imagine it would |
| 21:58.28 | charzero | ls |
| 21:58.50 | charzero | gah. Well, I'll try it. What's the worst that could happen? (: |
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| 22:00.07 | blami | anyone using debian on 64bit? |
| 22:00.18 | charzero | blami: Lots of people are. I am. |
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| 22:00.25 | markybob | !anyone |
| 22:00.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 22:01.09 | cmanns | blami, yeah i am |
| 22:01.13 | charzero | maligor: I am in the unfortunate situation of having a graphics card for which the driver does not support any kernel 2.6.30 or later. |
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| 22:01.27 | zink__ | hello |
| 22:01.35 | maligor | charzero, which card is that? |
| 22:01.54 | charzero | maligor: Radeon Mobility Radeon X300/ |
| 22:01.54 | maligor | charzero, it's actually 2.6.29 where the change happened |
| 22:01.59 | noon | what am i doing wrong if i get this from my dhcpd ?? Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 22:02.00 | blami | charzero: cmanns: do you have 32bit chroot for 32bit apps like skype or acrobat or multilib system with /lib32? |
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| 22:02.47 | noon | i have a subnet defined and i start it with the interface as a parameter but it does not accept it? the man page sucks. if i add address it just begins to complain about a wrong configuration syntax.. |
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| 22:03.01 | cmanns | Oh I don't use debian for desktop |
| 22:03.23 | cmanns | My server is multi lib though |
| 22:03.24 | blami | ah |
| 22:03.29 | charzero | blami: I have /lib32 and /usr/lib32 - debian packages put them there. |
| 22:03.51 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 22:04.50 | shyam_k | apt-cache search gdb doc shows me no sensible packages! |
| 22:05.05 | shyam_k | which package would be having the info doc on gdb? |
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| 22:06.52 | shyam_k | am in online?:) |
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| 22:08.28 | mhymn | shyam_k: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gdb-doc ? |
| 22:08.39 | jelly-home | shyam_k: Most GNU documentation was moved to non-free, /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 22:09.49 | shyam_k | ohhhhhhhhh! |
| 22:10.07 | bubzy | I'm running lenny with 2.6.26.2 or so, I just downloaded the latest stable full source tar from kernel.org - how to compile it? |
| 22:10.09 | Titan8990_ | jelly-home, GNU? non-free? |
| 22:10.13 | bubzy | I know it's a long and advanced process |
| 22:10.14 | jelly-home | Titan8990_: yes. |
| 22:10.14 | bubzy | but I've got time |
| 22:10.42 | jelly-home | Titan8990_: /msg dpkg gfdl |
| 22:10.49 | bubzy | I need the newest kernel because of some bugs in rt61pci in 2.6.26.2 |
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| 22:11.11 | bio-tty | i have a hard time configuring the volume level of my audio input device (mic) just because the device has a name that the 'volume control' doesnt like (invalide utf-8). how may i control this without the user interface. |
| 22:11.14 | jelly-home | bubzy: there's also 2.6.30 in lenny-backports |
| 22:11.25 | bubzy | precompiled? |
| 22:11.36 | bubzy | how do I grab it? :) |
| 22:11.37 | jelly-home | that's the point of backported packages |
| 22:11.40 | bio-tty | i tried gnome-volume-control -and- kmix -and- alsamixer |
| 22:11.56 | bio-tty | some more direct way, on the command line? |
| 22:11.59 | charzero | maligor: What package provides whatever mesa bit that fglrx replaces? |
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| 22:12.11 | jelly-home | bubzy: there are instructions at http://backports.org/ |
| 22:12.24 | shyam_k | reboots his debian |
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| 22:12.44 | jelly-home | bubzy: this is a 3rd party repo, but usually quite safe to use |
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| 22:12.53 | jelly-home | !bpo |
| 22:12.53 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 22:13.15 | maligor | charzero, dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
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| 22:15.19 | bubzy | jelly-home: done |
| 22:15.24 | bubzy | at what dpkg said |
| 22:15.28 | bubzy | added and ran the commands |
| 22:15.42 | bubzy | a bit messy to surf that page with links :P |
| 22:15.48 | bubzy | want to help me out finding a link or so? |
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| 22:17.02 | jelly-home | bubzy: If you added the sources.list line, ran an update and installed their keyring package, you should be able to install linux-image-2.6.30-686 now |
| 22:17.02 | maligor | charzero, it's interchangeable to some degree too, I've used libGL from mesa with fglrx at one point |
| 22:17.09 | bubzy | I did, jelly-home |
| 22:17.23 | bubzy | so aptitude install linux-image-2.6.30-686 it is? |
| 22:17.50 | bubzy | couldn't find any package with that name, said aptitude |
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| 22:18.22 | jelly-home | bubzy: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.30? |
| 22:18.36 | jelly-home | judd: kernel |
| 22:18.38 | judd | jelly-home: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 22:18.54 | jelly-home | oh, it seems to have a different name in bpo. |
| 22:19.23 | jelly-home | linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
| 22:19.26 | bubzy | linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-486 |
| 22:19.29 | bubzy | found that one - install? |
| 22:19.36 | bubzy | no, 686 |
| 22:19.37 | jelly-home | bubzy: which cpu do you have? |
| 22:19.41 | bubzy | pentium 4 |
| 22:19.43 | bubzy | 3ghz |
| 22:19.51 | jelly-home | use the -686 one |
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| 22:20.10 | bubzy | downloading it now |
| 22:20.14 | jelly-home | (unless you have more than 4GB RAM, then -686-bigmem) |
| 22:20.18 | bubzy | woo 1.7MB/s :) |
| 22:20.23 | bubzy | nah, 2GB |
| 22:20.42 | bubzy | now it's installed |
| 22:20.46 | bubzy | it added some grub stuff as well |
| 22:20.52 | bubzy | guess I should reboot and choose it in grub? |
| 22:21.28 | bubzy | yep it's added to menu.lst - nifty |
| 22:21.50 | bubzy | I shouldn't do anything before I boot it, jelly-home ? |
| 22:22.04 | jelly-home | that's pretty mich it |
| 22:22.08 | bubzy | okay, brb then :) |
| 22:22.52 | jelly-home | forgot to mention firmware-linux, again |
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| 22:28.40 | zeroConf | ??? |
| 22:29.59 | chellomere | !!! |
| 22:30.00 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 22:30.07 | bubsy | 00:22 * jelly-home forgot to mention firmware-linux, again |
| 22:30.07 | bubsy | what? |
| 22:30.32 | bubsy | should I install it? |
| 22:30.39 | bubsy | looks like the module rt61pci is still the same :/ |
| 22:31.23 | jelly-home | bubsy: only if something fails to work properly (like, say, a radeon graphics card) |
| 22:31.39 | bubsy | yes, but that's my case! |
| 22:31.41 | bubsy | rt61pci |
| 22:31.44 | bubsy | the wlan driver is fuxxed |
| 22:31.52 | bubsy | I've spent hours googling and setting it up |
| 22:32.11 | bubsy | I've (and another guy) came to the conclusion that it's borked |
| 22:32.13 | jelly-home | !rt61 |
| 22:32.13 | dpkg | Ralink RT61 PCI chipsets (RT2501/RT2561, RT2600/RT2661) are supported by the next-generation driver (rt61pci), included in mainline kernels since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to install. For driver and firmware installation on Etch systems, see http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
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| 22:32.39 | bubsy | I have the firmware-ralink package as well |
| 22:32.47 | bubsy | should I install firmware-linux?:p |
| 22:33.19 | jelly-home | bubsy: it doesn't have the firmware for that card |
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| 22:33.33 | bubsy | no, but maybe an updated rt61pci module? :> |
| 22:34.03 | bubsy | PCI: 1814:0302 RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g |
| 22:34.05 | jelly-home | bubsy: however, there's also newer firmware-ralink in backports too |
| 22:34.06 | bubsy | that's the one I Have |
| 22:34.09 | bubsy | :o |
| 22:34.23 | jelly-home | !ralink firmware |
| 22:34.23 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required for the <rt61pci> and <rt73usb> drivers from the <rt2x00> project. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the 'firmware-ralink' package (lenny, etch-backports) to provide. Firmware is also required by the <rt2860sta> and <rt2870sta> staging drivers in Debian kernel images since 2.6.30, install 'firmware-ralink' 0.17 or later (lenny-backports, squeeze) to provide. |
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| 22:34.47 | charzero | (testing) I have no xorg.conf, but X works. How do I get it to generate one so I can muck with it? |
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| 22:35.34 | toolz | hi, any iptables guru here, able to help? |
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| 22:36.05 | jelly-home | charzero: /msg dpkg xorg config |
| 22:36.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I just installed network-manager. Is there a way i can make it to manage only my wireless and not my active wired ethernet? |
| 22:37.02 | abrotman | toolz: #iptables ? |
| 22:37.12 | bubsy | but jelly-home, when I ran "apt-get update", why didn't it say that firmware-ralink had a newer package available? |
| 22:37.12 | bubsy | :p |
| 22:37.15 | bubsy | confusing |
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| 22:37.43 | charzero | jelly-home: Thank you. |
| 22:37.45 | toolz | abrotman, why do I always join here to ask problems unrelated to this channel? |
| 22:37.55 | jelly-home | bubsy: packages that are available via backports don't get automatically upgraded |
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| 22:38.21 | bubsy | apt-get install -t lenny_backports firmware-ralink? |
| 22:38.35 | bubsy | should I remove the one I have first? |
| 22:38.43 | jelly-home | bubsy: - instead of _; no |
| 22:38.55 | debian_d | how to install pidgin 2.5.8 testing? |
| 22:39.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | can anyone help |
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| 22:39.25 | abrotman | toolz: i could think of a few reasons |
| 22:39.33 | RoenieSrvr | OMFG alsamixer just gave me a heart attack |
| 22:39.33 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin |
| 22:39.34 | judd | abrotman: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny3~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3 lenny-backports: 2.5.9-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.5.9-1 experimental: 2.6.1-1 sid: 2.6.1-2 |
| 22:39.35 | jelly-home | bubsy: I usually do aptitude install foo/release, not ... -t release foo, but don't remember the difference |
| 22:39.42 | abrotman | debian_d: it already has 2.5.9 |
| 22:39.46 | bubsy | jelly-home: it said "firmware-ralink is alreaady newest version" |
| 22:39.48 | toolz | me too :D |
| 22:39.58 | jelly-home | bubsy: which version is it? |
| 22:40.04 | bubsy | how do I check? :-/ |
| 22:40.15 | jelly-home | dpkg -l packagename |
| 22:40.15 | dpkg | ii packagename 2.6-14.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 22:40.24 | jelly-home | dpkg: thanks |
| 22:40.25 | dpkg | gern geschehen, jelly-home |
| 22:42.08 | debian_d | abrotman: sudo aptitude install pidgin. 2.4.3 installed , how to add testing deb in source.list |
| 22:42.38 | abrotman | debian_d: which version of debian are you using? |
| 22:42.51 | debian_d | abrotman: 2.4.3 |
| 22:42.56 | abrotman | debian_d: which version of debian are you using? |
| 22:43.15 | debian_d | abrotman: 5.0.2 lenny |
| 22:43.25 | abrotman | !tell debian_d about bpo |
| 22:43.32 | bubsy | jelly-home: 0.14+lenny1 |
| 22:43.49 | bubsy | 0.17~bpo50+1 is the newest according to backport.org |
| 22:43.53 | bubsy | hmmm |
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| 22:44.50 | jelly-home | bubsy: try using aptitude install firmware-ralink/lenny-backports syntax, then |
| 22:45.14 | nineclock | i have apt-get install sun-java6-jre but usig java -version command nothing come founded |
| 22:45.45 | jelly-home | bubsy: apt-cache policy packagename will tell which versions are available from the configured repositories |
| 22:47.04 | charzero | Does the radeon driver do hardware OpenGL on the x300? Googleearth tells me that is is doing software emulation. |
| 22:47.42 | debian_d | abrotman: after sudo apt-get install -t lenny-backports pidgin , http://pastebin.com/m4f18c58e |
| 22:48.12 | bubsy | jelly-home: I managed to install the 0.17 one now :) |
| 22:48.15 | bubsy | rebooting to see if wlan works |
| 22:48.21 | abrotman | !tell debian_d about why aptitude |
| 22:48.41 | bubsy | what's the difference ?? |
| 22:48.45 | bubsy | apt-get vs aptitude |
| 22:50.19 | ohmy | i am testing debian squeeze with virtualbox and would like to to know if some of you experienced the same situation as me |
| 22:51.00 | ohmy | In fact, i would like to benifit from OpenGLES based HW acceleration. I have installed addition witch looks to be Ok |
| 22:51.32 | ohmy | I have a strange behaviour regarding xorg, please check the log http://pastebin.com/d27ee6a8c |
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| 22:52.20 | ohmy | VBoxVideo looks to be loaded correctely drm also (modprobe -l | grep drm returned kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/drm.ko) |
| 22:52.36 | debian_d | abrotman: what would i select ? http://pastebin.com/m24b21dd0 |
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| 22:53.13 | ohmy | I dont know why i cant have some HW acceleration, when o use glxinfo it shows OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
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| 22:56.07 | abrotman | debian_d: how about including the command you typed |
| 22:57.26 | debian_d | abrotman: sudo aptitude install -t lenny-backports pidgin |
| 22:58.45 | abrotman | put the whole output in the pastebin |
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| 23:00.46 | debian_d | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m492f011d |
| 23:01.14 | abrotman | say no .. see what thenext choice is |
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| 23:02.54 | debian_d | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m1f5c8726 |
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| 23:05.45 | abrotman | say no til it offers to upgrade |
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| 23:07.21 | debian_d | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m69c07af7 |
| 23:07.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | morning all |
| 23:07.48 | abrotman | that's not what i said |
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| 23:08.37 | debian_d | abrotman: what to do now? |
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| 23:09.08 | abrotman | what did i say above ? |
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| 23:10.14 | debian_d | abrotman: "say no til it offers to upgrade" i selected "n" same result all the time. the last result http://pastebin.com/m69c07af7 |
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| 23:11.07 | abrotman | debian_d: aptitude -t lenny-backports install pidgin .. should do the right thing |
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| 23:15.31 | cmanns | Alright so now debuild failed with gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available |
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| 23:16.41 | bzed | cmanns: either set yourself as last uplaoder in debian/changelog before building, or just ignore it |
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| 23:17.16 | debian_d | abrotman: same result http://pastebin.com/m13c213f9 all time |
| 23:17.34 | abrotman | just say Y |
| 23:17.48 | abrotman | to the first one |
| 23:18.13 | debian_d | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m7e0cf48f |
| 23:18.40 | abrotman | debian_d: maybe you should run aptitude interactively |
| 23:19.08 | debian_d | abrotman: how? |
| 23:19.15 | abrotman | just run it |
| 23:19.55 | cmanns | bzed, looks like debuild failed though? |
| 23:20.06 | debian_d | abrotman: what would i run ? |
| 23:20.11 | bzed | cmanns: yeah, but ther ehsould be a .deb |
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| 23:20.40 | bzed | cmanns: if not, probably just try dpkg-buildpackage - not sure if debuilddoes weird things there |
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| 23:22.00 | cmanns | bzed, ah theere is .debs :D |
| 23:22.12 | cmanns | but sadly removing shuosin patch didnt fix my site :( |
| 23:22.29 | bzed | cmanns: not using php fixes it ;) |
| 23:22.52 | bzed | cmanns: the suhosin patch rarely breaks things |
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| 23:23.05 | bzed | cmanns: disabling the module if it is installed may break it |
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| 23:23.54 | bzed | cmanns: if you try to use the zend optimizer or other shit^Wstuff from zend - debian's php is not binary compatible to their mess for security reaons |
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| 23:24.05 | hihahah | hello |
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| 23:24.24 | cmanns | bzed, not using php isnt a choice, my sites written in it :S |
| 23:24.26 | _2 | ummm for some reason i can only issue a very few commands from "mc" as superuser but as normal user any command works. what would/could cause that ? |
| 23:24.35 | bzed | cmanns: that was the first fault then :P |
| 23:24.35 | hihahah | im using debian testing and i've a intel hda audio sound card, but the sound is not working properlyl, any suggestion? |
| 23:24.42 | bzed | cmanns: but what's not working exactly? |
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| 23:25.26 | _2 | also launching yakuake says only. ERROR: Communication problem with yakuake, it probably crashed. |
| 23:25.26 | oreo | hey guys |
| 23:25.26 | cmanns | after uploading a file the page is blank |
| 23:25.42 | oreo | i was wondering if you recommended something else than bind9 for DNS |
| 23:25.44 | carpetkiss | I'm running squeeze with Intei8x0 & trying to get midi going so I can use a softsynth - I've got no sequencer or midi devices at all. Is it udev or what? |
| 23:25.54 | bzed | cmanns: sounds like php is not allowed to allocate enough memory |
| 23:25.56 | cmanns | uploads fine, page was upload.php?action=upload it's normal to be there, it's supposed to show a template with urls to the uploaded file |
| 23:26.10 | bzed | cmanns: or you're hitting some other limit.raise the log level, let it log to syslog, and see whats in there |
| 23:26.28 | cmanns | i checked the code, im not a php xpert but the codes fine (the site was on a server that hdd is corrupting stuff) upload.php reads fine |
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| 23:26.41 | cmanns | nah theres no limits being hit |
| 23:26.50 | hihahah | im using debian testing and i've a intel hda audio sound card, but the sound is not working properlyl, any suggestion? |
| 23:27.23 | bzed | cmanns: still, enable logging, read the log.. |
| 23:27.32 | bzed | hihahah: define properly |
| 23:27.51 | hihahah | it sounds really awful, like high frecuency noise |
| 23:28.05 | hihahah | i cant even know what song is playing |
| 23:28.13 | hihahah | if i listen to that noise |
| 23:28.18 | bzed | hihahah: did you check the mixer settings? |
| 23:28.32 | hihahah | i check gnome alsamixer |
| 23:28.37 | bzed | hihahah: treble and bass settings for example? |
| 23:29.15 | hihahah | where do u mean? in the player ? |
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| 23:29.46 | bzed | hihahah: there, too, if you have it there. |
| 23:29.58 | bzed | hihahah: is your player using the dsp emulation - /dev/dsp? |
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| 23:30.22 | hihahah | idk, but it sounds awful with everithing, youtube, vlc etc |
| 23:30.46 | hihahah | the gnome alsamixes has got 2 tabs speaker and intel g45 devctg |
| 23:31.00 | bzed | hihahah: try aplay /usr/share/sounds/pop.wav |
| 23:31.03 | bzed | on the console |
| 23:31.06 | hihahah | when i unmute intel g45 the awful sound starts |
| 23:31.13 | hihahah | ok gonna try it |
| 23:31.33 | bzed | hihahah: leave it muted then :) or don't you hear any sounds then? |
| 23:31.59 | hihahah | if i mute that i dont hear anything, even with the speakers tab activated |
| 23:32.36 | bzed | hihahah: is there a digital output switch somewhere probably? |
| 23:32.49 | bzed | hihahah: maybe you get digital output on that output jack |
| 23:32.55 | hihahah | physical on the laptop? |
| 23:33.14 | hihahah | it is what i think, but i dont know how to change it |
| 23:33.16 | bzed | hihahah: no, in the mixer, probably give alsamixer a try on the console |
| 23:33.18 | cmanns | bzed, enable logging where? |
| 23:33.21 | cmanns | I have php errors enabled |
| 23:33.26 | bzed | cmanns: php.ini |
| 23:33.36 | hihahah | bzed i did it but i cant find anything |
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| 23:33.50 | cmanns | bzed, it is enabled |
| 23:34.01 | bzed | hihahah: which kernel are you using? |
| 23:34.07 | hihahah | if i use alsamixer from console i can only see a master |
| 23:34.19 | hihahah | and pc speaker that can not be adjusted |
| 23:34.38 | hihahah | 2.6.30-1-amd64 |
| 23:34.48 | Wyzard | Why does mdadm still default to creating version 0.90 superblocks when versions 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 are supported? |
| 23:34.51 | bzed | hihahah: did it work before? or do you have really new hardware? |
| 23:35.06 | hihahah | it is a new computer and a fresh debian install |
| 23:36.00 | bzed | hihahah: look at http://helllabs.org/codecgraph/ |
| 23:36.13 | hihahah | tnks going to check it :) |
| 23:36.45 | bzed | hihahah: see if you chipset is listed there, if not it may help if you send them your codec description as mentioned on the page |
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| 23:40.39 | mogunus | Is it a bad idea to export a git repo with nfs? |
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| 23:40.46 | hihahah | bzed, my codec is already listed there |
| 23:40.55 | hihahah | http://helllabs.org/codecgraph/out/lenovo-thinkpad-sl500.svg |
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| 23:41.33 | hihahah | but i cant see how it will help me :S |
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| 23:42.00 | edju | How/where do I set the environment variable $AVAHI_COMPAT_NOWARN to 1? |
| 23:42.40 | dondelelcaro | edju: presumably in /etc/default/avahi-daemon |
| 23:42.51 | bzed | hihahah: it just means that it is supported by alsa usually |
| 23:42.59 | bzed | hihahah: do you have a sl500? |
| 23:43.05 | hihahah | yes i do |
| 23:43.15 | bzed | hihahah: if I remember right a coworker uses that and doesn'thave nay problems with it |
| 23:43.27 | ltl | hihahah: have you tried 'alsaconf'? |
| 23:43.36 | hihahah | alsaconf doesn exist anymore |
| 23:43.46 | bzed | ltl: thats gone for good since a long time :) |
| 23:43.59 | ltl | hihahah: i run debian lenny and i have it. |
| 23:44.07 | hihahah | alsaconf was removed from alsa-utils at 1.0.17-1. |
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| 23:44.19 | hihahah | im running squeeze |
| 23:44.19 | bzed | hihahah: have a look on alsa-project.org if your chipset is mentioned there, maybe you need some special settings |
| 23:44.32 | bzed | ltl: alsaconf isn't necessary since a long time |
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| 23:45.01 | bzed | hihahah: otherwise I'd still suggest to play with all settings in the alsamixer on console |
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| 23:45.15 | bzed | hihahah: try to unmute them if they're muted |
| 23:45.35 | bzed | hihahah: and make sure you croll to the right, some may hide there |
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| 23:46.42 | hihahah | when i run alsamixer i can only see master, pc speak (that i can not do anything with this) and baseFQR that i can not do anything aswel |
| 23:47.16 | hihahah | if i run gnome alsamixer i've 2 tabs, one for pc speaker and other for intel g45 devctg |
| 23:47.27 | hihahah | if intel tab master is muted, no sound comes |
| 23:47.37 | hihahah | if i unmute it the awful sound starts again |
| 23:47.59 | bzed | hihahah: two tabs sounds like alsa doesn't recognize your hardware properly yet |
| 23:48.55 | hihahah | aplay -l |
| 23:48.55 | hihahah | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** |
| 23:48.55 | hihahah | card 0: pcsp [pcsp], device 0: pcspeaker [pcsp] |
| 23:48.55 | hihahah | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.55 | hihahah | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:49.31 | hihahah | sry i was kicked trying to post the output of aplay -l |
| 23:50.02 | hihahah | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** |
| 23:50.02 | hihahah | card 0: pcsp [pcsp], device 0: pcspeaker [pcsp] |
| 23:50.02 | hihahah | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.02 | hihahah | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:50.18 | abrotman | hihahah: maybe you should stop trying to do that |
| 23:50.36 | hihahah | i tried to post a small text just 3 lines |
| 23:50.43 | hihahah | but i was kicked anyway |
| 23:50.51 | bzed | hihahah: that were at least 4 lines :) |
| 23:50.58 | bubsy | uhm |
| 23:50.58 | blast_hardcheese | there were 5 lines |
| 23:50.58 | bubsy | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/netcfg |
| 23:51.02 | bzed | hihahah: use paste.debian.net |
| 23:51.03 | bubsy | if I do apt-get install netcfg, it doesn't find it |
| 23:51.09 | hihahah | it was 4 lines |
| 23:51.31 | bzed | bubsy: that's a part of the installer only |
| 23:51.39 | bzed | bubsy: what do you plan to do? |
| 23:51.40 | bubsy | what :/ |
| 23:51.52 | bubsy | get my wlan up and running in lenny :P |
| 23:52.07 | bzed | bubsy: do you want a graphical manager for that? |
| 23:52.07 | hihahah | http://paste.debian.net/45313/ |
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| 23:52.16 | bubsy | oh, netcfg is a gui? |
| 23:52.18 | bzed | bubsy: if so, have a look at wicd or network-manager |
| 23:52.21 | bubsy | no |
| 23:52.26 | bubsy | I have cli only :p |
| 23:52.28 | bzed | bubsy: netcfg is part of the debian installer. nothing else. |
| 23:52.29 | bubsy | this is a server |
| 23:52.35 | bubsy | ah, I understand now |
| 23:52.39 | sveakex | is there any information on the web on how to create a debian fork? |
| 23:52.41 | _2 | ummm for some reason i can only issue a very few commands from "mc" ran as superuser but when "mc" is ran as normal user any command works. what would/could cause that ? anyone ? |
| 23:52.49 | bzed | bubsy: then install wpasupplicant |
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| 23:53.00 | _2 | is there some security setting that might affect that ? |
| 23:53.00 | bubsy | even tho I have no wpa on the wlan? |
| 23:53.04 | bzed | bubsy: if I remember right it contains the proper documentation on what to put in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:53.09 | bzed | bubsy: then you don't need it |
| 23:53.13 | debian_d | downloaded jdk-6u11-linux-i586.bin , how to install that , lenny |
| 23:53.37 | bubsy | bzed: I've spent at least 5 hours today, with /etc/network/interfaces. Everything is okay, and iwconfig spits out the right thing. |
| 23:53.41 | bubsy | I can't connect tho, SO angry |
| 23:53.42 | bubsy | one sec |
| 23:53.49 | hihahah | debian_d ./jdk-6u11-linux-i586.bin |
| 23:53.49 | bzed | bubsy: for wep only - read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 23:53.52 | bubsy | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=44649 |
| 23:53.54 | bubsy | here :) |
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| 23:54.26 | thor | hi |
| 23:54.37 | bzed | bubsy: don't use pre-up foo there, read the documentation I linked you to. |
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| 23:55.03 | debian_d | hihahah: did this in /home/user , but when i run ./netbeans.sh ,http://pastebin.com/ma1be14a |
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| 23:55.32 | hihahah | u need to do it where the file is |
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| 23:55.35 | thor | I'd like KDE 4(4.3 if possible?)but I don't want to jump on a fully sid system, how, if possible, would I do that? |
| 23:55.40 | gasull | Hi. How do I get less to show me the colors from egrep? e.g. egrep "api" * -r | less -R <--- This should work but doesn't. |
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| 23:55.44 | cmanns | bzed, it was due to GD :D |
| 23:55.47 | bzed | debian_d: add contrib and non-free to your sources.list and apt-get install sun-java6-jdk |
| 23:55.52 | abrotman | thor: i think you can only get 4.2 |
| 23:55.55 | oreo | what's your guys's say on bind9 vs pdns? |
| 23:55.59 | Supaplex | gasull: grep --color=force |
| 23:56.24 | bzed | debian_d: or use openjdk, if I remember right it was shipped with lenny |
| 23:56.28 | thor | abrotman: kde and the wiki say that 4.3 is in unstable, Lenny only provide 3.5 |
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| 23:56.47 | bzed | thor: http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 23:56.52 | abrotman | thor: ask #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net .. but i think they've made a backport of 4.2 for lenny |
| 23:57.12 | abrotman | oh .. guessjust 4.1 |
| 23:57.15 | thor | thanks |
| 23:57.41 | debian_d | bzed: what's the difference between openjdk and jdk-sun? |
| 23:58.17 | gasull | Supaplex: thx |
| 23:58.21 | hihahah | 1 is free the other propietary |
| 23:58.58 | oreo | so? |
| 23:59.26 | Supaplex | dunks oreo in a vat of milk |
| 23:59.32 | Supaplex | so there. |
| 23:59.34 | mavhc | isn't sun's java floss now? |
| 23:59.37 | debian_d | abrotman: is kd4 stable in lenny? |
| 23:59.40 | oreo | Supaplex: ... |
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