| 00:00.00 | debian_d | abrotman: is backport kde 4 stable ? |
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| 00:00.12 | abrotman | debian_d: i don't use kde, NFC |
| 00:00.15 | bubsy | 01:54 <bzed> bubsy: don't use pre-up foo there, read the documentation I linked you to. |
| 00:00.24 | bubsy | I tried "wireless-mode", "wireless-essid" etc as weøø |
| 00:00.24 | debian_d | abrotman: what's NFC? |
| 00:00.25 | bubsy | well |
| 00:00.27 | bubsy | didn't help :p |
| 00:00.35 | abrotman | debian_d: they've created a backport, i have no idea if it's stable or not |
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| 00:04.57 | debian_d | hihahah: which is free? |
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| 00:05.27 | edju | Having trouble printing over the LAN to this Debian server. The only problem I see in the CUPS error log is a warning about Avahi and Bonjour. I set the environment variable as instructed but the warning still comes up. I take it that since it's a warning, not an error, it's not the reason the client won't print?\ |
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| 00:05.30 | debian_d | how to install sun java jdk ? |
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| 00:06.02 | DeSian | debian_d, aptitude search sun |
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| 00:06.25 | hihahah | i think he need to add non-free repositories first |
| 00:06.43 | DeSian | hihahah, right |
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| 00:11.28 | bzed | bubsy: can you manually using iwconfig talk your card into associating with the AP |
| 00:12.20 | bubsy | how? |
| 00:12.40 | bubsy | you see, I have one CRT screen, so I have to plug it into the linux box each time I'm playing with it |
| 00:12.42 | bubsy | so I want to be sure first :) |
| 00:12.53 | bubsy | it's just idling now |
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| 00:13.10 | bubsy | should've had an SSH server |
| 00:13.48 | bzed | bubsy: like iwconfig wlan0 essid youressid channel XY mode managed key yourwepkeyintherightformat |
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| 00:14.13 | bzed | bubsy: man iwconfig :) especially for figuring out how to specify the wep key properly |
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| 00:14.34 | bubsy | bzed: 1: Yes I can that, and I've tried. Doesn't make it work |
| 00:14.38 | bubsy | 2: I don't use wep nor wpa :) |
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| 00:14.46 | bubsy | I love so deep in the forest that there's noone here |
| 00:15.00 | bzed | bubsy: does your AP have any mac address filters? |
| 00:15.04 | bubsy | nope |
| 00:15.23 | bubsy | I had fedora 11 on that box yesterday, worked good with the ap |
| 00:15.30 | debian_d | in the lenny system, is it must to install both jdk and jre or installing jdk will do the job? |
| 00:15.34 | bzed | bubsy: run iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 00:15.46 | bzed | bubsy: or whatever your wlan interface is |
| 00:15.47 | bubsy | btw, I use the latest stable kernel (2.6.30) and the latest firmware-ralink (0.17 bpo) |
| 00:15.54 | bubsy | I've tried many times |
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| 00:16.05 | bzed | bubsy: 2.6.30 is not a stable kernel :P |
| 00:16.05 | bubsy | it returns good information, and blabla everything is okay |
| 00:16.11 | debian_d | bubsy: how did you install 2.6.30? |
| 00:16.17 | bubsy | stable:2.6.30.5 |
| 00:16.24 | bzed | bubsy: hmm, then I don't understand why it doesn't associate to your AP |
| 00:16.35 | bzed | bubsy: no, stable is lenny, and that was released with 2.6.26 |
| 00:16.37 | bubsy | me neither, it's weird... I was letting a linux nerd look at it |
| 00:16.43 | bubsy | he thought it was something borked with the driver |
| 00:16.59 | bubsy | debian_d: lenny-backports. www.backports.org |
| 00:17.00 | debian_d | bubsy: how did you install kernel 2.6.30 ? |
| 00:17.06 | bubsy | ^ |
| 00:17.28 | debian_d | bubsy: which line to add in sources.list? |
| 00:17.34 | bubsy | I don't remember now :/ |
| 00:17.34 | bzed | bubsy: ok, kernel and firmware from bpo could work. what you could give a try is to see if there is a even more recent firmware in unstable |
| 00:17.51 | bzed | debian_d: http://www.backports.org - read the documentation |
| 00:17.54 | bubsy | http://www.backports.org/debian/README.mirrors.html |
| 00:18.07 | bubsy | bzed: unstable ? |
| 00:18.09 | bubsy | what do you mean |
| 00:18.19 | bubsy | how do I enable unstable packages? :p |
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| 00:19.09 | bzed | bubsy: don't enable them, just get the package from packages.debian.org - firmware packages usually don';t ahve any bad dependencies, you should be able to install the one from unstable in stable - at least you can give it a try, if the package in unstable is more recent than the one on bpo |
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| 00:19.35 | bzed | bubsy: ok, it is not.forget that :P |
| 00:19.39 | bzed | bubsy: just had a look. |
| 00:19.46 | bubsy | as said, I use 0.17 |
| 00:19.49 | bubsy | newest in backports |
| 00:20.00 | bzed | bubsy: which is the same version as in unstable |
| 00:20.12 | bzed | bubsy: you could go and get a new firmware from ralink |
| 00:20.12 | bubsy | and I really really think it is either a driver or kernel issue (or fw), as I've done iwconfig blah several times on other linux boxes just fine |
| 00:20.15 | bubsy | this one is just IMPOSSIBLE :p |
| 00:20.33 | bzed | bubsy: did you give the kernel from lenny a try? |
| 00:20.37 | bubsy | yep |
| 00:20.38 | bzed | bubsy: the 2.6.26 |
| 00:20.41 | bzed | same problem? |
| 00:20.43 | bubsy | I spent like 3 hours with it |
| 00:20.44 | bubsy | yes |
| 00:20.46 | bubsy | exact same |
| 00:20.51 | bzed | then i smell a firmware issue |
| 00:21.38 | bubsy | 02:20 <bzed> bubsy: you could go and get a new firmware from ralink |
| 00:21.39 | bubsy | good idea :) |
| 00:21.59 | bubsy | Firmware RT2501(RT2561/RT2661)03/23/20061.2 |
| 00:22.01 | bubsy | 2006 :-/ |
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| 00:22.06 | bubsy | http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html |
| 00:22.27 | debian_d | bubsy: what's the command to install kernel 2.6.30 ? |
| 00:22.56 | debian_d | bubsy: sudo aptitude -t lenny-backports install .........? |
| 00:23.01 | bzed | debian_d: do you really have a reason to update it? |
| 00:23.02 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 00:23.08 | bzed | debian_d: if not, don't do it. |
| 00:23.17 | bubsy | apt-get -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6.30-bpo-1.486 or something |
| 00:23.20 | bubsy | I don't remember |
| 00:23.28 | bubsy | do a apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.30 |
| 00:23.33 | bubsy | 686* |
| 00:23.39 | bubsy | well, if you have a new cpu that is |
| 00:23.43 | bubsy | I guess you do :p |
| 00:23.51 | debian_d | bzed: do you see any problem with updating kernel? |
| 00:24.09 | bubsy | don't update your kernel if you have no issues |
| 00:24.14 | bubsy | you might get some with a newer kernel :p |
| 00:24.37 | bzed | exactly |
| 00:24.39 | bubsy | well, the kernel gets bugfixes, but.. |
| 00:24.47 | abrotman | debian_d: do you have a reason to upgrade it or not? it may introduce bugs |
| 00:25.43 | bubsy | the kernel is a very big part of the OS, and MANY things depends on it. Therefor you shouldn't update if you're having a good setup already. Like if you get no sound or so, go ahead |
| 00:25.57 | bubsy | or something, I'm not a linux geek :p |
| 00:26.44 | debian_d | abrotman: bzed: what's the kernel version of yours? |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | that's irrelevant |
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| 00:27.42 | bubsy | debian_d: Please understand, a newer kernel might introduce weird bugs to your drivers/modules. You don't want to end up with a problem you just can't solve in that kernel :p |
| 00:27.57 | bzed | debian_d: not interesting for you (hint: I'm running a mix of unstable and experimental with self-baked kernels) |
| 00:28.25 | bubsy | but gah, over to my wlan issue |
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| 00:28.53 | bubsy | is it normal that the "netatalk" init part can take over a minute? |
| 00:29.02 | bubsy | irritating deluxe |
| 00:29.13 | bubsy | as I reboot very often when I change stuff to try to get the wlan up |
| 00:29.42 | bzed | bubsy: yeah, if you didn't configure it properly, or if it needs to recover the cnid db |
| 00:30.07 | debian_d | bubsy: bzed: abrotman: ok ,, i'm not installing newer kernel because of bugs |
| 00:30.18 | bubsy | good |
| 00:30.46 | bubsy | bzed: hmm the rt2561.bin from ralink is from 2007, should I still give it a go? |
| 00:30.51 | bubsy | do you know where I put it, btw? |
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| 00:32.29 | bzed | bubsy: /lib/firmware |
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| 00:33.10 | bzed | bubsy: you can give it a try, not sure if it helps, but worth a try |
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| 00:36.52 | bubsy | bzed: done, rebooting |
| 00:36.57 | bubsy | made a backup of the old ones |
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| 00:38.05 | bzed | bubsy: in the worst case you can always reinstall the package |
| 00:38.44 | bubsy | yep |
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| 00:41.38 | bubsy | :/ same problem |
| 00:41.40 | bubsy | gah!! |
| 00:42.01 | bzed | bubsy: and iwconfig says that the card is in managed mode? |
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| 00:42.21 | bubsy | wait |
| 00:42.40 | bzed | bubsy: it should at least show the right channel, mode and essid |
| 00:42.47 | bubsy | yes, it does |
| 00:43.21 | bzed | bubsy: then I'm out of clues, rarely ever had a problem with wlan |
| 00:43.33 | bzed | bubsy: what may help is to give a different channel a try |
| 00:43.51 | bzed | bubsy: one which is in a different band |
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| 00:47.45 | bubsy | :/ |
| 00:47.48 | bubsy | but it worked in fedora 11 |
| 00:47.49 | bubsy | same card |
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| 01:04.57 | oreo | what registrar should i use? |
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| 01:05.23 | abrotman | why are you asking us? |
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| 01:07.10 | oreo | because i'm supposing there are quite a few sysadmins here, and perhaps a good amount have registered domains |
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| 01:08.52 | _2 | howto get my wifi working debian etch on a toshiba satalite 130a |
| 01:08.55 | _2 | ? |
| 01:09.14 | abrotman | depends on the chipset |
| 01:09.19 | abrotman | and why are you using etch, instead of lenny? |
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| 01:10.25 | bubsy | maybe he didn't upgrade |
| 01:10.27 | bubsy | :) |
| 01:10.28 | _2 | abrotman lenny craped out and etch is the only cd i had to reload with. on dialup so upgrading over the net is a no go |
| 01:10.56 | bubsy | dial-up :/ |
| 01:11.01 | bubsy | poor you |
| 01:12.00 | _2 | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c (rev 01) |
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| 01:13.45 | bubsy | that's it. Good bye for now Debian, it was fun using 8+ hours today trying to get wlan working :p |
| 01:14.33 | abrotman | bubsy: what's wrong with your wifi? |
| 01:14.50 | abrotman | _2: you'd need to have the madwifi stuff going i'd guess .. not sure if the etch madwifi would support that device |
| 01:14.59 | bubsy | I've tried SO many solutions, googled for hours and so.. It's an RT2561 card |
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| 01:15.06 | bubsy | I've tried several firmwares, upgrading the kernel |
| 01:15.15 | bubsy | played A LOT with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:15.18 | bubsy | and iwconfig/ifconfig |
| 01:15.24 | bubsy | still I can't connect, no matter what I try |
| 01:15.25 | _2 | abrotman ok. thanks i'll do some research |
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| 01:15.37 | abrotman | bubsy: does the device work at all ? |
| 01:15.40 | bubsy | yes |
| 01:15.40 | planet8 | I can't remember how, but there is a way to get apt install dependencies automatically while using the dpkg -i command, anyone who can remember how? |
| 01:15.41 | abrotman | bubsy: did you try an open AP? |
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| 01:15.51 | bubsy | there's only one ap here, and it's open |
| 01:15.54 | abrotman | planet8: apt-get -f install |
| 01:16.19 | planet8 | abrotman, yes that will do fine as well :) doh |
| 01:16.35 | pingouin | what is the plugdev , in /etc/group ? |
| 01:16.41 | abrotman | bubsy: sounds not really working .. i know it needs firmware .. can you scan and find the AP ? |
| 01:16.54 | abrotman | pingouin: roughly for hotplugging devices/automounting |
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| 01:17.06 | pingouin | hmm ok , thank you abrotman |
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| 01:17.30 | bubsy | abrotman: yes, I can find it |
| 01:17.37 | abrotman | and it just fails after that ? |
| 01:17.55 | bubsy | yah, even pinging my gateway/router doesn't work |
| 01:17.58 | bubsy | btw, I'm in a CLI only environment |
| 01:18.02 | bubsy | no desktop environment |
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| 01:18.14 | bubsy | because it's for a server box of mine |
| 01:18.21 | bubsy | a desktop environment is a waste then :) |
| 01:18.22 | abrotman | cam ypi assocoate with the AP ? |
| 01:18.29 | bubsy | what? |
| 01:18.46 | abrotman | bah .. misaligned |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | can you associate with the AP ? |
| 01:19.12 | bubsy | I think that's the problem |
| 01:19.30 | bubsy | I know the router setup blabla is okay, I had this card going strong in fedora 11 yesterday |
| 01:19.32 | bubsy | working super good, same AP |
| 01:19.52 | bubsy | I love Debian, so sad I can't get it working |
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| 01:25.53 | abrotman | bubsy: you're on a .30 kernel ? or .26? |
| 01:26.01 | bubsy | .30 |
| 01:26.04 | abrotman | bubsy: is there perhaps updated firmware ? |
| 01:26.04 | bubsy | same problem in both |
| 01:26.10 | bubsy | no, I use the very latest |
| 01:26.15 | bubsy | even tried the one from ralink (old) |
| 01:26.16 | bubsy | no go |
| 01:26.18 | bubsy | same errors on both |
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| 01:27.40 | WeCu | em |
| 01:27.43 | WeCu | hi |
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| 01:27.57 | WeCu | 'im now installing debian lenny |
| 01:28.12 | WeCu | i'm writing partitions |
| 01:28.28 | WeCu | i dont know if /dev and the root partition are same |
| 01:28.31 | WeCu | or not |
| 01:28.46 | WeCu | and if i may make a partition root with "/" |
| 01:29.04 | WeCu | anybody could help me |
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| 01:29.31 | WeCu | i think for an experimented user that are fool kuestions... |
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| 01:30.52 | abrotman | questions? |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | bubsy: how did you install the firmware? where did you put it? |
| 01:31.27 | WeCu | how i make the root partiotion |
| 01:31.30 | WeCu | on hd ? |
| 01:31.35 | bubsy | /lib/firmware |
| 01:31.36 | abrotman | WeCu: the installer does it for you |
| 01:31.37 | ajatollah | WeCu: usually /dev is part of the / partition |
| 01:31.45 | WeCu | abrotman i'm doin it manually |
| 01:31.46 | bubsy | I also did apt-get install firmware-ralink (with non-free) |
| 01:31.56 | WeCu | cause i dont want to employ all hd |
| 01:31.58 | abrotman | WeCu: shouldn't you already know how if you're doing it manually ? |
| 01:32.00 | purplepenguins | !ssb |
| 01:32.00 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 01:32.22 | abrotman | WeCu: the installer can do that |
| 01:32.23 | ajatollah | WeCu: unless you plan something weird with your device files |
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| 01:33.19 | WeCu | i want to install various Linux Distribuitions |
| 01:33.47 | WeCu | then i think i dont want to install Debian in all hd |
| 01:33.54 | abrotman | WeCu: the installer can do that |
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| 01:34.11 | WeCu | i havent seen that option |
| 01:34.15 | WeCu | well |
| 01:34.24 | WeCu | really i dont know what is LMV |
| 01:34.31 | WeCu | LVM |
| 01:34.52 | WeCu | i that the way ? |
| 01:34.54 | WeCu | is* |
| 01:35.25 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:35.25 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.2) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 01:36.14 | purplepenguins | LVM allows you to have a ton of different logical volumes that you can resize, delete and create at will, which might be helpful if you want to install a lot of different linuxes |
| 01:37.22 | abrotman | so would vmware |
| 01:37.33 | abrotman | bubsy: do you know which kernel Fed11 uses ? |
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| 01:46.28 | icyfire | Hey, I just did something stupid (cfdisk -z ) and I rewrote the partition information for my primary harddrive, is there a way to get back into the system after having done that? Grup give me a loading error when I try and boot now |
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| 01:46.50 | Evet | "aptitude full-upgrade" doesnt work |
| 01:47.23 | enouf | icyfire: try 'gpart' |
| 01:47.45 | jerbear | I know this isn't specifically debian-related, but maybe someone can help. I've got a cname setup in dnsmasq. nslookup and dig seem to see it correctly, but ping does not. What am I doing wrong? |
| 01:48.15 | icyfire | enouf: I'll give hat a shot. I'm downloading live-cd stuff now to get 'into' the machine |
| 01:49.00 | enouf | icyfire: i once did something very stupid ; cfdisk > /dev/hda (do NOT do that!) but fortunately i had done 'sfdisk -d /dev/hda > pertition.table.backup' prior |
| 01:49.51 | icyfire | Now, if i rewrite the partition table to back to what it used to be, that should be all i need to do right? then reboot and pray? |
| 01:49.54 | jmarsden | jerbear: Check where your /etc/resolv.conf is pointing to for nameservers ? |
| 01:50.02 | Evet | jerbear, did you try #bind and #dns |
| 01:50.26 | jerbear | jmarsden: it's pointing to the right place |
| 01:50.34 | jerbear | Evet: i didn't, but i will |
| 01:51.03 | Evet | well, you're trying to host a nameserver, right? |
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| 01:52.42 | jerbear | Evet: trying to setup dns for my local network |
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| 01:53.44 | Evet | jerbear, zonefile is okay? |
| 01:54.35 | jerbear | Evet: i'm not sure what that is. the instance of dnsmasq is actually built in to my router firmware. tomato |
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| 02:06.58 | bubsy | 03:37 <abrotman> bubsy: do you know which kernel Fed11 uses ? |
| 02:07.01 | bubsy | 2.6.30 |
| 02:07.02 | bubsy | I think |
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| 02:07.15 | abrotman | weird |
| 02:07.28 | bubsy | yep |
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| 02:24.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | If the uploader+maintainer field differ, should I contact the maintainer with questions about a package? |
| 02:24.23 | abrotman | one would think |
| 02:24.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | good good. |
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| 02:43.33 | Gran_Ger | hi there!! Anyone can help me to install e17 into debian? |
| 02:44.36 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 02:44.36 | dpkg | dr17 is, like, [DR17 debs] http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/ or 'e17-*' packages are available in <experimental>. DR == Development Release |
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| 03:09.24 | ic56 | I am using host B to prepare a replacement boot harddisk (/dev/hda) for host A. |
| 03:09.24 | ic56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.24 | ic56 | E but I used a USB enclosure to attach it to B. On host B, I plan to issue: gru |
| 03:09.25 | ic56 | b |
| 03:09.25 | ic56 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:10.09 | ic56 | (sorry) |
| 03:10.15 | ic56 | I am using host B to prepare a replacement boot harddisk (/dev/hda) for host A. Thus, host A's future boot partition is currently /dev/sdb2 on host B (it is IDE but I used a USB enclosure to attach it to B. On host B, I plan to issue: grub; root (hd1,1); setup (hd1) . Is this right? |
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| 03:10.43 | debian_d | what's the latest version of qt |
| 03:11.02 | debian_d | what's the latest version of qt? qt 4?? |
| 03:12.21 | markybob | debian_d, why dont you google it? |
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| 03:13.19 | debian_d | markybob: it's dowloading packages, slow net downloading ...... |
| 03:13.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | if it takes less then 3 min, it would have been faster already :) |
| 03:16.25 | debian_d | markybob: Kamping_Kaiser: it's qt4.5 , right , one site shows this |
| 03:16.28 | debian_d | ? |
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| 03:19.38 | markybob | hates lazy people |
| 03:20.18 | ic56 | debian_d: my Debian 5.0 system shows 4.4.3 as being the latest version of QT built for that release of Debian. |
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| 03:45.01 | acu | I run squeeze on AMD64 and I notice obvious delay when I browse with either firefox or konqueror - why might be the reason for slowing the browsing ? |
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| 03:45.44 | markybob | acu, possibly your isp's dns server sucks? are your ping times good? |
| 03:46.12 | zophy-64bit | yeah, they suck |
| 03:46.38 | acu | markybob, good idea I should ping from different computers - I have lenny on other workstations - and even one window$ |
| 03:47.10 | acu | but the slowing came after I upgraded from lenny to squeeze |
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| 03:47.11 | liable | ipv6 lookups can do it too |
| 03:47.35 | markybob | acu, set yourself up with opendns and see if there's a difference. |
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| 03:52.32 | purplepenguins | trying to compile a source package from sid, failing miserably |
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| 03:54.17 | zinx | purplepenguins: welcome to sid |
| 03:54.24 | acu | OK - from lenny (with a phenom) and vista from a amd64 it took 6 secs to load cnn.com but from the squeeze on a dual amd64 it took 17 secs |
| 03:54.44 | purplepenguins | i'm not using sid, i'm trying to get a source package from sid using apt-get source |
| 03:54.50 | purplepenguins | and in any case i got it right this time |
| 03:55.04 | liable | acu: how long if you put the ip in the address bar? |
| 03:55.05 | purplepenguins | apt-get update was failing because my internet is teh shit |
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| 03:58.17 | purplepenguins | huh, build-dep can't get the deps |
| 03:58.27 | purplepenguins | fantastic |
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| 03:58.47 | zinx | purplepenguins: welcome to sid. even if you aren't actively using it. |
| 03:59.08 | purplepenguins | this package is pretty much actively trying to avoid being usable on debian stable |
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| 04:01.19 | purplepenguins | eh, i give up |
| 04:06.40 | adb | if A depend of B , build(-dep) first B , than A |
| 04:06.58 | purplepenguins | awesome, 17 B/s downloading on this source package |
| 04:07.13 | adb | purplepenguins: ^^ |
| 04:07.15 | purplepenguins | i figured out that i should try to build-dep the deps first |
| 04:07.26 | purplepenguins | which is working fine, internet willing |
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| 04:11.34 | purplepenguins | but 240 B/s is never going to finish ever |
| 04:15.22 | acu | OK what happens if I get packed filtered |
| 04:15.25 | acu | if I ping |
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| 04:16.43 | RaiCoss | Heyyyyyyyyy |
| 04:17.01 | RaiCoss | Anyone home ? |
| 04:17.26 | ic56 | ask your question |
| 04:17.34 | RaiCoss | Me? |
| 04:17.59 | jmarsden | RaiCoss: Yes. Don't ask to ask, just ask. Your real question. |
| 04:18.09 | RaiCoss | Okkkkk |
| 04:18.26 | RaiCoss | How do Install the nVidia driver on Debian 5? |
| 04:18.33 | RaiCoss | do I* |
| 04:18.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | !nvidia |
| 04:18.42 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 04:19.08 | RaiCoss | Okkk |
| 04:22.49 | RaiCoss | Okkkkk the nVidia IRC is dead |
| 04:22.59 | RaiCoss | does anyone have a know? |
| 04:23.06 | RaiCoss | -have |
| 04:23.09 | RaiCoss | -a |
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| 04:24.01 | adb | RaiCoss: why not read above bot message ? |
| 04:24.06 | RaiCoss | ¬_¬ |
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| 04:24.21 | mogunus | RaiCoss: The above-linked wiki page will tell you exactly what to do. It worked fine for me. |
| 04:24.28 | mogunus | ...oh, he left. |
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| 04:25.43 | mogunus | Is there a dead-tree guide to the debian guidelines? For packaging/software/etc? |
| 04:25.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | you could print the pdf. |
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| 04:26.59 | mogunus | I was hoping for a book with user-friendly commentary/intros to said documents. I'll do that if such an entity doesn not exist. |
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| 04:27.30 | gaintsura | see this is what I love... I disable blocking of acpi, and my system starts going nuts... |
| 04:27.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | I'm not aware of one - policy/manuals seem to change pretty regularly. |
| 04:27.45 | gaintsura | but without it I don't have brightness adjustment and all other laptop functionalities :| |
| 04:28.03 | acu | I updated from lenny to squeeze and the browser slowes 3 times when I connect first to a site - once I am in the site the browsing is fast (within that site) so I guess that indeed some dns changes are required - where and what should I do - in Lenny I used Control Center Network settings but squeeze squeezed it out - |
| 04:28.09 | gaintsura | yars |
| 04:28.16 | gaintsura | I cant find a single fix to this |
| 04:29.33 | jmarsden | gaintsura: "going nuts" is not exactly a clear and specific problem description. /msg dpkg sicco |
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| 04:30.32 | gaintsura | jmarsden: my system frequently locks, and hangs for up to a minute on any thing, when I have acpi enabled, takes the rapid mouse movement to break the lock up |
| 04:31.33 | gaintsura | when I put apic=force acpi=off on the kernel line, the lock ups stop, but I no longer have any access to my fn keys |
| 04:33.29 | gaintsura | jmarsden: Aug 29 22:27:22 client0 kernel: [ 171.261699] APIC error on CPU0: 00(40); APIC error on CPU1: 00(40) <- thats where it starts |
| 04:34.34 | jmarsden | Sounds like something hardware-specific? Have you searched the BTS for "APIC error on CPU0" and looked at any results? Might be worth a try. |
| 04:34.52 | gaintsura | BTS? |
| 04:35.18 | gaintsura | jmarsden: I've done some research on this, from what I've seen its a problem with hal, but no one has spoken of a patch |
| 04:35.56 | ajavid | man |
| 04:35.59 | ajavid | my internet speed sucks |
| 04:36.03 | jmarsden | BTS: Bug Tracking System. http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 04:36.07 | gaintsura | my ISP sucks :S |
| 04:36.22 | ajavid | up 22:25 -- RX bytes:89401015168 (83.2 GiB) TX bytes:2568461695 (2.3 GiB) |
| 04:36.46 | ajavid | thats roughle 4gb/hr |
| 04:36.53 | ajavid | 1gb/15min |
| 04:36.57 | ajavid | sucks |
| 04:37.36 | jmarsden | ajavid: That depends what the ISP claims to be providing you :) |
| 04:37.53 | ajavid | I called them today |
| 04:38.00 | gaintsura | jmarsden: not sure what package to be looking under |
| 04:38.04 | ajavid | I said what do I got, 20Mbps |
| 04:38.13 | ajavid | I said I'm only getting 10Mbps |
| 04:38.19 | gaintsura | ouch |
| 04:38.22 | ajavid | I said give me tech support, and check my signal |
| 04:38.31 | acu | gainstura: what debian version you use - what laptop do you have ? cpu manuf etc |
| 04:38.32 | ajavid | They said signal is low, send a tech out on 10-12am monday |
| 04:38.33 | ajavid | :) |
| 04:39.15 | ajavid | if this is all I'm going to get, might as well just downgrade to the 10Mbps package |
| 04:39.18 | gaintsura | acu: Lenny, Toshiba A215 S2104, AMD, what else? |
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| 04:39.22 | ajavid | I'm paying for 20 and getting 10, sucks |
| 04:40.16 | jmarsden | ajavid: Not exactly a Debian-related problem, though. |
| 04:40.23 | gaintsura | s6804 sorry |
| 04:40.40 | ajavid | jmarsden, I know |
| 04:42.15 | gaintsura | haha theres a post of me talking about this same problem months ago |
| 04:42.17 | gaintsura | on google |
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| 04:45.07 | acu | gaintsura: what kernel do you run ? It maybe due to kernel version - few bugs were reported before - of course there are settings in bios you might look at - I do not remember whether is important or not - but there are options for non windows and so on - on the bios - but I am not sure if it fixes - perhaps you switch to squeeze - but if you do I would not upgrade - better go from scratch and install squeeze so everything is clean with latest kernel |
| 04:46.27 | gaintsura | acu: I think I may have found it... noapic nolapic needs to be added to the kernel line, but I hope that does not cause me to loose my fn keys again |
| 04:46.44 | acu | gaintsura, great |
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| 04:47.24 | gaintsura | acu: I'm looking for my kernel version right now, forgot the command :S |
| 04:47.58 | gaintsura | 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-17lenny2) |
| 04:47.59 | gaintsura | ^^ |
| 04:48.15 | gaintsura | I'll brb, going to try those kernel opts |
| 04:51.14 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
| 04:51.43 | _Trinity_ | To install basic Debian, do I just need the first CD? |
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| 04:51.50 | purplepenguins | yes |
| 04:51.52 | jmarsden | _Trinity_: Yes. |
| 04:52.00 | _Trinity_ | thanks |
| 04:52.22 | _Trinity_ | I'm going to try for a basic install. I assume that's still an option. |
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| 04:53.26 | _Trinity_ | say what's the difference between that basic install and a server install? Which leaves a smaller footprint if I'm going to instal a desktop anyway? |
| 04:53.33 | gaintsura | jmarsden acu: I belive I have found the solution |
| 04:53.38 | gaintsura | I'll let you know shortly |
| 04:54.37 | purplepenguins | fantastic, sid package fails to compile |
| 04:56.37 | purplepenguins | for a permissions problem? |
| 04:56.52 | purplepenguins | i'm running as root, i can't see why i can't write to the build directory |
| 04:57.00 | gaintsura | so far so good :) |
| 04:57.09 | gaintsura | attempting to get my wifi back |
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| 04:59.36 | purplepenguins | oh man, error 7, my favorite |
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| 05:07.13 | gaintsura_ | w00t network++; |
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| 05:09.06 | debian_d | what's the openoffice version for squeeze debian? |
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| 05:11.10 | tricaric | hi |
| 05:11.41 | tricaric | I'm wondering if there is a way to mount a compressed image iso.gz without first having to uncompress it... |
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| 05:14.00 | acu | debian_d: 3.0 |
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| 05:14.52 | acu | debian_d: 3.10 |
| 05:14.58 | acu | openoffice.org |
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| 05:16.03 | gaintsura | yeah wifi :D |
| 05:16.31 | morpheuss | once i login into a user account,if i try to login into other account using GUI |
| 05:16.33 | CryptoMole | hi all I am in search of debian etch 4.0 download |
| 05:16.47 | morpheuss | a blank screen appears |
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| 05:17.17 | morpheuss | what can be the problem? |
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| 05:24.26 | crackintosh | I would like to upgrade to lenny for a server running tomcat and a lamp application. the dist upgrade suggests that ecj will be installed along with new php and mysql. If I upgrade, what is the best way to preserve my php.ini and my.cnf files? should I just make a copy and modify the files myself after the upgrade? |
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| 05:30.23 | gaintsura | crackintosh: make backups of your configurations, do the updates, run a diff, then modify if needed |
| 05:30.37 | gaintsura | it shouldn't overwrite anything, but be safe and make a backup |
| 05:31.21 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:32.40 | gaintsura | bullgard4: I suggest you pull out a networking book or google :) |
| 05:33.14 | bullgard4 | gaintsura: I suggest to be helpful while lingering in this channel. |
| 05:33.41 | gaintsura | uhm |
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| 05:34.00 | gaintsura | its not a requirement to hand you your answer in a golden basket |
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| 05:35.03 | gaintsura | bullgard4: this will explain it all (google) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encapsulation_(networking) |
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| 05:45.04 | bullgard4 | gaintsura: The articles which you suggested explains - as the headline clearly says - encasulation in networking. The article does not define link encapsulation. It just mentions it. So it does not answer the question which I have put. |
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| 05:45.33 | bullgard4 | s/encasulation/encapsulation/ |
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| 05:49.23 | morpheuss | im unable to login in another account once i logged out |
| 05:49.41 | morpheuss | uisng GUI |
| 05:50.47 | bullgard4 | morpheuss: You should look for an error message, for example in /var/log/syslog. |
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| 05:53.26 | tamusluy | hiwk, is it safe to install linux-image-*-amd64 from linux-image-*i686? since i;m having amd64 machine |
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| 06:09.38 | grazymax | hi all |
| 06:11.05 | Wyzard | tamusluy: That should be safe, but don't uninstall the -686 kernel until you've successfully booted the -amd64 one, so that you can still boot the -686 kernel if necessary |
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| 06:23.05 | shijith | help on making globus toolkit? |
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| 06:23.49 | shijith | error in java_wc_core |
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| 06:23.59 | shijith | anyone? |
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| 07:36.59 | brbrbr | greeting all |
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| 07:38.09 | kolpur | is there any tool to convert a flv file to mp3 ?? |
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| 07:40.23 | valdyn | kolpur: a movie to a pure music file? |
| 07:40.32 | harrachi | hi, |
| 07:40.42 | kolpur | not a movie .. a youtube video |
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| 07:40.56 | valdyn | kolpur: thats what i mean |
| 07:40.59 | kolpur | i tried with ffmpeg but dint get it .. |
| 07:41.05 | kolpur | ya .. a small video |
| 07:41.13 | kolpur | i want to extract the audio from that .. |
| 07:41.18 | kolpur | the video format is flv |
| 07:41.22 | harrachi | i have a question about how to re-install debian when you have two windows behind and you want to keep it ? |
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| 07:41.43 | harrachi | srry (a windows and a debian) |
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| 07:43.58 | icyfire | enouf: Thanks for the top on gpart, worked great! |
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| 07:47.13 | Woodi | harrachi: just install new on another partition and make grub can boot any of that three |
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| 07:48.18 | Woodi | err, reinstall ? just reinstall and use grub for booting |
| 07:48.27 | harrachi | woodi: but new partition space will be taken from which when? |
| 07:49.14 | Woodi | harrachi: first: you want to reinstall debian and it have its own partition now ? |
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| 07:51.07 | harrachi | woodi: i have a partition windows, and a partition debian, what i want is toinstall a minimal debian version on the debian parition with the net-install cd |
| 07:51.41 | sash_ | good morning everybody. when i used ubuntu before, i wrote/modified a script to show some things about my battery in the eeepc. it used data from /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0. in lenny, this directory does not exist. where can i find similar information in lenny? |
| 07:52.30 | Woodi | harrachi: then just install debian from net-install. use manual partitioning. |
| 07:52.59 | harrachi | woodi: wont it erase windows data? |
| 07:53.12 | Woodi | do not allow to autoformat hard disk; you can format debian partition if you want |
| 07:53.39 | Woodi | harrachi: just do not touch window partition and should be ok |
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| 07:53.46 | harrachi | woodi: ok thanks |
| 07:53.58 | harrachi | woodi: thanks a lot |
| 07:53.59 | Woodi | btw. why you want to reinstall debian ? |
| 07:54.03 | Woodi | np man |
| 07:54.24 | simonrvn | sash_: you probably just have to load some modules.. |
| 07:54.30 | harrachi | woodi: want to run openbox with it |
| 07:55.07 | simonrvn | ...so you reinstalled...? |
| 07:55.29 | sash_ | simonrvn: acpi-modules, i think? |
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| 07:55.48 | Woodi | harrachi: you can install window manager on old debian i think |
| 07:55.50 | simonrvn | sash_: probably some cpu governor stuffs too |
| 07:56.03 | sash_ | k, will look for it. thanks |
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| 07:56.05 | simonrvn | ask swellie she's got a netbook i think |
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| 07:57.11 | sash_ | just funny that powertop works... |
| 07:57.13 | harrachi | woodi: aah yes, but still i want to clean every thing and just install what i want |
| 07:57.16 | Danic | hi, what do I have to write in apt/sources-list to download install "http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/libapache2-mod-wsgi" with apt-get? |
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| 07:57.28 | ajavid | hey |
| 07:57.29 | Danic |
using debian lenny |
| 07:57.39 | ajavid | is there anyway to undo a fucked up `rename` command? |
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| 07:57.43 | lvh | i love powertop |
| 07:57.45 | ajavid | screwey file names :) |
| 07:58.06 | lvh | powertop showed me the irony of gnome-power-manager guzzling 30% of my power |
| 07:58.07 | Woodi | harrachi: remeber about backup of data. gl |
| 07:58.14 | ajavid | rename 's/^.*15\.mp4/13\.mp4/' *.mp4 |
| 07:58.23 | ajavid | so now I have a bad file |
| 07:58.29 | harrachi | woodi: yep, thanx |
| 07:58.30 | ajavid | I have one file named 13.mp4 |
| 07:58.38 | ajavid | and rest didn't get renamed |
| 07:58.41 | ajavid | :( |
| 07:58.43 | holycow | can we have cilek-- baned please? |
| 07:59.02 | lvh | speaking of which, if i want to set a bunch of custom commands that I want run at boot time, things like : echo min_power > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/link_power_management_policy |
| 07:59.07 | lvh | what's the correct plcae to put that? |
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| 08:00.57 | Dyllan | When i install my custom .deb file, everything install and works 100%, however the gdebi app does not show the 'Re-Install' option or 'Installed' it only shows 'Install' so it's like it doesnt recognise it is installed, any ideas, do i have to add something to my control file? - thanks |
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| 08:01.20 | ddalton | hey anyone here kno wat sshcp is called in debian? i can't find it |
| 08:01.51 | JohannesSM64 | i can't find an option to open folders in the same window instead of opening a new window for each folder double click in nautilus in debian |
| 08:02.11 | simonrvn | ddalton: try english so we know wth you're asking |
| 08:02.14 | ajavid | rename 's/^.*15\.mp4/13\.mp4/' *.mp4 |
| 08:02.15 | ddalton | oh shit its scp sorry i got it |
| 08:02.18 | ajavid | my replace part is wrong |
| 08:02.33 | simonrvn | ddalton: nm then. have fun |
| 08:02.33 | ajavid | can anyone advise what I need to replace it |
| 08:02.34 | ddalton | sorry msn talk lol |
| 08:02.42 | ddalton | thanx |
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| 08:03.10 | AppDeb | anyone knows why when I ssh in a debian lenny, the screen flashes white when I repeatedly press a key? (say pressing backspace continiously in the bash prompt). Btw it doesn't happen in other linux box, so it is not an ssh client setting. |
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| 08:04.36 | lvh | AppDeb: It doesnt happen with any other key than backspace? |
| 08:04.59 | lvh | maybe it's visual bell? :-) |
| 08:06.06 | AppDeb | lvh: it happens with any key, the visual bell is disabled in the ssh client, it doesn;t happen when I ssh into gentoo for example, with the same client |
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| 08:08.29 | lvh | AppDeb: Which client? |
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| 08:08.49 | AppDeb | lvh: Putty in windows |
| 08:09.40 | Woodi | AppDeb: confirm, my putty do the same |
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| 08:10.01 | lvh | AppDeb: What is the bell set to then? |
| 08:10.04 | jelly-home | !ops cilek-- onjoin spam |
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| 08:10.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: cilek-- onjoin spam |
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| 08:10.35 | lvh | AppDeb: I think you need to restart any open ssh sessions before putty does that. |
| 08:10.50 | Woodi | AppDeb: but only when i use screen. and for sure flashes are better then beeps man |
| 08:11.03 | lvh | AppDeb: Also, I think Gentoo's default ssh server blocks ^G, so you dont see any bells. |
| 08:11.10 | AppDeb | lvh: everything disabled, as I said with the same settings in the gentoo box it doesn't happen, maybe it is a setting in the default .bashrc of debian? |
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| 08:12.08 | AppDeb | Woodi: yea, but a black screen flashing full bright is annoying too :P |
| 08:12.47 | lvh | AppDeb: "everything disabled"? |
| 08:12.50 | Woodi | AppDeb: do not presing backspape on epty command line helps :) |
| 08:13.12 | AppDeb | Woodi: I try to avoid extra input but sometimes it happens :) |
| 08:13.15 | lvh | AppDeb: Bell panel has a "bell style" dropdown. What is it set to? |
| 08:13.48 | valdyn | Dyllan: it could be just the package name that is wrong |
| 08:13.50 | AppDeb | lvh: none bell disabled |
| 08:14.04 | valdyn | Dyllan: it could be just the package or file name that is wrong |
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| 08:14.47 | lvh | AppDeb: did you restart all putty sessions after doing that? I know that putty's terminal-specific settings are loaded once per session. |
| 08:15.05 | AppDeb | lvh: yeah |
| 08:16.30 | Woodi | AppDeb: in bash: set bell-style visible |
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| 08:16.46 | Woodi | err, s/visible/none/ |
| 08:17.53 | AppDeb | Woodi: can you give a little more info how to do that? |
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| 08:19.10 | Woodi | AppDeb: put it in ~/.bashrc ; maybe try first on cmd |
| 08:19.24 | sash_ | i think, i found all information, i need in /sys/bus/acpi/drivers/battery/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0. just will have to rewrite the paths in the script, i hope |
| 08:19.33 | AppDeb | Woodi: set bell-style visible? |
| 08:20.09 | Woodi | AppDeb: set bell-style none |
| 08:20.41 | AppDeb | Woodi: it still flashes |
| 08:22.01 | Woodi | me too :) |
| 08:22.08 | maour | what's the different between checking cd-rom integrit and checking cd-rom by md5sum ? |
| 08:22.10 | Woodi | do you use screen ? |
| 08:22.28 | AppDeb | Woodi: yes |
| 08:22.33 | valdyn | maour: maybe none |
| 08:22.48 | maour | ok , thanks |
| 08:22.50 | Woodi | then press ^A^G |
| 08:23.08 | AppDeb | Woodi: yeah doesnt seem to happen in non-screen session |
| 08:23.13 | valdyn | maour: maybe checking the integrity is only checking if the CD is readable while checking by md5sum checks if the cd is readable and the content is exactly what its supposed to be |
| 08:23.30 | AppDeb | Woodi: what does ^G do? |
| 08:23.47 | Woodi | ^G is key to make bell ;) |
| 08:24.03 | Woodi | press Ctrl-A and Ctrl-G |
| 08:24.30 | AppDeb | Woodi:ok switched to audible and now doesn't happen |
| 08:24.57 | Woodi | AppDeb: i found something like that: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Visual-Bell.html |
| 08:25.20 | AppDeb | Woodi: do you know how can I default screen bell to audible? |
| 08:25.30 | Woodi | you can change entries in termcap |
| 08:25.50 | Woodi | no, but probably man screen will help |
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| 08:26.37 | Woodi | vbell of in screen config |
| 08:26.40 | AppDeb | Woodi: yeah the page that you tell me says to look into screen manpage, I will found out, thanks! |
| 08:27.08 | Woodi | np man |
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| 08:28.15 | omid8bimo | is there any tool to adjust RGB color? i've installed ATI driver for my card and now some colors are not normal |
| 08:29.14 | AppDeb | omid8bimo: the Catalyst Control Center has some settings for colors. |
| 08:29.34 | xray492 | omid8bimo: amdcccle |
| 08:29.51 | omid8bimo | AppDeb: yeah i've seen that. but it looks default, if i change it, it become worse |
| 08:30.16 | AppDeb | omid8bimo: you can also try xgamma |
| 08:31.04 | omid8bimo | AppDeb: let me try this one |
| 08:31.29 | AppDeb | omid8bimo: what is your card? |
| 08:32.14 | omid8bimo | AppDeb: ATI Radeon 3000 series |
| 08:32.26 | omid8bimo | AppDeb: i've dled 80MB driver from ATI |
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| 08:34.09 | omid8bimo | i just figured something!!! :O |
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| 08:42.21 | omid8bimo | AppDeb: RGB color is correct in system, it's only not correct inside firefox!! |
| 08:43.37 | AppDeb | omid8bimo: that is strange |
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| 08:43.53 | AppDeb | omid8bimo: how did you changed it |
| 08:43.55 | dutchfish | omid8bimo, which version of iceweasel and system are you running? |
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| 08:50.48 | memic | if i build i live cd |
| 08:51.07 | LittleDedPenguin | they will come |
| 08:51.12 | memic | a live cd can i edit stuff in chroot? |
| 08:51.17 | memic | to make changes? |
| 08:51.22 | lvh | memic: yes |
| 08:51.40 | lvh | 90% of the time you dont even need chroot |
| 08:51.54 | memic | yes i need to change configs etc |
| 08:52.02 | memic | add additional files there |
| 08:52.05 | dutchfish | memic, you can even instal stuff in a running instance |
| 08:52.05 | eoke | Hi I'm in the process of trying to install debian lenny stable on my laptop however after selecting expert install it starts listing my hardware but then just stops. What's the normal process for ascertaining what the problem might actually be? |
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| 08:52.35 | memic | dutchfish thats not what i need ;) but thx |
| 08:52.46 | memic | i need a minimal system to install other stuff |
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| 08:52.50 | memic | and need scripts there |
| 08:52.54 | memic | in my life system |
| 08:52.56 | dutchfish | memic, can be done |
| 08:53.02 | eoke | The last three lines are "Product: 02 Micro CCID SC Reader", "Manufacturer 02" and "configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice". |
| 08:53.08 | lvh | eoke: What does 'stop' mean? Does the system hang? |
| 08:53.26 | eoke | lvh Blinking cursor below the above three lines. |
| 08:53.35 | lvh | eoke: Is numlock responsive? |
| 08:53.49 | memic | dutchfish is there a way of installing this image on harddisk? |
| 08:53.52 | eoke | Oh and doesn't respond to CTRL ALT Del but numlock etc is responsive. |
| 08:53.56 | lvh | eoke: Are any of the num/caps/scroll lock leds flashing? |
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| 08:54.01 | memic | once created? |
| 08:54.03 | eoke | lvh No |
| 08:54.05 | lvh | eoke: Okay, new laptop? |
| 08:54.10 | dutchfish | memic, yes |
| 08:54.16 | memic | how |
| 08:54.18 | lvh | eoke: (eg: tell me the brand and model and year of production) |
| 08:54.20 | memic | is there a manual? |
| 08:54.22 | eoke | Nope previously been running Ubuntu 7.10 - 9.04. |
| 08:54.23 | dutchfish | memic, mount -o loop it |
| 08:54.31 | lvh | eoke: Hm! That's strange. |
| 08:54.42 | lvh | eoke: Try booting it with noapic noacpi and see if that resolves the problem. |
| 08:54.45 | eoke | lvh Dell M65 2007 |
| 08:54.46 | memic | and copy over? |
| 08:54.49 | memic | or rsync? |
| 08:55.00 | eoke | Cheers lvh will do. |
| 08:55.00 | dutchfish | memic, whever, but rem you can change a mounted iso |
| 08:55.09 | lvh | eoke: Sorry, I think I'd need to be physically on the laptop to debug that :-) |
| 08:55.13 | dutchfish | memic, but not diretcly |
| 08:55.27 | memic | dutchfish yes |
| 08:55.31 | dutchfish | memic, but this is not the proper way to do it |
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| 08:55.40 | eoke | lvh: no problem it's a new one on me to, I've been using debian as a server for quite some time with no problem now. |
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| 08:56.02 | memic | whats the proper way than |
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| 08:56.27 | dutchfish | memic, http://live.debian.net/manual/html/ |
| 08:56.28 | memic | i have so many files manually changed i my image i want to install |
| 08:57.12 | memic | and i need to change so many config files |
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| 08:57.36 | dutchfish | memic, another way is to stream the changes of the running instance to disk/usb/nfs-share whatever |
| 08:57.37 | holycow | save just those files to ftp/usb and move them to your install once you install debian? |
| 08:59.01 | dutchfish | memic, like this: http://live.debian.net/manual/html/persistence.html#id565471 |
| 08:59.08 | memic | dutchfish |
| 08:59.11 | memic | what i need is |
| 08:59.19 | memic | a live system which starts an installer |
| 08:59.25 | eoke | lvh: disabling acpi doesn't seem to have helped, but thanks for trying to help. |
| 08:59.27 | memic | which makes a lot of changes to configs |
| 08:59.34 | memic | ask where to install |
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| 08:59.44 | memic | and installs a new system to harddrive |
| 08:59.50 | dutchfish | memic, then you need to build your own debian-installer |
| 09:00.05 | memic | dutchfish is there a howto ;) |
| 09:00.13 | dutchfish | memic, or a fai |
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| 09:00.27 | memic | fai? |
| 09:00.43 | dutchfish | !fai |
| 09:00.43 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 09:01.14 | memic | ah sweet |
| 09:01.49 | memic | thats what im looking for |
| 09:02.00 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 09:02.15 | memic | dutchfish thx one day i buy u a beer ;) |
| 09:02.25 | dutchfish | memic, yw |
| 09:02.41 | lvh | eoke: I'd love to help, but I'm afraid I can't really without physically being on the box. Perhaps you should try a debian-installer nightly |
| 09:03.22 | dutchfish | eoke, have you tried the noapic kline? |
| 09:03.29 | eoke | lvh: No problem, I'm grateful for you efforts so far, just trying another deban cd I've got kicking around Lenny i386 see if that'll make any difference. |
| 09:03.39 | eoke | Could even be dodgy image / cd. |
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| 09:04.01 | lvh | eoke: good luck |
| 09:04.02 | dutchfish | eoke, there is an option inside to check the installer cd |
| 09:04.11 | eoke | dutchfish: I tried apci=off is that the same thing? |
| 09:04.24 | dutchfish | eoke, noapic is different |
| 09:04.40 | eoke | dutchfish: Cheers I'll try that to |
| 09:05.32 | eoke | Turns out the i386 CD is working, I think I'm just going to burn a fresh AMD64 iso and see if that fixes it. |
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| 09:05.48 | eoke | I'll let you guys know and cheers for all the help you've both been great. |
| 09:05.54 | dutchfish | eoke, another option is to try one of kmuto's http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 09:06.26 | dutchfish | eoke, if you are on new hardware |
| 09:06.34 | eoke | dutchfish: Cheers, I'll take a look. |
| 09:06.45 | dutchfish | eoke, yw |
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| 09:13.57 | harrachi | hi, |
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| 09:14.33 | harrachi | how to install debian on a specific partition |
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| 09:14.53 | harrachi | when during the installation i can say, install it here? |
| 09:15.02 | dutchfish | harrachi, when you use export install modus you can choose on which partition and how big |
| 09:15.47 | harrachi | is it after setting paritions ? |
| 09:16.09 | dutchfish | harrachi, it is setting partitions or create them manually |
| 09:16.47 | harrachi | dutchfish, they already exist |
| 09:16.54 | memic | dutchfish hm fai needs an nfs server for getting the image |
| 09:17.03 | memic | i need everything on one cd |
| 09:17.07 | dutchfish | harrachi, sure, but you can recreate them or use them, to your needs |
| 09:17.36 | harrachi | dutchfish, now juste install on one of them debian |
| 09:17.47 | harrachi | dutchfish, no juste install on one of them debian |
| 09:18.01 | dutchfish | memic, going bu live cd is the easiets way, recreating your own installer i smuch harder but can be done |
| 09:18.07 | dutchfish | s/bu/by |
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| 09:18.40 | memic | hm yes |
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| 09:19.31 | dutchfish | harrachi, you can do that by choosing manually create, then for example by choosing one, you have an option to not recreate but use it |
| 09:20.02 | dutchfish | harrachi, rem that you can mess up the system by overwriting the wrong ones |
| 09:20.13 | dutchfish | harrachi, backup! |
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| 09:21.02 | harrachi | yep, on the one where i want to install, i dont mind, but the one i dont want to miss is a windows one; by the way what is nfts |
| 09:21.18 | dutchfish | !ntfs |
| 09:21.18 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 main drivers in Debian: the Linux kernel driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 09:21.20 | harrachi | it s written behin the windows partition |
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| 09:21.45 | dutchfish | but dont use thta for installing debian on it |
| 09:21.52 | dutchfish | go by ext3 |
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| 09:23.48 | omid8bimo | AppDeb: yeah it is strange! i didn't change anything. i use firfox3.5 directly from mozilla website |
| 09:23.52 | harrachi | dutchfish, no, n1 primary 110 go B nfts |
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| 09:24.10 | omid8bimo | dutchfish: it's not iceweasel, it's firefox 3.5 from mozilla website |
| 09:24.11 | dutchfish | harrachi, thats probably your windows partition |
| 09:24.15 | harrachi | dutchfish, n2 primary 542 mo F swap |
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| 09:24.27 | omid8bimo | i guess it's firefox's lib issue |
| 09:24.37 | harrachi | dutchfish, n3 primary 9.3 g K |
| 09:24.46 | harrachi | dutchfish, n3 primary 9.3 g K ext3 |
| 09:24.47 | dutchfish | omid8bimo, normally iceweasel is used in debian (its firefox with its own branding) |
| 09:25.02 | dutchfish | !iceweasel |
| 09:25.02 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 09:25.18 | omid8bimo | dutchfish: i know that :D |
| 09:25.25 | harrachi | dutchfish, so i leave ext3 and it will install debian on the third one? |
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| 09:26.22 | dutchfish | harrachi, whats already on that one? |
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| 09:26.52 | dutchfish | harrachi, if there is important data on it backup first |
| 09:26.59 | harrachi | dutchfish, a debian, but i want a minimal one |
| 09:27.12 | harrachi | dutchfish, no |
| 09:27.14 | dutchfish | harrachi, ah ok, i gues you know your system |
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| 09:28.19 | harrachi | dutchfish, and will it crypt it? |
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| 09:28.30 | mcgreg | hi |
| 09:28.31 | harrachi | dutchfish, will it ask for it? |
| 09:28.32 | dutchfish | harrachi, not by default |
| 09:29.12 | harrachi | dutchfish, where can i ask for it? |
| 09:29.23 | mcgreg | as far as I understood Luinux has support for blutooth , correct? my laptop loads some bluetooth kernelk modules but I cant find any bletooth adaptaer, nor tells me lsusb or lspci there is any... I dont nerstand what happening |
| 09:29.42 | dutchfish | harrachi, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_data_encryption_tips |
| 09:30.01 | harrachi | dutchfish, thanx :) |
| 09:30.06 | dutchfish | harrachi, yw |
| 09:31.50 | dutchfish | mcgreg, it depends a bit on what version of debian and if your hardware is supported, bluetooth configuring is not my strongest point, but you can go by bluez |
| 09:32.30 | dutchfish | mcgreg, there are also gui's for gnome or kde, but thats a hairy road somethimes |
| 09:32.44 | mcgreg | dutchfish, bluez is installed. frpom beginnin: hciconfig doesnt find anything |
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| 09:33.13 | dutchfish | mcgreg, http://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth |
| 09:33.16 | henux | do i need to restart /etc/init.d/networking if i make changes to /etc/hosts.allow ? |
| 09:33.34 | dutchfish | henux, what changes, mostly no |
| 09:33.48 | enouf | no |
| 09:33.49 | henux | dutchfish: i added "ALL: <ipaddr>" |
| 09:33.51 | dutchfish | henux, but sshd might need |
| 09:33.58 | henux | okay thanks |
| 09:34.24 | henux | for some reason i am not able to remote login to a server |
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| 09:34.37 | henux | i added my ip to the /etc/hosts.allow |
| 09:34.41 | dutchfish | henux, you can ping it? |
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| 09:34.44 | henux | yes |
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| 09:34.55 | henux | the server has "ALL: ALL" in /etc/hosts.deny |
| 09:35.10 | henux | and the machine is located about a kilometer away from my home |
| 09:35.30 | henux | i didnt restart /etc/init.d/networking or sshd tho |
| 09:35.31 | dutchfish | henux, is the servers /etc/network/interfaces properly configured, and things like /etc/hosts resolv.cfg ? |
| 09:35.42 | henux | i think yes |
| 09:35.51 | dutchfish | henux, double chekc thta first |
| 09:35.58 | henux | logging into it from elsewhere succeeded |
| 09:36.11 | henux | but i will next time i go there |
| 09:36.31 | dutchfish | henux, ah, theniptables or a firewall in front might be the couse or a switch in front with block rules |
| 09:36.36 | chellomere | henux, changing networking options, rebooting etc from remote is very very risky, you shouldn't attempt it unless absolutely necessary. |
| 09:36.57 | henux | chellomere: yes and i did't reboot it remotely |
| 09:37.23 | henux | the machine is located about a kilometer from my home, i just want there about a hour ago and tried to allow remote access to it from my home appartment |
| 09:37.31 | henux | s/want/went/ |
| 09:37.36 | chellomere | yeah, I just listed another thing that is risky :) |
| 09:37.41 | henux | ah i see |
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| 09:38.23 | henux | can you recmmend me a good intro to iptables ? |
| 09:39.01 | ewet | hi, since when does this possibility exist: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/? |
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| 09:40.11 | dutchfish | henux, /usr/share/doc/iptables |
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| 09:40.51 | dutchfish | henux, its already in iptables package |
| 09:41.08 | henux | thanks |
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| 09:42.17 | dutchfish | henux, or http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/ |
| 09:43.09 | simonrvn | ewet: what? |
| 09:43.29 | dutchfish | ewet, since woody |
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| 09:43.56 | ewet | who needs this crap? I have never seen this :/ |
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| 09:44.07 | dutchfish | ewet, you can even script your sources-list |
| 09:44.22 | dutchfish | ewet, but others might |
| 09:44.31 | chellomere | ewet, packages can install files into it |
| 09:45.24 | dutchfish | ewet, i use that per example for my personal repos |
| 09:45.33 | ewet | oh that's really cool ... so now packages can do crap with my repo system?! |
| 09:45.40 | ewet | holy mother :( |
| 09:45.43 | dutchfish | ewet, no |
| 09:46.01 | dutchfish | ewet, read up the fine mauals before making assumptions |
| 09:46.31 | mcgreg | dutchfish, buw A |
| 09:46.34 | mcgreg | SRY |
| 09:46.39 | chellomere | packages CAN do anything. that doesn't mean that they are allowed to, by policy |
| 09:46.57 | dutchfish | chellomere, bingo |
| 09:47.29 | ewet | did it come from ubuntu? |
| 09:47.29 | mcgreg | dutchfish, but a usual question. IF I had a bluetooth hardwqare, either lspci OR lsusb would show something, no matter IF linux kernel has support for it, or not, right? |
| 09:47.29 | chellomere | but I HAVE seen packages installing files into there. and no, the packages weren't official. |
| 09:47.51 | dutchfish | chellomere, a reason extra to pick your non-officials very carefully |
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| 09:48.21 | dutchfish | chellomere, or dont use them at all |
| 09:48.37 | chellomere | yeah |
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| 09:48.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | ewet: packages can edit sources.list directly if they want ... |
| 09:48.59 | dutchfish | chellomere, or make your own, if you are really enlightened by this ;) |
| 09:49.04 | chellomere | packages can install rootkits if they want |
| 09:49.27 | chellomere | packages can rm -rf / if they want |
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| 09:53.13 | chellomere | did I kill the conversation? :) |
| 09:53.33 | ewet | oh whatever... this doesn't make sense anyway. you could do anything with one file as well... but I don't really want to start a discussion here. I was just amazed to see it. I bet it's from ubuntu origin... |
| 09:53.58 | ewet | more and more I really like to have a kiss distro again (but that's just me) |
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| 09:54.00 | dutchfish | chellomere, one mor ething, i saw this being used by hardware vendors for there own repos; that way they stay out of the standard /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:54.29 | dutchfish | chellomere, so it can be used for the good or the bad |
| 09:54.33 | chellomere | dutchfish, I saw it being used by dell, for their firmware and firmware upgrade tools repos |
| 09:54.37 | chellomere | yeah |
| 09:54.43 | dutchfish | chellomere, yes, xen |
| 09:55.18 | dutchfish | chellomere, the xen flash verison i ment |
| 09:55.25 | chellomere | ok |
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| 09:55.38 | chellomere | and I must say that it's cool that dell provides linux tools and debian/ubuntu packages for upgrading bios firmware et al |
| 09:55.48 | dutchfish | s/verison/version |
| 09:56.02 | dutchfish | chellomere, chapeaux |
| 09:56.32 | chellomere | chapeaux? |
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| 09:56.46 | dutchfish | chellomere, sorry i ment kudos to them |
| 09:56.49 | datenritter | i have a problem with icedove 2.0.0.19 here, a damaged inbox-file as it seems. any idea where i should ask? |
| 09:57.10 | chellomere | dutchfish, ah yeah, I googled it, found out that it meant 'hat', and guessed that it meant 'hat off' :) |
| 09:57.22 | dutchfish | chellomere, :) |
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| 10:02.42 | sash_ | general question: can i just have stable-support here, or do you also support testing / unstable? |
| 10:03.21 | dutchfish | sash_, ask |
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| 10:04.32 | enouf | sash_: depemds |
| 10:04.48 | enouf | sash_: depends even |
| 10:05.03 | sash_ | dutchfish: i know ^^ this was just meant in a general way. but my question is: what about python 2.6 in debian testing? cannot find a main-package in the repositories but would need it for my eeepc (eee-control needs it, i think) |
| 10:05.05 | chellomere | sash_, it all depends on the question. with testing, you're supposed to have more clue, and with unstable, you're supposed to know the system well, and newbie questions would definitely not be tolerated. |
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| 10:05.44 | dutchfish | sash_, aptitude search python ? |
| 10:05.59 | dutchfish | sash_, 2.5 |
| 10:06.12 | debian_d | enouf: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ lenny-backports main , adding this line in sources.list , to install from backports, do i have to add this line too "deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian/ lenny-backports main" ? |
| 10:06.42 | dutchfish | debian_d, only if you need osurce packages |
| 10:06.49 | dutchfish | s/osurce/source |
| 10:06.49 | sash_ | dutchfish: exactly. but i would need 2.6 perhaps i can just link it. will see. |
| 10:07.12 | chellomere | sash_, python 2.6 has not come longer than at experimental at the moment. |
| 10:07.13 | dutchfish | sash_, it does thta by install |
| 10:07.13 | dutchfish | s/thata/that |
| 10:07.25 | debian_d | dutchfish: can you tell in detail please? |
| 10:07.49 | dutchfish | sash_, fyi i am running squeeze with python 2.6, hold on |
| 10:08.06 | chellomere | debian_d, only if you need to be able to invoke apt-get source to retrieve package sources. |
| 10:08.25 | debian_d | dutchfish: when do we need this ? deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian/ lenny-backports main" |
| 10:08.40 | chellomere | dutchfish, please don't advise people on how to break their system. |
| 10:08.48 | debian_d | dutchfish: when "deb" and when "deb-src" ? |
| 10:08.58 | chellomere | getting that eee-control thingy to work with python 2.5 would be the less dangerous path. |
| 10:09.03 | dutchfish | my mistake http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/python-defaults.html its 2.5 |
| 10:09.10 | sash_ | well, eee-control says, it needs python2.6 but cannot find it. in /usr/lib/ i got python2.6, but just with a directory distpackages in it |
| 10:09.18 | sash_ | chellomere: k, will try that. |
| 10:09.47 | chellomere | sash_, what exactly is the error message and from where do you get it? |
| 10:09.59 | debian_d | dutchfish: i want to install pidgin 2.5.8 from backports , "deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian/ lenny-backports main" if i add this line will it do the job/ |
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| 10:10.07 | chellomere | and where did you get eee-control from? |
| 10:10.28 | dutchfish | debian_d, if backports hold the binary package there is no need for a deb-src line |
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| 10:11.00 | chellomere | debian_d, you do not need a deb-src then if you just want to install binary packages. |
| 10:11.21 | chellomere | but it won't cause any problems if you have one. |
| 10:12.15 | dutchfish | chellomere, it can make toruble if he needs sources in the future |
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| 10:12.42 | chellomere | dutchfish, could perhaps |
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| 10:12.57 | vargadanis | good day everyone... |
| 10:13.03 | sash_ | chellomere: http://greg.geekmind.org/eee-control/ <- got it from there. i first tried the .tar.gz, made a deb of it with alien and installed it to /opt/eee-control. it didn't start because it could not find ioport, what shall be imported. after that, i just _tried_ to install the jaunty-package that needs python2.6 as a dependency. but i would be happier having the tar.gz installed in /opt, than having the jaunty.deb installed. |
| 10:14.09 | chellomere | sash_, you're better off with the .tar.gz, yes. |
| 10:14.11 | vargadanis | I am not that much experienced in using debian therefore i have got a question... I have a windows machine on the lan and i have a printer attached to it... unfortunatelly i was unable to find a driver for the printer for linux... is there a way to make it usable even from under linux? |
| 10:14.43 | debian_d | dutchfish: enouf: chellomere: how would i be sure that a package is being installed from backports? i typed "sudo aptitude -t lenny-backports install openoffice.org" http://pastebin.com/m4446773f is it being installed from backports , here i see jp.debian.org also http://pastebin.com/m4446773f |
| 10:14.47 | chellomere | sash_, also note that there are hardy/intrepid packages, those might depend on an older python |
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| 10:15.26 | chellomere | debian_d, Get:4 http://www.backports.org lenny-backports/main dictionaries-common 1.0.0~bpo50+1 [279kB] |
| 10:15.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian_d: what did you ask it to install? |
| 10:16.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, oo.o |
| 10:16.06 | chellomere | debian_d, all dependencies of a package in backports don't need to be there. but with -t lenny-backports you told it to get stuff from there if possible. |
| 10:16.42 | sash_ | yes, have seen it. i am going to find the problems with ioport. had two other problems before (also python, python-support was it, I think), but i just dont know, where i can find ioport. i even dont know, what i exactly is... |
| 10:16.59 | chellomere | debian_d, you already have openoffice.org installed, tho? |
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| 10:17.17 | chellomere | sash_, I have no idea what python ioport is, you better google it. |
| 10:17.25 | debian_d | chellomere: that means if aptitude finds the dependencies from ftp.jp.debian.org , will it go there instead of backports? |
| 10:17.34 | chellomere | debian_d, no. the inverse. |
| 10:17.37 | debian_d | chellomere: no , i haven't installed openoffice |
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| 10:18.04 | chellomere | debian_d, type 'apt-cache policy openoffice.org' |
| 10:18.24 | sash_ | chellomere: i am not sure, if it is python thing. i mean, it is imported like os. you know, what i mean? first lines in code are: "import os <break> import ioport" |
| 10:18.42 | chellomere | sash_, those are python libraries. |
| 10:19.20 | dutchfish | sash_, http://www.hare.demon.co.uk/ioport/ioport.html |
| 10:19.24 | chellomere | sash_, http://www.hare.demon.co.uk/ioport/ioport.html is the first hit on google |
| 10:19.32 | debian_d | chellomere: so if aptitude doesn't find dependencies from backports , it goes to ftp.jp.debian.org?? |
| 10:19.42 | chellomere | debian_d, yes. |
| 10:19.47 | sash_ | found it 2 seconds ago, guys ^^ |
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| 10:20.22 | debian_d | chellomere: http://pastebin.com/m2b9c14f9 , got this , what does it mean ? |
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| 10:20.29 | dutchfish | mumbles something about in sync |
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| 10:21.25 | chellomere | debian_d, that you haven't installed any version of openoffice.org, but that it will try to install the one from lenny (1:2.4.1+dfsg-1) unless you specifically tell it to install the one from backports. |
| 10:21.27 | BleSS | there was a tool for when you build compile a program, it was used before of install it (sudo make install), for that could be easily uninstalled, what's its name? |
| 10:21.41 | datenritter | uh-uh, strange filesystem-error. ls shows "Inbox" with 2.1GB (wow!), but "vim ." does not list Inbox |
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| 10:22.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | BleSS: checkinstall |
| 10:22.09 | debian_d | chellomere: i specified this : sudo aptitude -t lenny-backports install openoffice.org |
| 10:22.16 | BleSS | Kamping_Kaiser: yes :) thx |
| 10:22.22 | debian_d | chellomere: now downloading |
| 10:22.34 | chellomere | debian_d, that should do it. |
| 10:22.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | BleSS: gl |
| 10:23.41 | debian_d | chellomere: hello,can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 10:23.48 | chellomere | debian_d, why? |
| 10:24.05 | debian_d | chellomere: http://pastebin.com/m1a6ebc11 , mine , to check is it ok? |
| 10:24.38 | chellomere | debian_d, as long as you want to be on lenny, that one's ok. |
| 10:24.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | redundant entries for security |
| 10:25.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | and unless your installing from them, you should disable backports/multimedia. |
| 10:25.29 | debian_d | chellomere: if i upgade to squeeze , do i have to install all packages again ? |
| 10:25.36 | chellomere | debian_d, no. |
| 10:25.56 | chellomere | Kamping_Kaiser, not really, the second security entries have contrib and non-free while the first ones don't. |
| 10:25.59 | debian_d | chellomere: can you tell, how much space required to upgrade to squeeze? |
| 10:26.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | chellomere: ah yeah, i missed that. |
| 10:26.25 | debian_d | chellomere: or how much would aptitude download to upgrade to squeeze? |
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| 10:26.44 | chellomere | debian_d, dunno, and it depends on what packages you have installed. |
| 10:26.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | !testing |
| 10:26.51 | dpkg | from memory, testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 10:27.03 | chellomere | debian_d, if you're short on space you may need to perform the upgrade in steps. |
| 10:27.22 | sash_ | well, got to go now. think it won't be that hard. thanks for your help. |
| 10:27.33 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, its a bumpy ride atm, specially if you have multimedia and backports used |
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| 10:27.49 | debian_d | chellomere: http://pastebin.com/m15518d86 |
| 10:27.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish: *hugs apt-listbugs* |
| 10:27.59 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, ;) |
| 10:28.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 10:28.17 | chellomere | debian_d, you'll be fine. |
| 10:28.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | I did go o_0 when half of gnome got removed a few days ago |
| 10:28.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | *someone hit y not n* |
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| 10:28.57 | chellomere | Kamping_Kaiser, note that multimedia and backports bugs aren't supposed to be reported to the debian bts. |
| 10:29.01 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, well, luckely kde stands still, but i hold my hart when 4.3 goe sin |
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| 10:29.06 | debian_d | chellomere: my downloading speed is slower, will it upgrade more than 300MB? |
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| 10:29.23 | chellomere | debian_d, I have no idea what you have installed and cannot thus answer that question. |
| 10:29.24 | debian_d | chellomere: will it download more than 300MB? |
| 10:29.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | chellomere: yup. This I'm aware of :) |
| 10:29.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish: has 4.3 hit sid yet? |
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| 10:30.00 | chellomere | debian_d, it will download upgrades of all packages you have installed. that could be all from 100-200mb to over a gigabyte. |
| 10:30.09 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, its waiting for testing with 3 basic packages look at bjorn.haxx.se |
| 10:30.19 | debian_d | chellomere: about backports, why does aptitude not get the dependencies of openoffice.org in backport? |
| 10:30.19 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, so not yet in testing |
| 10:30.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish: ok. |
| 10:30.33 | debian_d | chellomere: all depencies |
| 10:30.35 | mbruins | is sid antoher word for testing? |
| 10:30.51 | debian_d | chellomere: it is supposed to get all dependencies on backports, |
| 10:30.58 | chellomere | debian_d, because they aren't there. and openoffice.org depends on packages which aren't part of open office. |
| 10:31.09 | sladi | dutchfish: It works good from experimental. :) |
| 10:31.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | mbruins: no, sid is unstable |
| 10:31.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | !sid |
| 10:31.12 | dpkg | sid is, like, the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
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| 10:31.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | mbruins: ^^ |
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| 10:31.32 | debian_d | chellomere: are you using openoffice.org 3.1? |
| 10:31.44 | mbruins | !testing |
| 10:31.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are ... |
| 10:31.51 | dutchfish | sladi, but i am more a 'tetsing' guy, bitten to much by SID :) |
| 10:31.59 | chellomere | debian_d, at work I am using it, but on work we're running ubuntu and not debian. |
| 10:32.01 | dutchfish | s/testing/testing |
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| 10:32.15 | chellomere | oh |
| 10:32.19 | chellomere | I have 3.1 here too |
| 10:32.26 | mbruins | Kamping_Kaiser: ty |
| 10:32.34 | chellomere | debian_d, I'm on testing |
| 10:32.36 | debian_d | chellomere: you are running ubuntu so why are you here in #debian? |
| 10:32.47 | sladi | dutchfish: :) Has worked so far for me. I only take multimedia and KDE from sid or experimental. K3B alpha crashed though. |
| 10:32.52 | chellomere | debian_d, please read my sentences correctly, please. |
| 10:32.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | mbruins: np |
| 10:33.13 | mbruins | so why would one use sid? perhaps for bugtracking or something like that? |
| 10:33.25 | dutchfish | sladi, i am waiting for kvpnc from sid to enter testing, the rest is cometic to me |
| 10:33.31 | debian_d | chellomer: confusion, are you using debian squeeze right now?? |
| 10:33.34 | chellomere | mbruins, if you're a dd, it's quite natural to be using unstable. |
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| 10:33.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | mbruins: for developers, and carefully :) |
| 10:33.52 | chellomere | debian_d, yes. at my laptop I am using it. |
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| 10:34.23 | mbruins | so ive im not a dd but just another debian enthausiast i could better run testing instead of sid correct? |
| 10:34.26 | debian_d | chellomere: so it's openoffice 3.1 on laptop? isn't it ? |
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| 10:34.33 | debian_d | chellomere: now |
| 10:34.40 | chellomere | debian_d, yes, as squeeze has 3.1 without backports. |
| 10:35.05 | debian_d | chellomere: that's fine , so squeeze is better than lenny |
| 10:35.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | mbruins: stable ideally, but testing if you have the skills to look after yourself. |
| 10:35.12 | chellomere | debian_d, it is not. |
| 10:35.17 | debian_d | chellomere: why? |
| 10:35.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | mbruins: ask the bot about stable and testing |
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| 10:35.26 | dutchfish | mbruins, i run stable as my first choice, on the desktop i follow/debug testing, thats where the normal mortals should reside ;) |
| 10:35.32 | sladi | dutchfish: I didn't want to wait since 4.3 is supposed to be better. |
| 10:35.34 | chellomere | debian_d, define 'better' |
| 10:35.40 | mbruins | Kamping_Kaiser: maybe this is a stupid question but why would on use testing then |
| 10:35.52 | mbruins | dutchfish: ok ;x |
| 10:36.20 | chellomere | debian_d, squeeze is just testing so far, and is thus not as stable as stable. you haven't shown that you're very familiar with debian, and should thus stay on stable. |
| 10:36.34 | debian_d | chellomere: openoffice 3.1 , updated version of openoffice is available, i think pidgin 2.5.8 is also available in squeeze , that better to use |
| 10:36.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | mbruins: why would you run testing rather then stable, or rather then sid? |
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| 10:37.07 | chellomere | debian_d, yes, 2.5.8 is also available. but please also note that newer doesn't always equal better. |
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| 10:37.21 | mbruins | Kamping_Kaiser: why would someone run testing rather than stable? |
| 10:37.35 | dutchfish | only if there is a need to it |
| 10:37.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | mbruins: some people like things to stop working *g* |
| 10:37.43 | chellomere | I would NEVER EVER run testing on a production server |
| 10:37.49 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, haha |
| 10:37.53 | debian_d | chellomere: at least , openoffice 3.1 is better than openoffice 2.1, am i wron? |
| 10:37.56 | dutchfish | chellomere, yup |
| 10:38.09 | nick108 | Does anybody know if there's an official Debian archive with older images like etch netinst? |
| 10:38.26 | nick108 | couldn't find it on debian.org |
| 10:38.28 | debian_d | chellomere: and why is pidgin 2.5.8 not better than 2.5.4? |
| 10:38.30 | chellomere | debian_d, I'm not very familiar with openoffice, but it likely is. lenny has 2.4.3, tho. |
| 10:38.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | !better |
| 10:38.32 | dpkg | well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 10:38.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | ^^ relevant |
| 10:38.42 | chellomere | 2.4.1, I mean |
| 10:38.49 | xylox | testing is of course for testing purposes but also comonly used for desktop users who want more up to date packages |
| 10:39.18 | dutchfish | !tell xylox about archive |
| 10:39.26 | debian_d | chellomere: you are not familiar with openoffice, so which software do you use for this purpose |
| 10:39.29 | debian_d | chellomere: ? |
| 10:39.41 | chellomere | debian_d, when I need a word processor I use abiword. |
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| 10:39.44 | dutchfish | !tell mick108 about archive |
| 10:39.50 | dutchfish | sorry |
| 10:39.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | chellomere: +1 (although iirc the version in stable lacks odf support :( ) |
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| 10:40.10 | chellomere | I do not need something that is excel-ish, other than for creating time reports for work |
| 10:40.24 | debian_d | chellomere: ok, but abiword can't filename.docx file created by msword 2007, cat it ? |
| 10:40.32 | chellomere | debian_d, no, it cannot. |
| 10:40.33 | debian_d | chellomere: can't open |
| 10:40.49 | debian_d | chellomere: it's a problem with abiword |
| 10:41.01 | nick108 | dutchfish: you know about an archive? |
| 10:41.09 | dutchfish | !tell nick108 about archive |
| 10:41.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian_d: no, thats a problem with MS word 2007 |
| 10:41.10 | debian_d | chellomere: probably , openoffice can open file.docx file |
| 10:41.29 | chellomere | it may be, if you need to open such files -- I very rarely need that in my spare time, but at work I do |
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| 10:41.40 | chellomere | debian_d, openoffice 3.1 can do that, earlier versions cannot |
| 10:41.40 | debian_d | Kamping_Kaiser: why is it a problem with msword 2007 please ? |
| 10:41.52 | debian_d | chellomere: that's right |
| 10:41.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian_d: its default format is docx |
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| 10:42.38 | debian_d | Kamping_Kaiser: abiword should support this format |
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| 10:42.46 | eoke | lvh, dutchfish: Turns out the image I pulled down was some how defective, reburning it left me with the same issue it was only when I downloaded it again that it started to work as expected. |
| 10:42.58 | nick108 | dutchfish: sorry, don't understand, is it possible to download an etch netinst image somewhere? |
| 10:43.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian_d: why? |
| 10:43.01 | lvh | eoke: Yay, working hardware! \o/ |
| 10:43.04 | debian_d | Kamping_Kaiser: abiword should be developed to support this format |
| 10:43.05 | chellomere | debian_d, if you want it to, PLEASE HELP THEM IMPLEMENT SUPPORT FOR IT instead of complaining. |
| 10:43.10 | lvh | eoke: Enjoy your Debian installation :-) |
| 10:43.10 | dutchfish | eoke, good job |
| 10:43.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian_d: why? |
| 10:43.29 | eoke | lvh, dutchfish: I'm a happy bunny again many thanks guys. |
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| 10:43.59 | nick108 | dutchfish: all mirrors only seem to have the stable and testing versions |
| 10:44.37 | debian_d | Kamping_Kaiser: why not ? many files are created as docx, that should be openned with abiword, if abiword want to be a complete word processor |
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| 10:45.12 | debian_d | chellomere: how can i help them? |
| 10:45.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian_d: why not? how many reasons would you like? lets start with it being proprietary with incomplete documentation |
| 10:45.29 | dutchfish | nick108, yes, but you can debootstrap oldstable for the time being or look in the archives |
| 10:45.57 | chellomere | debian_d, you write code. |
| 10:46.09 | dutchfish | nick108, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 10:46.15 | debian_d | chellomere: i know C language, |
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| 10:46.27 | debian_d | chellomere: how to help them? |
| 10:46.50 | chellomere | debian_d, http://www.abisource.com/ |
| 10:46.53 | nick108 | thx for the link, dutchfish |
| 10:47.18 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 10:48.30 | dutchfish | nick108, however try to run stable (lenny) where possible |
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| 10:49.39 | nick108 | dutchfish: I do, but I'm having issues with SQL Ledger under Lenny due to a bug in Perl 5.10.0, so I'm setting up a virtual environment to make it work again until the bug is fixed |
| 10:50.01 | dutchfish | nick108, excellent, good luck with bug squashing |
| 10:50.11 | nick108 | thx |
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| 10:52.21 | debian_d | is it possible to install kde 4.2 in lenny ? |
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| 10:53.08 | daemon | hey all im trying to 'apt-get install phpmyadmin' but everytime I do try it, its tellnig me its going to install apache and what not, my system is already fully configured for lighttpd, anything I can do apart from manual install? |
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| 10:53.53 | markrian | debian_d: yes, but not supported or advisable |
| 10:53.54 | debian_d | daemon: install apache,apache2,php5 |
| 10:54.01 | dutchfish | daemon, how phpadmin supposed to work without a http server? |
| 10:54.08 | debian_d | markrian: why? |
| 10:54.22 | markrian | debian_d: http://www.mail-archive.com/pkg-kde-talk@lists.alioth.debian.org/msg00360.html |
| 10:54.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish: daemon says he has lighttd |
| 10:54.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | *pd |
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| 10:54.41 | mbruins | debian_d: issnt lighhttpd a http server aswell? |
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| 10:54.45 | debian_d | markrian: is kde 4.1 advisable? |
| 10:54.49 | daemon | lighttpd is a httpd |
| 10:54.59 | markrian | debian_d: http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 10:55.02 | daemon | I just find it a little more to my taste than apache |
| 10:55.10 | mbruins | sorry thought a daemon and server are/where the same |
| 10:55.14 | shiki- | hi all..I have a small problem with compile. There is no ./configure in the source, and the config stucks at make: *** No rule to make target `build-stamp', needed by `build'. Stop. ... how could I skip this part? or bypass it? (I only need 'make') |
| 10:55.15 | dutchfish | daemon, sorry overlooked that, divert it |
| 10:55.17 | mbruins | s/server/service/ |
| 10:55.25 | daemon | :-) no worry markrian |
| 10:55.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemon: you might need to install php5-cli/php5 so it doesnt try and install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 10:55.36 | debian_d | mbruins: http://kde4.debian.net/ , isn't it kde4.1? |
| 10:55.39 | daemon | Kamping_Kaiser, Gotcha, I think lighttpd automaticaly dragged it in though |
| 10:55.42 | debian_d | mbruins: yes |
| 10:55.50 | debian_d | mbruins: try apach2 |
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| 10:56.02 | mbruins | debian_d: mate i think you have the wrong nick =) |
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| 10:56.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemon: apt-cache show phpmyadmin |grep -e Depends -e Recomends |
| 10:56.16 | daemon | dutchfish, where can I read about 'divert' man apt-get ? |
| 10:56.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | *Recommends |
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| 10:57.06 | daemon | Kamping_Kaiser, http://pastebin.com/m1763e5bf |
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| 10:57.58 | debian_d | markrian: http://kde4.debian.net/ , isn't it kde 4.1? |
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| 10:59.16 | Pericius | i have this pretty long command... can i somehow run it shorthand? |
| 10:59.52 | sintack | Pericius: "alias" command |
| 11:00.05 | markrian | debian_d: yes, because you asked about kde 4.1! |
| 11:00.20 | dutchfish | daemon, i was wrong about that, i misread in the first place, but about diversion: http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kvm.html |
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| 11:00.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemon: sorry, 'net dropped |
| 11:00.36 | dutchfish | daemon, i was wrong about that, i misread in the first place, but about diversion: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/118 |
| 11:00.48 | dutchfish | sorry again |
| 11:00.57 | mbruins | debian_d: The goal of these backports is to allow Lenny users to install and use the official KDE 4.1 modules (and updates of its associated depends if needed), without breaking their systems using packages from the unstable/experimental branch. Unlike with backports.org, packages do not need to reach testing to be backported, so these backports will be available as soon as the unstable packages are ready, working fine and backporters have ti |
| 11:01.04 | mbruins | oops sorry for huge paste |
| 11:01.18 | daemon | Kamping_Kaiser, http://pastebin.com/m1763e5bf no worries ;) |
| 11:01.28 | daemon | thank you dutchfish, no worries - thank you for the link |
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| 11:01.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemon: I'm trying on one of my servers with lighttpd, and i see the same thing |
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| 11:02.10 | eoke | Hi I'm in the process of installing debian lenny amd64 and I've found theres no driver for my NIC (BCM5752 according to lspci). From googling I gather this is supported by the tg3 driver but I'm unsure how to actually make it available to the installer. |
| 11:02.29 | debian_d | mbruins: so kde 4.2 is not available , ? is it ? |
| 11:02.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | installing php5 explictly pulls in apache . these dependancies seem rather screwy |
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| 11:02.51 | mbruins | debian_d: let me check.. though you ment 4.1 tbh |
| 11:03.20 | daemon | Kamping_Kaiser, I run lighttpd on most of my servers unless someone has a specific need for apache, but I *tink* last time I tried this I had to istall php5 and remove all the apache libs afterwards |
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| 11:03.24 | daemon | which is a little odd |
| 11:03.38 | Wyzard | Kamping_Kaiser: The "php" package depends on: libapache2-mod-php5 | libapache2-mod-php5filter | php5-cgi |
| 11:03.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wyzard: yeah, just looking atm |
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| 11:04.07 | Wyzard | Kamping_Kaiser: That means that either the Apache module or the CGI version of PHP satisfies the dependency, but if neither is installed already, it installs the first one listed (the Apache module) by default |
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| 11:04.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes. |
| 11:04.34 | Wyzard | Kamping_Kaiser: If you explicitly tell it to install php5-cgi, it'll install that instead of libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 11:04.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | root@vps:~# apt-get install php5-cgi phpmyadmin |
| 11:05.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats the magic combo |
| 11:05.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemon: ^^ |
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| 11:05.19 | Wyzard | I'd still install the php5 metapackage too |
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| 11:05.29 | Wyzard | but your server will still work fine without it |
| 11:05.32 | daemon | Kamping_Kaiser, Ah thats one for the post-it notes thank you very much :) |
| 11:05.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemon: no worries :) |
| 11:06.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wyzard: Wonder if php5's depends should be re-arranged. |
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| 11:06.40 | Wyzard | Kamping_Kaiser: They could be rearranged to make php5-cgi the default, but most users want the Apache module |
| 11:06.45 | Wyzard | so it's reasonable |
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| 11:07.15 | sintack | eoke: not sure myself... but maybe you can put the driver in a floppy (if you have a floppy drive) or in a usbstick |
| 11:07.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wyzard: my reasoning is that most people are likely to install it with apache, if apache is what they explicity lwant |
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| 11:07.35 | sintack | eoke: and mount that during install |
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| 11:08.00 | daemon | Any of you guys ever stumble across a phpmyadmin for postgresql out of interest?, I see lots of rogue projects with little or broken code but nothing substancial |
| 11:08.11 | daemon | im talking about google of course not the apt-get repositories :) |
| 11:08.16 | Wyzard | daemon: There's a phppgadmin |
| 11:08.55 | daemon | Wyzard, Ill give it a whirl, I just got my self a new debian server i the uk that im going to use as a centralized mysql/postgres box as I found that having vps's all over the place all running their own db's is getting to be a pita |
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| 11:12.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | flippin... 155 bugs for php5 |
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| 11:13.07 | daemon | Kamping_Kaiser, Ouch, its catching up with windows |
| 11:13.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 11:13.20 | FailPowah | hi, everytime i relogin on my server via ssh, i su - anotherUser, and then when i want to screen -r it always says 'Cannot open your terminaö '/dev/pts/2' - please check.' so i go into su - and chmod it 777 but it seems not to stick |
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| 11:16.20 | FailPowah | dutchfish, what i mean with that confizzling text above is that my 2nd user cant open pts/2 each time i relogin over ssh so i have to chmod 777 it to open screen |
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| 11:16.43 | abrotman | c0ky: msg me when you can get your irc client under control |
| 11:16.48 | dutchfish | FailPowah, ah, yes thats by design |
| 11:17.16 | FailPowah | dutchfish, so how can i make so that my 2nd user can open pts/* without me need to chmod it everytime? |
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| 11:17.48 | dutchfish | FailPowah, i would solve it by making a sudoers group |
| 11:17.55 | karme | is there a tool to check wether your own host is contained within different public blacklists? (to detect that your host was owned) |
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| 11:18.51 | dutchfish | FailPowah, so that every user can act as root for the screen command |
| 11:19.03 | dutchfish | FailPowah, at least the ones you trust for that |
| 11:19.27 | fxiny | ajavid: for your pleasure : -!- Irssi: Client: irssi 0.8.14 (20090728 1938) |
| 11:19.53 | fxiny | ajavid: die with this : compiled static and jailed ! |
| 11:19.53 | dutchfish | FailPowah, it depends on wich permissions are needed for your screens |
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| 11:20.08 | fxiny | ajavid: no f* scripts used |
| 11:20.15 | FailPowah | dutchfish, it just outputs cannot open your terminal |
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| 11:21.32 | dutchfish | FailPowah, other users are not supposed to take over screen sessions from other users, at least not by default |
| 11:21.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | submits bug |
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| 11:21.54 | fxiny | btw : perl is a mess , some in /lib some in /usr/share , i've been jumping all over the place to get a gazillions of .pm |
| 11:21.59 | dutchfish | FailPowah, only root can do that |
| 11:22.07 | FailPowah | dutchfish, im sort of dont.. unless using "su" counts as that (as i login as that user, then open screen -r from that user) |
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| 11:25.28 | karme | thinks screen also has builtin access control lists (acl) - see man screen |
| 11:29.17 | dutchfish | karme, yes addacl is another possibility |
| 11:29.42 | dutchfish | karme, but i dont know if thats possible for a non-root user |
| 11:30.06 | eoke | sintack: Managed to compile the driver from source on another debian box and transfer it on usb then insmod and modprobe. Seems to detect the nic card now. |
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| 11:30.40 | dutchfish | FailPowah, you could try addacl otheruser inside that screen |
| 11:30.41 | sintack | eoke: nice! good to hear |
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| 11:33.08 | karme | dutchfish: probably screen must be suid root then |
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| 11:36.14 | karme | dutchfish: yes it is even described in /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian |
| 11:36.14 | dutchfish | karme, no but aclchg usernames +rwx |
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| 11:37.02 | karme | dutchfish: ? |
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| 11:38.49 | karme | dutchfish: i just tried it - i get: Must run suid root for multiuser support. when trying to attach as different user - don't know |
| 11:38.51 | dutchfish | karme, thats is NOT in my README |
| 11:39.00 | karme | dutchfish: i tried on lenny |
| 11:39.14 | karme | dutchfish: README.Debian ? |
| 11:39.18 | dutchfish | karme, yes, that will work, but i am worried about security escalations |
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| 11:40.04 | karme | dutchfish: yes - that is my understanding: debian disabled suid root exactly for that reason => no multiuser support with debian/lenny screen by default |
| 11:40.32 | karme | dutchfish: if you want multiuser support in lenny the README.Debian says that you must suid root and describes how to do it the debian way |
| 11:40.39 | dutchfish | karme, i am on squeeze atm, and the docs dont tell anything about suid |
| 11:40.45 | karme | dutchfish: ok |
| 11:40.53 | dutchfish | karme, so DONT |
| 11:41.03 | karme | dutchfish: i won't |
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| 11:41.18 | jpcooper | hello |
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| 11:41.48 | mbruins | hello jpcooper |
| 11:42.10 | jpcooper | when I am on Debian Lenny and connect my wide screen by VGA to my laptop, the maximum resolution shown for my wide screen is my laptop's which is 1024x768. Could anyone tell me how to make xrandr rescan the screen for its maximum resolution, or is this problem related with X? |
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| 11:42.56 | mbruins | jpcooper: typ xrandr in a terminal and see your options |
| 11:43.16 | mbruins | jpcooper: ive you have choosen one do 'xrandr -s 1200x800' |
| 11:43.26 | mbruins | jpcooper: for instance 1200x800 ofc |
| 11:43.41 | jpcooper | xrandr is showing the maximum resolution for my wide screen to be 1024x768, but it is 1600x1200 |
| 11:44.01 | abrotman | jpcooper: which vddeo card? which driver? |
| 11:44.03 | jpcooper | actually it's something else, but it know that it is larger than 1024 |
| 11:44.08 | jpcooper | intel on board video card |
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| 11:47.27 | mobile | Hey everyone |
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| 11:48.03 | jpcooper | abrotman, it's xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 11:48.32 | mobile | jpcooper: what's up |
| 11:48.55 | jpcooper | problems with my external VGA monitor |
| 11:49.29 | mobile | What's wrong with it? |
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| 11:50.43 | jpcooper | when I connect it while Xorg is running, the maximum resolution of the new monitor is shown to be the maximum resolution on the laptop's screen, which is 1024x768 |
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| 11:50.50 | jpcooper | (by xrandr) |
| 11:51.14 | jpcooper | maybe I need to change something in Xorg's configuration |
| 11:51.35 | dutchfish | jpcooper, answer abrotmans q |
| 11:51.54 | jpcooper | ik deed? |
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| 11:52.12 | mobile | dutchfish: Shut up mate |
| 11:52.26 | jpcooper | if it needs clarification, it's i915 |
| 11:52.32 | nachos | what are my options if i want to use ruby 1.9.1 ? its not in 5.0 |
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| 11:53.28 | jpcooper | nachos, it is possible to use packages from testing as well. Apt's guide writes how to do this |
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| 11:59.15 | jpcooper | does anyone have a suggestion? |
| 11:59.49 | jpcooper | I must add that the screen works fine when it is plugged in before starting the computer |
| 12:00.14 | eoke | I'm installing my first debian desktop (have previously used debian as a cli based server and ubuntu gnome as desktop) should I include non-free software or not? |
| 12:00.49 | prahal_ | jpcooper, your virtual resolution is too low ... |
| 12:00.56 | dutchfish | eoke, for a standard graphical desktop it is not needed, but it depends on your wishes |
| 12:01.00 | prahal_ | are you using gxrandr or xrandr ? |
| 12:01.26 | eoke | Cheers, dutchfish I'll try with out for now then, I presume I can always add it later if need be. |
| 12:01.34 | dutchfish | eoke, sure |
| 12:01.39 | chellomere | can I disable challenge-based response authentication for a specific user with ~/.ssh/config? I added ChallengeResponseAuthentication no but it doesn't seem to have any effect |
| 12:02.03 | eoke | dutchfish: Same question but contrib? |
| 12:02.16 | dutchfish | eoke, the same |
| 12:02.17 | jpcooper | prahal_, I've tried grandr and xrandr. I have turned the laptop's screen off and want all output to go to the external screen. The external screen is currently on 1024x768 |
| 12:02.20 | eoke | Cheers |
| 12:02.45 | martin12345 | I would like to make an image of my 320GB server HDD in case something happens and I need to quickly get the system back up again + image of my firewall(80GB). I have a 500GB HDD for this. "fdisk -l" --> http://pastebin.com/d6ed5f68a What would be the smartest scenario? "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb1 bs=10M"? |
| 12:02.48 | prahal_ | jpcooper, you could give a shot at gnome-display-properties if it is included in the release you are using ... I don't seem to need to set virtual resolution anymore with it (at least for < 1280x1024) |
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| 12:03.50 | jpcooper | pragma_, the maximum resolution is still the same |
| 12:04.15 | prahal_ | jpcooper, also do you have anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (I leave it empty) |
| 12:04.36 | jpcooper | I have nothing there |
| 12:04.55 | jpcooper | it would be nice if it were possible for the current configuration to be output there and then for me to be able to edit it |
| 12:05.27 | prahal_ | yes because there is some heuristic in xorg that check the edid of the screen plugged when X is started to set the virtual screen (maximum resolution) |
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| 12:05.53 | nachos | jpcooper: im having trouble finding the information i need, can you paste a link? |
| 12:06.07 | prahal_ | jpcooper, you don't want that if you are using hotplugged devices .... the config would change at each start and you would have to redo your setting each time |
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| 12:07.22 | jpcooper | nachos, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ I saw it somewhere in there |
| 12:07.40 | jpcooper | prahal_, is there any other way to do it, then? |
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| 12:09.07 | abrotman | did anyone look at his Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 12:09.27 | prahal_ | jpcooper, have you tried gnome-display-properties ? in the meantime I am looking at my old config to find out the partially manual config method |
| 12:09.32 | jpcooper | I see a 1920x1080 at the bottom of it |
| 12:09.43 | jpcooper | prahal_, yes I did and it still shows the max resolution to be 1024x768 |
| 12:10.10 | jpcooper | I need to eat |
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| 12:10.29 | prahal_ | abrotman, why ? edid modes detected are top limited by the default "virtual" (which is itself limited by the max resolution of the edid available when X was started) |
| 12:10.49 | prahal_ | ok see you |
| 12:10.51 | abrotman | why look at his X log ? |
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| 12:11.50 | prahal_ | to look at X log or not to look at X log that is the question ;) |
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| 12:13.42 | prahal_ | or another more interesting question : how to get a mode up of the vesa modes when using intel kms when edid fails ! this one took me quite some time |
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| 12:14.32 | abrotman | yeah .. still like to see the log |
| 12:14.55 | dokma | Hey guys. My numlock is inverted. I can't find any useful info on the bugger... |
| 12:16.15 | prahal_ | oh you meant you wanted the log ... hum sure this would clarify the situation jpcooper : pastebinit if you could when you are back |
| 12:17.07 | dutchfish | is there a viewvc like solution for svn in debian, or any hints how to merge it in svn? |
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| 12:18.00 | abrotman | prahal_: i fail to see how it was confusing ... |
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| 12:19.21 | prahal_ | probably not enough coffee on my side (been up since 6 :P ... I missed your first call and only saw "why look at hos X log?" |
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| 12:19.37 | dutchfish | !coffee prahal_ |
| 12:19.37 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of hippy-blend Tanzanian for prahal_, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 12:20.15 | prahal_ | dutchfish, there is viewvc (and it does svn) |
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| 12:20.55 | dutchfish | prahal_, i can use that one for preserving dates/times from rmeote repo? |
| 12:21.12 | dutchfish | s/rmeote/remote |
| 12:21.28 | dutchfish | http://svn.collab.net/viewvc/svn/ |
| 12:22.28 | dutchfish | prahal_, thanks btw |
| 12:22.31 | adb | apt-cache search viewvc |
| 12:22.31 | prahal_ | hum I don't get it you want to host the viewvc like solution above a checkout ? |
| 12:23.09 | prahal_ | hum this one seems to use svk which is probably the closest solution to svn for a remote non checkout repository |
| 12:23.23 | dutchfish | prahal_, i only need a way to conevrt a big svm repo to git, and keeping the timestamps |
| 12:23.41 | dutchfish | s/svm/svn |
| 12:23.42 | prahal_ | dutchfish, git-svn ? |
| 12:24.12 | prahal_ | I oonly did the opposite (from git to svn then svn<->git updates) |
| 12:24.17 | dutchfish | prahal_, tried thta, but somehow the file dates got reset on initializing .git |
| 12:25.16 | dutchfish | prahal_, ok, i delve into your suggetions, big thanks! |
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| 12:27.01 | prahal_ | hum well I could probably find what s wrong with git-svn in your steps though if you have other tools let s do what s the easiest for you :) |
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| 12:27.41 | chellomere | can I tell ~/.ssh/config to disallow password authentication for incoming connections, but allow it for outgoing ones? |
| 12:27.41 | dutchfish | prahal_, thanks for the offer, but i need ot digest it all a bit, could be my error |
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| 12:28.10 | azeem | chellomere: it is always a server config |
| 12:28.21 | azeem | chellomere: so you cannot configure it for outgoing ones, AFAIK |
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| 12:28.48 | solars | anyone else having trouble with latest encfs on unstable? |
| 12:29.19 | chellomere | azeem, "PasswordAuthentication no" appears to disallow password authentication with other hosts |
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| 12:29.36 | prahal_ | the blogs about git-svn are pretty good but they most of the time resume into cherry-pick and merge ... too slow for my taste (and it looses the details of the history in merge case) ... I prefer the mulitple rebase option (though I don't know if I have seen it on bloggers'post) |
| 12:29.41 | azeem | chellomere: in which file? |
| 12:29.51 | chellomere | azeem, ~/.ssh/config |
| 12:30.00 | azeem | chellomere: ok |
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| 12:30.11 | azeem | chellomere: for incoming connections, you'd have to configure the sshd config |
| 12:30.14 | chellomere | oh wait, it doesn't know, I probably did something wrong |
| 12:30.18 | dutchfish | prahal_, totally agree, i more comfortable with the git |
| 12:30.19 | chellomere | *now |
| 12:31.11 | chellomere | uh, this is inconsistent |
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| 12:34.30 | jpcooper | prahal_, http://pastebin.com/m150ffaa2 |
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| 12:35.53 | dutchfish | prahal_, git-svn works but it looks as if i have used --no-metadata (i am squeeze, amd64) |
| 12:35.58 | Pericius | where's kernel build config located? |
| 12:36.06 | chellomere | azeem, "PasswordAuthentication no" affects outgoing connections yes, but not all. I tried ssh:ing to three hosts, it works anyway in 1 case out of 3 |
| 12:36.25 | azeem | chellomere: sorry, no idea |
| 12:36.26 | chellomere | azeem, what's special in the ssh setup in the case where it works, is that sshd runs on a non-standard port |
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| 12:38.23 | chellomere | ... but that wasn't it, I tried changing the setup on one of the other 2 hosts, and it didn't work |
| 12:38.34 | dutchfish | prahal_, found it ie --localtime, because i am in a different timezone, i prolly run into a bug |
| 12:38.50 | dutchfish | prahal_, but using --localtime does fix it for now |
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| 12:39.08 | chellomere | ah |
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| 12:39.14 | prahal_ | hum this one I did not know about , mental note taken |
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| 12:39.44 | dutchfish | prahal_, gone disect that one |
| 12:39.48 | chellomere | the host that is different offers publickey.keyboard-interactive instead of publickey,password |
| 12:40.51 | tom | i am trying to install nagios-mysql and during apt-get install nagios-mysql it keeps saying that "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' " even though i entered the correct mysql root password in the dialog that pops up. what should i do now? |
| 12:40.52 | chellomere | and hrmph, there's a separate setting for that, KbdInteractiveAuthentication |
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| 12:41.50 | dutchfish | prahal_, foudn it already, a stupid bug the 00:00 hour rollover ...lol |
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| 12:42.33 | dutchfish | prahal_, it per defaults falls back to curent time for the timestamps |
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| 12:42.50 | prahal_ | jpcooper, there are interesting bits (the fact that this is a pre 1.5 xorg ) bit the EDID block is missing as well as the confirmation of the modes used) |
| 12:42.54 | dutchfish | prahal_, if no --locatime is offered as an option |
| 12:43.35 | jpcooper | prahal_, do you have an suggestions? |
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| 12:46.10 | Pericius | how to get uvesafb module load at boot? |
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| 12:46.25 | prahal_ | jpcooper, http://pastebin.com/d3e12d825 as basis |
| 12:46.51 | Walex | Pericius: '/etc/modprobe*' |
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| 12:47.00 | jpcooper | thanks |
| 12:47.04 | prahal_ | jpcooper, replace the modes in the screen section with what you want as max |
| 12:47.23 | prahal_ | the important bit is the "Virtual" |
| 12:47.48 | prahal_ | the remaining part are just the default config until we reach the point where we can set Virtual |
| 12:48.41 | prahal_ | I have not tested this one (back when I was in xorg pre 1.5 I was settting Virtual in the LVDS section not the VGA one though it should not matter |
| 12:49.21 | jpcooper | do you know how to make Xorg output its config? |
| 12:51.12 | nkuttler | jpcooper: X -configure should do that |
| 12:51.17 | jpcooper | right |
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| 12:55.44 | prahal_ | Pericius, you have the infamous error 22 ? |
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| 12:59.12 | prahal_ | do you know the steps (the order especially) in which a toolchain (binutils, libc6, gcc) needs to be built (I reminded that gcc had to be build with the same libc it was supposed to work with afterwards but it seems weird and I get updates of libc6 without updates of gcc synchronized and did not had an issue |
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| 12:59.59 | Pericius | prahal_: dunno... it just doesn't work :) |
| 12:59.59 | Pericius | prahal_: actually, yes :D |
| 13:00.00 | Pericius | prahal_: i mean, yes, there's error 22 when i try to load it |
| 13:00.02 | Pericius | any solution? |
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| 13:00.24 | prahal_ | vim /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf |
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| 13:01.06 | prahal_ | write "options uvesafb mode_option=1024x600-32 mtrr=3 scroll=ywrap" (replace mode_option resolution by the one you want |
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| 13:02.22 | azeem | prahal_: are you talking about a bootstrap from scratch, or about general rebuilds of Debian source packages? |
| 13:02.44 | prahal_ | I think you should update your initramfs , though it would not hurt to update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 13:02.46 | azeem | prahal_: for the latter, I don't think any order has to be applied, modulo versioned requirements, of course |
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| 13:04.25 | gum2tux | wondering is it OK to add different brand of harddisk (with same capacity as existing HDD) into the hardware-based RAID & the RAID continue running well. |
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| 13:07.14 | ewet | hi, every once in a while when I switch to my fullscreen xephyr window I cannot change back because it has catched my keyboard. for example Alt-Tab now works only on the nested window. Xorg log telln me nothing. |
| 13:07.55 | ewet | when I change to tty1 xorg either crashed or behaves normal again. again xorg log won't tell me. sysrq will wreak havok! |
| 13:08.16 | Walex | gum2tux: actually using disks of different brands is very good idea, if you care about less correlated failures. |
| 13:08.23 | ewet | so what to make of that? |
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| 13:10.56 | gum2tux | Walex, if currently running single harddisk, and decide to add second harddisk and to setup hardware-based mirror RAID, do I need to reinstall OS ? |
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| 13:13.33 | Pericius | prahal_: didn' knew it was that much trouble |
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| 13:15.26 | prahal_ | Pericius, hey ! |
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| 13:15.59 | Pericius | (sorry, been to lunch) |
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| 13:19.15 | prahal_ | oh sorry I meant ( eh ... life is hard :) |
| 13:19.39 | ewet | kern.log is very laconic about it: SysRq : Keyboard mode set to system default |
| 13:19.50 | hanibana | hi all |
| 13:19.57 | prahal_ | azeem, thanks I stop spending time on thhe toolchain build and now check the .Tpo |
| 13:20.16 | hanibana | I have much of firefox tabs open. and a sound clip is playing... how can I know that it's of which website? |
| 13:20.16 | azeem | prahal_: what's the problem? |
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| 13:20.30 | hanibana | I want to stop it. |
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| 13:20.52 | prahal_ | if cross compiling having "/usr/include/netinet/in.h" is wrong isn't it ? it should be /usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/netinet/in.h , no ? |
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| 13:23.40 | prahal_ | azeem, camel-file-utils.c:141: error: invalid 'asm': invalid operand for code 'w' , l.141 : *dest = ntohl (save); (ntohl behing part of the toolchain I blamed the toolchain build ... though now I am switching to the application to see what s wrong and I found those libc6 include (/usr/include/netinet/in.h which use the main system includes instead of the cross compiled toolchain ones |
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| 13:24.09 | azeem | prahal_: how is /usr/include/netinet/in.h dragged in? |
| 13:24.14 | prahal_ | could be a libtool/ltmain.sh issue (or a badly installed though correctly build toolchain |
| 13:25.14 | prahal_ | oops libtool is called with -I/usr/include |
| 13:26.22 | dv_ | how can I change the default gcc version on my machine? |
| 13:26.27 | dv_ | its 4.3, and I want 4.4 as default |
| 13:26.31 | dv_ | err g++ I mean |
| 13:26.42 | dv_ | manually change the symlink? or is there a cleaner method? |
| 13:26.55 | dutchfish | dv_, you could chnage symlink which gcc |
| 13:27.16 | prahal_ | dv_, update-alternatives --config gcc (same for g++ and cpp) |
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| 13:27.50 | dv_ | update-alternatives does not work with gcc |
| 13:27.57 | prahal_ | with sid kde you have kalternatives that provides a gui too |
| 13:28.06 | zophy-64bit | is there a 64 bit firefox 3.5 ? |
| 13:28.07 | dv_ | which is strange IMO |
| 13:28.11 | dv_ | but always has been like this |
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| 13:28.45 | prahal_ | damn I am spoiled by the cross compiler alternatives ... you are right |
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| 13:29.07 | dv_ | I wonder, maybe changing the symlink breaks other things I'm not aware of? |
| 13:29.17 | zophy-64bit | you can define the compiler in your makefile |
| 13:30.36 | dutchfish | zophy-64bit, that might spit on you when dep packages are build along |
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| 13:31.40 | zophy-64bit | well... if you decide to wal;k on the edge.. |
| 13:32.02 | dutchfish | i still prefer altering the symlik for that course |
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| 13:32.10 | dutchfish | s/symlik/symlink |
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| 13:32.39 | zophy-64bit | for use with system builds of course |
| 13:32.50 | prahal_ | dv_, or there are CXX and CC variable |
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| 13:35.32 | eptalon | heyas |
| 13:35.51 | eptalon | whats the best way to make an iso image of a dvd? - dd? |
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| 13:36.27 | dutchfish | eptalon, or geisoimage |
| 13:36.40 | dutchfish | genisoimage* |
| 13:36.47 | dutchfish | depends |
| 13:37.27 | eptalon | dutchfish: I do have a complete (2.3G) dvd, and I want to create an iso image to store as a backup. |
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| 13:37.45 | dutchfish | eptalon, normally a dd will do fine |
| 13:38.35 | eptalon | dutchfish: in this case, the dd only grabs 58M of the 2.3G? |
| 13:38.55 | dutchfish | eptalon, ands not copyright protected? |
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| 13:40.00 | eptalon | dutchfish: Its some 'recovery cd' of another comp. |
| 13:40.19 | eptalon | dutchfish: I wrote the dvd with that other comp. |
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| 13:41.43 | dutchfish | eptalon, either there are protection mechanisms in place or the dvd is broken |
| 13:41.58 | dutchfish | eptalon, can thelp you with that |
| 13:42.12 | eptalon | dutchfish: I can retry with genisoimage |
| 13:42.46 | dutchfish | eptalon, that wont work, its for generating an ISO to burn later fro a file system |
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| 13:43.04 | dutchfish | eptalon, mostly with boot options |
| 13:43.12 | eptalon | dutchfish: the cd mounts just fine. |
| 13:43.24 | eptalon | dutchfish: its the second disk of the set. |
| 13:43.36 | dutchfish | eptalon, then cp it over to a dir and use genisoimage |
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| 13:43.54 | dutchfish | eptalon, but it wont be a bit-for-bit copy anymore |
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| 13:44.19 | dutchfish | eptalon, it could burken |
| 13:44.38 | dutchfish | eptalon, seen that myself osmetimes with device driver disks |
| 13:44.50 | eptalon | dutchfish: does dd have trouble with UDF file system? |
| 13:44.55 | dutchfish | eptalon, just try it |
| 13:45.09 | dutchfish | eptalon, nope |
| 13:45.22 | dutchfish | eptalon, unless its automounted |
| 13:45.44 | dutchfish | eptalon, check that it isnt |
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| 13:46.54 | dutchfish | eptalon, and check that it spotless clean ;) |
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| 13:47.31 | eptalon | ok. |
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| 13:48.40 | eptalon | dutchfish: seems to have been the mounting. |
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| 13:48.51 | dutchfish | eptalon, ah good to hear |
| 13:48.58 | eptalon | thanks. |
| 13:49.01 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 13:49.21 | hershel | Hi, easy question here: Where to I pud "modprobe zaptel" so it runs when the machine boots? I don't have a /etc/modprobe.conf file on thsi brand new stable machine |
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| 13:49.42 | dutchfish | /etc/modules ? |
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| 13:51.10 | dutchfish | ie man /etc/modules |
| 13:51.18 | adb | try /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf |
| 13:51.21 | hershel | i put zaptel in there and it didn't work. |
| 13:51.31 | hershel | in /etc/modules. should i put modprobe zaptel ? |
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| 13:51.42 | dutchfish | no just the module name |
| 13:52.06 | dutchfish | but adb solution is maybe netter |
| 13:52.12 | hershel | adb i don't have that file. |
| 13:52.17 | hershel | should i just make it ? |
| 13:52.24 | adb | yes |
| 13:53.14 | prahal_ | the /etc/modprobe.conf.d/ files are for setting of the modules . /etc/modules is to tell the system to forcibly load one at boot |
| 13:53.19 | hershel | adb i just put one word zaptel in that file. right? i will reboot it now |
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| 13:53.35 | dutchfish | prahal_, thank you |
| 13:53.41 | sylar | one of my printers stopped working |
| 13:53.47 | hershel | well forcibly load is what I want. :) but zaptel in /etc/modules didn't work :( |
| 13:53.49 | sylar | just from debian cups |
| 13:53.58 | sylar | I don't know how to debug it |
| 13:54.05 | prahal_ | hershel, have you check dmesg for an error loading the module ? |
| 13:54.11 | sylar | it pass through a firewall |
| 13:54.21 | prahal_ | what happens if you load it by hand (modprobe zaptel) |
| 13:54.30 | hershel | prahal_ from CLI it works fine. |
| 13:54.41 | sylar | but nothing has changed except for a software upgrade of the printer |
| 13:54.44 | hershel | no message no error AND IT WORKS. :) |
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| 13:55.19 | prahal_ | hershel, and you just put the "zaptel" on an empty line in /etc/modules ? |
| 13:55.50 | hershel | prahal_ yes and then rebooted |
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| 13:56.00 | prahal_ | because it is what it does at boot . read each lines of this file and call modprobe <content of the line> |
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| 13:56.35 | hershel | prahal_ i just did it again at CLI and it syas : ignoring bad line start with 'zapte' of file /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf |
| 13:56.44 | prahal_ | ah weird ... could pastebin /etc/modules ? maybe there is a line with some data that the loader script does not like |
| 13:56.48 | hershel | so i don't think it goes there. :) |
| 13:57.06 | hershel | pastebin? here it is, it's almost empty: |
| 13:57.06 | hershel | http://74.52.116.226/cpanel |
| 13:57.08 | prahal_ | hershel, /etc/modules not /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf |
| 13:57.17 | hershel | wrong paste. :( |
| 13:57.39 | adb | hershel: 'zapte' ? not zapteL |
| 13:57.42 | hershel | anyway my /etc/modules has 5 lines with # and then two lines: loop zaptel dats it |
| 13:57.54 | sylar | anyone knows to speak to printers with netcat? |
| 13:57.57 | prahal_ | hershel, it asks me for a password |
| 13:57.59 | hershel | no zaptel. i KNOW it's zaptel :) it's part of asterisk |
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| 13:58.31 | jmd | What package(s) should I install to get sound to work? |
| 13:58.49 | DeSian | jmd, mixer |
| 13:58.54 | prahal_ | jmd, alsamixer probably |
| 13:59.07 | hershel | prahal_ from CLI I am superuser. anyway it's zaptel: http://www.mail-archive.com/asterisk-users@lists.digium.com/msg57803.html |
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| 13:59.54 | jmd | prahal_, There doesn't appear to be such a package. |
| 14:00.19 | prahal_ | hershel, "/etc/init.d/module-init-tools start" as root |
| 14:00.23 | adb | alsamixergui |
| 14:00.23 | prahal_ | do you have an error ? |
| 14:00.51 | prahal_ | jmd, alsa-utils contains it |
| 14:01.26 | hershel | prahal_ Loading kernel modules... done. |
| 14:01.58 | jmd | alsa-utils is already the newest version. |
| 14:02.17 | jmd | (but there's no sound coming from my computer). |
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| 14:02.47 | adb | jmd: run alsaconf, as root |
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| 14:04.06 | jmd | adb, Thanks. doing that now. |
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| 14:05.40 | jmd | Isn't there a simple test utility to check sound ? |
| 14:06.23 | dvs | speaker-test |
| 14:06.38 | liable | !soundcheck |
| 14:06.38 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
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| 14:07.37 | Texou | hi |
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| 14:08.29 | jmd | catting to /dev/dsp gives me (a very low volume sound). speaker-test gives no sound at all. |
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| 14:08.53 | Texou | has someone tried evOlution-rss? I use lenny, I configured it, it doesn't retrieve anything. an idea? |
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| 14:11.47 | net_ | not lood lenny |
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| 14:16.42 | _Lirezh | Anyone an idea what can cause bind9 to take up 800MB of memory ? |
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| 14:17.21 | JPT | wow... 800MB? |
| 14:17.35 | JPT | what is bind9 supposed to do in general? |
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| 14:17.48 | _Lirezh | nameserver |
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| 14:18.47 | JPT | hm.. |
| 14:19.03 | JPT | okay...no reason for bind to eat all your memory |
| 14:19.05 | jmd | _Lirezh, Lots of cached entries? |
| 14:19.15 | JPT | check dmesg for breaking news |
| 14:19.24 | _Lirezh | I just limited max-cache-size to 1MB, does not change anything |
| 14:19.28 | _Lirezh | dmesg reports nothing |
| 14:19.36 | _Lirezh | tcpdump shows about one query per second |
| 14:20.05 | JPT | hmm... how fast is the memory usage increasing after restarting bind9? |
| 14:20.34 | _Lirezh | it's immediately at 440MB |
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| 14:20.56 | JPT | hm. |
| 14:20.57 | _Lirezh | bind 26161 0.3 42.6 488428 441380 ? Ssl 08:16 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind |
| 14:21.02 | _Lirezh | I have never seen that before .. |
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| 14:21.35 | JPT | i don't know if bind is using it, but is /etc/hosts okay? |
| 14:21.40 | jmd | Mine is taking 157MB |
| 14:21.49 | _Lirezh | yea, it's ok |
| 14:22.06 | _Lirezh | 157 is already huge |
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| 14:22.16 | _Lirezh | I'd expect it to be at a few MB |
| 14:22.35 | JPT | did you change something before this occured the first time? |
| 14:22.51 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, is this bind 9.2.1 ? |
| 14:23.03 | iluminator101 | Hi when i try to enable firestarter i get this ethO device not ready Firestarter. Why, eth0 is enabled |
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| 14:23.52 | jmd | _Lirezh, You could try asking on #bind |
| 14:23.57 | _Lirezh | 9.5.1-P2 |
| 14:23.58 | prahal_ | hershel, this is awkward this is the script that is run at boot ... could you modprobe -r zaptel and then run the script andd check the module is loaded by the script ? |
| 14:24.03 | prahal_ | sorry was afk |
| 14:24.08 | _Lirezh | O |
| 14:24.11 | prahal_ | oups too late |
| 14:24.18 | _Lirezh | yea i am asking there, it's a pretty idle chan ;) |
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| 14:25.27 | jmd | Of course, if you're also running a mailserver and doing SPF lookups then there's going to be a lot of dns traffic ... |
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| 14:26.37 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bind9 |
| 14:27.47 | _Lirezh | I just updated it to the P3 |
| 14:27.50 | _Lirezh | doesn't change anything sadly |
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| 14:29.05 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, it isnt configured for split-brain? |
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| 14:30.03 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, that can eat up much extra mem |
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| 14:30.29 | _Lirezh | never dived that deep into bind, I have a minimal config file at the moment |
| 14:30.32 | _Lirezh | how do you check that ? |
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| 14:30.46 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, then it isnt |
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| 14:30.59 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, it not by default |
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| 14:33.19 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, it oculd be related to 2599. [bug] Address rapid memory growth when validation fails. (incoming fixes) http://oldwww.isc.org/sw/bind/view/?release=9.5.1-P3&noframes=1 |
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| 14:33.39 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, (just a wild gues) |
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| 14:37.10 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, on my 1:9.6 WITH split-brain setup it goes roughly up to 270MB thats abou tit |
| 14:37.59 | _Lirezh | it suddenly dropped memory usage when i restarted it once more |
| 14:38.24 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, strange |
| 14:38.50 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, but you upgraded to P3 latest sec fixes, right? |
| 14:39.01 | _Lirezh | theonly awake guy in #bind seems to think that 800MB usage is totally normal ;) |
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| 14:39.15 | _Lirezh | yes I upgraded, but I did a bunch of restarts, no changes |
| 14:39.21 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, if you have 1000+ domains or more maybe |
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| 14:39.49 | _Lirezh | 14 zones |
| 14:40.03 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, that would not be it then |
| 14:40.07 | danilom | hi, therei a way to control the volume? |
| 14:40.13 | danilom | in debian, |
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| 14:40.29 | danilom | console based or gtk? im using xfce |
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| 14:41.16 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, but please monitor that box, its strange |
| 14:41.29 | _Lirezh | yes, it's disturbing |
| 14:42.29 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, too how much mem dropped it when it released the big chunk? |
| 14:42.52 | abrotman | danilom: plenty of ways .. |
| 14:42.57 | prahal_ | danilom, alsamixer (from alsa-utils package) |
| 14:43.07 | danilom | ok, thanks im gonna try |
| 14:43.15 | _Lirezh | 5MB |
| 14:43.25 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, yes, that sound smor elike it |
| 14:43.31 | _Lirezh | yep, that's what I'd expect ;) |
| 14:43.34 | _Lirezh | very strange |
| 14:43.58 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, this could maybe caused by dying hardware (disks) also is there much in swap space? |
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| 14:45.33 | _Lirezh | swap is not in use at the moment |
| 14:45.48 | _Lirezh | the server should be fine, except that thing regarding bind |
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| 14:46.49 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, well, bind can play funny tricks on you when other processes are competing for memmeory and swap kicks in, or its cache gets broken when its starts swapping |
| 14:47.17 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, most of the time a disk that burps |
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| 14:50.49 | _Lirezh | gonna keep an eye on that dutch |
| 14:50.59 | dutchfish | _Lirezh, good good |
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| 14:58.04 | shurmano | hi |
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| 15:00.04 | shurmano | i have a question, can you help me please? i am triying to install debian from netinst iso, but..when i need to use my network card in the installation, it isnt detected by debian, (marvell yukon 88E8040), i need charge his module, any solution? |
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| 15:00.49 | jmd | !ask |
| 15:00.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:01.09 | abrotman | he did ask ? |
| 15:01.19 | abrotman | shurmano: which netinst? |
| 15:01.28 | jmd | "don't ask if you can ask" |
| 15:01.29 | shurmano | debian-testing netinst |
| 15:01.43 | shurmano | sorry jmd |
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| 15:02.15 | shurmano | i think that the correct module is sk98lin..but... |
| 15:02.22 | jpinx-eeepc | why do people dive straight into testing instead of starting with stable?ç |
| 15:02.40 | shurmano | jpinx-eeepc, i tried with stable and not runs.. |
| 15:03.16 | shurmano | and also, i tried with debian lenny cd 1 |
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| 15:03.51 | shurmano | (and using kernel option: acpi_os_name=Linux for my Compaq Mini ) |
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| 15:16.34 | ajavid | hey dudes of the debian place here |
| 15:16.36 | ajavid | sup |
| 15:16.52 | ajavid | http://www.jscreenfix.com/basic.php <- java aplet |
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| 15:17.02 | ajavid | I ran this over night, while I slept, and now, both my 24" monitors have 0 stuck pixels :) |
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| 15:17.31 | _Lirezh | you sound like an advertisement bot aja |
| 15:17.32 | ajavid | now I'm back to normal. The technique is that it turns off/on rapidly allpixels and sub pixels over and over |
| 15:17.41 | bzed | what a bullshit |
| 15:17.46 | bzed | go away ajavid . |
| 15:17.56 | ajavid | why don't you uhm.. polish my nuts. |
| 15:18.06 | JPT | hmm? |
| 15:18.16 | _Lirezh | your nuts need male attention ? Oo |
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| 15:18.18 | ajavid | I said something which migh be of helpful to soemone |
| 15:18.23 | ajavid | dont' be a dick |
| 15:18.27 | dutchfish | s/nuts/pixels |
| 15:18.38 | ajavid | I've been here much much longer than you, and have never 'spammed' so kindly gof uck yourself |
| 15:18.58 | ajavid | if you have stuck pixels, have fun with this, if not, whatever. word. |
| 15:19.01 | _Lirezh | Well I was wrong in that case ;) It just looked like an automated ad |
| 15:19.07 | azeem | WTH are stuck pixels? |
| 15:19.16 | ajavid | azeem, subpixels which won't turn off |
| 15:19.32 | ajavid | azeem, rgb. Sometime syou will see a red or blue or green pixel always on on your lcd |
| 15:19.33 | bzed | ajavid: thats not fixable by running a program... |
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| 15:19.37 | azeem | ajavid: how is this Debian related? |
| 15:20.00 | JPT | bzed: it depends on why the pixel is on... sometimes is can help |
| 15:20.00 | ajavid | fglrx in debian caused it. |
| 15:20.16 | ajavid | radeon didn't. |
| 15:20.21 | ajavid | radeonhd didn't also |
| 15:20.42 | ajavid | when i used fglrx (which I wont' anymore) it totally fucks upmy lcds |
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| 15:21.52 | _Lirezh | Usually a pixel error is a hardware damage |
| 15:21.54 | ajavid | this happened when I was in new york 2 years ago too |
| 15:22.11 | ajavid | I tried fglrx, and voila, my lcd was totally caput, random brightlyon pixels here n there |
| 15:22.18 | _Lirezh | if that could be repaired by switching it randomly the hardware vendors would definitly know that. But they take it back on guarantee and replace it |
| 15:22.20 | ajavid | I dunno how this is debian related, but whatever |
| 15:22.22 | AppDeb | ajavid: thx for ths site, it may come handy some time |
| 15:22.31 | ajavid | AppDeb, you're welcome! that was the goal. |
| 15:22.37 | JPT | _Lirezh: you can always expect some magic... |
| 15:22.39 | ajavid | wasn't tring to be offtpiccy or spammy |
| 15:22.43 | ajavid | you know :) |
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| 15:22.49 | azeem | it's still both |
| 15:22.55 | ajavid | yeh yeh |
| 15:22.57 | ajavid | ok moving on |
| 15:23.03 | azeem | unless somebody asked about a stuck sub-pixel fixing tool |
| 15:23.04 | AppDeb | ajavid: but its a little difficult for fglrx to be responsible |
| 15:23.05 | azeem | anyway. |
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| 15:23.21 | ajavid | AppDeb, just making my observations |
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| 15:23.39 | AppDeb | ajavid: that is an LCD Panel problem most times, software can't do anything |
| 15:23.41 | azeem | ajavid: the point is, I'm not running around here, saying "http://www.gnome.org" |
| 15:23.43 | ajavid | AppDeb, now, fglrx causes no input singla |
| 15:23.48 | azeem | "if you need a desktop environment that works" |
| 15:24.22 | ajavid | AppDeb, no matter what I do, eitehr dvi port, or dsub, fglrx = no input singal anymore, before it at least gave a fucked up lcd |
| 15:24.38 | ajavid | oh and the funny thing is, xrandr reports both dvi ports as diconnected |
| 15:24.42 | ajavid | no modes in KDe config either |
| 15:24.50 | AppDeb | ajavid: and you changed nothing in fglrx? same setup? |
| 15:24.55 | ajavid | but I have the corerct resoultoin and 3d working on readeon open source and 7.4 xorg |
| 15:25.08 | ajavid | I don't use fglrx, I can't, it won't work, plu si like free stuff anyway |
| 15:25.16 | ajavid | look here |
| 15:25.26 | ajavid | DVI-1 disconnected 1680x1050+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm |
| 15:25.30 | ajavid | DVI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
| 15:25.32 | ajavid | does this make sense? |
| 15:25.45 | ajavid | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1680 x 1050, maximum 1680 x 1680 |
| 15:25.51 | ajavid | its supposed to be 1920x1080 |
| 15:26.07 | ajavid | I can't even get my native resolution anymore i think fglrx fucke dup my physical video card |
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| 15:26.10 | ajavid | it must have. |
| 15:26.20 | AppDeb | ajavid: yeah free radeon is a good driver, but doesn't support 3d on new cards, and also it is the worst for laptops |
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| 15:26.32 | ajavid | I have X1900XT |
| 15:26.42 | ajavid | r580 chipset, 7.4 radeon supports it perfectly |
| 15:26.50 | ajavid | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 TCL |
| 15:26.57 | AppDeb | ajavid: you have the fastest card on earth that has support with free video drivers :P |
| 15:27.04 | ajavid | :) |
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| 15:28.15 | AppDeb | ajavid: you dont need to mess with the fglrx stuff, u lucky |
| 15:28.26 | ajavid | not luckky, smart |
| 15:28.30 | ajavid | I researched before I bought |
| 15:28.55 | ajavid | I figured, 1900xt (when I bought it I had to use fglrx for a little while as the drivers open were under development, as ati had JUST opened specs) |
| 15:29.12 | ajavid | would be the best option, badass gaming card, and free drivers coming in a year or two, and I was right |
| 15:29.30 | ajavid | only, I have to run 7.4 xorg on lenny, to get 3d, but next year with squeeze, full on stable system with 3d :) |
| 15:29.35 | ajavid | free 3d |
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| 15:30.20 | AppDeb | ajavid: you are lucky that you don't have a faster card, I also have your card, but it stays on the shelf :P, because I use a faster one with windows |
| 15:30.32 | ajavid | ew eindows |
| 15:30.46 | ajavid | I built this rig for oblivion in oklahoma 4 years ago man |
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| 15:30.53 | ajavid | this card is 4 years old almost |
| 15:31.24 | ajavid | this runs oblivion beautifully with all the mods and addons and full settings. I don't need to upgrade, actually I do now, cuz the card is going bad i think |
| 15:31.30 | AppDeb | yeah, stilla good card though, plays most games |
| 15:31.31 | ajavid | why do you think both dbi ports are reported as off? |
| 15:31.36 | ajavid | or diconnected |
| 15:31.46 | ajavid | when I go into grandr (for example) I see no settings |
| 15:31.51 | nevyn | free 3d drivers seem to have gone the way of the dodo sad really.. it was looking likel we were making progress for a while there. |
| 15:31.54 | ajavid | I go into xfce or kde display settings, i see nothing |
| 15:32.06 | nevyn | there's still intel I guess |
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| 15:32.55 | AppDeb | ajavid: just post some output of xrandr, also have in mind that maybe the edid chip of your monitor may be off. |
| 15:33.06 | ajavid | its not |
| 15:33.15 | ajavid | if i use DSUB, 100% a-ok |
| 15:33.27 | ajavid | fglrx works perfectly, but video quality is not HD anymore |
| 15:33.29 | ajavid | :( |
| 15:33.42 | ajavid | if i use dvi/hdmi, fglrx will destroy my lcds |
| 15:34.09 | ajavid | well, now i can't get video singlan on dvi/fglrx |
| 15:34.13 | AppDeb | ajavid: you switch between radeon and fglrx often? |
| 15:34.22 | ajavid | never |
| 15:34.28 | ajavid | first time after years I try |
| 15:34.45 | AppDeb | ajavid: yean I mean something like today, 5 minutes ago? when |
| 15:34.58 | ajavid | 2 nights ago, when the moon was full |
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| 15:35.52 | ajavid | I asked #radeon developers |
| 15:35.58 | ajavid | they were also quite befuddled |
| 15:36.23 | ajavid | no one knows whats up, just chalk it up to an old card with possibly bad ports going thingy majiggy |
| 15:36.37 | AppDeb | ajavid: when you use fglrx and you want to switch to a free driver, it is unwise to do that with a simple restart. It is better to completely power off your PC for some minutes so that the capacitors are empty. Fglrx does some crazy stuff yeah. |
| 15:36.54 | ajavid | AppDeb, that is silly |
| 15:37.03 | ajavid | AppDeb, I'm not a windows moron, thats... what? |
| 15:37.19 | ajavid | AppDeb, I can't believe you just said that... |
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| 15:37.47 | ajavid | all you need to do is remove radeon module from kernel, black list, restart X, simple as that |
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| 15:37.52 | ajavid | it never fails. |
| 15:38.05 | AppDeb | ajavid: it is not, actually I found that out from the ati devs when I had a similar problem. fglrx and radeon write different stuff on same regions in the card, that are not always flushed |
| 15:38.10 | \amethyst | ajavid: I could see it being reasonable to power off and back on if the card is in some weird state |
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| 15:38.18 | dhodgkin | ajavid: "windows moron" LOL awesome |
| 15:38.46 | ajavid | \amethyst, for example, what kind of state? |
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| 15:38.50 | \amethyst | ajavid: I have had situations where I've had to power off to even get fglrx to work again (shutdown -r did not work) |
| 15:38.58 | AppDeb | ajavid: you can call windows morons, the AMD developers that are writing the drivers you are using now |
| 15:39.00 | ajavid | \amethyst, really? |
| 15:39.03 | \amethyst | ajavid: in my case, the drivers crashed |
| 15:39.09 | ajavid | \amethyst, wow, another good reason for me to not use it |
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| 15:39.37 | ajavid | AppDeb, I didn't call anyone anything... |
| 15:39.42 | enouf | ajavid: *thingamajiggy* :-p |
| 15:39.46 | ajavid | AppDeb, I merely spoke in reference to myself :) |
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| 15:39.56 | ajavid | I, myself, am not a windows moron. |
| 15:40.01 | ajavid | thats all, nothing more, nothing less. |
| 15:40.10 | dhodgkin | Why is it that AMD owns ATI, but AMD boards work best with nVidia, and intel boards work best with ATI? |
| 15:40.14 | \amethyst | ajavid: theoretically the same thing could happen with other drivers, since it shows that the card did not reinitialize properly on reboot, but I've been a bit wary of switching to radeon |
| 15:40.26 | ajavid | \amethyst, that makes very little sense to me |
| 15:40.38 | ajavid | \amethyst, what has a total poweroff have ANYTHING to do with this... |
| 15:40.39 | enouf | ajavid: you're a wintendo weenie, no more, no less - no biggy :-P |
| 15:40.49 | AppDeb | \amethyst: yeah it happens to all devices, it is just that only ATI cards have so much different drivers for the same device |
| 15:41.03 | ajavid | \amethyst, probably because I don't know enough... but it really sounds weird to me |
| 15:41.16 | ajavid | however, two people relating the same thing to me, similar experience |
| 15:41.26 | \amethyst | ajavid: because if the device never loses power it might have stuff left in its on-device memory from the old boot |
| 15:41.29 | ajavid | so I have to believe that, but its still very weird sounding, I need to get this clarified |
| 15:41.35 | AppDeb | ajavid: if you don't know how this works in the hardware level (forget the linux kernel modules) you will never understand |
| 15:41.59 | ajavid | AppDeb, never say never. I worked a bit on reverse engineering this driver when specs were opened |
| 15:42.03 | ajavid | :/ |
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| 15:42.24 | ajavid | I am not a guru c++ dev, but I can make do :) |
| 15:42.36 | fxiny | hmmm |
| 15:42.37 | AppDeb | ajavid: anyway to help you out, choose what drivers you want, install, and poweroff for some minutes |
| 15:42.38 | dhodgkin | the only thing I see that ATI has over nVidia cards is DX11 support, so if you do not run Windows, then *I* feel nVidia is the way to go. They have the best linux drivers. |
| 15:42.52 | \amethyst | ajavid: ideally a card would reinitialize everything on reboot, but even then it's possible for e.g. latchup to happen at the hardware level, and that requires a power cycle to fix |
| 15:43.02 | ajavid | \amethyst, that makes sense |
| 15:43.19 | purplepenguins | nvidia has great linux drivers now |
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| 15:43.41 | purplepenguins | i haven't had a driver-related crash in years |
| 15:43.46 | dhodgkin | purplepenguins: true in the past they lacked in the driver department. |
| 15:44.16 | ajavid | dhodgkin, good morning |
| 15:44.28 | dhodgkin | ajavid: morning |
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| 15:44.49 | enouf | AppDeb: are you referring to RAM keeping memory longer than what's usually thought? Even system RAM SD-RAM/DDR does that |
| 15:44.50 | AppDeb | purplepenguins: yes but the point of linux is to be somewhat more stable and fixable, nvidia drivers offer good performance, and stability same with windows (it is just a copy of their whole windows api inside linux). |
| 15:45.12 | ajavid | up 1 day -- RX bytes:132471224311 (123.3 GiB) TX bytes:3696955204 (3.4 GiB) |
| 15:45.18 | ajavid | damn, my isp sucks too |
| 15:45.23 | \amethyst | I need to get around to switching to the radeon or radeonhd driver... I'm just a little worried because I won't be able to switch back to fglrx if anything goes wrong |
| 15:45.34 | ajavid | \amethyst, you use fglrx? |
| 15:45.36 | ajavid | omg! |
| 15:45.44 | ajavid | do i need to hurt you? |
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| 15:45.53 | purplepenguins | the point of linux is to be an open, stable and semi-complete UNIX-like operating system |
| 15:46.07 | \amethyst | ajavid: I guess I should get around to testing the driver in a chroot |
| 15:46.12 | dhodgkin | agrees with purplepenguins |
| 15:46.13 | ajavid | smacks \amethyst around a bit with the radeon driver |
| 15:46.15 | AppDeb | enouf: I am not sure, but I don't think so. It is mostly for the edid registers, a little memory (not ram) that detects the monitor |
| 15:46.27 | purplepenguins | i wouldn't call windows unstable really |
| 15:46.31 | dhodgkin | helps ajavid |
| 15:46.37 | ajavid | I wouldn't discuss windows in here |
| 15:46.39 | purplepenguins | though being a closed system means that all fixes have to be done upstream |
| 15:46.49 | _Trinity_ | hellow world |
| 15:46.54 | ajavid | hello _Trinity_ |
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| 15:47.18 | \amethyst | ajavid: times like this I really wish Debian had OpenSolaris-style boot environments, where you can just back out of upgrades. But my Debian system doesn't use LVM ATM, so no snapshots |
| 15:47.22 | _Trinity_ | says does anyone now of a tiling pie menu orientated wm? |
| 15:47.26 | \amethyst | ajavid: so a chroot it is |
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| 15:47.37 | ajavid | \amethyst, same here, no lvm or snappys |
| 15:47.38 | purplepenguins | pie menus _Trinity_ ? |
| 15:47.41 | enouf | AppDeb: erm, you know of get-edid|parse-edid ? from read-edid pkg? |
| 15:47.51 | ajavid | tling pie menu? |
| 15:47.52 | _Trinity_ | > pie menus _Trinity_ ?yeah |
| 15:47.52 | _Trinity_ | <en |
| 15:47.55 | ajavid | uhm.. come again? |
| 15:48.02 | purplepenguins | what do you mean by pie menus? |
| 15:48.05 | _Trinity_ | pie menu, dial |
| 15:48.07 | ajavid | round menus? |
| 15:48.09 | ajavid | dial |
| 15:48.13 | _Trinity_ | yes |
| 15:48.14 | ajavid | no I don' tknow of one |
| 15:48.15 | ajavid | !xwinman |
| 15:48.16 | dpkg | somebody said xwinman was probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 15:48.19 | ajavid | look here possibly |
| 15:48.20 | AppDeb | enouf: those are unrelated to the problem we were discussing |
| 15:48.22 | enouf | goes afk - IRL calls |
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| 15:48.32 | _Trinity_ | k |
| 15:48.34 | purplepenguins | xmonad is a tiling window manager, i think it might have a pie menu in the darcs version |
| 15:48.38 | enouf | AppDeb: um, but that's what you referred to |
| 15:48.48 | purplepenguins | i saw something like what you described |
| 15:49.02 | purplepenguins | not really a pie menu, but it was a dial menu |
| 15:49.02 | _Trinity_ | will check xmonad out |
| 15:49.11 | purplepenguins | it's not in the standard though |
| 15:49.19 | AppDeb | enouf: no I refer to the hardware chip in the graphics card. Nothing software. It bugs out and no software can read edid etc |
| 15:49.37 | enouf | EDID registers are read using that util - if there's some funk stored there,that util willshowit |
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| 15:49.45 | purplepenguins | _Trinity_: http://haskell.org/sitewiki/images/0/0b/Adamvo-gridselect.png |
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| 15:49.58 | enouf | AppDeb: oh well - i gotta go |
| 15:50.12 | AppDeb | enouf: xrandr also read edid, so there was the problem probably, cu |
| 15:50.18 | _Trinity_ | yoh, that's definantely not standard |
| 15:50.43 | dhodgkin | ajavid: hop over to #debian-chat for a sec |
| 15:50.58 | purplepenguins | but other than that, xmonad is a competent window manager written in Haskell |
| 15:50.59 | \amethyst | ajavid: setting up a chroot in which to test the radeon drivers, thanks |
| 15:51.17 | purplepenguins | if Haskell is a dealbreaker for you, I hear that awesome is pretty similar |
| 15:51.20 | azm | oh, thereiz sum programing behind all these interwebs? |
| 15:51.22 | \amethyst | ajavid: thanks for reminding and threatening me about it, I main |
| 15:51.27 | \amethyst | ajavid: s/main/mean/ |
| 15:52.32 | _Trinity_ | hey here's a pic of piewm in action |
| 15:52.32 | _Trinity_ | http://www.crynwr.com/piewm/piewm-shadow-menus.gif |
| 15:52.52 | _Trinity_ | and http://www.crynwr.com/piewm/piewm-shaped-menus.gif |
| 15:53.18 | dhodgkin | OT but can someone msg me so I can see if this script I wrote works? it should notify me via KNotify of the priv msg if it does. |
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| 15:55.48 | dhodgkin | oh yeah ask for help and everyone goes silent thanks guys!!! |
| 15:55.53 | dhodgkin | runs away |
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| 16:05.19 | sash_ | hello. i use setxkbmap to change my keyboadlayout to german in X11. but startx & setxkbmap -layout de says, it cannot open "default display". setxkbmap knows the option -display, but i dont know how to use it. 0, 1, 7, tty7 do not work. any ideas? |
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| 16:06.06 | AppDeb | sash_: startx works by itself? |
| 16:06.59 | sash_ | AppDeb: yep. but i want to combine both commands to use it in a script, because i dont want to setxkbmap every x-start |
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| 16:07.22 | AppDeb | sash_: try && |
| 16:07.50 | sash_ | AppDeb: no chance. that would mean, it would wait until x is stopped |
| 16:08.18 | AppDeb | sash_: try adding it in the .xinitrc? |
| 16:08.43 | sash_ | i also tried startx & sleep 10 && setxkbmap -layout de. AppDeb: will try this. |
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| 16:16.00 | inSanity_ | hi ppl |
| 16:16.05 | inSanity_ | any ion3 users here? |
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| 16:20.27 | sash_ | AppDeb: works. thank you. |
| 16:22.34 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:24.34 | Flecki | hallo mal wieder ein neuer mit debian :-) oder besser gesagt ein windows umsteiger |
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| 16:25.00 | azeem | !de |
| 16:25.00 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:25.20 | Flecki | ok |
| 16:26.04 | jmd | Woher kommt hessichesprachige Hilfe? |
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| 16:29.47 | cahoot | !de |
| 16:29.47 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 16:39.49 | rahsputin | Hi.I am installing Debian using Business Card net install, and cannot find a methode to install using WPA enc. for WirelessLAN |
| 16:40.42 | rahsputin | does that mean i cannot install with the WPA enc. on? |
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| 16:42.52 | willmore | Hello, all, I have an apt-get question. I'm using lenny (almost current) and I have a squid/intelligentmirror cache on one of my servers. There is a proxy declaration in the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d directory and apt-* seem to use it. |
| 16:43.40 | willmore | The problem seems to come in when the squid/intelligentmirror cache return a 303 (redirect) for fetched packages. apt-get seems to see that as an error and die. wget (and other programs) properly follow the new link and fetch the file. |
| 16:44.04 | willmore | Is there some config option for apt-get which I'm missing which will instruct it to follow redirects? |
| 16:44.58 | willmore | FWIW, google on "303 apt-get follow redirect" is too broad and returns no love. |
| 16:46.00 | willmore | I know I must be missing something obvious. |
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| 16:47.27 | jpinx-eeepc | willmore: try aptitude ? |
| 16:47.37 | jpinx-eeepc | !why aptitude |
| 16:47.38 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 16:47.45 | willmore | jpinx-eeepc, it uses the same backend and fails in the same way. |
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| 16:50.42 | willmore | Hmm, looks like this is a known issue and there is a patch in the testing release. Hmm, now I need to convince stable to accept a package from testing. :) |
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| 16:53.31 | enmerkar_ | willmore: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 16:53.54 | willmore | enmerkar_, thanks |
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| 16:55.17 | sash_ | k, one last question for today. when i hold a key, it is just used one time. bad for cursors or backspace. i use setxkbmap -layout de -variant nodeadkeys in .xinitrc and do not use [g,k,x]dm. any ideas |
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| 16:55.49 | willmore | enmerkar_, seems apt isn't in their list. Darn. |
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| 16:56.13 | enmerkar_ | willmore: /msg dpkg simple sid backport, do the same for testing |
| 16:56.13 | Dyllan | Is there a way to install pre-deps from a .deb i have created? I specify the pre.dep in the control file, but gdebi just fails to install and complains that the pre-dep is needed which makes perfect sense, but i would like for it to be installed automatically if possible? |
| 16:56.38 | meua | hi! where can i find the timeline of official support for Debian distros please ? i ve looked around on the web site but didn't found... |
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| 16:57.05 | meua | i mean: Debian 5.0 will have security fixes until when ? |
| 16:57.50 | TempNick | hmm, does anyone got a repo with the ffmpeg unstripped packages ? |
| 16:57.50 | enmerkar_ | meua: usually, one year after the next version has been released |
| 16:58.08 | enmerkar_ | meua: until then |
| 16:58.33 | meua | enmerkar: thx for ur awnser. but how many years between two version ? |
| 16:58.46 | enmerkar_ | meua: there's no answer to that question |
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| 16:58.51 | willmore | enmerkar_, that may be a much larget hammer than I'm willing to use at this point. Thank you for pointing it our, though. I may try it on my larger debain box, but this little thin-client (300MHz i586) isn't gonna try it. :) |
| 16:59.05 | enmerkar_ | willmore: aaah |
| 16:59.20 | meua | enmerkar_ : ok. thx anyway |
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| 16:59.43 | adb | meua: next release is scheduled for next year |
| 16:59.45 | wildc4rd_ | evening all |
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| 17:00.24 | meua | ok, so 5.0 is ok until 2011 ? |
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| 17:00.35 | meua | more or less... |
| 17:00.42 | enmerkar_ | meua: yeah, it most likely won't be released _before_ that |
| 17:00.58 | meua | ok |
| 17:00.59 | enmerkar_ | should be |
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| 17:03.30 | debian_d | what's the best python editor? |
| 17:04.37 | purplepenguins | very subjective |
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| 17:05.21 | purplepenguins | there are ide's like eclipse and idle, and regular text editors like gedit, vim, emacs |
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| 17:08.19 | sash_ | i think, i remember, idle is not able to auto-indent |
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| 17:08.31 | sash_ | but vim and gedit are. |
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| 17:08.46 | purplepenguins | most of my mates use vim for their python coding |
| 17:08.47 | dbbolton | does this imply a dying hard drive: http://dbbolton.pastebin.com/m12dbc335 |
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| 17:08.49 | purplepenguins | i use emacs |
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| 17:13.10 | pipeline | eclipse is not well-suited to python; unless you have an existing investment in eclipse skills, not really worth it |
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| 17:13.39 | pipeline | komodo-edit is an open source version of the editor from the proprietary komodo IDE. If you just want to get auto-indent and syntax highlighting in the friendliest available package, that's probably not a bad choice. |
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| 17:15.10 | AppDeb | vim |
| 17:15.17 | AppDeb | :P |
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| 17:16.10 | markybob | i prefer gedit |
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| 17:16.18 | markybob | i've done a lot of python in that :) |
| 17:16.39 | debian_d | purplepenguins: what's the version of emacs? |
| 17:16.57 | purplepenguins | i'm using 23, provided from a 3rd party repo |
| 17:17.15 | debian_d | debian_d: does emacs support auto code completion option? |
| 17:17.26 | purplepenguins | possibly |
| 17:17.31 | purplepenguins | i've never done that |
| 17:17.38 | purplepenguins | but i'm not a bigtime python coder |
| 17:17.53 | purplepenguins | it surely could be added, and there probably is an addon for it |
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| 17:18.11 | debian_d | purplepenguins: what language do you use most of the time? |
| 17:18.28 | purplepenguins | lately, haskell |
| 17:19.01 | debian_d | purplepenguins: huskell!! |
| 17:19.05 | markybob | gedit has autocomplete for python :p |
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| 17:20.43 | debian_d | markybob: are you sure? |
| 17:21.03 | debian_d | markybob: how to get autocompletion option in gedit ? |
| 17:21.04 | markybob | debian_d, has plugins for just about everything you can think of. http://github.com/fenrrir/geditpycompletion/tree/master |
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| 17:21.56 | Pericius | how to search for specific text within specific folder and its subfolders |
| 17:22.13 | enmerkar_ | Pericius: grep |
| 17:22.14 | chellomere | grep |
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| 17:22.22 | debian_d | markybob: is there any plugin for c/c++ autocode completion ? if there is that will be fine for me |
| 17:22.30 | \amethyst | Pericius: grep -rF text directory |
| 17:22.43 | Pericius | thanks |
| 17:22.49 | \amethyst | Pericius: if you want to look for a regular expression instead of plain text, leave off the F |
| 17:23.11 | Jabka | when building package that was downloaded by apt-get source the only thing i should do is dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot right ? i can't build libgnokii4 (from testing) |
| 17:23.20 | markybob | debian_d, dont know. i dont do c++/c |
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| 17:23.38 | debian_d | markybob: how to install that python plugin? |
| 17:23.50 | debian_d | markybob: what language do you use most? |
| 17:24.05 | Pericius | \amethyst: and if i wanted to display only the names of the files as output of grep? |
| 17:24.06 | Jabka | *debain_d , what ide ? |
| 17:24.17 | markybob | debian_d, "The installation of plugin is relatively easy: the user must unpack the archive into the directory gnome2/gedit/plugins of its home, restart gedit and activate plugin in edit â > preferences â > plugins" |
| 17:24.31 | markybob | debian_d, python and php |
| 17:25.01 | Pericius | \amethyst: man'd it already, thanks |
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| 17:25.36 | debian_d | markybob: where is that archive? nothing here http://github.com/fenrrir/geditpycompletion/tree/master , but a folder |
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| 17:28.09 | markybob | debian_d, that's it. you download those files and place it in the plugin dir |
| 17:28.10 | madhat | what is the difference between getting debian on a cd and on a dvd? |
| 17:28.37 | Jabka | madhat , the amount of data you get |
| 17:28.54 | Jabka | madhat , one dvd ~= 6 cds |
| 17:29.00 | madhat | Jabka: if i were to install debian to a partition on my hard drive, what would be best for me to get? |
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| 17:30.08 | Jabka | madhat , when i download only netinstall and install the rest from network . the question do you have a web accses without dialup / pptp ? |
| 17:30.09 | debian_d | markybob: where is gnome2 directory? |
| 17:30.31 | madhat | Jabka: i am on a wireless connection? |
| 17:30.39 | markybob | debian_d, ~/ |
| 17:30.58 | debian_d | markybob: where is gedit2. got .gnome2 |
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| 17:31.27 | Jabka | madhat , did you need some extra firmware or settings to work with card ? |
| 17:31.50 | madhat | Jabka: i don't know, i currently use osx10.6 (i'm using an imac) |
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| 17:32.03 | Jabka | madhat ,Oo what card is it ? |
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| 17:32.25 | Jabka | madhat , does it have an ethernet ? |
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| 17:32.51 | madhat | Jabka: it has ethernet, but i don't have a cable long enough to reach my desk from the router |
| 17:33.02 | madhat | Jabka: Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.10.91.19) |
| 17:33.54 | Jabka | madhat , since i don't what exact card you have (bcm4313 / 16 / 18 etc .. ) i can't say if it will work out of the box |
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| 17:34.32 | madhat | Jabka: if i were to get a iso of the cd or dvd would it work? |
| 17:34.36 | Jabka | madhat , there are a few that for using them you have to download firmware (bcm43xx-fwcutter) but you can't do it on installl |
| 17:34.53 | Jabka | if you got the dvd that hold that file yes |
| 17:35.13 | madhat | which of the dvd isos should i get? |
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| 17:35.43 | Jabka | I hope the first will be have it but i really don't know |
| 17:36.09 | madhat | Jabka: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2a/i386/iso-dvd/, there are 5 different ones |
| 17:36.12 | Jabka | madhat , and i hope your card is supported |
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| 17:37.02 | Jabka | madhat , from 1 to 5 :D btw is there a reason that you wish to use stable ? |
| 17:37.16 | debian_d | purplepenguins: creating directory in .gnome2/gedit2/plugins, now from preference can't get any option to add |
| 17:37.24 | madhat | Jabka: i don't know, that was the link i saw |
| 17:38.26 | madhat | Jabka: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/, do i just get dvd 1? |
| 17:38.51 | debian_d | what's the kernel version in squeeze? |
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| 17:39.07 | Jabka | madhat , for non production i prefer the testing |
| 17:39.18 | Jabka | madhat yep |
| 17:39.21 | purplepenguins | debian_d: what? |
| 17:39.36 | Jabka | debian_d , 2.6.30-6 |
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| 17:41.09 | debian_d | purplepenguins: how to install that plugin , i created a diretory gedit2 in .gnome2 |
| 17:41.19 | purplepenguins | which plugin? |
| 17:41.23 | purplepenguins | ... |
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| 17:42.58 | purplepenguins | i don't know the first thing about gedit |
| 17:43.05 | purplepenguins | or its plugins |
| 17:43.12 | purplepenguins | i do know a little bit about emacs though |
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| 17:45.22 | debian_d | purplepenguins: alright thank you |
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| 18:01.33 | uwjesd | Hello there, whenever I am playing back videos I am having relicts at the upper part of the picture. Stripes that are not getting refreshed as fast as the rest of the picture. I have a decent system so that should not be a problem. Does the problem that occurs to me sound familiar to anyone in here? |
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| 18:02.52 | xeon-enouf | uwjesd: ask #mplayer, or whichever player-chaneel you use |
| 18:03.27 | uwjesd | xeon-enouf: It occurs in any player, so any channel would do I suppose. |
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| 18:13.19 | xeon-enouf | uwjesd: might be a video driver issue? |
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| 18:14.20 | Thick_McRunfast | Hey all, just encountered a couple interesting things, one that has been confusing for me for quite a while |
| 18:14.36 | Thick_McRunfast | Why is the default display manager not managed by update-alternatives? |
| 18:15.27 | Walex | Thick_McRunfast: you misunderstand the ''alternatives'' system and its purpose. |
| 18:15.40 | uwjesd | xeon-enouf: The negative effect does not appear when playing back files from my hard drive, just when I play dvds. |
| 18:15.52 | Walex | Thick_McRunfast: what is the path name of the display manager? |
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| 18:16.24 | Thick_McRunfast | Walex: I was under the impression it was for allowing easy selection of applications that provide the same behaviour |
| 18:16.35 | Walex | Thick_McRunfast: not quite. |
| 18:17.21 | Walex | Thick_McRunfast: it is for providing alternate implementation of exactly the same pathname with exactly the same invocation syntax. |
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| 18:17.32 | Walex | Thick_McRunfast: it is for providing alternate implementation of exactly the same pathname with exactly the same invocation syntax (or a common subset) |
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| 18:18.16 | Walex | Thick_McRunfast: so for example ''alternatives'' can provide a choice between multiple implementation of /usr/bin/emacs, but not between VIM and Emacs that are both ''editors''. |
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| 18:18.26 | Thick_McRunfast | Walex: Right, so x-terminal-emulator is always x-terminal-emulator, no matter what desktop environment you are in |
| 18:19.06 | Thick_McRunfast | I understand that, but it seems like "display managers" should fit that generalization very well |
| 18:19.34 | Walex | Thick_McRunfast: that is stretching the ''alternatives'' system a bit. Note that what is being ''alternativized'' is '/usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator', not the concept of X terminal emulator. |
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| 18:20.18 | Walex | Thick_McRunfast: if you really want define a new ''alternatives'' choice for '/usr/bin/x-display-manager'. |
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| 18:21.06 | Thick_McRunfast | Walex: I'll have to continue doing that until I get tired of doing that though, also my system would be nonstandard after that. I'd rather attempt to formalize a better system than is currently in place |
| 18:21.09 | Walex | Thick_McRunfast: for example for editors the convention is '$EDITOR' and '$VISUAL', not '/usr/bin/text-editor' |
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| 18:21.38 | Walex | Thick_McRunfast: ''alternatives'' is actually to solve a different problem: overlapping '.deb's. |
| 18:21.55 | jelly-home | Thick_McRunfast: why do you care, *dm are not to be run manually anyway? |
| 18:22.06 | Thick_McRunfast | I've read the preinstall/postinstall/rc scripts for gdm, wdm, xdm, and slim, the current solution for selecting them seems really flimsy. |
| 18:22.54 | Thick_McRunfast | jelly-home: Because I don't want to have to say "aptitude search '?and(?installed,?provides(x-display-manager))'", look for the one I want, find its path, then manually edit a file as root. |
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| 18:23.12 | jelly-home | Thick_McRunfast: edit a file? |
| 18:23.22 | Thick_McRunfast | /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 18:23.24 | jelly-home | Thick_McRunfast: dpkg-reconfigure any of the installed ones |
| 18:23.35 | Thick_McRunfast | That's a crap solution |
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| 18:23.39 | Cali | hello there |
| 18:23.39 | jelly-home | wfm |
| 18:23.55 | Cali | everyone happy :D ? |
| 18:24.29 | jelly-home | dpkg-reconfigure gdm + four keystrokes is shorter than update-alternatives --config x-display-manager |
| 18:24.51 | Thick_McRunfast | jelly-home, What if gdm isn't installed? |
| 18:25.04 | Thick_McRunfast | What if xdm isn't installed? |
| 18:25.07 | jelly-home | that's why I said "dpkg-reconfigure any of the installed ones" |
| 18:25.11 | Thick_McRunfast | What if you don't know _what_'s installed? |
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| 18:25.32 | jelly-home | I know which one gets started at bootup |
| 18:25.44 | Thick_McRunfast | Great for you, |
| 18:25.49 | gkahla | is it possible to install 'testing' from a 'stable' boot image? |
| 18:26.02 | Thick_McRunfast | gkahla, Yes, "expert install" |
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| 18:26.20 | Thick_McRunfast | jelly-home: This is a usability issue for newbie users attempting to become advanced/power users.. |
| 18:26.27 | Thick_McRunfast | s/..$/./ |
| 18:26.32 | gkahla | awesome - thanks, Thick_McRunfast (fan of MST3K) |
| 18:26.42 | Thick_McRunfast | gkahla, ^^ |
| 18:26.49 | jelly-home | newbies need not change from the default gdm anyway |
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| 18:27.53 | jelly-home | I mean, yes, it's far from a consistent interface, but it's really such an inconsequential issue IMHO |
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| 18:27.58 | Thick_McRunfast | jelly-home, Unfortunately arguing with you isn't really going to accomplish anything, since we clearly have different opinions on this point |
| 18:28.12 | Thick_McRunfast | jelly-home, Right, my point is that it could be used for all kinds of different things |
| 18:28.40 | Thick_McRunfast | What doesn't make sense to me is why the window manager is governed by update-alternatives and why display managers aren't |
| 18:28.46 | orschiro | how can I remove all packages that are no longer used or have at least no dependencies left? |
| 18:29.05 | Danic | I have a folder /home/django/myproject/media. User www-data must have rw-access to this folder, subfolders and all files within! I put user www-data in the django-group and did a "chmod -R g+rw /media". That works fine. The Problem is, that new folder and files don't have the permission g+rw!! Basically I want to inherit file permissions of media!! Any ideas? |
| 18:29.08 | orschiro | I want to clean my system a litte bit |
| 18:29.15 | luke1704 | hello, I am trying to cross-compile some sane driver. Unfortunately, ./configure fails (config.log: http://paste.debian.net/45354/). Does anybody know what to do? |
| 18:29.17 | Thick_McRunfast | orschiro, aptitude does that for you, unless you've manually pinned or installed something random |
| 18:29.52 | orschiro | so there's nothing to do manually? |
| 18:29.57 | luke1704 | compilation works, but linkage later fails |
| 18:30.12 | jelly-home | Thick_McRunfast: #debian-x people (irc.debian.org) would probably be a better bunch to ask. |
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| 18:32.04 | daemon | dpkg minimal-install |
| 18:32.04 | dpkg | daemon: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:32.04 | xeon-enouf | uwjesd: hdparm -i /dev/$(cat cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info | grep 'drive name' | awk '{ print$3 }') |
| 18:32.14 | daemon | dpkg tell me about revert to minimal |
| 18:32.15 | Thick_McRunfast | jelly-home, Why "debian-x" in particular? |
| 18:32.23 | xeon-enouf | er remove one cat uwjesd |
| 18:32.24 | SuperMIguel | whats the best benchmark to find my read/write speeds? |
| 18:32.34 | daemon | dpkg, tell me about minimal |
| 18:32.42 | Thick_McRunfast | That seems like the wrong place to discuss something not related to the Xf86->Xorg switchover, judging by the topic |
| 18:32.42 | daemon | kicks dpkg |
| 18:33.03 | daemon | dpkg, tell me about revert |
| 18:33.10 | xeon-enouf | uwjesd: dmesg | grep ATAPI will show you /dev/name as well |
| 18:34.02 | jelly-home | Thick_McRunfast: sorry? |
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| 18:35.07 | jelly-home | Thick_McRunfast: are you looking on the correct irc network (irc.debian.org ie. OFTC)? |
| 18:35.16 | Thick_McRunfast | Yes, |
| 18:35.23 | adms | just installed debian. aptitude does not install any programs |
| 18:35.26 | adms | any ideas |
| 18:35.40 | adms | aptitude install ? |
| 18:35.50 | jelly-home | Thick_McRunfast: that's the XSF team channel. xf86->xorg switchover was years ago... |
| 18:35.53 | Thick_McRunfast | adms: What does aptitude say, are you root, is your sources.list empty, etc |
| 18:35.53 | adms | base install no gui |
| 18:36.06 | adms | src list empty ya. i ran update |
| 18:36.16 | dvs | adms: I'd try "start" for starters. |
| 18:36.22 | dvs | adms: I'd try "startx" for starters. |
| 18:36.22 | adms | ? |
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| 18:36.25 | adms | no x |
| 18:36.30 | adms | dont want it |
| 18:36.38 | adms | i am on gentoo ssh in |
| 18:36.39 | Thick_McRunfast | adms, Get some stuff in your sources.list, aptitude update, problem solved. |
| 18:36.50 | adms | i ran that cmd still no joy |
| 18:37.06 | dvs | adms: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list says? |
| 18:37.12 | Thick_McRunfast | adms, Let me ask again, you have nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list, right? |
| 18:37.26 | adms | ahh its looking for cd |
| 18:37.34 | adms | when i run aptitude update |
| 18:38.08 | uwjesd | xeon-enouf: What should I be looking for? |
| 18:38.23 | jelly-home | Thick_McRunfast: [why #debian-x] they would be the people to ask about xorg plumbing issues |
| 18:38.30 | Thick_McRunfast | put something in there that targets the debian repos closest to you, run aptitude update, try again. |
| 18:38.33 | adms | Thick_McRunfast: |
| 18:38.36 | adms | correct |
| 18:38.40 | adms | how do i add |
| 18:38.47 | Thick_McRunfast | adms: "vim" |
| 18:38.52 | adms | and |
| 18:38.56 | Thick_McRunfast | "google" |
| 18:38.58 | adms | add lines |
| 18:39.00 | adms | ok |
| 18:39.08 | jelly-home | adms: there's an example in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:39.18 | Thick_McRunfast | jelly-home, I'll go over there then, thanks for the pointer |
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| 18:40.59 | jelly-home | adms: you'll want to replace "stable" with "lenny" in the example lines, to avoid pain when the next Debian release comes out |
| 18:41.51 | adms | ok |
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| 18:45.53 | adms | thanx jelly-home |
| 18:46.01 | adms | cp to /etc/apt |
| 18:46.11 | adms | changed to lenny |
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| 18:47.02 | dvs | adm: now "aptitude update" |
| 18:47.11 | adms | yeah doing that now |
| 18:47.17 | xeon-enouf | uwjesd: udma |
| 18:48.04 | uwjesd | xeon-enouf: You mean if the drive is fast enough? |
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| 18:50.02 | CodeNinja | :( openvrml is only in sid |
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| 18:50.51 | debian_d | what's the release date for squeeze? |
| 18:51.15 | adb | no date , next year/s |
| 18:51.38 | dvs | debian_d: early next year. |
| 18:52.48 | debian_d | how many months does it take to upgrade from the older version for debian? 6 months?? |
| 18:52.55 | adb | CodeNinja: openvrml-lookat ? yes |
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| 18:53.18 | debian_d | adb: dvs: how many months does it take to upgrade from the older version for debian? 6 months?? |
| 18:53.32 | adb | 1-2 year/s |
| 18:53.41 | dvs | debian_d: Huh? I don't understand the question. Do you mean how many months between major releases? |
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| 18:54.19 | debian_d | adb:dvs: yes for major release (from etch >>lenny>>squeeze) |
| 18:54.30 | debian_d | dvs:yes for major release (from etch >>lenny>>squeeze) |
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| 18:54.48 | dvs | debian_d: In general it's about two. The longest has been almost three. This cycle should be about a year. |
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| 18:55.06 | adb | should be ? |
| 18:55.10 | adb | heh |
| 18:55.14 | SuperMIguel | whats a good program to open pics? a light weight program |
| 18:55.20 | debian_d | dvs: two years !! that's long time |
| 18:55.39 | dvs | debian_d: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 |
| 18:55.42 | pipeline | debian_d: it's actually a pretty short time relative to commercial products |
| 18:55.52 | adb | debian_d: NO, that's long WORK |
| 18:56.03 | pipeline | debian_d: windows and solaris live on seven year lifecycles. As in, a minimum of seven years of support. |
| 18:56.12 | chellomere | SuperMIguel, if you want a really lightweight one, try qiv |
| 18:56.15 | pipeline | debian_d: with an indeterminate period between releases, just like debian |
| 18:56.15 | dvs | debian_d: Oops! Wrong one: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 18:56.22 | luke1704 | SuperMIguel, Picasa |
| 18:56.32 | CodeNinja | adb: yeah, theres no openvrml packages in lenny |
| 18:56.36 | pipeline | debian_d: the whole idea of fast, definite, time-based releases comes from open source products. |
| 18:56.55 | adb | CodeNinja: try /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 18:58.22 | CodeNinja | adb: I'm not sure its worth the trouble of building it from source, also didn't enjoy adding testing to my sources.ist |
| 18:58.24 | CodeNinja | list* |
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| 18:59.13 | adb | CodeNinja: seen backports too ? |
| 18:59.18 | CodeNinja | hm, I think the problem is related to something else |
| 18:59.29 | CodeNinja | nagios is not outputing the wrl for vrml |
| 18:59.41 | CodeNinja | browser just keeps telling me to download the .cgi |
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| 19:00.03 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 19:00.52 | pipeline | CodeNinja: that could mean everything is fine though |
| 19:00.59 | pipeline | CodeNinja: your browser may just not know how to handle the vrml mime type |
| 19:01.14 | CodeNinja | pipeline: it supposed to ask you to save the .wrl |
| 19:01.25 | CodeNinja | pipeline: correct, but the browser shouldn't be trying to save the .cgi |
| 19:01.26 | metalfan_ | i would like to move my root from my external usb drive to the internal sata drive. ive posted my question and needed information on the ubuntu forums, but since i dont get any answeres maybe one of you could take a look and answer me here? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7865880#post7865880 |
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| 19:02.43 | adb | dpkg: tell metalfan_ -about ubuntu |
| 19:04.39 | metalfan_ | adb, i know. but the ubuntu channel is to full....its more like a spam channel |
| 19:04.51 | metalfan_ | and this is more a grub question |
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| 19:05.26 | harrachi | hi, |
| 19:05.28 | dondelelcaro | metalfan_: that's fine, but it's about grub on ubuntu. If we were helping people with ubuntu, we'd be in #ubuntu helping... |
| 19:05.48 | metalfan_ | ok |
| 19:06.32 | harrachi | while partitioning , if you want to crypt your volume, you can't cypher the / volume? |
| 19:06.49 | dondelelcaro | harrachi: you can, but you need to have a /boot which is not encrypted |
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| 19:07.16 | harrachi | so i need to create another volume ? /boot |
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| 19:07.42 | dondelelcaro | harrachi: yes |
| 19:08.10 | harrachi | whats the size i muste put in it? |
| 19:08.13 | dondelelcaro | harrachi: see http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/ for example. |
| 19:08.52 | dondelelcaro | harrachi: big enough to fit the kernels and initramfs; 50M to 100M is probably more than sufficient. |
| 19:09.14 | harrachi | ok, thanx |
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| 19:11.43 | madhat | i booted onto a debian cd and a black screen came up with a blinking white cursor, does anyone know what this is? |
| 19:12.22 | tzafrir_laptop | how long is it since you booted? |
| 19:12.22 | Thick_McRunfast | bad CD? Didn't actually boot into the CD? |
| 19:12.41 | madhat | i let it go for maybe 2 minutes before rebooting |
| 19:13.56 | madhat | http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 19:14.02 | madhat | are all those the same, or are they different? |
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| 19:14.37 | Thick_McRunfast | Is there a way to boot into single-user mode while keeping the filesystem as read-only? |
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| 19:18.50 | tzafrir_laptop | Thick_McRunfast, boot with init=/bin/sh |
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| 19:19.11 | tzafrir_laptop | Note that you don't really have a fully functioning system then |
| 19:19.23 | Thick_McRunfast | tzafrir_laptop: I was thinking about that, but I need networking |
| 19:19.40 | Thick_McRunfast | I'm going to be trying to dd the drive in this laptop to another system, |
| 19:19.52 | Thick_McRunfast | I don't have enough disk space available elsewhere to just make an image |
| 19:19.57 | tzafrir_laptop | or boot from some live cd |
| 19:20.08 | Thick_McRunfast | heh, no CD on this laptop |
| 19:20.10 | Thick_McRunfast | No floppy either |
| 19:20.14 | Thick_McRunfast | or USB booting |
| 19:20.19 | tzafrir_laptop | usb key |
| 19:20.31 | tzafrir_laptop | network boot, then |
| 19:20.56 | Thick_McRunfast | No built-in network card, although I might be able to find a gpxe-compatible one somewhere |
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| 19:21.11 | Thick_McRunfast | Does gpxe work with pcmcia? |
| 19:21.27 | Thick_McRunfast | I think it does, but it's been so long since I've used it |
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| 19:25.13 | Pericius | what's the command to update particular package? |
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| 19:25.55 | sepult | apt-get install --reinstall blah |
| 19:26.13 | valdyn | --reinstall is redundant |
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| 19:27.08 | Pericius | anyhow, seems that i am already at the latest... but i know there are newer versions somewhere |
| 19:27.14 | Pericius | a package in question is subversion |
| 19:27.17 | Pericius | i have 1.5.1 |
| 19:27.23 | Pericius | and i need 1.6+ |
| 19:27.28 | valdyn | judd: versions subversion |
| 19:27.29 | judd | valdyn: subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 etch-security: 1.4.2dfsg1-3 etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 lenny-security: 1.5.1dfsg1-4 squeeze: 1.6.3dfsg-1 lenny-backports: 1.6.4dfsg-1~bpo50+1 sid: 1.6.5dfsg-1 |
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| 19:28.11 | Pericius | um, what does this all mean? |
| 19:28.56 | Pericius | i'm on 5.0... i guess that's lenny |
| 19:29.30 | tzafrir_laptop | There's a backport of 1.6 in backport.org |
| 19:30.13 | Pericius | googled how to install backports.... brb |
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| 19:37.17 | moncky | I have just setup a system from a minimal install and have and issue where mu keboard map is incorrect in the X session, ther correct map is being used in the consoles |
| 19:37.45 | moncky | i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org and dpgk-reconfigure console-data with no effect |
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| 19:37.57 | moncky | can anyone suggest where to look next? |
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| 19:38.59 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:40.16 | gerall | i'd like to install squeeze, but all i've got is a lenny netinst cd - are there options under 'advanced install' for putting testing on this box? |
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| 19:40.47 | gerall | i'd guess it's under configuring the package manager |
| 19:43.18 | kardan| | hi, i got this arror on debian squeeze: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/gdb/+bug/78875 |
| 19:43.22 | simonrvn | boot with expert with the install cd |
| 19:43.27 | simonrvn | gerall: ^^^ |
| 19:44.03 | gerall | running thru it now - still hasn't asked me about which version to install |
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| 19:44.53 | simonrvn | when the the time comes, you'll see it |
| 19:45.05 | simonrvn | it's kinda hard to miss ;) |
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| 19:45.32 | gerall | lol - i'll keep my eyes open, then |
| 19:45.34 | gerall | thx |
| 19:47.47 | VinylManiac | i have an audigy 2 and i get crackling sound |
| 19:47.51 | VinylManiac | any ideas? |
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| 19:49.27 | simonrvn | tries polishing off his crystal ball and use it |
| 19:50.19 | gerall | VinylManiac, I suppose you've done all the normal stuff; checking cables are connected properly, etc? |
| 19:50.29 | VinylManiac | gerall yes |
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| 19:50.43 | VinylManiac | how can i disable pulseaudio? |
| 19:50.50 | gerall | what OS / version are you running? |
| 19:50.59 | VinylManiac | squeeze |
| 19:51.04 | moncky | adb: hmm tried that but it didnt seem to work, when I tested the window manager did not start |
| 19:51.19 | moncky | adb: in addition my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is actually blank |
| 19:51.32 | gerall | VinylManiac, got me; I'm trying to get squeeze running for me now |
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| 19:52.31 | adb | moncky: X -configure , instruct you how to use , including how to make a new xorg.conf .. |
| 19:52.31 | gerall | any further config information you could provide might help diagnosis... |
| 19:52.44 | smacnay | If I want an environment (Gnome) where things tie together nicely (contacts are available to OpenOffice and Empathy), I most likely will want to use Evolution over Ice Weasel? |
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| 19:55.02 | moncky | adb: adb ahh I see its actually puking out at an error, |
| 19:55.10 | VinylManiac | anyone who knows how to unload pulseaudio? |
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| 19:56.49 | simonrvn | you kill the daemon.... |
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| 19:57.36 | daemon | No you don't :'( geezus you guys are evil sometimes |
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| 19:58.23 | cusco_ | hi |
| 19:59.09 | cusco_ | best way to set network speed limitations on port 25 ? |
| 19:59.14 | cusco_ | at the gateway |
| 19:59.31 | jelly-home | daemon: but only against your people! |
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| 20:00.18 | jelly-home | judd: come back! |
| 20:00.18 | simonrvn | daemon: hehe |
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| 20:01.10 | simonrvn | cusco_: use iptables or tc (iproute) |
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| 20:03.25 | cusco_ | simonrvn: i wish I knew how to handle iptables real good.. I still have a pending questions about iptables |
| 20:03.30 | cusco_ | Im trying to set up a transparent proxy |
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| 20:04.11 | petemc | cusco_: that can be just one line if you're only proxying web access |
| 20:04.35 | cusco_ | lets see.. |
| 20:04.38 | cusco_ | I have a debian box with two NIC's |
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| 20:04.58 | cusco_ | eth0 is 192.168.2.1 and eth2 is 192.168.2.10 |
| 20:05.07 | cusco_ | now I have the following script: |
| 20:05.28 | cusco_ | http://paste.debian.net/45352 |
| 20:05.46 | cusco_ | forget the squid part it is changed, now it looks like: |
| 20:06.17 | cusco_ | http://paste.debian.net/45357/ |
| 20:06.58 | cusco_ | so now it acts as a gateway, all the clients have 192.168.2.1 (eth0) as a gateway |
| 20:07.17 | cusco_ | tracepath shows that it hops trough 192.168.2.10 before going to 192.168.2.253 (real gateway) |
| 20:07.47 | cusco_ | so connections are going trough that box... so good so far |
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| 20:08.40 | petemc | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -s 192.168.2.0/24 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
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| 20:08.46 | petemc | thats what i use |
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| 20:09.40 | cusco_ | let me see |
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| 20:11.19 | cusco_ | not working |
| 20:11.22 | cusco_ | I don't know why |
| 20:11.23 | cusco_ | :( |
| 20:11.55 | Shadur | screams rather loudly at pidgin. Why are you 'waiting for network connection' when I've already got an internet connection? |
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| 20:13.02 | Wyzard | Shadur: I'm unable to connec to my jabber.org account with pidgin at the moment, so if that happens to be what you're trying to connect to, maybe they're down |
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| 20:13.51 | cusco_ | petemc: could it be messing up with other iptables rules? |
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| 20:15.35 | petemc | cusco_: why is eth0 a 192.168.2 address? is it not the connection to the internet? |
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| 20:17.41 | cusco_ | petemc: its a machine in the local network, real gateway is 192.168.2.253, but it does not run linux, so I set up that box in between |
| 20:18.03 | cusco_ | defined it as a gateway on dhcpd, all connections go trough it |
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| 20:19.10 | petemc | was it working before you tried to use squid? |
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| 20:19.32 | cusco_ | it still is working |
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| 20:19.44 | cusco_ | as I said before: |
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| 20:19.54 | cusco_ | 21:07 < cusco_> tracepath shows that it hops trough 192.168.2.10 before going to 192.168.2.253 (real gateway) |
| 20:20.07 | cusco_ | even tho gateway is 192.168.2.1 |
| 20:20.12 | cusco_ | instead of .10 |
| 20:20.20 | cusco_ | tho, that machine has both |
| 20:20.24 | danilom | where can i find my X configuration to make a backup? im using debian squeeze |
| 20:20.37 | danilom | i cant see it in /etc/X11 |
| 20:22.06 | petemc | cusco_: for me, the machines that i want to proxy for can only access eth1, is your setup different? |
| 20:22.06 | macrobat | iceweasel doesnt find jre. how do i give it a path? |
| 20:23.08 | Wyzard | danilom: If you're looking for xorg.conf, you might not have one; it's no longer needed in many cases |
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| 20:24.15 | danilom | Wyzard, so i want to backup a conf file? im going to install a nvidia driver.. i want to save the conf before, what can i do? |
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| 20:25.02 | Wyzard | danilom: If you don't currently have an xorg.conf, to use the nVidia driver you'll need to create one, but all it needs to contain is a Device section with an Identifier line and a Driver "nvidia" line |
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| 20:28.02 | cusco_ | petemc: for me should be eth0, as eth2 is the one going out |
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| 20:30.16 | moncky | im having some issues with what I think are broken dependancies is there a way to automagically check that out? apt-get -f install? |
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| 20:30.34 | macrobat | in opera i have the jre path: /usr/lib64/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/amd64 How do i tell iceweasel to use jre? |
| 20:30.35 | Evet | what i need to run perl? |
| 20:30.47 | Ezep | Evet: erm, perl? |
| 20:30.55 | Evet | Ezep, .pl |
| 20:31.10 | Ezep | To run perl, you need perl.. simply |
| 20:31.17 | macrobat | "perl script.pl" |
| 20:31.27 | adb | dpkg: tell macrobat -about jre |
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| 20:34.49 | VinylManiac | i have cracling sound |
| 20:34.57 | VinylManiac | god help me! |
| 20:35.21 | JPT | cracling... |
| 20:35.30 | JPT | put down the volume and check your connections |
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| 20:35.55 | Evet | thanks macrobat |
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| 20:36.21 | VinylManiac | jPT connections are fine |
| 20:36.24 | Spockz | I just compiled a package from src... and now it says: dpkg-buildpackage: binary and diff upload (original source NOT included) |
| 20:36.29 | Spockz | I don't hope I destroyed something :p |
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| 20:37.42 | JPT | VinylManiac: sometimes, your mixer settings will result in clipping |
| 20:38.56 | VinylManiac | I don't see anything wrong in mixer settings |
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| 20:40.17 | JPT | actually it's not really something wrong...but when i set some settings to 100%, it results in a cracling sound.. |
| 20:40.24 | harrachi | re -hi |
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| 20:41.04 | harrachi | how can i in a command line add a paquet location, ans what are the most used ones? |
| 20:41.07 | VinylManiac | It's not a matter of high volume |
| 20:41.16 | JPT | hm... |
| 20:41.18 | JPT | o |
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| 20:42.11 | adb | harrachi: explain , please |
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| 20:43.08 | harrachi | i installed basic minimal debian and during the install i didn't mention location pakage |
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| 20:43.48 | adb | ah , /msg dpkg sources |
| 20:44.39 | harrachi | adb ?? |
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| 20:45.41 | adb | put that command in irc |
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| 20:47.25 | macrobat | adb, on following the dpkg factoid, the things i find on java in mozilla are heavily outdated, there are mentions of woody, gcc3.x, mozilla 1.42 |
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| 20:50.26 | harrachi | adb thanx |
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| 20:52.59 | zeroConfDev | hey my onboard ethernet is using forcedeth for the driver, and its droppping packets, how do i find / install a different driver |
| 20:53.45 | adb | macrobat: http://wiki.debian.org/Java ? |
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| 20:56.29 | Seven_Six_Two | I have an ageing machine running debian etch for my webserver and I've just put together a slightly better machine out of a few other machines. can I just take the hd from my server and pop it in the new machine? |
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| 20:58.02 | Titan8990 | Seven_Six_Two, probably |
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| 20:59.28 | Seven_Six_Two | ok thanks. I'll give it a try. I don't have the ability to dl an iso right now, and I only have an ubuntu 8.04 cd with me so I don't want to have to reinstall |
| 21:00.46 | jelly-home | Seven_Six_Two: upgrading the hardware is almost never a reason to reinstall Linux |
| 21:01.04 | Seven_Six_Two | sweet |
| 21:01.08 | Seven_Six_Two | I wasn |
| 21:01.20 | Seven_Six_Two | I wasn't sure, because the only constant is the hd |
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| 21:03.21 | macrobat | adb: the java wiki page isnt very helpful. installing default-jre didnt change anything |
| 21:04.44 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:09.52 | moncky | I have solved my issue with running X -configure however this has not solved my issue, to recap I have the correct keyboard map in the console but an incorrect keyboard map in X |
| 21:10.14 | macrobat | installing sun-java6-plugin worked |
| 21:10.44 | adb | ;) |
| 21:11.09 | jelly-home | Seven_Six_Two: well. If you had really new hardware, you might have to upgrade the kernel, but the rest of the distro would be kept as-is |
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| 21:13.13 | adb | moncky: setxkbmap us ? |
| 21:13.37 | jelly-home | !keymap |
| 21:13.37 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 21:14.00 | jelly-home | that wasn't exactly helpful for X |
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| 21:17.32 | orschiro | I upgraded my whole system to unstable but now having problems with quota when I install new packages. this is the output with the example of installing locales: http://pastebin.org/13447 |
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| 21:18.22 | EugenMayer | is there a reason why solr-jetty is not available? |
| 21:18.25 | azeem | orschiro: looks like unstable breakage |
| 21:18.40 | grey_gandalf | hi all... someobody upgraded grub? I have the new version now... and I don' have my windows disk anymore |
| 21:18.43 | azeem | orschiro: apparently you have to install/enable/reorder portmap |
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| 21:19.11 | grey_gandalf | I'm unsure to run grub-install on all devices, I fear to wipe the windows bootloader |
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| 21:20.23 | grey_gandalf | I have one disk with linux, one disk with windows |
| 21:20.50 | Titan8990 | grey_gandalf, grub on one disc can load both |
| 21:21.06 | bzed | azeem: hmm, thats a bug in quota |
| 21:21.10 | orschiro | @azeem: thanks, installing portmap solved that problem :) |
| 21:21.14 | grey_gandalf | Titan8990, I had so with old grub |
| 21:21.21 | azeem | bzed: yeah, I guess so |
| 21:21.28 | bzed | orschiro: do you want to file a bug against quota? |
| 21:21.55 | bzed | orschiro: I could do it, too, not a problem |
| 21:22.02 | grey_gandalf | Titan8990,I added a windows entry to my old grub menu |
| 21:22.19 | jaalto | The man(1) does not seem to display "colors" (black & white; bold). What might be the cause? |
| 21:22.21 | grey_gandalf | Titan8990, but with the new grub I dont' now where tp put it, since at each new kernel grub-update is run |
| 21:22.39 | orschiro | @bzed: well I could do it as well, if you explain how to do it. would be my first one so let me try it. *g* |
| 21:22.56 | bzed | orschiro: install reportbug and run it and follow the directions :) |
| 21:24.05 | bzed | orschiro: quota needs to depend on portmap it it mentiones it in Required-Start |
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| 21:24.17 | bzed | orschiro: or portmap and probably $remote_fs need to be moved to Should-Start |
| 21:24.19 | smacnay | how does one utilize an open ssh tunnel? I am used to a shell to start the connection. |
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| 21:25.19 | bzed | smacnay: what do you exactly mean? |
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| 21:28.06 | zr0 | ok, is doing two different filesystems/partitions across two disks, doing raid 0 for one, raid 1 for the other a dumb idea? |
| 21:28.10 | grey_gandalf | so nobody uses grub2 ? I guess I need some magic either in de default/grub or in the grub.d stuff |
| 21:28.19 | EugenMayer | /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5 start :( |
| 21:28.21 | EugenMayer | no JDK found - please set JAVA_HOME failed! |
| 21:28.42 | orschiro | allright it's getting difficult. Do I really have to attach all these files mentioned by reportbug? |
| 21:28.45 | EugenMayer | i simply installed tomcat by apt-get...is the package not supposed to set the JAVA_HOME automatically? |
| 21:29.10 | harrachi | re |
| 21:29.22 | jelly-home | grey_gandalf: http://paste.debian.net/45364/ |
| 21:29.51 | harrachi | i have two partitions; one with windows and the other i want to install debian, is it possible ti just cypher the debian one during the install? |
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| 21:30.55 | jelly-home | grey_gandalf: update-grub takes stdout from all the stuff in /etc/grub.d/ and puts in grub.cfg |
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| 21:34.20 | smacnay | bzed, I have an app (ssh tunnel manager) that makes the ssh connection but am wondering how to access that tunnel afterward? |
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| 21:38.22 | bzed | smacnay: what do you exactly want to do? |
| 21:38.31 | bzed | smacnay: seems you fail to understad somethign here.... |
| 21:39.09 | moncky | adb: well that was causing issue but I have fixed it |
| 21:39.13 | moncky | adb: thanks for the help |
| 21:39.53 | adb | moncky: cool , anytime |
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| 21:41.44 | smacnay | bzed, I am surely uninformed... |
| 21:41.56 | bzed | smacnay: what do you exactly want to do? |
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| 21:43.29 | smacnay | bzed, I want to use the tunnel manager app but am unsure of what to do once the tunnel is open. From command line ssh, I connect and do various things on a remote machine. With tunnel manager app, I connect, but then what? |
| 21:43.54 | bzed | smacnay: *what do you want to do exactly* |
| 21:44.31 | bzed | smacnay: I guess you confuse 'tunnel' with something else |
| 21:44.37 | smacnay | bzed, manage files on the remote machine. Edit config files. check mail. run an app. Things like that. |
| 21:44.48 | bzed | smacnay: thats not what a tunnel is for. |
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| 21:45.22 | bzed | smacnay: a ssh tunnel forwards remote ports to a local machine and the other way round. |
| 21:45.32 | smacnay | bzed, then this is my problem. I guess. Not understanding what the tunnel does. |
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| 21:45.48 | smacnay | bzed, so I can forward mail or other ports. I see. |
| 21:45.57 | bzed | smacnay: a tunnel has nothing to do with executing stuff on the other side |
| 21:46.02 | EugenMayer | how would i remove the limitation, that only localhost connections are allowed on a tomcat 5.5. server under lenny? |
| 21:46.57 | smacnay | bzed, thanks - my problem was understanding the purpose of the tunnel. |
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| 21:48.04 | bzed | smacnay: if you want to use graphical applications on the remote side, there are several ways to do that - for example by running a vnc server there and connecting to it - which is usually done trough a ssh tunnel as the vnc protocol is pretty much not secure |
| 21:48.53 | smacnay | bzed, so make the remote desktop tunnel forward over the ssh tunnel. That would make sense. |
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| 21:49.11 | flixil | Hello. Testing user. Anyone with a gnome-settings-daemon error message on gnome startup? |
| 21:49.28 | bzed | !tell flixil about anyone |
| 21:49.36 | smacnay | bzed, is vnc still the optimal way of remote desktop control? It has been some time since I used it. |
| 21:49.58 | bzed | smacnay: well there is xrdp which tries to implement the rdp protocol... |
| 21:50.29 | smacnay | bzed, stable? Or still being developed? |
| 21:50.34 | bzed | smacnay: and there is NX/nomachine - which is not really free, google is working on a free replacement for that, but that's not finished yet afaik |
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| 21:50.55 | bzed | smacnay: xrdp is stable afaik, it is at least in lenny |
| 21:51.16 | smacnay | bzed, thanks - I will investigate that. |
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| 21:51.28 | smacnay | bzed, and try it out over an ssh tunnel. |
| 21:51.39 | SparFux1 | How to install libQtDBus.so.4 32bit version on amd64 in recent debian unstable? |
| 21:52.11 | pmo | SparFux1, apt-file |
| 21:52.48 | SparFux1 | pmo: I think there was some kind of mechanism established to install 32 bit versions from 64 bit versions on-the-fly? |
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| 21:53.58 | flixil | Hello. Using Squeeze I get the following window message after login gnome on gdm. http://paste2.org/p/407001 When running g-s-d with --debug I get http://paste2.org/p/407004 |
| 21:54.49 | SparFux1 | pmo: ok, but I can simply install the packages found by apt-file still. Problem solved, Thx. |
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| 21:54.55 | flixil | Hello. Using Squeeze I get the following window message after login gnome on gdm. http://paste2.org/p/407001 When running g-s-d with --debug I get http://paste2.org/p/407004 |
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| 21:55.03 | xjih78 | hello everybody |
| 21:55.12 | xjih78 | my flash plugin buggs from time to time with iceweasel |
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| 21:55.15 | flixil | Any idea about how to get ride of it? |
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| 21:55.37 | xjih78 | the sound sort of repeats. |
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| 21:56.05 | flixil | xjih78, what flash plugin do you use? |
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| 21:58.25 | xjih78 | I'm using the flashplayer-mozilla package |
| 21:59.25 | xjih78 | in the stable release |
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| 22:00.17 | hotwings | anyone used a remote wonder ii in debian before? or linux in general i guess |
| 22:00.57 | hotwings | looks for a stable RF remote setup for linux, preferrably with a usb receiver |
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| 22:08.20 | adb | root |
| 22:08.40 | adb | no .. |
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| 22:11.09 | pmo6 | do you know of any sata controller ? |
| 22:12.00 | macrobat | xjih78: have you tried flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:12.34 | macrobat | i dont know if there is any difference in flash plugins |
| 22:12.52 | adb | dpkg: tell pmo6 -about sata |
| 22:13.28 | xjih78 | macrobat: i will try it |
| 22:14.53 | Titan8990 | pmo6, thats very vague... intel ICH8/9/10? |
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| 22:15.29 | Evet | how to list running programs? i remember like that, ps aux |
| 22:15.38 | pmo6 | Titan8990, yes, i meant, a sata controller which could manage 4 or more ports |
| 22:15.44 | pmo6 | adb, thanks |
| 22:16.02 | Titan8990 | pmo6, uhh, i would stay probably all of them |
| 22:16.21 | Titan8990 | i have only seen 2 sata port boards on special ITX and HTPC boards |
| 22:16.37 | pmo6 | A6N8X 2 ports |
| 22:16.42 | pmo6 | A7N8X |
| 22:17.08 | pmo6 | and so far, all cheap sata controller i have seen, mention 2 sata ports |
| 22:17.45 | Titan8990 | that board is like 5+ years old.... |
| 22:18.04 | pmo6 | yep, i dont buy a new one, each year :) |
| 22:18.13 | xjih78 | macrobat: by nonfree you mean flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound? |
| 22:18.32 | Titan8990 | pmo6, well, i recently ordered a sata card for a old pc im turning into a fileserver |
| 22:18.34 | xjih78 | there are only flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound? |
| 22:18.37 | Titan8990 | pmo6, let me find the one i picked out |
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| 22:19.05 | pmo6 | Titan8990, thanks ;-) |
| 22:20.13 | Titan8990 | pmo6, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124028 |
| 22:20.39 | Titan8990 | pmo6, i bought purely based on being cheap and knowing that any modern linux kernel will have the satasil driver needed to run it |
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| 22:21.01 | Titan8990 | pmo6, and only having PCI, no PCIe, limited my choices quite a bit |
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| 22:21.27 | macrobat | xjih78: ther might be a flashplugin-nonfree in backports |
| 22:21.32 | pmo6 | Titan8990, you mean you can have far better / cheaper with PCIe ? |
| 22:21.33 | bove | I've suddenly got read only access to rootfs. I would expect mount -f /dev/sdb5 -o rw / to do the trick, but it doesnt |
| 22:22.07 | macrobat | xjih78: lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 |
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| 22:22.55 | bove | Any ideas on what I can do? I do not have physical access to the computer right now |
| 22:23.00 | Titan8990 | pmo6, during my search there was appox 3 times the number of choices in pcie |
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| 22:23.24 | Titan8990 | pmo6, but they were more expensive |
| 22:24.00 | pmo6 | Titan8990, i thought PCe was more for graphic cards |
| 22:24.27 | Titan8990 | pmo6, no pcie is basically replacing pci altogether |
| 22:24.33 | Titan8990 | pmo6, pcie x16 is for video cards |
| 22:25.02 | Titan8990 | which replaced AGP x4/x8 altogether |
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| 22:26.03 | pmo6 | Titan8990, i "lost" my motherboard with a lightning.. curious thing is.. pci cards, seem to work at least pci graphic card, i dont know much of the rest |
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| 22:27.06 | mogunus | Is there a linux equivalent to the option for df in BSD that reports total space used and free across all file systems? I can't find one in the man page. |
| 22:27.14 | mogunus | Some other program that does that? |
| 22:27.17 | Titan8990 | pmo6, i just bought this and the sata card to go with some other parts i have for a file server: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/1347324853.html |
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| 22:27.44 | Titan8990 | mogunus, you mean including unmounted? |
| 22:27.52 | petemc | mogunus: df -h does that for all mounted filesystems? |
| 22:28.01 | Titan8990 | mogunus, or a total of them all? |
| 22:28.03 | ajavid | 192.168.1.11/28 <- what is this range exactly? from what ip to what ip? |
| 22:28.25 | ajavid | would it start from .11 if specified like this? |
| 22:28.30 | jelly-home | ajavid: use ipcalc |
| 22:28.32 | mogunus | petemc: yes, but it doesn't then add up everything and give sum of "total space available" and "total space used" across all mounted filesystems. |
| 22:28.33 | Titan8990 | ajavid, subnet calculator |
| 22:28.36 | ajavid | ok |
| 22:28.41 | ajavid | but I'm trying to understand |
| 22:28.45 | Titan8990 | ajavid, i HATED subnetting in school |
| 22:28.47 | ajavid | I have a javascript subnet calc loaded |
| 22:28.51 | ajavid | in a webpage |
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| 22:29.10 | ajavid | Titan8990, I'm trying to implement QoS on my router |
| 22:29.11 | pmo6 | Titan8990, good deal (40$) at least from EU point of view |
| 22:29.22 | Titan8990 | ajavid, 28: 11111111 11111111 11111111 11110000 |
| 22:29.25 | ajavid | Titan8990, I need to select ips from .11 to .20~ish, so I picked /28 |
| 22:29.35 | Titan8990 | ajavid, convert the last ocet to decimal and you get the subnet mask |
| 22:29.39 | jelly-home | ajavid: that would be 0 - 15 |
| 22:29.48 | ajavid | jelly-home, hm. |
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| 22:30.09 | ajavid | ok, what is 192.168.1.11/24 |
| 22:30.19 | ajavid | just 1 single ip right? the one specified? .11? |
| 22:30.19 | pmo6 | ajavid, 16 (size of network) |
| 22:30.21 | xjih78 | macrobat: should I use dpkg -i to install it or apt-get? |
| 22:30.23 | jelly-home | ajavid: 192.168.1.0-255 |
| 22:30.27 | ajavid | ugh. |
| 22:30.28 | Titan8990 | ajavid, 255.255.255.0 |
| 22:30.38 | joltcan | ipcalc ftw |
| 22:30.39 | jelly-home | /32 = single ip |
| 22:31.04 | Titan8990 | but uses 3 addresses for each |
| 22:31.31 | pmo6 | ajavid, 192.168.1.11/28 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.15 |
| 22:31.32 | Titan8990 | 0-2 would be the first network of one ip |
| 22:31.34 | jelly-home | long story short, you can't base .11 - .20 solely using a netmask, ajavid |
| 22:32.04 | ajavid | awwww |
| 22:32.11 | ajavid | goddamit. thats what I wanted to know |
| 22:32.18 | jelly-home | ajavid: you can have 16 - 19 or 16 - 23, or 0 - 15 or 0 - 31 |
| 22:32.32 | ajavid | ok |
| 22:32.39 | macrobat | xjih78: what version of shockwave flash do you see with "about:plugins" in iceweasel? |
| 22:32.40 | ajavid | so /32 is single ip? |
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| 22:33.14 | Titan8990 | yes but will take up 3 address for each |
| 22:33.15 | xjih78 | macrobat: i just purged it whatever it was :) |
| 22:33.28 | macrobat | xjih78: i use aptitude to install. have you downloaded a .deb? |
| 22:33.48 | ajavid | Titan8990, so 192.168.1.10/32 = exactly which 3 ips? |
| 22:34.15 | jelly-home | Titan8990: what do you mean by that "will take up 3 address for each" |
| 22:34.29 | macrobat | xjih78: the installing of the conflicting flash pkg would have taken care of uninstalling the old pkg |
| 22:34.31 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, network and broadcast addresses |
| 22:34.59 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, each single node would be wasting 3 addresses basically |
| 22:35.14 | xjih78 | macrobat: i just installed the package. the next stage is testing it. |
| 22:35.38 | Titan8990 | e.g. - first usable ip: 1 2nd: 4 |
| 22:35.39 | macrobat | k |
| 22:35.44 | jelly-home | Titan8990: ajavid isn't configuring an interface, but selecting a range for some network application |
| 22:35.47 | xjih78 | aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 22:36.15 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, well, i was also under the impression he wanted to learn how it worked |
| 22:36.44 | jelly-home | Titan8990: if the context was configuring an interface /32 wouldn't make any sense (unless it were a point-to-point iface) |
| 22:37.11 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, i know, i was trying to point that out |
| 22:37.15 | jelly-home | and if it were point-to-point, network and bcast wouldn't make any sense either |
| 22:37.40 | jelly-home | I just don't get where you got 3 wasted ips from |
| 22:37.46 | Titan8990 | only time i have seen in is for ISPs that are giving a business a single static IP |
| 22:37.52 | SuperMIguel | i just installed a printer in debian using the system-config-printer and the state wont change from processing :( any idea? |
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| 22:38.51 | xjih78 | macrobat: it seems to work correctly for now. i'll watch for the bug again |
| 22:39.02 | macrobat | good luck |
| 22:39.24 | xjih78 | thanks for teaching me what the backports are! :) |
| 22:39.47 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, sorry, i was wrong, i was just looking at the calculator |
| 22:40.07 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, and it appears in the case of /32 the node, network, and broadcast addy are all the same |
| 22:41.15 | adb | as they were point-to-point |
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| 22:45.30 | ajavid | Prioritizing by IP Address (Netmask Priority) |
| 22:45.36 | ajavid | These are entered in CIDR notation including the network prefix. |
| 22:45.44 | ajavid | For example, to specify a single IP address enter xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx / 32. |
| 22:45.50 | ajavid | ... |
| 22:46.33 | bzed | ajavid: if you have a question, please ask it, if not, don't spam the channel. |
| 22:46.35 | adb | ajavid: > #nerworking |
| 22:46.59 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:49.05 | ajavid | are you an idiot? |
| 22:49.09 | ajavid | I just wanna know... |
| 22:49.57 | Titan8990 | ajavid, i don't know what the question is |
| 22:49.59 | xerophyte | i have openldap install with postfix , ldap server only has around 5 entries .. but its timeout time to time .. does anybody know what could be wrong .. sometime it works and return result other time just time out on connection |
| 22:50.02 | ajavid | bzed, learn to srollup and know wtf you're on about before you're on about it. |
| 22:50.25 | ajavid | Titan8990, question was about the range of ips, you answered it, thank you |
| 22:50.36 | bzed | ajavid: fisr don't even dare to ask if I'm an idiot. second: don't spam the channel, use a pastebin. |
| 22:50.47 | ajavid | bzed, /ignore ajavid |
| 22:50.49 | ajavid | now stuf. |
| 22:51.19 | ajavid | bzed, you've been purposefully addressing me trying to start shit for a couple of days now... seriously. stop. |
| 22:51.47 | ajavid | Titan8990, it seems /32 is what I was looking for |
| 22:51.52 | bzed | ajavid: couple of days? oh really? that's the first time I talk to you. And I stronly suggest you change your behaviour here. |
| 22:52.22 | adb | ajavid: calm down , and stop spamming the channel |
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| 22:52.58 | ajavid | Anger Management (the movie) comes to mind. Seems like I'm Adam Sandler and you're Jack Nicholson, just trying to irritate me even more :) |
| 22:53.01 | ajavid | you fail. |
| 22:53.12 | ajavid | just stop being a prick thats all. |
| 22:53.16 | adb | ajavid: it's not for the first time |
| 22:53.20 | ajavid | stop |
| 22:53.23 | ajavid | dude... fucking stop. |
| 22:53.26 | ajavid | stfu already. |
| 22:54.45 | ajavid | well, what can ya do. it is sunday. All the assholes usually swarm over to #debian today. |
| 22:54.58 | ajavid | I'm off, bye bye. |
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| 22:56.36 | mogunus | I'm finding the documentation for Cyrus IMAP server to be a little... dense. Is there a good printed guide to it or something? |
| 22:56.54 | mogunus | I'm looking at getting the "Book of IMAP" from starch free press. Is there anything better than that? |
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| 22:57.31 | mogunus | (I have been reading the Debian READMEs that come packaged with it, I just want to understand more about my configuration options before I do the test install) |
| 22:57.47 | mogunus | My server runs lenny. |
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| 22:59.01 | johnakabean | how do you make a .src.rpm with rpmbuild? |
| 22:59.04 | Tramp | mogunus: I don't know - but there is a #cyrus |
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| 22:59.36 | adb | dpkg: tell mogunus -about imap |
| 22:59.42 | mogunus | Tramp: oh, much more on-topic. Thanks. |
| 22:59.49 | Tramp | yw |
| 23:00.37 | pmo6 | mogunus, howto / rfc standards can't help ? |
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| 23:01.19 | mogunus | pmo6: what I'd like is a guide to tuning cyrus on debian |
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| 23:01.29 | oreo | hmmm... i actually had a high esteem for lighttpd; seems to suck though. especially when seeing it doesn't support .htaccess |
| 23:02.08 | pmo6 | mogunus, sounds application level hence may depend on what sort of application you use (kmail, evolution) and more.. as i try to guess |
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| 23:05.07 | mogunus | pmo6: I don't think it does? mostly I want practical advice on the config file, and how to back up cyrus's db properly. |
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| 23:05.32 | johnakabean | HOW DO YOU MAKE A SOURCE RPM WITH RPMBUILD???? |
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| 23:06.19 | pmo6 | mogunus, hence reading rfc / imap standards may help figuring out, what is what (usually it does) |
| 23:06.46 | macrobat | johnakabean: isnt it easier to make rpms in fedora? |
| 23:07.12 | nsadmin | johnakabean: rpms? in debian?? moooooo! |
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| 23:08.41 | mogunus | pmo6: should reading RFC3501 be enough, or should I read the older ones first? Mostly, I care about getting a solid, back-upable IMAP setup with support for Sieve scripts. |
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| 23:10.14 | pmo6 | mogunus, sometimes RFC refer to other RFC, so it may help.. seems you pretty much need / want a good knowledge of the product, since you can't find it "here", or no one to do / or did the specific work you are about.. good luck man |
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| 23:10.49 | johnakabean | yeah I forgot you guys use .deb packages |
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| 23:11.17 | hersoy | hi, i have got a kernel error how can i do? reinstal kernel? |
| 23:11.26 | nsadmin | actually we're switching to .ian in about 4.978234 seconds... |
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| 23:12.08 | mogunus | pmo6: Yeah. I need a fairly in-depth understanding of the IMAP mess. Thanks though, it didn't even occur to me to just read the relevent RFC's. |
| 23:12.21 | macrobat | johnakabean: to build a .deb http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?uid=19224&f=16&t=38976 |
| 23:12.41 | brbrbr | warmly greet everyone |
| 23:13.20 | NiveusLuna | okay... i'm trying to use the debian squeeze business card installer. it's not detecting my ethernet card during install. the card is a linksys ether16 (very old). anyone know which driver I should pick? |
| 23:14.11 | nsadmin | NiveusLuna: pci card? look at lspci -nn |
| 23:14.12 | pmo6 | hersoy, you got to try guess where the error comes from |
| 23:14.21 | Wyzard | That's an ISA card, apparently |
| 23:14.24 | pmo6 | hersoy, kernel message may help |
| 23:14.34 | Wyzard | possibly supporting PnP, but ISA PnP never worked very well |
| 23:14.46 | Wyzard | so don't expect that card to be autodetected |
| 23:14.55 | NiveusLuna | nsadmin: i'm trying to install debian. i don't think there's an lspci for me to use. |
| 23:14.58 | hersoy | how can i see error? what is kernelops ? |
| 23:15.23 | NiveusLuna | ...isa? i might have disabled isa support in the bios. lemme check that. |
| 23:15.23 | Wyzard | Does your machine have any PCI slots available? You can get a 100mbit PCI card very inexpensively, and it'd be much easier to install with and use |
| 23:15.41 | nsadmin | NiveusLuna: what os are you using on it now? |
| 23:15.54 | NiveusLuna | it's a 10-year-old+ system, i don't know if it even supports current standards. |
| 23:15.57 | pmo6 | hersoy, where did you see kernel error message ? usually we look at kernel error messages on /var/log/kern.log |
| 23:16.08 | NiveusLuna | um... a debian install that no longer boots. |
| 23:16.18 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: A 10-year-old machine should support PCI |
| 23:16.29 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: Open it up and take a look |
| 23:16.51 | nsadmin | NiveusLuna: well assuming you have a pci nic floating around |
| 23:17.18 | nsadmin | if not they're cheap... but you can also try isapnpconf thingy |
| 23:17.54 | nsadmin | NiveusLuna: can you rescue into it? |
| 23:18.00 | hersoy | can i paste pastebin.com ? |
| 23:18.00 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: For example, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166004 (and even that's overpriced) |
| 23:18.54 | hersoy | pmo6, disable irq18 and kernel error |
| 23:18.59 | NiveusLuna | i do have another card, but i think it's ISA (not quite sure, I'm really not a hardware person) |
| 23:19.05 | hersoy | Aug 31 02:03:06 ersoy kernel: [ 948.786882] hda: packet command error: status=0xd0 { Busy } |
| 23:19.26 | NiveusLuna | turned on PnP support in the bios. |
| 23:19.42 | hersoy | Aug 31 01:49:27 ersoy kernel: [ 2.638542] usb 1-2: device not accepting address 2, error -71 |
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| 23:19.42 | pmo6 | hersoy, hda / ide .. hard disk or cd rom or dvd ? |
| 23:20.18 | pmo6 | hersoy, you have some IDE bus issue |
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| 23:20.23 | qubodup | hello |
| 23:20.30 | NiveusLuna | huh... 6.99 is overpriced? I might just buy a new PCI card, then. |
| 23:20.31 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: http://www.computersbycampus.com/images/AGP-PCI-ISA-full_cards.jpg |
| 23:20.50 | qubodup | can someone give me the url of that page, which lists all (content?) licenses accepted by debian and some that were not accepted? |
| 23:20.52 | hersoy | pmo6, how can i do? i cant use debian, error error .... |
| 23:20.54 | bubsy | do you guys remember my debian wlan issues yesterday? |
| 23:20.54 | qubodup | google fails |
| 23:20.56 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: The contacts at the bottom of a PCI card are narrower and closer together than on an ISA card, so it's easy to distinguish them |
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| 23:21.02 | pmo6 | hersoy, i'd say IRQ conflict, maybe |
| 23:21.03 | bubsy | well.... I forgot an underscore in the ESSID :D |
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| 23:21.10 | nsadmin | thinks many isa nics had 10base2 connectors (bnc) |
| 23:21.17 | pragma_ | Looks more like an IRC conflict. |
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| 23:21.39 | NiveusLuna | ...nope, it's an AGP card. |
| 23:21.44 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: https://ist94.wikispaces.com/file/view/agp_pci_isa.jpg -- the white slots are PCI, and the black one at the bottom is ISA |
| 23:21.44 | nsadmin | pragma_: those Are called "channel takeovers".... |
| 23:21.57 | Wyzard | It's not AGP... AGP was used only for graphics cards |
| 23:22.20 | hersoy | pmo6, conflict ? which |
| 23:22.24 | qubodup | ok, got it http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 23:22.29 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: and AGP connectors look like this: http://thomas.perrier.name/Resources/agpresistors.jpeg |
| 23:22.44 | pmo6 | hersoy, i am a pretty bad guy, on my own, i would look at kernel config, and make some changes here and there, to see if it improves.. also kernel / Documentation might be of much help.. look for some part of the message you posted on kernel documentation ... grep -ir 'busy' * |
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| 23:23.22 | NiveusLuna | Then I don't know what my spare is. |
| 23:23.43 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: Here's a better image of a PCI connector: http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/pci-connector2.jpg |
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| 23:23.50 | nsadmin | hersoy might want to back up his hd soonish |
| 23:24.04 | Wyzard | If the pins on your card look like that, it's PCI; if they're wider but still all the same shape (not stairstepped like AGP) then it's ISA |
| 23:24.09 | rbparten | Hey guys, is Thunderbird available? |
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| 23:24.28 | NiveusLuna | ...ah... different versions of PCI. |
| 23:24.28 | rbparten | Or is it a different name |
| 23:24.31 | oreo | i'm having a problem with RAM. "ps aux" reports that 17% of my RAM is used while /proc/meminfo reports that 88% of my RAM is used; what gives? |
| 23:24.38 | jpinx | judd: versions thunderbird |
| 23:24.39 | judd | jpinx: thunderbird -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 |
| 23:24.45 | NiveusLuna | that's the one, but the motherboard i'd be putting it ind oesn't have the appropriate connector for it |
| 23:24.48 | jpinx | rbparten: ^^ |
| 23:24.52 | NiveusLuna | :/ |
| 23:25.00 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: No white PCI sockets on the motherboard? |
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| 23:25.12 | hersoy | p-ata s-ata error? |
| 23:25.20 | NiveusLuna | none with that particular plugin pattern |
| 23:25.25 | NiveusLuna | they have two slits, not three |
| 23:25.48 | Wyzard | Oh, that's fine |
| 23:25.52 | pmo6 | hersoy, hmm, by the way.. if you have those messages, hda is the hard disk you actually use.. you may face big trouble.. pretty soon, since bits may not be written propperly on disk, i hope for you, before you sort out, your issue, you use anohter system |
| 23:27.05 | pmo6 | hersoy, hda / IDE, sata usually sda like scsi |
| 23:27.06 | Wyzard | I'm not sure why some PCI cards have two notches when the slot only has one; it may have to do with different revisions of PCI that aren't electrically compatible |
| 23:27.12 | Wyzard | but if the card fits in the slot, it should work |
| 23:27.31 | NiveusLuna | in case it doesn't, which driver do I use for the ISA one? |
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| 23:27.38 | NiveusLuna | or is there one applicable? :/ |
| 23:28.03 | hersoy | but debian etch not problem |
| 23:28.04 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: http://forum.soft32.com/linux2/Debian-install-help-Linksys-Ether16-LAN-Card-Problem-ftopict46678.html says it's an NE2000-compatible card, for which the driver is called "ne" |
| 23:28.20 | NiveusLuna | okay, thanks |
| 23:29.03 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: but unless you can get ISA PnP working (and it's nicknamed "plug and pray" for good reason), you'll have to find out what I/O address and IRQ the card is using, and give those to the driver |
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| 23:29.26 | NiveusLuna | ISA PnP was disabled in the bios. I turned it on. |
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| 23:29.34 | NiveusLuna | Hopefully it'll work... otherwise i have no idea if I can pull that off. |
| 23:30.02 | Wyzard | The extent of my experience with ISA PnP is that I used to have a PnP AWE32 soundcard and I was never able to get it working |
| 23:30.48 | Wyzard | I'd really recommend just getting a PCI card, since it sounds like your machine supports PCI and even a really cheap PCI NIC will be better than the ISA one you have now |
| 23:30.52 | oreo | i'm having a problem with RAM. "ps aux" reports that 17% of my RAM is used while /proc/meminfo reports that 88% of my RAM is used; what gives? |
| 23:31.00 | nsadmin | I think I have one of those lying around |
| 23:31.10 | NiveusLuna | well, it *had* an integrated one, but it can't make a physical connection anymore. |
| 23:31.18 | nsadmin | why? |
| 23:31.19 | NiveusLuna | and I have no idea why. It just stopped working one day. |
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| 23:31.47 | nsadmin | hmm, ok, any idea yet what kind of nic you have in there? |
| 23:32.07 | Wyzard | Anyway, I need to go run some errands... good luck with it, whichever route you end up taking |
| 23:32.17 | pmo6 | ether16, seems to refer to 16 bits network card |
| 23:32.45 | NiveusLuna | thanks. |
| 23:32.57 | hersoy | pmo6, thank you |
| 23:33.19 | pmo6 | hersoy, welcome and good luck.. be cautious with your system |
| 23:33.38 | NiveusLuna | grah. keeps going back to the select driver screen. |
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| 23:37.00 | jpinx | any google chrome browser users got flash to work yet in lenny? |
| 23:37.30 | nsadmin | NiveusLuna: download the similar netinst image, burn that and install just the base. leave net unconfigured |
| 23:38.08 | nsadmin | then you can try isapnptools |
| 23:38.35 | NiveusLuna | ok |
| 23:38.49 | NiveusLuna | the target system is slow, it'll take a while. |
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| 23:41.50 | nsadmin | is there any way you can get into the old debian? |
| 23:42.11 | NiveusLuna | i haven't tried a rescue disk. |
| 23:42.50 | NiveusLuna | my laptop has fedora, i might be able to make a grub cd |
| 23:43.13 | nsadmin | you might want to... if you can get in, you can find the driver... and if it's an ISA nic, you'll need the port and irq numbers |
| 23:43.31 | NiveusLuna | no distribution of linux i've ever installed on that box has noticed the isa card exists |
| 23:44.11 | nsadmin | so you've never actually been able to use it under linux? |
| 23:44.21 | NiveusLuna | never. always had to use the integrated one. |
| 23:44.36 | NiveusLuna | which until a few days ago wasn't a problem. |
| 23:44.59 | nsadmin | then you might as well power the machine down, pull the nic and compare it to the other nic you have |
| 23:45.47 | NiveusLuna | then again, back when i last tried to use it, i didn't know IRC existed. |
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| 23:48.11 | NiveusLuna | i'm gonna need a longer screwdriver... |
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| 23:53.19 | NiveusLuna | would a linksys etherfast 10/100 LAN card fare any better? |
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| 23:58.34 | NiveusLuna | ... |
| 23:58.43 | NiveusLuna | okay, installed the PCI card... and i have news of progress. |
| 23:58.52 | NiveusLuna | now it can detect the card, but DHCP isn't working. |
| 23:59.09 | NiveusLuna | there is a physical connection (<3 the lights on the router) |
