| 00:00.17 | ix | Why is it that you have to limit the number of packages? Are you very limited space-wise? As he pointed out, they packages are very small. |
| 00:00.52 | rue_house | well I watch leaks, cause I only have a 4G / parititon |
| 00:01.07 | rue_house | which is 2G more than I should need |
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| 00:02.00 | rue_house | ! i upgraded it to 6G! pff |
| 00:02.15 | rue_house | ok |
| 00:03.17 | rue_house | if I have to come back from bitchx, your all gonna hear about it.... :) |
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| 00:03.59 | rue_house | small! its over 10M! |
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| 00:04.09 | abrotman | irssi you mean ? |
| 00:04.18 | rue_house | no I use bitchx |
| 00:04.25 | rue_house | whats irssi? |
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| 00:05.02 | rue_house | I'll be back... |
| 00:05.06 | rhavenn | rue_house: irssi = command line IRC client |
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| 00:05.14 | abrotman | !bitchx |
| 00:05.14 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. |
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| 00:10.58 | rue_house | haha |
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| 00:12.16 | rudi_s | Isn't there a * missing for the channel? |
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| 00:14.41 | rue_house | ok, 8M of drivers I'll never need are purged... |
| 00:15.18 | rue_house | that shoudl be added to deborphan's tests, ... or a program like localepurge |
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| 00:17.38 | nsadmin | rudi_s: think like Sly Stone... "Everybody is a *"... |
| 00:18.17 | rudi_s | nsadmin: ? I meant /ignore -regexp -pattern (BitchX|BX) _*_ QUITS |
| 00:18.19 | abrotman | rue_house: it already does dependencies ... |
| 00:18.32 | rue_house | apt? |
| 00:18.45 | abrotman | deborphan |
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| 00:19.07 | rue_house | yes, but its not catching all the supurflious x servers that were just installed |
| 00:19.15 | nsadmin | or was that Staple Singers... |
| 00:19.20 | xeon-enouf | they're not servers |
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| 00:20.24 | abrotman | rue_house: then they're depends .. not recommends .. wonder why |
| 00:21.04 | nsadmin | superfly-us? |
| 00:21.19 | nsadmin | that's curtis mayfield... |
| 00:21.35 | xeon-enouf | that was _the_shack_ or something |
| 00:21.37 | rue_house | well from what I can tell there, xserver-xorg-core uses xserver-xorg-video-all as its dependency, instead of saying any ONE or more of the drivers satisfy it |
| 00:21.58 | rue_house | xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.1.1-11), xserver-xorg-video-all |xserver-xorg-video-1.0, xserver-xorg-input-all |xserver-xorg-input, debconf (>= 0.5) |debconf-2.0, xkb-data |xkb-data-legacy, xbase-clients |
| 00:22.15 | rue_house | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 dosn't exist, so scratch that |
| 00:22.30 | rue_house | debconf-2.0 dosn't exist, scratch that |
| 00:22.32 | xeon-enouf | rue_house: it's done likely so when people swap video cards, their X comes up |
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| 00:22.51 | abrotman | judd: versions debconf-2.0 |
| 00:22.51 | judd | abrotman: debconf-2.0 -- |
| 00:22.57 | abrotman | judd: versions debconf |
| 00:22.58 | judd | abrotman: debconf -- etch: 1.5.11etch2 lenny: 1.5.24 sid: 1.5.24 sid: 1.5.27 squeeze: 1.5.27 |
| 00:23.01 | rue_house | right, I dont change video cards |
| 00:23.02 | abrotman | okay then ... |
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| 00:23.28 | Titan8990 | rue_house, lol used to a VIDEO_CARDS variable in your make.conf? |
| 00:23.42 | nsadmin | debconf-2.0 probably refers to the conference |
| 00:23.48 | rue_house | my debconf is newer than 0.,5 so scratch that |
| 00:24.08 | rue_house | does that leave any options? |
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| 00:24.17 | rue_house | conference? |
| 00:24.33 | nsadmin | yes, they're called debconf |
| 00:24.52 | Xalt0r | bring that shit in |
| 00:24.53 | nsadmin | and iirc, one of them was referred to as debconf-2.0 |
| 00:24.56 | Xalt0r | Freedoooooooom |
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| 00:26.18 | jeremiah_ | can anyone recommend a good keyboard / mouse sharing system - synergy has become really flaky on me |
| 00:26.20 | nsadmin | other than that, there has never been a debconf package of a version so high as that |
| 00:26.20 | rue_house | but all the fonts are working again, so I'm happy |
| 00:26.31 | abrotman | jeremiah_: synergy? :) |
| 00:26.37 | Xalt0r | Synergy |
| 00:26.41 | Xalt0r | lol its energy |
| 00:26.44 | Xalt0r | snot synergy |
| 00:26.47 | tonsofpcs | synergy |
| 00:26.58 | jeremiah_ | buggy, and crashes a lot |
| 00:27.06 | tonsofpcs | [also, x2x, x2vnc] |
| 00:27.09 | jeremiah_ | isn't there something called XonX or somethinkg? |
| 00:27.17 | jeremiah_ | ah, yes, thanks tonsofpcs |
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| 00:27.21 | nsadmin | there's Xnest |
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| 00:27.39 | jeremiah_ | nsadmin: Have you tried that? |
| 00:27.43 | Xalt0r | cool |
| 00:27.43 | tonsofpcs | synergy is nice for systems that are always next to each other |
| 00:27.45 | nsadmin | sure |
| 00:27.50 | tonsofpcs | x2vnc and x2x are nice for temprary situations |
| 00:28.11 | mnzt42yd | helo all |
| 00:28.21 | jeremiah_ | Well, I have been using synergy for a while now, and it is all of a sudden segfaulting etc, |
| 00:28.22 | nsadmin | it's just an X client which pretends to be a server |
| 00:28.48 | Xalt0r | cool |
| 00:28.55 | Xalt0r | I just scored this guys sister |
| 00:28.56 | Xalt0r | online |
| 00:28.58 | Xalt0r | this chat is amazing |
| 00:30.02 | nsadmin | you don't need chats for that :P what you do need is to cold-approach 1000 new women |
| 00:30.55 | rue_house | ok thanks for the info |
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| 00:31.02 | Xalt0r | damn I'm going to get laid tomorrow |
| 00:31.03 | mnzt42yd | h can domeone help a noob out iv a debain based distro installed and its failing to load fsck fail during boot ... how can i copy files from directory on the hdd to a usb drive |
| 00:31.09 | Xalt0r | I should probably take a bath |
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| 00:31.28 | mnzt42yd | from root prompt |
| 00:31.51 | nsadmin | mnzt42yd: debian-based dists which are not debian are unapologetically unsupported here |
| 00:31.55 | nsadmin | just so you now |
| 00:32.05 | nsadmin | err just so you know |
| 00:32.09 | mnzt42yd | ok cool soory :) |
| 00:32.32 | jeremiah_ | Hmmm x2x has "glitches" with non-ascii data |
| 00:32.53 | nsadmin | but you might try a live CD of some kind |
| 00:32.57 | jeremiah_ | And it looks like it uses an Imakefile, weird. |
| 00:32.58 | mnzt42yd | just thought id try my luck or un luck as uit is in my case lol |
| 00:33.01 | Xalt0r | lol |
| 00:33.05 | Xalt0r | You have no luck |
| 00:33.13 | nsadmin | mnzt42yd but you might try a live CD of some kind |
| 00:33.18 | mnzt42yd | cool i understand np |
| 00:33.22 | Xalt0r | No get out |
| 00:33.26 | Xalt0r | You asshole |
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| 00:33.51 | nsadmin | Xalt0r: you haven't started your approaches yet? |
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| 00:34.21 | Xalt0r | Hey I paid the guy for his sister, I don't need to wrry. |
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| 00:35.01 | nsadmin | but you're being kinda stupid here... you might as well do something that's worth your time |
| 00:35.50 | Xalt0r | jack off? |
| 00:35.56 | Xalt0r | Nope, already did that |
| 00:36.33 | nsadmin | Xalt0r: no, approach 1,000 women |
| 00:37.08 | nsadmin | after that you won't need to jack off |
| 00:37.30 | Xalt0r | I don't think that will work, im pretty sure ive jacked off over 1,000 times in my lifetime |
| 00:37.58 | Xalt0r | k brb need to ban evade ubuntu falsely banned my noble soul |
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| 00:43.11 | Brian | i was thinking about installing debian insted of ubuntu is there any reason not to |
| 00:45.22 | nsadmin | Brian: why are you thinking about that? |
| 00:45.34 | karsten | Brian: I hear teh Ubuntu ningas might kill-9 you in your sleep. |
| 00:45.54 | karsten | erm. sleep(1) |
| 00:46.03 | nsadmin | are you running ubuntu now? is there something wrong? |
| 00:46.25 | karsten | Brian: That's not the sort of question that's going to get a particularly insightful answer here. |
| 00:46.35 | Brian | no |
| 00:46.35 | karsten | !tell Brian about why debian |
| 00:46.44 | nsadmin | what are you running now? |
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| 00:46.56 | Brian | mandriva but i wanna change |
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| 00:47.14 | nsadmin | why do you want to change? what's wrong with what you have now? |
| 00:48.03 | SuperMIguel | nsadmin, the name is not as cool as "Debian" |
| 00:48.06 | chepp | is it possible to run X applications from chrooted systems? like lets say im running a linux variant and i have a folder with another linux variant which i run with chroot? |
| 00:48.51 | nsadmin | chepp: how is the x server running? |
| 00:49.04 | chepp | nsadmin: ? |
| 00:49.18 | chepp | i am not running a xserver, i am asking because i do not know myself |
| 00:49.42 | nsadmin | knowing yourself is considered good for your psyche :) |
| 00:50.06 | nsadmin | how would you run x clients if there is no x server running? |
| 00:50.39 | chepp | ok so i have not yet installed a xserver because i do not know if it is possible to run xapplications from chrooted environments |
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| 00:50.58 | chepp | if it is then i will install X and use it |
| 00:51.01 | nsadmin | if you run the server from the chroot it should be no problem |
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| 00:52.28 | chepp | <linuxA(running xserver)>---chroot----><linuxB(has client application installed>. ok so does this work |
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| 00:52.56 | chepp | linuxA is my computer where i run X and everything |
| 00:53.07 | chepp | linuxB is a chrooted environment |
| 00:53.26 | Xalt0r | shit I know whats better than linux |
| 00:53.30 | Xalt0r | a good muffin mmm |
| 00:54.22 | chepp | if i start a xserver in the chrooted envinronment it wont start cos it wont get the screen resources nor the mouse nor anything. it would not make sense, so what im asking is if i can connect it cos X is client server based iirc |
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| 00:54.42 | chepp | tuxffin |
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| 00:55.31 | chepp | nsadmin: nevermind ill just try it and if it works it works |
| 00:55.37 | nsadmin | chepp: one thing you should do, is read man X |
| 00:56.20 | nsadmin | also remember that the the user the x server runs as is important |
| 00:57.42 | chepp | nsadmin: yeah ive been reading some documentation as well, but it does not clearly state it anywhere so i thought i would ask. |
| 00:57.58 | chepp | nsadmin: i think i know how to do it so ill just try it |
| 00:59.32 | nsadmin | chepp: man X is a good read, and explains the basics of how the client/server aspect of X works, and much more |
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| 01:08.36 | nsadmin | chepp: if it's a pure chroot it should share the same IP as the running server, then by default you run as the same user in the chroot as out (numeric according to each passwd file) and then you just need to set DISPLAY var for the clients in the chroot |
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| 01:11.07 | sigmonsays | why would sid have a package which experimental does not? |
| 01:11.29 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsays: because experimental isn't a full suite |
| 01:11.30 | mjay | Hmm, what difference is there between installing a deb file , and extracting the deb file, putting all the files in the right folder? |
| 01:11.39 | dondelelcaro | mjay: lots |
| 01:11.39 | mjay | i have this proprietary deb package (not publicly available). It has no dependencies. However it does run properly on a non-ubuntu (fedora) distro. The error i get is a library included by the deb package, and it's in the right folder - again, it has no dependencies. Any ideas? |
| 01:11.52 | mjay | it doesnt* |
| 01:12.04 | dondelelcaro | mjay: what precisely is the error? |
| 01:12.20 | sigmonsays | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 01:12.28 | nsadmin | if you want to have different users connect, you could try using xhost as an experiment but xauth is preferred as a more permanent/stable solution |
| 01:12.31 | abrotman | he's asking #debian about an ubuntu package being installed onfedora ? |
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| 01:12.53 | mjay | abrotman, not really ubuntu specific package, sorry for copy/pasting my question |
| 01:13.07 | nsadmin | abrotman: sounds like an old yggdrazil experiment to me |
| 01:13.08 | abrotman | not really debian specific ... |
| 01:13.46 | mjay | dondelelcaro, not sure the error will help you but : "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:". However the class is included in the deb file, and i put it in the right location. |
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| 01:14.03 | mjay | abrotman, trying to understand the debian package system. |
| 01:14.10 | nsadmin | mjay: if it doesn't work without specific packages installed and those packages are not in Depends: lines in the control file, that's a bug |
| 01:14.26 | nsadmin | mjay: oh, there's the debian packaging manual too |
| 01:14.40 | mjay | nsadmin, the package doesn't have any dependencies. Everything is included in it |
| 01:14.41 | nsadmin | and there's debhelper |
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| 01:15.27 | mjay | Yeah i've been reading and using google before resorting to IRC but all i find is generic info that isn't really helping me |
| 01:15.32 | dondelelcaro | mjay: you've most likely not given the proper -classpath or similar |
| 01:15.43 | nsadmin | mjay: so ubuntu is therefore now so different from debian that not considering the differences will make it fail? |
| 01:16.02 | mjay | nsadmin, works on debian as well as ubuntu |
| 01:16.03 | dondelelcaro | mjay: but without knowing what this is, what it's installing, and what it's supposed to do, there's not much we can do to help you |
| 01:16.26 | zinx | nsadmin: Yes. |
| 01:16.36 | nsadmin | mjay: then I misunderstand your original question. |
| 01:16.41 | mjay | dondelelcaro, the classpath shouldn't be the problem as it runs perfectly in debian and ubuntu. Hmm |
| 01:17.15 | mjay | nsadmin, my bad, english isn't my first language my description might've not been the best |
| 01:17.29 | dondelelcaro | mjay: uh... if it runs fine in Debian, then what exactly is the problem? |
| 01:17.41 | abrotman | he's running it on Fedora |
| 01:17.58 | nsadmin | oh, I get it now |
| 01:18.00 | mjay | dondelelcaro, the problem is that i dont understand why i cannot run it on other distros which aren't using deb |
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| 01:18.26 | nsadmin | the java installations close to the same? |
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| 01:19.06 | mjay | I guess? The class not found error is specific to the "deb program" and shouldn't be related to the java installation |
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| 01:19.27 | abrotman | mjay: you probably want to ask #java or #fedora .. it seems like an application run time error, not a packaging issue |
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| 01:20.18 | nsadmin | mjay: also without seeing the code itself responses you get may not always be on target |
| 01:20.39 | mjay | abrotman, Hmm okay. It just seems wierd to me. It seems as if doing dpkg -i xxx.deb does something magical, instead of just resolving dependencies and copying the files into their right location |
| 01:20.53 | mjay | nsadmin, hmm? Dont understand |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | mjay: yes, there are scripts associated with installation .. but i'd really suspect the OS/Java setup .. not the package |
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| 01:22.21 | nsadmin | mjay: debian packages use a mechanism similar to slackware packages, that is, the packages can have scripts that run before/after installing, and before/after removing |
| 01:22.55 | nsadmin | I don't see how fedora/redhat could get away without that |
| 01:23.16 | mjay | I'm afraid i cannot show you the deb package, but from what i can find within it when i extract it, there are no such scripts |
| 01:23.25 | abrotman | it's really not relevant here ... |
| 01:24.11 | mjay | How is discussing how deb packages work not relevant for this channel? |
| 01:24.33 | abrotman | because this channel is to support Debian users |
| 01:24.37 | dondelelcaro | mjay: it doesn't do anything magical; but it has to track what it's installing, deal with conffiles, etc. |
| 01:24.49 | dondelelcaro | mjay: so it's quite a bit different from just "unpacking" the deb |
| 01:25.03 | nsadmin | in fact, |
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| 01:25.26 | nsadmin | "unpacking" is one of two phases of installing a .deb, the other being "configuring" |
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| 01:26.17 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I mean unpacking in the dpkg -x sense, not the dpkg --unpack sense |
| 01:26.20 | mjay | I see. You know of a good place to learn more about the configuring phase? Especially how to examine what configuring is being done for a specific deb package? |
| 01:26.57 | dondelelcaro | mjay: uh... dpkg -x and dpkg -e will show you the full contents of the package; there's nothing else in the package |
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| 01:27.24 | abrotman | mjay: which version of java is the fedora system using? |
| 01:27.27 | dondelelcaro | mjay: but really, you should be talking to the vendor of whatever this proprietary piece of software is, instead of us |
| 01:27.35 | dondelelcaro | (since we've got nothing to do with it) |
| 01:27.37 | dhm | I'm trying to install mysql-server on the latest debian, but keep getting dependency errors which can't be installed. any ideas? |
| 01:27.45 | dondelelcaro | !tell dhm -about bat |
| 01:27.46 | abrotman | dhm: you ran away before i coudl answer you |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | dhm: have you run `aptitude update` before trying to install ? |
| 01:28.08 | nsadmin | dhm: first make sure you don't have a mixed installation |
| 01:28.10 | dhm | sorry, first time using irc on os x :\ it's ugly |
| 01:28.27 | mjay | abrotman, 1.6.0 |
| 01:28.46 | dhm | abrotman: apt it updated, yes |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | dhm: do you also have security.debian.org sources ? |
| 01:29.09 | dhm | nsadmin: how would I do that? uname -a returns: Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Aug 14 01:27:18 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:29.12 | nsadmin | mjay: is the class that's not found one of the proprietary classes? if not which class is it? |
| 01:29.33 | mjay | nsadmin, it's one of the proprietary classes |
| 01:29.34 | dhm | abrotman: probably not, which should I get? |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | mjay: i'd start with #java to find out hte error, and then go to either the vendor or #fedora |
| 01:29.53 | abrotman | dhm: can you put your sources.list in a pastebin ? |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | find out the cause of the error |
| 01:30.13 | dhm | abrotman: exact command please? |
| 01:30.18 | nsadmin | mjay: so then likely the classpath has the correct path for the java stuff but the wrong path for the additional stuff |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | dhm: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:30.20 | mjay | abrotman, i know what the error means, i just dont know why i'm getting it. It's not related to a java error within the code as it runs on debian/ubuntu |
| 01:30.39 | abrotman | mjay: great .. not sure if you've noticed .. you're not running it on debian/ubuntu |
| 01:30.53 | Xalt0r | yea |
| 01:30.57 | Xalt0r | you're not running anything |
| 01:31.06 | dhm | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m6b86e977 |
| 01:31.14 | mjay | nsadmin, hmm. That would imply that dpkg -i xxx.deb assigns/changes the classpath? |
| 01:31.49 | abrotman | dhm: you don't have a main source .. let me make one up for you .. hold on |
| 01:31.53 | mjay | abrotman, i know and i'm sorry. But you guys probably know more about deb packages than fedora guys does. |
| 01:31.57 | nsadmin | mjay: it has to in all cases in order to find the code |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | mjay: except it's a java error |
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| 01:32.16 | nsadmin | specifically it has to append/prepend to the classpath |
| 01:32.50 | abrotman | dhm: echo "deb http://ftp.uga.edu/debian/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list .. the >> is *very* important |
| 01:33.02 | abrotman | dhm: then `aptitude update;aptitude install mysql-server` |
| 01:33.15 | dhm | ;) I understand, just a tad drunk :P |
| 01:33.19 | abrotman | awesome |
| 01:33.28 | nsadmin | tads get drunk?! |
| 01:33.31 | dhm | uga? |
| 01:33.38 | dhm | sure gatech doesn't host one? |
| 01:33.39 | dhm | lol |
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| 01:33.41 | abrotman | dhm: university of georgia ? |
| 01:33.49 | nsadmin | it might |
| 01:33.49 | dhm | yeah I know, I'm from GaTech :P |
| 01:34.00 | nsadmin | look at the mirror list |
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| 01:34.27 | mjay | nsadmin, hmm i see. Then there must be a configuration script within the deb package that specifies that. I'll look into it, thanks for your help |
| 01:34.30 | mjay | abrotman, except it's not. |
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| 01:35.07 | abrotman | <mjay> dondelelcaro, not sure the error will help you but : "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:". However the class is included in the deb file, and i put it in the right location. |
| 01:35.14 | abrotman | that doesn't seem like a java issue ? |
| 01:35.24 | mjay | No. |
| 01:35.31 | dhm | abrotman/nsadmin: why wouldn't debian come with a main in sources.list to begin with? |
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| 01:35.38 | abrotman | okay .. then tell us what the error is .. then you can fix it |
| 01:35.38 | mjay | Dont want to argue with you, but it should be obvious that it's not a problem with java. |
| 01:35.45 | abrotman | dhm: your internet wasn't hooked up at install time ? |
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| 01:36.25 | nsadmin | mjay: be advised that "classpath" is a uniquely java name for what's probably a more general concept. another piece of evidence is the exception name is very clearly from java |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman | still not a #debian issue .. |
| 01:36.38 | dhm | hrmm it was, maybe the VMware config was off. Oh well |
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| 01:37.31 | abrotman | dhm: is it working now? |
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| 01:37.35 | mjay | nsadmin, it is from java, sure. But since it's the same version of java, running the same code.... but giving different results, it cannot be a java problem per se. It must have something to do with whatever is being done during "dpkg -i xxx.deb" |
| 01:37.39 | dhm | abrotman: appears to be, thanks a bunches |
| 01:37.50 | dhm | idles |
| 01:37.57 | nsadmin | mjay: it's not a problem with where or how the java vm/dk is installed, but be advised the classpath -must- refer to all java code that's ever going to run. |
| 01:38.09 | abrotman | mjay: how did you install java on each system? |
| 01:39.08 | mjay | nsadmin, yes.... but the classpath should be specified within the java application, i dont see why the deb install configuration phase would want to change it (or even could) |
| 01:39.15 | nsadmin | this means: the class path must refer to the classes that come with java, perhaps the classes associated with "enterprise edition" as well as the classes in your application |
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| 01:39.36 | nsadmin | -one- classpath must have -all- that. |
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| 01:40.40 | nsadmin | mjay: that would be a catch-22 situation... you can't have the app set the class path to its own code without the class path referring to it already |
| 01:41.34 | mjay | oh |
| 01:41.49 | dhm | thanks again abrotman and nsadmin :) cheers. |
| 01:42.01 | mjay | so that must most definitely mean that the install process adds the classpath of the code to the "universial classpath" right? |
| 01:42.13 | nsadmin | if there's some sense of a "loader" class, then the class path must refer to java and to that loader, and then must alter the class path (assuming permission to do so) to refer to the rest of the application |
| 01:42.20 | nsadmin | but that's reaching. |
| 01:43.01 | nsadmin | mjay: yes, the install process must arrange to set the classpath somehow. |
| 01:43.23 | mjay | ah okay |
| 01:43.50 | nsadmin | however alternatively you can set the classpath manually, and if you do so on the fedora side you will probably get it to work |
| 01:44.05 | mjay | awesome, thanks a lot |
| 01:44.54 | nsadmin | if this is a java -application- (not applet), you can specify the classpath to the "java" command. |
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| 01:45.07 | aliceinwire | who is the upstream author? |
| 01:45.19 | nsadmin | if it's an applet, you can use appletviewer |
| 01:45.22 | mjay | It is an application, i'll look into it |
| 01:45.33 | abrotman | so .. not a package error :) |
| 01:45.54 | nsadmin | abrotman: certainly not a debian package error :) |
| 01:46.08 | nsadmin | which was never claimed |
| 01:46.25 | abrotman | and not a #debian issue |
| 01:46.29 | mjay | abrotman, never claimed it was a package error. Why the hostility? Geez, i even apologied for asking about how deb packages work (which i really shouldn't have to but whatever) |
| 01:46.44 | abrotman | mjay: i told you before .. this channel is to support debian users |
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| 01:47.04 | abrotman | not people who are trying to install a .deb package on an OS it was never intended for and the OS isn't even debian-based |
| 01:47.11 | nsadmin | true enough... but there wasn't much else going on anyway, so I chose not to hardline it |
| 01:47.14 | abrotman | and a .deb not even in debian |
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| 01:47.56 | nsadmin | mjay: on the fedora side is it an rpm? |
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| 01:48.19 | mjay | abrotman, I see your point, my goal might've not been to do something on debian, but my question clearly was debian related as i wanted to know what was/could be going on during 'dpkg -i xxx.deb' |
| 01:48.42 | mjay | nsadmin, no, there is no rpm available |
| 01:48.58 | nsadmin | so you had to pull apart the .deb? |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | it's not debian related |
| 01:49.05 | mjay | nsadmin, i did, yes |
| 01:49.38 | nsadmin | mjay: look in the control.tar.gz tarball |
| 01:49.39 | mjay | abrotman, dpkg not related to debian? Hmm okay, fair enough |
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| 01:50.05 | abrotman | mjay: many other distros use dpkg .. that doesn't make #debian a dumping ground for all dpkg related questions |
| 01:50.24 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 01:52.52 | mjay | nsadmin, it only contains a list of md5sums and a 'control' file with a description of the package along with the version ect |
| 01:54.20 | nsadmin | mjay: weird... I have a suspicion that it installs the code in such a way as to appear to be part of the set of java classes |
| 01:54.21 | mjay | abrotman, i'm sorry then, i thought this was the most appropriate place to ask about dpkg |
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| 01:54.51 | nsadmin | meaning in the same dir as the rest of the java classes |
| 01:55.02 | mjay | uhm |
| 01:55.04 | mjay | i dont think so |
| 01:55.27 | mjay | it creates its own folder in /usr/local where it dumps all its files |
| 01:55.38 | abrotman | maybe you sohuld move to #debian-offtopic or some other channel |
| 01:56.07 | mjay | nsadmin, i'm in offtopic if you wanna continue there |
| 01:56.59 | nsadmin | I'll just make the final comment here that the loc /usr/local is "weird" for a debian package to be touching |
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| 01:57.17 | abrotman | nsadmin: uhm .. it'snot a debian package .. we covered that ages ago |
| 01:57.47 | nsadmin | right, so it's not subject to debian policy. just noting that makes it weird |
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| 01:58.49 | nsadmin | the only way I see it working is if the package has shell scripts that start the app |
| 01:59.00 | mjay | it has |
| 01:59.19 | nsadmin | ok, so that completely explains why and how it works |
| 01:59.24 | mjay | again, offtopic channel =) Dont want to be breaking the rules of this any further |
| 01:59.39 | nsadmin | is totally done, dropping. |
| 02:00.43 | mjay | I'm not sure how that completely explains it, and it's not really "working" |
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| 02:08.06 | ajavid | hi |
| 02:08.30 | eXapid | hey mate |
| 02:08.58 | ajavid | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005125 <- I just ordered this to replace one of my dying 24" LCDs. It is a steal at $220. 23" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Full HD 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 50000:1 <- look at the specs man. Enjoy. I know I will when it finally gets here. :) |
| 02:09.11 | ajavid | fucking fglrx I swear to god |
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| 02:09.22 | ajavid | never again ATI, never again. |
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| 02:10.26 | abrotman | ajavid: you have a problem |
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| 02:11.42 | ajavid | I have many problems. |
| 02:12.23 | ajavid | and I think I need to get another video card, as fglrx has seemingly totally fucked my card up |
| 02:12.37 | ajavid | both dvi ports report disconnected, yet I'm on X... |
| 02:12.59 | ajavid | 1 port is dead on dvi, no input singal, 2nd port gets no EDID |
| 02:13.22 | ajavid | I want to get an ATI card, but there is no telling when the radeonhd driver will fully support stable 3d accel in debian |
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| 02:14.14 | ajavid | I'm considering an nvidia just for its drivers atm. I don't know. Does anyone have experience installing nvidia graphics drivers on a .30 backported kernel in stable (with a fairly recent nvidia driver/gfx card)? |
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| 02:14.53 | ajavid | From your experience? is it a pain? how do the drivers perform? would there be any potential problems I could face in stable specifically |
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| 02:15.45 | ajavid | I could get another X1900, r580 chipset, great gaming card, fully supported by open drivers |
| 02:16.17 | ajavid | but I want to upgrade. Question is, in linux, ATI or NVIDIA... question of open drivers vs closed, missing func. vs decent enough closed drivers |
| 02:16.57 | ajavid | I know if i get an ATI card, recent one I'll want 3d, and I refuse fglrx, and radeonhd isn't complete... so nvidia seems like my only choice for another few years... |
| 02:17.23 | ajavid | abrotman, yes... I do have a problem. A big one. |
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| 02:17.31 | dihi | Hey guys, in order to print on my universities network printers i need to add an argument to the print command telling it what user I am. I can install the printer with the search for printer function but i dont know how to tell the printer which user I am. Any help? thanks THe command I have to add is "-U username" |
| 02:17.55 | abrotman | dihi: to which command ? |
| 02:18.21 | dihi | to whatever command is executed to print a file i guess |
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| 02:18.32 | abrotman | dihi: and which version of debian? |
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| 02:19.20 | dihi | abrotman, you caught me! Im using ubuntu 9.04 but havent been able to get help on the ubuntu channel... |
| 02:19.36 | dihi | but since debian is similar.... i thought maybe... |
| 02:19.55 | abrotman | maybe try ##linux if #ubuntu isn't helpful |
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| 02:20.06 | abrotman | i'm surprised your Uni doesn't have documentation on how to do this |
| 02:20.57 | dihi | It does but its terrible... all it says is i need to add that to my printing command.. it doesnt specify how though |
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| 02:21.32 | dihi | it says i need to setup my username as a parameter for the lpr printing command |
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| 02:22.52 | abrotman | maybe try ##linux if #ubuntu isn't helpful |
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| 02:24.54 | xylox | dihi, in the add printer wizard you get an authenticate data input |
| 02:25.17 | dihi | Mmm I cant find that option... |
| 02:26.00 | xylox | first step when adding a new printer |
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| 02:26.51 | dihi | I select new, printer, and then I get a devices tab and i can select other or a list of different thigns under "network printer" |
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| 02:28.36 | xylox | dihi, are you using a printer through smb i suppose |
| 02:28.48 | dihi | nope |
| 02:28.56 | abrotman | xylox: couldn't you help him in #ubuntu ... you're both in there |
| 02:29.16 | dihi | lpr network printer |
| 02:29.27 | dihi | i tried to print some stuff im gonna see if it works |
| 02:30.16 | gnutron | dihi: wild guess, from cli, 'cat file | lp -U username' |
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| 02:30.18 | abrotman | dihi: please go back to #ubuntu .. this channel does not support Ubuntu |
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| 02:31.19 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: you monitor #*buntu too? :-P |
| 02:31.30 | abrotman | no, but i can use an irc client |
| 02:31.33 | abrotman | kind of |
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| 02:31.55 | xeon-enouf | ahh, good ol' whois .. shame irssi sucks at it |
| 02:32.25 | xeon-enouf | and spits it into [status] instead what a normal irc client should do |
| 02:32.37 | abrotman | i think that's an option |
| 02:32.38 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: you do realize that's totally configurable, right? |
| 02:32.52 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: everything is, when you think about it |
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| 02:34.02 | xeon-enouf | ijust have no idea why anyone would want to change windows to see info they desire for a specific channel - it's totally incomprehensible to me - but then, i'm not normal |
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| 02:34.33 | xororand | is it possible to show the repository URL of a package version in aptitude, or with apt-get in general? |
| 02:34.47 | abrotman | xororand: the full URI ? |
| 02:35.03 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: so set use_status_window="no"; clearly the upstream developer prefers it that way as the default. |
| 02:35.06 | xororand | abrotman: the base url from source.list would be sufficient but anything more detailled would be ok too |
| 02:35.07 | xeon-enouf | xororand: not sure i understand - maybe /msg dpkg which repo can help |
| 02:35.12 | xororand | ty |
| 02:35.21 | abrotman | xororand: apt-cache policy foo ? |
| 02:35.58 | xororand | thanks :) |
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| 02:36.07 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks for that - but as you elude to, upstream (for most things) and me often disagree a bit ;-) |
| 02:36.10 | xororand | abrotman: thanks, exactly what i'm looking for |
| 02:36.16 | abrotman | xororand: also .. apt-get --print-uris install foo |
| 02:36.31 | xororand | it'd be neat if that was integrated in aptitude |
| 02:36.37 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: imagine if you were your own upstream .. though you'd probably argue with yourself |
| 02:36.44 | abrotman | xororand: patches welcome! |
| 02:36.44 | anwoke8204 | hi |
| 02:36.47 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: probably |
| 02:36.57 | xororand | hehe |
| 02:37.00 | anwoke8204 | I just installed tomcat, how do I access the web interface for it? |
| 02:37.01 | kc8pxy | i am trying to install alfresco on my debian lenny server. it needs mysql 5.0.67, and i can only find 5.0.51 in repos. how do i best fix this dep? |
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| 02:37.37 | xororand | $someone⢠should do it ;) |
| 02:37.49 | abrotman | anwoke8204: did you check the docs in /usr/share/doc/tomcat* ? .. I haven't done it in awhile, but i'm pretty sure it covers that part |
| 02:37.50 | xeon-enouf | !nominate xororand |
| 02:38.06 | abrotman | judd: versions mysql-server-5.0 |
| 02:38.06 | judd | abrotman: mysql-server-5.0 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch10 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1 squeeze: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1 |
| 02:38.14 | abrotman | judd: versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 02:38.15 | judd | abrotman: mysql-server-5.1 -- sid: 5.1.37-1 |
| 02:38.46 | abrotman | kc8pxy: you'd have to either backport 5.1 yourself, or go from source it would appear |
| 02:40.29 | kc8pxy | abrotman: these are the times i like gentoo most, when i have to "go offroad", outside the repo. |
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| 02:40.55 | abrotman | !tell kc8pxy about ssb |
| 02:41.03 | abrotman | though .. i have no idea how well that backport will work |
| 02:41.41 | anwoke8204 | abrotman, there is no /usr/share/doc/tomcat* directory |
| 02:42.04 | xeon-enouf | kc8pxy: nothing wrong with building from source, so long as you know the possible implications (bugs+security issues) .. but debian has a way to do so - for most things |
| 02:42.05 | abrotman | anwoke8204: it would be the name of the package you installed |
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| 02:42.38 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: dpkg -L <pkgname> | grep doc |
| 02:42.44 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 02:42.51 | xeon-enouf | anwoke8204: i meant you not abrotman |
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| 02:43.34 | kc8pxy | xeon-enouf: i have no problem building from source either. gentoo is a source-based distro, and my preference for personal use. what i dislike most in these situations, is mixing hand-rolled and distro-rolled paackages/binaries. |
| 02:43.50 | smacnay_ | hi - how does one leave full-screen mode in xrdp while a session is running? |
| 02:44.16 | anwoke8204 | what if we didn't install it as a .deb package, we downloaded the tarball and extracted it and installed it that way |
| 02:44.21 | abrotman | smacnay_: the client ? |
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| 02:44.28 | smacnay_ | abrotman: yes |
| 02:44.35 | xeon-enouf | kc8pxy: you have to make a choice between binary only/source only (or a mix) at some point |
| 02:44.49 | anwoke8204 | we compilled it |
| 02:44.51 | abrotman | smacnay_: usually tells you when you go into full screen |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | anwoke8204: why? the packge is in debian ? |
| 02:45.12 | xeon-enouf | kc8pxy: you cannot expect ANY serious security related team to be on top of constantly changing software |
| 02:45.19 | smacnay_ | abrotman: no such luck here... I started in fs mode - maybe that was my mistake. |
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| 02:45.28 | xeon-enouf | kc8pxy: that's IMHO ofcourse |
| 02:45.31 | anwoke8204 | right, but debian only has tomcat5.5, the install howto we followed used tomcat6 |
| 02:45.32 | abrotman | smacnay_: f11? ctrl-esc ? |
| 02:45.45 | smacnay_ | abrotman: will try F11 and see... |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | anwoke8204: shouldn't the howto tell you how to get to the web interface ? |
| 02:46.01 | anwoke8204 | it doesn't |
| 02:46.15 | anwoke8204 | it says how to install it, but not get to the manager/web interface |
| 02:46.23 | kc8pxy | abrotman: me and anwoke8204 are working on diferent parts of the same server. alfresco wants tomcat6. |
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| 02:46.51 | smacnay_ | abrotman: no - I am running a full screen WinXP session and cannot excape back to my linux desktop. |
| 02:46.53 | xeon-enouf | alfresco makes me hungry |
| 02:47.03 | abrotman | smacnay_: you're trapped in windows! |
| 02:47.14 | smacnay_ | abrotman: not the end of the world - I will let the win app finish andthen kill it |
| 02:47.27 | smacnay_ | abrotman: yes - something that hasn't happened in 10 years!! |
| 02:47.29 | xeon-enouf | smacnay_: might you try x11vnc + viewer? or ... not as functional? |
| 02:47.32 | abrotman | smacnay_: FWIW .. there's also rdesktop .. works more like the msrdpcli |
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| 02:48.04 | smacnay_ | abrotman: thanks - not the bluse screen of death but the "full screen of death"! |
| 02:48.39 | abrotman | i thoguht it was rdesktop |
| 02:48.48 | smacnay_ | abrotman: I am running the gnome-rdesktop - let me man it from console here... (duh!!) didn't think of that!! I am getting old! |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | i thought .. which one was it ... |
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| 02:49.34 | xeon-enouf | shakes his cane at smacnay_ and ajavid |
| 02:51.05 | xeon-enouf | knows abrotman is secretly thinking "man, i hope ajavid is sleeping .. or so stoned he can't reply" :-P |
| 02:51.12 | solid_liq | wtf... I installed the latest batch of updates on lenny, rebooted (because I think I saw some kernel updates in there), and now evolution hangs on startup (even the crash recovery dialog hangs) |
| 02:51.29 | ajavid | its not a tumor... |
| 02:51.51 | smacnay_ | abrotman: trapped |
| 02:51.51 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: tried /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 02:51.53 | xeon-enouf | ? |
| 02:51.54 | OSUKid7 | hey, I have a nfs share directory that I can't do simple things like ls or touch in... it works fine in the actual directory, but when I'm in the nfs mounted directory instead, I get Permission denied errors. any ideas? |
| 02:51.59 | abrotman | smacnay_: still trapped ? |
| 02:52.18 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: it's "too-mah" :-P |
| 02:52.29 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, this was a clean lenny install which I put on like 9 months ago or so |
| 02:52.42 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, don't you have nvidia hw? |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | riva tnt2 :) |
| 02:52.53 | xeon-enouf | oh - sorry - i misunderstood |
| 02:52.58 | smacnay_ | abrotman: yes |
| 02:53.01 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: indeed |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | smacnay_: so it works just thte same ? |
| 02:53.06 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, what have yo ugot? |
| 02:53.11 | smacnay_ | abrotman: not a biggie - a learning experience |
| 02:53.18 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: that has been replaced :-) |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | smacnay_: there should be a key combo |
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| 02:53.48 | smacnay_ | abrotman: yes - it works really well. I am sure there is one. Let me fire up lynx and see |
| 02:53.49 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: nv15 and nv34 or something |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | smacnay_: the rdesktop man page says ctrl-alt-enter |
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| 02:54.35 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: did i ever tell you?; you'd make a _great_ closed captioning typist ;-) |
| 02:54.37 | SuperMIguel | i have no sound in debian :( any idea what can i try? |
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| 02:55.18 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, I couldn't think as slow as most people if I tried. |
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| 02:55.29 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: $ lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 02:55.29 | xeon-enouf | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] [10de:0326] (rev a1) |
| 02:55.39 | ajavid | 5500 |
| 02:55.43 | ajavid | goddamn. |
| 02:55.59 | ajavid | I had that in like when I first moved to oklhoma in like 203 |
| 02:56.04 | ajavid | 2003 or something |
| 02:56.05 | xeon-enouf | agp 4x only - 128M ram |
| 02:56.09 | ajavid | i know |
| 02:56.24 | ajavid | what driver are you using? |
| 02:56.28 | xeon-enouf | oklhomer simpson? |
| 02:56.29 | ajavid | which? |
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| 02:56.40 | ajavid | nv or nvidia? |
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| 02:56.54 | xeon-enouf | xorg 'nv' |
| 02:57.02 | smacnay_ | abrotman: thanks - I had tried some other interesting ones found on a web site - none worked - your suggestion did. |
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| 02:57.18 | abrotman | smacnay_: the man page is useful |
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| 02:58.07 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 02:59.24 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, do i type that? |
| 02:59.44 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, i did ran alsaconf and it loaded the drivers |
| 03:00.01 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, then i went to alsa-mixer increased the volume and still |
| 03:00.22 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: in your irc client ., vbut |
| 03:00.29 | xeon-enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 03:00.29 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 03:01.57 | ajavid | man these stuck pixels are crazy! oof |
| 03:02.05 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: which kernel? (uname -r) ; which suite? (/msg dpkg releases) ; lspci -nn | grep multimedia |
| 03:02.07 | ajavid | man I can't wait until my new lcd gets here |
| 03:03.42 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: funny ... your DVI0 is the issue, not your Monitor :-P |
| 03:03.48 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, 2.6.26-2-amd64, lspci -nn | grep multimedia comes blacnk |
| 03:04.02 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, blank* |
| 03:04.31 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: grep Multi |
| 03:04.47 | simonrvn | grep -i multi , sheesh |
| 03:04.47 | xeon-enouf | or use -i |
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| 03:05.08 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, monitor has fucking stuck pixels, all colors, here n there |
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| 03:05.18 | solid_liq | ajavid, what kind did you order? |
| 03:05.20 | ajavid | definitely more than 8 pixels, but ... after 3 years no warranty |
| 03:05.23 | xeon-enouf | simonrvn: tell me - how does the ppc port like that? ;-) |
| 03:05.26 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, grep -i multi still nothin |
| 03:05.26 | ajavid | solid_liq, a good one. |
| 03:05.32 | solid_liq | ajavid, heh, which is? |
| 03:05.36 | simonrvn | unsticks ajavid's screen with a hammer and a large magnet |
| 03:06.17 | rue_house | ok, someone on my system loads every freaking module into the kernel on boot |
| 03:06.20 | simonrvn | xeon-enouf: like what? |
| 03:06.28 | rue_house | /etc/modules used to control that, what does now? |
| 03:06.30 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: you have nothing then :-P --- cat /proc/asound/cards and lspci -nnk please |
| 03:07.14 | xeon-enouf | 02:59 < simonrvn> grep -i multi , sheesh |
| 03:07.18 | xeon-enouf | like that |
| 03:07.33 | simonrvn | what does that have to do with ppc? |
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| 03:07.52 | xeon-enouf | simonrvn: sorry -- ignore me -- i'm delusional ;-) |
| 03:08.02 | SuperMIguel | cat /proc/asound/cards gives me a HDA-Intel at 0xf6ffc000 irq 21 and lspci -nnk shows the HDA Intel as well |
| 03:08.08 | simonrvn | obviously :P |
| 03:08.09 | xeon-enouf | !blame ajavid |
| 03:08.09 | dpkg | blames gourdin and ajavid for the end of the world as we know it |
| 03:08.16 | ajavid | solid_liq, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005125 |
| 03:08.26 | ajavid | 2ms(GTG) HDMI Full HD 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 50000:1 |
| 03:08.32 | rue_house | anyone? what controls modules loaded on boot? |
| 03:08.33 | ajavid | the specs are incredible for a mere $220 |
| 03:08.36 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: not what i asked for |
| 03:08.36 | ajavid | free shipping |
| 03:08.42 | rue_house | I told the kernel no autoloading |
| 03:08.46 | nsadmin | there have been so many "end of the world as we know it"s the past 10 years |
| 03:08.49 | ajavid | in fact... I think I'll another of these |
| 03:09.16 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: /msg dpkg pastebinit (or /msg dpkg pastebin pipe) |
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| 03:10.04 | xeon-enouf | rue_house: what does? many things ; initrd ; /etc/modules |
| 03:10.06 | xeon-enouf | etc |
| 03:10.13 | xeon-enouf | kernel line |
| 03:10.22 | rue_house | as I said, everything in /etc/modules is commented out |
| 03:10.31 | xeon-enouf | so what |
| 03:10.38 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.44 | rue_house | and i cleared the kernel autoload setting during my recompile |
| 03:10.49 | xeon-enouf | "as i said"? ... |
| 03:10.58 | xeon-enouf | autoload? |
| 03:11.01 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, http://pastebin.ca/1549907 |
| 03:11.02 | rue_house | ok, so any modules I dont want loaded I remove from modprobe.d? |
| 03:11.17 | xeon-enouf | !blacklist |
| 03:11.17 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 03:11.21 | rue_house | there is a kernel setting during compile for having it autoload modules, its not turned on |
| 03:11.38 | xeon-enouf | whatare you talking about? |
| 03:11.42 | nsadmin | not sure exactly how it works... |
| 03:11.49 | rue_house | linux has something called a kernel |
| 03:11.56 | rue_house | its a peice of software that runs the operating system |
| 03:11.58 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:12.25 | rue_house | in its source code there is a configuration setting to have it automatically load exteneded feature modules as it sees fit |
| 03:12.36 | xeon-enouf | judd: pciid 8086:284b |
| 03:12.37 | judd | xeon-enouf: [8086:284b] is '82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:284b |
| 03:12.41 | rue_house | I have turned this feature off in the software configuration |
| 03:12.44 | solid_liq | ajavid, hmm, I wonder how its color accuracy is. I have a 22" samsung, and I can't get it calibrated nearly as well as I'd like (for photo printing) |
| 03:13.09 | rue_house | will blacklist only stop the module from loading at boot time or make it so the module cant be loaded at all? |
| 03:13.10 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: lsmod | grep snd-hda-intel (pastebin) |
| 03:13.43 | xeon-enouf | rue_house: only at boot |
| 03:13.45 | jsubl2 | SuperMIguel: i had trouble with sound till i blacklisted snd_pcsp |
| 03:13.47 | rue_house | I have no initrd, I have lilo boot my kernel directly |
| 03:14.15 | rue_house | so if I make a modconf.disabled dir in /etc and move stuff there |
| 03:14.26 | rue_house | I'm surprised they didn't do that like init.d |
| 03:14.34 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, empty |
| 03:14.41 | xeon-enouf | that's your choice rue_house - however , we cannot know what/how you miscompiled your custom kernel |
| 03:14.52 | rue_house | nothing |
| 03:15.00 | rue_house | my kernel is perfect :) |
| 03:15.26 | xeon-enouf | rue_house: debian rules about module loading don't necessarily apply |
| 03:15.46 | rue_house | its just a custom kernel, jeesh |
| 03:16.05 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: have you gone through all of alsa checklist? |
| 03:16.18 | rue_house | when I do lsmod, there are only modules for stuff there needs to be modules for, its not a list of 150 modules for everything |
| 03:16.37 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: er modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 03:16.37 | rue_house | xeon-enouf, there is an alsa checklist? |
| 03:16.54 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, not sure what this is: OSS modules unloaded |
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| 03:17.14 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: heh |
| 03:17.31 | solid_liq | ajavid, "Cons: HDTV/LCD MONITOR Calibration DVD is showing how bad these monitor blacks/contrast are. Impossible to get it close with adjustment controls provided. 160/170 viewing angles are just good wish. PQ is decreasing dramatically due to back light bleeding reddish badly all around screen with high concentration on R/S (on my monitor), increasing proportionally to viewing angle. Stand provides no stability and proves bad overall engineering |
| 03:17.32 | solid_liq | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.33 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 03:17.39 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: select ALSA |
| 03:17.53 | rue_house | it cant be modprobe.d, none of this stuff loads the sound drivers, which are always loaded in the wrong order |
| 03:18.00 | ajavid | solid_liq, $220 is chump change |
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| 03:18.08 | ajavid | if it comes out of abox broken i'll order another one |
| 03:18.13 | ajavid | whatever |
| 03:18.34 | xeon-enouf | !tell rue_house -about alsa checklist |
| 03:18.42 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, did that |
| 03:18.51 | rue_house | sweet, thanks |
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| 03:19.03 | rue_house | now, what the heck is loading these modules... |
| 03:19.14 | ajavid | can anyone get sound in songbird on stable? |
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| 03:19.18 | ajavid | amd64 |
| 03:19.22 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, still no sound :( |
| 03:19.30 | nsadmin | what's a songbird? |
| 03:19.43 | mnzt42yd | apple i tunes clone lol |
| 03:19.51 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: cat /proc/asound/cards sti;ll says the same? |
| 03:20.05 | ajavid | !songbird |
| 03:20.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, songbird is a desktop web player, digital jukebox and web browser. Not in Debian, see http://bugs.debian.org/412437 for the <ITP>. |
| 03:20.13 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: might try a BPO kernel (.30) |
| 03:20.13 | nsadmin | does it speak itunes to the servers? |
| 03:20.23 | ajavid | no |
| 03:20.27 | ajavid | its not anything like that |
| 03:20.28 | xeon-enouf | is hungry |
| 03:20.31 | ajavid | next time use google. |
| 03:20.31 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, yup same thing |
| 03:20.41 | xeon-enouf | has to eat |
| 03:20.48 | solid_liq | ajavid, yeah, but I'm trying to find a not $2,000 monitor with accurate color :/ |
| 03:20.51 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: not sure then ,,, sorry |
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| 03:21.08 | ajavid | solid_liq, I'm not going to spend a few grand on monitors just yet |
| 03:21.11 | nsadmin | non-nanao? |
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| 03:21.28 | ajavid | I'm still doing my research, but in about a years time I wish to upgrade to a large format display |
| 03:21.28 | solid_liq | ajavid, exactly |
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| 03:21.43 | solid_liq | ajavid, otherwise I'd just get that 30" apple cinema display |
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| 03:21.55 | ajavid | we're not related to debian rignt now |
| 03:21.57 | ajavid | get back on topic |
| 03:22.09 | nsadmin | there's too many cops here |
| 03:22.20 | nsadmin | do you really like being a cop? |
| 03:22.20 | ajavid | nsadmin, you too! |
| 03:22.28 | ajavid | swings about his nightstick |
| 03:22.32 | ajavid | nsadmin, you wanna find out? |
| 03:22.38 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: pgrep udevd shows a $PID? also ... if using GNOME or KDE go into it's Control Panel/Center |
| 03:22.52 | nsadmin | sure. |
| 03:23.30 | nsadmin | the thing is I'm careful to not assert authority |
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| 03:23.42 | ajavid | I have none |
| 03:23.47 | ajavid | I assert what I want when I want |
| 03:23.54 | ajavid | either you can get back on topic, or you can't |
| 03:24.06 | ajavid | I told you, now you do whatever the fuck you feel is best. |
| 03:24.15 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, using fluxbox :( |
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| 03:25.30 | kc8pxy | what is my JAVA_HOME supposed to be? |
| 03:25.52 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: that's fine, but a WM - did you previously havea DE? |
| 03:25.52 | nsadmin | "<ajavid> I assert what I want when I want" good enough... so don't complain when someone calls you on your bullshit :P |
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| 03:26.28 | ajavid | nsadmin, calls me on my bulshit? |
| 03:26.30 | ajavid | dude |
| 03:26.37 | ajavid | stfu already, will ya? |
| 03:26.43 | rue_house | according to syslog, the kernel is loading the modules |
| 03:26.45 | ajavid | go fucking whine in #debian-offtopic |
| 03:26.47 | ajavid | ffs. |
| 03:27.03 | xeon-enouf | rue_house: yah, it's qall the kernel |
| 03:27.12 | rue_house | well its been told not to do that |
| 03:27.15 | xeon-enouf | rue_house: er yeah, it's all the kernel's fault |
| 03:27.27 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, umm i install gamix and now i have sound :S |
| 03:27.28 | nsadmin | I'm guessing you're having a feeling when you say that |
| 03:27.37 | xeon-enouf | Col Sanders in fact |
| 03:27.41 | ajavid | I'm guessing you don't know when to stfu. |
| 03:27.54 | ajavid | have a good one. |
| 03:28.02 | nsadmin | ajavid: evidently likewise |
| 03:28.03 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, this is when i say WTF, and bang my head with a wall |
| 03:28.08 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: stop please - step off - or ig ;0 |
| 03:28.19 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, plonked |
| 03:28.21 | mwarning | Hi, I try to install debian from an usb stick. zcat boo.img.gz > /dev/sdb && cp debian-502a-amd64-businesscard.iso /media/usb; but when I boot from usb and select install I get "process:2181): INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode (UTF-8)" |
| 03:28.23 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: wonderful - no idea what gamix is |
| 03:28.47 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, a sound volume controller like alsamixer |
| 03:28.49 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: you won't like the bozobox, trust me ;-) |
| 03:28.53 | mwarning | and then nothing happens, everything is blocked. |
| 03:29.02 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, does it look like I give a fuck? |
| 03:29.12 | ajavid | don't fuck with me man. just talk debian, and fuck it all. |
| 03:29.17 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: give me a kiss hon :-P |
| 03:29.26 | ajavid | *MWAH* now stfu. |
| 03:29.58 | hakr | crazy fux |
| 03:30.01 | ajavid | mwarning, hang on |
| 03:30.04 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: shame |
| 03:30.09 | mwarning | k |
| 03:30.33 | ajavid | mwarning, weird |
| 03:30.42 | ajavid | mwarning, have you tried to google this error message? |
| 03:30.59 | mwarning | ajavid, yes, and some people have the same problem. |
| 03:30.59 | nsadmin | mwarning: what's mounted on /media/usb (as indicated by output of mount)? |
| 03:31.00 | ajavid | or not error but hmm.. strange that it doesn't do anything after that |
| 03:31.05 | mwarning | but no solutions. |
| 03:31.07 | ajavid | mwarning, oh |
| 03:31.10 | ajavid | no way |
| 03:31.16 | ajavid | you can't use businesscard for usb install I think |
| 03:31.22 | ajavid | you have to use minimum of netinst I believe |
| 03:31.27 | ajavid | or a cd1 iso |
| 03:31.31 | mwarning | the i386 images worked. |
| 03:31.38 | SuperMIguel | any idea where debian puts this file? modprobe.d/local.conf |
| 03:31.47 | xeon-enouf | youneed hd-media atleast if IINM |
| 03:31.57 | ajavid | mwarning, read the install guide for x86_64 |
| 03:32.00 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: /etc/ |
| 03:32.12 | ajavid | amdy64 install giude is not the same as i386 |
| 03:32.22 | mwarning | nsadmin, just the usb stick. the iso file gets loaded onto the stick |
| 03:32.35 | mwarning | ajavid, sec |
| 03:32.49 | xeon-enouf | mwarning: businesscard.iso has ntot much to load |
| 03:32.53 | nsadmin | so the iso is a file on the stick's filesystem |
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| 03:33.07 | mwarning | nsadmin, yes |
| 03:33.23 | nsadmin | is that the arrangement the docs say to use? |
| 03:33.29 | mwarning | yes |
| 03:33.39 | mwarning | at least several howto's on the net. |
| 03:33.47 | mwarning | (but they use i386) |
| 03:34.00 | mwarning | I would expect the same to work for amd64 |
| 03:34.14 | nsadmin | ok, is there any indication that any file inside the iso is being accessed (which would mean that part is working) |
| 03:34.53 | nsadmin | s/the iso/the copy of the iso in the filesystem on the stick/ |
| 03:35.14 | xeon-enouf | BOOT_DEBUG=N where N is a number, or maybe alt-f4 has mesages |
| 03:35.17 | SuperMIguel | xeon-enouf, sounds sounds like it has an echo :( any idea? |
| 03:35.44 | xeon-enouf | SuperMIguel: configure using alsamixer now? |
| 03:35.45 | nsadmin | sounds sounds echo echo? |
| 03:36.19 | mwarning | nsadmin, hard to say. I don |
| 03:36.23 | mwarning | I don't know. |
| 03:37.10 | mwarning | ajavid, the amd64 docs say that buisnesscard is ok. |
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| 03:38.34 | mwarning | I do it in the same way the docs say. (using the boot.img.gz) |
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| 03:38.57 | nsadmin | mwarning the original message doesn't seem like an error to me; it's just telling you it |
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| 03:39.07 | nsadmin | is switching to a different charset/locale |
| 03:39.45 | mwarning | nsadmin, yes, but the system is complete unresponsive afterwards. There is no further usb stick access (telling from the led). |
| 03:40.03 | mwarning | I already tried another usb stick. |
| 03:40.23 | nsadmin | ok, that tends to rule out quite a bit of stuff |
| 03:41.05 | rue_house | ah wait, if I rename these modules, I'll pretty quicly find out whos trying to load them |
| 03:41.33 | mwarning | maybe I need a correct boot.img.gz / iso combination? maybe someone has two links for those? |
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| 03:42.18 | nsadmin | mwarning: zcat boot.img.gz | wc |
| 03:42.37 | nsadmin | just out of curiousity |
| 03:42.41 | mwarning | sec |
| 03:42.53 | mwarning | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.17 | nsadmin | 250 megabytes?? |
| 03:43.28 | mwarning | yes |
| 03:43.42 | mwarning | enough for the netinstall iso |
| 03:44.03 | nsadmin | so the boot.img.gz includes a filesystem I guess |
| 03:44.12 | mwarning | nsadmin, yes it does |
| 03:44.17 | mwarning | fat |
| 03:44.22 | SuperMIguel | how do i manager Bluethooth in debian? |
| 03:44.50 | xeon-enouf | it's likely a MBR |
| 03:44.57 | mwarning | nsadmin, it's 22MB compressed |
| 03:45.05 | xeon-enouf | eww |
| 03:45.44 | xeon-enouf | !listvals hd-media |
| 03:45.45 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'hd-media' by value (1): hd-media. |
| 03:45.54 | xeon-enouf | !hd-media |
| 03:45.54 | dpkg | To install debian without any removable media read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en You can get the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ (note these are for etch on i386) |
| 03:46.18 | xeon-enouf | eww |
| 03:46.51 | nsadmin | well releases/stable is going to point elsewhere nowadays |
| 03:46.58 | Rusty1 | SuperMIguel: http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 03:47.20 | xeon-enouf | then that "note" shoulkd be removed |
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| 03:49.56 | brian17 | Hi- how do I upgrade from etch to lenny - I typed aptitude dist-upgrade ... but it seems I am still on the same version |
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| 03:50.34 | xeon-enouf | brian17: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 03:50.51 | xeon-enouf | (in you IRC client) |
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| 03:51.10 | xeon-enouf | your* |
| 03:52.14 | mwarning | I 've found another boot.img.gz that I'm going to try. |
| 03:52.54 | nsadmin | how do you make a boot.img.gz? |
| 03:54.48 | xeon-enouf | file boot.img.gz should give you a clue ;-) or - see syslinux.zytor.com |
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| 03:55.57 | nsadmin | "you compress the file boot.img" duh :P ok, maybe I didn't state what I want properly... |
| 03:56.05 | mwarning | ok, the kernel seems to boot. But after selecting some locale settings I get an error message that no kernel module were found. |
| 03:56.18 | mwarning | ..no kernel modules. |
| 03:56.36 | mwarning | well, the boot.img.gz was smaller. |
| 03:56.52 | nsadmin | and it was placed in the same spot? |
| 03:57.05 | mwarning | same spot? |
| 03:57.20 | mwarning | I used google and found it on some other server. |
| 03:57.35 | mwarning | some debian repro in nl iirc. |
| 03:58.02 | mwarning | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 03:58.12 | nsadmin | does alt-F4 (or FsomeotherN) show log messages? |
| 03:58.50 | nsadmin | maybe it's too early in the boot for it to make the vcs |
| 03:58.56 | mwarning | nsadmin, I haven't tried. |
| 03:59.01 | xeon-enouf | should be alt-f4 |
| 04:00.08 | mwarning | I have tried last week already with the same error and use i686 instead atm. |
| 04:00.26 | mwarning | the i686 iso worked fine. |
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| 04:01.47 | mwarning | what was the debian ftp server address again? |
| 04:01.48 | nsadmin | hmm |
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| 04:01.58 | rue_house | ok this is interesting, |
| 04:02.07 | markybob | mwarning, really? seriously? |
| 04:02.15 | mwarning | nvm |
| 04:02.35 | markybob | because ftp.debian.org is *so* hard to guess |
| 04:02.49 | rue_house | apparently I have modutils AND module-init-tools installed on my system |
| 04:02.50 | mwarning | I must have typed it wrong |
| 04:03.14 | rue_house | so as I understand, with 2.6 I can get rid of modutils... |
| 04:03.22 | nsadmin | 's opinion is since the ftp masters don't like that server pulled from on a mass basis, they should rename it |
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| 04:04.46 | markybob | nsadmin, ...it's a dns round robin... |
| 04:05.08 | nsadmin | it is? so they already did that |
| 04:05.17 | xeon-enouf | ftp.<cc>.debian.org wpould be more apropos |
| 04:05.52 | mwarning | new boot.img.gz, new try.. |
| 04:05.53 | xeon-enouf | http:// prefixed even, IIRC |
| 04:06.05 | rue_house | so can i get rid of /etc/modutils? |
| 04:06.29 | nsadmin | rue_house well no, since it belongs to a debian package |
| 04:06.48 | rue_house | are you kidding? debian packages leave junk behidn all the time |
| 04:06.55 | rue_house | if I dont have modutils anymore... |
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| 04:07.09 | rue_house | is it being used by module-init-tools? |
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| 04:07.18 | zinx | rue_house: you can purge config files that belong to a package |
| 04:07.23 | nsadmin | well obviously you can do anything you want... it's your machine |
| 04:07.29 | rue_house | do tell |
| 04:07.40 | markybob | rue_house, yes, you can remove it |
| 04:07.47 | zinx | nsadmin: uhm, i'm saying dpkg/apt have that ability built-in |
| 04:08.32 | nsadmin | oh, you removed the package but didn't purge it? |
| 04:08.35 | xeon-enouf | rue_house: remove it - and recompile :-P |
| 04:08.55 | xeon-enouf | ~$ dlc module-init-tools | wc -l |
| 04:08.55 | xeon-enouf | 47 |
| 04:08.55 | rue_house | I'm not runngin a 2.4 kernel |
| 04:09.37 | xeon-enouf | your kernel sucks ass rue_house |
| 04:09.49 | rue_house | how many modules you have in your kernel now? |
| 04:09.56 | rue_house | 40? 50? 100? |
| 04:10.19 | xeon-enouf | !42 |
| 04:10.19 | dpkg | 42 is probably the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 04:10.19 | nsadmin | probably has lots n lots |
| 04:10.19 | Multiply | :( |
| 04:10.24 | rue_house | I have 19, and most of them were needlessly loaded |
| 04:10.48 | rue_house | support for things that aren't gonna change (parts of my motherboard etc) are compiled in |
| 04:10.56 | xeon-enouf | yes, windows is better - please see the cashier on the way out |
| 04:10.56 | rue_house | anyhow |
| 04:11.17 | rue_house | you dont know anything about kernel modules, so I'm moving on to #linuxhelp |
| 04:12.04 | nsadmin | that's up to you... but you likely won't have much of a debian system if you do too much surgery |
| 04:13.41 | rue_house | its just the freaking kernel |
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| 04:13.58 | rue_house | and according to the docs, modutils should only be on your system if you run a 2.4 kernel |
| 04:14.05 | rue_house | you still running a 2.4 kenel? |
| 04:14.13 | nsadmin | nope |
| 04:14.32 | rue_house | so you must be running a 2.2, you shoudl update it dude |
| 04:14.54 | nsadmin | I'm happy to tell you... |
| 04:15.00 | rue_house | I'm sure debian stable is at LEAST up to 2.4 |
| 04:15.02 | zinx | rue_house: are you still on about this? just dpkg --purge modutils |
| 04:15.02 | rue_house | :/ |
| 04:15.10 | rue_house | k... |
| 04:15.11 | nsadmin | my uname -r is 2.6.18-custom-k7-smp and |
| 04:15.23 | nsadmin | I do have /etc/modutils/ |
| 04:15.27 | rue_house | Linux zippo 2.6.16.45 #2 Mon Aug 31 15:23:24 PDT 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:15.49 | rue_house | so you dont have module-init-tools |
| 04:16.07 | nsadmin | I think I do, one sec |
| 04:16.28 | rue_house | nothing shrinkwrapped should be allowed to have the word 'custom' on it |
| 04:16.30 | nsadmin | Package: module-init-tools |
| 04:16.30 | nsadmin | Status: install ok installed |
| 04:16.55 | rue_house | if you update it you will find it conflicts with modutils, so apt will remove it |
| 04:16.58 | nsadmin | this is not shrinkwrapped by any means... |
| 04:17.09 | nsadmin | obviously that kernel was my compile |
| 04:17.27 | nsadmin | oh man... this chicken is good good |
| 04:17.28 | rue_house | removes his teeth from nsadmin's leg |
| 04:17.34 | rue_house | ... |
| 04:18.16 | xeon-enouf | passes nsadmin the denture adhesive |
| 04:18.26 | rue_house | this system is like 10 years old, its got some cruft kicking around in the corners |
| 04:18.27 | nsadmin | I bought some raw chicken breasts that were marinated in something and my neighbor grilled em! |
| 04:18.47 | rue_house | I like to purge it every so often |
| 04:18.54 | nsadmin | rue_house: I don't think this sys is 10 yet, but there's cruft |
| 04:19.13 | rue_house | but the system deciding to load the bt878 module is gonna drive me nuts |
| 04:19.29 | rue_house | and its loading the sound cards in the wrong order |
| 04:19.54 | nsadmin | you should be able to set the index= parameter of the alsa driver modules |
| 04:20.01 | rue_house | where |
| 04:20.13 | rue_house | oh wait, I'm using oss |
| 04:20.15 | nsadmin | forgot where I did it |
| 04:20.18 | rue_house | for now |
| 04:20.25 | nsadmin | you are?! howcome? |
| 04:20.35 | nsadmin | is -really- curious now |
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| 04:20.54 | rue_house | cause at the time alsa came up, there was no support for my cards |
| 04:21.09 | rue_house | If I upgrade my kenel again, I'll have to use alsa |
| 04:21.10 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 04:21.30 | rue_house | this system is right on the bridge, I can make both as modules and have time to swing apps over |
| 04:22.41 | nsadmin | probably you have all your sound apps set to use oss api... as you may know, alsa has oss compatibility |
| 04:23.04 | rue_house | the compatibility thing brought my system to a crawl |
| 04:23.35 | rue_house | I also have use-spefic cards on my system, hooked up to different sound systems used for different things |
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| 04:23.52 | nsadmin | the other thing is there are a few sound programers who don't like alsa, and I'm not totally sure why |
| 04:23.56 | nsadmin | for example |
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| 04:24.10 | rue_house | yea I know |
| 04:24.19 | rue_house | oss4 is not in the kernel anymore |
| 04:24.20 | CrimsonKing | can zsh aliases have a space in it? like.. i want to alias "apt-get remove" to sth other.. |
| 04:24.26 | rue_house | they went userspace or something |
| 04:24.27 | angel | I have 3 wireless Access points in my network which are connected to a router(DHCP enabled) and the DHCP setting in each access point is disabled and they are serving an IP range, but sometimes one of the access points conflict the IP , why this happen? |
| 04:24.55 | nsadmin | the guy who's doing the rme hdsp stuff is refusing to do alsa |
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| 04:25.32 | jmarsden | CrimsonKing: I don't think so. Make apt-get a shell function that checks for remove as the 1st parameter, and then eitehr does your special thing or else calls the real apt-get command, and you should get the effect you desire, I think. |
| 04:25.53 | CrimsonKing | jmarsden: ok ty. |
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| 04:26.12 | rue_house | I have to shutdown x to get my volume control to get its foot off a useless sound device that is standing on the dsp device I need ... |
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| 04:27.20 | nsadmin | mmmm chicken! |
| 04:27.29 | nsadmin | oops, forgot his beer |
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| 04:31.22 | edgardoweb | hi |
| 04:31.32 | rue_house | ok, everyone is staightened out for now |
| 04:31.43 | edgardoweb | help me |
| 04:31.47 | rue_house | whats interesting is that when I renamed the offending modules, nobody complained |
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| 04:33.22 | xeon-enouf | nobody cared |
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| 04:33.38 | rue_house | no fair, I didn't hear the problem |
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| 04:38.21 | xeon-enouf | CrimsonKing: do you mean something like alias agm='apt-get remove $0' or something? |
| 04:38.32 | xeon-enouf | er agr :-P |
| 04:38.39 | nsadmin | edgardoweb wut? |
| 04:38.58 | edgardoweb | nsadmin, hi how are you? |
| 04:39.17 | nsadmin | good. what is your question |
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| 04:39.35 | nsadmin | knows he's in for something now :P |
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| 04:40.30 | nsadmin | edgardoweb befofre you said help me without saying anything about what you want help wityh |
| 04:40.33 | edgardoweb | how install one bcd 3000 |
| 04:41.07 | nsadmin | is that hardware or software? |
| 04:41.29 | edgardoweb | is software nsadmin |
| 04:42.05 | edgardoweb | nsadmin, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqwWQfRKhuM |
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| 04:43.01 | nsadmin | this: http://musical-instruments.pricegrabber.com/mixers/Behringer-BCD3000-Control-DJ/m32364727.html |
| 04:43.04 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 04:44.03 | edgardoweb | nsadmin, yeah |
| 04:44.17 | edgardoweb | install for debian or ubuntu software |
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| 04:44.50 | nsadmin | first you need to see if there is a driver for it |
| 04:45.10 | nsadmin | btw... that;s hardware :) |
| 04:45.31 | nsadmin | that thing with the knobs sliders and display... |
| 04:45.34 | nsadmin | hardware :) |
| 04:46.35 | nsadmin | google for BCD3000 linux |
| 04:47.43 | edgardoweb | good |
| 04:48.16 | nevyn | edelweiss: it's supported as a control surface for ardour |
| 04:48.24 | nevyn | bleh |
| 04:49.56 | simonrvn | i hate that too |
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| 05:02.40 | mwarning | nsadmin, hi again. it works now with the boot.img.gz from the debian server. The installation runtime failed to find the iso first, but after hitting retry it was successful. |
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| 05:05.42 | ilembitov | Hi! Can somebody help me? i have a key broken on my keyboard, i need to reassign this key to another one. Permanently, so i would have this key in GNOME, gdm and console |
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| 05:09.34 | TwoTwenty | how can I point dnsmasq to a alternate tftp server |
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| 05:10.01 | ilembitov | Anybody? |
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| 05:10.53 | nsadmin | I guess you have to deal with console key mapping and separately with x key mapping |
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| 05:16.40 | irishman | пÑивеÑ! |
| 05:17.00 | jmarsden | ilembitov: See http://www.robdc.com/node/10 for how one person did it for X |
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| 05:17.36 | irishman | пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ ! |
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| 05:18.42 | empiric1 | guys if i want to update all my installed packages on debain i should run apt-get update is that ok |
| 05:19.06 | irishman | hi ! |
| 05:19.18 | ananthgs | Hi All. I want to convert my external hard drive present in fat32 format to ntfs format. Is there any tool in Debian to do the same? I dont want to format my disk. If I can get a tool like convert.exe of MS - then it will be very useful. |
| 05:19.31 | ananthgs | Please help me with your suggestions |
| 05:19.33 | rhavenn | empiric1: apt-get update just updates the packages available |
| 05:19.36 | irishman | This is a English channel ? |
| 05:19.53 | empiric1 | and if i want to update all install packages then |
| 05:19.55 | cahoot | certainly not irish ;) |
| 05:19.56 | rhavenn | irishman: last time i checked |
| 05:20.14 | rhavenn | empiric1: well, i would check the manpage for apt-get, but you will probably want to do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:20.52 | empiric1 | if i do apt-get install * |
| 05:21.15 | rhavenn | empiric1: egh, you're better off with the dist-upgrade |
| 05:21.27 | empiric1 | ok |
| 05:21.38 | rhavenn | empiric1: egh, i haven't tried that, but if anything that will install ALL available packages |
| 05:21.55 | valdyn | if anything that will install all packages named like the files in $PWD |
| 05:22.12 | valdyn | so its a nonsense command |
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| 05:22.23 | rhavenn | empiric1: apt-get update updates available packages; apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade will actually do the upgrades of installed packages |
| 05:22.55 | empiric1 | ok |
| 05:22.58 | empiric1 | thanks |
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| 05:25.33 | peterrooney | is there a program in debian to tell which branch a package came from (lenny, etch), without writing a perl script to parse the output of apt-cache policy <pkg> or (worse yet) having to read the output for each package?? |
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| 05:36.59 | TwoTwenty | is it possible to get dnsmasq to point to next server for tftp |
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| 05:40.55 | subsume | how do I get a sid package? What's the repo ? |
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| 05:44.15 | jmarsden | subsume: The exact same place you get lenny and squeeze packages. Entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list determine which distribution your system will use. Also man apt_preferences if you need to learn about pinning. |
| 05:44.37 | simonrvn | you assume it's a separate repo... |
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| 06:11.17 | creichen | Hi! I'm trying to install 32 bit libraries that are not available as `lib32' libraries on my amd64 sid. (Those libraries are however available for regular i386.) How can I do that? |
| 06:12.25 | macrobat | maybe with the ia32-apt-get pkg? |
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| 06:12.40 | macrobat | i dont know how safe that is |
| 06:13.20 | creichen | macrobat: Interesting, I hadn't noticed that. Let me give that a try... |
| 06:13.23 | macrobat | otherwise some chroot setup |
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| 06:13.52 | ezzy | I have noticed it hard to install nvidia drivers because of this |
| 06:14.01 | debian_d | no pidgin system tray |
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| 06:14.52 | debian_d | ezzy: why is it hard to install nvidia drivers? |
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| 06:15.45 | ezzy | debian_d: because it wants to install the 32bit libraries in /emul/lib32 or w/e and debian is moving all that crap to /usr/lib32 |
| 06:15.47 | _64_or_32 | hello everyone |
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| 06:16.09 | macrobat | i have pidgin in the system tray in sid (notification area in xfce4) |
| 06:16.19 | macrobat | i say 64 :) |
| 06:16.47 | debian_d | ezzy: wja |
| 06:16.47 | creichen | Hmm. ia32-apt-get doesn't seem to be available anymore in latest sid, I only have some old config stuff from them lying around, apparently (which is why I saw it in the first place.) |
| 06:16.56 | debian_d | ezzy: what's emul? |
| 06:17.08 | CrimsonKing | emule? |
| 06:17.09 | CrimsonKing | ;o) |
| 06:17.17 | _64_or_32 | just to be sure, I`m on a Centrino 2 Duo 2.0 GHz, should I install the ia64? |
| 06:17.34 | liable | no |
| 06:17.41 | liable | amd64 |
| 06:18.03 | creichen | ia64 is for Itanic only. |
| 06:18.12 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.51 | creichen | macrobat: thanks for checking! Maybe it was deprecated in favour of something, but I'm having trouble finding information on it. |
| 06:18.52 | ezzy | debian_d: /emul/ia32-linux is a deprecated 32 bit library |
| 06:19.23 | _64_or_32 | yeah, liable. you`re right, my bad. thank you |
| 06:19.23 | ezzy | debian_d: but is still in use in lenny and older but not in squeeze and sid believe |
| 06:19.40 | ezzy | I believe* |
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| 06:20.02 | liable | no problem |
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| 06:21.41 | ezzy | debian_d: On amd64 and ia64 32bit libraries have been placed in |
| 06:22.04 | ezzy | heh |
| 06:24.28 | creichen | macrobat: after reading some random forum posts, it seems that ia32-apt-get is not currently available (and rather risky). Since I only needed it to install the amazon mp3 album buying application, I think I'll just wait a bit until this has been sorted out. |
| 06:24.50 | creichen | Or jut use an ia32 machine at work tomorrow. |
| 06:24.55 | creichen | Thanks for your help, though! :-) |
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| 06:50.19 | nsadmin | how do you get the recommends and suggests for a package -- postgresql-8.3 in its capacity as backport to etch, in this case |
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| 06:50.53 | fireba11 | nsadmin: you are aware that etch is oldstable? |
| 06:51.18 | nsadmin | yes I am. I'm not prepared to upgrade until I complete a different sort of upgrade. |
| 06:52.44 | nsadmin | and going from pg 8.2 -> 8.3 is pretty much the last leg of that upgrade |
| 06:53.34 | fireba11 | well vom 8.2 to 8.3 you should not encounter any problems i guess |
| 06:53.50 | nsadmin | yes, I understand that... |
| 06:54.27 | nsadmin | I just want to understand how libpq and its -dev fit into the structure (and whether it's been split out of pg source) |
| 06:54.30 | fireba11 | i still got a box running sarge here .. ^^ |
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| 06:55.13 | StrangePaint | Hello, I am new to debian where do I go to find all the commands |
| 06:55.21 | StrangePaint | and how to stuff |
| 06:55.27 | StrangePaint | I'm fine buying a book |
| 06:55.32 | fireba11 | i probably will set up the services on a new hardware with lenny and then move over .. |
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| 06:55.46 | fireba11 | StrangePaint: new to debian or new to linux? |
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| 06:56.15 | nsadmin | in the past (pg-8.2.4 is the last one I know of that did this) libpq and its dev part were built from postgresql source |
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| 06:57.13 | nsadmin | so I want to know first off is that still true. if so, how do you get the build system to make those packages... if not, what's the present situation? |
| 06:57.26 | fireba11 | nsadmin: you got a custom-build postgres? |
| 06:57.34 | nsadmin | no, not custom |
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| 06:57.59 | nsadmin | but backported (I did the backporting myself since bin packages were not available) |
| 06:58.28 | fireba11 | ah okay. i thought you were going with a regular backports.org package |
| 06:58.32 | nsadmin | that version of pg is a point on the graph of a more involved upgrade process, and I'm getting ready to jump out from that point |
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| 06:58.57 | nsadmin | well I'm considering both, but I need that info about libpq before I proceed |
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| 06:59.39 | maxagaz_ | how to "ping" at once all machine in the network 20.200.1.x, in order to get their ip and dns ? |
| 07:00.08 | ajavid | ebianday |
| 07:00.27 | nsadmin | I actually found pg-8.3 packages backported to etch, but I want to find how they're related before deciding and going further |
| 07:00.43 | ajavid | maxagaz_, use a network scanner like nmap |
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| 07:01.24 | nsadmin | you coudl also try pinging the bc address |
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| 07:07.32 | StrangePaint | Hello, how do I find a manual that will tell me how to use and all about debian? |
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| 07:09.40 | liable | !reference |
| 07:09.41 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at http://qref.sf.net/ , also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 07:09.48 | liable | ^^ thats a good start |
| 07:09.58 | Guerin | !debian system |
| 07:09.58 | dpkg | "The Debian System" is a book written by Debian Developer Martin F Krafft aka madduck. It's an excellent resource for learning about how Un*x and in particular Debian systems run and how to look after them. Also ask me about <grounding>. http://debiansystem.info/ |
| 07:10.15 | Guerin | that's more than most of us know about it |
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| 07:15.22 | mhymn | though it seems debiansystem.info is down |
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| 07:18.49 | fireba11 | mhymn: working here |
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| 07:28.32 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 07:28.32 | dpkg | <Brian_L> cd #debian-64 |
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| 07:29.41 | groton | hello, the hotels offers a free wpa connection, and it is giving a password of 26 (i.e. 13 chars) HEX digits. How to setup the interfaces wlan0 of my debian box to use it? |
| 07:30.10 | greenmang0 | is there any kde application for web cam?? |
| 07:30.18 | greenmang0 | kde 3.5 on lenny |
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| 07:31.52 | cydork | !tell gourdin -about wpa |
| 07:31.53 | streuner | !+tell greenmang0 -about search |
| 07:31.54 | dpkg | told greenmang0 about search. |
| 07:32.03 | cydork | damn.. |
| 07:32.11 | cydork | !tell groton -about wpa |
| 07:32.22 | cydork | sorry gourdin |
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| 07:33.13 | greenmang0 | streuner: didn't find any so i am asking :) |
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| 07:34.44 | greenmang0 | streuner: i don't like gnome apps on KDE |
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| 07:36.36 | pif | hi, is xfons-base no longer required by gnome ? |
| 07:36.40 | pif | xfonts |
| 07:36.42 | crazy6 | I'm running a minimal vmware image of debian to get just console-only linux (since cygwin is very slow), but it doesn't seem to have multiple terminals (F1-F6) ... is there a way to enable that? |
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| 07:38.26 | mhymn | greenmang0: try #debian-kde or #kde then |
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| 07:39.37 | mhymn | crazy6: there should be afaik, perhaps the key combinations to do are different |
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| 07:40.49 | monzo | @crazy6: have you tried screen? |
| 07:40.52 | crazy6 | mhymn: where are those set? |
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| 07:41.16 | crazy6 | monzo: I'm familiar with screen, and I'll use it if I can't figure anything else out, but having 6 of them on F1-F6 would be more convenient, I think |
| 07:41.24 | crazy6 | unless I don't know all the 'screen' ninja tricks |
| 07:41.26 | monzo | true |
| 07:41.45 | crazy6 | I used to use it all the time to remote log in, start a job, leave it running, and log out |
| 07:41.52 | monzo | hehehe, there are a lot of those too |
| 07:42.57 | PassingStranger | wonders what happened to dtach or nohup... |
| 07:42.58 | jmarsden | crazy6: Do you have an /etc/inittab with six lines containing getty to spawn the sessions? |
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| 07:43.58 | jmarsden | And does ps axu | grep getty list the relevant processes? |
| 07:44.06 | ajavid | hello morning peopl |
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| 07:45.28 | crazy6 | jmarsden: I do |
| 07:46.15 | jmarsden | OK, so then it really seems like it is the VT switching keystrokes that are the issue. Just checking you didn't have such a minimal image it only spawned one tty |
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| 07:48.03 | crazy6 | where are the keystrokes determined? It is inside VMware player, so some unseen key-filtering might be going on |
| 07:48.07 | lxsameer | how can i become a debian maintainer ? i read the site docs but not completely understand , can any one explain me easily ? |
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| 07:48.32 | mhymn | !nmg |
| 07:48.32 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. |
| 07:49.30 | nsadmin | lxsameer: depends on what you want to do for debian... also note that you only need to become a maint to actually affect the archive, but you can help in thousands of areas without |
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| 07:50.16 | groton | cydork, i use the NetworkManager though |
| 07:50.31 | jmarsden | crazy6: I'm not sure how the VTY changing stuff is implemented, but yes, it could be the virtualization stuff is getting in the way. Sounds like for you you should just use screen instead. |
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| 07:50.41 | nsadmin | lxsameer: if you want to make packages, you need to understand the different shells like the back of your hand |
| 07:51.18 | lxsameer | nsadmin: i know but if i want to participate in maintaining a package the how should i do that? |
| 07:51.52 | nsadmin | you can try to become a maintainer and/or you can help an existing maintainer |
| 07:52.33 | lxsameer | nsadmin: so can how tell me how to do those ? |
| 07:53.10 | nsadmin | what do you want to do exactly, and to which package? |
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| 07:53.38 | the-dude | it looks hard to become a debian maintainer |
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| 07:54.00 | nsadmin | it gets harder every second :) |
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| 07:54.41 | nsadmin | lxsameer: other than that, are you an expert in any of the shells? if so which? |
| 07:54.47 | lxsameer | nsadmin: 1. can i maintain a new package ? 2. how can i help an exist maintainer for example on <XYZ> package? |
| 07:55.27 | nsadmin | 1, you'd need a sponsor; 2, you should talk to the existing maintainer for xyz |
| 07:55.40 | ix | What's the preffered way to upgrade from etch to lenny? Are there any useful documents around? |
| 07:55.40 | Deagon | Has anyone else had a bug with applications checking NM status and not being able to connect to the net when using Gnome-ppp? |
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| 07:55.58 | nsadmin | ix: the lenny release notes |
| 07:56.06 | ix | nsadmin: okay, thanks |
| 07:56.13 | Arrowmaster | dpkg, tell ix about etch->lenny |
| 07:56.57 | lxsameer | nsadmin: is sponsor a exist maintainer ? |
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| 07:57.06 | mhymn | yeah, there was once a topic to read |
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| 07:57.22 | nsadmin | yes, the sponsor must be a debian maint |
| 07:57.35 | nsadmin | also you need mentoring, which is available |
| 07:57.59 | nsadmin | lxsameer: so you're an expert with which shells? |
| 07:58.21 | Deagon | After a long Google search, I found the solutions i needed for both firefox and pidgin. I was wondering, is it at all possible to get gnome-ppp to pass connection status to NM, or maybe vice versa? |
| 07:58.22 | joko | Hi, I have a problem with the version of some packages. I am using Debian Lenny along with some packages from testing. What I want to have is a proper rtorrent/libtorrent version combo. Currently it's 0.8.4/0.12.5, but 0.8.4/0.12.4 and 0.8.5/0.12.4 are the valid ones. Is there anything I can do? Should I notify the package maintainer? |
| 07:58.41 | lxsameer | nsadmin: bash zsh but i can learn others |
| 07:59.10 | nsadmin | lxsameer: that's a good start. have you seen the info pages for bash? |
| 07:59.25 | lxsameer | nsadmin: yeah |
| 07:59.33 | crazy6 | argh, the problem is that vmware "steals" the ctrl+alt, so I have to do ctrl+alt+spacebar, then F1 ... jeez |
| 08:00.09 | nsadmin | very good, so you're at least aware of them. the bash info pages constitute the definitive bash reference. |
| 08:00.28 | lxsameer | nsadmin: i found an sponsor then what? and how can i make my package in debian? |
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| 08:01.22 | nsadmin | you'll need to read the debian packaging manual, and then you'll have to become familiar with whatever additional build system is in place for that package |
| 08:01.44 | nsadmin | as an aside, you need to be familiar with debhelper |
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| 08:02.56 | lxsameer | nsadmin: hmmmmmm , thanks for the help my friend |
| 08:03.09 | nsadmin | which is a set of small executables that do pieces of building a .deb |
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| 08:03.14 | nsadmin | each has a man page |
| 08:03.34 | nsadmin | having said that, you must be able to build a deb without any helpers |
| 08:03.56 | nsadmin | here, do this... |
| 08:04.01 | nsadmin | go to ftp.gnu.org |
| 08:04.09 | nsadmin | find gnu hello |
| 08:04.22 | nsadmin | get that tarball, untar it, read every file. |
| 08:04.25 | nsadmin | then |
| 08:04.37 | nsadmin | get the debianized source for gnu hello |
| 08:04.41 | nsadmin | read every file |
| 08:04.44 | nsadmin | compare |
| 08:05.25 | lxsameer | nsadmin: ok thanks a lot |
| 08:05.27 | nsadmin | the difference will be that one has the debian packaging, the other does not |
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| 08:05.56 | lxsameer | nsadmin: hmmmmmm i can't understand the one |
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| 08:06.30 | nsadmin | that's because you haven't even started to read that stuff yet |
| 08:06.49 | nsadmin | what languages do you program in |
| 08:07.31 | lxsameer | nsadmin: C++ , python PHP and ... |
| 08:07.35 | nsadmin | (final comment on gnu hello, do that work and you'll understand more) |
| 08:08.05 | nsadmin | so you understand the parts of the c++ compiler |
| 08:08.17 | nsadmin | and you understand make |
| 08:08.32 | nsadmin | do you understand m4 and autoconf? |
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| 08:09.06 | lxsameer | nsadmin: yeah |
| 08:09.07 | nsadmin | most people hate that stuff... but you can do a lot with it |
| 08:09.38 | lxsameer | nsadmin: exactly but little painful :P |
| 08:09.54 | nsadmin | yeah, that's true |
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| 08:10.57 | PassingStranger | nsadmin: don't you also think that what you just desribed is a little bit to high a barrier for people to just come in and simply help here and there? ;) |
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| 08:11.38 | nsadmin | PassingStranger: if that's what he wants then he can get a sponsor and learn more gradually... but he does understand quite a bit |
| 08:11.57 | nsadmin | he can still do that |
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| 08:12.18 | nsadmin | and so he doesn't have to have everything together at once |
| 08:13.16 | nsadmin | PassingStranger: as mentioned, you don't have to have maintainer status to help in thousands of areas |
| 08:14.20 | nsadmin | and, in fact, there is, as you say, a high barrier to entry for maint status |
| 08:14.41 | PassingStranger | nsadmin: yeah. I meant something different though. The process to get involved is generally a PITA. many low hurdles to overcome. the threshold from being just a user to becoming a contributor is somwhoe flawed, if you won't mind me saying so... |
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| 08:15.39 | nsadmin | you mean the sponsor thing... I'm sorta unfamiliar with the details |
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| 08:16.33 | nsadmin | there are so many choices tho, you could find an upstream project too |
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| 08:17.23 | PassingStranger | nsadmin: upstream like in 'go somewhere else, please?' ;) |
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| 08:17.54 | nsadmin | I'm not putting that kind of energy into it... what I am saying is it's one of many choices |
| 08:18.04 | Deagon | Forgive me for jumping into you conversation nsadmin and passingstranger, but am I right in thinking you now talking about ways to contribute to debian? I have often considered doing that myself and have no idea how too. |
| 08:18.13 | PassingStranger | nsadmin: that was just a joke, of course... |
| 08:18.39 | Deagon | or where to start |
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| 08:19.48 | Deagon | if thats not what your talking about, sorry. I'm not really paying much attention to anything except my TV right now |
| 08:20.16 | PassingStranger | Deagon: yeah, that was the topic. in my mind, anyway. ;) |
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| 08:21.58 | ix | How can I disable something from being started up during boot /permanently/? Up until now I've just removed the executable bit on the init script, but that feels quite dirty. |
| 08:22.01 | Deagon | PassingStranger: cool, I have not real coding knowledge except html. So I wouldn't mind pooring some time into document, etc instead. |
| 08:22.33 | nsadmin | you might all check this link out, still good after all these years... http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 08:22.48 | Deagon | would be cool to give something back to debian after having received so much from the community |
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| 08:23.35 | tosmo | ix: depending on what it is you might be able to configure it in /etc/default/xy |
| 08:23.45 | Deagon | nsadmin: thanks, bookmarked for when the tv program finishes. |
| 08:23.51 | ix | specifically the atftp daemon |
| 08:23.54 | ix | has a look |
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| 08:24.18 | tosmo | ix: and the general init V way to do it is removing/renaming the coresponding init script |
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| 08:25.44 | Arrowmaster | why dont you just uninstall it if you dont want it? |
| 08:26.04 | PassingStranger | nsadmin: see? that's kind of my point from before. myriads documents seem necessary to be read before even considering a mere one-line contribution. something like that... |
| 08:26.04 | ix | I want it, but I want to run several instances of it. |
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| 08:26.49 | PassingStranger | nsadmin: i'm not a troll, just to make sure... ;) |
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| 08:28.45 | liable | thats what all the trolls say :P |
| 08:28.55 | scibotic | How do I tell sftp to use a different port? |
| 08:29.06 | PassingStranger | liable: yeah. i'm not one of them though :) |
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| 08:29.38 | liable | scibotic: in the config file i would imagine, go read the docs for it.. |
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| 08:29.45 | tosmo | what "type" should a partition be when i want to use it with dmcrypt? what for is that flag anyway? |
| 08:29.48 | crazy6 | argh, not having copy->paste work between host and guest machines is so crippling |
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| 08:31.00 | PassingStranger | crazy6: Virtualbox and its guestadditions do have some kind of guest<->host clipboard functionality... |
| 08:31.30 | scibotic | liable, Found it in the manpage, -oPort= |
| 08:32.12 | liable | good |
| 08:34.34 | crazy6 | PassingStranger: hrm, ok, yeah, I've heard good things about virtualbox, but I just use VMware player since I've known the name for a long time; any idea if it can import vmware images? |
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| 08:35.28 | PassingStranger | crazy6: not really, as i never used vmware. i know that there are tools to import the disks, at the very least... |
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| 08:35.49 | crazy6 | well, let's give it a try... another thing to sink 3 or 4 hours into :) |
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| 08:36.10 | axscode | hi guys, anyone knows how can i install apt-get from scratch? trying to work-out an embedded box, ive been googling but i found how to use apt-get.. not how to install apt-get it self.. |
| 08:38.17 | liable | axscode: get the de, and install it with dpkg |
| 08:38.27 | liable | s/de/deb/ |
| 08:38.55 | axscode | liable: ahh.. im not sure my embedded box can handle .deb |
| 08:39.15 | liable | axscode: then why do you want to install apt-get? |
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| 08:39.27 | SlayerXP | good morning, and greetings to any Debian people I met at the Debian UK OMGWTFBBQ over the weekend |
| 08:39.53 | liable | was good bbq? |
| 08:39.54 | axscode | i wanted to add more packages to the embedded box.. its based on debian, but not full debian though... just part its like linux from scratch also |
| 08:40.12 | SlayerXP | liable: no deaths or maimings that I'm aware of. |
| 08:40.22 | liable | always a plus |
| 08:41.13 | liable | axscode: ask the makers of the distro how to install packages. |
| 08:41.54 | liable | damn you. now i'm drooling about bacon, and i dont have any. |
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| 08:42.53 | pif | iceweasel defaults to "us letter" for printing, how do I change that? |
| 08:43.06 | pif | my /etc/pagesize is "a4" |
| 08:43.31 | axscode | its ok |
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| 08:50.14 | MikeH | Is there a way to clear "packages no longer needed" messages from apt? |
| 08:50.28 | MikeH | other than auto-remove? |
| 08:50.37 | MikeH | I see no reason to remove them, when everything is working just fine now |
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| 08:57.13 | netcrash | Hello, any tip on a l2tp+ipsec client for linux ? |
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| 09:10.59 | dsacchet | Hello |
| 09:11.19 | dsacchet | We have a really strange behaviour with a server |
| 09:11.34 | dsacchet | after a reboot, the server hangs before GRUB |
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| 09:11.58 | dsacchet | when booting on rescue mode with a CD, the partition table looks strange |
| 09:12.17 | dsacchet | fdisk shows only a EFI GPT partition |
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| 09:12.29 | dsacchet | and partman shows us all our partition |
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| 09:12.39 | dsacchet | We can mount them like before |
| 09:13.09 | dsacchet | it seems GPT partition table type is only linked with EFI bios, but our server is a classical AMD64 server |
| 09:13.13 | dsacchet | so no EFI ... |
| 09:13.38 | dsacchet | We reinstall it with lenny 2 months ago, make some reboot since that, but it is the first time we have this problem |
| 09:14.18 | dsacchet | we try an upgrade-grub (which seems to run without error), but still the same thing |
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| 09:15.53 | liable | sounds a bit odd. |
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| 09:16.19 | dsacchet | yes, I agree ... |
| 09:16.24 | liable | hope its backed up already, if not, do it before you do anything else |
| 09:16.36 | dsacchet | does lenny use GPT by default ? |
| 09:17.07 | liable | the installer defaults to ext3 |
| 09:17.17 | liable | what is GPT? |
| 09:17.17 | dsacchet | yes for the data partition |
| 09:17.37 | dsacchet | it is a replacment for MBR (for what I understand from my recent reading) |
| 09:17.50 | dsacchet | which is mainly use with new EFI Bios |
| 09:17.57 | dsacchet | (replacement for PC Bios) |
| 09:18.12 | liable | never heard of it. |
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| 09:23.10 | fireba11 | hi, i got a fallback box for my webserver. i copied apache2 config over, now on the backup box i get ERROR: APACHE_PID_FILE needs to be defined in /etc/apache2/envvars how come? on the source box it isn't defined too. |
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| 09:26.48 | liable | same version? |
| 09:27.39 | fireba11 | liable: aw crap .. you're right. my hot spare is already lenny .. tried the upgrade some time ago and didn't upgrade the production box yet, sorry |
| 09:28.07 | liable | no worries, glad it rang the bell :) |
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| 09:29.21 | fireba11 | i'm a bit angry with mysefl for forgetting :-D |
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| 09:32.40 | cantoma | guys, i am trying to copy some stuff from a internet page to openoffice. But it crashes all the time that i try it. Is this normal? |
| 09:34.15 | liable | heh, no. |
| 09:35.22 | cantoma | then when i restart it it ask to recover the lost work and it crashes again |
| 09:35.32 | liable | file a bug |
| 09:35.44 | liable | after checking bts first |
| 09:36.01 | liable | though i imagine it would be a lot to wade through for oo |
| 09:36.57 | cantoma | liable, i am trying to copy a page full of links and bottons. i am not shore if open office supports this |
| 09:37.31 | liable | cantoma: if it doesn't support it, it should fail sensibly, not crash the program. |
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| 09:38.14 | cantoma | liable, they will probably tell me to try last version. I am using 2.4.1 from debian lenny rep |
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| 09:38.39 | liable | cantoma: possibly, but you won't know untill you file the bug. |
| 09:38.44 | cantoma | i would not like to try to make; make install openoffice |
| 09:39.42 | liable | i doubt the dd would tell you to compile it, either they will know about it and tell you, or pass it upstream, or, if there are backports available, maybe suggest that. |
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| 09:41.50 | cantoma | liable, i have the log from strace i will try to send it them now |
| 09:42.07 | liable | good idea |
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| 09:43.09 | angel | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.41 | liable | angel: i would say your router is misconfigured |
| 09:43.49 | liable | s/touter/AP/ |
| 09:44.03 | liable | grah, _router_ |
| 09:44.11 | petemc | angel: doesnt sound like a debian issue, but does the router have an ip address on the wan side? |
| 09:44.48 | angel | petemc: yeah , I have the IP and gateway |
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| 09:45.17 | angel | liable: what is s/touter/AP I am new to the channel |
| 09:45.25 | liable | try setting the AP to be a dhcp relay if its not |
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| 09:45.57 | angel | liable: the router is DHCP enabled , but AP is DHCP disabled |
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| 09:46.13 | liable | angel: it means, substitue one word for another. but then i mispelled it too, to add confusion :) |
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| 09:48.19 | angel | liable: should I disable the DHCP from router? |
| 09:48.39 | liable | angel: does it work if you plug a cable into the router? |
| 09:49.44 | liable | angel: basically, i suppose you need to work out which device serves out the IP's, and make sure the others know which gateway to use. |
| 09:50.50 | angel | liable: no if I plug a cable into the router then its not working |
| 09:51.10 | liable | angel: so you need to fix that first. |
| 09:51.59 | angel | liable: the same configuration was working yesterday, I have just disable the DHCP from the router and Enable it from the AP, then I've got this problem |
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| 09:52.26 | angel | liable: but now I have my previous configuration and its not working |
| 09:53.45 | liable | angel: well, keep playing around, i'm sure you'll work it out. I suppose the first thing is to make sure that your internet is actually working. ie, plug straight into the modem. then work back from there. |
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| 09:56.28 | hitmoon | hello everyone! |
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| 09:57.41 | cantoma | liable, I did my best: Issue 104676 |
| 09:57.54 | ^shark_ | how does one install software from another release, i want to install the pine source from etch into lenny |
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| 09:58.36 | liable | cantoma: thats not the correct bug number it seems |
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| 10:00.32 | cantoma | liable, why? |
| 10:00.45 | liable | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=104676 |
| 10:01.29 | cantoma | liable, i submitted into openoffice not debian |
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| 10:02.19 | cantoma | liable, http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104676 |
| 10:02.20 | liable | cantoma: oh, ok. going through debian would have been better, because, yes, you can almost gaurentee they will tell you to try the latest version. |
| 10:02.53 | poncha|work | guys.. i have a question. i need to connect several servers to a SAN storage. they will all write to the fs (but not to the same files) simultaneousely. do i need any additional software? or this is supposed to be transparent ? |
| 10:02.55 | zophy-64bit | the latest version has the latest bugs |
| 10:03.40 | cantoma | liable, well if i find time to install it i will try .. but can't they send a patch or something ? like microsoft does |
| 10:04.12 | cantoma | well at least i will now what is the problem soon .. or if it already exists |
| 10:04.16 | Evo2 | ^shark_: what do you mean by install source. Download the source package, build a binary package and the install that? |
| 10:04.30 | liable | cantoma: not very likely. but see what they say i suppose. |
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| 10:05.40 | Acheron | How do I get an installer for debian sid? |
| 10:05.59 | zophy-64bit | flash 10 crashes my 64 bit iceweasel |
| 10:06.00 | azeem | Acheron: you don't |
| 10:06.03 | liable | if you have to ask, you shouldn't. but the installer has expert mode.. |
| 10:06.05 | azeem | Acheron: install stable and upgrade |
| 10:06.18 | ^shark_ | Evo2: i tried that but seems to me like every time i do so, the package is having a problem telling me "make: command not found". I would like to build the source of pine from etch into my lenny |
| 10:06.18 | Evo2 | azeem: you can install testing |
| 10:06.31 | liable | you can install whatever you want |
| 10:06.39 | Evo2 | ^shark_: ok you are missing build-depends ... |
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| 10:07.06 | Evo2 | ^shark_: apt-get build-dep alipine |
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| 10:07.22 | Evo2 | s/alipine/alpine |
| 10:07.31 | azeem | Evo2: but you shouldn't. |
| 10:07.38 | zophy-64bit | only 928 people in the whole world are allowed to talk here ? |
| 10:07.41 | Evo2 | azeem: why? |
| 10:07.45 | ^shark_ | Evo2: okay, i do not want alpine, used it n got some problem. is it possible to build from etch on my lenny |
| 10:07.51 | azeem | Evo2: at least not via testing d-i |
| 10:08.08 | nsadmin | thaat's not true and you know it... he can install what he wants, it's his machine. |
| 10:08.12 | Evo2 | azeem: I never said he should edit sources.list |
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| 10:08.22 | azeem | Evo2: I don't think I claimed you said that |
| 10:08.33 | Evo2 | azeem: I was making the leading order asumption that build-dep would be the same |
| 10:08.41 | azeem | eh? |
| 10:08.48 | azeem | what does build-dep have to do with installing sid? |
| 10:09.14 | Evo2 | azeem: what does installing sid have to do with building a binary package? |
| 10:09.21 | azeem | are you a bot? |
| 10:09.22 | nsadmin | sid? I thought he wanted to install an earlier package onto current stable |
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| 10:09.31 | azeem | 12:05 < Acheron> How do I get an installer for debian sid? |
| 10:09.44 | azeem | I don't know what question you guys are discussing |
| 10:09.51 | nsadmin | oh, that's a separate question |
| 10:10.02 | liable | so scroll up and read it.. |
| 10:10.16 | Evo2 | I was in the middle of two independent threads: one about upgrading to sid, one about buiding a binary package from a source package |
| 10:10.17 | azeem | liable: me? |
| 10:10.46 | azeem | Evo2: and then you started talking to me about installing testing |
| 10:11.06 | Evo2 | multitasking fail |
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| 10:11.09 | liable | azeem: yeah. it makes sense if you read what he previously said. well, it did to me. |
| 10:11.47 | azeem | liable: he commented on a problem I was discussing with another user |
| 10:11.51 | Evo2 | ^shark_: so you want to install pine, which is not in Debian? |
| 10:11.54 | liable | but using the daily d-i should be fine for installing testing anyway. or sid. i dont suggest it, seeing as he had to ask, but its certainly possible. |
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| 10:12.21 | Acheron | I am a coder, not really used to linux though. |
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| 10:12.44 | monzo | Acheron: Why Sid? |
| 10:12.58 | nsadmin | Acheron: you'd have a fairly steep learning curve going to sid directly |
| 10:13.01 | liable | azeem: ok, i probably should have not gotten involved. |
| 10:13.11 | Acheron | It's hell to compile vlc on debian lenny. |
| 10:13.17 | Acheron | It complains on the glibc version. |
| 10:13.22 | azeem | eh? |
| 10:13.34 | nsadmin | I compiled it ok |
| 10:13.38 | Acheron | You did? |
| 10:13.42 | Acheron | With mozilla plugin? |
| 10:13.43 | azeem | Acheron: which function does it need from glibc >= 2.8= |
| 10:13.44 | azeem | ? |
| 10:13.48 | zophy-64bit | is it true that the linux indian tribe is suing to stop the use of the name linux for computewr operating systems ? |
| 10:13.58 | Acheron | Not sure, but the configure whines. |
| 10:14.02 | azeem | zophy-64bit: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 10:14.05 | Acheron | Says something is buggy. |
| 10:14.11 | azeem | Acheron: that's not very specific |
| 10:14.13 | nsadmin | I don't think so, I built it because I was curious |
| 10:14.19 | Acheron | It was awhile since I tried. :P |
| 10:14.21 | Acheron | Sorry. |
| 10:14.21 | azeem | if you want help, you will have to paste the exact error |
| 10:14.23 | azeem | !paste |
| 10:14.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 10:14.43 | nsadmin | the pastebinit thing is pretty cool |
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| 10:15.55 | nsadmin | when did it turn from 4 lines to 2? |
| 10:17.44 | Acheron | http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/vlc since it's included there, I assume you can just download all the build-deps in a jiffy? |
| 10:17.50 | Acheron | I do know linux, but I'm not an expert. |
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| 10:18.11 | azeem | Acheron: yes, via apt-get build-dep vlc |
| 10:18.15 | nsadmin | Acheron: possibly you tried to build a diferent version of it, and not one that was backported |
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| 10:18.38 | Acheron | maybe |
| 10:18.46 | Acheron | So how do I get sid? install testing release? |
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| 10:18.53 | azeem | why do you want to install it? |
| 10:19.00 | azeem | are you a vlc developer? |
| 10:19.21 | Acheron | I need a issue in VLC fixed, ie: I need to compile nightly builds. |
| 10:20.03 | azeem | why don't provide a patch for the stable (or backport) package and build yourself one to run on stable? |
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| 10:20.23 | Acheron | I don't have time to get into the VLC code. :P |
| 10:21.14 | nsadmin | you could check the bug reports to see if the issue was reported to debian, and to see if it was fixec |
| 10:21.22 | nsadmin | d |
| 10:22.10 | azeem | Acheron: well, we don't have time to support unstable, sorry |
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| 10:22.35 | Acheron | I only need to know how to get the sid? Not support. |
| 10:22.50 | RichiH | !unstable |
| 10:22.50 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 10:23.42 | Acheron | !sid |
| 10:23.42 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 10:24.28 | RichiH | Acheron: you can get more info with "/msg dpkg sid info" etc |
| 10:24.29 | monzo | acheron: fastest way: change /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:24.31 | nsadmin | "If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't." <-- ridiculous barrier to entry. |
| 10:24.44 | RichiH | nsadmin: it's true, though |
| 10:25.05 | monzo | change lenny to sid, sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 10:25.12 | Evo2 | nsadmin, RichiH: I think it depends on what your intentions are |
| 10:25.14 | RichiH | it's anyone's privilege to willfully disregard the advice |
| 10:25.22 | monzo | probably not the most beautiful way, but the quickest nonetheless |
| 10:25.37 | RichiH | Acheron: don't do what monzo said |
| 10:25.46 | Acheron | monzo I tried to install vlc from sid repos, it broke my os. :P |
| 10:25.47 | RichiH | Evo2: of course |
| 10:25.51 | monzo | Further more, I agree with everything said above ;) |
| 10:25.53 | mbruins | monzo: evil :):) |
| 10:26.13 | Evo2 | I wouldn't recomend sid to a new user on their main machine, but if they wanted to play in a vm or a secondary machine, then there is no harm |
| 10:26.25 | Acheron | It will be a secondary machine. |
| 10:26.31 | monzo | no, not evil, I've done it on occasion |
| 10:26.40 | nsadmin | I don't agree in the general case, but I do agree in this case... you have someone who's only installing it to get a specific version of libc (which is not guaranteed he'd get) and who may or may not be an experienced user... |
| 10:26.53 | monzo | I thought it wouldn't be your primary workstation anyway |
| 10:26.55 | RichiH | monzo: i do it every time after i am done with the netinstall |
| 10:26.56 | mbruins | monzo: i understand its possible but i wouldt do that just to test something hehe |
| 10:27.00 | monzo | (@acheron) |
| 10:27.10 | ^shark_ | Evo2: yes i want to install pine which is not in debian |
| 10:27.11 | RichiH | still, it is not a good idea to advice people of unknown skill to do it |
| 10:27.31 | nsadmin | Acheron: if you don't care about data on the machine or security on that machine or breakage on the machine, go for it as an experiment |
| 10:27.34 | monzo | RichiH, you are right |
| 10:27.42 | Evo2 | ^shark_: sorry, you're too late, got a bus to catch. Perhaps someone else can help you. |
| 10:27.49 | Acheron | breakage? :O |
| 10:27.52 | Acheron | What kind of breakage? |
| 10:27.56 | Acheron | Like hardware? |
| 10:27.56 | RichiH | monzo: actually, i am not. it's advise, not advice, in this case :p |
| 10:28.05 | nsadmin | Acheron no, not hardware |
| 10:28.10 | ^shark_ | Evo2: ok |
| 10:28.11 | Evo2 | Bye all |
| 10:28.20 | RichiH | Acheron: just make sure you have backups of important stuff |
| 10:28.44 | Acheron | It will be a completely fresh installation in an attempt to get a fix for an issue in vlc. |
| 10:29.01 | azeem | Acheron: and what's the use? |
| 10:29.02 | monzo | Acheron, start out with a base system |
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| 10:29.07 | mbruins | ^shark_: http://imux.net/howtopineondebian.html perphaps this might help.. aleast it explain why it issnt in debian by default |
| 10:29.09 | azeem | are you going to only run vlc on it? |
| 10:29.16 | Acheron | firefox + vlc plugin |
| 10:29.16 | nsadmin | it won't kill your hardware... otoh, don't have missle launchers hooked up... |
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| 10:29.27 | monzo | then upgrade to sid, then install desktop (or gnome or...) |
| 10:29.42 | monzo | hmmm, missile launchers on Sid |
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| 10:30.04 | monzo | That's like the return of the Sovjet union... |
| 10:30.10 | nsadmin | that's almost as bad as missile launchers on windows |
| 10:30.36 | monzo | well, it will give an entirely new meaning to killall ... |
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| 10:31.08 | nsadmin | monzo: or rather restore the original meaning |
| 10:31.18 | Acheron | azeem: atm the playlist bugs out in 0.99a, and in 1.0.1 auto next is broken (but I can get a dirty patch for it) |
| 10:31.20 | monzo | chicken - egg... |
| 10:31.46 | nsadmin | chicken-egg-missile! |
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| 10:32.34 | Honeyman | Hi all. If anyone used pbuilder/pdebuild for building the packages, can you hint me if/how it is possible to exclude some source directory from being added to the source tarball during the building process? |
| 10:33.54 | bzed | Honeyman: use -i and -I as dpkg-buildpackage option |
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| 10:36.25 | chomwitt | reportbug starts with a warning 'bugs.debian.org is no longer an appropriate smtphost setting for reportbug. update .reportbugrc. Is that important. How can i correct it? |
| 10:37.13 | nsadmin | Acheron: probably it won't be so fragile as we're making it out to be; debian is one of the few dists that "enforce" stability... it's the same as a difference between dos and unix/linux: the former can do anything (it's like having root all the time), while the latter can do anything too, but restricts that "anything" to certain "users" |
| 10:37.42 | nsadmin | similarly debian adds stability that not many other dists have |
| 10:38.13 | Acheron | Nice to hear. :P |
| 10:39.02 | nsadmin | but the sid dist can go the other way, not only is it unstable because it |
| 10:39.31 | nsadmin | has later versions which are less tested, but... |
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| 10:40.33 | Acheron | base installation being a netinst? |
| 10:40.51 | nsadmin | maintainers can add packages at any time... suffice it to say pileups can happen |
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| 10:42.29 | nsadmin | since there's little support, you're often fending for yourself, finding and solving problems by looking thru code and crash dumps, etc |
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| 10:43.25 | nsadmin | one thing going for you is the bug tracking system where you might find reports that match issues you're having |
| 10:44.27 | nsadmin | say, that reminds me... you said vlc had some sort of issue... maybe it's mentioned |
| 10:44.57 | Acheron | I am talking to a developer about it and when it will be fixed. :P |
| 10:45.10 | Acheron | He has a dirty patch for it, but doesn't want to submit it yet. |
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| 10:47.36 | tarzeau | is someone really fit with fonts, i've got someone asking me out about fonts in debian... |
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| 10:48.53 | tarzeau | http://gnu.ethz.ch/fontquestion.txt i'd be glad for some hints... |
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| 11:00.01 | _Brandon_ | hi, is there a way to reenable ctrl+alt+backspace to restart xorg? I've tried to add DontZap in xorg.conf and reenable it with dpkg-reconfigure console-setup too, but it doesn't work |
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| 11:00.46 | Honeyman | bzed: Uhm, thanks, seems like it. |
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| 11:02.07 | rgr | _Brandon_: oh good, it's not just me. Why did they disable it? |
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| 11:03.17 | _Brandon_ | rgr: no idea maybe for "security" |
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| 11:03.30 | SparFux1 | Hi. |
| 11:03.31 | rgr | bit late for that I would have thought. |
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| 11:03.45 | rgr | I used it quite a lot :-( |
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| 11:05.20 | XayOn | I'm also hating that "ey-you-can't-use-ctrlaltbackspace-anymore" stuff =( |
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| 11:05.44 | NantoRokuseiken | how can i reconfigure my keyboard? i should press the Fn button on my keyboard to write I. it writes 5 if i dont |
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| 11:06.30 | _Brandon_ | NantoRokuseiken: maybe you have bloc num enabled |
| 11:06.39 | XayOn | NantoRokuseiken: try pressing bloq num (probably something lik fn+the place with blog num there) |
| 11:07.10 | NantoRokuseiken | its fixed |
| 11:07.12 | NantoRokuseiken | thanks! |
| 11:07.24 | XayOn | ... lol |
| 11:08.47 | rgr | was it linked with sudo keeping passwords or something? |
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| 11:22.33 | steiner | I'm installing KDE after my initial installion of Debian (because I don't want GNOME). How can I get it to run automatically after booting up so I see the KDE login screen rather than the bash login prompt? |
| 11:23.40 | petemc | install a display manager such as kdm |
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| 11:25.16 | steiner | alright, thanks |
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| 11:43.22 | kc8pxy | how wary shoudl i be of installing a sid mysql-server package on my lenny install? |
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| 11:44.08 | abrotman | kc8pxy: did you backport it, or are you just trying to install the package directly ? |
| 11:44.35 | kc8pxy | abrotman: i did not backport it yet. |
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| 11:46.05 | kc8pxy | abrotman: should i prefer the ~ssb maner of doing it? |
| 11:46.20 | abrotman | kc8pxy: uh .. yeah .. installing it directly will lead to "Uh oh" |
| 11:46.36 | mbruins | "will lead to "Uh oh"" haha |
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| 11:47.31 | abrotman | mbruins: that was the "Family Friendly" version |
| 11:47.40 | kc8pxy | abrotman: sid main deb-src? |
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| 11:48.01 | abrotman | kc8pxy: what about it? |
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| 11:48.49 | kc8pxy | abrotman: it says to ONLY do a src line for sid. but does not say what the url is. i was confirming it. |
| 11:49.00 | mbruins | abrotman: yes i understand, thats why its so funny ;x |
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| 11:50.30 | abrotman | kc8pxy: no, you're supposed to know how to make one :) |
| 11:50.40 | abrotman | kc8pxy: man sources.list might be helpful |
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| 11:59.52 | kc8pxy | abrotman: how is man source.list helpful, provided i know how to write sane sources lines? i know how to write the url, i just don't know where the correct place to point the url at is for sid sources. |
| 12:00.40 | abrotman | kc8pxy: deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ unstable main |
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| 12:01.38 | kc8pxy | ok, so my problem was using sid instead of unstable? |
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| 12:02.15 | abrotman | no, either should work |
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| 12:03.01 | kc8pxy | abrotman: grrr. -b source mysql-server is still trying to build 5.0.51a, not 5.1.x ..... :-( |
| 12:03.10 | kc8pxy | even after an update |
| 12:03.27 | abrotman | kc8pxy: you probably want to use apt-get -b source mysql-server-5.1 ? |
| 12:03.41 | abrotman | judd: versions mysql-server |
| 12:03.42 | judd | abrotman: mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch10 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1 squeeze: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1 sid: 5.0.67-1 sid: 5.0.75-1 experimental: 5.1.31-2 sid: 5.1.37-1 |
| 12:04.03 | abrotman | thinks judd has gone bananas |
| 12:04.17 | kc8pxy | is too accustomed to automagical selection of package revs. |
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| 12:04.43 | abrotman | kc8pxy: besides, building just 'mysql-server' would get you a fancy metapackage |
| 12:05.48 | kc8pxy | abrotman: grr.. failing build on unmet deps of dev packages. the -b source is not pulling themin? |
| 12:05.52 | xeon-enouf | 3 sids requires an exorcism |
| 12:06.18 | abrotman | kc8pxy: it's not a simple process |
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| 12:06.44 | xeon-enouf | or .. maybe we can turn it into some sort of whacko robotic slot machine :-P |
| 12:06.50 | abrotman | kc8pxy: but it really is the better way to go .. trying to use something like pinning will create a mess, and building from source is an option, but you have to clean up after yourself |
| 12:07.09 | kc8pxy | abrotman: been thre, created said mess before. |
| 12:08.00 | abrotman | kc8pxy: did you do the builddeb stuff first? |
| 12:08.03 | abrotman | build-dep |
| 12:08.11 | kc8pxy | abrotman: my question is why building the source package does not dep the relevant -dev packages |
| 12:08.52 | kc8pxy | abrotman: i missread that part. |
| 12:08.58 | kc8pxy | doing that now. |
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| 12:09.39 | xeon-enouf | you're not building the source pkg, but the binary one(s) you want, from source? |
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| 12:10.45 | kc8pxy | xeon-enouf: IIRC, i'm creating a binary package based on repository sources. |
| 12:11.23 | xeon-enouf | yep (and IIUC would work better there ;-)) |
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| 12:11.47 | kc8pxy | iiuc? |
| 12:11.47 | xeon-enouf | !iiuc |
| 12:11.47 | dpkg | i heard iiuc is "If I understand correctly" |
| 12:11.47 | kc8pxy | ahh. |
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| 12:12.23 | kc8pxy | ahh.. it's "boiling" now :) |
| 12:12.24 | xeon-enouf | (or, even AFAIK ;-)) |
| 12:12.57 | xeon-enouf | s/boiling/{baking,cooking}/ :-) |
| 12:13.14 | abrotman | 'breaking' ? |
| 12:13.34 | jelly | judd: versions ikiwiki |
| 12:13.34 | judd | jelly: ikiwiki -- etch: 1.33.6 etch-security: 1.33.6 etch-backports: 2.53.3~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.53.3 lenny-security: 2.53.4 sid: 2.70 sid: 3.03 lenny-backports: 3.141~bpo50+1 squeeze: 3.141592 sid: 3.1415926 |
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| 12:14.06 | jelly | someone's having Knuthy crunchy version fun |
| 12:14.07 | kc8pxy | I'm used to watching source compiles. my wife would rather i be helping around the house, so she quotes " a watched pot never boils"... so it's boiling :) |
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| 12:14.56 | xeon-enouf | good point |
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| 12:15.31 | jelly | wonders if dpkg (the program) has unlimited precision for version numbers |
| 12:15.33 | abrotman | stew: is judd broken, or are the sources it's pulling from borked? |
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| 12:24.06 | hrad | guys how can I get output of some process to the console .... it can't be stopped and run again from console, it is running and I just need to get the output of it |
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| 12:24.41 | hrad | standard output |
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| 12:25.27 | jelly | abrotman: judd seems fairly uptodate for me, at least for palyndromatic packages |
| 12:25.35 | jelly | (sp?) |
| 12:25.39 | abrotman | jelly: notice above .. he's got three sid entires ? |
| 12:25.53 | petemc | palindromatic |
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| 12:25.58 | jelly | abrotman: I only see two. |
| 12:26.06 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:26.10 | petemc | hmm, seems it palindomic |
| 12:26.15 | sylar | anyone knows if asus EZ-backup SATA ports can be used like normal sata ports? |
| 12:26.24 | jelly | petemc: -dromic? |
| 12:26.32 | petemc | so it seems |
| 12:26.46 | jelly | abrotman: I need stronger glasses! |
| 12:27.18 | MaximusBrood | With the default config of sshd, the option UsePAM is enabled by default, while ChallengeResponseAuthentication is disabled. Why is PAM used at all here, and if I attempt to run multiple sshd instances, how does sshd know which /etc/pam.d/ config it should use? |
| 12:27.23 | jelly | sylar: those likely _are_ some standard sata controller, just branded |
| 12:28.15 | sylar | jelly, if so , then p5q can give me 8 sata ports :D |
| 12:28.32 | sylar | jelly, could do raid6 with 8x1TB |
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| 12:29.42 | jelly | gives sylar a hot spare. |
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| 12:29.56 | Denise_ | sylvie star |
| 12:30.01 | Denise_ | jelly fish jo |
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| 12:30.04 | Denise_ | allez chier |
| 12:30.10 | Denise_ | c,est définitif |
| 12:30.14 | Denise_ | lachez-moi le cul |
| 12:30.17 | Denise_ | allez chier |
| 12:30.25 | jelly | detects a possible twoll |
| 12:30.44 | fireba11 | jelly: what's a twoll? |
| 12:31.12 | abrotman | Denise_: please speak english |
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| 12:31.58 | jelly | fireba11: what's a wabbit? |
| 12:32.02 | MaximusBrood | It's not so much about not speaking English as it is about not speaking nonsensical crap. |
| 12:32.17 | MaximusBrood | Wait, that doesn't make sense. |
| 12:32.22 | Denise_ | you are a nonsense crap |
| 12:32.22 | MaximusBrood | IFail. |
| 12:32.23 | abrotman | MaximusBrood: it would appear to be french .. |
| 12:32.39 | MaximusBrood | Captain Obvious! |
| 12:32.44 | abrotman | regardless of waht you think about french as a language .. english is spoken here |
| 12:32.44 | niko | please Denise_ watch your language |
| 12:32.44 | Denise_ | maximussmalluspenissus |
| 12:32.50 | fireba11 | abrotman: that's the point. it APPEARS to be :-) |
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| 12:33.01 | abrotman | Denise_: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 12:34.25 | sylar | anyone knows how much processing power do I need for raid over 8 disks? |
| 12:34.39 | abrotman | swraid or hwraid ? |
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| 12:35.12 | abrotman | and if swraid, which RAID level? |
| 12:35.41 | abrotman | (though it really comes down to what the machine will be doing, and how much disk IO) |
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| 12:36.25 | rgr | I just used firestarter on my headless server via x forwarding over ssh once more. The services I set up for it will be "open" when I reboot it won't they? or do I need to add something to startup? |
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| 12:37.17 | tarzeau | "there is a light that never goes out", can anyone tell me what it means? |
| 12:37.33 | jelly | context? |
| 12:38.08 | petemc | seems fairly meaningless to me, as it cant be true |
| 12:38.27 | mquin | it's the title of a Smiths song |
| 12:38.34 | petemc | well that explains it |
| 12:39.00 | petemc | morrissey always a depressing auld bastard |
| 12:39.03 | petemc | +was |
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| 12:40.19 | PassingStranger | ... and i thought it was the theme song of the fridge paleontoligsts |
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| 12:41.25 | jelly | ask me ask me ask me to provide an exception that proves your point, petemc! |
| 12:41.36 | petemc | :) |
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| 12:44.42 | xeon-enouf | mquin: meat is murder, heh |
| 12:45.12 | jelly | rgr: most packages set themselves up to be started at boot time if there is something to be started, and that includes firewall scripts. However, check and read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/packagename, and also any of /etc/default/packagename, /etc/packagename*, /etc/init.d/packagename if they exist |
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| 12:46.00 | mquin | xeon-enouf: tasty, tasty murder |
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| 12:46.54 | xeon-enouf | tarzeau: basically means; a) hope never dies (context here would be important) or (to a much less degree IMHO) b) referring to something like the sun |
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| 12:47.14 | xeon-enouf | mquin: savory even :-p |
| 12:48.26 | tarzeau | xeon-enouf: dunno, it was written on a doormat, house entry |
| 12:48.49 | Acheron | Do I need to install "standard system" to upgrade to sid? |
| 12:49.11 | tarzeau | i found the photo here: http://jblyth.com/blog_04.html (WARNING, not worksafe) |
| 12:50.32 | xeon-enouf | tarzeau: maybe they've been burglarized many times in the past :-) .. but seriously, in that context, it would mean "you're always welcome - we'll always be here and awake for you, should you need shelter/quarter, etc" |
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| 12:51.39 | tarzeau | xeon-enouf: ah ok |
| 12:51.40 | xeon-enouf | "'Change' is that something you're left with after paying taxes" <-- bumper sticker :-) |
| 12:52.42 | xeon-enouf | s/that something/what/ |
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| 12:53.52 | xeon-enouf | Acheron: um, why would you? unless there's a (few) tool(s) of priority 'standard' required to actually dist-upgrade, but i'd think not |
| 12:54.16 | Acheron | Standard system isn't very descriptive, I dunno what it contains. :P |
| 12:54.29 | Acheron | I'll skip it though and hopefully that'll work. :P |
| 12:54.49 | Acheron | All I need is nano and apt. :P |
| 12:54.51 | rgr | jelly: my understanding was "kind" of that firestarter was merely a gui to filter scripts which will be loaded at reboot. |
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| 12:55.36 | abrotman | Acheron: aptitude search "~pstandard" |
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| 12:56.54 | jelly | rgr: I've never used it so I don't know the way it plugs into Debian network configuration. A smart package could drop scripts in /etc/network/if*.d/ too. Best to dpkg -L firestarter and see what it has in /etc |
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| 12:57.40 | Acheron | Can got the list for sid sources handy? |
| 12:57.57 | xeon-enouf | rgr: see if it's installation dropped/created something (a symlink) in /etc/rcS.d/ |
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| 12:58.10 | steiner | is there a way to convert from a 32bit install to a 64 bit install? I'm currently on my third attempt at installing debian (testing amd64, stable amd64, now stable x86) because I kept hanging at the point where it tries to load the root filesystem. |
| 12:58.17 | rgr | jelly: a quick google suggest there are issues with it in ubuntu and debian. I'll check the rcS files, |
| 12:58.37 | xeon-enouf | Acheron: huh? /msg dpkg mirror ; /msg dpkg sources.list ; /msg dpkg releases |
| 12:58.41 | jelly | rgr: oh, and in general, it should have a way to "start" it without a reboot as well... this is Linux, reboots are for hardware (and kernel) upgrades. |
| 12:59.10 | rgr | jelly: I know. Which is why I am asking now because I need to reboot my server for a new kernel. |
| 12:59.18 | Acheron | ty enouf |
| 12:59.20 | xeon-enouf | steiner: does '/msg dpkg can't mount root' help? |
| 12:59.35 | jelly | rgr: and you wouldn't like to be cut off from the remote machine after reboot, I guess |
| 12:59.49 | rgr | you got it :-; |
| 13:00.04 | jelly | four eyed monstrosity!!! |
| 13:00.15 | xeon-enouf | Acheron: mirror should be 'mirrors' |
| 13:00.38 | xeon-enouf | bah - doesn't matter |
| 13:01.00 | rgr | ok I have a S65firestarter so I guess thats ok ... |
| 13:01.14 | rgr | wonders whetehr to reboot now while its all fresh in my mind .... |
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| 13:03.34 | xeon-enouf | steiner: there's no easy way to convert from 32<->64bit userland, if 64 is there, a chroot using ia32-libs and such is an optional environment you can setup and use, or .. conversely .. you could debootstrap a 64bit install from within a 32bit install (granted your CPU is 64bit capable). |
| 13:04.16 | Acheron | Hmpf, I am getting no picture (I deselected desktop env and standard system from the software list). I should still get a command prompt though? |
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| 13:05.53 | xeon-enouf | steiner: kernelspace isn't userspace, and vice-versa.. with a i386(32bit x86) install, you could always also use the -amd64 (64bit x86_64) kernel - which you might choose to do if you have ~4G of RAM or more, and want to keep 32bit userspace (i386) |
| 13:06.55 | xeon-enouf | Acheron: trying to install sid directly is almost always broken ... depending |
| 13:06.56 | Titan8990 | Acheron, yes, a system w/o a display manager will boot to a tty console |
| 13:07.17 | Acheron | And standard system "software" is utilities and nothing vital? |
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| 13:07.29 | xeon-enouf | Acheron: IOW,that doesn't sound like a "upgrade" that you seemed to imply earlier |
| 13:07.47 | Acheron | Well I asked here earlier and they said to install a base then change dist and upgrade. :P |
| 13:07.58 | xeon-enouf | Acheron: right, priority important and required _are_ needed |
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| 13:08.14 | xeon-enouf | that's correct |
| 13:08.47 | Acheron | right to what? standard system? or the installation procedure of sid? |
| 13:08.53 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: so would a system without X :-p |
| 13:09.19 | xeon-enouf | Acheron: both |
| 13:09.23 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, right, but a system with X and no DM, will also boot to console |
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| 13:09.30 | Acheron | Well I am using a TV monitor for this.. maybe I should switch to a normal monitor and see if I get picture.. |
| 13:09.36 | xeon-enouf | yep |
| 13:09.40 | bodobacs | hi! please, can you give me some advice about which debian port should i install on a celeron dual core T3000 machine? i would like to have the benefits of 64bit if it possible. |
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| 13:10.27 | xeon-enouf | Acheron: picture? how about saying 'command prompt' or shell or console, or TTY, or VT or something... |
| 13:10.44 | tdn | I need to archive a website so that it can be viewed locally in the future. I have tried using wget -m, but that does not work for sub pages like /index.php?id=42. How would you do this? |
| 13:10.52 | xeon-enouf | bodobacs: amd64 port |
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| 13:11.18 | xeon-enouf | bodobacs: ia64 is for itanium CPUs only |
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| 13:11.53 | Titan8990 | bodobacs, what benefits? |
| 13:12.09 | bodobacs | faster, more memory |
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| 13:12.10 | xeon-enouf | good question |
| 13:12.10 | Titan8990 | still need an itanium box |
| 13:12.23 | Titan8990 | bodobacs, more memory, yes; faster, no |
| 13:12.32 | xeon-enouf | and slower in some cases |
| 13:12.35 | iateadonut | is it ok to put a 2gb stick and a 1 gb stick in a linux box? |
| 13:12.36 | iateadonut | i heard that wasn't a good idea, but i don't know if that's specific to the OS or what. |
| 13:12.36 | bodobacs | xeon-enouf, thx! and what about with this SMP kernel thing? |
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| 13:12.51 | superlinux | hi all |
| 13:12.55 | Titan8990 | iateadonut, no, thats board specific |
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| 13:13.06 | xeon-enouf | iateadonut: it's fine - it's all a matter of your chipset/cpu, and how they handle it |
| 13:13.10 | Titan8990 | iateadonut, and usually bad because the RAM will not run in a dual channel mode |
| 13:13.23 | superlinux | how can i skip some files from being backup-ed using tar? |
| 13:13.38 | xeon-enouf | bodobacs: SMP allows for multicore goodness |
| 13:13.38 | Titan8990 | superlinux, --explude=foobar |
| 13:13.44 | iateadonut | so i should find out what my board is then look it up on their website? |
| 13:14.00 | Titan8990 | superlinux, i i think you can use an exclude file like rsync: --exclude-file=file.txt |
| 13:14.15 | xeon-enouf | bodobacs: all debian kernels, except the -486 one, are SMP-aware, and will do the right thing |
| 13:14.18 | superlinux | or how can i exclude files from the addintion to a tar? |
| 13:14.29 | xeon-enouf | bodobacs: (as far as x86 is concerned) |
| 13:14.31 | Titan8990 | superlinux, --exclude |
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| 13:14.37 | Titan8990 | superlinux, man tar |
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| 13:14.59 | xeon-enouf | iateadonut: that's always a good idea anyway |
| 13:15.00 | superlinux | Tiffon, what if i want to skip a list of file extensions? |
| 13:15.08 | superlinux | Titan8990, , what if i want to skip a list of file extensions? |
| 13:15.09 | bodobacs | xeon-enouf, :D ok, thanks! |
| 13:15.16 | Titan8990 | it accepts patterns |
| 13:15.25 | Titan8990 | use --exclude='*.iso' |
| 13:15.37 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 13:15.49 | superlinux | i mean like iso and wav and mp3 all at once? |
| 13:16.00 | abrotman | use more than one --exclude |
| 13:16.08 | superlinux | ok |
| 13:16.11 | superlinux | i'll try |
| 13:16.54 | Acheron | xeon-enouf: During the console, but it worked with a normal monitor. |
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| 13:20.35 | Acheron | xeon-enouf: Can I talk with you in pm? |
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| 13:21.20 | xeon-enouf | Acheron: no ... no need to - plus it's better to keep it in channel anyway |
| 13:21.45 | abrotman | how else would we correct xeon-enouf |
| 13:22.00 | Acheron | ok, well what do I need to do to install the "unstable" dist? just sources.list or something else too? |
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| 13:22.29 | fireba11 | Acheron: sounds like more debian knowledge would help too ;-) |
| 13:22.33 | abrotman | Acheron: if you have to ask, you should not |
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| 13:24.49 | Acheron | abrotman: I am on a seperate machine so nothing is in danger of me screwing up the system. |
| 13:24.59 | abrotman | doesn't matter |
| 13:25.32 | Acheron | Well I need to anyways. :P |
| 13:25.48 | abrotman | time to learn |
| 13:25.50 | Acheron | I need to compile vlc and debian lenny stable cannot do that. |
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| 13:26.13 | abrotman | lenny already has vlc |
| 13:26.24 | Acheron | Not the latest version. |
| 13:26.32 | abrotman | judd: versions vlc |
| 13:26.33 | judd | abrotman: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 sid: 1.0.1-1+b1 squeeze: 1.0.1-1+b1 |
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| 13:27.05 | Acheron | See? :P |
| 13:27.18 | abrotman | and what do you so desperately need from new vlc ? |
| 13:27.26 | Acheron | playlist is broken in the older one. |
| 13:27.46 | Acheron | At random times it says it has 0 playlist items in the mozilla plugin. |
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| 13:27.58 | Acheron | Which ruins things for me. |
| 13:28.45 | Acheron | So anyone gonna help me or not? |
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| 13:29.02 | bryans | What's your issue? |
| 13:29.13 | fireba11 | Acheron: did you check for a backport? |
| 13:29.22 | Acheron | Backport? |
| 13:29.30 | abrotman | Acheron: look .. if you don't know how to get to unstable, you shouldn't be using it .. it *will* break |
| 13:29.46 | abrotman | and then you'll be angry when no one here helps you fix it |
| 13:30.03 | Acheron | Nah, I understand the risks. |
| 13:30.09 | Acheron | And that you do not support it. |
| 13:30.40 | fireba11 | Acheron: for cases like that there are packages on backports.org so you can have a single package from a newer version |
| 13:30.47 | abrotman | would rather fix why vlc won't compile |
| 13:31.17 | Acheron | I've tried to compile it under debian lenny but the configure complains on the current version of glibc being buggy. |
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| 13:31.47 | abrotman | and there's no way to ignore that ? |
| 13:32.01 | Acheron | I can change the configure script to skip it. |
| 13:32.08 | Acheron | But then I don't know if it will compile or not. |
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| 13:33.29 | Acheron | And since the source for vlc 1.0.1 is available in sid repos I assume it would compile easily. |
| 13:34.22 | Acheron | Or I could try to do the whole compile and install glibc from source again. |
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| 13:36.59 | zamba | is it possible to set up a box for dialing pppoe, but then only do that? and instead bridge the connection through to a router behind that does all the ethernet stuff? |
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| 13:37.15 | zamba | i'd rather not do double nat |
| 13:37.43 | petemc | Acheron: if you take a little bit of time to learn how debian works, it will be obvious how to upgrade to sid, if you really want to |
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| 13:38.59 | abrotman | zamba: you can bridge interfaces .. don't see why pppoe would be any different |
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| 13:39.57 | Acheron | How much is a little? |
| 13:40.08 | petemc | thats a stupid question |
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| 13:40.18 | Acheron | :P |
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| 13:40.35 | Acheron | Cause atm how I see it is to change sources.list then do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:40.37 | zamba | abrotman: i'm thinking bridging it on the link layer and then provide all dhcp and such info to the router behind.. |
| 13:40.41 | zamba | abrotman: would this be doable? |
| 13:40.52 | xeon-enouf | zamba: the only thing that comes to mind would be a node in the DMZ, i guess, but placing a box in front of a router could have all sorts of implications :-) |
| 13:41.08 | zamba | xeon-enouf: yeah, i'd like to avoid the DMZ approach |
| 13:41.14 | zamba | xeon-enouf: i want a "pure" bridging or whatever |
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| 13:41.24 | zamba | xeon-enouf: the box doing the dialing shouldn't be the box with the public ip |
| 13:41.38 | xeon-enouf | zamba: ##networking might be a better place to ask - though there are many here quite knowledgeable |
| 13:42.11 | xeon-enouf | (about all that - and until i do it myself, i'll remain ignorant :-p) |
| 13:42.15 | MaximusBrood | With the default config of sshd, the option UsePAM is enabled by default, while ChallengeResponseAuthentication is disabled. Why is PAM used at all here, and if I attempt to run multiple sshd instances, how does sshd know which /etc/pam.d/ config it should use? |
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| 13:43.51 | Acheron | I'm just gonna try that then and see if it works. |
| 13:43.53 | xeon-enouf | MaximusBrood: PAM is tied to shadowing and passwds - not sure that helps, but man ssh_config{d} |
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| 13:44.57 | xeon-enouf | er man ssh{d}_config i mean (and sshd) |
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| 13:45.09 | vagothcpp | What are the debian update CD's? |
| 13:45.22 | Titan8990 | CDs used for updating? |
| 13:45.22 | xeon-enouf | vagothcpp: read the page it's offered at |
| 13:45.32 | vagothcpp | Its on an FTP Server >.> |
| 13:45.50 | xeon-enouf | !lennyr2 |
| 13:45.50 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.2 was released on June 27th, 2009. This is the second update of <lenny> and the second point release to use a micro version number (i.e. 5.0.2 instead of 5.0r2). This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090627 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
| 13:46.07 | xeon-enouf | !today |
| 13:46.07 | dpkg | from memory, today is try taking a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 13:46.53 | vagothcpp | Can the updates be done within debian? |
| 13:46.59 | xeon-enouf | ofcourse |
| 13:47.10 | xeon-enouf | vagothcpp: /msg dpkg security |
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| 13:47.24 | vagothcpp | okay, thanks |
| 13:47.37 | vagothcpp | I am just putting an overnight download on |
| 13:47.49 | MaximusBrood | xeon-enouf: The manpage sshd_config doesn't tell me how PAM's config file is specified. |
| 13:47.49 | MaximusBrood | Repeating my original question: How does sshd know which /etc/pam.d/ config file it needs to use? |
| 13:48.03 | vagothcpp | I presume the KDE disc is not mandatory since I wont be using KDE |
| 13:48.13 | petemc | nothing is mandatory |
| 13:48.16 | xeon-enouf | MaximusBrood: do you not have a /etc/pam.d/ssh* ? |
| 13:48.31 | MaximusBrood | I do, but I want to run multiple instances of sshd. |
| 13:48.46 | xeon-enouf | MaximusBrood: check also the daemon options in /etc/default/ssh* |
| 13:49.04 | Titan8990 | MaximusBrood, should have pam.d/sshd |
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| 13:49.25 | vagothcpp | My ISP hosts these files on there 'free' zone, thus not counting towards my cap, or using the current shape, ill make them pay, hehehe |
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| 13:50.44 | vagothcpp | They are gonna love the 100GB I have lined up for free |
| 13:50.51 | xeon-enouf | MaximusBrood: ~$ rgrep -i pam /usr/share/doc/openssh-server is what i'd look at for more info |
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| 13:52.16 | DEBUNTU73 | HOW TO prevent fsck on JUST the next reboot (even if ext2/ext3 parameters would say so) WITHOUT using tune2fs?? (So NO change been done to the ext2/ext3 partition parameters) |
| 13:52.33 | MaximusBrood | xeon-enouf: Alright, will do. Thanks. |
| 13:52.45 | xeon-enouf | /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/faq.html /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/README with the -l option :-P |
| 13:53.49 | xeon-enouf | DEBUNTU73: why are you fighting with fsck? |
| 13:53.51 | Acheron | gnome is the std gui for debian right? |
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| 13:54.09 | azeem | Acheron: sort of |
| 13:54.30 | xeon-enouf | Acheron: one had to be chosen as default DE, if one wants a DE, so yeah |
| 13:54.40 | mosno | DEBUNTU73: a bit of a hack, but if the system has an AC adaptor (battery), just unplug the power source |
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| 13:55.20 | DEBUNTU73 | xeon-enouf: its jus as i wrote.. i just want to do ONE reboot where fsck should NOT run, even though the tune2fs parameters would say so. BUT the filesystem is CLEAN anyway... so is there a solution or not ? |
| 13:55.21 | mosno | DEBUNTU73: otherwise, have fun studying the initrd/sysvinit :) |
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| 13:56.28 | DEBUNTU73 | PREVENT FSCK ON REBOOT - i know there is a force fs ckeck "flag file" i can drop in / to force it.. but is there maybe also the same feature to PREVENT such a fscheck on next reboot ? |
| 13:56.31 | xeon-enouf | i;m not so sure what would happen if you alter the last field (for / FS) in /etc/fstab from 1 to 0 |
| 13:57.00 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, it would prevent it from being checked |
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| 13:57.25 | xeon-enouf | DEBUNTU73: /etc/default/rcS holds a FSCK= value .. but answer the question please |
| 13:57.37 | LemensTS | export PS1='\e[32;40mTCS\e[0m:\w\$\e]2;My Name\a' anyone know why this wraps what i am typing at the bash prompt before it hits the end of the line, and then it starts typing over the same line instead of going down a line? |
| 13:57.47 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: i would think so as well - just never tried |
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| 13:58.06 | abrotman | DEBUNTU73: stop with the capslock |
| 13:58.18 | abrotman | DEBUNTU73: what is `uname -a` ? |
| 13:58.32 | Titan8990 | LemensTS, the space in "My Name" maybe? |
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| 13:59.02 | LemensTS | Titan8990: How should i do a space |
| 13:59.28 | xeon-enouf | LemensTS: where's your \033 ? .. hrm |
| 13:59.39 | Titan8990 | LemensTS, sec, let me look at my PS1 |
| 14:00.52 | xeon-enouf | well, either escape it with or trythe hex; \040 |
| 14:01.20 | xeon-enouf | well, either escape it with a '\' or try the hex; \040 |
| 14:01.22 | DEBUNTU73 | abrotman: why uname ?! what do i need to know if there is a similar oposite for /forcefsck ?? |
| 14:01.29 | abrotman | DEBUNTU73: what is `uname -a` ? |
| 14:01.42 | DEBUNTU73 | why do u need it ? |
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| 14:02.03 | abrotman | you won't answer mine, i won't answer yours ... |
| 14:02.08 | xeon-enouf | DEBUNTU73: we cannot help people not using debian - we can do some serious damage ;-) |
| 14:03.04 | LemensTS | Titan: thanks that didnt help |
| 14:03.18 | LemensTS | xeon: looking that up in google |
| 14:03.32 | Titan8990 | LemensTS, well.. if an example helps here is mine: PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w \$\[\033[00m\] |
| 14:05.14 | LemensTS | yours works fine |
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| 14:05.24 | LemensTS | might be the \033 |
| 14:06.09 | xeon-enouf | http://linuxfocus.org/English/May2004/article335.shtml LemensTS |
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| 14:06.31 | DEBUNTU73 | xeon-enouf: of course its debian lenny here. 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Aug 14 01:27:18 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:06.31 | xeon-enouf | LemensTS: "\033 starts the escape sequence, with [ we are beginning the color definition. " |
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| 14:07.00 | xeon-enouf | DEBUNTU73: nice job googling :-P |
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| 14:07.20 | abrotman | DEBUNTU73: that's not what it says |
| 14:07.29 | abrotman | DEBUNTU73: please go to #ubuntu for help with Ubuntu |
| 14:07.47 | xeon-enouf | now quick! cat /proc/version ; dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 <--pastebin |
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| 14:07.52 | xeon-enouf | ;-) |
| 14:07.55 | DEBUNTU73 | xeon-enouf: u think i googled for that string ?!? ROFL! ;) you think you are smart and know me ;) but i see now... you are not . its what it is. |
| 14:08.06 | abrotman | it's not the output of that command |
| 14:08.15 | pzn | Hi. How to disable the "blank screen" feature of tty1 when there is no keyboard activity for 10 mins? |
| 14:08.47 | abrotman | !tell pzn about blank |
| 14:08.55 | xeon-enouf | pzn: IINM, DPMS settings in /etc/console*/config ? |
| 14:09.05 | DEBUNTU73 | xeon-enouf: do YOU want to tell ME what MY DEBIAN Lenny System shows up on the console of i type in uname -a ??? YOU ?? To ME ?? what a noob r u ? |
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| 14:09.30 | xeon-enouf | let's those in power handle this ;-) |
| 14:09.31 | gravity | You misspelled "wut" |
| 14:10.04 | pzn | abrotman: solved. thanks! |
| 14:10.05 | abrotman | and 'debain' .. jeez |
| 14:10.21 | gravity | Good catch |
| 14:10.22 | abrotman | pzn: it hasn't even been 10 minutes |
| 14:10.26 | DEBUNTU73 | xeon-enouf: please dont help people if you dont trust them what they answser you. this is waste of time for them/us |
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| 14:10.45 | pzn | xeon-enouf: thanks! that is the config file I needed |
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| 14:11.19 | pzn | abrotman: so I should know why mine blanks at 10mins... |
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| 14:11.29 | xeon-enouf | hrm, does .. oh ok - hehe - i was going to ask which config file is altered (if any) when one does "setterm -blank 0" heh |
| 14:11.44 | abrotman | pzn: i just meant that you said it had been solved :) |
| 14:12.12 | dnaumov | http://www.aeroxp.org/2009/08/fsf-violates-creative-commons/ :) |
| 14:12.31 | xeon-enouf | DEBUNTU73: i don't think you should be trying to give others 'advice' ;-) |
| 14:12.43 | abrotman | hands enouf a /ignore |
| 14:12.45 | pzn | abrotman: sorry... not a native english... I misunderstood when you said about 10 mins. It is not tested yet... |
| 14:13.02 | xeon-enouf | accepts |
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| 14:15.01 | gravity | dnaumov: The guy from the FSF who wrote that page responded in the comments |
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| 14:16.35 | gravity | Although he's more subtle about it than the other guy who goes in to depth |
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| 14:20.43 | hudu | Can someone please give me guidance on how to upgrade to GTK+ 2.10? |
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| 14:20.51 | abrotman | in what? |
| 14:21.23 | hudu | abrotman: for firefox |
| 14:21.33 | hudu | in debian |
| 14:21.44 | abrotman | hudu: which version of debian ? |
| 14:22.02 | hudu | how do I figure out which version i have? |
| 14:22.11 | abrotman | !version |
| 14:22.11 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 14:22.11 | w0rmh0le | I am a version 1.1.0 PyBorg |
| 14:23.03 | abrotman | w0rmh0le: go away please |
| 14:23.34 | SlayerXP | greetings to any Debian people I met at the Debian UK OMGWTFBBQ over the weekend |
| 14:23.45 | hudu | abrotman: from a command prompt, I typt in !version and get bash: !version event not found |
| 14:24.02 | xeon-enouf | ... |
| 14:24.09 | abrotman | SlayerXP: you didn't even wave to me |
| 14:24.19 | abrotman | hudu: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:24.22 | SlayerXP | abrotman: were you there? |
| 14:24.43 | hudu | abrotman: 4.0 |
| 14:24.57 | SlayerXP | given I spent several hours manning the bbq, you have no excuse for having no talked to me if so :) |
| 14:24.58 | abrotman | SlayerXP: no, but you could have waved ... |
| 14:25.04 | Titan8990 | promotes use of /etc/issue > debian_version |
| 14:25.38 | Acheron | I'm getting a xorg /dev/fb0 no such file or directory error. |
| 14:25.47 | Acheron | Ideas? |
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| 14:26.32 | Acheron | And it doesn't seem to have made a xorg.conf |
| 14:27.50 | hudu | Searching synaptic for gtk+ doesn't seem to be the way ... and the google isn't giving me much direction |
| 14:28.14 | abrotman | hudu: it would be easier to upgrade your box to lenny |
| 14:28.47 | LemensTS | export PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]TCS:\[\033[01;34m\] \w \$\[\033[00m\] \[\e]2;XTERM TitleBar\a' |
| 14:28.56 | LemensTS | that one works without bugs |
| 14:29.04 | justin | !wayttd hudu |
| 14:29.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, hudu? |
| 14:29.05 | LemensTS | finally |
| 14:29.06 | hudu | abrotman: I've never upgraded my box other than to start with a fresh install ... I'm guessing there is a way to upgrade my box without wiping everything |
| 14:29.38 | abrotman | !tell hudu about etch->lenny |
| 14:29.46 | abrotman | justin: get gtk2.10 working on etch |
| 14:29.48 | hudu | dpkg: I'm trying to upgrade to gtk+ 2.10 or better |
| 14:29.48 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, hudu |
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| 14:30.18 | justin | abrotman: most likely he is doing that to accomplish something else |
| 14:30.20 | arvind_khadri | hudu, why do you want it? |
| 14:30.30 | abrotman | justin: FF3.x on etch |
| 14:30.34 | quentusrex | Does anyone know how to get opencl, not gl, installed on debian? |
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| 14:30.46 | quentusrex | I'd like to start playing with it and can't seem to find a package... |
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| 14:30.52 | xeon-enouf | hudu: <dpkg> in here, is a channel bot |
| 14:30.54 | gravity | hudu: Why do you want 2.10? |
| 14:30.54 | arvind_khadri | hudu, why dont you use Iceweasel? |
| 14:31.12 | hudu | arvind_khadri: I tried to install and run a package that then told me that it wouldn't run unless i had gtk+ 2.10 or better |
| 14:31.19 | \amethyst | abrotman: etch only has IW 2.0 |
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| 14:31.34 | abrotman | \amethyst: i'm aware of this |
| 14:31.37 | \amethyst | hudu: upgrading to lenny will give you a newer gtk+ as well as iceweasel 3.0 |
| 14:31.43 | abrotman | he's the one that wants it .. not me |
| 14:31.49 | arvind_khadri | hudu, ok, from where did you install it? what app |
| 14:31.50 | \amethyst | abrotman: oops, that was for arvind_khadri |
| 14:32.00 | hudu | \amethyst: thanks ... I'll get to working on that :D |
| 14:33.09 | arvind_khadri | \amethyst, oh ok... |
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| 14:40.42 | factor | I get a segmentation fault on apt-get under unstable has that been a current error |
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| 14:40.59 | jelly | !apt breakage |
| 14:40.59 | dpkg | from memory, apt breakage is fixed in apt 0.7.23.1 |
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| 14:41.03 | factor | and anyone now a fix to get around it, and getit back to working |
| 14:41.17 | jelly | use aptitude to install fixed apt? |
| 14:41.29 | Titan8990 | factor, if a working machine was priority, unstable wasn't the best choice |
| 14:41.39 | jelly | factor: or download it manually and install using dpkg |
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| 14:41.45 | factor | apt 0.7.23 for i386 compiled on Aug 27 2009 15:11:40 |
| 14:41.58 | factor | I had to upgrade testing was borked |
| 14:42.10 | factor | and had a presentation to do the next day |
| 14:42.13 | factor | worked |
| 14:42.17 | factor | so it was a good move |
| 14:42.18 | Titan8990 | again, a bad choice for working machine being priority |
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| 14:42.24 | factor | but now I am stuck with the apt issue |
| 14:42.25 | Titan8990 | lenny is called "stable" for a reason |
| 14:42.32 | factor | but I will upgrade manualy by dpkg |
| 14:42.33 | factor | thanks |
| 14:42.43 | jelly | if (presentation the next day) {DONT UPGRADE ANYTHING} |
| 14:42.45 | factor | I only use stable for servers. |
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| 14:43.03 | Titan8990 | then don't be alarmed when your desktops break |
| 14:43.04 | jelly | common sense, really |
| 14:43.24 | factor | well it wason dcop and dbus and aptgot a dbus item and it broke some other stuff |
| 14:43.26 | Titan8990 | you have backups, right? |
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| 14:43.41 | factor | everyting is fine just need to upgrade apt |
| 14:43.50 | coolguy4 | hi, I want to install 32bit firefox on 64bit ubuntu. What is the best way to do this? I've seen a few different methods through googling |
| 14:44.01 | jelly | coolguy4: best to ask #ubuntu |
| 14:44.10 | Titan8990 | !tell coolguy4 about ubuntu |
| 14:44.27 | coolguy4 | they don't know ;) . I thought /usr/lib32 was a debian thing |
| 14:44.37 | jelly | !they don't know |
| 14:44.37 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 14:44.45 | coolguy4 | haha |
| 14:44.57 | jelly | it's quite rude, but correct |
| 14:44.58 | Titan8990 | jelly, thats a good one |
| 14:45.08 | coolguy4 | no problem |
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| 14:46.00 | jelly | sorry, other distros may make assumptions or changes unknown to people here, better not to offer any advice than to possibly make your system even more broken |
| 14:47.15 | factor | Thanks all apt is working agan |
| 14:47.15 | apt | de rien, factor |
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| 14:50.25 | SerajewelKS | what's the difference between mdadm --add and --re-add? |
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| 14:51.44 | jelly | an obvious difference would make itself clear if one was using write-intent bitmaps |
| 14:52.23 | SerajewelKS | jelly: well in the manpage there is no indication given under those options about how they are different |
| 14:52.40 | jelly | (ie a re-added mirror would be able to just redo the changes up to that point) |
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| 14:53.12 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 14:53.26 | SerajewelKS | how can i determine if that's in use? |
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| 14:53.35 | SerajewelKS | mdadm -D doesn't seem to display that info |
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| 14:55.18 | SerajewelKS | i created the raid using the lenny installer |
| 14:55.32 | jelly | not a default, so if you didn't enable it explicitely, you don't have it |
| 14:55.46 | SerajewelKS | ok |
| 14:56.25 | MaximusBrood | I'm upgrading from etch to lenny. The upgrade guide is telling me I should use 'upgrade' for a minimal upgrade, but upon invoking that command, aptitude tells me 'upgrade' is deprecated, and I should use 'safe-upgrade'. Is there any difference here; what should I use? |
| 14:56.41 | kc8pxy | abrotman: the build from sid sources is not working.. keeps failing tests. |
| 14:57.07 | mhymn | MaximusBrood: safe-upgrade |
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| 14:57.20 | Titan8990 | MaximusBrood, upgrade uses safe-upgrade, i believe its telling you that in the future safe-upgrade will be required |
| 14:57.36 | abrotman | kc8pxy: going to need more info than that |
| 14:57.56 | MaximusBrood | Titan8990: Ah, alright. Thanks. |
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| 14:58.33 | Titan8990 | MaximusBrood, usually you run into package becoming broken, i usually just remove them and reinstall them prior to upgrade |
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| 14:58.45 | Titan8990 | MaximusBrood, make sure you have made a backup before starting |
| 14:59.02 | MaximusBrood | I'm following the guide by the letter, so I should be fine. |
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| 15:00.01 | DeathWolf | I need a way in a shell script to quickly get the /etc/hosts resolve of an adress, and I'd rather not have to grep&sed on it. Any suggestions? both dig, nslookup and host seem to actually use the dns servers. |
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| 15:00.23 | Stereo | DeathWolf: awk :) |
| 15:00.38 | DeathWolf | still sounds dirty:) |
| 15:00.42 | MaximusBrood | Butterflies can probably be used too. |
| 15:00.44 | abrotman | what's wrong with grep ? |
| 15:00.50 | DeathWolf | I'm more enquiring of some base tool I would have forgotten about. |
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| 15:01.23 | kc8pxy | Failed 3/508 tests, 99.41% were successful. |
| 15:01.23 | kc8pxy | Failing test(s): main.information_schema_chmod main.trigger rpl.rpl_rotate_logs |
| 15:01.44 | justin | DeathWolf: python |
| 15:01.50 | DeathWolf | now you're making it slow |
| 15:01.55 | justin | DeathWolf: import socket, socket.gethostbyname('foo') |
| 15:01.57 | DeathWolf | I'd rather perl if that's the case |
| 15:02.01 | justin | then use perl |
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| 15:02.11 | kc8pxy | abrotman: you see that? |
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| 15:02.25 | DeathWolf | I was more wondering if dig/nslookup/host would have an option to use local resolve first:) |
| 15:02.44 | DeathWolf | (checked mans but didnt see anything, but figured I might have missed them) |
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| 15:02.49 | abrotman | kc8pxy: i don't even know what that means |
| 15:03.28 | kc8pxy | abrotman: i don't either, except it choked on errors, and those are the only reports i see detailing them. |
| 15:03.49 | Pryon | DeathWolf: nsswitch.conf? |
| 15:03.58 | kc8pxy | abrotman: do you want me to tee and pastebin the build? |
| 15:04.06 | hark | DeathWolf: getent |
| 15:04.53 | DeathWolf | sweet hakr |
| 15:04.58 | DeathWolf | had completly forgotten about it |
| 15:05.41 | DeathWolf | though getent returns the whole line |
| 15:05.44 | DeathWolf | so not that different from a grep |
| 15:05.45 | DeathWolf | mmmph |
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| 15:06.54 | justin | DeathWolf: you are over thinking things. |
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| 15:07.25 | DeathWolf | well I'm settling for getent hosts myhost|sed 's! .*!!' |
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| 15:07.51 | justin | DeathWolf: |cut -d ' ' -f 1 |
| 15:07.53 | wam | How can I do traffic shaping in a bridged firewall based on netfilter for my subnets to the internet? |
| 15:08.05 | justin | DeathWolf: or just read the whole file once and store it into an array and do lookups |
| 15:08.09 | DeathWolf | true, cut's less pain |
| 15:08.12 | justin | but like I said, you are over thinking things |
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| 15:17.41 | gps23 | hi |
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| 15:18.27 | gps23 | is there some way to know the installation date of linux? |
| 15:18.44 | abrotman | kc8pxy: seems like a mysql error ? |
| 15:18.52 | abrotman | gps23: debian or linux ? |
| 15:19.09 | gps23 | debian specifically |
| 15:19.24 | justin | ls -tl /var/log|tail |
| 15:19.26 | justin | that usually works pretty well |
| 15:19.51 | PassingStranger | gps23: creation date of /etc or something like that? |
| 15:20.08 | avu | there's no such thing as a 'creation date' |
| 15:20.24 | gps23 | PassingStranger, i tried checking the creation dates but different files have different dates |
| 15:20.32 | avu | again. |
| 15:20.32 | gps23 | also these are modify dates |
| 15:20.40 | avu | no such thing as creation dates :) |
| 15:21.29 | cahoot | gps23: ext3? |
| 15:21.36 | gps23 | yeah |
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| 15:21.46 | justin | lenny has /var/log/installer at least |
| 15:21.51 | cahoot | mybe the date of lost+found? |
| 15:22.23 | avu | if there were never any lost+founds that is. checking /var/log as justing suggested still seems like the best idea |
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| 15:22.53 | justin | jasper:~# grep clock /var/log/installer/syslog |
| 15:22.56 | justin | Jun 11 11:54:41 kernel: [ 0.925745] rtc_cmos 00:04: setting system clock to 2009-06-11 11:54:38 UTC (1244721278) |
| 15:23.22 | gps23 | justin, there is a file /var/log/installer/hardware-summary, a date is written on the 1st line. can i trust that date? |
| 15:23.47 | \amethyst | !faq rename |
| 15:23.47 | dpkg | rename: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC |
| 15:23.49 | \amethyst | doh |
| 15:23.54 | justin | gps23: no, that is the date the kernel was built |
| 15:23.57 | justin | gps23: look at the syslog file |
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| 15:24.07 | weldan____ | hai |
| 15:24.29 | gps23 | justin, oh thats why that date and date on /var/log/installer/syslog were different |
| 15:24.49 | weldan____ | huawei e1762 <- has anyone ever success with this usb 3g modem in lenny? |
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| 15:25.32 | PassingStranger | avu: that makes it even more strange. what's the difference between modify and change date. whatever... i made a dumb mistake... |
| 15:25.51 | avu | PassingStranger, ctime is metadata change time |
| 15:25.52 | gps23 | justin, i got the date in syslog file itself. thanks pal |
| 15:25.58 | avu | PassingStranger, mtime is data modification |
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| 15:27.51 | gps23 | cahoot, date of lost+found returned by 'ls -l' also agrees with that. thanks |
| 15:28.44 | sylar | which fs is recommended for 6TB fs? |
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| 15:34.53 | PassingStranger | sylar: i'm not recommending anything since i cant even tell the difference between mtime, ctime, and atime ;) but it really depends on your needs. and it depends on the kind of drive you are using. and on a lot of other factors... |
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| 15:36.08 | yezariaely | hi guys |
| 15:36.13 | yezariaely | perhaps someone can help me |
| 15:36.24 | yezariaely | i have a server with a load of > 80 ! |
| 15:36.33 | dhodgkin | is there a repo where I can get the latest KDE 4.3 for lenny amd64? |
| 15:36.38 | yezariaely | and whenever i want to look at the processes with top, ps, htop, whatever |
| 15:36.44 | yezariaely | the shell freezes |
| 15:36.50 | yezariaely | any ideas what i can do? |
| 15:36.56 | jmarsden | sylar: Maybe ext4 if you trust it? Or XFS? Make sure you really need a 6TB filesystem before you do that. A few smaller ones (each under 2TB) may be easier to manage and back up... and what you will be using the fs for is relevant too, as PassingStranger says. |
| 15:37.56 | PassingStranger | sylar: have a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 15:38.01 | jmarsden | yezariaely: renice your shell so it has priority and try again. renice -10 $$ # might be a good start. |
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| 15:39.18 | PassingStranger | sylar jmarsden: i kind of like what nilfs2 promises. as i said earlier. it all depends... |
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| 15:40.29 | jmarsden | PassingStranger: nilfs2 is *extremely* new and so relatively untested... I'd rather let other people find the bugs :) |
| 15:40.58 | PassingStranger | jmarsden: yeah. :) |
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| 15:43.19 | yezariaely | jmarsden: this does not help. top works now, however, the %cpu is below 5%. when looking at /proc/ there are many processes (about 500) |
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| 15:44.22 | jmarsden | If top works now, then it helped, right! So the machine is slow because you have too many processes either using all your RAM or doing lots of IO. Determine which ones you can safely kill... |
| 15:44.56 | yezariaely | the problem is, i can't see all the processes, because top does only show top 50 or whatever |
| 15:45.26 | justin | yezariaely: you can sort top |
| 15:45.30 | justin | or install something nicer like htop |
| 15:45.39 | gravity | htop++ |
| 15:45.42 | yezariaely | justin: htop immediately freezes |
| 15:45.44 | jmarsden | yezariaely: Or use ps instead, or use htop and scroll down with the arrow keys..., lots of possibilities |
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| 15:45.51 | yezariaely | ps freezes too |
| 15:45.54 | gravity | procedit-mode is good too if you've got emacs23 |
| 15:46.11 | yezariaely | no, no emacs :-/ |
| 15:46.14 | jmarsden | gravity: On a machine with aload average of 80, starting up emacs is probably not wise :) |
| 15:46.22 | gravity | heh |
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| 15:47.29 | dnaumov | http://blog.backblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/backblaze-storage-pod-partially-assembled-large.jpg geek porn really |
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| 15:48.29 | blahblah | i don't know if i should ask this here but all channels are dead |
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| 15:48.41 | blahblah | question .. i have a 2wire router w/ internet .. i have dlink wbr-1310 in another rooom .. there a way i can turn the wbr-1310 into an ap so it can get internet from the 2wire ? |
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| 15:49.11 | petemc | blahblah: if it can run wrt |
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| 15:49.37 | blahblah | i keep hearing wrt |
| 15:49.45 | blahblah | well seeing it on the internet |
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| 15:50.06 | petemc | it opens up otherwise unusable features on wireless devices |
| 15:51.26 | blahblah | unstable ? |
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| 15:55.21 | PassingStranger | avu: BTW, thank you for correcting me earlier! :) |
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| 15:56.02 | Orbixx | I have a minimal installation of Debian Lenny and I want to install a desktop environment, how can I do this? |
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| 15:56.57 | arvind_khadri | Orbixx, aptitude install it |
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| 15:57.24 | yezariaely | mmh it gets, worse |
| 15:57.29 | yezariaely | now load > 90 |
| 15:57.35 | yezariaely | any ideas what i can do? |
| 15:57.47 | arvind_khadri | !tell Orbixx about install gnome |
| 15:57.52 | yezariaely | atm i try to kill processes using /proc/ and find |
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| 15:58.16 | Orbixx | Thanks arvind_khadri :> |
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| 15:59.31 | flourish | for slapd 2.4.11-1, it use guntls instead openssl, so for ssl, i cannot use cipher list HIGH:MEDIUM:+SSLv2 anymore. But i don't know which suite should i use of gnutls, can someone help me |
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| 15:59.57 | arvind_khadri | Orbixx, np :) |
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| 16:02.44 | edsmaffs | if i install Debian will i be able to get my WPN111 adapter to work with it? i managed to get it to work with ndiswrapper in ubuntu before, shall i give it a go? |
| 16:03.12 | valdyn | edsmaffs: ndiswrapper is in debian too |
| 16:03.19 | edsmaffs | ok, should be fine then |
| 16:03.34 | edsmaffs | does it come on the downloadable CD or will i need to transfer ndiswrapper over on USB stick? |
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| 16:03.41 | valdyn | edsmaffs: no reason why it should behave differently than in ubuntu except by versioning of kernel or ndiswrapper. Both can be adjusted though |
| 16:03.53 | valdyn | edsmaffs: its probably on the first cd |
| 16:04.01 | valdyn | !cd contents |
| 16:04.01 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 16:04.46 | edsmaffs | excellent, thank you very much |
| 16:04.54 | valdyn | Orbixx: something like "aptitude install xorg gnome" |
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| 16:05.22 | malgar | hello.. i have a problem with nvidia drivers and my video card (geforce mx440) http://pastebin.com/d50e67f68 suggestions? |
| 16:06.46 | valdyn | malgar: the driver is not properly installed |
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| 16:07.14 | malgar | valdyn, i installed it using sh xxxxx.run and i haven't to do anything |
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| 16:08.21 | valdyn | malgar: ok, you probably have a version mismatch there having installed different nvidia drivers, you are also running sidux not debian. The sh *.run method is also entirely unsupported by debian |
| 16:08.36 | malgar | valdyn, ok |
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| 16:11.58 | yezariaely | mmh any ideas why kill -9 27228 does not kill the process? it is still there and i am root |
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| 16:12.57 | unop | yezariaely, what's the state of the process in the process table? |
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| 16:13.14 | yezariaely | sorry i cant access the process table, it freezes :-( |
| 16:13.17 | abrotman | yezariaely: is it a zombie ? |
| 16:13.22 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 16:13.22 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 16:15.06 | yezariaely | abrotman: can i get the state using /proc, somehow? |
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| 16:15.51 | yezariaely | abrotman: it says State: D (disk sleep) |
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| 16:16.24 | mythomaniac | how do i find what sensors are being used for check the cpu/mb/fan speed? |
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| 16:16.45 | mythomaniac | err cpu/md temp and fan speed? |
| 16:17.11 | droid | sensors-detect ? |
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| 16:17.37 | mythomaniac | droid, that is used to set up the senors, but i need to find which ones are being used... |
| 16:17.57 | unop | yezariaely, that means the process is waiting on some IO (disk,network,etc) to complete it's task -- you can't kill a process in this state |
| 16:18.15 | yezariaely | unop: so waiting is my only option? |
| 16:18.20 | yezariaely | how about reboot? |
| 16:18.46 | unop | yezariaely, or perhaps, figuring out what IO it is depending on and troubleshooting that problem |
| 16:19.04 | unop | yezariaely, a reboot will work - if you can afford to. |
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| 16:20.23 | droid | at the end you have the module list in use |
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| 16:23.39 | mythomaniac | droid thanks |
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| 16:24.19 | yezariaely | unop: the problem is, that there are 64 ps (!) processes waiting for io ?! so i really don't know what makes them waiting for io |
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| 16:25.00 | unop | yezariaely, what is the name of this process? |
| 16:25.09 | yezariaely | ps |
| 16:25.15 | yezariaely | /usr/bin/ps |
| 16:25.18 | yezariaely | i think |
| 16:25.21 | unop | ps itself? |
| 16:25.25 | yezariaely | ey |
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| 16:25.26 | yezariaely | yes |
| 16:25.29 | unop | heh - are you sure? |
| 16:25.29 | yezariaely | ps itself |
| 16:25.32 | yezariaely | yes |
| 16:25.41 | yezariaely | mom let me paste the listing ... |
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| 16:29.22 | yezariaely | unop: http://debian.pastebin.com/d2cdd55b |
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| 16:29.33 | yezariaely | (sorry, the pstree lines got crashed :-( ) |
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| 16:32.35 | yezariaely | unop: any ideas? |
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| 16:33.53 | yaaar | howdy |
| 16:33.54 | unop | yezariaely, not really, no |
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| 16:41.25 | murder | After upgrading from 2.6.30.4-grsec to .5 I'm having problems while using mutt to send mail. |
| 16:41.29 | murder | sendmail: fatal: inet_addr_local[getifaddrs]: getifaddrs: Operation not permitted |
| 16:41.38 | murder | Someone happens to know about it? |
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| 16:43.02 | sylar | jmarsden, PassingStranger , I am gona use it for shared work in the office, with raid6, and 8 1TB hds |
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| 16:43.36 | sylar | I wonder if there are stuff to make shared work work |
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| 16:43.55 | Evet | brb |
| 16:44.46 | harryirene | hi can anyone advise me on the best way to boot into my debian install after messing up grub? |
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| 16:45.23 | solars | trying to ifup a rndis device (my phone) but I keep getting this: http://pastie.org/601653 does anyone know what could cause that? |
| 16:45.57 | petemc | harryirene: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 16:47.03 | hoopy | something is messed up with my debian installation. i started out w/ etch and moved to lenny. now i want to move to squeeze and no matter what i put in my sources list it seems like at least 25% of them will 404 |
| 16:47.19 | hoopy | and then sometimes it will say that it can't verify a public key |
| 16:48.05 | justin | !+archive-key |
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| 16:48.11 | azeem | hoopy: put your sources.list on a pastebin |
| 16:48.19 | justin | gmm |
| 16:48.31 | harryirene | petemc: first i have to boot it though, right? |
| 16:48.55 | justin | !+new archive key |
| 16:48.55 | dpkg | If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be receiving this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>. |
| 16:48.58 | justin | there we go :) |
| 16:49.00 | petemc | harryirene: with a cd or some such, yes |
| 16:49.49 | harryirene | petemc: i tried booting rescue mode with my install cd, but either i'm retarded or it's not working... |
| 16:49.50 | hoopy | ... why is pastebin covered in porn? |
| 16:49.57 | xeon-enouf | hoopy: or /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 16:50.27 | hoopy | http://pastebin.com/m7651fbe |
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| 16:50.54 | Rorschach | hi |
| 16:51.01 | petemc | harryirene: you'll have to be more specific if you want any help |
| 16:51.11 | hoopy | xeon-enouf: i can use the machine just fine, i just jacked up my apt |
| 16:51.47 | Rorschach | is there a way to update a debian-installationcd? So I just want to bring the packages on the cd up to date thus that further installations don't need to upgrade these packages anymore |
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| 16:52.31 | hyo | hi i have 3 machines and would like to keep one folder in sync on all machines without input from me (automated synchronization) any suggestions ? |
| 16:52.47 | nsadmin | keep it in one place |
| 16:52.52 | petemc | unop: unison |
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| 16:53.08 | harryirene | petemc: sorry, i booted cd to "rescue" mode and tried to "execute shell in root" but any partition i tried would not start a shell.. |
| 16:53.09 | xeon-enouf | hoopy: sorry, wrong nick .. i meant harryirene |
| 16:53.11 | hyo | nsadmin: this is not possible as the three machines are not connected |
| 16:53.20 | hyo | petemc: any text based tools? |
| 16:53.25 | nsadmin | then how will you sync them |
| 16:54.01 | hyo | nsadmin: different ways, sometimes i will attach a usbnetwork, sometimes it might be bluetooth, sometimes it might be wifi, they are not all online at the same time etc |
| 16:54.15 | xeon-enouf | hoopy: if someone asked for info posted to pastebin, it would behoove you to use their nick when posting the URL, i'd think |
| 16:54.19 | petemc | harryirene: you can access a shell using alt-f2 |
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| 16:54.39 | hoopy | azeem: http://pastebin.com/m7651fbe |
| 16:54.43 | nsadmin | well of course there will need to be at least a connection between the one with the latest copy and the one you want to sync it to |
| 16:54.58 | hoopy | well... i have to go now anyway |
| 16:54.58 | petemc | harryirene: also, /msg dpkg rescue mode |
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| 16:55.04 | hyo | nsadmin: ....yes? |
| 16:55.52 | hyo | nsadmin: so my question is how do i keep them in sync the best way?, what tools should i look into etc. perhaps even ideas on how to do it if somebody has experience of this |
| 16:56.05 | xeon-enouf | Rorschach: /msg dpkg cdd (i suppose) or look at the bootcd pkg, or maybe #debian-live |
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| 16:56.22 | nsadmin | petemc had an idea for you... no idea if it works under the conditions you state |
| 16:56.25 | harryirene | petemc: sorry, what is "/msg" |
| 16:56.34 | xeon-enouf | Rorschach: or,for Lenny, just grab the latest 5.0.2a, IINM |
| 16:56.52 | petemc | harryirene: its a command to type into your irc client, just like how you're typing text now |
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| 16:57.22 | xeon-enouf | Rorschach: there will always be some form of updates/fixes (mostly security i suppose) for even Stable |
| 16:57.35 | nsadmin | hyo petemc implied you should look into somethign called "unison" |
| 16:57.58 | xeon-enouf | hyo: raid1is an option ;-) |
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| 16:58.06 | xeon-enouf | oh |
| 16:58.09 | hyo | nsadmin: yes but its a gui tool, so i replied to him that i was looking for something texbased |
| 16:58.11 | hyo | text |
| 16:58.14 | harryirene | petemc: ok, thanks, i'll try alt + F2 |
| 16:58.22 | xeon-enouf | hyo: rsync? |
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| 16:58.24 | petemc | harryirene: read the messages from dpkg |
| 16:58.47 | hyo | xeon-enouf: rsync only syncs A to B not bidirectional atleast i dont think it is |
| 16:58.51 | ustunozgur_ | can one mount a tar file as a disk? it is not zipped, just tarred. |
| 16:58.53 | nsadmin | hyo: a lot of requirements there :P |
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| 16:58.54 | hyo | this is a bit why im asking |
| 16:59.07 | xeon-enouf | hyo: not biderectional? ... um ... |
| 16:59.20 | hyo | nsadmin: not really just syncing between three folders in a terminal |
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| 16:59.41 | hyo | xeon-enouf: i might as well just install svn/git |
| 16:59.42 | xeon-enouf | ustunozgur_: untar it and loop mount whichever one you need to |
| 17:00.09 | nsadmin | is afk; I suppose hyo will find a way even if he has to write it himself... |
| 17:00.36 | hyo | nsadmin: :P |
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| 17:01.42 | xeon-enouf | hyo: if you update B over A, then you just rsync that back to A - problem? |
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| 17:03.47 | hyo | xeon-enouf: lets say i add files to a folder on machine A, andlater i add some on machine B, if A syncs to B then then Bwill not have the new changes so B cant sync to A anymore |
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| 17:04.06 | hyo | i guess i need a third folder that diffs everything then merges |
| 17:04.52 | hyo | this is not very complicated so i was thinking somebody must have done this |
| 17:05.15 | petemc | have you even looked at what i suggested? |
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| 17:06.16 | hyo | petemc: its a gui tool, im looking for a text based application |
| 17:06.23 | petemc | wrong |
| 17:06.47 | hyo | ok i will look at it |
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| 17:07.40 | hyo | petemc: thanks ill try this out, it looks like it could work |
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| 17:08.09 | fxiny | unison is the only one you can use : you dunno which machine will be up at the same time , two at least ... |
| 17:08.13 | xeon-enouf | seems to me, in that scenario, a central repo from which to pull from would work best; svn, or even some form of clustering |
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| 17:09.28 | Rorschach | xeon-enouf: I know that there will always be fixes ;) But I will just speeding up the installation by not having the clients all do a longer apt-get upgrade right after installation |
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| 17:10.38 | Rorschach | s/I will/I want/ |
| 17:10.45 | xeon-enouf | Rorschach: everytime a 5.0.x is released - you get the latest and greatest, prebuilt for you ;-) |
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| 17:12.00 | Rorschach | yes I know but sometimes I have to install about 100 clients via preseeding and it would be cool if I could prior of that remaster a debian-installercd to contain all updates until that exact moment |
| 17:12.29 | hyo | petemc: ok this will work but will require some scripts to automate it, and xeon-enouf yeah i will have to make it centralized, i think svn is a bit overkill for what i need, its a good idea if this unison thing dont work out |
| 17:12.55 | dbbolton | is it possible to make apt prefer packages built locally from debianized source to packages of the same version in the repository of my default release? |
| 17:12.56 | sylar | to connect two computers with the serial cable, do I need a null modem type of cable? |
| 17:13.08 | xeon-enouf | maybe even git hyo |
| 17:13.38 | hyo | xeon-enouf: yeah i etckeeper and its great, its basically what i need so i might try that and check out how its built up |
| 17:13.45 | hyo | (it uses git) |
| 17:13.47 | xeon-enouf | sylar: depends; it might work without one, (non-crossover) all depends on NIC abilities |
| 17:14.07 | petemc | serial != nic |
| 17:14.12 | sylar | xeon-enouf, NIC? |
| 17:14.27 | xeon-enouf | hyo: i've heard some issues using etckeeper, so i rsync my /etc/ as a backup ;-) |
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| 17:14.34 | Rorschach | dbbolton: you can pin your own package, just google apt pinning |
| 17:14.36 | xeon-enouf | !NIC |
| 17:14.36 | dpkg | nic is, like, (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network. Network Information Center |
| 17:14.54 | xeon-enouf | ethtool can print out capabilities |
| 17:15.13 | petemc | sylar: yes, is the answer |
| 17:15.14 | xeon-enouf | i ofrget the terminology offhand -it's odd |
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| 17:15.37 | xeon-enouf | oh- sorry - serial -- my bad |
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| 17:16.01 | xeon-enouf | then yeah ... my blood sugar level is low ... |
| 17:16.07 | DaveDorm | hiya... silly problem, probably an easy fix |
| 17:16.13 | DaveDorm | I am just too dense to see it, I am sure |
| 17:16.16 | DaveDorm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:16.19 | dbbolton | Rorschach i read about pinning, but the only things i've seen deal with release or version. my packages have the same release and version as the repo |
| 17:16.27 | sylar | petemc, ty |
| 17:16.36 | hyo | xeon-enouf: backup everything to s3 on the machines im running etckeeper so im cool :) |
| 17:16.57 | hyo | thanks for letting me know though, ill be careful |
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| 17:17.23 | Rorschach | dbbolton: but apt-get shouldn't replace your package if it has the same name/version as the one in the repos and to keep your package even if the repo-package becomes updated you can pin it |
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| 17:18.40 | xeon-enouf | DaveDorm: maybe an ipv6 issue? proxy settings? |
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| 17:19.06 | DaveDorm | Not using ipv6, and "no proxy" is checked |
| 17:19.18 | DaveDorm | other browser works fine |
| 17:19.20 | xeon-enouf | lsmod |
| 17:19.24 | abrotman | dbbolton: then you built your package wrong .. you should have changed the version |
| 17:19.31 | xeon-enouf | lsmod | grep ipv6 |
| 17:19.54 | xeon-enouf | crap - it's builtin now |
| 17:20.00 | DaveDorm | eeek |
| 17:20.06 | DaveDorm | ok, so it is running in Lenny |
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| 17:20.11 | dbbolton | Rorschach it did replace my packages. i am dealing with huge numbers of packages. pinning them by name would take forever |
| 17:20.25 | DaveDorm | why is the Mozilla tarball insisting on using it and not Iceweasel? |
| 17:20.33 | xeon-enouf | CONFIG_IPV6=y |
| 17:20.36 | dbbolton | abrotman i built them directly from deb-src |
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| 17:20.54 | DaveDorm | ok, what id I don't want to use ipv6? |
| 17:20.56 | abrotman | dbbolton: i'm realize what you did .. i'm just saying you patched it, you probably should have changed the version |
| 17:20.59 | xeon-enouf | but; CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV6=m .. so not sure |
| 17:21.10 | DaveDorm | where do I configure this? |
| 17:21.20 | xeon-enouf | DaveDorm: which kernel, which debian release? |
| 17:21.31 | DaveDorm | Lenny 2.2.26-2 amd64 |
| 17:21.48 | DaveDorm | <-- not quite a n00b.. LOL |
| 17:21.57 | xeon-enouf | DaveDorm: i _think_ itmight be as simple as about:config .. then search and disable ipv6 things |
| 17:22.20 | DaveDorm | wow... but Iceweasel did not have me do that |
| 17:22.23 | xeon-enouf | where did you install FF to? |
| 17:22.30 | dbbolton | abrotman what is the preferred way to do that |
| 17:22.35 | DaveDorm | aren't the configs stored in the same place? in ~/.mozilla |
| 17:22.45 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 17:23.02 | DaveDorm | xeon-enouf: in /usr/lib/firefox then built the symlink |
| 17:23.20 | abrotman | dbbolton: something like adding +dbbolton to the version string |
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| 17:23.56 | DaveDorm | son of a bitch |
| 17:24.00 | xeon-enouf | ... .. pou should've installed into /home or /opt (upthe motherload intoit's own dir/) |
| 17:24.00 | DaveDorm | that was it |
| 17:24.07 | DaveDorm | THANKS SO MUCH |
| 17:24.08 | xeon-enouf | er unpack* |
| 17:24.24 | xeon-enouf | DaveDorm: heh, what was it? ;-) |
| 17:24.30 | DaveDorm | xeon-enouf: just needed another brain cel on that, never thought of ipv6 |
| 17:24.44 | xeon-enouf | about:config? ipv6? |
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| 17:25.01 | DaveDorm | network.dns.disableIPv6 was on false |
| 17:25.03 | dbbolton | abrotman would that be: dpkg-buildpackage --append-to-version="-foo" |
| 17:25.08 | xeon-enouf | right - bingo |
| 17:25.08 | DaveDorm | toggled to true. |
| 17:25.13 | DaveDorm | all better |
| 17:25.16 | xeon-enouf | ;-) |
| 17:25.21 | DaveDorm | thanks, man! |
| 17:25.22 | abrotman | !debian/rules |
| 17:25.22 | dpkg | the makefile that's used when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules to change compilation options. Be aware that some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. Also ask me about <hold> <package recompile> <source>. |
| 17:25.23 | xeon-enouf | !xingu++ |
| 17:25.23 | DaveDorm | cio |
| 17:25.24 | abrotman | for an example |
| 17:25.44 | chellomere | !debian rules |
| 17:25.44 | dpkg | chellomere, werd up |
| 17:26.06 | DaveDorm | heh |
| 17:26.09 | DaveDorm | Word |
| 17:26.12 | dbbolton | abrotban so i have to manually edit the rules file for each package |
| 17:26.15 | DaveDorm | later |
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| 17:26.30 | dbbolton | abrotman |
| 17:26.36 | abrotman | dbbolton |
| 17:26.47 | abrotman | dbbolton: you don't have to, probably make your life easier |
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| 17:28.29 | abrotman | breaks Titan8990 |
| 17:29.02 | Titan8990 | snaps right back into place because he is running lenny |
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| 17:30.10 | fxiny | i was just thinking : no spanking but user support today ? :P |
| 17:30.23 | xeon-enouf | haha |
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| 17:35.02 | flower | flash doesn't work in this website: http://www.nos.nl |
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| 17:35.08 | flower | you have same experience? |
| 17:35.17 | flower | I've install mozilla flash |
| 17:35.33 | dbbolton | abrotman is there no command line option to do the same |
| 17:35.48 | Titan8990 | flokuehn, worked fine for me |
| 17:35.54 | flower | mmmh it works in konqueror |
| 17:36.07 | Titan8990 | ^ flower |
| 17:36.21 | abrotman | dbbolton: eh? |
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| 17:36.28 | Titan8990 | i found the lenny iceweasel + backports flash does not work well |
| 17:36.32 | abrotman | flower: yes, but are you actually using the flash ? |
| 17:37.02 | flower | abrotman: sorry? |
| 17:37.02 | dbbolton | abrotman is there a command line option for dpkg-buildpackage to append something to the version? |
| 17:37.06 | Titan8990 | I would try opera or the iceweasel from squeeze (compile it), pending that you are using the correct flashplayer |
| 17:37.34 | flower | it's testing |
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| 17:38.17 | xeon-enouf | dbbolton: use dch, iinm , in devscripts pkg |
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| 17:41.38 | xeon-enouf | testing/squeeze would be kde4? |
| 17:41.44 | dbbolton | xeon-enouf looks like "dch -l" is what i want |
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| 17:42.40 | xeon-enouf | dbbolton: not; --newversion version, -v version ? |
| 17:42.46 | Titan8990 | judd, versions kde-base |
| 17:42.47 | judd | Titan8990: kde-base -- |
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| 17:42.50 | Titan8990 | judd, versions kde4-base |
| 17:42.50 | judd | Titan8990: kde4-base -- |
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| 17:43.18 | xeon-enouf | judd, versions kde-full |
| 17:43.18 | judd | xeon-enouf: kde-full -- squeeze: 5:50 sid: 5:53 |
| 17:43.25 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 17:43.41 | dbbolton | xeon-enouf, -l Add a suffix to the Debian version number for a local build. |
| 17:43.52 | xeon-enouf | dbbolton: ahh |
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| 17:43.57 | judd | Titan8990: kdelibs -- etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch1 etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-7~bpo40+1 lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny1 lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny2 sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-1 sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 |
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| 17:44.05 | Titan8990 | WIN! |
| 17:44.12 | xeon-enouf | 3 sids! |
| 17:44.29 | xeon-enouf | wait - only 2 - you lose |
| 17:44.42 | chellomere | different arches, I presume? |
| 17:45.18 | xeon-enouf | chellomere: IINM, it defaults to 1386, you can add --release and --arch |
| 17:45.31 | chellomere | ok |
| 17:45.58 | chellomere | then why 2 sids? |
| 17:46.00 | xeon-enouf | judd, versions kdelibs --arch ppc |
| 17:46.00 | judd | xeon-enouf: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 17:46.03 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 17:46.36 | xeon-enouf | chellomere: borkage or something ... |
| 17:46.43 | xeon-enouf | too much rum candy? |
| 17:46.55 | chellomere | ok |
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| 17:51.41 | simonrvn | stew: "< judd> xeon-enouf: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information." -> judd, versions kdelibs --arch ppc |
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| 17:53.08 | superjoe | is there a pkg-config for freeglut |
| 17:53.12 | superjoe | I don't see one |
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| 17:54.18 | chellomere | superjoe, doesn't appear so no. |
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| 17:54.33 | superjoe | should there be? |
| 17:55.14 | chellomere | do you think so? |
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| 17:55.21 | xeon-enouf | simonrvn: thanks, but i saw abrotman ask about a similar situation earlier, but haven't seen a response, but i've also been afk for awhile since then - also themill should possibly be notified,, IINM |
| 17:55.25 | xeon-enouf | too |
| 17:56.25 | chellomere | superjoe, if you're a developer (and you're using autoconf), you can use AC_CHECK_LIBS to check for it. |
| 17:56.40 | jpinx | themill is on holidays xeon-enouf |
| 17:56.40 | superjoe | ah thanks chellomere |
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| 17:57.36 | chellomere | superjoe, there exists ways to attempt a full compile and link against the library, and that would be better tho. AC_CHECK_LIB only checks whether it exists and that a specific symbol is in it. |
| 17:57.53 | superjoe | I'm going to look at cmake |
| 17:58.05 | fxiny | wt4x , a holiday witout irc ? |
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| 18:00.19 | henux | any idea how to connect to a WPA-PSK AES encrypted wifi network in debian? do i have to use wpa_supplicant? |
| 18:00.53 | elenril | yes |
| 18:01.04 | henux | k |
| 18:01.05 | henux | thanks |
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| 18:02.08 | elenril | add wpa-ssid <your ssid> and wpa-psk <passphrase> to interface description in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:02.31 | elenril | and ifupdown should handle it automagically |
| 18:02.36 | dbbolton | what would be the grep command to find any line containing both "foo" and "bar" with anything in between |
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| 18:04.08 | fxiny | dbbolton: grep -E ? |
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| 18:06.59 | doubleclick | how do i remove a package and leave dependencies broken (until i reinstall that package)? |
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| 18:07.59 | petemc | doubleclick: you can force remove with dpkg |
| 18:08.04 | dutchfish | aptitude purge/remove foo && aptitud einstall foo |
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| 18:11.06 | doubleclick | petemc: that was it.. tnx |
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| 18:13.05 | CalJohn | Is there a good sftp shell out there? With coloured ls and readline? |
| 18:13.05 | dutchfish | yes i was wrong, kudos to petemc |
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| 18:17.47 | fxiny | dbbolton: grep -E "(foo.+bar)" file , when bar follows foo , or : grep -E "(foo|bar).*(bar|foo)" file |
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| 18:18.18 | Pericius | solution to my problem from ubuntu forums directed me to /etc/iftab... there's no such file on my deb... what would be the equivalent? |
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| 18:19.17 | Titan8990 | Pericius, sounds like your in the wrong channel or were on the wrong forums |
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| 18:19.49 | llutz | Pericius: udev-rules |
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| 18:20.44 | snikker | hi, grip doesn't write accented char in the file name, can you help me? |
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| 18:21.24 | fahadsadah | Is there any way to clear the apt-get autoremove list? |
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| 18:21.40 | fahadsadah | Or else, to mark every installed package as manually installed? |
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| 18:31.54 | fahadsadah | Hmm. |
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| 18:31.59 | fahadsadah | Can I do debootstrap /? |
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| 18:35.13 | Pericius | is it ok if i put all the entries in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to eth0 (i have moving virtualbox debian)... that solved the issue of non-existent networking when moved... |
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| 18:35.32 | Pericius | edited NAME entries |
| 18:35.40 | Pericius | some were eth1 |
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| 18:36.41 | imduffy15 | Hi anybody have any idea how to make a preference for ipv4 over ipv6 |
| 18:37.42 | abrotman | Pericius: If you want it to discover the new interface as eth0, you can remove all the entries in the file if that's easier |
| 18:38.11 | Pericius | abrotman: can i make it to do that everytime? not to remember anything? |
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| 18:39.14 | abrotman | fine .. i won't answer ... |
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| 18:41.13 | hark | imduffy15: see /etc/gai.conf |
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| 18:41.54 | imduffy15 | hark, I did but i don't understand it I added precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100 but it made no difference do i have to reload/restart something after making the changes? |
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| 18:43.52 | Pericius | abrotman: sorry, got disconnected... have u replied? |
| 18:44.05 | abrotman | Pericius: nothing useful :) |
| 18:44.27 | abrotman | Pericius: you could probably have it be removed each time if you really wanted, or replaced with a blank one at shutdown. |
| 18:44.42 | abrotman | Pericius: i'm unaware of way to have udev ignore networking interfaces |
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| 18:45.26 | Pericius | abrotman: bah, it's cool... i can just change it everytime i go to another machine... i use 3-4 at best anyways :) |
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| 18:50.20 | cahoot | Pericius: invalidate /lib/udev/write_net_rules? |
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| 18:51.41 | Pericius | cahoot: don't follow... i just need that everytime there's right mac address named eth0 in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 18:54.00 | Pericius | cahoot: sorry... what u said might be solution for all i know... newbie over here :) |
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| 18:54.44 | Vor4c3 | hi |
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| 18:55.33 | cahoot | Pericius: I thought the goal was to hinder udev from handling network interfaces - seem to have misunderstood - disregard |
| 18:55.38 | Vor4c3 | I'm look for a IRC channel talking about electronic. I have a problem with my laptop powersuplly and need to ask some questions. thx |
| 18:56.03 | unop | Vor4c3, #hardware might be a good channel to ask in. |
| 18:56.13 | Vor4c3 | unitypunk_, thx a lot |
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| 18:56.27 | Vor4c3 | unop, sry thx |
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| 18:56.59 | henux | okay how do i define the timezone and setup openntpd to fetch the time from my country's public ntpd server? |
| 18:57.30 | Vor4c3 | english IRC channel are my favorit. thx to you |
| 18:57.41 | Pericius | cahoot: as i understood, it everytime adds new interface to 70-persistent-net.rules... well what i would like it to do is to erase all known and add the current one in, i guess, boot(?) as eth0... that possible? |
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| 18:58.34 | justin | !wayttd Pericius |
| 18:58.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Pericius? |
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| 18:59.07 | MaximusBrood | Useless bot feature is useless. |
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| 18:59.23 | justin | says you |
| 18:59.47 | MaximusBrood | says I |
| 18:59.56 | MaximusBrood | Indeed. |
| 19:00.06 | Pericius | justin: get networking to work with vboxed debian on any host... it doesn't work until i edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules so the current interface is eth0, not eth1 |
| 19:00.34 | justin | Pericius: you could just configure eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:01.45 | unop | henux, the /etc/openntpd/ntpd.conf file is quite self-explanatory .. as for the timezone, reconfigure the tzdata package |
| 19:01.50 | Pericius | justin: well, i'd want it to do that by itself, so i need not go through hassle of editing and rebooting everytime i switch box |
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| 19:02.05 | justin | Pericius: or let udev add the lines for each interface and then change them all to eth0 |
| 19:02.08 | justin | Pericius: what? |
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| 19:02.19 | unop | henux, though, it shouldn't matter which ntp server you sync with. |
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| 19:02.48 | justin | Pericius: add eth0, eth1, eth2 to /etc/network/interfaces. udev will set the device up depending on which host you are on |
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| 19:03.02 | justin | Pericius: if you just stop editing the file, it will work how it is supposed to |
| 19:03.16 | henux | unop: ok |
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| 19:05.50 | Pericius | justin: what should i add there? |
| 19:05.50 | justin | Pericius: if you keep deleting the mapping rules, it will keep adding them back with the wrong device |
| 19:06.22 | justin | Pericius: add nothing. let udev update the file, and then just change the eth1,eth2,eth3 back to eth0 |
| 19:06.45 | Pericius | that's what i did :) |
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| 19:06.47 | justin | unless you want the VM to know which host it is running on, then leave them as eth1, eth2, eth3 and configure /etc/network/interfaces for each device |
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| 19:07.50 | Pericius | ok, now just to solve terribly slow upload speed... but for that #vbox |
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| 19:10.19 | dbbolton | what is the egrep command to find all lines that do not contain "foo"? |
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| 19:10.55 | abrotman | dbbolton: grep -v "foo" file |
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| 19:12.06 | dbbolton | what about every line without foo but with bar? |
| 19:12.22 | abrotman | grep -v foo file | grep bar |
| 19:12.24 | justin | this is starting to sound like homework |
| 19:12.48 | abrotman | or lack of reading man grep :) |
| 19:12.57 | dbbolton | physics majors don't have a lot of grep homework |
| 19:13.05 | dbbolton | yeah, i'm feeling pretty lazy today |
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| 19:13.35 | _Dave123_ | whats a good linux network scan tool (for a certain port) to scan my local network? some basic tool |
| 19:13.36 | dbbolton | i actually skimmed the man pages for grep and egrep |
| 19:14.03 | dbbolton | abrotman do you have to pipe it like that? |
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| 19:14.54 | abrotman | dbbolton: i'm sure there's some other method .. but that seems pretty easy to me |
| 19:15.07 | justin | _Dave123_: nmap |
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| 19:18.09 | ferral | howdo i diff 2 folders? |
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| 19:23.14 | cmyers_work | What do people use to listen to music? I am running unstable (weakening my complaints) but rhythm box is a buggy piece of shit, and amarok used to work great until I updated a few weeks ago and it lost all my playlists and now refuses to make any sound at all when I try to play music files. XMMS2 appears obtuse and non-obvious to set up as well. I just want a music player I can point at a directory and say "go". |
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| 19:24.33 | JPT | i use amarok :) |
| 19:24.44 | JPT | noatun is a funny alternative |
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| 19:25.03 | cmyers_work | JPT - I don't suppose you have amarok working in unstable? |
| 19:25.12 | JPT | i don't have unstable :) |
| 19:25.15 | peterrooney | ferret_: diff -r , --brief, grep [-v] ^Only . . . |
| 19:25.26 | JPT | if you're on unstable, you're on your own :) |
| 19:25.29 | ardsrk_ | how about VLC player |
| 19:25.39 | cmyers_work | I would try to just pin it to the testing version, but it's a KDE app so it is probably going to be dependency hell to do that. |
| 19:26.20 | cmyers_work | hmm, I guess I could use vlc or mplayer and just "mplayer *" in the directory I want. |
| 19:26.37 | cmyers_work | or use a crazy find | xargs mplayer or whatever to get the files I want. |
| 19:26.57 | cmyers_work | it would be nice to be able to set up fluxbox keybindings to pause and unpause. |
| 19:27.06 | cmyers_work | but I can worry about that later =P |
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| 19:28.11 | yaaar | any amavis gurus in here? i've got a debian+ispconfig box running at a lot higher load than i'd like (>5 all the time, >12 for a bit earlier today) and the only thing I see using more than about 5% cpu is amavisd-new, which is consistently in the 30-40% range. |
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| 19:28.45 | justin | yaaar: load is not always cpu related |
| 19:28.52 | yaaar | amavisd is kind of a black-box to me, so i'm kind of lost as to how to troubleshoot it...or is it normal to take that much juice? |
| 19:29.08 | yaaar | justin: oh, i should mention that top also always shows 0.0% idle |
| 19:29.12 | cmyers_work | yaaar: might be if you are getting lots of emails. |
| 19:29.16 | yaaar | although there's a lot of waiting |
| 19:29.18 | justin | yaaar: what does vmstat say |
| 19:29.23 | yaaar | one sec |
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| 19:30.28 | yaaar | r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa |
| 19:30.29 | yaaar | 5 1 341732 155520 25420 219776 9 4 411 626 24 19 10 3 79 7 |
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| 19:31.06 | yaaar | so, i guess that's saying 79% idle? seems odd. i wish i knew what the bi/bo stuff was (i can tell it's i/o related, but i don't have a frame of reference...) |
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| 19:34.13 | asg | yaaar: blocks in / blocks out |
| 19:34.45 | justin | yaaar: you need to let it run for a bit.. run vmstat 5 or so |
| 19:34.51 | yaaar | i guess what i mean is i don't know what a 'normal' value for those would be |
| 19:35.37 | asg | yaaar: you can only determine that by viewing 'vmstat 5' during normal operating state |
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| 19:35.49 | yaaar | asg: gotcha |
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| 19:36.14 | asg | yaaar: the sysstat package is useful for storing and allowing you to query such values over time. |
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| 19:37.52 | yaaar | k, here's a bit of vmstat: http://pastebin.ca/1550676 |
| 19:37.57 | rgr | running "keychain > /dev/null" I still get output to my terminal. Which other variation of redirection should I use? |
| 19:37.59 | asg | yaaar: in the example above, the runqueue with '5' should ideally be no more than twice the CPU. |
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| 19:38.41 | yaaar | is that the 'r' field? |
| 19:38.57 | asg | yaaar: you are definitely blocking on i/o. The 'b' column indicates this so it's either disk or network i/o (nfs, cifs, etc). Yes, the 'r' field is the runqueue |
| 19:39.03 | rudi_s | rgr: Its standard error, so try keychain > /dev/null 2>&1 to redirct stdout and stderr to /dev/null |
| 19:39.11 | rgr | thanks |
| 19:39.14 | rudi_s | np |
| 19:39.18 | yaaar | sorry, i've got to educate myself before asking such dumb questions. i'm reading the vmstat man page now |
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| 19:40.11 | cmyers_work | ugh, I think rhythmbox is barfing on the metadata from some MP3s in particular, probably an encoding problem. =( |
| 19:40.17 | rgr | I googled this page which made no sense : http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html see 3.4 and 3.5 |
| 19:40.37 | humbolt | can I shrink an md raid partition? |
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| 19:42.18 | yaaar | rgr: those commands are only useful if your stdout and stderr are normally going different places. that's rarely the case when using an interactive shell |
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| 19:43.15 | twobitsprite | where do I get the english word list file? on my home system /usr/share/dict/words points to something in /etc/dictionaries-common which contains a word list... but on my server here, the latter doesn't exist... |
| 19:43.28 | twobitsprite | I tried installing aspell-en and dictionaries-common to no avail |
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| 19:44.15 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: install one of the wamerican (or whatever language you want) packages |
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| 19:44.40 | twobitsprite | ahh... |
| 19:44.42 | twobitsprite | thanks |
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| 19:46.16 | rgr | rudi_s: that worked fine. thanks. |
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| 19:46.49 | rgr | yaaar: well, in this case they were. As was clear when /dev/null was not enough I guess? |
| 19:46.58 | rgr | But works now. Cheers. |
| 19:47.42 | rudi_s | You're welcome. |
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| 19:59.54 | _Dave123_ | i scanned my own host with scanning by nmap, 'nmap -sS 127.0.0.1' but couldn't find port 80 opened while i could with scanning from outside, any idea why this is? have the same with ports 135, 139, 445 (although they have state 'filtered') while i have the opposite for port 953 which listens locally but not externally, can anyone declare the difference specially on the port with state 'filtered' ? |
| 20:00.20 | justin | _Dave123_: don't use -sS |
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| 20:00.40 | _Dave123_ | justin: what should i use? |
| 20:00.43 | justin | _Dave123_: nothing |
| 20:00.48 | justin | the defaults are fine |
| 20:00.50 | _Dave123_ | nmap 127.0.0.1 is fine? ok |
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| 20:03.26 | yffer | hi |
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| 20:03.36 | yffer | how do i turn root off and use su on server ? |
| 20:03.55 | justin | yffer: that question makes no sense |
| 20:04.07 | SeaweedStardom | yffer - you want to make sure people cannot log in as root? |
| 20:04.11 | yffer | root is turned on on my server... i can login with it |
| 20:04.34 | yffer | seaweed : sometimes i need to could login as root.... |
| 20:04.37 | yffer | or ? |
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| 20:05.04 | yffer | im not sure i understand your question seaweed |
| 20:05.15 | Zambezi | In Lenny I had alsaconf, was the name of that tool i Squeeze? |
| 20:05.15 | rgr | you can lock the root account using sudo I think. |
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| 20:05.21 | abrotman | yffer: which version of debian is this? |
| 20:05.25 | SeaweedStardom | yffer - so you do not want root to log in. but you also want to make sure that a user can 'su' |
| 20:05.33 | SeaweedStardom | yffer - check out /etc/securetty |
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| 20:05.50 | rgr | isnt log in as root disabled by default in some debian distros like Ubuntu? So it must be possible. |
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| 20:06.25 | SeaweedStardom | rgr - they disable the root login by setting the root shadow to be "*" |
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| 20:06.31 | SeaweedStardom | and then users have to sudo to get root |
| 20:06.35 | yffer | abrotman : how do i know that... im a little behind here |
| 20:06.43 | abrotman | yffer: uname -a |
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| 20:07.05 | ajavid | nvidia 250 gt |
| 20:07.10 | yffer | abtorman 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 20:07.10 | abrotman | that's nto a kernel |
| 20:07.33 | yffer | Linux 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 12 16:48:28 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:07.34 | ajavid | I just discovered that none of the ATI video cards can do hardware h264 HD accelration |
| 20:07.36 | abrotman | yffer: i'd think you could passwd -l .. but make sure you have a rescue disk handy in case it blows up |
| 20:07.36 | yffer | abtorman |
| 20:07.37 | rgr | you can lock with "sudo passwd -l root". is that the same? |
| 20:07.39 | ajavid | only nvidia can do HD atm |
| 20:07.45 | ajavid | well, this format |
| 20:07.49 | abrotman | abtorman ? .. that's a new one |
| 20:07.52 | rgr | but why remove it? |
| 20:07.52 | abrotman | twice ... |
| 20:07.54 | ajavid | abrotman |
| 20:07.56 | ajavid | huh |
| 20:07.57 | yffer | abrotman : i dont the server is in another country |
| 20:07.59 | ajavid | oh |
| 20:08.03 | ajavid | abtorman hahaha |
| 20:08.05 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:08.09 | rgr | if they can guess that pwd (which should be good) they can guess your user one and then sudo .... |
| 20:08.22 | ajavid | thats a typo thats way off |
| 20:08.44 | yffer | the password ... is so odd and strange that no one ever can remember it |
| 20:08.53 | asg | rgr: that's why you use keys and disable password logins. |
| 20:09.07 | yffer | combination of big and smalle letters and numbers all between each other |
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| 20:09.36 | rgr | asg: thats why somepeople do. Keys are not much good if you connect from elsehwere where you dont have your keys. |
| 20:10.23 | asg | rgr: that's why I always have a netbook with me. |
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| 20:10.39 | rgr | yffer: bah. tag a couple of words together and throw in some numbers ... You can be too paranoid :-; But clearly not your initials or your dogs name for example :-) |
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| 20:11.09 | rgr | asg: wow. Thats really dumb. What happens if you lose it? You'll compromise all the machines it can openkey into. |
| 20:11.34 | abrotman | would think you'd notice losing a compaq luggable |
| 20:11.39 | rgr | (I do the same btw :-)) |
| 20:11.42 | asg | rgr: the key is passphrase protected, the netbook has full-disk encryption |
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| 20:12.15 | asg | abrotman: Kaypro ftw |
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| 20:12.27 | rgr | asg: I have that on mine too. A nice x30 running debian and encrypted disk. |
| 20:12.40 | rgr | which reminds me, I probably need to check all the keys. |
| 20:12.49 | rgr | not that I have anything of interest to steal. |
| 20:13.02 | asg | nods |
| 20:13.43 | rgr | asg: actually I'm glad of this chat because on my netbook I dont have pwd on the keys so was aware I was being dumb :-; |
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| 20:13.49 | ajavid | your trash could be abrotman's treasure ;) |
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| 20:13.58 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 20:14.00 | ajavid | oh dangit |
| 20:14.08 | ajavid | I was gonna say abtorman |
| 20:14.10 | rgr | I doubt it as I use binary nvidia drivers ... |
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| 20:14.26 | rgr | I thought it was abortman. |
| 20:14.27 | ajavid | you use nvidia bianry drivers? |
| 20:14.32 | ajavid | rgr, stable lenny? |
| 20:14.46 | rgr | pulled in from unstable I'm afraid. They are excellent. |
| 20:14.50 | ajavid | hm |
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| 20:15.09 | ajavid | I am in need to upgrade video card, I want to get nvidia as I just discoverd nvidia only supports h264 accel |
| 20:15.10 | rgr | only on my dev/entertainment machine. I have no video on my server at all. |
| 20:15.15 | ajavid | no ATI cards do taht |
| 20:15.33 | ajavid | plus, if I get ATI, I'll have to use fglrx for 3d, and I will do no such thing, so nvidia is known to have good drivers in linux |
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| 20:15.50 | ajavid | so I guess I'm gonna go with nvidia, but I run stable, and I want to uhm.. make sure the drivers will work fine in here |
| 20:15.57 | rgr | ajavid: be careful how you do it. there are hosts of crap how tos out there which will hose your system quicker than you can say "m-a". |
| 20:16.05 | ajavid | with xorg 7.3 and nvidia from sid? no problems? |
| 20:16.24 | ajavid | rgr, you needn't worry bout that |
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| 20:16.39 | ajavid | rgr, I'm mostly only paranoid, but once I dive into something, I make it my bitch. |
| 20:16.42 | rgr | 185.18.14 |
| 20:16.46 | rgr | lol |
| 20:16.52 | ajavid | :) |
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| 20:17.18 | ajavid | I'm thinking 150USD max |
| 20:17.22 | rgr | so long as you dont get tempted to use the nvidia installer (which is WAY easier) then it shouldbe ok down the line. |
| 20:17.42 | ajavid | there was a GT 250 nvidia, 1gb 256bit gddr3, 128 pixel pipelines |
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| 20:17.55 | ajavid | thats more than enough for my gaming needs for a long time to come, and its only 150 |
| 20:17.57 | rgr | Where was I? Oh yes. Considering totall redoing all my keys. |
| 20:18.15 | ajavid | rgr, I would never use anything not debian |
| 20:18.26 | ajavid | well, very rarely would I ever use nondebian softwared |
| 20:18.32 | ajavid | packaged.. whatever. debian stuff. |
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| 20:18.41 | rgr | I have an 8800 GTS from 2 years ago. Runs dual monitors lighning fast. |
| 20:19.07 | ajavid | rgr, I just ordered an LG monitor, 2ms, 50k:1 contrast, 1980x1080 |
| 20:19.08 | rgr | ajavid: but you will use the "non open" NVidia drivers? |
| 20:19.14 | rgr | 2ms???????????????????? |
| 20:19.16 | rgr | holy shit |
| 20:19.17 | ajavid | or whatever, only 220~ish USD |
| 20:19.19 | abrotman | ##hardware ? |
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| 20:19.31 | ajavid | yup, hardware |
| 20:19.33 | ajavid | rgr, join |
| 20:19.37 | rgr | in teh context of nvidia drivers on debian that is not OT. |
| 20:19.43 | ajavid | actually you're right |
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| 20:19.47 | lindenle | Is there a tool to look at sch files in linux (board schematics). |
| 20:19.51 | ajavid | I am trying to research my debian nvidia setup before I do it |
| 20:19.52 | abrotman | yes .. 2ms is clearly debian related |
| 20:19.59 | ajavid | that bit isn't |
| 20:20.04 | ajavid | you're right abms1116 |
| 20:20.08 | rgr | ajavid: talk later. Want to look at my lan security while I am thinking about it. |
| 20:20.11 | ajavid | abr... where did he go? |
| 20:20.25 | rgr | for goodness sake. |
| 20:20.44 | ajavid | alright, word. |
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| 20:27.45 | windowsiscool | hii |
| 20:27.48 | windowsiscool | im newb |
| 20:27.53 | windowsiscool | can anyone help me? |
| 20:27.56 | ajavid | !ask |
| 20:27.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:28.28 | windowsiscool | !ask i found a dev-comment "london street free buttsecks" in linux kernel source,what i should do? |
| 20:28.49 | windowsiscool | i found a dev-comment "london street free buttsecks" in linux kernel source,what i should do? |
| 20:28.58 | justin | windowsiscool: book a flight to london? |
| 20:29.20 | windowsiscool | i want to put a goatse background |
| 20:29.25 | windowsiscool | in debian 5.0 |
| 20:29.30 | rgr | justin: lol! |
| 20:29.30 | windowsiscool | but nautilus crashes |
| 20:29.31 | windowsiscool | :( |
| 20:29.46 | windowsiscool | Also,Lunix stands for Lusers unix |
| 20:29.55 | windowsiscool | I had like to tap on linux kernel Makefile. |
| 20:30.13 | windowsiscool | WINDOWS ROCKS OMFG!!!!1!!! |
| 20:30.17 | windowsiscool | linsux |
| 20:30.20 | chellomere | !ops windowsiscool |
| 20:30.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: chellomere complains about: windowsiscool |
| 20:30.22 | windowsiscool | ;) |
| 20:30.22 | windowsiscool | linsux |
| 20:30.26 | windowsiscool | you are some niggaz |
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| 20:30.39 | jelly | Hi Rez! |
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| 20:30.51 | chellomere | !LoRez++ |
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| 20:32.00 | rgr | can one have multiple pub keys for a single machine? e.g only password prompt to unlock the key on my laptop but no pwd prompt on the machines in the lan? |
| 20:32.21 | LoRez | yes |
| 20:32.40 | Maulkin | Lovely |
| 20:33.28 | jelly | wonders why reportbug-ng doesn't have a refresh button [...] oh it's #489359 |
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| 20:33.56 | AppDeb | rgr: you can use the same priv key for both, one passworded one not,but you can alao add 2nd pubkey |
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| 20:34.41 | rgr | same priv key for both? |
| 20:34.58 | AppDeb | rgr: yes |
| 20:35.54 | rgr | I dont follow. One copies the pub key to the two machines who might access this machine. |
| 20:36.10 | rgr | arent pub and priv irrevocably linked? |
| 20:36.16 | AppDeb | rgr: it will be the same priv key for both, but you should strip the password protection for tha lan machine |
| 20:36.35 | rgr | How does one strip it? |
| 20:36.57 | AppDeb | rgr: the public key is at the machine you connect, your clients (lan machine and laptop) use the priv key |
| 20:36.58 | rgr | (actually, I think I have a headache thinking about pub key again :-;) |
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| 20:37.52 | rgr | Sorry to be dense but I thought the pub key gets copied to the clients. |
| 20:38.23 | rgr | maybe I need to start from scratch as I set this up two years ago. |
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| 20:38.51 | AppDeb | rgr: the pub key is only at the server you want to connect to (but client usually have both the public and private key, the private is used) |
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| 20:39.32 | rgr | Sorry, I'm lost. I need to rtfm I think. Why would the pub key only exist on the secure server? |
| 20:39.56 | rgr | And whose pub key are you referring to? The pub keys you mean ? ie the ones from the two clients? |
| 20:40.04 | rgr | in which case i get you. |
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| 20:42.30 | AppDeb | rgr: you either create 2 public keys on the server and connect with 2 priv keys from each machine, or you use one private key for both machines (so one pub key) |
| 20:43.44 | rgr | Surely all I do is create a priv/pub pair on the laptop and just enable pwd. For the others not. Then copy the pub key to .authorized_keys on the server. You dont copy priv keys around the net. |
| 20:44.33 | AppDeb | rgr: I don't exactly know how to remove the password from a private key, since you don't want password prompt on your lan machine. |
| 20:44.39 | rgr | I'm kind of lost when you say "connect with 2 priv keys from each machine". Why? |
| 20:44.47 | AppDeb | rgr: which I suppose is safe |
| 20:45.03 | rgr | AppDeb: you simply give no password when you generate the key pair. Now I'm wondering if we are discussing the same thing :-) |
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| 20:45.58 | AppDeb | rgr: if you give no password, the just use the same private key for both the lan machine and laptop |
| 20:46.11 | rgr | why would I do that?!?! |
| 20:46.17 | AppDeb | rgr: why not? |
| 20:46.30 | rgr | because then its not password protected from the laptopm |
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| 20:47.12 | AppDeb | rgr: then add a password to the laptops private key |
| 20:47.24 | AppDeb | rgr: but keep it the same |
| 20:48.12 | rgr | Sorry, but you lost me completely. I think you are thinking of a different topology. Why on earth would I want the same priv key on two different machines? priv an pub ar epaired. |
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| 20:49.12 | andres833 | some person have gmail up |
| 20:49.27 | AppDeb | rgr: it is up to you to choose, if you add a good password on the laptops priv key you are still safe (if someone steals ur laptop) |
| 20:50.03 | rgr | thats all I want. I still dont see why you are sggesting shared priv keys though. Can you explain that? |
| 20:50.10 | JPT | andres833: mail.google.com is down. the igoogle-widget, pop and imap still work |
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| 20:50.48 | AppDeb | rgr: less maintenance probably, since your lan pc is always safe, there is not need to create second pair |
| 20:51.28 | rgr | well there is since I want a password from the lan. Or can one generate more than one pub key from a single private one but one having a pwd and another not? |
| 20:51.36 | rgr | s/lan/laptop. |
| 20:51.56 | andres833 | JPT, i am from colombia and my gmail down but my gtalk up... what is your country? |
| 20:52.07 | JPT | germany |
| 20:52.20 | JPT | check twitter for more people that have gmail down |
| 20:52.22 | JPT | :) |
| 20:52.42 | AppDeb | rgr: the pub key doesnt have a password, the private key is locally encrypted (passphrase) if you want |
| 20:53.02 | andres833 | see this link link http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=es |
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| 20:53.14 | rgr | so how on earth can I share a priv key with one machine having a password and one not? |
| 20:53.24 | JPT | aah...i did not knew this page |
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| 20:55.17 | AppDeb | rgr: I say it again, you will have 1 private key, one for your lan client one for laptop client. It is just that the lan client will not have it localy encrypted but the laptop will have it localy encrypted. However if you want log in as different user, you will have to create second pair |
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| 20:56.09 | AppDeb | rgr: this is in the case that both lan and laptop login the same way |
| 20:56.11 | rgr | your first sentence already has me lost. How can "one for the lan and one for the laptop" ben 1 private key? |
| 20:56.33 | AppDeb | rgr: the next sentence shows the difference :P |
| 20:57.16 | AppDeb | rgr: anyway if it is difficult to understand, just create a second pair |
| 20:57.21 | rgr | Where does the idea of them logging in in the same way come from? I dont want them logging in in the same way. What do you mean by "locally encrypted": how does one "locally encrypt" a "shared" private key? |
| 20:57.39 | rgr | you're probably right :-; |
| 20:57.41 | rgr | thanks for trying. |
| 20:58.06 | rgr | or can you answer : how do I locally encrypt this shared private key?? |
| 20:59.03 | AppDeb | rgr: it is not actually shared, just the laptop needs it. The lan machine, since it will login without password, is considered safe from the beginning. |
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| 20:59.46 | rgr | You're winding me up now :-, What do you mean its not actually shared? You just wrote that one machine has the priv key and the other has the SAME key but encrypted! |
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| 21:00.52 | AppDeb | rgr: yes it is shared, but what I say is that, you "consider" your LAN machine. since it doesn't need a password it better be. |
| 21:01.17 | AppDeb | rgr: your "consider" your LAN machine safe* |
| 21:01.55 | rgr | So now it is shared? And in the last post yo said "its not actually shared". Sorry, but this isn't going anywhere. The basic issue is why would I want to "share" a priv key? It seems mad. |
| 21:02.02 | AppDeb | rgr: Since noone is going to steal your lan machine, you don't bother with that private key anyway |
| 21:02.13 | rgr | of course I do. |
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| 21:02.52 | AppDeb | rgr: Why? even if you create a second pair, and someone steals your lan machine, he will still bypass security |
| 21:02.56 | epiclulz | hy |
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| 21:03.11 | rgr | AppDeb: only if he can log in as me. |
| 21:03.17 | epiclulz | linux is fucking serious business. |
| 21:03.28 | rgr | the point with a laptop is that it can be stolen already logged in. |
| 21:03.38 | jelly | oh noes, the same troll again |
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| 21:03.53 | tyui | night guys |
| 21:04.08 | tyui | i have a problem here: i ran debian lenny installer |
| 21:04.09 | epiclulz | TROLLING IS FUCKING SERIOUS BUSINESS MAAN!FUCK YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKING JEWRATS YOU ARE NERDS WITHOUT LIFE WIGGERS |
| 21:04.12 | rgr | AppDeb: admittedly that chance is small too. Think I'll leave it as it is for now. |
| 21:04.26 | rgr | epiclulz: which version is that? SID? |
| 21:04.29 | jelly | !ops epiclulz troll |
| 21:04.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: epiclulz troll |
| 21:04.29 | tyui | it failed at the networking installation |
| 21:04.32 | epiclulz | Microsoft is epic win |
| 21:04.36 | epiclulz | Microsoft is epic win |
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| 21:04.43 | lvh | haha |
| 21:04.48 | jelly | poor sod. |
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| 21:05.03 | tyui | how can i sort a bad network conf? |
| 21:05.06 | rgr | never saw something like before here! |
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| 21:05.23 | tyui | i know the driver used is rtl8187 and that WICD does the job well in configuring things |
| 21:05.26 | AppDeb | rgr: as I said you don't understand the security point behind all this. Whatever you use (2 pairs, or 1 pair) if your LAN machine gets stolen you lose. So I suggested 1 pair for easier maintenance. You can do as you wish, I think you understand my point |
| 21:05.39 | rgr | I do. |
| 21:05.40 | tyui | but i won t be able to dl it if i install debian w/o network... |
| 21:06.01 | tyui | what should i do? |
| 21:06.16 | jetscreamer | d/l then install? |
| 21:06.23 | tyui | can i just install later the tar.gz file? |
| 21:06.25 | rgr | YOu seem to hink if my lan machine is stolen I'm compromised anyway. But I'm not as its still password protected to gain access to my account. |
| 21:06.31 | rgr | or? |
| 21:06.32 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 21:06.32 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 21:06.48 | jetscreamer | or a .deb from pdo |
| 21:07.00 | tyui | jetscreamer, ok, but where i put the file? |
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| 21:07.15 | AppDeb | rgr: for example, I use the same private key for my smartphone and laptop, just for easier mantainance. But of course both have a passphrase. They are still shared. |
| 21:07.20 | jetscreamer | on a usb stick? |
| 21:07.25 | tyui | i mean, i dl the rtl8187 driver AND wicd package |
| 21:07.29 | tyui | ok on a usb stick |
| 21:07.37 | aucabarcas | good |
| 21:07.47 | tyui | ubt then; from the installer, when it fails, what should i do? |
| 21:07.55 | tyui | but* |
| 21:08.02 | rgr | AppDeb: so what about the pubkey for these which you copy to the remote machines you want to connect to? They are NOT the same? |
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| 21:08.23 | tyui | i mount the usb key from the ash shell? and then what? apt!get install packages? |
| 21:09.04 | AppDeb | rgr: I copied the private to both my laptop and smartphone, the pub key is one. |
| 21:09.26 | jpinx | tyui: aptitude install |
| 21:09.38 | rgr | And so how is that providing password protection only from the laptop. I feel we're in circles here. |
| 21:09.50 | rgr | It seems I just want two pairs. |
| 21:10.06 | jetscreamer | a .deb you would dpkg -i blah.deb usually.... not sure what you're doing though |
| 21:10.12 | AppDeb | rgr: Please use 2 PAIRS! :P |
| 21:10.19 | tyui | one last pratical question then: the driver rtl8187... which package does it belong to? |
| 21:10.38 | tyui | (i made a search but found nothing on debian.org) |
| 21:10.51 | rgr | You cinfused me when you said I could use one key for the two but only encrpyt the priv key on ONE of the machines. It seems that is not the case. |
| 21:11.34 | tyui | can t find WICD software neither. |
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| 21:11.48 | AppDeb | rgr: Yeah thats how I would do it, but just forget it for now. Create another pair to get the job done |
| 21:12.06 | rgr | How would you encrypt the "same priv key"? |
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| 21:14.03 | tyui | ok i m getting the .deb file |
| 21:14.04 | tyui | of wicd, in squeeze. |
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| 21:14.23 | jpinx | tyui: it's in backports I believe |
| 21:14.47 | tyui | can i aptitude install? or dpkg -i blah.deb is the only way? |
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| 21:15.58 | tyui | ok jpinx you re right, in backports it s better :) |
| 21:16.30 | jpinx | tyui: use aptitude install if possible |
| 21:16.59 | jpinx | tyui: aptitude install -t lenny-backports wicd |
| 21:17.08 | jpinx | !why aptitude |
| 21:17.08 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 21:23.21 | tyui | anyone would be kind enough to tell me the name of the pacage containing the rtl8187 driver? |
| 21:23.25 | tyui | please... |
| 21:24.14 | jpinx | tyui: you'll need to google for that |
| 21:24.31 | jpinx | I had a look with aptitude search, but nothing there |
| 21:24.38 | hark | tyui: /msg dpkg rtl8187 |
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| 21:25.08 | Roland- | hey, ext4 supported on debian ? |
| 21:26.08 | jpinx | !ext4 |
| 21:26.08 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Adds features such as support for volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy. http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:31.08 | Roland- | oh well |
| 21:31.17 | Roland- | complicated, can I install debian with ext4? |
| 21:31.23 | Roland- | or do I have to make changes |
| 21:31.50 | sandygws | Hi everyone, can I ask the best way to create an XFS partition on a RAID0 array with 2 x 1.5TB HDDs ? |
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| 21:36.56 | rgr | AppDeb: sorry about this. But I really dont see how I can have two key sets on my "secure" server. All teh FAQs only have the concept of a single key pait. The priv key which remains on the secure server and the matching pubkey which is used from all machines allowed to log in. |
| 21:37.06 | rgr | s/pait/pair |
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| 21:37.34 | AppDeb | rgr: ssh-keygen -p -f yourprivkey |
| 21:37.47 | rgr | aha! |
| 21:38.20 | AppDeb | rgr: to change or remove password from a priv key |
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| 21:38.40 | rgr | Oh no .... |
| 21:39.01 | rgr | I dont want to remove a password..... |
| 21:39.59 | AppDeb | rgr: just saying cause i just found it. i only knew to do it from puttygen (windows) |
| 21:40.25 | rgr | Whats that got to do with my need to have a ssh key which prompts for password from one machine and from another? |
| 21:40.34 | rgr | "and not from another"? |
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| 21:41.21 | goozbach | having a problem with debmirror |
| 21:41.24 | AppDeb | rgr: if you remove the password from the key it doesnt prompt for password |
| 21:41.32 | rgr | to access a server all keys are generated ON that server. I dont see how I can be prompted from one client and not from another. |
| 21:41.42 | goozbach | time /usr/bin/debmirror --debug -p -h ftp.us.debian.org --method=rsync --root=':debian' -d=etch,lenny --nocleanup -a=amd64 --nosource --section=main,main/debian-installer,main/installer-amd64 --rsync-batch=1000 /var/www/debian |
| 21:41.45 | goozbach | is what I'm running |
| 21:41.46 | rgr | why would I remove the password from the private key on thesecure server?!?! |
| 21:42.03 | goozbach | for some reason it's still mirroring i386 and the dist sid |
| 21:42.05 | goozbach | why? |
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| 21:42.36 | rgr | or did you mean remove from "yourpubkey"? |
| 21:42.37 | AppDeb | rgr: you will remove the password from the lans privkey only |
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| 21:43.41 | AppDeb | rgr: look on man ssh-keygen on the -p section |
| 21:43.57 | rgr | I know what it does. I understand that. |
| 21:44.11 | rgr | brb.. |
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| 21:46.40 | goozbach | figured it out |
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| 21:47.05 | goozbach | command line options are being over-ridden by /etc/debmirror.conf |
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| 21:53.09 | _abc_ | has anyone had success to send obex PUT with kioclient ? I get a strange failure message (sending using the gui from konqueror works) |
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| 22:05.21 | rgr | So keys working fine, but what could cause a 10 s delay to log in to a machine on the lan where I dont even need a name lookup e.g "ssh 192.168.0.101" is taking about 10s til I get a prompt. Why the delay? |
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| 22:06.16 | _abc_ | has anyone got a clue why kioclient or qobexclient throw errors but bluetooth push from the gui works ?! |
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| 22:06.43 | _abc_ | rgr is its ip unique ? |
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| 22:08.13 | rgr | yes. |
| 22:09.37 | AppDeb | rgr: ping starts fadt? |
| 22:09.45 | AppDeb | fast |
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| 22:15.15 | rgr | AppDeb: yes. |
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| 22:17.35 | PeHe | Hi! Is there some knowm bug in netinstall.tgz (lenny). I install it and everythink is working fine, but when i boot it just hangs at "GRUB loading please wait..." |
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| 22:19.59 | Pericius | i installed .deb package but during the process, computer froze... now it complains it can't install because some files from it already exist |
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| 22:20.04 | Pericius | how to install it? |
| 22:20.51 | PeHe | hmm.. try to purge it? dpkg --purge package-name |
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| 22:21.06 | PeHe | are you installing from apt or just some .deb file? |
| 22:21.12 | Pericius | deb file |
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| 22:21.43 | PeHe | yeah.. just purge it first, but i dont think its going to help |
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| 22:21.48 | PeHe | but its best so :d |
| 22:21.52 | jpinx | Pericius: try installing with aptitude from the repos |
| 22:21.58 | PeHe | you can always use --force |
| 22:22.01 | Pericius | jpinx: no net connection there |
| 22:22.05 | Pericius | and i used --force |
| 22:22.25 | Pericius | maybe --force-all? |
| 22:22.41 | PeHe | well at least its going to install it, but dont its good idea |
| 22:22.59 | Pericius | ok, be back |
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| 22:25.10 | micheal | hello, what to use as vncserver on debian? |
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| 22:25.47 | micheal | or is something similar maybe already installed? |
| 22:26.08 | funky | vino |
| 22:26.13 | funky | on gnome |
| 22:26.39 | funky | aptitude search vnc |
| 22:26.56 | micheal | not found, okay ill do a search thanks |
| 22:27.14 | funky | not found ? |
| 22:27.15 | funky | i vino - VNC server for GNOME |
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| 22:27.33 | jorik | micheal: tightvncserver - virtual network computing server software |
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| 22:27.49 | micheal | yes, i found tightvncserver |
| 22:29.30 | micheal | wow, thanks it works. how to add it to autostartup? /etc/rc.d/? |
| 22:29.35 | cmyers_work | for anyone that might be wondering - I solved my music player problems completely. MPD is the golden nectar I needed. It is a superior, polished music player which exceeds expectations when coupled with mpc and gmpc clients. |
| 22:30.07 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:30.32 | micheal | good n8 |
| 22:30.35 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a Linux PDF reader that will let you bookmark what you're reading? |
| 22:31.12 | micheal | # /etc/rc.local is for autostartup and executes the lines after all others right? |
| 22:31.18 | phogg | jhutchins_lt: try okular |
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| 22:31.50 | micheal | to add "vncserver" to this file starts my vncserver or? |
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| 22:33.27 | cusco | hi |
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| 22:33.35 | cusco | rename .asp .asp.html *.asp |
| 22:33.37 | cusco | used to work |
| 22:33.41 | cusco | it does not anymore |
| 22:33.43 | cusco | :( |
| 22:34.01 | cusco | Bareword "asp" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. |
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| 22:34.26 | disgrntld | What's the best way to download a package from unstable onto a stable system? |
| 22:34.54 | micheal | backup before |
| 22:34.57 | micheal | :) |
| 22:35.08 | micheal | or is it just an download i dont know |
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| 22:35.19 | disgrntld | er, I meant install |
| 22:35.23 | cusco | I think it was apt-get install -t unstable packagename |
| 22:35.25 | micheal | backup every singe byte :) |
| 22:35.28 | cusco | once you have the sources |
| 22:35.41 | disgrntld | it's not X11 or anything |
| 22:35.46 | disgrntld | it's just plt-scheme |
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| 22:36.04 | disgrntld | I just don't want to install from binaries |
| 22:36.13 | disgrntld | that feels...dirty |
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| 22:36.39 | disgrntld | well, without apt.. |
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| 22:37.11 | micheal | need little help, need to add "vncserver" on startup, is there a quickcommand available like "chkconfig --add vncserver"? |
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| 22:37.31 | phogg | micheal: what do you mean "add"? |
| 22:37.38 | cusco | apt-get --compile |
| 22:37.44 | micheal | add vncserver on systemboot |
| 22:37.51 | phogg | sucode: you mean apt-build? |
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| 22:38.56 | micheal | i can simply type it into the /etc/rc.local file but by default this script isnt runningm how to enable /etc/rc.local? |
| 22:39.30 | phogg | micheal: on what distribution? |
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| 22:39.37 | micheal | debian 5 |
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| 22:40.05 | phogg | micheal: /etc/init.d/rc.local is where Debian would put it |
| 22:40.31 | phogg | micheal: but don't do that. Add a new script file in /etc/init.d/ and use update-rc.d to add symlinks to appropriate runlevels |
| 22:40.47 | phogg | micheal: what I don't understand is what you want this script to do. |
| 22:41.02 | mfrisch | doing a upgrade from lenny to squeeze and everytime I lose my connection....I still have dns but cannot connect to the mirrors. |
| 22:41.05 | micheal | i just want vncserver at startup |
| 22:41.25 | phogg | micheal: there should already be a startup script in /etc/init.d/ for it |
| 22:41.26 | micheal | #/etc/init.d/rc.local isnt at present |
| 22:41.46 | micheal | anyway, |
| 22:41.50 | phogg | micheal: look in /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian to see if there are any special instructions for getting it to run automatically. |
| 22:42.05 | micheal | well. okay |
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| 22:42.47 | phogg | micheal: what vnc software is it? Which package? |
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| 22:44.52 | jhutchins_lt | phogg: Thanks, but I've had to keep kde at 3.5 so I can get work done. |
| 22:44.59 | mfrisch | jelly jetscreamer Wyzard_ anyone around for a stupid question!?!?! |
| 22:45.30 | phogg | jhutchins_lt: kpdf, then |
| 22:45.30 | jelly-home | "there are no stupid questions, only stupid people" |
| 22:45.40 | phogg | mfrisch: do not ask to ask, just ask |
| 22:45.42 | mfrisch | jelly-home Hi jelly |
| 22:45.49 | mfrisch | doing a upgrade from lenny to squeeze and everytime I lose my connection....I still have dns but cannot connect to the mirrors. |
| 22:45.50 | phogg | mfrisch: someone will answer if they know |
| 22:46.08 | mfrisch | phogg am not new just not been around for awhile ;=)) |
| 22:46.52 | mfrisch | WELL? |
| 22:47.00 | phogg | asking specific person a question is usually a bad idea |
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| 22:47.12 | Cheesebaron | hello! |
| 22:47.15 | Cheesebaron | I have some problems |
| 22:47.21 | Cheesebaron | I am running the debian live |
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| 22:47.25 | Cheesebaron | but there is no installer |
| 22:47.27 | Cheesebaron | help plz |
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| 22:47.49 | mfrisch | phogg are you a bot or just got a stick somewhere?? |
| 22:48.52 | phogg | mfrisch: I am trying to give a reason for what I say. |
| 22:49.06 | mfrisch | phogg it should be a simple solution...did the upgrade twice same results |
| 22:49.30 | mfrisch | added resolvconf in the second try just for fun |
| 22:49.40 | jhutchins_lt | phogg: No bookmarks, fails to open file over SMB. |
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| 22:50.23 | jelly-home | mfrisch: is eg. google.com pingable? |
| 22:50.26 | Cheesebaron | How do I shoot web? |
| 22:50.45 | Cheesebaron | joke aside, I want to install debian on my server |
| 22:50.45 | jelly-home | become a comic book character |
| 22:50.48 | phogg | mfrisch: Could be a lot of things, I don't know. Check hosts.deny and firewall rules as well. |
| 22:50.59 | Cheesebaron | but there isnt an installer on the Debian Live USB image I found |
| 22:51.00 | mfrisch | jelly-home yup and host returns ip's but no go for aptitude apt-get or what not even though host returns ip's |
| 22:51.08 | jpinx | Cheesebaron: download the installer ad install it |
| 22:51.20 | Cheesebaron | like aptitude install debian-installer? |
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| 22:51.30 | mfrisch | phogg uhm no firewall and have not changed a thing nice try |
| 22:51.33 | jpinx | Cheesebaron: what OS do you have atm? |
| 22:51.39 | Cheesebaron | none? |
| 22:51.51 | jelly-home | mfrisch: what does "no go" mean, can we get a command line and its failing output? |
| 22:51.51 | Cheesebaron | I am running directly from the image on the USB pen drive |
| 22:52.01 | jpinx | Cheesebaron: then download the installer and install debian stable |
| 22:52.04 | Cheesebaron | which is the one from: live.debian.net |
| 22:52.16 | phogg | mfrisch: you asked. I never claimed I had an answer to your problem, which is why I did not volunteer one. |
| 22:52.17 | jpinx | Cheesebaron: forget the live - you need the installer |
| 22:52.18 | Cheesebaron | jpinx: elaborate please |
| 22:52.24 | mfrisch | jelly-home cannot resolve the mirrors tempory down the message is not in front of me can get |
| 22:52.28 | Cheesebaron | well i need it to boot from USB |
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| 22:52.36 | Cheesebaron | and I dont see any premade images |
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| 22:52.47 | jpinx | Cheesebaron: look for the isntaller in debian.org |
| 22:52.49 | mfrisch | phogg chill out man ;-) |
| 22:52.57 | jelly-home | mfrisch: do you have apt set up to use a proxy? |
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| 22:53.20 | mfrisch | jelly-home shouldn't but lynx will not resolve anything either |
| 22:53.21 | phogg | mfrisch: you first. |
| 22:53.51 | mfrisch | phogg never |
| 22:54.05 | Cheesebaron | jpinx: the files I can find are vmlinuz stuff that I really cant use for anything |
| 22:54.09 | Cheesebaron | where are the premade images? |
| 22:54.10 | jelly-home | mfrisch: exact paste would be useful (run inside "script", or paste the output to a file, then bring it over using an usb stick or LAN) |
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| 22:55.18 | jpinx | Cheesebaron: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 22:55.25 | mfrisch | jelly-home tempory failure resolving my mirror |
| 22:55.37 | mfrisch | jelly-home when trying an aptitude update |
| 22:55.53 | Cheesebaron | jpinx: yes that IS where I am now, but seriously what do I do with the vmlinuz files, and the boot.img? |
| 22:56.00 | Cheesebaron | it doesnt say that |
| 22:56.35 | mfrisch | jelly-home did full-upgrade then it borks after a reboot |
| 22:56.42 | jpinx | Cheesebaron: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 22:56.59 | jelly-home | mfrisch: and all this while "getent hosts google.com" works and pinging it works as well? |
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| 22:57.31 | mfrisch | jelly-home well just host google.com or host ftp.us.debian.org |
| 22:57.47 | PeHe | http://s.o4f.org/~pete/lenny-netinstall-fail.png <- any idea what could cause this? I installed lenny (i386/amd64) through PXE. It just hangs there. I know the server is fine cos i have succesfully installed lenny with local install |
| 22:58.15 | jelly-home | mfrisch: please do "getent hosts google.com" and ping it and report whether it works. |
| 22:58.27 | mfrisch | jelly-home brb |
| 22:58.44 | PeHe | grub just hangs.. i have never seend this and i used debian over 10 years |
| 22:59.21 | jelly-home | mfrisch: contents of /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/apt/apt.conf, sources.list and complete output of that aptitude command would be nice |
| 22:59.39 | jelly-home | mfrisch: also check whether nscd is running |
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| 23:00.22 | mfrisch | jelly-home uhm....give me a minute have to dig out the flash |
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| 23:01.44 | jelly-home | mfrisch: I'll give you a lot more, going to sleep now and I'll maybe read it 'morrow. Others may help you if more info is provided... |
| 23:01.52 | mfrisch | jelly-home no on nscd |
| 23:02.04 | mfrisch | what is it |
| 23:02.15 | Descra | Someone know the impact of setting YES at chroot_local_user in the vsftpd.conf? (i ve read that's a security issue but i dont know how dangerous is it.) |
| 23:02.34 | jelly-home | mfrisch: it's a local gethostbyname() lookup cache among other things |
| 23:02.42 | PeHe | Descra: its security issue if you are not using it :D |
| 23:03.01 | mfrisch | jelly-home is a package? |
| 23:04.02 | jelly-home | no, jelly-home is asleep |
| 23:04.25 | mfrisch | jelly-home good night!!!!! |
| 23:04.43 | phogg | mfrisch: is avahi installed/running? |
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| 23:04.52 | _abc_ | any ideas why kioclient could fail to connect to an obex target when konqueror does it just fine ? |
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| 23:05.56 | phogg | mfrisch: or, check nsswitch.conf and see if mdns is listed for hosts |
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| 23:07.41 | mfrisch | phogg is just a base install on lenny then a full-upgrade to squeeze |
| 23:07.45 | mfrisch | nothing more |
| 23:08.12 | phogg | it has been so long since I did a base install I have no idea what's in one and what's an add on |
| 23:08.30 | mfrisch | phog well uhm... |
| 23:08.58 | mfrisch | phog shouldn't need avahi should I |
| 23:09.35 | mfrisch | phogg will put on but I don't remember that being a mandatory thing |
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| 23:15.23 | wiretapped | when/why is the debian/dirs file necessary? |
| 23:15.54 | wiretapped | any debian packagers in the house? |
| 23:16.01 | bzed | wiretapped: man dh_installdirs |
| 23:16.44 | abrotman | wiretapped: you want to know why there is the debian/ in a source package ? |
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| 23:17.01 | wiretapped | no, the dirs file in the debian directory. |
| 23:17.08 | wiretapped | (reading manpage now, thanks bzed) |
| 23:18.10 | wiretapped | ok, so that doesn't really tell me when/why it is necessary |
| 23:18.34 | wiretapped | but i seem to be able to make packages without it, so I'm going to |
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| 23:19.41 | bzed | wiretapped: when you need directories in packages to install stuff into |
| 23:19.41 | bzed | wiretapped: dh_installdirs creates the mentioned directories in debian/packagename |
| 23:19.42 | bzed | wiretapped: sometimes its useful |
| 23:19.57 | mfrisch | abrotman What's up ! |
| 23:20.13 | abrotman | hi |
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| 23:21.24 | wiretapped | what is the advantage over mkdir -p in rules though? |
| 23:21.58 | mfrisch | abrotman did a base lenny install. Then did a full-upgrade to squeeze only to knock down something so that now when I do aptitude anything it says temporary failure resolving host, even though host anything gives me ips |
| 23:22.06 | mfrisch | abrotman HELP |
| 23:22.25 | abrotman | dns broken ? |
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| 23:23.12 | mfrisch | abrotman well which part? host mirror gives me a ip |
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| 23:23.43 | abrotman | try another mirror |
| 23:24.03 | mfrisch | abrotman did. lynx won't even bring up anything |
| 23:24.20 | mfrisch | mfrisch but host resolves everything |
| 23:24.29 | mfrisch | uhm oops |
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| 23:24.50 | Descra | Someone know the impact of setting YES at chroot_local_user in the vsftpd.conf? (i ve read that's a security issue but i dont know how dangerous is it.) |
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| 23:25.30 | ajavid | Descra, yes... its self explanatory |
| 23:25.36 | ajavid | Descra, lookup what a chroot is/does |
| 23:25.42 | abrotman | mfrisch: what is the actual error ? |
| 23:26.12 | ajavid | Descra, set it to YES, almost always. |
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| 23:27.51 | spacelime | Hello |
| 23:27.57 | mfrisch | abrotman temporary failure resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org' when do an aptitude update. This happend twice after reboot. Two seperrate tries to upgrade to squeeze |
| 23:28.06 | abrotman | spacelime: http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
| 23:28.13 | ajavid | use a different mirror |
| 23:28.15 | abrotman | mfrisch: what was the other mirror you tried ? |
| 23:28.16 | spacelime | I wonder.... is Aptitude a part of the Debian project? |
| 23:28.17 | ajavid | !mirrors |
| 23:28.17 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
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| 23:28.29 | spacelime | i'de like to help out and translate a few things in it |
| 23:28.32 | ajavid | you can also try apt-spy and make a list of the ones fastest, working. |
| 23:28.33 | mfrisch | abrotman uhm ftp.debian.org |
| 23:28.42 | abrotman | mfrisch: stop using crappy mirrors |
| 23:28.43 | abrotman | jeez |
| 23:28.57 | mfrisch | abrotman but lynx won't bring up google.com |
| 23:28.57 | ajavid | abrotman, apt-spy |
| 23:29.03 | abrotman | mfrisch: so what? |
| 23:29.05 | abrotman | ajavid: what about it? |
| 23:29.11 | ajavid | would be good |
| 23:29.21 | abrotman | pfft |
| 23:29.24 | ajavid | but if its not installed, and he can't install it from repo |
| 23:29.32 | mfrisch | abrotman and how is the mirror pertinent if lynx gives the same error |
| 23:29.36 | ajavid | anyway, go to the link dpkg said, ping the mirrors until one works and use that |
| 23:29.53 | abrotman | mfrisch: "deb http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/ squeeze main" |
| 23:29.58 | ajavid | sometimes your nameserver will go haywire and not resolve something or another |
| 23:30.01 | Descra | ajavid: for exploit a chroot_local_user=YES you need a bug in the rest of the SO, or not? |
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| 23:30.12 | ajavid | sometimes I can't resolve debian.org and I have to use opendns |
| 23:30.18 | abrotman | mfrisch: does it give these same error ? |
| 23:30.47 | magesing | Hi everyone, My mother's windows box died recently, and I'm setting up a debian box for her, however, I have been unable to convince her to switch from MicroSloth office to OpenOffice... Has anyone here had success running office 2003 via the version of wine in the debian repos? I'm trying to decide weather to shell out the cash for the codeweavers version of WINE or not |
| 23:31.00 | ajavid | Descra, we're talking about vsftpd. Lookup any/all bugs/exploits it may have. its VS ftpd. Very Secure. When you jail a user in his local directory using chroot, its good. |
| 23:31.04 | mfrisch | abrotman lynx does yes after two fresh tries |
| 23:31.09 | ajavid | Descra, I do not understand your question AT ALL. |
| 23:31.22 | abrotman | mfrisch: i didn't ask about lynx |
| 23:31.56 | mfrisch | abrotman give me a sex |
| 23:32.02 | xeon-enouf | ... |
| 23:32.05 | ajavid | no |
| 23:32.06 | mfrisch | abrotman give me a sec uhm oops |
| 23:32.10 | ajavid | dont' give him a sex :) |
| 23:32.22 | ajavid | he shall be sexless! asexual! |
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| 23:33.19 | karsten | always thought of abrotman as sexless. |
| 23:33.20 | mfrisch | abrotman yup same |
| 23:33.26 | abrotman | same what? |
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| 23:33.36 | karsten | Or wait ... no ... mfrisch is sexless. |
| 23:33.38 | mfrisch | abrotman error with the texas mirror |
| 23:33.40 | xeon-enouf | !hug karsten |
| 23:33.41 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around karsten |
| 23:33.49 | karsten | Heh. |
| 23:33.54 | abrotman | mfrisch: so dig/host/nslookup all work, but apt fails? and lynx fails ? |
| 23:33.55 | mfrisch | karsten I miss irc ;-: |
| 23:34.11 | karsten | mfrisch: I miss #debian. Hardly every here no more. |
| 23:34.14 | ajavid | mfrisch, you're on irc |
| 23:34.17 | mfrisch | abrotman yup |
| 23:34.18 | xeon-enouf | heh, dpkg is an "it", and xeon-enouf is a "thing" |
| 23:34.19 | ajavid | mfrisch, to miss it, you have to go away. |
| 23:34.21 | ajavid | :) |
| 23:34.25 | _abc_ | i understand that one must watch one's typing here |
| 23:34.28 | abrotman | mfrisch: yup? exactly what i said ? |
| 23:34.41 | karsten | _abc_: No. There are plenty of people who'll watch it for you. |
| 23:34.42 | mfrisch | ajavid on another box |
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| 23:34.46 | ajavid | _abc_, no, one must ... not. |
| 23:34.53 | _abc_ | karsten: that's the problem |
| 23:34.55 | xeon-enouf | mfrisch: tried say wget or links2? |
| 23:35.01 | ajavid | _abc_, stay on topic. All is well. |
| 23:35.08 | abrotman | you're one to talk |
| 23:35.12 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, I think its a nameservr issue |
| 23:35.14 | ajavid | yes |
| 23:35.16 | xeon-enouf | mfrisch: how's ping working out? |
| 23:35.18 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 23:35.21 | _abc_ | wipes keyboard of spilled stuff and tries to focus |
| 23:35.23 | ajavid | I AM one to talk. Got a problem? |
| 23:35.44 | abrotman | yeah |
| 23:35.47 | rgr | I'm very sketchy on reverse lookup, but why would I need to add /etc/hosts entries onto a machine I am ssh'ing into for fast conenctions? They all share the same dns server which give the correct lan ip. |
| 23:35.50 | xeon-enouf | wonders if avahi-daemon is working it's broken DNS magic |
| 23:35.55 | abrotman | mfrisch: do you have a proxy on your ISP |
| 23:36.02 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, it has to be some sort of a nameserver issue imo |
| 23:36.23 | xeon-enouf | rgr: i don't need to do so |
| 23:36.43 | mfrisch | abrotman no quest dsl worked fine with lenny |
| 23:37.05 | mfrisch | xeon-enouf pinged google fine |
| 23:37.05 | ajavid | rgr, it prevents a lookup if the entry is in hosts file |
| 23:37.05 | rgr | it fixed it for me alright. strange. I can only assume my (gulp) bind setup is not complete enough. But it resolves the names just fine. |
| 23:37.05 | ajavid | rgr, otherwise it will have to look it up |
| 23:37.11 | xeon-enouf | rgr: i add entries to my ~/.ssh/config Host line |
| 23:37.14 | rgr | but why so slow? ten seconds== |
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| 23:37.28 | ajavid | I hosts as much as possible |
| 23:37.35 | xeon-enouf | mfrisch: i see |
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| 23:37.39 | rgr | thats nicer than /etc/hosts alright. I'll try that. But I'm still confused as to why so slow. |
| 23:37.40 | abrotman | mfrisch: can you 'telnet www.debian.org 80' ? |
| 23:37.54 | rgr | brb |
| 23:38.05 | sandman | I'm installing Debian into a virtualbox, and I was wondering which would result in a faster VM: 64-bit host OS with a 32-bit guest OS, or a 64-bit host OS with a 64-bit guest OS |
| 23:38.20 | ajavid | sandman, ram? |
| 23:38.25 | sandman | 4GB |
| 23:38.29 | ajavid | 32bit |
| 23:38.38 | sandman | Aye |
| 23:38.39 | xeon-enouf | rgr: it is possible /etc/nsswitch.conf is affecting that - but as root netstat -tuap, or lsof and see if avahi* is running - or pstree, or ps aux, or .. |
| 23:38.50 | ajavid | 64bit would have too large a memory footprint |
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| 23:39.01 | ajavid | especially if you give it less than 3-4 GB of ram |
| 23:39.02 | rgr | xeon-enouf: I already have my hosts (name not ip) in my .ssh/config |
| 23:39.06 | mfrisch | abrotman nope |
| 23:39.14 | sandman | ajavid: You sure about that? |
| 23:39.20 | xeon-enouf | rgr: i use IP and name, just in case ;-) |
| 23:39.23 | ajavid | your total is 4, I'm guesisng 1-2 for VM, not enough for 64, which leaves your system with 2gb on amd64.. again.. not optimal |
| 23:39.34 | mfrisch | abrotman tried resolvconf on the second try |
| 23:39.36 | rgr | I'll try the ip first and get back here |
| 23:39.40 | abrotman | mfrisch: can you `telnet ftp.debian.org 21' ? |
| 23:39.47 | ajavid | sandman, quite sure. |
| 23:39.57 | ajavid | sandman, you don't have to take my word for it. |
| 23:40.04 | xeon-enouf | rgr: i don't like rpc or portmap related services running for no reason other than to be able to type in a name |
| 23:40.24 | ajavid | sandman, I suggest reading up on how exactly memory management and 64bit works in 64bit |
| 23:40.42 | sandman | Okay, I believe ya |
| 23:40.50 | sandman | I was just confused as to why RAM entered into it |
| 23:40.50 | ajavid | ? |
| 23:40.59 | ajavid | I WANT you to go research |
| 23:41.05 | ajavid | learn on your own bro. |
| 23:41.07 | xeon-enouf | sandman: the applications you runand the way they are written determines speed |
| 23:41.11 | _abc_ | yes, that's it, whip him |
| 23:41.16 | mfrisch | abrotman no |
| 23:41.30 | ajavid | sandman, plays a huge role when concerning amd64 |
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| 23:41.51 | abrotman | mfrisch: and your /etc/resolv.conf looks correct ? |
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| 23:42.10 | ajavid | sandman, amd64 has a larger memory footprint and 32bit. You need really at least OVER 2GB to get any kind of 'speed' |
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| 23:42.24 | xeon-enouf | sandman: for example, 32bit vs 64 bit aside for a moment ; compare lightening speed of links2 -g vs the kludge of say Iceweasel/FF, or Konqueror say .. |
| 23:42.32 | ajavid | sandman, as for applications go, the amd64 port is fully 64bit compiled |
| 23:42.42 | rgr | nope - ssh config file made no difference. |
| 23:42.51 | xeon-enouf | sandman: and whta ajavid just said is a general truth |
| 23:43.09 | pipeline | sandman: broadly speaking, 32 bit is always going to be faster than 64. |
| 23:43.12 | mfrisch | abrotman uhm it's pointing to 192.168.1.1 so nope |
| 23:43.24 | pipeline | sandman: on, for example, solaris, almost all binaries are 32 bit, because all things being equal, 32 bit is faster |
| 23:43.26 | abrotman | mfrisch: isn't that your little hardware router ? |
| 23:43.36 | pipeline | sandman: amd64 versus i386, it's not QUITE that simple, since sometimes the extra registers are a big win |
| 23:43.37 | ajavid | pipeline, Occam's |
| 23:43.42 | mfrisch | abrotman yeah |
| 23:43.43 | ajavid | pipeline, simplicity. 32 |
| 23:43.50 | ajavid | :) |
| 23:43.57 | pipeline | sandman: something to bear in mind is that you don't need a 64 bit kernel to run 64 bit guest operating systems |
| 23:43.58 | abrotman | mfrisch: well, that shold work .. you can try ot change it if you want |
| 23:44.00 | xeon-enouf | mfrisch: ouch ... /etc/resolv.conf should have your ISPs nameservers, unless you're using some other thing for DNS |
| 23:44.14 | xeon-enouf | or .. maybe i'm bonkers |
| 23:44.28 | pipeline | sandman: you DO need a VT-capable CPU to host 64 bit guests. amd64 instruction streams can't be jerry-rigged the way i386 could - not enough shitty corner cases in the ISA :) |
| 23:44.31 | mfrisch | xeon-enouf got a backup of what it was in lenny haven't checked |
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| 23:44.48 | pipeline | sandman: that is, if the underlying hardware is 64-bit and VT-capable, your 32 bit host OS can have 64 bit guests. |
| 23:44.50 | ajavid | they can... |
| 23:45.09 | pipeline | ajavid: what can ? |
| 23:45.17 | ajavid | not the same way |
| 23:45.17 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: his hardware router is fine to use .. they usually work in a dnsmasq sort of fashion |
| 23:45.38 | ajavid | pipeline, overall though, its best to use 32, as I originally suggested |
| 23:45.47 | ajavid | pipeline, it all boils down to time vs effort and output |
| 23:45.50 | pipeline | ajavid: mixed bag |
| 23:45.59 | pipeline | ajavid: on debian, where having a mixed kernel/userland is a pain in the ass, yeah, 32 is a win :D |
| 23:46.06 | _abc_ | 64 bits is good for large objects and SQL |
| 23:46.08 | ajavid | we're on debian :) |
| 23:46.16 | ajavid | clogs pipeline |
| 23:46.20 | pipeline | ajavid: given my druthers, I would have a 64 bit kernel and 32 bit userland, but I got fucking tired of keeping a 64 bit chroot to build my kernel modules |
| 23:46.33 | mfrisch | abrotman it resolves stuff just like something is telling it to use a proxy or something didn't tell it to...where could that be |
| 23:46.40 | ajavid | pipeline, thats a beautiful setup for my 16gb |
| 23:46.41 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: ok - haven't tried that - i don't trust my consumer-grade 4 port hardware router, as sometimes it requires a power cycle, cause it flakes out ;-) |
| 23:46.56 | ajavid | I have a full amd64 port, I hadn't really thought about a 32bit userland |
| 23:46.57 | _abc_ | other than that ... i have friends who have all h@11s trouble to keep their 64 bit laptops working even with windows |
| 23:46.58 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: blow the dust out .. jeez |
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| 23:47.16 | pipeline | ajavid: it works really well, it's just annoying to maintain the 64 bit chroot |
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| 23:47.32 | pipeline | ajavid: my desktop is still mixed 64/32 |
| 23:47.33 | ajavid | _abc_, hell.fuck.shit.piss. its all good. we're all grown ups. we treat each other like grown ups. |
| 23:47.57 | abrotman | actually, you don't know that we're all grownups |
| 23:48.00 | ajavid | pipeline, I can imagie, im maintainign a few until i discoverd I could build packages without having a chroot |
| 23:48.01 | pipeline | ajavid, _abc_ : that is to say, we get very drunk and beat each other senseless if someone says the wrong thing |
| 23:48.12 | pipeline | ajavid: well, that's the convenient thing |
| 23:48.20 | ajavid | that too |
| 23:48.20 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: heh, it's not nearly as old as my p150 nor Deschutes, .. nor even my xeon ;-) |
| 23:48.23 | ajavid | organization |
| 23:48.31 | pipeline | ajavid: in an all-64 environment, you end up fucking with a 32 bit chroot constantly. With 64 kernel, 32 user, you rarely touch the 64 bit chroot :P |
| 23:48.42 | ajavid | pipeline, ahhh |
| 23:49.05 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: yeah .. but they sit on the floor and get filthy .. but anyways, they can do like a dnsmasq .. though it might be flaky depending on the model |
| 23:49.15 | ajavid | pipeline, why would you not touch the 64it? |
| 23:49.18 | ajavid | bit |
| 23:49.18 | mfrisch | abrotman is there some new default proxy file for system wide |
| 23:49.23 | pipeline | ajavid: how often do you build kernel modules ? |
| 23:49.36 | ajavid | ok |
| 23:49.39 | ajavid | good stuff. |
| 23:49.47 | abrotman | mfrisch: did you fix your resolv.conf ? |
| 23:49.51 | pipeline | ajavid: I use wine and proprietary 32 bit software frequently. I build kernel modules rarely :P |
| 23:49.54 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: my equipment doesn't sit on the floor - really - easier accessibility for pummeling it when it misbehaves :-P |
| 23:50.00 | ajavid | pipeline, yup, makes sense |
| 23:50.00 | mfrisch | abrotman to quest? |
| 23:50.01 | rgr | ok, the fix for slow dns was to add "UseDNS no" to sshd config. |
| 23:50.10 | rgr | any drawbakcs with that? |
| 23:50.13 | ajavid | pipeline, i'm going backwards, 32bit chroot for 32bit stuff |
| 23:50.20 | pipeline | rgr: not really. Less informative logs :P |
| 23:50.21 | xeon-enouf | (though i suppose i could "stomp" it when it's down there ;-P) |
| 23:50.25 | abrotman | mfrisch: go into the router .. on the status page, it will have the DNS server that it is using .. put those in your resolv.conf |
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| 23:50.38 | pipeline | ajavid: but then your'e fucking around in a chroot frequently, and the gola was to avoid that :) |
| 23:50.49 | _abc_ | rgr no |
| 23:50.49 | xeon-enouf | mfrisch: i'd haveto say yuo have a dnsmasq'ing issue as abrotman is i think saying |
| 23:50.50 | ajavid | yes, I see the wisdom of your words |
| 23:50.55 | pipeline | ajavid: for a while there were 64 bit packages in unstable |
| 23:50.57 | ajavid | I might do that here soon |
| 23:51.08 | ajavid | I actually need to run sid now, and run my server in stable chroot |
| 23:51.09 | pipeline | ajavid: so you could use a 64 bit kernel w/ 64 bit toolchain + headers for building kernel modules... all in the 32 bit debian. |
| 23:51.19 | ajavid | so I might go with 32bit sid userland here tonight or tomororw |
| 23:51.27 | ajavid | nice |
| 23:51.28 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: pipeline multiarch is being reanimated recently? |
| 23:51.31 | pipeline | ajavid: however it appears the 64 bit toolchain packages have disappeared, so you would be stuck with cross-compile if you tried to do it again today :( |
| 23:51.33 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, yes |
| 23:51.34 | mfrisch | abrotman uhm....let me check what it used in lenny have ln access to the router at the moment |
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| 23:51.38 | xeon-enouf | erm imeant ajavid and pipeline |
| 23:51.40 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, with squeeze |
| 23:51.44 | xeon-enouf | good |
| 23:51.46 | ajavid | hopefully |
| 23:51.49 | ajavid | well its planned |
| 23:51.53 | pipeline | xeon-enouf: unfortunately my definiton of "recently" is 2003+. |
| 23:51.57 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: help out please ;-) |
| 23:52.03 | xeon-enouf | pipeline: heh |
| 23:52.09 | ajavid | I got a company to run! and irc to chat! |
| 23:52.18 | ajavid | I have no time, I'm already doing other stuff in debian |
| 23:52.35 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, why don't YOU help out!? |
| 23:52.39 | ajavid | huh, lazy bastige |
| 23:53.15 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: i'm too dumb, or rather .. ignorant |
| 23:53.32 | rgr | But why is using dns so bad I wonder? |
| 23:53.36 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 |
| 23:53.40 | ajavid | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 "Squeeze" release goals |
| 23:53.50 | abrotman | rgr: did you try to do `nslookup <IP>` ? |
| 23:53.50 | ajavid | Multi-arch support, which will for instance improve the installation of 32 bit packages on 64 bit machines <- top of the list |
| 23:54.14 | rgr | on the server I am sshing into you mean? |
| 23:54.23 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: now ... how does that pan out IF that recent idea of freezing (in Dec/Jan) this one time wins? |
| 23:54.25 | abrotman | the one that was slow .. yes |
| 23:54.28 | ajavid | and kfreebsd |
| 23:54.36 | ajavid | coming soon to a debian squeeze near you |
| 23:54.46 | *** join/#debian r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) |
| 23:55.04 | ajavid | it means even year releales starting form 2012 |
| 23:55.11 | *** join/#debian rhodan (n=atlan@81.62.167.80) |
| 23:55.19 | rgr | all nslookups and pings were instantaneous. |
| 23:55.36 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: have you followed that debian-{policy,announce} (????) mailing list thread? |
| 23:55.41 | ajavid | which is fantastic, as there is some sort of a thingy |
| 23:55.44 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, not lately |
| 23:55.53 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, plans changed? |
| 23:55.54 | mfrisch | abrotman none of my lenny installs have a straight resolv.conf weird |
| 23:55.55 | rgr | abrotman: I take that back. I was wrong. |
| 23:55.57 | *** join/#debian d0ubleclick (n=ivan@dh207-52-212.xnet.hr) |
| 23:56.11 | rgr | it fails! |
| 23:56.12 | abrotman | straight ? |
| 23:56.13 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: i don't see any major beneficial changes taking place if that occurs |
| 23:56.21 | abrotman | rgr: is it an internal LAN ? |
| 23:56.22 | ajavid | are you serious? |
| 23:56.27 | rgr | ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 192.168.0.101, trying next server |
| 23:56.31 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, are you serious? |
| 23:56.49 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, the BIGGEST benefit... timed releases of stable. predictable |
| 23:56.50 | mfrisch | uhm well did a couple of those too and had different levels of configs |
| 23:56.54 | rgr | (this was nslookup ip) |
| 23:56.59 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: well, maybe in 2-3 years .. perhaps- however, i really think canonical will then make debian a dinosour |
| 23:57.05 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, above all, that is the hugest thing |
| 23:57.08 | xeon-enouf | er dinosaur |
| 23:57.21 | ajavid | what... don't talk nonsense |
| 23:57.38 | ajavid | debian quality speaks for itself mate |
| 23:57.44 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: you really need to read what the DDs and Maintainers have been saying ... |
| 23:57.52 | nsadmin | is it takeout or is it disourno! |
| 23:58.08 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, what are they saying? |
| 23:58.08 | rgr | ;; reply from unexpected source: 192.168.0.101#53, expected 192.168.0.1#53 |
| 23:58.12 | mfrisch | abrotman uhm well did a couple of those too and had different levels of configs |
| 23:58.14 | *** join/#debian simNIX (n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) |
| 23:58.15 | rgr | so something is setup wrong! |
| 23:58.26 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, I read the blogs once a week or something maybe |
| 23:58.27 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: please .. wait |
| 23:58.30 | ajavid | ok |
| 23:58.30 | rgr | why did it expect the router before my dns server? |
| 23:59.08 | _abc_ | why do I get this: 'Adding client to server's list failed, CORBA error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0' whenever I open a gnome app under kde ? |
| 23:59.16 | *** join/#debian lindenle (n=lindenle@74.7.191.146) |
| 23:59.22 | rgr | dhcp has not correctly assigned the dns server as active the laptop I guess. |
| 23:59.38 | ajavid | I discovered a great firefox addon |
| 23:59.41 | ajavid | you may find it useful |
| 23:59.49 | abrotman | rgr: dhcp and dns are two different things |
| 23:59.51 | lindenle | Anyone know how to mount a mytouch 3G in debian? |
