| 00:00.00 | mfrisch | abrotman had some weather come through maybe something is borked on the router, although it does half work |
| 00:00.12 | _abc_ | lindenle: plug it in |
| 00:00.12 | rgr | yes, but does dhcp tell clients what dns are active? Or not? |
| 00:00.12 | ajavid | its called "Errorhelp search" |
| 00:00.15 | abrotman | rgr: nope |
| 00:00.15 | ajavid | look for it on mozilla addons |
| 00:00.34 | ajavid | great addon, good for finding error messages and stuff online |
| 00:00.38 | ajavid | resources etc. etc. |
| 00:00.43 | mfrisch | lindenle usually you add the ssh to iwhatever and ssh'it |
| 00:00.45 | rgr | ok. The the laptop is wrongly configured to use 192.168.0.101 as a dns. but resolv.conf is set to point there. |
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| 00:01.08 | ajavid | what will be the default FS for squeeze? |
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| 00:01.14 | ajavid | ext4? |
| 00:01.29 | ajavid | I mean on a brand new install |
| 00:01.42 | abrotman | you're asking the wrong people .. ask your friends in #-devel |
| 00:02.10 | rgr | weird I was sire dhcp assigned dns servers to clients. |
| 00:02.26 | mfrisch | rgr it can |
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| 00:02.42 | abrotman | rgr: it can assign dns servers to clients .. it normally does not update the DNS to include the dhcp client |
| 00:02.43 | mfrisch | gateway dns whatever |
| 00:02.52 | abrotman | though it can be configured to do that |
| 00:02.54 | abrotman | kind of |
| 00:02.56 | rgr | I thought so. Because it seemed the contents of resolv.conf were immaterial. |
| 00:03.05 | abrotman | rgr: or you could install winbind on the server? |
| 00:03.30 | mfrisch | abrotman you could do a ldap of dhcp and update dns with that or do you know an easier way |
| 00:03.31 | darko | hello, is there a way to save the state of all open applications and windows, so i don't have to launch them manualy when i reboot? |
| 00:03.38 | markybob | http://dpaste.com/88456/ <-- dhcpd config example with dns |
| 00:03.48 | abrotman | mfrisch: uhm .. there's a much easier way |
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| 00:03.53 | rgr | or I could jus figure out why the one machine is expecting a lookup from 192.168.0.1 and not my dns server on 192.168.0.101 like the other machines do as assigned by dhcp from what I can see. |
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| 00:04.07 | rgr | thanks for pointers. |
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| 00:04.26 | abrotman | markybob: to update the DNS server ... not get one from the dhcp |
| 00:04.35 | markybob | ah |
| 00:04.51 | abrotman | judd: info autodns-dhcp |
| 00:04.52 | judd | abrotman: autodns-dhcp (net): is extra; Version: 0.8; Size: 12.1k; Installed: 112k -- Automatic DNS updates for DHCP |
| 00:04.57 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: sorry - i can NOT believe how much google sucks ass nowadays |
| 00:04.58 | abrotman | i think is what you mean |
| 00:05.10 | sc | anyone know how to install kcontrol from kde3 (used to be in kdebase package) in debian testing? |
| 00:05.35 | mfrisch | abrotman am building a small network for a local shelter, which has been hell, want to use ltsp gosa etc... |
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| 00:05.42 | xeon-enouf | where the FUCK is the FUCKEN THREAD! |
| 00:05.43 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 00:06.13 | ajavid | abrotman, seems like ext3 it is |
| 00:06.13 | mfrisch | well it's a start |
| 00:06.30 | darko | hello, is there a way to save the state of all open applications and windows, so i don't have to launch them manualy when i reboot? |
| 00:06.32 | abrotman | ajavid: i'm not surprised (and I can read ...) |
| 00:06.38 | ajavid | oh |
| 00:06.39 | ajavid | you're there |
| 00:06.44 | ajavid | word. |
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| 00:07.07 | xeon-enouf | http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00010.html |
| 00:07.12 | xeon-enouf | satart there ajavid |
| 00:07.49 | ajavid | I just linked you to this |
| 00:07.50 | ajavid | ... |
| 00:08.07 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 |
| 00:08.21 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, anything else than that? |
| 00:08.22 | ajavid | other* |
| 00:08.46 | xeon-enouf | fuck you and fuck me - this shit (what i'm talking about) took place on a DIFFERENT list |
| 00:08.58 | xeon-enouf | fxiny!! |
| 00:09.01 | ajavid | uh |
| 00:09.12 | ajavid | did you sit on a pin? :) |
| 00:09.15 | xeon-enouf | try d-d-a |
| 00:09.20 | ajavid | ok |
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| 00:10.13 | xeon-enouf | where it shoul;d've been posted - but since the "release team" is almost all empowered, theyfelt no need to discuss it with DDs PRIOR to announcement |
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| 00:12.34 | xeon-enouf | man o man - iceweasel SUCKS |
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| 00:13.06 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: here we go ; http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-project@lists.debian.org/msg18041.html |
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| 00:13.28 | markybob | xeon-enouf, stop being such a drama queen. no one cares |
| 00:13.45 | macrobat | how do i pass arguments to iceweasel if i run it in gdb? |
| 00:13.51 | xeon-enouf | *not* debian-{policy,announce} .. but "project" |
| 00:14.08 | markybob | macrobat, gdb --args |
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| 00:14.34 | xeon-enouf | markybob: shut the fuck up you moron |
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| 00:15.04 | egilh | i have made a new user in debian 5, and I can FTP with it to my server. However I can only upload to my home dir. I need to upload to var/www. Any suggestions would be greatly apprec. |
| 00:15.06 | macrobat | it doesnt work, markybob |
| 00:15.28 | bpun | xeon-enouf, lol |
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| 00:15.36 | pacopil | juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html |
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| 00:16.09 | xeon-enouf | bpun: ;-) |
| 00:16.21 | macrobat | i get: "/usr/bin/iceweasel": not in executable format: File format not recognized |
| 00:17.19 | macrobat | "iceweasel" brings up the profile manager. do i need to delete my profiles? |
| 00:17.29 | xeon-enouf | btw, how's mfrisch doing? |
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| 00:18.47 | markybob | macrobat, gdb --args /usr/bin/iceweasel http://www.google.com |
| 00:18.58 | markybob | macrobat, oops, sh /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 00:19.01 | bjorkintosh | is squeeze the latest? |
| 00:19.08 | bpun | bjorkintosh, !stable |
| 00:19.12 | bpun | !stable |
| 00:19.12 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 00:19.33 | bjorkintosh | not concerned about stable... too many old packages. |
| 00:19.40 | macrobat | gdb iceweasel --args -P vimperator gives "-P: No such file or directory." |
| 00:19.52 | bpun | bjorkintosh, DebianLenny (Debian 5.0) is the current stable release of Debian, and has been since 2009-02-15. |
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| 00:20.06 | bpun | bjorkintosh, use updates in repo.. |
| 00:20.12 | bjorkintosh | stable, but boring. |
| 00:20.16 | bjorkintosh | repo? |
| 00:20.16 | markybob | macrobat, it's gdb --args sh /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 00:20.30 | markybob | macrobat, you're not putting things in the right places |
| 00:20.47 | bpun | bjorkintosh, rtfm |
| 00:21.07 | bpun | bjorkintosh, now you're boring < ! -_ |
| 00:21.08 | bjorkintosh | thanks :) |
| 00:21.23 | bjorkintosh | i already %s/lenny/squeeze/g |
| 00:21.30 | bjorkintosh | ... live a little i say! |
| 00:21.48 | bpun | bjorkintosh, excuse me? |
| 00:21.58 | bjorkintosh | i'm expecting a big crash soon. |
| 00:22.14 | bjorkintosh | fortune cookie told me so. |
| 00:22.28 | bjorkintosh | and you're excused, bpun. |
| 00:22.33 | bpun | i have no clue why people talk to themselves like bjorkintosh |
| 00:22.43 | bpun | -_- |
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| 00:22.56 | bjorkintosh | it's called benadryl. it does funny things to me for some reason. |
| 00:23.08 | xeon-enouf | how ... weak |
| 00:23.25 | bjorkintosh | what, he asked. i have el flu. |
| 00:23.28 | xeon-enouf | try morphine or something atleast :-P |
| 00:24.11 | xeon-enouf | bjorkintosh: sorry to hear you're i'll - hope for a fast recovery |
| 00:24.31 | bjorkintosh | my nervous system is pusillanimous and is rather easily jarred. |
| 00:24.33 | macrobat | markybob: gdb /usr/bin/iceweasel --args sh http://www.google.com doesnt launch iceweasel |
| 00:24.36 | bjorkintosh | so squeeze it is. okay thanks. |
| 00:24.47 | markybob | macrobat, jesus. sigh |
| 00:25.10 | markybob | macrobat, gdb --args sh /usr/bin/iceweasel http://www.google.com |
| 00:25.10 | xeon-enouf | macrobat: that's not what he wrote |
| 00:26.57 | macrobat | oh, i typed it in as you wrote it, i just wrote it the other way around in my irc client |
| 00:27.14 | markybob | are you drunk ? |
| 00:27.42 | macrobat | i just havent used gdb very much |
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| 00:28.02 | macrobat | it states that "sh" is ambiguous |
| 00:28.21 | hiwk | hm, I try to run gnatmake on an old ada program, and it says "fatal error, run-time library not installed correctly, cannot locate file system.ads" |
| 00:28.24 | macrobat | and i dont get a running iceweasel, am i supposed to? |
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| 00:28.29 | hiwk | it has worked before |
| 00:28.40 | markybob | macrobat, after you do that, you have to type in 'run' |
| 00:28.48 | acu | which is the linux certification which is most useful to debian ? |
| 00:29.23 | acu | are there other debian meetings workshops except debconf ? |
| 00:29.42 | dondelelcaro | acu: debconf isn't a workshop, really |
| 00:30.02 | MikeH | if I am sshing to a machine, and want to run X on the machines physical monitor |
| 00:30.12 | MikeH | what do I need to do, just set DISPLAY? what should it be set to? |
| 00:30.39 | acu | dondelelcaro: well, what are the venues where you meet flesh and bone debianers ? |
| 00:30.49 | dondelelcaro | MikeH: set DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY to whatever is appropriate to the x server that's running |
| 00:31.06 | MikeH | how can I find these values? |
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| 00:31.45 | acu | dondelelcaro: do you do bionformatics ? |
| 00:31.46 | dondelelcaro | MikeH: if you've just got a normal X server running as the user that you're ssh'ed in as, DISPLAY=:0.0 XAUTHORITY=/home/foouser/.Xauthority foocmd; should be enough |
| 00:31.57 | dondelelcaro | acu: yes |
| 00:32.33 | dondelelcaro | acu: Debconf is one, but there are local conferences as well, where you can meet people. there just aren't any which are specifically geared to Debain |
| 00:32.36 | dondelelcaro | s/ai/ia/ |
| 00:32.44 | acu | what do you use ? EMBOSS TM4 |
| 00:32.50 | dondelelcaro | acu: Debconf itself is primarily geared to Debian Development |
| 00:33.06 | dondelelcaro | acu: for what? |
| 00:33.39 | dondelelcaro | uses all kinds of things for bioinformatics |
| 00:33.41 | acu | dondelelcaro, microarray analysis, genome wide analysis, alligments |
| 00:34.05 | MikeH | dondelelcaro: what is the "foocmd" part about? |
| 00:34.41 | dondelelcaro | acu: R, R, depends on what type of alignment. |
| 00:34.53 | dondelelcaro | MikeH: whatever command you want to run |
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| 00:35.25 | dondelelcaro | (and for GWAS, it also depends a bit; I have custom code that does some bits, and for others, I use R) |
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| 00:36.19 | acu | dondelelcaro: I am planning to start an institute and want to have hands on practical pragmatic courses in bioinformatics - there is a niche for that - there are a lot of courses but they are futile dweling too much in details, people go out without really knowing how to use the tools - and I remembered you were working on your phd or something - maybe you want to be a speaker (instructor) for some of the courses of your interest? |
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| 00:37.03 | dondelelcaro | acu: well, most of the stuff for bioinformatics is very problem specific |
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| 00:37.17 | gravity | custom code up the wazoo |
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| 00:38.07 | acu | R is a statistical software (replacement of SPSS and others) - so I should get that you are pretty good in that |
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| 00:39.18 | dondelelcaro | yeah, as far as general things to know, R and some language like perl, are probably the most important, and then the general tools, like statistics knowledge, understanding of some basic algorithms, like string alignment and blast; maybe some understanding of association and linkage, but everything else gets really domain specific very fast |
| 00:39.49 | acu | dondelelcaro: most people need simple analysis for gene profiling - which genes are up and down. then some simple k-means clustering or neural networks - somehting which gives them the confidence and jump start to do it on theyr own |
| 00:39.56 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I'd also consider database skills |
| 00:39.59 | gravity | SQL and such |
| 00:40.11 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 00:40.27 | dondelelcaro | acu: for almost all of that stuff, they should be talking to someone who does it |
| 00:40.39 | dondelelcaro | acu: invariably they'll make assumptions and/or screw things up |
| 00:41.04 | dondelelcaro | (and you almost certainly don't want to muck with clustering or nn-based groupings for most analyses) |
| 00:42.05 | acu | gravity: are you talking about bioinformatics for the database skills ? |
| 00:42.10 | gravity | acu: Yes |
| 00:42.23 | gravity | acu: The other way around rather. Database skills for bioinformatics. |
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| 00:43.18 | dondelelcaro | I've actually avoided needing much in the way of DB stuff, but that's just because I'm working on relatively limited sets of data now |
| 00:44.04 | acu | dondelelcaro, I am thinking very pragmatic clear cut analysis - no customization and phd - just straight forward handson courses - I know a EMBOSS and just a touch of TM4 for microarray analysis - I had a lot of bioinformatics courses and they were preety much useless from the pragmatic point of view |
| 00:44.07 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I found that I spent a few weeks reinventing sql poorly, and I gained a ton from moving to a real DB |
| 00:44.19 | gravity | hugs postgresql |
| 00:44.21 | acu | gravity: so you do bioinformatics too |
| 00:44.26 | gravity | acu: A bit |
| 00:44.34 | gravity | dondelelcaro is far better at it than I am |
| 00:44.35 | acu | gravity: you are my men - I use only postgresql |
| 00:44.38 | acu | man |
| 00:44.41 | acu | woman |
| 00:44.51 | acu | gravity is woman ? |
| 00:45.03 | dondelelcaro | sex is immaterial |
| 00:45.03 | gravity | No |
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| 00:45.06 | abrotman | gravity is law! |
| 00:45.12 | gravity | abrotman: ;-) |
| 00:45.13 | acu | because we do not know how it works |
| 00:45.50 | dondelelcaro | acu: well, you can certainly do hands on stuff, but I think that if someone isn't actually up on the literature and keeping up with everything, they'll have a hard time with it |
| 00:46.03 | gravity | acu: For some of those things people might just be better served by learning genespring or some other pre-packaged software. Alternately, for standard analyses like you're describing, lots of places have bioinformatics cores to handle such things with expertise |
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| 00:46.24 | acu | we know the law, but we do not know how it works - you might know a woman but have no ideea how it works (well, I think I know everything what's under the hood by now - at molecular level - and it is much simple and straight forward than anyone might thing) |
| 00:46.26 | gravity | I wouldn't dream of wading in to microarray analysis without a lot of guidance |
| 00:46.42 | gravity | Running the software is the easy part also |
| 00:46.47 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 00:47.07 | dondelelcaro | we gave a seminar about 4 years ago, which was basically a parade of papers on how not to do microarray analysis |
| 00:47.32 | dondelelcaro | (though it has gotten *way* better in the past 4 years) |
| 00:47.48 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Because the array quality has gone up? |
| 00:48.35 | gravity | paired t-tests and FDR have remained the same, after all :-) |
| 00:48.50 | bpun | acu, i think you're in some sort of asylum. You can be the biggest bum and still wonder why you're the richest man. I do think some of us know what we're talking about, except you of course |
| 00:49.02 | bpun | geegee |
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| 00:49.20 | dondelelcaro | gravity: mainly because journals have figured out what's crap, but yeah |
| 00:49.24 | gravity | aha |
| 00:49.28 | acu | indeed - and in your training you can use examples of datasets generated and analysed by top gurus - pat brown, quackenbush and others - and if you reach the same answers as they had - means you might be on the right track - yes there are many cores for bioinformatics - but I think they should be used for guidance not to do your data - otherwise is a pure waste of time (and moeny) |
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| 00:52.16 | acu | bpun: did you take same (or too much) Jesus juice? what are you talking about ? you made no statement or concrete reference |
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| 00:53.12 | simonrvn | wonders what bpun is smoking |
| 00:53.13 | bpun | acu, I really don't want to know how your life works. thanks but no thanks |
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| 00:54.20 | acu | bpun: good, so you can figure out how your works - that's preety important - know yourself is the most important and first step |
| 00:54.30 | acu | :) |
| 00:54.32 | dondelelcaro | acu, bpun: can you both take it elsewhere or use /ignore |
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| 00:55.45 | gravity | also spends a ton of his bioinformatics time just munging data in to shape for analysis. This isn't really a trivial skill and requires a reasonable mastery of a language like perl. |
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| 00:56.36 | trnzmeta | anyone connected md3000 to debian out there? |
| 00:56.59 | acu | gravity: you are heavy :) when I start the institute I will invite you and dondelelcaro for some seminars :) |
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| 00:57.40 | ajavid | yeah |
| 00:57.52 | ajavid | I've never found bio anything interesting :) |
| 00:57.57 | ajavid | I like music :) |
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| 00:58.52 | simonrvn | i'm too much of a flake to stick to science for very long.. it's interesting, but at the same time i find it lacks certain things. |
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| 00:59.45 | abrotman | trnzmeta: a what ? |
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| 01:00.48 | acu | ajavid: biology is most extraordinary and beautiful construction this universe (God) came with - Bethoveen and Sheakespeare are small pieces of dust in front of majestic beauty and frugality of nature, From the moment the sperm of your father and the ovum of your mother met, a choreography of gene expression was put in motion ending up a creature who can think and be aware - that can't be beaten by few strings of sounds, however clever they are put toghether |
| 01:01.22 | gravity | wonders what #debian is smoking |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | you started it! |
| 01:01.33 | acu | LOL |
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| 01:02.08 | trnzmeta | abrotman: md3000 = dell DAS unit |
| 01:02.24 | bpun | and the most beautiful thing about debian, technology and science is that IT IS TOTALLY SEPARATED FROM GOD |
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| 01:02.44 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 01:02.49 | gravity | aw, shit |
| 01:03.16 | acu | since is populated only by experts (except me) they have exhausted any technical question - but the geeks might find interesting that emotional inteligence and positive psychology (happiness) are now known enough to say we understand how we are wired and why we are weird at times, and awesome, loving at others |
| 01:03.29 | abrotman | acu: #debian-offtopic .. have fun |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | trnzmeta: which version of debian have you tried? what's the error ? |
| 01:05.12 | acu | abrotman: thanks, you are always a fine gentleman - that's native emotional inteligence |
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| 01:05.36 | abrotman | purges |
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| 01:07.46 | ajavid | acu, there is no comparison/competition. One lines emacs, one likes vim. One likes biology, one likes music. :) |
| 01:08.01 | abrotman | could we move on already ... |
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| 01:08.11 | ajavid | acu, at least I took the time and effort to go to school for it |
| 01:08.11 | SuperMIguel | i keep gettin this error after installing opera: W: GPG error: http://deb.opera.com stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F9A2F76A9D1A0061 |
| 01:08.13 | ajavid | moving on |
| 01:08.36 | ajavid | SuperMIguel, opera repository should have its key, opera isn't in debian |
| 01:08.39 | acu | ajavid: #debian-offtopic...have fun :) |
| 01:08.42 | ajavid | SuperMIguel, look on the page there |
| 01:08.44 | abrotman | !apt-key 9D1A0061 |
| 01:08.44 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 9D1A0061 ; gpg --export 9D1A0061 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 01:08.56 | ajavid | yup, hes an opera user |
| 01:09.00 | ajavid | he knows! |
| 01:09.47 | abrotman | doesn't see what being an opera user has to do with a missing key |
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| 01:10.18 | macrobat | SuperMIguel: i posted at the opera forums and made them change the key, it would have expired the 25th this month :) |
| 01:10.20 | ajavid | how did you know which key to pull then? for ihm? |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | it says .. right above .. he pasted it |
| 01:11.01 | ajavid | I don't use opera, never have. So I didn't know. Obviously... otherwise it would have taken one some time to look it up |
| 01:11.08 | acu | ajavid: see how I learned to be a gentlemen ... have fun :) sorry abrotman ajavid is not on offtopic channel - this was my last offtopic message |
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| 01:11.26 | ajavid | oh that he did |
| 01:11.56 | ajavid | acu, 08:08 < ajavid> moving on |
| 01:13.06 | ajavid | acu, but now I program! |
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| 01:13.27 | ajavid | acu, I think Debian is much more intersting an either music or bioinformatics |
| 01:13.46 | gravity | Thanks to the magic of Free Software you can do all 3 |
| 01:13.47 | ajavid | acu, there is so much to do |
| 01:13.55 | gravity | hopes that will put us back OT |
| 01:14.00 | gravity | er... on-topic |
| 01:14.18 | abrotman | it'd be better if ajavid could control himself |
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| 01:15.20 | abrotman | trnzmeta: is there an error when you connect it? |
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| 01:15.32 | ajavid | ok, so going from pasting my moving on, then talking about debian and how there is so much to do, and then (I was going into some debian stuff before you spoke up) <- how is this me not controlling myself. |
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| 01:15.47 | acu | :) School is a very inneficient excercise of obedience: yes Power to Debian, Zindabad Debian - I am so glad that this people are quardians of purity and power - and they are gentle too (OK this is my last off topic remark) - |
| 01:15.50 | ajavid | perhaps you should quit trying to instigate and act your position in here. |
| 01:16.08 | abrotman | you continued the conversation, even though the guy asked you to go to another channel |
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| 01:16.49 | ajavid | to you it seemed like I continued. I had moved on... to Debian... before I was interrupted with your bs |
| 01:16.57 | maxagaz_ | In "ip ro add 10.100.100.0/24 dev vlan100", "ip ro" is like "ip route" ? I didn't find it in the man. |
| 01:17.02 | ajavid | you can continue to badger me, or move on. pick one. |
| 01:17.02 | abrotman | whatever you think |
| 01:17.04 | ajavid | I'm done. |
| 01:17.30 | abrotman | maxagaz_: you could use 'route add' ? |
| 01:17.45 | ajavid | acu, Zindabad indeed |
| 01:17.47 | maxagaz_ | abrotman, why ? |
| 01:17.54 | abrotman | maxagaz_: where did you get that command from ? |
| 01:17.54 | ajavid | acu, and Pakistan too :) |
| 01:18.17 | maxagaz_ | abrotman, from a script i try to understand |
| 01:18.25 | ajavid | acu, #linux-pakistan |
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| 01:18.42 | maxagaz_ | abrotman, is that a bad syntax ? |
| 01:18.53 | abrotman | maxagaz_: man ip .. it tells you how to use 'ip route add' etc |
| 01:19.17 | ajavid | acu, a flag with the debian smoke swirl, Debian Zindabad |
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| 01:19.34 | engrxyz | how to install a debian package including its dependencies using apt-get |
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| 01:19.49 | abrotman | engrxyz: apt-get install pkg |
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| 01:20.06 | ajavid | engrxyz, use aptitude instead |
| 01:20.11 | ajavid | !tell engrxyz -about why aptitude |
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| 01:20.23 | engrxyz | abrotman, : i tried that i got crazy dependencies error |
| 01:20.33 | Tux^verdreifelt | hm. |
| 01:20.36 | abrotman | engrxyz: use a pastebin to show us the error |
| 01:20.38 | ajavid | engrxyz, aptitude install something. Pastebin your error message, full output |
| 01:20.39 | maxagaz_ | abrotman, the thing is that i didn't find "ip ro" in the man of ip, that's i'm wondering if it's an alias of "ip route ..." |
| 01:20.39 | Tux^verdreifelt | !tell Tux^verdreifelt -about why aptitude |
| 01:20.43 | Tux^verdreifelt | :-) |
| 01:20.44 | Tux^verdreifelt | ah. |
| 01:20.49 | abrotman | !tell Tux^verdreifelt about selftell |
| 01:20.49 | ajavid | Tux^verdreifelt, /msg dpkg keyword |
| 01:20.54 | ajavid | !dpkgbot |
| 01:20.54 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 01:21.06 | engrxyz | aptitude seems to work fine |
| 01:21.07 | ajavid | Tux^verdreifelt, there is also /msg dpkg dpkg.web.search |
| 01:21.13 | Tux^verdreifelt | ok |
| 01:21.15 | Tux^verdreifelt | sry :| |
| 01:21.22 | ajavid | engrxyz, you should use aptitude fulltime, always |
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| 01:21.46 | engrxyz | what's wrong with apt-get..whew i must have been in a coma last time i used debian was 2000 |
| 01:22.04 | ajavid | engrxyz, aptitude is more featureful and better at... read what dpkg told you. |
| 01:22.43 | ajavid | engrxyz, install aptitude-doc-en or whatever else and /usr/share/doc/aptitude etc. etc. |
| 01:22.46 | Tux^verdreifelt | so far i haven't had any problems with dependencies .. |
| 01:23.00 | ajavid | engrxyz, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html or here |
| 01:23.13 | ajavid | well my bookmark is for that page but uhm.. just go to the main page |
| 01:23.20 | SuperMIguel | i just installed virtualbox and i cant find it either in /etc/sbin nor /etc/bin any idea where it is? |
| 01:23.34 | engrxyz | yeah aptitude must have been new |
| 01:23.36 | abrotman | what is 'it' ? |
| 01:23.41 | ajavid | virtualbox |
| 01:23.48 | ajavid | he is looking for its binary I suppose |
| 01:23.55 | SuperMIguel | im trying to open it |
| 01:23.56 | ajavid | SuperMIguel, dpkg -L pkgname|grep bin |
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| 01:24.08 | ajavid | SuperMIguel, also /msg dpkg virtualbox |
| 01:24.42 | ajavid | SuperMIguel, you're looking in the wrong place, its in /usr/bin/ not /etc/bin/ :) |
| 01:25.23 | SuperMIguel | ajatollah, i dont have /etc/bin |
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| 01:26.14 | ajavid | SuperMIguel, apt-file search vbox|grep bin |
| 01:26.36 | ajavid | SuperMIguel, aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; |
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| 01:26.36 | SuperMIguel | Fuk me :) i have been looking for virtualbox and the damm thing is VirtualBox.. Hate my self :) |
| 01:26.39 | ajavid | before hand |
| 01:26.43 | ajavid | SuperMIguel, hahaha |
| 01:26.52 | Tux^verdreifelt | eewwww |
| 01:26.58 | Tux^verdreifelt | uppercase letters in binaries |
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| 01:27.01 | Tux^verdreifelt | uncool. |
| 01:27.07 | ajavid | Tux^verdreifelt, eww indeed |
| 01:27.24 | SuperMIguel | ajatollah, ya i hate that ... and im too lazy to run a damn ls and look for it |
| 01:27.25 | engrxyz | just curios, in my debian lenny, why is it the in /etc/X11/xorg.conf there is nothing there |
| 01:27.31 | ajavid | SuperMIguel, ajavid. |
| 01:27.59 | ajavid | engrxyz, it auto configures everything |
| 01:28.03 | ajavid | !tell engrxyz -about drxx |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | engrxyz: that's normal .. X probes the hardware to try to guess the best settings |
| 01:28.13 | Tux^verdreifelt | does it have any negative effects to alias ls='ls --color=auto'? |
| 01:28.19 | ajavid | color=always, and no |
| 01:28.30 | Tux^verdreifelt | ahyep |
| 01:28.33 | Tux^verdreifelt | always, sry |
| 01:28.37 | Tux^verdreifelt | on windows currently ;) |
| 01:28.42 | Tux^verdreifelt | ok thanks. |
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| 01:28.49 | engrxyz | yeah but how to enter the correct resolution, mine is comfortable with 1024x768 but don't have any idea where to locate that config thing |
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| 01:29.00 | ajavid | engrxyz, read what the bot told you |
| 01:29.33 | abrotman | engrxyz: you can use xrandr, or /msg dpkg xorg config .. see the part about creating an xorg.conf |
| 01:30.43 | ajavid | engrxyz, you should use xrandr to set your settings, no need to edit xorg.conf |
| 01:30.44 | steiner | How can I install kde 4.2 on debian stable? I tried switching over to the testing repositories and it just completely screwed up aptitude and dpkg (so much so that I'm just going to go with a clean install) |
| 01:30.44 | ajavid | steiner, you cannot, and if you do, it will not be supported. |
| 01:30.44 | steiner | then is there a way to safely migrade from stable to testing? |
| 01:30.44 | ajavid | yes |
| 01:30.44 | ajavid | steiner, /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 01:30.44 | ajavid | or was it lenny->squeeze |
| 01:30.44 | steiner | i replaced the sources with testing and like i said, aptitude got all screwed up |
| 01:30.48 | engrxyz | i got a kde gui but i want to ge a much wider screen |
| 01:31.00 | engrxyz | based from what i can recall, i need to know where is the xorg.conf |
| 01:31.18 | ajavid | engrxyz, again... READ what dpkg just told you in private message. |
| 01:31.35 | steiner | thanks ajatollah |
| 01:31.35 | engrxyz | i tried Xorg config |
| 01:31.43 | ajavid | ajavid goddamit. |
| 01:31.58 | engrxyz | it says Fatal server error |
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| 01:32.08 | abrotman | engrxyz: did you read what the bot told you ? |
| 01:32.11 | engrxyz | Unrecognized option: config |
| 01:32.31 | ajavid | engrxyz, what comamnd did you run? "X -config" ? |
| 01:32.33 | steiner | oh another thing. is the kernel included with debian the standard linux kernel or linux-libre? |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | engrxyz: did you read what the bot told you ? |
| 01:32.57 | ajavid | steiner, vanilla kernel sources with debian patches of course, not libre (whatever that is) |
| 01:33.17 | steiner | linux-libre is the kernel without those nonfree blobs of firmware |
| 01:33.25 | ajavid | I see |
| 01:33.36 | engrxyz | i did read |
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| 01:33.45 | abrotman | !tell engrxyz about xorg config |
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| 01:35.01 | ajavid | apparantly there is a .29 libre build for debian... not official i think though |
| 01:35.48 | ajavid | This is to announce that Debian packages of Linux-libre [2] are now available |
| 01:35.48 | ajavid | for Lenny users who want to use them: |
| 01:35.48 | ajavid | deb http://people.debian.org/~rmh/linux-libre lenny main |
| 01:35.48 | ajavid | enjoy |
| 01:35.50 | ajavid | http://www.debian-news.net/2009/04/23/linux-libre-for-debian-lenny/ |
| 01:35.57 | engrxyz | Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. the kde defaulted to 800x600 so i need to change it to 1024x768 |
| 01:36.29 | ajavid | engrxyz, grandr or xrandr, grandr is a gui in gtk for xrandr |
| 01:36.31 | abrotman | engrxyz: you can use xrandr, or set it in your xorg.conf |
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| 01:37.22 | ajavid | Builds for i386, amd64 and powerpc are available. They’re based on the Linux 2.6.26 version that came with Lenny |
| 01:37.23 | engrxyz | grandr is not on my system |
| 01:37.44 | ajavid | !install it |
| 01:37.44 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 01:39.06 | ajavid | steiner, did you get it? |
| 01:39.10 | ajavid | steiner, http://www.debian-news.net/2009/04/23/linux-libre-for-debian-lenny/ |
| 01:39.56 | user1_ | especially for debian backbones for small business, the standard advice a few years ago was to pick up a few HP 4 plus printers refurbished, as they are workhorses and indestructible. What's the current, up-to-date favored HP low cost per page laser workhorse available refurbished in large numbers? Also any opinions on favored HP color laser with low cost-per-page (low cost toner/refillable toner cartrdgs)? Ethernet networked is a must, duplex favored ove |
| 01:39.56 | user1_ | r non-duplex for black & color both. |
| 01:40.32 | ajavid | user1_, ask also in ##hardware |
| 01:41.01 | abrotman | user1_: i'd probably check the linuxprinting.org website |
| 01:41.01 | user1_ | ajatollah, thanks, asking here because of great HP support for debian, and good for smb info |
| 01:41.13 | abrotman | ajavid: maybe you should change your nick? :) |
| 01:41.17 | ajavid | perhaps |
| 01:41.17 | user1_ | make that HP support in linux, and I use debian |
| 01:41.29 | Nyle | at least for a bit. |
| 01:42.24 | Nyle | user1_, HP chose debian, Dell chose Ubuntu. Respect to HP. |
| 01:42.31 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:42.50 | Nyle | I don't own any HP hardware (EPSON here) |
| 01:44.04 | simonrvn | aren't they more or less the same anyway? ;p |
| 01:44.30 | user1_ | Nyle, for setting up a small business lan, in nyc some sys admins/techs recommended to buy HP 4/hp 4 plus printers for about $100-$125 as they last a long time and if something goes wrong you throw it out and buy another one refurbished |
| 01:44.35 | Nyle | !penixstrike simonrvn |
| 01:44.35 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking simonrvn to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:44.47 | Nyle | no! no!!, bad. thats a bad simonrvn |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | user1_: linuxprinting.org |
| 01:45.02 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:45.03 | Nyle | simonrvn, :) |
| 01:45.25 | simonrvn | like i give a crap ;) |
| 01:45.29 | Nyle | simonrvn, ubuntu... not even close. Debian is the shiznat! |
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| 01:45.43 | Nyle | simonrvn, like I take a crap! :) |
| 01:45.46 | user1_ | was good advice a few years ago, now need to install a new business lan, was looking for best latest advice for refurbished HP workhorses cheap on toner, both black and color lasers |
| 01:46.03 | user1_ | cheap on cost per page, not toner |
| 01:46.05 | Nyle | user1_, how much would one run for? this refurbished |
| 01:46.09 | Nyle | user1_, approx. |
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| 01:46.34 | user1_ | $100-$125 for a few dozen HP 4 + bought a couple of years ago |
| 01:46.41 | Nyle | user1_, or what kinda budget do you have? I'm just trying to see whether I should look into this or not for somethings |
| 01:46.45 | user1_ | ebay, one, two at a time |
| 01:46.48 | Nyle | wow, not bad at all |
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| 01:46.53 | abrotman | oh .. maybe he should go check linuxprinting.org ... |
| 01:46.54 | Nyle | user1_, how long do the used ones last? |
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| 01:47.10 | Nyle | I'll check it out |
| 01:47.38 | user1_ | a few years at least, with refillable toner the cost per page is ridiculously low and quality print is excellent |
| 01:48.09 | Nyle | hm. I just bought/installed an hp color laser for my dad's office |
| 01:48.11 | user1_ | the rubber gaskets/bands wear out on the refurbished... |
| 01:48.23 | user1_ | and paper starts to get stuck inside |
| 01:48.27 | Nyle | I wonder if this solution would be more cost effective than headachy in the long run |
| 01:48.46 | user1_ | cheaper to replace than service call/fix |
| 01:48.48 | Nyle | what are maintainance costs, if any |
| 01:48.53 | Nyle | true. |
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| 01:49.17 | user1_ | wasted some money on ebay for duplex and large capacity cartridge... |
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| 01:50.10 | user1_ | now can't find original back cover for non-duplex, and pages are sticking in one unit because of lack of original back cover and worn rubber oring/band in duplex back cover |
| 01:50.34 | Nyle | hmm /dev/sdc1 917G 695G 177G 80% /home/ajavid I saw a 2TB for 180$ |
| 01:50.34 | maxagaz_ | how to show only the network interfaces with ip addr ? |
| 01:50.52 | Nyle | but its only 5400rpm, I wonder... |
| 01:51.05 | Nyle | maxagaz_, what? |
| 01:51.08 | user1_ | and friend needs advice on a cheap cost per page for color laser as well, networked and duplex built-in, HP |
| 01:51.28 | Nyle | maxagaz_, ifconfig will tell you, its easy to read |
| 01:51.44 | Nyle | user1_, ##hardware or what abrotman said |
| 01:52.06 | maxagaz_ | Nyle, i want this information only, without all others displayed when typing "ip addr" |
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| 01:52.45 | user1_ | Nyle, thanks, wasn't sure about other channels |
| 01:53.27 | Nyle | maxagaz_, I don't know. I guess awk it? |
| 01:53.45 | Nyle | maxagaz_, extract it with that I dunno |
| 01:53.58 | Nyle | I'm not awk master, or even non-master |
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| 01:58.43 | maxagaz_ | Nyle, i thought some options of the command ip would do it |
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| 02:01.48 | ajavid | look at the ip man page |
| 02:02.01 | ajavid | I don't think so though. |
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| 02:03.22 | pickcoder | I just tried to install gnome and it download all of the packages and installed KDE? |
| 02:03.30 | ajavid | LOL |
| 02:03.38 | pickcoder | then when I tried to install a Gnome app it decided to remove all of Gnome's sub packages |
| 02:03.47 | pickcoder | wth |
| 02:03.56 | pickcoder | this is on Lenny ,btw |
| 02:04.28 | ajavid | ... |
| 02:04.30 | zinx | pickcoder: ... and you let it? |
| 02:04.30 | pickcoder | currently waiting for aptitude to screw up X so I can go back and fix it |
| 02:04.39 | pickcoder | let it what? |
| 02:05.04 | pickcoder | all I know is that it installed all of the typical gnome dependencies |
| 02:05.07 | zinx | let it remove all of Gnome's sub packages and install KDE |
| 02:05.17 | pickcoder | when I ran startX it started up KDE |
| 02:05.22 | ajavid | pickcoder, you are given a y/n choice |
| 02:05.25 | pickcoder | um |
| 02:05.28 | pickcoder | ok? |
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| 02:05.32 | pickcoder | so I can't install anything else? |
| 02:05.47 | ajavid | no upon installing/removing packages I mean |
| 02:05.49 | pickcoder | I.E. they were premarked as {u}ninstall by aptitude |
| 02:05.56 | pickcoder | I have no control over that |
| 02:06.28 | ajavid | remove it all, recheck your sources, install again |
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| 02:06.37 | pickcoder | sources are ftp.debian.org |
| 02:06.42 | ajavid | make sure its installing the right packages before you 'let it' |
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| 02:07.00 | pickcoder | let me grab my "gnome dependency chart" |
| 02:07.01 | pickcoder | :/ |
| 02:07.03 | ajavid | it should be right, on stable at least |
| 02:07.05 | ajavid | ok |
| 02:07.13 | pickcoder | well I'm saying.. it's not |
| 02:07.16 | pickcoder | aptitude install gnome |
| 02:07.46 | ajavid | goosefraba my friend. |
| 02:07.55 | ajavid | woosa. |
| 02:07.59 | pickcoder | btw, this is a vbox guest so I'm free to toast it and start over |
| 02:08.07 | ajavid | oh, well then wth |
| 02:08.11 | pickcoder | if I get time I will try to duplicate it |
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| 02:08.14 | ajavid | pickcoder, toast it, reproduce it |
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| 02:08.24 | ajavid | pickcoder, lets see if it does this shannanigans again |
| 02:08.35 | ajavid | ok |
| 02:08.40 | pickcoder | I just need alexandria to do some library inventory |
| 02:09.57 | ajavid | s/this/these |
| 02:10.17 | pickcoder | actually I can just create a new one |
| 02:10.51 | ajavid | just use gnome cd1 :) |
| 02:12.36 | pickcoder | tests the AMD quad-core |
| 02:12.40 | ajavid | pickcoder, btw, i recently found out why my back hurts so much |
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| 02:12.50 | ajavid | pickcoder, Bursitis. :( |
| 02:12.50 | pickcoder | too much IRC? |
| 02:12.56 | ajavid | lol, yes that too |
| 02:12.58 | pickcoder | ew |
| 02:13.04 | pickcoder | sorry to hear that |
| 02:13.08 | ajavid | me too |
| 02:13.11 | ajavid | getting old man. |
| 02:13.23 | ajavid | Ahhhhh boy. |
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| 02:18.19 | abrotman | self-control ... |
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| 02:19.36 | xeon-enouf | makes a custom cane for ajavid |
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| 02:21.18 | ajavid | 5 minutes later... |
| 02:21.31 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 02:23.54 | xeon-enouf | manufactures a custom walker for ajavid since the cane doesn't seem to be enough |
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| 02:26.30 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: gravity (unfortunately) isn't a 'law' .. it can't be proven, and is suscpetible to all sorts of (valid) critiques; think space/time and warping (although, i do get your use there as a 'pun') |
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| 02:31.01 | xeon-enouf | besides; congresscritters are qualified to pass 'laws' .. and that'll cost you a pretty penny, but you *will* get your way |
| 02:31.07 | gravity | smites xeon-enouf with his LAWHAMMER |
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| 02:31.55 | xeon-enouf | returns the flavor with a large text book :-P |
| 02:34.08 | xeon-enouf | wonders if 'academia' people really think they are 'all that'... sigh |
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| 02:35.59 | pickcoder | macadamia people? |
| 02:36.15 | xeon-enouf | has alreadyseenone his major ideas (from years ago) concerning solar energy concentration somewhat stolen and put into production .. but you know what? i'm not sure i can complain, since i discuss my ideas in open (public) |
| 02:36.55 | xeon-enouf | er stupid spacebar... heh .. you idiots can't design a better interface? |
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| 02:37.47 | Tux^verdreifelt | for a spacebat? |
| 02:37.49 | Tux^verdreifelt | r |
| 02:38.04 | xeon-enouf | pickcoder: those would fall into the 'nuts' category ;-) |
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| 02:40.30 | xeon-enouf | or.. perhaps the McDonalds university populous, depending on which 'mac' you mean :-P |
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| 02:42.46 | heyuxiang | hi, is there anybody using google wave? |
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| 02:46.42 | pickcoder | meh.. neither tellico nor alexandria will pull up book info by ISBN |
| 02:46.51 | pickcoder | or title for that matter |
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| 02:48.30 | wolgo | I am having a problem with iceweasel. Whenever I open it, the minimize, maximize and destroy buttons are outside of my field of vision on the display. How can I fix that? |
| 02:49.05 | abrotman | it's in fullscreen mode? |
| 02:49.32 | wolgo | No, I tried to hit F11 to make the title bar show again |
| 02:49.36 | wolgo | it did not work |
| 02:49.39 | wolgo | it is not fullscreen |
| 02:50.14 | wolgo | when it opens, it opens so that the title bar, minimize, maximize and destroy buttons are not in the field of display on the desktop |
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| 02:50.32 | wolgo | everything else opens normally |
| 02:50.55 | wolgo | this is in fluxbox |
| 02:51.17 | \amethyst | wolgo: move or resize the window with the keyboard until you can see what you need to resize it |
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| 02:51.35 | wolgo | also, when I pass the -height and -width params to iceweasel it ignores then and opens in the same manner |
| 02:51.45 | wolgo | \amethyst: resizing the window does not help |
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| 02:52.02 | wolgo | \amethyst: the part that I want is the portion that will let me drag the window around |
| 02:52.27 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps |
| 02:52.29 | bbelt16ag | i got serious isues with syncing my calendars with google calendar and iceowl. |
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| 02:52.42 | \amethyst | wolgo: hm, could be a window manager problem. unfortunately I don't know fluxbox :( |
| 02:52.49 | wolgo | actually I have an idea |
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| 02:53.26 | \amethyst | wolgo: but if iceweasel is ignoring command-line geometry arguments, it sounds like the wm forcing a particular size/location |
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| 02:53.49 | xeon-enouf | wolgo: why does that remind me of a windows problem... hrm,,, |
| 02:54.43 | wolgo | xeon-enouf: because it is a lame problem |
| 02:54.44 | xeon-enouf | wolgo: windows/redmond OS, i mean ... like Registry settings/values |
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| 02:55.46 | xeon-enouf | wolgo: tried ctrl-alt-+\- ? |
| 02:55.51 | msbhvn2 | when adding static IP aliases in /etc/network/interfaces that are all in the same subnet are there any reasons to add the gateway line to any but the first (non-alias)? |
| 02:56.27 | xeon-enouf | wolgo: how about your Monitor's AutoAdjust |
| 02:56.29 | wolgo | msbhvn2: not really |
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| 02:56.41 | wolgo | I got it |
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| 02:57.00 | wolgo | I turned full maximization ON and it stopped |
| 02:57.03 | wolgo | which is odd |
| 02:57.21 | wolgo | because I would think that would do exactly what I do not want it to do... |
| 02:57.35 | bbelt16ag | well i would have to say sunbird is very very buggy if i can't even sync. |
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| 02:57.48 | wolgo | bbelt16ag: it probably is |
| 02:57.55 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: i thought it had been abandoned in favor of lightning ? |
| 02:58.10 | wolgo | I hate calendar/scheduling apps so much I made my own |
| 02:58.16 | wolgo | same with address books |
| 02:58.23 | wolgo | xeon-enouf: thanks a lot |
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| 02:59.48 | xeon-enouf | np |
| 03:00.06 | bbelt16ag | never tried lightning, whats the debian name? |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | don't think there is one .. it's a plugin for thunderbird/icedove |
| 03:00.43 | abrotman | though ... i'll say in the TB3 betas it's way better than TB/ID 2 |
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| 03:01.13 | bbelt16ag | there is no package in the repo |
| 03:01.35 | bbelt16ag | going to look for source online hope it works not holding my breath though couldnt even get thunderbird to compile last time.. |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | i'm sure they have a binary installer like they do for FF |
| 03:02.39 | bbelt16ag | unuh its a firefox extension. |
| 03:02.43 | bbelt16ag | interesting... |
| 03:03.07 | bbelt16ag | and oh look it wont install Lightning 0.9 could not be installed because it is not compatible with Iceweasel 3.0.6. |
| 03:03.52 | bbelt16ag | bravo! bravo mozilla just pissed me off even more. *hugs debian* |
| 03:04.02 | abrotman | no, it's a thunderbird extension |
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| 03:07.23 | bbelt16ag | eh? |
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| 03:09.46 | bbelt16ag | ok it worked.... |
| 03:10.12 | bbelt16ag | ok they need to put in some code in firefox download that tests if the addon is for which product... |
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| 03:12.45 | bbelt16ag | so what does lightning have that sunbird dont besides actually workin? |
| 03:14.52 | markybob | in-depth calendar |
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| 03:15.06 | Tux^verdreifelt | it doesn't need a separate application installation |
| 03:15.07 | Tux^verdreifelt | :> |
| 03:15.11 | Pericius | how to upgrade kernel and remove the old one without compiling? |
| 03:15.13 | markybob | people still care? everyone i know just used google apps :P |
| 03:15.40 | bbelt16ag | indepth? |
| 03:15.45 | bbelt16ag | what does that mean? |
| 03:15.51 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:16.39 | bbelt16ag | its doing it too i think.... |
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| 03:17.25 | bbelt16ag | dunni will see in a sec food burning |
| 03:17.46 | Pericius | i have 2.6.26 and need 2.6.28 |
| 03:19.52 | Pericius | i'm using stable lenny |
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| 03:21.50 | Wyzard_ | Pericius: backports.org probably has newer kernels packaged for lenny (though I haven't checked) |
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| 03:23.52 | Pericius | yes, it does... |
| 03:24.06 | Pericius | added it to sources list, did apt-get update |
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| 03:29.12 | Pericius | bah, will go with testing |
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| 03:30.56 | Pericius | where can i download testing... can't seem to find it on site |
| 03:31.22 | Pericius | foun it |
| 03:31.24 | Pericius | *found |
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| 03:33.01 | bbelt16ag | google apps ick |
| 03:33.30 | Pericius | is there netinstall for testing? |
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| 03:34.13 | Pericius | found that too :D |
| 03:34.38 | Pericius | i'm full of spam today |
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| 03:40.28 | kossa | hello everybody |
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| 03:48.04 | Pericius | hello |
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| 03:48.20 | Pericius | what's the core package of xorg for debian? |
| 03:49.22 | Pericius | um, xorg? :D |
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| 03:54.15 | kossa | somebody have experience whit massive installations? |
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| 04:01.17 | kossa | ¿Ping Vs CloneZilla Vs FAI? |
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| 04:05.07 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
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| 04:08.26 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
| 04:08.36 | _Trinity_ | I'm seeing that it's suggested to upgrade using the "update" then the "dist upgrade" appelatives. I'm sure I used to throw in a regular upgade before the dist-upgrade back in my Debian days |
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| 04:09.21 | _Trinity_ | I see here that someone writes that system can be rendered bootless if done as I recall. Is this true?? |
| 04:09.46 | ajavid | no |
| 04:10.14 | ajavid | for the most part |
| 04:10.24 | _Trinity_ | so it's a myth --the hosing your system with the upgrade |
| 04:10.27 | _Trinity_ | thought so |
| 04:10.30 | ajavid | in some certain rare cases sure, it can, but it shouldn't, because that is a critical bug |
| 04:10.55 | ajavid | stable de3bian should be just fine |
| 04:11.00 | _Trinity_ | I remember Debian upgrades stalling and being solved by the upgrade step |
| 04:11.17 | ajavid | its actually aptitude safe-upgrade and full-upgrade |
| 04:11.28 | _Trinity_ | thanks |
| 04:11.32 | ajavid | dist-upgrade is aliased to full-upgrade anyway |
| 04:11.34 | ajavid | man aptitude |
| 04:11.44 | ajavid | also, start using aptitude from now on too :) |
| 04:11.52 | ajavid | !tell _Trinity_ -about why aptitude |
| 04:11.57 | _Trinity_ | I'm new to aptitude. Used to use apt-get |
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| 04:12.10 | ajavid | you will love aptitude |
| 04:12.20 | _Trinity_ | but then I noticed that deps it installed weren't being removed |
| 04:12.27 | ajavid | it is very good at dependency stuff |
| 04:13.01 | ajavid | _Trinity_, don't mix apt-get and aptitude |
| 04:13.02 | ajavid | _Trinity_, that can't be true, on a default aptitude config |
| 04:13.02 | pickcoder | apt-get search ftw |
| 04:13.03 | _Trinity_ | that's before all the sh!t hit the fans , uh, the comotion about apt-get not removing deps |
| 04:13.05 | ajavid | pickcoder, apt-cache dude |
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| 04:13.10 | pickcoder | well o |
| 04:13.12 | pickcoder | k |
| 04:13.14 | ajavid | :) |
| 04:13.20 | ajavid | pickcoder, why/ |
| 04:13.28 | _Trinity_ | I'm staying away from apt-get, this time around |
| 04:13.28 | ajavid | pickcoder, why not aptitude search |
| 04:13.47 | pickcoder | I don't like the aptitude search results or the info reporting config |
| 04:13.58 | ajavid | it is very configurable |
| 04:14.17 | _Trinity_ | I hated that apt-cache, why isn't it "apt-get search"? That way it would be normative |
| 04:14.37 | Tux^verdreifelt | do you get sth? :p |
| 04:14.47 | pickcoder | do a quick comparison for a search on 'ISBN' for example |
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| 04:15.00 | pickcoder | the two most important packages are not even in the aptitude results |
| 04:15.04 | ajavid | pickcoder, what don't you like about 1) search results, 2) info reporting config (what is this? aptitude show pkg?) |
| 04:15.20 | nevyn | _Trinity_: it always made sense to me. |
| 04:15.32 | ajavid | pickcoder, which packages? |
| 04:15.33 | pickcoder | tellico and alexandria are book/music library apps that can do ISBN lookups and indexing |
| 04:15.34 | nevyn | because apt-cache did operations that didn't involve network transfers. |
| 04:15.34 | _Trinity_ | apt-get? |
| 04:15.44 | ajavid | $>sudo aptitude search ~disbn |
| 04:15.45 | ajavid | p alexandria - a GNOME application for managing book collections |
| 04:15.48 | ajavid | ... |
| 04:15.49 | nevyn | and apt-get did stuff that involved aactually getting things |
| 04:15.50 | pickcoder | the other stuff is crap relating to barcoding ISBN |
| 04:15.52 | ajavid | what is your piont? |
| 04:16.00 | ajavid | I don't understand what the problem is? |
| 04:16.07 | pickcoder | "aptitude search ISBN" |
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| 04:16.12 | ajavid | why? |
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| 04:16.44 | ajavid | if aptitude search doesn't show it, then you know to broaden your search by looking in ~d descriptions |
| 04:16.49 | _Trinity_ | the thing is, if you're installing apt-get install, deinstaling with apt-get remove, why is it al of a sudden apt-cache search (the "get" gets dropped) to do a search? |
| 04:17.08 | _Trinity_ | I hated that |
| 04:18.06 | pickcoder | the fact that I have to enfoce that everytime I search, but not when I used apt-cache search, is very annoying and not user friendly |
| 04:18.09 | nevyn | _Trinity_: I forgot remove is apt-get which makes no semantic sense |
| 04:18.18 | _Trinity_ | there's way to many times at night when my brain wasn't working and I couldn't figure out why the search wasn't working. My fault, I know. |
| 04:18.23 | ajavid | pickcoder, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
| 04:18.25 | _Trinity_ | I see |
| 04:18.48 | _Trinity_ | I'd change remove to deinstall too. haha |
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| 04:18.54 | _Trinity_ | apt-get deinstall |
| 04:19.03 | _Trinity_ | with two "l"s |
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| 04:19.28 | _Trinity_ | but with the de prefix |
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| 04:20.01 | ajavid | pickcoder, this is much more userfriendly than apt-cache search regex [ regex ... ] |
| 04:20.19 | ajavid | pickcoder, aptitude *IS* better. |
| 04:20.22 | pickcoder | ajavid: I never used regex |
| 04:20.41 | pickcoder | I'll stick with apt-cache search until it melts into the archives |
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| 04:20.52 | ajavid | pickcoder, look at the man page of apt-cache, search has that syntax, which is a bit misleading for newbs |
| 04:21.10 | ajavid | pickcoder, when it comes to aptitude search docs, users can easily see how to search for various different things |
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| 04:21.16 | ajavid | it is easier imo :) |
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| 04:22.16 | ajavid | pickcoder, for example if you wanted to search for packages maintained by Mr. X, you can do apt-cache search [complex regex to parse this from the info], or aptitude search ~mMr.X |
| 04:22.23 | ajavid | pickcoder, and so on and so forth |
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| 04:23.17 | pickcoder | ajavid: and that's great, when I need to search for a package that provides package "X" or I only want "essential" packages |
| 04:23.29 | pickcoder | I've not done that in the many years of running Debian |
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| 04:23.49 | ajavid | pickcoder, why not alias search='aptitude search ~d' in ~/.bashrc |
| 04:23.50 | ajavid | ? |
| 04:23.51 | pickcoder | I want the whole lot so I can filter it with grep |
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| 04:24.03 | pickcoder | ajavid: because I can still use apt-cache search... :) |
| 04:24.06 | ajavid | if you want to force searching in descriptions, like apt-cache |
| 04:24.13 | ajavid | OOF! |
| 04:24.29 | ajavid | Stubborn mule! /me launches a Poke Fu attack on pickcoder |
| 04:24.36 | ajavid | *poke* |
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| 04:25.04 | pickcoder | retreats and sends an army of firework carrying cockroaches |
| 04:25.11 | ajavid | lol |
| 04:25.30 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:25.31 | ajavid | I would get rats with explosives... make a bigger mess |
| 04:25.33 | ajavid | :) |
| 04:25.39 | _Trinity_ | lo |
| 04:25.40 | _Trinity_ | l |
| 04:25.40 | pickcoder | they're too expensive |
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| 04:27.00 | ajavid | man, seriously, apt-cache search can't do JACK |
| 04:27.05 | ajavid | :) |
| 04:27.06 | pickcoder | the marshmallow throwing monkeys are on vacation |
| 04:27.26 | pickcoder | ajavid: I'll switch one of these days |
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| 04:27.38 | pickcoder | too many other important things to deal with |
| 04:27.41 | ajavid | yes, get with the program old man! |
| 04:27.52 | ajavid | ;) |
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| 04:28.24 | linuxjones317 | i hava a question that i dont know if i am in the right channel to ask, i have got a cx18 tuner card, and i dont know where to put the firmware for it, anyone have any ideas? |
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| 04:29.02 | pickcoder | linuxjones317: normally drivers look for stuff like that in /lib/firmware/ or /lib/firmware/<some dir> |
| 04:30.23 | linuxjones317 | pickcoder, my /lib/firmware is totally empty, should i assume its safe to just put it there? like if it was liiking int <some dir> would that dir already exist or would i maybe need to make it |
| 04:30.35 | ajavid | !ivtv |
| 04:30.35 | dpkg | The IVTV drivers provide support for Conexant CX23415/CX23416 based hardware. Supported devices: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported-hardware . ivtv kernel driver and all related i2c drivers (inc. saa717x) are in mainline as of 2.6.26, use of 'ivtv-source' not required post-Etch. Firmware is required, ask me about <ivtv firmware>. X.Org display driver is in the 'xserver-xorg-video-ivtv' package. http://ivtvdriver.org/ |
| 04:30.52 | ajavid | !ivtv firmware |
| 04:30.52 | dpkg | Firmware for devices supported by the <ivtv> kernel driver is available from the 'firmware-ivtv' package (lenny-backports, squeeze). Lenny users: ask me about <backports.org>. It can alternatively be extracted from the respective Windows drivers, see http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware for instructions. |
| 04:31.03 | ajavid | !bpo |
| 04:31.03 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 04:31.12 | ajavid | linuxjones317, enjoy |
| 04:32.21 | Pericius | um, i installed X and now my keyboard switched layout to US |
| 04:32.24 | Pericius | can i change that? |
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| 04:33.22 | linuxjones317 | ajavid, im not super familiar with tv tuner cards, but the two it says it supports are not mine, is that an issue? |
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| 04:33.50 | ajavid | linuxjones317, I noticed that, I figured it would get you started since you asked about the firmware |
| 04:34.07 | linuxjones317 | and the supported hardware page is empty :( |
| 04:34.11 | ajavid | linuxjones317, I image you have your kernel driver built |
| 04:34.34 | ajavid | linuxjones317, you need to now put in your firmware? launch your driver and see where it is trying to request for a firmware lib file |
| 04:34.48 | ajavid | linuxjones317, more than likely, as pickcoder advised, it is located in /lib/firmware |
| 04:35.23 | ajavid | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware |
| 04:35.56 | ajavid | linuxjones317, look at the Location section |
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| 04:37.55 | linuxjones317 | ajavid, http://pastebin.ca/1551156 is my dmesg concerning cx18, like i said im new to all this, but it looks to me like its finding the card and having trouble starting it, whichh i assumed was because of the lacking firmware |
| 04:38.58 | Pericius | how to list possible keyboard layouts? |
| 04:39.14 | ajavid | linuxjones317, lacking firmware would show after you modprobe your kernel module drier |
| 04:39.18 | ajavid | driver* |
| 04:39.20 | ajavid | I tihnk |
| 04:39.35 | ajavid | Pericius, I would assume dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 04:40.38 | Pericius | ajavid: and where to change it? xorg.conf? |
| 04:41.07 | ajavid | no |
| 04:41.10 | ajavid | oh X |
| 04:41.21 | ajavid | Pericius, Unless overridden, Xorg makes a "best guess". |
| 04:41.46 | linuxjones317 | ajavid, so if i modprobe cx18 and no errors, and then i lsmod |grep cx18 and its in there along with quite a few other things, i could assume its all working properly? |
| 04:41.47 | ajavid | Specify which layout you want in that file. Settings there overrule "best guess" above. Google will help you locate examples form which you can work out the correct format. |
| 04:41.53 | linuxjones317 | sorry for all the noob questions |
| 04:41.55 | ajavid | !tell Pericius -about drxx |
| 04:42.35 | ajavid | Pericius, look at the last bit of that message from dpkg. use X -configure or look somewhere in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/xorg.conf |
| 04:42.49 | Pericius | got it |
| 04:42.51 | ajavid | Pericius, you only need to put in the correct keyboard layout bit, thats it |
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| 04:43.07 | ajavid | no other settings, using X -configure is fine too, but not needed |
| 04:43.12 | pickcoder | linuxjones317: try the cx18 firmware: http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/cx18-firmware.tar.gz |
| 04:43.18 | Pericius | yeah, but i don't know what's the string i need to put :) |
| 04:43.50 | ajavid | Pericius, read the example xorg.conf or geenate one with X -configure and read it |
| 04:43.50 | Pericius | locale is hr_HR.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 04:43.53 | ajavid | pren0x, you'll see it |
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| 04:44.01 | ajavid | Pericius, its not a locale issue |
| 04:44.11 | ishrai | gotya '-) |
| 04:44.12 | ajavid | its X keybaord layout, are you using gdm? |
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| 04:44.31 | pickcoder | linuxjones317: if you have a windows driver you can try ripping out the firmware files, but who knows if it will work the cx18 driver |
| 04:45.24 | linuxjones317 | pickcoder, ive got the firmware, but wouldnt it give me sass when modprobing it if it were missing the firmware? maybe the firmware is already here somewhere? |
| 04:45.46 | ajavid | you can modprobe the driver |
| 04:45.58 | ajavid | but then it will look for firmware, and output to dmesg I think if i can't find it |
| 04:46.16 | ajavid | the device won't do anything, but you can modprobe the driver sitll |
| 04:46.21 | Pericius | ajavid: no, just x and openbox |
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| 04:47.47 | Pericius | lol.... rebooted, and when i start term in openbox it says "X: user not authorized to run X server, aborting" |
| 04:47.55 | Pericius | after a while, it starts x nonetheless |
| 04:47.55 | pickcoder | linuxjones317: if it's not in /lib/firmware/ then it's not in the system |
| 04:47.59 | ajavid | Xauthority issue |
| 04:48.04 | Pericius | can i somehow remove that message? |
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| 04:48.15 | pickcoder | untar that cx18 tarball in /lib/firmware and try it |
| 04:48.28 | I_Died_Once | ok, i'm gonna try my question here... |
| 04:49.09 | pickcoder | linuxjones317: I have no experience with firmware for TV cards, but you may need to put it under a `uname -r` subdir |
| 04:49.09 | I_Died_Once | I have a 2 gig flash drive but debian (and windows, too) is only seeing it as twenty megs.... how do I get the full 2 gigs worth? |
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| 04:49.25 | ajavid | pickcoder, ls -l ~/.Xauthority |
| 04:49.30 | ajavid | doh |
| 04:49.42 | ajavid | Pericius, ls -l ~/.Xauthority <- what are th eperms? |
| 04:50.44 | Pericius | -rw--------- 1 me me |
| 04:50.56 | ajavid | ? |
| 04:51.11 | Pericius | that's the output of that command |
| 04:51.18 | Pericius | plus some more |
| 04:51.25 | Pericius | 103 |
| 04:51.28 | Pericius | that it? |
| 04:51.29 | Pericius | :) |
| 04:51.40 | ajavid | me is your username? |
| 04:51.52 | ajavid | thats crazy |
| 04:52.03 | Pericius | yup |
| 04:52.06 | pickcoder | sees an Abott & Costello joke forthcoming |
| 04:52.06 | ajavid | ok, so thats fine, what about ~/.ICEauthority |
| 04:52.08 | I_Died_Once | that's me for ya |
| 04:52.33 | Pericius | no such file or directory |
| 04:53.46 | ajavid | Pericius, grep -i /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config allowed |
| 04:54.09 | ajavid | oh fuck me running |
| 04:54.17 | Pericius | :D |
| 04:54.18 | ajavid | Pericius, grep -i allowed /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 04:54.46 | linuxjones317 | pickcoder, ok, so after i put the firmware in both places just to make sure, what do i do to test it to see if it loaded? |
| 04:54.54 | Pericius | lol... grep... permission denied :D |
| 04:55.08 | ajavid | Pericius, as root |
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| 04:55.14 | pickcoder | linuxjones317: if you did modprobe to load the module, then rmmod cx18 and reload it again |
| 04:55.19 | pickcoder | then check dmesg |
| 04:55.24 | Pericius | allowed_users=console |
| 04:55.32 | ajavid | ok |
| 04:55.50 | dbbolton | why is it that i can't apt-get source for kdebase-workspace |
| 04:55.59 | ajavid | Pericius, dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 04:56.23 | ajavid | Pericius, chose 'anybody', and next screen, nice value 0 |
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| 04:57.00 | ajavid | Pericius, alternatively, you can change the file by hand, /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config, allowed_users=anyone |
| 04:57.07 | ajavid | anybody |
| 04:57.21 | ajavid | I can't remember anyone or anybody |
| 04:57.33 | ajavid | so just use the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 04:57.42 | ajavid | and tell me which one it is too |
| 04:57.49 | ajavid | 'anyone' or 'anybody' |
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| 04:58.13 | ajavid | dbbolton, how should we know? |
| 04:58.18 | ajavid | dbbolton, look at your console output. |
| 04:58.24 | Pericius | ajavid: um, i might consider putting startx command somewhere else outside .bashrc, right? |
| 04:58.38 | ajavid | you shouldn't put it there |
| 04:58.40 | dbbolton | ajavid, the out put was "E: Unable to find a source package for kdebase-workspace |
| 04:58.40 | dbbolton | ". |
| 04:58.50 | Pericius | ajavid: kinda figured that out now |
| 04:58.52 | Pericius | :) |
| 04:58.54 | ajavid | dbbolton, what are your sources? |
| 04:58.54 | Pericius | where then? |
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| 04:59.19 | linuxjones317 | hmm... still no good |
| 04:59.37 | dbbolton | ajavid in sources.list afaik. and yes, i have deb-src line as well |
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| 04:59.58 | ajavid | Pericius, you should use xdm instead |
| 05:00.21 | Pericius | will that start automatically after i install it? |
| 05:00.57 | ajavid | yes |
| 05:01.02 | ajavid | well no |
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| 05:01.08 | Pericius | :D |
| 05:01.09 | ajavid | you'll have to /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 05:01.15 | ajavid | but on reboot and on future boots yes |
| 05:01.27 | dbbolton | ajavid deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 05:01.35 | ajavid | I don't support kde4 |
| 05:01.36 | ajavid | sorry. |
| 05:01.49 | ajavid | dbbolton, try #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
| 05:01.55 | ajavid | dbbolton, or #kde here |
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| 05:01.59 | Pericius | ok, rebooting |
| 05:02.19 | ajavid | you don't need to reboot |
| 05:02.23 | ajavid | Pericius, don't reboot |
| 05:02.26 | Pericius | geeze, shouldn't have installed grub2... slow as hell |
| 05:02.28 | Pericius | too late |
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| 05:04.04 | Pericius_ | got disco |
| 05:04.10 | Pericius_ | now, keyboard still doesn't work correctly, even though i put "hr" as layout |
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| 05:06.48 | ajavid | sweet my new 24" lcds will be here tomorrow |
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| 05:07.25 | Pericius_ | i'm on 15'' crt |
| 05:07.41 | ajavid | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005125 , http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236048 |
| 05:07.47 | ajavid | I bought these two :) |
| 05:08.10 | ajavid | now to get nvidia card, then dual head with brand new 24" monitors will be nice |
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| 05:08.17 | ajavid | right now I do in stable with x1900xt |
| 05:08.33 | Pericius_ | ok, my keyboard? |
| 05:08.36 | Pericius_ | :P |
| 05:08.37 | ajavid | my 24" monitors lcd that I had, they got stuck pixels all over th epalce |
| 05:08.41 | ajavid | Pericius, I dunno |
| 05:08.42 | ajavid | sorry |
| 05:09.03 | Pericius_ | ok, will google it while u brag about how big are ur lcds |
| 05:09.04 | nnull | ajavid→ Those are 23"s, don't be playin like you rollin with twennyfouse |
| 05:09.11 | ajavid | nnull, one is 23 |
| 05:09.26 | nnull | why would you get 1 23 and 1 24? |
| 05:09.29 | ajavid | nnull, I bought the LG cuz of its 2ms response and 50k:1 contrast |
| 05:09.41 | ajavid | test out both asus and lg |
| 05:09.44 | ajavid | why not |
| 05:09.47 | nnull | ah your testing them |
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| 05:10.07 | ajavid | not quite |
| 05:10.17 | ajavid | but yeah, whichever one I don't like, I'll give it to my brother |
| 05:10.23 | ajavid | order the same one of the one I kept |
| 05:10.39 | nnull | ajavid→ I was thinking you were getting 2 for dual monitors |
| 05:10.44 | ajavid | I am |
| 05:10.57 | ajavid | I'm testing two, one 23" one 24" i ordered both |
| 05:11.09 | ajavid | whichever one I don't lke goes to my brother as a gift |
| 05:11.19 | ajavid | the one I lie, I will order another one like it to have dual head |
| 05:11.28 | ajavid | these two were the ones I wanted |
| 05:11.30 | nnull | and you will order another one of the one you like? |
| 05:11.34 | ajavid | yup |
| 05:11.37 | nnull | ah k |
| 05:12.36 | nnull | ive got 1 22" widescreen LCD, and like 5 CRT 15 inchers lol |
| 05:12.46 | ajavid | heh |
| 05:12.49 | ajavid | hook it up man! |
| 05:12.56 | ajavid | put in two tri-head cards |
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| 05:13.08 | ajavid | get you an array hooked up man.. be leet! |
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| 05:13.24 | nnull | ajavid→ lol nah, i have boxes for all those monitors :) |
| 05:13.33 | ajavid | hack pentagon on your lcd and hack bands on your monitors |
| 05:13.34 | ajavid | lol |
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| 05:14.29 | nnull | lol whut |
| 05:14.32 | ajavid | banks |
| 05:14.38 | ajavid | then we make a movie |
| 05:14.54 | nnull | called "nnull goes to jail"? lol |
| 05:15.02 | ajavid | hahaha yup |
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| 05:15.21 | nnull | ok, but you can play me as the Star! :P |
| 05:15.37 | ajavid | man |
| 05:16.17 | ajavid | I am already thinking I will probably not like the asus one, so I think I might just order the LG tonight and give brother the ASUS, I want quality over 1 more inch |
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| 05:16.36 | ajavid | man I really need that nvidia card, I want get my debian gaming hooked up gain |
| 05:16.38 | nnull | Yeah i was gunna say, take quality over that extra inch anyday |
| 05:16.43 | ajavid | dude woul dyou belive fglrx fucked up my video card |
| 05:16.49 | ajavid | check ths out man |
| 05:16.50 | nnull | no |
| 05:17.01 | ajavid | DVI-1 disconnected 1680x1050+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm |
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| 05:17.04 | ajavid | DVI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
| 05:17.07 | ajavid | disconnected... |
| 05:17.21 | ajavid | no EDID info in DVI mode from either port |
| 05:17.35 | ajavid | 1 port has no input signal on DVI |
| 05:17.38 | nnull | rma |
| 05:17.40 | ajavid | both ports work on DSUB |
| 05:17.47 | ajavid | its 4 years old :) |
| 05:17.48 | nnull | i need to send some ram half way across the world asap |
| 05:17.49 | ajavid | X1900XT |
| 05:18.12 | ajavid | I will never again use fglrx I swear on the holiest of holies |
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| 05:18.25 | nnull | ajavid→ pick up a ati 4350 HD for $40 |
| 05:18.29 | nnull | nice little card |
| 05:18.31 | ajavid | no way |
| 05:18.41 | nnull | im talking to you on it ;) |
| 05:18.44 | ajavid | none of the ATI cards can do hardware acceleration of h264 HD video |
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| 05:18.55 | nnull | really? |
| 05:18.58 | ajavid | only nvidia over 8400gs can |
| 05:18.59 | ajavid | yes |
| 05:19.08 | ajavid | you will end up using your cpu for decoding |
| 05:19.16 | FailPowah | is it possible to add some host to my ssh like *.myphoneisp.ext so it doesnt sit "for an half eternity" before i login when it looks up my host on connect? (using my cellphone) |
| 05:19.20 | ajavid | I want to get nvidia so I can let the hardware do it |
| 05:19.21 | nnull | if i was doing that on this machine, yeah :) |
| 05:19.56 | ajavid | FailPowah, yes |
| 05:19.56 | nnull | 8400gs is only like 50 bux isnt it |
| 05:20.30 | ajavid | nnull, yes, but I want the 1gb gddr3 246bit, 128 pipelines nvidia 250 gt or something, $150, not too expensive |
| 05:20.37 | ajavid | 56 |
| 05:20.50 | nnull | ah |
| 05:21.11 | ajavid | FailPowah, so you ssh into your box from your phone, and it takes a while to do what? |
| 05:21.16 | FailPowah | ajatollah, : so just add like *.cellphoneisp.ext into where ever i put my lan computers by name into? (hosts?) |
| 05:21.24 | ajavid | ajavid, godamit |
| 05:21.27 | ajavid | FailPowah, /etc/hosts |
| 05:21.45 | ajavid | or are you talking abotu adding your ssh to your ssh host for like a key thingy |
| 05:22.01 | FailPowah | ajavid, i see my login name (using key files) and it "hangs" there for a random 2-10ish seconds before im fully logged in (got "up to" 7mbit) |
| 05:22.24 | ajavid | what is the server like? slow box? |
| 05:22.39 | ajavid | i ssh into my laptop and it takes a copule of seconds sometimes if its doign something |
| 05:22.48 | ajavid | does your server think a lot? |
| 05:23.06 | FailPowah | its a 2.4Ghz server running debian bare metal, logging in over lan goes instantly since i added my lan computer names |
| 05:23.32 | FailPowah | it looks up my hostname from my ip (just guessing) and im using opendns for that |
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| 05:34.23 | ajavid | I downloaded 80gb in 20 hours |
| 05:34.26 | ajavid | thats horrible... |
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| 05:34.58 | ajavid | 4gb/hr, 1gb/15min... fail. |
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| 05:40.10 | Accro_ | bonjour , je recherche le chat de clodogame , quelqu'un pourrait me dire comment y acceder s'il vous plait ? |
| 05:40.20 | liable | !fr |
| 05:40.20 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 05:49.43 | Quaoar | hello, i have a problem, my debian (stable) freezes sometimes at boot |
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| 05:50.14 | Quaoar | it stopped at "activating swap" |
| 05:50.17 | sam_affable | hey al |
| 05:50.56 | sam_affable | has anyone successfully compiled and installed pidgin 2.6.1 on debian ? |
| 05:50.56 | Quaoar | i removed the swap partition, made a swap file and now it freezes at checking root filesystem |
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| 05:51.54 | Quaoar | sam_affable, it's in unstable, no need to compile it |
| 05:52.03 | Quaoar | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/pidgin |
| 05:52.46 | sam_affable | Quaoar: oh i didnt check that ....thanks will check out that |
| 05:55.42 | ajavid | sam_affable, are you lenny? |
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| 05:55.45 | ajavid | sam_affable, on stable?> |
| 05:55.57 | ajavid | sam_affable, do not install the unstable package on stable |
| 05:56.01 | sam_affable | Quaoar: was going through that page ...video in pidgin depends on farsight framework and i dont see that on that page ..anyways will check that and see |
| 05:56.15 | ajavid | quakaz, next time try to ask some questions and suggest the best possible solution |
| 05:56.17 | sam_affable | ajavid: hey ..yes im on lenny |
| 05:56.34 | ajavid | sam_affable, then do NOT, I repeat, do NOT install the pidgin packages from unstable onto stable |
| 05:56.42 | ajavid | judd versions pidgin |
| 05:56.44 | judd | ajavid: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny3~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3 lenny-backports: 2.5.9-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.5.9-1 sid: 2.6.1-2 |
| 05:56.55 | ajavid | sam_affable, you can try /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 05:57.01 | ajavid | sam_affable, other than that, you are out of luck. |
| 05:57.14 | ajavid | sam_affable, you CAN try to install pidgin inside a unstable/sid chroot |
| 05:57.18 | sam_affable | ajavid: oh okie ...thanks will do that |
| 05:57.24 | ajavid | however it is a bit more involved |
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| 05:57.33 | sam_affable | oh i see |
| 05:57.53 | ajavid | that way you can keepyour stable system safe, and still use latest sid application without compromosing your stable system |
| 05:58.16 | ajavid | google how to install/debootstrap a chroot |
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| 05:58.19 | ajavid | !debootstrap |
| 05:58.19 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. Be aware that debootstrap can't include packages involving non-required Pre-Depends (e.g. `--include=linux-image-686' will fail), see #487908 in the <BTS>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 05:58.27 | ajavid | look here for that solution |
| 05:58.38 | sam_affable | oh okie ..will google on that |
| 05:58.45 | sam_affable | yeah reading that |
| 05:59.03 | ajavid | sam_affable, that is... if simple sid backport fails |
| 05:59.13 | ajavid | sam_affable, first try that |
| 05:59.18 | Pericius_ | anyone using openbox? |
| 05:59.30 | Pericius_ | how to make Terminal emulator start maximized? |
| 05:59.40 | ajavid | which terminal? |
| 05:59.53 | ajavid | Pericius_, I'm guessing you probably have to set defaults for it in ~/.Xdefaults |
| 05:59.57 | sam_affable | ajavid: that nice info ..thanks a lot ...im going through the wiki now |
| 06:00.08 | Pericius_ | default one in openbox |
| 06:00.15 | ajavid | open box is a wm |
| 06:00.22 | ajavid | it doesn't contain a terminal emulator does it? |
| 06:00.25 | ajavid | you must have xterm? |
| 06:00.31 | Pericius_ | maybe |
| 06:00.40 | Pericius_ | does that suck? |
| 06:00.41 | ajavid | well find out which terminal you have man |
| 06:00.44 | ajavid | lol |
| 06:00.46 | Pericius_ | how? |
| 06:00.46 | ajavid | I dunno |
| 06:00.51 | ajavid | uhm. |
| 06:00.56 | ajavid | I dunno |
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| 06:01.03 | heyuxiang | hi, how to find out user's uid? |
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| 06:01.08 | ajavid | lets look in /etc/alternatives/ |
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| 06:01.37 | ajavid | $>ls /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator |
| 06:01.43 | ajavid | whats the output? |
| 06:01.53 | sam_affable | ajavid: i actually compilied and installed pidgin 2.5.8 from pidgin source and i tried to the sme with 2.6.1 but been getting unmet dependencies problem ..but now will try debootstrap and see |
| 06:01.57 | sam_affable | thank you |
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| 06:02.34 | Pericius_ | just that |
| 06:02.57 | ajavid | sam_affable, basic idea, make a partition or install in a directory using debootstrap, configure locales, bind mount dev and proc and whatever else, link shadow/passwd/group |
| 06:02.59 | heyuxiang | sorry? |
| 06:03.03 | nsadmin | !find bin/pg_config |
| 06:03.09 | ajavid | and uhm... basically thats it, then chroot into it |
| 06:03.10 | Pericius_ | etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator |
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| 06:03.27 | sam_affable | ajavid: yeah wil be doing that |
| 06:03.36 | ajavid | Pericius_, ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator |
| 06:03.52 | Pericius_ | lxterm |
| 06:04.05 | ajavid | ok, so look at its docs and see if you can specify to launch it fullscreen |
| 06:04.15 | Pericius_ | thanks :) |
| 06:04.21 | ajavid | yup |
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| 06:05.45 | tutnix | is it possible to use knockd and let it auto-close connections that are idle for some time and not after a specific time? |
| 06:06.19 | tutnix | the cmd_timeout is not so good, because even active sessions are cut |
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| 06:10.35 | Gratz474 | my mysql server is failing to start? |
| 06:10.39 | Gratz474 | how can i see whats going on? |
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| 06:10.49 | CryptoMole | hey all im trying to install etch r5 but it hangs at 5% says pls wait and I checked the output screen and the message reads in target do you want to continue |
| 06:11.00 | CryptoMole | what do i do |
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| 06:11.21 | ajavid | Gratz474, /var/log/mysql.log.* |
| 06:11.24 | ajavid | etc. |
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| 06:11.46 | ajavid | CryptoMole, install lenny :) |
| 06:12.11 | CryptoMole | I dont like lenny |
| 06:12.30 | ajavid | why? |
| 06:13.02 | CryptoMole | because it has problems I want etch on my old desk top |
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| 06:13.09 | CryptoMole | cant I have it |
| 06:13.10 | ajavid | what p roblems? |
| 06:13.41 | CryptoMole | ok this is simple how can I get etch installed |
| 06:13.53 | ajavid | I'm just asking questions |
| 06:13.57 | ajavid | have some patience. |
| 06:14.12 | CryptoMole | ok i have lenny on this laptop |
| 06:14.50 | Gratz474 | does debian have a special config? |
| 06:14.52 | Gratz474 | for mysql? |
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| 06:14.58 | ajavid | no |
| 06:15.00 | CryptoMole | it works ok but some of the gtk1 apps that I like to use which are in etch I wnt for the desktop |
| 06:15.05 | ajavid | Gratz474, not other than /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 06:15.15 | Gratz474 | yea i am looking at it now |
| 06:15.20 | Gratz474 | some stuff in the docs are not there though |
| 06:15.21 | ajavid | Gratz474, and debian-sys-maint account information in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 06:16.03 | CryptoMole | ajavid: so is it possible or not |
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| 06:16.20 | ajavid | I don't know. |
| 06:16.54 | CryptoMole | ok so now what does in target mean |
| 06:17.00 | ajavid | I don't know. |
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| 06:17.16 | ajavid | Gratz474, what stuff? |
| 06:17.50 | CryptoMole | ok im lost again |
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| 06:18.18 | CryptoMole | thanks anyway |
| 06:18.35 | Gratz474 | ajatollah, how can i see what engine i am running? |
| 06:18.50 | ajavid | oh my fucking god |
| 06:18.56 | ajavid | ajatollah, seriously man... :) |
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| 06:19.21 | atirjavid | Gratz474, uhm.. whatever you created your db as |
| 06:19.26 | atirjavid | Gratz474, I guess consult #mysql |
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| 06:32.54 | atirjavid | !popcon |
| 06:32.54 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ |
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| 06:35.55 | Acheron | I know you don't really support sid, but is there a trick to installing the nvidia drivers? |
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| 06:38.15 | nevyn | Acheron: module-assistant is your friend |
| 06:38.20 | nevyn | !ma |
| 06:38.21 | dpkg | i guess ma is milliampere(s), or Morocco, or <module-assistant> |
| 06:38.48 | Acheron | http://aias.iit.demokritos.gr/~xilouris/2008/09/install-nvidia-drivers-on-debi.html |
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| 06:39.33 | Acheron | complaining that the kernel isn't installed. |
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| 06:48.23 | valdyn | Acheron: no, its complaining about something else, you should read the error message |
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| 06:59.03 | Acheron | Ah, it can't find linux-headers-2.6-26, I have -30. :S |
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| 07:06.14 | groulder | i've just installed debian 4.0 |
| 07:06.23 | groulder | how do i immediately dist-upgrade to 5.0.2? |
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| 07:08.21 | mhymn | groulder: read the topic |
| 07:08.38 | groulder | yep got it |
| 07:08.40 | groulder | sorry |
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| 07:10.52 | groulder | hmmm |
| 07:10.55 | groulder | i can't get my sources.list right |
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| 07:11.33 | easyfit | hey, I've just installed debian lenny and I chose to encrypt the filesystem during installation, however I would also like to have RAID 1 mirroring against another disk, but I'm wondering if this is possible to do? can I mirror an encrypted drive? |
| 07:12.11 | easyfit | it seems that most people set up a mirror first and then encrypt the mirror |
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| 07:31.22 | Gratz474 | in top how does cpu uage go over 100? |
| 07:31.24 | Gratz474 | i meant |
| 07:31.28 | Gratz474 | like for a program |
| 07:31.32 | Gratz474 | it will go over 100? |
| 07:31.35 | Gratz474 | the real cpu is like 40 |
| 07:31.40 | Gratz474 | but mysql spu is like 150 |
| 07:31.40 | Gratz474 | ? |
| 07:32.23 | StCyr | cpu usage in top doesn't go from 0 to 100 |
| 07:32.56 | StCyr | It's the result of a complex (for me) calculation depending on the number of process in state "running" (or something like that). |
| 07:33.18 | StCyr | On my servers I already saw spikes to more than 3000 |
| 07:33.35 | StCyr | spikes of more than 1500 is quite usual for me |
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| 07:33.51 | Gratz474 | i meant for a given program |
| 07:33.54 | Gratz474 | so how do i gauge it ? |
| 07:34.26 | StCyr | experience |
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| 07:50.50 | pope | hi, the mta (exim) takes about 10 seconds to start when booting ... how can i fix that? |
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| 07:55.09 | Stummi | hoi. kann ich einfach testing und stable-repos zusammen verwenden (also beide in der sources.list eintragen), oder sollte ich dabei irgendwas beachten? |
| 07:55.22 | Stummi | oh, fc. Sorry |
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| 07:59.54 | _Dave123_ | "...com" is a site that uses a security certificate to encrypt data during transmission, but its certificate expired on "27-08-2009" would you like to continue anyway? - I need to refresh this certificate on my linux server, someone know how i can do that? |
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| 08:02.34 | Nielsen | _Dave123_, where did you get the cert? |
| 08:03.44 | _Dave123_ | Nielsen: i don't know, how can i check? i get this msg in thunderbird |
| 08:04.19 | Nielsen | well like the message says, you need to renew the SSL cert |
| 08:04.40 | Nielsen | so if the cert is home made, you need to make a new one |
| 08:04.58 | Nielsen | Is your thunderbird connecting to your own server? |
| 08:05.00 | _Dave123_ | Nielsen: ok, where is it likely that I can find this cert on my linux server? |
| 08:05.08 | _Dave123_ | Nielsen: yes, to my dedicated server |
| 08:05.28 | Nielsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.20 | _Dave123_ | in the dir /etc/ssl/ are like 100s |
| 08:07.13 | Nielsen | are you connecting to an SSL IMAP server? |
| 08:07.28 | Nielsen | or perhaps SMTP server? |
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| 08:09.17 | _Dave123_ | SSL IMAP |
| 08:10.18 | _Dave123_ | ssl-cert-snakeoil.key - i have this file in /etc/ssl/private |
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| 08:14.35 | Nielsen | hold on, i gotta read some docs here |
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| 08:19.40 | easyfit | I might be an idiot, but exactly how do I configure a RAID 1 in the debian installer? Is there a guide for this somewhere? |
| 08:20.21 | OpenTokix | easyfit: 1. create partitions for the raid |
| 08:20.29 | OpenTokix | 2. go up to "configure software raid" |
| 08:20.32 | liable | easyfit: not sure if the install manual says much about it, and in the past when I have done it, i have found it confusing for some reason. |
| 08:20.34 | OpenTokix | 3. follow on screen instructions |
| 08:21.22 | OpenTokix | It's not confusing - it demands some concentration and some usage of brain. Not blindly klicking at anything that resembles a button. |
| 08:21.36 | easyfit | OpenTokix, do I go back to the main menu of the installer to find the configure software raid option? as in I create the raid partitions and then exit the partition manager? |
| 08:21.49 | OpenTokix | easyfit: in the partition section |
| 08:22.08 | Nielsen | _Dave123_, i cant find the courier config option for ssl... |
| 08:22.12 | easyfit | hmm alright, I'll try it again... thanks! |
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| 08:22.57 | _Dave123_ | nvm Nielsen got it |
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| 08:29.13 | Breaking_Pitt | hello i have a doubt in spain the correct time is utc+2, the date command dont' show the correct date but when i take a look at /etc/default/rcS the utc flag is correctly set to yes |
| 08:29.22 | Breaking_Pitt | what can i do to put the utc+2 time |
| 08:29.49 | chellomere | !timezone |
| 08:29.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, timezone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch, Sarge). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/ 8:29:49zone /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
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| 08:30.44 | Breaking_Pitt | !timezone is correct tooo |
| 08:30.44 | dpkg | ...but timezone is already something else... |
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| 08:34.12 | _Dave123_ | is there some way how I can see the openssl command make-ssl-cert would output ? |
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| 08:37.16 | simonrvn | _Dave123_: um, it's probably just a script... |
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| 08:38.45 | _Dave123_ | i know |
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| 08:44.16 | Acheron | How do I get a normal console without root in debian sid? |
| 08:44.29 | petemc | do what? |
| 08:45.02 | Acheron | I can only find root terminal in the applications menu. |
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| 08:45.15 | Nielsen | Acheron, any "xterm" there? |
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| 08:45.28 | d0ubleclick | Acheron: run gnome-terminal or xterm... |
| 08:45.37 | Acheron | kk |
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| 08:46.10 | Acheron | Can't find those in the menu. :P |
| 08:46.22 | Acheron | And if I run xterm from the root terminal it is automatically in su mode. |
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| 08:47.23 | d0ubleclick | Acheron: ALT+F2 to get a run dialog... |
| 08:47.31 | Acheron | ah... *doh* |
| 08:48.17 | d0ubleclick | Acheron: and you can edit your application menu i guess and add gnome-terminal launcher... |
| 08:48.54 | Acheron | nodnod I figured that out now. |
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| 08:50.58 | itom | on debian unstable I'm using yakuake Version 2.9.6 on kde 4.3.0 and I've problem with using "end key" "home key" "page up & down, anyone have the same problem with the keyboard? |
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| 08:52.59 | Sinuso | itom: on kubuntu with kde4.3 i don't have this problem |
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| 08:55.03 | mhymn | itom: try #debian-kde |
| 08:55.08 | itom | Sinuso: ok, in the yakuake profile settings at "Input" tab you still using "Xfree 4" for the key bindings? |
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| 08:55.44 | itom | mhymn: ok try here, thnk |
| 08:56.32 | ix | Is there a way I can specify nameservers per application? Like an environment variable or something like that. |
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| 08:57.31 | Sinuso | itom: its on Xfree 4 |
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| 08:59.34 | tenzind | hi .. linux-uvs-source is no longer in debian? |
| 08:59.40 | itom | Sinuso: for me the same.. mmh seems a problem with my notebook keyboard model.. now I'm googling for a solution.. thanks |
| 08:59.42 | tenzind | linux-uvc-source * |
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| 09:06.24 | dannyboy1121 | Hello - I've got a Lenny question. I'm trying to find / use an Apache SSL mod called libapache-mod-ssl. It doesn't appear to be available in Lenny. Does anyone know about this? |
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| 09:08.26 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions linux-uvc-source |
| 09:08.27 | judd | xeon-enouf: linux-uvc-source -- etch: 0.1.0.svn54-3 |
| 09:08.43 | Breaking_Pitt | dannyboy1121, i have the same problem, but i don't rememeber how i fixed this |
| 09:08.45 | Breaking_Pitt | :( |
| 09:08.56 | xeon-enouf | !why is linux-uvc-source not in testing |
| 09:08.57 | dpkg | linux-uvc-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-uvc-source |
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| 09:09.26 | dannyboy1121 | Pitt: I wonder if it's not available through my configured sources |
| 09:09.40 | tenzind | thanks .. so i do not need linux-uvc-source now .. :) |
| 09:09.41 | xeon-enouf | try libapache2 |
| 09:09.54 | dannyboy1121 | zeon: will do ;) |
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| 09:10.39 | themill | !dbugs 497229 |
| 09:10.47 | dpkg | DONE:#497229:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: linux-uvc -- ROM; superseded by uvc in 2.6.26 kernel (); Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:48:01 UTC [] |
| 09:10.58 | xeon-enouf | !wb themill |
| 09:10.58 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! themill has returned! |
| 09:11.05 | themill | g'day |
| 09:11.06 | xeon-enouf | libapache2-mod-log-sql-ssl - Use SQL to store/write your apache queries logs - SSL extension |
| 09:11.15 | xeon-enouf | is all i see in sid .. heh |
| 09:12.23 | xeon-enouf | tenzind: seen that bug report which themill made dpkg mention? |
| 09:12.37 | Breaking_Pitt | dannyboy1121, I don't remember if it was instaled by default with apache, try to activate the mod |
| 09:12.48 | Breaking_Pitt | dannyboy1121, but i'm not quite sure |
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| 09:17.05 | SparFux1 | Hi. In module-assistant, how can I set an environment variable DRM_MODULES to a specific value other than the default? |
| 09:17.08 | lumis | anyone managed to get video/voice working with Pidgin (built from latest source release on pidgin.im) on Lenny? Don't think the proper version of farsight is in the repositories, amirite? |
| 09:18.01 | tenzind | xeon-enouf, yes |
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| 09:18.14 | dannyboy1121 | Pitt: looks like it's in 'modules available' dir .. sorry, I've been using lighttpd for the last three years. This is my first apache run. |
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| 09:19.59 | SparFux1 | Or is there a way to prevent module-assistant from extracting the zipped image of the source package? I want to make changes to the code. |
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| 09:23.06 | lumis | is there absolutely no way of using libgstfarsight on Lenny? |
| 09:25.29 | xeon-enouf | SparFux1: you likely need to alter the debian/rules file |
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| 09:28.37 | SparFux1 | xeon-enouf: aha, I found an option -O to m-a which will prevent it from extracting the sources. I have to add the nouveau video driver to the source. |
| 09:29.50 | xeon-enouf | SparFux1: hrm .. i was messing with the nouveau driver for a bit, but stopped midway .. i forget why now :0 |
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| 09:34.11 | arcsky | anyone know how i can fix this problem with a root permission, error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.8: cannot open ? |
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| 09:35.00 | arcsky | without* |
| 09:35.12 | xeon-enouf | ldconfig? oh heh |
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| 09:37.26 | xeon-enouf | does exporting LD_LIBRARY_PATH or LD_PRELOAD work? |
| 09:38.19 | arcsky | -bash: ldconfig?: command not found |
| 09:38.46 | xeon-enouf | in /sbin/ldconfig |
| 09:38.58 | arcsky | /sbin/ldconfig: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied |
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| 09:39.31 | xeon-enouf | add /sbin to your PATH, or ... just use full path ...yeah well; no root perms :-) |
| 09:39.51 | xeon-enouf | !wayttd arcsky |
| 09:39.52 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, arcsky? |
| 09:40.31 | arcsky | i want to run tlswrap |
| 09:40.46 | arcsky | ./tlswrap: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:41.18 | jelly | your binary wasn't built for your system, arcsky |
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| 09:41.27 | arcsky | tlswrap-1.04/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 its there |
| 09:41.36 | jelly | arcsky: which Debian release are you using? |
| 09:41.36 | arcsky | so how can i export it as a lib |
| 09:41.43 | arcsky | doesnt mater |
| 09:41.47 | xeon-enouf | install/extract libssl0.9.8 into your /home and use those VAR above i mentioned , or compile your binary statically |
| 09:41.48 | jelly | yes, it does |
| 09:41.58 | arcsky | jelly: why? |
| 09:42.02 | arcsky | it worked befre a reboot |
| 09:42.07 | jelly | ... |
| 09:42.32 | jelly | arcsky: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8 |
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| 09:42.53 | arcsky | ni1s: W: Unable to locate package libssl0.9.8 |
| 09:43.23 | themill | arcsky: so what release of debian is this again? |
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| 09:43.30 | xeon-enouf | is this the old DSA SSL issue? |
| 09:43.31 | jelly | arcsky: dpkg -l libssl\* libc6 | tail -n +6 |
| 09:44.16 | arcsky | http://pastebin.com/m4791ed15 |
| 09:44.19 | xeon-enouf | arcsky: and yes, it does matter which Debian version you are running |
| 09:44.34 | xeon-enouf | (if any) |
| 09:44.44 | arcsky | but it worked before a reboot, so i dont understand why a debian version does matter |
| 09:44.46 | themill | yay sarge! |
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| 09:45.16 | jelly | arcsky: debian release used may or may not already have the needed package |
| 09:45.17 | arcsky | 5.0.1 |
| 09:45.27 | themill | arcsky: that is most definitely not 5.0.1 |
| 09:45.46 | jelly | please don't lie when trying to get support |
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| 09:46.03 | arcsky | sorry wrong machine |
| 09:46.09 | themill | *plonk* |
| 09:46.13 | arcsky | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:46.13 | arcsky | 3.1 |
| 09:46.28 | jelly | it'd be best to rebuild the binary using libssl-dev from the distro |
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| 09:47.07 | jelly | (that is, link it against what's available in libssl0.9.7 and libssl-dev package from sarge) |
| 09:47.12 | liable | err, was there a 3.1? i thought it was only 3.0 woody? |
| 09:47.22 | jelly | !debian releases |
| 09:47.22 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
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| 09:47.31 | arcsky | ok guys i fixed it, it works now |
| 09:47.33 | arcsky | thanks anyway |
| 09:47.37 | liable | ok, my memory blows |
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| 09:48.06 | arcsky | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/tlswrap-1.04 |
| 09:48.09 | arcsky | was the trick |
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| 09:48.57 | arcsky | how can i save it to next reboot? |
| 09:49.13 | newbie | hello. How to forge a file which simalates a blank CD? |
| 09:49.38 | newbie | a 700MB blanl CD |
| 09:49.46 | newbie | blank* |
| 09:50.00 | sylar | http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1397&p_created=1131638613 |
| 09:50.18 | sylar | does ^this^ affect software raid too? |
| 09:50.39 | jelly | newbie: what are you trying to do? |
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| 09:51.49 | newbie | I want to virtualy burn a cue image. So I need to mount a virtual blank cd, to fool k3b |
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| 09:52.48 | jelly | newbie: I can't be done that easily. |
| 09:52.50 | petemc | newbie: perhaps look at bchunk |
| 09:53.12 | newbie | I look |
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| 09:53.23 | jelly | right, if the cue/bin image is a simple one file, bchunk might be able to convert it |
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| 09:55.58 | newbie | the cue image is one file : music.flac, which contains 5 tracks |
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| 09:56.30 | jelly | bchunk won't work. |
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| 09:57.03 | jelly | it only does data tracks of a certain type. |
| 09:57.28 | newbie | :( |
| 09:57.52 | jelly | newbie: well, since it's a flac, you could use a music player with cue support to listen to that stuff |
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| 09:58.13 | newbie | so how can I forge a blank CD file? |
| 09:58.36 | jelly | why do you want to do that? |
| 09:59.18 | newbie | jelly: I can hear the music, but I want to shear the unique file into 5 flac tracks |
| 09:59.34 | jelly | newbie: so use an audio editor |
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| 09:59.59 | lumis | newbie: ya could use cuetools (cuebreakpoints) and shnsplit to split it up |
| 10:00.13 | newbie | I look :) |
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| 10:00.26 | lumis | newbie: reads the break points from the cue file and splits up the flac track accordingly |
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| 10:00.49 | lumis | newbie: http://aidanjm.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/split-lossless-audio-ape-flac-wv-wav-by-cue-file/ |
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| 10:02.00 | simplechat | any good sources of information about getting xen working after an etch-lenny upgrade? |
| 10:03.08 | jelly | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64 |
| 10:03.08 | judd | jelly: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.7 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.7 |
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| 10:03.44 | newbie | but I am still interested in how to forge a blank CD image |
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| 10:06.54 | qiyong | anyone knows the story of casper? |
| 10:06.54 | petemc | simplechat: whats wrong with it? |
| 10:06.59 | petemc | the friendly ghost? |