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03:06.07edjunetworking restart won't run - couldn't read the interfaced file with the zerocong line.
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03:08.04xeon-enoufremove or disable netatalk crap ; /msg dpkg zeroconf ; netstat -tunap | grep avahi ; lsof the sucker too
03:08.34xeon-enoufps auxf ; pstree -lunap
03:09.02manic12xeon-enouf: I solved it by changing rtc0 to rtc1 in the udev.rules file
03:09.57xeon-enoufwell, you don't need two rtc's afaik
03:10.21manic12one of them is for use with a real time kernel
03:10.39xeon-enoufand why would you run --rtc=/dev/rtc1 when rtc0 is your issue?
03:11.04manic12the issue was the system time
03:11.07xeon-enoufyou have two kernels running at once? bravo
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03:11.26homecablewhats agood program to montor voltalge and fan speed cpu temps on phpsysinfo
03:11.40xeon-enoufyes, and system time is hwclock based, or you needed ntp
03:12.24manic12yeah, it won't be able to sync with ntp
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03:16.36xeon-enoufnice ARCH there that you never mentioned - and thanks for posting the full dmesg as well - and ~$ grep -i rtc /etc/udev yields nothing anyway
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03:16.52xjih78hi everyone.
03:16.59xeon-enoufer rgrep
03:17.14manic12i mentioned the arch
03:17.19manic12it's an arm board
03:17.29manic12it's also in the dmesg
03:17.36purplepenguinsgrep is a great name for a program
03:18.01xjih78a problem with evince 2.22.2 came up today. i noticed that it couldn't open some pdf files and crashes. i'm on debian stable.
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03:19.57xeon-enoufmanic12: yeah, this is all i saw though - i guess the formatting is screwed or something; http://paste.debian.net/plain/45586
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03:21.01xeon-enoufheh, ubuntu - i should've known; Linux version 2.6.29.1-m (andrew@ubuntu-puzzlebox) (gcc version 4.4.1 (Debian 4.4.1-1) ) #1 PREEMPT
03:21.14Periciusi've just installed xorg and it hasn't created any files in my home... that ok?
03:21.26xeon-enoufyes
03:21.28manic12ubuntu is what i cross compiled the kernel from
03:21.40purplepenguinsxjih78: did you catch the error message?
03:21.48manic12the arm board is running lenny
03:22.01xeon-enoufyou will at one point get an ~/,xsession-errors and ~/,Xauthority
03:22.02xjih78purplepenguins: no error message. should i debug?
03:22.08xjih78oh
03:22.27purplepenguinsif you are any good at reading the output of gdb
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03:22.32purplepenguinsyou could get a dump
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03:23.02Periciusis there a file where i can add command that start at start of X and it's user specific?
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03:23.08purplepenguinslook for similar bugs on evince's bugtracker
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03:24.11Titan8990Pericius, ~/.xinitrc
03:24.58CalJohnwill lenny ever get iceweasel 3.5?
03:25.16xeon-enoufPericius: or ~/.xsession
03:25.16PericiusTitan8990: i thought it was .xsession... works with .xinitrc, thanks
03:25.54xeon-enoufif using a DM, .xsession is recommended
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03:26.06xjih78purplepenguins: no errors there
03:26.47xeon-enoufalso your WM has ability, as does say a DE (gnome/kde)
03:26.50purplepenguinsis this reccurrent with a given PDF or is it random?
03:27.06purplepenguinshaving someone else running the same version of evince to test it might be wise
03:27.29Periciusxeon-enouf: thanks, no, just x with xmonad here
03:27.35xjih78purplepenguins: no. i don't seem to have a problem with other pdfs. just these 2 newly downloaded
03:28.03xjih78when the crash happens i can't open no other files for a while though
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03:29.46purplepenguinsxmonad ftw
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03:30.12purplepenguinsxjih78: find someone else running evince on debian stable and let them test the 2 pdf's
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03:31.56ranixpurplepenguins: stop using apostrophes to pluralize things
03:32.05ranixpurplepenguins: apostrophes are never used to pluralize anything
03:32.48purplepenguinsokay
03:33.10xjih78purplepenguins: thanks
03:33.31xjih78i found that using kpdf made it easier.
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03:34.06konr|afkis there a way to change the framebuffer resolution on-the-fly?
03:35.14ranixfbcon=ask will let you pick it at boot
03:36.04PassingStrangerranix: may i ask what apostrophes you were talkjing about? just wondering...
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03:46.26konr|afkIs there another decent mail program, besides mutt and alpine?
03:48.05CrimsonKingemacs ;>
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03:52.14PassingStranger...could it be that RMS never understood the unix philosophy and henceforth gave birth himself to ugly fat emacs? ;)
03:54.10CalJohnPassingStranger: i'm pretty sure RMS understood it and disliked it.  that is the culture at MIT
03:54.10Skipp_OSXPassingStranger: emacs was not born on Unix
03:54.55Skipp_OSXemacs was ported to Unix, so perhaps it is Unix that does not understand the RMS philosophy... in fact I think it has been RMS's lifes work to teach Unix his philosophy
03:55.24CalJohni know RMS is/was close with Sussman, and Sussman really does not like unix
03:55.51CalJohn(I hate unix too!)
03:55.53CrimsonKingi'm a vim guy anyway. :))
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03:56.29PassingStrangerlet's throw plan9 into the mix... ;)
03:56.47CalJohnplan9 is worse :p
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03:57.13CalJohni hope operating systems eventually die :)
03:58.18CrimsonKingso what to use instead?
03:58.21CrimsonKingemacs? :))))
03:58.34CalJohnlanguages
03:58.38Skipp_OSXCalJohn: well, if you had to bet on what OS's are still around in 100 years, what would you guess?
03:58.45CalJohnthe jvm is a nice little first step
03:58.50CalJohnSkipp_OSX: i would bet on tron
03:58.58Skipp_OSXCalJohn: I guess none, they will all die
03:59.06Skipp_OSXCalJohn: so, you may get your wish
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03:59.19PassingStrangeri would dust off my trusty old C64... :)
03:59.46Skipp_OSXso I have a domain with yahoo
03:59.47Skipp_OSX...
03:59.52simonrvn!ot
03:59.52dpkgPlease keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.  #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
03:59.57CalJohnSkipp_OSX: if only it could've come sooner!  like in 2000 or so :p
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04:00.14CalJohnwanders off
04:00.29im-newbiehi, need some guidance with a eeepc disk problem. (ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 Serr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen)
04:00.31Skipp_OSXand I want to host it on my computer here... does anybody know how to do that?
04:01.00Skipp_OSXif I change the A record to point to my IP... is that good enough?
04:01.19SuperMIguelhow do i get wmv files to play in debian?
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04:02.49im-newbiehi, need some guidance with a eeepc disk problem. (ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 Serr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen)  Anyone?
04:03.10PassingStrangersimonrvn: do you care who you accused of being off-topic?
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04:04.02PassingStranger+to tell
04:04.37macrobatSuperMIguel: are you on 32 or 64 bit debian?
04:05.31Skipp_OSXanybody use yahoo domains here?
04:06.03simonrvnmost of the people talking - why does it matter? someone asked a question, and no one answered them...
04:06.38macrobatSuperMIguel:   i use w64codecs
04:09.15PassingStrangersimonrvn: look at what you wrote. it's impossible to tell what you are referring to. no hard feelings or so. just try to make sense yourself... ;)
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04:12.29clarjon1Hi there
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04:12.45clarjon1I just installed Debian x86_64, and i'm trying to find a good wireless network manager
04:13.16clarjon1I have a broadcom BCM4311 card, works great with the b43 kernel module, i just need the WIfi connection utility
04:13.19clarjon1Any recommendations?
04:13.28xeon-enoufyou mean Debian amd64 :-p maybe wicd?
04:13.35clarjon1wicd-client dies on me :P
04:13.55xeon-enouf!n-m
04:14.10xeon-enoufoh well - network-mangler?
04:14.19xeon-enoufer manager
04:14.24clarjon1lol
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04:14.54im-newbieHi
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04:15.35im-newbieNobody wants to help on a debian testing i686 - eeepc prblem?
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04:17.09im-newbiejust installed Debian on a eeepc with ext4 and grub2, it gets an Ata 2 problem and locks up
04:17.29clarjon1oooooh this looks good
04:17.32clarjon1kwifimanager
04:17.46xeon-enoufim-newbie: checked BTS?
04:18.02im-newbieremove hddtemp and renamed hdparm to hdparm to hdparm.temp to stop accesses to disk
04:18.13im-newbiebut problrem still there
04:18.17xeon-enoufwhat?
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04:18.34clarjon1o.O
04:18.36im-newbieanyone could point me in some direction to find more information?
04:18.45im-newbieshould I open a bug?
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04:19.03slonopotamus_you should show logs
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04:19.08slonopotamus_im-newbie, ^
04:19.16clarjon1I love how seamlessly it runs 32bit apps :D
04:19.33im-newbieok, no logs, disk locks up and no writing to disk is possible
04:20.10im-newbieproblem seems to come from "ata2.00: cmd ca/00:00:97:ac:ad"
04:20.41xeon-enoufuse ata1.00: :-p
04:20.42im-newbiethat some program is executing, but have no idea where to look for that command
04:21.00xeon-enoufhow did you install?
04:21.01im-newbielol xeon-enouf
04:21.32im-newbieinstalled from testing cd from weekly builds
04:22.32xeon-enoufCD?
04:23.07im-newbieyes, cd-img on a pen-drive, why?
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04:23.45clarjon1WOOT!
04:23.47im-newbiei've done several installs before
04:23.50clarjon1Knetworkmanager is sweet
04:23.59clarjon1Um
04:24.20clarjon1Where do I go to recommend a package for the Repos?
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04:25.40im-newbieAny idea Xeon?
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04:27.37im-newbiethere are four lines printed on the screen but not easy to copy them:                    ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 Serr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
04:27.53im-newbieand  "ata2.00: cmd ca/00:00:97:ac:ad"
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04:28.22xeon-enoufim-newbie: i googled that error, doesn't look good
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04:29.35im-newbieThere are comments abour the sata cable, but the eeepc does not have a cable!!!
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04:30.00SkeptHi guys, what is the equivalent of kcontrol in debian squeeze?
04:30.15im-newbiethe SSD disk has tested ok!
04:31.15Skipp_OSXhow long does it take to format a 36GB SCSI disk from the Adaptec BIOS?
04:31.49Skipp_OSXI guess it is a low level format
04:33.15xeon-enoufim-newbie: how far along in boot do you get? did you install laptop-mode?
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04:33.57xeon-enoufjudd: versions knetworkmanager
04:33.57juddxeon-enouf: knetworkmanager --
04:34.50im-newbieXeon-enouf:  the basic system install, boot, no problem, it's when i am installing all packages for gnome that usually the problem appears. repeated 4 times alreaddy
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04:35.01xeon-enouf~$ apt-cache search Knetworkmanager
04:35.02xeon-enoufnetwork-manager-kde - KDE systray applet for controlling NetworkManager
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04:50.26im-newbieWell I guess this is a weird problem, thanks for your time
04:50.26im-newbieBye
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04:50.27homecableeth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:e0:81:2f:22:ec
04:50.27homecableeth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:e0:81:2f:22:ec
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04:50.27homecablewhy is it set to MTU:576
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04:50.28im-newbiehomecable: because the up-stream DHCP server says so.
04:50.28homecablewhat does the MTU do ?
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04:50.28im-newbiehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_transmission_unit
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04:50.28xeon-enoufim-newbie: /msg dpkg netsplit (concerning everyone leaving)
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04:50.29homecablewhy would it be 576 i have fiberoptics
04:50.29im-newbiexeon-enouf: sorry, i don't understand? waht?
04:50.34homecable10/10 meg
04:50.44im-newbiehomecable, well, then cahnge it to 1482
04:51.04homecablei changed it to 1500
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04:51.33im-newbiehomecable, ah, ok.
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04:52.57im-newbiexeon-enouf: Are you still there?
04:53.02homecableweid how it set so low
04:53.21aaron!ndiswrapper
04:53.22dpkgNDISwrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so they can be used in Linux (x86 or x86-64 only).  If there is a Linux driver for your device, first consider that instead, for wireless LAN ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install.  16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported.  http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper  http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/  #ndiswrapper on irc.freenode.net.
04:54.15im-newbiehomecable, that is a ussual trick ISPs use, nothing odd in fact, quite normal.
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04:54.39homecableto slow speeds down or what
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04:56.18im-newbiehomecable: Yes that slows the links, is also related to how things where some years ago about the capacity of routers
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04:58.24im-newbiehomecable: I'll recommend the best setting is 1492
04:59.04homecablejoey:/home/joey# ping www.google.com -f -l 4800
04:59.04homecableWARNING: probably, rcvbuf is not enough to hold preload.
04:59.04homecablePING www.l.google.com (74.125.65.147) 56(84) bytes of data.
04:59.04homecable....
04:59.05homecable--- www.l.google.com ping statistics ---
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04:59.17homecableping www.google.com -f -l 4800
04:59.22homecableworks fine too
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05:10.06im-newbiehomecable: ping is not directly related to MTU, the ping packet is too small. Also, it's very bad to flood any server. Don't do it!!!!
05:10.49im-newbiehomecable: unless you own that server, or it's in your LAN.
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05:14.34homecableEthernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100
05:14.42homecableran fine on freebsd
05:14.51homecablemaybe a bug for that drive in linux
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05:24.37Skipp_OSXfor some reason I couldn't do a Debian Non-Graphical install using an AT keyboard
05:24.50Skipp_OSXwhat's up with that?
05:25.03Skipp_OSXit seems to work in the advanced install
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05:27.34rumpsyhi guys
05:28.23rumpsyquick question?, my grub was crashed... how could i retrieve that??
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05:33.13Skept-Hi guys, what is the equivalent of kcontrol in debian squeeze?
05:33.19macrobatthe concept of "quick question" is hilarious :)
05:33.44macrobatSkept-: try systemsettings or system-settings
05:33.59Skept-ty, let me look it up
05:34.18macrobatthat is if you have kde4
05:35.25macrobatrumpsy, what exactly "crashed"?
05:35.36macrobathow did you break it?
05:35.57aaron!ar5007eg-32
05:36.06aaronanyone know where i can download that driver?
05:36.06rumpsymacrobat: i will tell you....could you please give a minute..
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05:40.24rumpsymacrobat:i accidentily deleted a partion in my hard disk... after that i cant able to boot my LENNY
05:41.11rumpsymacrobat: after that i inserted debian cd1.. for resce...
05:41.39macrobatrumpsy: did you delete it in the partition table? did you overwrite it? what partition? what filesystem?
05:41.50macrobatare you using grub2?
05:41.53rumpsymacrobat: i reinstalled my grub in rescue mode.... but still i can't able to boot
05:42.15rumpsysorry i'm not aware that... grub 2 or grub 1
05:42.39rumpsyi installed default grub druing installation(MBR)
05:43.02macrobatif you have a /boot/grub/menu.lst  it is grub legacy
05:43.27rumpsymacrobat: and another thing is i deleted that menu.lst in grub folder
05:43.44macrobatok, recently the installer lets you choose grub or grub2
05:43.54macrobatnot a good thing rumpsy :)
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05:44.44rumpsyhelp me in this case!! i'm having lots of important files in my LENNY
05:45.03macrobatwhat partitions did you have?
05:45.09ragsagari succesfully configured my bt878 video capture card, i can see the video now, but there is audio
05:45.09macrobatall in one?
05:45.19dondelelcarorumpsy: so boot off of an install cd in rescue mode, pull the files off, and then reinstall
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05:45.42dondelelcarorumpsy: if the files were on the partition that you deleted, image the disk, recreate the partition, and save your files
05:47.09ragsagari found that sox can be used, but how can i find the hw
05:49.49macrobatrumpsy: maybe you can boot with a live-cd and backup
05:49.49macrobatoops
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05:56.48PassingStrangerwow! it's amazing how many people are joining this channel at the exact same minute... coincidence? ;)
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06:04.24macrobatrumpsy: that may be a later question
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06:05.03macrobatso, you had everything in a / partition?
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06:05.35rumpsyya i having /
06:05.38vagothcppHey, I recently burnt a debian install cd (disc 1), anyway, on load I get a tonne of "Buffer I/O Error on device sr0" or something along the lines of that, sr0 is correct though
06:06.25vagothcppSame thing happened with a Ubuntu CD, both 64bit
06:06.57PassingStrangervagothcpp: did you check the validity of the cd? did you double-check it on athother drive?
06:07.06PassingStrangeranother
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06:07.37vagothcppPassingStranger: I do not have another drive. I did a checksum of both discs to find they are perfectly fine.
06:07.38macrobatrumpsy: if you can't reinstall grub with your cd1 maybe you can try http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
06:08.28macrobatand if you cant mount your partition from there, you can try testdisk on "sysresccd"
06:08.55vagothcppOnly thing I can think of that has changed since I last used the discs is I did a BIOS update
06:09.18macrobatrumpsy:  testdisk is supposed to find partitions and write them to the mbr
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06:11.27vagothcppPerhaps reverting would help?
06:11.46Skipp_OSXhey, now I really have a problem...
06:11.55Skipp_OSXmy at keyboard is not working in Debian 5
06:12.00Skept-macrobat: It is systemsettings. THanks a lot :)
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06:18.10vagothcppI was on a split server >.>, anyone say anything relevant
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06:23.52FailPowahmy /var/log/syslog keeps print out "icmpv6_send: no reply icmp error" any suggestion how to fix this?
06:24.07Skipp_OSXnm, I rebooted and now it works, starnge
06:24.10Skipp_OSXstrange
06:24.18vagothcppJust gonna try reverting my BIOS and see if it works
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06:25.25shylentI can not believe, I've actually used it in the past
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06:40.28mhymnrumpsy: did you google that?
06:42.29rumpsymhymn: i googled that no answer rgarding that..
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06:43.13rumpsymyhmn: do you have any opyion for this..
06:43.21Skipp_OSXwhere are zone files located in Debian 5?
06:43.22Periciusum "X: user not authorized to run x server aborting"... why? i chowned .Xauthority to my username
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06:45.15Skipp_OSX/var/cache/bind?
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06:46.27macrobatPericius: how do you start X?
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06:46.33Periciusstartx
06:46.45Periciusonly that way works with all features under vbox
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06:47.26Periciusmacrobat: haven't got a clue what could cause that
06:47.40mhymnrumpsy: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover is just one of many of them
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06:48.36macrobatso you run in virtualbox? maybe that complicates things? :)
06:48.41rumpsymyhmn: even can i get that after deleting menu.lst in grub folder
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06:49.49mhymnrumpsy: dude, do something beside just talking and talking
06:49.51Periciusmacrobat: yeah, the only way i can get nix to work :) paid off still
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06:50.15Periciusii must advertise something...
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06:50.24Periciuschanged my life
06:50.29Periciusforget about kde and gnome
06:50.37Periciusi'm not paid to endorse :P
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06:51.42macrobatrumpsy:  a menu.lst can be generated. was it the deletion of that file that got you in trouble?
06:52.01macrobatPericius: do i need to learn haskell?
06:52.15Periciusmacrobat: i didn't
06:52.23Periciusthough, i am using xmonad an hour or so total :D
06:52.37Periciusmacrobat: um, changed Xwrapper to allow anybody
06:52.46Periciusremoved that error
06:52.51Periciusbut now i get another
06:52.52Pericius:D
06:53.10macrobatso i can ssh to you and use your X now? :)
06:53.16macrobatnvm
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06:53.22Periciusmacrobat: fatal server error: server is already active for display 0....
06:53.55macrobati dont know, maybe "startx -- :1"
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06:56.31Periciusmacrobat: no, that didn't helped
06:56.58Periciuswill try rm -rf /tmp/.X0-lock
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06:58.13Periciusmacrobat: i removed startx from  .bashrc and started it manually and now it works
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06:59.53dpkgSkipp_OSX: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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07:02.55vagothcppNever mind. UNetbootin
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07:09.53ponkyPericius: startx should be in .xinitrc not .bashrc
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07:12.16macrobati thought my startx ran the stuff i had in my .xinitrc
07:12.31macrobati type it manually
07:12.37valdynstartx should not be in any file
07:13.40valdynmacrobat: yea startx in xinitrc would be funny if X wouldnt refuse to start the 2nd time
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07:17.24jas4711is the 'draft' installation guide for squeeze available on debian.org somewhere?  I found a problem in the lenny manual and wanted to check if it has been solved before reporting it
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07:18.44cydorkjas4711: you mean? http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual
07:19.02jas4711cydork, heh easy. thanks!
07:19.44jas4711not fixed. i'll report. :-)
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07:31.03AlexC_I've just upgraded to Linux kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64 on 3 machines, 1 of them has restarted fine - 2 of them have yet to come back up. Now, one of them I can see a message saying 'Starting system message bus: dbus' and it just sits there
07:31.17AlexC_I can only assume the other server is doing the same (but no physical access)
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07:41.52AlexC_are there some issues regarding MySQL in the latest updates? Both servers that have MySQL installed have both failed to come back up, sitting at starting DBUS, then after about 5 mins it continues and fails to start MySQL
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07:42.25AlexC_refering to Lenny 5.0.2
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07:50.32betohello. i have a debian box with xorg installed and running fine. is it possible to issue a command from a remote computer indicating this debian box to launch an application on its own local xorg server session, not the remote side like with ssh -X?
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07:53.22jmarsdenbeto: use the DISPLAY variable to determine which X server a client app will use.
07:53.32tzafrir_laptopbeto: DISPLAY=:0 command
07:54.11tzafrir_laptopAssuming you run as a user already authorized to connect to that display
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07:54.43betojmarsden,tzafrir_laptop: so the command would be like? i am using root to connect over ssh and am aware of the security risk, but that is expensable on my setup
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07:55.26jmarsdenbeto: tzafrir_laptop gave you an example command already... ?
07:55.41betoi am using this 'ssh root@100.100.100.1 "/root/xyzapp"   '
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07:57.16jmarsdenIf you can't understand his example you *really* should not be doing this as root!  ssh root@100.100.100.1 "DISPLAY=:0 /root/xyzapp"
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07:59.26betojmarsden,tzafrir_laptop: thank you, got it. the setup is locked inside its own separate network, so it would be needed to physically violate some security to connect to it
07:59.59betobut we are very aware of that security issue. thank you again for your very fast help
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08:02.21tzafrir_laptopjmarsden, make sure that XAUTHORITY was not overriden by ssh
08:02.38tzafrir_laptopIf it was, re-set it
08:02.55tzafrir_laptopdid root start the X session or was it a different user?
08:03.40jony123If anyone here is currently a Audio Enginneer or is studying to be one can you please message me.   :) thanks for for your time and attention
08:03.40betotzafrir_laptop: root started the X session
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08:05.03tzafrir_laptopSo make sure XAUTHORITY is either unset or set to /root/.Xauthority
08:05.03betoroot started the X session on the remote box. the command you gave me should remotely invoke the execution of an application in the current local X session in the remote box
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08:06.12betotzafrir_laptop: will check. thanks
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08:08.17AlexC_has  the latest MySQL updates killed anyone elses system? 2 of my servers wont come back up, pausing at 'Starting system message bus: dbus' then after 5 mins, fails to loads MySQL
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08:08.43AlexC_I'm not sure if 2.6.26-2 has caused it either, but the one server I have physical access to, -1 still does the same (which previously worked)
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08:13.37AlexC_would greatly appreciate some help in debugging this =)
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08:29.54Evo2Has anyone here using a machine with the Intel Poulsbo chipset?
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08:35.55efaistos_anyone using davical with a blackberry ?
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08:45.57endrahey
08:46.18endrai'm trying to setup a network printer with cups/samba but it needs the cups-config application.. I don't know how to install it with debian. Any ideas please?
08:47.02Stereoendra: try http://packages.debian.org/file:cups-config
08:47.54themillendra: are you trying to compile a new driver that's not already packaged for debian?
08:48.01endrathemill: no
08:48.05AlexC_is anyone aware of regressions in the latest MySQL updates? Both servers which did those updates, after a restart (to boot into 2.6.26-2) fail to start up correctly. They pause at 'Starting system message bus: dbus' and then after 5 mins fails to load MySQL and other processes
08:48.07endrathemill: well, I don't know to be honest :)
08:48.19endrathemill: it's my first time setting up a network printer on a linux server
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08:50.13endrathemill: hplip had the files I needed to get my printer workign locally. I am trying to add it to samba using cupsaddsmb but it tells me 'No Windows printer drivers are installed'
08:50.16lukehello everybody
08:50.19endraluke: hello
08:51.09lukeDoes anbody know if it is possible to install a package with a previous release number (eg.g)
08:51.22lukeeg. apt-get install postgresql 8.3.3
08:51.38Arrowmasterno
08:51.47lukeisn't posible?
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08:53.00themillendra: what is the print server running and what is the client running?
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08:54.57endrathemill: print server is running debian with cups/samba working perfectly. The client is running windows vista home premium. The printer is C4480 by HP. When I add the network printer, it says this: The server for the printer does not have the correct printer drivers installed. If you want to search for the proper drivers, click OK. Otherwise, click Cancel and contact your network administrator blah blah'
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08:55.33mickepragI have a source-package which creates a shared-library and two command line application which uses the shared library. Should I package the shared library in its own .deb-package or can I create one that includes all three binarys?
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08:56.11themillendra: ahh... you can just feed the windows machine the correct drivers and it will be happy... I've never actually gone down that path of feeding the windows drivers automagically through cups/samba to the client.
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08:57.16endrathemill: yup but where's the fun in that :D
08:57.26AlexC_is anyone aware of regressions in the latest MySQL updates? Both servers which did those updates, after a restart (to boot into 2.6.26-2) fail to start up correctly. They pause at 'Starting system message bus: dbus' and then after 5 mins fails to load MySQL and other processes
08:57.30themillendra: quite!
08:58.01endrathemill: would be cool if cups had a 'get drivers off of CD' :(
08:58.35themillendra: send patches :P
08:59.43endrathemill: meh, I wouldn't know where to begin :)
08:59.50endrathemill: thanks for the help anyways!
09:02.20endrathemill: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsysm/article.php/3621876 I think I have cups-config now :)
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09:08.08Symbi0nthow can I force cron to run and where can I see errors if happen?
09:08.49anddamanyone about the ppc live question?
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09:09.22chellomere!ppc
09:09.22dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture.  You worship it, and wish you were running on it.  Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc
09:10.38anddamchellomere: but that is not going to help
09:10.48aaronhey i have a question I'm running alsa on debian everything works fine. but when it comes to Xmms or audacious i get no sound can someone tell me why the mixers are fine.
09:11.10chellomereanddam, I was just guessing that people in #debianppc had more knowledge about, well, ppc :)
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09:11.46anddamthe question is if there's a debianlive iso, I can only see i386 and amd64
09:11.52anddamI'm already in #debianppc
09:11.58chellomereah
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09:13.11AlexC_after some updates today (MySQL and a restart for 2.6.26-2) my servers are failing to start up, getting stuck at 'Starting system message bus: dbus' - any ideas on how to debug this?
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09:20.38GarpHi.
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09:21.27Evo2luke: yes you can. Depends on your apt-get version and repos though, try: apt-get install postgresql=8.3.3
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09:24.00nfi|ermesfind /home/indesiderata/Maildir/cur/* -mtime +30 -exec rm {} \;
09:24.23nfi|ermesArgument list too long
09:24.41nfi|ermeshow can i delete so many files ?
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09:25.03PassingStrangerxargs
09:25.06aaronhey i have a question I'm running alsa on debian everything works fine. but when it comes to Xmms or audacious i get no sound can someone tell me why the mixers are fine.
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09:25.56GarpQuestion about ssh tuneling security (however not specific to debian). If I suppose the follwing, typed on machine hostA, by user 'foo' : ssh -N -f foo@hostB -L1000:localhost:2000 . Am I right to understand that *any* user on hostA will be able to use the ssh tunnel to connect to hostB just by using port 1000 on localhost? That looks very insecure, is there a way to fix this? Even more: if another user is not on hostA but try to connect to hostA:1000, with sh
09:26.02aaron<PROTECTED>
09:26.33Evo2nfi|ermes: have you tried with a for loop?
09:26.48nfi|ermesi solved
09:26.56nfi|ermesdon t need *
09:27.04nfi|ermesfind /home/indesiderata/Maildir/cur/ -mtime +30 -exec rm {} \;
09:27.09Evo2nfi|ermes: Ahh!
09:27.10nfi|ermesin this way it works
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09:28.31lukeEvo2, thank you! I've already tried it, but it doesn't work. I didn't know that is also depends on the apt-get version
09:29.29lukeIs there any change to see the difference from the 8.3.3 version to let's say 8.3.4
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09:30.00Evo2luke: less /usr/share/doc/postgess/changelog.gz
09:30.15lukethx!
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09:31.05Evo2luke: It's good to get into the habit of having a peak at /usr/share/doc/foo whenever you install or upgrade foo
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09:31.45lukeyes, I see! Didn't knew that before!
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09:33.37PassingStrangerEvo2: Generally, there will be sooo much extra info installed, yet it seems nobody knows about it...
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09:39.28Evo2PassingStranger: no one knows about /usr/share/doc ?
09:39.58PassingStrangerEvo2: that's not what I meant...
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09:40.12Evo2PassingStranger: Sorry, what did you mean?
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09:42.03PassingStrangerEvo2: it seems to be that not many human beings know about all the extra info that is installed and already there for their perusal. like it might be better to bring ot to their attention in an easier fashion. something like that...
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09:43.33Evo2PassingStranger: Yeah, it has been a long time since I looked at any of the "official" Debian user manuals...
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09:44.48vysicalhello
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09:46.09vysicali am running a server with a qemu-machine on it. everytime i reboot the master i have to restart the guest by opening screen and then start qemu, then i can close the ssh-session and qemu is still running. how to automate this on a master-restart?
09:46.09Evo2PassingStranger: I remember that I found the "Debian Reference" by Osamu Aoki to be full of good stuff. Not sure if it is up to date anymore though
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09:55.48iateadonuti need an SIP account name to test twinkle (trying with sipgate but unsuccessful)
09:55.53iateadonutany suggestions?
09:56.15petemcgoogle
09:56.22petemcand in google talk
09:56.30petemcbut the search engine would probably be useful too
09:56.37petemcs/and/as/
09:56.42iateadonutthere's like a million of them, though.
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09:58.03iateadonutthanks, though.
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09:58.41O01tail -f | find something
09:58.44O01how would you do that?
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09:58.55O01need to tail -f and search for a speicif match
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09:59.37themillO01: "tail -f foobar | grep match" ?
09:59.42O01done
09:59.43O01thanks
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10:00.53PassingStrangerEvo2: maybe there's an info browser that needs to be written or an already existing one that needs to be placed somewhere more prominently... ;)
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10:01.42O01how would you do that in a script
10:01.47O01without piping to a file first
10:01.53O01x=`something something2`
10:02.04O01how could you find if something2 existed in x
10:02.17O01you can't do echo $x | grep something2 can you ?
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10:02.33themillO01: you can but there are easier ways.
10:02.40O01do tell
10:03.04Evo2O01: why not just send the output directly to grep: something something2 | grep match
10:03.15O01I see
10:03.20themillO01: are you wanting to use "bash" or just the generic "sh"? (there is a difference from squeeze onwards)
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10:04.24themillO01: being a little more concrete (and less vague) in your examples would help here, btw. Example of input, desired output and actual code snippet in a pastebin would help.
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10:05.32themillO01: while Evo2 is right for this example, "echo $x | grep foo" is ugly -- if you are using #!/bin/bash, then look at the [[ operator (google "bash substring" or "/msg dpkg bash" for more ideas)
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10:10.12dokmaHi guys. Am I correct in saying that if the only way I log into the machine is ssh I do not need fgetty for virtual consoles?
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10:12.10Evo2dokma: I don't know the answer, but how much space/resources would that save you?
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10:12.47dokmaEvo2: this is not about space/resourcers but my knowldge and uderstanding of the machine I am administering.
10:13.18Evo2dokma: I see.
10:13.27dokmawhich I believe abounds on this channel and I would love to snack some!
10:14.38Evo2dokma: Seems the Wizards are not around right now
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10:14.55inigoSee securetty(5) and login(1)
10:15.04inigoand of course ssh
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10:15.30inigossh will use  pts/0  pts/1  etc
10:15.57inigogetty is for tty1 tty2 etc
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10:17.07inigoanyyway, i think it's not a good idea to disable all login channels but shh.
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10:18.10dfgghhttp://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:18.43O01is there anyway to hide a process from ps auwx ?
10:18.46sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:18.54sex_222sex
10:18.56sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:18.58O01lol
10:19.08sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:19.10O01I wonder what the clickthrough s on that link
10:19.10sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:19.17sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:19.35lazynessex ^^
10:19.43sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:19.50O01oh, really sex!?
10:19.53sex_222sex good
10:19.54O01let me check that out
10:19.55sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:20.05PassingStranger001: probably zero from this channel. hopefully ;)
10:20.07O01oh man that's the best link
10:20.18O01I just downloaded it and installed it
10:20.22O01now I'm having sex
10:20.24O01this is awesome.
10:20.25sex_222sex nice man
10:20.27sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:20.30lazynescyber ? p+
10:20.31O01yea it's terrific.
10:20.33lazynesomg
10:20.38sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:20.44sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:20.54Foxbla
10:20.54sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
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10:21.06O01will someone end this?
10:21.07sex_222i love its sex
10:21.14sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:24.48sex_222pleas sex
10:24.49sex_222http://www.vi2tu.net/uploads/mirc_1.exe
10:25.30O01guess that answers that
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10:25.41Fanuc98I had a question, but is something wrong with freenode?
10:25.41illuminatiwhat's this ?
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10:25.42Foxjust a netsplit, ask anyway :)
10:25.42Fanuc98First off, everytime I type now, I get an annoying beep from my mb speaker.  How do I shut it off?
10:25.42Fanuc98l
10:25.42Foxxset -b
10:26.08Fanuc98I have a mini dvd-r that I cannot get to read.  It is a UDF filesystem, multisession camcorder disc of home movies made from a Hitachi DVD Cam.  I have tried the fstab auto fix and it didn't work.
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10:28.57O01how can you hire a process from ps?  nothing crazy like a rootkit, but is there a simple command to do this or application to do this for a regular script?
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10:30.53CcSsNETO01 only semi relivant. but grsec kernel patch allows user control of what processes are seen by what user. in other words they only see there own processes
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10:32.03Fanuc98I have a mini dvd-r that I cannot get to read.  It is a UDF filesystem, multisession camcorder disc of home movies made from a Hitachi DVD Cam.  I have tried the fstab auto fix and it didn't work.
10:32.04themillO01: why would you want to hide a process from ps?
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10:33.19illuminatithemill,  he is doing a keylogger :P
10:33.23lvhhi
10:33.30lvhis there a recommended way of using cabal on debian
10:33.38lvhin a way that wont piss the package manager off later?
10:33.43lvhpresumably "yes, install locally"
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10:37.45xeon-enoufFanuc98: what is the fstab auto fix?
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10:38.11Foxit's just like 'mount -t auto blabla'
10:38.18O01themill: various reasons
10:38.20Fanuc98To change udf iso9669 (or something like that) to auto
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10:38.45O01what I find funny IRC is that you guys love to know the "reason"
10:38.49O01as if it actually matters
10:39.09O01I could make up any clever enough reason to get the response I want
10:39.10xeon-enoufFanuc98: can you show me your line? and pastebin output of dmesg once you plug the camcorder in?
10:39.20O01you guys are to answer questions, not understand reasoning
10:39.38Foxit's not that it matters, it's just that it might be intresting :)
10:39.40petemcright answer, wrong question
10:39.59O01Fox: of my 15 years on IRC, that is RARELY the case
10:40.00zophy-64bitios there a debian silence project ?
10:40.03PassingStranger001 you got to be kidding. knowing about the reason enables people to suggest an even better solution if there is one...
10:40.10themilldpkg: tell O01 about xyproblem
10:40.27O01lol
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10:40.52O01okay well it's 4am and ##linux just jaded me
10:40.57Fanuc98I can plug the camcorder in, but I've formatted and finalized the disc via the camcorder and was trying to get the disc to run in my dvd drive.  (I know the disc is ok, I can get it to run in vista on brothers comp).  Pastebinning and dmesging now.
10:41.02O01as they wouldn't answer my question because they thought I was building a rootkit
10:41.06themillO01: we see that "xy problem" situation more times than you care to imagine. Normally when someone wants to do something that makes us ask "why on earth would you want to do that" it's because that's the situation
10:41.08O01which even if I was, does not really matter
10:41.11O01:P
10:41.20xeon-enoufFanuc98: ok
10:41.39O01it's really simple, I want ps to hide a process I'm running
10:41.49O01it's not malicious, I simply don't want other users to see it
10:41.59O01that's the only purpose
10:42.07xeon-enoufO01: compile your own version
10:42.20O01of the app?
10:42.23O01it's just a bash script
10:42.27O015 lines
10:42.30O01:P
10:42.34illuminatiwhy some debian packages can't be installed and without outputting errors ?
10:42.38xeon-enoufO01: or, to hide a grep, surround the 1st letter with []  :-P
10:42.57O01lol, that's a neat trick
10:43.06O01why's that?
10:43.15xeon-enoufO01: no, not the app, ps
10:43.25O01funny.
10:43.44Fanuc98fstab.... http://pastebin.com/d79a31a9b
10:44.02Fanuc98any variables I should use with dmesg, that's a lot of info.
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10:45.35xeon-enoufFanuc98: just upload it ; as well as lsmod output
10:46.08PassingStranger001: are you aware of the fact that just because you decided to hide some stuff away from your users is causing quite a few people to actually think about this problem of yours? doesn't matter if you are using IRC for 15 years or not...
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10:47.39xeon-enoufFanuc98: make your cdrom0 line back to; /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   iso9660,udf    user,noauto    0       0
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10:48.25Fanuc98ok.  dmesg http://pastebin.com/d3ca57203
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10:49.12lvhhi
10:49.24lvhanyone using haskell? How am I supposed to get cabal-install on debian
10:49.25illuminatiO01, create a bash script, name it "grep" and put it in your /usr/local/bin it will be called first instead of the system command grep.. and no one can discover this
10:49.28Fanuc98lsmod... http://pastebin.com/d5fed12a8 changing fstab back.
10:51.01dokmainigo: I have only ssh available as login channel. Why do you think that is bad other than the possibility of blocking my self if ssh fails?
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10:52.26amphilvh: I just used runhaskell setup.lhs blah here
10:52.55Fanuc98there's an error I didn't see before... http://pastebin.com/d4dc8ddc9
10:53.12xeon-enoufFanuc98: 1st) you have TWO optical drives; why one entry in fstab? 2) you're on ubuntu :-( 3) i still want to try and help :-/, but we have to now go into PM, or i have to /j #ubuntu, and that ain't happening ;-) 4) cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info and make sure ls -l /dev/cdrom* is pointing to correct /dev/name
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10:54.19Fanuc98I don't mind pm if you do not.
10:54.21xeon-enoufFanuc98: atleast you didn't try to 'hide' it, *unlike* some others here (/me winks at O01 )
10:54.30xeon-enoufFanuc98: ok
10:54.36AppDebanyone knows how I can force passwd to accept a weak password?
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10:58.10hipodilskimy keyboard "end" key is sending "~" character instead of transporting me into the end of the line
10:58.27hipodilskiany idea how to fix that?
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10:59.27Arrowmasterwhat shell?
11:00.05hipodilskibash
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11:00.24hipodilskiunder console the key works correctly
11:01.43Arrowmasterhmm ive only got the lines to do that in my .zshrc, dont know know for bash
11:02.44hipodilskiArrowmaster: I can always switch to zsh could you give me the lines?
11:03.07hipodilskiwhat is really strange is that now it works looks like it works "occasionally"
11:03.20Arrowmasteri could but i doubt you would be comfortable in zsh
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11:07.30Arrowmastercreate a ~/.inputrc and in it put the following
11:08.57Arrowmaster"\e[4~": end-of-line; "\e[F": end-of-line; "\e0w": end-of-line
11:09.02Arrowmasterreplace the ;'s with newlines
11:09.18Arrowmasterone of those should work, not sure which though
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11:12.46Arrowmasternow im even more confused because i just checked and the end key is sending \eOF for me in gnome-terminal and for some reason i have those 3 others in my .zshrc as possible sequences for the end key
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11:16.10Arrowmasteroh now i remember, the \e[4~ was for putty with end/home set to standard mode, and it seems putty sends \eOw in rxvt mode
11:16.39Arrowmastereverything just has to behave differently doesnt it
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11:20.10ajavidTitan8990, great success
11:20.17ajavidTitan8990, I have been up all fucking night man.
11:20.31ajavidTitan8990, http://picpaste.com/kde35.png <- I made 'em my bitch.
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11:21.34ajavidTitan8990, I'm using xinerama and my cpu is going crazy...
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11:22.24ajavidTitan8990, http://paste.debian.net/45605/ <- here is my xorg.conf
11:22.42ajavidTitan8990, Xorg is taking up like 80% cpu... wtf. Does xinerama have problems?
11:23.31Arrowmasteryou really have a 1920x1080 display instead of 1920x1200? i feel sorry for you
11:23.43ajavidwhy?
11:24.07ajavidis it because I prefer 16:9 instead of 16:10
11:24.30ajavidas still... most all media is in 16:9 anyway
11:24.49Arrowmastermovies arent
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11:28.29NekawA1920x1080 is standard tv size
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11:28.47themillfsvo standard
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11:29.25ajavidanyone know anything about xinerama taking up 80% cpu
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11:35.51ajavidnevermind
11:35.57ajavidI can't be bothered to fuck with Xinerama
11:36.00ajavid$>xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto --left-of DVI-1
11:36.09jelly1920x1080 is a standard HD res
11:36.12ajavidbingo.
11:36.18ajavidjelly, yes, I got native 1080p
11:36.25ajavidtwo x 24"
11:36.33jellyyay you!
11:36.36ajavideh
11:36.45ajavidthey are going to my younger brother as a gift this christmas
11:36.50jellyyay him!
11:36.51ajavidI'm gonna buy me some large formats
11:36.55ajavidyay everybody! :)
11:37.09ajavidScreen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 3840 x 1080, maximum 3840 x 1080
11:37.15ajavidnow... I'm a happy camper.
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11:37.34ajavidCan finally go to bed... then I have to bring my little neice to the airport :D bye bye
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11:42.36NekawAanyone familiar with using deborphan/debfoster
11:42.45fireba11NekawA: yes, why?
11:43.03NekawAi know i have tons of packages that i don't need installed, but when i run these programs things like 'apt-file' and 'beep' are showing up as orphaned which I use, and are working
11:43.15NekawAi'm afraid to let it remove all the things it says in fear that it'll remove something it shouldn't..
11:43.30abrotmanNekawA: they're listed in deborphan because nothing depends on them
11:43.45fireba11NekawA: what debian version are you on? lenny got apt-get autoremove too
11:44.38NekawALinux inmideb 2.6.26-2-xen-686 #1 SMP Fri Jul 31 10:16:33 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
11:45.11fireba11NekawA: judging from the kernel it's leey, but checkt /etc/debian_version
11:45.24NekawAso it's going to remove these programs if I run it and then they won't be installed anymore things like apt-file i use, definitely is not required
11:45.33abrotmanNekawA: do you understand what deborphan does?
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11:45.47NekawA5.0.2 it says (cat /etc/debian_version)
11:46.19fireba11NekawA: then you can have a look what apt-get autoremove would do
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11:46.43NekawAas far as I know it lists orphaned packages (packages that have no dependencies) if I do apt-get remove `deborphan --guess-all` it's showing some things i'm not so sure i want to remove
11:46.49NekawAam I mis-understanding it's purpose?
11:46.55NekawAhere's my issue:
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11:47.06abrotmanNekawA: they don't remove them ..
11:47.31abrotmanthen don't
11:48.02NekawAI was building some things from source so I did 'apt-get build-dep rtorrent' and it installed all the dependent packages i needed, now that rtorrent is compiled / running, i don't need all those packages
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11:48.33NekawAi've done that about 5-10 times for compiling different things, so now my 8 gig root partition, which really doesn't have much on it, is full..
11:48.39abrotmanNekawA: there's no simple/easy way to remove those
11:48.54abrotmani've seen a few scripts posted in various places .. but i don't have a reference handy
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11:48.56NekawAcan you recommend a better way to do it?
11:49.36NekawAi guess i could make a domU and then do 'apt-get build-dep rtorrent' on the domu and just copy/paste the package names into Dom0 and run it as apt-get remove
11:49.52abrotmanhttp://www.enricozini.org/2008/tips/undoable-aptget-builddep/ ... something like that might have been useful
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11:50.47scxhello
11:50.54abrotmanhttp://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2006-11/msg02446.html
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11:51.29scxwhich package is recommended: bluez-gnome OR gnome-bluetooth?
11:51.55Arrowmastergnome-bluetooth i think
11:52.03scxArrowmaster: thx
11:52.05Arrowmasteri dont think i can remove it without removing the gnome package
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11:52.14azeemdepends on which version of Debian as well I think
11:52.18abrotmanprobably depends on which version of debian
11:52.27Arrowmastertrue, im using squeeze
11:52.28abrotmanlooks at azeem
11:52.37scxtesting/unstable
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11:53.12NekawAtx abrotman i'll try the devscripts progy maybe that'll do moreso what i want
11:54.08Arrowmastersilly update-notification has been suck saying 1 update for weeks now because im running with a mix of testing and unstable
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11:55.03xandsilly you for mixing versions
11:55.25abrotmanArrowmaster: that's why i turned it off :)
11:55.34Arrowmasteri have to, not all the nvidia packages i need are in testing
11:55.36themillArrowmaster: it's a GIGO system.... you're feeding it garbage...
11:56.04Arrowmasterabrotman: yeah im about to turn it off too, i know exactly what the problem is too
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11:57.09scxdo you have gnome-apt OR gdeb (NOT gdebi)?
11:57.10Arrowmasterapt-get dist-upgrade wants to install diffutils that only exists in unstable, aptitude dist-upgrade doesnt have anything to upgrade
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11:57.25tawanopenbox users: How can I launch 3 things from one menu item?
11:58.12Arrowmasterscx: neither
11:58.39scxArrowmaster: but you have gnome?
11:58.43Arrowmasteryeah
11:58.47scxok, thx
11:59.00Arrowmasterboth of those seem to recommend each other too
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12:00.53scxbut gdeb replace gnome-apt <0.4.2 and req libapt-inst-libc6.7-6-1.1 and libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 (wtf?!)
12:00.56JohannesSM64what's the primary disadvantage of logging in as root and doing everything as root? (detailed)
12:01.19NekawAsecurity mainly i believe
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12:01.52themillscx: /msg dpkg bat
12:02.41JohannesSM64NekawA: yes i know, that's what people say, but i wanna know why.
12:02.58JohannesSM64the only difference i can see is that i don't have to type my password to do administrative things
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12:03.08JohannesSM64which doesn't really make a difference, it's just more convenient
12:03.08llutzJohannesSM64: google tells you why
12:03.16abrotmanJohannesSM64: define 'everything' ?
12:03.30NekawAwell u can edit your sudoer's file so u don't have to type your password as a normal user
12:03.56NekawA"%sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" would make all users in 'sudo' group not have to type password to sudo
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12:04.07JohannesSM64thanks!
12:04.16llutzNekawA: if you do that, you simply can work as root. stupid idea imho
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12:04.27JohannesSM64why?
12:05.03abrotmanJohannesSM64: what do you mean by "do everything as root" ?
12:05.08NekawAsay someone logs in w/ a RSA key, then they have root access w/ never typing in a password
12:05.16llutzJohannesSM64: it undermines system security
12:05.23ranix!iyhtays
12:05.23dpkgIf you have to ask, you shouldn't.
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12:05.39JohannesSM64well.
12:05.40xeon-enoufif anyone is interested in my convo with Fanuc98 in PM about his Camcorder + MiniDVD issue; http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m1d6117c0
12:05.53ranixJohannesSM64: take the word of people who know more about it than you have the background to comprehend, and just do it the right way until you understand why you need to do it the right way
12:06.13JohannesSM64good advice, but i am still curious
12:06.27abrotmanJohannesSM64: you still haven't answered the question i've asked twice
12:06.57jpinxtrying to run gnumeric over a ssh-X connection and it's refusing to display locally. Options of --screen remote or --screen <local hostname> don't work. Any ideas anyone?
12:07.02JohannesSM64abrotman: i mean starting X as root, and thus being root all the time, but "%sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" kinda obsoletes that idea.
12:07.22xeon-enouf(basically though, i'm not sure what fixed it (but we umounted it, and then X/Gnome saw the VIDEO_TS or so) ... and it seeems now to error when s/he tries to copy it over to HDD, so s/he says )
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12:08.20abrotmanJohannesSM64: let's try this .. You're using Iceweasel to surf the web, and it links against say .. libjpeg, but libjpeg has a flaw that allows remote execution via a buffer overflow.  You could wipe your entire system just by loading a malicious JPG from a website
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12:08.48Arrowmasterrm -rf /
12:08.49llutzJohannesSM64: if you fetch malware, it will run with root-permission too. if you do something nasty, it will be done. working as root will drive you into trouble, sooner or later
12:08.49abrotmanJohannesSM64: but if you were a normal user, the best it oculd do is wipe your $HOME
12:08.56abrotmanArrowmaster: please don't type that in here again
12:09.05ranixJohannesSM64: PNG actually has an arbitrary code execution vulnerability in a recent version, so what abrotman is saying is VERY valid
12:09.18ranixwait, not PNG, it was TIFF
12:09.20abrotmanranix: but who uses PNGs on websites :)
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12:09.45ranixabrotman: someone who wants to wipe your hard drive? ;)
12:10.08abrotmanJohannesSM64: http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1870 .. for instance if running your IM client as root
12:10.30abrotmanJohannesSM64: now do you understand why it's bad?
12:10.35JohannesSM64yes
12:10.45JohannesSM64what about just not requiring password to sudo, though?
12:10.47ranixor running bitchx as root, that got a lot of people
12:10.48JohannesSM64is that equally bad?
12:10.56abrotmannot technically any better
12:11.09Arrowmasterdoesnt wine have a policy that you should never ever under any circumstances run wine as root?
12:11.09ranixit's marginally better
12:11.15tawan<Arrowmaster> rm -rf ..... is a banable offense in my eyes, worse than anything
12:11.23llutzranix: no it isn't
12:11.23ranixtawan: fork bomb is worse
12:11.34abrotmanso why repeat it?
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12:13.18NekawAif people didn't fix their ulimit they deserve to be forkbombed
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12:13.41ranixnobody deserves to be forkbombed
12:13.57ranixthat's like saying people who run windows on exposed machines deserve to be zombified
12:14.08ranixit just causes problems for _everybody else_
12:14.31NekawAif I run around naked in the street don't I deserve to be put in jail for indecent exposure?
12:14.36PassingStrangerabrotman: funny, and i actually don't want to sidetrack that discussion... but i always wondered... isn't the actual $home directory what counts most? i mean the actual data "the user" created. the system  can probably easily be reinstalled...
12:14.43Arrowmasterim guessing none of the archive extraction software for nix has any protection against zip bombs either
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12:14.51ranixNekawA: that argument was illogical
12:14.51abrotmanPassingStranger: hopefully you've got a backup :)
12:15.13abrotmanPassingStranger: you could even have one on your own system
12:15.19PassingStrangerabrotman: it's not me i'm wondering about... ;)
12:15.27JohannesSM64isn't running an installer sudoed equally bad? a malicious installer could wipe away my system?
12:15.32abrotmanyes
12:15.44abrotmanJohannesSM64: let me find you a bug
12:15.53Arrowmasterbut you have to make that choice to run the installer using sudo
12:15.54ranixthat's why we use gpg-signed, trusted repositories
12:16.03ranixinstead of using installers
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12:16.40abrotmanJohannesSM64: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=155873
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12:17.08NekawAcall me illogical then - if someone finds problem with something and u do nothing to fix/stop it I kind of see it as your own fault, your right nobody truly deserves anything bad to happen to them, but some things are easily fixable
12:17.14Arrowmasteri have to use a weird shell script + jar archive to install the daemon for my 3ware raid card
12:17.23JohannesSM64heh, 155k bugs
12:17.28abrotmanJohannesSM64: see the problem in that bug?
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12:18.27JohannesSM64yes, he was root
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12:19.00xeon-enouf"nobody truly deserves anything bad to happen to them"  <--except the entire last Bush Administration :-p
12:19.04Arrowmasterno the script did a cd /path; rm -r
12:19.13Arrowmasterinstead of a rm -r /path
12:19.25ranixxeon-enouf: yes, you're right. "Only a few people deserve truly bad things to happen to them"
12:19.28abrotmanJohannesSM64: uhm .. that's not the problem that i was referring to .. he was removing a package which requires su/sudo rights
12:19.33Arrowmasteror even cd /path && rm -r which wouldnt have run the rm -r if the cd failed
12:20.30abrotmanJohannesSM64: and the package scripts had a bug .. this is in reference to your "malicious installer" question
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12:21.36maxagazafter i do a remove, where can i check all the files that have been removed ?
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12:21.54azeemmaxagaz: you cannot
12:22.00azeemAFAIK
12:22.04abrotmanmaxagaz: if you just did a 'remove' and there were conf files, they will remain
12:22.04jpinxmaxagaz: did you use aptitude purge?
12:22.11floh79Hi, isn't there any deb-package channel?
12:22.21abrotmanthere's a package called cruft that can help find files that don't belong to a package
12:22.22floh79I've got a question about modifying an deb-package.
12:22.30azeemfloh79: you can ask here
12:22.36floh79azeem: fine.
12:22.51maxagazazeem, abhoriel jpinx , i mean remove like this: rm *.foo
12:22.53jpinxmaxagaz: and you can use deb-orphan
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12:23.02floh79I would like to modify only 1 source file of the package avahi-daemon.
12:23.04azeemmaxagaz: then see what I wrote above
12:23.13maxagazazeem, ok
12:23.15maxagazthanks
12:23.22abrotmanmaxagaz: removal of a package won't affect a user's dotfiles
12:23.25floh79I don't known how to "extract" and modify it and recreate new package.
12:23.36maxagazabrotman, i didn't remove any package
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12:23.55jpinxmaxagaz: ls *.foo should return nothing
12:24.05floh79I downloaded 3 files: avahi_0.6.23-3lenny1.diff.gz  avahi_0.6.23-3lenny1.dsc  avahi_0.6.23.orig.tar.gz
12:24.07maxagazi thought it could be written in some logs
12:24.10azeemwasn't the question /which/ files got removed?
12:24.16floh79And then?
12:24.19azeemnot to confirm removal of all files?
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12:24.40jpinxmaxagaz: no - there is no log of rm's activities
12:24.48abrotmanfloh79: what are you trying to modify about that package ?
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12:25.31floh79abrotman: I want to insert some debug-outputs at some places.
12:25.56floh79I only want to know what happens in avahi-daemon.
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12:27.03jellyjudd: versions lilo
12:27.03juddjelly: lilo -- etch: 1:22.6.1-9.3 lenny: 1:22.8-7 sid: 1:22.8-8 squeeze: 1:22.8-8
12:27.16jellyjudd: versions grub
12:27.16juddjelly: grub -- etch: 0.97-27etch1 lenny: 0.97-47lenny2 sid: 0.97-56 squeeze: 0.97-56
12:27.28jellyjudd: versions grub-pc
12:27.28juddjelly: grub-pc -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 squeeze: 1.96+20090808-1 sid: 1.97~beta1-1
12:28.36Titan8990_!start a distro war
12:28.36dpkgDebian Rulz
12:28.50jellytrue dat
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12:29.08jellydpkg: karma dpkg
12:29.08dpkgdpkg has karma of 13
12:29.15jelly!dpkg++
12:29.16jellydpkg: karma dpkg
12:29.21dpkgdpkg has karma of 14
12:29.27abrotmanjelly: /msg ?
12:29.53Titan8990_!start a bot war
12:29.53dpkgBlootbot is the best bot!
12:30.28jellyabrotman: am I interrupting ALL THESE support conversations?
12:30.36abrotmanyes
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12:31.35jellyah.  Please continue.
12:31.48fireba11would you guys considder removing one HD from a raid1 a reasonable recovery uption if dist-upgrade fails or hickups?
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12:32.18Stereofireba11: no :)
12:32.29jellyfireba11: sure.  If you're going to do that on a regular basis, look into mdadm write-intent bitmap feature
12:32.29Stereofireba11: do a .tar.gz or a lvm snapshot
12:32.33fireba11Stereo: in addition to normal backups of course :-)
12:32.47nevynfireba11: lvm snapshot is easier and more flexible
12:32.59fireba11got no LVM on that box, i would prefer that too :-)
12:33.36jellyplus: makes split mirrors resyncing much faster, minus: code path not well tested? needs extra disk space and is not default
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12:35.56fireba11well i don't expect any serious problems and i got a backup box running the same services that is already upgraded ... :-)
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12:45.34kosmicrunning aptitude
12:45.44kosmicevery package i select there is a warnign saying
12:45.53kosmic"this version of * is from an untrusted source..."
12:46.29abrotmanfor which key?
12:46.36kosmici don't know if i have any keys
12:46.38abrotmandid you update debian-archive-keyring ?
12:46.45kosmici guess i should do that
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12:48.02anddamhi
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12:48.18anddamin 5.0.2 installer is there a cli tool to check network config?
12:48.40anddameth0 should have been configured by dhcp but installer can't reach debian mirror
12:49.08petemcanddam: alt f2 , use wget
12:49.23anddamlol
12:49.29anddamwget is there but ping and ifconfig aren't
12:49.39petemcwget and ip
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12:50.02anddamI don't know ip
12:50.09petemcip link show
12:50.10anddamand install disk has not man page
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12:51.02Evil_CatTheres any debian channel for spanish people '
12:51.05anddamit's only giving ethernet info, not actual IP info
12:51.06petemc!es
12:51.06dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:51.13Evil_Cat:)
12:51.33Evil_Catdpkg thats nice
12:51.33dpkgEvil_Cat: I don't know, could you explain it?
12:51.34Evil_Cat:D
12:51.52Evil_Cati dont thik so
12:51.57NiveusLunadon't you love infobots? XD
12:52.05Evil_Catjaja
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12:52.12mbruins!dpkg testing
12:52.12dpkg[testing] a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>.  See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
12:52.17floh79How do I find out how (which parameters) is a programm compiled in an deb-package?
12:52.27kosmicaptitude search says debian-archive-keyring is already installed
12:52.47floh79It's about avahi-daemon_0.6.23-3lenny1_armel.deb
12:52.47kosmichm
12:52.55anddampetemc: I went with manual network confi
12:52.56anddamconfig
12:52.57kosmicaptitude is not giving the warning message anymore
12:53.11petemcanddam: you can use ip addr show eth0
12:53.12kosmici guess it solved itself by running aptitude update then ;)
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12:53.32anddampetemc: sounds right, that's why it was showing only link info :-)
12:53.48petemci thought you wanted to know link info
12:54.09anddamnay, I neede IP
12:54.12anddamneeded*
12:54.25petemcfantastic then
12:54.30anddamthanks
12:54.39petemcnp
12:55.03NiveusLunadpkg testing faq
12:55.03dpkgfrom memory, testing faq is an _unofficial_ FAQ for the <testing> branch of Debian: http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html .  See also <FAQ>.
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13:06.32mbruinshow can i check if someone has sid or testing installed? because on console i see squeeze/sid
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13:07.05petemcmbruins: look in /etc/apt/sources.list or check the version of libc6
13:07.33Stereombruins: look in /etc/debian_version
13:07.59mbruinspetemc: is says squeeze so i quess its testing
13:07.59abrotmanStereo: won't work
13:08.06mbruinsStereo: than says squeeze/sid too
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13:09.00Stereooh, sid or testing
13:09.13Stereomy mistake
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13:09.39zeroConfanyone any good with amavisd spamassassin etc ? i can see mail going through - but the mail *gtube* is not getting marked as spam, no whitelist or anything else, not even from trusted network....
13:10.15zeroConfi cant even make SA mark the email in any way, only see that amavisd *saw* it, not what amavisd did
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13:11.11AlexC_zeroConf, semi-unrelated, but I have recently moved away from Amavis and SA, just using Postfix greylisting and filtering - works incredibly well and advantage of not having the memory + cpu usage of SA+Amavis
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13:12.11zeroConfalec - tell me more
13:12.13zeroConf:-)
13:12.37AlexC_zeroConf, http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/postfix_restrictions - the guide is for Postfix so nothing related to Centos really
13:12.54AlexC_works very very well and I've had no false positives yet
13:13.08zeroConfthanks ill have a good read
13:13.10zeroConf:-)
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13:23.44magyarhi, trying to "kill -9 aprocess" but it's not working. Is it possible to terminatea process any other way?
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13:24.02petemcmagyar: if the process is in D state, no
13:24.05steinerI'm trying to follow the instructions at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.  But it's been a couple minutes since I zcatted the boot image over and it still hasn't exited.  Is it safe to ctrl-c it?
13:25.14AraneidaeJust starting a USB install, got as far as selecting my network device ... and the screen has gone blank
13:25.40Araneidaesteiner, I'm sure the only thing you'll damage, if anything, is the USV device
13:25.43AraneidaeUSB
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13:26.32AraneidaeI did that step, copied over debian-502a-i386-businesscard.iso and booted ... but I've lost the machine now :(
13:26.50Saz|Laptophow do I get non-latin characters to properly show in my ssh session
13:26.50magyarpetemc: thanks, so only a reboot will do. The odd thing, it's a dump process to a tapedrive but there is no errors on dmesg  nor syslog
13:27.15Saz|LaptopI can view them fine on my terminal, but ssh makes all the characters ???????????.ext
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13:27.47DrakesonI don't even have a /etc/modprobe.d/arch.conf, where do I get one?
13:28.21Drakeson(re bug#525072)
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13:29.53abrotmanSaz|Laptop: depends on both systems, not just yours
13:30.00Drakesonapt-file search /etc/modprobe.d/arch gives me nothing, either. I don't know which package is responsible for the creation of /etc/modprobe.d/arch.conf or /etc/modprobe.d/arch/*
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13:31.37jellyDrakeson: which debian release are you using?
13:31.45Drakesonunstable
13:32.00Drakesontake a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=initramfs-tools
13:32.20Drakesonthis one actually: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=525072
13:32.34jellyDrakeson: why do you think #525072 is relevant?
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13:32.48jellyDrakeson: in other words, can we see your actual problem?
13:32.55alexfrancido u know if there is a way to improve bit correction in DVD filesystem? like implementing Hamming code, i don't know... i would like to make some backups on DVD
13:33.14Drakesonjelly, the actual problem is #525072.
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13:33.25jellyso that's you?
13:34.03Drakesonno. I found it last night right after I tried to upgrade.
13:34.04aaronhey there i have a question i have a compaq  Presario 700 the sound works fine. but when i try to. play a video on youtube there is no sound while playing audacious or xmms can someone help me with this please
13:34.42StCyralexfranci: there's a tools that add error correction codes to your DVD
13:34.47StCyrbut I don't remember the name
13:34.50StCyrhold on
13:35.24alexfranciStCyr, thank you very much
13:35.29Drakesonjelly: do you have /etc/modprobe.d/arch* ? what goes in it?
13:35.32jellyDrakeson: can we see _your_ output of the failing command?
13:35.37AraneidaeHuh.  Think my VGA cable fell out!
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13:36.06jellyDrakeson: part of module-init-tools
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13:37.27jellyDrakeson: at least versions 3.3-pre4-2, 3.7-pre9-1 and probably many in between
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13:37.51Drakesonjelly: I've got 3.10-3
13:38.09Drakesonand it does not create /etc/modprobe.d/arch*
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13:38.16StCyrpfff can't find it back...
13:38.29jellypastebin your output of a failing command, Drakeson
13:38.51Drakesonjelly: it is exactly the same as the first post in #525072.
13:38.55alexfranciStCyr, have u got some hints? for the name, for example
13:39.06alexfranciStCyr, is it a linux application?
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13:39.41jellyDrakeson: including the versions of initramfs-tools and kernels being installed?
13:39.45Drakesonbut they fixed it by moving /etc/modprobe.d/arch.conf to /etc/modprobe.d/arch/i386. I cannot do this because I don't even have that file.
13:39.46StCyr:-)
13:39.52StCyrof course
13:39.58alexfranciStCyr, is it dvdisaster?
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13:40.38StCyralexfranci: yes I think
13:40.57alexfranciStCyr, thank you
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13:43.58steinerI'm trying to install debian from a usb stick.  I copied over "debian-502a-amd64-netinst.iso" per http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 but the Debian Installer can't find the ISO.  What filename should the ISO have in order for the debian installer to find it?
13:44.06SevetDrakeson: try creating it as an empty file - mine only has 4 lines loading the parallel port driver, adding 32bit support (64bit os) and loading the bonding driver (which i doubt you need) so you might not need actually need anything in there
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13:45.44badseriiHi! I have an account with rbash as default shell. Normally, I can't configure it for use with ssh keys, because it can't cd to .ssh. Is there a possibility to look for the authorized_keys file in the home directory? Thank you in advance!
13:48.16stewbadserii: you'd have to be able to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config (which requires root) to have it look somewhere else for authorized_keys
13:48.24DrakesonSevet: last night I created an empty one and did dpkg --configure -a
13:48.35stewbadserii: it sounds like you should just have the admin of the box install keys for you
13:48.38Drakesoncan you paste all what you have in there?
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13:48.53badseriistew: I am the admin, just don't want to let other users to a powerful shell.
13:48.55SevetDrakeson: what was the result? you wouldn't have got the no such file or directory that's on the bug report
13:49.22justinbadserii: why do you think you need to 'cd .ssh' ?
13:49.41DrakesonIt apparently worked, but I am not confident, and I don't dare reboot it in this state
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13:49.51stewbadserii: then you can change AuthorizedKeysFile in sshd_config (man sshd_config)
13:49.54badseriijustin: because, when I do ssh to the box, ssh can't verify the contents of the .ssh folder
13:50.04jake[work]any ideas on an 'hda lost interrupt'?
13:50.06badseriistew: Thank you!
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13:50.14justinbadserii: that verification happens long before rbash has even started
13:50.22stewbadserii: (and if you want, you can do this for only certain user groups)
13:50.22SevetDrakeson: http://debian.pastebin.com/m2a272151
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13:50.56badseriiThank you all!
13:51.03DrakesonSevet: thanks a lot. that saved me :)
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13:51.38Sevetif it apparently worked, it probably did
13:52.16Sevetso try rebooting :)
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13:52.22Sevetif not, booting from the debian cd will give you a rescue mode where you can get a shell in your debian installation to try reconfiguring it
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13:55.31DrakesonSevet: well, I am kinda short on time this week, so rebooting has to wait ...
13:55.36Drakesonthanks :)
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14:01.38AraneidaeWhat does "Standard system" select on the Software selection page during a basic Debian install?
14:01.46iateadonutif i do net install from a 5.0.0 disk, will that be the same as 5.0.2, or should i get a new netinstall disk?
14:02.29AraneidaeI expect the next `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` would bring you up to date
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14:02.34stewiateadonut: the end result will be the same after you've finished the install and run aptitude full-upgrade
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14:02.59themillAraneidae: /msg dpkg tasksel
14:03.18iateadonutthanks.
14:04.58Araneidaethemill, cheers
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14:06.24AraneidaeIs full-upgrade the same as update; upgrade?  Only have ubuntu man pages to hand at the moment, and it's not there...
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14:07.10themillAraneidae: not quite. It's the new name for update then dist-upgrade. /msg dpkg full-upgrade
14:07.20jellyAraneidae: negative, full-upgrade is different from upgrade, and an update is a necessary prequisite step in both cases
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14:07.37AraneidaeI'd better hang onto that knowledge!
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14:08.19themillaptitude safe-upgrade (i.e.upgrade not dist-upgrade) would be enough to update lenny from 5.0.0 to 5.0.2.
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14:08.23harkAraneidae: same as a dist-upgrade
14:08.52raidghostUShare (Is there any package source`s that include libupnp ?)
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14:09.08AraneidaeHuh.  Well, I've always been using plain old upgrade to keep my etch up to date ... until it perished in the lightning on Monday
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14:11.06steinerI'm trying to install debian from a usb stick.  I copied over "debian-502a-amd64-netinst.iso" per http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 but the Debian Installer can't find the ISO.  What filename should the ISO have in order for the debian installer to find it?  I've tried renaming it as the i386 iso and it still can't find it.
14:11.24themillAraneidae: that wouldn't actually be enough to keep etch up to date as the updates to DSA1576 required a dist-upgrade to pick them up. (but in lenny, a normal safe-upgrade would have been ok)
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14:14.21StCyris having fun sending msg to dpkg
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14:14.55abrotmanStCyr: please don't abuse the bot
14:14.57mbruinsStCyr: whats the fun part?
14:15.23abrotmanStCyr: please stop filling the bot with junk
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14:15.27StCyrok ok
14:15.32StCyrit is not junk
14:15.37abrotmanyes, it was
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14:15.53StCyrI'm just following the bot's advice
14:16.00abrotmanstop playing with the bot
14:16.21StCyrsorry I didn't realised I was playuing
14:16.26AraneidaeInteresting: do peoples conversations with the bot have effects elsewhere?
14:16.38mbruinsAraneidae: sure in query
14:16.38AraneidaeSurely only to whoever's watching the logs?
14:16.56abrotmanAraneidae: when you're looking for useful info, you have to wade through the useless
14:17.00mbruinsAraneidae: sorry read youre question wrong
14:17.39themillAraneidae: the bot is like a wiki -- if you alter or add things in it then that affects other people
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14:18.26StCyrI was just learning lots of things about dist-upgrade, full-upgrade, backport.org, pinning,... Sorry
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14:18.37AraneidaeHuh.  In response to tasksel I selected "Print Server" ... but now it's asking me about configuring SAMBA.  I didn't mean that; is it too late to get rid of samba now?
14:18.51justinAraneidae: remove it later
14:19.00AraneidaeAha: the bot is, if anything, too clever!
14:19.23Araneidaejustin, bah.  That's annoying...
14:19.35justinAraneidae: if you say so
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14:19.46AraneidaeWell, only because I was ignorant.  I'll live
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14:21.12AraneidaeI guess going for block package installs was incompatible with my original aspiration for a minimal install -- but I'll let Debian look after itself...
14:21.17abrotmanStCyr: asking the bot for stuff is fine, just please don't add useless junk to it. There's already quite enough, and a few of us have taken time to clean up the bot
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14:23.27AraneidaeThink my poor machine got fried in storms on Monday.  Came home to find ADSL router dead and /home partition unmountable (and un-fsck-able too)
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14:31.19AraneidaeHmm.  I seem to have aqcuired rather a lot of unwanted daemons.  How to get rid of the all?
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14:32.32abrotmansuch as ?
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14:33.00justinAraneidae: uninstall them
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14:34.02AraneidaeYes.  But the problem is to identify all the junk!
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14:34.45AraneidaeRight now, all I know is that the print server was a mistake, and I'm going to have to manually roll some of it back
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14:35.22\amethystAraneidae:  one place to look is /etc/rc2.d/S??*   not everything there starts a daemon, but most do
14:35.52AraneidaeGood hint \amethyst, thanks
14:36.18\amethystAraneidae:  you can disable the startup script by renaming it to start with a K, or you can remove or purge the package it belongs to  (dpkg -S  or  dlocate -S)
14:36.24AraneidaeHmm.  `tasksel --task-packages print-server` doesn't show unexpected stuff
14:36.40\amethystAraneidae:  (dpkg -S or dlocate -S to find out what packages it's part of that is)
14:37.17Araneidaehahaha: it was `tasksel file-server` that's given me the unwanted Windows stuff!
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14:37.43AraneidaeJust `apt-get purge`?
14:38.51Araneidaediscovers sudo isn't in the list of basic packages.
14:38.52Araneidaehmm
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14:41.06AraneidaeWhat does * on packages being removed mean? Not seen that before
14:41.08jpinxAraneidae: aptitude purge - not apt-get
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14:41.23Araneidaeoh
14:41.27jpinx!why aptitude
14:41.27dpkgaptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info.  Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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14:42.06AraneidaeToo late now.  Anything I can do to get aptitude back in the picture?  Already ran `apt-get purge <long list of packages>`
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14:42.50jpinxthat's ok do the same list with aptitude purge
14:42.53Araneidaeaha.  Even though the original packages are gone, aptitude is happy to clean up afterwards
14:42.58jpinxand then use deborphan
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14:43.07AraneidaeVery useful
14:43.22jpinxAraneidae: yes - aptitude is *much* better than apt-get
14:43.32Araneidaedeborphan rings a bell, think I didn't get on with it, but I'll give it another go
14:44.09jpinxAraneidae: you just aptitude install deborphan and then run it
14:44.40AraneidaeI think I was put off by the incomprehensible terminal gui that aptitude gives if you run it by itself
14:45.17jpinxAraneidae: I only use the commandline
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14:45.25jpinxno idea about guis ;)
14:45.38AraneidaeDidn't realise the aptitude command line was so like apt-get!
14:46.05AraneidaeActually, the X-windows gui to aptitude (as on Ubuntu) is rather nice
14:46.54jpinxas even less idea about ubuntu
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14:48.26themilldon't they use synaptic?
14:48.44jpinxI believe so - but it's outside my experience
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14:49.18AraneidaeAh.  Looks like my memory also got scrambled
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14:49.32themilldpkg, confuse Araneidae
14:49.32dpkgYes, those are our weasel today, Araneidae?  Pants of the Republic of Liechtenstein with extra anchovies.
14:49.56AraneidaeExtra anchovies will do nicely, thank you
14:52.21Araneidaewill include /etc in future daily backups
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14:53.55AraneidaeWhere is the global choice of default editor made?  Think I'd prefer vi over nano
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14:54.45jpinxI'm connected by ssh-X but can't get iceweasel to run in the local screen. getting cannot open display: :0 Any ideas anyone?
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14:56.33AraneidaeDo *any* X applications work? xterm or xeyes ?
14:56.57ranixjpinx: doublecheck your /etc/sshd or whatever config to make sure X11 forwarding is enabled?
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14:57.19themilljpinx: iceweasel shouldn't be trying to use :0 though.
14:57.45AraneidaeGood point.
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15:09.51steinerIs there a better way to install debian from a usb stick than http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 ?  I've tried the steps there and it can't seem to find the iso, even though when I go to a shell I can see it sitting in/hd-media.  I've tried an amd64 netinstall iso, a i386 netinstall iso and a mini.iso.  None of which can be found by the installer
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15:10.38AraneidaeOdd.  I successfully used debian-502a-i386-businesscard.iso
15:10.48AraneidaeAbout an hour ago!
15:11.09steinerwhere did you move the iso?  I moved it to the mounted drive as instructed and it cant find it
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15:14.02steinerI: zcatted the boot.img.gz to the unmounted drive, mounted it, copied the iso over to it, unmounted and then rebooted.  I can get to the installer fine but it can't find the iso on the drive.  I haven't tried the businesscard iso (I had been doing just the netinst isos) so I'll be trying that next
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15:14.28AraneidaeSounds like what I did
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15:17.20tosmohi. i need to use a computer at university as proxy for downloading one file. i have ssh access there, but a very limited disk quota, so i need to directly save the file on my harddisk. last time i did this by using sshfs, but i cannot use fuse there anymore (user rights thing). is there any other way to directly redirect the data via ssh to my computer?
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15:18.16ranixtosmo: downloading via http?
15:18.37joltcantosmo: use -D portnumber and use that port number in the proxy setting of your local browser
15:18.41joltcantosmo: ...with ssh
15:18.58ranixhttp://www.debian-administration.org/article/Tunneling_connections_securely_with_SSH
15:19.02joltcantosmo: so ssh will act as a socks proxy and only traffic will pass
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15:19.38joltcanranix: That is good, but -D is better, since its totally dynamic and you dont need a proxy server on the other end
15:19.44tosmoyes, its http. its just that i need an ip from the internal network there
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15:20.38joltcantosmo: yes, thats how it will work
15:20.45ranixah yes, I thought that guide was doing -D because of the subject but I didn't actually read it
15:20.47joltcantosmo: ssh -D 1234 user@machine
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15:21.06joltcantosmo: then set firefox to use a socks proxy, localhost and port 1234
15:21.11joltcanpresto
15:22.09ranixyou could also do it wrong and wget -O - | nc ...
15:22.27ranixthat would be silly
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15:23.22joltcanthere are a whole bunch of silly ways to do it
15:23.44joltcantosmo: http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/12/08/ssh-tunnel-socks-proxy-forwarding-secure-browsing/
15:25.06tosmossh -D does not work. maybe its forbidden on the server side, though i didn't get any error message. how can i test whether its my (browsers) fault?
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15:26.41themilltosmo: if you have to use the proxy, then you need "ssh -L8080:www-proxy.you.edu:8080 remotehost" and use localhost:8080 as your proxy
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15:27.37tosmothemill: it works now. i accidentally configured http instead of socks proxy
15:27.39themilltosmo: and if you have to do this regularly, then defining an alias in ~/.ssh/config with a LocalForward in there is a good plan and something like the "switch proxy" iceweasel add-on can be useful to go with that.
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15:28.18themillahh, ok. So your connection isn't actually forced through a proxy at the other end
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15:33.26steinerIt still can't find the ISO when I try to boot from it.  Am I supposed to be just copying the .iso itself over or the files contained within?  I'm not sure where I'm going wrong here
15:34.43g00sesteiner: make sure you have a bootable one
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15:35.24ChrisWI feel rather n00bish for having to ask this, but if I have a .deb, how do I install it?
15:35.30alex88hi, i'm trying to mount an ntfs partition
15:35.38alex88in fstab i've used this option
15:35.55alex88rw,user
15:35.55g00seChrisW: dpkg -i the.deb
15:36.02ChrisWcool
15:36.13ChrisWand I guess aptitude will just ignore it, right?
15:36.29steinerg00se: It is.  I can boot from it it just can't find the iso
15:36.31alex88with normal user i can mount the partition, but i can't see file inside..it has permission 700..and owner is root
15:36.36g00seChrisW: Yes, you'd be bypassing it
15:36.44themillChrisW: it will be listed by aptitude as "obsolete or locally installed". "aptitude search ~o" will list it.
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15:36.52steinerI even put it on the hard drive and it still cant find it
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15:37.19ChrisWcool, and do I just do the same later if I want to upgrade the package?
15:38.02g00seChrisW: Why aren't you installing with aptitude btw?
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15:38.52ChrisWhttp://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/support/download-squeezecenter.html
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15:41.25AraneidaeI've copied over my local bind config from an earlier etch install .. and it doesn't work properly anymore
15:41.51AraneidaeSorry that's not a very helpful description, but I'm still confused by what it's telling me at the moment...
15:42.09karmehttp://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-017343.htm does not list debian to support hyper threading - probably marketing blah - where do i find the facts? how does the kernel handle hyper threading? anything i should know? (i just did run some benchmark that suggested that my specific workload could not really benefit from the virtual cpus provided by ht)
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15:42.59ranixkarme: debian doesn't support hyperthreading by nature, the linux kernel is what supports it
15:43.03hanibanahi all
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15:43.15karmeranix: yes sure - thats what i meant with marketing blah
15:43.43ranixkarme: do you know how threads work fundamentally?
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15:44.51karmeranix: yes - and i still can remember the basics of hyper threading from "the" computer architecture book
15:44.54ranixhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading
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15:45.14ranixif you want more than these diagrams and explanations you'll have to actually read source code
15:45.16karmeranix: i am more interested on a quick start regarding practical tips
15:45.31ranixkarme: you mean in programming for HT?
15:45.31karmeranix: and experiences
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15:46.17hanibanaI have a powerful server with 20G RAM and Xen 8-core CPU and 4 network interfaces... I want use Xen to split it to four virtual servers. I want to share server network capacity (its 4 NICs) between dom-u servers. is there any thing that should I do in the Xen configuration? or using somehting like bonding in the OS level is enough?
15:46.22AraneidaeI have configured local db.mydomain and db.10.0.0 files.  These used to give me local name lookups, but now my local names won't resolve
15:46.39rdzhi all. i am loooking for a backup-strategy for a server using rsync. i created a backup user, who is only allowed to perform rsync with sudo and can only login per ssh from backup machine. now i realized, that this setup is flawed, since the backup user can also user sudo rsync to overwrite files. is there a way to restrict rsync to read-only somehow?
15:46.58rdzs/user/use
15:47.02karmeranix: no not programing for HT - more like tips running your typical stuff on system with HT
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15:47.35ranixkarme: as I understand, you wouldn't code C or anything higher level than C to take advantage of HT. Threading is as low as you can go - the processor handles certain instructions simultaneously, if doing so utilizes different non-intersecting paths through the execution core
15:47.47alex88no help?
15:47.55hanibanaany clue?
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15:48.08ranixkarme: you might be able to optimize ASM for hyperthreading, but I don't know about that.
15:48.32ranixI would expect a compiler to do a better job at that than me
15:48.44themillrdz: you might like to look at rsnapshot for that. Also "/msg dpkg ssh without password" for some more ideas.
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15:49.14ranixkarme: I suggest just not worrying about HT. It operates outside your field of vision for all purposes
15:49.25justinrdz: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/ssh.html
15:49.26AraneidaeHmm.  Seems my problem is specifically with `host`.
15:49.28themillrdz: You *can* limit what rsync can do by hardcoding the command and options that they key uses, but that can be a fragile solution.
15:49.38Araneidae`host venus` fails, but `ssh venus` works.  What could be causing that?
15:49.41rdzthemill, rsnaphost is based on rsync, isn't it? so you are saying, that rsnaphsot is able to handle that in appropriate way?
15:50.10rdzjustin, thanks for the link
15:50.35karmeranix: well the expectation one is confronted with is that there are twice as much cpus ...
15:50.48themillrdz: no, rsnapshot might save you from reimplementing a lot of bits there. The rootrsync link from dpkg gives you part of a solution; whether you want to go further than that it debatable.
15:51.00rdzthemill, i read about this option. but i need several of those.. besides, that i would find that an ugly solution, would it be possible at all to specify more than one command in authorized keys?
15:51.21AraneidaeWorse.  `ssh venus` fails from another machine trying to use my server as a DNS server
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15:51.51ranixkarme: the only effect it has is making threads execute slightly more efficiently
15:51.54rdzthemill, the idea is to only keep some virtual machines in sync on several host nodes, so i don't need to additional features provided by rsnapshot
15:52.07apostleAre there any other opensource type tools that are comparable to Xilnx tools
15:52.23ranixkarme: a side-effect is that it stops any one process from hamstringing the system.
15:52.42jmarsdenAraneidae: most likely on the host where ssh venus works you have venus in your /etc/hosts file?  ssh will use whatever methods of mane resolution are configured, whereas host should (I think) use only DNS.
15:52.49themillrdz: ahh. So perhaps it would be better to do this by "push" from the master rather than "pull" from the slave?
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15:53.07Araneidaejmarsden, blast, you're right
15:53.15karmereads http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-htl/
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15:53.26rdzthemill, but do i understand right, that once rsnapshot is configured, i have the same problem of the backup user on the server being able to write files.. no?
15:53.30AraneidaeSo, my local DNS lookup is just plain broken
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15:53.39jmarsdenAraneidae: Right.  You have a non-working DNS server.  Use dig and host to debug it, and look in your logs
15:53.51rdzthemill, how is push different than pull in terms of permission problems?
15:53.57AraneidaeIt's working for external lookups
15:54.16themillrdz: that's right -- rsnapshot doesn't solve your permissions problems, it just solves some other issues that you don't seem to have anyway.
15:54.18jmarsdenThen maybe you just ahve a typo in the zone file for the domain containing 'venus'.  Read your logs.
15:54.20AraneidaeI've configured some logging, but I guess not enough yet, because I'm not seeing anything interesting.
15:54.21rdzthemill, but yeah.. my current setup is: backup-host pulls backups from server
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15:55.29karmeranix: so the default kernel scheduler is aware of ht?
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15:56.06themillrdz: you're just reducing who can write files where by using push rather than pull. But I think I probably misunderstood your situation anyway so that might not be such an issue.
15:56.26AraneidaeAh: I seem to be getting this: https://www.isc.org/node/315
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15:57.18rdzthemill, i think, you probably understood my problem: i don't want to backup user to be able to modify the system that it is supposed to backup
15:57.52AraneidaeBut my name.conf.local file *has* the 0.0.10.in-addr.arp zone, type master
15:58.08ranixkarme: I believe 686 and later binary kernels are all HT-aware. It's hard to keep up on - there have been many scheduler improvements in 2.6
15:58.18karmeranix: thanks
15:58.25ranixnot later
15:58.26rdzthemill, the advantage of the pull approach is that the backup machine can be in some private network
15:58.32ranixyou get the gist though
15:59.11themilljudd kconfig X86_HT
15:59.12juddthemill: Searching for 'X86_HT' in lenny kernel config gives X86_HT=y.
15:59.25Araneidaejmarsden, can you give me any more hints?  My configuration looks *identical* to the one that worked on etch
15:59.52izuaright
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15:59.59izuaso i forgot the root passwd on my main system ><
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16:00.13izuawould chrooting to it and then running passwd work,?
16:00.37AppDebizua: yes
16:01.40themillrdz: openvpn to give access for the purposes of the backup? You could limit it down with iptables and sshd config where the only thing that could be done on that vpn was ssh and then the rsync forced-command
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16:02.19rdzthemill, hm..... yeah.. i'll keep thinking about it.. many thanks for your thoughts
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16:03.04themillrdz: yeah... it's non-trivial to do as at some stage you need to have root access to actually pick up all the files that are to be backed up.
16:03.11izuaany.. other way?
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16:03.21izuathe box in question is a pretty old pc with no cdrom
16:03.27themillizua: /msg dpkg ifrp
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16:03.36Speckalhow do I see the list of packages a specific source provides?
16:04.26rdzthemill, yeah... probably this also too paranoid... i didn't find any guide abut setting up rdiff-backup or rsync based backup strategy, that covers this specific problem
16:04.46themillSpeckal: apt-cache showsrc packagename | sed -n "s/Binary: //p"
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16:05.20rdzas long as the backup machine is not flawed, everything is alright... so.. one might say, that you're lost anyway, if your backup machine was hacked
16:05.30Speckalthemill:  sorry, i mean a software source, not source code.  I want to know what pkgs are available on a private repo (PPA)
16:05.45themillrdz: quite true.
16:06.01themillSpeckal: /msg dpkg which repo
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16:06.11AraneidaeHmm.  Has the order in which resolutions occur changed in bind?
16:06.23themillSpeckal: or if you're just curious, look at the Packages file in the repo
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16:06.40AraneidaeLooks as if moving my named.conf.local include *before* the global zones has the desired result!
16:06.54themillSpeckal: (or in /var/lib/apt/lists/ if you've already added it and run aptitude update)
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16:07.37Speckalmy issue is that according to  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/277556  there should be a jaunty pkg for open-vm-tools in the repo given on this page   https://launchpad.net/~grexk/+archive/ubuntu-dev
16:07.38iateadonutwhat's the package to install kde?
16:07.52themilldpkg: tell iateadonut about install kde
16:08.02gNewPowerdoes anybody know of an application which would allow me to find out what the exact URL is for an embedded video stream? thanks!
16:08.03themillSpeckal: sounds like a question you should be asking in #ubuntu not #debian
16:08.04Speckalthemill:  and apt-cache upgrade open-vm-tools denies that the upgrade package exists
16:08.31iateadonutinstall kde4
16:08.34themillSpeckal: and you don't use apt-cache with "upgrade". man apt-cache.
16:08.35Speckalthemill: i know :/   it's hard to get a word in on that channel. too much spam and nonsense
16:08.56Speckaland I did ask there.  twice
16:09.00themillSpeckal: not our problem. And we no *nothing* about some random ubuntu developer's PPA for some random package.
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16:09.21Speckalwow
16:09.23Speckalok
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16:10.02AppDebthemill: you dont respect debuntu users do you? :P
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16:10.33jpinx!ubuntu
16:10.34dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
16:10.56themillThis is #debian. If people here want to help him with what is very clearly an ubuntu problem, they are welcome to /join #ubuntu and do so.
16:11.49qwyethAppdeb, Speckal:  If you have a problem that #ubuntu can't help you with, you may also want to try ##linux
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16:16.43maxagazhow to replicate a ldap from a slave to a master ?
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16:30.15iateadonutwhat package has 'startx' in it?
16:30.47avu!tell iateadonut about search
16:30.50adb<PROTECTED>
16:32.18maxagazwhere is located the ldap database in openldap ?
16:32.52iateadonutthanks.
16:32.57avumaxagaz, /var/lib/ldap
16:32.58adbdpkg -L openldap
16:32.58dpkgii  openldap                 1.7-12.1           adb's private porn collection
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16:33.22maxagazavu, which name ?
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16:33.43avumaxagaz, all of the files in there
16:33.59demonathis may be redirectably to #xorg but i figured id check here first
16:34.02maxagazavu, you mean the bdb files ?
16:34.16avumaxagaz, no I mean all the files in there.
16:34.26demonapardon my french, but how the FUCK are you supposed to set your resolution in X when 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' no longer does anytthing related to resolution?
16:34.51demonaand i have to say the new 'smart, friendly, configless xorg' is annoying the piss out of me in that respect.
16:34.53themilldpkg: tell demona about configure xorg
16:35.15maxagazdemona, your french ?
16:35.21rdzdpkg: tell rdz about configure xorg
16:35.23stackdpkg: tell stack about configure xorg
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16:35.40themilldpkg, tell everyone about msg the bot
16:36.04demonafun, because i currently don't have a desktop environment, or X at all and thus no xrandr... so lets see if the -configure thing works, but i think i did that last night in a semi-sleep haze and that didnt work either...brb
16:36.08ragsagari was trying to configure my pinnacle bt878 tvtuner card, i loaded modules tuner, bttv, bt878 etc, but there was no /dev/video0 node. After a reboot i got the video node and i was able to watch tv using tvtime, but there was no sound
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16:36.11ragsagarbut after a reboot when i tried to watch tv again, iam getting a error that '/dev/video0' no such file or directory
16:36.37ragsagari found a contradiction in my lspci output
16:37.38demonayeah, i did that last night. wonderful.
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16:38.07ragsagarAt the time i got /dev/video0 node , lspci output had two lines Brooktree Corporation bt878 video capture and Brooktree Corporation bt878 Audio
16:38.21demonaX -configure, then X -config with the new config file, just results in the same resolution/etc being passed to the monitor that it CANT HANDLE.
16:38.34demonagod save me from software that tries to think for me
16:38.41themilldemona: perhaps read the bit that dpkg said about editing the file
16:38.42demonai came to linux to get away from that.
16:38.48ragsagarbut now instead of bt878 Audio iam getting "Fujitsu Microelectronics Ltd. Device 036e"
16:38.57themilldemona: alternatively, get non-broken hardware
16:39.45demonai thought the idea behind linux was that it worked with more stuff.
16:40.10demonawont waste your time or mine any more, though
16:40.11themilldemona: it does. Edit the xorg.conf file and it will.
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16:47.54sybaritenhi
16:47.57sybariteni'm a debian noob
16:48.08ranixhi noob
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16:48.12sybariteni would like to try to run it off USB, live, on a Vaio laptop
16:48.51sybaritenfor some testing purposes... i was plannig on using unetbootin on windows to do this. good/bad idea? I have the choice of Stable_NetInstall , unstablemnetinstall, and testing_netinstall
16:49.26sybaritenor is ubuntu and others generallly more tolerant to exotic hardware?
16:49.30ranixyou can check out debian-live to see if they have a usb environ
16:49.30gravitysybariten: Try debian-live
16:49.41ranixgenerally a liveCD is easier to handle
16:49.57ranixsybariten: if you haven't started using Ubuntu yet, now's a good time to not use it
16:50.03ranix!dfsg
16:50.03dpkgdfsg is, like, the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
16:50.08sybaritenranix, gravity: oh ok its just that this tool is made just for taking a distro and making a live version on USB of it... but.. ok
16:50.15NicoOOoOoBonsoir all, journée de rentré des classes, la premiere pour le mien, trop marrant :)
16:50.17sybaritenranix: hahahaha
16:50.27sybariteni already have actually... server for years...
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16:50.46sybaritenNicoOOoOo: felicitations alors
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16:55.15gravitysybariten: They provide a live CD image. They may well provide a USB image as well.
16:55.23gravitysybariten: If you want to customize it you can though
16:55.31antixoghhi i'm having a problem with my samba shares between two debian systems. so both systems have users root and antixogh,from pc1 i automount pc2 shares using root, all works fine.
16:55.39antixoghwhen i try to move a file from pc1 to pc2 root becomes the owner, so then i chmod and chown of said file, and when i check the file permissions it says owner, 1001 group 1001, other blank. and i can't change the permissions. (i can from the console on pc2)
16:56.12antixoghwhat should i check?
17:00.22phluxhow can I take a bunch of files that contain the word "teh" and change "teh" to "the" in all of them simultaneously?
17:01.04fxinynope , the f* movie
17:01.06fxinyoops
17:01.39fxinyteh ? you asked the same the other day
17:02.45phluxI'm not literally changing 'teh' to 'the'
17:02.52phluxit's just for example purposes
17:03.03antixoghhttp://www.unix.com/unix-dummies-questions-answers/79822-find-replace-portion-file-names.html might help
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17:03.18simonrvnphlux: you can use sed or rpl - rpl is less finagling with for loops
17:03.19amphiphlux: sed
17:03.33Hui_Nanups
17:03.51Hui_Nanhi all
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17:04.10Hui_NanI'm an op from wenet's debian channel
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17:04.17Hui_Nangot here by mistake
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17:04.51Titan8990_you mean there is irc outside of freenode?? *gasp*
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17:05.21Hui_Nanyep, consider it as a parrallel universe
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17:05.48mudddI cannot find an example of why/how a class e IP address would be used experimentally
17:05.48Hui_Nandoes anyone know that in September 2009 it is 40 years since Unics OS was first released
17:05.49Hui_Nan?
17:05.55mudddanyone know?
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17:07.07Titan8990_muddd, http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1166.html
17:07.10Titan8990_that might help
17:07.31mudddthank you i will check it out
17:08.02ajavidTitan8990_, did you see my yay!
17:08.06ajavid\o/
17:08.39ajavidScreen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 3840 x 1080, maximum 3840 x 1080 <- screen maximizing is a problem with KDE window manager
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17:08.53Hui_Nanthere's a graph at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history-simple.en.svg
17:09.00ajavid3.5.10 Kwin has a bug where it maximizes apps on both monitors
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17:09.19ajavid3.5.9 doesn't have this bug... so dual head is great success
17:09.20Titan8990_are they seperate desktops?
17:09.22ajavidno
17:09.24Titan8990_ah
17:09.26Hui_Nansearching Internet gives the most precise date of september 1969
17:09.28ajavid1 giant buffer
17:09.32ajavidTitan8990_, did you get my messages?
17:09.44antixoghi just read that article last night and saw the same graph
17:09.45ajavid06:20 <             ajavid> Titan8990, http://picpaste.com/kde35.png <- I made 'em my bitch.
17:09.50Titan8990_ajavid, no, probably sitting on my account at home
17:10.02ajavidahh
17:10.06ajavidyou have a tail
17:10.10Titan8990_ajavid, need to change it but Titan8990_ is usually me and work and i can't view home stuff
17:10.11Hui_Nanthus I have no idea of when the celebration sould take place
17:10.17ajavidI see
17:10.22Titan8990_really, i just need to make a log bot so i don't need to stay logged in at home
17:10.28ajavidTitan8990_, well here is the link to the screnshot :)
17:10.41ajavidTitan8990_, channel is logged
17:10.46ajavidTitan8990_, you need a hilight catcher
17:10.49ajavidTitan8990_, /topic
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17:11.34Titan8990_ajavid, yeah, but debian is one of a couple of my regular channels, usually #remote-exploit is the chan i find myself parsing logs for
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17:11.40ajavidTitan8990_, i make a window refnum2 immortal and send my hilights there and have it save to log
17:12.04ajavidTitan8990_, 1 is status. 3 is debian, and so forth
17:12.45ajavidit is also sticky split, so it stays on top. I've run my router ssh on a high odd port
17:12.47at0m1 status, 2 msgs, 3 hilight,...21 crap
17:12.53Titan8990_ajavid, well, i have some code that was a python twisted-words log bot that i modified to actually work
17:12.53ajavidI login to my router, and then ssh to any of my boxes at home
17:13.02Titan8990_ajavid, i would just need to wrap it in init script
17:13.14ajavidTitan8990_, they don't allow you to ssh out of work?
17:13.18*** part/#debian surlyjake (n=jacob@exchange.hwlochner.com)
17:13.34ajavidsetup ajax term maybe? use irssi through there?
17:13.39ajavidweb based I mean
17:13.44ranixI just open 22 to my home server
17:14.09fxinyajavid: high odd port like 31337 ? :P
17:14.13Titan8990_ajavid, i can but i don't have the home net setup, i was just using openvpn to get on my local net but I haven't configured my new firewall to allow it yet
17:14.17ajavidfxiny, thats right :)
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17:14.27ajavidahh
17:14.32Titan8990_ajavid, i have a VPS i can always ssh to
17:14.43ranixmy home network is like the taj mahal of computing
17:14.46ajavidok, so run irssi there in screen and just connect to it from work
17:14.49AraneidaeIs there an easy way to change a user id?
17:14.57ajavidbut... I mean at home stuff
17:15.03AraneidaeI forgot to say --id when I created it
17:15.11Titan8990_ajavid, yeah, i know a few that do that
17:15.12ajavideven when I'm at work (when I used to work) I'd login to my house to use irssi
17:15.24ranixthat's what I do now
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17:15.52ranixI don't like using unencrypted oscar and irc from a multiple-user network
17:16.01ranixrather tunnel to the network where I'm the only user
17:16.36Dryantaeh
17:16.39Dryantalrn2ssl
17:16.43at0mfrom work, i could only use mibbit =]
17:16.49Titan8990_concerned about encyption but no cloak....
17:16.54ranixthere's no good ssl AIM, Dryanta
17:17.00Titan8990_at0m, same when i was in school
17:17.13Titan8990_ranix, i think that google XMPP is via tls
17:17.14Dryantai thought you were talking irc
17:17.35ranixirc is secondary, it's public via its nature
17:17.41at0mISP blocks any port <1024, no java webclients allowed at work, and no ssl on !=443.  and recently freenode kicked mibbit out, so bye bye freenode =]
17:17.51ranixas long as work doesn't know I'm here to hassle me about it, that's enough security
17:18.08Dryantalol
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17:18.21Dryantai do what i want, im the sysadmin bofh they all have grown to love and fear
17:18.47ranixI'm the sysdamin too, but I don't want to have to explain what #debian is for to a rogue manager
17:19.14Titan8990_at0m, would be bye bye ISP for me
17:19.28ranixat0m: do you pay for that kind of treatment?
17:19.28Dryantao, well i have one person above me and they kno i irc
17:19.29at0mTitan8990_: there is no alternative
17:19.40at0mTitan8990_: or would you move country eh
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17:19.44Dryantaat0m: 3rd world country? lol
17:19.48Titan8990_at0m, personally, yes\
17:19.52ranixprobably southwest USA lol
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17:20.09at0mwestern EU here
17:20.13ranixwe have similar infrastructure problems to the third world
17:20.19Titan8990_there are satelite companies that cover all 50 states, and don't impose those types of restrictions
17:21.02ranixTitan8990_: "
17:21.11ranixTitan8990_: "all 50 states" is a pretty hole-filled claim
17:21.27ranix"sorry, we don't service that street" is a comment you can get used to hearing in the USA
17:21.55ranixmany ISPs only service the convenient parts
17:22.25maligoreu atleast has the infrastructure share law, but not sure what it has to do with debian ;P
17:22.40maligorfor dsl and such
17:22.51mbruinshello, normally i open my pdf's with xpdf. but now im wondering is there someway to open them wih iceweasel/firefox?
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17:23.24ajavidmbruins, ye
17:23.32ajavid!tell mbruins -about dmm
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17:23.40xeon-enoufmbruins: acroread
17:23.47ajavidmbruins, package called mozilla-acroread
17:24.09xeon-enoufmbruins: but you can tell IW to open PDFs with whatever app you want
17:24.16ajaviduses kpdf
17:24.28ajavidIW/ff automatically load it in it
17:24.30xeon-enoufwhichsucks ass
17:24.33ajavidyou suck ass
17:24.39xeon-enouf:-p
17:24.41ajavid:D
17:24.54xeon-enoufonly really nice female ones, indeed
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17:25.05ajavidnya
17:25.17mbruinsthanks for all the awnsers
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17:25.21mbruinsxeon-enouf: whats IW?
17:25.25xeon-enoufstops ... before this gets out of hand
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17:25.40fxinyice willy
17:25.41xeon-enoufmbruins: IceWeasel and FF == FireFox
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17:26.02xeon-enoufmbruins: usually i say IW/FF
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17:26.20maligoracroread is just one huge security hole
17:26.32xeon-enouf!be fxiny barbie
17:26.32dpkgBut fxiny is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry*
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17:26.42xeon-enouf:-p
17:26.53xeon-enoufmbruins: yeah, right
17:27.00xeon-enouferm maligor
17:27.02sebas891hi folks, apt is stuck with this error (la liste des fichiers pour le paquet « libgdbm3 » contient un nom de fichier vide E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2))
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17:27.13justinsebas891: english
17:27.15sebas891libgdm3 contains an empty file...
17:27.15ajavidHey help me find a debian-able bluetooth module for my pc
17:27.23ajavidwhats fully supported in debian
17:27.24ajavid?
17:27.24xeon-enoufeverything is a security hole, even the holes in your head
17:27.25LeM`no
17:27.40ajavidjustin, french locale
17:27.49themillmbruins: mozplugger is apparently able to open xpdf inside iceweasel if you want it to. (never done this myself though)
17:27.50maligorxeon-enouf, atleast most software aren't written by adobe ;)
17:27.55ajavidsebas891, pastebin full error
17:27.59xeon-enoufajavid: ? bluez-utils
17:28.02ajavidsebas891, that tells us nothing. Also try #debian-fr
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17:28.06ajavid!fr
17:28.06dpkgPour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net.  French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
17:28.37ajavidthemill, it does not work as intended. I have experience with it and have NEVER been able to make it work (mozplugger)
17:28.43xeon-enoufmaligor: people seem to have no issue with their 'flash' crap ...
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17:29.12themillajavid: I've heard others say it works very nicely.... but as I said, I've never used it.
17:29.17maligorxeon-enouf, well, I'm pretty scared of it, since it's also written by adobe
17:29.30maligorI'd use swfdec or gnash but they're still not quite ready
17:29.38ajavidadobe!
17:29.46fxinyatrope
17:29.54themillpoints towards #debian-offtopic
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17:30.04xeon-enoufwow - you leave IW/FF alone for a few hours and voila!~ .. your system becomes slow as shit
17:30.13ajavidno it doesnt.
17:30.14kardan|hi, can somebody tell what the problem with fastcgi is? the description of fcgi says: It is a binary compatibility alternative to Apache module mod_fastcgi. mod_fcgid has a new process management strategy, which concentrates on reducing the number of fastcgi server, and kick out the corrupt fastcgi server as soon as possible.
17:30.22sebas891ajavid: ok, I will try de debian-fr channel,
17:30.30maligorxeon-enouf, low memory machine?
17:30.34xeon-enoufmaligor: nope
17:30.48ajavidxeon-enouf, how much ram?
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17:30.52ajavidxeon-enouf, which ff version?
17:30.56fxinyxeon-enouf: never happened to me , and i have cron opening tons of tabs
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17:30.57ajavidxeon-enouf, it does memory leaks you know
17:31.00maligorI've moved to using 64bit chromium myself, it works better
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17:31.21ajaviduses firefox nightly amd64 shirtoko build
17:31.23xeon-enoufajavid: i was trying to switch from one DE instance to another, to pull up another mrxvt to search the kernel modules for BT ones for - and now .. i'm not
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17:31.38ajaviduh ok
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17:32.04ajavidxeon-enouf, aptitude install irssi-scripts
17:32.12ajavidxeon-enouf, /script load sysinfoplug
17:32.14ajavidxeon-enouf, /sysinfo
17:32.16xeon-enoufo m g .. all of a sudden, i've got 250M swap ... wtf4x! .. fxiny !!! save me! ;-)
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17:32.38ajavidI'm on 8gb box with the core2 e6300 atm
17:32.40ajavidHost 'ajavid-desktop', running Linux 2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 - Cpu0: Intel 3010 MHz Cpu1: Intel 3010 MHz; Up: 6:23; Users: 2; Load: 0.04; Free: [Mem: 6745/8006 Mio] [Swap: 0/0 Mio] [/: 23237/30035 Mio] [/home/ajavid: 149404/938899 Mio]; Vpenis: 543.3 cm;
17:32.57ajavidfirefox has NEVER given me a memory issue.... ever.
17:33.04ajavidif it has, I never noticed it
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17:33.08datacrusheriv just downloaded opera10.deb from opera site, i choose it to open with gdebi, but it instantly closes after openning gdebi... downloaded again to check if wasnt a file problem, still have the issue. how do i install the .deb package by hand?
17:33.17ajavidxeon-enouf, my other box has 3.8ghz quad core and 16gb ram
17:33.35ajavidxeon-enouf, I use firefox on it too, never a problem with memory... 3-5 days one firefox instance
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17:33.48fxinyxeon-enouf: run xmonad + xmobar :)
17:33.50divdpkg -i opera10.deb
17:33.50dpkgpackage opera10.deb is already installed
17:34.04xeon-enouf<PROTECTED>
17:34.08div"dpkg -i opera10.deb"
17:34.09xeon-enoufunbelievable
17:34.25xeon-enouffxiny: i'll use links2 -g thanks ;-)
17:34.47ajaviddatacrusher, don't do that
17:34.57ajaviddatacrusher, enable the respository in soruces list and aptitude install opera
17:35.11ajaviddatacrusher, get the repository from opera's website or find one on google, I'm sure there is one
17:35.19datacrusherah ok
17:35.23datacrusherthanks
17:35.24ajavidnp
17:35.38adbdiv, opera is not supported here , so stop it
17:35.44ajavid!opera
17:35.44dpkgOpera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail.  Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source.  It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian.  To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see http://wiki.debian.org/Opera .  http://www.opera.com/support/  #opera on irc.opera.com.
17:36.16ajavidsome people here might go as far as telling yo how to install it, but apart from that, we don't and can' support it
17:36.42xeon-enoufMio?
17:36.44xeon-enoufMo?
17:36.44fxinyxeon-enouf: 3 torrents running , 9 mrxvt tabs , irssi , xmms2 , firebug some ten tabs . this  is xmonad bill : Mem: 224168 219896 4272
17:36.47ajavidMi
17:36.48ajavidB
17:36.48xeon-enoufor Moe!
17:36.52ajavidmen in black
17:36.57ajavidmibs
17:37.04xeon-enoufMen in orange
17:37.12fxinycheap fares in xmonad-land :P
17:37.13ajavidi think script has a tpyo
17:37.20xeon-enouffix it!
17:37.22ajavidit is probably MiB
17:37.51karmekardan|: i am interested, too
17:38.02ajavidxeon-enouf, did you see my desktop real estate
17:38.13ajavidxeon-enouf, http://picpaste.com/kde35.png
17:38.17fxinyxeon-enouf: we know ajavid runs kde on a > 8G ram box ;)
17:38.27ajavidand a 16 gb box
17:38.29karmekardan|: (i am using libapache2-mod-fastcgi myself)
17:38.30ajaviddon't forget my new box
17:38.39ajavidI just spent a buncha money :)
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17:38.49fxinya new one ?
17:38.56ajavidthat 16gb box has a 3.8quad core 2 booya
17:38.58ajavidyeah
17:38.58themillwonders if it's possible that #debian will return to debian user support any time soon
17:39.08adbdpkg, ajavid less noise , may  be appreciate , use a large sentences
17:39.08dpkgi haven't a clue, adb
17:39.20ajavidadb, ok
17:39.23ajavidthemill, good idea
17:39.25fxinylemme get mine , and i'll take a walk down memory lane ...
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17:39.47kardan|karme, so we are two now :)  i sent an email to the maintainer, maybe the best thing I can do is to wait. (and get sympa running ..)
17:39.48fxinyxeon-enouf: ;)
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17:41.35xeon-enouffxiny: fxiny ajavid  http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m61f3b6f
17:42.47ajavidbozomatic?
17:42.50ajavidseriously.
17:43.20xeon-enoufyes, i deal with bozos everyday
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17:43.27eshatHi all
17:43.30xeon-enoufand you are proof
17:43.34xeon-enouf:-P
17:43.43ajavidxeon-enouf, please refrain from namecalling
17:43.51xeon-enoufajavid: yes hon :-P
17:43.55ajavidooh burn.
17:44.23xeon-enoufajavid: would you care to test/use the app i ran?
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17:44.36eshatI want to install debian sid from a USB device, can someone help me with the usb stick, I simply want to use the installer... or maybe there is an easier way to install from a running distro instead of debootstrap?
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17:44.46ajavideshat, no we can't
17:44.47xeon-enoufajavid: http://koltsoff.com/pub/meminfo/releases/meminfo-1.0.2.tar.gz
17:44.56ajavideshat, we will not do such a thing
17:44.56eshatajavid: great answer, thanks
17:45.08justinajavid: wtf?
17:45.08ajavideshat, you should have first looked at the debian install guide
17:45.10fxinyxeon-enouf: openbox ?
17:45.18xeon-enouffxiny: indeed ;-)
17:45.19eshatajavid: what if I did
17:45.24ajavideshat, also, directly sid installation is not supported
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17:45.29xeon-enoufeshat: um, what's wrong with debootstrap?
17:45.41ajavideshat, if you read the stable install guide you'll see it
17:45.56xeon-enoufindeed, Sid direct will fail 19 out of 20 times
17:45.56ajavideshat, afa stable/testing go, you can debootstrap, or netboot
17:46.02ajavid!sid faq
17:46.02dpkghttp://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror); it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/squeeze... http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html
17:46.04ajavideshat, ^^
17:46.07eshatxeon-enouf: there are too many things to remember after installing the base system, like timezone, fstab, kernel,... the installer did everything automaticlly
17:46.18xeon-enoufeshat: intstall testing then upgrade, if you really need to
17:46.25ajavideshat, I would use the netboot or the hd-media installer
17:46.28xeon-enouf!fai
17:46.28dpkgan automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
17:46.29eshatajavid: it is possible to install sid directly,... please inform your self on the debian install guide page
17:46.40ajavideshat, yes, but its not fucking supported here
17:46.41xeon-enouf!preseed
17:46.41dpkgfrom memory, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation,  or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed  Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the installation process, without having to manually enter the answers while the installation is running.
17:46.43ajavidhow thick are you?
17:46.43eshatajavid: you just have to choose the expert installation
17:46.48ajavidyes i am aware.
17:46.56ajavidwe dont' support sid for peopel who have to ask about how to isntall it.
17:46.57xeon-enoufeshat: no, there are B U G S
17:46.58ajavidcapice?
17:46.59themilleshat: ver frequently, it is not actually possible to complete the installation however
17:47.07fxinyajavid: thick as a brick :P
17:47.22xeon-enouf!tullsmite fxiny
17:47.34ajavidand you don't need expert mode, which is priority low, a medium priority will do fine for debconf
17:47.35fxinyxeon-enouf: :=)
17:47.51ajavidand it still allows to install sid directly via the installer
17:48.28themilldpkg: tell eshat about install sid
17:48.35xeon-enoufajavid: you missed one; and got one wrong - businesscard.iso allows it, but not whenit's broken
17:48.36ajavidbut... like I said, stick to testing if anything, and get whatever odd package you want from sid
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17:48.53ajavidxeon-enouf, huh?
17:49.00xeon-enoufyes, huh
17:49.08ajavidallows what?
17:49.14xeon-enoufsid direct
17:49.16ajavidok
17:49.17ajavidso?
17:49.30xeon-enoufnm
17:49.44eshatokay, easier question, is there a good official list, what basic config has to been done after debootstrap ?
17:50.04ajavideshat, tons of articles on various debian specific sites
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17:50.15ajavideshat, that is if you find the install guide not good enough.
17:50.21xeon-enoufeshat: you want to test the breadth of knowledge of 2 superior debian users, 1 DD, and some others?
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17:50.45xeon-enoufeshat: see the installation guide
17:50.48ajavidthemill, is a dd?
17:50.59eshat!dd
17:51.00dpkgsomebody said dd was a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd
17:51.02xeon-enoufajavid: who knows. but might as well be
17:51.11ajavid!themill++
17:51.12fxinyxeon-enouf: others being all garlic eaters lurking ?
17:51.24xeon-enoufloves garlic!!
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17:51.37xeon-enoufis also a vampire  :-P
17:51.47ajavidxeon-enouf, a bit too off topiccy
17:51.51ajavidxeon-enouf, heads up
17:52.01xeon-enouffxiny: froufrou lingerie ftw ;-)
17:52.10xeon-enoufyes - sorry
17:52.10fxinyheh
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17:52.18yaaarhowdy
17:52.22ajavidfxiny, just go to #debian-chat and bug enough  there :)
17:52.31ajavidgo make out and get a room there
17:52.44fxinyajavid: i bet is one of your channels :P
17:52.53ajavidnope.
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17:53.26ajavidfxiny, its one of freenode's channels that I happen to be in
17:53.29ajavidfxiny, ;)
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17:53.45xeon-enoufguys - ease up .. really .. me too
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17:54.49yaaaryou guys know why 'apt-get install openssh-server' wants to bring X11 in? This is a headless server....I don't want/need X
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17:55.12yaaar(oh, sorry. this is a brand-new install of lenny on amd64)
17:55.21ajavidyaaar, it shouldn't
17:55.23karmeyaaar: it wants to bring xauth in - i think
17:55.23ajaviduhm
17:55.32ajaviddue to that, probably x11-common
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17:55.37karmeyaaar: for x11 forwarding
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17:55.39ajavidor xbase-clients for ssh  over X
17:55.44ajavidyeah, xbase-clients
17:55.48ajavidits not full xorg, you are alright
17:55.59ajavidgo ahead with the install, in fact aptitude install ssh
17:56.00yaaaroic
17:56.02ajaviddon't use apt-get anymore either
17:56.06ajavid!tell yaaar -about why aptitude
17:56.08yaaarwhy not?
17:56.11yaaaroh thanks
17:56.13fxinyyaaar: X11forwarding ?
17:56.13yaaarbeat me to it
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17:57.19yaaarnifty. i'll do some reading on aptitude
17:57.29xeon-enoufyaaar: are you aware of Recommends being installed as default? though IINM., openssh does the X thing cause of clients
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17:58.16ajavidRecommends: xauth, openssh-blacklist-extra
17:58.18xeon-enoufajavid: er .. wut? "aptitude install ssh" == poop .. try openssh*
17:58.29ajavidyaaar, you can try aptitude -R install openssh-server
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17:58.42xeon-enoufajavid: "< ajavid> don't use apt-get anymore either"  WUT!?
17:58.44ajavidDepends: openssh-client, openssh-server
17:58.50ajavidxeon-enouf, apt-cache show ssh
17:58.56xeon-enoufajavid: try? no, that WILL stop recommends
17:59.02xeon-enoufajavid: no
17:59.05ajavidhuh?
17:59.13ajavidwhat are you on about?
17:59.48ajavidI promote and advocate aptitude over apt-get. I don't you think you should have a problem with tht
17:59.52xeon-enoufajavid: ok - great - so there's ANOTHER fucken metapackage that never used to exist- wonderful;
17:59.54ajavidunless you have valid reasons you can present
17:59.54Titan8990_ajavid, i had to run off, never did see that screen shot
18:00.01xeon-enoufajavid: i do
18:00.04yaaarwow....aptitude why ...that's awful neat
18:00.05ajavidTitan8990_, lookit now :)
18:00.07Titan8990_!why aptitude
18:00.07dpkgaptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info.  Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
18:00.10ajavidTitan8990_, http://picpaste.com/kde35.png
18:00.18xeon-enoufajavid: nothing is wrong with apt-get you asshat
18:00.24sebas891hi folks, I now have the error message in English :) http://paste.debian.net/45633/ any idea on how to solve this problem?
18:00.25ajavidxeon-enouf, you're wrong with apt-get
18:00.26ajavid:)
18:00.35xeon-enoufajavid: nothing is wrong with MIXING apt-get and aptitude
18:00.36yaaaroh, and i meant the command 'aptitude why' ...not the stuff the bot's saying
18:00.40xeon-enoufno i am not
18:00.40ajavidwhat!
18:00.41justinapt-get can remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
18:00.42ajavidWHAT!
18:00.46ajavidareyou fucking serous?
18:00.52ajaviddon't promnote that shit here man
18:00.56xeon-enouftry aptitude source
18:00.58ajaviddo NOT fucking mix apt-get with aptitude.
18:01.00xeon-enoufhahahaha
18:01.06ajavidseriously... wtf.
18:01.13xeon-enoufajavid: nothing wrong withit, since Lenny, IINM
18:01.30ajavidok.
18:01.30xeon-enoufajavid: read BTS once in a while, eh?
18:01.41Titan8990_ajavid, looks nice except for the iceweasel, i couldn't handle that many toolbars
18:01.47xeon-enoufdpkg: install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges ajavid
18:01.47dpkgxeon-enouf: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
18:01.56ajavidTitan8990_, thats why I use littlefox
18:01.57xeon-enoufhe certainly hasn't
18:02.09Titan8990_apt-get has uses but in general aptitude should be used
18:02.19ajavidyes I use list changes and listbugs on ... hang the fuck on
18:02.32ajavidI WAS the one who told you about those two a few year ago when i was in new york
18:02.38xeon-enoufohwait .. am i typing too fast? lmFao
18:02.42ajavidnow yu're telling ME to install list changes and listbugs
18:02.46ajavidyou got some nerve bro
18:02.47ajavid:)
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18:03.12xeon-enoufjudd versions apt
18:03.13juddxeon-enouf: apt -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1 etch-security: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1 lenny: 0.7.20.2 lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1 squeeze-security: 0.7.20.2+squeeze1 squeeze: 0.7.22.2 sid: 0.7.23.1
18:03.26xeon-enoufLenny == 0.7.20.2
18:03.38xeon-enoufread the F** changelogs!
18:03.56goozbachhere's one my google fu can't find an answer for...
18:04.05ajavidgoozbach, alright, test us
18:04.10ajavidwhat you got
18:04.12goozbachI want to partition two different hard drives using a preseed
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18:04.13xeon-enoufgoozbach: please, i'm sick of ajavid
18:04.15xeon-enouf:-)
18:04.24ajavid:(
18:04.28goozbachmy current setup only does one
18:04.31ajavidxeon-enouf, a bit too cheeky today are we
18:04.33ajavidxeon-enouf, relax.
18:04.53goozbachhttp://gist.github.com/180363
18:04.54xeon-enouftakes a few quaaludes
18:04.58ajavidgoozbach, I've never attempted to preseed with paritioning
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18:05.04goozbachthat's my paste of what I've tried
18:05.05ajavidI've always had pre paritioned setups
18:05.21goozbachI've tried changing the order multiple ways
18:05.26ajavidhm
18:05.34goozbachI have two 80G drives
18:05.41xeon-enoufgoozbach: try to put all the info inone posting, not 20, each, with 5-10 words
18:06.03ajavidI ignore
18:06.11goozbachand end up with one / partion of approx 72G and 8G swap, but the second drive stays bare
18:06.12ajavid01:06    2 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS
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18:06.34ajavidso my irc is clean but most other people see joins/parts/modes/quits etc. etc. too much traffic, so try one long line with many thoughts.
18:06.41Titan8990_goozbach, what if you used lvm to make them a single pv?
18:06.50xeon-enoufgoozbach: your issue seems to be with the way preseeding handles libparted/partman
18:06.55ajavidTitan8990_, I dont' think that will do anything
18:07.01ajavidfor him I mean
18:07.04goozbachTitan8990_: I can't/don't want to use LVM
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18:08.00Titan8990_ajavid, i know nothing about what you all are talking about, but problem with software only effecting one drive I had the idea to make two drives appear as one... just me being bored on lunch break
18:08.18xeon-enoufgoozbach: ihave no idea which preseeding file/installer you're using ; please send an email to debian-boot<..at..>lists<dot>debian.org
18:08.18ajaviddecent idea
18:08.24ajavidbut useless in this case
18:08.25ajavid:)
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18:09.07frag4nowhi all
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18:09.30ajavidhm
18:09.36ajavidhi
18:09.38ajavidI mean
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18:09.55ajavidfrag4now, classic doom by any chance?
18:09.57xeon-enoufgoozbach: might want to take a look at both #debian-live and /msg dpkg debian.exe (depends)
18:10.01ajavidis always looking to frag someone
18:10.06frag4nowwhy when i type: "dhcpcd eth0" my router gives me an ip address (i.e. 192.168.0.4) but when i run "ifconfig eth0" it show me another ip address?
18:10.19frag4nowajavid: sorry, what?
18:10.20xeon-enoufajavid: slow down with the ENTER .. please ? ;-)
18:10.29frag4nowdoom...hmmm i prefer quake ;)
18:10.41Titan8990_ajavid, i recently got cedega so I could get back to fragging and still leave windows behind :)
18:10.52xeon-enouffrag4now: what addresas? a 169.254.x.x ?
18:10.55ajavidTitan8990_, 3d accel in vm, dx9 full
18:11.10Titan8990_ajavid, really? using what vm software?
18:11.11ajavidTitan8990_, no need for cedega, but cedega can't run games with memory patches, mods, dll hacks
18:11.15ajavidcedega is useless
18:11.17ajavidTitan8990_, vmware server
18:11.23ajavidTitan8990_, and a cpu with hw accel
18:11.31frag4nowxeon-enouf: no a fixed ip address that i set up...in some config file...i do not remember now
18:11.33frag4now:P
18:11.44ajavidTitan8990_, afaik, vmwae 6.5.x can do it too
18:11.46Titan8990_ajavid, it wasn't for me, because tf2 was the reason I bought it and gained a very considerable performance increase from WINE
18:11.49ajavidTitan8990_, depending on your hardware
18:11.58frag4nowanyway i can surf and ping everything...but it's....weird
18:12.01ajavidTitan8990_, I don't game apart from Oblivion
18:12.04ajavidTitan8990_, #debian-chat
18:12.11ajavidI don't want to go offtopic :)
18:12.21xeon-enouffrag4now: you want to run; /etc/init.d/networking restart ; dhcpcd-bin eth0 ; route add default gw 192.168.x.x
18:12.45xeon-enouffrag4now: go find it
18:12.59frag4nowxeon-enouf: ok thank you very much
18:13.08frag4nowi'll do it...
18:13.17xeon-enouffrag4now: /msg dpkg interfaces
18:13.24xeon-enouffrag4now: /msg dpkg resolv.conf
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18:13.38xeon-enouf(the latter for DNS - name servers)
18:14.05xeon-enouffrag4now: check dmesg |tail for mesaages
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18:15.26xeon-enouffrag4now: 'route' and 'arp' command should display immediately, if they don't, powercycle your router
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18:18.11xeon-enoufso .. a vmwarez instance frag4now ?
18:18.33xeon-enoufls /sys/class/net frag4now
18:18.48ajavidjudd versions openarena-data
18:18.48juddajavid: openarena-data -- lenny: 0.7.7-1 sid: 0.7.7-1 experimental: 0.8.1-1 sid: 0.8.1-2 squeeze: 0.8.1-2
18:18.53ajavidjudd versions openarena
18:18.54juddajavid: openarena -- etch-backports: 0.7.6-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.7.7+dfsg1-1 sid: 0.8.1-5 squeeze: 0.8.1-5
18:19.02ajavidhm
18:19.21ajavidOpenArena v0.8.1
18:19.27ajavidok, I had checked last month, it was outdated
18:19.35decoderis there a way to install debian kernel + initrd and modules under a non-debian system?
18:19.40ajavidits fine now, matches with upstream, more than a montha ctually
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18:19.53xeon-enoufdecoder: yes, debootstrap
18:20.03decoderany docu where I can read about that?
18:20.14xeon-enouf!debootstrap
18:20.14dpkgdebootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg.  Useful for installing in a <chroot>.  It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.  Be aware that debootstrap can't include packages involving non-required Pre-Depends (e.g. `--include=linux-image-686' will fail), see #487908 in the <BTS>.  http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap
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18:20.30decoderaah cool thx
18:20.50decoderwonderful, that should be perfect
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18:23.52goozbachxeon-enouf: I sent an email to debian-boot, I'll wait and see what they have to say.
18:24.10k]t: is there a way to bind my insert key to be used as "paste-from-clipboard"
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18:27.35xeon-enoufgoozbach: good job .. thanks
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18:29.49xeon-enoufk]t: press Shift along with Insert ;-)
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18:31.05k]txeon-enouf: thanks, someone is bash just clarified that for me as well as with an xclip script
18:31.12k]thttp://www.bash-hackers.org/wiki/doku.php/snipplets/xclip
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18:32.03gigowhen I connect my seagate, usb hard disk, I get this error: Cannot get volume.fstype.alternative.
18:32.07gigoplease help me in resolving this.
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18:32.30ixHmm... Is there any way to run a command if a line is printed to a specific file?
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18:32.54xeon-enouf~$ lshal | grep volume.fstype.alternative yields nothing , but
18:32.57ixAn arbitary line, that is -- The content does not matter.
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18:33.09xeon-enouf~$ lshal | grep volume.fstype | xargs
18:33.09xeon-enoufvolume.fstype = udf (string) volume.fstype = reiserfs (string) volume.fstype = swap (string)
18:33.09fxinyk]t: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/565
18:33.09ixs/arbitary/arbitrary/
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18:33.53xeon-enoufix: see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/581
18:33.58llutzix maybe inotify does
18:34.00xeon-enoufhaha
18:34.05xeon-enouffxiny: !!!!
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18:34.26k]tfxiny: thanks
18:34.37ixxeon-enouf: Looks like a perfect match, thanks.
18:34.54ixNow, is there any way to make my Xorg screen flash? :-p
18:35.09ixlike a visual bell, except for X
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18:35.32xeon-enoufix: punch the monitor hard a few times  :-p
18:36.04dutchfishix, i did that once buy changes desktop wallpapers rapidly (script)
18:36.10fxinyk]t: np
18:36.10ixHaha, how can I combine that with incron? :-D
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18:36.31fxinyxeon-enouf: on the rocks ;)
18:36.33ixdutchfish: Ah. Doesn't work when I see nothing of the desktop, though.
18:36.47dutchfishix, what about desktop colors? ;)
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18:37.38ixMaybe I should have something like a popup.
18:38.11xeon-enoufkonsole offers a visual bell, but no idea how/why it works; i KILL all bells  (sounds and visuals)
18:38.16dutchfishix, there is already a non-presistent-popup package for that in debian
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18:38.35dutchfishs/presitent/persistent
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18:38.57fxinyix: xmessage ?
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18:39.14xeon-enouf!dutchfish++
18:39.19xeon-enouffor spelling
18:39.38dutchfish!coffee xeon-enouf
18:39.39dpkgdecants a fine mug of hippy-blend International Roast Caterers Blend for xeon-enouf, courtesy of dutchfish
18:39.46ixfxiny: Yeah, something like that, only that I need it to attract a lot more attention. :)
18:40.30xeon-enoufdutchfish: don't you DARE let some weenie tell you you're not conveying your english translated thoughts properly
18:40.40fxinyix: dunno what you are doing , i use osd_cat all the time
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18:41.16fxinyix: xmesage grabs the mouse pointer
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18:41.29xeon-enoufoooo ... Hippy Blend ... sings about "Flowers in her hair ... i love the flower girl"
18:41.30fxinydon't like it too much
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18:42.19xeon-enoufhow about Ventura Highway fxiny ?
18:42.29fxinyxeon-enouf: heh
18:42.53cantomais there a way of turning of the computer speaker without by software?
18:42.53ixfxiny: having a look at aosd-cat now
18:43.09cantomawithout removing it*
18:43.29xeon-enoufcantoma: yes \
18:43.33xeon-enouf!bell
18:43.33dpkgTo disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console.  For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions.  In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell.  In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module.  Also ask me about <shell beep>.
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18:44.17ixfxiny: exactly what I was looking for, thanks :)
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18:44.55fxinyix: got the idea time ago , from the same place : debian-admionistration++
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18:45.23ixanalyzed the UDP packages from his office IP-phone to determine when it's ringing
18:45.32ixnow has on screen ring notification :-)
18:45.42cantomaxeon-enouf, thanks it works
18:45.42ix\o/
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18:46.23mudddo nm
18:46.25fxinyix: nice one
18:46.52xeon-enouf\\o//  <== alien :-P
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18:47.07xeon-enoufor .. octopussy O_o
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18:47.29pistache_Hello. Why do I get this :
18:47.30pistache_r27514:/usr/src/build/linux-2.6.29.6# mkinitramfs -o /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29.6-xxxx-std-ipv4-64
18:47.34pistache_Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64
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18:47.40xeon-enouf(looks more like scorpian ding)
18:47.50pistache_Oh shit I'm stupid.
18:47.54Titan8990_pistache_, because you don't have that file
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18:48.25pistache_Titan8990_: the real question was why "2.6.27" with "2.6.29" in the kernel. But I forgot the 2nd argument, and mkinitramfs took my actual kernel version.
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18:48.32pistache_Anyway I know it now
18:48.33xeon-enouf.27 vs .29 heh
18:48.35pistache_Thanks anyway
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18:49.43xeon-enoufif you used make-kpkg you can use update-initramfs
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18:50.23pistache_I didn't xeon-enouf
18:50.42sebas891folks, the content of the file /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgdbm3.list     is  a script ( #!/bin/sh -e ) ? I don't understand how it got  there. http://paste.debian.net/45649/
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18:51.06pistache_And if you look well, you well see that I was overwriting my kernel image with my initrd.
18:51.13pistache_Need a cup of cofee tonight
18:51.14pistache_:p
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18:52.00fxinysebas891: NC ? wt4x !
18:52.11sebas891fxiny: ?
18:52.15sebas891NC ?
18:52.24sebas891wt4x ?
18:52.36fxinyis installing netcat
18:52.58fxinysebas891: "what the xxxx"
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18:54.53dutchfishsebas891, it is not in squeeze package which is 1.8.3-6 fyi
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18:57.05magyar_what is the diff with debian running as a guest on centos vmware hypervisor and debian running on the physical server?
18:57.19dutchfishsebas891, as far as i can search not in any package within squeeze repo
18:57.37magyar_which is a preferd method?
18:57.46xeon-enoufmagyar_: hypervisor trumps all
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18:57.58magyar_xeon-enouf, hmm?
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18:58.21xeon-enoufmagyar_: kernel == ring0 usually, HV == ring-1
18:58.49magyar_xeon-enouf, what about in english?
18:58.57xeon-enoufpreferred? for what?
18:59.23magyar_xeon-enouf, as a server for a web service
18:59.35magyar_with heavy IO
18:59.45sebas891dutchfish: it's on lenny.
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18:59.55xeon-enoufnaps ... /me shakes his cane at ajavid and fxiny as he passes out for the afternoon siesta
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19:01.02dutchfishsebas891, 1. this isnt prolly in lenny either 2. if this machine is connected to the outside and you didnt put it there run rkunter and th elike 3. check if you maybe installed non-debian packages
19:01.06xeon-enoufmagyar_: last thought - /msg dpkg kvm
19:01.40fxinywonders if the cane retaliates biting enouf
19:02.36dutchfishmagyar_, have you investigated other vm systems as well?
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19:03.53dutchfishmagyar_, is you disk load read or write load?
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19:04.47magyar_dutchfish, mostly read
19:05.51dutchfishmagyar_, and your disk backend local or other?
19:05.51magyar_dutchfish, i know nothing about hypervisor, hosting company offers centos with hypervisor
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19:05.51magyar_i usually run debian direct as a host
19:05.54magyar_dutchfish, local
19:06.00dutchfishmagyar_, well, i need mor einfo for i can give any advise
19:06.19magyar_dutchfish, what type of info?
19:06.36ViperaHi. I've just upgraded a server from etch to lenny. The upgrade broke ldap but I've managed to fix it,but now aptitude tries to configure slapd each time I upgrade which is quite anoying. Is there a way of telling aptitude to NOT try to configure slapd?
19:06.55abrotmanVipera: dpkg --configure -a .. let it finish
19:07.03fxinythe new RHEL kvm stuff ?
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19:07.38magyar_dutchfish, is centos host and wmvare hyper a better performance to debian or just running debian on the server as the main os?
19:07.48dutchfishmagyar_, the are a lot of things that comes into play, rule of thumb: heavy read i/o then xen would be my first vm of choice when it comes to installing stable Debian
19:08.04Viperaabrotman: it just sais that slapd is broken or not fully installed
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19:08.34yaaarhey guys, does aptitude not have a replacement for 'apt-get source <pkg>' ??
19:09.24dutchfishmagyar_, it doesnt matter that much wich is the dom-0's distro, but what does mather is what version of kernel, what is the underlying disk-raid-system and how is the cpu-slicing being devided etc
19:10.20abrotmanVipera: it should say more than that
19:10.26magyar_dutchfish, raid 10 intel quad-core xeon
19:10.28dutchfishmagyar_, and how is the ram committed to the vm's
19:11.09Viperaabrotman: well we didnt run -a we tryed to just do slapd
19:11.09dutchfishmagyar_, thats i meaningless unless you know how many other vm's are on the box
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19:12.41dutchfishmagyar_, the right q would be how many cycles my vm always will get nomather  how much the box is stressed and how many are shared
19:13.45dutchfishmagyar_, if all the perimeter vars are the same, xen would win on disk read i/o
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19:14.03magyar_dutchfish, what is i install debian as then main os? Isn't it better than running a virtual debian?
19:14.15ranixdefine better?
19:14.26dutchfishmagyar_, of course, but less flexible
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19:14.47magyar_dutchfish, less flexible?
19:15.00maligormagyar_, depends what you want to achieve
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19:15.15wildc4rd_evening all
19:15.26magyar_maligor, i webserver
19:15.28caraconanHi. Can someone remind me the command to free disk space (cache of apt...)
19:15.30abrotmanVipera: dpkg --configure -a .. put all of the output in a pastebin
19:15.31magyar_s/i/a
19:15.36abrotmancaraconan: df -h
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19:15.50dutchfishmagyar_, there is always overhead for the hypervisor or any virtualisation technic, with flexibilitie i mean things like HA mode, moving on the fly to another box in case of hardware failure etc
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19:16.07caraconan<abrotman> This command show the space, not to free space
19:16.10harkcaraconan: aptitude clean or autoclean
19:16.12caraconanI want to free space
19:16.29abrotmanit does show free space .. that's what the Avail column is
19:16.32magyar_dutchfish, what if i just have two system in HA mode (physical)
19:16.33maligormagyar_, for a hosting service virtual would make sense
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19:16.39caraconanI did it, but I remember another way to clean more space... something like clean... I don't know
19:16.52dutchfishmagyar_, how you gone sync them?
19:17.05MiciahHello.  I'm trying to rebuild qemu-kvm on an amd64 system with `DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip,noopt apt-get --build source qemu-kvm`.  It gets to the binary package qemu-arm-static and dpkg-gencontrol complains that qemu-arm-static does not support amd64.  How can I tell apt-get not to build binary packages that it cannot build instead of failing?
19:17.09magyar_dutchfish, linux-ha
19:17.31magyar_dutchfish, how would you sync the vms?
19:17.41dutchfishmagyar_, there are tehnics to do that, but i would prefer the ease of vm system
19:18.11magyar_how do you HA a vm system?
19:18.13dutchfishmagyar_, not, i would connect those 2 machines to the same backend
19:18.26magyar_if  the main server fails it's game over
19:18.40dutchfishnope not with for instance xen and HA
19:19.32dutchfishmagyar_, my last line on this; delv einto the fine manuals, there is a lot more to know about this subject, this is offtopic in here
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19:19.45crwebhow do i find out why a package is still in unstable?
19:19.46dutchfishmagyar_, good luck
19:20.52magyar_dutchfish, thanks, any good RTFM on this subject?
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19:21.55dutchfishmagyar_, start out with www.xensource.com & http://wiki.debian.org/KVM
19:22.52harkcrweb: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl
19:23.05magyar_dutchfish, much obliged
19:23.12dutchfishmag_mor, yw
19:23.50themillcrweb: /msg dpkg why is foopackage not in testing
19:24.14abrotmancaraconan: oh, clean up .. aptitude clean
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19:25.35atomikuCan I create a swapfile without having to fdisk my hdd?
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19:25.50atomikuI tried to make a 1GB swap file, then mkswap, then swapon - but I get swapon: swapfile: swapon failed: Operation not permitted
19:26.00atomikuSo perhaps it looks like I may have to create a swap partition?
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19:28.46karmeatomiku: you must be root for swapon
19:28.50atomikuyeah
19:28.52atomikuI'm sure I am
19:28.56karmeatomiku: dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=4096 count=10 && mkswap ./swapfile && swapon ./swapfile && cat /proc/swaps
19:28.57atomikuoh
19:28.59atomikutwo seconds
19:29.08atomikuyes, I'm root
19:29.17atomikui'm creating it in /opt/
19:29.18atomikushould I not?
19:29.51atomikukarme: alright, what dir should I be, when running those commands?
19:30.11karmeatomiku: doesn't really matter
19:30.43atomikukarme: http://trollbin.org/714
19:30.44karmeatomiku: would be a good idea to make the file read/write for root only
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19:30.47atomikustrange, huh?
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19:30.51atomikuI chmod 600'd it
19:31.36abrotmanatomiku: what are the perms on /opt/ .. ls -ld /opt/ and what are the mount options ?
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19:31.51atomikuabrotman: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-09-03 19:15 /opt/
19:31.52abrotmanatomiku: what does swapon -a say ?
19:32.24atomikuabrotman: swapon: /dev/xvdb: open failed: Permission denied
19:32.27atomikuheh
19:32.29atomikuxbdb eh
19:33.15atomikubearing in mind i'm in a VPS
19:33.21chriswaterguyI'm looking for the nm-applet package - it's not in the Lenny repository?
19:33.34harkatomiku: that's your answer then
19:33.42chriswaterguy(actually using MEPIS but it uses Debian repositories)
19:33.43atomikuuh.. damn?
19:33.53atomikuhark: I thought I'd still be able to create a swap file...
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19:34.23atomikuahh, I see
19:34.56atomikuI think I'm on OpenVZ, not Xen VPS
19:34.57atomikubugger it.
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19:35.26mudddbuggered!
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19:37.19atomikuwell, i put in a support ticket
19:37.32atomikuI don't think OpenVZ will handle it, though
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19:37.37atomikuThey should be using Xen ;x
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19:38.18chriswaterguyany idea where to find nm-applet?
19:38.36harkchriswaterguy: /msg dpkg apt-file
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19:38.58stuzenWill 'ifconfig' tell me whether or not a computer has a wireless card?
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19:39.09harkno
19:39.21asgstuzen: iwconfig will
19:39.27chriswaterguyhark: is that a line command?
19:39.37chriswaterguygot an error
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19:40.07SeitoHi! Maybe someone knows here how to download sources from repository using debmirror? With my currient config downloads binaries and sources together.
19:40.12amphichriswaterguy: lspci is better  -iwconfig will only tell if you have a card with a working driver
19:40.34stuzenThanks
19:41.24harkchriswaterguy: no, type it here. dpkg is a bot
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19:43.40Seito?
19:44.02chriswaterguyhark: ah - finally noticed the private window from dpkg :-) Thanks.
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19:44.41chriswaterguyamphi: how does lspci help me? confused. trying to install nm-applete
19:44.47chriswaterguyoops. nm-applet
19:45.34g00seI sometimes get bizarre errors and the cause is that /tmp is unwritable. What gives?
19:46.12justing00se: ls -ld /tmp
19:46.31Seitoguys! anynone knows how to use debmirror for downloading sources only?
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19:46.42chriswaterguyhark: I can install apt-file, but does it do something I can't do by searching in synaptic?
19:46.56justinchriswaterguy: search files?
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19:48.19chriswaterguyjustin: which files? I can search for packages in synaptic by name and description keyword.
19:48.28g00sejustin: I've changed it manually now - too late for that
19:48.46abrotmanchriswaterguy: apt-file searches by the contents of the package .. not the title/description
19:48.57amphichriswaterguy: sorry, it was a misfire
19:49.05justinchriswaterguy: how about you use synaptic to show you what the package description for apt-file is?
19:49.42jairhello guys.  I am trying to look where should I start with this thread.  I have a server IBM xseries 3850m2 with four (six cores) cpus for a total of 24 cores. and 256GB of memory, 150GB disk.  and try to install debian lenny 64bit Netinst. 5.0.2 and it failed.
19:49.59abrotmanjair: need more info
19:50.05abrotmanas in .. failed where
19:50.21jairI downloaded the netinst image from kmuto-san and also failed, it can see the multiple network adapters but get also an error
19:50.41jairok, let's start with the netinst stable 5.0.2
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19:50.59workPragmatist1where is I guess your user fingerprint (public) key stored on debian?
19:51.02chriswaterguyabrotman: so it would be searching within the code? (bear with me, I'm a semi-newbie and not a coder)
19:51.08abrotman!apt-file
19:51.08dpkghmm... apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file).  You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate>
19:51.08workPragmatist1I don't have a .ssh dir in my /home/user/
19:51.25justinworkPragmatist1: then you've never used ssh
19:51.45workPragmatist1justin: i'm sshed into it?
19:51.52workPragmatist1using said user
19:51.53justinworkPragmatist1: the ssh client
19:52.03abrotmanssh out, not in
19:52.08workPragmatist1justin: oh ok
19:52.17jair1. when it boot the installer I can see the boot splash and the option to go with graphical or "stardard text base install" I select that one and when the cd is loading I get a lot of lines with errors counting 200. 201. 202. blah blah all the way to the bottom.
19:52.19justini suggest you use ssh-copy-id
19:52.21workPragmatist1well... i need the fingerprint that is provided by the thing i'm connecting to?
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19:52.43jairabrotman: I can try to run the installation and send you a picture
19:52.52chriswaterguyjustin: I did that. Anyway, worth a try to install it I guess.
19:52.54KiloBravoEightwhats a ncurses based volume control ?
19:53.04jairabrotman: that wil make troubleshooting simpler
19:53.10justinKiloBravoEight: alsamixer, aumix
19:53.13cahootKiloBravoEight: alsamixer
19:53.14abrotmanjair: and the kmuto installer ?
19:53.16KiloBravoEightthank you
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19:57.27JPTmy usb digital camera has been "stopped" after this line in dmesg: "sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=0x04 driverbyte=0x00". can somebody tell me what this line wants to tell me? :)
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19:58.00AkuwHi
19:58.38Akuwi want to install Debian Lenny using LVM, so i can use 2 1TB disk but see both disk like 2TB logic disk
19:59.12justinAkuw: i hope your data isn't important
19:59.55Akuwwhy?
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20:00.08justinyou want to make a 2TB raid0 array?
20:00.11JPTvirtual raid0 is very sensitive..
20:00.14asgAkuw: if you lose one disk, all your data is lost
20:00.56Akuwi need it for backup
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20:01.23Akuwwhat is the best option?
20:01.35mudddraid1?
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20:02.02Arrowmasteror many drives in a raid6
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20:02.56mudddaaahhhhhhh
20:03.09abrotmanArrowmaster: raid6 is double parity
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20:03.53Arrowmasteri know, thats a 7 drive raid6 array with 1 hotspare on a 8drive 3ware card
20:04.20JPTwell..if you have money, you'll choose the one that's most efficient, safe and fast
20:04.21JPT:-D
20:04.40Arrowmasteryeah i spent a good savings on that
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20:05.38JPThm..i have got a theoretical raid1...
20:05.45JPTone disk at use the whole time..
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20:05.57JPTone disk has most important data...lying around idle
20:06.15JPTand when i've got time, i sync them
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20:07.58justinArrowmaster: just think, you can get the same storage for $700
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20:20.19VasisthaI'm looking for a command-line utility that can connect to an smtp server and send several emails. Recommendations?
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20:20.48ranixVasistha: sendmail, exim4-daemon-light, postfix
20:21.29Vasistharanix: thanks! I've been looking at exim4... trying to figure out how on earth to make it do what I want :)  Nice to know I'm on the right track though -- that is -- it ought to be able to do what I need.
20:23.09themillVasistha: mutt?
20:23.12abrotmanVasistha: cat ?
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20:23.34phlux`telnet? :P
20:23.35Vasisthaah, more recommendations! thanks, guys... maybe those will be easier than exim
20:24.07asgnc > telnet
20:24.17justinVasistha: exim is a mail server, not an mta
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20:24.25justiner
20:24.56justins/mta/mua/ :)
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20:25.35justincalling /usr/sbin/sendmail usually works, but it's not very user friendly, especially if you need to do something like send attachments
20:25.36maligorVasistha, no, they aren't, but you're looking at the wrong product
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20:27.15maligoryou just want a smtp client
20:27.33Vasisthamaligor: well... that is why I am in here asking. I usually use kmail to send mail, but I'd like to find a way to do it through the command line, so I can send to a list.
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20:28.05themillVasistha: kmail (kaddressbook) supports distribution lists
20:29.12VasisthaI would love to use a proper list server, but my boss has ruled that out for the time being, due to some politics within the organization -- so I need to send individual emails to about 100 people.
20:29.29justinVasistha: BCC?
20:30.04Vasisthajustin: no-- I need to send 100 individual emails, so each person receives it with only their address in the To: field
20:30.22Rienzillascript it
20:30.42Rienzillaecho "content" | mail -s subject user@host.domain
20:30.42Arrowmastersome clients or servers can do that from you just putting them all in the BCC
20:31.18VasisthaRienzilla: thank you! I guess I will check out the "mail" utility as well
20:31.34justinthat will not work out well for you
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20:35.08Vasisthajustin: may I ask, why not?
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20:35.24justinVasistha: your better off using a program designed for sending out bulk email
20:35.43Vasisthajustin: such as...
20:35.56NekawAanyone know offhand what package 'svn' comes in?  for some reason mine's missing
20:36.03justinNekawA: subversion?
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20:36.33justinVasistha: mailman?
20:36.45NekawAjustin: yea
20:37.00Rienzillapfff
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20:37.06Rienzillajustin: this will work just fine.
20:37.21justindepends how you define "just fine"
20:37.35Rienzillait will deliver a mail to 100 people without any problem
20:37.48Vasisthaalright, thanks everyone for your recommendations, I'm sure I'll find something that works.
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20:39.23themillVasistha: if you want to be bizarre.... kmail -s "important announcement" --body "you're fired" them@your.company ; C=$(dcop kmail | grep 0x | tail -n 1); dcop kmail $C send 0
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20:43.29apostledoes anybody know of an opensource mrp system for linux
20:43.36Rienzillamrp?
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20:45.00abrotmanapostle: mrp?
20:45.06Evil_Catrpm ?
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20:45.23apostleMaterial Requirements Planning
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20:45.47apostlewe need one for my work and I want to get them to use an opensource one on a linux server running debian
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20:46.26abrotmanlike .. "I'm building a box, I need 10 sheets of cardboard" ?
20:46.36djahandarieIs there any way to "trick" aptitude into thinking that I have a specific package when I don't?
20:46.50themill!wayttd djahandarie
20:46.50dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, djahandarie?
20:46.50djahandarieSpecifically httpd, where I've compiled my own
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20:47.07djahandarieAnother package I'm trying to get has httpd as a dep
20:47.31abrotmanapostle: can't vouch for any, but http://freshmeat.net/search?q=mrp&submit=Search
20:47.36themilldjahandarie: the best approach is to rebuild the dpkg package: /msg dpkg package recompile. You could also investigate "equivs".
20:47.37djahandarieAnd I don't want it to get the dep from the package manager since I already have it compiled on the system manually
20:47.40djahandarieHm
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20:48.45djahandariethemill, I'm not entirely sure what recompile does
20:48.56djahandarieAll I want it to pretend that I have a specific package when I don't really
20:48.57apostleabrotman,  thanks for the link
20:49.09djahandarieSo the dependency resolves when I'm installing another package
20:49.30themilldjahandarie: what did you manually compile? (and why?)
20:49.46djahandariethemill, lighttpd, because I made changes to the source
20:49.55djahandariethemill, and cacti wants an httpd
20:50.05themilldjahandarie: right -- so why not recompile the debian package for lighttpd?
20:50.13themilldpkg: tell djahandarie about package recompile
20:50.23djahandarieI already read the PM.... doesn't really explain what it does
20:50.56abrotmanapostle: good luck .. hopefully one of the projects is sitll alive
20:50.58djahandarieDoes it let me change the source in the deb and then compile it based off that?
20:51.11themilldjahandarie: yes. that's the point
20:51.19djahandarieHm.
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20:56.41mogunusI'm confused: I have a usb flash drive formatted VFAT. I have created a directory, "usbflash" in my /media directory. As root, I can run mount -t vfat /dev/sdc, and I can borwse files etc on the drive. The permissions on the directory, however, are "write all." As soon as I mount the filesystem, it becomes writable only by root.
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20:57.05mogunusAnd I can't use chmod to alter the permissions so my user can write to the flash drive.
20:57.59Arrowmastermogunus: vfat doesnt have file permissions, you can use mount options to make everything on the drive owned by a certain user when you mount it
20:58.15Arrowmaster-o uid=NAME,gid=GROUP i think
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20:58.32mogunusArrowmaster: aha, thanks very much.
20:58.34Arrowmasterjust put it right after the -t vfat
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20:59.57xeon-enoufmogunus: chown user:user /mnt/point ; put uid=xxxx,gid=xxxx in fstab, then mount /mnt/point
21:00.37xeon-enoufso /mnt/point == /media/usbflash for you
21:00.47mogunusnods
21:00.58Arrowmasteryou dont need to chown the mount point, it will change when you mount the drive
21:01.21xeon-enoufyes you do
21:01.42Arrowmasterwell you dont if your not using fstab
21:01.56xeon-enoufArrowmaster: do you have any vfat drives, partitions?
21:02.00Arrowmasteryes
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21:02.14Arrowmasteri have a usbflash drive mounted on my laptop right now
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21:02.49xeon-enoufso do i, and i'm telling you, in order for mount /mnt/point to just work[tm], you do what i said - i use no DE helpers, nor automounters though
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21:03.32Arrowmasteri mounted using sudo mount -t vfat -o=uid=arrow,gid=arrow
21:03.52xeon-enoufi don't need sudo, nor root
21:04.07Arrowmasterits not in fstab
21:04.21xeon-enoufand, as i said, my mount command is simpler
21:04.31xeon-enoufmy entries are
21:04.36xeon-enoufjust noauto
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21:07.51fmrplop zol_ :)
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21:08.44Dannny!get it right
21:08.44dpkgget it right is, like, my line
21:09.03Dannny!get it right
21:09.03dpkgget it right is, like, my line
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21:15.30sladiHello, is there a way to restrict the available bandwidth for certain applications or better ensure that internet-radio isn't affected by a download for example. I only found Trickle. Can a firewall do this please?
21:15.34chromehey kids, anyone have any ideas why dig +trace would stop working?
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21:17.51karmesladi: traffic shaping
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21:21.33sladikarme: I never did that. Can I prioritize mplayer for example so that a download from Iceweasel doesn't interrupt a radio-stream with traffic shaping? Is this Qos?
21:22.05karmesladi: well qos and traffic shaping are related
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21:22.38karmesladi: it isn't trvial and the docu in that area is quite bad - but yes it works
21:22.56sladikarme: Thanks a lot. :)
21:23.11karmesladi: the tool for that is tc
21:23.28karmesladi: maybe in combination with iptables
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21:23.47karmesladi: i use iptables for the classification
21:24.37karmesladi: by default linux uses a queue disc which uses the dos / dscp packet field
21:25.11karmesladi: => for a limited form of priorization you can simply set those packet fields with iptables
21:25.35sladikarme: Thanks! I'll look into this then. :)
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21:26.02karme~/limited/very limited/
21:26.36sladiWell I'll try and see. :)
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21:27.03Arrowmasterkarme: any way of using something like that to assist my routers QoS?
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21:27.29karmeArrowmaster: obsiously depends on the router
21:27.41karme~s/obsiously/obviously
21:27.43Arrowmasterwrt54gl running tomato firmware
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21:28.00karmeArrowmaster: if i remember correctly it uses tc itself
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21:28.24colofnatureahoy... i've disabled motd by touching .hushlogin, but i'd still like to see the last login time - where is this info stored?
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21:29.58karmeArrowmaster: the real problem always is that you have to be the bottleneck to successfully shape traffic up and downstream (you typically will loose some bandwidth)
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21:31.10Arrowmasteryeah i know its not really possible to effective traffic shape the downstream from a router connected to a cable modem but you have full control of the upstream
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21:31.43karmeArrowmaster: if you are the bottleneck shaping tcp downstream in fact works quite well
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21:32.35dondelelcaroArrowmaster: it can kind of work; you just have to work to eliminate the queue at the ISP
21:33.13karmeecn is also of help there
21:33.58Arrowmasteryeah all you can really do is try to tell the different sources to slow down, you cant effect the order of stuff in the queue like you can with the upstream
21:34.19karmeArrowmaster: you slow them down until there is enough free space
21:34.40karmeArrowmaster: using ecn you even don't have to retransmit to signal the slow down
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21:35.32karmeunfortunately if you use nat and also want shape the traffic to your router you are forced to use the imq kernel patch ...
21:35.39VasisthaRienzilla: thanks! got mailx working. And thanks to everyone else too.
21:36.08colofnaturewhere does debian store the time i last logged in?
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21:36.36Dannny!football
21:36.36dpkgsomebody said football was the greatest sport in the world and it's primarily played in the USA, or gay, or retarded, and useless
21:36.39karmeanother option applicable if you have a host in the internet is to use a vpn and shape on both ends ...
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21:42.25karmecolofnature: man last
21:43.16humbolthow to best move an lvm setup from one machine to the other over the network! I can not move the disks, just make them available on the other system over the network via nfs, iscsi or such.
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21:44.15colofnaturekarme: that's exactly what i was looking for, thank you
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21:45.00_KaszpiR_humbolt read about lvm and snapshots
21:45.43unitypunkhey..
21:45.55unitypunkis the default proftpd.conf blank?
21:46.21humbolt_KaszpiR_: what are you suggesting, to make snapshots of the systems, then tar the snapshots, copy the tars over, create the LVs on the other side, then untar the snapshots?
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21:46.37humbolt_KaszpiR_: looking for a shorter way
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21:48.44humbolt_KaszpiR_: like adding the new PV to the old servers VG via iscsi, then telling LVM to remove the old PV and by that way moving over all data, including the LVM metadata to the new system
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21:49.12colofnaturebtw, is there any disadvantage to having lvm partitions being non-contiguous? if i have a logical partition in two real partitions on on 2 separate drives, is there any advantage in backing up the whole monty and consolidating them to one contiguous expanse?
21:49.58Titan8990colofnature, when a pv contains partition on two seperate discs, it works similar to raid 0
21:50.14Titan8990colofnature, so loss of one drive == loss of all data
21:50.16humboltcan I do a dd via ssh?
21:50.26Titan8990humbolt, you can do anything via ssh
21:50.31unitypunkyeah..
21:50.34unitypunkanytihng.
21:50.38Titan8990humbolt, as if you were physically in front of the console
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21:50.46unitypunkssh is the sshit.
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21:50.48humboltI mean, can I do a dd from a local to a remote disk?
21:51.13gregor2005i have a softwareraid1 with one damaged drive
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21:51.24gregor2005i removed it from the raid and now the device switched to read-only
21:51.34gregor2005when i switch to readwrite it switched back seconds later
21:51.54Titan8990gregor2005, your not trying to replace the drive?
21:52.07unitypunki still need help locating my proftpd.conf..
21:52.13gregor2005sry in my timezone its 23:52
21:52.19Titan8990doesn't understand... its know to be broken and contain the exact same data as a good drive... why are you trying to mount it?
21:52.23gregor2005so i can't get a new drive in the next 9 hours
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21:52.48Titan8990gregor2005, alright, so just continue to run in a degraded mode until you can get a spare
21:52.49gregor2005what can i do that the md is still in readwrite mode?
21:52.55unitypunkits not in /etc/ or /usr/local/etc/
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21:53.23_KaszpiR_gregor2005 just run in degraded array till you get new disk
21:53.26Titan8990!tell unitypunk about apt-file
21:53.55pikoHello, I have strange problem, I have two debian machines connected to router, one should act as a gateway, the second as client, iptables on both are set to ACCEPT on INPUT and OUTPUT, but I can nmap just the client, not the gateway, the gateway shows not a single port. All interfaces are set by static connection. Could anyone help?
21:54.06pikoI really have no idea where do I go wrong
21:54.16gregor2005how can i run in degraded array?
21:54.22Titan8990piko, nat policies?
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21:54.32Titan8990gregor2005, pull the bad drive out and leave it out
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21:55.01Titan8990piko, look at your NAT and and forwarding policies
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21:55.26pikoTitan8990: Should that be shown in iptables -L ? I think there is no, just INPUT, OUTPUT, FORWARD
21:55.30gregor2005i set is as fault and remove it from the array
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21:55.40gregor2005but the system switched to read-only
21:55.50Titan8990piko, no
21:55.58Titan8990piko, iptables -t nat -L
21:56.07pikoTitan8990: FORWARD is set to ACCEPT
21:56.41pikoTitan8990: NAT: Table does not exist
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21:57.09unitypunkthanks Titan8990 for that tidbit :)
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21:57.51Titan8990piko, NAT is not the same as nat
21:57.56Titan8990piko, case-sensitive
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21:58.23Titan8990piko, is your plan to just have a linux router or is it to learn linux routing?
21:58.41michealHello, someone is there who can maybe help me with my rsync problem?
21:58.48Titan8990!asj
21:58.48dpkgasj is, like, boren's alter ego
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21:58.50Titan8990!ask
21:58.50dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:59.57michealthis was the question. i want to provide an paste at linuxassist http://paste.linuxassist.net/215011
22:00.12michealthe config is messed up and i am totally new to rsync
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22:00.47michealand it isnt really an debian problem, but i am using debian just for let you know
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22:01.08pikoTitan8990: The router is cisco machine, linux is just client or ... yes, router for gateway, but no NAT and just simple routing table (which it should have now)
22:01.34jaggz-I manually got wpa_supplicant to use my network in WPA (TKIP) mode -- now how do I properly debian-automate the process?
22:01.44Titan8990micheal, i have never had to edit rsync config, what are you trying to do?
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22:01.59micheali want a fullbackup
22:02.05pikoTitan8990: But, I am not sure about routing table
22:02.15Titan8990micheal, no need to edit rsync configuration for that...
22:02.17michealall possibles contents needs to backed up.
22:02.28Titan8990piko, im completely confused as to what the problem is now
22:02.29michealahm
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22:03.07Titan8990micheal, rsync -av --exclude-file=exclude / username@remotemachine:/remote/directory
22:03.11michealTitan: the problem maybe isnt rsync as application, the scripts to do it via cron arent set correct
22:03.24michealdoes this backup all contents?
22:03.42Titan8990micheal, that command, yes, but it assumes you make a exclude file
22:03.50michealyes, /dev
22:03.51Titan8990micheal, what script did you setup in cron?
22:03.54michealand something
22:03.57pickcoderyou don't want to backup /proc
22:04.17Titan8990micheal, you want to exlcude typically, /proc /sys /dev /tmp /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab
22:04.24michealthis is something what i need to know, what has to be excluded? /dev /proc?
22:04.29michealokay
22:04.31pikoTitan8990: okay, the thing is, I have two computers connected by a cisco router, on one I am able to see ports by nmap, on the other I can see nothing despite iptables are set to ACCEPT on INPUT/OUTPUT on both
22:04.33Titan8990pending on whether or not menu.lst and fstab uses UUIDs
22:05.00Titan8990piko, its probably the settings on the cisco router
22:05.10Titan8990piko, let me see your running config
22:05.57pikoTitan8990: config of cisco router?
22:06.04Titan8990yeah
22:06.06michealcan i be sure to have backed up all applications as well?
22:06.18michealwhen these folders are excluded?
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22:06.31pikoTitan8990: ok, a minute
22:06.40michealfor example, rkhunter, fail2ban, curlftpfs and such?
22:06.51pickcoderapplication files are not installed in those locations
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22:07.02pickcoderbut that doesn't mean you haven't created custom devices in /dev/
22:07.05Titan8990micheal, alright, let me get this right, you want full system snapshot backups w/o spending a ton of time learning rsync?
22:07.39themill!things to backup
22:07.40dpkgA list of some of the things you should back up on your box is: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv.  Tailor this list to your own purposes.  If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf ...
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22:08.01michealyes?
22:08.06pikoTitan8990: It is not my strong task to get the config, could you sy what commands output do you want to get?
22:08.30micheali want a full system backup and need to know what has to be backed up to easely run back after an clean install
22:08.31pikoTitan8990: sorry, I do not know how to do that, do you know?
22:08.34michealif its possible
22:08.34Titan8990micheal, rsnapshot is a wrapper around rsync, just need to edit some variables in a config if i remember right
22:08.48Titan8990micheal, and it schedules cron and etc for you
22:09.07Titan8990piko, show run
22:09.16Titan8990piko, or show running-config
22:09.19themillmicheal: if you'd do a clean install anyway, the list of installed packages is easier to use than the snapshot. /msg dpkg aptitude clone
22:09.19Titan8990piko, from enable mode
22:09.28michealrsnapshot
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22:10.02michealneed to take a look at it. do you know a good tutorial? or i will google for it if not
22:10.07Titan8990piko, what model cisco is this?
22:10.08konr|afkGuys, how can I use the dynamic output of `acpi` as my shell prompt? If I try to set export PS1=`acpi`, it will evaluate once and never change again
22:10.26Titan8990piko, and why do you have it lol?
22:10.47pikoTitan8990: i was not my task to configure it
22:11.02Titan8990piko, work?
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22:11.28pikoTitan8990: It was not my task ... yes, work, running a rack of linux machines
22:11.39pikoTitan8990: Ideally by automatic installation
22:12.11themilldpkg: tell micheal about rsnapshot
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22:13.12Titan8990piko, what is it? a 1800?
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22:13.51PhantomasHello, in a minimal install of debian (no X) i have an ftp service. When the computer starts I can access the service from another pc but after some hours i get timeout and if i connect a monitor to the server it shows a black screen (not power save)
22:13.53michealWell, thanks Titan8990 and  pickcoder ill take some time for rsnapshot, well done and thanks
22:13.57Titan8990piko, nvm, just pastebin your running-config... after removal of your passwords
22:14.04Titan8990micheal, np
22:14.40pikoTitan8990: no, it is more delicious one ... 2948G-L3
22:14.44PhantomasIs it a kind of powersave or sth?
22:15.14Titan8990piko, thats a layer 3 switch....
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22:16.40Titan8990piko, switches don't do NAT
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22:17.42pikoTitan8990: yes, I do not suspect switch, more the routing table, to be frank
22:17.55pikoTitan8990: the routing table of one of machines
22:18.20pikoTitan8990: I was not sure how to set it and it seems to me that I have made some errors
22:19.34Titan8990piko, so you have two linux boxes set up on a switch... same vlan?  one can portscan the other but not the other way around?
22:19.51pikoTitan8990: please see http://pastebin.com/f10e6c23d
22:21.02Titan8990piko, i guess i still don't understand, it looks like your trying to make this box route?
22:21.05pikoTitan8990: no, two computers on one cisco switch (configured as simple router), the problem is on the second computer which needs to access three networks on its three interfaces
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22:22.09Titan8990piko, but what exactly is the problem?
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22:22.19Titan8990piko, which network can't it reach?
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22:23.11Titan8990piko, could eth0/1/2 have the wrong cable plugged in to them? did you check mac address to ensure everything got plugged in to the expected nic?
22:23.14pikoTitan8990: well, I may misunderstand the linux routing yes, both computers are connected on 98.0.0.0 network and the nmap on the one whose route -n do you see seems to be lost
22:23.41pikoTitan8990: I checked it by plugging one and seeing ip link changes
22:23.48pikoTitan8990: cables are ok
22:24.00pickcoderpiko: 98 network is routed to the default 32.0.0.1 gateway which isn't on the same network. what gateway is on 98.0.0.0?
22:24.51groulderall, i've just come in this morning and found a debian box completely locked. it's showing a call trace and an end trace at the bottom of the screen
22:25.05groulderi've rebooted the box. any ideas what cuases this or how i could discover how this has occured?
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22:25.13pikopickcoder: yes, that is for me the problem, I need the default route set to 32.0.0.1, default gateway is on 98.0.0.1
22:26.03pikopickcoder: so maybe changing the route could help
22:26.04Titan8990piko, default route and default gateway are the same thing
22:26.09pikoTitan8990: yes
22:26.11Titan8990and you can't have two
22:26.19pikoTitan8990: yes, I know
22:26.21pickcoderwell.. you can.. if you use iproute2 mapping
22:26.24Titan8990unless you are doing load-balancing
22:26.43pikopickcoder: How does that work?
22:26.46pickcoderyou can map a gateway by destination IP range
22:26.54pickcoderor source IP as I've played with
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22:27.09pikopickcoder: where to learn more?
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22:27.25Titan8990piko, something is wierd about the design
22:27.28pikopickcoder: I tried to search for something similar, but route seemed not to support it
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22:28.33pikoTitan8990: may be - the task is to have single computer that has access to 32, 33 and 98 with routing to 32.0.0.1 if no other way
22:28.43pikopickcoder: I mean the route command
22:28.49pickcoderpiko: search for 'linux iproute2 multiple default routes'
22:29.21pickcoderthis only works when you have independent devices for network routing
22:30.09Titan8990piko, to me, it sounds like the switch doesn't know how to route and that is the issue
22:30.14pikopickcoder: yes, that can work for me, thanks
22:30.26pickcoderI honestly don't remember what I was doing, but it had to do with creating a source-based packet routing setup for some goofy gateway
22:30.44pickcoderit was probably client-specific outgoing routing
22:30.59pickcoderload-balancing as such
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22:31.36pikoTitan8990: may be, I will try the routing table on the second computer first
22:31.54pikopickcoder: nice
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22:34.02pickcoderaside from picking a device you can switch gateways on the same subnet and device based on source IP, which is nice when you want to split traffic through various machines
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22:35.58bpun_aynone knows of a wiki doc that explains to me how to setup a very simple jabberd install ? (the online reference docs.jabber is offline)
22:36.00pikopickcoder: how that is called?
22:36.10pickcoderhuh?
22:36.24bpun_(apt-get install jabberd does the trick, but not sure what to issue commands with clients thereafter)
22:36.47Titan8990bpun_, i found the docs to be pretty terrible and ended up using ejabberd
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22:38.09pikosorry for lowered intelligence, I need some cup of tee :-)
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22:38.26bpun_Titan8990, hmm.. thanks :)
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22:46.10bpun_Titan8990, ok, so after i install ejabberd(using debian btw), can i just start usign a client right away?
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22:49.38bjorkintoshdoes an upgrade from lenny to squeeze typically hose /etc/passwd?
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22:54.46dsdasdhi, firefox 3.5.2 freezes when i try full screen flash video in youtube, debian lenny with flash 10 plugin, downloaded from adobe
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22:55.38dsdasdonly hint in google about this was from someone using gentoo, but no solution
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22:56.48dsdasdit's a fresh install, no add-ons or themes
22:57.12adbdsdasd,  firefox 3.5.2  works on lenny ?
22:57.44dsdasdyes, i'v downloaded it from mozilla
22:58.53adbdsdasd, if so firefox  is not supported here
22:58.56themilldsdasd: if you've downloaded firefox from mozilla and flash from adobe, this isn't sounding much like a problem for #debian.
22:59.37dsdasdi didn't say it was, i was just asking if someone else had seen this
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23:00.07flaccidis there some place i can get a vmware image of debian lenny ?
23:00.21dsdasdnot anybody uses iceweasel and flash plugin it's not in the repos
23:00.33dsdasd(well maybe in backports)
23:00.40flaccidi guess http://www.visoracle.com/vm/debian50/ first result. but if anywon recommends somewhere else, let me know
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23:04.06michealTitan: are you available? ive set up both machines to tst rsnapshot. all dependencies. the connections will be established with and key and empty password for automatic backups. now, i have taken a look at the config file from rsnapshot but i didnt  found the section for folders to back up
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23:06.30apostleare there opensource PCB design tools that run on linux?
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23:07.19themillapostle: several -- "apt-cache search pcb"
23:07.33PhantomasCould someone help me with my problem? :)
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23:07.51themillapostle: (kicad and geda are the ones I've heard about; never used them myself though)
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23:16.32apostlethanks
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23:20.13flaccidoops..
23:20.21flaccidhey is there a minimal install image ?
23:20.26flaccidor boot only only ?
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23:21.25flaccidi guess what i am asking, is what is the most minimal install you can do without downloading anything from the internet whether its image or deb based install from media ?
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23:22.18flaccidis this the businesscard thang ?
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23:23.41thomas`flaccid: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2a/i386/iso-cd/debian-502a-i386-netinst.iso
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23:24.13flaccidthomas` the installation source needs to be offline
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23:35.58Monkey_bim trying to set up a VM that will act as a web server.. i would like to make it as small as possible... is it possible to install a barebones debian instance without GUIs and other unnecessary stuff
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23:36.22themillMonkey_b: of course
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23:36.58izibihttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/137711/ can somebody help me with compiling this kernel module?
23:37.19flaccidMonkey_b netinst
23:37.26Monkey_bthank you guys :]
23:37.46Monkey_bhttp://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
23:37.47Monkey_brgr
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23:39.52DelphiWorldhello all,
23:39.57DelphiWorldi'm using debian etch 4
23:40.14DelphiWorldi want to update my repository
23:40.18DelphiWorldi use apt-get update
23:40.24DelphiWorldbut is updating from cd... why?
23:40.52karmeDelphiWorld: this is specified in /etc/apt/sources.list
23:41.26DelphiWorldkardan|: ok, thank you
23:41.36DelphiWorldkardan|: what i need to edit in this file please?
23:42.00kardan|DelphiWorld:  for wha?
23:42.13DelphiWorldkardan|: for updating my repo online
23:42.21DelphiWorldkardan|: apt-get update
23:42.30kardan|no i didnt
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23:42.42karmelol - tab completion ...
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23:42.50kardan|ok :)
23:43.04kardan|DelphiWorld: just press tab another time
23:43.19DelphiWorld-debkardan|: tab for completing what?
23:43.31kardan|yess
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23:43.54markybobjesus, grow a brain.  LOOK in the file.  it'll be so obvious that even you will know what you need to do
23:44.24DelphiWorld-debkardan|: ok thanks
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23:45.00kardan|lord, through brain from the sky!
23:45.45KiloBravoEightif you don't know, it isn't as straight forward as it is to those that do know
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23:46.13KiloBravoEightseriously, the comment was a bit on the rude side, 'specially to a newb
23:46.31KiloBravoEightmentioning a text editor would have been nice
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23:47.10karmehmm now he is gone? http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/index.en.html
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23:47.45KiloBravoEightthis is a 'help' channel, right?
23:47.59KiloBravoEightor was i mistaken and crashing a club ?
23:49.53bjorkintoshyou're mistaken.
23:50.05bjorkintoshnow apologise, and grab a drink.
23:50.28Monkey_blol
23:50.32KiloBravoEightno thanks, i'll go see if i can find a help channel instead ...
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23:50.45elninjagrabs a beer from the bar.
23:50.50Monkey_bits a 'help' channel, but like any help channel you have to use your brain
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23:51.04sigmonsayswakes up
23:51.06Monkey_bat least to the extent that you can make use of the advise that's given
23:51.08alex88grabs a mojito from the bar
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23:56.35michealgrab pepsi
23:56.42michealand enjoy :)
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23:59.17michealcan someone tell me the difference between:  rsnapshot.conf   --->  include /path/to/include/  <------ and ----> backup /path/to/backup/ <-------
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