| 00:00.11 | micheal | if i include a path it means i will back this path up, and if i backup a path it does the same or? |
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| 00:00.29 | micheal | do i something missunderstand? |
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| 00:01.16 | petemc | micheal: include generally means look in this place for additional config files |
| 00:01.28 | themill | not in this case though |
| 00:01.46 | micheal | yea, i can include /path/ |
| 00:01.52 | micheal | exclude /path/ |
| 00:01.54 | petemc | i dont use rsnapshot |
| 00:01.59 | micheal | and backup /path/ |
| 00:02.02 | petemc | hence, generally |
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| 00:03.08 | petemc | micheal: a quick google suggests thats where you can pass parameters to rsync |
| 00:03.21 | themill | micheal: include/exclude are about tuning what rsync will pick up. backup defines a root of where a backup should start. So it's rsync --include /path/to/include --exclude /path/to/exclude /path/to/backup /path/to/rsnapshotroot |
| 00:03.40 | themill | micheal: "backup" will normally have a machine name in it too |
| 00:04.09 | moustafa | I'm using Ubuntu, I was trying to add my user (administrator) to a new group but it appears that I've erased the previous primary groups because I used the command "usermod -g" and I got locked out of the administration group, now I got back into it but I have a problem that in gnome menu I can't find the add/remove programs and when I try to unlock the usermanager to get administrative privilages it just freez, any ideas? |
| 00:04.54 | themill | micheal: note also, that "backup" requires both a "what" and a "to where", so I have thngs like "backup root@laptop:/etc/ laptop/" |
| 00:05.15 | themill | moustafa: sounds like it's definitely a question for #ubuntu |
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| 00:05.43 | moustafa | themill, no one there helped me :s |
| 00:06.05 | moustafa | I will give it another try. |
| 00:06.16 | themill | moustafa: try again later or try asking on their web forums then |
| 00:06.32 | moustafa | OK, thanks |
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| 00:08.09 | themill | Dannny: please stop creating useless factoids in dpkg. The bot doesn't need more junk in it. |
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| 00:15.01 | micheal | themill: okay, finally, i got my config! can someone take a look and decide if this will work or not? Everything has to be backed up exluded /proc /sys /dev /boot /tmp /menu.lst and /fstab |
| 00:15.03 | micheal | http://paste.linuxassist.net/215013 |
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| 00:18.13 | themill | micheal: you need to have a "backup" directive in there somewhere to actually tell it what to backup and where. Something like "backup / localhost/" would be fine. You also need to exclude /backup/ from your backups or you'll end up with a mess. (I presume /backup/ is an external hard drive) |
| 00:20.18 | micheal | yea, thanks, ive forgot, but i know this from reoback! but wait. doesnt rsync simply copy the files? does rsync make an backup before on the harddrive? |
| 00:20.56 | micheal | i was sure rsync only "copy" the files to the backupserver |
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| 00:22.22 | themill | micheal: your current config makes backups in /backup/ -- is that where you want them to be made? |
| 00:22.37 | gaintsura | has anyone used empathy? wondering if its more reliable than kopete/pidgin (and half as lame as the afore mentioned) |
| 00:22.41 | micheal | no, ill just to snychronise the files |
| 00:23.20 | karsten | Any suggestions for how to run a time-limited command via dsh? |
| 00:23.32 | karsten | Eg: try this, but don't try too hard (quit after, say, 30s)? |
| 00:23.35 | micheal | i wont have an separate backup on the harddrive |
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| 00:24.31 | themill | micheal: you'll be making a series of backups in /backup/. If that's on the same hard drive as the rest of your system, then that only has limited value in disaster recovery for you. |
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| 00:26.01 | micheal | yea, i was sure my config file need an third eye! but it seems that i have to take more time! english isnt my main language, i got some problems to understand the whole config structure |
| 00:26.37 | PassingStranger | karsten: ulimit? |
| 00:26.59 | themill | micheal: would you be happier asking in German in #debian.de? |
| 00:27.39 | micheal | no, you already said my config file isnt set up correct! i just need some more time |
| 00:27.45 | themill | :) |
| 00:28.15 | micheal | its like kjdhKLJFkljgn xD |
| 00:28.57 | micheal | and dont ask "what" please :) thats my part right now |
| 00:29.45 | karsten | PassingStranger: Hrm. Maybe. |
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| 00:30.01 | karsten | I wrote my own wrapper a while ago which included fping and a timeout. |
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| 00:30.31 | karsten | Maybe I should write it again ;-) |
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| 00:30.36 | gaintsura | man.. I can't find a single good messenger client :( |
| 00:30.44 | micheal | okay, when i disbale "# All snapshots will be stored under this root directory. /backup/" rsnapshot doesnt backup to the localdrive, is this the part to disable? it must xD |
| 00:31.47 | micheal | gaintsure: i dont like all of that multimessengers |
| 00:32.06 | gaintsura | micheal: I know, but I'd rather have one than many |
| 00:32.08 | micheal | i am stick with the original ones icq, msn, skype and so one, mutlimessaging :) |
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| 00:32.52 | micheal | at the end it was preferable to got 5 apps than one of that crap tools imo |
| 00:33.01 | micheal | -._ |
| 00:33.17 | simonrvn | gaintsura: pidgin.. |
| 00:33.18 | karme | who cares about icq, msn, skype and the other mess? |
| 00:33.38 | gaintsura | simonrvn: pidgin = lame, crashes, same with kopete, causes chat windows to freeze and then I miss what the other user says |
| 00:33.55 | gaintsura | karme: I only care about jabber/xmpp, gtalk, and yahoo |
| 00:33.56 | simonrvn | WorksForMe |
| 00:34.02 | themill | gaintsura: I've been using kopete for years without ever seeing that behaviour. wfm |
| 00:34.07 | gaintsura | simonrvn: you want the WFM seal of approval? :P |
| 00:34.10 | micheal | one of that multimessenger was coded with an trojan implemented. after that i never used multimessneger |
| 00:34.18 | gaintsura | themill: I wish I could tell you, but its a never ending problem |
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| 00:34.35 | simonrvn | i haven't touched icq in over 10 years i think |
| 00:34.37 | micheal | only, mIrc, icq, msn, skype |
| 00:34.46 | simonrvn | *shudder* |
| 00:34.47 | gaintsura | irc is a separate client, xchat ftw |
| 00:34.51 | xeon-enouf | uses irssi, or xchat |
| 00:34.59 | xeon-enouf | used to use ksirc :-P |
| 00:35.09 | micheal | kvirc also |
| 00:35.14 | micheal | on linux |
| 00:35.14 | gaintsura | simonrvn: same... last time I used icq was when I was still living with my parents wrapped up in making a mod of an FPS |
| 00:35.21 | simonrvn | gaintsura: i'm good ty |
| 00:35.25 | gaintsura | :P |
| 00:35.27 | xeon-enouf | konversation i tried too - it sucked |
| 00:35.32 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:36.00 | xeon-enouf | gaintsura: seems maybe bitlbee might be a good fit for you? |
| 00:36.09 | gaintsura | xeon-enouf: let me check it out, hang ong |
| 00:36.10 | gaintsura | on* |
| 00:36.14 | PassingStranger | gaintsura: you had your parents wrapped up? ;) |
| 00:36.19 | karme | uses erc and emacs-jabber |
| 00:36.20 | xeon-enouf | hehe |
| 00:36.29 | simonrvn | well at least i'm not getting "no route to host", though the "connection timed out" stuff makes updates slower.. |
| 00:36.32 | xeon-enouf | judd: info bitlbee |
| 00:36.33 | judd | xeon-enouf: bitlbee (net): is optional; Version: 1.2.3-1; Size: 318.2k; Installed: 724k -- An IRC to other chat networks gateway |
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| 00:36.42 | gaintsura | oh... uh... no thanks xeon-enouf :P |
| 00:36.57 | gaintsura | PassingStranger: I'd like to most of the time :D |
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| 00:37.19 | simonrvn | new weechat in exp. |
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| 00:37.34 | cash | ciao a tutti! ::mIRC p2p:: |
| 00:37.48 | cash | !list |
| 00:37.48 | dpkg | cash: VATTENE VIA |
| 00:37.51 | xeon-enouf | themill: hrm, i saw something recently on {debian-{project.*}(?) mailing list about doing away with the Long description of pkgs? Oh yeah - the Squeeze release Goals ... is that right? |
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| 00:38.38 | simonrvn | die mirc, die |
| 00:38.40 | gaintsura | xeon-enouf: I don't like that idea, I like doing apt-cache show <some package> and seeing info about it |
| 00:38.43 | gaintsura | simonrvn: agreed lol |
| 00:39.11 | simonrvn | xeon-enouf: i hate that idea |
| 00:39.13 | gaintsura | anyone ever used psi? anything against it? |
| 00:39.27 | simonrvn | i tried it, was so-so |
| 00:40.04 | gaintsura | hm |
| 00:40.07 | simonrvn | was going to use it more but had to do a real bad hack to get SSL certs into it |
| 00:40.14 | gaintsura | hm |
| 00:40.16 | xeon-enouf | ^fives simonrvn |
| 00:40.20 | simonrvn | ...this was many many moons ago |
| 00:40.23 | gaintsura | how long ago was that simonrvn? |
| 00:40.25 | gaintsura | :P nvm |
| 00:41.15 | gaintsura | thats no good... theres a psi package and a psi3 package.... psi3 is a quantum chemical program, while psi is the chat client :S |
| 00:41.56 | karme | gaintsura: there are not that many 3 letter names :-) |
| 00:42.00 | xeon-enouf | http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 "Move of packages' long descriptions into a separate "translated package list", which will facilitate their translation and also provide a smaller footprint for embedded systems thanks to smaller Packages files." |
| 00:42.16 | xeon-enouf | i must misunderstand |
| 00:42.28 | gaintsura | karme: true, but sheesh |
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| 00:43.18 | gaintsura | xeon-enouf: essentially the will take the packages, repakage them without the extended info, and provide that information through a separate package which can be downloaded and then re-enables the long information? |
| 00:43.34 | simonrvn | well that's certainly tolerable. would suck to lose them all. they're useful. |
| 00:43.50 | xeon-enouf | cash why is it always italians do that crap -- i'm of italian decent - and you ruin it for me/us ... how'd you like me to have you 'whacked' you bozo |
| 00:44.15 | gaintsura | O.o wtf... psi doesn't say anything about supporting yahoo |
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| 00:44.41 | gaintsura | xeon-enouf: lol hes not here anymore, but I have to agree, people like that that !list on enter is sad |
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| 00:45.15 | xeon-enouf | gaintsura: i know - but i've been meaning to say that for .. seemingly .. years now |
| 00:45.22 | gaintsura | how do I use the tagging setup in apt-cache? |
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| 00:45.28 | xeon-enouf | !debtags |
| 00:45.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debtags is http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags |
| 00:45.31 | gaintsura | xeon-enouf: lol, I know what you mean |
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| 00:45.48 | gaintsura | thx |
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| 00:46.03 | gaintsura | that first link needs adjusting |
| 00:46.04 | xeon-enouf | simonrvn: i know - i guess i'm not sure if it' |
| 00:46.08 | gaintsura | the comma needs a space before it |
| 00:46.14 | gaintsura | it catches in the link |
| 00:46.27 | xeon-enouf | s a "packages.*" file/repo separation -- oe what |
| 00:46.32 | xeon-enouf | s/oe/or/ |
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| 00:46.54 | xeon-enouf | gaintsura: it's called huge pounding hands |
| 00:46.58 | gaintsura | lol |
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| 00:47.17 | xeon-enouf | er .. fingers :-P |
| 00:47.28 | xeon-enouf | which are attached to ... |
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| 00:48.01 | xeon-enouf | wails out on rifs on guitar - beats the crap out of his battleaxe :-P |
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| 00:48.56 | gaintsura | oh super, the smart package search on debtags.alioth.debian.org locks my firefox up |
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| 00:49.17 | xeon-enouf | gaintsura: get a better IW/FF |
| 00:49.32 | gaintsura | xeon-enouf: IW? |
| 00:49.43 | xeon-enouf | gaintsura: or .. use links2 -g like sane people who like SPEED do |
| 00:49.47 | gaintsura | lol |
| 00:49.53 | xeon-enouf | !iw |
| 00:50.06 | xeon-enouf | !iceweasel |
| 00:50.06 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 00:50.15 | simonrvn | iceweasel |
| 00:50.19 | gaintsura | I haz iceweasel |
| 00:50.23 | xeon-enouf | dpkg iw is reply see iceweasel |
| 00:50.23 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: okay |
| 00:50.31 | macrobat | does synaptics use debtags? |
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| 00:50.49 | simonrvn | synaptic |
| 00:50.59 | xeon-enouf | heh - you mousey .. |
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| 00:51.18 | xeon-enouf | !synaptic |
| 00:51.26 | xeon-enouf | wow .. hehe |
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| 00:51.47 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 00:51.54 | gaintsura | lol |
| 00:51.55 | simonrvn | dpkg: wake up |
| 00:51.55 | dpkg | simonrvn: I'm already awake! :) |
| 00:52.01 | gaintsura | lies! |
| 00:52.03 | gaintsura | sleepin on the job |
| 00:52.06 | xeon-enouf | macrobat: synaptic pkg manager is a 'frontend GUI' .. no idea what it's rear end is, but i bet it uses libapt or something |
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| 00:52.12 | macrobat | i always put an s on it :) |
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| 00:52.18 | simonrvn | yes it does |
| 00:52.29 | simonrvn | the s one is the mousepad driver |
| 00:52.59 | xeon-enouf | !synaptics |
| 00:52.59 | dpkg | somebody said synaptics was a driver for the touchpad on many laptops. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options. If it's not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". See also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html . This driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. See also <trackpoint>. |
| 00:53.12 | macrobat | i simulated installing synaptic, it broke a couple of pkgs, aptitude suggested removal of debtags :) |
| 00:53.27 | simonrvn | keep debtags |
| 00:53.35 | xeon-enouf | macrobat: you'er using aptitude incorrectly then |
| 00:53.42 | simonrvn | a lot more useful ;) |
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| 00:53.44 | gaintsura | whats the name of the security packages ?? |
| 00:53.59 | gaintsura | theres only 2, can't remember the names of them |
| 00:54.01 | simonrvn | gaintsura: what? |
| 00:54.05 | xeon-enouf | macrobat: it likely wants to upgrade it ... you need to learn how to use the CLI pkg managers |
| 00:54.23 | simonrvn | !security |
| 00:54.23 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 00:54.24 | macrobat | is there a gui frontend for debtags? |
| 00:54.26 | xeon-enouf | macrobat: 'aptitude why debtags ... ' or something |
| 00:54.31 | macrobat | ok |
| 00:54.46 | xeon-enouf | !aptitude-doc-en |
| 00:54.47 | gaintsura | simonrvn: theres 2 packages which keep the kernel safe or something like that, theres only 2 options across all of linux |
| 00:54.55 | xeon-enouf | judd: info aptitude-doc-en |
| 00:54.55 | judd | xeon-enouf: aptitude-doc-en (doc): is optional; Version: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1; Size: 355.4k; Installed: 1304k -- English manual for aptitude, a terminal-based package manager |
| 00:55.32 | xeon-enouf | gaintsura: wut?!@ |
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| 00:55.46 | gaintsura | xeon-enouf: :( I can't remember the package name |
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| 00:55.57 | homecable | can any one post me there cat /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases |
| 00:55.59 | xeon-enouf | gaintsura: /msg dpkg harden-doc |
| 00:56.08 | xeon-enouf | gaintsura: /msg dpkg security |
| 00:56.29 | xeon-enouf | homecable: no, it makes no difference what mine says |
| 00:56.47 | simonrvn | why would that help? |
| 00:56.59 | xeon-enouf | homecable: fix yours instead |
| 00:57.04 | simonrvn | what he said |
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| 00:57.19 | homecable | dhcp set my mtu to 576 |
| 00:57.27 | homecable | is that a bug |
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| 00:57.45 | simonrvn | gaintsura: there's linux-2.6.. is that what you mean? |
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| 00:58.02 | simonrvn | homecable: more than likely level 8 erorr |
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| 00:58.07 | simonrvn | error* |
| 00:58.16 | simonrvn | layer* |
| 00:58.27 | homecable | what do u mean |
| 00:58.34 | xeon-enouf | prolly not - pastebin output of udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/<iface-in-question---like eth0> |
| 00:58.36 | macrobat | years ago i used adept with kde, it made great use of debtags. using debtags search in a cli is a lot of work :) |
| 00:58.38 | simonrvn | !pebkac |
| 00:58.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 00:58.58 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.27 | gaintsura | omg I can't find it:( |
| 00:59.40 | xeon-enouf | homecable: might be an ISP specific thing or a PPPoE thing |
| 00:59.51 | gaintsura | simonrvn: no, its a package that does some form of securing to prevent injections and whatnot, also does access control, etc |
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| 01:00.09 | simonrvn | grsecurity2? |
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| 01:00.11 | xeon-enouf | gaintsura: selinux? |
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| 01:00.14 | gaintsura | !!! YES |
| 01:00.22 | gaintsura | I forcefully removed selinux before |
| 01:00.24 | PassingStranger | is wondering... is there a way to get this IRC channel's dpkg bot's wisdom in a .deb package along with a decent tool to retrieve that information even w/o net access? |
| 01:00.27 | gaintsura | it left me with nothing more than bash |
| 01:00.29 | xeon-enouf | or grsecurity .. which is a kernel patch |
| 01:00.30 | gaintsura | no kernel |
| 01:00.37 | xeon-enouf | not in debian, afaik |
| 01:01.11 | xeon-enouf | PassingStranger: yes .. /msg dpkg dpkgbot (if there is) |
| 01:01.20 | gaintsura | xeon-enouf: theres an alternative to selinux, was having problems with my system, someone said 'remove selinux' so I did... and I ended up with a blank system, it litereally removed ALL packages |
| 01:01.36 | homecable | i have a ethernet fiber to the side of my house and ethernet wire from box to my switch to get ips on all my pcs |
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| 01:02.01 | PassingStranger | xeon-enouf: you need to read more carefully! ;) |
| 01:02.20 | PassingStranger | s/carefully/closely |
| 01:02.28 | simonrvn | because everything deps on it... or just about... |
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| 01:02.50 | gaintsura | simonrvn: indeed, and my system didn't prompt me if I was sure |
| 01:02.53 | gaintsura | it was a sad day |
| 01:03.16 | xeon-enouf | PassingStranger: oh well |
| 01:03.42 | xeon-enouf | gaintsura: Debian installs with SELinux disabled |
| 01:04.08 | xeon-enouf | gaintsura: so go to your 'debian-based'channelplease |
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| 01:05.01 | markybob | damn shame. tsk tsk |
| 01:05.12 | km | is there away to allow user to start/stop process own by other user? |
| 01:05.46 | simonrvn | figures eh... a post from before the decision from their human rights commission stating that canuckistan's hate crime laws are unconstitutional, that i get a rather specific post on a forum i manage, attacked |
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| 01:06.07 | PassingStranger | km: i certainly hope not! :) |
| 01:06.09 | simonrvn | km: sudo for instance? |
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| 01:06.19 | km | without usng sudo |
| 01:06.20 | Wulf_ | Hi |
| 01:06.49 | simonrvn | not without using some means to escalate privs, no |
| 01:06.53 | Wulf_ | I'd like the /dev/bus/usb/123/456 device to automatically have a specific group/permission when I connect the device |
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| 01:07.13 | gaintsura | xeon-enouf: ??? |
| 01:07.45 | Wulf_ | I tried writing udev rules, but no success. something in udev always sets group back to root |
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| 01:09.56 | Wulf_ | any hints on this? |
| 01:10.47 | simonrvn | i don't directly used udev too much, sorry |
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| 01:11.22 | micheal | I have set up the config a second time can you please take a look over it themill? http://paste.linuxassist.net/215015 |
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| 01:13.37 | km | how would setup i set /etc/sudoers to allow user "john" to stop/start user "joe" xyz program? |
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| 01:20.35 | gaintsura | mmmm java |
| 01:20.39 | gaintsura | and not the program |
| 01:20.49 | micheal | it seems to be working, how to check the status of rsnapshot, is this possible? ive startet it with -v (detaillevel on the screen) but how to know if its stuck or backup? |
| 01:21.11 | gaintsura | micheal: top? |
| 01:21.34 | micheal | top? |
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| 01:21.55 | aaronorosen | anyone know why i'm getting channel 0: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed when i try to ssh -w 0:0 in as root? |
| 01:22.09 | aaronorosen | Its not creating a tun0 device for me |
| 01:22.48 | gaintsura | you need to be root to make a tun I thought |
| 01:23.02 | gaintsura | oh |
| 01:23.03 | gaintsura | nvm |
| 01:23.21 | gaintsura | aaronorosen: do you really need that display? |
| 01:23.24 | xeon-enouf | Wulf_: wrong udev rules writing |
| 01:23.46 | aaronorosen | gaintsura: excuse me what display are you talking about? Its for a ssh vpn tunnel. |
| 01:23.47 | xeon-enouf | !udev rules |
| 01:23.47 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 01:24.06 | gaintsura | aaronorosen: I thought -w 0:0 was for a display window? |
| 01:24.16 | aaronorosen | no thats -X |
| 01:24.30 | Wulf_ | xeon-enouf: I tried it, doesn't work for me. Maybe I should try again after I've got some sleep.. |
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| 01:24.50 | xeon-enouf | Wulf_: check this out; http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TechTalks/4thAugust2007 |
| 01:25.05 | gaintsura | aaronorosen: right, sorry |
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| 01:25.18 | xeon-enouf | Wulf_: yes, sleep is good - especially when done nude and with your SO |
| 01:25.51 | Wulf_ | SO? |
| 01:26.07 | gaintsura | aaronorosen: have you read up on man ssh in the -w section? there may be something you're missing on the remote side |
| 01:26.08 | M06w | my s key just makes the computer beep |
| 01:26.17 | gaintsura | significant other |
| 01:26.47 | xeon-enouf | Wulf_: some more non-specific-to-your-situation-info http://cafuego.net/2007/11/11/time-machine-kinda |
| 01:28.08 | Wulf_ | thanks. will look at it later |
| 01:28.31 | xeon-enouf | Wulf_: SO == what gaintsura said |
| 01:28.48 | xeon-enouf | Wulf_: it's not .so :-P |
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| 01:29.37 | xeon-enouf | (well .. perhaps if s/he is a 'librarian') :-P |
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| 01:31.58 | BCM43 | how do I suspend from command line? |
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| 01:35.03 | PassingStranger | BCM43: what do you mean? |
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| 01:37.34 | dingus9 | hey I have a quick question about synaptic, is there a way to get it to download from multiple mirriors at once... IE: ftp.debian.org and linux.csua.berkeley.edu? |
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| 01:38.54 | dingus9 | synaptic will download from multiple mirriors, but they seem to have to be separate distros or mirrors IE: debian-multimedia and debian.osuosl.org download at the same time |
| 01:40.29 | xeon-enouf | dingus9: wut? |
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| 01:40.58 | BCM43 | PassingStranger: I want so suspend the computer, however I don't have gnome installed so I need to do it from the command line. |
| 01:41.01 | M06w | Does anything actually work inside debian? |
| 01:41.05 | xeon-enouf | dingus9: how would you even know? are you on Dialup? |
| 01:41.15 | xeon-enouf | M06w: no, use windows |
| 01:41.22 | M06w | I would but I don't want to |
| 01:41.32 | xeon-enouf | yes you do |
| 01:41.43 | M06w | not for my server |
| 01:41.43 | xeon-enouf | your mother told me so :-P |
| 01:42.00 | ajavid | dude |
| 01:42.02 | BCM43 | really xeon-enouf ? |
| 01:42.08 | ajavid | no |
| 01:42.31 | xeon-enouf | BCM43: echo "something" /sys/*/disk or something -- google it |
| 01:42.34 | markybob | who cares? a non-debian user talking shit in #debian...have at him. *shrug* |
| 01:42.37 | M06w | but really, ever thing I've installed from apache to bind has not worked properly |
| 01:43.02 | ajavid | am I debian user? |
| 01:43.02 | BCM43 | M06w: Could that be the fault of the user? |
| 01:43.05 | ajavid | :D |
| 01:43.25 | M06w | according to the people over in ##httpd it's the debian people's fault |
| 01:43.38 | ajavid | ok |
| 01:43.42 | ajavid | and...? |
| 01:43.44 | markybob | httpd is redhat.... |
| 01:43.50 | ajavid | markybob, stop. |
| 01:43.56 | xeon-enouf | http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html |
| 01:44.01 | M06w | now I don't know if any of them are here, but I'm trying to make inspircd work, and would like to know how |
| 01:44.22 | BCM43 | M06w: what about it does not work? |
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| 01:44.36 | markybob | ajavid, no |
| 01:44.37 | M06w | at the moment, it's not allowed to make it's pid |
| 01:44.50 | xeon-enouf | is old, but should work - although a kot of /proc thermal/fan/sensors shit was moved to /sys |
| 01:45.31 | ajavid | markybob, fine, feed the troll. You may end up ignored too. |
| 01:45.36 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: you stop |
| 01:45.53 | markybob | ajavid, you ignoring me would not hurt my feelings in the least. in fact, i suggest that you do |
| 01:46.11 | xeon-enouf | BCM43: who gives a flying fuck about anything http? |
| 01:46.13 | ajavid | you failed to see the point. Do not feed the troll. |
| 01:46.15 | M06w | I'm not a troll, I'm just frustrated that all of these well known great programs don't work right without all sorts of normally unnecessary fiddling |
| 01:46.16 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 01:46.18 | ajavid | This isn't about your or me |
| 01:46.27 | ajavid | grow up. |
| 01:46.34 | xeon-enouf | m0 : who gives a flying fuck about anything http? |
| 01:46.38 | xeon-enouf | hehe |
| 01:46.42 | M06w | M! |
| 01:46.43 | xeon-enouf | M06w: : who gives a flying fuck about anything http? |
| 01:46.54 | M06w | at the moment, nobody |
| 01:46.58 | xeon-enouf | enjoys some sirloin bbq and veges done ala vinagrette and fresh boiled ears of corn ;-) |
| 01:47.01 | M06w | I'm on to irc at the moment |
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| 01:47.21 | M06w | so how do I make it so inspircd can make it's pid |
| 01:47.24 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: stfu please - thank you ;-) |
| 01:47.33 | xeon-enouf | M06w: you too |
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| 01:48.07 | BCM43 | xeon-enouf: it seems to need a shell script. Damn |
| 01:48.36 | xeon-enouf | BCM43: dude - sorry - i'm preparing meal ;-) |
| 01:48.37 | PassingStranger | BCM43: still not sure. do you mean somethin basic as 'halt' or 'shutdown -h now'? |
| 01:49.37 | BCM43 | PassingStranger: no, a low power mode that keeps the ram up. |
| 01:49.40 | PassingStranger | xeon-enouf: you appear to be drunk. or something... ;) |
| 01:50.50 | ajavid | !art |
| 01:50.50 | dpkg | somebody said art was out to lunch |
| 01:51.16 | PassingStranger | BCM43: ahh, finally! suspend to ram... i'm not using stuff like that. next please. |
| 01:51.27 | BCM43 | PassingStranger: lol |
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| 01:54.18 | dingus9 | xeon-enouf: are you on dialup??? |
| 01:54.35 | dingus9 | xeon-enouf: is your mom on dialup |
| 01:54.45 | xeon-enouf | PassingStranger: nah, just hungry..,, so i eat ;-) |
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| 01:55.18 | xeon-enouf | PassingStranger: many people in this world do not have that luxury |
| 01:55.37 | xeon-enouf | dingus9: yes and yes .. and? |
| 01:55.48 | dingus9 | xeon-enouf: ;) |
| 01:56.09 | dingus9 | xeon-enouf: I am trying to maximize my bandwidth utilzation thats all... |
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| 01:56.48 | xeon-enouf | "all your bandwidth r belongz to uz!" |
| 01:57.07 | dingus9 | 1296 packages does still take a while to download |
| 01:57.25 | dingus9 | xeon-enouf: nope only my base bandwidth |
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| 01:58.14 | PassingStranger | xeon-enouf: is there a personal sgenda thing coming up? ;) |
| 02:00.31 | dingus9 | ah-ha I'll generate a download script then split the file into x parts and replace the url with my desired mirriors woot! |
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| 02:02.59 | M06w | how do I tell what's using a port and/or kill it |
| 02:03.22 | markybob | M06w, man netstat |
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| 02:05.13 | xeon-enouf | PassingStranger: if i did; i'd likely have some nice corporate sounding theme song to go along with the fact i'm stealing and overcharging for all their available fresh water -- and, even if they have _some_ food, it ain't near what i'm eating |
| 02:06.06 | M06w | markybob, when it lists everything the port isn't being used |
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| 02:08.43 | markybob | M06w, that's why you read what it says. sometimes it lists the port, sometimes it lists the services. 80 becomes *:www and proxy becomes 3128. sudo netstat -l and *read* |
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| 02:09.37 | PassingStranger | xeon-enouf: the world needs to be a better place, yes yes. let the #debian channel know your solution... ;) |
| 02:10.10 | delay | hi. I'm interested in installing ms office 2007 -- can anyone refer me to some resource or guide that has instructions on getting it with wine or however I can? (and, no, sorry, can't use OOo, higher powers are telling me that I *have* to get office :() |
| 02:10.12 | M06w | ok, so then how do I kill it |
| 02:10.27 | markybob | you kill -KILL the pid that it shows, dude |
| 02:11.51 | xeon-enouf | PassingStranger: a) stop anything/everything to do with manned space exploration until there;s harmony and peace on Earth (which will never happen) but it will save QUINTILLIONS! in our *stupid* monetary-based society |
| 02:11.59 | xeon-enouf | ... ready for b) ? |
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| 02:12.48 | M06w | B) kill everybody? |
| 02:13.09 | Caelum | I forgot to run make-kpkg under fakeroot, anything I can do to finish it without rebuilding the whole kernel? |
| 02:13.13 | iateadonut | space exploration is great! |
| 02:13.17 | xeon-enouf | no, M06w everyone down |
| 02:13.40 | M06w | down? |
| 02:13.48 | markybob | Caelum, no |
| 02:14.03 | iateadonut | militarization of space, maybe not so good, but that's the way we're going and there's no stopping it. |
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| 02:14.21 | xeon-enouf | M06w: are you dyslexic? |
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| 02:14.29 | |micheal| | can someone help me please? my rsnapshot wont backup to my other computer xD the backup on the local machine works, but my computer wont send the backup to my other machine |
| 02:15.00 | iateadonut | without space exploration, how would we put vast amounts of solar panels in space and microwave beam them down? we wouldn't have plentiful cheap energy to fuel all our servant robots without it you know. |
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| 02:15.13 | xeon-enouf | Caelum: what? doesn't matter except for installing |
| 02:15.36 | xeon-enouf | has a donut for dessert |
| 02:16.01 | M06w | xeon, so what if I am, are you racist against my kind? |
| 02:16.33 | xeon-enouf | no, i have empathy for you |
| 02:16.47 | Caelum | xeon-enouf: it does, the debian scripts require root for building the package |
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| 02:17.00 | PassingStranger | xeon-enouf: are you suggesting that stopping space exploration will miraclously stop world hunger? |
| 02:17.07 | xeon-enouf | Caelum: no they don't |
| 02:17.43 | Caelum | xeon-enouf: http://scsys.co.uk:8001/33435 see |
| 02:17.49 | xeon-enouf | PassingStranger: no, but it's enough to get you to make insane extrapolations ;-) |
| 02:17.50 | homecable | M06w do you own a little yellow school bus ? |
| 02:17.59 | xeon-enouf | hahaha |
| 02:18.13 | M06w | why would I own one? |
| 02:18.19 | homecable | well dont forget to pick up xeon-enouf on the way :P |
| 02:18.42 | M06w | dude, if I owned a schoolbus, it would be far too pimped out for xeon to be allowed anywhere near it |
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| 02:19.36 | PassingStranger | shakes head in amazement and promises not to spam the channel for quite some time... ;) |
| 02:19.41 | xeon-enouf | Caelum: do you really think i should care what some website says when i have real-world experience? (though , i will admit, i haven't revisited this issue in a LONG time, so i _might_ be mistaken) though i doubt it |
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| 02:20.23 | xeon-enouf | passes homecable some free Dialup so he might one day, get a clue |
| 02:21.07 | Caelum | that's a paste from my terminal |
| 02:22.19 | homecable | M06w you going to uber you're bus ? |
| 02:22.27 | smacnay | My 8 year-old has figured out a password for this comp. All he does is play bzflag early in the morning and thinks he is doing it without our knowledge. I would like to have some voice prog read a message to him on one of his logins and also have my webcam record his reaction. Should be simple to do? I think it would be hilarious as he is still pretty naive about computers and would be completely spooked by this. |
| 02:22.31 | xeon-enouf | Caelum: try visiting the kernel-package maintainers website/blogs and READ /usr/share/{kernel-package,doc}/kernel-package |
| 02:22.40 | xeon-enouf | add one ' |
| 02:22.56 | M06w | uber is for lame people, my bus will be bitchin |
| 02:23.20 | xeon-enouf | !pimpthe3stoogesridesmite me |
| 02:24.04 | M06w | my bus will contain smaller vehicles that will be able to leave the buss at highway speed |
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| 02:24.22 | homecable | M06w ur a geek that lives at home with no job.. you're only good for is making heat :P |
| 02:24.40 | M06w | and yomamma jokes |
| 02:24.45 | trnzmeta | guys: I'm doing a tar snapshot of lenny server, do I need to include the emul dir? |
| 02:24.47 | xeon-enouf | smacks shemp about the head with M06w curly doo |
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| 02:26.01 | xeon-enouf | trnzmeta: that's a nonsensical question without much more context |
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| 02:26.27 | homecable | M06w well get out more and stay off the pc its fucking ur head up |
| 02:26.33 | |micheal| | someone has expiereince with rsnapshot damn? where to add the backupserver? rsnapshot wont send the backup |
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| 02:27.25 | homecable | thats ur problem you cant get a job because they dont want you next to a pc because you might uber hump the harddrive what ever you geeks call it |
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| 02:27.54 | homecable | or is it called bitchin the drive |
| 02:28.23 | |micheal| | someone has expiereince with rsnapshot damn? where to add the backupserver? rsnapshot wont send the backup |
| 02:28.39 | |micheal| | and can help me please? |
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| 02:28.52 | |micheal| | i am really pleased to that : ) |
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| 02:29.11 | PassingStranger | smacnay: that sounds like a terrible, terrible idea. 'punishment' (or freakin out a 8-year old) over education is not the way to go, IMNSHO anyway... |
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| 02:29.50 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: practical jokes for your 8 yr old ? sounds preposterous to me |
| 02:31.12 | M06w | homecabe, why would I want that to stop? |
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| 02:31.42 | smacnay | PassingStranger, xeon-enouf if you knew him, you might think otherwise... anyway... |
| 02:31.47 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: on your part ... for not facing the facts and teaching your child ... for lack of a better term, morals/values/judgement |
| 02:32.43 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: yeah. well - i'm sure you could get a pretty penny for him if you really wanted to |
| 02:32.49 | smacnay | xeon-enouf, oh, we have. He is a gifted liar and gets called on it all the time. this is one situation where I prefer he not know that we know. |
| 02:33.35 | xeon-enouf | that's the amount of respect and chivalry you exude for such suggesting such nonsenst |
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| 02:34.09 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: he LEARNED to become what he is (for the most part) |
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| 02:34.15 | smacnay | xeon-enouf, not only do we confront him on many things that he does, he has the gall to deny wrong-doing to the point of tears and yelling. I swear he will make a great lawyer if he ever puts his mind to it. |
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| 02:34.48 | smacnay | xeon-enouf, not sure where he learned it from... |
| 02:35.06 | xeon-enouf | ok - as you want - it's not my kid - i tried to guide ... but ok, have it your way Mr BurgerKing |
| 02:35.34 | acu | I have a AMD 64 X2 with 2GB Ram - installed Squeeze and the fans are spining faster almost all the time - I found a widget for some temperature monitor but the temp is in F and is not clear what exactly devices are monitored - is any way that I can get the CPU temperature ? |
| 02:36.28 | smacnay | xeon-enouf, BurgerKing? reference to the Whopper? Anyway, thanks for the feedback. |
| 02:36.39 | acu | CPU temperature in Celsius - (the one I see now are in Fahrenheit and they show two 141 or so F while the other sare 129 |
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| 02:36.54 | Caelum | ok, I commented out the clean targets and now it's packaging the kernel |
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| 02:37.06 | Caelum | and I don't have to wait another day to compile it, yay |
| 02:37.39 | markybob | Caelum, if it takes you a day to compile a kernel, you're doing something seriously wrong |
| 02:37.58 | markybob | Caelum, for instance, install and configure ccache! |
| 02:38.11 | PassingStranger | smacnay: i know there are people who are 'pathological'. just one phrase along the way (and i mean it metaphorical, i.e. not to the letter): violence begets violence... |
| 02:38.29 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: http://www.google.com/search?q=have+it+your+way+Burger+King&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
| 02:39.14 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: the 'whopper'.. is in my pants.. and only available to my SO |
| 02:39.42 | smacnay | hahaha - I forgot all about the BK slogan "Have it your way". |
| 02:40.54 | xeon-enouf | Caelum: sounds like you're compiling on a 486 ... or older :-P |
| 02:41.05 | smacnay | PassingStranger, my son is interesting - will argue a point until he is blue in the face and is sneaky - he doesn't concern me too much. This behaviour is, apparently, common for 8 year-old boys. |
| 02:42.32 | smacnay | PassingStranger, not to say that I don't call him to the floor when he does things that are not acceptable (waking at 6AM and sneaking 20 min of bzflag but being happy and ready to go to school is not entirely desirable but I have learned to pick my battles). |
| 02:42.35 | Caelum | markybob: compiling on an eeepc |
| 02:43.36 | markybob | Caelum, and? you can install ccache on that. also, ever heard of distcc? |
| 02:43.40 | smacnay | PassingStranger, stealing gets him in big trouble every time we catch him. - he is either stealing his sister's candy less or we just aren't catching him as much - anyway, enough about him. |
| 02:44.21 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: you know .. as a possible parent (who knows wtf you are :-P), you could limit computer usage times, in many ways |
| 02:45.10 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: there we go - he learned it from his sister - girls mature much faster than boys, and are smarter in general :-) |
| 02:45.24 | smacnay | xeon-enouf, we do - the password issue is something I can change easily (and actually have). |
| 02:45.50 | xeon-enouf | tries to move on ... |
| 02:46.11 | smacnay | xeon-enouf, actually, his older sister can't tell a lie to save her life and thinks and lives in an entirely different realm than he does. He is a strategist and she is intuitive. |
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| 02:47.39 | smacnay | xeon-enouf, I have beautiful bright children who will be fun to raise. |
| 02:47.46 | smacnay | enough said |
| 02:48.23 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: well... moving on, i wish you and your offspring well .. no matter how small a bus you travelled upon to get to/from school O_o |
| 02:48.37 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: (just kidding) |
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| 02:49.17 | smacnay | xeon-enouf, man - I can't get your references tonight... got another link for me about buses?? |
| 02:49.24 | xeon-enouf | they sound half-way there - and don't seem to be doing so well :-P |
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| 02:49.43 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: nm ;-) |
| 02:49.56 | terrestre | someone knows how to set a HPA area in a HDD or any hdparm user? |
| 02:49.58 | acu | so strange to see social discussion on debian - however take it easy guys - every parent see their kids as geniuses until they hit high school - than the reality creeps in :) |
| 02:50.45 | smacnay | acu, I can hardly wait - my kids are not geniuses. |
| 02:51.08 | acu | what matter most anyhow is emotional inteligence - it determines 90% of success and good life - IQ only 10% (IQ is overated - but average IQ drops to a moronic level and gets endemic spreat) |
| 02:51.36 | smacnay | acu, my IQ has already fallen through the seat of my pants. |
| 02:51.48 | superjet_busy | dosemu no sound after adjust according to /usr.../dosemu/..., any suggestion? |
| 02:52.14 | terrestre | acu, I didnt know that, but make totally sense |
| 02:52.43 | smacnay | acu, I have heard that and agree... |
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| 02:52.53 | smacnay | is away |
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| 02:55.10 | acu | The main point being that Emotional Inteligence with its five pillars (Awareness (of your emotions - Control of our emotions, Empathy, Motivation and social skills) have neurobiological and evolutionary foundation (aka how we are wired) and they can be (and are) continuosly improved - but it takes more than common sense - it takes understanding of a bit how our brain works and a bit of awareness - which leads to constant paradigm adjustment - (otherwise every |
| 02:55.10 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.07 | xeon-enouf | acu: and a monster truck rally .. and nascar ..and bush administration ;-) |
| 02:58.51 | acu | well smacnay - to finish this offtopic discussion - you mention about the IQ slipping - fighting this beautiful beast which is called debian - either breaks us or keeps us fresh (combined with a bit of masochism) we at least use our brain daily (and if you use it, is like muscle - you keep it) |
| 02:59.37 | xeon-enouf | has some organs that act muscular at times ;-) |
| 02:59.53 | terrestre | lol |
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| 03:03.18 | acu | xeon-enouf: indeed - sorry to say it but most people are morons (both as IQ and EQ) the schools including universities are just PLACEBO for inteligence - you wonder in Universities and there are barely some real useful discussions (scientific or social) - but you see kids every night drinking until they vomit (sorry for my vulgar expression) - I have just seen on netflix a documentary Stupidity and man, that was a wake up call - I always thought we are in pri |
| 03:03.18 | acu | mitivism - but somehow I expected people to be inteligent and good - but they are saying that this things cannot be truly faked - and the true nature of all of us - surfaces - and many times we found ourselves alone and f*** up - see this elderly people complete useless - instead of being gems of our society - they are some totally decrepit which only eat and make caca - but perhaps this is how it should be - a life of slavery in total dark - and an end in an |
| 03:03.19 | acu | nursing home |
| 03:03.38 | racecar56 | my volume up/down/mute keys aren't working properly, using debian 5.0.2 with kde 3.5.10, e.g. binding kmix to the keys dosen't make anything happen in the key binder dialog, keyboard is "Bus 003 Device 006: ID 0443:002e Gateway, Inc. Millennium Keyboard" according to lsusb |
| 03:05.15 | xeon-enouf | acu: sorry... i understand your sentiment, completely and entirely ... however, i need to correct spelling of "intelligent" and "decrepid" ;-) |
| 03:05.24 | acu | :) thanks |
| 03:06.18 | xeon-enouf | acu: i'm amazed we're allowed to delve this deep here - and it' |
| 03:06.18 | acu | I am almost perfect :) except my BMI |
| 03:06.18 | acu | LOL |
| 03:06.18 | acu | I know |
| 03:06.18 | macrobat | acu, lm-sensors? |
| 03:06.32 | xeon-enouf | s rare, and i think we/you/i/us/they shuold continue elsewhere, yes? |
| 03:07.45 | xeon-enouf | i have fat fingers and almost always hit the stupid enter key which some fucken idiot put so close next to the ' key |
| 03:08.17 | acu | I installed mbmon and smbmon I get some numbers but they are not saying from where (CPU, motherboard, Hard disk) then tther are rot (rotations per minute) but there are no specifics - CPU fan or Case fun etc |
| 03:08.18 | xeon-enouf | acu: see what i have to deal with? ;-) |
| 03:08.37 | racecar56 | here is some xev output on the 3 keys: http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f5367d904 |
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| 03:11.48 | xeon-enouf | racecar56: it's so ridiculously complicated, all i can say is open kcontrol and make your bindings |
| 03:12.26 | xeon-enouf | under Accessibility area ... or whatever it is |
| 03:13.05 | xeon-enouf | racecar56: i'd rather do rocket science .. using chinese algebra |
| 03:14.42 | acu | xeon-enouf #debian-offtopic is there - but I would prefer to reach concrete conclusion for action from what we talk - how to make this world a better place - to stop hunger, anger, violence agression, financial disaster (which is still a form of stupidity), disease etc |
| 03:15.24 | xeon-enouf | acu: apologies on the latter spelling; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&ei=JYagSueKIoGrlAec3-GUDA&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=define%3Adecrepit&spell=1 i'm an idiot ;-) |
| 03:15.43 | terrestre | close every IRC server could be a start |
| 03:15.43 | racecar56 | xeon-enouf: it dosen't print anything in the dialog when i press the key |
| 03:16.15 | racecar56 | xeon-enouf: this computer is rather old/funny so this is no suprise |
| 03:16.45 | macrobat | racecar56: there is xbindkeys, i use it for the media keys on my kboard |
| 03:17.15 | xeon-enouf | acu: aye |
| 03:17.29 | acu | xeon-enouf: Charlie Chaplin said that we live to short to become good in anything, we merely can reach some level of amateurism - knowing a word spelling is not a big deal - is the intention behind we say or do what matters |
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| 03:18.34 | acu | is the essence of what it is what matters not how we name it - is the essence of the flower, not the word itself |
| 03:18.51 | xeon-enouf | ".. live /too/ short ..." and Einstein said; i have no use to remember that which can easily be looked up in tables |
| 03:19.20 | xeon-enouf | acu: ;-) |
| 03:20.05 | xeon-enouf | acu: i only do that to _try_ and _concretely_ help non-native english users/speakers/writers ... that |
| 03:20.39 | acu | yep but you still have to have some backbone (background) otherwise any alzheimer patient could be Einstein - everything is in internet - cure for cancer, molecular reasons why we age, erectile disfunction, neurobiology of divorce etc - the answer is there - but the right question is what matters |
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| 03:21.03 | acu | xeon-enouf: thanks for help - I am non-native speaker |
| 03:21.05 | Dryanta | wow |
| 03:21.07 | Dryanta | thats deep |
| 03:21.10 | xeon-enouf | acu: but as you so well point out. 'clarity' and 'meaning' comes in many forms ;-) |
| 03:21.10 | Dryanta | like indian deep |
| 03:21.44 | acu | LOL |
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| 03:22.49 | racecar56 | macrobat: problem with that is i don't think you can decrease/increase/mute volume in the command line >_< |
| 03:23.23 | acu | Dryanta: you make me think of my childhood books by Karl May - Winnetou and Old Surehand - it was fascinating how violence was mingled with goodness and wiseness |
| 03:24.01 | acu | wisdom |
| 03:24.01 | nevyn | racecar56: of course you can with setvol and friends |
| 03:24.07 | Dryanta | many good wise men have been forced to resort to violence |
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| 03:25.46 | acu | I think we will be ending kicked out from the channel - we test the Reptilian brain of our debian fellows - and if we are kicked out- our Reptilian brain - rejection will make us feel bad - we can move to off topic - I have a lot of things to do but I can enjoy some discussions off topic |
| 03:25.58 | racecar56 | nevyn: how do you get that -_- |
| 03:26.30 | nevyn | racecar56: brb |
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| 03:26.34 | xeon-enouf | acu: think Music and Art ... most times not a word spoken, not a word written ; yet feeling, meaning, purpose ... somehow stirred/addressed/confronted/conveyed ... and so on |
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| 03:27.16 | acu | Xeon-enouf come to #debian-offtopic (I know the answer for that one :) |
| 03:27.28 | acu | Dryanta come too |
| 03:27.35 | xeon-enouf | sleeps instead ;-) |
| 03:27.51 | terrestre | can i go too |
| 03:27.51 | terrestre | lol |
| 03:27.56 | acu | LOL |
| 03:28.23 | nevyn | racecar56: aumix has tools as part of it. |
| 03:29.18 | acu | There is silence in #debian-offtopic - those people want to keep their mental noise to bay - they want to experience NOW - what is everything and what we miss living in past (which is synthetic) or future (which is more synthetic) |
| 03:29.25 | racecar56 | nevyn: that won't work |
| 03:29.26 | |micheal| | why no one can tell me about the command "rsnapshot sync" !!! Thanks for this information themill and Titan8990 rsnapshot seems to be working |
| 03:29.30 | |micheal| | thanks alot. |
| 03:29.33 | nevyn | racecar56: ? |
| 03:29.44 | racecar56 | nevyn: the -real- issue is that the key isn't being seen right by linux |
| 03:30.00 | nevyn | oh... |
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| 03:30.12 | nevyn | I thought that bit was solved with hotkeys |
| 03:30.18 | racecar56 | nevyn: when i try to bind kmix's increase volume to the volume up button it dosen't do anything :( |
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| 03:30.53 | DelphiWorld | hi all, please i have a problem about my apt repositorys |
| 03:31.04 | DelphiWorld | i'm runing debian 4 etch |
| 03:31.20 | DelphiWorld | i see only the cdrom source in the /etc/apt/sourcelist |
| 03:31.33 | DelphiWorld | how i can get aditional repository? |
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| 03:31.42 | nevyn | apt-setup |
| 03:32.15 | DelphiWorld | nevyn: ok, thanks, while try it |
| 03:32.15 | racecar56 | it seems that my acpi also doesn't work >_< |
| 03:32.18 | nevyn | or you can just edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand. (but use apt-setup) |
| 03:32.45 | DelphiWorld | nevyn: i'm pretty hapy with my debian today ;) |
| 03:32.56 | DelphiWorld | debian + freeswitch is my life |
| 03:33.25 | racecar56 | when i press the power button it goes *instantly* off like i unplugged the comp, when i use acpi=force on the kernel that doesn't help at all, acpi works fine in windows at the time i used it |
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| 03:35.09 | debiano | hello! question, how do I set up a connection "wlan0" wireless |
| 03:35.18 | debiano | says, network is down, I can't use iwlist scan |
| 03:35.23 | DelphiWorld | nevyn: apt-setup? |
| 03:35.25 | racecar56 | debhelper: wpa_supplicant can help |
| 03:35.27 | DelphiWorld | don't work |
| 03:36.03 | racecar56 | debhelper: aptitude install wpasupplicant |
| 03:36.13 | racecar56 | oops wrong person |
| 03:36.25 | racecar56 | debiano: those messages at debhelper were ment for you |
| 03:36.33 | racecar56 | *meant |
| 03:36.34 | macrobat | racecar56: amixer set Master 8dB- doesnt work in cli?? |
| 03:37.00 | racecar56 | macrobat: it does |
| 03:37.04 | racecar56 | macrobat: i think |
| 03:37.09 | racecar56 | macrobat: it printed something |
| 03:37.24 | macrobat | play some music and listen :) |
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| 03:37.56 | macrobat | i have such things bound to keys |
| 03:38.25 | racecar56 | macrobat: it is different |
| 03:38.41 | racecar56 | macrobat: full blast X.X |
| 03:38.54 | racecar56 | macrobat: don't worry it wasn't that loud |
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| 03:39.33 | racecar56 | macrobat: well, it changes my volume in kmix so i guess that should help |
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| 03:39.52 | DelphiWorld | debhelper: libssl |
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| 03:40.16 | racecar56 | macrobat: what i want my volume up button to do is increase volume, by 10% would be cool |
| 03:40.19 | macrobat | kmix is a frontend, if you change the volume in another way, kmix shows it |
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| 03:40.44 | DelphiWorld | apt-setup don't work? why? |
| 03:40.52 | macrobat | racecar56: http://pastebin.com/d18bbdaf5 |
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| 03:41.24 | macrobat | have your X session read the .xbindkeysrc |
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| 03:41.56 | debiaano | Please, hello, how do I set a network up, cuz iwlist scan says, wlan0 network is down, please! |
| 03:42.31 | macrobat | aptitude install wpasupplicant |
| 03:43.03 | macrobat | grovelling doesnt help :) |
| 03:43.38 | racecar56 | macrobat: restart X? |
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| 03:43.49 | debiaano_ | Please, hello, how do I set a network up, cuz iwlist scan says, wlan0 network is down, please! |
| 03:44.26 | macrobat | racecar56: no. xbindkeys -f .xbindkeysrc |
| 03:44.41 | racecar56 | macrobat: k |
| 03:44.44 | macrobat | debiaano: learn to read first |
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| 03:45.04 | racecar56 | macrobat: it seems the key still doesn't work |
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| 03:45.27 | macrobat | you have xbindkeys installed? |
| 03:45.30 | racecar56 | macrobat: yes |
| 03:47.03 | CrimsonKing | how do i change my default window manager, like.. from xfce to dwm? |
| 03:47.06 | macrobat | use xbindkeys -k to read keys, to have something to put in your config |
| 03:47.46 | macrobat | CrimsonKing: if you use startx to start X you do changes in your .xinitrc file |
| 03:48.08 | CrimsonKing | ok, so where is that file? :-) |
| 03:48.24 | macrobat | you write it in your ~ |
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| 03:48.54 | CrimsonKing | in my ~ there is no such file, so i presume it works another way then? |
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| 03:49.45 | macrobat | i guess it reads /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 03:49.51 | tonhe | is trying to remove postgresql on his server, it was automagicly installed by something... |
| 03:50.09 | tonhe | when I try to remove it, it wants to remove virtualmin-base aswell |
| 03:50.31 | tonhe | how can I remove a package, without removing others ? |
| 03:50.34 | macrobat | virtualmin-base is likely your culprit, then |
| 03:51.19 | macrobat | a pkg will not work without its dependencies satisfied |
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| 03:51.32 | tonhe | isnt a big users of apt-get .. i really just know the basics. |
| 03:51.45 | tonhe | Hmm. I don't even have postgre running, virtualmin works fine |
| 03:51.56 | tonhe | virtualmin website shows postgre as optional, not required |
| 03:52.05 | tonhe | http://www.virtualmin.com/documentation/installation/manual |
| 03:52.08 | brbrbr | tonhe, try "apt-get --help" ;) |
| 03:52.17 | macrobat | you have to read up, tonhe :) |
| 03:52.31 | macrobat | i prefer aptitude |
| 03:52.48 | racecar56 | agrees with macrobat |
| 03:53.04 | tonhe | I read apt-get help and the man page |
| 03:53.08 | brbrbr | warmly greet everybody |
| 03:53.10 | brbrbr | synaptic also not bad. in case you use UI and X11 |
| 03:53.16 | tonhe | no gui |
| 03:53.18 | CrimsonKing | macrobat: not bad, xinitrc is fine.. it leads me to xsessionrc which i also don't have |
| 03:53.24 | CrimsonKing | greps for "xfce" now, lol |
| 03:53.26 | tonhe | thats why I don't like aptitude, its annoying to use from the console |
| 03:53.28 | brbrbr | type "apt-get install synaptic" and hit "y" key ;) |
| 03:53.30 | racecar56 | anyone here experience ACPI not working right (power button turns off comp like you unplugged it)? |
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| 03:53.47 | macrobat | CrimsonKing: how do you start your X session? |
| 03:53.59 | CrimsonKing | i wish i knew :p it starts automatically. |
| 03:54.07 | tonhe | so, is there a way to remove the package, or am I just going to have to deal with the wasted disk space ? |
| 03:54.13 | CrimsonKing | took the debian net installer, chose xfce, booted, there it was |
| 03:54.15 | CrimsonKing | ;-) |
| 03:54.24 | tonhe | is paying for a VPS, so I'd rather not waste any space.... |
| 03:54.45 | \amethyst | tonhe: what does dpkg-query -s virtualmin-base say about the dependencies? |
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| 03:55.12 | \amethyst | tonhe: perhaps it's a Recommends:, or perhaps it depends on either mysql or postgres and you don't have the mysql package installed? |
| 03:55.29 | tonhe | I have mysql installed |
| 03:55.33 | tonhe | I'm using mysql |
| 03:55.40 | tonhe | postgresql, postgresql-client, are listed as Depends: |
| 03:55.53 | \amethyst | tonhe: well, then the package depends on postgres |
| 03:55.55 | macrobat | CrimsonKing: there are commands to start different wm, for example openbox-session, awesome |
| 03:56.00 | tonhe | But it doesnt ! |
| 03:56.04 | tonhe | I've used virutal min for years |
| 03:56.07 | tonhe | just not on debian |
| 03:56.24 | \amethyst | tonhe: they apparently made their debian packages depend on postgres |
| 03:56.37 | \amethyst | tonhe: you'll have to take it up with the people who made that package |
| 03:56.44 | tonhe | so, there is no way to remove it |
| 03:56.54 | tonhe | other than manually removing the flies it installed |
| 03:56.59 | \amethyst | tonhe: you could try using equivs to make fake postgresql packages, but there's no guarantee virtualmin will continue to work |
| 03:57.34 | macrobat | manually removing files seems like a bad idea :) |
| 03:57.34 | CrimsonKing | macrobat: awesome says "there's already a wm running" :)) .. |
| 03:57.35 | tonhe | i'll just leave it disabled for now.. its just annoying wasting all the disk space.. |
| 03:57.40 | CrimsonKing | (so does dwm) |
| 03:57.49 | CrimsonKing | so i'd have to exit xfce first |
| 03:57.52 | CrimsonKing | but how? :) |
| 03:58.09 | tonhe | did a double take when he was postgre running |
| 03:58.21 | tonhe | wasn't sure when, or why it got installed.. |
| 03:58.24 | macrobat | i have a "log out " option in my menu, CrimsonKing |
| 03:59.23 | racecar56 | anyone have an idea how i can improve preformance on a intel 845g? (yes, you saw that right) |
| 03:59.48 | racecar56 | you can see windows redraw themselves |
| 03:59.50 | nevyn | which bit of performance? |
| 03:59.55 | nevyn | oh.. that bit. |
| 03:59.57 | CrimsonKing | macrobat: ah, i managed it with the "safe mode" terminal login option.. |
| 04:00.16 | tonhe | ok |
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| 04:00.19 | CrimsonKing | now i need to figure out how to make it the default :)) |
| 04:00.21 | macrobat | tonhe: apt-cache rdepends postgresql |
| 04:00.28 | tonhe | anyway, I'll contact virtualmin to see what their deal is |
| 04:00.30 | tonhe | ooh |
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| 04:00.59 | racecar56 | nevyn: and also moving windows is a little bit laggy but configuring X to use the open source intel driver helped quite a bit about the windows redrawing, but still there are odd issues |
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| 04:01.14 | tonhe | macrobat: oh, thats reverse dependencies eh? |
| 04:01.23 | tonhe | I thought that was for removing them ! |
| 04:01.51 | \amethyst | tonhe: note that most of the things on that list will actually depend on mysql | postgresql so don't necessarily have to be removed |
| 04:01.55 | macrobat | CrimsonKing: maybe in the .xsession file if you dont put it in .xinitrc |
| 04:02.03 | tonhe | nods.. |
| 04:02.06 | pacopil | online boxing game http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html |
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| 04:02.14 | nevyn | racecar56: assign more memory? |
| 04:02.20 | tonhe | i'll see what i can find out tomorrow |
| 04:02.36 | brbrbr | oh, great !! 1.1.28 WINE port is finally arrive to lamaresh depository for Debian |
| 04:02.41 | racecar56 | nevyn: isn't 1gb enough? |
| 04:02.54 | nevyn | racecar56: you assigned a gig to the shared video? |
| 04:03.00 | racecar56 | nevyn: it's kind of slow memory though |
| 04:03.05 | CrimsonKing | macrobat: yep.. i'd grep for it. thanks for your patience so far ;) |
| 04:03.07 | racecar56 | nevyn: pc2100 and pc2700 |
| 04:03.07 | nevyn | or you have a gig in the machine? |
| 04:03.14 | racecar56 | nevyn: in the machine |
| 04:03.20 | macrobat | CrimsonKing: there are ways to run multiple X sessions. like startx -- :1 |
| 04:03.23 | racecar56 | nevyn: the video ram is 64mb i -THINK- |
| 04:03.30 | racecar56 | nevyn: *video memory |
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| 04:03.34 | nevyn | racecar56: there IS no video memory |
| 04:03.44 | nevyn | racecar56: the video memory is a lie! |
| 04:03.50 | tonhe | I might be back tomorrow to see if someone can reccomend some tuning tips for lowering my memory usage |
| 04:03.52 | nevyn | much like the cake in that way... |
| 04:04.00 | brbrbr | stick to vesa modes(and X server), if unsure |
| 04:04.02 | racecar56 | nevyn: orly? |
| 04:04.14 | tonhe | Using around 375mb now with my websites idle and no mail processing going on... |
| 04:04.18 | brbrbr | shared video memry ? |
| 04:04.29 | CrimsonKing | macrobat: yep.. i'd have to edit the xinitrc anyway ;) |
| 04:04.34 | tonhe | crap, laptop about to die... thanks for the help, see you guys tomorrow |
| 04:04.34 | nevyn | racecar56: it's a Shared memory video card. |
| 04:04.42 | racecar56 | how do i find out how much shared memory i have? |
| 04:04.45 | racecar56 | lshw? |
| 04:04.59 | nevyn | read the X log |
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| 04:06.24 | racecar56 | nevyn: can't find it ._. |
| 04:06.24 | CrimsonKing | oh.. fsck failed |
| 04:06.26 | CrimsonKing | brb -.- |
| 04:07.03 | nevyn | ok so there's a couple of things |
| 04:07.11 | Wicked | !aptitude |
| 04:07.11 | dpkg | aptitude is, like, a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
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| 04:07.50 | nevyn | racecar56: /var/log/Xsomething |
| 04:08.04 | nevyn | racecar56: should be X.0.log or maybe Xorg.0.log |
| 04:08.06 | racecar56 | nevyn: i can't find the amount there is what i meant |
| 04:08.13 | racecar56 | nevyn: it was Xorg.0.log |
| 04:08.41 | nevyn | racecar56: run xres |
| 04:08.58 | nevyn | which should show xresource usage and what app is responcible etc. |
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| 04:12.59 | racecar56 | nevyn: that command doesn't exist :\ even under root |
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| 04:14.08 | criacuervo | hi |
| 04:14.31 | criacuervo | hi |
| 04:16.04 | criacuervo | everybody |
| 04:16.08 | macrobat | !hello |
| 04:16.08 | dpkg | Hi, macrobat! |
| 04:16.08 | racecar56 | hi |
| 04:16.10 | criacuervo | i have a question |
| 04:16.20 | criacuervo | i hope you can help me |
| 04:16.25 | macrobat | !ask |
| 04:16.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:16.26 | racecar56 | bring it on |
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| 04:16.41 | criacuervo | how can change the tty size to one smaller? |
| 04:17.00 | criacuervo | so i can see tux booting and all of that |
| 04:17.10 | ajavid | !microdia |
| 04:17.35 | criacuervo | is in menu.lst? |
| 04:17.54 | ajavid | hey |
| 04:18.03 | criacuervo | if is in there , where do i have to write vga=791 |
| 04:18.04 | criacuervo | ? |
| 04:18.07 | ajavid | I just found out my lcd has a webcam built in conencted via usb |
| 04:18.16 | ajavid | I do lsbusb and I get Bus 007 Device 002: ID 0c45:6300 Microdia |
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| 04:18.24 | ajavid | I'm trying to find a linux driver for it |
| 04:18.25 | macrobat | criacuervo: yes, after the kernel line |
| 04:18.28 | ajavid | any ideas |
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| 04:18.58 | twiadpaws | hi guys |
| 04:19.05 | macrobat | criacuervo: it will be erased after the next kernel install |
| 04:19.36 | racecar56 | ajatollah: use a webcam viewer i guess |
| 04:19.43 | racecar56 | ajatollah: is there a /dev/video0? |
| 04:19.51 | \amethyst | ajavid: http://repo.or.cz/w/microdia.git http://groups.google.com/group/microdia |
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| 04:20.24 | twiadpaws | i have set up a linux machine to act as a wireless host. what else is needed to access folders on a windows machine through that host? |
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| 04:20.25 | macrobat | criacuervo: so you put it on the end of the # kopt line |
| 04:20.49 | twiadpaws | $ |
| 04:21.43 | macrobat | twiadpaws: maybe samba? |
| 04:21.52 | ajavid | \amethyst, http://paste.debian.net/45667/ |
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| 04:22.10 | ajavid | \amethyst, seems to be working alright |
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| 04:22.19 | ajavid | I did nothing but install uvc player |
| 04:22.23 | \amethyst | ajavid: oh, hm |
| 04:23.14 | twiadpaws | macrobat, ow, yeh, didn't even think of that. used it before but didn't know wheter it would work in case of such a, well, passthru |
| 04:23.50 | racecar56 | ajavid: those messages at ajatollah were meant for you (just realized i got wrong username >_<) |
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| 04:24.24 | \amethyst | racecar56: that's specific to GNU sed |
| 04:24.26 | \amethyst | doh |
| 04:24.33 | \amethyst | racecar56: sorry, wrong channel, wrong nick-complete |
| 04:24.47 | racecar56 | \amethyst: i do that alot |
| 04:25.10 | ajavid | I wouldn't know |
| 04:25.16 | macrobat | there are a lot of idle users here, namespace is filled to the brim :) |
| 04:25.18 | ajavid | racecar56, yes |
| 04:25.21 | ajavid | racecar56, http://paste.debian.net/45667/ |
| 04:25.30 | ajavid | racecar56, its fine, records video, dumps in avi format, records audio |
| 04:25.35 | ajavid | captures images |
| 04:25.40 | racecar56 | cool |
| 04:25.40 | ajavid | I didn't have to install ANY drivers |
| 04:25.48 | ajavid | I just aptitude install luvcview |
| 04:25.50 | ajavid | thats it |
| 04:25.54 | racecar56 | :> |
| 04:26.01 | ajavid | debian <3 |
| 04:26.12 | racecar56 | i wish i could get acpi working that easy |
| 04:26.41 | ajavid | ⥠Debian GNU/Linux |
| 04:26.45 | ajavid | :D |
| 04:26.57 | ajavid | Unicode U+2665 (in case you wonder) |
| 04:27.07 | racecar56 | it didn't come out right for me |
| 04:27.13 | ajavid | racecar56, get a better terminal/client |
| 04:27.18 | ajavid | racecar56, utf8 > * |
| 04:27.32 | racecar56 | ajavid: :| |
| 04:27.43 | ajavid | racecar56, or you can force irssi to start in screen with unicode.. screen -U |
| 04:27.50 | racecar56 | ajavid: i am not using irssi |
| 04:27.58 | ajavid | well then you suck |
| 04:27.58 | ajavid | :) |
| 04:28.03 | racecar56 | :( |
| 04:28.10 | nevyn | ajavid: ooh thanks |
| 04:28.17 | racecar56 | i'm just using what i want to use......... |
| 04:28.22 | nevyn | I was wondering how to fix the unicode splats.. |
| 04:28.24 | nevyn | awesome. |
| 04:28.33 | ajavid | man screen |
| 04:28.36 | ajavid | it really helps. |
| 04:28.38 | ajavid | yw |
| 04:28.55 | racecar56 | i don't suck because of the client i use |
| 04:28.58 | ajavid | racecar56, what you want to use doesn't support unicode. |
| 04:28.58 | racecar56 | :P |
| 04:29.00 | ajavid | sure you do |
| 04:29.08 | racecar56 | :\ |
| 04:29.14 | ajavid | you are refusing to use something utf8 enabled, and missing out on special unicode chars |
| 04:29.18 | ajavid | how could you not suck ;) |
| 04:29.21 | ajavid | j/k |
| 04:29.27 | racecar56 | >:\ |
| 04:30.20 | racecar56 | whatever client i use i'm still going to have to bear with the stupid MOTD slowing the comp |
| 04:30.33 | racecar56 | this is an old comp i fixed somewhat |
| 04:30.48 | k]t | debian is weird: using dpkg --install for package gives you all kinds of dependency issues but if you just --unpack, then all you have to worry about are "requires". =\ |
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| 04:31.06 | racecar56 | O.o |
| 04:31.08 | ajavid | uh |
| 04:31.13 | ajavid | ok |
| 04:31.17 | racecar56 | ._O |
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| 04:32.21 | racecar56 | i will come back tomorrow as it is getting late and i'm still waiting on how to fix acpi/video card/sound keys not working ._. |
| 04:32.22 | cydork | k]t: have you read the man page? do you know what unpack does? |
| 04:32.25 | k]t | : well i have to get used to apt, dselect, aptitude (and what not) -- im used to only having source for working with so.... ? |
| 04:32.31 | racecar56 | bye... |
| 04:32.32 | k]t | barely |
| 04:33.27 | k]t | it unpacks but does not configure |
| 04:34.05 | k]t | take for instance, opera stable is 9.64 but with a 10.B3*.deb, dpkg --unpack upgraded the whole package... |
| 04:34.29 | cydork | huh? |
| 04:34.56 | k]t | the only short problem i ran into was openoffice 2.4 -> 3.1.1 where it unpacked to /opt. |
| 04:35.20 | k]t | nvm, i'm probably just confusing things. |
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| 04:36.34 | \amethyst | k]t: typically you use apt-get or aptitude to resolve the dependencies for you |
| 04:37.12 | \amethyst | k]t: or dselect |
| 04:37.24 | \amethyst | k]t: (but not a lot of people use dselect these days) |
| 04:37.40 | k]t | that was probably my first mistake |
| 04:37.57 | k]t | maybe i should move to a distro with no package manager. |
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| 04:44.16 | phlux | What would 'ntpd' be under" |
| 04:44.22 | phlux | s/"/? |
| 04:44.31 | phlux | what package, I guess I should say |
| 04:45.06 | macrobat | ntp? |
| 04:46.39 | macrobat | k]t: lfs? :) |
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| 04:47.11 | k]t | macrobot: sorry, i dont follow |
| 04:47.31 | k]t | linux from scratch |
| 04:47.35 | k]t | got ya |
| 04:48.05 | k]t | i actually have tried the liveCD on qemu when i was using cygwin. |
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| 04:48.33 | macrobat | handlig all dependencies without a pkg manager would be a staggering task :) |
| 04:51.56 | phlux | oh ffs |
| 04:52.00 | phlux | ntp was right |
| 04:52.01 | phlux | thanks |
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| 04:57.38 | MindSpark | hi, how do I get lame on lenny ? |
| 04:57.57 | dondelelcaro | !tell MindSpark -about dmm |
| 04:58.16 | PassingStranger_ | MindSpark: that question was extremely funny! |
| 04:58.36 | MindSpark | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 04:58.40 | MindSpark | PassingStranger_, :) why ? |
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| 04:59.43 | PassingStranger_ | MindSpark: just read it out loud yourself. but i'll shut up for now... |
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| 05:00.16 | MindSpark | PassingStranger_, ah, haha, ok, it's 7 am here and I haven't slept yet |
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| 05:01.07 | ajavid | \amethyst, http://picpaste.com/noname.jpeg |
| 05:01.39 | \amethyst | ajavid: ah, it works... did you have to compile your own kernel module, or is it in mainline now? |
| 05:01.41 | ajavid | \amethyst, took a couple of hours... but I got it. I tried xinerama, I dunno if anyone knows... but if you enable xinerama, cpu goes up 80-100% |
| 05:01.44 | ajavid | system starts to lag |
| 05:01.52 | ajavid | I didn't have to do jack man |
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| 05:01.56 | ajavid | thats the beautiful thing |
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| 05:02.16 | ajavid | aptitude install luvcview' /usr/bin/luvcview & |
| 05:02.26 | ajavid | I have not tested its audio yet though. |
| 05:02.52 | ajavid | I just hooked up the audio inputs/ouputs to the monitor's webcam, now gonna try to record (it dumps avi video just fine) |
| 05:03.08 | ajavid | \amethyst, that pic is from my cell phone though.. of my dualhead new 24" setup ;) |
| 05:03.19 | ajavid | \amethyst, fglrx killed my two other 24" lcds, totally. |
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| 05:05.16 | ajavid | \amethyst, did you see this? http://picpaste.com/kde35.png <- :D (btw, had to downgrade to kwin 3.5.9 as it kept maximizing a window across both monitors, known bug) |
| 05:05.40 | ajavid | damn its midnight already.. |
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| 05:06.34 | ajavid | \amethyst, I came across some page that said mirconda or whatever it is called is a uvc device, so I apt-cache search uvc, and these two packages shows up, i looked at description and tried it out |
| 05:06.45 | ajavid | \amethyst, worked on first try, no webcam modules/drivers needed to be built |
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| 05:06.54 | ajavid | Bus 007 Device 002: ID 0c45:6300 Microdia |
| 05:06.57 | ajavid | ahh, microdia |
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| 05:07.51 | hark | quite a few webcams are uvc compliant, it's a logo requirement for vista |
| 05:08.00 | \amethyst | ajavid: ah, I hadn't realized it was a standard device... I wonder what the microdia driver project plans on doing then? does the camera have extra features outside generic uvc stuff? |
| 05:08.14 | ajavid | I'm trying to find out |
| 05:11.11 | ajavid | piece of shit software this thing |
| 05:11.27 | ajavid | you mouseover, and the damn titlebar changes as tooltip help |
| 05:11.32 | ajavid | not an actual tooltip |
| 05:11.51 | ajavid | video quality is pretty crappy |
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| 05:12.47 | ajavid | it allows me to adjust a whole slew of options like brightness, contrast, sharpness, balance, white balance, color, gammam etc. etc. |
| 05:13.04 | ajavid | \amethyst, other than all that ... im not sure what else it would do |
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| 05:16.17 | blubaustin | hi |
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| 05:17.40 | blubaustin | I am having quite a problem on my system, and two rooms couldnt help me whatsoever, so is there anybody here willing to talk/help me out? |
| 05:17.49 | ajavid | two rooms? |
| 05:18.00 | ajavid | it depends on if you run debian or not. |
| 05:18.03 | blubaustin | ya #ubuntu+1 and #linux |
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| 05:18.20 | ajavid | blubaustin, what linux distribution do you use> |
| 05:18.24 | ajavid | blubaustin, ubuntu? |
| 05:18.25 | blubaustin | ubuntu karmic |
| 05:18.31 | ajavid | this is #debian |
| 05:18.33 | blubaustin | and I hate it but I have no blank cds |
| 05:18.38 | ajavid | you won't find any support here for ubuntu |
| 05:18.39 | blubaustin | well the other room doesn't know |
| 05:18.47 | ajavid | its not our problem |
| 05:18.50 | blubaustin | ubuntu is debian based. |
| 05:19.00 | ajavid | when you decide to use debian itself, we'll be glad to help |
| 05:19.07 | ajavid | now move along please. |
| 05:19.11 | blubaustin | Well I wish I could use like debian sid or testing |
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| 05:19.22 | blubaustin | but unetbootin fails to retrieve the rest of the stuff |
| 05:19.25 | blubaustin | on the net-install |
| 05:19.34 | ajavid | Wishing won't do jack. If you are interested in installing debian, we can help you with that. |
| 05:19.45 | blubaustin | Fine help me with that. |
| 05:19.46 | Evo2 | blubaustin: have you tried #linux |
| 05:19.47 | ajavid | if not, move along. |
| 05:19.50 | blubaustin | yes |
| 05:19.54 | blubaustin | #linux and #ubuntu+1 |
| 05:20.01 | ajavid | blubaustin, first read the debian install guide |
| 05:20.06 | ajavid | !tell blubaustin -about ig |
| 05:20.12 | Evo2 | blubaustin: when did you try #linux? |
| 05:20.34 | ajavid | blubaustin, grab the debian installer from |
| 05:20.37 | ajavid | !d-i blubaustin |
| 05:20.37 | dpkg | blubaustin, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 05:20.38 | blubaustin | Not a linux newb I have comptia A+ certification, 4 yrs experince in linux and I can't figure out why it wont retrieve the files on debian sid or testing on unbootin. |
| 05:20.50 | blubaustin | because I can't urn cds because Ia m out of them short on cash. |
| 05:20.59 | ajavid | !netboot |
| 05:20.59 | dpkg | netboot is probably a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>. |
| 05:21.07 | ajavid | read the install guide |
| 05:21.10 | blubaustin | net-install... |
| 05:21.15 | ajavid | read the install guide... |
| 05:21.22 | blubaustin | retrieve files from a http or ftp server |
| 05:21.28 | ajavid | read the install guide... |
| 05:21.42 | ajavid | blubaustin, either. |
| 05:21.42 | blubaustin | unerestimate peoples knowledge. |
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| 05:21.48 | blubaustin | udnerestimate* |
| 05:21.50 | ajavid | knowledge mean nothing |
| 05:21.52 | blubaustin | *pops two vicodin* |
| 05:21.59 | blubaustin | knowledge is power. |
| 05:22.05 | ajavid | if you did not read the debian install guide, then you don't know how to install debian. |
| 05:22.09 | ajavid | simple as that. |
| 05:22.14 | blubaustin | I've done it before |
| 05:22.18 | ajavid | you can try to fuck around with it and get lucky, but whats the problem with reading? |
| 05:22.30 | ajavid | you want me to copy paste from the guide? or do you want to read for yourself? |
| 05:22.35 | ajavid | cuz I won't do that. |
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| 05:22.45 | blubaustin | Look, I use unetbootin |
| 05:22.47 | dbbolton | how can i prevent dpkg-buildpackage from setting CFLAGS and so on to the default value? i have already added the ones i want in my shell's rc file and to debian/rules |
| 05:22.48 | blubaustin | parition the drive |
| 05:23.01 | blubaustin | and it begins to retrrieve the required files |
| 05:23.03 | blubaustin | and fails |
| 05:23.11 | ajavid | if you have a working linux/windows system you can start a debian install in two ways |
| 05:23.19 | blubaustin | only on debian sid or squeeze |
| 05:23.22 | xrfang | hi I have a problem with Xvnc that after login to vnc server, it display a blank screen with X cursor, nothing else. any idea please? |
| 05:23.26 | ajavid | you can use netboot, or hd-media installer with an iso, or you can debootstrap |
| 05:23.34 | blubaustin | ya or unetbootin. |
| 05:23.41 | ajavid | !unetbootin |
| 05:23.41 | dpkg | UNetbootin allows you to create bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions from Windows or Linux, without requiring you to burn a CD. You can either let it download one of the many distributions supported out-of-the-box for you, or supply your own Linux <iso> file if you've already downloaded one or your preferred distribution isn't on the list. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ |
| 05:23.51 | ajavid | I see |
| 05:23.56 | blubaustin | I've used it to do a cdless install |
| 05:23.58 | ajavid | I only support the debian installer. |
| 05:24.00 | blubaustin | of lenny. |
| 05:24.12 | ajavid | in fact, we here only support debian intaller and maybe debian.exe/setup.exe |
| 05:24.16 | blubaustin | it uses the net-install iso of debian |
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| 05:24.38 | blubaustin | wish for me to flash proof of the debian installer via unetbootin? |
| 05:24.56 | ajavid | blubaustin, again... I'm going to now stop. Unless you wish to install debian, we can't help you anymore. Go to #ubuntu+1 or start using 9.04 so you are not rejected support. |
| 05:25.20 | ajavid | I don't know unetbootin, can't support it. This is #debian, we only support the debian installers. |
| 05:25.21 | PassingStranger_ | ajavid: "we here"? whom are you speaking for? |
| 05:25.37 | ajavid | PassingStranger_, if you wish to support his ubuntu, you can go with him to #ubuntu |
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| 05:25.47 | ajavid | PassingStranger_, we do NOT support ubuntu here |
| 05:25.48 | ajavid | !ubuntu |
| 05:25.48 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 05:25.51 | ajavid | !based on debian |
| 05:25.51 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 05:25.56 | joombafrog | how can i flush my dns cache |
| 05:26.03 | ajavid | Again. if two rooms can't help you, its not our problem. |
| 05:26.08 | mischief` | hey, can anyone please help me fix grub? i install grub2, but it went kinda wrong. i tried following what dpkg told me from 'fixmbr' but still no luck |
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| 05:26.12 | PassingStranger_ | ajavid: that's not what i asked... |
| 05:26.22 | ajavid | PassingStranger_, don't start a bullshit argument. |
| 05:26.27 | ajavid | PassingStranger_, ubuntu is not on topic here. |
| 05:26.44 | ajavid | PassingStranger_, and yes, I speak for the whole channel when I say this. |
| 05:26.52 | ajavid | PassingStranger_, if you have a problem, try #debian-ops |
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| 05:27.10 | PassingStranger_ | ajavid: pretty aggresive this morning, aren't we? ;) |
| 05:27.20 | ajavid | no man... people just don't fucking get it. |
| 05:27.30 | ajavid | anyway. |
| 05:27.49 | PassingStranger_ | ajavid: i do feel your pain. i really do. |
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| 05:28.01 | mischief` | PassingStranger_, irc is serious business |
| 05:28.17 | ajavid | its no chip off my shoulder, if he chooses to use ubuntu |
| 05:28.38 | ajavid | its like... going to mcdonalds to get a tripple whopper |
| 05:28.45 | ajavid | this is debian.. not ubuntu. |
| 05:28.59 | cahoot | I think you've made your point |
| 05:29.08 | PassingStranger_ | yeah, but is scaring off people the preferred tactic in general? ;) |
| 05:29.09 | ajavid | I hope so. |
| 05:29.17 | dingus9 | how would you make an alias to wget for a script... IE: alias wget='wget -nv ' |
| 05:29.21 | cahoot | so - let it rest? |
| 05:29.29 | ajavid | PassingStranger_, ^ |
| 05:29.53 | ajavid | PassingStranger_, he left and didn't cause an argument and then you started confronting me over stupid shit. |
| 05:30.04 | ajavid | cahoot, anyway... its done. |
| 05:30.26 | mischief` | so...can anyone help me out with grub? :[ |
| 05:30.41 | dingus9 | mischief: I can for a quick bit |
| 05:30.48 | ajavid | mischief`, whats the problem |
| 05:31.02 | ajavid | oh grub2, I've no experience with it |
| 05:31.09 | dingus9 | mischief: do you have grub2 removed |
| 05:31.17 | dingus9 | apt-get remove grub2 |
| 05:31.28 | ajavid | you want to remove grub2 and go back to grubpc |
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| 05:32.43 | mischief` | dingus9 um, i don't have it removed, no |
| 05:32.50 | dingus9 | mischief: if you installed on some of the newer grub disks, you have to change your inode size I think... grub won't mount a 256 inode |
| 05:33.01 | dingus9 | sorry not grub disks |
| 05:33.05 | dingus9 | debian disks |
| 05:33.30 | mischief` | uh, well i installed it a few months ago |
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| 05:33.50 | dingus9 | some of the newest deb install iso's install grub2, they also set an inode size to one that is larger then grub understands |
| 05:33.58 | mischief` | but i installed grub2, everything was fine because it chainloaded, but when i ran the program to remove grub and keep grub2 everything went sour |
| 05:34.16 | ajavid | dingus9, are you sure? |
| 05:34.50 | ajavid | this change happened quite a while back actually |
| 05:35.03 | ajavid | inode size doubled, for future compat with ext4 was it? |
| 05:35.12 | ajavid | or something like that anyway... for some reason |
| 05:35.38 | ajavid | made a disk in sid, went back to etch, and bam, can't mount. |
| 05:36.06 | mischief` | all i have atm is backtrack4, which has a copy of grub legacy in it. i can chroot into my debian install with it |
| 05:36.10 | dingus9 | ajavid: All I know is the last install I did grub didn't like my inode size so I had to go to 128 or something like that |
| 05:36.17 | mischief` | which is how i tried doing the procedure that dpkg described |
| 05:36.36 | ajavid | dingus9, no no, its not a grub thing i think |
| 05:36.49 | dingus9 | mischief: well assuming all is well with your inode size you should be able to do a grubinstall pretty easy |
| 05:36.55 | ajavid | dingus9, sid now formats and sets 256 inode size, so grub has to use that |
| 05:37.02 | ajavid | i think so anyway |
| 05:37.19 | ajavid | look up grub2 on bts |
| 05:37.28 | mischief` | dingus9, well, my debian install has no 'grub-install' program you see |
| 05:37.40 | ajavid | mischief`, it comes with aptitude install grub |
| 05:37.52 | dingus9 | yup |
| 05:38.08 | dingus9 | mischief: I hadn't got to that part yet ;) |
| 05:38.08 | ajavid | that or grub-pc |
| 05:38.27 | ajavid | grub-pc on testing/sid and grub on lenny/before |
| 05:38.32 | ajavid | i think |
| 05:38.38 | mischief` | i have grub-pc right now, you see |
| 05:38.50 | dingus9 | remove it |
| 05:38.56 | mischief` | i can install grub but aptitude says i'll need to remove grub-pc. as long as it makes it boot that's fine -.- |
| 05:39.09 | dingus9 | and install grub... apt should get the correct package |
| 05:39.16 | dingus9 | yup |
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| 05:39.22 | dingus9 | aptitude is da bomb |
| 05:39.27 | mischief` | uh oh :\ |
| 05:39.28 | dingus9 | it knows all |
| 05:39.32 | mischief` | i don't think that will work |
| 05:39.33 | dingus9 | hehe |
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| 05:39.49 | dingus9 | it should, thats what I have installed |
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| 05:40.15 | mischief` | the system has no network connection atm, and no disk drive :| |
| 05:40.21 | dingus9 | oh I think grub-pc is correct |
| 05:40.22 | mischief` | but i'm gonna see if i can get it online |
| 05:40.24 | dingus9 | I just checked |
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| 05:41.52 | dingus9 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=463123 |
| 05:42.23 | dingus9 | this bug may have been resolved by the time you installed, but it wasn't when I did in july |
| 05:42.58 | dingus9 | mischief: I just wanted you to know if you get a dead system after grub install |
| 05:46.36 | gaintsura | how can I count (or find out) the number of lines in a txt file? |
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| 05:47.53 | mischief`8 | that didn't go well |
| 05:48.06 | bpun | gaintsura, by opening and reading it |
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| 05:50.26 | gaintsura | bpun: its a 1GB text file |
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| 05:50.27 | gaintsura | :| |
| 05:50.52 | bpun | gaintsura, ah, arent u the one that made that 20gb text file? |
| 05:51.02 | gaintsura | it wasn't 20GB |
| 05:51.08 | gaintsura | it was 4.1million rows |
| 05:51.14 | gaintsura | and 500MB |
| 05:51.30 | Dominicus | How can I choose my mixer sources in debian? I'm using the default setup that appears to be running pulseaudio. |
| 05:51.41 | bpun | gaintsura, u can never make use of 1 mb in ur life.. what good is a disorder of 1 gb? |
| 05:52.11 | bpun | gaintsura, seriously.. are u trying to sort what's in it ? |
| 05:52.12 | gaintsura | its a lot of data man |
| 05:52.22 | gaintsura | no, I know whats in it, and its pre-sorted |
| 05:52.28 | gaintsura | I just need to know how many lines there are |
| 05:52.38 | bpun | gaintsura, lol.. good luck.. |
| 05:52.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | and `wc -l` doesnt work? |
| 05:52.55 | gaintsura | Kamping_Kaiser: let me check |
| 05:53.03 | bpun | gaintsura, i'm sure you know what's in it.. just a bunch of random 1's and 0's :) |
| 05:53.08 | gaintsura | no |
| 05:53.11 | gaintsura | almost |
| 05:53.12 | gaintsura | lol |
| 05:53.18 | gaintsura | a bunch of IP2Long data |
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| 05:53.58 | mogunus | gaintsura: does wc give an error message? |
| 05:54.33 | gaintsura | no |
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| 05:54.48 | gaintsura | it gave me 16,711,680 lines |
| 05:54.49 | gaintsura | :P |
| 05:54.56 | mogunus | oh, cute |
| 05:55.01 | bpun | gaintsura, just be smart.. use rm already.. |
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| 05:55.32 | gaintsura | bpun: I will, once I've got the php script set the way I want it to be |
| 05:55.37 | mischief`5 | test |
| 05:55.44 | mogunus | gaintsura: I would say, use a perl script |
| 05:55.45 | mischief`5 | okay, there we go |
| 05:55.54 | mischief`5 | dingus9 ajavid i got a connection on the machine |
| 05:56.07 | mogunus | githogori: or any other programming language with "long" number datatypes |
| 05:56.17 | mischief`5 | or i thought i did |
| 05:56.21 | dingus9 | mischief: connection? |
| 05:57.07 | mischief`5 | yes, to install grub and remove grub-pc |
| 05:57.23 | mischief`5 | it seems that in the chroot i can't resolve dns but outside the chroot in backtrack 4 i can |
| 05:57.27 | mogunus | githogori: if you have a common lisp compiler/interperter installed, I can give you a program that'll do it |
| 05:57.30 | mischief`5 | wonders why this is |
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| 05:57.41 | mogunus | githogori: CL has bignums for arbitrary number sizes |
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| 05:58.21 | gaintsura | mogunus: its going into a DB (php is a bit more of a better choice in this sense to me) |
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| 05:58.37 | mogunus | githogori: sure, but right now you just want a linecount, right? |
| 05:59.09 | bpun | gaintsura, that's not data though |
| 05:59.14 | Vasistha | I am using mailx to send email over the command line. Is it relying on a MTA that I have installed? How would I find out that information? |
| 05:59.21 | mischief`5 | can anyone tell me how, or point me where i can read about installing grub without using packages or a chroot? |
| 05:59.25 | mogunus | githogori: I don't know php. but if you can force PHP to allocate a large-size number and then use it to write a line-counting script, that's what I would do. |
| 05:59.32 | bpun | gaintsura, it'll just end being a bloat of a clownish disorganized database |
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| 06:00.21 | bpun | mischief, grub's site? |
| 06:00.29 | dingus9 | mischief: set your domain server in you root drive... |
| 06:00.32 | bpun | mischief`5, ^ ? |
| 06:00.48 | dingus9 | mischief: can you ping an ip |
| 06:00.58 | dingus9 | if not your env is not correct |
| 06:01.06 | gaintsura | bpun: no you have no idea what I'm doing with it |
| 06:01.12 | gaintsura | mogunus: wc -l worked |
| 06:01.15 | dingus9 | mischief: you have to remember all of you configs are different in you chroot env |
| 06:01.38 | mischief`5 | yes, i can ping from the chroot |
| 06:01.45 | dingus9 | mischief: sometimes you can do an ifup down in the chroot to get you ethernet adapters set correctly |
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| 06:02.12 | dingus9 | mischief: is it your resolve.conf file? |
| 06:02.13 | mogunus | gaintsura: I thought it had some kind of overflow error before? |
| 06:02.30 | gaintsura | mogunus: nope |
| 06:02.39 | gaintsura | thats how many lines there are (its a huge file :s) |
| 06:02.55 | mischief`5 | dingus9 uh maybe |
| 06:02.59 | mogunus | oh. well, good. I was about to be really confused... wc is a GNU program, and their guidelines really harp on "arbitrary input size!" |
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| 06:03.10 | mischief`5 | oh yeah it is dingus9 |
| 06:03.21 | dingus9 | mischief: woot ;0 |
| 06:03.31 | mischief`5 | oh |
| 06:03.43 | dingus9 | mischief: could also be your default route |
| 06:03.56 | mischief`5 | dingus9 you're right, the resolv.conf is old and was set by dhclient the last time the system was up |
| 06:04.27 | dingus9 | so if you run dhclient again... |
| 06:04.31 | dingus9 | you should be in the clear |
| 06:04.44 | dingus9 | theory... |
| 06:04.44 | mischief`5 | from inside the chroot? :| |
| 06:04.48 | mischief`5 | oh |
| 06:04.49 | dingus9 | yes sir |
| 06:04.50 | mischief`5 | it works! |
| 06:05.00 | mischief`5 | haha, aptitude is resolving correctly in the chroot |
| 06:05.20 | mischief`5 | i hope this installs right ._. |
| 06:05.24 | bpun | gaintsura, a file is not large by # lines.. but by # bytes |
| 06:06.04 | gaintsura | right... and its 1012MB |
| 06:06.04 | gaintsura | :P |
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| 06:06.35 | bpun | gaintsura, all i know is u gonna have a big molded up clown database |
| 06:06.47 | gaintsura | how so? |
| 06:06.52 | gaintsura | you dont even know what its for |
| 06:07.11 | bpun | gaintsura, it's for you.. of course.. a random generator |
| 06:07.18 | gaintsura | no |
| 06:07.22 | bpun | lol |
| 06:07.25 | mischief`5 | dingus9 everything appears okay, i just need to add the windows XP boot entry for grub and i will try it out |
| 06:07.25 | gaintsura | facedesk |
| 06:07.26 | bpun | oh yes |
| 06:07.35 | gaintsura | freenode is really loosing its touch |
| 06:07.39 | bpun | gaintsura is a clownboy |
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| 06:08.45 | ajavid | has anyone ever gotten foxytunes to work on iceweasel in stable |
| 06:09.02 | ajavid | it always says installation error, i have all the right depends installed |
| 06:09.07 | ajavid | it never detects amarok |
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| 06:12.38 | mischief`5 | IT WORKS |
| 06:12.41 | mischief`5 | !works |
| 06:12.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, works is something I am |
| 06:13.04 | mischief`5 | i'd thank dingus9 but he left :[ |
| 06:13.38 | ackbahr | Hi! I've got a special debian problem. I did this http://en.nas-4220.org/index.php/HowTo%27s#Installation_of_a_Debian-System_.28chroot.29 on a NAS, but "apt-get update" returns 404 errors and then everything below it is useless, of course.... Could someone help? Thanks! |
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| 06:15.35 | izibi | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/137711/ can somebody help me with compiling this kernel module? |
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| 06:16.17 | rareluz | hi all |
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| 06:16.53 | \amethyst | ackbahr: sarge is no longer available, you should use lenny instead |
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| 06:17.59 | rareluz | can anyone tell how to update pidgin? |
| 06:18.59 | ackbahr | \amethyst how can I do that, based on the same How To? |
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| 06:20.09 | k]t | use pork =) |
| 06:21.23 | \amethyst | ackbahr: hm, since Linux on Psion doesn't seem to provide anything more recent than Sarge, I don't know |
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| 06:21.57 | izibi | ackbahr: try the upgrade to edge commands but use lenny insted of etch |
| 06:22.00 | \amethyst | ackbahr: unless perhaps the Debian arm or armel port supports it now |
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| 06:25.03 | ajavid | $>xterm |
| 06:25.03 | ajavid | xterm: Error 32, errno 2: No such file or directory |
| 06:25.03 | ajavid | Reason: get_pty: not enough ptys |
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| 06:25.10 | ajavid | ... |
| 06:25.57 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/45668/ |
| 06:26.03 | ajavid | there are my mounts |
| 06:26.10 | ajavid | $>mount -l |
| 06:26.10 | ajavid | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 06:26.10 | ajavid | sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) |
| 06:26.27 | ajavid | here are the mounts inside the chroot, I'm trying to run xterm in a chroot to test... it gives error |
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| 06:28.56 | ajavid | i mean... dev IS mounted bind |
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| 06:29.10 | jelly-home | ajavid: missing /dev/pts? |
| 06:29.14 | ajavid | yes |
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| 06:29.17 | ajavid | its not there |
| 06:29.25 | ajavid | i tink |
| 06:29.26 | ajavid | hang on |
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| 06:30.05 | ajavid | jelly-home, yes, inside the chroot the pts directory is empty |
| 06:30.16 | ajavid | jelly-home, in the host the directory is obviosly full of the ptys |
| 06:30.37 | ajavid | how could this be? should a bind mount of /dev take care of it all |
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| 06:31.10 | ackbahr | \amethyst Thanks, I'll try that! |
| 06:31.20 | ackbahr | izibi: Ok, I'll take a look at it! |
| 06:31.50 | valdyn | ajavid: mp |
| 06:31.52 | valdyn | ajavid: no |
| 06:31.54 | ackbahr | Have to disconnect... Thanks a lot folks! |
| 06:32.05 | ajavid | valdyn, i've never come across this issue before |
| 06:32.12 | ajavid | valdyn, I've been using chroots for a long time |
| 06:32.12 | valdyn | ajavid: /dev/pts is an *extra* mount point |
| 06:32.19 | ajavid | hm |
| 06:32.23 | valdyn | devpts 0 0 0 - /dev/pts |
| 06:32.36 | ajavid | hm |
| 06:32.38 | valdyn | ajavid: bind mount does not cover that |
| 06:32.42 | grazymax | hi all |
| 06:32.46 | ajavid | valdyn, I see |
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| 06:33.01 | ajavid | valdyn, http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 06:33.07 | ajavid | there is no mention of it here afaict |
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| 06:33.49 | ajavid | valdyn, I've always used this guide whevever I need to refresh my memory, and it has always worked in the past |
| 06:34.01 | ajavid | valdyn, this is the first time I'm hearing about a devpts |
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| 06:34.04 | valdyn | ajavid: same here, i guess /dev/pts was not a mount point then |
| 06:34.28 | ajavid | so then |
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| 06:34.49 | valdyn | ajavid: on top of that i never had a reason to run a chrooted X terminal though |
| 06:34.52 | kayteon | please, how do i compile in emacs cc-mode?what's the command? |
| 06:34.55 | ajavid | hm |
| 06:35.14 | ajavid | valdyn, just to test if X stuff would run... wanted to find out why this error was caused |
| 06:35.20 | ajavid | I have no need to run xterm inside a chroot |
| 06:35.48 | ajavid | valdyn, there are other apps that may depend on upon pts? |
| 06:35.49 | kayteon | please... |
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| 06:36.07 | valdyn | ajavid: terminals, screen |
| 06:36.18 | ajavid | valdyn, nothing else though? |
| 06:36.27 | ajavid | games/desktop apps (not terms or screen) |
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| 06:36.44 | valdyn | ajavid: some IDE have an integrated terminal |
| 06:36.52 | ajavid | aww |
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| 06:37.01 | ajavid | hm. |
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| 06:38.48 | kayteon | help please...what's the command for cc-mode compilation? |
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| 06:40.52 | kayteon | boot, can you help me? |
| 06:41.05 | kayteon | come on... |
| 06:41.56 | BlocK240 | hello, I hope I'm in the right channel. |
| 06:42.00 | BlocK240 | I have a small issue... |
| 06:42.19 | BlocK240 | I installed usplash and usplash-theme-debian and ever since I can't boot up... |
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| 06:44.01 | PassingStranger_ | ... what makes you think that the offtopic channel wouls be the right one? |
| 06:44.06 | ajavid | lo0l |
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| 06:48.17 | unity_term | hey.. |
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| 06:48.47 | Dominicus | Where does one go to have someone removed from a channel that is just trolling it to be a tard? There doesn't appear to be any active ops in ##Security, where joombafrog is just running his mouth on offtopic garbage and consuming bandwidth. He's been there for almost an hour now. lol |
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| 06:50.39 | unity_term | i got this file |
| 06:50.53 | unity_term | that needs to be read by everyone |
| 06:51.24 | unity_term | but its only root has read/write atm |
| 06:51.42 | unity_term | the command is chmod right |
| 06:51.47 | unity_term | to change permissions. |
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| 06:53.11 | ajavid | valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/45671/ |
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| 06:53.18 | ajavid | valdyn, that pts thing is still bugging me |
| 06:53.57 | ajavid | valdyn, I may not need to do it, but its still bugging me. I tried to look up what it is, see what it is etc. |
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| 06:55.00 | ajavid | valdyn, I guess all I need to do is mount --bind /dev/pts/ /chroot/dev/pts |
| 06:55.31 | fireba11 | another box upgraded to lenny ... :-) |
| 06:55.31 | ajavid | valdyn, I had figure that the type (from what you pasted) was a -t devpts ? is this correct assumption? |
| 06:56.58 | plugd | unity_term: man chmod |
| 06:57.15 | ajavid | valdyn, mount devpts /dev/pts -t |
| 06:57.21 | ajavid | valdyn, mount devpts /dev/pts -t devpts |
| 06:58.28 | ajavid | $>sudo mount devpts /home/ajavid/sid-i386-chroot/dev/pts/ -t devpts |
| 06:58.38 | ajavid | ok, xterm works, I guess my assumption was correct |
| 06:58.42 | ajavid | \o/ |
| 06:59.02 | ajavid | valdyn, thanks |
| 06:59.52 | ajavid | cool beans, now I can just ln -s with diff binaries and launch them via dchroot (I've already configure schroot.conf) |
| 07:00.15 | ajavid | \amethyst, again, thanks for the help on that... took a while to figure out the startupscripts were the culprit |
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| 07:12.43 | ScreaminIke | how do i force dpkg to ignore all dependencies? |
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| 07:13.48 | ajavid | ScreaminIke, perhaps you could read the manpage. |
| 07:14.29 | ScreaminIke | nope |
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| 07:14.43 | ScreaminIke | no manpages on my system |
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| 07:14.51 | ajavid | google "man dpkg" |
| 07:15.04 | ScreaminIke | yea |
| 07:15.13 | ScreaminIke | that's not... helpful |
| 07:15.15 | ajavid | then ctrl+f or something and search for --ignore-depends |
| 07:15.19 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 07:15.22 | ScreaminIke | if i had a mouse and kbd, maybe |
| 07:15.24 | ajavid | learn to help yourself dude. |
| 07:15.40 | ajavid | don't ask quesiotions to which you yourself can find the answers. |
| 07:15.41 | ScreaminIke | i know how, but i'm on a nokia |
| 07:15.47 | ajavid | ok |
| 07:15.59 | dutchfish | Good morning. Is it possible in Debian to use ndiswrapper for other things then networkdrivers? |
| 07:16.19 | ScreaminIke | ... |
| 07:16.20 | ajavid | dpkg -i --ignore-depends pkg1 pkg2 |
| 07:16.20 | dpkg | installs --ignore-depends pkg1 pkg2 into ajavid's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 07:16.41 | ScreaminIke | thx, ajavid |
| 07:16.53 | jony123 | would it be possible to setup my debian server to have to so that an xp computer could connect to it and have all out going connections trasmitted threw the server |
| 07:16.54 | fireba11 | that gotta hurt |
| 07:17.01 | jony123 | a proxy server of a sorts over ssh |
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| 07:17.54 | ScreaminIke | so... dpkg --install tintin\+\+_1.99.6b-1_armel.deb --ignore-depends pkg1 pkg2? |
| 07:18.58 | filePeter | jony123: sure. |
| 07:19.38 | jony123 | filePeter: how |
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| 07:20.01 | anddam | hello |
| 07:20.11 | anddam | is there a way to "reset" framebuffer console? |
| 07:20.12 | dutchfish | jony123, there are a miriad of possibilities there are even specialized Debian spin-offs to do proxy/firewalling |
| 07:20.19 | filePeter | jony123: What do you want? A HTTP-Proxy? A gateway/router/natrouter/? SOCKET-Proxy??? |
| 07:20.28 | anddam | I switched to console 1 while X was starting and the text console is screwed up |
| 07:20.54 | jony123 | filePeter: a proxy for all out going connections |
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| 07:22.01 | ScreaminIke | ... fuck. still giving me errors about the dependencies... |
| 07:22.03 | dutchfish | jony123, maybe danguardian, sqeed and iptables but it needs alot of reading |
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| 07:22.34 | filePeter | jony123: That sounds like socket-proxy! Connect via putty and set a local socket-server-port on the xpserver. Then make firefox use that local port as socket-proxy server. |
| 07:22.46 | anddam | any hint? something like "reset" is for a terminal emulator, but for framebuffer |
| 07:22.55 | dutchfish | jony123, if you only want to proxy ssh you might get away with sshproxy |
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| 07:23.00 | ScreaminIke | dansguardian sucks. whitelisting sucks. blacklisting sucks, dynamic filtering sucks. |
| 07:23.46 | filePeter | wonders if there is anything on earth that might not suck in ScreaminIke's eyes. |
| 07:23.57 | ScreaminIke | ... educated users |
| 07:24.26 | dutchfish | mubles there is not bad software, there are only bad admins |
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| 07:25.27 | the-dude | bad coders ;) |
| 07:25.52 | dutchfish | the-dude, maybe, but the admins should report that ;) |
| 07:26.09 | ScreaminIke | i fucking hate #debian. you guys are assholes. thx for debian packaging though. |
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| 07:26.46 | anddam | dutchfish: are you sure there's no bad software? |
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| 07:27.13 | dutchfish | anddam, hehe, it was ironic, but yes, if poeple would better report bugs, why not |
| 07:27.21 | jony123_ | my friend has the problem that he cant estabish any past 9pm. but the connections that are already made arnt killed |
| 07:27.27 | caimlas | hi, is anyone here familiar w/ dnsmasq? I'm trying to figure out how to do a 'remap' so I can pxe boot a w7 install (and not use DVDs) and I think I need to use a remap file of some sort. but I'm unsure how I'd go about that. |
| 07:27.34 | jony123_ | so i was thinking estabish some connection threw ssh |
| 07:27.44 | jony123_ | route everything threw it |
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| 07:28.08 | anddam | dutchfish: you're assuming developers would care about reports, tho' |
| 07:28.35 | dutchfish | anddam, if you point them to the bug and provide a patch, they listen, sure |
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| 07:33.53 | anddam | fbset it is |
| 07:34.18 | filePeter | anddam: Nice! |
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| 07:38.25 | anddam | thanks |
| 07:38.32 | anddam | and bye |
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| 07:47.31 | Nz17 | I have a really weird problem. |
| 07:47.59 | Nz17 | I can't delete directories from the Program Files directory on my WIndows XP fat32 partition. |
| 07:48.23 | Nz17 | But I can delete any files or directories inside said directories. |
| 07:48.47 | chrome | there may be a hidden file in them? |
| 07:48.55 | chrome | not sure if the linux fat32 driver hides them or not |
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| 07:49.14 | Nz17 | No hidden files. Even an empty directory can't be deleted. Root of course can delete directories in Program Files though. |
| 07:49.33 | din_os | hello, I think avahi messes with my resolv.conf file, if I disable it will my system become unstable? |
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| 07:50.44 | din_os | reason: even though I have disabled NetworkManager Applet using Sessions Menu, the resolv.conf file keeps been updated by NetworkManager... |
| 07:51.17 | Nz17 | din_os: Nothing bad should happen. I don't like NetworkManager, it messes with my files too. I uninstalled it and am happier now. |
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| 07:52.06 | Trewas | din_os: avahi is separate from network-manager and should not touch resolv.conf |
| 07:52.26 | Nz17 | The directories in Program Files are chmodded 777 so they should be deletable, but they are not. |
| 07:52.54 | Nz17 | din_os: If I were you, I would uninstall NetWorkManager unless you are sure you need it. |
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| 07:53.44 | din_os | Trewas, Nz17, so it's better to apt-get remove network-manager than disable avahi... but why does NM update my resolv.conf even if I have disabled it from services? is there another way to disable services or NM from startup? e.g. a conf file? |
| 07:53.59 | shylent | hmm, does anyone have any idea about the _correct_ way to add vlans to an interface at startup? |
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| 07:54.41 | shylent | because when I simply list subinterfaces in /etc/network/interfaces it gives me a bunch of errors (because vlan kernel module isn't loaded yet) |
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| 07:55.46 | Nz17 | din_os: I had similar problems with NetworkManager not respecting my resolv.conf and that is why I did "apt-get --purge remove network-manager". |
| 07:55.53 | Trewas | din_os: NM has separate daemon and applet parts, maybe you only disabled the applet... anyway it is safe to remove NM but you have to configure network some other way, /etc/network/interfaces being the traditional way |
| 07:56.31 | Nz17 | din_os: There are many config files for din_os, but they are confusing and even when I had checked many things to make sure they were right, they still did not do everything I requested. |
| 07:56.31 | Trewas | and safe to remove avahi too, as far as I see it is not doing anything useful :) |
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| 07:56.48 | Nz17 | din_os: There are many config files for network-manager, but they are confusing and even when I had checked many things to make sure they were right, they still did not do everything I requested. |
| 07:57.05 | ajavid | !avahi |
| 07:57.05 | dpkg | i guess avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared. see <zeroconf> |
| 07:57.18 | din_os | Trewas, I know how to configure network, but I want to keep NM because it works better on some wlans, I have only disabled the applet, how do I disable the daemon too? |
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| 07:58.07 | manou | nm blows chunks |
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| 07:59.43 | Trewas | din_os: there should be something in /etc/init.d starting it, I can't check because I don't have NM installed |
| 08:00.03 | Fanuc98 | Quick question, I'm sick of ubuntu and I am going to change completely to debian. If I am downloading the i386 minimal cd from http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst, is it lenny? I really do not want etch or (sidux? I'm guessing the unstable is a new name now.). |
| 08:00.16 | din_os | Trewas, thanks, that's what I needed, I'll have a look thanks! also Nz17 thx |
| 08:00.22 | zeroConf | dpkg - avahi is the open source version.... check ww.dns-sd.org for full details of zeroconf and minor details about avahi |
| 08:00.22 | dpkg | zeroConf: I think you lost me on that one |
| 08:00.30 | Nz17 | din_os: You are welcome. :-) |
| 08:00.44 | Fanuc98 | Plus, I do not want a full set of cd's / dvd's, I am only wanting to install what I intend to use. :) |
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| 08:01.19 | manou | Hi, I'm in a committed lesbian relationship and am looking for a distro that fits into my lifestyle. I was wondering if the "bian" part of debian was in some way a reference to my sisterhood? |
| 08:01.21 | Samus_Aran | could someone remind me of the command used to search for which package provides a particular file that is installed on the system ? I had an alias for it, and then my hard drive crashed. :/ |
| 08:01.32 | Nz17 | Fanuc98: I would donwload the net-install image. It will be Lenny if you get the stable version. |
| 08:01.37 | pbn | Hi there, I'm running Debian testing 32-bit, and I can't find the bigmem kernel.... "aptitude search 2.6.26 | grep bigmem" yields nothing... where is the bigmem package ? or perhaps did I do something wrong... ? |
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| 08:02.25 | Fanuc98 | thanks, I think that is what is downloading now. debian-502a-i386-netinst.iso.. ? |
| 08:02.28 | zeroConf | dpkg - think of avahi and zeroconf like a networking solution for networks where there is no network infrustrucutre, such as no dhcp server all the way up to - how to find out who else has web-servers on your network, or is sharing bit-torrent files and what bt files they may be sharing... its a pretty full framework |
| 08:02.28 | dpkg | zeroConf: what are you talking about? |
| 08:02.35 | Samus_Aran | manou: that's so absurd it's almost funny |
| 08:02.40 | zeroConf | [17:27] <dpkg> i guess avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared. see <zeroconf> |
| 08:02.57 | manou | Samus_Aran I don't mean to be amusing. I'm sorry, English is not my native language, perhaps I've not been clear |
| 08:03.04 | Fanuc98 | The site does not specify between stable or any other version....just has the link to download. |
| 08:03.14 | zeroConf | lol - that was a responce for ajavid - dpkg is a bot - fuck i am an idiot |
| 08:03.14 | pbn | manou: perhaps should you install "Lesbian GNU/Linux" here: http://www.cafepress.com/lesbianlinux |
| 08:03.17 | manou | I want a distro that adheres to the ethos of being a proud lesbian |
| 08:03.19 | Nz17 | Fanuc98: That sounds right. And even if it were older, when you update/upgrade the system it would become the newest stable version anyway. :-) |
| 08:03.29 | nick[0] | manou: http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ might be the fully actuallised "bian" in "debian" |
| 08:03.36 | din_os | lol zeroConf :P |
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| 08:03.40 | zeroConf | ajavid - check what i was just saying to dpkg |
| 08:03.58 | din_os | and I thought you were training the bot :P |
| 08:04.05 | Fanuc98 | update/upgrade isn't a bad thing, as per IT (ubuntu!). lol |
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| 08:04.17 | Fanuc98 | Or I should say a royal pain. |
| 08:04.27 | manou | pbn thank you! |
| 08:04.39 | nick[0] | manou: although this is closer what you're probably looking for http://linuxforlesbians.org/ |
| 08:04.45 | zeroConf | din_os - i wish i knew how cause guess what, it could do with some.... |
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| 08:05.12 | manou | nick[0] thank you as well! |
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| 08:05.17 | manou | how wonderful |
| 08:05.19 | nick[0] | manou: sorry! that last site is apparently a joke! |
| 08:05.25 | manou | oh :( |
| 08:05.32 | manou | I'm to be mocked now |
| 08:05.34 | fireba11 | *rofl* |
| 08:06.02 | Nz17 | Samus_Aran: The command you want is dpkg -S searchFileName |
| 08:06.05 | manou | I see. I'll be marginalised and then treated like a joke. Very amusing, boys |
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| 08:06.21 | Nz17 | We are not boys. |
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| 08:06.25 | nick[0] | manou: I suspect this is a more more sincere place for discourse: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux_lesbians/ |
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| 08:06.51 | manou | nick[0] i have no discharge, thank you very much |
| 08:06.55 | manou | oh, discourse. My apologies |
| 08:06.55 | Nz17 | Not all of us are males, anyway. |
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| 08:07.04 | manou | nick[0] thank you |
| 08:07.14 | manou | Nz17 are you a lesbian also? |
| 08:07.16 | din_os | manou, nick[0], lol #debian is a fun chatroom, I'll stick around |
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| 08:07.46 | Nz17 | manou: No, sorry. |
| 08:07.56 | Nz17 | I am not a Lesbian. |
| 08:08.00 | manou | Nz17 well, you are 1/2 way right anyway :) |
| 08:08.08 | manou | I love you, sister |
| 08:08.28 | Fanuc98 | What does this have to do with the latest stable release? |
| 08:08.40 | Nz17 | I am rarely speechless. This is a rare moment. |
| 08:09.11 | fireba11 | wth |
| 08:09.12 | Nz17 | Fanuc98: I will check for you what latest stable filename is. |
| 08:09.15 | nick[0] | Fanuc98: no idea, more up-to-date GPL protected freedom of preference? |
| 08:09.34 | Epi | hi All |
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| 08:09.47 | Fanuc98 | Oh, that is no problem. I think I have it. |
| 08:10.53 | Fanuc98 | Can anyone guess what kind of install time I will be looking at with a 160kb/s at best, download speed? |
| 08:11.10 | Nz17 | Fanuc98: Yes, the file name is debian-502a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 08:11.40 | filePeter | Fanuc98: What are you going to install? |
| 08:11.42 | Fanuc98 | Thank you again. :) |
| 08:11.42 | Nz17 | Fanuc98: That depends on what you want to install at that time. |
| 08:11.51 | Nz17 | :-) |
| 08:12.52 | nick[0] | Fanuc98: I'm guessing less than two hours to download, less than three hours total (beats the floppy installations + a 36.6 Kb/s modem installations of years ago!) |
| 08:13.32 | nigrabiafra | I once installed debian (can't remember the release) on 28 floppies |
| 08:13.34 | nigrabiafra | before I was a lesbian |
| 08:14.04 | nigrabiafra | actually, it was more |
| 08:14.16 | Fanuc98 | Nod. I do not know how I survived with 14.4 and the like! =D Nice. |
| 08:14.20 | joltcan | floppies <3 gotta love 'em |
| 08:14.29 | Samus_Aran | Nz17: thank you, kindly |
| 08:14.32 | nigrabiafra | 1.4 meg of pure storage |
| 08:14.36 | Fanuc98 | I still have and use them! LOL |
| 08:14.43 | nigrabiafra | no. no one uses them. |
| 08:14.46 | Nz17 | Samus_Aran: Welcome to it. :-) |
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| 08:15.22 | Fanuc98 | I mainly use floppies to install CnC code onto the Fanuc Lathes at my work. |
| 08:15.39 | nigrabiafra | hmmm |
| 08:15.42 | Nz17 | Quick poll: Who here has a floppy drive in the computer being used right now? I do. |
| 08:15.45 | nigrabiafra | punch cards may be better |
| 08:15.50 | nigrabiafra | I don't |
| 08:15.52 | Samus_Aran | wonders why people are talking to the troll as if their character is a real person |
| 08:16.05 | Fanuc98 | I do too. |
| 08:16.09 | Samus_Aran | Nz17: I haven't had a floppy diskette drive in any of my computers for at least 5 years |
| 08:16.24 | nigrabiafra | Samus_Aran you are a vile and insolent swine. Yet I respect you. |
| 08:16.38 | Samus_Aran | nigrabiafra: Groovy. |
| 08:17.05 | nigrabiafra | Once you could boot off USB the death knell sounded for the floppy |
| 08:17.09 | nigrabiafra | All hail the floppy! |
| 08:17.31 | Samus_Aran | even CD-RWs are better than floppies. floppies are unbelievably slow and unreliable |
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| 08:17.59 | Nz17 | Samus_Aran: LOL, I would agree but my good floppies all outlived my CD-RW's. |
| 08:17.59 | nigrabiafra | optical media/devices suck too |
| 08:18.01 | nigrabiafra | big time |
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| 08:18.16 | Samus_Aran | I keep everything valuable on RAID-6 |
| 08:18.18 | Blackhold | hello |
| 08:18.36 | Blackhold | wich is the program to manage lvm on debian install? |
| 08:18.45 | nick[0] | on a more technical note: neither the HPET or the LAPIC are activated at boot on my ICH4-M. Both are apparently known to cause issues (trouble waking from S3 is what I've seen) Has anyone found that one or the other is more stable and useful for power savings? |
| 08:18.46 | kkozlows | hello |
| 08:18.48 | nigrabiafra | ssd is the future baby. Once they get it sussed out .... |
| 08:18.52 | Blackhold | I'm looking for an ncurses program to manage lvm |
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| 08:19.03 | Nz17 | Samus_Aran, do you have Metroid Prime Trilogy? |
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| 08:19.23 | AlteKiet | The update manager stays "Downloading list of changes..." while the cursor shows busy. What can be the cause? google is of no help |
| 08:19.29 | Samus_Aran | Nz17: haven't had the opportunity to try any of the 3D ones as of yet. massive Metroid 2 and 3 fan |
| 08:19.59 | nigrabiafra | no one is a massive metroid 2 fan |
| 08:20.00 | nigrabiafra | no one |
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| 08:20.09 | Nz17 | Samus_Aran: I'd recommend going with the Trilogy over the individual GameCube and Wii releases. |
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| 08:20.53 | Samus_Aran | nigrabiafra: SSD are currently where LCDs were a few years ago. just now LCDs are starting to compete with CRTs, so it will be with SSDs. just like LCDs, they have the potential to be way cheaper to manufacture and more reliable |
| 08:21.08 | Samus_Aran | Nz17: is that a remake then ? |
| 08:21.39 | nigrabiafra | Samus_Aran "just now LCDs are starting to compete with CRTs" .. where do you live? You haven't been able to buy CRT monitors here for about 2 years ... |
| 08:21.47 | nigrabiafra | almost 3 |
| 08:21.53 | Nz17 | Not that Trilogy is perfect (GameCube controller support was removed in favor of pure Wii controls and a "Damn" was replaced with "no") but overall it was a great bargain at $50. Trilogy is all three games, but the first two have been updated for widescreen and Wii controls. |
| 08:22.04 | nick[0] | AlteKiet: I'm not sure what its called, but it seems to exist: http://www.ncsu.edu/it/mirror/ldp/LDP/EVMSUG/html/examdelrecur.html |
| 08:22.15 | Samus_Aran | Nz17: I've watched a lot of video footage of the first three of them. I didn't really like the last one, as it seemed too linear, everything on a path |
| 08:22.36 | nick[0] | AlteKiet: evmsn |
| 08:22.44 | nick[0] | AlteKiet: that's what it's called |
| 08:23.18 | Nz17 | Samus_Aran: To be honest, I haven't played through even one of them yet. But the presentation of the Trilogy is impressive. All three games are on one disc and enclosed in a metal keep case. |
| 08:24.01 | Nz17 | Trilogy also comes with a nice, double sided color fold-out art book. |
| 08:24.41 | Samus_Aran | nigrabiafra: LCDs switch video modes incredibly slowly compared to CRTs. LCDs refresh the screen incredibly slowly compared to all but the very, very highest end LCDs (e.g. an okay CRT can do 120Hz, even expensive LCDs can't generally go over 60Hz). colour representation and especially blacks suck. |
| 08:25.18 | nigrabiafra | Samus_Aran I'm just saying. you can't buy them here |
| 08:25.23 | Nz17 | Samus_Aran: Tell me about it. My LCD screen is so bad it's like torture when res changes. And it isn't even full color, just close. |
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| 08:25.52 | Samus_Aran | nigrabiafra: and I'm just saying, only recently have LCDs begun to compete with CRTs. graphics designers and hardcore gamers still use CRTs |
| 08:26.03 | lil_cain | Hi, is there a dpkg equivalent to rpm --setperms ? |
| 08:26.03 | nigrabiafra | I'm just saying, you can't buy them here |
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| 08:26.15 | Samus_Aran | ("compete" in terms of technology, not market share) |
| 08:26.33 | Samus_Aran | lil_cain: what does that option do ? |
| 08:26.50 | Nz17 | I wish I could buy a local, new CRT - what I have now does not compare to one. |
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| 08:27.02 | maligor | Samus_Aran, you can buy 120Hz LCD's now |
| 08:27.18 | fireba11 | maligor: actually even 200Hz ones |
| 08:27.43 | lil_cain | Samus_Aran: Resets the permissions of a package to the initially installed ones. |
| 08:27.55 | Nz17 | All: Yeah, but those LCDs are crazy pricey compared to a similar CRT. |
| 08:28.02 | Trewas | Samus_Aran: it's not so black and white, CRTs for example have sucky geometry unless they are fastidiosly set up |
| 08:29.01 | Samus_Aran | Trewas: I do like how LCDs tend to easily fill 100% of the screen |
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| 08:29.11 | Nz17 | loves it. You know you are in a good chat room when everyone is debating the merits of cathode ray tube monitors versus liquid crystal display monitors. |
| 08:29.26 | nick[0] | :-) |
| 08:29.34 | Nz17 | Samus_Aran: Keep in mind that the beginning of Metroid Prime is linear purposefully - after the start, the game opens up on an alien world and Samus has lost all of her upgrades. |
| 08:29.55 | nigrabiafra | Oh. I wouldn't touch an LCD myself, only on the laptop |
| 08:29.58 | nigrabiafra | disgusting things they are |
| 08:29.58 | nick[0] | I've heard the Dell Ultrasharp series are a decent balance of price/refresh rate/colour acuracy |
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| 08:30.35 | Samus_Aran | Trewas: but colours are awful, and very different in different areas of the screen (unless you use LED backlighting) which makes it a nightmare if you're trying to do print-press work or anything else where colour tone is essential (photo touch-ups, etc.) |
| 08:31.13 | Samus_Aran | I hate even doing web development work on laptops, the colour is always different when looking at it with a good CRT or LCD later on. :/ |
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| 08:31.37 | Nz17 | I second the motion. |
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| 08:31.46 | nick[0] | too |
| 08:31.51 | nigrabiafra | what sort of an animal would do web development? |
| 08:31.52 | Trewas | Samus_Aran: there are good LCDs, but most cheap ones use TN-panels which are fast but have not so good color accuracy and have limited viewing angles |
| 08:32.02 | Raff7 | hi, on the stable, the last local root exploit has been fixed on the kernel? |
| 08:32.06 | nigrabiafra | isn't that what you do in 2nd year university? |
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| 08:32.27 | Raff7 | i'm running 2.6.26-2 and there are no updates. |
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| 08:32.32 | Samus_Aran | Trewas: I forget to even mention the viewing angles! :p look at it a bit to the left or right, and it goes all orangey. awsome. |
| 08:32.42 | nick[0] | Trewas: hence my interest in the S-PVA Dells (cheaper than Viewsonic, you know?) |
| 08:33.04 | Nz17 | Raff7: As far as I know it has. I just updated my kernel. |
| 08:33.11 | Trewas | Samus_Aran: this (few years old) viewsonic LCD with PVA panel is far better than any CRT I had |
| 08:33.13 | themill | suspects this would be better for #debian-offtopic |
| 08:33.18 | Raff7 | may you tell me the latest one? |
| 08:33.38 | Trewas | Samus_Aran: except for black levels, of course :) |
| 08:33.45 | Samus_Aran | Trewas: but hey, I can't really complain. I'm on a 52" 1080p Samsung LCD here as the computer monitor. it's pretty nice. colours aren't as good as a CRT, but they're pretty nice (used some basic test patterns for tuning it) |
| 08:33.53 | maligor | Trewas, most people don't even calibrate their monitors so what does it matter |
| 08:34.22 | Samus_Aran | themill: sorry |
| 08:34.32 | Nz17 | is checking. |
| 08:34.48 | Samus_Aran | nigrabiafra: or what a lot of people do for a living. :) |
| 08:34.55 | Raff7 | thank you, i checked myself and i couldn't find an update with linux-image2.6.XX |
| 08:35.56 | nigrabiafra | hmm, I did "web development" (glorified LAMP and/or ASP(.NET) work) back in the day. But then I graduated. I find web developers very sad people |
| 08:36.05 | nick[0] | themill: to bring things back on topic: what do you know about forcing either/both the HPET and/or the LAPIC on a ICH4-M laptop who's BIOS disables the APIC? (I get resume from S3 errors with one/both of these, but haven't been able to isolate the cause) |
| 08:36.27 | Nz17 | Raff7: Please see http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1872 |
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| 08:36.40 | Raff7 | ok, Nz17 ty |
| 08:37.20 | themill | nick[0]: better to ask the channel than one specific person, but "/msg dpkg suspend troubleshooting" -- the guide it refers to is quite good at solving that sort of thing. |
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| 08:38.13 | kraut | moin |
| 08:39.06 | Nz17 | Raff7: I'd suggest follow the directions from http://www.debian.org/security/ and set your system to get updates from Debian's security update branch. |
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| 08:39.47 | nick[0] | themill: suspend works perfectly out of the box, but I'd like to force-enable a timer which reduces interrupts more than acpi-pm (and I've googled the topic extensively) |
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| 08:40.50 | nick[0] | themill: ...but this might not be possible, and no one in the channel (so far) seems to know the answer |
| 08:41.55 | xeon-enouf | nick[0]: you want to enable dynamic tick? NO_HZ=y ? |
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| 08:42.13 | Samus_Aran | nigrabiafra: that's like saying you find all the web pages in the world "sad". I think the web is the most amazing invention so far in human history. open press for the masses, uncontrolled by the ruling class. (I'm off now, to keep on-topic. bye.) |
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| 08:42.40 | themill | nick[0]: for that level of kernel mangling, you might be better off asking in a kernel related channel or mailing list. You'll be luck to find an answer here. |
| 08:43.07 | xeon-enouf | hrm; $ grep NO_HZ /boot/config-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 08:43.08 | xeon-enouf | CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
| 08:43.11 | nick[0] | themill xeon-enouf: I'm not familiar which those channels...could you suggest one? |
| 08:43.18 | xeon-enouf | already enabled |
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| 08:43.41 | AlteKiet | The update manager stays "Downloading list of changes..." while the cursor shows busy. What can be the cause? google is of no help |
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| 08:44.08 | Nz17 | Have fun everyone. I'm leaving now. :-) |
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| 08:44.19 | nick[0] | xeon-enouf: it's already on, but using an acpi-pm timer I get more interrupts than when I use an HPET...but ICH4 HPET seems to have resume problems on my laptop. Do you think forcing lapic as an alternative would have any benefit? |
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| 08:45.25 | mischief | hey, does anyone know why programs such as 'ftp' don't resolve dns names correctly but nslookup, dig, and host do? |
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| 08:46.16 | themill | mischief: what does "getent hosts somehostname" say? |
| 08:46.42 | mischief | nothing |
| 08:46.51 | mischief | why? o_o |
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| 08:50.53 | din_os | AlteKiet, try closing update manager and re-opening it using the orange "new updates" icon on the taskbar |
| 08:51.06 | mischief | themill, any ideas..? |
| 08:51.32 | AlteKiet | din_os: That is how I open update manager all the time. The problem exists between reboots, killing X, etc. |
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| 08:51.50 | themill | mischief: what do you have in /etc/hosts /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
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| 08:53.36 | mr_daniel | is there a good place listing and EXPLAINING error messages from dpkg (especially dpkg-i)? I tried to install a .deb package on a specific platform and the install process failes. The problem: I do not fully understand the error log: http://nopaste.info/f8093a3bbb.html |
| 08:53.39 | xeon-enouf | nick[0]: just to put it out there; ##kernel, ##hardware .. and on OFTC.net #kernelnewbies (?). Now, what arch amd64 and what setting in BIOS is disabling your APIC? Can you post your system specs? atleast a lspci -nn and /var/log/dmesg |
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| 08:54.02 | mr_daniel | I only know that dpkg tries to overwrite a specific file. But WHY overwrite a file? It already exists! |
| 08:55.03 | mr_daniel | my problem is that I do not know what dpkg tries to achieve when I install the specific package, and I also do not know what dpkg wants from me. Do I need to rename or mv the file? |
| 08:55.22 | xeon-enouf | mr_daniel: possibly unmet Depends? |
| 08:55.43 | cast | mr_daniel: looks like a crap package |
| 08:55.52 | cast | mr_daniel: where did it come from? |
| 08:55.52 | xeon-enouf | mr_daniel: i didn't look at your pastebin yet though |
| 08:56.23 | mr_daniel | cast: it comes from this repository http://apt.saurik.com/debs/ |
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| 08:57.02 | mr_daniel | also the following error messages perplexes me: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 08:57.12 | nick[0] | xeon-enouf: i386, it's a Thinkpad X32 BIOS with very few options. lspci -nn is here: |
| 08:57.16 | nick[0] | http://pastebin.com/d299a9fec |
| 08:57.27 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process means another instance is running, possibly even apt-get or aptitude |
| 08:57.27 | dpkg | ...but status database area is already something else... |
| 08:57.48 | mr_daniel | is the 'pipe broken' because the .deb package is broken, or is the 'pipe broken' just as an consequence of the previous error message |
| 08:58.08 | mr_daniel | the status thing is no problem |
| 08:58.41 | xeon-enouf | sodon't paste bullshit |
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| 08:58.45 | mr_daniel | so what I need is information about the BEHAVIOUR of dpkg, unfortunately I am not able to find a good doc about it |
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| 08:59.06 | xeon-enouf | and that pkg sucks ass |
| 08:59.31 | nick[0] | xeon-enouf: thanks for the channel suggestions, btw! |
| 08:59.31 | themill | mr_daniel: that package is broken. No amount of information is going to solve that problem. |
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| 09:00.21 | mr_daniel | ok, this implies that I need to 'learn' dpkg and how it works, and also how a .deb package is made, and WHAT IS VERY IMPORTANT, how to 'extract' a .deb and search for an error |
| 09:00.29 | ultralazer | mr_daniel you might try forcing the package to install and then one by one adding in missing dependencies when the program does not start it should say why. |
| 09:00.36 | mr_daniel | it there a good starting to begin learning dkpg? |
| 09:00.36 | xeon-enouf | nick[0]: ok |
| 09:01.01 | mischief | mr_daniel, the manpage |
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| 09:01.10 | themill | mr_daniel: the error is that the you have two packages that contain the same file. That's not allowed. Places to start reading: /msg dpkg nmg ; /msg dpkg policy ; man dpkg |
| 09:01.57 | mr_daniel | thank you for the information themill (same file in two packages), that is EXACTLY the information I need to figure out the problem |
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| 09:02.55 | mr_daniel | Maybe the dpkg packages tries to alter or modify the existing file, Is this allowed? Modifying a exiting file from ANOTHER package? |
| 09:03.02 | themill | mr_daniel: that's what dpkg told you in the error message. (line 7 of your paste) |
| 09:03.19 | cast | baffles me you had to be told that :\ |
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| 09:03.31 | themill | mr_daniel: [10:01] <themill> mr_daniel: the error is that the you have two packages that contain the same file. That's not allowed. Places to start reading: /msg dpkg nmg ; /msg dpkg policy ; man dpkg |
| 09:03.56 | mr_daniel | right themill :) sorry for 'double-asking' |
| 09:04.34 | xeon-enouf | nick[0]: also; ##ibmthinkpad here might have some nice suggestions; see it's /topic atleast |
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| 09:06.05 | nick[0] | xeon-enouf: brilliant. I didn't know the channel existed. Thank you. |
| 09:07.58 | nick[0] | <sigh> I'll have to look into it tomorrow though, it's gotten too late here. |
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| 09:15.47 | tdn | In /etc/cron.d/foo, can I define which shell to be used? |
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| 09:16.31 | cast | sure, in the first line |
| 09:17.23 | fireba11 | hi, i replaced a mainboard. now the new one got the same realtek 8111c lan chip but it doesn't get detected. what can i do to get it working? |
| 09:17.39 | fireba11 | (new one is slightly different model .. ) |
| 09:18.23 | cast | fireba11: detected by linux or your DE? |
| 09:19.15 | fireba11 | cast: i booted my old installation again. says no eth0 ... do i need to force a hardware detection somehow? up untill now this always has worked with debian |
| 09:20.10 | cast | it's not disabled in the bios is it? |
| 09:20.19 | fireba11 | cast: nope :-) |
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| 09:20.51 | cast | i'm out of ideas. other than to boot up a livecd and check if it comes up, |
| 09:21.00 | xeon-enouf | !70 |
| 09:21.00 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 09:21.07 | xeon-enouf | wrong MAC address perhaps |
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| 09:21.40 | jmarsden | fireba11: You may find the MAC address of the old card in some config files... I forget where exactly... |
| 09:22.15 | jmarsden | Ah, dpkg knows :) |
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| 09:22.40 | xeon-enouf | fireba11: and in initrd - once you get it right, run update-initramfs or just dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` might do |
| 09:22.41 | fireba11 | xeon-enouf: is that default? because it's a fresh install and i didn not make any persistent rules for sure |
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| 09:23.19 | jmarsden | fireba11: Those config files are created automatically. |
| 09:23.26 | xeon-enouf | < fireba11> cast: i booted my old installation again. says no eth0 ... |
| 09:23.55 | fireba11 | xeon-enouf: well the install is only two weeks old, box was unstable so i had hardware replaced |
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| 09:24.29 | jmarsden | fireba11: Just edit the mac addresses to match the current hardware and then regen your initrd :) |
| 09:24.46 | fireba11 | jmarsden: well i got no idea what the mac is ^^ |
| 09:25.21 | fireba11 | ah well ill find out |
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| 09:27.15 | xeon-enouf | fireba11: IINM, you can delete that file, but just mv it elsewhere - then run /lib/udev/write_net_rules or something |
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| 09:28.01 | xeon-enouf | sigh (but as i said, your initrd likely has it as well) |
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| 09:32.53 | fireba11 | hmm |
| 09:33.59 | xeon-enouf | $ cd /tmp ; mkdir ./initrd-30 ; cd ./initrd-30 ; cp /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-1-686 . ;zcat initrd.img-2.6.30-1-686 | cpio -i ; rgrep eth0 . |
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| 09:34.36 | xeon-enouf | ./etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules:SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:08:5f:..... , ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" |
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| 09:35.47 | xeon-enouf | fireba11: your initrd is generated upon installation - and installation of each kernel |
| 09:36.09 | fireba11 | i already had dpkg reconfigure the kernel package ..no effect |
| 09:36.11 | Rahim | can I prevent access toa folder in ntfs partitions? |
| 09:36.51 | xeon-enouf | fireba11: yeah, well, without making any changes, d-r l-i-$version isn't going to do much |
| 09:36.59 | Rahim | when i check their permissions on ntfs, all folder have 777 access |
| 09:37.10 | xeon-enouf | Rahim: ask ##windows ;-) |
| 09:37.27 | xeon-enouf | Rahim: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
| 09:37.28 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: haha....funny......I use Debian :P |
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| 09:38.03 | xeon-enouf | Rahim: ntfs has no concept of unices permissions, it has it's own ideas |
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| 09:38.13 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: even if i chmod of the folders, when i reboot, it changes back to 777 |
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| 09:38.30 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: I know, just wanted to confirm, thats all |
| 09:38.36 | xeon-enouf | dude, stop using ntfs-3g and fuse - what can i tell you |
| 09:39.01 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: i know unix permissions dont work on htfs/vat partitions, just wanted to clear the ideas |
| 09:39.18 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: one of my buddy has recently shifted to Mint, so he asked this query |
| 09:40.04 | xeon-enouf | Rahim: but preventing access (from even viewing) ... likely might require some sort of encryption container, like maybe truecrypt or similar |
| 09:41.57 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: forget it. But is there a way so that only I can mount that partition? |
| 09:42.05 | xeon-enouf | Rahim: i don't know if this would work for ntfs, and it's older now ; http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-truecrypt-5.1a-on-debian-etch-gnome |
| 09:42.08 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: some editing of fstab perhaps? |
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| 09:42.34 | xeon-enouf | yes, are you the only one with root privs? |
| 09:42.42 | dutchfish | Rahim, you can do ACL by samba if you want to use this, but not on FS level |
| 09:42.46 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: uah |
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| 09:43.18 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: I want that ntfs partition to NOT mount automatically on boot, |
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| 09:43.44 | xeon-enouf | Rahim: mount requires root - unless fstab is setup to allow for uid=$USER,gid=$GROUP but that's with vfat, not sure about ntfs |
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| 09:44.02 | xeon-enouf | Rahim: and .. if /mnt/point is chown user:group prior |
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| 09:44.15 | themill | I can extract the package version from a currently running kernel with "cat /proc/version" (tells me 2.6.26-17lenny2) but is there a way to extract this information from an unpacked kernel image? |
| 09:44.27 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: so if i edit the fstab and do "noauto" in options, it wont boot, but any option which will allow only me to mount it? |
| 09:44.40 | xeon-enouf | Rahim: pmount, FUSE modules etc allow for userspace mounts, so you might need to remove other users freom certain groups |
| 09:44.52 | dutchfish | themill, you mean a linux-image-foo.deb form Debian |
| 09:45.02 | xeon-enouf | won;'t boot? wtf4x!? |
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| 09:45.29 | dutchfish | themill, or a plain bzip2 tar vanilla? |
| 09:46.04 | beardy | Sounds yummy. |
| 09:46.08 | themill | dutchfish: initially for a debian package; the objective is to test (quickly) if the kernel image on disk is the same as the kernel that is running (which isn't necessarily the case if you've just installed the latest 2.6.2-2-686 update, for example) |
| 09:46.10 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: I am asking a simpler solution, where only I or root can mount such a partition |
| 09:46.19 | xeon-enouf | themill: dpkg -x file pkg.deb ; cat <something> ? |
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| 09:46.32 | xeon-enouf | hrm... |
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| 09:47.03 | xeon-enouf | Rahim: i don't know what you're asking anymore ... apologies if i misunderstand |
| 09:47.05 | themill | xeon-enouf: from /boot/vmlinuz-* not from the debian package and not using apt/dpkg tools to look at package versions either, preferably. |
| 09:47.07 | xeon-enouf | !ntfsro |
| 09:47.07 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 09:47.29 | dutchfish | themill, /INFO in the deb contains what you are looing for |
| 09:47.35 | xeon-enouf | themill: ahh .. hrmm... |
| 09:47.51 | themill | dutchfish: from the vmlinuz image not from the deb |
| 09:48.04 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: it seems using "noauto" & "nouser" in the fstab options would solve my problem, as this wont mount it at boot and wont allow anybody except root to mount it |
| 09:48.12 | dutchfish | themill, ah ok, the binary |
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| 09:48.30 | themill | this information is *somewhere* in the kernel.... probably need to extract the embedded archive first or something ;( |
| 09:48.56 | xeon-enouf | themill: 0$ zgrep -o '2.6.26' /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 09:48.58 | xeon-enouf | Binary file (standard input) matches |
| 09:49.07 | xeon-enouf | 0$ zgrep -o '2.6.28' /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-68 <--fails |
| 09:49.14 | Rahim | xeon-enouf: thanks anyway |
| 09:49.38 | themill | xeon-enouf: strings will give you 2.6.26; I need the package version (2.6.26-17lenny2) |
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| 09:50.12 | xeon-enouf | themill: zgrep -o '2.6.26-2-686' /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 == Binary file (standard input) matches |
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| 09:50.21 | xeon-enouf | zgrep -o '2.6.26-1-686' /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 <--fails |
| 09:50.42 | xeon-enouf | oh? ...hrm |
| 09:50.43 | themill | xeon-enouf: that's still not what I'm looking for. That's only looking at the debian ABI version not the debian package version |
| 09:50.49 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 09:52.58 | jelly-home | themill: how do you manage to have "unpacked kernel image" but no package control files anyway! |
| 09:54.09 | dutchfish | themill, i dont know how to catch it, but with okteta you can see it at ~0000:3060 version build date etc |
| 09:54.39 | dutchfish | themill, dumpbin? |
| 09:54.40 | themill | jelly-home: $user could also have their own kernel there, of course. (and querying apt for this would be slow; this *should* be an incredibly quick thing to look up as the kernel does so during resume from s2disk very easily |
| 09:54.57 | dutchfish | themill, intresting |
| 09:55.31 | jelly-home | ah, early userspace |
| 09:55.33 | dutchfish | themill, but you still do not know if thats the one wich is running atm if there ar emore |
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| 09:55.59 | themill | dutchfish: yeah, compilation date might almost be good enough |
| 09:56.27 | xeon-enouf | well, any zgrep or 'deb' fails, so ... .. but.. well; grep linux-image /var/lib/dpkg/status is all i can think of offhand atm |
| 09:56.34 | fireba11 | xeon-enouf: got it. new nic got added to udev rules, but as eth1, and firewire was already named eth1 .. renamed it to eth0 and removed the old entry and it worked |
| 09:56.43 | dutchfish | themill, yep compilation date is also in around 0000:3090 |
| 09:56.48 | xeon-enouf | s/any zgrep *of*/ |
| 09:57.02 | xeon-enouf | fireba11: right |
| 09:57.28 | themill | xeon-enouf: zgrep gives up trying gunzip if the file doesn't start with the magic number for a gz file |
| 09:58.01 | themill | dutchfish: yeah. It moves from kernel to kernel though so that's not a great approach. I might try poking around in initramfs to see what uswsusp is doing during resume |
| 09:58.02 | xeon-enouf | fireba11: my debootstrap installation also grabbed/tied eth0 to whatever eth1394 is in this thing ; and my wired NIC to eth1 .. apt-get didn't like that ;-) |
| 09:58.44 | dutchfish | themill, you can even see on what station it is compiled in there |
| 09:58.54 | fireba11 | xeon-enouf: yes, i had that on etch a couple times |
| 09:58.59 | xeon-enouf | themill: here, zgrep atleast tells me if there's a match within /boot/vmlinuz* |
| 09:59.15 | fireba11 | xeon-enouf: worked normally but is unexpected for the admin to have the first nic as eth1 |
| 09:59.16 | mquin | g25 |
| 09:59.55 | xeon-enouf | themill: but i understand .. yes, tar and gzip need a .gz or something it seems many times, messing with my initrd-* has proven that to me |
| 10:00.23 | fireba11 | xeon-enouf: ah, new new board version doesn't have firewire, maybe that caused eth1 to be used twice |
| 10:00.38 | themill | xeon-enouf: the raw 2.6.26-2-686 string (i.e. not gzipped) is in the kernel so plain grep would tell you it matches, no zlib required |
| 10:01.16 | xeon-enouf | themill: ok, well, isn't it either 'important' or 'required' ? |
| 10:01.37 | xeon-enouf | (gzip that is) |
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| 10:06.48 | Entmoot | hi |
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| 10:13.02 | antonis_wrx | hi I am trying to install debian on my dell xps studio |
| 10:13.09 | antonis_wrx | I need some help with the partitioning |
| 10:13.34 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: Ask your question |
| 10:14.00 | antonis_wrx | there is a 16.1 ntfs partition "recovery" which I will not change |
| 10:14.09 | cast | he's got to set the mood first |
| 10:14.22 | antonis_wrx | I deleted the 300gb which containted vista orignally |
| 10:14.25 | cast | ok, then don't change it. |
| 10:14.42 | antonis_wrx | I made a 30gb partition ext3 (primary) for / |
| 10:14.42 | cast | personally, i'd toast the recovery partition, there's nothing worth keeping there.. |
| 10:14.54 | antonis_wrx | then 2gb swap (primary) |
| 10:15.07 | antonis_wrx | and I can't format the rest as /home |
| 10:15.13 | cast | sure you can |
| 10:15.15 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: How much RAM you hae? 1GB? |
| 10:15.18 | antonis_wrx | 4 |
| 10:15.51 | antonis_wrx | for the remaining 270gb it says "unusable" and there s no create partition option |
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| 10:16.07 | cast | do you for some reason already have 4 partitions? |
| 10:16.11 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: How many Promary partition you have? |
| 10:16.20 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: I think you said 3 Pri. |
| 10:16.21 | antonis_wrx | 4 |
| 10:16.32 | antonis_wrx | there is a 131mb fa16 part also |
| 10:16.32 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: 1 Recovery, One / and One Swap? |
| 10:16.40 | antonis_wrx | fat16 |
| 10:16.45 | antonis_wrx | don't know what is it |
| 10:16.45 | jelly-home | antonis_wrx: you cannot have more than 4 primary partitions. |
| 10:16.49 | cast | uh miss out the important one.. |
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| 10:17.10 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: Why do don't create 2 primary partition and install all your debian in second primary partition (and extendeds) |
| 10:17.12 | cast | FWIW i'd make a /boot, and put the rest on LVM and have to deal with this partition limit crap less so |
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| 10:17.36 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: Do you know diff between Primary and Extended Partition? |
| 10:18.07 | antonis_wrx | I read it on wikipedia but I can't find out how to create an extended part |
| 10:18.10 | cast | on a unfragmented filesystem a swapfile will be about as fast as a swap partition, so that's one way to save on a partition |
| 10:18.11 | jelly-home | antonis_wrx: you'll have to convert at least one primary part. into a logical one |
| 10:18.54 | jelly-home | antonis_wrx: pastebin your fdisk -l of that disk |
| 10:19.29 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: You can Have just 4 Primary partition on x86 (i386) platforms. (intel or equivalent AMD) so to handle more partiions we create 2 or 3 primary and then one extended, that this extended can contain 64 more partitions |
| 10:19.38 | xeon-enouf | themill: my bad, now i know what you mean, i presumed it was a gz file, heh... anyways; grep '2.6.26-2-686 (unknown@Debian) #1 SMP Sun Jun 21 04:57:38 UTC 2009' vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 works, but then you have to match that with pkgname? |
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| 10:20.05 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: plz write my name befor your post, it's help me and others know you are talking with whom, thx |
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| 10:20.27 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: so you have One primary for Recovery (from Manufactory) |
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| 10:20.31 | xeon-enouf | themill: 'file vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686' even grabs a chunk of that |
| 10:20.46 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: ow create One Other Primary (If you want Windows) |
| 10:20.57 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: and create One Extended |
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| 10:21.31 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: the extented one all the rest 300gb? |
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| 10:21.38 | jelly-home | antonis_wrx: right |
| 10:21.39 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: in new Extended create One / for debian, One /home for debian and SWAP for debian, and if you have 4GB RAM creat 6 GB SWAP |
| 10:22.03 | jelly-home | Ozux: 6GB swap is a bit too much, innit |
| 10:22.05 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: for the extended I choose a mount point or sth? |
| 10:22.13 | jelly-home | antonis_wrx: no |
| 10:22.14 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: How much is your entire storage? |
| 10:22.18 | xeon-enouf | i suggest no Ext'd (+ logical) partitions, |
| 10:22.30 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: "dont mount it"? |
| 10:22.34 | dutchfish | themill, the running kernel hint: cat /proc/kallsyms | grep check_version |
| 10:22.50 | xeon-enouf | !partitions |
| 10:22.50 | dpkg | You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions". Partition manipulators include <fdisk>, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>. Also ask about <list partitions>. Linux Partition HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/. Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 10:22.52 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: and not bootable? |
| 10:22.53 | Ozux | xeon-enouf: why? |
| 10:23.04 | Dumb0 | jelly-home, swap = Total size RAM X 2 |
| 10:23.17 | jelly-home | Ozux: you probably should have avoided the extd. part. story and just told him to make his swap a logical partition instead of a primary |
| 10:23.20 | jelly-home | Dumb0: yeah, in 1995 maybe |
| 10:23.20 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: It's not make difference for Linux to be bootable or not |
| 10:23.21 | xeon-enouf | Ozux: non-ease of manipulation - all sorts of probs for those not familiar, especially windows users |
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| 10:23.59 | jelly-home | Dumb0: if a system has filled up its swap up to 4GB, it's not coming back in a reasonable time |
| 10:24.04 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: ok I created the extended one |
| 10:24.16 | Ozux | jelly-home: Yep I have 4 GB for my 4GB RAM, but documentations say 2x for less than 4GB and x+2 for 4GB and more, but we know if you use Swap so you need RAM ;) |
| 10:24.22 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: how do I create the / swap and /home parts in it |
| 10:24.35 | dutchfish | themill, and Symbol table '.symtab' contains 5 entries thats what you are looking for |
| 10:24.36 | Dumb0 | jelly-home, ok |
| 10:24.51 | themill | dutchfish: interesting... will have a look. thanks |
| 10:24.55 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: "configure LVM" ? |
| 10:25.51 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: In debian Installer you can partition your storage (HDD), create new partition and select extended (Logical) in installer |
| 10:25.56 | jelly-home | Ozux: any swap larger than 4GB looks useless to me, except if you're a sysadmin that _knows_ the workload will use that in normal work |
| 10:26.04 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: I perefer to NT Config LVM |
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| 10:26.41 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: ok i created the extended one from the debian installer |
| 10:26.57 | themill | dutchfish: what are you running objdump against to find that? |
| 10:26.58 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: afterwards? I use "configure LVM"? |
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| 10:27.13 | Ozux | jelly-home: I agree, we change RAM (add them) if swap usage is more than 500MB in systems and Swap space usage is just for preventing applications from crash |
| 10:27.27 | dutchfish | themill, you cant, you have first to make an an ELF bin before you can do that ;) |
| 10:27.42 | themill | dutchfish: yes,.. I was afraid of that |
| 10:27.46 | dutchfish | themill, http://www.developerweb.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-3777.html |
| 10:27.54 | dutchfish | themill, but thats easy to do |
| 10:28.26 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: themill $ grep check_version /boot/System.map-2.6.30-1-686 ? |
| 10:28.30 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: Nope don't use LVM |
| 10:28.41 | dutchfish | themill, what i would do look up from /proc/kallsyms the jump vector and memdump that fro a running kernel |
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| 10:29.07 | dutchfish | themill, thats the fastest way |
| 10:29.38 | themill | dutchfish: *eek*. Actually, I suspect the running kernel is the easy case; it's the not-running kernel that is harder |
| 10:29.56 | dutchfish | themill, the make elf and use objdump |
| 10:30.20 | Ozux | xeon-enouf: from that point of view, yes, logical partition is little more tricky to trouble shoot for newbies ... |
| 10:30.21 | dutchfish | themill, but ... i dont know if the .symtab is being stripped in Debian |
| 10:30.26 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: how do I procceed |
| 10:30.27 | antonis_wrx | ? |
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| 10:31.13 | xeon-enouf | Ozux: too manydon't realize how the xMBR starts within Ext'd then jumps to logicals in a chain.... etc |
| 10:31.21 | dutchfish | themill, or a hack around make hash table for all known kernels if they are stock kernels, to identify |
| 10:31.41 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: Proceed what? |
| 10:31.52 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: write changes ? |
| 10:31.57 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: I have the logical partiotion now |
| 10:32.11 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: shouldn't I create the /home / swap in it? |
| 10:32.27 | themill | dutchfish: since this is to cope with new kernels being installed on the system, it has to deal with unknown kernels |
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| 10:32.43 | xeon-enouf | Ozux: they think, oh ,well hda3 is after hda2 in my fdisk output, i'll just rm hda2, which will slide hda3 down, then recreate hda2 in hda6 slot .. that kind ofcrap |
| 10:32.43 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: nice, so what's your partitioning layout now? |
| 10:32.54 | dutchfish | themill, yeh, already was afraid of that, the elf conversion is the last resort then |
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| 10:33.17 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: primary 131mb (from manufacturer) , primary 16gb recovery and 300gb ext3 logical |
| 10:33.25 | Ozux | xeon-enouf: LoL, but if any think in that way and don't RTFM or double check better to not join Linux community ;) |
| 10:33.39 | xeon-enouf | themill: you're working on tweaking (or adding functionality) to judd? (just a WAG) |
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| 10:33.46 | dutchfish | themill, if this is from a security stand point of view i strongly suggest the last resort |
| 10:33.47 | xeon-enouf | Ozux: right! |
| 10:34.03 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: Oops, have you more space? |
| 10:34.13 | themill | xeon-enouf: not for judd, http://bugs.debian.org/442470 is an itch that I felt the need to scratch today |
| 10:34.13 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: I think you don't have |
| 10:34.14 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: no |
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| 10:35.11 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: So remove 300 GB, Then Create 1.Logical X GB for / 2. Logical Y GB for /home 3 . Logical 4GB for SWAP |
| 10:35.34 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: X + Y + 4 GB = 300GB (means your entire free space) |
| 10:36.16 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: You don't want to install other Operating system on LapTop like Windows or Solaris? |
| 10:36.28 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: If no so that Layout is great |
| 10:36.44 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: Than means my suggested layout |
| 10:36.50 | Ozux | sthan/that/ |
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| 10:37.04 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: hm no.. I hope I'll manage with windows only on wm like now |
| 10:37.09 | antonis_wrx | *vm |
| 10:37.22 | xeon-enouf | Ozux: and *that* scenario i present happens all too often, since many ppl i've seen create/start with hda1, end up wanting to add linux, make hda2 as ext'd (but not entire disk - or many times yes, entire disk, then want to shrink it), then create hda5,6,7 ... then they create hda3 and hda4 afterwards ..that;s when the fireworks fly :-P |
| 10:38.01 | Ozux | Ozux: lol |
| 10:38.05 | xeon-enouf | KISS is my motto ;-) |
| 10:38.07 | Ozux | xeon-enouf: |
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| 10:40.20 | aprendiz001 | Hi all, I want to migrate syslogd to ryslogd, ¿how can I remove sysklogd? |
| 10:40.29 | xeon-enouf | themill: ahh .. ok - let me see that buggaboo |
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| 10:41.38 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: there no option for swap... should I enter it manually? |
| 10:41.38 | Ozux | aprendiz001: apt-get remore --purge sysklogd ? Is it works? |
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| 10:42.16 | Ozux | aprendiz001: actually I never use rsyslogd but I think that command helps yo to remove Syslogd |
| 10:42.18 | aprendiz001 | it is not a package |
| 10:42.45 | aprendiz001 | in debian lenny release said to remove manually |
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| 10:42.50 | aprendiz001 | but I don 't know how |
| 10:42.53 | Ozux | aprendiz001: oops! so let me see my test system |
| 10:42.53 | zophy-64bit | is there anyone here that is going to the lifelight concert ? |
| 10:42.58 | xeon-enouf | themill: i don't know if this is relevant, but another user asked me once recently about a file called /etc/kernel/*/last-known-good-boot or similarly named - now, they're using *buntu IIRC, and we know files in /etc/kernel are newer 'kernel-package' related |
| 10:44.01 | pbn | hi there... I'm running Debian testing 32-bit, and I can't find the bigmem kernel.... "aptitude search 2.6.26 | grep bigmem" yields nothing... where is the bigmem package ? or perhaps did I do something wrong... ? |
| 10:44.03 | themill | xeon-enouf: interesting thought. Working out what file on disk is supposed to correspond to the running kernel is another challenge in this. |
| 10:44.15 | themill | pbn: testing has 2.6.30 |
| 10:44.34 | pbn | themill: ah so I should install 2.6.30 ? |
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| 10:46.19 | Ozux | aprendiz001: But I have Sysklogd Package: ii sysklogd 1.4.1-18 System Logging Daemon |
| 10:46.19 | zophy-64bit | a wolfe in sheepes clothing |
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| 10:46.33 | xeon-enouf | themill: that * might be /initramfs-*/ i can't recall exact path... /etc/kernel/post{inst,rm}.d/ perhaps? http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/README.txt (i recall scanning that for 'last' and coming up empty for the fellow, but i asked him to pastebin that file's contents, and it was a one line shell script - i think /usr/sbin/last-boot or something) |
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| 10:47.44 | xeon-enouf | themill: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/272885 and now i recall it's /usr/sbin/kernel-helper |
| 10:48.30 | aprendiz001 | Ozux, yo right |
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| 10:49.31 | xeon-enouf | themill: lastly http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1190917 (just posting these for reference) i'm done |
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| 10:49.57 | themill | xeon-enouf: thanks -- will read to see what I find. |
| 10:50.09 | xeon-enouf | pbn: aptitude update ? |
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| 10:53.29 | xeon-enouf | themill: maybe we should push to enable the typical /proc/config.gz (not sure that would help, but) |
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| 10:54.04 | themill | xeon-enouf: unfortunately doesn't help anyway in this case |
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| 10:55.58 | mg_ | Hello, I have just installed a clean Debian from netinstall, and have installed mono develop. Problem is, I have no completion suggestions on C# libraries. |
| 10:56.06 | mg_ | This is monodevelop 2..0 |
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| 10:56.23 | mg_ | And Debian testing |
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| 10:56.25 | antonis_wrx | Ozux: ok thanks, it is downloading now :) |
| 10:56.42 | ASIRIneiluj | hi ! |
| 10:56.52 | xeon-enouf | seems config IKCONFIG and IKCONFIG_PROC are the options |
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| 10:57.19 | ASIRIneiluj | I was wondering what all these /var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/X-Debian*.desktop files are |
| 10:57.20 | Ozux | antonis_wrx: No Problem |
| 10:57.33 | ASIRIneiluj | they seem to be duplicate of other .desktop files |
| 10:57.34 | xeon-enouf | $ grep IKCONFIG_PROC /boot/config-2.6.30-1-686 yields nothing :-( ... wait .. wtf? |
| 10:57.39 | ASIRIneiluj | with different icons |
| 10:58.05 | ASIRIneiluj | does anyone have any information on why they are needed ? |
| 10:58.16 | xeon-enouf | wtf? that's a GIT linux-2.6 |
| 10:59.27 | ASIRIneiluj | and dpkg -S finds no packet that contain those |
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| 11:00.10 | xeon-enouf | omg, i'm in ~/GIT/linux-2.6 dir with source, and i don't even know how to get the $VERSION, lmao |
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| 11:02.33 | xeon-enouf | haha .. ./arch/arm/configs/omap_4430sdp_defconfig:# Linux kernel version: 2.6.30-rc7 |
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| 11:04.01 | xeon-enouf | ./arch/x86/configs/i386_defconfig:# Linux kernel version: 2.6.30-rc2 |
| 11:04.13 | xeon-enouf | is the best my grepping can come up with :-P |
| 11:04.46 | ASIRIneiluj | seems we're both talking for ourselves and ourselves only ... |
| 11:04.48 | xeon-enouf | guesses debian patches just wipe out those two IKCONFIG options ... |
| 11:05.10 | xeon-enouf | l$ grep IKCONFIG /boot/config-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 11:05.11 | xeon-enouf | # CONFIG_IKCONFIG is not set |
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| 11:05.30 | xeon-enouf | aha .. so withuot THAT one, the other one IKCONFIG_PROC won't even appear |
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| 11:17.42 | koshie_ | Hi |
| 11:19.34 | grand_grunt | hi koshie_ |
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| 11:20.11 | grand_grunt | koshie_: Are you the koshie_ of ubuntu-fr? :) |
| 11:20.24 | anewbie | hello there guys i just have instal 2 monitors on my nvidia videcard i use debian lenny + nv kernel module how can i switch between the monitors |
| 11:20.24 | anewbie | ? |
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| 11:23.46 | koshie_ | grand_grunt: nan pourquoi ? |
| 11:23.53 | koshie_ | :) |
| 11:24.00 | qiyong | hi all, how can i download .deb files with apt-get? |
| 11:24.11 | koshie_ | qiyong: what di you type in your shell ? |
| 11:24.14 | koshie_ | did* |
| 11:24.21 | koshie_ | (sorry for my english :]) |
| 11:24.24 | qiyong | koshie_: i don't know |
| 11:24.31 | qiyong | koshie_: what to type |
| 11:24.32 | Dumb0 | qiyong, apt-get sources ? |
| 11:24.44 | koshie_ | oh I've don't read correctly your question :) |
| 11:24.47 | qiyong | koshie_: i want the .deb |
| 11:24.54 | Dumb0 | koshie_, it's seems you speak french :P |
| 11:24.55 | koshie_ | One sec, i see the man |
| 11:25.14 | abrotman | qiyong: apt-get install foo ... it will get them for you |
| 11:25.31 | chellomere | qiyong, you just want to download, without installing? |
| 11:25.46 | abrotman | or apt-get --print-uris install foo |
| 11:26.00 | chellomere | apt-get -d install foo to just download |
| 11:26.09 | koshie_ | Dumb0: yeah. |
| 11:26.13 | Dumb0 | qiyong, apt-get source foo |
| 11:26.29 | abrotman | eh? |
| 11:26.30 | chellomere | Dumb0, I doubt he wants the source package. |
| 11:26.46 | koshie_ | Dumb0: and I'm not very good in English :) |
| 11:26.48 | Dumb0 | chellomere, ok |
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| 11:27.04 | chellomere | Dumb0, to get a .deb out of it, he'd have to build it. |
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| 11:27.23 | Dumb0 | koshie_, there is no good in english except William Shakespeare :P |
| 11:27.27 | koshie_ | qiyong: you don't download the .deb on the Debian website ? |
| 11:27.39 | koshie_ | can't* |
| 11:28.13 | Dumb0 | chellomere, I see now |
| 11:28.24 | koshie_ | http://packages.debian.org/search?lang=en&suite=lenny&searchon=names&keywords=foo ? |
| 11:29.19 | qiyong | koshie_ thanks |
| 11:29.22 | qiyong | bye |
| 11:29.25 | koshie_ | ++ |
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| 11:33.28 | grand_grunt | I'm trying to blacklist a module and "force" another, what is the good way to do so? |
| 11:34.03 | abrotman | !tell grand_grunt about blacklist |
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| 11:39.44 | Agiofws | hi |
| 11:39.47 | Agiofws | yesterday my machine froze not even the caps button was working ... | but i could still ssh to it and save my files from there and kill the processes that were "freezing" it ... can someone explain to me why did my ssh session work when everything else was not working not even my tty's |
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| 11:49.31 | fireba11 | Agiofws: you got lucky :-) |
| 11:49.49 | frealek | hi... I'm trying to load an external driver (e100) on an USB stick when installing debian netinstall with the latest installer (kernel 2.6.26-2-486), I loaded the e100.ko module from linux-image-2.6.26-2-486_2.6.26-17lenny2_i386.deb on the USB key, but I get "unknown symbol" mii_ethtool_sset... mii_link_ok... etc... where can I find docs on how to load external drivers when installing debian ? thanks in advance |
| 11:50.44 | abrotman | frealek: what's wrong with the e100 in lenny alreayd? |
| 11:50.48 | themill | frealek: what's wrong with the e100 driver already in the installer? |
| 11:50.59 | frealek | my e100 doesn't seem to be detected |
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| 11:51.13 | abrotman | so you replaced it with the same driver ? |
| 11:51.31 | frealek | well, I thought the netinstall didn't include this one |
| 11:52.00 | abrotman | frealek: what is the PCIID of the device? |
| 11:52.47 | frealek | 01:08.0 |
| 11:53.01 | abrotman | that's not a pciid |
| 11:53.06 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
| 11:53.29 | frealek | sorry :) 8086:103d |
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| 11:53.39 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:103d |
| 11:53.44 | judd | abrotman: [8086:103d] is '82801DB PRO/100 VE (MOB) Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'e100', 'eepro100' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:103d |
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| 11:53.53 | frealek | hum, I bet it's not e100.ko but eepro100.ko then |
| 11:53.55 | abrotman | seems like it should work fine in lenny |
| 11:54.14 | frealek | hum so it is ment to work with netinst ? |
| 11:54.41 | themill | frealek: yes. What's happening that makes you say that it's not? |
| 11:54.53 | frealek | it fails saying it doesn't find any network card... |
| 11:54.58 | stianm | Anyone tryed ext4 and software raid together? I have learned that grub2 don't work well with software raid while grub-legacy don't like ext4 too mutch. |
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| 11:55.58 | frealek | themill: wait I think it's a "human" problem... |
| 11:56.18 | valdyn | stianm: the part about grub2 is nonsense |
| 11:56.50 | valdyn | stianm: and only grub2 supports raids at all |
| 11:57.07 | valdyn | stianm: grub (1) can just boot raid1 because each mirror is like a non-raid setup |
| 11:57.16 | frealek | themill: sorry for the time spent, I skipped a menu item on the installer... |
| 11:57.21 | frealek | geez |
| 11:57.44 | themill | hehe |
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| 11:59.00 | abrotman | in expert mode? |
| 11:59.02 | stianm | valdyn: really? how to set it up? Fom my current grub2 UUID is used and that would not work well since the the two disks in a raid setup would get different UUID. |
| 11:59.33 | frealek | abrotman, sorry don't blame me for using expert mode ;) I'm tired... sorry sorry |
| 11:59.45 | abrotman | wait .. you have to explicitly choose expert mode! |
| 11:59.51 | valdyn | stianm: i cant tell you how, i just something even more complex |
| 12:00.13 | abrotman | missing a verb ? |
| 12:00.21 | valdyn | stianm: my grub 2 boots off lvm on raid1 and I only give root=/dev/mapper/system-root |
| 12:01.28 | frealek | abrotman, I'm getting back from ubuntu, that's why I failed at installing debian now :) |
| 12:02.06 | abrotman | oh sure .. blame someone else .. |
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| 12:03.22 | stianm | valdyn: I gues that means I just have to try then, if I use advanced install with squeeze it should install grub2 automaticly if I use a raid0 setup when I setup my disks |
| 12:04.45 | antonis_wrx | I am trying to install debian |
| 12:04.49 | antonis_wrx | installing grub fails |
| 12:05.07 | fireba11 | antonis_wrx: error message? |
| 12:05.23 | antonis_wrx | running 'grub-install --no-floppy --rechck "(hd0"" failed |
| 12:05.36 | antonis_wrx | the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 12:06.59 | koshie_ | In Sid, what is the release of KDE 4 ? |
| 12:07.07 | koshie_ | 4.1 ? 4.2 ? 4.3 ? |
| 12:07.42 | abrotman | koshie_: packages.debian.org would tell you |
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| 12:08.48 | koshie_ | abrotman: Yes, thank you :) |
| 12:10.01 | NekawA | can anyone help me w/ a compiling problem i really need to get the new kopete compiled due to a yahoo update - http://pastebin.com/m70dba004 |
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| 12:17.54 | lolipop | Hi, i have extract the debian iso file and modified something, how can i compress it back to a bootable iso? |
| 12:18.08 | lolipop | extracted* |
| 12:18.48 | koshie_ | abrotman: I don't find the version of KDE :x |
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| 12:19.00 | abrotman | koshie_: look for kdelibs or sometihng like that |
| 12:19.30 | koshie_ | Okay |
| 12:21.14 | koshie_ | I've a better idea abrotman, use aptitude for see the version of kde-full ? |
| 12:21.26 | abrotman | that's a metapackage |
| 12:21.43 | koshie_ | Arf, yes... |
| 12:21.58 | koshie_ | And I don't find :/, damned. |
| 12:22.06 | ArmEagle | hmm, logrotate re-reads the config everytime it runs, right? |
| 12:22.21 | ArmEagle | configS even.. |
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| 12:23.54 | abrotman | ArmEagle: certainly seem logical eh? |
| 12:24.10 | themill | koshie_: /msg dpkg kde version |
| 12:24.36 | koshie_ | thank |
| 12:24.45 | abrotman | judd: versions kdelibs |
| 12:24.49 | judd | abrotman: kdelibs -- etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch1 etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-7~bpo40+1 lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny1 lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny2 sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-1 sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 |
| 12:24.57 | abrotman | oh yeah .. bot going insane |
| 12:25.23 | themill | judd versions kdelibs5 |
| 12:25.26 | judd | themill: kdelibs5 -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-3 lenny-security: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1 squeeze: 4:4.2.4-1 sid: 4:4.3.1-1 |
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| 12:26.13 | koshie_ | judd: So is KDE 4.3 ? |
| 12:26.14 | judd | koshie_: Error: "So" is not a valid command. |
| 12:26.25 | koshie_ | shit, is a bot :p |
| 12:26.32 | koshie_ | it's* |
| 12:27.30 | ArmEagle | abrotman just checking, even though it couldn't be anyway different :) |
| 12:28.32 | ArmEagle | i'm just wondering why logrotate didn't rotate these log files I added to the apache2 log dir myself. Maybe it wants them to be there at least a day.. |
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| 12:29.28 | xeon-enouf | yo, what's up with rsyslog? $ pstree -lunap | grep [r]sys | wc -l |
| 12:29.32 | xeon-enouf | 3 |
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| 12:32.28 | poncha | hi everyone. i'm having troubles with time on my server :( i've set up tz with tzconfig to "Asia/Jerusalem" - i'm in israel). the date/time is sync'ed with ntp. and i see correct local time. except that timezone appearing in timestamp is IDT and not IST (Israeli Daylight-saving Time instead of Israeli Standard Time) . and date -u shows -1hr from real UTC. any idea whats wrong and how can i fix th |
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| 12:34.41 | Wulf_ | poncha: but you currently have daylight saving time? |
| 12:34.54 | xeon-enouf | poncha: what does $ zdump /usr/share/zoneinfo/localtime say? |
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| 12:35.42 | xeon-enouf | /usr/share/zoneinfo/Israel shows me IDT as well |
| 12:36.04 | poncha | try date -u and compare it with real UTC .. |
| 12:36.15 | Wulf_ | poncha: according to wikipedia you should have utc+3 right now |
| 12:37.00 | poncha | Wulf_: yet real time difference between me and greenwich is 2hours ... |
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| 12:37.15 | Wulf_ | poncha: please show the output of "date" and "date -u" |
| 12:37.32 | poncha | date: Fri Sep 4 15:37:21 IDT 2009 |
| 12:37.38 | poncha | date -u: Fri Sep 4 12:37:24 UTC 2009 |
| 12:37.52 | Wulf_ | poncha: looks correct. |
| 12:38.02 | poncha | correct? what time is it in london now ? |
| 12:38.11 | purplepenguins | that is the time in london right now |
| 12:38.18 | poncha | 12:37 ?? |
| 12:38.20 | poncha | o_O |
| 12:38.50 | Wulf_ | poncha: in London it's 13:38, but they have daylight saving too |
| 12:39.02 | poncha | oh |
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| 12:39.25 | purplepenguins | everyone's on daylight savings! |
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| 12:40.02 | purplepenguins | the time differences stay the same, but UTC seems off because it doesn't change |
| 12:40.05 | Wulf_ | purplepenguins: there are some sane countries. they only have one time. |
| 12:40.29 | purplepenguins | okay, everyone means the UK, USA and Israel now |
| 12:40.35 | poncha | :) |
| 12:40.43 | Wulf_ | purplepenguins: some states in US don't have dst |
| 12:40.58 | poncha | okay, thanks for the info, i thought i was going crazy :) |
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| 12:41.15 | Wulf_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DaylightSaving-World-Subdivisions.png |
| 12:41.23 | poncha | so in order to calc time difference to some other place i also need to know if that place is on daylight saving atm or not |
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| 12:42.28 | Wulf_ | poncha: you only need to know your current difference to UTC and their current difference. but the difference changes :) |
| 12:42.31 | purplepenguins | i think arizona or new mexico, one of those doesn't have it |
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| 12:42.42 | purplepenguins | i can't recall |
| 12:43.02 | purplepenguins | indiana changed their system recently |
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| 12:43.34 | xeon-enouf | AZ doesn't do DST |
| 12:43.46 | Wulf_ | "Arizona does not observe Daylight Saving Time, except in the Navajo Nation, located in the northeastern region of the state." |
| 12:43.55 | xeon-enouf | sun sets after 10pm in the summer :-P |
| 12:44.10 | purplepenguins | squandering all your daytime like |
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| 12:44.24 | xeon-enouf | (like it's not hot enough there already .. heh) |
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| 12:44.44 | aaron | hey i have a question i have a compaq presario 700 laptop before i had sound but i reboot it and now i don't have no sound can someone please guide me? |
| 12:45.03 | gimbal | anyone have any tips for porting the linux-modules-nonfree-2.6 package to a locally built kernel? I guess it might have the only fglrx driver that will build against debian 2.6.30 kernel source... |
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| 12:45.10 | xeon-enouf | purplepenguins: and if the Bars close at 2am? hahaha, it's like happy hour only! :-p |
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| 12:45.27 | poncha | DST is stupid :( |
| 12:45.31 | gimbal | ...but I'm afraid that the debian vanilla kernel is not so much an option, at this point ^-^ I want my preempt, scheduler choices, etc |
| 12:45.51 | poncha | how the **** am i supposed to automate timediff calculation ? :) |
| 12:46.19 | purplepenguins | just use UTC for everything |
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| 12:46.42 | xeon-enouf | aaron: start with /msgdpkg alsa checklist |
| 12:46.46 | xeon-enouf | aaron: start with /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 12:47.05 | aaron | xeon-enouf, alsa is already install |
| 12:47.43 | poncha | purplepenguins: i am not controlling everything ... yet :) |
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| 12:48.12 | poncha | purplepenguins: i need to calc time difference between my server and server hosted somewhere in germany... |
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| 12:48.18 | poncha | at any given time |
| 12:49.24 | gimbal | poncha: ntpd? |
| 12:49.32 | xeon-enouf | poncha: don't feel so bad .. even eistein had an issue with 'time' :-P |
| 12:49.39 | xeon-enouf | er einstein |
| 12:49.40 | Entmoot | lol |
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| 12:50.01 | gimbal | hey did y'all know einstein used to work as a clerk in a patent office? |
| 12:50.03 | purplepenguins | i assure you that my issues with time are far greater than yours |
| 12:50.05 | gimbal | no bs |
| 12:50.06 | poncha | gimbal: what about it? i'm running it, dont have control of other server but i am guessing they run it too |
| 12:50.10 | xeon-enouf | gimbal: yes, we knew |
| 12:50.15 | Wulf_ | poncha: it should be possible to get the local time of germany |
| 12:50.16 | aaron | any help? |
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| 12:50.24 | poncha | gimbal: problem is i am not sure we switch to/from DST the same time |
| 12:50.29 | CalJohn | Which ident daemon is best to use? Simple is better :) |
| 12:50.42 | gimbal | poncha: well, dst is a matter of locale; ntpd operates regardless of locale, afaik |
| 12:51.08 | poncha | gimbal: but, *local* time of that server depends on their locale... |
| 12:51.34 | fireba11 | question: for moronic reasons i need (hopefully temporary and really only for a few days) php4 on lenny. how can i do that? |
| 12:52.01 | Entmoot | cant even remember how to run ntpd update :D |
| 12:52.09 | abrotman | fireba11: you really shouldn't, it's dead upstream |
| 12:52.19 | poncha | Entmoot: you dont need to. ntpd is a daemon, it runs all the time :) |
| 12:52.46 | poncha | if you need manual update - need to run ntpdate |
| 12:52.57 | gimbal | ponch: right; as long as their admin has configured their locale settings right (e.g. in ref to what the deb tzdata package uses) then if your server's clock time is synched with theirs, no worries |
| 12:52.57 | poncha | (but you need to shut down ntpd for that) |
| 12:53.09 | Entmoot | ntpdate host.server rite? |
| 12:53.13 | Wulf_ | $ TZ=':Asia/Jerusalem' date; TZ=':Europe/Berlin' date |
| 12:53.13 | Wulf_ | Fri Sep 4 15:53:04 IDT 2009 |
| 12:53.13 | Wulf_ | Fri Sep 4 14:53:04 CEST 2009 |
| 12:53.17 | fireba11 | abrotman: i know. bue we got a application that won't run with php5 and untill the buerocrats decided with what to replace it i need to keep it running |
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| 12:53.31 | poncha | Wulf_: whats CEST ? |
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| 12:53.38 | Wulf_ | poncha: central european summer time |
| 12:53.54 | gimbal | ponch: even if their admin hasn't configured the locale right (which I'd think would be unlikely) but if their machine's clock is synch'd to your machine's clock, or vice versa, it shouldn't matter what their locale is set as |
| 12:54.02 | abrotman | fireba11: setup etch? |
| 12:54.08 | poncha | Wulf_: and how do i know when they switch it to winter? :P |
| 12:54.26 | abrotman | fireba11: you could compile it yourself i suppose |
| 12:54.26 | Wulf_ | poncha: you don't need to |
| 12:54.31 | fireba11 | abrotman: point is i just upgraded that particular box from etch :-) |
| 12:54.39 | Wulf_ | poncha: I set "Europe/Berlin", it happens automatically |
| 12:54.56 | gimbal | ponch: locale settings govern how values (e.g. time) are displayed; they don't change the underlying values (e.g machine's wall-clock time) the just affect the representation of the values |
| 12:55.02 | poncha | but i dont want to reset my timezone :) |
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| 12:55.33 | Wulf_ | poncha: that syntax only changes it for the next command. |
| 12:55.36 | poncha | any way i can view time for "Europe/Berlin" without changing my own TZ ? |
| 12:56.09 | abrotman | fireba11: i realize taht |
| 12:56.28 | Wulf_ | poncha: TZ=':Europe/Berlin' date |
| 12:56.53 | poncha | oh |
| 12:57.00 | abrotman | fireba11: you'll have to compile it i suppose or uh .. (can't believe i'm saying this) use dotdeb |
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| 12:57.01 | fireba11 | abrotman: am currently searching for a box where i can temproarly put it that still runs etch ... |
| 12:57.06 | poncha | Wulf_: thanks |
| 12:57.10 | Wulf_ | poncha: np |
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| 12:57.19 | abrotman | fireba11: oh .. nevermind, dotdeb doesn't have php4 for lenny |
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| 12:59.06 | fireba11 | abrotman: i wanted to get rid of that particular piece of outdated code for a long time ... and now they tell me to have it temporarily runnign someplace else untill they decide what to do *bangs head against wall* |
| 12:59.45 | abrotman | fireba11: i understand your pain .. |
| 13:02.17 | jpinx | fireba11: a virtualbox? |
| 13:02.33 | abrotman | i think his point is that he didn't want to setup another etch box |
| 13:02.51 | jpinx | yea - I got that, but it might be easier in a vbox |
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| 13:03.16 | jpinx | another coder suffering from moronic management :/ |
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| 13:06.56 | abrotman | jpinx: the coder isn't suffereing .. yet :) |
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| 13:07.16 | gheller | hello all |
| 13:07.31 | gheller | anyone here ever installed the latest Debian onto an Intel based Mac? |
| 13:07.42 | gheller | I may attempt it later on today as a dual boot OS |
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| 13:09.05 | rudi_s | gheller: Yes on a MacBook Pro, and it works very well. Have a look at the wiki, everything is described there in detail. |
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| 13:10.52 | gheller | rudi_s: awesome. I have a 2 year old "Santa Rosa" MacBook nonpro with GMA X3100 graphics. That's supported right? |
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| 13:10.59 | gheller | I have 5.0.2a installed under VBox |
| 13:11.31 | gheller | booting it now in fact since I'm bored as hell |
| 13:11.37 | rudi_s | gheller: I think so, check the wiki it has the information you need. |
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| 13:12.07 | gheller | okay |
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| 13:12.20 | fireba11 | abrotman: true. currently the admin is suffering. actually the coders got nothing to do with it, the horde 2.2.7 is vom 2001 or so, they did a complete rewrite with version3, just noone here ever upgraded to that |
| 13:14.54 | gheller | I've installed Linux as a secondary OS before, but I wanna be sure I'm doing it right... I installed Ubuntu last time I had Linux on here, vs Windows XP/Vista/7 |
| 13:15.30 | Titan8990_ | and your question? |
| 13:15.39 | gheller | Linux shiggity 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Aug 14 07:12:04 UTC 20 09 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:15.41 | gheller | WHEE |
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| 13:18.53 | vagothcpp | When I am installing (from Disc 1), I need to mount the CD, however this fails because I am using a USB, how do I manually mount before the normal setup? |
| 13:20.09 | Titan8990_ | !tell vagothcpp about usb install |
| 13:20.22 | NekawA | http://i32.tinypic.com/2hs5538.jpg can anyone explain to me what happened to the accounts/buttons and how to fix them |
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| 13:21.54 | Titan8990_ | NekawA, probably better luck in a kde specific room |
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| 13:22.55 | abrotman | fireba11: what is wrong with the horde packagse ? |
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| 13:28.51 | micheal | Hello #debian Is here ssh support? |
| 13:29.01 | petemc | if its ssh on debian, yes |
| 13:29.13 | micheal | sure, |
| 13:29.15 | micheal | :) |
| 13:29.39 | micheal | debian lenny 5.0.2 but, i thought ssh related questions wont be supported okay! |
| 13:30.28 | Entmoot | install ssh? |
| 13:30.34 | vagothcpp | If I am using netinstall, can I select the mirror to download packages from? |
| 13:30.47 | Entmoot | vagothcpp: yes |
| 13:30.48 | micheal | i got a simple question and have googled around the web but didnt found. How to change the name infront of the enterline where the host is displayed |
| 13:30.50 | abrotman | yes, if your network is detected at install time |
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| 13:30.51 | joltcan | vagothcpp: Yes, thats part of the installation |
| 13:30.58 | micheal | can i use an alias or simply change it |
| 13:31.00 | abrotman | micheal: that has nothing to do with ssh .. |
| 13:31.00 | micheal | ? |
| 13:31.01 | petemc | micheal: the banner? |
| 13:31.10 | vagothcpp | joltcan: Does it ask? or do I need to type something first? |
| 13:31.11 | abrotman | micheal: that's your $PS1 |
| 13:31.11 | petemc | oh, your hostname |
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| 13:31.16 | joltcan | vagothcpp: it will ask you |
| 13:31.36 | micheal | not the banner, the name like hostname: # |
| 13:31.48 | abrotman | micheal: do you want to actually change the name of the machine? or just the text of the prompt ? |
| 13:31.51 | stew | micheal: google for "bash prompt" or "bash PS1" |
| 13:31.52 | vagothcpp | joltcan: Okay, great, my isp has a deb mirror, and its free highspeed since the datacenter is 2 blocks from my house, same exchange =D |
| 13:31.58 | micheal | the text of the prompt |
| 13:32.04 | abrotman | then see what stew said |
| 13:32.06 | micheal | didnt found any answeres in the web |
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| 13:32.18 | micheal | okay thanks |
| 13:32.18 | PDani | hi |
| 13:32.24 | joltcan | vagothcpp: ah, nice |
| 13:32.47 | vagothcpp | joltcan: Indeed, even when I am shaped, it's still fullspeed, and I am shaped |
| 13:33.13 | PDani | how can i apt-get install a service (ie. acpid), and tell dpkg not to start the service automatically after installation? |
| 13:33.21 | joltcan | vagothcpp: Well, I got a 100Mbps connection at home, so I don't even bother to change anything :) |
| 13:33.52 | PDani | i'm setting up a chroot env, and it's annoying when i install something with apt-get and it starts automatically |
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| 13:34.15 | stew | PDani: with policy-rc.d there is a readme about it in /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc |
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| 13:34.47 | stew | PDani: pbuilder/cowbuilder use this to tell init scripts not to run in their chroots if you want an example |
| 13:34.51 | vagothcpp | joltcan: You can stop bragging now. |
| 13:35.12 | joltcan | vagothcpp: thats no bragging, thats just sweden :D |
| 13:35.38 | vagothcpp | joltcan: Coming... |
| 13:35.53 | k]t | would it be considered stupid to omit the security mirror from sources.list? |
| 13:36.03 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:36.13 | joltcan | k]t: Well, you do want updated packages |
| 13:36.15 | k]t | abrotman: =\ |
| 13:36.24 | abrotman | k]t: unless the machine will not have internet connectivity .. why would you? |
| 13:36.49 | kosmic | how do you say debian |
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| 13:37.03 | kosmic | 'deeeebian', right? |
| 13:37.09 | vagothcpp | debi e anne |
| 13:37.10 | kosmic | not 'debbian' |
| 13:37.23 | abrotman | !pronounce debian |
| 13:37.23 | dpkg | debian is pronounced like Deb and like Ian. DEH bee uhn, or http://forvo.com/word/debian/ |
| 13:37.27 | petemc | do you you pronounce debie deebie ? |
| 13:37.38 | xeon-enouf | poncha: is you use the zdump command i showed, you can use tab-completion more easily, so for any area/locale, you can obtain the time |
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| 13:38.13 | k]t | abrotman: for a silly reason -- in some resource managements, the security update does not have the same directories as main does, so to avoid further messages really... |
| 13:38.37 | abrotman | messages? |
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| 13:38.49 | joltcan | k]t: We didn't get that one |
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| 13:38.58 | clusty | hey |
| 13:39.02 | en0x | hi i have issue with installing debian testing during install of grub |
| 13:39.06 | en0x | i get something like |
| 13:39.11 | en0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.19 | en0x | the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 13:39.26 | clusty | got a small question: can hardware raids be extended? i have a raid 5. can i just add another drive and rebuild the array ? |
| 13:39.28 | k]t | joltcan : like in apt-file update -- "can't get **Contents-i386.gz" |
| 13:39.35 | vagothcpp | It seems quite obvious, GRUB isnt found |
| 13:40.17 | joltcan | k]t: Sorry, I don't use apt-file, but I guess something is wrong with your sources list in that case |
| 13:40.30 | abrotman | k]t: you can ignore that |
| 13:40.31 | koollman | clusty: 'it depends'. If your raid card supports it, yes, else, no. Linux can't do much about it |
| 13:40.43 | clusty | koollman, it's a hardware raid card |
| 13:40.48 | clusty | koollman, thanks |
| 13:40.53 | k]t | well if you browse to security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates -- there is no Contents file for any architecture. |
| 13:41.08 | clusty | koollman, it will suck if i have to save 1tb of junk to recreate the array |
| 13:41.25 | k]t | that is only with the security mirror though. maybe i should try another |
| 13:41.34 | k]t | maybe i should find another? |
| 13:41.42 | vagothcpp | Does netinstall look for the CDROM? |
| 13:41.44 | k]t | got to run, more on this later. |
| 13:42.01 | PDani | stew: thanks very much, stew |
| 13:42.20 | koollman | clusty: which model of card ? (that's one of the reason which make me prefer to avoid hardware raid) |
| 13:42.25 | LeM` | Hello |
| 13:42.34 | clusty | koollman, 3ware |
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| 13:42.42 | koollman | clusty: more precisely ? :) |
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| 13:43.09 | clusty | koollman, 9690SA-4I |
| 13:43.10 | clusty | :D |
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| 13:43.37 | koollman | clusty: it can handle raid resizing... I think. Perhaps limited to some specific types of raids |
| 13:43.46 | dgram- | whats the difference between "vmlinuz" and "linux" found inside netboot? |
| 13:43.50 | abrotman | clusty: look at your RAID controller documentation .. doesn't have anything to do with debian |
| 13:43.50 | LeM` | no |
| 13:43.58 | dgram- | if they are the same i'd expect them to be named as such... |
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| 13:44.17 | ZKoss | koollman, so you prefer software raid for backup?... something like freenas? ( just need of a tip) |
| 13:44.21 | ZKoss | hello by the way |
| 13:44.27 | kosmic | so i heard debian developers are syncing releases according to the wishes of mark shuttleworth |
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| 13:44.46 | azeem | kosmic: that's not the current status AFAIK |
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| 13:45.12 | vagothcpp | Who is Mark Shuttleworth? |
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| 13:45.29 | zophy-64bit | he owns |
| 13:45.44 | azeem | vagothcpp: a Debian Developer |
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| 13:45.51 | vagothcpp | ok |
| 13:45.53 | azeem | in any case, this is off-topic here |
| 13:45.54 | abrotman | kosmic: and this isn't the channel to discuss that |
| 13:45.57 | vagothcpp | gtk |
| 13:46.11 | kosmic | oh right |
| 13:46.16 | kosmic | i don't get it |
| 13:46.24 | azeem | which part? |
| 13:46.28 | abrotman | it's still not the place to discuss it |
| 13:46.33 | kosmic | < azeem> vagothcpp: a Debian Developer |
| 13:46.43 | zophy-64bit | being censored is what open source is all about |
| 13:46.49 | kosmic | zophy-64bit, right on |
| 13:46.51 | dgram- | kosmic fra norge? D: |
| 13:46.51 | azeem | kosmic: what's the problem? |
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| 13:48.20 | CalJohn | Why is bin2iso not in debian any more? |
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| 13:48.32 | themill | zophy-64bit: finding the right place to discuss things is also part of life. This is a user support channel not a place for discussions about distros or personalities. |
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| 13:51.12 | pif | hi, has the /etc/apt/preferences format changed? |
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| 13:51.54 | themill | pif: no, but it's very picky and at times unintuitive |
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| 13:52.17 | pif | because suddenly I get "E: Unable to parse package file /etc/apt/preferences (1)" |
| 13:52.22 | pif | without changing it at all |
| 13:52.40 | stew | pif: which release are you running? |
| 13:52.40 | pif | granted, after a dist-upgrade |
| 13:52.44 | pif | sid |
| 13:52.52 | themill | pif: what have you changed then? (etch->lenny?) can you pastebin the file? |
| 13:53.01 | pif | oki |
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| 13:53.33 | pif | http://pastebin.com/m1b454eb4 |
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| 13:54.29 | stew | woah |
| 13:54.31 | pif | I can't find a preferences man page.. |
| 13:54.39 | stew | pif: its apt_preferences |
| 13:54.42 | pif | oh |
| 13:54.47 | themill | pif: man 5 apt_preferences |
| 13:54.50 | pif | kay |
| 13:55.03 | pif | do you guys see anything wrong? |
| 13:55.05 | stew | making experimental something to be installed from by default is insane |
| 13:55.34 | pif | no, my aim is to have _installed_ experimental be upgraded |
| 13:55.47 | pif | it used to work fine |
| 13:56.10 | stew | it would also upgrade you from unstable to experimental by default, no? |
| 13:56.17 | pif | nope |
| 13:56.25 | pif | only packs that are already exp |
| 13:56.37 | stew | oh becuase unstable is the target release, i guess |
| 13:56.43 | pif | yes |
| 13:57.03 | stew | pif: i'd check for whitespace or non-printable characters, perhaps a \r |
| 13:57.14 | stew | but I don't see a problem |
| 13:57.15 | pif | without it iceweasel 3.5.x would never be upgraded |
| 13:58.17 | themill | the pastebin is CRLF delimited but I can't imagine apt balking at that |
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| 13:58.37 | themill | (and the chance of the pastebin having munged it is good) |
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| 13:59.00 | ranix | munge is a hilarious word |
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| 14:00.14 | varlon | hi, I'm using debian lenny. how can I use pulseaudio? I'm installing skype beta, but in devices list I see pulseaudio only and no one real devices. I run papref but no one sound device found. So, can I use pulseaudio in debian or not? |
| 14:01.08 | sphenxes | I would like to clone my windows xp partition (live knopix) with dd command to an image file. I would like to use it in case of windows crash, that i can reinstall the windows xp system. Is it possible with dd command (clone the partition) or not? |
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| 14:01.31 | Titan8990_ | sphenxes, possible but not ideal |
| 14:01.38 | petemc | sphenxes: partimage is much better to use |
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| 14:01.43 | Titan8990_ | sphenxes, dd if=/dev/sdxx of=file.img |
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| 14:03.02 | sphenxes | Titan8990, petemc thansk |
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| 14:05.56 | pif | oh guys, it's my # comments that apt chokes on |
| 14:06.06 | pif | didn't put them in pastebin |
| 14:06.52 | zeroConf | ? |
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| 14:07.28 | themill | pif: :( |
| 14:07.45 | pif | /etc/apt/preferences accepts // though |
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| 14:08.06 | themill | pif: no, it treats them as invalid lines and ignores them sometimes. |
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| 14:08.23 | themill | pif: what debian release are you running? |
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| 14:08.28 | pif | sid |
| 14:08.31 | etbl | dpkg: sex |
| 14:08.31 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 14:08.45 | etbl | dpkg help |
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| 14:08.51 | ramo102 | Do someone know about this error? |
| 14:08.51 | ramo102 | usb 7-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
| 14:08.57 | themill | etbl: please leave the bot alone |
| 14:08.57 | varlon | ))) |
| 14:09.10 | etbl | themill: why? |
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| 14:09.21 | ramo102 | when plugging in a creative zen device, updated with the last firmware |
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| 14:09.30 | ramo102 | the usb mouse works fine |
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| 14:12.39 | ranix | test3 |
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| 14:15.28 | ramo102 | I'm running Debian squeeze/sid |
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| 14:16.54 | dimir | You rock. |
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| 14:17.15 | ajavid | good morning |
| 14:17.21 | ranix | mornin ajavid |
| 14:17.22 | dimir | Morning. |
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| 14:17.43 | ajavid | what is the sid kernel these days? |
| 14:17.55 | ajavid | I could look it up, but do you konw... |
| 14:18.12 | ajavid | State: not a real package |
| 14:18.13 | ajavid | Provided by: linux-image-2.6.30- |
| 14:18.15 | ajavid | nevermind. |
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| 14:18.34 | ajavid | I thought I didn't have my sid box booted on the living room |
| 14:18.49 | ajavid | in the living room |
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| 14:19.49 | McL0VIN | morning folks |
| 14:20.19 | McL0VIN | where can i read about irc bots , like the one here |
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| 14:20.24 | McL0VIN | !bots |
| 14:20.24 | dpkg | All your bots are belong to us, or #debian-bots, or dpkg (<dpkgbot>), apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, debhelper, <judd>. Are we not men? If you prick us, do we not bleed? Err... oil anyway. <magic smoke> |
| 14:20.27 | McL0VIN | that |
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| 14:22.48 | abhifx | is there a push email software for debian? |
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| 14:23.25 | ranix | hip push, hip push, I am plesioth oh are you coming? |
| 14:24.43 | koshie_ | Hi everybody |
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| 14:25.45 | micheal | stew: abrotman: Well, thank yaa, my shell looks pretty sweet now :) |
| 14:26.12 | koshie_ | Since I have installed Sid I cannot connect myself on my server with ssh (in my shell and with Nautilus), it say : "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.1 port 22: No route to host" |
| 14:26.13 | abrotman | really? |
| 14:26.18 | koshie_ | The IP are correct |
| 14:26.25 | abrotman | McL0VIN: what do you want to know about them? |
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| 14:26.51 | koshie_ | And with Lenny I did not have problem |
| 14:27.02 | McL0VIN | abrotman: how to install and use one , lets say i want to make a channel |
| 14:27.23 | abrotman | McL0VIN: see the infobot documentation |
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| 14:31.00 | McL0VIN | abrotman: ok, i did apt-cache search for infobot and i got blootbot |
| 14:31.08 | abrotman | McL0VIN: it has a website .. |
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| 14:31.53 | paxcoder | how do you do regexp with grep o.O? |
| 14:32.00 | McL0VIN | abrotman: so no deb for it |
| 14:32.09 | abrotman | McL0VIN: okay .. that's all i can tell you |
| 14:32.14 | abrotman | paxcoder: egrep ? |
| 14:32.29 | McL0VIN | o_o |
| 14:32.33 | paxcoder | can't you do it with grep? |
| 14:32.34 | McL0VIN | lol |
| 14:32.50 | McL0VIN | paxcoder: u can grep -e |
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| 14:32.55 | McL0VIN | :-D |
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| 14:34.10 | themill | paxcoder: or use pcregrep (or perl or sed or ....) |
| 14:34.34 | paxcoder | sed? i want to match&return |
| 14:34.38 | paxcoder | (not replace) |
| 14:34.52 | blouf | anyone use a blackberry with linux there ? |
| 14:35.09 | themill | paxcoder: sed can do that too |
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| 14:39.37 | abhifx | is there a push email software for debian? |
| 14:39.46 | ranix | what is push email |
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| 14:40.22 | ZKoss | i want to know too xd |
| 14:40.26 | themill | Something that netscape tried to create back in 1996. Didn't it die in about 1997? |
| 14:40.51 | ZKoss | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_e-mail |
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| 14:41.48 | joltcan | ZKoss/abhifx: we use the zimbra email server, but that's a whole OS in it self. Not found anything else remotely closed to other push solutions |
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| 14:44.08 | ajavid | I've a problem with xrandr dual head now. It was fine until I restarted X, now when I set it up the same way as before, left monitor is correct/ right monitor is correct, primary seconday, yet... when I move my mouse on the left screen, i have to go all the way to the left and keep going off screen.. and then the mouse will appear on the far right hand side of the right side monitor |
| 14:44.14 | ajavid | its totally backwards |
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| 14:44.39 | ajavid | no matter what I do i can't get it fixed. I try to make dvi-0 right of dvi-1 and that fixes the mouse issue, but then my right side monitor becomes primary |
| 14:44.57 | ajavid | xrandr is givin me a headache, are there any xrandr gurus who could advise me? |
| 14:45.07 | justin | ajavid: swap the cables? |
| 14:45.11 | ajavid | I did that too |
| 14:45.15 | ajavid | it didn't help |
| 14:45.21 | ajavid | its still goofy, the mouse |
| 14:45.34 | justin | because the screens are backwards? |
| 14:45.43 | justin | either fix the configuration or swap the cables, don't do both |
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| 14:45.56 | ZKoss | thanks joltcan |
| 14:46.07 | ajavid | justin, well I tried almost everything |
| 14:46.15 | ajavid | justin, http://paste.debian.net/45706/ |
| 14:46.30 | ajavid | dvi-1 = right side, dvi-0 = right side |
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| 14:47.00 | ajavid | xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto --left-of DVI-1 <- while cables are correct, correct port on correct side |
| 14:47.16 | justin | ajavid: move the cables to the "wrong" side |
| 14:47.26 | ajavid | ok |
| 14:47.44 | justin | if the configuration is backwards and you cant get it right, just move the cables |
| 14:47.51 | justin | this isn't complicated :) |
| 14:47.53 | ajavid | justin, now the mouse is ok, but taskbars and everything are on the right side monitor |
| 14:48.00 | justin | ajavid: so move the taskbars |
| 14:48.07 | ajavid | no |
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| 14:48.18 | justin | no? |
| 14:48.22 | ajavid | when I go to kde control center and identify monitors, it says my left monitor is #2 |
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| 14:48.32 | ajavid | left is supposed to be #1 |
| 14:48.34 | ajavid | right #2 |
| 14:48.37 | justin | who says? |
| 14:48.40 | ajavid | kde |
| 14:48.53 | justin | tell kde to swap them then? |
| 14:48.54 | ZKoss | move the monitors |
| 14:48.56 | linux2 | does anyone know what kernels in debian lenny have SMP enabled? I am trying to get this running on a 4 CPU system and it seems to only run everyone on the first processors unless I use taskset |
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| 14:49.02 | justin | linux2: all of them |
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| 14:49.05 | abrotman | linux2: they all do |
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| 14:53.20 | ajavid | no dice |
| 14:53.23 | ajavid | its still fucked up |
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| 14:53.33 | justin | ajavid: how so? |
| 14:53.39 | ajavid | sec |
| 14:53.48 | StCyr1 | linux2: Interesting. Why do you think it is running only mono-core? |
| 14:54.16 | ajavid | ok. currently, left monitor = DVI-0, connected, on DVI-0 connected 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 531mm x 299mm |
| 14:54.36 | ajavid | DVI-1 (on the right hand side monitor) is turned off in xrandr currently |
| 14:54.46 | ajavid | ok |
| 14:54.46 | beardy | Switch left to right, right to left. |
| 14:54.53 | ajavid | hang on |
| 14:54.56 | beardy | Problem over. |
| 14:54.59 | ajavid | now, I do this |
| 14:55.09 | justin | beardy: i had him do that, he insists that it is still wrong |
| 14:55.11 | ajavid | xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --right-of DVI-0 |
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| 14:55.23 | ajavid | and instanly it makes my right hand monitor monitor #1 |
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| 14:55.28 | beardy | meant physically moving the left one to the right side. |
| 14:55.30 | ajavid | I tried EVERYTHING! |
| 14:55.38 | ajavid | yes i did that too, but the mouse is scewery |
| 14:55.39 | justin | ajavid: don't try everything. try ONE THING |
| 14:55.51 | ajavid | lets pertend im not a moron for aminute |
| 14:55.53 | ajavid | :) |
| 14:56.09 | ajavid | justin, I did. it failed, I reset to orignal config, and tried the 2nd thing, and so forth |
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| 14:56.22 | justin | ajavid: what is your CURRENT problem? |
| 14:56.29 | linux2 | StCyr1, well with any program running it only uses 25% of the total CPU power |
| 14:56.40 | linux2 | which with 4 cpus it would be using only 1 |
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| 14:57.16 | linux2 | StCyr1, also it isn't mutlicore it is simply 4 separate CPUs |
| 14:57.32 | linux2 | 4 Xeon CPUs |
| 14:58.09 | ajavid | justin, when my monitors show up correctly, left #1, right #2, left-dvi0, right dvi-1, all is well atm. However, I can't drag the mouse from the left monitor to the right monitor, I have to go ALL the way to the left of the left monitor, and then the mouse appears on the extreme right of the right monitor |
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| 14:58.22 | justin | ajavid: because they are backwards! |
| 14:58.28 | ajavid | justin, how? |
| 14:58.30 | ajavid | what is backwards? |
| 14:58.38 | justin | THE MONITORS |
| 14:58.42 | ajavid | yes, how |
| 14:58.51 | jpinx | swap them left to right |
| 14:58.53 | ajavid | read what I said, it seems fine to me, just a mouse problem |
| 14:58.57 | ajavid | ok |
| 14:58.57 | ajavid | I did |
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| 14:59.10 | ajavid | now the mouse is fine, but now my monitors swiched numbers |
| 14:59.17 | justin | ajavid: who gives a shit what the numbers are? |
| 14:59.19 | ajavid | and that can't be fixed with kde |
| 14:59.22 | ajavid | I do |
| 14:59.24 | linux2 | abrotman, all the kernel now use SMP |
| 14:59.30 | ajavid | numbers matter because it changes primary secondary monitor |
| 14:59.40 | justin | ajavid: tell it the other one is the primary monitor |
| 14:59.40 | linux2 | abrotman, so wouldn't that spread the processes over the 4 CPUs? |
| 14:59.41 | ajavid | not just a taskbar thing |
| 14:59.51 | ajavid | justin, how |
| 14:59.54 | ajavid | justin, kde doesn't let me do this |
| 14:59.55 | justin | i dunno, I don't use KDE |
| 14:59.58 | ajavid | justin, is xrandr capable? |
| 15:00.02 | justin | sounds like a KDE issues |
| 15:00.04 | ajavid | can you specify this with xrandr somehow? |
| 15:00.13 | ajavid | justin, it was fine last night before I restarted X |
| 15:00.16 | ajavid | don't be too quick to blame kde |
| 15:00.23 | ajavid | I did nothing but restart X and now this |
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| 15:00.46 | ajavid | everything else is just the same config |
| 15:00.50 | ZKoss | why did you restart x? |
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| 15:01.00 | mrfree | hi all |
| 15:01.00 | ajavid | update kernel |
| 15:01.03 | ajavid | reboot the system |
| 15:01.09 | koshie_ | Since I have installed Sid I cannot connect myself on my server with ssh (in my shell and with Nautilus), it say : "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.1 port 22: No route to host" |
| 15:01.12 | linux2 | justin, so every kernel now uses SMP? cause it doesn't appear to be working if it is turned on. |
| 15:01.21 | ajavid | justin, made some progress |
| 15:01.21 | koshie_ | Anybody i've an idea ? |
| 15:01.29 | justin | ajavid: so by "I did nothing but restart X" what you meant was "I did nothing but upgrade the kernel and reboot the system"? |
| 15:01.40 | beatsteaks | I lost access to the internet with my debian, I have network but no internet any clue ? I got route set already |
| 15:01.42 | StCyr1 | linux2: if a program isn't multi-threated it will run on one single CPU |
| 15:01.44 | justin | linux2: yep |
| 15:01.44 | ajavid | justin, I am seeing that in KDE, display 1 X coordinate is 1920x0, and monitor 2 is 0,0 |
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| 15:01.51 | ajavid | justin, bingo, I think this is the problem |
| 15:01.51 | mrfree | I've a problem with roundcube, plz take a look here because I think it's debian related http://trac.roundcube.net/ticket/1486081 |
| 15:02.04 | ajavid | justin, perhaps maybe a switch with -pos might do something |
| 15:02.06 | mrfree | the save rc version works well on another distro |
| 15:02.11 | joltcan | koshie_: it can't even reach it network-wise, are you sure it still has the same IP? |
| 15:02.12 | justin | ajavid: like I said.. either fix that or swap the cables |
| 15:02.14 | stew | koshie_: show us the output of "ip r" or "route -n" |
| 15:02.20 | joltcan | koshie_: ...or that even the network interface is up? |
| 15:02.23 | justin | ajavid: if swapping the cables is not a good fix for you, then fix the xrandr config |
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| 15:02.27 | ajavid | justin, its not as simple as you're making it out to be |
| 15:02.30 | linux2 | StCyr1, but shouldn't the kernel spread it out across all 4 CPUs? |
| 15:02.31 | koshie_ | joltcan: my server work : www.koshie.net |
| 15:02.32 | justin | ajavid: it is... |
| 15:02.39 | linux2 | StCyr1, or maybe I'm just used to solaris |
| 15:02.55 | ranix | linux2: no operating system in the world can process one thread with multiple processors |
| 15:03.03 | StCyr1 | linux2: Only if it has 4 processes to run |
| 15:03.08 | ajavid | what has a kernel update got to do with this? |
| 15:03.20 | StCyr1 | process or thread... who knows :-) |
| 15:03.22 | joltcan | koshie_: well, the error message is "connect to host 192.168.0.1", www.koshie.net is at 82.243.253.197 |
| 15:03.43 | linux2 | ranix, yes, but I am more referring to the processes being split across all cpus for load balancing |
| 15:03.43 | koshie_ | joltcan: not on the web guys for ssh :D |
| 15:03.51 | linux2 | StCyr1, yeah, it doesn't appear to do that |
| 15:03.53 | koshie_ | And on my other computer with lenny i can be connecter ! |
| 15:03.56 | koshie_ | connected* |
| 15:03.59 | ranix | linux2: that's handled by the linux scheduler |
| 15:04.02 | koshie_ | So it's a problem with Sid. |
| 15:04.03 | linux2 | If I run 4 processes then they will all run on the first CPU |
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| 15:04.14 | linux2 | even if they all use 100% of the CPU |
| 15:04.15 | \amethyst | linux2: how are you verifying this? |
| 15:04.17 | ranix | linux2: there have been so many scheduler improvements in 2.6 I've lost track of them |
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| 15:04.26 | joltcan | koshie_: well, I think its something with your dns resolver setup in that case |
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| 15:04.28 | \amethyst | linux2: that they all run on the same CPU, that is |
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| 15:04.50 | ajavid | justin, http://paste.debian.net/45707/ |
| 15:04.50 | linux2 | \amethyst, checked it in top. I am only using 25% max of the cpu power |
| 15:04.50 | ajavid | justin, do you see the problem. |
| 15:04.50 | ajavid | ? |
| 15:05.04 | \amethyst | linux2: even when running four heavy-CPU-using tasks, it's still only 25%? |
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| 15:05.13 | justin | ajavid: depends, is dvi-1 supposed to be on the right? |
| 15:05.25 | ajavid | justin, yessir |
| 15:05.29 | iluminator101 | i got this error i havent been able to find it. I get this error when i try to upgrade. Here is the error http://debian.pastebin.com/d5e9f7d5d |
| 15:05.31 | ajavid | justin, and it is, but mouse is goofy |
| 15:05.41 | linux2 | \amethyst, yeah, unless I manually specify taskset -c 1 etc... and then it will use 50%-100% depending on how many processes I run |
| 15:05.52 | ranix | linux2: what is your uname -a? |
| 15:05.55 | justin | ajavid: what happens if you unplub the cable that you think goes to dvi-1? |
| 15:05.57 | linux2 | \amethyst, it just seems annoying to have to manually specify it |
| 15:06.07 | ajavid | justin, dvi1 goes off |
| 15:06.10 | \amethyst | linux2: are these tasks being launched from the same place? |
| 15:07.10 | \amethyst | linux2: maybe somehow the shell that is launching them had its affinity set? |
| 15:07.10 | linux2 | \amethyst, yeah. I am running them from a terminal |
| 15:07.10 | ajavid | justin, dvi1 = right hand monitor |
| 15:07.10 | ajavid | justin, it goes out if i pull the cale |
| 15:07.10 | themill | iluminator101: can you pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Also echo $PATH and "ls -l /usr/sbin/update-rc.d" |
| 15:07.10 | xeon-enouf | linux2: sounds like an APIC issue then |
| 15:07.10 | StCyr1 | linux2: Do you see your 4 CPUs in "top"? |
| 15:07.10 | ajavid | justin, currently the monitors are showing the correct position, left/right, but mouse is goofy |
| 15:07.10 | linux2 | StCyr1, yeah |
| 15:07.10 | justin | ajavid: because they are still backwards somehow... |
| 15:07.10 | ranix | linux2: processes launched from a shell inherit the affinity of the shell if it's been manually set, IIRC |
| 15:07.11 | StCyr1 | linux2: Did you turn SMP mode on? |
| 15:07.11 | xeon-enouf | linux2: i have a Dual Xeon MP box i'm on here |
| 15:07.13 | ajavid | justin, yeah |
| 15:07.13 | StCyr1 | press1 |
| 15:07.19 | StCyr1 | press 1 in top |
| 15:07.22 | ajavid | justin, I just can't seem to figure out how |
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| 15:07.27 | ajavid | or what |
| 15:07.36 | justin | ajavid: try switching the leftof/rightof stuff |
| 15:07.36 | xeon-enouf | linux2: only ythe -486 is non-SMP-aware, AFAIK |
| 15:07.40 | ajavid | justin, yessir |
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| 15:07.41 | linux2 | xeon-enouf, yeah mine is a compaq proliant with 4x 733MHZ p3 xeons |
| 15:07.42 | justin | ajavid: even though it looks right just tell it to make it the other way |
| 15:07.46 | StCyr1 | linux2: you should see 4 CPU in top |
| 15:07.47 | ajavid | ok watch this |
| 15:07.55 | StCyr1 | linux2: turn SMP mode on |
| 15:07.56 | linux2 | StCyr1, which I do |
| 15:07.57 | justin | ajavid: that should fix everything |
| 15:08.18 | linux2 | humm I am going to have to mess with this some more later |
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| 15:08.29 | linux2 | thanks for your help though. I think I am on the right track |
| 15:08.31 | ajavid | justin, ok, so I restartex X, now both monitors are cloning each other |
| 15:08.31 | xeon-enouf | linux2: are all 4 listed in /proc/cpuinfo and in dmesg? CPU0 through CPU3 |
| 15:08.38 | ajavid | justin, xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --right-of DVI-0 |
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| 15:08.51 | linux2 | xeon-enouf, unfortunately I can't check right now as I don't have access to that system |
| 15:08.52 | justin | ajavid: yeah.. just do the opposite of what you were doing before |
| 15:09.00 | ajavid | justin, this makes it so that both come on, show up corectly, left and right, bu mouse is fucked up |
| 15:09.04 | ajavid | now what |
| 15:09.08 | justin | ajavid: don't do that! |
| 15:09.08 | ajavid | you tell me and I'll do it |
| 15:09.10 | linux2 | xeon-enouf, I really just came on to ask if SMP was enabled. I guess I will be troubleshooting it later |
| 15:09.13 | ajavid | ok |
| 15:09.14 | ajavid | hang on |
| 15:09.21 | ajavid | goig back to orignial |
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| 15:09.24 | justin | ajavid: swap the 1 and 0 in that command, or change right to left.. either should work |
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| 15:09.39 | iluminator101 | themill: http://debian.pastebin.com/d81d2587 |
| 15:09.48 | ajavid | ohhhhh |
| 15:09.48 | ajavid | wait a minute |
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| 15:09.53 | ajavid | xrandr --output DVI-1 --off |
| 15:09.59 | ajavid | and the left hand monitor went off! |
| 15:10.03 | justin | ajavid: ugh. |
| 15:10.04 | ajavid | not supposed to |
| 15:10.11 | ajavid | let me switch cables |
| 15:10.11 | justin | ajavid: because it's backwards! |
| 15:10.15 | ajavid | :) |
| 15:10.15 | themill | iluminator101: "The following packages will be DOWNGRADED:" precisely what are you trying to do? |
| 15:10.18 | xeon-enouf | linux2: well, if things are screwy with MP system, i instantly suspect IO-APIC, but i didn't see which kernel nor arch you're on (i jumped down many lines once i saw your post adnd saw some say ALL are SMP-aware) |
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| 15:10.46 | k|t | what if you have two displays on the same card but only one output name in xrandr-- (dvi-> VGA adapters BTW) |
| 15:10.50 | arch3angel | i am trying to bond two interfaces in my server but when i do and restart networking no interfaces work (i have 4) |
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| 15:11.01 | ajavid | justin, http://paste.debian.net/45708/ |
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| 15:11.13 | xeon-enouf | i love when that happens |
| 15:11.14 | ajavid | justin, ok, now we are on the correct dvi ports, left/right |
| 15:11.20 | xeon-enouf | smashes desk on head |
| 15:11.23 | ajavid | justin, dvi-0 = left monitor, dvi-1 = right monitor |
| 15:11.32 | ajavid | justin, dvi-1 is currently off in xrandr |
| 15:11.35 | ajavid | justin, now what |
| 15:11.36 | iluminator101 | themill: http://debian.pastebin.com/d1ca67ed0 |
| 15:11.37 | ajavid | you tell i do |
| 15:11.44 | justin | ajavid: is the mouse correct? |
| 15:11.52 | ajavid | just 1 monitor is on |
| 15:11.53 | ajavid | so yes |
| 15:12.05 | justin | ajavid: run the xrandr command you were running before, see what happens |
| 15:12.07 | ajavid | xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --right-of DVI-0 |
| 15:12.12 | ajavid | so this is what I should run now |
| 15:12.21 | ajavid | ok |
| 15:12.23 | justin | if the mouse is backwards, undo it and run it again but use --left-of |
| 15:12.36 | justin | but I think it should work now |
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| 15:12.48 | ajavid | ok mouse is ok |
| 15:12.54 | justin | ok, problem solved |
| 15:13.02 | ajavid | but... now same problem |
| 15:13.24 | ajavid | monitors have switched |
| 15:13.25 | justin | I think you need to ask #kde about that |
| 15:13.32 | ajavid | but why? |
| 15:13.32 | ajavid | it was fine last night |
| 15:13.32 | ajavid | no problems whatsoever |
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| 15:13.32 | justin | got me |
| 15:13.32 | ajavid | me too |
| 15:13.45 | justin | but if your mouse is working right and the left/right is correct, you don't have a problem |
| 15:13.52 | justin | if kde is being weird i'd ask the kde people |
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| 15:14.11 | ajavid | right now, both monitors are on, everything is ok, but... right monitor is #1 while left is #2, and its supposed to be other way around |
| 15:14.29 | ajavid | ok so we turn off dvi-1 |
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| 15:15.12 | ajavid | >xrandr --output DVI-1 --off |
| 15:15.16 | ajavid | $>xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --left-of DVI-0 |
| 15:15.19 | ajavid | $>xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --right-of DVI-0 |
| 15:15.20 | ajavid | ok |
| 15:15.23 | ajavid | its fixed. thanks for your help. |
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| 15:15.36 | ajavid | I have no fucking idea what the fuck is the problem with this fucking thing |
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| 15:15.45 | ajavid | but its driving me nuts. ok, is fine now |
| 15:15.48 | ajavid | whooey! |
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| 15:16.22 | ajavid | justin, makes no sense to me... but it works |
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| 15:16.38 | ajavid | justin, apparantly i have to set it twice, I'll try to reproduce it on the next reboot or restart of X |
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| 15:16.52 | iluminator101 | i got this error i havent been able to fix it. I get this error when i try to upgrade. Here is the error http://debian.pastebin.com/d5e9f7d5d |
| 15:16.57 | ajavid | set it left and then right, and then its fixed |
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| 15:17.02 | ajavid | it can't be a KDE issue, I'm positive. |
| 15:17.12 | ajavid | justin, make any sense yet? |
| 15:17.20 | joltcan | nice monologue |
| 15:17.21 | ajavid | justin, I'd like to find out why this is |
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| 15:18.14 | ajavid | justin, if you could kindly advise or perhaps help me to figure why xrandr is doing this (why i had to set it twice, and I'm not sure if its reproducable yet or it was a fluke that it just worked) |
| 15:18.45 | ajavid | joltcan, I drink you! |
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| 15:19.03 | ajavid | jolt cola! the official drink of the new york hacker! |
| 15:19.14 | themill | iluminator101: please keep it in the channel so that others can help if I'm not around for a bit. You haven't yet told me what it is that you're actually doing here -- why are you trying to downgrade 119 packages? |
| 15:19.27 | joltcan | ajavid: \o/ |
| 15:20.02 | ajavid | haha i just found video game arcade tokens from manhattan in my pocket |
| 15:20.10 | iluminator101 | i was on sid, i downgraded the packages to testing already |
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| 15:20.15 | ajavid | anyway. my monitors are good. now how to save xrandr settings? |
| 15:20.39 | ajavid | or should I just make a startup script and throw it in ~/.kde/Autostart and make it run xrandr on kde startup to fix the monitors the way I like |
| 15:20.57 | ajavid | im wondering, ifyou don't uyse xorg.conf anymore, and then use xrandr to config your settings, how do you save them? |
| 15:21.09 | petemc | you use xorg.conf |
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| 15:21.12 | ajavid | is there a way to save your xrandr settings other than just having to make a bash script to rerun the same commands |
| 15:21.15 | ajavid | oh |
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| 15:21.21 | ajavid | you just put that stuff into there then? |
| 15:21.21 | gravity | ajavid: You can use xorg.conf. You can also just have xrandr run during your login |
| 15:21.27 | ajavid | if its blank, you just make it |
| 15:21.32 | ajavid | oh ok |
| 15:21.37 | themill | iluminator101: I'll take a guess that you're trying to downgrade various inserv/sysvinit packages. Downgrade is rarely properly supported and it is certainly not supported in this case. /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 15:21.39 | gravity | !xrandr |
| 15:21.39 | dpkg | xrandr is, like, a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 15:21.49 | gravity | ajavid: The wiki link is what you want ^ |
| 15:21.51 | ajavid | yessir, read it a few times |
| 15:21.52 | ajavid | :) |
| 15:21.55 | gravity | ok |
| 15:22.01 | ajavid | gravity, what specifically though? |
| 15:22.09 | ajavid | I will look at it again (which part/section) |
| 15:22.13 | gravity | ajavid: There's a lot in there about setting up your xorg.conf |
| 15:22.30 | ajavid | well I'm looking specificaly to find out how to save xrandr settings |
| 15:22.46 | gravity | You can't just save them. xrandr doesn't do that. You have to configure your xorg.conf to do the same thing. |
| 15:22.47 | ajavid | best way is what? to put them into xorg.conf or make a script startup that runs xrandr things on X startup? |
| 15:22.54 | gravity | Whichever you want. :-) |
| 15:22.56 | ajavid | out of thes two |
| 15:22.57 | ajavid | oh ok |
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| 15:23.06 | ajavid | I think I'll go with xrandr script instead of fucking with xorg.conf |
| 15:23.11 | ajavid | :) |
| 15:23.17 | gravity | Yay unix :-) |
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| 15:23.25 | ajavid | yay gravity |
| 15:23.28 | ajavid | and xorg |
| 15:23.34 | ajavid | yay debian. |
| 15:23.34 | gravity | heh |
| 15:24.00 | gravity | If you've got a ~/.xsession, that's the easiest way |
| 15:24.09 | ajavid | no I haven't |
| 15:24.11 | gravity | Ok |
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| 15:24.21 | ajavid | I have not used one in ... whoo years |
| 15:24.25 | ajavid | since I left boxwms etc. |
| 15:24.32 | gravity | nods |
| 15:24.35 | ajavid | or when i used compiz itself alone as a wm |
| 15:24.44 | ajavid | amphi, you still do that don't you? |
| 15:24.44 | themill | gravity: it would be nice if sending (say) SIGUSR1 to xorg would convince it to write out its current state as a xorg.conf to allow users to make such customisations permanent if they desire. Any plans/thoughts for that sort of thing? |
| 15:24.58 | ajavid | themill, nice idea! |
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| 15:25.25 | ajavid | I'd like to see something like that |
| 15:25.38 | ajavid | That would be a great step in the right direction imo |
| 15:25.45 | gravity | themill: I've been thinking about that for years. There's actually a chunk of code to do some of this already. |
| 15:25.51 | justin | ajavid: gnome has an xrandr module that reloads the settings when you login :) |
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| 15:26.01 | ajavid | justin, not grandr right ? |
| 15:26.05 | gravity | themill: It's just been of questionable priority given that xorg.conf is being used less and less |
| 15:26.07 | ajavid | justin, you are gnome user? |
| 15:26.14 | ajavid | I have not used gnome since like... what was it, 2.08 |
| 15:26.18 | ajavid | something like that |
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| 15:26.22 | ajavid | sarge days |
| 15:26.26 | justin | ajavid: sorta.. i'm running xmonad+gnome at work and gnome at home |
| 15:26.33 | ajavid | i see |
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| 15:26.43 | ajavid | justin, any ideas about the qustions I directed your way kind sir |
| 15:26.50 | ajavid | a bit earlier |
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| 15:27.13 | themill | gravity: true. although you now have to configure each individual user separately rather than just setting up xorg properly once, and such customisations don't work at the ?dm stage which can be an issue (particularly for kb layouts but also for screen stuff). |
| 15:27.20 | justin | ajavid: no idea, comparing the output of xrandr when it is broken and when it is fixed may shed some light |
| 15:27.39 | themill | gravity: I guess with more of this being driven down to udev or the kernel that also solves those problems |
| 15:27.45 | ajavid | justin, http://paste.debian.net/45706 <- broken |
| 15:28.07 | ajavid | justin, http://paste.debian.net/45710/ <-current fixed |
| 15:28.13 | gravity | themill: There's certain basic issues really. A lot of the information that people want isn't really accessible currently. You'd need to query the drivers for a lot of it, for example, which requires changing the API/ABI and a whole mess of things. |
| 15:28.21 | gravity | themill: Yeah, that's the thought |
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| 15:28.47 | ajavid | justin, HAHA |
| 15:29.08 | ajavid | justin, as you can see, if you clicked... dvi 1/0 changed positions because they are using the correct cable /ports/positions |
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| 15:29.19 | ajavid | justin, so that was the diff was, the cables were orignally backwards |
| 15:29.20 | themill | gravity: and a lot just isn't available at all (like "what keymap does that PS/2 kb have") |
| 15:29.28 | justin | ajavid: yep |
| 15:29.28 | ajavid | justin, I dunno what I did to get it to work last night with the fucked up cable setup |
| 15:29.32 | ajavid | justin, its good now though |
| 15:29.38 | ajavid | justin, really, thank you very very very much dude |
| 15:29.41 | ajavid | seriously |
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| 15:30.01 | ajavid | can I kiss you? |
| 15:30.09 | ajavid | or something, grab your ass? |
| 15:30.10 | ajavid | j/k |
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| 15:30.23 | gravity | themill: Well, the idea with that (and why all that is currently in hal) is that it needs to be a single system-wide configuration variable and the X server just needs to query the underlying OS to find the keymap. Given that, it shouldn't really go in xorg.conf at all. |
| 15:30.26 | justin | depends, do you have breasts? haha |
| 15:30.32 | ajavid | heh. |
| 15:30.40 | ajavid | aren't you marrid! |
| 15:30.42 | ajavid | chill. |
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| 15:31.41 | gravity | themill: But for things like random driver variables that are necessary to get the hardware to work, having the X server pull that info out of the drivers isn't really possible right now, so writing the current state of the X server to a conf file is problematic. |
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| 15:32.15 | gravity | These things clearly belong with X's config rather than system-wide, although moving towards KMS should fix that as well |
| 15:32.25 | themill | gravity: I was thinking more of settings from xrandr |
| 15:32.53 | themill | gravity: the automagical is great as long as it all actually works... We don't get an unbiased sample in here of course (people only /join because something *doesn't* work after all) but we do see a lot of issues getting things set up properly. Probably no more than for etch though... |
| 15:32.55 | gravity | themill: One could probably extend the xrandr client very easily to just get those and output a config file. |
| 15:33.02 | gravity | Sure |
| 15:33.30 | gravity | themill: I definitely see the use-case for it. I've been thinking about doing it for years because I believe it's valuable :-) |
| 15:33.43 | gravity | I just haven't had the time. Getting autoconfig up and running in the first place was more important |
| 15:33.57 | themill | gravity: that would be nice... drxx could ask "do you want me to also run xrandr --dump and add that to the config file for you?" .... |
| 15:34.07 | themill | gravity: of course |
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| 15:34.36 | gravity | And lately I've been focusing on making the XSF's job easier via better automation. We're burning out too fast so I need to do non-user visible stuff for a while to make sure we can keep delivering a reasonable level of quality before working on new improvements |
| 15:34.56 | gravity | themill: I agree. Even if xrandr itself doesn't have that, it'd be trivial to write a program to query this |
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| 15:35.23 | gravity | If I could figure out a good way to hook it up to Xorg -configure, it'd be winning |
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| 15:35.33 | themill | \o/ |
| 15:35.39 | harrachi | hi, |
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| 15:36.21 | harrachi | i want to install a program and whan i type ./configure it says no such file or .. |
| 15:36.26 | gravity | Anyway, seeing all these issues with people's day to day experience with X is why I started working on it after all. It's amazing that it's still causing real pain all these years later with things that are so basic. |
| 15:36.38 | gravity | Well, that and I wanted my own 3d hardware to work :-) |
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| 15:37.24 | themill | classic "itch to scratch" story :) |
| 15:37.50 | gravity | X is itchier than a wool sweater |
| 15:37.55 | themill | heh |
| 15:39.02 | gravity | themill: If you're interested in working on a patch to do this for xrandr, I'd be happy to apply it in Debian and help get it pushed upstream |
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| 15:40.00 | themill | gravity: perhaps.... there are other itches that I'm currently scratching though. |
| 15:40.05 | gravity | ok |
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| 15:41.30 | bigfoot- | I'm trying to install openoffice.org 3.1.1 from lenny-backports in lenny ( |
| 15:41.31 | bigfoot- | I'm trying to install openoffice.org 3.1.1 from lenny-backports in lenny (===== Für alle Doktoranden ===== |
| 15:41.34 | bigfoot- | oops. |
| 15:42.11 | themill | bigfoot-: OOo3 appears to be broken on backports.org atm. I suspect that it's still waiting on debs to be built for some architectures |
| 15:42.30 | bigfoot- | Ah, okay. Then I don't have to reformulate my question, thanks ... |
| 15:42.56 | bigfoot- | Any idea how I can go back to OOo 1:3.1.0-5~bpo50+2 in the meantime? I uninstalled that one. |
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| 15:43.45 | bigfoot- | I still have the package files in /var/cache/apt, but dpkg -i doesn't resolve dependencies for me ... |
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| 15:44.28 | themill | bigfoot-: "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/openoffice*3.1.0*deb" might be enough |
| 15:45.12 | themill | (err... /var/cache/apt/archives/open...) |
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| 15:46.15 | giso | X won't start (probably because there's something wrong with my fglrx install, with vesa driver it will start), what can I do |
| 15:46.26 | giso | ? |
| 15:46.30 | gravity | Use vesa |
| 15:46.35 | gravity | Or don't use fglrx |
| 15:46.49 | ajavid | check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:46.56 | ajavid | find out why its not starting |
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| 15:47.00 | ajavid | and listen to gravity. |
| 15:47.42 | ajavid | giso, what video card? you can use open source radeon or radeonhd driver |
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| 15:48.01 | ajavid | giso, depending on your card and debian distro, you may or may not have 3D, but it WILL work and better than VESA |
| 15:48.31 | ranix | fglrx's divinity was revoked quite some time ago; it's now known worldwide as an agent of evil |
| 15:48.38 | ranix | use radeon or radeonhd |
| 15:48.41 | ajavid | axis of evil |
| 15:48.47 | ajavid | we need a fucking Exorcist. |
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| 15:49.03 | ajavid | The power of Radeon compells you... |
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| 15:49.15 | ajavid | fglrx begone! |
| 15:49.18 | giso | what should I install to be able to use radeon? |
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| 15:49.27 | ajavid | giso, aptitude install xorg should do it |
| 15:49.37 | ranix | xserver-xorg-radeon iirc, it's autoinstalled with xserver-xorg |
| 15:49.42 | themill | and a compatible card |
| 15:49.49 | ajavid | giso, specicically xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 15:49.52 | ajavid | or xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 15:50.00 | ranix | check your card against google to see which supports it |
| 15:50.14 | ajavid | giso, lspci |grep -v iga |
| 15:50.20 | ajavid | uhm. |
| 15:50.29 | ajavid | grep -i vga |
| 15:50.30 | ajavid | ffs. |
| 15:50.37 | ranix | calm down ajavid\ |
| 15:50.39 | themill | lspci -nn is nice to get the pciid btw |
| 15:50.57 | ajavid | ranix, Wooosa. |
| 15:51.22 | ranix | you have a caffeine iv this morning |
| 15:51.28 | gravity | You'll need to really get rid of all the fglrx shit for radeon to even have a chance to work |
| 15:51.29 | ajavid | I don't do drugs. |
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| 15:51.32 | karika200 | hi |
| 15:51.42 | NiveusLuna | anyone who didn't use *nix would wonder what language you guys are speaking. |
| 15:51.42 | gravity | iirc |
| 15:51.45 | ajavid | i heard you'd have to reboot your system, power it off |
| 15:51.50 | ajavid | after you remove all fglrx bits |
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| 15:52.02 | karika200 | I want to run a program with samba, when somebody wnat's to connect to my shared folders... I found the exec option |
| 15:52.02 | bigfoot- | themill: It isn't, unfortunately: http://nopaste.php-quake.net/252092 |
| 15:52.04 | karika200 | but it doesn't run the program |
| 15:52.05 | ajavid | so it can clear out any weird state fglrx might have left the card in |
| 15:52.08 | karika200 | what can be the problem?:$ |
| 15:52.17 | gravity | You could probably just rmmod the kernel bits, but rebooting would work too |
| 15:52.23 | ajavid | modprobe -r |
| 15:52.25 | ajavid | spanks gravity |
| 15:52.26 | gravity | Oh, weird |
| 15:52.37 | gravity | Yeah, that makes sense |
| 15:52.48 | ajavid | :) |
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| 15:53.12 | ajavid | also, modprobe -r (dependencies and such) |
| 15:53.35 | ajavid | gravity, btw, as you can see from my current state of affairs |
| 15:53.44 | ajavid | gravity, fglrx has killed my previous two 24" LCDs |
| 15:53.48 | gravity | ouch |
| 15:53.51 | ajavid | gravity, my card is fine, which I thought my card was bad |
| 15:53.54 | themill | bigfoot-: ahh, you scrubbed dependencies out when you uninstalled |
| 15:53.56 | gravity | I've never run it and don't intend to |
| 15:54.02 | ajavid | gravity, yeah I just ordered two more new ones and hooked up yesterday |
| 15:54.02 | ranix | how does a driver kill your hardware |
| 15:54.09 | ajavid | gravity, I never will again |
| 15:54.19 | bigfoot- | themill: This means ... what for me? :) |
| 15:54.20 | ranix | I thought killer pokes went out with Amiga |
| 15:54.21 | ajavid | gravity, I tried everything, stuck pixel fixing, temperature, pressure, rubbing |
| 15:54.28 | ajavid | gravity, both lcds, totally caput |
| 15:54.35 | ajavid | I should sue ati, but ... I can't. |
| 15:54.36 | gravity | My friend worked on that driver. He's got... not nice things to say about it |
| 15:54.41 | gravity | Wow |
| 15:54.43 | gravity | That's fucked |
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| 15:54.55 | ajavid | its alright |
| 15:55.05 | ajavid | I make enough money to buy 24" lcs twice in 3 yeas |
| 15:55.09 | ajavid | lol |
| 15:55.18 | ranix | ajavid: must be nice! |
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| 15:55.32 | ajavid | hopefully won't have to buy more for a while, but I was thinking about giving my two monitors to ajavid |
| 15:55.36 | themill | bigfoot-: try "aptitude -f install" first and if that doesn't work, go through that output and pick out what's missing |
| 15:55.40 | giso | I have a radeon X1200 btw |
| 15:55.41 | ajavid | my twin brother who guerin ran off outta here years ago |
| 15:55.43 | gravity | is poor |
| 15:55.49 | ajavid | and I'm planning on buying large format disp,lays |
| 15:55.53 | ajavid | this winter |
| 15:55.58 | ajavid | gravity, you will be rich soon |
| 15:56.02 | ajavid | gravity, just graduate already |
| 15:56.04 | gravity | I did |
| 15:56.10 | gravity | I'm a postdoc now. |
| 15:56.11 | ajavid | ok, so find work |
| 15:56.13 | ajavid | oh word |
| 15:56.27 | gravity | If we can pull this stuff off we may end up rich, but that's a ways off :-) |
| 15:56.33 | ajavid | hehe |
| 15:56.44 | ajavid | well if you have a doctrate, you're not goingn to struggle |
| 15:56.52 | ajavid | ever. unless its in religion or something, then the max you can do is teach |
| 15:56.54 | ajavid | I suppose |
| 15:56.54 | gravity | That's the hope |
| 15:56.59 | gravity | Heh, no, it's biology |
| 15:57.03 | ajavid | hehe |
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| 15:57.40 | ajavid | ah yes you and don doing the same thign? |
| 15:57.45 | gravity | Sorta, yeah |
| 15:57.46 | ajavid | genetic bioinformtics |
| 15:57.50 | ajavid | something like that anyway |
| 16:00.29 | abrotman | !ot |
| 16:00.29 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 16:00.46 | `kosmic` | how can i set locale |
| 16:00.57 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:00.59 | ajavid | `kosmic`, install locales, dpkg-reconfigure lcoales |
| 16:01.01 | ajavid | locales |
| 16:01.01 | `kosmic` | everything i use aptitude i get manconv: cant set the local make sure lc and lang are correct |
| 16:01.03 | mrfree | I added "deb http://packages.dotdeb.org lenny all" but now I removed it and I want to downgrade installed pkgs to the version available in the official repo |
| 16:01.08 | mrfree | how can I do this? |
| 16:01.08 | ajavid | !locales |
| 16:01.08 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 16:01.09 | `kosmic` | everytime* |
| 16:01.11 | `kosmic` | okl |
| 16:01.17 | ajavid | `kosmic`, look at factoid |
| 16:01.39 | ajavid | mrfree, do not use dotdeb please |
| 16:01.48 | ajavid | mrfree, again that is |
| 16:02.18 | ajavid | mrfree, I suppose you could uhm... I'm not sure.. pin origin to official debian repos, and priority 1001 |
| 16:02.20 | `kosmic` | this is too complicated |
| 16:02.22 | ajavid | I suppose |
| 16:02.32 | themill | mrfree: "/msg dpkg obsolete" is one way of finding out what you got from dotdeb. You may also be able to "aptitude search ~i~Vdotdeb" (I *think* they include "dotdeb" in their version string) |
| 16:02.45 | ajavid | mrfree, hang on man apt-prerences or something, read about the priorities |
| 16:02.54 | ajavid | about what will downgrade and what won't |
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| 16:03.18 | ajavid | mrfree, again... don't ever use anything except official debian repos, if there is a 3rd party repo, come here and ask about it before using it |
| 16:03.18 | mrfree | I'd like to sync to lenny |
| 16:03.29 | ajavid | mrfree, how much did you isntall? |
| 16:03.37 | ajavid | mrfree, which packages from dotdeb? |
| 16:03.48 | mrfree | ajavid, php5 and mysql-client plus deps |
| 16:03.55 | ajavid | mrfree, ok, first remove them |
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| 16:04.01 | ajavid | mrfree, aptitude purge them |
| 16:04.21 | ajavid | mrfree, then remove it from sources.list, update, upgrade, install php5/etc. etc. |
| 16:04.32 | ajavid | mrfree, first purge all the garge you installed from dotdeb |
| 16:04.37 | ajavid | garbage |
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| 16:05.40 | mrfree | ajavid, do u mean all the pkgs returned by "aptitude search ~i~Vdotdeb"? |
| 16:05.41 | ajavid | mrfree, actually before you do this you can search for packages from a certain rpo using aptitude and then remove those, and then thier deps will also be removed via aptitude |
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| 16:05.47 | ajavid | mrfree, yes |
| 16:05.49 | bigfoot- | themill: I got OOo 3.1.0 back, thanks for your support :-) |
| 16:05.49 | ajavid | bingo |
| 16:05.54 | mrfree | ok |
| 16:05.56 | ajavid | mrfree, you know what you're doing |
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| 16:06.26 | themill | bigfoot-: yay! |
| 16:06.28 | ajavid | well not specifically version |
| 16:06.33 | ajavid | ~Oorigin |
| 16:06.35 | ajavid | use this instead |
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| 16:06.59 | ajavid | mrfree, aptidude search ~Odotdeb |
| 16:07.03 | ajavid | something like that anyway |
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| 16:07.37 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:08.14 | chellomere | uh. can it really know the origin of a package? |
| 16:08.14 | `kosmic` | i think i will skip this locale setup |
| 16:08.18 | `kosmic` | it is afterall a server |
| 16:08.21 | `kosmic` | i dont need it! |
| 16:08.31 | ajavid | hang on dangit |
| 16:08.37 | ajavid | here. try this |
| 16:08.41 | ajavid | chellomere, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
| 16:08.52 | mrfree | ajavid, I haven't understand yet why aptitude simply recognize that some pkgs aren't available and install the best available version instead |
| 16:09.06 | chellomere | oh |
| 16:09.07 | ajavid | mrfree, chellomere http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#searchOrigin |
| 16:09.22 | abrotman | mrfree: you can explicitly request a version from aptitude |
| 16:09.26 | chellomere | I didn't think there even was a way to know where you got a package from |
| 16:09.35 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 16:09.35 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 16:09.37 | ajavid | mrfree, you can install whatever version you like from command line |
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| 16:10.38 | ajavid | again, I can't emphasize enough... DO __NOT__ USE non-debian packages. |
| 16:11.01 | ajavid | unless of course you know wtf you're doing or you ask here first. |
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| 16:12.05 | mrfree | ajavid, I was searching for a php bug in debian so I tried the latest version from an unofficial repo |
| 16:12.34 | ajavid | no need to explain yourself, just remember for the future. |
| 16:12.34 | mrfree | sure :) |
| 16:12.46 | fxiny | ajavid : i can see a fly in this ointment you are selling : bpo packages ? :) |
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| 16:13.06 | ajavid | fxiny, as usual, I have no idea what you're on about :) |
| 16:13.11 | mrfree | but I thought I can simply tell aptitute to consider a specific release and sync with it |
| 16:13.11 | fxiny | heheeh |
| 16:13.13 | ajavid | nods and smiles |
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| 16:14.32 | ajavid | fxiny, I see what you mean. No there is no fly, BPO is maintained by DDs and for the most part is considerd 'official' |
| 16:14.48 | ajavid | fxiny, using bpo is like using debian official repos, they are supported here I'm sure |
| 16:15.08 | ajavid | fxiny, so since that is a given, there are no flies in my ointment! :) |
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| 16:16.01 | ajavid | fxiny, bpo is searchable via pdo :) that makes it official enough in my book |
| 16:16.20 | fxiny | ajavid: iss not official , volatile is |
| 16:16.29 | ajavid | fxiny, in my book |
| 16:16.38 | ajavid | not your book, not anyone else's book, but mine. |
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| 16:17.28 | lmdmendes | a shell when I delete a file with the rm command, I can recuperare file? |
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| 16:17.39 | ajavid | lmdmendes, undelete? |
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| 16:17.48 | lmdmendes | is possible? |
| 16:17.53 | ajavid | lmdmendes, which file system do you have? anything but ext2 and its hard... very hard. |
| 16:17.54 | chellomere | lmdmendes, what file system? yes, it's possible. |
| 16:18.11 | fxiny | ext3 is a bitch |
| 16:18.33 | ajavid | none of the journaled ones will do (I can't spell jounredl) |
| 16:18.43 | chellomere | you did |
| 16:18.44 | ajavid | thats a feature of having a journal... |
| 16:18.52 | lmdmendes | was within a shell, an external server, I logged in via ssh |
| 16:18.54 | ajavid | oh ok, my english is bad |
| 16:19.14 | chellomere | lmdmendes, do you have root access on it? |
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| 16:19.16 | ajavid | lmdmendes, mount -l |
| 16:19.30 | ajavid | lmdmendes, which fs is the partition you deleted the file from?> |
| 16:19.37 | ajavid | lmdmendes, or file -s /dev/whaever |
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| 16:24.47 | aaron_ | hey can someone help me i have a question i have a compaq presario 700 everything works fine but my sound is not working before it was working before but now it's not working can someone Help me please |
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| 16:25.04 | ajavid | !alsa-checklist |
| 16:25.04 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 16:25.14 | aaron_ | ajavid, i already ddid that |
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| 16:25.49 | dhodgkin | aaron_: is it not working period? |
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| 16:25.54 | aaron_ | nope |
| 16:26.05 | aaron_ | but the funny thing is i can see the sound card with the mixer |
| 16:26.11 | aaron_ | but there is no sound at all |
| 16:26.12 | ajavid | arsenip, stable? |
| 16:26.15 | ajavid | aaron_, stable? |
| 16:26.20 | aaron_ | nope lenny |
| 16:26.25 | ajavid | lol, lenny is stable |
| 16:26.31 | ajavid | aaron_, sudo alsaconf |
| 16:26.38 | aaron_ | alsaconf was remove |
| 16:26.46 | ajavid | note, it is deprecated in testing/sid |
| 16:27.08 | ajavid | aaron_, no it wasn't. |
| 16:27.11 | aaron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.18 | ajavid | aaron_, thats why I asked you if you have stable or not |
| 16:27.19 | aaron_ | !tell ajatollah about alsaconf |
| 16:27.42 | ajavid | aaron_, i know what I'm talking about, but feel free .... |
| 16:27.43 | ajavid | dude |
| 16:27.46 | ajavid | ajatollah, ffs. |
| 16:27.47 | aaron_ | Nope I'm running squeeze |
| 16:27.58 | atirjavid | aaron_, you just told me you run stable. |
| 16:28.02 | atirjavid | make up your mind dude. |
| 16:28.10 | aaron_ | i just saw my sources.list |
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| 16:28.14 | aaron_ | and I'm running squeeze |
| 16:28.26 | atirjavid | then I can't help you with sound :) |
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| 16:28.33 | atirjavid | I'm a noob, I dunno enough beyond stable. |
| 16:29.12 | aaron_ | 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 16:29.16 | aaron_ | that's the sound card |
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| 16:30.04 | dhodgkin | aaron_: oh dude, I have the same one, it works fin under lenny, but I always had issues getting ti to work under any other distro |
| 16:30.41 | aaron_ | dhodgkin, the funny thing is the mixer looks fine like there is the sound card and everything |
| 16:30.44 | aaron_ | and is unmute |
| 16:30.57 | aaron_ | and i cannnot play mp3s with audacious or youtube videos |
| 16:31.16 | atirjavid | aaron_, play something on command line using mplayer or something and watch console output |
| 16:31.23 | atirjavid | or use alsaplayer verbose or something I dunnno |
| 16:31.31 | atirjavid | aplay something and watch for errors |
| 16:31.35 | dhodgkin | hmm |
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| 16:32.12 | aaron_ | Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load module "libcanberra-gtk-module.so": libcanberra-gtk-module.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:32.12 | aaron_ | Message: device: default |
| 16:32.35 | aaron_ | no sound with alsaplayrer |
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| 16:34.05 | aaron_ | dhodgkin, how u got it working? |
| 16:34.10 | dhodgkin | aaron_: check /usr/lib to see if libcanberra-gtk.so is there |
| 16:34.23 | dhodgkin | aaron_: it just worked out of the box for me |
| 16:34.33 | aaron_ | it was working fine |
| 16:34.36 | aaron_ | i had sound before |
| 16:34.45 | aaron_ | i reboot the fucking pc and it stop working |
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| 16:37.13 | dhodgkin | hmm |
| 16:37.32 | dhodgkin | wth is libcanberra-gtk-module.so for? |
| 16:37.47 | atirjavid | not for sound. |
| 16:37.50 | anddam | is there a tool to setup interfaces? |
| 16:38.03 | anddam | like generate a static config for an interface? |
| 16:38.14 | dhodgkin | that's what I thought, it's some 32bit lib |
| 16:38.15 | atirjavid | without it |
| 16:38.20 | atirjavid | poof! |
| 16:38.46 | atirjavid | I like KDE sound system |
| 16:38.51 | dhodgkin | me too |
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| 16:38.59 | atirjavid | arts is a pos, but... it works. |
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| 16:39.16 | dhodgkin | atirjavid: agreed |
| 16:39.55 | dhodgkin | aaron_: I am thinking of reason the sound would just stop on you. |
| 16:40.12 | aaron_ | I'm wondering too |
| 16:40.15 | aaron_ | why the hell is not working |
| 16:40.19 | dhodgkin | aaron_: what WM are you using? |
| 16:40.29 | aaron_ | gnome |
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| 16:40.38 | dhodgkin | hmm |
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| 16:40.53 | dhodgkin | and you're sure esound daemon is runnin? |
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| 16:42.06 | dhodgkin | Gnome does still use the Enlightened Sound daemon right? |
| 16:42.36 | anddam | ok dpkg enlightened me, is there a particulare file from which /etc/resolv.conf is generated? |
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| 16:43.43 | anddam | and again dpkg is of the greatest utility |
| 16:44.17 | abrotman | dhodgkin: olny if you set it up .. i don't use it |
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| 16:44.47 | anddam | bye |
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| 16:45.03 | anddam | lol "de rien" |
| 16:45.22 | anddam | it should be "pas de qua", shouldn't it? |
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| 16:46.56 | fxiny | hmmm |
| 16:47.07 | atirjavid | Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) |
| 16:47.11 | fxiny | i've lost a chanche :P |
| 16:47.14 | atirjavid | when the hell did this start? |
| 16:47.28 | atirjavid | seriously... before yesterday I've never had to mount devpts |
| 16:47.29 | Raff7 | try searching for fstab |
| 16:47.40 | atirjavid | i know th eproblem just wondering when it started (the change) |
| 16:47.46 | fxiny | atirjavid: ? wt4x of a nick you've morphed into ? |
| 16:47.55 | atirjavid | fxiny, ajatollah keeps fucking me up |
| 16:48.03 | atirjavid | fxiny, this is my first and last name |
| 16:48.12 | atirjavid | well, first and middle, my last name is Khan ;) |
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| 16:48.47 | fxiny | Khan is like Patel , pretty common |
| 16:48.55 | atirjavid | sudo mount devpts /home/ajavid/sid-i386-chroot/dev/pts/ -t devpts |
| 16:49.08 | atirjavid | fxiny, well, the last name is, but not the race... |
| 16:49.25 | atirjavid | fxiny, I'm a real afghani Pathan (pushtun/pukhtoon) whatever |
| 16:49.43 | fxiny | atirjavid: so you drink that strong tea with milk ? |
| 16:49.44 | atirjavid | fxiny, so mounting devpts ... no more errors... just wanna know wtf, I been using chroots for god knows how long |
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| 16:49.59 | atirjavid | fxiny, 3-4 teabags in one cup, with lots of half n half |
| 16:50.00 | atirjavid | yes. |
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| 16:50.16 | JyZyXEL | are messages from the bootup screen saved somewhere? |
| 16:50.23 | atirjavid | I've never had to mount devpts before man... |
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| 16:50.32 | abrotman | !tell JyZyXEL about bootlog |
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| 16:51.25 | atirjavid | fxiny, thats why my name is farsi. Pathan. :) |
| 16:51.31 | km | how can i run a program/process as user owner from a different user? |
| 16:51.32 | atirjavid | ok, i'll put this into my fstab too |
| 16:51.36 | fxiny | atirjavid: i'm talkig about the tea made by keeping on boiling milk with tea bags on it |
| 16:51.44 | atirjavid | fxiny, no, never did that |
| 16:51.56 | atirjavid | fxiny, what do you use for yoru pager? |
| 16:52.05 | fxiny | atirjavid: less since ever |
| 16:52.35 | atirjavid | fxiny, I use most |
| 16:53.03 | atirjavid | fxiny, now I'm wondering |
| 16:53.30 | atirjavid | fxiny, you know how the new shell is going to be 'dash' instead of bash... how that will affect the tab completion? will there be a dash-completion like there is a bash-completion? |
| 16:53.47 | atirjavid | what a thought huh |
| 16:54.06 | atirjavid | or will dash use the bash-completion package thingy? |
| 16:54.14 | fxiny | atirjavid: dunno , i use bash but i prefere zsh |
| 16:54.28 | atirjavid | i used to use zsh, I still do from time to time |
| 16:54.39 | abrotman | atirjavid: no, it's not |
| 16:54.42 | atirjavid | my once up on a time friend rahul turned me onto it, I have not seen him in ages |
| 16:54.45 | atirjavid | !seen rahul |
| 16:54.45 | dpkg | rahul <~rahul@123.236.187.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 185d 13m 35s ago, saying: 'audio does not work, some part of lsmod > snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device'. |
| 16:54.53 | atirjavid | whoah. |
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| 16:55.10 | abrotman | the new shell is not dash |
| 16:55.26 | atirjavid | abrotman, I thought that debian from squeeze onward will use dash as default |
| 16:55.33 | atirjavid | abrotman, this is not correct? |
| 16:55.44 | abrotman | atirjavid: you only half read whatever you read .. /bin/sh will point at dash .. |
| 16:55.45 | atirjavid | Squeeze release goals |
| 16:55.57 | atirjavid | probably |
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| 16:57.28 | fxiny | atirjavid: do you use wcd ? |
| 16:57.40 | atirjavid | I don't even know what it is |
| 16:58.00 | fxiny | look into it |
| 16:58.00 | atirjavid | cool |
| 16:58.05 | atirjavid | fxiny, how does it work? |
| 16:58.34 | fxiny | cd /1/2/3/4/5 dir ? wcd 5 takes you there |
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| 16:58.59 | atirjavid | i see |
| 16:59.05 | atirjavid | reading the manpage now, very interesting |
| 16:59.13 | atirjavid | multiple matches presents a list, saves lots of typing |
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| 16:59.19 | fxiny | yes |
| 16:59.20 | atirjavid | would need to get usd to wcd i suppose |
| 16:59.27 | GoodStudent | what are the main files to load and run the smallest basic linux enivronment? like the three DOS main files msdos.sys,io.sys,command.com. |
| 16:59.30 | atirjavid | as you can tell no doubt, I type fast and a lot I do't have a problem typing |
| 16:59.38 | atirjavid | I do however make a lot of typing errors |
| 16:59.51 | fxiny | atirjavid: start by enjoing : wcd pr0n :P |
| 17:00.12 | atirjavid | lol |
| 17:00.26 | fxiny | best way to understand wcd :P |
| 17:00.35 | atirjavid | you're a crackhead :) |
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| 17:03.12 | fxiny | atirjavid: this is something bash is totally missing . instead of trying to catch up with zsh , it should add this nice feature |
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| 17:03.29 | Union | здаÑова, бÑаÑÑÑ |
| 17:03.30 | atirjavid | yup |
| 17:03.33 | atirjavid | Union, russian? |
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| 17:03.45 | Union | yep) |
| 17:03.48 | atirjavid | !ru |
| 17:03.48 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:03.48 | fxiny | atirjavid: and the bash_eternal_history |
| 17:04.14 | Union | no problem |
| 17:04.17 | Union | sorry) |
| 17:04.22 | atirjavid | Union, that or irc.debian.org |
| 17:04.30 | atirjavid | er.. debian.net... fuck. irc.oftc.net man |
| 17:04.37 | atirjavid | whats the alias? |
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| 17:04.44 | abrotman | !enter |
| 17:04.44 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:04.50 | atirjavid | thats not what I asked. |
| 17:05.26 | Dryanta | so |
| 17:05.28 | Dryanta | if i |
| 17:05.30 | Dryanta | talk |
| 17:05.32 | Dryanta | like this |
| 17:05.36 | Dryanta | ill get kicked? |
| 17:05.41 | Dryanta | thats mean |
| 17:06.06 | atirjavid | 3 lines... ok |
| 17:06.10 | Dryanta | way 2 go irc elitist |
| 17:06.10 | atirjavid | that merited a !enter |
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| 17:06.25 | Dryanta | way 2 go irc elitist |
| 17:06.30 | atirjavid | watch me spam everyone in here from now on with !enter |
| 17:06.33 | Dryanta | i hope you are happy |
| 17:06.37 | atirjavid | lets do it. |
| 17:06.46 | Dryanta | hot |
| 17:06.53 | Dryanta | i call top |
| 17:07.15 | grand_grunt | I do prefer ps aux. |
| 17:07.21 | atirjavid | htop |
| 17:07.29 | fxiny | grand_grunt: pgrep |
| 17:07.31 | grand_grunt | atirjavid: yep. |
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| 17:07.38 | Dryanta | i prefer ps -axuf |
| 17:07.43 | atirjavid | Htop is an ncursed-based process viewer similar to top, but it allows to scroll the list vertically and horizontally to see all processes and their full command lines. |
| 17:07.48 | dhodgkin | atirjavid: what I miss? |
| 17:08.07 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, nothing I suppose |
| 17:08.13 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, just another day in debian with abrotman |
| 17:08.13 | grand_grunt | dhodgkin: You missed "did". |
| 17:08.22 | abrotman | atirjavid: if you don't like it, go somewhere else |
| 17:08.36 | atirjavid | I love it. |
| 17:08.50 | abrotman | amazing how you treat things you love ... |
| 17:08.53 | Dryanta | ^^same |
| 17:09.06 | atirjavid | amazing how much grown up you act at fucking age 30. |
| 17:09.14 | dhodgkin | grand_grunt: grammar nazi, LOL |
| 17:09.28 | atirjavid | would you chill out please? |
| 17:09.30 | atirjavid | ffs. |
| 17:09.39 | dhodgkin | is chill. |
| 17:10.10 | abrotman | atirjavid: you can't control your enter key, you can't stop being offtopic .. would you like us to let you do whatever you'd like? |
| 17:10.40 | atirjavid | abrotman, I refuse to let you draw me into a bullshit argument. Have at it. |
| 17:10.40 | abrotman | you treat this channel as a dumping ground for whatever flows out of your mouth |
| 17:10.49 | atirjavid | ok |
| 17:10.51 | atirjavid | whatever you say. |
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| 17:11.42 | dhodgkin | I think what we all need to is take a rm -f / pill |
| 17:11.50 | dhodgkin | *do |
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| 17:12.01 | grand_grunt | or else a /join #debian-offtopic? |
| 17:12.19 | simonrvn | or just stfu and get back on topic kthxbai |
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| 17:13.09 | dhodgkin | anyone have issues with getting Adobe AIR installed on lenny amd64? |
| 17:13.17 | imduffy15 | dhodgkin, that rm would require the switch -r too :P |
| 17:13.22 | atirjavid | whats adobe air |
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| 17:13.37 | dhodgkin | imduffy15: oh yeah :D, thanks man |
| 17:13.41 | atirjavid | hm |
| 17:13.49 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, is it prop. or open? |
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| 17:14.07 | dhodgkin | atirjavid: sarcasm or actual question? |
| 17:14.07 | grand_grunt | very prop with DRM. |
| 17:14.24 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, you should be messing with cakephp instead. |
| 17:14.35 | dhodgkin | atirjavid: I am bro |
| 17:14.35 | grand_grunt | Adobe distributes packages for a few distros (such as ubuntu) |
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| 17:15.00 | atirjavid | the only adobe thing I use is... uhm. I actually don't use any adobe software. |
| 17:15.17 | dhodgkin | I tried using the Ubuntu installation instructions and got no where |
| 17:15.32 | atirjavid | nope, none. All I use is kpdf for PDF |
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| 17:16.37 | dhodgkin | atirjavid: well, unfortunately I have to use Adobe Illustrator for school and Dreamweaver (throws up a little in his mouth) |
| 17:16.48 | fxiny | oh . i was just wondering why ubuntu was the only missing pita in this fine conversation |
| 17:16.50 | atirjavid | that sucks |
| 17:17.02 | dhodgkin | yeah it sucks |
| 17:17.02 | atirjavid | fxiny, lol |
| 17:17.16 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, i have to use windows so I have a vmware installation in stable |
| 17:17.28 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, took me and fxiniy some time to figure out the patch |
| 17:17.35 | dhodgkin | yeah? |
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| 17:18.09 | atirjavid | .30 kernel needed to be patched, and the patch was also broken, hunks failing left and right, had to patch the patch to get it to patch! Then finally vmmon/vmnet were built successfully |
| 17:18.49 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, in my class, they use online application in IE, some stupid active X control, can't run it in linux or wine or anything else |
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| 17:19.08 | dhodgkin | patching patches is just not right, you shouldn't have to do it. |
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| 17:19.27 | fxiny | atirjavid: the pacth i told you to use : the psycho patch;) |
| 17:19.29 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, it wasn't a debian patch, it was an unofficial patch by some vmware guru fanboy |
| 17:19.39 | atirjavid | fxiny, no you told me about psycho, totally caput |
| 17:19.45 | dhodgkin | atirjavid: ah |
| 17:19.46 | atirjavid | fxiny, I used Josh's patch, fixed up |
| 17:20.36 | fxiny | atirjavid: because you are not running stable but some frank&stein 2.6.30* |
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| 17:21.06 | atirjavid | fxiny, also, I have not told you yet, I am not going to buy nvidia anymore. By next summer (some radeon dev have said this to me), hopefully by next summer, they will be implementing H.264 Accelerated Decoding in radeon and radeonhd |
| 17:21.15 | atirjavid | fxiny, so, I get to keep my X1900 :) |
| 17:21.56 | atirjavid | fxiny, the ATI open specs are there, but they have not gotten around to it yet. The plan is to stabalize 3D in radeonhd in 6xx/7xx chipsets, and then work on HD acceleration |
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| 17:22.12 | dhodgkin | The only thing that ATI has over nVidia is mainly Win related, and it that ATI fully supports DX11 |
| 17:22.14 | atirjavid | fxiny, about one to one point five years |
| 17:22.47 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, no, the only thing it has over nvidia is that ATI was smart enough to open the specs to the hardware |
| 17:22.55 | dhodgkin | there is only 1 nVidia card, that I know of, that supports DX11 and it's over $1,000 |
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| 17:23.25 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, this is why radeon and radeonhd were made possible so fast. Reverse engineering the driver and creating an experimental one for 5/6/7xx chipsets without having the ATI specs was a bitch |
| 17:23.26 | dhodgkin | atirjavid: :P ATI blows, sorry bro. nVidia fan for life!! |
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| 17:24.06 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, whatever makes you happy computing experience :) |
| 17:24.10 | simonrvn | wonders why people are fans of corporations... |
| 17:24.26 | atirjavid | simonrvn, I'm a fan of open specs and free drivers :) |
| 17:24.46 | simonrvn | </ot> |
| 17:24.46 | dhodgkin | nVidias drivers are free |
| 17:24.50 | atirjavid | I could go with either Intel or ATI, but ATI makes better cards |
| 17:24.52 | dhodgkin | and they work perfectly |
| 17:24.54 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, only nv is, nvidia isn't. |
| 17:25.01 | fxiny | atirjavid: ati nvidia and all hardware vendors are suckers : they like our little money and they follow redmond business instructions . i do not trust 'em |
| 17:25.01 | atirjavid | nvidia drivers are non-free |
| 17:25.15 | Titan8990_ | alright... really... #debian-chat |
| 17:25.23 | dhodgkin | I mean free as in beer, not freedom |
| 17:25.29 | atirjavid | talking about the freedom of software drivers in debian is not offtopic |
| 17:25.33 | simonrvn | Titan8990_++ |
| 17:25.36 | atirjavid | what THEY are talking about is |
| 17:25.43 | atirjavid | I'm trying NOT to be offtopic |
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| 17:25.56 | Titan8990_ | atirjavid, then discuss this in a different channel please |
| 17:26.30 | atirjavid | you mean inform someone that drivers in debian are free or nonfree? I should go elsewhere to tell someont his? |
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| 17:27.01 | Titan8990_ | they are drivers in LINUX and your discussion has already gone well beyond that |
| 17:27.10 | dhodgkin | atirjavid: what he means is driver discussions are generic |
| 17:28.37 | atirjavid | Titan8990_, ok. How many people are currently asking for debian support, that we are taking such important time away from? |
| 17:28.52 | atirjavid | I don't agree with you, but whatever. Its done. |
| 17:29.02 | abrotman | Just because there isn't anyone asking for support doesn't make it okay for you to be offtopic |
| 17:29.09 | atirjavid | I wasn't being offtopic. |
| 17:29.17 | atirjavid | but you can continue to badger me and bitch, I dont' care. |
| 17:29.41 | abrotman | i was just stating it .. since you said it didn't matter because no one was asking for support |
| 17:29.55 | dhodgkin | actually atirjavid is right, how exactly is a generic discussion offtopic? |
| 17:29.57 | atirjavid | that was an additional point. Regardless, move on. |
| 17:30.18 | atirjavid | dhodgkin, don't push it, it might be that time of the month. |
| 17:30.26 | abrotman | atirjavid: really .. go somewhere else |
| 17:30.29 | dhodgkin | atirjavid: yeah |
| 17:30.43 | Titan8990_ | abrotman, your again too nice |
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| 17:30.50 | atirjavid | abrotman, no thanks. |
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| 17:31.41 | abrotman | It's pretty sad that at least once a day, someone has to tell atirjavid that he's offtopic again |
| 17:32.00 | dhodgkin | Hey, is it offtopic to ask "If I am running Debian, but am truly a Slackware fan, will it get me kicked?" |
| 17:32.02 | Titan8990_ | once a day? i don't even recognize the name |
| 17:32.18 | Titan8990_ | dhodgkin, no, everyone knows im a gentoo fan |
| 17:32.18 | abrotman | Titan8990_: ajavid/nyle/stoned/whateveritisthisweek |
| 17:32.46 | Titan8990_ | ah, did look familiar |
| 17:33.01 | atirjavid | actually apart from you bitching at me constantly, not very many people tell me. I'm not really ot that much, you just like to pick on me for whatever reason |
| 17:33.04 | Titan8990_ | atirjavid, your always in #debian-chat anyways.... |
| 17:33.05 | atirjavid | its been like this for years |
| 17:33.05 | dhodgkin | Titan8990_: about 3 years ago I got banned indefinitely from #debian because I was running Slakckware |
| 17:33.07 | atirjavid | I give up |
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| 17:33.55 | dhodgkin | I didn't say a word, and got banned |
| 17:33.59 | Titan8990_ | dhodgkin, you can't blame a entire community because the actions of a single op |
| 17:33.59 | fxiny | dhodgkin: hard to belive |
| 17:34.11 | dhodgkin | Titan8990_: I'm not |
| 17:34.13 | fxiny | believe* |
| 17:34.14 | Titan8990_ | but yes, hard to believe |
| 17:34.16 | abrotman | Does anyone actually have a Debian support question? |
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| 17:34.18 | dhodgkin | I was jsut saying |
| 17:34.18 | atirjavid | Titan8990_, I don't. I've learned to deal with that op. |
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| 17:34.41 | atirjavid | The debian community is great, loving, helpful, professional |
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| 17:34.46 | el_alexluna | hi all! |
| 17:34.59 | atirjavid | some people have behavrioral problems and project thier shit onto others... |
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| 17:35.31 | atirjavid | el_alexluna, better ask a support question... fast ;) |
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| 17:36.51 | el_alexluna | how can I configure my /etc/syslog.conf in order to redirect ssh messages to other file like /var/log/sshd.log |
| 17:39.13 | stew | el_alexluna: you'd have to change which facility sshd is logging to in sshd_config (man sshd_config) then edit syslog.conf to log that facility to a new file. that facility could be something like "local1" or something which you aren't yet using |
| 17:39.46 | stew | el_alexluna: by default sshd logs to the "auth" facility, so you can't recdirect just the sshd messages without redirecting other things in auth |
| 17:40.44 | ajavid | ajatollah, can you please spell it like ayatollah (correctly) |
| 17:40.56 | ajavid | if at all possible :)... |
| 17:41.24 | el_alexluna | stew, something like auth.info /var/log/sshd.log |
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| 17:41.59 | asg | el_alexluna: you may also consider more full featured syslogds (rsyslog, syslog-ng) that can do what you want. |
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| 17:44.55 | dmi3on | hi all how do i configure network thourght terminal ? |
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| 17:45.15 | justin | dmi3on: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:45.16 | Titan8990_ | dmi3on, ifconfig, route, and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:45.30 | Titan8990_ | dmi3on, or /etc/network/interfaces for perm settings |
| 17:45.50 | dmi3on | i need to setup ip dns etc... |
| 17:46.05 | Titan8990_ | dmi3on, yep, just told you two ways |
| 17:46.09 | dmi3on | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:46.12 | dmi3on | ok thx |
| 17:46.20 | xxtjaxx | hmmm... |
| 17:47.22 | xxtjaxx | how could I use a debian live usb stick from a ARM iso so it can boot on a navigation device for a car the problem seems to bethat it isnt intrested in other boot devices |
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| 17:48.12 | ajavid | dmi3on, man 5 interfaces |
| 17:48.13 | hans_ | i installed apache2, but i am missing apache2-ssl-certificate. which package do i need to install for that tool? |
| 17:48.16 | dmi3on | Titan8990_, i cant find were to enter DNS |
| 17:48.25 | ajavid | Titan8990_, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:48.31 | ajavid | I mean dmi3on |
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| 17:48.47 | ajavid | dmi3on, alternatively, you can specify dns-nameservers directive in your interfaces file |
| 17:48.51 | dmi3on | ajavid, i mean how to enter :) sorry |
| 17:48.52 | Titan8990_ | dmi3on, or man interfaces |
| 17:49.04 | ajavid | dmi3on, aptitude install resolvconf (read about the package) |
| 17:49.11 | Titan8990_ | ajatollah, man resolv.conf |
| 17:49.22 | dmi3on | i can install because i have no dhcp :( |
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| 17:49.57 | dmi3on | i see thanks |
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| 17:51.32 | ajavid | Titan8990_, ajatollah keeps fucking me up :) |
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| 17:54.15 | stew | el_alexluna: yes, but then you'll get anything going to auth.info, not just sshd |
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| 17:55.46 | xeon-enouf | wow - ajavid + atirjavid == 1000s of lines ;-) |
| 17:56.07 | el_alexluna | stew, how about SyslogFacility local1 and then in syslog.conf local1.info /var/log/sshd.log, could be this way? |
| 17:56.11 | fxiny | xeon-enouf: and some weird tab completion bug :P |
| 17:56.35 | xeon-enouf | fxiny: it's a khomeinie plot! :-p |
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| 17:57.11 | pumphaus | hi |
| 17:57.15 | ajavid | fxiny, its not a bug, ajatollah gets tabbed before I do |
| 17:57.41 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: just create an alias nickname; ajatollah-ajavid ;-) |
| 17:57.42 | ajavid | fxiny, just alphabetically sorted by nicks it tabs |
| 17:57.44 | pumphaus | is there anything like a installation tarball for debian (like with archlinux or a stage3 for gentoo)? |
| 17:58.04 | ajavid | pumphaus, not really, but there is debootstrap |
| 17:58.13 | ajavid | pumphaus, /msg dpkg ig, /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 17:58.16 | xeon-enouf | or debian.exe |
| 17:58.30 | xeon-enouf | or businesscard.iso |
| 17:58.31 | ajavid | pumphaus, alternatively, there is a netboot, netinst, hd-media, pxeboot, usb installers |
| 17:58.42 | ajavid | businesscard = netinst. |
| 17:58.46 | xeon-enouf | no |
| 17:58.48 | ajavid | already included in the list |
| 17:58.56 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, not the same iso, but the method of installation |
| 17:59.05 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, netboot/netinst/businesscard fall under same install method |
| 17:59.14 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: mucho less MB to d/l and burn |
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| 17:59.35 | pumphaus | thing is that I'd like to try debian on my PDA and something like extract to sd-card & chroot into it would be ideal |
| 17:59.42 | xeon-enouf | and netboot is nothing like netinstall |
| 17:59.47 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, and burn sure, but you forget, it WILL dl the rest of it from online anyway so that point is moot |
| 17:59.56 | xeon-enouf | no it's not moot |
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| 18:00.26 | ajavid | if you don't get netinst and get businesscard, it will still dl the rest of the system from online to fninish base system installation |
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| 18:00.32 | xeon-enouf | it all depends on need/usgae, connection speed, cd drive existance etc |
| 18:00.45 | ajavid | if you get netboot, then the installer will be downloaded, which in turn will download the base system |
| 18:00.55 | Titan8990_ | pumphaus, there is a specific debian project for embedded devices |
| 18:00.55 | ajavid | I don't think we're talking about the same thing buddy :) |
| 18:00.59 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: you're not telling me anything i don;t already know ;-) |
| 18:01.08 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, miscommunication I think :) |
| 18:01.13 | xeon-enouf | and matters nothing to the points i made ;-) |
| 18:01.16 | xeon-enouf | indeed |
| 18:01.24 | pumphaus | Titan8990_: thanks, I'll take a look at ir |
| 18:01.25 | pumphaus | *it |
| 18:01.34 | ajavid | !emdebian |
| 18:01.34 | dpkg | somebody said emdebian was a distribution focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official sub-project of Debian. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:01.36 | xeon-enouf | !emdebian |
| 18:01.39 | xeon-enouf | bah |
| 18:01.54 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: you really need a job as a closed captioning typist |
| 18:02.05 | ajavid | you keep saying that man, why? |
| 18:02.09 | ajavid | what do I do? |
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| 18:03.18 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: you type way too fast |
| 18:03.20 | ajavid | btw, there was a guy here known as concept10, he was making a audio processor box with debian as the OS, embedded, and last I remember, he go it to boot to busybox within a few seconds, and could control the LEDs |
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| 18:04.00 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, nah |
| 18:04.19 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: fast, isn't always better .. think about eating; think about SO encounters ;-) (just to name a couple) |
| 18:04.51 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: think of speed metal! ..haha |
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| 18:05.20 | fxiny | same as firecrackers :P |
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| 18:05.57 | xeon-enouf | fxiny: firecrackers are more tolerable .. :-) |
| 18:06.48 | xeon-enouf | fxiny: but rap (and many other stereotypical musical catergories) also falls into the inane drone category ;-) |
| 18:06.52 | dmi3on | i can find how to edit file as root :( |
| 18:07.11 | Titan8990_ | dmi3on, su |
| 18:07.23 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: find? su - ; $EDITOR filename |
| 18:07.30 | dmi3on | thx |
| 18:08.00 | xeon-enouf | !tell dmi3on -about sudoers |
| 18:08.27 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, if he doesn't know how to su, i doubt he has set an EDITOR env variable |
| 18:08.40 | xeon-enouf | there's also gksu/gksudo and kdesu/kdesud or soemshit, for those respective DEs |
| 18:10.01 | dmi3on | thanks |
| 18:10.01 | grand_grunt | Why is VLC in non-free repository? because of legal issues? |
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| 18:10.09 | dmi3on | xeon-enouf, thanks |
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| 18:10.30 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: su - ; sensible-editor filename |
| 18:10.35 | abrotman | grand_grunt: it's not? |
| 18:10.44 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: better? |
| 18:10.55 | abrotman | grand_grunt: vlc is in main in lenny/squeeze/sid .. are you using some third party repository ? |
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| 18:11.18 | Titan8990_ | i thought it was backports only... |
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| 18:11.21 | Titan8990_ | judd, versions vlc |
| 18:11.22 | judd | Titan8990_: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 sid: 1.0.1-1+b1 squeeze: 1.0.1-1+b1 |
| 18:11.32 | Titan8990_ | nope |
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| 18:12.06 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, yes, and i learned something new :) |
| 18:12.12 | xeon-enouf | judd: info vlc --release lenny |
| 18:12.12 | judd | xeon-enouf: vlc (graphics): is optional; Version: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; Size: 1060.2k; Installed: 2852k -- multimedia player and streamer |
| 18:12.32 | uwjesd | How to get to the network setup screen from the setup on a running system? |
| 18:12.36 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: bravo ;-) |
| 18:12.52 | dmi3on | xeon-enouf, i try to use shutdown -r now doesnt work, what command is used to restart debian |
| 18:13.02 | xeon-enouf | uwjesd: what? you want network-manager? |
| 18:13.05 | justin | !+doesn't work |
| 18:13.05 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 18:13.37 | grand_grunt | abrotman: no I don't use third party rep. |
| 18:13.38 | dmi3on | i get shutdown command not fund |
| 18:13.45 | abrotman | grand_grunt: it's not in non-free |
| 18:13.54 | grand_grunt | oki. |
| 18:13.57 | abrotman | uwjesd: you can't get to that exact screen .. what are you actually trying to do |
| 18:14.09 | abrotman | grand_grunt: http://packages.debian.org/vlc .. look for yourself |
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| 18:14.41 | grand_grunt | So, are they differents VLC with different codecs and modules? |
| 18:14.53 | Titan8990_ | dmi3on, you have to be root |
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| 18:15.11 | Titan8990_ | dmi3on, shutdown is in /sbin and /sbin is not in regular user's PATH by default |
| 18:15.21 | abrotman | grand_grunt: put `apt-cache policy vlc` in a pastebin |
| 18:15.36 | Titan8990_ | dmi3on, so you need to specify a full path to shutdown: /sbin/shutdown -r now ; and then it would tell you about root |
| 18:15.43 | Titan8990_ | err needing to be root |
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| 18:16.48 | dhodgkin | I usually use su -c "/sbin/shutdown -r now" |
| 18:16.48 | dmi3on | Titan8990_, thanks |
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| 18:17.22 | dhodgkin | or sudo /sbin/shutdown -r now |
| 18:17.59 | dmi3on | thanks |
| 18:18.02 | dmi3on | was easy |
| 18:18.02 | dmi3on | : 0 |
| 18:18.09 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: add your username t the powerdev group |
| 18:18.19 | grand_grunt | abrotman: don't worry, this wasn't a "I need help" question but a "I wonder for fun". I got nothing but debian repository and my apt-cache policy result is purely debian's ;) |
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| 18:18.24 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: gpasswd -a user powerdev |
| 18:18.31 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: logout/login |
| 18:18.48 | dmi3on | nice thanks |
| 18:18.50 | abrotman | grand_grunt: i'm wondering too .. i'd still like to see it |
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| 18:18.59 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: /msg dpkg groups (for more) |
| 18:19.27 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, you should suggest adduser for debian based systems |
| 18:19.35 | xeon-enouf | no |
| 18:19.36 | Titan8990_ | although, i guess it really doesn't matter |
| 18:19.45 | xeon-enouf | i suggest what's easiest and what works |
| 18:19.51 | xeon-enouf | it doesn't |
| 18:20.12 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: and what's wrong with useradd, usermod, groupadd? |
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| 18:20.50 | grand_grunt | abrotman: http://grunt.no-ip.info/vlc.txt |
| 18:21.06 | abrotman | grand_grunt: that's in main .. like i said .. not non-free |
| 18:21.31 | xeon-enouf | grand_grunt: /msg dpkg contrib ; /msg dpkg non-free ; abrotman is correct |
| 18:21.38 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, well, if you look at the useradd man page for example, in the first paragraph it says: " useradd is a low level utility for adding users. On Debian, administrators should usually use adduser(8) instead." |
| 18:22.24 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: i like low level , and i am king of my systems which == admin in charge ;-) |
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| 18:22.47 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: ever notice /etc/default/useradd ? |
| 18:22.49 | Titan8990_ | sure your not a gentoo user? |
| 18:22.59 | xeon-enouf | what's gentoo? |
| 18:23.03 | xeon-enouf | hides |
| 18:23.11 | karme | useradd vs adduser: i never got it - i have to lookup the man page again and again ... |
| 18:23.18 | Titan8990_ | !gentoosmite xeon-enouf |
| 18:23.18 | dpkg | spends 7 days recompiling xeon-enouf, and when it's all done, xeon-enouf runs 0.6% faster than previously |
| 18:23.25 | xeon-enouf | karme: hence gpasswd == ftw ;-) |
| 18:23.50 | uwjesd | My Girlfriend needs an alternative to network-admin because it fails configuring her network settings. |
| 18:24.09 | xeon-enouf | karme: with some of those; one MUST remember the -a before the -G list |
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| 18:24.27 | xeon-enouf | uwjesd: wifi or wired? |
| 18:24.42 | xeon-enouf | uwjesd: what Debian release, which kernel? |
| 18:24.43 | abrotman | uwjesd: if you're using gnome or kde .. they probably have their own tools |
| 18:24.49 | fxiny | logic is add+ , so adduser addgroup |
| 18:24.57 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, gentoo is a very good file manager for linux/X |
| 18:25.05 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, aptitude show gentoo |
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| 18:25.29 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: i don't use aptitude |
| 18:25.37 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, you get the point. |
| 18:25.52 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: try writing it correctly ; apt-cache show .. |
| 18:25.56 | xeon-enouf | :-P |
| 18:26.01 | ajavid | *sigh* tsk tsk |
| 18:26.13 | ajavid | aptitude is bettah! very highly customizable pacakge output |
| 18:26.34 | xeon-enouf | serruptitiously takes the cane away from ajavid :-P |
| 18:26.37 | uwjesd | She is using gnome and wants to setup gateway and IP |
| 18:26.39 | asg | karme: additionally, adduser has a more expressive and flexible default config (/etc/adduser.conf) than useradd. |
| 18:26.43 | dhodgkin | can you use gentoo's package manager in debian? |
| 18:26.48 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.54 | xeon-enouf | dhodgkin: no |
| 18:26.56 | ajavid | dhodgkin, why would you want to? |
| 18:27.06 | ajavid | dhodgkin, thats like dissing apt |
| 18:27.07 | xeon-enouf | dhodgkin: does it even have one? |
| 18:27.10 | fxiny | and the way to "adduser username group" follows the natural logic . why should i read some f* manuals for things like that ? |
| 18:27.12 | dhodgkin | ajavid: fot the hell of it |
| 18:27.15 | xeon-enouf | ports? |
| 18:27.18 | ajavid | dhodgkin, portage/ports whatever |
| 18:27.22 | dhodgkin | s/fot/for/g |
| 18:27.23 | abrotman | uwjesd: did you look in the 'System' menu or whatever it is? pretty sure gnome has its own network config utility not related to n-m |
| 18:27.41 | xeon-enouf | fxiny: you're too smart .. for all of us ;-) |
| 18:27.43 | abrotman | uwjesd: and if the machine is in a static location, you could just set it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:27.53 | dhodgkin | how is it dissing apt? |
| 18:28.00 | ajavid | there might be a way to convert some ebuild to a deb rules src for the upstream source |
| 18:28.03 | ajavid | possibly |
| 18:28.20 | xeon-enouf | uwjesd: IF you use n-m, then /etc/netwrk/interfaces is a) either troublesome or b) ineffective or c) worse |
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| 18:28.32 | ajavid | i know alien can convert between .deb and .rpm etc., but not sure about debian source config builds and debian/rules |
| 18:28.38 | dhodgkin | use portage to build a deb |
| 18:28.47 | abrotman | dhodgkin: man apt-build |
| 18:28.50 | xeon-enouf | dhodgkin: checkconfig IF one must |
| 18:29.11 | xeon-enouf | dhodgkin: but, use debian source and debhelper |
| 18:29.22 | xeon-enouf | all the dh_* stuffs |
| 18:29.24 | ajavid | one musn't |
| 18:29.35 | dhodgkin | it was just a thought |
| 18:29.35 | xeon-enouf | !apt-build |
| 18:29.35 | dpkg | apt-build is, like, an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/projects/ . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful. |
| 18:29.52 | xeon-enouf | indeed |
| 18:29.58 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: thank you |
| 18:29.58 | dpkg | my pleasure, xeon-enouf |
| 18:30.02 | dmi3on | how do i configure apt-get i am not sure it uses server |
| 18:30.10 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 18:30.15 | xeon-enouf | !sources.list |
| 18:30.15 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:30.35 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, try some !tells |
| 18:30.44 | ajavid | !tell xeon-enouf -about tell |
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| 18:31.00 | xeon-enouf | why? too many lines? |
| 18:31.04 | xeon-enouf | :-P |
| 18:31.17 | ajavid | just an idea. I don't care myself |
| 18:31.31 | ajavid | some people like to complain about it though. Heads up |
| 18:31.33 | xeon-enouf | you're right .. though |
| 18:31.56 | xeon-enouf | just .. i have to fight "the fast typists!" |
| 18:32.08 | ajavid | seriously, I don't type that fast. |
| 18:32.15 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, talk to me in #debian-chat |
| 18:32.17 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: go away |
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| 18:32.27 | ajavid | gladly. |
| 18:32.29 | xeon-enouf | ok |
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| 18:32.40 | ajavid | only for you babe. |
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| 18:33.09 | racecar56 | when i play a video with xv (default) the video has a yellow tiny but i -KNOW- that is not real, with -vo x11 and so it seems to work |
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| 18:33.20 | abrotman | yellow tint? |
| 18:33.21 | racecar56 | what should i do with xv? |
| 18:33.22 | racecar56 | yes |
| 18:33.26 | racecar56 | it looks yellow |
| 18:33.41 | justin | racecar56: mplayer? |
| 18:33.55 | ajavid | racecar56, only with xv? |
| 18:33.57 | racecar56 | justin: yeah, and anything based on it (e.g. smplayer) |
| 18:34.01 | racecar56 | ajavid: correct |
| 18:34.07 | justin | racecar56: press 5 6 7 8 in mplayer until fixed |
| 18:34.26 | ajavid | racecar56, have you tried adjusting your picture settings in mplayer? |
| 18:34.43 | ajavid | racecar56, do you have video equalizer on by any chance? |
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| 18:34.55 | lafrance | by any chance those anyone have a server with debian lenny with zen and ioncube ? that could paste "pastebib" there php.ini so I can compare with mine please |
| 18:34.56 | ajavid | software video equalizer may sometimes cause it with xv also |
| 18:34.57 | racecar56 | ajatollah: i don't know |
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| 18:35.03 | ajavid | racecar56, wrong guy |
| 18:35.10 | ajavid | racecar56, type <tab> twice please |
| 18:35.20 | racecar56 | ajavid: kk |
| 18:35.26 | ajavid | racecar56, thank you |
| 18:35.28 | racecar56 | ajavid: i do that a lot ._. |
| 18:35.36 | ajavid | racecar56, its not just you. |
| 18:36.20 | racecar56 | ajavid: how do i find out if i do? |
| 18:36.32 | ajavid | racecar56, open preferences, go to video tab, and look. |
| 18:36.44 | ajavid | racecar56, as for mplayer-nogui, I don't know. Try ~/.mplayer/config |
| 18:36.45 | ajavid | ? |
| 18:36.58 | ajavid | racecar56, also try asking in #mplayer maybe they have some input on this |
| 18:37.40 | sajes | How can I remove packages installed by apt-get build-dep automatically? |
| 18:37.45 | ajavid | racecar56, I think in smplayer you can adjust things easily, its a nice gui for mplayer, you can try using that. What happens when you use x11 output? is it ok? just doesn't scale? you can enable zoom=yes in mplayer config to enable software resizing |
| 18:37.47 | abrotman | they'll probably say it's the build, and he should compile from source |
| 18:37.55 | ajavid | abrotman, yeah :( |
| 18:38.25 | ajavid | racecar56, or if you have gl rendering accel in X, you can try the gl(YUV) or gl2 outputs |
| 18:38.42 | racecar56 | ajavid: gl(2) does work, ive tried it |
| 18:38.44 | xeon-enouf | racecar56: try -vo gl, try -vo sdl |
| 18:38.49 | ajavid | racecar56, x11 with zoom=yes and a decent cpu will be fine too. That is you are unable to fix your problem with picture/contrast/quality |
| 18:38.55 | xeon-enouf | see? |
| 18:39.15 | racecar56 | ajavid: yes, my cpu on this comp is quite outdated/old |
| 18:39.20 | xeon-enouf | YUV2 |
| 18:39.25 | racecar56 | ajavid: intel celeron 2.80ghz |
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| 18:40.14 | dmi3on | for ssh i need openssh-server right ? |
| 18:40.17 | xeon-enouf | ~$ glxinfo | grep YUV === 4lines of Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 18:40.19 | abrotman | for sshd, yes |
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| 18:40.39 | xeon-enouf | no wonder -xv isn't working well - heh |
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| 18:40.47 | dmi3on | abrotman, sshd ? |
| 18:40.58 | abrotman | dmi3on: do you want to ssh to or from this machine ? or both ? |
| 18:41.10 | dmi3on | to this machine |
| 18:41.20 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: the daemon (server) part of the client/server pair |
| 18:41.27 | abrotman | dmi3on: yes .. openssh-server |
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| 18:41.51 | dmi3on | abrotamn, if i need both then server and cleint right ? |
| 18:41.58 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: -vo x11 is likelyworst |
| 18:42.19 | xeon-enouf | s/worse/ than all the other options |
| 18:43.09 | dmi3on | how do i find out my public IP on debian through terminal ? |
| 18:43.15 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: usually, when you see a 'd' on the end, that == daemon |
| 18:43.36 | dhodgkin | dmi3on: ifconfig |
| 18:43.43 | dmi3on | xeon-enouf, thanks |
| 18:43.44 | abrotman | dhodgkin: unless he's NATed |
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| 18:44.07 | dhodgkin | abrotman: true true |
| 18:44.14 | grand_grunt | dmi3on: /sbin/ifconfig if you just want to see it (not modifiy) without being root. |
| 18:44.23 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: your router |
| 18:44.24 | omid8bimo | is playing with dpkg debian channel bot !! :)))) |
| 18:44.26 | asg | dmi3on: lynx http://ipchicken.com |
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| 18:45.20 | phlux | Once I've edited menu.lst to my preferences, how do I install the new menu? |
| 18:45.27 | xeon-enouf | dnsstuff.com |
| 18:45.29 | grand_grunt | asg: or else "w3m", lynx is not present by default, but w3m is. |
| 18:45.39 | asg | grand_grunt: or wget and grep |
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| 18:46.31 | phlux | Anyone? |
| 18:46.40 | dmi3on | wow thanks w3n worked |
| 18:46.41 | dmi3on | :) |
| 18:46.47 | asg | phlux: for grub? no |
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| 18:47.01 | phlux | There's gotta be something |
| 18:47.01 | asg | grand_grunt: w3m isn't installed by default on any of my machines |
| 18:47.06 | phlux | I rebooted, and the new menu isn't there. |
| 18:47.45 | fxiny | phlux: is it the right one ? |
| 18:48.04 | phlux | I'm not following that question.. |
| 18:48.09 | phlux | The right "one" what? |
| 18:48.12 | abrotman | phlux: are you sure you're using grub-legacy ? |
| 18:48.14 | dmi3on | how do i exit from w3n ? |
| 18:48.19 | fxiny | how many hd ? |
| 18:48.19 | abrotman | dmi3on: q |
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| 18:48.22 | phlux | abrotman, I'm not sure |
| 18:48.47 | dmi3on | abrotman, thx |
| 18:48.47 | abrotman | phlux: do you have more than one distro installed on the machine? |
| 18:49.29 | phlux | I have Debian and Vista. |
| 18:49.50 | abrotman | phlux: dpkg -l "grub*" .. how many do you see ? |
| 18:49.53 | grand_grunt | Ok, so you have one operating system. |
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| 18:50.17 | fxiny | and a spyware :P |
| 18:50.33 | phlux | There are 7 different ones, abrotman. grub-legacy is there. |
| 18:50.44 | phlux | Heh, I have to use Vista for work. The .mil doesn't support Linux yet. |
| 18:51.27 | adb | which .mil ? |
| 18:51.30 | dkr | some parts of .mil do |
| 18:51.34 | dhodgkin | phlux: how many have ii before them? |
| 18:51.40 | phlux | US Coast Guard |
| 18:51.53 | phlux | dhodgkin, two, grub and grub-common |
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| 18:52.24 | dhodgkin | phlux: that should be all you need |
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| 18:52.49 | phlux | well, I edited /boot/menu.lst, and the changed never took effect. |
| 18:52.55 | dhodgkin | phlux: man grub may help also if you haven't check that out yet. |
| 18:53.08 | phlux | s/changed/changes |
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| 18:53.34 | racecar56|away | no i'm not using an equalizer |
| 18:53.53 | xeon-enouf | phlux: grub-common is used/needed for bothgrub-legacy and grub-* (grub2) |
| 18:54.24 | fxiny | phlux: any /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 18:54.38 | grand_grunt | phlux: You would receive more help on #grub |
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| 18:54.48 | xeon-enouf | phlux: grub-pc, grub-efi, grub-* other then -common and -legacy are grub2 |
| 18:54.56 | xeon-enouf | AFAIK |
| 18:54.57 | phlux | er, yeah, it was /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:55.05 | xeon-enouf | grub1 |
| 18:55.25 | fxiny | i won a sugar doll :P |
| 18:55.33 | phlux | lol |
| 18:55.47 | xeon-enouf | grub2 uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg ; /etc/grub.d/* ; /etc/default/grub |
| 18:55.56 | racecar56 | and i forgot to mention when using anything else than xv i the video (or is it the sound) gets out of sync |
| 18:56.12 | xeon-enouf | try-autosync 30 |
| 18:56.16 | racecar56 | so it's either out of sync or yellow video i have to live with |
| 18:56.16 | xeon-enouf | try -autosync 30 |
| 18:56.45 | dmi3on | i cant find how to eddit ssh config |
| 18:56.47 | dmi3on | file |
| 18:56.48 | xeon-enouf | or even 1, or tryvarious framedrop settings |
| 18:56.49 | dmi3on | were it is |
| 18:56.58 | asg | dmi3on: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 18:57.10 | xeon-enouf | which one, heh |
| 18:57.23 | xeon-enouf | ~/,ssh/config |
| 18:57.31 | dmi3on | xeon-enouf, creats new file |
| 18:57.34 | dmi3on | ok |
| 18:57.57 | xeon-enouf | $ ll ~/.ssh/ |
| 18:57.58 | xeon-enouf | authorized_keys config id_rsa id_rsa.pub known_hosts |
| 18:58.03 | fxiny | dmi3on: creates a new file ? which editor are you using ? |
| 18:58.44 | dmi3on | nano |
| 18:59.20 | asg | dmi3on: you need to use ssh-keygen first to create your public/private keys before that directory will exist |
| 18:59.39 | dmi3on | moment i think i find |
| 18:59.41 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: man ssh[tab][tab] |
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| 19:02.06 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: edit your ~/.bashrc and remove the comments infrontof bash_completion (3 lines) ..also install pkg bash_completion |
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| 19:02.40 | oxi | hi |
| 19:02.47 | dmi3on | how should i use editor as root su -; asking for password then just displays root command line |
| 19:02.51 | oxi | what's the best way to upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze? |
| 19:03.05 | asg | oxi: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 19:03.06 | Titan8990_ | copies his .bashrc from /etc/bash/bashrc in gentoo |
| 19:03.28 | xeon-enouf | sorry dmi3on ; it's bash-completion - programmable completion for the bash shell |
| 19:03.33 | Titan8990_ | dmi3on, that makes you root, then you use w/e editor you prefer to edit the line |
| 19:03.47 | Titan8990_ | dmi3on, nano, vi, and emacs-nox are some examples |
| 19:03.56 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: we have a /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 19:03.58 | oxi | # vi sources.list ... "lenny" -> "squeeze" # apt-get update # apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude # apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 19:04.11 | oxi | asg: thanks! |
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| 19:05.34 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, thats good know because i have been having to put .bashrc in my homedir skel |
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| 19:05.48 | smhar | greetings |
| 19:05.55 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: whichever editor you like as mentioned; but 'sensible-editor' default to whatever "update-alternative --config editor" lists as default |
| 19:06.05 | xeon-enouf | add s' |
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| 19:06.24 | xeon-enouf | add 's' to update-alterantive |
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| 19:06.46 | oxi | squeeze: aptitude VS apt-get -> can anyone give me an ultrashort catch-up summary? |
| 19:06.50 | dbbolton | is there a way i can find out the commands i have entered the most? |
| 19:06.57 | Titan8990_ | !tell oxi about why aptitude |
| 19:06.58 | asg | oxi: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 19:07.26 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: we also have a /etc/shel |
| 19:07.26 | xeon-enouf | er/etc/skel |
| 19:07.26 | Titan8990_ | oxi, check your pm from dpkg |
| 19:07.26 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, i know, thats what i was referring to |
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| 19:07.26 | oxi | Titan8990_: perfect, thank you! |
| 19:07.34 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, typing failure on that last response by me |
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| 19:08.02 | xeon-enouf | dbbolton: history | sort | uniq | wc -l or something |
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| 19:08.31 | smhar | I have a real problem. Since my last apt update that also updated the kernel, I am no longer able to connect using wifi. Although I can detect wireless networks, I can not connect to any of them. It is always in the 'Roaming' mode and it does not change. This is a Toshiba Satellite A215-S4747 notebook running Lenny |
| 19:08.35 | dbbolton | xeon-enouf that printed "16" :/ |
| 19:08.41 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 19:08.54 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, dbbolton, history is not reliable |
| 19:08.58 | xeon-enouf | export HISTFILESIZE=2000 |
| 19:09.21 | Titan8990_ | if you have two shells open and type history in one, you will only see the history for that terminal |
| 19:09.45 | smhar | I am running Ubuntu Live CD on the same notebook and it is connecting with no problem using 'Alternate "madwifi" driver for Atheros wireless LAN cards' |
| 19:09.46 | dbbolton | maybe starting off with cat .zhistory? |
| 19:09.48 | oxi | huh, is that possible: lenny -> squeeze in 1 second? |
| 19:09.53 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: so what |
| 19:10.04 | xeon-enouf | no |
| 19:10.06 | asg | oxi: no |
| 19:10.17 | xeon-enouf | zhistory sucks ass |
| 19:10.20 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, its not going to produce accurate results for this situation |
| 19:10.30 | oxi | asg/xeon-enouf: thanks, then something went wrong, I'll play a little |
| 19:10.31 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: you;re wrong |
| 19:10.36 | xeon-enouf | as usual |
| 19:10.53 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, as usual? i just tested it |
| 19:11.04 | xeon-enouf | i just haven't 'tweaked' the command |
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| 19:11.12 | xeon-enouf | test this |
| 19:11.22 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, ran ifconfig in one terminal and then history in the other, ifconfig does not show in the history |
| 19:11.24 | xeon-enouf | tested what? |
| 19:11.44 | xeon-enouf | you typer fasterthan ajavid ! |
| 19:11.58 | amphi | ajavid: do what? |
| 19:12.02 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: and it shouldn't |
| 19:12.11 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, so i always have two terminals open... say one for launching gui apps and other for CLI options, your not going to get an accurate count |
| 19:12.25 | xeon-enouf | shells are their own processes and PPIDs |
| 19:12.48 | smhar | oops.. It is actually running without the 'Alternate "madwifi" driver for Atheros wireless LAN cards |
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| 19:12.50 | xeon-enouf | i have 5000 open at any given time |
| 19:12.52 | xeon-enouf | and? |
| 19:13.00 | oxi | there's no volatile repo for Squeeze yet, right? |
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| 19:13.10 | abrotman | oxi: wouldn't make much sense |
| 19:13.19 | oxi | abrotman: ok |
| 19:13.28 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: heh |
| 19:13.30 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 19:13.38 | xeon-enouf | sorry -- meant amphi |
| 19:13.38 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, maybe i don't understand the goal... i thought it was to report the most used command |
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| 19:14.15 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: "most used command" is tied exlicitly to which shell |
| 19:14.33 | xeon-enouf | or better, TTY/VT/Console |
| 19:14.58 | xeon-enouf | from which shells are launched |
| 19:14.58 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, if the goal WAS tied to the shell, then i would agree |
| 19:15.03 | Titan8990_ | i didn't undertand it as that |
| 19:15.24 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: well, too bad - i do |
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| 19:15.51 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, because the problem is not possible to solve otherwise? |
| 19:16.01 | asg | xeon-enouf: stop being a prick, your solution was utterly wrong anyway |
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| 19:16.12 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: *everything* is tied to the shell from which it is launched |
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| 19:16.37 | Titan8990_ | right... but history only accounts for a single shell |
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| 19:17.01 | xeon-enouf | asg: thanks - and if you say so - i'll concede .. my bad .. i'm not *trying* tobe a "prick" but i guess my hardon is getting in the way |
| 19:17.19 | Dunge | Anyone know if there's an utility to format a filesystem as YAFFS2 (which seems to be a good type for sdcard)? I can't find any mkfs.yaffs2 or anything in apt-get. |
| 19:17.25 | hans | is there any way to store and transmit svn only encrypted? |
| 19:18.03 | asg | hans: use ssh to transport it and a crypto layered filesystem to store it. |
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| 19:18.42 | Titan8990_ | can't you use apache to host svn via TLS only? |
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| 19:18.56 | Titan8990_ | oh, stored too |
| 19:19.02 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: didn't mean to be overwhelming and somewhat belligerent, but sometimes, i can't help my one-track mind |
| 19:19.21 | asg | hans: look at http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ for svn docs on transport |
| 19:19.28 | hans | asg: but a crypto-layerd fs is decrypted at runtime, isn't it? |
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| 19:19.39 | xeon-enouf | asg: my solution wasn't wrong, just needed some adjustment |
| 19:19.52 | hans | asg: is there a way to en/decrypt on client? |
| 19:20.02 | dmi3on | what shoudl i do with ssh_host_rsa/dsa_key ? |
| 19:20.40 | xeon-enouf | discard it - use RSA only ;-) |
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| 19:20.50 | oeil-de-nuit | Wooo ' ve never been on a chan with about a thousand folks before o_O |
| 19:21.07 | xeon-enouf | !greet oeil-de-nuit |
| 19:21.07 | dpkg | Bonjour, oeil-de-nuit |
| 19:21.15 | asg | hans: ecryptfs could be used. There are options to limit access to the filesystem to only the user that mounts it. |
| 19:21.51 | oeil-de-nuit | hi ;- |
| 19:22.02 | hans | asg: i only do have a vServer. would my data be secure with that option? |
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| 19:24.56 | dmi3on | xeon-enouf, i cant find command to generate key |
| 19:24.58 | asg | hans: hard to say, it's possible your hosting provider could have tweaked the ecryptfs code to ship a copy to non-encrypted storage ... depends on if you trust them. |
| 19:25.14 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: ssh-keygen |
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| 19:25.21 | Titan8990_ | dmi3on, if you are trying to do public key auth, the official docs are nice |
| 19:25.44 | oeil-de-nuit | sorry to disrupt the conversation, #php seems to be crowed currently, so I can only ask here: I'm running a Debian5, and PHP seems to have been configured with a ./configure flag (--with-config-file-scan-dir), which I can't find a way to override. |
| 19:25.47 | dmi3on | ok |
| 19:25.49 | dmi3on | thanks |
| 19:26.15 | xeon-enouf | dmi3on: basically; ssh-keygen -t rsa .. |
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| 19:26.56 | Titan8990_ | oeil-de-nuit, we would typically only support the debian package of php |
| 19:27.07 | oeil-de-nuit | I looked at the source code and found 2 environment variables: PHP_CONFIG_FILE_SCAN_DIR & PHP_INI_SCAN_DIR but neither works. |
| 19:27.07 | hans | asg: what if a third person has acces to the server? can he read the files? |
| 19:27.24 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.37 | ranix | xeon-enouf: there's no carbon in them? |
| 19:27.45 | abrotman | oeil-de-nuit: do you know which documentation page takls about this optoin? |
| 19:27.47 | Titan8990_ | oeil-de-nuit, what is the goal? |
| 19:27.56 | asg | hans: only if that person has the passphrase or was able to install a keylogger to read it when you typed it in. |
| 19:28.01 | xeon-enouf | ranix: where's the beef!? |
| 19:28.17 | ranix | xeon-enouf: in square patties |
| 19:28.31 | oeil-de-nuit | Titan8990, ;-] indeed |
| 19:28.32 | ranix | xeon-enouf: from genetically engineered cows that can no longer feel pain |
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| 19:28.51 | oeil-de-nuit | abrotman, I found nothing about the env. var. in the documentation |
| 19:29.04 | oeil-de-nuit | no much more on the web. |
| 19:29.04 | asg | hans: if you are that worried about security, I think you are probably better hosting your own server. |
| 19:29.45 | ranix | hans: if your data is on a machine I own, good luck keeping it from me |
| 19:29.48 | dmi3on | i am not sure how to generate key |
| 19:29.54 | ranix | hans: this is the reason DRM doesn't work |
| 19:30.05 | ranix | hans: run your own webserver for reals man |
| 19:30.08 | oeil-de-nuit | Titan8990, I'm just setting up a custom apache server for my development purposes |
| 19:30.34 | dmi3on | xeon-enouf, tryed to ssh-keygen then enter ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 19:30.41 | dmi3on | still get same error |
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| 19:30.53 | asg | dmi3on: what error? |
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| 19:30.55 | dmi3on | could not find host key |
| 19:31.01 | dmi3on | Load* |
| 19:31.05 | oeil-de-nuit | so I took my nice debian config /etc/apache2 and /etc/php5, and I'm modifying these to fit my particular needs.. |
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| 19:31.31 | hans | ranix: hmm... vserver is much cheaper. I am only student, but i do not want anyone seeing my docs, pics, CV, etc. |
| 19:31.44 | hans | ranix: own server costs to much |
| 19:32.12 | oeil-de-nuit | Everything would work fine if it wasn't about the fact that my system php5 config (/etc/php5/conf.d/*) weren't loaded at all. |
| 19:32.32 | ranix | hans: you're running a webserver and you don't want anybody seeing your documents and pictures? |
| 19:32.42 | ranix | does not compute |
| 19:32.43 | hans | asg: which program was for the layerd-fs? encryptfs? |
| 19:32.56 | hans | asg: does that work with subversion? |
| 19:33.06 | Titan8990_ | ranix, webdav :) |
| 19:33.14 | asg | hans: ecryptfs (sits on top of any filesystem) It has limitations but should be reasonable for your needs. |
| 19:33.20 | oeil-de-nuit | join #php |
| 19:33.24 | oeil-de-nuit | -_- |
| 19:33.55 | asg | hans: or encfs (package name) |
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| 19:34.31 | hans | asg: i once used encfs. |
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| 19:35.07 | hans | asg: i needet to enter my password on a bash-prompt. how do i enter password if i commit svn-changes? |
| 19:36.35 | asg | hans: you mount it once as your user and, presuming you've set things up right, only that user can read that mounted sudo-filesystem. |
| 19:38.05 | hans | asg: file-content during transmission (transmission is secured via ssl, could also do via ssh) is not visible on the server when it arrives? |
| 19:38.15 | hans | okay, this might be paranoid... |
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| 19:38.41 | hans | what about the ram? are the files encrypted in ram? |
| 19:38.54 | asg | hans: at some point, it will be in decrypted form in kernel memory so anyone with access to /dev/mem could potentially get access |
| 19:40.04 | dmi3on | can some on help with ssh rsa keys please |
| 19:40.08 | asg | hans: given your level of paranoia, I'd just keep your stuff on an encrypted usb stick / sd card with a horrific passphrase and use gpg to send stuff to people if they need it. |
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| 19:40.27 | wildc4rd_ | evening all |
| 19:40.58 | Titan8990_ | dmi3on, you have asked a lot of questions here to today which can easily be found via google.... what question do you have now? |
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| 19:41.42 | smhar | greetings |
| 19:41.43 | hans | hacking is an up to date topic, guys! i fear hackers, really. not so much as politicians, but likely ;P |
| 19:42.14 | asg | hans: it is but you have to weight the risk of your personal exposure versus other potential targets. |
| 19:42.17 | ranix | hans: wear a tinfoil hat |
| 19:42.33 | ranix | !tinfoil hat |
| 19:42.33 | dpkg | hat: If you really are going to be that vague, you should take off your tinfoil hat so that we could read your mind. |
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| 19:42.41 | ranix | hat? |
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| 19:43.04 | hans | ranix: only a hat? i do have an appartment with lead in the walls XD |
| 19:43.06 | asg | ranix: tinfoil $1 <action> ... |
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| 19:43.18 | ranix | asg: I realized it after getting confused |
| 19:43.34 | asg | hans: the question is 'do you have enough lead' in those walls |
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| 19:44.41 | smhar | I have collected some information about my system to help identifying and solving the 'Roaming Mode Enabled' problem with my wifi. Please find the info here: http://paste.debian.net/45724/ |
| 19:44.56 | hans | asg: the environmental authority starts to ask difficult questions.... |
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| 19:45.40 | asg | hans: they do indeed, elevating your status as a 'person of interest' |
| 19:46.54 | hans | guys, have a nice evening - or whatever it is in your timezone... cu |
| 19:46.56 | asg | hans: I've got to go, but good luck. |
| 19:47.04 | hans | ^^ |
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| 19:47.45 | smhar | how to 'really' disable this 'Roaming Mode Enabled' thing? |
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| 19:51.34 | miranda_ | anyone knows when I have on one shell : nc -l -p 9988 and then on a second one i do: echo "hello" | nc localhost 9988 it does not go back to the prompt on the second shell ? |
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| 19:53.11 | \amethyst | miranda_: because the second nc is not closing the connection |
| 19:54.01 | miranda_ | \amethyst, would that not end the first nc, on the first shell? |
| 19:54.16 | \amethyst | miranda_: it would cause neither nc to exit |
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| 19:54.32 | linuxn00b | I have the patch-2.6.27 and i am root in /usr/src, when I do patch -p1 < patch-2.6.27 it asks me File to patch:, what do I type? |
| 19:54.40 | \amethyst | miranda_: the listener isn't going to exit until the client closes the network connection, and by default the client won't close the network connection itself |
| 19:55.01 | miranda_ | \amethyst, how would I just type hello then, and go back to prompt? |
| 19:55.08 | miranda_ | is it even possible? |
| 19:55.12 | \amethyst | miranda_: you can use echo hello | nc -q 0 localhost 9988 to tell the client to close the connection after it receives EOF from stdin |
| 19:55.24 | \amethyst | miranda_: but then it might miss the server's response if there is one |
| 19:55.48 | miranda_ | \amethyst, that actually closes the server |
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| 19:56.37 | \amethyst | miranda_: yes, that shuts down the connection from the client end, which causes the server to exit as well |
| 19:56.42 | miranda_ | damn |
| 19:56.57 | \amethyst | isn't that what you wanted? |
| 19:57.09 | miranda_ | \amethyst, i want the first one to keep listening |
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| 19:58.03 | \amethyst | miranda_: but the connection was closed |
| 19:58.08 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.16 | smhar | someone please give me a way to solve this problem, it has been months now without without a solution |
| 19:58.20 | miranda_ | thx adb, good idea |
| 19:58.22 | \amethyst | miranda_: perhaps you want inetd and not netcat, if you want to launch a listener for each incoming connection |
| 19:58.36 | miranda_ | man inted |
| 19:58.58 | \amethyst | miranda_: also man inetd.conf |
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| 19:59.13 | debianooo | Hi! |
| 19:59.17 | \amethyst | (depending on which inetd you use they might be the same manpage, or might not be) |
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| 19:59.49 | koffee | why do i see ufw block in the log on a port I have open, for an app that seems to work fine with that port? |
| 20:00.02 | debianooo | I need help, I already installed my wireless card driver, and then I did iwlist scan to search, said wlan0 network is down, I did iwconfig wlan0 up, and worked, then I wrote the iwconfig essid and key and sent dhclient wlan0, but isn't like finding the ip, says sleeping... |
| 20:00.07 | debianooo | any ideeeas pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease? |
| 20:00.25 | miranda_ | \amethyst, i wanna have like a one way only chat, like client is able to put on server, just a line at a time |
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| 20:01.08 | justin | debianooo: what does iwconfig wlan0 say? |
| 20:01.26 | debianooo | justin: the info, the essid is set and the key, but isn't associated |
| 20:01.31 | Titan8990_ | debianooo, was key in key form or ascii? |
| 20:01.42 | justin | debianooo: if it's not associated than dhclient will never work |
| 20:01.46 | \amethyst | miranda_: the important part is that you want the server to listen for multiple incoming connections, meaning netcat -l probably isn't what you need |
| 20:01.46 | debianooo | the key is 1234567890 :) |
| 20:01.57 | debianooo | justin: how do I associate it? |
| 20:02.01 | \amethyst | miranda_: netcat -l listens for a *single* connection |
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| 20:02.10 | miranda_ | \amethyst, understood, excellent |
| 20:02.12 | Titan8990_ | debianooo, that would indicate 64bit wep.... |
| 20:02.13 | justin | debianooo: configure it properly with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:02.15 | tridolet | hello |
| 20:02.17 | tridolet | How do I start a program at startup ? |
| 20:02.27 | justin | tridolet: what is 'a program' ? |
| 20:02.29 | \amethyst | miranda_: you could run it in a loop, but then if someone tries connecting while one connection is open, they'll get connection refused |
| 20:02.30 | Titan8990_ | tridolet, at boot or at login? |
| 20:02.30 | debianooo | justin: then |
| 20:02.33 | abrotman | !tell tridolet about run at startup |
| 20:02.40 | tridolet | boot, autostart |
| 20:03.00 | \amethyst | miranda_: inetd will launch a specified program for each incoming connection on a given port, with the socket on stdin/stdout |
| 20:03.00 | Titan8990_ | tridolet, write an init script and use update-rc.d |
| 20:03.09 | Titan8990_ | tridolet, /etc/init.d/skel is there to help |
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| 20:03.25 | NekawA | maybe someone can help, i'm trying to remove some packages that 'apt-get build-dep' installed ( http://pastebin.com/m30e212c0 <=- these packages ), |
| 20:03.43 | NekawA | when i try to remove these packages it wants to also remove my kernel, dbus, lots of things I need, why is it doing this? |
| 20:04.01 | miranda_ | \amethyst, i have tried running it in a loop, but had not luck, as it looks like it never gets out of the loop |
| 20:04.02 | abrotman | NekawA: show the actual command you're using |
| 20:04.24 | debianooo | justin: done, now? |
| 20:04.30 | justin | debianooo: ifup wlan0 |
| 20:04.38 | debianooo | and now? |
| 20:04.45 | justin | debianooo: use your wireless connection |
| 20:04.54 | tridolet | thank you all |
| 20:05.02 | debianooo | justin: you are awesome |
| 20:05.02 | debianooo | !! |
| 20:05.02 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 20:05.02 | debianooo | thanks!!! |
| 20:05.03 | debianooo | brb in debian |
| 20:05.33 | miranda_ | \amethyst, u referring to the server or the client in a loop? |
| 20:05.37 | NekawA | abrotman, "apt-get remove" |
| 20:05.41 | sajes | I can't figure out how to remove things installed by build-dep either. |
| 20:05.43 | abrotman | of what?! |
| 20:06.07 | NekawA | just that then those packages in the pastebin it's too long to paste |
| 20:06.13 | \amethyst | miranda_: the server... but I was saying that it wouldn't work well anyway, because you'll get "connection refused" if someone else is currently connected |
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| 20:06.31 | NekawA | trying to remove some build-dep installed packages there's like 100 of 'em i didn't want to paste all that ( apt-get remove http://pastebin.com/m30e212c0 ) |
| 20:06.48 | miranda_ | \amethyst, while [ 1 ]; do nc -l -p 9988 ; done works |
| 20:07.00 | abrotman | NekawA: the *full* command and the full output |
| 20:07.02 | unitypunk__ | paistbin |
| 20:07.04 | unitypunk__ | ftw |
| 20:07.45 | \amethyst | NekawA: if the command you ran was "apt-get remove <the list you pastebinned>" then it's no wonder it's trying to remove dbus---you told it to |
| 20:08.16 | \amethyst | miranda_: not if you try to make two connections at the same time |
| 20:08.38 | unitypunk__ | doh |
| 20:08.52 | miranda_ | \amethyst, inetd then is your suggested path |
| 20:08.53 | miranda_ | ? |
| 20:09.04 | unitypunk__ | debian only does what you tell it to... atleast as far as ive seen. |
| 20:09.10 | \amethyst | miranda_: or writing a server in a real language like python, perl, C, ... |
| 20:09.24 | \amethyst | miranda_: that does listen(), accept(), and fork() |
| 20:09.45 | miranda_ | \amethyst, thank you so much for your help, will give that path a try |
| 20:09.54 | \amethyst | miranda_: probably the inetd way will be easiest, since you don't have to write any networking code, just read from stdin and write to stdout |
| 20:10.08 | koffee | any ufw help? re: logging a block for an open port |
| 20:10.20 | miranda_ | \amethyst, my "architecture" idea, is just every station broadcasting on one port |
| 20:10.34 | miranda_ | so no server is necessary |
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| 20:10.46 | abrotman | koffee: any what? |
| 20:10.56 | NekawA | oh shoot your right, dang i guess those packages came up in the list of build-dep |
| 20:11.12 | \amethyst | NekawA: the kernel is being removed because you're removing initramfs-tools |
| 20:11.16 | NekawA | I can't find an easy way to remove all these packages i'm not using anymore after building some source code |
| 20:11.17 | koffee | i get a ufw block in the log for a port that i have opened for an app that is working fine using that port |
| 20:11.24 | Ironhand | I have 2 packages that are "in a very bad inconsistent state" that I want to remove, apt-get/aptitude suggest reinstalling them before removing, yet this fails too |
| 20:11.30 | justin | NekawA: grep /var/log/dpkg.log for the time you ran apt-get build-dep |
| 20:11.32 | Ironhand | how can I force a package to be removed despite this? |
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| 20:11.48 | abrotman | Ironhand: why can't you reinstall them? |
| 20:11.51 | \amethyst | NekawA: apt-get autoremove though that might remove more than you want |
| 20:11.57 | NekawA | did apt-get build-dep pidgin persay, it installed tons of things |
| 20:12.01 | NekawA | yea i've done autoremove already |
| 20:12.18 | \amethyst | oh, does build-dep mark them as manually installed? |
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| 20:12.40 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 20:14.16 | Ironhand | abrotman: apt-get install --reinstall of the packages in question fails |
| 20:14.24 | abrotman | yes .. why? |
| 20:14.45 | NekawA | not sure how build-dep marks them the logs say that they're installed |
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| 20:15.26 | Ironhand | abrotman: in the case of the package 'dwm', the error is '/usr/share/icons/dwm.png is not a directory' |
| 20:15.39 | lafrance | if I remember right for upgrading from etch to lenny it eitid repo.d with lenny distro then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
| 20:15.48 | Ironhand | abrotman: I could manually delete the file but would rather not risk breaking things that are already looking dodgy further |
| 20:16.09 | abrotman | Ironhand: you can force the non-reinst |
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| 20:16.40 | pickcoder | lafrance: what is repo.d? |
| 20:16.42 | NekawA | so are u telling me to only easy way is to go through dpkg.logs and find every package that build-dep installed that sounds like a pain i'd rather go back to debfoster and just keep removing what i know is okay to remove |
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| 20:17.23 | NekawA | I ended up almost removing the kernel because on another maching i did 'apt-get build-dep pidgin' then pasted the packages it wanted to install, into my current client, and did apt-get remove <THOSE PACKAGES> luckily i noticed it removing my xen kernel and dbus and hal and what not |
| 20:17.27 | miranda_ | \amethyst, while [ 1 ];do read TEXT; echo $TEXT | nc localhost 9988 ;done; seems to be stuck |
| 20:17.36 | Ironhand | abrotman: how would I do that? |
| 20:17.50 | pickcoder | miranda_: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:18.00 | abrotman | Ironhand: man dpkg |
| 20:18.05 | miranda_ | pickcoder, a loop that would send via netcast a line |
| 20:18.10 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.12 | lafrance | pickcoder, the file with sources file |
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| 20:18.21 | lafrance | list* |
| 20:18.27 | pickcoder | miranda_: and inetd isn't sufficient to call a script that will do that? |
| 20:18.40 | pickcoder | you're building a house out out twigs here |
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| 20:18.56 | Ironhand | abrotman: ah, thanks, hadn't thought to actually look at dpkg rather than apt-get for this |
| 20:19.31 | pickcoder | lafrance: the sources are in /etc/apt/ in Debian |
| 20:19.36 | pickcoder | you must not be on Debian |
| 20:19.53 | abrotman | there is /etc/apt/sources.d/ also |
| 20:20.04 | pickcoder | sources.list.d |
| 20:20.06 | lafrance | no centos and installing debian on web server now but only option is etch |
| 20:20.11 | pickcoder | which is not repo.d |
| 20:20.26 | lafrance | ah ok |
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| 20:21.08 | pickcoder | lafrance: if you're trying to do that on a VPS, I wouldn't muck with a dist upgrade |
| 20:21.15 | pickcoder | you can royally screw up the VPS if it doesn't go well |
| 20:21.18 | lafrance | root server |
| 20:21.41 | pickcoder | you're better off booting the install CD for Lenny |
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| 20:22.04 | lafrance | cant root server aprox. 4000 miles away |
| 20:22.11 | miranda_ | pickcoder, is it not easier just having nc listening on one port in a loop? and have people just write on that port? |
| 20:22.17 | n-iCe | hi! |
| 20:22.18 | pickcoder | so call and bitch about your install image selections |
| 20:22.19 | pickcoder | :) |
| 20:22.29 | pickcoder | Etch isn't going to have security update for much longer |
| 20:22.33 | pickcoder | time to upgrade |
| 20:22.48 | lafrance | that what I am trying to do upgrade to lenny from it |
| 20:23.21 | pickcoder | miranda_: netcat is not a socket service.. it is a command line tool |
| 20:23.24 | pickcoder | use inetd |
| 20:24.21 | miranda_ | not wanna be picky.. |
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| 20:26.03 | miranda_ | but i really dont see why it is such a wrong choice |
| 20:26.06 | pickcoder | lafrance: if you have the space you may be able debootstrap a new install on the existing machine and boot into it |
| 20:26.18 | pickcoder | I have no idea how to do that, but it's been discussed on the web and in here |
| 20:26.45 | pickcoder | miranda_: we wouldn't be having this conversation if you'd just written a std i/o app and used inetd |
| 20:26.56 | pickcoder | is that a good enough reason for it to be a wrong choice |
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| 20:27.09 | lafrance | well I heard if you edit your sources.list to lenny distro then do apt-get update %% apt-get upgrade should work ? |
| 20:27.14 | miranda_ | pickcoder, :) ok, understood, just wondering, |
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| 20:27.37 | pickcoder | !tell lafrance about etch->lenny |
| 20:27.48 | lafrance | thank you |
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| 20:33.28 | brsoft | please help I run a dedicated and im down cos of this! |
| 20:33.37 | NekawA | that was my issue brsoft that's why i'm removing all this |
| 20:34.36 | bzrk_ | brsoft: ext3 with 5% spave reserved for root? |
| 20:34.42 | bzrk_ | space* |
| 20:34.56 | Ironhand | I'm trying to get rid of 2 packages that failed to install, fail to remove, and fail to reinstall, anyone have any suggestions what I could try? |
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| 20:35.13 | SRabbelier | Gah, my Davolink DV-201AMR router will not let my computers that are connected wireless talk to my wired ones, any workarounds? |
| 20:35.16 | _KaszpiR_ | kill yourself! |
| 20:35.39 | _KaszpiR_ | Ironhand tried --force? |
| 20:35.42 | brsoft | overflow 1.0M 4.0K 1020K 1% /tmp |
| 20:35.51 | brsoft | why do I have this? |
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| 20:36.17 | Ironhand | _KaszpiR_: yes, no help |
| 20:36.29 | Ironhand | package remains in a broken state |
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| 20:37.17 | LtL | Ironhand: do you have a GUI? in synaptic use 'fix broken packages.' |
| 20:37.30 | Ironhand | LtL: ok, I'll try that |
| 20:37.34 | bzrk_ | brsoft: cause you have no more tmp space on harddisk |
| 20:37.40 | _KaszpiR_ | or examine in aptitude |
| 20:37.46 | paneo | Hello people. |
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| 20:38.23 | paneo | I have a problem when I want to work in internet. |
| 20:38.51 | Ironhand | LtL: unfortunately, I don't have synaptic installed at the moment, and trying to install it leads to aptitude quitting complaining about the broken package in question |
| 20:38.54 | paneo | I can connect me to internet, but the connection is very slow. |
| 20:39.03 | koffee | brsoft: silly question, but have you tried deleting some stuff to free space? |
| 20:39.10 | brsoft | bzrk_: im deleting things and still without disk space. how can I have this solved? |
| 20:39.26 | paneo | My computer is an Optiplex GX150 |
| 20:39.36 | brsoft | and after removing I keep with 0 avail |
| 20:39.38 | paneo | (DELL) |
| 20:39.41 | bzrk_ | brsoft: check what is filling up your space and stop it from doing it |
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| 20:39.44 | LtL | Ironhand: man aptitude, use 'examine' as _KaszpiR_ suggested. |
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| 20:40.20 | NekawA | what's a good http:// US repository i'm having issues with the ftp:// one |
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| 20:41.09 | pickcoder | http://ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 20:41.17 | paneo | The motherboard have a 3Com 905c ethernet controller |
| 20:41.48 | bzrk_ | brsoft: try something like du -sm /* if you dont know where the space goes |
| 20:41.59 | koffee | brsoft: either you're not really deleting or something is filling it up just as fast. might want to du to figure out where most of the stuff is |
| 20:42.05 | NekawA | tx |
| 20:42.36 | Ironhand | _KaszpiR_: oops, missed your last line there, ty LtL for pointing it out... unfortunately I can't find any 'examine' option in aptitude, not does the manpage contain the string 'examine' |
| 20:42.49 | _KaszpiR_ | geez, not knowing where your 230 gb gone? XD |
| 20:43.20 | _KaszpiR_ | aptitude, select broken package and there you will get options, one of it is examine |
| 20:43.25 | _KaszpiR_ | afair |
| 20:43.27 | pickcoder | brsoft: 'aptitude clean' will delete old package downloads |
| 20:43.37 | n-iCe | I installed linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 is there any modules package as well? |
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| 20:43.46 | pickcoder | check your logs for ancient gzips |
| 20:43.56 | pickcoder | also check to see if you rotated logs are even being compressed |
| 20:44.02 | Titan8990_ | n-iCe, yes, install them as needed |
| 20:44.22 | n-iCe | couldn't find the package |
| 20:44.26 | peterrooney | pickcoder: is there an aptitude option to only clean out old versions of packages ? |
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| 20:44.37 | Titan8990_ | n-iCe, which one are you looking for? |
| 20:44.49 | n-iCe | well the modules |
| 20:44.51 | n-iCe | for the system |
| 20:44.58 | Titan8990_ | n-iCe, installing all modules doesn't make sense.... why install say, madwifi module if you don't have wifi? |
| 20:45.02 | pickcoder | brsoft: also, kernels take up a lot of space due to modules for each version so only keep a spare "known good" kernel in addition to your current one |
| 20:45.03 | ajavid | n-iCe, ! |
| 20:45.06 | Titan8990_ | n-iCe, your confused |
| 20:45.13 | n-iCe | I have wifi |
| 20:45.32 | adb | so , what is missing ? |
| 20:45.41 | Titan8990_ | n-iCe, it was an example... |
| 20:45.45 | peterrooney | n-iCe: do you have Token Ring, and ATM, and MIDI converters? |
| 20:45.53 | n-iCe | ah? |
| 20:46.15 | brsoft | /var/spool 171Gspool |
| 20:46.21 | brsoft | 171 GB there |
| 20:46.38 | Ironhand | _KaszpiR_: found the examine option, but it's greyed out, and hitting "e" just gives me a system beep... note that the package isn't formally set to "broken", just H (half-installed) |
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| 20:46.47 | peterrooney | n-iCe: you don't load modules for equipment you don't have or expect to hotplug into the system. it's just lost memory. |
| 20:46.48 | Titan8990_ | only losers don't have 802.5 implemented at their house |
| 20:46.55 | brsoft | its postfix |
| 20:46.56 | NekawA | i believe your looking for the headers , then u can install modules as needed linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:47.01 | pickcoder | peterrooney: --purge-unused? |
| 20:47.07 | n-iCe | peterrooney: Install your kernel headers and sources, as well as all packages required for building kernel modules. |
| 20:47.10 | n-iCe | that's what I need |
| 20:47.21 | brsoft | 159G/var/spool/postfix/ |
| 20:47.25 | brsoft | I just delete it? |
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| 20:47.29 | pickcoder | brsoft: no |
| 20:47.31 | peterrooney | brsoft: NO! |
| 20:47.34 | pickcoder | brsoft: find out where they are |
| 20:47.38 | pickcoder | deferred, active, etc |
| 20:47.42 | Titan8990_ | n-iCe, aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` build-essential |
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| 20:47.51 | brsoft | im doing postsuper -d ALL |
| 20:47.57 | brsoft | but will take years to end |
| 20:47.58 | Titan8990_ | n-iCe, headers contains source code, not modules |
| 20:47.59 | n-iCe | Titan8990_: thanks! |
| 20:48.04 | Titan8990_ | n-iCe, np |
| 20:48.09 | peterrooney | brsoft: du -sh /var/spool/postfix | sort -n | grep M (or perhaps grep G, in this case!) |
| 20:48.17 | n-iCe | was headers I forgot |
| 20:48.39 | peterrooney | brsoft: sorry, meant /var/spool/postfix/* |
| 20:48.44 | Titan8990_ | n-iCe, if you were to have installed a modules via aptitude, i think it pulls headers in as a dependency |
| 20:49.08 | bzrk_ | brsoft: start thinking about how this could have happened. is your mailserver an open realy, and you are being used to send spam maybe? |
| 20:49.19 | brsoft | 144G/var/spool/postfix/maildrop/ |
| 20:49.22 | _KaszpiR_ | Ironhand then try forcing reinstall or prune |
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| 20:49.47 | pickcoder | brsoft: your mail services are not configured properly |
| 20:49.52 | _KaszpiR_ | lol |
| 20:49.56 | brsoft | must I delete it or wait for postsuper do clean all? |
| 20:50.04 | dec3pti0n | is there a way to tell apt to just show me pkg available on a certain repo ? |
| 20:50.15 | bzrk_ | brsoft: /etc/init.d/postfix stop first |
| 20:50.25 | pickcoder | brsoft: if you don't use net mail then remove postfix and install nullmailer |
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| 20:50.43 | lafrance | pickcoder, now I am on upgrade and it ask me for Policy to handle keymaps |
| 20:50.50 | lafrance | 3 choice? |
| 20:50.52 | bzrk_ | keep it |
| 20:51.00 | Ironhand | _KaszpiR_: any attempts at reinstalling (including dpkg --force-all) failed, how do I prune? |
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| 20:51.16 | pickcoder | lafrance: don't touch keymap |
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| 20:51.25 | lafrance | thank you |
| 20:51.32 | pickcoder | there is no reason to modify anything from the existing packages |
| 20:51.39 | lafrance | ok |
| 20:51.42 | pickcoder | unless you need to modify locales |
| 20:52.05 | lafrance | dont think so not with my dementia need to be simplle |
| 20:52.10 | lafrance | simple* |
| 20:52.29 | brsoft | so if I understood. first stop postfix and then remove 144 G /var/spool/postfix/maildrop/ there and Ill be safe? |
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| 20:52.54 | smhar | greetings |
| 20:52.57 | bzrk_ | brsoft: checking what happened is the step after |
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| 20:53.40 | pickcoder | brsoft: if postfix is not running you should be able to clean the maildrop dir |
| 20:53.54 | smhar | I have previously installed apt-proxy and I an not using it right now and I can not connect to the net without it. how to temporarily disable it though command line |
| 20:53.54 | pickcoder | just don't remove the directory |
| 20:54.23 | smhar | I have previously installed apt-proxy and I an not using it right now and I can not connect to the net without it. how to temporarily disable it though command line |
| 20:54.40 | bzrk_ | smhar: use a different repository through sources.list? |
| 20:55.06 | smhar | I remember using a command line set proxy off or something before |
| 20:55.36 | bzrk_ | hmmm i only know about editing the sources.list |
| 20:55.40 | lafrance | pickcoder, can i pm you for additional questions ? |
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| 20:57.13 | pickcoder | lafrance: no I'm getting ready to leave work |
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| 20:57.23 | pickcoder | others here can help, just ask in the channel |
| 20:57.23 | peterrooney | lafrance: can you please keep it in channel so others may learn how this can be solved? |
| 20:57.29 | lafrance | ok have a safe day thank you for your help |
| 20:57.58 | lafrance | sure can be lots of n00b question as memory failling here |
| 20:58.16 | peterrooney | lafrance: if you can interrupt your upgrade, run dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:58.49 | peterrooney | it lets you choose the level of detail you get asked about when installing packages. |
| 20:58.56 | Ironhand | _KaszpiR_: got it sorted, but it took a 'vim /var/lib/dpkg/status' ... |
| 20:59.06 | lafrance | oh i see |
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| 21:00.54 | paneo | Can somebody help me? |
| 21:01.08 | peterrooney | lafrance: some questions can not reasonably have a default answer; some questions cannot have a default answer that will please the majority of users of that package, some questions can have sane and popular defaults, some questions are just fine-tuning. |
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| 21:01.45 | Ironhand | paneo: your original question didn't exactly sound Debian specific, which is probably why no one answered... |
| 21:01.46 | lafrance | ok |
| 21:02.12 | lafrance | been playing with deb on this computer for 2 weeks so this help a bit |
| 21:02.32 | peterrooney | lafrance: what OS did you arrive from? |
| 21:02.43 | lafrance | window |
| 21:03.03 | paneo | Ironhand: What? Please read the question |
| 21:03.09 | lafrance | but as debian is the flavor for server ircd though be good to learn it |
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| 21:03.59 | peterrooney | lafrance: welcome to a slightly more consistent world. |
| 21:04.04 | Ironhand | paneo: unless I missed something you only said that your internet is very slow and you listed your system stats |
| 21:04.07 | lafrance | peterrooney, server though was running centos 5.3 |
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| 21:06.08 | paneo | Ironhand: Ok, I'm new in Debian. The problem is that I have installed Debian but when I'm connected to internet, the connection is very slow. I have tried "ping google.com" and the response delay +500ms. |
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| 21:06.27 | dbbolton | why do i keep getting these mails sent to my normal user account: http://dbbolton.pastebin.com/d2ee118c3 |
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| 21:07.14 | _KaszpiR_ | dbatbold check scripts in /etc/cron.hourly |
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| 21:07.40 | \amethyst | dbbolton: did you create a crontab for root or something? |
| 21:07.51 | \amethyst | dbbolton: that looks like /etc/crontab was used as root' |
| 21:07.52 | Ironhand | paneo: what is your local network setup like? is your PC connected directly to some kind of broadband modem? |
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| 21:08.06 | \amethyst | dbbolton: that looks like /etc/crontab was used as root's user crontab, which won't work because of the extra "user" column in /etc/crontab |
| 21:08.07 | dbbolton | _KaszpiR_ that dir is empty |
| 21:08.08 | _KaszpiR_ | looks more like misconfigured crontab script or crontab entry |
| 21:08.27 | dbbolton | \amethyst i've never edited any crontab |
| 21:08.41 | \amethyst | dbbolton: as root, does crontab -l list anything? |
| 21:08.57 | Zenox | I get this error message when trying to use locate (it recently stopped working) -> locate: can not open `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': Stale NFS file handle... What is the problem and any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 21:09.18 | \amethyst | Zenox: is your /var/ on NFS? |
| 21:09.25 | dbbolton | \amethyst http://dbbolton.pastebin.com/d50b9e2bb |
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| 21:09.34 | \amethyst | dbbolton: okay, that's the problem |
| 21:09.34 | Zenox | \amethyst: no, I dont use NFS at all |
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| 21:09.52 | \amethyst | dbbolton: do you have the same stuff in /etc/crontab ? |
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| 21:10.11 | dbbolton | \amethyst yes |
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| 21:10.30 | \amethyst | dbbolton: then run crontab -r as root to remove root's user crontab |
| 21:11.04 | dbbolton | \amethyst waht about /etc/crontab |
| 21:11.11 | \amethyst | dbbolton: you want that |
| 21:11.16 | dbbolton | ok |
| 21:11.26 | racecar56 | apparently apm was a module in my kernel, so i won't have to build it again |
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| 21:11.41 | \amethyst | dbbolton: the problem is that this crontab is in the /etc/crontab format, which has an extra column "user" that root's user crontab doesn't have |
| 21:12.01 | racecar56 | i will give the power button a test |
| 21:12.14 | \amethyst | dbbolton: and if it weren't for that problem, the same stuff would be run twice (once from /etc/crontab and once from root's user crontab) |
| 21:12.34 | gramps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:13.05 | dbbolton | \amethyst any idea how root's user crontab could have gotten set up as such? |
| 21:13.25 | Zenox | \amethyst: woha.. i did an "ls -l /var/lib/mlocate".. gives the stale NFS file handle error and the output is "-????????? ? ? ? ? ? mlocate.db" |
| 21:13.31 | \amethyst | dbbolton: no clue |
| 21:14.11 | Zenox | Should i just delete the mlocate.db file and run updatedb? |
| 21:14.24 | \amethyst | Zenox: what fs is /var/lib/mlocate on? sounds like filesystem corruption if there isn't a network or fuse filesystem involved |
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| 21:14.49 | paneo | Ironhand: my computer is connected to a DSL modem. |
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| 21:15.26 | \amethyst | Zenox: if that's a local on-disk filesystem, I wouldn't touch the filesystem at all |
| 21:15.30 | Zenox | \amethyst: its just on a single disk with ext3 |
| 21:15.45 | \amethyst | Zenox: shutdown -r -F now to shut down and force a filesystem check |
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| 21:16.23 | \amethyst | Zenox: it would probably also be worthwhile to run some diagnostics on the disk and your memory (you can use smartctl for the disk, memtest86 for the memory) |
| 21:16.52 | Zenox | \amethyst: ouch :/ hope it isnt the disk thats about to give in.. going to check the disk/mem as you said |
| 21:16.52 | poonj | hey guys... |
| 21:17.04 | poonj | I'm running some software thta requires apache 1.3 and mod_perl |
| 21:17.22 | \amethyst | poonj: you're out of luck on modern debian |
| 21:17.31 | poonj | is there another version of linux I could use then> |
| 21:17.54 | \amethyst | poonj: Debian etch has both, but its security support will end eventually |
| 21:18.10 | poonj | is there a way to get debian etch? |
| 21:18.33 | poonj | I understand the security will eventually end, but I need to get a few months to develop a solution |
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| 21:23.23 | peterrooney | poonj: what i would do is, during an install of stable, go behind the scenes right after configuring the package manager, and edit /target/etc/apt/sources.list and change all 'lenny' to one of 'etch' or 'oldstable' |
| 21:23.40 | peterrooney | poonj: or, download the etch install CD. |
| 21:23.52 | poonj | okay |
| 21:24.01 | poonj | I'll give that a try |
| 21:24.05 | poonj | thanks peterrooney |
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| 21:46.03 | ghostman | Whats your old fashioned name? Call me debian? ;) |
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| 22:04.11 | ajavid | \amethyst, hi |
| 22:04.23 | sandman | Is CRC data on a hardware or filesystem level? |
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| 22:04.55 | _KaszpiR_ | both, depends on implementation |
| 22:04.56 | sandman | Mostly what I'm trying to discover is whether CRC on a linux system has error detection and correction |
| 22:05.05 | sandman | Or just detection |
| 22:05.36 | _KaszpiR_ | usually just detection |
| 22:06.15 | _KaszpiR_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_redundancy_check |
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| 22:06.41 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/45730/ <- here are my softlinks, and the wrapper script to use to call specific applications inside the i386 sid chroot. When I launch from console, ./smplayer or smplayer &, it works fine. If I click the file in konqueror, and select open with and then select ~/bin/smplayer (which is a softlink to the executable bash script which takes this argument and passes it to dchroot) which should launch it just fine as from the ... |
| 22:06.47 | ajavid | ... console earlier, instead it errors, saying kdeinit could not launch smplayer |
| 22:06.51 | sandman | Yeah I'm reading about it now |
| 22:06.51 | ajavid | any ideas what I should be doing? what I could be missing? |
| 22:07.49 | ajavid | KDEInit could not launch 'smplayer'.: |
| 22:07.51 | ajavid | Could not find 'smplayer' executable. |
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| 22:08.17 | slim | is there an EASY to follow tutorial out there on how to setup a vpn tunnel on Debian 5 ? |
| 22:08.24 | ajavid | how ever smplayer blah.avi works fine, calls it from the chroot just fine |
| 22:08.43 | _KaszpiR_ | sandman CRCs and data integrity - this explains why it cannot be used for correction |
| 22:09.10 | themill | ajavid: nfc about dchroot, but rather than this ARGS=$ARGS stuff, just use "$@" |
| 22:09.46 | ajavid | themill, what do you mean |
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| 22:09.54 | ajavid | !nfc |
| 22:09.55 | dpkg | i heard nfc is No Fucking Clue, or No Fucken Comment .. or maybe National Football Conference |
| 22:09.56 | ajavid | oh |
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| 22:10.32 | sandman | Could md5 be considered a CRC? |
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| 22:10.34 | Tux^verdreifelt | i thought it's "no further comment"... |
| 22:10.35 | caotic | hi, Can someone tell me where does deabian stores its network config ? |
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| 22:10.49 | Titan8990 | caotic, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:10.53 | sandman | n/m |
| 22:11.08 | Titan8990 | caotic, man interfaces or check the reference guide for syntax |
| 22:11.35 | caotic | Titan8990: thanks :) |
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| 22:12.04 | Titan8990 | caotic, anytime |
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| 22:12.44 | sandman | Well, how can one discover what CRC algorithms are being used by the filesystem/hardware |
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| 22:13.58 | ghostman | I`m a devil, ask #gentoo and ask #gentoo.de and ask #gentoo-kde.de! :) |
| 22:14.36 | Titan8990 | sandman, i would say more like ##linux |
| 22:14.59 | ajavid | schroot -c sid -p vlc |
| 22:15.01 | ajavid | hm |
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| 22:15.18 | ajavid | whoah... scroot can do mounting? |
| 22:15.31 | ajavid | nice. |
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| 22:17.50 | ajavid | themill, hi |
| 22:18.03 | themill | g'day |
| 22:18.05 | ajavid | #!/bin/sh |
| 22:18.05 | ajavid | schroot -c sid -p smplayer |
| 22:18.13 | ajavid | chdmod a+x ~/bin/smplayer |
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| 22:18.23 | ajavid | smplayer & -- works fine |
| 22:18.32 | ghostman | sorry, i use gentoo! ;) |
| 22:18.37 | ajavid | konqueror still won't launch it, so nfc, sure, but its not a scripting problem |
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| 22:19.06 | ajavid | themill, I still don't quite understand what you said.. I thought it made sense to put the args into an args var and put it into a loop |
| 22:19.55 | themill | ajavid: yeah, it was more a general comment about bash style -- you don't need any of that $ARG stuff at all. "$@" (including the quotes) already does that for you. greycat's bashfaq has more details |
| 22:20.08 | ajavid | themill, oh ok |
| 22:20.11 | ajavid | i'll look into that |
| 22:20.13 | ajavid | !bash |
| 22:20.13 | dpkg | methinks bash is the Bourne Again SHell, and the default Debian shell. Ask me about <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls>, <abs>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bash #bash on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:21.13 | ajavid | !bash faq |
| 22:21.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
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| 22:21.59 | ajavid | themill, still hasn't loaded. |
| 22:22.07 | Titan8990 | same here, looks like a dead link |
| 22:22.41 | ghostman | gentoo is always on! ;) |
| 22:22.50 | themill | it's hosted at chez greycat so it's not always fast... |
| 22:23.06 | themill | ghostman: do you have a debian support question or are you just here to make noise? |
| 22:23.47 | ghostman | when will debian will be as actual as gentoo? |
| 22:23.56 | ajavid | never. now go away. |
| 22:24.02 | themill | ghostman: please either be silent or /part |
| 22:24.06 | Titan8990 | ghostman, im a big fan of gentoo... but your a troll |
| 22:24.10 | ghostman | silent! |
| 22:24.27 | ajavid | ghostman, you know ops are around and will silence you... |
| 22:24.30 | ajavid | ghostman, chill. |
| 22:25.00 | ghostman | lol, ajavid, told ya! |
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| 22:28.37 | themill | ajavid: looks like wooledge.org has fallen over. I haven't seen greycat around for a while which may be related to that... |
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| 22:32.38 | Klantfil | I managed to trash a library .so file... Is it possible to install it again from apt/dpkg somehow? I dont want to uninstall it as the library has a ton of dependencies |
| 22:33.26 | themill | Klantfil: which file? |
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| 22:34.41 | gusto | hi |
| 22:35.03 | gusto | does someone have a working ati catalyst on debian testing? |
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| 22:36.20 | Klantfil | themill: /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 |
| 22:37.16 | themill | Klantfil: "aptitude reinstall libssl0.9.8" should be all you need to do |
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| 22:39.03 | Klantfil | themill: hmm, i dont have aptitude, but i could install it.. is there any other command to run instead (like apt-get or dpkg) to reinstall it (without uninstalling all of its dependencies as well)? |
| 22:39.39 | dondelelcaro | Klantfil: you can use apt-get --reinstall install too |
| 22:39.53 | gusto | looks like the trackers are working all |
| 22:39.59 | themill | Klantfil: "apt-get --reinstall install libssl0.9.8" s fine too. But you should consider using aptitude anyway. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 22:40.01 | gusto | w8 |
| 22:40.05 | gusto | not belonged here |
| 22:41.24 | Klantfil | themill: mm okay.. i'm mostly using dselect instead.. tried aptitude a couple of years ago but didnt really favor it |
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| 22:42.14 | xoz | can't still convince himself to use aptitude instead of apt-get. aptitude feels slow and less snappy. |
| 22:42.19 | themill | Klantfil: dselect... ha! if you are used to apt-get then just use aptitude from the command line in exactly the same way. If you like the dselect user interface, then the aptitude interface will probably feel ok for you |
| 22:43.50 | gusto | my catalyst runs only with stable, on testing it is very slow and has no accel |
| 22:44.09 | gusto | he said that he couldnt find any gl capable screen |
| 22:44.19 | gusto | kernel module works everytime, thats not a problem |
| 22:44.42 | gusto | I think the problem is with linking the xorg from testing up to unstable with the driver |
| 22:45.11 | ajavid | Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04e8:5a0f Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd MTP Device |
| 22:45.21 | ajavid | !phone |
| 22:45.21 | dpkg | hmm... phone is kinda like a modem, but lamer |
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| 22:45.24 | ajavid | doh. |
| 22:47.35 | ajavid | dmesg detects shows it. lsusb reads it. Amarok won't connect to my phone. |
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| 22:48.17 | ajavid | I can't read it in konqueror either |
| 22:48.17 | themill | ajavid: libmtp7 installed? |
| 22:48.25 | ajavid | themill, no idea. checing |
| 22:48.28 | gusto | i have a radeonhd 3450 and xvinfo says that no adaptors are present, why? |
| 22:48.35 | gusto | with radeon driver |
| 22:48.44 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.48 | ajavid | themill, yessir |
| 22:49.06 | ajavid | oh the phone I selected USB connectivity MEDIA player mode |
| 22:49.17 | ajavid | in konqueror it shows up as usb imaging interface... |
| 22:49.36 | ajavid | I just wanna put some music on it :( |
| 22:49.38 | themill | ahh,... that's progress. See if you can see it as a mass storage device |
| 22:50.06 | ajavid | themill, http://paste.debian.net/45734/ |
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| 22:50.34 | ajavid | themill, looking into storage devices.. not there either |
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| 22:58.11 | zmitya | hi all |
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| 22:58.31 | zmitya | gys, what do I need to install on the server if I want to do X11 forwarding from it |
| 22:58.42 | zmitya | I need to get a wireshark screen from the server |
| 22:59.13 | zmitya | when I log in with ssh -X the $DISPLAY variable is not set |
| 22:59.36 | themill | !sshx |
| 22:59.36 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 23:00.06 | zmitya | themill: thanks !! |
| 23:00.19 | themill | np |
| 23:00.22 | henriquetft | !root x |
| 23:00.22 | dpkg | If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! |
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| 23:00.47 | henriquetft | !tap |
| 23:00.47 | dpkg | somebody said tap was crazy ;) (apt, tap, are you trying to confuse me?), or annoying :) |
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| 23:01.31 | themill | henriquetft: you can "/msg dpkg foo" too |
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| 23:01.52 | henriquetft | okay :) |
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| 23:06.22 | ajavid | themill, is wine able to connect to usb devices on the linux host? |
| 23:06.30 | themill | nope |
| 23:06.33 | ajavid | hm |
| 23:06.41 | ajavid | vmware + xp + samsung software |
| 23:06.49 | ajavid | seems like... would be less headachy than this. |
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| 23:07.07 | ajavid | I have usb-storage loaded, but I can't see this anywhere |
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| 23:15.48 | _2 | would a 32bit or 64bit system be more likely to support "description: Ethernet controller |
| 23:15.59 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.18 | abrotman | it wouldn't matter most likely |
| 23:16.28 | abrotman | and that's not really much of a description |
| 23:16.52 | _2 | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) |
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| 23:17.27 | abrotman | really shuldn't matter .. would guess it's an ath5k device |
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| 23:18.38 | pippijn | hi all |
| 23:18.52 | pippijn | how do you change the "is the system clock using UTC or local time?" thing? |
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| 23:19.17 | _2 | tzconfig ? |
| 23:20.00 | themill | pippijn: /etc/default/rcS |
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| 23:20.23 | pippijn | ah :-) |
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| 23:20.37 | pippijn | thanks |
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| 23:24.28 | DeSian | any driver for canon pixma mx310 scanner under linux? |
| 23:28.03 | kosmic | check xsane. |
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| 23:28.12 | kosmic | i think it's called xsane at least |
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| 23:30.18 | iluminator101 | hi, I have this error when i try to upgrade http://debian.pastebin.com/d7bcafc |
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| 23:31.16 | themill | iluminator101: the answer doesn't change when you ask again a few hours later |
| 23:31.43 | ajavid | themill, ? |
| 23:31.50 | ajavid | whats his $path |
| 23:31.51 | iluminator101 | well how do i change the path |
| 23:32.14 | iluminator101 | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/sbin/:/usr/sbin/:/usr/local/sbin/:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin |
| 23:32.26 | themill | iluminator101: you can't downgrade from sid to squeeze. In particular, you can't remove insserv and related packages like that. sysvinit has changed a lot. |
| 23:32.26 | ajavid | export $PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin |
| 23:32.29 | ajavid | something like that |
| 23:32.29 | themill | dpkg: tell iluminator101 about downgrade |
| 23:32.35 | ajavid | oh, downgrade. |
| 23:32.43 | ajavid | nm |
| 23:32.54 | themill | quite... always ask to see the command and the entire output... |
| 23:33.19 | ajavid | right |
| 23:33.34 | ajavid | themill, xp installing :( |
| 23:33.34 | iluminator101 | so what should i do |
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| 23:33.44 | ajavid | ahhhh boy. iluminator101 you have to reinstall |
| 23:34.12 | ajavid | iluminator101, you can't downgrade. you can clone your existing install perhaps and after you install the stable base system, clone it |
| 23:34.16 | iluminator101 | hmm....thats not not an option at least right now |
| 23:34.24 | ajavid | iluminator101, there is no other option |
| 23:34.30 | ghostman | iluminator101: stay cool! ;) |
| 23:34.34 | ajavid | iluminator101, unless you have more time to waste on this |
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| 23:34.55 | abrotman | iluminator101: why do you want to downgrade ? |
| 23:35.07 | DeSian | kosmic, is installed but didn't find the driver, copy worked fine |
| 23:35.52 | ghostman | won`t disagree without me? :) |
| 23:36.08 | ghostman | remember ` |
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| 23:36.33 | iluminator101 | abortman:well its complicated lets leave it at that |
| 23:36.58 | themill | ghostman: we've been through this already -- take a break from #debian and be more signal and less noise in the future |
| 23:38.07 | abrotman | iluminator101: didn't someone here tell you not to use unstable ? |
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| 23:40.10 | iluminator101 | yes, but now i have to go back to sid b/z i dont have to time to reinstall |
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| 23:40.39 | bjk | hello folks. what the purpose of Vcs-Git/Vcs-browser in debian/control? |
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| 23:44.04 | MytE | hey is it possible to install a 2.6.27 (or later) kernel when installing debian from a cd ? |
| 23:44.11 | MytE | like is it an option somehow |
| 23:44.41 | themill | !kmuto |
| 23:44.41 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 23:44.46 | bjk | nm |
| 23:44.54 | MytE | uh |
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| 23:57.13 | _2 | howto use apt to install linux 2.6.24 on etch ? |
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| 23:57.30 | abrotman | _2: apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 23:57.32 | malchias | is there a recommended way to reinstall completely over ssh? |
| 23:57.37 | _2 | k |
| 23:58.20 | _2 | nothing |
| 23:58.36 | themill | !etchnhalf |
| 23:58.36 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 23:59.09 | malchias | http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html I was using this guide but got stuck at: mke2fs -j /dev/sda5 ... it says it's mounted and I don't see how to unmount it (umount says it's not mounted) |
| 23:59.17 | _2 | typo'd. duh |
