| 00:00.11 | voipzapper | cast: please elucidate me as to the reason |
| 00:00.12 | themill | xeon-enouf: and that's still spam, please tell me you know better |
| 00:00.13 | bpun | bittin_, perhaps sweden keyboard map no avail? |
| 00:00.51 | voipzapper | why does wireshark need to be run as root then?, i guess. |
| 00:01.01 | bittin_ | bpun: it is |
| 00:01.09 | mnuhmnuh | izua: /usr/games/fortune $HOME/dox/kernelnewbies |
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| 00:01.50 | izua | uhm, nevermind, found it in the meantime |
| 00:01.53 | bpun | bittin_, so u'd have to restart X and check it's log it's using the keyboard map.. i dont know why u dont try to use settings or whatever for ~ user |
| 00:02.04 | izua | i had to put the unstrfile file in the fortune directory |
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| 00:02.24 | bittin_ | åäö |
| 00:02.26 | izua | also, go me. i have a bash.org top 200 fortune file. not that i don't know most of them >< |
| 00:02.32 | cast | voipzapper: did you need root privledges to install utorrent? |
| 00:02.35 | bittin_ | will restart Xorg now tough |
| 00:02.50 | xeon-enouf | it's only spam if you're a baboon and not an ape, but ok |
| 00:03.07 | bpun | xeon-enouf, izua is spamming |
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| 00:03.15 | mersault | I'm having difficulty with my Xen domU not being able to remount the root FS as rw. It seems that the LVM partitions are write-protected, but they are listed as rw in the Xen config, and LVM itself has them rw. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 00:03.28 | bittin_ | åäö |
| 00:03.35 | bittin_ | got it to work |
| 00:03.38 | xeon-enouf | bpun: so do something about it? |
| 00:03.40 | voipzapper | cast: no. but, i was running wireshark at the time which will not run properly not as root |
| 00:03.42 | bpun | voipzapper, "please elucidate me as to the reason" << oooo viper on words.. scary.... |
| 00:03.52 | cast | voipzapper: so? |
| 00:03.58 | bittin_ | http://pastebin.se/198861 in xorg.conf and restart |
| 00:04.00 | cast | voipzapper: aptitude show sox |
| 00:04.02 | voipzapper | bpun: ? |
| 00:04.10 | cast | voipzapper: erm, sux, sorry :( |
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| 00:04.42 | voipzapper | cast: aptitude show sux. ok. |
| 00:05.02 | bpun | voipzapper, speak clearly.. sounds like a no dont |
| 00:05.37 | bpun | bittin__1, stick with simple settings |
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| 00:05.55 | bpun | bittin__1, how many times are u logged in here for crying out loud |
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| 00:06.35 | voipzapper | bpun: "sounds like a no dont"? sorry, i don't follow you |
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| 00:06.48 | cast | voipzapper: in other news, a better solution is to not use utorrent. |
| 00:07.07 | voipzapper | cast: i guess i still don't see what sux has to do with this situation |
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| 00:07.27 | bpun | what a douche... he using utorrent? lol |
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| 00:08.14 | cast | voipzapper: your reason for running utorrent's install as root was because you had logged into your IDE as root to run wireshark, right? |
| 00:08.18 | voipzapper | cast: well, i have been trying to find a "modern" torrent that will install from lenny without have to violate lenny/sid dependancies |
| 00:08.35 | cast | bah, DE, not IDE :( i should type slower. |
| 00:09.15 | voipzapper | cast: i guess i wasn't paying attention, but to be clear, i don't really understand why that is undesirable |
| 00:09.48 | voipzapper | bpun: you know, you could be a bit more civil. THIS forum suggested utorrent running in wine |
| 00:10.25 | bpun | voipzapper, yeah.. i can see that.. since you don't know how to fix your sid packages... surely i bet you never reportbug either.. how helpful is that? |
| 00:10.32 | voipzapper | bpun: all of the torrent clients that i have tried that are in the lenny distro do not use PEX (or use an older one, not quite sure which) |
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| 00:10.59 | cast | voipzapper: do you understand what permissions are? |
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| 00:11.07 | voipzapper | bpun: i have stayed away from sid due to many and various warnings about it |
| 00:11.42 | voipzapper | cast: yes. i used to help admin a mainframe unix box at a college. but that was years ago |
| 00:11.59 | cast | voipzapper: and did all the users run as root? |
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| 00:12.37 | voipzapper | cast: no, of course not. :-) but we would install a package as root and then set permissions in various meaningful ways as i recall |
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| 00:12.54 | bpun | voipzapper, so what does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 00:13.16 | bpun | voipzapper, and i highly doubt anybody would recomment utorrent in wine in this channel, who said this? |
| 00:13.27 | voipzapper | i am still unclear why i was needing to run as root at all. i was unable to get wireshark to run and was suggested to run it as root and then it run fine |
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| 00:13.59 | bpun | !pex |
| 00:13.59 | dpkg | [pex] an X protocol extension developed by the X Consortium to support 3D graphics for X |
| 00:13.59 | cast | presumably they suggested you run wireshark as root, rather than everything as root |
| 00:14.11 | voipzapper | bpun: it was not in this specific channel, but another #debian |
| 00:14.20 | bpun | voipzapper, pex really makes a different for torrents app to work is what ur saying? |
| 00:14.26 | bpun | voipzapper, hmmm |
| 00:14.32 | bpun | ignores voipzapper |
| 00:14.42 | cast | voipzapper: one reason windows xp sucks so badly is that users run everything as the root user, it makes the system much more fragile, and malware much easier to get a tight hold on the system |
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| 00:15.07 | micheal | hello, someone available for troubleshooting? |
| 00:15.14 | micheal | rsyncbackup |
| 00:15.26 | voipzapper | bpun: PEX improves torrent performance by a factor of 10, but you wouldn't see that since i am on ignore |
| 00:15.38 | cast | voipzapper: then there's little things, like when you log in to GNOME as root, you won't have all your users settings/files in ~/ |
| 00:15.40 | voipzapper | cast: yes, i understand that |
| 00:15.58 | FoxM | hi there. I am using Squeeze (amd64) I want to install the fglrx-driver and fglrx-control packages as instructed by the http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary page. But when I try to install the fglrx-glx-ia32 package, it depends on libc6-i386, but according to aptitude, libc6-i386 breaks fglrx-glx-ia32 . What can I do? |
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| 00:16.21 | voipzapper | cast: this is true and i did notice that, but i guess i imsunderstood/mistranslated my previous unix experience |
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| 00:17.06 | voipzapper | cast: i would not have been running anything as root had there not been suggestions to do and finding that wireshark would only work as root |
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| 00:17.34 | cast | voipzapper: run wireshark as root, if it requires it. no need to login to gnome as root however. use sux. |
| 00:17.38 | xeon-enouf | cast: s,~/,/root/, |
| 00:17.49 | voipzapper | i still don't understand the wireshark/root issue. is that why you were suggesting sux? |
| 00:17.50 | voipzapper | ah |
| 00:17.54 | FoxM | Oops... sorry... I am going to ask in #ati :P I just read the dpkg message for fglrx |
| 00:18.08 | cast | xororand: login as root and ~/ is /root/ ;P |
| 00:18.13 | xeon-enouf | wireshark requires root privs, IINM, otherwise recompile it |
| 00:18.20 | cast | xeon-enouf, too :\ |
| 00:18.31 | xeon-enouf | cast: indeed ;-) |
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| 00:18.58 | xeon-enouf | cast: but all '~/' implies is $HOME |
| 00:19.12 | cast | sure. |
| 00:19.12 | voipzapper | cast: it seems that my friend, who is notoriously careless, shouldn't have set that |
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| 00:19.59 | voipzapper | cast: i was very happily never logging in as root and occasionally running this or that as root from the single, normal user i had created in the first place |
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| 00:20.11 | bou_fon_ | http://www.clodogame.fr/change_please/2789046/ |
| 00:20.18 | cast | ignore your friend, ! |
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| 00:20.29 | voipzapper | cast: indeed. |
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| 00:21.14 | voipzapper | cast: so, way to recover i.e. remove wine and utorrent (the only things i have done as root) and then use sux to run wireshark? |
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| 00:21.35 | voipzapper | sorry to be so seemingly dense |
| 00:22.16 | cast | if it were my computer i'd reinstall the OS, as i don't trust proprietary closed source .exe's |
| 00:22.23 | cast | but it's up to you what you do. |
| 00:22.39 | cast | everything is probably fine, |
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| 00:23.10 | voipzapper | cast: well, that was my next and obvious suggestion. i have nothing on the box except my wireshark experiment which is duplcatable in a hot new york minute |
| 00:23.36 | voipzapper | *duplicatable |
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| 00:24.06 | cast | your box, do what you want :o nothings actually broken atm. |
| 00:24.41 | micheal | Someone has expierience with rsyncbackup and can help me ? i am new to rsync. ive done my backups via plesk and something but now i am using syscp for the little details and need to backup my server with rsync. What i have done: Ive set up both server with all needed application. Both running same debian version, and also same applications. Both server can sommnicate via ssh per key! CONTINUE |
| 00:25.40 | micheal | when i am do a backup files will be stored on the backupserver but the size dont increase. |
| 00:26.18 | micheal | not increase" |
| 00:26.18 | voipzapper | cast: ok. that would be a time saver. but, how to get rid of wine and the utorrent install? |
| 00:26.27 | micheal | the size wont be higher then before |
| 00:26.29 | voipzapper | or... how to make it work. |
| 00:26.37 | cast | voipzapper: utorrent is probably in roots wine directory |
| 00:26.56 | voipzapper | cast: thx. will look. |
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| 00:28.42 | micheal | i believe something is wrong and i want someone who can try to help me to have ~1GB backup files like my server has and not only 100mb |
| 00:29.34 | voipzapper | further problem. the reason for using utorrent is its use of PEX. lenny versions of transmission and deluge both do not use |
| 00:30.22 | voipzapper | does version 0.7.9etc or rtorrent use PEX? |
| 00:30.26 | markybob | voipzapper, that's not true. deluge does use pex |
| 00:31.17 | markybob | voipzapper, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/deluge-torrent that version supports it fine |
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| 00:31.56 | voipzapper | markybob: but from what everyone was saying, it is the lenny version of libtorrent which does not use PEX, or uses the older version |
| 00:32.22 | voipzapper | markybob: i'm not exactly clear if it is PEX iteslf, or the newer version |
| 00:32.22 | markybob | voipzapper, deluge in lenny comes with it's own, built-in libtorrent and does not use the system library |
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| 00:32.43 | voipzapper | markybob: interesting. will have to examine |
| 00:32.53 | markybob | voipzapper, i used to be the head developer of deluge. trust me :P |
| 00:33.02 | themill | voipzapper: you could always backport libtorrent+client in any case. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 00:33.09 | themill | markybob: embeded library :( ewww |
| 00:33.44 | markybob | themill, that's since been discontinued. simply had to for a while because most distros had outdated libtorrent and didnt support the features users watned |
| 00:33.46 | markybob | wanted* |
| 00:33.54 | voipzapper | cast: so, if i just use aptitude/synaptic to remove wine, and as root since that where it was installed, that will remove utorrent along with it? |
| 00:34.43 | themill | voipzapper: you'll need to look for /root/.wine/ as well (and any other users that you want to clean up) |
| 00:34.44 | voipzapper | markybob: is that the current method that the new windoze version of utorrent uses? |
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| 00:35.06 | markybob | voipzapper, yes. libtorrent is written by one of the head developers of utotrrent |
| 00:35.18 | markybob | utorrent* |
| 00:35.29 | voipzapper | themill: it was only installed earlier today as root and i have not logged out or back in as anything else |
| 00:36.03 | voipzapper | markybob: and that version of deluge is the one in the standard lenny? |
| 00:36.15 | markybob | voipzapper, 0.5.9.3 |
| 00:36.25 | markybob | i already linked you to the package :P |
| 00:36.58 | voipzapper | themill: i seriously doubt that i am yet competent to even attempt any backport stuff |
| 00:37.29 | voipzapper | themill: hi again btw :-) |
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| 00:43.12 | voipzapper | markybob: yes, i see that you linked to the package. and you are saying that the one you linked to, which is version 0.5.9.3, is as up-to-date or nearly so with PEX as the current utorrent |
| 00:43.30 | markybob | voipzapper, yes. pex doesnt really change |
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| 00:44.02 | voipzapper | markybob: i believe you, especially as developer, but you should definitely clarify that as often as possible |
| 00:44.16 | voipzapper | markybob: many, many people have told me exactly the opposite |
| 00:44.45 | markybob | i hear the US never landed on the moon :P |
| 00:45.39 | voipzapper | markybob: running transmission 1.22, standard in lenny, is at least 10x slower than little utorrent in windoze |
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| 00:45.55 | voipzapper | markybob: well, there was that one movie about us landing on mars. ;-) |
| 00:46.06 | mythomaniac | i have installed squeeze with openbox and xfe file manager... why am i not getting a window border around the xfe window? |
| 00:46.12 | voipzapper | capricorn one i think |
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| 00:49.14 | voipzapper | so, using aptitude to remove wine will take the improperly installed utorrent with it? |
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| 00:49.57 | cast | no. |
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| 00:52.25 | voipzapper | cast: i found the /home/root/.wine (~/.wine) dir and all of the utorrent stuff is in there |
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| 00:52.41 | voipzapper | i guess i though removing wine would kill that .wine dir |
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| 00:53.21 | Tramp | voipzapper: no. Packages don't touch user-configuration |
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| 00:54.18 | lafrance | jpinx-eeepc, thank you for your help work great now |
| 00:54.31 | voipzapper | ok. thx. i think i'm going to just wipe the disk and reinstall lenny. |
| 00:55.11 | voipzapper | that is why this box is throw away as i learn from this illustrious channel |
| 00:55.44 | voipzapper | and not allow my impulsive and clearly only partially knowledge with a mile of it |
| 00:56.45 | voipzapper | *partially knowledgable friend i mean |
| 00:57.25 | jpinx-eeepc | lafrance: np :) |
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| 00:59.37 | lafrance | Just took me long time could not find darn disable root :( |
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| 01:00.46 | dutchfish | lafrance, that option is being offered on install ;) |
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| 01:01.08 | lafrance | did not notice it while upgrading from etch |
| 01:01.26 | lafrance | hey still doing good considering have dementia here |
| 01:01.57 | mythomaniac | in openbox does anyone know how to grab a window with the mouse, a window that has its border out of reach? |
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| 01:04.21 | samid | is there a good custom kernel compile guide? |
| 01:05.44 | Tramp | !make-kpkg |
| 01:05.44 | dpkg | from memory, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 01:05.53 | Tramp | samid: ^^, maybe that helps |
| 01:06.12 | dutchfish | samid, http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 01:07.02 | samid | cheers! |
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| 01:07.16 | samid | ive actually done it all except making the initrd image |
| 01:07.20 | samid | couldnt find the tools to do it |
| 01:08.30 | _2 | ok what am i missing here? i installed etchnhalf kernel trying to get ath wifi working but i don't see an ath?k module ??? |
| 01:09.07 | dutchfish | !kp-mantra |
| 01:09.07 | dpkg | i guess kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 01:09.51 | _2 | i thought that i would get the modules by installing linuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 01:10.04 | samid | dutchfish: ic... so --initrd ;-) |
| 01:10.14 | dutchfish | samid, there you go |
| 01:11.35 | _2 | anyone ? |
| 01:12.49 | dutchfish | got latest updates, squeeze amd64, amarok (<unknown>:4841): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_make_from_uri: assertion `gst_uri_is_valid (uri)' failed, anywone able to help? |
| 01:13.10 | _2 | !ath |
| 01:13.32 | Tramp | _2: Did you see: http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k <- apparently the module is in etchnhalf but may be blacklisted by a previous instal using madwifi |
| 01:13.59 | _2 | Tramp i haven't installed madwifi |
| 01:14.06 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.17 | adb | _2, ^ |
| 01:14.30 | _2 | and modprobe -l | grep ath yelds nothing |
| 01:14.38 | samid | dutchfish: just out of curiousity, are you using a lcd monitor at the moment? |
| 01:14.50 | dutchfish | samid, yes |
| 01:14.52 | _2 | adb where do i get the module though ? |
| 01:15.09 | samid | dutchfish: did you manage to get cleartype working under linux? |
| 01:15.43 | Tramp | _2: well, do you have the module: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name \*ath5\* |
| 01:15.55 | dutchfish | samid, sure |
| 01:16.20 | _2 | Tramp err looks like it rebooted to the wrong kernel sorry, my bad. |
| 01:16.24 | adb | _2, /msg dpkg ath5k |
| 01:16.24 | dutchfish | samid, if you mean antialiasing |
| 01:16.41 | Tramp | .... |
| 01:17.10 | dutchfish | this my errorlog in respect to latest amarok in squeeze (debug mode): http://debian.pastebin.com/m7396594f |
| 01:18.08 | samid | dutchfish: with hinting, like in xft i normally do antialias=true:hinting=true:hintstyle=hintfull |
| 01:18.25 | samid | dutchfish: but it looks bad on LCD monitor :( |
| 01:18.44 | dutchfish | samid, well, i configured it inside kde4 |
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| 01:20.01 | samid | dutchfish: ok |
| 01:20.11 | dutchfish | samid, subpixel:rgb hinting:middle (translated to english) |
| 01:20.28 | dutchfish | samid, that works for me |
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| 01:20.47 | BCM43 | how can I set up dvorak in xorg? |
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| 01:20.53 | dutchfish | samid, with antialiasing on |
| 01:21.10 | samid | dutchfish: that worked out of the box? didnt need to patch freestyle or xft? |
| 01:21.16 | dutchfish | samid, nope |
| 01:21.29 | samid | dutchfish: hmm..strange...ok.... |
| 01:21.32 | simonrvn | hinting:medium |
| 01:21.38 | dutchfish | samid, that is on squeeze amd64 |
| 01:21.42 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:21.49 | dutchfish | simonrvn, thank you |
| 01:22.03 | samid | dutchfish: ah you r using ubuntu ;-) |
| 01:22.06 | simonrvn | np buddy |
| 01:22.10 | dutchfish | samid, never |
| 01:22.22 | simonrvn | uh, that's debian... |
| 01:22.28 | samid | oh |
| 01:22.28 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 01:22.28 | dpkg | well, debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org. |
| 01:22.47 | samid | debian testing ;-) |
| 01:22.53 | dutchfish | yup |
| 01:23.23 | samid | well im on sid...ive been mucking about with freestyle/xft cleartype patch |
| 01:23.39 | samid | got the AA to work little better..but i think still need bit more improvement |
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| 01:24.07 | lafrance | is there a special way to keep ssh alive more than 5 minutes? |
| 01:24.31 | simonrvn | tcpkeepalive |
| 01:24.33 | lafrance | connect time out 0 ? |
| 01:26.08 | lafrance | simonrvn, in sshd.conf ? |
| 01:26.18 | BCM43 | how can I setup xorg to use dvorak? |
| 01:28.02 | adb | BCM43, in gnome ? |
| 01:28.16 | BCM43 | adb: no, scrotwm |
| 01:29.40 | simonrvn | sshd_config |
| 01:30.05 | simonrvn | you have a manual there, use it |
| 01:30.25 | ultralazer | setxkeymap -help |
| 01:30.39 | ultralazer | setxkbmap -help |
| 01:30.42 | ultralazer | i mean |
| 01:31.26 | dutchfish | i found the problem with amarok, the table structure has been changed, when i upgraded to the new amarok the update does not update the table structure, even rescan the collection wont help then |
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| 01:33.26 | NekawA | can anyone help me address in issue where gnome is starting up w/ a blank screen in vnc |
| 01:33.40 | NekawA | oddly if i run gnome-panel the panel comes up so i believe it to be working (Sort of), |
| 01:33.52 | NekawA | the whole issue started when i installed kopete from the unstable repo |
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| 01:38.08 | edju | anyone with a good pointer for resolvconf syntax? the prog, not the file resolv.conf. |
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| 01:40.44 | dutchfish | edju, you mean man 3 resolver? |
| 01:41.26 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: fwiw; modprobe -l | grep <keyword> works for `uname -r`, but yeah, for non-`uname -r` kernels, find is the ticket |
| 01:42.29 | dutchfish | edju, or man 5 resolver |
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| 01:43.18 | xeon-enouf | or man -k resolv ; or apropos resolv :-) |
| 01:45.39 | xeon-enouf | NekawA: maybe someone from what '/msg dpkg gnome' tells you can help |
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| 01:45.46 | superlinux | hi. |
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| 01:45.57 | edju | I know what to put in resolv.conf - it's how to use the prog resolvconf that I don't know - and the amn page is no help to me. |
| 01:46.02 | Rumpsy | hi |
| 01:46.14 | edju | er, man page. |
| 01:46.20 | superlinux | how can i do traffic shaping of my own CPU? I hope my question is clear. |
| 01:46.21 | xeon-enouf | edju: dpkg -L resolvconf |
| 01:46.23 | Rumpsy | i newly installed dedian. |
| 01:46.38 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: schedutils ; taskset , IIUC |
| 01:46.45 | Rumpsy | after installation my x fails to start |
| 01:47.27 | Rumpsy | i found that there is no xorg file in X11!! |
| 01:47.36 | xeon-enouf | !xorg.conf |
| 01:47.41 | Rumpsy | can anyone help me |
| 01:47.42 | xeon-enouf | hrm |
| 01:47.44 | ultralazer | the auto xorg is lame. |
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| 01:48.17 | Rumpsy | !xorg.conf is the command? |
| 01:48.18 | superlinux | xeon-enouf, well what if I have many Virtual machines running and I want to devide the CPU potential between the machines? |
| 01:48.19 | dpkg | okay, Rumpsy |
| 01:48.44 | avu | meep |
| 01:48.57 | avu | dpkg, forget about xorg.conf |
| 01:48.57 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'about xorg.conf' to forget, avu |
| 01:49.00 | xeon-enouf | !empty xorg.conf |
| 01:49.00 | dpkg | Starting from Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. |
| 01:49.06 | avu | ah |
| 01:49.49 | ultralazer | or as X attempts to autodetect. fail. |
| 01:50.10 | Rumpsy | ya autodetect fail? |
| 01:50.14 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: i don't know, clustering? distcc? cgroups? |
| 01:50.39 | Rumpsy | is that a silution! |
| 01:50.50 | Rumpsy | is that a solution! |
| 01:51.13 | NekawA | xeon-enouf i've already installed gnome and everything it worked fine until I updated kopete |
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| 01:51.18 | ultralazer | no. it's opinion xorg's new autodetect works about as well as win98 plug and play. |
| 01:51.24 | superlinux | xeon-enouf, what i heard is that i can divide the CPU , like X% to some application and should not exceed that X% |
| 01:51.43 | dhodgkin | gnomeConf.sh, where do I find it? |
| 01:51.49 | lafrance | darn would love to have that bot |
| 01:51.57 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: as to the last one mentioned; see /Documentation/cgroups/cgroups.txt |
| 01:52.14 | mius | hm, installed bash 4.0 under lenny, --version shows 4.0.28, but new functions included in bash 4 do not work |
| 01:52.18 | superlinux | ok |
| 01:52.41 | superlinux | xeon-enouf, sorry , is that in the kernel Docs?? |
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| 01:52.49 | lafrance | anyone know who own dpkp ? |
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| 01:53.59 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: ues |
| 01:54.06 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: yes |
| 01:54.09 | superlinux | ok thanks |
| 01:54.44 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: not sure when implemented. so look in a fairly recent kernel version |
| 01:55.00 | superlinux | I will. I have 2.6.30 |
| 01:55.08 | xeon-enouf | good |
| 01:55.21 | superlinux | from the BackPorts |
| 01:56.09 | xeon-enouf | lafrance: yes, a DD does, why? /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 01:56.26 | lafrance | thanks |
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| 01:57.50 | rudi_s | Hi. I just updated to the latest lenny release and got these warnings when running aptitude: Can't exec "/tmp/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64.config.198771": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.10/IPC/Open3.pm line 168. (some more with the same problem). I have noexec for /tmp to make it harder for exploits. Do I have to worry about this? |
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| 01:58.50 | simonrvn | um, that's why... |
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| 02:16.39 | Andorin | Hi! I'm an Ubuntu user who has thought of trying Debian. Are there any significant practical differences between Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 02:17.17 | ultralazer | the ati drivers work :) |
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| 02:18.31 | abrotman | Andorin: less handholding with debian |
| 02:19.02 | Andorin | Meaning? |
| 02:19.32 | Andorin | Mm. Well, I did hear that Debian has less of a "newbie" air than Ubuntu. |
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| 02:21.19 | kripz | Is it possible to forward x inside a web browser? |
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| 02:21.31 | kripz | Control everything inside a web browser |
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| 02:22.07 | cast | Andorin: debian has less bugs. |
| 02:22.32 | rgr | cast: who told you that? Which debian? |
| 02:22.34 | Andorin | Alright. Any disadvantages when compared to Ubuntu? |
| 02:22.50 | rgr | Andorin: its not as easy to install certain "non free" SW. |
| 02:22.58 | cast | rgr: i did, when i used ubuntu and found things assploding D: |
| 02:23.01 | rgr | or rather the system does not do it for you. |
| 02:23.19 | markybob | Andorin, http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7297 |
| 02:23.20 | Andorin | I don't really use non-free software anyway. Closest thing that I can think of would be Flash. |
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| 02:24.00 | rgr | pesonally I prefer Debian too. Not so many fan boys. But there a lot of OSS loonies too. |
| 02:24.01 | abrotman | that's not close .. it is non-free :) |
| 02:24.25 | Andorin | Every side has fanboys, rgr. :P |
| 02:24.36 | rgr | of course. juest debian is better produced IMO. |
| 02:25.02 | cast | wouldn't anyone who develops debian be a OSS loonie, due to the adherence to the DFSG |
| 02:25.10 | Andorin | Well, since Linux is awesome, I could just download the .iso and boot it from my flash drive. I don't have a staple gun with which to install, though... |
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| 02:25.29 | mogunus | cast: I'm not an OSS loonie. |
| 02:25.42 | rgr | Ubuntu has far too many know alls whereas debian types tend to be more correct when giving advice. I recommend Debian over Ubuntuu any day. I also think the "must release" mentality of Ubuntu has degraded it more and more. A shame Debian is moving to that release model. |
| 02:25.46 | cast | mogunus: oh, a FS loonie then? :) |
| 02:25.48 | markybob | cast, why are you here, then? |
| 02:26.04 | mogunus | cast: I think the DFSG are weirdly practical, actually. An inspectable system is more useful to me. |
| 02:26.13 | cast | because i don't use proprietary software. |
| 02:26.17 | Andorin | Being a free software advocate, I like the idea behind the DFSG. |
| 02:26.21 | cast | thus, i like debian. |
| 02:26.25 | rgr | cast: no. Just certain people refuse to help with "non free" even thought its clearly debian related. |
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| 02:26.27 | Andorin | Something that Ubuntu seems to lack. |
| 02:26.44 | cast | rgr: well debian *is* the free operating system, |
| 02:26.45 | mogunus | I use debian because it is the most mature and well-developed inspectable system with kickass package management that I could find. |
| 02:26.54 | Andorin | Now, I understand that Ubuntu is based on Debian. I use a handful of common programs- xchat, Pidgin, Firefox (which I know is rebranded under Debian), etc. Will those work on Debian? |
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| 02:27.14 | rgr | Andorin: yeah. Putting emacs documentation into a seperate library makes real sense. All rules are there to be accommodating. |
| 02:27.15 | markybob | Andorin, only firefox is rebranded |
| 02:27.24 | markybob | Andorin, and yes, it'd work fine |
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| 02:27.28 | Andorin | Cool. |
| 02:27.43 | oxi | how can I investigate an rwx-- [ anon ] entry in pmap? |
| 02:28.01 | Andorin | Come to think of it, is this a support channel and should I take this to offtopic? |
| 02:28.58 | abrotman | this is the support channel, and there is #debian-offtopic too |
| 02:29.11 | abrotman | markybob: so is thunderbird ? |
| 02:29.14 | abrotman | well .. and more |
| 02:29.25 | markybob | abrotman, i meant of those he listed |
| 02:29.33 | abrotman | but he didn't ask about htem .. so who cares .. carry on! |
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| 02:32.08 | Schuenemann | hi |
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| 02:32.50 | Schuenemann | I don't know what I did with aptitude, but it's removing a lot of packages. cups, gnome-desktop-environment, gnome-core, alsa... how can I take that back? |
| 02:33.00 | Schuenemann | I think I pressed G |
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| 02:33.42 | cast | i'd look up what G does |
| 02:33.54 | Schuenemann | can you? it's still removing |
| 02:34.20 | Schuenemann | gedit, gdebi |
| 02:34.34 | cast | wonders if ctrl-z will pause its operation |
| 02:34.44 | Zambezi | I'm doing a dd on a 500 GB-harddrive using bzip2. I estimated it would take about 15 hours, but I'm not sure. 12.5 hours, but there's no progressbar so it can finish any time or after I'm going to bed. Any idea about eta? IDE->IDE on a dualcore. |
| 02:35.16 | Schuenemann | cast, I think only ctrl c would stop it |
| 02:35.24 | abrotman | Zambezi: man dd ... /USR |
| 02:35.56 | Zambezi | abrotman: What if I'm not using Linux atm? ;-) |
| 02:36.16 | abrotman | then why are you asking here ? |
| 02:36.53 | Schuenemann | can anyone help? I think literally messed everything |
| 02:37.29 | g1 | Hi, could someone recommend me a nice guide for linux, specifically debian beginners? |
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| 02:37.53 | Zambezi | abrotman: Doh, I'm doing the dd on my server running Lenny, but I'm not touching it. I just want to have an idea if I'll be able to run fsck before going to bed. |
| 02:37.55 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 02:37.55 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 02:38.55 | Schuenemann | cast, did you see what G is? |
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| 02:42.30 | Schuenemann | is there a way to undo my last aptitude update? |
| 02:45.52 | cast | Schuenemann: no, i was eating :) |
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| 02:48.45 | Schuenemann | cast, can it be undone? |
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| 02:53.02 | boingboing | hi |
| 02:54.34 | boingboing | guys, i installed cafuegos firmware package for the b43 module (broadcom 4322 chipset) ... what are you supposed to do after the firmware package is intalled? |
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| 02:56.08 | abrotman | the b43-fwcutter ? |
| 02:57.31 | godlygeek | i'm in sid, and upgrading a package broke things. how can i revert to an older version, given that i don't still have the old deb in my /var/cache/apt? |
| 02:57.33 | markybob | you modprobe the module? |
| 02:57.49 | markybob | !downgrade |
| 02:57.49 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 02:58.25 | godlygeek | right, but my problem is finding an older deb - is there any "time machine" sort of thing for unstable debs? |
| 02:58.47 | boingboing | abrotman: hmm googling that thx |
| 02:58.47 | markybob | godlygeek, /msg dpkg snapshot |
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| 02:59.10 | abrotman | !tell boingboing about b43 |
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| 02:59.50 | arvind_khadri | hi, am unable to setup xen under grub2, could you tell me any other virutalizer? |
| 03:00.03 | abrotman | kvm? |
| 03:00.48 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, sounds nice, but do you have any idea of grub2? |
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| 03:01.09 | abrotman | nope |
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| 03:02.00 | dutchfish | arvind_khadri, http://grub.enbug.org/FrontPage?action=show&redirect=VoorPagina |
| 03:02.14 | bpun | arvind_khadri, sounds like a cat popping out of your ass.. xen doesn't require grub2 |
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| 03:02.47 | godlygeek | markybob: unfortunately, snapshot.debian.net seems to not know anything about xserver-xorg-video-intel ... even though it seems like it should ... no other way to find an old deb? running with the VESA driver is killing me... :( |
| 03:03.12 | abrotman | snapshot has been toast for awhile |
| 03:03.31 | arvind_khadri | dutchfish, that redirects me to the front page... |
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| 03:05.14 | Loafers | Why wifi on lenny so slow? |
| 03:05.28 | markybob | Loafers, because you didnt set the rate with iwconfig ? |
| 03:05.40 | dutchfish | arvind_khadri, found a better one 2. grub 2 has some quircks i dont recommend it with xen, pleas euse grub legacy with it |
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| 03:05.45 | Serraphyn | Hey can anyone recommend an MP3 sorter util ? |
| 03:05.47 | Loafers | markybob, ok i'll give that a try |
| 03:06.02 | markybob | Loafers, the default is 1M... |
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| 03:06.38 | dutchfish | arvind_khadri, http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 03:07.13 | arvind_khadri | dutchfish, the thing is that grub2 came with development version of ubuntu, and i have xen in lenny... |
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| 03:07.32 | xororand | cast: yeah, amazing :P |
| 03:07.43 | Loafers | markybob, Currently it my Bit Rate is 54 Mb/s |
| 03:08.08 | xororand | cast: although different $HOME variables for root can be useful, on a system with more than 1 admin |
| 03:08.13 | dutchfish | arvind_khadri, either you do you grub hackery in dom-0 on ubuntu, or switch to lenny for dom-0 also, but that would be tough to solve |
| 03:08.27 | Loafers | markybob, what am i suppose to adjust it to? |
| 03:08.55 | dutchfish | arvind_khadri, otherwise around is not hard to solve |
| 03:09.21 | markybob | Loafers, you play until you find the proper rate/distance/noise ratio. trial and error |
| 03:09.24 | arvind_khadri | dutchfish, i guess switching to legacy is easy |
| 03:09.50 | Loafers | markybob, I'm not to experienced with this kind of stuff, is there a way to let ocmputer detect best settings? |
| 03:09.52 | dutchfish | arvind_khadri, then i would do that because its the esiest way out |
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| 03:10.05 | markybob | Loafers, no |
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| 03:10.35 | Loafers | markybob, ok thanks |
| 03:10.47 | dutchfish | arvind_khadri, when in the next release things get sorted out with grub2, rolling over to grub 2 can be done |
| 03:11.40 | godlygeek | hm. in lieu of actually finding the .deb for xserver-xorg-video-intel=2:2.7.1-1, i should just be able to download xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.7.1{.orig.tar.gz,-1.dsc,-1.diff.gz} and remake the deb with dpkg-buildpackage, right? |
| 03:11.50 | arvind_khadri | dutchfish, yeah, this release is due october, i guess they will fix it by then, anyways could you tell me of some good virtualizers?i use vbox, but its too slow |
| 03:12.12 | dutchfish | arvind_khadri, well i like myself xen but also kvm |
| 03:12.23 | dutchfish | !kvm |
| 03:12.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kvm is kernel virtual memory, or keyboard/video/mouse. Kernel-based Virtual Machine, see http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions. Also alsk me about <literal xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 03:13.27 | kripz | Is it possible to forward x inside a web browser? control a window using a webbrowser |
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| 03:15.19 | godlygeek | kronic: sure, as long as that web browser has an implementation of the X protocol built into it... >_> |
| 03:15.25 | xororand | kripz: like an X server implemented in java or as a firefox addon? |
| 03:15.28 | godlygeek | kronic: ^ oops, meant that for you |
| 03:15.44 | godlygeek | kripz: ^ got it right that time.... |
| 03:15.45 | godlygeek | d'oh. |
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| 03:16.17 | kripz | xororand, currently im using putty/ssh to view a window on my server. I want to be able to scrap putty and ssh and use a web browser. |
| 03:16.23 | kronic | if a system hangs on deactivating swap (during a reboot), is that a sign of a memory issue, or hdd issue, the hdd(s) are in a s/w raid 1 |
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| 03:16.52 | xororand | kripz: there are java based vnc viewers |
| 03:17.11 | xororand | you could use that over https:// |
| 03:17.14 | kripz | xororand, not after VNC, just want a single window, not the whole desktop. |
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| 03:17.38 | Titan8990 | kripz, easy way would be to run lynx in a screen |
| 03:18.38 | kripz | Titan8990, not after a web browser. I want to use a web browser to view a window that is x forwarded. Some computers dont have ssh or putty available. |
| 03:18.39 | \amethyst | kripz: you could run an X session with no desktop environment or window manager, just the single program with a window the same size as the VNC session's screen |
| 03:18.44 | Dominicus | What is the service(s) that I need to install/setup/configure to enable printing from one debian box to another debian box, and from one windows OS to a debian box? |
| 03:19.18 | kibombo | would like to know where installation instructions are for installing from within an existing distro |
| 03:20.14 | Titan8990 | !debootstrap |
| 03:20.14 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. Be aware that debootstrap can't include packages involving non-required Pre-Depends (e.g. `--include=linux-image-686' will fail), see #487908 in the <BTS>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 03:20.42 | kibombo | ty Titan8990 |
| 03:20.47 | Titan8990 | np |
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| 03:22.27 | adi_ | i try to execute a shell script using ./myscript.sh and it doesn't. But when i try bash myscript.sh it does |
| 03:22.32 | adi_ | why's that ? |
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| 03:23.37 | godlygeek | adi_: does the script start with #!/bin/bash ? is it chmod +x ? |
| 03:23.49 | adi_ | yes it has execute rights |
| 03:24.03 | Linux-IRC | If i type "sudo aptitude install kde" in Debian Lenny which version of KDE will be installed? KDE 4.1 ? |
| 03:24.09 | adi_ | and it does start with #!bin/bash |
| 03:24.24 | adi_ | #!/bin/bash even |
| 03:24.34 | Dominicus | adi_: As lame as it sounds, it sounds totally like liek it's in your path, but you're not in the same directory as the script when you try to execute it. |
| 03:25.35 | adi_ | hmm |
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| 03:27.07 | adi_ | alright, i typed #!bin/bash. my bad |
| 03:27.10 | arvind_khadri | how do i comment the whole of a bash script at one single go? |
| 03:27.50 | Linux-IRC | If i type "sudo aptitude install kde" in Debian Lenny which version of KDE will be installed? KDE 4.1 ? |
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| 03:28.41 | Dominicus | Linux-IRC: No. you'll end up with the 3.x. |
| 03:30.12 | cast | Linux-IRC: aptitude show kde suggests an answer |
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| 03:31.26 | Dominicus | Linux-IRC: you'll want to use "sudo aptitude install kde-full", for some reason the kde dev team did something different with 4.x. So just refer to kde-full for the 4.x. |
| 03:31.59 | Linux-IRC | Dominicus: So why is the output of dpkg -l | grep kde is like this now ? http://pastebin.com/m4c3a0a3f |
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| 03:35.02 | Dominicus | Linux-IRC: And you can verify what version is install by changing the "install" to "show". And i'm not sure about the "dpkg -l | grep kde", but kde-fulll is what i used a few months ago to get kde4.x. Although there's some weird redraw glitching going on with it for me. So, i just stopped using it and switched to Gnome *sigh*. |
| 03:35.56 | Linux-IRC | Dominicus: Did you install kde-4.0 or kde-4.1? |
| 03:37.04 | Dominicus | Linux-IRC: You have to use that show argument to see what lenny will give you. Because I'm primarily running out of testing. And testing has 4.2.2. |
| 03:38.31 | Linux-IRC | Dominicus: I get this result http://pastebin.com/m201f93cf after sudo aptitude show kde |
| 03:38.48 | Dominicus | Linux-IRC: Oh, now that's just WEIRD. I used "sudo aptitude -t stable show kde-full" and it shows me 4.3.0, and when i do "sudo aptitude -t testing show kde-full" it shows me kde 4.2.2. WTH |
| 03:39.06 | gaintsura | :( I hate kopete AND pidgin |
| 03:39.34 | Rusty1 | n |
| 03:39.42 | Dominicus | Did i miss something? Isn't the repositories supposed to migrate from experimentall --> unstable --> testing --> stable, and NOT skip repository levels? |
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| 03:40.34 | cast | Dominicus: that sounds right |
| 03:40.44 | Linux-IRC | Dominicus: I get this E: Unable to locate package kde-full |
| 03:40.55 | Dominicus | cast: Then why am i getting what i'm getting. LOL |
| 03:41.00 | cast | Dominicus: those, presumably you mean packages and not repositories |
| 03:41.02 | Linux-IRC | Dominicus: E: Unable to locate package kde-full all time |
| 03:41.12 | gaintsura | Dominicus: but sometimes things get the 'WOM seal (Works on mine) of approval |
| 03:41.49 | Dominicus | Linux-IRC: Use "packages.debian.org" drop in kde-full to search ALL repositories. it might be in testing or higher. Point is, it'll tell you what repository it is in, without having to monkey with your apt server config file. |
| 03:42.43 | Dominicus | cast: Yes, I did mean the packages should migrate from repository to repository after having been stable for a certain amount of time, last i knew. |
| 03:43.47 | simonrvn | Dominicus: no. experimental isn't part of that |
| 03:44.23 | Dominicus | simonrvn: ok, then experimental is just a big fat sandbox. That's right. |
| 03:44.30 | simonrvn | Dominicus: and testing *becomes* stable, nothing enters stable (with exceptions) |
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| 03:46.51 | Linux-IRC | Dominicus: kde 4.2 in squeeze http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/kde/ |
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| 03:47.15 | Dominicus | simonrvn: testing becoming stable is on the 24 month cycle, and is being proposed to be on a 18 month cycle to match canonical for development syncronization convenience, per Mark Shuttleworth's suggestion. |
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| 03:48.15 | simonrvn | couldn't cae less what a rich white man thinks about that |
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| 03:50.14 | gaintsura | !ping |
| 03:50.14 | dpkg | Yes, gaintsura, you are online. |
| 03:50.19 | gaintsura | :S |
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| 03:52.53 | Loafers | Will ubuntu .deb packages work on Debian? |
| 03:52.59 | Loafers | Such as themes |
| 03:53.38 | Dominicus | Loafers: My little bit of experience, is that Ubuntu .deb package installs in Debian are a crapshoot. |
| 03:53.57 | Linux-IRC | !ping |
| 03:53.57 | dpkg | Yes, linux-irc, you are online. |
| 03:54.11 | Linux-IRC | , |
| 03:54.15 | Loafers | Dominicus, ok so it would be better to get the tar.gz file? |
| 03:54.17 | cast | if you come in here saying you installed an ubuntu package, you won't get a positive response, which is reason enough not to |
| 03:54.21 | Linux-IRC | ,squeeze |
| 03:54.30 | Linux-IRC | !squeeze |
| 03:54.30 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 03:55.35 | Dominicus | Loafers: But, if you can install them, give them a try. Just uninstall it if there's an issue. I'm pretty sure it's preferable, but it may not be "debian" enough. Sometimes those .tar.gz installs are hard to remoove cleanly, if at all. |
| 03:55.51 | Dominicus | Loafers: I don't know hot to beyond that, I've never put the time into it. |
| 03:55.58 | Loafers | Dominicus, thanks, you read my mind |
| 03:56.22 | Linux-IRC | How can i install java-plugin for browser? |
| 03:56.39 | Linux-IRC | !kde |
| 03:56.40 | dpkg | [kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get KDE, ask me about <install kde>. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 03:57.02 | Dominicus | Loafers: I say they're not debian enough, as it's preferable to create packages from the tar.gz install stuff, but that's the part I have no experience with. i rely on the Debian developers for all this cool software gadgetry that I enjoy so much. |
| 03:57.26 | Loafers | Dominicus, Same. I can't stand loose files from tar.gz |
| 03:58.17 | Loafers | Linux-IRC, sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin |
| 03:58.31 | Linux-IRC | After downloading jre-6u16-linux-i586.bin where would i put it to install? in /usr/lib or in /home/user ? |
| 03:58.52 | Loafers | Linux-IRC, You don't need to download the file from the website, just run my command and it'll take care of everything |
| 03:59.00 | markybob | !java package |
| 03:59.00 | dpkg | [java-package] This <contrib> package provides the ability to generate Debian packages of manually downloaded Java distributions (JRE or JDK). For further details, read the make-jpkg man page, http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage and http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 . Also ask me about <java> and <install java>. |
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| 04:01.50 | godlygeek | well, on the off chance that any other Sid users come in here complaining that their system is completely unusable because gdm locks up, it may well be because xserver-xorg-video-intel=2:2.8.1-1 isn't working properly on some (at least, my!) hardware, but it's possible to build a working 2.7.1 deb using the source files found https://launchpad.net/debian/sid/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/2:2.7.1-1 |
| 04:02.16 | Linux-IRC | Loafers: Why does browser prompt me to install java plugins http://pastebin.com/m5f9ed4ec |
| 04:02.27 | godlygeek | and i am happily no longer stuck with the vesa driver. ^_^ |
| 04:03.03 | Titan8990 | Linux-IRC, run: update-java-alternatives |
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| 04:04.23 | Titan8990 | Linux-IRC, update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun |
| 04:05.07 | Loafers | Hmm I never remember doing that, Sun-java6-plugin was always listed for me |
| 04:05.17 | Linux-IRC | Titan8990: bash: update-java-alternatives: command not found |
| 04:05.33 | Loafers | Linux-IRC, sudo update-java-alternatives |
| 04:06.02 | Titan8990 | in which case is sudo installed by default in debian? |
| 04:06.04 | faffi | Hey guys, i'm running lvm with dm-crypted hard drives and when I boot my computer cant find the lvms. I accidentally removed the +x flag from my modprobe binary so I tried fixing it by live booting another distro, decrypt and mounting my lv's and changing the flag on modprobe then using update-initramfs to update the file so it could modprobe. I think I need to generate a new initrd image and make sure that the lvm module is inside |
| 04:06.40 | Loafers | Titan8990, Dunno, I just used the netinst method |
| 04:06.54 | Titan8990 | Loafers, and you ended up with sudo? |
| 04:07.05 | Linux-IRC | Loafers: Titan8990: After sudo update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun result: update-java-alternatives: directory does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
| 04:07.06 | Loafers | Titan8990, had to add myself to sudoers first |
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| 04:07.37 | Titan8990 | Lingus, update-java-alternatives --list |
| 04:07.56 | Titan8990 | Loafers, its odd, i have never used sudo on a debian system |
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| 04:08.22 | Loafers | Titan8990, yeah i remember using debian in the past without sudo |
| 04:08.49 | Loafers | Titan8990, but just installed lenny yesterday and it had it with it. It was netinst usb method |
| 04:09.09 | Linux-IRC | Titan8990: java-6-openjdk 1061 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk after sudo update-java-alternatives --list |
| 04:09.14 | Titan8990 | Loafers, with desktop package? |
| 04:09.38 | Loafers | Titan8990, don't think so, i used the small cd one |
| 04:09.57 | Titan8990 | Linux-IRC, oh, you probably need to install sun java, didn't look at the pastebin good enough |
| 04:10.30 | godlygeek | sun-java6-* |
| 04:10.31 | Titan8990 | Loafers, it downloads packages from the internet, you select package groups via taskel during installation of netinst |
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| 04:10.51 | Loafers | Titan8990, yeah that's what i did |
| 04:10.56 | Titan8990 | godlygeek, only jre is required for nsplugin |
| 04:11.25 | Linux-IRC | If i wont to install manually after downloading where would i put jre-6u16-linux-i586.bin ? |
| 04:11.39 | Linux-IRC | If i want to install manually after downloading where would i put jre-6u16-linux-i586.bin ? |
| 04:11.54 | godlygeek | Titan8990: not sun-java6-plugin? |
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| 04:12.18 | godlygeek | i can see -bin and -jdk being left off, but it seems like you'd need -jre and -plugin |
| 04:12.29 | Titan8990 | godlygeek, yeah, your right |
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| 04:12.39 | Linux-IRC | Why is openjdk not enough as a java plugin for a browser? |
| 04:13.00 | Titan8990 | jre isn't even required |
| 04:13.14 | Loafers | Linux-IRC, cuz its free :D |
| 04:13.17 | Titan8990 | Linux-IRC, i have never had much luck with non-sun implementations of java |
| 04:13.28 | NekawA | is starting to think he'll never get this working |
| 04:13.35 | Loafers | Linux-IRC, er meant OS |
| 04:13.40 | faffi | How do you create an initrd file? |
| 04:13.47 | godlygeek | likewise with flash - gnash is nice, but just doesn't work often enough... |
| 04:13.55 | Dominicus | WOW. So, I entered "sudo aptitude -t stable show kde-full", and because it didn't exist in stable, in auto defaulted to referencing unstable. I have access to unstable, testing, and stable repositories, but I'm pinned to testing. That's just weeird. |
| 04:14.13 | Loafers | Tried to install flash from backports but still can't play youtube vids. Says i need version 10, but i have it installed... |
| 04:14.27 | Titan8990 | Dominicus, you don't need root to show |
| 04:14.29 | Linux-IRC | Titan8990: I have been prompt to manually install jre-6u16-linux-i586.bin by a website? |
| 04:15.01 | Titan8990 | Linux-IRC, what version of debian are you using? |
| 04:15.10 | Loafers | Linux-IRC, All you need to do is: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin |
| 04:15.17 | Linux-IRC | Titan8990: Debian Lenny 5.0.2 |
| 04:15.23 | godlygeek | Loafers: probably just need to update your flash alternative.. |
| 04:15.36 | Titan8990 | Linux-IRC, do you have backports in your sources? |
| 04:15.52 | Loafers | godlygeek, from official website? |
| 04:15.58 | Linux-IRC | Titan8990: Yes |
| 04:16.03 | godlygeek | Loafers: sudo update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so would be the command in sid, not sure if it was alternative-ized by lenny, though... |
| 04:16.25 | Loafers | godlygeek, k |
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| 04:17.10 | Linux-IRC | godlygeek: There is only 1 program which provides flash-mozilla.so |
| 04:17.11 | Linux-IRC | (/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so). Nothing to configure. |
| 04:17.11 | Linux-IRC | after running that command you gave |
| 04:17.14 | Dominicus | Titan8990: Yeah, i know. but I'm so use to using sudo for updating, installing, removing, purging, and upgrading, that I just do it out of habit for that command. |
| 04:17.23 | overvod | hey how do I pass mousepoll=2 to usbhid on boot in debian? |
| 04:17.38 | Linux-IRC | godlygeek: There is only 1 program which provides flash-mozilla.so |
| 04:17.39 | Linux-IRC | (/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so). Nothing to configure. |
| 04:17.45 | streuner_ | overvod: /etc/modules |
| 04:17.47 | overvod | ideally on initial load so the mouse already gets it |
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| 04:18.08 | overvod | streuner_, thanks i'll see if it's easy :) |
| 04:18.11 | Titan8990 | Dominicus, might as well sudo -i |
| 04:18.33 | overvod | streuner_, I actually already have a line there and it's not getting passed |
| 04:19.09 | godlygeek | Linux-IRC: hm. i have to choose between that and swfdec-mozilla |
| 04:19.17 | overvod | streuner_, usbhid mousepoll=2 |
| 04:19.23 | overvod | I have that in /etc/modules |
| 04:19.44 | overvod | but when I check the current parameters it shows up as zero |
| 04:21.07 | overvod | and when I check polling it's definitely set to default |
| 04:21.13 | Dominicus | Titan8990: Even after looking at the man page for "sudo -i", i'm not sure what that argument even does for sudo. lol |
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| 04:22.05 | Titan8990 | Dominicus, root shell, same as su |
| 04:22.31 | Titan8990 | Dominicus, equivalent of sudo su |
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| 04:23.52 | rares | anyone got xorg to behave while using the intel 2.8.1 driver |
| 04:26.12 | godlygeek | well, on the off chance that any other Sid users come in here complaining that their system is completely unusable because gdm locks up, it may well be because xserver-xorg-video-intel=2:2.8.1-1 isn't working properly on some (at least, my!) hardware, but it's possible to build a working 2.7.1 deb using the source files found https://launchpad.net/debian/sid/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/2:2.7.1-1 |
| 04:26.42 | Dominicus | Titan8990: Titan8990 I stopped entering root environments about a year ago. In theory, it keeps me from breaking my box more than I normally do. =) But, I've never had a reason to even "sudo su" or "su -". I'm not sure what the point really is. The closest I ever used to get was "sudo bash". Eh. |
| 04:26.47 | overvod | streuner_, I think I found the answer |
| 04:26.55 | overvod | it's supposed to go in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 04:26.56 | godlygeek | rares: also, see Bug#469706 - not sure if that's where my problems *belong*, but that's where i filed them. ;-) |
| 04:27.23 | Titan8990 | Dominicus, ehh, i keep a between 1-3 root shells open at all times, bad habit |
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| 04:33.09 | godlygeek | hm. off to try running intel_gpu_dump, bbiaf |
| 04:33.24 | Titan8990 | !tell The_Eccentric about install it |
| 04:33.57 | streuner_ | hm, kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/vg0-root ro vga=794 usbhid.mousepoll=1 |
| 04:33.59 | Dominicus | Titan8990: I used to do the same thing with "sudo bash". It IS a tough habit to break. But, so long as sudo doesn't break, or my box requires single user mode, I'm able to everything done with that wonderful "sudo" command. While not committing the epic admin no no of those evil root shells. Plus, my kids like to jam on my keyboard. the last thing i need is them wiping out my box using typos. |
| 04:34.44 | Titan8990 | Dominicus, well, i defiantly do too much as root to sudo every command, but i shouldn't leave shells open |
| 04:35.21 | Loafers | Why is wifi on debian so slow? How to tweak for noobs like me? |
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| 04:37.23 | cast | wifi, notoriously painful |
| 04:37.35 | diabolix | how do I get gcc |
| 04:37.43 | diabolix | gcc's man page, rather. |
| 04:37.55 | bpun | diabolix, huh? |
| 04:38.02 | bpun | diabolix, wtf? |
| 04:38.13 | diabolix | bpun, I wan't to install the man page for gcc. |
| 04:38.13 | cast | gcc-doc: /usr/share/man/man1/gcc.1.gz |
| 04:38.15 | bpun | diabolix, man gcc |
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| 04:38.50 | diabolix | E: Package gcc-doc has no installation candidate |
| 04:39.17 | purplepenguins | have you installed gcc? |
| 04:39.20 | diabolix | yes. |
| 04:39.27 | purplepenguins | and 'man gcc' gives nothing? |
| 04:39.34 | cast | it's in contrib/doc |
| 04:39.36 | Loafers | diabolix, I guess it might be this: gcc-4.3-doc |
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| 04:39.47 | purplepenguins | ah, docs not included |
| 04:39.48 | Loafers | man gcc doesn't work he's right |
| 04:40.13 | bpun | diabolix, apt-file search /usr/share/man/man1/gcc-4.3.1.gz |
| 04:40.39 | bpun | strange.. |
| 04:40.44 | Loafers | Why is debian's wifi soooo bad :( compared to others |
| 04:40.51 | bpun | here its in non-free for me (for gcc-4.3-doc) |
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| 04:41.00 | cast | keep in mind debian declared some GFDL docs to be non-free |
| 04:41.11 | bpun | apt-cache policy gcc-4.3-doc tells me this |
| 04:41.29 | bpun | he probably doesn't have non-free in his repo setting |
| 04:41.35 | bpun | !non-free |
| 04:41.35 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:41.44 | Loafers | Here is my search for wifi debian lol: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=39397#p235602 |
| 04:41.57 | Loafers | How depressing |
| 04:42.01 | diabolix | whoa. seriousely? gccs man-page. crazy. |
| 04:42.28 | bpun | cast, why would gcc's manpage be in nonfree? i'd like to read up about it.. |
| 04:42.41 | Titan8990 | diabolix, all gnu docs are considered non-free in debian |
| 04:42.50 | Loafers | Titan8990, why is that? |
| 04:42.57 | Titan8990 | there is a bot command that tells about it but i don't recall which command |
| 04:43.02 | Titan8990 | !gnu |
| 04:43.02 | dpkg | it has been said that gnu is a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System, its homepage is at http://gnu.org |
| 04:43.06 | Titan8990 | !gnu doc |
| 04:43.07 | cast | bpun: dunno specifically about the man page, but GNU likes to use GFDL for its docs, which can have a unmodifable section, |
| 04:43.12 | cast | !gfdl |
| 04:43.12 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html. See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 04:43.13 | bpun | !gfdl like cast mentioned... |
| 04:43.17 | Titan8990 | there it is |
| 04:43.18 | Loafers | unmodifiable section |
| 04:43.35 | Loafers | jeez debian so strict |
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| 04:44.26 | diabolix | it strikes me as insane that the FSF releases something that debian considers non-free. but now I know why I can never get man-pages in debian. |
| 04:44.34 | bpun | Loafers, i think i see an advantage for gcc doc.. a compiling doc should be strict.. |
| 04:45.09 | cast | personally i'd rather they went into main, and we didn't have firmware blobs, but oh well. now i have to have non-free, to grab glibc-doc-reference etc... |
| 04:45.37 | cast | better to be too strict than too lax :) |
| 04:45.44 | purplepenguins | non-free is at worst venial sin in linux |
| 04:45.56 | Loafers | true |
| 04:46.15 | cast | in linux i don't imagine many would mind, in gnu however..;P |
| 04:46.25 | Titan8990 | i personally don't mind mixing free and proprietary software |
| 04:46.35 | Titan8990 | both have their advantages |
| 04:47.07 | cast | quite a lot of the problems in here are due to people trying to use proprietary software [namely flash, nvidia] |
| 04:47.31 | purplepenguins | i like proprietary blobs when they work |
| 04:47.35 | purplepenguins | i try to keep them limited |
| 04:47.47 | purplepenguins | to just firmware and video drivers |
| 04:47.56 | purplepenguins | though i used opera for a time |
| 04:48.02 | diabolix | the only problem is that you are helpless when they don't work. |
| 04:48.07 | Titan8990 | i haven't had a problem with nvidia binary drivers since i started with linux |
| 04:48.08 | purplepenguins | yes, that is the problem |
| 04:48.26 | purplepenguins | and why you should try to keep it down |
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| 04:48.26 | Titan8990 | but opera have given me problems |
| 04:48.26 | cast | i find it easiest to buy agreeable hardware :) |
| 04:48.26 | purplepenguins | nvidia drivers were bad in 2005 but they're great now |
| 04:49.00 | purplepenguins | and some people have no choice but to use firmware blobs since no workaround is available |
| 04:49.24 | cast | people always have a choice yo ;P |
| 04:49.40 | purplepenguins | not if you have some odd wifi chip |
| 04:50.08 | purplepenguins | barring changing hardware, and that really is more trouble than using binary firmware blobs |
| 04:50.10 | Titan8990 | i buy hardware based on compatibility and others should too |
| 04:50.18 | Titan8990 | so all my wireless is atheros |
| 04:50.24 | purplepenguins | some people don't have the foresight |
| 04:50.31 | purplepenguins | i bought atheros because i did |
| 04:50.41 | cast | i find replacing hardware can often be less trouble, like replacing my lucent winmodem with a real modem |
| 04:50.57 | purplepenguins | but my friend had been gifted a dell laptop and it's not worth the trouble to replace the broadcom chip |
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| 04:51.07 | diabolix | intel wireless works well. |
| 04:51.11 | Titan8990 | would be to me |
| 04:51.17 | Loafers | wireless sux |
| 04:51.19 | Titan8990 | diabolix, i have seen bugs in the intel drivers |
| 04:51.22 | overvod | Hello! I'm ready to switch to a concurrent boot process. I've already got dependency boot in place, how do I change to concurrent boot? |
| 04:51.34 | cast | my intel video seems to work pretty sweetly :) |
| 04:51.35 | Titan8990 | diabolix, dropping and reconnecting specifically |
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| 04:52.01 | diabolix | i have seen that in my macbook, but then again I've seen the same issue in OS X. |
| 04:52.05 | cast | [i second Loafers, wireless does suck.] |
| 04:52.48 | Loafers | time to uninstall debian, farewell and thanks for your help |
| 04:53.00 | Titan8990 | Loafers, in favor of what? |
| 04:53.15 | Loafers | Titan8990, its a bad word in here |
| 04:53.24 | diabolix | solaris? |
| 04:53.32 | Titan8990 | no, ubuntu is the bad word in here |
| 04:53.37 | Loafers | :) |
| 04:53.45 | Titan8990 | !gentoosmite Loafers |
| 04:53.45 | dpkg | spends 8 weeks recompiling Loafers, and when it's all done, Loafers runs 0.8% faster than previously |
| 04:53.57 | Loafers | I really like debian for its stability |
| 04:54.08 | diabolix | speaking of Sun, whats Ian up to now? Or does nobody know? |
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| 04:54.31 | kosmic | they found him tangled ina fishnet |
| 04:54.42 | Titan8990 | oracle bought them? i have have my first ultasparc server on order atm :) |
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| 04:56.05 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 04:56.06 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 04:57.02 | Loafers | solaris bad? |
| 04:57.11 | diabolix | solaris good. |
| 04:57.24 | diabolix | best commercial OS out there, IMHO. |
| 04:57.35 | bpun | ubuntu sucks! |
| 04:58.04 | bpun | diabolix, there's open solaris, and it sucks too! |
| 04:58.18 | diabolix | open solaris does suck. |
| 04:58.21 | Loafers | bpun, why does ubuntu suck? |
| 04:58.30 | bpun | Loafers, cuse it sucks! |
| 04:58.37 | Loafers | good reason, i agree |
| 04:58.44 | kosmic | what are the debian devs in cahoots with canonical with |
| 04:58.50 | cast | solaris has crap software management :(, hopefully open solaris is well on the way to fixing that |
| 04:59.37 | diabolix | honestly, the fact that solaris has no management is why I like it. but dissing the concept of a package manager is probably a bad idea in a debian channel. |
| 04:59.46 | Loafers | lol |
| 05:04.19 | Loafers | arch any good? |
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| 05:05.01 | cast | arch users like it. |
| 05:05.10 | godlygeek | arch doesn't use alternatives, which makes it little more than a toy, imho. and, for at least some major packages, the maintainers seem quite clueless... |
| 05:05.24 | godlygeek | the vim maintainer, in particular, knows nothing about vim. |
| 05:05.30 | Loafers | ic |
| 05:05.58 | purplepenguins | arch is great |
| 05:06.08 | purplepenguins | if you have an x86 system |
| 05:06.43 | purplepenguins | or amd64 |
| 05:07.15 | godlygeek | it seems that the entire premise for the distro is "package management systems are unnecessarily complex in other distros"... and that usually means that the person with that belief just doesn't understand the necessity of the complexity. |
| 05:09.15 | purplepenguins | the premise of arch is a simple x86/amd64 linux system with rolling releases and a combination of a competent package manager and a ports-like source package management system |
| 05:09.50 | diabolix | I didn't really like arch, it seems to occupy some undesirable niche between gentoo and slackware. |
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| 05:10.31 | cast | me, i just started using debian 6 or 7 years ago and haven't found any compelling reason to change to anything else :D |
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| 05:10.33 | purplepenguins | arch is most like BSD of any linux distro i used |
| 05:10.49 | diabolix | have you used slackware? |
| 05:10.54 | purplepenguins | no |
| 05:10.56 | NekawA | i'm so frustrated i'm never gonna get these couple KDE apps to run in gnome like they're supposed to |
| 05:11.03 | cast | hey Gun_Smoke |
| 05:11.11 | Gun_Smoke | howdy |
| 05:11.21 | Gun_Smoke | what you been up to? |
| 05:11.23 | purplepenguins | pacman is a lot easier to use than any of the BSD package managers though |
| 05:11.35 | cast | bit of this, bit of that :) |
| 05:11.38 | purplepenguins | since I've never used AUR i can't compare it to ports |
| 05:11.44 | Gun_Smoke | nice.. |
| 05:11.59 | Gun_Smoke | here for sound issue ideas.. |
| 05:11.59 | diabolix | slackware and BSD are very close. in fact, if you install FreeBSD slackware's installer will look strangely familiar too you. |
| 05:12.40 | purplepenguins | i thought bout trying slackware but the stolid reliance on the 2.4 kernel long after everyone else switched to 2.6 kept me away |
| 05:12.41 | diabolix | I believe the devs used to swap scripts regualarly. |
| 05:12.42 | Titan8990 | gentoo is more like bsd than slackware |
| 05:12.48 | Titan8990 | minus installation |
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| 05:13.10 | purplepenguins | gentoo isn't really much like anything |
| 05:13.18 | purplepenguins | ebuilds are kinda like ports |
| 05:13.22 | purplepenguins | but on steroids |
| 05:13.30 | Gun_Smoke | I like gentoo.. But debian has hooks that just bring everyone back :) |
| 05:13.56 | diabolix | I'm only using debian because of the company I work for, and my VPS service. |
| 05:13.59 | purplepenguins | i used gentoo for a while and learned a lot about how linux worked |
| 05:14.08 | Titan8990 | there is the bsd/gentoo project too, but also gentoo uses a bsd style configs /etc/rc.conf/<config files> |
| 05:14.12 | purplepenguins | but i grew too tired of it |
| 05:14.16 | purplepenguins | does it? |
| 05:14.22 | purplepenguins | the last time i used gentoo it used sysvinit |
| 05:14.42 | purplepenguins | arch uses the monolithic rc.conf |
| 05:15.11 | Titan8990 | sorry.. it use /etc/rc.conf and /etc/conf.d/<config files> |
| 05:15.22 | diabolix | I hated sysv when I first saw it, but it has grown on me. |
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| 05:15.31 | diabolix | sysv init, that is. |
| 05:15.40 | purplepenguins | in a way vaguely analogous to the way OpenBSD's rc.conf is used |
| 05:15.45 | mhymn | guys, please, keep it less offtopic, as topic suggests too |
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| 05:16.49 | Gun_Smoke | mhymn, alright.. Debian Sid.. I was attempting to configure the modem and now I have no sound.. alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory Ideas? |
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| 05:17.07 | Gun_Smoke | purged reinstalled with same results. |
| 05:17.46 | mhymn | Gun_Smoke: /msg dpkg sound |
| 05:21.46 | Gun_Smoke | yeah.. nothing there.. Been though all that. |
| 05:22.04 | xeon-enouf | Gun_Smoke: pgrep udevd returns a $PID? |
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| 05:22.29 | xeon-enouf | Gun_Smoke: cat /proc/asound/cards lists your soundcard? |
| 05:23.26 | Gun_Smoke | xeon-enouf, pgrep does return a pid, and /proc/asound/cards does not exist |
| 05:23.56 | xeon-enouf | ~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [I82801BAICH2 ]: ICH - Intel 82801BA-ICH2 |
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| 05:24.42 | Gun_Smoke | humm.. |
| 05:25.23 | xeon-enouf | since after Lenny, alsaconf is gone .. it's all done auto now through HAL and such, no idea how that works |
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| 05:25.52 | cast | scary, i don't use hal D: |
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| 05:26.05 | xeon-enouf | cast: don't ever upgrade! |
| 05:26.08 | xeon-enouf | :-p |
| 05:26.14 | cast | or, at east, that hal daemon thing |
| 05:26.21 | xeon-enouf | your X will break too ... eventually :-) |
| 05:26.51 | cast | i don't like having a million things running in the bg :\ |
| 05:27.07 | cast | gconf2, dbus, hal, etc.. |
| 05:27.32 | xeon-enouf | indeed (though they don't use resources if not used) |
| 05:27.36 | Gun_Smoke | I saw some griping on debian-user about hal. I have not read into it much been pretty busy lately with class starting again |
| 05:27.51 | purplepenguins | what's wrong with hal? |
| 05:28.16 | ajavid | installing kde 4.3.1 on sid |
| 05:28.18 | xeon-enouf | Redmond had it first? |
| 05:28.26 | xeon-enouf | hides |
| 05:29.17 | Gun_Smoke | lol.. I saw some very pissed off comments on debian-user.. like "What asshole thought it was a good idea to..... |
| 05:29.18 | bpun | notices that tux is playing hide and seek with xeon |
| 05:29.21 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: nobody cares about what you install .. and even less care about kde :-P |
| 05:29.29 | ajavid | in stable |
| 05:29.31 | ajavid | sorry |
| 05:29.45 | ajavid | thats why I said it, other wise its no special stuff installing kde in sid |
| 05:29.46 | ajavid | duh |
| 05:29.54 | Gun_Smoke | kde is sort of a sorry project.. |
| 05:29.55 | ajavid | :) |
| 05:30.01 | ajavid | you're a sorry project! |
| 05:30.02 | ajavid | shaddup |
| 05:30.03 | bpun | xeon-enouf, really, alsaconf is kapoot? hmm thats interesting.. |
| 05:30.10 | ajavid | kapoot! :) |
| 05:30.12 | ajavid | hahaha |
| 05:30.14 | xeon-enouf | Gun_Smoke: sounds like something i'd post |
| 05:30.15 | ajavid | caput |
| 05:30.26 | Gun_Smoke | lol. |
| 05:30.34 | xeon-enouf | !tias bpun |
| 05:30.37 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, you run calculators, shaddup |
| 05:30.38 | xeon-enouf | !tias |
| 05:30.38 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See"... or what you could have done first. |
| 05:30.48 | diabolix | having things like hal basically makes the system like a microkernel. |
| 05:30.52 | mnuhmnuh | !dpkg uwm |
| 05:30.59 | Gun_Smoke | I mean kde blasted it user base the exact same way MS did with vista.. |
| 05:31.00 | ajavid | !dpkgbot |
| 05:31.00 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 05:31.04 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: very fine, well tuned calculators! |
| 05:31.19 | ajavid | Gun_Smoke, go diss kde somewhere else, this is not the place for it. |
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| 05:31.39 | xeon-enouf | yeah, only *i* can do it! |
| 05:31.52 | bpun | xeon-enouf, it sounds like various device settings are heading to the dbus system.. |
| 05:32.12 | bpun | xeon-enouf, i guess hal and dbus are geeko related in terminology somewhere... |
| 05:32.15 | Gun_Smoke | ajavid, Oh I'm not 'dissn' kde. more less stating some obvious things that did happen. |
| 05:32.17 | lafrance | KDE ? Keep Dieing E ? |
| 05:32.18 | xeon-enouf | bpun: it all stems from freedesktop.org and DEs... |
| 05:32.28 | ajavid | I'm getting the packages directly from sid, putting on stable! |
| 05:32.30 | bpun | xeon-enouf, networking i know already has with networkmanager |
| 05:32.40 | ajavid | I'm mixing sid and stable |
| 05:32.51 | Gun_Smoke | hate backports? |
| 05:32.52 | bpun | xeon-enouf, i dont think necessarily means u need to use DE in order to use dbus |
| 05:32.59 | ajavid | Gun_Smoke, haha! gotcha! |
| 05:33.13 | Gun_Smoke | ? |
| 05:33.17 | ajavid | Gun_Smoke, no, I have a ~/sid-i386-chroot (directory) |
| 05:33.28 | Gun_Smoke | .. |
| 05:33.32 | ajavid | same user, diff home |
| 05:33.39 | xeon-enouf | it's the best the most brilliant minds in the FSF world can come up with to fully support "hotpluggability" |
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| 05:33.53 | ajavid | I run kde4 and kde3 simultaneously |
| 05:33.56 | ajavid | its nice. |
| 05:34.07 | xeon-enouf | bpun: no DE, no need for dbus |
| 05:34.10 | ajavid | stable kde3 desktop base, kde4 apps from sid in a chroot |
| 05:34.23 | xeon-enouf | dwheels on dbus go round and round ,,, |
| 05:34.25 | Gun_Smoke | so I'm up the creek on sound.. |
| 05:34.28 | ajavid | safe, non crashy stuff, don't have to jeapordize my stable system/desktop in order to check out the debian kde |
| 05:34.31 | ajavid | I hate kubuntu |
| 05:34.36 | ajavid | will not use kubuntu to check out kde4 |
| 05:34.46 | ajavid | will setup chroot and check it in debian |
| 05:34.52 | Gun_Smoke | f'ing sucks.. a clean install seems to be the fastest course of action. |
| 05:35.00 | ajavid | huh? |
| 05:35.03 | ajavid | you talking to me? |
| 05:35.10 | ajavid | why would you say that? |
| 05:35.12 | Gun_Smoke | for something so trivial.. dam. | no ranting |
| 05:35.14 | diabolix | xeon-enouf, dbus is an IPC mechanism. It is used in DE's but it doesn't have to be. There is no reason why a CLI program shouldn't use dbus. |
| 05:35.16 | ajavid | thats a defeatuest atitude |
| 05:35.19 | ajavid | bad bad bad |
| 05:35.24 | ajavid | c'mon bro you can figure this out |
| 05:35.37 | lafrance | anyone know why I get this error msg when upgrading http://www.pastebin.ca/1555801 |
| 05:35.58 | xeon-enouf | diabolix: that has no relevance to what i've said |
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| 05:36.26 | diabolix | xeon-enouf, ok. |
| 05:36.42 | bpun | diabolix, i'm guessing what xeon-enouf is trying to figure out is what things are now replacing alsaconf.. it's probably dbus related.. |
| 05:37.02 | xeon-enouf | HAL+Dbus+udev |
| 05:37.23 | diabolix | along with 20 competing front-ends. |
| 05:37.29 | xeon-enouf | how it all works. and how to fix it when it's broken is what i want to know |
| 05:37.55 | Gun_Smoke | lafrance, I think it pretty well explains itself. email the author is you have more questions? |
| 05:38.07 | bpun | it would be nice if there can be some sort of add-ons for audio-- like equalizers, or plugin subwoofer tweakies |
| 05:38.40 | lafrance | oh did not notice that thanks poor eye sight too here :( |
| 05:38.40 | Gun_Smoke | isn't that what pulse it headed towards? |
| 05:38.56 | Gun_Smoke | happens to the best |
| 05:39.06 | brutus | how do I set global shortcuts like play/pause for rhythmbox? |
| 05:39.10 | xeon-enouf | this channel finally got down some nice factoids <alsa checklist> , <soundcheck> , <etc> .. then they go and change the way the whole thing works |
| 05:39.29 | Gun_Smoke | lafrance, might want to include a copy, that mail is almost a year old |
| 05:39.32 | bpun | xeon-enouf, and after many many years.. a wiki |
| 05:40.00 | lafrance | wow your right thanks |
| 05:40.02 | bpun | i think wikis are great... even the samba folks have 'em a wiki too |
| 05:40.58 | purplepenguins | there's a wiki for everything |
| 05:41.01 | bpun | lafrance, for every right cheek, there's a left cheek thanking it |
| 05:41.21 | xeon-enouf | s/thanking/spanking/ ? |
| 05:41.26 | lafrance | I am right hand though :/ |
| 05:41.41 | ajavid | Current status: 0 updates [-23]. |
| 05:41.41 | ajavid | sid-i386-chroot:/ ajavid@ajavid-desktop -- /proc/loadavg:/ 1.24 /home/ajavid 0 files using 46k |
| 05:41.48 | ajavid | doh |
| 05:42.00 | bpun | xeon-enouf, 3 |
| 05:43.20 | bpun | i got this irc daemon up in 2 seconds with cgiirc |
| 05:43.23 | bpun | it aint bad |
| 05:43.39 | bpun | (not public of course :) |
| 05:43.59 | diabolix | debian doesn't have a default ssh timeout does it? I |
| 05:44.08 | diabolix | I think it might just be my VPS. |
| 05:44.27 | diabolix | I get disconnected after about 2-3 minutes of inactivity. |
| 05:44.28 | bpun | diabolix, y, i blieve theres an option to lengthen the timeout |
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| 05:47.35 | xeon-enouf | /etc/ssh/ssh_config:# ConnectTimeout 0 |
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| 05:49.39 | diabolix | I think this is an issue with my VPSs router. |
| 05:49.54 | ajavid | ok |
| 05:50.11 | ajavid | trying to run kde4 in a chroot of sid in stable in Xnest is ugly |
| 05:50.20 | ajavid | it doesn't draw it correctly, stuff is weird looking |
| 05:50.46 | diabolix | why are you doing it this way? |
| 05:51.04 | ajavid | diabolix, so many reaosons... |
| 05:51.30 | ajavid | like if I do DISPLAY=1 startkde everything looks weird in Xnest :! |
| 05:51.50 | ajavid | so if I do export DISPLAY=:0 and then just launch my kde4 apps from there |
| 05:51.56 | ajavid | its fine, since its using my current X server |
| 05:52.02 | ajavid | Xnest is not drawing things correctly |
| 05:52.19 | diabolix | I guess prefixing it isn't enough isolation? and virtual box is too much? |
| 05:52.19 | ajavid | I wonder if I could start another Xserver on :1 and launch startkde there in the chroot |
| 05:52.23 | Gun_Smoke | xeon-enouf, might have found the culprit.. blacklist snd-pcsp |
| 05:52.29 | ajavid | I wonder how that might work out |
| 05:52.41 | xeon-enouf | Gun_Smoke: nah |
| 05:52.43 | Coweater | i need to rename some files during a copy to exclude characters that don't work on vfat, does anyone know a file manager or command line utility that does this without changing the source filenames? |
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| 05:52.53 | xeon-enouf | !tell Gun_Smoke -about bell |
| 05:52.54 | ajavid | diabolix, I'm trying to get kde3/4 to run on the same desktop |
| 05:53.00 | ajavid | without vm/vbox |
| 05:53.10 | ajavid | so far I'm 80% successful |
| 05:53.20 | ajavid | actually if Xnest drew stuff correctly I'd be 100% good to go |
| 05:53.31 | diabolix | you wan't kde4 in a window? |
| 05:53.31 | Gun_Smoke | xeon-enouf, well.. good call. |
| 05:53.39 | ajavid | diabolix, why not |
| 05:53.54 | ajavid | im just playing around |
| 05:54.07 | ajavid | I am not really asking for support more than that im relating my experience |
| 05:54.07 | xeon-enouf | Coweater: not sure it's what you want, but midnight-commander (mc)? |
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| 05:54.15 | ajavid | perhaps someone has another idea I couuld try |
| 05:54.17 | ajavid | so thas all |
| 05:54.22 | Gun_Smoke | an hour of battery left.. after that, I'm done for the night and I'll just clean install tomorrow |
| 05:54.40 | xeon-enouf | Coweater: you have unicode issues with vfat, eh? mount options can't help? |
| 05:54.41 | ajavid | sid-i386-chroot:/ ajavid@ajavid-desktop -- /proc/loadavg:/ 1.77 /home/ajavid 0 files using 46k |
| 05:54.44 | ajavid | heh |
| 05:54.47 | ajavid | $>kdeinit4: sending SIGTERM to children. |
| 05:54.49 | ajavid | kdeinit4: Exit. |
| 05:55.00 | diabolix | ajavid, I was just trying to get an idea of what you wan't to do. |
| 05:55.01 | ajavid | doesn't work in X :1 |
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| 05:55.24 | ajavid | heh |
| 05:55.32 | ajavid | its alright, I'll just use kde4 apps :) |
| 05:55.41 | diabolix | ajavid, do you have a second x server running? |
| 05:55.42 | ajavid | I'll try amarok2 for now and new konqueror :) |
| 05:55.53 | ajavid | diabolix, yes, but kde4 won't connect to it |
| 05:56.08 | ajavid | well it does, but then immedietly it exits with sigterm |
| 05:56.15 | ajavid | like its shutting down |
| 05:56.26 | ajavid | im sure i'll figure it out |
| 05:56.29 | ajavid | is trivial. |
| 05:57.07 | ajavid | sweet |
| 05:57.22 | Coweater | xeon-enouf: um, i'm not sure, trying to move a bunch of media files with characters like ?:"! |
| 05:57.23 | ajavid | now I have plasma-desktop and kicker running at the same time on the same fucking Xserver |
| 05:57.26 | ajavid | beautiful |
| 05:57.29 | ajavid | hahaha |
| 05:57.48 | ajavid | I just started plasma-desktop to get the kde4 panel |
| 05:57.51 | lafrance | ah not ati card then :P |
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| 05:57.59 | ajavid | I think I'll put the kde4 panel on the right hand monitor |
| 05:58.19 | xeon-enouf | Coweater: cp them somewhere locally, rename them (find + sed perhaps), then mv/rsync/cp that renamed set of files |
| 05:58.23 | lafrance | dual monitor support ? |
| 05:58.37 | ajavid | haha this is awesome |
| 05:58.55 | ajavid | I got kde4 running on rightand kde3 on left monitors |
| 05:58.56 | ajavid | lol |
| 05:58.59 | xeon-enouf | !dual monitors |
| 05:58.59 | dpkg | For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, http://thinkwiki.org/Xorg_RandR_1.2. Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr>. |
| 05:59.06 | ajavid | lafrance, Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 3840 x 1080, maximum 3840 x 1080 |
| 05:59.08 | ajavid | lafrance, yes |
| 05:59.32 | lafrance | ah seen that before could not figure it out |
| 05:59.54 | ajavid | :) |
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| 06:00.05 | diabolix | its easy with nvidia. never did it with any other type of card. |
| 06:00.14 | lafrance | to much agent orange and acid in the late 60's :) |
| 06:00.29 | lafrance | ati suck for linux |
| 06:00.55 | diabolix | they both suck for different reasons. |
| 06:01.11 | lafrance | oh though nvida was great for linux |
| 06:01.29 | lafrance | just order a 1 gig nvidia card :( |
| 06:01.51 | ajavid | hm |
| 06:02.00 | diabolix | they make you install a kernel driver, I've never had an nvidia system that seemed completely stable. especially with bleeding edge hardware. |
| 06:02.20 | ajavid | kicker and kwin are running, but it seems that plasma-desktop takes over the desktop |
| 06:02.34 | ajavid | now i right click and i get plasma context menu on the desktop, not kde3's |
| 06:02.36 | ajavid | hmm. |
| 06:02.41 | lafrance | well cant be worst then ATI |
| 06:02.50 | ajavid | well at lesat I got kicker and plasma running on one screen |
| 06:03.03 | ajavid | now I can launch both kde3 and kde4 apps on my lenny desktop amd64 |
| 06:03.05 | ajavid | beautiful |
| 06:03.10 | lafrance | that is on debian right ? |
| 06:03.13 | ajavid | yes |
| 06:03.31 | lafrance | hope you upload screen shot :) |
| 06:04.00 | diabolix | that reminds me of when I started GNOME remotely on my Mac at my last job. gnome-panel at the bottom, mac bar at the top. |
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| 06:04.23 | ajavid | once i fully get it setup |
| 06:04.31 | lafrance | lol I use joomla and my http://www.joomlapraise.com/free-joomla-templates/adminpraise-lite.php panel use mac panel :) |
| 06:04.31 | diabolix | and gnome icons on the desktop, right next to mac icons. it was freaky. |
| 06:04.33 | ajavid | diabolix, this is way beyond that |
| 06:04.43 | ajavid | diabolix, I'm trying to check out kde4 effects to |
| 06:04.49 | lafrance | sorry macro for (admin) |
| 06:05.05 | ajavid | diabolix, lenny comes with xorg 7.3, not good for me, as I need the latest radeon driver in 7.4 xorg to get any kind of 3d on x1900 |
| 06:05.29 | ajavid | diabolix, I had to build xorg 7.4 from source on here, and use the sid package configurations and build scripts and rules to debianize my xorg |
| 06:05.34 | ajavid | diabolix, it was painful, but I got it |
| 06:05.48 | ajavid | diabolix, the thins we do to remain free! I refuse to use fglrx! |
| 06:06.47 | diabolix | you know, its funny. because there is a half decent nvidia driver, the free driver sucks. because ATI has such a horrible driver, the open source one is really starting to shape up. |
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| 06:07.22 | ajavid | NekawA, do not /msg me please |
| 06:07.29 | ajavid | NekawA, ask your question in here please |
| 06:07.31 | ajavid | NekawA, /topic |
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| 06:10.43 | ajavid | hmmm I wonder.. if I can use kwin from kde4 and launch it to --replace the kwin on my lenny... |
| 06:10.53 | ajavid | that way I could use kde4 desktop effects and stuff |
| 06:11.26 | ajavid | nice |
| 06:11.30 | NekawA | sry, just trying to find a little help from someone who knows something i'm quite frustrated |
| 06:12.19 | ajavid | dude... omg! |
| 06:12.28 | ajavid | holy fucking ballsacks! check this out |
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| 06:13.05 | ajavid | I started systemsettings in the sid chroot, turned on desktop effects, and then started kwin --replace in sid chroot, which replaced my running WM from kde3. Now I have wobbly windows, transparency, desktop effects |
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| 06:13.10 | ajavid | lol this is awesome |
| 06:13.11 | lafrance | my well I am a n00b please ask that way I learn too :) |
| 06:13.13 | ajavid | NekawA, sure buddy |
| 06:13.19 | lafrance | even at 57+ |
| 06:13.24 | ajavid | ask away guys |
| 06:13.35 | ajavid | thats why I'm here talking day and night :) |
| 06:13.37 | ajavid | !debstats |
| 06:13.37 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) and http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 06:13.46 | lafrance | do same in joomla |
| 06:14.02 | lafrance | ajavid, who own the bot? |
| 06:14.09 | ajavid | which bot? |
| 06:14.11 | ajavid | dpkg, ? |
| 06:14.11 | dpkg | ajavid: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 06:14.22 | ajavid | dpkg, who owns you |
| 06:14.22 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 06:14.23 | lafrance | yes dpkg |
| 06:14.42 | lafrance | ok put that nick on sticky note |
| 06:14.52 | ajavid | NekawA, yes, go ahead ask your qustion buddy |
| 06:15.08 | ajavid | NekawA, I know a little bit about desktops |
| 06:15.13 | lafrance | ah he's on my server :) |
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| 06:15.56 | lafrance | dondelelcaro, are you awake ? |
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| 06:16.16 | gast | good morning |
| 06:16.29 | lafrance | morning it is :) |
| 06:16.49 | ajavid | man, I love this new idea of mine. Have a stable KDE3/Lenny system, and run 32bit sid chroot, run kwin --replace and use kde4's cool eye candy effectified window manager :) |
| 06:17.06 | ajavid | now even all my kde3 apps and gtk apps and firefox everythign is effected |
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| 06:17.17 | lafrance | but why KDE gnome way more stable |
| 06:17.19 | ajavid | and this way, I can't jeopardize my stable system |
| 06:17.35 | ajavid | lafrance, what do you mean? |
| 06:17.42 | gast | i want to use an umts stick (19d2:2000) with umtsmon but it always screams "uuh there is another pppd process running' |
| 06:17.44 | ajavid | lafrance, we have both in stable and tons more |
| 06:17.46 | gast | any idea ? |
| 06:17.48 | ajavid | lafrance, /msg dpkg xwinman |
| 06:18.00 | NekawA | long story short, gnome's been installed (via apt-get install gnome-session), i'm trying to get new kopete going and it works if i put the repo' to unstable and update via there, but then the gnome desktop gets trashed and doesn't load, it goes blank screen, i'm just wondering what i'm doing wrong, i don't see how installing kopete / kde4 ruined gnome |
| 06:18.18 | lafrance | so many user cry with problem with KDE compare to gnome problem run gnome for pass x year always work |
| 06:18.42 | ajavid | NekawA, I just started using kde4 in sid..in a chroot, I'm a stable user, I have not touched my sid box in uhm... a few weeks actually |
| 06:18.47 | lafrance | not going to be poianio msg again is it :) |
| 06:18.52 | ajavid | NekawA, I like a stable system to get the work done, I was just playing around tonight |
| 06:19.10 | gast | has anyone of you experience with huawei umts sticks and debian? |
| 06:19.12 | ajavid | NekawA, other than that, I don't understnad what you are asking |
| 06:19.32 | ajavid | NekawA, 1) you have gnome installed (why gnome-session) /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 06:19.50 | ajavid | NekawA, 2) you are trying to use kopete, so aptitude install kopete (whats the problem) |
| 06:19.59 | NekawA | yea everything else is stable but changing repo' to unstable, doing 'apt-get install kopete' has ruined gnome, it worked before |
| 06:20.15 | ajavid | NekawA, 3) why are you updating to the unstable repo? Do not mix stable and unstable please, it is a horrible idea |
| 06:20.15 | lafrance | wow fluxbox that I use to run on debian 3 |
| 06:20.28 | NekawA | problem is that stable kopete is outdated and doesn't connect to yahoo anymore since they've changed their protocol sometimes it connects, most of the time not |
| 06:20.44 | ajavid | NekawA, you have probably toasted your system |
| 06:20.51 | NekawA | when it does connect u get an annoying message from yahoo - only reason i changed to unstable was to install kopete which the new version is in unstable |
| 06:20.55 | ajavid | heh, it would be a pain to recover probably |
| 06:21.05 | ajavid | you ended up mixing kopete from there |
| 06:21.08 | lafrance | ajavid, I hope you are using macro |
| 06:21.47 | ajavid | NekawA, you must i think leave the unstable repo in sources.list for now, and aptitude purge kopete, remove the unstable repo, aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, aptitude install kopete |
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| 06:22.00 | ajavid | NekawA, I use the kde3 kopete in stable, it maybe old, but it works, I don't need any fancy features |
| 06:22.11 | ajavid | NekawA, if it doesn't work, stick to stable and try pidgin |
| 06:22.28 | NekawA | right..i don't care about the fancy features I didn't realize it would cause so much problems to switch to unstable to install one program |
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| 06:22.29 | ajavid | NekawA, if all else fails, there is meebo and the like |
| 06:22.40 | ajavid | NekawA, one should never do that |
| 06:22.52 | ajavid | NekawA, now you know for future, try to do what I suggested, perhaps it will help |
| 06:23.03 | ajavid | NekawA, also, from now on, starting now, start using aptitude |
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| 06:23.38 | purplepenguins | switching to unstable is unwise |
| 06:23.38 | ajavid | lafrance, what is macro? |
| 06:23.47 | ajavid | purplepenguins, he didn't switch, he mixed |
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| 06:23.56 | lafrance | lol poor keyboard |
| 06:23.56 | gast | not? |
| 06:23.57 | purplepenguins | that's a lot less bad |
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| 06:24.03 | ajavid | purplepenguins, no it isn't. |
| 06:24.21 | ajavid | purplepenguins, using stable and mixing unstable will cause dependency and other issues, version mismatches, horrible breaks |
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| 06:24.29 | purplepenguins | depends on what you're doing |
| 06:24.40 | ajavid | purplepenguins, if you are using sid only, then the chances of toasting a system are only dependant upon bugs in packages |
| 06:24.43 | NekawA | thx for the recommendations i've already done that it's still messed up i don't mind reinstalling not a big deal really, guess i'll have to wait 'til kopete gets pushed into stable that'll be awhile with how kde4 is |
| 06:24.58 | purplepenguins | i did some build-pkg from sid, it didn't cause any real issues |
| 06:25.08 | ajavid | purplepenguins, you don't get it |
| 06:25.18 | ajavid | purplepenguins, I'm not talking about building from sid sources on to stable |
| 06:25.22 | purplepenguins | oh |
| 06:25.25 | ajavid | purplepenguins, he mixed binary packages of sid onto stable |
| 06:25.27 | purplepenguins | wait, mixing the repos? |
| 06:25.31 | ajavid | yes |
| 06:25.36 | purplepenguins | that's a horrific idea |
| 06:25.52 | NekawA | lol well now i know i didn't realize it was such a bad idea |
| 06:26.00 | purplepenguins | you'll probably get depedency hell |
| 06:26.13 | ajavid | you know |
| 06:26.21 | root5_ | Hi, I found a bash listening to a port 80 today. On a client server, I wonder if there is a know vulnerability on recent apache version (debian regulary updated). I managed to spawn a root shell |
| 06:26.21 | ajavid | I download and constantl use my /home/ajavid disk |
| 06:26.35 | root5_ | s/I/He |
| 06:26.37 | ajavid | I ahve put sid 32bit shroot inso /home/ajavid/sid-i386-chroot |
| 06:26.47 | ajavid | it is running slowly i think due to losts of disk activity |
| 06:26.59 | NekawA | yea i had alot of resolving to do originally i tried to build kopete from source but that didn't go over too well lot of missing dependencies there too probably kde 4.3.1 things |
| 06:26.59 | ajavid | what I need to do is to dump this onto a diff partition on a diff disk |
| 06:27.03 | ajavid | and then chroot into it |
| 06:27.08 | ajavid | yes, that is a good idea |
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| 06:27.37 | ajavid | NekawA, you can keep stable desktop and do what I do |
| 06:27.54 | lafrance | ajavid, your a maniac though |
| 06:27.57 | ajavid | NekawA, install sid chroot, intall kopete, export DISPLAY to your current one |
| 06:27.57 | lafrance | :) |
| 06:28.15 | ajavid | NekawA, then launch kopete of kde4 inside the sid chroot and use it |
| 06:28.18 | ajavid | NekawA, you'll be fine that way |
| 06:28.35 | ajavid | NekawA, no need to wait or anything, and still use a sid system inside stable without hurting stable |
| 06:28.44 | lafrance | ajavid, ever work with debian and xen ? |
| 06:28.47 | ajavid | NekawA, that way you can try out latest kde apps |
| 06:28.51 | ajavid | lafrance, not much experience with it |
| 06:29.01 | NekawA | yea i have xen installed i guess i can just put it on a vps or something too more or less the same thing |
| 06:29.04 | ajavid | actually none. I should get into it |
| 06:29.25 | ajavid | lafrance, how am I a maniac? :) |
| 06:29.43 | lafrance | type so fast and you get all the cool stuff install |
| 06:29.44 | diabolix | can you boot with a subdirectory set as boot? that would be kind of cool. |
| 06:29.57 | lafrance | that would scrare the cr*p out of me |
| 06:30.01 | diabolix | s/boot/root/ |
| 06:30.19 | diabolix | that would make the sid-chroot more usefull. |
| 06:30.59 | ajavid | hahaha |
| 06:31.23 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, 01:29 < lafrance> type so fast and you get all the cool stuff install |
| 06:31.32 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, 01:29 < lafrance> that would scrare the cr*p out of me |
| 06:31.40 | ajavid | lol... he is the second person to tell me this. |
| 06:31.56 | lafrance | :) |
| 06:32.17 | ajavid | lafrance, so you're 57? |
| 06:32.35 | ajavid | lafrance, thats cool man. I'm very happy to see old timers trying out new technology :) |
| 06:32.36 | lafrance | and in joomla everyone ask me if I am well wondering if something wrong with me a part should of been dead 6 years ago |
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| 06:32.43 | ajavid | lafrance, my granps is too old to use a computer |
| 06:32.47 | lafrance | yes 58 in 5 days |
| 06:32.54 | ajavid | awesome, happy early bday |
| 06:33.01 | lafrance | notice my other nick |
| 06:33.22 | gramps | zi own gramps nick :) |
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| 06:33.43 | ajavid | heh |
| 06:33.44 | lafrance | thanks no reason asking for new server for freenode |
| 06:33.46 | xeon-enouf | shakes his cane at gramps |
| 06:33.57 | lafrance | lol |
| 06:34.05 | ajavid | lafrance, where are you from? |
| 06:34.16 | ajavid | lafrance, we could offtopic in #debian-chat |
| 06:34.41 | lafrance | cAlberta yes we are sorry |
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| 06:37.36 | ajavid | ok |
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| 06:37.49 | ajavid | im gonna take a screenshot now of my desktop with a mixed in kde4 and kde3 |
| 06:37.50 | ajavid | brb |
| 06:38.16 | lafrance | about time ops off topic (take denture out keep qquiet ) |
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| 06:39.30 | Titan8990 | ajavid, i have decided that kwin is nice but kde apps are terrible |
| 06:42.26 | ajavid | thats fantastic |
| 06:42.39 | ajavid | lafrance, Titan8990 http://picpaste.com/kde35431.jpg |
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| 06:43.16 | lafrance | thank you |
| 06:43.42 | ajavid | yw |
| 06:44.02 | lafrance | nice even if it kde :) |
| 06:44.08 | purplepenguins | looks like it's shiny enough |
| 06:44.40 | xeon-enouf | http://lwn.net/Articles/341246/ |
| 06:45.16 | purplepenguins | lol uzbl |
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| 06:45.33 | pistache_ | Happy birthday lafrance |
| 06:45.37 | pistache_ | I feel same as ajavid :) |
| 06:45.47 | xeon-enouf | http://tuxtraining.com/2009/09/05/uzbl-and-uzbl_tabbed-py-a-browser-that-adheres-to-the-unix-philosophy |
| 06:45.54 | lafrance | thank you still 4 day left and will be in medical journal |
| 06:45.58 | ajavid | lol |
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| 06:46.05 | ajavid | shiny eh |
| 06:46.10 | ajavid | hehe, is white! |
| 06:46.13 | ajavid | light colors and flowers |
| 06:46.32 | lafrance | nvidia right |
| 06:46.36 | ajavid | no |
| 06:46.37 | mahfiaz | i configured something wrong and now have Multi_key instead of R_Alt. Any help? |
| 06:46.51 | ajavid | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R580 [Radeon X1900 XT] (Primary) |
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| 06:47.11 | lafrance | I really start to hate you now lol |
| 06:47.25 | ajavid | why |
| 06:47.38 | lafrance | you figure it out with ATI just cant |
| 06:47.52 | ajavid | I only have 256MB gddr3 r580 chipset |
| 06:48.05 | ajavid | 48 pixel pipelines, these days you have 128 |
| 06:48.06 | ajavid | :/ |
| 06:48.12 | mnuhmnuh | mahfiaz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:48.21 | ajavid | no |
| 06:48.23 | ajavid | !drxx |
| 06:48.23 | dpkg | For Lenny onwards, ask me about <xorg config>. For Etch, reconfigure your X server by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root; this will overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (Sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
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| 06:48.35 | mahfiaz | mnuhmnuh, thanks, I'll give it a try |
| 06:48.35 | ajavid | for lenny, /msg dpkg xorg config |
| 06:48.36 | brutus | How do I set global shortcuts for rhythmbox? |
| 06:48.45 | lafrance | well homocystinuria dementia here so hard to understand often :( |
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| 06:49.40 | lafrance | if you check age to live you see I am the oldest living |
| 06:50.52 | pistache_ | :) |
| 06:50.57 | pistache_ | are you french ? |
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| 06:51.08 | ajavid | yes |
| 06:51.14 | ajavid | he is from canada alberta |
| 06:51.16 | ajavid | canadian french |
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| 06:51.29 | pistache_ | i am french :) |
| 06:51.41 | ajavid | I am pakistani |
| 06:51.42 | ajavid | :) |
| 06:51.47 | lafrance | but in 2000 had stroke lost all my french just now starting to remember it |
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| 06:51.54 | overvod | Grub broke on me :( When I run update-grub and check /boot/grub/grub.cfg it has nothing but blank entries. Even 10_linux is blank |
| 06:51.58 | overvod | any ideas? |
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| 06:52.03 | ajavid | overvod, grub2? |
| 06:52.07 | overvod | yea |
| 06:52.09 | ajavid | yeah, sounds like it |
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| 06:52.13 | ajavid | overvod, never used it. |
| 06:52.21 | overvod | it was working fine till recently |
| 06:52.24 | mnuhmnuh | lafrance: what's your Linux Counter #? |
| 06:52.26 | pistache_ | overvod: apt-get remove --purge grub-pc && apt-get install grub-pc ? |
| 06:52.35 | overvod | thanks I'll try it |
| 06:52.35 | lafrance | hmm what that ? |
| 06:52.39 | ajavid | overvod, i'd use grub-pc (grub legacy) |
| 06:52.48 | ajavid | overvod, that will surely work |
| 06:52.54 | simonrvn | overvod: sid? |
| 06:52.59 | overvod | yea |
| 06:53.10 | simonrvn | !btssmite |
| 06:53.12 | overvod | grub-pc is grub2 now |
| 06:53.20 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 06:53.20 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 06:53.22 | ajavid | i don't use sid fulltime |
| 06:53.24 | ajavid | I ahve no idea |
| 06:53.35 | simonrvn | you should check there first... |
| 06:53.37 | ajavid | I use and promote and condone stable debian |
| 06:53.50 | ajavid | well I use sid but i don't tell people to use it and i dont support it |
| 06:54.05 | ajavid | cuz i dont nkow much about it lately, it changes constantly and if you dno't keep up, you get way behind |
| 06:54.18 | ajavid | like meI used stable a few months frulltime and now forgot sid |
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| 06:55.33 | overvod | noway I can't stand waiting for packages |
| 06:55.39 | overvod | even sid is too slow |
| 06:55.55 | ajavid | yeah for real |
| 06:55.56 | wm4 | when running dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc, I get a "Unable to migrate to dependency based root system"; is there an article anywhere that explains how to fix this? full error message here: http://codepad.org/Av33dO59 |
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| 06:56.05 | overvod | I end up with my own kernels and sometimes DEs |
| 06:56.10 | ajavid | I got sid AND experimental in my repos, plus I build a lot of stuff directly from source/svn |
| 06:56.18 | purplepenguins | the need to have the most-up-to-date system is not wise |
| 06:56.38 | ajavid | I have a few debian machines, i have stable, sid, testing, but I use stable fulltime, other boxes just for fun i guess |
| 06:56.42 | simonrvn | overvod: then suck it up and stop complaining then |
| 06:56.54 | overvod | point out the complaint |
| 06:57.03 | ajavid | guys... relax |
| 06:57.07 | overvod | I just asked a question |
| 06:57.07 | simonrvn | wah, my grub broke |
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| 06:57.18 | ajavid | simonrvn, dont man, c'mon |
| 06:57.23 | simonrvn | you run sid, you should know different |
| 06:57.26 | ajavid | overvod, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 06:57.31 | ajavid | !sid |
| 06:57.31 | dpkg | hmm... sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 06:57.42 | simonrvn | do you see me complaining about sid bugs here? no. |
| 06:57.43 | ajavid | Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 06:57.44 | overvod | dude I've run sid for 8 years with breaks in between |
| 06:57.59 | overvod | doesn't mean I can't come on here and ask a question |
| 06:58.10 | ajavid | simonrvn, that wasn't really complaining |
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| 06:58.13 | overvod | don't get your panties in a bunch |
| 06:58.37 | ajavid | simonrvn, its just a guy new to sid, let him play around. you told him he should check bts first, now he knows. relax |
| 06:58.42 | cast | doesn't really matter how many years you've used sid... |
| 06:58.47 | xeon-enouf | overvod: you want #grub or #debian-boot on oftc .. and stop whining about something still in beta |
| 06:59.01 | ajavid | seriously |
| 06:59.05 | ajavid | stop patronizing the poor fuck |
| 06:59.10 | overvod | Lol a one line question is whining |
| 06:59.12 | ajavid | he wasn't complaining or whining. stop. |
| 06:59.15 | overvod | i'd like to live in your world |
| 06:59.19 | ajavid | overvod, let it go man. |
| 06:59.21 | ajavid | lets move on |
| 06:59.31 | overvod | thanks ajavid |
| 06:59.56 | ajavid | overvod, downgrade to testing if that. I would advise you to stick to stable if you want something that works |
| 07:00.02 | xeon-enouf | yeah, be ajavid 's friend .. he needs them :-P |
| 07:00.27 | wm4 | how can I purge all uninstalled packages? |
| 07:00.40 | xeon-enouf | man dpkg |
| 07:00.58 | ajavid | wm4, what state is the package in? |
| 07:01.08 | ajavid | wm4, dpkg -l pkg |
| 07:01.20 | wm4 | ajavid: there's not a single packages... it's probably a rather large amount |
| 07:01.27 | ajavid | i see |
| 07:01.40 | purplepenguins | if you ask the channel to unbunch its panties, it will react by bunching its panties anymore |
| 07:01.41 | ajavid | so you aptitude remove them, but not purge? |
| 07:01.46 | ajavid | now you want to purge them? |
| 07:02.11 | wm4 | ajavid: yes... and I actually used apt-get or synaptic to remove them, but that shouldn't make a difference |
| 07:02.17 | ajavid | I would probably use aptitude to get the list of packages in that certain state, and then run purge on each package returned |
| 07:02.30 | ajavid | I'm not sure how you'd go about doing this, im not a guru, a newb myself really |
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| 07:02.57 | ajavid | they are probably in the n state, meaning not installed, but not puged either? I can't remember the states |
| 07:03.01 | ajavid | read man aptitude and man dpkg |
| 07:03.04 | wm4 | that was a good idea... synaptic can list them by state too |
| 07:03.13 | xeon-enouf | but are you wearing clean underwear ... _that_ is the only important question :-P |
| 07:03.15 | ajavid | I don't use synaptic |
| 07:03.22 | wm4 | ajavid: thanks for being actually helpful |
| 07:03.24 | mhymn | wm4: dpkg -l | grep ^rc | cut -d' ' -f3 | aptitude purge -y <- that's what i do |
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| 07:03.42 | ajavid | lol |
| 07:03.45 | ajavid | what a hack |
| 07:03.55 | xeon-enouf | and still , you either a) blab too much b) type too fast, or c) both :-) |
| 07:04.15 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, dude... stfu and go away. |
| 07:04.15 | wm4 | seems to output the right packages |
| 07:04.20 | simonrvn | ajavid: you know what sort of policy we have here WRT sid; making excuses for people isn't going to help them. |
| 07:04.33 | overvod | what is the policy? I'd like to read it |
| 07:04.37 | ajavid | simonrvn, seriously... you just just started being dicks for no reason |
| 07:04.39 | ajavid | that was fucked up |
| 07:04.48 | ajavid | you can tell him the same thing without being dick |
| 07:05.06 | ajavid | but whatever.. if it makes you feel better to say I was making exucses for people then have at it |
| 07:05.18 | ajavid | if you didn't like me telling you to not be a dick, then don't be one, or suck it up and don't bitch at me. |
| 07:05.21 | ajavid | I'm done. |
| 07:05.34 | xeon-enouf | applauds |
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| 07:05.53 | overvod | it's ok ajavid. like I said I've been using sid for a long time. I already know the reaction you get in here sometimes. |
| 07:06.12 | ajavid | overvod, then you shoulda fuckin known better. |
| 07:06.16 | simonrvn | we don't support it. |
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| 07:06.34 | overvod | I just asked a question, I didn't force you to talk. |
| 07:06.39 | overvod | and I only asked it once |
| 07:06.40 | overvod | tyvm |
| 07:06.44 | simonrvn | it's been so even before i've been here |
| 07:06.45 | ajavid | overvod, for years... you should have known sid isn't officially supported here. |
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| 07:06.59 | ajavid | if anything, #debian-devel or the like, for developers and testers |
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| 07:07.18 | ajavid | or specific channels like #debian-boot (for the installer) |
| 07:07.20 | ajavid | etc. etc. |
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| 07:07.21 | lafrance | ajavid, see what I meant by spoon feeding |
| 07:07.27 | overvod | lol |
| 07:07.29 | ajavid | lafrance, I'm aware |
| 07:07.36 | Eagleton | does anyone know much about big-oh complexity? |
| 07:07.55 | purplepenguins | that's not qute an appropriate question for #debian Eagleton... |
| 07:08.08 | Eagleton | I know, but I'm desperate |
| 07:08.12 | purplepenguins | #math might know? |
| 07:08.15 | Eagleton | there is no big-oh channel :( |
| 07:08.21 | xeon-enouf | overvod: you shouldn't be using sid, IMHO, just based on the fact you have offered the minimalist of info concerning your situation - you _must_by_now_ know how *specifics* are important, and extremely relevant ..and yet, you've been using sid for how long? Lucky? |
| 07:08.26 | simonrvn | ajavid: why should *anyone* get special treatment? i don't expect it, why should anyone else? |
| 07:08.28 | Eagleton | they refer me to more computer science based channels |
| 07:08.29 | purplepenguins | or if there were a complexity-theory or algorithms channel |
| 07:09.02 | Eagleton | exactly |
| 07:09.02 | purplepenguins | complexity theory is math |
| 07:09.02 | purplepenguins | but most math people know nothing about it |
| 07:09.02 | ajavid | simonrvn, being a better perso means doing things you know you don't want to but you should because thats the right thing to do. |
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| 07:09.06 | purplepenguins | because it's too computer-science |
| 07:09.15 | bpun | xeon-enouf, yeah.. they think they can show off saying, hey look i'm using sid.. i'm that good of an expert.. and just 1 file goes bad and they cry like a baby |
| 07:09.27 | simonrvn | now i'm done. |
| 07:09.38 | ajavid | simonrvn, that means having patience with people and not jumping down someone's throat, patronizing and antagonizing them with statements like "stop whining" |
| 07:09.41 | bpun | spoon feeding no good |
| 07:09.42 | simonrvn | starts bouncing people off his ignore list |
| 07:09.44 | purplepenguins | a good book on algorithms will have all you need |
| 07:09.53 | ajavid | simonrvn, a simple statement, "hey sid isn't supported here, check the bts. we're done." |
| 07:09.59 | ajavid | would hav sufficed. |
| 07:10.03 | purplepenguins | oh, people are still arguing about that thing that happened like ten minutes ago |
| 07:10.11 | ajavid | its not a matter of special treatment, its a matter of not being a fucking prick. |
| 07:10.11 | overvod | xeon-enouf, that stems from the fact that I forgot what asses are in this channel rather than the fact I can give specifics and fill out bug reports. And also I wasn't in here looking for "support". I just asked a question. |
| 07:10.13 | simonrvn | nope, not i |
| 07:10.13 | overvod | sorry |
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| 07:10.23 | overvod | won't come into the channel again |
| 07:10.35 | overvod | but I also don't feel like filling anymore bug reports either |
| 07:10.37 | simonrvn | overvod: don't worry about it |
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| 07:10.51 | overvod | why contribute to people who are rude to you |
| 07:10.53 | overvod | f that |
| 07:10.57 | simonrvn | overvod: i overreacted |
| 07:11.02 | bpun | omg |
| 07:11.02 | ajavid | becasure it isn't personal |
| 07:11.02 | vbs0711 | hi guys! i have a debian 5.0 as a gateway(NAT). i want to know whether the file /proc/net/ip_connect has recorded every connections via it or not? |
| 07:11.03 | bpun | lol |
| 07:11.06 | ajavid | you're not contributing to the people |
| 07:11.11 | ajavid | you're contributin to the project |
| 07:11.15 | bpun | simonrvn, he's crying now.. you see what you did? |
| 07:11.20 | ajavid | for the benefit of the whole community, forge the few bad apples |
| 07:11.24 | bpun | lol |
| 07:11.31 | ajavid | that was a stupid thing to say overod |
| 07:11.33 | ajavid | he is gone |
| 07:11.35 | ajavid | dumbass |
| 07:11.37 | ajavid | :) |
| 07:11.39 | lafrance | oh that remind of me yesterrday when I lost my temper :( |
| 07:11.54 | simonrvn | well i was a bit hard on him, but he should have known better |
| 07:12.01 | ajavid | simonrvn, thank you |
| 07:12.08 | simonrvn | he'll get over it |
| 07:12.10 | ajavid | simonrvn, thats all I wanted you to consider |
| 07:12.27 | ajavid | simonrvn, yes, he should have known better, after having claimed his exp. with sid |
| 07:12.30 | bpun | spots overrod jumping out of his window |
| 07:12.52 | ajavid | simonrvn, you're a good dude, dude :) |
| 07:12.56 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:12.57 | ajavid | simonrvn, word |
| 07:14.21 | vbs0711 | someone want to answer? |
| 07:14.35 | ajavid | vbs0711, i dunno about that |
| 07:14.46 | ajavid | vbs0711, why don't you check the file |
| 07:14.52 | vbs0711 | thanks anyway |
| 07:15.22 | vbs0711 | cause i dont know whether there is a connection |
| 07:15.24 | bpun | vbs0711, i believe there are stats.. but i doubt anything gets recorded... u're probably thinking about web cache (about:cache in iceweasal) |
| 07:15.39 | simonrvn | vbs0711: i don't have such a /proc entry |
| 07:16.19 | simonrvn | ..on any of my machines |
| 07:16.20 | vbs0711 | bpun: what is stats mean? |
| 07:16.31 | simonrvn | statistics |
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| 07:16.39 | bpun | vbs0711, statistics.. i'm sure there are commands that show .. |
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| 07:17.16 | vbs0711 | i have been google some times ,but nothing i got |
| 07:17.34 | bpun | vbs0711, debian's wiki? |
| 07:17.40 | bpun | !wiki |
| 07:18.08 | lafrance | coffee break for the bot |
| 07:18.40 | ajavid | dpkg, ping |
| 07:18.40 | dpkg | Yes, ajavid, you are online. |
| 07:18.47 | lafrance | http://wiki.debian.org |
| 07:18.54 | ajavid | !debian wiki |
| 07:18.57 | vbs0711 | ok , i am trying |
| 07:18.59 | simonrvn | dpkg debwiki vbs0711 / |
| 07:18.59 | dpkg | vbs0711: http://wiki.debian.org// |
| 07:19.08 | ajavid | ah webkiwi |
| 07:19.10 | ajavid | kiwi |
| 07:19.11 | vbs0711 | but i also have a redhat 8.0 gateway . |
| 07:19.13 | ajavid | wiki fuck |
| 07:19.26 | lafrance | lol |
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| 07:19.46 | ajavid | i use python kiwi so i got used to typing it |
| 07:19.57 | ajavid | its a python MVC framework for gtk desktop apps |
| 07:20.07 | vbs0711 | nothing appears when searching "ip_connect" |
| 07:20.12 | lafrance | pythin nice for bots |
| 07:20.12 | ajavid | pretty badass, and gazpacho i think actually supoprt kiwi widgets |
| 07:20.27 | lafrance | python* |
| 07:20.56 | vbs0711 | could you guys give me a network admin irc? i think maybe they know this well |
| 07:21.24 | simonrvn | irc what? channel? network? try in #netfilter, here |
| 07:21.25 | lafrance | try freenode and see if anyone awake |
| 07:21.38 | xeon-enouf | vbs0711: cat: /proc/net/ip_connect: No such file or directory |
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| 07:22.01 | Guerin | fucking aussies |
| 07:22.07 | ajavid | Hehehehe, don't do that |
| 07:22.07 | Guerin | who use pirc |
| 07:22.12 | *** kick/#debian [Hehehehe!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 07:22.15 | simonrvn | that Jvlaple |
| 07:22.16 | lafrance | hehehe will get you disconnected again if you keep up |
| 07:22.17 | ajavid | Guerin, hey, wtf |
| 07:22.22 | ajavid | wtf has that to do with aussies |
| 07:22.24 | simonrvn | and Hehehehe |
| 07:22.25 | xeon-enouf | vbs0711: i'm not on lenny (5.0.x) though |
| 07:22.27 | simonrvn | same person |
| 07:22.28 | Guerin | ajavid: he's from australia |
| 07:22.29 | ajavid | Guerin, and whats up |
| 07:22.31 | Guerin | he did a stupid thing |
| 07:22.31 | ajavid | Guerin, i know |
| 07:22.34 | Guerin | I'm from NZ |
| 07:22.37 | vbs0711 | xeon-enouf : oh sorry ,that's /proc/net/ip_conntrack |
| 07:22.40 | ajavid | Guerin, seriously... that sounded bad |
| 07:22.42 | ajavid | :) |
| 07:22.53 | ajavid | Guerin, where you been man |
| 07:22.54 | Guerin | you do the maths |
| 07:22.57 | cast | see if the great aussie firewall had been up it could block CTCP VERSIONs for us |
| 07:23.13 | Guerin | cast: hah, at least then it might do some good |
| 07:23.16 | Guerin | ajavid: movin' house and shit |
| 07:23.20 | Guerin | ajavid: I bought me one |
| 07:23.20 | ajavid | word |
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| 07:23.26 | ajavid | nice! congrats |
| 07:23.26 | Guerin | gots my own piece 'o the burbs |
| 07:23.35 | xeon-enouf | cat: /proc/net/ip_conntrack: No such file or directory |
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| 07:24.19 | vbs0711 | xeon-enouf: i think netfilter is needed. sorry to bother you all |
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| 07:24.42 | xeon-enouf | vbs0711: you're not bothering us |
| 07:25.10 | bpun | vbs0711, at least you googled before you came.. so we can't be as mad as we usually tend to be |
| 07:25.45 | simonrvn | KB1JWQ: his/her bot just got kicked for flooding the chan |
| 07:26.06 | simonrvn | didn't see the flood, just the kick |
| 07:26.19 | simonrvn | check ignore log |
| 07:26.23 | lafrance | gee 52 updates tonight |
| 07:27.00 | simonrvn | hm |
| 07:27.21 | vbs0711 | thanks you all1 |
| 07:27.23 | vbs0711 | ï¼ |
| 07:27.45 | bpun | vbs0711, thank us for what? fix the problem.. we need your bitich :) |
| 07:28.03 | bpun | bitching is good exercise, providing we can help you :) |
| 07:28.18 | ajavid | lol |
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| 07:28.38 | simonrvn | if done right, certainly |
| 07:29.09 | unitypunk_ | eh |
| 07:29.17 | unitypunk_ | my usb drive just unmounted itself why |
| 07:29.26 | simonrvn | ask it |
| 07:29.34 | simonrvn | syslog, dmesg |
| 07:29.39 | unitypunk_ | sec. |
| 07:29.43 | bpun | dam gotta go.. getting l8ate |
| 07:29.45 | bpun | :) |
| 07:29.46 | bpun | ciao |
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| 07:29.51 | vbs0711 | ok ,i will give the answer here if i find it |
| 07:30.21 | unitypunk_ | uhhh |
| 07:30.34 | vbs0711 | dont you sleep/ |
| 07:30.36 | unitypunk_ | wait what. |
| 07:30.36 | vbs0711 | ï¼ |
| 07:30.39 | unitypunk_ | syslog isnt a command. |
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| 07:30.55 | simonrvn | no, it isn't. it's a file |
| 07:31.05 | unitypunk_ | oh |
| 07:31.06 | unitypunk_ | eh |
| 07:31.14 | unitypunk_ | alot of things probably happened sence then. |
| 07:31.28 | simonrvn | it's in /var/log .. |
| 07:31.34 | vbs0711 | "/var/log/syslog |
| 07:31.42 | unitypunk_ | are most logs there? |
| 07:31.50 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:31.52 | purplepenguins | most logs are on /var/log |
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| 07:32.26 | purplepenguins | and their names are mostly self-explantory |
| 07:32.58 | ajavid | hey |
| 07:33.17 | Verto1 | hey |
| 07:33.18 | ajavid | whats the best way to move my ~/sid-i386-chroot to an actual partition ? |
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| 07:33.48 | simonrvn | TheCoffeMaker: so where is it? |
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| 07:34.47 | TheCoffeMaker | simonvrn, where what? |
| 07:34.58 | unitypunk_ | looks like the usb device failed. |
| 07:35.06 | xeon-enouf | add your username to 'adm' group to readily read most logs in /var/log |
| 07:35.07 | unitypunk_ | it just like started resetting it. |
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| 07:35.29 | TheCoffeMaker | simonrvn, where what? |
| 07:35.38 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: parted ; mkfs ; rsync |
| 07:36.07 | kronic | what's a tool to report the login class of a user? |
| 07:36.15 | simonrvn | TheCoffeMaker: my coffee |
| 07:36.26 | simonrvn | bah-dum-tssh |
| 07:36.26 | xeon-enouf | you'll then want to edit it's fstab and do any grub magic if you plan on booting into it |
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| 07:36.51 | Verto1 | #debian (otherwise known as "Google".. apparently) |
| 07:37.09 | xeon-enouf | kronic: what's a login class? |
| 07:37.12 | simonrvn | unitypunk_: it would seem that's why. it probably unmounted itself to protect the filesystem, or the kernel did (very likely the latter) |
| 07:37.21 | simonrvn | Jvlaple: aren't you a bright one |
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| 07:37.36 | xeon-enouf | kronic: maybe you want the last and lastlog commands? |
| 07:37.41 | TheCoffeMaker | simonrvn check in your kitchen |
| 07:37.50 | simonrvn | TheCoffeMaker: nice comeback :) |
| 07:37.56 | kronic | nevermind |
| 07:38.14 | TheCoffeMaker | simonvrn :P |
| 07:38.26 | xeon-enouf | simonrvn: irssi? ; /ignore CRAP CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS WALLOPS NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS |
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| 07:38.30 | unitypunk_ | could the device have just started failing |
| 07:38.53 | purplepenguins | there is a CLIENTCRAP? |
| 07:38.55 | simonrvn | it's possible, or could just need an fsck. |
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| 07:39.14 | TheCoffeMaker | simonrvn :P ... man today I have dyslexic typewirting |
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| 07:41.06 | lafrance | :) I am like that 90 % of the time do not feel bad |
| 07:41.26 | faffi | how come initrd-tools doesnt exist in debian past etch? |
| 07:41.29 | faffi | was it replace by something else? |
| 07:41.46 | cahoot | initramfs? |
| 07:41.53 | brbrbr | oh |
| 07:42.13 | xeon-enouf | faffi: try mkinitramfs to generate a new one from scratch, IINM |
| 07:42.20 | brbrbr | almost 3% time feel not that bad. and even feel something. |
| 07:42.37 | xeon-enouf | faffi: initramfs-tools is the pkg, iirc |
| 07:42.39 | faffi | xeon-enouf: how do i specify which modules i want? |
| 07:42.52 | faffi | initrd-tools had /etc/mkinitrd |
| 07:42.57 | xeon-enouf | faffi: list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 07:43.06 | unitypunk_ | whats the command to list connected devices |
| 07:43.18 | xeon-enouf | faffi: but /etc/initramfs-tools/*conf should say MOST |
| 07:43.19 | unitypunk_ | like to list detected hard drives. |
| 07:44.10 | lafrance | good night all be safe |
| 07:44.17 | ajavid | yeah, its running horribly slow as I'm having my disk under full stress |
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| 07:44.23 | ajonat | hi! I'm using rsync to backup my home to another local disk. When I try to sync a directory mounted with smbnetfs (i just want to copy the top directory, not its contents) rsync fails with "readlink_stat failed". Anyone know how to do this? |
| 07:44.29 | ajavid | I should make a new parittion a totally diff disk and move my chroot there |
| 07:44.32 | xeon-enouf | faffi: ~$ grep -v '#' /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf | xargs |
| 07:44.32 | xeon-enouf | MODULES=most BUSYBOX=y KEYMAP=n BOOT=local DEVICE=eth0 NFSROOT=auto |
| 07:44.46 | ajavid | Ijust started X on :1 and then DISPLAY=:1 startkde &> /dev/null & |
| 07:44.51 | xeon-enouf | faffi: mkinitrd is deprecated |
| 07:44.54 | faffi | xeon-enouf: most includes lvm2? |
| 07:45.01 | ajavid | now I got kde3 in tty7 and kde4 in tty8 |
| 07:45.02 | xeon-enouf | faffi: yes |
| 07:45.05 | ajavid | beautiful |
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| 07:45.32 | faffi | xeon-enouf: well interesting, my problem is what my install cant wsee my lvm anymore even though it exists and i can access it fine when i live boot something else |
| 07:45.39 | faffi | says "volume group not found" |
| 07:45.58 | faffi | when i get prompted for my luks password |
| 07:46.00 | xeon-enouf | faffi: i think so - i know standard Debian kernel linux-image-$version installations install an initrd that contains most like lvm, dmraid, mdadm, etc |
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| 07:47.04 | xeon-enouf | faffi: tried vgchange -ay ; then mount the LV? (i'm no lvm guru, but check this out ... one sec) |
| 07:47.49 | faffi | xeon-enouf: ya i can mount it like that when i love boot something else |
| 07:47.54 | faffi | but when i boot my host os it cant find it |
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| 07:48.37 | faffi | and when i update my initramfs it gives an error saying the line in my /etc/crypttab file is incorrect. i looked it up and apparently it gives that warning when it cant find the root volume |
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| 07:48.50 | faffi | live boot* |
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| 07:50.13 | brbrbr | seems you discover new bug :) |
| 07:50.18 | xeon-enouf | er ..seems mdadm has a lot more in the scripts inside the initrd than lvm |
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| 07:51.06 | brbrbr | in case of Lenny its happen for me, in cases of multiple SATA hdd's |
| 07:51.30 | xeon-enouf | faffi: incorrect how? |
| 07:51.37 | brbrbr | escpecially, when im choose boot medium from bios[default kernel don't detect that] |
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| 07:52.44 | faffi | xeon-enouf: thats all it says when the file hasnt changed. i compared it to my laptop which has the same exact setup and it works fine |
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| 07:53.51 | ajavid | hey |
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| 07:53.57 | ajavid | how to share content among two diff X servers |
| 07:54.02 | ajavid | paste/clip/buffer |
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| 07:54.41 | ajavid | i have three X servers running on my machine, and I need to copy/paste among all three |
| 07:54.56 | ajavid | what must I do, I have no idea where to begin (google doesn't return much) |
| 07:55.03 | ajavid | as I'm not even sure what exactly to search for |
| 07:55.09 | xeon-enouf | faffi: check it for bad characters, spaces, ctrl chars, terminal codes, etc - try cat -A or something ; use diff |
| 07:55.44 | xeon-enouf | faffi: man ascii , man console_codes for more about that |
| 07:56.00 | unitypunk_ | how would i figure out if my usb drive was detected even... |
| 07:56.40 | xeon-enouf | faffi: check perms on /dev/{zero,null,random,urandom} (old buh) |
| 07:56.45 | xeon-enouf | bug* |
| 07:56.51 | peterrooney | ajavid: what kind of info are you copying and pasting? |
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| 07:56.59 | xeon-enouf | should be 660 iinm |
| 07:57.02 | simonrvn | you'll see it in your syslog, and dmesg output too (if it didn't scroll out of the ring buffer yet) |
| 07:57.33 | xeon-enouf | unitypunk_: dmesg |
| 07:58.13 | xeon-enouf | lsusb -v too, i guess heh |
| 07:58.25 | unitypunk_ | okay.. |
| 07:58.31 | unitypunk_ | that gave me interesting info. |
| 07:58.33 | unitypunk_ | sats. |
| 07:58.36 | unitypunk_ | says.. |
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| 07:58.47 | unitypunk_ | alot. |
| 07:58.55 | xeon-enouf | braces |
| 07:59.10 | xeon-enouf | dude - what's the issue? |
| 07:59.11 | unitypunk_ | cause i pulled my cheezy mp3player off with out unmounting. |
| 07:59.24 | xeon-enouf | nice one |
| 07:59.24 | unitypunk_ | my external drive unmounted itself. |
| 07:59.34 | xeon-enouf | fsck it |
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| 07:59.44 | unitypunk_ | and aprently has IO errors on logical block 0-8 |
| 07:59.54 | unitypunk_ | fsck? |
| 07:59.57 | simonrvn | fsck it |
| 07:59.59 | unitypunk_ | filesystem check? |
| 08:00.03 | xeon-enouf | !fsck |
| 08:00.03 | dpkg | i guess fsck is a file system integrity checker (man 8 fsck), or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck. See also <forcefsck>. |
| 08:00.09 | unitypunk_ | yeah |
| 08:00.42 | cast | rape! |
| 08:00.53 | unitypunk_ | fsck.ntfs-3g not found. |
| 08:01.31 | ajavid | peterrooney, text |
| 08:01.38 | cast | wait wait, unplugging your mp3 player caused another, ntfs drive, to umount? |
| 08:01.57 | brbrbr | with -afp switch |
| 08:02.08 | faffi | xeon-enouf: what are the right supposed to be? currenrtly they are all crw-rw-rw- |
| 08:02.16 | xeon-enouf | unitypunk_: ask ##windows - the best linux can do is mark ntfs as dirty |
| 08:02.19 | xeon-enouf | IINM |
| 08:02.19 | simonrvn | erm, it won't be ntfs... |
| 08:02.41 | xeon-enouf | faffi: that's ok then .. i'll double check |
| 08:02.45 | unitypunk_ | wha? |
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| 08:02.49 | unitypunk_ | yes it would ve. |
| 08:02.50 | xeon-enouf | faffi: is that a livecd boot? |
| 08:02.59 | simonrvn | vfat |
| 08:03.06 | faffi | xeon-enouf: ya with my lvm unlocked and partitioned mounted then chrooted in |
| 08:03.24 | faffi | i just dont understand why it doesnt see my lv |
| 08:04.09 | xeon-enouf | faffi: yeah, it's correct ; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 |
| 08:04.29 | xeon-enouf | faffi: a livecd boot doesn['t help |
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| 08:05.08 | faffi | xeon-enouf: what do you mean? i cant get into my system otherwise |
| 08:05.17 | xeon-enouf | that stinks |
| 08:05.57 | faffi | ya it cant find my root and swap lv's and it cant fine my volume group |
| 08:06.04 | faffi | find* |
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| 08:06.29 | xeon-enouf | try reading the bug, it's resolution and what's diff say about the two files? |
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| 08:07.45 | faffi | xeon-enouf: the /dev/* bug? |
| 08:08.07 | brbrbr | yep and advice to fixing lines as workaround |
| 08:08.08 | ajavid | if you have a windows cd you can boot from it and go to recovery console and run chkdsk or whatever it is, scandisk whatever |
| 08:08.13 | ajavid | maybe |
| 08:08.28 | ajavid | other than that, ntfs can't fix repair a bad ntfs fs |
| 08:08.30 | brbrbr | knoppix |
| 08:08.37 | ajavid | I mean ntfs-3g |
| 08:08.46 | brbrbr | who need "windows" today ? even on cd |
| 08:09.10 | unitypunk_ | ugh |
| 08:09.19 | unitypunk_ | where would i get such a disk. |
| 08:09.32 | faffi | xeon-enouf: my udev rules file has those 3 lines |
| 08:09.59 | xeon-enouf | why would you use a redmond OS FS, without having it's FS checking tools available? |
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| 08:10.23 | cast | why would anyone use a proprietary FS D: |
| 08:10.36 | xeon-enouf | unitypunk_: i said, ask ##windows, maybe bartspe or ultimatebootdisk |
| 08:10.45 | xeon-enouf | cast: indeed |
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| 08:11.56 | xeon-enouf | faffi: what kernel do you usually boot into? |
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| 08:12.44 | xeon-enouf | faffi: you can install things from within the chroot - try a new linux-image-$version perhaps, which should autogenerate a new initrd |
| 08:13.06 | simonrvn | why use ntfs on a mp3 player? o_O |
| 08:13.22 | purplepenguins | vfat does have some annoying restrictions |
| 08:13.51 | simonrvn | i'd use ext2 then if you wanted a real fs |
| 08:14.15 | purplepenguins | ext2 would make it non-portable to non-linux systems |
| 08:14.30 | cast | purplepenguins: nonsense |
| 08:14.43 | faffi | xeon-enouf: i tried that, i went to .30 from .26 |
| 08:14.45 | xeon-enouf | mp3 files over 4G? you're doing it wrong :-P |
| 08:14.51 | simonrvn | i call bs on that |
| 08:14.53 | purplepenguins | well, rather, it wouldn't be supported out of the box |
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| 08:15.04 | xeon-enouf | purplepenguins: so? |
| 08:15.20 | purplepenguins | you might not have administrator priviledges |
| 08:15.23 | simonrvn | it's more supported than ntfs... |
| 08:15.31 | xeon-enouf | out of what box? - and you have mp3 files over 4GiB ? |
| 08:15.36 | cast | purplepenguins: ipods are pretty popular, they're not supported out of the box... |
| 08:15.50 | purplepenguins | that's true |
| 08:16.05 | bolt | what controls the font used in XChat? It changed after an update. GIMP and Thunderbird still use the old font |
| 08:16.20 | bolt | I mean on the menu and stuff, not in the chat window |
| 08:16.20 | simonrvn | its prefs.. |
| 08:16.38 | purplepenguins | but it's more likely that a random windows machine will have iTunes than an ext2 driver |
| 08:16.51 | cast | regarding >4GB files, if i had a 40GB mp3 player, it would probably double as file storage, and there is a trend towards devices with screens that can play video |
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| 08:17.14 | bolt | oh wait. nevermind. i'm stupid |
| 08:17.16 | purplepenguins | possibly some really large video files |
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| 08:17.40 | bolt | fixed :) |
| 08:18.34 | cast | purplepenguins: only because the user wanted to use an ipod, likewise when they want to use a castpod[tm] they'll damnwell install iCast which will rw ext2/3 |
| 08:18.56 | unitypunk_ | so... |
| 08:19.05 | unitypunk_ | the guys in windows said i should be here. |
| 08:19.24 | simonrvn | there's ntfs tools in debian you can install |
| 08:20.16 | unitypunk_ | uh |
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| 08:20.25 | unitypunk_ | apt-get install ntfstools? |
| 08:20.27 | bolt | ntfs-3g |
| 08:20.33 | unitypunk_ | alteady installed bolt. |
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| 08:20.56 | simonrvn | !+search |
| 08:20.56 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 08:21.56 | xeon-enouf | unitypunk_: i'm telling you - ntfs* pkgs do NOT have chdsk |
| 08:22.09 | unitypunk_ | i believe you. |
| 08:22.14 | xeon-enouf | they will only mark the FS as dirty |
| 08:22.34 | unitypunk_ | so should i plug it into my running windows laptop? |
| 08:22.38 | cast | i have an idea |
| 08:22.44 | cast | a windows VM in KVM! |
| 08:22.59 | unitypunk_ | beyond me cast. |
| 08:23.19 | cast | 1Gb to accomplish 100kb of work |
| 08:23.21 | xeon-enouf | _unless_ something new very recently came along within say ntfsmount or ntfs-3g pkgs, since those are needed to even write to the FS |
| 08:23.42 | xeon-enouf | unitypunk_: most likely , yes |
| 08:24.07 | unitypunk_ | sigh. alright. |
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| 08:25.03 | xeon-enouf | you're sighing because you need windows for windows FStypes? |
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| 08:25.20 | unitypunk_ | yeah |
| 08:25.23 | faffi | xeon-enouf: haha i got it to work but its still broken somehow |
| 08:25.29 | xeon-enouf | !cluebat unitypunk_ |
| 08:25.29 | dpkg | beats unitypunk_ with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 6! Check video card compatibility at http://www.x.org/ |
| 08:25.30 | unitypunk_ | cause i thought one day i might need to go back. |
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| 08:26.00 | faffi | i edited /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot and added my root and swap devices by blkid |
| 08:26.01 | xeon-enouf | faffi: do tell |
| 08:26.13 | faffi | so it find them and i get prompted to decrypt |
| 08:26.25 | faffi | but then for some reason it breaks |
| 08:26.33 | faffi | it cant use /bin/mount for some reason |
| 08:26.38 | xeon-enouf | what did you alter? |
| 08:27.18 | faffi | i created ctyptroot in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ and put in two lines to setup my root and swap partitions, then update-initramfs -u |
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| 08:28.32 | faffi | xeon-enouf: so its unlocking based on blkid now instead of the lvm name |
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| 08:28.41 | faffi | i guess thats what its doing |
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| 08:31.06 | xeon-enouf | so try UUID, or LABEL .. odd that -u worked, since it would need -u -k $version, since even within the chroot, your uname -r would bethe livecd booted kernel |
| 08:31.56 | xeon-enouf | unless -u did all found within /boot/ |
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| 08:32.38 | eshat | HI all,... Why do I not have tabbing and scrolling on my touchpad in sid ? |
| 08:32.45 | faffi | xeon-enouf: i was in /boot, executed -u -k all, |
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| 08:35.18 | ajavid | $>sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 |
| 08:35.19 | ajavid | mke2fs 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) |
| 08:35.19 | ajavid | /dev/sdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 08:35.26 | faffi | xeon-enouf: IT WORKS! |
| 08:35.28 | ajavid | when I do mount -l, sdb1 is not listed anywhere |
| 08:35.29 | ajavid | !! |
| 08:35.30 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 08:35.40 | ajavid | :( |
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| 08:36.34 | JPT | mh |
| 08:36.36 | xeon-enouf | !congratulate faffi |
| 08:36.36 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies faffi, you did it! |
| 08:36.43 | ajavid | I JUST created an partition on it |
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| 08:37.06 | ajavid | /dev/sdb1 1 3984 32001448+ 83 Linux |
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| 08:37.22 | JPT | and now your partition is "busy"? |
| 08:37.24 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: make sure your chroots (and relative vs full path) aren't messing with you |
| 08:37.29 | ajavid | nothing |
| 08:37.33 | ajavid | here let me show you |
| 08:38.21 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, JPT http://paste.debian.net/45823/ |
| 08:38.51 | JPT | hmm |
| 08:39.28 | JPT | so there must be a small tool or daemon accessing sdb1, so it's not accessible.. |
| 08:39.44 | JPT | or your hdd does not like you and posts comments in dmesg |
| 08:39.47 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, JPT http://paste.debian.net/45824/ |
| 08:39.54 | ajavid | better reading |
| 08:40.04 | ajavid | formatting nm |
| 08:40.20 | ajavid | [13341.013822] EXT3 FS on sdb1, internal journal |
| 08:40.20 | ajavid | [13341.013826] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 08:40.45 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/45825/ |
| 08:40.53 | ajavid | dmesg shows it mounted... mount says nothing is mounted |
| 08:40.58 | ajavid | I'm on stable lenny |
| 08:41.01 | JPT | Oo |
| 08:41.15 | JPT | so it is not "officially" mounted |
| 08:41.17 | faffi | xeon-enouf: i feel dirty though by mounting my partitions with blkid's instead of the computer finding my lvg |
| 08:41.21 | faffi | D: |
| 08:41.29 | ajavid | JPT, those were the LAST two lines of dmesg output |
| 08:41.35 | JPT | mh |
| 08:41.50 | JPT | how about a process that might lock the partition / drive? |
| 08:42.03 | ajavid | lsof|grep sdb ? |
| 08:42.09 | JPT | yeah... |
| 08:42.14 | ajavid | nothing |
| 08:42.20 | JPT | or in general... all processes.. |
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| 08:42.29 | ajavid | $>lsof|grep sdb |
| 08:42.30 | ajavid | firefox-b 4532 ajavid mem REG 8,33 149144 1179860 /home/ajavid/bin/firefox/libnssdbm3.so |
| 08:42.33 | ajavid | ajavid@ajavid-desktop 0.18 /home/ajavid 0 files using 168k |
| 08:42.42 | JPT | hm |
| 08:42.47 | JPT | strange |
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| 08:43.37 | ajavid | indeed |
| 08:43.42 | xeon-enouf | use cat /proc/mounts |
| 08:44.18 | bolt | trying to build xserver-xorg-core from source to insert some patches for my mouse to work the way I want it, I get an error saying "../../../../hw/xfree86/common/../loader/loaderProcs.h:59:31: error: X11/fonts/fontmod.h: No such file or directory". Entire build-log at http://pastebin.com/f61687da6 I did get build-deps first, and this is the unmodified source. What's up? |
| 08:44.26 | xeon-enouf | and make sure you're not chrooted - have you bind mounted anything? and what's this? 11. none on /proc/fs/vmblock/mountPoint type vmblock (rw |
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| 08:45.06 | xeon-enouf | lsof doesn't show me hda either (even as root) and / FS is on hda1 here |
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| 08:46.14 | xeon-enouf | strace your mkfs command? |
| 08:46.14 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/45826/ |
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| 08:46.28 | xeon-enouf | strace mkfs /dev/sdb1 2>somefile |
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| 08:48.57 | ajavid | uhm weird |
| 08:49.06 | ajavid | I just switched to root as su, and mkfs and it worked |
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| 08:49.54 | ajavid | I just launched it as sudo as user and now it works |
| 08:49.56 | ajavid | WTF! |
| 08:50.05 | ajavid | seriously... my shit is possessed |
| 08:50.47 | JPT | you tried this without root permissions? |
| 08:50.55 | ajavid | nope |
| 08:50.57 | ajavid | look at my logs |
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| 08:51.22 | JPT | $>cat /proc/mounts <-- $ = user? |
| 08:51.39 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/45824 |
| 08:51.47 | JPT | oh |
| 08:51.47 | JPT | hm |
| 08:51.48 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/45825 |
| 08:51.52 | JPT | well...sudo might be limited |
| 08:51.56 | ajavid | nope |
| 08:52.03 | ajavid | $>groups |
| 08:52.03 | ajavid | ajavid disk dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio www-data video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 08:52.17 | ajavid | %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 08:52.32 | JPT | okay |
| 08:52.42 | JPT | this makes it more strange |
| 08:52.50 | ajavid | indeed |
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| 08:54.17 | ajavid | question, if you have a CDROM mounted in /cdrom/debian |
| 08:54.27 | ajavid | how do you specify this url when using debootstrap? |
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| 08:55.34 | ajavid | debootstrap sid /chroot http://blahblah |
| 08:55.55 | ajavid | instead of http://blahblah how to specify the mountpoint of the cdrom? like file:///cdrom/ |
| 08:55.58 | ajavid | ? |
| 08:56.05 | xeon-enouf | yep |
| 08:56.14 | hans | if i look at the file /var/log/auth.log i do have very much access attempts to sshd.about 400 trys per IP. how do i configure sshd to block the ip for 10 minutes after 5 false login attempts? |
| 08:56.17 | ajavid | well ok but its not working |
| 08:56.24 | xeon-enouf | file:// or file:/ or with 3 |
| 08:56.35 | ajavid | I been using debootstrap for a long time and the first paragraph of the manpage covers this |
| 08:56.40 | ajavid | file:/// with 3 slashes |
| 08:56.50 | ajavid | well, 2, file:// and then 1 for /blah/blah |
| 08:57.01 | ajavid | its not working man, hang on |
| 08:57.08 | ajavid | tonight is the strangest night ever |
| 08:57.15 | xeon-enouf | so does file:///[TAB][TAB] do amything? |
| 08:57.21 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.25 | ajavid | nope |
| 08:57.35 | ajavid | I think I should go to bed and tackle this tomorow |
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| 08:58.12 | xeon-enouf | ihave no idea if you're in/out of a chroot, if anything like /dev/ or /proc/ is bind muonted |
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| 08:58.26 | ajavid | you know if you looked at all my pastebins you'd see what sup |
| 08:58.31 | xeon-enouf | hans: one moment |
| 08:58.43 | hans | jup |
| 09:00.17 | xeon-enouf | hans: you could use fail2ban i guess, or denyhosts , or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
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| 09:03.14 | hans | xeon-enouf: i think the article from debian-administration fits for me. So the firewall takes care about too frequent login attempts. |
| 09:03.21 | xeon-enouf | hans: be sure to not lock yourself out |
| 09:03.34 | hans | xeon-enouf: in auth.log, i do have an other odd line. |
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| 09:04.04 | hans | xeon-enouf: gee.. yeah. i leave one putty-ssh open and try with another session before i close :D |
| 09:04.15 | cahoot | hans: switching to key based ssh isn't an option? |
| 09:04.45 | hans | cahoot: i do have pub/priv key, of course! |
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| 09:05.22 | jMCg | This documentation is really funny: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en -- "you have the option of copying a full CD ISO image to it." --- So far I have not found an "option" in the boot menu that does NOT REQUIRE a CD ISO. |
| 09:05.25 | hans | cahoot: anyway, the false login-attempts fill my log-files. i do not want to be the easy-looking target for script kiddies. |
| 09:05.30 | arvind__ | hi, does anyone here use grub 2? |
| 09:05.44 | hans | xeon-enouf: CRON[5018]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root |
| 09:06.12 | hans | xeon-enouf: i guess this comes also from some false login-attempts. what can i do against it? |
| 09:06.45 | cahoot | that's just info from cron |
| 09:07.07 | macrobat | arvind__: popcon shows about 1100 ppl have grub2 installed |
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| 09:08.06 | arvind__ | i am unable to load xen using grub2, does it need to go under /etc/grub.d/40_custom or /etc/grub.d/30_otheros ? |
| 09:08.48 | macrobat | arvind__: you can also try to ask in #grub, tell them to update the wiki too :) |
| 09:08.57 | hans | cahoot: but crontab -l gives nothing back. so there are no cron-jobs. |
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| 09:09.30 | arvind__ | macrobat, ya :), i guess they should maintain a page for xen specially |
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| 09:10.30 | macrobat | their wiki isnt very informative :) i dont know anything about, xen, sry |
| 09:10.33 | cahoot | hans: checke the timestamps - no pattern? |
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| 09:13.41 | hans | cahoot: right, hourly pattern. |
| 09:13.47 | hans | thanks. |
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| 09:14.07 | hans | !fail2ban |
| 09:14.07 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. <Dovecot> administrators: see http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/Fail2Ban . Also ask me about <denyhosts> and <iptables ssh filter>. |
| 09:14.31 | hans | !denyhosts |
| 09:14.32 | dpkg | methinks denyhosts is a python script that analyzes the sshd logs to find possible break-in attempts. It keeps track of the frequency of attempts from each host. Additionally, upon discovering a repeated attack host, the /etc/hosts.deny file is updated to prevent future break-in attempts from that host. An email report can be sent to a system email address. See also <fail2ban><iptables ssh filter>. |
| 09:14.38 | cahoot | !selftell |
| 09:14.38 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 09:15.05 | hans | ... -.- |
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| 09:16.27 | hans | !tell me iptables ssh filter |
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| 09:17.06 | arvind_khadri | hans, use the /msg way |
| 09:17.48 | hans | arvind_khadri: with / msg i adress someone directly. should i adress the bot that way? |
| 09:18.01 | xeon-enouf | hans: /etc/cron.* |
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| 09:18.12 | arvind_khadri | hans, yes :) , read the topic ;) |
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| 09:19.20 | cr3rzemjest | my question is: how is laptop battery charged? if i didn't have any O/S or used only DOS, would it charge? or is it done by hardware in laptop? or OS controlls it? i see GNOME has some stuff that draws a graph of time of chargin etc (but ppl say it kills the battery and has no functions regarding it)... if i used e.g. fluxbox, or ratpoison on laptop, would it kill the battery after [lower-than-ave |
| 09:19.22 | cr3rzemjest | rage-number] cycles? or would i have to use my own scripts and stuff? if there any, what apps (preferably not the console ones) do you use in that case? |
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| 09:20.15 | cahoot | cr3rzemjest: not a thinkpad by chance? |
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| 09:20.22 | cr3rzemjest | cahoot: no |
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| 09:22.29 | rbfg | how can i see the referer in access log? |
| 09:22.42 | plugd | cr3rzemjest: battery charging is hardware, ACPI just gives diagnostics |
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| 09:23.34 | plugd | cr3rzemjest: it'll charge even if your machine is off |
| 09:23.50 | cr3rzemjest | plugd: i didn't know that, thx |
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| 09:25.50 | rbfg | does CustomLog /var/log/apache2/access.log combined mean that i log the referrer too?\ |
| 09:26.45 | hans | xeon-enouf: cron.* are all directorys. |
| 09:27.50 | xeon-enouf | hans: yea, which contain scripts that run on predefined schedules, see /etc/crontab |
| 09:28.57 | xeon-enouf | scripts in /etc/cron.hourly would yield "< hans> cahoot: right, hourly pattern." |
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| 09:32.32 | cahoot | xeon-enouf: I think he got the msg intuitively |
| 09:32.51 | xeon-enouf | yeah, i'm slow :-P |
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| 09:34.55 | hans | okay, i see. |
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| 09:35.40 | solid_liq | how do I tell aptitude to search the package descriptions rather than just the package names? |
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| 09:36.32 | pierre__ | hi |
| 09:37.17 | xeon-enouf | apt-get search ^keyword :-O (will return hits in short description) |
| 09:37.53 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: i don;t use aptitude, try using aptitude-doc-en if not in man page |
| 09:38.55 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, no, that doesn't do it |
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| 09:39.38 | Sitowlan | solid_liq, apt-cache search ^keyword |
| 09:39.59 | solid_liq | Sitowlan, no, that doesn't work |
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| 09:40.08 | Andorin | I'm an Ubuntu user who wants to try Debian. I was pointed towards the net installer, so I grabbed it and installed it on my laptop with the graphical installer. Thing is: it's a text-based system. How do I install and run a GUI? |
| 09:40.14 | solid_liq | Sitowlan, the ^ just says, "beginning of line" |
| 09:40.47 | solid_liq | Sitowlan, try doing an aptitude search ^flickr then an aptitude search dfo to verify this |
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| 09:40.58 | Andorin | Actually, hang on, I Googled it. |
| 09:42.02 | Sitowlan | solid_liq, with "apt-cache search ^keyword" it works |
| 09:42.03 | Andorin | Glad to see it's a common issue and not one unique to me. |
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| 09:42.58 | solid_liq | Sitowlan, no, just tried it, it doesn't |
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| 09:43.57 | Sitowlan | solid_liq, with apt-get or apt-cache? |
| 09:44.11 | solid_liq | Sitowlan, apt-cache |
| 09:44.12 | dustybin | if one compiles something, is the ./configure --prefix [PATH] logged somewhere? |
| 09:45.02 | solid_liq | dustybin, it goes into the Makefile |
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| 09:46.37 | dustybin | solid_liq: my specified path actually gets written into the MakeFile? |
| 09:46.48 | dustybin | or is it just passed as a string |
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| 09:47.50 | themill | solid_liq: if you want to search the long description too, use apt-cache not aptitude. |
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| 09:49.06 | themill | solid_liq: if you really want to search the description only, use "aptitude search ~dsearchterm". /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 09:49.12 | solid_liq | themill, k thanks, without the ^ it does work :) |
| 09:49.43 | solid_liq | I got into the habit of using aptitude not so long ago instead of apt-cache/apt-get, and this just threw me heh |
| 09:49.49 | solid_liq | themill, thanks :) |
| 09:50.01 | Andorin | Oh, boy. My new Debian install is having a problem with connecting to the Internet. |
| 09:50.16 | Andorin | I'd like to put a GUI on it but apparently it doesn't 'see' any websites. |
| 09:50.53 | solid_liq | Andorin, have you tried using ifconfig to configure its network interface? |
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| 09:51.21 | solid_liq | Andorin, or edited /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 09:51.57 | Andorin | No, I haven't, but I'm not entirely sure what the problem is, even. |
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| 09:52.43 | solid_liq | Andorin, it's most likely that you don't have the network interface configured ;) |
| 09:52.54 | solid_liq | Andorin, otherwise, maybe you have a driver problem |
| 09:53.24 | Andorin | When I plug the ethernet cable in, I get a message saying the link is up. Just, no Internet. |
| 09:54.14 | Andorin | Also, what's the command to edit /etc/network/interfaces? When I plug in the file name I get "permission denied" even though (I think) I'm running as su. |
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| 09:54.34 | solid_liq | lol |
| 09:54.50 | solid_liq | Andorin, you need to log in as root, then fire up vim or your favorite text editor |
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| 09:55.22 | solid_liq | Andorin, and check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:55.41 | solid_liq | Andorin, and use the route utility to check as well |
| 09:55.54 | solid_liq | Andorin, type, route -n to see your current routing table |
| 09:56.35 | themill | Andorin: are you irc-ing from this box? |
| 09:56.38 | solid_liq | Andorin, I'm guessing you should google for a guide to configuring network interfaces under Linux since it sounds like you're using your first Linux distro that doesn't baby the user |
| 09:56.41 | Andorin | No, I'm not. |
| 09:57.35 | Andorin | And yeah, I guess this pretty much is the first... |
| 09:57.37 | themill | Andorin: what IP has your box got? (is it a sensible IP for your network or a 169.* autoconf IP) |
| 09:58.21 | Andorin | themill: ifconfig gives 192.168.8.4 as the computer's IP. |
| 09:59.02 | ajavid | solid_liq, hi |
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| 10:00.26 | themill | Andorin: So does pinging other hosts using their IP address work from that box? e.g. other hosts on your own network, 209.85.227.106 (google.com) |
| 10:00.41 | xeon-enouf | omg, i said apt-get search ?? wt4x! |
| 10:01.09 | solid_liq | ajavid, hey |
| 10:01.14 | Andorin | themill: Earlier when I had it hooked up (to hook that computer up I have to disconnect this one), I tried wget on google.com and it failed to resolve. |
| 10:01.16 | solid_liq | heh |
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| 10:01.46 | solid_liq | Andorin, try checking your resolv.conf then |
| 10:02.14 | Andorin | It's... blank? |
| 10:02.19 | NicoOOoOo | attendais amarok depuis X jours, et en fait il y etait : youpiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :)* |
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| 10:02.37 | ajavid | Retrieving file 980 of 1090 (3min 55s remaining) |
| 10:02.43 | ajavid | :) |
| 10:02.50 | ajavid | sid is huge! |
| 10:03.05 | themill | Andorin: are you using dhcp on your network? |
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| 10:03.26 | Andorin | themill: I believe so. |
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| 10:04.13 | themill | sounds like you need to give your dhcp server a swift kick to get it to provide a nameserver with the lease |
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| 10:06.03 | Andorin | Meaning? =/ |
| 10:06.18 | nsadmin | put it in the subnet definition |
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| 10:06.30 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: you think ^ just says beginning of line, but you're mistaken (in 'apt-cache search' context) it'll match beginning of line in either name or description; --names-only would grab search/find names only - use debtags |
| 10:07.12 | nsadmin | Andorin: what is your dhcp server? what os does it run under |
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| 10:08.29 | Andorin | Um... okay, now I'm completely lost. =/ If DHCP requires that the server be on a machine running an OS, I don't have it. I don't have total understanding of what it is. What I do know is that when Debian installed, it autoconfigured the network using DHCP. |
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| 10:09.18 | nsadmin | ok... |
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| 10:09.41 | nsadmin | so, one use is: your ISP hands you a dynamic IP |
| 10:10.07 | themill | modem/router is most likely the dhcp server in this case |
| 10:10.10 | nsadmin | probably the most common way is your ISP runs a DHCP server |
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| 10:11.02 | nsadmin | that would be how the machine or router closest to the internet connection gets its IP |
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| 10:11.42 | Andorin | Here's something that might affect it. When I first ran the installer, the computer was accidentally not connected to the network, so it failed to autoconfigure and I had to manually enter the network's information. Eventually I plugged it in and went back to network configuration and it autoconfigured. Would that make any difference in whether I can connect? |
| 10:12.08 | Andorin | If so, this is a completely fresh install, so I can just reinstall and keep it plugged in. |
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| 10:12.21 | nsadmin | it shouldn't make a difference |
| 10:12.30 | Andorin | M'kay. |
| 10:12.53 | themill | Andorin: what's the contents of /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:13.01 | Andorin | Also, what's this "non-query interrupt received, switching to interrupt mode" message I keep getting? |
| 10:13.20 | nsadmin | unless before it was plain unconfigured... but that doesn't look to be the case |
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| 10:13.51 | nsadmin | Andorin: what seems to be the receiver? |
| 10:13.56 | Andorin | themill: I'll type the contents on this comp and pastebin them. |
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| 10:14.00 | Andorin | nsadmin: Meaning? |
| 10:14.27 | nsadmin | "non-query interrupt received"; by what? |
| 10:14.57 | nsadmin | maybe that info is in that message too |
| 10:15.41 | Andorin | Preceding it is "[numbers that change] ACPI: EC:" |
| 10:16.10 | Andorin | Anyway, relevant contents of /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/d9b42023 |
| 10:16.31 | nsadmin | oh, so possibly it's the chipset ton your mobo that handles acpi |
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| 10:17.30 | themill | Andorin: ok, so you're using a static config not dhcp. You can just edit /etc/resolv.conf to set some name servers. |
| 10:17.36 | nsadmin | it looks like the kernel is noticing some signalling possibly coming from that chipset... |
| 10:18.02 | Andorin | Have I mentioned that resolve.conf is blank? |
| 10:18.27 | nsadmin | you are free to change that |
| 10:18.40 | Andorin | Right. What would I add in? |
| 10:18.51 | nsadmin | something like: |
| 10:18.58 | nsadmin | nameserver 111.222.333.44 |
| 10:19.23 | nsadmin | where the IP number is replaced by a known good one near you |
| 10:19.43 | nsadmin | the closest networkwise would be the one your ISP is running |
| 10:20.06 | Andorin | Which I don't know, but could probably find from this computer if possible. |
| 10:21.09 | nsadmin | so at least you know the acceptable syntax |
| 10:21.53 | bolt | trying to build xserver-xorg-core from source to insert some patches for my mouse to work the way I want it, I get an error saying "../../../../hw/xfree86/common/../loader/loaderProcs.h:59:31: error: X11/fonts/fontmod.h: No such file or directory". Entire build-log at http://pastebin.com/f61687da6 I did get build-deps first, and this is the unmodified source. What's up? |
| 10:22.15 | Andorin | Those interrupt mode messages make it hard to edit the file. |
| 10:22.29 | Andorin | ...or to do much of anything. |
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| 10:25.29 | Andorin | Look, is there an alternative installation option that gives me a GUI by default? Preferably one in which I only have to download one .iso, if possible. |
| 10:25.48 | calamarz | does someone have a clue about which is the right way to install a plone theme in debian? all plone docs are related to buildout |
| 10:25.52 | Andorin | I was told that the first CD would not be enough for a GUI, which strikes me as odd. |
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| 10:26.17 | cast | why is that odd? |
| 10:26.26 | cast | x isn't particully large |
| 10:27.00 | Andorin | Because as far as I know, other distros can or do fit on one CD. Not with their entire repos, of course, but with an OS and GUI. |
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| 10:29.36 | Andorin | I've used the command line a bunch in Ubuntu but I don't claim proficiency with it. |
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| 10:33.43 | Andorin | sigh. |
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| 10:34.08 | ajavid | running mysqld on nonstandard port will have any adverse effects on the rest of the system? |
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| 10:37.24 | fireba11 | ajavid: why should it? as long as you don#t pick a port used by something else |
| 10:37.36 | ajavid | ok |
| 10:38.02 | ajavid | just wondering, cuz i installed kde4-full ina chroot and mysqld won't start because 3306 is in use by the stable host system |
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| 10:38.44 | ajavid | so just wondering if chaning it to say 33306 or 3307 or something of the nature might cause a problem with other software in debian that depends onmysql but is default configured to use 3306 to connect to |
| 10:38.48 | ajavid | I dunno |
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| 10:39.36 | ajavid | amarok2 isn't 'bad'... |
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| 10:40.23 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.28 | ajavid | I guess the apps you'd have to configure yourself anyway, so I just told amarok2 in chroot to connect to the mysqld server on the port (i could just connect to this and use a diff dbname but why not just use this) |
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| 10:40.40 | ajavid | adb, yea of course |
| 10:40.49 | ajavid | thats what I just said |
| 10:40.53 | adb | why ? |
| 10:42.37 | nsadmin | why is it what he just said? because he hasn't said anyting except "thats what I just said" since then... |
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| 10:43.44 | daniele_982 | hello all same guru eith apache virtual server???? |
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| 10:46.19 | ajavid | $>export $DISPLAY=:0 |
| 10:46.19 | ajavid | -bash: export: `=:0': not a valid identifier |
| 10:46.24 | daniele_982 | hello all same guru with apache virtual server??? i'm very tired it doesn't works...i've logs conf file and other |
| 10:46.28 | ajavid | whats up with this? |
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| 10:47.13 | adb | echo $DISPLAY |
| 10:47.15 | ajavid | DISPLAY=:0 xterm <- if I do this xterm starts, otherwise I get display not set |
| 10:47.19 | ajavid | adb, nothing, blank |
| 10:47.21 | ajavid | its not set |
| 10:47.31 | ajavid | and for some odd reason it wont' let me set it |
| 10:48.09 | adb | you means in chroot is blank ? |
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| 10:49.29 | ajavid | yessir |
| 10:49.32 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:50.26 | enmerkar_ | daniele_982: get some sleep or ask your real question |
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| 10:52.07 | daniele_982 | enmerkar_: ok i've configured a virtual hosts with apache and tomcat i use the alias but when i try to use it for example: http://prova.wirex.it/portal/prova.html it reply : Service Temporarily Unavailable. I see the logs of catalina.out and error.out but there's nothing |
| 10:52.16 | ajavid | adb, why won't it let me export display |
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| 10:52.46 | daniele_982 | enmerkar_: this's my httpd-vhosts.conf http://pastebin.com/d40ca0204 |
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| 10:53.15 | ajavid | adb, if i specify the hostname (localhos) before it works |
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| 10:53.19 | ajavid | :/ |
| 10:53.28 | ajavid | adb, export $DISPLAY=localhost:0 |
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| 10:54.21 | enmerkar_ | daniele_982: that host doesn't resolve to anything for me |
| 10:54.22 | ajavid | $>DISPLAY=:0.0 ; export DISPLAY |
| 10:54.26 | ajavid | this actually is the correct one |
| 10:54.44 | ajavid | ok, fantastic, its good now, thanks |
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| 10:54.56 | enmerkar_ | daniele_982: but i don't know about tomcat anyway |
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| 10:55.06 | daniele_982 | enmerkar_: /etc/hosts --> 127.0.0.1 prova.wirex.it |
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| 11:09.21 | Kindred | evening |
| 11:09.49 | delly | Good day. Is there a way to figur out what kernel module my hard-disk is using? I am starting to get pretty tired of recompiling the .30 kernel to attempt to get it to work :( |
| 11:10.06 | Kindred | anyone able to assist with an issue when doing a full-upgrade to squeeze |
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| 11:11.11 | Evo2 | Kindred: what is the issue? |
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| 11:11.49 | Kindred | it has installed elilo, but a config file doesnt exist for it, therefor dpkg cannot finish configuring |
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| 11:12.30 | Evo2 | Kindred: wow, I'd never even heard of that boot loader :-/ |
| 11:12.36 | Kindred | Same here |
| 11:13.01 | Kindred | Am wondering how I would remove/purge elilo, and continue the dpkg configuration |
| 11:13.04 | Evo2 | What sort of hardware are you using? |
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| 11:13.16 | Kindred | It's a lenovo z61m |
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| 11:14.41 | Evo2 | Kindred: You can always edit the postint script... |
| 11:15.07 | Kindred | Where would this script reside on the system? |
| 11:16.13 | Evo2 | Kindred: /var/lib/dpkg/info/elilo.postinst |
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| 11:17.03 | Kindred | thanks Evo2, i'll take a look |
| 11:17.05 | Evo2 | Kindred: you can at least have a look at it and work out exactly why it is failing to confiugre |
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| 11:17.22 | Kindred | It is failing because /etc/elilo.conf doesnt exist |
| 11:17.29 | Kindred | But I do not want to install elilo |
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| 11:17.46 | Evo2 | Kindred: theb you can purge it |
| 11:18.00 | Evo2 | dpkg --purge elilo |
| 11:18.00 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up elilo all over evo2 and krushik... |
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| 11:18.15 | giso | hi there, I want to make a fileserver very energy efficient. Any suggestions how to do this/where to start |
| 11:18.51 | Evo2 | giso: careful choice of hardware.. |
| 11:19.18 | Kindred | Evo2: that did the trick, thank-you for your help :) |
| 11:19.25 | Evo2 | Kindred: np |
| 11:19.46 | giso | all the hardware is already there (it's an old machine). |
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| 11:20.56 | Evo2 | giso: Oh I see. I guess the same tools that are used to save battery power on laptops could be used to save power on your fileserver |
| 11:21.18 | abrotman | dpkg: info powertop lenny |
| 11:21.49 | dpkg | powertop: (Linux tool to find out what is using power on a laptop), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.10-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 420 kB |
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| 11:22.24 | delly | How do I identify what drivers is used for my HD? lshw -C storage does not give me the correct one, lshw-gtk does not help either sadly(only gives information on the disk). |
| 11:22.41 | dutchfish | hello, is it enough to just hwclock --localtime --systohc to change the hardware clock to localtime and make it persistent over boots in Debian Squeeze? hwclock give sback now zo 06 sep 2009 13:21:54 CEST |
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| 11:23.56 | dutchfish | the d-i daily did not adjust it to localtime but instead defaulted to UTC |
| 11:24.01 | rindolf | Hi all. How can one install the Sun JDK (the open-source one) on Debian? It's not for me. |
| 11:24.01 | giso | abrotman: tnx, I'll try that software |
| 11:25.15 | nelu | hi all! i have a fresh (2 days) debian installed on an old laptop, my brother will use it for the next years. Thanks to the community! |
| 11:25.36 | Zharf | blinks |
| 11:25.38 | Zharf | ok.. |
| 11:25.43 | mhymn | rindolf: /msg dpkg icedtea |
| 11:25.56 | rindolf | mhymn: thanks |
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| 11:26.39 | dutchfish | delly, did you you try the smart tools? |
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| 11:27.32 | dutchfish | delly, smartmontools |
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| 11:29.02 | nelu | i need a package (and in fact only this package) inside sid, sagemath, to install. I am running the stable (lenny) now. How can i do this (safely)?! |
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| 11:29.28 | dutchfish | nelu, maybe fro backports |
| 11:29.31 | abrotman | !tell nelu about ssb |
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| 11:30.10 | Evo2 | nelu: sagemath? Seems not to me in my repos... |
| 11:30.17 | nelu | dutchfish: ok, i'll enrich the sources.list, let see, if it comes... |
| 11:30.42 | delly | Ok, i will try. Thanks |
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| 11:33.10 | nelu | evo2, thanks, http://wiki.sagemath.org/DebianSAGE claims, it is now in sid. It is a math soft that i need for teaching. (It seems to not be available from lenny.) |
| 11:33.50 | Evo2 | nelu: I see... I did the "apt-cache show sagemath" a lenny machine :-/ |
| 11:34.04 | abrotman | judd: versions sagemath |
| 11:34.04 | judd | abrotman: sagemath -- sid: 3.0.5dfsg-4 |
| 11:34.27 | themill | nelu: you may be able to backport sage to lenny but it's not a very friendly project for packaging or compiling. |
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| 11:37.10 | ajavid | justin, http://paste.debian.net/45835/ <- after much experimenting, this is the exact combination of configs I must run each time in order to have dualhead working correctly. |
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| 11:37.53 | ajavid | strange as hell, as nothing else will make it work right, is odd as hell. |
| 11:39.37 | bolt | trying to build xserver-xorg-core from source to insert some patches for my mouse to work the way I want it, I get an error saying "../../../../hw/xfree86/common/../loader/loaderProcs.h:59:31: error: X11/fonts/fontmod.h: No such file or directory". Entire build-log at http://pastebin.com/f61687da6 I did get build-deps first, and this is the unmodified source. What's up? |
| 11:40.07 | ajavid | justin, if I comment out line #4,#5, the mouse is screwed up again :) lol.. |
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| 11:44.05 | brutus | how do I specify the argument of the mv command as a regexp? |
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| 11:45.03 | themill | !wayttd brutus |
| 11:45.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, brutus? |
| 11:45.23 | brutus | dpkg, move all files satisfying a regexp to another location |
| 11:45.23 | dpkg | brutus: are you using Windows? |
| 11:45.38 | brutus | dpkg, no |
| 11:45.38 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 11:45.53 | bolt | gah. can nobody help me with this? |
| 11:45.54 | bolt | :( |
| 11:46.02 | themill | brutus: the shell usually uses globbing not regexps |
| 11:46.08 | abrotman | try to avoid having a converstaion with a bot :) |
| 11:46.18 | themill | !botspank |
| 11:46.18 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
| 11:46.55 | brutus | themill, nevermind, I found that 'mmv' can take arguments with wildcards |
| 11:47.08 | Evo2 | nelu just had a look at the build-depends for savemath... there are a bunch of packages that don't seem to be in lenny. Looks like a backport would be pretty tough to do |
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| 11:47.19 | Evo2 | s/savemath/sagemath |
| 11:47.25 | rindolf | bolt: you may need to play with the include paths. |
| 11:47.44 | rindolf | bolt: but are you sure you cannot do what you want by tweaking the xorg.conf? |
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| 11:48.26 | bolt | rindolf: yes. i'm patching it with, amongst other things, a different mouse acceleration algorithm, which i really like. it's in the upstream somewhere but wont be in for a while |
| 11:48.53 | mhymn | brutus: anywyas, #bash is generally a more suitable place to discuss similar issues imho |
| 11:49.21 | brutus | mhymn, thansk |
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| 11:51.28 | rindolf | bolt: ah. |
| 11:52.30 | bolt | hm.. while dpkg-buildpackage only fails with the error i gave, apt-get -b source <package> actually complains about some dependencies |
| 11:52.35 | bolt | i'll try and satisfy it :) |
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| 11:56.11 | NoNaMeNo | does eSata work fine in linux? |
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| 12:00.37 | nelu | themill: thanks for the help, i think, i'll install sagemath from the source... indeed, too many dependencies |
| 12:01.57 | nelu | abrotman: thanks a lot, i'll try to enrich the sources.list ! |
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| 12:14.30 | oxi | hi |
| 12:15.15 | oxi | Lenny -> Squeeze: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade > The following NEW packages will be installed: gcc-4.4-base{a} install-info{a} libbsd0{a} libc-bin{a} libc-dev-bin{a} libcap2{a} libdb4.7{a} libgssapi-krb5-2{a} libk5crypto3{a} libkrb5-3{a} libkrb5support0{a} python-support{a} sensible-utils{a} |
| 12:15.36 | oxi | Are really all of those required? |
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| 12:22.36 | NicoOOoOo | please, can you help me : http://paste.debian.net/45839/ |
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| 12:28.34 | themill | NicoOOoOo: we need more information to help you with that /msg dpkg bat ; /msg dpkg localised errors |
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| 12:33.52 | gum2tux | my system only have /dev/snd but do not have /dev/dsp and the Vmware server require /dev/dsp in order to make sound system working with its Guest OS, please advise me on how to link/or pointer to get /dev/snd detected as /dev/dsp ? |
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| 12:35.10 | DustyDingo | gum2tux: apt-get install alsa-oss |
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| 12:36.13 | DustyDingo | oss adds a /dev/dsp device and alsa can be wrapped to work like ol oss |
| 12:36.55 | gum2tux | DustyDingo, yes the alsa-oss package have been installed, do I need to create symbolic link. sorry I m newbie. |
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| 12:37.14 | cahoot | gum2tux: all you need i modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 12:37.55 | DustyDingo | hm |
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| 12:38.02 | gum2tux | cahoot, how do I know if have snd-pcm-oss module ? |
| 12:38.13 | cahoot | gum2tux: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 12:38.24 | cahoot | (as root) |
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| 12:39.09 | gum2tux | cahoot, the command modprobe snd-pcm-oss -- do not show anything outout |
| 12:39.12 | DustyDingo | but i guess this should be loaded automatically loaed on reboot then |
| 12:39.14 | gum2tux | *output |
| 12:39.23 | DustyDingo | gum2tux: then it's loaed correctly |
| 12:39.31 | cahoot | gum2tux: no complaints means it worked as expected |
| 12:39.52 | cahoot | gum2tux: ls -la /dev/dsp* |
| 12:40.02 | cahoot | they should be there now |
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| 12:41.10 | gum2tux | cahoot, yes -- but i still not very understand, i m newbie. what is the relationship between and alsa and oss ? |
| 12:41.54 | cahoot | gum2tux: oss is/was old deprecated - alsa provides what you need, even an oss-emulating function |
| 12:42.07 | gum2tux | DustyDingo, is it by running command apt-get install alsa-oss --- I will get /dev/dsp ? |
| 12:42.17 | cahoot | gum2tux: snd-pcm-oss is alsas oss emulation |
| 12:43.00 | gum2tux | cahoot, how do i get/install the snd-pcm-oss |
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| 12:43.19 | cahoot | gum2tux: it's already installed |
| 12:43.51 | gum2tux | cahoot, i do not know how was it being installed ? which command ? |
| 12:44.07 | cahoot | gum2tux: perhaps you need explicitly tell the system to load snd-pcm-oss - I'd expect it to be loaded by default |
| 12:44.36 | cahoot | gum2tux: it comes with any modern kernel |
| 12:44.53 | cahoot | s/kernel/debian kernel/ |
| 12:45.20 | gum2tux | cahoot, many thank for explanation |
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| 12:50.19 | jair | hello guys, I am using debian lenny to run my dns server bind9 and i noticed the server working well, resolving properly but there is a log message that bothers me and I think is regarding ipv6. The bind9 is trying to use ipv6 faild then go to ipv4. It is a way I can stop this error messages or stop bind9 or debian to use only ipv4 for now? |
| 12:50.42 | jair | I think is there an option on the "/etc/default/bind" I need to add? |
| 12:50.57 | jair | that is the only think I have found but I am not sure of the syntax |
| 12:51.28 | _AnywhereIs_ | jair: i guess you can use binding to some IPv4 address you provide in general ISCÂ BIND config. |
| 12:52.09 | dutchfish | jair, a bit old but still valid: http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/DNS_-_Bind9 |
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| 12:53.45 | dutchfish | jair, in particular the paragraph about Slow DNS lookup issues with bind9 |
| 12:57.49 | jair | dutchfish: let me check guys |
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| 13:05.15 | eshat | Hi all, why can't I extend my monitor in krandr, I can only duplciate it... (KDE 4.3 on debian sid) |
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| 13:07.57 | jair | alright I added this line: # startup options for the server |
| 13:07.57 | jair | OPTIONS="-u bind" |
| 13:07.57 | jair | OPTIONS="-4 -u bind" |
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| 13:08.34 | zeroConf | evangulizes debian |
| 13:08.57 | jair | but I still see the ipv6 trying to start. and whn I browse the error still appearing on the logs... do I need to reboot debian lenny for this to take effect? |
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| 13:13.41 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 13:14.51 | klawd | hi. can i update a single package with aptitude? i tried "aptitude upgrade foo" but it wants to upgrade every package |
| 13:14.55 | _2 | ok now what am i doing wrong? uname -r reports that the etchnhalf is running "2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686" and lsmod reports that the module is loaded "mac80211 115052 1 ath5k" but still ifconfig -a doesn't list the interface ??? |
| 13:15.09 | klawd | s/update/upgrade/ |
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| 13:16.23 | jair | dutchfish: it did actually stopped the messages |
| 13:16.43 | jair | dutchfish: I added a second line as I pasted here thank you very much |
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| 13:17.15 | eptalon | I am trying to play a mkv file (which was made from a blu-ray), but I do not get any image with xine or vlc. |
| 13:17.27 | eptalon | any idea what this could be? |
| 13:17.50 | _2 | dmesg | grep ath reports >>> ath5k phy0: failed to resume the MAC Chip |
| 13:17.54 | _2 | ath5k_pci: probe of 0000:02:00.0 failed with error -5 |
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| 13:18.40 | themill | _2: what's "lspci -nn" for that device? |
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| 13:19.17 | _2 | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
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| 13:19.33 | _2 | themill ^ |
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| 13:21.11 | dutchfish | jair, yw |
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| 13:22.22 | _budo | cant find java plugin package for iceweasel |
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| 13:25.00 | themill | _2: the error on modprobe "failed with error -5" is significant but I've not yet worked out what causes it |
| 13:25.13 | themill | _budo: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 13:26.15 | funyun | noob here. how do i make another partition usable? for instance. if i try to move a file to said partition, i get this "cp: cannot create regular file: Permission denied" |
| 13:26.49 | _budo | how you do download non free version ? |
| 13:27.21 | abrotman | did you read what the bot told you ? |
| 13:27.43 | themill | _budo: /msg dpkg non-free sources ; aptitude install sun-java6-plugin |
| 13:27.50 | _budo | yes and i already have java runtime |
| 13:27.55 | _2 | funyun change the permissions for the dir remount the fs r/w or remount the fs with psyudo permissions that will allow writting (ms filesystems) or use root |
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| 13:28.38 | themill | _2: had you previously been using madwifi? |
| 13:28.50 | _2 | themill no |
| 13:29.10 | funyun | _2: how do i change permissions? |
| 13:29.37 | _2 | themill clean install of etch then installed etchnhalf kernel that's all |
| 13:29.37 | eshat | Hi all, why can't I extend my monitor in krandr, I can only duplciate it... (KDE 4.3 on debian sid) |
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| 13:29.54 | abrotman | _2: why not use lenny? |
| 13:29.55 | themill | eshat: try #debian-kde on oftc |
| 13:29.58 | _2 | funyun if it's a linux fs use chmod |
| 13:30.28 | _2 | abrotman same answer i gave you three days ago. dialup and only have etch on cd |
| 13:30.30 | funyun | _2: chmod +x dir? |
| 13:30.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:30.40 | abrotman | doesn't remember that answer .. but okay! |
| 13:30.55 | themill | _2: ask someone to post you a lenny cd... |
| 13:31.14 | _2 | funyun yes |
| 13:31.53 | funyun | _2: still getting the same error :( |
| 13:31.59 | _budo | ok, thank you |
| 13:32.05 | _budo | the icedtea-gcjwebplugin did it |
| 13:32.28 | _2 | themill i had lenny and it wouldn't boot it's own kernels any of them so i had to reload. some error with building the initramfs image that i never could work out. |
| 13:33.14 | _2 | themill but at any rate, my wifi is 'supposed' to work in etch |
| 13:34.12 | themill | _2: perhaps. ath5k isn't exactly mature |
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| 13:34.24 | _2 | perhaps. |
| 13:34.48 | _2 | themill any known issues with installing "madwifi" on etchnhalf ? |
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| 13:35.55 | leejongwook | hi, i need a file browser with tab function |
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| 13:36.50 | _2 | leejongwook konqueror ? |
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| 13:37.06 | leejongwook | _2, :) thanks |
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| 13:38.21 | leejongwook | <-- installing 28 new packages to use konqueror |
| 13:38.39 | _2 | yeah it's a kde app |
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| 13:39.06 | leejongwook | file browser ? or internet browser ? |
| 13:39.13 | themill | both |
| 13:39.14 | _2 | yes |
| 13:39.25 | _2 | and very mature |
| 13:39.26 | leejongwook | hi themill :) your here |
| 13:39.33 | leejongwook | :) thanks |
| 13:40.13 | arvind_khadri | -hi, i installed kvm,how do i use it? i am running a stand-alone machine... |
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| 13:43.02 | leejongwook | what is kvm ? |
| 13:43.32 | avu | !kvm |
| 13:43.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, kvm is kernel virtual memory, or keyboard/video/mouse. Kernel-based Virtual Machine, see http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions. Also alsk me about <literal xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 13:44.26 | leejongwook | :) thanks, _2 kongqueror is great :) |
| 13:44.57 | leejongwook | but the spell is hard to remember @_@ |
| 13:45.05 | motanelul | and I register as ã channel |
| 13:46.58 | leejongwook | _2, no more nautilus, i've been looking for a file browser like this one for about a month. finally... :) thanks really |
| 13:49.36 | _budo | today is not my day |
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| 13:50.32 | foo | I get an e-mail from rkhunter saying this: Warning: The file properties have changed: File: /usr/bin/curl ... no idea why, curl is probably fine (it started this after I did an update). I have RTKT_FILE_WHITELIST="/usr/bin/curl" in /etc/rkhunter.conf, but rkhunter still complains. Any tips? Thanks |
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| 13:52.29 | shakaponk | hey folks |
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| 13:52.58 | shakaponk | can you tell me how to install the latest stable gallery2? |
| 13:54.05 | cahoot | on lenny? |
| 13:54.12 | _budo | iceweasel blocks all my popups |
| 13:54.15 | shakaponk | debian 4.0 |
| 13:54.17 | shakaponk | sorry |
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| 13:54.46 | shakaponk | or better update from gallery 2.1 to 2.3 |
| 13:54.53 | _budo | i cant play a game in yahoo games because it blocks all my popups |
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| 13:55.47 | shakaponk | ok, i think i've found a solution... manually... |
| 13:55.53 | cahoot | shakaponk: 2.3.1 is in squeeze - |
| 13:56.56 | shakaponk | cahoot and that means |
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| 13:57.16 | SeLEct | Hi, how do you make apt-get install "extra" packages? |
| 13:57.32 | abrotman | SeLEct: use aptitude .. it will install recommends by default |
| 13:57.32 | SeLEct | i mean skip them |
| 13:57.50 | SeLEct | abrotman im trying to install libtorrent 10, but it wants to install rtorrent to |
| 13:57.56 | SeLEct | i don't want apt to install rtorrent |
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| 13:58.05 | abrotman | SeLEct: aptitude -R install foo |
| 13:59.34 | joeytwiddle | ouch aptitude just killed my OS! Setting up libc6 (2.9-25) ... dpkg: error processing libc6 (--configure): ... subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault) ... % apt-get -f install ... Segmentation fault |
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| 14:00.32 | abrotman | joeytwiddle: unstable? |
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| 14:01.41 | kibombo | how do you install a kernel? |
| 14:01.57 | abrotman | kibombo: apt-cache search linux-image .. install the one you want |
| 14:02.00 | foo | abrotman: nevarr! :) |
| 14:02.13 | kibombo | foo: :P |
| 14:02.27 | foo | I get an e-mail from rkhunter saying this: Warning: The file properties have changed: File: /usr/bin/curl ... no idea why, curl is probably fine (it started this after I did an update). I have RTKT_FILE_WHITELIST="/usr/bin/curl" in /etc/rkhunter.conf, but rkhunter still complains. Any tips? Weiiird. Google doesn't seem to be helping me |
| 14:02.29 | kibombo | what about headers and stuff? |
| 14:02.51 | joeytwiddle | ooh this might have caused it: libc6-amd64 [2.7-18 (stable, now) -> 2.9-25 (testing)] |
| 14:02.52 | abrotman | kibombo: apt-cache search linux-headers ? |
| 14:02.56 | joeytwiddle | i don't have an AMD64 |
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| 14:03.18 | abrotman | foo: did you recently update any packages ? |
| 14:03.18 | kibombo | argh, i don't know everything to install to get a working system |
| 14:03.28 | foo | abrotman: yeah, that message started after an update |
| 14:03.33 | abrotman | kibombo: if your system boots, you already have a kernel |
| 14:03.38 | kibombo | it doesn't |
| 14:03.50 | kibombo | kernel, headers, and?.. |
| 14:03.55 | abrotman | kibombo: did it ever boot ? |
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| 14:04.01 | kibombo | it reboot into grub |
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| 14:04.10 | joeytwiddle | abrotman, i do have 'unstable' in my sources.list, but aptitude said it would do: libc6-i686 [2.7-18 (stable, now) -> 2.9-25 (testing)] |
| 14:04.17 | kibombo | but grub has no kernel to boot into |
| 14:04.17 | abrotman | if you don't hve a booting system, how were you planning to install a kernel ? |
| 14:04.24 | kibombo | s/into// |
| 14:04.40 | kibombo | oh, this is an old ubuntu distro |
| 14:04.40 | abrotman | joeytwiddle: sounds like you broke it |
| 14:04.44 | kibombo | live distro |
| 14:04.46 | abrotman | kibombo: then go ask #ubuntu |
| 14:04.52 | kibombo | i'm not using ubuntu |
| 14:04.52 | abrotman | or are you trying to fix debian ? |
| 14:04.58 | kibombo | i'm trying to install debian |
| 14:05.02 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 14:05.02 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
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| 14:05.09 | kibombo | i can't burn a cd |
| 14:05.14 | kibombo | i used debootstrap |
| 14:05.24 | kibombo | to install a base system without a kernel it seems |
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| 14:06.10 | tzafrir_laptop | you can't boot or can't burn? |
| 14:06.25 | kibombo | can't burn, can't boot |
| 14:06.33 | kibombo | i'm in a live cd |
| 14:07.02 | joeytwiddle | *sob* system trashed but i'm still here in IRC :D |
| 14:07.33 | joeytwiddle | kibombo: try apt-cache search linux-image or something, you can just download a kernel |
| 14:07.34 | kibombo | the basic system that debootstrap installed doesn't suffice, i had to install grub2, grub-mkdevicemap, grub-install, update-grub2, and now i need a kernel for it to even boot |
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| 14:07.55 | kibombo | but isn't there more, there are headers and other files iirc |
| 14:09.01 | joeytwiddle | i find the headers get selected for install automatically |
| 14:09.09 | abrotman | kibombo: what is your CPU ? |
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| 14:09.30 | joeytwiddle | maybe that's when i first run module-assistant |
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| 14:10.01 | kibombo | abrotman: model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP cpu MHz : 1132.791 |
| 14:10.04 | kibombo | 686 i know |
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| 14:10.20 | tzafrir_laptop | kibombo, what program do you use to burn? |
| 14:10.21 | abrotman | kibombo: aptitude install linux-image-686 .. you don't need headers or source or anything else .. |
| 14:10.26 | kibombo | tzafrir_laptop: -_- |
| 14:10.33 | kibombo | okay |
| 14:10.58 | tzafrir_laptop | ah, ok. missed the beginning |
| 14:11.07 | kibombo | it happens :) |
| 14:12.27 | SeLEct | Could i PM someone who knows rtorrent and libtorrent+ |
| 14:12.29 | SeLEct | ? |
| 14:12.57 | SeLEct | no need, solved |
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| 14:13.40 | hid3nax | Hello everyone. How can I install tiny graphical interface on an old PC (400 MHz 512 RAM 4 MB video) with one command? |
| 14:14.13 | hid3nax | I just need to be able to view JPEGs and small *.avi file |
| 14:14.15 | asg | hid3nax: /msg dpkg install xfce |
| 14:14.20 | hid3nax | thanks |
| 14:14.39 | tzafrir_laptop | actually, you can use even simpler interfaces |
| 14:14.39 | _budo | iceweasel blocks all my popups |
| 14:14.43 | tzafrir_laptop | e.g. lxde |
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| 14:15.02 | tzafrir_laptop | or even a simpler WM (e.g. icewm) with e.g. rox-filer |
| 14:15.26 | adb | jwm |
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| 14:15.47 | abrotman | xfce is small ? |
| 14:15.50 | tzafrir_laptop | _budo, is that good or bad? |
| 14:16.03 | _budo | even after disabling my themes and extensions |
| 14:16.07 | tzafrir_laptop | smaller than gnome. There are smaller desktops |
| 14:16.12 | _budo | bad because now i cant play yahoo games |
| 14:16.26 | tzafrir_laptop | _budo, do you need to see some specific pop-ups? |
| 14:16.49 | joeytwiddle | _budo: firefox has popup-blocking options, in the preferences |
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| 14:17.05 | jkjkjkjkkj | does somebody knows in which directory is located the database in postgresql |
| 14:17.07 | jkjkjkjkkj | ? |
| 14:17.08 | tzafrir_laptop | look at the bottom left(?) corner. There should be an image there whenever a pop-up is blocked |
| 14:17.13 | _budo | i noticed apt-get remove doesnt remove the app completely |
| 14:17.26 | _budo | i just want to uninstall the whole app and reinstall it |
| 14:17.38 | tzafrir_laptop | _budo, look into "purge" |
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| 14:18.03 | tzafrir_laptop | specifically, "remove" does not remove configuration files |
| 14:19.13 | tzafrir_laptop | If you just want to reinstall the files (except config files), install the package with --reinstall |
| 14:19.14 | asg | jkjkjkjkkj: /var/lib/postgres or something similar |
| 14:19.41 | jkjkjkjkkj | asg thanks |
| 14:19.50 | _budo | okay |
| 14:20.54 | kibombo | can't find locale-gen and so i'm recieving this error when installing files http://dpaste.com/90279/ |
| 14:21.21 | kibombo | guess i can add en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 by hand though |
| 14:21.33 | rindolf | Hi tzafrir_laptop |
| 14:21.34 | SeLEct | So any libtorrent, rtorrent pro around? :) |
| 14:21.59 | tzafrir_laptop | rindolf, hi there |
| 14:22.20 | abrotman | SeLEct: ask your real question |
| 14:22.30 | SeLEct | abrotman rtorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libtorrent.so.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:22.31 | rindolf | tzafrir_laptop: I'll /msg you. |
| 14:22.31 | tzafrir_laptop | kibombo, workaround: export LC_ALL=C |
| 14:22.32 | kibombo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.42 | SeLEct | abrotman I get that when i try to start rtorrent |
| 14:22.58 | kibombo | tzafrir_laptop: what does that C stand for? |
| 14:22.59 | tzafrir_laptop | (though even setting LAN instead of LC_ALL should do) |
| 14:23.00 | SeLEct | abrotman Maybe i needed to specify to rtorrent where libtorrent was when i configured/installed it? |
| 14:23.07 | _budo | purge doesnt do it |
| 14:23.13 | _budo | it says its removed but its not |
| 14:23.24 | abrotman | SeLEct: did you compile rtorrent ? |
| 14:23.30 | SeLEct | abrotman yes |
| 14:23.42 | abrotman | so it needs that library |
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| 14:24.02 | SeLEct | but i installed libtorrent? |
| 14:24.17 | abrotman | doesn't mean it was the right version |
| 14:24.28 | SeLEct | abrotman i used their svn. |
| 14:24.31 | SeLEct | should be |
| 14:25.03 | abrotman | used whose svn ? |
| 14:25.36 | _budo | tzafrir: i want to erase completely the config files |
| 14:26.05 | fxiny | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.10 | SeLEct | abrotman libtorrent and rtorrents site, they are the same. I can even find that .so file in /usr/local/lib |
| 14:26.17 | SeLEct | fxiny yes |
| 14:26.38 | abrotman | SeLEct: ldd `which rtorrent` |
| 14:27.04 | leejongwook | can't open terminal with konqueror |
| 14:27.15 | tzafrir_laptop | _budo, apt-get --purge remove packagename |
| 14:27.18 | SeLEct | abrotman i used svn://rakshasa.no/libtorrent/trunk/libtorrent and svn://rakshasa.no/libtorrent/trunk/rtorrent |
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| 14:27.22 | tzafrir_laptop | or: dpkg --purge packagename |
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| 14:27.52 | abrotman | !tell tzafrir_laptop about why aptitude |
| 14:27.57 | abrotman | _budo: aptitude purge foo |
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| 14:28.19 | foo | abrotman: nevarr! any ideas on my rkhunter issue? Maybe I can manually update it somewhere? |
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| 14:28.38 | tzafrir_laptop | abrotman, I know aptitude. tell that to _budo (he asked explicitly about apt-get) |
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| 14:28.50 | abrotman | tzafrir_laptop: tell him why he should be using aptitude ? |
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| 14:28.56 | xeon-enouf | ... |
| 14:29.25 | _budo | okay. now thats more like it |
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| 14:30.25 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 14:30.29 | bolt | bash says "\$" in a prompt will determine if the "effective uid" is 0. is this something other than checking if the uid is 0? how can I perform the same check, given it covers more cases? |
| 14:30.29 | leejongwook | hi :) |
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| 14:31.27 | TrueDD | hi leejongwook |
| 14:31.33 | leejongwook | hi :) |
| 14:31.38 | person | Hello] |
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| 14:32.00 | person | I'm trying to remove lxde and the packages unique to the lxde-desktop task that isn't in the other *-desktop tasks |
| 14:32.09 | xeon-enouf | bolt: whoami |
| 14:32.18 | xeon-enouf | bolt: man id? |
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| 14:32.45 | bolt | xeon-enouf: ah. thanks. gratz with the new cpu, btw? |
| 14:32.50 | _2 | bolt echo $UID |
| 14:32.56 | xeon-enouf | person: tasksel --task-packages lxde-desktop |
| 14:33.16 | xeon-enouf | bolt: new*er* heh ;-) |
| 14:33.35 | leejongwook | bolt, if [ "$(id -u)" != "0" ]; then <--- how about this ? |
| 14:33.36 | person | xeon-enouf: thanks |
| 14:34.02 | xeon-enouf | bolt: for scripting, to be able to tell, look at say /etc/profile |
| 14:34.03 | bolt | leejongwook: that's exactly what I just wrote :) |
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| 14:34.09 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 14:34.13 | Chymera1 | do you know of any program suited for making flyers that runs under linux? |
| 14:34.22 | person | xeon-enouf: Why does removing lxde and lxde-core not remove the other lxde packages when they are marked as auto? |
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| 14:34.38 | xeon-enouf | bolt: the part like this; |
| 14:34.40 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.42 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.12 | xeon-enouf | Chymera1: possibly OO.o Impress? |
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| 14:36.03 | arvind_khadri | while installing windows, using qemu, i get that some file is not being copied, nothing happens if i hit retry but continues when i skip it..what to do? |
| 14:36.10 | xeon-enouf | person: i don't know .. using which debian? which pkg manager? |
| 14:36.15 | xeon-enouf | !nomarkauto |
| 14:36.21 | xeon-enouf | !unmarkauto |
| 14:36.21 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 14:36.32 | person | xeon-enouf: aptitude |
| 14:36.48 | xeon-enouf | person: aptitude has many ways to ask it things ... |
| 14:37.07 | xeon-enouf | aptitude why <other lxde packages> |
| 14:37.11 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.13 | bolt | xeon-enouf: got it. thanks :D |
| 14:37.29 | person | thanks xeon-enouf |
| 14:38.00 | xeon-enouf | person: the aptitude-doc-en pkg has more info |
| 14:38.39 | themill | Chymera1: OOo Draw if you want cheap and cheerful; scribus or inkscape if you're looking for something more powerful |
| 14:38.48 | xeon-enouf | is not sure what's covered in those html docs that is /not/ covered in man aptitude or /usr/share/doc/aptitude/* |
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| 14:39.04 | person | xeon-enouf: Hmm seems that quite a few stuff isn't marked auto |
| 14:39.18 | arvind_khadri | could someone please help me with that please... |
| 14:39.43 | JyZyXEL | sudo echo 200000 > /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min |
| 14:39.45 | JyZyXEL | bash: /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min: Permission denied |
| 14:40.15 | xeon-enouf | arvind_khadri: no idea; is there a #qemu channel? |
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| 14:40.38 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: sudo sh -c 'echo 200000 > /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min' |
| 14:40.38 | JyZyXEL | whats up with that |
| 14:40.45 | themill | JyZyXEL: you need to learn about what command is doing the redirection. "man sudo" has some correct examples. man bash too |
| 14:40.47 | _budo | smh. its not working, right |
| 14:40.49 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: or, su to root prior |
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| 14:40.57 | twisted` | weird I gave a user a new homedir on a different disk |
| 14:41.07 | twisted` | but for some reason the userspace still thinks it's in the old homedir |
| 14:41.18 | twisted` | (gnome thinks so anyway, shell shows with pwd the correct path) |
| 14:41.25 | twisted` | but I'm unable to produce files cause it's full |
| 14:41.34 | twisted` | what could've gone wrong or be the problem? |
| 14:41.36 | arvind_khadri | xeon-enouf, i tried asking there, they are all asleep :( |
| 14:41.46 | hid3nax | Does anyone know a small video player to play *.avi files? |
| 14:41.53 | Serraphyn | Hey can anyone recommend an MP3 sorter util ? |
| 14:41.55 | twisted` | xeon-enouf: tee |
| 14:42.07 | twisted` | xeon-enouf: man tee |
| 14:42.12 | twisted` | took me 2 days to figure out |
| 14:42.53 | twisted` | the pointers are in the enviroment of the user running it, sudo will be in another enviroment so the pointer cannot be used cause it cannot talk to each other |
| 14:43.00 | twisted` | but tee will output to a file and stdout |
| 14:43.00 | xeon-enouf | twisted`: i have no idea what you are talking about |
| 14:43.24 | twisted` | oh it was for JyZyXEL I see |
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| 14:43.52 | twisted` | my bad |
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| 14:44.11 | xeon-enouf | no worries |
| 14:45.17 | xeon-enouf | twisted`: why not just rsync -a all the files in /home/old to /home/new, and put a symlink pointing to /new where /old was |
| 14:45.29 | _budo | anyone know how to get java working |
| 14:45.34 | twisted` | xeon-enouf: cause u'd expect the /etc/passwd file to do it's work :p |
| 14:45.38 | xeon-enouf | !install java |
| 14:45.38 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. Also see <java alternatives> |
| 14:45.42 | twisted` | I can do that but it's weird |
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| 14:45.51 | ranix | !sunday |
| 14:45.51 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 14:46.01 | twisted` | and I'd like to keep the old hdd in touch so it's an exact backup |
| 14:46.12 | xeon-enouf | twisted`: rsync allows that |
| 14:46.21 | _budo | ive already did that and i have the java development installed |
| 14:46.29 | twisted` | xeon-enouf: no u don't understand |
| 14:46.31 | twisted` | why remove data |
| 14:46.33 | twisted` | if you don't have to |
| 14:46.34 | twisted` | :) |
| 14:46.37 | twisted` | the new hdd might die |
| 14:46.37 | xeon-enouf | twisted`: and if it's full, it won't stay 'exact' backup for long |
| 14:46.41 | xeon-enouf | !enter |
| 14:46.41 | _budo | i'm losing patience with linux |
| 14:46.41 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 14:47.07 | xeon-enouf | twisted`: rsync doesn't remove data when used the way i mentioned |
| 14:47.13 | twisted` | aww cute, display runnin out of phosphor :p |
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| 14:47.17 | Serraphyn | Anyone recommend a MP3 sort utility for organizing songs and updating tags and titles? |
| 14:47.30 | twisted` | xeon-enouf: no but pointin to the new dir would mean I'd have to remove the old dir, I could mv it ofcourse |
| 14:47.38 | twisted` | but the endresult is that the old hdd has to be tainted |
| 14:47.48 | xeon-enouf | Serraphyn: /msg dpkg dmm .... then apt-get update ; apt-cache search id3 |
| 14:48.11 | _budo | i have openjdk on my computer |
| 14:48.27 | twisted` | I assume that GNOME is just fubarrin it cause I just removed a file from the shell and it removed it from the NEW homedir and NOT the old one |
| 14:48.27 | xeon-enouf | twisted`: did you use usermod? or what |
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| 14:48.39 | twisted` | xeon-enouf: just did a manual edit of passwd |
| 14:48.42 | twisted` | xeon-enouf: could try usermod |
| 14:49.00 | themill | Serraphyn: I've used juk for that task a few times. It has quite a good tag editor for doing mass-updates |
| 14:49.13 | kibombo | root@ubuntu:~# cat /mnt/debian/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:49.13 | kibombo | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main |
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| 14:49.38 | xeon-enouf | does 'printenv' show anything (VARs) that point to old home |
| 14:49.38 | Serraphyn | themill, I'm hoping to find somehting that looks up the tag information and updates stuff properly, and need it to remove duplicates cause It hink Ihave a few duplicates |
| 14:49.41 | themill | _budo: "/msg dpkg doesn't work" and try to be less vague. |
| 14:49.45 | kibombo | is that wrong... |
| 14:49.54 | twisted` | usermod: user /mnt/300gb/hemerte/ does not exist; which is weird cause: drwxrwxr-x 5 root root 4.0K 2009-09-06 16:38 300gb |
| 14:49.59 | twisted` | it's definately there |
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| 14:50.32 | _budo | this is what i want to do.......i have jdk on there, so the runtime is on there |
| 14:50.32 | xeon-enouf | Serraphyn: #linux might have some better/specific suggestions |
| 14:50.37 | themill | Serraphyn: I *think* it can do some of that too but it's years since I played with it |
| 14:50.38 | xeon-enouf | er ##linux Serraphyn |
| 14:51.03 | xeon-enouf | kibombo: /msg dpkg wayttd |
| 14:51.12 | _budo | what do i have to do, to remove all this mess that is in the way, dependent or whatever of me playing java applets |
| 14:51.21 | mhymn | Serraphyn: for working with tags i recommend exfalso, and am using fdupes for duplicated files |
| 14:51.57 | Serraphyn | thanks guys |
| 14:52.17 | _budo | i have shockwave and gcjweb plugins |
| 14:52.19 | themill | _budo: what mess? I still have know idea what you're trying to achieve and in what way things aren't working. |
| 14:52.37 | twisted` | what could be causing it that usermod doesn't think the dir exists? |
| 14:53.02 | xeon-enouf | twisted`: ifyou only edited /etc/passwd, put i back to normal |
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| 14:53.17 | _budo | This game cannot be played using your current settings. Please, try the following: |
| 14:53.19 | twisted` | ah had the syntax wrong |
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| 14:53.41 | xeon-enouf | twisted`: shadowing involves other /etc/ files and involves some PAM |
| 14:53.43 | _budo | http://games.yahoo.com/games/ante?room=spades_adv_b&prof_id=chat_pf_1 |
| 14:53.57 | _budo | the url is not working |
| 14:54.53 | _budo | there is this grey box that come up immediately and all of sudden disappears |
| 14:54.55 | twisted` | yeah just used usermod |
| 14:54.57 | twisted` | might work now |
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| 14:59.13 | themill | _budo: make sure iceweael is using the right java plugin. /msg dpkg update-java-alternatives |
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| 15:01.05 | leejongwook | can't open terminal with konqueror :P |
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| 15:01.05 | lvh | anyone know if any of the debian-installer squeeze-installing nightly images support ext4 |
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| 15:02.13 | xeon-enouf | lvh: i think so, not sure, but you need to use grub2 if you intend to boot into it |
| 15:02.18 | xeon-enouf | !ext4 |
| 15:02.18 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Adds features such as support for volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy. http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:03.01 | xeon-enouf | (or another bootloader) |
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| 15:03.44 | themill | leejongwook: do you have "konsole" installed? |
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| 15:04.22 | xeon-enouf | lvh: could ask simply in #debian-boot on oftc, but it's a dev channel - read the Installation Guide for testing/squeeze? |
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| 15:04.45 | leejongwook | themill, no :) gnome-terminal |
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| 15:05.08 | twisted` | bah... xterm ftw |
| 15:05.22 | _budo | themill: java-6-openjdk 1061 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk |
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| 15:10.35 | arvind_khadri | while installing windows, using qemu, i get that some file is not being copied, nothing happens if i hit retry but continues when i skip it..what to do? |
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| 15:11.07 | twisted` | arvind_khadri: ehr? |
| 15:11.14 | twisted` | arvind_khadri: windows gives an error or qemu? |
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| 15:11.25 | bolt | how can I figure out which modules are used for which hardware? I want to disable one of my two soundcards in Linux |
| 15:11.32 | twisted` | bolt: lspci -k |
| 15:11.34 | arvind_khadri | twisted`, it just doesnt copy a file while the installation |
| 15:11.43 | twisted` | arvind_khadri: disc busted? |
| 15:11.59 | bolt | twisted`: ooh! just what I was looking for. thansk! |
| 15:12.02 | bolt | thanks* |
| 15:12.06 | leejongwook | themill, thanks :) see you |
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| 15:12.18 | arvind_khadri | twisted`, might be a possibility |
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| 15:13.10 | arvind_khadri | twisted`, but i feel its fine... dunno how to test against it? |
| 15:13.33 | xeon-enouf | twisted`: IINM, -k isn't available for Lenny's pciutils pkg |
| 15:14.30 | twisted` | xeon-enouf: hmm dunno then |
| 15:14.38 | twisted` | arvind_khadri: another medium? |
| 15:15.02 | arvind_khadri | twisted`, trying with the win98 |
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| 15:15.21 | xeon-enouf | twisted`: no worries, just making you aware ... |
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| 15:16.07 | twisted` | arvind_khadri: that's old-skool yo |
| 15:16.10 | kibombo | mount -t proc none /mnt/debian/proc |
| 15:16.10 | kibombo | # mount -o bind /dev /mnt/debian/dev |
| 15:16.10 | twisted` | dosftl |
| 15:16.24 | kibombo | do i have to do that each and every time i chroot or just the first time when installing? |
| 15:16.45 | kibombo | because after the instlal it already has a proc and dev iirc |
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| 15:18.34 | xeon-enouf | !wayttd |
| 15:18.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 15:18.44 | kibombo | !stfu |
| 15:18.44 | dpkg | methinks stfu is Shut The Fuck Up |
| 15:19.08 | themill | kibombo: ? |
| 15:19.14 | kibombo | thought i would try it :) |
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| 15:19.58 | kibombo | if wayttd was intended for me.. i'm just wondering if i have to mount /dev and proc each time to chroot |
| 15:20.41 | xeon-enouf | why are you chrooting? |
| 15:20.55 | xeon-enouf | what's the intended goal? |
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| 15:21.24 | themill | the bind-mount will stay there until either it's removed with umount or you reboot. |
| 15:21.35 | poisonbit | is the debian subversion architecture documented at anyplace ? |
| 15:21.42 | themill | (check the output of "mount" to see if it's still in place) |
| 15:22.06 | themill | poisonbit: can you provide some more context? |
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| 15:22.26 | poisonbit | themill, i need to re-make the svn.mywork.com |
| 15:22.34 | xeon-enouf | themill: i've seen odd outputs from 'mount' when chroot are involved, i suggest cat /proc/mounts |
| 15:22.43 | poisonbit | and i would like to see how, debiana nd other distros manage that thing |
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| 15:22.50 | poisonbit | autentication, etc |
| 15:23.00 | zeroConf | i suggeste watch cat proc mount |
| 15:23.03 | zeroConf | s |
| 15:23.06 | zeroConf | with slashes |
| 15:23.12 | themill | poisonbit: ahh... most of that is (I believe) managed through alioth |
| 15:23.19 | GoGi | I have installed bind9 and it runs but does not respond to queries |
| 15:23.45 | poisonbit | themill, do you know if DDs use ldap for that ? |
| 15:23.46 | GoGi | I can't even stop it with the init-script because that wants to connect to bind |
| 15:24.05 | themill | poisonbit: I believe so |
| 15:24.28 | themill | poisonbit: "/msg dpkg alioth" might help you |
| 15:24.36 | poisonbit | "/msg dpkg alioth |
| 15:24.40 | poisonbit | ops |
| 15:25.01 | poisonbit | thanks themill |
| 15:25.09 | oasisfai | ->GoGi, are you sure your bind9 deamon was running? |
| 15:25.30 | GoGi | yes netstat even shows that it is listening on 127.0.0.1 port 53 tcp and udp |
| 15:25.45 | kibombo | xeon-enouf: because i need to chroot. the intended goal is to chroot into the installed system and mess around |
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| 15:26.30 | xeon-enouf | well, you're setup to 'mess' alright |
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| 15:27.55 | kibombo | wtf, i can ping google when i'm chrooted but can't ping when i reboot into the system |
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| 15:28.16 | oasisfai | o->GoGi, ok, have you test your bind9 using nslookup or hosts command? |
| 15:28.22 | GoGi | dig |
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| 15:29.08 | GoGi | I just tried host, also no answer |
| 15:29.33 | oasisfai | ->GoGi, you try to query lan or internet host name? |
| 15:29.42 | xeon-enouf | kibombo: did you bind /sys also? (just a hunch - notice ls /sys/class/net) |
| 15:30.28 | kibombo | history | grep sys |
| 15:30.28 | kibombo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.29 | kibombo | nope |
| 15:30.44 | Esine | Hi. I have an ext4 root file system, and sometimes when I reboot it runs fsck. That is fine, but I noticed e2fsck can return an error code after some errors have been corrected which signals the system should be shutdown. e2fsck(8) EXIT CODE section |
| 15:30.50 | kibombo | i copied over my resolv.conf before too |
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| 15:30.59 | Esine | I was wondering why this is. Why should it need to reboot the system after running fsck? |
| 15:31.17 | xeon-enouf | Esine: man fsck |
| 15:31.31 | oasisfai | ->GoGi, if you try to query internet hostname, you have to configure your bind9 as a dns forwarder. |
| 15:31.52 | Esine | xeon-enouf: yes, that seems to list the same error codes as e2fsck I mentioned, but it does not explain WHY |
| 15:31.58 | xeon-enouf | Esine: some errors need a reboot to insure integrity - the nitty-gritty of why? no idea |
| 15:32.00 | Esine | To me it seems absurd |
| 15:32.02 | xeon-enouf | offhand |
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| 15:34.03 | kibombo | how do i go about diagnosing the network issue? |
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| 15:46.36 | mvilla | Hello people. I'm having a problem with processes on my debian box. When I start processes (say mysql, weblogic, and some others) it launches 10 processes instead of a single one. Can anyone help me to solve this issue? Thanks |
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| 15:52.53 | sintack | hello. can someone please point me to a list of mirrors that has "netinst" images? |
| 15:53.04 | sintack | "netinst" or "businesscard" |
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| 15:53.43 | lvh | sintack: google "debian-installer" first hit |
| 15:53.53 | lvh | sintack: also, ftp.xx.debian.org |
| 15:53.54 | sintack | ah thanks lvh |
| 15:54.03 | lvh | sintack: replace xx with your 2 letter country code |
| 15:54.07 | arvind_khadri | !tell sintack about netinstall |
| 15:54.41 | lvh | does anyone know of an automounter (a bit like gnome) except that it automounts stuff in ~/media/foo? |
| 15:54.49 | lvh | Maybe something with FUSE. I'm not sure. |
| 15:55.19 | lvh | Seems kind of silly to use all of gnome when that's the only part of gnome I actually use :-) |
| 15:55.44 | cast | lvh: usbmount package? :) |
| 15:56.03 | lvh | cast: cool, that sounds like what I want |
| 15:56.04 | lvh | thanks |
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| 15:57.45 | sintack | lvh: i used halevt before. maybe it's configurable to automount wherever |
| 15:58.02 | xxtjaxx | hi which packages have the alsa development files? |
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| 15:59.00 | sintack | !tell |
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| 16:00.13 | abrotman | !tell xxtjaxx about search |
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| 16:00.50 | lvh | xxtjaxx`: Presumably something starting with alsa and ending in -dev |
| 16:01.03 | henux | i need to do an automated script for cron which tars and compresses some files, and then encrypts the whole archive. i am thinking of using gpg for the encryption, but how can i do the script without having to type in the passphrase in plain text? |
| 16:01.25 | abrotman | henux: pretty sure the gnupg faq tells you |
| 16:01.32 | cast | use keys |
| 16:01.45 | cast | [uh...public keys] |
| 16:03.49 | henux | okay :( |
| 16:03.56 | sintack | !tell sintack about pppoe install |
| 16:04.10 | zeroConf | apt-get install pppoe-conf |
| 16:04.30 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 16:04.30 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 16:04.34 | abrotman | !tell sintack about selftell |
| 16:04.53 | sintack | roger that. |
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| 16:05.13 | DeSian | who can i add another apps start to this line, that diplayed with echo $PATH or who can edit this output from echo $PATH ? |
| 16:05.16 | zeroConf | !tell abrotman i like it like that |
| 16:05.18 | _budo | anyone know how to make iceweasel work for yahoo games ? |
| 16:05.20 | DeSian | i use Lenny |
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| 16:08.03 | wildc4rd_ | afternoon all |
| 16:08.20 | lafrance | good day all |
| 16:08.44 | xoz | notes that afternoon to some is morning to others |
| 16:09.02 | arvind_khadri | xoz, night for me :) |
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| 16:10.10 | ranix | good night, arvind_khadri |
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| 16:10.35 | arvind_khadri | ranix, :) |
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| 16:12.46 | kibombo | oh right, i'm trying to resolve/debug the network issues |
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| 16:13.04 | ajavid | discovered another buggy buggy |
| 16:13.10 | kibombo | oooh fun |
| 16:13.33 | kibombo | that's the biggest issue right now |
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| 16:13.38 | ajavid | when using kwin4.3.1 from sid on stable, it doesn't accelerate KDE3 windows, only newly formed qt4/kde4 apps |
| 16:14.04 | ajavid | I tried kwin --replace, I got all the desktop effects, compiz type from kde4.3.1 on stable |
| 16:14.25 | ajavid | it works well enough on KDE3/QT3 windows and apps, but it lags a bit when drawing them |
| 16:14.35 | ajavid | it is a-ok with the other kde4 apps :) |
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| 16:15.57 | ajavid | http://picpaste.com/kde35431.jpg <- a mixture of KDE3 and KDE4 |
| 16:16.08 | ajavid | kibombo, what network issues are you having? |
| 16:16.17 | kibombo | ajavid: when i boot, i have no internet |
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| 16:16.24 | kibombo | can't ping -c 2 google.com |
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| 16:16.35 | kibombo | i can, but it fails at resolving the host |
| 16:16.52 | ajavid | kibombo, check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:17.00 | kibombo | same as my live distro |
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| 16:17.03 | ajavid | kibombo, make sure it has nameserver x.x.x.x (your actual nameserver) |
| 16:17.16 | kibombo | it does |
| 16:17.27 | kibombo | brb, going to reboot |
| 16:17.32 | ajavid | why reboot? |
| 16:17.34 | ajavid | kibombo, stop |
| 16:17.40 | zeroConf | kimbombo - wait |
| 16:17.49 | kibombo | okay |
| 16:17.50 | zeroConf | dont reboot |
| 16:18.09 | kibombo | well, because i was going to try the new kernel image and then see the output of ifconfig |
| 16:18.19 | zeroConf | there is almost no valid reason to ever reboot your linux box - that was the windows way, your not on windows anymore |
| 16:18.35 | themill | "you're" |
| 16:18.35 | kibombo | ubuntu:/# update-grub /dev/hda |
| 16:18.35 | kibombo | grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /. |
| 16:18.36 | xoz | unless kernel change |
| 16:18.41 | ajavid | kibombo, 208.67.216.132 <- can you ping? |
| 16:18.46 | kibombo | i haven't used windows in 10+ years... |
| 16:19.05 | kibombo | i'll ping google and give you the results |
| 16:19.08 | ajavid | is total networking caput or just name resolution? |
| 16:19.13 | ajavid | this is the ip for google.com |
| 16:19.14 | kibombo | total |
| 16:19.37 | ajavid | ok, pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:19.47 | ajavid | kibombo, make sure you don't have a NAT firewall preventing access |
| 16:19.52 | kibombo | http://dpaste.com/90304/ |
| 16:19.55 | xoz | kibombo: try route -n |
| 16:20.16 | ajavid | ubuntu! |
| 16:20.18 | ajavid | go away! |
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| 16:20.33 | ajavid | doesn't touch this with a 10-foot pole. |
| 16:20.39 | abrotman | he needs the files from the target |
| 16:21.00 | kibombo | http://dpaste.com/90305/ route -n output |
| 16:21.03 | arvind_k | is there a way to resume wget? i was downloading a file , and my connection was reset, can i resume it? |
| 16:21.19 | abrotman | arvind_k: man wget |
| 16:21.26 | kibombo | this is a ubuntu live cd, but i've installed debian.. don't treat me like the grinch just yet please :) |
| 16:21.26 | zeroConf | use curl |
| 16:21.47 | kibombo | well.. you haven't moved to a thirty-nine and half foot pole, so i guess you haven't yet |
| 16:22.22 | ajavid | kibombo, ok ok :) n |
| 16:22.24 | ajavid | np |
| 16:22.39 | ajavid | kibombo, can't blame me, I saw ubuntu and instantly thought you were a ubuntu guy asking help here |
| 16:22.50 | kibombo | nope nope |
| 16:22.57 | ajavid | its alright buddy :) |
| 16:23.05 | kibombo | phew |
| 16:23.36 | kibombo | anyway, you guys and gals seeing anything in the pastes that stands out? |
| 16:23.57 | ajavid | no, it seems your networking is not caput, you can ping google and it resolves it and pings it |
| 16:24.05 | ajavid | what about your networking is broken? |
| 16:24.32 | ajavid | 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1000ms |
| 16:24.42 | ajavid | 64 bytes from gw-in-f100.google.com (74.125.67.100): icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=23.5 ms <- what is not working? |
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| 16:25.21 | kibombo | that is from being chrooted while using the live cd.. so what i will do is reboot (eww) and tunnel output to a file for pasting purposes, reboot (eww*2) and paste the output so you guy/gals can see |
| 16:25.24 | ajavid | kibombo, i see you were earlier trying to install grub |
| 16:25.41 | kibombo | yeah, got it working... well.. now i need to get the new linux-image working |
| 16:25.51 | kibombo | i had installed the openvz image but changed my mind |
| 16:25.57 | kibombo | will just go with selinux policies |
| 16:25.57 | ajavid | are you having a debootstrap install from a live ubuntu cd? |
| 16:26.01 | kibombo | right |
| 16:26.06 | ajavid | oh ok |
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| 16:26.13 | ajavid | see now i know what you're trying to do |
| 16:26.29 | ajavid | so pretty much instaled grub and now you're good to do, I don't understna dwhy you brought up the networking not working issue |
| 16:26.32 | ajavid | it works |
| 16:26.36 | kibombo | however the problem i am faced with now is that the new linux-image install didn't configure grub so i'm doing it manually |
| 16:26.38 | kibombo | update-grub /dev/hda |
| 16:26.38 | kibombo | grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /. |
| 16:26.50 | ajavid | check your device map |
| 16:26.52 | kibombo | ajavid: because it doesn't work when i reboot... |
| 16:26.58 | twisted` | arvind_k: sorry yo |
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| 16:27.01 | twisted` | arvind_k: did a /exec -o wget --help, kinda forgot it will take it's time to send that to you :p |
| 16:27.08 | ajavid | I'm guessing since you are logged in with a live cd, of ubuntu, youre /dev is a bit iffy |
| 16:27.18 | kibombo | could be |
| 16:27.23 | kibombo | okay yeah probably |
| 16:27.28 | ajavid | as well as the rest of the system is ubuntu specific, when you installed grub, you should have checked your decice map |
| 16:27.38 | ajavid | make sure the correct mappings are existing for correct locations |
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| 16:27.57 | arvind_k | twisted`, thats ok :) |
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| 16:29.08 | kibombo | ajavid: mappings of /dev? how to check if they are A-okay? |
| 16:29.16 | ajavid | not /dev |
| 16:29.22 | kibombo | mappings of what? |
| 16:29.30 | ajavid | grub boot device map |
| 16:31.17 | kibombo | oh |
| 16:31.20 | kibombo | okay, i can do that |
| 16:31.25 | ajavid | contents of the device map /boot/grub/device.map. |
| 16:31.31 | kibombo | right |
| 16:31.40 | ajavid | Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'. |
| 16:31.44 | ajavid | grub tells you this :) |
| 16:32.12 | ajavid | (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 16:32.59 | ajavid | !dbugs #544067 |
| 16:33.03 | dpkg | #544067:N[grub-pc] grub-pc: grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /. (); Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:57:03 UTC [] |
| 16:33.16 | ajavid | not sure if this is related... |
| 16:33.24 | ajavid | kibombo, are you installing stable? |
| 16:33.34 | kibombo | ajavid: yes |
| 16:33.42 | ajavid | hm |
| 16:33.52 | abrotman | stable doesn't use grub-pc by default |
| 16:34.01 | ajavid | thats why I asked |
| 16:34.09 | kibombo | the problem right now with grub is that there isn't anything in device.map |
| 16:34.16 | ajavid | yup |
| 16:34.21 | kibombo | and grub-mkdevicemap seems to do nothing.. |
| 16:34.36 | DeSian | whois /etc/environment in lenny i dont have it :) |
| 16:34.53 | kibombo | oh right... here's something to consider |
| 16:35.05 | kibombo | i did debootstrap lenny |
| 16:35.09 | kibombo | not stable.. |
| 16:35.14 | ajavid | lenny is stable |
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| 16:35.20 | kibombo | okay, that's what i was hoping |
| 16:35.26 | ajavid | don't hope, read |
| 16:35.29 | ajavid | debian.org |
| 16:35.39 | kibombo | debian.org == <3 |
| 16:35.57 | kibombo | good documentation, at least i hope ;) |
| 16:36.12 | xeon-enouf | grub-mkimage perhaps |
| 16:36.21 | xeon-enouf | see #grub |
| 16:36.28 | xeon-enouf | for grub2 stuffs |
| 16:36.42 | kibombo | already there asking |
| 16:36.49 | ajavid | but you are not using grub2 |
| 16:36.54 | kibombo | but i am |
| 16:36.57 | zeroConf | ??? |
| 16:36.58 | ajavid | ohhh |
| 16:37.00 | ajavid | the plot thickens |
| 16:37.04 | kibombo | :) |
| 16:37.05 | ajavid | I thought you were using lenny/stable |
| 16:37.17 | ajavid | stable doesn't HAVE grub2 |
| 16:37.18 | kibombo | i was, but i installed grub2 for support in #grub |
| 16:37.21 | kibombo | odd |
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| 16:37.27 | DelphiWorld | hello all |
| 16:37.29 | ajavid | well yeah, wasting my fucking time. |
| 16:37.32 | ajavid | jeezus. |
| 16:37.36 | DelphiWorld | please i need to setup libssl |
| 16:37.39 | kibombo | aww, i don't mean to |
| 16:37.47 | DelphiWorld | apt-get install libssl not working |
| 16:37.48 | kibombo | apt-get install that mofo? |
| 16:37.50 | kibombo | oh |
| 16:37.52 | ajavid | seriously man... I wanna say two words to you, but I'm not going to. |
| 16:38.05 | kibombo | PM me and vent, it will be okay |
| 16:38.09 | xeon-enouf | DelphiWorld: apt-get update ; apt-cache search ... |
| 16:38.37 | kibombo | so how can we determine if this new env is stable or not? |
| 16:38.48 | DelphiWorld | updated, found loibssl but is saying is virtualy available |
| 16:38.54 | ajavid | you want help installing grub 2 in stable and you're seriously hoping to find help here? |
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| 16:39.02 | ajavid | I wonder who will support you ... |
| 16:39.05 | ajavid | and why. |
| 16:39.09 | zeroConf | is viagra a viable altenative thourhg? really ? |
| 16:39.14 | xeon-enouf | libssl0.9.8 - SSL shared libraries |
| 16:39.15 | kibombo | i can remove it if that makes you happy |
| 16:39.18 | kibombo | it's no big deal |
| 16:39.26 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions libssl0.9.8 |
| 16:39.26 | judd | xeon-enouf: libssl0.9.8 -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch4 etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch5 lenny: 0.9.8g-15 lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny1 sid: 0.9.8k-4 squeeze: 0.9.8k-4 |
| 16:39.36 | kibombo | there removed, all is better |
| 16:39.55 | kibombo | aside from the fact that my /boot/grub is littered with grub2 files |
| 16:40.01 | ajavid | you're on your own dude, I'm done. Good day. |
| 16:40.09 | kibombo | good day to you as well sir |
| 16:40.10 | ajavid | no hard feelings :) |
| 16:40.13 | kibombo | none taken |
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| 16:41.19 | kibombo | guess i will re-install from the beginning, though that kind of makes no sense since all that is needed is removing of files associated with programs which no longer exist and a new grub configuration |
| 16:41.24 | ajavid | zeroConf, uhm.. wtf :) |
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| 16:42.15 | ajavid | you know |
| 16:42.32 | ajavid | kibombo, if you can boot a ubuntu live cd, why can't you burn and boot a debian cd? |
| 16:42.32 | zeroConf | ajavid - yea well - its a serious issue yaknow |
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| 16:42.38 | ajavid | you know it will be EASY. |
| 16:42.39 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: over to -chat please ... |
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| 16:44.07 | zeroConf | ajavid - cause he durnt the image wrongly.... |
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| 16:44.14 | giampy18 | Ciao amici di #debian!!! |
| 16:44.17 | giampy18 | hello |
| 16:44.22 | ajavid | giampy18, what lanaguge? |
| 16:44.28 | ajavid | giampy18, italia? |
| 16:44.32 | abrotman | italian |
| 16:44.35 | giampy18 | my language is italian |
| 16:44.36 | ajavid | !it |
| 16:44.37 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:44.50 | giampy18 | thanks |
| 16:44.53 | giampy18 | grz |
| 16:44.56 | ajavid | giampy18, if you can speak english, its good here too |
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| 16:45.06 | kibombo | ajavid: well.. that's another issue, let's not go there? ..if you must know... i don't have a cd-writer, these are old install disks from way back when i did have one... i can and have installed boot images to my usb, but i've tried every option in the bios, but it will not boot... so i'm doing it from what was originally within my original distro, but now it's from within a live cd |
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| 16:45.16 | kibombo | discs* |
| 16:45.28 | ajavid | kibombo, do you have a linux system installed? |
| 16:45.32 | kibombo | i did |
| 16:45.45 | kibombo | and kind of still do but don't want to use it |
| 16:46.00 | kibombo | ajavid: it's broken |
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| 16:46.14 | kibombo | yum |
| 16:46.22 | kibombo | nothing like a good bottle of pee |
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| 16:46.24 | zeroConf | spreads the debian love about |
| 16:46.31 | ajavid | well, why don't you install grub on a seprate partition, boot from it, before you do, copy the debian netboot kernel and initrd and edit your menu.lst and boot them |
| 16:46.50 | pee | hi, has anybody a source for the actual version of shutter with all dependencies? |
| 16:46.55 | ajavid | kibombo, if you have a floppy disk you can probabl use floppy images though I'm not sure i've nevesed used flopy |
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| 16:47.02 | kibombo | i don't have floppy |
| 16:47.03 | pee | kibombo: ^_^ |
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| 16:47.09 | ajavid | hm |
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| 16:47.46 | ajavid | kibombo, install that old ass version of ubuntu you got. then use the netboot install method? |
| 16:48.05 | ajavid | kibombo, i don't follow, are you having problems with debootstrap or what, with grub2? which I won't suppport |
| 16:48.18 | ajavid | kibombo, there are many ways install debian |
| 16:48.47 | kibombo | indeed, so let's just not try them all :) let's stick with what i'm doing please |
| 16:48.48 | ajavid | why are you trying to reinstall when you can simply install grub |
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| 16:48.58 | ajavid | kibombo, those were ideas |
| 16:48.59 | kibombo | i don't have to reinstall |
| 16:49.17 | ajavid | then wtf are you talking about reisntalling for |
| 16:49.17 | kibombo | i need to get grub going |
| 16:49.17 | ajavid | so install grub! |
| 16:49.19 | ajavid | NOT grub2 |
| 16:49.22 | kibombo | it is installed |
| 16:49.25 | ajavid | you're on stable, use stable software |
| 16:49.36 | kibombo | why am i able to get unstable software... |
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| 16:49.44 | ajavid | kibombo, we don't support it here |
| 16:49.47 | kibombo | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 16:49.47 | kibombo | #deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 16:49.57 | kibombo | that's from cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:50.10 | ajavid | kibombo, you said you installed grub2 |
| 16:50.17 | themill | judd versions grub-pc |
| 16:50.18 | judd | themill: grub-pc -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 squeeze: 1.96+20090808-1 sid: 1.97~beta2-2 |
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| 16:50.28 | kibombo | i did, but i also said i removed it so you wouldn't get pissy |
| 16:50.33 | pee | has anyone the pakagesource for the actual gnome? |
| 16:50.34 | kibombo | and i stated that |
| 16:50.41 | lafrance | ajavid, any chance you could pastebin your sources.list for me to see what wrong with mine |
| 16:50.42 | xeon-enouf | and, you never mentioned debootstrap earlier .. otherwise, i would've likely tried to help more |
| 16:50.53 | kibombo | the reason i mentioned reinstalling is because you said you were out and leaving and gl and all that stuff... so i figured i'm on my own |
| 16:51.00 | xeon-enouf | but this has gotten way out of hand already |
| 16:51.03 | ajavid | lafrance, just pastebin yours |
| 16:51.09 | lafrance | ok |
| 16:51.10 | ajavid | !tell lafrance -about sources.list |
| 16:51.34 | ajavid | kibombo, in the context man |
| 16:51.37 | kibombo | yeah yeah, don't worry about it guys... cool off... i'll do the same, i'll come back later |
| 16:51.40 | ajavid | int he context... of grub2 |
| 16:51.44 | ajavid | you're on your on with grub2 |
| 16:51.47 | linduxed | if ive got bash-completion installed, and i make an alias for aptitude, lets say "alias banana='sudo aptitude'", how do i make the completion that works for aptitude to work for banana? |
| 16:52.08 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 16:52.40 | xeon-enouf | add $0 or $1 or something to your alias |
| 16:52.44 | kibombo | i'm not saying you're mad or that i'm mad, but it's good to step away from problems for a short while, and that's what i'm doing right now, i have a busy day ahead of me of other neat geeky things |
| 16:52.50 | kibombo | but i will be back later |
| 16:52.55 | ajavid | good stuff |
| 16:52.59 | ajavid | dont' smoke cigs though |
| 16:53.00 | xeon-enouf | or write a function() instead |
| 16:53.11 | xeon-enouf | goes afk ... bbl |
| 16:53.14 | kibombo | and i'll make it easier for those of you who are still around with a precise listing of the problem |
| 16:53.14 | ajavid | cigs don't relax, they are horrible |
| 16:53.21 | ajavid | kibombo, that would help us a lo |
| 16:53.29 | ajavid | kibombo, see you later buddy |
| 16:53.32 | kibombo | buh-bye |
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| 16:54.09 | gramps | ajavid, http://www.pastebin.ca/1556250 |
| 16:54.34 | lafrance | still have error with my list |
| 16:54.45 | ajavid | deb http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all <- BAD idea |
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| 16:54.58 | ajavid | one guy last week had a horrible time with those |
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| 16:55.09 | ajavid | it dirtified and nastified his system in many ways |
| 16:55.25 | ajavid | deb ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/deb/ ./ <- this I don't know |
| 16:55.34 | lafrance | ah ok |
| 16:55.36 | ajavid | lafrance, the rest of them look ok |
| 16:55.48 | ajavid | lafrance, I do not condone the use of dotdeb or 3rd party packages |
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| 16:55.58 | DelphiWorld | re |
| 16:56.03 | ajavid | lafrance, musix maybe ok enough, but definitely not php53 from dotdeb |
| 16:56.08 | DelphiWorld | and please tel me about the openssl dev package? |
| 16:56.11 | ajavid | that is a bad idea if ever I heard one |
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| 16:57.40 | lafrance | ajavid, once edited any special command ? do i need to restart apache2 to take effect |
| 16:57.59 | ajavid | lafrance, what does apache have to do with sources.list? |
| 16:58.10 | lafrance | darn if I know |
| 16:58.12 | ajavid | lafrance, in the context of php53? |
| 16:58.21 | lafrance | that I remove |
| 16:58.21 | ajavid | lafrance, aptitude purge everything you got from dotdeb |
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| 16:58.36 | lafrance | aptitude purge ? |
| 16:58.44 | ajavid | install the php that coems with debian, you don't need namespace support right now anyway |
| 16:59.02 | DelphiWorld | libssl-dev? |
| 16:59.19 | ajavid | if you do, build php53 yourself or backport php-cli/php-common and lib apache mod php5 |
| 16:59.30 | ajavid | and any other extentions you may want |
| 16:59.34 | ajavid | do not use dotdeb, please |
| 16:59.45 | fxiny | pnurge it :P |
| 16:59.47 | xoz | notes that debian-devel mailing list is quiet active unlike before. go go debian :) |
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| 17:00.19 | ajavid | a lot of php software in stable is not compatible with php53 I think, due to some changes |
| 17:00.35 | ajavid | I know a lot of the packages CMS are not working |
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| 17:01.18 | ajavid | fxiny, hehehe :) |
| 17:01.19 | lafrance | ok will delt those one |
| 17:01.42 | lafrance | mind you now get 404 to fetch http://docs.joomla.org/Upgrading_1.5_from_an_existing_1.5x_version update |
| 17:01.53 | DelphiWorld | openssl-dev please please |
| 17:02.00 | ajavid | and also, is joomla .14 commpatible with php 5.3? |
| 17:02.06 | lafrance | mind you now get 404 to fetch (security) update |
| 17:02.08 | ajavid | I know previous versions dont' work right |
| 17:02.10 | lafrance | sorry macro |
| 17:02.11 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: are you going to ask an actual question ? |
| 17:02.20 | ajavid | lafrance, your sources.list seemed fine, aptitude update? |
| 17:02.27 | ajavid | pastebin output |
| 17:02.42 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: ;) |
| 17:02.49 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i'm very stressed my PBX is brokanb |
| 17:02.52 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i'm very stressed my PBX is brokan |
| 17:02.58 | lafrance | aptitu update command not found |
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| 17:03.05 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: are you going to ask an actual question ? |
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| 17:03.12 | ajavid | you have to type the whole word :) |
| 17:03.16 | ajavid | aptitude update |
| 17:03.19 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: no |
| 17:03.20 | ajavid | and do it as root |
| 17:03.29 | fxiny | ajavid: heard of uzbl ? |
| 17:03.32 | ajavid | no sir |
| 17:03.48 | fxiny | sir who ? |
| 17:03.50 | gramps | ajavid,http://www.pastebin.ca/1556256 |
| 17:03.52 | ajavid | you |
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| 17:04.37 | ajavid | try again |
| 17:04.55 | ajavid | gramps, also, don't use ftp.debian.org use a better mirror |
| 17:05.01 | ajavid | !tell gramps -about mirrors |
| 17:05.03 | abrotman | sources seem malformed |
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| 17:05.22 | ajavid | I had not noticed the syntax I was looking at the urls, |
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| 17:05.30 | abrotman | so was i |
| 17:05.32 | ajavid | gramps, lafrance, patebin your sources.list again |
| 17:05.39 | lafrance | ok |
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| 17:06.22 | gramps | http://www.pastebin.ca/1556259 |
| 17:06.46 | ajavid | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/lenny main contrib non-free <- add a space between debian/ lenny |
| 17:06.54 | ajavid | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 17:07.00 | abrotman | more than that |
| 17:07.02 | ajavid | and seriously, change your mirror |
| 17:07.06 | abrotman | !ftp.debian.org |
| 17:07.06 | dpkg | ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you. Use a local mirror instead. Ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information. |
| 17:07.12 | ajavid | abrotman, yes :) |
| 17:07.25 | abrotman | the security one is broken too |
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| 17:07.40 | ajavid | i thought he'd figure that one out and fix the rest of them |
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| 17:08.09 | xoz | security should have a mirror also. it is slow in some aread |
| 17:08.17 | ajavid | its a pool |
| 17:08.23 | ajavid | it does to diff servers I think |
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| 17:08.36 | cire | how do you find all files newer than 10 days? I tried "find -newermt 10d" but nothing was found. |
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| 17:09.28 | ajavid | uhmm |
| 17:10.01 | ajavid | cd /toplevel; find . -mtime +10 -exec do_something_to_your_10_days_old_files {} \; |
| 17:10.13 | ajavid | I dunno. |
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| 17:11.03 | Esine | yeah, find /dir -mtime -10 -print will find files newer than 10 days |
| 17:11.04 | ajavid | File's data was last modified n*24 hours ago. |
| 17:11.16 | ajavid | mtime = n*24, 10*24 = 10 days |
| 17:11.20 | Esine | -mtime +10 would be at least 10 days |
| 17:11.26 | Esine | or is it at least 11 days |
| 17:11.42 | ajavid | it doesn't start from day 0 does |
| 17:11.43 | ajavid | it |
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| 17:12.25 | cire | ajavid: it works, I just needed "at least". Thank you |
| 17:12.28 | ajavid | ioh |
| 17:12.31 | ajavid | sorry i misread you |
| 17:12.41 | ajavid | I thought you asked for files older than 10 days... I'm a moron. |
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| 17:12.44 | Esine | "When find figures out how many 24-hour periods ago the file was last accessed, any fractional part is ignored, so to match -atime +1, a file has to have been accessed at least two days ago" |
| 17:12.56 | Esine | so with + notation it's n+1 days |
| 17:13.06 | ajavid | ahh |
| 17:13.19 | ajavid | Esine, thanks man, that makes sense |
| 17:13.29 | linduxed | if ive got bash-completion installed, and i make an alias for aptitude, lets say "alias banana='sudo aptitude'", how do i make the completion that works for aptitude to work for banana? |
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| 17:14.19 | ajavid | lol |
| 17:14.32 | ajavid | linduxed, it will automatically slip on the banana |
| 17:14.38 | ajavid | :) |
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| 17:14.48 | linduxed | ajavid: yeah ive noticed |
| 17:14.51 | ajavid | linduxed, bash-completion is not required to comlete bash aliases |
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| 17:15.15 | ajavid | lol, banana... oh man. that was great |
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| 17:19.17 | ajavid | ok |
| 17:19.24 | ajavid | I have a security question (I'm a newb sorry) |
| 17:19.52 | Esine | go ahead... |
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| 17:20.13 | ajavid | I just hired a developer remotely for my company, and he asked if he could have ssh access to my server of lenny. I want to give him access, but I want him to only have access to the bits he needs access to |
| 17:20.32 | ajavid | Esine, do you think I should create a chroot, jail him there, and run ssh on a non-standard port for him |
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| 17:20.38 | ajavid | and create his user account there |
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| 17:20.57 | Esine | if your system is properly configured then no, no need to do that |
| 17:20.59 | ajavid | or how should I go about it, I mean paperwork is signed, all the legal stuff is good, so I trust him |
| 17:21.12 | ajavid | but I have a lot of secure data from lots of clients |
| 17:21.18 | Esine | ah |
| 17:21.26 | sash_ | do not let him access them. |
| 17:21.40 | Esine | well, you just need to make sure he doesn't have permissions to access those |
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| 17:21.58 | ajavid | its a stable box, so I don't have to worrya bout security issues |
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| 17:22.02 | Esine | also make sure you're running a recent kernel.. there was a local root exploit just some time ago |
| 17:22.07 | ajavid | so just a persmission thing |
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| 17:22.13 | ajavid | I'm on .30-bpo-1 |
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| 17:22.25 | ajavid | hmm |
| 17:22.28 | ajavid | let me go through this first |
| 17:22.30 | Esine | stable box with backports like that :O but yeah, that should be safe |
| 17:22.30 | ajavid | !harden |
| 17:22.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, harden is D:SbD or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ or ask me about <security> <security backports> <tracker of doom> |
| 17:22.47 | ajavid | Esine, which is why I figured I should probably create.... oh oh oh oh |
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| 17:22.58 | Esine | what? |
| 17:22.59 | sash_ | ajavid: for example, no one but root can access a directory, that is owned by root:root and 700 |
| 17:23.18 | ajavid | Esine, I have just rememberd I have a 1gb 1.8ghz p4 laptop in my closet which is still running somewhere under my clothes piles |
| 17:23.22 | Esine | of course ajavid if it's possible you might want to set up another server for him |
| 17:23.27 | ajavid | its lenny box, no screen, I ssh into it |
| 17:23.36 | Esine | if you can do that easily like with virtualization or something |
| 17:23.45 | ajavid | I could put the lamp server and svn on there and create a user for him there and vive him access to the dev server |
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| 17:23.55 | ajavid | he can do whtever he want in that server i don't care |
| 17:24.06 | Esine | right... |
| 17:24.12 | ajavid | as long as he doesn't go outside that machine, which is why I need to lock his access too |
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| 17:24.20 | ajavid | so that he can't access ay other machines on my internal neetwork |
| 17:24.25 | ajavid | only the designated machine for him |
| 17:24.26 | ajavid | how? |
| 17:24.49 | ajavid | dhodgkin, don't poke around in my network ;) |
| 17:24.58 | ajavid | dhodgkin, I'm trying to get you all setup today :) |
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| 17:25.28 | ajavid | just kiddin man :) |
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| 17:25.31 | buntfalke | hi |
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| 17:25.57 | buntfalke | Just to make sure: aptitude reinstall <all installed packages> should not break anything, right? |
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| 17:26.13 | sash_ | ajavid: does he know the accessdata of the other machines? |
| 17:26.16 | buntfalke | I am missing some files at random...aham...yeah. |
| 17:26.18 | fxiny | dhodgkin: no mercy , be ruthless :P |
| 17:26.25 | fxiny | ajavid: :P |
| 17:26.30 | ajavid | sash_, no, he has no access he doesn't even have my ip yet |
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| 17:26.42 | ajavid | fxiny, you evil evil little man |
| 17:26.45 | ajavid | :) |
| 17:26.53 | dhodgkin | lol |
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| 17:27.37 | sash_ | well, add a user for him. usually he should not be able to change anything on this server. if you have any really secure data, move them into a directory, he definetly cannot access. not even readable. |
| 17:27.40 | ajavid | dhodgkin, subservion is setup, I'm working on permissions and access right now |
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| 17:28.02 | dhodgkin | ajavid: I promise I won't bounce off your system to do evil things |
| 17:28.06 | ajavid | actually, I could just let him have access via ssh on a specific port to my laptop machine that runs stuff |
| 17:28.07 | dhodgkin | ajavid: :P |
| 17:28.12 | ajavid | and then limit his access to that machine |
| 17:28.20 | ajavid | let him fuck in that machine how he wants |
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| 17:28.46 | ajavid | ok, so current query, I need to know how to limit access like this, host based, just host.deny? |
| 17:28.54 | ajavid | hosts.allow/hosts.deny work for this? |
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| 17:29.32 | dhodgkin | how is it possible to fuck in a machine? especially a laptop, I don't think my wife and I could fit in there |
| 17:29.33 | ajavid | not sure how I wouuld configure them. like on which machine I would specify what. say his machine I say hosts.deny and everything on my inernet network except the gateway/broadcast |
| 17:30.11 | ajavid | man I have no idea I'm thinking too much |
| 17:30.32 | fxiny | relax |
| 17:30.35 | dhodgkin | ajavid: just block my IP on the systems you don't want me to have access to |
| 17:30.45 | ajavid | well at least for now I'm gonna get subversion setup so you can at least see the code |
| 17:30.54 | ajavid | dhodgkin, I'm a linux noob, I have no idea how to do that |
| 17:31.19 | dhodgkin | ajavid: I forgot you're use to OS/2 :P |
| 17:31.23 | ajavid | route add -host x.x.x.x reject ? |
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| 17:31.36 | ajavid | on which machiens what?I know the commands but not how to goodly secure stuff |
| 17:31.38 | ajavid | :/ |
| 17:31.45 | dhodgkin | ajavid: google is your friend man |
| 17:31.54 | ajavid | sometimes google doesn't know jack shit. |
| 17:32.19 | ajavid | I google for linux block hosts and I get Ping a Block of Hosts (netblock) |
| 17:32.21 | ajavid | lol |
| 17:33.27 | dhodgkin | use bing.com it's the decision engine ;) |
| 17:33.29 | ajavid | yeah, I suppose hosts.allow/deny would work for this, plus permissions properly setup and a hardened lamp |
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| 17:33.40 | ajavid | alright, give me a few hours. |
| 17:33.45 | ajavid | food. |
| 17:33.57 | dhodgkin | you're just as paranoid as I am LOL |
| 17:34.15 | ajavid | yeah, liability issues man. |
| 17:34.19 | ajavid | etc. etc |
| 17:34.24 | dhodgkin | I know man |
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| 17:35.02 | dhodgkin | alot of times I browse the net through Tor. |
| 17:35.35 | henux | is it possible to run a certain cron script in /etc/cron.weekly with user foo, while run othrs as root? |
| 17:35.37 | ajavid | isn't that slow? |
| 17:35.49 | abrotman | henux: have the script use su -c ? |
| 17:36.13 | henux | abrotman: the whole script |
| 17:36.34 | abrotman | uhm .. put your script somewhere else, and have the cron script call it with su -c ? |
| 17:36.42 | nsadmin | henux: call the script with another, using something like su -c |
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| 17:37.10 | henux | k |
| 17:37.35 | ajavid | dhodgkin, did you see this http://picpaste.com/kde35431.jpg |
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| 17:38.08 | nsadmin | (the script in question shoudl not be in /etc/cron.weekly, but the script that calls it would) |
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| 17:39.39 | henux | yeah |
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| 17:40.38 | GoGi | I have installed bind9 and it runs but does not respond to queries |
| 17:40.42 | GoGi | I can't even stop it with the init-script because that wants to connect to bind |
| 17:40.45 | GoGi | netstat even shows that it is listening on 127.0.0.1 port 53 tcp and udp |
| 17:40.48 | ajavid | kde 4.3.1 is pretty nice actually, its getting pretty complete |
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| 17:41.01 | ajavid | like how kde 3.3 was when it was under development |
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| 17:41.24 | nsadmin | GoGi: dig @localhost yahoo.com |
| 17:41.43 | ajavid | nice nice, I wish it would accelerate graphics on the KDE3/qt3 apps but the new kwin doesn't. It draws them just fine, but just resizing and moving is slow, even if I disalbe shadown |
| 17:42.12 | ajavid | and one more thing, when you run more than 1 Xserver on your machine, I've noticed that only the first Xserver gets 3d acceleration, and the rest of them don't |
| 17:42.20 | ajavid | is this correct? or am I on crazy pills? |
| 17:42.45 | ajavid | I was on :0, did glxinfo|grep render (came up with correct renderer string) |
| 17:43.03 | ajavid | I was on:1 and I did it, and it came back with software rasterizer, same with :2 and :3 |
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| 17:43.18 | ajavid | is there anyway to enable 3d accel on ALL Xservers on a machine? |
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| 17:43.56 | nsadmin | don't they run the same config file? |
| 17:44.02 | GoGi | nsadmin: timeout |
| 17:44.04 | ajavid | they should |
| 17:44.24 | nsadmin | ajavid: seems weird... |
| 17:44.49 | nsadmin | GoGi: had your bind9 ever worked? |
| 17:44.54 | ajavid | I chrooted into my sid, and exported display to :1 and startkde, KDE4 comes up fine on :1, but since there is no 3D accel, its slow as balls |
| 17:45.13 | ajavid | now, if I export display as :0, where kde3.5 on stable is running, I get no problems |
| 17:45.19 | ajavid | full 3d accel, kde4 apps have no problem |
| 17:45.31 | ajavid | kwin4.3.1 still lags on kde3/qt3 apps though |
| 17:45.45 | ajavid | but at least the 3d accel and desktop effects work right |
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| 17:46.13 | nsadmin | and only on :0? |
| 17:46.19 | ajavid | yessir |
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| 17:46.55 | ajavid | if I launch it in Xephyr, its fine, cuz thats in the :0 |
| 17:47.07 | nsadmin | I wonder if the Xlogs for each would reveal why |
| 17:47.10 | ajavid | I'm having to make do with Xypher |
| 17:47.13 | ajavid | Xephyr |
| 17:47.21 | GoGi | nsadmin: no |
| 17:47.23 | ajavid | for the 3d accel for the time being |
| 17:47.33 | GoGi | nsadmin: I have just installed it |
| 17:47.39 | ajavid | nsadmin, thats a fanstastic idea... I'm such a tool sometimes |
| 17:47.51 | ajavid | nsadmin, I'm gonna dig throught he logs, sorry to have asked before I thought of looking there |
| 17:47.54 | GoGi | default configuration files, I also tried *without* any configuration files. same result |
| 17:47.54 | ajavid | my bad |
| 17:48.14 | nsadmin | ajavid: there is the tool academy :) |
| 17:48.22 | ajavid | :) |
| 17:48.49 | nsadmin | ajavid: dude, we all do that sometimes; don't beat yourself up |
| 17:49.31 | nsadmin | you don't need to apologize for asking for help |
| 17:49.36 | ajavid | no no |
| 17:49.54 | ajavid | thats not what I was doing, before you get the wrong idea that I was one of those people trying to play the sympathy card |
| 17:49.57 | ajavid | or some such |
| 17:50.07 | ajavid | honest mistake, anyway, np |
| 17:50.09 | ajavid | its all good |
| 17:50.17 | nsadmin | yeah, it's all good |
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| 17:51.51 | nsadmin | GoGi: so you're saying you're able to kill it somehow and edit then restart? |
| 17:52.06 | GoGi | yes I killed it |
| 17:52.21 | GoGi | then the sockets are not opened anymore in netstat (obviously) |
| 17:52.31 | nsadmin | right |
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| 17:52.45 | nsadmin | hmm, I wonder if strace would help |
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| 17:53.13 | GoGi | I will try strace |
| 17:53.25 | nsadmin | also, does free suggest you have plenty of ram? |
| 17:53.38 | ajavid | is it possible to use two different kernels to running on one singla machine at the simultaneous time |
| 17:53.48 | ajavid | to be running* |
| 17:53.50 | nsadmin | with xen, yes |
| 17:53.55 | GoGi | 300MB free |
| 17:53.58 | nsadmin | (at least) |
| 17:53.59 | ajavid | I See |
| 17:54.14 | ajavid | I'm on .30 bpo kernel, and the Xen stuff in stable is for .26 |
| 17:54.19 | nsadmin | GoGi: sounds plenty |
| 17:54.20 | ajavid | this is going to be a headache or what :) |
| 17:54.34 | ajavid | dependency hell? |
| 17:54.37 | nsadmin | well look at waldi's stuff |
| 17:54.38 | GoGi | "strace -f named -f" |
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| 17:54.45 | ajavid | nsadmin, me |
| 17:54.47 | ajavid | ? |
| 17:55.11 | GoGi | stops with "[pid 25363] futex(0xb7509048, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 3, NULL" |
| 17:55.39 | nsadmin | ajavid: yeah, waldi is the guy or one of them that works on xen kernels and packages them |
| 17:55.43 | GoGi | dig @127.0.0.1 nothing happens |
| 17:55.49 | ajavid | I see |
| 17:55.57 | ajavid | ok will look into it |
| 17:56.06 | nsadmin | I think I have a link somewhere |
| 17:56.10 | ajavid | I wanted to try my hand at gentoo and a few other differnt distros |
| 17:56.22 | ajavid | but without rebooting or vmware/vbox |
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| 17:56.39 | nsadmin | wait, I know where it is, it's in my /etc/apt/sources.list.m4 :) |
| 17:56.49 | ajavid | nsadmin, what about 3d accel under Xen? |
| 17:57.12 | nsadmin | usually only the dom0 has access to hardware |
| 17:57.25 | ajavid | so domU |
| 17:57.26 | nsadmin | but I think you can set up otherwise |
| 17:57.34 | ajavid | hm, I have a e6300 |
| 17:57.49 | ajavid | it does vt but im not sure if it does hw/pci accel |
| 17:57.51 | ajavid | or whatever |
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| 17:58.20 | nsadmin | GoGi: so by the time you run the dig, bind is froze already? |
| 17:58.50 | nsadmin | and you already said it's not port contention |
| 17:58.57 | GoGi | well I don't know whether the strace output means that it is frozen |
| 17:59.38 | nsadmin | GoGi: so you tried the dig while it was stracing? |
| 18:00.06 | nsadmin | ajavid: one sec... |
| 18:00.16 | GoGi | nsadmin: yes |
| 18:00.36 | GoGi | and nothing happend in the strace (which must be obviously wrong) |
| 18:00.58 | lafrance | ok did apt-get update all fine no error |
| 18:01.27 | lafrance | apt-get upgrade 17 upgrade |
| 18:01.38 | gramps | E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 18:01.38 | gramps | E: Unable to lock the download directory |
| 18:01.50 | nsadmin | ajavid the lines in my .m4 that are relevent... |
| 18:01.52 | nsadmin | define(`WALDI_XEN_KERNEL_URL', `http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-ke |
| 18:01.59 | nsadmin | rnel/waldi/xen-extra')dnl |
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| 18:02.06 | nsadmin | dang it split it |
| 18:02.36 | nsadmin | http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/waldi/xen-extra |
| 18:03.23 | nsadmin | and the deb and deb-source lines are... |
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| 18:03.46 | nsadmin | deb WALDI_XEN_KERNEL_URL all main |
| 18:03.56 | nsadmin | deb-src WALDI_XEN_KERNEL_URL all main |
| 18:04.32 | nsadmin | replace the allcaps thing with the above url, or just browse the url yourself if you're interested |
| 18:05.15 | salito | what is the difference between 2.6.26 and 2.6.26-2 kernels??? |
| 18:05.26 | nsadmin | -2 |
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| 18:05.38 | abrotman | salito: the -2- denotes the kernel abi version |
| 18:06.38 | karme | which full text searching/indexing engine do you recommend? i am especially interested in good emacs/gnus integration and specific control over what gets indexed (down to single files). popcon suggests in order: beagle, swish++, tracker, swish-e, namazu |
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| 18:07.40 | salito | I am new to debian, what is abi version? |
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| 18:07.56 | salito | which do I suppose to use? |
| 18:07.57 | kejen | topis |
| 18:08.03 | kejen | topic |
| 18:08.07 | kejen | oops |
| 18:08.10 | nsadmin | abi is Application Binary Interface |
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| 18:08.38 | abrotman | !abi |
| 18:08.38 | dpkg | well, abi is application binary interface. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
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| 18:11.52 | simonrvn | karme: i'd go for tracker |
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| 18:15.40 | lafrance | anyone know how to fixes this |
| 18:15.42 | lafrance | E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
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| 18:17.14 | abrotman | are you root? |
| 18:17.21 | abrotman | is someone else installing sometihng? |
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| 18:17.42 | lafrance | yes root only one on it |
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| 18:19.15 | nsadmin | maybe lsof on the lock file? |
| 18:19.25 | nsadmin | or fuser |
| 18:19.46 | nsadmin | are you running a package manager already? |
| 18:20.04 | lafrance | have no clue |
| 18:20.13 | buntfalke | So the fontconfig package asks me wether i want native or autohinter. native for vera fonts, autohinter for truetype. well. duh. vera fonts _are_ truetype! |
| 18:20.43 | buntfalke | now what to select? i mostly use vera-derived dejavu fonts and liberation. both being ttf. |
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| 18:22.54 | Bohemian | does anybody know of a tutorial to set up a printer dell 1710 on debian? |
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| 18:25.03 | simonrvn | buntfalke: i don't remember which one i picked, but i came to the same conclusion. i figured i'd be also using others fonts, so went for the autohinter. |
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| 18:25.38 | buntfalke | hmm. makes sense. still wierd. |
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| 18:25.42 | simonrvn | the phrasing of that question is silly, imo. |
| 18:25.47 | simonrvn | 'weird' |
| 18:26.25 | buntfalke | Well, they should just explain what the _ those three options are actually doing differently, so one can decide properly |
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| 18:26.42 | simonrvn | agreed |
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| 18:27.20 | lafrance | got to love gooogle rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
| 18:27.55 | simonrvn | um, that's not a complete solution |
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| 18:28.03 | justin | lafrance: eh? rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
| 18:28.22 | justin | do people just randomly add -rf to rm commands these days? |
| 18:28.40 | simonrvn | you should also check if there's a dpkg, aptitude, apt-get, dselect process running *first* |
| 18:29.11 | lafrance | aptitude return command not found just install it now work |
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| 18:30.22 | largos | I'm having trouble installing debian with the squeeze debian installer -- my usb keyboard/mouse work in the bios and grub, but they do not work once the installer has started. |
| 18:30.22 | abrotman | justin: yes .. and they add sudo too |
| 18:30.25 | themill | that lock file should always exist. The file is locked when in use; it's not a lock file as such |
| 18:30.53 | largos | does anyone know of a workaround? (I don't have a ps2/ata keyboard) |
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| 18:31.50 | lafrance | lock file back in that directory just got 0 byte |
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| 18:32.27 | sekretore | hi |
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| 18:32.49 | sekretore | networkmanager doesn't allow to manage connections |
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| 18:33.32 | sekretore | I tried to comment lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:33.44 | sekretore | but no luck, can anybody help? |
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| 18:38.17 | arvind_khadri | twisted`, you there? |
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| 18:39.45 | wekt | No java plugin is working for me. The Sun plugin at least tells me: "ConnectException: Network is unreachable" Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 18:40.37 | abrotman | wekt: did you install the sun-java6-plugin ? |
| 18:40.54 | wekt | abrotman: yes |
| 18:41.00 | twisted` | arvind_khadri: yup |
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| 18:41.15 | wekt | and on other installs, icedtea-plugin, icedtea-gcj-plugin |
| 18:41.23 | abrotman | update-java-alternatives ? |
| 18:41.48 | wekt | abrotman: no, i did not. I will try the update-java-... |
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| 18:46.57 | wekt | update-java-alternatives had no effect. It is also not the firewall. |
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| 18:47.47 | abrotman | about:plugins .. which java plugin is it using ? |
| 18:48.52 | wekt | Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_16 |
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| 18:50.31 | abrotman | seems working |
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| 18:52.22 | wekt | abrotman: have you tried a java plugin? |
| 18:52.28 | fxiny | wekt: mozilla-javaplugin ? |
| 18:52.39 | wekt | fxiny: i haven't tried that one yet. i will. |
| 18:52.40 | abrotman | i'm sure i've tried one .. |
| 18:52.47 | fxiny | wekt: i'm asking |
| 18:52.48 | abrotman | wekt: can you share the URL with us ? |
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| 18:54.17 | wekt | javatester.org |
| 18:54.56 | wekt | fxiny: perhaps i did not understand you? I have not yet tried mozilla-javaplugin |
| 18:55.12 | wekt | Then there is this: http://java.sun.com/javase/technologies/desktop/javawebstart/demos.html |
| 18:55.19 | abrotman | yeah .. works fine here |
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| 18:56.09 | fxiny | wekt: are you using a debian packaged java ? |
| 18:56.23 | wekt | fxiny: i do not see one by that name. Yes, have only tried the .deb packages. |
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| 18:56.54 | fxiny | that one works , |
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| 18:57.16 | wekt | fxiny: "that one" = ? |
| 18:57.21 | IIooII | hello |
| 18:57.24 | fxiny | the debianized |
| 18:57.52 | IIooII | Hello I am Spanish and querria to speak with people of here |
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| 18:58.17 | asg | !es |
| 18:58.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:58.47 | IIooII | sorry I want to say that I want to speak with people of here |
| 18:58.59 | rudi_s | Hi. I just updated to the latest lenny release and got these warnings when running aptitude: Can't exec "/tmp/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64.config.198771": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.10/IPC/Open3.pm line 168. (some more with the same problem). I have noexec for /tmp to make it harder for exploits. Do I have to worry about this? |
| 18:59.18 | asg | IIooII: if you have a debian question, please ask. If you want to talk to English speakers, try #english or ##english. |
| 18:59.23 | wekt | Thanks for the attention, abrotman, fxiny. |
| 18:59.27 | fxiny | wekt: i used sun java in etch , running all update-alternatives install and config . tought you had this problem |
| 18:59.43 | abrotman | wekt: is it working ? |
| 18:59.57 | IIooII | sorry |
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| 19:03.22 | themill | IIooII: you need something like http://paste.debian.net/45871/ in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec |
| 19:03.52 | IIooII | xÐ |
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| 19:04.26 | dvs | Are the 5.0.3 cd images coming soon? |
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| 19:04.43 | wekt | abrotman: no it is not. Neither is java Web Start. |
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| 19:05.57 | wekt | I looked on wireshark & don't see it creating any network traffic either. It just seems to not know how to network. |
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| 19:15.25 | asg | dvs: sometime this weekend |
| 19:15.37 | dvs | ok, I'll wait |
| 19:15.43 | dvs | hums |
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| 19:24.47 | phlux | aptitude remove =! aptitude purge? |
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| 19:25.21 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 19:25.31 | phlux | what's the difference? |
| 19:25.38 | CalJohn | phlux: no, purge gets rid of lots of other things, like configuration files and such |
| 19:25.59 | phlux | dang... |
| 19:26.00 | CalJohn | i thinkt the recieved wisdom is not to use purge unless you have some kind of problem |
| 19:26.24 | phlux | so since I ran aptitude remove <program> I can't get rid of all the crap it left behind without manually doing it now? |
| 19:26.26 | phlux | or can I still purge it |
| 19:26.40 | CalJohn | "crap"? |
| 19:26.49 | phlux | configs, etc |
| 19:26.52 | phlux | I'm removing kde, fwiw |
| 19:26.57 | CalJohn | actually, you can still purge, AFAIK |
| 19:27.02 | abrotman | phlux: aptitude has a man page you can read |
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| 19:27.04 | pipeline_ | I routinely purge, because by the time I reinstall a package, I don't remember how I configured it |
| 19:27.12 | themill | phlux: /msg dpkg purge ; man aptitude |
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| 19:27.21 | phlux | aye thanks |
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| 19:37.27 | shadow` | I'm having probems with apache now, and/because of aptitude. Aptitude has a few broken packages i cant seem to fixed. I tried a couple of solutions it gave me, an now ende up with a broken apache2 |
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| 19:39.24 | shadow` | i cannot do anything with aptitude anymore, it keeps falling back on to an error, which cant be fixed by given solution, cant cancel it, will stop entire aptitude.. |
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| 19:40.35 | abrotman | shadow`: put the error in a pastebin .. show us what the issue is |
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| 19:42.41 | themill | shadow`: the output following output would probably be helpful too: apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy $(aptitude search ~napache2~i -F"%p") |
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| 19:43.38 | shadow` | http://pastebin.ca/1556395 |
| 19:43.59 | pistache | Hey I have a problem. My fsck dies with exit status 8, saying "Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda2". |
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| 19:44.17 | pistache | I guess this is because of my lvm2 group, using /dev/sda2 |
| 19:44.29 | pistache | What can I du ? |
| 19:44.36 | pistache | Hello Agiofws, greek :) |
| 19:44.37 | shadow` | apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy $(aptitude search ~napache2~i -F"%p") output: http://pastebin.ca/1556397 |
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| 19:44.56 | Agiofws | hi pistache |
| 19:45.09 | shadow` | done a few things after eachother, it all just got worse *kicks aptitude* |
| 19:45.40 | abrotman | shadow`: which version of debian does /etc/apt/sources.list point at ? |
| 19:45.56 | themill | shadow`: you have a funky mixture of etch, lenny and sid here. This is going to be messy. |
| 19:46.16 | shadow` | http://pastebin.ca/1556399 |
| 19:46.18 | themill | oh, and some squeeze too |
| 19:46.32 | shadow` | ye, its not the cleanest install of debian, meh |
| 19:46.37 | abrotman | runs away |
| 19:46.55 | themill | shadow`: what version of debian do you want to be running? |
| 19:46.58 | abrotman | shadow`: apache1 is gone in stable/unstable |
| 19:47.03 | shadow` | arch is most recent, no? ;/ |
| 19:47.10 | themill | pick one and only one of etch, lenny, squeeze or sid |
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| 19:47.41 | shadow` | of those, etch or squeeze is more recent? |
| 19:48.03 | pistache | squeeze |
| 19:48.14 | shadow` | then that one |
| 19:49.12 | themill | shadow`: lenny is the current stable so that's probably what you really want |
| 19:49.31 | shadow` | wasnt lenny the unstable before si? |
| 19:49.32 | pistache | squeeze is testing |
| 19:49.33 | shadow` | sid* |
| 19:49.38 | pistache | shadow`: it changed |
| 19:49.39 | pistache | :) |
| 19:49.52 | shadow` | i pretty much always had the unstable |
| 19:49.59 | themill | lenny was never unstable ; sid is always unstable |
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| 19:50.06 | themill | shadow`: no, you have a huge mess there |
| 19:50.12 | shadow` | ye i knew that :P |
| 19:50.31 | shadow` | should perhaps reinstall it some time, install is 3-4 years old :s |
| 19:50.43 | pistache | shadow`: then sid is the more recent |
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| 19:50.50 | themill | I have boxes that are 10 years old and have no intention of reinstalling them |
| 19:51.12 | shadow` | i dont wanna reinstall either, but the machine been a mess for quite a while now |
| 19:51.51 | suffe | how do I tell apt-get (or dselect for that matter) to downgrade to a specific version of a package? PHP 5.2.10 has a date-bug that affects PPC and it's making wordpress limp |
| 19:52.07 | suffe | I need 5.2.9 |
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| 19:52.44 | themill | shadow`: I would recommend you remove "unstable" from your sources.list and make all the lines read "lenny". Then "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" and follow the upgrade instructions |
| 19:53.40 | shadow` | ye erm, aptitude dist-upgrade isnt working either |
| 19:53.53 | shadow` | maybe without unstable it is |
| 19:53.56 | themill | shadow`: that was fast reading the release notes |
| 19:54.08 | shadow` | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade) |
| 19:54.09 | shadow` | ? |
| 19:54.28 | shadow` | seem to be going now, nvm |
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| 19:55.32 | themill | shadow`: when you have only lenny in your sources.list, check the output of "aptitude search ~o" for packages that are either from etch or squeeze/sid that you should remove and reinstall the lenny version. |
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| 19:55.45 | jpinx | themill: some people are happy to live in a mess ;) |
| 19:56.00 | aibo | hi, is there rksh package in debian? i've tried to apt-cache search, but nothing |
| 19:56.08 | asg | jpinx: then they shouldn't complain about the mess in which they live |
| 19:56.20 | jpinx | asg: ah yes - but they do ;0 |
| 19:56.27 | shadow` | ill note that themill, th |
| 19:56.28 | shadow` | x |
| 19:56.46 | asg | aibo: restricted korn shell? |
| 19:56.53 | aibo | yep |
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| 19:57.19 | jpinx | judd: versions rksh |
| 19:57.20 | judd | jpinx: rksh -- |
| 19:57.21 | asg | aibo: try the pdksh package, it probably installs a link for rksh |
| 19:57.33 | aibo | okay, thx! |
| 19:57.52 | themill | dpkg, make a mess of jpinx |
| 19:57.52 | dpkg | sets some cats on jpinx's keyboard |
| 19:58.18 | jpinx | Miaow |
| 19:58.46 | jpinx | themill: you'll be glad to hear that date -s 1458 worked fine |
| 19:59.10 | themill | :) |
| 19:59.14 | jpinx | but I have no idea if ntp is working |
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| 20:09.24 | unitypunk_ | is there anyway to force the umount commnad? |
| 20:09.29 | unitypunk_ | keep getting device is busy |
| 20:09.52 | _2 | i followed the instructions to the letter for madwifi and m-a a-i madwifi Build of the package madwifi-source failed! How do you wish to proceed? .... |
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| 20:10.46 | _2 | unitypunk_ normally one would close anything "shell/terminal" accessing the fs first |
| 20:11.08 | unitypunk_ | they are closed. |
| 20:11.21 | unitypunk_ | oh duh |
| 20:11.24 | _2 | try eject /dev/... |
| 20:11.24 | unitypunk_ | i was int he file. |
| 20:11.33 | unitypunk_ | no i was in the mountpoint lol |
| 20:11.38 | rudi_s | Hi. I just updated to the latest lenny release and got these warnings when running aptitude: Can't exec "/tmp/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64.config.198771": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.10/IPC/Open3.pm line 168. (some more with the same problem). I have noexec for /tmp to make it harder for exploits. Do I have to worry about this? |
| 20:11.38 | unitypunk_ | thanks :D |
| 20:11.42 | _2 | :) |
| 20:11.46 | unitypunk_ | thats was stupid. |
| 20:11.48 | unitypunk_ | lol |
| 20:11.58 | unitypunk_ | of course it wont unmount if its busy trying to read it :) |
| 20:12.36 | unitypunk_ | keep getting I?O errors on my ntfs drive. |
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| 20:15.17 | _2 | Checking kernel configuration... FAILED |
| 20:15.17 | _2 | Please enable wireless extensions. |
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| 20:15.34 | _2 | from the logfile of m-a |
| 20:15.44 | _2 | suggestions ? |
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| 20:16.15 | aibo | asg, there is no rksh in pdksh :( |
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| 20:16.30 | SparFux | Hi. |
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| 20:18.54 | _2 | make: *** [kdist_build] Error 2 |
| 20:19.15 | unitypunk_ | how can i check if the samba damon is running? |
| 20:19.32 | _2 | !madwifi-install |
| 20:19.32 | dpkg | madwifi-install is probably ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "aptitude update && aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe -r ath5k ; modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT wlan0. This driver is not available for Debian post-Lenny, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k>. |
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| 20:20.10 | _2 | unitypunk_ top ; pidof blah ;ps -args ... |
| 20:20.13 | shadow` | themill: erm well, the dist-upgrade only increased the nr of broken packages :S |
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| 20:21.55 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 20:23.09 | _2 | is debian intentionally broken ? |
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| 20:24.17 | SparFux | How can I remove a package including all of its diversions? |
| 20:24.48 | positron` | Anyone knows how I can read utf8 files in tty? All locales are set to en_US.UTF-8 but I have a file in utf8 encoding with cyrillic characters that do not display correctly with cat. |
| 20:25.24 | peterrooney | _2: no, it's intentionally disdainful of contrib and non-free software. |
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| 20:28.13 | _2 | peterrooney so make ath work without non-free |
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| 20:28.38 | kavakava | One little question. I just unplugged the power of my laptop and my backlight went down. I plugged it back in, but it's still low. I tried xbacklight -set 100, but it doesn't work (Other values work). Any tips? PS: Running squeeze 64 bit. |
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| 20:28.53 | abrotman | what's your desktop ? |
| 20:29.12 | kavakava | Openbox with xfce4-panel. |
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| 20:30.03 | kavakava | It's a Lenovo X61s if that matters. |
| 20:30.42 | keith4_ | what ever happened to the wmi-client package? |
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| 20:34.34 | peterrooney | !tell _2 about atheros |
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| 20:39.31 | kavakava | Holy hell. My function-buttons works all of a sudden! My backlight is back to normal. :-D |
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| 20:39.52 | kavakava | First time I've used them since I bought the computer two years ago. |
| 20:40.35 | hark | keith4_: it's been removed |
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| 20:41.13 | _2 | function-buttons are the first to ware out on my systems |
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| 20:41.34 | alexidoia | how can I know if a port is open ? |
| 20:41.41 | alexidoia | like 443 for ex ? |
| 20:41.55 | abrotman | netstat -plunt |
| 20:42.02 | alexidoia | thanks |
| 20:42.18 | alexidoia | abrotman: you've been here for years ! |
| 20:42.30 | abrotman | lies |
| 20:42.40 | abrotman | /nick sonofabrotman |
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| 20:42.54 | alexidoia | eheh |
| 20:43.08 | alexidoia | oh BTWÂ netstat: no support for `AF INET (tcp)' on this system. |
| 20:43.09 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.21 | _2 | /say /nick bin-abrotman |
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| 20:44.41 | alexidoia | is there another way to see if 443 port is open and enabled ? |
| 20:44.49 | alexidoia | young abrotman |
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| 20:44.59 | bpun | alexidoia, by NETSTAT |
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| 20:45.05 | abrotman | alexidoia: nmap? telnet? |
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| 20:45.54 | CaBa | uh, this is large |
| 20:45.55 | CaBa | hi |
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| 20:46.11 | henux | hello |
| 20:46.23 | henux | i have a question |
| 20:46.26 | alexidoia | bpun: for ex if I do netstat -l it should list all listened port right ? |
| 20:47.24 | bpun | alexidoia, man netstat mentions options and their descriptions.. i tend to use netstat -plutn |
| 20:47.25 | _2 | Q howto "enable wireless extensions" ? |
| 20:47.25 | _2 | Checking kernel configuration... FAILED |
| 20:47.25 | _2 | Please enable wireless extensions. |
| 20:47.50 | alexidoia | bpun: but I did that and I got some sort of error |
| 20:48.00 | _2 | i followed the instructions to the letter for madwifi and m-a a-i madwifi Build of the package madwifi-source failed! How do you wish to proceed? .... |
| 20:48.02 | bpun | alexidoia, then ur not using debian |
| 20:48.07 | alexidoia | bpun: no support for `AF INET (tcp)' on this system |
| 20:48.21 | alexidoia | bpun: yes yes I am using debian [with a wise voice] |
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| 20:49.07 | hark | _2: you must be running etch |
| 20:49.13 | CaBa | i was wondering if someone can give a a little hint on apt-secure. i am creating a little repo but apt-get complains it cannot verify my packages. i signed the Releases file and imported my public key, however i seem to have forgotten something? |
| 20:49.19 | hark | _2: with the etchnhalf kernel right? |
| 20:49.33 | bpun | alexidoia, not sure.. try modprobe ipv6 |
| 20:49.41 | abrotman | CaBa: run aptitude update;apt-get update ? |
| 20:49.46 | henux | i have a backup server and i need to copy files into it at regular basis. the backup server is running rsync with ssh. now, i was thinking of generating an ssh key and uploading that to the authorized_keys of the server so that i don't have to write down the login password in plain text to the cron script. however ssh keys are protectd usually with passprases, so should i take the risk of not encrypting the ssh script since i would have to write down the |
| 20:49.48 | CaBa | abrotman: yes |
| 20:49.55 | abrotman | i meant both |
| 20:49.58 | _2 | the ath5k module fails madwifi fails to build ..... @!!$@$%%@ |
| 20:50.08 | henux | s/ssh script/ssh key/ |
| 20:50.16 | abrotman | hark: yes, he is running etch |
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| 20:50.24 | alexidoia | bpun: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 20:50.43 | CaBa | abrotman: hm, no, i never used aptitude. but i also ran aptitude update and there is no change |
| 20:50.49 | bpun | alexidoia, are u on sid? |
| 20:50.54 | bpun | !depmod |
| 20:50.54 | dpkg | This is how the kernel module depedency list is created. It's done automatically (forcefully, even if it exists) on every boot in debian |
| 20:50.56 | abrotman | bpun: please speak english |
| 20:50.56 | alexidoia | lenny |
| 20:51.06 | CaBa | abrotman: unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any sort of verbose mode in apt-get that can tell where exactly the verification failed, is there? |
| 20:51.19 | bpun | alexidoia, i have no clue, im guessing depmod -a might fix it |
| 20:51.19 | _2 | hark yes etchnhalf |
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| 20:51.43 | abrotman | CaBa: you can use apt-key list to see if it's in the keyring ? |
| 20:51.51 | hark | _2: the 2.6.18 kernel will work. the etchnhalf kernels are not guaranteed to do so, |
| 20:51.54 | CaBa | abrotman: apt-key list shows the pubkey |
| 20:52.01 | bpun | abrotman, get a life |
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| 20:52.08 | abrotman | that was easy |
| 20:52.09 | geever | hello |
| 20:52.52 | abrotman | CaBa: you can tell apt to ignore the key warnings |
| 20:53.03 | CaBa | abrotman: thats not what i want |
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| 20:53.49 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 20:53.51 | hark | _2: from the release notes: Out-of-tree kernel module source packages that were provided in etch are not guaranteed to function properly with the 2.6.24 kernel. |
| 20:54.10 | to_ | hi, my server is on debian lenny, and I need a php5.3 feature, what is the recommended way to install it properly? |
| 20:54.23 | to_ | any backport available? |
| 20:54.34 | hark | _2: i am sure i can find a bug report for this as well, maybe there's a workaround. let me see... |
| 20:54.35 | abrotman | CaBa: from that page .. seems pretty simple .. though it may be out of date |
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| 20:54.59 | lafrance | to_ there is however was told not to use it also many cms will break with that version |
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| 20:55.17 | _2 | hark ok. i'll reboot to the older kernel. what do i do when that fails....... |
| 20:55.28 | to_ | lafrance: I'm not talking about CMS, just PHP |
| 20:55.39 | CaBa | abrotman: well i also fail to see what i miss |
| 20:55.43 | CaBa | abrotman: http://ebesucher.unique-internet.de thats the repo |
| 20:55.57 | SparFux2 | Hi! My aptitude hangs. What can I do? http://pastebin.com/d1b4194ff |
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| 20:56.18 | geever | I have problem installing 5.0.2: grub 'stage1 not read correctly' (bug#464146) |
| 20:56.22 | abrotman | CaBa: i meant .. that page says 1) create a Release file 2) sign it 3) publish it |
| 20:56.31 | CaBa | abrotman: yes - i read that page |
| 20:56.35 | abrotman | CaBa: go to #ubuntu |
| 20:56.51 | gramps | deb http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all |
| 20:56.52 | gramps | deb-src http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all |
| 20:56.58 | abrotman | do NOT use dotdeb |
| 20:56.59 | geever | I've read 5.0.3 is released in this topic but on debian.org I can see only 5.0.2a netinst image. |
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| 20:57.07 | abrotman | those packages are horrible |
| 20:57.08 | to_ | abrotman: why? |
| 20:57.09 | CaBa | abrotman: dotdeb? |
| 20:57.24 | abrotman | CaBa: dotdeb has nothing to do with your problem .. and this channel does not support Ubuntu |
| 20:57.26 | to_ | abrotman: could you recommend any others better? |
| 20:57.34 | abrotman | to_: you'd do better to backport your own |
| 20:57.53 | to_ | abrotman: any documentation about it please? |
| 20:58.08 | CaBa | abrotman: well i cat set up the same problem on my debian stable system if that satisfies you - or you can just put aside your emotions here :P |
| 20:58.12 | to_ | I've already backport some package before but I forgot how to |
| 20:58.26 | to_ | abrotman: any wiki article about it? |
| 20:58.28 | abrotman | CaBa: no, go to #ubuntu for Ubuntu support |
| 20:58.54 | abrotman | to_: you'd have to try to backport the experimental package, which i'm sure wouldn't be fun |
| 20:59.02 | CaBa | abrotman: the discussions on #ubuntu have a far lower level, you barely find anyone even aware of the ideas behind apt-secure |
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| 20:59.24 | abrotman | CaBa: not our problem |
| 20:59.33 | CaBa | abrotman: you're being emotional |
| 20:59.41 | hark | CaBa: no use arguing about it. it's just not supported here |
| 20:59.42 | avu | no, he's being reasonable |
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| 20:59.58 | abrotman | call it whatever you want .. the channel policy says we do not support debian-based distros (including Ubuntu) |
| 21:00.21 | CaBa | ok, and if i'll do some `sed -i "s/hardy/lenny" Releases` it will be a problem here? are you joking? |
| 21:00.21 | xeon-enouf | CaBa: we don't know what ubuntu does, nor how it works, hence; we could easily badly break your system (further) |
| 21:00.24 | SparFux2 | I did an aptitude clean and aptitude full-upgrade again and it hangs again at Preconfiguring packages.... |
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| 21:00.47 | abrotman | CaBa: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic, please go to #ubuntu for support |
| 21:01.25 | geever | anyone can help me with the grub problem |
| 21:01.27 | geever | ? |
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| 21:01.43 | simonrvn | geever: BTS |
| 21:01.53 | geever | sorry? |
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| 21:02.11 | xeon-enouf | shakes his cane at gramps .. again! :-p |
| 21:02.12 | spacenin1a | so debian is using dash instead of bash? |
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| 21:02.29 | abrotman | spacenin1a: /bin/sh is linked to dash |
| 21:02.34 | lafrance | xeon-enouf, sorry told him was advise not to use it |
| 21:02.36 | xeon-enouf | i believe for squeeze targeted release |
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| 21:02.48 | xeon-enouf | lafrance: ok |
| 21:02.54 | spacenin1a | abrotman: ok thx |
| 21:03.09 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 21:03.09 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 21:03.27 | abrotman | spacenin1a: you can configure it to do something different if you choose |
| 21:03.36 | geever | simonrvn, I've found this report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464146 |
| 21:03.43 | geever | there was no soution written |
| 21:03.43 | pertl | hi, I am using lenny and miss kernel modules "esp" / "esp4" for ipsec. can I add these without compiling the kernel manually? |
| 21:04.16 | justin | pertl: missing? |
| 21:04.22 | justin | pertl: says who? |
| 21:04.27 | pertl | modprobe esp4 ... not found |
| 21:04.35 | justin | pertl: uname -a |
| 21:04.38 | geever | I opened a recovery console, tried to upgrade packages, no new grub was available... |
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| 21:04.51 | pertl | Linux jedi 2.6.27.28-20090727a #1 SMP Mon Jul 27 07:45:10 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:05.02 | spacenin1a | abrotman: ok, I don't have debian, I was just curious |
| 21:05.12 | abrotman | pertl: that's not a Debian kernel |
| 21:05.19 | pertl | ? |
| 21:05.26 | abrotman | that's not from the Debian build system |
| 21:05.30 | abrotman | pertl: cat /proc/version |
| 21:05.44 | pertl | Linux version 2.6.27.28-20090727a (root@buildd-amd64) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) ) #1 SMP Mon Jul 27 07:45:10 UTC 2009 |
| 21:06.09 | simonrvn | geever: grub2, grub1? |
| 21:06.18 | pertl | this is in my /etc/apt/sources.list -- deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 21:06.23 | geever | grub1 (legacy) |
| 21:06.35 | abrotman | pertl: lenny does not have a 2.6.27 kernel |
| 21:06.45 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
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| 21:06.46 | judd | abrotman: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 21:07.06 | geever | wanted to install on a sata hdd mbr, root on sda5 |
| 21:07.30 | unj | Hi, I keep trying to uninstall fglrx-driver but I get the error E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code 1, do I have to remove it via a dpkg command? |
| 21:08.09 | pertl | abrotman: that's strange - I did apt-get dist-upgrade some time ago and everything was up to date.. |
| 21:08.15 | abrotman | pertl: the debian kernels have that module |
| 21:08.24 | abrotman | pertl: did you compile your own kernel? is this a VPS perhaps ? |
| 21:08.31 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: i installed squeeze and upgraded to sid (through debootstrap) some weeks ago; lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2001-08-03 02:39 /bin/sh -> bash |
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| 21:08.45 | pertl | abrotman: I just upgraded using that sources.list above |
| 21:08.58 | pertl | I upgraded from the previous version |
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| 21:09.12 | pertl | how can the kernel be too old ? |
| 21:09.44 | abrotman | i didn't say it was too old |
| 21:09.45 | pertl | abrotman: apt-get dist-upgrade : 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 21:09.53 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: is dash isntalled ? |
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| 21:10.08 | lafrance | this is od mine say 2.6.27.31-20090818a for kernel |
| 21:10.23 | simonrvn | geever: nm what i said then, sorry |
| 21:10.25 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: No packages found matching dash. |
| 21:11.17 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: if you want it, install it |
| 21:11.21 | unj | apt-get -f install also does not work... |
| 21:11.35 | unj | is there a way to force these packages off of my system? |
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| 21:13.02 | unj | anyone? |
| 21:13.27 | geever | simonrvn, So I can't use grub with Lenny? |
| 21:14.17 | pertl | abrotman: are you using "stable" ? |
| 21:14.26 | abrotman | pertl: on a few boxes .. why? |
| 21:14.35 | abrotman | dpkg: find esp4 lenny |
| 21:14.48 | pertl | abrotman: maybe that's the reason for the older kernel |
| 21:14.57 | abrotman | pertl: your kernel isn't a debian kernel .. who built it ? |
| 21:15.14 | pertl | nobody built it ... it was downloaded from the sources.list |
| 21:15.29 | abrotman | nope |
| 21:15.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'esp4' (4 of 9): (/usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.26/kernel/net/ipv4/esp4.ko) in misc/user-mode-linux ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/net/ipv4/esp4.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-486/kernel/net/ipv4/esp4.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/net/ipv4/esp4.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64. |
| 21:15.50 | abrotman | pertl: your system is amd64 ? |
| 21:15.56 | pertl | yes |
| 21:16.05 | CaBa | *sigh* |
| 21:16.12 | abrotman | pertl: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 21:16.30 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: how does that response coincide with; |
| 21:16.31 | xeon-enouf | 20:55 < spacenin1a> so debian is using dash instead of bash? |
| 21:16.33 | xeon-enouf | 20:56 < abrotman> spacenin1a: /bin/sh is linked to dash |
| 21:16.46 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: i'm not sure which package depends on dash |
| 21:16.57 | jelly-home | it's linked to dash if you link it yourself that way! |
| 21:17.09 | abrotman | jelly-home: it asks you when it installs AFAIR |
| 21:17.17 | pertl | abrotman: interesting! I will check that -- thanks !! :-)) |
| 21:17.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: install what? |
| 21:17.42 | unj | is there a way to force removal of a package through dpkg? I trien apt-get autoremove, and dpkg remove-essential, nothing seems to be working...this proprietary blob needs to go |
| 21:17.44 | unj | ? |
| 21:17.44 | abrotman | maybe i did explicitly install it |
| 21:18.25 | unj | sudo apt-get remove --purge does not work either |
| 21:18.56 | jelly-home | unj: which package? |
| 21:19.20 | unj | jelly-home: fglrx-glx and fglrx-driver |
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| 21:20.02 | jelly-home | unj: what goes wrong when you merely apt-get remove, or aptitude remove them? |
| 21:20.14 | unj | Hi, I keep trying to uninstall fglrx-driver but I get the error E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code 1, do I have to remove it via a dpkg command? |
| 21:20.15 | pertl | abrotman: indeed -- the amd kernel contains esp4.ko --- thank you very much :-))) |
| 21:20.58 | xeon-enouf | FWIW abrotman: "* Improved boot performance using dash as the new default shell, and a dependency-based boot system that will both clean up the boot process and help performance through parallel processing" http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 |
| 21:21.00 | unj | jelly-home: E; sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code 1 |
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| 21:21.30 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: i'm aware of that .. and it does seem to speed it up |
| 21:21.51 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: my point is, /bin/sh -> bash |
| 21:22.07 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: sure .. so install dash? :) |
| 21:22.18 | jelly-home | unj: dpkg -l fglrx-driver |tail -1 ? |
| 21:22.39 | abrotman | the guy was asking about "the default shell" being dash .. which isn't quite true, it's just that /bin/sh eventually is supposed to point to dash |
| 21:22.46 | xeon-enouf | well, he left anyway - so |
| 21:23.21 | xeon-enouf | eventually .. heh ..yeah, eventually the sun will become a white dwarf! |
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| 21:23.39 | unj | jelly-home: rH fglrx-driver 1:9-7-2 non-free AMD/ATI r6xx - r&xx display driver |
| 21:23.39 | abrotman | you should try it .. |
| 21:23.51 | abrotman | guess it really depends how often your system boots as to how important it is |
| 21:24.09 | abrotman | (though your shell scripts, etc may not explicitly choose a shell, so .. use with caution) |
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| 21:24.57 | jelly-home | unj: install a newer one, and see if the newer one can be removed without errors |
| 21:25.23 | jelly-home | judd: versions fglrx-driver |
| 21:25.23 | judd | jelly-home: fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4 etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4 squeeze/non-free: 1:9-2-2 sid/non-free: 1:9-8-2 |
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| 21:27.02 | unj | jelly-home: same error as when I try to remove |
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| 21:28.17 | jelly-home | unj: pastebin the complete output, please |
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| 21:29.20 | unj | jelly-home:http://pastebin.com/f12a492d2 |
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| 21:30.16 | jelly-home | unj: that isn't very helpful |
| 21:30.18 | Gabriela | olaaa |
| 21:30.35 | unj | jelly-home: I am sorry? what happened? |
| 21:30.48 | jelly-home | unj: take a look at your paste. |
| 21:31.35 | unj | jelly-home: sorry, I am new to pasting from bash |
| 21:32.09 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 21:32.09 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 21:33.35 | geever | I'll check if I can find an 503 netinst image in the next days and check that's grub. A bit disappointing that such critical bugs were left in the "stable" release... :( |
| 21:35.34 | aucabarcas | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.34 | dpkg | no idea, aucabarcas |
| 21:35.46 | unj | jelly-home: I can't do this, I don't know the syntax for pastebinit |
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| 21:36.16 | jelly-home | geever: grub legacy never worked well with md raid anyway, you're better off using grub2 or lilo, as you've already found out |
| 21:36.23 | lunaphyte | i'm following testing, and have this server fairly integrated with ldap. since i've recently updated via apt-get upgrade, i now get an error when using sudo as an ldap user: "sudo: setreuid(ROOT_UID, user_uid): Operation not permitted". google isn't uncovering much. how can i troubleshoot this further? |
| 21:36.27 | hakr | pastebinit file.type |
| 21:36.47 | unj | hakr: how do I do it for apt-get install output? |
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| 21:37.32 | geever | jelly-home, it's not a raid just a simple sata hdd. and grub2 was said to be EXPERIMENTAL... |
| 21:38.07 | hakr | not sure bout that |
| 21:38.10 | geever | before debian meant 'rock solid', now It dies on install... ;( |
| 21:38.22 | geever | regression |
| 21:38.39 | hakr | hooray for crappy code |
| 21:38.45 | jelly-home | geever: how do you figure it to be that same bug, then? |
| 21:38.46 | Ersoy | hello, how can i change debian language, i use turkish but i want to english |
| 21:38.48 | Ersoy | !lang |
| 21:38.49 | dpkg | somebody said lang was Trøls |
| 21:38.52 | Ersoy | !language |
| 21:38.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins. to the scientists language is god |
| 21:38.59 | jelly-home | !locale |
| 21:38.59 | dpkg | somebody said locale was set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 21:39.18 | Ersoy | !locale |
| 21:39.18 | dpkg | locale is, like, set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
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| 21:40.12 | jelly-home | Ersoy: a nicer explanation is in /msg dpkg locales |
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| 21:40.51 | unj | jelly-home: 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 832 not upgraded, reading...blabla...unpacking replacement...blabla, dpkg: error processing .var.chache/apt/archives/fglrx-glx_1%3a9-8-2_amd64.deb (--unpack). trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2', whihc is also in package lib11-mesa-glx dpkg-dep: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processin |
| 21:41.19 | unj | jelly-home: /var/cach/apt/archives/fglrx-glx... |
| 21:41.25 | geever | jelly-home, the first message in 464146 didin't mention raid, but the same error message as I had about stage1 |
| 21:41.46 | unj | jelly-home: E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code 1 |
| 21:42.01 | jelly-home | unj: that's a different package, then. can you remove that one? |
| 21:42.10 | jelly-home | (fglrx-glx)? |
| 21:42.16 | unj | jelly-home: cannot remove either |
| 21:42.25 | unj | jelly-home: same errors for both |
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| 21:43.11 | dustybin | where abouts in a BASH shell can i put in a extra PATH= to locate another bin dir? |
| 21:43.46 | dustybin | .bash_profile :D |
| 21:43.46 | jelly-home | unj: well, you can add "set -x" into the package install scripts, see where it breaks. /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-glx.{prerm,postrm} for removing |
| 21:45.12 | unj | jelly-home: where exactly do I type that in the command for removal? |
| 21:45.39 | jelly-home | geever: that means it's not the same bug, but one with similar symptoms |
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| 21:46.13 | jelly-home | unj: near the beginning of the install scripts. After the first line. |
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| 21:46.29 | geever | is it? The first bug wan't about raid if I interpreted correctly |
| 21:46.39 | geever | s/bug/report/ |
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| 21:47.13 | unj | jelly-home: I have to run, but thanks for trying |
| 21:47.19 | jelly-home | unj: I didn't say in the command for removal, but to edit those files, add a line, then try removing fglrx-glx again |
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| 21:49.08 | _2 | ok i finally have ath0, now how to scan for ap's |
| 21:49.35 | jelly-home | geever: hm, you're right in that the original submitter didn't report it as a md raid issue. However the maintainer interpreted and fixed it as one. |
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| 21:51.00 | geever | jelly-home, That bug is one and a half years old. Do you think noone else got it or moved to grub2? |
| 21:51.36 | jelly-home | geever: it's long closed. Check any still-open bugs. |
| 21:51.49 | jelly-home | if there are none, make a new report |
| 21:52.36 | _2 | speaking of, is grub2 avalable for etch or etchnhalf ? |
| 21:52.50 | _2 | i have to use either lilo or grub2 |
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| 21:53.22 | _2 | grub is to weak to work without partition/s |
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| 21:55.51 | pertl | does lenny support raid arrays at boot time / what kernel do I need for that? |
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| 22:02.09 | nsadmin | _2, that's true, but it's because grub has a weird check at some point; I forget the details but I investigated it before |
| 22:02.38 | nsadmin | btw why not just put a partition? |
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| 22:07.43 | nsadmin | pertl: an existing array? what kind of raid, what controller? |
| 22:08.25 | _2 | nsadmin just the rebel in me. but i don't want a partition |
| 22:08.25 | geever | good night |
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| 22:10.41 | pertl | nsadmin: it's a dedicated, rented root server ... from looking at dmesg is seems like it is a "3ware 9000" |
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| 22:11.33 | pertl | nsadmin: looks like that: [ 3.779090] Detecting Adaptec I2O RAID controllers... |
| 22:11.33 | pertl | [ 3.789285] megasas: 00.00.04.01 Thu July 24 11:41:51 PST 2008 |
| 22:11.34 | pertl | [ 3.801012] 3ware Storage Controller device driver for Linux v1.26.02.002. |
| 22:11.34 | pertl | [ 3.814789] 3ware 9000 Storage Controller device driver for Linux v2.26.02.01 |
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| 22:11.48 | pertl | oops, sorry |
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| 22:12.07 | unitypunk | [996940.064049] usb 4-5: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 19 |
| 22:12.11 | unitypunk | wtf does that mean. |
| 22:12.31 | unitypunk | came outta dmesg |
| 22:13.30 | pipeline_ | unitypunk: means a device stopped talking or otherwise misbehaved, and the host controller bitchslapped it. |
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| 22:13.38 | unitypunk | okay. |
| 22:13.39 | unitypunk | why? |
| 22:13.43 | pipeline_ | could be anything |
| 22:13.47 | unitypunk | :-/ |
| 22:13.48 | pipeline_ | device clammed up suddenly |
| 22:13.51 | pipeline_ | device spammed the bus with crap |
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| 22:14.07 | unitypunk | i think its my usb external hd. |
| 22:14.07 | pipeline_ | device just isn't working |
| 22:14.12 | FabParma | how to create a syslog server? |
| 22:14.20 | unitypunk | and its been giving me problems |
| 22:14.26 | unitypunk | with I/O errors |
| 22:14.27 | unitypunk | and doing that. |
| 22:14.36 | unitypunk | see. |
| 22:14.40 | unitypunk | now i cant see the drive. |
| 22:16.27 | FabParma | can you suggest me a sysylog pacage that has compression and dvd burning automatic capabilities? |
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| 22:18.16 | unitypunk | pipeline_, it keeps happening |
| 22:18.38 | pipeline_ | unitypunk: some devices aren't very well-behaved *shrug* |
| 22:18.53 | pipeline_ | FabParma: install syslog or syslog-ng. Read man page. Comprehend. |
| 22:19.02 | pipeline_ | FabParma: syslog-ng is much more pleasant to configure. |
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| 22:20.18 | FabParma | pipeline_: thanx |
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| 22:21.24 | unitypunk | so you wouldnt be worried pipeline_ ? |
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| 22:23.34 | pipeline_ | unitypunk: no. Could be the drive, could just be an ill-behaved set of USB chips. |
| 22:23.59 | karme | FabParma: starting with lenny rsyslog is the default - you can also use that one - regarding burning dvds - you will have to manually script that and somebody must insert/change dvds? |
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| 22:24.02 | unitypunk | it was an extreamly cheap usb sata/ide enclosure. |
| 22:24.14 | unitypunk | but this hasent happened untill reciently. |
| 22:24.54 | FabParma | karme: yes |
| 22:25.34 | karme | FabParma: maybe it is easier to log to a remote machine? |
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| 22:26.54 | flaccid | does debian have source packages in repos ? |
| 22:27.05 | FabParma | the customer want save logs on dvd, to me it is unusefull, shoul be fine an external drive o remote drive |
| 22:27.22 | karme | FabParma: i see |
| 22:27.28 | themill | flaccid: /msg dpkg source |
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| 22:28.09 | karme | FabParma: compression is typically done by logrotate - there you also can call a post rotate script - this maybe would be a good place to prepare / burn dvd |
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| 22:29.18 | karme | anybody else burning log files to dvd? or anybody using an old endless paper printer? |
| 22:29.43 | FabParma | karme: so, what should be the fastes solution considering that i have to compress logs and one they arrive to 4,7 GB the system has to start burning a dvd already inserted |
| 22:30.30 | karme | FabParma: logs are compressed by logrotate - i would launch in the postrotate a self made script |
| 22:31.05 | karme | FabParma: the script would check: empty dvd in the drive? do we have enough data to burn? too much? maybe split ... |
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| 22:31.57 | FabParma | karme: consider that the dvd it is blank |
| 22:32.16 | FabParma | and already inserted into the drive |
| 22:32.23 | flaccid | thanks themill |
| 22:32.35 | FabParma | which command have i to script? |
| 22:33.42 | FabParma | what dvd burnin application accept command via shell? |
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| 22:34.40 | FabParma | what dvd burning application accepts commands directly via bash? |
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| 22:35.11 | FabParma | this is my trouble |
| 22:35.40 | karme | FabParma: growisofs |
| 22:35.56 | karme | FabParma: Package: dvd+rw-tools |
| 22:36.23 | flaccid | the bot is a little bit vague with this factoid. what does add a <deb-src> line to your sources list exactly mean |
| 22:36.45 | flaccid | well deb-src <url> |
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| 22:37.00 | flaccid | but just use the same url/repos as the binary one ? |
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| 22:37.23 | FabParma | karme: very interesting |
| 22:37.33 | karme | flaccid: typically, yes |
| 22:37.37 | flaccid | okies |
| 22:37.45 | FabParma | so, im quite ready to create the script |
| 22:37.47 | Astroman | hi, just tried to aptitude install otrs2 and got an error "E: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libcompress-raw-zlib-perl/libcompress-raw-zlib-perl_2.012-1_i386.deb: Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. '" - the actual file in that directory I think is called libcompress-raw-zlib-perl_2.012-1lenny1_i386.deb |
| 22:39.08 | Astroman | this is on a fairly clean lenny install with default apt/sources.list |
| 22:39.16 | streuner | Astroman: use packages.debian.org instead |
| 22:40.12 | streuner | judd, versions libcompress-raw-zlib-perl |
| 22:40.13 | judd | streuner: libcompress-raw-zlib-perl -- lenny: 2.012-1 lenny-backports: 2.020-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.020-1 sid: 2.021-1 |
| 22:41.58 | Astroman | sorry streuner, what do yo usuggest i do to fix it? |
| 22:42.13 | streuner | amset:/tmp# wget http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libcompress-raw-zlib-perl/libcompress-raw-zlib-perl_2.012-1lenny1_i386.deb |
| 22:42.28 | streuner | 2009-09-07 00:41:53 (171 KB/s) - »libcompress-raw-zlib-perl_2.012-1lenny1_i386.deb« gespeichert [55500/55500] |
| 22:42.32 | streuner | hm |
| 22:42.53 | streuner | Astroman: just try "apt-get update" |
| 22:43.01 | karme | Astroman: maybe the mirror was incomplete? => try again |
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| 22:44.18 | karme | Astroman: but probably streuner is right and your package list is not up to date |
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| 22:44.43 | Astroman | do i have to remove otrs and reinstall it? after apt-get update? |
| 22:45.16 | karme | Astroman: no |
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| 22:46.38 | karme | Astroman: it probably is not installed yet anyway |
| 22:47.22 | Astroman | so wget the right libcompress file and then install it? |
| 22:47.35 | streuner | Astroman: please show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 22:47.51 | karme | Astroman: aptitude update && aptitude install otrs2 if you are unsure |
| 22:48.38 | Astroman | its the default one on my install - http://paste.debian.net/45886/ |
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| 22:49.10 | streuner | Astroman: s/ftp/http/ |
| 22:49.39 | syslq78 | What's the difference between /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages? |
| 22:49.54 | streuner | Astroman: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main |
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| 22:50.17 | cobra-the-joker | hey there guys ......when i try to build any thing ( ./confiure ) ...this show up --> http://www.fpaste.org/dOky/ |
| 22:51.06 | Astroman | streuner: really? change the first line? I haven't changed this at all, this is the default setup |
| 22:51.22 | karme | syslq78: depends on your syslog setup - which syslog package do you use? |
| 22:51.23 | streuner | nah, thats crap |
| 22:51.36 | streuner | Astroman: Debian uses http by default |
| 22:51.46 | streuner | !ftp_must_die |
| 22:51.58 | streuner | hm |
| 22:52.11 | syslq78 | karme, how do I check that? |
| 22:52.30 | streuner | !ftp must die |
| 22:52.30 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 22:52.41 | syslq78 | karme, syslogd? |
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| 22:53.56 | streuner | Astroman: i dont really have an idea why ftp is set as protocol, but Debian doesnt use ftp (mirror) |
| 22:54.21 | stack | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie is this link broken? |
| 22:54.40 | streuner | oh, wooledge is down since a few days... |
| 22:54.45 | Astroman | steuner: ok. changed it. thanks |
| 22:54.51 | streuner | no worries |
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| 22:55.12 | streuner | stack: maybe google cached it |
| 22:55.25 | FabParma | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.27 | karme | syslq78: then take a look at /etc/syslog.conf and man syslog.conf |
| 22:56.07 | syslq78 | karme, thanks |
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| 22:57.15 | FabParma | I would like to create a file server manageble via web browser like a tool box. Have you idea if already exist someting similar? |
| 22:57.19 | karme | syslq78: typically /var/log/messages contains even more info than /var/log/syslog |
| 22:57.50 | syslq78 | karme, yeah I have noticed that but didnt know what's the difference , some info is logged 2 |
| 22:58.37 | flaccid | um where does source packages install to? and what is the command with apt to list pkg contents ? |
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| 22:59.06 | streuner | in the folder where you run the command (usually) |
| 22:59.37 | karme | flaccid: and they don't "install" |
| 22:59.53 | flaccid | oh right |
| 23:00.03 | flaccid | i see |
| 23:00.14 | karme | flaccid: you download a source package |
| 23:00.28 | FabParma | I would like to create a FILE SERVER accessible via web browser like a tool box without monitor. Have you idea if already exists someting like or similar? |
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| 23:01.55 | karme | !source |
| 23:01.55 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> |
| 23:01.57 | flaccid | FabParma: use webdav |
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| 23:02.44 | acidfreeze | i have a 09:00.0 Audio device: Creative Labs [SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio] CA0110-IBG, i have tried using snd-ctxfi |
| 23:03.01 | flaccid | ok so im going to build this openvpn auth ldap plugin. configure needs or uses --prefix for lib location. is lib typicall /usr/local/lib in debian or should i use a dif prefix ? |
| 23:03.01 | acidfreeze | doesnt work, also i have tried using the snd-hda-intel |
| 23:03.03 | rudi_s | FabParma: A simple webserver like apache should be enough. Use ssh(fs) to get the data onto the server. |
| 23:03.25 | acidfreeze | can someone help? |
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| 23:04.11 | karme | !tell flaccid about fhs |
| 23:04.20 | themill | judd pciid 1102:0009 |
| 23:04.21 | judd | themill: [1102:0009] is '[SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio] CA0110-IBG' from 'Creative Labs' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0009 |
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| 23:04.40 | themill | acidfreeze: ^^ if I've got the right pciid for that card, that's a problem... (check lspci -nn) |
| 23:04.48 | flaccid | ok karme i'll check man heir then |
| 23:05.26 | flaccid | yeah /usr/local/lib is fine |
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| 23:06.34 | karme | flaccid: prefix is usr/local then! |
| 23:06.36 | themill | judd info openvpn-auth-ldap |
| 23:06.44 | themill | judd info openvpn-auth-ldap --release sid |
| 23:06.45 | judd | themill: openvpn-auth-ldap (net): is extra; Version: 2.0.3-1; Size: 36.6k; Installed: 108k -- OpenVPN LDAP authentication module |
| 23:07.02 | themill | flaccid: ^^ a backport might be possible/preferable |
| 23:07.24 | acidfreeze | themill: 09:00.0 Audio device [0403]: Creative Labs [SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio] CA0110-IBG [1102:0009] |
| 23:07.40 | themill | acidfreeze: yep, that's the same pciid. |
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| 23:09.21 | FabParma | I'd to set up Bacup sever accessible via web browser like a tool box without monitor.I need to administrate the backup to the clients in the lan, time, quota, set wich mac can access to the backup server, a verify system to check the copy integrity crc or md5 |
| 23:10.18 | acidfreeze | themill: so snd-hda-intel wont work> |
| 23:10.18 | acidfreeze | ? |
| 23:10.33 | themill | acidfreeze: there are no kernel modules in any debian kernel that claim to work with that device |
| 23:11.42 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:11.58 | acidfreeze | mmkay |
| 23:12.24 | acidfreeze | well module loads just fine, just not getting any sound from speakers |
| 23:13.00 | streuner | snd-hda-intel is a bitch |
| 23:13.11 | streuner | there are many chipsets in that driver... |
| 23:13.23 | streuner | well, and many bugs |
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| 23:14.03 | FabParma | I need to create a "tool-box" Backup Server. It has to copy data from the clients in the lan repecting the sceduler, quota size and the way to verify the copied files by crc or md5. Does exist something already made or similar. Thank you |
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| 23:14.15 | kbrd | is valgrind not in debian/testing? |
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| 23:14.28 | themill | judd versions valgrind |
| 23:14.29 | judd | themill: valgrind -- etch: 1:3.2.1-1 lenny: 1:3.3.1-3 sid: 1:3.4.1-1 squeeze: 1:3.4.1-1 |
| 23:14.30 | streuner | dpkg, valgrind |
| 23:14.30 | dpkg | i guess valgrind is http://devel-home.kde.org/~sewardj/, or a l33t t00l to find memory l34kz, or capable of finding use of uninitialized memory and invalid reads/writes |
| 23:14.33 | themill | kraut: should be |
| 23:14.45 | themill | err... kbrd ^^ |
| 23:15.11 | kbrd | i tried searching for it and installing.. with aptitude. couldn't find it :/ |
| 23:15.36 | streuner | well, search harder then |
| 23:15.51 | streuner | /msg dpkg search |
| 23:15.59 | FabParma | I need to create a "tool-box" Backup Server. It has to copy data from the clients in the lan respecting the scheduler, quota size and a way to verify the copied files by crc or md5. Does exist something already made or similar. Thank you |
| 23:16.03 | kbrd | it's not here :/ weird |
| 23:16.13 | karme | !tell FabParma about repeat |
| 23:16.29 | themill | kbrd: what arch? i386? |
| 23:16.30 | streuner | kbrd: sounds like your sources.list isnt ok then |
| 23:16.33 | kbrd | sparc |
| 23:16.33 | FabParma | karme: i changet the content |
| 23:16.38 | kbrd | oh that's why ^_^ |
| 23:16.44 | streuner | hm, thats different then |
| 23:16.45 | themill | kbrd: doesn't exist for sparc... |
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| 23:16.58 | kbrd | ok |
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| 23:19.05 | abrotman | has themill add "judd: arches foopkg" |
| 23:19.17 | themill | yeah, was just thinking that.... |
| 23:19.37 | streuner | not a bad idea |
| 23:19.55 | abrotman | not sure if the UDD already has that |
| 23:20.40 | themill | judd has the different arches there, it just needs the sql |
| 23:20.41 | judd | themill: Error: "has" is not a valid command. |
| 23:20.54 | streuner | its really an exeption, usually people uses x86 |
| 23:21.09 | themill | even i386/amd64 has some differences though |
| 23:21.26 | ajavid | hello people |
| 23:21.31 | ajavid | good sunday evening |
| 23:21.32 | streuner | yes, and they should asking in #debian-amd64 :-P |
| 23:21.48 | ajavid | there is a debian-amd64? |
| 23:21.51 | ajavid | joins |
| 23:21.55 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 23:21.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 23:22.31 | ajavid | I see |
| 23:24.04 | karme | FabParma: maybe "aptitude search '~Gadmin::backup'" helps - but maybe not |
| 23:25.27 | karme | FabParma: maybe slbackup-php |
| 23:26.24 | FabParma | karme: thanks, i go to see |
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| 23:27.38 | unitypunk | soo.. |
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| 23:27.50 | unitypunk | how do i fix this drive. |
| 23:27.56 | unitypunk | iit was working fine. |
| 23:28.04 | unitypunk | and now its giving me i/o errors. |
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| 23:28.10 | unitypunk | and doing crazytthings |
| 23:28.32 | unitypunk | [1001956.472214] Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 786433 |
| 23:29.04 | abrotman | it's dying |
| 23:29.09 | unitypunk | shit. |
| 23:29.15 | unitypunk | how do i save it. |
| 23:29.28 | unitypunk | or should i just start backing up everything i can off it. |
| 23:29.41 | streuner | do you have smartctl installed? |
| 23:29.54 | unitypunk | im gonna guess no. |
| 23:30.04 | unitypunk | its an ntfs drive btw. |
| 23:30.24 | bit0 | i've this syslog warning: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 ... but i've no disket at all. |
| 23:30.30 | streuner | just fsck the FS first |
| 23:30.35 | ajavid | question, when I do 'schroot -c sid -p konqueror' it starts up just fine. If I do 'schroot -c sid -p konqueror --profile filemanagement' nothing happens, E: unknown option profile (it takes it as a option to itself |
| 23:30.43 | unitypunk | cant streuner its ntfs |
| 23:30.56 | karme | !-- |
| 23:30.57 | dpkg | i heard -- is commonly the end of arguments delimiter for GNU or GNU like utilities. It disambiguates between a literal "--" and arguments. Eg, rm -- --help will remove "--help" from the current directory. |
| 23:30.57 | ajavid | how does one pass command line arguments to commans being passed by schroot -p? |
| 23:31.08 | streuner | unitypunk: well, there is linux-ntfs.org, maybe they have a tool for that now |
| 23:31.26 | karme | ajavid: or try quotes |
| 23:31.34 | ajavid | ok |
| 23:31.46 | themill | ajavid: man schroot... -- |
| 23:32.00 | ajavid | $>schroot -c sid -p "konqueror --profile filemanagement" |
| 23:32.00 | ajavid | I: [sid chroot] Running command: âkonqueror --profile filemanagementâ |
| 23:32.00 | ajavid | E: Failed to execute âkonqueror --profile filemanagementâ: No such file or directory |
| 23:32.03 | ajavid | themill, ohhh |
| 23:33.26 | ajavid | beautiful, thanks |
| 23:33.34 | unitypunk | well the best it can do is mark it as dity. |
| 23:33.36 | unitypunk | dirty. |
| 23:33.39 | unitypunk | and have windows fix it. |
| 23:33.43 | streuner | unitypunk: but, usually i/o errors are really bad, the FS is totally broken or the device itself is broken (abrotman told you already) |
| 23:34.04 | ajavid | $>schroot -p -c sid -- konqueror --profile filemanagement |
| 23:34.04 | ajavid | I: [sid chroot] Running command: âkonqueror --profile filemanagementâ |
| 23:34.05 | unitypunk | ugh. |
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| 23:34.15 | ajavid | I had to change so that -p was before, otherwise it gave another error |
| 23:34.27 | ajavid | heh, damn linux! /me shakes a fist in the air |
| 23:34.34 | flaccid | themill: thanks mate; is there a list of repos somewhere or what is the source for this backport repos ? |
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| 23:34.46 | ajavid | flaccid, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:34.56 | flaccid | thanks ajavid |
| 23:35.14 | ajavid | themill, I guess I didn't scroll down to that section or if I did I didn't remember, thanks |
| 23:35.27 | themill | np |
| 23:35.49 | unitypunk | cant unmount it |
| 23:35.55 | unitypunk | the device is buys |
| 23:35.57 | unitypunk | busy |
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| 23:36.10 | unitypunk | this time im not in the folder too. |
| 23:36.21 | flaccid | anyone using debian in the cloud ?? |
| 23:36.31 | streuner | nobody :-P |
| 23:36.45 | streuner | unitypunk: did you start an app in that folder? |
| 23:36.50 | unitypunk | nah |
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| 23:37.01 | unitypunk | only mp3's and movis on there. |
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| 23:37.16 | streuner | hm |
| 23:37.22 | ajavid | without -p it won't connect to X as no env is preserved, and if -p comes after -c sid, it gives E: Failed to execute â-pâ: No such file or directory |
| 23:37.24 | flaccid | haha |
| 23:37.37 | ajavid | :) |
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| 23:37.47 | ajavid | what is a cloud? |
| 23:37.50 | ajavid | !cloud |
| 23:38.07 | purplepenguins | i think he's talking about airplanes? |
| 23:38.08 | flaccid | cloud computing check wikipedia. eg. Amazon EC2, GoGrid etc. |
| 23:38.13 | ajavid | oh |
| 23:38.23 | ajavid | that stuff, yeah, its too advnacned for me |
| 23:38.25 | ajavid | :) |
| 23:38.26 | purplepenguins | cloud computing is an annoying vague term |
| 23:38.30 | flaccid | all my stuff is in the cloud and i work for a cloud company |
| 23:38.41 | streuner | and you go |
| 23:38.42 | ajavid | flaccid, I just thought you got really really high! |
| 23:38.43 | ajavid | :) |
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| 23:38.51 | streuner | and you got cloud money too? :-P |
| 23:38.57 | flaccid | well its not actually a vague term at all. cloud computing is pretty well defined |
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| 23:39.05 | purplepenguins | does it generically mean doing virtualized work on other computers locally |
| 23:39.08 | flaccid | well i got stock options :p |
| 23:39.21 | purplepenguins | over the internet |
| 23:39.22 | flaccid | purplepenguins: nope |
| 23:39.30 | unitypunk | so how do i make the device not busy. |
| 23:39.41 | FabParma | Has someone tried "Box Backup"? |
| 23:39.41 | purplepenguins | what exactly is cloud computing then |
| 23:39.47 | streuner | uhm, the last option is reboot :-) |
| 23:39.53 | unitypunk | lol |
| 23:40.15 | flaccid | its virtual servers effectively distributed across usually multiple hardware/locations and its defined by things like elastic IPs |
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| 23:40.22 | ajavid | hey |
| 23:40.24 | ajavid | sweet |
| 23:40.37 | ajavid | I need to go to #debian-kde now |
| 23:40.46 | flaccid | purplepenguins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing |
| 23:40.50 | purplepenguins | i'm there |
| 23:41.08 | unitypunk | i dont understand cloud computing either pengiun. |
| 23:41.20 | purplepenguins | in any case, what does debian have to do with it |
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| 23:41.49 | flaccid | you can get a free trial account with RightScale if you want to try it out. just think of it like virtual servers |
| 23:41.59 | sepult | anyones got hulu proxy or vpn setup ? |
| 23:42.06 | flaccid | you run virtual servers in the cloud, but its more than that |
| 23:42.10 | flaccid | purplepenguins: i run debian in the cloud |
| 23:42.27 | flaccid | so i use a debian image that somebody made for amazon ec2 |
| 23:42.36 | ajavid | purplepenguins, did you just ask what #debian-kde as to do with debian? |
| 23:43.07 | sepult | anyones got proxy or vpn setup to get video streamed from the us or so ? |
| 23:43.13 | purplepenguins | no, i've been speaking strictly to flaccid |
| 23:43.25 | purplepenguins | okay |
| 23:44.02 | ajavid | oh ok |
| 23:44.06 | ajavid | I just wondering :) |
| 23:44.08 | flaccid | sepult: yeah i use openvpn |
| 23:44.13 | unitypunk | so.. |
| 23:44.19 | unitypunk | do i run windows7 in the clouud? |
| 23:44.24 | purplepenguins | as i am to understand cloud computing, you risk sacrificing your freedom to use it |
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| 23:45.37 | flaccid | purplepenguins: what freedom are you talking about? it actually gives you more freedom |
| 23:45.51 | unitypunk | flaccid, can i be int he cloud too! |
| 23:46.02 | unitypunk | whats the benifit to being there. |
| 23:46.09 | purplepenguins | specifically, you are only able to do as much as the provider of the services allows for you to have |
| 23:46.30 | purplepenguins | this is moot for more applications |
| 23:47.06 | flaccid | purplepenguins: thats not correct. you can run your choice of OS. you run your own virtual dedicated server so the provider doesn't limit you at all |
| 23:47.24 | flaccid | unitypunk: the benefit is that its cheaper and you don't have to worry or pay for hardware |
| 23:47.37 | unitypunk | what |
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| 23:47.42 | unitypunk | i dont have to pay for a new laptop? |
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| 23:47.49 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:47.51 | unitypunk | sounds good to me. |
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| 23:48.09 | purplepenguins | what is the gain of having a virtual server on their site? |
| 23:48.10 | unitypunk | will my files be in the cloud? |
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| 23:48.31 | flaccid | um you don't use laptops for servers. im talking about a virtual server in the cloud where the cloud is managed and redundant so you don't buy hardware nor have to worry about it |
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| 23:48.56 | unitypunk | so i still have to pay to get into the cloud. |
| 23:49.00 | unitypunk | not as cool. |
| 23:49.07 | flaccid | its a virtual server so yes your files are in the cloud, but its secure. you can also use a backend storage service such as Amazon S3 |
| 23:49.17 | purplepenguins | the provider limits what you can use the server for |
| 23:49.24 | purplepenguins | i'm absolutely positive it has terms of use |
| 23:49.33 | jpinx | unitypunk: there are ways to use free cloud computing |
| 23:49.34 | purplepenguins | i.e. please don't run botnets on me |
| 23:49.49 | unitypunk | man |
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| 23:49.54 | flaccid | unitypunk: its about 1/3 the price of a dedicated server and you pay for the time you run your server, so you pay per minute and data transfer is essentially 1c a gigabyte |
| 23:49.58 | unitypunk | checking this drive is gonna take for ever. |
| 23:50.05 | flaccid | purplepenguins: no it doesn't |
| 23:50.23 | purplepenguins | you're saying that they don't have terms of use on the server? |
| 23:50.25 | purplepenguins | at all? |
| 23:50.35 | flaccid | well sure they might have some terms on the bad stuff, but every data centre does |
| 23:50.36 | purplepenguins | no legalese bullcrap? |
| 23:50.41 | flaccid | and ISPs etc. |
| 23:51.02 | purplepenguins | yes though they can't confiscate your data if you break the terms |
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| 23:51.11 | unitypunk | everyone has TaCoS |
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| 23:51.25 | flaccid | unless you are an ISP, wherever you host a server the provider is going to have terms of use of course.. |
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| 23:51.46 | flaccid | yes you own your data of course |
| 23:52.05 | streuner | unitypunk: any idea how old the earth is? |
| 23:52.05 | flaccid | unitypunk: what does TaCoS stand for exactly? |
| 23:52.20 | streuner | !tacos |
| 23:52.20 | dpkg | tacos are the only thing that has meaning in life |
| 23:52.24 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:52.29 | streuner | !factinfo tacos |
| 23:52.30 | dpkg | tacos -- created by gomerbud <daver@p110-223-w.tenaya.reshall.calpoly.edu> at Sat Jun 3 08:18:04 2000 (3382 days); it has been requested 13 times, last by streuner, 10s ago. |
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| 23:52.55 | streuner | dpkg, forget tacos |
| 23:52.55 | dpkg | streuner: i forgot tacos |
| 23:53.04 | purplepenguins | okay, these things might be all true |
| 23:53.19 | kbrd | some of my packages in testing (like openssh-client) are not able to be --configure'd. is there any way aptitude can fix this? |
| 23:53.30 | flaccid | but what does it stand for ? |
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| 23:53.57 | flaccid | purplepenguins: i migrated from dedicated and the performance is actually better so im happy |
| 23:54.01 | purplepenguins | though essentially it's not different from webhosting except in the way the content is handled and the freedom of the user to have his own software choices |
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| 23:54.44 | streuner | kbrd: you need to give us more details |
| 23:55.03 | flaccid | purplepenguins: yes that actually makes it incredibly different. there are many differences |
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| 23:55.22 | flaccid | virtual dedicated hosting is very flexible |
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| 23:56.18 | streuner | kbrd: basically aptitude/apt is a tool which manage to get packages from i-net/device and give them to dpkg... |
| 23:56.23 | flaccid | i run debian lenny and there is no problems at all |
| 23:56.34 | streuner | kbrd: dpkg is the tool which manipulate the packages and installs them |
| 23:56.37 | kbrd | every time i `aptitude safe-upgrade`, at the end it says 'Errors were encountered while processing' about five packages. the errors say "dpkg: error while processing ssh (--configure)" |
| 23:56.42 | streuner | kbrd: so the answer is no |
| 23:56.59 | flaccid | ok guys i set up backports but i tried to install openvpn-auth-ldap but its not in this repos |
| 23:57.07 | streuner | kbrd: well, that sounds like a bug |
| 23:57.08 | kbrd | streuner: it is preventing me from upgrading other packages though |
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| 23:57.18 | streuner | sure |
| 23:57.30 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 23:57.31 | dpkg | it has been said that unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 23:57.44 | streuner | look at (9) |
| 23:58.45 | paissad-hp | hi all, i would like to run a mpd client, but the matter is that does not work, i saw that the port 6600 needed for the deamon mpd is not on mode LISTEN paissad@paissad-server:~$ nmap localhost | pastebinit - |
| 23:58.45 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f3b6a913d |
| 23:58.57 | paissad-hp | how can i solve that ? |
| 23:59.02 | paissad-hp | thanks in advance for helping |
| 23:59.02 | flaccid | so how can i ask the bot what repos openvpn-auth-ldap is in |
| 23:59.25 | streuner | judd |
| 23:59.43 | streuner | judd versions openvn-auth-ldap |
| 23:59.43 | judd | streuner: openvn-auth-ldap -- |
| 23:59.53 | streuner | hm |
| 23:59.54 | kbrd | hmm, yeah i've had problems with the libgssapi-krb5 package in testing. that is also the first to cause the dpkg errors |
