| 00:00.12 | streuner | well, you get the idea... |
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| 00:00.35 | flaccid | huh sorry so what repos is this in for lenny ? |
| 00:01.06 | streuner | judd versions openpn-auth-ldap |
| 00:01.07 | judd | streuner: openpn-auth-ldap -- |
| 00:01.14 | streuner | judd versions openvpn-auth-ldap |
| 00:01.14 | judd | streuner: openvpn-auth-ldap -- sid: 2.0.3-1 squeeze: 2.0.3-1 |
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| 00:01.38 | purplepenguins | paissad-hp: are you running mpd on the same computer you're running the mpd client on? |
| 00:01.48 | flaccid | so what does that mean ? |
| 00:01.48 | streuner | flaccid: ^^^ see what judd told you |
| 00:01.59 | streuner | its not in lenny? |
| 00:02.00 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, yes, for 1st use |
| 00:02.00 | flaccid | what is squeeze ? |
| 00:02.04 | streuner | testing |
| 00:02.06 | flaccid | doesn't seem so |
| 00:02.10 | purplepenguins | !testing |
| 00:02.10 | dpkg | [testing] a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 00:02.26 | martin12345 | I would like to make a image for data recovery of my failing 120GB HDD. I have installed a separate 300GB HDD(/dev/sda1) for this into my desktop computer. Failing HDD has two partitions, but I am interested in 100GB one(/dev/sde2). Should I use simply "ddrescue -r3 /dev/sde2 /dev/sda1 logfile"? Or any other ideas, how to get most from the HDD? |
| 00:02.34 | flaccid | ah right |
| 00:02.38 | flaccid | thanks guys |
| 00:02.45 | purplepenguins | paissad-hp: are you sure that mpd is running? |
| 00:03.11 | flaccid | so where is the repos info for this squeeze to get a package from it from lenny ? |
| 00:03.17 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, yes ! |
| 00:03.33 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, i did --> ps ax | grep -i mpd | grep -v grep |
| 00:03.34 | purplepenguins | and it's configured to use port 6600? |
| 00:04.10 | purplepenguins | and then when you try opening to client it can't find mpd running on port 6600? |
| 00:04.10 | streuner | flaccid: well you are trying to get a package out of testing into stable? /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:04.16 | adb | paissad-hp, mpd client mast not be run on server .. |
| 00:04.22 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, here is the mpd.conf http://pastebin.com/f45f2e43d |
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| 00:04.59 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, adb actually, i want to create a webradio, but the matter is that does not work ! |
| 00:05.05 | mark7 | Is there a convenient way to obtain a list of all the unstable installed packages on a system? |
| 00:05.13 | streuner | no |
| 00:05.23 | mark7 | :-( Thanks! |
| 00:05.24 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, adb i tried to listen as well on localhost and web , but that does not work :-( |
| 00:05.38 | streuner | if you running such packages, you are usually out of luck then anyway :-P |
| 00:05.38 | flaccid | meh still dont' know the repos for squeeze |
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| 00:05.59 | streuner | flaccid: thats not that easy... |
| 00:06.18 | purplepenguins | you're connecting the mpd client locally right? |
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| 00:06.37 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, yes, i use mpc or sonata |
| 00:06.49 | streuner | flaccid: but just try /msg dpkg simple sid backport and use testing/squeeze for sources there |
| 00:07.25 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 00:07.51 | purplepenguins | and loopback is working right? |
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| 00:08.11 | flaccid | streuner: i don't thinkt hat helps.. |
| 00:08.23 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, paissad@paissad-server:~$ ps ax | grep mpd | grep -v grep | pastebinit - |
| 00:08.23 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f4d1461c |
| 00:08.42 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, nmap localhost | pastebinit - |
| 00:08.42 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f62c5dbef |
| 00:09.44 | NiveusLuna | I'M AN IDIOT |
| 00:10.08 | NiveusLuna | Of course my router isn't giving my tower an IP address after I gave it a new NIC. I have mac filtering set up on my router. |
| 00:10.09 | purplepenguins | also, i have mpd running and working fine, and nmap localhost doesn't show 6600 |
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| 00:10.19 | NiveusLuna | and I forgot to add the new MAC address. >_< |
| 00:10.24 | purplepenguins | so just because it doesn't show up there doesn't mean that it's not bound |
| 00:10.30 | purplepenguins | try netstat to see bound ports |
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| 00:11.09 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, i did that already, and i saw port 6600 |
| 00:11.13 | streuner | flaccid: i think you arent that wrong |
| 00:11.31 | streuner | flaccid: we need to know the whole story.. |
| 00:11.33 | flaccid | streuner: huh |
| 00:11.42 | flaccid | i just want to install this package, thats all |
| 00:11.58 | purplepenguins | so you saw 6600 on netstat and the client is still giving you a can't connect error? |
| 00:12.18 | streuner | flaccid: well, just use debian/control out of testing/unstable then |
| 00:12.37 | streuner | flaccid: in order to make a deb, that isnt hard |
| 00:12.41 | flaccid | streuner: and what is the source for that ?.. |
| 00:12.48 | flaccid | it already is a deb |
| 00:13.09 | streuner | for lenny? :-P |
| 00:13.23 | streuner | or third party? |
| 00:13.23 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, http://pastebin.com/m210c0da5 |
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| 00:13.59 | flaccid | streuner: wherever... its just a 1 file plugin for openvpn so i don't care where it is but this will save me compiling.. |
| 00:14.11 | streuner | uh |
| 00:14.21 | streuner | so you trust everyone |
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| 00:14.45 | streuner | that isnt a good idea, IMO |
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| 00:15.09 | streuner | there is Debian, but i wouldnt trust somebody else much |
| 00:15.13 | homekevin | I'm having a really hard time setting up my own APT repository. Is the layout documented anywhere? |
| 00:15.39 | flaccid | streuner: thats a decent point, but still not getting anywhere... i'll just compile it myself then |
| 00:15.50 | streuner | !own repo |
| 00:15.50 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro> |
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| 00:16.06 | streuner | good idea |
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| 00:17.19 | purplepenguins | paissad-hp: do you have lo up? |
| 00:17.24 | nightlite | can the 'up' line for interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces be used to run a python script or only sh scripts? if not (or I guess even if so), what would be the best way to run a script every time I connect to a specific wireless network |
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| 00:17.50 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, yes, i do |
| 00:17.55 | paissad-hp | shown by ifconfig command |
| 00:18.13 | paissad-hp | i have eth0 and lo |
| 00:18.19 | homekevin | streuner: I actually got about that far, but I used a layout more like the official repo. It all went bad when I tried to update the packages. Before that it seemed to be working. |
| 00:18.38 | purplepenguins | well, i'm not really sure what your issue is... |
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| 00:18.48 | homekevin | I just want to understand what files are supposed to be there and how they are used. |
| 00:19.29 | purplepenguins | try restarting the daemon and see what it does |
| 00:19.38 | purplepenguins | also set logging to debug and check the logs |
| 00:19.41 | adb | paissad-hp, (MPD) "The daemon is controlled through a client which need not run on the same computer mpd runs on" |
| 00:19.42 | homekevin | In general, I'm having a hard time finding documentation for APT other than end-user docs. |
| 00:19.45 | FabParma_ | what the right name for a pc with Linux that it is managed via web browser (not ssh) that is without monitor? I mean like to manage a router netger for instance |
| 00:19.54 | paissad-hp | adb, yes |
| 00:19.59 | paissad-hp | that's what i did |
| 00:20.29 | adb | " ..is controlled through a client" |
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| 00:21.17 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, adb it does work on local now, wtf, |
| 00:21.30 | purplepenguins | good |
| 00:21.41 | purplepenguins | i've had that happen sometimes |
| 00:21.50 | purplepenguins | the last time i had mpd problems it was due to not having lo up |
| 00:22.00 | purplepenguins | and it took me a long time to figure out that was the problem |
| 00:22.46 | streuner | homekevin: http://www.debian.org/doc/ should satisfy you enough ;-) |
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| 00:23.09 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, adb actually, i just had to uncomment alsa output to make the client work on local , i just uncommented shoutcast output because i just wanted to create a webradio |
| 00:23.16 | paissad-hp | hope you understant what i mean :-) |
| 00:23.23 | streuner | homekevin: if you read that all, you are prolly more than 100 years old :-P |
| 00:23.52 | paissad-hp | purplepenguins, just have to make the webradio work :-) .... here we go |
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| 00:29.34 | streuner | mentor: can you fix that connection? |
| 00:29.34 | ajavid | I have a sda1 = / and I want to make sdb3 = a mirror of this sda1 partition |
| 00:29.49 | ajavid | any ideas if there are software that already do this? or should I just dd? |
| 00:30.05 | mentor | streuner: I lack the power to stop the rain. |
| 00:30.07 | ajavid | its 5.2GB total right now, after having wiped tmp and other cache crap |
| 00:30.22 | streuner | mentor: hm |
| 00:30.34 | adb | paissad-hp, worked ? |
| 00:30.37 | nightlite | can the 'up' line for interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces be used to run a python script or only sh scripts? if not (or I guess even if so), what would be the best way to run a script every time I connect to a specific wireless network |
| 00:30.44 | mentor | Seems to be drying out now though |
| 00:31.07 | SparFux | In debian where should I put my script to setup iptables stuff ? |
| 00:31.15 | paissad-hp | adb, i ran paissad.homelinux.com:8000 from a URL, but that does not work yet |
| 00:31.20 | mentor | ifup/down |
| 00:32.04 | ajavid | also, what to exclude when cloning a filesystem / |
| 00:32.17 | ajavid | like /dev/, /proc, /sys ? |
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| 00:34.01 | nevyn | /tmp |
| 00:34.36 | streuner | !backuppc |
| 00:34.43 | ajavid | !what to backup |
| 00:34.43 | dpkg | A list of some of the things you should back up on your box is: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor this list to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf ... |
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| 00:34.53 | streuner | !info backuppc |
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| 00:35.17 | streuner | <dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:35.17 | ajavid | streuner, nice |
| 00:35.23 | ajavid | reading its description |
| 00:35.24 | dpkg | backuppc: (high-performance, enterprise-grade system for backing up PCs), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.1.0-6 (sid), Packaged size: 529 kB, Installed size: 2082 kB |
| 00:35.35 | streuner | ajavid: i would just use backuppc |
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| 00:35.41 | ajavid | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupPC |
| 00:35.41 | ajavid | lol |
| 00:35.45 | ajavid | first result on google |
| 00:35.53 | ajavid | for backuppc |
| 00:36.18 | streuner | apt-cache show backuppc |
| 00:36.20 | muhoo | is the root filesystem location embedded into the initrd? |
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| 00:36.26 | ajavid | 07:35 < ajavid> reading its description |
| 00:36.33 | flaccid | yeah because its the most popular distro in the world |
| 00:36.52 | muhoo | i've changed my /etc/fstab appropriately, but at boot time, error message that /sys and /dev can't be mounted on /root |
| 00:36.59 | muhoo | which looks like initrd doing crazy shit |
| 00:37.08 | muhoo | is a luddite from the old days |
| 00:37.20 | flaccid | lol they said rsync is a file transfer program for unix systems. its not. its one way file sync |
| 00:37.31 | muhoo | how can i coax the initrd into using the damned root fs i set up in /etc/fstab? |
| 00:37.38 | muhoo | ( /dev/sda2, in this case) |
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| 00:38.12 | flaccid | anyone know what configure: error: Objective C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check means when doing a configure for compile? |
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| 00:39.27 | purplepenguins | why did ubuntu get to be so popular anyway |
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| 00:39.48 | streuner | ask #ubuntu |
| 00:39.49 | flaccid | right place, right time |
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| 00:40.11 | NiveusLuna | http://pastebin.com/d7a1bd866 <-- how do I make this go away? It comes up whenever I use apt. |
| 00:40.14 | CrimsonKing | omg |
| 00:40.19 | CrimsonKing | operators here? |
| 00:40.31 | CrimsonKing | please anyone ban that [B]abyFaCe .. porn spam :c |
| 00:40.32 | muhoo | no love on initrd, eh? |
| 00:40.41 | streuner | CrimsonKing: a know thingie |
| 00:40.48 | flaccid | looks like i need a c++ compiler although i thought that came with build-essential. what package should i install ? |
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| 00:41.09 | zinx | Objective C is not C++, fwiw |
| 00:41.13 | streuner | CrimsonK: onjoin-spam? just "!ops <nick> <reason> |
| 00:41.19 | flaccid | zinx: what do i need |
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| 00:41.31 | NiveusLuna | g++ |
| 00:41.32 | zinx | perhaps many things. i do not know. |
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| 00:41.57 | zinx | 'gobjc' is the objective c compiler |
| 00:42.09 | flaccid | yeah sorry thats what someone on the net said, but yeah its clearly objective c obviously |
| 00:42.14 | streuner | !ops [B]abyFaCe -> onjoin-spam |
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| 00:42.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: streuner complains about: [B]abyFaCe -> onjoin-spam |
| 00:42.37 | flaccid | yeah gobjc is it, thanks zinx |
| 00:42.37 | streuner | thanks tomaw, hard work :-P |
| 00:42.41 | NiveusLuna | anyone know how to make perl quit bugging me about locale settings when I use apt? I'm assuming just setting the info will do, but I don't know how. |
| 00:43.22 | streuner | tomaw: looks to me like a .tr botnet... |
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| 00:44.44 | adb | muhoo, mkdir init , cd init/ , gzip -dc /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 | cpio -iumdv, Make the changes in the /init directory, then cpio/gzip the system; find . | bin/cpio -v -o -H newc | gzip -9 > /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 00:45.11 | flaccid | thanks for help again.. building now |
| 00:45.27 | flaccid | right so instead of make install, where are those instructions to create a .deb from the build again ? |
| 00:45.46 | streuner | !listvals fakeroot |
| 00:45.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fakeroot' by value (12): rebuild from debian source ;; kp that u tell me ;; dpkg-buildpackage ;; unsupported raid installs ;; realroot ;; sidiot ;; kp mantra ;; munge package ;; package recompile ;; quick build ;; acpi custom kernel one-liner ;; fakeroot xfs. |
| 00:45.59 | streuner | flaccid: ^^^ |
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| 00:46.31 | streuner | flaccid: just use /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 00:46.47 | SparFux | What is the big difference between debian linux kernel and the mainstream linux kernel linus torvalds keeps? |
| 00:47.01 | flaccid | streuner: yeah didn't know factoid name.. |
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| 00:48.22 | flaccid | streuner: hangon which factoid is it ? |
| 00:49.01 | streuner | just try some of them :-) |
| 00:49.46 | streuner | dpkg-buildpackage sound promising ;-) |
| 00:49.59 | streuner | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:49.59 | dpkg | hmm... dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. "aptitude install fakeroot devscripts dpkg-dev build-essential" and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. Ask me about <package recompile> <debian/rules> <source>. |
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| 00:50.28 | streuner | well, you need debian/rules, keep that in mind... |
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| 00:51.50 | flaccid | hmm |
| 00:53.02 | streuner | yes, just use a package out of testing/unstable |
| 00:53.25 | streuner | its easier, it should be enough |
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| 00:53.40 | flaccid | but where ? |
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| 00:54.21 | flaccid | i don't know the sources.list entry/repos/url .. |
| 00:55.04 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.36 | flaccid | right |
| 00:55.40 | flaccid | its probably deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 00:55.56 | adb | deb-src http://ftp.... |
| 00:56.16 | pbn | Hi, is it correct / official that in Debian testing one should use the 2.6.30 binary kernels ? |
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| 00:56.27 | flaccid | adb: yeah that factoid doesn't tell you it, nor does debian online doc. pretty slack.. |
| 00:56.32 | markybob | binary kernels....nice |
| 00:56.52 | markybob | pbn, anyway, yes. testing has 2.6.30 |
| 00:57.43 | muhoo | huh, weird. rsync doesn't copy over libs, especially not the stuff in /lib |
| 00:57.44 | pbn | markybob: thanks :) |
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| 00:58.10 | muhoo | adb: thanks! |
| 00:58.58 | pbn | markybob: by the way, do you, by any chance, know when nvidia-glx-ia32 will be in Debian testing ? :) |
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| 00:59.35 | markybob | pbn, probably never. testing is making a huge push into multiarch and ia32 stuff in general are getting phased out |
| 01:00.29 | pbn | markybob: that I know |
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| 01:01.00 | pbn | but right now 32-bit nvidia hardware acceleration is broken, because of ia 32 stuff |
| 01:01.23 | markybob | pbn, yeah. *shrug* i'm not the guy to ask. i use gpl drivers only |
| 01:02.51 | pbn | ah sorry markybob |
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| 01:03.24 | pbn | the new version of nvidia-glx-ia32 is in sid but not yet in testing... |
| 01:04.12 | ajavid | hi guys |
| 01:04.26 | ajavid | ffmpeg -f video4linux2 -s 320x240 -r 5 -i /dev/video0 -f m4v out.m4v <- works perfectly, however /dev/video0 does't show up in kopete or any IM programs |
| 01:04.29 | flaccid | muhoo: probably needs a param to follow symlinks or something |
| 01:04.54 | ajavid | Whats a good known software that works with webcam |
| 01:05.03 | markybob | ajavid, did you compile your own kernel? |
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| 01:05.21 | ryan__ | during boot I get "sis630_smbus""SIS630 comp. bus not detected, module not inserted." |
| 01:05.26 | ryan__ | im not sure what course of action to take |
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| 01:10.09 | ajavid | no |
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| 01:10.27 | ajavid | stock debian kernel .30 bpo, should have uvc, and it does, and it works... not a driver issue |
| 01:10.37 | ryan__ | meh nvm that seems to be the ISA bridge, dont need it anyway |
| 01:10.38 | ajavid | I think kopete in 3.5kde just sucks. |
| 01:10.41 | jvogel | hai |
| 01:10.45 | jvogel | how do i get the c man pages |
| 01:10.49 | jvogel | where do i find those in apt? |
| 01:10.53 | ajavid | now I launched kopete in kde4, lets see |
| 01:10.57 | jvogel | like 'man malloc' and stuff |
| 01:11.16 | ajavid | nope |
| 01:11.31 | ajavid | the /dev/video0 doesn't show up in kde4 kopete either |
| 01:11.50 | ajavid | luvcview works, ffmpeg dumps the webcam video, I can see my ugly self |
| 01:12.02 | ajavid | just wanna find a good working IM program that will work with this |
| 01:12.03 | Tramp | jvogel: manpages-dev |
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| 01:12.43 | nikkr | hi all |
| 01:13.17 | nikkr | how to make wget ignore robots |
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| 01:13.30 | sha1sum | Can anybody point me to a good SOCKS4/5 proxy server HOWTO? I'm on MetroPCS tether right now through my phone and they only allow direct connections on port 443, so I want to setup my Linode as a proxy. |
| 01:14.12 | sha1sum | I have been using various HTTPS tunnels and I'm hating it hehe |
| 01:15.01 | flaccid | why don't use just use squid |
| 01:15.04 | ryan__ | why not sure iptables and redirect the traffic |
| 01:15.07 | ryan__ | use* |
| 01:15.21 | sha1sum | flaccid: because I don't want to cache and I don't want just strictly HTTP proxy. |
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| 01:15.36 | flaccid | rightio |
| 01:15.38 | sha1sum | ryan__: redirect it to where? |
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| 01:15.50 | muhoo | is there a way to set an ethernet interface to use dhcp auto, but to have a backup ip address if the dhcp fails? |
| 01:15.59 | muhoo | i.e. so it doesn't just down the interface |
| 01:16.09 | flaccid | ryan__: whats the purpose of this ? |
| 01:16.27 | ryan__ | muhoo: maybe just setup another route with a higher metric |
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| 01:17.19 | ryan__ | flaccid: to redirct your traffic to 443 |
| 01:17.29 | muhoo | ryan__: route? |
| 01:17.36 | ryan__ | flaccid: just a shot in the dark, not sure if it will work for you |
| 01:17.43 | flaccid | why ? you can do that with a firewall |
| 01:17.45 | muhoo | ryan__: i was talking about when my eth0 comes up, or fails to |
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| 01:18.18 | flaccid | you don't want a proxy, but rather forwarding with a firewall |
| 01:18.22 | muhoo | which would mean i'm not on a net with a dhcp server, and i'd like to be able to get into the box in those cases via the net |
| 01:18.35 | muhoo | instead of having to plug a keyboard/monitor into it |
| 01:18.38 | flaccid | iptables should be able to do it. similar technique to creating a local transparent proxy |
| 01:18.58 | sha1sum | I want a server that I can set all protocols to use as a proxy on port 443. |
| 01:19.17 | sha1sum | From this machine that I'm on tethered to my phone |
| 01:19.49 | flaccid | there is also this http://www.samair.ru/proxy/socks.htm which you might be able to juse use one |
| 01:20.06 | flaccid | sha1sum: yeah what i said still applies.. |
| 01:20.52 | sha1sum | flaccid: yeah but squid won't be able to handle any protocol but HTTP right/ |
| 01:21.02 | flaccid | google also shows what socks servers you can get .. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=cGT&q=socks+proxy+debian&aq=f&oq=&aqi= |
| 01:21.20 | flaccid | sha1sum: yes thats right; im not suggesting squid |
| 01:22.08 | sha1sum | I'm confused lol |
| 01:22.53 | flaccid | you just set up a socks proxy and use a firewall/router to forward traffic to it |
| 01:23.07 | sha1sum | I have no problem getting the traffic to it. |
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| 01:23.24 | flaccid | well i don't see a problem |
| 01:23.25 | sha1sum | What I want is a good howto on setting up the proxy server. I want simple, transparent. |
| 01:23.45 | flaccid | ever heard of google ? |
| 01:23.56 | ryan__ | heh |
| 01:24.21 | sha1sum | Why do you think I came here? Because Google is feeding me bullsh... |
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| 01:25.26 | markybob | waits for a mama joke |
| 01:25.37 | superjoe | whose idea was it to switch amarok 1.5 with 2 in squeeze |
| 01:25.46 | superjoe | that was messed up, man |
| 01:25.51 | superjoe | amarok 1.5 > 2 |
| 01:25.55 | flaccid | so first result is http://blog.edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/dante_tunnel.shtml . that aint bullshit |
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| 01:27.25 | ryan__ | the apparently lost art of googling |
| 01:27.42 | superjoe | lmgtfy.com |
| 01:27.59 | superjoe | ryan__: ^^ solution to your problem |
| 01:28.11 | flaccid | 50% of support is googling for people |
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| 01:29.11 | jvogel | Tramp: thx |
| 01:29.20 | superjoe | flaccid: http://www.xkcd.com/627/ |
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| 01:29.54 | ryan__ | superjoe: lol |
| 01:30.10 | superjoe | isn't it great? :) |
| 01:30.11 | flaccid | thats good |
| 01:30.22 | flaccid | yeah im going to send it to my boss and VP |
| 01:30.42 | flaccid | heh im a backline support engineer. i think we should print it and put on the wall |
| 01:31.29 | arand | I'm trying to help a fellow who hopefully has access to /var/lib/dpkg , but have otherwise quite messed up the system, would it be possible, with this data to get a list of packages for reinstallation after reformat? |
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| 01:34.39 | flaccid | arand: no dpkg -l ? |
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| 01:36.01 | arand | flaccid: seemingly bash and a whole bunsh of other impotant stuff got bucketed in lost+found, so system is unbootable and proably very tricky to chroot... |
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| 01:37.44 | dondelelcaro | arand: yes. |
| 01:37.55 | dondelelcaro | arand: which filesystem is this, btw? |
| 01:38.08 | dondelelcaro | arand: and have you ruled out hard drive failure? |
| 01:38.19 | flaccid | its amazing what google can tell you.. |
| 01:39.21 | dondelelcaro | arand: but regardless, /var/lib/dpkg/status is the most important thing; you can get a reasonable setup by just running dpkg --rootdir /path/to/blah --get-selections |
| 01:40.26 | dondelelcaro | (you can also do similar things with aptitude and apt, but they require using -o options, which is quite a bit more complicated) |
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| 01:51.01 | initpid1 | is there a package made specifically to encrypt an internet connection from anyone (isp, wireless neighbours, etc..) ? |
| 01:51.31 | dondelelcaro | initpid1: what, like openvpn? |
| 01:51.59 | nevyn | initpid1: ipsec does this. |
| 01:52.01 | initpid1 | donde - haven't used that, can I run the whole thing on my computer or does it require a server module somewhere else? |
| 01:52.21 | ryan__________ | cant you do it with ssh to |
| 01:52.45 | dondelelcaro | initpid1: you just have one machine which is the server, and everything connects to it. |
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| 01:52.52 | initpid1 | i just want a general encryption |
| 01:52.54 | initpid1 | from anyone |
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| 01:53.09 | initpid1 | http,email,ftp,irc,etc |
| 01:53.17 | adb | ryan__________, do /nick ryan, thanks |
| 01:53.28 | xeon-enouf | adb: heh, really :-) |
| 01:53.31 | nevyn | initpid1: you want all connections to your system to be encrypted on the wire. without doing configuration of the remote end? |
| 01:53.45 | initpid1 | nevyn, yes |
| 01:53.54 | _2 | ok i need some way to test the wifi now that the card reports to be working |
| 01:54.21 | ryan____________ | this is nick oppression |
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| 01:54.43 | nevyn | initpid1: ipsec might be able to do this. I understand it has automatic encryption of tcp conections where both ends are capable |
| 01:55.00 | ajavid | lol |
| 01:55.02 | ryan____________ | lol |
| 01:55.02 | initpid1 | nevyn, thank you sir |
| 01:55.12 | ajavid | ryan____________, stop being annoying please. |
| 01:55.21 | xeon-enouf | dude, either that, or you face teh possibility of being /ig by many - but whatever, no big deal, do what you want |
| 01:55.36 | kbrd____________ | ignores xeon-enouf |
| 01:55.40 | ajavid | ryan____________, its not a good idea to annoy the people who give support here |
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| 01:56.10 | ryan____________ | ryan is in use |
| 01:56.21 | kbrd____________ | ajavid: you guys are the ones making a big deal about it, not ryan____________ |
| 01:56.24 | xeon-enouf | adb: i see atleast 2 for the 'box' ;-) |
| 01:56.25 | designs703 | has anyone here switched from apache mpm prefork to worker on a debian box? |
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| 01:56.26 | ajavid | please act maturely. |
| 01:56.49 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, chat |
| 01:57.32 | egoleo | hello is anyone running lenny with bind9? Stopping domain name service...: bind9rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refuse |
| 01:57.32 | egoleo | help me with this error? |
| 01:57.49 | ajavid | no idea about bind9 |
| 01:58.04 | zamaliphe | what dos this mean when i ping an ip from my debian server i get this erorr ( PING 41.235.195.60 \ ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted) |
| 01:58.34 | egoleo | it means ur card is disabled or |
| 01:58.45 | egoleo | or disconnected |
| 01:59.35 | egoleo | anyone with lenny bind9? |
| 01:59.57 | zamaliphe | egoleo, how to check for it ?? |
| 02:00.09 | egoleo | Stopping domain name service...: bind9rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refuse |
| 02:00.21 | egoleo | having this erroor |
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| 02:01.37 | _2 | zamaliphe means you can't do that as normal user try as superuser |
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| 02:01.58 | egoleo | i am in as super user |
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| 02:02.38 | ryan____________ | oy vey |
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| 02:04.13 | zamaliphe | what is the list of ip deny files that cane ristract acsess to the host |
| 02:04.29 | thrallie | I can't seem to get widescreen resolutions to work on my laptop, it has the Intel 965 chipset (X3100 graphics chipset). The resolutions I can select are 1024x768 and below and a 30hz refresh rate. I have the intel driver package installed and no matter what I do to the xorg.conf file it won't work |
| 02:04.36 | xeon-enouf | zamaliphe: ls -l `which ping` ; echo $PATH ; also ... grep -i selinux /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:04.40 | zamaliphe | when i ping the host i get time out but only from my ip |
| 02:05.01 | egoleo | do u have any firewall? |
| 02:05.21 | ryan____________ | zamaliphe: /etc/hosts.*? |
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| 02:07.16 | arand | dondelelcaro: flaccid: Many thanks for your help earlier on dpkg read-from-file, we've managed to extract a --get-selections out of it and hopefully reinstallation will work. |
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| 02:09.14 | xeon-enouf | ~$ sysctl -a | grep icmp (another WAG about ) |
| 02:09.40 | xeon-enouf | egoleo: is that when the service is restarting? |
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| 02:09.57 | egoleo | yes |
| 02:10.05 | egoleo | and it is given me that error |
| 02:10.10 | egoleo | any help? |
| 02:10.28 | xeon-enouf | egoleo: is there any reason it's being restarted? |
| 02:10.34 | thrallie | no matter what I do I can't get it to display 1280x800, it only is doing fullscreen resolutions. |
| 02:10.52 | egoleo | i just installed it |
| 02:11.01 | egoleo | and is not starting at all |
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| 02:13.19 | bernie_ | does any one here have any experience with wine |
| 02:14.08 | jpinx | yes - lots of people use wine |
| 02:14.12 | xeon-enouf | egoleo: well, 1st use ps to see if there's an instance already running, (try stop|start) - check netstat -tuap (for possible port being used (trying to figure what's wrong with your localhost address)) ; ls /sys/class/net |
| 02:14.12 | jpinx | !ask |
| 02:14.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 02:14.24 | xeon-enouf | egoleo: is that a VM of any kind? |
| 02:14.25 | bernie_ | i have a liscensed copy of autocad 2004 but dont hav a windows machine readilly availibe and would think it would be sweet to have autocad on linux |
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| 02:14.55 | jpinx | bernie_: maybe you should talk them in #winehq |
| 02:15.02 | bernie_ | i have never used it, just trying to get an honest opinion of how difficuilt it wuld be |
| 02:15.04 | designs703 | no apache people here? |
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| 02:15.31 | jpinx | designs703: try #apache |
| 02:16.05 | jpinx | bernie_: there is probably a # for CAD stuff too |
| 02:16.12 | ryan____________ | bernie_: should check the appdb at the winehq site |
| 02:16.13 | markybob | designs703, or #httpd |
| 02:16.21 | designs703 | I had a specific Debian question |
| 02:16.28 | jpinx | !ask |
| 02:16.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:16.34 | jpinx | designs703: ^^ |
| 02:16.36 | flaccid | arand: no problem heh i didn't really do anything but thanks :) |
| 02:16.38 | designs703 | I already did, but sure |
| 02:16.40 | designs703 | has anyone here switched from apache mpm prefork to worker on a debian box? |
| 02:17.00 | flaccid | designs703: yes and yes |
| 02:17.01 | markybob | that's not asking the real question... |
| 02:17.06 | markybob | thus the ask factoid |
| 02:17.16 | designs703 | it was a probing question :) |
| 02:17.28 | markybob | designs703, which is pointless and wastes time |
| 02:17.38 | jpinx | designs703: ask the real question |
| 02:17.43 | jpinx | stop messing around |
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| 02:18.36 | ajavid | hello |
| 02:18.43 | ajavid | can I ask a question about debian? |
| 02:18.47 | ryan____________ | things are getting hostile in #debian |
| 02:19.02 | ajavid | seriously, can I? |
| 02:19.08 | ryan____________ | ajavid: pls do |
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| 02:19.32 | ajavid | </sarcasm> |
| 02:19.56 | designs703 | I'm trying to swap prefork for worker. debian wants to remove mod_php to do so. if I just re-install that module, can I expect my sites to continue functioning as before? |
| 02:20.10 | ajavid | see now we get to the real problem |
| 02:20.12 | ajavid | :) |
| 02:20.41 | designs703 | ajavid: go to #debian for questions like those... |
| 02:20.51 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 02:21.05 | ShapeShifter499 | I just installed java for powerpc ubuntu and I can't get firefox to see the plugin, I tried symbolic linking the files to known firefox plugin directories, what else could I do? |
| 02:21.27 | ajavid | designs703, alright, I'll join in a minute, hang on. |
| 02:21.40 | designs703 | ajavid: don't let the door hit you |
| 02:21.49 | ajavid | ShapeShifter499, please go to #ubuntu |
| 02:21.54 | designs703 | ajavid: both ways, I suppose |
| 02:21.59 | ajavid | designs703, lol |
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| 02:22.21 | markybob | designs703, if you want php with worker, you'll need to use php5 fastcgi instead |
| 02:22.22 | jpinx | spins the revolving doors |
| 02:23.18 | designs703 | traps people in revolving doors |
| 02:23.29 | ShapeShifter499 | ajavid: all ready been there, and all ready been at #firefox |
| 02:23.31 | designs703 | markybob: sad face |
| 02:23.36 | markybob | designs703, then again, if you really care to not use prefork, you should probably be using lighttpd |
| 02:23.53 | designs703 | ShapeShifter499: much better luck at ubuntuforums |
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| 02:24.14 | designs703 | markybob: I host a bunch of client sites, so I don't have the same degree of flexibility |
| 02:24.22 | ajavid | ShapeShifter499, your problem is not #debian or Debian GNU/Linux related. Please ask for support in your distro's channel or go to a general support channel like ##linux |
| 02:24.35 | markybob | designs703, then you're better of staying with apache prefork |
| 02:24.38 | ShapeShifter499 | ok sorry |
| 02:24.42 | ajavid | ShapeShifter499, you said you are using Ubuntu on PowerPC, that is NOT debian. |
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| 02:24.58 | flaccid | designs703: so do you actually have a problem ? |
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| 02:25.15 | jnewt | is there a way to just add a hard drive and have it look like another is just bigger? i have a hard drive at 88% and would like to plan ahead, and don't really want to start a new one that i have to share / map / etc. |
| 02:25.26 | designs703 | flaccid: trying to tune apache a bit. seemed like switching to worker would be a good call |
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| 02:25.49 | markybob | designs703, just not happening with php without cgi. sorry |
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| 02:26.09 | designs703 | markybob: and a handful of sites my friend admins. most all of them require rewrite rules which I don't want to recreate for lighty/nginx |
| 02:26.28 | markybob | designs703, so stop thinking of switching |
| 02:26.38 | designs703 | markybob: I stopped a few minutes ago :) |
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| 02:28.52 | jpinx | jnewt: you can do a simple but clever bit of mounting |
| 02:28.54 | flaccid | well apache mpm works fine and is good. just note that mpm itk is discontinued and not considered secure and a good practice anymore |
| 02:29.19 | pacopil | online boxing game http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html |
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| 02:29.21 | jnewt | jpinx: any idea what i can search for to find more info? |
| 02:29.28 | jpinx | man mount ? |
| 02:30.00 | jnewt | jpinx: :) so not THAT clever.... thanks. |
| 02:30.26 | jpinx | jnewt: it depends on what you really want |
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| 02:31.13 | jnewt | jpinx: i just want to "extend" the size available to a few directories on one of my hard drives. |
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| 02:31.59 | jnewt | jpinx: is there a term for that? |
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| 02:33.02 | jnewt | i searched for extend and merge, no real info... |
| 02:33.31 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: LVM |
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| 02:33.39 | designs703 | flaccid: what's itk? |
| 02:33.52 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: lvm2 specifically |
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| 02:34.30 | jnewt | xeon-enouf: oh yeah, forgot about lvm...i don't even touch the server very often, probably been 6 months since i even thought about it... |
| 02:34.33 | flaccid | designs703: its on google |
| 02:35.02 | designs703 | flaccid: oh, I'd never heard of it before. I'm not dealing with itk |
| 02:35.11 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: take your new 2nd HDD, set *it* up as lvm2, then cp over your files, then re-add your old one to the VG/LV (once you) |
| 02:35.18 | designs703 | anyway, I'm focusing on tuning prefork now |
| 02:35.32 | xeon-enouf | (once you're sure everything is in order, and you wipe it out) |
| 02:35.43 | jnewt | xeon-enouf: ok, sounds like a plan. thanks. |
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| 02:36.28 | flaccid | designs703: it allows you to assign users to a vhost without having to do like suexec or whatever |
| 02:36.38 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: justdo thorough boot testing especially (on new drive,and setup), /prior/ to wiping old drive data |
| 02:37.16 | jnewt | boot testing, as in shutting down the machine? :0 |
| 02:37.34 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: on the new drive, for Lenny + lvm2, you'll want a debian kernel (and it's initrd == vital) and make a /boot partition on non-LVM partition |
| 02:37.54 | designs703 | is there a place I can read about Debian's crazy apache layout (I don't mean that necessarily as a pejorative)? |
| 02:38.01 | designs703 | in terms of conf files |
| 02:38.03 | xeon-enouf | then you have your grub install, and /etc/fstab settings to check |
| 02:38.48 | xeon-enouf | then i'd use either tar+gz or rsync -a to tranfer over the data |
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| 02:39.15 | designs703 | specifically, managing mods-available and mods-enabled. I'm not sure what's going on there |
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| 02:39.27 | jnewt | xeon-enouf, it's not the "operating system disk. |
| 02:39.43 | jnewt | it's just an add-on. |
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| 02:39.51 | jnewt | mounted under /media |
| 02:40.09 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: well - you'll need the OS to use LVM to use LVM ;-) |
| 02:40.51 | xeon-enouf | designs703: man a2enmod and a2ensites? |
| 02:41.16 | NiveusLuna | How do I change the locale in debian squeeze? dpkg yells at me whenever I use apt about the locale not being set. |
| 02:41.20 | xeon-enouf | designs703: docs in /usr/share/doc/a{2,pache2}/* ? |
| 02:41.33 | designs703 | xeon-enouf: thanks, those really help. |
| 02:41.41 | flaccid | designs703: once again, google.. |
| 02:41.46 | xeon-enouf | designs703: dpkg -L <pkgname> (maybe | grep doc) |
| 02:42.13 | designs703 | xeon-enouf: for some reason, possibly because I mainly deal with debian installations, I thought a2enmod were standard, but "as it is a Debian-specific script with the package." cleared that up from the man page |
| 02:42.22 | designs703 | *a2enmod and a2ensites |
| 02:42.55 | flaccid | yes and most decent sysadmins including me dislike debian's implementation of apache |
| 02:43.18 | designs703 | flaccid: you should see what plesk does :) |
| 02:43.25 | xeon-enouf | there's always httpd.apache.org (obviously non-Debian specific) |
| 02:43.26 | mogunus | flaccid: why? |
| 02:43.31 | designs703 | flaccid: they just sort of scatter everything though, no significant modifications |
| 02:43.45 | flaccid | designs703: i have seen it because i used to have it and yes plesk sux.. |
| 02:44.23 | flaccid | mogunus: debian renames the binaries and the config eg. httpd.conf is stupid. its almost a fork |
| 02:44.33 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: ok, an external disk? is it plugged in almost always? how many GiB capacity is it? |
| 02:44.54 | designs703 | do any of these look extraneous? I've only added php5 and wsgi (possible auth_digest) since installing apache a while back on this box. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/138465/ |
| 02:44.56 | flaccid | designs703: well its rendered from a databse and their custom include implementation is bad |
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| 02:45.18 | designs703 | flaccid: I have to admin one plesk machine, and I do it purely via SSH |
| 02:45.21 | NiveusLuna | ...am I muted or something? |
| 02:45.24 | mogunus | flaccid: that's fair, I can see that being annoying. (haven't yet used apache on debian) |
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| 02:45.44 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: perhaps just getting a much larger disk, or external storage array would be better ..otherwise - there's some messing about that you mentioned you wanted to stay away from with PATHs and bind mounts and symlinks |
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| 02:45.56 | designs703 | NiveusLuna: hello |
| 02:46.09 | flaccid | designs703: sure, but there is a lot of hard coding and bad implementations with plesk. the good old edit and overwrite when you change something in the web gui |
| 02:46.33 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: install locales pkg ; /msg dpkg locales |
| 02:46.52 | jnewt | xeon-enouf: it is 500gb now, shared via samba and the backup is all automated for certain directories via rsync, i just don't want to have to change all that. |
| 02:47.19 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: get a 1TB disk ;-) |
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| 02:47.52 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: then start rethinking your scalability strategy in the long run |
| 02:47.55 | NiveusLuna | thank you |
| 02:47.55 | CodeNinja | can I bg a process thats running through my user who is ssh'd into the server and disconnect my user but let the process continue running? |
| 02:48.19 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: can you stop it and restart it? |
| 02:48.27 | CodeNinja | uhm.... no |
| 02:48.33 | CodeNinja | I can Ctrl+Z and pause it |
| 02:48.39 | CodeNinja | but I can't stop and restart.. |
| 02:48.49 | jnewt | xeon-enouf, that's what i am trying to do now, it doesn't seem like a good strategy to just get a bigger disk everytime you run out, and then have no use for the perfectly good 500gb you have... |
| 02:48.59 | xeon-enouf | you can do a disown type thing, but you won't be able to reconnect once you do |
| 02:49.08 | CodeNinja | thats fine |
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| 02:49.18 | CodeNinja | I don't need to, it will do its thing and exit when its done |
| 02:49.24 | designs703 | flaccid: thankfully I'm the sole admin at my job :) |
| 02:49.29 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: i can think of many uses for a .5TB HDD ;-) |
| 02:49.32 | CodeNinja | xeon-enouf: can you give me an example? |
| 02:49.34 | designs703 | flaccid: though I'll have to document it when I leave |
| 02:49.38 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: one sec |
| 02:49.40 | CodeNinja | sure |
| 02:49.44 | flaccid | designs703: get rid of plesk |
| 02:50.50 | clearscreen | CodeNinja: use screen |
| 02:50.53 | designs703 | flaccid: I really should tell the owner it's time to move to a linode. the plesk box is slow as hell |
| 02:51.12 | CodeNinja | clearscreen: the process is already running |
| 02:51.23 | clearscreen | oh.. then no :) |
| 02:51.26 | CodeNinja | :) |
| 02:51.32 | designs703 | flaccid: but I've got higher priorities and it would seem frivolous right now, you know how it is |
| 02:52.10 | flaccid | designs703: yeah or amazon ec2. i work for rightscale. |
| 02:52.32 | designs703 | flaccid: I did a pretty sizable deployment on EC2 before, but you need some manpower to do it right I think |
| 02:52.43 | CodeNinja | amazon s3 and ec2 are interesting |
| 02:52.48 | xeon-enouf | wow; mywiki.wooledge.org/ProcessManagement is down/dead? |
| 02:52.55 | designs703 | flaccid: it was a good experience though. this was at my last job, and I delivered a 20k budget for $500 |
| 02:53.08 | flaccid | designs703: if you need management/scaling, thats what rightscale is for .. |
| 02:53.11 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: google bash background disown |
| 02:53.12 | designs703 | no promotion or thanks, hence the new job :) |
| 02:53.18 | CodeNinja | xeon-enouf: thanks |
| 02:53.21 | flaccid | designs703: yeah the cloud is going to reduce costs even further |
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| 02:53.34 | flaccid | yeah gotta love that.. |
| 02:53.47 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: see topic of #bash |
| 02:53.53 | designs703 | flaccid: I'm curious about how you guys manage EBS. that seemed to be the least flexible aspect because it must be mounted from within the instance |
| 02:54.15 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: ok - will do - thanks |
| 02:54.37 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: i hope they're temporary ;-) |
| 02:55.01 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: otherwise, next time use screen, or dtach.sourceforge.net |
| 02:55.03 | flaccid | designs703: yep RS manages EBS volumes very well. mysql and ebs is a core point to our business i guess you can say |
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| 02:55.21 | CodeNinja | xeon-enouf: is dtach more usable than screen? I had many problems with screen |
| 02:55.22 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: hopefully after the WE it will be fixed |
| 02:55.40 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: it's less full-featured |
| 02:55.54 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: designed primarily for detaching/attaching |
| 02:55.55 | designs703 | flaccid: are you allowed to disclose how you manage 'em? :) |
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| 02:56.10 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: go read about it ;-) |
| 02:56.14 | CodeNinja | xeon-enouf: with disown, do I need to bg first then disown? |
| 02:56.29 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: i believe so .. i forget offhans |
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| 02:59.34 | CodeNinja | xeon-enouf: I can't get disown to work :S |
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| 03:00.54 | flaccid | designs703: define manage ? |
| 03:01.22 | flaccid | its not secret that its obviously a web management platform and we use scripts, typically ruby to do the tasks |
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| 03:02.12 | designs703 | flaccid: yea, that makes sense. I think I'm too far removed from that project to have clear questions on it |
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| 03:03.58 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: now i'm seeing you might've needed to start the command with nohup .. uff... try 'help disown' |
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| 03:04.18 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: it seems google has been preloaded with weenie clickers searching for similar info (IOW, the 1st 3 pages are crap, if not PDFs) |
| 03:04.44 | clearscreen | just a quick question, I recently reinstalled debian and backed up my home folder.. copied it back but now everytime I boot it whines about some drmc(?) file and about rights, everything works just fine though.. do I still have to chown/chmod some stuff? |
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| 03:06.54 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: a ~/.dmrc ? |
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| 03:07.23 | clearscreen | xeon-enouf: yes |
| 03:07.30 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: i think that's a DE related file/dir ... which contains a DE entry of sorts - sounds ubuntu-ish, though i've seen that file/dir on Debian |
| 03:07.53 | clearscreen | I can guarantee you that I'm running debian :D |
| 03:08.16 | xeon-enouf | Desktop Manager 'rc' file - have you altered yuor defautl DE? (say from GNome->KDE ?) no idea what should be there, if anything |
| 03:08.27 | clearscreen | everything works just fine though, just an annoying popup message complaining about rights on that file. |
| 03:08.28 | xeon-enouf | google the sucker |
| 03:08.38 | xeon-enouf | or ask in your DE related channel |
| 03:08.39 | clearscreen | all I did was copy over a home folder from a previous install |
| 03:09.05 | xeon-enouf | something changed - cp over doesn't mean much with out integrity checking |
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| 03:10.41 | ryan____________ | could be missing .config files, dosen't cp only copy what it can see(which wouldn't include hidden files) unless you specify the hidden file |
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| 03:10.41 | fanuc98 | Xeon-emouf I have a question for you.....Sorry to bother you. |
| 03:10.57 | xeon-enouf | ryan____________: exact command shown .. might help as a a start ;-) |
| 03:11.10 | fanuc98 | Xeon-enouf, even....sorry. |
| 03:11.20 | xeon-enouf | fanuc98: ask the channel please - if i can help, i'll try |
| 03:12.11 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: what's ls -l say about it? compare with others' ; google ;-) |
| 03:12.30 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: stat is better, but.. |
| 03:12.36 | CodeNinja | xeon-enouf: is there a way I can go to my server's physical console and take that process from ssh to that console? |
| 03:13.14 | clearscreen | xeon-enouf: I'll look up the exact error message, I'm the file's owner and have all rights on it |
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| 03:14.15 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: i don't think so .. those processes are isolated, IINM ... i never tried that - iahve thought about doing similar with X and desktop things through ssh connections and told about x11vnc for that (when doing ssh -X ,,,) |
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| 03:15.25 | neoice | so I have slapd set up on 2 different hosts, but I cannot for the life of me get 'rootpw' working on Lenny. |
| 03:15.26 | zeroConf | i just typed format c: onto my linux box i was so pissed off with it |
| 03:15.28 | zeroConf | wicked awsome day |
| 03:15.30 | zeroConf | :/ |
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| 03:17.06 | CodeNinja | xeon-enouf: this sucks :( |
| 03:17.09 | zeroConf | can someone tell me how to remove courier-imap delete all the config files and reinstall it clean ? |
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| 03:17.26 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: if windows is involved, i'd expect that :-P |
| 03:17.42 | CodeNinja | its not |
| 03:17.53 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: what exactly is the issue? |
| 03:18.05 | zeroConf | trys apt-get install -f and then ill try the removes again :/ |
| 03:18.34 | xeon-enouf | zeroConf: start perhaps with a dpkg -l \*courier\* | grep ^.i to list all installed pkgs with that name |
| 03:19.03 | xeon-enouf | zeroConf: that's to --fix-broken |
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| 03:19.17 | CodeNinja | xeon-enouf: I ssh'd into my server to start a process for database generation (which takes a LONG time), its been running for 24 hours and probably has another 48 to go, didn't think about it when I started and now I want to shut down my laptop and go game, but if I kill the process I have to start over |
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| 03:19.37 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: yes ..hindsight ;-) |
| 03:20.00 | xeon-enouf | you live., you learn .. do it right this time ;-) |
| 03:20.32 | justin | CodeNinja: there are ways to fix that |
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| 03:20.46 | boingboing | hi guys |
| 03:21.17 | boingboing | i see my card listed via lspci, and lsmod shows the 8129too module loaded but i cannot figure out which eth device it is |
| 03:21.18 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: basically your client is connected to the sshd daemon on server - i don't know of anyway (offhand) of taking control of said process from within server directly |
| 03:21.30 | boingboing | how do i find out what eth device debian mounted the card as? |
| 03:21.38 | justin | boingboing: dmesg? |
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| 03:21.49 | xeon-enouf | boingboing: ls /sys/class/net |
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| 03:22.02 | xeon-enouf | boingboing: it doesn't 'mount' ifaces |
| 03:22.03 | CodeNinja | :( |
| 03:22.08 | boingboing | danke |
| 03:22.19 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: others know more - keep inquiring |
| 03:22.45 | boingboing | that was it, danke |
| 03:22.48 | xeon-enouf | boingboing: if using testing, lspci -k will show kernel modules in use (for PCI NICs) |
| 03:22.58 | justin | CodeNinja: test this with another process, but I think control-z, then bg, then 'disown' will do what you want |
| 03:23.44 | xeon-enouf | might want -h there; not sure (help disown) |
| 03:24.01 | boingboing | thats awesome, muchly appreciated |
| 03:25.53 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: there's a sicko util called 'retty' that you _might_ use for a one-off goofy bind like you seem to be in ;-) |
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| 03:29.50 | designs703 | k later everyone |
| 03:29.54 | designs703 | thanks for the apache advice |
| 03:30.30 | ajavid | justin, did you get my previous hilight of your nick |
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| 03:30.46 | CodeNinja | shit |
| 03:30.50 | CodeNinja | xeon-enouf: |
| 03:30.57 | CodeNinja | it crashed my process |
| 03:31.02 | justin | ajavid: yeah |
| 03:31.07 | CodeNinja | well... guess I get to start that again from the server :S |
| 03:31.08 | ajavid | justin, after MANY hours of experimentation, that was the exact sequence of xrandr settings which work correctly 100%, otherwise there is absolutely NO WAY |
| 03:31.19 | justin | ajavid: i think you could do without #5 or something |
| 03:31.22 | ajavid | justin, isn't that the srangest thing |
| 03:31.26 | justin | ajavid: but otherwise it makes sense |
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| 03:31.33 | ajavid | hm |
| 03:31.34 | ajavid | justin, how? |
| 03:31.39 | ajavid | justin, it makes no sense to me |
| 03:31.41 | justin | well i think it was 5... |
| 03:32.05 | justin | without that one you were basically saying 1 was right of 0 and 0 was left of 1 |
| 03:32.15 | ajavid | i'll paste it |
| 03:32.16 | justin | which while redundant, makes sense |
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| 03:33.15 | ajavid | justin, xrandr --output DVI-1 --off; xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto --left-of DVI-1; xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --left-of DVI-0; xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --right-of DVI-0; |
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| 03:34.16 | tux^verdreifelt | hmm.. using debian squeeze, i wonder why the superblock tends to have a future timestamp recently. ideas, anyone? |
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| 03:34.38 | ajavid | tux^verdreifelt, check the bugtracker |
| 03:35.06 | tux^verdreifelt | where exactly? :) |
| 03:35.17 | ajavid | e2fsprogs maybe? |
| 03:35.34 | tux^verdreifelt | dunno.. that's why i ask |
| 03:35.37 | ajavid | its a good starting point at least |
| 03:36.57 | neoice | so 'dpkg-reconfigure slapd' doesnt appear to change the admin password... and the 'rootpw' directive doesnt appear to work. where should I start debugging? is this a known issue? |
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| 03:41.43 | sepult | which package does ldconfig belong to ? |
| 03:42.00 | sepult | dpkg is complaining that ldconfig was not on the path of user root |
| 03:42.00 | dpkg | sepult: I give up, what is it? |
| 03:42.13 | sepult | , ldconfig |
| 03:42.18 | sepult | ,ldconfig |
| 03:42.33 | sepult | dpkg tell me about ldconfig |
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| 03:43.48 | tux^verdreifelt | ajavid: you seem to be right; at least my problem is similar to the one posted in 2005 |
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| 03:44.04 | tux^verdreifelt | after midnight it differs one hour (or something) |
| 03:44.14 | flaccid | see you guys around |
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| 03:51.18 | pollux_ | hi all |
| 03:51.30 | pollux_ | i'm looking for the xen linux image package on debian sid and i cannot find it |
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| 03:57.01 | superlinux | hi all |
| 03:57.59 | superlinux | my friend is noticing linux being slower than windows when downloading a file |
| 03:58.15 | superlinux | so what would be the problem? |
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| 04:00.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tramp complains about: Relay spams onjoin |
| 04:00.29 | superlinux | allo?! |
| 04:00.40 | Tramp | is a2 only working on trigger? |
| 04:00.58 | liable | i'm not sure wth that bot is supposed to do |
| 04:01.23 | superlinux | guys? plz? can you help me |
| 04:01.26 | superlinux | my friend is noticing linux being slower than windows when downloading a file |
| 04:01.28 | superlinux | so what would be the problem? |
| 04:01.28 | Tramp | well, detecting onjoin-spam (afaik) but he didn't check for 10 minutes |
| 04:03.10 | ajavid | I found out why |
| 04:04.14 | ajavid | Recent versions of Qt 4 use an approach called "windowless widgets". In Qt 3, every widget actually was a window on the X server; with windowless widgets, there's only a top-level window, and Qt manages the widgets itself. I don't know for sure, but the windowed widgets might be more taxing on the whole compositing shebang. |
| 04:04.47 | ajavid | thats why using kwin4.3.1 on kde3.5.10 makes resizing/moving windows laggy/slowly drawing |
| 04:05.32 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: from where using what? |
| 04:05.53 | superlinux | dondelelcaro, he is say that in general |
| 04:06.06 | superlinux | like he used the same laptop |
| 04:06.07 | nsadmin | superlinux: there could be about 97823497234987234897238947892347892374892374897234 different problems that match what you say. send your friend here or to another help channel |
| 04:06.31 | superlinux | nsadmin, i will have to translate |
| 04:06.38 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: well, that's not enough information; in general, you should be getting speeds at near line speeds, assumming you don't have other issues. |
| 04:06.38 | superlinux | he is week in english |
| 04:06.56 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: if he's using a download accelerator or something in windows, then he's not making a reasonable comparison. |
| 04:06.56 | nsadmin | and his native lang is? |
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| 04:07.05 | superlinux | look what he told me |
| 04:07.11 | superlinux | nsadmin, we are arabs |
| 04:08.03 | superlinux | but the issue is that he has windows and linux dual booting |
| 04:08.13 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: windows is much slower than linux when d/l for me |
| 04:08.20 | superlinux | now same link and same laptop |
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| 04:08.49 | nsadmin | this after how many attempts? |
| 04:08.59 | superlinux | xeon-enouf, is there any problem with the driver written for Realteck? |
| 04:09.10 | superlinux | this one?: |
| 04:09.21 | superlinux | Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E P |
| 04:09.28 | superlinux | this is what he has |
| 04:09.30 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: i don't know, i don' have realtek NICs |
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| 04:10.14 | nsadmin | give the whole line given by lspci -nn |
| 04:10.21 | ThisMachineKills | How to install debian without having CD-Room/Disk on key ?? |
| 04:10.37 | nsadmin | ThisMachineKills: you repeated |
| 04:11.02 | ThisMachineKills | Sorry |
| 04:11.11 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: i recall something about competing modules for certain realtek NICs, rt8139too vs rt8139cp |
| 04:11.21 | pl4yer0ne | You coulod try a unix mind meld with your machine |
| 04:11.28 | nsadmin | read the install guide for different ways to install |
| 04:11.38 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: sometimes, both were being loaded - but it was mostlya *buntu issue IIRC |
| 04:12.17 | superlinux | aha |
| 04:12.23 | ThisMachineKills | hey? |
| 04:12.26 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: sorry, remove the 'rt' from module names |
| 04:12.36 | nsadmin | ThisMachineKills read the install guide for different ways to install |
| 04:12.48 | ThisMachineKills | Link ? |
| 04:12.50 | superlinux | so you think i I should unload the modules. and then try with one of them? |
| 04:13.02 | superlinux | xeon-enouf, isn't? |
| 04:13.03 | nsadmin | http://www.google.com |
| 04:13.10 | justin | ThisMachineKills: if the box has windows on it now you can try the goodbye microsoft site |
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| 04:13.39 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: lspci -nn ; lspci -k ; lsmod ; dmesg outputs should help determine |
| 04:13.53 | superlinux | true |
| 04:14.03 | ajavid | !debian.exe |
| 04:14.03 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 04:16.05 | lafrance | no win64 ? |
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| 04:16.45 | xeon-enouf | judd: pciid 10ec:8136 |
| 04:16.46 | judd | xeon-enouf: [10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136 |
| 04:16.53 | ThisMachineKills | !X |
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| 04:19.28 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: there (see what judd said), so the 8139{cp,too} issue doesn't apply - but there are bugs for *your* r8169 |
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| 04:29.42 | ajavid | hm |
| 04:29.59 | ajavid | xorg sucks man. only 1 server at a time can have 3d accel |
| 04:30.00 | ajavid | :( |
| 04:30.33 | ajavid | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium3D <- when?!! :( |
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| 04:30.59 | ajavid | its supposed to be int he code now I wonder wher ein debian it is |
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| 04:31.11 | ajavid | The first Mesa3D release including Gallium3D was version 7.5 on 17 July 2009. <- experimental perhaps? |
| 04:31.21 | ajavid | i go check |
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| 04:35.26 | HellMind | Which libs I need to put in my chroot environment to be able to "resolve" |
| 04:35.30 | HellMind | ? |
| 04:35.39 | ajavid | resolv what? |
| 04:35.56 | ajavid | HellMind, networking? just copy /etc/hosts to the chroot |
| 04:36.36 | mns | Anyone have e Netgear WNR2000 wireless router that they've got working as a wireless access point ? |
| 04:36.59 | HellMind | Maybe libresolv |
| 04:37.16 | HellMind | resolve something unresolved like a host |
| 04:37.24 | HellMind | im not talking about "localhost" |
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| 04:37.39 | superjoe | ok seriously, whose decision was it to switch amarok 1.4 to amarok 2 in squeze |
| 04:37.42 | superjoe | *squeeze |
| 04:37.52 | superjoe | because you may think that was an upgrade |
| 04:37.58 | superjoe | but it most certainly was a downgrade |
| 04:38.25 | gh0st3r | i got a 256MB VPS server, thats a LAMP server running wordpress... the 5 or so apache processes are only using about 7% of the memory each, i cant see anything else in top or ps that is using all the memory, but free shows no memory left, any ideas on how to find what it is? |
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| 04:40.56 | justin | gh0st3r: pastebin your free output |
| 04:41.29 | ajavid | gh0st3r, i think you might be confusing free vs cached |
| 04:42.33 | HellMind | Which libs I need to put in my chroot environment to be able to "resolve"? |
| 04:42.49 | gh0st3r | http://pastebin.com/m25fafc7 |
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| 04:53.59 | xeon-enouf | nice, no swap - heh |
| 04:54.02 | xeon-enouf | good job |
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| 04:56.52 | x802 | how to tell gnome to resize all 4 windows, so it fit nicely on my screen, as 4 regions? |
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| 04:57.23 | xeon-enouf | tiled WM? /msg dpkg gnome ? |
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| 05:00.58 | xrfang | hello, could you please recommend a search tool similar to goolge desktop, but allow any computer in LAN to access the search page? |
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| 05:05.52 | superlinux | xeon-enouf, bro! it looks like he is using a different driver. it works but not correct |
| 05:06.28 | apostle | I have come across OpenErp.....are there any other projects I should look into? |
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| 05:06.38 | superlinux | just for the info. he should be using the r8101* module |
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| 05:08.34 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: what? |
| 05:09.06 | superlinux | xeon-enouf, my friend is using a different driver for his card |
| 05:09.17 | xeon-enouf | ERROR: modinfo: could not find module r8101 |
| 05:09.29 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: there is no r8101 |
| 05:09.30 | superlinux | xeon-enouf, this has to be added |
| 05:09.34 | superlinux | later |
| 05:09.37 | superlinux | it's new |
| 05:09.38 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: what? |
| 05:10.03 | xeon-enouf | i'm on .30 - how friggin new is it? |
| 05:10.04 | superlinux | realtek issued this in july this year |
| 05:10.13 | xeon-enouf | and it sucks ass? |
| 05:10.31 | superlinux | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=42324 |
| 05:11.02 | xeon-enouf | tell them to use a *working* kernel module |
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| 05:14.52 | clearscreen | just a question out of curiosity.. where does module-assistant grab its modules from? i dont suspect it uses aptitude to grab sources - it finds modules that I cannot find through apt |
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| 05:16.39 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: there are sooo many things wrong with that forum post ... lmap |
| 05:16.46 | xeon-enouf | lmao* |
| 05:17.16 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: m-a builds modules |
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| 05:19.00 | clearscreen | xeon-enouf: yeah, but where does it grab its sources from? does it have its own kind of repository or does it use apt to grab em |
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| 05:19.05 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: maybe you want modprobe -l |
| 05:19.27 | xeon-enouf | it uses libapt AFAIK |
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| 05:19.58 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: /msg dpkg deb-src |
| 05:20.38 | xeon-enouf | !why apt-get |
| 05:20.41 | xeon-enouf | !why apt |
| 05:20.48 | CodeNinja | !ping |
| 05:20.48 | dpkg | Yes, codeninja, you are online. |
| 05:20.51 | xeon-enouf | hrm... |
| 05:20.58 | CodeNinja | euch, 4 seconds |
| 05:21.23 | xeon-enouf | last i heard aptitude has no 'apt-get source ... ' equiv |
| 05:21.36 | clearscreen | I just wanted to know what m-a used to grab its module sources, now I know ;) |
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| 05:21.48 | clearscreen | uses* |
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| 05:23.00 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: "it finds modules that I cannot find through apt" would imply you had yet to understand the differeneces between deb and deb-src lines in sources.list |
| 05:23.23 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: apt-cache showsrc ... ;-) |
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| 05:23.40 | ajavid | what the hell was that? |
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| 05:23.45 | ajavid | what happened!? |
| 05:23.47 | superlinux | xeon-enouf, at least i compiled |
| 05:24.23 | ajavid | did my irc go crazy in here? my terminal went numbnuts and typed reset and even that did nothing... |
| 05:24.29 | ajavid | wth |
| 05:24.41 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: tab-completion is your friend (and don't forget to update prior) |
| 05:25.11 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: we've decided to flush louisiana |
| 05:25.13 | xeon-enouf | :-P |
| 05:26.25 | clearscreen | xeon-enouf: oh I know the difference, its just that you can for example m-a a-i rt2500, when no such package exists in the repo... but it just seems m-a automatically appends -source, it just confused me that's all :P |
| 05:26.54 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: superlinux wtf is the purpose of installing bison and flex there? and all 'uname -r' should be `uname -r` .. and .. and |
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| 05:27.23 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: yes, m-a == smartypants :-P |
| 05:28.29 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: modules are already (came with) in your linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 05:28.35 | xeon-enouf | ~$ modinfo rt2500pci |
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| 05:29.00 | xeon-enouf | man modprobe |
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| 05:29.46 | sintack | hello. i'm attempting at installing debian off a netinst cd (generated this week), but it fails at the step where it installs grub. it says something about "command cmp not found"... i was wondering if this is a known problem. |
| 05:29.59 | xeon-enouf | ~$ apt-cache showsrc rt2500 |
| 05:30.07 | xeon-enouf | Binary: rt2500-source |
| 05:30.18 | clearscreen | xeon-enouf: yeah, thats why I said 'just out of curiosity' before.. I dont actually need to install rt2500 (which are the legacy rt2500 drivers) |
| 05:30.19 | xeon-enouf | clearscreen: got it? |
| 05:30.36 | clearscreen | was just playing around :P |
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| 05:30.53 | xeon-enouf | is just teaching around :-) |
| 05:31.05 | clearscreen | then yeah, I got it :D |
| 05:31.06 | superlinux | xeon-enouf, i know!! for God's I know! it just worked with me with the syntactical fixes and the rest |
| 05:31.11 | superlinux | it's working |
| 05:31.32 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: so .. the slow d/l speeds were due to ________ ??? |
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| 05:36.01 | xeon-enouf | sintack: check the BTS? |
| 05:36.24 | xeon-enouf | sintack: you mean testing/squeeze installer? |
| 05:36.54 | xeon-enouf | NAME |
| 05:36.55 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:37.44 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.49 | sintack | xeon-enouf: yes, testing |
| 05:37.54 | sintack | ah, thanks for that info |
| 05:38.02 | sintack | i'm checking bts now |
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| 05:38.49 | alinux | hi I did change my default keyboard language to arabic..and restarted..now I can not logon since the keyboard is typing in arabic so I can not type my username and pwd...I did try to boot into single user mode but the problem is I can not type in any commands since arabic letters are being displayed...GUI is GNOME |
| 05:39.20 | xeon-enouf | alinux: boot a livecd and chroot into your system |
| 05:39.55 | alinux | xeon-enouf, no other solution ? |
| 05:40.07 | ultralazer | ctrl+alt+f1 might take you out of the graphical user interface. if the console keyboard setting is different you may be able to type there |
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| 05:40.17 | xeon-enouf | probably |
| 05:40.33 | xeon-enouf | but i gave the 1st one i thought og |
| 05:40.36 | xeon-enouf | of* |
| 05:40.51 | ultralazer | heh. ehm. type ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to gui |
| 05:40.54 | ultralazer | oops |
| 05:41.07 | xeon-enouf | i don't even pay attention to things like "GUI is gnome" |
| 05:41.30 | xeon-enouf | since single mode boot + root passwd will bring you to TTY1 |
| 05:42.00 | alinux | xeon-enouf, try but it types in arabic as well |
| 05:42.04 | xeon-enouf | boot using init=/bin/sh if needed |
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| 05:42.21 | xeon-enouf | then your console is screwed as well |
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| 05:43.03 | xeon-enouf | IIRC, a dpkg-reconfigure console-* allows 4 separate settings that affect alteration of keymapping |
| 05:43.12 | xeon-enouf | !keymap |
| 05:43.12 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 05:43.37 | xeon-enouf | might be console-setup though .. too .. |
| 05:45.09 | xeon-enouf | console-data it is ; http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m76387366 |
| 05:46.35 | xeon-enouf | for X, 'setxbmap us' just to get into your DE and alter it's settings |
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| 05:59.37 | shoebox | there's more: (EE) fglrx(0): firegl_SetSuspendResumeState FAILED -9. |
| 05:59.38 | shoebox | (EE) fglrx(0): firegl_GetSuspendResumeState FAILED -9. |
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| 06:00.11 | ajavid | !remove gnome |
| 06:00.11 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
| 06:02.05 | ajavid | aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* |
| 06:02.10 | ajavid | oops |
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| 06:04.24 | ajavid | whats the name of some minimal application in X that can show the 'debian' menu of the 'menu' package? |
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| 06:06.11 | nsadmin | first off there is menu |
| 06:06.39 | nsadmin | which is the storage for the menu |
| 06:06.40 | ajavid | no I mean in wm's that don't show the menu |
| 06:06.47 | ajavid | I'm trying to ratmenu |
| 06:06.54 | ajavid | there is deskmenu on my list |
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| 06:07.40 | nsadmin | oh I see... so you want a stand-alone x client that does a menu and can read it from the menu package |
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| 06:08.33 | ajavid | yes |
| 06:08.40 | ajavid | like a menu based app launcher |
| 06:08.49 | ajavid | I'm trying to setup a minimal X |
| 06:08.52 | nsadmin | is there something close? |
| 06:09.12 | nsadmin | also have you considered tcl/tk as a way to script an x client? |
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| 06:09.26 | jbAU | ack - is anyone else having trouble with cyrreconstruct in etch ? |
| 06:10.04 | nsadmin | jbAU: better source of info for questions like that are stored in the bts |
| 06:10.05 | ajavid | I don't want to script one |
| 06:10.15 | ajavid | I'm sure there has to be a minimal app launcher that uses the stuff from menu package |
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| 06:11.08 | nsadmin | with the bazillions of packages in debian, I'd guess the same... but I don't know of anything specific |
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| 06:11.31 | nsadmin | maybe the maint for menu does |
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| 06:21.14 | ajavid | hm |
| 06:21.20 | ajavid | there is lxpanel |
| 06:21.33 | ajavid | you can configure it to remove everything off of it, exept the menu |
| 06:21.35 | ajavid | lol |
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| 06:24.55 | ajavid | nsadmin, lxpanel, 1% width and top left alignment |
| 06:25.00 | ajavid | lol, thats the best i could do |
| 06:25.26 | ajavid | beautiful, now I have a sid system chrooted and exported display as 0 with a menu launcher |
| 06:25.39 | mhymn | !ops Supergirl``` |
| 06:25.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: mhymn complains about: Supergirl``` |
| 06:25.40 | ajavid | and underneath a stable debian with kde 3.5.10 |
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| 06:27.42 | zeroConf | anyone know why i would be getting about 300B/s from volatile.debian.org ? |
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| 06:28.26 | ajavid | downloading lots of porn? |
| 06:28.33 | ajavid | ... who knows |
| 06:28.38 | zeroConf | not downloading anything... ping times are great... |
| 06:28.43 | ajavid | zeroConf, ^c and try again |
| 06:28.43 | zeroConf | that is the only download i got going on... |
| 06:28.57 | zeroConf | up to my third time for that one ajavid ;-) |
| 06:29.34 | zeroConf | i can download real fast from anyplace else, ust that one url is slow... |
| 06:29.42 | zeroConf | my isp's mirror is great... |
| 06:29.46 | zeroConf | :-) |
| 06:29.54 | zeroConf | but they dont mirror volatile.... :( |
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| 06:31.54 | ajavid | i think volatile is a p ool of servers that load balance |
| 06:31.59 | ajavid | !volatile |
| 06:32.00 | dpkg | volatile is, like, a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 06:32.13 | ajavid | !volatile mirrors |
| 06:32.13 | dpkg | For a list of servers mirroring debian-volatile, see http://www.debian.org/volatile/volatile-mirrors |
| 06:32.21 | ajavid | yup |
| 06:32.28 | ajavid | just like regular mirrors |
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| 06:33.39 | zeroConf | thanks muchly :-) |
| 06:33.49 | ajavid | !dpkgbot |
| 06:33.49 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 06:37.05 | zeroConf | perfect - got it from the UK.... |
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| 06:37.28 | zeroConf | thanks champ |
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| 06:40.27 | ZitZ | I'm having a weird problem, I just reinstalled, but now when I play a video I get sound by no video, and I get no visualizations when I play just audio files in totem, I've never seen anything like this |
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| 06:45.25 | SkyNetMaster | any deb packiging gurus |
| 06:45.34 | SkyNetMaster | Im stuck with my head in my a** |
| 06:45.44 | et | i don't see how deb helps there |
| 06:45.59 | SkyNetMaster | is there any chanel for debuild? |
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| 06:58.13 | zeroConf | thanks for the hint on using a different mirror |
| 06:58.16 | zeroConf | worked a charm |
| 06:58.21 | zeroConf | been having me a good day since |
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| 06:58.22 | zeroConf | :-) |
| 06:58.25 | zeroConf | up there for thinking |
| 06:58.27 | zeroConf | :-) |
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| 07:20.12 | NicoOOoOo | et bjr all :) |
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| 07:21.38 | Begasus | g'morning |
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| 07:21.56 | Begasus | how do I find out whether lenny or etch is installed? (command line) |
| 07:22.11 | nevyn_ | cat /etc/debian-version? |
| 07:22.34 | nevyn_ | debian_version even... |
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| 07:25.18 | Begasus | ok that did it nevyn thnx |
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| 07:51.37 | telmich | hello |
| 07:51.56 | telmich | what's today the cleanest way to add multiple ip addresses to one interface in debian? |
| 07:52.23 | telmich | still why a manual up-script? or does /etc/network/interfaces now support adding ip addresses directly? |
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| 07:57.08 | joltcan | telmich: I use "up ip a a 1.2.3.4/24 dev ethX", don't think there is another way if it's not a virtual interface |
| 07:57.31 | telmich | joltcan: ok, thanks. I thought there was somebody taking care of this already |
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| 07:57.48 | joltcan | telmich: but I think thats clean enough (well, except my shortened ip line) |
| 07:58.24 | joltcan | telmich: Not that I have seen. There are ways for aliases and so on. I might have overlooked any options due to this being simple enough |
| 07:58.32 | telmich | joltcan: I would prefer "add-address <ip/mask>" in interfaces |
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| 07:59.44 | joltcan | telmich: can't find it in the interfaces manual at least |
| 07:59.56 | OpenTokix | I use virtual iterfaces |
| 08:00.07 | OpenTokix | for it to survive a reboot |
| 08:00.08 | joltcan | OpenTokix: Yeah, but this was the same interface |
| 08:00.17 | OpenTokix | joltcan: ok, does it matter? |
| 08:00.25 | joltcan | OpenTokix: well, not really :) |
| 08:00.28 | OpenTokix | joltcan: =) |
| 08:00.36 | joltcan | telmich: so use ethX:N |
| 08:01.04 | joltcan | or not |
| 08:01.22 | joltcan | because then you have multiple interfaces in your iptables config |
| 08:01.32 | joltcan | which might be suckier |
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| 08:02.02 | OpenTokix | why? Easy to see whats happening |
| 08:02.06 | OpenTokix | ahh, iptables |
| 08:02.07 | OpenTokix | yes |
| 08:02.07 | nsadmin | telmich: then add a program that parses interfaces |
| 08:02.21 | nsadmin | or use the syntax already defined. |
| 08:02.25 | nsadmin | your choice. |
| 08:02.29 | telmich | joltcan: ethX:N is deprecated for a long time, iirc |
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| 08:02.58 | nsadmin | deprecated by what/whom? |
| 08:03.02 | telmich | (that was some of the reasons why iproute was born) |
| 08:03.06 | joltcan | telmich: It's still in the example file, so I guess not |
| 08:03.35 | nsadmin | it works fine, so deprecation doesn't mean immediate deletion |
| 08:04.20 | telmich | nsadmin: true (the second part) |
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| 08:04.44 | nsadmin | btw are you trying to solve a problem you have, or trying to provide something new to others? |
| 08:05.04 | nsadmin | telmich: and the first part as well. it works; I've used it |
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| 08:05.44 | nsadmin | if you're trying to do the former, also doing the latter will slow you down |
| 08:06.59 | telmich | nsadmin: compare ifconfig eth0:3 192.168.42.2 up with ip addr show |
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| 08:08.10 | nsadmin | (which also creates a network route if you also specify the netmask... but...) the interfaces file is a facility built on top of that |
| 08:08.14 | telmich | using pseudo-virtual devices is a big pain, imho. it's not usable for firewall configurations and creates the impression that the second device somehow differs from the primary one |
| 08:08.35 | telmich | nsadmin: it even creates a route without specifying a mask - which is kind of evil |
| 08:08.37 | nsadmin | so you haven't answered what you're trying to accomplish |
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| 08:09.02 | telmich | nsadmin: 09:51 < telmich> what's today the cleanest way to add multiple ip addresses to one interface in debian? |
| 08:09.04 | nsadmin | so it assumes classful routing which isn't supposed to exist |
| 08:09.19 | telmich | nsadmin: yep, also deprecated |
| 08:09.26 | Hadi | How to connect to wireless network on debian |
| 08:09.28 | telmich | (but still taught) |
| 08:09.35 | jelly-home | telmich: how many addresses? |
| 08:09.56 | nsadmin | ok, by that and by current discussion, you want to argue the point... is that all, or are you actually trying to solve a specific problem? |
| 08:10.15 | telmich | jelly-home: various, depending on the server |
| 08:10.29 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 08:10.40 | Hadi | i can't connect wireless network on my debian |
| 08:10.45 | Hadi | i just installed it |
| 08:10.47 | OpenTokix | I use /etc/network/interfaces and ethX:n |
| 08:10.56 | telmich | nsadmin: the reason why I ask is, because I'm preparing a bigger infrastructure change with fai and puppet and now I've the possibilty to do some stuff cleaner than it has been done before |
| 08:10.58 | OpenTokix | Hadi: maybe you need soem non-free firmware? |
| 08:11.06 | nsadmin | Hadi: why? what wireless device do you have connected? |
| 08:11.25 | Hadi | its built in on the laptop |
| 08:11.38 | nsadmin | telmich: so you want to break new ground... |
| 08:12.23 | nsadmin | Hadi: does lspci -nn show your device |
| 08:12.33 | jelly-home | telmich: if lots: use ip in an up line; if a few, use old style aliases; if feeling really experimental, fix the ifupdown branch from experimental, the one that seems to use iproute |
| 08:12.34 | Hadi | where to type it ? |
| 08:12.47 | nsadmin | in a shell |
| 08:12.50 | Hadi | can somebody help me in priv chat what to do |
| 08:12.51 | Hadi | ? |
| 08:13.06 | nsadmin | I'm going to store in a minute, so no |
| 08:13.28 | nsadmin | you have debian installed? |
| 08:13.33 | Hadi | yes |
| 08:13.40 | nsadmin | and you can log in? |
| 08:13.40 | Hadi | im connecting from cable |
| 08:13.47 | Hadi | yes |
| 08:14.07 | nsadmin | oh, and you're using the same laptop that also has this wireless device? |
| 08:14.24 | Hadi | Im using laptop ! that's it |
| 08:14.50 | Hadi | like all the rest of laptops |
| 08:14.50 | nsadmin | and that laptop is the machine you installed debian on? |
| 08:14.55 | Hadi | yes |
| 08:15.03 | nsadmin | and it's running debian right now? |
| 08:15.07 | Hadi | yes |
| 08:15.31 | nsadmin | ok... are you running X? |
| 08:15.40 | Hadi | it doesn't discover network like how it was on Ubuntu |
| 08:15.42 | Hadi | what X ?# |
| 08:15.58 | nsadmin | graphic display, mouse |
| 08:16.07 | Hadi | yes |
| 08:16.08 | nsadmin | or is it text-only |
| 08:16.17 | Hadi | No graphic dispaly , mouse |
| 08:16.31 | Hadi | im not running server |
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| 08:17.15 | nsadmin | can you run rxvt or xterm? |
| 08:17.41 | nsadmin | are you running kde? gnome? |
| 08:17.41 | Hadi | what is those |
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| 08:17.48 | Hadi | gnome |
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| 08:18.06 | nsadmin | ok, maybe you have gnome terminal |
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| 08:18.26 | Hadi | ok im in |
| 08:18.39 | nsadmin | lspci -nn |
| 08:18.55 | nsadmin | and look at it for the one line that describes your wireless device |
| 08:19.21 | Hadi | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
| 08:19.38 | nsadmin | judd pciid 168c:001c |
| 08:19.41 | judd | nsadmin: [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
| 08:19.44 | Hadi | 00:17.0 PCI bridge [0604]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0ac7] (rev b1) |
| 08:20.32 | nsadmin | Hadi: the name of the driver for your chipset is ath5k |
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| 08:21.18 | nsadmin | (this is an intermediate result... have someone take over from here) |
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| 08:21.42 | Hadi | soo what should i do now ? |
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| 08:22.01 | Hadi | use @http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci@ |
| 08:22.02 | nsadmin | now you know what your wireless is |
| 08:22.11 | Hadi | oki :D |
| 08:22.19 | nsadmin | and the driver name |
| 08:22.24 | nsadmin | try this... |
| 08:22.30 | nsadmin | ifconfig wlan0 |
| 08:22.50 | nsadmin | do you get: a paragraph? an error message? |
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| 08:23.09 | Hadi | command not found |
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| 08:23.26 | nsadmin | oh, you have to do that as root |
| 08:23.29 | Hadi | ah |
| 08:23.31 | Hadi | ip |
| 08:23.33 | Hadi | no if |
| 08:23.55 | Hadi | still |
| 08:24.10 | nsadmin | anyway, going to store now... |
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| 08:24.15 | Hadi | =( |
| 08:24.50 | nsadmin | we made progress. tell the next person that lspci line and your driver name |
| 08:25.31 | Hadi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:28.27 | Hadi | somebody help ? |
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| 08:29.17 | xeon-enouf | judd: pciid 168c:001c |
| 08:29.19 | judd | xeon-enouf: [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
| 08:29.27 | xeon-enouf | !ath5k |
| 08:29.27 | dpkg | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <backports.org>, <wireless tree>. |
| 08:29.36 | xeon-enouf | see that Hadi |
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| 08:34.54 | fireba11 | wth does etch's php4-pear pull php5-common with it? |
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| 08:35.47 | xeon-enouf | fireba11: a recommends? |
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| 08:36.56 | xeon-enouf | echo 'APT::Install-Recommends "false";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-recommends |
| 08:37.06 | xeon-enouf | and try again - use -s |
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| 08:38.05 | Hadi | xeon-enouf ! where to run deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 08:38.20 | xeon-enouf | !souces.list |
| 08:38.23 | xeon-enouf | !sources.list |
| 08:38.23 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 08:39.54 | Hadi | on root terminal ? |
| 08:40.15 | xeon-enouf | yes, all /etc/ are system config files and nee root privs |
| 08:41.23 | Hadi | permession denied |
| 08:41.46 | Hadi | im using root |
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| 08:42.25 | xeon-enouf | do 'whoami' |
| 08:42.30 | xeon-enouf | you're not root |
| 08:42.34 | Hadi | root |
| 08:42.36 | Hadi | my bad |
| 08:42.38 | Hadi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.42 | Hadi | =# |
| 08:42.58 | xeon-enouf | Hadi: stop with the ENTER key please |
| 08:43.23 | xeon-enouf | Hadi: what command did you run that said permission denied? |
| 08:43.45 | Hadi | no command i just write /etc/apt/sources.list but its ok now i got to ect/apt |
| 08:43.56 | xeon-enouf | you need an editor :-P |
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| 08:44.28 | xeon-enouf | "sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list" without quotes would work |
| 08:44.44 | xeon-enouf | (if you are root) |
| 08:44.53 | Hadi | worked |
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| 08:45.42 | hacker_kid | sorry, im a little new at messing with the kernel, im trying to build a kernel module that is looking for /lib/modules/2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486/build but there isnt a build dir in /lib/modules/2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 ? |
| 08:46.23 | xeon-enouf | hacker_kid: install linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 |
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| 08:47.11 | xeon-enouf | hacker_kid: and, it'll place a symlink (called /build) pointing to your -headers- in /usr/src/ |
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| 08:47.26 | hacker_kid | xeon-enouf, thanks, i thought i had |
| 08:47.39 | xeon-enouf | why that old a kernel? why not use module-assistant? |
| 08:47.53 | MarcoPau | hello, I just accidentally erased the content of /etc/init.d/... any hint to recover? |
| 08:47.56 | xeon-enouf | !b-e hacker_kid |
| 08:47.57 | dpkg | hacker_kid: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 08:48.01 | xeon-enouf | as well |
| 08:48.27 | hacker_kid | xeon-enouf, i have messed with C enough to remember that :) |
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| 08:48.43 | xeon-enouf | MarcoPau: those are the actual scripts - restore from backup |
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| 08:48.47 | xeon-enouf | !etckeeper |
| 08:48.54 | hacker_kid | xeon-enouf, i like sticking with etch... lenny is currently just a pain for me |
| 08:49.19 | xeon-enouf | !m-a |
| 08:49.19 | dpkg | module-assistant is probably a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/. |
| 08:49.32 | MarcoPau | xeon-enouf: I can just copy them from another installation? I don't have the same version backed up unfortunately |
| 08:49.56 | xeon-enouf | heh .. no ,, but it might be a start |
| 08:50.54 | xeon-enouf | MarcoPau: read /etc/inittab and /msg dpkg rcconf (follow URL to debian-administration.org) |
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| 08:53.45 | MarcoPau | xeon-enouf: if I get hold of the directory from another updated debian installation it might be ok? |
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| 08:55.38 | xeon-enouf | MarcoPau: the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ point to /etc/init.d/ ... so what's in those is what matters - for each runlevel - hence; read ;-) but you might get pretty close with a very similar installation |
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| 08:58.28 | xeon-enouf | $ find /etc/rc{S,[0-6]}.d/ |
| 08:58.50 | xeon-enouf | add -ls ;-) |
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| 09:00.17 | MarcoPau | xeon-enouf: thanks, I'll start with a copy of the files and then in case reinstall packages containing the missing files |
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| 09:01.04 | xeon-enouf | MarcoPau: might want info from /msg dpkg confmiss (for that latter part) |
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| 09:01.54 | bobslaede | Hi |
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| 09:02.45 | bobslaede | I'm trying to rsync some files over ssh from a debian etch server to a ubuntu edgy. The ubuntu edgy server however creates some public keys that look totally different from the ones the debian server creates. Different version? How could this be resolved? |
| 09:02.52 | MarcoPau | xeon-enouf: great |
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| 09:02.54 | groton | anyone know how rebuild an mirror array created using dmraid? |
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| 09:04.24 | cahoot | bobslaede: simply a matter of rsa vs dsa? |
| 09:04.39 | bobslaede | cahoot: no, both rsa |
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| 09:05.41 | themill | bobslaede: you're not comparing the public and private keys are you? |
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| 09:07.25 | bobslaede | themill: nope |
| 09:07.36 | xeon-enouf | well didn't dsa1571 or whatever occur ~ etch? |
| 09:07.47 | themill | bobslaede: can you pastebin the two keys then? |
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| 09:08.05 | bobslaede | themill: yeah, 2 seconds |
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| 09:08.45 | _Brandon_ | hi, I have a problem with pam, I have configured it to use winbind, everything works fine but if I unplug the ethernet cable I can't login with local accounts anymore, the login timeouts |
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| 09:09.11 | xeon-enouf | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html |
| 09:09.23 | bobslaede | themill: http://pastebin.com/d3519d536 |
| 09:09.25 | xeon-enouf | !dsa1571 |
| 09:09.25 | dpkg | Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes> |
| 09:09.38 | xeon-enouf | how about key length? |
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| 09:10.26 | bobslaede | xeon-enouf: they keys arent the same length |
| 09:11.35 | themill | bobslaede: how did you generate them? both using ssh-keygen (what options) |
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| 09:11.57 | bobslaede | themill: ssh-keygen -t rsa |
| 09:12.27 | themill | adds this to his "ubuntu!=debian" file for the next time someone wants to claim that they're the same |
| 09:13.14 | bobslaede | themill: yeah :/ not the same |
| 09:13.20 | cahoot | sorry to be interfering - but - the ubuntu key is linebreaked? |
| 09:13.29 | bobslaede | cahoot: yeah it is |
| 09:14.20 | bobslaede | so far, im guessing its the ubuntu machine doing something it shouldnt with they keys |
| 09:14.33 | themill | I've never seen an ssh pubkey with a header block like that before. |
| 09:14.36 | bobslaede | i've never seen keys that looked like that, only seen the ones the debian server makes |
| 09:14.54 | cahoot | seems mailed |
| 09:15.04 | themill | bobslaede: I take it that ssh doesn't know how to use the key? |
| 09:15.16 | bobslaede | themill: exactly |
| 09:15.29 | themill | bobslaede: even ubuntu's own ssh? |
| 09:15.31 | bobslaede | themill: the debian ssh doesnt know how to use the ubuntu public key |
| 09:15.45 | bobslaede | themill: havent tried it the other way |
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| 09:17.22 | bobslaede | themill: it works the other way |
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| 09:17.36 | bobslaede | i can use the debian public key on the ubuntu server |
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| 09:18.45 | bobslaede | themill: it is the ubuntu server, thats having a problem with the keygen, i just tried on another, newer, ubuntu machine, and the public key generated here, is just fine |
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| 09:19.28 | ethanol | mornin' people |
| 09:19.47 | themill | bobslaede: sounds like it's an ubuntu bug and it's now fixed. There's nothing wrong with generating the key on a different machine (or you could probably extract the key from the headerblock you've got anyway as a work around) |
| 09:20.27 | bobslaede | themill: yeah, that could possible work, maybe :) |
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| 09:23.19 | bobslaede | that doesnt seem to work |
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| 09:31.12 | bobslaede | themill: apparently it has to be done this way: ssh-keygen -t rsa1 to get the version 1 format, except it doesnt work, even though its in the man page :P |
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| 09:32.11 | themill | bobslaede: umm... you don't want an rsa1 key |
| 09:32.23 | bobslaede | no? |
| 09:32.25 | bobslaede | oh.. |
| 09:32.32 | bobslaede | then it doesnt matter that it doesnt work i guess |
| 09:33.36 | bobslaede | themill: i got it from here: http://archive.networknewz.com/networknewz-10-20030707AuthenticatingbyPublicKeyOpenSSH.html |
| 09:35.32 | themill | oh... that header block is for the format used by the commercial "ssh secure shell", isn't it. Haven't seen that in a lot of years... |
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| 09:36.31 | bobslaede | oh |
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| 09:37.38 | bobslaede | themill: any idea how to fix this? |
| 09:38.11 | jensens | hi, my question: in lenny "update-modules ist deprecated" it says, what to use else? |
| 09:38.15 | themill | bobslaede: I'd just generate the keypair on another machine and copy them both across to the misbehaving machine |
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| 09:39.03 | bobslaede | themill: i can do that? |
| 09:39.05 | themill | bobslaede: Since this is an ubuntu bug you're hitting against, you might like to ask about it in #ubuntu although I suspect that they'll tell you that edgy is now EOL and you should upgrade (or reinstall...) |
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| 09:39.12 | bobslaede | the id_rsa and the id_rsa.pub files? |
| 09:39.18 | themill | bobslaede: of course. It's just a pair of files. |
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| 09:39.34 | bobslaede | themill: yeah, #ubuntu is not being any help |
| 09:40.23 | themill | bobslaede: just copy them around by scp; add the pubkey to the authorized_keys file on the server machine and give the private key to the host machine as normal. |
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| 09:41.56 | bobslaede | themill: how do i tell the host machine to use this new private key? |
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| 09:43.02 | cire | upgrading to 2.6.30-5 makes my initrd not detect all disks in /dev/disk/by-uuid. Only my raid1 array(md0) is there... |
| 09:43.09 | cire | where could this come from? |
| 09:43.52 | themill | bobslaede: you either use "ssh -i /path/to/id_rsa" or you edit your ~/.ssh/config to include an IdentityFile statement. See man sshd_config or look on debian-administration.org for an article on this |
| 09:44.21 | bobslaede | thanks :) |
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| 09:46.14 | zophy-64bit | do iceweasel versions correspond to firefox versions ? |
| 09:46.45 | themill | zophy-64bit: mostly. Remember that security updates might be backported though |
| 09:46.56 | anan | http://www.thaiadpoint.com/tap8.1/bin/redir.php?p=2005&l=1330&u_id=363435 |
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| 09:47.45 | flourish | hello, howto install skype for my amd64 squeeze system |
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| 09:51.03 | streuner_ | flourish: skype isnt in Debian... |
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| 09:52.59 | JyZyXEL | where did bootlogd record the messages from bootup? |
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| 09:53.23 | streuner_ | flourish: /msg dpkg skype |
| 09:53.30 | cire | my udev/rules.d/95-own.rules prvents udev from creating links in /dev/disk/by-uuid. It only contains lines like this: |
| 09:53.42 | cire | SUBSYSTEMS=="block", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="SATA_SAMSUNG_HD753xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx", SYMLINK="ext/media%n" |
| 09:53.49 | cire | is there soimething wrong with that line? |
| 09:53.58 | cahoot | JyZyXEL: should be in /var/log/boot |
| 09:54.18 | JyZyXEL | its only 50 lines |
| 09:54.23 | kronic | I've been getting intermittent segfaults and gpf on my server, I've ran memtest86, I got an error, where it just looped on a section of memory, rebooted, and ran it again, didn't find the error, tested each stick, no errors |
| 09:54.37 | kronic | ram at fault or hdd on which memtest86 resides? |
| 09:55.30 | JyZyXEL | god damnit its hard to get the startup messages logged |
| 09:56.06 | JyZyXEL | how the fuck am i supposed to fix all the errors and warnings that appear when they just scroll by and are not stored anywhere |
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| 09:56.18 | kronic | JyZyXEL: dmesg? |
| 09:56.26 | JyZyXEL | their not in dmesg |
| 09:56.42 | themill | "they're" |
| 09:56.54 | JyZyXEL | thats just the kernel messages |
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| 09:58.03 | kronic | is this rc startup scripts you're referring too? |
| 09:58.22 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 09:58.31 | JyZyXEL | i get alot of errors and warnings from there |
| 09:58.43 | kronic | should be in /var/log/daemon or /var/log/messages surely |
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| 09:59.38 | JyZyXEL | no their not |
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| 10:00.19 | cahoot | what kind of warnings? none stuck in memory? |
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| 10:01.03 | JyZyXEL | thats what im trying to figure out |
| 10:01.45 | cahoot | well - you can't remember even one? |
| 10:02.19 | JyZyXEL | warnings from init.d scripts |
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| 10:03.34 | SparFux | Hi. Are there tutorials about how to build debian packages from an svn trunk like http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-voip/dahdi-linux/ ? |
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| 10:07.34 | themill | SparFux: it should be as simple as grabbing the latest source from upstream and dropping the "debian" and "drivers" directories into it from the trunk and then running dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 10:08.44 | SparFux | aha, the latest source mainstream is used? |
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| 10:09.38 | themill | SparFux: that would usually be the intention, although not necessarily. Check debian/changelog to see what version that packaging relates too. |
| 10:10.37 | themill | SparFux: many debian maintainers don't like to keep all the upstream source in the debian svn as well as their packaging work so they split them up (since you need the upstream tarball anyway to make the debian package, there's a potential space saving by doing that) |
| 10:11.53 | SparFux | That's clever. |
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| 10:12.24 | SparFux | So I just enter the upstarem source and do svn co http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-voip/dahdi-linux/trunk/debian/ dahdi_debian |
| 10:14.36 | SparFux | svn: Repository moved permanently to '/viewsvn/pkg-voip/dahdi-linux/trunk/debian/'; please relocate |
| 10:14.41 | SparFux | But it's exactly this location. |
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| 10:16.56 | JyZyXEL | so apparently the messages from init.d scripts at startup are only saved in some memory buffer that cannot be accessed from userspace |
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| 10:18.08 | themill | SparFux: you probably need the actual repo location rather than the viewsvn location |
| 10:18.13 | JyZyXEL | real fucking smart to save logs to a file user can't access! |
| 10:18.21 | JyZyXEL | im sure they are alot of help there |
| 10:19.02 | petemc | you can enable bootlogging |
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| 10:19.19 | SparFux | themill: I just had to omit the viewsvn ... |
| 10:19.30 | SparFux | svn co svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-voip/dahdi-linux/trunk/debian |
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| 10:19.41 | JyZyXEL | by hacking the /etc/inittab? |
| 10:20.00 | petemc | no, /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 10:20.16 | JyZyXEL | yea tried that, didn't work |
| 10:20.47 | nsadmin | there's no info in that statement |
| 10:21.02 | JyZyXEL | it didn't have all the messages |
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| 10:21.05 | nsadmin | tried what? didn't work? how exactly? |
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| 10:21.41 | nsadmin | answering those could get you better answers |
| 10:22.00 | petemc | much easier just to spout off |
| 10:22.05 | JyZyXEL | it didn't have all the messages from bootup |
| 10:22.18 | JyZyXEL | just like a small fraction |
| 10:22.23 | petemc | JyZyXEL: which file did you check? |
| 10:22.46 | JyZyXEL | the /var/log/boot |
| 10:23.28 | petemc | JyZyXEL: what kind of errors are you getting that arent logged? |
| 10:23.33 | anan | http://www.thaiadpoint.com/tap8.1/bin/redir.php?p=2018&l=1336&u_id=363435 |
| 10:24.00 | JyZyXEL | well i remember /etc/init.d/vloopback trying to load a broken kernel module |
| 10:24.06 | JyZyXEL | that wasn't in there for example |
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| 10:24.13 | petemc | you can pause the messages during boot |
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| 10:29.31 | JyZyXEL | someone didn't quite think this thru |
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| 10:30.02 | nsadmin | or had a different set of thoughts |
| 10:30.35 | JyZyXEL | "oh no one will probably wanna read the errors that occured at the bootup" |
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| 10:40.00 | enoch | hi all |
| 10:40.21 | enoch | where can i get a "debian etch" iso? i can't find it |
| 10:41.10 | enoch | ... |
| 10:41.39 | themill | !etch iso |
| 10:41.39 | dpkg | Links to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") installation images are provided at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ Note that Etch has been superseded by Lenny, ask me about <install lenny>. See also <errata etch> and <install guide>. |
| 10:42.07 | themill | enoch: But now is the time for planning your migration to lenny, not making new installations of etch |
| 10:42.44 | enoch | themill: thanks |
| 10:42.49 | koollman | well, there are things in etch people will need for a rather long time :) |
| 10:43.22 | themill | etch will lose security support in less than 6 months. "long time" had better be less than 6 months.... |
| 10:43.28 | koollman | it's not |
| 10:43.30 | koollman | (and I know) |
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| 10:44.03 | koollman | I will probably have to manage some packages by hand, finding tricks to put them on lenny ... but it's rather unlikely that I find time to do that, so ... |
| 10:44.24 | themill | koollman: which packages? |
| 10:44.41 | themill | waits for "php4" |
| 10:44.43 | crono | Hi, is there a way besides using dd to copy a fat32 partition exactly as it is? My reason not to use dd is because it copies the empty side of the partition aswell, and that doesnt fit into my plans |
| 10:44.47 | koollman | themill: yep :) |
| 10:44.50 | koollman | themill: and even mysql4 |
| 10:45.16 | koollman | a quick test shown us we just will have to suffer their presence until ... the end of time |
| 10:45.36 | koollman | or the end of the specific client-paid hosting services, at least. |
| 10:45.46 | themill | koollman: no-one is looking after php4 any more, let alone php upstream. I wouldn't want it on my boxen any more. And if an app hasn't been ported to php5 yet then it's obviously unloved and you probably don't want to be running it on your machines either |
| 10:45.51 | crono | Obviously, if fat32 works that way i just need to find out where to stop the copy and use dd's parameter bs, but i dont know fat32 well enough for that... |
| 10:45.51 | koollman | themill: I know |
| 10:46.00 | koollman | themill: now, you tell that to the customers ;) |
| 10:46.26 | themill | koollman: yeah... you'd be better investing your time helping porting efforts than trying to keep php4 alive though |
| 10:46.39 | koollman | themill: unlikely. |
| 10:46.55 | themill | and don't worry, we'll get to go through all this again with php6 sometime soon |
| 10:47.08 | koollman | themill: porting some thousands of websites, versus keeping a badly-secure php4 ? |
| 10:47.08 | koollman | easy choice for my boss |
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| 10:47.14 | koollman | and even for me |
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| 10:47.56 | themill | koollman: I'd rate continuing with php4 as being more of a long-term load for you in dealing with compromised accounts and the spam that they're generating |
| 10:48.11 | themill | or do you just ignore all that? |
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| 10:48.39 | koollman | brand new websites have the same spam/compromised accounts problems |
| 10:48.58 | koollman | so it's not really a version problem |
| 10:49.06 | koollman | more of a 'folks make bad code' problem |
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| 10:49.25 | themill | koollman: btw mysql 4 wasn't even in etch... |
| 10:49.34 | koollman | and I could try to fix my customers, but it's even harder than porting their websites ;) |
| 10:49.41 | themill | heh |
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| 10:50.13 | koollman | if you find a way to upgrade customers so that they want a well coded website, maintained by competent developers, let me know |
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| 10:50.23 | koollman | for now, I will just keep old versions around |
| 10:50.51 | koollman | and will suffer the consequences, of course |
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| 10:55.17 | SparFux | Hi! I changed a patch in debian/patches and now svn-buildpackage complains: E: Found unresolved issues: |
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| 10:55.57 | SparFux | This is the error: https://rl2.dnsalias.net/public/DAHDI/svn-buildpackage-error.txt |
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| 10:57.58 | inckie | how can i install this packages http://packages.debian.org/sid/imagemagick on lenny? |
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| 11:00.41 | themill | SparFux: you either need to check in the changes (which you probably can't) or use --svn-ignore. Check the suggested aliases at the end of man svn-buildpackage. (you're doing "svn-b" here) |
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| 11:02.14 | SparFux | did that, works :-) |
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| 11:04.46 | SparFux | Aha, now I got the module zaphfc. :-) |
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| 11:06.05 | themill | SparFux: :) if you think that your changes are useful to the maintainer too, make sure you email a patch |
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| 11:09.36 | SparFux | themill: I will tell tzafrir anyway. I don't know if tthey are so usefull right now. I fixed compile issues for kernel 2.6.30, but that breaks pre-2.6.30 :-\ |
| 11:09.52 | SparFux | I will have to add #ifdef first :-) |
| 11:10.13 | SparFux | trying the modules. system may crash. |
| 11:11.39 | SparFux | no crash so far. |
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| 11:17.39 | lotrac | Hey...I just tried to upgrade my 64-bit lenny and got the following error when upgrading mysql-server from 5.0 5.0.51a-24+lenny1 to 5.0_5.0.51a-24+lenny2: "Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.1 to 5.0.". Does anybody have an idea what could be the problem? |
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| 11:27.58 | memic_ | how can i copy text out of a binary file? |
| 11:28.11 | funky | memic_: strings |
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| 11:28.34 | memic_ | funky i know the address |
| 11:28.37 | memic_ | start and end |
| 11:28.42 | memic_ | i deleted files |
| 11:28.55 | darkskiez | dd ? |
| 11:29.28 | funky | so what? |
| 11:29.31 | darkskiez | dd if=infile of=outfile bs=1 skip=x count=len |
| 11:30.22 | darkskiez | update as appropriate |
| 11:30.32 | memic_ | hm k |
| 11:31.01 | memic_ | i have to calcultate those 5BA06E50 ie in dec? |
| 11:31.25 | darkskiez | bc |
| 11:32.43 | darkskiez | echo 'ibase=16; 5BA06E50'|bc |
| 11:33.14 | darkskiez | next answer is google :P |
| 11:33.23 | memic_ | thx |
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| 11:39.30 | CAYADA | Qui parle le français ici ? |
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| 11:42.22 | azm | Nous ne parlons pas français ici CAYADA |
| 11:44.18 | CAYADA | Et pourquoi ? parce que vous est des cons ? |
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| 11:44.32 | CAYADA | C'est quand même pas compliqué de parler français. |
| 11:44.40 | petemc | !fr |
| 11:44.40 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:44.44 | CAYADA | Hop, un update de la database et voila. |
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| 11:47.11 | azm | et s'il vous plaît être poli |
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| 11:49.24 | melkart | 5.0.3 was released 3 days ago, but there is still no new netinst.iso available (or at least not linked to from debian.org) |
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| 11:51.03 | pedronero | i think if you use the previous netinst it will then download the newest packages |
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| 11:52.57 | melkart | pedronero: the previous netinst image cant set the keyboard layout correctly |
| 11:53.13 | Scurz | CAYADA: pourquoi ? |
| 11:53.22 | pedronero | oh yeah melkart |
| 11:53.30 | pedronero | that is thrue idd |
| 11:53.39 | pedronero | *true |
| 11:54.01 | pedronero | i noticed it 3 days agora when i did a new install |
| 11:54.14 | pedronero | but now i'm using vnc to connect to that machine |
| 11:54.22 | pedronero | and it's ok now |
| 11:54.35 | pedronero | only locally things are messed up |
| 11:56.03 | melkart | so... has the installer team just forgotten it? should i contact anybody about it? |
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| 12:06.15 | dimir | A takeover? |
| 12:06.16 | dimir | :-P |
| 12:06.44 | dimir | Or netsplit over. |
| 12:06.46 | dimir | :-) |
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| 12:08.50 | _ke | does anyone of you is using ftplicity? here, ftplicity fails after a certain amount of time (about a month) and falls back to full backups instead of doing incremental ones |
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| 12:18.16 | CAYADA | ahahaha :-) |
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| 12:28.54 | abhoriel | how does tasksel work with apt pinning? |
| 12:29.10 | abhoriel | essentially, I am running debian testing, but want to install kde 4.3 from unstable. |
| 12:29.30 | abhoriel | by using taskel install kde-desktop |
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| 12:31.19 | chellomere | if you're apt pinning, and then decide to use tasksel, it should 'just work' |
| 12:31.36 | joel__ | hello anyone knows a good link to configure pam LDAP in debian? |
| 12:31.37 | chellomere | unless kde is broken in unstable, which may be common; I don't run kde. |
| 12:32.38 | abhoriel | ok |
| 12:32.47 | abhoriel | but whereas with aptitude |
| 12:32.55 | abhoriel | you would just use aptitude -t unstable install ... |
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| 12:33.07 | abhoriel | how do you specify the release with tasksel? |
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| 12:33.15 | abhoriel | otherwise I assume it will just install the testing KDE |
| 12:33.27 | joel__ | anyone? |
| 12:34.59 | streuner_ | abhoriel: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:35.32 | abhoriel | my sources.list contains entries for both testing and unstable :) |
| 12:35.40 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 12:35.41 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
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| 12:39.37 | joel__ | anybody can help me? :S |
| 12:39.45 | CAYADA | Qui apt, sa sent la chii coré... 1 2 3 ça sera bien to_ i. |
| 12:39.57 | Stereo | CAYADA: wtf |
| 12:40.07 | CAYADA | cool en Stereo ça donne encore mieu |
| 12:40.33 | Stereo | CAYADA: il y a #debian-fr pour les questions en francais |
| 12:40.33 | Stereo | dpkg: tell CAYADA about fr |
| 12:40.37 | CAYADA | j'ai posé une question ? |
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| 12:41.04 | Stereo | non, mais si tu parles en francais ici, tu vas te sentir un peu seul |
| 12:41.04 | adb | no tu est offtopic .. |
| 12:41.14 | CAYADA | et alors ? |
| 12:41.14 | Stereo | #debian-fr sera plus sympa |
| 12:41.20 | Stereo | apres c'est comme tu veux :) |
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| 12:41.30 | CAYADA | Tu parles uniquement hamburger quand tu vas au mac donalds ? |
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| 12:41.42 | flower | I try to setup rsnapshot, but I get: |
| 12:41.43 | CAYADA | On a le droit de se distraire un peut non ? |
| 12:41.50 | flower | ERROR: /etc/rsnapshot.conf on line 182: |
| 12:41.52 | flower | ERROR: backup /home/ /backup/ - Backup destination /backup/ must be a \ |
| 12:41.53 | flower | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.06 | CAYADA | hoo c'est beau une fleur qui pousse. |
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| 12:42.51 | xeon-enouf | Le Royale |
| 12:43.01 | CAYADA | il y a combient de ° d' alcohol dans la bier_ ici ? |
| 12:43.03 | adb | CAYADA, tu vas finir par etre banner , jolis fin .. |
| 12:43.15 | cydork | wtf? stop talking in french guys! |
| 12:43.15 | alcohol | english please? |
| 12:43.19 | CAYADA | pas grave, je suis comme terminator, je reviendrais. |
| 12:43.42 | adb | !ops CAYADA troll |
| 12:43.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: CAYADA troll |
| 12:43.50 | CAYADA | ahahaha :-) |
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| 12:44.26 | CAYADA | quoi vous aimez pas le pé troll vous ? bisarre pour tant vous aviez l'air de faire votre business la dessu. |
| 12:44.42 | abrotman | CAYADA: please speak english |
| 12:44.43 | alcohol | !ops CAYADA I second the troll. |
| 12:44.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: alcohol complains about: CAYADA I second the troll. |
| 12:44.54 | CAYADA | ahahahah ;-) |
| 12:45.06 | CAYADA | tu travails pour d HL toi dpkg ? |
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| 12:45.31 | CAYADA | comme je l'ai dit, je reviendrais ! :-) |
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| 12:45.55 | streuner_ | boring, this troll |
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| 12:47.20 | flower | ERROR: /etc/rsnapshot.conf on line 182: |
| 12:47.22 | flower | ERROR: backup /home/ /backup/ - Backup destination /backup/ must be a \ |
| 12:47.23 | flower | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:49.44 | OpenTokix | flower: is that the entire error? |
| 12:49.52 | OpenTokix | flower: you dont have spaces in your config? |
| 12:50.05 | flower | OpenTokix: I fixed that |
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| 12:50.42 | flower | OpenTokix: I'm not sure what this commands means: http://pastebin.com/m55d8bb9b |
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| 12:50.58 | flower | OpenTokix: does it delete files which are deleted on my hdd too? |
| 12:51.14 | flower | OpenTokix: and is that wise to do... mmh |
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| 12:51.33 | OpenTokix | yes, when the folders are rolled, or what you say |
| 12:51.43 | OpenTokix | anyway, that command creates afolder with the 0755 permissions |
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| 12:52.11 | flower | OpenTokix: and that means? |
| 12:52.25 | OpenTokix | you have hourly.0, 1, 2 etc. |
| 12:52.38 | flower | 0755? |
| 12:53.00 | OpenTokix | if you delete a file after hourly.1 and hourly.0, the file will be in hourly.1 but not 0, butwhen the folder that at that time is hourly.1 the file will be deleted. |
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| 12:53.07 | OpenTokix | 0755 its permissions, |
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| 12:53.16 | OpenTokix | 7 i rwx, 5 is r-x |
| 12:53.54 | flower | read write excecute |
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| 12:54.19 | OpenTokix | ye |
| 12:54.20 | OpenTokix | s |
| 12:54.54 | flower | that fine not? |
| 12:55.33 | flower | those permissions? |
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| 12:58.00 | OpenTokix | yeah |
| 12:58.18 | flower | and if I want to keep all files forever, I have to remove: --delete-excluded |
| 12:58.56 | OpenTokix | no, you have to adjust your settings for the hourly, daily, weekly and monthly backups |
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| 12:59.03 | OpenTokix | for how long they are keept |
| 12:59.29 | lillis | soooo... |
| 12:59.33 | joel__ | hello anyone knows a good link to configure pam LDAP in debian? |
| 13:00.32 | flower | OpenTokix: and how to do that if you want to keep the deleted files forever? |
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| 13:01.14 | OpenTokix | flower: I don't think snapshot is the tool for you |
| 13:01.49 | flower | OpenTokix: mmh ok, other suggestions? |
| 13:01.59 | OpenTokix | no, not really |
| 13:03.18 | flower | rsync? |
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| 13:04.46 | pleb2 | Hi Guys |
| 13:04.53 | pleb2 | how do i turn off frequency scaling?? |
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| 13:05.51 | alteregoa | goa'uld? |
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| 13:09.25 | pleb2 | !freq |
| 13:09.35 | pleb2 | !frequency scaling |
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| 13:11.25 | MikeH | Has anyone else experienced problems with unrar-free? |
| 13:11.42 | MikeH | It has failed to unrar two archives i've tried, which unrar with winrar no problems? |
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| 13:12.29 | alteregoa | yeah |
| 13:12.55 | alteregoa | maybe because its utf8 encoded? |
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| 13:13.06 | MikeH | aah |
| 13:13.14 | MikeH | apparently -free only supports upto 2.x |
| 13:13.19 | Trewas | MikeH: unrar-free does not work if rar has been made with rar3, so not anything packed in last 7 years |
| 13:13.42 | MikeH | what is the non-free repo? |
| 13:13.51 | MikeH | (I'm on squeeze) |
| 13:13.52 | abrotman | !tell MikeH about non-free |
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| 13:14.35 | Trewas | I think unrar-free is only kept in archives to make people wonder why it does not work |
| 13:15.17 | abrotman | maybe if the whole world would just use 7zip ... |
| 13:15.27 | pleb2 | Hi does anyone know anything about frequency scaling?? |
| 13:15.35 | MikeH | Thank you abrotman |
| 13:15.40 | pleb2 | I want to disable it so my server runs at a fixed CPU speed |
| 13:15.49 | chellomere | pleb2, why? |
| 13:15.55 | MikeH | abrotman: I'd love to, however I'm using a usenet client that requires unrar, it seems |
| 13:16.06 | pleb2 | chellomere theres a known bug in the software im using with the type of processor I have |
| 13:16.21 | pleb2 | untill its fixed I would need to disable cpu frequency scaling |
| 13:16.33 | abrotman | MikeH: stop getting software/movies from usenet |
| 13:16.53 | chellomere | pleb2, what cpu? |
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| 13:17.08 | pleb2 | Athlon 64 |
| 13:17.11 | pleb2 | hang on no |
| 13:17.12 | pleb2 | lies |
| 13:17.19 | abrotman | pleb2: is cpufreq loaded ? |
| 13:17.31 | pleb2 | abrotman yes it is now |
| 13:17.37 | pleb2 | but both hang on sorry ive missed something |
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| 13:17.40 | chellomere | pleb2, cpufreq drivers and governors are used for modern cpus |
| 13:17.43 | abrotman | but you probably want it unloaded |
| 13:19.28 | chellomere | pleb2, if you have a cpufreq driver loaded, you can use the performance governor to have it run at the highest available frequency. |
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| 13:20.16 | chellomere | pleb2, if there's no cpufreq driver loaded, and the frequency is still varying, it's likely that your bios is doing this. |
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| 13:24.15 | pleb2 | chellomere how can I tell if there is a cpufreq driver loaded? |
| 13:24.28 | chellomere | pleb2, lsmod |
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| 13:24.40 | pleb2 | also ive pushed my question back at the software guys as I have xeon processors |
| 13:24.44 | pleb2 | and the bug is with AMD |
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| 13:25.12 | pleb2 | chellomere what would it be called? |
| 13:25.14 | chellomere | pleb2, if the software doesn't like frequency scaling, it doesn't matter what type of processor does it. |
| 13:25.21 | chellomere | pleb2, something with cpufreq. |
| 13:25.49 | pleb2 | nope nothing |
| 13:25.52 | pleb2 | edac core |
| 13:25.53 | pleb2 | ? |
| 13:25.59 | pleb2 | other then that nope :) |
| 13:26.08 | pleb2 | so its disabled unless the bios is scaling.. |
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| 13:26.12 | pleb2 | Thanks :) |
| 13:26.18 | chellomere | np |
| 13:26.54 | pistache | Hello |
| 13:27.23 | pistache | I've compiled my own kernel, did make oldconfig, and some changes in menuconfig, and now I have no modules :/ |
| 13:27.30 | pistache | I did make modules_install install |
| 13:27.56 | pistache | I do have a directory /lib/modules/2.6.29.6-xxxx-std/ |
| 13:28.05 | pistache | But I can't find any .ko file in it |
| 13:28.11 | pistache | lsmod returns no module |
| 13:28.14 | pistache | why is that ? |
| 13:28.35 | abrotman | !tell pistache about kp |
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| 13:28.54 | abrotman | pistache: did you check the source tree to see if it even built them? |
| 13:29.18 | pistache | abrotman: you mean /lib/modules/my_kernel_version/source ? |
| 13:29.33 | abrotman | not quite |
| 13:29.37 | abrotman | and why are you building a kernel ? |
| 13:29.49 | pistache | abrotman: for xen support with iSCSI |
| 13:30.09 | abrotman | and the .30 at backports.org doesn't have this ? |
| 13:30.13 | pistache | I would be pleased to use the stock kernel, but have no iSCSI |
| 13:30.57 | pistache | The hosting provider I am using (dedicated server), provides patches for the kernel, for iSCSI built-in configuration |
| 13:30.58 | abrotman | pistache: do you know the CONFIG option for it? |
| 13:31.37 | themill | the bpo kernel might not be xen enabled at all |
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| 13:31.53 | pistache | abrotman: i should diff the .config file from my provider and myself |
| 13:32.04 | pistache | and abrotman, i need a dom0 kernel, not domU |
| 13:32.21 | GoGi | I have installed named, it is running but does not respond to queries. |
| 13:32.33 | GoGi | I tried running with default and without any configuration |
| 13:32.40 | GoGi | netstat shows that the socket is open |
| 13:33.08 | zeroConf | anyone know WHY ldap is so popular with addressbook s ? |
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| 13:33.34 | abrotman | zeroConf: what's wrong with it? |
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| 13:33.44 | RsaSecure2 | hello, anyone setup a chat service with Jabber before? |
| 13:34.18 | zeroConf | abrotman - i am about to discover nothing, but it will involve a few hours play :) |
| 13:34.29 | abrotman | zeroConf: so why are you asking us? |
| 13:34.34 | zeroConf | im just used to mysql... |
| 13:34.42 | themill | suspects zeroConf should look up what LDAP stands for |
| 13:34.54 | zeroConf | lightweightdirectoryaccessportocole |
| 13:35.06 | abrotman | -e |
| 13:35.13 | zeroConf | lol |
| 13:35.37 | abrotman | zeroConf: FWIW .. ldap can do much more than just be an address book |
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| 13:36.08 | zeroConf | abrotman - i am looking at someone elses config for using ldap for the ad side of smb.... |
| 13:36.20 | zeroConf | kinda cool, if i knew more about ldap... |
| 13:36.48 | JyZyXEL | could i somehow install lenny to usb inside debian? |
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| 13:39.43 | JyZyXEL | its like yo dawg i install debian inside debian so you can have debian while installing debian' |
| 13:40.17 | Stereo | JyZyXEL: you can chroot it, or look into lvs |
| 13:40.28 | Stereo | to chroot it, look into debootstrap |
| 13:41.27 | JyZyXEL | i was thinking maybe like install in inside a VM and then copy all the shit from the VM's virtual HD to the stick |
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| 13:41.58 | JyZyXEL | and then do grub-install for the stick |
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| 13:43.07 | themill | JyZyXEL: sounds like you're wanting debootstrap |
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| 13:43.54 | JyZyXEL | it will do everything automatically? |
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| 13:44.15 | Cerise | hi |
| 13:44.34 | Cerise | how to install manpages for system calls etc.? |
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| 13:45.18 | themill | JyZyXEL: depends on what you mean by "it", "everything" and "automatically". It is a tool with a defined purpose and plenty of documentation that you are free to read. |
| 13:45.53 | abrotman | Cerise: manpages-dev |
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| 13:46.40 | Cerise | ah, thank you |
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| 13:48.46 | rudi_s | I get this error when running aptitude update: W: GPG error: http://sourcedeps.debian.net lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2. Does anybody know whats wrong with sourcdeps? |
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| 13:50.10 | kanzure | are pagefiles in a swapfile ever merged back into RAM in 2.6? |
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| 13:50.29 | abrotman | rudi_s: there's no key in the Release.gpg ? |
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| 13:52.04 | alopoa | Hello guys i changed my gateway at home network from 192.168.2.1 to 2.2 . And also i went to /etc/network/interfaces and changed the gateway there also. But my box still can't ping anything or access internet... what can i do? P.S. i am running xen also should i change something there ? Even the dom0 hasn't internet |
| 13:52.18 | alopoa | ahhh and my server is accesible via internet also |
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| 13:52.29 | rudi_s | abrotman: Yes, just checked and it's empty. But Release is also empty. |
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| 13:53.46 | rudi_s | Do you know what's wrong with it? |
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| 13:56.48 | arvind_khadri | are ia64 and i686 the same? |
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| 13:57.20 | Batchy | ia64 is itanium |
| 13:57.33 | Batchy | and other 64bit only x86 |
| 13:57.35 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: not even close |
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| 14:00.21 | Mark21 | hello, I have a server from where I cannot ping or wget to any server outside the subnet, but connections from other systems to that system are working just fine. http://yourpaste.net/2967/ is a tcpdump from when trying to wget an existing page (verified that by opening that page in a browser on my local system) |
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| 14:02.19 | abrotman | Mark21: dhcp or static interface ? |
| 14:02.30 | Mark21 | from other systems in the same subnet (/24) I can connect to the system I am trying to ping/download from |
| 14:02.34 | Mark21 | static interface |
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| 14:02.50 | abrotman | put your interfaces file in a pastebin |
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| 14:02.57 | abrotman | rudi_s: no, i do not know |
| 14:03.09 | rudi_s | abrotman: Ok, thanks anyway. |
| 14:03.37 | alopoa | If i change gateway at my network do i have to change anything at my debian pc that is running xen except /etc/network/interfaces ? Because now i don' |
| 14:03.38 | alopoa | t |
| 14:03.41 | abrotman | rudi_s: check the way other repos are setup .. pretty sure if that .gpg file exists, it's supposed to have stuff in it |
| 14:03.42 | Mark21 | abrotman: my interfaces file: http://yourpaste.net/2968/ |
| 14:03.45 | alopoa | have internet on my debian pc |
| 14:04.04 | Mark21 | alopoa: you also need to change it in every xen guest |
| 14:04.15 | alopoa | what about dom0 ? |
| 14:04.26 | abrotman | Mark21: can you ping the gateway ? does 'route -n' look sane ? |
| 14:04.28 | alopoa | because mark21 now in dom0 i can't ping |
| 14:04.37 | Mark21 | in the dom0 you just need to change that single file |
| 14:04.56 | alopoa | and then /etc/init.d/networking restart yes ? |
| 14:05.12 | rudi_s | abrotman: Just checked it, you're right, there should be something in there. So there is a problem with sourcedeps. |
| 14:05.26 | alopoa | But now althrought my debian is accesible over ssh-internet i can't ping from my debian box or apt-get |
| 14:05.48 | alopoa | ohhhhhh i get it now i have to change also dns settings :) |
| 14:05.50 | Mark21 | I cannot ping the gateway and route -n gives the following line (besides 3 other lines for localhost and intern network) 213.189.17.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 14:05.54 | alopoa | totally forgot it |
| 14:05.57 | JyZyXEL | damn the debootstrap Manual is confusing |
| 14:06.30 | abrotman | Mark21: just one? |
| 14:06.30 | mXr | anyone got an idea what "relocation R_X86_64_32 against `server_input_wait' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC" could mean? |
| 14:06.32 | rudi_s | abrotman: I will contact the maintainer, thanks for your help. |
| 14:06.40 | mXr | trying to compile asterisk (latest 1.4 version, not debian source) with libc-client |
| 14:06.42 | Mark21 | alopoa: if you change the IP you should also check /etc/xen/* to look for the IPs |
| 14:06.53 | Mark21 | abrotman: just one with 213.189.17.x in it |
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| 14:07.04 | Mark21 | oh no, 3 |
| 14:07.07 | JyZyXEL | sudo debootstrap lenny /media/usb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 14:07.10 | JyZyXEL | what do you do after that? |
| 14:07.13 | samuelvogel | I am running debian lenny, and have installed apache from squeeze. This is my apt/preferences file: http://pastie.org/608552 an "apt-get source openssh-server" does fetch me the squeeze version, thou |
| 14:07.15 | JyZyXEL | grub-install? |
| 14:07.18 | nimred | Hello #debian. I am going to install debian on Thinkpad T61p (here is my cpu description : http://debian.pastebin.com/m1f7c5cb7). What do you think i should install ? AMD64 or Intel x86 ? |
| 14:07.31 | abrotman | Mark21: that's not right |
| 14:07.46 | Mark21 | http://yourpaste.net/2969/ for my totall output from route -n |
| 14:07.47 | abrotman | nimred: totally up to you and what you want hte machine to do |
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| 14:08.03 | Mark21 | 2 time the same line in it |
| 14:08.08 | Mark21 | 2 times the same line in it |
| 14:08.20 | JyZyXEL | what the fuck |
| 14:08.31 | JyZyXEL | sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/usb --no-floppy /dev/sda |
| 14:08.32 | JyZyXEL | grub-setup: warn: Your embedding area is unusually small. core.img won't fit in it. |
| 14:08.36 | stew | nimred: how much memory will it have? |
| 14:08.45 | nimred | abrotman i need a minimal window system as xmonad with emacs |
| 14:08.51 | nimred | stew 4Go |
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| 14:09.40 | JyZyXEL | how do you make usb stick bootable? |
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| 14:09.54 | JyZyXEL | does usb stick even have MBR? |
| 14:09.54 | suffe | I'm looking for CVS packages of PHP (for testing/PPC). There is a bug in date() for the regular ones that makes wordpress sad. any tips? |
| 14:10.40 | themill | suffe: isn't that bug in 5.2.10? |
| 14:10.46 | suffe | themill: yes |
| 14:10.51 | nimred | stew abrotman ? |
| 14:11.13 | themill | suffe: we'd really recommend using "stable" for production use for precisely this reason. |
| 14:11.15 | abrotman | nimred: either should still be fine |
| 14:11.30 | JyZyXEL | how do you make usb stick bootable? |
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| 14:11.50 | themill | suffe: But you can "/msg dpkg source" to manually apply the patch if you want to keep chasing testing. |
| 14:11.52 | suffe | themill: I'm well aware. I'm hard pressed to call it 'production use' though. It's more of a toy box |
| 14:11.53 | stew | JyZyXEL: you put something bootable on it |
| 14:12.06 | stew | nimred: either should be fine. if you had more ram I'd say amd64 |
| 14:12.07 | JyZyXEL | well i have the debian there |
| 14:12.12 | suffe | themill: ok. thanks |
| 14:12.24 | nimred | stew abrotman any good tutorial for newbies about installing X Window System ? |
| 14:12.30 | stew | nimred: "aptitude install xorg" |
| 14:12.32 | JyZyXEL | stew: grub wont go there |
| 14:12.37 | stew | JyZyXEL: why not? |
| 14:12.40 | JyZyXEL | sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/usb --no-floppy /dev/sda |
| 14:12.41 | JyZyXEL | grub-setup: warn: Your embedding area is unusually small. core.img won't fit in it. |
| 14:12.43 | JyZyXEL | grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and its use is discouraged. |
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| 14:13.04 | abrotman | Mark21: probably shouldn't be two |
| 14:13.08 | JyZyXEL | i have no idea what all that means |
| 14:13.29 | Mark21 | abrotman: probably yes, trying to fix it now |
| 14:14.49 | amyD | how do i install python 2.6 on debian lenny |
| 14:14.57 | suffe | themill: since you seemed to even know the specific version in question, do you know in what package the files dealing with it is? libapache2-mod-php5 or php5-common? |
| 14:15.22 | themill | suffe: they're all out of the same source package |
| 14:16.07 | suffe | themill: I was thinking about downgrading that specific package. but I guess I should take them all instead of mucking about |
| 14:16.32 | Mark21 | abrotman: removing 1 gateway did fix it |
| 14:16.57 | stew | amyD: do you really need 2.6? 2.5 won't do? |
| 14:17.01 | Mark21 | thank you for pointing me in the right direction |
| 14:17.12 | abrotman | Mark21: now .. why did you have two to begin with ... |
| 14:17.48 | amyD | stew:some applications i have require 2.6 |
| 14:18.29 | alcohol | isn't 2.6 stable already? |
| 14:18.31 | kosmic | there is no chkconfig here |
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| 14:18.35 | kosmic | what do i use? |
| 14:18.38 | Mark21 | in the past my /etc/network/interfaces file was wrong (with 2 times gateway 213.189.17.3), 1 time under eth0 and 1 time under eth0:1 (different IP in the same subnet) |
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| 14:20.30 | paissad-hp | hi everybody |
| 14:20.31 | paissad-hp | i would like to know if it's possible to send a signal to a process in order to make it run faster ? |
| 14:20.40 | asg | paissad-hp: man renice |
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| 14:20.56 | amyD | is it recommenedd for someone who uses debian for development use debian testing "squeeze" or debian stable "lenny" |
| 14:21.00 | JyZyXEL | man grub sucks |
| 14:21.08 | JyZyXEL | is lilo still alive? |
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| 14:21.51 | rudi_s | amyD: What kind of development? Stable works fine most of the time. |
| 14:22.03 | themill | JyZyXEL: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 14:22.18 | amyD | rudi_s: database development with postgresql, java, perl and python |
| 14:23.07 | themill | amyD: personally, I never use anything out of the latest and greatest versions in development because I know that the end user will also have these sorts of problems. Develop with the same version as the end-user is going to have (i.e. "stable"). |
| 14:23.21 | rudi_s | amyD: Stable should be fine (I don't know much about java though). |
| 14:23.44 | amyD | ok |
| 14:23.44 | JyZyXEL | themill: those instructions are horrible outdated |
| 14:24.18 | themill | JyZyXEL: how? (they shouldn't be) |
| 14:24.31 | tzafrir_laptop | Asking if lilo is still alive on Freenode. Hmm. |
| 14:24.35 | JyZyXEL | themill: i tried stick made with those and it wouldn't boot with any of my machines |
| 14:24.44 | themill | JyZyXEL: that was fast |
| 14:25.07 | JyZyXEL | hows so |
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| 14:27.47 | pred2k3 | hi, is there a cross os monitoring tool which isnt web based`? |
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| 14:28.17 | tzafrir_laptop | pred2k3, you mean: that has other control interfaces? |
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| 14:28.25 | tzafrir_laptop | Or other reporting interfaces? |
| 14:28.32 | abrotman | pred2k3: snmp isn't good enough ? |
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| 14:29.28 | JyZyXEL | legacy grub worked |
| 14:29.46 | JyZyXEL | so what now? |
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| 14:29.53 | JyZyXEL | is it ready to be booted? |
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| 14:33.14 | pred2k3 | apart from snmp would be good |
| 14:33.41 | JyZyXEL | so where the hell do i point grub to boot when its a USB drive |
| 14:33.47 | JyZyXEL | root (hd0,0) |
| 14:33.49 | JyZyXEL | ? |
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| 14:36.17 | jelly | your isb drive is likely not hd0, but hd<somethingelse> |
| 14:36.20 | jelly | usb* |
| 14:36.28 | JyZyXEL | yea who knows |
| 14:37.37 | JyZyXEL | fuck this shit |
| 14:37.46 | JyZyXEL | im using unetbootin |
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| 14:38.51 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: hd0 is usually the first drive in the hardware - your usb will be something else |
| 14:39.17 | JyZyXEL | yea and who knows what the hell its gonna be |
| 14:39.38 | NiveusLuna | sda or sdb in my experience |
| 14:39.39 | jpinx | it's not hard to rotate through a few numbers in grub edit mode |
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| 14:40.37 | themill | JyZyXEL: some things you've got to find out yourself since our esp-over-internet isn't working so well today |
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| 14:41.19 | JyZyXEL | well i boot to USB and i get a black screeen |
| 14:41.35 | JyZyXEL | thats how great debootstrap worked |
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| 14:42.40 | JyZyXEL | oh look there is a No operating system found |
| 14:42.53 | EugenMayer | iam trying to lock down a user into a chroot shell. Now i need somehow to recompile su into his direcory /bin..how would i do this under debian? |
| 14:43.20 | djj | wouldn't ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ give a good hint on correct drive? |
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| 14:46.11 | stew | JyZyXEL: realize that debootstrap doesn't create a bootable system. you still have to do stuff like add a kernel, edit /etc/hostname, /etc/fstab, /etc/network/interfaces, etc |
| 14:46.22 | JyZyXEL | what the hell |
| 14:46.30 | JyZyXEL | i didn't want that |
| 14:46.36 | stew | sorry |
| 14:46.39 | JyZyXEL | i wanted something that makes a bootable full system |
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| 14:47.01 | stew | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 14:47.07 | themill | [14:45] <themill> JyZyXEL: depends on what you mean by "it", "everything" and "automatically". It is a tool with a defined purpose and plenty of documentation that you are free to read. |
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| 14:48.47 | JyZyXEL | i wanna have a bootable debian on my usb stick |
| 14:49.52 | JyZyXEL | im gonna try the unetbootin |
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| 14:50.42 | clearscreen | dont forget to install mtools |
| 14:50.42 | JyZyXEL | aw fuck |
| 14:50.45 | JyZyXEL | thats meant for live systems |
| 14:50.51 | bob489 | hi, looking for a file system like ext3cow... basically just want to snapshot some stuff... anyone know of anything like this in debian? |
| 14:50.53 | JyZyXEL | i don't wanna have a live linux |
| 14:50.59 | JyZyXEL | i wanna have a real linux in a stick |
| 14:51.07 | JyZyXEL | whats the tool to make one of those? |
| 14:51.32 | bob489 | JyZyXEL: there are some problem with doing that.... |
| 14:51.33 | JyZyXEL | what problem |
| 14:51.39 | bob489 | JyZyXEL: flash has a limited number of write cycles |
| 14:51.52 | JyZyXEL | how limited? |
| 14:51.53 | bob489 | JyZyXEL: after a long period of time it will break |
| 14:52.02 | JyZyXEL | how long? |
| 14:52.18 | abrotman | it's not a period of time, it's a number of writes |
| 14:52.29 | JyZyXEL | number that is? |
| 14:52.39 | stew | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:52.42 | bob489 | JyZyXEL: I don't recall exactly, it depends on your usage and the device you are using... but if you look at debian live, they have a persistant home... |
| 14:53.00 | JyZyXEL | i want persistant everything |
| 14:53.03 | JyZyXEL | a real system |
| 14:53.10 | cahoot | cut in stone |
| 14:53.22 | stew | JyZyXEL: "/msg dpkg ig" is the install guide |
| 14:53.24 | bob489 | JyZyXEL: have you ever seen how fast a system runs from a ramdisk? |
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| 14:53.49 | JyZyXEL | i don't wanna ram system cause its gonna vanish when i lose power |
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| 14:54.42 | JyZyXEL | i want the system in USB stick instead of a big and noisy HD |
| 14:55.36 | \amethyst | AIUI, USB sticks are usually fairly cheap flash, without much in the way of wear levelling |
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| 14:55.52 | JyZyXEL | so i just change the stick now and then |
| 14:56.07 | stew | sure |
| 14:56.18 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: you can do an install onto the usb stick with the standard installer |
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| 14:56.42 | JyZyXEL | guess ill attach a cdrom drive to the machine then |
| 14:56.46 | JyZyXEL | so i can run the standard installer |
| 14:56.54 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: netinstall |
| 14:57.07 | JyZyXEL | yea netinstall comes on a cd |
| 14:57.25 | \amethyst | or there's debootstrap |
| 14:57.29 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: I think you are mistaken |
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| 14:57.40 | abrotman | just let him do what he's doing .. he refuses to learn or read |
| 14:57.41 | stew | it can be run from a cd or a hard drive or a usb stick, etc |
| 14:58.04 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: if you have 2 usb slots you put the netinstall image on one and install the system onto another |
| 14:58.04 | JyZyXEL | i can't run the netinstaller from the same stick im installing the system to |
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| 14:58.12 | stew | JyZyXEL: why not? |
| 14:58.14 | Jvlaple | www.winterrowd.com/megan-fox-naked/ |
| 14:58.17 | Jvlaple | :) |
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| 14:58.23 | stew | err |
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| 14:58.52 | JyZyXEL | cause its hard |
| 14:59.11 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: go and read the installation guide in debian.org |
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| 14:59.28 | JyZyXEL | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 14:59.29 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: almost anything is possible if you really want it |
| 14:59.32 | JyZyXEL | see its a CD D: |
| 14:59.40 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: wrong |
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| 15:00.09 | JyZyXEL | A "network install" or "netinst" CD is a single CD which enables you to install the entire operating system. This single CD contains just the minimal amount of software to start the installation and fetch the remaining packages over the Internet. |
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| 15:00.16 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 15:00.18 | JyZyXEL | this is from debian.org |
| 15:00.21 | stew | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 15:00.32 | stew | JyZyXEL: it says how to use this image from other media in the install guide |
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| 15:01.11 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: section 4.3 in particular |
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| 15:01.33 | JyZyXEL | yea but you see i tried all the stuff from that chapter |
| 15:01.38 | JyZyXEL | and it wouldn't create a bootable stick |
| 15:01.43 | lindenle | Anyone using ext4? Is it a real speed increase over ext3? |
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| 15:02.14 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: which, the easy way or the flexible way? |
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| 15:02.19 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: if the eas way doesn' |
| 15:02.36 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: if the easy way doesn't make your device bootable, your system can't boot from USB |
| 15:02.51 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: make sure you write it to the whole disk, not partition 1 |
| 15:03.03 | JyZyXEL | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX |
| 15:03.19 | JyZyXEL | that shit should be bulletproof |
| 15:03.23 | JyZyXEL | well it didn't work |
| 15:03.34 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ssd_write_limit |
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| 15:04.11 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: did you then mount it as FAT and copy the netinst onto it? |
| 15:04.33 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 15:04.35 | JyZyXEL | i tried to boot it |
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| 15:04.48 | JyZyXEL | or i don't remember anymore |
| 15:04.59 | JyZyXEL | i tried copying too |
| 15:05.07 | JyZyXEL | i tried everything |
| 15:05.45 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: obviously not |
| 15:05.48 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: then you might need a CD or a hard drive just for booting |
| 15:06.15 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: did you check your bios for the ability to boot froma USB device? |
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| 15:07.39 | JyZyXEL | sticks made with unetbootin always boot |
| 15:07.59 | jpinx | not if your bios doesn't support it |
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| 15:10.45 | iloveyou | Hi, my perfectly working system stopped working when I upgraded my motherboard. When I try to boot, it just sits there going "Waiting for root file system..." |
| 15:11.24 | stew | iloveyou: sounds like your root= line is pointing at the wrong device. Perhaps what used to be /dev/sda is not /dev/sdc or something similar |
| 15:12.16 | iloveyou | stew: I suspected as much, but I don't know how to fix it. |
| 15:12.16 | jpinx | iloveyou: try using the grub edit facility |
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| 15:14.02 | JyZyXEL | ill just install from CD to the USB |
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| 15:16.02 | darko | hello. sorry to bother with beginners question, but cant get my way round net. well, i downloaded stable lenny, and now i want to move to testing. how can i do it most safely and effiiently? thnx |
| 15:16.34 | jpinx | darko: learn about lenny first - add backports for more recent package versions if needed |
| 15:16.39 | JyZyXEL | thats the real way to install shit |
| 15:16.50 | themill | darko: upgrading to testing isn't a beginner's question at all. If you have to ask, then you shouldn't do it just yet. |
| 15:16.55 | jpinx | darko: testing is not for beginners ;) |
| 15:17.03 | kraut | moin |
| 15:17.31 | clearscreen | darko: if you're feeling adventurous though, just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list from lenny to squeeze, comment out the volatile lines, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:17.32 | darko | ok, thnx all, but there are newer packages, and i want to get them. for example, openoffice |
| 15:17.34 | maligor | it depends, if it's not a production machine what does it really matter |
| 15:17.43 | darko | ok |
| 15:17.49 | darko | now that was an answer |
| 15:17.49 | jpinx | darko: use backports |
| 15:17.57 | themill | darko: OOo3 is on backports.org. |
| 15:18.01 | darko | i wanted to know what is the next version |
| 15:18.04 | darko | so |
| 15:18.11 | jpinx | !testing |
| 15:18.11 | maligor | all the really bad bugs should be hit in sid anyway :P |
| 15:18.11 | dpkg | i guess testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 15:18.17 | darko | i just edit my sources.list to next version? |
| 15:18.21 | stew | "should" |
| 15:18.24 | jpinx | darko ^^ |
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| 15:18.32 | clearscreen | darko: if you're feeling adventurous, yes :P |
| 15:18.33 | themill | darko: and remember that clearscreen has now volunteered to be your personal 24/7 support service for when you hit bad bugs in testing. |
| 15:18.44 | jpinx | darko at your own risk and don't come back here telling us you have problems :p |
| 15:18.45 | themill | maligor: "testing is called testing for a reason" |
| 15:18.47 | stew | darko: if you do this, which we don't recommend, you we'd recommend using aptitude not apt-get |
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| 15:18.59 | clearscreen | themill: hey, i put a pretty disclaimer at the start :( |
| 15:19.09 | darko | ok. thnx. but why aptitude and not apt-get? |
| 15:19.16 | jpinx | clearscreen: advice against policy is not welcome |
| 15:19.19 | maligor | themill, I guess I'm in serious danger running sid then, heh |
| 15:19.20 | stew | darko: its better at dependency resolution |
| 15:19.23 | jpinx | !why aptitude |
| 15:19.23 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 15:19.43 | toolz | is there a 64bit debian net install cd? |
| 15:19.44 | jpinx | darko: ^^ |
| 15:19.45 | JyZyXEL | fuckkkk |
| 15:19.51 | stew | toolz: yes |
| 15:19.53 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know what the username for the SSH installer is? |
| 15:19.53 | maligor | it's always a tad annoying when grub, login, bash or whatever breaks tho |
| 15:19.59 | darko | jpinx, ok. i quite get it. |
| 15:20.02 | JyZyXEL | i missed it |
| 15:20.04 | stew | JyZyXEL: which ssh installer? |
| 15:20.07 | toolz | stew, can I get a download link I cant find for 64 bit |
| 15:20.10 | JyZyXEL | the one on the debian installer |
| 15:20.14 | JyZyXEL | its got SSH remote install module |
| 15:20.18 | stew | toolz: go to debian.org and click on "getting debian" |
| 15:20.20 | JyZyXEL | it asks you to login with some username |
| 15:20.21 | jelly | Hi, I want to add timestamps to a process' stdout and log it to a file, is there some utility that already does this? |
| 15:20.25 | JyZyXEL | what username is it? |
| 15:20.38 | darko | and yes, i am feeling adventurous, cause i back up my files regularly |
| 15:20.54 | stew | dpkg: why aptitude =~ s/, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies// |
| 15:20.54 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 15:20.54 | toolz | stew, ok and which one is |
| 15:21.02 | stew | toolz: amd64 is probably the one you want |
| 15:21.09 | jelly | Preferably it should exist in sarge - lenny. And not be syslog. |
| 15:21.22 | jpinx | stew does this mean aptitude makes deborphan redundant? |
| 15:21.22 | JyZyXEL | its installer! |
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| 15:22.15 | iloveyou | /dev/sda still seems to be /dev/sda, and it looks like it was trying to use uuid's anyway, aren't they immune to those sorts of changes? |
| 15:22.15 | stew | jpinx: yes, (and apt-get also has "apt-get autoremove" starting in lenny) |
| 15:22.17 | toolz | stew, can I install i386 and the install a linux package to switch to amd64? |
| 15:22.41 | jpinx | stew - cool - one less thing I have to do when installing stuff |
| 15:22.47 | stew | toolz: no, there isn't an easy way to switch an install in-place from 32 bit to 64 bit |
| 15:23.06 | toolz | stew, so amd64 is especially for 64bit |
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| 15:23.15 | stew | toolz: yes |
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| 15:23.22 | toolz | ok, thats what I needed to know |
| 15:23.23 | toolz | thanks |
| 15:23.25 | Titan8990 | stew, isn't it somewhat easy for an experience user to switch to a 64bit kernel in that situation? |
| 15:23.37 | Titan8990 | and keep the 32bit userspace |
| 15:23.38 | stew | Titan8990: yes |
| 15:23.40 | \amethyst | switching to a 64-bit kernel is easy |
| 15:23.41 | stew | Titan8990: sure |
| 15:23.49 | \amethyst | but you need more than that to run a 64-bit application |
| 15:23.58 | \amethyst | unless it's statically linked |
| 15:23.59 | Titan8990 | stew, just checking, something i have yet to try myself |
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| 15:24.51 | toolz | stew, debian-502a-amd64-netinst.iso should be fine for a net install 64bit? :) |
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| 15:25.15 | stew | toolz: yes |
| 15:25.22 | toolz | ok, thanks again |
| 15:25.25 | stew | np |
| 15:25.32 | themill | jelly: how ugly do you want? | perl -p -e 'printf "[%s] ", scalar(gmtime());' > logfile |
| 15:25.47 | stew | uglier please |
| 15:25.53 | themill | :) |
| 15:26.54 | riot | how do i find out the version of a library? |
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| 15:27.11 | \amethyst | jelly: Unix timestamp? |
| 15:27.40 | stew | riot: by looking at the filename? what library |
| 15:28.03 | iloveyou | the intricacies of grub are too esoteric for me. afaict, it should work, but it doesn't. I'm going to brute-force a solution by reinstalling. |
| 15:28.16 | riot | hmhm, i remember that there was a tool to extract nice info. General library, i'm trying to find out what versions some of my xorg-drivers are |
| 15:28.29 | stew | iloveyou: perhaps you just need to rebuild the initrd |
| 15:28.37 | stew | iloveyou: you could do this from a livecd |
| 15:28.56 | stew | actually if its getting to "waiting for root filesystem" its like a initrd problem |
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| 15:31.08 | Titan8990 | could just build in the storage controller drivers and forget about the initrd |
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| 15:31.35 | iloveyou | stew: how would I do this? I've just booted with a livecd. |
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| 15:33.00 | jelly | themill: I'm already doing that with bash $SECONDS |
| 15:33.17 | nimred | isn't there any emacs 23 binary available ? |
| 15:33.27 | jelly | \amethyst: human readable would be nicer, but I'm able to adapt themill's pipe |
| 15:33.37 | themill | jelly: that pipeline will give you a human readable timestamp |
| 15:33.49 | jelly | oh... I |
| 15:33.53 | \amethyst | jelly: my suggestion was going to be basically the same thing in bash, but the Perl will be faster |
| 15:33.57 | jelly | 've no idea what %s means |
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| 15:34.21 | themill | jelly: it's the scalar() around gmtime that makes it human readable. %s is just normal printf stuff |
| 15:34.21 | \amethyst | jelly: it's the scalar(gmtime()) that does the formatting |
| 15:34.35 | nimred | what is package name for firefox ? |
| 15:34.36 | themill | wantarray ftw! |
| 15:34.41 | themill | nimred: iceweasel |
| 15:34.44 | jelly | \amethyst: I'm not aware of bash being able to do nice timestamps except in PS1 or near that |
| 15:34.46 | pistache | nimred: iceweasel |
| 15:35.01 | nimred | and what about opera ? |
| 15:35.05 | \amethyst | jelly: it would have involved calling date on each line, hence the slowness |
| 15:35.23 | Vasistha | hey y'all. well, I messed up. I upgraded my kernel and then did an s2disk, now I'm trying to boot and it's telling me the kernel doesn't match the image, so it can't recover. I tried editing the grub entries to boot /vmlinuz.old and /initrd.img.old but I got the same error message |
| 15:35.25 | jelly | clear forgot about scalar()'s effect on closed timelike structs |
| 15:35.37 | \amethyst | jelly: it's not affecting the struct |
| 15:35.44 | pistache | nimred: nimred opera is not open source |
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| 15:35.48 | jelly | \amethyst: yeah, I can't afford to forkexec for each line |
| 15:35.48 | themill | jelly: doing it as a pipeline through perl seems easier. There's no forking for each line etc. |
| 15:35.56 | iloveyou | nimred: there must be a binary emacs23. I've been using one for a while, and I don't remember compiling it myself |
| 15:36.02 | \amethyst | jelly: rather, gmtime() returns something different depending on whether the caller expects an array or a scalar |
| 15:36.04 | g00se | mlocate is preferable to locate isn't it? |
| 15:36.10 | themill | g00se: yes |
| 15:36.22 | jelly | \amethyst: it's ugly whatever the way it works :-) |
| 15:36.38 | g00se | themill: BUT - i don't want perm-sensitivity - is it possible to turn that off? |
| 15:37.14 | jelly | changes backup.sh to do "| perl" instead of "| while read line" |
| 15:37.47 | \amethyst | jelly: btw, doesn't matter here since you changed it, but that should usually be | while IFS='' read -r line |
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| 15:37.55 | themill | g00se: don't believe so |
| 15:38.10 | \amethyst | jelly: IFS='' keeps read from stripping leading/trailing whitespace; and -r keeps it from mangling backslashes |
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| 15:38.36 | g00se | themill: Oh dear, i don't want to be seeing a partial fs as a normal user |
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| 15:39.52 | \amethyst | g00se: so you want the user to be able to see things in locate that they can't see directly? |
| 15:40.47 | themill | g00se: it shows you all the files that you'd have access to anyway.... (and you could always use it with sudo or mark /usr/bin/mlocate as suid root *gasp* if you need to see things that you can't touch anyway) |
| 15:41.30 | jelly | goes with localtime() and makes the log ambiguous |
| 15:41.33 | g00se | \amethyst: Yes. I don't want censorship. That should happen if a normal user (me) tries to access something he's seen through locate |
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| 15:41.57 | themill | bad jelly! |
| 15:42.00 | \amethyst | g00se: wait, so you want the user to be able to *access* those files too, regardless of permission? |
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| 15:42.21 | g00se | \amethyst: No! |
| 15:42.22 | themill | g00se: there are many places where being able to see that a file exists is also not a good thing |
| 15:42.23 | jelly | themill: I wonder if -p makes the output automagically line buffered |
| 15:42.35 | jelly | ... input, too |
| 15:42.52 | themill | jelly: I think so, but you could always set $|=1 in the script if needs be |
| 15:43.09 | g00se | themill: I would put that into the 'security through obscurity' bin ;-) |
| 15:43.14 | jelly | ooh, and I can get rid of grep -v in the pipe! bonus! |
| 15:43.31 | \amethyst | g00se: but you want the user to be able to list the contents of every directory regardless of the directory permission? |
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| 15:43.50 | jelly | themill: now to make junior admins manually update the scripts on 150 machines :-D |
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| 15:43.54 | \amethyst | g00se: or you want them to be able to list such contents with locate but not directly? |
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| 15:44.17 | g00se | \amethyst: Yes, effectively there would be execute permissions on all dirs. It's only ME actually ;-) |
| 15:44.22 | themill | g00se: hardly. Information disclosure is something that is also bad in some circumstances. Is /etc/shadow security by obscurity too? |
| 15:44.24 | \amethyst | g00se: execute and read |
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| 15:44.59 | g00se | \amethyst: Yes, but not files |
| 15:45.07 | lumis | anyone have any ideas as to why Xorg refuses to see the Artwiz fonts I've installed? Tried both the Debian package and the tarball from the site. Extracted the fonts to /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc and run fc-cache -f -v, restarted X and still nothing sees them. Something I'm missing?# |
| 15:45.21 | \amethyst | g00se: well, you could always chmod o+rx them all |
| 15:45.58 | g00se | thinks that taking the sudo option, possibly via an alias or script is the least bad option |
| 15:46.07 | g00se | Thanks guys |
| 15:46.08 | \amethyst | g00se: or setfacl -m 'u:goose:rx' |
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| 15:47.41 | JordiGH | Is it possible to make apt use an ssh SOCKS proxy? |
| 15:47.45 | andy_js | how do I go about submitting patches? |
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| 15:48.48 | abrotman | andy_js: is there a bug to match it to ? |
| 15:48.59 | themill | JordiGH: not that I know of, other than using tsocks around it. |
| 15:49.09 | andy_js | abrotman: they are gnu/solaris patches |
| 15:49.19 | andy_js | hopes they will be accepted |
| 15:49.21 | abrotman | andy_js: you realize this is #debian, right ? |
| 15:49.24 | JordiGH | themill: Hm, looks like the problem isn't only with apt, but thanks. |
| 15:49.25 | andy_js | yep |
| 15:49.40 | abrotman | andy_js: i suspect you're asking the wrong place? .. maybe #nexenta ? |
| 15:50.14 | andy_js | was hoping to get them a bit futher upstream than that |
| 15:50.16 | \amethyst | abrotman: unless andy_js is talking about adding a Solaris architecture to Debian, but that would be more than just patches |
| 15:50.27 | \amethyst | andy_js: patches to what packages? |
| 15:50.33 | andy_js | gcc |
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| 15:50.52 | abrotman | so if you want them upstream, why not straight to gcc ? |
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| 15:51.15 | themill | is still trying to figure out how debian fits in |
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| 15:51.26 | andy_js | the problem is not with gcc, but the gcc package |
| 15:51.31 | JordiGH | Hm, I can ping websites, I can apparently resolve their hostnames, but I can't connect to them. |
| 15:51.33 | abrotman | themill: i think he's using nexenta .. which uses apt ? |
| 15:51.37 | JordiGH | I can ssh, though. |
| 15:51.56 | JordiGH | I'm talking to you guys through an ssh SOCKS proxy right now. |
| 15:51.57 | \amethyst | andy_js: if this is something in the packaging that would affect Debian systems and not just Nexenta, then I'd say bugs.debian.org |
| 15:52.31 | themill | JordiGH: http proxy in the way? |
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| 15:52.47 | \amethyst | andy_js: otherwise, either the nexenta bug tracker, or upstream (http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html) |
| 15:52.55 | JordiGH | themill: Hm, I can't use irssi without using the SOCKS proxy either. |
| 15:53.00 | JordiGH | themill: So not http. |
| 15:53.11 | andy_js | I'm just wondering whether debian will accept patches for gnu/solaris without actually officially supporting it |
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| 15:53.28 | themill | JordiGH: it's not uncommon that direct access to certain ports is limited and 6667 and 80 are often limited |
| 15:53.40 | andy_js | if they would, that would be great |
| 15:53.48 | JordiGH | themill: I'm sure port 80 isn't limited... |
| 15:53.53 | JordiGH | andy_js: Debian generally doesn't fork maintained software. |
| 15:54.10 | JordiGH | andy_js: Asking Debian to fork gcc... not gonna happen. |
| 15:54.14 | andy_js | JordiGH: huh? |
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| 15:54.17 | \amethyst | JordiGH: err, adding a patch is not forking |
| 15:54.30 | \amethyst | JordiGH: and Debian maintains plenty of patches against maintained software |
| 15:54.36 | themill | debian also doesn't like to carry around huge patch sets if possible |
| 15:54.38 | \amethyst | andy_js: Probably not, since GNU/Solaris isn't even an unsupported Debian architecture |
| 15:54.40 | andy_js | most of the patches affect things like configure args, similar to what is there for hurd |
| 15:54.45 | themill | (see dsa1571 for a reason why) |
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| 15:55.24 | themill | JordiGH: many universities require that you use www-cache.mcgill.ca:8080 or similar as an http proxy. (and if you don't explicitly set it, they force you through a transparent proxy which is even worse) |
| 15:55.40 | JordiGH | themill: Huh? |
| 15:55.54 | JordiGH | themill: What does McGill have to do with it? |
| 15:55.54 | Newbie16 | hi |
| 15:55.57 | \amethyst | andy_js: if Debian decides to add GNU/kSolaris as an architecture, they'll probably start using a large subset of Nexenta's patches anyway |
| 15:56.02 | Newbie16 | do debian kernels have /proc/config.gz? |
| 15:56.06 | Newbie16 | it seems to have been removed |
| 15:56.15 | themill | JordiGH: that's your current IP according to freenode... |
| 15:56.18 | \amethyst | andy_js: so your best bet is to submit to Nexenta, or to upstream |
| 15:56.20 | jelly | \amethyst: what's wrong with Solaris' libc anyway! |
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| 15:56.48 | JordiGH | themill: Yeah, because I'm going through an ssh SOCKS proxy. My problem right now is about trying to connect *without* that ssh connection. |
| 15:56.51 | AlteKiet | How can I change the width of columns in the output of commands (like last) in bash. Strings get truncated... |
| 15:57.05 | \amethyst | jelly: I'm not the one running GNU/Solaris |
| 15:57.11 | jelly | (the difference between GNU/kSolaris and GNU/Solaris) |
| 15:57.29 | \amethyst | jelly: well, I mean Indiana has a lot of GNU stuff these days, but it uses the osol libc at least |
| 15:57.40 | themill | JordiGH: right... so you're on some other network now. Take what I just said about the http proxy and s/mcgill/whereever.you.are.now/ |
| 15:58.18 | JordiGH | themill: This network doesn't require a proxy... someone else is using this same connection without a proxy. Also, I can ping hosts and resolve their DNS. |
| 15:58.24 | JordiGH | Er, thei name. |
| 15:58.44 | Newbie16 | does debian have YAFFS support? |
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| 15:59.01 | JordiGH | themill: I just need more ideas to test what could be wrong... |
| 15:59.04 | themill | JordiGH: pinging and resolving hostnames will still work even if a proxy is required. It tells us nothing. That someone else can use it without a proxy is a good sign though |
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| 16:00.13 | pav5088 | I've installed a webapp which has put a config file in apaches conf.d. This webapp is only serving on port 80 and I want it only serving on 443... What's the recommended way to do this? |
| 16:00.24 | pav5088 | (ie. debian way) |
| 16:00.28 | JPT | isn't 443 for ssl? |
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| 16:00.51 | jelly | Newbie16: if you know the CONFIG_ parameter and it's enabled, "/msg judd kconfig YAFFS" or similar will tell you about it |
| 16:01.11 | pav5088 | JPT : I want the web app working over https |
| 16:01.22 | JordiGH | themill: What's your tsocks idea? |
| 16:01.31 | JPT | then you need to change its settings.. moving the port won't help |
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| 16:01.39 | jelly | JordiGH: LD_PRELOAD a wrapper to make all tcp go over socks |
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| 16:02.17 | themill | JordiGH: well... "aptitude install tsocks" is the first step :( |
| 16:02.21 | JordiGH | jelly: Wait... are you telling me to recompile glibc? |
| 16:02.31 | jelly | JordiGH: most definitely not |
| 16:02.37 | themill | JordiGH: no, tsocks just does what jelly suggested |
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| 16:02.50 | g00se | find there's actually -l, --require-visibility in mlocate updatedb |
| 16:02.53 | jpinx | can anyone tell me why an application started with :~application & dies when I close that terminal? |
| 16:03.02 | JordiGH | I forget how to make apt tell me which file it can't fetch. |
| 16:03.05 | jelly | themill: there's at least one other: /usr/bin/socksify in dante-client |
| 16:03.14 | themill | g00se: there is? lenny? |
| 16:03.23 | themill | JordiGH: --print-uris |
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| 16:03.35 | Newbie16 | jelly: CONFIG_YAFFS_FS wasn't in the lenny kernel but i didn't expect it to be, i want to see if its in 2.6.30-6 |
| 16:04.04 | themill | Newbie16: add "--release sid" or "--release trunk" to your message to judd |
| 16:04.11 | JordiGH | themill: apt-get? |
| 16:04.25 | themill | jelly: yeah. never used it. But since the point is to use this with apt, installing is an issue |
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| 16:04.49 | jelly | hmm, catch 22 |
| 16:04.53 | Newbie16 | :'( |
| 16:05.17 | themill | JordiGH: yes |
| 16:05.23 | JordiGH | Alright, fetched it through ssh. |
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| 16:05.42 | jelly | Newbie16: if it's in upstream, it's likely configured. If it's still a patch, it's probably not there yet |
| 16:06.14 | Newbie16 | i guess i'll compile it myself |
| 16:06.22 | Newbie16 | thanks guys |
| 16:07.01 | JordiGH | Okay, now how do I use it? |
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| 16:07.39 | g00se | themill: Yes, lenny |
| 16:07.41 | themill | JordiGH: apropos tsocks ; vi /etc/tsocks.conf |
| 16:07.52 | themill | g00se: hmm... that's not listed in the man page |
| 16:08.14 | JordiGH | themill: You mean, "emacs /etc/tsocks.conf", of course. |
| 16:08.27 | themill | dpkg, start an editor war |
| 16:08.27 | dpkg | zile sucks |
| 16:08.57 | g00se | themill: Remind me how to output the man page as plain text and i'll pastebin mine |
| 16:08.59 | jelly | JordiGH: vi is a generic term for "decent editor" |
| 16:09.05 | JordiGH | jelly: O RLY |
| 16:09.24 | JordiGH | ln -s /usr/bin/emacs /usr/bin/vi |
| 16:09.29 | jelly | xeroxes JordiGH |
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| 16:10.34 | JyZyXEL | well i installed debian to USB drive and when i try to boot to it it says no operating system found |
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| 16:10.41 | themill | g00se: argh... man 8 updatedb vs man 1 updatedb.... :) |
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| 16:11.36 | g00se | themill: I must say the coexistence of mlocate/locate is a little confusing ;) |
| 16:11.37 | JordiGH | There we go. |
| 16:11.52 | JordiGH | For some reason, tsocks.conf wouldn't take localhost, I had to write 127.0.0.1 instead. |
| 16:12.02 | dutchfish | hi, when a package is broken beyond repair in stable, and someone send a fix, but it is not security related, when does this fix go into stable repo? (a critical one) |
| 16:12.03 | themill | g00se: yeah... I only have locate still around for dlocate |
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| 16:12.18 | themill | dutchfish: it can at the next point release, yes |
| 16:12.30 | dutchfish | themill, oh my god |
| 16:12.34 | g00se | themill: omg - don't tell me it can't depend on mlocate too! |
| 16:12.38 | dutchfish | themill, so stable wont get that? |
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| 16:13.03 | themill | dutchfish: it will, just at the next point release (i.e. lenny r4 / 5.0.4) |
| 16:13.21 | dutchfish | themill, i have 9 so far |
| 16:13.37 | dutchfish | themill, beside th eminors |
| 16:14.05 | JordiGH | themill: Thanks about letting me know about tsocks, this will be very useful. :-) |
| 16:14.05 | dutchfish | themill, ok, thanks i set up my own repo then for those |
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| 16:14.48 | themill | g00se: seems that squeeze has a newer version of dlocate that solves these problems... so one day locate can just go away and die |
| 16:15.22 | fredl | hi guys. I've had some problems with my LVM volumes and now I see an inactive volume with lvscan that's not in /dev/mapper. Any idea how I get it active and mounted? |
| 16:16.29 | themill | dutchfish: submit patches to the bts with reportbug and mark the bug as grave/serious etc with appropriate justification and suggest that the maintainer considers the patch for stable-proposed-updates for inclusion in the next point release. (note that they will have to discuss that with the release team) |
| 16:16.52 | dutchfish | themill, i am only talking about criticals .... |
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| 16:17.14 | themill | dutchfish: yep, you still need to do all of that |
| 16:17.21 | g00se | themill: That's good. I was looking forward to purging it |
| 16:17.32 | themill | :) |
| 16:17.32 | nimred | which way can i deinstall an application and its dependancies ? |
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| 16:17.58 | dutchfish | themill, ay, thank you for the info |
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| 16:19.03 | \amethyst | nimred: presumably you mean only the dependencies that aren't being used by something else? |
| 16:19.19 | themill | dutchfish: bugs.debian.org and debian policy have information about how to classify the seriousness of a bug. You need to carefully justify how the package is unusable for most people for a serious bug otherwise you can just end up in a bts-fight about whether the severity is overblown rather than getting the bug fixed |
| 16:19.46 | dutchfish | themill, of course thank you, i will do |
| 16:20.01 | nimred | \amethyst : yes i do |
| 16:20.30 | dutchfish | themill, i will send in test details along (proof of concept) |
| 16:20.38 | \amethyst | nimred: if you installed the package with apt-get, apt-get --auto-remove remove package |
| 16:20.54 | \amethyst | nimred: if you installed it with aptitude, aptitude remove package should be sufficient |
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| 16:21.20 | JordiGH | sd |
| 16:21.23 | JordiGH | fd |
| 16:21.25 | JordiGH | Huh.. |
| 16:21.28 | JordiGH | (sorry) |
| 16:21.28 | nimred | \amethyst : which way can i list all packages installed ? |
| 16:21.45 | \amethyst | nimred: dpkg -l | grep ^.i or aptitude search '~i' |
| 16:22.03 | Vasistha | nimred I think something like dpkg --list-packages ... can't recall off the top of my head right now. man dpkg, there's an option to do that |
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| 16:22.49 | \amethyst | nimred: aptitude search will show you (with an A in the third column) which ones aptitude thinks are automatically-installed |
| 16:23.06 | \amethyst | nimred: (and hence can be removed once all reverse dependencies are gone) |
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| 16:24.00 | fredl | uhm. is my question really difficult to answer? |
| 16:24.06 | fredl | lemme try again. |
| 16:24.08 | fredl | hi guys. I've had some problems with my LVM volumes and now I see an inactive volume with lvscan that's not in /dev/mapper. Any idea how I get it active and mounted? |
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| 16:27.51 | nimred | thanks \amethyst |
| 16:28.06 | JordiGH | how can I know which options a Linux module supports? |
| 16:28.13 | JordiGH | UTSL? |
| 16:28.47 | themill | modinfo modulename |
| 16:29.45 | JordiGH | Thanks. |
| 16:31.22 | JordiGH | compat-wireless is in Linux, right? |
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| 16:31.58 | JordiGH | Ubuntu seems to have fixed a wireless issue I have by, apparently, using a newer version of compat-wireless. I want to see which version I'm using. |
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| 16:33.28 | JordiGH | Their K release seems to fix this issue. |
| 16:33.38 | JordiGH | Karmic Kestrel or whatever it's called. |
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| 16:34.08 | vaib | kramnic koala i suppose |
| 16:34.15 | dkr | any idea why flash audio would be 10 times louder than songs I play through rhythmbox and videos through mplayer? |
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| 16:35.10 | dkr | my volume control lists two devices, one oss and one alsa mixer, but I have to nearly max both to make the latter audible |
| 16:35.52 | vaib | flash players often have voice control , may be u reduce sound in flash using that |
| 16:35.53 | Vasistha | dkr: there might be other alsa options elsewhere where the volume levels for certain inputs are turned way down |
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| 16:36.34 | Vasistha | dkr: are you using gnome or kde or another desktop? |
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| 16:36.49 | dkr | gnome, looking at alsamixer now |
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| 16:39.03 | Vasistha | dkr: yeah, that's a good place to start. gnome probably has a graphical mixer somewhere where you may be able to show some hidden fader levels. I'm fairly certain that the kde mixer enables me access to everything in alsamixer, though I could be wrong... |
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| 16:44.39 | lvh | anyone know if there's any FUSE support for udf? |
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| 16:45.27 | jelly | lvh: why fuse? |
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| 16:45.41 | lvh | jelly: Good question, I just used sudo mount -o loop and it worked fine. |
| 16:45.42 | jelly | (I don't know) |
| 16:46.03 | lvh | jelly: I guess because I used to use fuseiso/fuseiso9660 |
| 16:46.07 | lvh | jelly: for normal cd images |
| 16:46.12 | Jason| | Could someone assist me with bash real quick? Although I'm running Fedora, the support in #fedora seems tied up right now. |
| 16:46.22 | \amethyst | Jason|: have you tried #bash ? |
| 16:46.25 | lvh | Jason|: What's wrong with #bash |
| 16:46.25 | themill | Jason|: #bash might be more interested |
| 16:46.35 | Jason| | Oh, I'll go there haha |
| 16:46.36 | jelly | three idiots, one thought |
| 16:46.41 | jelly | hides |
| 16:46.42 | themill | dpkg: lart jelly |
| 16:46.42 | dpkg | steals jelly's mojo |
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| 16:48.17 | Vasistha | I am having trouble resuming from s2disk: http://paste.debian.net/45955/ |
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| 16:49.33 | jelly | Vasistha: was it created with the same kernel as the one that booted up this time? |
| 16:50.08 | jelly | this can happen if you upgraded the kernel and didn't reboot |
| 16:50.09 | Vasistha | jelly: I upgraded my kernel recently, should have rebooted but I accidentally hibernated X( |
| 16:50.39 | Vasistha | jelly: I tried booting kernel /vmlinuz.old and initrd /initrd.img.old but I got the same error ... anything else I can try? |
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| 16:50.55 | jelly | Vasistha: if you do not have the exact kernel used at hibernation time, forget it (discard the image and let it boot normally) |
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| 16:52.07 | jelly | this happens if you're a user of Debian stable, which happily overwrites the current kernel image at upgrade |
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| 16:52.26 | Vasistha | jelly: is there a way to figure out whether the kernel used at hibernation time exists somewhere? I had assumed that this kind of thing was exactly what /vmlinuz.old was for, but ... maybe there is one in /boot/ ... |
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| 16:52.45 | jelly | Vasistha: do you remember which kernel it was? |
| 16:52.58 | Vasistha | jelly: hmmm. well ... ... no. |
| 16:53.15 | Vasistha | jelly: I'm fairly certain it was 2.6.26-2 |
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| 16:53.37 | jelly | if you replaced it with a newer 2.6.26-2, the image cannot be recovered |
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| 16:54.12 | Vasistha | jelly: ah. yeah, I believe that's what the upgrade would have done. so ... should I go ahead and just hit 'Y' and let it fsck for a while, then? |
| 16:54.31 | jelly | yes. And it won't fsck if you have ext3, just replay the journal |
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| 16:55.08 | jelly | pretty much the same thing as if a powerfail happened |
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| 16:55.18 | Vasistha | *sigh* well, it isn't the first time. ouch, I had that "deleting unreferenced inode" crap ... that's where I lose data :P |
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| 16:55.54 | Vasistha | I need to make a proper hibernation script so I don't run into these snafus. |
| 16:56.53 | themill | Vasistha: I'm working on a wrapper for s2disk to catch this. current version (works, but a little inelegant) http://pastebin.ca/1557379 |
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| 16:57.17 | jelly | "oh noes, your kernel was upgraded do you really want to s2disk"? |
| 16:57.23 | themill | pretty much |
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| 16:58.10 | jelly | thinks Debian should figure a way to keep the previous kernel on upgrade, yes, even if it's the same version |
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| 17:01.41 | RFXC | hello all |
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| 17:02.48 | RFXC | I need some help setting up debian server |
| 17:03.45 | rudi_s | !tell RFXC about ask |
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| 17:13.17 | RFXC | where can I get help on networking |
| 17:13.29 | toolz | hey again.. I have some weird problem, I have a new pc, motherboard p5k premium and core 2 duo E8400 |
| 17:13.39 | toolz | I am trying to install debian 5.0.2a amd64 |
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| 17:13.58 | toolz | hard disk sata WD 750gb |
| 17:14.14 | toolz | I have reach the partitioning step, I have chosen guided to use the entire disk |
| 17:14.58 | toolz | now when I press yes when it asks me to write changes to disk it loads till 33%, remains there loads a bit more and then after some time keyboard leds start blinking and it stucks there |
| 17:15.06 | toolz | any idea what the heck is wrong with it? |
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| 17:15.15 | toolz | I tryed to restart and reload the process, same thing |
| 17:15.28 | toolz | sata hard disk |
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| 17:15.44 | avu | toolz, the blinking LEDs are indicator for a kernel panic |
| 17:16.08 | toolz | how can I see whats wrong with it I mean it does that when formatting the disk, stuck at 33% |
| 17:16.09 | avu | toolz, probably a hardware problem |
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| 17:16.32 | toolz | what hardware problem its all new, I had windows on it before without a problem |
| 17:16.49 | emorris | hi, i've got this debian box on the network, and in things like port scanners and router config panels, other computers come up with their host name. In Debian, what is it that dictates this, and what would I need to do to make it appear. Everything's on DHCP and it's a pain to keep having to guess ip addresses. Thanks |
| 17:16.50 | toolz | can I see if it shows any error anything |
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| 17:17.15 | Mark21 | toolz: do you use a hardware raid card? |
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| 17:19.14 | Gijs | hey all |
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| 17:19.27 | Gijs | How do i add a E-mail account (or do i need a package?) |
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| 17:20.40 | toolz | Mark21, no |
| 17:20.48 | toolz | how should I set sata in bios |
| 17:20.53 | toolz | AHCI |
| 17:20.57 | LeM` | out of interest |
| 17:21.06 | toolz | or ENHANCED IDE ? |
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| 17:21.52 | Gijs | huh? |
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| 17:23.48 | toolz | I have selected ahci in bios and now its loading at 33%, let me sii if it fails again |
| 17:24.20 | maligor | I'm running P5K somemodel with AHCI just fine |
| 17:24.23 | Gijs | How do i add a E-mail account (or do i need a package?) |
| 17:24.49 | maligor | and have for quite a while |
| 17:25.01 | Gijs | huh? |
| 17:25.24 | maligor | oh, that was for toolz |
| 17:25.26 | nsadmin | maligor is that because you have specific type of drives? |
| 17:26.06 | maligor | nsadmin, huh? |
| 17:26.07 | toolz | maligor loading @ 33% still no kernel panic |
| 17:26.13 | toolz | still.. hope it will pass it |
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| 17:26.58 | toolz | I have set AHCI in bios this time, before it was set to Enhanced IDE |
| 17:27.00 | toolz | YESSS it passed |
| 17:27.04 | toolz | screw IDE. |
| 17:27.08 | maligor | oh, right |
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| 17:27.17 | toolz | :D |
| 17:27.22 | maligor | I just use AHCI since I like NCQ |
| 17:27.26 | maligor | and it's a standard interface |
| 17:27.51 | maligor | couldn't imagine why IDE mode on intel chipsets would fail tho |
| 17:28.03 | toolz | I dont know |
| 17:28.18 | toolz | I think this is a very good motherboard |
| 17:28.22 | toolz | asus p5k premium |
| 17:28.28 | toolz | what do you say? |
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| 17:28.45 | toolz | ah you said you run same model |
| 17:28.54 | toolz | so I believe if you run it its good :) |
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| 17:29.28 | maligor | no, it's not Premium, Deluxe I think |
| 17:29.38 | nsadmin | maligor: I think the question was self-explanitory... but, I'll break it down if you like... |
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| 17:30.24 | nsadmin | maligor: does the bios setting toolz is asking about have to do with type of HD? |
| 17:30.35 | maligor | no, it's just the driver interface |
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| 17:30.59 | maligor | they both handle SATA |
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| 17:31.08 | dbbolton | i need some help diagnosing a kernel panic: http://i32.tinypic.com/2zqssxz.jpg . i'm 90% sure i have the right hard disk driver, and i built ext3 into the kernel. i also tried both "sda1" and "hda1" from grub. |
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| 17:31.18 | nsadmin | oh, ok... do each reqire a different kernel module? |
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| 17:31.32 | maligor | yes, Enhanced IDE uses some intel ide driver |
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| 17:31.41 | maligor | AHCI uses the generic sata_ahci |
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| 17:32.09 | toolz | amd64 installation shuld see all my 6gb of ram no? |
| 17:32.23 | maligor | toolz, if you have memory remap |
| 17:32.51 | nsadmin | amd64 kernel at least |
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| 17:33.05 | maligor | toolz, which is a bios option also |
| 17:33.12 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 17:33.25 | paxcoder | wish they'd fix the darned network manager applet. |
| 17:35.20 | jc3 | anyone familiar with programmatically interacting with X windows? specifically im trying to switch tabs in firefox in a virtual framebuffer (Xvfb) |
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| 17:37.55 | nsadmin | jc3 to do what? |
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| 17:39.13 | karme | jc3: maybe: xtest extension, xdotool |
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| 17:39.54 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 17:39.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:40.08 | jc3 | nsadmin, my web app takes automated screenshots of actual web pages, and im going to have multiple processes doing this, so i either need one FF window and be able to load and capture web pages from different tables, or from multiple windows. i just cant figure out how to arbitrarily switch windows |
| 17:40.28 | jc3 | sorry tabs*, not tables |
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| 17:42.08 | nsadmin | why is it doing screenshots rather than something like wget |
| 17:42.32 | jc3 | thx karme, xdotool seems like an option, just hope its doesnt become a fragile solution |
| 17:42.55 | jc3 | for display purposes, it shows the screenshot of the actual page next to search results if it cant determine a usable image thumbnail from the page |
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| 17:43.24 | jc3 | proving to be somewhat complex task to automate screenshotting ;) |
| 17:43.51 | karme | jc3: well - i did somthing similar some time ago - i would consider it a hack - and yes it is fragile |
| 17:44.17 | nsadmin | plus, screenshots miss the point of html, which is content separated from considerations of layout |
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| 17:44.58 | nsadmin | different browsers will render differently, and the same browser will render differently depending on things like font size and window size |
| 17:45.42 | karme | jc3: if your only purpose is to render html to some pixmap there should be better solutions |
| 17:45.54 | Gijs | How do i add a E-mail account (or do i need a package?) |
| 17:46.03 | karme | jc3: i used that hack to show how different browsers would render this |
| 17:46.09 | jc3 | yes these are thumbbed down fairly small so its not too big of a deal, its just that my app requires some kind of preview icon for every URL, if its a youtube link then it will use a stil thumb from the video, but if its a blog post, i need something to show, so i fall back on the screenshot of the page itself |
| 17:46.54 | toolz | [ 0.004000] Memory: 6124936k/7077888k available (2228k kernel code, 165616k reserved, 1081k data, 392k init) --- this means it saw all |
| 17:46.56 | karme | jc3: why not use some html rendering engine directly for that? |
| 17:47.20 | jc3 | is there something that exists? and as powerful as FF? |
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| 17:47.57 | nsadmin | jc3 to show on what? |
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| 17:48.45 | jc3 | you mean where do i display the screenshot? |
| 17:48.51 | karme | jc3: i would guess yes - at least it would be worth to search for it |
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| 17:48.58 | nsadmin | correct |
| 17:49.18 | karme | jc3: don't file managers these days produce html preview images? |
| 17:49.36 | ajavid | hello good day |
| 17:49.54 | ajavid | karme, konqueror probably does |
| 17:50.42 | jc3 | i thought i had seen some command line version of webkit but i cant find it |
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| 17:55.08 | ajavid | cli version of webkit rendering engine browser? |
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| 17:55.13 | ajavid | how is that even possible... |
| 17:55.21 | ajavid | cli is text based |
| 17:55.26 | fredl | hi guys. I've had some problems with my LVM volumes and now I see an inactive volume with lvscan that's not in /dev/mapper. Any idea how I get it active and mounted? |
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| 17:56.46 | karme | ajavid: would you consider latex a cli program? |
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| 17:57.26 | CaBa | hi |
| 17:57.32 | jc3 | CutyCapt seems promising, it still requires X server of course but it passes the HTML thru the webkit engine and directs the output to a file, hence bypassing the need to programmatically manipulate the "browser" GUI |
| 17:57.37 | ajavid | karme, i dunno |
| 17:57.38 | ajavid | !latex |
| 17:57.38 | dpkg | [latex] (pronounced la tech) a set of macros for the TeX document formatting system. awesome, or http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Typesetting/TeX/LaTeX/, or read The Not-So-Short Guide to LaTeX : http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/lshort/english/, or http://www.tex.ac.uk/, or #latex @ irc.freenode.net, or can be installed on debian via the texlive packages (aptitude search latex) |
| 17:57.58 | CaBa | can the &- redirection operator mentioned in the sh manpage be used in dash? |
| 17:58.16 | nsadmin | !tias |
| 17:58.16 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See"... or what you could have done first. |
| 17:58.33 | ajavid | not always |
| 17:58.38 | CaBa | nsadmin: well actually the result is not as expected :P |
| 17:58.44 | ajavid | try and it see, sometimes less kowledgable people hose systems that way |
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| 17:58.48 | ajavid | thats not really good universal advise |
| 17:59.03 | ajavid | I usually like to make sure about something before I do it. |
| 17:59.15 | fredl | well you don't tias on production servers usually. |
| 17:59.25 | CaBa | # echo hello >&- |
| 17:59.25 | CaBa | # id >&- |
| 17:59.25 | CaBa | id: write error: Bad file descriptor |
| 17:59.26 | ajavid | :) |
| 17:59.30 | ajavid | fredl, lets hope not |
| 17:59.43 | CaBa | so... somewhat... it does not _always_ work |
| 17:59.45 | CaBa | :P |
| 18:00.26 | fredl | hmm it would seem that my question about my LVM2 volume is indeed not easy to answer. |
| 18:00.30 | martianlobster | does anyone know how I can tell "calc", the command line math utility, to changes its output format to hex instead of decimal? |
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| 18:04.57 | nsadmin | CaBa: you might consider trying it as a plain user instead of as root |
| 18:05.11 | CaBa | i need to use it as root |
| 18:05.13 | Tuxist | hi a maintainer here ? |
| 18:06.02 | nsadmin | CaBa: is the operator you ask about different depending on user? |
| 18:06.17 | martin12345 | I have installed Debian squeeze and updated my sources.list file(added contrib and non-free repositories), but the problem is that I can't find kisket package. What's with it? Is it renamed in Debian? |
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| 18:06.37 | CaBa | nsadmin: not that i know of... sh simply states using "-" as filedescriptor in redirections will "close" the stream |
| 18:06.44 | martin12345 | "aptitude search kismet" gives only "libnet-akismet-perl" package |
| 18:07.09 | nsadmin | kisket? |
| 18:07.13 | CaBa | man sh: |
| 18:07.14 | CaBa | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.38 | nsadmin | and man dash? |
| 18:07.40 | martin12345 | nsadmin: sorry, Kismet |
| 18:08.17 | nsadmin | martin12345: maybe it's not in debian for some reason? |
| 18:08.32 | nsadmin | given that, you get the source and try to build |
| 18:08.36 | CaBa | nsadmin: says the same |
| 18:08.46 | AK|laptop | Pleased to report my first successful installation of Debian with GNOME. |
| 18:08.48 | martin12345 | looks like it's there for Lenny. Is it ok if I add lenny repository? |
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| 18:09.23 | nsadmin | and you're running, squeeze? |
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| 18:10.56 | martin12345 | nsadmin: yes |
| 18:11.13 | AK|laptop | What monospace fonts are available besides the standard monospace? I want something a little less wide. |
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| 18:12.12 | nsadmin | !why is kismet not in testing |
| 18:12.12 | dpkg | kismet is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=kismet |
| 18:12.15 | EugenMayer | i used make_chroot_jail to create a jail. now the user cant do a df -h because the ( i think ) the /dev interfaces are missing. How to fix this? |
| 18:13.20 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: you need to mount /dev (/proc and /sys might be reasonable, too) inside the chroot |
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| 18:14.02 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: possibly with e.g. mount --bind /dev chroot/dev |
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| 18:14.10 | CaBa | nsadmin: no, lenny |
| 18:14.12 | steffan | Hi - can someone take a look at http://pastebin.com/d592995ed an issue I'm having with php5 and Debian 5.0 |
| 18:14.16 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: just remember to unmount them before unmounting the chroot |
| 18:14.39 | CaBa | nsadmin: do me a favour and highlight me when you respond, i dont realize the message otherwise :P |
| 18:14.51 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: you should be aware that root can pretty trivially escape the chroot through /proc/1/cwd |
| 18:15.00 | LeM` | yo |
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| 18:15.15 | nsadmin | CaBa you're running lenny? |
| 18:15.18 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: (and even if you don't mount /proc, root can do so) |
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| 18:16.52 | nsadmin | martin12345 generally mixing dists is not recommended. |
| 18:16.55 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: likewise, if /proc is mounted, a non-root user who has processes running outside the chroot can escape the chroot with /proc/<pid>/root but 1. can't mount proc themselves 2. can't chroot to the real root, only access it |
| 18:17.09 | EugenMayer | \amethyst: well i just copied /etc/mtab and removed anything except /dev/md0 |
| 18:17.28 | EugenMayer | \amethyst: and made a symlink of /dev/md0 to the jail /dev ...and it worked |
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| 18:17.50 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: a symlink shouldn't work |
| 18:17.55 | EugenMayer | it is working |
| 18:18.11 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: what is the link pointing to? |
| 18:18.16 | LeM` | fun |
| 18:18.36 | EugenMayer | md0 -> /dev/md0 |
| 18:18.42 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: if you did ln -s /dev/md0 chroot/dev/ then you have a circular link inside the chroot |
| 18:18.44 | CaBa | nsadmin: hm, sorry, mixed terminal windows, the machine is running etch... and a half i assume |
| 18:18.49 | EugenMayer | so /home/jail/dev/md0 -> /dev/md0 |
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| 18:18.52 | Tuxist | i you promblems in debian i have build new packages ;-) |
| 18:19.03 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: but inside the chroot that's /dev/md0 -> /dev/md0 |
| 18:19.08 | CaBa | nsadmin: debian_version reports 4.0, uname -a has a etchnhalf in the kernel descriptor |
| 18:19.12 | Tuxist | for kvm and now i build a new one for virt-manager |
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| 18:19.20 | EugenMayer | \amethyst: hmm you are right but somehow, df works |
| 18:19.29 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: I guess df doesn't need the actual device node |
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| 18:19.39 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: does it work with the copied mtab but without that symlink? |
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| 18:19.58 | Tuxist | wrong channel srry |
| 18:20.08 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: if you changed two things at once, you don't know for sure which one fixed it, or if it was both |
| 18:20.13 | EugenMayer | \amethyst: a yes |
| 18:20.21 | EugenMayer | it does not need the symlink at all |
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| 18:20.41 | Patooool | Hello |
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| 18:21.16 | \amethyst | EugenMayer: if you do ls -H /dev/md0 inside the chroot you will see the "Too many levels of symbolic links" error |
| 18:22.38 | CaBa | nsadmin: am i interpreting anything wrong here? |
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| 18:25.00 | Patooool | sorry that disturbing but what kannale one can simply talk |
| 18:25.10 | \amethyst | Patooool: #debian-offtopic |
| 18:26.21 | bigfoot- | #flirt? :) |
| 18:26.39 | Patooool | thx |
| 18:26.44 | CaBa | hehe |
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| 18:27.03 | AK|laptop | How might I go about getting libnotify for Pidgin, or something similar, to notify me of new IMs? |
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| 18:28.14 | martin12345 | from which package I can find luClib++ or lstdc++ ? |
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| 18:29.19 | dkr | AK|laptop: pidgin has some notification plugins you can enable |
| 18:29.47 | AK|laptop | dkr: Yeah, normally libnotify comes with it by default, but I don't see it in the list. |
| 18:31.12 | paissad-hp | i have to files into /tmp that seem strange to me , does someone have any idea about them ? |
| 18:31.12 | azm | why the heck comrades from debian industry implants some Swfdec 0.6.0 when youtube does not work on it ? |
| 18:31.13 | paissad-hp | ls -l cmd fileyI82lj | pastebinit - |
| 18:31.13 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f39120694 |
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| 18:32.15 | paissad-hp | the first file 'cmd' is yellow coloured and the file 'filey*' est magenta coloured, just like image-picture files |
| 18:32.39 | paissad-hp | cat cmd or cat filey* show nothing |
| 18:32.55 | rsmith | dear aptitude genius: what's a command to *remove* build dependencies? |
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| 18:33.15 | markybob | rsmith, does exist |
| 18:33.17 | themill | rsmith: aptitude remove each individual package |
| 18:33.19 | markybob | rsmith, doesnt* |
| 18:33.46 | rsmith | themill: what if I lost the list in my terminal scroll history? |
| 18:34.25 | themill | rsmith: "apt-cache showsrc package" will show you what the build-deps were. Else check your aptitude log file |
| 18:34.57 | themill | or in the future, use a pbuilder/cowbuilder chroot or http://www.enricozini.org/2008/tips/undoable-aptget-builddep/ |
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| 18:38.14 | wamty | Does someone have a suggestion for a RAID 5 controller (no fakeraid) that works well under debian. I have been looking at Promise Highpoint and 3Ware. I need something that is fast and cheap. (if that combination exists) |
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| 18:38.50 | rsmith | themill: thanks! |
| 18:41.44 | nsadmin | wamty: what apps you plan on running? |
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| 18:42.03 | hark | another way would be to get them marked as automatically installed during the build-dep |
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| 18:46.04 | szed | hello! on debian 5 64bit where i can find the clock command/bin ? |
| 18:46.21 | wamty | any advice (for a very stupid person (me that is)) who actually believed that intel matrix raid was fast enough how to migrate to for example 3ware or another raid level?! ;) |
| 18:46.49 | simonrvn | szed: try `date` |
| 18:47.07 | simonrvn | and that isn't just for "debian 5 64bit", either... |
| 18:47.26 | nsadmin | wamty: what apps you plan on running? |
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| 18:50.10 | wamty | mostly audio edit, video stuff some developing etc etc... and also i would like a "test setup" for a potential upgrade to a webserver |
| 18:51.22 | nsadmin | so if you plan on running anything that does random access, raid5 doesn't perform well |
| 18:51.36 | wamty | ? |
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| 18:54.36 | wamty | So? |
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| 18:57.05 | szed | so any clue what i need to install to have the clock command? |
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| 18:57.51 | lafrance | hwclock or do man clock |
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| 18:58.55 | _budo | how you control the volume in debian lenny |
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| 18:59.00 | nsadmin | szed clock was renamed to hwclock |
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| 18:59.44 | szed | aha ok now |
| 18:59.46 | _budo | i'm through with linux |
| 18:59.58 | nsadmin | ok |
| 19:00.08 | _budo | linux is disorganized |
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| 19:01.25 | nsadmin | run whatever you want |
| 19:01.39 | lafrance | :) |
| 19:01.39 | markybob | nsadmin, your feelings arent hurt? :( i'm in tears |
| 19:01.50 | jelly-home | !comfort markybob |
| 19:01.51 | dpkg | There, there, markybob. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:02.02 | _budo | where is the volume control |
| 19:02.04 | jelly-home | see what you've done there... |
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| 19:02.13 | azm | _budo, add it |
| 19:02.23 | azm | add to panel |
| 19:02.24 | _budo | isnt is aumix ? |
| 19:02.28 | zinx | _budo: came on the standard gnome panel here |
| 19:02.34 | _budo | when i type aumix its not there |
| 19:02.41 | szed | i want the clock command that does this clock clicks -milliseconds . clock and hwclock don't seem the same |
| 19:02.43 | jelly-home | _budo: alsamixer |
| 19:02.49 | nsadmin | _budo: what sound driver do you use? |
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| 19:03.27 | nsadmin | wait, I thought you were through with linux... what do you plan to install in its place? |
| 19:03.47 | _budo | thank you jelly its alsamixer |
| 19:04.05 | _budo | well i wanted to run a server |
| 19:04.12 | nsadmin | oic, so your comment was meant as a request for help |
| 19:04.17 | _budo | but linux is just too difficult |
| 19:04.22 | fredl | hi guys. I've had some problems with my LVM volumes and now I see an inactive volume with lvscan that's not in /dev/mapper. Any idea how I get it active and mounted? |
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| 19:04.54 | nsadmin | _budo: if you don't put in the time to learn it, it's not going to magically download into your brain |
| 19:04.58 | _budo | linux is only for people that live and breathe 1s and 0s |
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| 19:05.21 | fredl | there's any such thing as 'too difficult' ??? |
| 19:05.25 | jelly-home | _budo: it is woefully unpolished. |
| 19:05.35 | arvind_khadri | i cant connect to internet on qemu, running a windows guest , is it due to the rtl8139 missing? |
| 19:05.40 | nsadmin | _budo: ahh, another comment meant to communicate "help me" |
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| 19:05.54 | jelly-home | _budo: this is nothing new, mind you. If you want a more polished experience, try ubuntu. |
| 19:05.54 | nsadmin | so run something eles |
| 19:06.04 | _budo | i will |
| 19:06.25 | fredl | however, if you want to do something somewhat complex on Ubuntu... |
| 19:06.31 | _budo | i dont know about you but nothing wrong with making your life run easier |
| 19:06.36 | fredl | don't expect much depth in the support either. |
| 19:06.45 | _budo | ive spent lot of time studying linux maybe 4-6 hrs a day |
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| 19:06.58 | fredl | _budo: wrong. Easier = worse. |
| 19:07.00 | nsadmin | _budo: like what? |
| 19:07.04 | d_b | I just plugged in a headset to use Skype but it's very quiet. The person can hear me whistling but not talking. I enabled the following: front mic, front mic boost, line-in, microphone, microphone boost. and all are on full. Any idea? I have an internal Intel sound card. |
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| 19:07.06 | _budo | and if its not organized and logically consistent. i dont want nothing to do with it |
| 19:07.38 | fredl | dont want nothing... |
| 19:07.42 | nsadmin | _budo: make a decision. |
| 19:07.44 | cahoot | so why are you still here? |
| 19:07.48 | fredl | you probably deserve windows. |
| 19:07.52 | _budo | we need to standardize linux and unix |
| 19:07.56 | markybob | commits suicide on hearing of _budo's departure |
| 19:07.57 | jelly-home | "we" |
| 19:08.00 | d_b | fredl: that's just mean. no one deserves that. |
| 19:08.42 | nsadmin | either you are going to run debian or not, and if not, everything you say will end up being offtopic here (on top of which you're purposely trolling right now) |
| 19:08.43 | fredl | there's nothing wrong with windows if you want an easy life without challenges *cough* *cough* |
| 19:08.45 | jelly-home | _budo: there are lots of standards already in place. Too many, in fact. |
| 19:09.01 | fredl | jelly-home, agreed. |
| 19:09.04 | nimred | anybody here running lenny on laptop with nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M ? |
| 19:09.18 | jelly-home | stops feeding the _budo |
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| 19:09.23 | d_b | nimred: ask what you want to know, not if anyone uses the same hardware |
| 19:09.37 | fredl | standards are like freedoms. If you have too many they start to conflict with the other ones and you're left having less than you had before. |
| 19:09.42 | _budo | i thought i was a computer nerd but its evident i'm not |
| 19:09.56 | cahoot | stop the trolling already |
| 19:10.01 | _budo | i dont have time to spend hrs and hrs upon hrs to fix little stuff |
| 19:10.01 | jelly-home | _budo: since you're using irc, you definitely qualify |
| 19:10.08 | fredl | stops feeding the troll. |
| 19:10.20 | adb | _budo, too hard ? go shopping .. |
| 19:10.24 | pipeline | _budo: there are already a plethora of UNIX standards, without which, nothing would build. |
| 19:10.27 | nimred | d_b ok i rewrite my question : did somebody get running lenny on laptop with nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M ? |
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| 19:10.32 | fredl | oh c'mon jelly-home, mIRC comes free with a toothbrush nowadays. |
| 19:10.37 | jelly-home | will fix all the little stuff for 50 EUR/hr |
| 19:10.42 | _budo | i apologize, i'm done |
| 19:11.07 | memic | how can i remove swap funtionality for a debian live system? |
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| 19:11.33 | d_b | nimred: you're still doing it :) did you have any problem or do you just want to know if it'll work? |
| 19:11.33 | fredl | _budo, lastly... sometimes complexity can hide the fact that there IS structure. You just have to look harder to find the structure. |
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| 19:11.52 | pipeline | memic: swapoff utility |
| 19:11.53 | _budo | agreed. |
| 19:12.01 | unj | Everytime I boot into gdm, I lose xsession after 10 seconds, I get an error that reads cannot find /etc/ati/ati-fglrx.sh I removed all packages but one: fglrx-glx |
| 19:12.14 | cahoot | memic: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 |
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| 19:12.15 | micheal | someone has expierience with rsync and can try to help me? |
| 19:12.27 | pipeline | unj: fglrx is trouble. Remove fglrx-glx. |
| 19:12.28 | unj | but I cannot remove the laste one with autoremove, or dpkg --remove, or --purge, it gives me sub-process error 1 |
| 19:12.30 | fredl | _budo: feel free to private message me if you want to vent some frustrations :) |
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| 19:13.23 | _budo | : ) |
| 19:13.23 | unj | pipeline: I have been trying man, I have been trying |
| 19:13.23 | unj | pipeline: how can I get this P.O.S. off my comp? |
| 19:13.23 | memic | pipeline yea i know but i dont want my live cd to search & mouint swap |
| 19:13.23 | pipeline | unj: purge, force-all |
| 19:13.23 | nimred | d_b i just want to know if it will work and if so what do i have to do to get it working... |
| 19:13.23 | pipeline | memic: oh, that's different |
| 19:13.23 | pipeline | memic: you do want it to mount swap. |
| 19:13.23 | jelly-home | fredl: eh, crap. There's tens - hundreds of little consistent-ish bits and pieces and tied together with tape and bubblegum. |
| 19:13.24 | memic | pipeline no ;) |
| 19:13.25 | pipeline | memic: it uses swap to back all the changes you make to its root filesystem |
| 19:13.32 | unj | pipeline: is that the exact syntax? sudo dpkg --purge force-all fglrx-glx? |
| 19:13.34 | pipeline | memic: so you will need some kind of a swap device or you're bone-diddly-owend. |
| 19:13.39 | pipeline | unj: read the man page |
| 19:13.40 | memic | i dont make changes |
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| 19:13.46 | memic | i just run 1 script |
| 19:13.49 | unj | pipeline: for dpkg? |
| 19:13.50 | d_b | nimred: try googling the laptop + linux or something. other than that your best bet is to just try it |
| 19:13.50 | pipeline | memic: tough shit, that's the way i tworks. |
| 19:13.52 | pipeline | unj: yes |
| 19:14.04 | memic | ram is enough |
| 19:14.10 | pipeline | micheal: ask a real question. One on one "someone help me" shit costs money haha |
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| 19:14.19 | memic | for this purpose |
| 19:14.19 | micheal | just try if some commands are working is deadly xD |
| 19:14.44 | fredl | well most commands work.... |
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| 19:14.44 | pipeline | memic: then you will need to alter the initrd and burn a new livecd, with an initrd that expects to mount a tmpfs backed by RAM to handle changes to the root fs |
| 19:14.46 | zaerath | Hey guys, does anyone know how to resolve a MySQL PID issue? #mysql isn't being helpful. |
| 19:14.47 | nimred | d_b google isn't very versatile about this subject :/ |
| 19:14.49 | micheal | try chown -R / www-iamnotdata |
| 19:14.50 | micheal | .) |
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| 19:14.56 | fredl | except some may do things you don't expect them to do :P |
| 19:14.58 | zaerath | I get this error: Starting MySQL.* Manager of pid-file quit without updating file. |
| 19:14.59 | d_b | nimred: then just try :) |
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| 19:15.03 | weissi | hi, is is possible to change a dynamic linked binary to a static one? |
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| 19:15.05 | pipeline | nimred: in general nvidia graphics work well; the only exception is macbook pros. |
| 19:15.15 | pipeline | weissi: no. |
| 19:15.15 | memic | pipeline my livecd mounts a swap if it finds one |
| 19:15.20 | micheal | please dont :) |
| 19:15.25 | fredl | zaerath, in my experience #mysql is one of the most helpfull and knowledgeable channels around.... |
| 19:15.27 | memic | if there is no swap partition it doesnt mount one |
| 19:15.32 | memic | so |
| 19:15.39 | memic | should be a problem |
| 19:15.52 | zaerath | fredl: Well, although they're great conversationalists, no one has offered any solution at all. Lol. |
| 19:16.17 | memic | i dont want it to search & mount swap |
| 19:16.19 | memic | thats it |
| 19:16.26 | memic | or i do a swapoff |
| 19:16.28 | fredl | yeah but this isn't really a good place to have a potentially long mysql related discussion. |
| 19:16.30 | memic | after boot |
| 19:16.37 | weissi | pipeline, why? I have all the libraries, there must be a way of "including" them to the binary, no? Is the problem perhaps the included dlopen/dlsym/dlclose/... code? |
| 19:16.38 | nimred | pipeline using wich driver ? |
| 19:16.58 | unj | pipeline: okay, now it says that fglrx-glx is not installed and in aptitude search fglrx they are all marked p or v except fglrx-glx which is marked "BpA", what elese would be referenceing /etc/ati/ati-fglrx.sh? (whihc is no longer a directory btw |
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| 19:17.06 | pipeline | weissi: dlopen is a different set of problems |
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| 19:17.23 | pipeline | nimred: nv will get you the basics; the nvidia and nvidia-legacy proprietary drivers do all kinds of fancy stuff. |
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| 19:17.43 | pipeline | unj: well, that's not pretty. Can't imagine. |
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| 19:17.57 | weissi | pipeline, could you be more specific, why can't it work to turn a dynamic binary into a static one? |
| 19:18.05 | unj | pipeline: argh!, thanks anyway |
| 19:18.31 | pipeline | weissi: I suppose it's not physically impossible. If you were sufficiently dilligent with a hex editor, it could be done. |
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| 19:19.01 | pipeline | weissi: but for practical purposes, no, you can't. |
| 19:19.08 | nsadmin | weissi: but why do that, you have the source, rebuild it |
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| 19:19.26 | pipeline | weissi: that is why libraries are distributed with separate static and dynamic formats. If it were easy to just magically bundle dynamic libs together, why would you ever need libfoo.a files ? :) |
| 19:19.52 | pipeline | nsadmin: well, there's another detail: somethings don't like to be built statically :) |
| 19:20.14 | weissi | pipeline, but it is possible to turn a libfoo.a file into libfoo.so |
| 19:20.20 | nsadmin | would this be one of those? |
| 19:20.42 | pipeline | weissi: how the heck would you do that ? |
| 19:20.44 | Vasistha | weissi: uh, probably not |
| 19:21.11 | dondelelcaro | it certainly would be possible, though I've no idea if the tools already do it |
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| 19:21.54 | dondelelcaro | generally |
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| 19:22.50 | weissi | pipeline, gcc -shared -Wl,-soname,soname -o libfoo libfoo.a |
| 19:23.14 | weissi | pipeline, a .a file is simply an archive of .o files |
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| 19:24.14 | weissi | pipeline, sorry "gcc -shared -Wl,-soname,soname -o libfoo.so libfoo.a" (.so was missing) |
| 19:25.24 | nsadmin | if you can do that, then why do many build systems for libs tend to build the source multiple times, atleast one for static and again for dyn? |
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| 19:25.44 | Vasistha | themill: I am looking at your s2disk wrapper, now. It looks like a good start, but gosh, I sure wish there was a better way to get at the critical info we need. |
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| 19:26.56 | weissi | nsadmin, who does that? |
| 19:26.58 | themill | Vasistha: if you only use debian kernels I believe, it's sufficient. The more general case is unfortunately impossible to solve completely, but dutchfish and I are seeing if we can generalise it a little. |
| 19:27.25 | pipeline | weissi: ok, but that archive file wouldn't be suitable for use as a static library |
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| 19:27.33 | pipeline | weissi: hell, I could call ar myself to do that I think :P |
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| 19:27.51 | unj | pipeline: okay, I got the gui to boot in gnome, now I am working on kde, I uninstalled libGL.so.1, and it is now a problem that it is missing for KDE, is there a sample file of it somewhere that I can rewrite? |
| 19:27.58 | sgn | Have 5.0.3 ISOs been pushed? |
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| 19:29.17 | weissi | pipeline, a static library (.a) file IS an ar archive |
| 19:29.44 | weissi | pipeline, as I said: static libraries are nothing else than just a bunch of object files |
| 19:29.47 | nsadmin | usually with ranlib applied to it |
| 19:29.56 | pipeline | weissi: yes, but an object is not the same as a shared library, dude |
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| 19:30.10 | pipeline | weissi: yes, an archive full of .o files is a static library. But an archive full of .so files isn't. |
| 19:30.27 | sgn | Does debian5 vanilla kernel support Intel ICH7R? |
| 19:30.29 | weissi | pipeline, no but shared libraries can be built of object files (with the gcc-command I posted above) |
| 19:30.44 | pipeline | weissi: I don't think that does what you think it does. |
| 19:30.57 | weissi | pipeline, no obviously an archive of .so files is NOT a static library |
| 19:30.58 | nsadmin | and just because something is an archive of .os doesn't necessarily make it a lib |
| 19:31.08 | sylar | is it normal that it takes a few hours to compile the kernel? |
| 19:31.34 | pipeline | weissi: wait... what you did does the opposite. It takes a bunch of objects and makes them relocatable |
| 19:31.38 | pipeline | sylar: yes |
| 19:31.56 | sylar | k |
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| 19:32.11 | sylar | it also doesn't use all 4 cores |
| 19:32.17 | sylar | just 1 |
| 19:32.17 | weissi | pipeline, right. My original question was the opposite |
| 19:32.51 | weissi | pipeline, but then someone didn't believe that I can make a .so-file out of .o-files and so I posted the command... |
| 19:33.06 | zinx | the other direction is the hard direction :D |
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| 19:33.45 | pipeline | weissi: I don't think you can take a bunch of relocatable files and make them into static objects. |
| 19:33.55 | weissi | pipeline, first I only wandered I it should not be possible to turn a shared binary in a static one. In theory it MUST be possible but it seems that there are no standard tools which do that :-( |
| 19:33.55 | pipeline | sylar: that's easy to fix |
| 19:34.07 | pipeline | sylar: ctrl C and invoke make with the -j switch... if you have 4 cores, try -j8. |
| 19:34.17 | weissi | pipeline, ok, thanks! |
| 19:34.39 | sylar | pipeline, my cores are not hyperthreding |
| 19:35.14 | meandrain | Hello. I have two questions: 1. I want to install Debian 5 AMD64 and then on it VirtualBox. Can I install 32 bit OS-es in that VirtualBox on Debian 64 bits? and 2. Is debian-502a-amd64-CD-1.iso last Debian, or a from 502a stands for Alpha ? |
| 19:35.19 | sylar | pipeline, and I started it with dpkg-buildpackage not make |
| 19:35.26 | weissi | silar, normally -j (N+(N/2)) is good if N is the number of cores |
| 19:35.44 | weissi | sylar, so -j6 should be good for four cores |
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| 19:35.56 | pipeline | sylar: yeah, but you should always have more make processes than the number of cores, because the task isn't strictly cpu bound |
| 19:36.12 | micheal | can someone help me with my problem? Following issue: Ive backuped my server to another with rsync successfully. Now i am trying to restore my server! I recieve the files but at the end my server isnt really restored |
| 19:36.23 | micheal | is there something what i do forget`? |
| 19:36.24 | sylar | k |
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| 19:36.47 | sylar | k, but what do I do about dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 19:36.51 | pipeline | micheal: you're going to have to be more detailed than that. Exactly what did you do to backup and restore the data ? |
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| 19:37.08 | weissi | sylar, on my dual core machine -j3 is faster than -j2 and -j4 |
| 19:37.25 | pipeline | meandrain: You probably don't want the CD-1.iso... get the netinst disc. Despite the name, it doesn't actually require the net to install. |
| 19:37.28 | pipeline | weissi: that's perverse |
| 19:37.55 | meandrain | i see... and is that last Debian ? |
| 19:38.03 | micheal | Ive excluded /dev, /proc, /sys, /tmp, /home. ive backuped my server with the command: rsync -vaH -e 'ssh -p 2222 -i /root/.ssh/id_rsa' --numeric-ids --exclude=/dev --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/tmp root@host:/ /backup_rsync/ |
| 19:38.22 | weissi | sylar, export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=6; sudo -E make-kpkg |
| 19:38.30 | weissi | pipeline, why? |
| 19:38.35 | micheal | and everything was stored on my backup server under backup_rsync |
| 19:38.39 | pipeline | meandrain: secondly, yes, you can install 32 bit guests with a 64 bit host. (In fact, you can install 64 bit guests with a 32 bit host, if you want to.) You will need Intel VT extensions, or whatever the AMD equivalent is. |
| 19:38.51 | micheal | now when i do restore the data it isnt really restored |
| 19:38.54 | pipeline | micheal: well, that looks pretty good so far. |
| 19:39.00 | pipeline | micheal: what do you get instead ? |
| 19:39.03 | meandrain | pipeline: thank you very much |
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| 19:39.24 | pipeline | weissi: it runs counter to expectations. -j3 shouldn't be a whole heck of a lot different than -j4. The contention shouldn't matter. |
| 19:39.32 | sylar | weissi, need I do something so all the compiled stuff will not be lost? |
| 19:39.36 | micheal | My server isnt running as before. the apache wont work, my zabbix and my syscp isnt reachable |
| 19:39.44 | sylar | I.e. compiled again...? |
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| 19:40.09 | micheal | and: rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) |
| 19:40.14 | micheal | at main.c |
| 19:40.18 | pipeline | micheal: well, that sounds pretty important there. |
| 19:40.29 | weissi | sylar, I don't really understand your question. Do you want your already compiled stuff to be lost or not? |
| 19:40.33 | pipeline | micheal: pan back through the log and find the missing files |
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| 19:41.08 | ekontsevoy | Is it possible to pass a command to the end of ssh and ask it to STAY connected after that command executes, for things like ssh host screen -r (connect to host and reconnect to a running screen session)? |
| 19:41.11 | sylar | weissi, I want to save time, so I want it to keep what has been compiled already |
| 19:41.16 | weissi | pipeline, the cache plays a role so too many processes can be harmful |
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| 19:41.42 | weissi | sylar, it should automatically keep the stuff you already compiled if you don't change anything else |
| 19:41.54 | sylar | k |
| 19:42.30 | ktlr | how can i use front channel to all channels ? i mean it i want use one channel, because on debian my mp3 player is too low :( |
| 19:42.45 | micheal | which logfile? |
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| 19:42.51 | karme | ekontsevoy: you probably want to use -t with screen |
| 19:42.51 | sylar | I think maybe it is about to finish now? it is doing some HTML and DOCPROC Documentation |
| 19:42.57 | micheal | argh there are to many? first time with rsync |
| 19:42.58 | weissi | pipeline, with Con Kolvias new BFS scheduler, you even have to set -jN if N is the number of cores (http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-faq.txt) |
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| 19:43.55 | ktlr | can give me someone an article what is write the instructions what i need to do ? |
| 19:43.56 | pipeline | yeah I'm not planning on building my kernel with a scheduler whose explicit design scheme is to ignore historical data about processes :P |
| 19:44.04 | ekontsevoy | karme: Bingo! Thank you. |
| 19:44.24 | jelly-home | pipeline: but it works better! Maybe. |
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| 19:44.48 | micheal | pipeline: which logfile? |
| 19:45.09 | pipeline | micheal: well, it wouldn't print to a file unless it told you to. But it would log its progress to your screen, at least. |
| 19:45.59 | weissi | pipeline, ;-) |
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| 19:47.21 | micheal | sent 33186 bytes received 892814 bytes 264571.43 bytes/sec |
| 19:47.21 | AK|laptop | How do I enable File Browser as the primary GUI file manager, instead of the weird one that doesn't display as much in terms of navigation? |
| 19:47.21 | micheal | total size is 1024557354 speedup is 1106.43 |
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| 19:47.22 | micheal | rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1524) [generator=3.0.3] |
| 19:47.22 | micheal | thats it |
| 19:47.45 | pipeline | increase verbosity |
| 19:48.43 | jelly-home | micheal: use -P or --progress or one or more -v |
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| 20:06.10 | lunaphyte | karme: i'm not sure. how do i kook at the source package? |
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| 20:06.20 | karme | lunaphyte: /msg dpkg source |
| 20:06.20 | infernix | i read about it but am not sure what the upgrade steps are. just apt-get it? |
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| 20:06.32 | lunaphyte | karme: i see. thanks, i'll take a look. |
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| 20:10.33 | CaBa | lunaphyte: download the source package and check the rules file |
| 20:10.33 | jelly-home | CaBa: package scripts don't restart each others services, just their own. libc6 is an exception. |
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| 20:10.50 | CaBa | jelly-home: well what about modules and components that can be installed separately? |
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