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| 00:00.30 | elli222 | abrotman: nah, 1 min of experimentation with Ghex provides a great result. just removed the _ and put a space at the end of the malformed word |
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| 00:00.55 | elli222 | abrotman: and it works :D |
| 00:02.36 | nsadmin | elli222: good... and maybe if it's actually in the package you could provide a source patch so that it works for others too |
| 00:04.00 | abrotman | nsadmin: the bts bug has a link to a one-line fi |
| 00:04.02 | abrotman | fix |
| 00:05.04 | elli222 | nsadmin: All i did was edit the binary using ghex, because i was too lazy to recompile with the patch in place. i dont have any patches... |
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| 00:05.44 | nsadmin | abrotman: oh, cool, so that would have been duplicated effort |
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| 00:08.10 | DelphiWorld | hi all |
| 00:08.18 | DelphiWorld | my friends, i got a problem now |
| 00:08.25 | DelphiWorld | i removed my root folders content! |
| 00:08.28 | DelphiWorld | using rm -R |
| 00:08.31 | DelphiWorld | how to restore it? |
| 00:08.37 | nsadmin | from a backup |
| 00:09.14 | sepult | lol |
| 00:09.44 | DelphiWorld | any option? |
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| 00:09.51 | sepult | not really |
| 00:09.57 | DelphiWorld | #Debian Ops: |
| 00:09.58 | sepult | it's away |
| 00:10.01 | sepult | down the closette |
| 00:10.15 | sepult | either you had a backup or you out of luck buddy |
| 00:10.15 | DelphiWorld | the Romen nickname a sended to me a link to a video about porno graphie |
| 00:10.18 | DelphiWorld | please see it |
| 00:10.30 | sepult | lol |
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| 00:10.37 | DelphiWorld | yes sepult |
| 00:10.40 | sepult | so much porn on the intertubes |
| 00:10.44 | sepult | gah |
| 00:11.00 | themill | thanks for letting us know, DelphiWorld |
| 00:11.03 | nsadmin | bibi! |
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| 00:11.34 | sepult | DelphiWorld: maybe you can dd your disk, or use testdisk or so |
| 00:12.01 | sepult | DelphiWorld: but alot of your files even if findable, will be |
| 00:12.01 | sepult | renamed |
| 00:12.07 | designs703 | what are some good ways to audit disk IO over time on a Debian box (Lenny, 2.6.30.5)? I have iotop installed but it isn't very useful because IO is abrupt, unlike RAM/CPU usage (top). |
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| 00:12.52 | uninverted | Anyone know how to get Firefox to display Japanese? |
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| 00:13.04 | designs703 | uninverted: install japanese firefox |
| 00:13.22 | designs703 | uninverted: seriously though your os fonts should support it if the encoding is correct |
| 00:13.44 | xeon-enouf | uninverted: search cache for cjk font pkgs |
| 00:13.51 | DelphiWorld | say thank to #Debian Ops |
| 00:13.54 | designs703 | uninverted: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/firefoxext.htm |
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| 00:14.22 | xeon-enouf | designs703: what is the end goal? |
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| 00:14.37 | designs703 | xeon-enouf: to stop my disk from thrashing |
| 00:14.53 | xeon-enouf | designs703: does it happen all the time? |
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| 00:15.03 | uninverted | designs: Thanks, I`m installing the fonts now. |
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| 00:15.24 | designs703 | xeon-enouf: that's what I'm trying to figure out. I get many disk io alerts (regular notifications to help admins, not caps or anything) |
| 00:15.30 | xeon-enouf | designs703: ext3 FS? watch if kjuornald and pdflush aredoing it |
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| 00:15.52 | designs703 | I saw kjournald on iotop a lot, but I'm looking for a way to monitor this over time |
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| 00:16.27 | xeon-enouf | designs703: mount using noatime/relatime...and if it just occurs ona schedule see /etc/crontab |
| 00:16.46 | petemc | designs703: are you swapping? |
| 00:17.00 | designs703 | I'm not sure, that's part of what I'm trying to figure out |
| 00:17.00 | xeon-enouf | another possibility indeed |
| 00:17.04 | xeon-enouf | free |
| 00:17.21 | designs703 | it's either swap or heavy IO, but I stay within my ram. I've seen io spikes when ram was within limits |
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| 00:17.31 | petemc | xeon-enouf: i may be wrong, but any writes to the disk will be accompanied by kjournald and pdflush, no? |
| 00:17.34 | Titan8990 | JoshH, http://pastebin.com/d44ad19ce |
| 00:18.17 | xeon-enouf | petemc: sure, IINM ... but ext3 defaults to writing every 5 seconds, and with every read, comes a write |
| 00:18.17 | danielsh | morning. I'm ssh'ing to a computer that has firefox running and I want to see that firefox on the computer I'm at right now. is that possible? (something like 'screen -r') |
| 00:18.29 | designs703 | I have some cron.dailies that don't exist, I'm not sure if that would matter (lighttpd for instance) |
| 00:19.00 | xeon-enouf | designs703: pastebin output of free -m |
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| 00:19.12 | designs703 | xeon-enouf: I've checked that, I always have plenty free |
| 00:19.33 | xeon-enouf | danielsh: ithink you need x11vnc |
| 00:19.39 | designs703 | well, not plenty, but I've checked it *many* times and never have seen it run out |
| 00:19.48 | petemc | designs703: you can toggle something to log whats writing to the disk |
| 00:19.52 | designs703 | it usually has 80-100 in reserve |
| 00:19.52 | Titan8990 | JoshH, http://pastebin.com/d3ca37adc |
| 00:20.12 | xeon-enouf | designs703: fwiw, allow me to mention inotify |
| 00:20.14 | petemc | designs703: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 00:20.19 | petemc | designs703: then tail -f /var/log/debug | grep -Ev '(kjournald|pdflush|syslogd)' |
| 00:20.31 | petemc | designs703: that, obviously, creates a lot fo data |
| 00:20.36 | designs703 | what does the first one do? |
| 00:20.40 | danielsh | xeon-enouf: on the remote machine? I can't install software there :( |
| 00:20.49 | petemc | designs703: enable verbose logging |
| 00:21.01 | designs703 | echoing 1 over the file does that? |
| 00:21.02 | nsadmin | designs703 you better believe it's gonna happen... and if it's a remote, you will wish you protected / from filling by having separate partitions for things like /var /usr /home /tmp |
| 00:21.07 | xeon-enouf | danielsh: i think so, yes, the viewer on client, the server on server IINM |
| 00:21.15 | petemc | designs703: yes, then you'll want to turn it off by echoing 0 |
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| 00:21.40 | Michael__ | How do I change the maximum log size of history that i see with with "history" command? |
| 00:22.05 | xeon-enouf | designs703: checked disk usage space lately = pastebin df -hT output too |
| 00:22.27 | xeon-enouf | Michael__: echo $HISTFILESIZE |
| 00:22.32 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 00:22.34 | designs703 | xeon-enouf: 15G available... |
| 00:23.05 | xeon-enouf | Michael__: and echo $HISTSIZE |
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| 00:23.35 | danielsh | xeon-enouf: ok, thanks. looks like I have vino and vnc4server instaleld on the remote one, so I might be ok? |
| 00:23.37 | designs703 | nsadmin: disk space is not an issue |
| 00:23.39 | Poxy | xeon-enouf: That's how I change it or just display it? |
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| 00:24.04 | xeon-enouf | Poxy: display - one adds a line to their .bashrc |
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| 00:24.20 | xeon-enouf | export VARIABLE=value |
| 00:24.26 | Poxy | ok thanks |
| 00:24.48 | xeon-enouf | Poxy: 'source .bashrc' will reload it with changes |
| 00:24.48 | designs703 | well I just got rid of a bunch of useless cron scripts, that should help |
| 00:25.22 | Poxy | xeon-enouf: Thanks much |
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| 00:25.54 | xeon-enouf | designs703: it's important to notice if realthrashing occurs at the times that /etc/cron.*/* scripts are set to run |
| 00:26.15 | xeon-enouf | designs703: especially /find (which runs updatedb) |
| 00:26.18 | designs703 | xeon-enouf: they're daily scripts so it's unlikely, though I did get a daily spike at 2pm which should go away now |
| 00:26.23 | DelphiWorld | please, what is the recomanded web management interface for the famou debian OS? EBOX? |
| 00:27.01 | designs703 | DelphiWorld: sshd |
| 00:27.24 | DelphiWorld | designs703: ssh? |
| 00:27.32 | DelphiWorld | designs703: i'm asking for a web based one |
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| 00:27.55 | designs703 | DelphiWorld: what's wrong with using 22 instead of 80? |
| 00:28.00 | xeon-enouf | danielsh: i've not yet tried x11vnc and variants, just ssh and ssh -X |
| 00:28.31 | DelphiWorld | designs703: accessibility ;) |
| 00:28.42 | xeon-enouf | DelphiWorld: webmin isfrowned upon here, ssh is the main app - but see syscp |
| 00:28.44 | designs703 | a text terminal is by far the most accessible option |
| 00:28.45 | DelphiWorld | designs703: i'm using a screen reader in win32 and don't read PUTTY completly |
| 00:28.58 | designs703 | this is #debian |
| 00:29.18 | DelphiWorld | designs703: yes i know;) |
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| 00:29.36 | designs703 | so there's no accessible terminal for windows? I don't believe that... |
| 00:29.49 | danielsh | xeon-enouf: same here :) thanks for the pointers, I'll look at VNC and see if it solves my problem. |
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| 00:30.03 | xeon-enouf | openssh works on windows iinm |
| 00:30.04 | danielsh | has alias xr='screen -xr' ... |
| 00:30.07 | DelphiWorld | designs703: personaly, i know only putty |
| 00:30.30 | designs703 | DelphiWorld: I thought console2 was nice with a cygwin executable linked up to it |
| 00:30.51 | ZitZ | yeah putty is probably best, unless you want to go with telnet |
| 00:30.55 | designs703 | what sort of accessibility are you thinking of? |
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| 00:31.54 | xeon-enouf | DelphiWorld: depends on you needs, maybe openvpn is what you want |
| 00:31.57 | DelphiWorld | designs703: text to speech |
| 00:32.01 | xeon-enouf | your* |
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| 00:32.17 | xeon-enouf | oh.. speakup, festival? espeak? |
| 00:32.29 | xeon-enouf | there are others ... |
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| 00:32.44 | DelphiWorld | xeon-enouf: ok |
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| 00:32.56 | benjamindees | it would be nice if 'tar' on the rescue install had the ability to create tarballs. could've sworn this used to be the case. |
| 00:32.56 | designs703 | DelphiWorld: it looks like OSX has this, but I'm not sure. I'll bet there's a windows option |
| 00:33.19 | xeon-enouf | DelphiWorld: how many remote servers are you admin;ing? |
| 00:33.46 | pl | If somebody of your has familiarity with the backports policy: can I hope that testing's apache2 will be backported to lenny soon? |
| 00:33.49 | xeon-enouf | benjamindees: within the debian installer? |
| 00:33.54 | DelphiWorld | xeon-enouf: only one at my home! |
| 00:33.58 | benjamindees | xeon-enouf: yep |
| 00:34.15 | designs703 | pl: apache's a good thing to build from source IMO |
| 00:34.43 | pl | designs703, I'm lazy! |
| 00:34.48 | abrotman | pl: why? |
| 00:35.01 | xeon-enouf | benjamindees: try http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/d-i-tricks/ for some tricks, not sure it'll help your specific info (it's also a bitdated.depending oninstaller verssion) |
| 00:35.02 | designs703 | pl: it takes a few commands. the cpu does the work |
| 00:35.27 | designs703 | pl: they provide an install help file even. you wouldn't even need anyone's help :) |
| 00:35.33 | xeon-enouf | DelphiWorld: : so learn ssh ;-) |
| 00:35.45 | pl | abrotman, you mean, what feature do I need? this stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication |
| 00:35.45 | xeon-enouf | DelphiWorld: and scp .. and vsftpd ,.. and .. |
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| 00:36.19 | designs703 | pl: a custom-compiled apache will perform better and you can specify all the options. I compile server software that I use heavily usually |
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| 00:36.33 | petemc | designs703: thats not great advice |
| 00:36.43 | designs703 | petemc: why do you say that? |
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| 00:37.18 | petemc | designs703: the performance benefits would be negligible, and you wouldnt get the benefits a packaging system provides |
| 00:37.33 | petemc | nor an easy path for support |
| 00:37.36 | designs703 | petemc: what benefits are there for apache? |
| 00:37.45 | petemc | security updates |
| 00:37.47 | nsadmin | designs703: I do the same thing for a very specific reason: I do NOT want debian packaging touching my site at ALL |
| 00:37.47 | pl | designs703, the part I'm really lazy on is maintaining a system with software installed from source, with upgrades, unclean uninstall processes, etc... |
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| 00:37.51 | designs703 | the easiest support path is the apache httpd support network |
| 00:37.54 | pl | that's the real thing |
| 00:38.04 | xeon-enouf | designs703: you mentioned OSX earlier ... i'm curious if it might be using netatalk, and/or avahi-daemon for help to comm |
| 00:38.20 | DelphiWorld | so thanks for your suggestion |
| 00:38.20 | abrotman | pl: i don't recall there being an apache backport for etch .. it's ultimately up to a DD, though i guess you can ask for one (or make a backport yourself) |
| 00:38.30 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: and please sory for stressing you last time |
| 00:38.39 | nsadmin | netatalk?! does apple still use that crap? :) |
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| 00:38.52 | abrotman | nsadmin: OSX still can .. so can linux |
| 00:39.07 | designs703 | and it's much harder to get support if you're using a package like debian's apache because it's been heavily customized. I personally prefer vanilla apache, mysql, etc...Easier to manage overall, and just as easy to upgrade |
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| 00:39.15 | nsadmin | but... why :) n/m |
| 00:39.23 | designs703 | abrotman: or at least bsd :) |
| 00:39.37 | benjamindees | !tell pl about simple sid backport |
| 00:39.38 | petemc | designs703: within the context of this channel, its certainly not harder to get support for packaged apache |
| 00:40.12 | designs703 | petemc: true, but there's more documentation on stock apache and more online resources as well |
| 00:40.26 | pl | benjamindees, I think I'll try that, thank you |
| 00:40.28 | petemc | designs703: also, the customizations are only really files split up, its not that different |
| 00:40.33 | designs703 | I think the main benefit is the ability to tweak all of the settings at configure time though |
| 00:40.49 | designs703 | petemc: true, debian does stranger things to postfix :) |
| 00:40.49 | DelphiWorld | BYE all |
| 00:40.49 | markybob | designs703, you're talking silliness |
| 00:40.50 | Wyzard | designs703: Compiling from source, you don't get automatic clean upgrades and uninstall ability |
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| 00:40.59 | blendmaster1024 | (because OFTC's #debian-live didn't answer) how would i make a debian live cd with my debian install cds? i'd rather not have to download anything since i already have 25 cds of lenny 502 |
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| 00:41.10 | petemc | designs703: not nearly as strange as exim |
| 00:41.13 | designs703 | Wyzard: that's why you only do it for a few choice packages and give them their own prefixes |
| 00:41.40 | Wyzard | blendmaster1024: You can use jigdo for that, if debian-live provides .jigdo files |
| 00:41.49 | nsadmin | blendmaster1024: 25?! you didn't reuse after the first one? |
| 00:41.56 | petemc | designs703: but, a few macros aside, and the reason for that is because debconf isnt a registry, the config is generally the same |
| 00:41.58 | benjamindees | xeon-enouf: interesting, I suppose I can try installing the tar .deb |
| 00:41.59 | pl | benjamindees, but why is only sid mentioned, and not testing? |
| 00:42.15 | nsadmin | you can do it from testing too |
| 00:42.17 | designs703 | petemc: I mean php, apache, mysql, etc. provide a rich set of configure options |
| 00:42.20 | nsadmin | it's not just sid |
| 00:42.29 | nsadmin | and you can forward port too |
| 00:42.33 | designs703 | petemc: most software I'm happy to leave to debian/osx packagers |
| 00:42.44 | blendmaster1024 | nsadmin, i only have 12 physical cds, and i have a slow inet connection at home (where i am now) so it is rather helpful to download 25GB of software somewhere else for easy installation |
| 00:43.02 | benjamindees | pl: ss is an easier acronym to remember :p |
| 00:43.03 | petemc | designs703: thats not in dispute, my point was its not great advice |
| 00:43.10 | blendmaster1024 | Wyzard, but i didn't download them with jugdo |
| 00:43.12 | petemc | for here, anyway |
| 00:43.15 | Wyzard | blendmaster1024: When you run jigdo-lite to download the image, it'll ask you if you'd like to scan an existing directory tree for files; you can give it each of your CDs in turn (or loop-mount CD images) and it'll pull everything it can from them, and only need to download any bits that are left over |
| 00:43.18 | designs703 | that's an opinion... |
| 00:43.27 | Wyzard | blendmaster1024: It doesn't matter how you downloaded the full CDs |
| 00:43.29 | petemc | offered in an advisory capacity |
| 00:43.33 | nsadmin | blendmaster1024: perhaps you need a new stack of a hundred blankx |
| 00:43.42 | xeon-enouf | $ for i in $(tasksel --task-packages file-server) ; do apt-cache depends $i | grep netatalk ; done |
| 00:43.45 | xeon-enouf | netatalk |
| 00:43.46 | blendmaster1024 | nsadmin, plz stop bothering me about it |
| 00:43.48 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 00:44.04 | Wyzard | wonders why there's no debian-live 5.0.2 or 5.0.3 |
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| 00:44.33 | Wyzard | blendmaster1024: Doesn't look like they provide .jigdo files for debian-live, though |
| 00:45.25 | blendmaster1024 | well i'm trying to use live-helper to build a livecd and i want to install my own pick of packages from my cds and a custom kernel compile. |
| 00:45.34 | nsadmin | blendmaster1024: bothering? that's your interpretation... I was offering you choices |
| 00:45.54 | xeon-enouf | !ccd |
| 00:45.55 | Wyzard | blendmaster1024: oh, so you're not just trying to download the iso from http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:45.58 | blendmaster1024 | no |
| 00:46.01 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 00:46.07 | xeon-enouf | !cdd |
| 00:46.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cdd is "Custom Debian Distribution", see http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian and http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD These have been renamed "Debian Pure Blends". |
| 00:46.26 | blendmaster1024 | xeon-enouf, how would that help with a livecd? |
| 00:46.31 | xeon-enouf | what the F is this, a coffee house? :-) |
| 00:46.33 | Wyzard | blendmaster1024: If you're building a custom liveCD with a process that requires you to give it .deb files, just copy the files you want from the CDs you already have |
| 00:46.47 | xeon-enouf | blendmaster1024: screw livecd - try bootcd |
| 00:47.00 | blendmaster1024 | where would i put them? and what do you mean xeon-enouf ? |
| 00:47.25 | Wyzard | blendmaster1024: Wherever your live-helper thing expects to get them from, I guess |
| 00:47.29 | xeon-enouf | orsee linux-live.org if #debian-live isn't for you |
| 00:47.45 | xeon-enouf | put what? |
| 00:47.51 | benjamindees | xeon-enouf: it's burger king |
| 00:47.52 | blendmaster1024 | the packages |
| 00:47.59 | designs703 | petemc I still don't see the advantage of installing relatively standalone software (a server stack requires a handful) with a package manager, while I do see some disadvantages |
| 00:48.06 | xeon-enouf | benjamindees: have it your way! |
| 00:48.13 | designs703 | debian's great for maintaining a whole OS |
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| 00:48.39 | designs703 | but I think it's a good thing to administer the parts you care about most |
| 00:48.41 | xeon-enouf | blendmaster1024: : ever hear of preseed and FAI ? |
| 00:48.41 | petemc | designs703: i already said, easy path for security upgrades, centralised support |
| 00:48.44 | mederEsite | How does Debian mount smb:// network files if 'smbclient' isn't installed? |
| 00:48.55 | blendmaster1024 | no xeon-enouf |
| 00:48.56 | xeon-enouf | mount.cifs? |
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| 00:49.02 | xeon-enouf | mount.smb ? |
| 00:49.07 | petemc | mederEsite: mount -t cifs, you need smbfs installed tho |
| 00:49.11 | blendmaster1024 | mederEsite, as far as i know it doesn't |
| 00:49.12 | designs703 | petemc: I've never found security upgrades of software like mysql to be a problem |
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| 00:49.31 | xeon-enouf | i've mounted samba smbfs on win98 with no sambe pkgs installed |
| 00:49.32 | blendmaster1024 | xeon-enouf, please elaborate |
| 00:49.34 | mederEsite | here's the thing - I'm attaching a network drive with the default Debian application - but I can't copy files off it |
| 00:49.45 | mederEsite | I can read fine though |
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| 00:49.51 | benjamindees | mederEsite: cifs is in the kernel; it doesn't require smbclient |
| 00:49.54 | petemc | designs703: thats great, my point remains, i dont see anything further i can say either |
| 00:49.57 | xeon-enouf | i think portmap might need to be running thouhg, i forget |
| 00:50.04 | designs703 | petemc: likewise |
| 00:50.08 | mederEsite | What should I do so I have the right privileges so I can copy files off? |
| 00:50.27 | petemc | mederEsite: how did you mount it? |
| 00:50.40 | mederEsite | I used the interface 'Connect to Server' in Places |
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| 00:50.42 | Wyzard | mederEsite: If you can read files on the network drive then you can copy them |
| 00:50.52 | mederEsite | Wyzard: That's what I was thinking too |
| 00:50.55 | petemc | mederEsite: oh, that'll be gnome vfs stuff then |
| 00:51.20 | Wyzard | mederEsite: and it sounds like you're using GNOME's SMB support, which isn't actually a "mount" at all (as far as the kernel is concerned) |
| 00:51.28 | mederEsite | yes |
| 00:51.32 | mederEsite | it looks like I'm using that |
| 00:51.34 | xeon-enouf | blendmaster1024: samba and cifs support is in the kernel, AFAIK |
| 00:51.34 | mederEsite | so I shouldn't? |
| 00:51.38 | danielsh | xeon-enouf: thanks, vnc does what I want, now to figure out how to make it work with all the firewalls + integrate with the desktop |
| 00:51.51 | mederEsite | here's what happens when I try to open a file |
| 00:51.57 | mederEsite | ERR - copy it to my desktop |
| 00:52.15 | xeon-enouf | blendmaster1024: oh - duh - /msg dpkg preseed and /msg dpkg fai |
| 00:52.15 | mederEsite | 'Error while copying "file.psd". .. There was an error copying the file into /home/meder/Desktop |
| 00:52.25 | mederEsite | Show more details -> "invalid argument" |
| 00:52.26 | xeon-enouf | danielsh: cool |
| 00:52.28 | Wyzard | mederEsite: Programs that don't use gnome-vfs (such as the command-line "cp" program) can't utilize GNOME's mounts, but just dragging icons in nautilus to copy files should work fine |
| 00:53.05 | mederEsite | By the way, I do have my own username for this network |
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| 00:53.32 | mederEsite | and I'm not using 'cp' nor am I using the command line |
| 00:53.37 | mederEsite | Hm |
| 00:54.10 | Wyzard | mederEsite: A Google search for "nautilus smb invalid argument when copying file" turns up this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/393012 |
| 00:54.24 | Wyzard | mederEsite: which claims it's an upstream bug in GNOME |
| 00:54.42 | elli222 | Im trying to figure out how to get pulseaudio mixers working with MPD, apparently my version supports them, just cant figure out how, any ideas? |
| 00:55.14 | mederEsite | Wyzard: what can I do? use an alternative app such as smbclient and manually do this in the command line? |
| 00:55.23 | xeon-enouf | elli222: all i know is pulseaudio sits atop of ALSA, is your alsa working properly? |
| 00:55.28 | Wyzard | mederEsite: That should work |
| 00:56.03 | nsadmin | mederEsite |
| 00:56.09 | nsadmin | err |
| 00:56.21 | elli222 | xeon-enouf: ALSA and Pulseaudio are both fine, and so is MPD, except for the volume controls |
| 00:56.26 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: gnome uses gnome-vfs and perhaps fuse/pmount, and kde uses kio_slaves for many protocols while in GUI |
| 00:56.46 | nsadmin | mederEsite and anything you can manually do in the command line you can also script |
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| 00:56.59 | xeon-enouf | elli222: not sure, never tried yes .. you have mpc installed on client? |
| 00:57.11 | xeon-enouf | s/yes/yet/ |
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| 00:57.52 | benjamindees | mederEsite: you could add a cifs mount line to your fstab |
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| 00:58.57 | mederEsite | the way i connected was smb://DOMAIN;meder@subdomain.domain.com/groups/ |
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| 00:59.18 | mederEsite | anyone know off hand what the equivalent for smbclient would be? |
| 00:59.25 | mederEsite | tried various combos |
| 00:59.25 | elli222 | xeon-enouf: mpc is installed, and does an exellent job of doing everything exept volume, because i havent got my pulseaudio mixer configured in mpd.conf, because i dont know how to :P |
| 00:59.55 | mederEsite | benjamindees: hm |
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| 01:00.32 | xeon-enouf | elli222: i used sudo mount -t smbfs //Name/c /mnt/foobar/ |
| 01:00.43 | xeon-enouf | er mederEsite |
| 01:01.32 | mederEsite | i'm not even sure why i have a semicolon in mine |
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| 01:01.42 | xeon-enouf | elli222: is there a mpc{d} channel? try ##linux, try ##audio ..not sure..see /usr/share/doc/mp* |
| 01:01.50 | benjamindees | mederEsite: I'm guessing: smbclient '\\DOMAIN\groups' -U meder -W subdomain.domain.com |
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| 01:02.13 | elli222 | xeon-enouf: i asked on #mpd about 20 mins ago |
| 01:02.21 | elli222 | xeon-enouf: appears dead |
| 01:02.22 | xeon-enouf | patience |
| 01:02.34 | mederEsite | arg no luck. hm |
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| 01:02.38 | mederEsite | ill keep trying |
| 01:03.05 | xeon-enouf | elli222: http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html might be useful |
| 01:03.17 | xeon-enouf | er mederEsite |
| 01:03.27 | xeon-enouf | !tabsmite me |
| 01:03.29 | elli222 | lol |
| 01:03.54 | mederEsite | hm |
| 01:03.58 | mederEsite | i tried it with just 'DOMAIN' |
| 01:04.09 | mederEsite | and instead of an error it looks like it connected |
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| 01:04.16 | mederEsite | but there's no text for success or anything |
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| 01:04.59 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: for /name instead of //ip.add.re.ss you might need some portmap of rpc shit running? i forget |
| 01:05.21 | benjamindees | mederEsite: 'ls' |
| 01:05.27 | xeon-enouf | is there a -vvv mode, like with ssh? strace the sucker |
| 01:05.49 | mederEsite | benjamindees: i'm only seeing my local files.. guess it failed |
| 01:05.51 | petemc | mederEsite: check syslog/messages |
| 01:06.14 | petemc | mederEsite: you may get a message asking if you have smbfs installed, also you should be use mount -t cifs |
| 01:06.39 | xeon-enouf | benjamindees: what's with the backslashes? |
| 01:06.58 | benjamindees | xeon-enouf: um |
| 01:07.35 | xeon-enouf | //servername/sharename /mountdirectory smbfs username=windowsuserename,password=windowspassword 0 0 |
| 01:07.47 | benjamindees | xeon-enouf: it works with either I thought |
| 01:07.48 | xeon-enouf | um what? |
| 01:08.08 | benjamindees | and it's windows so backslashie? |
| 01:08.09 | xeon-enouf | i don't know .. prove it :-) |
| 01:08.20 | xeon-enouf | not really |
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| 01:09.21 | benjamindees | http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/courses/build/net-admin/ch08s02.html |
| 01:10.04 | benjamindees | signs xeon-enouf up for beginners Linux course :smug: |
| 01:10.15 | xeon-enouf | for fstab entries with PATHs with spaces in name; you would use \040 |
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| 01:11.03 | xeon-enouf | benjamindees: samba isn't needed to run / use linux .. go back to windows :-P |
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| 01:11.14 | petemc | zing |
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| 01:18.03 | mederEsite | hm |
| 01:18.04 | kibombo | is there a decent document on adding gpg keys so the prompt Install these packages without verification doesn't show during apt installations? |
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| 01:18.38 | mederEsite | i was able to do smbclient \\\\subdomain.foo.maindomain.com\\$ -U meder and it prompts for pass, i type it in, it fails to verify |
| 01:18.43 | mederEsite | ugh. and i'm sure it's the right password |
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| 01:19.03 | petemc | mederEsite: mount -t cifs -o username=foo,password=bar "//192.168.1.1/sharename" /mnt/point |
| 01:19.18 | petemc | kibombo: installed debian-archive-keyring? |
| 01:19.36 | benjamindees | have you tried 'smbclient -L' yet? |
| 01:19.56 | mederEsite | petemc: what's the /mnt/point for? a reference to it? |
| 01:20.09 | petemc | mederEsite: thats where you're mounting it to |
| 01:20.18 | mederEsite | feels stupid |
| 01:20.21 | kibombo | petemc: yes |
| 01:20.40 | petemc | kibombo: which repository do you not have the key for? |
| 01:20.44 | mederEsite | there's nothing in /mnt/ and if i specify /mnt/foo it says "mount point /mnt/foo does not exist" |
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| 01:21.02 | kibombo | petemc: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 01:21.02 | mederEsite | it doesnt create a reference or ask me for a password |
| 01:21.18 | petemc | mederEsite: you can mount them to /mnt , or use mkdir /mnt/foo |
| 01:21.27 | mederEsite | Oh. |
| 01:21.38 | mederEsite | now it says wrong fs type |
| 01:21.47 | mederEsite | 'wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on ' |
| 01:22.21 | benjamindees | kibombo, install the 'debian-archive-keyring' package from your install cd |
| 01:22.46 | kibombo | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 01:22.46 | kibombo | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:22.46 | kibombo | Building dependency tree |
| 01:22.46 | kibombo | Reading state information... Done |
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| 01:22.57 | kibombo | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 01:22.57 | kibombo | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:23.00 | kibombo | Building dependency tree |
| 01:23.02 | kibombo | Reading state information... Done |
| 01:23.07 | kibombo | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 01:23.21 | kibombo | grr, i meant to show that it's already at the newest version |
| 01:23.45 | benjamindees | surely 'debian-archive-keyring' gets installed even if you just install the base system, right? |
| 01:23.56 | kibombo | i'm guessing yes |
| 01:24.01 | kibombo | also, how to change hostname? |
| 01:24.03 | mederEsite | lemme try something |
| 01:24.04 | mederEsite | brb |
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| 01:24.12 | kibombo | do you just change the name in /etc/hostname? |
| 01:24.18 | kibombo | or do you have to update something afterward? |
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| 01:24.39 | petemc | kibombo: you'll need to edit /etc/hosts too |
| 01:25.44 | kibombo | okay, did that and logged into root using su, but it still shows the old name. /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname have both been changed |
| 01:26.03 | benjamindees | run 'hostname' |
| 01:26.19 | kibombo | shows the old name |
| 01:26.22 | petemc | kibombo: the domain name should take, the hostname i think requires a reboot |
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| 01:26.37 | Titan8990 | is inetd actually supposed to spawn others processes? |
| 01:26.40 | kibombo | shows 'ubuntu' since i installed debian using debootstrap from a ubuntu live cd |
| 01:26.46 | benjamindees | 'hostname newhostname' :-/ |
| 01:26.54 | kibombo | oh... guess i will reboot then |
| 01:27.08 | petemc | Titan8990: yes |
| 01:27.34 | benjamindees | that's not why it shows ubuntu |
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| 01:30.08 | Titan8990 | petemc, ehh so what i am see is launching inetd by itself should read /etc/inetd.conf and spawn the daemons for the services there... does that sound about right? |
| 01:30.54 | petemc | Titan8990: the processes are spawned as needed |
| 01:31.23 | benjamindees | yeah it listens on their ports and spawns the processes when a connection is made |
| 01:31.25 | Titan8990 | ah, i will give connecting a try, thanks |
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| 01:36.33 | benjamindees | booooring... |
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| 01:36.45 | Titan8990 | petemc, yep, it works |
| 01:37.30 | Titan8990 | petemc, the debian docs were dated and had an init script for xinitd and it through me off when i didn't see a tftpd process |
| 01:37.47 | abrotman | threw |
| 01:38.02 | benjamindees | I guess all the Linux users hit the clubs tonight... |
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| 01:59.54 | Titan8990 | alright, first pxe install attempt a failure: http://imagebin.ca/view/UMDwnvq2.html |
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| 02:01.59 | abrotman | Titan8990: seems a lot of 'rying' |
| 02:02.19 | abrotman | Titan8990: it's not a failure ... it's a learning experience :) |
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| 02:03.23 | Titan8990 | i don't think its a configuration problem |
| 02:03.33 | Titan8990 | unless the docs are wrong or have left out some details |
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| 02:03.53 | rumpsy | hi everybody |
| 02:04.47 | rumpsy | How to get internet updates for my LENNNY |
| 02:05.02 | abrotman | !tell rumpsy about sources.list |
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| 02:05.07 | abrotman | !tell rumpsy about mirrors |
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| 02:05.47 | rumpsy | I wan to get updates through synaptic package manager.. |
| 02:05.57 | abrotman | okay .. so setup your sources.list |
| 02:06.07 | abrotman | or have synaptic do it for you |
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| 02:06.40 | rumpsy | Okay, how to prepae that source.list |
| 02:07.01 | markybob | you read what he sent you |
| 02:07.52 | faffi | Whats the new way of setting up a bluetooth mouse in debian? the wiki seems outdated |
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| 02:10.51 | elik | rumpsy, hey |
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| 02:11.06 | elik | rumpsy, I got your message |
| 02:11.10 | elik | rumpsy, congratulation |
| 02:11.53 | elik | rumpsy, sorry I left so quickly, I live in a chamber and don't have access to our shitty router... and it crashed right after you came back :( |
| 02:12.12 | elik | rumpsy, what was the problem? |
| 02:12.42 | markybob | elik, you live in a chamber? are you a vampire? |
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| 02:13.20 | elik | markybob, arrr |
| 02:13.29 | elik | markybob, I rent a room |
| 02:13.40 | elik | markybob, the router is in another room |
| 02:13.52 | elik | markybob, how do you call that anyway? |
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| 02:14.57 | markybob | elik, it's called renting a room :P there's single a single word for it. |
| 02:15.04 | markybob | there isn't* |
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| 02:16.35 | elik | I live in a house, I live in an apartment, I live in a room ? |
| 02:16.51 | markybob | elik, a house is never an apartment |
| 02:17.19 | benjamindees | an apartment can be in a house... |
| 02:18.10 | markybob | i suppose this is all irrelevant. i was just intrigued at the vampire possibility :P |
| 02:19.03 | faffi | Anyone? Bluetooth mouse in debian with the new bluetoothd? |
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| 02:19.35 | markybob | faffi, learn to google. http://www.bless.li/articles/bluetooth-mouse/ |
| 02:19.35 | benjamindees | I had roommates with a crappy router a while back. Eventually found the problem was that one of the roommates had the password for it and would log in and screw it up every so often. |
| 02:19.37 | rumpsy | elik: I want internet updates for my debian |
| 02:19.48 | elik | markybob, I just ask because English is not my native language |
| 02:19.51 | elik | rumpsy, ok |
| 02:19.58 | faffi | markybob: learn to not be a smart ass, thats the old way NOT using bluetoothd |
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| 02:20.34 | elik | rumpsy, how did you install your system? |
| 02:20.42 | markybob | faffi, ok. so you cant google bluetoothd? |
| 02:20.56 | faffi | markybob: Ive been doing that for the last 10 minutes with fruitless results |
| 02:21.06 | rumpsy | I used DEBIAN dvd to install |
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| 02:22.15 | elik | rumpsy, you will need to find a good mirror near where you live |
| 02:22.45 | elik | rumpsy, edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:23.11 | elik | rumpsy, then: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 02:23.52 | rumpsy | Then, What about the mirrors..? |
| 02:23.57 | benjamindees | rumpsy, apt-get install netselect-apt |
| 02:24.19 | macrobat | rumpsy: man sources.list |
| 02:24.48 | rumpsy | i see... |
| 02:25.36 | abrotman | rumpsy: did you read any of what the bot told you ? |
| 02:25.58 | markybob | abrotman, dont be so demanding |
| 02:25.59 | markybob | :P |
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| 02:26.04 | macrobat | :) |
| 02:26.26 | rumpsy | ya i read those, but those pages were taking time to load. |
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| 02:26.38 | markybob | jesus |
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| 02:29.35 | rumpsy | i used ap-get update.. its working, but slow speed |
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| 02:30.33 | benjamindees | (10:23:50 PM) benjamindees: rumpsy, apt-get install netselect-apt |
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| 02:31.02 | elik | benjamindees, that's a package that allows selection of a good mirror? |
| 02:31.11 | elik | rumpsy, what's your connection speed? |
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| 02:31.40 | rumpsy | Sad to say..256kbps |
| 02:31.42 | benjamindees | !netselect-apt |
| 02:31.42 | dpkg | netselect takes a bunch of servers and uses multiple pings + traceroute to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you (choose the best mirror). netselect-apt will find the fastest debian mirror and write a sources.list file for you!. Ask me about <netselect.etch> |
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| 02:35.12 | elik | benjamindees, fancy, thx |
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| 02:43.07 | rumpsy | Thx, guys... |
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| 02:50.52 | kronic | brainfreeze, what's the ncurses disk utility from the installer called? |
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| 02:51.03 | abrotman | cfdisk ? |
| 02:51.21 | kronic | no |
| 02:53.32 | abrotman | the one in the installer doesn't exist outside of the isntaller .. i think cfdisk is the closest |
| 02:53.46 | kronic | alright, I'll have a look around, cheers |
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| 02:56.00 | xeon-enouf | kronic: what? |
| 02:56.27 | xeon-enouf | partman/libparted |
| 02:57.52 | xeon-enouf | kronic: the installer uses udebs not debs (for size/space considerations) ...don't use udebs as they are highly customized and stripped |
| 02:58.43 | kronic | what? |
| 02:58.51 | xeon-enouf | kronic: what? |
| 02:58.58 | kronic | I was talking about hard disk setup, nevermind I used cfdisk |
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| 02:59.22 | xeon-enouf | and what am i talking about? |
| 02:59.35 | kronic | nfi |
| 02:59.51 | xeon-enouf | !cluebat kronic |
| 02:59.51 | dpkg | beats kronic with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 4! The Debian BTS is at http://bugs.debian.org |
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| 03:00.43 | kronic | it's alright I used cfdisk, no more further discussion needed |
| 03:01.19 | saebbi | hello.. i configured my sound card using alsaconf. playback now works, but only as root. as user i get: /dev/dsp: permission denied |
| 03:02.12 | abrotman | saebbi: is your user in the audio group ?> |
| 03:02.28 | stew | abrotman: no |
| 03:02.38 | saebbi | lol |
| 03:02.44 | abrotman | i was asking him! |
| 03:02.45 | saebbi | ty stew, ty abrotman |
| 03:02.53 | stew | abrotman: but I knew the answer! :P |
| 03:03.27 | abrotman | stew: you're so smart! |
| 03:03.28 | clearscreen | Is it possible to keep us keyboard layout (I have a us keyboard), but add certain special key combo's? for example, I want alt+a to become å |
| 03:03.34 | abrotman | S M R T! |
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| 03:06.33 | saebbi | abrotman, i did `usermod -a -G audio username` but still no sound :( |
| 03:07.33 | abrotman | you have to logout/login |
| 03:07.43 | stew | clearscreen: what version are you running? jaunty? |
| 03:07.56 | clearscreen | stew: squeeze |
| 03:08.17 | stew | clearscreen: xmodmap is what you'd typically use for that |
| 03:08.39 | clearscreen | stew: I'll have a look, thanks :) |
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| 03:09.29 | saebbi | abrotman, awesome. thanks! |
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| 03:16.30 | zeroConf | hey - i wanted to mout devices via uuid in weird locations (different usb disks to be mounted in different spots), so i set them all up in fstab, thinking that was the solution, however now when i reboot, i will get an error... of course... sooooo - i want to specify the mount point via the uuid, but, i also want to reboot without the device attatched.... |
| 03:16.49 | \amethyst | zeroConf: noauto in the options column |
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| 03:17.30 | zeroConf | wicked - thanks amethyst :-) |
| 03:17.31 | zeroConf | trying now |
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| 03:19.21 | zeroConf | ok - its shutdown, now lets see if it coes back up or i got to walk downstairs and press ctrl-d |
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| 03:22.09 | zeroConf | ok i get a bunch of unable to resolve uuid=asdfadfadf errors... |
| 03:22.13 | zeroConf | sec ill do some googling |
| 03:22.44 | shoebox | how do i open bash with a different working directory? |
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| 03:23.06 | shoebox | is it possible? |
| 03:24.04 | shoebox | instead of my user's directory |
| 03:25.20 | zeroConf | shoebox - set the home path in etc passwd |
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| 03:26.08 | shoebox | i wanted something more like a command line option.. sort of like "bash -d /home/blabla/bla" |
| 03:26.26 | shoebox | or bash -command "cd /home/blabla" |
| 03:26.37 | shoebox | it probably doesn't exist =\ |
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| 03:27.51 | markybob | shoebox, bash && cd /home/blabla will work |
| 03:28.06 | xeon-enouf | shoebox: cd /diff/workdir ; bash ? |
| 03:28.27 | benjamindees | markybob: no it won't |
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| 03:34.13 | benjamindees | you could create a custom bashrc that sources your ~/.bashrc and then changes the directory |
| 03:34.28 | benjamindees | and then use --rcfile |
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| 03:37.48 | rumpsy | i get error msg "bad gcc" when i about to configure xine |
| 03:38.30 | benjamindees | !debian-multimedia |
| 03:38.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 03:39.20 | benjamindees | rumpsy, why are you building xine? |
| 03:39.39 | xeon-enouf | benjamindees: .bashrc is already sourced, as per ~/.bash_profile or ~/,profile |
| 03:39.51 | rumpsy | To play all kind of multimedia files |
| 03:40.20 | xeon-enouf | rumpsy: your gcc is bad |
| 03:41.06 | zeroConf | i read the man page :-) |
| 03:41.08 | benjamindees | !w32codecs |
| 03:41.09 | zeroConf | <--- dickhead |
| 03:41.09 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages. |
| 03:41.15 | zeroConf | changed 2 to 0 fixed :-) |
| 03:41.35 | xeon-enouf | !42 |
| 03:41.35 | dpkg | 42 is probably the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 03:41.36 | benjamindees | dpkg, zeroConf is a dickhead |
| 03:41.36 | dpkg | ...but zeroconf is already something else... |
| 03:41.57 | benjamindees | dpkg, your lack of faith is disturbing |
| 03:41.57 | dpkg | benjamindees: okay |
| 03:42.26 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: zeroConf is also a dickhead |
| 03:42.26 | dpkg | okay, xeon-enouf |
| 03:42.27 | zeroConf | lol |
| 03:42.36 | zeroConf | :-) |
| 03:42.52 | rumpsy | how to make a good gcc from bad |
| 03:43.02 | xeon-enouf | install good |
| 03:43.08 | xeon-enouf | remove bad |
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| 03:47.33 | stew | xeon-enouf: can you please undo your change to that factoid? |
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| 03:48.10 | xeon-enouf | sure |
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| 03:48.30 | kronic | ok, I have two 1tb hdds, I setup raid on 1 hdd, and now I've added a second hdd. 3 raid partitions, I've managed to sync/rebuild 2/3 of the partitions, 250m /boot and 2gb swap, however about 2% through rebuilding the near 1tb LVM the systems powers off |
| 03:48.44 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: zeroConf =~ s/also a dickhead// |
| 03:48.44 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: that doesn't contain 'also a dickhead' |
| 03:48.54 | xeon-enouf | wait |
| 03:49.06 | stew | xeon-enouf: if you did it in PM, that would be fine |
| 03:49.12 | rumpsy | Are you talking to me... |
| 03:50.03 | xeon-enouf | stew: done |
| 03:50.03 | stew | rumpsy: nobody was talking to you. what do you mean be "good gcc" or "bad"? |
| 03:50.05 | stew | thanks |
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| 03:50.34 | rumpsy | When i build xine, i get error msg bad gcc |
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| 03:51.08 | stew | rumpsy: is the build-essential package installed? |
| 03:51.08 | benjamindees | rumpsy, don't build xine. just install the right package(s). why are you building xine? |
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| 03:51.23 | stew | or, yeah, what he said |
| 03:51.33 | xeon-enouf | sleeps and snores |
| 03:52.22 | rumpsy | Do you mean i don't know how to build? |
| 03:53.03 | stew | rumpsy: no, we meant that perhaps you don't have to build |
| 03:53.23 | stew | rumpsy: but if you want to build, you'll want to install the build-essential package if its not already installed |
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| 03:54.09 | rumpsy | Stew: Cool, i try that now.. |
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| 03:55.33 | stew | judd: versions xine |
| 03:55.33 | judd | stew: xine -- |
| 03:55.45 | stew | hmm, I would have thought that dmm had it |
| 03:55.51 | stew | and why is judd not identified? |
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| 03:56.15 | shoebox | benjamindees: that's nice.. it works.. but i realized it's not bash i want to open.. it's xterm =P |
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| 03:56.32 | rumpsy | stew: Right now i'm installing essentials |
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| 04:00.41 | benjamindees | shoebox: xterm /bin/bash -rcfile blahblah |
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| 04:01.33 | nanux | Hello, I'm on China, completly lost and I need to configure L2TP on my debian box. The only information I got is the following one http://paste2.org/p/422461 and http://paste2.org/p/422463 ... I got stuck on the routing part |
| 04:02.22 | nanux | Any help is appreciated, because I lack the comunications skills needed to make me understand with the IT people, and they just told me to go on windows. Thanks |
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| 04:02.46 | shoebox | that's right.. forgive me, i'm sleep deprived. thanks a lot, benjamindees |
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| 04:03.57 | benjamindees | np |
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| 04:23.04 | dkay | Hello #debian. ive tried to add an user with which i can login via key. but the provided key isnt accpeted. what ive did wrong? ive created the publickey.txt file in /home/user/.ssh/ and also an authorized_keys in /home/user/.ssh and the key is also in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 04:23.09 | dkay | what i did wrong? |
| 04:23.59 | dkay | login with key protected root accont is possible, but as an user i can not log in with an key |
| 04:24.07 | Guerin_ | dkay: 1.wtf is publickey.txt and how did you create it? |
| 04:24.37 | dkay | wow, sry, it is called id_rsa.pub |
| 04:24.37 | Guerin_ | dkay: 2. specify which computers each file is on |
| 04:25.02 | dkay | both running debian |
| 04:25.07 | Guerin_ | irrelevant |
| 04:25.12 | dkay | 5.0.3 |
| 04:25.15 | Guerin_ | irrelevant |
| 04:25.32 | dkay | oh |
| 04:25.41 | dkay | ive got the id_rsa on my homecomputer |
| 04:25.43 | ajavid | Guerin_, hi |
| 04:25.49 | Guerin_ | ajavid: howdy\ |
| 04:25.53 | dkay | and the id_rsa.pub on the remotemachine |
| 04:25.56 | ajavid | what are you trying to do? |
| 04:26.00 | ajavid | passwordless ssh? |
| 04:26.04 | ajavid | keybased auth? |
| 04:26.06 | ajavid | host based auth> |
| 04:26.17 | dkay | publickey yes |
| 04:26.25 | dkay | keybased auth |
| 04:26.36 | dkay | login with root account is possible |
| 04:27.02 | dkay | but when i try the same procedure with an useraccount my key isnt accepted |
| 04:27.07 | ajavid | ssh-keygen -t rsa; scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@remotehost.com:/home/username/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 04:27.35 | ajavid | then call it a day. |
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| 04:28.53 | ajavid | Guerin_, been working on my website lately |
| 04:28.57 | ajavid | msg |
| 04:29.02 | dkay | ajavid: what exactly is wrong if i create the key at /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
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| 04:29.12 | dkay | as copy with scp? |
| 04:29.12 | ajavid | Guerin_, let me know what you think if you think anything at all |
| 04:29.27 | ajavid | dkay, nothing I suppose |
| 04:29.34 | ajavid | though if you knew what you were doing you'd have it working by now. |
| 04:29.43 | dkay | ok, but the file is already created and not accpeted |
| 04:29.52 | ajavid | friday night and im gone. |
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| 04:29.58 | ajavid | good luck brother. |
| 04:30.00 | dkay | is there something in sshd_config maybe? |
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| 04:30.09 | dkay | well, thanks |
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| 04:32.22 | jaggz | I've never used twitter and can't find a client for it in debian... |
| 04:32.38 | jaggz | but I'm interested in communicating with science fridays radio program |
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| 04:32.57 | ajavid | I use Yoono (firefox addon) |
| 04:33.24 | ajavid | I don't know of any standalone twitter clients |
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| 04:33.52 | ajavid | usually IM consolidating apps may feature it alongside facebook, myspace, blogger, gtalk, etc. |
| 04:34.06 | ajavid | like pidgin, kopete, yoono, meebo |
| 04:34.09 | ajavid | etc. |
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| 04:35.21 | stew | dkay: i recommend using ssh-copy-id to move the keys around which makes sure permissions are correct, which is usually the problem in these cases. make sure that NO ancestor directory is group/world writable |
| 04:35.37 | stew | dkay: and these problems are easier debugged from the server side: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 04:35.55 | ajavid | nice |
| 04:36.10 | ajavid | copy to knotes, and /msg dpkg |
| 04:36.16 | ajavid | stew, thanks too |
| 04:37.01 | dkay | stew: yea well ill try it this way. and also create an own key for the user. |
| 04:37.14 | dkay | maybe it fixes |
| 04:37.21 | ajavid | i didn't know of ssh-copy-id |
| 04:37.31 | ajavid | or the debug sshd factoir |
| 04:37.47 | ajavid | alright, peace out |
| 04:38.00 | stew | ajavid: this is like the 3rd time you've said that |
| 04:38.12 | stew | that meaning "i didn't know about ssh-copy-id" |
| 04:38.28 | ajavid | i have? |
| 04:38.32 | dkay | ssh-keygen -t rsa; scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@remotehost.com:/home/username/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 04:38.41 | dkay | it is the same? |
| 04:38.44 | ajavid | i am trying to leave. |
| 04:38.50 | ajavid | i'll talk to you later. |
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| 04:39.42 | stew | dkay: maybe. it depends on the umask on the server. what are the permissions of /home, /home/username /home/usrname/.ssh and /home/username/.ssh/authorized_keys2 ? |
| 04:39.55 | stew | (ssh-copy-id would create authorized_keys, not authorized_keys2, but either is fine) |
| 04:39.56 | ajavid | (I used to smoked pot for many years and my memory is bad. Obviously, I didn't remember. So it could be the 1 billionth time and it still doesn't matter.) |
| 04:40.17 | ajavid | as I said, I copied what you said to knotes. |
| 04:40.17 | dkay | ahm, permissons of authorized_keys2 is 600 |
| 04:40.23 | stew | that's good |
| 04:40.23 | dkay | .ssh has 700 |
| 04:40.25 | ajavid | as I have started to realize I am forgetful a lot |
| 04:40.27 | stew | that's good |
| 04:40.32 | ajavid | I try to copy things into notepads |
| 04:40.39 | ajavid | that way i make sure I will remember later on |
| 04:40.46 | dkay | # /home and /home/user i guess 755 |
| 04:41.21 | ajavid | now it is time to party! good bye |
| 04:41.35 | dkay | well, ill try it like explained. |
| 04:41.43 | stew | 755 is fine |
| 04:41.58 | dkay | can someone tell me how to add the whole addons for firefox!? flashplayer and the other stuff? |
| 04:42.17 | dkay | its my second day with linux at home and havent figured out |
| 04:42.52 | stew | dkay: run "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222" on the server then run "ssh -p 2222 -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa user@remotehost" from the client and see what error comes out on the server |
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| 04:43.07 | dkay | stew: that means al the permissions are set correct. didnt browsed trough the sshd_config, maybe there is something to edit? |
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| 04:43.27 | stew | dkay: there shouldn't be, but there is no reason to guess, sshd -d will give you the exact problem |
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| 04:44.54 | dkay | stew: i didnt know about that command! does it change the port permanently? |
| 04:45.06 | dkay | or just temporär? |
| 04:45.21 | stew | dkay: no, this starts a second server running in debug mode on a different port, it doesn't affect the other ssh server |
| 04:45.27 | dkay | i am using an totally different btw. not 22 and not 2222 |
| 04:45.33 | dkay | ok |
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| 04:51.44 | dkay | wow, ive opened the firewall policys but there is no effect |
| 04:51.48 | dkay | nothing happens |
| 04:52.08 | dkay | looks like they can not communicate over 2222 |
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| 04:53.27 | stew | dkay: 2222 isn't anything special. any port would do |
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| 05:18.47 | dkay | re: |
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| 05:24.00 | dkay | stew: could not resolve hostname /root/.ssh/id_rsa: Name or Service not known |
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| 05:24.54 | stew | dkay: you said you created ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub and I assumed ~/.ssh/id_rsa came with it |
| 05:25.08 | stew | dkay: are you running this as root when you don't mean to be? |
| 05:25.29 | stew | dkay: oh wait, are you trying to run that on the server? that should be run from the client that has the key that isn't working |
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| 05:26.57 | maour | is it possible to rescue a debian system with fedora cd ? |
| 05:27.16 | dkay | i am a little bit confused! wait: ive created that key yesterday. i do use this key as root! key login is working. Now i just want to append that key to an user and disbale root login |
| 05:27.58 | dkay | ive choosen the same way: create /home/user/.ssh chmod 700 and pasted the .pub into /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 05:28.02 | dkay | with chmod 600 |
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| 05:28.49 | Kaj | How can I install a nvidia driver for new 2.6.31? I think I need to compile new kernel headers. How? |
| 05:28.52 | dkay | and then i try to run : ssh -i /path/key user@ip |
| 05:29.26 | dkay | but it wont accept |
| 05:29.34 | stew | dkay: do you know the password for user@ip ? |
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| 05:30.02 | dkay | i persoanlly set the passwd for user, but passwordauth is set to no. |
| 05:30.02 | stew | dkay: if so, then run "ssh-copy-id user@ip" instead of copying the key by hand |
| 05:30.20 | stew | dkay: make sure you didn't paste any newlines by mistake |
| 05:30.21 | dkay | ok |
| 05:30.35 | Vasistha | maour: maybe. I don't know who would help you with it, though. We probably won't be able to help you running in a fedora environment, and the fedora people won't be able to help you fix your system. So you're kind of on your own. Do you have any idea what went wrong? |
| 05:30.38 | stew | (ssh-copy-id won't work if password auth doesn't) |
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| 05:31.03 | dkay | 'ssh-copy-id user@ip' is the whole command? |
| 05:31.37 | stew | maour: you can boot the fedora cd, mount the debian partitions somewhere (lets say /mnt) then "chroot /mnt" to get into the debian environment, then run "mount -a" to mount the rest of the debian filesystems, fix whatever needs to be fixed |
| 05:31.39 | dkay | ill set to yes temporarly, to |
| 05:31.56 | stew | maour: if what needs to be fixed involves /dev you might want to bind mount that into /mnt |
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| 05:32.00 | maour | stew: good idea , i'll try |
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| 05:33.30 | dkay | stew: No identities found! i believe i am doing something wrong :X |
| 05:34.08 | stew | dkay: then use ssh-copy-id -i /path/to/id_rsa user@ip |
| 05:34.21 | dkay | well, that makes sense :) |
| 05:34.24 | stew | dkay: and when you test logging in, try "ssh -i /path/to/id_rs user@ip" |
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| 05:34.33 | stew | actually try testing that way first |
| 05:35.05 | dkay | not copy that .pub i have to copy the key? |
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| 05:36.22 | stew | dkay: no, you have to copy the .pub |
| 05:36.29 | dkay | eh, no response since 1 minute |
| 05:36.36 | dkay | its still at the copy process |
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| 05:39.08 | dkay | Bad Port unmaks 077. ill give it up |
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| 05:51.58 | maour | should i run grub-install /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 |
| 05:52.19 | dkay | stew: well, thanks for supporting. i just created the key as user and it works xD i got luck, thanks |
| 05:52.35 | dkay | i thnk sda1 |
| 05:52.40 | dkay | cause sda is the whole |
| 05:52.43 | dkay | but i am not sure |
| 05:52.55 | dkay | sda is similar to an id, harddrive id? |
| 05:53.12 | benjamindees | maour, if linux is the only thing on the disk use sda |
| 05:53.14 | dkay | wait for an reply i am not sure |
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| 05:54.15 | maour | benjamindees: acctually there is a win32 on sda and linux on sdb ! then is should run grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 05:55.16 | benjamindees | you have two disks? |
| 05:55.21 | maour | yes |
| 05:55.44 | benjamindees | what is the problem you are having? |
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| 05:56.05 | maour | i just see a message that says grub on boot |
| 05:56.08 | maour | and nothing happens |
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| 05:57.09 | Andorin | I'm experiencing some nasty lag on certain websites (like Facebook) and certain minor graphics features on my PC. This is a relatively new Debian install. How to troubleshoot? |
| 05:57.13 | benjamindees | this is after you installed Debian to hdb ? |
| 05:58.05 | maour | benjamindees: i have installed debian few days a go , but this message just appeared today ! |
| 05:58.17 | Andorin | hdb? Hard drive? Yes. |
| 05:58.23 | Andorin | Oh. |
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| 05:58.34 | maour | Hm! system says sdb |
| 05:58.35 | benjamindees | Andorin: what browser? do you have flash installed? |
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| 05:58.53 | Andorin | benjamindees: The default install of Iceweasel, and yes, I have Flash. |
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| 05:59.18 | greenpumpkins | Andorin: are you using iceweasel? I've got the same, but was thinking it was js |
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| 06:00.05 | benjamindees | I almost suggested js actually because I have that problem on an Etch install |
| 06:00.07 | Andorin | I am using Iceweasel, yes. The weird thing is that the same install, on my lower-spec laptop, isn't having these issues as far as I know. On this higher-end PC, though, it's kinda nasty. |
| 06:01.26 | Andorin | Could it be JS? I dunno. There's one difference between this comp and my laptop: On my laptop I did a netinstall and on this PC I just burned the first .iso for a base graphical system, then started installing things as necessary. |
| 06:01.31 | benjamindees | maour: and you had dual-boot working at some point? |
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| 06:01.41 | greenlumpkin | Andorin: AMD or intel, i'm on amd64 |
| 06:01.41 | maour | yes |
| 06:01.55 | Andorin | Pretty sure this is Intel. |
| 06:02.33 | macrobat | maour: i think the first mbr (sda) is read, so i would put grub on that and let grub boot linux and win both |
| 06:03.05 | macrobat | Andorin: do you have a driver for your gfx-card? |
| 06:03.13 | Andorin | macrobat: I don't know. |
| 06:03.42 | maour | oh! i just run grub-install /dev/sdb and after rebooting menu appeard but say Filesystem type unknown ! error 17:cannot mount selected partition |
| 06:03.52 | greenlumpkin | i'm running nvidia, but i've also tried the nv driver, it doesn't make a difference here |
| 06:03.58 | maour | i mean after selecting debian for example |
| 06:04.32 | benjamindees | maour: did you re-arrange your disks or what? |
| 06:05.20 | macrobat | maour: try grub-install /dev/sda then |
| 06:05.45 | macrobat | Andorin: what gfx-card? |
| 06:05.47 | maour | benjamindees: i don't know ! this is someone else system |
| 06:06.02 | benjamindees | maour: I would check that your fstab is correct in rescue mode. |
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| 06:07.00 | benjamindees | it sounds like someone re-arranged the disks or swapped them in the BIOS |
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| 06:07.57 | macrobat | disk names can be swapped when you put another disk in |
| 06:07.57 | maour | macrobat: but grub get back , why should i do it on /dev/sda |
| 06:08.44 | macrobat | when you boot your machine, the mbr on the first disk is read, its a good thing to have grub there |
| 06:08.47 | maour | fdisk -l shows same name as before |
| 06:08.53 | benjamindees | maour, you shouldn't |
| 06:09.57 | maour | benjamindees: on fstab /dev/sdb1 that is / in options it has errors=remount-ro ! |
| 06:10.00 | maour | what is this ! :-/ |
| 06:10.14 | macrobat | benjamindees: what should the mbr on sda be used for? besides partitions? |
| 06:10.23 | Andorin | macrobat: From lspci, would this be it? "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)" |
| 06:10.37 | macrobat | if there are errors, remount the partition read only |
| 06:11.01 | maour | macrobat: should i edit fstab ? |
| 06:11.10 | benjamindees | macrobat, it's not guaranteed that the first disk will be booted first; and the windows bootloader may be on it. |
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| 06:11.29 | maour | sda is win32 and sdb is lin |
| 06:11.41 | maour | it worked before , but not now! :( |
| 06:12.17 | beanrc | nice |
| 06:12.29 | macrobat | why would anyone want the windows bootloader? |
| 06:13.31 | macrobat | i guess one could back it up, just for fun |
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| 06:14.13 | benjamindees | macrobat, for chainloading, since grub doesn't have a perfect record in booting Windows reliably |
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| 06:14.52 | beanrc | nice |
| 06:15.00 | macrobat | Andorin: do you have a intel driver installed? xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 06:15.44 | Andorin | macrobat: Is that a command? I get 'command not found.' |
| 06:16.13 | beanrc | nice |
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| 06:16.50 | morpheuss | HI all |
| 06:17.20 | macrobat | aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 06:17.26 | macrobat | its a package |
| 06:18.52 | Andorin | macrobat: Output. http://pastebin.com/d40488e2f |
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| 06:20.34 | macrobat | its installed, Andorin. do you have this entry in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? driver "intel" |
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| 06:21.15 | Andorin | It says driver "kbd" |
| 06:21.35 | Andorin | Oh, wait. |
| 06:21.40 | Andorin | That's under keyboard, sorry. *is tired* |
| 06:21.52 | macrobat | under device |
| 06:22.08 | xsquared | hi there. Can someone point me in the direction of some good reading material for deploying workstations in a commercial situation? LDAP / Remote mounted /home directories etc |
| 06:22.11 | Andorin | I'll just show you the whole thing. http://pastebin.com/d6bd19d23 |
| 06:22.12 | benjamindees | maour, at the grub menu, edit the highlighted entry and verify both of the 'root' directives |
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| 06:23.35 | benjamindees | xsquared: I believe LTSP has some decent documentation |
| 06:24.13 | macrobat | Andorin: uder the Identifier "Configured Video Device" line |
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| 06:24.14 | xsquared | benjamindees, I did check that out... but that is more for thin clients. I don't really want to go down the thin client path |
| 06:24.21 | CuteAlien | hi! I've got many crashes since a few days (kde restarting, even kernel-crashes) and as I didn't change Software I suspect hardware. Now I wonder if there are any tools to do stresstests for memory, graphiccard etc which might help me give an idea what's happening. Does anyone know of any such tool? |
| 06:24.24 | macrobat | Andorin: put Driver "intel" |
| 06:24.34 | macrobat | Andorin: and restart X |
| 06:24.36 | Andorin | Done. |
| 06:24.44 | Andorin | Okay, hold on. |
| 06:24.47 | benjamindees | xsquared, many of the issues are the same |
| 06:25.07 | Andorin | ...actually, now that I think about it, is there a quicker way to restart X than rebooting my computer? |
| 06:25.20 | macrobat | CuteAlien: there is the phoronix test suite |
| 06:25.27 | CuteAlien | Andorin, strg+alt+backspace |
| 06:25.32 | xsquared | benjamindees, okay, thanks.. i'll check it out more |
| 06:25.39 | Andorin | strg? |
| 06:25.43 | CuteAlien | macrobat, thanks |
| 06:25.51 | CuteAlien | Andorin, ups - ctrl in non-german keyboards ^^ |
| 06:25.58 | Andorin | Ah, okay. Thanks. |
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| 06:27.36 | Andorin | Alright, x was restarted, but I'm still lagging. |
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| 06:28.19 | Triumph | I'm out be back soon. |
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| 06:29.44 | benjamindees | xsquared, you kind of have to decide what you want to use and piece it together but there's documentation out there on PAM, NIS/NFS, SMB, AFS, LDAP etc... |
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| 06:30.02 | dkay | i would like to add the firefox addons. how do i do that? |
| 06:30.39 | Andorin | macrobat: In case you didn't see that, I'm still lagging. |
| 06:31.50 | macrobat | i heard facebook is a slow site, i dont know |
| 06:32.14 | Andorin | It isn't just Facebook. |
| 06:32.24 | Andorin | For example, minimizing a window also lag. |
| 06:32.25 | Andorin | lags. |
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| 06:32.53 | macrobat | do you use desktop effects? |
| 06:32.56 | xsquared | benjamindees, I have been thinking about how I'd piece it together. I want to have some sort of network boot/imaging thing to keep all the machines in sync. There are about 30 machines |
| 06:33.16 | benjamindees | Andorin, I'd try using top to check the cpu usage of different sites; try disabling flash/js, etc... |
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| 06:33.24 | Andorin | Nope, not as far as I can tell. |
| 06:33.43 | Andorin | benjamindees: top is a program? |
| 06:33.49 | xsquared | and I was talking to one of my mates who suggested have an NFS share hosting /home and mount that on bootup |
| 06:33.54 | macrobat | dkay you go to tools > addons in your iceweasel |
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| 06:34.11 | benjamindees | xsquared, unfortunately most of the solutions are designed for huge networks and 30 desktops is a lot of work unless you use something like LTSP. |
| 06:34.44 | macrobat | top is a program, htop is even more fun, install it :) |
| 06:34.53 | Andorin | Alrighty. |
| 06:35.01 | benjamindees | xsquared, at one point RH had a nice solution for fat clients on small networks but they mothballed it. |
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| 06:36.02 | Andorin | Okay, I got htop. |
| 06:36.15 | Andorin | I'm running it and the UI looks a little confusing. |
| 06:36.25 | benjamindees | xsquared: NFS is a good solution but there are security issues. |
| 06:36.40 | Andorin | Actually, I can make some sense of it. |
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| 06:37.18 | Andorin | Wow. When I scroll down on Facebook, Iceweasel jumps right to the top of the list. |
| 06:37.21 | xsquared | benjamindees, yes, thats what he said. I asked about using sshfs but he said because its userland it is a lot slower.. or something |
| 06:38.20 | benjamindees | xsquared: I would almost suggest looking at network block device or iscsi |
| 06:39.05 | macrobat | Andorin: anti-aliasing of fonts can draw resources, maybe you can turn that down a notch |
| 06:39.09 | mischief | Andorin, htop is amazing. :) |
| 06:39.21 | Andorin | macrobat: Alright, sec. |
| 06:39.59 | xsquared | at work we have 30 machines all running windows. Everyday people complain that their profile isn't loading and constant problems with accessing things. The windows servers have to be rebooted every day. There is no specific reason they are using windows. I am thinking maybe I should suggest a change of scenery. |
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| 06:40.53 | benjamindees | yes apparently remote profiles on Windows is so crappy it's rarely used for more than a few users |
| 06:41.27 | Andorin | macrobat: Actually, now that I think about it, I don't even know how to configure anti-aliasing fonts on Debian GNOME, so I doubt it's on. |
| 06:41.30 | xsquared | its nightmarish. and ridiculously slow and buggy |
| 06:42.02 | benjamindees | I've had a few issues with NFS related to wine but no performance issues. |
| 06:42.09 | xsquared | so if you were to go about managing 30 machines, would you go down the LTSP path? |
| 06:42.32 | benjamindees | xsquared: honestly I'm not sure what I would do. I haven't thought about it in a while. |
| 06:42.32 | catsup | the machines have hard drives |
| 06:42.42 | catsup | so keep the home directories local |
| 06:42.47 | macrobat | Andorin: play with your settings. i dont use gnome, so i dont know. maybe you can find something in http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 06:42.59 | catsup | share them from there if you need to share |
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| 06:43.07 | benjamindees | xsquared, it depends on what kind of local support they are willing to pay for |
| 06:43.49 | macrobat | xfce4 or openbox are leaner than gnome |
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| 06:44.10 | xsquared | why would you not remotely host home directories? |
| 06:44.18 | catsup | um |
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| 06:44.39 | catsup | because disk access is faster and more reliable than network access |
| 06:45.34 | Andorin | macrobat: Can you think of anything that would cause this lag besides antialiasing fonts? |
| 06:45.54 | benjamindees | Centralized storage is *much* easier to maintain. And making the local clients read-only makes them easier to maintain as well. |
| 06:46.23 | catsup | it's not really that hard |
| 06:47.04 | benjamindees | Depends. If it's a 9-5 office, perhaps. Otherwise, backups are difficult. |
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| 06:47.17 | catsup | not really |
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| 06:47.37 | catsup | just run rsync |
| 06:47.40 | benjamindees | hardware failures are difficult to detect |
| 06:48.10 | catsup | well i don't know you seem to be committed to the idea |
| 06:48.25 | benjamindees | rsync can create a huge mess if run on a system in use |
| 06:48.40 | catsup | well that's true about any backup |
| 06:48.49 | catsup | lvm snapshots are the way to go if you're concerned about that |
| 06:48.56 | catsup | [i mean that would also be true for nfs] |
| 06:49.22 | xsquared | is now completely confused. |
| 06:49.36 | benjamindees | 30 desktops is enough that you want to treat them as disposable |
| 06:49.48 | benjamindees | as much as possible |
| 06:50.02 | catsup | that doesn't mean that the data shouldn't be local to the machine |
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| 06:50.48 | benjamindees | it's a tradeoff; like I said it depends on what kind of support we're talking about. |
| 06:50.50 | catsup | e.g., you could even do a fai install, make the machines really disposable, but still |
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| 06:51.00 | catsup | anyway actually 30 desktops isn't so many |
| 06:51.58 | benjamindees | depends on the user; depends on what you want to spend your time doing; depends on how much time is dedicated to the task. |
| 06:52.04 | xsquared | well, it would be nice if any user could log on to any machine and get their settings from their /home directory |
| 06:52.23 | benjamindees | 30 accountants is probably nothing; but 30 doctors can be a pita |
| 06:52.27 | catsup | xsquared: yeah. but that's possible either way. |
| 06:53.10 | catsup | xsquared: if a person ordinarily uses a certain machine, you can put their home directory on that machine |
| 06:53.21 | catsup | xsquared: and then have every other machine nfs mount it from there |
| 06:53.26 | catsup | when they log in |
| 06:53.30 | WormFood | put your home directory on usb or nfs |
| 06:54.00 | benjamindees | usb would wear out quickly |
| 06:54.10 | xsquared | yeah, not a fan of usbs |
| 06:54.15 | catsup | that way you don't have to deal with the issues of having a network fs, except when you really need it, which is a rare case probably |
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| 06:54.41 | benjamindees | but a pcmcia hard drive would be cool to carry around |
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| 06:55.00 | benjamindees | home dir on an ipod |
| 06:55.00 | catsup | you also don't have to worry about a server going down making the whole 30 computers stop working |
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| 06:56.03 | benjamindees | catsup, true, that would be an issue without local support. |
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| 06:56.24 | catsup | that's an issue for whoever maintains the server |
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| 06:56.59 | catsup | in order to really do it right you need a pretty complex failover setup |
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| 06:57.20 | catsup | gfs on the fileservers, IP address takeover |
| 06:57.22 | catsup | it's a big hassle |
| 06:57.35 | benjamindees | anything more complex than a UPS, RAID, and someone to manage it is overkill |
| 06:57.38 | catsup | in practice what you do is just wait 'til it breaks, and then try and fix it ASAP while the whole office waits |
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| 06:58.13 | xsquared | well, i was thinking along these lines: Have a separate installation for every machine. On bootup, we mount the /home share. Once mounted, user does stuff, and on logout/shutdown, the /home/user directory gets copied to /tmp, then is unmounted and copied back into the /home directory so that it resides on the local machine |
| 06:58.14 | catsup | of course every time it breaks they will blame you for it happening, and they will be right |
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| 06:58.25 | benjamindees | in reality we're talking about competing with a Windows server here so as long as it doesn't run out of disk space and self-destruct you'd be ahead |
| 06:58.47 | brutus | hey, how do I give global key bindings to rhythmbox? |
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| 06:59.05 | catsup | xsquared: you wouldn't want to do that with copying, of course, you could just move the mount [mount --move] but you don't want to do that even, look at coda or afs, or some other caching nfs solution |
| 06:59.21 | catsup | nfs4 has some sort of caching support, i'm not sure if it supports offline use though |
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| 07:00.08 | benjamindees | xsquared, you had better be willing to disconnect the power buttons and add local UPSes if you want to do anything "on logout". |
| 07:00.19 | catsup | xsquared: if you do it the way you describe though, you're getting network performance, and when nfs goes down, you still go down; basically you get all the disadvantages of nfs, and effectively all you have locally is a backup |
| 07:00.26 | benjamindees | and I say that from experience ;) |
| 07:00.52 | catsup | [when i say network performance, i mean network isntead of disk, i.e., slower] |
| 07:00.52 | xsquared | haha okay :P |
| 07:01.22 | catsup | i think you really don'tw ant to use nfs, xsquared |
| 07:01.26 | catsup | not with a central server |
| 07:01.43 | catsup | because it will go down, and you will be blamed, you see what i'm saying? |
| 07:01.49 | brutus | How do I give global keybindings to rhythmbox? |
| 07:01.56 | xsquared | yeah, but that is how it is at the moment anyway |
| 07:02.05 | catsup | no |
| 07:02.09 | catsup | you're not being blamed at the moment |
| 07:02.13 | catsup | so that's a lot better |
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| 07:03.06 | M4573R | hey guys, i have a problem with an update that wont install |
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| 07:03.42 | benjamindees | network is not really that much slower than disk for most office tasks |
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| 07:04.04 | xsquared | catsup, they are using a DFSROOT (windows distributed file system) for hosting the work files |
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| 07:04.22 | catsup | xsquared: yeah and when it doesn't work they blame microsoft |
| 07:04.23 | benjamindees | not to mention managing/upgrading disk space on local workstations |
| 07:04.37 | catsup | xsquared: but if you implement a replacement, they will blame you for its failures, so it can't fail |
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| 07:04.58 | catsup | benjamindees: you seem to me to be grasping at straws |
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| 07:05.08 | M4573R | is there a way i can clear and update that is failing when i run `dpkg --configure -a` |
| 07:05.20 | benjamindees | catsup, I've actually done what we're talking about. have you? |
| 07:05.32 | xsquared | catsup, how are you suggesting that this setup be done then? |
| 07:05.40 | catsup | benjamindees: yes i've done all kinds of stuff like this |
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| 07:06.01 | catsup | M4573R: can you specify exactly what the error is |
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| 07:06.24 | M4573R | update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 07:06.29 | sandman | Hi! I'm trying to run Debian Lenny as a guest under virtualbox, and it will not, under any circumstance, allow networking. |
| 07:06.34 | sandman | It doesn't even see eth* |
| 07:06.34 | catsup | xsquared: i was just recommending keeping the home dir of a user local to that user's, and then sharing it to other machines frmo there, if it needs to be shared |
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| 07:07.05 | catsup | xsquared: you can use NIS to share the user accounts and have the home directory specified as an nfs share in your NIS passwd |
| 07:07.17 | benjamindees | catsup, so how much would you say managing 30 desktops on Linux costs? hardware and labor? |
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| 07:07.34 | catsup | benjamindees: i don't know |
| 07:07.47 | benjamindees | cost wasn't a factor? |
| 07:07.59 | catsup | it's not a very specific question |
| 07:08.04 | sandman | Fresh i386 install. I just installed a base system via the net. Then, I renamed the VDI file to base.vdi, and copied it to workstation.avi (I'm going to use base.vdi to clone the system later) |
| 07:08.33 | benjamindees | 30 average office workers on Debian seems fair |
| 07:08.35 | sandman | So anyway. Booting the system with workstation.vdi, networking does not work. Booting it with base.vdi, networking works |
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| 07:08.48 | sandman | They're the exact same system. the .vdi are exact duplicates |
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| 07:08.59 | sandman | Yet, networking doesn't work in the cloned one. Little strange? |
| 07:09.10 | sandman | I did all this twice to verify. Does the exact same thing |
| 07:09.33 | catsup | M4573R: oh well you should debug mkinitramfs i guess |
| 07:09.55 | xsquared | cost isn't a big factor here |
| 07:10.16 | xsquared | im more interested in the most appropriate way to get this working with minimum hassle |
| 07:10.52 | catsup | well the big hassles won't be in setting up home directory sharing, however you do that |
| 07:10.54 | xsquared | i've had enough of people complaining that their profile isn't loading, and the windows servers freeze for no obvious reason |
| 07:11.11 | catsup | people will have completely different complaints if you switch them all to debian |
| 07:11.24 | benjamindees | yeah the big hassle will be Windows -> Linux |
| 07:11.32 | xsquared | what would I expect? |
| 07:11.51 | benjamindees | "Why doesn't my iPhone work with Debian?" |
| 07:11.51 | catsup | flash doesn't work! =D |
| 07:11.53 | xsquared | apart from the "the start button doesn't say start anymore" etc etc |
| 07:11.55 | benjamindees | basically |
| 07:12.08 | xsquared | flash doesn't work anyway |
| 07:12.20 | catsup | "it worked fine before. what did you do?" |
| 07:12.31 | catsup | ;) |
| 07:12.51 | benjamindees | "Why can't I do this <tiny obscure feature from Windows>?" |
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| 07:13.19 | M4573R | catsup: thanks, it does look like mkinitramfs isn't working how can i reinstall it with my system in this condition? |
| 07:13.23 | benjamindees | click-to-sort-to-print-to-drag-and-drop-etc-etc |
| 07:13.34 | xsquared | because there are no chances for viruses this way. |
| 07:13.35 | xsquared | ;) |
| 07:13.43 | catsup | M4573R: reinstalling it probably won't do anything for you |
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| 07:14.20 | M4573R | catsup: what do you think the issue is? |
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| 07:15.16 | catsup | M4573R: you haven't given enough information to know, maybe you can run mkinitramfs -v to find out |
| 07:15.38 | benjamindees | xsquared: so I gather you're the "IT guy" for these 30 desktops? |
| 07:15.44 | M4573R | all it says is Terminating... |
| 07:15.53 | JohnLouis | Where could I ask some PHP.ini question? Running on Debian. |
| 07:15.55 | catsup | M4573R: you have free disk space right? |
| 07:16.02 | M4573R | yes, lots |
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| 07:16.43 | catsup | M4573R: um what is the command and output |
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| 07:17.10 | M4573R | which command? |
| 07:17.20 | catsup | mkinitramfs, i assume |
| 07:17.24 | catsup | whatever it is that says Terminating... |
| 07:17.41 | catsup | you aren't providing enough info to know what's going on |
| 07:17.42 | xsquared | benjamindees, one of the IT guys. That doesn't really have much to do with the sysadmin stuff |
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| 07:18.10 | catsup | probably the best way to introduce linux would be like one pc at a time |
| 07:18.14 | catsup | even dual boot them |
| 07:18.16 | M4573R | looks like anytime you run 'mkinitramfs' it just outputs 'Terminating...' and closes |
| 07:18.29 | catsup | dude |
| 07:18.35 | Guerin_ | dual-boot in a production environment? |
| 07:18.36 | catsup | what's the command line |
| 07:18.40 | Guerin_ | hell no |
| 07:18.51 | xsquared | Guerin_, haha |
| 07:18.55 | xsquared | :P |
| 07:19.09 | catsup | Guerin_: why not? |
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| 07:19.32 | Guerin_ | supporting two sets of hard-to-squash bugs, impossible-to-define PEBCAK errors and having to roll out anything new on two different platforms is fucking idiocy |
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| 07:19.39 | catsup | well |
| 07:19.45 | catsup | the point is to transition to the other one |
| 07:19.50 | catsup | not to support the old system |
| 07:20.17 | catsup | but it's no different than two pcs anyway |
| 07:20.40 | Guerin_ | so run your testbed until it's tight, pick a few key people to do your UAT and shit, and then roll it out in one fell swoop when it's ready for prime time |
| 07:20.51 | catsup | it's not that easy |
| 07:20.56 | catsup | the users have to be ready too |
| 07:21.01 | Guerin_ | poreferably immediately after a quarter-end or other such natural productivity mmetric deadline |
| 07:21.19 | Guerin_ | well, yes, there'd need to be training and such, but IT wouldn't be running that |
| 07:21.27 | catsup | heh |
| 07:22.06 | benjamindees | catsup: what are you saying? the *best* way is to sabatoge the old system, lower expectations, and then rip the bandaid and switch everything all at once and decide never to go back. |
| 07:22.09 | M4573R_ | catsup: i got disconected after i said "looks like anytime you run 'mkinitramfs' it just outputs 'Terminating...' and closes. no matter what switch is provided" did you have any further insite based on that information |
| 07:22.09 | catsup | people wouldn't like it if you completely took away their whole windows desktop and replaced it with linux... would you like that? |
| 07:22.19 | catsup | benjamindees: that's nothing ilke what i said |
| 07:22.28 | benjamindees | I know. |
| 07:22.36 | catsup | oh that's what you're telling me |
| 07:22.37 | catsup | i see |
| 07:22.50 | catsup | that doesn't seem at all considerate of the users |
| 07:23.14 | Guerin_ | catsup: your scheme will see 90% of users remain with windows, frustrating the change |
| 07:23.26 | catsup | Guerin_: well you have to force them out eventually |
| 07:23.30 | Guerin_ | yes |
| 07:23.33 | benjamindees | just make sure they have 90% of what they need and give them a few Windows apps with wine. |
| 07:23.40 | catsup | but at least if there's something they can't do right away with linux then you don't have to fix it right away |
| 07:23.41 | Guerin_ | best to do it all at once, in a properly-designed and managed fashion |
| 07:23.54 | Guerin_ | *sigh* |
| 07:23.58 | catsup | well you say that |
| 07:24.05 | Guerin_ | yes, I do |
| 07:24.08 | catsup | but i don't see any reason why |
| 07:24.14 | catsup | and you don't seem to say any |
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| 07:24.28 | benjamindees | it's psychological. they won't change unless they have to. |
| 07:24.48 | benjamindees | and if they see Windows every day they won't ever have to. |
| 07:25.04 | Guerin_ | it doesn't matter how good the new system *is*. What matters is their attachment to the old system. |
| 07:25.12 | catsup | lol man |
| 07:25.23 | xsquared | can't we get skins to make it look like windows :P |
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| 07:26.04 | Guerin_ | so the goal must be to get the new system so tight that, when you force them to move over, they have as little cause for complaint as possible. And make a big managerial fanfare about the changeover so they know they're never going to get to go back, even if they hate the new way, and they'll become resigned to it. |
| 07:26.05 | catsup | you don't think you could tell someone, "the windows system can't be supported anymore, it breaks too much. we're transitioning to linux, but until we have it set up so everything works how you need it, you can still get back to windows if you need to by doing [...]" |
| 07:26.18 | catsup | lol |
| 07:26.21 | benjamindees | xsquared: studies have shown that doing that just exacerbates the small differences that I mentioned earlier |
| 07:26.33 | xsquared | yeah, i know |
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| 07:26.37 | Guerin_ | catsup: the point is that *they don't even see it until it's ready* |
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| 07:26.47 | catsup | Guerin_: yeah but it's not about "it" being ready |
| 07:26.58 | Guerin_ | it's about THEM being ready |
| 07:27.00 | Guerin_ | they never will be |
| 07:27.01 | catsup | well |
| 07:27.12 | catsup | it's about the system being able to allow them to do what they need, a mutual fit |
| 07:27.26 | catsup | anyway everything you say is mere assertion |
| 07:27.29 | catsup | you don't have any reasons |
| 07:27.38 | Guerin_ | heh |
| 07:27.39 | benjamindees | catsup, unless [...] involves jumping through several hoops, probably not |
| 07:27.44 | Guerin_ | the Lebowski Defence |
| 07:27.46 | Guerin_ | nice |
| 07:28.00 | catsup | lebowski defence? |
| 07:28.47 | catsup | if you want to minimize disruption for the actual human users of the computers, you don't want to change everything real fast all at once |
| 07:28.56 | Guerin_ | catsup: "That's just, like, your opinion, man." |
| 07:28.59 | catsup | no |
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| 07:29.03 | catsup | that's not what i said |
| 07:29.13 | catsup | i said that you merely assert things, without providing justification for them |
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| 07:29.22 | catsup | now you're mocking that argument |
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| 07:29.28 | Guerin_ | yes, yes I am |
| 07:29.35 | catsup | again, you have no reasons, you just repeatly assert the same thing |
| 07:29.41 | Guerin_ | heh |
| 07:29.47 | catsup | repeatedly |
| 07:29.55 | Guerin_ | I'm not even arguing |
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| 07:30.18 | Guerin_ | all I'm doing is pointing out the simple fact that supporting two half-arsed systems instead of one proper system is stupid |
| 07:30.21 | catsup | you're not arguing, justifying, explaining, or informing; you're only asserting |
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| 07:30.47 | xsquared | :( |
| 07:30.52 | Guerin_ | but hell; my time in ops management is done - this sort of thing ain't my problem any more, thank goodness :) |
| 07:31.18 | catsup | you have bigger problems man |
| 07:31.27 | catsup | if you're incapable of explaining yourself |
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| 07:31.34 | catsup | and instead you mock people |
| 07:31.34 | Guerin_ | oh, so personal |
| 07:31.53 | Guerin_ | if you don't want to believe me, don't |
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| 07:32.20 | Guerin_ | it's coo |
| 07:32.41 | catsup | it's certainly not 'coo'; you're a dick, calling me stupid because *you* can't defend your position |
| 07:32.48 | Guerin_ | if you ever have to manage a transition like this, you'll find out how things roll, and each one is pretty different |
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| 07:32.56 | benjamindees | catsup, of course it's not a good idea to change major things unexpectedly. but the desktop and the print dialog and the web browser and e-mail client are not major things. |
| 07:33.06 | Guerin_ | ok, well, I'm coo. If you're not coo, then, well, that's a shame. |
| 07:33.29 | catsup | it's a shame the way you behave |
| 07:33.37 | Guerin_ | and really, what a daft thing to get worked up about |
| 07:33.44 | catsup | what, you calling me stupid? |
| 07:33.52 | Guerin_ | no, I'm calling you petty. |
| 07:34.01 | Guerin_ | but that's by the by, really |
| 07:34.12 | catsup | you're being a dick, are you aware of that? |
| 07:34.31 | Guerin_ | hey, I'm done |
| 07:34.34 | catsup | you understand i am not 'worked up' about any particular issue wrt computers |
| 07:34.41 | catsup | it's your rude behavior that i'm talking about |
| 07:34.45 | Guerin_ | oh well |
| 07:34.54 | Guerin_ | I'm a bastard, it's just how I roll |
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| 07:35.08 | catsup | fantastic, be proud of it |
| 07:35.34 | catsup | perhaps you have the same attitude towards users of systems you administer |
| 07:35.41 | ajavid | hi |
| 07:35.48 | ajavid | just got in |
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| 07:35.51 | Trewas | too bad mwilson is not here anymore, catsup would see what rude behaviours is like :( |
| 07:35.52 | runa_ | do you know what happened to kernel-archive.buildserver.net because it does not work for me. |
| 07:35.56 | ajavid | what are yo upto no good as usual buddy |
| 07:35.57 | ajavid | lol |
| 07:35.57 | Guerin_ | catsup: I don't administer any systems. |
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| 07:36.24 | catsup | Trewas: haha |
| 07:36.46 | Guerin_ | yeah, this place is positively genteel compared to the olden days |
| 07:36.52 | ajavid | heh |
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| 07:37.01 | owen1 | i installed something with 'python setup.py install' how do i uninstall it? |
| 07:37.14 | Guerin | owen1: depends on the 'something' |
| 07:37.22 | ajavid | what is setup.py |
| 07:37.22 | benjamindees | 'python setup.py uninstall' ?? |
| 07:37.25 | ajavid | where it it throw up |
| 07:37.26 | Guerin | owen1: the script might have an uninstall function |
| 07:37.33 | ajavid | Guerin, msg |
| 07:37.37 | owen1 | Guerin: gitosis |
| 07:37.47 | Guerin | ajavid: yeh, just making lasagne |
| 07:37.57 | ajavid | Guerin, http://picpaste.com/google.rankings.jpg |
| 07:38.17 | ajavid | hehe |
| 07:38.34 | ajavid | im having fun. |
| 07:38.35 | Guerin | ajavid: for some reason, the top search term for my site has always been 'pink' |
| 07:38.42 | ajavid | heh |
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| 07:39.17 | ajavid | I just started blogging/siting |
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| 07:39.23 | ajavid | site doing, whatever is the verb |
| 07:39.32 | ajavid | almost 3am on sat. monring |
| 07:39.39 | Guerin | in other news tonight, badblocks takes a really freaking long time |
| 07:39.42 | ajavid | ahhhh boy. |
| 07:39.50 | ajavid | what else is new! |
| 07:39.58 | ajavid | damn bad blocks! /me shakes a fist |
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| 07:41.04 | snooky | hi all |
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| 07:41.11 | Guerin | has been technical fail day - one of my raid components died, and for some reason the garage is wired into the lighting circuit for half my house, and keeps throwing the RCD |
| 07:41.48 | benjamindees | And since I'm still stuck on this, here's why you don't support two systems at once: people remember bad experiences longer and more intensely than good ones. If Windows is sitting on the desktop across the cubicle, they get a daily reminder of the good things in Windows. If Windows is gone completely, users begin to forget the good things about Windows and only remember the bad things. |
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| 07:42.13 | Guerin | benjamindees: availability heuristic. |
| 07:42.31 | catsup | benjamindees: it's not like people don't have their own computers |
| 07:42.43 | catsup | most of them |
| 07:43.02 | Guerin | change management (IT and elsewhere) is 40% technical and 60% social |
| 07:43.14 | Guerin | (numbers POMA) |
| 07:43.36 | sandman | If I'm using Debian Lenny 64-bit, and I wanted to run some additional lenny guests under virtualbox, would it make more sense to run Debian Lenny 32-bit in the virtualboxen? Or would 64-bit be just as good for the guest OS's |
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| 07:44.07 | snooky | hi all |
| 07:44.14 | catsup | benjamindees: but anyway maybe i was misunderstood, i wasn't recommending something permanent |
| 07:44.15 | sandman | So I guess in summary what makes more sense: 64-bit host, 64-bit guest? Or 64-bit host, 32-bit guest |
| 07:44.33 | benjamindees | catsup, no I understood what you meant |
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| 07:45.04 | Guerin | catsup: look up some of the research on burn-victim bandage changing to do with intensity of pain versus duration of pain. |
| 07:45.06 | snooky | how i can mount a truecrypt drive with acl? when i mount over truecrypt --mount --fs-options=rw,acl,sync,utf8,umask=0000 /dev/sdb1 /home/ftp/ its say wrong fs type |
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| 07:45.12 | benjamindees | catsup, and as a highly technical user it makes sense, but for an average user it doesn't. |
| 07:45.14 | snooky | sorry but i dont really good speak english |
| 07:45.15 | Guerin | catsup: the same applies, generally speaking |
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| 07:45.41 | catsup | benjamindees: how do you maen? |
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| 07:46.07 | benjamindees | catsup, the average user doesn't care what OS they use |
| 07:46.18 | benjamindees | people in #debian obviously do |
| 07:46.41 | catsup | benjamindees: sure. if that were the case they would have no reason to boot into the old system... |
| 07:46.51 | Guerin | catsup: but they would, out of habit |
| 07:47.14 | catsup | benjamindees: but in practice there might be some application they want to use, even for non-work purposes |
| 07:47.33 | Guerin | so make sure it works on the new system |
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| 07:47.40 | Guerin | this is what UAT is for |
| 07:47.44 | catsup | Guerin: i'd rather ignore you, but i'll respond to that anyway; you assume that there is no cooperation from the user, that the user has no interest in learning the new system, is incapable of understanding that the old system will be remoevd in the future and now is the time to learn it |
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| 07:48.41 | Guerin | catsup: I assume there is no cooperation from the user because *if* you assume there is cooperation from the user, you will fail because users are fickle and uncooperative and usually irrational |
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| 07:49.10 | Guerin | you're approaching this as if you can just treat them all friendly like and have them play nice. Ain't so. |
| 07:49.13 | benjamindees | catsup, if it's for non-work purposes then obviously it's not going to get much attention prior to the switch and ultimately spending too many resources supporting it is probably not a wise decision |
| 07:49.13 | catsup | Guerin: yes it's quite clear how you think of people |
| 07:50.08 | Guerin | catsup: I'm not talking about *people*, I'm talking about *users*. |
| 07:50.08 | catsup | benjamindees: indeed |
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| 07:50.26 | catsup | Guerin: that is certainly an odd distinction to make |
| 07:50.29 | Guerin | if that distinction isn't clear to you, then I'd suggest you're rather out of your depth in this conversation |
| 07:50.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:51.03 | benjamindees | catsup, one thing to remember is that you're probably not dealing with users who will 100% fall in line and superiors who will 100% support the switch. |
| 07:51.08 | catsup | http://www.amazon.com/Design-Real-World-Ecology-Social/dp/0897331532 |
| 07:52.11 | benjamindees | unless you erect some roadblocks, natural office politics will end up demanding that you support both systems indefinitely |
| 07:52.12 | catsup | benjamindees: sure. that does not really matter to my suggestion. if the user fails to take advantage of the transition period then that is equivalent to what you suggest |
| 07:54.52 | benjamindees | heh, there is some parallel between assuming users are rationally self-interested and assuming the same of investors |
| 07:55.16 | catsup | what we are talking about is whether it is possible toe xplain to someone that the old system is going away, and that they have to gegt used to the new one |
| 07:55.21 | benjamindees | especially in an environment where both are subsidized by the group as a whole |
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| 07:56.29 | Guerin | catsup: it's possible to explain it; explanation is necessary but not sufficient. |
| 07:56.37 | catsup | if you think that you cannot explain that to ordinary humans, in a way that allows them to take advantage of a temporary availability of both systems, then you have a very low and i would say false opinion of humanity. even if people don't behave like homo economicus |
| 07:56.45 | Guerin | benjamindees: right on. |
| 07:56.59 | benjamindees | I would argue that if you're planning to migrate from Windows to Linux on the average office desktop, the expected gains are small enough that they would be completely wiped out by the losses incurred by having to support both. |
| 07:57.04 | jamshiko | oh thats jnice to me |
| 07:57.24 | catsup | benjamindees: but i'm not suggesting to support both |
| 07:57.41 | Guerin | catsup: the question is whether allowing them to take advantage of an overlap is worth the additional time, effort, dev-hours, confusion, uncertainty, complaining, and expense. I'd argue not. |
| 07:58.06 | catsup | Guerin: you don't argue, you only assert. |
| 07:58.16 | benjamindees | catsup, oh but you are. You see, during the transition period (however small) that you in effect are supporting both, you are proving that it is possible to support both. |
| 07:58.38 | Guerin | catsup: Lebowski! |
| 07:58.39 | catsup | what i suggested was not even to transition every user at once |
| 07:58.48 | catsup | Guerin: nonsense! |
| 07:59.01 | jamshiko | oh wats that don do that |
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| 08:01.53 | catsup | benjamindees: i don't know, i feel like this is the same as before, you are latched onto a position, grasping at straws. the same logic you say applies to an ugprade, where the old and new systems remain in place, which does not mean that the old system is supported indefinitely |
| 08:02.15 | Guerin | software upgrades are different |
| 08:02.21 | Guerin | they're technical, not social |
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| 08:02.36 | Guerin | the technical side of supporting two platforms isn't the problem |
| 08:02.42 | catsup | well Guerin i will leave you to be the social expert |
| 08:03.02 | catsup | i am going |
| 08:03.09 | catsup | bye |
| 08:03.10 | Guerin | catsup: nice not-arguing with you! |
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| 08:09.10 | benjamindees | I had a boss who always used to insist that users were like customers but really they were more like welfare recipients. |
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| 08:13.50 | mavhc | buy new cases for all the computers, put the old computers in the new computers, tell them they all got new computers which have a new OS on, they're living in the future |
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| 08:34.42 | Agiofws | CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHATS WRONG WITH CHROMium AGAIN ? its not displaying flv's on youtube AGAIN |
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| 08:36.31 | azeem | ajavid: chromium is not in Ddebian AFAIK |
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| 08:39.40 | Guerin | mavhc: genius |
| 08:39.42 | achille | hello, I've created a user account ( Posix local ) and set an initial password, how can I force the user to change his password once he login ( using SSH or telnet) |
| 08:43.27 | benjamindees | 'chage -d0 username' perhaps |
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| 08:50.02 | achille | benjamindees, thank you! it worked |
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| 08:55.40 | ajavid | azeem, hm.. that sucks. |
| 08:55.59 | ajavid | did they release a linux version already? |
| 08:56.10 | azeem | yes |
| 08:56.19 | ajavid | very nice |
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| 09:00.07 | ajavid | azeem, hey you know whats crazy? |
| 09:00.13 | ajavid | judd versions chromium |
| 09:00.17 | judd | ajavid: chromium -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1 sid: 0.9.14-1 squeeze: 0.9.14-1 |
| 09:00.27 | ajavid | !+info chromium |
| 09:00.28 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:00.40 | ajavid | freaking game! ahhhh what a misleading :) |
| 09:00.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | its a game |
| 09:00.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh. snap |
| 09:01.02 | macrobat | chromium bsu |
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| 09:01.07 | dpkg | chromium: (transitional dummy package for chromium-bsu), section games, is optional. Version: 0.9.14-1 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 09:01.19 | ajavid | wow dpkg is slow. |
| 09:01.34 | ajavid | judd info kde |
| 09:01.36 | judd | ajavid: kde (kde): is optional; Version: 5:48; Size: 7.8k; Installed: 40k -- the K Desktop Environment official modules |
| 09:01.43 | ajavid | oh sweet, he has it! and its faster! |
| 09:01.53 | ajavid | fantastic, judd++ |
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| 09:02.11 | macrobat | conkeror is a worse browser name than chrome |
| 09:02.38 | ajavid | Konqueror. It is just a play on the word conqueror, or conquistador! |
| 09:02.41 | ajavid | :D |
| 09:02.52 | macrobat | i didnt know the chrome browser did flash at all |
| 09:02.53 | ajavid | not a play, but a 'K' |
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| 09:03.14 | ajavid | macrobat, I wonder how to get it on debian (while its not packaged yet) |
| 09:03.16 | ajavid | searches |
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| 09:03.35 | majhool | conkeror has a weak name but it's a great browser |
| 09:03.49 | ajavid | I can't live without it |
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| 09:04.06 | macrobat | chrome is 32bit i think, it had some of the same dependencies as wine |
| 09:04.13 | ajavid | it is by far the most awesome/completely universal file browser (screw the web part) |
| 09:04.35 | majhool | ajavid: if you're willing to install google's chrome, they have an "ubuntu" deb that installs fine on debian |
| 09:04.40 | ajavid | i love kio-apt |
| 09:04.55 | macrobat | its a bad move to name a browser conkeror, when there is already a konqueror |
| 09:04.58 | ajavid | majhool, i'd rather build from source, looking at build options etc. |
| 09:05.11 | majhool | ajavid: ahh... have you considered alien? |
| 09:05.17 | ajavid | macrobat, useless argument, incorect irc channel. |
| 09:05.25 | majhool | heh |
| 09:05.27 | ajavid | ajavid, I use it all the time |
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| 09:06.13 | ajavid | majhool, #debian-chat :) |
| 09:06.19 | ajavid | i can go on all night about kde/konqi |
| 09:06.22 | ajavid | try me |
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| 09:06.33 | ajavid | dun dun dun! |
| 09:06.41 | hacker_kid | reinstalling proftpd isnt creating the /etc/proftpd directory, anyway i could force that directory to be installed like it was the first install |
| 09:06.50 | ajavid | hacker_kid, yes |
| 09:06.51 | majhool | hey i didn't know about that |
| 09:06.57 | ajavid | !tell hacker_kid -about confmiss |
| 09:07.15 | ajavid | hacker_kid, try not to delete config files/dirs altogether |
| 09:07.35 | simonrvn | !confmiss |
| 09:07.35 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 09:07.44 | ajavid | simonrvn, i already did that !tell |
| 09:07.45 | simonrvn | hacker_kid: ^^^ |
| 09:08.01 | ajavid | runs around simonrvn |
| 09:08.08 | ajavid | oye, hi |
| 09:08.20 | hacker_kid | ajavid, wasnt intentional, error in unison conf file |
| 09:08.27 | ajavid | hacker_kid, its ok |
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| 09:08.35 | ajavid | hacker_kid, just a future adivice i guess |
| 09:09.09 | hacker_kid | ajavid, yeah good advice, backups are good too |
| 09:10.00 | ajavid | those not just good, they are a given |
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| 09:10.10 | ajavid | everyone should backup, disk space is dirt cheap these days |
| 09:10.16 | hacker_kid | ajavid, agreed |
| 09:10.18 | ajavid | 2TB for a couple of hundred bucks |
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| 09:10.47 | ajavid | newegg might have less than 200 even for a 2tb |
| 09:11.34 | hacker_kid | ajavid, neither the apt-get or aptitude command restored the config directory |
| 09:11.49 | ajavid | that sucks. |
| 09:11.57 | ajavid | hacker_kid, what package was it, which directory did you remove? |
| 09:12.07 | hacker_kid | ajavid, proftpd /etc/proftpd |
| 09:12.19 | ajavid | and comfmiss won't regenerate it? |
| 09:12.43 | hacker_kid | i tried both the apt-get and the aptitude command provided by dpkg |
| 09:12.57 | ajavid | and did it reinstall the package? |
| 09:13.08 | ajavid | and you still have no directory/files? |
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| 09:13.10 | hacker_kid | yeah it reinstalled the package just no conf dir |
| 09:13.24 | ajavid | oh boy |
| 09:13.53 | ajavid | tap your toes and think... |
| 09:14.25 | hacker_kid | is thinking |
| 09:14.40 | hacker_kid | if i had another lenny box i could just scp it all over :( |
| 09:14.42 | ajavid | hacker_kid, ok, uhm |
| 09:14.57 | ajavid | purge the package, apt-get --purge remove or aptitude purge |
| 09:15.05 | ajavid | then install it again |
| 09:15.18 | ajavid | and then if if that doesn't work, try confmiss again |
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| 09:15.28 | majhool | what about proftpd-basic? |
| 09:15.31 | ajavid | (random ideas, no clue if they will actuall work or help, but are harmless) |
| 09:15.36 | ajavid | majhool, or -common |
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| 09:15.44 | ajavid | oh oh oh its probably one of those pacakges |
| 09:15.51 | toolz | hi, I have a process that cannot be killed, a <defunct> |
| 09:15.56 | ajavid | that have a -common that has all the config generic stuff |
| 09:16.10 | ajavid | uses vfstpd exclusive, never touched proftpd so no idea |
| 09:16.16 | majhool | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/proftpd/filelist |
| 09:16.17 | ajavid | but yeah, it sounds like it |
| 09:16.20 | toolz | and can anyone tell me whats this about? kernel:[59389.695425] Bad pagetable: 000d [8] SMP |
| 09:16.36 | majhool | that seems to indicate proftpd itself is pretty uninteresting |
| 09:16.43 | azeem | toolz: a bug in your game server |
| 09:16.53 | azeem | toolz: or in your kernel |
| 09:17.04 | ajavid | yup |
| 09:17.17 | ajavid | there is a /usr/share/blah/templates/blah.conf in there |
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| 09:17.21 | azeem | toolz: we don't support binary-only game servers here, sorry |
| 09:17.26 | ajavid | blah=proftpd |
| 09:17.31 | hacker_kid | ajavid, majhool forgot all about that darn basic package |
| 09:17.34 | simonrvn | hacker_kid: dpkg -x proftpdwhatever.deb /tmp and copy the stuff out |
| 09:17.34 | ajavid | its in the -basic package |
| 09:17.46 | majhool | hacker_kid: it happens |
| 09:17.51 | ajavid | simonrvn, nah, no need, found the right package to run confmiss on |
| 09:18.13 | ajavid | simonrvn, I don't use proftpd, never did, so I didn't know if had one of those /basic/common/ packages with it |
| 09:18.19 | hacker_kid | majhool, guess im spoiled by automatic dependency installations |
| 09:18.32 | ajavid | s/if/it |
| 09:18.39 | majhool | to me, all the time |
| 09:18.49 | ajavid | majhool, you have a weird nick |
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| 09:19.02 | ajavid | i keep wanting to say mahjong |
| 09:19.12 | ajavid | you're freaking me out man :) |
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| 09:19.37 | majhool | hahah |
| 09:19.46 | mahjong | there we go |
| 09:19.52 | ajavid | thanks man |
| 09:19.54 | ajavid | whooey |
| 09:19.55 | mahjong | hey anytime |
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| 09:20.44 | rumpsy | hi everybody |
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| 09:21.12 | rumpsy | Can you suggent me a software to access web cam |
| 09:21.23 | ajavid | rumpsy, what is your webcam |
| 09:21.45 | ajavid | rumpsy, depending on what it is, you may need other firmware or drivers or if it is uvc you are good to go |
| 09:21.59 | ajavid | uvc works on lenny onwards in the kernel |
| 09:22.28 | ajavid | rumpsy, lsusb, and look for the usb cam. |
| 09:22.29 | rumpsy | i'm using external webcam and my brand is UCOM |
| 09:22.42 | ajavid | rumpsy, pastebin the output of lsusb |
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| 09:22.57 | ajavid | rumpsy, if you don't have lsusb, aptitude install pciutils I think |
| 09:23.12 | rumpsy | okay i do.. |
| 09:23.14 | ajavid | nope, usbutils |
| 09:23.35 | rumpsy | ya you right usbutils, LOL |
| 09:23.50 | ajavid | rumpsy, i got a webcam inside my monitor, it is UVC, i can just use it plug/play |
| 09:23.59 | ajavid | well, its allready plugged i jus play |
| 09:24.14 | abhi_ | i am having trouble with executing python script in blender with error math module not found |
| 09:24.40 | rumpsy | ajavid: you got a prob! solve that |
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| 09:25.20 | ajavid | abhi_, ok |
| 09:25.37 | ajavid | abhi_, uhm.. type python... and in the python shell, try like... from math import * |
| 09:25.42 | ajavid | abhi_, what does it say? |
| 09:26.00 | ajavid | abhi_, also, what is your debian version firstly? |
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| 09:27.01 | oxi | hi |
| 09:27.36 | oxi | can anyone point me to a very comprehensive tutorial to create a .deb package? |
| 09:27.37 | benjamindees | "Mpmath does not currently distinguish between positive and negative zero." |
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| 09:28.42 | benjamindees | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 09:30.30 | macrobat | oxi http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?uid=19224&f=16&t=38976 |
| 09:30.44 | oxi | macrobat: thanks |
| 09:30.46 | abhi_ | ajavid: it says invalid |
| 09:31.07 | mahjong | oxi: i don't know how well regarded it is but debian-administration.org had a low-impact howto on this a few years back |
| 09:31.12 | ajavid | so install the python-mpmath package |
| 09:31.29 | mahjong | oxi: the site appears to be temp. down so here's the cache: http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:bzZv-eUuCRoJ:www.debian-administration.org/article/Rolling_your_own_Debian_packages_part_1/print+debian+administration+rolling+your+own+deb&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us |
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| 09:31.59 | oxi | mahjong: thanks |
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| 09:32.06 | jonathan1 | Hello |
| 09:32.33 | oxi | mahjong: the tutorial looks quite comprehensive |
| 09:32.40 | jonathan1 | I upgraded some packages to testing because i wanted to install gitg, how can i downgrade those packages so that everything in my system is stable again? |
| 09:32.50 | ajavid | !downgrade |
| 09:32.50 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 09:33.07 | ajavid | also read this too |
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| 09:33.14 | ajavid | oxi, /msg dpkg nmg |
| 09:33.27 | abhi_ | ajavid: sorry for late response, my net is crap. thank you |
| 09:33.32 | ajavid | mtl, why are you |
| 09:33.35 | ajavid | ok, np |
| 09:33.44 | oxi | ajavid: perfect |
| 09:33.53 | mahjong | oxi: well, maybe part 2 is low impact.. |
| 09:33.54 | mtl | I meant to query dpkg |
| 09:34.06 | ajavid | dude |
| 09:34.23 | ajavid | word. |
| 09:34.24 | macrobat | oxi: ther is also http://www.miriamruiz.es/weblog/?page_id=62 |
| 09:34.32 | jonathan1 | thanks |
| 09:34.41 | oxi | macrobat: great |
| 09:34.49 | ajavid | jonathan1, don't mix stable with anything else |
| 09:35.07 | ajavid | jonathan1, it is usually discouraged practiced |
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| 09:35.22 | ajavid | and by usually I mean always. |
| 09:35.38 | oxi | is there any easier packaging system? |
| 09:35.47 | ajavid | oxi, no |
| 09:35.48 | jonathan1 | yeah, i know |
| 09:35.49 | oxi | is seems quite complicated to me :-( |
| 09:36.08 | ajavid | oxi, it has its shortcomings but overall, apt is THE SHIT |
| 09:36.15 | benjamindees | heh there is RPM |
| 09:36.18 | macrobat | it takes many steps to assure debian quality :) |
| 09:36.27 | mahjong | arch has some sort of pseudo packaging system |
| 09:36.31 | oxi | ajavid: okay, then I'll struggle |
| 09:36.31 | mahjong | there is also checkinstall |
| 09:36.38 | mahjong | but apt > * |
| 09:37.05 | mahjong | oxi: what are you trying to make a package of? |
| 09:37.10 | ajavid | ok, I have a.rpm and it depeds on 1-100.rpm, and 1.rpm depends on its own stuff. b.rpm has its own, which have their own, which could just |
| 09:37.13 | oxi | a package needs to be build from source, to be accepted, right? |
| 09:37.15 | ajavid | have you ever used rpm in the old days? |
| 09:37.20 | ajavid | even now... |
| 09:37.32 | mahjong | ajavid: how do you think i ended up on debian! |
| 09:37.35 | oxi | mahjong: I'd like to package Apache Derby, a Java RDBMS |
| 09:37.35 | unixSnob | ajavid: yesterday you suggested i follow the process here: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 09:37.37 | ajavid | :) |
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| 09:37.57 | ajavid | unixSnob, xeon-enouf did |
| 09:38.04 | unixSnob | ajavid: and I don't know what the section on 'bootstrapping the chroot' does |
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| 09:38.27 | unixSnob | ajavid: does it install a 32bit chroot on an amd64 architecture, or does it install a 64bit arch on a 32bit? |
| 09:38.29 | ajavid | unixSnob, can you ask me a specific question about the steps involved in setting up a chroot? |
| 09:38.30 | unixSnob | ah |
| 09:38.33 | mahjong | oxi: like this? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ |
| 09:38.34 | Spockz | where would I store different versions of a web framework? somewhere in /usr/lib? or just in /var/frameworks |
| 09:38.37 | ajavid | unixSnob, the first one |
| 09:38.44 | mahjong | ugh |
| 09:38.51 | ajavid | unixSnob, the other way around is not possible technically |
| 09:38.59 | mahjong | oxi: i meant this: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sun-java6-javadb |
| 09:39.15 | unixSnob | ajavid: but calling it "pure64" is a pretty lousy name for a 32bit chroot, no? |
| 09:39.21 | oxi | mahjong: exactly, but that one is non-free |
| 09:39.24 | ajavid | unixSnob, unless you are booted into a 64bit kernel (userland doesn't matter, could be 32 or 64) |
| 09:39.24 | mahjong | oxi: it's in debian back to etch, it looks like |
| 09:39.26 | mahjong | ok, gotcha |
| 09:39.37 | ajavid | unixSnob, if you are booted on an amd64 kernel, you can run both types of chroots |
| 09:39.48 | ajavid | unixSnob, if you are on 32bit, you can only run other 32bit chroots |
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| 09:39.58 | oxi | mahjong: I'm not sure if it's a good idea to start from the package building sources of that one? |
| 09:40.18 | ajavid | unixSnob, its just an example directory name |
| 09:40.19 | oxi | mahjong: I was starting from scratch and I wanted to use the maven-helper stuff |
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| 09:40.25 | ajavid | unixSnob, you're supposed to be smart enough to know that |
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| 09:40.39 | ajavid | unixSnob, otherwise stick with stable i386 |
| 09:40.55 | mahjong | oxi: i'm definitely not an expert on packaging, so take anything i say with a grain of salt, however it may be worth a try to alter the existing package's deps to point to openjdk |
| 09:40.58 | ajavid | unixSnob, i you have more than 4gb ram, install the amd64 kernel or the bigmem kernel |
| 09:41.03 | oxi | mahjong: you are right, sun-java6-javadb is almost the same thing, except that it's non-free, as sun compiled the binary |
| 09:41.09 | unixSnob | ajavid: I'm supposed to be smart enough to know that "pure64" is really a 32bit env? Seems to confuse even those who know what they're doing |
| 09:41.21 | ajavid | unixSnob, its a freaking directory name xample!! |
| 09:41.21 | ajavid | ffs |
| 09:41.24 | oxi | mahjong: ok, thanks |
| 09:41.37 | ajavid | seriously? like you're not kiddin with me are you? |
| 09:42.11 | mahjong | oxi: significantly, i don't know what in particular makes that package violate debian policy, so you might end up with something that's still non free |
| 09:42.39 | unixSnob | anyone have a better guide? I don't trust a guide that uses "pure64" to designate a 32bit chrooted environment |
| 09:42.45 | oxi | mahjong: good point, I'll look into that |
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| 09:42.55 | unixSnob | i don't think the author is playing with a full deck |
| 09:43.01 | ajavid | unixSnob, where exactly you read this please? |
| 09:43.04 | mahjong | oxi: http://www.stuartellis.eu/articles/derby-javadb/ <- this seems to indicate that it's possible to just switch the jre to openjdk |
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| 09:43.21 | mahjong | oxi: if all you want is a functional derby |
| 09:43.23 | ajavid | Before you start bootstrapping the pure64 port into a chroot, |
| 09:43.27 | unixSnob | ajavid: the section "Bootstrapping the chroot" |
| 09:43.28 | ajavid | unixSnob, you have clearly misunderstood |
| 09:43.45 | ajavid | Before you start bootstrapping the pure64 port into a chroot, make sure you are already running a 64bit kernel, |
| 09:43.51 | oxi | mahjong: that's true, but I don't want any non-ree :-) |
| 09:43.51 | ajavid | unixSnob, you have to continue to keep reading... |
| 09:44.08 | ajavid | unixSnob, try again. read it. |
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| 09:44.21 | ajavid | 04:39 < ajavid> unixSnob, if you are booted on an amd64 kernel, you can run both types of chroots |
| 09:44.22 | mahjong | oxi: of course, but at least it's not inextricably tied to sun's jre... which seems pretty rare these days, actually |
| 09:44.29 | ajavid | 04:39 < ajavid> unixSnob, if you are on 32bit, you can only run other 32bit chroots |
| 09:44.39 | ajavid | unixSnob, you have misunderstood, I hope this clears it up :) |
| 09:44.43 | oxi | mahjong: true |
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| 09:45.09 | ajavid | unixSnob, they are talking about setting up a 64 bit chroot inside a amd64 system (as mentioned by a required amd64 kernel) |
| 09:45.29 | ajavid | If you already have an existing i386 Debian installation, you can install the amd64 kernels found in the archive. |
| 09:45.38 | ajavid | I just told you all of this too myself. |
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| 09:45.52 | unixSnob | ajavid: i am running an amd64 kernel, but i'm not sure why I would want a 64bit chroot |
| 09:45.59 | ajavid | unixSnob, you wouldn't |
| 09:46.11 | ajavid | unless you were as crazy as me |
| 09:46.28 | ajavid | unixSnob, I have lenny amd64, I run amd64 sid, and 386 sid in two chroots |
| 09:46.52 | unixSnob | well i know why I would, but in terms of running 32bit apps, i don't think a 64 bit chroot is useful |
| 09:46.53 | benjamindees | I imagine it's to facilitate development of the port |
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| 09:48.00 | mahjong | how do do i find out the specific reasons a package's been marked as non-free? |
| 09:48.07 | dutchfish | goodmorning, first kudos to the kde maintainers for the nice roundup to testing with 4.3. Secondly why has kpower a dep on hal? because it reports not using hal and is still working. |
| 09:48.10 | ajavid | unixSnob, I think you are correct |
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| 09:48.19 | ajavid | unixSnob, this howto is a bit outdated/old |
| 09:48.37 | unixSnob | yeah, i thought 3yrs was a bit old |
| 09:48.44 | ajavid | unixSnob, I don't see amention of i638 in a chroot, but only ia32, but same procedure applies to the 386 arch |
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| 09:49.02 | ajavid | unixSnob, I am lazy, otherwise I would have written a blog article about how to do this |
| 09:49.15 | ajavid | (for kde) but you'll find the chroot bit useful |
| 09:49.34 | ajavid | from there I can copy/paste and try to send it as a patch or something or an offer to the howto people |
| 09:49.42 | ajavid | maybe they can update the howto |
| 09:50.02 | ajavid | but google has tons of articles |
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| 09:50.09 | ajavid | any random ones may lead yo uastray i dunno |
| 09:50.25 | ajavid | if you can wait until like tomorrow or something I could write it ove the weekend |
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| 09:51.08 | unixSnob | plans to search for: schroot sid32 |
| 09:51.22 | rumpsy | ajavid: i got the output os lsusb? |
| 09:51.29 | ajavid | unixSnob, hey, thats my keywords |
| 09:51.31 | ajavid | heh |
| 09:51.36 | rumpsy | Where i have to pase it |
| 09:51.37 | ajavid | rumpsy, pastebin it |
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| 09:51.40 | ajavid | !paste |
| 09:51.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 09:51.44 | ajavid | !pastebinit |
| 09:51.44 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 09:51.58 | ajavid | pick best option for you |
| 09:52.03 | rumpsy | okay |
| 09:52.40 | rumpsy | ajavid: this is my url http://paste.debian.net/plain/46349 |
| 09:53.04 | ajavid | rumpsy, it isn't listed |
| 09:53.22 | ajavid | rumpsy, when you plugin the usb camera, after type 'dmesg' and pastebin that output |
| 09:53.35 | rumpsy | okay i do |
| 09:53.37 | ajavid | rumpsy, what is the brand, make, model of your webcam, google that with the word linux |
| 09:53.40 | oxi | mahjong: I can't find the sources for the derby-javadb package. I tried finding them in svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-java/trunk . |
| 09:53.54 | rumpsy | Brand ia UCOM web cam |
| 09:54.02 | ajavid | what model |
| 09:54.09 | rumpsy | UCOM |
| 09:54.16 | mahjong | oxi: hmm |
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| 09:55.06 | mahjong | oxi: apt-get source sun-java6-javadb worked for me. |
| 09:55.19 | oxi | mahjong: thanks |
| 09:55.23 | mahjong | oxi: np |
| 09:55.38 | ajavid | rumpsy, is it usb camera? |
| 09:55.46 | ajavid | rumpsy, or firewire webcam (do they even make those) |
| 09:55.49 | dutchfish | ajavid, is there also a way to get a paste on the commandline in plain text? somehting like pastebinget ? |
| 09:55.51 | rumpsy | ya its a usb camera |
| 09:56.05 | ajavid | rumpsy, i wonder why it isn't listed. you can plug out, plugin, and type dmesg |
| 09:56.07 | oxi | mahjong: can this also be done with aptitude? |
| 09:56.12 | ajavid | rumpsy, whats it say |
| 09:56.19 | ajavid | dutchfish, I am not aware of such a tool |
| 09:56.25 | oxi | mahjong: aptitude source sun-java6-javadb didn't do the trick :-) |
| 09:56.26 | mahjong | oxi: getting the source package? as far as i know, no |
| 09:56.28 | dutchfish | ajavid, oki, thanks |
| 09:56.30 | rumpsy | wait i pastebin it |
| 09:56.34 | oxi | mahjong: ok |
| 09:56.43 | mahjong | oxi: yeah, definitely tried that sort of thing before :) |
| 09:56.50 | oxi | :-) |
| 09:57.18 | oxi | mahjong: |
| 09:57.22 | oxi | mahjong: E: Unable to find a source package for sun-java6-javadb |
| 09:57.24 | ajavid | man |
| 09:57.26 | rumpsy | http://paste.debian.net/plain/46349 |
| 09:57.29 | ajavid | my head is about to spinny |
| 09:57.31 | ajavid | hurry up |
| 09:57.34 | ajavid | sleepy time |
| 09:57.44 | oxi | mahjong: I'm on squeeze, is it possible it's not in squeeze? |
| 09:58.04 | oxi | mahjong: could I manually download that package by browsing the http repository? |
| 09:58.13 | rumpsy | ajavid: i pasted that: http://paste.debian.net/plain/46349 |
| 09:58.29 | clearscreen | mahjong: it is in mine |
| 09:58.37 | ajavid | rumpsy, thats not the last part of the dmesg output |
| 09:58.38 | clearscreen | oxi: it is in mine* |
| 09:58.49 | oxi | mine? |
| 09:58.51 | ajavid | rumpsy, I am asking for the output of the command dmesg, just the last few relevant lines regarding usb |
| 09:58.53 | oxi | gold mine? |
| 09:58.55 | oxi | ;-) |
| 09:59.02 | clearscreen | (11:57:51 AM) oxi: mahjong: I'm on squeeze, is it possible it's not in squeeze? |
| 09:59.04 | ajavid | rumpsy, your usb ports work? |
| 09:59.08 | ajavid | rumpsy, cable is ok? |
| 09:59.12 | ajavid | rumpsy, webcam works? |
| 09:59.13 | clearscreen | it is on my squeeze install ;) |
| 09:59.15 | oxi | ah :-) |
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| 09:59.24 | oxi | clearscreen: :-) |
| 09:59.30 | rumpsy | ya |
| 09:59.32 | mahjong | oxi: i bet you don't have non-free repositories in your sources.list |
| 09:59.32 | mahjong | ajavid: night |
| 09:59.36 | rumpsy | Cam works |
| 09:59.38 | mahjong | rumpsy: ajavid was trying to figure out why your camera isn't in the lsusb output |
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| 09:59.52 | oxi | mahjong: yeah, exactly!!!, I forgot that I only have non-free |
| 09:59.56 | ajavid | yeah |
| 10:00.00 | ajavid | good night |
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| 10:00.08 | ajavid | I'm still going to lurk until I pass out... |
| 10:00.20 | oxi | mahjong: can I download that package easily somehow manually on another box? |
| 10:00.20 | clearscreen | ah I've got non-free + contrib |
| 10:00.35 | mahjong | oxi: so you do have non-free reps in your sources.list? |
| 10:00.44 | mahjong | oxi: i'm on squeeze and i'm able to issue that command |
| 10:00.46 | oxi | mahjong: I'm paranoid not getting any non-free on my debian box and I don't have another debian box |
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| 10:00.56 | mahjong | oxi: ok, fair enough |
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| 10:01.06 | oxi | mahjong: no, I don't do non-free |
| 10:01.19 | oxi | it's not in the sources.list on that box |
| 10:01.23 | rumpsy | ajavid: Oops sorry, I found a problem in my cable... |
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| 10:01.49 | rumpsy | ajavid: Thanks to indentify that |
| 10:01.54 | ajavid | yup |
| 10:02.01 | ajavid | you got it jack |
| 10:02.06 | rumpsy | ajavid: c'ya |
| 10:02.14 | mahjong | oxi: as usual debian has a ton of useful stuff for this: http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/sun-java6 |
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| 10:02.36 | mahjong | oxi: download all three files |
| 10:02.47 | oxi | mahjong: perfect, thanks! |
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| 10:03.24 | djshotglass | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.41 | ajavid | djshotglass, you should read the install guide |
| 10:03.45 | ajavid | djshotglass, /msg dpkg ig |
| 10:03.50 | mahjong | oxi: as far as i know the idea is that you download those 3 files into a given director, say ~/foo |
| 10:04.01 | ajavid | djshotglass, come back if you fail or have more questions |
| 10:04.03 | smhar | I have a problem trying to get ssh tunneling to work. I keep getting this error: H-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Protocol mismatch. |
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| 10:04.19 | mahjong | oxi: then you decompress the .orig.tar.gz and the .diff.gz |
| 10:04.32 | oxi | mahjong: okay |
| 10:04.37 | ajavid | what? |
| 10:04.39 | ajavid | why? |
| 10:04.50 | ajavid | don't do that |
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| 10:05.02 | ajavid | apt-get source pkgname |
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| 10:05.13 | ajavid | make sure you have a deb-src line in sources.list |
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| 10:05.16 | mahjong | ajavid: he don't want no non-free |
| 10:05.32 | mahjong | ajavid: and he's trying to build a free version of a package that appears to be non free because it depends on sun's jre |
| 10:05.44 | ajavid | ok |
| 10:05.50 | mahjong | oxi: you might consider putting non-free reps in your sources.list and also install vrms |
| 10:06.04 | ajavid | I didn't know what his goal was |
| 10:06.11 | oxi | mahjong: thanks a lot for your help |
| 10:06.17 | ajavid | I thought he was being told to grab files manually |
| 10:06.30 | mahjong | oxi: as it will tell you about anything that isn't completely in line with deb policy |
| 10:06.31 | ajavid | but thank god thats not the case |
| 10:06.57 | mahjong | ajavid: haha yeah i'm not completely nuts |
| 10:06.58 | ajavid | you know all these tools are covered in the maint guide |
| 10:07.09 | ajavid | mahjong, just a little huh:) |
| 10:07.12 | mahjong | heh |
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| 10:07.49 | benjamindees | "virtual rms" sounds like a questionable ripoff of some other intellectual property... |
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| 10:08.20 | ajavid | hmm |
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| 10:08.30 | mahjong | ajavid: a good call. but maybe it's a better call for him to just put non-free reps in his sources.list and also install vrms, so he can cleanse anything that's non-free after he's done? |
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| 10:08.41 | mahjong | ajavid: because apt-get source makes the computer really good at this |
| 10:08.41 | mahjong | oxi: before you proceed check out the vrms package |
| 10:08.41 | mahjong | it tells you what's free and isn't on your system |
| 10:09.13 | oxi | mahjong: perfect |
| 10:09.26 | ajavid | you can simply list by repository and list all the non-freep ackages with aptitude and pipe them through aptitude purge |
| 10:09.39 | ajavid | man aptitude and read aptitude-doc |
| 10:09.42 | mahjong | ajavid: aha, the unix way! |
| 10:10.04 | oxi | mahjong: No non-free or contrib packages installed on foo.bar! rms would be proud. |
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| 10:10.13 | mahjong | oxi: not surprised :) |
| 10:10.13 | oxi | mahjong: yeah, that was fun! |
| 10:11.18 | mahjong | oxi: with vrms installed, you should be able to add non-free repositories to your sources.list, download the source packages and do your thing, then afterwards remove those repositories and uninstall anything vrms says isn't free |
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| 10:11.37 | oxi | I'm glad vrms isn't non-free :-) |
| 10:11.55 | oxi | cool |
| 10:11.57 | mahjong | oxi: that would allow you to use apt-get source rather than having to dig through the maintainer's docs to see how to manually put together a source package dir |
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| 10:12.08 | mahjong | though that would probably be a useful read |
| 10:13.15 | oxi | I don't know if I'm even allowed to look at the packaging sources, if I'm planning on a free version |
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| 10:13.56 | oxi | just not tell anyone, heh :-) |
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| 10:14.05 | benjamindees | fail |
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| 10:15.30 | benjamindees | so you have the program working with some free java version? |
| 10:15.45 | oxi | yep |
| 10:15.50 | benjamindees | or you're just packaging it without the dependency? |
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| 10:16.16 | oxi | benjamindees: with dependency |
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| 10:19.03 | djshotglass | ajavid: i have been going over ig and i am not sure what you think i should read |
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| 10:19.51 | djshotglass | i see no other method of installing but the installer, which is not going to work for me as i dont have a keyboard the installer will accept |
| 10:19.54 | benjamindees | oxi, you were joking about the packaging sources, right? |
| 10:20.11 | djshotglass | all my keyboards work in bois and current os on machine |
| 10:20.19 | djshotglass | but once i boot the installer keyboard lights go out |
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| 10:20.23 | djshotglass | and it just sits there |
| 10:20.26 | oxi | benjamindees: I wasn't quite serious, yep |
| 10:20.40 | ajavid | well you didn't say that I think |
| 10:20.42 | oxi | benjamindees: but I'm working on a package |
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| 10:20.57 | benjamindees | RMS isn't even that paranoid |
| 10:21.40 | djshotglass | debain is the only os i have had this problem with, probably because every other os has a countdown on menus that are shown before usb is supported |
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| 10:23.42 | benjamindees | djshotglass, did you read the release notes and fiddle with your legacy keyboard settings in the BIOS? |
| 10:24.08 | djshotglass | yes |
| 10:24.15 | djshotglass | legacy usb is enabled |
| 10:24.37 | oxi | I need debuild to create a package, right? |
| 10:24.54 | oxi | which one should I aptitude: packages contain "debuild" in their description: devscripts-el devscripts pbuilder |
| 10:25.14 | mahjong | devscripts |
| 10:25.18 | mahjong | oxi: devscripts |
| 10:25.21 | oxi | mahjong: thanks |
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| 10:25.31 | benjamindees | I think there are like five different ways to build a .deb package |
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| 10:25.53 | oxi | benjamindees: yeah, that's my trouble |
| 10:26.01 | mahjong | depends on what you're packaging, i think |
| 10:26.06 | oxi | benjamindees: I just want the simplest way |
| 10:26.11 | oxi | mahjong: a java lib |
| 10:26.14 | mahjong | like kernel stuff wants make-kpkg or module assistant |
| 10:26.22 | oxi | mahjong: I see |
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| 10:26.37 | benjamindees | dpkg-buildpackage is easiest imho |
| 10:26.42 | mahjong | oxi: debuild should work. it's in devscripts. |
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| 10:27.05 | JyZyXEL | sudo update-alternatives --set x-terminal-emulator /usr/bin/rxvt-unicode |
| 10:27.07 | JyZyXEL | update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/rxvt-unicode to provide /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator (x-terminal-emulator) in manual mode. |
| 10:27.08 | benjamindees | heh |
| 10:27.09 | JyZyXEL | Can't call method "slave" on an undefined value at /usr/sbin/update-alternatives line 1017. |
| 10:27.12 | JyZyXEL | whats wrong? |
| 10:27.13 | ajavid | sudo aptitude search ~snon-free |cut -d' ' -f4 |
| 10:27.15 | ajavid | maybe |
| 10:27.17 | ajavid | oh wait |
| 10:27.21 | ajavid | I think aptitude can format it self |
| 10:27.22 | ajavid | hang on |
| 10:27.36 | ajavid | sudo aptitude search ~snon-free -F "%p" |
| 10:27.40 | oxi | mahjong: yeah, got it running, it wants: (expected one of derby_1.0~alpha1.orig.tar.gz, derby_1.0~alpha1.orig.tar.bz2, derby_1.0~alpha1.orig.tar.lzma or derby.orig) |
| 10:27.49 | ajavid | sudo aptitude search ~scontrib -F "%p" |
| 10:27.52 | oxi | mahjong: I'll look into doing those orig tars |
| 10:27.55 | ajavid | and maybe even |
| 10:27.58 | mahjong | ajavid: i always use awk and turn off columns |
| 10:28.01 | mahjong | ajavid: whoa |
| 10:28.16 | ajavid | aptitude search ~scontrib -F "%p"|aptitude purge -y |
| 10:28.19 | ajavid | Id unno |
| 10:28.21 | ajavid | some crap like that |
| 10:28.31 | ajavid | I'm not too awk savvy ... yet |
| 10:28.32 | mahjong | ajavid: -F is power |
| 10:28.38 | ajavid | indeed |
| 10:28.41 | oxi | :-) |
| 10:28.49 | ajavid | aptitude install aptitude-doc-en |
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| 10:28.57 | ajavid | or whatver your lingo is |
| 10:28.59 | mahjong | ajavid: doin it right now |
| 10:29.23 | mahjong | oxi: make sure you place the .tar.gz files in the correct place |
| 10:29.38 | oxi | mahjong: I've haven't got one yet :-) |
| 10:29.42 | mahjong | heh, ok |
| 10:29.52 | oxi | mahjong: seems like I put the stuff at the wrong place, yep |
| 10:30.00 | ajavid | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
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| 10:30.07 | ajavid | here you are |
| 10:30.29 | mahjong | man |
| 10:30.35 | ajavid | woman |
| 10:30.36 | mahjong | that is just crazy |
| 10:30.43 | mahjong | i had no idea |
| 10:30.56 | ajavid | !why aptitude |
| 10:30.56 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 10:31.19 | ajavid | aptitude PWNZ. |
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| 10:31.30 | mahjong | the dep handling alone is worth it |
| 10:31.32 | ajavid | you can't fuck with aptitude. and now it has build-dep! :) |
| 10:31.49 | ajavid | so there is no more reason to use apt-get |
| 10:31.55 | mahjong | where's source? and rdepends? |
| 10:31.55 | djshotglass | well thanks for nothing |
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| 10:32.07 | ajavid | apt-source and apt-rdepends |
| 10:32.08 | mahjong | hopefully that guy will go have a shot |
| 10:32.12 | ajavid | sudo aptitude serch apt |
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| 10:32.15 | ajavid | doh |
| 10:32.18 | ajavid | i got a bad sudo habit |
| 10:32.22 | ajavid | aptitude search apt |
| 10:32.28 | mahjong | why's sudo frowned upon?? |
| 10:32.34 | ajavid | its not |
| 10:32.36 | ajavid | !sudo |
| 10:32.36 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it, ask me about <visudo>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 10:33.13 | mahjong | just because ubuntu favors it |
| 10:33.22 | mahjong | oxi: is everything building ok? |
| 10:33.23 | ajavid | I love sudo |
| 10:33.43 | mahjong | good for aliases |
| 10:33.47 | oxi | mahjong: not yet, I still need to to a lot of work on it |
| 10:34.08 | mahjong | oxi: fair enough, good luck. |
| 10:34.41 | oxi | mahjong: I was going to use a prebuilt jar for simplification, but I couldn't find an example for that so, now I'm tryning to create a package which uses the sources in an orig.tar.gz |
| 10:34.45 | oxi | mahjong: thanks |
| 10:34.49 | ajavid | 5:30am... |
| 10:34.53 | ajavid | I still am awake |
| 10:35.06 | mahjong | oh man i thought it was late here |
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| 10:35.33 | ajavid | I was supposed to get work done tonight and make a commit to svn |
| 10:35.41 | ajavid | I just chatted here all night :) |
| 10:35.50 | mahjong | what project? |
| 10:35.58 | ajavid | secret project |
| 10:36.01 | mahjong | yeah |
| 10:36.04 | mahjong | those always suffer |
| 10:36.04 | ajavid | yea |
| 10:36.18 | ajavid | i've signed NDA |
| 10:36.32 | mahjong | break it, go to jail |
| 10:36.36 | mahjong | it's totally worth it |
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| 10:36.56 | ajavid | I think I'll collect my $200 and NOT go to jail |
| 10:37.03 | mahjong | but it's irc! |
| 10:37.20 | ajavid | I am a slave to my ethics. |
| 10:37.23 | mahjong | tsk tsk |
| 10:37.30 | ajavid | I know.I suffer. |
| 10:38.35 | clearscreen | mahjong: late reply, but you wouldn't be the first to get shitstormed for mentioning the use of sudo in this channel :p |
| 10:38.45 | ajavid | good night folks |
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| 10:38.55 | ajavid | passing out |
| 10:39.04 | clearscreen | gn |
| 10:39.32 | mahjong | yeah, nothing like income to make you feel lame |
| 10:39.34 | mahjong | clearscreen: lol |
| 10:39.36 | mahjong | ajavid: good night and good luck |
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| 10:40.13 | mahjong | clearscreen: haha but why so much hate? |
| 10:40.22 | clearscreen | mahjong: I have no idea :p |
| 10:40.38 | mahjong | clearscreen: root is not cool |
| 10:42.01 | cydork | nothing is wrong with using sudo if you are using it, just to give access for a script or something as dpkg factoid says.. |
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| 10:42.40 | mahjong | yeah |
| 10:43.06 | mahjong | i guess the question is when is it best to not just dip into a file as root? |
| 10:43.12 | mahjong | i only use su w/tramp |
| 10:43.19 | cydork | but to give complete root access is not IMHO (like ubuntu) |
| 10:43.29 | mahjong | hmm |
| 10:44.06 | clearscreen | well if I need to quickly enter multiple root commands I just drop into interactive mode real quick.. saves some keystrokes :p |
| 10:44.35 | cydork | complete root access with sudo is generally frowned upon.. |
| 10:45.13 | mahjong | eh, fair enough |
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| 10:45.55 | mahjong | it is pretty weak to keep prepending lines with sudo |
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| 10:50.00 | majhool | there we go |
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| 11:08.55 | NicoOOoOo | la freebox lit elle les mp4 plz ?! |
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| 11:12.07 | enmerkar | !fr |
| 11:12.07 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:12.26 | monokrome | hi |
| 11:12.43 | monokrome | Is Anacron something that things like Apache, Postgresql, etc set up without a user specifically asking for it? |
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| 11:13.25 | monokrome | I have been getting "mail" on my server for the last week |
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| 11:13.34 | monokrome | and it is from anacron, but I never set up a cron job |
| 11:14.01 | enmerkar | monokrome: apt-cache rdepends |
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| 11:14.14 | benjamindees | interesting 2 million French people using a DSL modem that runs videolan-client |
| 11:14.42 | monokrome | enmerkar: How will that help? |
| 11:14.53 | abrotman | monokrome: i'ts part of your cron setup |
| 11:15.10 | monokrome | What do you mean? |
| 11:15.32 | abrotman | monokrome: your ssstem uses cron to run jobs at specifed times .. anacron is part of that |
| 11:15.39 | abrotman | judd: info anacron --release lenny |
| 11:15.41 | judd | abrotman: anacron (admin): is optional; Version: 2.3-13.1; Size: 28.6k; Installed: 188k -- cron-like program that doesn't go by time |
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| 11:16.33 | benjamindees | monokrome: yes basically |
| 11:16.35 | monokrome | abrotman: Yes, but is there a way to see all jobs that run - and are there jobs that Debian sets up itself? |
| 11:16.40 | monokrome | I am wondering why it is sending me mail |
| 11:16.49 | abrotman | monokrome: sure .. there are system jobs |
| 11:17.11 | abrotman | monokrome: depends on the content of the mail .. something might be wrong |
| 11:17.23 | monokrome | h ok |
| 11:17.29 | monokrome | I thought someone hacked my box lol |
| 11:17.37 | NicoOOoOo | réponse = non, et les flv ?! |
| 11:18.14 | abrotman | NicoOOoOo: english please |
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| 11:18.38 | monokrome | I was freaking out over here |
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| 11:18.56 | abrotman | monokrome: did you try actually reading the emails ? |
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| 11:20.07 | benjamindees | the emails say someone hacked your box |
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| 11:23.26 | lxsameer | when i try to install nvidia driver form source on debian64 it show me a warrning about top-level root dir what is it? |
| 11:23.36 | lch11 | is there a repository for kde3? kde4 is so painfully slow im using xfce/fvwm at the moment |
| 11:24.51 | lxsameer | lch11: do you use nvidia graphic card? |
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| 11:25.24 | lch11 | lxsameer: yeah i already tried the /usr/bin/nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1 but its still so slow when switching virtual desktops |
| 11:25.25 | monokrome | brammator: No, I never knew how until about 10 minutes ago :) |
| 11:25.35 | lch11 | lxsameer: it just makes me not want to use it when i have another host with fvwm and it is so fast |
| 11:26.42 | lxsameer | lch11: fvwm is awesome , i really want to solve the kde4 problem in my PC , so can you share you info with me? |
| 11:26.53 | lxsameer | lch11: whats you nvidia model? |
| 11:27.09 | lch11 | lxsameer: 2 x 8600GT for 5760x1920 xinerama |
| 11:27.12 | abrotman | lch11: on squeeze/sid ? |
| 11:27.18 | lch11 | squeeze |
| 11:27.40 | abrotman | nope .. you get kde4 or something else .. haven't seen a repo for kde3 on squeeze/sid |
| 11:27.53 | lxsameer | lch11: amd64 ? |
| 11:27.57 | abrotman | you could ask #debian-kde on oftc .. but i doubt it exists |
| 11:28.18 | monokrome | ooh |
| 11:28.18 | lch11 | when i change desktops there is a 2-4 second delay before everything 'refreshes' |
| 11:28.18 | lch11 | with KDE3 it was instantaenous |
| 11:28.19 | monokrome | It started because I installed sudo, I think. |
| 11:28.19 | lch11 | lxsameer: amd64 capable cpu but 32bit (6700) |
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| 11:28.42 | lch11 | abrotman: ok, i guess i live with the slowness or move to a new window manager - out of curiosity, which window managers do you guys use? |
| 11:28.58 | abrotman | lch11: either gnome+sawfish or blackbox |
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| 11:29.25 | lxsameer | lch11: awesome 3 is awesome and fvwm-crystal rocks |
| 11:29.40 | abrotman | lch11: a lot of people seem to like lxde FWIW |
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| 11:30.14 | FailPowah | is it possible to change my mainboard and cpu and ram from my current computer install and upgrade to a dual core setup without reinstall my debian setup= |
| 11:30.37 | abrotman | FailPowah: ideally, yes |
| 11:30.50 | lch11 | will give those a try, i used to use gnome 1.x+sawfish back in the day, and enlightenment before that - yes I tried LXDE, it was pretty nice as well, one of the things i am looking for in a window manager (which KDE offers) is when I boot, I launch a lot of apps, web browser, IRC, IM, I like them to go (launch) in specific virtual desktop workspaces, is there any other window manager besides KDE (and old gnome/sawfish) that still does this |
| 11:31.00 | abrotman | FailPowah: it should detect and start using hte new hardware .. you may have to reconfigure some of the settings .. but ideally it would work |
| 11:31.41 | abrotman | lch11: gnome can .. i thought xfce could .. i don't loo for that feature, so not really sure |
| 11:31.43 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 11:31.44 | dpkg | it has been said that xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 11:31.47 | FailPowah | abrotman, any software i should pre-install to make its go as smoothly as possible with the change? |
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| 11:32.03 | abrotman | FailPowah: only if you know you'll need binary blobs for the new hardware |
| 11:32.26 | lch11 | thanks all, will try those out |
| 11:32.42 | rumpsy | g2g, thank for your support |
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| 11:33.41 | FailPowah | abrotman, okey, thanks, gonna give it a thought. |
| 11:34.42 | abrotman | FailPowah: and remember that udev will enumerate devices instead of just giving it eth0 for examples |
| 11:35.06 | abrotman | though you can change it back to being eth0 .. just a config file |
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| 11:39.15 | Linux-IRC | hello, can't login into graphical desktop, it's a cosole based black screen, how can i install gnome-desktop, again and can get the graphical gnome desktop again? what's the command? |
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| 11:39.44 | abrotman | Linux-IRC: aptitude install gnome xorg gdm |
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| 11:41.17 | Linux-IRC | abrotman: anything else to install, startx? |
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| 11:42.07 | abrotman | that will come with xorg |
| 11:42.21 | Linux-IRC | abrotman: ok |
| 11:42.26 | Linux-IRC | abrotman: thank you |
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| 11:58.45 | tdn | Is there a way, I can have my Debian Lenny server send me an e-mail if (or before) it runs out of free disk space? Say, I would like an e-mail, if disk space available on / is less than 100MB. How can I do this? |
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| 12:00.24 | GRiFTaH-xtc | tdn: you could right a small bash script to do it |
| 12:01.01 | GRiFTaH-xtc | If you wanted something a little more, you could install a monitoring agent like Zabbix or Nagios |
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| 12:02.01 | xomhau | hi all, how to access to machine in lan over ssh from internet? |
| 12:02.11 | tdn | GRiFTaH-xtc, I have considered that. I considered to write a shellscript that runs df with cron and then sends an e-mail if / has less than X space. But the problem is, that if I have the script run every hour, I will keep on getting e-mails, when the disk space is below X. Another problem is that if the server runs dry on disk space, it cannot send out e-mails.... |
| 12:02.19 | SPF | xomhau: forward the ssh port in the gateway |
| 12:02.30 | tdn | xomhau, use port forwarding in your NAT router. |
| 12:04.29 | GRiFTaH-xtc | tdn: The only other way I could think of would be to run the command from another machine over ssh, using key pairs for authentication. With the email every hour, yoyu just set an output file, if the file already exists, don't send the email. Means that once you have cleared the space you would then need to remove the file, if that makes sense. |
| 12:04.41 | tdn | GRiFTaH-xtc, I think there are a lot of problems involved with writing a shellscript for this. Also, I think that setting up Nagios, etc. just for this is maybe overkill. Isn't there anything in between? |
| 12:05.06 | tdn | GRiFTaH-xtc, hmm... Ok. |
| 12:05.41 | GRiFTaH-xtc | Agreed that ngios would be overkill if you don't make use of the other monitoring options. |
| 12:05.56 | clearscreen | tdn: if space drops below X, in addition to sending a mail just touch a file.. check for it's creation on top of checking for disk space :) |
| 12:06.04 | clearscreen | check for its existence* |
| 12:06.12 | benjamindees | bash script and cron and ssmtp should be easy |
| 12:06.21 | tdn | clearscreen, but if disk space runs out, I cannot touch a file on the disk :( |
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| 12:06.45 | clearscreen | set an environment variable then |
| 12:07.00 | tdn | GRiFTaH-xtc, actually, I have a nagios server in the network. Maybe I could set this up to check disk space also. Right now it just checks TCP services and ping. But I dont know how to make it check disk space on remote servers. |
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| 12:07.46 | GRiFTaH-xtc | tdn: I've only worked with Zabbix myself and using agents on the machines I want to monitor for disk/cpu etc. |
| 12:07.52 | crzedmonk | hi |
| 12:07.55 | clearscreen | hi |
| 12:08.41 | GRiFTaH-xtc | tdn: Jump in the Nagios channel, see if anyone has some ideas for you :-) |
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| 12:12.17 | v4nelle | guys anybody knows how to fix the problem with nautilus,which freeze when i go to preferences? |
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| 12:13.42 | GRiFTaH-xtc | v4nelle: Is it a fresh install? |
| 12:14.24 | redtape__ | hey, I compile support for my ethernet card as a module, but when I try to `modprobe 3c59x`, it tells me "FATAL: Error inserting 3c59x (/lib/modules/2.6.18/kernel/drivers/net/3c59x.ko): No such device", in dmesg it has this: "kobject_add failed for 3c59x with -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same directory." What does all this mean? |
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| 12:15.13 | tdn | GRiFTaH-xtc, I was just hoping for an easier solution for this (seemingly) simple problem. |
| 12:15.31 | ZOO0828 | hi, guys, a straightforward Q - where is the conf file for the X to determine the selected WM(windows manager)? which could be modified in recovery mode, no X environment |
| 12:15.38 | v4nelle | GRiFTaH-xtc: yes.... |
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| 12:16.15 | redtape__ | ZOO0828: you mean ~/.xinitrc? |
| 12:16.18 | Zylvain | hello |
| 12:16.22 | Zylvain | i try to install GIT |
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| 12:16.34 | nlindblad | Will Debian 5.0 support ext4 out of the box? |
| 12:16.34 | beardy | !wmanager |
| 12:16.37 | Zylvain | but i get a message: git is transitionnal package for gnuit |
| 12:16.41 | beardy | !window manager |
| 12:16.41 | dpkg | [window manager] a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list available window managers in your system, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". For a guide to available window managers, see http://xwinman.org/ |
| 12:16.45 | ZOO0828 | redtape. thanks, let me take a look |
| 12:16.53 | Arrowmaster | Zylvain: install git-core |
| 12:17.15 | GRiFTaH-xtc | v4nelle: hmmm... perhaps a file permissions issue when it is trying to create a new prefs file? |
| 12:17.16 | v4nelle | GRiFTaH-xtc: i talk about this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545254 |
| 12:17.25 | catsup | tdn: the solution GRiFTaH-xtc suggested seems pretty easy! |
| 12:17.40 | abrotman | nlindblad: the .26 kernel has ext4_dev .. or you can get a .30 from bpo that does support it |
| 12:17.43 | Zylvain | Arrowmaster: ok thanks |
| 12:17.45 | beardy | ZOO0828: No no no.. no "recovery mode".. X is not essential.. just use one of you whole 6 virtual terminals, and set it, if need be.. |
| 12:17.53 | ZOO0828 | redtape oops, no such file |
| 12:17.59 | GRiFTaH-xtc | tdn: I've always just gone with a script on the local machine that runs every minute, unlikely you'll chew up 100MB in a minute. |
| 12:18.02 | nlindblad | abrotman: Nothing suitable for produciton use I guess? |
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| 12:18.27 | abrotman | nlindblad: if you use a backported kernel (though given the infancy of ext4, would you really want to use it for production?) |
| 12:18.42 | ZOO0828 | beardy: yes i understand, i need to know which file control the WM to be loaded |
| 12:18.46 | redtape__ | ZOO0828: ok, thats how I do it. Do you use "startx"? |
| 12:18.55 | nlindblad | abrotman: Thanks |
| 12:18.57 | catsup | probably nothing dangerous about ext4 though |
| 12:19.17 | ZOO0828 | redtape. yes, i do |
| 12:19.24 | xeon-enouf | unixSnob: i _did_ mention how i thought that amd64 chroot article was _dated_ - and i mentioned that you might be able to get some useful info from it, *not* follow it as a step-by-step/howto |
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| 12:19.54 | beardy | ZOO0828: Read what dpkg told you above. Set it with update-alternatives. |
| 12:19.56 | beardy | !nodm |
| 12:19.57 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 12:20.54 | ZOO0828 | dpkg. thanks, those info are useful, hold on, ... |
| 12:20.58 | redtape__ | ZOO0828: If you want to change your default window manager then just add something like "exec startfluxbox" to ~/.xinitrc. Thats how I do it. May not be the "Debian way" though, anyone else have a better way? |
| 12:21.11 | nalioth | http://tinyurl.com/test |
| 12:21.14 | TD | Link info: http://tinyurl.com/test expands to http://www.unitedmedia.com |
| 12:21.23 | abrotman | redtape__: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 12:21.24 | nalioth | this bot belong to anyone? |
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| 12:21.41 | abrotman | thinks nalioth might be a spammer |
| 12:21.52 | tdn | GRiFTaH-xtc, can I see the script you use? |
| 12:21.59 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: but then how to launch it automatically without a DM? ;-) |
| 12:22.07 | redtape__ | abrotman: cheers. |
| 12:22.18 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: AFAIK startx honors that if you don't have anything else set |
| 12:22.20 | catsup | http://tinyurl.com/test <-- doesn't look like a spam url |
| 12:22.25 | TD | Link info: http://tinyurl.com/test expands to http://www.unitedmedia.com |
| 12:22.28 | abrotman | catsup: it was a joke |
| 12:22.29 | redtape__ | anyone have any idea about my problem a little of the way up? |
| 12:22.31 | catsup | oh |
| 12:22.32 | nalioth | catsup: watch TD |
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| 12:22.44 | abrotman | http://tinyurl.com/asdfasdf |
| 12:22.46 | catsup | TD? |
| 12:22.47 | redtape__ | I'm a little frustrated about it. |
| 12:22.48 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: i understand, but to do it auto, requires a ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession, yes? |
| 12:22.48 | TD | Exception ([Errno socket error] (7, 'getaddrinfo failed')) during event 'onPrivmsg' handler LinkInfoModule.LinkInfoCommand at httplib.connect on line 667: socket.SOCK_STREAM): |
| 12:22.56 | catsup | oh |
| 12:22.58 | enmerkar | bad bot |
| 12:23.04 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: didn't think so .. |
| 12:23.08 | beardy | knows abrotman is a spammer |
| 12:23.19 | abrotman | and it's a badly programmed bot |
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| 12:23.29 | nalioth | abrotman: i suspect TD is here w/o invitation? |
| 12:23.41 | catsup | i like irc bots that output exception messages to the public channel |
| 12:23.43 | abrotman | i don't know the bot |
| 12:24.04 | catsup | don't ask me why; it just makes me feel good |
| 12:24.08 | abrotman | nalioth: could just +b it and tell the owner to msg ? |
| 12:24.09 | redtape__ | http://tinyurl.com/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 12:24.11 | TD | Link info: http://tinyurl.com/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA expands to http://tinyurl.com/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 12:24.23 | redtape__ | ?? |
| 12:24.25 | nalioth | abrotman: we could |
| 12:24.38 | abrotman | or kline it :) |
| 12:24.40 | unixSnob | xeon-enouf: ok, thanks. it seems it's the only comprehensive source on the topic though, so I'm stuck with it |
| 12:24.48 | nalioth | abrotman: well, answered the question, anyway |
| 12:24.52 | abrotman | found the owner! |
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| 12:25.10 | unixSnob | I hope "debootstrap --arch i386 sid /var/chroot/sid-ia32 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/" is a safe command to run... I just read about someone doing that with cdebootstrap, and getting a kernel panic |
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| 12:25.43 | catsup | no command is safe from a kernel panic ;) |
| 12:25.44 | xeon-enouf | unixSnob: try testing, not sid- then upgrade if wanted |
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| 12:27.00 | unixSnob | xeon-enouf: i already kicked off the debootstrap command, so I'm stuck with what happens at this point |
| 12:27.02 | tmpuser | hello, how can I switch between fglrx, radeon and radeonhd drivers? And how can I figure out which driver I'm currentrly using? |
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| 12:27.16 | GRiFTaH-xtc | a |
| 12:27.26 | abrotman | tmpuser: look at your Xorg.0.log |
| 12:28.12 | unixSnob | "Base system installed successfully." |
| 12:28.32 | unixSnob | celebrates |
| 12:28.33 | tmpuser | abrotman, thank you.. and how can i switch among the drivers? (I'm trying to figure out which is the one best fitting for me) |
| 12:29.30 | abrotman | tmpuser: you can specify in your xorg.conf |
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| 12:30.34 | tmpuser | abrotman, so I need to set "Driver" "fglrx" "radeon" or "radeonhd", right? |
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| 12:30.53 | abrotman | something like that .. you could use |
| 12:30.54 | abrotman | !xorg config |
| 12:30.55 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed - and is often blank - but manual configuration is still possible. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
| 12:31.03 | abrotman | the X -configure to create an xorg.conf |
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| 12:38.56 | tmpuser | !xorg config |
| 12:38.57 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed - and is often blank - but manual configuration is still possible. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
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| 12:39.16 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: before i do it, see anything wrong with "dpkg: xorg.conf is <reply> see xorg config" |
| 12:39.19 | xeon-enouf | ? |
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| 12:39.31 | larsemil | anyone knows how to get media buttons / acpi scripts to work for a dell vostro 1220? |
| 12:39.48 | xeon-enouf | larsemil: is that a laptop? see /msg dpkg laptop |
| 12:39.54 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: it's empty now ? |
| 12:40.04 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: yes |
| 12:40.21 | xeon-enouf | (doesn't exist) |
| 12:40.24 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: we can change it later if need be |
| 12:40.54 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: xorg.conf is <reply> see xorg config |
| 12:40.55 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: okay |
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| 12:43.10 | larsemil | xeon-enouf: thanks. but there are no guides for my laptop. seems to be to new |
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| 12:44.51 | xeon-enouf | larsemil: hrm .. could see something like this then perhaps? http://tuxmobil.org/howto_linux_laptop.html use xev (for X) and showkey (for Console) |
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| 12:46.13 | xeon-enouf | larsemil: e.g. ; http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html |
| 12:46.17 | larsemil | xeon-enouf: thanks. got the keycodes |
| 12:46.31 | xeon-enouf | larsemil: that guide seems dated though .. so ...things might've changed a bit |
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| 12:48.09 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions i8kutils |
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| 12:48.09 | judd | xeon-enouf: i8kutils -- etch: 1.27 lenny: 1.27 sid: 1.32 squeeze: 1.32 |
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| 12:48.45 | xeon-enouf | larsemil: seems to be for Dells - apt-get update ; apt-cache show i8kutils ; or visit p.d.o |
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| 12:49.04 | larsemil | xeon-enouf: thanks i got it to work |
| 12:49.21 | xeon-enouf | cool |
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| 12:49.56 | xeon-enouf | larsemil: generated a ~/.xmodmap? with proper keycodes? |
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| 12:51.13 | larsemil | xeon-enouf: haha no. i realised the volume buttons where working. so then i thought maybe kde just does not know what to do with the keypresses - so i bound the keys to f.ex. start amarok and play next song and so on. :) worked like a charm |
| 12:52.20 | xeon-enouf | larsemil: http://cweiske.de/howto/xmodmap/allinone.html mightbeuseful |
| 12:52.33 | xeon-enouf | ok |
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| 12:53.13 | xeon-enouf | larsemil: if Lenny; which uses kde 3.5.{9,10}, you likely can set all that up in K control center (kcontrol from xterm) |
| 12:54.09 | xeon-enouf | Revision 1.3 2008-05-12 <--fairly recent ;-) |
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| 12:57.43 | larsemil | xeon-enouf: haha you going to like this one. it worked but not every time. i thought it was some bug or something not correct configured. but then there was a plastic film that i had not removed yet, that was over all the media buttons. :) |
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| 12:58.04 | xeon-enouf | larsemil: hahaha |
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| 12:58.33 | xeon-enouf | !shrinkwrapsmite larsemil :-P |
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| 12:59.50 | larsemil | :( |
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| 13:00.52 | ZOO0828 | dpkg: thanks a lot. I finally figured it out, according to a file "????-common_determine-startup" inside /etc/X11/Xsession.d , X will try start the x-session-manager, if not applicable, then x-windows-manager and then x-terminal-manager. therefore, I can use "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" to set the default session-manager. :D |
| 13:00.52 | dpkg | ZOO0828: sure thing |
| 13:01.57 | ZOO0828 | dpkg, how came your response is faster than my posting? :) |
| 13:01.58 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, ZOO0828 |
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| 13:04.09 | ZOO0828 | also found out some very interesting stuff inside /etc/X11/Xsession.d including the im-switch... cool |
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| 13:08.42 | dkay | hello #debian |
| 13:09.17 | dkay | hello? |
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| 13:10.21 | clearscreen | hey ? |
| 13:10.32 | cydork | !ask |
| 13:10.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:10.49 | dkay | hi, can someone help me to mount ntfs? |
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| 13:11.00 | dkay | ive installed all neccessary stuff |
| 13:11.03 | dkay | but wont work |
| 13:11.15 | enmerkar | !tell dkay about errors |
| 13:11.18 | clearscreen | define 'wont work' |
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| 13:11.37 | dkay | Fatal: Module Fuse not found |
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| 13:11.57 | dkay | ive installed: afuse, fuse-utils, udev, nfts-3gs |
| 13:12.04 | dkay | libfuse2 |
| 13:12.08 | cydork | dkay: modprobe it |
| 13:12.13 | dkay | no idea what i do miss |
| 13:12.17 | dkay | have it done |
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| 13:12.43 | dkay | and as i daid "Fatal: fuse modul not foun |
| 13:12.51 | cydork | you see it in lsmod? |
| 13:13.02 | xeon-enouf | dkay: modprobe -l |
| 13:13.06 | xeon-enouf | dkay: modprobe -l | grep fuse |
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| 13:13.31 | xeon-enouf | dkay: otherwise your booted into wrong kernel |
| 13:13.35 | dkay | no fuse there |
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| 13:13.41 | enmerkar | dkay: did you build your own kernel? |
| 13:13.43 | xeon-enouf | dkay: modprobe works on `uname -r` |
| 13:13.45 | dkay | no |
| 13:13.50 | dkay | its an image from my isp |
| 13:13.57 | enmerkar | aaaah |
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| 13:14.11 | cydork | dkay: hmm they don't fuse module then. |
| 13:14.11 | xeon-enouf | now, find /lib/modules -name '*fuse*' |
| 13:14.25 | dkay | the do not fuse module then? |
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| 13:14.35 | xeon-enouf | image from ISP? wtf? |
| 13:14.47 | dkay | its an minimal debian image |
| 13:14.56 | dkay | with ssh and network |
| 13:15.00 | enmerkar | dkay: so install a debian kernel |
| 13:15.01 | dkay | nothing else |
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| 13:15.11 | xeon-enouf | perhaps it's builtin? grep FUSE /boot/config-`uname -r` otherwise it ain't Debian |
| 13:15.18 | dkay | ey, how to check the current kernel? |
| 13:15.30 | enmerkar | uname -a |
| 13:15.32 | xeon-enouf | uname -a ; cat /proc/version |
| 13:15.59 | xeon-enouf | CONFIG_FUSE_FS=m |
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| 13:16.26 | dkay | e, its 2.6.18 |
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| 13:16.34 | dkay | on my other i got 2.6.28 |
| 13:16.35 | xeon-enouf | eeep |
| 13:16.45 | xeon-enouf | that's not what it says |
| 13:16.53 | dkay | apt-cache ? |
| 13:16.56 | xeon-enouf | you're not running debian |
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| 13:16.59 | xeon-enouf | !version |
| 13:17.00 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 13:17.02 | dkay | how is that command running? |
| 13:17.26 | xeon-enouf | pastebin the info |
| 13:18.48 | dkay | it wont let me copy |
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| 13:18.53 | dkay | ill type it down |
| 13:19.14 | dkay | Linux version 2.6.18-028stab06.4-ent |
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| 13:19.27 | dkay | (root@hr-build-x64 |
| 13:19.36 | dkay | (gcc version 4.1.2) |
| 13:19.44 | dkay | (Red Hat 4.1.2-42) |
| 13:19.51 | enmerkar | dkay: not debian, install a debian kernel |
| 13:19.57 | dkay | :) |
| 13:20.03 | xeon-enouf | or .. go to #redhat :-P |
| 13:20.09 | dkay | this is an redhat kernel or what? |
| 13:20.11 | dkay | lulz |
| 13:20.31 | dkay | cat /etc/debian_version 5.0.3 |
| 13:20.38 | xeon-enouf | so much for ISPs not lying |
| 13:20.39 | enmerkar | dkay: is that some vps? |
| 13:20.40 | dkay | but Red hat kernle? |
| 13:20.41 | beardy | ZOO0828: Why did you /msg me? |
| 13:20.44 | hark | it's an openvz kernel |
| 13:20.45 | dkay | yes |
| 13:20.57 | enmerkar | dkay: tell your hoster you want fuse |
| 13:21.11 | xeon-enouf | beardy: he likes facial hair? :-p |
| 13:21.13 | dkay | whats wrong with openvz kernel? |
| 13:21.26 | enmerkar | dkay: it doesn't have fuse? |
| 13:21.28 | dkay | can i apt-get an debian kernel? |
| 13:21.34 | hark | no |
| 13:21.35 | enmerkar | dkay: no |
| 13:21.42 | dkay | i cant -.- |
| 13:21.51 | redtape__ | hey, I compile support for my ethernet card as a module, but when I try to `modprobe 3c59x`, it tells me "FATAL: Error inserting 3c59x (/lib/modules/2.6.18/kernel/drivers/net/3c59x.ko): No such device", in dmesg it has this: "kobject_add failed for 3c59x with -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same directory." What does all this mean? |
| 13:21.59 | dkay | for sure, it cost only 3,50 EUR |
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| 13:22.00 | dkay | xD |
| 13:22.11 | xeon-enouf | redtape__: uname -r says? |
| 13:22.11 | dkay | something like 5$ |
| 13:22.11 | hark | redtape__: 3c59x is already in the kernel |
| 13:22.33 | hark | redtape__: oh, maybe not the 2.6.18 one |
| 13:22.39 | redtape__ | hark: that idea just struck me. |
| 13:23.01 | hark | it's in lenny's kernel, i just checked |
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| 13:23.05 | redtape__ | thanks. i think I know what i need to do now. |
| 13:23.32 | redtape__ | is there a "debian way" of managing kernels? |
| 13:23.53 | redtape__ | right now I'm editing the config myself, then compiling and putting the bzImage into /boot, is there a better way? |
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| 13:24.28 | ZOO0828 | beardy. never mind, have you used openbox by any chance? |
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| 13:24.47 | hark | redtape__: you want to compile your own kernel? |
| 13:25.03 | xeon-enouf | ZOO0828: i have |
| 13:25.23 | redtape__ | I normally do, is there pre-prepared ones? |
| 13:25.31 | redtape__ | stupid question, yes there is. |
| 13:26.04 | redtape__ | How much customisation can I do with a debian prepared one? |
| 13:26.19 | ZOO0828 | xeon-enouf: does openbox support double-byte character input? I failed to input Chinese even with a proper IM installed |
| 13:27.47 | dustybin | how could one change a mass of files and recursive directories what also contain files extension only |
| 13:27.53 | ZOO0828 | xeon-enouf: maybe I have to try SCIM. which i thought is a bit too heavyweighted |
| 13:27.56 | dustybin | i need to change file.g711 to file.ulaw |
| 13:28.02 | xeon-enouf | ZOO0828: no idea .. i only use ANSI, and no unicode - try apt-cache search cjk (orsimilar) |
| 13:28.16 | abrotman | dustybin: man rename |
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| 13:28.23 | ZOO0828 | xeon-enouf: ok |
| 13:28.31 | dustybin | ok |
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| 13:28.55 | naught101_ | hrm... is there a way to find out what xoorg video drivers are available on the system? "psb" wasn't found.. |
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| 13:29.34 | xeon-enouf | naught101_: um .. grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log then grep -r those dirs |
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| 13:30.04 | xeon-enouf | naught101_: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-* (as well i suppose) |
| 13:30.20 | naught101_ | xeon-enouf: #intel-gfx is dead :/ |
| 13:30.34 | xeon-enouf | oh well -it's a dev channel perhaps? |
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| 13:31.28 | xeon-enouf | nalioth: poke around freedesktop.org ; x.org ; and perhaps the #debian-x mailing list - oh, and #xorg and #xorg-dev perhaps |
| 13:31.35 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 13:32.04 | nalioth | xeon-enouf: about what? |
| 13:32.15 | abrotman | naught101_: you might want to ask the #debian-x if their git repo has the psb stuff in there |
| 13:32.16 | xeon-enouf | nalioth: about the price of tea in china |
| 13:32.21 | abrotman | (if it's even their deal) |
| 13:32.26 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: your tab is broken |
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| 13:32.34 | xeon-enouf | ooops |
| 13:32.45 | xeon-enouf | naught101_: sorry - i meant nalioth |
| 13:32.53 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 13:32.59 | xeon-enouf | wait .. wt4x! |
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| 13:33.13 | xeon-enouf | gives up |
| 13:33.57 | dustybin | rename .g711u .ulaw |
| 13:34.05 | dustybin | yntax error at (eval 1) line 1, near "." |
| 13:34.10 | dustybin | why? |
| 13:34.56 | xeon-enouf | dustybin: readlink -f `which rename` |
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| 13:35.17 | xeon-enouf | dustybin: there's a syntax example right in the man page |
| 13:35.39 | dustybin | xeon-enouf: im no good with regex |
| 13:35.45 | tmpuser | hi, i'm trying to make radeonhd driver work. In #radeonhd someone suggested me to reinstall mesa and xorg. May i ask you how can I do this safely? |
| 13:35.57 | xeon-enouf | dustybin: install rutebook (in non-free) - read |
| 13:36.34 | xeon-enouf | tmpuser: cat /etc/issue.net |
| 13:37.08 | tmpuser | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 |
| 13:37.22 | xeon-enouf | ok - so, uname -r says? |
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| 13:37.25 | dkay | what exactly could be the problem when i try to apt-get an debian kernel with openvz? |
| 13:37.38 | tmpuser | 2.6.30-1-486 |
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| 13:37.58 | DeSian_ | printer setting to A4 and the paper is A4 but in some long article more tahn one page cute the line in middle!! i want wrap the text in A4, is that possible? |
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| 13:38.51 | xeon-enouf | tmpuser: ok - so, hrm .. i doubt lenny-backports has a newer xorg there .. heh - well, let's see, apt-get update ; apt-cache policy xorg libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 13:39.05 | xeon-enouf | see in newer versions are available tmpuser |
| 13:39.12 | dkay | can someone tell me the command to search available kernels? apt-cache search ? |
| 13:39.25 | xeon-enouf | dustybin: basically |
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| 13:40.09 | elli222 | Uh, Hi |
| 13:40.09 | tmpuser | dkay, apt-cache search linux-image |
| 13:40.11 | benjamindees | dkay, apt-cache search linux-image |
| 13:40.15 | dkay | thanks |
| 13:40.18 | dkay | what exactly could be the problem when i try to apt-get an debian kernel with openvz? |
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| 13:40.34 | dustybin | im now a regex'er :D |
| 13:40.35 | dustybin | rename 's/\.g711u/\.ulaw/' *.g711u |
| 13:40.44 | dsdeiz | hello, i have a very old computer. an AMD k6-III.. can i have debian installed on it? |
| 13:41.26 | xeon-enouf | dsdeiz: yes |
| 13:41.46 | dsdeiz | so i just download the iso and burn it? no other things needed? |
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| 13:41.58 | xeon-enouf | dsdeiz: that should take a -686, however it will definitely take the -486 the installer uses |
| 13:42.06 | xeon-enouf | !netinstall |
| 13:42.06 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 13:42.15 | benjamindees | dustybin, that was quick |
| 13:42.27 | xeon-enouf | dsdeiz: basically, yes - it's suggested you see the Installation Guide |
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| 13:43.20 | elli222 | I have (somehow) hosed my keyboard configuration, is there any way to reconfigure it? |
| 13:43.26 | xeon-enouf | dustybin: you learn fast :-p |
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| 13:43.38 | dustybin | i dont mess around |
| 13:43.42 | xeon-enouf | elli222: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 13:44.03 | xeon-enouf | likes messin' around every now and then |
| 13:44.26 | dsdeiz | xeon-enouf: got it. thanks |
| 13:44.39 | xeon-enouf | elli222: depends how you munged it - through your DE? |
| 13:44.54 | tmpuser | so.. reinstalling mesa and xorg...? |
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| 13:45.27 | elli222 | xeon-enouf: through just about everything without a GUI (xorg.conf, dpkg-reconfigure and such) |
| 13:45.36 | sassyn | hi |
| 13:45.54 | sassyn | does any one know if the gurb2-gfx is availbale in debian? |
| 13:45.56 | dkay | how to decide between the kernels? linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 or linux-image.2.6.26-2-openvz-686 |
| 13:45.56 | dkay | ` |
| 13:45.59 | dkay | ? |
| 13:46.11 | \amethyst | dkay: do you want openvz ? |
| 13:46.13 | xeon-enouf | tmpuser: you're using a lenny-backports kernel on Lenny which is fine; to install things from backports, once setup properly (/msg dpkg bpo) use apt-get install -t lenny-backports pkgname |
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| 13:46.28 | dkay | if i do not need it no |
| 13:46.40 | xeon-enouf | sassyn: ask #grub |
| 13:46.43 | \amethyst | dkay: I'd go with either -2-amd64 or -2-686 |
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| 13:46.56 | dkay | it is x86_64, so it could be fine with the first one? |
| 13:46.58 | sassyn | thanks |
| 13:46.59 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions grub-gfx |
| 13:47.00 | judd | xeon-enouf: grub-gfx -- |
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| 13:47.04 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions grub2-gfx |
| 13:47.04 | judd | xeon-enouf: grub2-gfx -- |
| 13:47.07 | xeon-enouf | heh |
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| 13:48.11 | dkay | i wont use openvz, cause about that googlenews yesterday that someone has paid €€€ for that vz in his domain name |
| 13:48.47 | elli222 | xeon-enough: im hoping to reset them to my installation defaults, or optimized settings for a 102-key keyboard (UK Layout), any idea how to accomplish this? the dpkg-bot didnt tell me much :'( |
| 13:49.10 | xeon-enouf | elli222: setxkbmap uk ? |
| 13:49.10 | \amethyst | dkay: yes, at least as long as you don't need proprietary video drivers... I had problems when I tried to use fglrx with a 64-bit kernel and 32-bit userspace |
| 13:49.30 | xeon-enouf | elli222: /msg dpkg locales (as well) |
| 13:50.01 | xeon-enouf | goes afk ... |
| 13:50.03 | dkay | no, it is an vps. no need for grpahical drivers xD my solitier works great |
| 13:50.05 | dkay | xD |
| 13:50.17 | \amethyst | dkay: what news are you talking about? |
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| 13:50.52 | dkay | There is no vmlinuz symbolic link. create link to current kernel image? yes or no? |
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| 13:51.15 | jelly-home | hmm, can grub2 be installed on a partition? |
| 13:51.16 | \amethyst | dkay: there's also -vserver-686 if you'd rather use linux-vserver for your vps stuff |
| 13:51.23 | dkay | ive heard about that someone has to pay € cause he has used vz in his domainname |
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| 13:51.56 | Linux-IRC | can't change time from clock. why? |
| 13:51.58 | dkay | i want to go with that kernel posted above |
| 13:52.11 | dkay | the installer aks me: |
| 13:52.13 | dkay | There is no vmlinuz symbolic link. create link to current kernel image? yes or no? |
| 13:52.28 | \amethyst | dkay: 'yes' should be fine |
| 13:52.38 | dkay | i never installed an kernel before |
| 13:52.58 | Linux-IRC | can't change time from clock. why? any configuration needed? how to configure? |
| 13:53.33 | dkay | you are attempting ........ this will not work unless the boot loaded is configured to use an initrd |
| 13:53.49 | g00se | I'm using some hardware that i've been given that happens to have an NVidia GeForce card. I'm not interested in 3D so don't need anything non-free but currently a lower resolution than i'd like is being used. I wonder if it's using the right driver? |
| 13:54.19 | \amethyst | dkay: hm, probably someone else here uses grub and can help with that; I use lilo still |
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| 13:55.37 | \amethyst | dkay: btw, were you talking about this? Verizon wins $33 million in domain name lawsuit (against OnlineNic): http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/40727/118/ |
| 13:55.42 | \amethyst | from December |
| 13:56.37 | dkay | interesting, expensive domains xD |
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| 13:58.09 | dkay | you are attempting ........ this will not work unless the boot loaded is configured to use an initrd. This message will appear for any new kernel installation unless the following is added to /etc/kernel-img.conf: "do_initrd = yes" |
| 13:58.22 | Linux-IRC | can't change time from clock. why? any configuration needed? how to configure? |
| 13:58.25 | dkay | but i havent this /etc/kernel-img.conf file |
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| 13:59.09 | sylar | I am trying to set up a new system. I am trying to put the /boot on all disks, (7 disks) but it doesn't start from other disks than my initial installaiton disk |
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| 14:00.37 | sylar | I have an other system in which it works like this |
| 14:00.40 | sylar | I don't get it |
| 14:01.02 | sylar | is there some limit? if I put /boot on the end of 1000GB disk? |
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| 14:05.46 | dkay | !time |
| 14:05.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2009.09.12 14:05:37, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 14:09.32 | benjamindees | sylar, is this an x86? do you mean that you are unplugging the disks in order to simulate failure? |
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| 14:12.34 | benjamindees | sylar, what system do you have that works this way? |
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| 14:19.06 | Wyzard | sylar: On modern x86/amd64 systems there's no problem with putting the /boot filesystem at the end of a large disk; that was only a problem in the past because of cylinder limits in the BIOS |
| 14:20.49 | Wyzard | sylar: But just having a /boot filesystem doesn't make a disk bootable; it has to have a bootloader (e.g. GRUB) on it too |
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| 14:21.22 | Wyzard | sylar: and even if you have /boot and GRUB on each of your 7 disks, it's a matter of BIOS configuration which one actually gets used |
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| 14:24.59 | sylar | Wyzard, benjamindees , I think my partition type was wrong (ext3 instead of mdraid) |
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| 14:28.03 | benjamindees | I see, I was not aware of grub's ability to boot from raid partitions. |
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| 14:29.05 | pythos | Nornin! |
| 14:29.08 | Wyzard | grub2 supports Linux md-raid, I believe; grub1 does not |
| 14:29.20 | pythos | I LOVE DebIan! |
| 14:29.34 | Wyzard | but even grub1 should be able to boot from a component of a raid1 array since that looks no different from an ordinary standalone partition (there's no striping) |
| 14:29.45 | sylar | benjamindees, it is raid1 |
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| 14:29.57 | sylar | I have an other system that does that |
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| 14:30.10 | markit | anyone knows how to clear the dns cache of dnsmasq? start/stop does not work |
| 14:30.27 | sylar | but it still doesn't work |
| 14:30.44 | benjamindees | Wyzard: right but it needs to implicitly recognize it as such in order to do failover I assume |
| 14:30.58 | pythos | I need some direction with setting up an on-line store. Would like to get paypal payments to tie in. Is there debian friendly package? |
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| 14:33.20 | enmerkar | pythos: don't think so. neither magento nor oscommerce are packaged it seems |
| 14:33.35 | pythos | enmerkar: hmm, thanks tho |
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| 14:34.08 | pythos | enmerkar: people mostly go with services to do storefront/payments? |
| 14:34.47 | sylar | maybe copying /boot/* to a partition is not enough? |
| 14:34.48 | pythos | enmerkar: like ebay-store? |
| 14:34.59 | sylar | maybe I need to install it on the HD somehow? |
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| 14:35.28 | elli222 | Hmm, why dosent my caps lock LED light up in a console? caps lock works, but no led... |
| 14:35.38 | enmerkar | pythos: no idea. i guess it depends on the products you want to sell and how you want to present yourself |
| 14:35.51 | pythos | ya, right |
| 14:36.17 | benjamindees | I'm under the impression most people go with gateways, which are services that software like oscommerce use. |
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| 14:37.05 | pythos | this is little 'posh' items, handmade, not high volume. Maybe its silly to have anything other than a website with photos, the rest done personally... |
| 14:37.14 | edju | As this laptop awakes from sleeping, wicd does not recognize the network. I must run iwconfig to set the essid; the network is then recognized and a connection made w/o further config. Isn't this supposed to be done automagically? |
| 14:37.36 | benjamindees | last I looked into it there were four other levels of payment processors above the 'gateway' level but they were basically just a few vertical monopolies |
| 14:37.49 | enmerkar | pythos: i think you'd lose a lot of sales that way |
| 14:38.30 | markit | my foult, it works, just had the hostname in hosts.conf |
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| 14:38.54 | pythos | enmerkar: so then your saying I should use a online service to help push sales? |
| 14:39.46 | pythos | benjamindees: ally with one of those processors, I see |
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| 14:41.47 | agroker | hello, I'm running Gnome and all the elements look huge on my 1920x1200 screen, what is an easy GUI way to decrease their size |
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| 14:42.33 | pythos | um, last time I remmemberd, seemed like ctrl-alt-+ |
| 14:43.08 | Wyzard | That's for changing screen resolution if several are defined in xorg.conf |
| 14:43.09 | agroker | pythos, does not work for me, unfortunately |
| 14:43.23 | Wyzard | but on an LCD you probably don't want to do that |
| 14:43.23 | catsup | that would only make them huger |
| 14:43.30 | agroker | yes, LCD here |
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| 14:44.06 | pythos | agroker: umm.. ok, now seems like I remember having to go thru gnome setup again.. |
| 14:44.21 | catsup | agroker: might want to change your xorg -dpi argument |
| 14:44.45 | catsup | that might not fix it though, depends on how gnome works, which i don't really know |
| 14:44.55 | catsup | oh but |
| 14:45.06 | catsup | eh nm |
| 14:45.13 | Wyzard | agroker: Run "xdpyinfo | less" and pagedown twice so you see the "screen #0:" section |
| 14:45.23 | Wyzard | agroker: What's on the "dimensions:" and "resolution:" lines? |
| 14:46.00 | catsup | xdpyinfo |egrep 'dimen|reso' |
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| 14:46.23 | agroker | Wyzarscreen #0: |
| 14:46.23 | agroker | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.23 | agroker | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.23 | agroker | d, |
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| 14:46.47 | catsup | lame |
| 14:46.58 | catsup | 3 lines is not flood |
| 14:47.06 | agroker | sorry |
| 14:47.12 | catsup | no don't be |
| 14:47.18 | Wyzard | agroker: Your pixel dimensions are correct, but 212x159 seems rather small -- if you take a ruler to your monitor, it's not really that small, is it? |
| 14:47.24 | catsup | debhelper should be sorry |
| 14:47.39 | agroker | Wyzard, I don't understand - what should I measure with ruler? |
| 14:47.51 | catsup | the dimensions of your screen |
| 14:47.57 | Wyzard | agroker: the physical width and height of your LCD panel |
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| 14:48.17 | agroker | Wyzard, no screen is real and I did not uptake anything as of today morning ;-) |
| 14:48.31 | sidfn | hi.. anyone knows a good freenode channel to discuss about electronics? |
| 14:48.32 | catsup | that's 8.3464567 x 6.2598425 inches |
| 14:49.03 | sandman1 | Anyone know why the debian installer cannot connect to a wireless network? It asks for an ESSID, so I provide the correct one. Then I provide the WEP key when it asks, but then it tells me the DHCP server is not responding. Odd, since all my other computers are connected just fine. |
| 14:49.11 | zeroConf | whould would someone use grep-v grep style ps command over pidof ? |
| 14:49.12 | stew | sidfn: ##electronics (alis will help you find channes: /msg alis help list) |
| 14:49.26 | sidfn | thanks |
| 14:49.28 | catsup | sandman1: wifi breaks all the time :| |
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| 14:49.46 | sandman1 | Linux is still having trouble with wifi |
| 14:49.52 | sandman1 | After all these years? Darn. |
| 14:49.54 | Wyzard | agroker: Xorg calculates your DPI (230x192) by dividing the number of pixels (1920x1200) by the physical dimensions (212x159mm) |
| 14:49.55 | catsup | well |
| 14:50.12 | agroker | Wyzard, forget about, thanks for help |
| 14:50.13 | catsup | it's not a matter of 'after all these years' |
| 14:50.19 | catsup | because new wifi hardware comes out every year |
| 14:50.26 | Wyzard | agroker: It sounds like your monitor is incorrectly reporting its physical dimensions, which leads to the calculated DPI being too high |
| 14:50.36 | catsup | sandman1: how new is your wifi hardware? |
| 14:50.36 | zeroConf | i think my linux wifi is as good or better then any windows wifi i have ever used |
| 14:51.06 | catsup | zeroConf: what driver are you using? |
| 14:51.09 | sandman1 | catsup: Old. It's an Atheros |
| 14:51.25 | catsup | well atheros is a pretty complete driver afaik |
| 14:51.36 | zeroConf | catsup - i dont know never looked, i pluged it in and it wokred, its always worked, never did anything to make it work or nothing |
| 14:51.43 | catsup | on thhis laptop i'm using right now, i ahve to use ndiswrapper :( |
| 14:52.30 | catsup | zeroConf: well your anecdotal evidence is then impossible to apply :| |
| 14:52.43 | sandman1 | <== is looking through system atm, hoping to find something |
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| 14:53.02 | catsup | sandman1: you might want to try just unloading and reloading the wifi module |
| 14:53.13 | zeroConf | your right about one thing catsup - i aint no scientist.. |
| 14:53.45 | catsup | i've used a number of different wifi cards and drivers |
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| 14:54.11 | sandman1 | Okay |
| 14:54.16 | sandman1 | It's an Atheros AR2425 |
| 14:54.30 | catsup | reliability of connections seems highly variable between them; i'm not sure who to fault |
| 14:54.39 | sandman1 | ath5k module. And I'm seeing tons of warnings in syslog about it |
| 14:54.49 | catsup | oh really |
| 14:54.49 | sandman1 | Keeps saying "couldn't determine MII ioctl to use for wlan0) |
| 14:54.52 | sandman1 | )=" |
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| 14:55.17 | sandman1 | And it keeps saying "setting WE key on wlan0 failed with code -1" |
| 14:55.29 | sandman1 | Looks like I can't install Debian on this computer either, bleh. |
| 14:55.54 | catsup | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=248061 |
| 14:56.02 | catsup | After some research, I found out that my eth1 indeed had no MII ioctl |
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| 14:56.04 | catsup | support |
| 14:56.23 | catsup | oh |
| 14:56.25 | catsup | setting key failed! |
| 14:56.29 | catsup | you know what's going wrong then |
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| 14:57.33 | catsup | what happens if you run iwconfig key on the command ilne |
| 14:57.37 | sandman1 | Not yet. Trying to research what "code -1" means |
| 14:57.52 | sandman1 | Nothing, since it's busybox |
| 14:57.59 | catsup | it means it returned -1 |
| 14:58.03 | catsup | which is not meaningful |
| 14:58.21 | sandman1 | catsup: I know it returned -1 |
| 14:58.24 | catsup | return code not meaningful, -1 to indicate all errors |
| 14:58.25 | sandman1 | I need to find out what the code means |
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| 14:58.36 | sandman1 | Hm |
| 14:58.41 | benjamindees | I seem to recall 'setting key failed' usually means you need to update wireless-tools. Are you installing Lenny? |
| 14:58.41 | catsup | an error return of -1 is not meaningful, by unix convention |
| 14:59.04 | sandman1 | benjamindees: I'm trying to |
| 14:59.12 | sandman1 | benjamindees: I just downloaded a minimal CD |
| 14:59.25 | sandman1 | I suppose you're going to tell me to use the testing one =) |
| 14:59.36 | benjamindees | ha, no |
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| 14:59.45 | catsup | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-761444-start-0.html |
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| 14:59.59 | catsup | try running "ifconfig wlan0 up" first |
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| 15:00.16 | benjamindees | atheros uses 'ath0' |
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| 15:00.18 | sandman1 | catsup: I saw that in my google results already. And it's in German |
| 15:00.27 | sandman1 | Which normally isn't a problem, except that I'm lazy. |
| 15:00.35 | catsup | benjamindees: he said wlan0 before... |
| 15:00.37 | liquid | http://cambio.mendigogame.es/change_please/1687023/ |
| 15:00.51 | sandman1 | benjamindees: It's throwing errors on wlan0 |
| 15:00.53 | catsup | sandman1: well i think it says try running ifconfig wlan0 up first |
| 15:01.06 | sandman1 | I cannot run ifconfig |
| 15:01.14 | catsup | a lot of drivers seem to require that |
| 15:01.18 | catsup | why not |
| 15:01.27 | sandman1 | minimal bootcd, is there something I have to chroot |
| 15:01.31 | sandman1 | To be able to use these commands |
| 15:01.35 | benjamindees | alt-f2 |
| 15:01.36 | liquid | http://cambio.mendigogame.es/change_please/1687023/ <---- enter please |
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| 15:02.27 | sandman1 | liquid Requires login, and it's not in english. |
| 15:02.50 | GhostlyD1ath | it's probably warez or piorn |
| 15:02.53 | sandman1 | So anyway. |
| 15:02.53 | GhostlyD1ath | porn* |
| 15:02.58 | sandman1 | Can't run iwconfig or ifconfig |
| 15:03.00 | catsup | but which one?? |
| 15:03.09 | GhostlyD1ath | or drugs |
| 15:03.09 | benjamindees | hmm, no ifconfig on the installer, just ip |
| 15:03.11 | wizL | but why!! |
| 15:03.14 | sandman1 | Unless there's something to chroot |
| 15:03.14 | wizL | :> |
| 15:03.21 | sandman1 | Because it's a minimal bootCD, I presume |
| 15:03.33 | sandman1 | Alt+F2 doesn't help me, as I'm already doing that. |
| 15:03.40 | sandman1 | iwconfig and ifconfig are not found as commands. |
| 15:03.43 | sylar | seems like I had to grub-install to each disk, but now the wrong menu.lst is loaded :S |
| 15:03.44 | sandman1 | Unless there's some chroot |
| 15:03.45 | sylar | help! |
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| 15:04.10 | catsup | benjamindees: oic |
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| 15:04.27 | GhostlyD1ath | sylar: make a new list |
| 15:04.30 | catsup | ip link set wlan0 up |
| 15:04.38 | benjamindees | ip link show ath0 |
| 15:04.57 | sandman1 | benjamindees: "ip: cannot find device "ath0"" |
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| 15:05.15 | catsup | wlan0 =D |
| 15:05.17 | sandman1 | catsup: Okay, ran it. |
| 15:05.21 | sandman1 | It is wlan0, yes. |
| 15:05.37 | catsup | sandman1: now try iwconfig wlan0 key whatever |
| 15:05.45 | catsup | see if you get the error |
| 15:06.03 | sandman1 | "-/bin/sh: iwconfig: not found" |
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| 15:06.20 | catsup | um |
| 15:06.31 | catsup | is this the same boot where the installer already failed on the WEP ? |
| 15:06.37 | sandman1 | Yup. |
| 15:06.52 | sandman1 | Minimal debian boot CD |
| 15:06.52 | catsup | well, it clearly uses something to set the key, but i don't know what |
| 15:06.57 | catsup | if not iwconfig |
| 15:06.59 | sandman1 | It uses iwconfig |
| 15:07.04 | sandman1 | But I don't know where it is |
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| 15:07.12 | sandman1 | I issues a find / -name iwconfig, no results though |
| 15:07.13 | catsup | chroot /target ? |
| 15:07.16 | catsup | oh |
| 15:07.17 | sandman1 | And of course it's not in the path either |
| 15:07.22 | sandman1 | issued* |
| 15:07.23 | catsup | then how do you know it uses iwconfig ? |
| 15:07.31 | sandman1 | Because of /var/log/syslog |
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| 15:07.43 | sandman1 | Says iwconfig was failing in there |
| 15:07.50 | catsup | might as well try it again in the installer menu |
| 15:08.05 | sandman1 | I've been trying it repeatedly while we've been talking here lol |
| 15:08.13 | sandman1 | Thank you very much for your help, cat |
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| 15:08.24 | sandman1 | I appreciate it. However, I think perhaps I'll just skip it |
| 15:08.33 | sylar | GhostlyD1ath, I have an other list |
| 15:08.46 | sylar | GhostlyD1ath, but is there a parameter for it? |
| 15:08.55 | sandman1 | Debian failed to install in my virtual machines (virtualbox), it also has failed on my laptop |
| 15:09.52 | sandman1 | It's always something =) |
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| 15:10.13 | sandman1 | Something's always broken. That's the thing about Linux. Always fixing something. Or so it seems, anyway |
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| 15:11.32 | flixil | Hello. Is there a way to tell debian to use a proxy on the whole system instead that doing this on each application? Thanks. |
| 15:11.42 | catsup | well the thing abuot wifi is to choose your hardware carefully |
| 15:12.07 | sandman1 | catsup: I guess so |
| 15:12.15 | benjamindees | flixil: what type of proxy are you using? |
| 15:12.16 | catsup | flixil: yeah search for iptables transparent proxy |
| 15:12.45 | flixil | benjamindees: I'm not idea... I'm on China and they don't explain you anything about it... I just know it's address and port |
| 15:12.53 | catsup | oh |
| 15:13.03 | catsup | what port? |
| 15:13.12 | flixil | 6666 |
| 15:13.15 | catsup | um |
| 15:13.24 | flixil | Kind of evil port, you know... |
| 15:13.28 | catsup | probably a http port, maybe socks |
| 15:13.33 | catsup | it's not a standard port |
| 15:13.38 | flixil | Well firefox can work though it |
| 15:13.43 | catsup | oh! then it's http |
| 15:14.33 | sandman1 | Anybody here experience with debian-installer? |
| 15:14.39 | sandman1 | I'd like to know how its accessing iwconfig |
| 15:14.39 | benjamindees | firefox can use a bunch of different proxies |
| 15:14.46 | sandman1 | Because it's no place on the filesystem. Yet it is able to run it |
| 15:14.47 | catsup | oh |
| 15:14.51 | catsup | that's a good point |
| 15:15.05 | catsup | flixil: when you configured firefox was it configured as a http proxy or socks? |
| 15:15.20 | catsup | you can look in firefox options dialog to find out |
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| 15:16.29 | flixil | I catsup well... I put the ip and port, and I chosed use this server for all ports... and it's marked socks v5 |
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| 15:17.04 | catsup | oh well then |
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| 15:18.03 | catsup | flixil: one thing is, you can use the debian package 'tsocks' to start your x session, that's a real quick solution |
| 15:19.54 | unitypunk | wtfsupwithmyscreen! |
| 15:20.03 | unitypunk | i cant rename this screen! |
| 15:20.12 | unitypunk | tried using the command A and it failed. |
| 15:20.22 | flixil | Never heard of it.... I supose this will redirect all traffic of X though the socked proxy? |
| 15:20.27 | unitypunk | and also screen -t name command |
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| 15:21.11 | catsup | flixil: well it will override library calls so that socks will be used instead of the network |
| 15:21.20 | catsup | flixil: it's actually kind of an ugly hack |
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| 15:22.02 | sandman1 | So that's it, then? |
| 15:22.09 | catsup | sandman1: what? |
| 15:22.16 | sandman1 | The issue about iwconfig |
| 15:22.17 | catsup | oh |
| 15:22.24 | paxed | installed debian on 1tb raid-1 disk, after setting apt sources to testing and doing dist-upgrade, i get this: http://pastebin.com/m4a12d484 |
| 15:22.25 | catsup | check the source =D |
| 15:22.28 | benjamindees | sandman1: have you tried looking in the chroot? |
| 15:22.40 | flixil | catsup: in windows they tell people to use a vpn... But they got a .exe and few information so I didn't manage to get it work on linux |
| 15:22.42 | sandman1 | benjamindees: I issued a find / -name iwconfig |
| 15:22.55 | sandman1 | I'm not even sure where the chroot is |
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| 15:23.13 | benjamindees | yeah that would do it. honestly I'm not sure how it works. |
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| 15:23.45 | sandman1 | ug |
| 15:23.51 | sandman1 | Why can't things ever Just Work |
| 15:23.53 | catsup | flixil: this is better: http://transocks.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 15:23.56 | flixil | Is it better to get connection through it? It's an L2TP server |
| 15:24.51 | catsup | well it's probably better |
| 15:24.51 | sandman1 | If I downloaded a proper installcd, would it have iwconfig in a more obvious location I wonder |
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| 15:24.56 | flixil | catsup: because in what I was really thinking when I asked you if there was something like a remap for the whole system for the proxy, was in some configuration with dpkg-reconfigure... But I'll take a look on that |
| 15:24.58 | catsup | but harder |
| 15:25.19 | catsup | flixil: well you can run your whole system inside tsocks |
| 15:25.33 | catsup | flixil: but it's really much better to use the transocks like solution, with iptables |
| 15:25.57 | flixil | I'm not getting the differences, mind to talk to me in private? |
| 15:25.58 | unitypunk | is rtorrent that good? |
| 15:26.10 | benjamindees | sandman1: I have one running here; I'll reboot and see if it finds my wifi card |
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| 15:26.20 | unitypunk | or does anyone have better suggestions? |
| 15:26.38 | sandman1 | Actually |
| 15:26.44 | sandman1 | I think I can just use the ip command |
| 15:26.47 | flixil | unitypunk: if you need a console torrent program it's good |
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| 15:27.07 | unitypunk | flixil: im on ssh alot more then actually infront of it. |
| 15:27.08 | benjamindees | just saw a package go by that said nic-wireless-something |
| 15:27.08 | catsup | flixil: we can talk here. the differences are technical; iptables is a way to change the way the whole network system in linux works, but tsocks only changes the way an application works |
| 15:27.14 | sandman1 | Damn. It can't even find wireless access points |
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| 15:28.16 | catsup | flixil: but just trust me, iptables is better :) |
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| 15:29.01 | benjamindees | the installer seems to have locked up at 'detecting network hardware', which is bad since it worked three days ago... |
| 15:29.16 | flixil | catsup: for the vpn configuration I got this information http://paste2.org/p/422461 http://paste2.org/p/422463 |
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| 15:29.38 | flixil | It's google translated directly from the chinese paper so some lines are there twice |
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| 15:29.49 | catsup | oh! |
| 15:29.59 | sandman1 | Okay, "ip link" returns 4 devices |
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| 15:30.04 | sandman1 | Actually, 5 |
| 15:30.07 | catsup | flixil: that's much better than socks |
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| 15:30.17 | sandman1 | lo, eth0, wmaster0, wlan0, and eth1 |
| 15:30.19 | flixil | catsup: but I failed to get ppp0 up |
| 15:30.31 | flixil | I didn't got that interface |
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| 15:30.57 | sandman1 | lo says it's link/loopback, eth0 is link/ether, wmaster0 is ieee802.11, wlan0 is link/ether again, and eth1 is ieee1394 (firewire) |
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| 15:31.17 | sandman1 | What I cannot figure out is why wlan0 (wireless networking?) is listed as ethernet |
| 15:31.30 | sandman1 | Whereas wmaster0 (whatever that is), is listed as a wireless protocol (802.11) |
| 15:31.35 | catsup | flixil: well you know these instructions are for some rpm-based distro |
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| 15:32.29 | flixil | catsup: well... I found the xl2tpd deb and I saw that the package they tell you to wget got nothing but examples... not real configuration on it already done.... |
| 15:32.32 | dkay | hello, can someone tell me how to edit the debian config, that an KILL signal will send to existent shell connections so that they cloose automatically when the OS is rebooting or shutting down? |
| 15:32.45 | dkay | someone able to explain? I AM PLEASE :) |
| 15:32.53 | flixil | That's why they tell you what to put, so I was hopping to get it working nevertheless |
| 15:33.18 | sandman1 | Can someone help me configure a device using ip |
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| 15:33.33 | sandman1 | I need to set it up to use a particular essid, a key, and then I need to run dhclient on it |
| 15:33.40 | catsup | dkay: it does that already |
| 15:34.21 | flixil | dkay: imho KILL cannot be reconfigured on any application, so should always kill... other SIGNALS can be trapped on the apps so that they change their behaviour |
| 15:34.26 | dkay | yes, no, not really |
| 15:34.51 | dkay | yes debian does it but not really! |
| 15:35.01 | catsup | um just to clarify |
| 15:35.02 | dkay | how can i explain! |
| 15:35.25 | catsup | debian will send a SIGKILL to every process on shutdown, and flixil is right, that applications cannot ever trap SIGKILL on unix |
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| 15:35.39 | flixil | sandman1: I might help you, try ifconfig wlan0 up; wlanconfig |
| 15:36.15 | flixil | Do you see your interface listed there? |
| 15:36.15 | catsup | flixil: so what went wrong with this l2tp ? |
| 15:36.29 | dkay | no it doenst |
| 15:36.35 | flixil | catsup: I don't have ppp0, nor on /dev (I don't think I should), nor on ifconfig -a |
| 15:36.40 | DeSian | what is mean with this message by connecting to SSH "Enter passphrase for key 'root':" |
| 15:36.41 | sandman1 | flixil: There is no ifconfig, and no wlanconfig |
| 15:36.46 | sandman1 | This is the debian bootcd |
| 15:36.50 | sandman1 | only command available is "ip" |
| 15:36.58 | catsup | flixil: that device should be created by the pppd which is launched by l2tp... |
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| 15:37.15 | flixil | DeSian: it means that you need to enter the passphrase that protects your secret key in order to tell the system you are connecting that you are YOU |
| 15:37.18 | catsup | flixil: are you sure l2tp is running? does it have error logs? |
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| 15:37.58 | DeSian | passphrase key isn't the SSH password right? |
| 15:38.04 | dkay | someone with kill and stop signals expierience pls pm me. |
| 15:38.08 | flixil | catsup: mind if I reboot and come here again? |
| 15:38.16 | catsup | flixil: sure no problem |
| 15:38.22 | flixil | DeSian: you can use ssh on multiples ways |
| 15:38.44 | catsup | DeSian: it's the password that will decrypt the secret key that is in your home directory, in /root/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 15:38.58 | DeSian | catsup, ok thnx |
| 15:39.00 | flixil | oh my... only ip?? I got no idea about how to do those things without my tools |
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| 15:40.12 | DeSian | catsup, if i give key doesn't accept it. |
| 15:40.42 | catsup | DeSian: are you sure that the key is authorized? |
| 15:41.09 | catsup | on the remote server |
| 15:41.16 | DeSian | no, how can i authorized it? |
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| 15:41.33 | catsup | you need to add your public key to the server's list of authorized keys |
| 15:41.45 | catsup | do you have a password on that server? |
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| 15:41.57 | catsup | um |
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| 15:42.21 | catsup | you're not entering the wrong password though are you? |
| 15:42.38 | DeSian | catsup, yes, but it was never with this message simpley ssh -i root IP and OK |
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| 15:42.48 | macaruchi | Hi! |
| 15:42.58 | huwenfeng | HI,what? |
| 15:43.05 | macaruchi | Somebody can help to config a sudo |
| 15:43.20 | huwenfeng | just 'man sudo' and find what you want |
| 15:43.32 | macaruchi | I have a sudo for shutdown server but always I get must be superuser |
| 15:43.36 | macaruchi | i read |
| 15:43.41 | macaruchi | but i dont understan |
| 15:43.43 | macaruchi | postgres ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/halt,/sbin/shutdown |
| 15:43.47 | catsup | DeSian: why are you using a key file named 'root', that seems like a bad idea... but nevermind that |
| 15:43.55 | macaruchi | this is the line that I did |
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| 15:44.12 | benjamindees | sandman1: 'netcfg' perhaps? |
| 15:44.22 | sandman1 | AR242x chipset Found in the Acer eMachines D620 laptop, among others. This suffers from a "noise floor calibration timeout" bug, which means the wireless may not function after installing Lenny. The bug is fixed since kernel 2.6.28.1. |
| 15:44.25 | sandman1 | Sonofabitch. |
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| 15:44.29 | sandman1 | That's precisely the chip I have |
| 15:44.30 | DeSian | catsup, that is not my problem now, my problem it was never so! and i create never publickey for SSH |
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| 15:44.56 | flixil | catsup: Ok, I'm on the linux box using irc though firefox now :) What was you telling me? |
| 15:45.29 | catsup | DeSian: i'm having trouble understanding you |
| 15:45.33 | dkay | i cant hear you is to loud here at port 22 |
| 15:45.44 | dkay | to much traffic xd |
| 15:45.48 | catsup | flixil: well can you make sure that xl2tpd is running |
| 15:45.57 | sandman1 | Looks like I'll be using Debian Squeeze or whatever the distro is calle dnow |
| 15:45.58 | macaruchi | visudo compile fine this line but when i try to use it i get "must be a superuser |
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| 15:46.27 | catsup | DeSian: can you paste the exact error message you are getting? |
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| 15:47.09 | catsup | macaruchi: what line? |
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| 15:47.21 | catsup | macaruchi: oh i see, postgres |
| 15:47.35 | flixil_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.46 | catsup | macaruchi: your username is not 'postgres' is it? |
| 15:48.09 | catsup | flixil: is pppd running? |
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| 15:48.13 | DeSian | catsup, http://paste.debian.net/46374/ |
| 15:48.14 | flixil_ | catsup: no, it isn't |
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| 15:48.26 | catsup | flixil_: check xl2tpd logs |
| 15:48.29 | macaruchi | catsup:I did it!! I didnt put sudo before the commando |
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| 15:48.39 | macaruchi | :( what stupid!! |
| 15:48.49 | flixil_ | catsup: in order to do so I need to put the debug options on the config files I guess? |
| 15:48.50 | macaruchi | uh...maybe I must sleep |
| 15:48.54 | catsup | DeSian: there is no error there |
| 15:49.14 | DeSian | but if i give pass dont accept it |
| 15:49.21 | catsup | macaruchi: haha well there you go =D |
| 15:49.34 | catsup | DeSian: oh |
| 15:49.49 | catsup | DeSian: what does it say though, paste whole thing, with the error after you type it |
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| 15:50.14 | DeSian | nothing just again with the last line |
| 15:50.31 | flixil_ | I put ppp debug=yes on /etc/xl2tpd/xl2tpd.conf but I don't see any log on /var/log |
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| 15:51.07 | doubleclick | can hdd spin down work with ext3 since it's a journaling fs? |
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| 15:52.03 | catsup | doubleclick: not really very effectively, maybe if you set the commit= option to something real high |
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| 15:52.46 | catsup | flixil_: you did restart it right? |
| 15:53.00 | flixil_ | catsup: yes sure :P |
| 15:53.08 | catsup | =D |
| 15:53.19 | catsup | well i don't know xl2tpd at all... |
| 15:53.24 | flixil_ | I'm sleepy but not that all yet :P |
| 15:53.34 | flixil_ | catsup: neither do I |
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| 15:54.27 | flixil_ | But I need to do ssh outside so maybe I won't be able though the proxy but I know I can do it though the vpn |
| 15:54.28 | doubleclick | catsup: it's a raid 1 (2xHDD) used for data only, teh system runs of another drive.. |
| 15:54.40 | doubleclick | catsup: does that make any diference? |
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| 15:55.43 | catsup | doubleclick: yes |
| 15:56.20 | catsup | doubleclick: well there is nothing that prevents the disk from spinning down if you use hdparm or sdparm, if you don't use it, it will stay spun down |
| 15:56.34 | catsup | if you use it, it will spin back up |
| 15:56.50 | doubleclick | ok, i'll try.. |
| 15:56.50 | benjamindees | I notice the Squeeze installer doesn't include the b43 and b43legacy wireless broadcom drivers. |
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| 15:57.36 | benjamindees | Is this intentional? Is there a policy with regards to these (reverse-engineered) drivers that require firmware? |
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| 15:58.00 | catsup | flixil_: i was just looking in the man page, i see there are five different debug options for syslog |
| 15:58.26 | abrotman | benjamindees: debian.org/vote .. they've discussed this before |
| 15:58.32 | catsup | flixil_: not just the ppp debug |
| 15:59.08 | sandman1 | Anyone else have trouble installing debian stable in a virtualbox? |
| 15:59.16 | catsup | benjamindees: nonfree firmware is nonfree |
| 15:59.32 | sandman1 | For some reason when I try to do it, virtualbox.exe spikes to 100% CPU utilization at about 80% complete on the install |
| 15:59.51 | sandman1 | And it'll just sit there for ages. |
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| 16:00.18 | benjamindees | abrotman: thx |
| 16:00.58 | catsup | lol @ virtualbox.exe |
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| 16:02.05 | flixil_ | catsup: well... right now I was trying to get aptitude work on my box though the proxy to update the packages so that I know it's not a problem about it |
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| 16:02.54 | flixil_ | but export http_proxy="http://zjupry6.zju.edu.cn:6666"; aptitude update doesn't work because the proxy requires autentication |
| 16:03.03 | catsup | well that won't work anyway right |
| 16:03.09 | catsup | because that is a socks proxy not http |
| 16:03.28 | catsup | flixil_: you can just install tsocks and configure that for that proxy, and run 'tsocks aptitude' |
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| 16:04.04 | flixil_ | catsup: it's squid I think |
| 16:04.13 | catsup | um |
| 16:04.18 | catsup | i thuoght you said it was socks |
| 16:05.02 | catsup | 11:16 <flixil> I catsup well... I put the ip and port, and I chosed use this server for all ports... and it's marked socks v5 |
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| 16:06.55 | flixil_ | catsup: well... I'm really sorry... It's marked in but it's just... grey... you know... I marked use it for all ports... so socks isn't really marked |
| 16:07.03 | catsup | oh |
| 16:07.24 | flixil_ | mmm... Yeah sorry... I had been not clear at all about that |
| 16:08.19 | catsup | flixil_: well then maybe the syntax http://user:password@zjupry6.zju.edu.cn:6666 would get you authenticated |
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| 16:09.04 | inji | hello, I would to upgrade to lenny (from etch), but I've got a problem when I do "aptitude update", it says "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available", see: http://pastebin.ca/1563265 |
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| 16:10.04 | flixil_ | catsup: yes, you are great. So now I'll eliminate the possibility of a bug on those programs (fast to do). And then start debugging the config file or xl2tpd with all the debug options |
| 16:10.34 | benjamindees | Okay I have looked at most of the proposals and I don't think this particular driver is covered by any of them. In this case the driver is free but requires closed firmware to operate. This is similar to the (supported) Intel Pro/Wireless drivers. |
| 16:10.55 | catsup | flixil_: :) |
| 16:11.07 | abrotman | benjamindees: and the firmware for those are not in the kernels either |
| 16:11.35 | benjamindees | abrotman: I'm not asking for firmware. The *driver* isn't even included in the installer. |
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| 16:11.56 | abrotman | benjamindees: oh, i think it's been superceded ? |
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| 16:12.45 | benjamindees | bcm43xx was replaced with b43 and b43legacy. I don't see any of them in the d-i kernel. |
| 16:13.03 | abrotman | benjamindees: do you have a PCIID ? |
| 16:13.10 | doubleclick | catsup: it worked! but.. :) |
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| 16:13.29 | benjamindees | bcm4303 14e4:4301 |
| 16:13.41 | abrotman | judd: pciid 14e4:4301 |
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| 16:13.43 | doubleclick | the third time only one disk "woke up" |
| 16:13.43 | judd | abrotman: [14e4:4301] is 'BCM4303 802.11b Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4301 |
| 16:13.43 | flixil | catsup: Ok... I put all the debug options and still no debugging |
| 16:13.51 | abrotman | benjamindees: see .. 'ssb' |
| 16:13.54 | benjamindees | hmm |
| 16:14.36 | catsup | flixil: did you just check 'syslog'? maybe they're in another log file |
| 16:15.41 | benjamindees | abrotman: I believe 'ssb' is a peripheral component that is common to both the b43 wireless and b44 ethernet cards. |
| 16:15.45 | sylar | how do I make sensors-applet work? |
| 16:15.54 | flixil | catsup: I checked if a new file appeared on /var/log, output of dmesg and cat /var/log/syslog |
| 16:16.01 | sylar | on one computer it just worked, on the other it just didnt |
| 16:16.12 | abrotman | benjamindees: maybe check the wiki ? |
| 16:16.28 | benjamindees | "The Sonics Silicon Backplane is a mini-bus used on various Broadcom chips and embedded devices." |
| 16:16.39 | catsup | flixil: maybe it's in /var/log/daemon.log or something |
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| 16:16.52 | catsup | flixil: or /var/log/debug |
| 16:16.54 | benjamindees | the 'ssb' module is included but it's not the wireless driver |
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| 16:17.21 | themill | From the wiki "The PCI-Id isn't sufficient to determine the Broadcom chipset within." |
| 16:17.32 | themill | glares at broadcom |
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| 16:18.12 | gigo | hi |
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| 16:18.29 | gigo | I want to transfer some files from my phone (bluetooth enabled) to my laptop. what package do I need to install? |
| 16:19.03 | flixil | catsup: :( No luck |
| 16:19.19 | benjamindees | what I'm saying is, this device works with the driver and firmware, but the driver is not included in the installer |
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| 16:20.17 | benjamindees | an it'd be a shame to waste all that effort done to reverse engineer the driver and subvert broadcom's revenue model |
| 16:21.33 | flixil | benjamindees: I think that you are not allowed to distribute the firmware |
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| 16:21.52 | benjamindees | flixil: probably, but I haven't done so |
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| 16:22.55 | flixil | I mean that you cannot put the firmware on the installer |
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| 16:23.15 | benjamindees | flixil: that's fine. the firmware is completely separate from the driver. |
| 16:24.06 | benjamindees | I just want the driver put on the installer alongside the other wireless drivers that require binary firmware. |
| 16:24.32 | cantoma | is it possible to ask gvim for not breaking the line? |
| 16:25.03 | flixil | benjamindees: I don't understand you... The driver is already on the debian kernel, you just need the firmware from b43-fwcutter |
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| 16:25.14 | benjamindees | flixil: the driver is not in the installer |
| 16:25.41 | flixil | benjamindees: you mean that the wifi cannot be picked up out of the box? |
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| 16:26.23 | benjamindees | flixil: I mean the driver is not in the kernel used by the debian installer -- the wireless card cannot be used for install unlike similar cards |
| 16:26.55 | themill | benjamindees: file a bug against the installer. Nothing you say here is going to change the situation (there probably aren't any d-i developers even in the channel) |
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| 16:27.22 | flixil | Oh, I get you... but if the firmware cannot be redistributed and the normal installation of it requires internet, I don't see how you can just get it to use the wifi right away |
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| 16:28.00 | flixil | Oh probably I didn't get you, and no, I'm not a developer, so themill is right |
| 16:28.24 | benjamindees | flixil: the installer supports loading firmware from floppies/flash media |
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| 16:28.29 | muddd | I'm trying to install xmms and whilst doing ./configure I get this http://pastebin.org/17427 |
| 16:28.40 | muddd | as far as I know I do have it though |
| 16:28.59 | flixil | catsup: thanks a lot for your help. I'm gonna sleep and keep trying tomorrow :) |
| 16:29.09 | justin | muddd: why are you compiling xmms? |
| 16:29.19 | muddd | its not in the repositories |
| 16:29.29 | catsup | np flixil, good luck |
| 16:29.31 | Wyzard | That's because it's obsolete |
| 16:29.43 | flixil | bmps was the new one? |
| 16:29.45 | muddd | is there a similar program to it? |
| 16:29.48 | Wyzard | Try audacious instead; it's pretty similar |
| 16:29.49 | muddd | i really liked it |
| 16:29.55 | muddd | ok i'll try that thx |
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| 16:30.04 | justin | !+info xmms2 |
| 16:30.06 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 16:30.34 | muddd | i'm just trying to listen to streaming audio from the internet, shoutcast playlists n stuff |
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| 16:30.46 | dpkg | xmms2: (Client/server based media player system), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6DrMattDestruction-4 (sid), Packaged size: 73 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 16:30.51 | muddd | mplayer can't do that can it? |
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| 16:33.24 | benjamindees | muddd, I *think* xine can but xmms is a better option |
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| 16:34.30 | catsup | muddd: yeah it can |
| 16:34.33 | catsup | mplayer can |
| 16:34.48 | Wyzard | quodlibet is a nice audio player, and can do streaming |
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| 16:35.31 | muddd | when i try to open the link using gmplayer it doesnt actually open it and start playing |
| 16:36.11 | justin | mplayer works fine for that stuff, but it doesnt have thebest playlist parsing |
| 16:36.12 | sandman1 | So yeah. I installed Debian Lenny in a virtualbox on another machine, because it wouldn't install into a virtualbox on this machine (it kept locking the machine up; other distros work fine, windows works fine as a guest, but Debian would just lock up the machine. I'd have to kill the process in order to regain use of the system) |
| 16:36.20 | justin | usually doing mplayer -playlist foo.pls will work |
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| 16:36.33 | justin | sometimes you just have to grab the http url out of the file and feed that to mplayer |
| 16:36.37 | sandman1 | So yeah. Couldn't install because of that. So I installed it in a vbox on another machine, then moved the vdi file over, and started from there. |
| 16:37.02 | sandman1 | I ran aptitude and tried to install a bunch of desktop packages. Once again, while downloading, the CPU utilization of the process shot up to 100% eventually, and locked up the system again. |
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| 16:37.15 | muddd | that does work. before i hosed my iceweasel though it used to do it automagically, but no problem I can live wit it |
| 16:37.15 | sandman1 | Anyone know why this is |
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| 16:41.38 | benjamindees | sandman1: what is the host OS? |
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| 16:49.39 | xeon-enouf | sandman1: try nicing the process (no idea what the underlying issue is, unless maybe Virtual-Iface related?) |
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| 16:57.15 | JeanLandim | Hi folks... |
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| 17:01.05 | DeSian | installed package with dpkg -i but isn't uninstallable with aptitude purge * ? |
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| 17:04.04 | netherworld | How can I burn a Windows image to a flash drive? |
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| 17:05.01 | netherworld | dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=1M ? |
| 17:05.03 | DeSian | netherworld, join #windows |
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| 17:05.15 | netherworld | DeSian: but I'm using Debian. |
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| 17:06.16 | jelly-home | netherworld: what sort of an image? |
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| 17:06.20 | netherworld | iso |
| 17:06.32 | netherworld | jelly-home: iso |
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| 17:07.14 | jelly-home | your machine's bios may or may not have support for cdrom emulation if you just dump an .iso onto a flash drive |
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| 17:07.19 | xeon-enouf | DeSian: ? |
| 17:07.29 | xeon-enouf | DeSian: as per your issue |
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| 17:07.44 | netherworld | jelly-home: what if it does not? |
| 17:07.48 | Open | I can't do a full screen with iceweasel? (with f11)? |
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| 17:07.52 | DeSian | xeon-enouf, what? |
| 17:07.56 | xeon-enouf | you'll need a x86 bootsector as well |
| 17:07.59 | jelly-home | netherworld: then you won't be able to boot it |
| 17:08.04 | Open | is it that I really can't with iceweasel, or is something buggy with my things? |
| 17:08.05 | xeon-enouf | 16:53 < DeSian> installed package with dpkg -i but isn't uninstallable with aptitude purge * ? |
| 17:08.54 | xeon-enouf | Open: f11 does FS in iceweasel for me |
| 17:09.02 | DeSian | Open, F11? |
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| 17:09.08 | xeon-enouf | Open: i'm on 3.5.2 or something though |
| 17:09.13 | netherworld | jelly-home: and how do I dump the .iso to a flash drive making it boot? The dd command I gave will do? |
| 17:09.28 | xeon-enouf | Open: check keybinding? xmodmap -pke |
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| 17:09.57 | jelly-home | netherworld: yes. bs=32k would be enough, but it shouldn't really matter |
| 17:10.03 | DeSian | xeon-enouf, i'm still looking for answer |
| 17:10.04 | netherworld | Thanks. |
| 17:10.11 | xeon-enouf | keycode 95 = F11 XF86_Switch_VT_11 F11 XF86_Switch_VT_11 F11 XF86_Switch_VT_11 |
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| 17:10.19 | xeon-enouf | hrm |
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| 17:10.38 | xeon-enouf | DeSian: but i don't understand the question |
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| 17:10.57 | DeSian | xeon-enouf, skype is installed and can't remove it with aptitude |
| 17:11.23 | xeon-enouf | DeSian: does sptitude know about it? try dpkg -P if not |
| 17:11.44 | DeSian | xeon-enouf, found it "dpkg -r skype" thnx |
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| 17:12.20 | diabel- | Hi, how to change the standard CXX and C flags in apt-get -b source? |
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| 17:12.38 | xeon-enouf | benjamindees: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 17:12.41 | xeon-enouf | bah |
| 17:12.46 | xeon-enouf | diabel-: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 17:12.52 | Gurpartap | I'm looking for a tool to repackage a customized version of my debian. Any recommendations? |
| 17:13.02 | Gurpartap | Something like remastersys for ubuntu etc |
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| 17:13.22 | xeon-enouf | Gurpartap: dh_make ; /msg dpkg package basics and see debian/rules too |
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| 17:13.35 | Gurpartap | hmm |
| 17:13.44 | Gurpartap | Are you sure that's my answer? |
| 17:13.45 | xeon-enouf | Gurpartap: /msg dpkg nmg (as well) |
| 17:13.59 | Gurpartap | Repackage a distro and not a package? |
| 17:14.06 | xeon-enouf | Gurpartap: i don't know what remastersys is / does |
| 17:14.19 | xeon-enouf | oh - then - /msg dpkg cdd |
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| 17:14.34 | Gurpartap | Well, it's like install debian, make your changes, and create an image/iso of your installed OS |
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| 17:14.47 | xeon-enouf | and checkout bootcd pkg, and maybe #debian-live |
| 17:14.56 | Gurpartap | so it's easier for me to make a customized distro once and install it over all computers in our dept's lab |
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| 17:15.11 | Gurpartap | I'm not interested in live cd, unless it's going to help me :) |
| 17:15.15 | xeon-enouf | that's nice, and not debian, so not supported here ;-) |
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| 17:15.29 | Gurpartap | what? |
| 17:15.36 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 17:15.52 | Gurpartap | what's not supported and what's not debian? |
| 17:15.52 | Gurpartap | :p |
| 17:15.52 | DeSian | Gurpartap, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20 |
| 17:15.57 | Gurpartap | Thanks DeSian |
| 17:16.00 | xeon-enouf | "make a customized distro" != Debian |
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| 17:16.13 | xeon-enouf | linux-live.org |
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| 17:16.36 | Gurpartap | "make a customized debian" == Debian |
| 17:16.42 | DeSian | but be careful with debian rules is very very strong |
| 17:16.49 | DeSian | no == Ubuntu :D |
| 17:16.57 | DeSian | or SIDUX |
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| 17:17.02 | xeon-enouf | !based on debian |
| 17:17.02 | Gurpartap | i never said I want Ubuntu ;) |
| 17:17.02 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 17:17.18 | rektide | what do i need to install to get man pages for ioctl ? |
| 17:17.23 | DeSian | Gurpartap, read it ^^ |
| 17:17.25 | Gurpartap | My distro doesn't exist yet. :P |
| 17:17.25 | xeon-enouf | rektide: manpages-dev |
| 17:17.30 | rektide | word, thanks |
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| 17:17.42 | xeon-enouf | Gurpartap: vaporware, fo' sho' :-P |
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| 17:18.00 | Gurpartap | :P |
| 17:18.21 | xeon-enouf | ihope you choose a better name than your nick O_o |
| 17:18.29 | Gurpartap | lol it'll still be deb |
| 17:18.45 | Gurpartap | i just want some packages to be preinstalled. thats it |
| 17:18.46 | xeon-enouf | deb-*BASED*! at best |
| 17:18.58 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 17:18.59 | DeSian | rektide, for next time use file to finde somthing like that |
| 17:19.01 | xeon-enouf | !preseed |
| 17:19.01 | dpkg | preseed is probably a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the installation process, without having to manually enter the answers while the installation is running. |
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| 17:19.11 | xeon-enouf | !fai |
| 17:19.11 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 17:19.25 | Gurpartap | umm |
| 17:19.36 | DeSian | xeon-enouf, let him see it in his query not in public channel :) |
| 17:19.44 | xeon-enouf | heh |
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| 17:20.08 | xeon-enouf | yeah, ok .. most times i do |
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| 17:20.22 | Gurpartap | I'm enroute |
| 17:20.24 | Gurpartap | Thanks |
| 17:20.24 | Gurpartap | :) |
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| 17:21.16 | xeon-enouf | DeSian: i'm always aware that others _read_ and watch and follow along and perhaps learn/investigate if interested - that's why _sometimes_ i do it _in_channel_ |
| 17:21.32 | brutus | how do I compile and run objective C ? |
| 17:21.38 | Gurpartap | brutus, gcc |
| 17:21.39 | xeon-enouf | um |
| 17:21.49 | xeon-enouf | g++ ; install build-essential |
| 17:21.55 | Gurpartap | brutus, ObjC compiler is already there |
| 17:22.07 | Gurpartap | in GNU C Compiler. |
| 17:22.15 | DeSian | xeon-enouf, i know you , you are one of the best supporter her |
| 17:22.31 | brutus | Gurpartap, thanks, lemme try |
| 17:22.36 | xeon-enouf | DeSian: thanks for the kind words (wasn't looking for props) |
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| 17:23.27 | Gurpartap | brutus: But if you're wanting to continue with "Interface" development, you'll probably need a mac. Since mostly that's what ObjC is used for in 99% cases. |
| 17:23.36 | brutus | Gurpartap, I get gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1obj': execvp: No such file or directory ; when trying to compile the file |
| 17:23.36 | oxi | I'm trying to create my first .deb package which should add a jar file to /usr/share/java |
| 17:23.53 | oxi | The resulting .deb file doesn't contain the .jar file |
| 17:23.59 | brutus | Gurpartap, as in, 'gcc file.m' |
| 17:24.03 | oxi | what could I be doing wrong? |
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| 17:24.08 | LordVorp | can somebody please remind me command names for dealing with shared memory segments, and semaphores? cuz I have to clear some now and i'm feeling really blond... |
| 17:24.16 | xeon-enouf | Gurpartap: used to be a pkgs called systemimg-* IIRC, that was useful for creating one image, and deploying on many others of the same hardware |
| 17:24.21 | DeSian | Gurpartap, by compiling use "apt-get build-dep PACKAGE* is nice option under debian based distribution |
| 17:24.37 | xeon-enouf | er systemimager or something - see p.d.o |
| 17:24.49 | Gurpartap | brutus, http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gcc+objective+c&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 17:24.59 | Gurpartap | Some interesting info in first few |
| 17:25.01 | Gurpartap | results. |
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| 17:25.33 | xeon-enouf | LordVorp: see er ##c or ##kernel ? |
| 17:25.33 | Gurpartap | xeon-enouf, DeSian, Hmm, isn't FAI what I need? |
| 17:25.47 | xeon-enouf | Gurpartap: depends |
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| 17:26.14 | xeon-enouf | Gurpartap: i'm not too familiar with it - so ... |
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| 17:26.38 | Gurpartap | It's ok. You're still helpful. |
| 17:26.38 | simonrvn | LordVorp: ipc* |
| 17:27.22 | xeon-enouf | requires more russian, or swedish vodka |
| 17:27.28 | Gurpartap | lol |
| 17:27.58 | benjamindees | !vodka xeon-enouf |
| 17:27.58 | dpkg | draws off a shot of Stolichnaya for xeon-enouf |
| 17:28.23 | xeon-enouf | cheers!! |
| 17:28.34 | xeon-enouf | (perfect) |
| 17:28.34 | Gurpartap | DeSian: nice idea! |
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| 17:31.56 | brutus | Gurpartap, hmm...I tried the -c switch too...get a bunch of warnings and errors which aren't supposed to appear....looking into gobjc |
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| 17:32.43 | Gurpartap | umm, i compiled is back some time with gcc. that was a mac though. brutus, i bet you'll find quicker answer in #objc |
| 17:32.49 | Gurpartap | it* |
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| 17:35.09 | brutus | Gurpartap, ok, thanks! |
| 17:35.20 | Gurpartap | brutus: as i know, you don't need any extra flag for objective c. |
| 17:35.37 | Gurpartap | it's just normal compile command and the execution |
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| 17:36.30 | brutus | Gurpartap, maybe something wrong with the source then...I have no experience with Objective C....I have to run someone else's code and test it |
| 17:36.44 | ingenito_O | is there someone that knows about PelicanHPC? |
| 17:36.56 | Gurpartap | brutus, i'm in #objc. |
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| 17:39.35 | dsdeiz | hello, uhm, how do i verify if the debian installer i got is correct? |
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| 17:40.21 | NoCode | Debian works via LiveUSB right? |
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| 17:40.47 | lupo1 | ciao |
| 17:41.16 | lupo1 | !list |
| 17:41.17 | dpkg | lupo1: VATTENE VIA |
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| 17:41.54 | benjamindees | dsdeiz: check the md5sum of the iso and install media; boot it and verify the media from the installer |
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| 17:42.29 | NoCode | I guess I'll find out |
| 17:42.41 | LordVorp | simonrvn: thank you that was what I needed |
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| 17:44.02 | dsdeiz | oh, i was actually thinking of verifying if the debian iso i've downloaded is the correct one or if the file isn't finished yet |
| 17:44.56 | Ezep | Test the checksum |
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| 17:46.18 | themill | !check iso image |
| 17:46.18 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror. |
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| 17:47.47 | dsdeiz | themill: no, no, no. uhm, i wanted to know if the file i've downloaded is correctly downloaded. is there like a list of the 'checksum' of the iso file in the site? |
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| 17:48.54 | themill | Yes. In the same directory as the iso image. |
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| 17:50.07 | dsdeiz | themill: thanks ;) |
| 17:52.25 | dsdeiz | :q |
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| 17:55.47 | Zylvain | hi |
| 17:56.24 | Zylvain | i have a pb with xscreensaver, it displays warning messages in the fb, messing up the screensaver rendering |
| 17:56.46 | djshotglass | http://pastie.org/614761 i have gone over this twice (its my preseed.cfg) does it look like debian will install without needing any input? none of my keyboards work during installer |
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| 17:56.54 | djshotglass | havent had a ps2 keyboard since the 90's |
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| 17:57.12 | Zylvain | does any know how to prevent warning messages to appear into the xscreensaver fb, but in console only ? |
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| 17:58.59 | djshotglass | # Suite to install. |
| 17:58.59 | djshotglass | #d-i mirror/suite string testing |
| 17:59.10 | djshotglass | what shoulud that be set to (im installing ubuntu-sever) |
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| 18:00.29 | benjamindees | something tells me debian won't be installed if you try to install ubuntu-server |
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| 18:22.28 | unixSnob | is it important that I bind /home in a chrooted sid32 environment? |
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| 18:22.41 | unixSnob | I think I would prefer to have a separate /home |
| 18:23.04 | NoCode | Where can I can the iwlwiki-3945-1.ucode driver? |
| 18:23.23 | NoCode | iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode* |
| 18:23.52 | unixSnob | hmm.. just read that I don't need to mount anything with schroot |
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| 18:25.42 | unixSnob | nevermind.. question stands. turns out schroot will only mount what it's configured to mount |
| 18:26.04 | rudi_s_ | Hi. I got some connection attempts from root to 78.46.213.165:80 (alius.ayous.org). Is this some debian specific program or should I worry. |
| 18:26.26 | wildc4rd_ | evening all |
| 18:26.46 | unixSnob | rudi_s_: that's an FBI host |
| 18:26.59 | unixSnob | j/k |
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| 18:27.24 | rudi_s_ | unixSnob: Hehe .. |
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| 18:29.14 | xand | rudi_s_: got them how? |
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| 18:30.25 | rudi_s_ | xand: I mean I saw the SYN packet in my log before it got dropped. I'm just curious what it is. |
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| 18:31.06 | unixSnob | if I change /etc/fstab, how do I re-read that file to make mount points work? |
| 18:31.13 | unixSnob | (w/out rebooting) |
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| 18:32.07 | xand | unixSnob: mount -a will mount everything that would be mounted on boot |
| 18:32.28 | unixSnob | okay, thanks |
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| 18:38.33 | grazymax | hi all |
| 18:38.36 | unixSnob | actually, my question wasn't right.. turns out fstab is effective immediately, and my mount points were not working simply because I had the folder names wrong |
| 18:38.36 | unixSnob | once I fixed the folder names in fstab, I was able to use 'mount' on each mountpoint |
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| 18:38.45 | unixSnob | it also turns out the whole point is moot, because schroot really does take care of that for me |
| 18:39.54 | xand | fstab doesn't do anything except contain information for "mount" |
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| 18:43.59 | lxsameer | i try to install the ati fglrx driver from deb file with dpkg but i get this error http://pastebin.com/m9e89f90 can any one help me ? |
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| 18:44.33 | alexxio | lo |
| 18:44.49 | alexxio | i'm working on a remote server via ssh |
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| 18:45.25 | alexxio | i'm wondering how to set it up for viewing the current X session with vncserver and attach me to that |
| 18:45.43 | xand | !vnc |
| 18:45.43 | dpkg | hmm... vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about <x-not-vnc>. Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc, "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Also ask about <vnc setup>. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
| 18:46.11 | quentusrex | If I want to have deb packages built nightly for a package, and I want the svn revision to be in the name, would this be a good naming convention: foo-1.0.4~15643 ? |
| 18:46.30 | quentusrex | 1.04 being the last tagged release, and the svn revision incrementing for each nightly? |
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| 18:48.29 | gasull | Hi. How do I disable sshd in my system? Thanks |
| 18:48.39 | alexxio | yes i use vncviewer but actually i need istructions for attaching to an existing window (from a windows client)...if i attach the way is configured now, i need to start a new Xsession |
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| 18:51.54 | xand | gasull: temporarily or permanently? |
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| 18:52.22 | gasull | xand: I want it to be there but disabled in every bootup |
| 18:52.27 | xand | um |
| 18:52.45 | gasull | xand: I might start it manually if I need |
| 18:52.50 | xand | dunno what the cleanest way of doing that is |
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| 18:55.10 | jmarsden | gasull: sudo rcconf --off ssh # is probably the simplest way to do that. |
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| 18:55.38 | jmarsden | ah, su... if you don't have sudo set up :) |
| 18:55.47 | gasull | xand: I think I found it here: http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/pub/uvt-unix-doc/ssh-harden.txt |
| 18:56.07 | gasull | jmarsden: do you mean dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 18:59.01 | jmarsden | gasull: No, that is something else. Ah, the Debian version of rcconf doesn't seem to have --off... so just su and then run rcconf (from a root shell) and turn ssh off that way. aptitude install rcconf if you don't have it already |
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| 19:08.37 | Saz|Laptop | I'm trying to build a 32 bit version of mplayer on my 64 bit system, I get to the end of the compile and get: |
| 19:08.37 | Saz|Laptop | dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libungif.so.4 (used by debian/mplayer/usr/bin/mplayer). |
| 19:08.43 | Saz|Laptop | and I don't get a deb file created |
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| 19:10.56 | muddd | when i reboot i have to manually do modprobe vboxdrv, how do i automate it? |
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| 19:11.34 | belak | Alright, how do you update to testing? |
| 19:11.39 | jmarsden | muddd: Add that command to /etc/rc.local |
| 19:12.02 | muddd | ty |
| 19:12.02 | belak | I tried and it held back the kde packages, effectively screqing my system |
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| 19:13.23 | themill | muddd: stick the module name in /etc/modules |
| 19:14.30 | gasull | jmarsden: thx. I'll reboot to see if it works |
| 19:14.33 | muddd | ah ty |
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| 19:15.18 | jmarsden | belak: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1.11 and do a dist-upgrade after editing your sources.list, not just an upgrade. |
| 19:15.54 | themill | does the "IYHTAYS" dance |
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| 19:16.35 | nsadmin | if you have to ask you suck? |
| 19:17.27 | themill | close. |
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| 19:18.52 | iluminator101 | how do i force eject my cd rom, when i press the button it does not eject |
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| 19:19.09 | \amethyst | iluminator101: eject /dev/cdrom |
| 19:19.18 | muddd | paperclip in the little hole on the front? |
| 19:19.30 | \amethyst | iluminator101: which will unmount it first, if necessary |
| 19:19.36 | iluminator101 | no luck with that |
| 19:19.42 | iluminator101 | its empty |
| 19:19.57 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: if it's empty, that should still eject it |
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| 19:20.02 | justin | iluminator101: something is using the cdrom device |
| 19:20.26 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: if it doesn't, it's most likley either 1) broken 2) not plugged in |
| 19:20.54 | iluminator101 | i burned a cd 30 minutes with k3b and pulled cd out and closed it |
| 19:21.53 | \amethyst | iluminator101: maybe the drive thinks it is already ejected? |
| 19:22.04 | \amethyst | iluminator101: does eject -T /dev/cdrom do anything (try twice) |
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| 19:22.35 | \amethyst | (-T is "close the tray if it is open, or eject if it is closed") |
| 19:22.53 | iluminator101 | eject: CD-ROM tray close command failed: Input/output error |
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| 19:23.22 | \amethyst | iluminator101: and the same message the second time? |
| 19:23.24 | nsadmin | so the drive thinks it's open |
| 19:23.36 | iluminator101 | \amethyst: yes |
| 19:23.40 | \amethyst | you might need the paperclip :) |
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| 19:26.12 | bawhaha | how do i have multiple users own the same file / folder? |
| 19:26.29 | bawhaha | i've added all these users to the same grouop w/ usermod -g groupName userName |
| 19:26.40 | bawhaha | and chown :groupName fileName |
| 19:26.42 | ianian | is there a lunix mint channel |
| 19:26.59 | themill | !mint |
| 19:26.59 | dpkg | Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not Debian and we're unable to assist. http://linuxmint.com/forum http://www.linuxmint.com/ #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org. See also <based on Debian>. |
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| 19:28.27 | hildebrandus | Which Data Acquisition Cards(pci) work best with Debian? |
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| 19:31.02 | bizzle_ | sup guys |
| 19:31.09 | bizzle_ | how many of you have gotten girlfriends |
| 19:31.13 | bizzle_ | or are you still all dating your laptops |
| 19:31.18 | azeem | bizzle_: do you have a Debian question? |
| 19:31.23 | bizzle_ | yep |
| 19:31.26 | sepult | lol |
| 19:31.45 | mavhc | his question is: can debian help me get laid |
| 19:31.49 | bizzle_ | why do debian users want to bone rms so badly |
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| 19:31.56 | hildebrandus | lol |
| 19:32.16 | muddd | rms? |
| 19:32.25 | azeem | muddd: please move on |
| 19:32.31 | muddd | moving on |
| 19:33.03 | themill | bizzle_: please understand that #debian is about helping people on a technical level. Please try to be more signal and less noise. |
| 19:33.25 | bawhaha | lol |
| 19:33.39 | hildebrandus | anyone who can help with finding the right data acquisition card to use (pci based) on debian for which free drivers are available. |
| 19:34.10 | JNSamuel | richard m stallman |
| 19:34.12 | themill | hildebrandus: you may do better emailing the debian-science email list with a question like that. |
| 19:34.28 | hildebrandus | thanks themill. |
| 19:34.35 | hildebrandus | for the tip. |
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| 19:34.59 | djshotglass | when i get to partition step of install the only drive listed is the usb stick im installing from, but bois lists a hdd |
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| 19:35.10 | djshotglass | why wouldnt installer let me select this hdd |
| 19:37.00 | azeem | djshotglass: which version of Debian? |
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| 19:37.11 | \amethyst | hildebrandus: you might look in the comedi-source package for things that aren't in the basic kernel source |
| 19:37.21 | \amethyst | s/basic kernel source/vanilla kernel/ |
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| 19:37.23 | djshotglass | 5.03 |
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| 19:39.17 | hildebrandus | \amethyst: I've already used comedi a bit. The cards I have aren't supported. Vendors are pretty bad in giving the drivers (binary or code) |
| 19:39.43 | hildebrandus | can't use linux due to this reason. :( |
| 19:39.45 | \amethyst | hildebrandus: but since you were asking which cards *are* supported, that would tell you |
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| 19:40.43 | hildebrandus | \amethyst: I've gone through that list. Unfortunately having problems when moving from one kernel version to another. some drivers work with one (say 2.4) but not others. |
| 19:41.00 | hildebrandus | \amethyst: problem getting working drivers for all cards on one particular kernel. |
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| 19:43.45 | brbrbr | warmly greet everyone |
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| 19:44.11 | elops | I am trying to build transcode trunk, ./configure ... --with-libmpeg2-prefix=./libmpeg2 (where it is) gives me configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --with-libmpeg2-prefix |
| 19:44.16 | elops | --with-libmpeg2-prefix is in INSTALL.txt, but not ./configure --help |
| 19:44.21 | elops | but I don't see anything in --help about specifying where it is |
| 19:44.51 | themill | judd versions transcode |
| 19:44.52 | judd | themill: transcode -- etch-multimedia: 2:1.0.2-0.12 lenny-multimedia: 2:1.0.7-0.0 sid-multimedia: 3:1.1.4-0.0 squeeze-multimedia: 3:1.1.4-0.0 |
| 19:45.09 | themill | elops: ^^ perhaps the dmm repository would be of assistance here. /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 19:51.05 | Tapout | I see someone suggesting ... 'strip /usr/local/bin/php-cli' ... why would you want to remove the symbols, does it make it inline instead of dynamically linked or something? |
| 19:51.32 | elops | I think this should be something like: --with-libmpeg2 --prefix=./libmpeg2 ? |
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| 19:54.06 | Pnux | hello, i want to run a command every time i turn my pc on, i tried adding it to '/etc/rc.local' but it didnt work.. where should i add it? |
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| 19:55.25 | Pnux | the command is 'alsactl restore' |
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| 19:56.22 | Petein | hi.in 2 days i ll format my pc and i want to install debian for the first time.i want to ask: will it be easy to connect to the internet and use devices as ubuntu is? |
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| 19:57.02 | Pnux | Petein: it depends on your hardware, but it was as easy as ubuntu for me |
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| 19:57.12 | hark | Pnux: just install alsa-utils |
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| 19:57.40 | Pnux | hark: i already have that one installed |
| 19:58.02 | nsadmin | it's a little different, and ubuntu has hw detection that's a little better and more up to date, but if your net hardware is supported by the kernel in the installer, it should find it early |
| 19:58.16 | Petein | Pnux im not a complete newbie, im using linux for about 3 to 4 years now. i dont want to use umount from command line. i just want a user-friendly user as ubuntu but much lighter |
| 19:58.25 | Petein | user-friendly system |
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| 19:58.55 | Petein | Pnux i ll install lxde for wm |
| 19:58.56 | hark | Pnux: then it already does it for you. see /etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
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| 19:59.50 | nsadmin | Petein: mount is for root only, if you want to mount one specific device on one specific mount point, you can put that in /etc/fstab and assert the "user" option |
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| 20:01.12 | Petein | nsadmin ubuntu does the mounting automatically, in the partition configuration when doing the install you can declare where the device should be mounted.is that in debian as well? |
| 20:01.45 | nsadmin | yes |
| 20:02.00 | Pnux | hark: i dont see anything wrong on the /etc/init.d/alsa-utils, could it be that i have more than one "stores" of the levels, and alsa-utils is restoring the one i dont want? |
| 20:02.20 | Pnux | s/levels/volume levels |
| 20:02.21 | nsadmin | if you're mounting the same device to the same place every boot, that's the typical scenario |
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| 20:02.37 | Petein | nsadmin well thank you.ill try debian and hope i ll make my job with it |
| 20:02.55 | elops | anyone available that can help me get xserver installed. I upgraded from debian etch to lenny, now my X don't load. getting errors about no vesa modules. I didn't need vesa modules in etch |
| 20:03.23 | ajavid | good afternoon! |
| 20:03.27 | nsadmin | Petein: "make my job", not sure I understand |
| 20:03.46 | Pnux | hey ajavid |
| 20:03.58 | nsadmin | ajavid: heya |
| 20:04.07 | philthno2 | Hi, I have a question regarding vobcopy: I can watch a movie with vlc or mplayer but not "vobcopy" it, vobcopy stops after some seconds. I assume this is because of a read error (maybe from the producer of the disk) and dvdrip (which is able to copy the vobs) or vlc simply can ignore that. Has somebody experienced this behaviour or knows an appropriate workaround? |
| 20:04.33 | ajavid | judd versions vobcopy |
| 20:04.33 | judd | ajavid: vobcopy -- etch: 0.5.14-2 lenny: 1.1.0-1 sid: 1.1.0-1+b1 squeeze: 1.1.0-1+b1 |
| 20:05.00 | ajavid | philthno2, you are on lenny or what? |
| 20:05.06 | nsadmin | what's a vob? |
| 20:05.24 | ajavid | dvd video file format |
| 20:05.24 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: a DVD-ROM file |
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| 20:05.42 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 20:05.45 | ajavid | you transcore regular videos to .vob file, create autio_ts and video_ts foldres on dvd, drop vobs in video_ts, and burn, and watch on tv |
| 20:05.53 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: http://www.mpucoder.com/DVD/vobov.html |
| 20:06.00 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, incorect |
| 20:06.05 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, its part of a dvdrom |
| 20:06.10 | ajavid | it is not an entire image |
| 20:06.12 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: wrong |
| 20:06.26 | philthno2 | ajavid, sorry: sid, my version is 1.1.0 |
| 20:06.28 | ajavid | if you say so. |
| 20:06.32 | nsadmin | ohstop :P and thanks for the small dev. |
| 20:06.35 | xeon-enouf | i never said it's "an entire image" |
| 20:06.36 | ajavid | I don't suport sid!, check the bts. |
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| 20:06.57 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, yes you did, you just called me and told me and then hung up. |
| 20:06.58 | philthno2 | ajavid, the bts? |
| 20:07.02 | ajavid | !bts |
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| 20:07.02 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 20:07.07 | philthno2 | thx |
| 20:07.09 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: DVD-ROM is a standardized format |
| 20:07.11 | ajavid | why are you running sid if you have no idea what the BTS is? |
| 20:07.12 | xeon-enouf | mpeg2 |
| 20:07.30 | gasull | Is there any reason I need Exim for my workstation? Thx |
| 20:07.32 | ajavid | I mean not to be condescending, and I'm not, and I hope I am not coming off as that, but seriously, stick with stable if you have to ask |
| 20:07.34 | xeon-enouf | gasull: no |
| 20:07.45 | xeon-enouf | gasull: install ssmptp or something |
| 20:08.01 | xeon-enouf | gasull: nothing wrong with having exim4 though |
| 20:08.17 | xeon-enouf | gasull: disable it, if you want, like i do, use rcconf |
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| 20:08.28 | brbrbr | BD/HD also standartized. AVC, aka H264, aka VC-1, aka x264 and etc and etc |
| 20:08.35 | gasull | xeon-enouf: Maybe my question should be if I need a MTA at all |
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| 20:08.53 | xeon-enouf | gasull: yes, you do, for system mail, email notifications |
| 20:09.06 | xeon-enouf | gasull: at, cron, etc depend on an MTA |
| 20:09.28 | gasull | xeon-enouf: I see. And why do you recommend ssmtp? |
| 20:09.41 | xeon-enouf | gasull: it's a wee bit ..er .. smaller ;-) |
| 20:10.02 | xeon-enouf | gasull: but as i said, nothing wrong with exim4 |
| 20:10.04 | gasull | xeon-enouf: smaller memory footprint? |
| 20:10.24 | xeon-enouf | gasull: er .. depends on usage |
| 20:10.53 | gasull | xeon-enouf: I see. Well, I'll let it be. Thx |
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| 20:11.11 | xeon-enouf | gasull: /msg dpkg rcconf (if you like) |
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| 20:11.26 | philthno2 | ajavid, because with sid I never had problems ;) A read error in vobcopy does not necessarily have to do with sid, I think. But I will try to copy the vobs with lenny. |
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| 20:11.51 | philthno2 | Thanks for the bts-hint. |
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| 20:12.24 | ajavid | !sid faq |
| 20:12.25 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror); it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/squeeze... http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html |
| 20:12.29 | ajavid | philthno2, please read this |
| 20:12.33 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: you mistakenly did not emphasize the capitalization of AUDIO_TS, and VIDEO_TS |
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| 20:12.50 | nsadmin | the bts is also good for answering any questions that start with "does anyone have a problem with" |
| 20:12.52 | ajavid | I purposefully lowered capped it |
| 20:13.03 | ajavid | why? becucase I want to ony get the point across right now |
| 20:13.03 | xeon-enouf | for waht reason? |
| 20:13.06 | philthno2 | ajavid, thynk you |
| 20:13.13 | gasull | xeon-enouf: thx. |
| 20:13.13 | ajavid | you're most welcome buddy |
| 20:13.22 | ajavid | I peddle stable. |
| 20:13.27 | ajavid | :) |
| 20:13.38 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: stop typing like a computer, before i whip out my 'beater cane' |
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| 20:13.47 | nsadmin | stable is a bicycle?! |
| 20:13.59 | ajavid | 'peddle your warez somewhere else' |
| 20:14.02 | ajavid | never heard that before? |
| 20:14.25 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: unicycle != bicycle :-P |
| 20:14.34 | nsadmin | oh, gotcha :) |
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| 20:14.57 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, I type fast, get over it. |
| 20:15.21 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: no - i won't - you ask too many questions, in too short of time |
| 20:15.38 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, have you ever considered that I may be on drugs? |
| 20:15.53 | nsadmin | everyone has! :P |
| 20:15.57 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, tell yourself what you have to, and move on, please. |
| 20:16.02 | nsadmin | I'm just playing :P |
| 20:16.21 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: one cannot possibly have a coherent conversation with you, in that manner ,.. if so; so be it ; and learn to live alon |
| 20:16.24 | xeon-enouf | e |
| 20:16.28 | NoCode | Should I be adding non-free to the volatile repos, or do I have to enable a different repo? |
| 20:16.34 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, please keep it on topic. |
| 20:16.57 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: please stop changing topics, like ...oh nm |
| 20:16.57 | ajavid | NoCode, /msg dpkg volatile; /msg dpkg non-free |
| 20:18.40 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, chat |
| 20:18.44 | xeon-enouf | see.. you're silly 'drugs' comment was entirely missed ... i might have responded, but no |
| 20:18.49 | xeon-enouf | no |
| 20:18.51 | xeon-enouf | no chat |
| 20:18.59 | ajavid | then kindly fuck off |
| 20:19.02 | ajavid | I'm not in the mood |
| 20:19.04 | xeon-enouf | er s/you're/your/ |
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| 20:19.22 | themill | Please take your little domestic elsewhere, guys. #d doesn't care. |
| 20:19.33 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: please refrain from being dramatic |
| 20:19.38 | ajavid | themill, I've been asking him to leave me alone and get on topic |
| 20:19.43 | ajavid | themill, where exactly am I taking this? |
| 20:19.59 | themill | drop it, please. |
| 20:20.14 | xeon-enouf | themill: no need to intervene .. please |
| 20:20.14 | ajavid | no don't fucking tell ME to drop it. He is the one who continues to fuck with me. |
| 20:20.18 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: stop |
| 20:20.21 | ajavid | I type fast, get over it. |
| 20:20.22 | ajavid | fuck off. |
| 20:20.24 | nsadmin | NoCode: if there's no info other than that, you should already have the comments from dpkg, so your real question was probably "what are they about?" |
| 20:20.43 | ajavid | use your bozo box please. |
| 20:20.47 | ajavid | leave me be. |
| 20:21.02 | ajavid | 03:20 [themill(n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill)] If you're not in the mood to play nicely with the others in '#d then please /part |
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| 20:21.20 | themill | ajavid: please take a timeout from #debian. |
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| 20:22.00 | NoCode | nsadmin, I want to install iwlwifi firmware for my wireless, and a get some non-free stuff like adobe, and restricted formats. That's all. :) |
| 20:22.22 | nsadmin | oh, then probably you want non-free |
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| 20:22.48 | nsadmin | except I don't know if the firmware you need is there, or if you have to get it outside of debian packaging |
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| 20:23.00 | NoCode | Yes it's there. I just installed it. |
| 20:23.10 | NoCode | dpkg, iwlwifi |
| 20:23.10 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:23.11 | nsadmin | oh cool! is it working? |
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| 20:24.47 | mimecar | hi |
| 20:24.54 | NoCode | should I modprobe as root? |
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| 20:25.14 | mimecar | NoCode: yes, it's a system command |
| 20:25.15 | nsadmin | yeah, or install modconf and run that as root |
| 20:25.31 | nsadmin | which will arrange the modprobe at every boot |
| 20:25.49 | nsadmin | or edit /etc/modules |
| 20:26.02 | nsadmin | which will also arrange the modprobe at every boot |
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| 20:28.59 | NoCode | in /etc/modules, should I just add, "iwl3945" on one one? Or, "modprobe iwl 3945"? |
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| 20:29.21 | NoCode | no space. |
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| 20:30.06 | nsadmin | iwl3945 |
| 20:30.11 | NoCode | Cool, thanks. |
| 20:30.28 | NoCode | Excellent. |
| 20:30.30 | nsadmin | then to test, reboot, check lsmod |
| 20:30.41 | NoCode | Okay. Will do. Brb. |
| 20:30.46 | themill | NoCode: as long as you don't have "ipw3945" in /etc/modules, even that shouldn't be necessary. udev should take care of that for you |
| 20:30.58 | nsadmin | does the firmware load? |
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| 20:31.26 | nsadmin | I gotta bite the bullet and actually learn what udev does |
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| 20:31.50 | xeon-enouf | ok..bozo is cooked ;-) |
| 20:32.42 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TechTalks/4thAugust2007 |
| 20:34.28 | nsadmin | the second one?\ |
| 20:34.34 | ajavid | *sigh* |
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| 20:34.44 | nsadmin | and how do you play an ogg video? |
| 20:34.49 | ajavid | themill, I'm not going to repeat myself. |
| 20:34.52 | mimecar | you can use vlc |
| 20:34.55 | NoCode | Firmware loaded. |
| 20:35.07 | ajavid | themill, handle it. |
| 20:35.11 | nsadmin | cool, and module inserted too, I assume? |
| 20:35.27 | NoCode | lsmod showed iwl3945. I guess so. |
| 20:35.34 | nsadmin | ajavid: dude! stop making them mad! |
| 20:35.42 | ajavid | nsadmin, stay out of this. |
| 20:36.08 | nsadmin | I'm in it to the point I have to see it... |
| 20:36.13 | ajavid | He knows the deal, there is no need to go on. He will handle it. Move on. |
| 20:36.15 | themill | drop it.... please |
| 20:36.45 | xeon-enouf | !hug ajavid |
| 20:36.46 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around ajavid |
| 20:36.50 | NoCode | Should I add backports? |
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| 20:37.01 | nsadmin | if you need a backport, sure :) |
| 20:37.09 | streuner | in order to use firmware? NO :-) |
| 20:37.14 | xeon-enouf | NoCode: can't hurt |
| 20:37.25 | nsadmin | or if you want to be able to see in apt-cache search about the backports |
| 20:37.41 | streuner | hand xeon-enouf some sugar |
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| 20:38.28 | ajavid | hm |
| 20:38.33 | nsadmin | nooooo! don't give him sugar! |
| 20:38.48 | ajavid | !ot |
| 20:38.48 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 20:40.14 | NoCode | From: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html#_volatile_and_backports_org I guess I should have backports enabled all the time? |
| 20:40.44 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:40.47 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure you can choose that |
| 20:41.00 | streuner | NoCode: it wouldnt hurd |
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| 20:41.18 | streuner | NoCode: but, please read instructions at bpo |
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| 20:41.33 | xeon-enouf | TrueDD: try something other than "Hi all" :-P |
| 20:41.42 | TrueDD | lol |
| 20:41.54 | TrueDD | ok, I will the next time :) |
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| 20:42.14 | xeon-enouf | TrueDD: constructive contributions gladly accepted ;-) |
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| 20:42.15 | TrueDD | how are you xeon-enouf ? |
| 20:42.32 | xeon-enouf | TrueDD: a bit .. funky ;-) |
| 20:42.42 | TrueDD | :) |
| 20:42.53 | streuner | !moo |
| 20:42.54 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 20:42.57 | colxie | Could any one tell me how I would tell what bootloader is installed on a Debian 4.3.2-1 install |
| 20:43.10 | streuner | colxie: 4.3.2-1= |
| 20:43.11 | streuner | ? |
| 20:43.12 | nsadmin | only twice? |
| 20:43.38 | colxie | streuner: How do I tell? (FreeBSD guy) |
| 20:44.01 | streuner | colxie: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:44.14 | nsadmin | colxie: when you boot, does it say GRUB or LILO or neither |
| 20:44.22 | streuner | colxie: if you just downloaded Debian, its prolly grub |
| 20:44.24 | colxie | streuner: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 |
| 20:44.36 | colxie | nsadmin: it is a remote box, unable to tell |
| 20:44.46 | nsadmin | see if exists /boot/grub |
| 20:44.47 | NoCode | Thanks for the help thus far! ;) |
| 20:44.47 | colxie | as far as i can tell though, it does not seem to be grub |
| 20:44.58 | colxie | /boot/grub does not exist |
| 20:45.02 | streuner | hm, different installer, maybe |
| 20:45.06 | nsadmin | NoCode: is your wireless working? |
| 20:45.20 | xeon-enouf | colxie: as root xxd -l 512 /dev/hda | grep -i g |
| 20:45.31 | nsadmin | if not, try ifconfig wlan0 |
| 20:45.42 | NoCode | nsadmin, I'm still using wired at the moment, but the applet is listing wireless APs. |
| 20:45.44 | dhodgkin | How do I burn a Slackware ISO to DVD? |
| 20:45.45 | NoCode | So I guess it is. |
| 20:45.51 | nsadmin | and tell us: paragraph? error message? |
| 20:45.53 | xeon-enouf | colxie: or use hexdump -C , or strings |
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| 20:45.55 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 20:46.10 | nsadmin | and it wasn't doing that before? |
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| 20:46.18 | NoCode | nsadmin, No, it wasn't. :) |
| 20:46.23 | xeon-enouf | 0000170: 06be 947d e830 00be 997d e82a 00eb fe47 ...}.0...}.*...G |
| 20:46.23 | xeon-enouf | 0000180: 5255 4220 0047 656f 6d00 4861 7264 2044 RUB .Geom.Hard D |
| 20:46.26 | nsadmin | cool :) |
| 20:46.26 | streuner | dhodgkin: after you throw to trash or before? |
| 20:46.30 | nsadmin | oops gotta go |
| 20:46.35 | NoCode | Have a good one. |
| 20:47.18 | colxie | xeon-enouf: thanks! lilo |
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| 20:47.31 | dhodgkin | I really need to get it burned, my employer told me in no uncertain terms that I cannot run Debian because it's too bug ridden :( |
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| 20:48.17 | xeon-enouf | hahaha |
| 20:48.34 | streuner | What kind of idiot is this employer? |
| 20:48.35 | xeon-enouf | dhodgkin: tell your employer to call me ;-0 |
| 20:48.50 | streuner | yes, and tell him, he should fire you |
| 20:49.10 | dhodgkin | Patrick Volkerdig is his name. |
| 20:49.11 | xeon-enouf | hahaha |
| 20:49.29 | xeon-enouf | no it isn;t |
| 20:49.34 | xeon-enouf | liar! |
| 20:49.36 | dhodgkin | I swear |
| 20:49.42 | xeon-enouf | liar! |
| 20:49.49 | dhodgkin | I make all the t-shirts |
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| 20:50.18 | mhymn | you misspelled his name anyway |
| 20:50.21 | xeon-enouf | i smear all those t-shirts with my baby-maker-batter |
| 20:50.33 | dhodgkin | LOL |
| 20:50.59 | NoCode | Should I add: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free to synaptic? I usually use it in ubuntu to download packages. |
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| 20:51.16 | xeon-enouf | NoCode: "usually use" ? |
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| 20:51.30 | dhodgkin | but seriously I was wondering if and when KDE4 will make it to lenny-backports |
| 20:51.46 | xeon-enouf | NoCode: Debian !=ubuntu |
| 20:51.47 | NoCode | Yeah, I'm between apt-get, and synaptic most of the time. |
| 20:51.58 | themill | dhodgkin: it won't. It requires versions of libraries that aren't in lenny.... the backport effort is just to hard and disruptive |
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| 20:52.14 | xeon-enouf | NoCode: apt-get works for me ..always |
| 20:52.16 | dhodgkin | themill: thanks man |
| 20:52.48 | NoCode | I'm sure both work excellent. But, I'll usually at a toss up between both. |
| 20:53.06 | dhodgkin | even if I did work for Patrick, he wouldn't care what distro I ran on my system. |
| 20:53.27 | xeon-enouf | dhodgkin: if libc6 needs to be upgraded, you're no longer Lenny |
| 20:53.30 | dhodgkin | VIVA LA DEBIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:53.33 | nollidj | i think i've got some misconfiguration with the intel video driver. i've got direct rendering and GEM enabled with vblank=0, but i'm still getting about 180 fps in glxgears, and games which have worked well in the past run very sluggishly |
| 20:53.43 | nollidj | anyone here up for suggestions on this? |
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| 20:54.15 | xeon-enouf | NoCode: depending, try UXA inxorg.conf |
| 20:54.21 | jandruss | Hello. I just updated my Debian Testing (squeeze) after few months, but it gets frozen when it tries to load gdm and I get a white screen, not being able to do anything, not even to switch to another console. Could anyone throw me some light about where to start looking for the problem? (btw, I can boot the computer on single user mode) thanks |
| 20:54.22 | xeon-enouf | erm |
| 20:54.29 | xeon-enouf | nollidj: depending, try UXA inxorg.conf |
| 20:54.40 | nollidj | hm. right now i have now xorg.conf |
| 20:54.52 | xeon-enouf | !xorg.conf |
| 20:54.53 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed - and is often blank - but manual configuration is still possible. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
| 20:54.54 | nollidj | guess i'll have to pull out an old one |
| 20:54.57 | nollidj | yes, i know what it is |
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| 20:55.18 | nollidj | i'm on a laptop that frequently switches between desktop docks, so it's nice to have everything autodetected |
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| 20:55.26 | nollidj | i'll try uxa, though. thanks |
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| 20:57.10 | ajavid | dhodgkin, what are you asking? |
| 20:57.29 | ajavid | dhodgkin, kde4.1 is in lenny backports |
| 20:57.38 | ajavid | not officially but kde4.debian.org or somethin |
| 20:57.40 | ajavid | !kde4 |
| 20:57.40 | dpkg | somebody said kde 4 was the version of <KDE> that you will find in Squeeze. Because KDE 4 is so new, you might get more assistance in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net. Backports of older versions for lenny are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 20:57.52 | ajavid | 4.1 is utterfly fucking useless. |
| 20:58.08 | dhodgkin | I know it is |
| 20:58.11 | ajavid | watch for my blog post today (yes I promise I'll write it today) |
| 20:58.25 | ajavid | how to get kde3 and kde4 on debian lenny stable simul |
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| 20:58.41 | ajavid | with a chroot of course |
| 20:58.48 | streuner | ajavid: you cannot resist? |
| 20:58.59 | ajavid | streuner, hell no man |
| 20:59.01 | edju | As this laptop awakes from sleeping, wicd does not recognize the network. I must run iwconfig to set the essid; the network is then recognized and a connection made w/o further config. Isn't this supposed to be done automagically? |
| 20:59.03 | ajavid | kde4 is the shitnat |
| 20:59.09 | dhodgkin | ajavid: yeah yeah, chroot, blah |
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| 20:59.18 | dhodgkin | why chroot everything? |
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| 20:59.22 | ajavid | streuner, I think you meant kde right? |
| 20:59.27 | ajavid | streuner, no, I can't resist kde |
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| 20:59.41 | streuner | no, to tell him about KDE4 and lenny... |
| 20:59.43 | ajavid | streuner, if not kde, then I have no idea WTF you're ona bout :) as usual |
| 20:59.51 | ajavid | streuner, :D |
| 20:59.55 | ajavid | streuner, he asked! |
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| 21:00.10 | streuner | yes, and somebody answered him before... |
| 21:00.11 | ajavid | streuner, he specifically asked about kde4 on lenny |
| 21:00.15 | ajavid | streuner, I didn't see that |
| 21:00.23 | ajavid | streuner, what is your problem again? |
| 21:00.28 | dhodgkin | ajavid: I saw it LOL |
| 21:00.29 | streuner | well, so forget what i said about |
| 21:00.39 | ajavid | you're seriously confusing me buddy! |
| 21:00.41 | ajavid | :( |
| 21:00.43 | dhodgkin | but I like your answer better |
| 21:00.47 | ajavid | runs around streuner |
| 21:00.52 | ajavid | dhodgkin, of course you do |
| 21:00.57 | ajavid | everyone does. I give good answers. |
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| 21:01.26 | ajavid | I talk and talk like a mad man, but yeah, when it comes to debian support, I'm pretty serious. |
| 21:01.29 | dhodgkin | ajavid: except that you chroot everything, you'd chroot your Dog if you could LOL |
| 21:01.43 | ajavid | yes, I'd chroot meatballs :) |
| 21:01.53 | ajavid | log out and stop the barking... |
| 21:02.01 | dhodgkin | LOL |
| 21:02.09 | ajavid | dhodgkin, its not hard actually |
| 21:02.13 | ajavid | dhodgkin, qutie easy |
| 21:02.28 | ajavid | dhodgkin, however you do want to make sure that you setup the chroot on a disk that has not much i/o |
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| 21:02.41 | ajavid | if you put ~/chroot and you have lots of activity in your home disk |
| 21:02.51 | ajavid | you WILL experience slowness inside the chroot |
| 21:03.02 | ajavid | dhodgkin, put it in a diff partition and you'll be ok |
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| 21:03.34 | dhodgkin | yeah, I remember trying to build LFS 4 on a single HDD, took 24hours to compile tha base system. |
| 21:03.43 | ajavid | dhodgkin, all this comin on my blog soon enough, hopefully after that the amd64 people can also use this chroot howto and update the amd64 howto faq |
| 21:03.54 | NoCode | Going to try out 2.6.30 |
| 21:03.55 | ajavid | its 3+ years old and it has turned off a few people in the past few weeks |
| 21:04.04 | ajavid | NoCode, on which debian? |
| 21:04.12 | NoCode | lenny |
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| 21:05.31 | nollidj | xeon-enouf: were you suggesting setting the option AccelMethod to be uxa? |
| 21:05.53 | NoCode | I'm guessing HAL is still used in lenny, no? |
| 21:06.03 | streuner | sure |
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| 21:07.06 | streuner | NoCode: hal is even in sid... |
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| 21:07.15 | NoCode | cool |
| 21:07.55 | luke | I am wondering if it is possible to reduce the font size in one of the tty 1-6 windows |
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| 21:08.55 | nollidj | luke: are you using framebuffer? |
| 21:09.14 | luke | no, I don't think so |
| 21:09.32 | luke | what is framebuffer? |
| 21:09.37 | nollidj | check out the console-setup package (and /etc/default/console-setup) |
| 21:09.45 | nollidj | !framebuffer |
| 21:09.45 | dpkg | methinks framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon> or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. To disable framebuffer usage by Debian Installer, supply the "debian-installer/framebuffer=false" boot option. |
| 21:10.00 | nollidj | dpkg: tell luke about fbcon |
| 21:10.44 | NoCode | Is telepathy/ empathy in the repos? |
| 21:10.45 | nollidj | basically, use it to get those terminals in a higher resolution |
| 21:10.56 | luke | ok, thanks! |
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| 21:11.04 | luke | I am going to try my best |
| 21:11.23 | NoCode | christ. I was going to say higher resolution, then I told myself I'd sound stupid saying that, and I didn't. |
| 21:11.41 | nollidj | xeon-enouf: have you got any other suggestions for xorg-video-intel slowness? |
| 21:11.49 | nollidj | the option you suggested isn't used anymore |
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| 21:31.19 | Hosein-mec_ | hi |
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| 21:32.00 | Hosein-mec_ | how can i compile 64bit application in 32bit system ? |
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| 21:32.11 | JPT | look for cross compiling |
| 21:32.30 | JPT | i think this is how you do such things |
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| 21:33.11 | Supaplex | it's like cross dressing, but for machine code. ;) |
| 21:33.22 | Hosein-mec_ | i compiled a package with cmake , dh_make , debuild and .... for 32 bit ... |
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| 21:33.56 | Hosein-mec_ | now i want compile 64 bit |
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| 21:36.32 | xhairball | Hi, I'm having a problem with the display on my laptop. It started acting up a couple weeks ago but it's to the point where it sufficiently bugs me. The power management is reversed. When I unplug my power cable, the LCD is bright. When I plug it in (or leave it plugged in), it's dim. |
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| 21:37.44 | GastonLaGafff | hello. Is it possible to transform a partition in lvm into a standard partition in a filestustem ext3 for example, without deleting to data contained on it? |
| 21:38.15 | xhairball | Any ideas where I should look? I use encryption with LVM and it shows this problem before I enter my password to unlock the rest of the mount points. |
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| 21:45.34 | xeon-enouf | nollidj: ask #intel-gfx perhaps |
| 21:46.32 | xeon-enouf | GastonLaGafff: no |
| 21:46.54 | GastonLaGafff | :( |
| 21:47.07 | xeon-enouf | GastonLaGafff: LVM is it's own Volume management |
| 21:47.17 | GastonLaGafff | :( ;( |
| 21:47.42 | xhairball | The only clue I've seen is when I run 'acpi -V' with the power cable in, it looks normal except "Cooling 2: LCD 7 of 7". When I unplug the cable, it looks normal (discharging) but it says "Cooling 2: LCD 0 of 7". |
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| 21:48.20 | xeon-enouf | GastonLaGafff: just cp -a, or rsync -a elsewhere, then restore |
| 21:49.12 | GastonLaGafff | that is not really funny :( |
| 21:50.09 | murdoc-is-god | I have encrypted LVM set up with Debian sid, and it's working great. I just added a second hard drive though, and want to create a single large filesystem on it that mounts via fstab and can decrypt using the same password at boot after GRUB2 |
| 21:50.43 | murdoc-is-god | Can I have both my original HDD (the one with Debian installed) and this new data HDD decrypt at the same time at boot right after GRUB? |
| 21:51.16 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: whats the point of creating a single fs? |
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| 21:51.37 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: On the data HDD? |
| 21:51.54 | murdoc-is-god | I bought a new 2TB WD Caviar Green, I don't need more than one physical partition on it. |
| 21:52.07 | murdoc-is-god | Managing it via LVM would be a plus. |
| 21:52.24 | murdoc-is-god | I just want to decrypt both this new 2TB disk and the disk with Debian on it at the same time at boot. |
| 21:52.30 | murdoc-is-god | So they mount together |
| 21:52.44 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: you just want to not enter the password twice ? |
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| 21:53.25 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: this "mount together" is the default for anything in /etc/fstab usually |
| 21:54.15 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: True, but I want all logical volumes involved to have the same key used to decrypt for convenience sake |
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| 21:54.39 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: obviously you pick the keys, if both are the same key.. so thats it |
| 21:54.48 | murdoc-is-god | So that, upon booting after GRUB2, the passphrase I enter will unlock both the logical volumes on my Debian HDD as well as the logical volume on my new 2TB HDD. |
| 21:54.54 | murdoc-is-god | I don't know how to do this though. |
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| 21:55.14 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: You would have to write that script yourself |
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| 21:56.20 | xeon-enouf | !reinvent the wheel |
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| 21:56.43 | valdyn | xeon-enouf: uh? you have a password reusing init script? |
| 21:56.47 | nollidj | xeon-enouf: thanks. i am. turns out the ia32-apt-get debacle left a bunch of old 32-bit mesa libs lying around, and they were breaking things |
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| 21:58.10 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: you can place a passwordless key on a partition that is unlocked by a key with password |
| 21:58.34 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: that way only the first mount would ask for a key |
| 21:59.23 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: Isn't that what happens by default with encrypted LVM set up via d-i? |
| 21:59.40 | murdoc-is-god | I only type my password in once, at boot, right after GRUB |
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| 21:59.54 | murdoc-is-god | That unlocks my / and /home and swap logical volumes until I reboot again. |
| 21:59.59 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: I see |
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| 22:00.09 | murdoc-is-god | But now I also want it to unlock my 2TB logical volume as well |
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| 22:01.11 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: so you know already what you got to do ( make that TB encrypt and decrypt that same way as / and /home etc ) - i cant help you with that precisely, i dont even use whatever d-i uses |
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| 22:02.19 | xeon-enouf | valdyn: please don't ask me silly questions when you are obviously still learning\ |
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| 22:02.39 | valdyn | xeon-enouf: no im not learning it |
| 22:02.59 | xeon-enouf | valdyn: murdoc-is-god just showed you |
| 22:04.06 | murdoc-is-god | xeon-enouf: You know how to do what I ask? |
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| 22:08.09 | mabo_ | sera |
| 22:08.11 | mabo_ | come va ? |
| 22:08.19 | mabo_ | tutto bene ? |
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| 22:09.27 | macrobat | mabo_: inglese, per favore |
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| 22:09.52 | mabo_ | ok |
| 22:10.22 | mabo_ | I have to setup an wifi usb stick, can u help me please ? |
| 22:10.54 | mabo_ | is a Linksys WUSB600N |
| 22:11.01 | xhairball | ok, I solved the problem by editing /etc/laptop-mode/conf.d/lcd-brightness.sh. Is that the right place to do it? LCD brightness was turned off there so something else was controlling it. |
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| 22:16.47 | thneed | when i try to sudo apt-get get -f update, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m5b07550a |
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| 22:17.05 | ret | Anyone know of any good VM's that are free to run windows inside of Debian? |
| 22:17.11 | thneed | I tried to remove fglrx-glx through dpkg and through aptitude and synaptic...am I doing it wrong? |
| 22:17.40 | valdyn | ret: about any |
| 22:17.54 | valdyn | ret: virtualbox-ose and kvm are in debian |
| 22:17.55 | DeSian | thneed, what is with "aptitude purge fglrx-glx" |
| 22:17.56 | ret | >.> VMware is popular but isn't free |
| 22:18.17 | DeSian | ret, virtualbox is better :) |
| 22:18.31 | ret | apt-get install virtualbox-ose? |
| 22:18.49 | DeSian | "apt-cache search "virtualbox" |
| 22:18.50 | macrobat | mabo_: perhaps http://forums.linksysbycisco.com/linksys/board/message?board.id=Wireless_Adapters&message.id=18232 |
| 22:18.52 | thneed | DeSian: http://pastebin.com/m78799c25 |
| 22:19.01 | Tapout | I want ; pg_trgm ... and I've installed postgresql, but it didn't come with that. I've searched and there isn't a pg_trgm (postgresql-contrib doesn't have it either). Is it *wrong* to source compile that in? |
| 22:19.17 | nollidj | ...so, now that ia32-apt-get looks like it's dead (no longer in aptitude, that i can find), are 32-bit libraries for 64-bit systems just ia32-(pkgname) in the 64-bit package archives again? |
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| 22:19.28 | Tapout | nevermind |
| 22:19.29 | Tapout | ffs |
| 22:19.40 | valdyn | nollidj: just a few |
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| 22:19.49 | DeSian | thneed, apt-get -f install |
| 22:20.01 | thneed | DeSian: tha is what orgiinally gave me the error |
| 22:20.06 | DeSian | try apt-get upgrade |
| 22:20.17 | DeSian | and "apt-get -f install" |
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| 22:21.51 | nollidj | valdyn: is there any other way to get 32-bit libs yet? |
| 22:22.12 | mabo_ | thanks macrobat bu I don't want to use ndiswrapper |
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| 22:22.38 | valdyn | nollidj: for all i know ia32-apt-get is still the best option |
| 22:23.14 | DeSian | nollidj, "apt-get install ia32-libs" |
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| 22:23.58 | macrobat | i dont know mabo. you can ask in http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 22:23.58 | nollidj | DeSian: already got it, thanks |
| 22:24.13 | nollidj | valdyn: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ia32-apt-get&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 22:24.29 | nollidj | i'm guessing that the dev behind ia32-apt-get is going to try, try again, so i guess i'll wait |
| 22:24.34 | valdyn | nollidj: i know, but still |
| 22:24.45 | nollidj | oh well |
| 22:24.49 | nollidj | it almost worked out |
| 22:25.00 | DeSian | thneed, still her? |
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| 22:30.00 | dirkson | Does anyone know offhand which package pygtk is hiding as? |
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| 22:30.59 | DeSian | !tell dirkson about apt-file |
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| 22:31.18 | Gun_Smoke | I'm having a brain fart.. what is the name of the systems @something.foo.net ? And where can that be edited? |
| 22:31.53 | jorik | eh... /etc/hosts ? |
| 22:32.08 | ajavid | ahhh |
| 22:32.18 | ajavid | whoever was looking for a twitter standalone client in debian |
| 22:32.32 | Gun_Smoke | I think I found it /etc/mailname |
| 22:32.34 | ajavid | well I dunno if its in debian yet, but I found one called ttytter |
| 22:32.44 | ajavid | ttytter (look for it) |
| 22:32.53 | ajavid | its a console twitter client, standalone |
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| 22:34.02 | Gun_Smoke | although /etc/hosts contained the invalid entry also. anywhere else I need to change that? |
| 22:34.37 | luke3321 | hey guys, is it possible when posting a message to one of the debian mailing lists, to have the list send you back your email? (so that it appears as part of the conversation in your inbox) |
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| 22:35.16 | DeSian | Gun_Smoke, vim /etc/hosts ! |
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| 22:35.47 | ajavid | wouldn't that depend on your mail filter settings? |
| 22:35.56 | ajavid | or are you meaning like google chat (in emails) |
| 22:36.05 | Gun_Smoke | DeSian, Got that already |
| 22:36.09 | ajavid | conversation history, no idea how to do that in maillingl ists |
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| 22:37.26 | DeSian | i think the best mailing list software, that opensolaris community use it |
| 22:37.32 | luke3321 | ajavid: I mean, evolution groups mail by common subject and such so it looks like a "conversation" |
| 22:37.46 | ajavid | i don't use evolution |
| 22:37.51 | ajavid | sticks with gmail.com |
| 22:38.02 | luke3321 | gmail through evolution |
| 22:38.05 | luke3321 | haha |
| 22:38.08 | ajavid | but i use gmail.com |
| 22:38.11 | ajavid | :) |
| 22:38.14 | luke3321 | yeah |
| 22:38.17 | ajavid | in my bruiser |
| 22:38.19 | ajavid | (not browser) |
| 22:38.23 | ajavid | ;) |
| 22:38.33 | luke3321 | mhm |
| 22:38.39 | ajavid | doinky donk bonk |
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| 22:38.52 | ajavid | let me try to hook up it in thunderbird |
| 22:39.02 | ajavid | I will also try evoultion now |
| 22:39.05 | luke3321 | but what i am really looking for wether the server sends back to you the message you just sent it (i know some mailing lists do it) |
| 22:39.07 | ajavid | luke3321, are you on stable or higher? |
| 22:39.13 | luke3321 | testing |
| 22:39.15 | ajavid | ok |
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| 22:39.26 | ajavid | let me go to sid box and install it and i'll try to test it out |
| 22:39.34 | luke3321 | alright |
| 22:39.34 | racecar56 | i am trying to install nvidia-kernel with module-assititant but it keeps failing with tons errors about nv.c |
| 22:39.40 | ajavid | (be a little while, wait, or get help in here form someone else) |
| 22:39.54 | ajavid | luke3321, I would also assume that it is a better place to as in here |
| 22:40.01 | ajavid | #gnome irc.gnome.org |
| 22:40.07 | racecar56 | btw i'm on squeeze |
| 22:40.08 | ajavid | it is not a debian specific support question |
| 22:40.21 | ajavid | it only has to do with debian maillinglist, but that could be any mailing list |
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| 22:40.30 | ajavid | i think it a question specifically for the gnome people of evlution users |
| 22:40.39 | luke3321 | ajavid: well its nothing to do with evolution |
| 22:40.42 | ajavid | but I will test it out, just to check out a new client I've not used before |
| 22:40.50 | ajavid | luke3321, its evlution config isn't? |
| 22:40.52 | ajavid | I think |
| 22:40.54 | luke3321 | its really a question about the debian mailing list config |
| 22:40.57 | ajavid | (I dont' nkow, I'm just guessing) |
| 22:41.02 | ajavid | oh ok |
| 22:41.06 | ajavid | then by all means stick around |
| 22:41.22 | ajavid | i may be a while |
| 22:41.30 | luke3321 | haha why thank you, anyways im gonna go and bug devel, see if they know |
| 22:41.36 | ajavid | :) |
| 22:41.57 | luke3321 | i would assume they do, seen as they admin the lists and all ;) |
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| 22:42.57 | ret | um |
| 22:43.06 | ret | how do I change my LAN IP from .1.46 to .1.50? |
| 22:43.19 | nollidj | ret: are you setting it statically? |
| 22:43.38 | eeg3 | If statically, edit /etc/networking/infterfaces and restart networking |
| 22:43.46 | eeg3 | interfaces* |
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| 22:44.28 | pzn | how can I edit "visudo" to allow everyone to run this command: "sudo -u nobody /bin/ls" ? thanks in advance |
| 22:44.44 | ret | um |
| 22:45.01 | ret | eeg3: What do I do there? lol... there's no /etc/networking/interfaces directory |
| 22:45.14 | ret | do I gedit that or do I open it in THUNAR? |
| 22:45.33 | ret | nbm |
| 22:45.35 | ret | nvm |
| 22:45.53 | nollidj | /etc/network |
| 22:45.54 | eeg3 | Typo |
| 22:45.56 | eeg3 | ^ |
| 22:45.59 | ret | yeah |
| 22:46.00 | nollidj | yes |
| 22:46.13 | ret | is there a way to do it graphically? because i don't know what i'm doing in there >.> |
| 22:46.55 | eeg3 | It's probably more likely that you're getting your IP dynamically from a DHCP server |
| 22:47.21 | thneed | DeSian: |
| 22:47.25 | ret | i guess so o.o but on Windows I could change the LAN to 192.168.1.50 so I'm able to portforward |
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| 22:48.45 | thneed | DeSian: I got the same error,http://pastebin.com/m51bb8dac |
| 22:48.56 | nsadmin | ret: whether you do it graphically or not, it's the same info |
| 22:49.24 | nsadmin | not graphically, you have to remember or otherwise find out about the syntax |
| 22:50.21 | ret | do we have a pastebot in here? |
| 22:50.35 | lxsameer | where does dpkg hold the pre install hook for a package? |
| 22:50.41 | nsadmin | no but you can install pastebinit |
| 22:51.01 | nsadmin | lxsameer something like /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 22:51.18 | nsadmin | yeah, that's the place |
| 22:51.56 | racecar56 | http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f7278e751 |
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| 22:52.01 | nsadmin | ret: and there are many other choices |
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| 22:52.31 | mabo_ | Hi there! I have to setup an wifi usb stick, can u help me please,without ndiswrapper is possible ? It's a Linksys WUSB600N |
| 22:52.59 | nsadmin | mabo_: is the device plugged in? |
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| 22:53.22 | mabo_ | yes |
| 22:53.45 | ret | http://pastebin.com/f53d12f43 |
| 22:53.46 | mabo_ | I have backtrack 4 prefinal |
| 22:53.47 | ret | does this look right? |
| 22:53.55 | nsadmin | mabo_: with/without ndiswrapper depends on the device and whether its driver is available... but that's a digression... type ifconfig wlan0 |
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| 22:53.58 | nsadmin | and hit enter |
| 22:54.07 | nsadmin | do you get: a paragraph? an error? |
| 22:54.12 | themill | dpkg: tell mabo_ about bt4 |
| 22:54.20 | racecar56 | that pastebin link i sent was the log that m-a wrote |
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| 22:55.26 | ajavid | bt4? |
| 22:55.34 | ret | nsadmin: does http://pastebin.com/f53d12f43 look right? |
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| 22:55.43 | ajavid | oh |
| 22:55.44 | ret | BT3 > 4 imo |
| 22:55.51 | ajavid | really... |
| 22:55.54 | nsadmin | ret: all I need is the answer to the question |
| 22:55.56 | nsadmin | do you get: a paragraph? an error? |
| 22:56.01 | ajavid | a security based distro, n nice |
| 22:56.16 | ret | doing what? lol I haven't done anything yet |
| 22:56.17 | NoCode | I love Debian. I must be learning. I haven't messed anything up yet, and I've been installing some newer stuff in lenny. It's so smooth, it's not even funny. |
| 22:56.25 | ret | You were talking to mabo_, I believe |
| 22:56.30 | ajavid | there used to be a morphix remaster that catered to security auditing tools |
| 22:56.31 | nsadmin | oh oops :) |
| 22:56.33 | nsadmin | you're right |
| 22:56.39 | ret | :P |
| 22:56.39 | mabo_ | http://pastebin.com/m205690b9 |
| 22:56.43 | ajavid | I've not used BT, I'll check it out |
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| 22:57.04 | racecar56 | i did once but it was in QEMU, i likes it |
| 22:57.21 | ajavid | good stuff |
| 22:57.23 | nsadmin | comment out line 10 then you're all set |
| 22:57.24 | ret | meh, BT is a joke IMO |
| 22:57.27 | ajavid | I guess this goes hand in hand? |
| 22:57.28 | ajavid | !harden |
| 22:57.29 | dpkg | from memory, harden is D:SbD or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ or ask me about <security> <security backports> <tracker of doom> |
| 22:57.31 | ajavid | :) |
| 22:57.42 | ajavid | then audit with bt4 ? |
| 22:57.48 | NoCode | Are there any other lighter note taking apps other than tomboy? |
| 22:57.50 | racecar56 | ret: then again, every distro is just linux with different programs included |
| 22:58.00 | racecar56 | ret: so yeah, you are right |
| 22:58.01 | ajavid | NoCode, I use knotes |
| 22:58.04 | ajavid | NoCode, there is basket |
| 22:58.08 | murdoc-is-god | I'm running Debain sid... is ext4 safe to use in 2.6.30? |
| 22:58.12 | ajavid | NoCode, I don't know gnome/gtk tools |
| 22:58.16 | racecar56 | murdoc-is-god: yes |
| 22:58.18 | mabo_ | nsadmin, |
| 22:58.18 | ajavid | murdoc-is-god, not on production |
| 22:58.21 | ret | racecar: but not every distro uses the same package manager/syntax for everything |
| 22:58.25 | ajavid | murdoc-is-god, ext4 is not stable yet. |
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| 22:58.29 | racecar56 | ret: true |
| 22:58.37 | ret | Backtrack started as Slack with skiddie tools and moved on to Debian with skiddie tools |
| 22:58.42 | nsadmin | mabo_: hmm. ok, pastebin the output of ifconfig -a |
| 22:58.43 | murdoc-is-god | ajavid: Why would racecar56 say yes then? |
| 22:59.03 | racecar56 | murdoc-is-god: it is safe as in usable |
| 22:59.08 | racecar56 | murdoc-is-god: but it isn't stable |
| 22:59.16 | racecar56 | murdoc-is-god: i reccomend ext3 myself |
| 22:59.22 | ajavid | murdoc-is-god, it works starting from .28 kernel onwards. .28 has bugs and is instable with ext4. The first version of a fully supported ext4 kernel is .29. Even then, ext4 is not yet fully stable, and fucks up a bit. Loss of data is high likelihood. |
| 22:59.23 | racecar56 | murdoc-is-god: *recommend |
| 22:59.31 | mabo_ | http://pastebin.com/m3226c515 |
| 22:59.33 | racecar56 | gtg |
| 22:59.38 | ajavid | murdoc-is-god, if there isn't a REAL reason/need for you to use ext4, please don't |
| 22:59.41 | ret | nsadmin: if you could X11VNC with me and help me... i'm a super noob when it comes to this |
| 22:59.58 | ajavid | ret, that costs money |
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| 23:00.02 | nsadmin | I don't have any vnc stuff |
| 23:00.14 | mabo_ | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/m3226c515 |
| 23:00.16 | ajavid | ret, nsadmin charges $75/hr for remote administation help |
| 23:00.26 | mabo_ | azz |
| 23:00.34 | ajavid | ret, support in #debian is free if/when you decide to do the work yourself. |
| 23:00.38 | ajavid | READ, learn, experiment. |
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| 23:00.57 | nsadmin | don't forget to think between each of those steps |
| 23:01.10 | nineclock | hiz |
| 23:01.37 | ajavid | if you need help or rates for going debian professionals |
| 23:01.47 | ajavid | please consult the debian.org website to look for contractors |
| 23:01.51 | nineclock | i need to mount nfs one dir from 10.0.0.1 in to my master openvpn , what command can i use ? |
| 23:02.18 | NoCode | wtf, gnote won't install even though libxml++2.6-2 is installed and also complains it isn't! |
| 23:02.21 | mabo_ | ? |
| 23:02.24 | ajavid | contractors/consultants. |
| 23:02.27 | nsadmin | even if you don't do all the work, all I really require is that you show growth (one way, if someone asks the same exact question after being given an answer at least shows lack of communication; I want it easy, and that's not) |
| 23:03.00 | nsadmin | $75/hr is CHEAP... |
| 23:03.07 | ajavid | nsadmin, I wanted to be reasonable. |
| 23:03.10 | nsadmin | seriously cheap :) |
| 23:03.11 | ajavid | nsadmin, I charge $150/hr |
| 23:03.18 | ajavid | :) |
| 23:03.30 | nsadmin | that would be the rate I'd been quoting as well |
| 23:03.35 | NoCode | Shall I dare to install mono? |
| 23:03.41 | ajavid | mono is grand. |
| 23:03.46 | nsadmin | nucleosis? |
| 23:03.46 | ajavid | !wayttd NoCode |
| 23:03.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, NoCode? |
| 23:04.02 | NoCode | Install tomboy because gnote isn't installing. |
| 23:04.15 | ajavid | you asked for a note taking application |
| 23:04.24 | ajavid | I said knotes and basket |
| 23:04.27 | ajavid | try those yet? |
| 23:04.32 | NoCode | I have resolved dependencies in which it's saying they're not resolved. |
| 23:04.42 | nsadmin | I'm running knotes with kde, works pretty good |
| 23:04.42 | ajavid | whats a tomboy? |
| 23:04.51 | ajavid | !tomboy |
| 23:04.55 | nsadmin | a girl who likes sports and working on cars |
| 23:05.02 | NoCode | I don't want kde apps. :P |
| 23:05.06 | ajavid | afaik, used to be the name of a game similar to ATARI2600's pitfall |
| 23:05.17 | mabo_ | nsadmin, |
| 23:05.24 | mabo_ | please help me! xD |
| 23:05.28 | ajavid | NoCode, i hope you're on the 'hate kde' bandwagon |
| 23:05.34 | ajavid | knotes and basket are EXCELLENT applications. |
| 23:05.37 | NoCode | ajavid, Hell no. |
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| 23:05.45 | NoCode | I love kde4. |
| 23:06.04 | ajavid | I do not yet support kde4 |
| 23:06.04 | ajavid | not unltill squeeze is relesaed. |
| 23:06.09 | nsadmin | NoCode: so what exactly do you want? |
| 23:06.21 | nsadmin | an X app without needing gnome or kde? |
| 23:06.52 | NoCode | I'm just installing tomboy -- a note taking app in gnome. I wasn't going to install mono, but it depends on it so I installed it anyway. |
| 23:06.52 | NoCode | End of story. :D |
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| 23:07.25 | nsadmin | NoCode: well if that works, then you're right, end of story :) |
| 23:08.08 | ret | ok |
| 23:08.19 | ret | fml |
| 23:08.26 | ret | I edited the file and im still @ .47 |
| 23:08.54 | nsadmin | mabo_: oh, sorry, did you pastebin output of ifconfig -a? |
| 23:09.18 | nsadmin | mabo_: btw it looks like it's there but I'm kinda clueless on wireless right now |
| 23:09.27 | NoCode | ponders if shiki is in the repos |
| 23:09.32 | mabo_ | ok |
| 23:09.35 | mabo_ | thank u |
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| 23:09.43 | NoCode | :( |
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| 23:10.15 | nsadmin | all I know right now, is I have a usb wireless, and I plug in in, and when I ifconfig wlan0 I get a paragraph... and that it worked in a hotel |
| 23:10.28 | nsadmin | without installing additional drivers or anything |
| 23:10.43 | flame_me | hi, I just configured a PPP connection (according to ifconfig it has a valid IP, DNS, etc.). but when I load Firefox, Pidgin, etc. it's as if I had no connection at all. any idea what goes wrong? |
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| 23:11.08 | nsadmin | in your case I think yours is up but I don't understand why you don't have wlan0 and wmaster0 |
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| 23:11.22 | flame_me | am I supposed to specify somewhere that the default interface should be ppp0 instead of eth0? |
| 23:11.48 | NoCode | Can I download a squeeze package, and install it in lenny? It's just Metacity themes, and icons. |
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| 23:12.10 | nsadmin | NoCode: maybe, but you're better off backporting and installing the resulting package |
| 23:12.31 | NoCode | okay |
| 23:12.43 | nsadmin | it's not recommended to cross overall version boundaries without back/forward porting |
| 23:13.30 | NoCode | nods |
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| 23:13.59 | nsadmin | nsadmin: the underlying issue is lib versions |
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| 23:14.32 | Ezep | nsadmin: nice, see whom are you talking |
| 23:14.54 | ret | is it possible to have someone on Windows connect to me via VNC if I'm on debian? |
| 23:15.05 | Ezep | ret: yes |
| 23:15.16 | Ezep | The protocol is the same, so |
| 23:15.19 | ret | Ezep: is it easy? I have to connect to them, though. |
| 23:15.43 | Ezep | If you don't have net issues, it's easy |
| 23:15.57 | ret | >.< i'm unable to open ports for them to connect so I have to connect to them |
| 23:16.20 | Ezep | Why are you unable? |
| 23:16.22 | nsadmin | the surrounding issue is that since debian's packaging is versioned (mostly because of the lib issue), the versioning tends to cause apt to install stuff which partially upgrades you, and removes stuff that's conflicted in the later version |
| 23:16.22 | ret | i know you can do that in X11VNC |
| 23:16.36 | ret | Verizon DSL disabled it if your LAN ip is under 192.168.1.50 |
| 23:16.56 | ret | and I can't change it >.< |
| 23:17.06 | CodeNinja | I'm running kernel 2.6.26-1 whats teh package name for the kernel sources for this kernel? |
| 23:17.07 | ret | even still, it's rare for the port to actually open because Verizon sucks |
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| 23:18.25 | Xenguy | CodeNinja: I think 'headers' is a keyword |
| 23:18.33 | CodeNinja | :) |
| 23:18.45 | rrufdah34 | Hi, whenever my server restarts, it doesn't automatically restart the eth0 connection, so I have to manually do dhclient eth0, which is a pain. Anyway to fix that? |
| 23:18.59 | nsadmin | Ezep: oh, thanks for the tip' |
| 23:19.06 | Ezep | hehe |
| 23:19.23 | benjamindees | rrufdah32, change 'auto lo' in /etc/network/interfaces to 'auto lo eth0' |
| 23:19.25 | azeem | rrufdah34: do you have "auto eth0" in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:19.26 | CodeNinja | Xenguy: I'll just install the linux-headers-2.6.26-1-all :) |
| 23:19.49 | rrufdah34 | Damn, I forgot to open this in screen. Hold on azeem, I'll have to look. |
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| 23:20.55 | kingsley | How would you play a compressed flash format (.swf) file? |
| 23:21.02 | Xenguy | CodeNinja: I don't know why they don't just call it 'source', but maybe I dunno the whole story |
| 23:21.24 | benjamindees | kingsley, swfdec or gnash |
| 23:21.34 | CodeNinja | hmm |
| 23:21.36 | CodeNinja | :( |
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| 23:22.03 | CodeNinja | 'modprobe vboxdrv failed. use dmesg to find out why' dmesg | tail says 'vboxdrv: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module' |
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| 23:22.10 | benjamindees | Xenguy, the whole story is that it used to be called source and headers is something completely different and now no one is exactly sure where the kernel source is |
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| 23:22.33 | Xenguy | benjamindees: wha? |
| 23:22.38 | CodeNinja | benjamindees: thats a sad day |
| 23:22.40 | ret | Anyone know if there's any special downloads of an XP iso that aren't 800MB taht I can use in a VM? |
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| 23:22.54 | azeem | benjamindees: hrm? |
| 23:22.59 | CodeNinja | ret: install n-lite, then you can have a 400mb xp install :) |
| 23:23.03 | azeem | ret: no |
| 23:23.11 | ret | Well, anyone know what an OEM version is? |
| 23:23.25 | azeem | ret: you're off topic |
| 23:23.46 | ret | it pertains to a linux virtual machine that i'm running in debian >.> |
| 23:23.56 | azeem | that's still off topic |
| 23:24.08 | Xenguy | azeem: where is the (debian) kernel source to be found? |
| 23:24.22 | azeem | Xenguy: why do you ask me? |
| 23:24.26 | nsadmin | linux-source-* |
| 23:24.39 | nsadmin | try apt-cache search linux-source |
| 23:24.42 | Xenguy | azeem: nm |
| 23:25.06 | CodeNinja | heh, I should note the 2.6.26-1 and 2.6.26-2 are two totally different packages :S |
| 23:25.11 | nsadmin | other than that you can directly browse a mirror using a web browser (pick a close one please) |
| 23:25.12 | Xenguy | nsadmin: tx |
| 23:26.12 | Ezep | CodeNinja: you have to compile again vboxdrv |
| 23:26.21 | Ezep | CodeNinja: try using module assistant |
| 23:26.38 | CodeNinja | Ezep: already did it, just need to add myself to vboxusers group and reboot |
| 23:26.44 | Ezep | CodeNinja: m-a a-i virtualbox-ose #I think |
| 23:26.54 | CodeNinja | -ose is old |
| 23:26.59 | CodeNinja | only 2.1 or something |
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| 23:27.04 | Ezep | It's not old, it's ose :p |
| 23:27.12 | CodeNinja | :P |
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| 23:30.20 | kingsley | benjamindees: I followed your advice and tried the version of gnash in unstable (0.8.5-1+b1). Running it with the "-v" option, for verbose, reported "UNIMPLEMENTED: SWF9 is not fully supported, trying anyway but don't expect it to work". |
| 23:30.38 | kingsley | benjamindees: Do you happen to know how to play a SWF9 file? |
| 23:31.08 | azeem | 01:21 < benjamindees> kingsley, swfdec or gnash |
| 23:31.11 | benjamindees | kingsley: with Adobe Flash... |
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| 23:35.18 | kingsley | benjamindees: I'm familiar with using Adobe's flash player as a web browser plugin to play flash files on remote web servers. Do you happen to know if it can also play a local file? If so, how? |
| 23:35.58 | Ezep | kingsley: iceweasel yourfile.swf |
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| 23:37.30 | kingsley | Ezep: Yes, but at least for me, "iceweasel yourfile.swf" give a black window. |
| 23:37.40 | kingsley | s/give/gives/ |
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| 23:38.30 | Ezep | kingsley: try with "open file" |
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| 23:39.20 | enmerkar | kingsley: gnash foo.swf |
| 23:39.56 | enmerkar | kingsley: actually, you could simply try mplayer for movies |
| 23:40.00 | azeem | enmerkar: see aove |
| 23:40.02 | azeem | above* |
| 23:40.29 | kingsley | Ezep: Unfortunately, "open file" results in the same black screen. |
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| 23:41.05 | Ezep | It's black and no white, that's is a success |
| 23:41.19 | Ezep | Try using gnash, never tried it |
| 23:41.23 | enmerkar | i don't think you can simplay throw swf at iceweasel, it has to be embedded into html |
| 23:41.33 | kingsley | enmerkar: I followed your advice and tried the version of gnash in unstable (0.8.5-1+b1). Running it with the "-v" option, for verbose, reported "UNIMPLEMENTED: SWF9 is not fully supported, trying anyway but don't expect it to work". Indeed, it also hangs with a black screen. |
| 23:41.38 | Ezep | There is no need to be embedded |
| 23:41.40 | kingsley | needs to go soon. |
| 23:41.43 | enmerkar | mplayer |
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| 23:42.51 | kingsley | enmerkar: Yes, but mplayer also reports that "Compressed SWF format not supported". |
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| 23:43.06 | themill | suspects people should try some of these suggestions first |
| 23:44.34 | enmerkar | i wouldn't know where to find a swf9 file. mplayer has played everything i've thrown at it so far |
| 23:45.10 | mylastbreath | just installed a fresh copy of debian from goodbyemicrosoft.com, install went fine, after the reboot, the loggin screen is shaky, i suspect xorg.conf needs configuring, any thoughts? |
| 23:45.27 | azeem | mylastbreath: what do you mwan with shaky? |
| 23:45.29 | azeem | mean* |
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| 23:47.04 | mylastbreath | like the entire screen is a series of horzontal lines that seem to move right and left, so the screen appears to be in constant motion |
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| 23:49.27 | mylastbreath | i can actually log in to the system after a couple tries, and the display is fine from there, not sure if its a refresh rate or resolution that would do that |
| 23:49.36 | NoCode | How can I get my theme in root to look like the theme as user? |
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| 23:51.25 | xxtjaxx | NoCode by setting it in root aswell |
| 23:51.39 | NoCode | how would I do that? |
| 23:51.49 | xxtjaxx | login as roo |
| 23:51.51 | NoCode | Logging in as root, and setting the themes? |
| 23:51.53 | NoCode | oh okay |
| 23:52.05 | benjamindees | by not logging into the desktop as root and using su or a root terminal instead as needed |
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| 23:52.50 | xxtjaxx | benjamindees: widouth export DISPLAY=:0 ? |
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| 23:53.39 | benjamindees | surely gnome has a root xterm of some sort |
| 23:54.07 | mylastbreath | would that be an xorg.conf issue? or is there a different cause? |
| 23:54.28 | xxtjaxx | o_0 |
| 23:54.35 | enmerkar | mylastbreath: most likely |
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| 23:59.01 | nsadmin | benjamindees: just pull up a gnome terminal and su |
| 23:59.07 | nsadmin | su - is better |
