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| 00:00.59 | abrotman | bethlynn1: don't spam here |
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| 00:01.42 | Bird|ghosted | valdyn, am downgrading intel-drivers + mesa now |
| 00:02.43 | ajavid | having looked into it a bit more, I see that the debian kernel tcp/ip stack aliases 0.0.0.0 to localhost |
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| 00:03.04 | ajavid | I think. How would I go about confirming this and/or modifying it |
| 00:03.32 | ajavid | having given a non existent ip address to the hosts it takes now a long time to timeout on the ad banners etc. |
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| 00:04.05 | ajavid | if again given 0.0.0.0 it resolves to localhost instantly and well works better except for that it shows my localhost dev server |
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| 00:04.53 | ajavid | if it didn't resolve to localhost (0.0.0.0) that, it would instantly not find anything, time out, and still not show my local dev server |
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| 00:06.14 | ajavid | so the goal is to make 0.0.0.0 NOT alias/reference/resolve/connect to localhost (127.0.0.1) |
| 00:06.25 | ajavid | I have no idea where to begin on this, please advise |
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| 00:07.12 | benjamindees | I would search the kernel source for 0.0.0.0 |
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| 00:07.55 | dsdeiz | HidroJen: wut the f? |
| 00:08.16 | Tramp | ajavid: I told you on ##linux why it makes sense that 0/32 maps to localhost. So if you change this, you may break stuff |
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| 00:08.46 | Tramp | ajavid: why don't you use e.g. 127.0.0.2 instead of 0/0 (not knowing, what exactly you are trying to achieve) |
| 00:09.10 | Arrowmaster | i thought 0.0.0.0 was only suppost to be used as a source and not a destination? |
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| 00:09.30 | ajavid | Tramp, oh sorry I looked out of the channel |
| 00:09.41 | Tramp | Arrowmaster: see RFC 3330. 0/32 means "this host" on "this network". What that means exactly is open to interpretation |
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| 00:10.13 | ajavid | Tramp, I see |
| 00:10.26 | ajavid | Tramp, let me try 127.0.0.2 |
| 00:10.46 | bethlynn1 | Thanks folks, every little bit helps community conferences like Ohio LinuxFest survive |
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| 00:11.12 | Tramp | abrotman: can you fix that reapeated spamming |
| 00:11.56 | abrotman | bethlynn1: seriously, go away, this is not the place for your junk |
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| 00:16.07 | ajavid | Tramp, no dice |
| 00:16.36 | Tramp | ajavid: can you repeat what it is exactly you want to achieve in the end? |
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| 00:16.40 | abrotman | fatalerror: thank you |
| 00:16.50 | fatalerror | abrotman: you're welcome =) |
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| 00:17.59 | ajavid | Tramp, one sec |
| 00:18.27 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 00:19.08 | Arrowmaster | Tramp: i think hes trying to use /etc/hosts for ad blocking but doesnt want to point the domains to the webserver running on localhost |
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| 00:21.48 | Kovensky | hurf |
| 00:21.55 | Kovensky | live-snapshot isn't working on shutdown :( |
| 00:21.57 | Tramp | but then I don't see, why 127.0.0.2 does not work. It should reject immediately |
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| 00:22.26 | Arrowmaster | doesnt apache bind to * by default? |
| 00:23.19 | Arrowmaster | anything in 127.0.0.0/8 is considered loopback |
| 00:23.23 | Tramp | ah - yes, you're right. But then he can change his listener. |
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| 00:24.00 | Kovensky | uh, it doesn't help that it umounts everything before running live-initramfs stop |
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| 00:24.17 | Arrowmaster | or maybe just add a deny for the specific loopback address |
| 00:24.35 | Tramp | deny would time out. He'd need a REJECT |
| 00:25.08 | Tramp | a sorry. DROP would time out. deny could mean REJECT |
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| 00:26.26 | benedikt | Is it possible to add a alias to an interface (with ifconfig) over ssh without loosing connectivity? |
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| 00:27.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah /etc/hosts isnt exactly an ideal way to block domains but its one of the most widespread methods, you cant exactly tell it that the domain doesnt resolve like you can using your own dns |
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| 00:28.49 | abrotman | benedikt: why not? |
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| 00:29.21 | benedikt | abrotman: im guessing it would work fine. But since I am a few miles away from the machine, I want to make sure :-) |
| 00:29.48 | abrotman | a few miles?! |
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| 00:30.11 | benedikt | abrotman: welcome to iceland.. |
| 00:30.24 | abrotman | i guess everything is a few miles? |
| 00:30.27 | abrotman | hides |
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| 00:30.39 | sylar | has anyone had reliability issues with XFS ? |
| 00:30.39 | Tramp | benedikt: aliases are deprecated (just as a sidenote). But otherwise it will not hurt. |
| 00:30.57 | benedikt | Mostly.. The longest you can go without hitting the sea is about 850 km ;) |
| 00:31.11 | benedikt | Tramp: what? What's supposed to replace them then? |
| 00:31.39 | Tramp | benedikt: simply multiple IPs on one interface, added with "ip addr add IP dev DEV" |
| 00:32.06 | benedikt | Oh. Nice. |
| 00:32.42 | Tramp | ... since at least five years. But it will take 2 more decades, until all the folklore has expired on the Internet. |
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| 00:33.17 | benedikt | why isnt it mentioned in the man page for iwlist then |
| 00:33.32 | abrotman | Tramp: i think ifconfig was 'deprecated' in .. sarge? :) |
| 00:33.42 | ice799 | Hi. I'm trying to run this perl script and I don't know anything about Perl. The script depends on MySQL, and I'm getting this error when I try to run it: Can't locate Mysql.pm -- Anyone know which package I need to install? I've already installed libdbd-mysql-perl |
| 00:33.47 | ice799 | So maybe my perl include path is broken? |
| 00:33.54 | Tramp | what has iwlist to do with layer 3? |
| 00:34.06 | benedikt | i meant to say ifconfig.. |
| 00:34.11 | Tramp | abrotman: yeah probably ... |
| 00:34.21 | Tramp | benedikt: ifconfig is deprecated |
| 00:34.23 | Arrowmaster | ifconfig deprecated? |
| 00:35.15 | abrotman | yeah .. it's in the debian reference somewhere |
| 00:35.45 | Arrowmaster | hmm it was just a few years ago i setup a box with interface aliases and multiple addresses for a cis capstone project |
| 00:36.12 | Arrowmaster | and then the lab tech replaced it with a windows box.... |
| 00:36.21 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: it still works .. but it's been deprecated for awhile |
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| 00:36.43 | Tramp | but for historical reason has to be supported for about two more decades |
| 00:37.26 | benedikt | still wouldn't hurt to mention stuff like that in the man page imo |
| 00:37.31 | abrotman | two? i'm thinking five at lest |
| 00:37.33 | abrotman | least |
| 00:37.58 | Arrowmaster | whats the non deprecated method? /etc/networking/interfaces? |
| 00:38.05 | benedikt | ip? |
| 00:38.37 | Arrowmaster | thats a command? |
| 00:38.43 | benedikt | yep |
| 00:39.01 | Arrowmaster | well now i know! |
| 00:39.16 | fatalerror | lol |
| 00:39.40 | benedikt | i learned about it when i found out "route" was deprecated. Looks like I should have paid more attention. |
| 00:40.06 | fatalerror | what? is route deprecated? |
| 00:40.08 | Tramp | abrotman: let's meet here in 2029 and have a new estimate |
| 00:40.09 | fatalerror | hides |
| 00:40.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:40.48 | Arrowmaster | ok whats the equiv of ifconfig -a? |
| 00:40.52 | abrotman | in what? |
| 00:41.03 | Arrowmaster | in whatever replaced ifconfig? |
| 00:41.08 | abrotman | in 'ip' ? |
| 00:41.12 | Arrowmaster | sure |
| 00:41.23 | markybob | damn clovis people |
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| 00:41.39 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: ip addr .. i think is what you want |
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| 00:42.39 | dzup | hi, am new in debian, how can i avoid a memory fork like this? main() { while(1) fork(); ??? |
| 00:42.44 | Elems | I need to get libffi4 on my server in order to run something, but it can't install through apt-get install libffi4. Why would it say its not installable? |
| 00:42.50 | Tramp | Arrowmaster: depends. ip addr show, ip -s link show |
| 00:42.59 | kazzy | is Debian still going to have multiarch eventually? |
| 00:43.05 | benjamindees | hmm, mesa dri is still not installed by default I see |
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| 00:43.25 | fatalerror | kazzy: it's a release goal for Squeeze, for all I know |
| 00:43.51 | kazzy | fatalerror: is it.. really? I see apt-get-32 or whatever, that's not going to cut it |
| 00:44.06 | abrotman | Elems: apt-cache search libffi |
| 00:44.25 | fatalerror | kazzy: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/08/msg00008.html |
| 00:44.27 | ajavid | Tramp, nm, I combatted it. |
| 00:45.03 | abrotman | Elems: libffi5 perhaps ? |
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| 00:45.08 | Arrowmaster | benjamindees: libgl1-mesa-dri? it was installed by default for me |
| 00:45.40 | Elems | abrotman the package I'm trying to install (jsext) wants libffi4 |
| 00:45.41 | ajavid | Tramp, redirected all ad network hosts to 127.0.0.1 (ran apache on localhost docroot ~/.apache.adblock.docroot with a empty/0byte index.php and .htaccess with ErrorDocument 404 /index.html |
| 00:46.05 | abrotman | Elems: i'm just saying that it's libffi5 in lenny/squeeze/sid |
| 00:46.11 | ajavid | Tramp, I am now running my local webdev lamp server on a diff vhost name |
| 00:46.11 | benjamindees | Arrowmaster: this was a default desktop install on Lenny upgraded to Squeeze |
| 00:46.18 | Tramp | ajavid: glad it works |
| 00:46.26 | ajavid | Tramp, and I've mapped that in my hosts file to a 127 |
| 00:46.31 | kazzy | fatalerror: thanks, "we hope"...well, I won't get my hopes up then |
| 00:46.38 | ajavid | like project1 127 |
| 00:46.56 | Elems | abrotman mk, any ideas for what I can do to get jsext working? some way to get libffi4? |
| 00:47.00 | ajavid | so http://project1/ etc. etc. and http://localhost/* is always returning blank 0 byte file |
| 00:47.05 | benjamindees | kazzy, there are multiarch install images whatever that means |
| 00:47.13 | ajavid | Tramp, thanks, took a bit of thinking but I got it |
| 00:47.20 | Arrowmaster | benjamindees: oh this was a default desktop install using squeeze netinstall, libgl1-mesa-dri is in the desktop env task which means it should be installed if that task is selected in tasksel |
| 00:47.34 | ajavid | Tramp, I'm not sure how the RFC affects that as I still have not read into it yet |
| 00:48.04 | kazzy | benjamindees: yeah, that's not the same thing. It will probably just install a single arch (even if the system in question supports multiple) |
| 00:48.30 | fatalerror | is starting to hate mutt |
| 00:48.32 | ajavid | Tramp, but before in previous months, telling hosts to send ad networks to 0.0.0.0 did not result in showing my localhost webserver as it didn't send 0.0.0.0 to localhost |
| 00:48.38 | ajavid | Tramp, is this a recent change? |
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| 00:49.01 | Tramp | ajavid: hmm. no. afaik it's been like this forever |
| 00:49.16 | rudi_s | fatalerror: Why is that? |
| 00:49.16 | Arrowmaster | kazzy: multiarch stuff is in experimental, hasnt even made it to sid yet afaik |
| 00:49.27 | ajavid | Tramp, there are a ton of articles on google stating the exact same thing, that sending them to 0.0.0.0 results in faster resolv time as there is nothing to resolve, and it doesn't connect to localhost even if there is a sever there |
| 00:49.31 | ajavid | anywway |
| 00:49.33 | ajavid | I solved the problem |
| 00:49.37 | ajavid | yay \o/ |
| 00:49.39 | Tramp | ajavid: maybe your webserver was not bount to localhost previously |
| 00:49.40 | fatalerror | rudi_s: it seems to be mangling my messages to the ldap mail gateway |
| 00:49.42 | kazzy | Arrowmaster: wait, it's actually in experimental and not in vapour? |
| 00:49.44 | ajavid | now its better actually |
| 00:49.46 | ajavid | Tramp, it was |
| 00:49.57 | Tramp | well - no idea then |
| 00:50.00 | ajavid | ohhh |
| 00:50.01 | Arrowmaster | kazzy: i think with just a few packages |
| 00:50.01 | ajavid | hang on |
| 00:50.06 | ajavid | i think.. im an idiot |
| 00:50.42 | ajavid | oh I swear to god I am the biggest fucking moron in the world |
| 00:50.46 | rudi_s | fatalerror: That's not good .. never used LDAP so I can't help you with that .. |
| 00:51.07 | ajavid | Tramp, apache2.conf had ServerName localhost (and I'm pretty sure thats why ALL the vhosts listend on it) |
| 00:51.11 | fatalerror | it doesn't have much to do with ldap |
| 00:51.17 | ajavid | if this isn't the case then I'm not a moron |
| 00:51.21 | ajavid | :) |
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| 00:51.37 | kazzy | Arrowmaster: yeah, doesn't it require modification of every single package? |
| 00:51.40 | ajavid | this should only be in the actual vhost file in sites-available |
| 00:51.41 | ajavid | right? |
| 00:51.48 | Arrowmaster | kazzy: yeah i think |
| 00:52.27 | k]t | *yawn* |
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| 00:52.47 | rudi_s | fatalerror: I've used mutt for quite a while and never had any mangling problems .. not sure what's going on. |
| 00:52.57 | xeon-enouf | spanks g00se's gf |
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| 00:53.30 | fatalerror | rudi_s: same here. that's why I suspected the text editor at first |
| 00:53.36 | fatalerror | but doesn't seem to be the case |
| 00:55.15 | kazzy | Arrowmaster: where did you see that get added to experimental, though? |
| 00:56.25 | Arrowmaster | there were some libc packages in experimental that mentioned multiarch but i dont see anything about multiarch in the description now |
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| 00:56.42 | rudi_s | fatalerror: Sure it's mutt, using another program works? |
| 00:57.20 | kazzy | heh, got my hopes up. I won't believe it until someone says it's done |
| 00:57.23 | k]t | mutt was challenging -- so i just set a script to fetchmail, piped to ls, then used select to handle the rest... =\ |
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| 00:57.46 | k]t | ls, less* |
| 00:58.14 | fatalerror | rudi_s: seems to be the terminal |
| 00:58.18 | Arrowmaster | kazzy: i didnt say it was working, just that some inital support was in experimental i thought |
| 00:58.24 | fatalerror | shouldn't have blamed mutt, poor one |
| 00:59.03 | rudi_s | fatalerror: ;-) At least you know what's the problem. |
| 00:59.17 | k]t | i haven't tried mutt out since i've had my "linux box" -- but that was back when I was using cygwin... |
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| 00:59.23 | kazzy | Arrowmaster: yeah, I see packages called 'multiarch', but that appears to be stuff for cross-compiling |
| 00:59.26 | fatalerror | at least I maintain the problem, both in Debian and upstream |
| 00:59.34 | fatalerror | a headache I know how to get rid of :P |
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| 01:00.02 | rudi_s | ;-) |
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| 01:02.19 | xeon-enouf | cywin? o m f g! |
| 01:02.49 | k]t | yes, cygwin. |
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| 01:03.09 | k]t | -- thats the only reason why i made it to linux. =\ |
| 01:03.53 | xeon-enouf | f == friggin, g == goodness ;-) |
| 01:04.53 | xeon-enouf | k]t: in SovietRussia, OS makes you! |
| 01:05.35 | benjamindees | well glxgears has locked my system |
| 01:05.51 | xeon-enouf | about time |
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| 01:08.26 | Andorin | Yo, guys. I'm experiencing graphics lag, on certain websites (like Facebook and Jamendo) and certain graphical actions (like minimizing or bringing up a window). As far as I can tell I'm using an Intel integrated card. Does anyone have any advice on fixing this? |
| 01:09.01 | xeon-enouf | wait for .31 |
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| 01:10.32 | Dominicus | So, I'm still having the problem where Iceweasel 3.0.12, and Epiphany 2.26.3 are both experiencing apprimxately 1-2 second look up times, while dig to domain names is usually less than a tenth of a second. So what gives? My firefox 3.5.x on Windows XP doesn't have this problem, and I have the same problem on two computers. I'm on comcast, and the dns servers of theirs that I am using is: |
| 01:10.38 | Dominicus | 68.87.77.134 and 68.87.72.134 in my /etc/resolv.conf. I am not using resolveconf. This wasn't an issue a month ago. And ping tests to the two dns servers come back completely normal. Someone mentioned before setting up my own dns server, but honestly, if the dig client can resolve domain names just fine, why should my own dns server resolve things and more fast or slow? |
| 01:11.03 | xeon-enouf | wh0a |
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| 01:15.40 | abrotman | Dominicus: tried a non-gecko browser ? |
| 01:15.44 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: maybe a) try wiping cache and saved sessions b) there was this about:config thing a long time ago called ..erm ns..no wait, nowadays it's 'ipv6' related ....or c) dump the bloated behemoth |
| 01:16.08 | dsdeiz | uhm, no forum for debian? |
| 01:16.20 | xeon-enouf | !forum |
| 01:16.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, forums is http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
| 01:17.10 | xeon-enouf | someone change that to goatse .... |
| 01:17.34 | dzup | hey anyone knows how to avoid software forks? |
| 01:17.56 | abrotman | you don't want to? |
| 01:17.59 | xeon-enouf | ulimit |
| 01:18.25 | dkr | people skills |
| 01:18.35 | xeon-enouf | bozo talent |
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| 01:22.31 | dsdeiz | uhm, what if i only simply need to install x with firefox? do i need to download the whole dvds? |
| 01:22.35 | dsdeiz | iso's i.e. |
| 01:22.49 | dsdeiz | or maybe i could just get like dvd-5.iso? |
| 01:23.14 | jpinx | dsdeiz: do a net install? |
| 01:23.24 | xeon-enouf | you could install windows 95 |
| 01:23.29 | GhostlyDeath | hmm, If I were to use VPN to access my home network then host a VPN Server on the VPN client, then have a 169.254.*.* address connect to the computer with the VPN client and does VPN with it, would the VPN (with using Peer DNS) allow the other computer to access the internet and such? |
| 01:23.46 | jpinx | dsdeiz: aptitude install what you need |
| 01:24.10 | dsdeiz | xeon-enouf: ugh? and then install debian after activating my internet connection i was referring yesterday? :-? |
| 01:24.16 | jpinx | GhostlyDeath: try it and see |
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| 01:24.55 | xeon-enouf | GhostlyDeath: ewww.. avahi-daemon/bonjour/zeroconf crapola! |
| 01:25.22 | xeon-enouf | GhostlyDeath: mDNS will kill you |
| 01:25.45 | benedikt | Kvant: *tihi* |
| 01:25.46 | Dominicus | abrotman: I'm not sure how I would look for a non gecko based browser. I know whem I use "w3m" I got an "Opening socket..." message for approximately the same duration as domain name lookups. It's pretty evident that it is, because when I try to visit shoes.com, I get the 1-3 second wait, then it's redirected to www.shoes.com (or whatever other domain it's being sent too) and I get another 1-3 |
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| 01:25.52 | Dominicus | second "Opening socket..." wait. This is really confusing. |
| 01:26.08 | abrotman | Dominicus: like konq? something based on webkit? opera ? |
| 01:26.14 | r | what's a good command line yabber client? |
| 01:26.35 | GhostlyDeath | xeon-enouf: I don't use avahi on my laptops |
| 01:26.37 | xeon-enouf | bitlbee? |
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| 01:27.06 | xeon-enouf | you do now GhostlyDeath |
| 01:27.23 | xeon-enouf | unless ...you |
| 01:27.30 | Dominicus | abrotman: I'll try konq. Opera isn't in any of the debian repositories. |
| 01:27.33 | GhostlyDeath | xeon-enouf: unless I? |
| 01:27.44 | abrotman | Dominicus: no it's not, but it exists and is non-gecko :) |
| 01:27.50 | xeon-enouf | unless ...you're not running Debian |
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| 01:28.10 | GhostlyDeath | I run Debian |
| 01:28.18 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: try links2 -g |
| 01:28.25 | GhostlyDeath | xeon-enouf: On my laptop, I don't want to find people |
| 01:28.35 | GhostlyDeath | I don't want my existance to be broadcasted either |
| 01:28.46 | xeon-enouf | in SovietRussia People find you! |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: what is your actual problem? |
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| 01:30.00 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: tcpdump |
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| 01:31.56 | xeon-enouf | recalls libnss-mdns-* issues .... |
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| 01:34.44 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: does this look like a proper entry in /etc/nsswitch.conf "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" ? This is how I found it. I've never edited the file before. |
| 01:35.21 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: yes ... and no |
| 01:35.54 | xeon-enouf | try hosts: files dns only |
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| 01:37.38 | xeon-enouf | !listvals nsswitch |
| 01:37.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'nsswitch' by value (3): nsswitch ;; libc6 2.1.97 ;; slow. |
| 01:37.59 | xeon-enouf | heh, slow ,,,hehe |
| 01:38.03 | xeon-enouf | !slow |
| 01:38.03 | dpkg | [slow] ask me about <dma> or <nsswitch>. |
| 01:38.24 | xeon-enouf | !nsswitch |
| 01:38.24 | dpkg | from memory, nsswitch is /etc/nsswitch.conf - if a line reads "hosts: dns files" instead of "hosts: files dns", your system may be very slow! |
| 01:39.04 | ajavid | Tramp, finally got it |
| 01:39.17 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: one would think if that were the issue, everything would be slow |
| 01:39.31 | ajavid | Tramp, localdev server running on http+ssl and adblocking server runnning on :80 |
| 01:39.33 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: thanks , your memory is pretty good! :-P |
| 01:39.33 | dpkg | pas de quoi, xeon-enouf |
| 01:39.52 | ajavid | Tramp, I just set netbeans to use https://localhost thats all |
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| 01:41.05 | ajavid | Tramp, adblocking server has a webroot with a 0byte index.html and .htaccess directs all 404 to also the same 0byte index.html |
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| 01:41.48 | ajavid | Tramp, I did that becuase I was having trouble with mod_rewrite to catch all requests for ^.*/ or something |
| 01:42.16 | Tramp | ajavid: yeah - well. I don't get, why it's supposed to be that complicated. But if it works for you - great. |
| 01:42.19 | ajavid | so the errordocument redirect works just fine, the odd little banner that firefox adblock plus misses, it shows up blank intead of server not found |
| 01:42.39 | ajavid | or my localdev server |
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| 01:43.02 | ajavid | I could have easiliy ran it on a diff port (the dev lamp) but eh.. :xx specifying port number in there looks ugly to me, pet peeve |
| 01:43.04 | n-iCe | can the libnotidyty icons be installed on debian? |
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| 01:44.04 | benjamindees | excellent, found a bug |
| 01:44.09 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: Is there anything I need to do to make the "hosts: files dns" in effect. Like refreshing/restarting something? |
| 01:44.10 | ajavid | Tramp, as for the article son google, they mostly cater to windows people, so I'm guessing that the windows tcp/ip stack does not reference 0.0.0.0 to localhost |
| 01:44.21 | ajavid | Tramp, on windows, 0.0.0.0 is nothing |
| 01:44.29 | Tramp | that may well be. |
| 01:44.47 | abrotman | Dominicus: nope |
| 01:44.56 | ajavid | http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2009-June/076332.html |
| 01:45.06 | ajavid | How is 0.0.0.0 handled in Wine? <-- seems to definitely be windows related |
| 01:45.11 | ajavid | I'll have to look more into it |
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| 01:45.29 | abrotman | does wine have networking? |
| 01:45.36 | ajavid | I think so yes |
| 01:45.41 | ajavid | firefox works in wine |
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| 01:45.48 | benjamindees | yes but it is somewhat poor |
| 01:45.52 | ajavid | some navicat mysql application too |
| 01:46.04 | ajavid | kinda sluggish though |
| 01:46.15 | ajavid | Pinging 0.0.0.0 with 32 bytes of data: |
| 01:46.19 | ajavid | Destination specified is invalid. |
| 01:46.39 | ajavid | but not on linux/debian, it is is PING 0.0.0.0 (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data |
| 01:47.01 | ajavid | thats the difference, so thats why 0.0.0.0 on windows hosts file works faster/better in that respect |
| 01:47.22 | benedikt | why would you want to ping 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 01:47.40 | ajavid | benedikt, look into what 0.0.0.0 is/does, and how it related to adblocking hosts file |
| 01:47.50 | Tramp | because it's there |
| 01:47.52 | ajavid | benedikt, ping is a diagnostic tool, it is used to diagnose problems |
| 01:48.00 | ajavid | Tramp, :) |
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| 01:48.17 | ajavid | packet internet groper |
| 01:48.30 | ajavid | gropes internet packets (kinky) |
| 01:48.56 | benedikt | ajavid: using 0.0.0.0 in /etc/hosts to block something is not considered good practice. Look into what it does and use something else. |
| 01:49.01 | Dominicus | shakes his computer violently. |
| 01:49.14 | ajavid | benedikt, ok |
| 01:49.31 | ajavid | benedikt, thanks for the advice :) |
| 01:49.34 | Tramp | ... just hope I don't have to repeat my RFC 3330 bit of useless knowledge - benedikt: yeah. We got there already 3 hours ago |
| 01:49.42 | benedikt | linux handles it right. Windows does not. Its ok to use it on linux thouh. |
| 01:49.55 | ajavid | Tramp, which is why I took this route |
| 01:50.04 | ajavid | Tramp, I looked into the respective RFC |
| 01:50.13 | abrotman | wonder if #networking would be more help? |
| 01:50.15 | abrotman | or know more |
| 01:50.19 | ajavid | yeah, good idea |
| 01:50.37 | Dominicus | abrotman & xeon-enouf: I updated that /etc/nsswitch.conf file. Then started iceweasel and w3m to numerous new domain names that I've not been too today. And, I still got the slowness issue. |
| 01:50.40 | abrotman | or ##networking .. whatever it is |
| 01:50.49 | abrotman | Dominicus: i said it wouldn't help .. don't blame me |
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| 01:51.13 | Dominicus | abrotman: I didn't. I'm just up for trying anything at this point. |
| 01:51.21 | pppoe_dude | has anyone successfully got their mobility radeon hd 3400 series integrated graphics card working with acceleration? |
| 01:51.23 | abrotman | Dominicus: and FWIW, you might want to restore it to the way it was |
| 01:51.57 | Dominicus | abrotman: LOL. But of course. I don't need any NEW headaches. |
| 01:52.56 | abrotman | Dominicus: and you don't have any ipv6 stuff anywhere ? |
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| 01:53.45 | Andorin | Is there a package in the repos for installing Java Runtime Environment? |
| 01:53.54 | abrotman | !tell Andorin about install java |
| 01:54.01 | Andorin | I get dependency errors when I try to install the rpm from Java's site. |
| 01:54.49 | Dominicus | ponders this existence of Comcast's meddling with his dns resolution, as they just recently switched on the annoying "Let me take that bad domain name you entered, and run it through our pointless search engine web page... service". Seriously, who the fudge do they think they're helping by pushing that stupidness onto ALL of their clients. And even after you opt it, IT COMES RIGHT BACK. *Blows A Heart Valve* |
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| 01:55.28 | KC | Dominicus: I dropped them for fucking with my DNS |
| 01:55.54 | abrotman | Dominicus: you can opt out of that |
| 01:56.21 | Dominicus | abrotman: I don't intentionally have any ipv6 stuff going. Just an old WRX54GX4 wireless/router/nat device. No clear ipv6 anywheer in it. eh. |
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| 01:57.15 | Dominicus | abrotman: I meant to say that I DID "opt out", but it became a typo instead. I did it like two weeks ago. And the f'ing thing came back today. LOL. |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | cute |
| 01:57.42 | Dominicus | abrotman: I had confirmations of being opted out and everything, and it stopped annoying me too. |
| 01:57.55 | Dominicus | abrotman: Until TODAY! |
| 01:58.19 | objorn | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html mentions adding APT::Cache-Limit "8388608"; |
| 01:58.28 | objorn | to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 01:58.34 | objorn | which doesn't exist |
| 01:58.40 | objorn | i have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 01:59.14 | objorn | which has 01autoremove 70debconf |
| 01:59.18 | adb | objorn, touch /etc/apt/apt.conf , as root |
| 01:59.37 | abrotman | Dominicus: did you try a non-gecko browser yet ? |
| 01:59.56 | abrotman | objorn: you really don't want to mix stable with testing or usntable |
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| 02:00.16 | Dominicus | KC: I figure I'll just call Comcast up in the morning and chew them out for being like they are. But the sad fact is, where I'm at, they offer the most internet bang for the buck. Otherwise, I'd shit into an envelope, drop in my last monthly payment, and ship it to them with signature confirmation. |
| 02:00.42 | Dominicus | abrotman: Yeah, w3m, and konquerer. |
| 02:00.48 | objorn | abrotman: aww, why not? there are a few packages that i want from unstable |
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| 02:01.06 | Dominicus | abrotman: I'm assuming that w3m is gecko free that is. |
| 02:01.34 | abrotman | objorn: it will break |
| 02:01.38 | abrotman | Dominicus: same problem ? |
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| 02:06.53 | yggdrasil | hi, i think i need to go to a less stable version to fix an xorg problem here.. im on lenny, what would be the next step up ? |
| 02:07.46 | yggdrasil | etch ? |
| 02:08.12 | yggdrasil | ++++++++ |
| 02:08.16 | yggdrasil | - |
| 02:08.22 | yggdrasil | ./ |
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| 02:09.19 | yggdrasil | sorry, 9 month old got ahold of her keyboard |
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| 02:09.44 | Dominicus | abrotman: So, I've got confimed domain name lookup/resolution issues with iceweasel, w3m, links2 -g, and konquerer. I just tried getting to nbc.com for example, and it didn't break from the looking up blah blah for at least 11 seconds. If I were Bruce Banner right now, you wouldn't see me typing this. |
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| 02:10.13 | Dominicus | abrotman: I think I need to run dig some more from the laptop too, and test firefox some more from windows xp to make sure. |
| 02:10.16 | abrotman | Dominicus: you mean they're all slow ? |
| 02:10.28 | \amethyst | have you tried running your own caching nameserver? |
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| 02:11.15 | \amethyst | or do the ISPs mangle requests made to other nameservers, too? |
| 02:11.41 | Dominicus | abrotman: Yeah, it's a case of Most-Of-The-Time. I just keep trying new domain names I haven't been to in ages, and I get 3-11 seconds of lookup blah blah, before I even see a progress bar on the content or even the first elements of the page (like the text) being rendered. It all depends on the browser of course. |
| 02:13.01 | abrotman | Dominicus: are you on sid/unstable ? |
| 02:13.27 | Dominicus | \amethyst: No I haven't. But, I posed the question earlier, of what point would there be if all of my attempts at using the dig command directed to the two nameservers in my /etc/resolv.conf are configured to use were returning near optimal results anyway. I just don't get what I'm either doing wrong, where the monkey with the wicked pipe wrench is hiding at. |
| 02:13.32 | yggdrasil | whats the next version up from lenny ? to change my repos to do a dist-upgrade |
| 02:14.13 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:14.20 | Dominicus | abrotman: officially at testing, with a couple things dipping into unstable like OO.org 3 and maybe one or two other small items. But, it's mostly testing. |
| 02:14.38 | \amethyst | Dominicus: hm... what is the 'hosts' line from nsswitch.conf ? |
| 02:14.40 | Dominicus | yggdrasil: Yeah, why are you in a hurry to shoot yourself in the foor? |
| 02:14.41 | abrotman | Dominicus: i'm on squeeze on this machien, and i have epiphany, but no slowness |
| 02:14.45 | Dominicus | *foot |
| 02:14.55 | \amethyst | Dominicus: is it maybe trying mdns or something like that |
| 02:14.57 | \amethyst | ? |
| 02:15.21 | yggdrasil | well im on ppc version on an older 400mhz imac. so the problem im having is with xorg |
| 02:15.33 | yggdrasil | and its ... not something i can track down. |
| 02:15.39 | Dominicus | \amethyst: Don't think so. I temporarily set /etc/nsswitch.conf's hosts: entry to just files and dns, and there was no difference. |
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| 02:16.22 | abrotman | yggdrasil: so you think upgrading to a more usntable version is a good idea ? |
| 02:16.26 | yggdrasil | yes |
| 02:16.47 | yggdrasil | because the mailing lists ive read say that it works fine there |
| 02:17.01 | abrotman | which mailing lists ? |
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| 02:17.44 | Dominicus | abrotman: If yggdrasil's issue is with xorg, wouldn't yggdrasil be better off just installing xorg from unstable, that way he could come back if really needed (or at least it would be more possible to? |
| 02:17.50 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 02:18.05 | yggdrasil | well i dont know what to do |
| 02:18.05 | Dominicus | wants the easy answers. lol |
| 02:18.20 | yggdrasil | the people in #debianppc dont really know much about it either. |
| 02:18.31 | abrotman | yggdrasil: i asked you for a reference to this mailing list |
| 02:18.34 | yggdrasil | but abrotman has never steered me wrong. |
| 02:18.47 | yggdrasil | ahh abrotman im in cli right now cant get to that. |
| 02:18.58 | yggdrasil | ill come back when im a bit more prepared how does that sound |
| 02:19.13 | yggdrasil | but I could get you my pastebin from the xorg log ... want to see that ? |
| 02:19.26 | Dominicus | sounds like he doesn't really have a choice. =( |
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| 02:20.10 | abrotman | yggdrasil: i really wanted to see the mailing list .. |
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| 02:20.21 | yggdrasil | ahh ok ill bbl. |
| 02:20.22 | abrotman | !tell yggdrasil about lenny->squeeze |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | be careful of the current xorg transition .. have fun |
| 02:21.02 | Dominicus | abrotman: xorg transition? |
| 02:21.27 | abrotman | yes .. parts of a new xorg are entering squeeze |
| 02:22.42 | Dominicus | Ah... I'm curious if that has anything to do with why there isn't a 2.6.30 kernel build for the nvidia driver. And using m-a from the source package makes an incompatible/invalid kernel module. Fun stuff. |
| 02:23.22 | Dominicus | I've had to keep myself from adopting 2.6.30 because of the nvidia module being busted. =( |
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| 02:25.51 | yggdrasil | abrotman: I trust your judgment. and will wait till all other avenues are exausted |
| 02:26.29 | pickcoder | wouldn't trust abrotman with a dead plant |
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| 02:27.02 | abrotman | yggdrasil: it's up to you .. it was just a fair warning .. |
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| 02:29.42 | ajavid | abrotman, hopefully all of 7.4 in squeeze before release time |
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| 02:29.53 | abrotman | uh .. duh? |
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| 02:30.07 | ajavid | uh.. ok. |
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| 02:32.52 | ajavid | http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 <- according to this which I'm sure many people refer to, it isn't obvious and not a matter of 'duh'. |
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| 02:34.03 | ajavid | abrotman, also, you're an op. Act your position and your age, you're 30 some year old for fucks sake. Don't be nasty. |
| 02:34.03 | abrotman | i meant the "hopefully" part |
| 02:34.23 | mandyL | hello |
| 02:34.25 | ajavid | respect and honor. |
| 02:34.32 | abrotman | I wasn't nasty. |
| 02:34.39 | ajavid | 'duh' is condescending. |
| 02:34.42 | ajavid | universally. |
| 02:34.49 | abrotman | no wonder enouf won't talk to you anymore |
| 02:34.55 | ajavid | abrotman, you sure? |
| 02:34.58 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, hi babe. |
| 02:35.07 | simonrvn | i don't |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | oh, you kissed and made up .. how cute |
| 02:35.19 | ctmjr | ajavid: so is foul language |
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| 02:35.32 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 02:35.33 | ajavid | but good attempt at turning this around on me |
| 02:35.45 | ajavid | like said, act you position and age. Be mature and respectful. |
| 02:35.50 | abrotman | just go away |
| 02:35.56 | ajavid | just act right. |
| 02:36.28 | abrotman | yeah, says the guy who can't control his keyboard, can't stay ontopic, and can't go 10 minutes without a curse word |
| 02:36.41 | ajavid | I don't belittle people |
| 02:36.46 | abrotman | have a good night |
| 02:36.47 | ajavid | I dont try to make anyone feel small |
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| 02:36.57 | ajavid | ok |
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| 02:39.07 | zareliman | hello |
| 02:40.17 | zareliman | I've got an issue with glx and fglrx |
| 02:40.18 | abrotman | zareliman: i think there's still a problem with fglrx and the kernel in unstable |
| 02:40.35 | ajavid | zareliman, can you get away without using fglrx? |
| 02:40.45 | zareliman | I did a minimal sid isntal |
| 02:40.57 | zareliman | with the kernel bigmem for my 4gb ram |
| 02:41.11 | abrotman | zareliman: which card do you have? |
| 02:41.15 | zareliman | and I installed at first the fglrx drivers from the repositories |
| 02:41.18 | zareliman | HD4850 |
| 02:41.20 | Dominicus | abrotman: I can't recall who suggested OpenDNS (haven't figured out how to search through my irssi chat log yet). But, I switched to it, and all of my Comcast DNS headaches just went away. I'm still however interested in what mechanics are in play that are somehow allowing dig queries to be fast, while domain name lookups from web browsers are effectively increased by 3-11 seconds. |
| 02:41.37 | ajavid | Dominicus, read the open dns faq |
| 02:41.45 | zareliman | and then I built the package with the module assistant |
| 02:41.48 | ajavid | Dominicus, the answers are there. |
| 02:42.01 | zareliman | and installed following the typical guide |
| 02:42.02 | abrotman | Dominicus: wait, so the browser/dns issue is still there? but now you don't get the wildcard dns issue? |
| 02:42.05 | ajavid | Dominicus, multiple locations, loaded balanced across many locations |
| 02:42.21 | ajavid | Dominicus, query caching, proxying, etc. etc. on each node |
| 02:42.38 | abrotman | zareliman: does the radeonhd driver work for your carD? |
| 02:42.39 | ajavid | Dominicus, opendns is faster because of the way it was designed (again, read the faq) |
| 02:43.01 | Dominicus | ajavid: I don't see any faq for opendns |
| 02:43.03 | zareliman | nop, none of them, the rendering is very slow, even the windows move at 2fps |
| 02:43.07 | slidesinger | Running stable (lenny) on a laptop with a synaptic touchpad, which is working. I'm trying to find out where it is getting the config info from. There is nothing in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, that is an empty file. grep -ris touchpad returns nothing. |
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| 02:43.41 | Dominicus | abrotman: Yeah, because I switched nameservers from comcast's to opendns' nameservers, all the problems went away. There's a 10ms dig lookup hit, but I'll never feel that. |
| 02:43.44 | slidesinger | Any idea where the config is coming from? |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | slidesinger: Xorg probes the hardware and tries to make the best guess |
| 02:44.04 | ajavid | Dominicus, http://www.opendns.com/support/article/38 |
| 02:44.05 | zareliman | when I type fglrxinfo i get: X error of filed request: Badrequest (invalid request code or no such open) |
| 02:44.17 | slidesinger | But where is the config file? |
| 02:44.18 | abrotman | Dominicus: weird .. i don't have issues with their dns, and i think i'm using hte same as you |
| 02:44.24 | abrotman | slidesinger: there isn't one |
| 02:44.36 | ajavid | Dominicus, you have to do a bit of reading. |
| 02:44.38 | ajavid | :) |
| 02:44.39 | abrotman | slidesinger: you can create one that will work with xorg .. but it isn't required anymore |
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| 02:45.02 | Dominicus | ajavid: The way opendns has no relevence to my issue. Dig requests are perfectly fine to comcast, and better than opendns', it's when the 4-5 web browsers that I've used make the lookup request, is when 3-11 seconds are added on for no apparent reason. |
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| 02:45.46 | slidesinger | And if I want to customize? |
| 02:45.49 | zareliman | so if there's an issue in the sid kernel I should add the stable kernel ? |
| 02:45.55 | ajavid | Dominicus, how would I know. I saw you type I'm still however interested in what mechanics are in play that are somehow allowing dig queries to be fast, while domain name lookups from web browsers are effectively increased by 3-11 seconds. |
| 02:45.58 | zareliman | and try that ? |
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| 02:46.13 | cusco | hi |
| 02:46.21 | ajavid | Dominicus, after which I simply told how some of the meachanics involed in why your opendns experience is faster |
| 02:46.54 | ajavid | I'm not sure what I misunderstood? |
| 02:47.21 | abrotman | He said, dig isn't actually faster, but now the browsers work |
| 02:47.24 | Dominicus | ajavid: Right, but I've been going on about this issue for like the last 45-60 minutes now. I'm just curious as to what Comcast is doing to screw things up for everyone. OpenDNS's infrastructure doesn't have any bearing on that. It's no biggie. |
| 02:47.49 | ajavid | oh I see |
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| 02:47.59 | ajavid | I thought you were asking that in context of opendns |
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| 02:48.19 | wwebspudd | zareliman, hey |
| 02:48.26 | Dominicus | ajavid: That's what I meant, by mechanics. Because they're being stupid. I was just curios as to how they're achieving MONUMENTALLY stupid activities with DNS as of late. |
| 02:48.30 | wwebspudd | zareliman, I use fglrx maybe I can help |
| 02:48.45 | zareliman | wwebspudd |
| 02:48.54 | ajavid | Dominicus, verizon is no different |
| 02:49.11 | wwebspudd | zareliman, when I was experiencing really poor xorg performance, xorg was not configured to use fglrx yet |
| 02:49.11 | Dominicus | ajavid: Hmmm. Somehow, I'm not comforted by that though. LOL |
| 02:49.13 | abrotman | Dominicus: but i told you, i use the browsers you use, and use the comcast dns .. no issues here |
| 02:49.18 | ajavid | I switch to opendns due to abrotman 3 years ago in new york (when I had verizon and was unable to resolve debian mirrors) |
| 02:49.23 | zareliman | I configured xorg |
| 02:49.29 | ajavid | Dominicus, I wasn't expecting you to be :) |
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| 02:49.41 | zareliman | and changed under Device the driver from radeonhd to fglrx |
| 02:49.47 | wwebspudd | zareliman, did you use the aticonfig tool? |
| 02:49.53 | zareliman | nope |
| 02:49.55 | zareliman | manual config |
| 02:49.59 | Dominicus | abrotman: I didn't see where you mentioned that you were using comcast. Did you opt out of the bad domain name thing, and is it still holding for you? |
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| 02:50.09 | zareliman | following several guides i found |
| 02:50.12 | abrotman | Dominicus: oh wait .. i do have different dns servers .. but they are the comcast ones |
| 02:50.18 | wwebspudd | zareliman, aticonfig changed my xorg.conf file for me and configured everything correctly |
| 02:50.34 | ajavid | does anyone here know of a VPS or Dedicated 'managed' hosting with Debian Lenny? |
| 02:50.38 | wwebspudd | zareliman, you should check that xorg is actually using fglrx |
| 02:50.41 | ajavid | I don't want an unmanaged server |
| 02:50.41 | zareliman | what kernel are you running ? |
| 02:50.50 | abrotman | Dominicus: i guess i'm on a different subnet |
| 02:51.03 | wwebspudd | Linux debianamd64 2.6.30-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Aug 15 18:09:19 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:51.03 | ajavid | I can't seem to find any... most of the big webhosts are using centos on thier managed servers |
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| 02:51.09 | abrotman | !hosting |
| 02:51.09 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
| 02:51.11 | benjamindees | ajavid: managed vps? |
| 02:51.12 | ajavid | I want debian |
| 02:51.14 | ajavid | oh beautiful! |
| 02:51.21 | ajavid | abrotman, life saver |
| 02:51.27 | wwebspudd | zareliman, I also used the module assistant to compile and install the module |
| 02:51.27 | ajavid | benjamindees, yes ... :) |
| 02:51.33 | abrotman | use at your own risk .. it's a wiki |
| 02:51.34 | ajavid | a managed vps... |
| 02:51.36 | zareliman | I did the same stuff |
| 02:51.52 | zareliman | someone told me the sid kernel has an issue with fglrx |
| 02:51.54 | wwebspudd | zareliman, do you know how to check that xorg is really using fglrx driver? |
| 02:51.54 | Dominicus | abrotman: I'm out of Detroit, Michigan. So for all I know, it could just be localized idiocy at Comcast. They did roll out that stupid bad domain name search engine BS in regional chunks. For all I know, what I'm experiencing may be the result of a "Fantastic New Upgrade/Value Added Service" *coughs "Disservice" instead* |
| 02:52.02 | zareliman | with the log ? |
| 02:52.09 | zareliman | or with fglrx info ? |
| 02:52.13 | ajavid | lol, no not a managed vps man c'mon. a managed dedicated with lenny, or a vps hosting with lenny but i check now the wiki |
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| 02:52.21 | wwebspudd | zareliman, mine doesn't, it works fine |
| 02:52.27 | abrotman | Dominicus: no, i have it here .. but it's not slow .. |
| 02:52.31 | maxagaz | HI |
| 02:52.34 | ajavid | in north america that is |
| 02:52.40 | markybob | abrotman, https://dns-opt-out.comcast.net/ |
| 02:52.47 | wwebspudd | zareliman, with those or maybe xdpyinfo |
| 02:52.51 | maxagaz | how to use find and sed to make a replacement recursively ? |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | markybob: i'm aware .. doesn't bother me .. |
| 02:53.03 | ajavid | maxagaz, what are you trying to do |
| 02:53.08 | dkr | maxagaz: find -exec |
| 02:53.16 | abrotman | markybob: i'm not happy they're doing it .. but i rarely mistype URLs .. so it rarely affects me |
| 02:53.17 | zareliman | should i paste you the log ? |
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| 02:53.52 | maxagaz | ajavid, i'm trying to replace foo by bar in all the files of a directory and its subdirectories recursively |
| 02:53.56 | benjamindees | ajavid, I used JVDS for a long time until the company got bought out and went to pot |
| 02:54.00 | wwebspudd | zareliman, put it on pastebin or similar, then you can link anyone |
| 02:54.05 | ajavid | maxagaz, rename |
| 02:54.09 | ajavid | maxagaz, man rename |
| 02:54.22 | Dominicus | markybob: That URL is sacrilege. In fact never mention that ever on IRC ever again. LOL (Recalls the Mr. Coffee Forward/Rewind bit of Dark Helmet crashing into the gunner station at Ludacris speed) |
| 02:54.34 | ajavid | maxagaz, maybe.. |
| 02:54.42 | maxagaz | dkr, ajavid? |
| 02:54.52 | maxagaz | ajavid, rename? |
| 02:54.56 | maxagaz | (sorry) |
| 02:54.57 | wwebspudd | zareliman, also, grab a program called fgl_glxgears. It's a good test program to make sure fglrx is working. |
| 02:55.07 | markybob | Dominicus, how is it sacrilege? and i'm glad you're laughing at yourself...no one else is laughing with you |
| 02:55.25 | zareliman | I have that |
| 02:55.25 | wwebspudd | zareliman, I would also back up your xorg.conf and use the aticonfig tool |
| 02:55.28 | maxagaz | dkr, i'm tried this find ./ -type f -exec sed -i âs/string1/string2/â {} \; but unsuccessfully |
| 02:55.34 | zareliman | http://paste.debian.net/46471/ |
| 02:55.35 | zareliman | there |
| 02:55.54 | ajavid | maxagaz, or find / -name 'foo' -exec sed 's/foo/bar/' {} \; |
| 02:56.06 | ajavid | or type file i guess |
| 02:56.21 | ajavid | oh you alreday typed it |
| 02:56.27 | zareliman | I will paste you my xorg conf yoo |
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| 02:57.35 | maxagaz | ajavid, that works :) thanks! |
| 02:57.35 | wwebspudd | zareliman, your xdpyinfo is indicating that xorg is not loading the correct modules for fglrx to work |
| 02:58.04 | zareliman | my xorg http://paste.debian.net/46472/ |
| 02:58.05 | dsdeiz | it works without the '-i' in 'sed'? |
| 02:58.28 | ajavid | maxagaz, you're welcome |
| 02:59.13 | zareliman | so where did I go wrong ? |
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| 02:59.41 | ajavid | 09:55 < maxagaz> dkr, i'm tried this find ./ -type f -exec sed -i 's/string1/string2/' {} \; but unsuccessfully |
| 02:59.58 | ajavid | maxagaz, tip: you only specified the type to search for is file |
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| 03:00.08 | ajavid | maxagaz, you never told it to look for files containing the name 'foo' |
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| 03:00.17 | ajavid | maxagaz, also you should man sed and man find |
| 03:01.09 | zareliman | wwebspudd, I realized that my xorg.conf was indeed configured by aticonfig tool |
| 03:01.30 | wwebspudd | zareliman, yes I see that |
| 03:01.44 | wwebspudd | is the fglrx module loaded? |
| 03:01.55 | maxagaz | ajavid, what i need is actually this: find ./ -type f -exec sed -i 's/bar/foo/' {} \; |
| 03:02.00 | zareliman | how to check that ? |
| 03:02.05 | wwebspudd | zareliman, lsmod | grep gl |
| 03:02.20 | ajavid | I dunno |
| 03:02.29 | ajavid | I been up for a long time and haven't slept... 2days almost |
| 03:02.36 | ajavid | i can't think :) |
| 03:02.44 | wwebspudd | ajavid, go to sleep! |
| 03:02.49 | maxagaz | ajavid, but i don't understand why it doesn't replace bar when bar is at the end of a line |
| 03:02.57 | zareliman | I get: fglrx 2121920 3 |
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| 03:03.27 | zareliman | second line: agpgart 30860 3 fglrx, intel_agp |
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| 03:03.57 | zareliman | thatÅ werid because my card is a pciex one, intel mobo |
| 03:04.09 | wwebspudd | zareliman, this is weird, I don't use agpgart |
| 03:04.12 | maxagaz | ajavid, it's ok, i needed a /g to replace all |
| 03:04.18 | maxagaz | ajavid, the occurences |
| 03:05.15 | wwebspudd | zareliman, when you run fgl_glxgears do you see gears or just a black screen? |
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| 03:06.08 | zareliman | wwebspudd, cant run, I get the same error than when i run fglrxinfo |
| 03:06.26 | wwebspudd | zareliman, ok.. interesting. |
| 03:06.34 | benjamindees | that's nice that iceweasel doesn't have that same stupid combined forward/back button as windows firefox |
| 03:06.53 | zareliman | wwebspudd, Im kinda new in debian however didnt have this issue in ubuntu |
| 03:06.55 | abrotman | probably not the same version |
| 03:06.56 | ajavid | benjamindees, by default no, but you can make it |
| 03:07.08 | benjamindees | ajavid, believe me it's fine |
| 03:07.10 | ajavid | benjamindees, and why would you ever want to use the back/forward buttons? |
| 03:07.20 | ajavid | ever heard of mouse gestures :) |
| 03:07.22 | zareliman | wwebspudd, anyway i want to stay in debian, much faster |
| 03:07.35 | ajavid | hold right button and drag back or forth on page |
| 03:07.50 | ajavid | no more trying to fiddle for the back button or right click and then choose back |
| 03:07.50 | benjamindees | I'm not up to it on a touchpad :) |
| 03:07.55 | ajavid | benjamindees, ahhh, word |
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| 03:08.01 | GhostlyDeath | Mouse Gestures? |
| 03:08.03 | ajavid | benjamindees, alt+<- |
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| 03:08.17 | GhostlyDeath | Why would you ever need those when you can speak to your Debian installation |
| 03:08.24 | ajavid | benjamindees, very close to the touch pad |
| 03:09.23 | ajavid | GhostlyDeath, and your speech recognition is 100% immaculate? |
| 03:09.23 | benjamindees | not useful when browsing one-handed... |
| 03:09.43 | ajavid | GhostlyDeath, which engine are you using? |
| 03:10.04 | ajavid | GhostlyDeath, or you are just chiming in :) |
| 03:10.05 | GhostlyDeath | ajavid: My theoretical engine |
| 03:10.13 | ajavid | ahh, chiming. word :) |
| 03:10.17 | GhostlyDeath | ajavid: It's all thought and no code |
| 03:10.20 | wwebspudd | zareliman, if you are new to debian, I would recommend you try using the stable or testing distributions rather than the unstable. I don't think this is the cause of your current problem, but you will avoid many future problems if you use a safer distribution. |
| 03:10.25 | GhostlyDeath | Windows has it so why not Linux? |
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| 03:11.03 | ajavid | it has it |
| 03:11.09 | ajavid | who says we don't have speech recognition |
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| 03:11.27 | wwebspudd | zareliman, I'm fond of testing because it has a very good mix of stability and new software. |
| 03:12.13 | ajavid | CVoiceControl is a speech recognition system that enables a user to connect spoken commands to unix commands. It automagically detects speech input from a microphone, performs recognition on this input and - in case of successful recognition - executes the associated unix command. |
| 03:12.38 | ajavid | http://www.kiecza.net/daniel/linux/cvoicecontrol/index.html |
| 03:12.56 | ajavid | http://www.kiecza.net/daniel/linux/cvoicecontrol/index-3.html#ss3.4 <- Speech Recognizer |
| 03:13.01 | zareliman | wwebspudd, I have a squeze's image too |
| 03:14.00 | ajavid | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2077 <- Dragon naturally speaking under wine |
| 03:14.06 | ajavid | with a couple of issues |
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| 03:14.44 | ajavid | Gnome-Voice-Control is a dialogue system to control the GNOME Desktop. It is developed on Google Summer of Code 2007. |
| 03:14.58 | ajavid | http://live.gnome.org/GnomeVoiceControl |
| 03:15.12 | wwebspudd | zareliman, like i say tho, I'm not saying that using another distribution will fix this particular problem. for now I would try to diagnose this problem a bit more and fix it in your current distribution. |
| 03:15.48 | ajavid | benjamindees, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/879 |
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| 03:16.01 | ajavid | benjamindees, there are also emacs like bindings for firefox |
| 03:16.14 | ajavid | Mouseless Browsing 0.5.2.1 <- what I told you of |
| 03:16.15 | zareliman | wwebspudd, so I have to wait |
| 03:16.32 | zareliman | wwebspudd, do you need more info about my system ? |
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| 03:17.17 | ajavid | benjamindees, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/11349 No Mouse 1.1 |
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| 03:17.50 | ajavid | benjamindees, that is, if the firefox keyboard shortcuts are not already enough |
| 03:18.17 | dsdeiz | !forum | dsdeiz |
| 03:18.24 | ajavid | dsdeiz, /msg dpkg forums |
| 03:18.38 | dsdeiz | thanks |
| 03:18.47 | Blyber_Burnett | Whenever I connect any media to my PC, be it a USB zip drive, or a blank CD for writing, I get errors about the file system in dmsg. CDs will partially write, and then fail half way through. Does anyone have some insight on what I should be looking into, or some good google search terms for this? |
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| 03:19.50 | wwebspudd | zareliman, I'm not knowledgeable enough to diagnose your problem right now. I was thinking you had a certain problem because of your description however your configuration seems to be ok and your module seems to be loaded. |
| 03:20.03 | Tux^verdreifelt | zareliman: the unstable distribution is stable enough for private use (given that you regularly update, like a cronjob or something, as i do).. however the chance that some features are in stable but not in unstable is quite low :)) |
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| 03:21.37 | wwebspudd | maybe someone knows if ATI provide IRC support for fglrx as nvidia do for their linux driver. |
| 03:21.58 | ajavid | no |
| 03:22.05 | ajavid | there is unofficial support only in #ati |
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| 03:23.40 | ajavid | Tux^verdreifelt, you're upgrading unstable with a cron job? |
| 03:23.45 | ajavid | Tux^verdreifelt, mad man!! :) |
| 03:24.45 | zeroConf | anyone know if you can setup webdav without any authentication at all ? |
| 03:24.56 | zeroConf | ie, to accept blank username and password |
| 03:25.05 | ajavid | zeroConf, why even have a username password... |
| 03:25.12 | ajavid | zeroConf, read the docs, its all there |
| 03:25.38 | ajavid | I myself just hooked all this up recently, using the docs |
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| 03:27.40 | zeroConf | wickid ajavid - ill do some more reading, basically i came accross this issue where outlook calanders does not send a username and password... |
| 03:27.43 | zeroConf | which is shitting me |
| 03:27.49 | zeroConf | i was thinking i dont know windows so much |
| 03:27.51 | zeroConf | sooooo |
| 03:27.51 | GhostlyDeath | language! |
| 03:28.05 | ajavid | fuck the language |
| 03:28.12 | zeroConf | maybe its possible to do webdav without password / username |
| 03:28.16 | eduardomacias | Enter text here...hola yaliyi |
| 03:28.23 | GhostlyDeath | You cannot have sex with language, it is no tangible |
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| 03:28.30 | zeroConf | but i gotta say... i would rather that i could use u/p |
| 03:28.32 | zareliman | wwebspudd, the I will post at the forums |
| 03:28.33 | ajavid | just don't belittle people or try to make them feel small. Other than that, fuck fuckity fuck and you're fine. |
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| 03:28.38 | money | heh |
| 03:28.40 | zareliman | wwebspudd, then* I will post at the forums |
| 03:28.40 | zeroConf | i dont suppose you came across the same issue did you ajavid ? |
| 03:28.41 | ajavid | also don't name call :) |
| 03:28.44 | ajavid | zeroConf, nope |
| 03:28.49 | ajavid | works all a-ok here buddy |
| 03:28.54 | GhostlyDeath | ajavid: Well, you have to make them feel small so they can buy stuff to make them bigger |
| 03:29.05 | wwebspudd | zareliman, sorry I wish I could help more, but it appears you have everything configured correctly. |
| 03:29.21 | zareliman | wwebspudd, what info should I provide at my forum's post ? |
| 03:29.40 | wwebspudd | zareliman, also, try #ati and see if their unofficial support is any good. They would be VERY knowledgeable to help you |
| 03:29.46 | wwebspudd | zareliman, provide all of the info |
| 03:29.58 | wwebspudd | zareliman, everything. Don't leave anything out. |
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| 03:30.14 | zeroConf | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841215/en-us |
| 03:30.19 | ajavid | AAAH! |
| 03:30.21 | zeroConf | ajavid... that link was for you... |
| 03:30.25 | ajavid | no microsoft links in here! oooh! |
| 03:30.32 | ajavid | zeroConf, I know, I read it before |
| 03:30.38 | ajavid | zeroConf, top google result |
| 03:30.52 | zareliman | wwebspudd, I would try the radeonhd drivers but they seem not to work under HD4xxx |
| 03:30.59 | zeroConf | but you didnt mod the client at all ? |
| 03:31.07 | zeroConf | just found a better way to config the server ? |
| 03:31.16 | ajavid | I'm a pretty much noob, so I follow tutorials |
| 03:31.28 | ajavid | I can't remember which, but it didn't work. So I said to myself... screw this |
| 03:31.30 | zareliman | wwebspudd, I read there's was no 3d rendering support yet |
| 03:31.43 | zeroConf | and then you read the man page for webdav ? |
| 03:31.57 | wwebspudd | the only ones I am familiar with are the fglrx |
| 03:31.57 | ajavid | I hit up the docs and voila, initially it is set to be anonymous access unless you set the htpasswd file and tell it to require valid users or require user foo |
| 03:32.10 | wwebspudd | they work well for me, I play quakelive with them |
| 03:32.30 | zeroConf | so i need to figure out the homepage for apache22 webdave module so i can find the docs |
| 03:32.34 | wwebspudd-afk | good luck |
| 03:32.43 | zeroConf | but i understand what your saying |
| 03:32.46 | zeroConf | so ill try that first up |
| 03:33.01 | ajavid | look |
| 03:33.33 | benjamindees | is the pci domain the first number in lspci output ? |
| 03:33.37 | ajavid | when you install it, it is anonymous. you have to enable one of 3 auth types, and then set the auth in the password file and then load the pw file path in there and etc. etc. |
| 03:33.46 | zeroConf | apac tab ctl restart |
| 03:33.49 | ajavid | you have to enable the auth type you want to use's apache2 module |
| 03:33.49 | zareliman | wwebspudd, whatÅ your 3d card ? |
| 03:34.19 | ajavid | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/285 |
| 03:34.23 | ajavid | WebDAV on Apache2 |
| 03:34.47 | ajavid | Now we need to set up an authentication scheme, because we don't want just anyone editting our website. |
| 03:34.50 | ajavid | ... |
| 03:35.25 | benjamindees | nope it's the second number |
| 03:36.01 | zeroConf | :-) |
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| 03:40.44 | dhodgkin | what's a good recommendation for an identd replacement? |
| 03:41.10 | ajavid | oidentd/pidentd |
| 03:41.13 | ajavid | either |
| 03:41.22 | dhodgkin | thanks bro |
| 03:41.25 | ajavid | yup |
| 03:41.51 | ajavid | I think one of them allows a ~/.net something conf file where you can specify a custom ident response (fakeident) |
| 03:41.57 | ajavid | instead of your true username |
| 03:42.29 | zeroConf | fixed thanks ajavid :-) |
| 03:42.40 | ajavid | zeroConf, welcome |
| 03:42.58 | ajavid | zeroConf, docs > * |
| 03:43.16 | ajavid | zeroConf, reading is fun :) too |
| 03:43.34 | zeroConf | hell yea |
| 03:43.53 | zeroConf | docs > howto == TRUE |
| 03:44.02 | zeroConf | docs > howto = TRUE |
| 03:44.03 | zeroConf | lol |
| 03:44.19 | dhodgkin | oidentd allows that |
| 03:44.33 | ajavid | then thats the one I use ... I think |
| 03:44.39 | ajavid | if i use one. |
| 03:46.03 | zeroConf | oidentd is the one i found installed in a rootkit with eggdrop..... |
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| 03:48.03 | ajavid | zeroConf, sorry. didnt mean to put it there :) |
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| 03:48.56 | jzmer | is the use of cid postscript fonts in debian some ancient history? |
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| 03:58.40 | rigel | hi |
| 03:58.41 | dhodgkin | ajavid: it didn't allow the string I put in, but /whois me look at my ident response |
| 03:59.09 | rigel | i want to run a script upin connection to a particular wifi SSID, can anyone point me at something to get me started? |
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| 04:00.23 | benjamindees | xorg now ignores the DRI mode of 0666 in xorg.conf ? |
| 04:01.08 | money | heh |
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| 04:07.14 | zeroConf | thats ok ajavid - i got root on about a hundred a fifty boxes thanks to that rootkit that i found, it was being used to hack other boxes, and guess what, it had kept all the details in a nice little db on the box i was looking at... goldmine of new accounts |
| 04:07.45 | GhostlyDeath | zeroConf: Linux roots? |
| 04:07.48 | GhostlyDeath | or Windows roots? |
| 04:08.17 | GhostlyDeath | With some systems you can sudo without a password, those are easy to take over |
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| 04:10.49 | Mistique | is the Centrino2 under the x86 architecture |
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| 04:11.46 | zeroConf | ghostly - they were linux roots... its a while ago now.... |
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| 04:14.07 | benjamindees | hmm I forget... is 'strace glxgears' a bad idea to run? |
| 04:16.42 | money | heh |
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| 05:06.54 | caracal | i have scoured the aptitude docs, and i cannot for the life of me find out what the "{}" flags listed after packages during an install/upgrade/purge/whatever ... i've figured out that {a} means "automatic install to satisfy dependency", but can't quite tell what {u} means ... something like "unreferenced" or whatever? |
| 05:07.07 | caracal | and where are those documented, so i can find them for myself in the future? |
| 05:07.34 | stew | caracal: uninatsll automatically installed package which is no longer needed |
| 05:07.49 | caracal | ahhh |
| 05:07.57 | caracal | i had hoped it was something like that |
| 05:08.01 | caracal | thank you veddy much |
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| 05:09.00 | caracal | are those documented anywhere? |
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| 05:10.01 | stew | i don't know of anywhere |
| 05:10.43 | caracal | well all righty then! <g> |
| 05:10.52 | caracal | thanks for the confirmation, stew |
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| 05:11.57 | alinux | hi I did generate a CSR and sent it to a client so he can purchase a certifcate, I did generate it on the clients server, however I would like to know the contents of the csr is that possible ? |
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| 05:19.21 | slidesinger | This is really a pain. Trying to get gsynaptics working. No matter what I try I get the message GSynaptics couldn't initialize. You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf. Also seems that this is deprecated and I should use shmconfig.fdi with hal. I have tried both. |
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| 05:19.51 | slidesinger | Is this a broken package in stable? |
| 05:20.06 | dkay | Good Morning debian# Someone there who can help me with "nullmailer" ? |
| 05:20.21 | dkay | I dont know how to configure this application |
| 05:20.52 | dkay | Didnt found any tutorials |
| 05:21.11 | [gnubie] | i have ip aliases on my physical interface. eth0 is 192.168.1.10 ; eth0:1 is 192.168.1.11 ; eth0:2 is 192.168.1.12 ; eth0:3 is 192.168.1.13 . i want to ping to from any of the ip addresses mentioned to 192.168.1.25. how can i do that? please advice. thanks. |
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| 05:23.43 | conjurer | to from? |
| 05:24.22 | conjurer | so both ways? |
| 05:24.50 | conjurer | external should do it anyhow unless you changed it in a firewall |
| 05:25.55 | mischief | er - an anyone help me out real fast? i seem to have no root user for MySQL.. |
| 05:25.57 | Arrowmaster | [gnubie]: ping -I interface address, its in the ping man page |
| 05:26.08 | conjurer | internal will need the interface setting |
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| 05:26.51 | [gnubie] | Arrowmaster: yeah, i found it already. thanks.. ;) |
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| 05:29.36 | nsgn | goodeve. i'm tracking an issue where a server of mine is seeming to pause (cpu goes to 100%) every few seconds. upon investigating top "PDFLUSH" is eating 99% of cpu every few seconds. the heck is this and why is it doing this? |
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| 05:30.11 | nsgn | googling tells me it has to do with writing out to disk from caches. this is a moderately disk writing heavy server. how can i at least lower the priority of this safely. it's murdering the real-time needing actual server processes |
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| 05:32.59 | nsgn | i see that pdflush can be disabled, but it's clearly there for a reason. |
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| 05:33.21 | nsgn | it's just causing several second long hiccups at times. this is not a low powered system, it's just somehow chewing it's dual core CPU out for seconds at a time as it pleases |
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| 05:36.42 | benjamindees | nsgn, looks like lots of similar stuff to that on google |
| 05:37.11 | nsgn | yeah. i cant figure how to handle it though from any of the google results |
| 05:37.35 | benjamindees | is this a stock Debian system? Lenny? |
| 05:37.47 | nsgn | yes. stock debian lenny |
| 05:37.53 | nsgn | running zoneminder |
| 05:38.24 | nsgn | with 9 cameras at relatively low framerate. when pdflush isnt murdering the system it runs at about 50% CPU. its a dual core |
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| 05:41.45 | jigp | hello good afternoon. squid users here? i have 25 users. just want to ask what is the best number to put on redirect_children? by |
| 05:41.48 | jigp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:44.33 | benjamindees | nsgn: I would try 'echo 200 >/proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs' |
| 05:44.44 | benjamindees | and see if that helps |
| 05:44.58 | nsgn | benjamindees: what does that do? |
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| 05:46.10 | benjamindees | nsgn, that tells the pdflush process to wake up more often |
| 05:46.50 | nsgn | benjamindees: it safely reversable? what's the default |
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| 05:47.26 | benjamindees | http://www.westnet.com/~gsmith/content/linux-pdflush.htm |
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| 05:47.40 | benjamindees | the default is 500 which is every 5 seconds |
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| 05:51.17 | benjamindees | apparently pdflush is in the process of being replaced |
| 05:51.39 | nsgn | benjamindees: i hope. this is retarded |
| 05:51.48 | nsgn | benjamindees: when will that happen? |
| 05:52.25 | nsgn | benjamindees: is this a side effect of my disk not accepting writes at the speeds zoneminder is demanding, or do all writes go through it? |
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| 05:54.29 | benjamindees | no it has to do with the kernel and it's caching |
| 05:54.35 | benjamindees | what filesystem are you using? |
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| 05:55.33 | benjamindees | linux requires some tuning to use it for video capture |
| 05:56.14 | nsgn | benjamindees: ext2 for os and data drive |
| 05:56.19 | nsgn | *drives |
| 05:56.34 | nsgn | benjamindees: experimented with ext3 but had a slight performance hit |
| 05:56.49 | benjamindees | yeah ext2 is much better |
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| 05:57.01 | benjamindees | well I would play around with the suggestions on that page |
| 05:57.19 | nsgn | well, it was doing ok for about 5 minutes after i got it back (mysteriously crashed hard for the first time EVER...the whole os) |
| 05:57.26 | nsgn | now pdflush is creeping back up |
| 05:57.28 | nsgn | eating cycles |
| 05:57.28 | jaggz | anyone know how to get Xine to play h264 videos in debian? mplayer plays them fine |
| 05:57.47 | nsgn | however it seems to be somewhat milder after your change |
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| 05:57.52 | jaggz | (but I want an interface which lets me zoom properly since mplayer isn't allowing it) |
| 05:58.00 | nsgn | awh crap, spoke too soon |
| 05:58.13 | nsgn | benjamindees: it's getting pegged 100% every 10 to 30 seconds now |
| 05:58.14 | tazle_ | how could I find out which netfilter extended matcher modules are included in the Debian stock kernel? |
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| 05:59.16 | benjamindees | nsgn, this article talks about replacing pdflush: http://lwn.net/Articles/325485/ |
| 05:59.51 | benjamindees | nsgn, I believe it's gone from 2.6.31 |
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| 06:01.41 | nsgn | benjamindees: is 2.6.31 stable? |
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| 06:03.23 | benjamindees | I have not used it |
| 06:03.33 | nsgn | benjamindees: i mean is it declared to be so |
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| 06:03.52 | nsgn | i dont track kerenel progress too closely |
| 06:04.04 | stew | nsgn: kernel.org would tell you |
| 06:04.44 | nsgn | though i actually just implemented some changes from that other page you gave me, about optimizing pdflush, and things are significantly better |
| 06:05.08 | nsgn | it's only pegging every few minutes now, and the rest of the system somehow responds during it |
| 06:05.23 | nsgn | ! a cat ran by on camera :) |
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| 06:05.39 | nsgn | pretty much just stuck his butt in the license plate camera. nice |
| 06:06.04 | benjamindees | 2.6.31 is the latest stable but actually it may not be removed in there yet |
| 06:06.19 | nsgn | yeah, it seems to state it's stable but i can't find for sure if it's in there or not |
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| 06:07.25 | nsgn | benjamindees: i'm currently "2.6.26-1-686" |
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| 06:08.09 | tazle_ | hm, apparently from the manpage, and apparently I'm here twice |
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| 06:09.37 | nsgn | benjamindees: and google isn't giving me a definate on pdflush in the new stable. i get the impression it's still there |
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| 06:11.43 | benjamindees | I think so too. It's in git at least. |
| 06:12.04 | nsgn | hmm? |
| 06:12.17 | benjamindees | I mean it's gone in git but I wouldn't be able to tell you how to build a working kernel from that |
| 06:12.38 | nsgn | i'm not going to try. this is an in-service server |
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| 06:13.04 | nsgn | only reason i'm playing with it as much as i am right now is because it's being quite unusable at times |
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| 06:15.29 | M0L0ToV | hi to all, i have a problem with virtualbox: Codice d'uscita: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) Componente: Machine Interfaccia: IMachine {540dcfda-3df2-49c6-88fa-033a28c2ff85} |
| 06:15.35 | M0L0ToV | someone can help me? |
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| 06:17.50 | bpun | M0L0ToV, sounds like linux hates italians :) |
| 06:17.59 | benjamindees | actually this will work if you want to test it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild |
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| 06:18.10 | benjamindees | it's gone if you build from the git source |
| 06:18.13 | M0L0ToV | bpun: oh yeah! :D |
| 06:18.15 | nsgn | benjamindees: hmm *clicks* |
| 06:18.53 | nsgn | benjamindees: does it matter that that is about ubuntu, and i'm obviously on debian lenny? |
| 06:19.48 | benjamindees | not that I can tell |
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| 06:20.10 | saebbi__ | i'm using pulseaudio+alsa on my debian server (no x).. what options do i have for volume control? the volume in alsamixer is maxed out, but it seems to me that the output should be way louder than it is |
| 06:20.15 | bpun | ubuntu sucks |
| 06:20.17 | saebbi__ | where else can i check? |
| 06:20.18 | nsgn | benjamindees: i'm duplicating the os drive. in about 2 minutes i can come back up and make changes with no consequence if it fails |
| 06:20.24 | nsgn | benjamindees: so i'm just going to freaking try that |
| 06:20.32 | nsgn | because it's 1am and why not ;) |
| 06:20.35 | nsgn | who needs sleep... |
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| 06:20.53 | nsgn | benjamindees: so it's certainly gone from that kernel? |
| 06:21.18 | nsgn | and i won't have a problem building other things against the kernel? vmware modules and the like? |
| 06:21.29 | benjamindees | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=a12e4d304ce701844c639541d90df86e165d03f9 |
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| 06:21.34 | nsgn | ah well, nevermind. if i do i'm ok |
| 06:21.36 | nsgn | i'll just fall back |
| 06:21.41 | nsgn | takes just 8 minutes :) |
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| 06:22.12 | benjamindees | yeah I would only use this for testing basically |
| 06:22.46 | nsgn | benjamindees: well..this is a production server. if it works is there a reason not to operate with it? |
| 06:22.53 | nsgn | it does just one thing. zoneminder |
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| 06:23.32 | benjamindees | obviously it could have some other bugs that may not manifest immediately |
| 06:23.43 | NoCode | Anyone know of a tutorial, or if there's a Debian lenny repo out there to install the newest empathy/ telepathy? |
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| 06:24.39 | nsgn | ok, firing up for the install. safe backup is made |
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| 06:25.34 | NoCode | Looks like empathy is a pain in the ass to compile |
| 06:25.37 | benjamindees | building a kernel takes a while you know |
| 06:25.41 | bpun | markyboob |
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| 06:27.22 | nsgn | benjamindees: yeah. hopefully it wont take forever. i've got a bit of power behind this thing cpu wise. we'll see how it goes |
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| 06:28.58 | dkay | debian: how to create the desktopbutton or menubutton ? |
| 06:29.07 | dkay | for an installed application |
| 06:29.08 | dkay | ? |
| 06:29.29 | necro\ | dkay: its not showing up? |
| 06:29.55 | nsgn | benjamindees: "couldn't find package zlib1g-dev" |
| 06:29.56 | dkay | no, i installed konqueror via apt-get and all neccessary tools but there is no icon |
| 06:29.57 | necro\ | i always make sure to have both menu and menu-xdg packages in and it wraps all the different stuffs into one place quite nicely usually |
| 06:30.02 | nsgn | benjamindees: from apt-get |
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| 06:30.25 | necro\ | yeah install those packages and run update-menu and then killall gnome-panel |
| 06:30.41 | dkay | update-menu |
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| 06:30.50 | dkay | im using fvwm |
| 06:30.54 | necro\ | or menus |
| 06:30.54 | dkay | is it the same? |
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| 06:31.16 | necro\ | dunno try `dpkg -l menu-xdg|grep ii` |
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| 06:31.41 | dkay | ive installed several time swf plugin but my firefox wont work, i hope ill fix it with konqeror |
| 06:32.06 | benjamindees | nsgn, hmm, 'apt-get update' ?? |
| 06:32.14 | NoCode | Is there any easier way to get the newest empathy in lenny? I don't want to compile it. :( |
| 06:32.31 | necro\ | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=fvwm+add+menu+entry&aq=f&oq=&aqi= try the third one down; make a note of the search terms |
| 06:32.37 | necro\ | good place to start |
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| 06:35.10 | kandpel | not able to print in abiword. everytime i try to 'print' or 'print preview', abiword exited. |
| 06:35.29 | kandpel | anyone else experience this problem? |
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| 06:35.50 | nsgn | benjamindees: got that. annnnnd this kernel is a big download |
| 06:35.58 | nsgn | fortunately i'm getting nearly 2MBps |
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| 06:38.49 | NoCode | kandpel, open abiword from terminal, then try to print. If it doesn't -- submit a bug and paste the selected output of the program from the terminal. :P |
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| 06:39.52 | kandpel | NoCode: ok, will give it a try. |
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| 06:43.58 | kandpel | NoCode: abiword exited without any msg on the terminal. i had this problem since at least a month ago. there is no fix for it yet? |
| 06:44.25 | NoCode | I have no clue. And that's weird. |
| 06:44.28 | NoCode | Let me google |
| 06:44.44 | NoCode | kandpel, What Debian version are you running? |
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| 06:49.40 | kandpel | NoCode: I am using 'testing'. I have look up Abiword mailing list. No help. |
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| 06:51.39 | NoCode | kandpel, What version is abiword? |
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| 06:52.20 | benjamindees | kandpel: try 'strace abiword' and search the output for missing files/libraries |
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| 06:54.50 | Chacon | hi all Say is there a way to migrate from ubuntu Jaunty to debian testing, via an update/upgrade? |
| 06:55.40 | kandpel | NoCode: abiword ver is 2.6.8. |
| 06:56.39 | cire | Is there some kind of CMS with focus on picture-galleries? I want to make a portal for me and my friends where photos can be uploaded, tagged, and viewed easily. |
| 06:56.46 | benjamindees | !debootstrap |
| 06:56.46 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. Be aware that debootstrap can't include packages involving non-required Pre-Depends (e.g. `--include=linux-image-686' will fail), see #487908 in the <BTS>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 06:58.13 | benjamindees | Chacon, there is no easy way to upgrade from Ubuntu to Debian, but you can certainly install them side-by-side and migrate files as necessary |
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| 06:59.39 | benjamindees | nsgn: good luck, I'm off |
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| 07:00.20 | kandpel | benjamindees: i tried 'strace abiword'. After it exit on 'print', the last 4 lines on the terminal is: |
| 07:00.22 | Chacon | I might just do a straight install |
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| 07:00.34 | kandpel | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, [ABRT], NULL, 8) = 0 tgkill(4706, 4706, SIGABRT) = 0 --- SIGABRT (Aborted) @ 0 (0) --- +++ killed by SIGABRT +++ |
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| 07:02.44 | benjamindees | kandpel, you probably want to look farther back than that |
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| 07:04.55 | benjamindees | 'strace abiword 2>&1 | grep .so' |
| 07:05.11 | benjamindees | 'strace abiword 2>&1 | grep \.so' rather |
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| 07:05.39 | benjamindees | but it is testing so who knows what the problem could be... |
| 07:05.58 | zeroConf | ajavid - did you get edit rights to the calanders published on the webdav server or what? |
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| 07:09.22 | kandpel | benjamindees: thks for the help. i am in a hurry to print a one page doc. i am using simple kwrite. it prints ok. bye. |
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| 07:15.18 | sluxor | I've just installed tomcat on lenny and I'm just wondering how can I give someone write sftp access to the directories that tomcat uses without them logging in as root through ssh (sftp)... |
| 07:15.18 | sluxor | ? |
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| 07:18.06 | TopoMorto | i would build a kiosk to distribute open source software, and linux disk in my lug meetng, there is a software that permit to choose which distribution burn to DVD (and burn it)? |
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| 07:19.13 | nevyn_ | TopoMorto: you'd probably need to build it. |
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| 07:21.03 | TopoMorto | nevyn, i have built the machine and installed debian :) then 'm looking for something like Freedom Toaster, but Free... |
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| 07:26.10 | jonathan1 | !downgrade |
| 07:26.10 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 07:26.58 | bpun | downgrade are for losers |
| 07:27.30 | jonathan1 | or bpun |
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| 07:27.52 | jonathan1 | how can i download a deb archive with apt-get? |
| 07:28.09 | bpun | jonathan1, apt-get downloads debs |
| 07:28.26 | bpun | jonathan1, man apt-get |
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| 07:28.49 | jmarsden | jonathan1: sudo apt-get -d somepackage # will just download a deb from a respository... |
| 07:29.21 | jmarsden | Or su -c "apt-get -d somepackage" if you don't like/use sudo |
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| 07:32.33 | TopoMorto | i heve find beldi https://belug.de/~beldi/ that seems to do what i need :), from the Berlin Linux User Group :) |
| 07:33.19 | nsgn | looong build |
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| 07:39.56 | mick_home | anyone know why a usb connected SATA drive wouldnt show up after being plugged-in in `dmesg`? |
| 07:40.15 | mick_home | i just want to know the name of the block device |
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| 07:40.42 | mick_home | something tells me the drive or the controller is messed up |
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| 07:41.08 | anddam | hi |
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| 07:41.34 | mick_home | it is hfs+ formatted if that is a hint (i have hfsplus, hfsutils and hfsprogs installed) |
| 07:41.36 | anddam | how do I let the monitor go in standby while in console, i.e. X not running? |
| 07:41.39 | mick_home | hi anddam |
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| 07:42.09 | anddam | mick_home: what's your question about hfs+? |
| 07:42.33 | mick_home | "anyone know why a usb connected SATA drive wouldnt show up after being plugged-in in `dmesg`?" |
| 07:42.45 | mick_home | i just want to know the block device |
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| 07:43.20 | mick_home | someone went ballistic on my laptop and shattered the screen, i wanted to salvage what is on my drive |
| 07:43.38 | mick_home | i fear that the harddrive is also messed up |
| 07:43.56 | anddam | it should show regardless of filesystems, does the controller work at all? |
| 07:44.00 | mick_home | but the SATA to usb converter thing lights up and the drive spins |
| 07:44.21 | mick_home | not sure if the controller is screwed up (i am borrowing it from a friend) |
| 07:44.45 | anddam | do the SATA-usb work with a different drive? does the usb port show another device when it's connected? |
| 07:44.50 | anddam | you'll have to check |
| 07:44.59 | mick_home | how do i check the latter? |
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| 07:45.22 | mick_home | it is flashing now - as if it is being accessed |
| 07:45.48 | mick_home | # ls /dev/sd* |
| 07:45.49 | mick_home | /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5 |
| 07:45.59 | mick_home | looks to just show my one drive |
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| 07:47.58 | Without | how to fix harddisk bad sector ? |
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| 07:50.01 | mick_home | anddam: xset +dpms might help |
| 07:50.24 | anddam | syntax error |
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| 07:51.51 | anddam | mick_home: are those sda* of the named device? |
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| 07:52.06 | mick_home | anddam: nope, my internal drive |
| 07:52.32 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.07 | mick_home | anddam: xset +dpms <-- this works for me |
| 07:53.23 | mick_home | xset q <-- this displays the settings |
| 07:53.36 | anddam | oh right was in the wrong console |
| 07:53.40 | mick_home | do you have anything that says: DPMS (Energy Star)? |
| 07:53.51 | anddam | I get unable to open display "" anyway |
| 07:53.57 | anddam | and this seems fair as I'm not running X |
| 07:54.06 | mick_home | right |
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| 07:54.17 | anddam | maybe an fbset? |
| 07:54.25 | mick_home | i am running x -- so i couldn't test that out :-/ |
| 07:54.38 | anddam | but I really don't know if there's an automatic control |
| 07:55.00 | Maleko | hi. actually how many groups that a user can be assigned to? |
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| 07:55.17 | Maleko | more than 1? |
| 07:58.24 | anddam | Maleko: I'm not sure to have understood but probably the answer you're searching for is "yes" |
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| 08:03.10 | Kazuha | I've got a strange error: |
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| 08:03.56 | Kazuha | When my ethernet card gets (much) over 1MB/sec, it causes the SATA drive to act up. |
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| 08:04.25 | Vasistha | Seems like aptitude could go faster if it would configure/install package WHILE other packages are being downloaded. Any reason it doesn't do this? Has it been tried and/or considered? |
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| 08:05.11 | Kazuha | Because Package A depends on Package B and Package B requires Package D, which hasn't been downloaded yet. |
| 08:05.50 | Vasistha | Kazuha: well, it's possible to make those calculations in advance, and download package D first... |
| 08:06.17 | Vasistha | I mean, of course it is not trivial. Perhaps the nontriviality of it is the reason it hasn't been tried. |
| 08:06.19 | Kazuha | Also, it makes the code more complex. (At least I would imagine it would.) |
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| 08:07.14 | Vasistha | of course it would! seems worth a try, though. Of course it's easy for me to say since I'm not doing it :P |
| 08:07.23 | Kazuha | When I want functionality like what you described, I usually just use "apt-get install <packagenames>" |
| 08:08.00 | Kazuha | Of course, that's when there's a large number of downloads to do. |
| 08:08.15 | Kazuha | And I want to give some 'higher' priority. |
| 08:08.56 | Vasistha | well... the time I would want it is when doing a very large upgrade operation. Probably unwise to do it during a dist-upgrade. Oh, wait, that must be why -- don't want to leave the system in a broken state in case downloading stops in the middle, after upgrading a package |
| 08:09.52 | Kazuha | I would imagine. (I'm not one of the package maintainers, and rarely look at the source.) |
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| 08:13.39 | Kazuha | IIRC, from what I've heard -- a certain OS will allow users to log in, before its finished booting -- and it is extremely sluggish if one does. |
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| 08:15.33 | mick_home | damnit |
| 08:15.59 | mick_home | i plugged it in w/ a different sata->usb connector and a different harddrive and it worked just fine |
| 08:16.15 | mick_home | i changed the harddrive and then plugged it in and it rebooted my box |
| 08:16.24 | mick_home | and it can't boot w/ it connected |
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| 08:16.35 | mick_home | it just hangs on "loading kernel drivers" |
| 08:16.38 | mick_home | *sigh* |
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| 08:21.09 | simonrvn | Kazuha: you can do that with sshd and init (inittab) |
| 08:21.40 | Kazuha | Huh? Do what? |
| 08:22.13 | simonrvn | have sshd start from init |
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| 08:22.32 | tdn | Hi. I need to patch and compile a new version of ffmpeg on a Debian server. What is the "right" Debian way of doing this? I know that I can get the source with apt-get source <package>, but then what? I hope you can help. |
| 08:23.11 | simonrvn | know he's speaking english ... |
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| 08:23.43 | Kazuha | I thought the last two (only two) things I talked about this month were a FUBARed Network card (that causes annoying problems with a hard drive). And Aptitude. |
| 08:24.02 | Kazuha | (And only*) |
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| 08:30.17 | jmarsden | <Kazuha> IIRC, from what I've heard -- a certain OS will allow users to log in, before its finished ... |
| 08:30.32 | Kazuha | Ah. |
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| 08:31.01 | Kazuha | I was referring to how a certain OS would make the boot take *longer* by allowing users to log in before it was finished. |
| 08:31.22 | Kazuha | And/or display more problematic behavior. |
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| 08:42.35 | factor | anyone know of repos for ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-sdl |
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| 08:43.51 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.02 | ajavid | I can't seem to get this resolved in stable |
| 08:44.26 | ajavid | aptitude gives up and wants to manually resolve |
| 08:45.15 | themill | ajavid: what package is causing this? /msg dpkg bat |
| 08:45.53 | themill | judd versions libuuid1 |
| 08:45.55 | judd | themill: libuuid1 -- etch: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 etch-security: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 lenny: 1.41.3-1 sid: 2.16-3 squeeze: 2.16-3 |
| 08:46.24 | dsdeiz | judd versions kde |
| 08:46.26 | judd | dsdeiz: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48 |
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| 08:46.29 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/46486/ |
| 08:46.32 | dsdeiz | oh he's a bot too :D |
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| 08:47.00 | ajavid | uhm.. weird |
| 08:47.07 | Caelum | is it possible that a preemptive kernel would make the sound driver behave weirdly? |
| 08:47.11 | dkay | hello debian# I need help, i installed serveral flash plugin packages but none of them works |
| 08:47.14 | dkay | i need amd64 |
| 08:47.14 | ajavid | themill, you see the strangeness? |
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| 08:47.31 | dkay | adobe only offer 32bit and i cant install, any tipps? |
| 08:47.38 | ajavid | lenny uuid-dev is expecting 1.41 of libuuid1 |
| 08:47.42 | Caelum | dkay: there's an amd64 build of flash10 |
| 08:47.55 | ajavid | however, according to the policy, I have 2.16 installed... but how/from where? |
| 08:48.01 | dkay | where can i get it? |
| 08:48.30 | Linux-IRC | how did you installed adobe flashplayer for firefox? is it correct "sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 08:48.32 | yuastnav | I believe Adobe offers a 64bit package but it's still alpha since november 2008 |
| 08:48.34 | dkay | do you mean that flash10.sh ? |
| 08:48.39 | factor | i use version 10 of flash on amd 64 dual core |
| 08:48.39 | factor | works fine |
| 08:48.39 | factor | adobe labs has a link for a alpha version |
| 08:49.39 | ajavid | themill, why is libuuid on my system not from the stable repository? |
| 08:49.49 | ajavid | themill, I don't ever remember messing with this package |
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| 08:49.58 | ajavid | themill, I have nothing but stable sources official debian |
| 08:49.59 | yuastnav | http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html <- I believe this is it. |
| 08:50.00 | dkay | where exactly can i get this flash 10? |
| 08:50.06 | dkay | well, thanks |
| 08:50.08 | factor | yup |
| 08:50.09 | dkay | wow. |
| 08:50.12 | factor | thatone works well |
| 08:50.13 | jonathan1 | Can i somehow update only one package? |
| 08:50.25 | factor | so far on day one |
| 08:50.29 | factor | no problems |
| 08:50.30 | themill | !wayttd jonathan1 |
| 08:50.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jonathan1? |
| 08:50.46 | jonathan1 | i have lighttpd compiled myself and build a deb from it |
| 08:50.48 | ajavid | themill, http://paste.debian.net/46487/ |
| 08:50.57 | Linux-IRC | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 08:50.58 | dpkg | Linux-IRC: bugger all, i dunno |
| 08:51.00 | jonathan1 | but when i use apt-get upgrade, it wants to install the version that ships with debion |
| 08:51.02 | themill | ajavid: you must have had something beyond lenny at some stage or you used dpkg -i on it |
| 08:51.04 | factor | does anyone know wher to get the debian lib for 64 bit sdl and kde libs |
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| 08:51.20 | Linux-IRC | !adobe |
| 08:51.21 | dpkg | Adobe Systems Incorporated, a computer software company. Now distributing the flash plugin after acquiring Macromedia, ask me about <adobe flash>. See also http://feayn.org/~lewis/adobe.txt |
| 08:51.27 | dkay | if this flashplugin works for me this will become an 10$ dvd to be safe at home :) |
| 08:51.34 | dkay | a golden dvd set :) |
| 08:52.01 | themill | jonathan1: you can put the package you compiled on hold. /msg dpkg hold |
| 08:52.12 | Linux-IRC | dkay: can you give me one set? |
| 08:52.37 | jonathan1 | thanks |
| 08:52.50 | Caelum | my sound gets fucked up in flash and I have to restart firefox all the time :( |
| 08:53.06 | tdn | Hi. I need to patch and compile a new version of ffmpeg on a Debian server. What is the "right" Debian way of doing this? I know that I can get the source with apt-get source <package>, but then what? I hope you can help. |
| 08:53.09 | Caelum | I tried libflashsupport too, same thing |
| 08:53.12 | dkay | well, i tried 3 different flashplugin, none of them was working, dont know how much of them plugins out there! |
| 08:53.14 | themill | jonathan1: just make sure you keep up with security updates to that package yourself... because you've told apt that you don't want debian's security updates any more. |
| 08:53.16 | dkay | sure |
| 08:53.20 | Caelum | tdn: pbuilder |
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| 08:53.50 | Caelum | tdn: or dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot |
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| 08:54.35 | shoebox | my vlc playlist is messed up =P is there a way to reset it or something? |
| 08:55.03 | Caelum | tdn: and don't get apt-get build-dep <package> if you do the dpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:55.12 | ajavid | ahh |
| 08:55.14 | simonrvn | flash is a PITA |
| 08:55.20 | tdn | Caelum, ok. |
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| 08:55.50 | tdn | Caelum, just: dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot <package>? |
| 08:55.51 | Caelum | and gnash and swfdec aren't quite ready for prime time, unfortunately |
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| 08:56.13 | Caelum | tdn: in the directory where the unpacked source is |
| 08:57.37 | conjurer | shame about gnash |
| 08:57.42 | jonathan1 | themill: yeah, thank you |
| 08:57.52 | ajavid | themill, found the problem. a new hal was installed when I build the xorg 7.4 packages and that breaks libuuid1 which breaks uuid-dev |
| 08:57.57 | conjurer | works for most but it crashes a bit |
| 08:58.19 | themill | ajavid: mixing releases always ends in tears |
| 08:58.20 | ajavid | themill, i've got all the packages build and already stored in backup so temporarily going back to 7.3 xorg in stable |
| 08:58.30 | ajavid | themill, I never mixed a release |
| 08:58.31 | ajavid | :) |
| 08:58.46 | themill | ajavid: so were did libuuid1 come from again? |
| 08:59.02 | ajavid | themill, I don't know |
| 08:59.27 | ajavid | I've never in this history of this box had anything but stable sources and sid deb-src |
| 09:00.20 | ajavid | I did however grab build configs and etc. from unstable for xorg 7.4, source from upstream and build the packages of 7.4 xorg myself for stable, works for free 3d on my card, otherwise no 3d, but it works fine, I have no idea how this version lib got in here |
| 09:00.35 | ajavid | I am certain it didn't come from unstable or squeeze |
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| 09:01.16 | ajavid | its ok now |
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| 09:01.24 | simonrvn | when they get gnash going well, it'll be a blast |
| 09:01.32 | dkay_ | well, thanks, libflashplugin.so seems to work but only 50% |
| 09:02.31 | ajavid | themill, oh it came from sid's deb-src doh! I have a backported 2.16 version sitting with my custom xorg packages... |
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| 09:03.05 | ajavid | ahhhh that answers my other long time question... oh dude.. wicked |
| 09:03.09 | kavakava | I have a box(lenny) that I only got ssh access to and I get this message when I log in: -bash: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Connection to xxx closed. Is there any way to fix it, or is the only way to ask the hosting company to reinstall it? |
| 09:03.43 | unitypunk | is there a way to send a command that would show on the desktop windowmanager? |
| 09:03.52 | themill | ajavid: if you put your .debs in a local repo, then "apt-cache policy libuuid" would have told you where the deb was from |
| 09:03.55 | ajavid | no wonder I have 7.4 xorg installed and it shows lenny/main as source in apt-cache policy... I always wondered that becuase I never did use it from there |
| 09:04.03 | ajavid | themill, not in a repo |
| 09:04.06 | ajavid | themill, thats why |
| 09:04.14 | ajavid | themill, ahah, thanks a lot man... seriously |
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| 09:04.47 | ajavid | themill, oh thats what was bugging me for so long... now I see. Now if i make repo for my packages it will show, otherwise it will show stable and then the installed version |
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| 09:07.00 | jahil | cat |
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| 09:07.08 | jahil | quit |
| 09:07.15 | ajavid | jahil, you should go to school |
| 09:07.30 | unitypunk | so |
| 09:07.43 | jahil | i will |
| 09:07.44 | ajavid | jahil, parh likh ke aa ja |
| 09:07.46 | ajavid | :) |
| 09:07.52 | unitypunk | is there a way to send a fake error to my desktop with ssh> |
| 09:07.59 | ajavid | unitypunk, fake error? |
| 09:08.05 | mick_home | huh? |
| 09:08.12 | unitypunk | like something to mess with my friend. |
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| 09:09.57 | themill | unitypunk: xmessage, kdialog, zenity |
| 09:10.56 | ultralazer | does debian remove stuff from the kernel source if it is non-free? |
| 09:11.01 | ultralazer | is running lenny |
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| 09:11.38 | themill | ultralazer: usually, yes. It's on a best-effort basis though so it's not perfect. |
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| 09:12.02 | ultralazer | interesting |
| 09:12.17 | tdn | Caelum, ok. |
| 09:12.18 | Caelum | ultralazer: it's usually made available as a non-free package |
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| 09:13.11 | xeon-enouf | uh |
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| 09:13.49 | lukas | Hello, I need to use multiple logical network interfaces (several hundreds at least) and I want not them to get up during boot, but on one command. Could anyone help? |
| 09:14.12 | xeon-enouf | a for loop? |
| 09:14.22 | deufrai | hi there. I need to thank a user who's not logged in right now. Is there a bot in here that can store a message for that user ? |
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| 09:14.43 | xeon-enouf | deufrai: there used to be memoserv |
| 09:15.05 | xeon-enouf | deufrai: try /msg memoserv help ; ask in #freenode |
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| 09:15.16 | deufrai | xeon-enouf: thank you |
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| 09:15.59 | Garp_ | Question: I cant read WAV files generated by some PENTAX Camera with Audacity. I remeber seing some solution somewhere, but cant fint it any more (some mplayer conversion if I remember well). Any suggestion? Thanks. |
| 09:16.13 | lukas | xeon-enouf: yes, I tried to build some bash script that included ifconfig eth0:1 netmask 255.255.255.0 123.123.0.0 up |
| 09:16.24 | lukas | xeon-enouf: but only first command was ok |
| 09:16.52 | pwned | hi, I installed openbox and docker (debian testing), docker used to work, but now it doesn't show up when I run it. And none of them dockapps work either. Any idea what could be wrong? |
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| 09:16.56 | lukas | the other got SIOCSIFADDR: File exists and cannot assign requested address |
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| 09:17.26 | ajavid | ahhhh boy |
| 09:17.38 | smhar | I have sound working in gnome with my main user. I just added another user and added him to audio group, but I still can not get sound with him. I get this error: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 09:17.40 | ajavid | it took ALL night but screw trac, I installed redmine |
| 09:17.51 | tsp | Is there a small debian distro around (<=100mb or so), or should I look at something else? |
| 09:17.57 | ajavid | redmine, subversion, and other stuff for ruby |
| 09:18.12 | ajavid | I should mention, a ror tutorial on debian is direly needed |
| 09:18.27 | ajavid | I had a helluva time. Here is another thing to write on my list |
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| 09:18.51 | jonathan1 | I used apt pinning, now i want to return to pure lenny, so i deleted everything in the apt/preferences file and ran aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 09:18.52 | ajavid | ror setup on debian with fcgi is a pain in the butt. Though with a2enmod passenger |
| 09:19.01 | factor | anyone get second life to work on a 64 bit debian system? |
| 09:19.05 | factor | isecond life seems to want 32 bit ai libs |
| 09:19.06 | jonathan1 | now its giving me some output for about 15 minutes: |
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| 09:19.14 | jonathan1 | open: 98; closed: 21435; defer: 17811; conflict: 46 .Resolving dependencies... |
| 09:19.18 | ajavid | its alright enough. passenger-install-apache2-module (i did this as I didn't want to mix the sid pacakge or backport the buggy one, so I built from gem) |
| 09:19.34 | ajavid | gem install passenger, and use passenger to build mod_ruby |
| 09:19.35 | jonathan1 | the closed and defered packages are getting more, open and conflict are varying |
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| 09:19.50 | ajavid | I wonder, why does that depend on uuid-dev...? |
| 09:20.04 | lukas | no ideas? |
| 09:20.16 | tsp | all I really need is ed, a shell, and iptables; maybe a few other tools, but not much, and a full debian install is too large |
| 09:20.19 | factor | where is debian X11 32 bit gl libs? |
| 09:20.23 | ajavid | dhodgkin, well anyway, great success. I got it all setup |
| 09:20.26 | jahil | cd |
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| 09:21.27 | norbert_ | hi all |
| 09:21.37 | norbert_ | I need to install a font quickly system wide |
| 09:21.52 | norbert_ | I have files .afm .mf .pfb .ttf .mf (3x) |
| 09:22.07 | norbert_ | what would be the fastest way to make these work system wide? (root commands?) |
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| 09:23.01 | ajavid | what else what I supposed to do... uhm. |
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| 09:23.38 | Hosein-mec | hi |
| 09:23.41 | ajavid | I can't remember if I was patching a bug... or if I was writing a tutorial... I forget. I think I'll just try and go to sleep. Good night folks and thanks for ALL your help |
| 09:23.49 | Hosein-mec | anyone can help ? https://launchpad.net/~hoseinhz63/+archive/ppa/+build/1241869 |
| 09:23.50 | ajavid | (I may still lurk until passing out time) |
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| 09:27.04 | xeon-enouf | lukas: hrm.. let |
| 09:27.12 | xeon-enouf | 's see your script |
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| 09:27.19 | firefly | Hi all |
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| 09:27.36 | xeon-enouf | lukas: perhaps you need a small 'sleep' in between each ... |
| 09:27.42 | firefly | Anyone know if its possible to undelete files on ext3 filesystem? |
| 09:28.10 | tdn | Caelum, when it finished building, the last message was: dpkg-buildpackage: binary only upload (no source included) |
| 09:28.14 | tdn | Caelum, what does that mena? |
| 09:28.17 | tdn | mean |
| 09:28.44 | xeon-enouf | firefly: /msg dpkg undelete (and possible... to varying degrees) |
| 09:29.32 | firefly | Thank3 xeon, man how depressing |
| 09:29.49 | tdn | Caelum, http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1395.html <- These are the last messages. |
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| 09:32.32 | firefly | xeon-enouf: Can't find that package mate, any other ideas? |
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| 09:37.11 | dkay | where to become bouncer ? |
| 09:37.15 | dkay | someone knows? |
| 09:37.32 | dkay | how much they cost? |
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| 09:38.48 | LobbyZ | dkay, how do you mean? |
| 09:39.31 | xeon-enouf | firefly: it's not packaged |
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| 09:39.41 | simonrvn | bouncer? |
| 09:39.50 | xeon-enouf | firefly: and no, it appears to be the only option, AFAIK |
| 09:39.55 | LobbyZ | BNC apperently |
| 09:40.36 | amol | hi to all,i have debian and windows installed in one harddisk want to replicate in 30 harddisk is there any tool like ghost? |
| 09:40.40 | simonrvn | oh, *that* kind of bouncer... |
| 09:40.43 | firefly | Smoff |
| 09:41.05 | firefly | Time to start looking for raw disk blocks then |
| 09:41.06 | Caelum | tdn: that's fine, you can install the .deb now |
| 09:41.09 | firefly | I am suck a prat |
| 09:41.13 | firefly | *such |
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| 09:41.37 | themill | simonrvn: don't worry, I was thinking of a big boofy bloke with shaved head and an ID badge too |
| 09:41.56 | xeon-enouf | bubba? |
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| 09:42.04 | tdn | Caelum, ok. |
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| 09:42.20 | simonrvn | themill: :D |
| 09:42.23 | tdn | Caelum, how is the "right" way to do it, if I need to patch it then? |
| 09:42.53 | firefly | ext3grep |
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| 09:57.02 | firefly | What are the current code names for stable testing and experimental |
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| 09:57.32 | petemc | firefly: testing is squeeze, stable is lenny |
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| 09:57.47 | chellomere | firefly, experimental has no codename. |
| 09:57.49 | petemc | you could as easily have checked debian.org for this.. |
| 09:58.06 | firefly | I did google it to no avail |
| 09:58.08 | firefly | :( |
| 09:58.33 | firefly | Haven't done system admin for 6 months, fall behing fast |
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| 09:59.14 | firefly | Is it worth upgrading from etch to lenny then? |
| 10:00.13 | firefly | In sources.list, rather than... |
| 10:00.13 | firefly | deb ftp://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 10:00.13 | firefly | deb-src ftp://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 10:00.20 | firefly | Can't you just have something like... |
| 10:00.20 | firefly | deb ftp://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 10:00.20 | firefly | deb-src ftp://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 10:00.25 | firefly | Opps. |
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| 10:00.37 | firefly | Sorry I mean stable main contrib non-free |
| 10:00.48 | dkay | hello, someone has expieirience with 'nullmailer'? need some help |
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| 10:00.54 | firefly | So it will always work on the most recent version of stable? |
| 10:01.23 | chellomere | firefly, please don't paste in the channel. but if you use 'stable', please be aware that when a new version of debian comes out, and you want to install something, you may accidently MIX the new stable with oldstable. |
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| 10:02.19 | firefly | Sorry guys! New to IRC ettiquete! |
| 10:02.34 | firefly | Chellomere, thanks for that advice and appologies. |
| 10:03.04 | chellomere | firefly, pasting one, maybe two lines are okay, but for more, please use a pastebin next time :) |
| 10:03.31 | themill | dpkg: tell firefly about stable sources.list |
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| 10:04.17 | chellomere | firefly, I'd put in the actual code name of the release I'm running in sources.list, so as to prevent (potentially disastrous) mistakes |
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| 10:18.21 | firefly | clear |
| 10:18.23 | firefly | thanks all |
| 10:18.54 | firefly | I need to upgrade from etch to lenny then try ext3grep |
| 10:18.59 | firefly | I doubt it will work |
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| 10:27.39 | tdn | I need to upgrade a machine from Etch to Lenny. Is the procedure just to write 'lenny' instead of 'etch' in /etc/apt/sources.list and the run: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 10:28.02 | themill | tdn: no, there's a detailed procedure in the release notes. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 10:28.32 | tdn | themill, ok. Thanks. |
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| 10:31.15 | tdn | themill, I did just that. I get this from aptitude: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1397.html What should I answer? |
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| 10:32.46 | themill | tdn: that looks fine for the first stage of you rupgrade. Having done that and then upgraded aptitude in the next step, you'll be able to use lenny's package tools to complete the rest of the process. |
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| 10:34.26 | tdn | themill, ok. |
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| 10:42.50 | pedronero | hi there |
| 10:43.22 | pedronero | does anyone know what repo should I add to sources.list in order to install the last deluge-torrent package? |
| 10:43.34 | pedronero | I'm using lenny btw |
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| 10:48.53 | zeroConf | hey ajavid you never did say if you did you get edit rights to the calanders published on the webdav server or what? |
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| 10:52.40 | tdn | themill, now the commands have returned. Am I now in Lenny? |
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| 10:54.06 | amol | is there any tool like ghost to do clone of harddisk. |
| 10:54.12 | petemc | partimage |
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| 11:11.15 | SiDi_ | Hello. What should i do if i want the packages in lenny-backports to always be chosen instead of those in lenny ? |
| 11:11.19 | Kazuha | How does one arbitrarily set a limit for an ethernet interface? |
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| 11:15.23 | tdn | I have just upgraded from Etch to Lenny and I got this dialog during upgrade: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1398.html It is telling me to upgrade my postgresql clusters. I have read the man page for pg_upgradecluster (which is referenced in the dialog), but I am not sure what I am supposed to do. I hope you can give me some pointers. |
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| 11:24.31 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 11:24.56 | metalfan_ | according do packages.debian.org shedutisl is in etch, but aptitude install shedutils doesnt find it? |
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| 11:26.57 | joltcan | well, are you running etch? |
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| 11:27.46 | joltcan | or are you having a typo? |
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| 11:29.06 | joltcan | Kazuha: what do you mean with "limit"? |
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| 11:29.41 | Kazuha | As in, tell eth4 that it can't use more than 800 kb/s *ever*. |
| 11:30.39 | Kazuha | (Which gives a buffer before it acts up, causing annoying problems with my SATA drive(s). |
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| 11:32.13 | cursive | what's the line that goes in interfaces for dynamic ip from router? (it's 1 or 2 small lines) |
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| 11:32.54 | Kazuha | Based on a test (basically flooding the interface), around 1.2 mb/s caused the ethernet card to behave weirdly, and for some reason one (or more) of the partitions on sda remount ro. |
| 11:34.48 | metalfan_ | joltcan, /etc/issue says debian 4 |
| 11:35.00 | metalfan_ | joltcan, also "aptitude search shed" does not turn up anything |
| 11:35.42 | metalfan_ | Kazuha, what ethernet card is that? |
| 11:35.58 | xeon-enouf | tdn: hi |
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| 11:37.46 | petemc | metalfan_: aptitude search works a bit different than apt-cache search |
| 11:38.13 | xeon-enouf | tdn: that message appears pretty specific - to me, it basically says to install the 8.2 pkgs,then remove the default 8.2/main DB the installation generates (pg_dropcluster --stop 8.2 main <--as it notes) ; then upgrade your 7.4 DB to 8.2 using pg_upgradecluster |
| 11:38.16 | Kazuha | 01:06.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3CR990-TX-97 [Typhoon 168-bit] (rev 02) |
| 11:38.17 | joltcan | metalfan_: well, it looks like the thing you are looking for is in the util-linux package, at least in the current stable |
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| 11:39.29 | xeon-enouf | tdn: then remove the older 7.4 pkgs .. and maybe do NOT use --purge, so the old configs are not removed, incase things go south - though i don't know if leaving them would get in the way (i'd doubt it, since different versions) |
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| 11:39.51 | joltcan | Kazuha: Well, there are some things that can be done with shaping (tc queue stuff), but it is pretty technical and might not help since its done in the kernel. It's covered by the advanced routing howto |
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| 11:40.27 | xeon-enouf | tdn: i like a pkg called "configure-debian" it'll list all pkgs reconfigurable using "dpkg-reconfigure <pkgname>" |
| 11:40.34 | Kazuha | In other words, if the problem is the card, replace the bloody thing. If the problem is in the kernel, replace the bloody thing? |
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| 11:41.54 | g00se | xeon-enouf: That was quite a display of plate spinning yesterday - you must have been supporting quite a few simultaneously |
| 11:42.14 | joltcan | Kazuha: replacing the card is usually the smarter thing in the long run |
| 11:42.29 | tdn | xeon-enouf, I have what I do not understand about the message is that I have not installed pg 8.2, but pg 8.3. I have tried running the upgrade tool. But I am not sure if it works like it is supposed to. |
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| 11:43.12 | Kazuha | I'm beginning to think that this motherboard might have it in for ethernet cards. |
| 11:43.54 | joltcan | Kazuha: Maybe it's cursed and you have to offer a goat or something |
| 11:44.18 | Kazuha | Possible. |
| 11:44.36 | Kazuha | I've already sat through a (lengthy) memory test. |
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| 11:44.57 | Kazuha | Well, 'lengthy' in the sense of I ran memtest86. |
| 11:45.20 | Kazuha | And I have 6 gigs. |
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| 11:46.26 | abrotman | for how long? |
| 11:47.03 | Kazuha | The default options on Timo's Rescue disk, for a full pass. |
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| 11:47.35 | Kazuha | (I thought it would take longer, but it surprised me there.) |
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| 11:48.30 | xeon-enouf | tdn: as long as it's debian, it should, AFAIK - perhaps also shoot an email to maintainer, if that message needs editing/correcting |
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| 11:49.14 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions postgresql-common |
| 11:49.16 | judd | xeon-enouf: postgresql-common -- etch: 71 sid: 93 etch-backports: 94lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny: 94lenny1 sid: 94lenny1 experimental: 95 lenny-backports: 99~bpo50+1 squeeze: 100 sid: 101 |
| 11:49.32 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions postgresql-8.2 |
| 11:49.32 | judd | xeon-enouf: postgresql-8.2 -- |
| 11:49.35 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions postgresql-8.3 |
| 11:49.36 | judd | xeon-enouf: postgresql-8.3 -- etch-backports: 8.3.7-0lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.7-0lenny1 squeeze: 8.3.7-4 sid: 8.3.8-1 |
| 11:49.41 | xeon-enouf | ahh .. yep |
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| 11:49.50 | Ohan | o/ |
| 11:50.16 | xeon-enouf | !maint postgresql-8.3 |
| 11:50.24 | xeon-enouf | !maintainer postgresql-8.3 |
| 11:50.32 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: !! |
| 11:50.33 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 11:52.21 | xeon-enouf | apt-cache show postgresql-common | grep Maint |
| 11:53.07 | xeon-enouf | !maintainer postgresql-8.3.7.0lenny1 |
| 11:53.32 | xeon-enouf | ok, i'm done with the bots for now :-O .. gotta run |
| 11:53.49 | xeon-enouf | heh it's -0 |
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| 11:58.26 | Ohan | hi there people, i need help: i have a HP proliant DL160 G6 server, with hard raid that only allows me RAID0 or RAID1+0 (but i would like RAID1) |
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| 11:59.01 | Ohan | also, it seems the synchronization of both disks (after one has failed) isn't automatic (it needs a reboot) |
| 11:59.52 | Ohan | could anyone tell me if there's a way to resynchronize both disks (on a raid1+0) under debian? or how to use software raid? (the disks aren't detected in the bios, even if i remove the "array" in the raid configuration - compaq-) |
| 12:00.18 | justin | Ohan: how many physical disks do you have? |
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| 12:00.40 | Ohan | 2 |
| 12:01.02 | justin | Ohan: then tell it to make a raid1+0 array, that will probably make a raid1 array |
| 12:01.19 | Ohan | justin, that's what i did, but then, if i pull a disk out, and plug it back in |
| 12:01.34 | justin | raid1+0 really only makes sense for 4,6,8 disks... |
| 12:01.35 | Ohan | it never seems to resynchronize again (i mean, both leds never blink at the same time anymore) |
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| 12:02.00 | justin | Ohan: then you need to get a tool to manage the array |
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| 12:02.11 | Ohan | well, which tool? |
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| 12:02.37 | justin | no idea, i'm sure HP povides one |
| 12:02.39 | xeon-enouf | Ohan: some HP specific one likely |
| 12:02.52 | justin | or apt-cache search HP raid |
| 12:02.54 | xeon-enouf | Ohan: otherwise see apt-cache show mdadm ;-) |
| 12:03.06 | Ohan | can't seem to find a single tool for hp on google :( |
| 12:03.17 | Ohan | xeon-enouf, for mdadm, it's soft raid right? |
| 12:03.35 | Ohan | and i can't seem to detect the two disks in the bios (and so, can't partition them or use them during the debian install) |
| 12:03.56 | Ohan | i'd love to set up a soft raid (i'd feel more comfy), but i can't find how |
| 12:04.05 | xeon-enouf | Ohan: the BIOS likely is already set up to manage it - if the controller isn't in the kernel, you'll needto compile a module, so long as source is available |
| 12:04.39 | Ohan | the bios is set up to manage what? |
| 12:04.45 | xeon-enouf | Ohan: create one single large partition on each disk prior? |
| 12:04.49 | Ohan | there's some kind of specific configuration tool for the raid array |
| 12:04.53 | xeon-enouf | your Hardware RAID |
| 12:05.00 | Ohan | xeon-enouf, i'd like to create large partitions, but how? |
| 12:05.11 | Ohan | if i can't detect those two disk in the bios, how can i partition them? |
| 12:05.12 | xeon-enouf | Ohan: use fdsik, or parted or whatever |
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| 12:05.24 | xeon-enouf | Ohan: what can't detect them? |
| 12:05.34 | xeon-enouf | your BIOS? then ne disk is dead |
| 12:05.35 | Ohan | parted for example |
| 12:05.39 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 12:05.49 | xeon-enouf | s/ne/one |
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| 12:05.51 | Ohan | during the debian install, parted can only see the "compaq array" |
| 12:06.01 | xeon-enouf | Ohan: wipe them |
| 12:06.06 | Ohan | can(t |
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| 12:06.15 | Ohan | it tells me something about not being able to detect the geometry |
| 12:06.16 | xeon-enouf | and turn off the hardware raid |
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| 12:06.20 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 12:06.26 | xeon-enouf | use dd |
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| 12:06.33 | xeon-enouf | zero out the fuckers |
| 12:06.33 | Ohan | ok |
| 12:06.38 | Ohan | let me rephrase that |
| 12:06.43 | Ohan | there's no fuckerS |
| 12:06.48 | xeon-enouf | Ohan: imust go .. sorry |
| 12:06.51 | Ohan | there's only ONE disk detected by the debian |
| 12:06.58 | Ohan | and it's the array |
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| 12:07.45 | xeon-enouf | (that's one Volume, or "block device" as far as i'm concerned, not "one disk") |
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| 12:07.53 | Ohan | well, yes |
| 12:07.59 | Ohan | one entity, whatever that is |
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| 12:08.40 | xeon-enouf | "The Entity!" coming soon, to a theatre near you |
| 12:09.03 | JarlG | Is it possible to manage internet connections in bash? |
| 12:09.32 | abrotman | sure |
| 12:09.44 | JarlG | what command? |
| 12:10.12 | themill | JarlG: what do you mean by "manage"? |
| 12:10.59 | JarlG | themill: I mean connect to local wireless netowkrs |
| 12:10.59 | Ohan | JarlG, ifconfig |
| 12:10.59 | Ohan | iwconfig for wireles |
| 12:10.59 | abrotman | iwconfig |
| 12:10.59 | Ohan | iwconfig for wireless |
| 12:11.03 | JarlG | Hmm. Command not found it says |
| 12:11.31 | JarlG | Am I doing it wrong? |
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| 12:12.19 | cursive | looks like a botnet lol |
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| 12:12.41 | abrotman | it's a netsplit |
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| 12:13.11 | cursive | yeah :P |
| 12:13.31 | Shredz | aHey, I am looking for a window manager that supports 1-pixel boder windows and understands always-on-top so I can run an on-screen keyboard. Any suggestions ? |
| 12:13.48 | cursive | hmm, not sure :P |
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| 12:14.09 | blouf | anyone able to get sound from dailymotion's videos actually ? |
| 12:14.21 | blouf | Shredz: gnome do |
| 12:14.49 | Shredz | blouf: something a little lighter maybe ? |
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| 12:16.09 | abrotman | gnome isn't a window manager |
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| 12:16.26 | Agiofws | how do i re install a package ? |
| 12:16.39 | Agiofws | for some reason tombow won;t start for me |
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| 12:16.59 | abrotman | Agiofws: man aptitude |
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| 12:17.42 | blouf | Shredz: enlightenment, still not sure about the 1 pixel border windows |
| 12:17.43 | blouf | Shredz: by the way all the w manager should support the always on top |
| 12:17.43 | blouf | anyone able to get sound from dailymotion's videos actually ? |
| 12:18.04 | abrotman | Shredz: is that the only app you want ? |
| 12:18.19 | Shredz | blouf I had evilwm but it just doesn't get xvkbd's always on top |
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| 12:21.08 | Agiofws | though i install tomboy ... |
| 12:21.12 | Agiofws | no errors |
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| 12:21.23 | Agiofws | it doesn't start and i get no output ... |
| 12:21.32 | Agiofws | what can i do to see whats wrong with it |
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| 12:29.14 | dvinchi____ | test |
| 12:29.21 | dvinchi____ | http://dvinchi.no-ip.info:8080/blog/admin/ |
| 12:29.25 | dvinchi____ | user admin |
| 12:29.27 | dvinchi____ | pass admin |
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| 12:31.20 | anaximander | Does the upgrade of console-setup work for anybody else here today? |
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| 12:34.14 | EugenMayer | what sha does debian lenny use for shadow?= |
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| 12:38.37 | Agiofws | is anyone using tomboy ? |
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| 12:41.39 | abrotman | dvinchi____: why are you pasting that here ? |
| 12:42.02 | Shredz | which package in debian contains helvetica in greek (need helvetica iso8859-7) ? |
| 12:42.11 | dvinchi____ | abrotman, i use debian |
| 12:42.16 | abrotman | and what? |
| 12:42.18 | dvinchi____ | for that |
| 12:42.31 | abrotman | were you going to ask a question about it? |
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| 12:43.35 | dvinchi____ | abrotman, the first step in forming a community is to share knowledge |
| 12:43.43 | abrotman | dvinchi____: please don't paste that here |
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| 12:45.09 | dvinchi____ | "the first step in forming a community is to share knowledge" |
| 12:45.13 | dvinchi____ | ok |
| 12:45.18 | dvinchi____ | is rigth? |
| 12:45.36 | ranix | dvinchi____: it's off topic |
| 12:45.40 | abrotman | dvinchi____: 1) don't paste it again 2) we have plenty of forums already 3) get a real host 4) this is the wrong place to announce it |
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| 12:46.20 | dvinchi____ | check http://dvinchi.no-ip.info:8080/blog/admin/ |
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| 12:46.34 | ranix | more like ddos it |
| 12:46.37 | abrotman | thanks CS :) |
| 12:47.00 | beardy | abrotman is a bot, and ChanServ is human. |
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| 12:47.12 | ranix | !bot abrotman |
| 12:47.23 | themill | dvinchi____: It's still not appropriate for #debian. Please find somewhere else to post your links. |
| 12:47.26 | ranix | blast, not a verb |
| 12:47.36 | beardy | blasts ranix |
| 12:47.38 | abrotman | themill: he's gone ... |
| 12:47.47 | beardy | Verb. |
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| 12:57.33 | metalfan_ | joltcan, im looking for tasksel |
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| 12:58.05 | joltcan | metalfan_: well, that is in the package tasksel |
| 12:58.45 | metalfan_ | joltcan, no its in the package shedutils |
| 12:58.57 | metalfan_ | theres another tasksel - its for software installation |
| 12:59.09 | joltcan | metalfan_: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=tasksel&mode=path&suite=oldstable&arch=any |
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| 12:59.15 | metalfan_ | http://packages.debian.org/etch/schedutils |
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| 12:59.36 | metalfan_ | anyway, util-linux is installed |
| 12:59.58 | brabo | hi guys.. i want to compile my own kernel, but i can't find the config.gz in /proc... where do i find it? |
| 13:00.13 | \amethyst | metalfan_: tasksel or taskset ? |
| 13:00.13 | abrotman | brabo: /boot/ |
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| 13:00.38 | GNeRaL | hi |
| 13:00.42 | metalfan_ | \amethyst, are you in every room on this server ? ;) |
| 13:00.46 | brabo | abrotman: ty, i found it :) |
| 13:00.49 | GNeRaL | what is the alternate of locate or whereis command on debian? |
| 13:01.45 | \amethyst | metalfan_: only 8 of them :) |
| 13:01.45 | metalfan_ | heeh |
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| 13:01.45 | metalfan_ | \amethyst, im looking for the one that lets me put programs on different cpus |
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| 13:02.31 | JochenA | metalfan_: Wouldn't that be the kernel?? |
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| 13:02.37 | joltcan | metalfan_: in etch it is in schedutils, in lenny it's in util-linux |
| 13:02.38 | \amethyst | metalfan_: that's taskset from schedutils |
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| 13:02.59 | \amethyst | metalfan_: oh, joltcan is right, it has moved |
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| 13:03.12 | metalfan_ | joltcan, right. but aptitude install shedutils says Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "shedutils" |
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| 13:03.28 | metalfan_ | im on etch |
| 13:03.36 | themill | metalfan_: check your spelling of schedutils |
| 13:03.37 | metalfan_ | in so many ways ;) |
| 13:03.49 | metalfan_ | i did copy the error, thats what i was searching for |
| 13:04.07 | metalfan_ | oh...theres a c |
| 13:04.15 | themill | metalfan_: you keep typing it into the channel without the c. It's about scheduling not garden sheds |
| 13:04.25 | metalfan_ | sorry, not my native language |
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| 13:05.02 | themill | :) no worries |
| 13:05.06 | metalfan_ | there are quite some hits without the c on google, maybe that confused me |
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| 13:06.59 | metalfan_ | how can i see which process runs on cpu1/cpu2 without doing "tasksel -p pid" on every process? |
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| 13:08.04 | GNeRaL | what is the alternative command of locate or whereis on debian? |
| 13:08.18 | justin | !wayttd GNeRaL |
| 13:08.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, GNeRaL? |
| 13:08.19 | abrotman | what's wrong with locate ? |
| 13:08.36 | GNeRaL | Debian-50-lenny-64-minimal:~# locate |
| 13:08.36 | GNeRaL | -bash: locate: command not found |
| 13:08.58 | Agiofws | is anyone using tomboy note taker? i cant seem to start it as root and user if i create a new user t starts fine can anyone help out this is so stupid ... |
| 13:09.31 | joltcan | GNeRaL: I think minimal gives you the hint, it's probably not installed then |
| 13:09.32 | abrotman | GNeRaL: you have to install it |
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| 13:09.44 | twiadpaws | hi |
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| 13:10.54 | themill | !mlocate |
| 13:10.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, mlocate is a replacement for the locate and slocate tools from lenny onwards. mlocate is clever in that it remembers timestamps on directories so it doesn't need to rebuild the entire database each day. See http://packages.debian.org/sid/mlocate for more information. |
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| 13:11.59 | twiadpaws | I'm running Ubuntu besides XP and Vista. I haven't carefully calculated the size of the partitions. Therefore I'm stuck with a partition that's far too small. I therefore would like to resize my entire Harddisk. Say, more size to the Vista partition, and less size to a NTFS partition on which data is stored. How is that to be done the best way possible? |
| 13:12.16 | GNUbie | hi there... I'm a newbie... where I can found some help? |
| 13:12.17 | abrotman | twiadpaws: please ask #ubuntu |
| 13:12.24 | abrotman | !tell GNUbie about grounding |
| 13:12.31 | abrotman | GNUbie: help on what? |
| 13:12.47 | twiadpaws | abrotman, Ubuntu is basically the same as debian. Yet the debian peeps aren't as helpful. ;) |
| 13:12.49 | GNUbie | on configuring my video device on debian |
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| 13:13.14 | abrotman | twiadpaws: Ubuntu is *not* Debian. Ubuntu is not supported here. Please go to #ubuntu or ##linux for support |
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| 13:13.44 | twiadpaws | abrotman, regarding this problem it is the same |
| 13:13.45 | s10an | Is there a apt-get log somewhere where I can see what I have installed, upgraded and removed? |
| 13:13.56 | abrotman | twiadpaws: please don't argue, we do not support Ubuntu here |
| 13:14.00 | twiadpaws | abrotman, I could have installed ubuntu instead. It wouldn't matter |
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| 13:14.03 | beardy | Enjoy your help in #ubuntu and get the hell out. |
| 13:14.06 | abrotman | s10an: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 13:14.35 | twiadpaws | abrotman, would you like me to ask the question again and replace debian with ubuntu? Doesn't really matter, does it? |
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| 13:15.01 | abrotman | twiadpaws: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 13:15.19 | metalfan_ | does linux switch programs that are single tasked from one cpu to the other if they stop using cpu cycles for some time and then resume? |
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| 13:15.56 | themill | metalfan_: yes, unless you use taskset to set the cpu affinity |
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| 13:16.26 | metalfan_ | where is the default affinity for all processes set? |
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| 13:16.30 | Tominator | hi |
| 13:16.43 | themill | metalfan_: there is no default affinity at all |
| 13:16.44 | cursive | hello |
| 13:16.47 | s10an | abrotman: Thanx, what is half-configured? |
| 13:16.53 | Tominator | debian etchnhalf seemes to block zeroconf... could there be a reason for that? |
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| 13:17.07 | abrotman | s10an: it means it's partially installed |
| 13:17.16 | abrotman | Tominator: block or didn't install ? |
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| 13:17.32 | metalfan_ | themill, how do you restrict all processes to one core then? |
| 13:17.58 | Tominator | abrotman: do I have to install it? mdns-scan doesn't work and my own implementation of jmdns (java) does not work... |
| 13:18.43 | Tominator | do I have to install a kernel module or something to get it to support zeroconf? |
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| 13:19.47 | s10an | abrotman: Thanx, again |
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| 13:19.54 | acidtripper | HI |
| 13:20.01 | acidtripper | someone using pc as Wifi Acess point? |
| 13:20.02 | JarlG | How do I connect to a network wirelessly through bash? Would I need a wired connection to set this up? |
| 13:20.20 | acidtripper | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 13:20.21 | abrotman | Tominator: AFAIK, avahi is the mdns stuff |
| 13:20.30 | acidtripper | JarlG: |
| 13:20.32 | themill | metalfan_: I guess you could use the CPU hotplugging feature to take the other cores off line. |
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| 13:21.10 | themill | metalfan_: something like "echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuX/online" but I've never tried this sort of thing myself (and can't really imagine why you'd what to!) |
| 13:21.22 | metalfan_ | themill, ok |
| 13:21.41 | metalfan_ | themill, im trying to get a gaming server software on one cpu core thats not used by anything else |
| 13:21.55 | acidtripper | cpu hotplug, removing cpus while pc is runing?! |
| 13:22.00 | metalfan_ | hehe |
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| 13:23.02 | JarlG | Isn't there a way to connect to a wlan through bash? |
| 13:23.07 | Tominator | abrotman: when i install avahi-daemon mdns only gets the own avahi discovers... seems like some kind of firewall blocks it? |
| 13:23.10 | Agiofws | hi |
| 13:23.18 | Tominator | I can't remember to have installed one... |
| 13:23.20 | Agiofws | i have a Phucking problem |
| 13:23.42 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 13:23.43 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 13:23.46 | Agiofws | is there a command that i can obeserv which executable i being accessed ? |
| 13:23.56 | Agiofws | whne i run the command ? |
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| 13:24.25 | Trewas | metalfan_: running the server niced to a high priority is not good enough? |
| 13:24.30 | Batchy | Agiofws : from what i understand, try the 'which' command |
| 13:24.58 | abrotman | Tominator: maybe it has a file in /etc/default/avahi that tells it where tolisten |
| 13:25.20 | abrotman | JarlG: yes, you read man iwconfig .. set your optoins and go |
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| 13:25.41 | JarlG | Thanks! |
| 13:26.10 | metalfan_ | Trewas, will try that again. thx |
| 13:26.25 | Agiofws | Batchy, i have a very strange problem |
| 13:26.45 | amine_ | Agiofws, you need to install a special security tool for that, try tripwire for example |
| 13:26.49 | metalfan_ | can you tell according to the load value when you need more cpu power? |
| 13:27.27 | Tominator | abrotman: nope thats not it... |
| 13:27.37 | Tominator | hm strange... |
| 13:27.39 | Agiofws | i am running the same executable via different users ... and 1) the executable asks fro a password BUT does not even work 2) running with the other user does not ask me for a PW and runs the application nicelly |
| 13:28.11 | Agiofws | Dumb0, ? |
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| 13:28.28 | Agiofws | what can be wrong |
| 13:28.40 | justin | Agiofws: is this the same tomboy problem you were talking about before? |
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| 13:29.11 | Agiofws | justin, yes |
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| 13:29.23 | justin | Agiofws: you have been running tomboy as root? |
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| 13:33.35 | twiadpaws_ | I'm running Debian besides XP and Vista. I haven't carefully calculated the size of the partitions. Therefore I'm stuck with a partition that's far too small. I therefore would like to resize my entire Harddisk. Say, more size to the Vista partition, and less size to a NTFS partition on which data is stored. How is that to be done the best way possible? |
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| 13:34.54 | Dumb0 | twiadpaws_, gparted ? |
| 13:35.18 | twiadpaws_ | Dumb0, does that no harm to any windows system? |
| 13:36.22 | Dumb0 | twiadpaws_, don't know for vista but for XP it's worked fine with me |
| 13:36.47 | twiadpaws_ | Dumb0, great. Gonna try it then. Thanks for help. |
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| 13:37.09 | Dumb0 | :) |
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| 13:38.05 | twiadpaws_ | Dumb0, How long does it take to reallocate 20 GB? |
| 13:38.18 | themill | twiadpaws_: congratulations on reinstalling debian that fast over your ubuntu system. |
| 13:38.23 | JarlG | man iwconfig works, but iwconfig itself returns command not found |
| 13:38.39 | twiadpaws_ | themill, Thanx. ;) |
| 13:38.40 | themill | JarlG: are you running it as root? |
| 13:38.55 | JarlG | themill, no - is it necessary? Seems so.. |
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| 13:39.08 | JarlG | I see, thanks :) |
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| 13:40.08 | mnuhn | what are the steps i need to perform, in order to use a full debian unstable release? i only have a virtual server, where i get a 5.0.0 debian. i want to use some bleeding edge software for coding.... |
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| 13:40.28 | mnuhn | i guess i have to change the sources.list |
| 13:40.37 | mnuhn | is that true? |
| 13:40.39 | themill | mnuhn: specifically what are you looking for? |
| 13:40.50 | mnuhn | basically i want the newest version of gstreamer |
| 13:40.57 | mnuhn | gstreamer-plugins-base |
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| 13:41.06 | mnuhn | but i don't know how i can get this done |
| 13:41.22 | Dumb0 | twiadpaws_, it's depends on the pc configuration |
| 13:41.32 | mnuhn | (i tried to compile it, but that really didn't work out) |
| 13:41.35 | Agiofws | justin, NO |
| 13:41.38 | Agiofws | as user |
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| 13:42.01 | justin | Agiofws: that's not what you said before |
| 13:42.12 | Agiofws | it works on a newly created user doesn't work on my default user |
| 13:42.47 | Agiofws | why is it asking me for a PW when i am executing the same bin file ? |
| 13:42.53 | Agiofws | why won;t it run ? |
| 13:42.56 | justin | Agiofws: why is WHAT |
| 13:43.11 | mnuhn | themill: basically i want the newest version of gstreamer |
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| 13:43.16 | Agiofws | justin Agiofws: you have been running tomboy as root? |
| 13:43.22 | Agiofws | no ..i have not |
| 13:43.24 | justin | !+ask |
| 13:43.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:43.31 | Agiofws | ok |
| 13:43.39 | tdn | How do I get libopencore installed in Debian Lenny? I have added debian-multimedia sources. But still no opencore packages. Appearently. |
| 13:43.53 | justin | 09:08 < Agiofws> is anyone using tomboy note taker? i cant seem to start it as root... |
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| 13:43.54 | Agiofws | i am running the same executable via different users ... and 1) the executable asks fro a password BUT does not even work 2) running with the other user does not ask me for a PW and runs the application nicelly |
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| 13:44.26 | justin | Agiofws: you are making zero sense and contradicting yourself |
| 13:44.35 | themill | mnuhn: you'll probably be happier with testing rather than unstable, but even testing can be a bumpy ride. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze. |
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| 13:44.36 | Agiofws | ok ask |
| 13:44.49 | Agiofws | what do you want to know whats confusing you ? |
| 13:44.54 | themill | [14:08] <Agiofws> is anyone using tomboy note taker? i cant seem to start it as root and user if i create a new user t starts fine can anyone help out this is so stupid ... |
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| 13:45.31 | justin | Agiofws: i have no idea what you are doing, you keep saying 'it' 'the executable' |
| 13:45.35 | mnuhn | themill: okay, i maybe testing is etter |
| 13:45.45 | Agiofws | i cant start tomboy as defualt user agiofws ... ; if a create a new user and start it it works fine ; |
| 13:45.48 | justin | Agiofws: you need to start giving specifics |
| 13:45.55 | justin | !+ask |
| 13:45.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:46.09 | justin | Agiofws: and what happens when you start tomboy as user agiofws? |
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| 13:46.43 | Agiofws | basically nothing it asks me to authenticate in console i type root pw and still nothing |
| 13:46.47 | themill | mnuhn: remember that whatever you develop that uses this new gstreamer won't be able to be used by people using the current stable debian release... that's not always a good situation to be putting yourself in. |
| 13:46.49 | justin | Agiofws: WTF? |
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| 13:46.57 | justin | Agiofws: tomboy does not ask you to authenticate, wtf are you doing? |
| 13:47.12 | Agiofws | justin, thats what i am asking my self aswell |
| 13:47.19 | Agiofws | its strange |
| 13:47.26 | mnuhn | themill: i want to write server software that is only run on my machine ... but of course i understand what you say |
| 13:47.26 | justin | Agiofws: pastebin your terminal session |
| 13:47.32 | themill | Agiofws: you still haven't told us what version of debian you're running |
| 13:47.42 | Agiofws | lenny |
| 13:47.46 | Dumb0 | Agiofws, is the users that can running your application belongs to the same group ? |
| 13:47.55 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$tomboy |
| 13:47.55 | Agiofws | Password: |
| 13:47.58 | themill | mnuhn: testing isn't recommended for use on servers -- it has no security support and it's a moving target. |
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| 13:48.17 | Agiofws | lets check |
| 13:48.50 | mnuhn | themill: for now it's just for some rapid prototyping. i guess i will have to compile the things i need later on anyway... |
| 13:49.35 | justin | Agiofws: run 'which tomboy' |
| 13:49.49 | Agiofws | /usr/local/bin/tomboy |
| 13:50.05 | justin | sigh |
| 13:50.14 | justin | Agiofws: and wtf is /usr/local/bin/tomboy? |
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| 13:50.28 | Agiofws | an executable ? |
| 13:50.35 | justin | Agiofws: really? |
| 13:50.37 | acidtripper | tomboy |
| 13:50.40 | justin | Agiofws: file /usr/local/bin/tomboy |
| 13:50.44 | acidtripper | is stiky for |
| 13:50.47 | acidtripper | desktop |
| 13:50.49 | acidtripper | like notes |
| 13:50.53 | acidtripper | gnome |
| 13:50.54 | justin | acidtripper: stop talking |
| 13:51.17 | Agiofws | /usr/local/bin/tomboy: a bash script text executable |
| 13:51.26 | justin | Agiofws: and where did that file come from? |
| 13:51.49 | zareliman | Is it safe to download the amd64 kernel and use it under my 686-x86 installation ? |
| 13:51.57 | themill | acidtripper: less with the enter key, less noise, more signal, please. |
| 13:52.11 | themill | Agiofws: nothing in debian sticks things in /usr/local/ |
| 13:52.16 | Agiofws | justin, make install |
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| 13:52.17 | Dumb0 | maybe you have a conflict beetwhen a pre-compiled version version and a source version ? did you tried to install another application before ? |
| 13:52.23 | Dumb0 | Agiofws, |
| 13:52.28 | acidtripper | sorry? |
| 13:52.28 | justin | Agiofws: i give up |
| 13:52.41 | acidtripper | what is your problem themill? |
| 13:52.50 | acidtripper | justin: ?? |
| 13:52.51 | Agiofws | justin, don;t cause the saem happens with the package manager |
| 13:53.03 | Agiofws | same* |
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| 13:53.28 | Agiofws | the problem is wht is it runnig ok as a newly created user |
| 13:53.57 | acidtripper | "debian users are linux users whose brains had been washed!" |
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| 13:54.07 | Dumb0 | justin, I think that he tried to install a source version before this why it's in conflict with the his package version |
| 13:54.09 | zeroConf | does not feel blocked toominator |
| 13:54.35 | zeroConf | does not feel blocked tominator |
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| 13:55.07 | khaije | is there a way to tell which apps are filling up my swap? |
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| 13:55.34 | khaije | or why? my swap only ever seems to go past 5% when there is something wrong |
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| 13:56.21 | Agiofws | can anyone help ? |
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| 13:56.58 | Agiofws | do you want me to uninstall he source and install via apt-get |
| 13:56.59 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 13:57.12 | Tominator | zeroConf: what is it then? :D |
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| 13:57.23 | Agiofws | i stll get the same results |
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| 13:58.45 | Dumb0 | Agiofws, remove or rename your executable file : /usr/local/bin/tomboy.. and after that try to get the pre-compiled version |
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| 13:59.28 | sylar | I get half the performance dding from lvm then dding from the mdadm array |
| 13:59.31 | sylar | any clue? |
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| 13:59.49 | Agiofws | i'll uninstall it |
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| 14:00.45 | Agiofws | tomboy-0.14.3$make distclean |
| 14:00.47 | Dumb0 | Agiofws, ok but make sure that there is no more executable |
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| 14:00.58 | justin | distclean!=uninstall |
| 14:01.05 | Dumb0 | Agiofws, it's not enough :S |
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| 14:01.19 | JarlG | is "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid 'xxxx' " supposed to return anything? |
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| 14:01.28 | justin | JarlG: no |
| 14:01.35 | Agiofws | whereis tomboy |
| 14:01.35 | Agiofws | tomboy: /usr/bin/tomboy /usr/local/bin/tomboy /usr/local/lib/tomboy |
| 14:01.36 | JarlG | justin: okay, thanks. |
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| 14:02.24 | Dumb0 | Agiofws, as I said you have a conflict betwheen versions |
| 14:02.44 | Dumb0 | I guess* |
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| 14:02.54 | Agiofws | Dumb0, rm /usr/local/lib/tomboy ? |
| 14:03.13 | Dumb0 | Agiofws, No just the executables |
| 14:03.23 | Dumb0 | /usr/bin/tomboy and /usr/local/bin/tomboy |
| 14:03.33 | Agiofws | done |
| 14:03.43 | Dumb0 | now apt-get the application |
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| 14:04.03 | Agiofws | 10.5MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 14:04.30 | arvind_khadri | hiii |
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| 14:04.44 | twisted` | how do I change the default gcc on debian? I know there's a command for it... |
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| 14:05.40 | mnuhn | themill: thanks for your help. is it right, that i don't have to reboot machine? |
| 14:06.06 | twisted` | cause for some reason the default gcc in debian lenny is different then the one used to build the kernel |
| 14:06.06 | cursive | twisted`: do you mean apt-get remove gcc then apt-get install <new-compiler>? |
| 14:06.09 | twisted` | >_< |
| 14:06.20 | Agiofws | Dumb0, ok installed |
| 14:06.22 | twisted` | cursive: no I mean the command that u can choose which gcc you want to use |
| 14:06.25 | Agiofws | you want to run it ? |
| 14:06.36 | cursive | hmmmm, not sure then |
| 14:06.56 | Dumb0 | Agiofws, now try again if it works |
| 14:07.01 | Agiofws | /usr/bin/tomboy /usr/lib/tomboy /usr/local/lib/tomboy /usr/share/tomboy /usr/share/man/man1/tomboy.1.gz |
| 14:07.07 | twisted` | nvm made a symlink |
| 14:07.11 | twisted` | but there's supposed to be a command :p |
| 14:07.14 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$tomboy |
| 14:07.14 | Agiofws | Password: |
| 14:07.14 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ |
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| 14:07.59 | Ziber | I'm new to debian. Where do I put users to allow them sudo access? |
| 14:08.25 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/63781 |
| 14:08.31 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/63782 |
| 14:08.45 | twisted` | Ziber: wheel |
| 14:09.05 | Agiofws | Dumb0, does not work |
| 14:09.07 | Agiofws | either |
| 14:09.12 | Ziber | twisted`: the user group? |
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| 14:09.50 | Dumb0 | Agiofws, sorry so |
| 14:10.12 | twisted` | Ziber: yup |
| 14:10.27 | twisted` | oh wait, not sure, wheel is so u can become root |
| 14:10.28 | acidtripper | Agiofws: why you'r so intersted in tomboy? |
| 14:10.36 | Ziber | ubuntu has /etc/sudoers... |
| 14:10.49 | justin | Ziber: so does debian |
| 14:10.51 | acidtripper | all linux have /etc/sudoers |
| 14:11.06 | Agiofws | acidtripper, all my notes are in it ... |
| 14:11.11 | acidtripper | uhh |
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| 14:11.26 | acidtripper | add usrname to sudoers |
| 14:11.30 | Ziber | acidtripper: not the debian im using... |
| 14:11.37 | justin | Ziber: because you dont have sudo installed? |
| 14:11.42 | Ziber | oh |
| 14:11.44 | Ziber | lol |
| 14:11.49 | Ziber | just realized that debian wouldnt come with it |
| 14:11.49 | acidtripper | and where is sudoers file? |
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| 14:11.53 | Ziber | acidtripper: /etc/ |
| 14:11.57 | acidtripper | maybe you have to create d file |
| 14:12.05 | Ziber | i had to apt-get install it |
| 14:12.07 | acidtripper | what im telling sudoers is on /etc/sudoers |
| 14:12.15 | justin | Agiofws: i have no idea what you did to your system to break it |
| 14:12.22 | acidtripper | nano, mcedit, gedit.. /etc/sudoers |
| 14:12.22 | justin | Agiofws: I suggest asking to tomboy developers |
| 14:12.26 | Agiofws | i didn't ./... |
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| 14:12.44 | Agiofws | why does it work on a newly created user ? |
| 14:12.54 | justin | Agiofws: again, I have no idea what you did |
| 14:13.07 | Agiofws | something is so so so PH ucking wrong |
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| 14:13.49 | JarlG | when performin iwlist wlan0 scan, how can I get it to return only the information of a network with essid "foo" |
| 14:13.51 | JarlG | ? |
| 14:13.57 | acidtripper | and if you run it like root? |
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| 14:14.25 | acidtripper | and recover your data? |
| 14:14.44 | acidtripper | i havent used tomboy, but is an alternative |
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| 14:14.58 | Agiofws | JarlG, grep it |
| 14:15.22 | justin | you don't need to 'recover' the data |
| 14:15.27 | justin | tomboy stores the notes as plain text files |
| 14:15.28 | JarlG | I tried, it only shows the line in which foo is showed |
| 14:15.41 | acidtripper | iwconfig wlan0 essid "foo" |
| 14:15.44 | JarlG | agiofws: it returns " essid "foo" " |
| 14:15.44 | acidtripper | dhcpcd wlan0 |
| 14:15.53 | acidtripper | and you will be conected to foo |
| 14:16.24 | acidtripper | Agiofws : Tomboy stores your notes under the ~/.tomboy directory, |
| 14:16.33 | Agiofws | acidtripper, it does |
| 14:16.40 | Agiofws | i still need it work though |
| 14:16.58 | Agiofws | is there a another note taker that will work ? |
| 14:17.00 | acidtripper | so? take your notes out and create a new user :P |
| 14:17.07 | Agiofws | with tomboys onces ? |
| 14:17.18 | Agiofws | acidtripper, i did |
| 14:17.25 | acidtripper | you said that in new used tomboy works |
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| 14:17.48 | JarlG | acidtripper: "sudo dhcpcd wlan0" returns command not found :-/ |
| 14:17.51 | Agiofws | whene ever i want to take a note i will have to run it as a new user ? |
| 14:18.07 | justin | because it's dhclient |
| 14:18.07 | acidtripper | user* |
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| 14:18.42 | JarlG | justin: thanks! |
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| 14:19.07 | Agiofws | what does gconf do ? |
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| 14:19.20 | acidtripper | ja |
| 14:19.27 | acidtripper | it depens on the distro |
| 14:19.34 | acidtripper | lol |
| 14:19.37 | Titan8990_ | Agiofws, gnome specific configurations |
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| 14:19.59 | Agiofws | i can smell this has something to do with F gnonme |
| 14:20.11 | acidtripper | Jarlg: connected ? |
| 14:20.22 | JarlG | acidtripper: Nope. :-/ |
| 14:20.43 | JarlG | acidtripper: I did essid "xxx" and key xxxxxx |
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| 14:20.51 | JarlG | then dhclient |
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| 14:21.10 | acidtripper | dhclient wlan0 |
| 14:21.20 | JarlG | acidtripper: Yeah, that's what I meant. :/ |
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| 14:21.37 | acidtripper | and? |
| 14:21.38 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, was your key in hex form? |
| 14:21.38 | acidtripper | ping www.google.com? |
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| 14:21.46 | acidtripper | !ping |
| 14:21.46 | dpkg | Yes, acidtripper, you are online. |
| 14:21.55 | acidtripper | no asshole |
| 14:22.00 | acidtripper | i was telling JarG |
| 14:22.06 | acidtripper | lol |
| 14:22.10 | JarlG | acidtripper: ping doesn't work. haha :P |
| 14:22.21 | JarlG | hex form, what do you mean? |
| 14:22.27 | acidtripper | hexadecimal |
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| 14:22.44 | JarlG | I know that, but doesn't tell me more :P |
| 14:22.52 | JarlG | I wrote it like I would usually |
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| 14:23.29 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, a wep key is a hexdecimal string |
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| 14:23.43 | JarlG | Yeah, do I have to write it in a special manner? |
| 14:23.46 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, in the windows world you typically use ascii passphrases that are converted into hex form |
| 14:23.48 | JarlG | Is that what You mean? |
| 14:24.01 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, in linux you must use the hex key, not the ascii passphrase |
| 14:24.11 | JarlG | Yes, I am using the hex. |
| 14:24.20 | JarlG | Now I understand :) |
| 14:24.41 | Titan8990_ | does it show you being associated with the ap? |
| 14:24.59 | JarlG | dhclient, you mean? |
| 14:25.06 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, iwconfig |
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| 14:25.27 | JarlG | Titan8990, how do I check that out? /proc/net/wireless? |
| 14:25.38 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, type iwconfig and press enter |
| 14:26.06 | JarlG | it lists some things for wlan0, essid is what I've set it to etc. |
| 14:26.52 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, if it shows the essid that usually means your associated |
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| 14:27.10 | justin | Titan8990_: false |
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| 14:27.11 | JarlG | And that's good - but what may be the problem then? |
| 14:27.27 | justin | if it says you are associated that means you are associated |
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| 14:29.03 | Titan8990_ | justin, which shows where? dpaste.com/93442 |
| 14:29.05 | JarlG | Titan8990, justin: AP = not-associated, it says |
| 14:29.17 | JarlG | acess point = AP |
| 14:29.21 | justin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.57 | justin | the ssid will say whatever you set it to |
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| 14:30.02 | Titan8990_ | ehh w/e.... JarlG does your router do any type of debugging/logging that reports failed auth or associations? |
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| 14:30.22 | JarlG | Don't think so.. |
| 14:30.30 | Titan8990_ | what kind of access point is it? |
| 14:31.08 | JarlG | err. We have a router and a modem, with a phone connected >.> |
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| 14:32.23 | JarlG | I set AP to any AND IT WORKS |
| 14:32.23 | JarlG | \ |
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| 14:32.47 | JarlG | Titan8990, justin: Thanks a bunch! :D |
| 14:32.55 | ribasushi | bah... what would be the reason for manpages to disappear from a package? |
| 14:33.03 | ribasushi | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/samba-common/filelist |
| 14:33.03 | ribasushi | vs |
| 14:33.07 | ribasushi | http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/samba-common/filelist |
| 14:33.11 | ribasushi | changelog does not say anything |
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| 14:33.26 | otakup0pe | hey any debian devs around :\/ |
| 14:33.32 | otakup0pe | what directory does preinst et all run in |
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| 14:34.21 | otakup0pe | whoops i'm doing it wrong anyway nm. |
| 14:34.33 | JarlG | titan8990, justin: will these settings load upon startup? |
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| 14:36.40 | hid3nax | Good afternoon everyone. Is there (already) a possibility in debian/stable to make & mount ext4 fs easily? (Assuming that my custom kernel supports ext4, of course) |
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| 14:37.10 | himuraken | hid3nax, funny, I was just about to ask about ext4 support in Lenny |
| 14:37.27 | hid3nax | himuraken: telepathy works, indeed. |
| 14:38.17 | hid3nax | seems there really exists mkfs.ext4 |
| 14:38.26 | hid3nax | but I'm not sure if you can mount that one |
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| 14:38.29 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, sorry, how did you configure it? |
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| 14:38.52 | ribasushi | hid3nax: mount depends only on the kernel |
| 14:39.06 | ribasushi | hid3nax: the binary itself couldn't care less what it mounts |
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| 14:39.09 | wsxws | hi there |
| 14:39.21 | JarlG | titan8990: I typed "sudo iwconfig wlan0 ap any" |
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| 14:39.42 | JarlG | titan8990: will these settings load upon startup? |
| 14:39.42 | hid3nax | Oh, I see |
| 14:40.03 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, no, you will need to configure in network-manager or /etc/network/interfaces for it to be permanent |
| 14:40.11 | hid3nax | so is it worth migrating my root partition to ext4 then? (still using LILO) |
| 14:40.28 | JarlG | titan8990_: Thanks, I will. :) |
| 14:40.36 | ranix | hid3nax: probably not? |
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| 14:40.47 | hid3nax | and why not? |
| 14:40.52 | Titan8990_ | why would you? |
| 14:41.15 | ranix | !iyhtays |
| 14:41.15 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 14:41.26 | hid3nax | I'm still using ext2. But it takes me looooong to start using ext3. Actually I was already compiling my kernel when I saw ext4 support :D |
| 14:41.45 | justin | uhh.. switching from ext2 to ext3 takes 30 seconds |
| 14:41.47 | Titan8990_ | ext2 can be easily converted to ext3 |
| 14:41.48 | himuraken | I have a disk that I beleive to be formatted with ext4, it mounts but I cannot access, guess I need a newer kernel eh? RUnning base Lenny right now |
| 14:41.49 | hid3nax | Well, I've heard ext4 is faster, especially fsck runs faster there |
| 14:42.29 | hid3nax | himuraken, check if your kernel sopports ext4 |
| 14:42.39 | Titan8990_ | hid3nax, if speed means more to you than stability and you want to get down with some tinkering, do for it |
| 14:42.52 | himuraken | hid3nax, it doesnt, looks like I need to be .27 or higher, .26 as of now. |
| 14:42.55 | Titan8990_ | s/do/go |
| 14:42.55 | ranix | ext4 has similar features to xfs |
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| 14:43.00 | JarlG | Titan8990_: can I just type in "iwconfig wlan0 essid 'foo' " etc in the file you linked? |
| 14:43.01 | hid3nax | Titan8990: what stability concerns are there in ext4 still? |
| 14:43.16 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, no, they layout is a little different, sec |
| 14:43.36 | hid3nax | himuraken: you'd better check you /boot/config for CONFIG_EXT4_FS |
| 14:43.50 | himuraken | K sec. |
| 14:44.40 | hid3nax | And about migrating ext2->ext3: I'm planning a hardware upgrade (new disk) so I'll be making new partitions and etc. I don't think it's worth to convert my old ones from ext2 to ext3... |
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| 14:45.06 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch05.en.html#_the_wireless_lan_interface_with_wep |
| 14:45.20 | himuraken | hid3nax, I see CONFIG_EXT4DEV_FS=m |
| 14:45.21 | himuraken | CONFIG_EXT4DEV_FS_XATTR=y |
| 14:45.21 | himuraken | CONFIG_EXT4DEV_FS_POSIX_ACL=y |
| 14:45.21 | himuraken | CONFIG_EXT4DEV_FS_SECURITY=y |
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| 14:45.40 | himuraken | whoops sorry bout the paste |
| 14:45.48 | himuraken | did you get that hid3nax ? |
| 14:45.49 | Titan8990_ | hid3nax, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Disadvantages |
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| 14:46.05 | hid3nax | btw, anyone know what those POSIX ACLs do? I'm not sure if I need them... |
| 14:46.10 | smhar | greeings |
| 14:46.12 | Piet | since upgrading to gnome 2.22, my trash will always display as empty, even though i moves files into it |
| 14:46.14 | Piet | and these files are actually stored in .local/share/Trash |
| 14:46.18 | JarlG | Thanks, titen |
| 14:46.21 | JarlG | titan** |
| 14:46.27 | Titan8990_ | hid3nax, allow for acls on files and directories |
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| 14:47.02 | Piet | but neither nautilus nor the trash icon on the desktop indicate existance of these files in trash |
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| 14:47.30 | Piet | would you know how to make naultilus trash:/// show the files in trash again? |
| 14:48.01 | hid3nax | Titan8990: uh, possible data loss. I want to jump to ext3 to prevent data loss if I'll be having electricity problems. In that case ext4 is not for me, at least yet. |
| 14:48.25 | hid3nax | Titan8990: does those ACLs mean unix permissions (chmod)? |
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| 14:49.14 | himuraken | So, a kernel upgrade from 2.6.26 is required to read ext4 eh? |
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| 14:49.55 | smhar | I just installed Pan and I am trying to connect to an news server, but the 'connection' stage seems to take for ever. is this normal |
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| 14:50.12 | ranix | how about you jump to a UPS if you'll be having electricity problems instead |
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| 14:52.02 | hid3nax | ranix: there are some cases when there's no power for >30 minutes. And besides I'm using UPS but it's old and doesn't hold much (just a few seconds) |
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| 14:52.12 | ranix | hid3nax: that |
| 14:52.21 | petemc | sucks |
| 14:52.23 | sylar | my mdadm performance sucks |
| 14:52.31 | ranix | hid3nax: that's why you have the machine gracefully shut down after 15 or 20 minutes on ups power |
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| 14:52.44 | ranix | hid3nax: we have serial cables and powstatd for things like that, these days |
| 14:53.12 | sylar | I did dd from 7 disks in parallel and got 97MB/s from each, and raid6 array on all of them also gives just about 100MB/s |
| 14:53.25 | sylar | instead of 600MBs |
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| 14:54.28 | ranix | the raid6 performance would theoretically be 97MB/s *5, more like 500 than 600 |
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| 14:55.04 | ranix | I wouldn't trust dd to be an adequate test of the array |
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| 14:55.26 | sylar | ranix, I would be happy with 400 |
| 14:55.35 | himuraken | what does hdparm give you? |
| 14:55.49 | hid3nax | rain: I'm using the monitoring too but the UPS shuts down without sending a note/warning about it... |
| 14:56.13 | himuraken | My work system runs a RAID0 (md) and hdparm -tT /dev/md0 give 150 |
| 14:56.18 | himuraken | WHich is proper |
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| 14:56.58 | hid3nax | Oops, sorry rain, that message was for ranix |
| 14:57.09 | abrotman | 150 .. mine gets 123,652,000 |
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| 14:57.48 | ranix | my 3 disk raid 5 gives roughly 180mb/s via hdparm tests |
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| 14:58.20 | paxed | debian testing, emacs uses some weirdly small font, and i can't get it to obey any fonts i set, eg from the commandline. the windows blinks with the right size for the larger font, but then resizes to the small font before showing anything. |
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| 14:58.44 | hid3nax | I have a complex here: I'm afraid that my new kernel won't boot. That's probably because I recompile mine almost every 3 years only... |
| 14:58.46 | himuraken | 150/MBps |
| 14:58.49 | himuraken | ranix, that sounds proper. |
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| 14:59.21 | Peregrine | i can't install SSH2 for php on Debian 4.0 ( Leny) i'm trying from tarball ssh2-0.11.0, it return error on install |
| 14:59.52 | ranix | my raid 0 is 829mb/s cached, 77.8mb/s buffered |
| 14:59.54 | hid3nax | Isn't lenny a 5.0? |
| 15:00.13 | abrotman | Peregrine: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 15:00.15 | Peregrine | yes sorry 5.0 |
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| 15:00.27 | abrotman | Peregrine: wait .. ssh for php ? |
| 15:00.29 | Peregrine | already done i have openssh installed |
| 15:00.41 | hid3nax | php 4 ssh? |
| 15:00.51 | Peregrine | php5 |
| 15:00.51 | ranix | hdparm actually gives better results for the single disk than it does for the raid 0 |
| 15:00.55 | hid3nax | you wanna be able access ssh via your web browser? |
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| 15:01.20 | Peregrine | yes right, i would like to execute some cmd via php |
| 15:01.30 | Peregrine | to control an application via web |
| 15:01.47 | hid3nax | I doubt you need PHP for that. I saw some software written in Java for that |
| 15:02.30 | Peregrine | all that i need is to install the module SSH connections with PHP |
| 15:03.07 | sylar | himuraken, what do I do with hdparm? |
| 15:03.22 | himuraken | as root, hdparm -tT /dev/md0 |
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| 15:03.42 | himuraken | Assuming your md device is md0 |
| 15:04.06 | himuraken | sylar, so you can test individual disks with /dev/sda etc, and the md raid with /dev/md0 |
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| 15:06.38 | sylar | /dev/md6:Timing cached reads: 2248 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1123.75 MB/sec |
| 15:06.38 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:07.25 | sylar | /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 2262 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1131.42 MB/sec |
| 15:07.26 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.51 | sylar | I get worse results for 7 disks in parallel |
| 15:07.56 | sylar | then one disk |
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| 15:08.22 | himuraken | So you are getting 96MB a sec, thats about the speed I would expect from a single sataII disk, sound right? |
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| 15:08.43 | himuraken | You are getting slower speed from the md device |
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| 15:12.23 | JarlG | It seems the settings from my /etc/network/interface is not loaded on boot, is there a general mistake? |
| 15:12.47 | JarlG | typical mistake** |
| 15:12.54 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, network-manager will overwrite setting in interfaces unless it is disabled |
| 15:13.06 | themill | no it won't |
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| 15:13.24 | Titan8990_ | JarlG, update-rc.d network-manager remove -f |
| 15:13.35 | Titan8990_ | themill, i have always had issues with it even running.... |
| 15:13.41 | themill | Titan8990_: please read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
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| 15:14.37 | abrotman | Titan8990_: oddly, i haven't figured out how it has never run on my box :) |
| 15:14.38 | rich_dnb | guys how do i get the java console up? |
| 15:14.42 | rich_dnb | so i can see error messages? |
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| 15:15.20 | JarlG | So, who is correct? Should I remove network-manager? |
| 15:15.42 | themill | JarlG: it's more likely that you have a syntax error in /e/n/interfaces |
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| 15:15.57 | hark | you don't need to |
| 15:16.17 | JarlG | themill, okay I'll check once more. I'm pretty sure there's not mistake.. |
| 15:16.29 | hark | JarlG: do you have an auto stanza? |
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| 15:16.55 | ranix | himuraken: I just did some testing. hdparm gives unreliable performance reports for md devices |
| 15:16.57 | JarlG | hark: What's that? :) |
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| 15:17.01 | themill | JarlG: perhaps pastebin the file |
| 15:17.21 | himuraken | ranix, well it is somewhat synthetic yes, but an OK test nevertheless |
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| 15:17.57 | sylar | himuraken, yes that is correct. PS. it would help if you write my nick, then I get it flashing |
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| 15:18.34 | JarlG | How do I create a link to pastebin? |
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| 15:20.04 | acemi | it'll give you the link after you paste your text |
| 15:20.05 | Titan8990_ | themill, are the README.Debian files not found in the sources? |
| 15:20.31 | abrotman | Titan8990_: they are |
| 15:20.44 | Ziber | how can i install locales, such as utf-8 on my box? |
| 15:20.56 | abrotman | Ziber: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:20.57 | ginx | Ziber: what distro? |
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| 15:21.10 | Titan8990_ | ginx, you can assume they are using debian here |
| 15:21.25 | rich_dnb | so i can see error messages? |
| 15:21.27 | abrotman | or they're lying :) |
| 15:21.27 | rich_dnb | guys how do i get the java console up? |
| 15:21.30 | JarlG | acemi: I am running irc from bash, I can't even see the link to where I can paste the code >.< |
| 15:21.40 | ginx | Titan8990_: oh, indeed :) Thought I was elsewhere |
| 15:22.17 | Dominicus | lying. That's awesome. Hey, abrotman, when the heck do you go to sleep man? |
| 15:22.24 | themill | JarlG: /msg dpkg pastebinit |
| 15:22.28 | abrotman | Dominicus: same time as you? |
| 15:22.41 | petemc | nice |
| 15:22.46 | Dominicus | abrotman: A likely story. lol |
| 15:23.04 | abrotman | Dominicus: you're Eastern time ... |
| 15:23.06 | SlayerXP | we pay a ninja to slip some experimental wide awake drugs into abrotman's snacks. |
| 15:23.20 | Dominicus | nods |
| 15:23.48 | Ziber | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is not installed |
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| 15:24.10 | SlayerXP | i'm sure they exagerate about the side effects though. he's not turned into a one-legged ginger lesbian yet. |
| 15:24.11 | JarlG | themill: is there a way to copy text from bash nano? :P |
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| 15:25.06 | ginx | JarlG: from bash? |
| 15:25.19 | JarlG | ginx: yes |
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| 15:25.44 | ginx | JarlG: what do you mean |
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| 15:25.57 | JarlG | ginx: nevermind, I'll do it manually |
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| 15:26.43 | JarlG | Ahh. I've got to go anyways, thanks themill, titan8990_ |
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| 15:27.15 | ginx | shrugs |
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| 15:29.05 | Titan8990_ | alright, this is really starting to bother me |
| 15:29.16 | Titan8990_ | there is no README.Debian in the sources for network-manager |
| 15:30.11 | r | i see this when i do autoreconf .. how can i fix this ? libmcrypt.m4:17: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBMCRYPT |
| 15:30.13 | Titan8990_ | unless i have to apply one of these patches first |
| 15:30.44 | abrotman | Titan8990_: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/network-manager/filelist |
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| 15:33.03 | r | there is a bug report on it but it states that this should be fixed alread. strange. |
| 15:33.30 | abrotman | not fixed in your version perhaps ? |
| 15:33.33 | Titan8990_ | abrotman, its called network-manager.README.Debian in the sources |
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| 15:33.45 | abrotman | Titan8990_: don't blame me, i'm just showing you |
| 15:33.50 | Titan8990_ | i was doing find . -name 'README.Debian' .... |
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| 15:34.11 | Titan8990_ | abrotman, i looked at the patch and saw where they modified it\ |
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| 15:34.54 | justin | Titan8990_: what 'sources' are you looking at exactly? |
| 15:35.20 | Titan8990_ | justin, lenny sources for network-manager |
| 15:35.26 | justin | Titan8990_: and how did you get the sources? |
| 15:35.30 | Titan8990_ | this was the line I was looking for "Only devices that are *not* listed in /etc/network/interfaces or which have |
| 15:35.30 | Titan8990_ | been configured "auto" and "dhcp" (with no other options) are managed by NM." |
| 15:35.37 | Titan8990_ | justin, apt-get source network-manager |
| 15:36.16 | justin | that should have pulled in the debian/ dir then |
| 15:36.39 | Titan8990_ | it did, i had trouble finding it do to the modified filename |
| 15:36.57 | Titan8990_ | i should have done find . -name '*README.Debian*' , then i would i found it |
| 15:37.13 | justin | i usually use find|grep README |
| 15:37.15 | justin | saves typing |
| 15:37.17 | CodeNinja | is there a way to set the nice level inside an init script for a service? |
| 15:37.25 | justin | also lets you easily match things like bin/foo |
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| 15:40.46 | ginx | :) |
| 15:40.54 | ginx | whoops |
| 15:40.57 | ginx | oh there we go |
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| 15:42.35 | hiwk | (debian testing), recently, probably due to an Xorg upgrade, my keyboard layout broke |
| 15:43.01 | hiwk | I used (a modified) us-intl, but now I can't get anything but us |
| 15:43.21 | hiwk | any ideas on where to begin? my xorg.conf does not seem to have been changed |
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| 15:43.45 | petemc | check the bts |
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| 15:45.38 | hiwk | bts? |
| 15:45.41 | hiwk | petemc: bts? |
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| 15:46.11 | hiwk | oh, bug tracking |
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| 15:48.14 | gasull | Hi. Has anybody used Skype to send SMS? I don't see how. Thanks |
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| 15:57.19 | cesar_CR | hello guys, my usb stick is not automounted : ) anymore, how can I find out the problem ? |
| 15:57.35 | cesar_CR | I can see the usb device via lsusb |
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| 15:57.57 | cesar_CR | but how can I mount it manually |
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| 15:58.25 | Titan8990_ | mount /dev/sdxx /mnt/foobar |
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| 15:59.38 | NoCode | What file do I have to edit to make partitions mount? |
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| 15:59.51 | cesar_CR | Titan8990, how can I find wich /dev/sdXX to use ? dmesg does not tell me |
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| 16:00.01 | \amethyst | NoCode: /etc/fstab |
| 16:00.06 | NoCode | thanks |
| 16:00.23 | ginx | cesar_CR: fdisk -l should list them in order of appearance |
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| 16:01.17 | g00se | cesar_CR: You might try find /dev/disk and use the ID or label to mount it |
| 16:01.42 | cesar_CR | g00se, ok thanks, I'll try that |
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| 16:04.05 | NoCode | I need to mount a data partition, I can't mount it because I'm not privileged as user. How can I make the partition mount? Or, at least what can I use to see what the partition is called so I can automatically mount it? I probably have to edit /etc/fstab. Do I need to look at mtab? |
| 16:04.31 | PiousMinion | What advantage does netinst ISOs have over bussinesscard ISOs? |
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| 16:04.44 | Vasistha | NoCode: "data partition"? |
| 16:04.56 | NoCode | Yeah. I have a partition with thigns stored on it |
| 16:05.12 | NoCode | including files I _need_ to use today. |
| 16:05.14 | PiousMinion | NoCode: fdisk -ls |
| 16:05.30 | Vasistha | heh. duh. |
| 16:05.30 | alokat | hey guys, i try to deaktivate mail.* and syslog für the postfix deamon .... if I kommand mail.log / mail.info and mail.warn in /etc/syslog.conf out doesn't work |
| 16:05.32 | Titan8990_ | PiousMinion, "as a regular user" |
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| 16:05.49 | themill | PiousMinion: the netinst has the entirety of the base install on the cd so you have a working system at the end even if you don't have a working network connection. The business card image doesn't; you must have a working connection to install anything |
| 16:05.54 | Vasistha | "kommand" = comment? |
| 16:06.03 | alokat | can someone help me? |
| 16:06.04 | NoCode | fdisk -ls didn't do anything. SHould I run it as root? |
| 16:06.06 | alokat | :-) |
| 16:06.19 | Vasistha | NoCode: yes, be root for a while |
| 16:06.39 | Titan8990_ | themill, if i remember right last time i did netisnt which was a couple days ago, even with 0 things selected in taskel it needed to download 6 packages |
| 16:06.58 | NoCode | Vasistha, It listed the partition |
| 16:07.12 | alokat | : vasistha jep sorry |
| 16:07.26 | Vasistha | jep = yep :) hehe |
| 16:07.35 | runa_ | hi i want to buy a laptop without windows installed. can you advise me a company that sells only the machine. |
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| 16:07.54 | Vasistha | NoCode: well, why don't you tell us something about it? you could pastebin the fdisk result or just tell us what type it is and the /dev point |
| 16:08.06 | NoCode | should I just pass the partition as, "/dev/sda3 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1" |
| 16:08.09 | gnusosa | runa_: you can always ask for a refund from microsoft or the company you bough it. |
| 16:08.09 | themill | Titan8990_: that will be stuff from lenny/updates that was released since the iso was made |
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| 16:08.23 | gnusosa | runa_: It would take you a week or several customer services calls |
| 16:08.23 | Titan8990_ | themill, makes sense |
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| 16:08.41 | gnusosa | runa_: But, you get the retail price of WinXP or whatever on a Check. |
| 16:08.58 | Vasistha | NoCode: okay, so you have an ext3 partition at /dev/sda3, great. Now just for testing purposes let's mount it as root and browse it; then we'll unmount it, make a more permanent place for it, and add it to /etc/fstab so normal users can mount it. Sound good? |
| 16:09.00 | g00se | runa_: http://mcelrath.org/laptops.html |
| 16:09.04 | runa_ | thanks i did not want it. what about warranty? |
| 16:09.11 | mathbr | Hi. I know this is not exactly Debian specific but I'm not sure where else to start: How can I mount an USB flash drive without fstab allowing normal users full permissions? |
| 16:09.14 | runa_ | *i did not know |
| 16:09.19 | mathbr | NTFS BTW |
| 16:09.25 | mathbr | And RW |
| 16:09.25 | runa_ | *what about the warranty |
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| 16:09.55 | \amethyst | mathbr: add the users to the 'plugdev' group and use something like gnome-volume-manager that mounts though hal |
| 16:10.05 | Vasistha | mathbr: man mount ought to have some instructions for that. Alternately you may be able to restrict access to the mount point directory via permissions |
| 16:10.26 | \amethyst | mathbr: or pmount |
| 16:10.29 | mathbr | \amethyst: I'm already in the plugdev group and I try to mount via Thunar |
| 16:10.39 | mathbr | Which should call exo-mount |
| 16:10.58 | Titan8990_ | mathbr, aptitude install thunar-volman |
| 16:11.06 | mathbr | Vasistha: I'd like to mount without CLI just as I'd with FAT32 |
| 16:11.25 | mathbr | Titan8990: I don't want Thunar's volume manager. It works fine for FAT32 drives |
| 16:11.27 | \amethyst | mathbr: do you have thunar-volman? |
| 16:11.31 | \amethyst | mathbr: oh |
| 16:11.40 | Vasistha | mathbr: we need to first set it up with cli and then you'll be able to do that later |
| 16:12.01 | g00se | sudo mount -t vfat -o uid=xxx,gid=yyy /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 16:12.14 | mathbr | Like I said, no fstab and no CLI. ;-) |
| 16:12.51 | \amethyst | g00se: as he said, he wants users to be able to mount arbitrary NTFS USB devices without having access to root |
| 16:12.52 | mathbr | I guess I need to tell HAL about the permissions here but I don't know how. |
| 16:13.17 | Titan8990_ | mathbr, you don't make up your mind before you have your options... you view your options then you best select what fits your needs... |
| 16:14.16 | Titan8990_ | mathbr, HAL is controlled by XML files in /etc/hal/fdi/policy and it was poorly documented last i checked |
| 16:14.26 | mathbr | Titan8990: That's why :-/ |
| 16:14.27 | g00se | \amethyst: I wasn't totally sure what's required. You can also use udev rules to set perms http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#ownership |
| 16:15.14 | \amethyst | ownership of the device doesn't let you mount it |
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| 16:15.28 | Vasistha | mathbr: you know I apologize, I was also helping someone else with mounting and I think I got the two of you confused... probably best to ignore me :) |
| 16:16.04 | mathbr | BTW, I can mount it as user, I can just not see it's content and only see it is rw by root only |
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| 16:16.42 | g00se | Why not let it automount with the correct perms? |
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| 16:16.57 | mathbr | g00se: That's what I'm trying to get done. ^^ |
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| 16:17.33 | NoCode | mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda3 is already mounted on / |
| 16:17.36 | NoCode | hrm |
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| 16:18.07 | NoCode | actually, I think I'm on sda3 |
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| 16:21.05 | Vasistha | NoCode: do you know what it is you want to do, or is it already done? |
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| 16:22.06 | NoCode | I know a little what I need to do. My brain is just slow today. Slower than normal anyway. :P |
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| 16:23.28 | Legend1 | greets :) |
| 16:24.00 | Legend1 | I've got a licensing question |
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| 16:24.10 | EvilDin | hi, how should i set routes: i have wlan0 for default for internet connection, and eth0 for ip multicast streams, but when default is set to wlan0, vlc cannot get stream, what should i do ? Probably i have to set igmp, but don't know how ? |
| 16:24.14 | Legend1 | let's say I'm creating content for a game (art, music, whatever) |
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| 16:25.08 | Legend1 | Is there any way I can license that content that *requires* that the code it's distributed with be Free? |
| 16:25.13 | NoCode | My sda3 partition I'm already mount on says "errors=remount-ro" in options part of fstab. What should the options be if the partition I want to mount as user? There's 2 partition I do actually want to mount in fstab. One as regular user, and one as root. /dev/sda2 is going to be the one as regular user since it's my other distro. |
| 16:25.34 | azeem | Legend1: unlikely |
| 16:25.51 | azeem | I think |
| 16:25.56 | NoCode | So far I have: "/dev/sda2 /media/Jaunty ext3" |
| 16:26.18 | mathbr | Mounting via pmount at least makes me the owner of the mount but I can still not write to it⦠|
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| 16:26.27 | Legend1 | let's say that I made my own license, which says, in essence, that the content may only be distributed with code that satisfies the 4 requirements for Free Software. |
| 16:26.44 | azeem | what do you mean with "distributed"? |
| 16:26.49 | Legend1 | bundled |
| 16:26.53 | azeem | Legend1: I am not sure that would be DFSG-free |
| 16:26.55 | ginx | Legend1: everyone would hate your license |
| 16:26.56 | Legend1 | like, say, in a linux distro |
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| 16:27.20 | ginx | just pick a license that satisfies DFSG |
| 16:28.01 | Legend1 | yeah, but the problem there is that said license wouldn't require the code to be Free |
| 16:28.05 | PsiLoCoL | Hi. Where can i find a CDROM.images of Etch ? |
| 16:28.06 | Titan8990_ | Legend1, GPL is usually solid... you can sell the software but must provide the source code (couple different methods are allowed) meaning anyone can recompile if they wish (centos) |
| 16:28.14 | ginx | or go pub domain |
| 16:28.29 | Legend1 | okay, here's the deal |
| 16:28.37 | JNSamuel | bsd++ |
| 16:28.50 | Legend1 | bsd++? |
| 16:29.08 | themill | the bsd licence would be entirely inappropriate to this situation |
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| 16:30.19 | PsiLoCoL | found it, thanks anyways |
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| 16:31.04 | azeem | Legend1: anyway, CC-by-SA 3.0 is the recommended license for media these days I think |
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| 16:31.20 | Legend1 | well, I agree that it ought to be. |
| 16:31.30 | Legend1 | but |
| 16:31.48 | Legend1 | there are still ways you can get around it and use SA content with non-Free applications |
| 16:31.58 | azeem | yes, I guess |
| 16:32.00 | Legend1 | say I'm a proprietary game developer |
| 16:32.14 | azeem | Legend1: maybe ask in #debian-devel |
| 16:32.17 | Legend1 | and I write this game, which I give away for free |
| 16:32.20 | azeem | on oftc |
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| 16:32.29 | Legend1 | but I don't give away the source |
| 16:32.49 | Legend1 | that satisfies CC-BY-SA right there, doesn't it? It only has to be gratis, not libre. |
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| 16:33.24 | NoCode | /dev/sda2 /media/Jaunty ext3 auto,user,nonexec,ro 0 1 Does that looks alright? |
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| 16:34.03 | o2T7 | NoCode: Yes |
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| 16:34.26 | DelphiWorld | hello all |
| 16:34.28 | o2T7 | NoCode: well. nonexec i think it should be noexec |
| 16:34.39 | DelphiWorld | please any web interface to manage my debian, like webmin? |
| 16:34.54 | NoCode | cool, thanks |
| 16:35.38 | NoCode | I guess I'll restart x and see if this works |
| 16:35.42 | starenka | hi all a noob question. how to install newkernel from backports? i dont know exact package name (is it linux-image?) |
| 16:35.50 | mathbr | Thought I could avoid it but I installed ntfs-3g now. Works fine now. I thought the ntfs kernel module is already usable. :-/ |
| 16:35.53 | ginx | DelphiWorld: usermin? |
| 16:36.05 | Vasistha | starenka: it will be one of the linux-image- packages, yes. |
| 16:36.14 | starenka | Vasistha: ty |
| 16:36.52 | DelphiWorld | ginkok, thank you for suggesting it, while try it now! |
| 16:37.45 | DelphiWorld | ginx: and what about a IMAP/POP3 Server? postfix? |
| 16:38.02 | mathbr | Thanks anyways and bye! |
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| 16:40.30 | Titan8990_ | !webmin |
| 16:40.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 16:40.58 | starenka | Vasistha: hmm which one then? what does the bpo."1" or "2" means? |
| 16:41.09 | ginx | GUI administration is tying your own hands, anyways |
| 16:41.17 | starenka | (i know i need 686, but 1 and 2 confuses me) |
| 16:41.48 | starenka | forget it, i'm idiot :D |
| 16:41.59 | Titan8990_ | probably the revision |
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| 16:42.48 | starenka | thanks |
| 16:42.54 | azeem | Legend1: people say GPLing your artwork might work |
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| 16:55.29 | NoCode | So I'm trying to mount: /dev/sda4 /media/Storage ext3 auto,nouser,exec,ro 0 1" as root, or with all privs like I had in Ubuntu, but nouser still doesn't give me permissions to write as user. |
| 16:55.37 | NoCode | Any idea? |
| 16:56.21 | ginx | you might have to chown /media/Storage, too |
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| 16:57.01 | NoCode | What would I have to chown it to? |
| 16:57.04 | JyZyXEL | what shuts down the display when no HID activity is not detected? |
| 16:57.17 | JyZyXEL | when HID activity is not detected* |
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| 16:57.22 | ginx | NoCode: the users group would probably work |
| 16:57.39 | cahoot | dpms? |
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| 16:58.19 | g00se | Here's me installing bluez-utils: http://pastebin.com/fad8158 Looks pretty unhealthy and googling unhelpful. Nothing appears unwritable for root |
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| 16:58.45 | JyZyXEL | cahoot: no such daemon running |
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| 16:59.26 | g00se | NoCode: e.g. sudo mount -t vfat -o uid=xxx,gid=yyy /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
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| 17:01.15 | LjL | my wireless works quite intertermittently (it just started working again and i'm utterly confused), and the only link i can think of is i just upgraded my testing tonight, and the driver might possibly have swiched from rt2500pci to rt2500. thing is, if i comment out the rt2500 line from /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and only leave the rt2500pci one, it gets added back automatically; how would i prevent that? |
| 17:01.32 | NoCode | gilonix, "chown -R root:<user> /media/Storage"? |
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| 17:02.04 | cantoma | hey guys, how to unmount a disk that has been removed? |
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| 17:02.19 | cantoma | it still says that the device is occupied |
| 17:02.27 | themill | it's traditional to do it the other way around |
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| 17:02.48 | cantoma | themill, the mount it again?? |
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| 17:04.50 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: umount -l perhaps cantoma |
| 17:05.05 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: try eject actually |
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| 17:05.54 | NoCode | I tried "chown -R user:user /media/Storage", and it said, "chown: changing ownership of `/media/Storage/': Read-only file system" |
| 17:05.57 | NoCode | :( |
| 17:06.16 | benedikt | NoCode: mount the filesystem with rw then ;) |
| 17:06.24 | benedikt | -o rw |
| 17:06.55 | benedikt | mount /dev/??? /media/Storage -o rw |
| 17:06.57 | NoCode | ohh yeah. |
| 17:07.12 | themill | NoCode: you've got options set to include "ro" and "nouser". If you want to be able to mount it as a user to write to that disk, you need rw and user |
| 17:07.23 | NoCode | Thanks |
| 17:07.34 | NoCode | I'll restart x and see now I guess. |
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| 17:09.23 | XayOn_ | suddenly apt-get update returns me just 404 errors. And if I launch it against a apt-proxy it complains about request malformed |
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| 17:09.44 | XayOn_ | is anyone having the same problem? |
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| 17:10.14 | Titan8990_ | pastebin your sources.list |
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| 17:10.21 | catsup | apt-get update |
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| 17:10.56 | XayOn_ | Titan8990_: no need to pastebin, just one line: deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
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| 17:11.14 | NoCode | Woo! Thanks for the help. |
| 17:11.18 | XayOn_ | and catsup ... the problem is when apt-get updating ;-) |
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| 17:11.26 | XayOn_ | as I said... |
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| 17:12.07 | XayOn | also, squeeze, updated recently. |
| 17:12.07 | catsup | oh |
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| 17:12.56 | XayOn | Titan8990_: so sources.list is ok =( |
| 17:13.16 | Titan8990_ | yep, pastebin the full error |
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| 17:13.41 | XayOn | Titan8990_: one moment, spanish locale, I'll pastebin it in english. |
| 17:14.30 | XayOn | what the fuck? with LC_ALL=en_US works, with LC_ALL=es_ES don't |
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| 17:15.47 | XayOn | Titan8990_: also, I can't pastebin it, it won't pass the pastebin's spam filter =D |
| 17:16.21 | ginx | XayOn: use less silly pastebin |
| 17:16.26 | sei | hi |
| 17:16.28 | ginx | hi |
| 17:17.23 | XayOn | ginx: however, pastebin'n the error won't help. Isn't descriptive at all, just standard 404 errors. And since it seems like a locale problem... |
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| 17:17.30 | sei | private |
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| 17:18.16 | XayOn | If it's just me who are affected I think I'll think in my Xorg config, as I made it manually (intel drivers tests so I don't want hal to make it for me) |
| 17:18.31 | ginx | it's possible your ...what is it, glibc? Was only built with en_US locales, no? |
| 17:19.15 | XayOn | ginx: Oh! didn't tough on that, I upgraded glibc and I was in a hurry so I didn't pay attention to it. |
| 17:19.39 | ranix | I think dpkg-reconfigure locales will bitch and moan about that if glibc isn't compatable |
| 17:19.44 | XayOn | ginx: thanks, a locale-gen solved it |
| 17:19.49 | ginx | cool |
| 17:20.11 | ginx | deja vu |
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| 17:20.55 | XayOn | I was having some trouble with dri and intel, hope this upgrade/installation of libfoo-mesa-dri (=D, I know, it shouldn't work if not installed but...) will make it work. |
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| 17:21.29 | benedikt | XayOn: what intel card do you have? |
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| 17:22.51 | XayOn | i950 benedikt why? |
| 17:22.56 | NoCode | Surprisingly 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 works quite well with GM965 |
| 17:23.02 | NoCode | Maybe it's not a surprise. |
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| 17:24.09 | XayOn | Ok, 370fps, enough for me. |
| 17:24.25 | benedikt | XayOn: i have a 855 and I have been having really fucking weird issues with the latest driver |
| 17:24.26 | XayOn | for a cheap 400⬠laptop =) |
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| 17:24.56 | benedikt | XayOn: 370fps in glxgears? glxgears is NOT a benchmark. |
| 17:25.04 | NoCode | 5764 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1152.744 FPS here with a little customization to xorg |
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| 17:25.28 | zanberdo | question: I have a package installed and I want to know which package it is a dependency of (not which packaged depend on it). How can I get this info? |
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| 17:25.54 | XayOn | NoCode: with wich card? |
| 17:25.59 | NoCode | GM965 |
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| 17:26.49 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, that did umount it but i could not recover /dev/ number |
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| 17:27.10 | NoCode | But again, glxgears isn't a benchpark. Install a game that displays FPS and go wit hthat example if you want a true FPS reading. Or, test with Phoronix I think it's called. |
| 17:27.16 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i don't want to change my fstab table everytime this happens |
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| 17:28.07 | XayOn | benedikt: I meant driver i915, just noticed the typo. |
| 17:28.18 | benedikt | ah. |
| 17:28.25 | XayOn | NoCode: I have a GM45, and I don't want to play anything ;-) |
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| 17:30.09 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: what? |
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| 17:30.41 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, my old /dev/sdc1 is dead |
| 17:30.42 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: you're doing something very wrong |
| 17:30.58 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: what was sda1? a USB key? |
| 17:31.19 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i have many usb stuff connected with disks |
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| 17:31.32 | cantoma | this one is sdc1 |
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| 17:31.49 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:31.51 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:31.53 | cantoma | now if i plug it dmesh shows sdd1 |
| 17:31.54 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:31.56 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:31.58 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.05 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.07 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.11 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.13 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.15 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.16 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.19 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.22 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.23 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.25 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.27 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.29 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.31 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.34 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.36 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.38 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.40 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.42 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
| 17:32.56 | NoCode | !ops |
| 17:32.56 | Ur_Mom_Is_A | Spammer!!! |
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| 17:32.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 17:32.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 17:33.00 | cydork | !os Ur_Mom_Is_A = Spammer |
| 17:33.03 | cydork | !ops Ur_Mom_Is_A = Spammer |
| 17:33.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: cydork complains about: Ur_Mom_Is_A = Spammer |
| 17:33.08 | cydork | dammit |
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| 17:33.20 | Titan8990_ | dpkg doesn't function as a floodbot? |
| 17:33.21 | dpkg | i don't know, Titan8990_ |
| 17:33.32 | abrotman | no |
| 17:33.46 | cydork | Titan8990_: nope.. debhelper should do that.. right?? |
| 17:33.47 | stew | Titan8990_: no, debhelper does, but he might not have been going fast enough to trigger it |
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| 17:34.26 | cydork | he is back.. |
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| 17:34.51 | stew | he's still silenced |
| 17:34.56 | niko | :) |
| 17:34.56 | stew | Ur_Mom_Is_A: please see my PM |
| 17:35.10 | petemc | very diplomatic |
| 17:35.17 | cydork | stew: typed too fast.. :) |
| 17:35.22 | roguesmiler | lol he is spamming me |
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| 17:35.46 | xeon-enouf | roguesmiler: use /ig |
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| 17:36.04 | xeon-enouf | roguesmiler: block IP using /ig |
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| 17:36.19 | roguesmiler | nah |
| 17:36.22 | roguesmiler | I am amused by it |
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| 17:36.56 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: sort out your /dev/disk/by-* mess and stop pulling out USB things without umounting and/or eject'ing them |
| 17:37.11 | xeon-enouf | roguesmiler: is it good pr0n? :-p |
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| 17:37.22 | roguesmiler | nah |
| 17:37.29 | xeon-enouf | bah |
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| 17:37.38 | roguesmiler | He doesnt know how to spam |
| 17:37.45 | roguesmiler | he uses chatzilla |
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| 17:38.55 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, is there a way of cleaning it? without reboot the system? |
| 17:38.58 | cahoot | sure managed to get attention |
| 17:39.15 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, can i delete the device in root .. or it is not recommended? |
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| 17:40.28 | gaintsura | anyone know of a way to extract files from a .IMA ?according to file its a DOS Floppy Image, but the target machine has no floppy drive, need to push the files into a slipstreamed image |
| 17:41.06 | ginx | gaintsura: that sounds so familiar |
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| 17:41.13 | gaintsura | ginx: ? |
| 17:41.13 | pedronero | hi there |
| 17:41.28 | ginx | gaintsura: WinImage |
| 17:41.31 | pedronero | someone understands about ntfs-3g? |
| 17:41.42 | gaintsura | ginx: ok, will try that |
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| 17:42.17 | ginx | gaintsura: platinum rating in Wine's appdb |
| 17:42.18 | NoCode | How hard is it to compile empathy? |
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| 17:42.43 | gaintsura | ginx: :) super, still doesn't take away the need to install a vm to use n-lite :( |
| 17:42.43 | ginx | NoCode: some reason it would be more difficult than compiling something else? |
| 17:43.01 | ginx | gaintsura: well, for this problem alone you can use Wine |
| 17:43.21 | gaintsura | ginx: indeed :) |
| 17:43.29 | Titan8990_ | !tell pedronero about ask |
| 17:43.48 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: i dont' know what you're talking about - please /msg dpkg walot |
| 17:43.51 | NoCode | ginx, Yes. It looks like a pain in the arse. Yeah. http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Install |
| 17:44.08 | NoCode | Bit more than halfway down. |
| 17:44.29 | gaintsura | ginx: hm, maybe I won't have to install a vm for htis :) wine for the win |
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| 17:44.40 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: waldo's daddy is <reply> see walot |
| 17:44.40 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: okay |
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| 17:44.59 | themill | *blink* |
| 17:45.01 | xeon-enouf | canNOT remember that stupid 'walot' thing ... name |
| 17:45.27 | xeon-enouf | it's useful - just can't come up with an easy-to-recall-name |
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| 17:46.40 | ginx | NoCode: oh live.gnome :p |
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| 17:47.11 | ginx | NoCode: I thought Debian had a command to automatically compile things |
| 17:47.21 | ginx | apt-get-src install or something |
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| 17:47.51 | NoCode | gilonix, What does that do though? Where would it get the source code? |
| 17:48.58 | NoCode | There's empathy in the lenny repos, but it's not so updated. I wanted the most of up to date version. |
| 17:49.08 | abrotman | !tell NoCode about ssb |
| 17:49.13 | abrotman | but that will probably go poorly |
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| 17:49.39 | gaintsura | ginx: how do I install dotnet2 on wine? :S |
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| 17:50.04 | ginx | gaintsura: good question |
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| 17:50.12 | ginx | gaintsura: no idea, maybe winetricks has it? |
| 17:50.30 | ginx | gaintsura: for WinImage? |
| 17:50.48 | ginx | it's rated plat, so whatever it needs must be installable |
| 17:50.56 | NoCode | Is there a way to browse backports? |
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| 17:51.14 | NoCode | I guess I can do it through Synaptic |
| 17:51.15 | gaintsura | ginx: no, for n-lite |
| 17:51.15 | pedronero | I have a problem with ntfs-3g, i suppose. I'm running debian lenny. when I try to plug my external hdd it doesn't recognise it's partitions. it used to be ok, but i recently deleted some files using my windows 7 box. since then debian doesn't recognise the former hdd partition. it detects sdb but not sdb1. what's the problem with it? how can i force it? |
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| 17:51.28 | gaintsura | forgot to get winetricks |
| 17:52.15 | ginx | gaintsura: you're running n-lite in Wine? |
| 17:52.24 | helo | if i have a NAT machine, should machines behind the NAT be able to ping the NAT machine's external IP? |
| 17:52.50 | pedronero | yes helo |
| 17:53.02 | Titan8990_ | helo, yes, but only if NAT is the only factor |
| 17:53.05 | kazzy | why would you run n-lite in Wine? that's a Windows installation tool |
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| 17:53.09 | NoCode | Bleh, maybe I'll just reinstall Empathy again and hope a tutorial will turn up one day on the googol. :P |
| 17:53.09 | Titan8990_ | helo, firewall will often prevent that |
| 17:53.28 | helo | ok, that's gotta be what's happening |
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| 17:53.53 | kazzy | gaintsura: you won't be able to make a proper virtual machine, that's for sure |
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| 17:55.37 | gaintsura | kazzy: its not a windows installation tool |
| 17:55.41 | gaintsura | its a windows customization tool |
| 17:55.59 | gaintsura | ginx: its much faster than installing a vm :) |
| 17:56.02 | ginx | sounds like the kind of thing winetricks would automate, .net framework |
| 17:56.10 | gaintsura | it is :) |
| 17:56.12 | gaintsura | winetricks++ |
| 17:56.13 | kazzy | oh, I see, I thought it was for creating custom windows installs |
| 17:56.14 | ginx | cool |
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| 17:56.22 | gaintsura | kazzy: it is, but its not an installer |
| 17:56.36 | gaintsura | it takes the existing image, modifies it according to your options, then outputs a new image |
| 17:56.37 | ginx | kazzy: one could argue a Wine system is a functional Windows |
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| 17:58.09 | kazzy | ginx: for software that doesn't use kernel mode garbage |
| 17:58.59 | NoCode | Is selinux installed by default, and should I do anything to the policy to make it more secure? |
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| 18:00.05 | NoCode | I love the selinux factoid. "If you remove it, your system will be unbootable.xD |
| 18:00.22 | Titan8990_ | NoCode, http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
| 18:00.38 | porton | I installed nginx. What is the correct way to run it instead/together with Apache? |
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| 18:01.45 | gaintsura | NoCode: I actually removed SELinux.. it was bad |
| 18:02.42 | gaintsura | dotnet30 is broken on wine :S |
| 18:02.44 | NoCode | ouch |
| 18:02.58 | gaintsura | NoCode: I was left with nothing more than a shell... not even a kernel |
| 18:03.38 | no_mind | I force installed a package which required libgtk2.0-0 >- 2.17.10 as only upto 2.17.9 are available for i386 (that too in experimental). everything is going fine except when I try to install any new package I get an error saying unmet dependencies. When I try to do apt-get -f install, it tries to remove the package orginally installed. Is theer a way to get rid of thsi dependency problem and install new packages ? |
| 18:03.53 | Titan8990_ | porton, should just need to run it on a different port than apache is running on |
| 18:04.09 | porton | Titan8990_: I know this. How to do? |
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| 18:04.20 | NoCode | gaintsura, hmm. I'd like to experiment with selinux in debian with a virtual machine and see what I'd need to install again to make the system boot. But it sounds like a lot of trouble, and reinstalling. |
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| 18:04.36 | gaintsura | porton: I do a similar method with citadel, it runs its own www-server but you can add a vhost into apache for that specific setup |
| 18:04.49 | Titan8990_ | porton, don't know about nginx but in apache its configured in /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 18:04.59 | gaintsura | NoCode: yeah... it left me with an unusable system, ended up just reinstalling from cd |
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| 18:06.53 | Titan8990_ | NoCode, selinux is a lot of trouble but effective |
| 18:06.55 | Titan8990_ | not for your home user |
| 18:08.12 | NoCode | That's the point though. It'd be nice to learn what selinux can do, and use it so the laptop is secure. Though, if I can't connect to the internet, it's quite useless. For me that is. |
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| 18:09.15 | gaintsura | NoCode: as far as that is concerned, iptables is a good shot there, selinux is execution stuff I believe |
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| 18:09.58 | NoCode | Oh okay. |
| 18:10.03 | NoCode | makes sense |
| 18:10.38 | zanberdo | I'm using aptitude from the command line to search for packages. I want the version information in addition to the short description. Is there a switch to provide this? I've tryed -V without success. |
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| 18:13.38 | NoCode | I guess iptables, and a UI is better for the average user. but ufw and gufw makes it too easy. |
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| 18:14.11 | zanberdo | nm. apt-cache show x | grep Version does the trick |
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| 18:15.08 | abrotman | zanberdo: apt-cache policy ? |
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| 18:15.50 | abrotman | zanberdo: and if you feel ambitious .. you could read the aptitude docs .. it would probably tell you exactly how |
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| 18:16.03 | NoCode | Dunno if ufw is ubuntu specific though. |
| 18:16.28 | g00se | Do you agree that the following looks ok in dmeag for Bluetooth? http://pastebin.com/f62791a6f |
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| 18:17.26 | abrotman | zanberdo: aptitude search bash -F"%p %V" ... and there's probably even a better way |
| 18:17.32 | zanberdo | abrotman, yeah, i did read through the man file for aptitude and then apt-get and apt-cache, which lead me to apt-cache show with the pipe to grep |
| 18:17.46 | zanberdo | abrotman, I will check that out. |
| 18:17.50 | abrotman | zanberdo: the man page for aptitude is pretty empty compared to the full documentation |
| 18:18.06 | zanberdo | abrotman, yeah. apt-get and related apt- man is more complete. |
| 18:18.09 | abrotman | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ |
| 18:18.36 | zanberdo | abrotman, I can't recall exactly what I moved from apt-get to aptitude on the command line. something to do with dependency handling I think, but that was like a year ago and now I'm not so sure... :) |
| 18:19.10 | abrotman | zanberdo: aptitude is better at it |
| 18:19.56 | NoCode | I never use aptitude. Wouldn't "apt-get remove --purge <program>" work? |
| 18:20.03 | LjL | i've long had a problem with my all-in-one Epson RX500 only scanning via SANE after removing the "usblp" and "usb-storage" modules; i remember finding a bug about that, but it was also marked as fixed. suggestions? |
| 18:20.10 | NoCode | work similar* |
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| 18:21.27 | abrotman | zanberdo: looks like you should be able to do something like .. aptitude search "?name(bash)" -F"-p -V" .. but i get not quite what i expected for results |
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| 18:22.27 | abrotman | zanberdo: ah .. there we go .. aptitude search "?name(^bash$)" -F"%p %V" .. that's ugly :) |
| 18:22.51 | abrotman | waits for stew or themill to give him a dirty look |
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| 18:23.44 | zanberdo | abrotman, the issue, as it turns out, has to do with using aptitude to install openssh-server. for some reason it includes various x11 dependencies which are unneeded as this is a headless server with no X windows. I've used apt-get instead and this installs without the X11 dependencies. Odd, but functional. |
| 18:24.00 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: waldos is <reply> see walot |
| 18:24.00 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: okay |
| 18:24.01 | zanberdo | abrotman, heh, yeah, that is ugly! :) |
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| 18:24.15 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: forget waldos |
| 18:24.15 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: i forgot waldos |
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| 18:24.21 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: walos is <reply> see walot |
| 18:24.21 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: okay |
| 18:24.39 | factor | I have having trouble getting skype to work on the 64 bit version , anyone got it working? |
| 18:24.45 | xeon-enouf | walos == what a lot of shit (now, i can recall it) |
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| 18:25.33 | xeon-enouf | gives abrotman a real hacky look |
| 18:26.29 | [SpA]SaintK | Good evening everyone. I'm running Debian Lenny on a server. I have a question which i can't figure out using google. When you watch "top" you have a collum "PR" and "NI" which from what i gather indicate proccess priority. Now i've figured out to change the priority in the "NI" collum with the "renice" command, I just can't figure out how to deal with this "PR" collum. Any suggestions? |
| 18:26.31 | xeon-enouf | zanberdo: it's a depends due to xclient usage IIRC, otherwise you still have "Recommends" enabled (via default) |
| 18:27.17 | xeon-enouf | zanberdo: or.. aptitude isn't listening to your possible /etc/apt/apt.conf{.d}/* settings |
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| 18:27.36 | zanberdo | xeon-enouf, I will look into that. thanks |
| 18:27.49 | xeon-enouf | $ rgrep Recommends /etc/apt |
| 18:27.50 | xeon-enouf | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-recommends:APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 18:27.53 | xeon-enouf | zanberdo: ^^^^ |
| 18:28.07 | Phil25 | Hi, I need to transfer a few TB from 1 raid to another locally. Is the cp command good enough to prevent data corruption? or should I use an alternative like rsync? Thanks |
| 18:28.24 | xeon-enouf | zanberdo: the file i use (in sid mind you) is; /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-recommends |
| 18:28.42 | xeon-enouf | zanberdo: in Lenny ; /etc/apt/apt.conf suffices, IINM |
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| 18:29.19 | xeon-enouf | Phil25: use rsync |
| 18:29.56 | xeon-enouf | Phil25: rsync -a works for me .. you might want to add options such as --progress ... or maybe not ;-) |
| 18:30.18 | Phil25 | yeah I already use rsync to sync via the network, was just curious for local copies |
| 18:30.35 | xeon-enouf | Phil25: if you use cp, add -a .. or lok at tar + gz |
| 18:30.39 | Phil25 | if cp was good enough to prevent data integrity problems |
| 18:30.41 | xeon-enouf | and nc the sucker :-P |
| 18:30.56 | Phil25 | cant compress....migrating nas from 1 raid to another :P |
| 18:30.59 | petemc | copying large amounts of data with rsync can be painful, tho rsync 3 is better |
| 18:31.12 | xeon-enouf | Phil25: tar + gz is the typical *nix way ... |
| 18:31.17 | Phil25 | 4tv->15tb :P |
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| 18:31.58 | Phil25 | hmm...so compress/decompress to transfer files is typical? why so? |
| 18:32.12 | xeon-enouf | hopes Phil25 has good disk I/O ;-) |
| 18:32.32 | xeon-enouf | Phil25: preservation of perms and symlinks .. |
| 18:32.42 | Phil25 | 10x WD greens 1.5TB |
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| 18:33.10 | xeon-enouf | Phil25: though the gz not needed for local .. or not wanted |
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| 18:33.16 | xeon-enouf | depends on size :-P |
| 18:33.16 | Phil25 | oh ok |
| 18:33.22 | Phil25 | 4tb |
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| 18:33.30 | xeon-enouf | then you have newer CPIO ;-) |
| 18:34.00 | xeon-enouf | Phil25: that must be some _serious_ pr0n stash :-) |
| 18:34.29 | Phil25 | actually...there isnt a single byte of porn, that stays local :P |
| 18:34.40 | g00se | Do you agree that the following looks ok in dmeag for Bluetooth? http://pastebin.com/f62791a6f |
| 18:34.41 | Phil25 | mostly HDTV movies |
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| 18:35.12 | Phil25 | but I really do not care about perms, no one has write access xept 1 user |
| 18:35.22 | Phil25 | people only read from it |
| 18:35.52 | xeon-enouf | g00se: looks ok to me ... never used BT though :-P |
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| 18:36.07 | Phil25 | as for symlinks..there are none atm |
| 18:36.10 | Phil25 | so rsync it shall be |
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| 18:36.45 | xeon-enouf | Phil25: you mean all files are same user:group and same 'stat' for perms? |
| 18:37.02 | Phil25 | yes |
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| 18:37.23 | Phil25 | noone but ME touches the data |
| 18:37.35 | xeon-enouf | Phil25: try; cd /dir; find . -user username -group groupname -ls | wc -l |
| 18:37.45 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 18:38.08 | Phil25 | else I would have to revocer files every 2 days .. |
| 18:38.13 | xeon-enouf | how about -mtime, -atime, -ctime ? |
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| 18:38.21 | g00se | xeon-enouf: Well probably one of the few things you might not be able to follow up on then ;-) |
| 18:38.22 | ajavid | good afternoon |
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| 18:38.37 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: hola amigo |
| 18:38.39 | ajavid | what could cause a debian stable system to mysterious disappear user crons |
| 18:38.55 | xeon-enouf | hrm .. crontab -l as user? |
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| 18:39.18 | ajavid | I had 4 jobs running every second of every minute of everyday. I never did anything to change it, it should still be running, however, crontab -l says no tabs for user, and wtf. |
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| 18:39.20 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: i _think_ those are stored in /var/ somewhere |
| 18:39.24 | Legend1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.29 | Legend1 | doh :) |
| 18:39.33 | ajavid | Legend1, alrady there |
| 18:39.35 | ajavid | :) |
| 18:39.38 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: are you logged as user? |
| 18:39.44 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, yes |
| 18:39.45 | Legend1 | hehe |
| 18:39.51 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: id -a ? |
| 18:39.57 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: not that i need to see |
| 18:40.04 | xeon-enouf | types fasttoday |
| 18:40.06 | ajavid | you won't |
| 18:40.23 | xeon-enouf | s/fast/faster/ |
| 18:40.27 | Phil25 | thanks alot for the help xeon-enouf! Rsync it shall be when the 10 babies arrive! |
| 18:40.45 | xeon-enouf | never will achieve the ajavid closed-capyioniung speed withoiugh typos |
| 18:40.55 | ajavid | moving on |
| 18:40.57 | xeon-enouf | Phil25: bravo ;-) |
| 18:41.33 | ajavid | crontab mysteriously disappearing |
| 18:41.40 | ajavid | how...!!!! |
| 18:41.51 | ajavid | I'm about to pull my hair out man... how does that happen? |
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| 18:42.08 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: show us these 4 jobs of every minute of everyday .. or .. did you upgrade recently? also; 'su -' and check |
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| 18:42.14 | ajavid | you reboot the computer and your crons disappaer, which survived like 10 other reboots |
| 18:42.25 | sphenxes01 | It would be for me the first time to try LVM partition. My question: in case of failure of a partition, usually i can restore it with dd command (in case i have backed up my MBR). My question what should i backup or take care of in case of LVM partition? |
| 18:42.28 | xeon-enouf | power failure? fsck? |
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| 18:42.31 | ajavid | nope |
| 18:42.34 | ajavid | just reboot |
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| 18:42.43 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: which FStypes? |
| 18:42.44 | ajavid | ive had the same crons for months |
| 18:42.49 | ajavid | ext3 |
| 18:43.08 | sphenxes01 | ext3 |
| 18:43.14 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: were they "chroot" cronttabbs? |
| 18:43.18 | ajavid | no |
| 18:43.21 | SaintK_ | Good evening everyone. I'm running Debian Lenny on a server. I have a question which i can't figure out using google. When you watch "top" you have a collum "PR" and "NI" which from what i gather indicate proccess priority. Now i've figured out to change the priority in the "NI" collum with the "renice" command, I just can't figure out how to deal with this "PR" collum. Any suggestions? |
| 18:43.21 | ajavid | I mean |
| 18:43.48 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, I'm maintaining and developing and you'd think I'd know how to use cron :) |
| 18:44.05 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, my question is, what could cause crontab for user to mysteriously disappear |
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| 18:44.12 | ajavid | and that upgrade... thats ridiculous |
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| 18:44.29 | ajavid | that would be a severe bug if an upgrade caused user crons to go caput |
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| 18:45.01 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:45.08 | ajavid | actually I'm not even sure, but I think the severity level in that case is critical. That is a critical bug which |
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| 18:45.16 | ajavid | adb, specc Tupac backwards. |
| 18:45.19 | ajavid | spell* |
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| 18:45.55 | ajavid | if an upgrade causes data loss, thats critical isn't it. i'll read up on bug severity levels, but either way... how in heck does this happen? |
| 18:46.18 | ajavid | I'm scared of taking the time to make the new cronjobs and randomly for some reason they disappear again |
| 18:46.22 | ajavid | this is lenny! ffs. |
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| 18:46.25 | sphenxes01 | Can clonezilla make an image of LVM partitions? |
| 18:46.29 | adb | ajavid, seen bts , about that ? |
| 18:46.43 | ajavid | adb, why would I need to? |
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| 18:46.53 | petemc | sphenxes01: ive used partimage to do that |
| 18:46.57 | ajavid | adb, and on which pakcage? |
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| 18:47.01 | xeon-enouf | had phone |
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| 18:47.17 | xeon-enouf | some spamming asshle |
| 18:47.29 | xeon-enouf | peed instead |
| 18:47.41 | cahoot | apropos spam |
| 18:47.43 | sphenxes01 | petemc, if partimage can do, i think there would be no problem with clone zilla, thanks |
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| 18:48.00 | ajavid | ahhh boy |
| 18:48.06 | ajavid | you get spammed and then you have to spam us |
| 18:48.09 | ajavid | beautiful. |
| 18:48.12 | xeon-enouf | sphenxes01: no idea .. use the LVM tools |
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| 18:48.32 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: i had to pee, ok? :-P |
| 18:48.41 | ajavid | we don't care and/or give a flying toss |
| 18:48.45 | ajavid | TMI. |
| 18:48.59 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: yes _you_ do ; hon |
| 18:49.00 | xeon-enouf | :-P |
| 18:49.16 | ajavid | curses whatever daemons have possessed my box |
| 18:49.26 | xeon-enouf | !gremlins |
| 18:49.31 | ajavid | the power of christ compells you! leave my fucking crontab alone! |
| 18:49.32 | ajavid | :( |
| 18:49.40 | xeon-enouf | !ghost-in-the-machine |
| 18:49.52 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! Is there an easy way to make bootable USB key from either of Debian Cd images? (It would help if the process is uniersall so I could do it either under windows or fedora). Thanks in advance |
| 18:49.57 | ajavid | its just sooo.. Imena.. Im speechless man. how th... mean I ca'mon |
| 18:50.11 | ajavid | how does cron just disappear man |
| 18:50.14 | xeon-enouf | K_Dallas: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 18:50.18 | ajavid | *sigh* |
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| 18:50.23 | K_Dallas | xeon-enouf, much appreciated |
| 18:50.34 | rgr | where are the gnome-terminal profiles stored? |
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| 18:50.50 | ajavid | rgr, man gnome-terminal |
| 18:51.02 | ajavid | rgr, scroll down to the bottom |
| 18:51.14 | xeon-enouf | K_Dallas: for 'direct-from-within-windows' see /msg dpkgdebian.exe |
| 18:51.15 | ajavid | rgr, config files should be listed there as well as other stuff i think it shows where |
| 18:51.23 | xeon-enouf | K_Dallas: er /msg dpkg debian.exe |
| 18:51.52 | K_Dallas | xeon-enouf, I have seen it but never tried. Is it reliable and does it install in a normal dual-boot manner? |
| 18:51.59 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.24 | xeon-enouf | no leading spaces, heh |
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| 18:52.37 | K_Dallas | yes, fault of copy pasteing |
| 18:53.07 | xeon-enouf | K_Dallas: a grub dev is one of the main authors, if not the main one |
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| 18:53.37 | hiwk | (debian testing) hi, in a recent xorg update, my keyboard layout disappeard (probably due to HAL issues). now I want to use any x conf utility and/or HAL conf utils to restor my fubar conf files and get us(alt-intl), where should I read about this? |
| 18:53.38 | xeon-enouf | !nyu++ |
| 18:54.05 | rgr | ajavid: your gnome-terminal man page tells you that? |
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| 18:54.27 | xeon-enouf | !xorg.conf |
| 18:54.27 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed - and is often blank - but manual configuration is still possible. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
| 18:54.32 | ajavid | rgr, don't be sarcastic |
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| 18:54.44 | ajavid | rgr, I don't use gnome or gnome terminal |
| 18:54.48 | rgr | ajavid: ? You ve lost me. What do you mean? |
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| 18:55.00 | rgr | then why are you telling me to look up non existent info on the man page? |
| 18:55.00 | ajavid | rgr, generally manpages show you the location of the programs config andother files towards the bottom of the manapge |
| 18:55.04 | K_Dallas | xeon-enouf, thank you |
| 18:55.09 | xeon-enouf | picks at a wart on the toad |
| 18:55.09 | ajavid | rgr, I thought perhaps it might include that info too |
| 18:55.10 | Kobaz | i just got a debian dedicated server up and going.. i'm not too familiar with the 64bit stuff. (i've been always building 32bit kernels on everything)... what's a good way to check if you have a 64bit userland |
| 18:55.14 | ajavid | rgr, that is why I told you |
| 18:55.17 | NoCode | Is dpkg a supybot? |
| 18:55.24 | rgr | ajavid: I see. you dont have a clue. if you can help please do. but "rtfm" is something most of us know already. |
| 18:55.31 | ajavid | yes |
| 18:55.35 | ajavid | then do it |
| 18:55.45 | ajavid | did you check the manpage? |
| 18:56.12 | rgr | ajavid: I did. It doesnt have it. hence I asked quickly here. Stop polluting the channel please. |
| 18:56.37 | ajavid | dude... |
| 18:56.37 | xeon-enouf | NoCode: /msg dpkg what are you? |
| 18:56.40 | acidchild | the world is filled with too many sexually frustrated geeks. |
| 18:56.41 | ajavid | wtf is your deal? |
| 18:56.44 | ajavid | go FUCK yourself. |
| 18:56.46 | Titan8990_ | rgr, i disagree, there is always people that still need to learn to rtfm |
| 18:56.48 | acidchild | they get very angry with each other when you type too much |
| 18:56.50 | abrotman | rgr: it's probably under ~/.gnome/ .. but you might want to be more precise about what oyu mean by "profile" |
| 18:56.53 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: easy .. killer |
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| 18:57.02 | abrotman | ajavid: take a time out |
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| 18:57.06 | karlheinzPresley | hi |
| 18:57.12 | rgr | there are specific entitities called profiles for gnome-terminal. |
| 18:57.18 | karlheinzPresley | how can i easily resize a partition? |
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| 18:57.24 | karlheinzPresley | without loosing data? |
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| 18:57.30 | NoCode | xeon-enouf, I was just asking. Not looking for anything. Just a question. |
| 18:57.34 | abrotman | rgr: so you don't mean like /etc/profile, you mean the profile of the application |
| 18:57.48 | xeon-enouf | karlheinzPresley: ext3? |
| 18:57.58 | karlheinzPresley | yes |
| 18:58.05 | rgr | Titan8990_: I must disagree. I asked a question. All questions can be answered with "man X". I has looked at the man page. It was not there. This ajavid guy then starts rambling on about me reading it. I already had. |
| 18:58.08 | xeon-enouf | karlheinzPresley: man resize2fs |
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| 18:58.21 | acidchild | rgr: now your the one rambling. |
| 18:58.24 | rgr | I mean gnome-terminal profiles. I will google. |
| 18:58.24 | cahoot | rgr: looked into ~/gconf/apps? |
| 18:58.26 | karlheinzPresley | xeon-enouf: is there maybe a easy-to-use gui-tool? |
| 18:58.40 | cahoot | rgr: err ~/.gconf/apps? |
| 18:58.44 | xeon-enouf | karlheinzPresley: not really, i loathe GUI for low-level things |
| 18:58.48 | wildc4rd_ | evening all |
| 18:59.05 | rgr | acidchild: please reared the thread. thanks. Thanks to the others - It looks like gconf or gconf2 or ... :-; |
| 18:59.06 | abrotman | rgr: there is also the gconf-editor that might help you find it, though it's about as friendly as the win32 regedit |
| 18:59.14 | acidchild | karlheinzPresley: you can download a livecd that has q(parted) |
| 18:59.15 | rgr | abrotman: yeah :-; |
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| 18:59.21 | xeon-enouf | karlheinzPresley: see linuxcommand.org for a start - install rutebook (in non-free section) |
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| 18:59.23 | abrotman | oh .. he's drooling :) |
| 18:59.44 | xeon-enouf | karlheinzPresley: or .. use windows ... or a *buntu :-P |
| 18:59.50 | acidchild | karlheinzPresley: best way to deal with resizing partitions.. dont have anything on the drive mounted =] |
| 19:00.20 | xeon-enouf | acidchild: resize2fs can do live FS resizing, depending |
| 19:00.28 | acidchild | xeon-enouf: yeah i know. |
| 19:00.29 | xeon-enouf | IINM |
| 19:00.30 | benedikt | what is the difference betweed .pem and .crt certificates? |
| 19:00.36 | acidchild | xeon-enouf: its playing with fire though :D |
| 19:00.40 | xeon-enouf | benedikt: a pem is a combo |
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| 19:00.45 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, sure its not just live growing? |
| 19:00.46 | acidchild | benedikt: pem is crt and key combo |
| 19:00.49 | karlheinzPresley | ok thx guys i try the resizefs thing |
| 19:00.56 | acidchild | cat *crt *key > foo.pem |
| 19:00.56 | x1user | hi, can i install debian from one cd, some version without x |
| 19:01.02 | benedikt | xeon-enou and acidchild: thanks |
| 19:01.15 | abrotman | x1user: sure, use the netinst or CD1, you don't have to install X |
| 19:01.18 | valdyn | x1user: theres no version without X, but you can install debian while not installing X |
| 19:01.18 | xeon-enouf | of a public + a er ... a personal key |
| 19:01.22 | acidchild | karlheinzPresley: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
| 19:01.40 | x1user | i need t o install it on raid 0, will it work |
| 19:01.46 | karlheinzPresley | acidchild: the partition is on a extern usb disk so i think i dont need a live cd |
| 19:01.50 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: not sure about shrinking, no |
| 19:01.52 | x1user | adaptec asc-29320lp u320 |
| 19:01.56 | abrotman | x1user: you realize RAID0 isn't really RAID right ? |
| 19:01.59 | acidchild | karlheinzPresley: ah, try gparted :D |
| 19:02.01 | x1user | hardware raid 0 |
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| 19:02.12 | acidchild | karlheinzPresley: i bet its on apt :-) |
| 19:02.25 | x1user | i tried alredy with some bsd verison, and slackware and coulndnot install it on that raid |
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| 19:02.32 | karlheinzPresley | acidchild: i have no debian, i'm using archlinux |
| 19:02.33 | ranix | abrotman: RAID 0 isn't part of the RAIDs, it's by itself with the AIDs |
| 19:02.39 | SaintK_ | guy's, is there anyone who knows what the "PR" collum in top is for priority setting? |
| 19:02.49 | karlheinzPresley | maybe its in the archlinux apt equivalent |
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| 19:03.35 | x1user | does the netinst support what i need? |
| 19:04.04 | acidchild | karlheinzPresley: i bet its on pacman |
| 19:04.10 | acidchild | karlheinzPresley: pacman -sS parted |
| 19:04.14 | acidchild | common' use your head =] |
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| 19:04.43 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: nor .. a) if LVM {RAID,Crypto} is involved, b) if partition _beginning_ is (desired to be) moved (althuogh, likely a partitioning tool is then needed, prior .. unless) .. |
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| 19:05.11 | hiwk | xeon-enouf: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does absolutley nothing what I can see |
| 19:05.32 | xeon-enouf | cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 19:05.32 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, my only experience with it has been growing live LVM volumes, always worked perfectly for me |
| 19:05.40 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: X -configure |
| 19:05.43 | ajavid | no |
| 19:05.48 | ajavid | not X -configure |
| 19:05.51 | Titan8990_ | but i just thought I remembered reading that you couldn't shrink a live partition with ext3 tools |
| 19:05.54 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: X -configure :1 |
| 19:05.55 | abrotman | hiwk: it's supposed to work that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does your keyboard, but the X -configure is for the rest |
| 19:06.00 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, yes |
| 19:06.06 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, otherwise it fails with error already running on 0 |
| 19:06.07 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:06.19 | xeon-enouf | !factoidsmite ajavid |
| 19:06.21 | ajavid | and you run it as root or sudo actually |
| 19:07.05 | acidchild | hey ajavid |
| 19:07.06 | acidchild | =] |
| 19:07.10 | ajavid | acidchild, hi |
| 19:07.12 | ajavid | acidchild, do i know you? |
| 19:07.20 | ajavid | acidchild, vaguely the nickname is familiar. |
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| 19:07.25 | acidchild | yes, you pmed me the other day |
| 19:07.36 | acidchild | rambled on and i fell asleep on my keyboard. |
| 19:07.38 | ajavid | anyway, I looked into /usr/share/doc for gnome-terminal, and can't find jack |
| 19:07.40 | xeon-enouf | requires 1 cokewhore |
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| 19:07.55 | hiwk | abrotman: my issue is mostly with my keyboard, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing |
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| 19:08.10 | abrotman | hiwk: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg ? |
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| 19:09.00 | hiwk | abrotman: still nothing |
| 19:09.28 | abrotman | hiwk: guess you'll have to try X -configure |
| 19:09.35 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: uname -r |
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| 19:09.53 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: cat /etc/issue.net |
| 19:09.55 | hiwk | xeon-enouf: 2.6.30-1-686 |
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| 19:10.09 | hiwk | Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid |
| 19:10.32 | Mark21 | hello, what is the best way to test what IP addresses in a range are used? 1 IP at a time is not a problem. I don't know what ports are open or if there is a firewall that blocks ping. I need to get a list of used IP adresses to use the free IP adresses. Please note I don't have access to all systems in that range (no logins available). I can test it from a system running Debian |
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| 19:11.06 | Titan8990_ | Mark21, nmap ping scan: nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 19:11.10 | justin | Mark21: ask the router |
| 19:11.21 | Titan8990_ | will show all live hosts (that respond to ICMP) on the network |
| 19:11.23 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: ok, grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log && lspci -nnk (pastebin it) |
| 19:11.35 | xeon-enouf | bah |
| 19:11.38 | abrotman | Mark21: you can try a broadcast ping |
| 19:11.41 | xeon-enouf | shit |
| 19:11.42 | ajavid | abrotman, what is your terminal of choice? |
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| 19:11.47 | Titan8990_ | justin, that assumes dhcp is used |
| 19:11.52 | abrotman | xterm usually .. |
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| 19:12.03 | justin | Titan8990_: false. learn what a router is. |
| 19:12.20 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: is it a USB keyboard? lsmod | egrep 'evdev|hid' |
| 19:12.33 | rgr | could some admin please put a stop to ajavid privately msging me and swearing and cursing. Thanks. |
| 19:12.45 | acidchild | its called /ignore. |
| 19:12.50 | Titan8990_ | justin, im logged in to a cisco 1800 series right now, enlighten me |
| 19:12.54 | ajavid | 02:12 [msg(rgr)] you have absolutely no regard for people who try to help you |
| 19:12.55 | justin | Titan8990_: show ip arp |
| 19:12.56 | ajavid | yes, I will tell you so. |
| 19:12.57 | rgr | Answer was .gconf/apps and all is in xml. quite nice. |
| 19:12.57 | abrotman | ajavid: FWIW .. i googled out the man page for gnome-terminal and it mentions nothing about where files are stored |
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| 19:13.01 | bjoernb | hi |
| 19:13.01 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 19:13.03 | ajavid | abrotman, i did too |
| 19:13.10 | ajavid | abrotman, found zilch, nada |
| 19:13.10 | abrotman | ajavid: please don't msg him .. /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 19:13.15 | hiwk | xeon-enouf: http://pastebin.com/m3c0dd101 |
| 19:13.15 | abrotman | http://pwet.fr/man/linux/commandes/gnome_terminal |
| 19:13.18 | ajavid | abrotman, he was not in #debian when I msg him |
| 19:13.22 | NoCode | ahh, I hate my name being mentioned. When I see if I almost feel like I need to respond! :P |
| 19:13.28 | ajavid | abrotman, he joined here again to publically tell people I'm messaging him |
| 19:13.33 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: ps auxf | egrep 'udevd|hal|dbus' |
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| 19:13.38 | abrotman | that's fine ... just stop msging him |
| 19:13.38 | ajavid | abrotman, I'm not messaging him with public support questions |
| 19:13.44 | Mark21 | abrotman: when I do a broadcast ping I only get a reply from the router for that range (however I know more systems are running in that range) |
| 19:13.44 | abrotman | just let it go |
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| 19:13.57 | ajavid | abrotman, you can't tell me who to msg and who not to. This has nothing to do with the main channel. |
| 19:13.59 | rgr | abrotman: my only point is that telling people to man things is insipid and can be done for everything. We can all tell people to do that. I pointed out to him the info was not there and he started telling me to "read it". |
| 19:14.03 | rgr | anyway solved. thanks. |
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| 19:14.06 | hiwk | xeon-enouf: http://pastebin.com/m26732e74 |
| 19:14.08 | bjoernb | i have burned this image on a cd earlier this day and when typing ok for installation getting an error message with kbd ... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso |
| 19:14.11 | abrotman | rgr/ajavid: please use /ignore |
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| 19:14.43 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: is good --> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//synaptics_drv.so (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//evdev_drv.so |
| 19:15.04 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: tell me - USB or ps/2 ? |
| 19:15.17 | hiwk | xeon-enouf: laptop, silently hoping usb |
| 19:15.23 | xeon-enouf | ... |
| 19:15.26 | bjoernb | is the image broken? |
| 19:15.27 | justin | Mark21: most devices do not respond to a broadcast ping, and most routers do not allow directed broadcasts anyway |
| 19:15.28 | xeon-enouf | synaptics ... ugh |
| 19:15.35 | xeon-enouf | !laptop |
| 19:15.35 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 19:15.50 | acidchild | Mark21: they all respond to arp though! google 'netdiscover' or 'arping' =] |
| 19:15.55 | Mark21 | justin: I test it from within the subnet |
| 19:16.01 | hiwk | xeon-enouf: will that really matter for the keyboard? |
| 19:16.08 | justin | Mark21: "most devices do not respond to a broadcast ping" |
| 19:16.22 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: which? |
| 19:16.28 | ajavid | my point is this, if you are on autopilot that somone telling you about a manpage and exactly which part of it might hold the information and you get defensive at the mention of a manpage and you miscontrue that as someone telling you RTFM, that is not our problem or #debian's problem. Please realize that I understand a lot of people just say RTFM and you thought maybe I was doing the same, but you jumped to guns. I and abrotman both actually ... |
| 19:16.34 | ajavid | ... even tried to research this on our own, to try and help you out, and yet receiving a basic slap in the face for proving support.. that is uncalled for rgr |
| 19:16.39 | ajavid | anywya, thas what I had to say, and I'm done. |
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| 19:16.44 | Mark21 | acidchild: testing them now |
| 19:16.47 | swellie | I upgraded to Squeeze and now when I try to obmenu (menu for openbox) it says "no module named gtk." I've googled the issue and I'm not finding a fix, just that there's a bug report. Any ideas on how one could fix it? |
| 19:16.49 | justin | Mark21: if you are in the same subnet you can find the ips in use, the machines can't hide from arp |
| 19:16.49 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: isee no kbd_drv |
| 19:16.54 | bjoernb | !thinkpad |
| 19:16.54 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:16.59 | abrotman | ajavid: except he's long gone .. nice to see you forgot your enter key though :) |
| 19:17.03 | Titan8990_ | Jussi, http://pastebin.com/d42d154b4 |
| 19:17.04 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: wait .. |
| 19:17.05 | Titan8990_ | err |
| 19:17.05 | ajavid | abrotman, :) |
| 19:17.06 | acidchild | Mark21: :) even nmap 192.168.0.0/24 :P |
| 19:17.07 | Titan8990_ | justin, http://pastebin.com/d42d154b4 |
| 19:17.08 | justin | Mark21: yeah, nmap these days can do what arping does |
| 19:17.08 | ajavid | abrotman, give me time. |
| 19:17.22 | Titan8990_ | justin, on my test it did better |
| 19:17.30 | Mark21 | thank you for your help |
| 19:17.35 | acidchild | justin: arping is a good tool to learn! |
| 19:18.13 | dhodgkin | sits in awe of what he has wittnessed. |
| 19:18.15 | justin | Titan8990_: do the hosts that didn't show up not send any traffic through that router? |
| 19:18.29 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: hrm, on sid; only TWO xorg modules are loaded - seems evdev takes care of keys+mouse |
| 19:18.32 | xeon-enouf | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nv_drv.so |
| 19:18.35 | xeon-enouf | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//evdev_drv.so |
| 19:19.22 | acidchild | anyone remember the name of that encrypted or hashed arp protocol thats was in testing for release until ipv6 came out? |
| 19:19.24 | xeon-enouf | 2.6.30-1-686 |
| 19:19.35 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: ^^^ |
| 19:19.36 | Titan8990_ | justin, doubt it because the nmap scan is going to include network printers, APs, NAS devices and etc |
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| 19:19.56 | justin | Titan8990_: ah, if you did the nmap scan from another subnet they would all show up |
| 19:19.58 | Titan8990_ | justin, there are some i know that communicate with that router that are not currently in its arp table |
| 19:20.23 | Titan8990_ | justin, hmm i did do the nmap scan from another subnet but i checked the router entry first, let me check it again |
| 19:20.24 | hiwk | xeon-enouf: yes, that is the kernel I have |
| 19:20.34 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: pastebin any /etc/X11/xorg.conf output |
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| 19:20.41 | lulzcow | hi |
| 19:20.47 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: cat /proc/version |
| 19:20.55 | justin | Titan8990_: yeah, the nmap scan will cause the routers arp table to be filled in, regardless of whether or not the machine responded to the icmp request |
| 19:20.56 | xeon-enouf | Linux version 2.6.30-1-686 (Debian 2.6.30-4) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Debian 4.3.3-15) ) #1 SMP Thu Jul 30 14:45:30 UTC 2009 |
| 19:20.58 | lulzcow | do debain cames from deborah lesbian? |
| 19:21.03 | hiwk | Linux version 2.6.30-1-686 (Debian 2.6.30-6) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.4 (Debian 4.3.4-1) ) #1 SMP Sat Aug 15 19:11:58 UTC 2009 |
| 19:21.11 | Titan8990_ | justin, oh, i don't go through that router to get to them, sec |
| 19:21.16 | lulzcow | im making a new distro |
| 19:21.18 | xeon-enouf | lulzcow: yes,and your Sunday m'0mma |
| 19:21.24 | abrotman | don't egg him on |
| 19:21.33 | ajavid | waldi! should be waldo. :) |
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| 19:21.42 | lulzcow | xeon-enouf:do you want to have a personal page on Encyclopedia Dramatica? |
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| 19:21.54 | Titan8990_ | justin, yeah arp table on the other router looks a lot more accurate, but anyways thanks for the tip |
| 19:21.55 | ajavid | lulzcow, please stay on the topic of debian support |
| 19:21.59 | abrotman | lulzcow: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 19:22.03 | lulzcow | yes |
| 19:22.05 | xeon-enouf | grabs Dan <whatever-the-shithead's-VP-name-was> tomatoes instead |
| 19:22.09 | lulzcow | i want to put a wallpaper |
| 19:22.12 | lulzcow | the goatse |
| 19:22.13 | xeon-enouf | QUAYLE! |
| 19:22.15 | lulzcow | but nautilus crashes |
| 19:22.16 | bjoernb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:22.17 | lulzcow | why? |
| 19:22.17 | ajavid | abrotman, debian ' support ' related. debian related could be lesbians and debians. |
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| 19:22.21 | ajavid | :/ |
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| 19:22.32 | ajavid | lulzcow, get on topic please. |
| 19:22.35 | abrotman | lulzcow: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 19:22.44 | xeon-enouf | eats 5 quaill instead |
| 19:22.45 | justin | Titan8990_: heh, machines can't hide from the router, not if they want to communicate with anyone :) |
| 19:22.57 | ajavid | justin, they could! :) kinda |
| 19:23.02 | ajavid | wll.. ok, kinda |
| 19:23.10 | hiwk | xeon-enouf: my xorg.conf as of now; http://pastebin.com/m2fe26494 |
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| 19:23.26 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: sorry - i'm not much help now .. hope you resolve it .. likely a HAL (and/or DBUS and UDEV) issue |
| 19:23.27 | ajavid | I guess its not really hiding... |
| 19:23.39 | xeon-enouf | hiwk: i need to go .. now |
| 19:23.41 | hiwk | xeon-enouf: ok, thanks anyways |
| 19:23.45 | xeon-enouf | np |
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| 19:23.51 | hiwk | xeon-enouf: any pointers to read about HAL? |
| 19:23.56 | ajavid | or it could be considered hiding behind a spoofed ip, which is still essentially not hiding from the router.. I'm gonan shut up. |
| 19:24.05 | hiwk | !dpkg hal |
| 19:24.05 | dpkg | HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is freedesktop.org project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
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| 19:24.11 | ajavid | hiwk, /msg dpkg hal |
| 19:24.14 | xeon-enouf | last URL hiwk |
| 19:24.14 | ajavid | hiwk, /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
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| 19:27.15 | ajavid | why have my crons disappeared! Im sared of making new ones.. for the fear of losing them mysterously |
| 19:27.32 | justin | cron jobs |
| 19:27.46 | ajavid | s/crons/cron jobs |
| 19:28.01 | ajavid | please advise |
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| 19:28.19 | justin | what makes you think they have disappeared |
| 19:28.51 | ajavid | justin, they were working. I had to reboot. I rebooted, and checked, and crontab -l for ajavid reports none se |
| 19:28.58 | jeward | I've created an xfs filesystem on my new lenny server, but can't mount it. |
| 19:29.00 | ajavid | justin, I had 4 cron jobs set |
| 19:29.14 | justin | jeward: created how? |
| 19:29.17 | jeward | mount gives me lots of possible reasons why. |
| 19:29.23 | ajavid | justin, after a reboot they disappared out of the user crontab |
| 19:29.24 | jeward | mkfs -t xfs |
| 19:29.30 | ajavid | I'm wondering how?why? |
| 19:29.32 | justin | jeward: ... |
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| 19:29.42 | jeward | justin: Is that wrong? |
| 19:29.47 | justin | jeward: that is part of a command |
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| 19:29.56 | justin | ajavid: inspect /var/spool/cron/ |
| 19:30.02 | jeward | justin: mkfs -t xfs /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:30.22 | \amethyst | ajavid: when you say reboot, do you mean a clean reboot or a crash? |
| 19:30.31 | justin | jeward: and how are you trying to mount it |
| 19:30.42 | ajavid | \amethyst, sudo reboot |
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| 19:30.46 | ajavid | \amethyst, shutdown -r now |
| 19:30.49 | ajavid | warm reboot |
| 19:30.51 | jeward | justin: I put it in /etc/fstab and issued: mount -a |
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| 19:30.55 | justin | jeward: "it"? |
| 19:30.57 | ajavid | sorry enter key! |
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| 19:31.05 | jeward | justin: /dev/sdb1 /var/lib/backuppc xfs errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 19:31.17 | ajavid | \amethyst, and all disks were clean upon bootup time again |
| 19:31.31 | hiwk | xeon-enouf: setting XKBVARIANT="altgr-intl" in console-setup magically did the trick, if you want to know |
| 19:31.44 | ajavid | \amethyst, there was no fs crash or fsck needed to be run. |
| 19:31.45 | tuxx | Good evening ppl. Is it possible to mount an old raid-member as a single disk? When trying to mount it, it says mount: unknown filesystemtype'mdraid' |
| 19:32.00 | justin | tuxx: raid0 ? raid1 ? |
| 19:32.17 | \amethyst | ajavid: strange... as justin suggested, check in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ and see if the files are still there |
| 19:32.34 | \amethyst | ajavid: I'm assuming you're not putting /var/spool onto a RAM disk or anything like that |
| 19:32.39 | tuxx | justin: raid1. I upgraded my system with new disks, and did a reinstall, then installed one of the old drives. |
| 19:32.57 | justin | tuxx: possibly, may have to change the paritition type using fdisk |
| 19:33.10 | ajavid | \they are not there |
| 19:33.12 | justin | tuxx: not really familiar with dmraid though |
| 19:33.13 | ajavid | \amethyst, they are not there |
| 19:33.15 | jeward | justin: The strange thing being that the mkfs command returns instantly. Doesn't it have to do some work on 6.5T filesystem like ext2 does? |
| 19:33.16 | tuxx | justin: I have data on it that I need to get before doing that, hence my attempt to mount it. |
| 19:33.17 | justin | tuxx: did you try just loading the dmraid stuff? |
| 19:33.20 | ajavid | \amethyst, no sir |
| 19:33.35 | ajavid | \amethyst, everything was normal for months and now last night I just lost them |
| 19:33.46 | ajavid | \amethyst, I'm quite befuddled! :/ |
| 19:33.47 | justin | jeward: heh, xfs supports filesystems that big? |
| 19:33.53 | tuxx | justin: I have raid1 up and running with the two new discs. |
| 19:33.56 | justin | jeward: does it print anything, or does it just exit? |
| 19:34.14 | jeward | justin: prints out a summary as if it's made the filesystem. |
| 19:34.27 | justin | jeward: and what happens when you try to mount it? |
| 19:34.30 | \amethyst | jeward: up to 16 exabytes |
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| 19:34.34 | \amethyst | oops |
| 19:34.37 | g00se | Every time i run apt-file update, i get Can't get ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz Surely that can't be right? |
| 19:34.39 | \amethyst | justin: up to 16 exabytes |
| 19:34.41 | rudi_s_ | Hi. I mounted /tmp noexec for security reasons. Now I get errors/warnings from aptitude that some packages couldn't be preconfigured (like this Can't exec "/tmp/mysql-server-5.0.config.154711": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.10/IPC/Open3.pm line 168. ..). Is this something to worry about or is the installation fine? |
| 19:34.43 | justin | \amethyst: neat |
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| 19:35.18 | jeward | justin: Bad super block or missing codepage or helper program, or other error. |
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| 19:35.29 | justin | jeward: what did you type to get that error? |
| 19:35.36 | jeward | justin mount -a |
| 19:35.42 | justin | jeward: eh |
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| 19:35.45 | justin | jeward: and what did you put in fstab? |
| 19:36.01 | jeward | justin: /dev/sdb1 /var/lib/backuppc xfs errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 19:36.08 | justin | backuppc ftw :) |
| 19:36.09 | ajavid | btw I hear good things about slicehost and they offer debian lenny hosting |
| 19:36.16 | jeward | justin: ;-) |
| 19:36.22 | ajavid | probably should add it to the !hosting wikip age |
| 19:36.46 | justin | jeward: does xfs suport the errors=remount-ro option? |
| 19:36.51 | ajavid | last night as I was setting up redmine I discovered how much of a pain it is to get ror on lenny |
| 19:36.55 | jeward | justin: I'll remove that. |
| 19:36.55 | justin | jeward: try just mount /dev/sdb1 /var/lib/backuppc |
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| 19:37.32 | elops | I would be curious to know if udev still stalls with acpi=off |
| 19:37.36 | elops | any ideas? |
| 19:37.38 | jeward | justin: You da man! Thanks! |
| 19:37.46 | justin | heh |
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| 19:37.51 | justin | backuppc rocks btw :) |
| 19:38.03 | jeward | justin: Funny thing is, it's only 124M! |
| 19:38.08 | jeward | Not 6.5T! |
| 19:38.10 | ajavid | but I got out of the trac... compared to redmine it sucked. Easier to setup, but less features. What actually did piss me off was trying to get Ruby Gems and Rails installed into lenny, and fcgi gave me some shit last night. I went back to mod_php, use passenger to compile mod_ruby and now I'm good with apache |
| 19:38.13 | justin | i just wish it stored the full checksums so it could do scrubbing |
| 19:38.18 | justin | jeward: sure that's not the used space? |
| 19:38.33 | jeward | justin: /dev/sdb1 124M 4.2M 120M 4% /var/lib/backuppc |
| 19:38.36 | ajavid | ror with fcgi/fastcgi is painful, and a pos. mod_ruby is faster, and works well with apache without bullshit cgi wrappers |
| 19:38.39 | justin | jeward: lol |
| 19:38.44 | jeward | :) |
| 19:38.49 | elops | anyone? |
| 19:38.56 | justin | backuppc is good at saving space, but not that good |
| 19:39.02 | jeward | justin: Should I just try reiserfs? |
| 19:39.07 | ajavid | NO! |
| 19:39.10 | jeward | :) |
| 19:39.16 | ajavid | raiser will kill your... |
| 19:39.18 | ajavid | uhm.. data. |
| 19:39.23 | ajavid | ;) |
| 19:39.31 | jeward | Okay, so where's my other 6.5T of space? |
| 19:39.32 | justin | I use ext3 for my backuppc server.. it works I guess... |
| 19:39.40 | ajavid | justin, ext fw |
| 19:39.42 | justin | jeward: what does fdisk -l /dev/sdb say? |
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| 19:39.47 | bjoernb | hej |
| 19:39.57 | ajavid | justin, I have ext4 on 1tb, its nice, other than the times it isn't. |
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| 19:40.08 | ajavid | justin, Ihave ext3 on 10tb, works verywell |
| 19:40.12 | g0bl1n | hi, wich is the right way to have a command line app started on server boot ? to have it in /etc/init.d/app ? |
| 19:40.52 | justin | yeah, btrfs will be nice when it is mature :) |
| 19:40.52 | jeward | justin: /dev/sdb1 1 266306 2147483647+ ee EFI GPT |
| 19:40.52 | justin | or if zfs ever gets ported |
| 19:40.52 | ajavid | and another 3 tibs :) |
| 19:40.53 | ajavid | oh yes, zfs... good stuff |
| 19:40.53 | asg | g0bl1n: man update-rc.d ; /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 19:40.53 | dhodgkin | they had a documentary on TruTV about Hans Reiser |
| 19:40.53 | justin | jeward: weird |
| 19:40.53 | ajavid | dhodgkin, he is offtopic here |
| 19:41.02 | \amethyst | g0bl1n: the simplest would be to call it from /etc/rc.local |
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| 19:41.04 | dhodgkin | ajavid: just saying |
| 19:41.06 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:41.07 | bjoernb | when i boot debian netinst amd64 image from today i get this error message: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode (UTF-8) i m using a thinkpad x200s with us layout kbd. |
| 19:41.12 | ajavid | dhodgkin, giving a heads up |
| 19:41.15 | ajavid | thats all |
| 19:41.24 | dhodgkin | ajavid: :) yep |
| 19:41.39 | dhodgkin | ajavid: what else is OT here? |
| 19:41.40 | asg | g0bl1n: also /msg dpkg rc.local and /msg dpkg init.d |
| 19:41.49 | ajavid | dhodgkin, anything but debian support |
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| 19:42.30 | dhodgkin | ajavid: OH!!! That's what this channel is ;) |
| 19:42.50 | g0bl1n | asg: thanks, am reading now |
| 19:42.53 | ajavid | dhodgkin, ever tried to RoR on lenny? |
| 19:43.03 | dhodgkin | ajavid: nope |
| 19:43.16 | dhodgkin | ajavid: you know my views on RoR period |
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| 19:43.38 | catsup | what is RoR? |
| 19:43.44 | asg | ruby on rails |
| 19:43.48 | dhodgkin | catsup: Ruby on Rails |
| 19:43.49 | catsup | oh right |
| 19:44.00 | ajavid | dhodgkin, you may not be as tough as I am, it might put you in the hospital. You can say whatever, but Redmine is great,much better than trac, and it matters little if its in ruby.. my only thing is... if I do decide to get a debian lenny server, it will be freaking painful setting up a ror env. |
| 19:44.21 | ajavid | dhodgkin, /msg dpkg hosting |
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| 19:44.41 | ajavid | dhodgkin, still looking through this list here I am. Trying to find a good dedicated for about 150~ish a month |
| 19:44.50 | ajavid | nothing too fancy, wanna help me look :) |
| 19:45.15 | dhodgkin | ajavid: I do, I do. |
| 19:45.22 | ajavid | dhodgkin, its alright, do what you were doing. I'll handle it. Just that I'm thinking if I should go with Debian server or not |
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| 19:46.20 | dhodgkin | ajavid: yeah I should get back to work. |
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| 19:46.39 | ajavid | dhodgkin, I'm going to rebuild my cron jobs and ... run another cron to backup these cron jobs! lol and then lose them all! Ahhh boy. |
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| 19:47.10 | dhodgkin | ajavid: #frostedweb |
| 19:47.50 | ajavid | dhodgkin, you could have asked me here |
| 19:47.58 | dhodgkin | ajavid: I know |
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| 19:48.05 | ajavid | dhodgkin, justin, \amethyst both tried to help, we're all just as befuddled. |
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| 19:48.14 | ajavid | dhodgkin, no one knows why my cron jobs just disappared. |
| 19:48.35 | dhodgkin | ajavid: did you use crontab to set them up? |
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| 19:48.42 | ajavid | yes |
| 19:48.45 | teefive | hi |
| 19:48.54 | dhodgkin | hmm |
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| 19:49.07 | ajavid | its alright, I'll just redo it. I can't be pissed off about this any longer, my head is starting to hurt and my face is getting flushed again... |
| 19:49.09 | asg | ajavid: did you fsck the filesystem to determine if there was any corruption that caused them to be unlinked? |
| 19:49.13 | dhodgkin | ajavid: as user or superuser? |
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| 19:49.23 | ajavid | asg, clean, clean clean, and yup, that one was clean too :) |
| 19:49.28 | ajavid | asg, ran fsck on ALL disks |
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| 19:49.33 | ajavid | dhodgkin, user |
| 19:49.41 | ajavid | dhodgkin, I don't use root, root is not enabled, only sudo |
| 19:49.48 | dhodgkin | ajavid/redraw |
| 19:49.55 | dhodgkin | dangit |
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| 19:50.16 | ajavid | anyway... later. |
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| 19:52.31 | dhodgkin | ajavid: you headin out? |
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| 19:52.55 | ajavid | no, fixing things. |
| 19:53.09 | dhodgkin | kk |
| 19:53.11 | ajavid | this could have been asked in #frostedweb :) |
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| 19:53.17 | teefive | the lenny nginx-update seems broken, did anyone notice ? |
| 19:53.17 | dhodgkin | lol |
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| 19:53.33 | asg | teefive: check the bts |
| 19:53.44 | teefive | asg, tks |
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| 19:57.15 | Phil25 | harhar..back again...any mdadm gurus? |
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| 20:00.07 | asg | Phil25: ask your question, present your problem, and we'll see |
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| 20:01.09 | Phil25 | http://linux-raid.osdl.org/index.php/Growing#Extending_an_existing_RAID_array , the part "It is also important to note that while the array undergoes the resync process, it is vulnerable to irrecoverable failure if another drive were to fail." |
| 20:01.18 | bodobacs | Hi! How should I set permanently this command: "xhost +local:username" ? |
| 20:01.21 | Phil25 | is that the case even if the drive replaced is not broken? |
| 20:01.40 | justin | Phil25: depends... you could always plug the old drive back in |
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| 20:02.02 | Phil25 | im basivly replacing 500gb drive by 1.5tb, resynching, THEN growing the array |
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| 20:02.06 | bodobacs | I tried X0.hosts, but it doesn't work. |
| 20:02.09 | justin | Phil25: if the data is fairly static then there is little risk |
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| 20:02.17 | Phil25 | justin: thats what I was thinking at first...but better safe than sorry |
| 20:02.35 | Phil25 | I have no problem putting the array offline while doing this |
| 20:02.54 | Phil25 | so yeah its static |
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| 20:03.42 | justin | Phil25: then just pull out one of the 500G drives and put it someplace safe until the new array is done |
| 20:04.24 | Phil25 | yup...gonna do that for all 8 drivers |
| 20:04.28 | Phil25 | *drives |
| 20:04.33 | justin | 8? |
| 20:04.41 | Phil25 | 8 drive raid 6 array |
| 20:04.53 | Phil25 | 8x500gb to 8x1.5tb |
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| 20:05.20 | Titan8990_ | how bad is CPU usage using the softraid 6? |
| 20:05.34 | Phil25 | at first I wanted to create a new array and then copy the data and grow it, but it would cost more as I would need a new case and an sata controller |
| 20:05.56 | Phil25 | aside from resynchs/rescans, very low |
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| 20:06.08 | bjoernb | re |
| 20:06.18 | Phil25 | CPU load averages 0.00 (1 min) 0.00 (5 mins) 0.00 (15 mins) |
| 20:06.28 | Phil25 | mostly used for reads though |
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| 20:07.01 | Phil25 | Intel E2160 as cpu |
| 20:07.07 | Phil25 | cheapo cheapo :) |
| 20:07.28 | Phil25 | Real memory 1.98 GB total, 159.36 MB used |
| 20:08.33 | Gryfelhase | Anyone with an eeepc 900A and lenny (2.6.26-2-686)? After disabling wlan with the hotkey, I can't enabling it anymore without reboot an d turn it in bios on. |
| 20:08.46 | Gryfelhase | Any hints ? (Atheros -wlan) |
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| 20:10.06 | Phil25 | alrighty..thanks alot for the info |
| 20:10.08 | teletype | anyone tried to use apt-get via tsocks? |
| 20:10.27 | pngwn | Gryfelhase, have you tried #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 20:10.28 | teletype | when i try, it never attempts to hit the proxy. whereas if i use ssh or lynx or something, it hits the socks5 proxy just fine |
| 20:10.46 | Gryfelhase | pngwn, : No |
| 20:10.56 | Gryfelhase | But I will now... thx |
| 20:11.03 | pngwn | my pleasure |
| 20:11.48 | teletype | or failing that, anyone know another way to use apt via a socks5 proxy? |
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| 20:14.03 | teletype | scratch that - i was being boneheaded. |
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| 20:20.34 | kimusan^^ | Hi I have a problem with a server where an "aptitude upgrade" tried to install libgcc1. This however failed but it still keeps trying to configure it when I want to install/upgrade anything else. how do I get it to stop doing so? |
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| 20:20.53 | justin | kimusan^^: you get it to stop failing |
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| 20:21.13 | teletype | try a dpkg-reconfigure libgcc1 from command line |
| 20:21.18 | teletype | see if you can get a better look at why it's failing |
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| 20:21.36 | kimusan^^ | justin: not easy. it fails because kernel is too old. installing a new kernel with aptitude fails because it cannot configure libgcc1 |
| 20:21.59 | justin | kimusan^^: that sounds unlikely |
| 20:22.05 | justin | pastebin the error you are getting |
| 20:22.17 | kimusan^^ | sec |
| 20:22.44 | Tux^verdreifelt | yay, latest squeeze update crushed my video drivers :-) |
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| 20:24.46 | kimusan^^ | http://pastebin.com/d4665e751 |
| 20:25.20 | eltume | how do I stop mint from giving me a black screen when I boot up |
| 20:25.40 | abrotman | eltume: ask the mint support people, this isn't it |
| 20:26.00 | eltume | ok where is it? |
| 20:26.33 | justin | kimusan^^: what debian release are you trying to use? |
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| 20:27.48 | abrotman | eltume: #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org |
| 20:28.12 | kimusan^^ | it is etch but and upgrade of php-pear needed an update of libc which tried to install libgcc1 which then failed and asked me to install a newer kernel. |
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| 20:28.36 | eltume | oh my geez. lol I thought I was on the linux mint channel |
| 20:28.46 | justin | kimusan^^: you tried to upgrade from etch to squeeze? |
| 20:28.47 | eltume | I have 4 different channels on sorry |
| 20:28.47 | kimusan^^ | it actually told me to add lenny sources and then do apt-get install -t lenny linux-image-2.6 |
| 20:28.52 | abrotman | almost .. #debian is very close to #linuxmint :) |
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| 20:29.39 | kimusan^^ | ...which I did |
| 20:29.45 | themill | kimusan^^: so you now have an interesting mix of etch, squeeze and sid. Yay! |
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| 20:30.09 | kimusan^^ | themill: probably |
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| 20:30.28 | kimusan^^ | I am just doing what apt is telling me to do |
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| 20:30.37 | teletype | not always the best idea ;) |
| 20:30.45 | kimusan^^ | apparently :-/ |
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| 20:30.59 | themill | err... there's no way apt told you to mix releases |
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| 20:31.01 | xjih78 | in which package does the hg command dwell |
| 20:31.04 | angher5 | TG |
| 20:31.05 | TheAvatar | Hello - can I boot a 2.6.26 kernel with libc6 2.3.6 - I just need to boot once, so I can get to upgrade libc6 |
| 20:31.10 | catsup | apt told me to murder my parents |
| 20:31.12 | angher5 | TG |
| 20:31.21 | teletype | what's it trying to do on line 15 of the postinst script? |
| 20:31.30 | themill | angher5: can we help? Or do you have a cat on your keyboard? |
| 20:31.34 | kimusan^^ | themill: well it told me to add new sources from a release I did not use |
| 20:32.14 | angher5 | ;-) i'm looking for a college |
| 20:32.33 | bjoernb | hi |
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| 20:32.45 | rudi_s_ | xjih78: mercurial |
| 20:33.24 | kimusan^^ | so what could I do to fix this (or at least limit the problem from evolving) |
| 20:33.26 | teletype | what kernel are you on kimusan? |
| 20:33.45 | bjoernb | on booting debian testing image from 14th and from 12th i get this error msg '(process:1146): kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode (UTF-8)' then it stops doing anything. |
| 20:33.52 | bjoernb | can someone help me? |
| 20:34.06 | bjoernb | i am using a thinkpad x200s with us layout |
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| 20:34.56 | kimusan^^ | teletype: 2.6.9-023stab046.3-enterprise (yes it is old, but it is a closed system on a virtual machine (no net conn if I am not using apt) |
| 20:35.18 | teletype | hmm it still ought to work though |
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| 20:35.48 | kimusan^^ | I am wondering why ldconfig have stated to fail now though |
| 20:36.00 | rudi_s_ | bjoernb: Try stable->testing. |
| 20:36.17 | bjoernb | rudi_s_: the problem is that i need squeeze with 2.6.30 kernel to have my intel-5300 wireless card working |
| 20:36.26 | teletype | well if the kernel's causing libgcc to segfault.. that'd cause a lot of problems |
| 20:36.58 | rudi_s_ | bjoernb: No wired card just for the update? |
| 20:37.02 | ajavid | bjoernb, no need for squeeze |
| 20:37.11 | ajavid | bjoernb, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:37.13 | kimusan^^ | teletype: hence why I am a bit worried :-( |
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| 20:37.26 | ajavid | bjoernb, .30 is backported to stable already |
| 20:37.37 | ajavid | bjoernb, there is also /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 20:37.49 | ajavid | bjoernb, if you need a lenny installer with wifi support and .30 |
| 20:38.02 | bjoernb | thanks i read the bots messages |
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| 20:39.36 | kimusan^^ | teletype: actually looks like it is ldconfig that causes the problem. running it manually gives the "FATAL: kernel too old" error |
| 20:39.56 | teletype | ok, and is ldconfig what's on line 15 of that libgcc1 script? |
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| 20:40.40 | kimusan^^ | exactly |
| 20:40.50 | bjoernb | ajavid: how do i install the hd-media: boot.img.gz (512MB USB image) on a stick? |
| 20:41.11 | ajavid | bjoernb, /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:41.12 | eak | hi |
| 20:41.20 | teletype | did you try install libc6 or libgcc1 from a later dist version? |
| 20:41.31 | greenleon | Any idea why this http://pastebin.com/f25e0a8d7 postconf does not work right? Any sent mail is rejected. |
| 20:41.31 | ajavid | bjoernb, chapters 3,4,5 especially |
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| 20:41.51 | teletype | looks like you're trying to configure 4.4.1, etch should be on 4.1.1? |
| 20:41.55 | justin | greenleon: rejected why? |
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| 20:42.26 | ajavid | bjoernb, /msg dpkg usb install |
| 20:42.33 | kimusan^^ | teletype: not on purpose at least. How do I check that? |
| 20:42.38 | angher5 | TG are you here? |
| 20:43.08 | teletype | i'm guessing yes since it should also depend on a later libc6 |
| 20:43.14 | teletype | s/later/earlier/ |
| 20:43.34 | kimusan^^ | ok so any fix ? |
| 20:43.45 | kimusan^^ | downgrade or something ? |
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| 20:44.12 | greenleon | justin, dunno. Example in /var/log/mail.log: http://pastebin.com/f7c9315a7 . line 7 |
| 20:44.35 | justin | greenleon: did you go to one of those urls? |
| 20:44.43 | greenleon | yea... |
| 20:44.54 | greenleon | just says the same... |
| 20:45.24 | greenleon | u might be a spammer.. ... look at ur configs... |
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| 20:47.15 | greenleon | justin, is the config okay so far? |
| 20:47.20 | justin | greenleon: no idea |
| 20:48.03 | greenleon | ... sad |
| 20:48.33 | justin | greenleon: try asking in a postgres channel, or ask that site why they are rejecting your connections |
| 20:48.36 | justin | er, psotfix |
| 20:48.44 | greenleon | its not only that site |
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| 20:48.49 | greenleon | its simply every site |
| 20:49.13 | teletype | you've probably got an open relay |
| 20:49.16 | teletype | or an abusive user |
| 20:49.28 | teletype | and hence wound up on a lot of spam blacklists |
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| 20:49.41 | greenleon | teletype... abusive user is impossible. I set the server up this morning |
| 20:49.51 | teletype | was it an IP someone else used before? |
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| 20:49.57 | teletype | is it a new ISP connection? |
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| 20:50.28 | greenleon | dunno... but at first i was able to send mails. But after I altered the config it did not work anymore.. |
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| 20:50.45 | teletype | did you have an open relay when you set it up? |
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| 20:50.50 | greenleon | nope |
| 20:50.59 | teletype | is the ip dynamic? |
| 20:51.01 | greenleon | afaik standard config has none |
| 20:51.01 | greenleon | nope |
| 20:51.15 | teletype | you'll have to start by asking the admins of the blacklist what specific thing you were blacklisted for, really |
| 20:51.32 | greenleon | What blacklist? |
| 20:51.38 | teletype | there's a url in the log msg |
| 20:51.45 | greenleon | thats no blacklist |
| 20:51.55 | greenleon | it just says that this email was blocked.... |
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| 20:51.59 | teletype | well it's a relay denying you because your ip is blocked |
| 20:52.07 | teletype | yes, blocked, blacklisted, whatever you want to call it.. |
| 20:52.08 | greenleon | yep but not blacklisted |
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| 20:52.50 | greenleon | its like this specific mail was blocked because of big questionmark |
| 20:53.05 | un-def | hello, my apt keys have all expired, how do I update them? |
| 20:53.22 | ekontsevoy | Is there a command line tool that shows me my laptop power consumption in watts? There was a gnome applet that did it... |
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| 20:54.37 | Kuifje111 | hello all. |
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| 20:58.40 | jeeves_Moss | is the d-link WUA-1340 supported for Kismet? |
| 20:58.46 | creichen | valgrind for amd64 doesn't seem to be willing to run my ia32 program (`failed to start tool 'memcheck' for platform 'x86-linux': No such file or directory'). Any ideas what packet I am missing? |
| 20:58.55 | creichen | (This used to work a couple of months ago.) |
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| 21:00.06 | Ricoshady | how do I configure exim4 using the package manager? |
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| 21:02.21 | beardy | !eximconfig |
| 21:02.47 | beardy | Ricoshady: IIRC you 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' anyway. |
| 21:03.26 | Ricoshady | beardy, I did do that, but not im wondering, how do I get exim to relay mail from localhost to the outside world |
| 21:03.35 | Ricoshady | now im wondering I mean |
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| 21:03.52 | LobbyZ | So i've had this issue with courier-imap-ssl not being removable even with aptitude and all that |
| 21:04.01 | LobbyZ | is reinstalling the VPS the only solution to remove it? |
| 21:04.03 | beardy | Ricoshady: It will ask you exactly that? And other alternatives. |
| 21:04.09 | creichen | Is there a mechanism to donate money tied to the task of getting Debian issues resolved (or donating regularly to keep certain packages stabilised with a `withdraw' button if the maintainer fails to do a good job)? |
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| 21:06.39 | \amethyst | creichen: hire the maintainer as a contractor? |
| 21:09.12 | creichen | \amethyst: paperwork, paperwork... but I suppose it's the safest thing to do. |
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| 21:09.54 | bjoernb | i am getting the same error with the image from kmuto |
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| 21:10.32 | bjoernb | how can it be so hard to install debian on a thinkpad x200s with us kbd? |
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| 21:12.58 | bjoernb | huh the graphical installer does work. |
| 21:13.09 | bjoernb | only the non graphical had such problems |
| 21:13.29 | LobbyZ | So i've had this issue with courier-imap-ssl not being removable even with aptitude and all that |
| 21:13.31 | LobbyZ | is reinstalling the VPS the only solution to remove it? |
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| 21:24.47 | un-def | can anyone help with my expired apt keys? |
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| 21:29.40 | epifanio | hi all |
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| 21:30.10 | epifanio | i have some sw installed from source using a standard procedure : (./configure && make && sudo make install) |
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| 21:30.36 | RockNRolla | any one with Card: HDA ATI SB Codec: SigmaTel 92HD206X |
| 21:31.03 | un-def | i currently can't do any updates |
| 21:31.14 | epifanio | but now i need to create a package for this sw, using checkinstall, can be a problem the make install command i already used ? |
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| 21:34.57 | macrobat | un-def: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090523, look at man apt-key |
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| 21:36.08 | macrobat | epifanio: maybe you can build a .deb instead |
| 21:36.45 | epifanio | macrobat: using checkinstall will produce a .deb no? |
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| 21:36.57 | macrobat | epifanio: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
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| 21:37.58 | macrobat | that is debian std procedure |
| 21:38.16 | un-def | macrobat, thanks, that's a clearer explanation than i've seen anywhere else, but i have the new key in my keyring and still have the problem |
| 21:39.17 | epifanio | macrobat: thanks! i'm reading it and try to learn how to create a .deb |
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| 21:42.37 | un-def | macrobat, "apt-key update" seems to think my keys are fine |
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| 21:42.45 | Intensity | Hi. I'm wondering where the best place is to talk about problems I'm having with the kernel davfs module and (separately) the user-space encfs program. davfs is not only omitting files starting with a dot (".") as a principle; but it also fails to upload any files and instead puts them in lost+found/. encfs over davfs isn't working too well because significant latency causes encfs to drop the mount. |
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| 21:43.04 | xs | hi. i'm on testing. i upgraded yesterday. now after some short time (indeterminate), firefox seems to freeze all keyboard and mouse input (for the whole machine). |
| 21:43.12 | xs | anyone have a similar issue? |
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| 21:43.32 | Pirate_Hunter | hi can anyone help me, my problem is that when using ssh and typing password for certain applications that have £ will not be recognised the reason I know this because I have just changed one of the passwords and removed the character, however seeing online I have not found an actual fix for this and woul like to know if anyone knows? Even knowing I ahd to edit a file to get pund working it seems when using sudo through ssh it dont pick up which is wei |
| 21:43.43 | shad0w1e | hey there -- I deleted the postfix log and now it won't recreate on a postfix restart :( I even recreated the file manually and chown postfix:postfix 'd it, but to no avail. How can I get my poor postfix log file back ?? |
| 21:44.05 | xs | shad0w1e: do you mean /var/log/mail.log? |
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| 21:44.09 | shad0w1e | yes |
| 21:44.16 | xs | shad0w1e: restart syslog. |
| 21:44.22 | shad0w1e | ahh |
| 21:45.19 | shad0w1e | I appear to not have anything called /etc/init.d/sys* |
| 21:45.33 | macrobat | un-def: does "apt-key list" show outdated keys? |
| 21:45.35 | xs | try rsyslog. |
| 21:45.35 | shad0w1e | oh nvm |
| 21:45.36 | shad0w1e | gotit |
| 21:45.37 | shad0w1e | :P |
| 21:45.40 | shad0w1e | yep rsyslog it was thanks |
| 21:45.47 | shad0w1e | and my logs are back . more thanks! |
| 21:45.50 | macrobat | the opera repo changed key lately |
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| 21:46.24 | Pirate_Hunter | anyone know a fix for this I would like to still be able to use £ sign with sudo over ssh it would also help other members of my box |
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| 21:48.01 | un-def | macrobat, i've just found that it seems to be a key related to the tor repository, so i guess debian is not at fault - thanks |
| 21:48.24 | lunk | good afternoon, can the 32-bit intel distro handle a 5TB(4tb effective) raid5 md array? |
| 21:49.03 | macrobat | Pirate_Hunter: i dont know if its a good idea to use special characters like that in passwds or filenames, for instance i refrain from my swedish characters |
| 21:49.05 | catsup | Pirate_Hunter: what you said was cut off and a bad explanation besides |
| 21:50.12 | Pirate_Hunter | catsup: yeah i know it was a bad explanation actually poorly structured still moving on to the subject is there a way to do so |
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| 21:50.33 | catsup | to do what, you're talking about sudo reading the password? |
| 21:50.48 | catsup | maybe your locale settings are wrong |
| 21:51.23 | catsup | i don't think ssh should have any problem like that |
| 21:51.48 | Pirate_Hunter | macrobat: I dont see what is the problem using such character for passwords have never had a problem except for this machine, the other which is identical has not had such a problem like this one and shift+3 gives £ |
| 21:51.49 | catsup | [anyway i'm the wrong person to ask, but you would have better luck specifying the question better] |
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| 21:52.19 | Pirate_Hunter | catsup: no problem will do |
| 21:53.21 | catsup | Pirate_Hunter: check your locale on the problem machine, see if it's the same on the one that works |
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| 21:54.20 | Pirate_Hunter | A while back for some strange reason I lost the ability to use shift+3 to give me £ sign, looking online I managed to edit a file which hotwired that, now everytime I ssh and use sudo if comes as incorrect even knowing it is the correct password. I have narrowed down is that sudo aint picking the £ sign just dont know why? |
| 21:54.33 | Pirate_Hunter | catsup: sorry but how do I check locale? |
| 21:54.56 | catsup | type 'locale' |
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| 21:58.40 | Pirate_Hunter | catsup: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 that is what I am supposed to have |
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| 21:59.30 | catsup | um btw can you type the character into your console and see it there? |
| 21:59.43 | konr_ | Hmm, why doesn't `tar xfjv big-tarball.tar.bz2 \*politics\*` work? it gets stuck and doesn't unpack anything |
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| 22:00.01 | lunk | hello, can 32-bit debian handle a 5TB raid array? |
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| 22:00.44 | azeem | konr_: did you try xjvf instead? |
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| 22:02.18 | Pirate_Hunter | catsup: I can but I followed a tutorial which made me edit a file in /etc/ to get it working it swaped something around, worst thing is that it is not in bookmraks and I cant find it online. out of curiosity this is all I found in /etc/environment - PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games" hmm dont seem correct |
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| 22:02.41 | catsup | konr_: don't you need --wildcards ? |
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| 22:03.05 | epsas | what is the "debian way" of starting iptables? |
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| 22:03.48 | catsup | epsas: you can put your iptables calls as 'up' hooks in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:04.25 | benjamindees | anyone else's keyboard stop working on latest testing? |
| 22:04.39 | epsas | are there examples of that somewhere? |
| 22:04.43 | epsas | let me do a google |
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| 22:05.45 | catsup | epsas: it's simple just look at interfaces(5) |
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| 22:05.59 | konr_ | azeem: yep, it is still stuck after 5 minutes of waiting :( |
| 22:06.03 | konr_ | catsup: let me try! |
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| 22:06.20 | azeem | konr_: then something is obviously wrong |
| 22:06.25 | catsup | konr_: well i don't know man, my 'tar' produces a warning without that, but yours apparently doesn't |
| 22:06.33 | azeem | or your tarball is very big |
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| 22:06.59 | catsup | five minuts to bunzip a tarball isn't necessarily wrong |
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| 22:07.20 | catsup | how big is it? |
| 22:07.24 | teletype | i had one that took 4 hours to untar today heh |
| 22:07.29 | konr_ | azeem: mine are (8gb). does it first unpack the tar to then process it? |
| 22:07.37 | azeem | yes |
| 22:07.45 | catsup | well it streams it |
| 22:07.46 | azeem | well, it unpacks through the tar |
| 22:07.51 | benjamindees | great, six keys on my keyboard have failed |
| 22:07.53 | azeem | if your files are towards the end... |
| 22:07.57 | catsup | it doesn't unpack the whole thing at once, just one block at a time |
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| 22:08.42 | konr_ | hmmm |
| 22:09.04 | benjamindees | oh hey that's kind of cool; pressing the power button actually does a soft shut-down in Lenny |
| 22:09.07 | konr_ | let me wait for 20 minutes, then, hehe |
| 22:09.17 | TheAvatar | My 2.6.26 kernel wont load the scsi drivers from the initrd hence it wont boot - what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:09.33 | nullable_type | I have 2 main partitions root and home......... now i want to create a nea prtition for var (take the disk space from home)... is it easy to do |
| 22:09.34 | TheAvatar | The old 2.4 kernel boots it rather early, having roughly 20 lines of "BusLogic" driver load |
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| 22:10.09 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 22:10.23 | DelphiWorld | please how to get list of repository for debian5 to add it aditionaly? |
| 22:10.30 | DelphiWorld | i want to install some voip projects |
| 22:10.39 | DelphiWorld | but not found in the basic repository |
| 22:10.48 | ranix | how did you learn to type with your anus |
| 22:10.56 | catsup | haha |
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| 22:11.21 | azeem | ranix: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 22:11.39 | DelphiWorld | azeem: ;) |
| 22:12.09 | nullable_type | Hey guys, can someone help me with adding a new partition for var |
| 22:12.24 | nullable_type | should i use fdisk? |
| 22:12.24 | Leonidas | what's the problem? |
| 22:12.35 | nullable_type | I just never partitioned in linux before |
| 22:12.43 | nullable_type | need some guidance |
| 22:12.51 | Leonidas | nullable_type: personally, i prefer cfdisk |
| 22:12.53 | azeem | nullable_type: do you have free space left on your disk? |
| 22:12.58 | themill | DelphiWorld: people in #debian aren't going to recommend any repositories other than the official debian one and sometimes debian-multimedia.org and backports.org. |
| 22:13.25 | nullable_type | yes i have home on different partition with a lot of space, I want to take some space from it and use for var |
| 22:13.48 | DelphiWorld | temi: ok could you give it to me in a PM please? |
| 22:14.35 | nullable_type | Loenidas >> I checked out cfdisk, Does it allow me take the space off of 'home' for the new partition? |
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| 22:15.10 | r | my screen brightness control does not work anymore. how can i restore the functionality? |
| 22:15.18 | catsup | nullable_type: try gparted |
| 22:15.29 | DelphiWorld | gparted for gnome |
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| 22:15.47 | nullable_type | i am on shell, is gparted shell program? |
| 22:15.49 | nullable_type | ssh |
| 22:15.54 | catsup | there is also 'parted' |
| 22:16.08 | catsup | you might find that difficult to use |
| 22:16.25 | catsup | but it can do what you want |
| 22:16.38 | Arrowmaster | do i need to install cowdancer into the chroot when using cowbuilder? i keep getting errors that cow-shell/cowdancer-ilistcreate cannot be found |
| 22:16.55 | nullable_type | catsup >> i only have ssh access to the server. gparted seems to have gui |
| 22:17.00 | nullable_type | Am i right |
| 22:17.27 | catsup | nullable_type: right. 'parted' is console only |
| 22:17.54 | teletype | i find good ol' fdisk a lot more straightforward |
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| 22:19.17 | catsup | teletype: haha |
| 22:19.34 | catsup | teletype: you need to resize2fs, then fdisk to match your resized fs, it's real error prone |
| 22:20.03 | nullable_type | catsup >> Are u suggesting not to use fdisk for what i am looking for? |
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| 22:20.25 | catsup | nullable_type: yes, don't use fdisk, use parted |
| 22:20.35 | r | something with acpi must have changed. well. how can control over brightness of the screen be regained? |
| 22:20.37 | nullable_type | thanks |
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| 22:22.57 | _ke | my postfix mail server has some problems to connect mail.beachblanket.co.uk (status deferred, timeout), even ping does not work. however that host seems to be online (ping works from my local computer). do you have any hints for me checking whats going on? |
| 22:22.58 | nullable_type | catsup >> thanks a lot, parted is pretty much what i was looking for |
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| 22:23.53 | nullable_type | catsup >> Do you think is it a good idea to put var in a different partition? this is a server and has 1000GB available |
| 22:24.05 | Titan8990 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:24.36 | _ke | Titan8990, 100% paket loss, without exiting |
| 22:25.12 | Titan8990 | _ke, icmp gives reply messages.... such as host not reachable, no route to host, etc |
| 22:25.24 | Titan8990 | port not reachable.... |
| 22:25.34 | catsup | nullable_type: probably |
| 22:25.47 | catsup | nullable_type: you should really convert to lvm if at all possible |
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| 22:26.26 | _ke | Titan8990, cant see such a message with ping -c1 mail.beachblanket.co.uk |
| 22:26.31 | CrazyTux | Any moderators in here? |
| 22:26.35 | azeem | _ke: does telnet mail.beachblanket.co.uk 25 work from that host? |
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| 22:26.40 | Titan8990 | _ke, http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc792.html |
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| 22:26.47 | Titan8990 | _ke, page 3 |
| 22:26.50 | azeem | CrazyTux: what kind of moderators? |
| 22:26.53 | _ke | azeem, time out |
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| 22:26.55 | CrazyTux | NALAN^^^: is messaging porno links to me. |
| 22:26.57 | nullable_type | catsup >> parted gives me an error when i tried to resize home : It ssays i need to unmount it |
| 22:26.59 | CrazyTux | upon entry |
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| 22:27.06 | CrazyTux | azeem: ^ |
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| 22:27.25 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.108.186.158] by themill |
| 22:27.25 | catsup | right |
| 22:27.26 | *** kick/#debian [NALAN^^^!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill] by themill (You should know better) |
| 22:27.27 | catsup | you do |
| 22:27.29 | *** mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill |
| 22:27.37 | rgr | nullable_type: one thing on debian is just make sure var is larger than you think you need. I fell over a few times with large apt updates. |
| 22:27.53 | catsup | i put /var/cache/apt/archives on a separate partition |
| 22:27.56 | nullable_type | rgr >> Thanks for the tip |
| 22:28.01 | azeem | _ke: looks like a network problem/firewall in between then |
| 22:28.21 | themill | CrazyTux: thanks for telling us. You can just call "!ops $nick on-join spam" and someone will deal with it. |
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| 22:28.44 | _ke | azeem, how can i find out? already running traceroute |
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| 22:28.52 | nullable_type | catsup >> Will i be able to unmount home while login as root via SSH? I am a newbie, some guidance will be appreciated on how to unmount without problem |
| 22:28.57 | _ke | Titan8990, ok thanks |
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| 22:29.03 | rgr | yes that would make sense. I moved to LVM but to be honest wonder why I bothered. Its built in mirror has mirrored across two drives which totally breaks the reason for a mirror in the first place. |
| 22:29.20 | catsup | nullable_type: try it |
| 22:29.24 | nicko85 | I ruv Linux |
| 22:29.28 | catsup | nullable_type: as long as no process is using /home it will work |
| 22:29.40 | catsup | nullable_type: otherwise you have to kill those processes one way or another. fuser -vm /home will list them. |
| 22:29.47 | CrazyTux | themill: thanks, will remember that. |
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| 22:30.24 | nicko85 | catsup: do you want some catnip? |
| 22:30.26 | rgr | CrazyTux: oh, I got that too. But its a freenode thing not a #debian or? |
| 22:30.36 | CrazyTux | Now for my real problem, I've installed bind9 apt-get install bind ... installed, I keep getting rndc connection refused no matter what I do, I've googled and saw bunch of previous bugs where the permissions were off however I seem unable to correct the issue, any additional thoughts and or input would be appreciated |
| 22:30.48 | CrazyTux | rgr: #debian, only got it when joining this channel |
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| 22:36.38 | _ke | azeem, have another idea for me? |
| 22:36.57 | azeem | sorry :-/ |
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| 22:37.05 | azeem | how far is traceroute going? |
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| 22:38.08 | _ke | azeem, 1 * * * and so on |
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| 22:39.00 | dyek | Hi! How can I do apt-get --download-only? I want to download a copy of some .deb package files into the current directory. |
| 22:39.44 | nullable_type | Hey catsup >> I have unmounted home. But when i try parted now to resize, it says "File system has an incompatiable feature enabled.. use tune2fs or debugfs" |
| 22:39.45 | azeem | _ke: does mail work fine for other hosts? |
| 22:39.51 | themill | dyek: use "aptitude download" for that |
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| 22:41.21 | _ke | azeem, yes, it does |
| 22:41.27 | dyek | themill: Huh, aptitude makes it so easy! Thank you so much for the tips! |
| 22:42.22 | catsup | nullable_type: does it say what feature? |
| 22:43.30 | nullable_type | it wasn't specific, just says might be this or that. I read up on a forum, the user says, those problems might be tricky and suggest to use gparted. |
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| 22:43.53 | catsup | 'this or that'? |
| 22:43.54 | catsup | wtf |
| 22:44.02 | catsup | i'm sure it didn't say 'this or that' |
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| 22:44.42 | catsup | tune2fs -l the block device |
| 22:44.45 | nullable_type | lol, well i meant it said a list of some features, but not telling what's wrong with current setting |
| 22:44.50 | catsup | you'll see a list of features |
| 22:44.53 | \amethyst | the parted manpage says it doesn't resize ext3, and you'll need to use resize2fs |
| 22:44.59 | Titan8990 | _ke, w/e as at that hope is probably blocking, is it on your network? |
| 22:45.15 | nullable_type | i c, may be i will try resize2fs |
| 22:45.19 | catsup | tune2fs -O '^feature' to remove the feature |
| 22:45.29 | \amethyst | note that resize2fs only changes the fs size, not the partition size |
| 22:45.45 | catsup | maybe you just need to remove the journal |
| 22:45.45 | _ke | Titan8990, i dont think so |
| 22:45.51 | phorce1 | how well does debian handle being transplanted to a new motherboard with different CPU, etc (just move the hard drive(s) to a new machine)? |
| 22:45.53 | catsup | \amethyst: does it say that it will resize ext2fs? |
| 22:46.06 | \amethyst | catsup: yes |
| 22:46.18 | catsup | ok then you just need to remove the journal |
| 22:46.23 | \amethyst | the journal isn't necessarily the only difference, though |
| 22:46.23 | Titan8990 | _ke, but you can verify that the ping makes it out of your network? |
| 22:46.30 | catsup | tune2fs -O '^has_journal' |
| 22:46.40 | Titan8990 | _ke, traceroute sorry |
| 22:46.42 | woshty | phorce1: depends |
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| 22:47.21 | catsup | you probably want to fsck first |
| 22:47.25 | _ke | Titan8990, i can traceroute other addresses. how can i check on that specific one if it makes out of my network? |
| 22:47.26 | woshty | phorce1: there might be problems with device names of the hdd |
| 22:47.36 | phorce1 | woshty: I just had a motherboard die. It's old and I don't have a replacement so I guess I'll find out this evening. <grin> |
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| 22:48.32 | woshty | phorce1: you might have to reinstall grub with the correct settings for your new motherboard .. and maybe use another kernel image |
| 22:48.38 | phorce1 | woshty: I should be able to start with just the boot drive hooked up and use tune2fs to give it a label. Then switch to labels in fstab |
| 22:48.54 | woshty | phorce1: or do that .. |
| 22:48.59 | Titan8990 | _ke, traceroute THAT address and see how far it makes it... |
| 22:49.00 | \amethyst | phorce1: another issue is the network device name |
| 22:49.02 | \amethyst | !z25 |
| 22:49.02 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 22:49.12 | Titan8990 | _ke, if it doesn't make it anywhere you have a problem on your local machine |
| 22:49.14 | azeem | 00:38 < _ke> azeem, 1 * * * and so on |
| 22:49.33 | _ke | Titan8990, yeah i just get those 1 * * * and so on |
| 22:49.34 | azeem | _ke: maybe the host is set in /etc/hosts or so? |
| 22:49.42 | phorce1 | \amethyst: Those type of problems I expect and they're easily handled. I was more worried about hardware level driver issues |
| 22:49.48 | azeem | or DNS lookup for it is broken |
| 22:50.05 | Titan8990 | _ke, alright... so you see 0 hops? |
| 22:50.06 | _ke | azeem, no, dns works fine. i already checked that |
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| 22:50.11 | _ke | Titan8990, yes |
| 22:50.24 | Titan8990 | _ke, router/firewall configuration |
| 22:50.54 | Titan8990 | _ke, your first hop should be a) your gateway for that network b) your default route |
| 22:50.59 | woshty | phorce1: like? you should make sure which sata ports you use if there is an additional controller onboard |
| 22:51.21 | \amethyst | phorce1: if you're using a complete initrd rather than one customized for your config (MODULES=most in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf), it shouldn't be a problem |
| 22:51.35 | azeem | _ke: what's the IP address you get in ping/traceroute? |
| 22:51.35 | phorce1 | I went to labels for drives in this desktop machine not too long ago. Makes life SO much easier when you have 5 drives installed |
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| 22:51.49 | phorce1 | woshty: old board == all IDE |
| 22:52.07 | _ke | azeem, 216.128.11.30 |
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| 22:52.36 | phorce1 | \amethyst: never customized initrd for that machine. I try to leave machines serving stuff to the Internet as generic as possible |
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| 22:52.40 | woshty | phorce1: hmm, if you buy an new computer, buy a new drive and transfer data as drive image |
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| 22:53.12 | phorce1 | woshty: not buying new -- have piles lying around here, just nothing identical to what died |
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| 22:53.27 | woshty | phorce1: ah, k |
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| 22:55.58 | phorce1 | I just pulled an old socket 370 MB out of storage to test a pile of Piii CPU's I had in a bin. Maybe I'll use that. Piii-933 and a gig of PC-133 RAM |
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| 22:56.46 | phorce1 | too bad the dual Piii motherboard took a lightning hit |
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| 22:57.21 | DelphiWorld | please verify my network config: |
| 22:57.22 | DelphiWorld | http://debian.pastebin.com/m56dfe06f |
| 22:57.35 | DelphiWorld | and tel me if is right or no, before i restart my inet services please |
| 22:57.55 | Titan8990 | DelphiWorld, no nameservers |
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| 22:58.08 | azeem | in /e/n/i? |
| 22:58.27 | DelphiWorld | Titan8990: could you past a template please? |
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| 22:58.45 | Titan8990 | DelphiWorld, dns-nameservers 4.2.2.1 |
| 22:58.51 | themill | DelphiWorld: lines 3 to 7 should be indented too |
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| 22:59.17 | DelphiWorld | thanks all! |
| 22:59.23 | Titan8990 | themill, i thought that was just done for clarity.... does it actually read indention like python? |
| 22:59.25 | DelphiWorld | temi: what you mean please? |
| 22:59.39 | DelphiWorld | temi: please past to me a sample line in a PM |
| 22:59.41 | martiben | I have a problem with running Wicd on my ubuntu system where it finds and connects to my wireless router, but i dont get internet. Anyone familiar with this problem? |
| 22:59.51 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 22:59.51 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 22:59.54 | tpax | God, I love Windows XP. Everything works, everything runs fast. Thank God. |
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| 23:00.07 | DelphiWorld | lol xp |
| 23:01.01 | themill | Titan8990: true! now I wonder if that's always been the case or not... |
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| 23:02.10 | DelphiWorld | temi: so not aplicable here? |
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| 23:02.17 | Titan8990 | DelphiWorld, if you do man interfaces the examples in there use indented blocks |
| 23:02.39 | benjamindees | ahaha -- and wiggling the mouse and pressing the buttons powers my system back up... |
| 23:02.42 | DelphiWorld | Titan8990: sory my friend, i can't understand that i'm just a new user;) |
| 23:03.35 | DelphiWorld | ok, now see my complete network file: |
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| 23:03.48 | _ke | Titan8990, azeem my firewall was blocking the previous traceroute attempts. i disabled the matching rules for a moment and got this: http://pastebin.com/d25f7f6b8 |
| 23:04.21 | DelphiWorld | http://debian.pastebin.com/m51619e4a |
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| 23:04.38 | _ke | Titan8990, azeem in my opinion, it fails on the last server, which i cannot connect to |
| 23:04.40 | Titan8990 | _ke, now thats legit, there are routers all over the internet that will drop icmp |
| 23:04.52 | Titan8990 | or could be legit i should say |
| 23:05.04 | _ke | Titan8990, yep |
| 23:05.15 | mythomaniac | has anyone had any luck in getting the prog "anypaper" to work, anytime i try to set the wallpaper i get: "(anypaper:5668): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed", "sh: Set_Command: command not found" |
| 23:05.33 | azeem | _ke: bad firewall :) |
| 23:05.37 | Titan8990 | _ke, the odd thing is that it hits the same hop twice |
| 23:05.51 | _ke | Titan8990, is there a way i can move around that host? |
| 23:06.22 | Titan8990 | _ke, no |
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| 23:06.53 | DelphiWorld | Titan8990: please see: http://debian.pastebin.com/m51619e4a |
| 23:07.03 | _ke | Titan8990, so only the previous host could forward the pakets to another (working) host? |
| 23:07.05 | jeeves__ | how can I probe a chipset of a usb wifi card? |
| 23:07.24 | benjamindees | jeeves__: lsusb |
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| 23:07.33 | Titan8990 | DelphiWorld, looks fine to me |
| 23:08.13 | jeeves__ | benjamindees, hummm, I tried that, and I still can't find the one I need for my d-link wua-1340 card |
| 23:08.30 | DelphiWorld | Titan8990: i trust you;) |
| 23:09.12 | DelphiWorld | i moved my works from windows servzer to debian including freeswitch;) |
| 23:09.52 | jeeves__ | benjamindees, it just shows up with the card's model # |
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| 23:10.02 | Titan8990 | _ke, it can mean a few things... that router doesn't know how to route the packet, doesn't want to, or is just dropping icmp |
| 23:10.34 | _ke | Titan8990, apparently it seems down to me? |
| 23:11.07 | DelphiWorld | so, thank all for the help! |
| 23:11.19 | DelphiWorld | temi: Titan8990: azeem: thanks! |
| 23:11.23 | azeem | _ke: you can maybe try a transparent SSH proxy if you really need to connect to that mail server |
| 23:11.28 | Titan8990 | _ke, thats a major jump in latency once you hit that that network... |
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| 23:11.55 | benjamindees | jeeves__: the ID should be there otherwise pastebin the output |
| 23:12.05 | _ke | Titan8990, ah yeah |
| 23:12.25 | benjamindees | jeeves__, what is it that you are wanting to find out? |
| 23:12.28 | Titan8990 | _ke, at this point i think you would have better luck in ##networking |
| 23:13.03 | _ke | Titan8990, ok! |
| 23:13.03 | azeem | fwiw, I can't traceroute all the way either |
| 23:13.03 | Titan8990 | _ke, because i doubt it has something to do with the configuration on your debian box |
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| 23:13.03 | azeem | _ke: regular ping doesn't work either now that you disabled the firewall? |
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| 23:13.30 | _ke | azeem, im letting through ping, so i can ping google for example (and the other way round) |
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| 23:13.49 | azeem | ok |
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| 23:16.33 | jeeves_Moss | benjamindees, sorry. I'm trying to use it with Kismet |
| 23:16.38 | Kuwaity | ? |
| 23:17.43 | Kuwaity | ¿ |
| 23:18.02 | jeeves_Moss | benjamindees, are you still there? |
| 23:18.05 | benjamindees | jeeves_Moss: I think the only drivers for your card are ndiswrapper |
| 23:18.26 | Kuwaity | hi |
| 23:18.28 | benjamindees | jeeves_Moss: do you have the card working? |
| 23:18.32 | jeeves_Moss | benjamindees, will it still work with Kismet, or should I just get a new card? |
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| 23:18.59 | jeeves_Moss | benjamindees, the card works with the OS, I just need to know what settings I need to use in Kismet |
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| 23:19.18 | OpenTokix | Is this debian or ubuntu? |
| 23:19.28 | OpenTokix | gNjA |
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| 23:19.43 | jelly-home | [01:18] <-- gNjA has quit (Excess Flood) |
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| 23:20.16 | jeeves_Moss | benjamindees, sorry, someone flooded, you were saying? |
| 23:20.20 | clearscreen | !ops ban tiem |
| 23:20.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: clearscreen complains about: ban tiem |
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| 23:20.32 | Titan8990 | !ops people spamming |
| 23:20.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: titan8990 complains about: people spamming |
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| 23:20.39 | jeeves_Moss | MOD!!!! can someone kick the flooder? |
| 23:20.43 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@41.238.77.110] by mentor |
| 23:20.43 | *** kick/#debian [deje0!n=mentor@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor) |
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| 23:20.58 | benjamindees | jeeves_Moss: I'm under the impression that kismet may not work with ndiswrapper drivers |
| 23:20.59 | sussudio | it's a botnet, you idiot. they come from all over the place. |
| 23:21.00 | jelly-home | jeeves_Moss: it's a bit distributed over misc. ip addresses |
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| 23:21.08 | Titan8990 | i can imagine you all are having trouble with the names... |
| 23:21.30 | mentor | eyes sussudio |
| 23:21.49 | beardy | Wtf. |
| 23:21.56 | jelly-home | !sing sussudio |
| 23:21.56 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 23:22.05 | clearscreen | lol.. |
| 23:22.07 | beardy | themill: When did that happen? |
| 23:22.21 | NiveusLuna | if they're trying to take down freenode with THAT, they're gonna be seriously disappointed, i'd imagine. |
| 23:22.31 | beardy | gives sussudio eye pokers. |
| 23:22.39 | mentor | There is more than one way to deny service... |
| 23:22.40 | jeeves_Moss | jelly-home, hummmm, it's strange how the OS sees it fine though |
| 23:22.47 | jeeves_Moss | benjamindees, hummmm. |
| 23:22.48 | Titan8990 | NiveusLuna, they didn't hit any other chans it looks like |
| 23:22.51 | benjamindees | earlier I watched fsck fail with error 3 and reboot but I see nothing in the logs. any suggestions? (on testing) |
| 23:23.08 | jelly-home | jeeves_Moss: no, I meant the bots (sorry) |
| 23:23.28 | jeeves_Moss | jelly-home, oh, sorry. |
| 23:23.29 | NiveusLuna | wow... just wow. |
| 23:24.13 | mentor | benjamindees: Run fsck again? |
| 23:24.18 | sussudio | there's a difference between "taking down freenode" and "being a wanker". |
| 23:24.31 | moty66 | Is it normal that bugizlla runs slow on 400Mhz ppc with 512mb of ram |
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| 23:25.08 | NiveusLuna | if you want to be an arse, there's better ways to do it >_> |
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| 23:25.24 | mentor | moty66: Depends on the bottleneck? |
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| 23:26.17 | benjamindees | 'shutdown -F' takes me into single user mode? |
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| 23:26.59 | sussudio | http://i36.tinypic.com/2n6ugjl.jpg < actual footage of a DDoSer in his natural environment |
| 23:27.15 | mentor | benjamindees: no |
| 23:27.19 | Titan8990 | benjamindees, looking at the man pages i would think that it would reboot |
| 23:27.22 | moty66 | mentor: how I can find the bottleneck in my system |
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| 23:27.48 | benjamindees | it just did. I'll try again in a sec. 'shutdown -F now' |
| 23:28.02 | mentor | sussudio: Right, you're being offtopic, non-constructive, and probably a bit abusive. This is your only warning on the matter. |
| 23:28.17 | mentor | benjamindees: It just does a fsck on reboot |
| 23:28.22 | themill | sussudio: please no... all you're doing is adding to it. |
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| 23:28.34 | benjamindees | I see fsck is now run from the initrd |
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| 23:28.52 | mentor | sussudio: And I need you to acknowledge the receipt of the warning now, please |
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| 23:29.24 | sussudio | my w |
| 23:29.24 | sussudio | what |
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| 23:30.24 | benjamindees | 'shutdown -F now' goes into single-user in testing |
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| 23:30.53 | pawbie | I just did an update today in Debian squeeze. My NVIDIA drivers have stopped working and throw an error about SELinux being disabled, not using in X. Then it dies... ? |
| 23:30.58 | mentor | sussudio: Was that a request for clarification? If so, I would appreciate more guidance on what you would like clarifying. |
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| 23:31.10 | Titan8990 | benjamindees, maybe it was intended to be used like: shutdown -F -r now |
| 23:31.19 | mentor | benjamindees: hmmmmm. May need to file a bug on the man page |
| 23:32.02 | streuner_ | pawbie: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:32.41 | sussudio | mentor: you sound like a bot. |
| 23:33.18 | pawbie | streuner: I dunno what you want me to do? |
| 23:33.38 | elik | Is it possible to set a static IP for a computer on a wireless network? and say, for a specific SSID? |
| 23:33.42 | karsten | pawbie: read the factoid. |
| 23:33.45 | streuner_ | you should just read the factoid :-) |
| 23:33.47 | elik | (but still having the possibility to roam) |
| 23:33.55 | karsten | pawbie: ... which dpkg told you. Then sort out next teps. |
| 23:33.56 | karsten | steps. |
| 23:34.19 | karsten | benjamindees: It does? |
| 23:34.45 | pawbie | hm.. Found an article that says debians nv doesn't get along with Nvidia's proprietary driver. |
| 23:34.48 | streuner | elik: sure |
| 23:34.50 | karsten | benjamindees: First off, that's not a shutdown argument, it's a reboot argument, and it should be lowercased. |
| 23:35.09 | streuner | pawbie: nv cant do 3D, nvidia does |
| 23:35.23 | pawbie | streuner: I know, but it seems I have both of them installed. :\ |
| 23:35.25 | dondelelcaro | karsten: it's a shutdown argument too |
| 23:35.26 | karsten | benjamindees: 'shutdown -r now' == reboot. 'reboot -f' should force a kernel reboot without invoking the init.d shutdown scripts. |
| 23:35.26 | Titan8990 | elik, if there is its not properly documented |
| 23:35.28 | streuner | pawbie: but there are packages in Debian... |
| 23:35.31 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Hrm. |
| 23:35.46 | dondelelcaro | -f just causes fsck to be skipped |
| 23:35.53 | dondelelcaro | -F forces it to be run |
| 23:35.53 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Ah: force fsck. |
| 23:36.11 | pawbie | time to go test this... |
| 23:36.13 | streuner | good call |
| 23:36.15 | elik | streuner, cool, and how would I do that? I know you usually put it in /etc/networking/interfaces, but I kinda have this feeling this applies more to ethernet |
| 23:36.18 | streuner | force |
| 23:36.20 | elik | Titan8990, yeah... sadly |
| 23:36.24 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ubuntu/debian deltas strike again. |
| 23:36.40 | streuner | elik: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:36.42 | mentor | sussudio: I'm going to take that as an acknowledgement then. |
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| 23:36.52 | streuner | elik: sure, thats the tric |
| 23:36.59 | sussudio | mentor: do you want a cookie or something? |
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| 23:37.14 | streuner | elik: no magic, just configure interfaces to use static IP |
| 23:37.15 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I just pray 'killall' behavior doesn't suddenly change a'la Solaris ;-) |
| 23:37.17 | benjamindees | karsten, look at 'man shutdown'. I'm trying to force fsck on reboot. |
| 23:37.18 | dondelelcaro | (well, really all that happens is that /forcefsck is touched, hopefully that's what happens) |
| 23:37.19 | sussudio | dickheads are doing it on other networks i'm on too... |
| 23:37.28 | streuner | heh |
| 23:37.38 | elik | streuner, well, usually, .../interface conflict with network-manager |
| 23:37.47 | karsten | benjamindees: Yeah. "shutdown" w/o an argument goes single-user. So I think your command is "shutdown -r -F now" |
| 23:37.49 | streuner | elik: true |
| 23:37.53 | elik | streuner, at least I remember having to flush its content for the latter to work properly |
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| 23:38.04 | karsten | benjamindees: ... or "shutdown -h -F now" for halt rather than reboot. |
| 23:38.07 | elik | streuner, well, I don't want to lose this feature |
| 23:38.07 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro: it does touch /forcefsck |
| 23:38.15 | streuner | elik: NM uses wpa-supplicant in order to use WPA |
| 23:38.28 | benjamindees | karsten, it would appear so |
| 23:38.29 | elik | streuner, when home, I want a static IP, rest of the time, DHCP |
| 23:38.35 | streuner | elik: just use ONE of them (wpa-suppicant NM or interfaces) |
| 23:38.45 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: so if you don't specify -r or -h, then it just goes to single user, as documented |
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| 23:39.04 | streuner | elik: look at the examples of interfaces then (/msg dpkg interfaces) |
| 23:39.49 | streuner | elik: and make always sure, all other daemons are not able to irritate your working configure |
| 23:39.52 | karsten | benjamindees: also '-P' though I'd have to test to see how it's meant to be invoked (poweroff on halt). |
| 23:39.55 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, where is that documented? |
| 23:40.00 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: in man shutdown; |
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| 23:40.48 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: it's the sentence which starts with Runlevel in the first (real) paragraph |
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| 23:41.02 | elik | streuner, turns out the network-manager seems to have all I need :) |
| 23:41.09 | elik | streuner, at least, it looks like it does |
| 23:41.11 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro: ah I see now; anyways the -F behaviour is not consistent with the man page |
| 23:41.27 | streuner | elik: good work |
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| 23:41.51 | karsten | dondelelcaro: "runlevel 1 is used to put to system into a state where administrative tasks can be performed" *really* could be better written as "into single-user" (administrator) mode, IMO. |
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| 23:42.08 | benjamindees | "Force fsck on reboot." -> "Force fsck on the next boot." |
| 23:42.09 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: uh... it's consistent. all -F does is cause /forcefsck to be touched; what actually happens from then on depends on the other options |
| 23:42.25 | simonrvn | karsten: i'd *add* that to it, not subst. it |
| 23:42.37 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: which would be a reboot... |
| 23:42.49 | benjamindees | not really |
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| 23:43.07 | karsten | benjamindees: What dondelelcaro said. /forcefsck triggers the checks in /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh and checkfs.sh |
| 23:43.16 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: you've already had the machine booted once, so any other time is a reboot. How long you wait before booting again doesn't matter |
| 23:43.19 | benjamindees | karsten, yes I understand how it works |
| 23:43.27 | karsten | benjamindees: If you want to force a particular filesystem to fsck, you can edit the filesystem flags. |
| 23:43.43 | karsten | benjamindees: OK. We get all levels here. |
| 23:43.59 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, actually it does since reboot is a completely separate function |
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| 23:44.15 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: no, it's just used in two different contexts |
| 23:44.26 | benjamindees | then it's confusing and should be fixed |
| 23:44.31 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: one is the action, the other is a state |
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| 23:44.51 | benjamindees | confounding boot with reboot serves no purpose other than to confuse |
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| 23:45.11 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: uh... it's not really confusing for me, but whatever, if you care, file a but with a patch. |
| 23:45.17 | dondelelcaro | s/but/bug/ |
| 23:45.29 | benjamindees | I guess by your logic we could say a system only ever boots once? |
| 23:45.36 | karsten | benjamindees: '-c', '-C', 'i', would be your tune2fs arguments, FYI. |
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| 23:45.44 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: it boots multiple times, but all subsequent boots are also reboots. |
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| 23:46.28 | benjamindees | so if I take the hard drive out and put it in a system that has never been booted before, what does it do, implode? |
| 23:46.53 | benjamindees | or does it fsck on boot instead of reboot? |
| 23:46.56 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: from the perspective of the drive, it's still a reboot |
| 23:47.14 | elik | To all of you who worked on the network-manager here, it's fucking awesome! Wifi support has progressed massively since I started using Debian |
| 23:47.18 | karsten | benjamindees: (re)boot is the startup sequence. shutdown is the shutdown sequence. Where's your confusion? |
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| 23:48.34 | benjamindees | karsten, 'reboot' is a completely separate function call that tells the system to reboot immediately. 'shutdown' or 'halt' don't. 'boot' is what happens when a person physically presses a button to make the system boot without using the 'reboot' function call. |
| 23:49.00 | karsten | benjamindees: What's your proposed fix? |
| 23:49.04 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: you're confusing the verb with the noun. -F and -f are talking about the state of the system, not the command |
| 23:49.14 | elik | Wew, major xserver update on its way! |
| 23:49.15 | benjamindees | this is just ridiculous muddy thinking to conflate boot and reboot unnecessarily |
| 23:49.33 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: there's no difference between reboot and next boot in this context; they mean the same thing. |
| 23:49.35 | karsten | benjamindees: And what is a "function call"? |
| 23:49.46 | karsten | benjamindees: Neither boot nor reboot are kernel system calls. |
| 23:49.54 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: "next boot" might avoid the confusion, but this jargon is everywhere, and it's fairly clear. |
| 23:49.55 | benjamindees | I'm not exactly sure what it is, a BIOS call I believe, it doesn't matter. |
| 23:50.21 | benjamindees | like I said, "next boot" is more clear. I can't believe you two would argue this. |
| 23:50.47 | ranix | next boot is clearer than next reboot |
| 23:50.51 | benjamindees | you can just google 'shutdown -F' to see that the expected behavior is not clear |
| 23:51.23 | ranix | mostly because 'next boot' is the language fsck uses and it should be consistent |
| 23:51.23 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; it was never not clear to me... |
| 23:51.28 | karsten | benjamindees: I'm trying to understand 1) the perceived problem and 2) the suggested fix. I *am* being pedantic. I'm not trying to be argumentative. I *am* trying to prompt you to be very clear in what you're saying. |
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| 23:51.59 | karsten | ranix: If UNIX were consistent, it would be VMS. |
| 23:52.04 | ranix | shrug |
| 23:52.11 | benjamindees | "reboot" == "reset" == shutdown now and immediately boot again |
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| 23:52.20 | ranix | boot is more consistent and slightly less ambiguous than reboot |
| 23:52.22 | karsten | ranix: It was a joke, but that's a better response than I usually get. |
| 23:52.34 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: in any event, file a bug with a patch. complaining here is useless |
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| 23:53.00 | ranix | I just love to be pedantic |
| 23:53.01 | karsten | benjamindees: The only diference between "shutdown / halt / poweroff" and "reboot" is that in the latter case the restart is automatically and immediately triggered. |
| 23:53.20 | karsten | benjamindees: The presumption is, generally, that the system will come up again. I don't see an issue. |
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| 23:53.25 | benjamindees | ranix, it doesn't even say "next reboot". it says "Force fsck on reboot." |
| 23:53.49 | karsten | washes his hands and moves on. |
| 23:53.55 | ranix | I think 'force fsck on reboot' is fairly clear |
| 23:53.56 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: right, I could understand the confusion if it said "force fsck and reboot"... but it doesn't... |
| 23:54.13 | benjamindees | karsten, like you said, the presumption is that it is "automatically and immediately triggered" which is not what happens. |
| 23:54.36 | dondelelcaro | karsten: in the case of reboot, it's only triggered if you use the right flags; otherwise it calls shutdown |
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| 23:55.07 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, it implies that there will be a 'reboot' which I think most will agree is not the same as a boot like you define it. |
| 23:55.14 | ranix | honestly it doesn't matter when the fsck happens - before or after power cycle / bios reset - since fsck happens after the drive is unmounted and while it's unmounted in any case and you will be turning it back on to be sure everything is okay anyway |
| 23:55.26 | ranix | and there are more important things to think about |
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| 23:56.01 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Um. I'd have to check, I usually run 'shutdown -r' anyhow, and I thought 'reboot' defaulted to, well, rebooting. The fact that we've got "shutdown", "poweroff", "reboot", and "halt" is something of a historical accident (or series of several). |
| 23:56.23 | ranix | karsten: I think it's for legacy script compatability |
| 23:56.35 | dondelelcaro | karsten: well, it basically just calls shutdown -r now; or something |
| 23:56.59 | karsten | ranix: edge-case: since a poweroff does a full cold boot of hardware, there's the chance that a firmware reset of the device might change behavior, or that the disk might behave differently when starting cold rather than hot. Rare, but can be significant. |
| 23:57.00 | Titan8990 | shutdown is found on bsd whereas poweroff (atleast) is not |
| 23:57.04 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: nah, it implies that when there is a reboot, fsck will be run |
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| 23:57.28 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro: yes I understand you have a muddled definition of "reboot" |
| 23:57.30 | ranix | I think that's outside the scope of the alert message we're discussing lol |
| 23:57.52 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: well, it's certainly the only one that makes sense and is consistent with the usage in the documentation. |
| 23:58.08 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: and since usage drives definition, perhaps it's not so muddled. |
| 23:58.26 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I see poweroff => halt, reboot -> halt, halt with one link, and shutdown it's own animal. |
| 23:58.32 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, actually it makes no sense and is not consistent since the man page has a '-r' option for 'reboot' which immediately shuts down the computer and starts it back up. |
| 23:58.56 | benjamindees | so as far as the manpage is concerned, that is a reboot |
| 23:58.56 | karsten | washes his hands, again. |
| 23:59.10 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: except it doesn't |
| 23:59.19 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro: what doesn't? |
| 23:59.30 | karsten | reboots the channel. |
| 23:59.32 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: it specifically says that -r "reboot after shutdown" |
| 23:59.36 | ranix | benjamindees: you are arguing that the term 'reboot' is ambiguous and needs to be changed. dondelelcaro is arguing that it is ambiguous and does not need to be changed. You should stop telling him that it's ambiguous because he agrees on this point. The contention is that it does not matter. |
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| 23:59.58 | ranix | or that it's not VERY ambiguous |
