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00:00.38dondelelcarobenjamindees: and it doesn't do it immediately; it actually shifts to runlevel 6, which presumably should cause the system to be rebooted eventually
00:00.40simonrvnit's biguous
00:00.47benjamindeesranix, ambiguity is a bug
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00:00.56ranixso file a big report d00d
00:00.58karstensimonrvn: Is that non-an?
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00:01.09karstenseeks greater biguity in life.
00:01.14simonrvnkarsten: it's non-am
00:01.20ranixkarsten: I have some email for you
00:01.24karstensimonrvn: I'm bidexterous.
00:01.25dondelelcarobenjamindees: all of which is specified in the very first paragraph
00:01.30karstenranix: Do you now?
00:01.34simonrvnranix: so do i
00:01.42karstenranix: I knew someone was reading my mail!
00:01.46simonrvnranix: for you
00:01.47ranixyes, if you seek biguity I have a spam folder full of offers you might be interested in
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00:01.55karstenranix: :)
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00:02.17UF-Gast369hi
00:02.20ranixsup
00:02.47dbbhi all- I want to record a large file to a DVD, using Debian 5.. I just installed dvdrecord.. clues on what next?
00:03.07streunerdbb: just use k3b, its easy
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00:03.40benjamindeesdondelelcaro: yeah it says 'reboot after shutdown' because 'reboot' is what it specifically asks the BIOS to do, which doesn't happen any other way, especially not on a regular boot.
00:04.03simonrvnyou guys are still going on about that?
00:04.05karstendbb: what streuner said.
00:04.15dbbk3b wants to install a bunch of multi-media stuf.. it looks like. though I am very much uip for "easy"
00:04.23streunerkarsten: you sound like an echo :-P
00:04.40ranixyodels at karsten
00:04.50streunerdbb: sure, k3b needs more space, but thats no problem nowadays...
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00:05.04karstendbb: k3b is the best burner out there.  IIRC it gives you (or can) the commands actually being run on the back-end, if you want to go CLI.
00:05.16dbbI am not a huge CLI fan
00:05.21dbbok - I'll try
00:05.27streunergood luck
00:05.37karstendbb: I'm also (mostly) a KDE fan, at least so far as the apps are concerned.  Better than GNOME IMO, especially in terms of architecture.
00:05.56benjamindees'shutdown' is a software feature.  'halt' and 'reboot' are distinct functions of the BIOS.
00:06.00dbbwell I just have the default desktop so far
00:06.06karstensings a rhumba in falsetto at ranix
00:06.20dbbits a database server... but I come from a desktop culture
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00:06.23karstenranix: delayed-response audio-processing advanced echo.
00:06.39karstenbenjamindees: So, how's your girlfriend doing?
00:06.57benjamindeesyour mom is doing my laundry right now, thanks
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00:07.40karstenShe always did look after the riff-raff.
00:08.27benjamindeesaww, karsten can't take being wrong...
00:09.08karstenbenjamindees: give it a rest.  File a bug if you believe in it.  Discussion here isn't going anywhere and won't change anything.
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00:15.58Titan8990jordan@sabayon ~ $ grep foobar *
00:15.58Titan8990Binary file debian-502-i386-netinst.iso matches
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00:17.18P_KableHi, anyone knows how to make a cat5 shielded cable please ?
00:17.23KarlitaHello people. I just installed transmission by doing "apt-get install transmission". Seems to have been installed correctly. But where can I find it?
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00:17.55P_KableKarlita: in console type transmission ;)
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00:18.54KarlitaP_Kable: Thanks for the quick answer. Unfortunately I don't know how to use linux system =) I am on a seedbox.. And I read how to download tansmission by going into the terminal. What is the console?
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00:19.21P_Kableconsole = terminal
00:19.39P_Kableif you're on gnome alt+f2 and enter transmission
00:19.46\amethystKarlita:  if you're using GNOME, look in the 'Applications' menu, under 'Internet' -> 'Transmission BitTorrent Client'
00:19.48P_Kableor in the internet menu
00:19.57dsdeizEsRaRKeSH <- is this like a spammer?
00:20.08babilen_!op EsRaRKeSH porn spam
00:20.10KarlitaI believe it runs under "wine"
00:20.14P_Kabledsdeiz: yeah he keeps sneding me free porn
00:20.35\amethystKarlita:  it does not
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00:20.40P_KableKarlita: wine is somethin else
00:21.06KarlitaI was pressing the up and down arrows in the terminal and the person setting up the seedbox had downloaded "wine"
00:21.24KarlitaI did as you said, alt +f2, I typed transmission but did not work
00:22.06KarlitaIt's not on the internet menu \amethyst , I checke there first thing but no :(
00:22.18dsdeizmaybe it's not installed
00:22.21\amethystand you are sure you installed it successfully?
00:22.38\amethysthow did you run "apt-get install transmission" ?
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00:23.04babilen_how to use "!op" ? sorry for the spam, but i would like to get rid of EsRaRKeSH. I dislike spam on IRC
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00:23.55Karlita\amethyst: First it asked me that i needed a pass. So I searched the net. It said " su" then pass. I did.. Then i typed apt-get install transmission. No errors
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00:24.04KarlitaIt installed some packages
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00:24.43dsdeizdpkg -l | grep transmission ?
00:24.43dpkgNo packages found matching | grep transmission
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00:27.08kandpelI am trying openoffice 3.1.1 and it does not support SCIM, OO hangs when I do a ctrl-space. do i have to config something?
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00:27.52KarlitaSo any ideas guys? Where is it installed? Maybe I could manually click it?
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00:28.54tangentiKarlita: sudo ?
00:29.01Karlitasudo? :S
00:29.25jorikKarlita: which transmission
00:29.37KarlitaI did a apt-get install transmission
00:29.53jorikyes, and which transmission will tell you where it is
00:29.55Karlitathe bittorrentclient?
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00:30.38KarlitaWell I can't find it
00:30.42Karlitaand I would like to find it :)
00:30.49dsdeizthe command is 'which transmission'
00:31.32KarlitaNothing displayed. It gave me a new line dsdeiz
00:31.42tangentiYou cant' found it on your sysytem ot in repository?
00:31.51dsdeizthen i guess it's not installed
00:31.54tangentitype whatever...
00:32.08Karlitatangenti: I don't know linux. I am running a seedbox and would like to use transmission..
00:32.11tangentifind / -name "*whatever*"
00:32.17elikFinally got nvidia drivers back on my lenny box
00:32.23Blyber_BurnettWhenever I connect any media to my PC, be it a USB zip drive, or a blank CD for writing, I get errors about the file system in dmsg. CDs will partially write, and then fail half way through. Does anyone have some insight on what I should be looking into, or some good google search terms for this?
00:32.35tangentiright
00:32.46tangentibring to the cli-terminal
00:33.01tangentiand triy this..
00:33.19Karlitausr/share menu transmission it found
00:33.25tangentiapt-cache search transmission
00:33.25markybobKarlita, transmission is no good.  you should use deluge on a seedbox
00:33.34Karlitadeluge?
00:33.37ranixtorrentflux
00:33.44tangentiwhat's it? what that do?
00:33.44markybobKarlita, yes.  it has a cli, web and gtk interface
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00:33.52markybobKarlita, deluge-torrent.org
00:34.01KarlitaOh I will check it out :) Thanks
00:34.09tangentiapt-get search transmission
00:34.26dsdeizwhen you say 'sid' is it like the unstable version? :-/
00:34.29KarlitaInvalid operation search
00:34.59markybobKarlita, forget about it.  deluge kills transmission in every way
00:35.12Karlitamarkybob: I'll try it out then! Apt-get install deluge ?
00:35.17AndorinAgreed. Deluge owns.
00:35.23AndorinYeah, I think it's in the repos.
00:35.27markybobKarlita, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=deluge
00:35.40markybobKarlita, http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Download
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00:36.12dsdeizis it also lightweight?
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00:36.20markybobdsdeiz, very much so
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00:36.37dsdeizooh, gotta install it too. thanks
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00:38.04Karlitaif we are running wine, should i get it for windows or still for linux?
00:38.18markybobKarlita, native is always better.  get linux
00:38.40KarlitaThanks markybob for taking your time to help me, mostly appreciated
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00:39.34zklHow can i control devices spawned at booting? reduce /dev/ttyN and so on?
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00:41.01KarlitaOk now I am confused :) How do I get it to the seedbox? apt-get did not work. So what is the easiest way for me to get it?
00:41.04Karlitaor how rather
00:41.05zklthai dont need 64 ttys and 8 loops it must be somwhere in /etc but i dont know where:/
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00:41.41markybobKarlita, which debian version are you using?
00:42.26Karlitamarkybob: Forgive my lack of knowledge but no idea. I just rent a seedbox. So I don't know. I got root access and not familiar with linux =) And the owner refuse to help me. and vuze is too demanding
00:42.35KarlitaAre there anyway I can check what version I have?
00:43.11markybobKarlita, cat /etc/debian_version
00:43.31karstenzkl: Um, what exactly are you referring to?
00:43.48Karlita4.0, markybob
00:44.17markybobKarlita, wow.  ok.  that's ancient and deluge (nor anything anywhere near recent) will run on that
00:44.17paissad-hphi all
00:44.23karstenzkl: Normally you spawn 6 gettys on tty1-tty6.  The ptys are used for shell sessions, etc.  I'd leave that count high.   What is your concern with 64 ptys being allocated?
00:44.32karstenzkl: "loops" == loopback devices?
00:44.32Karlitamarkybob: lol okey =)
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00:45.04paissad-hphow can i make that mpd and other softwares such as mplayer, vlc or audacious have audio outputs working, actually, when mpd runs, mplayer for example play an audio file, but there's no sound !
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00:45.23karstenzkl: Those are used for mounting filesystems-on-files, or encrypted filesystems.  Again, they use few resources.  Both tty allocation and  loopback devices are kernel config options, though you may be able to set these with boot-time parameters (I don't think so though).
00:45.31markybobKarlita, that's really old.  you should upgrade or move to another provider.
00:45.35zkli mean devices in /dev dir
00:45.37karstenpaissad-hp: check your mixer levels.
00:45.38nevynKarlita: I did configure 24 ttys on a pentium system I used with linux ages ago.
00:45.44zkli know that login is only on 6 ttys
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00:46.02elikMy keyboard shortcuts for amarok are not working properly anymore (catched only when in the app). Could it be caused by the KDE pacakges being held back
00:46.02zklbut i want to have clean and nice /dev dir;)
00:46.12karstenzkl: Most of those are dynamically allocated through udev these days.
00:46.22karstenzkl: Find another obsession.
00:46.24paissad-hpkarsten, mixers levels ? how ? alsamixer ?
00:46.37Karlitamarkybob: lol, okey =) Bad provider! Hard to upgrade?
00:46.38karstenpaissad-hp: alsamixer or aumix, usually.
00:46.52karstenzkl: That's a pretty stupid thing to be worrying about.
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00:46.57zklhah thx karsten i sure will
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00:47.23paissad-hpkarsten, that's what i did, but i don't think that's the issue
00:47.33zkli just like order, i made nice minimal kernel and feel fine with less lines in dmesg
00:47.52markybobKarlita, if you're not familiar with linux, it could get pretty tricky
00:47.57markybob!tell Karlita -about etch->lenny
00:48.16markybobKarlita, read what the bot /msg'd  you as to how to upgrade
00:48.17abrotmanwhy is the question about ctrl-alt-bksp in the console-setup package ?
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00:49.15karstenzkl: and one of these days you're going to run out of ptys when your systme's in a near-hung state and you'll hate yourself.
00:49.16KarlitaThanks markybob: Will our files be erased? Or the wine that we are running?
00:49.17elikabrotman, funny, I just read about that
00:49.18karstenhas 256 ptys, 16 allocated.
00:49.21karstenpaicheck hardware controlls for the speaker(s) then.
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00:49.42markybobKarlita, no
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00:50.30dbbhi - so I installed k3b, and it came up.. does that mean I "have kde" now?
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00:50.56markybobuh
00:51.01markybobdbb, no
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00:51.16elikdbb, but you probably have a lot of its libraries loaded
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00:51.34Wyzarddbb: It means you have some KDE libraries installed, but a desktop environment consists of many programs, not just a CD-burning app
00:51.54zklkarsten: but it's only desktop it's kinda fun :) and always learn smth new
00:52.00dbbwell sure - I wrote some fairly large apps.. 20 years ago
00:52.05Karlitamarkybob: How do I edit the config file?
00:52.06dbbso I get how things are built..
00:52.19markybobKarlita, nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
00:52.20dbbbut I dont know how granular these kde libs are.. I am not from Linux
00:52.26elikI'm having a hard time with my global kb shortcuts in Amarok. They register only when I'm inside the application. Could it be cause by the KDE packages being held back?
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00:52.43markybobdbb, then dont worry about it.  it's irrelevent to you
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00:52.58dbbmarkybob: unless I want to run the KDE Window mgr
00:53.02Wyzarddbb: A desktop environment is a suite of programs that make up a desktop user experience -- "taskbar", file manager, text editor, applets like a clock, etc.
00:53.23Wyzarddbb: with a common look-and-feel and integration between them
00:53.28dbby
00:53.41WyzardIt's more than just a window manager
00:54.06dbbright - so I was saying.. I just loaded this app that seems to have a bunch of look and feel components in it
00:54.16dbbso.. widget libs, event handling, all that has to be there
00:54.21WyzardIf you're a developer then you presumably know what libraries are, so you can imagine that a suite of programs meant to work together probably have a bunch of libraries in common
00:54.29dbb*sigh*
00:54.29Wyzardyeah
00:54.46dbbnp - I will look it up sometime
00:54.48KarlitaOk, i changed eerything from etch to lenny
00:54.49Wyzardso by installing k3b you got lots of KDE libraries, but not all the applications that use them
00:54.52KarlitaNow how do I save the nano file?
00:55.28pablo_Hi i tryied to rebuild a debian kernel package to a old pc. And after 12 hours of compiling it tells me than a lib is missing. I shutdown the machine and forget which library is missing. :P Can i see it in a log file?
00:55.42markybobKarlita, it tells you on the bottom left.  ctrl+x exits, and it'll ask if you want to save
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00:56.07Karlitamarkybob: this is fun!!
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00:57.54Karlitamarkybob: the aptitude-safe upgrade does not work. It displays alot of "letters"
00:58.03Karlita-s , -d , -f etc
00:58.25benjamindeespablo_, I don't think the output would have been saved anywhere by default.  Next time redirect the output to a file with 'command &> file' for later viewing.
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00:58.41pablo_thanks
00:58.56stewKarlita: "aptitude install aptitude" succeeded?
00:59.06stewKarlita: or did you decided to not use the recommended procedure?
00:59.11Karlitaah i forgot it stew
00:59.24Karlitaso much text i get dizzy, sorry
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01:01.22Karlitaomg! Help! problem! or something. Something popped up! running services and programs that are using NSS need to be restarted" blablabla.. lots of text.. services to restart for gnu library: vsftp ssh rsync openbsd-inetd cron. I can type stuff there, or chose ok?
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01:01.45pablo_thanks bye
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01:01.59WyzardKarlita: Say OK to the default
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01:02.44WyzardKarlita: unless restarting one of those daemons right now would be problematic (not too likely)
01:03.02KarlitaAll stopped and restarted succesfully :)
01:04.28Karlitadownloading in 11mb/s <3
01:04.45dsdeizthat's pretty fast
01:04.54KarlitaIm on a gigabit connection
01:04.56Karlita1000/100
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01:05.18Karlitaasking me for keymap.. Dont touch keymap?
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01:06.30stew!widhe
01:06.30dpkgWhen In Doubt, Hit Enter
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01:08.04KarlitaOk guys now this is bad
01:08.29Karlitait was detected that its neccessary to run /sbin/lilo in order to update the new lilo configuration
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01:09.06Karlitawill write data in my MBR. What's mbr? :S
01:09.13simonrvnand... that's a problem how exactly?
01:09.20simonrvnmaster boot record
01:09.33KarlitaWhat does it do? I runa seedbox, I dont wanna mess anything up :P
01:10.09simonrvnseedbox?
01:10.14markybobKarlita, just hit yes or enter and keep going.  dont worry about stuff you dont understand
01:10.42Karlitamarkybob: well it is asking me saying "or your system may not boot again". So should i let it run it, or don't run it? :P
01:10.53markybobKarlita, yes, let it run
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01:11.47markybobgoes out for a smoke
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01:12.24dsdeizsmoking is bad
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01:13.41simonrvndsdeiz: ECHAN perhaps?
01:14.23dsdeizsimonrvn: ECHAN? what's that?
01:14.40simonrvnerror wrong/bad channel
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01:17.18ajavidmarkybob, tobacco is bad!
01:17.25ajavidmarkybob, stay inside and debian!
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01:25.59cesuraseananyone here use amanda-server?
01:26.10cesuraseanon lenny?
01:26.16simonrvnsame policy applies ;)
01:26.36cesuraseanwhat do you mean simon?
01:26.47anapivirtuait's debian channel.
01:26.52simonrvn/msg dpkg ask
01:26.52anapivirtuanot amanda-server channel.
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01:27.02simonrvni.e., just ask the question
01:27.07cesuraseanamanda-server is a package in debian though.
01:27.52cesuraseanwell, I don't quite know my question. I just can't get the backup process to work when I run a manual backup. There is no output, but it does seem like it created some files, but seemed wayyy too fast to have actually backed anything up.
01:28.35simonrvnsounds like it's not running at all, a la 'no-op'
01:28.35cesuraseanI need someone to hold my hand, if anyone is willing or even uses this package?
01:28.52cesuraseannah, the test connects to the clients fine, no errors,
01:28.58Karlitahmm
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01:29.09KarlitaHow long does "updating database of manual pages" take?
01:29.09cesuraseanI just don't have it configured correctly.
01:29.28simonrvnKarlita: not very long
01:29.37simonrvnfirst time might take a bit longer
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01:30.04abrotmanand depends on the machine in question
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01:30.28simonrvntrue
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01:30.34KarlitaOkey =)
01:30.47simonrvnoh lookie there, it's a CMOT
01:31.03CutMeOwnThroathey :)
01:31.12CutMeOwnThroatsausage inna bun?
01:31.23adbwb CutMeOwnThroat
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01:36.37Karlitahmm, lighttpd failed somwhere. Is that curcial?
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01:39.13dabreegs1erLatest update in squeeze broke nvidia-glx. I have a stock 2.6.30-1-686 kernel, nvidia-glx wants a nvidia-kernel that depends on a now nonexistant 2.6.26 package. I have a later nvidia-kernel that what it likes.
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01:41.02phorce1well, it got all pissy about THAT! KERNEL PANIC KERNEL PANIC. darn machine needs to read some Douglas Adams HHGTTG
01:41.05phorce1now I need to figure out what needs to be updated to get those drives to boot up in a new environment <sigh>
01:41.23phorce1digs for the rescue cd
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01:43.08ekontsevoyStupid question: how do I add something to PATH that sudo user picks it up? Whatever I add to /etc/profile is being ignored by sudoer...
01:43.55nevynsudo user blah is a non-interactive shell.. it won't run profile
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01:45.15KarlitasOkey, i got the latest debian now. How do I get hold of deluge bittorrent?
01:46.57Kvanttry: aptitude install deluge
01:47.43adb!hold
01:47.44dpkgsomebody said hold was a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package.  To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'.  It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'.  Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database.
01:49.26ekontsevoynevyn: thanks
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02:04.24rgrcan anyone tell me if I can configure something to run x applications from within a gnu screen inside gnome-terminal?
02:04.57stewrgr: sure
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02:06.00stewrgr: run gnome-terminal -e "screen -c /path/to/.screenrc" where the .screenrc starts the x applications
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02:06.58rgrI mean from the command line. e.g I set up my xmonad hot keys to bring up the screen which has 3 or 4 screens running. From the bash line in a screen I would like to be able to launch an x app like unison-gtk.
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02:07.40warcaptainhello!  can anyone give me any information as to what packages debian needs to have to do nothing but load a blank desktop and firefox?
02:07.43rgr(I use a single gnome-terminal profile which includes the options to find and connect to my existing screen session)
02:07.54warcaptain(and obviously get on the internet and use all plugins in firefox)
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02:08.03stewrgr: so what's the problem?
02:08.32stewwarcaptain: xorg and iceweasel
02:08.39rgr"No protocol specified" is first answer from most x apps.
02:08.54rgrfrom gedit its
02:08.55rgrNo protocol specified
02:08.55rgrCannot open display:
02:09.05stewrgr: what command gives you that?
02:09.11rgrgedit
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02:09.19rgrso I guess my term info tells the apps they cant run.
02:09.24CutMeOwnThroatekontsevoy, did you try roots personal configuration files... /root/.profile /root/.bashrc
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02:09.58rgrthats a point. I inherited a screenrc. I'll thin it down a bit and then see.
02:10.01stewrgr: so you open a terminal and type "gedit" at the prompt and you get that error?
02:10.05Karlitasthis is really driving me insane! I installed transmission. I went into the console and typed transmissioncli , pressed ok.. But nothing happens!. The console disappears and nothing happends :(
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02:10.14stewrgr: are you running it as the user that logged into or started X? or some other user?
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02:10.26rgrsame user. under screen.
02:10.29rgrbash.
02:10.37rgrinside gnome terminal.
02:10.38CutMeOwnThroatrgr, "Cannot open display: " means you have DISPLAY variable not set in that environment
02:10.55benjamindeesactually that would be useful to make a package named 'kiosk' that depends on xorg and iceweasel and sets up everything to boot up properly
02:11.24CutMeOwnThroatrgr, which means graphical applications don't know where (what display) to send their window(s) (to)
02:11.37rgrits set to :0.0  same as in xterm from which I can run gedit.
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02:12.12CutMeOwnThroatis it exported?
02:12.35CutMeOwnThroatobviously it's not set in the environment of the X app, as you're getting that error
02:12.48stewit doesn't need to be exported
02:12.57abrotmanenv | grep DISP ?
02:13.14abrotmanor echo $DISPLAY
02:13.15CutMeOwnThroatit doesn't?
02:13.30rgrI just said :0.0
02:13.35abrotmanCutMeOwnThroat: DISPLAY=:0.0 fooapp
02:13.36rgrinterestingly running screen in xterm I CAN run gedit.
02:13.53rgrits the screen inside gnometerminal thats fbarred.
02:14.19CutMeOwnThroatI don't even *have* gnometerminal, I think
02:14.34rgrabrotman: that didnt work.
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02:14.48stewrgr: does "DISPLAY=:0.0 gedit" work?
02:14.48rgr"no protocol specified".
02:14.54stewor give you a different error?
02:14.58rgr^
02:15.09pav5088<PROTECTED>
02:15.15pav5088How do I fix the [[]]  ?
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02:15.26abrotmanrgr: i was showing CutMeOwnThroat
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02:15.55CutMeOwnThroatabrotman, well... that's just doing the same as exporting, though :)
02:15.55stewrgr: if running it that way gives you a different result, then you are wrong about it being set to :0.0 already
02:15.57rgrstew: no that didnt not work. same error. "no protocol"
02:16.21rgrxterm, run screen, gedit : works.
02:16.22abrotmanCutMeOwnThroat: AFAIK, not really
02:16.38rgrgnome-terminal, screen, gedit works
02:16.41CutMeOwnThroatnot the same difference?
02:17.03rgr(screen using same .screenrc)
02:17.45TTimohello. I've been using make-kpkg with the --initrd option to make my kernels, but I'm not longer seeing them installed with an initrd (and they don't boot anymore) .. anyone know what's going on ? (sid amd64)
02:17.56rgrand "echo $DISPLAY" shows same in all : :0.0
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02:20.08rgrgedit even runs ok from an emacs term.
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02:21.06CutMeOwnThroatwhat version of Debian is that, btw.
02:21.54CutMeOwnThroatI guess that doesn't only influence gedit, but you get the same error when you start another xterm from in there?
02:22.53CutMeOwnThroatwell, I just installed gnome-terminal and when I start screen within that I can open another xterm as well as an xemacs window
02:22.56CutMeOwnThroatwith no problems
02:23.27kimiu have php mailer
02:23.43CutMeOwnThroatand if I install gedit, I can start that
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02:25.11CutMeOwnThroatthere's nothing magical about screen or gnome-termial that I know of...
02:25.25rgrscreen in xterm works fine.
02:25.43abrotmankimi: what?
02:25.45rgrI wonder if its the way xmonad launched it. I need to try some other routes. brb.
02:27.06kimiu have php mailer
02:27.16CutMeOwnThroat!irritate kimi
02:27.17dpkgkimi: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!!
02:27.25rgrproblem solved I think. I killed all screen references and then restarted the gnome terminal and it works. Possibly a hiccup caused by running the same screen session over several x restarts.
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02:29.46CutMeOwnThroatthe "no protocol specified" together with an unset-looking DISPLAY was strange, though
02:29.51abrotmankimi: you're going to have to speak english if you're looking for help here
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02:30.45CutMeOwnThroat"have" was English
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02:33.13adbbenjamindees, i saw that debirf has a module named "xkiosk" that do what you want ..
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02:35.43Gratz474what de's do you guys use?
02:35.50Gratz474i just hada bad experience with kde
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02:36.47KarlitasStill searching for help . I installed transmission (bittorrent client) and trying to run it. If I type "transmissioncli" in terminal nothing happens. It does not start. How can I make it start so I can use it? :)
02:36.48CutMeOwnThroatnone?
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02:38.08\amethystyes, but does 'ignoring' mean you want to remove them before printing, or just that you want to ignore them when searching?
02:38.11\amethystdoh
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02:39.17CutMeOwnThroatstart the daemon before you start the client?
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02:40.15CutMeOwnThroator possibly give it commands? it's a command line client... who knows what's supposed to happen when you start it
02:40.19nas2hi guys
02:40.23CutMeOwnThroatthere's transmission-gtk and transmission-qt, too, though
02:40.26nas2i get this log from my syslog
02:40.27nas2kernel: device eth0 left promiscuous mode
02:40.36nas2any idea how to get rid of this?
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02:41.02moqqnobody would happen to know of a command that will tell me which package gives access to such-and-such command
02:41.10moqqdo they?
02:41.31Kvantmoqq, apt-file would work: apt-file search bin/command
02:41.49rgrok, I minimised my screen set and then logged out and logged back in and reattached to the screen suite and *then* no x app will work from the screen shells. No protocol.
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02:42.25KarlitasUhm i dont get it CutMeOwnThroat, all I want is to make it popup =) I want to see it infront of me like in window. Is that possible and how? :P
02:42.30moqqKvant: awesome, thanks
02:43.06\amethystKarlitas:  what happens when you run   transmission   rather than   transmissioncli
02:43.09\amethyst?
02:43.24KarlitasSoley typing transmission = cant find it
02:43.41rgrtype transmiss<tab>
02:43.43\amethystKarlitas:  install the   transmission-gtk   package, though you should already have it
02:43.44CutMeOwnThroatKarlitas, use the graphical clients from transmission-gtk or transmission-qt package?
02:43.49rgrand see what variations wou have installed
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02:44.03KarlitasIll try that
02:44.05KarlitasTHank you both
02:45.10rgrCutMeOwnThroat: did you see my comment above about logging out and then back in and reconnecting to a screen session? It's then that x apps wont start from a screen terminal. Can I reinit X in the term env? Normal desktop x apps work fine.
02:45.35nas2kernel: device eth0 left promiscuous mode.... any idea?
02:45.38CutMeOwnThroatI did
02:45.55CutMeOwnThroathm, no I didn't
02:45.57CutMeOwnThroatactually
02:46.46CutMeOwnThroatanyway I already uninstalled all that gnome stuff
02:47.04rgrI did too. I'm back to urxvt. Same issue.
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02:48.41benjamindeesnas2, is that just on boot up or at random times?
02:49.26nas2at random times
02:49.38nas2it just happen suddenly
02:49.41nas2after i reboot
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02:51.42CutMeOwnThroatoh, actually I havent... it's still asking me if I want to
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02:52.47ZitZkeyring keeps prompting me for a password when I log on, in order to connect to my network, any idea how i stop it?
02:52.55nas2benjamindees, it is at random times. it enters and leaves promiscuous mode
02:52.59nas2Sep 15 10:45:50 vpssvr1 kernel: device eth0 left promiscuous mode
02:53.01nas2Sep 15 10:45:50 vpssvr1 kernel: audit(1252982750.922:2439): dev=eth0 prom=0 old_prom=256 auid=4294967295
02:53.03nas2Sep 15 10:45:50 vpssvr1 kernel: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode
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02:53.26ZitZtell eth0 to stop dressing like a tramp!
02:53.48CutMeOwnThroatnas2, nmap/sniffit etc. etc. do it
02:53.53Tramphow do you know, how I dress?
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02:54.06CutMeOwnThroatyou know what promiscuous mode id
02:54.14CutMeOwnThroatTramp, we seen pictures
02:54.16ZitZlol
02:54.19Trampoh.
02:54.23benjamindeesis your concern that you'd like to get rid of the messages or that you don't know what's causing them?
02:54.31ZitZsorry, i didn't know you were here tramp
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02:54.52nas2benjamindees, my concern is both
02:54.56CutMeOwnThroatTramp, http://images.google.com/images?q=tramp
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02:55.34CutMeOwnThroatI sense a small mismatch between pictures 1,2 and 3
02:56.05ZitZyeah, one of these is not like the others
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02:56.30TrampInteresting. Didn't know that was called a "Tramp Stamp" in English
02:56.43benjamindeesnas2, you don't know of any networking apps you're running that might enter promiscuous mode? (dhclient might)
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02:57.18maxagazthere is something very unconvenient in gnu screen, it's not possible to use the mouse wheel to go up
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02:57.48ZitZmaxagaz, only up doesn't work?
02:57.49CutMeOwnThroatrgr, I have no problem attaching/detaching and starting x applications
02:58.26xLucasmy debian stop in menssage "Setting console screen modes and fonts" in bootloader
02:58.28maxagazZitZ, I mean to go up/down in the terminal like in standard bash
02:58.52abrotmanmaxagaz: you can try copy mode .. and another i can't recall
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02:59.31nas2benjamindees: it is not running anything except to host my vserver
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03:04.19ZitZwhat just happened?
03:04.20xLucasmy debian stop in menssage "Setting console screen modes and fonts" in bootloader help pls !??!
03:04.20abrotmanZitZ: netsplit
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03:05.51rgrCutMeOwnThroat: did you try detaching from screen, logging out, logging and then reattching as I did?
03:06.07rgrs/and/in and/
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03:06.23CutMeOwnThroatwhat's this "logging out" business
03:06.28CutMeOwnThroatI NEVER do that
03:06.34rgrok ....
03:06.46CutMeOwnThroatexcept whenever the damn X server crashes
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03:06.53rgrI do and its why I want to keep a screen session active.
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03:07.06rgrand that reason of course!
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03:07.33CutMeOwnThroatwell, your magic cookie in .Xauthority would change then
03:08.02CutMeOwnThroatwhy would you want to start those X programs from within screen, anyway?
03:08.13xLucasmy debian stop in menssage "Setting console screen modes and fonts" in bootloader help pls !??!
03:08.15CutMeOwnThroatthey'll not be recoverd by screen when you're logged out... :)
03:08.16rgrbecause I use screen to run my terminal
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03:08.20xLucasdebian 5.0
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03:09.05rgrand because I use xmonad I want all my "term type stuff" in one screen session and I can toggle the screens session on and off (visible).
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03:09.41dsdeizhello fellow xmonad user
03:09.51rgrsure I can still use dmenu i xmonad to run gedit and stuff but I like to run from command line too.
03:10.06rgrdsdeiz: hi!
03:10.36dsdeizcan i take a look at your xmonad.hs? :D
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03:11.30rgrsure. check out the new scratchpad launch. I'll add my .screenrc in a minute :-
03:11.37CutMeOwnThroathm, perhaps run something like  "strace -f -F -e open gedit" and compare fail with success
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03:12.16CutMeOwnThroatonly thing I can think of is that .Xauthority would be somehow buffered
03:12.28rgrgah. need a gtm emacs session hanong
03:12.29CutMeOwnThroatbut... afaik that doesn't happen
03:12.31rgrhangon
03:12.57rgrhttp://richardriley.net/projects/xmonad/index.html
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03:13.03rgrdsdeiz: ^
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03:14.33CutMeOwnThroatdoh, you can start xmonad while fvwm2 is already running
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03:14.56CutMeOwnThroatcreates a lot of chaos, though
03:15.04CutMeOwnThroatand a load of errors
03:15.14xLucasmy debian 5.0 stop in menssage "Setting console screen modes and fonts" in bootloader help pls !??!
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03:15.39dsdeizyes! fellow xmobar user too! :D
03:15.58rgrdsdeiz: just added the screenrc file too.
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03:16.30rgrCutMeOwnThroat: yes, I can see how having two window managers would confuse things :-)+
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03:17.00TTimohello. I've been using make-kpkg with the --initrd option to make my kernels, but I'm not longer seeing them installed with an initrd (and they don't boot anymore) .. anyone know what's going on ? (sid amd64)
03:17.23rgrCutMeOwnThroat: but if you have any idea how to propagate this "magic cookie" xauthority back that would be great.
03:17.30CutMeOwnThroatrgr, well, I didn't seriously think it'd run!
03:17.37rgr:-;
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03:17.47CutMeOwnThroatrgr, there should really be no problem with the magic cookie...
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03:17.58CutMeOwnThroatit's stored in $HOME/.Xauthority
03:18.19CutMeOwnThroatwritten in there by the X server when you log in graphically and read out when you start an X app
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03:18.51CutMeOwnThroatyou can see your weed cookies with "xauth list"
03:19.19CutMeOwnThroatthere's normally a bunch of them, because they don't get erased properly all the time and tend to... accumulate
03:19.38rgroh well it cant be that then can it since its new when I restart x, and so any x app I start should read the new value?
03:19.51CutMeOwnThroatyeah
03:20.26CutMeOwnThroatbut you normally get that "protocol..." part of the error when the X server is giving you a permission denied
03:20.55khufuWhat's the diff here
03:20.58CutMeOwnThroatbut the same error SHOULD also write a ":0.0" after "display:"
03:21.02khufuApt-get and Aptitude
03:21.18CutMeOwnThroat!why aptitude
03:21.18dpkgaptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info.  Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
03:21.19khufuaptitude update doesn't work ;)
03:21.31khufuHm
03:21.45khufuOh I see now
03:21.49CutMeOwnThroatkhufu, your mirror is probably just updating right now... try again some time later
03:21.54khufuI wrote uptade  ;(
03:21.55HideoTTimo: read line paragraph around line 61 of /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz
03:22.00khufuscrewed by a typo cutmeownthroat
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03:22.32CutMeOwnThroator that
03:23.19rgrdso I guess the question is, what do terms normally do to set up their .Xauthority environment that I need to retrigger for all open terminals when I start X again (if I really want to get this to work which I'm not sure I do) ....
03:23.25TTimoHideo: hu wow .. ok .. what should I make up in that script ?
03:23.43TTimooh nm
03:24.03HideoTTimo: that's what I thought =P
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03:25.54User646hey if any of you are bored check out Facebook zombies game :D http://apps.facebook.com/zombies/links.php?r=719927515&nref=st
03:26.13Hideoban ban ban ^
03:28.10simonrvnspam spam spam
03:28.57simonrvnfirst time i've seen facebook crap in here, used that way....
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03:31.52rgrI spit on facebook users when they tell me "the photos are on facebook" ....
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03:34.23simonrvnrgr: indeed... i have an effing fb account, but i don't always want to go there....
03:35.21Hideoheh, I'm possible the only college student at my school w/o a facebook/myspace account
03:35.33Hideos/possible/possibly/
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03:38.12xeon-enouffacecrappin'tweetpoop? in debian? o m goodness
03:39.18xeon-enoufdo like sigmund and snort a few more ...
03:39.57rgrsimonrvn: yeah, I used to "do it". But realised it was actually controlling peoples lives. No shit. They wouldn't take a dump without updating their facebook status. So I had my account removed.
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03:40.25rgrWell, I own a bar so its pretty hard not to have on, but I stay firm!
03:41.00xeon-enoufdrops boas often
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03:41.16simonrvngood for you.. i have too many of my friends that use it, almost to the point of using "fb messages" instead of regular email...
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03:41.42Nonpythonwould someone be willing to help me set a a DNS server? :)
03:41.58xeon-enoufno
03:42.07Nonpythonis there a decent guide?
03:42.12xeon-enouf:-P
03:42.17xeon-enoufno
03:42.29jamonNonpython: xeon-enouf http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/
03:42.36Nonpython(I no longer have a head, just a bloody spot on my desk)
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03:43.33xeon-enoufNonpython: my head is so dense, i have no more desk :-)
03:43.53rgrthis is worse then I thought. After logging back in I cant connect to emacs-daemon either because of display issues.
03:44.26Linux-IRCrgr: hello, which irc client are you using now?
03:44.31rgrerc in emacs
03:44.34xeon-enoufjamon: thanks
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03:44.48endrahey
03:44.57Linux-IRCrgr: so there is option for irc in emacs!
03:45.02endrahow can I fully test a secondary sata hdd while in debian?
03:45.12xeon-enoufwgar?
03:45.17xeon-enoufwhat?
03:45.32rgrinterestingly looking at it in emacsclient -nw in urxvt under a permanent screen session and as an X emacsclient connected to the daemon at the same time. really nice.
03:45.33simonrvnrgr: blah :(. that's why i run my emacs daemon in screen. easier to say quit it and save shit
03:45.33CodeNinjacompiz upgrade ftl :(
03:45.49rgrsimonrvn: ?
03:45.56simonrvnrgr: multi-tty r0x0rs my s0x0rs
03:46.05Linux-IRCrgr: how to use emacs as irc client? how ERC ?
03:46.18rgryes it does. But doesnt matter where daemon runs.
03:46.26rgrgoogle emacs wiki erc
03:46.30simonrvnscreen -t emacs emacs -nw --eval "(setq server-name \"sservername\")" -f server-start
03:46.38rgrbah
03:46.45simonrvnhehe
03:46.55simonrvni have a screenrc for it =)
03:47.05rgremacsclient --alternate-editor="" -c $@
03:47.16Linux-IRCrgr: do you know lisp,elisp?
03:47.19xeon-enoufsimonrvn: zeros are unbecoming for you ;-)
03:47.29rgrso first launch of "editor" starts server if not running.
03:47.34simonrvnrgr: TMTOWTDI ;)
03:47.36rgreasily best start up line.
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03:47.50Linux-IRCrgr: ?
03:48.03simonrvnand my lighttpd 1.5 is working nicely
03:48.06rgrLinux-IRC: no. not really. Ask in #emacs.
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03:48.20neuro_damagehow can I tell what driver is loading for my network card?
03:48.39simonrvnlspci -k for squeeze+
03:48.44rgrso simonrvn my screenrc line is merely :
03:49.14rgrscreen -t EMACS 3 edit
03:49.21rgrwhere edit is that line above
03:49.33rgr(emacs 23)
03:49.48xeon-enoufneuro_damage: as simonrvn said; or dmesg. or lshal or udevinfo ....
03:49.58jamonpoints to #emacs and notes we're not all raving emacs fanatics :)
03:50.01moqqis there a way, in a bash script, to force the script to die after some specified time, regardless of what its doing? (in C, i'd use SIGALRM)
03:50.19simonrvnrgr: nice
03:50.43xeon-enoufmoqq: try #bash
03:50.51simonrvnnow i can screw around with error pages
03:51.03rgrI'm impressed with screen too. Finally integrated it with xmonad today and almost didnt touch a gtk emacs at all after that.
03:51.07moqqxeon-enouf: sounds good
03:51.35rgrsimonrvn: you might also be mighty happy with this:-
03:51.43simonrvni love screen. best thing since mv cp et al
03:52.08rgrhttp://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MailtoHandler#toc4
03:52.17rgrif you use gnus ...which I hope you do ...
03:52.41rgrwith firefox on debian, mozex and emacs mailto from a url is *instant*. really cool.
03:52.41simonrvni use whatever's at hand... gnus i never grokked
03:53.15simonrvni have it's all text in ff, i use that sometimes, and have it point to emacsclient
03:53.36rgryup, me too but after the initial thrill rarely use it.
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03:54.12simonrvnyeh, same
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03:54.24simonrvni don't use it as much as i used to
03:54.30rgrbut getting back to gnu screen : if you detach, logout and log back in can you launch an x app from a terminal in your screen session? I cant.
03:55.01simonrvnonly if i start the screen session from x
03:55.04rgr(xmonad is really cool with my screne session as I can toggle it with a mod key)
03:55.19simonrvnotherwise i have to export crap from the terminal to each screen window
03:55.33rgryes start from x, open a screeb bash and you can run gedit. now detach, restart x and do same : cant run gedit
03:55.44simonrvn(i start up about 7-9 zsh windows)
03:55.55simonrvnoh really. that's odd
03:56.09rgrcould you try it for me please if you dont mind?
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03:56.22simonrvnwhat debian version?
03:56.24xeon-enoufwait .. what
03:56.26xeon-enouf?
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03:56.32rgrso : start svreen session. open bash. run gedit. works. Now detach the screen session, restart x.
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03:56.50xeon-enoufno no no
03:56.51rgrreattach to SAME session and go to terminal and try gedit. fails. "No protocol".
03:57.17simonrvnusual crap WRT gconf and orbit, but no crashes
03:58.02simonrvn(i've had this screen session for a few days, and logged out of x several times since)
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03:58.25rgrand you can run an x app from a long lasting screen terminal?
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03:59.30simonrvnsure
03:59.50simonrvni've seen that behaviour you describe, but that was a LONG time ago
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04:00.14simonrvn"GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBi...."
04:00.26simonrvnthat's all i saw, and gedit started up fine
04:00.37rgrno. no x apps run for me. Lenny with elements of testing in.
04:00.50rgr(no x apps run fro screen after loggin back in)
04:01.22rgrok 6am here. night all.
04:01.32simonrvnyeh yeh; like i said, i've seen that a LONG time ago. likely in the BTS. it's odd that it would do that. my lenny+bpo box doesn't do it either
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04:01.38simonrvnrgr: g'night
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04:28.04rgrsimonrvn: one last Q:
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04:29.06rgris there a screen parmater similar to "-r" but will create if the reconnect to existing fails? e.g if I have a screen already  open and attached I want use that, nnot to detach and re-recreate again which is all I can find to do.
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04:31.32cydorkbaah too late..
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04:35.14fbc-mxIs there a way to install the "service" app? apt-get install service?
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04:36.19aputtuhow do I send Debian-translations, i.e. files with base64 encoding via email? (I have Thunderbird and Evolution installed)
04:36.48benjamindees1info chkconfig
04:36.52benjamindees1!info chkconfig
04:37.28dpkgchkconfig: (system tool to enable or disable system services), section admin, is optional. Version: 11.0-79.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 68 kB
04:39.07fbc-mxbenjamindees,  it's the one where ou type "service bind9 stop" instead on having to type "/etc/init.d/bind9 stop"
04:39.24fbc-mxbenjamindees, that it?? chkconfig?
04:40.16benjamindeesafaik
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05:02.33anddamruncontrol S is for startup?
05:02.44anddamis runcontrol*
05:02.56simonrvnsingle user
05:03.14simonrvnworks out to about the same...
05:04.38anddamI thought rc1 was single user
05:04.58anddamsimonrvn: I'd like to "simulate" a reboot without actually rebooting the hw
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05:05.11anddamnamely I edited /etc/hostname
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05:07.09anddamI didn't remember which one was run at start, now I'm reading telinit man page
05:07.24anddamhow's ppc channel called?
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05:07.36Sertsehi
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05:09.51anddamsimonrvn: telinit S doesn't seem to do anything
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05:12.47simonrvnanddam: (tel)init 1 does
05:13.22simonrvnanddam: "what's the ppc channel called?" -> #debianppc
05:13.29anddamsimonrvn: yea, I expected somehow that telinit S would have redo the startup phase and then again into default runlevel thus reassigning hostname from /etc/hostname
05:13.34anddamsimonrvn: this didn't happen
05:13.47simonrvnum, there's a simpler way to do that...
05:14.14simonrvn!hostname
05:14.15dpkgUse "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN.  See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname.  http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname
05:14.39anddamsimonrvn: ah nice :-) the dash was preventing me from enjoying my general purpose arch
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05:16.04anddamsimonrvn: I knew about hostname, I'm just playing a bit, I mean when the system boot there's a moment when hostname is read and the hostname set
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05:16.25anddamI meant I knew about hostname(1)
05:17.03simonrvnyes. usually from both that ^^, and sysctl.conf (if it's set there)
05:17.48anddamsimonrvn: and I thought that best place to set a running system's hostname was in boot phase, so I tried to re-run it by hand
05:18.27simonrvnyeh, so other stuff picks it up, but you can also set it at other times
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05:21.51anddamso to change my question: can I make the system act like it was rebooting without actually going through a real reboot, i.e. from the bootloader?
05:22.59benjamindees!kexec
05:23.12simonrvnyou'd have to run /etc/init.drcS but i don't recommend doing that...
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05:23.29benjamindees!info kexec
05:24.08simonrvner /etc/init.d/rcS
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05:24.32benjamindees!info kexec-tools
05:24.35dpkgkexec-tools: (kexec tool for kexec reboots), section admin, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 272 kB
05:25.27benjamindeeskexec will reboot from the kernel (not the bootloader) without doing a hw reboot
05:25.54anddamsimonrvn: the poin is I run telinit 1 then telinit S but previous hostname remained
05:26.13anddambenjamindees: I'll have a look
05:26.22benjamindeesman hostname
05:26.22simonrvnset it first (/etc/hostname)
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05:28.19anddamI did and in fact after an actual reboot the system has new hostname
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05:31.57anddamI need to assign the thid key modifier to command key, in dumpkeys output  I see    keycode 40 = agrave degreee numbersign
05:32.06anddambut I don't have the modifier key to access numbersign
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05:32.22anddamobviously this is not good in order to edit config files, I can't comment anything
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05:37.17nsgnso why when i download and install debian 5.0.3 do i get "debian 4.1.2-25" in /proc/version after install...?
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05:38.35zaccouri'm using ubuntu right now
05:38.54zaccourits very similar to debian
05:39.13anddamnsgn: maybe it's the kernel
05:39.20anddamnsgn: /etc/debian_version
05:39.29anddamyou want to check that
05:39.32nsgnah
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05:39.49nsgnthat does say it. weird, but ok. one other question for now then. how do i enable the unstable repositories in 5.0.3?
05:39.58nsgnor rather just what's the deb line. i know where to put it
05:40.03anddamedit sources.conf
05:40.10anddam!sid
05:40.10dpkg[sid] the <unstable> version of Debian.  It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story.  It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway.  Ask me about <unstable>.  Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in.  It will never be released.  See <sid faq>.
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05:41.17nsgni'm perfectly comfortable with the package i want, google just isn't serving me right for the repository address for 5.0.3 unstable repository. this is my first setup on 5
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05:42.31nsgnannnd i say that and i just find it. nevermind
05:43.16anddamthat's how Big G works
05:44.05nsgnand now i find that they updated the repository to a newer version of the package than i want ;( crapola
05:44.34nsgntime to build my own and pray it works
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05:46.18heffayanyone up?
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05:47.48simonrvn5.0.3 is not unstable, it's stable, the current release. sid doesn't get a version number, nor does testing.
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05:48.13nsgnwhere the heck is cgi's location/
05:48.15nsgn*?
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05:48.34simonrvncontext?
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05:49.12nsgnbuilding zoneminder from source. configuration script has variable cgi-dir
05:49.22simonrvnlook in /usr/lib/cgi-bin if you want that stuff...
05:49.23nsgnit just needs to know where to find cgi
05:51.22anddamcan anyone help me with this? http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2002/08/msg00298.html
05:51.51acidtripper"Debian users are common Linux users whose brains had been washed"
05:51.55anddamI'm not able to find a report with that layout in debian.org/Bugs
05:52.29nsgnacidtripper: washed of what? :0
05:52.50simonrvnwindows
05:53.09acidtripperof ideas
05:53.12acidtripperof content
05:53.16acidtripperjajaja
05:53.21acidtripperits a paraphrase
05:53.48simonrvnacidtripper: do you have a debian question?
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05:56.07acidtrippernope
05:56.16acidtripperi use arch
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05:56.55Tux^verdreifeltacidtripper: and you make jokes about debian users? oh come on.
05:56.55Tux^verdreifelt:-)
05:57.15plugdhi all
05:57.22Tux^verdreifelthi
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05:57.32kgoetz!keyexpired
05:57.36plugdhey tux
05:57.37kgoetz:/
05:57.47kgoetzdpkg: key expired
05:57.47dpkgkgoetz: i haven't a clue
05:57.51kgoetzshame.
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05:58.53plugderm I'm sure this is an ultra-common problem, but does anybody know how to prevent (/reverse) "distribution drift"? I've been tracking testing for a few months, but now pretty much evrything is from unstable
05:58.59acidtripperyes
05:59.00plugdand stuff is starting to break
05:59.03acidtripperi make
05:59.18acidtripperbecouse i always used slackware and i like things to be linux
05:59.32acidtripperi can live without apt-get... you can?
05:59.49simonrvn!ops acidtripper trolling
05:59.49dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: acidtripper trolling
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05:59.57plugdacid: I migrated from slackware a couple of years ago, never giving up apt!
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06:00.58acidtripperja
06:01.45benjamindeesplugd: track the release name instead of 'testing' and wait a few months before upgrading after it becomes stable.
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06:02.31Tux^verdreifeltapt > all
06:02.36acidtripperjajaj
06:02.40acidtripperthats what i mean
06:02.43acidtripperlinux is not apt
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06:02.52simonrvnsuggestion: /ignore acidtripper
06:03.15acidtripperlol
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06:03.28acidtripperignorant people ignore
06:03.29acidtripper:D
06:03.34simonrvnacidtripper: uh, duh. and this is the last you'll get from me. go get un-bored elsewhere.
06:03.56simonrvn(i'll ignore the fact that was badly phrased)
06:03.56ajavidacidtripper, there isn't much that can be done about ignorance
06:04.36ajavidacidtripper, however, what you said isn't true.
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06:05.24acidtripperits true, i doesn't have any problem with debian but what is true is that most users if someone take away apt-get they would die
06:05.36ajavidacidtripper, and your point is?
06:05.37plugdbenjamindees: how does that alter things? Isn't "testing" currently synonymous with squeeze right now?
06:05.37acidtripperis difficult for me to speak becouse im spanish native speaker
06:05.47acidtripperlearn linux not apt-get
06:05.53ajavidacidtripper, very true
06:05.53acidtripperthats my point
06:06.06ajavidacidtripper, that is a good point, but its half a point
06:06.14acidtripperwhy half?
06:06.24ajavidacidtripper, don't ignore apt-get. learn linux as you use linux as the basic kernel underneath
06:06.25simonrvnyes it is
06:06.33ajavidacidtripper, linux is merely the kernel
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06:06.38ajavidthat is it. nothing less, nothing more.
06:06.40benjamindeesplugd: yes but if you wanted something more stable you should be tracking Lenny right now and upgrade to testing in a few months
06:06.44ajavidyou learn linux distros
06:07.03ajavidunless you go totally LFS (which after the first initial setup/install is a bitch to maintain)
06:07.05acidtripperwell GNU/Linux
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06:07.15benjamindeesor upgrade to squeeze rather
06:07.20simonrvnplugd: it means that stuff isn't getting bug reports filed, and testing is getting the results of that :P.
06:07.25simonrvnj/k
06:07.29acidtripperyou kow what i mean
06:07.34acidtripperknow
06:07.40ajavidacidtripper, yes I do, but others may misunderstand you
06:07.41simonrvnshit happens, even in testing
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06:08.08ajavidacidtripper, you're in the 'apt' people's channel seemingly saying not to learn apt-get in favor of linux which is wrong
06:08.30acidtripperjaja yes thats true, a bit trolling :P
06:08.38ajavidacidtripper, learn both. when on rpm based distros, know linux + rpm, when on debian based, know linux+apt
06:08.46plugdbenjamindees: probably a good idea to move to stable, but right now I'm just wondering why most of the packages on my system seem to be from _unstable_, not testing! I understand that some unstable packages are necessary to meet dependencies of testing packages, but why so many?
06:08.57ajavidacidtripper, excuse me?
06:09.13ajavidacidtripper, first you have simonrvn ignore you know you're calling me a troll?
06:09.14acidtripperthat telling this in this chan is a bit trolling
06:09.17ajavidplonked.
06:09.17simonrvnplugd: they migrated to testing eventually anyway.
06:09.17plugdsimonrvn: hrm.. point taken ;)
06:09.24simonrvnthey get*
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06:09.52acidtrippertalking of me not of you ajavid:
06:09.56ajavidkeeping it moving right along
06:09.57acidtripperdon't fell ofended
06:10.04plugdsimonrvn: I'm not saying the packages are unstable, they're from the 'unstable' distribution
06:10.20simonrvni know
06:10.29ajavidwait
06:10.39ajavidplugd, what are you saying?
06:11.18plugdajavid: my apt.conf contains the line "APT::Default-Release "testing";
06:11.38benjamindeesplugd: the difference between unstable and testing is two weeks, so in times of heavy development more packages will be the same in both.
06:11.42plugdajavid: but an apt-get dist-upgrade results in replacing almost every package with one from 'unstable' _not_ testing
06:11.48ajavidyou can do that with apt/preferences using pinning, same thing.
06:12.04ajavidplugd, why do you want unstable>
06:12.10simonrvnand there's been such a time lately ;)
06:12.11plugdajavid: I don't! :)
06:12.19plugdajavid: I want testing!
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06:12.25ajavidok
06:12.28ajavidso pin it
06:12.29plugdsighs
06:12.30ajavid!pinning
06:12.30dpkgPinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list.  man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning  Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata  If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
06:12.35ajavidtake that optio out of apt.conf
06:12.38ajavidits not needed there
06:12.56plugdajavid: but doesn't that accomplish the same thing as pinning?
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06:13.04ajaviduse /etc/apt/preferences and pin release squeeze priority ...
06:13.18ajavidplugd, ok, then make it work however you were originally. Why are you asking here?
06:13.19simonrvnso start filing bug reports ;p. i do. JoshTriplett is pretty kickass lately
06:14.08plugdajavid: all I'
06:14.10plugdwoops
06:14.35benjamindeesnow that stable releases are frozen for longer I would expect testing to become more unstable after a stable release.
06:14.54plugdajavid: all I'm asking is this: how do I tell apt to track 'testing' in such a way that I don't wind up with 'unstable' instead? That's what's happened.
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06:15.22plugdsimonrvn: I'm not complaining about the quality of packages in either testing or unstable
06:15.27ajavidplugd, then it means you don't know enough and you should listen to the experts giving advice
06:15.37ajavidplugd, and why would you worry about this in the first place?
06:15.48benjamindeesplugd: pastebin your sources.list
06:15.52plugdajavid: I'm listening!
06:15.55ajavidif you have testing only sources, why would you worry about pinning?
06:16.01plugdgoodness!
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06:16.19plugdajavid: just in case I want to fetch something that's not in testing yet - the usual reason
06:16.32ajaviddon't do that.
06:16.41plugdthat's easy to say
06:16.44ajavidif you are going to do that, then use pinning. like I said.
06:17.09ajavidread man apt_preferences or the link dpkg provided in here
06:17.29ajavidunderstand the priority levels, pin release testing with priority 1000 or something
06:17.42ajavidI think...  I forget exactly which.
06:17.45ajavidgo read.
06:17.46plugdajavid: I've read the man pages, the howto, etc
06:17.51ajavidreally?
06:17.56plugdajavid: really
06:18.05ajavidlink me to them the howtows
06:18.23ajavidi have already access to the man pages, and which ones did you read and what was unclear, if anything?
06:18.28plugdhere's my apt.conf: APT::Default-Release "testing";
06:19.30plugdthis is essentially setting pinning priorities appropriate to tracking testing, as far as I understand it
06:19.31ajavidseriously
06:19.36ajavidyou need to read the documentation
06:19.40ajavidI'm not kidding.
06:19.43plugdokay
06:19.48ajavidand let me link to you it
06:19.51ajavidhttp://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
06:19.59ajavid3.8 How to keep a mixed system
06:20.03plugddude it's sitting on my hd
06:20.05ajavidread again, very carefully
06:20.13plugdin fact I have it open in a browser window as well
06:20.23ajavidplugd, what you wish to do is accomplished via pinning
06:20.32plugdokay
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06:20.40plugdI'll have another read
06:21.11plugdstill mystified re the point of the default release option though
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06:21.35plugdajavid: thanks btw
06:21.41smharwhat is the ssh command to achieve tunneling between my computer and a host computer inorder to be able to browse the internet using the remote computer's ports
06:21.52ajavidplugd, it is not that obvious, I agree
06:22.02plugdajavid: really wasn't meaning to sound at all hostile!
06:22.04ajavidplugd, however 3.9 and 3.10 will shed more light on this i hope
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06:22.09ajavidplugd, you weren't
06:22.26plugdgood :)
06:23.11anddamdoes anyone know how can I blank screen when in console?
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06:25.10dsdeizanddam: clear?
06:25.31anddamblank as in APM, I wnat to shut down lcd backlight
06:25.35anddamwant
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06:26.44ajavidplugd, according to my understanding, pin release=testing, pin priority 1001 will keep you on testing
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06:27.00ajavidplugd, though i recommend you take out anything other than testing repositories from the sources.list
06:27.18ajavidplugd, when you DO need something from sid, only then uncomment the sid repo, install, and then disable again
06:27.20plugdajavid: okay, thanks
06:27.27ajavidplugd, (Thats what I do)
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06:27.47ajavidnever on stable though, only testing/sid (they are close enough to not matter that badly)
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06:29.51plugdajavid: btw, I'd more or less followed "3.8 How to keep a mixed system" to the letter, tracking testing, so I'm still confused about the drift to unstable. I know I can set the pin priority of my target distrib >1000 to make sure it is the only thing running - just seemed slightly .. er.. hackish. no matter though.
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06:30.29plugdajavid: thanks heaps though
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06:36.01ajavidplugd, unless otherwise stated, higher package version numbers take priority be default
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06:36.22ajavidplugd, APT::Default-Release "testing"; <- I've never used this option
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06:36.34plugdajavid: don't :)
06:39.30ajavid1) You have a line like this in your apt.conf file:
06:39.30ajavidAPT::Default-Release "testing";
06:40.00ajavidIn this case you have to do one of the following:
06:40.00ajavid1) Explicitely force the version to install (apt-get install
06:40.00ajavid<package>=<version>). This doesn't work very well when there are other
06:40.00ajaviddependencies that should be upgraded (you have to explicitely state new
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06:40.15ajavidwell that sucked ass
06:40.28plugd:)
06:40.40ajavidRemove the APT::Default-Release "testing" line from apt.conf
06:40.56plugdI've done that - was a stupid idea!
06:41.11plugd(of mine, to use that option)
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06:41.46plugdI used to explicitly pin the various releases - this sounded like a good shortcut
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06:42.44promorning guys, anyone know pmacctd or something that i can use to log all the traffic from the devices on my LAN by mac address, pref. into a mysql db ?
06:43.05promorning guys, anyone know pmacctd or something that i can use to log all the traffic from the devices on my LAN by mac address, pref. into a mysql db ?
06:44.11ajavidhttp://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning
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06:45.08proajavid, i take it that was not for me?
06:45.18ajavidno sir
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06:45.39ajavidpro, wireshark or something?
06:45.41prosir? no ways, no one ever calls me sir :p
06:45.52ajavidetherape whatever
06:45.55ajavid!wireshark
06:45.55dpkgWireshark is a cross-platform network protocol analyzer, formerly known as Ethereal.  It allows data to be examined from a live network or from a capture file.  You can interactively browse captured data, view summary and detailed information for each packet.  The ASCII contents of a TCP connection can also be viewed.  Console version packaged as 'tshark'.  http://www.wireshark.org/faq.html  #wireshark on irc.freenode.net.
06:46.17proajavid, mm, i dunno, i have pmacctd working, its just putting 0:0:0:0:0:0 as the src mac
06:46.23ajavidI'm sure they probably have a way to get the data into a db for further studying of trends and stats
06:46.35ajavidI'm not aware of that tool
06:46.52ajavidI'm not a security guy, I started to go to school for it but then lost interest
06:47.09ajavidI graduated in music, and now I'm a software developer :)
06:47.16prook, well it works well, from what im guessing, but there is just so much data
06:47.26proajavid, so you making audio apps for linux?
06:47.34ajavidno
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06:47.51proajavid, why not?
06:48.08ajavidpro, http://www.youtube.com/bungnugget :) I make music! and I record on Debian GNU/Linux sid studio with custom setups
06:48.18procome, dont you want to make a clone of Ableton Live for linux?
06:48.33ajavidno, I'd rather play guitar and help people
06:48.45prowhat guitar you got?
06:48.54ajavidI am currently writing a mod_python based ajax application for music-theory.info
06:48.58ajavid#debian-chat please
06:48.58ajavid!ot
06:48.59dpkgPlease keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.  #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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06:49.11ajavidI'd love to discuss whatever there
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06:49.52ajavidI tried out studio 64... its garbage... nice when it decides to not crash my system
06:50.08proajavid, im in #debian-offtopic
06:50.10ajavidI dunno what it is, but almost EVERY other distro is crashy on my system, brand new hardware
06:50.17ajavidpro, I don't go there
06:50.21prooh
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06:50.56ajavidbut... debian works just fine, any flavor, of the 3.  But yeah, even windows is crashy and wouldn't work right...
06:51.46ajavidactually debian etch fails too. I brought this up then, but it was the fault of the kernel, so proven
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06:52.17ajavidI have a very highly clocked cpu, 90% overclock, from 1866mhz to 3500mhz core 2, amd64 debian
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06:52.34proand you wonder why its crashing?
06:52.37ajavidetch amd64 was too old and not stable enough, as it was the first amd64 official port, but now the amd64 port is awesome
06:52.41ajavidno more crashes
06:52.56ajavidand the 32bit etch would also work fine, just the amd64 won't
06:53.08ajavidbut now, thanks to the progresssion in amd64 port of debian, I do't have this problem anymore
06:53.18proi have a dual 2.4 xeon as a home PC, but i run it slower so that its not so much noise
06:53.21ajavidI can clock up to the highest supprote, even 4.0ghz, and still... works just fine
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06:54.05maxagazhow to grep two different strings in a text file ?
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06:54.14maxagazat the same time
06:54.47ajavidmaxagaz, grep -i blah /blah.txt| grep -i blahblahmore
06:54.49ajavid?
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06:55.29maxagazajavid, grep -r foo or bar *
06:55.31ajavidmaxagaz, man grep for more advanced grepping
06:55.39ajavidsay for example you have a line like this
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06:55.48ajavidword1 word2 word3 word4 word5
06:55.57ajavidand you want to grep 3 and 5
06:56.23ajavidgrep -E -o 'word3|word5'
06:56.24ajavidsomething
06:56.31hacker_kidthe lenny "apache2" metapackage is apache version 2.2 right?
06:56.33ajavidI think...
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06:57.56emgeeHey! Can anyone tell me how to write a named zone that puts *.local at 192.168.56.101?
06:58.03emgeeI can't get my head around the wildcard...
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06:58.57ajavidjudd versions apache2
06:58.58juddajavid: apache2 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch6 etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch10 sid: 2.2.9-10 lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny2 lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny4 sid: 2.2.11-2 sid: 2.2.13-1 squeeze: 2.2.13-1
06:59.11ajavid2.2.x alll over the p lace my man
06:59.11joltcanemgee: well, that is a single IP, so that should have an A record, not a wildcard
06:59.52smharok.. I have firefox using the socket tunneling, that was easy because it has a place where you enter such info. Now Pan does not. Is it possible to run Pan with socket tunneling?
06:59.58emgeejoltcan: ah ok. Now I have:  1D IN A         192.168.56.101
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07:00.11emgeebut that only makes "local" work...
07:00.39joltcanemgee: you should have foobar 1D IN A 192.168.56.101, then foobar.local becomes the hostname
07:00.49joltcanemgee: the question is, what do you really want to do?
07:01.56emgeejoltcan: I've got my dev machine at 192.168.56.101 and run all dev sites in apache on .local, like mysite.local.. I'm tired of editing the hosts file and want named to pass whatever.local to the apach sites for parsing
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07:03.06joltcanemgee: Ah, now I understand!
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07:03.14emgee:)
07:03.20joltcanemgee: * IN CNAME foobar.local.
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07:03.38joltcanemgee: but you hvae to have the foobar A record first since a CNAME should only point to a A record
07:04.04emgeeuhm so I need to edit the zone for each new site? (I make a lot of new sites)
07:04.49projoltcan, a cname can point to a cname, its not right, but it does still work
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07:05.44emgeeWhat I want is to be able to add new sites without editing the named confs. Just add the site file in apache and hit the url!
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07:06.20proemgee, just add a record like this....    *.@      IN      A 1.2.3.4
07:06.38emgeepro: Ah yes! That's what I've been missing. the @!
07:06.43prothen ping blah.thatdomain.tld and you will get a reply
07:06.52emgeethanks a bunch!
07:07.04proyou dont need the @, you can just use   *   IN   A  1.3.4.5
07:07.40emgeeoh but I've tried that already. didn't wokr
07:07.41emgeework'
07:07.50anddamin netstat -l I see this line
07:07.51anddamudp        0      0 192.168.0.224:ntp       *:*                                 2060/ntpd
07:08.12joltcanpro: well, it stupid to learn wrong ways to do it, even if it does work
07:08.13anddambut I'm not able to understand how bind on a specific interface in ntp.conf man page
07:08.13prothen you could use the @ or use   *.domain.tld.  IN   A 4.3.2.1
07:08.28joltcanpro: And I also said "should", not must
07:08.43anddamnamely my ntp.conf (that is debian default) has only "restrict" lines but man page doesn't even cite those
07:08.43projoltcan, yeah i understand
07:09.31debayan!dpkg-deb
07:09.34emgeepro, joltcan: I've got this now: http://pastebin.ca/1566521
07:09.49emgeeping on local works, but not testsite.local
07:09.56debayanHow do I extract from a .deb package with permissions intact?
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07:10.00emgeetestsite.local works when I set it up in the hosts file ofc.
07:10.40debayanLike dpkg-deb -x , but with permissions intact.
07:10.49proanddam, not 100% sure but is there a /etc/default/ntp ? cause you can put opts there, make it -I ethX
07:11.40proemgee, that pastebin gives me a blank page
07:11.43anddampro: there is, thanks
07:12.13proanddam, ntpd --help lists other args you may want too
07:12.36anddampro: I wonder why man page for ntp.conf doesn't mention commands that are actually used...
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07:12.42anddampro: I'll -l to "lo" iface
07:13.20anddampro: still there, listening udp on eth0 IP address
07:13.21prowhy not just use ntpdate ip.of.time.server as an hourly cron then ?
07:13.37emgeepro: oh? Here's another with the named conf stuff too: http://pastebin.com/d3f4e29ee
07:13.58anddampro: idk really, I just installed, had screwed time and installed ntp package. Now I'm trying to expose as little ports as I can by configuring services
07:14.13procause if you not serving the date/time to other PC's and its just for that PC then why waste the resources ?
07:14.15anddamI guess an udp port for ntp isn't that security issue
07:14.30anddampro: well I don't even know how ntp works exactly :-)
07:14.39anddampro: but I see the point, I'm only acting as client
07:14.59anddam!ntpdate
07:14.59dpkga program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about <ntp>. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp.
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07:15.18anddamhow useful dpkg is
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07:17.03proemgee, did you change the serial?
07:17.06anddampro: ah there's ntp-doc
07:17.11emgeepro: what serial?
07:17.37prothe one in local.zone that says 42 ;
07:17.51emgeeoooh yees that crap too. ;) sorry, forgot all 'bout that
07:17.56procause every time you make a change you should make increment that serial
07:18.17proalso if this is just a lan and you tend to make changes a lot set the ttl very low
07:18.49emgeewell I won't change the named stuff at all when it's wowking
07:18.55prook
07:18.55emgeeworking*.. that's the point really
07:19.08emgeeall the rest will be handled by apache
07:19.14prook
07:19.19emgeeI upped the serial but no ping on testsite.local
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07:21.00prodid you restart the dns?
07:21.05prorndc reload
07:21.15proalso test with dig, not ping
07:21.36emgeeok
07:22.01protry dig testsite.local @ ip.of.dns.server
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07:23.19emgeepro: I get rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused
07:23.36emgeeon rndc reload that is
07:23.54proemgee, then /etc/init.d/bind9 restart
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07:26.01steve_jhi folks
07:26.25Supaplexahhh! run! it's steve!
07:26.34Supaplexoh. hi steve. :)
07:26.54steve_jam just setting up a lenny box for staging some (django) code, and am wondering where the best place to set my PYTHONPATH or extend PATH would be? root's .bash_profile/.bashrc ?
07:27.07steve_jheh hi Supaplex
07:27.28Supaplexperhaps /etc/profile
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07:27.48steve_jcool, will have a rummage . /root/foo felt/feels bad
07:28.27anddamwhat's the system way to disable ntp in a runlevel?
07:28.35SupaplexI still only have a limited understanding of how login shells vs non login shells work, and how profile is used.
07:28.57anddamI mean other than changin links in rcN.d by hand
07:29.07Supaplex!update-rc.d
07:29.07dpkgupdate-rc.d is probably used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services.  Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process.  This is NOT a tool users should invoke directly (see man page); ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf> or <bum> instead.
07:29.15proanddam, update-rc.d
07:29.17anddamthx
07:29.32Supaplexthe factoid suggests otherwise
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07:31.01emgeepro: I'll be back, need to reboot
07:31.08AndorinWhy doesn't Debian ship with gdebi by default?
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07:31.45AndorinActually, maybe it does. I just have a weird installation.
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07:32.01SupaplexI think the bot knows this one
07:32.03Supaplex!install it
07:32.03dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already.  If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it.  Also ask me about <search>.  If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
07:32.23l403guys, what is now used instead of update-modules? my ndiswrapper is missing
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07:32.46AndorinYeah, nvm.
07:33.00zarelimanhow can I configure the default soundcard for alsa ?
07:33.13anddamI see ntpdate is in if-up, how can I be sure eth0 is brought up with ifup at boot?
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07:34.32zarelimanI believe I don't have sound because alsa is using the radeon hdmi output instead of my sblive 24bit (which I use)
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07:36.39proanddam man interfaces
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07:37.12anddampro: I've configured eth0 with a static entry, what I don't know is if at boot interfaces are brought up calling ifup
07:37.44steve_janyone here running django on lenny?
07:38.36Supaplexprefix that with a !anyone ... to find out.
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07:42.08Tiffonnas
07:42.16Supaplexty
07:42.16anddambye
07:42.18anddamthanks
07:42.32bjoernbi have debian testing with 2.6.30 kernel running on an thinkpad x200s. sound is not working and so are the special volume keys.
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07:43.51zarelimanI cant get my sound working either, under sid
07:44.33Supaplexwhat'd you say? I can't hear you. ;) hehehee.
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07:46.51zarelimanhow to config alsa if i have no alsaconf command ?
07:47.13zarelimanI read that sid and squeeze didnt have that command yet
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07:48.04bjoernbzareliman: where did you read this?
07:48.43bjoernbzareliman: what command do you talk about?
07:48.55zarelimanhttp://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39116
07:48.57zarelimanalsaconf
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07:49.28zarelimanI had my sound working under the last install but I made a new minimal install to fix some issues
07:49.46zarelimanand I fixed them but cant get my sound working again
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07:50.21zarelimanI believe alsa is trying to use the hdmi output from my ati radeon
07:50.32zarelimaninstead of the sblive card (wich i use)
07:51.08bjoernbzareliman: i am talking about a notebook without ati radeon card.
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07:52.31zarelimanI cant help since im a newbie
07:52.43zarelimani actually need help XD
07:53.02bjoernbk
07:53.05steve_j!Supaplex
07:53.05dpkgi heard supaplex is a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111s of insanity.  Now it's freeware, and has somewhere around 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team, or see http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/dlinst.html
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07:53.18steve_j!anyone
07:53.18dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'.  Instead, ask your real question.  (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.)  See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
07:53.24zarelimanalsa seems to be unconfigurable
07:53.29steve_jshuts up
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07:55.41dsdeizalsa == oss? correct?
07:55.50dsdeizalsa is like the alternative for oss?
07:55.53dsdeizor the other way around?
07:56.15ajavidwhy don't you look them both up :)
07:58.07prodsdeiz, oss is the old way, think of it like soundblaster 16 drivers on dos, only one program can access the device at a time, now alsa is a bit like DirectX and a few apps can access it at the same time
07:58.43dsdeizpro: what about pulseaudio and esd?
07:58.54dsdeizthey're like sound daemons right?
07:59.19dsdeizso oss and alsa are like drivers which allows the os to communicated with the hardware
07:59.32dsdeizam i correct or am i just talking silly? hehehe
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07:59.43proi dont know pulseaudio, but ESD is like alsa, but its a service that runs on top of OSS and it does the actually sharing of the hardware, but not many things speak to esd
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08:00.10prodsdeiz, correct, oss and alsa are the hardware drivers
08:00.40dsdeizerr, i think i've misunderstood some things. ok, gotta do more reading again..
08:00.43dsdeizpro: thanks btw ;)
08:00.53dsdeizpro: two thumbs up for you
08:01.10prodsdeiz, thanks
08:01.39prodsdeiz, also, oss is on its way out, like some of the newer cards dont work with oss
08:01.50probut also, you can use oss and alsa together
08:02.29proor use alsa and emulate oss for the programs that only speak to oss, that way even with alsa they still work
08:02.51dsdeizis that when i use the command 'aoss' right?
08:03.32proim not sure? i just load a module to do that, although, i havent done that in ages, it just all sets its self and works when i install
08:04.14dsdeizuh-oh. i'm not quite sure what you meant by 'load a module'
08:04.37bjoernbafter reboot and installing smapi modules the sound works on thinkpad x200s using debian testing with 2.6.30 kernel. extra keys do not work good. fyi.
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08:04.37proyour kernel, it needs drivers (modules)
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08:05.05prolike if you type lsmod it will list all the modules your kernel has loaded into it,
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08:06.02promodules are like little chunks of kernel code that you can turn on and off as you need them, they enable your kernel to do other functions and speak to different hardware,
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08:06.32dsdeizpro: well explained. one last thing if you don't mind or you could probably just give me a link to read
08:06.35prothe tools you use are depmod, lsmod, rmmod and insmod
08:06.39dsdeizhow do i 'load a module'?
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08:06.49dsdeizdo i just install like oss?
08:06.56dsdeizthen it's loaded automatically?
08:07.34proif you look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/
08:08.28proyou will see all the modules there, you can type modprobe somename ( where the module is called somename.o / somename.ko ) or insmod somename.ko
08:09.44prooh, `uname -r` is a command that will return the version of your kernel
08:10.21proso if you using a file manager look for something like 2.6.26 or something
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08:10.56dsdeizpro: yeah, i see this 2.6.9-89.0.9.EL
08:10.58proto check you can type uname -a and it will show your current kernel
08:11.02prook
08:11.15dsdeizthen there are folders in that directory
08:11.19dsdeizthat you've asked me to go to
08:11.22prook, look in there then
08:11.30dsdeize.g. drivers, lib, fs, etc
08:11.37proyeah, those folders are full of drivers/modules
08:11.49proyip
08:11.55probrb
08:12.05dsdeizok, thanks
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08:12.50Zagoris there a way to tell apt-get to override/ignore the Conflicts: header. specifically I want to install nullmailer without uninstalling sendmail. (I want to use nullmailer in a chroot)
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08:14.37danielitohi there. how do I create a cronjob that  runs all 5 minutes in the space of 3 hours every saturday?
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08:14.50Zagor(or suggestion for another mail relayer that doesn't conflict with sendmail)
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08:15.09Yucatanhello guys i'm looking for a script that can show my iptables logfile in a nice database
08:15.15Yucatanin a nice webpage
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08:16.16Zagordaniel_s: */5 0-3  * sat *
08:16.27Zagoruh, that was for danielito
08:16.50danielitoah, nice. and I thought it's not possible
08:16.53danielitogreat, thx a lot zagor
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08:17.04Yucatandoes BASE "Basic Analysis and Security Engine " show the logs of iptables on the web interface?
08:17.06danielitoZagor: that would be from 0am to 3am, right?
08:17.18Zagordanielito: yes, adjust to the hours you want
08:20.12Yucatansomebody?
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08:23.38proYucatan, no idea, try it and see what it does?
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08:27.43proYucatan, what are you actually trying to do?
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08:27.59proYucatan, are you looking for a web interface for iptables?
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08:28.49Yucatanyeah pro
08:28.51Yucatanthats richt
08:28.59Yucatani dont wane control iptables
08:29.02Yucatani only wanne see teh logs
08:29.23proiptables doesnt make any logs?
08:29.37Yucatanu can turn logging on
08:29.38prounless you tell it to, then it just logs to syslog, or ulog
08:29.45Yucatanyeah thats richt
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08:29.52Yucatani tryed ulog
08:29.59Yucatani wanted to use ulog to log to mysql
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08:30.05Yucatanbut i cant get it working:(
08:30.30Yucatani heard alot good things about ulog
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08:31.54proYucatan, well if you get it logging to mysql then its easy to write a php page to view them, if you cant get it working then maybe you can write a script that takes the syslog, finds all the iptables stuff, makes if fancy and outputs it to html
08:32.17proYucatan, ccze could help
08:32.31proapt-cache show ccze
08:32.50Yucatani already got a nice php website
08:32.55Yucatanthat can show the info
08:33.05Yucatanand i got a mysql database with tables etc
08:33.17Yucatanso the only thing i need to get working is the ulog part
08:33.35prook, and what error are you getting?
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08:33.47Yucatannon thats the problem
08:34.19Yucatani get a error ow
08:34.22Yucatani'll show u
08:34.35Yucatanhttp://nopaste.com/p/asjidxXcr
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08:35.16proso cd /usr/log/
08:35.26prothen mkdir ulogd
08:35.34proand then try it again
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08:37.04Yucatanokee
08:37.13Yucatanthe error cant open logfile is gone
08:37.41prook
08:37.46Yucatanthis is standing in the log file richt now
08:37.48Yucatanright now
08:37.56Yucatanhttp://nopaste.com/p/aOofcTqUnb
08:38.17prook, then your tables are missing?
08:38.36proor the access permissions to the mysql are wrong?
08:38.37Yucatanyeah i see
08:38.43Yucatanno thats right i'm sure
08:38.45Yucatanbut i see
08:38.46Yucatanin the config
08:38.47Yucatanof ulogd
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08:38.51Yucatani need to enter a Table
08:38.56Yucatanbut i have 2 tables......
08:39.03Yucatanwhich one i have to take
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08:39.21prowhat you can do is turn on mysql logging in the my.cnf file and run it, and see what its trying to do
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08:39.30simonrvnum, it's /var not /usr
08:39.47Yucatanyeah i know
08:40.11proo, sorry :p
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08:40.23Yucatanbut in the config of ulogd
08:40.38Yucatani need a username a password and a database and a table
08:40.48Yucatanbut i have 2 tables.... which one i have to take
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08:41.18proYucatan, thats why i suggest turning on mysql logging and watching what its trying to do
08:41.50Yucatanokee
08:41.55Yucatanif u say thats better
08:41.58Yucatanthen i'll try
08:42.15proin /etc/mysql/my.cnf find the line that says something like #log   = /var/log/mysql/mysql.log
08:42.26protake the # away and restart mysql server
08:42.40prothen tail -f /var/log/mysql/mysql.log
08:42.44simonrvnthen turn that back off because it slows the thing down a lot
08:42.47proand then start ulog again
08:42.56simonrvner, once you're done with this debugging
08:43.07proyeah, what simonrvn says, dont forget to turn it off again when you done
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08:44.53Yucatanhttp://nopaste.com/p/agSlvL6np
08:45.03Yucatanthis is what i found in de mysql logfile
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08:45.53Yucatani have a database named ulog
08:45.56Yucatanbut no tables in it
08:47.27promaybe try reading a tutorial on ulog, or look in /usr/share/doc/ulog
08:47.46proi have never used ulog so cant say for sure
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08:51.29Yucatanhmm
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08:54.21Yucatanpro another question does BASE Basic Analysis and Security Engine can see teh iptables logs?
08:54.43proYucatan, i have no idea, i never used BASE
08:55.44Yucatanokee
08:56.56Yucatani just dont understand do u dont need to configure what information should be placed in what field in mysql that kind a things
08:56.59Yucatanits kind of vage for me
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08:57.43xeon-enoufare you a peninsula?
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08:58.22Yucatan...?
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08:58.28proYucatan, i dont know either, thats why i say you should go read a tutorial or something, maybe you missed a step in the one you did read
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09:00.46xeon-enoufmaybe peninsula's can
09:00.50xeon-enoufmaybe peninsula's can't read
09:01.02xeon-enoufs/'// even
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09:01.50propeninsula is a geographic formation, not a actual location
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09:02.27simonrvngeological perhaps? ;)
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09:02.36gypsymaurohi
09:02.41simonrvnhrm, geopgraphical would work too
09:02.42prosimonrvn, yeah, that thing
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09:02.55simonrvngeogr*
09:03.23proim half asleep and dyslexic, and some what iliterate so sorry
09:04.10simonrvnhey no worries, i'm just trying to help :)
09:04.27proim from africa, so my edukashin are not so goodst
09:04.29xeon-enoufsimonrvn: geographical location / geological formation ; neither can read ;-)
09:05.05simonrvni just have high school as formal ed., plus a bit of extra
09:05.13simonrvn(read a lot though)
09:05.14prowait, i lie, the education here is good, it just cause i was smoking weed and riding motorcross bikes or skateboarding thats why i didnt get such a good education
09:05.38dsdeizraggle is not in the repo now?
09:05.46xeon-enoufyou sure it wasn't all the monster truck rallies?
09:06.11proxeon-enouf, there are no monster truck rallies here
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09:09.35simonrvnwouldn't have any idea
09:10.06proanyone done the LPI Cert?
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09:10.52simonrvndon't see a point to getting a piece of paper for shit i already know
09:11.08castwe talking about certification?
09:11.23simonrvnyes, lpi
09:11.26proand is it worth anything in the real world? cause i have 2nd level, i only did it cause Mark Shuttleworth said he would pay for it if i write it, and then i forgot and never studied and stuff,
09:11.40xeon-enoufwhoa ..  ^PageUp/Down cycles through tabs in mrxvt apparently - heh - i love accidentally finding keybindings
09:12.22Yucatandoes soembody know how i can let iptables log to ulog?
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09:12.42simonrvn-j ULOG, dude. man iptables
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09:12.56castplans to do the RHCE an SCSA exams
09:12.59Yucatanhaha thx
09:16.32castpresumably they mean GNU/Linux when talking about this LPI stuff 0_o
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09:17.19proyeah, i did the debian ones (dpkg/apt)
09:17.42proi also passed the stuff on LDAP and have never used it
09:18.14prothats one of the reasons i worry about what value they worth in the real world
09:19.02casti think its only of value in getting you a job in big organisations
09:19.17simonrvni use ldap here. taught myself + help from #ldap early on. still run it.
09:19.26xeon-enoufjust stamp "Board Certified" on your forehead
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09:20.19casti stopped using windows 7 or so years ago, used purely gnu/linux||openbsd since [uni workstations aside], turned up to work and they thought i was a *nix newb.
09:20.40casttook a few weeks for them to cotton on, the only part of my CV they looked at was my degree, :|
09:20.46ribasushicast: you stopped using "windows 7" years ago?
09:20.52ribasushihow come - it's not out yet... :)
09:21.04proribasushi, i also saw it like that
09:21.12simonrvn"windows, 7 or so" i think ;)
09:21.39ribasushithat'll make a killer label
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09:21.50castdunno, i wasn't an english major!
09:21.50ribasushi"Introducing the NEW BETTER *IMPROVED*"
09:21.59ribasushiWINDOWS 8... or so!
09:24.27d_bHi, I just bought a Logitech
09:24.28d_bUSB Desktop Microphone
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09:24.45castgood thing you checked HCLs first :)
09:25.06prod_b good thing irc is text based then, or we wouldnt hear you
09:25.20d_b(oops) for use with Skype and I'm not getting any sound. I tried messing around with the microphone settings in sound setting but no luck. Can someone help me out?
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09:25.55castnot me, skype is not part of debian D:
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09:26.28d_bIt's not a Skype problem, it's a microphone problem. I'm not getting anything in Audacity either.
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09:27.39steve_jhi folks
09:27.55ribasushid_b: play witl alsamixer
09:28.01steve_jcan someone point me in the right direction to get postgres 8.4 installed on my lenny box, please?
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09:28.22steve_jlooks likeit's in lenny-backports
09:28.24steve_j!backports
09:28.24dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/.  Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
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09:28.41steve_j!backport caveat
09:28.41dpkgRemember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>.  Also note that you can't rely on backports to patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered
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09:29.21ribasushid_b: start alsamixer, then hit tab once to get to the capturing section, and carefully look at all settings/columes
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09:29.28ribasushid_b: it's possible something is muted
09:29.42ttl_workgreetings
09:29.48bonydose any one has an idea on curlftpfs? i am trying to mount a local ftp system which is a NAS on to my system using curlftpfs. i am able to mount the NAS but can't read and write to the disk
09:29.48ttl_worki'm running testing
09:29.51d_bribasushi: I'm there right now, will mess around some and see what happens
09:29.56bonyit says operation not permitted
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09:30.11ttl_workwhen i try to install brasero apt wants to remove the gnome-desktop-environment
09:30.13ttl_work?
09:30.18ribasushid_b: it's real time, so keep audacious open/recording, and see when the mic starts working
09:30.46castbony: accessing a NAS via NFS||CIFS strikes me as a better approach
09:30.47prottl_work, apt is trying to help you
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09:30.53bonyd_b, if you have two sound cards then even then you won't hear anything.
09:30.57ribasushid_b: also it might have registered as a separate audiodevice - look at the output of F2 (once in alsamixer)
09:31.14ribasushid_b: or cat /proc/asound/cards
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09:31.37Krolineholaaaaa
09:31.39bonyd_b, this happend with me few weeks ago when i was trying to work on a dell studio 15. that had a inbuilt sound card as well as sound blaster in it
09:31.47ttl_workpro ?
09:31.57bonycast, i have been looking for such a solution for a long time
09:32.10d_bbony: I only have the internal intel(?) sound card.
09:32.17prottl_work, install enlightenment
09:32.26Zvpunsince I upgraded my testing to kernel 2.6.30 it beeps when gdm is finished loading or while pressing backspace in empty input fields. I can disable it with xset b off, but how do I turn off the beep of gdm? pcspkr is not loaded I checked with lsmod.
09:32.26ribasushibah dpkg's "version chasing" factoid is so full of crap
09:32.41prottl_work, im kidding, i think the GTK that gnome and brazero are using are different ones
09:32.45bonycast, but i don't think i can mount NAS using NFS cause there are only two protocols that are allowed in it ftp and http.
09:33.22bonycast, just give me a hint about wether i can access the device over http using NFS?
09:33.32ttl_workpro: hehe, ok
09:33.45bonyd_b, did you check with the volume manager? i think this was already asked.
09:33.52castbony: it's normally written in the product description
09:34.01prottl_work, maybe upgrade gnome and then install brazero ?
09:34.06castbony: it's not really a NAS IMHO if it only does FTP and HTTP
09:34.23d_bribasushi: No luch with alsamixer but I see this entry in /proc/asound/cards 1 [default]: USB-Audio - AK5370 AKM AK5370 at usb-0000:00:1d.1-2, full speed   this should be it right? Apart from that I only see the internal intel card.
09:34.52bonycast, well this is NAS 200 from linksys Network Storage Device
09:34.55d_bthink I solved it!
09:35.01bonycast, it has 2 1TB hdd's
09:35.11bonyand the firmware is based on linux
09:35.25bonymost probability debian
09:35.27ttl_workpro: did a dist-upgrade before the problem arose
09:35.41bonyi tried working with custom firmwares but it becomes very slow
09:35.56prottl_work, thats strange, i cant say for sure
09:36.09petemcbony: what brand is this? it seems utterly braindead to use linux and then only allow 2 shitty protocols to be used to access
09:36.44d_bwell maybe not but I did go to Volume Control and Change Device -> AK5370 (usb). Took it to the top and unmuted. Didn't help much though.
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09:37.21bonypetemc, :( yeah http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/NAS200
09:37.31ribasushid_b: you need to tell skype to use the other device
09:37.39ribasushid_b: same for audacious
09:38.18bonypetemc, i was happy when i say it but when i started working over it then i realized that it has only 2 protocols http and ftp. i was very frustrated to see them
09:38.31bonybut i need to find work arounds cause now i can't change the device
09:39.04d_bribasushi: I got this in Audacity after choosing the usb device: "Error while opening sound device. Please check the input device settings and the project sample rate."
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09:39.39ribasushid_b: dunno, sorry
09:39.58castbony: i'd install gnu/linux on it,
09:40.09castbony: then use NFS :)
09:40.30ttl_workpro: http://pastebin.ca/1566652
09:40.39d_bribasushi: switched to mono instead of 2 channel like the default was and I now have a working mic!
09:40.40probony, does it have ssh?
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09:40.47d_bribasushi: bony: Thanks for your help!
09:41.02prottl_work, i get a blank page?
09:41.22bonycast, i did that i installed a custom firmware that had ssh and other protocols. but then the device slows down drastically. I can see the speed like 300 Kbps to 600Kbps
09:41.36probony, look for sshfs
09:41.42bonypro, if it had ssh then i would have celebrated my self :(
09:42.15castpro: sshfs would be the wrong answer
09:42.22castbony: 3-6kbps for what?
09:42.25bonycurlftpfs is one option that is very close to what i am looking for but now the problem is that when i mount the device i can only mount it read only and not r/w
09:42.26cast+00
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09:42.44bonycast, for downloading/uploading data fromt the device
09:42.50castvia what protocol?
09:43.06bonycast, via ssh
09:43.11castduh...
09:43.23castand via http?
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09:44.44smajchlhello, please help me, i just installed Debian 5.0.3 Desktop (gnome) and everything is OK and fine, but the GDM doesnt accept my username and password, but in console it works, startx also works, where should be the problem??
09:44.47bonycast, its like this right now the firmware that is there in the device dosn't support any protocol other than http and ftp. so what i did was i searched for a firmware that can give ssh too with the existing protocols. and i found one such firmware from one of the debian's forums. i downloaded the firmware and upgraded my Network Storage System with the custom firmware that had ssh. Now i see the speed's going down with even ssh
09:45.06bonycast, via http i get 1Mbps to 2Mbps
09:45.19prosmajchl, is your username root ?
09:45.30smajchlno my UN is smajchl
09:45.34ttl_workpro: http://pastebin.com/mea5338e
09:45.39smajchlbut root also doesnt work in GDM
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09:46.31prottl_work, maybe there is a different gnome-desktop installed?
09:46.33bonycast, so what i did was i remove the custom firmware and reinstalled the firmware that was provided by linksys. Now i get speeds up to 5Mbps which is the max that this device can deliver. But with the default firmware i can get mount the device on to my system.
09:46.56castbony: so how much did http speed drop?
09:47.02castbony: ahh, nvm
09:47.14castbony: was it the same httpd?
09:48.02bonycast, well it is the same httpd. There is not drop or gain in the speed it is the same with httpd.
09:48.04prottl_work, maybe do the apt-get autoremove, to clean out the unused stuff, then do an apt-get update and then an apt-get install brasero and see what it says?
09:48.08ttl_workpro: Installed: 1:2.24.3~2squeeze2.1
09:48.28castbony: wait wait...so with custom firmware httpd speeds were the same?
09:48.30bonywhat i want is to mount the device on to my system with a decent speed like 1Mbps is also good.
09:48.34ttl_workpro: i'll try that
09:48.36bonycast, yeah
09:48.45smajchli dont understand why i cant login, the keyboard layout is OK, i tryied to write password instead UN to see that it is correct, what should I do? it is just fresh net install
09:49.09castbony: so the custom firmware isn't inherently slow, then, ssh will naturally be quite slow due to the encryption overhead, and you'll likely have a pissy little ARM cpu
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09:49.25maxagazhow to copy/paste a very long text open in a console in order to put it a text editor ?
09:49.40bonycast, :( yeah you are right to the point
09:50.06castbony: so i'd be trying NFS and see how that compares to your curlftpfs :)
09:50.11ttl_workpro: it says the same...
09:50.19ttl_workpro: strange problem
09:50.28castbony: unfortunately you won't be able to use jumboframes which iirc will be able to give you a decent NFS speed boost
09:50.40bonymaxagaz, use > for redirecting the output of the long text file.
09:51.01cast..though...that was over gig eth....nvm.
09:51.09maxagazbony, output to where ?
09:51.25prottl, yeah it is, i think it has to do with GTK, or maybe that the gnome cd software conflicts with brasero and the desktop depends on the gnome cd program?
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09:51.48maxagazbony, how to output to the buffer of my current session on my system ?
09:52.36buumaxagaz: Do you have xclip or similar?
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09:53.15maxagazbuu, no
09:53.26buuToo bad.
09:53.47d_bnot THAT bad, it's just an "aptitude install" away...
09:53.52ttl_workpro: could indeed be something like that...
09:53.58maxagazbuu, i have xclipboard
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09:54.39maxagazbuu, now, i have xclip
09:54.47castneat @ xclip
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09:55.08maxagazcast, I beg your pardon...?
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09:57.22bonycast, i will check out with the solutions that you have given me one is nfs.
09:57.59bonycast, i have some vary basic doubts regarding nfs cause i myself am not very clear about it. i need to study the subject
09:58.28Yucatanhi pro
09:58.59Ajayhi to all ,is there .deb package for PassiceTex
09:59.02Yucatani have ulogd working i can see in the logs that iptables logs to ulogd
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09:59.15Yucatanonly the part to mysql is not working correcty
09:59.22bonymaxagaz, well you need to check out which shell is running and redirect your output to the shell. I am not clear on how exactly is it done.
09:59.32bonymaxagaz, but i think this is one idea
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10:04.56Yucatanhey pro are u there?
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10:07.24Yucatanhey guys a question the time and date is wrong on my debian machine
10:07.28Yucatanhow can i change that?
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10:08.26enmerkar!tell Yucatan about time
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10:26.51Yucatani have a policy in my iptables but i wanne log all dropped packets is there a rule i can do that ?
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10:27.08petemc-j LOG
10:28.06Yucatanhow u mean petemc
10:28.12jelYucatan: basically get to the point of dropping things, then use a rule just like your drop rule, except with -j LOG instead.  Right after that, do the drop rule as normal.
10:28.55Yucatanhmm okee
10:29.12jelHey petemc :)
10:29.18jelLong time :)
10:29.21Kamping_Kaiserhow can i find out which package contains python include files (for building against)
10:29.22Yucatanand how should i set it if i chose to block everything and allowd what i have added
10:30.04Kamping_Kaiserhm.... looks like include/python is what i should have looked for
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10:30.19jelYucatan: set the policy to drop, and then allow what you want to allow.  Log everything right at the end, as it'll get dropped after that
10:30.58jelYucatan: and yes, that's the better way.  It's been a while since I had do to this :)
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10:31.47jelYucatan: fwiw, ferm is very nice :)
10:32.09petemcjel: yo :)
10:32.12Yucatanhaha thx alot jel
10:32.13jelYucatan: and very similar to raw IPTables, but a bit quicker
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10:32.32jelYucatan: no worries :)
10:32.34Yucatanwht u mean jel
10:32.40Yucatanwith and very similar to raw IPTables, but a bit quicker
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10:33.05jelYucatan: well, with pure iptables rules, you repeat yourself a lot.  iptables -s ... -j ...
10:33.17Yucatanyeah thats right:P
10:33.55jelYucatan: so specification of match and commands all at once, every time.  With ferm, you can specify the source ,then a block of commands to do.
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10:34.31Yucatanahh okee
10:34.34Yucatanthe help here is very good
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10:34.40jelYucatan: but unlike most firewall frontends, it doesn't get so high-level that it's hard to do low-level stuff
10:34.43jel:)
10:34.51Yucatani have been in #debian on quakenet with 115 people the help here is much beter
10:35.14jel<-- learnt a lot here :)
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10:35.45prothats because people here know naibed
10:36.02jellol
10:36.04proor, thats cause people here know debian backwards
10:36.18probrb, going to smoke
10:36.37Yucatanyeah i know
10:36.40Yucatandebian just rocks
10:36.46Yucatansystem is zo good:D
10:36.47jelpetemc: how are things?  Been to a blug lately?
10:36.48the-dudedebian <3
10:37.01Yucatani'm a pretty linux freak
10:37.22Yucatanbut i'm not that wors that i go weard t-shirts like windows sucks
10:37.31Yucatanthat kinde people are there to:p
10:37.32Yucatanhaha
10:37.50petemcjel: not bad, havent made it to a meeting in a while, still read the list tho
10:38.05jelpetemc: aye, same :)
10:38.10proi dont care who uses what, i just use it cause it works, and its free and i can change things i need to change
10:38.16jelpetemc: hopefully will see you around eventually :)
10:38.38Yucatanyeah pro i understand
10:38.47Yucatanand its very stable
10:38.58proanyway, that smoke, its calling my name..... brb
10:39.29Yucatanme to brb
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10:42.37simonrvnoh ferm's neat
10:42.42jcmhi, on a recent server I built with soft RAID5+LVM, I got four times kernel panics that seem to be linked to disks or raid. I'd like to improve this, but cannot even find something in the logs... Where should I inquire first?
10:42.52Yucatani think i'm gonne switch to freenode server and be here more:)
10:43.01Yucatanits here much bether then on quakenet server:(
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10:46.35jeljcm: try booting from an initrd image that supports LVM and RAID5, verify that everything's OK before bringing up the drive, and see what happens when you do?
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10:49.15mariuspHi all, Im not getting any matches with iptables and the string module. Is there something not working on etch and ipt string module?
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10:49.30castYucatan: "quake" vs. "free" :)
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10:52.39jcmjel: everything boots and runs fine. But after some days I get unexpected crash.
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10:54.32Yucatancast: what u mean with "quake" vs "free"  ???
10:55.16castone targets people interested in freenode, the other a simplistic FPS
10:55.41Yucatanhahahahah ahh okee:P
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10:56.13Yucatanhey guys i have another question... i wanne make a system that people can auth on my server
10:56.30Yucatanif they dont auth they cant join the wireless network
10:56.44Yucatanthey auth with a username or password or something like that
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10:57.07Yucatanif i create a acount for a user i wanne be able to say this user may join the wireless network for 3 months
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10:57.53p0g0_Yucatan: radius is your friend...
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10:57.59Yucatanor i wanne say this user may use the wireless network for a year so i wanne be able to give a end date then the acount expires does somebody have any ideas suggustions
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10:58.11duryhi there channel :)
10:58.17simonrvnp0g0_: just mentioned one
10:58.33Yucatanp0g0_: what do u mean explane pleas,,
10:58.44simonrvn!radius
10:58.44dpkgradius is probably Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service.  http://web.archive.org/web/20010610045237/http://www.livingston.com/tech/technotes/500/index.html#RADIUS  See also <freeradius>.
10:58.56LoneTechI have a bit of a problem trying to upgrade - apt says "/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true" fails. any hints?
10:59.00simonrvn!freeradius
10:59.00dpkgFreeRADIUS is a high-performance and configurable <RADIUS> server, formerly packaged as <radiusd-freeradius> in Debian.  http://freeradius.org/  http://wiki.freeradius.org/FAQ  #freeradius on irc.freenode.net.
10:59.13p0g0_Yucatan: radius is an authentication server- it's likely what your ISP uses to authenitcate you and assure that you have paid your subscription
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10:59.28ttl_workpro: thanks for your help. i'm going home.
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10:59.38Yucatanhmm okee
10:59.38p0g0_simonrvn: thanks
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10:59.50Yucatanand do i need to dail in with my laptop then
11:00.03simonrvnp0g0_: your idea, i ran with it
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11:00.05Yucatanso i join the wireless network and then i need to dail in to the radius server
11:00.07simonrvnp0g0_: :)
11:00.23p0g0_Yucatan: no- the wireless authentication tools (wpa_supplicant) will use radius directrly
11:01.09Yucatanso i can create a acount that is enabled for 3 months
11:01.47LoneTechI think I found the problem. /bin/sh is missing.
11:01.54Yucatanp0g0_ can u explane a bit how that should work
11:02.03Yucatanor where do i need to install that or what
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11:02.15jeljcm: hmm.  Dunno.  I have heard of linux software RAID being a bit buggy.  All I can suggest is: http://www.mulix.org/lectures/kernel_oopsing/kernel_oopsing.pdf
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11:02.22p0g0_Yucatan: setups like OpenWRT can use radius as the source for your authentication rights, and you will not remain associated to the access point without radius accepting your credentials
11:02.45Yucatanhmm sounds great
11:02.49simonrvnLoneTech: bash bug in 4.0-4 or something. update to -6 or higher
11:03.03Yucatanso i need to make a wireless netwerk
11:03.11simonrvnbug could be in -5 ... whatevr, it's at the bts
11:03.12Yucatanwith access piont everywere
11:03.22Yucatanwith my debian machine as gateway & radius server?
11:03.25p0g0_Yucatan: so you have a interneted radius server with the user account information, and the access point will contact that server when a user tries to join the wireless network.
11:03.26LoneTechlooks like a lot of my alternatives are dangling too. might need upgrading dpkg, but first need to get them to work
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11:03.36LoneTechthanks, simonrvn
11:03.45simonrvnthe radius box would hopefully be separate ;)
11:03.54Yucatansouds good
11:04.01simonrvnLoneTech: you can create it manually if needed
11:04.06LoneTechI did
11:04.13Yucatanso the user that call in to the netwerk with his laptop
11:04.16simonrvnok
11:04.19LoneTechand it seems to work
11:04.22Yucatandoes not need to install software or anything
11:04.28Yucatanits all server sided?
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11:04.39simonrvnLoneTech: it should
11:04.46Yucatanhe only needs a username and password and he is good to go?
11:04.48LoneTechyep. thanks
11:05.18simonrvnYucatan: yes
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11:05.36Yucatanthx simonrvn can i use a radius server if i dont have wireless
11:05.40Yucatani have a wired netwerk
11:05.47Yucatanis it posseble then to?
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11:06.00simonrvnyes. as you saw, it started with dialup setups
11:06.19Yucatanhmmm sounds great
11:06.41LoneTechyou could use it with an 802.1x server, like hostapd (not restricted to wireless iirc)
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11:06.50simonrvnso using it for wifi stuff isn't all that different... you can base the user/group info in ldap (i think in rdbms too)
11:06.52Lancienhave skeep DµHµCP config when i have boot Debian i now i dont know how can configure dhcp
11:06.56Lancien:D
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11:07.28simonrvnLancien: try `dhclient <your external interface>`
11:07.41simonrvn!dhcp
11:07.42dpkgi guess dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol.  Ask me about <dhcp client>.
11:08.12LoneTechyou can set it up permanently in /etc/network/interfaces too (see man 5 interfaces)
11:08.40simonrvn!interfaces
11:08.41dpkgYour network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example).  Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively.  See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS.  Also ask me about <static route>.
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11:09.18durycan I share files between debian box and Imac
11:09.42durycan someone drive me please?
11:09.50Lanciensimonrvn,  wath is it external interface
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11:12.19Yucatanone more questions about radius,,, i need a web interface where i can add and remove users its needs to be a very simple web interface
11:12.23Yucatanwhat do u guys advice
11:12.26Yucatansql?
11:12.33LoneTechLancien: lo is loopback (within the computer). you simply don't have the other interface set up yet - you can probably see it if you run ifconfig -a
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11:13.05nsadminradius is half diameter?
11:13.36nsadminYucatan: you'd probably have to build one
11:13.42LoneTechYucatan: sql doesn't exactly fit your requirements (it's a language used for communicating to database backends, not a web interface)
11:14.17LoneTechthere are probably several interfaces available though, from ldap-specialized to whole-system things like webmin. I don't know any well enough to give a recommendation.
11:14.23nsadminopenacs has everything you need, but it has way wayyyy too much more
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11:15.28Lancienhtpp://pastebin.com/m5f4bb31f
11:15.57nsadminLoneTech: you saying there might be a radius web interface already?
11:16.40nsadminbtw, radius can talk to a unix box that has users and authenticate against those
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11:17.19LoneTechnsadmin: not radius as such; radius is also a communication protocol. the storage would likely be a separate system, accessed via ldap, pam or sql.
11:17.53LoneTechso access via radius would probably be regulated by a group or attribute in the storage
11:18.35LoneTechit's likely others know this better than I do
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11:19.14LoneTechLancien: you have two unconfigured interfaces to care about there, wlan0 (wireless) and eth0 (ethernet)
11:19.43LoneTecheth0 already shows an inet adr line, so you do have it connected.
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11:20.47LoneTechso probably all you need are "allow-hotplug eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in interfaces to make it work automatically. if the machine moves about (looks like it might be a laptop), ifplugd or network-manager can set it up when you connect the cable, instead of when you boot.
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11:23.27nsadminwhat's the difference in effect between allow-hotplug eth0 and auto eth0
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11:25.54Yucatanso if i need a simple web interface for adding and removeing users in RADIUS how can i do that of whats the best solution for me ?
11:26.16Yucatannsadmin thats a good question i am wandering myself the same :P
11:26.26nsadminperhaps the best thing to do is study what's available
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11:28.22LoneTechnsadmin: allow-hotplug means it'll be configured if the driver is autoloaded after boot; auto means it'll be configured at boot. so hotplug is suitable for usb devices, for instance.
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11:29.05nsadminstarting with listing all the daemons available that implement radius, and for each, look at what their interfaces can be and the choices of what they can authenticate against
11:29.31nsadminoh ok, that's interesting
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11:30.13nsadminso for example if I have a wireless usb dongle (which I do), it would be most useful to allow hotplug
11:30.41LoneTechright
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11:44.23Yucatanhi if i want a domein controller for windows domein like active directory on windows now i wanne make a domein controller on debian with folder redirection and roaming profile what software i need then on debian???
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11:48.09Yucatansomebody?
11:48.58Dumb0samba ?
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11:49.12Yucatanu suggust samba?
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11:49.35Dumb0yes
11:50.07Yucatanhmm okee
11:50.16Yucatanwhy i should take samba
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11:51.04Dumb0Yucatan,  for binding between linux/windows usually we use samba
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11:51.45Dumb0but If you want replace active directory entirely use : openldap software
11:51.56Yucatanyeah i know that for network shares i use samba to
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12:10.08TimothyAor create their own environment so they don't mess with the other users
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12:11.27abrotmanTimothyA: they shouldn't be able to "mess with" other users
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12:12.33LoneTechTimothyA: just which abilities do you consider to be messing with other users?
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12:13.28LoneTechin a normal setup, the most intrusive you get is using talk(1), which users can disable using mesg(1)
12:13.40LoneTechaside from load issues, of course.
12:14.15TimothyALoneTech; rm /* :P
12:14.20TimothyA*rm -R /*
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12:14.42abrotmanTimothyA: don't do that
12:15.07abrotmanTimothyA: and a normal user should only affect his own files with that
12:15.15abrotman(barring a security issue that would give root access)
12:16.40TimothyAabrotman; so how would i prevent an user from going outside his/her home folder, yet allow them the basic provided utilities?
12:16.44TimothyAwithout jailkit
12:16.49TimothyAI was told jailkit is bad
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12:17.11mischiefTimothyA, it's called permissions ;)
12:17.14abrotmanTimothyA: i'm still confused why you think it's necessary
12:17.27LoneTechyou don't. the concept is that your work is in your home folder, the system tools are in your path, and you don't need to care where.
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12:17.53LoneTechremember that this is a multiuser system; users can not remove system files or other users' files.
12:17.57TimothyAjust managed to edit an file he has no write/read/execute permissions to...
12:18.12LoneTechindeed, they can't even see them unless allowed to
12:18.14TimothyAand this is on a fresh install of debian with an limited user account
12:18.15mischiefwere you root? :/
12:18.21abrotmanTimothyA: which file? where was it? as which user?
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12:18.53TimothyAhttpd.conf in /etc/apache2/
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12:19.08TimothyAbut pretty much any file :|
12:19.21tawanyou can only edit that as root unless someone messed the permissions
12:19.34LoneTechare you talking about opening them in an editor, or actually making changes? and again, as which user?
12:19.36TimothyAwell, it's an fresh install with just an limited account and apache installed
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12:19.46TimothyALoneTech; making changes, as 'test'
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12:20.21abrotmanTimothyA: did you actually save the file?  What command did you type to edit it?
12:20.30TimothyAvi httpd.conf
12:20.32TimothyAZZ
12:20.32LoneTechsomething sounds off about this. give us the output of "ls -l /etc/apache2/httpd.conf" and "id -a"
12:20.36TimothyAafter editing it
12:20.41abrotmanand did it save your changes?
12:20.48TimothyAyus
12:21.04petemcTimothyA: ls -la /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
12:21.05abrotmanTimothyA: give LoneTech his answers
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12:21.54LoneTechoh, -a is superfluous on this gnu system. pardon. (doesn't hurt though)
12:22.08TimothyAsorry, was working in the wrong window :x
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12:23.32tawanso Debian is secure? The httpd.conf hackers will have to try again another day?
12:23.53TimothyAthey can still read it ;>_> I don't want people to read someone elses files
12:23.57LoneTechthere's a reason root gets the little # reminder
12:24.15Yucatandoes somebody have any expirence with installing snort?
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12:24.27LoneTechthen you can alter the mode. the umask decides the default permissions of newly created files.
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12:25.22TimothyALoneTech; I don't want them to be able to read the contents of the file of another user
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12:26.21LoneTechit's what the "other" part of permissions are for. the simplest thing you could do is to alter the home directory permissions from 0755 to 0750 or so.
12:26.33TimothyADOH
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12:27.17TimothyAthat works
12:27.40LoneTechthe default value is DIR_MODE in /etc/adduser.conf
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12:28.46TimothyAthanks :)
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12:34.41abrotmanTimothyA: there's a way to change this at user creation time
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12:41.06xeon-enoufTimothyA: you could also do it in /etc/default/useradd (if it exists)
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12:52.34rgrI've been having issues running x apps from a screen hosted bash shell after logging back in. It seems that running "xhost +" from a newly opened xterm fixes this. What would be the potential problems of running this at login to get around this annoying problem?
12:52.40Karlitascan someone please help me? Using latest debian, with wine. I went to install utorrent.exe, so i typed wine utorrent.exe. THen alot of text started showing up and utorrent.dmp files started showing up. Loads of them. SO i closed the terminal but they keeps popping up!!
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12:53.26LoneTechrtorrent does not require wine.
12:53.27Titan8990_Karlitas, restart X then use one of the ton of torrent downloaders available natively for linux
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12:53.54rgrmuch as I hate kde, ktorrent gets my vote.
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12:54.30KarlitasTitan8990_: How do I restart it, and I need a client supported by big private trackers.. What would you recommend? I was recommended "gludge" i think its name was, but have no idea how to get it
12:54.55Titan8990_Karlitas, ctrl+alt+backspace a couple times should restart X
12:55.20Titan8990_Karlitas, there is ktorrent, transmission, and more just search the package manager for torrents
12:55.28Titan8990_Karlitas, synaptic or apt-cache search
12:56.02KarlitasTitan8990_: Thanks, ctrl + alt + backspace did nothing. I am on a seedbox so I am using vnc if that might change anything.
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12:57.05Rahimin which repo woll i get kde4?
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12:57.21buntfalkeRahim: testing and newer
12:57.33Titan8990_judd, versions kdelibs
12:57.34buntfalkeas in, squeeze or newer
12:57.35juddTitan8990_: kdelibs -- etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch1 etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-7~bpo40+1 lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny1 lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny2 sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-1 sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2
12:57.40Rahimcan i upgrade my lenny to that version?
12:57.46Titan8990_all look like 3.5 to me
12:58.06buntfalkeRahim: yes, change the apt sources from lenny to squeeze, or from stable to testing, run an upgrade
12:58.24buntfalkeTitan8990_: well - judd is wrong then.
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12:58.34Rahimthanks buntfalke
12:58.42buntfalkenp
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12:59.36Titan8990_buntfalke, and the official website? http://packages.debian.org/testing/kdelibs
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13:00.40buntfalkejudd, versions kdelibs5
13:00.40juddbuntfalke: kdelibs5 -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-3 lenny-security: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1 sid: 4:4.3.1-1 squeeze: 4:4.3.1-1
13:00.45buntfalkeTitan8990_: here you go
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13:01.09buntfalkebelieve me, kde431 is in testing - i use it right this second.
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13:02.42Rahimlenny: 4:4.1.0-3  what does '4:' signifies?
13:02.58Rahim4.1.0 seems to be the version
13:05.23LoneTechRahim: security non-maintainer releases get marked that way, I think.
13:05.36themill!version epoch
13:05.36dpkgThe version number of a packge have a prepended number called the "epoch".  It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes.  Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg).  But 1<6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0").  See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>
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13:05.59resjudicatais there something like ubuntu's wubi for debian?
13:06.01LoneTechoh
13:06.12LoneTechthanks themill
13:06.44abrotmanresjudicata: which does?
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13:07.13resjudicatainstall linux on a loopback file
13:07.24resjudicatainstead of repartitioning the hdd
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13:11.58|bohne|hi, i got a debian5 vserer, is it possible to downgrade from lenny to etch?
13:12.00abrotmanresjudicata: to use with windows ?
13:12.05abrotman|bohne|: no
13:12.14|bohne|abrotman: thanks
13:12.37resjudicataabrotman: yup, work pc
13:13.39abrotman!colinux
13:13.40dpkgCooperative Linux (aka coLinux) is software for running Linux on Microsoft Windows.  It is a port of the Linux kernel, allowing cooperative execution with another operating system on a single machine.  http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ  http://www.colinux.org/  #colinux on irc://irc.oftc.net.
13:13.49abrotmanno clue how well it works .. have fun
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13:14.49benediktresjudicata: why not just install debian on the machine and throw out windows?
13:16.31resjudicatabenedikt: can't do that, it's my work pc and my colleagues probably wont like that
13:16.46benediktdont tell them :)
13:16.57KarlitasGuyys, I tried to wine utorrent.exe but something happend , now it keeps spitting out .dmp files and wont stop. I am using a vnc on latest debian. How can i make it stop?
13:17.00resjudicatalol
13:17.14benediktKarlitas: killall -9 wine
13:17.28benediktand then use free torrent client
13:18.00|bohne|hi, how can i determine which debian version is installed? 4 or 5
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13:18.19Rahimkardan_: wont Deluge/Ktorrent/Vuze help?
13:18.20benedikt|bohne|: cat /etc/lsb-release
13:19.23|bohne|doesnt exist
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13:19.49Karlitasbenedikt: wine: no process killed
13:20.11LoneTechbenedikt: several wine versions actually rename themselves to the exe, I believe. top may help.
13:20.12Titan8990_|bohne|, cat /etc/issue
13:20.17Titan8990_should work in every distro
13:20.45LoneTechdebian version would be in /etc/debian_version though
13:21.01|bohne|Titan8990_: works! thanks!
13:21.11Titan8990_np
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13:26.34JyZyXELhow do you select that with what program midnight commander opens shit?
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13:27.31themillWarning: unknown mime-type for "shit"
13:28.13nassoAnyone have cron knowledge? does this look like a reboot every monday at 23:59?
13:28.15nasso59 23 * * 1 shutdown -r now
13:28.19ranix_themill: try figuring it out by extension
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13:28.37ranixI think shit are .docx
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13:29.41JyZyXELthemill: shits the junk you have on your hard disk
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13:30.10themillIf it's junk then you should delete it. Press F8 in mc for that.
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13:31.08pawbieDid an update in Squeeze yesterday.  Today, my Nvidia drivers don't work.  I get a normal xserver startup, then it dies.  If started from 'startx', it works fine.  gdm, however, just keeps resetting without any error.
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13:31.38Titan8990_pawbie, you have to recompile 3rd party kernel modules anytime you upgrade your kernel
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13:32.12pawbieTitan8990: Already did that.
13:32.30pawbieWhy would the xserver work through startx as root but not through gdm?
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13:33.14Lancieni have prb with wifi connection .... http://pastebin.com/m9cf2065
13:33.21Titan8990_pawbie, does it work with startx as a user?
13:33.23Lancienit's good config?
13:33.43pawbieTitan8990: No.
13:33.56Lancien& why i couldn't install network management?
13:34.04Titan8990_thats odd, pastebin your Xorg.0.log
13:34.13Titan8990_after a failed start that is
13:34.58pawbieTitan8990: I'll do it if you insist, but there are no errors or messages after it successfully loads.
13:35.17Lancien:(
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13:37.03zeroConfhey - if you enter something wrong during install, how do you *cancle* the configuring apt screen and go back... or do i have to wait for all the dns's to timeout ?
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13:37.19zeroConfwhen i alt-f4 i can see them timeing out
13:37.25zeroConfwhich is why i know that is the problem...
13:37.33zeroConfso i was thinking alt-f2
13:37.35zeroConfand do something
13:37.38zeroConfbut not raelly sure what...
13:37.52zeroConfor do i just ctrl-c on the installer screen ?
13:38.02joltcanzeroConf: just w8
13:38.09beardyzeroConf: Yes. Or wait, waiting is better.
13:38.24zeroConfim not known for my paitence.....
13:38.34beardyPerfect time to practice.
13:38.39zeroConfbut ill go to the refridgerator and hope that passes some time
13:38.52beardySay hello to the butter.
13:39.17zeroConffunny thing is - while *waiting earlier* i drove to the office and turned on a 2nd server so that i could have something extra to remote into and play with while waiting for things here... now i am still waiting...
13:39.18Lanciendpkg-reconfigure -a after i dpkg-reconfigure exim4?
13:40.04zeroConften minets - two timeouts, fark they are long
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13:41.13pimHi there.
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13:41.53pimIs there a way on Lenny to have more than 16 partitions on a scsi disk? thanks.
13:42.02justinpim: most people use lvm for that kind of thing
13:42.13Yucatanhey guys talk to u later
13:42.17moty66Anyidea how to backup a source code from snv ? I need to run a cron job everyday to do that
13:42.18Yucatanthx for all the help and info
13:42.22Yucatanbye
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13:43.00pimjustin: that's what i do unfortunately :0( : very heavy, when you experiment like i do.
13:43.14justinpim: virtual machines?
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13:43.50pimjustin:  fast boot.
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13:45.04themillmoty66: you could use svk to replicate the repository into another one, svn-{fast,hot}-backup to replicate the repository or even just "svn co" somewhere. All of these can be done by cron for you.
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13:46.00Lancienhtpp://pastebin.com/m57d15391
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13:46.10Lancienplz i dont see wath i could make
13:46.16pimjustin: to be more precise, i'm adjusting boot for destop popular destops because, actuel boot is not optimize for this: it is for servers.
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13:47.09moty66themill: Thanks for the hint, I will try to do that with svn co :)
13:47.12SPFhow can I retrieve a mac address from a LAN ip?
13:47.32beardy!arp
13:47.32dpkgrumour has it, arp is the address resolution protocol, which converts IP addresses to MAC addresses, or man 8 arp
13:47.37themillmoty66: svn co only grabs the current state so it's not always that good for backups, but it might be enough for you.
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13:48.11SPFbeardy: can it be done without arp?
13:48.16moty66themill: right now it will do the job, I need to backup the head only
13:48.30ComnenusIs it possible to use ldap + kerberos to authenticate to AD without using winbind?
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13:50.08beardySPF: If you are sitting on the same ethernet segment, you can capture some packets from the IP and look at it's MAC address.
13:50.16beardyits
13:50.36pawbieStill can't get X to start as a regular user.  Here's my xorg log if anyone could assist: http://pastebin.org/18076
13:51.07psqlhi
13:51.14pimI heard about a new partition support NEW that will be natively extendable...
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13:51.31beardySPF: But if you do that, to make it send something to you, then you make an arp request, and will have it in your arp table anyway..
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13:52.07SPFbeardy: I can only find arp-scan
13:53.05beardySPF: Just run 'arp -n' after pinging the IP.
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13:54.08psqlhey guy I have a problem: i have this error in Synaptic on my Deb Lenny: "openoffice.org-wiki-publisher Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
13:54.24SPFbeardy: arp: command not found
13:54.25Lancienhttp://pastebin.com/m57d15391 help please!
13:54.55SPFbeardy: I can't find arp in apt, only arp-scan and others
13:55.15beardySPF: /usr/sbin/arp, not in your path.
13:55.42themillpsql: that package isn't in lenny at all. How are you trying to install it?
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13:56.10beardySPF: So run '/usr/sbin/arp -n'.
13:56.21psqlfrom other repository
13:56.32Titan8990_what other repo?
13:56.48LancienGTFO!
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13:57.27psqllenny backports
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13:58.17psqli can't uninstall it now
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13:58.27stewLancien: did you look at /var/log/exim4/paniclog ?
13:58.38pawbieTitan8990: Did you see the pastebin?  It's pretty odd.
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13:59.13pimpawbie: except lines 34, 35 your log does not realy show any errors... it's not easy, did your look at .Xauthority
13:59.18themillpsql: can you pastebin the output of: aptitude -t lenny-backports -f install ~nopenoffice.org~i
13:59.56pawbiepim: Ya.  Weird, isn't it?  And it will sometimes start with startx, but never as a user or under gdm.  How does .Xauthority relate to gdm?
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14:00.34Lancienhttp://pastebin.com/m57d15391 stew
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14:01.04stewLancien: yes, I saw that.  did you see my question?
14:01.44pimpawbie: Don't really know, but if it starts under root : there IS a reason... the problem is it MUST say it in any log kind...
14:03.13pawbiepim: I've checked the gdm logs and xorg.  Any ideas where else to check?
14:03.20Lancienwhen i look to /var/log/exim.... i see this
14:03.23Lancienhttp://pastebin.com/m57d15391
14:03.32pimpawbie: often these are just permission problems, read/write, etc....
14:03.50psql<PROTECTED>
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14:04.20themillpsql: can you pastebin the entire output for me? prefix "LANG=C" to the front of the command to get it in English
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14:04.36Lancienstew,  now /var....paniclog give nothing isn't
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14:06.18psqlThe following packages have unmet dependencies:  ure: Conflicts: openoffice.org-writer2latex (< 0.5.0.2-3) but 0.5-8 is installed.
14:06.18psql<PROTECTED>
14:06.18psqlRemove the following packages:openoffice.org-writer2latex
14:06.18psqlUpgrade the following packages:dictionaries-common [0.98.12 (stable, now) -> 1.0.0~bpo50+1 (lenny-backports)]
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14:07.28stewLancien: did you look inside /var/log/exim4/paniclog?
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14:07.40themilldpkg: tell psql about pastebin
14:07.50Titan8990_you were ready for that
14:08.38stewpsql: show us the output of "apt-cache policy openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-writer2latex ure" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
14:08.49psqlIt say:The following packages have unmet dependencies:
14:08.49psql<PROTECTED>
14:09.00psqlRemove the following packages:
14:09.00psqlopenoffice.org-writer2latexUpgrade the following packages:dictionaries-common [0.98.12 (stable, now) -> 1.0.0~bpo50+1 (lenny-backports)]
14:09.00psqlScore is 187Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]
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14:09.13Lancienstew,  NO
14:09.15pimpawbie: just a question, are you sure your X server falls down? did you look with ps? perhaps you did... just a question...
14:09.29Lancieni couldn't look because it's not
14:09.43sladibg
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14:09.56themillpsql: please stop pasting things in to the channel. Use a pastebin like http://paste.debian.net/
14:10.03psqlok
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14:10.21themillpsql: Do you use writer2latex at all?
14:10.56psqlno
14:11.07themillpsql: then that solution should be safe to accept.
14:11.23stewLancien: becuase it's not what?
14:11.35Lancienit's not present
14:11.36Lancienlol
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14:12.46psqli've tryed to type Y and it seems works now.... :)
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14:13.16Lancienis not existe if you prefer stew
14:13.49stewLancien: can you show us the output of "bash -x /etc/init.d/exim4 restart" ?
14:13.50themillpsql: excellent. For complicated upgrades such as getting big packages from backports.org you'll probably do better with aptitude than with synaptic.
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14:14.45psqlOK..... Tanks!!!! themill
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14:15.58Lancien& stew?
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14:16.46Lancienhe has stop & restar
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14:17.26yareckonso a sid update totally hosed my system this morning.... root now mounted read only :(  living on the edge
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14:18.08yareckondpkg just returned a problem during the installation, and on reboot.... readonly
14:18.11tryfananyone know of a web based svn viewer that has a searching capability?  websvn and viewvc don't.
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14:22.45arcskyim trying to start samba, with /etc/init.d/samba start but it takes ages "Starting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd"....
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14:25.40benediktNot sure if anybody here would know, but why is that ftp.is.debian.org is in sweden?
14:25.40joltcanarcsky: I've only seen that take a lot of time if there is low memory on a server
14:25.59rgrarcsky: could be you need to add your remote hosts to your /etc/hosts file or configure reverse dns properly if you have your own dns server.
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14:26.33Lancienstew,  no idee?
14:26.57d_bbenedikt: because the server belongs to Umeå University?
14:27.09joltcanbenedikt: good question, but umea is pretty far north and definitely has more bandwidth than the whole of iceland :)
14:27.23joltcand_b: but Umeå is in sweden, not in iceland
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14:27.38EugenMayeris there a way to disable passive ftp für lfpt?
14:27.59benediktd_b: it used to point to ftp.rhnet.is.. But ftp://ftp.rhnet.is/debian seems to be somewhat incomplete
14:28.09`lazy_Hello i've got this error when entering mail command: mail: /tmp: No space left on device
14:28.28d_bjoltcan: Yeah, I'm in Sweden so I noticed :) But it is a good question, doesn't Iceland have caps on anything going out of Iceland? I remember reading something about that when some icelandic pirate site got shut down or something
14:28.36arcskywhy doesnt all the samba stuff get deleted when i do apt-get remove samba and apt-get purge samba ?
14:28.39`lazy_it seems that there isn't any space on /tmp but how i can release some space there
14:28.41benediktjoltcan: RHNet is the university network of iceland, and they have mirrors of most distros at ftp.rhnet.is. But hte debian mirror seems incomplete
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14:28.56joltcan`lazy_: that means that 1) you run out of space from your / device, or 2) you run out of space from your in-memory tmp device. The first is more probable
14:29.03benediktd_b: we are charged per mb for traffic ouitside of iceland.
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14:29.06benediktExcept on rhnet.
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14:29.31`lazy_joltcan: /dev/hdb1             111G   89G   17G  85% /
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14:29.36`lazy_so there is space
14:29.37`lazy_but
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14:30.12joltcanEugenMayer: set passive-ftp no or something like that
14:30.22EugenMayerthank you
14:30.48d_bbenedikt: I'd try to contact rhnet if I were you.
14:30.53themillbenedikt: it used to be in iceland (in rhnet) up until 2007 or 2008. Rather than removing the host entirely, it looks like it was transferred to the "next best" option.
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14:31.07joltcan`lazy: so either you have no write permission to tmp (which sounds weird), or you are actually using a separate tmp fs, and that one is full. Check with mount
14:31.13LancienFCK ALL!
14:31.19benediktd_b: im writing an email right now :)
14:31.29benediktthemill: seems to be a valid guess
14:31.46LancienDebian is for crazy people! i'm novice and i would be crazyt!
14:31.50themillbenedikt: not completely a guess....: http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://ftp.is.debian.org
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14:32.09themillLancien: take it easy...
14:32.10Pavlzend of draft for 802.11n after 7 years :-)
14:32.13d_bLancien: Debian is for lazy people. At least that's why I use it :)
14:32.23arcskyjoltcan: i have 1gb ram i think its ok
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14:32.48`lazyjoltcan: tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
14:32.51`lazyu mean that ?
14:32.55Lancien....
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14:34.35d_bLancien: if you can't get any help here, try the mailing list, some forum like Linuxquestions.org or a Debian specific forum, or even the Ubuntu channel. I've had luck asking there before, though it doesn't always work.
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14:36.08arcskyjoltcan: i got two smb.conf too,   /usr/share/samba/smb.conf /etc/samba/smb.conf
14:36.32joltcanarcsky: yeah. Are you running some kind of service, like being part of a windows network or something else?
14:37.05arcskyyeah i want filesharing to my windows machine
14:37.23rgrarcsky: did you see my comment on reverse dns?
14:37.25joltcanarcsky: Yeah, there are some extra ones in /usr/share/samba, but that doesn't matter
14:37.45joltcanarcsky: like rgr said, it might be a dns problem
14:37.47arcskyrgr: i dont have any reserse dns
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14:37.55arcskyin my network
14:37.58Lanciend_b,  ok thks!
14:38.16joltcan`lazy: no, that should not do it. Try and see if you can save something else there manuall
14:38.19joltcany
14:38.44d_bLancien: And if all that fails, just try again later. The person who knows the answer to your problem might not be here right now. All you can do is try different places and explain your problem as clear as possible. Good luck!
14:38.47rgrWhat do you mean you don't have any? Can Samba not try to look up the hosts?
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14:39.03abrotmanrgr: it's in a separate package ..
14:39.35rgrAre our lines crossed perhaps?
14:39.35rgrWhat package?
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14:40.07rgrI added me served hosts on my lan to my hosts file and samba/nfs both started instantly then.
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14:41.08arcskyrgr and joltcan now it starts faster but i cant connect to it
14:41.26eject_ckCan I build Wi-Fi AP with WPA on Stable ?
14:42.35joltcanarcsky: ps aux|grep mbd and see if both smbd and nmbd is running
14:43.00`lazyjoltcan: i can save 50mb file there
14:43.03`lazy*copy
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14:43.33joltcan`lazy: thats crazy, you haven't modified any rights on /tmp?
14:43.41arcskyhttp://pastebin.com/m310468f7
14:45.11`lazynoup
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14:45.33`lazyi've got this system running +1 year now, sudently when i tried mail it gives that error
14:45.41abrotmanrgr: if you install the winbind package, you can change your /etc/nsswitch.conf
14:45.44`lazybut still i get msg that i got new mail =)
14:46.32joltcan`lazy: Very strange indeed. Do you see anything strange in the logs or with dmesg?
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14:49.33arcskyjoltcan: should i reinstall debian?
14:50.15joltcanarcsky: no, do a netstat -anp|grep mbd first
14:50.37arcskyjoltcan: it takes now ages for restart, ok
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14:51.54Lancienhttp://pastealacon.com/4257 sound's good? plz
14:52.03arcskyhttp://pastebin.com/m19fdec70
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14:52.47joltcanarcsky: ah, so smbd haven't started to listen on the interfaces, and thus you cannot connect to it. nmbd is the name translatopn part, while smbd is the file serving part
14:52.59DominicusWhere can I find a howto for making a bootable thumbdrive from debian that will run  memtest86+ and the debian net installer? I have a new i7 with 12 gigs of ram i want to memtest and install 64 bit debian.
14:53.02joltcanarcsky: try and killall -9 nmbd, and then do a restart of samba
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14:53.35arcskybash: killall: command not found
14:53.40sylardo you know if there is an other tool for svn administration ?
14:53.41arcskydebian doesnt have killall?
14:53.51petemcarcsky: it does if you install it
14:53.57`lazyjoltcan: mail.err/.log/.warn/.info are empty
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14:54.09`lazynot anything in dmesg ect...
14:54.17arcskypetemc: which package?
14:54.33petemcarcsky: psmisc
14:54.37joltcan`lazy: then I just don't know :/
14:54.43DominicusAnd, do i need a 64 bit installer image, to install 64 bit Debian? Or will a 32bit installer image install a 64bit debian?
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14:55.05`lazyreally funky, wouldn't mind to try shutdown -r now ^^
14:55.24`lazyi don't believe "Never underestimate the power of reboot" slogan
14:55.40arcskyjoltcan: check what i got when i did apt-get install psmisc http://pastebin.com/m689a9a89
14:56.04grimanyone know where i can find just the kernel and initrd for testing/sid installation?  I setup my pxe server with the netboot stuff, but grub-legacy doesn't like a software raid5...
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14:56.20joltcanarcsky: well, that is actually good
14:56.39joltcanarcsky: now samba will be a deamon that is always running, before it was started on-the-fly when you tried to connect to the box
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14:57.33arcskyjoltcan: still starting...
14:57.39joltcanarcsky: but really which way to use it doesn't really matter, just make sure you just doesn't use both
14:58.15joltcanarcsky: that is why we didn't see it netstat
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14:58.54arcskyStarting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd....
14:58.57arcskytake ages
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14:59.36joltcanarcsky: not sure of how to continue, the smb conf file was simple enough
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15:00.22smharI am trying to install the deb package of realplayer from real.com but it seems it conflicts with nullmailer which is required by at and it seems that this will just damage my installation, what is going wrong? and how to install realplayer?
15:00.28joltcanarcsky: and I guess you have both eth0 and eth1 on that system? so it can't find eth1 and thus hangs?
15:00.34laurusI see we are on version 5.0.3. Is this equivalent to 5.0r3, or will there be a 5.0r1 at some point?
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15:00.49abrotmanlaurus: i think they've done away with the 'r' notation
15:01.08arcskyroot@itwt:~# /usr/sbin/nmbd -D
15:01.08arcskyroot@itwt:~# /usr/sbin/smbd -D
15:01.09laurusabrotman, okay. I was wondering because I used to sometimes do a reinstall when a new r came out.
15:01.10arcsky..
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15:01.17arcskysmbd doesnt start
15:01.22smhar!realplay
15:01.26joltcanarcsky: yeah, just ctrl+c on the "starting" thing
15:01.34joltcanarcsky: arcsky sorry, I was in the scrollback
15:01.56folkenabrotman: thats not necessary.. if you have done all the updates you will allready be on the rX by the time it comes out.
15:02.05laurusThanks abrotman
15:02.06laurus:)
15:02.14justinlaurus: a reinstall for a minor version update? WHY?
15:02.32laurusjustin: Just because over time my system tends to build up junk and it was a good excuse to clean it out and start fresh :p
15:02.34folkenwoops sorry that was directed at laurus.
15:02.43smharrep only has real10 and I need real 11
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15:03.12folkenlaurus: it doesn´t build up any chunk.. in fact you can mount almost everything except /tmp and /var readonly.
15:03.29folkenunless you are installing software left and right. :)
15:03.33laurusfolken: Okay... is there a way to delete packages upon uninstall? I noticed the package files tend to stay on my hard drive...
15:03.43beardy!purge
15:03.43dpkgIn Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or  'dpkg -P <package>' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead).  To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore config files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>."
15:03.49joltcanarcsky: do you have smb in inetd.conf?
15:03.55laurusAh, I was doing aptitude remove --purge
15:03.57beardyAnd don't install crap except in /opt and /usr/local.
15:03.58arcskyyes
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15:04.07folkenlaurus: the installation packages can be removed with apt-cache clean
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15:04.28arcskyjoltcan: # netbios-ssn   stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/smbd
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15:04.37folkenlaurus: actually apt-get clean..
15:04.42EroreI am having trouble with syslog, it is configured: *.info @syslog.server. The filesystem is mounted readonly during boot and after the boot syslog does not send a thing, however, if I mount / -o remount,rw,noatime and restart syslog it works fine. Where's the catch?
15:04.45folkenlaurus: i have been using puppet too much.
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15:05.08laurusDoes aptitude clean remove all the packages, or just the ones that are not installed?
15:05.12justinpuppet ftw :)
15:05.19folkenjep!
15:05.23joltcanarcsky: so that is commented out? Restart inetd
15:05.27joltcanarcsky: then restart samba
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15:05.34laurusI just want to remove the ones that aren't currently installed
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15:05.40arcskyjoltcan: uncomment it?
15:05.52beardylaurus: It cleans the package cache, which means all packages that are in the cache.
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15:06.01laurusbeardy: Is there a way to just get rid of the ones that aren't installed?
15:06.09joltcanarcsky: nope
15:06.25joltcanarcsky: just to make sure that inetd isn't listening to that port, and then samba can't start properly
15:06.34folkenlaurus: aptitude autoclean "emoves any cached packages which can no longer be downloaded"
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15:06.35beardylaurus: You don't need the package files once it is installed.
15:06.49laurusbeardy: Ok I see
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15:07.01ces200hello, how can i change locale and gnome language?
15:07.07ces200thanks
15:07.09arcskyjoltcan: http://pastebin.com/m30d24253
15:07.11beardy!locale
15:07.12dpkgit has been said that locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers)
15:07.30joltcanI have an alias like this: alias update='apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade && apt-get clean', which both updates the system and removes any laying around packages
15:07.50beardyBut it doesn't use aptitude, which you should.
15:07.51laurusjoltcan: That's cool
15:08.01laurusI thought it was aptitude safe-upgrade
15:08.01ces200beardy, bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
15:08.12joltcanarcsky: ok, make sure that samba isn't configured in xinted either
15:08.21joltcanarcsky: and ignore inetd.conf
15:08.26arcskyjoltcan: how do i check that?
15:08.33beardyces200: dpkg-reconfigure needs to be run as root.
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15:08.54ces200beardy, yes, sorry
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15:09.18arcskyjoltcan: no samba in xinetd.conf
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15:09.31joltcanarcsky: also see if there is anything in the xinetd include folder
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15:09.49joltcanarcsky: I'm not running xinetd myself, so I'm not exactly shure of how that is configured
15:09.49cmartinez28Buenos dias
15:10.11cmartinez28Algun Manual para configurar LDAP en Debian?
15:10.25justin!+es
15:10.25dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:12.18homeyirkahello all, could somebody help me with crashed xserver please? I'm on debian/testing with 2.6.29-rc7-rt1 kernel and fglrx driver for ATI Technologies Inc M76 [Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series] (unfortunately :-|) Yesterday i updated packages, they were some xserver-xorg-video-*** and today after reboot i ended with "module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (2)" error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. I've googled some solutions, but none of t
15:12.52pawbiehomeyirka: Did you download and rebuilt your ATI driver?
15:12.58justinhomeyirka: the radeon driver doesn't support that card?
15:13.04EroreI am having trouble with syslog, it is configured: *.info @syslog.server. The filesystem is mounted readonly during boot and after the boot syslog does not send a thing, however, if I mount / -o remount,rw,noatime and restart syslog it works fine. Where's the catch?
15:13.28arcskyjoltcan: when cant i find inetd in ps aux ?
15:13.32arcskywhy*
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15:14.27joltcanarcsky: since you are using xinetd instead
15:14.28ces200hello, how can i change gnome language, thanks?
15:14.41arcskyjoltcan: but i removed xinetd
15:15.15joltcanarcsky: oh? but it still looks like it running, maybe some connections where still alive and thus xinetd was alive too. You can kill 3204 then
15:15.46arcskybash: kill: (3204) - No such process
15:15.49joltcanthen it's not alive anymore
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15:16.00Zvpunsince I upgraded my testing to kernel 2.6.30 it beeps when gdm is finished loading or while pressing backspace in empty input fields. I can disable it with xset b off, but how do I turn off the beep of gdm? pcspkr is not loaded I checked with lsmod.
15:16.01arcskybut how can i start inetd?
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15:17.15valdynarcsky: not at all if you removed it
15:17.39joltcanarcsky: apt-get install inetd?
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15:17.54karika200hi
15:18.06arcskyE: Couldn't find package inetd
15:18.10karika200I upgraded my debian last night, and I got a new intel video driver for xorg
15:18.14karika200but now, with this driver the X server crashes
15:18.20karika200I'm using now vesa, but it isn't enough
15:18.25karika200is tehre any workaround for the intel driver crash?
15:18.28arcskyinetutils-inetd ?
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15:18.33valdynarcsky: why do you care about xinetd when your samba was not even configured to run via xinetd?
15:18.43cahootarcsky: try aptitude search inetd
15:19.08ces200hello, how can i change gnome language turkish to english, thanks?
15:19.44homeyirkapawbie, justin> well this combination of video card and realtime kernel is hell ... radeon driver does not support it and neither does amd official driver on rt kernel .... so i use custom built patched fglrx packages, i've got pinned them in /etc/apt/preferences and locked with synaptic, but sometimes some other package breaks the compatibility
15:19.48arcskyhttp://pastebin.com/m494bd45e
15:19.54valdyndebian probably defaults to openbsd-inetd it seems
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15:20.28abrotmankarika200: i had to create an xorg.conf using X -configure
15:21.08karika200ok, but what is the difference your older config and between the new config?
15:21.11valdynhomeyirka: we cant support your custom mess
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15:22.45homeyirkavaldyn>it's ok, i don't want you to support my mess, i'm just asking if somebody meet similar problem, managed it to solve it and be so kind to give me a hint ...
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15:24.55valdynhomeyirka: it doesnt make sense to use an unreleased kernel version with an rt patch with fglrx
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15:25.12valdynhomeyirka: on top of that you might not need or benefit from an rt kernel
15:25.58valdynhomeyirka: no one but the very people who are writing / testing this would do such a thing
15:26.05moty66how can I receive the cron output by email ?
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15:26.31valdynmoty66: thats the default, how did you break your local email?
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15:27.43Krauser_hi is there a way to reboot a completely hanged up machine running debian squeeze ?
15:27.49Krauser_remotely
15:27.52Krauser_using ssh or ftp
15:28.14the-dudeif it is stuck no
15:28.25moty66valdyn: I forward all emails of root to my gmail. But from the mail log, I can't that
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15:28.55Krauser_the-dude, is there a way to even know wether the machine is powered on or not ?
15:29.00Krauser_because i cant ping it
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15:29.35the-dudeif it doesn't ping back it doesn't mean its now powered on
15:29.35Bert_2which browser in the debian lenny repo has good javascript/ajax performance ?
15:29.55the-dudeKrauser_: could be network problems, firewall troubles or misconfiguration
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15:30.21Krauser_the-dude, do u mean even if the machine is off we can ping it ?
15:30.30smharok.. I have realplayer installed, but It can not connect to internet!!  I have a socket tunnel over ssh that firefox is using, how to achieve the same with rp?
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15:31.06pawbieBert_2: Grab the chromium-browser (google chrome).  There's an ubuntu repo for it.
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15:31.40the-dudeKrauser_: if it is off you can't ping it
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15:31.53the-dudeunless you are pinging a remote control card or so
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15:32.05pawbieKrauser: There are cards out there that can keep a tcp connection when powered off.
15:32.13pawbieMore than likely, you don't have one.
15:32.16Bert_2pawbie: yes, I know it works fine on ubuntu, but does it go well with debian lenny ?
15:32.25Krauser_umm what if the power is supplied to the machine but it is not booted/powered on ?
15:32.28pawbieBert_2: I've used it in Lenny and in Squeeze.  Using it now, in fact.
15:32.29Krauser_can we ping it then ?
15:32.41pawbieKrauser: Usually not.  Unless you have a SoL or similar.
15:32.42Bert_2pawbie: do you use the daily build ppa ?
15:32.57pawbieBert_2: Yep.  I think you'll have to backstep to Hardy.
15:33.31Bert_2pawbie: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu hardy main ?
15:33.37pawbieYa.
15:33.42Krauser_ok 1 last question is there any programme or script wich auto restarts the machine after it has completely hung
15:33.59Bert_2pawbie: are lenny and hardy similar ?
15:34.11pawbieBert_2: When you get it installed, make sure you check out the Chrome Experiments (chromeexperiments.com)
15:34.18homeyirkavaldyn>i tried to build rt kernel because i wanted to play with audio (jackd, djing, ...) and the realtime patch for the kernel was last available in time i built it, but i don't understand why i could not benefit from using fglrx on top of rt kernel, anyway it seemed to work till yesterday :) ....
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15:34.44Bert_2pawbie: does it run as well on lenny as it does on hardy (I'm personally enjoying it daily here for my AJAX tests)
15:34.44pawbieBert_2: They're close enough...  Lenny has more in common with Jaunty, I would think, but there's a dependency that forces you down to Hardy.
15:35.09chops1Is there an option I can give to make to make it output each command as it's running it regardless of what my (cmake-generated, bleh) Makefiles are telling it to output?
15:35.15pawbieI haven't exactly done any benchmarks, but all of the chrome experiments definitely look the same.
15:35.22Bert_2pawbie: I'm making a special VM for eyeOS testing, so javascript has to be UBERFAST
15:35.40pawbieThen v8 is your engine.  Grab chromium.
15:36.17Bert_2pawbie: the firefox 3.5 engine isn't bad though, but v8 is clearly better
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15:36.31ttl-hi everyone
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15:38.13Krauser_:( can sm1 make a programme wich auto restarts a completely hung up machine
15:38.54petemcits called a power button
15:39.10Krauser_I m far far far still far away from the hung up machine
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15:39.17beardyIf any program can run, it's not "hung up".
15:39.22petemcits called out of band access
15:39.26chops1Krauser_: If your machine is completely hung up, you won't be able to run that program.  Sounds like it's time to call the datacenter people and ask them to power cycle the machine.
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15:39.33Krauser_wen a machine hangs up does the kernal hang up 2 ?
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15:39.56kaiten4Hello, I have my bass guitar hooked up to my line in. My line in is the "capture" device. It pass-throughs, from line-in to the speakers, which I don't want. Because I am using jack to route through effects, and then that will be sent to the speakers., I do not want to hear the instrument from line in. But the only way I can do that is to mute "capture" which jack can then not pick up.
15:40.02the-dudeKrauser_: what did you do that made the machine bork?
15:40.11ttl-aptitude or apt-get wants to remove  gnome-desktop-environment when installing brasero... i think there is problem in testing, this afternoon i had the same problem on another machine which i mentioned here also
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15:40.27CodeNinjaI'm having problems burning via command line on my server.... I tried cdrecord dev=0,6,0 /storage/CDImages/MyImage.iso, also cdrecord dev=0,7,0 /storage/CDImages/MyImage.iso wodim says error trying to open /dev/hda (or /dev/hdb) exclusively, device or resource busy
15:40.31CodeNinjaany ideas?
15:40.41Krauser_i have no clue at all ..... can using squeeze be the source of the problem ?
15:40.45cahootkaiten4: you might find more audio people in #lad
15:40.54kaiten4cahoot: thanks
15:40.56beardyCodeNinja: Yes. Use the proper device.
15:41.01the-dudeKrauser_: perhaps a firewall of misconfiguration of network?
15:41.16CodeNinjabeardy: I am
15:42.05beardyCodeNinja: Looks like you have no idea which device you should use.
15:42.05Krauser_that machine hosts game servers its out for every1 in this world no1 can ping it
15:42.05CodeNinjathose are the devices taht show as my cd burners when I cdrecord -scanbus
15:42.05CodeNinjabeardy: I'm trying both because I'm unsure which is which, I know which they are from cdrecord -scanbus
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15:42.33CodeNinja1000,6,0 100006) 'LITE-ON ' 'DVDRW SOHW-1633S' 'BPSA' Removable CD-ROM & 1000,7,0 100007) 'SONY    ' 'DVD RW DW-Q120A ' 'PYS1' Removable CD-ROM
15:42.33Krauser_=((
15:43.17Krauser_the-dude, how can 1 secure ssh ?
15:43.51the-dudeKrauser_: what do you mean?
15:44.14Krauser_the-dude, i mean how to make it more hacks-free
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15:44.50chops1Okay, so I've solved my makefile problem, and I'm still confused.  I'm trying to compile a library which depends on another library in the same directory, and it its linking against the first library but somehow failing to find the second library as a dependency.  See http://pastebin.com/d641822ec for the gory details.
15:44.54the-dudeKrauser_: resrict network access, use key authentication
15:44.55ttl-brasero 2.26.2-1 conflicts with nautilus-cd-burner, but gnome-desktop-environment depends on nautilus-cd-burner
15:45.10Krauser_ok
15:45.26Krauser_restrict network acess .... u mean allow from only specific ip addresses ?
15:45.37chops1That's followed by a ton of missing symbols... librtiutil.so.3 does exist in /tmp/engineering-mirror/releases/public/makRti/3.3.2/linux-rhentws5/lib, so I don't understand how it's failing to link against it.
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15:46.53Krauser_How stable is debian squeeze ?
15:47.04stewKrauser_: it changes 4 times a day
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15:47.38the-dudeKrauser_: do you need squeeze?
15:47.49Krauser_the-dude, i m using squeeze on that pc
15:48.00the-dudeKrauser_: yeah but do you need it ?
15:48.03Krauser_the-dude, maybe its that os stability problem ?
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15:48.07gypsymaurohi
15:48.13gypsymauroIm' trying to install grub on a sda tha is a disc I changed on a RAID 1 mirror (sda1 + sdb1 = md0) if I try to do root(hd1,0) setup (hd1) it works if I run root(hd0,0) setup (hd0) it says  Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... no
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15:48.17gypsymauroError 15: File not found
15:48.18Krauser_the-dude, yes a few softwares needed pacakges versionw hich are ther in testing
15:48.21gypsymauroany hint?
15:48.30the-dudeKrauser_: I doubt it , but inspect it
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15:49.19Krauser_the-dude, :( i m feeling sad rite now my boss will kill me
15:49.34stewKrauser_: /msg dpkg backports
15:49.51Krauser_<PROTECTED>
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15:50.17the-dudeKrauser_: so yo have to drive to the serve now?
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15:51.12Krauser_the-dude, no the idc people will do it but the order has to go from my boss and he will .. . .. . :(
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15:51.43the-dudeKrauser_: doesn't it come with a  console or so
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15:51.52valdynKrauser_: why do you think its your fault at all that it crashed that way?
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15:52.18Krauser_theres a word called "responisibility" :(
15:52.25petemcno theres not
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15:52.44smharwhat video player in debian can play streaming rm video?
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15:53.07stewsmhar: mplayer, but it requires plugins not in debian
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15:54.04CodeNinja:| I can't burn a friggin cd via command line :|
15:54.18the-dudeKrauser_: did it break while installing , or after a reboot?
15:54.33Krauser_the-dude, it just hung up it was working fine
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15:54.56Krauser_the-dude, i fear an outside hack coz it was still fairly new and there are just passwords to the account (expect for a non-default port)
15:55.29the-dudeKrauser_: but if it was hacked? why would they turn it of :)
15:55.39Krauser_the-dude, how would i know :P
15:55.52Krauser_the-dude, in var/logs is ther any file wich can help me find the problem ?
15:56.22the-dudeKrauser_: jep :) /var/log/ syslog and auth are interested
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15:56.48CodeNinjafine.. I'll burn it at work :|
15:56.51Krauser_the-dude, :( ok but still i m doomed
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15:57.00Krauser_the-dude, anyways thannx for the help
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15:57.12ranixwhy would you be doomed if your server turned off
15:57.14the-dudeKrauser_: your not doomed until it is proven you screwup
15:57.15ranixwtf
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15:57.41the-dudemaybe its just a hardware failure, or perhaps a coworker who screwed up
15:57.52Krauser_:(
15:57.59ranixor maybe an uplink failure at the datacenter
15:58.12ranixpeople don't "hack" ssh
15:58.16ranixit doesn't work that way
15:58.33Zharfssh hacks them
15:58.38Krauser_:-S
15:58.41ranixunless you gave your passwords to the prince of nigeria because he had 50 million dollars hidden in a metal chest just for you
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15:59.31Krauser_i hate this field :( should be a professor in some univeristy
15:59.36zinxthey upload a virus in to the firewalls through the backdoor and it takes over the central processing unit!
15:59.46ranixteaching what
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15:59.56Krauser_i m happy with mathematics
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16:00.08ranixyou don't seem to be a very analytical thinker
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16:00.54the-duderanix: *g*
16:01.04dsdeizhi there.. i just recently installed xserver-xorg
16:01.15dsdeizso where do i go after that? :-?
16:01.47gypsymauroa question about installing debian with the / on a raid.. grub will be installed on /dev/md0 or on /dev/sda too? or I've to do it manually? in that case I've to do on both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb I suppose
16:02.12dsdeizhow come i can't still invoke the command startx?
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16:02.43gypsymaurodsdeiz: you have to install the client too
16:03.02dsdeizgypsymauro: may i ask what is it?
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16:03.49gypsymaurodsdeiz: apt-get install xinit
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16:04.10dsdeizgypsymauro: anything else?
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16:05.38jeromegI'm running debian testing and updated to xorg 1.6. Since then I can't use tapping anymore with my touchpad.
16:05.56jeromegI tried to use the fdi files to configure that, but I couldn't get it work.
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16:06.11moty66is xchat available without gui ?
16:06.19jeromegCuriously, lshal detects three mouses, a psmouse, a mouse and a touchpad.
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16:06.25jeromegCould this be the issue?
16:06.36skyfoxi installed bind9 but i don't have rndc command. where is that found?
16:06.36nullable_typeHey guys, i want to download and install ncurses via apt-get. It says "Package ncurses has no candidate". How do i add this to the apt-get so i can maintain through it
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16:07.29CodeNinjanullable_type: apt-cache search ncurses
16:07.30CodeNinja:)
16:08.08nullable_typeit gives a list, what i do next?
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16:08.30joeytwiddleapt-cache search ncurses | grep ^ncurses
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16:08.39joeytwiddleyou will find the name of the package you want
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16:09.03nullable_typeoh ic....... it is usually in a different name is that it?
16:09.24nullable_typei see ncurses-base
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16:10.06joeytwiddledepends how you want to use ncurses.  ncurses-bin will contain executables if you need them
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16:10.21nullable_typeoh ok thanks
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16:11.23skyfoxi have bind9 and bind9utils installed but nowhere to be found
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16:12.23harkskyfox: /usr/sbin/rndc
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16:12.33skyfoxdamn it!
16:12.46skyfoxthere it is thank you
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16:33.36sylecnHi, my keyboard is not generating the right key after a system update. for ex, now PageUp generates /, Arrow Up is generates PrintScreen. I have post the recent aptitude log here: http://pastebin.com/f1742bd3b  what package is causing the problem?
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16:34.05stewsylecn: in X or in console?
16:34.12sylecnin X
16:34.37stewsylecn: then probably xserver-xorg-input-kbd
16:35.06stewsylecn: you can remap the keys in /etc/hal/fdi/policy or using xmodmap
16:35.07Titan8990_stew, it doesn't use evdev?
16:35.44stewTitan8990_: i don't know
16:36.18Titan8990_i think the newer HAL enabled X servers will use evdev over kbd/mouse drivers
16:36.50sylecnIs there a way to restore the config before update? sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-input-kbd doesn't allow me change anything.
16:36.51Titan8990_its what allows for hot-plugging input devices
16:37.34Titan8990_sylecn, nothing to configure there... you probably mean to reconfigure xserver-xorg
16:38.44sylecnsudo reconfigure xserver-xorg also doesn't allow me to change anything.
16:39.00Titan8990_!sudo
16:39.01dpkg[sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon.  It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it, ask me about <visudo>.  http://wiki.debian.org/sudo
16:39.18sylecntypo, dpkg-reconfigure
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16:39.51Titan8990_sylecn, what version of debian?
16:40.09sylecnTitan8990, testing
16:40.25Titan8990_testing doesn't allow x configuration through dpkg anymore
16:40.35Titan8990_mostly because xserver should not require a xorg.conf
16:40.40Titan8990_try: X -configure
16:41.08sylecnin xorg.conf, I see I'm using pc104 model and us layout, which seems as the same as I used before.
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16:42.34Titan8990_what driver?
16:42.49Titan8990_sylecn, actually... are you using proprietary drivers?
16:42.58sylecnkbd driver
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16:43.48Titan8990_sylecn, and are you using any proprietary drivers such as nvidia or fglrx?
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16:44.09sylecnI'm not using proprietary drivers as far as I know. The graphic card is using intel driver
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16:44.39Titan8990_sylecn, mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
16:44.44Titan8990_sylecn, then startx again
16:44.59sylecnTitan8990, ok, I'll try that.
16:45.07sylecnbbl
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16:48.29dsdeizhooray! i've finally got my debian up! with fluxbox as my wm ;)
16:48.56Titan8990_grats
16:48.56sylecnTitan8990, I removed xorg.conf and restarted X. still the same problem. I posted the X.org log here: http://pastebin.com/f7695fc6
16:49.17dsdeizand had no problem whatsover \o/
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16:51.28Titan8990_sylecn, i would say this is the only thing not familar to me: XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
16:51.44Titan8990_it is using the evdev drivers though
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16:52.17stewsylecn: you can remap the keys in /etc/hal/fdi/policy or using xmodmap
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16:53.19NoCodedpkg, gwibber
16:53.20dpkgNoCode: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
16:53.25NoCodefail
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16:53.58sylecnstew, there are at least 13 keys not working, and the laptop keys is not easy to remap.
16:54.06NoCodewhat version of gwibber can I install in Debian Lenny?
16:54.34sylecnstew, I mean like a NumLk/ScrLk key. I don't know how to do that in xmodmap
16:55.02stewsylecn: xkeycaps helps you write a .xmodmap file
16:55.09stewjudd: versions gwibber
16:55.09juddstew: gwibber -- squeeze: 1.2.0+bzr355-2 sid: 1.2.0+bzr358-1
16:55.26stewNoCode: /msg dpkg backports
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16:57.27jonathan1Hello, i tried to install another version of libc6, but i removed the old version first. As a result, i wasn't able to install the new version because dpkg didn't wotrk anymore
16:57.56cahootlike a braintransplant
16:57.58jonathan1When i boot, it can't start init, i'm on knippix at the moment
16:58.18jonathan1It wasn't the best idea, i know
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16:58.43stewjonathan1: libc6 is THE most fundamental package on your system (besides maybe the kernel, depending on how you look at it)
16:59.00NoCodeI enabled backports a while ago in sources. So I guess, "sudo apt-get install -t lenny-backports <package-name>" would do it?
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16:59.28stewNoCode: there doesn't appear to be a backport of this particular package on backports.org, you'd have to backport it yourself
16:59.45jonathan1stew, i know, i was a bit out of my mind, i tried to downgrade several packages and didn't realize that libc was one of them
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17:00.01NoCodeoh darn. :(
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17:00.25stewjonathan1: you should be able to use dpkg on knoppix to unpack libc6 to the root of your filesystem
17:00.26Sindikathi there super-cool Debian users
17:00.48jonathan1ahh, ok sounds good
17:01.21SindikatDoes anybody have dependency problems with "shared-mime-info" package?
17:01.30jonathan1at the momenent, i cant acces the system because its partionioned with lvm and completely encrypted with luks
17:01.35dsdeizuhm, i've installed dwm, how can i choose it in xdm?
17:02.03jonathan1i looking for a live cd/dvd that can cope with that
17:02.21jonathan1knoppix on cd seems not to be able to understand either one
17:02.26patrikfjonathan1: try grml
17:02.48jonathan1thank zou
17:02.51jonathan1*you
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17:03.50SindikatSo, unstable branch users, do you have dependency problems with "shared-mime-info"? When it says "leaving unconfigured" after every package update.
17:04.41dsdeizis evilwm lighter than fluxbox?
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17:07.26dsdeizone last thing, what torrent client do you guys prefer? i'm not really liking transmission which is installed by default on ubuntu
17:07.56SindikatDeluge is ok for gtk+ users
17:08.17Sindikatrtorrent is awesome for red-eye linuxoids
17:08.29jcmhi, on a recent server I built with soft RAID5+LVM, I got four times kernel panics that seem to be linked to disks or raid, after some days of correct behaviour. I'd like to improve this, but cannot even find something in the logs... Where should I inquire first?
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17:09.26NoCodeWhat do you guys use to microblog in lenny?
17:09.38sylecnI have put Driver"kbd" in xorg.conf, and X is still using evdev driver for my keyboard. What's happening?
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17:12.42Titan8990_sylecn, your using HAL enabled xorg
17:13.17sylecnTitan8990, is HAL enabled by default only recently?
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17:13.28Titan8990_as of xorg-server version 1.5
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17:13.45pawbie<3 the new xorg-server, but really wish I knew wtf was up with my nvidia driver...
17:14.15Titan8990_sylecn, debian lenny probably released with hal enabled xorg
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17:14.25Titan8990_you won't find a modern distro that doesn't have it
17:14.48Titan8990_your particular issue is rather odd imo
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17:14.50SindikatI hate HAL
17:14.54Titan8990_maybe bug report worthy
17:15.11ranixcan't let you do that, Sindikat
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17:15.20Titan8990_Sindikat, i did at first but then it turned out that i only hated it because i had to learn all new shit
17:15.37Titan8990_i prefer it now
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17:15.43sylecnyeah. I just want to figure out what changed my keyboard layout. the arrow keys behaves very wrong are really a pain.
17:15.50dsdeizfluxbox still seems to be a little slow. any other recommendations?
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17:16.00SindikatTitan8990_: how about DeviceKit?
17:16.10sylecnI find the same problem here: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-x@lists.debian.org/msg89775.html but no solution though.
17:16.13Sindikatdsdeiz: what is your problem?
17:16.16valdyndsdeiz: window managers dont contribute much at all to slowness or ram usage
17:16.28valdyndsdeiz: so why are you pinning your issue to the window manager?
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17:16.40hawkyxpHi
17:16.42Titan8990_Sindikat, couldn't say because it has not made its way into any distro that I use
17:16.44Sindikatdsdeiz: valdyn is right, actually
17:16.55Titan8990_Sindikat, but yeah, i did forget fedora dropped hal
17:16.59sylecnI will try to use evdev instead of old kbd in xorg.conf and see if it works
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17:17.40ranixfluxbox being slow is an interesting complaint
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17:17.56ranixI am running fluxbox natively on xorg in netbsd on this little 133mhz MIPS handheld
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17:18.03dsdeizvaldyn: oh ok. then there's something wrong in my setup :( i'm not sure what. it's just slow like when transferring from the first workspace to the second one
17:18.06ranixand it is snappy
17:18.08Sindikatopenbox must be faster then fluxbox in 0.5% or smth (=
17:18.18ranixyou could run fluxbox on an abacus
17:18.31Titan8990_valdyn, sounds like you haven't compared say... compiz to awm
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17:19.18SindikatTitan8990_: i never tried compiz, is it actually useful or just funny cubes stuff?
17:19.26ranixSindikat: the latter
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17:19.39Titan8990_Sindacious, useful for impressing the friends but thats about it
17:19.41pawbieCompositing window managers are only for funny cubes and stuff?
17:19.49Titan8990_pawbie, not true
17:20.01Titan8990_kwin uses compositing for max os x like features
17:20.04pawbieTitan8990: Ya, I was remarking on the current conversation in sarcasm.
17:20.05ranixcompiz is just funny cubes and stuff
17:20.10Titan8990_and many others use it for transparency
17:20.14ranixcompositing as a technology has a lot of uses
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17:21.08Titan8990_enlightenment is a nice wm that takes full advantage of compositing
17:21.13Titan8990_little underdeveloped though
17:21.14Sindikatso, who uses unstable branch in their repositories?
17:21.19dsdeizhmm, i just invoked the command ps ux. iceweasel is the one that's topping %CPU and %MEM
17:21.25dsdeizfollowed by weechat
17:21.31Titan8990_Sindacious, hopefully only people running sid
17:21.44pawbiedsdeiz: I blame flash.
17:21.47Titan8990_dsdeiz, sounds about right
17:22.07Titan8990_well, web browser from my experience don't have any issues eating 100mb of RAM even w/o flash
17:22.18dsdeizpawbie: i think i'll blame my opened gmail and facebook :D
17:22.29Sindikata
17:22.30Titan8990_atleast iceweasel and opera.... but i also keep A LOT of tabs open
17:22.32rgrdsdeiz: try htop. I have it hotkeyed in xmonad :-;
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17:22.39Sindikatdsdeiz: try uzbl, haha
17:22.44NoCodeCan someone help me pin sid to install gwibber? I'm not exactly sure how to do it, and backports info is too much. I've been googling for the last half hour to find a tutorial
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17:22.50stewhah, i WISH there was a way to get iceweasel to eat only 100mb
17:23.12Titan8990_NoCode, if you are not using sid, you have probably have to ssb
17:23.18dsdeiznah, i think i'm still good with it. anyways, thanks guys! gotta go to sleep.. night ;)
17:23.27Titan8990_NoCode, no you will have issues with mismatched glibc or other various things
17:23.36sandmanI'm looking for a way to verify the integrity of my Debian DVD's. I found "checkiso" referenced from the Debian homepage. However, I was hoping there'd be something better.
17:23.36NoCode=\
17:23.52SindikatSo nobody has problems with "shared-mime-info" package?
17:23.53valdynsandman: "md5sum"
17:23.57sandmanSeems checkiso is actually checkisomd5, and requires that one run implantisomd5 on the iso first
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17:24.17sandmanRight, except that when I run md5sum on a DVD, it always returns a non-matching md5sum
17:24.28valdynsandman: thats padding
17:24.30sandmanEven if I had just verified the burn with K3B or some such moments before.
17:24.45sandmanOh.
17:24.46yareckonSindikat, dunno, my system is down right now
17:24.47stewNoCode: you shouldn't be mixing stable with non-stable.  you should be backporting
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17:25.04valdynsandman: you need to read only as many bytes off the dvd as the original iso is large
17:25.15NoCodeAs you said the package isn't in backports
17:25.16sandmanSeems like a headache.
17:25.37valdynsandman: seems like a basic feature of "dd"
17:25.37NoCodeIs mostly everyone running sid?
17:25.39sandmanAnd actually I've been using sha1sum, not md5sum, as of late.
17:25.52Sindikatthis package has some strange dependency problems: it requires libglib, libgnomevfs2-0 and tracker be below some exact versions.
17:25.57sandmanvaldyn: Okay, so dd if=/dev/hda | md5sum
17:25.58sandman?
17:25.58NoCodeShould I upgrade to sid?
17:26.04beardyNo.
17:26.13stewNoCode: yes, its not in backports, which is why I'm telling you that you should be backporting it
17:26.14pawbieNoCode: Do you like things not working? ;)
17:26.28gravityIf you ask that question, the answer is usually no
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17:26.42NoCodealright =\
17:26.42valdynsandman: yes, except that you arent restricting the number of bytes to read
17:26.56Sindikatheh, i'm using sid (=
17:27.05sandmanvaldyn: Okay. Well, after the burn is made, and I don't have the .iso anymore
17:27.15sandmanJust the DVD, how am I supposed to determine these numbers?
17:27.19pawbieNoCode: Squeeze is next to be stable.  Still has it's moments, but if you want near-bleeding edge...  Otherwise, just stick to Lenny.
17:27.20NoCodeIf you microblog, what do you use as a multi client in lenny?
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17:27.48valdynsandman: im not sure where the size is stored, maybe you need to look at ftp.us.debian.org
17:28.04valdyn!tell NoCode -about ask
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17:28.24amsterdamhi, does some know an easy way to backup/restore or clone the lvm layout to an other machine ?
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17:28.33sandmanvaldyn: Yeah, but what if I don't have an internet connection
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17:28.42sandmanThat's the whole point of downloading the DVD's =)
17:29.04NoCodeI'm not asking for a statistic. I just want a client that works half decently. :(
17:29.10valdynsandman: the .md5 file could have the size
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17:29.29pawbieNoCode: What are you trying to do?
17:29.38valdynsandman: but if you dont have the original md5 sum then theres no way to verifiy the correctness of that dvd
17:29.40raidghostif its 2 ADsl lines connected to the computer. Is there any possible way to say Transmission should use eth1 and all other services should use eth0 ?
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17:30.06NoCodepawbie, I want a microblogging client that works alright in lenny that works with both twitter, and identica
17:30.26valdynNoCode: what does google tell you about that?
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17:30.36sandmanvaldyn: Well, I have the md5sums
17:30.41sandmanI downloaded those already =)
17:30.53pawbieNoCode: Ya, google that.  I found one for shell.  I don't suppose that's what you're looking for.
17:31.00sandmanBut md5sum /dev/hda doesn't work.
17:31.04sandmanDoesn't match the iso md5's
17:31.06NoCodevaldyn, I've been searching on google for more than a half hour.
17:31.19sandmanAnd you're saying I must know the exact size of the iso file?
17:31.35sandmanAnd then I have to whip out a calculator and do some math? Divide the size of the ISO by its block size or something like that
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17:31.40sandmanAnd come up with a count parameter for dd?
17:32.00sandmanAnd then what if it doesn't add up perfectly? I need to pull out my math book and visor and start punching numbers?
17:32.04valdynNoCode: "linux+client+for+twitter+and+identica" works
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17:32.13sandmanThis all seems like a bit much to just verify the integrity of a burned CD at a date later than when I burned it.
17:32.20pawbieNoCode: Ever consider downloading a building gwibber?
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17:33.03EagleScreenif i have a disk of 150GB, and i make a dd image of it, will the image size be 150GB or only the used space in the disk?
17:33.18valdynEagleScreen: 150G
17:33.32sandmanWell, if that's seriously what one needs to do, I guess I'll start writing a script
17:33.36EagleScreenno way to copy only used space as partimage does?
17:33.46rgrcd /etc/X11
17:33.50rgroops
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17:33.52NoCodepawbie, no, don't think I can do it. I'll end up failing unless I can find a well written tutorial on building gwibber
17:33.58valdynEagleScreen: the way doing it is partimage, why do you need 2 ways?
17:34.12EagleScreendoes àrtimage support ext4?
17:34.16sandmanvaldyn: What do you think of this?: http://howto.wikia.com/wiki/Howto_verify_a_burned_CD_or_DVD_image_on_Linux
17:34.19pawbieEagleScreen: Ghost and g4u, I think.
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17:34.56valdynsandman: it compares dvd to image, hows that useful for you?
17:35.14sylecnThanks guys. Finally I fix the my problem. I disabled the input hotplugging, and force x to use input configs in xorg.conf  Now my keys finally work as usual. The solution is mentioned here: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging#I_don.27t_want_this_crap.2C_how_do_I_turn_it_off.3F
17:35.15EagleScreenthen if i choose ext3 filesystem for a ext4 in partimage, it may works..
17:35.28valdynsandman: there already is "cmp" to compare 2 files
17:36.12valdynsandman: so i consider this script worthless
17:36.21sandmanvaldyn: Well, it grabs the isoinfo, which could be stored later
17:36.27sandmanalong with the md5
17:37.04rgrapparently install of gnupg-agent should create /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent but not here. Any ideas why not?
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17:37.24stewrgr: "/msg dpkg confmiss" ?
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17:38.04sandmanvaldyn: Well, what would you suggest?
17:38.07sandmanIf not that script
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17:38.46rgrstew: thanks
17:38.49starenkahi all. i'm trying to make a script which shows which pkgs installed on system could be upraded to newer versions via backports. how can i list available pkgs in certain repo?
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17:39.49valdynsandman: you can probably reuse parts of that script
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17:41.31stewstarenka: "aptitude search '~U'" searches for upgradable packages.  this wouldn't show backports unless you've altered your pinning though.
17:41.58starenkastew: i did. awsome! thanks a million
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17:42.18Titan8990_starenka, its best to use backports on a as-needed basis
17:43.04konr_I need to fsck the HD of a computer that has no display. Is there a rescue CD that automatically sets a ssh server?
17:43.52starenkaTitan8990_: i know, i was just wandering "what's in the shop"
17:44.32Titan8990_konr_, i THINK systemrescuecd does
17:44.51Titan8990_konr_, but you could use shutdown -F or use tune2fs to set it get checked on next mount/boot
17:45.08Titan8990_or temp edit of /etc/fstab.....
17:45.27stewor "touch /forcefsck"
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17:48.48justinthat's what shutdown -F does
17:49.07justinthat won't help you much if it asks you to type 'y'
17:49.27justinkonr_: d-i has a ssh server in it, you'd have a build a custom CD to get it to start the ssh server though :)
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17:49.57sandmanvaldyn: BTW: Does iso9660 had built-in error detection? That is, not necessarily md5.
17:50.38valdynsandman: yes but thats totally transparent to you afaik
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17:51.05valdynsandman: err, *disks* have that, iso9660 has no error correnction whatsoever
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17:51.50stickfigureDoes anyone know what software i can use to clean up a jpg photo i took on my phone?
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17:52.03valdynstickfigure: gimp
17:52.04stickfigureSomething good ofcourse
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17:54.33stickfigurevaldyn: does gimp have a focus feature?
17:54.40stickfigureI need to be able to read the words
17:55.10valdyn!gimp
17:55.10dpkgrumour has it, gimp is the GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program.  It is a freely distributed piece of software for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring.  It works on many operating systems, in many languages.  http://gimp.org/  #gimp-users #gimp (on irc.gimp.org).
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17:57.19jamesstanleymy system load is 2. 96% of my cpu usage is in "wa" according to top, but the disks don't sound to be thrashing
17:57.23jamesstanleyanyone know what's going on?
17:57.44valdynjamesstanley: network pipe is full
17:57.54jamesstanleyok
17:57.59jamesstanleyhow can i find out if that's the case?
17:58.35jamesstanleyor more to the point, how can i find out what is causing it? like what process is using it all (either receiving or sending)
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17:58.57valdynjamesstanley: %wa means that at least one process is waiting for disk or network
17:59.14valdynjamesstanley: try iotop or iftop
17:59.20jamesstanleyhald-addon-storage is in D state according to ps aux
17:59.36jamesstanleyi'll get iotop
17:59.48jamesstanleyas is hald-probe-volume
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18:00.30jamesstanleydisk read and write are both 0B/s according to iotop
18:00.38jamesstanleyoccasionally has a burst of 18KB/s
18:00.40jamesstanleyroughly
18:01.16jamesstanleyrates are all 0b according to iftop
18:01.22jamesstanley2KB
18:01.23jamesstanleyone of them is
18:01.29jamesstanleyoh i get it
18:01.33abrotmandid you remove a hot-pluggable device ?
18:01.42jamesstanleyi never inserted a hot-pluggable device
18:01.45jamesstanleyso no
18:01.59jamesstanleyhmm
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18:02.03jamesstanleydoes my kvm switch count?
18:02.05jamesstanleyit's a usb one
18:02.27jamesstanleyi don't use it for any storage though
18:02.31jamesstanleyjust keyboard and mouse
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18:03.31c03hi
18:03.34jamesstanleyhi
18:03.37c03I installed debian on an x40
18:03.42c03but I can't get audio working
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18:03.54c03it's an ac 97 intel integrated sound device
18:04.01c03tried googling the problem, no success
18:04.33AL-Hadihi
18:05.15abrotmanc03: which version of debian? which kernel?
18:05.42c032.6.26-2-686
18:05.50c03version 5
18:06.06abrotmanc03: can you put `lspci -nn` in a pastebin ?
18:06.13c03sure
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18:06.50acidtripperupdate alsa drivers
18:07.00c03http://deb.pastebin.com/m11089ab1
18:07.01acidtripperdownload from alsa webpage and compile it
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18:07.17c03I can't just apt-get it?
18:07.26acidtripper./configure --include-card-snd-hda-intel
18:07.31acidtripperor something like that was
18:07.32ghostmanhttp://www.brenda.geek/index.php/Cryptsetup
18:07.35acidtripperNOOO
18:07.48c03meh, okay
18:07.50acidtripperbecouse your using stable and that drivers are old
18:07.53justinisn't an x40 an OLD laptop?
18:07.53acidtripperi suppose
18:07.58jamesstanleyvaldyn: i did /etc/init.d/hal stop, the %wa stayed high. Killing the two hald-* processes (which remained running even with /etc/init.d/hal stop) took by %wa down to 0
18:08.05c03justin: sure, but it rocks! =)
18:08.07justini find it hard to believe that it needs bleeding edge also
18:08.13acidtripperwhat pc you have?
18:08.15harkc03: run speaker-test -c2 -twav
18:08.15justinc03: yeah, I just setup one for someone with ubuntu on it
18:08.42joepacould anyone here recommend a good web hosting company in the US? I need ssl, smtp, perl/cgi, and a solid network
18:09.10c03hark: I don't have speaker-test
18:09.11acidtripperjoepa mount your own server
18:09.20pawbiejoepa: Sounds like a cookie cutter web host.
18:09.26acidtripperyou need http server too?
18:09.32acidtripperor only for mail?
18:09.39justinc03: what is your actual problem?
18:09.44c03no sound
18:09.49joepaacidtripper: https
18:09.52justinc03: did you increase the volume?
18:09.53c03i don't run x btw
18:10.06c03mp3blaster didn't find any audio devices
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18:10.16justinc03: lets try this again
18:10.18justinc03: what is your actual problem?
18:10.19jamesstanleyc03: if you pipe /dev/urandom to /dev/dsp does it make noise?
18:10.23joepapawbie: I've tried a couple of the cookie cutters, and I've had some bad experiences
18:10.41acidtripperupdate alsa!
18:10.46justinacidtripper: stop.
18:10.48acidtripperand alsa-driver
18:10.48joepapawbie: I'm looking for a company that someone on here can vouch for
18:10.53acidtripperjustin?
18:10.55acidtrippersorry?
18:11.00justinacidtripper: talk less. listen more.
18:11.05jamesstanleyjoepa: i'll vouch for setting up your own server
18:11.12pawbiejoepa: If you're not feeling experimental, go with GoDaddy and 1and1.  Zzzz.
18:11.26justinc03: what does cat /proc/asound/cards show?
18:11.31c03jamesstanley: no
18:11.36simonrvngodaddy sucks
18:11.48acidtripperjustin: you dont know anything.. im sure his problem is about driver
18:12.01c03Angie:/home/c03# cat /proc/asound/cards
18:12.02c03<PROTECTED>
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18:12.08justinacidtripper: you are sure huh? seriously. stop talking.
18:12.21acidtripperi will stop talking if i want
18:12.32joepajamesstanley: I already run my own Debian server, but I've found that I don't have the time to do proper upkeep and security auditing, now that I'm going to grad school fulltime :-/
18:12.35acidtripperyou aren't the channel owner
18:12.48LobbyZHi so
18:12.49harkacidtripper: c03 doesn't need new drivers
18:12.51LobbyZi need some serious help
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18:12.57acidtrippermaybe
18:13.03LobbyZlast time i tried doing this made me reinstall the VPS
18:13.03acidtripperbut justin is an asshole
18:13.12LobbyZbut what is an good mailclient and how do i install it?
18:13.28c03justin: it's mp3blaster, fails to open sounddevice
18:13.29pawbieLobbyZ: mutt.  apt-get mutt
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18:13.35LobbyZmutt?
18:13.36jamesstanley*install
18:13.46acidtripper"Debian users ar normal Linux users whose brains had been washed
18:13.47pawbieoh ya
18:13.49acidtripper"
18:13.59LobbyZI'll read what mutt is
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18:14.04pawbieLobbyZ: Seriously, though, just go get Thunderbird.  Or use Evolution (installed by default with the gnome-desktop).
18:14.12LobbyZits a VPS
18:14.13jamesstanleyacidtripper: why are you even here if you just want to troll and insult debian users?
18:14.25LobbyZI like don't have any access to any GUIs
18:14.31LobbyZonly ssh
18:14.35acidtripperim not insulting i was helpint and a stupid is makeing me to shut up
18:14.41acidtripperhelping*
18:14.43harkc03: pastebin amixer output or install alsa-utils
18:14.47pawbieLobbyZ: Oh.  mutt, pine, mail, elm
18:14.51jamesstanleyhark: he isn't here
18:14.52pawbieI like mutt and pine.
18:14.56jamesstanleyoh he is he came back
18:14.56jamesstanleymy bad
18:15.01LobbyZAlright
18:15.03acidtripperin order to do alsaconf
18:15.05LobbyZat the moment, mutt seems nice
18:15.38c03hark: doing it =)
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18:16.47LobbyZpawbie, i seem to fail to find any mutt screenshots
18:16.49LobbyZhappen to have any?
18:17.10c03just did alsaconf
18:17.14c03mp3blaster still complains
18:17.58harkc03: run the speaker-test command now
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18:18.08ghostmanhttp://wiki.opennic.glue/files/domain_hosts/geek-links.html
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18:18.31c03hark: Works, beautifully =)
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18:18.52jonathan1Hello, i'm now on the grml live cd trying to install libc6 in the root of the linux system of the hard drive
18:19.01LobbyZHm
18:19.05jonathan1i used dpkg --root /mnt/main-root --unpack libc6
18:19.07LobbyZi can't find any good email clients
18:19.22LobbyZI don't dare do squirrelmail as it managed to destroy my VPS
18:19.37jonathan1but then says that it tries to replace libc6 2.9, the version of libc6 of gmrl
18:19.45harkc03: so, it's probably just mp3blaster
18:19.49lunkLobbyZ: you may consider just forwarding all email to gmail and being done with it
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18:19.56jonathan1but i just want it to extract the content of the package
18:20.00Phurlhi all , where can i find the latest ffmpeg svn head debs?
18:20.02LobbyZlunk, i currently got it to spam my hotmail
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18:20.19arezeyi've got a laptop with ati radeon 3200, accelerated, on debian squeeze (just upgraded), and i've got screen flikering from the borders. been fine for the last ten months, but recently began flickering like this
18:20.22LobbyZbut i need a email client so i can manage and give out emails to my users
18:20.36c03hark: you are correct =P
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18:20.53lunkLobbyZ: you want to manage user accounts with a client?
18:20.57pawbielobbyz: All of the apps I named are all console apps.  I doubt you'll be finding many screenshots.
18:21.01LobbyZEh no, lunk
18:21.04arezeymy xorg.conf is a pretty basic one: http://pastebin.com/d7b61898e
18:21.09LobbyZlunk, i use my VPS to provide free BNCs
18:21.13LobbyZand i currently got 54 users
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18:21.44LobbyZI want a email client so i can give them free inboxes (small ones) and a master one so they can send questions and so to it
18:21.49jonathan1can i somehow just extract the contents of a deb archive
18:21.52LobbyZI'm explaining bad i know
18:21.58abrotmanjonathan1: ar x foo.deb
18:21.58pawbieLobbyZ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mutt.png
18:22.04pawbiejonathan1: Open it with file-roller
18:22.08jonathan1ahh, thank you
18:22.12jonathan1i have no x at the moment
18:22.13LobbyZpawbie, oh if it looks like that then no thanks
18:22.17ubuntuhey, im trying to upgrade a rather old debian system (2.4 kernel), and im trying to figure out which version of linux-image-2.6 i should install. I have an intel centrino processor. Should i use linux-image-2.6-486 or 686 or something else?
18:22.42pawbieLobbyZ: What did you expect a console app over ssh to look like? ;)  Here's pine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PineScreenShot.png
18:22.53petemcubuntu: you'll want to be careful upgrading something that old
18:23.10arezeyubuntu, #debian != #ubuntu btw.
18:23.19LobbyZpawbie, lol. Guess i didn't read it very good but i'm looking for a webclient i guess
18:23.23acidtripper2.6.30!
18:23.39harkubuntu: you should read the release notes and upgrade release to release
18:23.49pawbieLobbyZ: OH!  I like roundcube.  Horde and Squirrel are the mainstays, I think.  Roundcube is much more straightforward than Horde and Squirrel.
18:24.00LobbyZoh?
18:24.10abrotmanubuntu: it depends which version of debian the system is currently on
18:24.11LobbyZWould you kindly help me install roundcube?
18:24.12ubuntupetemc: i know, and its not in production.. btw, i AM running debian - this is a live cd from another computer :-)
18:24.15pawbieLobbyZ: Ya.  It's pretty much untar and go.
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18:24.45pawbieLobbyZ: The instructions are really easy and right on the site - http://roundcube.net/
18:24.56ubuntuabrotman: hmm. so how do i figure out that?
18:25.13petemcubuntu: whatever its purpose, attempting to upgrade some ancient release to lenny will likely break
18:25.29abrotmanubuntu: look at /etc/apt/sources.list or your kernel version or your libc6 version
18:25.38harkc03: if you modprobe snd-pcm-oss, does it work then?
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18:26.59LobbyZpawbie, would you mind if i PMed you?
18:27.07ubuntupetemc: crap... this is going to be fun :-) . Well, so the recomended strategy in this case is really just to suck it up and reinstall? (im accessing it over ssh at a datacenter)
18:27.12c03hark: NICE! =D
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18:27.16c03what did it do?
18:27.27acidtripperubuntu: use archlinux
18:27.38petemcubuntu: if its sarge it shouldnt be a problem
18:27.38acidtripperthats a good strategy
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18:28.05ubuntupetemc: i *think* its sarge. last time someone ran apt-get dist-upgrade was about a year ago i think.
18:28.27abrotmanubuntu: what is the current libc6 ?
18:28.32petemcubuntu: see what abrotman said
18:28.36harkc03: it wasn't using alsa, but was looking for oss (/dev/dsp). we just used alsa oss emulation now
18:28.51abrotmanubuntu: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
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18:29.48ubuntuabrotman:  i got: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7
18:29.50c03okay, thanks alot hark =) truly awesome help! =)
18:29.55pawbieLobbyZ: Have to go to a staff meeting.
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18:30.35abrotmanubuntu: uh .. you have a sarge kernel and an etch libc6 .. that's not awesome
18:30.39Rprp`Hi, my server got rooted by the 'rathole-1.2' rootkit - i have googled a lot, tried to look on security sites, but cant find any solution to remove this rootkit (Yes, i tried rkhunter and stuff) - does someone maybe know how i can remove this one?
18:31.06abrotmanubuntu: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin
18:31.59LobbyZHm. Whats the command to install mysql and phpmyadmin?
18:32.06valdynRprp`: you are using ubuntu?
18:32.08ubuntuabrotman:  done: http://pastebin.com/m539d2d9
18:32.19simonrvnsometimes wonders what people do to get into trouble like that... 'not paying attention i guess...'
18:32.27abrotmanicky ...
18:32.29Rprp`valdyn: Using debian
18:32.36Titan8990_abrotman, that shouldn't be a valid name on this chan
18:32.42abrotmanubuntu: change everywhere that it says 'stable' to 'etch'
18:33.09Titan8990_thats a lot of different repos
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18:33.22abrotmanubuntu: then read the release notes for sarge->etch .. then if you want to go to lenny, we'll talk after that
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18:33.45abrotmanubuntu: now for your kernel you should be able to install linux-image-686 *after* you change your sources.list
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18:34.02abrotmanubuntu: wait .. what does 'uname -a' say ?
18:34.03valdynRprp`: removintg that rootkit does not fix your box
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18:34.26ubuntuabrotman: okay! its done. ill just do apt-get update/dist-upgrade, then install linux-image-686 right?
18:34.45Titan8990_Rprp`, yeah... that box is toast
18:34.46ubuntuabrotman:  uname gives me: Linux kubus.netgroup 2.4.25-1-386 #1 Tue Feb 24 08:11:13 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
18:34.56EagleScreenancient kernel
18:34.58Rprp`valdyn: i know, but, i want to be safe before they rip all my website's heh
18:35.13ubuntuabrotman: ah, theres my answer, 686! :-)
18:35.16abrotmanubuntu: the best you can hope for is to try the linux-image-686
18:35.18valdynRprp`: you arent going to be safe by removing that rootkit
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18:35.39Titan8990_not to mention containing a name google doesn't know about
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18:35.52valdynRprp`: http://www.packetstormsecurity.org/UNIX/penetration/rootkits/indexdate.html
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18:36.07Titan8990_err or maybe not in english....
18:36.10ubuntuabrotman: ill just try to upgrade and see what happends. if it fails, i think i will reinstall it. its been running for a long time without a reboot and proper maintainance.
18:36.12valdynRprp`: get the rootkit, find the binaries, remove the binaries and probably an init script
18:36.19ubuntuabrotman: thanks a lot for the help!
18:36.20valdynRprp`: thats not going to make your box safe though
18:36.29simonrvnRprp`: you're gonna have to audit everything on that thing, and wipe the rest
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18:36.38Rprp`hmm oke, so.. only a reinstall will help
18:36.40valdynRprp`: ( get the rootkit and compile it as that might help you find the binaries )
18:36.49valdynRprp`: right
18:36.54Rprp`Got it, that guy left the source doe there, lol
18:37.03Rprp`But.. well
18:37.04valdynRprp`: this is only a relatively simple daemon, its not an exploit
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18:37.51Rprp`http://pastebin.org/18137 - thats the 'configuration' , but.. well, all i have to do is kill the bash stuff?
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18:44.23jonathan1after copying all the files of the libc6 package i accidentaly deleted back to the root, is there something i should run to make things work again?
18:44.33c03hey hark, im back
18:44.43c03now it doesn't work for another user
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18:45.12oxihi
18:45.24harkc03: make sure the user is in the audio group
18:45.43c03=O how do I add it to the audio group?
18:45.55c03(and remove it from every other group, it's my partyuser =P)
18:46.14moty66I found this on my apche2 log, what does it mean   85.190.0.3 - - [15/Sep/2009:18:12:46 +0200] "CONNECT 213.92.8.7:31204 HTTP/1.0" 200 - "-" "-"
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18:47.38harkc03: adduser foouser audio, logout and login
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18:48.20valdynoxi: /var is for dynamic content, /usr/ for static content
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18:48.27harkc03: you can check with 'groups'
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18:48.56Kevin`how can I make an entry in interfaces depend on another entry?
18:49.08c03hark: k, thanks
18:50.29valdynKevin`: not needed, you probably just need something like "pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up"
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18:51.43Kevin`would it be dangerous to do like 'pre-up ifup somethingelse'?
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18:52.31Kevin`http://pastebin.ca/1567333
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18:52.47Kevin`^my current file, if you have an suggestions on better ways to do things
18:52.56valdynKevin`: i think that would be ok
18:52.57Kevin`it is not complete, btw, there's more to add to it
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18:54.24Kevin`it works like that, but I don't like relying on the order in the file
18:54.41Kevin`and 5 layers or whatever of nested ifup doesn't seem ideal either
18:54.50justinKevin`: why do you have 2 bridges like that?
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18:56.11Arrowmasterjonathan1: i did that once, i just copied the missing file i needed before i could get anything to work into /usr/local then used aptitude to force reinstall libc6, then removed the file from /usr/local
18:56.24Kevin`justin: so a guest can be assigned to either
18:57.28c03exit
18:57.30c03doh...
18:58.38justinKevin`: ah, I suppose that is fine then
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19:01.03Kevin`eh, I suppose it works. as long as the network scripts don't try to start more then one at once
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19:01.58Superbartt!ask
19:01.58dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:03.42uwjesdIs there a tutorial for tunneling x apps over ssh. I found some but they talk about sshd 2 which lenny does not have. The config options they describe wont work with the version we have.
19:04.08abrotman!tell uwjesd about sshx
19:04.09abrotmanlike that ?
19:04.59uwjesdYes, that has the missing puzzle piece
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19:06.46dkayargh, i hope someone can hep me. i have recieved the 20th mail of an cron which cant be executed but this cron isnt in crontab listed.
19:07.01oxivaldyn: thanks
19:07.19dkaywhat can i do to locate the cron entry? "grep RELATEDCONTEND /etc* wont give me the needed entry
19:07.35oxivaldyn: how do I decide if anything should be /var (dynamic) or /usr (static) ?
19:07.51oxivaldyn: this might be trivial for a debianian
19:07.58uwjesdNope did not change a thing.
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19:09.08dkaythis is the subject of this mail: test -x /etc/init.d/sendmail && /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail cron-msp
19:09.19dkaybut when i do a: grep test -x /etc/init.d/sendmail && /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail cron-msp /etc/*
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19:09.32dkayi cant found it! how to locate this cron? some help?
19:10.01justindkay: you meant grep -r
19:10.09justinand /etc/ not /etc/*
19:10.20glasyalaboliswhat site does #debian prefer for pasting things?
19:10.27abrotmanpaste.debian.net
19:10.34glasyalabolisabrotman: thanks
19:10.39dkaygrep -r? ive given this command: grep sendmail /etc/*
19:10.44justinNO!
19:10.49justingrep -r
19:10.55justin/etc not /etc/*
19:11.02dkayill try
19:11.03dkayokay
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19:12.22datacrusherhi everyone, is there a way to configure x server so it goes up even if a monitor isnt attatched to the pc?
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19:12.40glasyalabolisI'm trying to configure the touchpad on my Acer Aspire 4720z with the program gpointing-device-settings and I get this error when running the program. The output is the same when run as root. http://paste.debian.net/46627/
19:12.46justin!wayttd datacrusher
19:12.46dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, datacrusher?
19:12.49dkaywow well thanks, ive fount it at: /etc/cron.d/sendmail:*/20 *    *    *    *              smmsp   test -x /etc/init.d/sendmail && /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail cron-msp
19:13.01dkaywhat is this cron for? it is an default entry!
19:13.03datacrusheri have a computer here that i access via vnc, and i need the x server to go up, so i can access it remotely.
19:13.06oxiHow can I locate the home directory of a user?
19:13.08yaaargot an interesting message trying to install libpam0g-dev: Depends: libpam0g (= 1.0.1-5) but 1.0.1-5+lenny1 is installed.
19:13.18justindatacrusher: no, you don't
19:13.18oxiAnd where is the home directory of a user specified?
19:13.18datacrusherbut, the place that it is, i cant let the monitor plugged all the time
19:13.31justindatacrusher: install one of the vnc servers, run a vnc server
19:13.40oxiand do daemons usually have a home directory or not?
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19:14.06oxiactually I mean the users under which the daemons are running, ofcourse
19:14.30yaaaroxi: a user's homedir is identified in /etc/passwd, and is usually /home/<username> or /usr/home/<username>
19:15.03datacrusherjustin, well, how do i access this computer via vnc then? is there a vnc server that i can access the x server remotely, even if it didnt started on the server because of lack of the monitor?
19:15.04yaaaroxi: some (but probably not most) daemons run as a specific user who has a homedirectory
19:15.09oxiyaaar: does that also apply for daemon's home's like tomcat:adm in Squeeze?
19:15.27justindatacrusher: apt-cache search vnc server
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19:15.48yaaaroxi: not familiar with squeeze, but probably. if files are owned by tomcat, you should be able to look in /etc/passwd and see whether that user has a homedir
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19:16.11oxiyaaar: thanks a lot for explaining this!
19:16.15yaaarnp
19:16.15justindatacrusher: vnc4server tightvncserver
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19:17.05datacrusherjustin, but... if the xserver dont go up, the vnc server dont start.
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19:17.18justindatacrusher: you are mis informed.
19:17.22datacrusherif i needed only the text console, i would use ssh
19:17.24datacrusherhmmm
19:17.40datacrusherill read some more then
19:17.57noobWinIs it possible to install wireless support first with a network installer cd to continue downloading everything else off cable?
19:17.58roeI have a fresh install of lenny and there seems to be something afoot with the nic.  I can't  seem to pull faster than 5KB/s from apt (multiple sources)
19:18.27justinroe: test using something other than apt
19:18.43roedid, wget shows the same behavior
19:19.44czesmirwhat is best bash or dash?
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19:19.53justinroe: use iperf
19:19.53abrotman!tell noobWin about installer firmware
19:20.11noobWinAh!
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19:21.15noobWinMeh, that info could be on the debian.org/CD/netinst page, hidden behind some clever links
19:21.35wildc4rd_evening all
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19:22.04roejustin, I need two ends? or are there public iperf servers available?
19:22.16abrotmannoobWin: it's not officially supported, that's why it's not there
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19:22.23justinroe: that depends, do you want to test your NIC or your internet connection?
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19:22.38roewell I only have one linux box on network
19:22.47themillczesmir: best for what?
19:22.53justinroe: you can get iperf for windows
19:22.54noobWinAlright, sneekydebstuff
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19:23.12roetesting to the internet is fine
19:23.18abrotmannoobWin: there's also an unofficial repo that removes all bits of firmware from your kernel
19:23.24EroreCan I view only packages that were removed but their config files are still present in aptitude?
19:23.26roewhile it won't be conclusive it will be a start
19:23.35abrotmanErore: dpkg -l | egrep "^rc"
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19:23.48noobWinWell I won't be needing that just yet
19:23.52abrotmanErore: or uhm .. if you wait i'lll try to figure out the aptitude incantation
19:24.08noobWinI'll take me a while until I get the guys to try optimizing my installation
19:24.14noobWinguts*
19:24.29Eroreabrotman: I just want to purge them all and don't want to go through the list
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19:25.58abrotmanErore: aptitude search "~c"
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19:28.01noobWinInstead I'll be using intel firmware, and ATI, can't recall if those still came as bin. only. A relatively unimportant but a curious exercise in compatibility will be the TV tuner card in this computer
19:28.22abrotmanfglrx ?
19:28.29noobWinUh?
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19:28.39Eroreabrotman: thanks!
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19:28.54hedkandipython-qt4:
19:28.54hedkandi<PROTECTED>
19:28.58hedkandiwhat does that mean?
19:29.10abrotmanhedkandi: which version of debian ?
19:29.14DeSian_can some one tell me why in debian tracking the LXDE is 4.2.1 last version, but with apt-cache policy lxde is a same version with Lenny?
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19:29.25hedkandiubuntu hardy
19:29.34abrotmanhedkandi: ask #ubuntu
19:29.40hedkandii did
19:29.45noobWinI don't get it why debian.org has to name IA-32/x86-32 'i386' It
19:29.54noobWin's unsettling :(
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19:30.01abrotmanhedkandi: ask them again, we cannot support ubuntu here.
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19:30.08DeSian_old version noobWin "uname -r"
19:30.10hedkandiubuntu is debian
19:30.13abrotmanno, it's not
19:30.15LjLhedkandi: no it's not
19:30.19hedkandiwhy not?
19:30.23ranixhow do you figure it is?
19:30.25stewhedkandi: its off-topic for this channel
19:30.30LjLhedkandi: ask THAT in #ubuntu-offtopic
19:30.30abrotmanhedkandi: if ubuntu were debian, it would be called Debian
19:30.35ranixthere is a #ubuntu just for you
19:30.38ranixcya
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19:30.44DeSian_hedkandi, correct the stilling package from debian but the are not debian
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19:31.15jamesstanleydoes tripe tame horses?
19:31.20DeSian_ok back to my question
19:31.26jamesstanleyoops wrong channel sorry
19:31.31noobWinstilling?
19:31.40noobWinis that like RPM being stilled?
19:31.42DeSian_sab sarab
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19:33.11DeSian_i use testing but the lxde is old version available to installing, but in debian package from testing sya ne version from lxde!!?
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19:34.25DeSian_i believe abrotman understand that :)
19:35.07abrotmanuh .. what?
19:35.37noobWinEverything
19:35.41ranixabrotman: you don't understand what which anyone out the look more like?
19:35.48noobWinHe lives here 25/8, so he must
19:35.56abrotmanranix: you stilling more than me
19:36.31hamboarhi, i have added in if-up.d some route rules, at boot the rules are processed and all is ok but with ip route show 4 times the same rules... why?
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19:36.34DeSian_abrotman, LXDE is version 4.2.1 in tracking system from squeeze but i use squeeze is still the old version 3.2.1 SVN
19:36.39abrotmanoh .. gotcha
19:36.48abrotmanDeSian_: i thought you were talking about hte ubuntu guy
19:36.51yaaaranyboy know why i'm getting this message trying to install libpam0g-dev: Depends: libpam0g (= 1.0.1-5) but 1.0.1-5+lenny1 is installed.
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19:37.09DeSian_abrotman, i was, and never be ubuntu user >>>
19:37.11DeSian_never
19:37.17abrotmanhurts
19:37.27abrotmanDeSian_: aptitude install lxde .. what does it say ?
19:37.43ranixDeSian_: do you have a native language that might be more helpful to you to receive assistance in?
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19:38.00DeSian_the old version be installed, and apt-cache policy lxde the same "!
19:38.10themillyaaar: "apt-get update" should solve that.
19:38.12abrotmanDeSian_: put your sources.list in a pastebin
19:38.17DeSian_ranix, WTF
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19:38.27ranixDeSian_: I didn't mean to be offensive
19:38.46CodyWhat's the best way to view stats on the amount of data going through the network interface? I want to be see if the link is being saturated on a web server.
19:38.52abrotmantakes a good whiff of ranix
19:38.59DeSian_abrotman, oh i thought is from Copenhagen uni , that is why
19:39.00ranixdo I smell foul?
19:39.01abrotmanCody: iftop, jnettop
19:39.03DeSian_i change it
19:39.08stewCody: iptraf is another
19:39.18martianlobsterI am looking for a program called mdump, for dumping multicast feeds.  apt-cache search mdump doesn't find anything.  Does anyone know which package cocntains mdump?  Is there another way to search other than apt-cache search?
19:39.23Codyabrotman, stew: Thanks!
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19:39.43DeSian_i change my sources.list
19:39.52hamboarhi, i have added in if-up.d some route rules, at boot the rules are processed and all is ok but ip route show repeated 4 times the same rules... why?
19:40.26yaaarthemill: i tried aptitude update and it still said the same thing...is that not equivalent?
19:40.31ranixDeSian_: if you pastebinit -i /etc/apt/sources.list we can look at it for you if you want
19:41.21themillyaaar: It should be. Can you please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libpam0g-dev libpam0g"
19:41.45yaaarsure, one sec
19:42.38stewhamboar: i'd recommend moving the commands to an "up" line for the particular interface in /etc/network/interfaces
19:42.38asgmartianlobster: apt-file
19:42.38martianlobsterasg thanks
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19:43.13yaaarthemill: http://pastebin.ca/1567396
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19:45.04themillyaaar: your main mirror ("debian.mirrors.pair.com") appears to be out of date. You might do well to use a different mirror
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19:45.50DeSianthemill, yes i changed to germany and worked
19:45.51KarlDEGERMANYGERMANY
19:46.04abrotmanKarlDE: do you need help?
19:46.06asgmushroom mushroom
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19:47.10LobbyZerr
19:47.11LobbyZso
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19:47.26LobbyZWhat can i do if i accidently removed the whole /etc/mysql/* folder?
19:47.41themillrestore it from a backup?
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19:47.52LobbyZwhere would that be?
19:48.00asgLobbyZ: /msg dpkg confmiss
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19:48.31martianlobsteri <3 apt-file searchc
19:48.41asgit is useful
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19:49.50sparrI did "dpkg -i" on a package that can't be installed because one of it's dependencies doesn't exist.  How can I resolve the situation so that I can install other packages normally?
19:49.55LobbyZroot@localhost:~# apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mysql-server;
19:49.55LobbyZE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
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19:50.07abrotmanthemill: do you live in germany ?
19:50.07KarlDEGERMANYGERMANY
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19:50.16LobbyZand if i do that then it'll hang
19:50.23LobbyZso what do i do?
19:50.25abrotmanKarlDE: you can msg an op when you fix your script to get unbanned
19:50.27ranixrofl
19:50.43LobbyZi've reinstalled the vps today, i don't wanna do it again
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19:51.22asgsparr: apt-get -f install
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19:51.34sparrasg: fails because the dependency doesn't exist
19:51.47sparrwell, doesn't FAIL
19:51.48hamboarstew: hi, i don't know how to use up rules only ip route add,  can you help?
19:51.53sparrinsists on uninstalling the package in question
19:51.56sparrwhich is unacceptable
19:52.00LobbyZso what do i do now?
19:52.12stewhamboar: "up ip route add..." (man interfaces, look for "up" or "post-up")
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19:52.36stewsparr: what is the missing dependency?
19:52.45sparrlibcrypto++7
19:52.58sparrwhy?
19:53.15stewsparr: "aptitude -f install" should install libcrypto++7
19:53.22stew(after the dpkg -i fails)
19:53.25hamboarstew: ok, thanks
19:53.39LobbyZOkay this is failing
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19:53.44sparrstew: I have unusual package pinning.  libcrypto++7 is really not available.
19:53.52SolarisBoyfail
19:54.14stewsparr: so download it from pdo and install it with dpkg -i
19:54.16asgsparr: then remote the package using dpkg with --force-depends (or whatever the manpage indicates is needed to turn failure into a warning)
19:54.30stewand then it will be removed later
19:54.34asgs/remote/remove/
19:54.39sparrasg: I don't want to remove the package.  the version I already have installed works.
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19:54.43stew--force-depends is only for THAT transaction, not "forget about the dependencies forever"
19:54.58LobbyZso
19:55.00sparrI only want to remove the "pending" installation of the new version
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19:55.02asgsparr: then follow stew's advice
19:55.05LobbyZseriously now, what do i do?
19:55.25sparrasg: how can I do it without installing libcrypto++7?
19:55.26asgLobbyZ: pastebin the output of the failure
19:55.27m_digeHi guys. My debian laptop seems very slow these days. Any idea of how I can determine what is using all my ressources ?
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19:55.36LobbyZasg, alright
19:55.40asgsparr: why not install it from pdo?
19:55.43mudddtop
19:55.51asgbottoms's up
19:55.59Jemt!ops _Kate_ is a spam bot
19:55.59dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jemt complains about: _Kate_ is a spam bot
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19:56.09sparrasg: because I no longer want it
19:56.15JemtI received a porno link from it
19:56.22abrotmanwe got it
19:56.36m_digewell htop/top does not show any thing wrong. I need something more detailed. Should I perhaps use some profiling tools?
19:56.39LobbyZasg, http://pastebin.com/f33e9a085
19:56.40JemtGoodie
19:57.04abrotmanlooks at a2 ..
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19:57.59mudddps aux
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19:58.05ranixmuddd: wrong window
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19:58.19mudddwoopsie
19:58.25DeSianhttp://paste.debian.net/46631/plain/46631
19:58.26m_digeabrotman: a2 - was that for me?
19:58.37DeSianwhat is about this error!
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19:58.48abrotmanm_dige: no
19:59.03KarlitasHello what is the search command to find a file? i am searching for a file called install.exe (using wine) in console, how do I find it?
19:59.04m_digeabrotman: okay:)
19:59.12abrotmanDeSian_: is automake installed ?
19:59.17m_digeKarlitas: use locate
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20:00.16DeSianabrotman, yes
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20:00.52LobbyZasg, any help?
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20:02.17asgLobbyZ: unless anyone else has a better idea, I'd create the directory and put '#!/bin/sh \nexit 0' in each file mentioned (don't forget to make them executable) and remove the mysql packages installed before reinstalling. This may require a number of iterations.
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20:02.39LobbyZMind telling the commands?
20:02.45elopswhich i'm not saying is a bad thing, i don't need bleeding edge on my servers. it's just amusing how old some of the packages are.
20:03.11greycatLobbyZ: editor filename and chmod +x filename
20:03.23ranixelops: what release was that?
20:03.30LobbyZNo i meant to remove the packages before installed
20:03.34elopsim currently on etch
20:03.37ranixI agree with your appraisal of not using "stable" in sources.list, by the way
20:03.59greycatI do too.   You want to manage your upgrades yourself, not let apt-get do them by surprise.
20:04.15greycatEspecially since the instructions for upgrading typically involve many steps that apt-get won't do.
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20:04.37Karlitasm_dige: locate install.exe ?
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20:05.31blackmooni can't send keys with minicom... the message on minicom terminal say "Press any key to abort OS load", but if i prass any key nothing happen... someone can help me?
20:05.56justinblackmoon: what terminal settings did you use?
20:06.05justinwhen in doubt use 96008N1
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20:06.43blackmoonjustin: 38400 8N1
20:06.43LobbyZYeah erhm
20:06.45LobbyZasg
20:06.47LobbyZit still failed
20:07.03asgLobbyZ: with the same message or a different one?
20:07.04m_digeKarlitas: yes. install slocate if you don't have the command
20:07.14LobbyZsame
20:07.25LobbyZasg, same message*
20:07.30asgLobbyZ: then you didn't do what we said
20:07.36LobbyZI did
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20:07.50LobbyZhold on
20:07.54Knight_LordDoes anyone know if a normal nvidia gtx 285 will work on a mac pro running linux if I use another card for booting (an ati 2600 xt)?
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20:08.20simonrvnwhy wouldn't it?
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20:09.07LobbyZasg, i did exactly what you said and it still failed
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20:09.08Knight_Lordsimonrvn: because for example it will not show anything during boot
20:09.12LobbyZi made them executable
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20:09.26Knight_Lordsimonrvn: because of the weird mac pro BIOS
20:09.34ajavidsuhosin is hosin' my cakephp install
20:09.52ranixlet them eat cake
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20:10.06ajavidI removed suhosin and my test cases pass... for sessios and cookie data (encrypted properly)
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20:10.20moqqdoes anyone know how to alter the source email address cron sends mail from? particularly, the domain?
20:10.29elopsso... since it would be nice to update to a later 'stable' is there anything inherently wrong with changing the branch to stable, updating and doing a dist-upgrade... probably not something i want to do on a live server, eh?
20:10.30ajavidranix, :)
20:10.50ranixelops: use "lenny"
20:10.54greycatmoqq: typically you configure your MTA for that.  If you're running exim4, then I think it's "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" or something.
20:10.59simonrvnKnight_Lord: EFI. i imagine just flashing it will do, if there's such available
20:11.02elopsSo?
20:11.29asgLobbyZ: okay. Then put 'exit 0' after the first line in all /var/lib/dpkg/mysql-server.{prerm,preinst,postrm,postinst} and install the package. Then remove and purge the package and install it again.
20:11.31Knight_Lordsimonrvn: the problem is that there's not enough rom in the card to flash it
20:11.33moqqgreycat: no, i don't need to change the mailname of the entire system ... just email from CRON.
20:11.33elopscan anyone please look at my question
20:11.35elops?
20:11.35ajavidelops, if you use 'stable' yes you will upgrade to stable when squeez hits
20:11.42ranixelops: I have dist-upgraded from etch to lenny many times with no problems. I believe it is guaranteed to work
20:11.54ajavidelops, if you use just the names of the distributions, you will only have those
20:11.55themillelops: please read the release notes carefully. /msg dpkg etch->lenny
20:11.57greycatmoqq: per-sender overriding is very tricky.  It typically involves "virtual user tables" or some such malarky.
20:11.59Knight_Lordsimonrvn: the mac software occupies more than the pc bios and it doesn't fit on the chip
20:12.12ajavidthemill, I don't think he was asking that i think
20:12.15sash__dutchfish: dont know, if you remember my problem some days ago. had this ctrl+c issue in awesome with bash. it was an awesome-problem. upgraded to 3.3.4 (unstable version) and now it is working again
20:12.25elopsmy question was
20:12.29elopsso... since it would be nice to update to a later 'stable' is there anything inherently wrong with changing the branch to stable, updating and doing a dist-upgrade... probably not something i want to do on a live server, eh?
20:12.31ajavidthemill, I thought he meant if he uses stable and when disupgrade when squeezy is out, he will have squeez
20:12.36themillajavid: I'm pretty sure he is, you've just got to ready half an hour of backlog to find it.
20:12.37moqqgreycat: i see.
20:12.42ajavidoh
20:12.52ajavidits a old question then.
20:13.02dutchfishsash_, yes i remember, good to know its fixed
20:13.03ranix!tell elops -about etch->lenny
20:13.15themillelops: never use "stable" in your sources.list. If you want to change from etch (old stable) to lenny (current stable), then follow the release notes.
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20:13.36ajavidyeah, that is what he was asking. Yup.
20:13.39simonrvnKnight_Lord: oh damn, that sucks. usually what you'd do is make sure the supported card is the boot video device, and let X init the other (that's what people do on PPC macs)
20:13.51ajavidalways use names, don't use branches, but names
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20:14.14ranixeverybody drop what you're doing and lenny->sid
20:14.21ranixhop to it
20:14.27LobbyZoh
20:14.28LobbyZit worked
20:14.28ajavidranix, please dont' do that again
20:14.39LobbyZasg, now what?
20:14.54elopsthemill: yeah, i think that's the problem i had, back when i switched to etch, etch was becoming oldstable or something, and 'stable' kept causing package conflicts... 'learned' the hard way.
20:14.56Knight_Lordsimonrvn: I see. Any idea how EFI chooses the video boot device?
20:14.56asgLobbyZ: now, remove the packages related to mysql-server and reinstall
20:14.57stewtesting and unstable are fine to use instead of codenames, stable istn'
20:14.59blackmoonany other hint?
20:15.24LobbyZasg, apt-get remove mysql-server phpmyadmin or dpkg -r mysql-server phpmyadmin?
20:15.26Knight_Lordsimonrvn: i don't actually even need X. I just want the card for CUDA computations
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20:15.42asgLobbyZ: apt-get remove --purge mysql-server
20:15.43elopsstew ?
20:15.52elopsstew: that's the problem i had, back when i switched to etch, etch was becoming oldstable or something, and 'stable' kept causing package conflicts... 'learned' the hard way.
20:15.55LobbyZPackage mysql-server is not installed, so not removed
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20:16.08stewelops: yes, one shouldn't use "stable" in sources.list
20:16.09LobbyZasg, Package mysql-server is not installed, so not removed
20:16.11ranixKnight_Lord: I don't think there should be a problem, but there's only one way to find out for sure. The ATI card preference is a hardware limitation with the mac, AIUI
20:16.25simonrvnKnight_Lord: likely the one with the cable plugged in, or setting a kernel param; efi is really basic wrt linux, and acts similar to bios in that regard, IINM
20:16.28asgLobbyZ: what does apt-get -f install (or aptitude -f install) say now?
20:16.38ranixKnight_Lord: as long as you have an ATI card as your primary card you should be able to CUDA on the other card
20:16.44LobbyZasg, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
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20:16.57Knight_Lordranix: yes my primary is an ATI
20:17.26simonrvnKnight_Lord: video=foofb,etc
20:17.36Knight_Lordranix: unfortunately i don't have any card to try out
20:17.44ranixah you would have to buy one?
20:17.55asgLobbyZ: aptitude upgrade
20:18.10ranixit's hard to make a recommendation, I think you would only know after trying
20:18.13Knight_Lordranix: exactly. And it's really hard to get a mac edition card that's why i'm considering the windows one
20:18.16LobbyZasg, 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
20:18.16LobbyZNeed to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
20:18.19ranixmaybe you can try a card from a brick-and-mortar
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20:18.26ranixso you can return it if it doesn't work
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20:18.48Knight_Lordranix: I can try
20:19.12simonrvnit's not like it hasn't been done before ;)
20:19.19asgLobbyZ: got to go but someone else will be able to help you update those packages and then help you reinstall mysql-server.
20:19.29LobbyZalright
20:19.39LobbyZwho can help me purge mysql-server and reinstall it?
20:19.44_2i have a question, i'm not sure how it will be taken here.   first let me say i'm not trying to do something stupid or unlawful,  but ______   i would like to use my wifi card to just look at what wireless networks are reachable in this location.   the question is 'how does one do this?'
20:19.54elopssometimes fortune is just /not/ funny...
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20:19.59elops"panic: can't find /"
20:20.08Knight_Lordranix, simonrvn ok thanks for the help. I will try to search the internet to try to figure out if someone else has done this before
20:20.08stew_2: "iwlist scanning"
20:20.09greycatactually, that's damned funny.
20:20.12elopsWhat is this now? :((((((((
20:20.18_2stew ty
20:20.26ranix_2: iwlist eth0/wi0/etc. scanning
20:20.50elops"panic: can't find /"
20:21.02simonrvnthat *is* funny
20:21.03greycatgranted, it's less funny the second time.
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20:21.17c03hi
20:21.17_2ranix yes.  thank you too
20:21.18greycatmost jokes are.
20:21.24c03i'm setting up a partyuser on my server
20:21.29simonrvnneeds a bit of time between viewings
20:21.35c03and I want it to limit it to it's home dir
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20:21.51c03it musn't even changedir og read anything else
20:22.10c03though, it must be able to start mp3blaster and play music from external harddrives
20:22.37c03I figure though, that mp3blaster, can have access to other dirs whilst partyuser can't, is that correct?
20:22.40simonrvnwhy does that remind me of rube goldberg install?
20:22.54greycat"I want to be able to mount removable devices, but god forbid the account be able to read /etc/motd !!"
20:22.54c03I dunno? =)
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20:23.17c03greycat: exactly =P
20:23.37c03okay, maybe I can loosen the rules a bit
20:23.43c03but you get my point
20:24.13_2runs chmod 001 / as root
20:24.15dkayHello, someone knows why my thunderbird cant connect? ive installed it via apt-get but thunderbird cant connect to any of my mailservers? no googlemail or something
20:24.17c03I don't want the user going frenzy
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20:24.45ranixdkay: you at home?
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20:25.07greycatc03: write a menu that can do, like, three things.  Set the account's login shell to that menu program.
20:25.26c03oh, bright idea
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20:25.49c03and when it closes mp3blaster again?
20:25.57_2c03 just don't make one of the three thing an sudo command   ;)
20:26.08c03;)
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20:26.29CadavreSweet. Managed to install Debian on a running CentOS machine remotely. :D
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20:26.31greycatgiving the account to run "sudo /usr/local/bin/some_script" isn't terribly bad, as long as you write that script carefully
20:26.37greycat+permission
20:26.38CadavreWent insanely good.
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20:27.36_2greycat and don't allow editing of the commandline in any way
20:27.43xLucasI installed debian 5.3 that it hangs on startup following message:
20:27.48c03greycat: what do I do if the user quits mp3blaster then?
20:27.48xLucassetting console screnn modes and fonts
20:27.59xLucasAnybody know why?
20:28.02greycatc03: mp3blaster is an interactive program?  I know nothing about it.
20:28.17c03yes
20:28.36greycatIf it's launched from the menu, then when it terminates, control will return to the menu program
20:28.40xLucashelp plzzz ;/
20:28.52c03nice
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20:30.08oxiDoes anyone know a nice article/book/blog/wiki to read about the debian directory structure?
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20:30.29_2xLucas just a stab in the dark, but it could be a gfx issue.  i.e. the setup of kernel frame buffering may be putting the gfx card to sleep.     try booting with "vga=0x0f05"  and see if it helps
20:30.32stewoxi: http://www.pathname.com/fhs
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20:30.51oxiI'd like to learn every detail of good practiced debian path organization
20:30.51oxistew: thanks
20:30.54c03greycat: http://mp3blaster.sourceforge.net/ if you want to check it out =)
20:31.01xLucas_2 add line in grub ?
20:31.05_2xLucas on the kernel line  yes
20:31.28xLucasok ok
20:31.58stewoxi: uh, is that url broken?  try http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html
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20:33.00oxistew: yeah, it's broken for me :-(
20:33.20_2stew i get it just fine
20:33.20stewoxi: try the second one
20:33.39xLucas_2 kernel /vmlinuz-2.6* root=/dev/sda8 ro vga=0x0f05 ?
20:33.51_2xLucas yes
20:33.52oxistew: yeah, that worked
20:34.07oxistew: wow, that's exactly what I was looking for :-) thanks
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20:35.14stewoxi: :)
20:35.17LinuxNITon my laptop in vista i can set the laptop screen to 1440x900 and the external monitor as an extention to 1280X1024. can someone point me to the documentation for doing this in debian? (lenny)
20:35.43valdynLinuxNIT: try using xrandr
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20:36.07ketilnvidia-settings if you are using the proprietary drivers
20:36.29LinuxNITok
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20:36.46_2recalls that nvidia-settings doesn't work with his ati proprietary crap
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20:39.02elopsguess i have to upgrade to 2.6 for lenny... ?
20:39.08elopsstew?
20:39.12stewelops: definately
20:39.23stew(should have been done for etch)
20:39.28stewbut MUST be done for lenny
20:39.43c03hmm
20:39.55c03apparently exit doesn't logout the user in bash scripts
20:40.29etdepends on how the script is executed
20:40.34etif the user sources it ...
20:40.47elopsstew: but... but... i love 2.4 *cries*
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20:42.14c03et: ?
20:42.14_2c03 the exit command will end the script   if the script is running in the top level shell >>> . ./my_script.sh <<<  that will also "logout" the user
20:42.35c03really?
20:42.39_2yes
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20:42.45c03I thought it would just exit the script
20:42.53c03with a return code
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20:43.17elopsstew: 2.4 works with?
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20:43.34greycat_2: "." reads commands in the current shell.  If one of those commands is "exit" then it will exit the current shell.
20:43.51greycatand/or c03.  whoever was confused.
20:43.59c03i'm the confused one
20:44.08c03so I should run it as . ./script
20:44.10c03?
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20:44.21greycatc03: what are you trying to do?
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20:44.35elopsstew: cant I use 2.4 ???
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20:45.41_2try it and see.    echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\necho "my script will exit in 5 seconds." \nsleep 5 \nexit $?' > my_script.sh ;chmod 755 my_script.sh ; . ./my_script.sh
20:46.20c03greycat: make the menu script
20:46.28_2then log back in and run the script in a subshell as it would normally be executed.   ./my_script.sh
20:46.28greycatthen why are you dotting things in?
20:46.31c03with a logout option og start mp3blaster
20:46.43greycatthe logout option would be "exit"
20:46.54greycatthe mp3blaster option would be "mp3blaster" or whatever
20:47.05c03aye
20:47.18_2one might also use the "logout" command....
20:47.21c03_2 suggested I ran it with . infront to make exit logout
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20:47.30greycatNo, don't do that.
20:47.41greycatJust write it as a normal script.  A simple program that exits when you want to logout.
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20:47.52greycatWhen you've tested it and are happy with it, then make it the login shell of the captive user.
20:47.53valdync03: you forgot that that script needs to be the user's shell?
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20:48.44c03valdyn: yes I did =D
20:48.54c03I thought it would just be ran when the user logged in
20:49.00c03as a startup thingy
20:49.02greycatthat's what a login shell is
20:49.07greycat"startup..."?
20:49.15c03it's hard for us windows migraters
20:49.17greycatis mp3blaster an X client, or is it a terminal-based program?
20:49.25c03terminal
20:49.28greycatok, good
20:49.32xLucas_2 caught again even putting vga kernel line in grub ;(
20:49.52xLucasthe NFS: falied
20:49.54stewelops: 2.4 works with sarge.  it mostly works with etch but some things in etch will break with a 2.4 kernel.  2.4 doesn't work at all with lenny, it won't boot, glibc is incompatible
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20:50.35valdync03: the "login shell" is just the program that is run when a user logs in. Its usually something like bash, but it can be any program, like your script
20:50.49c03oh, okay
20:50.52c03thanks valdyn
20:51.16c03that cleared up alot
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20:51.25c03OH
20:51.30_2makse note to self not to run "sed '-e z/bin/.*shz/bin/turezg /etc/passwd'" ever again
20:51.32c03now the passwd file makes a bit sense
20:52.10valdync03: so obviously you can set a users shell to "/usr/bin/mp3blaster" and he will only see mp3blaster and be logged out when he quits that thing
20:52.52xLucasmy debian stop in menssagem on bootloader: setting console screen modes and fonts - help plz
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20:53.09c03valdyn: that makes everything alot easier actually =D
20:53.15c03thanks the lot!
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20:53.30valdync03: make sure you have root logged in while messing with /etc/passwd directly
20:53.43c03aye
20:53.51greycatand always use "vipw" to edit it.
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20:54.04greycatthat should do some basic sanity checking, one hopes
20:54.06_2vipw ?
20:54.10c03using nano
20:54.18greycatEDITOR=nano; vipw
20:54.31greycatit's called vipw because most people use vi ;-)
20:54.49valdync03: try vipw, it will use your default editor, that could be nano
20:55.23c03okaaaaaaay?
20:55.37Titan8990_greycat, is this the only reason? " The programs will set the appropriate locks to prevent file corruption."
20:55.44greycat''man vipw'' explains things
20:55.57c03oh okay
20:56.03greycatI don't know what-all vipw in Debian does.
20:56.38greycatIn OpenBSD, for example, it does a whole lot more, because /etc/passwd is just a read-only subset of the real password file, which in turn is converted into a binary database.
20:56.55greycatSo one quickly learns to use vipw.
20:56.58c03greycat: how to change my editor?
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20:57.12greycatexport EDITOR=nano
20:57.13greycator whatever
20:57.22c03ok, thx
20:57.25greycatthere's also update-alternatives --config editor
20:57.39valdynspecifically on debian on his system vipw doesnt seem useful
20:57.52greycatif nothing else, it's shorter than typing vi /etc/passwd
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20:58.04Dryantaand it works lol
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20:58.12c03guys, it works like a charm
20:58.14c03thanks alot =)
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20:59.01c03worked with just nano /etc/passwd though
20:59.44Titan8990_you can also set your EDITOR variable in your bashrc if you choose to
21:00.04nsadminalso some programs look at VISUAL so you can export VISUAL=$EDITOR
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21:00.15greycathttp://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles   maybe also be informative
21:00.40greycats/maybe/might/
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21:02.40nsadminmaybe A bee
21:02.59_2might a bee
21:03.25nsadminmytebbe
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21:07.35simonrvnincompetent spammer... more than usual
21:07.49glasyalabolisHow can I pipe the output from a command directly into a textfile?
21:08.10Kvantcommand > textfile
21:08.53glasyalabolisI tried that with strace but it always displays on the terminal and the textfile shows up empty
21:09.03glasyalabolisstrace <command> > textfile
21:09.04Kvanttry: command &> textfile
21:09.08glasyalabolisok
21:09.27Kvantor maybe: command 2>&1 > textfile
21:09.34glasyalabolis&> worked
21:09.36glasyalabolisthank you
21:10.22nsadminmaybe strace outputs on stderr, in which case 2> could work
21:10.31etglasyalabolis: > just redirects stdout, the strace output is sent to stderr
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21:10.51glasyalabolisI see, thank you everyone
21:11.03greycatKvant: you probably wanted >textfile 2>&1
21:11.07nsadminKvant: it's weird... you have to do this: command > file 2>&1
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21:11.43simonrvnglasyalabolis: use -o
21:11.53nsadminbut when you pipe, you do this: command 2>&1 | anothercommand
21:11.57simonrvnglasyalabolis: for strace; man strace; strace --help
21:11.58greycathttp://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/055 -- Tell me all about 2>&1 -- what's the difference between 2>&1 >foo and >foo 2>&1, and when do I use which?
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21:12.22glasyalabolissimonrvn: will do, thanks
21:12.44nsadminI use which when I want to find where a command in the path is stored!
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21:13.37greycatyou should probably be using type
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21:14.53c03change dns in debian?
21:15.08valdync03: youre not using dhcp?
21:15.13c03yes
21:15.16zarelimandoes some1 know how to enable dmraid detection ?
21:15.29valdync03: who set your dns server?
21:15.36greycatsome1 isn't here, so it's not relevant what he knows
21:15.41valdync03: you did at install time?
21:15.57c03chooses automatically
21:16.00zarelimanhaha
21:16.00c03i think
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21:16.07valdync03: that is called dhcp
21:16.08greycatc03: are you trying to permanently change /etc/resolv.conf but using DHCP?
21:16.22valdync03: or if its not dhcp then its set by your pppd
21:16.29valdync03: both is fine, why  change it?
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21:16.37c03I want to dhcp my ip, but make my dns permanent
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21:16.45zarelimanI cant get the system to detect an intel raid partition
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21:16.55valdync03: its set in /etc/resolv.conf
21:17.03c03and it's not overwritten?
21:17.06valdync03: but read that file carefully
21:17.12greycatc03: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf and take out the parts you don't want it to do.
21:17.12valdync03: it gets overwritten
21:17.28c03k
21:17.33c03but if it gets overwritten?
21:17.47valdync03: greycat told you the clean way
21:17.52greycatthere are actually, like, 3 or 4 Official Debian Ways to stop dhcp fucking with your resolv.conf, unfortunately.
21:18.17valdynid just chattr +i, but thats just me
21:18.23greycatthey vary from "somewhat simple" to "omg what the hell is THAT?"
21:18.42c03k
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21:22.35c03I don't get it
21:22.47c03if resolv.conf is overwritten, it doesn't make any sense to edit it
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21:22.58Tramp!override dns
21:22.58dpkgTo instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information.  Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers.
21:23.11Trampc03: ^^
21:23.16arcskyevening, joltcan alive?
21:23.22c03ohs
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21:25.39kleofasCan anybody tell me where can I find some help relating corrupted lvm volume header?
21:25.43c03hmm, how do I test it without rebooting?
21:25.53c03seems kinda retarded to do...
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21:26.35nsadminc03: what's the name of your main net interface? eth0?
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21:26.52c03yup
21:26.54nsadminlook in /etc/network/interfaces (surprise!)
21:26.56arcskycan anyone be nice and help me with my samba problem, i cant connect to it from my winows machine, http://pastebin.com/m444a1b30
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21:27.03nsadminok, try this
21:27.21nsadmin(this will kill your irc maybe tho)
21:27.26nsadminifdown eth0
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21:27.32nsadminifup eth0
21:27.33c03i'm not on the server =)
21:27.42nsadminserver?
21:27.52nsadminwait, don't do that
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21:27.59c03...
21:28.12c03right... ssh
21:28.19nsadminwhat distance is the server to you?
21:28.21c03hahaha
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21:28.27c03classic bash.org
21:28.31c03well
21:28.37nsadmin1 foot? 5000 miles?
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21:28.42KarlitasMay I ask all you nice people. How do I change the color of xterm? I want it black with white text
21:28.50c035 meters, so not that big of a deal =)
21:28.51Agent_bob38 seconds
21:28.53c03hehe
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21:29.03caretahello all
21:29.18nsadminwell then you could do that, but I'd use the server keyboard
21:29.31caretamy power settings in gnome don't seem to work - the screen never enters the power saving state!
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21:30.08c03nsadmin: im lazy =)
21:30.16nsadminthen reboot it
21:30.52Agent_bobath0      No scan results
21:31.17Agent_bob;/  so there is no wireless network reachable ?
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21:31.36dkayranix: yes i am at home.
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21:32.12dkayranix: i wont use evolution. i always used thunderbird and i want it also on my laptop, but thunderbird cant connect
21:32.43Agent_bobkmail ftw
21:32.44dkayive tried all what i can do but nothing happens
21:33.14dkayftw spelled means?
21:33.24Agent_bobfor the win
21:33.39dkayimo that 1337 is a never ending story
21:33.57Agent_bobyeppers
21:34.10dkaytomorrow we write all only : imo afaik asap yay aka who what heh?
21:34.12dkay:)
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21:34.25Agent_bobteh
21:34.37dkayfor the win. okay .
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21:35.03dkaydont know kwin. but is kwin can connect to the mailservers thunderbird must be able also
21:35.15dkaywhen*
21:35.49dkayand i am connected :/ i dont understand
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21:36.36dkaymy iptables are set coorect. my internet connections works and my mailaccounts works
21:36.44Agent_bobso configure it propperly (mail.server.blah or pop.blah.blah) and be sure to enable "authentication"
21:36.52dkaybut thunderbird not. has something to do with thunderbird itselfs
21:37.00dkayive done this
21:37.17dkayi used tb on windows before. it is the same config
21:38.01Agent_boblet me assume.   if other mail clients work and that one doesn't then one of two things is the cause.  1 it's missconfigured.   2. it's broken.
21:38.26dkaynone of my mailaccounts are accessable via tb
21:38.40c03etch
21:38.41dkaybut i can connect vis firefox googlemail.com
21:38.56nsadminso that still leaves 1 or 2
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21:39.57Agent_bobserver is   pop.gmail.com   must be set to secure/mangled port  and must have authentication enabled
21:40.27Agent_bobcheck those first
21:40.50Agent_bobnote not port 25  ^
21:41.05nsadminwhat makes it secure? what makes it mangled?
21:41.32Agent_bobencription algarythms
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21:41.59Agent_bobgmail is encripted !
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21:42.26nsadminamd speld wel tuo!
21:42.59Agent_bobtuo ?      ooh  to    ;)
21:43.22Agent_bobbut it's not an acronymn
21:43.22nsadminactually, too :)
21:43.32Agent_bobalso
21:44.57Agent_bobi dropped out of school in the sixtys to do drugs, what do you expect ....  anyhow ?
21:45.31markybob_you can do drugs and not be a moron
21:45.42Agent_bobthat's a matter of openion
21:45.44markybob_likes his weed
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21:45.50markybob_openion?  uh, yeah
21:46.00puffI need a little help sorting out a package dependency problme.
21:46.19Agent_bobaptitude -f install
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21:53.42puffhttp://debian.pastebin.com/m3a47fccd
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21:54.09puffAgent_bob: Well, that's the problem;  trying to remove the offending package, or trying -f, gives me this huge, scary list of packages.
21:54.28puffGuess I should have been diligent about keepngi this box up to date.
21:54.59puffYoiks, -f results in: 125 packages upgraded, 78 newly installed, 278 to remove and 300 not upgraded.
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21:55.22simonrvnwhat did you do...?
21:55.30nsadminpuff: one good possibility: you're trying to run a mixed dist
21:55.31puffsimonrvn: Nothing, that's the problem :-).
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21:55.57nsadminpuff: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:56.00puffAnyway, I don't want to chance wrecking this box just now... not until I'm ready to rebuild it if necessary.
21:56.10nsadminand show output of cat /etc/debian_version
21:56.28puffdebian_version 3.1
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21:56.43nsadminwow
21:56.56simonrvnwhat?
21:57.01nsadminwow
21:57.10simonrvn!slink
21:57.10dpkgSlink (Debian GNU/Linux 2.1) was released March 1999.  It is no longer supported.  Ask me about <slink->potato>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSlink
21:57.12azeempuff: did you not touch that box for a while?
21:57.22azeem3.1 is oldoldstable
21:57.27simonrvn!potato
21:57.27dpkgsomebody said potato was Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000.  It is no longer supported.  Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information.  See also <potato sources.list>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato
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21:57.35simonrvnwoody then
21:57.38azeemyes
21:57.38nsadminsarge?
21:57.44azeemwe run it as on our ssh server at the uni
21:57.45Agent_bobpuff i would consider  aptitude remove php-peer
21:58.00azeemeh right, sarge
21:58.13simonrvnpuff: do it the slow easy way. upgrade to sarge, then etch, then lenny
21:58.18nsadminoldoldoldstable :)
21:58.28azeem!sarge
21:58.28simonrvn!sarge
21:58.28dpkgTen-HUT!  Fall in!  Sarge is the code name for Debian version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005.  Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported.  Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>.  Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>, <sarge sources.list>.  Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge
21:58.40azeemit's oldoldstable
21:58.42simonrvnyeh, sarge..
21:58.53puffpuff@darksleep:/tmp$ cat /etc/debian_version
21:58.53puff3.1
21:58.53puffpuff@darksleep:/tmp$
21:58.58Agent_bobpuff also i have seen times that apt-get remove would work where aptitude remove wouldn't
21:59.03puffDangit,was trying to paste the pastebin url.
21:59.03azeempuff: you pasted that already
21:59.07simonrvnwell ok skip the "upgrade to sarge" part ;)
21:59.25puffWhy oh why is linux cut'n paste still such a pain :-).
21:59.29puffhttp://debian.pastebin.com/d55ff60b2
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21:59.35nsadminsimonrvn: probably bring sarge uptodate first
21:59.38simonrvnpuff: this means edit sources.list every time, and be sure to read the release notes for each one
21:59.44dsdeizhi anyone using xdm? so how can i choose a session to run like in gdm?
21:59.57simonrvnpuff: yeh, what nsadmin said, bring that sarge up to date first
22:00.01lafranceof topic just totaly lost on this one anyone know what the hell the key SCRLK is on the keyboard
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22:00.17simonrvnscroll lock
22:00.23simonrvnaka ^s
22:00.44simonrvnused in freebsd to scroll a vt ;p
22:00.59nsadminoh. it says stable, that'w why
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22:01.42azeempuff: you're system is broken
22:01.44simonrvndsdeiz: you don't. edit your ~/.xsession
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22:02.15dsdeizahh, i see.. ok thanks
22:02.17Agent_bobpuff   aptitude remove php-peer      ?
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22:03.23Agent_bobheh.  or even    dpkg -P php-peer ;aptitude -f install
22:03.28puffazeem, simonrvn, Agent_bob, okay, so, assuming that I would rather avoid having to spend a huge amount of time on this just now...
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22:03.48puffThat is, I don't want to do anything hairy without blocking out time to deal with a worst-case result.
22:03.51nsadminthat's NOT going to work until he changes his sources.list
22:04.03Agent_bobpuff that's why i suggested removing the one offending package
22:04.11puffAs a matter of fact, I'm leaning towards migrating to an up to date install on new hardware.
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22:04.56puffAgent_bob: Well I tried that, that's what gave me the scary "going to remove, install replace eight zillion packages"  result :-p).
22:04.58puffSo did -f.
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22:05.36puffHm, apt-get remove instead of aptitude remove gives me a different error, says dh-make-php relies on php-pear.
22:05.49puffStill refuses  to remove it until I fix my dependencies.
22:05.59puffMaybe I can remove dh-make-php, IRRC we have no further need for that.
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22:06.16simonrvnwonders wtf puff did 'sounds like you did s,sarge,lenny, in sources.list ...'
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22:06.38simonrvnuse the aptitude ui at least. make life easier
22:06.52nsadminsimonrvn: "stable" in sources.list
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22:07.07simonrvnbut i'd fix your sources.list, i bet that's causing more problems than needed, then update, then fix deps.
22:07.08nsadminthat would be the problem
22:07.16simonrvnoh fuck...
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22:07.22simonrvns,stable,sarge,
22:07.35azeemsarge isn't on the mirrors
22:07.36nsadminand find a repo for it
22:07.37puffHm, apt-get -f install  just wants to update libc6  and locales, let's try that.
22:07.42PolarinaAfter installing phpmyadmin, where is it configured for apache2?
22:07.45azeemit's on archive.debian.org
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22:07.52simonrvnoh yeh, that's true eh
22:07.56azeempuff: don't
22:08.07simonrvnpuff: NO
22:08.09nsadminpuff: wait!
22:08.14Agent_bobpuff not a good idea
22:08.19puffHokay.
22:08.27azeempuff: what does "uname -r" say?
22:08.27pufflooks like it failed anyway.
22:08.37simonrvnpuff: first and formost right now, is PATIENCE. you're gonna need it.
22:08.41simonrvnfore*
22:08.46puff2.4.18-bf2.4
22:08.50Agent_bobfour
22:08.59azeempuff: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" sayß
22:09.10simonrvnwow, bf2.4 haven't seen that in forever
22:09.18azeemsince sarge he
22:09.21noobWinIs that by any chance integrated into the (network) installer? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/
22:09.27simonrvnazeem: hehe
22:09.31azeemnoobWin: what do you meanß
22:09.33azeem?
22:09.51azeemnoobWin: what is "that"?
22:09.56puffhttp://debian.pastebin.com/d7b721c46
22:10.00noobWinmanual
22:10.05noobWininstallation manual I think
22:10.11noobWinguide
22:10.18azeempuff: it doesn't say anything about libc6
22:10.26azeempuff: and no need to paste all the other stuff again
22:10.35azeemnoobWin: what is your question?
22:10.49puffhttp://debian.pastebin.com/d91366d7
22:10.58Agent_bobno. does is his question
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22:11.00noobWinWhat if any documentation is accessible from within the installer
22:11.05azeempuff: eh?
22:11.23puffazeem: Added the libc6 stuff on the end at the last paste.
22:11.28azeemI don't see it
22:11.46PolarinaHow do I configure /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf to apply only to a specific Virtual Host?
22:11.51azeem00:08 < azeem> puff: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say
22:11.54puffOdd, let's try again.
22:12.05puffii  libc6                      2.3.6.ds1-13               GNU C Library: Shared libraries
22:12.28simonrvnlooks like etch, that
22:12.50Agent_bob2.3.6.ds1-13et < my etch
22:12.52puffAFAIK this should be a fairly vanilla install, e..g I dont recall at any time mucking with a dist-upgrae.
22:12.54nsadminhosed pretty badly then
22:13.01puffIt's just oldoldold.
22:13.49PolarinaHow do I configure /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf to apply only to a specific Virtual Host?
22:13.51nsadmin!codenames
22:13.51dpkgsomebody said codenames was buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2),  woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0)=Testing, sid=Unstable or see <tsc_codenames> for those of the technical support crews
22:14.48nsadminok, -maybe- you could try going to etch inasmuch as the libc you have is probably the etch libc
22:15.33nsadminPolarina: if you don't find out here, try #apache as well as apache.org
22:15.39puffSounds like I'd be better off leaving it alone until I can do a fresh install from scratch and migrate the old box over.
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22:16.25SolarWarwhere can i get deb packages for woody?
22:16.27puffPolarina: Debian has a few quirks when it comes to apache, unless the rest of the world has adopted the whole sites-available/sites-enabled approach.
22:16.32nsadminof course that's your choice... is anyone else mucking with it btw?
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22:17.12puffnsadmin: Some others, yeah, but only installing packages... no major upgrades and version changes.
22:17.21nsadminthat is a problem.
22:17.25puffWe had one instance of that, back in the dawn of time, and it went... badly.
22:17.44nsadminif they're installing packages, that's causing your installation to break more and more.
22:17.47puffI'm thinking of moving to a xen approach.
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22:18.12nsadminon what hardware?
22:18.19pufffor the xen?
22:18.24nsadminyeah
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22:18.45puffDon't know yet... I know two different folks who have been doing a lot with that, figured I'd ask them.
22:19.25rudi_sHi. How can I findout which X resources (like Xterm*background) a X program uses?
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22:19.39simonrvnits man page usually
22:19.59puffBut I like the idea of having different sandboxes for different purposes.
22:20.18nsadminpuff anyway, get these other guys n gals to stop installing packages... your sources.list is broken (and yet it's never been changed maybe)
22:20.48rudi_ssimonrvn: I meant using at the moment. So what the value of the resource is.
22:21.01nsadminif you're not going to fix that, then installing will continue to damage the installation
22:21.17puffnsadmin: Yeah... well, apt doesn't want to install anything until its fixed.
22:21.21simonrvnthere's an app for that, i thik xrestop or xressomething
22:21.26simonrvnthink
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22:21.34puffSo the guys should hit that and say, "Okay, time to call Puff"
22:22.32noobWinAnyone have time for some 'fun' silly questions about debian installer (netinst)
22:22.51nsadminyou should at least alter your sources.list so everywhere it says stable, you replace that with etch
22:22.56noobWinI'd like to know beforehand what the names of the packages would be that I need to install
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22:23.45puffOkay.
22:24.11nsadminhaving said that... doing this will "arm" it
22:24.23rudi_ssimonrvn: xrestop just prints some information like windows, etc. Do you know an app to get all xresources?
22:24.23noobWinwait, shit. some of the easy ones... damnit the bloody dependancies are on the packages site
22:25.50simonrvnrudi_s: apt-cache search
22:26.08puffnsadmin: Arm it?
22:26.14puffnsadmin: As in, fix it enough to let somebody else do real damage?
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22:28.33nsadminor fix it enough so that the upgrade would proceed more smoothly; right now, we don't know which
22:29.01nsadminone thing you could do is clone it entirely and try it on the copy
22:29.01LobbyZI'm not sure if this is a debian question but how am i to create the mysql config files and phpmyadmin files incase you've deleted them accidently on your debian VPS thus not allowing MySQL and stuff to be installed?
22:29.42puffnsadmin: good point.  I don't have an identical box to try it on, should that be a problem?
22:29.45noobWinwhere was sources.list in?
22:30.04nsadminit might not be if it's close
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22:30.14rudi_ssimonrvn: I tried apt-cache search x resource but found nothing. Could you give me a hint please.
22:30.18puffNot likely.  The spare box I have is SATA and etc.
22:30.31puffThanks for your help.
22:30.36nsadminwhich probably wasn't around in sarge's time
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22:30.58dsdeizhi! what panel would you recommend for openbox?
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22:31.10puffRight...
22:31.34nsadminthere was a big hole when sata came out, debian wouldjn't run or install because the kernel didn't support it
22:31.34russell_his there some documentation somewhere of what log_action_end_msg in init scripts does?
22:31.34simonrvnrudi_s: you weren't looking very hard then:
22:31.37simonrvnwininfo - displays information about X windows under the mouse cursor
22:31.50nsadminand likewise with the installer's kernel
22:31.57simonrvntook me under 30 seconds, with that same search
22:32.26nsadminso the box has no ide interface? or eide/ata?
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22:34.07CeruleanI've just installed postfix. When a certain user receives a message, I want to pipe it to a command which is run as a certain user. How can I specify the user? At the moment the command is being run as nobody:nogroup
22:34.23rudi_ssimonrvn: Well, that doesn't give me the resources; I meant something like xterm*background. I thought that if I mispell a setting I could use such an application to check if the setting was applied or not.
22:34.29Ceruleans/When a certain user/When a certain name
22:34.50puffnsadmin: Sorry, was that to me?
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22:35.26simonrvnrudi_s: it doesn't? hm
22:35.26KubaHey
22:35.32puffnsadmin: The spare box I have is a year or two old, but was bleeding edgewhen I built it.  The old box is a few years older and was strongly middle-of-the-road, well-explored territory, etc.
22:35.42puffAlso low-voltage, low-heat output hardware.
22:35.50KubaI have deleted svg file, what is the simplest method of recovering it?
22:36.16markybob_Kuba, use your backup
22:36.22nsadminpuff: so the spare has no pata?
22:36.31rudi_ssimonrvn: No, just the window id, font glyphs, such sort of things.
22:36.35Kubamarkybob_: there is none
22:36.42Kuba:(
22:36.51markybob_Kuba, fs?
22:36.56Kubaext3
22:36.59puffnsadmin: It probably doe,s it's an asus p4p800s-x.  I'm just saying,  there's a gulf there :-).
22:37.00markybob_sol
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22:37.11Kubamarkybob_: sol?
22:37.19puffnsadmin: Speaking of which, part of why it's spare is that it's giving me a chassis intrusion error, so I'll have to sort that out first.
22:37.23simonrvn!sol
22:37.23nsadminpuff: well it could be worth a shot
22:37.23dpkgsol is probably Shit Outta Luck.  Sex On Legs.  Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer
22:37.40noobWinThere used to be a table comparing the desktop enviroments available in debian, any idea where it might be?
22:37.51puffWhcih mainly means figuring out where the heck the reset button is, or finding the jumper to disable it (except that it shouldn't *be* enabled, since it comes disabled by default...)
22:38.03Kubaermmm... :(
22:38.18nsadminalternatively you could either back up what you have now or restore from a backup and try upgrading the live box
22:38.31nsadminnot too risky if you have a backup...
22:38.35puffYeah, that's what I'm leaning towards.
22:38.43nsadminand you're backing up the sql separately?
22:38.44puffOr just building anew install and migrating over.
22:38.51puffI think I'd find migrating over easier...
22:39.17nsadminor are you using a database at all on that box?
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22:39.36puffThere's a databse, but nothing serious on it.
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22:40.08simonrvnrudi_s: i remember there is one, i just couldn't tell you the name. sorry dude.
22:40.08nsadminso you could take a dump of that, back up the rest... that way you could restore to exactly what you had
22:40.15puffOkay, much thanks, much appreciated, I guess I have my work cut out for me.
22:40.23puffYeah, I might try the backup and upgrade, just for the learning experience.
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22:40.31rudi_ssimonrvn: No problem, maybe somebody else knows. Thanks anyway.
22:40.33puffBut not until I'm ready to install fresh and migrate :-).
22:40.39catsupnoobWin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments
22:40.48BCM43how can I encrypt a flash card?
22:41.22catsupBCM43: see package cryptsetup
22:41.23noobWinShoul've bookmarked, I could swear it was part of the debian documantation
22:41.48noobWincomparing size mostly and ram usage I think
22:43.02noobWinAnyway, someone suggest me their favourite lightweight DE to partner with KDE4
22:43.15markybob_lightweight and kde4 dont go together
22:43.37noobWindebian can log into different desktop enviroments, can it not?
22:43.42noobWinRAM use
22:43.48simonrvnkde *is* a de ...
22:43.52noobWinyes
22:44.02catsupnoobWin: do you know what the "DE" in "KDE" stands for?
22:44.24zleapdesktop environment
22:44.25noobWinYes
22:44.31simonrvn!de
22:44.32dpkgdeutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
22:44.37simonrvn!wm
22:44.37dpkg[window manager] a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server.  To list available window managers in your system, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager".  Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>.  To set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager".  For a guide to available window managers, see http://xwinman.org/
22:44.38catsup18:43 <noobWin> Anyway, someone suggest me their favourite lightweight DE to partner with KDE4
22:44.43catsup^^^ what does it mean??
22:44.47noobWinnow suggest me an alternative to use as an optional alternative to KDE4
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22:44.50noobWin:D
22:44.57catsupoic
22:45.08noobWinSorry for vague
22:45.13trip0what's the command to increment the package build version for building a deb package?
22:45.22trip0d_ch or something like that?
22:45.29catsupi just launch xmonad + xterm in my xinitrc
22:45.29azeemtrip0: dch, sorta
22:46.14catsupnoobWin: fluxbox is pretty annoying to me but a lot of people like it for that function
22:46.16noobWinHmm, I'd have to read up on what wiki means by distinguishing 'full enviroment' and 'window manager only'
22:46.25noobWinGuess I'll just start off with xfce
22:46.42catsupxfce is kind of in the middle
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22:46.57noobWinYeah, but then KDE4 is quite at the top so meh
22:47.02catsupi haven't used xfce in years
22:47.36catsupwell there's only 3
22:47.45pawbieSo when my debian squeeze systems boots, X fails to start from gdm.  There are no errors.  I can use 'startx' as a normal user and everything works 100%...  ?
22:47.50catsupwith gnome and kde being more or less equal afaik
22:47.51noobWinI already forgot before I started asking that I don't have to and probably can't install or shouldn't even intend to install two at once with netinstall CD
22:48.17noobWinthere's three of what catsup?
22:48.25catsupgnome, kde, xfce
22:48.28noobWinah yes
22:48.51pawbiecatsup: no lwm?  lxde?  fluxbox? :(
22:49.13catsuppawbie: thoes are just window managers
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22:49.32catsupi guess there is also windowmaker and maybe a few other obscure things
22:49.40pawbieenlightenment
22:49.47noobWinOh I forgot to start burning the disc. What do you think, let's play roulette: will nero smart's choice for making data disc or making a bootable disc work better...
22:49.58noobWinI say I should write a music disc
22:50.02dsdeizpypanel isn't available in the repo for lenny?
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22:50.29pawbienoobWin: Ick.  Go get ISORecorder or ImgBurn
22:50.30catsuphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Étoilé  <--  this looks really interesting
22:50.34pawbieNero makes kittens die.
22:51.03noobWinHah, I never burn anything, I rarely touch it, in turn it hasn't broken
22:51.27dsdeizwhy is pypanel not in the repo? :(
22:51.31noobWinboot image locale? wtf is that
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22:51.42noobWinEN-UK it is then haha
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22:52.08pawbienoobWin: ...are you trying to burn a linux iso to a disc?
22:52.28noobWinWe'll see if it worked in a while
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22:52.43noobWinSo btw, was sources.list in get in apt in etc?
22:52.57pawbienoobWin: Nero should have a Tools -> Burn disc image (or something similar).  If you're getting all those options, you're probably accidentally burning the image as a file.
22:53.17noobWinnah, I told it to make a bootable
22:53.38pawbienoobWin: Right.  Which isn't an option when you burn an ISO.....
22:54.08noobWinWhat do you mean?
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22:54.31noobWinDon't clever me, I haven't slept since forever I get confused
22:54.40pawbienoobWin: ISO's are either bootable or not.  There's no way to make them bootable if they aren't and vice-versa.
22:54.49pawbieIt sounds like you're copying the ISO File instead of writing the ISO file to the disc.
22:55.17noobWinI did think choosing boot dsc is in burn mode bootable disc was strange
22:55.23pawbieya
22:55.31pawbieSo try again.  Use tools -> burn disc image (or similar).
22:55.49noobWinoh, so you figure it broke it?
22:55.57noobWinWas afraid that might happen
22:56.00azeem00:54 < pawbie> It sounds like you're copying the ISO File instead of writing the ISO file to the disc.
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22:56.56noobWinThat's what I get for being impatient. One perfectly cheap cd wasted :D
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22:57.14pawbieYou can make fashionable earrings from it.  Or cool sparks in a microwave.
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22:57.37Krylancelohola chicos
22:57.44noobWinI like my microwave, I'll pass
22:57.49pawbieNow...  back to why gdm won't start X, but startx as a user will.... ?
22:57.52Krylancelouna consulta alguien sabe usar knoppix
22:58.07markybob_Krylancelo, this isnt #knoppix
22:58.11noobWinoh yeah, I remember using that menu for my livecd, oh well
22:58.13simonrvn#knoppix
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22:58.38blubaustinhello
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23:00.13blubaustinI was wondering if it was possible for me to be able to have a make.conf in debian, so that when I compile programs the gcc optimizations are automaticlly used.
23:00.25dsdeizfbpanel looks nice
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23:03.51BCM43I should be able to mount a flash card like anything else, right?
23:04.16trip0right
23:04.19BCM43It does not seem to be being detected by my computer
23:04.44trip0probably bad hardware then
23:04.45simonrvncheck dmesg
23:04.55BCM43ok
23:05.59BCM43it says that I have a new sd card at 0002 and it gives the size.
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23:06.34BCM43brb
23:07.24blubaustinor would I need to use a "alias" in order to have the make command automatticlly enter the optimizations that I want
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23:08.16BCM43[  186.227556] mmc0: new SDHC card at address 0002 \n [  186.227864] mmcblk0: mmc0:0002 00000 7.67 GiB (ro) \n [  186.228104]  mmcblk0: p1 p2 < p5 >
23:08.36simonrvnblubaustin: there's no make.conf support. environment vairables, file editing for debian/rules and ./configure settings would be close approximation.
23:08.38BCM43how shold I mount it?
23:08.49simonrvnman mount
23:09.03simonrvnyou can install usbmount to do that for you
23:09.09BCM43simonrvn: I know how to mount, but how should I found out which to mount?
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23:09.48simonrvnoh try each one, though usually those aren't partitioned
23:10.02noobWin300 MiB free space should be enough for my old partition
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23:10.24nsadminBCM43: which one do you want to mount?
23:10.35nsadmin(and how would you find that out)
23:11.01BCM43A sd card. sda shows up in /dev but no sdb.
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23:11.19nsadminwhat's sda?
23:11.27pawbieBCM43: ?  You're looking for mmcblk0*
23:11.33BCM43nsadmin: my ssd in the laptop.
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23:12.30BCM43pawbie: ah, thanks, that explains it. I did not know that sd cards showed up in dev diffrently.
23:12.46nsadminhave you ever successfully mounted that card on that laptop?
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23:13.20BCM43pawbie: just did.
23:13.36nsadminoh, cool...
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23:13.44BCM43thanks for the help.
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23:16.33Titan8990I am looking at the man page for deboostrap and it uses this in the example but does not really explain its purpose: cho "8:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/chroot /sid-root " \ "/sbin/getty 38400 tty8"  >> /etc/inittab
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23:17.18nsadminTitan8990: starts the chroot and a few gettys
23:17.20Titan8990is this going to be standard on all installs or do i need find the inittab man page and rtfm
23:17.44nsadminthat would be easy to find: man 5 inittab
23:17.56Titan8990current distro doesn't use it
23:18.23Titan8990anyways... i had always started a chroot with the line before it: chroot /sid-root /bin/bash
23:18.28nsadminwell it's in debian
23:18.36nsadminwhich does use it
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23:18.55Titan8990i was just pointing out i don't have that man page and would need google
23:19.16Monkey_bhi, i installed debian using the netinst cd and only installed the 'standard' operating system with nothing else... if i wanted to install aptitude, how would i go about it? using dpkg?
23:19.29nsadminquite possibly it's in your sid chroot if anywhere
23:19.32Titan8990Monkey_b, apt-get install aptitude
23:19.46pawbieTitan8990: Weird.  I guess they want to automatically chroot and start a dedicated console on 8 for you?
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23:20.21Monkey_bTitan8990: thanks, lol
23:20.24Monkey_bi feel silly
23:21.12pawbieMonkey_b: You can install all apps from apt-get, too, if you don't want to play with aptitude.  apt-get install gnome-desktop, etc.
23:21.26nsadminTitan8990 and I'm only pointing out that with fairly minimal effort you can get to the man page if you ever want to
23:21.39pawbieTitan8990: What exactly was the question?
23:21.47Titan8990nsadmin, i know, i am reading it now... its not as long as i expected
23:21.48Monkey_bi thought apt-get was aptitude
23:21.51Monkey_bdamnit lol
23:22.06pawbieMonkey_b: aptitude is a little more visual. ;)
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23:23.36nsadminit also doubles as a command-line tool
23:23.37Titan8990pawbie, the question was whether or not that command fit into all systems
23:23.56nsadmin"all" is a strong word
23:23.59pawbieOnly systems that use inittab! ;)
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23:24.32Titan8990nsadmin, exactly... the documentation did not indicate that the value was a) required b) works on all systems
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23:24.47Titan8990so if a i was newb i would probably go typing in those commands...
23:24.49pawbieIt doesn't work on windows....
23:24.55darrh001sorry,i want to ask an off-topic question here.it seems that pidgin can no longer auto log into freenode,has anyone also encountered this problem?
23:25.01nsadminwhere did this documentation originate?
23:25.09Titan8990pawbie, well its from a debian chroot, so it will have inittabs
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23:25.18Titan8990!debootstrap
23:25.18dpkgdebootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg.  Useful for installing in a <chroot>.  It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.  Be aware that debootstrap can't include packages involving non-required Pre-Depends (e.g. `--include=linux-image-686' will fail), see #487908 in the <BTS>.  http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap
23:25.32Titan8990nsadmin, the wiki which is almost exactly the same as the very short man page
23:25.54nsadmindarrh001: maybe #freenode would have an answer if you dpon't find out here
23:26.22nsadminTitan8990: at which address?
23:26.52AK|laptopI'm trying to add an item to my Applications menu via the Main Menu editor-thing, but whenever I add a shortcut for a program, it doesn't show up, even in the editor. Why?
23:27.03Titan8990nsadmin, last thing on the factoid: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap
23:27.12nsadminoh ok
23:27.16Titan8990unless there is more info in the install guide
23:27.19Titan8990!install guide
23:27.20dpkgThe Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual .  See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
23:27.25nsadminnow I see the problem
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23:28.01nsadminso it's possible to run debootstrap on other dists of linux, some of which might not have inittab
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23:28.44Titan8990right, and the example in the wiki is "for instance, you can use debootstrap to install Debian onto an unused partition from a running Gentoo install." and i am in gentoo where is no inittab lol
23:28.49AK|laptopAh, never mind. It just wasn't showing up where I wanted it to.
23:29.02englaHi debianists. A recent update inverted the F1..F12 keys and the fn key's effect on them. Anyone seen than? I track debian testing.
23:29.10nsadminohh, gotcha
23:29.22Titan8990but then again it looks like its doing it from inside the chroot making a modification the inittab on the fresh debian install
23:29.35nsadminso on that gentoo, the example has purpose NULL :)
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23:29.57nsadmin(in answer to your original question)
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23:30.10darrh001nsadmin: thanks for the tip.But it seems to me more of a question of pidgin/empathy(I use sid and update everyday),and I can identify myself to freenode's NickServ without problem.So I just want to first check here if anyone who use pidgin(Debian unstable)  also had this problem too.
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23:30.20Arrowmasterits making a tty for the chroot
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23:31.07Monkey_bquestion, i seem to be able to ssh locally from my box to itself... but not from other boxes, do i need to do something with iptables or something?
23:31.08Titan8990nsadmin, alright, thanks, when i am done I might do some work on wiki page
23:31.16nsadminTitan8990: oh, so you're saying it's altering the inittab in the chroot?
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23:31.28Titan8990nsadmin, from my understanding, yes
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23:31.43Arrowmasterits not
23:31.55bittin-!kernels
23:31.56Titan8990Arrowmaster, it does chroot prior to executing that command
23:31.57dpkgLinux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20090915, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.31-git4, mainline 2.6: 2.6.31    , stable 2.6: 2.6.31    , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.7  , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6  , stable 2.6.28: 2.6.28.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.34 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.6
23:32.22bittin-has anyone updated their Debian kernel to 2.6.31
23:32.24bittin-?
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23:32.34ArrowmasterTitan8990: no its back to 'main #' for that command
23:32.37Titan8990oh i see...
23:32.40Titan8990it changes the PS1...
23:32.50karstenbittin-: better to ask your question than run a poll.
23:32.54karsten!tell bittin- about polls
23:33.09Titan8990well, still, new things should not be introduced in the final example
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23:33.49Titan8990but atleast i know what to do now
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23:34.47Monkey_bquestion, i seem to be able to ssh locally from my box to itself... but not from other boxes, do i need to do something with iptables or something?
23:35.11Titan8990install openssh-server
23:35.15Monkey_bi did
23:35.25Monkey_bi seem to be able to ssh to myself locally, just not from other boxes
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23:35.45Monkey_bwierd
23:35.49nsadminMonkey_b: what other boxes? are you behind a masq?
23:36.01KarlitasAre there anyway to restart my session without restaring my computer? I altered a file that will show up in the menu, but I dont want to restart the pc. How can I do?
23:36.04Titan8990Monkey_b, there is no iptables rules defined by default
23:36.18Titan8990so firewall on the local machine would not be an issue unless you configured it yourself
23:36.28ArrowmasterKarlitas: logout will restart X i think
23:36.37Titan8990Karlitas, ctrl+alt+backspace twice
23:36.41pawbieI found a bug report with my same issue (same card, too).  The user says they've disabled glx in xorg.conf and it works now.  Is disabling glx just removing/commenting the line, or is there a blacklist?
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23:36.53KarlitasTitan8990: That does not work, I am on "wine" , does it make a difference?
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23:37.18Titan8990Karlitas, it may if it made any sense
23:37.22hrad_guys is it safe not to unmount sshfs and shutdown ?
23:37.32hrad_for the data
23:37.35Titan8990wine is an application for running windows programs in linux
23:37.36nsadminyou'll need to hit rehab if wine is a problematic habit :)
23:37.38KarlitasTitan8990: Hum, well cause it doesnt work ctrl + alt + backspace
23:37.39bpunhrad_, huh?
23:37.56Titan8990Karlitas, are you using a DE such as gnome or kde?
23:37.58bpunhrad_, the mountscript auto dismount before shutdown
23:38.05ArrowmasterKarlitas: ctrl-alt-backspace is disabled by default now, just logout and log back in
23:38.28Karlitasnone of it Titan8990
23:38.33hrad_bpun: started by cron ?
23:38.36KarlitasArrowmaster: Im on a seedbox, so on vnc :(
23:38.50bpunhrad_, its still fine
23:38.59ArrowmasterKarlitas: then how do you have a menu?
23:39.03hrad_or is there any better way with shutdown ?
23:39.09Titan8990vnc session can click logout...
23:39.21bpunhrad_, even if u manually did a mount cmd.. the unmount script should peruse with wildcard
23:39.23KarlitasI only have "quit" :P
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23:39.40nsadminshutdown normally runs scripts that unmount everything
23:39.40ArrowmasterKarlitas: so do that
23:39.40hrad_ok, thank you
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23:40.11KarlitasArrowmaster: If I quit, how am I supposed to start it? :S
23:40.20Ben_90helllo
23:40.24Ben_90hello*
23:40.28Arrowmasteryou cant reconnect?
23:40.43Ben_90i need help.
23:40.53Titan8990!ask
23:40.54dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:40.58Titan8990Ben_90, thats why we are here
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23:41.36Ben_90i want to access my windows hard disk in debian , how do i make that possible?
23:41.49Titan8990Ben_90, aptitude install ntfs-3g
23:41.49Monkey_bTitan8990: you are correct, it was working fine, was a network issue :]
23:41.54Ben_90ok
23:41.58Ben_90thanks
23:41.58KarlitasArrowmaster: Ok maybe I am a fool or I dont understand or both. I nevr run linux.. I know in Windows if you click quit the computer turns off. How would I be able to turn it on again, I am using a vnc, the computer is in france
23:41.59Ben_90brb
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23:42.20Titan8990Karlitas, it all depends on the setup
23:42.56ArrowmasterKarlitas: unless you are logged in as root over vnc it should be impossible for you to shut it down
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23:43.03Titan8990karihre, there are many different ways to start an x session and w/o knowing the setup, we couldn't say for sure
23:43.25Titan8990if it uses a DE and DM, you would get thrown to a graphical login screen
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23:43.32catsupof course it is also possible to have vnc to a network KVM or a virtual machine with a bios
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23:45.55nvzhow can i get photos from an ipod photo to a debian box? gtkpod will let me view them full sized and remove them but not copy.
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23:47.10Ben_90how do it mount it?
23:47.34markybob_Ben_90, you read ntfs-3g's faq
23:47.41Ben_90brb
23:47.57Ben_90where do i find that
23:47.59noobWinYeeeah, as much free space as I might have debinst partman can't partition my bloody disc
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23:49.04nvzpartman doesnt work with bloody discs. clean it off and try again.
23:49.11noobWinmight have to run chkdsk in win before trying to install again...
23:49.13noobWinYeah
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23:50.44Ben_90where is the ntfs-3g faq?
23:51.13adb<PROTECTED>
23:51.17bpunBearman, /usr/share/doc/ntfs-3g ?
23:51.17markybob_Ben_90, probably on ntfs-3g's website.  have you ever heard of google?
23:51.32markybob_Ben_90, stop being annoying and look shit up
23:51.37catsuplol
23:51.49Ben_90my bad.
23:51.52bpunBen_90, ^
23:51.57bpunBen_90, apropos ntfs
23:52.09noobWinUhhh "If you havenot finished the install, your system may be left in an unstable state."
23:52.16bpunBen_90, (  /usr/share/doc/ntfs-3g ?  )
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23:52.36noobWinShould've let me cruise into doom in  the bliss of ignorance
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23:53.39noobWinYou think that not checking the hash against the ISO is a good idea?
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23:54.44bittin-are there any package somewhere or do i need to compile it?
23:54.46bittin-was my real question
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23:55.25Ben_90how do i find out where my windows hard drive?
23:55.55Ben_90is +
23:55.56noobWinHelp! I'm now looking at 'Boot:_'
23:56.05Ben_90?
23:56.10abrotmanBen_90: cat /proc/partitions ? dmesg? mount?
23:56.21Ben_90brb'
23:56.40noobWinHit escape at the wrong time it seems
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23:57.05noobWinOh, might just have to remove the CD
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23:57.37noobWinany idea what to do when the bootloader asks boot:?
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23:57.45karstenBen_90: check /proc/partitions.  Check your current mounts.  Should be one of your un-mounted partitions.
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23:58.14noobWinCould not find kernel image:C
23:58.21noobWinI'm fucked now
23:58.25karstennoobWin: hit <enter> or <return> for default boot, F1 IIRC goes to help.  ctrl-alt-del will reboot if you want to try again w/o the CD.
23:58.53noobWinOh yeah, should have tried that first
23:59.07karstennoobWin: You have or have not completed your Debian install?
23:59.21karstennoobWin: There's also a very handy and complete installation document.
23:59.48noobWinThanks, I got the graphics back
23:59.54noobWintexts

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