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| 00:00.12 | karsten | !tell bittin- about kernel |
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| 00:00.14 | noobWin | there's something peculiar about it,none of it seems to tell me anything about exiting |
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| 00:00.31 | Ben_90 | i'm gonna paste my partition details |
| 00:00.41 | Ben_90 | do i use pastebin? |
| 00:00.52 | karsten | Ben_90: Preferably, yes. |
| 00:00.58 | Ben_90 | ok brb |
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| 00:01.37 | karsten | Ben_90: I don't happen to know any way of automatically determining filesystem types, though mount has heuristics for that. |
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| 00:02.07 | Ben_90 | go to : http://debian.pastebin.com/d37530682 |
| 00:02.21 | noobWin | OK managed it, thanks for the quick helps |
| 00:02.52 | noobWin | Now on to figure out how to partition a drive partman couldn't |
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| 00:03.40 | mns | Is ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list the only way to find out what packages got installed on my system today ? |
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| 00:05.12 | catsup | no |
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| 00:05.29 | mns | What is a better way ? |
| 00:06.06 | catsup | you might look at /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 00:06.30 | mns | Nice. Thanks. |
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| 00:08.05 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to disable a mime entry in /etc/mailcap? I don't want iceweasel to open my rss feeds. |
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| 00:10.16 | dsdeiz | hello, i did this to have X: apt-get install xserver-xorg xorg xinit <- uhm, is that correct? |
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| 00:12.19 | rudi_s | dsdeiz: It's correct. xorg would have been enough and have a look at /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 00:12.57 | rudi_s | dsdeiz: Now you need a window manager to work comfortable with X. |
| 00:13.01 | catsup | uhh |
| 00:13.08 | dsdeiz | rudi_s: oh hehehe good thing thanks.. hmm, then i guess i'll start using aptitude |
| 00:13.09 | catsup | !why aptitude |
| 00:13.09 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 00:13.19 | dsdeiz | rudi_s: i'm using openbox with fbpanel |
| 00:13.22 | catsup | apt-get can remove one page at the same time as installing others |
| 00:13.30 | catsup | what is dpkg talking about? |
| 00:13.52 | dsdeiz | kinda got used to ubuntu's apt-get :D |
| 00:13.59 | rudi_s | dsdeiz: Then you should be fine. |
| 00:14.00 | themill | catsup: it can't do that with the interactive resolver though |
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| 00:14.12 | catsup | oh |
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| 00:14.27 | d1b | any one know why the openssl package just got an update ? |
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| 00:14.39 | catsup | isn't there a changelog? |
| 00:14.44 | dsdeiz | rudi_s: thanks, just wanted to make sure i got everything correctly. now all i need to configure are my sounds. hehe |
| 00:14.46 | themill | d1b: there's a DSA and a changelog to go with it |
| 00:14.46 | rudi_s | d1b: Security update. |
| 00:15.35 | catsup | perhaps it was using '0' for every private key |
| 00:15.46 | catsup | heheheh |
| 00:16.25 | rudi_s | By the way, is it somehow possible to get the changelog from aptitude? I get a 404 for the path. |
| 00:16.33 | noobWin | Am I guessing right that sharing parittions between OS-installs isn't a good idea |
| 00:16.41 | abrotman | depends on the partition |
| 00:17.14 | noobWin | XP vs Debian |
| 00:18.11 | mns | has anyone noticed a degradation in performance for iceweasel after an upgrade of xorg from 7.3 to 7.4 ? |
| 00:18.24 | catsup | noobWin: it's no problem |
| 00:18.39 | noobWin | Also, it is odd, I have 5,1 GiB out of 74,6 free on my HDD and Partman ounly found 8 MB of 80 GB free |
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| 00:19.25 | noobWin | I'll try if I can partition now that chkdsk has deleted some excess |
| 00:19.44 | catsup | noobWin: partman is looking for unpartitioned space, is that what you're talking about when you say 5 gigs free? |
| 00:20.08 | noobWin | I have no idea, it is unused disc space |
| 00:20.20 | noobWin | that is, empty of files, it is NTFS |
| 00:20.24 | catsup | right |
| 00:20.25 | catsup | well |
| 00:20.30 | noobWin | AFAIK, since it has been full to the brim |
| 00:20.32 | catsup | i'm sure that's the reasno for the discrepency |
| 00:20.33 | mentor | unpartitioned space is space not assigned to a filesystem, like NTFS |
| 00:20.50 | noobWin | ok |
| 00:21.05 | catsup | you need to shrink your ntfs partition if you want to make that space available for another filesystem |
| 00:21.20 | noobWin | does parman know how to split a partitioin? |
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| 00:21.33 | noobWin | oh shrink |
| 00:21.45 | noobWin | ok, I'll try the shrinking again, gave me an error last time |
| 00:22.07 | whoza | gadmin-bind is freezing any time i click "Restart", never used to do this .. just noticed recently, dunno what changed or how to fix it :| any suggests? |
| 00:22.19 | noobWin | too bad the /var/ I sent all those screenshots to... :D |
| 00:22.34 | \3TATUK | gadmin-bind is freezing any time i click "Restart", never used to do this .. just noticed recently, dunno what changed or how to fix it :| any suggests? |
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| 00:23.36 | catsup | is partman in debian? |
| 00:23.39 | jpinx-eeepc | noobWin: did you try fdisk -l ? |
| 00:24.03 | noobWin | looked like it catsup |
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| 00:24.23 | noobWin | the screencap filenames had partman in them, during the install |
| 00:24.24 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions partman |
| 00:24.25 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: partman -- |
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| 00:24.36 | noobWin | I don't know about fdisk |
| 00:24.43 | jpinx-eeepc | noobWin: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 00:25.28 | catsup | noobWin: try gparted for that kind of stuff |
| 00:25.51 | noobWin | "today's netinstall" it was 503 anway |
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| 00:26.35 | jpinx-eeepc | noobWin: what's the output of " cat /etc/debian_version " ? |
| 00:26.41 | noobWin | shrinking a partition? |
| 00:26.54 | noobWin | partman should hypothetically be capable |
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| 00:27.11 | noobWin | I had disc errors I forgot to remove before the last instll launch |
| 00:27.16 | jpinx-eeepc | noobWin: partman is not in debian |
| 00:28.35 | noobWin | I'm in th einstaller atm jpinx |
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| 00:29.08 | noobWin | I assumed it was partman,Idon't know for sure |
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| 00:29.25 | noobWin | it seemed as such from the screencap filenames |
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| 00:32.09 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, you still around? |
| 00:32.42 | noobWin | I'm using http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-netinst.iso from http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 00:35.40 | noobWin | fucking crap, the installer won't skip back to one of the pages |
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| 00:36.56 | abrotman | yes it will |
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| 00:36.58 | noobWin | Next time I meet itI want to ask what all the 4 guided partitioning modes mean |
| 00:37.17 | noobWin | well, I might have to read the list it gives me properly then |
| 00:37.49 | noobWin | cause if I go back to keyboard selection it skips over it and goes to the second page of partitioning (BTW I'm using the 'nongraphical') |
| 00:38.15 | Titan8990 | why would i want do this on the host system that i am using to install lenny via debootstrap? echo "proc /sid-root/proc proc none 0 0" >> /etc/fstab |
| 00:38.50 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:38.50 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 00:41.07 | Titan8990 | abrotman, alright, i had looked at that once before but i missed the debootstrap thrown in the "random bits" at the bottom |
| 00:41.26 | Titan8990 | abrotman, apparently the wiki/man page docs are terrible |
| 00:41.36 | abrotman | Titan8990: that wasn't for you :) |
| 00:41.43 | noobWin | yeah, hope it tells me lots about partitioning, the 'select a device to remove all partitions in it and create a new empty partition table.' sounds confusing |
| 00:42.14 | abrotman | and not good if you have data on the drive |
| 00:42.17 | Titan8990 | abrotman, oh... lol it might have worked though |
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| 00:42.26 | noobWin | oh erm, which one is etch and which one was lenny |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | etch is oldstable, lenny is stable |
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| 00:43.14 | noobWin | OH NM! etch is 4.0 |
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| 00:46.59 | noobWin | Ah,just to mention when I was rambling about the desktop enviroment selection comparison I meant that page http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/apds02.html.en |
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| 00:49.31 | Titan8990 | i don't see how i fail so much at this when i have installed gentoo many times from a chroot |
| 00:49.47 | Titan8990 | http://pastebin.com/m21637f19 |
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| 00:50.18 | abrotman | gentoo is for n00bs ? |
| 00:50.24 | Titan8990 | must be |
| 00:50.32 | noobWin | No it isn't! |
| 00:50.35 | noobWin | Hahahaha :( |
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| 00:51.04 | abrotman | am i missing the fail part ? |
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| 00:51.48 | pawbie | Under Debian Squeeze with Nvidia prop drivers... gdm won't start, but the logs all show no errors. Xorg.0.log ends at "Initializing GLX module." But I can log in as a user and startx without issue... Any ideas? |
| 00:51.49 | Titan8990 | abrotman, it lacks a directory structure, how could i chroot into that? |
| 00:51.56 | Titan8990 | no shell binary |
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| 00:53.07 | Titan8990 | i hate failure because |
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| 00:53.23 | Titan8990 | err because "automagic" didn't work |
| 00:53.36 | Titan8990 | would rather i messed something up, easier to correct |
| 00:54.30 | abrotman | you did the /msg dpkg debootstrap dance ? |
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| 00:56.21 | Titan8990 | !debootstrap dance |
| 00:56.35 | Titan8990 | doesn't return anything |
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| 00:57.40 | abrotman | !tell Titan8990 about debootstrap |
| 00:57.48 | Titan8990 | oh, yeah |
| 00:58.05 | Titan8990 | points to wiki and install guide |
| 00:58.12 | Titan8990 | wiki is basically a copy of the man page |
| 00:58.12 | noobWin | Oh I found my lost menu |
| 00:58.18 | Titan8990 | with tons of stuff stripped out |
| 00:59.09 | Titan8990 | which are pretty different from each other, the install guide version looking a lot more like i would get a working system |
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| 01:00.37 | Titan8990 | although they are both the same the part where i fail is the same in both |
| 01:00.44 | Titan8990 | and is counting on the script to do the magic |
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| 01:04.01 | kspaans | I'm trying to install 5.03 from a netinstall CD. I've got an Asus A8v-MX with a VIA VT8251 southbridge. Debian can't detect the hard disk controller. The CD's using a 2.6.26 kernel, so shouldn't it have the necessary drivers? |
| 01:04.11 | kspaans | Should I try the full CD instead? |
| 01:04.43 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 01:04.44 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
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| 01:04.53 | abrotman | kspaans: the full CD1 wold have the same kernel |
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| 01:05.22 | abrotman | kspaans: wait .. the a8v-mx is a few years old right ? |
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| 01:06.17 | kspaans | abrotman: Yep, it's a socket 939, AMD Athlon X2. |
| 01:06.27 | kspaans | For the processor that is.... |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | kspaans: is there an option in the BIOS for the SATA controller to change modes ? |
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| 01:07.03 | kspaans | abrotman: Yes, I found an old mailing list post saying it worked in "AHCI" mode. I tried, but it didn't seem to help. |
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| 01:07.14 | wzerocoul | KOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEee |
| 01:07.18 | kspaans | abrotman: Before it was in "SATA" mode. Options are SATA, RAID, and AHCI. |
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| 01:07.37 | abrotman | i'd try ahci |
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| 01:07.45 | pawbie | doh |
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| 01:07.50 | markybob_ | i'd try percocet |
| 01:08.45 | kspaans | abrotman: I've tried but I could try again. :) |
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| 01:10.17 | wzerocoul | / |
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| 01:11.40 | Techie-Micheal | What's the current kernel for 5.0.3? |
| 01:11.55 | kspaans | Techie-Micheal: My CD shows 2.6.26 |
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| 01:12.03 | Techie-Micheal | kspaans: Thanks. :) |
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| 01:12.43 | kspaans | abrotman: What else can I do to try can diagnose the problem? Should I just figure out how to compile the correct module for that kernel? (I know which module I need) |
| 01:14.01 | abrotman | kspaans: that was a pretty common mobo IIRC .. find it odd it doesn't work |
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| 01:14.27 | kspaans | abrotman: Yeah, I've had lots of trouble with this hardware, I'd bet that it's just flaky. |
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| 01:17.05 | abrotman | kspaans: and the BIOS sees the drive just fine ? |
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| 01:17.33 | Titan8990 | you can try to install debian from a livecd chroot |
| 01:17.35 | Titan8990 | j/k |
| 01:18.30 | kspaans | abrotman: Yep, Windows has never had trouble runnig on this PC (which is the frustrating part). |
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| 01:18.44 | kspaans | abrotman: And Linux works just fine if I use an IDE hard drive. |
| 01:19.03 | kspaans | Titan8990: Actually, I haven't tried a liveCD yet. |
| 01:19.08 | abrotman | kspaans: so you've tried other distros with the same issue ? |
| 01:19.18 | kspaans | abrotman: Heh, that's another idea. :P |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | kspaans: or see the kmuto page listed above |
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| 01:20.20 | noobWin | Still, looks like I won't be able to use Debian for partitioning |
| 01:20.31 | Titan8990 | abrotman, i just did debootstrap on a lenny host system and it appears to be working properly now |
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| 01:21.02 | Titan8990 | abrotman, i just have to rsync the files over |
| 01:21.26 | noobWin | Any idea how I could do the following in Deb installer?: check /var/log/syslog or virtual1 console4 |
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| 01:22.00 | abrotman | hit alt-f4 |
| 01:22.12 | kspaans | abrotman: Ahh, didn't see that. Thanks, I'll give it a try. |
| 01:22.26 | noobWin | Oh,cool. Two bootloaders I saw in the list |
| 01:22.52 | noobWin | Ouch,not nice |
| 01:22.57 | fbc_mx | How can I fix this dependancy problem? http://pastebin.ca/1567780 |
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| 01:23.38 | markybob_ | fbc_mx, touch /etc/courier/authdaemonrc |
| 01:23.41 | noobWin | Looks like I forgot to follow my chkdsk prescription properly forgot I had to run/f/r |
| 01:24.05 | AK|laptop | Okay, this is weird... I go to download updates. I get the list. I hit Install. I enter root pw. It... checks for updates again and doesn't install them. wtf? |
| 01:24.39 | fbc_mx | markybob_, didn't seem to help |
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| 01:25.16 | noobWin | ntfsclone works in the installer? oh yeah it offered a rescue mode |
| 01:25.36 | abrotman | AK|laptop: using hte update-manager ? |
| 01:25.40 | noobWin | is there documentation what it can feed the data to? |
| 01:25.47 | AK|laptop | abrotman: Yup. |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | AK|laptop: it lies |
| 01:26.30 | AK|laptop | abrotman: About what? |
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| 01:27.23 | abrotman | needing updates ? |
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| 01:27.49 | AK|laptop | Weird. It lists 11.7 MB of them. |
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| 01:31.28 | noobWin | Lovely.I guess I might actually have to do as the doctor sez |
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| 01:33.10 | noobWin | So what wasthat about Lenny not using partman? ;P |
| 01:33.18 | fbc_mx | How can I fix this dependancy problem? http://pastebin.ca/1567780 |
| 01:33.18 | noobWin | Oh,that's offtopic,pardon |
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| 01:34.00 | markybob_ | fbc_mx, you still havent done what i said. if you had, that error wouldnt be happing. "/etc/courier/authdaemonrc: No such file or directory" |
| 01:34.43 | markybob_ | fbc_mx, basically if you dont care to follow simple instructions, please stop bothering us |
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| 01:36.14 | fbc_mx | markybob_, I did however the rro is different now |
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| 01:36.20 | fbc_mx | markybob_, I did however the rro is different nowrro=error |
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| 01:36.54 | fbc_mx | markybob_, http://pastebin.ca/1567798 |
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| 01:37.42 | pawbie | Head pain. If I startx on session 1, then restart gdm, it works. If I start gdm alone (or let init start it), and it silently dies... |
| 01:37.47 | fbc_mx | markybob_, now it says somethign about a config file missing but doesn't say which one like the previous erros.. so I started "touching" all the ones that were missing. |
| 01:38.06 | fbc_mx | markybob_, now I got to one that doesn0t give me a name or path... |
| 01:38.08 | abrotman | fbc_mx: you removed the package then deleted the conf files didn't you ? |
| 01:38.20 | fbc_mx | abrotman, guilty as charged... |
| 01:38.40 | abrotman | !tell fbc_mx about confmiss |
| 01:38.57 | fbc_mx | learning the hard way.. |
| 01:40.41 | beardy | As long as one learns.. |
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| 01:42.20 | fbc_mx | abrotman, I tried : apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install courier-pop but It still does not recreate the files. What now? |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | fbc_mx: wrong package |
| 01:42.46 | abrotman | you probably want courier-base |
| 01:43.31 | fbc_mx | abrotman, did that one too... |
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| 01:43.54 | fbc_mx | abrotman, that one brought me along further to this one.. |
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| 01:44.15 | abrotman | fbc_mx: just do all the packages |
| 01:44.49 | fbc_mx | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1567808 |
| 01:45.06 | fbc_mx | abrotman, how do I do all the package all at once? |
| 01:45.23 | abrotman | put them all on the same line |
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| 01:49.23 | noobWin | Looks like I won't be using my HDD based OS for a while, timeto get LXDE liveCD |
| 01:51.41 | noobWin | Or USB |
| 01:51.42 | fbc_mx | abrotman, still didn't work... it says it's missing invoke-rc.d |
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| 01:54.19 | abrotman | fbc_mx: htf did you remove that ? |
| 01:54.22 | abrotman | fbc_mx: paste it |
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| 01:57.44 | fbc_mx | http://pastebin.ca/1567808 |
| 01:58.04 | fbc_mx | abrotman, I did a rm -r /etc/courier |
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| 01:58.24 | fbc_mx | abrotman, that's how this whole mess got started |
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| 01:58.54 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:59.17 | fbc_mx | abrotman, I wanted to start with a fresh lamp server install. |
| 01:59.32 | markybob_ | what does lamp have to do with courier? |
| 01:59.36 | abrotman | courier isn't part of lamp! |
| 01:59.44 | markybob_ | my god |
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| 02:00.16 | abrotman | fbc_mx: i said to reinstall all the packages |
| 02:00.21 | fbc_mx | abrotman, I know but the DTC installation failed due to problems with the locales.... so I wanted to uninstall it and try syscp... |
| 02:01.38 | fbc_mx | abrotman, then I ran into an amavid-new problem not wanting to uninstall, and eventually googled the problem and found a solution in delete it's home directory and config files manually, and thought that might work for courier as well... |
| 02:02.03 | fbc_mx | abrotman, long story shot but basically that was what happened. |
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| 02:03.38 | fbc_mx | abrotman, I wish I could run some magical command to restore the missing files in /etc/courier. Got one? |
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| 02:03.56 | Stro0der | apt-get purge and reinstall? |
| 02:04.07 | abrotman | fbc_mx: i told you |
| 02:04.25 | markybob_ | Stro0der, dont bother. |
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| 02:04.44 | mangospork | Hey all, I'm in debian. Just hooked up my secondary monitor. 1920x1200 primary, and 1680x1050 secondary to the right. And it's defaulting the right one to 640x480...can somebody help me? Nvidia-settings doesn't have any choices either. :/ |
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| 02:06.17 | fbc_mx | abrotman, when I try apt-get re |
| 02:06.31 | fbc_mx | abrotman, when I try apt-get install courier-base courier-pop-ssl libfam0 courier-pop courier-ssl fam courier-authdaemon courier-authlib-userdb courier-imap courier-authlib-mysql portmap I get the same problem |
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| 02:06.41 | abrotman | but you're not using the confmiss option |
| 02:06.56 | pipeline | mangospork: nvidia-settings is your only help there |
| 02:07.09 | pipeline | mangospork: that, or define your own "metamodes" in the X configuration. But that fucking sucks. You want to use nvidia-settings. |
| 02:07.39 | fbc_mx | abrotman I tried it both way and I still get a ERR: config file missing |
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| 02:08.00 | abrotman | fbc_mx: so when you do that .. show us the output |
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| 02:08.41 | saucerful | If I start applications in X where does their standard output go? |
| 02:08.59 | markybob_ | saucerful, your mama's house |
| 02:09.01 | saucerful | im looking in /var/log and dont see anywhere |
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| 02:10.04 | pawbie | saucerful: Normal applications wouldn't be in /var/log |
| 02:10.05 | saucerful | is there a way to have it go to a file for all applications |
| 02:10.05 | saucerful | without having to add " > /var/log/blah" to all the launchers |
| 02:10.05 | saucerful | markybob_, good one |
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| 02:10.17 | saucerful | where would they be |
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| 02:10.42 | pawbie | saucerful: Nowhere. Are you starting them through alt+f2 or similar? |
| 02:10.51 | saucerful | yeah |
| 02:10.55 | noobWin | HEre's a nice idea, Debian on MicroSD... |
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| 02:11.03 | pawbie | saucerful: It goes to space. |
| 02:11.12 | fbc_mx | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1567825 |
| 02:11.38 | pawbie | noobWin: livemagic can help you make a bootable removable. |
| 02:11.39 | saucerful | hmmm, there's no way to automatically redirect it to a file |
| 02:11.39 | saucerful | ? |
| 02:11.44 | saucerful | pawbie, that seem silly, no? |
| 02:11.54 | pawbie | saucerful: alt+f2 /path/my/file/executable > ~/output |
| 02:12.14 | pawbie | saucerful: Doesn't seem silly to me. If I'm not starting it in a console or double clicking the icon in nautilus, I don't really want to see the output. |
| 02:12.37 | saucerful | if you double click the icon in nautilus where would the output go? |
| 02:12.47 | markybob_ | saucerful, that's the point. there is none |
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| 02:13.38 | saucerful | i see |
| 02:13.47 | saucerful | pawbie, okay thanks |
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| 02:13.57 | Matatron | sry... someone know a german Debian channel? |
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| 02:14.03 | abrotman | fbc_mx: does /etc/courier/pop3d exist ? |
| 02:14.08 | Tramp | !de |
| 02:14.08 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 02:14.36 | Matatron | ah ok... thx |
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| 02:16.33 | fbc_mx | abrotman, should I touch it? or is it a dir? |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | is it there? |
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| 02:17.17 | fbc_mx | abrotman, nope |
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| 02:18.14 | abrotman | fbc_mx: try `dpkg -P courier-pop;apt-get install courier-pop` |
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| 02:20.07 | fbc_mx | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1567837 |
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| 02:20.29 | abrotman | bleh .. |
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| 02:20.51 | abrotman | fbc_mx: touch /etc/courier/pop3d and try again |
| 02:21.15 | noobWin | Hey, uhh.I never askedthe important followup question |
| 02:21.46 | noobWin | You brought me into the console...oh. Alt-F4 to switch out again? |
| 02:22.07 | abrotman | alt-f1 ? |
| 02:22.26 | noobWin | Thanks |
| 02:22.42 | noobWin | Someone should write a famous textbook about such functionality :/ |
| 02:22.50 | Matatron | hello... my english is not very well but... someone know where i can find german suppot for Debian at this time? |
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| 02:23.09 | abrotman | !de |
| 02:23.10 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 02:23.33 | noobWin | hm,there's actually a save debug logs in the installer main menu... |
| 02:24.03 | Matatron | abrotman what do youe mean with "!de" |
| 02:24.12 | markybob_ | heh |
| 02:24.13 | Matatron | ? |
| 02:24.13 | markybob_ | wow |
| 02:24.18 | markybob_ | some people |
| 02:24.20 | fbc_mx | abrotman, after I did than a reran that dpkg command I get "unable to find 'distinguished_name' in config" |
| 02:24.23 | noobWin | Heh |
| 02:24.44 | noobWin | Read what dpkg said Matatronn |
| 02:24.48 | abrotman | fbc_mx: this is why you don't manually remove config files |
| 02:25.08 | abrotman | fbc_mx: pastebin please |
| 02:26.16 | noobWin | oh, debug files can be saved to floppy, mounted FS or tha web |
| 02:27.09 | fbc_mx | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1567843 |
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| 02:28.05 | Matatron | :( |
| 02:28.06 | Matatron | I do not understand what has to do with dpkg on irc (translated with google) |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | fbc_mx: i'm going to guess you're going to have to dpkg -P all those packages |
| 02:28.57 | abrotman | fbc_mx: try to reintsall them one by one til you find out which breaks it |
| 02:28.58 | zinx | Matatron: <dpkg> deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) |
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| 02:30.19 | jsubl2 | what do i check to ensure the hwclock is being handled as localtime |
| 02:30.57 | zinx | jsubl2: dualboot windows. if the time is wrong, you're handling it properly as UTC instead of in localtime. |
| 02:31.21 | jsubl2 | dualboot fedora |
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| 02:31.57 | zinx | i thought windows was the only OS that couldn't handle having the correct time in the bios |
| 02:32.14 | jsubl2 | fedora has a checkbox for utc or no |
| 02:32.25 | jsubl2 | wondering how to do that in debian |
| 02:32.47 | noobWin | Thought I always had correct bios time,but I'm not adequate right now |
| 02:32.47 | abrotman | jsubl2: /etc/default/rcS |
| 02:32.53 | jsubl2 | tx abrotman |
| 02:33.01 | fbc_mx | abrotman, I'm on it |
| 02:34.01 | jsubl2 | yep that is the place. thanks again |
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| 02:37.54 | fbc_mx | abrotman, ok did them all the problem still persists... |
| 02:38.15 | abrotman | fbc_mx: which problem? you have so many |
| 02:38.50 | fbc_mx | abrotman, Is there anyway to force an remove --purge? |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | you can put an exit 0 at the top of the prerm script for the package .. it won't try to do anything, it'll just remove the files |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | an "exit 0" on the line after the shebang |
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| 02:40.21 | fbc_mx | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1567852 |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | fbc_mx: you'll have to start at the higher programs like courier-imap or courier-pop |
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| 02:44.17 | fbc_mx | abrotman, I did them all... |
| 02:44.42 | fbc_mx | abrotman, I wonder if creating those that were missing prevents the dpkg -P command from recreating them |
| 02:45.05 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 02:45.25 | fbc_mx | abrotman, remember we touched a few files.. |
| 02:45.53 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 02:46.22 | fbc_mx | so maybe the dpkg command saw the files and decided not to restore them... |
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| 02:52.30 | Tapout | why doesn't debian packports immediately patch and release postgresql 8.4.1 .. it's a security concern.. they're waiting 5 days, why is that? |
| 02:53.07 | abrotman | Tapout: it's not an official resource |
| 02:53.20 | Tapout | oh, really? hrmm |
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| 03:04.01 | xeon-enouf | Tapout: backports.org is a luxury (basically) |
| 03:04.47 | xeon-enouf | Tapout: the Stable security team cannot possibly keep current with all (in) backports |
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| 03:05.05 | abrotman | nor is it part of their plan .. |
| 03:05.20 | Shazzamy_ | wtf |
| 03:05.58 | xeon-enouf | never was, never will be |
| 03:06.51 | xeon-enouf | Shazzamy_: wtf wtf? |
| 03:07.16 | Shazzamy_ | wtf wtfw tfw? |
| 03:07.18 | Shazzamy_ | hahah |
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| 03:07.28 | xeon-enouf | no hahaha ... |
| 03:08.15 | xeon-enouf | Shazzamy_: i mean .. are you seeing a 'netsplit' or something? i see nutzing! </Sgt. Shultz> |
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| 03:10.59 | Shazzamy_ | yeah idk |
| 03:11.07 | Shazzamy_ | somethign is pissing me off |
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| 03:13.17 | xeon-enouf | Shazzamy_: get over it |
| 03:13.29 | Shazzamy_ | no because |
| 03:13.32 | Shazzamy_ | it's iphonelinux |
| 03:13.49 | Shazzamy_ | http://www.iphonelinux.org/ |
| 03:14.00 | Shazzamy_ | is down, it's been down for awhile now |
| 03:14.56 | xeon-enouf | Shazzamy_: what's an iphone? |
| 03:15.14 | xeon-enouf | Shazzamy_: have you seen the new iDunno? |
| 03:16.04 | xeon-enouf | Shazzamy_: and i must ask .. is your cape clean? |
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| 03:20.15 | xeon-enouf | manufacturers one massive iPoop :-P |
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| 03:22.35 | nsadmin | just for my edification... you added "xeon-"? |
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| 03:23.25 | nsadmin | oh is that your cpu? |
| 03:24.08 | adb | arm ? |
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| 03:26.11 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: yeah ... i know, not too original :-P |
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| 03:26.40 | xeon-enouf | hands adb an arm and a hammer .. and a leg ;-) |
| 03:27.09 | nsadmin | oh, I was just curious as I got the impression lately you changed your nick moreorless permanently |
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| 03:35.28 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: i run debian on older boxen - this dual CPU xeon (2x 1.7GHz) MP machine is one of my best curbside grabs :-) |
| 03:36.04 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: p4 .. ~ and uses RD-RAM :-) |
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| 03:40.48 | xeon-enouf | needs to replace some CRIMMs with RIMMs ;-P |
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| 03:43.19 | tawan | mount -o remount,ro / mount: / is busy :/ how do I get around that? |
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| 03:45.24 | dsdeiz | mounting the whole file system? is that what it's meant? |
| 03:46.01 | tawan | dsdeiz, trying to remount root fs as read only so i can then do further work |
| 03:47.13 | CodeNinja | why can root only mount ? |
| 03:47.15 | CodeNinja | :( |
| 03:47.21 | CodeNinja | I hate having to mount images as root |
| 03:48.13 | dkr | make fstab entries with user option to allow user to mount |
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| 03:50.14 | CodeNinja | dkr: ? I understand fstab, but how do I specify that? |
| 03:50.49 | dkr | CodeNinja: just add the "user" option to the option column |
| 03:51.01 | CodeNinja | but for mounting cd images? |
| 03:51.14 | CodeNinja | I don't understand how to do that for a multitude of cd images |
| 03:51.38 | dkr | oh, you mean using the loopback device |
| 03:52.06 | dkr | maybe give yourself perms on /dav/loop/ ? ;) personally i just always keep an xterm with a rootshell open, heh |
| 03:53.09 | tawan | i'm operating as root but still mount -o remount,ro / gives mount: / is busy |
| 03:54.03 | dkr | normally I'd say use the fuser command to see what procs are using it to kill them, but since it is / ... heh |
| 03:54.19 | tawan | ye i know / is busy but this command is quite commonly given and the guide i'm following is sgesting it http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Migrating_a_live_system_from_ext3_to_ext4_filesystem |
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| 03:55.23 | xeon-enouf | tawan: have you tried single user mode? |
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| 03:56.45 | adb | tawan, boot in a livecd and do what you want |
| 03:57.30 | adb | heh, even your link is down |
| 03:57.36 | tawan | i've run this tutorial through from a live CD but the system fails to boot after. I thought i'd try doing on the live system to see if anything is differerent |
| 03:57.46 | xeon-enouf | tawan: even dhcpd running, _after_ booting single; enter root passwd ; ps aux shows only like 3 or 4 processes; init+udev+dhcpcd+something .. and i can't remount / ro, unless i kill/retire dhcpcd |
| 03:57.46 | nisworth | I have a problem with my wireless....not a big one but enough. I have the card working all little. when I do "iwlist wlan0 scan" I see all of the networks, but none of the kde wifi apps can use it or see the networks |
| 03:57.49 | tawan | xeon-enouf, i booted as single user and got the same error |
| 03:57.51 | nisworth | any suggestions? |
| 03:58.09 | nisworth | kern.log has no errors |
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| 03:59.36 | CodeNinja | dkr: I don't understand how to do that still :( |
| 04:00.02 | tawan | ok will try killing dhcpcd, thanks xeon-enouf |
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| 04:03.16 | CodeNinja | dkr: I think I found a better option |
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| 04:15.00 | tawan | xeon-enouf, had to kill dhclient3 and the remount as readonly was possible, thanks (but the rest of the process still failed hur hur) |
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| 04:15.50 | tawan | after making my system ext4 it just wont boot, it tries to mount anything to /root/anything and can't find the fs :/ guess it's ext3 for me |
| 04:16.18 | tawan | after 4 hours of trying maybe it is time to accept i suck |
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| 04:17.31 | xeon-enouf | tawan: ok .. well did you follow the ext3->ext4 guide? |
| 04:17.45 | xeon-enouf | !ext3->ext4 |
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| 04:17.52 | xeon-enouf | bah |
| 04:18.06 | xeon-enouf | !listkeys ext4 |
| 04:18.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ext4' by key (5): ext3->ext4 ;; ext4 ;; ext4fs ;; ext4->ext3 ;; ext4dev. |
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| 04:18.42 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.04 | xeon-enouf | !tell tawan about ext3->ext4 |
| 04:19.28 | tawan | xeon-enouf, i followed this and got no errors at all until i tried to start the system on ext4 http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Migrating_a_live_system_from_ext3_to_ext4_filesystem |
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| 04:20.35 | xeon-enouf | tawan: when, where and how does it "fail to boot"? |
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| 04:21.41 | tawan | when mounting it tries to mount a few items each to the coresponging /root/that-item and fails to find the loacation each time |
| 04:21.46 | xeon-enouf | tawan: note the word "unmounted" in --> "<dpkg> To enable <ext4> features on an existing unmounted <ext3> file system (kernel 2.6.28 or later" |
| 04:22.55 | adb | tawan, on which kernel ? |
| 04:23.03 | xeon-enouf | tawan: that's odd .. /root/* doesn't get mounted (though i haven't messed with ext4 at all) |
| 04:23.06 | tawan | 2.6.28-11-generic |
| 04:23.20 | adb | tawan, ubuntu ... |
| 04:23.25 | tawan | eek sorry thatsn not my jernel :D |
| 04:23.29 | xeon-enouf | ugh |
| 04:23.36 | tawan | i'm booted to that as i just brok Sid :D |
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| 04:23.59 | tawan | sid has the .31 |
| 04:24.16 | adb | ? |
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| 04:25.00 | tawan | i did /exec -o uname -r and it showed you the kernel of my current boot |
| 04:25.01 | xeon-enouf | you don't need .31 unless you have Intel crap graphincs |
| 04:25.19 | tawan | i have intel |
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| 04:26.21 | xeon-enouf | tawan: "/root/that-item and fails" sounds like an initrd issue (if anything) |
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| 04:26.34 | xeon-enouf | !can't mount root |
| 04:26.34 | dpkg | If you can't mount the root file system when you boot your custom kernel, it means you have failed to include support for either: (a) your root file system (e.g. ext3), or (b) your disk controller (IDE, SCSI, etc.). These cannot be modules, unless you use an initrd. Go check your config again. or make sure your bootloader knows about your initrd |
| 04:27.00 | tawan | but this kernel (in Sid) has ext4 support? |
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| 04:27.32 | tawan | so i should revert to backup and check out my kernel then start over i guess |
| 04:27.46 | xeon-enouf | it better - even Lenny has _some_ ext4 support (as ext4dev) |
| 04:28.08 | xeon-enouf | !ext4 |
| 04:28.08 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Adds features such as support for volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy. http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:28.19 | xeon-enouf | tawan: grub1? |
| 04:28.30 | tawan | tried grub 1 and 2 |
| 04:28.51 | xeon-enouf | tawan: grub1 == legacy .. oh we;ll |
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| 04:30.56 | tawan | my Sid settup uses grub2, I tried with both, been at this a few hours |
| 04:31.00 | necro\ | xeon-enouf: isnt the grub used by most modern distros grub2? |
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| 04:31.02 | necro\ | lol |
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| 04:34.59 | tawan | is reverting to backup... |
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| 04:37.51 | catsup | tawan: try bootparam rootfstype=ext4 |
| 04:38.26 | catsup | if you are using initrd |
| 04:38.43 | tawan | catsup, ok thanks, will do on next attempt |
| 04:39.06 | catsup | so you are? |
| 04:40.00 | catsup | oh depending on versions it might be ext4dev |
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| 04:42.07 | tawan | it is safe to say by my failure of several hours that I don't fully understand what I'm doing :) |
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| 04:43.07 | tawan | i'm reverting to backup and going to double check that i have everything in place for ext4 before starting over again. Even though the guide did advise on that an i met all the specs it said |
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| 05:01.45 | matthewpucc | ok i have an issue. sshd isn't accepting the -t option. the man pages show that it does however |
| 05:02.43 | matthewpucc | sshd: OpenSSH_2.9p2 on |
| 05:02.43 | matthewpucc | Unknown option -t |
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| 05:03.48 | matthewpucc | has anyone run into this? |
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| 05:05.37 | Arrowmaster | tawan: do you have a separate /boot? |
| 05:05.58 | tawan | Arrowmaster, no |
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| 05:06.21 | Arrowmaster | if you use a small ext2 /boot it will probably make all your issues go away |
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| 05:11.09 | tawan | Arrowmaster, I'll consider that thanks |
| 05:11.24 | tawan | for now though I will reboot and inspect the damage :) |
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| 05:12.22 | matthewpucc | any thoughts on why sshd isn't taking the -t option? |
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| 05:22.01 | cheako | Hello, is there support for root on a md-raid device? I can't seam to force my initrd to have the mdadm tools. All I can find are seriously out of date howtos. |
| 05:23.06 | necro\ | cheako: typically you slice a bit out for that that doesnt need the raid card |
| 05:23.24 | necro\ | but your likely going to have to recompile your kernel for it |
| 05:23.39 | necro\ | look in the documentation for your card and see what it says |
| 05:23.40 | cheako | huh? |
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| 05:23.51 | cheako | This is just an IDE card. |
| 05:24.04 | cheako | Hence the md software raid drivers. |
| 05:24.04 | necro\ | shrugs |
| 05:24.15 | necro\ | shit some cards cant boot |
| 05:24.25 | necro\ | but the advice is the same |
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| 05:25.39 | cheako | I think your off topic. Linux is not building the raid b4 it tries to mount root, thus I need to make sure these bits are part of the initrd. |
| 05:26.13 | cheako | Noting to do with the generic IDE card I'm using. |
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| 05:34.35 | pwned | hi, alsaconf is removed, what to use instead ? |
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| 05:36.11 | pwned | I was using it as a fix-my-sound script, now it is gone |
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| 05:41.55 | cheako | /usr/sbin/alsaconf alsa-utils? |
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| 05:43.07 | cheako | Still in stable. |
| 05:43.23 | pwned | I don't have stable. It is testing. |
| 05:43.30 | cheako | I guess that's why they call it testing. |
| 05:43.38 | pwned | because it is fucked up? |
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| 05:43.44 | pwned | I thought that was unstable |
| 05:44.23 | cheako | I'm looking 4 the change log. |
| 05:44.32 | pwned | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 05:44.37 | wsxws | hi there |
| 05:44.49 | pwned | it says use pulse, I didn't find anything useful in pulseaudio, it just says no card detected |
| 05:44.57 | cheako | In testing it's possible to have pkg dependency problems. |
| 05:45.05 | pwned | no, it is gone |
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| 05:45.08 | wsxws | what would be the syntay to start a command in a new screen, so that it is directly detached ? |
| 05:45.11 | pwned | alsaconf used to fix everything, now I would have to find out what the problem reall yis |
| 05:46.11 | wsxws | syntax |
| 05:46.55 | cheako | pwned: Testing to see if they truly can remove this tool? |
| 05:46.56 | pwned | wsxws: you mean screen -d -m wtf |
| 05:47.10 | pwned | they can't! how do I stop them?! |
| 05:48.06 | cheako | pwned: You find them on IRC and work through the problem. Likely by downloading this script and then doing b4/after comparisons. |
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| 05:48.26 | wsxws | screen -dmS namehere would start a screen as a daemon, but i need to start a command in the new screen to |
| 05:48.35 | pwned | before: everything works, after: I'm screwed |
| 05:48.41 | pwned | brief report |
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| 05:49.11 | cheako | pwned: Pre script and post script sound/system state. |
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| 05:49.44 | cheako | identify the absolute minimum part of the script solves your problem. |
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| 05:50.30 | cheako | ...or you could fix all the bugs in alsaconf so there is no reason to have it removed. |
| 05:50.57 | cheako | pwned: I'd say the fact that you need to keep running it is a bug, it should fix the problem you are having once and for all. |
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| 05:51.38 | pwned | cheako: removing it isn't what fixes my problem, they removed it and I still don't know the problem. |
| 05:52.22 | cheako | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/alsa-utils/current/changelog |
| 05:52.31 | cheako | 1.0.17-1 |
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| 05:53.00 | cheako | the common use people do of this tools is mostly trying it out to see if it "fixes" their sound, which often makes things worse. We've discussed this for years; |
| 05:53.21 | pwned | yeah, very nice ending for the discussion |
| 05:53.40 | pwned | hey let's screw them over! that will teach those with hardware problems! |
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| 05:54.09 | pwned | it also helps the economy |
| 05:54.23 | cheako | pwned: by the sound of things it's a script, pull it from upstream CVS. |
| 05:54.43 | cheako | Debian will never delete it again on you. |
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| 05:55.10 | cheako | You can also pull a copy out of the still available stable package. |
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| 05:55.50 | cheako | The only shame here is that the removal is spanned across multiple commits. |
| 05:56.14 | cheako | You could also just get another sound card ;) |
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| 05:56.36 | pwned | cheako: you are already annoying, no need to add more to it. |
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| 06:01.04 | cheako | I think I fixed my problem. |
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| 06:03.42 | pwned | I rebuilt alsa-utils 1.0.16 and ran alsaconf, it wasn't my problem. |
| 06:03.49 | pwned | sigh. |
| 06:04.20 | pwned | probably the card fried. Six years old and all. |
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| 06:29.24 | Dominicus | Can anyone tell me why a debian ia64 netinst cd iso doesn't want to boot when I start the system up from it? |
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| 06:29.47 | JPT | mhh...is your system compatible to ia64? |
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| 06:30.18 | fireba11 | Dominicus: it's likely you want amd64 instead |
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| 06:32.24 | tawan | !search facts ext4 |
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| 06:36.05 | Dominicus | fireba11: Well, I have an Intel i7 920 processor. Which is a 64 bit processor. Should I be going for IA64, or AMD64? |
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| 06:41.57 | inckie | Dominicus AMD64, IA64 is for Intel itanium processor |
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| 06:49.16 | ndee | is it somehow possible to route an internet connection over ssh? |
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| 06:57.32 | phorce1 | in debian, postfix runs as the postfix user, correct? |
| 06:58.00 | Pryon | postfix comprises several processes |
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| 06:58.05 | phorce1 | program alias question --- I'm trying to set up an archive program. I'm getting the following bounce --- : input/output error. Command output: /var/lib/lurker/db: Permission denied |
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| 06:59.48 | phorce1 | This is from postfix and lurker both installed with aptitude in lenny |
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| 07:02.35 | phorce1 | other pipe aliases work fine so I'm having trouble determining where the permissions error is coming from |
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| 07:07.08 | bjorkintosh | is there a reason my harddrive is always being scratched around on squeeze? |
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| 07:19.03 | eevar2 | there's no rename-user command, i guess? |
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| 07:20.06 | eevar2 | nm, google is your friend |
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| 07:30.46 | ajavid | huh? |
| 07:30.48 | ajavid | eevar2, man usermod |
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| 07:31.05 | ajavid | eevar2, look at -l and -d |
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| 07:31.23 | lea_w | In squeeze, my most X.org upgrade requires *console-setup*, which hangs on installation, after prompting for the keyboard layout. Known issue, any solutions, anyone else has this? |
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| 07:32.00 | ajavid | good 2am |
| 07:32.02 | ajavid | :) |
| 07:32.11 | lea_w | has this problem happening on both her machines. |
| 07:32.24 | Cody | What is the best way to blacklist a specific IP from connecting to my webserver? I have a strange remote host opening thousands of TCP connections to my web server. It's apparently sending data according to iftop, but Apache isn't logging any requests. |
| 07:32.43 | Cody | So I assume to block that IP I have to do it at some lower level than Apache |
| 07:32.56 | ajavid | !iptables |
| 07:32.56 | dpkg | The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 07:32.57 | eevar2 | ajavid: yup, used those options. should have googled before asking, but thanks :) |
| 07:33.06 | ajavid | drop packets fropm his ip |
| 07:33.12 | ajavid | dont reject |
| 07:33.14 | ajavid | drop. |
| 07:33.36 | Cody | ajavid: Perfect, thanks! |
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| 07:34.01 | ajavid | yup |
| 07:34.16 | ajavid | this banana is not satisfactory. |
| 07:34.28 | ajavid | drinks milk and waits for more support questions :) |
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| 07:35.49 | bjorkintosh | what the hell is scratching around on my harddrive and slowing the machine down? |
| 07:35.55 | bjorkintosh | it's been going on for hours. |
| 07:36.13 | lea_w | bjorkintosh: iotop |
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| 07:38.43 | c03 | hi |
| 07:39.11 | lea_w | hi |
| 07:39.13 | bjorkintosh | thanks lea_w. i'm installing iotop now |
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| 07:44.18 | ajavid | http://www.lastcraft.com/simple_test.php |
| 07:44.30 | ajavid | this is much faster than phpunit..ugh. |
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| 07:44.53 | ajavid | oh I'm in debian... whoops |
| 07:45.37 | bpun | ajavid, that's right.. #whoopsbitch |
| 07:45.48 | bpun | lol |
| 07:46.32 | ajavid | :) |
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| 07:46.48 | Cody | I'm a little confused about iptables. If I add a new rule, should it be immediately active, or do I need to save the ruleset before it goes into effect? |
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| 07:48.01 | bpun | Cody, if u typed it with the iptables.. it's immediate |
| 07:48.02 | nsadmin | it;'s active as soon as you insert it |
| 07:48.25 | bpun | nsadmin, that sounds pornish.. speak english please |
| 07:48.59 | Cody | bpun, nsadmin: Yeah, I did: iptables -A INPUT -s [IP] -j DROP |
| 07:49.08 | Cody | I'm still seeing traffic coming through according to iftop, though |
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| 07:49.15 | nsadmin | bpun: specify what you mean specifically |
| 07:49.27 | Cody | Will previously opened connections still get through? Do I just have to wait for all existing connections to close? |
| 07:49.43 | bpun | nsadmin, sorry. you're a woman. |
| 07:49.57 | ajavid | nsadmin, don't bother. |
| 07:50.07 | ajavid | bpun, behave please. |
| 07:50.13 | ajavid | Cody, yes |
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| 07:50.27 | ajavid | Cody, last part sorry. |
| 07:50.46 | bpun | ajavid, he didnt ask if he was editing any .conf files.. so i reckon to no second guessing |
| 07:51.07 | ajavid | bpun, I mean the BS you're uttering towards nsadmin |
| 07:51.12 | nsadmin | that's fair; let's find out |
| 07:51.21 | ajavid | bpun, please if you find anything wrong with my support, kindly correct me. |
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| 07:51.32 | Cody | ajavid: OK, I'll check it in an hour or so and see whether anything's still coming in. |
| 07:51.40 | nsadmin | Cody: how exactly are you inserting rules? |
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| 07:51.43 | Cody | Yeah, I wasn't editing any conf files, just used iptables to directly insert the rule |
| 07:52.00 | Cody | If I understand the docs correctly, the rule isn't permanent that way |
| 07:52.02 | nsadmin | ok, so then my comment holds |
| 07:52.25 | nsadmin | permanent until edited or the kernel reboots |
| 07:52.40 | ajavid | just save your rules in a script and launch it on rc |
| 07:52.55 | ajavid | simple bash script |
| 07:53.04 | nsadmin | you can also look into a package called ipmasq |
| 07:53.06 | ajavid | Cody, you've only read a little bit so far |
| 07:53.10 | xeon-enouf | rc.local? or /etc/network/ifup.d? |
| 07:53.14 | ajavid | Cody, continue reading, you'll be alright. :) |
| 07:53.21 | nsadmin | which "calculates" a firewall |
| 07:53.25 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, either way |
| 07:53.29 | ajavid | nsadmin, yes yes definitely |
| 07:53.53 | xeon-enouf | just inserted a comment :-P |
| 07:53.57 | Cody | Yeah, I just want to test this rule to make sure this remote host is causing the performance problems we're seeing with the network link. |
| 07:54.04 | Cody | I'll worry about making it permanent after that :) |
| 07:54.10 | ajavid | sure |
| 07:54.19 | ajavid | Cody, and also look into this /msg dpkg harden |
| 07:54.30 | Cody | Is there any way to forcibly close the 2000 connections netstat is telling me it currently has open? |
| 07:54.35 | nsadmin | you think you're getting flooded by them? |
| 07:54.38 | xeon-enouf | Cody: you could also use netstat ;-) |
| 07:54.58 | xeon-enouf | oh, heh |
| 07:54.58 | Cody | Support overload. I must have won a prize or something ;) |
| 07:55.03 | ajavid | Cody, man tcpkill |
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| 07:55.16 | Cody | tcpkill, perfect! |
| 07:55.34 | ajavid | Cody, package dsniff |
| 07:56.00 | xeon-enouf | is in favor yanking the ethernet cable ;-) |
| 07:56.00 | ajavid | tcpkill host x.x.x.x (offending ip) |
| 07:56.15 | xeon-enouf | (temporarily ofcourse) |
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| 07:56.35 | Cody | Cool, perfect, that did it |
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| 07:56.56 | ajavid | Since tcpkill expressions are based upon tcpdump command's filter expression, it is recommended that you read tcpdump's documenation as well |
| 07:57.17 | ajavid | (I recommend it at least) |
| 07:57.40 | Vratha | Anyone have a sheevaplug? Got mine in the mail today and am just waiting to try it out this weekend |
| 07:57.49 | c03 | i'm trying to install motion on my debian server |
| 07:57.56 | c03 | to work with my logitech quickcam |
| 07:58.05 | Vratha | Going to install debian on it |
| 07:58.08 | c03 | but i get |
| 07:58.10 | c03 | [1] Failed to open video device /dev/video0: No such file or directory |
| 07:58.10 | c03 | [1] Capture error calling vid_start |
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| 07:58.12 | Cody | ajavid: Cool, I'll check that out. And add all these tools to my list of notes, since I've never had to deal with this sort of thing before. |
| 07:58.29 | ajavid | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/networktools1.htm |
| 07:58.30 | c03 | that's what motion tells me when I run it |
| 07:58.37 | ajavid | BWM - BandWidth Monitor |
| 07:58.45 | ajavid | Cutter - disconnect routed IP connections |
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| 07:58.56 | ajavid | dsniff - Various tools to sniff network traffic for cleartext insecurities |
| 07:59.20 | xeon-enouf | Vratha: sheevaplug sounds like some mail-order-pr0n-dolly-the-sheep-clone |
| 07:59.44 | Vratha | Well, it's not |
| 07:59.47 | ajavid | Cody, hope that helps |
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| 07:59.51 | azeem | xeon-enouf: not to the initiated |
| 08:00.00 | Vratha | It's a plug computer |
| 08:00.02 | Cody | ajavid: Yes, it does. |
| 08:00.02 | Cody | Hmm, why can't everyone in all IRC channels be as helpful as the various members of #debian? |
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| 08:00.08 | ajavid | :) |
| 08:00.13 | Cody | Remind me to hire you all as my sysadmins when my Next Great American Web App hits the big time |
| 08:00.15 | azeem | Vratha: but I guess not many people hava one in here |
| 08:00.17 | ajavid | Cody, we love debian and we love to spread it |
| 08:00.22 | azeem | (and are watching) |
| 08:00.26 | ajavid | I do anyway |
| 08:00.43 | Cody | Hehe, that's exactly why I use Debian. Only distro that doesn't make my life hurt. |
| 08:00.48 | Vratha | azeem: Youre probably right. I think it's a little niche right now |
| 08:01.05 | xeon-enouf | Vratha: ok, i give up, what's a "plug computer"? You mean it works off of AC outlets? |
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| 08:01.39 | Vratha | They're computers that fit into wall warts. Only $99 for one |
| 08:01.47 | ajavid | warts? |
| 08:01.56 | xeon-enouf | briquettes |
| 08:02.00 | ajavid | oh |
| 08:02.06 | bpun | Vratha, a plug computer? cool. You must of digged it out of a dumpster-- didn't know you were digging for a banana computer |
| 08:02.10 | Vratha | A quick google search will take you to the Marvell site |
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| 08:02.40 | ajavid | bpun, would you please stop being condscending towards people? |
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| 08:02.56 | bpun | ajavid, it's called cat out of the ass. |
| 08:03.05 | ajavid | bpun, please keep it on topic. |
| 08:03.05 | bpun | if someone isn't clear.. i'm requesting the be so |
| 08:03.25 | c03 | can anyone help me with the webcam issue? |
| 08:03.46 | xeon-enouf | c03: try #v4l perhaps? |
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| 08:04.01 | c03 | ok |
| 08:04.07 | xeon-enouf | c03: you neeed/want a /dev/video0 i guess |
| 08:04.16 | c03 | exactly |
| 08:04.24 | c03 | dunno how that happens |
| 08:04.27 | xeon-enouf | c03: does pgrep udevd return a number? |
| 08:04.42 | c03 | 14843 |
| 08:04.57 | Vratha | By wall wart, I meant the computer just looks like a little power transformer that hang out of a power outlet. Has arm chip, gigabit Ethernet, sdio, USB, and jtag support |
| 08:05.04 | xeon-enouf | c03: does dmesg show your webcam as being recognized properly? |
| 08:05.33 | xeon-enouf | c03: 14843 is the PID - that;s fine |
| 08:05.54 | c03 | [124991.661153] usb 2-2: Product: Camera |
| 08:05.59 | c03 | okay |
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| 08:06.30 | xeon-enouf | c03: might you need gspca modules? |
| 08:06.31 | c03 | thanks, I get tied up on these magic values and numbers sometimes =) |
| 08:06.33 | Vratha | Alright, I gotta go to bed or I'll die even harder at work |
| 08:06.36 | Vratha | Ttyl! |
| 08:06.36 | bpun | anyone here uses videotron? |
| 08:06.37 | xeon-enouf | !gspca |
| 08:06.37 | dpkg | The GSPCA driver provides support for digital cameras and webcams based on SPCA5xx chipsets. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask me about <gspca one-liner>. This driver is included in mainline kernels as of 2.6.27. Supported devices: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html . See also <uvcvideo>, <webcam>. |
| 08:06.39 | bpun | (isp) |
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| 08:07.05 | xeon-enouf | and /msg dpkg webcam c03 |
| 08:07.29 | c03 | okay |
| 08:08.05 | xeon-enouf | c03: (you;d like the pstree util ;-) it;s in psmisc pkg) |
| 08:08.23 | xeon-enouf | c03: 'pstree -lunap' (ftw) |
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| 08:08.51 | c03 | xeon-enouf: what does it do? |
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| 08:09.28 | dkay | hello, what is the best way to put files from local to remote? have heard about that put command but this command isnt available! i also asked #openssh but it seems there is no one there |
| 08:09.29 | xeon-enouf | lists processes like ps auxf does, but nicer |
| 08:09.48 | xeon-enouf | telnet? uff |
| 08:09.54 | xeon-enouf | use nc |
| 08:09.58 | bpun | dkay, sftp works good for me |
| 08:10.03 | dkay | via ssh? |
| 08:10.08 | xeon-enouf | scp |
| 08:10.19 | dondelelcaro | dkay: use scp, rsync, tar over ssh or whatever you want. |
| 08:10.22 | bpun | dkay, u scared? |
| 08:10.25 | dkay | scp, is from local to remote |
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| 08:10.37 | c03 | dkay: I use putty tools |
| 08:10.38 | dkay | ? |
| 08:10.40 | hmage_ | scp somefile remotemachine:~/directory/somefile |
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| 08:10.52 | bpun | dkay, u scared of remote to local? scp does both kitty kat |
| 08:10.53 | dondelelcaro | dkay: or remote to local, or remote to remote, or local to local. |
| 08:11.09 | bpun | lol |
| 08:11.20 | omcfadde | hi, quick question. I'm building a kernel with make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image, but, when I install the generated .deb, it does not put any initrd.img into /boot ? |
| 08:11.31 | bpun | is lazy.. he uses filezilla or nautilus for sftp stuff |
| 08:11.32 | dkay | hmage_, : how to define keys and port for this? |
| 08:11.47 | dkay | yea i want to use scp :) but he wont accept my -i and -p |
| 08:11.55 | omcfadde | any idea what might be going wrong? |
| 08:12.01 | hmage_ | dkay: I don't know anything about windows (since you're using putty), and this is not #windows |
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| 08:12.15 | dkay | i am using xterm debian to debian :) |
| 08:12.28 | xeon-enouf | dkay: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/438 once it comes online again |
| 08:12.33 | hmage_ | dkay: then man scp |
| 08:12.33 | c03 | xeon-enouf: still doesn't work, after following dpkg's help |
| 08:13.07 | dkay | and # scp somefile -p key -p 2222 user@host:/folder wont work |
| 08:13.25 | dkay | need to try it out ok |
| 08:13.36 | nsadmin | you're using -p twoce |
| 08:13.37 | c03 | u use -p twice? |
| 08:13.47 | dkay | ahm -i key |
| 08:13.49 | dkay | my fault |
| 08:13.54 | dkay | no i dont :) |
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| 08:13.59 | c03 | hehe |
| 08:14.00 | xeon-enouf | c03: no idea then |
| 08:14.23 | dkay | grml |
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| 08:14.39 | c03 | xeon-enouf: it says the gspca drivers are included in the new kernel (2.6.27) should I upgrade? |
| 08:15.00 | c03 | thought I just did upgrade though, did apt-get update upgrade dist-upgrade yesterday |
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| 08:15.03 | xeon-enouf | omcfadde: it;s newer kernel-package? |
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| 08:15.18 | aixenv | hey guys i have a 5.0.3 server |
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| 08:15.25 | aixenv | trying to install libssl-dev |
| 08:15.30 | aixenv | libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.8 (= 0.9.8g-15+lenny3) but 0.9.8g-15+lenny5 is to be installed |
| 08:15.35 | nsadmin | c03: that may or may not upgrade a kernel |
| 08:15.37 | xeon-enouf | omcfadde: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/README.txt |
| 08:15.37 | omcfadde | xeon-enouf: kernel-package 12.021 |
| 08:15.41 | aixenv | is this a known issue? |
| 08:16.07 | nsadmin | known issues are listed in the bts |
| 08:16.19 | Kvant | aixenv, try safe-upgrade first? |
| 08:16.21 | aixenv | well,. any advice how to resolve that? |
| 08:16.39 | omcfadde | xeon-enouf: hm? |
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| 08:17.14 | aixenv | Kvant: i dont follow sorry |
| 08:17.18 | nsadmin | aixenv: try aptitude update |
| 08:17.22 | nsadmin | and then try again |
| 08:17.34 | aixenv | yea i already did that |
| 08:17.40 | xeon-enouf | omcfadde: crap - he changed the content O_o .. so read teh docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 08:17.47 | Kvant | try aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 08:18.07 | aixenv | everythine comes back ok |
| 08:18.12 | xeon-enouf | omcfadde: you need entries/files in the new /etc/kernel/ dir |
| 08:18.27 | aixenv | ii libssl0.9.8 0.9.8g-15+lenny5 SSL shared libraries |
| 08:18.30 | aixenv | thats already installed |
| 08:18.34 | aixenv | no devpkg tho |
| 08:18.45 | Kvant | try instal the -dev again? |
| 08:18.53 | nsadmin | aixenv: download the .deb of libssl0.9.8 0.9.8g-15+lenny3 |
| 08:18.56 | nsadmin | and install that |
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| 08:19.01 | omcfadde | xeon-enouf: umm, there are postinst.d initramfs-tools there |
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| 08:19.40 | omcfadde | xeon-enouf: oh, read further down |
| 08:19.48 | omcfadde | xeon-enouf: thanks. I'll give that a try |
| 08:19.49 | nsadmin | doesn't understand why this would happen in a stable installation |
| 08:20.00 | aixenv | bows to nsadmin & kvant |
| 08:20.02 | aixenv | tyvm |
| 08:20.14 | arcsky | morning, i got problem, that /usr/sbin/smbd -D takes ages to start, so i turned on a debugger and i got this http://pastebin.com/m21244bbd |
| 08:20.16 | aixenv | this isnt one of our boxes, this was a client so who knows what magic they did |
| 08:20.18 | arcsky | how to solve that ? |
| 08:20.23 | aixenv | thanks very much u guys |
| 08:20.37 | nsadmin | does it work now? |
| 08:21.04 | xeon-enouf | omcfadde: "The image postinst no longer creates an initramfs Instead, there are example scripts provided that will perform the task. These scripts will work for official kernel images as well." .... |
| 08:21.20 | xeon-enouf | ..."This also demonstrates how the posts install script communicates with the initramfs creation scripts so that no initramfs is generated in case you do not want it." |
| 08:21.32 | doubleclick | how do i change state of disk in raid? |
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| 08:21.46 | doubleclick | i readed a disk and it is marked as "spare" |
| 08:21.47 | xeon-enouf | ahh |
| 08:22.18 | omcfadde | xeon-enouf: cool, thanks for your help :) just got to do a compile, and hopefull it boots this time :) |
| 08:22.30 | xeon-enouf | heh ;-) |
| 08:23.33 | xeon-enouf | doubleclick: "readed"? and do you mean mdadm? |
| 08:23.36 | omcfadde | guess I should have rtfm, but I remember doing this a while ago and the initrd creation was automatic, so I figured I screwed up somewhere |
| 08:23.54 | xeon-enouf | omcfadde: nope; things just change ;-) |
| 08:23.56 | doubleclick | xeon-enouf: yes, mdadm... |
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| 08:24.33 | xeon-enouf | ok, that answers 'b)' |
| 08:24.36 | doubleclick | xeon-enouf: i marked it as faulty, then removed it and added it back... |
| 08:24.45 | xeon-enouf | why? |
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| 08:25.03 | xeon-enouf | and did you do it properly? |
| 08:25.08 | doubleclick | i had to change physical drives... |
| 08:25.15 | arcsky | joltcan: alive? |
| 08:25.38 | joltcan | arcsky: yep |
| 08:25.45 | xeon-enouf | ahh.. ok, so you added a new working disk doubleclick ? |
| 08:25.58 | arcsky | joltcan: nice, morning |
| 08:26.09 | doubleclick | xeon-enouf: yes :) |
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| 08:26.15 | arcsky | joltcan: i reinstalled and got same problem |
| 08:26.47 | c03 | my webcam works! =D |
| 08:26.59 | joltcan | arcsky: oh really? |
| 08:27.03 | joltcan | arcsky: That is just plain weird |
| 08:27.04 | xeon-enouf | !congratulate c03 |
| 08:27.04 | doubleclick | xeon-enouf: will it, maybe, change state to active once it rebuilds? |
| 08:27.04 | dpkg | Yay c03, you did it! |
| 08:27.05 | c03 | it worked when I installed the gspca driver |
| 08:27.12 | c03 | hehe |
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| 08:27.38 | xeon-enouf | doubleclick: i _think_ so, i forget offhand now |
| 08:27.46 | joltcan | arcsky: are you running it standalone or in (x)inetd? |
| 08:28.03 | xeon-enouf | doubleclick: have you seen /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* ? |
| 08:28.19 | arcsky | joltcan: i have no xidentd now |
| 08:28.24 | xeon-enouf | use zless to read, or just gunzip the directory ;-) |
| 08:29.37 | ajavid | hello |
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| 08:30.11 | doubleclick | xeon-enouf: will go trough it untill this disk rebuilds.. ;) |
| 08:30.16 | arcsky | joltcan: my /var/log/samba/log.smbd http://pastebin.com/m345705ff |
| 08:30.18 | ajavid | is there a MTA that works only on localhost? for testing purposes? For example if I were to send a mail using it from my applications, I want everything dumped to individual files |
| 08:30.30 | ajavid | that is to test mail functionality without setting up an actual email server |
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| 08:30.35 | ajavid | for development/testing |
| 08:30.42 | ajavid | please advise |
| 08:30.51 | petemc | any mta that couldnt be configured to listen only on localhost wouldnt be worth talking about |
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| 08:31.13 | ajavid | petemc, I meant something like fakemail in python/perl but packaged already |
| 08:31.34 | ajavid | fakemail is a fake mail server that captures emails as files for acceptance testing. |
| 08:31.57 | hmage_ | ajavid: exim with local-only config |
| 08:32.00 | ajavid | dpkg failmail is @ http://sourceforge.net/projects/fakemail/ fakemail is a fake mail server that captures emails as files for acceptance testing. |
| 08:32.01 | dpkg | okay, ajavid |
| 08:32.02 | hmage_ | ajavid: postfix with local-only config |
| 08:32.08 | ajavid | hmage_, ok |
| 08:32.17 | ajavid | hmage_, is it diffucult |
| 08:32.20 | ajavid | hmage_, I'm a newb |
| 08:32.25 | joltcan | arcsky: nothing starnge in there at all :/ |
| 08:32.27 | hmage_ | no, dpkg-reconfigure -phigh postfix |
| 08:32.31 | ajavid | hmage_, ok |
| 08:32.35 | ajavid | tries |
| 08:32.40 | petemc | same goes for exim4 |
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| 08:33.04 | xeon-enouf | !nullmailer |
| 08:33.04 | dpkg | somebody said nullmailer was a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just send directly to smart relays. Packaged for Debian. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ See also <ssmtp>. |
| 08:33.18 | hmage_ | for exim4 it's dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 08:33.19 | nsadmin | failmail? fakemail? was that your intent? |
| 08:33.27 | ajavid | nsadmin, yes |
| 08:33.32 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 08:33.34 | ajavid | nsadmin, python fakemail (not sending fake emails) |
| 08:33.47 | ajavid | it can be a bit misleading |
| 08:33.56 | nsadmin | what's failmail? |
| 08:33.59 | joltcan | arcsky: do you still have to same smb.conf as yesterday? |
| 08:34.05 | nsadmin | briefly... |
| 08:34.06 | ajavid | I dont think there is such a think if I said it it was a typo |
| 08:34.09 | arcsky | joltcan: yes |
| 08:34.22 | ajavid | 'fakemail' not 'failmail' |
| 08:34.24 | hmage_ | ajavid: I'd stick to normal MTA. |
| 08:34.24 | themill | dpkg rename failmail fakemail |
| 08:34.25 | nsadmin | oh, ok... in that case check the factoid |
| 08:34.25 | arcsky | joltcan: first i did after reinstalling was apt-get install samba |
| 08:34.25 | joltcan | arcsky: I'm pondering if the interfaces thing might have something to do with it. Just try and comment out that part and see if there is a difference |
| 08:34.26 | ajavid | sorry |
| 08:34.28 | xeon-enouf | thuoght failmail also was a fail |
| 08:34.30 | ajavid | hmage_, good idea |
| 08:34.37 | nsadmin | !failmail |
| 08:34.37 | dpkg | somebody said failmail was @ http://sourceforge.net/projects/fakemail/ fakemail is a fake mail server that captures emails as files for acceptance testing. |
| 08:34.43 | ajavid | ok |
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| 08:34.55 | ajavid | it is called fakemail |
| 08:35.00 | ajavid | not failmail |
| 08:35.05 | ajavid | dpkg forget failmail |
| 08:35.05 | dpkg | ajavid: i didn't have anything called 'failmail' to forget |
| 08:35.10 | nsadmin | ok, so you could forget then do it again |
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| 08:35.18 | ajavid | I messed up? |
| 08:35.22 | ajavid | dangit |
| 08:35.23 | themill | or you could note that I'd already renamed it |
| 08:35.27 | ajavid | thanks |
| 08:35.33 | ajavid | I didn't realize it, thanks themill |
| 08:35.36 | nsadmin | oh, you did? |
| 08:35.39 | nsadmin | cool |
| 08:35.44 | xeon-enouf | 08:26 < themill> dpkg rename failmail fakemail |
| 08:35.45 | nsadmin | how do you rename? |
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| 08:35.53 | themill | nsadmin: /msg dpkg help rename |
| 08:35.56 | hmage_ | !fakemail |
| 08:35.57 | dpkg | fakemail is probably @ http://sourceforge.net/projects/fakemail/ fakemail is a fake mail server that captures emails as files for acceptance testing. |
| 08:36.01 | hmage_ | !failmail |
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| 08:36.19 | nsadmin | there :) works now |
| 08:36.30 | hmage_ | it's slow for renames? |
| 08:36.40 | xeon-enouf | themill: it;s just ... nsadmin called it _after_ you renamed it ;-) |
| 08:36.45 | arcsky | joltcan: still doesnt work |
| 08:36.46 | ajavid | hmage_, just to annoy you a little bit more |
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| 08:36.54 | ajavid | hmage_, localhost only (first screen) |
| 08:36.58 | themill | I failed at renaming it the first time, fixed it in a pm |
| 08:37.08 | xeon-enouf | ahh |
| 08:37.10 | ajavid | hmage_, for servername 'localhost' also? |
| 08:37.15 | nsadmin | ohh that's why I didn't see it |
| 08:37.21 | ajavid | hmage_, it says it required FQDN |
| 08:37.48 | xeon-enouf | themill: i should've known, since i didn't see dpkg answer you |
| 08:38.00 | ajavid | it isn't quite clear |
| 08:38.07 | ajavid | I'll try localhost now and change it later I suppose |
| 08:38.09 | hmage_ | ajavid: your machine has no name? |
| 08:38.10 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: localhost.localdomain ;-) |
| 08:38.22 | ajavid | mailname is not a fully qualified domain name. can't use localhost |
| 08:38.33 | ajavid | hmage_, uhm sure, ajavid.podzone.org |
| 08:38.42 | ajavid | hmage_, dyndns.com' |
| 08:38.45 | hmage_ | ajavid: if you're going to use localhost only, you can name it whatever you want |
| 08:38.49 | joltcan | arcsky: Sorry, I actually have no idea what might be the problem. Might be better to report a bug since this sounds weirder and weirder |
| 08:38.52 | ajavid | oh ok |
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| 08:39.13 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, thanks, that works |
| 08:39.15 | arcsky | joltcan: where do i report bugs? |
| 08:39.26 | hmage_ | arcsky: reportbug in terminal? |
| 08:39.39 | simonrvn | i've been using infobot for years, and never ealized it had a rename ... |
| 08:39.41 | arcsky | hmage_: what do you mean? |
| 08:39.45 | simonrvn | re* |
| 08:39.52 | joltcan | arcsky: reportbug or http://www.debian.org/Bugs/. You can see if you can google it first as well, but I have not seen that problem before |
| 08:40.17 | arcsky | i have google it |
| 08:40.19 | ajavid | hmage_, one more question, how could I test it? |
| 08:40.40 | hmage_ | "mail ajavid" in terminal |
| 08:41.48 | dkay | argh, what exactly to do to run i386 with amd64? there was something to download for!? |
| 08:42.02 | ajavid | hmage_, and how would I send mail through the php application? specify localhost:25 and thats it? |
| 08:42.08 | xeon-enouf | dkay: ? |
| 08:42.14 | dkay | i want to install skype but only skype.deb o386 is availble |
| 08:42.21 | dkay | i386* |
| 08:42.23 | ajavid | hmage_, so now this basically just works as a regular smtp, but for localhost ? |
| 08:42.24 | dkay | and i run amd64 |
| 08:42.27 | ajavid | thats awesome |
| 08:42.32 | hmage_ | ajavid: yup, with the name you specified in dpkg-reconfigure after @ |
| 08:42.45 | ajavid | I don't remember that step |
| 08:42.48 | hmage_ | like, ajavid@localhost.localdomain |
| 08:42.56 | xeon-enouf | dkay: i think you might need to setup and use a 32bit chroot |
| 08:42.59 | hmage_ | if you specified localhost.localdomain |
| 08:43.04 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.07 | ajavid | oh sorry |
| 08:43.13 | xeon-enouf | ,,, |
| 08:43.13 | dkay | xeon-enouf, what to do to be able to run skype_i386.deb under amd64 ? |
| 08:43.15 | ajavid | bad paste, I specified localhost.localdomain |
| 08:43.17 | ajavid | sorry! |
| 08:43.25 | ajavid | hmage_, oh ok |
| 08:43.34 | hmage_ | ajavid: I won't punish you... for now. :D |
| 08:43.40 | ajavid | :) |
| 08:43.41 | dkay | xeon-enouf, isnt there an app to run 32bit apps under 64bits comps? |
| 08:43.48 | ajavid | btw |
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| 08:44.14 | dkay | or maybe it is just simplier to run wine and install skype.exe? |
| 08:44.14 | ajavid | ever since I set my locale to en_us utf8 it makes my console dialogs goofy |
| 08:44.21 | ajavid | look at the characters, � etc. |
| 08:44.26 | hmage_ | ajavid: don't have time for that now. |
| 08:44.30 | xeon-enouf | dkay: learn to talk about it in terms of kernelspace and userspace - and ia32-libs, is one IINM |
| 08:44.30 | ajavid | ok |
| 08:44.46 | hmage_ | ajavid: wait till somebody else helps you |
| 08:44.59 | hmage_ | ajavid: or google |
| 08:45.10 | xeon-enouf | dkay: file /bin/ls says? <--userspace |
| 08:45.29 | ajavid | hmage_, ok |
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| 08:45.37 | ajavid | hmage_, thank you very much |
| 08:45.47 | xeon-enouf | dkay: dpkg --print-architecture <--userspace ; cat /proc/version <--kernelspace |
| 08:45.56 | dkay | xeon-enouf, /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 08:46.04 | xeon-enouf | bingo |
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| 08:46.55 | Supaplex | !bingo |
| 08:46.55 | dpkg | from memory, bingo is his name-o |
| 08:47.26 | dkay | amd64, and Linux version 2.6.26-2-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-19) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 22:33:18 UTC 2009 |
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| 08:48.18 | dkay | it is debian 5.0.3 |
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| 08:48.39 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: k-uspace is kernel/userspace ; file /bin/ls == userspace ; dpkg --print-architecture == userspace ; cat /proc/version == kernelspace ; uname -a == kernelspace |
| 08:48.40 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: okay |
| 08:48.42 | dkay | i just want to install skype. but there is only an i386.deb avaiilable |
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| 08:50.03 | nsadmin | skype source is available? |
| 08:51.03 | xayon | nsadmin: I don't think so. dkay you can install all 32bits libraries it depends and install 32bits version. |
| 08:51.04 | dkay | xeon-enouf, argh just wait. ive found an "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" where skye has to be available |
| 08:51.29 | dkay | as amd64. ill try just that |
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| 08:52.15 | ajavid | hm |
| 08:52.24 | ajavid | this whole unix mail system is too complicated for me to handle |
| 08:52.31 | ajavid | I haven't done any of that stuff since 8th grade |
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| 08:52.37 | c03 | anyone messed around with motion ? |
| 08:52.38 | themill | dkay: http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 08:52.56 | ajavid | I just packaged up fakemail real quick and wrote a init script for init.d |
| 08:52.58 | c03 | I get blackish colors and an unusable output |
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| 08:53.08 | dkay | argh, this repo "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" isnt actual. apt-get update says cant get headers from |
| 08:53.14 | ajavid | actually I might just properly build this and get it in, I'll file an ITP in the morning |
| 08:53.15 | dkay | themill, ok ill take a look |
| 08:53.34 | ajavid | fakemail ftw |
| 08:55.02 | dkay | themill, i belive it wont make fun -> "You will have to re-download the package, each time there's a security update." :) |
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| 08:55.20 | dkay | but till amd64 cames out ill use this way |
| 08:55.27 | themill | dkay: correct. If you want good security support, you wouldn't be using skype at all, though. |
| 08:55.34 | ajavid | I don't use skyp from thier stuff |
| 08:55.41 | Supaplex | vserver ftw :) |
| 08:55.41 | ajavid | I mean from repo |
| 08:55.48 | dkay | why?i also uses icq msn and the others |
| 08:55.51 | ajavid | grabs the static binary with qt |
| 08:56.01 | OpenTokix | dkay: you can use ia32-libs with skype 32-bit |
| 08:56.09 | ajavid | Supaplex, good afternoon sah ;) |
| 08:56.09 | dkay | it is my home cmp :) |
| 08:56.10 | OpenTokix | dkay: it works perfectly, incl. video |
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| 08:56.55 | dkay | what exactly to do OpenTokix , i am new to debian, waht does that mean? do i have to download ia32-libs? |
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| 08:57.05 | OpenTokix | dkay: no, apt-get install |
| 08:57.12 | elpiratedechron | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.14 | dkay | apt-get install ia32-libs |
| 08:57.16 | dkay | ? |
| 08:57.17 | OpenTokix | ia32-libs |
| 08:57.18 | OpenTokix | yes |
| 08:57.20 | elpiratedechron | any ideas? |
| 08:57.25 | themill | OpenTokix: you're telling him to do what he's already just read on the wiki |
| 08:57.37 | OpenTokix | themill: ok |
| 08:57.46 | dkay | ok, btw i have an alias get-app='apt-get install' :) it is called get-app ia32-libs :) |
| 08:57.53 | dkay | and rem-app, search-app |
| 08:57.55 | dkay | :) |
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| 08:58.25 | ewoerner | hi |
| 08:58.31 | dkay | but i can use both commands |
| 08:58.32 | dkay | :) |
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| 08:59.08 | ajavid | last time I used console mail program was pine, 14 years ago in 8th grade :) |
| 08:59.26 | ajavid | hehehe, I have no idea how to do all this but I guess I could learn it in a day or two |
| 08:59.28 | ewoerner | i'm looking for an ftp server in debian that without config provides all users access to their $HOME, any suggestions? |
| 08:59.39 | ajavid | ewoerner, yes |
| 08:59.44 | Supaplex | real men use telnet and RFCs by heart. even for mime attachments. |
| 08:59.49 | ajavid | ewoerner, vsftpd |
| 08:59.52 | dkay | OpenTokix, ia32-lib is already the newest version. |
| 08:59.59 | dkay | i got this on my comp |
| 09:00.05 | OpenTokix | dkay: ok, install the skype 32bit then |
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| 09:00.08 | dkay | but the skype wont work |
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| 09:00.26 | Supaplex | skype isn't our issue anyway. |
| 09:00.29 | OpenTokix | dkay: ok, what does it say when you start it fro ma terminal? |
| 09:00.33 | ajavid | !skype |
| 09:00.33 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 09:00.44 | dkay | dpkg -i says package i386 wont work with amd64 |
| 09:00.45 | dpkg | package says package i386 wont work with amd64 is already installed |
| 09:01.00 | ajavid | dkay, NOT supported. Please go to ##linux |
| 09:01.05 | Supaplex | dpkg: good bot. |
| 09:01.05 | dpkg | Supaplex: thanks |
| 09:01.35 | themill | dkay: please read the wiki... |
| 09:01.42 | dkay | well done, ok |
| 09:01.43 | ajavid | actually, let me try to install skype I am on amd63 |
| 09:01.53 | Supaplex | lol. amd63 |
| 09:01.54 | dkay | okay |
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| 09:03.28 | ajavid | 1/1 test cases complete: 41 passes, 0 fails and 0 exceptions. !! great success... ahh boy now I can sleep |
| 09:03.31 | cire | I have a directory with jpg and avi files. I want to see the sum of all jpg file's sizes. du -sh *.jpg or du -ch *.jpg returns the sum of all files, including avis. How would you do that? |
| 09:03.36 | ajavid | good night. |
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| 09:03.56 | ajavid | s/amd74/amd674 |
| 09:03.56 | ajavid | ohhhfuck it. |
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| 09:04.39 | alex__ | hi! I'm trying to compile python2.6 (experimental) in debian lenny with pbuilder but I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m21053586 anybody can help me? |
| 09:05.42 | ajavid | ok |
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| 09:06.15 | ajavid | just before I go to bed, dkay I grabbed skype-ubuntu-intrepid_2.1.0.47-1_amd64.deb and installed it on a testbed lenny box |
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| 09:06.37 | ajavid | dkay, again, not supported, you could hose your system, but works for me (I hav enot yet tested the sound) |
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| 09:08.09 | ajavid | dkay, if all else fails skype_static-2.1.0.47.tar.bz2 use this one, unpack and ./skype (should work without any problems) dunno about amd64 on this file, sorry. Again, must warn you, closed source, and you could hose your system, I put this on a testbed lenny box, no big deal. |
| 09:08.10 | xeon-enouf | avis are jpegs? ; find . -name '*.jpeg' -exec du -sh {} \; |
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| 09:08.47 | xeon-enouf | cire: ^ ^ ^ |
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| 09:09.29 | cire | xeon-enouf: I'll try that |
| 09:09.42 | xeon-enouf | cire: might want -iname or -wholename , also -maxdepth |
| 09:09.46 | cire | avis are not jpegs... did I say that? |
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| 09:10.03 | xeon-enouf | no, it seemed like it to me at the time though |
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| 09:12.05 | cire | xeon-enouf: I am told "missing argument for -exec" |
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| 09:14.11 | xeon-enouf | cire: mine works here , maybe you have filenames with spaces in them? |
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| 09:14.31 | xeon-enouf | try '{}' instead cire |
| 09:15.03 | xeon-enouf | !using find |
| 09:15.03 | dpkg | methinks using find is http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind, or "man find" |
| 09:15.13 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/46655/ <- nice. /usr/bin/fakemail.py smtp server in less than 150 lines of python code |
| 09:15.30 | smhar | I have installed an apt-proxy long time ago, then stopped using it. in console, to be able to access the internet directly I have to issue: unset http_proxy command. Now, I do not remember the name of the program and I want to uninstall it, any help on this? |
| 09:15.44 | ajavid | yeah, this is on my list of things to package |
| 09:16.03 | ajavid | what should I have the default port, well I guess i could just any and put it in README.debian |
| 09:16.54 | ajavid | I can't sleep, I'll work in the init script and stuff. |
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| 09:17.45 | dkay | xeon-enouf, maybe it will work now: The following dependencies: "libqt4-dbus libqt4-network libqtcore4 libqtgui4" and --force- option should do the trick as an forum trhead was let me know |
| 09:17.54 | dkay | i am going for reboot NOW :) |
| 09:17.56 | ajavid | hm, I should actually hack this and make it read from /etc/fakemail.conf |
| 09:18.11 | ajavid | keep the init script clean of bs, of course! |
| 09:18.25 | ajavid | slaps forhead |
| 09:19.27 | ajavid | http://docs.python.org/library/configparser.html :D |
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| 09:20.20 | cire | xeon-enouf: still the same problem. I'll read the docs... |
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| 09:21.25 | Wilkins | hi |
| 09:21.27 | tutnix | while building a new .deb package i encounter an errer with dh_gencontrol. it says "dpkg-gencontrol: error: syntax error in debian/control at line 44: first block lacks a source field" |
| 09:21.40 | tutnix | the control file i use is: dpkg-gencontrol: error: syntax error in debian/control at line 44: first block lacks a source field |
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| 09:21.46 | pom | hi all |
| 09:22.04 | tutnix | the control file i am using is: http://pastebin.com/m499dd10b |
| 09:22.07 | pom | i've a problem with akonadi server start |
| 09:22.09 | Wilkins | i'm looking for a place where i could find old sarge packages ... does anyone know where i could find that ? |
| 09:22.21 | pom | this is the output log |
| 09:22.23 | pom | http://dpaste.com/94263/ |
| 09:22.29 | pom | anyone can help me? |
| 09:22.45 | ajavid | Wilkins, archive |
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| 09:23.07 | dkay_ | i am back. skype works ! |
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| 09:23.45 | Wilkins | ajavid: great, thanks :) |
| 09:23.47 | ajavid | localizable <- line 44 -> 'localized' |
| 09:23.56 | ajavid | (sorry, couldn't help it) |
| 09:24.12 | ajavid | anything is local(able) |
| 09:24.16 | ajavid | or whatever. |
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| 09:24.38 | tutnix | ok, but i do not think that can be the error... |
| 09:24.42 | ajavid | no it is not the error |
| 09:24.44 | ajavid | :) |
| 09:25.30 | tutnix | :) |
| 09:25.41 | epifanio | hi do you know instructions to check packages dimension ? |
| 09:25.51 | ajavid | epifanio, size? |
| 09:25.53 | epifanio | i means the installed packages |
| 09:25.58 | epifanio | yes, size |
| 09:26.03 | ajavid | !list by size |
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| 09:26.08 | ajavid | something |
| 09:26.09 | ajavid | hang on |
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| 09:26.26 | ajavid | !sort by size |
| 09:26.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package), or also: aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I" |
| 09:26.43 | shakaponk | hey guyz |
| 09:26.43 | shakaponk | i've installed apache2 with php5.2.0-8 |
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| 09:27.42 | shakaponk | but i need php with gd support |
| 09:27.52 | ajavid | so intal lit |
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| 09:27.59 | ajavid | judd versions php5-gd |
| 09:28.01 | judd | ajavid: php5-gd -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 sid: 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2.2 squeeze: 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2.2 experimental: 5.3.0-2 |
| 09:28.11 | ajavid | h cool |
| 09:28.14 | ajavid | 5.3 in exp. |
| 09:28.24 | nsadmin | gd is that drawing lib? |
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| 09:29.03 | shakaponk | ok, thx i'll try |
| 09:29.14 | ajavid | shakaponk, aptitude install php5-gd |
| 09:29.25 | shakaponk | may thx |
| 09:29.27 | shakaponk | many thx |
| 09:30.00 | nsadmin | shakaponk: also, see what happens when you apt-cache search php gd |
| 09:30.01 | ajavid | shakaponk, /usr/share/doc/php5-gd/ <- go here and read stuff after installation |
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| 09:30.27 | shakaponk | ok cool |
| 09:30.27 | ajavid | nsadmin, /msg dpkg tell shakaponk -about search |
| 09:30.34 | shakaponk | you're the best guyz ;-) |
| 09:30.53 | nsadmin | and now we want the best girlz! |
| 09:31.02 | shakaponk | come over |
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| 09:31.13 | shakaponk | i have great girlz in my volleyball team |
| 09:31.15 | shakaponk | ;-) |
| 09:32.43 | nsadmin | mm, athletic |
| 09:33.45 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: or try this; grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -rn | less |
| 09:33.50 | ajavid | ok hacking in progress, I'm going to debianify this fakemail.py |
| 09:34.11 | ajavid | I'm now able to read/write to/from the /etc/fakemail.conf file |
| 09:34.25 | ajavid | now to put all the settings in there, repackage, and satisfy policy |
| 09:34.29 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: you;ll need/want to have grep-dctrl and dctrl-tools installed |
| 09:34.31 | ajavid | :) |
| 09:34.35 | ajavid | failmail is nice |
| 09:34.38 | ajavid | falke |
| 09:34.39 | ajavid | oh fuck. |
| 09:34.51 | Zharf | yeah failmail |
| 09:34.54 | Zharf | you got that right |
| 09:35.06 | xeon-enouf | Peter Falke mail? |
| 09:35.13 | ajavid | fakemail, I dunno why I keep typing fail,my fingers are just attuned to typing fail for some reason :) |
| 09:35.38 | xeon-enouf | how about 'burnmail' :-P |
| 09:35.41 | Zharf | it's quite common in these days of fail |
| 09:35.42 | hmage_ | ajavid: it's easier to fail than fake |
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| 09:36.22 | hmage_ | failmail is actually simple to do -- reject all incoming connections |
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| 09:36.28 | ajavid | hehe |
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| 09:37.18 | xeon-enouf | hmage_: too bad we can't do that with snailmail spammage |
| 09:37.39 | fpcfan | I want to install debian-sid in ~/debian-sid and chroot into it to build some deb packages in a clean environment and without root privileges. I thought cdebootstrap could populate the debian-sid directory. Why does cdebootstrap need root privileges itself? |
| 09:37.48 | hmage_ | xeon-enouf: just reject all incoming postal workers |
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| 09:38.25 | xeon-enouf | without going postal? heh ... nope, the fed has an unlimited supply |
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| 09:38.50 | ajavid | you'd need root to mount the required file systems like proc and tmp and bind other directories |
| 09:39.04 | xeon-enouf | fpcfan: try fakeroot |
| 09:39.07 | ajavid | so why does it matter? I however do not know the answer to that, good question btw |
| 09:39.18 | ajavid | does cdebootstrap work with fakeroot? |
| 09:39.40 | hmage_ | xeon-enouf: then never remove mail from your mail inbox, all postal workers will return with 'mailbox is full' |
| 09:39.51 | fpcfan | xeon-enouf: I will try that |
| 09:40.12 | xeon-enouf | cdebootstrap is just debootstrap written in 'C', iinm .. and there's a few bug reports abuot it ;-) |
| 09:40.16 | fpcfan | ajavid: I want to prevent messing the host system |
| 09:40.44 | ajavid | fpcfan, I know, you possibly couldn't with cdebootstrap as root unless you isntall to some system directory I dunno |
| 09:40.47 | fpcfan | xeon-enouf: you recommend to use debootstrap instead |
| 09:40.56 | ajavid | uses straight up debootstrap |
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| 09:41.19 | xeon-enouf | fpcfan: i've not tried cd... but have used deb,,, see BTS perhaps |
| 09:41.24 | ajavid | cdebootstrap had some bug earlier this month about not correctly handling symlinks or some such |
| 09:41.50 | ajavid | it allowed access outside of the chroot to the host system or something, I can't quite fully recall, yes check the BTS |
| 09:43.03 | nsadmin | fpcfan: you may wish to back up the host system |
| 09:43.23 | nsadmin | and make sure you can restore |
| 09:43.29 | ajavid | for debootstrap somewhere in ~/ |
| 09:43.34 | ajavid | no need just for this |
| 09:43.40 | ajavid | but yes, backups are essential regardless |
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| 09:44.04 | fpcfan | with fakeroot nothing happens |
| 09:44.16 | ajavid | yes I didn't think it worked with fakeroot |
| 09:44.18 | fpcfan | without it: E: debootstrap can only run as root |
| 09:44.25 | ajavid | the code I looked at actually is hardcoded |
| 09:44.29 | ajavid | you have to use sudo or root |
| 09:44.32 | themill | fpcfan: debootstrap needs to call chroot(2) which needs root privs. But you can drop root privs inside the chroot for the actual building. You may want to look at pdebuild/cowbuilder/pbuilder and friends to do the building. |
| 09:44.52 | ajavid | exactly |
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| 09:45.31 | ajavid | themill, how do schroot/dchroot call the chroot ? |
| 09:46.00 | mns_ | Anyone having performance problems after upgrading to xorg 7.4 and mesa 7.5 ? Seem slike things likt tsclient, iceweasel (especially iceweasel), are being very slow. Takes a about 30 seconds for iceweasel to even draw the menubar and the rest of its window when I start it up, and that's with me having set the home page to be blank. |
| 09:46.14 | ajavid | themill, are schroot and dchroot configurd internally to call chroot with proper root perms and then switch the user to his specified shell/env. ? |
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| 09:46.25 | ajavid | I'm guessing? I haven't yet looked into it deeper |
| 09:46.28 | xeon-enouf | mns_: ouch! |
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| 09:47.00 | themill | ajavid: I've not looked, but yes that must be roughly the sequence of events |
| 09:47.32 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.47 | nsadmin | mns_: check the bts for all questions of the form "Anyone having X with package Y: |
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| 09:48.16 | mns | xeon-enouf, ouch! is right. its even worse on flash based pages |
| 09:48.19 | nsadmin | err "Anyone having X problems with package Y" |
| 09:48.39 | xeon-enouf | mns: all i know is module versions should match X version |
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| 09:48.48 | nsadmin | that's where those questions are answered |
| 09:49.07 | xeon-enouf | mns: check your Xorg.0.log carefully - note versions |
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| 09:51.24 | xeon-enouf | (or maybe DRI is disabled, and shutoff any compiz when testing) |
| 09:51.28 | _ke | an aptitude upgrade shows me that libssl0.9.8 openssl would need a security update, however i cannot find any announcement on http://www.debian.org/security/. hows that possible? |
| 09:51.47 | xeon-enouf | !dsa1571 |
| 09:51.51 | dpkg | Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes> |
| 09:52.08 | mns | xeon-enouf, I don't use compiz, at least not that I am aware of. |
| 09:52.16 | ajavid | man, the python config parser class is AWESOME! |
| 09:52.19 | themill | xeon-enouf: err... no, enouf. That's a bit old |
| 09:52.26 | ajavid | too old |
| 09:53.05 | themill | _ke: you might want to subscribe to debian-security-announce. http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00209.html |
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| 09:53.58 | ajavid | themill, and others, debian-security-announce and DSA posts are available on twitter updates in your IM clients (if they support twitter) |
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| 09:54.19 | ajavid | Yoono addon for firefox is awesome, and always shows the latest updates |
| 09:54.20 | freak2342 | hi |
| 09:54.34 | epifanio | ajavid: xeon-enouf , thanks!!! |
| 09:54.37 | ajavid | I think damog wrote a perl parser that parsed uhm... 'html' |
| 09:54.37 | _ke | xeon-enouf, no, thats the wrong one. this one must have updated in the last days |
| 09:54.40 | freak2342 | could someone tell why apt-get is resolving host as ipv6 instad of ipv4? |
| 09:54.48 | ajavid | look around there on debian devel |
| 09:54.59 | ajavid | I think you'll find his script (if you wish to use it as like rss) |
| 09:55.14 | _ke | themill, yes, but it should have been added to the website as well, not? |
| 09:55.16 | ajavid | it parses DSA announcements and works like a feed/ |
| 09:55.35 | themill | _ke: that takes time. The website always lags the email list. |
| 09:55.51 | ajavid | (the email list is always current) |
| 09:56.07 | ajavid | fastest as that is the primary postin medium |
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| 09:56.20 | _ke | themill, allright ;) i just was wondering why aptitude is showing me an update which was not added to the website |
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| 09:57.41 | _ke | themill, its probably this http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00209.html which aptitude is referring to? |
| 09:57.54 | ajavid | http://twitter.com/debian_security |
| 09:58.16 | themill | _ke: That's the URL I just gave you, yes. What's your actual question? |
| 09:58.46 | _ke | themill, ah sorry, i didnt see that message |
| 09:58.57 | nsadmin | freak2342: is there a problem you're having with accessing ipv6 addresses? |
| 09:59.29 | freak2342 | nsadmin: no, when i'm typing apt-get install something |
| 09:59.35 | freak2342 | it resolves host from source.list |
| 09:59.37 | freak2342 | as ipv6 |
| 09:59.46 | freak2342 | and i want to access it thru ipv4 |
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| 10:00.40 | nsadmin | but there's not a functional problem? it downloades packages and data without problem? |
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| 10:04.26 | Sindikat | Hi all. Is there a program that can take info from CD, when CD is scratched, leading to checksum problems? |
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| 10:05.55 | xeon-enouf | !noipv6 |
| 10:05.56 | dpkg | noipv6 is, like, echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 10:06.19 | xeon-enouf | not sure if that's still effective though |
| 10:07.50 | xeon-enouf | $ grep -i ipv6 /boot/config-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 10:07.51 | xeon-enouf | CONFIG_IPV6=y |
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| 10:07.56 | xeon-enouf | guess not, heh |
| 10:08.25 | fpcfan | thanks for the help. time to start the backup |
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| 10:09.44 | ajavid | ~/backup/iw_profiles/* is 700~ish mb... |
| 10:09.45 | apt | okay, ajavid |
| 10:09.50 | ajavid | uhh |
| 10:10.00 | ajavid | apt forget ~/backup/iw_profiles/* |
| 10:10.00 | apt | ajavid: i didn't have anything called '~/backup/iw_profiles/*' to forget |
| 10:10.08 | ajavid | apt forget /backup/iw_profiles/ |
| 10:10.08 | apt | i didn't have anything called '/backup/iw_profiles/' to forget, ajavid |
| 10:10.13 | ajavid | oh fuck me runnin. |
| 10:10.34 | azm | ajavid, whats better debian or arch ? |
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| 10:10.48 | ajavid | azm, whatever you find out after using both. |
| 10:10.48 | nsadmin | ~forget /backup/iw_profiles/* |
| 10:10.49 | apt | nsadmin: i forgot /backup/iw_profiles/* |
| 10:10.54 | xeon-enouf | bingo |
| 10:10.56 | ajavid | nsadmin, thanks |
| 10:11.09 | nsadmin | azm: well with arch, you get a holodeck |
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| 10:11.27 | draeath | Is there a proper way to detach a SATA drive, aside from unmounting and using 'sync'? |
| 10:11.30 | draeath | I ask since, on removal, I get kernel messages about the SATA drivers trying to reconnect etc (which is not needed) |
| 10:11.52 | draeath | I'd basically like to "detach" the drive from the bus before physically removing it. |
| 10:11.53 | xeon-enouf | draeath: try 'eject' |
| 10:11.58 | azm | lol, gonna try it. |
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| 10:12.10 | xeon-enouf | draeath: if not, use ..one sec |
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| 10:12.16 | ajavid | azm, you do realize you will always receive a biased 'opinion' |
| 10:12.18 | draeath | xeon-enouf: will that work for regular block devices? it's eSata, but electrically it may as well be a direct SATA hard drive |
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| 10:12.25 | nsadmin | you just have to be in the right place and then say "Arch!" |
| 10:12.33 | nsadmin | and be keptin pickard |
| 10:12.34 | ajavid | azm, the best is to find out for yourself through personal experience |
| 10:12.38 | maxagaz | is there a way to do a halt on lan on machine frozen machine ? |
| 10:12.40 | azm | your right |
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| 10:13.17 | nsadmin | isnt' there a distribution howto still? |
| 10:13.31 | xeon-enouf | !scsi rescan |
| 10:13.31 | dpkg | scsi rescan is probably echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan (where # is the number of the relevant SCSI host). Any new devices found will be listed in /proc/scsi/scsi. Or, aptitude install scsitools && rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
| 10:14.16 | draeath | ah but that's not really what I want |
| 10:14.24 | draeath | I wanted to 'alert' the system that the device will be disconnected |
| 10:14.35 | xeon-enouf | draeath: although ,, i think there's another pkg with a similar script/tool - i thing the hotplugger pkg is for IDE cards/drives only |
| 10:14.37 | draeath | I guess kind of like when you remove an unmounted usb drive |
| 10:14.50 | xeon-enouf | draeath: when you umount, that syncs the FS |
| 10:14.55 | draeath | well it's no big deal. if i dismount and sync, there's no data to lose |
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| 10:14.59 | egoleo_ | anyone here to help me with Atheros wireless AR24 on lenny |
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| 10:15.53 | draeath | xeon-enouf: well, thanks for the brainpower :) |
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| 10:16.15 | jetscreamer | so they broke dselect's recognition of newly available packages i guess |
| 10:16.29 | ajavid | hi jet |
| 10:16.33 | jetscreamer | hey |
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| 10:17.59 | jetscreamer | everything that's not installed is marked new |
| 10:18.28 | xeon-enouf | haha @ WTF? |
| 10:18.32 | xeon-enouf | !ricky_clarkson memory |
| 10:18.32 | dpkg | hmm... ricky_clarkson memory is google for rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
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| 10:19.14 | xeon-enouf | !ar24 |
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| 10:19.54 | xeon-enouf | !ar2425 |
| 10:19.55 | dpkg | The Atheros AR2425/AR5007* PCI-E wireless LAN chipset is supported by the mainline <ath5k> driver since Linux 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package. For support of the Atheros AR5007UG USB chipset (formerly Zydas ZD1211), ask me about <zd1211rw>. |
| 10:20.09 | xeon-enouf | egoleo_: ^^^^^ |
| 10:20.23 | egoleo_ | yeah |
| 10:20.38 | xeon-enouf | !wifi howto |
| 10:20.38 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux Additional resources and links to related information/websites also available. See also http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 10:21.16 | egoleo_ | i need helok checking it out |
| 10:21.30 | egoleo_ | i wanted to use madwifi |
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| 10:21.37 | egoleo_ | but seems when compiling |
| 10:21.51 | egoleo_ | it misses some build folders in the kernel |
| 10:22.01 | xeon-enouf | egoleo_: /msg dpkg enter |
| 10:22.09 | xeon-enouf | ;-) |
| 10:22.37 | xeon-enouf | madwifi has forums, no? |
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| 10:23.06 | xeon-enouf | er, likely even a #madwifi :-p |
| 10:23.11 | jetscreamer | /join #madwifi |
| 10:23.33 | egoleo_ | ok thnx |
| 10:24.01 | xeon-enouf | egoleo_: which/whose kernel are you using? |
| 10:24.26 | egoleo_ | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 10:25.14 | xeon-enouf | egoleo_: ahh.. ok - try the .30 bpo kernel as mentioned above |
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| 10:26.45 | xeon-enouf | sup jet |
| 10:26.56 | sohum | why is aptitude not installing a package? "aptitude install package/repo" just runs as if I've told it to do nothing, but apt-cache policy package says it's there |
| 10:27.11 | xeon-enouf | crawls back into bed for an hour or so |
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| 10:29.01 | jetscreamer | nada, enouf .... 5.30 am wheee |
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| 10:33.32 | themill | sohum: can you pastebin the output of those two commands along with the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
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| 10:35.57 | sohum | themill: aah, I figured it out. it was a virtual package |
| 10:36.13 | Dumb0 | sohum, "aptitude" is text-based frontend to a "apt" so usually they use the same packages database |
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| 10:38.56 | wonderworld | how would i find out about used/max file handles on my box? |
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| 10:44.38 | c03 | hephey |
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| 10:44.58 | c03 | is it possible to limit a user only to be logged in once? |
| 10:45.13 | c03 | so theres not multiple instances of the same user logged on? |
| 10:45.44 | joltcan | c03: it might be some PAM module for that, but I'm just guessing now |
| 10:46.01 | c03 | passwd can't control it? |
| 10:46.27 | joltcan | c03: no, that I'm pretty sure of |
| 10:46.39 | joltcan | c03: and still, a user could login and start screen and so on |
| 10:47.01 | c03 | this user can't, he's thrown into mp3blaster at login |
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| 10:47.33 | toolz | anyone knows how do I compile a 1000 hz kernel? |
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| 10:48.36 | joltcan | toolz: No idea, but google had lots on answer of a "1000hz kernel debian" query |
| 10:50.06 | the-dude | toolz: its just a kernel option, not that hard to find |
| 10:50.28 | c03 | hmm |
| 10:50.33 | c03 | I dunno how to do this |
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| 10:56.59 | daniele_982 | hello all someone know analog? i want try to personalize it but i not undertand how to do it |
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| 11:05.56 | Kovensky | problem: |
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| 11:06.05 | Kovensky | live-initramfs mounts the USB disk on /live/image |
| 11:06.18 | Kovensky | the problem is that it's mounted with uid=0,umask=0022 |
| 11:06.31 | Kovensky | that impedes my user from writing to the fat32 partition |
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| 11:07.01 | Kovensky | I tried several things; such as 'mount -o remount,uid=1000,umask=0000', 'umount -l' then mounting, and no success with any |
| 11:07.19 | Kovensky | so, does anyone have a clue on how to make that fs writable for regular users? :S |
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| 11:07.58 | Supaplex | man umask |
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| 11:08.26 | Supaplex | btw, some filesystems silently ignore remount requests. |
| 11:08.52 | Supaplex | umount -l is a touch dangerous too. |
| 11:12.26 | ionte | yes |
| 11:12.31 | ionte | yes |
| 11:12.55 | Kovensky | I tried mounting on a separate folder too, no luck |
| 11:13.02 | Kovensky | it's like it ignores uid/umount |
| 11:13.22 | Kovensky | Supaplex: I know, but the filesystem is locked by the filesystem.squashfs mount |
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| 11:14.33 | xeon-enouf | egoleo_: please don't PM me ; apt-get -t lenny-backports install linux-image-VERSION-here |
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| 11:15.33 | xeon-enouf | !vfatrw |
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| 11:15.34 | dpkg | To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". |
| 11:15.42 | Kovensky | /dev/sda1 on /live/image type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0000,dmask=0000,allow_utime=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8) |
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| 11:15.49 | Kovensky | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.50 | Kovensky | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 15K 2009-09-13 19:26 ldlinux.sys |
| 11:15.52 | izua | i want to upload a bunch of files from the command line to a http file hosting server |
| 11:16.01 | xeon-enouf | but what i do is chown user:usr /mnt/point |
| 11:16.03 | izua | is there a tool to automate this? |
| 11:16.20 | Kovensky | $ sudo chown kovensky:kovensky /live/image/ |
| 11:16.20 | Kovensky | chown: changing ownership of `/live/image/': Operation not permitted |
| 11:16.34 | xeon-enouf | then have in fstab something like rw,uid=xxxx,gid=xxxx |
| 11:16.40 | Kovensky | can't use fstab |
| 11:16.44 | izua | for example, i tell it the url, the field names in the html form, and where the form should post, and then it goes to that url with my file in a www-enc-multipart form |
| 11:16.49 | Kovensky | it's a live system |
| 11:17.05 | xeon-enouf | bah - likely unionfs/aufs |
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| 11:21.33 | dsa | I was mounting ntfs partition on ubuntu, then one folder had disappeared, I try too many of tools but no one work I think the folder didn't deleted Note: I try to boot from windows but also I can't find it |
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| 11:25.04 | c03 | i can't see my debian server on my samba network |
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| 11:26.16 | c03 | the ports are open |
| 11:26.33 | sebastian01_ | van itt valaki magyar ajku? |
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| 11:29.43 | sebastian01_ | wer spicht hier deutsch? |
| 11:29.53 | cuse | Hi! I'm currently thinking whether to install Debian IA-64 or i386. What is your experience? Is it already safe to use IA-64? |
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| 11:30.16 | cuse | join |
| 11:30.20 | petemc | cuse: unless you have itanium you dont want ia-64 |
| 11:30.41 | petemc | cuse: amd64 is x64-64 |
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| 11:30.46 | cuse | aaaaaaa |
| 11:30.47 | petemc | erm, x86-64 |
| 11:31.02 | petemc | its a common mistake |
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| 11:31.19 | cuse | petemc: and x86-64 is safe to use? |
| 11:31.50 | petemc | i dont use it, but i believe so |
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| 11:32.14 | cuse | petemc: you have 64 bit machine and using i386? |
| 11:32.22 | petemc | yes |
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| 11:33.37 | petemc | i have no need for what 64 bit offers, tho im sure i will at some point in the future |
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| 11:37.08 | cuse | sebastian01_: probiers auf #debian-de |
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| 11:37.14 | joltcan | I would go with 32bit, then if I need 64 in the future, just save the dpkg package list and do a new install |
| 11:38.19 | sebastian01_ | cuse kannst du für mich helfen |
| 11:38.35 | sebastian01_ | ich habe ein kleines problem |
| 11:38.46 | abrotman | sebastian01_: english here please |
| 11:38.51 | g0rd0n | i have a tv card with s-video input and hardware decoder, which is supported by linux kernel... could you name me a good streaming server? basically i want to put this card in a machine and stream the s-video input over rtp or something... |
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| 11:39.18 | sebastian01_ | i have lifcam vx 1000 |
| 11:39.37 | cuse | sebastian01_: auf #debian-de wird dir sicherlich auf deutsch geholfen, hier sieht man es nicht so gerne dass in einer anderen sprache gesprochen wird |
| 11:40.00 | sebastian01_ | and driver sn9c102 no godd |
| 11:40.05 | sebastian01_ | ok cuse |
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| 11:40.56 | greenmang0 | g0rd0n: VLC? |
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| 11:41.28 | g0rd0n | greenmang0: can it stream from a tv card? |
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| 11:42.22 | nyk2005 | Does someone know a program to classify short (2sec) audio samples (of enviromental sounds)? |
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| 11:42.59 | cantoma | hey guys, is there anyway of recovering some files deleted from a folder like this rm *.fig? |
| 11:43.00 | cantoma | hey guys, is there anyway of recovering some files deleted from a folder like this rm *.fig?? |
| 11:43.13 | abrotman | cantoma: from your backup? |
| 11:43.22 | cantoma | abrotman, no backup |
| 11:43.32 | abrotman | !tell cantoma about undelete |
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| 11:44.46 | cuse | uuuhm, "amd64" architecture of Debian is also supposed for Intel x84 64 bit machines? I dont |
| 11:44.57 | cuse | I dont see a separate arch for intel |
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| 11:46.44 | Worf_ | amd was kinda first, hence the name. it's the same arch. |
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| 11:53.17 | abrotman | cuse: yes, amd64 is for amd64 and x86_64 and em64t and intel64 .. and whatever goofy names it has now |
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| 11:54.18 | cuse | abrotman: aaa ok , thanks for the clearification |
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| 11:56.42 | dank | i'm using the timeout command to cancel a unison job when it takes more than 5 minutes to run later. I've tried the -killserver switch on unison, and sending different signals with timeout... but it's always leaving a unison process running on the server, any ideas how to stop unison after a certain amount of time cleanly? |
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| 11:58.13 | g0rd0n | hmmm i have a linux server with some media on it mostly music... is there a way to share it on the network so that windows media players for example can access the library directly? dunno how that kind of sharing is called, but most network media players support that |
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| 11:58.46 | mns | g0rd0n, have you tried samba ? |
| 11:59.00 | g0rd0n | mns: oh forget it i was wrong, the media is on a windows machine :p |
| 11:59.10 | mns | lol ok |
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| 12:02.48 | cantoma | abrotman, personally did you tried any of these method for recovering? |
| 12:03.01 | abrotman | cantoma: nope .. i try not to delete things i need |
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| 12:03.12 | abrotman | i know, it's an odd habit |
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| 12:04.27 | Karlita | Hello how can one delete a dir even if it has contents? |
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| 12:04.45 | Titan8990 | Karlita, rm -r if you want to delete those contents |
| 12:05.10 | Karlita | Titan8990: are you a bot or something? You seem to have answer to every question i have =) thanks |
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| 12:05.14 | bakkdoor | hi. is there an easy way to search for packages by dependencies. for example, searching for all packages that depend on package X ? |
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| 12:05.46 | Titan8990 | bakkdoor, aptitude why <package> might be what your looking for |
| 12:05.59 | bakkdoor | Titan8990: alright, thanks :) |
| 12:06.05 | lucas_ | bot!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:06.12 | Titan8990 | hehe |
| 12:06.28 | lucas_ | :) |
| 12:06.37 | abrotman | apt-cache rdepends |
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| 12:06.59 | cantoma | abrotman, i was trying to delete some eps files that i generate from some data in order to generate them again .. instead i deleted the data .. loool |
| 12:07.12 | bakkdoor | hm. is there a way to search like this for packages that i don't have installed yet? |
| 12:07.24 | abrotman | cantoma: i'd hardly call that a "lol" |
| 12:07.45 | abrotman | bakkdoor: apt-cache rdepends |
| 12:08.01 | Titan8990 | bakkdoor, check out abrotman's suggestion |
| 12:08.23 | bakkdoor | abrotman: seems like it only shows me already installed packages |
| 12:08.35 | Titan8990 | aptitude why is simplistic, not really for searching but will provide some info |
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| 12:09.01 | Titan8990 | bakkdoor, are you looking for a package with a broken dep? |
| 12:09.05 | abrotman | bakkdoor: not here |
| 12:09.42 | bakkdoor | Titan8990: i'm looking for packages that depend on a certain package because i'm trying to package something that depends on it as well and want to look how they did it |
| 12:10.00 | bakkdoor | abrotman:hm ok, you might be right. |
| 12:10.35 | abrotman | might be? |
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| 12:12.40 | bakkdoor | abrotman: i guess you are :) |
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| 12:12.54 | bakkdoor | but it doesn't seem to help me alot. oh well, thanks anyway :) |
| 12:13.18 | toolz | whats the default kernel hz at a default install ? |
| 12:13.26 | toolz | on 5.0.2 and 5.0.3 |
| 12:13.28 | abrotman | 42 |
| 12:13.41 | toolz | 42hz ? |
| 12:13.44 | abrotman | bakkdoor: what are you actually trying to figure out |
| 12:14.04 | abrotman | toolz: grep HZ /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 12:14.22 | themill | toolz: /msg judd kconfig HZ |
| 12:14.33 | bakkdoor | i'm trying to package sesame2 as backend for soprano |
| 12:14.39 | toolz | CONFIG_HZ=250 |
| 12:14.53 | toolz | do I need to do some major modifications to change it to 1000 for example ? |
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| 12:15.22 | abrotman | you'd recompile the kernel |
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| 12:15.39 | toolz | how ? |
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| 12:15.54 | abrotman | is this for a game server? |
| 12:15.58 | toolz | yes |
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| 12:24.46 | toolz | how do I get a bigmem kernel so I can rebuild it? |
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| 12:27.28 | sep | toolz, man apt-get read about the source argument |
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| 12:28.29 | zeroConf | hey if i alt-f2 and use a second shell during isntall, not much is in the path - so i am wondering, whre would be ifconfig ? |
| 12:28.45 | abrotman | /sbin/ifconfig ? |
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| 12:29.02 | OpenTokix | abrotman: not during install |
| 12:29.07 | zeroConf | thats what iw wuld hve thought |
| 12:29.10 | zeroConf | but during isntall... |
| 12:29.23 | abrotman | OpenTokix: i'm not running the installer .. it was a guess .. i'd imagine /sbin/ifconfig or /usr/sbin/ifconfig |
| 12:29.25 | OpenTokix | I have tried to figure out my ip during install before, haven't succeeded. |
| 12:29.26 | zeroConf | well basically i am set at the point where its getting network mirrors |
| 12:29.36 | OpenTokix | abrotman: no, but zeroConf is |
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| 12:29.48 | abrotman | though it might use 'ip' instead of 'ifconfig' |
| 12:29.55 | zeroConf | now it said it cant connect to the proxy... |
| 12:29.58 | zeroConf | ill check ip |
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| 12:30.27 | zeroConf | hmmmm busybox... options.... ip.. |
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| 12:31.31 | abrotman | OpenTokix: i meant that i can't check |
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| 12:32.19 | riot | hi |
| 12:32.24 | pawbie | Nvidia 185.18.36 (prop and repo) on 2.6.30 (debian squeeze), gdm won't start X. It fails with 0 for a return, has no errors in X or gdm logs, but if I use startx as a user it works 100%. ? |
| 12:32.31 | OpenTokix | abrotman: I am lost now |
| 12:32.46 | OpenTokix | abrotman: I will retreat into my GNU/Lair wich is free and open source |
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| 12:32.51 | abrotman | OpenTokix: he was asking where it was in the installer, i don't have the installer running anywhere, he does .. i guessed |
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| 12:32.56 | riot | again, my battery (on a X60T) won't charge. I discharged it completely (by accident) and now it refuses to charge. |
| 12:33.01 | OpenTokix | abrotman: ok =) |
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| 12:33.30 | riot | last reported capacity was ~65000 out of 66000 so it cannot really be dead.. i think acpi is doing some nastiness :( |
| 12:33.55 | abrotman | sounds like a hardware issue .. does it work in windows ? |
| 12:33.58 | zeroConf | this is crap cause if i cant work out the ip i may as well not isntall |
| 12:34.00 | zeroConf | grrrr |
| 12:34.40 | pawbie | zeroConf: Work out the ip? |
| 12:34.49 | zeroConf | of this box |
| 12:34.52 | zeroConf | during isntall |
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| 12:35.24 | _marix | zeroconf: using dhcp so you dont know your ip or? |
| 12:35.28 | pawbie | zeroConf: Change to another console and use ifconfig ? |
| 12:35.47 | g0rd0n | hmmm i have hte hauppauge pvr-150 tv card, inserted it into an etch system, but somehow it does not get recognized by the kernel... no /dev/video0 there. so which kernel module should i load for that carda? |
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| 12:36.11 | zeroConf | it used dhcp - but icant find the record in either of the dhcp servers and dont know which interface its using... |
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| 12:37.05 | riot | abrotman: windows tells me about some battery-error |
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| 12:37.11 | g0rd0n | card shows up as iTVC16 in lspci |
| 12:37.20 | riot | abrotman: i had that one some months ago, but after a reboot it charged again |
| 12:37.30 | _marix | zeroconf: as long as you get internet and continue the install there shouldnt be any real problems |
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| 12:38.02 | sebastian01_ | zoltanh te vagy? |
| 12:38.02 | zeroConf | its all a mess cause one dhcp server is giving out 10.0.2.x addy and another is giving out 192.168.56.x - and the other box that is pluged in got a 192.168.111.x address |
| 12:38.07 | zeroConf | im so fucking confused |
| 12:38.22 | pawbie | ....why would you have 2 DHCP servers on a single segment? |
| 12:38.27 | zeroConf | _marix - i just wanna know which proxy server to point the installer at... |
| 12:38.44 | pawbie | zeroConf: The one that works! *badumtish* |
| 12:38.49 | zeroConf | pawbie - it shouldnt be that way, and the cables go all over the place... |
| 12:39.10 | _marix | zeroconf: toss a coin and pick one, if it faisl enter the other |
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| 12:40.13 | zeroConf | marix - but it dont work properly and i get these 15 min timeouts for some reason |
| 12:40.21 | zeroConf | so i need to work a little bit more of this out... |
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| 12:43.05 | eshat | How do I delete my apt cache ? |
| 12:43.35 | eshat | I mean also all (not-installed) package info of dpkg |
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| 12:43.52 | OpenTokix | eshat: apt-get clean |
| 12:44.02 | eshat | OpenTokix: no that's not it |
| 12:44.08 | OpenTokix | oki |
| 12:44.15 | eshat | that only deletes downloaded packages |
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| 12:45.32 | adb | rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin |
| 12:45.58 | eshat | adb: can I delete that without any problems ? |
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| 12:46.12 | adb | i dunno |
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| 12:46.54 | adb | better tell us your real problems .. |
| 12:46.54 | eshat | hmmm |
| 12:47.13 | starenka | hi all. how to forward certain port from one device to another port on another device? |
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| 12:48.14 | starenka | by device i mean (eth,wlan etc) |
| 12:48.51 | toolz | usually, how much does it take on a system with 8gb ram, core 2 duo e8400 processor to rebuild a kernel? |
| 12:49.23 | adb | < 1 h |
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| 12:50.23 | adb | starenka, try #networking |
| 12:50.35 | eshat | toolz: depends on have many mpodules you include |
| 12:50.49 | dsdeiz | do you guys consider dillo as the lightest gui browser? |
| 12:51.08 | dario | links -g ;P |
| 12:51.14 | toolz | I just got the source of the current linux-image I use and modified what I needed, from 250 to 1000hz |
| 12:51.17 | toolz | and started to rebuild |
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| 12:51.45 | eshat | is there a good actual howto compile kernel on lenny (or sid ) |
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| 12:52.07 | dsdeiz | aside from links -g or links2 -g hehe |
| 12:52.36 | themill | eshat: /msg dpkg kernel compile |
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| 12:52.49 | eshat | themill: thanks |
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| 12:57.54 | zeroConf | figured things out - a interface wasnt up, thats all it was, the if on the proxy wasnt up, i dont know what happened but its working, how can the route all be there but the if be down ? wtf ? crazy computer |
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| 13:01.23 | Karlita | Guys I was reading somewhere that one should use "screen" for example to use rtorrent. and it said I should make a icon that runs in terminal with the following command: screen -D -R rtorrent |
| 13:01.33 | Karlita | However, all it does is starts a terminal named "screen" |
| 13:01.40 | Karlita | and I have to manually type "rtorrent" for it to start |
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| 13:04.53 | babilen | hi all. i am having a problem with a locally maintained mutt |
| 13:05.15 | babilen | i have to build my own packages, because i want tokyocabinet to be enabled |
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| 13:06.03 | babilen | so i change the debian/rules files to fit my needs, run "dch -l+tokyocabinet" and "debbuild -rfakeroot" and install the new package |
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| 13:06.36 | babilen | this worked so far. but right now aptitude wants to install the sid version on safe-upgrade (i am running sqeeze) |
| 13:06.44 | babilen | why is that? |
| 13:07.05 | themill | babilen: have a look at the output of "apt-cache policy mutt" (stick it in a pastebin, perhaps) |
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| 13:07.50 | babilen | themill: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/140044/ |
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| 13:08.39 | ward- | anyone familiar with red5 or openmeetings? i keep getting this error when trying to start red5: http://pastebin.com/m6baa2a8b |
| 13:08.54 | ward- | using debian 5.03 32bit |
| 13:08.57 | themill | babilen: is there a reason you've got "sid" in your sources.list at all if you're running squeeze? You should either remove it, set a Default-Release (/msg dpkg tum) or do some pinning (/msg dpkg pinning) |
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| 13:09.18 | ThoMe | hello |
| 13:09.29 | ThoMe | i would like add in the .bashrc a alias command ofr "bconsole" |
| 13:09.33 | ward- | following this tutorial: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=nl&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fliberamemoria.blogspot.com%2F2009%2F02%2Finstalando-openmeetings-07-rc-2-en.html&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0= |
| 13:09.34 | ThoMe | alias bconsole=echo "messages" |/opt/bacula-3.0.1/sbin/bconsole && /opt/bacula-3.0.1/sbin/bconsole" |
| 13:09.38 | ThoMe | any ideas why? |
| 13:09.40 | ThoMe | but doesnt works |
| 13:09.41 | ward- | (translation from spanish to english) |
| 13:09.55 | ward- | also i tried bith the latest version and the version the tutorial uses |
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| 13:09.58 | ward- | both give me this error |
| 13:10.36 | babilen | themill: i already have set the default release in /etc/apt/conf : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/140046/ |
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| 13:11.16 | themill | ward-: you might want to try that with sun java or openjdk instead of gcj. /msg dpkg install java ; /msg dpkg update-java-alternatives |
| 13:11.21 | babilen | themill: i install packages from sid (very very few handpicked ones) thats why i have it in my sources.list |
| 13:11.39 | sylar | how do I change a user's home dir? |
| 13:11.53 | dario | ThoMe: check your " |
| 13:12.01 | ward- | themill, i got sun java |
| 13:12.03 | ThoMe | dario: hm? |
| 13:12.07 | abrotman | ThoMe: what does it do? it probably needs to be quoted correctly |
| 13:12.16 | babilen | themill: if you wonder about the "squeeze" thing as opposed the to more commonly used "testing". apt 0.7.22 finally fixed that bug |
| 13:12.21 | ward- | themill, well i had to agree the sun license so i think i have the sun java |
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| 13:12.39 | abrotman | babilen: we tell users to use the codenames unless they know better(most don't understand the difference) |
| 13:12.41 | ThoMe | abrotman: |
| 13:12.41 | ThoMe | ifs01:~ # . /root/.bashrc |
| 13:12.41 | ThoMe | -bash: alias: messages: not found |
| 13:12.41 | ThoMe | Connecting to Director erp01:9101 |
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| 13:12.59 | ward- | is there a pasterbot? cool |
| 13:13.06 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 13:13.09 | ward- | ah ok |
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| 13:13.17 | ThoMe | re |
| 13:13.33 | abrotman | ThoMe: your alias isn't quoted correctly |
| 13:13.48 | ThoMe | abrotman: what is good? |
| 13:13.50 | sylar | do I change the home dir in the passwd file? or ? |
| 13:13.54 | babilen | abrotman: does that mean that "squeeze" is *not* really supported in apt.conf Default-Release as of now? |
| 13:13.58 | ward- | themill, the tutorial also says to use sun java btw :) |
| 13:14.04 | dario | sylar: usermod --help |
| 13:14.15 | abrotman | babilen: that's not what i said |
| 13:14.27 | ThoMe | alias bconsole="echo \"messages\" |/opt/bacula-3.0.1/sbin/bconsole && /opt/bacula-3.0.1/sbin/bconsole" |
| 13:14.30 | ThoMe | better? |
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| 13:14.35 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 13:14.39 | ward- | hmmm maybe for some retarded reason i got both sun and another one... lol |
| 13:14.43 | ward- | didnt think of that yet |
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| 13:15.14 | babilen | abrotman: right, sorry i misread that. why is aptitude trying to upgrade my locally created package to the sid version? |
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| 13:15.25 | dsdeiz | hello, i'm getting this error after running alsamixer: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 13:15.33 | abrotman | maybe look at dpkg-compareversions ? |
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| 13:15.41 | [AusNet]brc[a] | kraut |
| 13:15.43 | [AusNet]brc[a] | kronic |
| 13:15.45 | [AusNet]brc[a] | not ard to find |
| 13:15.46 | [AusNet]brc[a] | :D |
| 13:15.59 | abrotman | brcs: do you have a question about Debian ? |
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| 13:16.05 | babilen | abrotman: so the problem is most likely the "dch -l+tokyocabinet" part? |
| 13:16.06 | brcs | NO SIR. |
| 13:16.11 | abrotman | brcs: then please be quiet |
| 13:16.16 | brcs | get fucked |
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| 13:16.46 | sylar | and how can I copy a password between two servers? |
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| 13:17.30 | ward- | some seriously asocial people here today it seems :D |
| 13:17.47 | babilen | abrotman: in which package can i find dpkg-compareversions. apt-file search did return none |
| 13:18.04 | Titan8990 | sylar, if you have the need for something like that you should consider a centralized authentication |
| 13:18.05 | abrotman | thought that was the name |
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| 13:18.17 | xeon-enouf | babilen: check p.d.o |
| 13:18.20 | brccc | I have a question about debian |
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| 13:18.24 | winter | hi, can i get some help here? |
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| 13:18.29 | sylar | Titan8990, and fault tolerating it |
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| 13:18.39 | abrotman | !version compare |
| 13:18.40 | dpkg | The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version, or <version epoch> <debian revision> |
| 13:18.44 | babilen | abrotman: its "dpkg --compareversions" ;-) |
| 13:18.51 | xeon-enouf | winter: only in the summer :-P |
| 13:19.07 | abrotman | maybe he's in the southern hemisphere |
| 13:19.08 | xeon-enouf | babilen: add one more - ;-P |
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| 13:19.18 | xeon-enouf | considered that |
| 13:19.21 | winter | well the issue is that my lenny 5.0.3 recognizes only one cpu and the half of my ram |
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| 13:19.26 | babilen | nods :-D |
| 13:19.29 | xeon-enouf | his bowl flushes backwards :-P |
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| 13:19.49 | babilen | ok, thanks for the pointer! |
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| 13:20.03 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: my brother said that's a myth! |
| 13:20.21 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: (i asked him if the water goes straight down at the south pole) |
| 13:20.22 | pawbie | ...is it? |
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| 13:20.29 | xeon-enouf | haha |
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| 13:20.55 | ward- | lol what is going on here today |
| 13:21.01 | xeon-enouf | needs to run off now .. see yas |
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| 13:21.03 | sylar | I did usermod -d newhome user, but it didn't create the directory |
| 13:21.11 | winter | will anyone hewlp me? i'm new in debian |
| 13:21.18 | abrotman | winter: ask your actual question |
| 13:21.21 | winter | well the issue is that my lenny 5.0.3 recognizes only one cpu and the half of my ram |
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| 13:21.36 | babilen | abrotman: ok, that was stupid. i mean version "1.5.20-4" *is* greater than "1.5.20-2+tokyocabinet". |
| 13:21.37 | g0rd0n | hmmm strange problem with /dev/video0 here... it's actually there crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2009-09-16 16:51 /dev/video0 but when trying to use it i get /dev/video0: No such device or address... how come? :( |
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| 13:21.52 | ward- | winter, how many RAM? |
| 13:21.55 | winter | 2 |
| 13:21.55 | abrotman | jackstone: sorry, I think that was an accident |
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| 13:21.58 | sylar | what cause skel to run? |
| 13:21.59 | ward- | winter, (in total) |
| 13:22.08 | jackstone | What do you mean an accident ? |
| 13:22.09 | babilen | abrotman: which is true for most package versions between squeeze and sid |
| 13:22.09 | winter | 2gb, 2cpu-s |
| 13:22.16 | jackstone | You blatently kicked me |
| 13:22.16 | jackstone | LOL |
| 13:22.16 | abrotman | winter: which kernel are you using? uname -a |
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| 13:22.20 | ward- | and only 1GB gets found? weird |
| 13:22.25 | abrotman | jackstone: do you ahve a Debian related question? |
| 13:22.27 | winter | 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 13:22.32 | babilen | abrotman: the real question is: why does aptitude want to install the sid version? |
| 13:22.35 | jackstone | sure |
| 13:22.35 | abrotman | winter: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 13:22.41 | SPF | sylar: read the man page. quote: The user´s new login directory. If the -m option is given the contents of the current home directory will be moved to the new home directory, which is created if it does not already exist. |
| 13:22.41 | winter | ok |
| 13:22.45 | jackstone | does abrotman have his own distro of debian |
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| 13:23.20 | ward- | abrotman, why does -486 only find 1GB and one CPU? |
| 13:23.35 | ward- | abrotman, (i wsa thinking 4GB or more RAM on 32bit) |
| 13:23.52 | abrotman | ward-: a 486 CPU can't address more than 1GB and SMP was very rare |
| 13:24.02 | jackstone | sn4pp |
| 13:24.02 | winter | heh |
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| 13:24.26 | sylar | SPF, but I have made a few users with the same home, I can't move for all of them |
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| 13:24.31 | babilen | the problem is that my locally compared package has priority "100" and sids one has "500" . Why does the new package not have priority "990" like the squeeze versions? |
| 13:24.38 | winter | had no problems with that no slack which is 486 also |
| 13:24.44 | tawan | (after 14 hours trying) It turns out it is a bug, you can not boot an ext4 root partition on the .30 kernel even with a separate ext2 /boot |
| 13:24.47 | nyk2005 | Does someone know a program to classify short (2sec) audio samples (of enviromental sounds)? |
| 13:24.50 | abrotman | winter: the kernel is? |
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| 13:24.57 | abrotman | jackstone: please talk in the channel |
| 13:25.02 | ward- | abrotman, ah, any idea how he ended up with -486 though? just curious |
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| 13:25.12 | jackstone | The question is non-related |
| 13:25.14 | abrotman | ward-: the installer didn't have net access during installation |
| 13:25.14 | jackstone | It's more personal |
| 13:25.20 | abrotman | jackstone: see /topic |
| 13:25.31 | dsdeiz | uhm, i can't find dillo in the repo.. although it has a wiki in the site. is it not in lenny? |
| 13:25.33 | ward- | abrotman, ah now it makes sense :) thanx for explaining |
| 13:26.00 | jackstone | topic didn't explain my questions |
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| 13:26.04 | abrotman | dsdeiz: it is not in lenny |
| 13:26.04 | jackstone | ^^ |
| 13:26.11 | abrotman | jackstone: see the offtopic part |
| 13:26.11 | SPF | sylar: then I suggest you create the new home dirs manually or make a script |
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| 13:26.38 | sylar | SPF, that's duable, I just am not sure what skel does |
| 13:27.01 | babilen | how can i raise the priority of locally installed packages to have the same value as my default release? |
| 13:27.17 | abrotman | babilen: you could also set the package to hold |
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| 13:29.18 | dsdeiz | uhm, may i ask what to replace iceweasel with? |
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| 13:29.46 | blubaustin | hello |
| 13:29.51 | pawbie | dsdeiz: Chromium! ;) |
| 13:29.55 | babilen | abrotman: might do that. i will see if i find something on the internet |
| 13:29.56 | abrotman | dsdeiz: epiphany? konqueror? |
| 13:30.02 | babilen | abrotman: thanks for the pointers so far! |
| 13:30.04 | abrotman | !tell babilen about hold |
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| 13:31.34 | dsdeiz | abrotman: i'll probably go with epiphany.. (lightweight i think) thanks! |
| 13:31.41 | blubaustin | I'm having trouble with a error when I try to do a debian-installer net-install disc, I get an error on the base system, saying that it fails to install busybox |
| 13:31.45 | abrotman | dsdeiz: not really, it's still gecko-based |
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| 13:31.49 | babilen | abrotman: i know about hold. the point is, that is not really what i want. |
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| 13:31.54 | abrotman | babilen: ah ok |
| 13:31.56 | winter | ok, thanks that made the trick |
| 13:31.58 | blubaustin | I go to terminal 4 like it says to view the error and it shows that busybox cannot be authenticated. |
| 13:32.09 | dsdeiz | i'd also like to try midori but can't find it on the repo |
| 13:32.14 | babilen | abrotman: i would like aptitude to keep my locally package and update it as soon as the sid version migrates to squeez |
| 13:32.51 | abrotman | babilen: really sounds like your versioning isn't right |
| 13:32.53 | babilen | abrotman: or do you know about a better way to get informed of "obsoleted" locally forked packages? |
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| 13:33.23 | junix | I was wondering if anyone knew how to turn up the logging level on syslog-ng? |
| 13:33.42 | babilen | abrotman: what might be the issue? i am running this apt configuration since squeeze was released |
| 13:34.19 | abrotman | babilen: what did the dpkg --compare-versions say ? |
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| 13:35.03 | babilen | if i compare a version between a sid package and a squeeze one, the version of the sid package will be >= squeeze version |
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| 13:35.21 | ward- | anyone familiar with red5 or openmeetings? i keep getting this error when trying to start red5: http://pastebin.com/m6baa2a8b |
| 13:35.36 | tawan | Sid is always ahead |
| 13:35.40 | babilen | which is true for every package in sid. but aptitude does not update my whole system to sid, because i have set the default release to squeeze |
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| 13:36.21 | babilen | this default release however does not seem to apply to my local packages (they "forget" that they are actually an squeeze package) |
| 13:36.39 | robin_sz | sigh ... so why doesn't tomcat5.5 under debian open logfiles under /var/log/tomcat5.5 huh? |
| 13:36.57 | robin_sz | pokes it |
| 13:36.59 | abrotman | ward-: you're still using gcj |
| 13:37.07 | babilen | i still don't really understand why aptitude tries to upgrade the locally created package, but not all the others |
| 13:37.28 | ward- | abrotman, aha let me remove it :) |
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| 13:38.15 | ward- | abrotman, didnt know the actual name gcj lol, i never messed with java stuff before |
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| 13:38.50 | robin_sz | wonders if gcj is linked to his problem .. someting to o with gcj not supporting a security manager yet |
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| 13:39.02 | Titan8990 | ward-, you don't need to remove it |
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| 13:39.18 | ward- | Titan8990, too late |
| 13:39.19 | ward- | lol |
| 13:39.23 | ward- | anyway, new error |
| 13:39.25 | Titan8990 | ward-, update-java-alternatives --set |
| 13:39.27 | ward- | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/red5/server/Standalone |
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| 13:40.13 | blubaustin | maybe if I could bypass the authentication on the package retrieval it would install busybox. |
| 13:40.21 | ward- | Could not find the main class: org.red5.server.Standalone. Program will exit. |
| 13:40.28 | ward- | lol jesus |
| 13:40.40 | junix | I was wondering if anyone knew how to turn up the verbosity level on syslog-ng? |
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| 13:41.38 | ward- | abrotman, i have a new error now, here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m394c62d7 |
| 13:42.52 | babilen | abrotman: just a little question, as it seems that you are quite busy. is the wish i explained earlier about the package being upgraded iff a newer version migrates from sid unreasonable? |
| 13:43.17 | babilen | abrotman: shouldn't that be the normal behaviour? |
| 13:44.34 | Titan8990 | ward-, what is it your trying to run? |
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| 13:45.02 | ward- | Titan8990, red5, for openmeetings |
| 13:45.13 | ward- | Titan8990, following this: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=nl&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fliberamemoria.blogspot.com%2F2009%2F02%2Finstalando-openmeetings-07-rc-2-en.html&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0= |
| 13:45.44 | Titan8990 | ewww flash |
| 13:45.47 | abrotman | ward-: did you set the java to the sun java ? |
| 13:46.12 | ward- | abrotman, i removed gcj |
| 13:46.24 | abrotman | but did you set it to the sun java ? |
| 13:46.29 | ward- | nope i guess |
| 13:46.43 | ward- | i figured if the other one was removed that would be done automagically |
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| 13:47.16 | ward- | i set it with Titan8990 's line right? "update-java-alternatives --set" |
| 13:47.46 | Titan8990 | ward-, update-java-alternatives --list ; update-java-atlernatives --set <foobar> |
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| 13:48.34 | ward- | Titan8990, thanx |
| 13:48.44 | ward- | same error |
| 13:48.45 | ward- | lol |
| 13:50.13 | ward- | http://pastebin.com/m4e18ac4c |
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| 13:51.04 | ward- | output of update-java-alternatives --set: |
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| 13:51.06 | ward- | http://pastebin.com/m1d7c8d44 |
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| 13:52.23 | Titan8990 | looks fine other than nsplugin |
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| 13:54.20 | ward- | strange |
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| 13:54.44 | ward- | then openmeetings is officially impossible to setup |
| 13:54.47 | ward- | :s |
| 13:55.00 | ward- | why would they make sometihng so nice if nobody can use it lol |
| 13:55.28 | Titan8990 | look at their docs, they have have a "preferred" platform |
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| 13:56.18 | ward- | Titan8990, what part please? |
| 13:56.51 | Titan8990 | ward-, sorry, meant to say the *may* have a preferred platform |
| 13:56.52 | ward- | i read most of the docs that are not for devs |
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| 13:57.03 | ward- | Titan8990, ah no, they have a tutorial on debian 4.0 |
| 13:57.13 | ward- | Titan8990, also a vmware image for lenny |
| 13:57.17 | ward- | with everything setup etc |
| 13:57.23 | ward- | but that download link is dead..... |
| 13:57.39 | ward- | they seem to try pretty hard to kill their own project |
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| 13:58.48 | Titan8990 | some projects just lose momentum |
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| 13:58.58 | Titan8990 | developers slowly quit |
| 13:59.06 | fronix | Hello, im getting boot errors abuot my harddisk something but i dont know what log: http://pastebin.org/18320 |
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| 13:59.25 | ward- | no the devs are pretty active |
| 13:59.36 | OpenTokix | fronix: Do you have more then one harddrive? |
| 13:59.37 | ward- | just NO documentation about how to get it working preperly |
| 13:59.40 | justin | fronix: looks like it is time for a new hard drive... |
| 13:59.48 | fronix | no only one |
| 13:59.51 | OpenTokix | it might also be the cd-rom |
| 13:59.56 | ward- | and the tutorial someone else wrote doesnt seem to work either |
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| 14:00.11 | ward- | well it only worked for all the other peopel that tried it i guess |
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| 14:00.14 | ward- | going from the comments |
| 14:00.45 | robin_sz | sigh ... youd think a stock debain package woudl actually write to /var/log/<pkg> :( |
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| 14:03.02 | ward- | seriously??? OMG |
| 14:03.13 | ward- | it only works when you actually cd into the dir and then do ./red5.sh |
| 14:03.23 | ward- | thats soooooo stupid lol |
| 14:03.33 | brimstone | anyone else notice you can't debootstrap sid as of last night? |
| 14:03.48 | fronix | would it help to just reinstall linux or is the hdd just dead? |
| 14:04.44 | justin | fronix: depends how dead the HD is |
| 14:04.53 | ward- | thanx for the help guys! |
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| 14:04.57 | ward- | c u later |
| 14:05.01 | justin | fronix: if only some of the sectors are bad you could reformat and have it do a badblocks scan |
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| 14:06.20 | fronix | Ok well my friend will do a hdd test with Hirens boot cd and see if there is some major errors |
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| 14:06.57 | niklaswe | hello, i have change to testing now.. i did an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.. now when i running apt-get.. i will auto-remove gnome.. any ide how i will fix it? |
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| 14:08.07 | Dominicus_ | I'm trying to install Debian AMD64 using the netinst CD iso. Part way through the graphical install, the installer tries to mount the cd-rom, but it cannot. dmesg on vt4 reports "ide: failed opcode was: unknown", "hda: drive not ready for command", "cdrom-detect: CD-ROM mount failed: device=/dev/hda". Does anyone know what I have to do to make the kernel recognize my HP Optical Drive (It's... |
| 14:08.09 | Dominicus_ | ...connected via IDE)? |
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| 14:10.49 | McManiaC | hey, how can i list all files of a packet with apt/aptitude? |
| 14:11.12 | abrotman | McManiaC: is the package installed ? |
| 14:11.17 | McManiaC | yes |
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| 14:11.39 | chellomere | McManiaC, dpkg -L pkgname |
| 14:11.44 | abrotman | McManiaC: dpkg -L package .. or /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 14:11.58 | McManiaC | ok |
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| 14:12.13 | Shockcore | how is it possible to install an "testing" package again? |
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| 14:12.23 | abrotman | Shockcore: on what? |
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| 14:12.26 | abrotman | !tell Shockcore about ssb |
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| 14:13.20 | Shockcore | python-imdbpy |
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| 14:14.21 | mmu_screen | plop |
| 14:14.49 | Shockcore | 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. |
| 14:14.59 | mmu_screen | hmm I've been asked about /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules on upgrade on 5.0... should I remove or keep it ?? |
| 14:15.05 | mmu_screen | seems it was removed before |
| 14:15.06 | Shockcore | can u give an example of that |
| 14:15.17 | mmu_screen | (that's on some OVH server) |
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| 14:15.50 | abrotman | Shockcore: man sources.list |
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| 14:20.44 | Shockcore | deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian squeeze python-imdbpy |
| 14:20.47 | Shockcore | like that? |
| 14:21.03 | junix | is there a way to increase logging of ALL system functions on linux? i'm using syslog-ng but if i have to change...so be it. |
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| 14:21.20 | catsup | heh |
| 14:21.28 | abrotman | Shockcore: you probably want main, not python-imdbpy |
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| 14:21.42 | catsup | junix: it doesn't work like that, syslog just accepts messages from other programs, and routes them |
| 14:21.50 | junix | ok |
| 14:21.50 | Shockcore | abrotman i dont want to use sqeeze, i just want a single package from it |
| 14:22.14 | junix | catsup: i had some users that got deleted...i didn't do it. |
| 14:22.18 | catsup | junix: there are various mechanisms for monitoring and logging system functionality itself... |
| 14:22.24 | junix | ok |
| 14:22.33 | fronix | I just removed some logs and stuff from my server and now when i reboot i dont get any errors from the hdd or does linux hide those errors in some way? |
| 14:22.40 | junix | basically i wanna see what users are doing if they are logging in via SSH |
| 14:22.42 | fireba11 | Shockcore: try backports |
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| 14:24.13 | abrotman | Shockcore: i'm aware of that |
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| 14:24.47 | catsup | junix: ttysnoop maybe |
| 14:24.51 | catsup | i've never used it |
| 14:24.58 | Shockcore | ah ok with a deb0src only it wont update all packages |
| 14:25.02 | junix | ok |
| 14:25.07 | junix | thanks! |
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| 14:25.49 | catsup | junix: there is also a pam module that will stream the session to a pipe or something like that. it might be easier to set up. |
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| 14:27.45 | junix | catsup: what should i be looking for? |
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| 14:28.30 | mmu_screen | so anyone about this udev rule ?? |
| 14:29.43 | Dumb0 | why a lot of debian package are still outdated ? an example : squidGuard redirector |
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| 14:30.55 | Dumb0 | squidGuard has reached the version : 1.4 and Debian still got 1.2 version :S |
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| 14:31.57 | petemc | Dumb0: debian stable doesnt get new packages, just security updates |
| 14:32.04 | ONE_PATE_ | test |
| 14:32.12 | petemc | !tell Dumb0 about stable |
| 14:32.35 | Dumb0 | thx but squidGuard 1.2 is too old |
| 14:32.41 | Dumb0 | event since years |
| 14:32.47 | petemc | Dumb0: you can look for backports |
| 14:32.53 | petemc | or use something other than debian |
| 14:33.32 | junix | catsup: is there something specific i should be looking for? |
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| 14:33.55 | Dumb0 | petemc, you want me to leave debian community ?:P |
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| 14:34.20 | petemc | Dumb0: i dont particularly care, im just telling you how debian stable works |
| 14:34.27 | pif | hi, how can I run two X servers on different dispaly ports? |
| 14:34.32 | babilen | hi all. how can i list all packages installed from, say, sid? |
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| 14:34.55 | pif | in other words, how does an X server "know" on what port to display? |
| 14:35.09 | rex | hi all |
| 14:35.22 | Dumb0 | petemc, no you have to be very careful because you cause some people to leave debian :) but thank you anyway |
| 14:35.24 | sphenxes | How can I check an encrypted file (ext , cryptsetup, debian) for corrupted blocks? |
| 14:35.51 | rex | I don't know what I'm doing wrong but if I put a custom script on /etc/rc.local it refuse to start, any hints? |
| 14:36.20 | petemc | Dumb0: i think i already covered that |
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| 14:37.26 | jamesstanley | my system load is 4, but top says my cpu is 99% idle |
| 14:37.34 | jamesstanley | anyone know what's up with that? |
| 14:37.50 | jamesstanley | yesterday i had a high load with 99%wa, and that was fixed by restarting hald |
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| 14:38.19 | Dumb0 | petemc, I just wanna say that you are not alone to make judging.. especially when you purpose to someone to leave debian's project.. but it's Ok it was just an opinion |
| 14:38.29 | petemc | jamesstanley: load is more often a result of waiting for disk |
| 14:38.46 | jamesstanley | i have 0.0%wa today, though |
| 14:39.00 | jamesstanley | and my disks aren't thrashing |
| 14:39.00 | petemc | jamesstanley: ps aux|grep D |
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| 14:39.48 | catsup | jamesstanley: load average refers to the number of processes running, not their cpu utilization |
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| 14:40.00 | jamesstanley | petemc: there are a lot of hald-* processes waiting on disk |
| 14:40.08 | jamesstanley | catsup: shouldn't their be a high %wa in top though? |
| 14:40.12 | petemc | so theres your problem |
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| 14:40.24 | catsup | doesn't seem like a problem to me |
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| 14:40.51 | petemc | Dumb0: i, personally, dont care whether you use debian or not, i dont represent debian tho, so dont read too much into that |
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| 14:41.12 | jamesstanley | call me old-fashioned, but it seems like a problem to me if hald processes are causing my load to go really high when my computer is doing nothing |
| 14:41.21 | jamesstanley | also, the hald processes can not be killed |
| 14:41.24 | jamesstanley | not even with -9 |
| 14:41.32 | petemc | processes in D state cant be |
| 14:41.37 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 14:41.50 | jamesstanley | wait does D mean Disk or Dead? |
| 14:41.57 | petemc | waiting for disj |
| 14:41.58 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 14:42.05 | Dumb0 | petemc, ok I said it's finish too.. and sorry for disturbing |
| 14:42.07 | jamesstanley | so does this mean my disk is dying or what? |
| 14:42.27 | jamesstanley | why is hal even trying to read anything from my disk? i haven't plugged in or out any disks at all |
| 14:43.06 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 14:43.07 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 14:43.23 | jamesstanley | i thought it was waiting for disk |
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| 14:43.28 | jamesstanley | shouldn't it be Z state if it's zombified? |
| 14:44.05 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.08 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.09 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.17 | jamesstanley | ok |
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| 14:46.25 | jamesstanley | i've removed hal and i'm going to reboot and hopefully it won't come back |
| 14:46.28 | jamesstanley | thanks guys |
| 14:46.34 | petemc | that wasnt a great idea |
| 14:46.39 | willmore | Can anyone give me a 'how hard is it to build custom kernels in debian?' opinion. Say, on a scale of 1-10? |
| 14:46.39 | petemc | oh well |
| 14:46.55 | petemc | willmore: it relative to previous experience |
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| 14:46.59 | petemc | but its not hard at all |
| 14:47.03 | Dominicus_ | So, I still have this Liteon iHAP422 9 atapi (IDE) optical drive. My debian 5.03 amd64 netinst md5sum is good against the iso, and the image was burned and verified to cd-rw. I'm able to start the graphical installer, but dmesg reports an IRQ timeout of BUSY, then failed opcodes of UNKNOWN, and status errors and then doesn't want to mount the media. Then other "attempt to access beyond end... |
| 14:47.05 | Dominicus_ | ...of device" and "isofs_fill_super" issues. Can anyone reommend a solution to this? |
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| 14:47.25 | babilen | is there a way to list all installed packages from a given release? |
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| 14:47.39 | willmore | petemc, I can rebuild kernels. I'm *in* the kernel. :) I just wondered how hard the *debian* way to do it was. :) For example, I find the Fedora/Redhat way of doing it painful and unnatural. |
| 14:47.43 | abrotman | !tell babilen about which repo |
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| 14:48.24 | petemc | !tell willmore about kp mantra |
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| 14:48.58 | willmore | Dominicus_, If you want to rule the disc out as the culprit, try to run Kprobe2 on it on a windows box. |
| 14:49.02 | willmore | petemc, thanks for the lead. |
| 14:49.20 | phorce1 | Let's try this again now that I (and others) are more awake --- multiline question coming up |
| 14:49.26 | phorce1 | in debian, postfix runs as the postfix user, correct? |
| 14:49.29 | phorce1 | program alias question --- I'm trying to set up an archive program. I'm getting the following bounce --- : input/output error. Command output: /var/lib/lurker/db: Permission denied |
| 14:49.36 | phorce1 | the file is root:lurker rw-rw-r-- --- the postfix user is a member of the lurker group. ideas? |
| 14:49.45 | babilen | abrotman: thanks! that one liner is what is was after |
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| 14:50.08 | willmore | phorce1, what are the perms on the *directory* that file is in. |
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| 14:50.14 | maxagaz | hi |
| 14:50.18 | jamesstanley | well hal has gone and now my load is fine |
| 14:50.21 | jamesstanley | so i'm happy now :) |
| 14:50.41 | maxagaz | what is the quickest way to remove the line X of a text file ? |
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| 14:50.58 | syslq | Does aptitude has a build dep equivalent? |
| 14:51.10 | jamesstanley | maxagaz: quickest way to do it once? use a text editor |
| 14:51.22 | jamesstanley | unless you already know how to do it with some tool |
| 14:51.48 | willmore | maxagaz, jamesstanley, if you have to do it more than once or want to automate it, that's a one liner in AWK. |
| 14:51.54 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 14:51.55 | phorce1 | willmore: drwxrwsr-x 2 root lurker |
| 14:52.07 | willmore | phorce1, darn, that looks right. |
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| 14:52.28 | willmore | phorce1, su as that user and try it by hand. :) |
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| 14:52.47 | willmore | phorce1, Sometime that gives you the right context to make sense of the problem. |
| 14:53.02 | braunkraut | please don't shoot me if this is a frequent topic. I've searched but my google foo may not be strong enough. Is there a migration path for an existing 32bit lenny installation to 64bit? |
| 14:53.28 | willmore | braunkraut, if there is, debian will be the first distro to do that easily. |
| 14:53.48 | phorce1 | That's the fascinating thing -- I can't seem to su postfix --- I've never had to su to system entities often, do I need to change it to have a valid shell in /etc/passwd before I can su to it? |
| 14:53.58 | willmore | Having done it on Fedora, I can say "take off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure." |
| 14:54.09 | willmore | phorce1, yes. |
| 14:54.18 | the-dude | phorce1: su -s |
| 14:54.38 | willmore | phorce1, well, if you "su -" the user, then it'll use their shell. If you just "su" the user, then it'll use yours--IIRC. |
| 14:54.53 | maxagaz | jamesstanley, willmore, i often have to do it, i'd like to do it without having to open the files |
| 14:55.26 | willmore | maxagaz, go do a quick tutorial on AWK. You'll quickly how easy the task is with the right tool. |
| 14:55.36 | phorce1 | willmore: I tried both --- lemme try -s (thanks the-dude ) |
| 14:55.40 | willmore | maxagaz, and, maybe learn to love awk. :) |
| 14:56.07 | braunkraut | willmore: that's what I figured, frankly, and frankly I'm too lazy to do it the right way :). Guess I'll wait 'til I get my new laptop. |
| 14:56.20 | maxagaz | willmore, thanks for this advice |
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| 14:57.01 | willmore | braunkraut, hey, I could be wrong. There might be some easy way to do it, but I have the feeling the answer is "x86_64 is a completely different arch and there's no way to go from arch to arch. it'd be like moving a machine from x86 to SPARC." |
| 14:57.13 | willmore | maxagaz, it's worth what you paid for it. :) |
| 14:57.17 | willmore | BBL.... |
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| 14:58.09 | pobega | This may be a stupid question, but it's a question none the less...how do I search for two criteria with aptitude? I want to search something like `perl+atom`, instead of using `aptitude search perl | grep atom`. |
| 14:58.39 | the-dude | pobega: apt-cache search bla1 bla2 |
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| 15:00.26 | willmore | pobega, I think it's a normal regex. google regex. |
| 15:00.40 | willmore | Or listen to the-dude. :) |
| 15:00.42 | abrotman | you can use two terms with aptitude search |
| 15:01.00 | mhymn | after runing a successful safe-upgrade, aptitude outputs: Current status: 0 updates [-118]. what does the number in brackets mean? |
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| 15:01.45 | abrotman | but what you probably want is to search the descrpitions instead like aptitude search "~dfoo ~dbar" ... i think |
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| 15:02.40 | \amethyst | mhymn: the change in the number of updates |
| 15:02.55 | \amethyst | mhymn: there were 118 updates before you upgraded, now there are zero |
| 15:03.15 | mhymn | \amethyst: great, thanks. |
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| 15:04.56 | BleSS | is safe/sure to use ext4? |
| 15:04.59 | snikker | hi, i'm tring to compile dropbear for embedded system, but i've got this error: http://pastebin.com/d1bbdff3c can you help me? |
| 15:05.06 | pobega | abrotman: It'd be ~dfoo~dbar, yeah, but I want to search titles. Considering I'm searching for libraries most of the time. |
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| 15:05.36 | chellomere | !ext4 |
| 15:05.37 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Adds features such as support for volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy. http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:05.48 | nyk2005 | Does someone know a program to classify short (2sec) audio samples (of enviromental sounds)? |
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| 15:06.15 | linXea | hi all... Im about to compile the new kernel 2.6.31... First time now that I have a multicore processor.. Do I need to select anything different than usual... I remember something about export_currancy=2 or something... Might be totally lost |
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| 15:06.55 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.06 | linXea | thats the one =) |
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| 15:07.47 | linXea | is that just for multiprocessor or for multicore as well ? |
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| 15:11.08 | dkay | hello, can someone tell me where debian logs bad logins? didnt found anything. no valid and no invalid ones! it has to be in messages or auth.log or? |
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| 15:11.20 | ajavid | dkay, /var/log/auth |
| 15:11.40 | ajavid | something |
| 15:11.47 | dkay | there is an auth.log |
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| 15:12.01 | dkay | there is not only one entry xD |
| 15:12.05 | ward- | pfffff |
| 15:12.12 | dkay | maybe touch auth should do the trick? |
| 15:12.18 | ajavid | no |
| 15:12.22 | ward- | now i can only see the red5 default page, any dir behind it does not work |
| 15:12.43 | ward- | so i cannot install openmeetings because i cant open its installation in my browser :( |
| 15:12.46 | ward- | any suggestions? |
| 15:13.14 | ajavid | dkay, /var/log/auth.log |
| 15:13.21 | dkay | command, last, lastb, lastlog, all of them are working. but what to do to log logins in auth? |
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| 15:13.27 | dkay | ajavid, i got this auth.log file |
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| 15:13.41 | dkay | but there is not only one entry oO |
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| 15:14.28 | ajavid | dkay, what do you mean |
| 15:14.48 | azeem | !hi |
| 15:14.49 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
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| 15:14.53 | Kovensky | uh, nice |
| 15:15.06 | dkay | erm, i mean there is not only one entry in auth.log. no invalid and no valid. |
| 15:15.07 | ajavid | dkay, you maybe seeing many auth.log.1 .gz something is that what you are asking about |
| 15:15.14 | dkay | no |
| 15:15.23 | Kovensky | live-snapshot -t squashfs is buggy and every time it is run the live-sn gets one more folder entry |
| 15:15.26 | Kovensky | etc/ |
| 15:15.27 | Kovensky | etc_1/ |
| 15:15.28 | dkay | there is only one auth.log :) with absolutley 0kb |
| 15:15.28 | ajavid | 'not only one' |
| 15:15.29 | dkay | :) |
| 15:15.29 | Kovensky | etc_1_1/ |
| 15:15.31 | Kovensky | etc |
| 15:15.31 | ajavid | oh |
| 15:15.41 | Kovensky | live-snapshot -t cpio complains about "too many files" |
| 15:15.42 | Kovensky | D: |
| 15:15.42 | ajavid | ohhh, not a single entry |
| 15:15.47 | ajavid | that sucks. |
| 15:15.57 | dkay | there is abslutley nothing in it |
| 15:16.01 | dkay | this file is empty |
| 15:16.03 | dkay | Oo |
| 15:16.19 | ajavid | I don't know what to do, sorry. |
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| 15:16.53 | ward- | so i cannot open http://127.0.0.1:5080/openmeetings/install , i get refused connection then, only http://127.0.0.1:5080/ gets served |
| 15:16.53 | dkay | i havent had that problem before. i was spammed about bad logins before |
| 15:16.56 | ward- | by red5 |
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| 15:17.04 | dkay | and now? emtpies file :) |
| 15:17.31 | ajavid | I'm wondering, if should leave the original config in here, just comment it out, or let this be overridable with command line args |
| 15:17.32 | dkay | i believe it isnt good ! |
| 15:17.49 | Shockcore | when doing updates likle lenny -> sqeeze is it recommanded to copy /etc/skel to /root |
| 15:17.56 | Shockcore | to have latest scripts |
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| 15:18.38 | ajavid | def read_command_line(): global log_file try: optlist, args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:], "", ["host=", "port=", "path=", "log=", "background"]) <--> these settings should be left in for commandline options, or should I comment it out in fakemail.py? |
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| 15:18.42 | phorce1 | willmore: well, this sucks. It works fine when su postfix and importing a mail message that is -rw-rw-r-- 1 root lurker |
| 15:19.12 | ajavid | I am making it read from /etc/fakemail.conf (to debinify it, and add a config file to use for settings rather than only command line args |
| 15:19.29 | ajavid | so that I can keep the init script for this package clean as possible |
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| 15:19.45 | ajavid | has never done a package like this :D |
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| 15:20.24 | ajavid | something involving a init script which is a system service |
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| 15:20.31 | gypsymauro | why my mail command doesn't works ? I'm on a debian linux client but trying to send to a mail with mail -s myemail@domain.org doesn't tells me nothing and no mail sent.. how are they managed? |
| 15:20.34 | dkay | dont know how to log the logins in auth.log and is worried about that :( |
| 15:21.08 | dkay | wants to do a script with an grep command to send bad logins to an email -.- |
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| 15:22.26 | ajavid | I think I'll comment out the read_command_line, remake the method, read from the conf, and just return host, port, path, background, that way the rest of the smtpd can read it (currently is returns these based on sys.argv[1] |
| 15:22.35 | ajavid | yah, I think that would work |
| 15:22.38 | dkay | goes to ask google for that problem xD |
| 15:22.49 | ajavid | tries not to go #python even though hes there |
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| 15:23.21 | ajavid | I wonder if there special policy guidelines or some such concerning the packaging of something like a mail server (even a 'fake' one ) |
| 15:23.29 | gypsymauro | uh : mail -v .... R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
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| 15:23.57 | cagonto | online boxing game http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html |
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| 15:24.51 | ajavid | actually I think it needs a little more work, the become_daemon: method is a bit uhm... weird |
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| 15:25.13 | ward- | so i cannot install openmeetings because i cant open its installation in my browser :( |
| 15:25.17 | ward- | so i cannot open http://127.0.0.1:5080/openmeetings/install , i get refused connection then, only http://127.0.0.1:5080/ gets served |
| 15:25.22 | ward- | by red5 |
| 15:25.24 | ajavid | opemeetings? |
| 15:25.30 | ajavid | web app I guess |
| 15:25.40 | ajavid | never heard of it, I check it out |
| 15:25.43 | ward- | yeah it uses red5 |
| 15:25.46 | ward- | its nice |
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| 15:25.50 | ward- | you can try it online too |
| 15:26.13 | abrotman | ward-: you should probably ask them ? |
| 15:26.37 | ward- | only a mailinglist that i can find |
| 15:26.48 | ward- | abrotman, |
| 15:27.03 | ward- | is it too offtopic for here? |
| 15:27.05 | abrotman | heh .. there's a #openmeeting-es |
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| 15:27.18 | ward- | lol ffs |
| 15:27.18 | abrotman | oh .. openmeetings-es |
| 15:27.21 | ajavid | hehe |
| 15:27.25 | ajavid | es, beautiful |
| 15:27.27 | abrotman | wonder if it's the same ? |
| 15:27.35 | ajavid | ward-, you must take spanish in school! |
| 15:27.41 | Jemt | How can I see what graphics adapter I've got? "lspci | grep -i vga" gives me this: "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY". That's not sufficient though. I need to know what radeon chip it's based on |
| 15:27.45 | ajavid | then come back to get support ;) |
| 15:27.56 | JBeshir | Hey. So, is there some standard solution to "Debian Squeeze uninstalled my nVidia packages when upgrading Xorg and now I want them back"? |
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| 15:28.09 | ajavid | Jemt, use 'radeon' |
| 15:28.12 | abrotman | Jemt: that's what it has .. lspci -nn | grep -i VGA .. it will give you the PCIID if it's easier |
| 15:28.27 | ward- | abrotman, thanx, its openmeetingS-es though :p |
| 15:28.32 | abrotman | i said that |
| 15:28.33 | ward- | ill ask the guy there lol |
| 15:28.37 | Jemt | ajavid: I don't want to use the open source driver. I have been using it for 3 years now, and my laptop freezes 10 times a week |
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| 15:28.39 | ward- | nu you said without s :p |
| 15:28.41 | ward- | openmeeting |
| 15:28.52 | ajavid | I don't support fglrx for 2 years, sorry. Good luck though |
| 15:28.54 | Jemt | abrotman: Thanks |
| 15:28.57 | abrotman | ward-: i corrected myself .. |
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| 15:29.08 | Jemt | ajavid: Thanks :) |
| 15:29.34 | ward- | abrotman, yeeah but that one missed # :p lo lsorry |
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| 15:32.34 | dsdeiz | hello, how do i know the name of my sound card? |
| 15:32.47 | JPT | try lspci |
| 15:33.01 | JPT | and search for your soundcard |
| 15:33.13 | Pryon | Jemt: support for a lot of older radeon cards was dropped from fglrx last April |
| 15:33.47 | toolz | does this mean I have set hz to 1000? |
| 15:33.48 | Pryon | where support = ability to load the module |
| 15:33.49 | toolz | http://pastebin.com/mce9a973 |
| 15:34.07 | toolz | that when: grep HZ /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:34.14 | JPT | toolz: you have NO_HZ set, so it is being ignored |
| 15:34.17 | JPT | your kernel is tickless |
| 15:34.28 | toolz | damn |
| 15:34.41 | toolz | I need to rebuild and comment no hz? |
| 15:34.53 | toolz | I mean comment no cz and rebuild |
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| 15:35.12 | JPT | hm... you might want to take a look at the help texts about this in the 'make menuconfig' :) |
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| 15:35.35 | JPT | and i just need to make sure that i did not tell you wrong stuff |
| 15:35.39 | JPT | one second.. |
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| 15:36.18 | toolz | tickless system |
| 15:36.21 | toolz | what does it mean exactly? |
| 15:36.26 | toolz | I'm in the menuconfig |
| 15:36.29 | Jemt | Pryon: Thanks for pointing that out - good to know :) |
| 15:36.46 | JPT | mhh... your kernel usually provides every process a certain amount of time |
| 15:37.23 | toolz | and what do you suggest |
| 15:37.23 | ward- | lol im using google translate for openmeetings-es :p |
| 15:37.37 | toolz | enabling tickless or disabling for a smooth and better performance? |
| 15:37.37 | JPT | toolz: depends on what you want to do ;) |
| 15:37.39 | abrotman | toolz: ask #kernel |
| 15:37.47 | toolz | I want better performance |
| 15:37.56 | JPT | mh...server or desktop system? |
| 15:38.04 | JPT | (usually, tickless system is a good choice) |
| 15:38.17 | JPT | i think i should do some benchmarks about it |
| 15:38.24 | abrotman | toolz: if you're unsure about the config options, ask #kernel, this isn't the place for it |
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| 15:38.27 | dsdeiz | uhm, i got this http://pastebin.com/m484db130 i'm not sure where i can determine my card there |
| 15:38.38 | ajavid | silly qustion, I can't remember, do suggests get installed by default |
| 15:38.39 | ajavid | ? |
| 15:38.42 | abrotman | no |
| 15:38.46 | ajavid | ahh, didn't think so |
| 15:39.05 | abrotman | dsdeiz: it's not on the PCI bus |
| 15:39.18 | ajavid | I was looking over reportbug and saw python-urwid interface option, but no python-urwid was insatalled, and upon looking it seems it is a suggested package |
| 15:39.41 | ajavid | I wonder since reprotbug provides this option wether or not the package is installed or not, shouldn't it be a recommended packae |
| 15:40.02 | ajavid | so it installs alongside reprotbug (I mean reportbug tell syou to install it, but I'm just saying) |
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| 15:54.48 | justin | iluminator101: install grub, remove lilo |
| 15:55.49 | linXea | This might be a really stupid question... Im trying to build the latest 2.6.31 kernel but when the point at starting the compilation the KERNEL_IMAGE & KERNEL_HEADERS aren't in /usr/src ... Probably really stupid question.... |
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| 16:04.00 | chops1 | So I have a bridged interface between eth0 and tap0... if I create an eth0:0 alias, is that going to interfere with the bridge (or vice versa)? |
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| 16:04.16 | ward- | thanx for the help |
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| 16:05.00 | ward- | for future reference: NEVER EVER try red5, you will just become frustrated and after wasting half a day, you'll realise that its pure crap and not worth the trouble |
| 16:05.24 | abrotman | but what about the death star? |
| 16:05.27 | ward- | thanx for trying though, i should have gave up faster |
| 16:05.27 | petemc | whats red5 then? |
| 16:05.45 | ward- | petemc, just try to forget the name forever, and avoid it |
| 16:05.50 | ward- | c u later all |
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| 16:06.12 | abrotman | i think we've been had! |
| 16:06.19 | petemc | im intrigued |
| 16:06.24 | \amethyst | wasn't that the big cat thing in final fantasy? |
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| 16:09.29 | ShamwowVideoProf | are debian packages compiled with -fPIC to increase security? |
| 16:09.52 | jogi | i am trying to install debian on a sun blade 100. when i try booting the livecd, the machine freezes at the line "[ 160.880398] console handover: boot [earlyprom0] -> real [tty0]" and shows no more outputs. does anybody know what's wrong here? With the gentoo LiveCD i had to boot the with the option "video=atyfb:off" and a Graphics card is installed (it shows up as "Sun Expert 3D Graphics" at the prom"). |
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| 16:10.11 | Titan8990 | ShamwowVideoProf, are those supposed to be make options? |
| 16:10.17 | ShamwowVideoProf | CFLAGS |
| 16:10.22 | ShamwowVideoProf | compiler flags |
| 16:10.31 | ShamwowVideoProf | to be more precise ;) |
| 16:10.48 | Titan8990 | i haven't seen that CFLAG before, what does it do? |
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| 16:11.23 | ShamwowVideoProf | ill get the official description again |
| 16:12.22 | sandman | To verify that a DVD is still good at a date later than when it was burned, and given one has the proper md5 for what the ISO _should_ be, one might run "dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=foo count=foo conv=notrunc,noerror | md5sum", where foo are values from isoinfo -d -i |
| 16:12.23 | Titan8990 | ShamwowVideoProf, that string is not found in any of the gentoo docs on CFLAGS |
| 16:12.28 | \amethyst | Titan8990: generates position-independent code |
| 16:12.36 | \amethyst | Titan8990: see man gcc |
| 16:12.37 | sandman | And then compare the md5sums |
| 16:12.40 | themill | ShamwowVideoProf: aiui all shared libraries are generated with -fPIC |
| 16:12.48 | sandman | Is this accurate? |
| 16:13.14 | ShamwowVideoProf | aiui? |
| 16:13.55 | ShamwowVideoProf | are all debian packages md5sum checked before they are installed, to increase security? |
| 16:14.07 | ShamwowVideoProf | or sha256 or whatever? |
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| 16:14.28 | zinx | ShamwowVideoProf: yes |
| 16:14.46 | zinx | ShamwowVideoProf: the signature of the package list with the hashes per-package is also checked |
| 16:15.13 | ShamwowVideoProf | do the debian developers edit the actual source code of certain apps to make things more secure? |
| 16:15.19 | jogi | has no one an idea about my problem with the blade 100? |
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| 16:15.43 | chops1 | ShamwowVideoProf: Yes, they do. Where are you going with this? Are you taking a survey? :-) |
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| 16:16.26 | ShamwowVideoProf | Sorry. I am going around linux channel to linux channel trying to find a good development distro that really cracks down on security vulnerabilites. |
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| 16:16.45 | ShamwowVideoProf | I want to develop software.. IN STEALTH! hehe |
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| 16:17.34 | ShamwowVideoProf | i was considering OpenBSD but.... its not linux :( |
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| 16:20.33 | chellomere | ShamwowVideoProf, debian backports security fixes to the current stable, and to some extent to the current testing |
| 16:20.40 | zxd | anyone know a guide of how to create encrypted drives in debian |
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| 16:21.24 | Aque0s | Hi all, I would like to make my own routing distribution.. I want to base it on Debian - how would I go about this? Can I just install debian netinstall in a VM and install all the packages I want, set it all up? And then how would I make an installer? Thanks :) |
| 16:21.36 | ShamwowVideoProf | zxd: im in the same boat as you |
| 16:21.45 | zxd | I've done it before |
| 16:22.02 | ShamwowVideoProf | i want my whole hard drive encrypted and locked down. i want it to ask me for a password for every block of data that gets written to it |
| 16:22.45 | zxd | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
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| 16:25.39 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, why your own? why not contribute to an existing project? |
| 16:25.56 | ShamwowVideoProf | I made my own distro |
| 16:26.11 | ShamwowVideoProf | its built off of linux from scratch but i invented 64 bit LFS before they did |
| 16:26.19 | ShamwowVideoProf | :P in your face LFS! |
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| 16:26.47 | Aque0s | Titan8990: I would like to learn |
| 16:27.23 | Aque0s | Titan8990: nothing fancy, just something I can learn from - then once I am at the stage where I can actually contribute something useful |
| 16:27.29 | Aque0s | Titan8990: then yeah |
| 16:27.49 | Aque0s | Titan8990: or if I think my project is something worth continuing, i can continue working on it |
| 16:28.14 | sandman | Aque0s: I think you may find contributing to an existing project to be more educational. |
| 16:28.38 | Aque0s | ... I would like to start my own. |
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| 16:29.00 | sandman | Aque0s: If you start your own distro, you likely won't have many users, if any. If you were to contribute to, say, Debian, you'd have the power of an educated userbase to help you along. |
| 16:29.12 | sandman | Not to mention a lot of the infrastructure for this sort of development is already there. |
| 16:29.34 | sandman | Aque0s: In that case, I suppose you'd likely want to start with an understanding of dpkg |
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| 16:29.44 | Aque0s | okay |
| 16:29.54 | racecar56 | what package do i install to get debug stuff for konqueror? |
| 16:29.59 | sandman | Then you'd need to mirror the repository for your own purposes, source and everything. |
| 16:30.04 | Aque0s | ill check it out, thanks sandman :) |
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| 16:30.06 | sandman | But I really don't think that's going to do much for you. |
| 16:30.08 | petemc | also, every tom dick and harry talks about trying to start their own distro, they give up soon after they discover how much work/knowledge is required |
| 16:30.23 | sandman | Yes, what petemc said. |
| 16:30.32 | sandman | I think you will quickly discover why Debian exists in the first place. =) |
| 16:30.35 | Aque0s | petemc: I dont want to start an entire distro, just a simple routing build |
| 16:30.46 | Aque0s | let me put it this way |
| 16:30.52 | Aque0s | I want to use debian |
| 16:31.01 | Aque0s | and install my own packages, my own config |
| 16:31.04 | sandman | Aque0s: You don't need a new distro for that. |
| 16:31.06 | Aque0s | write my own php interface |
| 16:31.19 | Aque0s | well - then its my bad for using the wrong terminology, sorry ;) |
| 16:31.21 | racecar56 | what i did on this computer is install lenny then upgrade to sid |
| 16:31.36 | racecar56 | it was slow thanks to my internet |
| 16:31.40 | racecar56 | :P |
| 16:31.45 | sandman | Aque0s: Write your interface, that's all fine and well. Just install a system with debian, then use aptitude to cut out all the fat. |
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| 16:32.01 | sandman | Aque0s: If you _really_ want to go full tilt with the customization, roll your own kernel and so forth. |
| 16:32.21 | sandman | You can also inject packages into the installation using checkinstall or whatever alternative you prefer. |
| 16:32.26 | Aque0s | i was looking at LFS.. but i thought that was a bit excessive... |
| 16:32.48 | sandman | Aque0s: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ <== actually that's a fantastic place to start. |
| 16:32.53 | sandman | Aque0s: LFS can use dpkg |
| 16:32.59 | Aque0s | thank you sandman :) |
| 16:33.06 | Aque0s | wow i love the linux community :P |
| 16:33.07 | Aque0s | <3 |
| 16:33.10 | sandman | I have an LFS system in which I use dpkg |
| 16:33.15 | Aque0s | okay |
| 16:33.18 | sandman | So, you can do that as well. |
| 16:33.34 | sandman | I think you'll discover quickly that dpkg is the best package manager on the planet. |
| 16:33.36 | sandman | By far. |
| 16:33.43 | Aque0s | dpkg... hmm |
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| 16:33.51 | Aque0s | aptitude is just an extension of dpkg right? |
| 16:33.53 | sandman | Well, dpkg, APT, apt-get, aptitude |
| 16:34.13 | sandman | aptitude uses dpkg, yeah. |
| 16:34.18 | Aque0s | isnt apt-get aptitude? lol |
| 16:34.35 | sandman | apt-get, aptitude, dselect, all that stuff uses dpkg |
| 16:34.42 | Aque0s | oh okay |
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| 16:35.13 | Aque0s | :D |
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| 16:37.49 | sandman | And I swear, if I see one more person come in here asking for help with Ubuntu... |
| 16:38.14 | petemc | its fairly inevitable |
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| 16:38.28 | noobWin | Hahaha |
| 16:38.32 | zxd | it's good for debian |
| 16:38.33 | noobWin | but it's .deb? |
| 16:38.35 | zxd | free advertisement |
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| 16:38.41 | zxd | and developers |
| 16:38.44 | zxd | and users |
| 16:38.51 | noobWin | Especially if we respond to them politely |
| 16:38.52 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 16:39.00 | zxd | which motivates developers |
| 16:39.04 | sandman | zxd: Sure. But it's not quite so good when those from the Ubuntu community _almost_ manage to force Debian into a regular release schedule. |
| 16:39.17 | zxd | hehe |
| 16:39.18 | sandman | Or at least, that was my understanding. Which is garbage. |
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| 16:41.18 | Aque0s | sandman: so how would I go about modifying the debian installer to only install my packages / configuration? |
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| 16:42.16 | iluminator101 | So i installed grub, but then xp wouldnt show up on it, so i edited menu, but now debian is not listed on the menu what can i do to get both OS on grub bootup menu? |
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| 16:42.46 | sandman | Aque0s: Well, the package selection you can do already. As for configuration, you could likely just write up some configs that suit your purposes and archive them. |
| 16:43.22 | sandman | Aque0s: But if you actually want to _rewrite_ it for these purposes, I think the package you're looking for is just simply debian-installer |
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| 16:44.00 | ShamwowVideoProf | do the amd64 daily build work yet? |
| 16:44.09 | ShamwowVideoProf | for the last 6 months, they've been broken |
| 16:44.10 | racecar56 | what package do i install to get debug stuff for konqueror? |
| 16:44.14 | Aque0s | ah cool |
| 16:44.27 | nsadmin | iluminator101: "i edited menu" is not specific enough, tell them exactly what you did and pastebin the menu.lst |
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| 16:44.53 | sandman | racecar56: apt-cache search could likely help you |
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| 16:45.34 | ShamwowVideoProf | hello? |
| 16:45.42 | racecar56 | sandman: i found kdenetwork-dbg, i guess that's it |
| 16:45.53 | ShamwowVideoProf | thats... no |
| 16:46.00 | ShamwowVideoProf | i dont THINK so |
| 16:46.20 | ShamwowVideoProf | just run konquerer in gdb and boom. thats the debug version :P |
| 16:46.33 | nsadmin | no it isn't |
| 16:46.38 | ShamwowVideoProf | hahaha |
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| 16:46.50 | nsadmin | unless konq is built with -g |
| 16:46.56 | ShamwowVideoProf | ok i got an idea |
| 16:47.06 | sandman | Yes. Would need debugging symbols built in, yes? |
| 16:47.27 | ShamwowVideoProf | racecar56: build konquerer with these flags: -O0 -g3 |
| 16:47.30 | nsadmin | you can run it in gdb without, but you wouldn't get the names |
| 16:48.06 | sandman | racecar56: I'm actually not sure on the konq bit |
| 16:48.14 | sandman | racecar56: I don't actually use konq. |
| 16:48.19 | ShamwowVideoProf | konq sucks |
| 16:48.23 | ShamwowVideoProf | firefox FTW! |
| 16:48.27 | ShamwowVideoProf | with official branding |
| 16:48.28 | racecar56 | firefox 3.5 fails |
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| 16:48.33 | racecar56 | it's glitchy for me |
| 16:48.34 | ShamwowVideoProf | no its awesome |
| 16:48.43 | racecar56 | it's horribly glitchy here |
| 16:48.45 | ShamwowVideoProf | --enable-official-branding and its awesome |
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| 16:48.55 | racecar56 | -_- |
| 16:49.02 | ShamwowVideoProf | oh no! i broke a license!! ah! |
| 16:49.05 | racecar56 | i meant the actual firefox from mozilla |
| 16:49.11 | racecar56 | 3.5 |
| 16:49.14 | racecar56 | it's glitchy for me |
| 16:49.20 | ShamwowVideoProf | then fix it |
| 16:49.24 | sandman | Why do I feel like this dialogue is going nowhere? |
| 16:49.25 | ShamwowVideoProf | edit the source code |
| 16:49.32 | racecar56 | i don't know c++ lol |
| 16:49.41 | ShamwowVideoProf | then you really shouldn't complain |
| 16:49.47 | themill | ShamwowVideoProf: are you actually here to talk about debian user support or just to ramble on about nothing in particular? |
| 16:49.52 | abrotman | ShamwowVideoProf: do you have a debian related question ? |
| 16:50.04 | racecar56 | iceweasel (unbranded 3.0) works better than firefox 3.5 |
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| 16:50.06 | racecar56 | for me |
| 16:50.07 | ShamwowVideoProf | yes |
| 16:50.13 | sandman | racecar56: Good call. |
| 16:50.14 | ShamwowVideoProf | do the amd64 daily builds work yet? |
| 16:50.19 | racecar56 | even though i'm on sid, iceweasel is -very- stable |
| 16:50.27 | racecar56 | seriously |
| 16:50.29 | ShamwowVideoProf | for the last 6 months, i cant install debian |
| 16:50.30 | abrotman | ShamwowVideoProf: try them and see .. a sane person would use the lenny installer though |
| 16:50.37 | ShamwowVideoProf | but i want ext4 |
| 16:50.41 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 16:50.42 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 16:50.43 | abrotman | have fun |
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| 16:50.52 | dkr | I had to install the useragent switcher plugin because timewarnercable.com didn't recognize iceweasel as either firefox-2.0+ or mozilla-2.0+ |
| 16:51.03 | ajavid | you needn't done that |
| 16:51.15 | ajavid | about:config (search for useragent) change Iceweael to Firefox |
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| 16:51.24 | ajavid | leave the rest of the string alone. |
| 16:51.25 | racecar56 | libqt4-dbg is 105MB -_- |
| 16:51.26 | ShamwowVideoProf | does the new lenny 5.0.3 have ext4 support for install? |
| 16:51.29 | racecar56 | that will take forever |
| 16:51.33 | abrotman | or ignore me .. good plan |
| 16:51.45 | ajavid | ShamwowVideoProf, no, grub doesn't support ext4 |
| 16:51.56 | ShamwowVideoProf | i make my own bootloaders |
| 16:51.58 | dkr | ajavid: ah, well, now I just have a simple menu option. will be easier next time I need to switch it. :) |
| 16:52.12 | ShamwowVideoProf | im asking if i can install debian to an ext4 partition via install screen |
| 16:52.15 | ajavid | ShamwowVideoProf, lenny is grub legacy, and ext3, it can have ext4 suport with kmuto and .30 backported kernel, consult the above factoid |
| 16:52.20 | sandman | So has Debian seriously adopted a regular release schedule? |
| 16:52.48 | ajavid | ShamwowVideoProf, but.. you can't boot with grub legacy and ext4 |
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| 16:53.08 | ShamwowVideoProf | but i develop my own boot loader |
| 16:53.10 | ShamwowVideoProf | so its cool |
| 16:53.11 | dkr | someone said earlier it's not finalized yet despite all the press |
| 16:53.15 | dkr | sandman: ^^ |
| 16:53.37 | abrotman | i already gave him the answer .. he ignored it |
| 16:53.40 | ajavid | I know |
| 16:53.45 | ShamwowVideoProf | no i remberbed the answer |
| 16:53.45 | ajavid | I tried, I'm stopping. |
| 16:53.46 | unomi | after running dosbox I lost control over my mouse |
| 16:53.52 | ShamwowVideoProf | i remembered it |
| 16:53.54 | sandman | dkr: I hope it doesn't go through. |
| 16:53.59 | ShamwowVideoProf | i memorized inside and backwards |
| 16:54.00 | unomi | the cursor is there, but unresponsive to mouse movements |
| 16:54.36 | ajavid | unomi, does closing/killing the dosbox process free up the mouse" |
| 16:55.04 | dkr | run another app that grabs the pointer and maybe it will call XUngrabPointer properly? |
| 16:55.10 | unomi | nope, thats what I did to get out of it in the first place |
| 16:55.10 | ajavid | unomi, is this on stable? (doesn't happen to me and amd64) is your hardware ok? |
| 16:55.39 | unomi | could be what happened.. had a dosgame i couldn't figure out how to exit, went to console and killed the dosbox process |
| 16:55.57 | ajavid | unomi, ok, is it a usb mouse? |
| 16:56.06 | dkr | ah, yeah, so no ungrab call. try running some fulslcreen app like an image viewing program qiv, or mplayer |
| 16:56.18 | unomi | yup, tried replugging it already |
| 16:56.18 | ajavid | unomi, take it out and plug it in again, see if that restarts the mouse, watch dmesg |
| 16:56.23 | ajavid | hmm. |
| 16:56.33 | ajavid | unomi, ahh boy, restart X (I don't know) |
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| 16:56.54 | unomi | yeah |
| 16:57.05 | ajavid | actually |
| 16:57.06 | ajavid | hang on |
| 16:57.11 | unomi | yup? |
| 16:57.17 | ajavid | unomi, install gpm, test on console. |
| 16:57.24 | ajavid | before you restart x |
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| 16:57.44 | anao | Hello @ ALL need hurry help, how must i config xdm that echo stars can be shown at passowrd login field? |
| 16:58.07 | anao | I have set it at our classroom.. |
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| 16:58.40 | LjL | it would appear that, on testing, i cannot (or no longer) use the rt2500pci driver, as the system insists usig rt2500 instead; however, i get horrible wifi performance with that. it started after a dist-upgrade i had postponed for quite long. |
| 16:58.41 | SlayerXP | anao: please take a ticket and then a seat. your current queue position is 18, we estimate to deal with your enquiry within..... 3 days. |
| 16:58.47 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:58.54 | unomi | gpm works in console |
| 16:59.03 | abrotman | anao: did you look at the xdm config file ? |
| 16:59.11 | ajavid | unomi, ok. then.. uh |
| 16:59.16 | ajavid | anyone? |
| 16:59.32 | ajavid | restart X? heh. |
| 16:59.36 | unomi | :p |
| 16:59.53 | unomi | I don't even remember most of what I have open |
| 16:59.55 | anao | ok Slayer i have searched a long time on net last weeks and tried to connect the xdm performer but no feedback |
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| 17:00.15 | \amethyst | anao: don't know about xdm, but gdm displays bullets for password characters |
| 17:00.32 | anao | i have found no help at yahoo+google with "xdm echo password" |
| 17:00.58 | cantoma | hey guys i am using a 64 bit machine. I was using flashpluging for iceweasel. Now i uninstall it and decide to install the 64 bit version manually. I have this error after trying to open a flash webpage -> http://pastebin.com/m276cfe4f. Can someone help |
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| 17:01.21 | tzanger | good afternoon everyone |
| 17:01.35 | anao | yes i used gdm last times but i created a school-special-xdm login without any possibility to make changes for the pupils.. |
| 17:01.35 | sandman | cantoma: Looks like that's the 32-bit plug |
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| 17:01.47 | ajavid | cantoma, next time don't put a period/dot after an uri (can't double click) |
| 17:01.48 | tzanger | Is there anything special involved in using the 5.0.3 dvd 1 to install debian to a software raid1/lvm setup? |
| 17:01.49 | ajavid | :) |
| 17:01.56 | tzanger | i.e. root/boot on lvm on linux md |
| 17:02.06 | ajavid | cantoma, you downloaded manualy the 32bit version |
| 17:02.07 | cantoma | sandman, so the one that i download is 32 or 64? |
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| 17:02.17 | cantoma | maybe thats the problem |
| 17:02.23 | cantoma | i was quite shore it was 64 |
| 17:02.27 | anao | i hoped that anyone knows customize xdm cause its very fast with icewm at our very old school pcs |
| 17:02.30 | ajavid | that is the problem. elf class is 32 |
| 17:02.33 | sandman | cantoma: Well, it _looks_ like the one that spawned that error is 32-bit. |
| 17:02.34 | ajavid | it should be 64 |
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| 17:02.39 | sandman | Notice "ELFCLASS32" error in it? |
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| 17:02.50 | themill | anao: I don't think anyone understands what you're trying to do |
| 17:02.51 | sandman | I'm not sure, but... that just makes me think it's a 32-bit ELF binary. |
| 17:02.54 | ajavid | replace your flash with 64bit one, the flash 10 is current, always |
| 17:03.07 | ajavid | why replace it manually and go through the headaches |
| 17:03.11 | ajavid | huh? |
| 17:03.15 | sandman | Who? |
| 17:03.16 | anao | wdm has a big bug after logout the pupils must restart X always cause wdm does not accept relogin |
| 17:03.17 | sandman | lol |
| 17:03.25 | ajavid | the questioner ! :) |
| 17:03.32 | sandman | o lawd |
| 17:03.34 | sandman | k bbl |
| 17:03.38 | clusty | got a small problem about nfs performance. i recently configured homes on new machines on NFS mounts. thing is that write performance stinks. 1 single compile task on some node loads up the hdd to 95+% |
| 17:03.42 | anao | wdm hangs at every logout by default setup Lenny with icewm.. |
| 17:03.52 | clusty | are there some options i shoul dbe using? |
| 17:04.05 | ajavid | cantoma, the flashplugin-nonfree DOWNLOADS the latest version from adobe directly |
| 17:04.05 | anao | need small login manager.. |
| 17:04.18 | clusty | so far i have: rw,sync,no_subtree_check |
| 17:04.26 | ajavid | cantoma, it is current, even in lenny (flash that is) WHY are you trying to manually install flash? |
| 17:04.31 | anao | thanks to all for help..my brain i cooking...:-) |
| 17:04.32 | themill | anao: what is xdm doing currently and how do you want to change it? |
| 17:04.33 | dutchfish | clusty what debian version and what version of nfs-kernelserver? |
| 17:04.33 | abrotman | anao: slim ? |
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| 17:04.39 | cantoma | ajavid, it works now .. i did download the 32 version |
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| 17:04.57 | cantoma | it was confusing in the flash page |
| 17:04.59 | ajavid | cantoma, the amd64 flashplugin-nonfree will get the latest 64bit flash plugin from adobe |
| 17:05.11 | ajavid | it is easily isntalled via apt, why do it manually? Ijust wanna know :) |
| 17:05.43 | ajavid | it automates what you did manually, so why do it manually... is my question |
| 17:05.55 | \amethyst | http://s-z.org/neil/progs/sinecat |
| 17:05.55 | cantoma | ajavid, it was freezing many times |
| 17:05.57 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:06.00 | \amethyst | wrong channel |
| 17:06.00 | anao | hello themill i use default xdm and if the user enter his name and after the username is entered no bullet is shown as password sign |
| 17:06.17 | ajavid | cantoma, do you by any chance have the debian multimedia repository enabled? |
| 17:06.25 | cantoma | ajavid, yes i do |
| 17:06.31 | anao | i know the the disable of echo at password is for security by default |
| 17:06.32 | clusty | dutchfish, version 1.2.0 testing |
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| 17:06.38 | ajavid | cantoma, flashplayer-mozilla <- on amd64 !== flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:06.46 | cantoma | ajavid, i have heard bad things about it |
| 17:06.54 | ajavid | cantoma, you probably installed flashplayer-mozilla |
| 17:07.00 | cantoma | hmmm |
| 17:07.04 | ajavid | cantoma, that uses nspluginwrapper and uses a 32bit flash |
| 17:07.11 | dutchfish | clusty, and the nfs-server has ext3 fs? |
| 17:07.11 | ajavid | it is crashy on amd64, very crashy |
| 17:07.15 | anao | that an other person can't see the length of a password if entered |
| 17:07.16 | cantoma | yes i just uninstall nspluginwrapper |
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| 17:07.21 | ajavid | there you go |
| 17:07.23 | ajavid | thats your problem |
| 17:07.35 | ajavid | the amd64 nonfree flash package works just perfectly |
| 17:07.46 | cantoma | flashplayer-mozilla - Macromedia Flash Player |
| 17:07.56 | ajavid | yeah, don't do that package |
| 17:07.58 | ajavid | no good. |
| 17:08.04 | clusty | dutchfish, yes |
| 17:08.18 | cantoma | apt-cache search flashplugin-nonfree doesn't give me anything |
| 17:08.43 | ajavid | !non-free |
| 17:08.43 | dpkg | well, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:08.43 | cantoma | deb http://debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
| 17:08.52 | ajavid | cantoma, append non-free contrib at the end |
| 17:08.53 | cantoma | i thing i just need to add non-free to it right? |
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| 17:09.07 | ajavid | deb http://debian-multimedia.org lenny main non-free contrib |
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| 17:09.13 | ajavid | oh |
| 17:09.15 | ajavid | sorry |
| 17:09.18 | ajavid | hold on |
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| 17:09.29 | ajavid | deb http://debian-multimedia.org lenny main <== leave this one alone |
| 17:09.41 | clusty | dutchfish, disk is oldish but not stone age. it's a 500GB 16MB cache thing most likely |
| 17:09.46 | dutchfish | clusty, the first thing to check is your clients kernel, run things like htop, top, or vmstat (asuming you have setup it right) |
| 17:09.54 | ajavid | cantoma, deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 17:10.07 | ajavid | cantoma, use this or change your mirror, but thats what it should look like at the end |
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| 17:10.19 | ajavid | cantoma, do not modify the entry for debian multimedia line |
| 17:10.20 | cantoma | hep i get an error in update |
| 17:10.23 | cantoma | let me change it again |
| 17:10.29 | dutchfish | clusty, secondly the mem in the nfs-server, is it sufficient to handle caches? |
| 17:10.36 | ajavid | yes sorry, I didn't realize you pasted the dmm uri |
| 17:10.52 | clusty | dutchfish, 8GB machine. but at times might be overloaded |
| 17:10.58 | tzanger | Is there anything special involved in using the 5.0.3 dvd 1 to install debian to a software raid1/lvm setup? |
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| 17:11.09 | tzanger | (i.e. set up sw raid and lvm during the install process) |
| 17:11.35 | dutchfish | clusty, you might also check no-atime on the server and double check network iperf or the like |
| 17:11.37 | ajavid | no, use the installer lvm setup to save headache I guess? |
| 17:11.49 | ajavid | tzanger, read the install guide |
| 17:11.59 | dutchfish | clusty, also check logs |
| 17:12.15 | tzanger | ajavid: I believe I have, maybe I read something else. I'll check again. |
| 17:12.29 | dutchfish | clusty, did you check write speed (from the client and on the servers disk)? |
| 17:12.47 | ajavid | tzanger, I would print out a copy or pull it up on a diff pc while installing this |
| 17:12.51 | clusty | dutchfish, well if disk is at 90% means that net cannot be bottleneck |
| 17:12.56 | ajavid | tzanger, unless you have super duper memory :) |
| 17:13.16 | dutchfish | clusty, nope, but that sould be cached by the server |
| 17:13.22 | dutchfish | s/sould/should |
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| 17:13.26 | tzanger | ajavid: :-) |
| 17:13.40 | cantoma | ajavid, thanks |
| 17:13.46 | tzanger | ok the partition manager will let me create LVM, that's good. not sure about MD though |
| 17:13.46 | ajavid | welcome |
| 17:14.05 | tzanger | grub can find kernels in an LV which is in MD, right? |
| 17:14.10 | ajavid | no |
| 17:14.20 | ajavid | tzanger, boot needs to be outside the lvm |
| 17:14.24 | tzanger | nope doesn't look lke it |
| 17:14.26 | ajavid | tzanger, /boot |
| 17:14.27 | tzanger | yeah I just found that |
| 17:14.28 | tzanger | perfect |
| 17:14.32 | tzanger | thank you very much, ajavid |
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| 17:14.35 | ajavid | yup |
| 17:14.44 | pred2k3 | hi, where to get the kernel module ip_conntrack ? |
| 17:15.12 | jelly-home | pred2k3: it should already be there if you're using Debian's kernel |
| 17:15.22 | pred2k3 | Im using debians kernel but I cant find it |
| 17:15.27 | jelly-home | !wayttd pred2k3 |
| 17:15.27 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, pred2k3? |
| 17:15.36 | clusty | dutchfish, is there a way to change options for the mount? (cannot unmount cause there are ppl logged in and using /home) ? |
| 17:15.46 | dutchfish | clusty, fyi i run debian/stable on my nfs-kernelserver with no write performance problems |
| 17:15.50 | pred2k3 | I want to increase ip_conntrack_max |
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| 17:16.40 | dutchfish | clusty, nope you can change export rules, but only a reload will pick them up |
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| 17:17.10 | clusty | dutchfish, i thought i had to change fstab performance |
| 17:17.16 | clusty | i mean |
| 17:17.18 | clusty | options |
| 17:17.21 | clusty | add noatime |
| 17:17.34 | dutchfish | clusty, yes, for that you need a rmeount |
| 17:17.42 | dutchfish | s/rmeount/remount |
| 17:18.01 | clusty | thanks |
| 17:18.07 | dutchfish | clusty, yw |
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| 17:19.29 | dutchfish | clusty, a bit old but still usefull: http://www.howtoforge.com/nfs-server-and-client-debian-etch |
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| 17:19.35 | jelly-home | pred2k3: It isn't present in /proc/sys/net/ipv4? uname -r? |
| 17:20.13 | pred2k3 | its not present: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:20.21 | clusty | dutchfish, got any rbuf options for the clients? |
| 17:20.27 | clusty | or standard options do the trick? |
| 17:20.41 | jelly-home | pred2k3: module names have been switched around in 2.6 kernels. It could be something like ipt_conntrack or nf_conntrack_ipv4 |
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| 17:21.03 | jelly-home | pred2k3: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name '*conntrack*.ko' :-) |
| 17:21.38 | dutchfish | clusty, that depend svery much on you file size/usage only trial and error will tell |
| 17:22.11 | dutchfish | clusty, http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s05.html |
| 17:22.12 | pred2k3 | ah ok thx |
| 17:22.26 | linXea | Hi... I have compiled the latest kernel and I need to install the fglrx-drivers... The "sudo module-assistant auto-install fglrx-source" dosen't work., right ? |
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| 17:23.54 | caosmo | hi |
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| 17:24.05 | themill | linXea: step (1) of the answer is normally "complain to AMD that their drivers still aren't open source and don't build with recent kernels" |
| 17:24.17 | caosmo | i'm caos |
| 17:24.19 | abrotman | linXea: which version of debian ? |
| 17:24.19 | tully_ | can someone point me to a tutorial on installing nvidia drivers for a 9800gtx |
| 17:24.37 | ajavid | tully_, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 17:24.39 | linXea | abrotman, debian 5 Lenny |
| 17:25.04 | Titan8990 | linXea, shouldn't be any issues as long as "latest kernel" does not mean backports |
| 17:25.05 | abrotman | linXea: if you're talking 2.6.31 .. themill is probably correct |
| 17:25.13 | linXea | themill, Yeah I know... ADM/ATI sux... But hey... Im stuck with this piece of shit card |
| 17:25.26 | ajavid | what!? |
| 17:25.26 | tully_ | thanks ajavid needed the link |
| 17:25.32 | Titan8990 | linXea, fglrx will work fine in 2.6.26 |
| 17:25.45 | themill | linXea: any reason not to stick with 2.6.26 that is in debian and fglrx works nicely with? |
| 17:26.00 | linXea | it is the 2.6.31... Yeah.. the wi-fi drivers = / |
| 17:26.03 | jelly-home | tully_: start with /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 17:26.14 | jelly-home | is slow |
| 17:26.15 | ajavid | ATI == THE shit. Period. (I refer to open specs/drivers) fuck 'nv' and absolutely fuck 'nvidia' |
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| 17:26.22 | tully_ | jelly-home, got it thanks |
| 17:26.24 | pred2k3 | error: "net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_max" is an unknown key |
| 17:26.25 | Titan8990 | themill, vulnerability in < .30 kernels? |
| 17:26.28 | ajavid | intel and ati... thats it. |
| 17:26.32 | pred2k3 | though I have inserted the conntrack module |
| 17:26.56 | jelly-home | pred2k3: yeah well, find it under /proc/sys |
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| 17:27.22 | jelly-home | pred2k3: then get rid of "/proc/sys/" and replace slashes with dots |
| 17:27.24 | ajavid | was referring to linXea |
| 17:27.29 | ajavid | tully_, you're alright budd ;) |
| 17:27.38 | linXea | rather have working wi-fi than nice grafics ... |
| 17:27.59 | ajavid | I would rather have free than non-free how about that, and free works |
| 17:28.28 | linXea | I hear you.. But 1080p movies complain with free |
| 17:28.37 | jelly-home | pred2k3: what is your real goal, seriously? You seem to be getting your info from outdated sources |
| 17:28.57 | ajavid | they say... its better to live only a day as a wild dog than it is to live an entire life as a pet dog (as freedom goes) I dunno, I'm retarded. |
| 17:29.22 | ajavid | linXea, I have no problems with native 1080p vidoes on ffmpeg in xorg 7.5 |
| 17:29.25 | abrotman | linXea: what wifi device do you have ? |
| 17:29.31 | ajavid | X1900XT, radeon driver |
| 17:29.38 | abrotman | linXea: and which video card? |
| 17:29.40 | tully_ | ajavid, did nvidia-kenel-common get taken out or do i need to edit my sources? |
| 17:29.43 | pred2k3 | k thanks |
| 17:29.43 | ajavid | linXea, i thought you were talking about ATI, not wifi oh wifi too? nm |
| 17:29.52 | ajavid | tully_, I have no idea my good man, I don't use nvidia |
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| 17:30.02 | tux_mark_5 | hi |
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| 17:30.09 | jelly-home | ajavid: it's better to live a hundred years a rich man than seven days a pauper! |
| 17:30.09 | Titan8990 | tully_, read the guide closer.... you need contrib and non-free repos |
| 17:30.20 | tux_mark_5 | where can I find the netboot installation ISO of debian SID ? |
| 17:30.21 | linXea | ajavid, well wi-fi drivers is in the latest kernel and working beautifully but now grafics does not... |
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| 17:30.34 | abrotman | tux_mark_5: use the lenny netints |
| 17:30.35 | ajavid | linXea, I have a more powerful cpu, 3.8ghz c2quad, so if my open radeon driver can't do h264 accel, no problem, it will next year. |
| 17:30.36 | abrotman | netinst |
| 17:30.43 | chellomere | tux_mark_5, nowhere. |
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| 17:31.04 | tux_mark_5 | so how I am supposed to install SID then? |
| 17:31.08 | linXea | ajavid, I have a quad core AMD with 8GB ram and still i dosent work great with free |
| 17:31.16 | beardy | tux_mark_5: You "upgrade". |
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| 17:31.22 | ajavid | linXea, right now, my cpu takes care of decoding it, rest assured, my ATI card can do it. Radeon developers will be implementing h264 accel right after 3d goes slightly more stable in r7xx chipset |
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| 17:31.27 | macman_ | hi all i suck at math |
| 17:31.28 | chellomere | tux_mark_5, if you don't know that, you shouldn't run sid. |
| 17:31.29 | macman_ | 2.77 gigs plus 515mb + 14.8 gigs + 77.7 mb how much is this to make my parition ? |
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| 17:31.46 | tux_mark_5 | i |
| 17:31.47 | ajavid | linXea, well maybe you haven't configured your radeon options for your card properly |
| 17:31.54 | tux_mark_5 | i'm to use it in virtualbox ;) |
| 17:31.56 | abrotman | macman_: round up and call it 3.5GB |
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| 17:32.05 | abrotman | macman_: whoops .. hold on |
| 17:32.09 | tux_mark_5 | and netboot it just a faster way to do things |
| 17:32.11 | ajavid | linXea, consult the radeon documentation on the xorg option/config directives to calibrate your card properly for optimal settings |
| 17:32.11 | linXea | ajavid, Im using the VESA drivers right now.. what to configure ? |
| 17:32.19 | chellomere | !tell tux_mark_5 about sid |
| 17:32.20 | abrotman | macman_: round up and call it 18GB :) |
| 17:32.21 | ajavid | linXea, hopefully you are using EXA accel method on radeon |
| 17:32.26 | Titan8990 | macman_, around 20gb |
| 17:32.33 | abrotman | or 17 .. or close enough |
| 17:32.36 | ajavid | linXea, it defaults to XAA which is horribly slow |
| 17:32.44 | linXea | ajavid, thank you.. I'll cerainly look at it closer... =) |
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| 17:33.06 | tux_mark_5 | yeah yeah, i get it, that's why i'm installing it to *virtualbox* ;) |
| 17:33.06 | ajavid | linXea, also consult #radeon |
| 17:33.08 | abrotman | macman_: (2.77*1024)+515+(14.8*1024)+77.7 ... enjoy |
| 17:33.13 | linXea | ajavid, I will |
| 17:33.55 | Titan8990 | abrotman, he took off rather quickly |
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| 17:34.38 | abrotman | oh well |
| 17:36.10 | fronix | hmm how can i like remove perl totaly so i can reinstall it because i have alot of perl dirs and only one works but the one that works is in /usr/local/lib/perl and a normal script would have /usr/bin/perl so all the scripts are reciving errors because the /usr/bin/perl doesnt work |
| 17:36.18 | LjL | it would appear that, on testing, i cannot (or no longer) use the rt2500pci driver, as the system insists usig rt2500 instead; however, i get horrible wifi performance with that. it started after a dist-upgrade i had postponed for quite long. |
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| 17:36.43 | abrotman | LjL: is there a question trapped in there somewhere? |
| 17:36.50 | ajavid | lol |
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| 17:37.25 | LjL | abrotman: you could read it on multiple levels. "how can i switch back to rt2500pci", or "how can i get the wifi to work regardless"? |
| 17:37.55 | LjL | or "should i remove the wifi card and plug in some ethernet instead?" (no because i don't have enough slots) |
| 17:37.55 | abrotman | LjL: any errors in the logs? does it need firmware? |
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| 17:38.26 | abrotman | wonders why he has an rt2500pci on his testing box here ... |
| 17:38.29 | LjL | abrotman, firmware, no, i really wouldn't think so. |
| 17:38.42 | abrotman | /lib/modules/2.6.30-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2500pci.ko |
| 17:38.43 | abrotman | /lib/modules/2.6.30-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2500usb.ko |
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| 17:38.55 | ajavid | poor performance != missing firmware I would think, it works |
| 17:38.58 | LjL | i do *have* it, it just doesn't drive the card. |
| 17:39.03 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 17:39.19 | abrotman | LjL: do you have the PCIID ? |
| 17:39.23 | ajavid | has a rt26pci... weird |
| 17:39.57 | LjL | abrotman: the only thing i can say so far is that when i comment out rt2500pci and put rt2500 in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, it puts back rt2500pci automatically at reboot |
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| 17:40.01 | stew | LjL: if you grep for the vendorid.*deviceid in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.* does it no longer list rt2500pci ? |
| 17:40.08 | LjL | abrotman: should be 0x1814:0x0201 |
| 17:40.16 | stew | judd: pciid 1814:0201 |
| 17:40.19 | judd | stew: [1814:0201] is 'RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI' from 'RaLink' with kernel module 'rt2500pci' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:0201 |
| 17:40.28 | stew | judd: pciid 1814:0201 --release squeeze |
| 17:40.29 | judd | stew: [1814:0201] is 'RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI' from 'RaLink' with kernel module 'rt2500pci' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:0201 |
| 17:40.42 | LjL | not really cardbus, no idea what mini-PCI is. |
| 17:40.44 | pif | hi, what should I do to have a second xserver on my laptop's external display port? |
| 17:40.50 | abrotman | LjL: it's PCI |
| 17:40.57 | stew | just a different form factor |
| 17:40.57 | LjL | ok, it's PCI. |
| 17:40.58 | Titan8990 | LjL, mini pci is what you would have in your laptop |
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| 17:41.03 | LjL | oh |
| 17:41.05 | ajavid | pif, extend or have a completely diff instance of X |
| 17:41.10 | LjL | no, this is hardly a laptop - it's PCI |
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| 17:41.21 | stew | form factor that looks more like a sodimm slot than a pci slot |
| 17:41.22 | ajavid | pif, use xrandr to extend, man xrandr /msg dpkg xrandr |
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| 17:41.32 | ajavid | pif, for a second X server, just start it on :1 or whatever |
| 17:41.33 | pif | ajavid: I want a different display |
| 17:41.40 | ajavid | pif, startx -- :1 |
| 17:41.43 | pif | ok |
| 17:41.48 | ajavid | something like that anyway |
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| 17:42.35 | pif | hmm, doesn't work, replaces xdm on main display |
| 17:42.44 | ajavid | of course |
| 17:42.51 | pif | why |
| 17:42.57 | ajavid | pif, it shuldn't actually it restarts another xdm probably |
| 17:43.06 | ajavid | pif, chvt to 7 or alt+f7 |
| 17:43.10 | LjL | stew, the grep lists both rt2500pci and rt2500 |
| 17:43.13 | ajavid | pif, :1 is on alt+f8 |
| 17:43.17 | ajavid | tty8 |
| 17:43.27 | stew | LjL: then as far as the module itself is concerned, it thinks it should support your card |
| 17:43.41 | pif | but I'd like the display to use the hdmi port |
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| 17:44.16 | ajavid | pif, I don't know how to direct xorg like that |
| 17:44.25 | LjL | stew: i don't, it might just be that rt2500 is overriding it and not letting it drive the card - since i don't understand why rt2500 would keep being re-added automatically to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 17:44.28 | abrotman | i don't have just 'rt2500' in the 30-1-686 here |
| 17:44.56 | ajavid | pif, what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 17:45.23 | ajavid | pif, why do you want two instances of X, do you just want the extern monitor to work? you can use xrandr to turn it on and extend your desktop onto it. |
| 17:45.27 | stew | LjL: when you "modprobe -r rt2500 ; modprobe rt2500pci", the card works? or no? |
| 17:46.04 | ajavid | pif, as for having two diff X sessions, one on each monitor, youd have to configure your xorg.conf and give it Screen (x) directive in the device section |
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| 17:46.13 | pif | ajavid: I want to use my external monitor on a different xdm session |
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| 17:46.32 | ajavid | pif, you'd have the same user two X sessions, and you can move the mouse around between them |
| 17:46.38 | pif | ajavid: I have screen0 and screen1 in xorg.conf |
| 17:46.47 | ajavid | pif, show me your config |
| 17:46.56 | pif | oki |
| 17:47.05 | ajavid | use paste.debian.net |
| 17:47.29 | LjL | stew: i'll try, but keep in mind that, currently, the lsmod output includes both: rt2500pci 17152 0 \n rt2x00pci 7648 1 rt2500pci \n rt2500 145504 1 |
| 17:47.33 | hid3nax | Good evening everyone. Could anyone advise me a console DC++ client (available through debian repositories)? |
| 17:47.46 | pif | ajavid: http://paste.debian.net/46710/ |
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| 17:48.19 | Titan8990 | "DC++ announces the freedom to share! DC++ is an open source client for Windows for the Direct Connect network." |
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| 17:48.29 | Codtv`Yuc | hello guys |
| 17:48.30 | pif | ajavid: I don't understand how to link xorg's 'screen0' with an X session... |
| 17:48.43 | pif | or 'screen1' |
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| 17:48.46 | ajavid | oh my bad |
| 17:48.57 | ajavid | let me clarify, it won't be two seperate X instances |
| 17:49.00 | Codtv`Yuc | i wanne use htaccess on my debian machine but i have places the htacces files but it still dont work can somebody help me |
| 17:49.02 | ajavid | I said x sessions |
| 17:49.13 | Titan8990 | hid3nax, sounds windows only to me |
| 17:49.17 | ajavid | for the same user, I don't why you want two X instances |
| 17:49.20 | ajavid | I don't know what to do, sorry |
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| 17:49.42 | LjL | stew: what happened was that rt2500pci still has a 0 user count, and i've got nothing in ifconfig -a |
| 17:50.04 | Titan8990 | hid3nax, but its not http://www.dslreports.com/faq/6514 |
| 17:50.31 | stew | LjL: any errors in dmesg when you "modprobe -r rt2500pci ; modprobe rt2500pci" ? |
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| 17:52.28 | LjL | stew: not really; for that matter, that reloading actually did cause eth2 (which is the expected name) to appear in ifconfig -a now. |
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| 17:52.51 | hid3nax | Titan8990: it's not Windows-only. I had it once but forgot the name ;-) |
| 17:52.57 | uwjesd | How do I check if there is a router setup on a system? |
| 17:53.01 | hid3nax | Thanks for the link |
| 17:53.32 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, you mean routing software installed on your debian box? |
| 17:53.42 | stew | LjL: perhaps you can blacklist rt2500 or alias it to rt2500pci ? |
| 17:53.59 | hid3nax | I believe I have used CCCP. It's named like the Soviet Union acronym ;-) |
| 17:54.02 | uwjesd | Sorry I mean how do I see if there is a gateway used by a system. Actually used not only set up I mean. |
| 17:54.52 | LjL | stew: i think so. however, i wonder 1) why just unloading rt2500 and loading rt2500pci didn't initially cause it to work, and 2) why /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules insists introducing an rt2500 line |
| 17:55.08 | LjL | but i guess that, first, i should check out whether this actually means the card now works reliably |
| 17:55.36 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, netstat -rn |
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| 17:58.03 | uwjesd | Titan8990: So if under router there is not the ip of the gateway then the gateway is not set? |
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| 17:59.47 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, "router" is usually a term to describe a device "routes" or a "routing table" is how you would describe the routes on your local machine |
| 18:00.02 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, if it doesn't report it in netstat -rn then its not in your routing table |
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| 18:01.25 | phorce1 | the readme.debian states that postfix is set up to run chroot by default. but in master.cf local is set to not be chroot. local handles the alias files. What effect would this have on permissions? I have an alias file created as ecartis:lurker. ecartis is part of the lurker group. /var/lib/lurker is drwxrwsr-x 2 root lurker. the alias expansion should be happening as user ecartis based on man local. I get a permission denied e |
| 18:01.31 | uwjesd | Why wouldn't it use the gateway I set up in /etc/network/interfaces I did ifup and ifdown a few times and even one restart |
| 18:01.32 | phorce1 | what can I do to actually see what user postfix is running as when it calls the alias? |
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| 18:02.14 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and the output of netstat -rn and i might be able to tell you |
| 18:02.24 | uwjesd | alright |
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| 18:02.38 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, but ifup/ifdown does not read from /etc/network/interfaces ; the init script /etc/init.d/networking does |
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| 18:03.27 | fronix | How can i change the perl directory so instead of /usr/local/lib/perl like i have now i use /usr/bin/perl |
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| 18:04.49 | Titan8990 | fronix, /usr/bin/perl should be where the binary is |
| 18:04.52 | uwjesd | http://pastebin.com/m6fdd1674 |
| 18:04.56 | fronix | its not |
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| 18:05.14 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 18:05.26 | Titan8990 | fronix, pc-tesla lib # apt-file find /usr/bin/perl \n perl-base: /usr/bin/perl |
| 18:06.36 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, your dsl modem/router doesn't handle the ppp? |
| 18:06.46 | LjL | stew: it seems to load on boot smoothly with the other blacklisted, so i guess i'll keep it that way. i wonder just what changed during the last upgrade that seemed to cause this, but i guess i can live without knowing. |
| 18:06.52 | LjL | thanks for the help |
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| 18:07.35 | fronix | Titan8990; what is that command? |
| 18:07.40 | fronix | pc-tesla lib # |
| 18:07.43 | fronix | ?? |
| 18:07.58 | Titan8990 | that is my prompt |
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| 18:08.09 | uwjesd | Titan8990: My Software router does most of the time. But sometimes the computer which config I showed you connects with ppp |
| 18:08.10 | Titan8990 | my PS1 |
| 18:08.46 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, well, it looks fine unless the pre up command is doing something to interfere... |
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| 18:08.55 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:09.14 | uwjesd | issued this command a few times now but did not help |
| 18:09.20 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, then check it again. if still no good, see if there are any issues with manually adding the route: route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:10.20 | uwjesd | adding it manualy worked. How can I make this permanent? |
| 18:10.22 | fronix | Titan8990: http://pastebin.org/18351 |
| 18:10.25 | fronix | thats what i get |
| 18:10.28 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, oh dude... |
| 18:10.43 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, i almost missed it lol you have a syntax error on your gateway line |
| 18:10.52 | Aque0s | what would you guys suggest I run as my web server - I want to run a small php application for managing the applications running on the box.. the apps will all be networking related .. so squid, pppoe connections etc. there wont be more than 5 concurrent sessions... |
| 18:10.55 | Titan8990 | uwjesd, you have gateway: take way the ":" |
| 18:11.47 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, what php application is that? one you plan to write? |
| 18:11.52 | Aque0s | yes |
| 18:12.00 | Titan8990 | it sounds insecure |
| 18:12.01 | Aque0s | or attempt to write :P |
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| 18:12.07 | uwjesd | Titan8990: :-) oh god, what a shame. Thank you, you have been very helpfull. |
| 18:12.18 | dhodgkin | is there a debian GNU/Hurd channel? |
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| 18:14.04 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, imo ps and kill does just fine for managing apps |
| 18:15.22 | LjL | i'll try the other old problem i have while i'm here. Epson RX500 all-in-one works as a printer but not as a scanner with SANE, unless i first remove the "usblp" module (which in turn obviously makes it stop working as a printer). it didn't always do that; it started after an update many months ago. how might i bring the two pieces back to concurrent operation? |
| 18:15.38 | Aque0s | Titan8990: i want to write a php interface. whatever works for you.. great - im looking for suggestions with what I would like to do. |
| 18:16.00 | cantido | Is anyone else having serious issues with the intel xorg driver that's just moved into testing? It's causing the system to do all sorts of weird things here, but I can't find reports :/ |
| 18:16.01 | fronix | Titan8990: thankyou you are a lifesaver ;) |
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| 18:16.29 | Aque0s | Titan8990: speaking of which, why does it sound insecure? |
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| 18:16.40 | Titan8990 | fronix, what version of debian are on? did you already solve it? |
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| 18:17.12 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, same reason webmin is insecure.... web guis are like wide open windows to your box |
| 18:17.37 | Titan8990 | and given the ability to control applications from it.... |
| 18:17.55 | Aque0s | Titan8990: fair enough, but this will be used by people inside a small network - it is going to be a router replacement |
| 18:17.57 | Titan8990 | i guess it might not be that bad if it was restricted to managing a particular user's applicaitons |
| 18:18.01 | cantido | Titan8990: I don't think webmin was/is insecure because of it's function.. it just wasnt all that well made |
| 18:18.13 | Aque0s | Titan8990: no big networks or external (wan) access |
| 18:18.15 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, a router replacement? install pfsense, done |
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| 18:18.25 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, bsd makes a better router than linux imo |
| 18:18.42 | ikanobori | Lads. How can I preview a man page file in troff? |
| 18:18.45 | Aque0s | Titan8990: no - i want to develop my own system, to learn :) amoungst other things |
| 18:18.49 | ikanobori | s/in/written in |
| 18:18.51 | Titan8990 | cantido, well, i have th same opinion about say, phpmyadmin |
| 18:18.53 | cantido | Aque0s: proper routers/managed switches don't have web interfaces |
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| 18:19.10 | fronix | Titan8990: my god what version? i would guess 5.0 or something :S |
| 18:19.34 | Titan8990 | fronix, oh that looked right on yours... did you install perl-base? |
| 18:19.47 | Aque0s | cantido: i dont care... i want a php interface. for my own learning and for my dumbass friends who dont know how to use a console for .. *** |
| 18:19.48 | Titan8990 | or reinstall if needed |
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| 18:19.54 | fronix | i guess so |
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| 18:20.03 | cantido | Titan8990: um, if it has xss issues or something yes.. but from what I can see those issues are fixed pretty quickly |
| 18:20.03 | Aque0s | so i ask again, what would you guys recommend as the web server? |
| 18:20.09 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, then again you want pfsense.... |
| 18:20.14 | ikanobori | Aque0s: Depends on the use case. |
| 18:20.22 | fronix | tho i have alot of perl dir's |
| 18:20.23 | Aque0s | Titan8990: I do not want a premade system |
| 18:20.23 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, and then you want to experiment on your own box at home, outside of a production env |
| 18:20.24 | Aque0s | argh! |
| 18:20.32 | cantido | Aque0s: so you want dumbarses playing with your routing? |
| 18:20.41 | Aque0s | not with my own |
| 18:20.43 | Aque0s | with theirs |
| 18:20.51 | Titan8990 | production != whip something as I am learning it |
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| 18:20.58 | Aque0s | ... |
| 18:21.00 | Aque0s | listen |
| 18:21.04 | Aque0s | i appreciate the advice |
| 18:21.12 | Aque0s | but i would like to do this my way |
| 18:21.28 | Aque0s | this is mostly about a learning experience |
| 18:21.28 | Titan8990 | what are you using for routing software? |
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| 18:21.36 | Titan8990 | writting your own for that too? |
| 18:21.36 | cantido | Aque0s: if you want to write your own control panel as a "i need some reason to use php" project knock yourself out |
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| 18:22.00 | Aque0s | exactly cantido - thats what i want... |
| 18:22.06 | Titan8990 | ^ i have done that myself but not for any type of live environment....] |
| 18:22.15 | cantido | Aque0s: lighttpd + fastcgi php + iptables |
| 18:22.27 | Aque0s | atm my piece of *** netgear dg834g |
| 18:22.30 | Aque0s | thank you cantido :) |
| 18:22.39 | Titan8990 | cantido, iptables won't do dynamic routing protocols.... |
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| 18:23.00 | cantido | Titan8990: wtf is "dynamic routing protocols" |
| 18:23.06 | Aque0s | yeah :P |
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| 18:23.17 | Titan8990 | cantido, RIP, BGP, EIGRP, etc |
| 18:23.26 | cantido | Titan8990: does he need that? |
| 18:23.32 | Aque0s | what do embedded linux routers use... LIKE my netgear for instance...? |
| 18:23.38 | Titan8990 | depends on the size of his network |
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| 18:24.00 | cantido | Titan8990: also, IIRC there is support for doing that sort of thing |
| 18:24.02 | Titan8990 | sshs into his ddwrt to check |
| 18:24.11 | Aque0s | ty Titan8990 |
| 18:24.19 | cantido | Titan8990: maybe not in iptables.. as that isn't really what iptables is for |
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| 18:25.15 | cantido | Aque0s: most people use a script that generates iptables rules instead of writing a php interface though |
| 18:25.40 | simonrvn | a sh script ;) |
| 18:25.56 | simonrvn | less overhead than some php interface |
| 18:25.59 | Titan8990 | i have only known of quagga and bird for those types of routing protocols but i will enable it on my ddwrt and check |
| 18:26.00 | Aque0s | i can just use php to generate the iptables rules..? |
| 18:26.13 | Aque0s | thanks Titan8990 |
| 18:26.20 | simonrvn | quagga is nice, there's some new ones coming out too |
| 18:26.23 | cantido | Titan8990: is any of the hardware supported by ddwrt fast enough to bother with that stuff? |
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| 18:27.46 | Elive_user84_en | hallo some one using freevo |
| 18:27.49 | Titan8990 | ddwrt uses bird for dynamic routing |
| 18:27.53 | simonrvn | Aque0s: some of your friends may not be used to shell (or cmd.exe for that matter, i'm assuming they're windows users) but a sh script is going to be less hassle and less overhead than running a webserver with php |
| 18:28.50 | abrotman | Elive_user84_en: you should probably ask the channel for your distro |
| 18:28.55 | simonrvn | nce that script is set up, it's not going to take very much to run it |
| 18:28.56 | Titan8990 | cantido, actually we have had linksys wrt54gl routers running ddwrt serving 20-30 computer networks w/o issues |
| 18:28.57 | abrotman | or #freevo |
| 18:29.00 | simonrvn | once* |
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| 18:29.09 | Elive_user84_en | I am runing debian laenny |
| 18:29.12 | Elive_user84_en | I am runing debian lenny |
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| 18:29.30 | Elive_user84_en | wher is the channel |
| 18:29.43 | cantido | Titan8990: < 500KBps right? |
| 18:29.57 | Titan8990 | cantido, yes |
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| 18:30.42 | cantido | I would have just ebayed some older cisco kit ;) |
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| 18:30.59 | Elive_user84_en | i need a bit help whit a config file for freevo |
| 18:31.23 | Titan8990 | Elive_user84_en, join the freevo channel |
| 18:31.37 | Elive_user84_en | og |
| 18:31.39 | Elive_user84_en | ok |
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| 18:34.12 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 18:34.19 | DarkUranium | can anyone help me with getting optical out working? |
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| 18:34.54 | cantido | Titan8990: the linksys/netgear etc stuff all starts to show its shitness when you have a few gbit clients trying to copy 40GB files around :p |
| 18:35.06 | abrotman | optical what? |
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| 18:35.27 | Titan8990 | cantido, i could imagine, we don't deal with files even close to that though |
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| 18:39.19 | cantido | DarkUranium: usually you turn one of the control on in alsamixer and the red light comes on and away you go |
| 18:39.40 | DarkUranium | cantido: yeah, wish it was that simple |
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| 18:39.54 | cantido | what exactly "doesnt't work" |
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| 18:40.01 | DarkUranium | cantido: the Fedora solution (when I still had Fedora) was to turn something off, but can't recall what and where |
| 18:40.05 | DarkUranium | cantido: no sound... |
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| 18:40.19 | DarkUranium | cantido: The headphone jack works, but optical out doesn't |
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| 18:41.10 | cantido | DarkUranium: there is an alsa wiki that has info on getting stuff working IIRC |
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| 18:41.44 | cantido | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/DigitalOut |
| 18:42.02 | Titan8990 | fronix, did you have any luck? don't use pastebin.org btw |
| 18:42.17 | fronix | Yes i did its working as i want now |
| 18:42.24 | fronix | and why? :P |
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| 18:42.32 | Titan8990 | it just appeared recently and I found an add that appeared to have malicious javascript |
| 18:42.40 | Titan8990 | pastebin.com is what you were looking for |
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| 18:43.10 | hark | ad |
| 18:43.15 | Titan8990 | yeah... ad |
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| 18:43.34 | Titan8990 | fronix, plus websites with "adult friend finder" ads are not very work-friendly |
| 18:43.49 | fronix | hmm |
| 18:43.54 | fronix | where do you see such stuff? |
| 18:44.10 | Titan8990 | fronix, are you running adblock or something similar? |
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| 18:49.13 | S|ick | My touchpad has two sets navigation buttons, the left and right mouse buttons and the finger touch area in between the two sets. One of the button sets seized to function and is essence I do not have the "left and right" mouse-lie clicks. How can I assess the problem? |
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| 18:51.18 | S|ick | It used to function, but recently, It just stopped without an obvious reason and is very disturbing while working on the laptop |
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| 18:52.03 | abrotman | S|ick: does it work in another OS? |
| 18:52.39 | S|ick | abrotman: yes |
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| 18:55.54 | Jemt | Hi guys. I have just installed Debian 5.03 on my laptop - came from 4.x. I'm having trouble getting a decent resolution on my external monitor. I have set xorg to use the ati driver, which works fine, except that my laptop monitor is automatically turned on. This seems to force the graphic card to choose the best resolution suitable for both monitors. But I only want the external monitor to be used. Any suggestions ? |
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| 18:56.04 | alkalinelito | Anyone knows why debian lenny cacti package ( 0.8.7b-2.1 ) doesnt include the cli directories ? (Im trying to use the add_device.php scirpt) but the whole directory is missing, looking the files in the deb package the cli directory is not present |
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| 18:57.18 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 19:03.04 | abrotman | alkalinelito: FWIW, it does exist in unstable |
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| 19:03.19 | abrotman | and testing |
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| 19:04.47 | tpocra | So I copied about 3.5TiB of data using rsync, and most of it completed successfully, but a very small percentage of files are truncated and therefore not identical to the originals. |
| 19:04.50 | tpocra | How can I re-transfer, or (ideally) complete the transfer of, these essentially corrupted files automatically? |
| 19:04.52 | tpocra | And not transfer the correctly copied ones? |
| 19:05.24 | eptalon | tpocra: use the same rsync command again |
| 19:05.46 | eptalon | rsync is smart, it will not transfer dupes. |
| 19:07.11 | alkalinelito | abrotman: Yes i know, but in regular cacti version the cli directory is present since 0.8.7a, so i was wonderning why it was removed from the debian stable version ( 0.8.7b ). So i guess the only solution is to install the testing version? (Via pakage pinning right?) |
| 19:07.18 | jelly-home | tpocra: if the files are large and you're short with disk space on the destination, read about --inplace in the manual |
| 19:07.38 | eptalon | is the pre-built debian kernel already there for version 2.6.31? |
| 19:07.47 | jelly-home | judd: versions kernel |
| 19:07.47 | judd | jelly-home: kernel -- |
| 19:07.51 | tpocra | jelly-home: I have ample disk space on the destination. It's a 6TiB RAID-6 array |
| 19:07.54 | jelly-home | judd: kernel |
| 19:07.55 | judd | jelly-home: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 19:08.31 | tpocra | eptalon: I tried the same command and nothing happened. |
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| 19:08.41 | abrotman | alkalinelito: did you look in the changelog ? |
| 19:08.46 | eptalon | tpocra: delete corrupted files, and try again? |
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| 19:08.56 | tpocra | I used "rsync -aHPS --numeric-ids --progress * user@hostname:/ " |
| 19:09.21 | tpocra | And the output I got by running it again was "sending incremental file list" |
| 19:09.22 | alkalinelito | abrotman: no, just /usr/share/doc/cacti/README.Debian.gz , reading it right now ... |
| 19:09.46 | tpocra | "sent 9384822 bytes received 13244 bytes 1105654.82 bytes/sec" |
| 19:10.13 | tpocra | "total size is 3740598179464 speedup is 398017.87" |
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| 19:10.37 | eptalon | tpocra: there you go. 10m transferred. |
| 19:11.02 | tpocra | every time I run the command it does that. |
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| 19:11.21 | alkalinelito | abrotman: no nothing relevant there |
| 19:11.44 | fronix | hmm |
| 19:11.48 | fronix | damn |
| 19:12.03 | eptalon | tpocra: is your raid setup sw or hw? |
| 19:12.19 | fronix | http://pastie.org/619249 |
| 19:12.32 | jelly-home | tpocra: do you mean "every time I run the command it does that, and the destination is still incomplete?" |
| 19:12.36 | fronix | how come i get errors on all those packages? |
| 19:12.40 | eptalon | tpocra: and how do you like raid 6? |
| 19:12.46 | abrotman | alkalinelito: nothing in either file? |
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| 19:14.37 | abrotman | alkalinelito: the easy answer is to try to backport the cacti from unstable |
| 19:14.46 | SolarWar | anyone know where i can find iso images or deb files for woody? |
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| 19:15.54 | tpocra | jelly-home: you asked exactly the right question. The couple of examples I found of slightly truncated files has been fixed. |
| 19:16.14 | tpocra | jelly-home: However, I cannot manually parse through and compare filesizes and/or checksums for this amount of data. |
| 19:16.17 | abrotman | !tell SolarWar about cd archive |
| 19:16.33 | abrotman | SolarWar: oh, doesn't ahve woody .. |
| 19:16.37 | tpocra | How can I trust rsync when it couldn't do it the first time? |
| 19:16.38 | SolarWar | :( |
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| 19:16.45 | abrotman | SolarWar: oh, yes it does http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/i386/ |
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| 19:16.55 | SolarWar | wow |
| 19:16.57 | SolarWar | thanks a ton! |
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| 19:17.02 | abrotman | just not organized the sam |
| 19:17.04 | abrotman | same |
| 19:17.06 | eptalon | tpocra: to my knowledge, there is few soft thats better. |
| 19:17.15 | helo | regardless of which monitor i use, i always get an unsupported mode... i'm using the barebones non-specific xorg.conf in lenny |
| 19:17.20 | tpocra | Is there another utility to easily parse and compare this entire directory and all subdirectories and transfer if different? |
| 19:17.23 | abrotman | SolarWar: obviously, it hasn't had security updates in more than five years .. use at your own risk |
| 19:17.26 | jelly-home | tpocra: sure you can, find . -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum > md5sums at both ends, and compare the sorted sum files when they're finished |
| 19:17.27 | tpocra | Or at least generate awareness that it is different? |
| 19:17.29 | helo | i just used cpio to transfer the installation to a new hard drive |
| 19:17.49 | eptalon | tpocra: look for zsync, but alrgorithm is an extension of rsync. |
| 19:17.50 | jelly-home | tpocra: er, add -type f to find options |
| 19:17.57 | helo | with the vesa driver, i get many warnings like: "Failed to set up write-combining range (0x.....,0x.....)" |
| 19:18.02 | Aque0s | Titan8990: back - someone was taking about a shell script - what do you mean? |
| 19:18.06 | tpocra | eptalon: The source is software RAID-5 from an encrypted XFS filesystem. The destination is hardware RAID-6 with an unencrypted ext3 filesystem. I love RAID-6. |
| 19:18.14 | SolarWar | abrotman, I know, its not my choice to use something this old :) |
| 19:18.42 | jelly-home | tpocra: rsync also has options to force checksum verification instead of the speedy size + timestamp one |
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| 19:19.01 | abrotman | SolarWar: also, you'll want to change your sources.list before installing anything from the http sources .. they'll be pointing at "stable" which will mess it up .. see http://archive.debian.org/debian/README for instructions on staying on 'woody' |
| 19:19.11 | alkalinelito | abrotman: in either file therse no mention to the removal of the cli directory. Maybe install cacti version from testing ? instead of unstable? |
| 19:19.14 | xeon-enouf | helo: try mv /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d/ out of the way |
| 19:19.17 | eptalon | tpocra: I was happily using raid5 (sw) until a disk failed, now I have two raid 1's, all xfs. |
| 19:19.19 | SolarWar | abrotman, noted, thanks :) |
| 19:19.25 | abrotman | alkalinelito: they're about the same version .. up to you really |
| 19:19.27 | jelly-home | tpocra: but then you don't get the md5sums file for later perusal |
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| 19:19.43 | tpocra | jelly-home: What checksum method would rsync use? |
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| 19:19.49 | dec3pti0n | anyone knows what could cause the load avg on top (lenny) be like 2 when there is nothing running on the system ? |
| 19:19.54 | alkalinelito | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 19:20.06 | jelly-home | tpocra: it has something in it. I've no idea. |
| 19:20.07 | tpocra | Would it checksum the destination files on the source CPUs? |
| 19:20.09 | JochenA | helo: try to add a monitor section to your xorg.conf. I had a problem the other day where X thought the laptop display can't handle 1024x768 |
| 19:20.10 | dec3pti0n | have rebooted the box a couple times but after a couple minutes it goes up again |
| 19:20.29 | jeff_hann | dec3pti0n: try top |
| 19:20.40 | jeff_hann | like top -d 1 |
| 19:20.50 | jelly-home | dec3pti0n: how many cpu cores are there? |
| 19:20.53 | JochenA | helo: just put some sane values in for hsync and vsync |
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| 19:20.55 | eptalon | dec3pti0n: or play with ps. |
| 19:21.06 | jeff_hann | it'll show you the process, PID, cpu time, ram, etc. |
| 19:21.14 | jeff_hann | yeah, or ps |
| 19:21.23 | dec3pti0n | 8 dual core procs |
| 19:21.24 | tpocra | nvm have man page |
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| 19:21.25 | catsup | dec3pti0n: try rebooting 10 or 20 more times |
| 19:21.40 | jelly-home | tags catsup with a troll tag |
| 19:21.45 | jeff_hann | :)) |
| 19:21.46 | dec3pti0n | hehe |
| 19:21.52 | helo | JochenA: ding |
| 19:21.56 | helo | thanks |
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| 19:22.02 | Matson | I'm doing a etch -> lenny upgrade remotely via console. following structions on http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-upgrade-from-debian-etch-40-to-lenny-50.html - PROBLEM: after the updage, I run "aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude" and it hits a conflict with a "score" of -1501. I usualy only use apt-get - what does this mean? |
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| 19:22.20 | xeon-enouf | catsup: how about just spicing it up with some mustard? |
| 19:22.29 | jelly-home | stop feeding it |
| 19:22.37 | tpocra | jelly-home: rsync -c runs a checksum on source and destination if filesize is the same using 128-bit MD5 and transfers is either are different. |
| 19:22.39 | tpocra | fyi ;-) |
| 19:22.41 | jelly-home | even if it's only mustard! |
| 19:22.46 | Matson | basically I will lose a day if this upgrade fails and I need to drive over to the colo |
| 19:23.25 | xeon-enouf | JochenA: helo incorrect Vert/Hor sync ranges would yield "out of range" messages, not unsupported modes |
| 19:23.29 | Aque0s | whats the difference between the debian netinst image and the debian businesscard image? |
| 19:23.45 | xeon-enouf | size |
| 19:23.47 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, i was just saying that the software that ddwrt uses for dynamic routing is called "bird" |
| 19:23.55 | xeon-enouf | and software on disk |
| 19:24.01 | Aque0s | yeah im checking it out Titan8990 :) thanks again |
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| 19:24.52 | Aque0s | xeon - is there something like the ubuntu mini image.. which is like.. 10mb - bash, apt-get openssh.. like really simple stuff |
| 19:24.55 | Aque0s | i think thats all i need |
| 19:24.59 | Aque0s | ill build from there |
| 19:25.04 | xeon-enouf | what's ubuntu? |
| 19:25.08 | Aque0s | lol.. |
| 19:25.17 | Pupuser402-1 | whats the bootpath for debian squeeze initrd/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-1 or... |
| 19:25.27 | joltcan | xeon-enouf: something about people holding hands or whatnot |
| 19:25.29 | xeon-enouf | businesscard and netboot are tiny |
| 19:25.29 | pipegeek | Anybody know why iconv -f 'UTF-8' -t 'UTF-8//IGNORE' doesn't strip the invalid utf-8 characters 0xFFFE and 0xFFFF ? |
| 19:25.44 | JochenA | xeon-enouf: I don't remember excactly what it said when I ran into the problem. But I thought it marked almost every mode as unsupported. Whatever might be the real underlying problem, the addition of the Monitor section solved it. |
| 19:26.13 | JochenA | helo: did this actually work then? |
| 19:26.17 | Titan8990 | Pupuser402-1, /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) |
| 19:26.20 | xeon-enouf | joltcan: i thought that was more kum-bai-yah :-P |
| 19:26.54 | Matson | what does an aptitude score of -1501 mean? |
| 19:26.55 | xeon-enouf | joltcan: monitor section alone isn't enough to do anything |
| 19:26.57 | Aque0s | xeon-enouf: businesscard is 40mb |
| 19:27.01 | xeon-enouf | er JochenA |
| 19:27.07 | xeon-enouf | bad tab joltcan |
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| 19:27.22 | xeon-enouf | Aque0s: varies per ARCH |
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| 19:27.26 | catsup | dec3pti0n: if rebooting 20 times doesn't help, try ps ax -o stat,pid,cmd | grep '^[DR]' |
| 19:27.43 | Aque0s | ah okay.. |
| 19:27.45 | Titan8990 | rebooting 20 times?? |
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| 19:27.49 | Pupuser402-1 | thanks Titan8990 |
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| 19:27.59 | Titan8990 | Pupuser402-1, np |
| 19:28.06 | Aque0s | and... could someone explain what bird or quagga would be used for? |
| 19:28.25 | Aque0s | ive read their wikipedia articles.. but I dont understand what they would be used for |
| 19:28.33 | Titan8990 | routing.... |
| 19:28.42 | Titan8990 | they are both routing software |
| 19:28.51 | catsup | Titan8990: for when rebooting 19 times isn't enough. |
| 19:28.52 | Matson | hello? |
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| 19:29.02 | Titan8990 | quagga uses a cisco syntax which may be familiar |
| 19:29.03 | Aque0s | like... when xxx packet comes in send here type routing? |
| 19:29.20 | Aque0s | nope - im 16 so i havent quite been exposed to cisco equipment yet ;) |
| 19:29.25 | xeon-enouf | !lartc |
| 19:29.26 | dpkg | i guess lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 19:29.26 | DanDare2 | Hello, what´s usually the parallel port on Debian Etch? |
| 19:29.26 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, well, yeah... idk about bird but quagga support static routing |
| 19:29.45 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, get on ebay and buy an EOL router for $50 |
| 19:29.46 | Aque0s | okay so basically a more flexible form of what iptables does? |
| 19:29.49 | Matson | !lenny |
| 19:29.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.3>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 19:29.50 | eptalon | DanDare2: /dev/lp0 |
| 19:29.52 | DanDare2 | just testes and looks that it´s not /dev/parport0 (or maybe it´s?) |
| 19:29.57 | Titan8990 | i regret very mcuh not learning cisco until after i got out of college |
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| 19:29.58 | eptalon | DanDare2: and 1,2,... |
| 19:29.58 | Mandor | I'm running Debian lenny with kde 3.x goodness. Weird thing: I sometimes get a "shadow" window that I can't get rid of. xkill doesn't help. xrefresh doesn't make it go away. killing kdesktop and kwin and restarting them doesn't help. So far, I've had to log out and log back in. |
| 19:30.01 | DanDare2 | ok eptalon, thanks |
| 19:30.04 | Matson | !lenny_upgrade |
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| 19:30.10 | Matson | !lenny upgrade |
| 19:30.19 | DanDare2 | Oh now sorry.. Im using Lenny |
| 19:30.20 | Titan8990 | Matson, use /msg dpkg |
| 19:30.34 | Aque0s | Titan8990: okay so basically a more flexible form of what iptables does? |
| 19:30.39 | Matson | Titan8990: thanks |
| 19:30.50 | eptalon | Aque0s: no.. |
| 19:30.54 | Aque0s | :/ |
| 19:31.00 | Aque0s | sorry for being so ignorant |
| 19:31.00 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, iptables isn't designed for routing so it not really very flexible for that |
| 19:31.01 | xingu | Aque0s: iptables is packet filtering, not route redistribution |
| 19:31.07 | Aque0s | ah |
| 19:31.20 | Aque0s | so iptables is more firewall material |
| 19:31.22 | Aque0s | correct? |
| 19:31.25 | xingu | Aque0s: the point is to share network (layer 3) reachability information between peers |
| 19:31.28 | Titan8990 | it IS a firewall |
| 19:31.32 | Aque0s | ah :P |
| 19:31.33 | eptalon | Aque0s: routing protocols are used for the inter/intranet; iptables is packet filtering |
| 19:31.50 | xeon-enouf | Aque0s: listen to xingu ;-) |
| 19:32.07 | Aque0s | okay, so if i wanted to forward all traffic on port 80 to a transparent squid server |
| 19:32.07 | xeon-enouf | aloha amigo :-P |
| 19:32.09 | Matson | should I use apt-get or aptitude for a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 19:32.12 | Aque0s | i COULD use iptables |
| 19:32.21 | Aque0s | but... quagga or bird would be better? |
| 19:32.22 | Matson | it appears there are conflicts |
| 19:32.22 | catsup | [well iptables is not just packet filtering...] |
| 19:32.28 | jelly-home | !tell Matson -about etch->lenny |
| 19:32.28 | xingu | Aque0s: port 80 is transport (layer 4) |
| 19:32.34 | xeon-enouf | Aque0s: the ENTER key isn't a substitute for punctuation ;-) |
| 19:32.45 | Aque0s | xeon-enouf: sorry, its a bad habit of mine :P |
| 19:32.55 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, you can define NAT rules based on destination port in iptables, yes |
| 19:32.55 | xeon-enouf | work on it |
| 19:32.57 | catsup | Matson: you might consider upgrading in parts and not all at once with dist-upgrade |
| 19:33.03 | xingu | Aque0s: you could use bird to tell peers where the best exit was for your proxy; but tampering with packets is transport policy not network. |
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| 19:33.21 | jelly-home | Matson: the release notes list major stuff to consider |
| 19:33.22 | Matson | thank you catsup , jelly-home |
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| 19:33.29 | Matson | ok |
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| 19:33.32 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, or you could run the proxy on the gateway as a "transparent" proxy |
| 19:33.49 | Matson | important - it looks like i sohuld do a dist-upgrade while sources still point ot etch |
| 19:33.50 | Aque0s | yeah |
| 19:33.52 | Matson | didn't do that |
| 19:33.54 | Aque0s | xingu: so could you give me a practicle example of where i would use routing software like this? |
| 19:33.56 | xingu | anything that mangles packets isn't transparent, you can measure the latency hit for one |
| 19:33.59 | Aque0s | *practical |
| 19:34.28 | lafrance | good day all |
| 19:34.33 | xingu | Aque0s: consider the case where you have a local network with two exits; perhaps two remote sites, or two internet connections. |
| 19:34.40 | Aque0s | okay |
| 19:34.54 | xingu | Aque0s: a routing daemon is what you use to communicate the network topology between peers in the local site |
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| 19:35.23 | xingu | Aque0s: so that they select the best (per network and lower layer information) exit |
| 19:35.41 | Aque0s | okay... which could be done statically with iptables - BUT its not iptables's true purpose and merely something that CAN be done? right? |
| 19:35.56 | eptalon | Aque0s: "whats the quickest way to the stadium" -> routing. |
| 19:36.03 | Titan8990 | xingu, you might be confusing him because i was referring to them as dynamic routing protocols |
| 19:36.13 | xeon-enouf | xingu: somewhat ala openVPN except that (usually) is two separate local nets |
| 19:36.38 | xeon-enouf | Aque0s: see netfilter.org |
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| 19:36.42 | xingu | Aque0s: iptables is a mongerel that cuts right across the stack doing everything mostly wrong; it's more important to talk about a specific part of iptables - throwing "iptables" holds all the specificity of saying "linux" or "ios" |
| 19:36.50 | eptalon | Aque0s: the internet is layered, and what you give to iptables usually are ports (i.e. application specific) |
| 19:37.13 | Aque0s | okay |
| 19:37.26 | Aque0s | btw thanks to all of you for your help and guidance |
| 19:37.28 | eptalon | Aque0s: port 80 is http by convention only. |
| 19:37.32 | xeon-enouf | likes layer cake :-) |
| 19:37.36 | Aque0s | okay |
| 19:37.44 | Aque0s | and.. thats.. layer 4?? |
| 19:37.51 | xeon-enouf | !osi |
| 19:37.51 | dpkg | i heard osi is see <OSIRM> Application - 7, Presentation - 6, Transport - 5, Session - 4, Data Link - 3, Network - 2, Physical - 1.. Open Source Initiative |
| 19:37.58 | Aque0s | ah |
| 19:37.58 | Aque0s | ty |
| 19:38.13 | xingu | Aque0s: iptables operates at every layer including a few not in either the iso or the internet model. |
| 19:38.17 | catsup | Aque0s: iptables doesn't manipulate the routing tables, it manipulates the packet filtering tables [however, it is possible to do routing like that] |
| 19:38.26 | Aque0s | i see |
| 19:38.28 | Aque0s | so |
| 19:38.28 | xingu | for instance, where does "process id" or "process uid" sit? |
| 19:38.38 | Aque0s | filtering the packets and picking ones out - then forwarding them |
| 19:38.54 | xingu | iptables by itself doesn't forward anything |
| 19:38.55 | Aque0s | xingu: in the RAM? |
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| 19:39.09 | xingu | it matches, and marks; the route cache is mostly what drives forwarding. |
| 19:39.17 | catsup | Aque0s: manipulate routing tables with 'route' command or 'ip route' (which obsoletes 'route') |
| 19:39.30 | Titan8990 | xingu, thats interesting, didn't know that myself |
| 19:39.54 | Titan8990 | catsup, netstat -rn is available on more systems |
| 19:40.04 | xingu | Titan8990: take a look at ip route list cache sometime on a busy (multihomed) box :) |
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| 19:40.22 | lunk | Aque0s: iptables is a fancy filter with the ability to transform packets. After the filtering happens it's placed back into the stack and the routing tables really handles what interface a packet goes out. That routing table management can be static or dynamic w/ quagga. |
| 19:40.29 | Titan8990 | xingu, im sshed into one now hehe, i will have a look |
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| 19:40.44 | ret | can someone walk me through installing JRE for runescape? |
| 19:40.54 | catsup | Titan8990: that does not let you manipulate the routing table, that only prints it |
| 19:40.58 | cantoma | guys, the following website is crashing (Segmentation fault) my iceweasel (lenny, backdoor flashplugin-nonfree) -> http://sites.google.com/site/televissaoportuguesa/tvi-aldina20 can someone check?! |
| 19:41.12 | eptalon | ret: any jre, or the sun one? |
| 19:41.22 | ret | anything that will load RuneScape :P |
| 19:41.48 | eptalon | ret: I dont play runescape |
| 19:41.48 | Titan8990 | catsup, right, i didn't quite understand what you were telling him |
| 19:41.50 | lunk | ret: http://pastebin.com/m272be9a7 unzip java, put that in .bash_profile, logout, log back in |
| 19:42.02 | Titan8990 | catsup, manually added routes won't persist though |
| 19:42.04 | lunk | ret: set the java_home correctly and you're set |
| 19:42.15 | ret | O.O |
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| 19:43.29 | dumbisito | hi |
| 19:43.29 | ret | so um |
| 19:43.35 | ret | link, where is bash_profile? |
| 19:43.39 | ret | lunk* |
| 19:43.57 | catsup | lunk? |
| 19:43.59 | lunk | ret: your home directory .bash_profile |
| 19:44.03 | dumbisito | i have a dell mini 12.. i have a stupid question... |
| 19:44.04 | catsup | oh |
| 19:44.49 | lunk | catsup: ketchup? |
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| 19:44.49 | dumbisito | do i need another debian dist to install? |
| 19:44.49 | catsup | lunk: howdy =D |
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| 19:44.49 | dumbisito | because i try with debian stable i386 and it works.. |
| 19:44.50 | ret | I don't have a bash_profile |
| 19:44.50 | ret | >.> |
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| 19:45.26 | lunk | ret: create it |
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| 19:45.56 | lyons | why would someone use debian over ubuntu or vice versa? |
| 19:46.00 | catsup | all the cool kids have .zshrc |
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| 19:46.21 | Jemt | Hello again. I'm still having trouble getting a proper resolution on Debian 5.03. It seems like my laptop's monitor and the external monitor is treated as one. If I use xrandr to turn of LVDS, both monitors are turned off. If I turn off my laptop monitor using the Fn+F5 combination, the monitor is automatically turned back on, when I start gdm from a console. This "binding" forces the external monitor to use a very low resolution (1024x768 - the maximum resolutio |
| 19:46.22 | lyons | i want to use debian but everyone says to use ubuntu but has no reasons |
| 19:46.40 | catsup | lyons: ubuntu has a faster release cycle |
| 19:46.48 | Jemt | I'm not interested in dual head by the way - I just want a proper resolution on the external monitor :) |
| 19:46.57 | lunk | lyons: ubuntu is geared towards end users who want a pretty gui and debian is geared towards people who know what they want and no fluff |
| 19:47.00 | lyons | ok. well i don't care about cutting edge at all |
| 19:47.05 | Titan8990 | catsup, is that supposed to be a good thing? |
| 19:47.05 | lyons | and i'm mostly cli |
| 19:47.10 | xeon-enouf | xingu: what would 'ip route list cache' tell you what 'netstat -tunap' cannot/doesn't? |
| 19:47.13 | lyons | lunk, ok |
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| 19:47.32 | lyons | what about build tools for c++? |
| 19:47.37 | Titan8990 | catsup, because to me that just means you get an opportunity to break your system every 6 months |
| 19:47.40 | catsup | lyons: it tends to release more broken software, and its upgrades don't work as well, but with debian you might end up using really out-dated software, and unable to upgrade it [even though there is something called backports which allows you to upgrade it pretty easily] |
| 19:47.41 | lyons | will i have any problems with the release cycle? |
| 19:48.13 | Aque0s | OH |
| 19:48.14 | lyons | catsup, ah ok. This is making more sense now. Thanks |
| 19:48.14 | Aque0s | i understand! |
| 19:48.16 | catsup | the thing is, in order to use backports you kind of have to know what you are doing |
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| 19:48.18 | Titan8990 | lyons, debian releases are supported for a long time |
| 19:48.23 | xeon-enouf | Jemt: perhaps /msg dpkg laptop (can help?) find make/model, and OS |
| 19:48.24 | Aque0s | so iptables just MARKS the packets for whatever |
| 19:48.42 | xeon-enouf | Jemt: /msg dpkg dual monitors |
| 19:48.53 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, yep, thats what xingu was explaining |
| 19:49.09 | Aque0s | ah - sorry for being so thick :P |
| 19:49.21 | Aque0s | so, using quagga is a good idea even from the start? |
| 19:49.22 | lyons | Titan8990, well I prefer stable over 'latest'. It's just I need to have compatible build toolchain with the rest of my university. I guess it can't matter that much, can it? |
| 19:49.29 | lyons | most ppl are using ubuntu there, including the professor |
| 19:49.35 | catsup | another thing about ubuntu vs. debian is that the 'ubuntu community' is filled with noobs who don't understand anything |
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| 19:49.59 | Jemt | xeon-enouf: Thanks. "laptop" gives pretty general information. This worked fine on Debian 4, so I guess something changed. I'm expirencing problems on 3 different laptops, all forcing the laptop monitor to be turned on. But I'll dig deeper into it. |
| 19:50.10 | lyons | He said "I recommend Ubuntu. Use another distro at your own peril" |
| 19:50.20 | Titan8990 | lyons, i couldn't comment on toolchain differences for development |
| 19:50.26 | xeon-enouf | !tell Jemt about xorg,conf |
| 19:50.29 | Titan8990 | lyons, hes probably a newb... honestly |
| 19:50.36 | catsup | so if you use ubuntu you'll inevitably end up asking for help in #debian (after all ubuntu forums have failed) while trying to disguise the fact that your'e using ubuntu, which isn't as easy as you might think |
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| 19:50.53 | Titan8990 | !they don't know |
| 19:50.53 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:50.57 | xeon-enouf | Jemt: it (Xserver config) sure has changed ;-) |
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| 19:51.20 | lyons | hmm ok |
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| 19:51.49 | catsup | even google thuoghw ill give you better answers to your ubuntu questions if you say 'debian' instead of 'ubuntu' |
| 19:51.49 | lyons | Titan8990, well, I think he recommends ubuntu because the students are newbs |
| 19:51.52 | catsup | seriously try it |
| 19:51.56 | visitor | hey all. I installed php5 but the binary file php to run from the command line cannot be found. where might it be located or do I need to install something else? |
| 19:52.05 | lyons | I'm going to go with debian |
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| 19:52.09 | Jemt | xeon-enouf: Sure has. I was surprised to see that I couldn't use the old configuration file from Debian 4.x though. Isn't backward compatibility important for Debian? |
| 19:52.26 | xeon-enouf | sure you could Jemt |
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| 19:52.50 | lyons | so, besides the release cycle, is anything much different "under the hood"? |
| 19:52.52 | Jemt | xeon-enouf: True, I can - it's just not giving me the same result as on Debian 4 :) |
| 19:53.04 | lyons | it's the same filesystem layout and package managers and all |
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| 19:53.15 | visitor | apt-get install php5-cli .... ridiculous |
| 19:53.19 | lyons | repositories must be something different |
| 19:53.27 | visitor | redhat is SO much better! later! |
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| 19:53.43 | dumbisito | hi, again, i have a stupid question, i bought a dell mini 12, i install debian stable for i386 and it work "fine", i do the right things?? |
| 19:53.56 | dumbisito | or do i have to install another distro? |
| 19:54.03 | Aque0s | Titan8990: so, using quagga is a good idea even from the start - even for simple routing....? does it integrate seamlessly? |
| 19:54.11 | beardy | !customer |
| 19:54.12 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 19:54.19 | lyons | lol |
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| 19:54.51 | catsup | lyons: the differences other than release cycle are minimal afaik |
| 19:55.30 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, http://pastebin.com/d3b495f83 |
| 19:55.44 | lyons | ok. Debian it is |
| 19:55.46 | catsup | lyons: only a few things work slightly differently. i guess there is also a difference in the choices made for default installs |
| 19:55.50 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, we use that config on a router that functions as a gateway and a fiber link between two buildings |
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| 19:56.03 | Aque0s | thanks Titan8990 , checking it out now |
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| 19:58.57 | Aque0s | what is the smallest iso i can download? all i want is bash, apt-get, openssh, nano.. etc |
| 19:58.59 | Aque0s | like the real basics |
| 19:59.14 | PatrickBatman | hello! how do I configurat aptitude to default to allow-untrusted and assume-yes? |
| 19:59.14 | lyons | ah good question. I was just about to ask it |
| 19:59.15 | Titan8990 | netinst |
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| 19:59.47 | Titan8990 | PatrickBatman, wouldn't it be a better solution to install the gpg key for the repo that is untrusted? |
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| 19:59.51 | [Elvis] | hej guys |
| 19:59.59 | [Elvis] | I have the choice 32 or 64 bit |
| 20:00.07 | [Elvis] | what would you advise for a server? |
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| 20:00.13 | Aque0s | 64 |
| 20:00.18 | [Elvis] | reasons |
| 20:00.29 | Aque0s | speed? |
| 20:00.32 | Titan8990 | [Elvis], depends on your hardware and usage |
| 20:00.44 | [Elvis] | gonna be running vmware virtual servers |
| 20:00.45 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, 64bit != faster |
| 20:00.45 | Aque0s | all the server packages you will need will be available in 64 bit versions |
| 20:00.51 | Aque0s | it doesnt? |
| 20:00.52 | PatrickBatman | Titan8990: no it wouldn't, but thanks for asking. |
| 20:00.52 | Aque0s | hmm |
| 20:00.56 | Aque0s | k disregard what i said ;p |
| 20:02.13 | lunk | Aque0s: adding a second cable modem won't make a single download faster, but you can do more at once. Same (arguably) analogy for 32-bit vs 64-bit buses |
| 20:02.29 | Aque0s | ah |
| 20:02.30 | PatrickBatman | Hello! Since I trust my own repository, how might I configurat apt to allow untrusted by default? |
| 20:02.32 | Aque0s | makes sense |
| 20:02.54 | PatrickBatman | s/apt/aptitude/ |
| 20:03.03 | Aque0s | lunk: unless the app is coded to utilize 64bit? then wont it run faster? |
| 20:03.04 | [Elvis] | so what would be best for running virtual machines? |
| 20:03.09 | Aque0s | 64bit |
| 20:03.12 | Aque0s | yes |
| 20:03.14 | Aque0s | definately |
| 20:03.55 | Aque0s | for vm - 64bit and even better if your processor supports hardware virtualization |
| 20:04.12 | lunk | Aque0s: potentially |
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| 20:05.57 | PatrickBatman | would there be a better channel for advanced sysadmin questions? |
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| 20:06.51 | Titan8990 | PatrickBatman, no |
| 20:06.52 | Aque0s | Titan8990: netinst is 150mb :O (i386) - how come its so big? |
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| 20:07.24 | nsx | get the business card image if you want something more minimal |
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| 20:07.44 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, that is the most minimal debian system you can get |
| 20:07.58 | Aque0s | well, if netinst has what im going to dl anyway.. then ill get it - but is there a list of packages in netinst somewhere? |
| 20:08.08 | Titan8990 | the business card CD is smaller but needs to download some core system files from the internet |
| 20:08.34 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, if you want to fine-tune to that extreme, you should be using gentoo |
| 20:08.37 | nsx | Aque0s, it will download the packages you need/select through tasksel |
| 20:08.38 | PatrickBatman | Titan8990: would you know how to configurat apt to allow untrusted packages by default? |
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| 20:08.51 | Aque0s | yeah Titan8990 i checked out gentoo |
| 20:09.10 | PatrickBatman | Aptitude::CmdLine::AllowUntrusted=true in apt.conf format does not effect anything |
| 20:09.15 | Aque0s | but.. ive always used a debian based distro |
| 20:09.19 | Aque0s | so i thought id stick with it |
| 20:09.30 | nsx | Titan8990, I disagree.. you can unselect everything in tasksel, to get as minimal of a system as possible, then use apt to install what you want and only what you want |
| 20:09.38 | Aque0s | okay |
| 20:09.41 | Aque0s | netinst it is |
| 20:09.43 | nsx | I don't see how gentoo is going to better cater to such a desire |
| 20:09.43 | Titan8990 | nsx, right, but you can't get less than that |
| 20:09.56 | nsx | Titan8990, you can't get less than what's in the stage1 tarball in gentoo |
| 20:09.57 | nsx | point? |
| 20:10.14 | nsx | every system has a minimal amount of packages that make it what it is |
| 20:10.34 | [Elvis] | second question...would vmware require special kernel modifications |
| 20:10.36 | Aque0s | the only advantage of gentoo in that instance is packages being compiled natively, with the option of custom compile options and flags, so you get a micro speed increase? |
| 20:10.53 | Aque0s | [Elvis]: for what? |
| 20:10.54 | valdyn | [Elvis]: vmware *provides* special kernel modifications, aka modules |
| 20:10.59 | xeon-enouf | PatrickBatman: see /usr/share/doc/apt/config*examples or something |
| 20:11.06 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, there is also the advantage of full customization |
| 20:11.16 | Aque0s | yeah, suppose.. |
| 20:11.18 | nsx | Aque0s, I suppose the largest advantage is being able to better eliminate library dependencies you don't want.. gentoo makes that more convenient than apt does |
| 20:11.21 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, but I don't use it on servers... for that there is debian which i know will be stable |
| 20:11.45 | [Elvis] | hmm valdyn so the basic debian install, as provided |
| 20:11.46 | [Elvis] | would be fine |
| 20:11.48 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, there is nothing wrong with the base install of debian, just do it |
| 20:11.50 | [Elvis] | netinstall |
| 20:11.52 | nsx | apt-get source <package>, edit the configure flags in debian/rules, dpkg-makepkg, and you have the custom package you want |
| 20:12.00 | valdyn | [Elvis]: yes |
| 20:12.04 | nsx | that's not nearly as simple as just using gentoo's USE flags |
| 20:12.14 | nsx | but it's still a relatively easy method when you need it |
| 20:12.15 | Titan8990 | nsx, apt-build makes that easier |
| 20:12.28 | nsx | never used it |
| 20:12.34 | xeon-enouf | !dpkg-makepkg |
| 20:12.40 | nsx | I don't normally have the need to rebuild a package from source though |
| 20:12.40 | Aque0s | doesnt gentoo have its own package management system written in bash? or something? |
| 20:12.42 | Titan8990 | but i don't think either support custom CFLAGS |
| 20:12.48 | nsx | written in python, I believe |
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| 20:12.51 | Titan8990 | Aque0s, written in python |
| 20:12.53 | catsup | if you're thinking of using gentoo use funtoo |
| 20:12.53 | Aque0s | oh |
| 20:12.55 | Aque0s | my bad |
| 20:13.04 | Aque0s | nah ill stick with debian |
| 20:13.17 | catsup | gentoo is kind of dead i think |
| 20:13.26 | Titan8990 | catsup, not even close |
| 20:13.32 | catsup | srhgu |
| 20:13.38 | catsup | *shrug |
| 20:13.38 | Aque0s | yeah gentoo is very active |
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| 20:13.40 | valdyn | gentoo is neat for developers |
| 20:13.46 | Titan8990 | catsup, #gentoo is in the top 10 most popular channels on freenode |
| 20:13.48 | Aque0s | but id would say they have a much smaller following |
| 20:13.52 | valdyn | but the vocal people are the ricers , i guess |
| 20:14.11 | Titan8990 | catsup, more people in #gentoo than #debian in fact atm |
| 20:14.16 | xeon-enouf | pkg priority of important and required are as minimal you can get - not sure if base-install would also include priority standard |
| 20:14.31 | catsup | well robbins left gentoo, and the gentoo foundation fell apart |
| 20:14.44 | catsup | i admit though i haven't been following it |
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| 20:15.00 | xeon-enouf | !gentoosmite me and all involved |
| 20:15.00 | dpkg | spends 6 days recompiling me and all involved, and when it's all done, me and all involved runs 0.8% faster than previously |
| 20:15.04 | catsup | but to me funtoo seems unequivocally superior |
| 20:15.14 | valdyn | !funtoo |
| 20:15.28 | Titan8990 | catsup, that was 3 years ago.... |
| 20:15.32 | xeon-enouf | spuntoo? iDunno? |
| 20:15.34 | Titan8990 | catsup, why is that? |
| 20:15.44 | Titan8990 | !gentoosmite catsup |
| 20:15.44 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling catsup, and when it's all done, catsup runs 3% slower than previously |
| 20:15.55 | catsup | haha |
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| 20:16.41 | xeon-enouf | should've only done it 6 days - see above |
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| 20:17.16 | Karlita | May I please be so rude to ask. What is the "biggest" difference with debian and ubuntu? Is it not the same commands and software one uses? |
| 20:17.18 | catsup | probably my info is all out of date anyway/usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 20:17.22 | catsup | oops |
| 20:17.28 | Snadder | ANyone know which operating systems which supports upgrading from distro to distro just like debian does?.. fedora dosnt support that I've heard. |
| 20:17.44 | valdyn | Karlita: the packages installed by default |
| 20:17.59 | valdyn | Karlita: or - the expertise needed to get a gnome desktop |
| 20:18.00 | catsup | Karlita: the release cycles are different |
| 20:18.13 | xeon-enouf | Karlita: try them both, then create a wiki/website about each comparison ;-) |
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| 20:18.22 | catsup | you don't need any expertise to get a gnome desktop with either |
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| 20:18.43 | Karlita | So I don't get it. So it's basically the same? |
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| 20:18.53 | catsup | Karlita: the release cycle is very different |
| 20:19.00 | valdyn | Karlita: theres a very important difference as to which packages get support, but you probably dont notice that unless you need those differing packages in production |
| 20:19.14 | catsup | Karlita: ubuntu releases every 6 months, debian releases every 2 years |
| 20:19.19 | Karlita | wow |
| 20:19.23 | Titan8990 | Karlita, also ubuntu does not follow the dfsg |
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| 20:19.36 | Karlita | What is the dfsg? |
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| 20:19.46 | Titan8990 | !ytell Karlita about dfsg |
| 20:19.50 | Titan8990 | !tell Karlita about dfsg |
| 20:19.52 | Karlita | I started to show interest in linux for the past 2-3 days (never encountered it before). |
| 20:20.01 | Karlita | And alot of people told me ubuntu is most userfriendly |
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| 20:20.08 | Karlita | but checking wikis etc, they seem to have same commands |
| 20:20.08 | valdyn | Karlita: it probably is |
| 20:20.10 | Titan8990 | check your pm |
| 20:20.15 | Titan8990 | Karlita, yep probably is |
| 20:20.17 | catsup | Karlita: with debian if you use only stable you will end up using older software where with ubuntu you would have upgraded. but with ubuntu the upgrades aren't as smooth and bug-free. |
| 20:20.20 | Titan8990 | but the documentation is terrible |
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| 20:20.26 | xingu | xeon-enouf: mss, tos, rtt, ... |
| 20:20.28 | xingu | afk |
| 20:21.11 | catsup | there isn't going to be any difference with what people call 'userfriendly', because that's all gnome or kde |
| 20:21.24 | valdyn | catsup: except for the default install |
| 20:21.43 | Karlita | I see I see |
| 20:21.47 | xeon-enouf | xingu: er .. i forgot my question to you :-P .. wait.. ok - thank you ;-) |
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| 20:22.00 | catsup | if you choose to install a desktop in the lenny default install, you get gnome and gdm and everything, it will be just like ubuntu |
| 20:22.35 | Karlita | Are there differnece between memory/cpu usage? |
| 20:22.42 | valdyn | Karlita: no |
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| 20:23.21 | Titan8990 | catsup, thats not true... completely |
| 20:23.40 | catsup | how so |
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| 20:23.44 | valdyn | Karlita: the difference is the installed packages - obviously different packages might result in different ram / cpu usage, but that is configurable in both distros both ways |
| 20:23.46 | Titan8990 | catsup, ubuntu is going to use newer gnome version, never xorg version, have their own tools such as their crappy driver manager |
| 20:24.04 | catsup | maybe in the future, but not right now |
| 20:24.07 | Titan8990 | those types of things |
| 20:24.12 | Karlita | valdyn, forgive my lack of knowdlege now, but packages is what exactly? Like different software packages? |
| 20:24.17 | Titan8990 | catsup, what do you mean not right now? |
| 20:24.21 | valdyn | Karlita: yes, exactly |
| 20:24.36 | catsup | i mean lenny is up to date right now, or anyway, pretty close |
| 20:24.41 | valdyn | Karlita: whats your background? windows? |
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| 20:24.54 | Aque0s | my background is windows |
| 20:25.16 | Aque0s | only been playing with linux for... like 2 months |
| 20:25.19 | Aque0s | its awesome!! |
| 20:25.36 | Karlita | Yes valdyn. I came across linux 2-3 days ago when I rented a seedbox. And I tried to install something and someone told me to upgrade my linux (i had debian 4). And found it pretty interesting |
| 20:25.41 | Titan8990 | catsup, lenny uses gnome 2.22, latest stable is 2.26 |
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| 20:25.53 | valdyn | Karlita: you would want debian 5 |
| 20:25.53 | catsup | that's not a major release is it |
| 20:26.15 | Titan8990 | major? no |
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| 20:26.24 | Karlita | valdyn: yes I did a upgrade, if I am not mistaking Titan8990 did a command so dpkg sent me howto =) |
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| 20:26.40 | catsup | Titan8990: close enough then =D |
| 20:26.55 | Karlita | So now I am running on 5, and trying rtorrent out =). Pretty different enviroment than windows. Or shall I say ALOT. |
| 20:27.13 | valdyn | Karlita: depends on which packages you chose |
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| 20:27.38 | Karlita | valdyn: well evreything needs a commando! that is hard to remember |
| 20:27.45 | valdyn | Karlita: no |
| 20:27.47 | d_b | My computer was turned off (incorrectly) and now my volume control in the upper right corner controls microphone, instead of master sound for some odd reason. How can I change it back? |
| 20:27.49 | Karlita | No? :S |
| 20:27.51 | valdyn | Karlita: you could use transmission |
| 20:27.56 | valdyn | Karlita: that would be in your menu |
| 20:27.59 | Karlita | Ah you're talking about torrents |
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| 20:28.20 | Karlita | Yes I downloaded transmission. But this is not a good computer, so I got rtorrent (I am using it and working). |
| 20:28.20 | wildc4rd_ | evening all |
| 20:28.27 | Karlita | I mean overall the linux enviroment is hard |
| 20:28.35 | valdyn | Karlita: no |
| 20:28.43 | Karlita | I don't understand how people learn it. I mean in windows you click your way to everything :P |
| 20:28.49 | lord-zk | how I can setup firfox in debian 5? |
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| 20:29.07 | valdyn | Karlita: linux is used the same way as unix which is 30 years old, on the command line |
| 20:29.09 | d_b | Karlita: rtorrent is pretty easy, you only need to remember a few things. Set it up so you drop the .torrent files into different folders which makes the downloads go to other different folders and it's easy :) |
| 20:29.17 | valdyn | Karlita: contrary to windows you will *never* have to relearn things |
| 20:29.55 | valdyn | Karlita: on top of that you do get graphical tools for almost anything, which makes it quite similar to windows |
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| 20:30.12 | Karlita | valdyn: Agreed on that point, but to get to know everything. Seems like a ocean of knowledge. |
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| 20:30.41 | Karlita | d_b: Yes I found that to be very cool =) Using it right now. Only thing I miss is th eability to use multitackers (I am an uploader so my torrents goes to 3-4 trackers) |
| 20:30.42 | valdyn | Karlita: Sure, at the start. |
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| 20:30.52 | Aque0s | lord-zk: use apt-get install firefox3 ? |
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| 20:31.22 | valdyn | Karlita: you could use azureus, thats huge and bloated, but the most feature rich torrent client |
| 20:31.26 | lord-zk | Aque0s: E: Couldn't find package firefox3 |
| 20:31.33 | leejongwook | can't play .mkv format |
| 20:31.37 | Aque0s | k, let me check cahce |
| 20:31.38 | d_b | Karlita: if you figure it out let me know, I haven't solved uploads. I use Transmission for that (too lazy to figure it out myself) |
| 20:31.45 | enmerkar | lord-zk: apt-cache search firefox |
| 20:31.47 | Karlita | lord-zk: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=27424 |
| 20:31.52 | valdyn | leejongwook: why cant you? |
| 20:32.02 | leejongwook | no sound |
| 20:32.09 | leejongwook | don't know why |
| 20:32.09 | lord-zk | Karlita:enmerkar:Aque0s: thanks :) |
| 20:32.21 | Aque0s | apt-get install firefox-3.0 |
| 20:32.22 | enmerkar | leejongwook: sounds like your mkv file is broken |
| 20:32.32 | Karlita | d_b: Well also transmission doesn't support multitrackers. Or does it? Mine does not work, so I am running utorrent + wine |
| 20:32.44 | leejongwook | i think it's ok |
| 20:32.46 | Karlita | valdyn: Yes vuze is nice. However demanding. The seedbox I am on is a bad celeron |
| 20:32.52 | valdyn | d_b: right click on the speaker icon -> properties |
| 20:33.06 | Aque0s | lord-zk: rather use dpkg to manage the installation instead of installing from source |
| 20:33.09 | Aque0s | its cleaner imo |
| 20:33.20 | leejongwook | do i need to install some codecs for mkv ? |
| 20:33.42 | valdyn | leejongwook: mkv is a container, if you just get no sound then you can already play mkv |
| 20:33.55 | d_b | valdyn: I've tried right clicking and choosing Preferences but evn if I choose another device (my sound card instead of mic) it doesn't actually change |
| 20:34.00 | Aque0s | leejongwook: what are you using to playback video? |
| 20:34.02 | valdyn | leejongwook: an mkv can contain any type of sound, which you might be able to play or not |
| 20:34.07 | valdyn | leejongwook: try using mplayer |
| 20:34.10 | Aque0s | yeah |
| 20:34.13 | Aque0s | mplayer or vlc |
| 20:34.16 | leejongwook | i played it with mplayer |
| 20:34.16 | Karlita | Does vlc exist for linux? |
| 20:34.17 | Aque0s | or xine |
| 20:34.18 | Karlita | Oh cool |
| 20:34.22 | Aque0s | yes ofc |
| 20:34.38 | leejongwook | i have vuze and downloaded some. and it's all mkv format |
| 20:34.55 | Aque0s | well, does it specify what codec was used to encode the audio? |
| 20:34.58 | valdyn | leejongwook: run "mplayer file.mkv" and put the output on a paste site |
| 20:35.10 | leejongwook | ok :) |
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| 20:36.05 | Karlita | I was wondering about one thing, does the internet speed, affect if you are using windows or linux? as in, is it "faster" in linux? |
| 20:36.10 | PatrickBatman | hello! how do I configure aptitude to default to allow-untrusted and assume-yes? |
| 20:36.15 | leejongwook | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/m42c138f6 |
| 20:36.17 | valdyn | Karlita: not significantly |
| 20:36.40 | valdyn | leejongwook: that is not the whole output |
| 20:36.49 | leejongwook | that's all |
| 20:37.01 | d_b | ok so I just checked alsamixer and my usb microphone is now device 0 and sound card is device 1, so the order was switched around. Is there a way of changing it back? |
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| 20:37.22 | valdyn | leejongwook: mplayer -v Apartment\ Vuse.mkv then |
| 20:37.45 | Aque0s | Karlita: um.. shouldnt be no |
| 20:37.46 | leejongwook | same |
| 20:37.58 | valdyn | leejongwook: that does not make sense at all |
| 20:38.03 | valdyn | leejongwook: is that file empty? |
| 20:38.08 | leejongwook | no |
| 20:38.18 | leejongwook | wanna see my screen shot ? |
| 20:38.21 | Karlita | This is fun. People are so friendly here |
| 20:38.27 | leejongwook | i have apache |
| 20:38.30 | leejongwook | (i think) |
| 20:38.35 | valdyn | leejongwook: you'd always get "Playing file.mkv" |
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| 20:39.30 | Aque0s | leejongwook: so you get video but no sound? |
| 20:39.32 | Karlita | valdyn: You know what th ebiggest issue I have is? Is my hardware supported ?.. That's something important to me |
| 20:39.36 | leejongwook | yes :) |
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| 20:39.59 | valdyn | Karlita: hmmm? your system is running, so its obviously supported |
| 20:40.06 | Aque0s | Karlita: 90% chance it is supported |
| 20:40.27 | valdyn | more like 99% for everything older than a year |
| 20:40.31 | Aque0s | yeah |
| 20:40.33 | Aque0s | :P |
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| 20:40.38 | Aque0s | Karlita: i just keep to realtek NICs and sound cards |
| 20:40.40 | Aque0s | oh |
| 20:40.43 | Aque0s | and ALWAYS nvidia |
| 20:40.51 | leejongwook | do you know why ? |
| 20:41.03 | Aque0s | why your sound is not working? |
| 20:41.17 | Karlita | valdyn: I am on windows.. I rent a linux server that i use as a seedbox |
| 20:41.20 | leejongwook | only with mkv |
| 20:41.28 | valdyn | Karlita: you can always try with a ubuntu live cd : if it runs there you can get any (modern) distro to run and support the same stuff |
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| 20:41.46 | Aque0s | leejongwook: not without more info no... and im still quite new to linux stuff ;) |
| 20:41.58 | Karlita | Ah okey valdyn, I will certainly try that |
| 20:42.11 | leejongwook | ok thanks anyway :) |
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| 20:42.31 | Aque0s | leejongwook: umm, i would install vlc if u were u |
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| 20:42.54 | leejongwook | ok :) |
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| 20:43.33 | Aque0s | apt-get install vlc |
| 20:44.04 | leejongwook | Aque0s, cool now it's working |
| 20:44.04 | Aque0s | with vlc? |
| 20:44.06 | leejongwook | yes :) |
| 20:44.11 | Aque0s | cool man :) |
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| 20:44.38 | leejongwook | hm.. but i like mplayer more |
| 20:44.45 | Aque0s | well |
| 20:44.49 | Aque0s | try it in mplayer now |
| 20:44.57 | Aque0s | maybe vlc installed the codec u needed |
| 20:45.18 | leejongwook | same, no sound |
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| 20:46.14 | jetscreamer | there's a codec package on the mplayerhq site |
| 20:46.15 | Aque0s | hmm |
| 20:46.16 | Aque0s | well |
| 20:46.17 | Aque0s | bear with me |
| 20:46.22 | Aque0s | im fishing |
| 20:46.22 | Aque0s | try |
| 20:46.27 | Aque0s | apt-get install libmatroska faad2 |
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| 20:46.39 | leejongwook | :) thanks |
| 20:46.54 | leejongwook | E: Couldn't find package libmatroska |
| 20:47.02 | Aque0s | oh |
| 20:47.02 | Aque0s | hmm |
| 20:47.03 | leejongwook | are you using testing ? |
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| 20:47.06 | jetscreamer | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html |
| 20:47.10 | leejongwook | i'm using lenny |
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| 20:47.20 | valdyn | libmatroska0 |
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| 20:47.38 | Pupuser402-1 | can someone pastebin there debian squeeze grub boot menu.lst |
| 20:47.48 | leejongwook | i think i have installed all the codecs from mplayerhq.hu |
| 20:47.56 | jetscreamer | matroksa works fine with mplayer under windows, you're def doing something wrong :) |
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| 20:48.27 | leejongwook | works with libmatroska0, installed |
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| 20:49.24 | Aque0s | so its working now? |
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| 20:49.44 | leejongwook | no :( |
| 20:49.51 | sphenxes | i am going to install virtualbox on my debian desktop? I was planning to put my ftp and email server on it in order to get rid of any security problems (to keep my unsecure ports in the virtualbox, i case i am hacked, will reinstall my vb once more). however a friend of mine told me if someone hacked virtualbox he can access my data on my Debian machine. my question: is that really possible and how? |
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| 20:50.13 | valdyn | sphenxes: its not |
| 20:50.18 | Aque0s | sphenxes: yes its not |
| 20:50.44 | sphenxes | valdyn, Aque0s thanks |
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| 20:51.07 | BillyBoy | hi |
| 20:51.12 | Aque0s | Pupuser402-1: i have an ubuntu 8.10 desktop menu.lst |
| 20:51.14 | Aque0s | you want? |
| 20:51.31 | Pupuser402-1 | k aque0s |
| 20:51.37 | jetscreamer | looks in horror |
| 20:51.55 | Aque0s | http://pastebin.com/m44393fe0 |
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| 20:52.09 | Aque0s | it looks pretty generic |
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| 20:52.25 | dumbisito | hi, again, i have a stupid question, i bought a dell mini 12, i install debian stable for i386 and it work "fine", i do the right things?? |
| 20:52.34 | Aque0s | ... |
| 20:52.42 | Aque0s | dont fix what isnt broken? |
| 20:52.45 | jetscreamer | it's not broken? OMG! |
| 20:52.45 | valdyn | dumbisito: is there a problem? |
| 20:53.02 | Aque0s | rofl. |
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| 20:53.38 | dumbisito | valdyn, well.. no.. only the video driver |
| 20:53.47 | dumbisito | i cant found anything about GMA 500 |
| 20:53.51 | dumbisito | but.. i'm using vesa |
| 20:53.58 | Aque0s | GMA 500.. intel graphics? |
| 20:54.00 | valdyn | dumbisito: that one is not supported in linux |
| 20:54.01 | dumbisito | yes |
| 20:54.13 | Aque0s | then ur stuck with vesa |
| 20:54.16 | valdyn | dumbisito: theres some shitty binary only driver somewhere |
| 20:54.22 | dumbisito | valdyn, but im thinking that maybe isnt the arch.. i mean (i386) |
| 20:54.37 | valdyn | dumbisito: it wouldnt run at all if the arch was wrong |
| 20:54.43 | Aque0s | you could probably fiddle with xorg.conf to make it better but otherwise ur stuck |
| 20:54.54 | Aque0s | brb |
| 20:54.56 | jetscreamer | unless it could do amd64 |
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| 20:55.13 | jetscreamer | but it woulnd't be 'worng' |
| 20:55.21 | valdyn | not on a mac mini |
| 20:55.23 | valdyn | i wouldnt |
| 20:56.12 | Aque0s | its not a mac |
| 20:56.14 | Aque0s | its a dell |
| 20:56.22 | valdyn | nor dell mini |
| 20:56.39 | dumbisito | is a dell mini |
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| 20:56.58 | Matson | upgrade done |
| 20:57.00 | Matson | thanks all |
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| 20:57.39 | rares_ | is 2.6.31 coming out soon? |
| 20:57.56 | rares_ | my intel_agp chipset needs help |
| 20:58.01 | jetscreamer | so why is everything that i don't have installed always marked as a new package in sid's dselect |
| 20:58.22 | justin | people still use dselect? |
| 20:58.30 | jetscreamer | just 2 |
| 20:58.50 | jetscreamer | that i know of |
| 20:59.10 | adb | dpkg, tell rares_ -about kernel |
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| 21:01.37 | Pupuser402-1 | can someone please correct my grub boot menu.lst here it is http://pastebin.com/d2c43bf08 |
| 21:01.42 | fbc-mx | when I type /proc/cpuinfo I get a -bash: /proc/cpuinfo: Permission denied |
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| 21:01.54 | Aque0s | are you root? |
| 21:01.55 | fbc-mx | Pupuser402-1, that all depends on how your partitions are configured |
| 21:02.00 | asg | fbc-mx: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:02.01 | fbc-mx | Aque0s, yup |
| 21:02.05 | adb | rares_, /msg judd kernel |
| 21:02.09 | jetscreamer | and does anybody know why the menus in icewm are kinda borked... just the looks though, the last one you were on (when you go to the expanded one) is blurry/overwritten |
| 21:02.38 | jetscreamer | it's kernel, then iniitrd |
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| 21:02.47 | jetscreamer | and specify the kernel on the kernel line |
| 21:02.53 | Pupuser402-1 | my partition are as follows /dev/sda1 is windows /dev/sda6 / and /dev/sda7 is /home |
| 21:03.13 | jetscreamer | kernel initrd.img-2.6.30-1-686 root=/dev/sda6 <-- wrong |
| 21:03.31 | fbc-mx | asg, I think I'm miss reading this.. I think it says I have 8 quad core processors... |
| 21:03.40 | Pupuser402-1 | jetscreamer what should it be |
| 21:03.58 | asg | fbc-mx: it's showing 8 cores most likely |
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| 21:04.22 | fbc-mx | asg, http://pastebin.ca/1568882 |
| 21:04.26 | jetscreamer | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-whateve root=whatever ro .... initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 21:04.32 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 21:04.50 | asg | fbc-mx: yeah, 8 cores |
| 21:04.59 | \amethyst | fbc-mx: that's showing either two quad-core CPUs, or a quad core CPU with hyperthreading |
| 21:05.06 | asg | fbc-mx: the model name is repeated for each |
| 21:05.32 | fbc-mx | \amethyst, 2 quad cores |
| 21:05.44 | fbc-mx | asg, ahhh |
| 21:05.45 | jetscreamer | that's a line for the kernel, then a second line for initrd |
| 21:06.41 | jetscreamer | vmlinuz-2.6.30-1-686 at a guess |
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| 21:07.09 | jetscreamer | wheeee time for work |
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| 21:07.38 | becky | time to go to bed :) |
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| 21:08.06 | leejongwook | Aque0s, @_@ thanks for vlc, no more waste my time to play mkv sound with mplayer, |
| 21:08.06 | Pupuser402-1 | can someone me the correct boot command for debian squeeze for instance like /boot/vmlinuz ...etc |
| 21:08.12 | Pupuser402-1 | can someone me the correct boot command for debian squeeze for instance like /boot/vmlinuz ...etc |
| 21:08.15 | fbc-mx | asg, yeah I just noticed that there are actuallo only two physical ids the first set of cores is physical id 0 and the second is 1 |
| 21:08.27 | Aque0s | leejongwook: my pleasure, i hope you work out a solution for mplayer... |
| 21:08.33 | leejongwook | :) |
| 21:08.36 | asg | fbc-mx: yep |
| 21:08.56 | caraconan | Hi. I get this: /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstopdf failed. Some help? I've been deleted cups, reinstalled and added the printer again |
| 21:09.08 | \amethyst | oh, I forgot about the physical ID... and also that AMD doesn't do SMT/hyperthreading |
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| 21:09.39 | asg | \amethyst: there is an 'ht' flag though |
| 21:09.44 | caraconan | More info: http://pastebin.com/m36a5bae5 |
| 21:10.18 | Pupuser402-1 | so i correct the grub menu, can someone please check it, i am new to this |
| 21:10.30 | Pupuser402-1 | http://pastebin.com/d70472c52 |
| 21:10.44 | riot | is there a current howto for truecrypt? the net gives only 2+ year old stuff |
| 21:11.18 | asg | Pupuser402-1: you need a 'kernel' line also |
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| 21:11.51 | Pupuser402-1 | asg i am not following, can show me an example |
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| 21:11.54 | c03 | hi |
| 21:11.59 | c03 | I have no sound in second x server |
| 21:12.03 | c03 | which I start with xinit |
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| 21:12.25 | c03 | to start starcraft in 16 bit |
| 21:12.38 | dbbolton | after upgrading to xorg 7.4 in swueeze, my touchpad no longer works. how i can i get it working again? |
| 21:12.45 | asg | Pupuser402-1: kernel/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda3 ro <---- something like that that |
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| 21:13.45 | asg | Pupuser402-1: and remove the root= part from your initrd line |
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| 21:14.44 | Pupuser402-1 | asg how about this http://pastebin.com/d7d789854 |
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| 21:15.38 | asg | Pupuser402-1: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda6 ro <--- put that before the initrd line and |
| 21:15.56 | asg | Pupuser402-1: remove '/dev/sda6 boot' from the initrd line |
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| 21:18.02 | asg | Pupuser402-1: also, make sure the kernel and initrd versions match what you have (i.e., 2.6.30-1-686) |
| 21:18.20 | Pupuser402-1 | asg how about this http://pastebin.com/d29243e7 |
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| 21:19.26 | asg | Pupuser402-1: put a space between kernel and /vmlinuz ... also, remove /boot from the initrd line |
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| 21:20.44 | Pupuser402-1 | asg how about this http://pastebin.com/d38fe649a |
| 21:20.50 | jetscreamer | his kernel and initrd are in / ? |
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| 21:21.01 | jetscreamer | usually they get put in /boot don't they |
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| 21:21.47 | asg | jetscreamer: not on my lenny system but his might be different |
| 21:21.48 | jetscreamer | or is this some grub2 weirdness |
| 21:22.11 | jetscreamer | ? (it's been /boot for years) |
| 21:22.13 | Pupuser402-1 | jetscreamer, asg i am on grub-legacy |
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| 21:22.39 | asg | Pupuser402-1: you need a '/' before the initrd .... (i.e., initrd /initrd.img-2.6.30-1-686) |
| 21:22.44 | jetscreamer | the vmlinz symlink gets put in / iirc... not sure been a while since i used it |
| 21:23.01 | asg | Pupuser402-1: try that, if it doesn't work, but /boot infront of both the kernel and initrd |
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| 21:24.13 | jetscreamer | i won't let sid install grub2 yet, even though grub1 is deprecated afaik ... couldn't figure out the grub2 equiv of savedefault when i tried it some months ago |
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| 21:24.48 | Pupuser402-1 | asg like this http://pastebin.com/daea7a30 |
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| 21:25.15 | asg | Pupuser402-1: yep |
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| 21:25.27 | Pupuser402-1 | thanks a million Asg |
| 21:25.35 | Pupuser402-1 | thanks jetscreamer |
| 21:25.46 | Pupuser402-1 | standby i will be back |
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| 21:26.58 | jetscreamer | dammit my pockets are still wet :( |
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| 21:27.41 | asg | jetscreamer: beer belongs in your gullet, we've covered this before |
| 21:27.54 | shyam_k | i have a video being played on totem whose' original file got deleted.. but the video is still playing and i can seek forward and backward too.. where can i find the totem's buffer for that video?(so that i can regain the lost file) i have a file of 0 bytes at /tmp/totem-shyam*** |
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| 21:28.26 | shyam_k | the video is of 30mb.. |
| 21:29.17 | jetscreamer | that would be my shirt :) ... later |
| 21:29.44 | asg | shyam_k: you might look at debugfs (don't close totem or it will unlink the file making it harder.) |
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| 21:30.29 | engla | asg: is it possible to pick out the file from /proc/*totempid*/fd? |
| 21:30.37 | engla | is a random spectator |
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| 21:31.22 | shyam_k | can i search for a buffer of size 30mb? on /proc or /tmp instead? |
| 21:31.27 | shyam_k | s/buffer/file/ |
| 21:31.31 | asg | engla: possibly but he really needs the inode. He can use debugfs then to copy it somewhere perhaps. |
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| 21:33.39 | shyam_k | reads man debugfs |
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| 21:35.17 | sneezewort | Is anyone familiar with ISCSI? |
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| 21:36.16 | markybob_ | !anyone |
| 21:36.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:37.16 | sneezewort | Does the ISCSI initiator see the lun as a local disk? |
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| 21:38.29 | Arafangion | Hello, how do I set up ntpdate correctly? |
| 21:38.35 | Arafangion | I'm *trying* to sync my clock. |
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| 21:38.48 | Arafangion | When I use ntpdate, however, I get: 17 Sep 07:37:22 ntpdate[6642]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 21:38.52 | sneezewort | In other words if I map a windows network drive to a linux NFS share It can read and write with no probs, but If I mount an ISCSI lun it sees it as a local ntfs disk and can therefore not read or write ntfs. |
| 21:39.25 | sneezewort | I mean ext3 not ntfs. |
| 21:39.39 | sneezewort | ....long day. |
| 21:40.01 | Titan8990 | according to wikipedia the LUN is only part of the disc name in unix |
| 21:40.18 | Titan8990 | the Unix family of operating systems, these IDs are often combined into a single "name". For example, /dev/dsk/c1t2d3s4 would refer to controller 1, target 2, disk 3, slice 4. |
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| 21:40.49 | Arafangion | How do I fix ntpdate? |
| 21:41.28 | P_Kable | i need a command to change files extension on multiple files, any idea ? *.nzp to *.bzp |
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| 21:42.27 | Titan8990 | Arafangion, the daemon should actually be able to handle that |
| 21:42.27 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, #bash |
| 21:42.32 | sneezewort | I meant if I connect to a debian iscsi target from a windows iscsi initiator will it see it as an unreadable ext3 disk? |
| 21:42.35 | \amethyst | P_Kable: prename 's/nzp$/bzp/' *.nzp |
| 21:42.43 | Arafangion | Titan8990: How do I find out if it is? |
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| 21:43.07 | P_Kable | \amethyst: thnks it worked |
| 21:43.26 | CodeNinja | ok, so I've got a folder called /web setup for hosting our clients data.. I've got permissions 570 -R /web and owned by www-data:www_admins (of which I belong to), but I cannot create a directory or file.. why? |
| 21:43.28 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, this is not correct but its going to be something like: find . -name '*.nzp' -type f -exec bash -c mv "$1" "$1".bzp -- {} \; |
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| 21:46.29 | Titan8990 | Arafangion, /etc/init.d/ntp status |
| 21:46.43 | Titan8990 | Arafangion, if your timezone is set wrong you need to: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 21:46.44 | felix__ | Hi, i ve got a hdd with data, another without. i d like to have them in a raid 1. how can i specify that the sync process copies data from hdd a to hdd b ? |
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| 21:47.02 | Arafangion | Timezone's incorrect, but that status command is what I wanted, thanks. |
| 21:47.08 | Titan8990 | Arafangion, and the following command will update time immediatly: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 21:47.18 | Arafangion | Thanks. |
| 21:47.20 | Titan8990 | but not if the daemon is already running |
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| 21:47.33 | Arafangion | That's the issue. I think the time is mostly correct now. |
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| 21:48.19 | Titan8990 | Arafangion, hehe your actually lucky i hadn't set up my ntp yet so i was able to do it myself then explain it |
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| 21:48.34 | Arafangion | Titan8990: Thanks. :) |
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| 21:49.28 | Titan8990 | anytime |
| 21:49.33 | shyam_k | engla: asg /proc/<totem-pid>/fd/ only have 64 sized symlinks;-) how to get the inode of the deleted file? |
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| 21:49.43 | rares | when i do apt-get update kernel 2.6.31 doesn't come up |
| 21:50.05 | shyam_k | /proc/totem-pid/fd/ have a symlink pointing to the file and emacs dired shows it as (deleted) |
| 21:50.32 | Titan8990 | rares, should it? |
| 21:51.49 | shyam_k | HAHAHAHAHA! i just opened fd/symlink-to-icecat-cache and then i got the file having FLV on the header i just C-x C-w (save as) it and thats it! |
| 21:52.11 | shyam_k | thanks a lot engla, asg;-) |
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| 21:57.31 | Titan8990 | shyam_k, emacs ftw |
| 21:57.56 | zleap | vi |
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| 21:58.00 | zleap | ducks |
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| 22:00.49 | yaaar | i'm noticing a couple real weird things when i'm logged in ssh on my new lenny server: 1)occasionally I "lose my echo" ...i can type commands and the output will show up, but I can't see what i typed on the prompt; it doesn't echo it. 2)Every time I use 'su' to become root it rejects the password the first time...even when I input it correctly. The second time it always works fine |
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| 22:00.59 | yaaar | anybody know what that's all about? |
| 22:01.53 | catsup | haha su error sure sounds like man in the middle stealing your password |
| 22:02.37 | catsup | error 1 sounds more like terminal mode got screwed up, try typing 'reset' |
| 22:03.03 | yaaar | catsup: not unless somebody managed to hack my box while it was behind a router with no ports forwarded, in the first 5 minutes it was up as i installed openssh |
| 22:03.40 | slidesinger | just installed lenny on a new box, strange keyboard issue. The keyboard keystroke repeat function is not working. Any idea how I can fix this? |
| 22:03.41 | yaaar | hmm. will try reset next time that happens |
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| 22:04.28 | [great] | buona sera |
| 22:05.06 | [great] | ragazzi ho un piccolo problemino. Il mio computer (debian 5 server casereccio) dopo alcune ore di attività si disconnette |
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| 22:05.23 | catsup | yaaar: sure why not, maybe it's the machine you're accessing it from anyway |
| 22:05.23 | [great] | ops |
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| 22:06.08 | yaaar | catsup: i've tried from more than one machine |
| 22:06.36 | unitypunk | hey |
| 22:06.53 | unitypunk | is there a way to send messages to a user on my debian desktop? |
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| 22:07.11 | unitypunk | like a popup in gnome? |
| 22:07.13 | sepult | oh man |
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| 22:07.16 | sepult | not again |
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| 22:07.23 | sepult | swap dirt got in |
| 22:07.25 | sepult | urgh |
| 22:07.30 | unitypunk | swap dirt? lol |
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| 22:07.42 | karme | unitypunk: are you root? |
| 22:07.43 | unitypunk | my computer dosnet have a swapdrive atm lol |
| 22:07.49 | unitypunk | karme: i have root |
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| 22:07.52 | sepult | yes i was trying to setup a chroot, without using schroot first |
| 22:08.08 | karme | unitypunk: simplest is to switch to the same user and set DISPLAY |
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| 22:08.23 | Titan8990 | with apt-build is there any way to resume a world build if apt-build errors out on a build? |
| 22:08.25 | sepult | now it seems i got packages from not only lenny but elsewhere too |
| 22:08.25 | unitypunk | so if hes logged in as alpha |
| 22:08.30 | unitypunk | and i log in as alpha |
| 22:08.38 | unitypunk | and do that command |
| 22:08.45 | unitypunk | itll let me send things to his display? |
| 22:08.47 | karme | unitypunk: zenity for example |
| 22:08.56 | karme | unitypunk: if you set DISPLAY correctly |
| 22:09.12 | unitypunk | okay |
| 22:09.17 | unitypunk | so im logged in as the same user. |
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| 22:09.45 | unitypunk | set DISPLAY gave no output :-/ |
| 22:10.17 | bayer | i just upgraded to lenny, and now my apache is only listening on tcp6 port 80 (not tcp 80) how can i get it to listen on ip4 port 80 again? |
| 22:10.38 | karme | unitypunk: DISPLAY is a environment variable |
| 22:10.54 | karme | unitypunk: it specifies the X server to which x clients will connect |
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| 22:11.11 | karme | unitypunk: most of the time this will be :0 |
| 22:11.17 | unitypunk | so the command would be set :0 |
| 22:11.18 | pingou | hi :) |
| 22:11.20 | pingou | I can only upload my files with a permissions of 600 while I have local_umask=022, anon_umask=022 and file_open_mode=0666 in the config file |
| 22:11.23 | rares | Titan8990, judd and dpkg claim it's available |
| 22:11.38 | Titan8990 | !kernels |
| 22:11.40 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20090916, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.31-git5, mainline 2.6: 2.6.31 , stable 2.6: 2.6.31 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.7 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.28: 2.6.28.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.34 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.6 |
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| 22:12.48 | Titan8990 | judd versions linux-image-686 |
| 22:12.50 | judd | Titan8990: linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.30+20 squeeze: 2.6.30+20 |
| 22:12.56 | unitypunk | hmm |
| 22:13.16 | karme | unitypunk: which shell do you use? |
| 22:13.28 | unitypunk | bash |
| 22:13.30 | Titan8990 | rares, dpkg's info looks completely wrong, or i don't know how to read it |
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| 22:13.50 | adb | judd, kernels |
| 22:13.51 | judd | adb: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 22:13.53 | CodeNinja | in iptables using -s 192.168.0.0/32 will allow 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 right? |
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| 22:14.33 | karme | unitypunk: to set a environment variable in bash you just do: DISPLAY=":0" - if you want subprocessed to inherit the environment variable you export it - in short export DISPLAY=":0" |
| 22:14.41 | Titan8990 | rares, i doubt thats ready for use |
| 22:14.50 | Titan8990 | adb, thanks |
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| 22:16.13 | unitypunk | keep getting Gtk-Warning |
| 22:16.17 | unitypunk | cannot open display |
| 22:16.23 | unitypunk | when i try zenity. |
| 22:16.26 | karme | unitypunk: echo $DISPLAY |
| 22:16.43 | unitypunk | :0 like you said |
| 22:17.08 | karme | unitypunk: ps aux|grep X |
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| 22:17.41 | unitypunk | and plenty oof output. |
| 22:18.16 | joltcan | CodeNinja: /24 |
| 22:18.20 | karme | unitypunk: you are only interested in the arguments passed to the X server |
| 22:18.45 | unitypunk | i dont know what any of that output really means. |
| 22:19.25 | joltcan | CodeNinja: /32 is the smallest net, only one host. I really recommend ipcalc which would help you with any conversion between bitmask and subnet sizes |
| 22:19.35 | CodeNinja | joltcan: thanks, turns out I should use -m iprange --src-range 192.168.0.2-192.168.0.254 |
| 22:19.46 | slidesinger | Blast, it is an X problem, just like my screen resolution. |
| 22:20.09 | karme | unitypunk: i guess you need to read up some basics? (ps lists processes, '|' means pipe output of that program to next one, grep is to search within input) |
| 22:20.10 | benedikt | CodeNinja: /32 means that the part that "doesnt change" is 32 bits = the whole address. 192.168.1 takes 24 bits to represent, thus the notation should be /24 |
| 22:20.29 | karme | unitypunk: see also: man bash, man ps, man grep |
| 22:20.44 | benedikt | CodeNinja: i would recomend to use the network rather then IP range. less work for netfilter |
| 22:20.45 | unitypunk | i know that ps lists processes. |
| 22:21.09 | unitypunk | dont understand " pipe output to the nextone? |
| 22:21.29 | unitypunk | is that like a line of travel? |
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| 22:21.50 | karme | unitypunk: the output of the "ps" program is passed as input to the "grep" program |
| 22:22.03 | PinkFreud | hi, folks. I'm having an odd issue after upgrading an older apache2 install to 2.2.9-10+lenny4 |
| 22:22.11 | unitypunk | oh |
| 22:22.28 | karme | unitypunk: maybe try: ps aux|grep /usr/bin/X |
| 22:22.41 | slidesinger | misses the old days when X used config files that actually did things. |
| 22:22.54 | PinkFreud | all of my named-based vhosts appear to have quit working. for it's part, apache2 complains that NameVirtualHost *:80 has no virtualhosts |
| 22:23.12 | unitypunk | and. |
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| 22:23.35 | benedikt | PinkFreud: the virutalhosts should start with <VirtualHos *:80> in your case. do they dod that? |
| 22:23.44 | benedikt | +t |
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| 22:24.11 | PinkFreud | NameVirtualHost *:80 is set in ports.conf, which is included via apache2.conf. My vhosts are set to use *:80. vhosts live in the default sites-available, with links in sites-enabled. sites-enabled is included later on in apache2.conf. |
| 22:24.19 | PinkFreud | benedikt: yep |
| 22:24.47 | joltcan | CodeNinja: or -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 22:24.55 | PinkFreud | that's why I'm having such a hard time with this issue - everything *looks* correct, and indeed, everything worked up until I upgraded. |
| 22:25.20 | benedikt | PinkFreud: care to paste to a pastebin? |
| 22:25.29 | PinkFreud | paste what? |
| 22:25.40 | benedikt | vhost configs |
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| 22:26.36 | fronix | wtf why must i insert the install cd to install something :S |
| 22:26.50 | sepult | sorry but, where does this via_padlock not found error ? |
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| 22:27.03 | benedikt | fronix: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the CD from the top |
| 22:27.05 | PinkFreud | ahh, nevermind - there were two vhosts using *, not *:80 |
| 22:27.08 | sepult | as if i had a via hardware, where does it stem from |
| 22:27.09 | xeon-enouf | xingu: so mtt, tos, rtt == Maximum Segment Size, Terms of Service, Round Trip Time ? |
| 22:27.21 | PinkFreud | weird - the older apache didn't appear to have a problem with that. |
| 22:27.24 | benedikt | PinkFreud: weird that it worked before then |
| 22:27.29 | PinkFreud | yeah. |
| 22:27.47 | PinkFreud | benedikt: thanks |
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| 22:28.28 | karme | unitypunk: did you get some output? |
| 22:28.42 | unitypunk | yes |
| 22:28.54 | karme | unitypunk: and it says? |
| 22:29.10 | unitypunk | something about /usr/bin/X |
| 22:29.14 | karme | unitypunk: is there a :0 in there ? |
| 22:29.16 | xeon-enouf | sepult: is that a CPU rng thing? or ... security thing? |
| 22:29.17 | unitypunk | alot about it actually. |
| 22:29.19 | unitypunk | no |
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| 22:29.39 | unitypunk | krow 22666 0.0 0.0 3116 732 pts/0 S+ 15:22 0:00 grep /usr/bin/X |
| 22:29.52 | karme | unitypunk: you basically want to find out how your X server was started - which number it got |
| 22:30.11 | xeon-enouf | sepult: all i see in my Debian .30 is; kernel/drivers/crypto/padlock-sha.ko |
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| 22:30.13 | xeon-enouf | kernel/drivers/crypto/padlock-aes.ko |
| 22:30.17 | karme | unitypunk: that is the grep process matching itself => of no use |
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| 22:31.41 | sepult | xeon-enouf: i tried to remove it without success lol |
| 22:31.45 | karme | unitypunk: another option is to look for a running x client and watching at its environment (this would involve 2 steps: find out the process id of a running x client and take a look in /proc/<PID>/environ) |
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| 22:32.17 | unitypunk | theres noway to just echo where the xerver is? |
| 22:32.22 | lvh_ | whoops, I disconnected |
| 22:32.44 | karme | unitypunk: you first should know whats the name of the xserver you want to talk to |
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| 22:32.51 | unitypunk | theres only one. |
| 22:33.00 | karme | unitypunk: so find its name |
| 22:33.05 | bayer | although apache is running (i can see it listening on port 80), and there are no iptables, i can't connect to port 80 (neither local nor remote) - what can be wrong? |
| 22:33.21 | unitypunk | the name of it is the xserver? |
| 22:33.25 | unitypunk | i dont understand |
| 22:33.34 | unitypunk | the program has a subname for each one running? |
| 22:33.40 | karme | unitypunk: does "pidof X" give some output? |
| 22:33.52 | karme | unitypunk: you can have multiple X servers on one machine |
| 22:33.53 | unitypunk | ueaj |
| 22:33.59 | unitypunk | but i jus t said i didnt. |
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| 22:34.11 | xeon-enouf | unitypunk: echo $DISPLAY |
| 22:34.29 | xeon-enouf | pgrep X |
| 22:34.29 | unitypunk | :0.0 |
| 22:34.32 | karme | xeon-enouf: he wants to access another x server - if i got him |
| 22:34.38 | unitypunk | no.. |
| 22:34.40 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 22:34.43 | unitypunk | there is only one xserver. |
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| 22:34.55 | karme | unitypunk: yes but you are remotely logged in |
| 22:35.09 | xeon-enouf | is he? |
| 22:35.21 | unitypunk | i thought that was just another tty window |
| 22:35.24 | unitypunk | yes i am. |
| 22:35.41 | xeon-enouf | how? ssh -X ? |
| 22:36.11 | unitypunk | how wha? |
| 22:36.16 | unitypunk | i used putty? |
| 22:36.22 | karme | unitypunk: tty are only the terminals - if the user has a xterm open thats just another tty and you can communicate with it - like with any other terminal |
| 22:36.40 | unitypunk | ssh is only a terminal? |
| 22:36.43 | unitypunk | i dont understand. |
| 22:36.55 | unitypunk | i only have a terminal viewable. |
| 22:37.12 | karme | unitypunk: x display server != tty terminal |
| 22:37.34 | unitypunk | so for every tty terminal there is another x server? |
| 22:37.39 | karme | unitypunk: no |
| 22:37.53 | unitypunk | one xserver provides multiple terminals |
| 22:38.03 | unitypunk | so why would i have two xservers running then? |
| 22:38.04 | xeon-enouf | karme: an xterm is a pts, not a tty per se |
| 22:38.13 | karme | unitypunk: you can run many tty terminals on one x server (each xterm you have open for example) |
| 22:38.19 | xeon-enouf | ps aux | grep pts |
| 22:38.23 | xeon-enouf | ps aux | grep tty |
| 22:38.28 | karme | xeon-enouf: just to make clear the distinction between tty and x server |
| 22:38.44 | unitypunk | you just said tty is the x server |
| 22:38.50 | karme | unitypunk: where? |
| 22:38.59 | unitypunk | viewable. |
| 22:38.59 | unitypunk | <karme> unitypunk: x display server != tty terminal |
| 22:39.07 | unitypunk | xdisplayserver = tty terminal |
| 22:39.12 | xeon-enouf | unitypunk: find /Documentation/devices.txt and read the last 100 lines or so |
| 22:39.14 | karme | unitypunk: "!=" <-- means _not_ equal |
| 22:39.25 | unitypunk | ... |
| 22:39.30 | unitypunk | i see now. |
| 22:39.37 | unitypunk | that amkes more sense. |
| 22:39.49 | xeon-enouf | unitypunk: and == equals equal :-P |
| 22:40.14 | markybob_ | and === is exactly the same...but hey, that's neither here nor there |
| 22:40.52 | unitypunk | gah |
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| 22:41.11 | unitypunk | i just wanted to mess with my friend, and suddenly this is super complicated. |
| 22:41.18 | karme | unitypunk: so pidof X said something? |
| 22:41.31 | xeon-enouf | use windows malware :-p |
| 22:41.44 | Pupuser402-2 | can someone using debian squeeze paste their grub-legacy /boot/grub/menu.lst to pastebin, mine is messed i am having trouble getting it right |
| 22:41.48 | unitypunk | yes karme |
| 22:41.56 | unitypunk | 11423 |
| 22:42.12 | karme | unitypunk: and you did run pidof X on the remote machine |
| 22:42.20 | unitypunk | wtf |
| 22:42.22 | unitypunk | yes |
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| 22:42.28 | unitypunk | i only have one debian computer. |
| 22:42.37 | unitypunk | it hastorun on the remote machine. |
| 22:43.02 | xeon-enouf | Pupuser402-2: http://debian.pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m31b8cae3 |
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| 22:43.33 | karme | unitypunk: "ps -p 11423 -f" says? |
| 22:44.10 | unitypunk | one line. |
| 22:44.21 | karme | unitypunk: is there a :0 in it? |
| 22:44.35 | unitypunk | two of them |
| 22:44.58 | karme | unitypunk: => server name is :0 |
| 22:45.06 | unitypunk | okay. |
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| 22:45.22 | unitypunk | so DISPLAY=":0" |
| 22:45.25 | unitypunk | righyt |
| 22:45.45 | karme | unitypunk: switch to the user who is logged in on that X server "su user" |
| 22:45.57 | unitypunk | already are. |
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| 22:46.09 | unitypunk | already am? |
| 22:46.13 | karme | unitypunk: export DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 22:46.34 | Yeretik | Hi... i'm using debian squeeze and after the today's upgrade, when i try to open the nautilus preferences on any folder window, my desktop icons dissapear and the prefereneces never come... Some suggestion ? |
| 22:46.38 | karme | unitypunk: zenity / xclock .. whatever |
| 22:47.10 | xeon-enouf | Yeretik: check BTS |
| 22:47.25 | Yeretik | xeon-enouf, What is BTS ? |
| 22:47.25 | fronix | apt-get install make |
| 22:47.43 | fronix | shouldnt that be enugh to get the make command working? |
| 22:47.52 | xeon-enouf | Yeretik: if no bug found, maybe file one -- and /msg dpkg gnome |
| 22:47.55 | xeon-enouf | !bts |
| 22:47.55 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 22:48.11 | karme | unitypunk: still doesn't work? |
| 22:48.20 | unitypunk | its working now. |
| 22:48.23 | xeon-enouf | fronix: install build-essential |
| 22:48.29 | unitypunk | thanks for being patient with my lame ass. |
| 22:48.43 | karme | unitypunk: :-) |
| 22:48.48 | fronix | ahh i knew i forgot something |
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| 22:49.14 | Pupuser402-2 | here is my grub boot menu.lst http://pastebin.com/d780e80bc |
| 22:49.18 | fronix | hmm |
| 22:49.27 | karme | unitypunk: did you mistype anything previously? |
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| 22:49.30 | Pupuser402-2 | it boots into kernel but....it stalls at runlevel |
| 22:49.31 | dsdeiz | uhm, i got this http://pastebin.com/m484db130.. i don't think my sound card is listed there but i'm quite the card is in the pci slot |
| 22:49.35 | xeon-enouf | you're welcome Pupuser402-2 |
| 22:49.38 | unitypunk | what do you mean? |
| 22:49.47 | fronix | apt-get install gcc | apt-get install build-essential | apt-get install make |
| 22:49.50 | Pupuser402-2 | thanks xeon-enouf |
| 22:49.53 | karme | unitypunk: why didn't it work the first time? |
| 22:49.53 | unitypunk | i think it was because the quotes |
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| 22:50.28 | xeon-enouf | dsdeiz: does lspci show it? |
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| 22:50.48 | karme | unitypunk: no they are not needed but don't harm |
| 22:50.53 | xeon-enouf | fronix: um... no |
| 22:50.58 | unitypunk | no idea then |
| 22:51.00 | dsdeiz | xeon-enouf: the pastebin is the result of lspci. i don't think it shows it there |
| 22:51.11 | fronix | xeon-enouf: whats wrong? |
| 22:51.15 | xeon-enouf | apt-get install gcc build-essential make |
| 22:51.31 | xeon-enouf | but b-e will pull in gcc .. and make? IIRC |
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| 22:52.03 | fronix | ah nono |
| 22:52.06 | karme | unitypunk: btw it is a bad idea to type anything someone says on irc in as root ;-) |
| 22:52.07 | xeon-enouf | dsdeiz: if it's a PCI device, it must before you go further |
| 22:52.09 | fronix | i ment thats what ive installed |
| 22:52.15 | fronix | but still can't make files |
| 22:52.31 | xeon-enouf | fronix: looks like you were piping one apt-get install to another |
| 22:52.31 | unitypunk | karme: i havent typed anything in as root. |
| 22:52.36 | unitypunk | why would i? |
| 22:53.24 | dsdeiz | xeon-enouf: i'm quite sure it is. maybe it's broken.. hmm. gotta investigate on this.. thanks! |
| 22:53.26 | fronix | :P |
| 22:54.26 | djahandarie | Hello, doing a safe-upgrade here, and I'm getting a shitload of packages held-back and I can't figure out the cause |
| 22:54.31 | rahsputin | is it possible to make a netinstall (cd-rom businesscard) with a WPA encryp. wireless-connection? |
| 22:54.43 | djahandarie | They are all related to libg1l, x11, or xserver |
| 22:54.47 | djahandarie | libgl1* |
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| 22:55.02 | llimeht | djahandarie: squeeze? |
| 22:55.06 | djahandarie | llimeht, yes |
| 22:55.42 | llimeht | djahandarie: you most likely need to do a "full-upgrade" not a "safe-upgrade". "/msg dpkg full-upgrade" or "man aptitude" for details |
| 22:56.15 | fronix | NEVER do apt-get upgrade update xD |
| 22:56.35 | fronix | atleast when you are talking to me |
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| 22:56.52 | fronix | i have a virus that makes me fail on that :| |
| 22:57.00 | llimeht | huh? |
| 22:57.10 | fronix | was jokin |
| 22:57.15 | fronix | you know jokes? |
| 22:57.20 | fronix | when you laugh |
| 22:57.34 | Stro0der | lol |
| 22:58.37 | Zharf | upgrade update? |
| 22:58.39 | Zharf | what? |
| 22:58.43 | djahandarie | Hmm... it seems to want to remove xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 22:58.50 | djahandarie | That feels like it will break something |
| 22:59.17 | djahandarie | It also wants to remove xserver-xorg-core |
| 22:59.42 | djahandarie | Oh wait, no, got a better solution |
| 22:59.44 | rahsputin | ?squeeze, why not testing? |
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| 23:02.30 | fronix | after i installed tcl i have to add something to some conf file what is it now again? |
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| 23:07.10 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 23:09.15 | fronix | dammit... |
| 23:09.19 | fronix | wtf |
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| 23:11.00 | moty66 | why users like games, lp, proxy etc on fresh install has a shell? is this insecure ? |
| 23:11.05 | slidesinger | Debian README for tinyerp says to issue the command: /usr/sbin/tinyerp-server --init=all It does a whole lot of stuff, then this: psycopg.OperationalError: FATAL: Ident authentication failed for user "root" Instructions in the README indicate to run all commands as root. Anyone know what is wrong? |
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| 23:13.46 | karsten | What's the URL for the release-critical bug count graph? |
| 23:14.20 | fronix | god i feel such neerdy when i have 3 computers going and the only think you can see is text :S |
| 23:14.53 | xeon-enouf | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 23:14.56 | xeon-enouf | karsten: |
| 23:14.59 | LobbyZ | white and nerdy, fronix |
| 23:15.02 | karsten | xeon-enouf: danke |
| 23:15.14 | fronix | black* and nerdy :P |
| 23:15.24 | xeon-enouf | np |
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| 23:15.51 | benedikt | i need a quick tip about organizing. all my vhosts are in /var/www. I installed webalizer with apt-get. When using centos/rh vhosts go in /var/www/html and webliazer goes in /var/www/webalizer. I would want to achieve something similar |
| 23:16.23 | moty66 | feels stupid using macbook and terminal |
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| 23:17.42 | Shadowcat | macbooks FTW! |
| 23:17.46 | fronix | not |
| 23:17.55 | fronix | windows 7 ftw |
| 23:18.04 | fronix | PC real stuff that does something ftw |
| 23:18.04 | Shadowcat | ... |
| 23:18.17 | Shadowcat | a macbook is a pc... |
| 23:18.20 | fronix | mac is for g*s dude cmon |
| 23:18.27 | Dryanta | ol |
| 23:18.29 | azeem | fronix: do you have a Debian question? |
| 23:18.33 | benedikt | Shadowcat: dont feed the troll |
| 23:18.35 | Dryanta | lol |
| 23:18.44 | fronix | azeem not atm no |
| 23:18.45 | Shadowcat | benedikt: oh he's a troll? |
| 23:18.51 | Shadowcat | alright, ignored |
| 23:18.54 | azeem | fronix: then please either keep quiet or leave |
| 23:19.04 | fronix | azeem, how come the others can talk? |
| 23:19.05 | Dryanta | ya gtfo fgt |
| 23:19.15 | Dryanta | cos they arent a: bunch of dicks |
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| 23:19.18 | azeem | fronix: if they're off-topic, they will eventually get informed as well |
| 23:19.36 | azeem | Dryanta: uhm, drop the ad-hominems |
| 23:19.50 | Dryanta | but of the person is more fun tbh |
| 23:20.00 | fronix | eventually ;) |
| 23:20.02 | Dryanta | even if it is a logical fallacy |
| 23:20.02 | azeem | Dryanta: do *you* have a Debian question? |
| 23:20.12 | Dryanta | yeah, why is it not as good as freebsd |
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| 23:20.19 | dsdeiz | uhm, how do i know if the compiled evilwm has virtual desktop support? |
| 23:20.20 | benedikt | azeem: i have o/ |
| 23:20.43 | llimeht | Dryanta: please take a time out from #debian and be more signal and less noise in the future |
| 23:20.48 | xeon-enouf | dsevil: the "compiled"? you mean packaged? |
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| 23:21.18 | xeon-enouf | er dsdeiz i meant you |
| 23:21.24 | xeon-enouf | dsevil: bad tab |
| 23:21.44 | fronix | how come my system hostname is: nallepuh.nallepuh.elitecs.se when its only suppose to be nallepuh.elitecs.se |
| 23:21.48 | fronix | :S |
| 23:21.54 | xeon-enouf | !hostname |
| 23:21.55 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 23:22.39 | Shadowcat | lol fronix uses telia |
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| 23:22.46 | fronix | yah? |
| 23:22.50 | fronix | im swedish |
| 23:23.01 | Shadowcat | I work for Telia Support on the ISP side |
| 23:23.07 | Shadowcat | wonder if I can find you in our system |
| 23:23.07 | fronix | my god |
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| 23:23.18 | fronix | i bet you can |
| 23:23.52 | fronix | In sweden we call Telia Failia |
| 23:23.58 | fronix | because there support sux :P |
| 23:24.03 | azeem | Shadowcat, fronix: please keep it on topic |
| 23:24.10 | fronix | yeye ok |
| 23:24.13 | fronix | sry |
| 23:25.01 | fronix | would this command work: ./in_sweden_telia_is_bad? |
| 23:25.27 | benedikt | fronix: #debian-offtopic. please. |
| 23:26.41 | benedikt | where would one put the webalizer diretory if /var/www is occupied with vhosts? |
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| 23:29.55 | fronix | benedikt: try puting the webalizer dir in /etc/ |
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| 23:30.05 | blendmaster1024 | what is /etc/debian_chroot ? |
| 23:30.09 | Joenin | secret |
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| 23:30.15 | fronix | and then make one of these point things should work |
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| 23:30.41 | doubleclick | what is the recomended filesystem for raid 1? (lots of big 100+MB files...) |
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| 23:30.57 | llimeht | blendmaster1024: look in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 23:30.58 | robin_sz | any clues as to how to turn on logging in debians messed up version of tomcat5.5? |
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| 23:32.20 | blendmaster1024 | ok, some description please? |
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| 23:32.34 | Dryanta | how would i one line grab text from an open port |
| 23:32.58 | benedikt | fronix: /etc is for config files and such. |
| 23:32.59 | Dryanta | like to check if a web/pop server is up without telnet |
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| 23:33.54 | llimeht | Dryanta: nc would be one way of doing it |
| 23:34.07 | karme | Dryanta: or socat |
| 23:34.18 | azeem | w25 |
| 23:34.26 | fronix | benedikt: no its not you can put the webalizer dir anywhere and do a alias command |
| 23:34.35 | robin_sz | suspects Dryant should be using one of the service monitoring packages |
| 23:34.43 | fronix | so when you do mysite.com/webalizer it will show webalizer even if its in /etc/webalizer |
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| 23:35.23 | Dryanta | robin_sz: hu |
| 23:35.25 | fronix | for example Alias /webalizer/ "/etc/webalizer" |
| 23:35.32 | Dryanta | no im talking about as a one liner |
| 23:35.42 | Dryanta | i already have a fully functioning nms |
| 23:35.45 | Dryanta | i use 'the dude' |
| 23:35.47 | Dryanta | it owns |
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