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| 00:16.22 | themill | (also allows setgid, setuid etc. you may want to change the first ? to a -) |
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| 00:16.29 | karsten | I'm not used to the "==" and "?" stuff. |
| 00:16.39 | karsten | '?' is wildcard for any char? '.' in regex? |
| 00:16.48 | catsup | what language is that |
| 00:17.19 | karsten | catsup: English :) |
| 00:17.27 | catsup | i mean themill's expression |
| 00:17.28 | themill | karsten: [[ == uses "pattern matching" as defined in man bash. Think globbing. You can use eregexps to if you use =~ instead. |
| 00:17.40 | karsten | themill: for f in *; do [[ $(stat -c"%A" $f) == ????--?--? ]] && echo "$f: yes" || echo "NO: $f"; done |
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| 00:17.44 | themill | catsup: bash |
| 00:17.45 | karsten | themill: ... looks good so far. |
| 00:17.51 | catsup | omg when did they add that |
| 00:18.01 | themill | karsten: if you're going to loop then perhaps just use find .... |
| 00:18.27 | karsten | themill: I only need to test a single file. |
| 00:18.28 | themill | also put some quotes around $f in that stat before it eats you |
| 00:18.36 | catsup | i have been using annoyingly verbose case statements to do that |
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| 00:18.42 | karsten | themill: However, my test cases are a set of files with a variety of permissions. |
| 00:18.52 | karsten | catsup: bash rawks. |
| 00:19.00 | karsten | catsup: perl is for people who can't read the bash manpage ... |
| 00:19.08 | karsten | ... or lack access to #debian and themill. |
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| 00:19.33 | catsup | btw anyone know an apt source for gnu info docs? |
| 00:19.46 | themill | catsup: yeah, it's a nice way of doing it. [[ $foo == *substring* ]] . But make sure you use #!/bin/bash not #!/bin/sh if you start using [[. |
| 00:20.28 | catsup | well i wouldn't use that in a script |
| 00:20.32 | catsup | but at the command line |
| 00:20.35 | karsten | catsup: ?? You mean where are the info docs for various packages? Generally in <package>-doc. |
| 00:20.38 | themill | catsup: many of them are in non-free thanks to RMS's opinions on licences. "apt-file search something.info" is handy |
| 00:20.41 | catsup | karsten: no |
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| 00:20.57 | catsup | karsten: the gnu docs that are licensed GFDL like the bash info docs etc. |
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| 00:21.08 | catsup | karsten: they were removed |
| 00:21.54 | themill | bash.info isn't anywhere in debian. Others are in e.g. the gcc-doc package. |
| 00:22.50 | karsten | hasn't been paying attention. |
| 00:22.59 | karsten | themill: Not even non-free? |
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| 00:23.09 | themill | no-one has packaged it |
| 00:23.38 | karsten | thinks the world needs a good man v. info rant. |
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| 00:23.43 | themill | !dbugs 427804 |
| 00:23.47 | dpkg | #427804:I[bash] bash: missing info documentation (); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:06:02 UTC [] |
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| 00:23.58 | themill | !dbugs 466120 |
| 00:24.03 | dpkg | #466120:W[wnpp] ITP: bash-doc-reference -- The Bash Reference Manual (); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:51:01 UTC [] |
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| 00:26.01 | karsten | Not quite what I had in mind: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/09/msg00202.html |
| 00:26.08 | karsten | There was a long rant a while back. |
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| 00:31.18 | karsten | Working on boats. |
| 00:31.23 | karsten | Um, mischan. |
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| 00:31.37 | karsten | But I'm working on boats :) |
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| 00:35.17 | karsten | OT: http://picpaste.com/dingo-row1.jpg (2-4 as well). |
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| 00:39.14 | saebbi | i want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. can i just replace the word "lenny" with "squeeze" in my sources.list or is there more to it? |
| 00:39.40 | catsup | that's basically it |
| 00:39.55 | saebbi | sweet |
| 00:40.01 | saebbi | same with sid? |
| 00:40.03 | catsup | then update, upgrade, and start fixing all the broken stuff |
| 00:40.11 | saebbi | uh.. what broken stuff |
| 00:40.14 | catsup | yep |
| 00:40.16 | catsup | lol |
| 00:40.20 | catsup | you'll find out |
| 00:40.27 | saebbi | i dont wanna find out ;) |
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| 00:40.34 | saebbi | is there no clean way? |
| 00:40.38 | rudi_s_ | !testing |
| 00:40.38 | dpkg | methinks testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 00:40.38 | catsup | uh |
| 00:40.40 | rudi_s_ | !sid |
| 00:40.40 | dpkg | methinks sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 00:40.41 | catsup | it's clean |
| 00:40.50 | rudi_s_ | saebbi: ^ |
| 00:40.55 | catsup | but if you don't want a broken system, stick with stable |
| 00:41.05 | sepult | saebbi: in a schroot session maybe! |
| 00:41.17 | markrian | lenny is a particularly excellent release, too ;o |
| 00:41.26 | sepult | saebbi: but then it has to be set up correctly |
| 00:41.26 | saebbi | catsup, i don't want a broken system, but i don't want an ancient system either ;) |
| 00:41.38 | catsup | saebbi: then you want backports |
| 00:41.43 | sepult | saebbi: don't you ever go sid i say |
| 00:41.50 | saebbi | i won't go to sid hehe |
| 00:41.54 | rudi_s_ | !tell saebbi about bpo |
| 00:41.54 | sepult | saebbi: your system gets very soon broken |
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| 00:41.59 | rudi_s_ | !tell saebbi about sns |
| 00:42.04 | catsup | sid is actually short for SuIciDe |
| 00:42.12 | rudi_s_ | Hehe. |
| 00:42.12 | ajavid | judd versions cakephp |
| 00:42.14 | judd | ajavid: cakephp -- lenny: 1.2.0.7296-rc2-1 sid: 1.2.0.7692-rc3-1 sid: 1.2.0.7962.final-1 sid: 1.2.4.8284-1 squeeze: 1.2.4.8284-1 |
| 00:42.16 | saebbi | what are backports |
| 00:42.19 | ajavid | hm |
| 00:42.25 | rudi_s_ | saebbi: Read the message from dpkg. |
| 00:42.39 | sepult | saebbi: if you want to use some packages from sid, then pin them |
| 00:42.40 | sepult | accordingly and use a chroot environment |
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| 00:43.04 | catsup | or just backport them yourself |
| 00:43.18 | rgr | how can I find whats keeping my device busy? I cant umount it. |
| 00:43.26 | rudi_s_ | rgr: lsof |
| 00:43.27 | catsup | rgr: fuser -vm mountpoint |
| 00:43.39 | sepult | saebbi: backports are packages from say sid or experimental or |
| 00:43.39 | sepult | even testing which are brought into lenny or so |
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| 00:43.53 | sepult | saebbi: from later to previous releases |
| 00:44.04 | saebbi | i see. thats what i need |
| 00:44.07 | rgr | both return nothing |
| 00:44.08 | sepult | saebbi: most are fixed though |
| 00:44.11 | saebbi | i just need 2 new packages |
| 00:44.16 | saebbi | pulseaudio and mpd |
| 00:44.26 | catsup | just plain 'lsof' can't sanely return nothing |
| 00:44.29 | sepult | saebbi: does however not mean they are 100% bugfree |
| 00:44.36 | rudi_s_ | saebbi: Aren't the stable ones not working? |
| 00:44.47 | rgr | neither does stable mean they are 100% working. |
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| 00:45.03 | sepult | right |
| 00:45.12 | sepult | but that's another story! |
| 00:45.16 | sepult | lol |
| 00:45.16 | saebbi | rudi_s, they are too old, mpd got pulse support in a later version |
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| 00:45.31 | Simon14 | i'm setting up a basic web server from my house, is there a service that will allow me to have a domain (or a submain ) point to my home IP? |
| 00:45.34 | catsup | sepult: just compile them |
| 00:45.39 | rgr | ok, lsof and fuser cam back with nothing but umount still says its busy. |
| 00:45.43 | rudi_s_ | saebbi: Ah, okay. Then do as catsup said. |
| 00:45.46 | catsup | saebbi: i meant you |
| 00:45.56 | catsup | there's a good dpkg hint for that |
| 00:46.00 | rudi_s_ | !b-e |
| 00:46.00 | dpkg | hmm... build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 00:46.09 | rudi_s_ | saebbi: ^ |
| 00:46.16 | saebbi | ah sweet |
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| 00:46.39 | saebbi | learning how to create packages can't hurt anyway :) |
| 00:46.43 | saebbi | i'll look into that, thanks |
| 00:46.56 | Tenkawa | anyone know a method offhand to disable the lcd on a debian notebook (specificly on a macbook install) |
| 00:47.05 | Tenkawa | need to try to make this box run headless |
| 00:47.23 | rgr | why would you want a headless netbook?!? |
| 00:47.28 | sepult | go until experimental if you have to but no further |
| 00:47.35 | catsup | there's a hint for it |
| 00:47.36 | NoCode | Since I've compiled a program in /opt/ and I don't have the source, and forget where I installed from the source, can I just pick through /opt/ and delete the files and directories related to the program and recompile the new version I have? |
| 00:47.37 | catsup | man |
| 00:47.38 | rudi_s_ | Tenkawa: pommed and pressing F1 till it gets out? |
| 00:47.40 | catsup | i'm looking for it |
| 00:47.43 | icyo | Hi, i've got a server installed under lenny, I want it to play sound from the onboard soundcard installed, i've setup alsa, alsa-utils, and herrie, i've checked the speaker, and the jack is the good one, but no sound is coming out, i've test it with aplay wavfile.wav, is there anything other than this to do? |
| 00:47.43 | Tenkawa | rgr: I didnt say netbook |
| 00:48.00 | rgr | ok, notebook then :-; |
| 00:48.03 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 00:48.03 | rudi_s_ | NoCode: Sure. Just don't remove too much. |
| 00:48.16 | saebbi | icyo did you run alsaconf? |
| 00:48.24 | rudi_s_ | !tell icyo about alsa checklist |
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| 00:48.30 | Tenkawa | rgr: because its fairly useless as a notebook so I'm using it as a low profile test server |
| 00:48.43 | icyo | My card is a Analog Device 1981B supported by alsa and I see it in the alsamixer |
| 00:48.45 | Tenkawa | battery is bad.. case is breaking.. etc etc |
| 00:48.47 | NoCode | rudi_s_, Cool, thanks. |
| 00:48.48 | icyo | ho no i'll check this |
| 00:48.49 | icyo | thx |
| 00:48.51 | freenose | Tenkawa: doesn't the LCD turns off by itselft after some time? |
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| 00:49.11 | Tenkawa | freenose: I thought it should but at least so far its just blanking only |
| 00:49.15 | rgr | Tenkawa: I have aheadless server. I just detached the monitor and keyboard:-; |
| 00:49.24 | rudi_s_ | np |
| 00:49.37 | rgr | you probably want X on it for x forwarding over ssh. |
| 00:49.40 | freenose | why you don't just close the LCD? :-) |
| 00:49.55 | Tenkawa | rgr: I already forward X when I need it |
| 00:50.10 | rgr | yes, so theres nothig to do. close the lid. |
| 00:50.19 | Tenkawa | freenose: if it doesnt turn it off it could get too hot still even blanked |
| 00:50.29 | rgr | the monitor is not on when shut. |
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| 00:50.37 | Tenkawa | I'll just leave the display sit for now |
| 00:50.37 | catsup | !simple sid backport |
| 00:50.37 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 00:51.10 | Tenkawa | also worried apm might sleep the machine if I close the lid |
| 00:51.18 | catsup | saebbi: that's for you |
| 00:51.24 | Tenkawa | that can be disabled at boot though so no big deal |
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| 00:51.30 | Tenkawa | just need to test it |
| 00:51.51 | Tenkawa | oh well... back to installing stuff |
| 00:51.54 | Tenkawa | thanks all |
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| 00:54.12 | icyo | nop nothing do |
| 00:54.14 | icyo | still no sound |
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| 00:54.40 | icyo | i've tested it with root with aplay again and still nothing |
| 00:54.52 | icyo | normally root can play sound right? |
| 00:56.17 | rgr | any other ideas on how I can umount this partition? Says its busy. It isnt. Force (-f) also fails. |
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| 00:57.49 | superjoe | so what's the deal with eclipse |
| 00:57.55 | superjoe | why does the packaging suck so bad |
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| 01:05.36 | lehe | hello can anybody helpme runin ssh? |
| 01:05.57 | bpun | lehe, ssh? what do u mean? |
| 01:06.00 | lehe | sshd |
| 01:06.22 | bpun | lehe, openssh-server < installing it automatically runs it |
| 01:06.25 | lehe | its the server of a friend |
| 01:06.29 | lehe | ya but its not runing |
| 01:06.38 | lehe | i think he alredy tried to run |
| 01:06.44 | lehe | i did ps -aux | grep ssh |
| 01:06.50 | lehe | theres no sshd runing |
| 01:06.50 | NoCode | oh no, "File "/usr/lib/scons/SCons/Script/Main.py", line 817, in _main" |
| 01:07.09 | bpun | lehe, dpkg -l openssh-server |
| 01:07.18 | NoCode | what can I do to fix that? |
| 01:07.23 | bpun | lehe, does it say "ii" ? |
| 01:07.27 | lehe | wich dir bpun ? |
| 01:07.41 | bpun | lehe, "dpkg -l openssh-server" < command in console |
| 01:07.54 | lehe | any dir? |
| 01:08.00 | bpun | lehe, "superuser" |
| 01:08.06 | bpun | lehe, do you know what "superuser" means? |
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| 01:08.14 | lehe | yes lol |
| 01:08.16 | lehe | root? |
| 01:08.42 | malv | so what makes debian different from ubuntu? From what I understand Ubuntu is just Debian++ |
| 01:09.01 | malv | why would i expect more stability from debian? |
| 01:09.07 | lehe | No/Instalado/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 01:09.13 | macrobat | Malv: that is trolling |
| 01:09.15 | lehe | yes bpgoldsb |
| 01:09.16 | lehe | bpun |
| 01:09.16 | malv | if ubuntu is just taking the debian packages and doing more bug fixing |
| 01:09.18 | lehe | it said II |
| 01:09.24 | bpun | malv, ubuntu will be losing the point of having more frequent updates.. debian is currently gonna have yearly release updates |
| 01:09.25 | malv | no, it's a legitimate question |
| 01:09.46 | lehe | bpun theres the 'ii' |
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| 01:09.55 | malv | but what if I was to use unstable |
| 01:10.00 | malv | because I require a bit more cutting-edge apps |
| 01:10.07 | bpun | lehe, netstat -plunt |grep 22 |
| 01:10.11 | malv | am I basically using ubuntu at that point? |
| 01:10.17 | macrobat | malv: feel free to compare launchpad and bts |
| 01:10.17 | malv | sorry, not unstable, testing |
| 01:10.34 | lehe | bpun it showed some ips |
| 01:10.40 | malv | i am considering switching to debian from ubuntu |
| 01:10.57 | bpun | lehe, what else? |
| 01:11.29 | bpun | lehe, does it say sshd anywhere? |
| 01:11.39 | bpun | lehe, "netstat -plunt |grep 22" |
| 01:11.40 | lehe | no |
| 01:11.48 | lehe | look ur pvt i pasted u what it said |
| 01:12.03 | lehe | when i do netstat -nap | grep sshd |
| 01:12.06 | lehe | theres nothing there |
| 01:12.16 | bpun | lehe, what about "file /etc/init.d/ssh" ? |
| 01:12.23 | lehe | it doesnt answer me |
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| 01:12.30 | lehe | like when i do /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 01:12.37 | lehe | it doesnt say anything |
| 01:12.58 | lehe | # /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 01:12.59 | lehe | # |
| 01:13.09 | bpun | lehe, what about "file /etc/init.d/ssh" ? |
| 01:13.13 | bpun | lehe, type that command |
| 01:13.16 | lehe | i did.. |
| 01:13.20 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:13.20 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:13.20 | lehe | it doesnt answer anything |
| 01:13.24 | lehe | seems its dead |
| 01:13.29 | bpun | lehe, read the command again |
| 01:13.30 | lehe | how do i uninstall openssh-server? |
| 01:13.35 | lehe | ah ok |
| 01:13.39 | bpun | lehe, it says "file" as the command start |
| 01:13.46 | lehe | /etc/init.d/ssh: Bourne shell script text executable |
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| 01:14.43 | bpun | lehe, what version ssh are u using? |
| 01:14.52 | lehe | 4.3 |
| 01:15.13 | lehe | i think i will have to reinstall the openssh-server |
| 01:15.15 | lehe | dont u think it? |
| 01:15.39 | bpun | lehe, are u logged in as root? |
| 01:15.43 | lehe | yes i am |
| 01:16.07 | lehe | how do i reinstall openssh-server thro apt-get? |
| 01:16.21 | malv | so why do you guys prefer debian over ubuntu? |
| 01:16.35 | bpun | lehe, what distro release are you using? |
| 01:16.45 | lehe | 4.0 |
| 01:17.12 | bpun | lehe, try using apt-get update and 'apt-get install openssh-server' , it might upgrade openssh |
| 01:17.32 | lehe | it said its in the newest version already |
| 01:17.36 | lehe | how do i uninstall it then? |
| 01:17.59 | bpun | lehe, no need to.. an upgrade does it when there's a newer version |
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| 01:18.24 | bpun | lehe, 'cat /etc/debian_version' .. it should be 4.0 dot something.. |
| 01:18.34 | lehe | i did apt-get upgrade |
| 01:18.35 | lehe | let it finish |
| 01:19.23 | lehe | it just say |
| 01:19.24 | lehe | 4.0 |
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| 01:19.27 | lehe | when i do debian_version |
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| 01:19.33 | bpun | !etch |
| 01:19.33 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch |
| 01:19.52 | bpun | ^4.0r8 |
| 01:20.04 | lehe | ya but thats just the sshd |
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| 01:20.07 | lehe | i just want the sshd to work |
| 01:20.15 | lehe | what if i remove the openssh-server |
| 01:20.18 | lehe | then apt-get it again? |
| 01:20.23 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:20.23 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:20.34 | bpun | lehe, why not read? |
| 01:20.38 | abrotman | !tell malv about why debian |
| 01:20.43 | bpun | lehe, did u even see the packages you are upgrading? |
| 01:20.54 | lehe | yes |
| 01:21.04 | lehe | some libs , openssl |
| 01:21.15 | bpun | lehe, so..? why are u asking about ssh? if its upgrading it, it would be listed |
| 01:21.28 | blakkheim | apt-build is not using the settings i have in /etc/apt/apt-build.conf, such as cflags and # of jobs to use with make. any idea why not? |
| 01:21.42 | lehe | well i will just upgrade it |
| 01:21.47 | lehe | then remove openssh-server |
| 01:21.52 | lehe | it is apt-get remove openssh-server? |
| 01:22.20 | bpun | lehe, you probably should of done apt-get dist-upgrade if you think openssh isn't the problem |
| 01:22.36 | bpun | lehe, that would stay within etch... |
| 01:22.41 | abrotman | no .. not apt-get |
| 01:22.54 | lehe | i did |
| 01:22.57 | abrotman | did he read the release notes? |
| 01:23.05 | lehe | i did apt-get remove openssh-server then apt-get install openssh-server |
| 01:23.06 | lehe | it worked |
| 01:23.07 | lehe | :P |
| 01:23.08 | bpun | abrotman, he's not going to lenny |
| 01:23.09 | lehe | sshd is runing |
| 01:23.13 | abrotman | it doesn't matter |
| 01:23.34 | bpun | lehe, ok so now try 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.. |
| 01:23.41 | bpun | lehe, if you want.. |
| 01:23.43 | lehe | i will.. |
| 01:23.43 | lehe | ty |
| 01:23.45 | lehe | :D |
| 01:23.48 | abrotman | jesus\ |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | bpun: aptitude .. |
| 01:24.08 | bpun | abrotman, is apt-get being deprecated or what? |
| 01:24.41 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 01:24.42 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 01:25.21 | bpun | abrotman, i don't know about that.. his aptitude is on etch.. (v4).. |
| 01:25.36 | abrotman | so? |
| 01:25.44 | bpun | abrotman, he's not on lenny |
| 01:25.53 | abrotman | so? |
| 01:25.55 | bpun | abrotman, so i have no idea if aptitude is that good for him |
| 01:26.03 | abrotman | yes, it is .. |
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| 01:35.01 | voipzapper | hello |
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| 01:35.19 | doublehp | I have two HDD performing 51MB/s each; when I put them in RAID0, I get 48MB/s ; any clue why this could happen ? both are master on different PATA chains; identical drives; measurements with hdparm. doing RAID on partitions located at identical physical place (cant raid the drives themselves) |
| 01:35.19 | voipzapper | is there a configuration tool for bind/named? |
| 01:35.50 | voipzapper | or a tutorial on named.conf and bind? not yet comfortable creating/editing those files |
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| 01:36.26 | voipzapper | doublehp: what would you expect their speeds to be? |
| 01:36.28 | abrotman | swraid or hwraid ? |
| 01:36.43 | doublehp | voipzapper: at least 95M/s |
| 01:36.59 | doublehp | SW |
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| 01:39.21 | doublehp | dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/plop bs=1M count=1000 => 32M/s |
| 01:40.45 | justin | doublehp: try that same test on each partition |
| 01:41.00 | justin | doublehp: then try it on both partitions at the same time |
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| 01:41.31 | Andorin | Okay, X just blew the hell up when I minimized xchat. Serious crash. Why? |
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| 01:42.01 | justin | Andorin: read the X log and your xsession errors log |
| 01:42.17 | Andorin | Where's that? |
| 01:42.40 | doublehp | i get 31M on / (hda7+hdc7) and 65M/s on /home (hda8+hdc8) ... while partisions 8 are physically after partition 7 (thus, closer to the center of plates, thus, should be slower if any difference). Any reason why / should be slower than other mount points ? |
| 01:43.08 | macrobat | Andorin: in ~ and in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:43.39 | doublehp | justin: do you think the controler has a problem ? |
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| 01:43.51 | bpun | voipzapper, google unix bookshelf |
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| 01:44.28 | rgr | I can find loads of examples of changing the prompt color, but how to change the color of the output of something like tail? |
| 01:44.44 | Andorin | Found the files, but have no idea what to make of them. |
| 01:44.52 | justin | doublehp: yes |
| 01:45.10 | abrotman | voipzapper: aptitude install bind9-doc |
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| 01:46.06 | doublehp | justin: yes it falls down to 2*35M ... still, /home get it right, when / get it as slow as only one |
| 01:46.10 | doublehp | ext3 flags ? |
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| 01:46.14 | justin | doublehp: though 65MB/s is pretty good for pata i guess |
| 01:46.32 | justin | doublehp: dd the raw block device, that will rule out the FS |
| 01:46.55 | doublehp | i get 65M individually on non mounted disks. as a disk contains a partition linked to / (being / or a raid member of it), performances fall down |
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| 01:47.26 | doublehp | i got 2*35 on hda+hdc ... not partitions |
| 01:47.38 | Andorin | Does xsession-errors change when you reboot? |
| 01:48.20 | doublehp | justin: the block is formated and in use. I cant dd directly. I did dd on / and /home to compare; and, /home that is physically after ... is faster (what is NOT normal) |
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| 01:49.33 | doublehp | justin: in other words : / and /home being build the same way, /home behaves as raid, while / do not get any benefit of raid |
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| 01:52.46 | doublehp | justin: this may be the cause: http://pastebin.com/d570c3a47 |
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| 01:53.07 | doublehp | features and dir hash differ |
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| 01:56.41 | dean1012yh | hey all |
| 01:59.05 | NiveusLuna | what is a good selinux policy for a server? or is there only one available in the repository? |
| 02:01.15 | doublehp | can directory hashing affect performance on writing a large file ? |
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| 02:03.32 | doublehp | justin: definitly, RAID0 adds performances for /home, but not for / |
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| 02:05.09 | helo_ | anyone having trouble booting with splashy enabled? |
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| 02:05.44 | helo_ | the splashy screen comes up with semen-covered tux, and just sits there indefinitely |
| 02:06.23 | abrotman | a what? |
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| 02:07.45 | helo_ | i don't know who designed the default splashy screen... but it looks like he just blew his load all over his chest |
| 02:07.59 | doublehp | helo any bug is possible with splashy |
| 02:08.39 | helo_ | oh well... *removes splashy* |
| 02:09.00 | abrotman | helo_: go away |
| 02:09.15 | doublehp | helo_: splashy is a hack to perform FB before loading a kernel ... using default drivers, expecting the video cards supports "standard" functions; any bug is possible. excepting anything in computing is ALWAYS doomed. |
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| 02:10.02 | doublehp | helo_: the first thing to ask would be: video card model, EXACT model, then BIOS, MB chipset, CPU, check the layout of all that, and see on forums if there are known issues about it |
| 02:10.28 | doublehp | video+MB+BIOS+CPU is always a "to take care" association |
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| 02:11.11 | dec3pti0n | don't get it .. after i installed lenny my sound worked and then after a reboot i have the red x over the speaker icon |
| 02:11.18 | doublehp | if the card has a poor FB, or does not implement properly "standard" functions, then, forget it. The world of video cards is , *IS* the worst of all in computing. |
| 02:11.33 | \3TATUK | Err, there's no 'scaling' specification in Iceweasel's File->Page Setup option?? How can I print preview a specific scale %? |
| 02:12.00 | doublehp | dec3pti0n: red X = muted |
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| 02:12.41 | doublehp | dec3pti0n: you forgot to put alsa-tools (or any friendly service) on shutdown and boot. They are used to save and restaure your volume settings |
| 02:12.47 | dec3pti0n | says there is no volume control gstreamer plugins or device found whe i try to double clike it |
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| 02:13.20 | doublehp | missing or partially installed alsa-sth |
| 02:13.29 | \3TATUK | dec3pti0n: `sudo alsaconf` |
| 02:13.53 | dec3pti0n | installing alsa-tools now and then i'll try the alsaconf |
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| 02:17.37 | \3TATUK | or just use alsaconf; i dont have alsa-tools installed |
| 02:19.58 | doublehp | check you have alsa-utils in your rc3 |
| 02:20.16 | doublehp | and the config file asks to save and restaure settigs |
| 02:20.24 | dec3pti0n | what you guys use for mixer to increase/decrease volume ? |
| 02:20.40 | dec3pti0n | i do and have restarted that |
| 02:20.41 | dkr | gnome volume applet |
| 02:20.47 | pickcoder | turns the knob on the speakers |
| 02:20.53 | doublehp | dec3pti0n: alsamixer |
| 02:20.54 | dkr | alsamixer |
| 02:20.54 | dec3pti0n | yeah thats the one that is not working right now |
| 02:21.07 | \3TATUK | ...did you run alsaconf |
| 02:21.19 | doublehp | dec3pti0n: my multimedia keys are binded to alsamixer scripts to manage that |
| 02:21.25 | dec3pti0n | yep I think i need the resart X |
| 02:21.36 | \3TATUK | alsaconf has nothing to do with X |
| 02:21.40 | dec3pti0n | let me try an mp3 |
| 02:21.53 | dec3pti0n | that works fine and the alsamixer too |
| 02:22.07 | \3TATUK | oh just the applet is broken? |
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| 02:22.38 | \3TATUK | try to remove/readd it short of, yes, restarting X |
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| 02:23.23 | \3TATUK | but why doesn't iceweasel have scaling options in page setup? :| |
| 02:23.27 | icyo | is somebody have a good mp3/ogg player CLI to recommend or is somebody know how to configure mp3blaster to run with alsa (i don't understand the SDL playback thing :S ) |
| 02:23.48 | Titan8990 | i think vlc has a cli interfaces |
| 02:23.57 | \3TATUK | icyo: mpg321 |
| 02:24.24 | \3TATUK | scratch that*: mpg123 |
| 02:24.43 | doublehp | icyo: mplayer for life, on all OS, all platerforms, all env |
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| 02:25.10 | icyo | thanks you guys i'll try those in this order :P |
| 02:25.17 | doublehp | icyo: mplayer properly installed can read ALL formats in ANY situations |
| 02:25.49 | abrotman | doublehp: it doesn't like the videos from my digicam |
| 02:25.52 | pickcoder | I bet it can't read amiga tracker files.. :) |
| 02:26.00 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:26.05 | doublehp | abrotman: maybe you forgot some plugins :) |
| 02:26.24 | pickcoder | loved me some trackers |
| 02:26.34 | icyo | damn, i've just installed a soundblaster live 5.1 and the sound is working, but it is all choppy and full of "crap" any ideas? |
| 02:26.42 | abrotman | doublehp: it's a pretty new digicam |
| 02:26.46 | doublehp | pickcoder: ah yes, it could not either read the video included in the first release of Worms for DOS ... |
| 02:27.00 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:27.04 | doublehp | but all Windows players also failed on that :) |
| 02:27.06 | \3TATUK | icyo: which playback app? |
| 02:27.30 | icyo | any, i've just try it with aplay with wave it does the same |
| 02:27.58 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTSysmF9wQ8 |
| 02:28.01 | beardy | pickcoder: No, but vlc can I think. |
| 02:28.08 | pickcoder | beardy: really? |
| 02:28.19 | icyo | i was thinking it was the app, but then no every one i try do the same thing... |
| 02:28.23 | \3TATUK | icyo: try specifying digital/analog outputs .. i get crap sound when outputting to digital |
| 02:28.29 | beardy | pickcoder: Atleast some of the .mod formats, .xm, .s3m, maybe some more. |
| 02:28.36 | icyo | how can I do that in CLI ? |
| 02:28.41 | pickcoder | I had screamtracker not that long ago |
| 02:28.46 | beardy | pickcoder: Without any extra plugins. |
| 02:29.12 | \3TATUK | icyo: first check `aplay -l` |
| 02:29.25 | pickcoder | will have to check my floppies for oldies |
| 02:30.14 | icyo | \3TATUK : i've got only 1 playback device... |
| 02:30.15 | \3TATUK | icyo: then specify in format like "hw:0,0" (hw:card#,device#) to aplay with the -D param |
| 02:30.28 | \3TATUK | hm |
| 02:30.39 | beardy | pickcoder: Well, xmms otherwise, for most formats. (Though this "new" xmms2 I'm not sure about.. but should have plugins for most things too, like the old one..) |
| 02:30.47 | abrotman | audacious |
| 02:30.48 | icyo | but many ADC and Multichannel capture subdevice... |
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| 02:31.04 | beardy | Will see in.. a few days. |
| 02:31.09 | doublehp | beardy: XMMS not burried yet ???? |
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| 02:31.31 | \3TATUK | icyo: only one listed under `aplay -l` '**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****' ? |
| 02:31.34 | beardy | doublehp: Why would it be. Tell me about another player that does the same amount of formats. |
| 02:31.54 | abrotman | audacious? |
| 02:32.04 | icyo | \3TATUK : yes only one in multichannel playback |
| 02:32.12 | doublehp | beardy: when mplayer does not read a file on my machine, I give up at once. |
| 02:32.21 | beardy | doublehp: Your loss. |
| 02:32.29 | \3TATUK | icyo: what's this about multichannel? |
| 02:32.29 | abrotman | should send one of these digicam movies to doublehp |
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| 02:32.51 | doublehp | beardy: xmms hardly reads videos. |
| 02:32.58 | icyo | I don't know, I suppose it wrap all channel in one sub device as it is a "5.1" card... |
| 02:33.06 | beardy | doublehp: No? We have mplayer and vlc for video. |
| 02:33.12 | doublehp | abrotman: doublehp@gmail.com |
| 02:33.16 | beardy | doublehp: I'm talking about music formats. |
| 02:33.27 | beardy | Well audio. |
| 02:33.29 | \3TATUK | icyo: can you actually paste the output of `aplay -l`, heh? |
| 02:33.38 | abrotman | doublehp: the one i have is 220MB or so |
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| 02:33.59 | abrotman | oh .. i have a smaller one that's 2MB |
| 02:34.23 | beardy | abrotman: audacious looks very promising, thanks |
| 02:34.34 | abrotman | beardy: FYI ... it starts slower |
| 02:34.40 | \3TATUK | ... totem rocks just use proper codecs |
| 02:34.55 | pickcoder | too many codecs |
| 02:34.57 | \3TATUK | aka debian-multimedia.org |
| 02:35.07 | pickcoder | everyone has a better way of doing something someone already did |
| 02:35.29 | icyo | \3TATUK : ho my the conputer just froze when I tryed to change the jack from the surround (the only one that was making sound) to the front..... |
| 02:35.35 | doublehp | abrotman: sending it now ? otherwise, I got back to bed NOW |
| 02:35.39 | pickcoder | I couldn't imagine phyiscal media going that way too |
| 02:35.39 | icyo | i'll post it when the reboot is complete... |
| 02:35.54 | abrotman | doublehp: head to bed .. i'll find a better way to get it to you .. email is not a filesystem :) |
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| 02:36.12 | pickcoder | abrotman: it is if it's maildir.. heh |
| 02:36.17 | doublehp | abrotman: Gmail is :) |
| 02:36.50 | doublehp | abrotman: or mail me an URL on a depot (any file sharing like http://dl.free.fr ) |
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| 02:37.24 | pickcoder | snickers... send it in 1K .rar segments |
| 02:37.36 | beardy | Doesn't look like it plays SIDs though.. |
| 02:37.39 | \3TATUK | seriously though ... iceweasel is missing scaling options in page setup? arggggh |
| 02:37.45 | beardy | But otherwise a good candidate. |
| 02:38.25 | beardy | Ah.. there's a plugin. |
| 02:38.30 | beardy | will be happy then. |
| 02:38.46 | beardy | abrotman: Do you know if it chokes on quite big playlists? |
| 02:39.05 | abrotman | beardy: not that i know of |
| 02:39.10 | beardy | abrotman: >60-70k or so? |
| 02:39.28 | abrotman | beardy: NFC |
| 02:42.17 | pickcoder | that's not a playlist.. that's a museum |
| 02:42.52 | pickcoder | I don't even think I own 1/4 of that amount of songs |
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| 02:44.10 | icyo | \3TATUK: http://pastebin.com/d64a257f2 |
| 02:44.45 | icyo | ho lol, i've just noticed the list playback hardware devices on the top... so all of those a playback device!? |
| 02:45.46 | \3TATUK | honestly i dunno google for stuff specific to sblive also dammit iceweasel sucks! re-add the scaling options to page setup fsck |
| 02:46.57 | beardy | pickcoder: Well, the HVSC is >35k.. (and that's not counting subtunes), add ASMA, ProjectAY, and ..more. |
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| 02:48.19 | ajavid | $>dh --with quilt clean |
| 02:48.19 | ajavid | dh: --with quilt not supported or failed to load module Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::quilt |
| 02:48.27 | ajavid | is about to go apeshit. |
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| 02:48.37 | ajavid | why does debhelper suck so badly. |
| 02:48.50 | beardy | You're not paying enough. |
| 02:48.53 | ajavid | lol :) |
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| 02:50.41 | beardy | pickcoder: And modarchive.org has atleast before made itself available as torrents. I don't have them though now.. |
| 02:51.37 | ajavid | just doesn't want me to have a cleaner/smaller rules file |
| 02:51.43 | ajavid | its a conspiracy! |
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| 02:52.12 | ajavid | shakes a fist |
| 02:52.47 | xeon-enouf | !baboonsmite ajavid |
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| 02:53.05 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, remember that damn quilt issue from weeks ago |
| 02:53.11 | ajavid | creeping up again and I forgot wtf i did about it |
| 02:53.25 | ajavid | I have quilt installed and dh is throwing a fit |
| 02:53.54 | xeon-enouf | umm... |
| 02:54.10 | ajavid | yeh, you remember. |
| 02:54.22 | xeon-enouf | yep |
| 02:54.53 | xeon-enouf | knit one pearl two? |
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| 02:56.34 | ekontsevoy | After playing with brand new laptop (under Gnome) I noticed that my "Del" key works as usual only when accompanied by "Win" key. Which is weird. I wonder if that's caused by me using Apple keyboard for a while. Where should I look for suspicious settings that cause it? I checked Gnome's layout (it says "Standard PC keyboard") |
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| 02:57.14 | dec3pti0n | hehe never thought getting firefox started would be such a pain :) |
| 02:57.51 | nsadmin | you mean iceweasel right? you just install the package |
| 02:57.53 | beardy | !drxx ekontsevoy |
| 02:57.54 | dpkg | ekontsevoy: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 02:58.08 | dec3pti0n | nsadmin, no i meant ff 3.5 |
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| 02:58.19 | beardy | ekontsevoy: Change the keyboard model/layout if it is set to something you aren't using now. |
| 02:59.10 | ekontsevoy | beardy, dpkg: thanks guys! |
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| 02:59.57 | ekontsevoy | The issue was more stupid than I thought: I accidently pressed "Del" when configuring my gnome hotkeys and it got assigned to "restore window" action. I caught it just now - by accident, when hitting "Del" on a maximized window :) |
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| 03:00.17 | beardy | ekontsevoy: Hehe, oh, good. |
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| 03:03.35 | saebbi | damn.. i upgraded from stable to testing.. now all my postgres databases appear to be gone :/ |
| 03:04.44 | saebbi | why the hell does postgres delete all my databases when it is upgraded.. what kind of behavior is that |
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| 03:07.13 | Wyzard | hmm, apparently the ia32-apt-get package doesn't exist anymore... what's the current "right" way to get multiarch support in sid? |
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| 03:08.41 | dec3pti0n | is it not possible to install ff 3.5 on lenny ? |
| 03:08.54 | dserban_ | or log_daemon_msg for that matter |
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| 03:10.16 | JodaX | what do i use as a smtpd ? (easy to setup) |
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| 03:15.54 | rgr | JodaX: depends. I use exim4. postfix might do too as its simpler. |
| 03:15.57 | nilswerk | hey I am trying to install a qtcurve theme but can't seem to select it |
| 03:16.23 | nilswerk | I have kde ver 4.3, qtcurve, and the theme |
| 03:16.35 | nilswerk | but I can't select it in the themes manager |
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| 03:17.15 | JodaX | rgr, shit, postfix is Simpler ? |
| 03:17.47 | nilswerk | any suggestions would be greatly appreciated |
| 03:17.55 | nilswerk | I google w/ no luck |
| 03:17.56 | rgr | much simpler. |
| 03:18.08 | rgr | but as usual maybe default will just work for you. |
| 03:19.00 | JodaX | rgr, well i need one user (identified by username and pass) to be able to use smtpd |
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| 03:24.32 | pickcoder | JodaX: sasl logins are fairly easy to configure with postfix using the dovecot auth provider |
| 03:24.55 | pickcoder | if it's remote on the 'net then you'll want to enforce TLS as well |
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| 03:25.14 | pickcoder | I got SASL logins working in about 30 minutes |
| 03:25.26 | pickcoder | using the postfix SASL how-to |
| 03:25.33 | pickcoder | TLS is another story |
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| 03:30.17 | acm | anyone have experience with debian on a sheevaplug? |
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| 03:31.27 | acm | I just built one up and im getting some horribly slow usb throughput |
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| 03:41.18 | benjamindees | acm: what does 'lspci' say the usb controller on it is? |
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| 03:45.34 | acm | no output from lspci |
| 03:45.34 | acm | hah |
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| 03:46.02 | acm | lsusb says its a: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub |
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| 03:49.39 | dec3pti0n | yeah still no luck on the sound :( |
| 03:49.41 | kprav33n | How do I turn on debconf perl debug? |
| 03:49.54 | acm | If i plug the drive into another debian box - it gives 30-40ish MB/sec |
| 03:50.00 | acm | on the sheeva - its 500k |
| 03:53.10 | pickcoder | acm: what does lsusb -v say about the drive |
| 03:53.52 | pickcoder | i.e. bcdUSB is what |
| 03:54.10 | acm | 2.00 |
| 03:54.46 | acm | so im running the OS off of a crappy SD card....would that impact reading speeds from a ext usb drive? |
| 03:55.10 | benjamindees | 'grep -i high.*speed /var/log/message' |
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| 03:56.03 | acm | usb 1-1: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub |
| 03:56.25 | Wyzard | acm: "ls -l /sys/bus/usb/devices" should give some insight into what type of USB controller it is |
| 03:56.53 | Wyzard | On my system the items in there are symlinks to things in /sys/devices that indicate a PCI ID |
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| 03:57.38 | acm | looks like its all orion-ehci/usb1 stuff |
| 03:59.21 | Wyzard | Is that some sort of non-PCI USB controller? |
| 03:59.44 | Wyzard | EHCI is USB2, btw |
| 04:00.01 | Wyzard | A USB1 controller would be UHCI or OHCI |
| 04:00.04 | acm | right |
| 04:00.10 | acm | i have the ehci module loaded |
| 04:00.27 | acm | it could be non-pci |
| 04:01.15 | Wyzard | Well, I'm wondering since you said there was nothing in lspci |
| 04:01.25 | Rusty1 | http://www.held-im-ruhestand.de/software/sheevaplug/benchmarks acm |
| 04:01.44 | Wyzard | My /sys/bus/usb/devices entries look like this: |
| 04:01.47 | Wyzard | usb1 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.7/usb1 |
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| 04:02.19 | Wyzard | and the 0000:00:1a.7 corresponds to en entry from lspci |
| 04:02.25 | Wyzard | 00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) |
| 04:02.41 | Wyzard | so I'm curious what you have in there |
| 04:02.52 | acm | yea - lspci 2009-09-17 20:56 1-0:1.0 -> ../../../devices/platform/orion-ehci.0/usb1/1-0:1.0 |
| 04:03.12 | Wyzard | interesting, so it really isn't PCI |
| 04:03.14 | acm | I like the benchmarks - I need the speed! |
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| 04:05.35 | pickcoder | if it had 2 net jacks I'd make it a vpn dongle |
| 04:05.55 | acm | Its actually a pretty slick little computer |
| 04:06.12 | acm | I had a slug for years before....and this is like slug 4.0 |
| 04:06.40 | pickcoder | so the speed your complaining about is on the usb port or the SD slot? |
| 04:06.50 | acm | usb |
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| 04:07.05 | pickcoder | it's gotta be the drive or the cable |
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| 04:07.34 | pickcoder | do you have a usb key you can stick in it |
| 04:07.36 | djahandarie | Anyone know why this would be happening why I try to `aptitude install nvidia-glx' ? xserver-xorg-core: Conflicts: xserver-xorg-video-2 which is a virtual package. |
| 04:07.46 | acm | it will r/w to my crappy SD card (where the os is) at 10ish MB/sec |
| 04:07.56 | benjamindees | acm, try the squeeze kernel |
| 04:08.20 | djahandarie | It seems odd to me that xorg core would conflict with one of its modules |
| 04:08.23 | pickcoder | easyco is supposedly working on a device-level module that will increase linear writing speed for usb memory |
| 04:08.26 | pickcoder | including SD cards |
| 04:08.28 | djahandarie | This is on squeeze |
| 04:08.42 | pickcoder | I need to bug Doug and ask what's going on with it |
| 04:08.58 | acm | will squeezes kernel work? - it needs to be specific to the kirkwood architecture |
| 04:09.10 | acm | this is on lenny |
| 04:09.24 | acm | yea - ill have to do some testing with other usb devices |
| 04:09.38 | acm | if I get a thumb drive in there that screams...i know its the usb drive |
| 04:09.47 | pickcoder | I don't see how the kernel would affect the device's rate negotiation unless it's a bug in the USB module |
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| 04:11.15 | benjamindees | acm, oops actually ignore me I misread that benchmarks page |
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| 04:12.00 | nsadmin | djahandarie: what is it conflicting with precisely? |
| 04:12.51 | acm | thanks for the help fellas |
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| 04:14.45 | pickcoder | too bad they couldn't put an AC signal injector in there for 10MB interconnect |
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| 04:15.08 | pickcoder | that would be awesome to be able to cluster 'em over house wiring |
| 04:15.13 | phanbt | hi guys how do you install debian with no monitor or keyboard? |
| 04:15.33 | phanbt | just a console and ethernet interface? |
| 04:15.39 | nsadmin | phanbt: why do you haev to do that? |
| 04:15.48 | djahandarie | nsadmin, it says xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video-2 are conflicting, and then asks me to remove all of xorg and xserver-xorg-* |
| 04:16.08 | djahandarie | Alternative is to not install nvidia-glx |
| 04:16.21 | phanbt | it's a hardware without those interfaces |
| 04:16.22 | nsadmin | djahandarie: sounds like you're mixing debian versions |
| 04:16.44 | djahandarie | I thought about that, but I looked into all the packages and they were all testing |
| 04:16.51 | nsadmin | phanbt: what interface does it have? |
| 04:17.09 | phanbt | just serial and ethernet interface |
| 04:17.12 | pickcoder | phanbt: look at serial or network console setups. You'll probably have to build a custom installer |
| 04:17.21 | pickcoder | unless you can find one online |
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| 04:18.26 | phanbt | hmm i'm looking for headless installation instruction |
| 04:18.31 | phanbt | but can't find any |
| 04:18.41 | clarjon1 | wow, just wow |
| 04:18.53 | nsadmin | shamwow! |
| 04:19.03 | clarjon1 | nsadmin: DebianWow! |
| 04:19.05 | pickcoder | phanbt: you can probably use the automated installer info |
| 04:19.26 | clarjon1 | nsadmin: s2ram (aka sleep mode) now works on my laptop!!! |
| 04:19.52 | clarjon1 | nsadmin: It's running faster than ever before (even faster than 32bit) and just... WOW |
| 04:19.57 | nsadmin | phanbt: so pickcoder said a few things about what you might need |
| 04:20.13 | ajavid | hi |
| 04:20.24 | pickcoder | !tell phanbt about fai |
| 04:20.37 | benjamindees | phanbt, there is a sshd installer package for remote install. google. |
| 04:20.41 | nsadmin | clarjon1: oh, you have a 64 bit cpu? |
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| 04:20.57 | clarjon1 | nsadmin: Yeah, one which is supposed to degrade performance (So i've heard) when in 64bit mode :P |
| 04:21.07 | clarjon1 | AMD 64 Athlon X2 |
| 04:21.33 | nsadmin | why is it supposed to degrade? |
| 04:21.37 | clarjon1 | i dunno |
| 04:21.55 | pickcoder | memory segment size? |
| 04:22.00 | pickcoder | for low memory apps? |
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| 04:22.13 | pickcoder | I don't remember exactly now |
| 04:22.36 | pickcoder | I've noticed no real difference, personally |
| 04:22.40 | nsadmin | is it because it's that cpu? or something else? |
| 04:22.48 | wino | Hey guys, new debian user here but I've been running *nix systems for about 8 years |
| 04:22.57 | clarjon1 | nsadmin: When my system was 'stuck' in powersave mode (cpufreq switch) because my user wasn't in the powerdev group, it was running at 800ghz, which gave me about the same performance as it in 32bit mode at full speed (1.7ghz) |
| 04:23.04 | clarjon1 | er |
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| 04:23.12 | clarjon1 | typo lol |
| 04:23.14 | wino | how does debian handle >4GB of memory on amd64? any gotchas or hard limits? |
| 04:23.29 | clarjon1 | 800 mhz :P |
| 04:23.49 | djahandarie | nsadmin, it says right in the 'aptitude show xserver-xorg-core' that it conflicts with xserver-xorg-video-2, and nvidia-glx says that it provides that package |
| 04:24.17 | djahandarie | Was support for nvidia-glx removed or something? |
| 04:24.22 | pickcoder | wino: hard limit for what? |
| 04:24.34 | nsadmin | djahandarie: ok, so maybe you could rebuild that package |
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| 04:24.38 | wino | Installed/usable memory |
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| 04:25.12 | nsadmin | and/or find out from the control file exactly what's being conflicted with |
| 04:25.13 | wino | I usually use OpenBSD boxes and the stock kernel will only support up to 4GB of memory and then the kernel needs to be hacked, but it's not that stable |
| 04:25.36 | wino | So my boxes with more than 4GB of memory I've been putting FreeBSD on 'em |
| 04:25.53 | nsadmin | well 64 bit cpus should have more address pins |
| 04:26.05 | benjamindees | phanbt, actually I take it back. there are the *beginnings* of a couple of remote installers that you can find here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
| 04:26.46 | phanbt | benjamindees: thanks |
| 04:26.47 | pickcoder | wino: how much RAM are you planning on installing |
| 04:26.51 | acdimalev | Uh... |
| 04:27.09 | acdimalev | If you want to use more than 4GB of RAM, then you need to use a 64-bit installation. |
| 04:27.16 | pickcoder | acdimalev: no.. that's not true |
| 04:27.17 | acdimalev | Or at least a 64-bit kernel. |
| 04:27.22 | pickcoder | neither is that |
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| 04:27.46 | pickcoder | you can easily address 16GB of RAM with PAE on a 32-bit kernel using the bigmem version |
| 04:27.52 | acdimalev | What, they have more ugly hacks for other memory models other than the 1,3 and 2,2? |
| 04:27.55 | wino | pickcoder: right now I have a box that uses 12GB of ram, but I'm just curious to the limitations of Debian (I Swear I'm not a troll) |
| 04:28.01 | wino | Nice! |
| 04:28.09 | acdimalev | Oh... bigmem. |
| 04:28.13 | acdimalev | Sorry, you're right. |
| 04:28.15 | pickcoder | if you are doing computations, get AMD64 |
| 04:28.27 | djahandarie | PAE is ugly as hell |
| 04:28.36 | wino | Yeah everything I use in production is amd64 |
| 04:28.54 | pickcoder | djahandarie: and the 40-bit limit on the 64 chips is too |
| 04:29.25 | clarjon1 | pickcoder: I am Very Pleased with the performance i'm seeing on my amd64 kernel for everyday desktop stuff :P |
| 04:29.49 | pickcoder | wino: it's your call.. you can run the 64-bit kernel and run the ia32-libs package if you need 32-bit compat |
| 04:29.50 | ekontsevoy | Hm... how come local machines on my home net (all linux) connected via DHCP always get resolved as hostname. as opposed to just host? Why is that dot there? |
| 04:30.26 | acdimalev | Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't 32-bit Debian also package 64-bit kernels? |
| 04:30.40 | pickcoder | not that I'm aware of |
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| 04:30.46 | zinx | it does |
| 04:30.52 | zinx | or did at one point, at the very least |
| 04:31.07 | benjamindees | the amd64 kernels are 64 bit right? |
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| 04:31.23 | pickcoder | ah.. yeah it is |
| 04:31.24 | hark | acdimalev: yes |
| 04:31.25 | pickcoder | my mistake |
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| 04:31.32 | dec3pti0n | is alsamixer supposed to work only called my root ? my sound works only as root |
| 04:31.37 | pickcoder | linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
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| 04:31.59 | hark | dec3pti0n: are you in the audio group? |
| 04:32.02 | acdimalev | Yeah... using a 64-bit kernel may be just want you want if you're looking for using larger amounts of memory. |
| 04:32.04 | clarjon1 | benjamindees: |
| 04:32.08 | clarjon1 | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Aug 14 07:12:04 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:32.26 | acdimalev | Well... so long as you don't expect the individual programs to use more than... what was the limit, two gigs? |
| 04:32.37 | pickcoder | benjamindees: yes.. they are for the amd64/em64t processors |
| 04:33.16 | ajavid | ajavid@ajavid.podzone.org 0.22 /home/ajavid/tmp 0 files using 4.1k |
| 04:33.17 | ajavid | $>sudo rm -rf /* |
| 04:33.17 | ajavid | rm: cannot remove directory `/dev/shm': Device or resource busy |
| 04:33.17 | ajavid | rm: cannot remove `/dev/pts/9': Operation not permitted |
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| 04:33.17 | bpun | dec3pti0n, should work with normal accounts too |
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| 04:33.31 | ajavid | wtf |
| 04:33.37 | ajavid | hate his mouse |
| 04:33.38 | clarjon1 | heh |
| 04:33.43 | ajavid | goddam middle click |
| 04:33.46 | acdimalev | And you don't need applications to seek across files that are over two gigs in size... if I have that limit correct. |
| 04:33.50 | acdimalev | Fun limitations. |
| 04:34.02 | clarjon1 | eh? |
| 04:34.13 | ajavid | need to redo a box, simply mount, chroot rm -rf /, :D |
| 04:34.27 | dec3pti0n | this is what i get http://pastebin.ca/1570464 |
| 04:34.34 | dec3pti0n | I'm in the audio group |
| 04:34.36 | ajavid | now to go back to lenny on this one |
| 04:34.37 | clarjon1 | looks at his VirtualBox that is seeking over a 20gb file ... |
| 04:34.41 | ajavid | needed another stable server |
| 04:34.49 | acdimalev | ajavid, you have something against formatting? |
| 04:34.53 | ajavid | bye bye sid box |
| 04:34.59 | ajavid | acdimalev, yes |
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| 04:35.15 | ajavid | trust me, I know what I'm doing. |
| 04:35.20 | acdimalev | ajavid, that's an interesting bias. |
| 04:35.21 | ajavid | thanks for the concern. |
| 04:35.21 | clarjon1 | ajavid: giant HDD with ext3 |
| 04:35.23 | clarjon1 | ? |
| 04:35.28 | dec3pti0n | i'm restarting the box to see what happens after the changes i've done |
| 04:35.28 | ajavid | clarjon1, bingo |
| 04:35.40 | ajavid | clarjon1, 1.5tb |
| 04:35.41 | acdimalev | I miss my reiserfs... . |
| 04:35.42 | clarjon1 | ajavid: I use reiserfs on my giant drives :P |
| 04:35.49 | ajavid | I'm about to go ext4 |
| 04:35.53 | ajavid | reiser 3 or 4? |
| 04:35.59 | clarjon1 | eh |
| 04:36.00 | ajavid | i have not used rfs in ages |
| 04:36.03 | clarjon1 | nfc |
| 04:36.06 | acdimalev | How much of the drive is 1.5tb drive is full? |
| 04:36.07 | clarjon1 | no freaking clue |
| 04:36.08 | clarjon1 | XD |
| 04:36.13 | ajavid | acdimalev, 98% |
| 04:36.16 | clarjon1 | o.O |
| 04:36.20 | ajavid | acdimalev, don't ask. |
| 04:36.22 | nsadmin | ext4 is reiser? |
| 04:36.22 | acdimalev | Probably be faster to format. |
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| 04:36.24 | clarjon1 | PRON |
| 04:36.25 | djahandarie | ajavid, meh, ext4........ |
| 04:36.28 | clarjon1 | XD |
| 04:36.31 | djahandarie | ajavid, BTRFS. :D |
| 04:36.31 | ajavid | djahandarie, hey... bpo kernel man! |
| 04:36.34 | ajavid | ext4 is good |
| 04:36.38 | ajavid | what? |
| 04:36.40 | ajavid | !btrfs |
| 04:36.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, btrfs is a new copy on write filesystem for Linux aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Initially developed by Oracle, Btrfs is licensed under the GPL, see http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org, not ready for production use. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.29 and later. |
| 04:36.59 | ajavid | hmm, interesting |
| 04:37.13 | pickcoder | copy on write fs.. gee that's innovative |
| 04:37.26 | ajavid | pickcoder, whas ineresting is that I'v enot heard of this fs before |
| 04:37.29 | ajavid | brand new to me. |
| 04:37.34 | pickcoder | interesting or sad? |
| 04:37.34 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:37.37 | ajavid | both |
| 04:37.38 | ajavid | :) |
| 04:37.40 | ajavid | sad but true! |
| 04:37.50 | acdimalev | ajavid, I miss both, but Reiser3 met my needs well enough. |
| 04:37.55 | ajavid | I see |
| 04:37.59 | pickcoder | MV has been doing write triggers since the early 70's |
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| 04:38.17 | pickcoder | (mostly for transactional logging, though) |
| 04:38.17 | acdimalev | ajavid, is that a backup server or some other wonderful piece of fun? |
| 04:38.36 | ajavid | I don't know WTF I did, right, but my developer has a stable lenny lamp server, and he passes ALL unit tests fine. I check out his latest revision, and I run the tests, and all fail |
| 04:38.37 | djahandarie | ajavid, I run a high-traffic mysql-server on NILFS2 which is great as well |
| 04:38.42 | ajavid | I'm trying to find out why |
| 04:38.51 | ajavid | earlier it was the php5-suhosin patch hosin' my box |
| 04:38.55 | ajavid | I got rid of it, now this... |
| 04:38.59 | ajavid | ahhh boy |
| 04:39.32 | ajavid | thats why I'm trying to go lenny on this box real quick, install lamp, see what it does on a default, minimal lamp config |
| 04:39.35 | djahandarie | Either way, I can't figure out why the hell damn xserver-xorg-core is conflicting with one of its own modules... >.> |
| 04:39.48 | ajavid | djahandarie, testing/sid? |
| 04:39.51 | hark | djahandarie: because it doesn't work with it? |
| 04:39.57 | clarjon1 | djahandarie: Version MisMatch? |
| 04:40.06 | ajavid | djahandarie, currently 7.4 has started move into testing |
| 04:40.11 | ajavid | if you are on testing... just chill. |
| 04:40.16 | djahandarie | ajavid, yeah, I am |
| 04:40.19 | ajavid | then chill |
| 04:40.29 | ajavid | wait for the transition to complete |
| 04:40.32 | hark | djahandarie: which module? |
| 04:40.56 | clarjon1 | wishes that they could have packaged kde4 so that it doesn't wipe out kde3 :P |
| 04:41.08 | djahandarie | hark, makes sense now that I know it's transitioning. It's the proprietery nvidia-glx module that supplies xserver-xorg-video-2 |
| 04:41.16 | ajavid | clarjon1, life's a bitch |
| 04:41.20 | clarjon1 | yep |
| 04:41.24 | ajavid | clarjon1, I would have liked to keep kde3 in squeez |
| 04:41.38 | djahandarie | There was a conflict with xserver-xorg-video-2 with xserver-xorg-core and I was like, wtf? |
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| 04:41.52 | clarjon1 | Guess i'll either have to compile kde3 once kde4 stabilizes enough for me lol |
| 04:41.53 | ajavid | ok guys bbl |
| 04:41.55 | hark | djahandarie: yeah, use the sid driver. it does not seem to have that conflict |
| 04:42.05 | clarjon1 | or compile kde4 myself |
| 04:42.05 | ajavid | hark, its due to the transitional phase |
| 04:42.07 | djahandarie | hark, alrighty, I'll try it out |
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| 04:42.26 | annastassia18 | hiiiii |
| 04:42.27 | ajavid | once 7.4 has fully moved into testing you'll be alright |
| 04:42.28 | annastassia18 | all |
| 04:42.35 | annastassia18 | im 18 year old. |
| 04:42.36 | annastassia18 | you? |
| 04:42.45 | ajavid | though if you try 7.5 on stable... it kicks ass. |
| 04:42.56 | ajavid | annastassia18, do you have a debian related support question? |
| 04:42.59 | annastassia18 | anyone wants to chat here?????? |
| 04:43.07 | acdimalev | annastassia18, that sounds like a #defocus subject. |
| 04:43.14 | annastassia18 | huh? |
| 04:43.16 | annastassia18 | hehehe |
| 04:43.25 | Thurin1 | annastassia18: Yes! Let's talk about Lua! |
| 04:43.25 | hark | ajavid: it's already moved to testing |
| 04:43.27 | annastassia18 | just alone right now almost 18 hehe |
| 04:43.31 | ajavid | hark, all of it |
| 04:43.33 | annastassia18 | just lua? |
| 04:43.33 | ajavid | updates |
| 04:43.34 | annastassia18 | hehe |
| 04:43.35 | clarjon1 | annastassia18: This is a geek channel. |
| 04:43.40 | annastassia18 | i was looking for a ssexx chat? |
| 04:43.43 | Thurin1 | annastassia18: booo |
| 04:43.44 | annastassia18 | do you kn ow any of those? |
| 04:43.44 | ajavid | hark, few days ago I was broken |
| 04:43.47 | ajavid | hadn't booted the box |
| 04:43.49 | clarjon1 | annastassia18: This is a Computer Chat |
| 04:43.51 | djahandarie | ajavid, I'll just grab the sid package and then when the transition is done I'll move back to testing |
| 04:44.01 | ajavid | hark informs me i tis complete |
| 04:44.01 | Thurin1 | annastassia18: This about Linux, be gone. |
| 04:44.08 | annastassia18 | ahh sorry |
| 04:44.09 | ajavid | I was not aware, I'm lagging behind in my updates |
| 04:44.12 | Thurin1 | Or chat Gnu :P |
| 04:44.29 | ajavid | annastassia18, /server irc.undernet.org -j #chat |
| 04:44.52 | acdimalev | djahandarie, that sounds ugly. If you don't have patience for the packages, is there any reason you aren't using stable with backports? |
| 04:44.54 | annastassia18 | if theres anyone who wants to chat about sex let me know hehe |
| 04:44.55 | hark | ajavid: it was pretty quick, both sid and testing were somehow updated together iirc |
| 04:45.06 | ajavid | hark, nicely done |
| 04:45.07 | Thurin1 | Did anyone else notice the big difference in speed between etch/lenny? |
| 04:45.17 | Thurin1 | I did |
| 04:45.19 | clarjon1 | annastassia18: use the server irc.icq.com, and in the room #ophelp they LOVE to get kinky there |
| 04:45.20 | Thurin1 | :) |
| 04:45.30 | benjamindees | Thurin1, in which direction? |
| 04:45.41 | Thurin1 | benjamindees: > Lenny |
| 04:45.42 | bpun | Thurin1, nope |
| 04:45.48 | ajavid | not really |
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| 04:46.00 | ajavid | I should get to work on this. bbl |
| 04:46.00 | Thurin1 | Etch on the same machine is much slower in the default install or even with desktop |
| 04:46.03 | Thurin1 | really? |
| 04:46.09 | Thurin1 | I noticed big gain |
| 04:46.21 | djahandarie | acdimalev, I normally do have patience, just not for my video driver |
| 04:46.22 | bpun | Thurin1, nope again |
| 04:46.30 | Thurin1 | Oki |
| 04:46.32 | djahandarie | I just updated at the wrong time I guess |
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| 04:46.48 | benjamindees | I notice latex is a bit better and firefox has some bug fixes |
| 04:47.11 | clarjon1 | is using Shiretoko :D |
| 04:47.19 | Thurin1 | Meh, I don't even use firefox really I tend to stick to evil opera |
| 04:47.35 | bpun | benjamindees, do you know what latex is? |
| 04:47.40 | djahandarie | I'm using the dev channel chrome build |
| 04:47.44 | djahandarie | It actually runs really nice for me |
| 04:47.46 | clarjon1 | bpun: It's spelled LaTeX |
| 04:47.59 | benjamindees | bpun, tetex then |
| 04:48.17 | clarjon1 | likes his Shiretoko web browser :D |
| 04:48.17 | bpun | benjamindees, firefox has nothing to do with latex or tetex |
| 04:48.19 | benjamindees | er, or whatever replaced it |
| 04:48.34 | djahandarie | texlive? |
| 04:48.44 | acdimalev | clarjon1, I wouldn't want to try actually spelling LaTeX in chat... there isn't exactly the typesetting for it. |
| 04:48.49 | benjamindees | yeah that |
| 04:48.54 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 04:48.58 | clarjon1 | true, acdimalev |
| 04:49.08 | bpun | benjamindees, you make absolutely no sense.. since latex is a macro language.. |
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| 04:49.36 | clarjon1 | rewrote a script that output a FileMaker database to a Quark Express document to a LaTeX generated PDF file :D |
| 04:49.38 | benjamindees | bpun, it's also a nice script |
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| 04:51.09 | clarjon1 | loves his job, his boss lets him use his laptop :D |
| 04:51.41 | bpun | clarjon1, lucky.. my female boss only spanks me |
| 04:51.50 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 04:51.56 | roger- | How can I find out which package installed a particular command (in this case, "free")? |
| 04:52.16 | acdimalev | :( |
| 04:52.24 | roger- | I've searched for it, but it appears to be part of a larger package |
| 04:52.27 | acdimalev | clarjon1: I don't want to see my boss's porn. |
| 04:52.29 | bpun | roger-, dpkg -S `which command` |
| 04:52.40 | bpun | roger-, apt-file does searches for noninstalled cmds as well |
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| 04:53.23 | nsadmin | well for things that are not packaged, including things that are not commands |
| 04:53.27 | clarjon1 | acdimalev: lol. I built a server for work, it replaced a mac based one. Improved the code's reliability and productivity many many many times :D |
| 04:53.51 | benjamindees | gives clarjon1 a gold star |
| 04:54.26 | nsadmin | goldstar still makes monitors?! |
| 04:54.53 | clarjon1 | benjamindees: I dragged in an old desktop that i was using on and off as a test server at home, and it's been purring happily with only 3 problems that came up during it's lifetime -- stuff that had to do with the ISP, no less XD |
| 04:55.16 | bpun | knows better. bpun gives clarjon1 one of his porn stars |
| 04:55.16 | clarjon1 | I lost it's Awesome Uptime cuz we had to shut 'er down to install a UPS :P |
| 04:55.24 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 04:55.25 | roger- | thanks bpun |
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| 04:55.29 | clarjon1 | thanks but no thanks, i've got a gf XD |
| 04:56.06 | bpun | I wasn't suggesting roger-, <-> clarjon1 |
| 04:56.08 | benjamindees | looks down at his gold stars |
| 04:56.13 | bpun | yikes |
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| 04:56.18 | benjamindees | looks at bpun's porn stars |
| 04:56.23 | bpun | roger-, i think clarjon1 is straight.. |
| 04:56.26 | clarjon1 | gives the porn star to benjamindees |
| 04:56.31 | bpun | lol |
| 04:57.04 | nsadmin | looks at the porn stars too... EWWW! they're male! |
| 04:57.51 | bpun | had a gold star but it was too much of a dumb terminal, a porn star would be better :) |
| 04:58.39 | bpun | nobody is active in the dev channels |
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| 04:59.03 | bpun | (trying to find a particular lib) |
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| 05:01.07 | clarjon1 | NetEcho: Net Problems Much? :P |
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| 05:02.35 | NetEcho | ? |
| 05:02.44 | NetEcho | only on this network apparently |
| 05:02.55 | NetEcho | ugh |
| 05:03.08 | NetEcho | someone is exploiting the malformed DCC bug |
| 05:03.18 | NetEcho | brb |
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| 05:04.12 | NetEcho | there clarjon1 problem solved heh |
| 05:04.21 | clarjon1 | NetEcho: What exploit? |
| 05:04.25 | NetEcho | I usually have it connect on port 8001 but when I formated I guess I didn't have the updated auto-connect script |
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| 05:04.48 | NetEcho | clarjon1: some routers will close a connection on port 6667 when the exploiter uses some malforced DCC connection to trigger it |
| 05:05.26 | NetEcho | the Linksys WRT54G serise is among the affected routers |
| 05:05.26 | clarjon1 | oooh |
| 05:05.30 | clarjon1 | ouch |
| 05:05.40 | NetEcho | doesn't work if you're not on port 6667 tho lol |
| 05:05.42 | clarjon1 | I guess it's to protect winblows users, huh? |
| 05:05.59 | NetEcho | nope its not even a Windows exploit |
| 05:06.05 | NetEcho | the router intercepts the packet and errors out |
| 05:06.14 | NetEcho | doesn't even reach the operating system |
| 05:06.20 | acdimalev | One more reason to use OpenWRT |
| 05:06.41 | pickcoder | or a build a Debian router |
| 05:06.41 | NetEcho | hacked firmwares on the newer versions of the 54G don't work so well |
| 05:07.10 | NetEcho | pickcoder I intend to build a *nix router one day |
| 05:08.04 | NetEcho | but I'd probably use FreeSCO instead of a full blown distro |
| 05:08.31 | NetEcho | and no its not SCO as in SCO unix |
| 05:08.38 | NetEcho | its somehow supposed to mean Free Cisco lol |
| 05:08.40 | acdimalev | NetEcho, I ordered a WRT54GL for that very reason. |
| 05:08.47 | pickcoder | ubiquity boards are nice. Stick a minimal Debian install on it. |
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| 05:10.34 | NetEcho | but thats all for when I have the time to do some interesting stuff |
| 05:11.04 | NetEcho | I wanna do a homemade router/firewall as well as run a Asterix server |
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| 05:11.17 | clarjon1 | made a router for work :D |
| 05:11.19 | bpun | is nscd supposed to be installed on a standard/or minimal debian install? |
| 05:12.37 | rush | Hello. I have a problem with kbd driver in xorg (debian testing). When I switch Option "AllowEmptyInput" off, in xdm, i have 3 sybols printed instead of one, and when I switch to russian layout, it fails. When I switch this option on - I can't switch layouts. Here is my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m78120570 |
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| 05:20.22 | docgnome | hrm... having some problems setting up eth1 to come up on boot |
| 05:20.27 | benjamindees | bpun, absolutely not |
| 05:21.47 | clarjon1 | benjamindees: Too slow :P he left already |
| 05:21.56 | docgnome | i've set allow-hotplug eth1 and set iface eth1 inet static and gave it an address and broadcast but it doesn't come up on boot |
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| 05:23.04 | benjamindees | docgnome, add 'auto eth1' to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:25.30 | docgnome | doh |
| 05:25.33 | docgnome | benjamindees: thanks. |
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| 05:31.21 | dean1012yh | hey all |
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| 05:31.55 | dean1012yh | am I missing a sources.list entry? |
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| 06:08.03 | nixguy | hi we have a toos directory which we intend to mount on all our servers and it will have certain binaries |
| 06:08.30 | nixguy | is it better to compile the binaries in sttaic mode? |
| 06:08.34 | nixguy | static |
| 06:08.41 | nixguy | rather than shared |
| 06:08.58 | nixguy | since they are run in multiple servers |
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| 06:10.57 | puddles | and the multiple servers have different libraries or something? |
| 06:11.02 | acdimalev | I wouldn't personally run binaries off of a shared directory, but I figure that depends on whether or not the servers are going to generally be running the same distribution and have the same libraries installed. |
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| 06:13.39 | benjamindees | static is probably better but keep up with security updates |
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| 06:15.33 | nixguy | it will be different servers |
| 06:15.41 | nixguy | diff versions |
| 06:15.59 | nixguy | so libraries will be diff |
| 06:17.52 | acdimalev | Sounds like you need to statically link then. |
| 06:18.04 | acdimalev | And hopefully everything will "just work". |
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| 06:18.27 | puddles | nixguy: the problem with that is the binary might fail to link at runtime. you might have libraries with certain version different than what the program is looking for, so you might get "version not found" at runtime (even if they may have the same name on the filesystem) |
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| 06:20.10 | puddles | nixguy: suck it up and compile different versions for each distro you plan to support :-) |
| 06:20.38 | nixguy | so its copied to directory which is mounted on all the servers |
| 06:20.44 | dutchfish | puddles, i thought thats why we have scripting languages |
| 06:21.02 | acdimalev | dutchfish, a wonderfully valid point. |
| 06:21.02 | nixguy | so cant install on the machines |
| 06:21.24 | puddles | dutchfish: well you don't know his requirements .... maybe he's doing something that can't be done (or done efficiently) with scripting language |
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| 06:21.54 | dutchfish | puddles, true, but i bet 99% can be done for ones needs |
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| 06:22.29 | dutchfish | puddles, you can even script your own daemons |
| 06:23.01 | puddles | dutchfish: not disputing that |
| 06:23.08 | nixguy | i can compile only two verisions x86 and x86_64 |
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| 06:23.14 | nixguy | thats the policy |
| 06:23.27 | nixguy | if it does not work as static |
| 06:23.37 | nixguy | then i will see |
| 06:24.01 | benjamindees | what are you compiling? nothing large I hope |
| 06:24.25 | puddles | nixguy: policy ... is this some sort of commercial app? |
| 06:24.39 | nixguy | no its doxygen |
| 06:25.09 | puddles | nixguy: what ... doxygen is available on so many distros these days. you want the absolute latest or something? |
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| 06:25.32 | nixguy | yeah the version i need is not available |
| 06:25.43 | nixguy | on the systems installed on |
| 06:25.45 | nixguy | one |
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| 06:26.14 | puddles | nixguy: why not just fix your code instead? :-) |
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| 06:27.54 | nixguy | its not my code |
| 06:28.09 | nixguy | i dont have direct control over it |
| 06:28.48 | puddles | nixguy: yeah, compile doxygen static. i don't see how it would benefit from dynamic linking ... not in this case |
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| 06:34.30 | dserban_ | oh fun! I have to compile stuff in order to have something work... because the debian package is three releases behind. |
| 06:35.15 | puddles | dserban: are you being sarcastic? |
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| 06:35.57 | dserban_ | Yes? :) I have to compile from source.. because the version in deb is too old... even in sid. And there's no experimental package |
| 06:36.23 | stew | dserban_: is there a wishlist bug filed against the package for the newer upstream version? |
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| 06:37.04 | Petein | hello. im using ubuntu for the last 3 years but im not a guru.i want to switch to debian and i want to make a couple of questions.will i be able to configure my system with gui tools as i was able in ubuntu? (having gnome as a wm) |
| 06:37.14 | dserban_ | stew, yeah it's classified as normal |
| 06:37.36 | stew | dserban_: does the package have an active maintainer? |
| 06:37.42 | dserban_ | I remember running into this last time I had new hardware with the same package... it was a few more versions behind at the time. |
| 06:37.57 | dserban_ | stew, it has a whole team |
| 06:38.10 | puddles | stew: well, debian moves at a glacial pace :-) |
| 06:38.24 | bpun | Petein, y, there's synaptic and aptitude.. |
| 06:38.30 | stew | yeah, that's the problem with team maintanence, nobody owns the package so its easy for each individual on the team to ignore it |
| 06:38.41 | bpun | Petein, aptitude is textual menu.. synaptic is an X app |
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| 06:39.23 | Petein | bpun: yes im speaking about auto mounting my hard drives when the system gets installed |
| 06:39.25 | stew | dserban_: prepare a package and offfer it as a patch to the bug? |
| 06:39.42 | Petein | bpun: if it will be like ubuntu but lighter in the terms of packages |
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| 06:40.16 | dserban_ | puddles, heh well the bug report has people offering patches to keep the delta smaller. It's tough, but I've even thought of dumping debian for this one single package.... Then I shook my head and decided to compile |
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| 06:40.33 | bpun | Petein, ^, are you using the tools i mentioned? |
| 06:40.39 | puddles | dserban: what package is this by the way? |
| 06:40.58 | dserban_ | stew, it's too broken :(. I want to ... totally tear it a new one... but again then it'd get orphaned... to big a job. |
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| 06:41.05 | dserban_ | err s/to/too/ |
| 06:41.08 | bpun | Petein, synaptic, you never heard of it? |
| 06:41.11 | Petein | bpun: synaptic and aptitude? yes.but this is for installing software. you mean that i ll be able to d/l them when the system is installed? |
| 06:41.15 | dserban_ | puddles, lirc |
| 06:41.23 | bpun | !synaptic |
| 06:41.25 | puddles | petein: stuff like plugging in USB disks and have it show on desktop, encrypted partition support (prompting for password, etc.) --- all this is done via dbus / udev these days |
| 06:41.26 | Petein | bpun: ofcourse i know synaptic.will my drives be mounted? |
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| 06:41.57 | Petein | puddles: yes i know that but does debian do all those when installed? |
| 06:42.08 | bpun | Petein, if u mean "/", y, that's always mounted |
| 06:42.22 | Petein | bpun: no i mean my ntfs partition |
| 06:42.27 | dserban_ | stew, ubuntu has a better package imho just not a better distro... seems the lirc team is sleeping... |
| 06:42.36 | Petein | bpun: because i use windoze as well |
| 06:42.50 | ajavid | hey don't you think debootstrap should install locales by default? |
| 06:42.55 | bpun | Petein, who's setup your ntfs mountpoint? |
| 06:43.04 | ajavid | it seems an unrequired manual step which could just be automated |
| 06:43.18 | puddles | bpun: he wants stuff to appear in /media, via double-clicking icons on desktop |
| 06:43.19 | Petein | bpun: i can found it when installing ubuntu into /mnt/win1 for example |
| 06:43.22 | ajavid | it seems almost every chroot setup you do you MUST install the locales and configure/generate |
| 06:43.30 | puddles | bpun: that's my guess |
| 06:43.31 | stew | dserban_: if you aren't willing to work on the package yourself, you might at least ping the bug, as the last time it was pinged was a few months ago |
| 06:43.38 | bpun | Petein, that's just a one liner in /etc/fstab.. |
| 06:44.27 | puddles | petein: oh well, i'm just guessing what you're really asking :-) good luck |
| 06:44.35 | dserban_ | stew, yeah I will. I'd work on the package, though it's just too big |
| 06:44.36 | bpun | Petein, just use synaptic to install the ntfs driver.. the only thing you need to do really is make sure "non-free" and "contrib" are included in the repos ( it is not the "restrictive" keywords as used in ubuntu) |
| 06:44.43 | bpun | Petein, and add dmm |
| 06:44.44 | bpun | !dmm |
| 06:44.45 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 06:45.24 | bpun | Petein, it depends how much you really want to poke around .. |
| 06:45.50 | bpun | Petein, if you know what /etc/fstab is and what an ntfs module is.. you can pretty much have a foothold somewhere |
| 06:47.07 | Petein | bpun: i know what fstab is... |
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| 06:47.30 | Petein | bpun: but i understand that it will get me a long time to setup my system as i want it |
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| 06:48.20 | puddles | petein: how long are we talking about ... a couple of hours for tweaks? |
| 06:48.21 | Petein | puddles: your guess was right. |
| 06:48.57 | bpun | Petein, ubuntu shares many same package names as debian, you can reuse the dpkg --get-selections to a text file.. |
| 06:49.02 | bpun | !get-selections |
| 06:49.13 | bpun | !selections |
| 06:49.14 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
| 06:49.44 | puddles | bpun: i think you're looking at packages while petein might be looking at usability, two different things |
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| 06:50.09 | bpun | puddles, ^ |
| 06:50.16 | puddles | bpun: that's like you talk about packages while petein is talking about pointy-clicky things in NetworkManager |
| 06:50.28 | bpun | puddles, read above |
| 06:50.38 | puddles | i know about get-selections and set-selections :-) |
| 06:51.23 | bpun | puddles, ask him what he wants to do, obviously he said so.. |
| 06:51.30 | Petein | puddles, bpun well... i suppose i ll stay to ubuntu |
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| 06:51.50 | Petein | puddles: bpun i dont want to get into trouble and i need some rest |
| 06:51.56 | puddles | petein: considering ubuntu is really debian with tweaks :-) |
| 06:52.12 | bpun | Petein, no trouble here.. you can try to explain to puddles what you're trying to accomplish.. |
| 06:52.13 | puddles | petein: and if you're happy with ubuntu, there's no real need, right? |
| 06:52.29 | bpun | Petein, if you want to do it anyway.. i don't mind.. but that's how i would do it.. by using selections |
| 06:52.32 | Petein | puddles: my pc is 4-5 years old |
| 06:52.37 | Vratha | Heh, ubuntu is not debian beyond the package manager |
| 06:52.53 | bpun | He wants to install debian |
| 06:53.10 | Petein | bpun: and i want to give life to it and use my fav software as well |
| 06:53.14 | bpun | well was/is/may in the futre be considering to use debian -- and possibly wipe out his ubuntu.. |
| 06:53.28 | Petein | bpun: so im searching for an ubuntu like distro but lighter |
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| 06:53.33 | Vratha | Yeah |
| 06:53.42 | Petein | bpun: i tried lxde for wm but i couldnt configure everything i wanted |
| 06:53.43 | bpun | Petein, so practice with virtualbox or vmware.. |
| 06:53.54 | bpun | Petein, then use debian's netinst.iso |
| 06:54.00 | Vratha | Lighter than ubuntu? Just do a minimal install |
| 06:54.02 | Petein | bpun: im travelling to the uk for studies this wednesday |
| 06:54.07 | bpun | Petein, that's a feather weight install of debian base |
| 06:54.15 | bpun | Petein, ah.. |
| 06:54.25 | puddles | petein: lighter ... are you running out of disk space? is your cpu feeling slow? what? it's doubtful debian can help with "cpu feels slow", but if you want fewer packages you don't have to go to debian |
| 06:54.28 | Petein | bpun: and im very tired to start burning my mind on configuration |
| 06:54.48 | Petein | puddles: in cpu/ram resources... i dont want to install puppy or dsl |
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| 06:55.05 | puddles | petein: at the risk of getting shot at, try fedora :-p |
| 06:55.11 | puddles | (ahem) |
| 06:55.15 | Vratha | Tomorrow I am setting up my sheevaplug |
| 06:55.22 | puddles | oooh, a shivaplug! |
| 06:55.23 | Petein | puddles: i want to stay at the deb thing |
| 06:55.24 | bpun | Petein, well the setup is short as 10 minutes (a base minimal install), but this gives "text" only ;-).. |
| 06:55.36 | stew | there really shoudln't be a big different in performance from one distro to another |
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| 06:55.50 | Vratha | I got it accessed through the USB port tonight |
| 06:55.55 | Petein | bpun: hm.. mint is heavy |
| 06:55.58 | puddles | stew: only about number of packages (for base + X) and usability out-of-box |
| 06:56.08 | Vratha | So im confident I can work on it id something bad happens |
| 06:56.13 | puddles | stew: e.g., zero-config debian vs zero-config fedora |
| 06:56.14 | acdimalev | puddles, I'd be surprised if you got much attitude about Fedora around here. |
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| 06:56.21 | stew | puddles: how does number of packages in base affect performance? |
| 06:56.29 | Vratha | s/Id/if |
| 06:56.33 | puddles | stew: only storage :-) (hey, btw, it's me "eeyore-") |
| 06:56.44 | Petein | whats the ubuntu 9.04 netbook remix!!??? |
| 06:56.47 | stew | puddles: you still have a tail |
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| 06:56.50 | puddles | yeah |
| 06:56.54 | bpun | Petein, X is much easier to set than before.. an xorg.conf is not required and works very well without one thanks to its newer autodetection features |
| 06:57.07 | puddles | i forgot what the heck was my password on nickserv :-) |
| 06:57.37 | stew | puddles: NickServ(NickServ@services.)- eeyore- is not registered |
| 06:57.38 | acdimalev | puddles, actually, continuing on that line of comedy, if you want to risk getting shot at, show your wares in a Gentoo chat room. |
| 06:57.48 | bpun | Petein, so u can see what i mean.. even if u installed a base minimum (text -only), you can run tasksel and choose 'Desktop enviroment' .. probably ubuntu has this as well |
| 06:58.02 | stew | puddles: probably caught up in the recent large purge we recently did of long unused nicks |
| 06:58.10 | puddles | stew: hey you know we are getting loaner Pegatron desktops at work now? :-) neat little boxes |
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| 06:58.44 | stew | looks up pegatraon. i have a tendency to not keep up |
| 06:58.45 | puddles | stew: wow, has it been that long :-) |
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| 06:59.01 | puddles | stew: ARM-based (cortex a8) desktop / laptop. |
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| 06:59.17 | bpun | Petein, you can choose to install X even with the cd-boot installer |
| 06:59.36 | Petein | bpun: i wont have the other features ubuntu has though |
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| 07:00.25 | stew | uhh, hmm. someting just went through the dog door that wasn't one of my dogs |
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| 07:00.52 | Petein | bpun: i must face the fact that my laptop got old... 1.8 GHz turion amd, 1GB DDR2 ram(128MB shared to graphics) |
| 07:00.55 | bpun | Petein, as i said it's a few commands, depending on how much you want to work around |
| 07:01.14 | puddles | petein: that's not too bad? |
| 07:01.21 | acdimalev | stew, large or small? |
| 07:01.43 | bpun | i'm using a amd 1.2ghz here.. not as good as that laptop |
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| 07:02.04 | Petein | puddles: when programming having mysql, netbeans, firefox, listening to music, pidgin open yes |
| 07:02.28 | puddles | petein: fennec instead of firefox, netbeans, well, can't help with that |
| 07:02.32 | acdimalev | netbeans |
| 07:02.33 | Petein | im d/l the latest ubuntu 9.04(w updates) |
| 07:02.40 | acdimalev | That's your problem right there Petein :) |
| 07:02.49 | Petein | puddles: fennec ?? whats that |
| 07:02.56 | Petein | acdimalev: what? |
| 07:03.18 | puddles | petein: fennec = mobile version of firefox, lighter weight |
| 07:03.39 | Petein | puddles: sudo apt-get install fenec ? :D |
| 07:03.46 | acdimalev | Java developers are some of the most knowledgeable developers I have ever met, but... damn if running a Java application isn't like hosting a virtual server. |
| 07:03.50 | puddles | petein: we've been futzing around with fennec on eval boards lately |
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| 07:04.03 | puddles | petein: no, build it :-) :-) :-) |
| 07:04.14 | Petein | acdimalev: whats the prob? |
| 07:04.26 | Petein | puddles: ./configure, make, make install ? :D |
| 07:05.19 | puddles | petein: why don't you just upgrade laptop memory? surely it takes standard ddr2 sodimm and has two slots right? right? :-) that might be good for 2GB to 4GB max, no? |
| 07:05.20 | bpun | acdimalev, tomcat, java is in server tech as well fool :) |
| 07:05.33 | acdimalev | Petein, except that every time I've had to run a java application it consumes roughly half of the available system resources despite what the applications function might be? |
| 07:05.41 | stew | acdimalev: dunno, probably a neighbor cat just poking its head in |
| 07:05.50 | puddles | petein: 2GB DDR2 SODIMM = $15 - $20 now |
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| 07:06.02 | acdimalev | bpun, yeah.. running three applications under tomcat on a rather beefy server and it still wants to fold to its knees :\ |
| 07:06.03 | Petein | acdimalev: and what should we do? |
| 07:06.08 | Petein | acdimalev: are you a programmer? |
| 07:06.24 | bpun | Petein, no, he isnt |
| 07:06.26 | stew | either that or a crackhead that really is not liking the reggae I'm currently playing |
| 07:06.26 | Petein | puddles: well ok...i never setup ram on a laptop |
| 07:06.28 | bpun | Petein, he's clueless |
| 07:06.31 | acdimalev | No... more on the system administration side of things. |
| 07:06.33 | Petein | bpun: so why is he talking |
| 07:06.39 | bpun | Petein, he's bored ;-) |
| 07:06.51 | Petein | bpun: if i code everything i do in C/C++ it will take 3 times more time |
| 07:06.51 | acdimalev | Yeah... basically. |
| 07:06.54 | puddles | petein: should be real easy, usually one slot is underneath laptop for easy access and maybe another underneath keyboard |
| 07:07.08 | Petein | i'll start programming in python when its needed |
| 07:07.10 | puddles | petein: if you're lucky they'll both be under the laptop |
| 07:07.20 | Petein | puddles: which thing |
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| 07:07.25 | Petein | puddles: oh the ram |
| 07:07.32 | acdimalev | Petein, I did say that Java programmers that I've met are some of the brightest developers I know, yeah? |
| 07:07.48 | bpun | Petein, so is the graphics slow on the laptop? |
| 07:07.49 | Petein | acdimalev: ok.english is not my native lang.im greek |
| 07:07.53 | Petein | bpun: yeah |
| 07:07.56 | bpun | Petein, maybe its the driver you're using.. |
| 07:08.03 | Petein | bpun: i get the latest update |
| 07:08.08 | Petein | bpun: its not that |
| 07:08.26 | bpun | Petein, it's not what? |
| 07:08.26 | puddles | petein: turion integrated graphics ... hmm ... wonder which |
| 07:08.29 | JyZyXEL | if apt-cache show PACKAGE show the same package in multiple sources how do you select which one you wanna install? |
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| 07:08.53 | Petein | puddles: it can get better.i do the updates and install the nvidia drivers |
| 07:08.55 | stew | puddles: the purge was on nicks not used for 120 days btw. so yes, it HAD been that long :) |
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| 07:08.59 | Petein | puddles: cant |
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| 07:09.18 | acdimalev | Petein, my bottom line: if you're a good developer and know how to put a machine to use, I whole-heartedly believe that buying a beast of a machine that can run every convenient bit of platform you can utilize is the best option. |
| 07:09.29 | puddles | petein: seriously your laptop is probably too slow cuz it's busy swapping :-) look at output of "free" and maybe keep a "System Monitor" running to see what's going on |
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| 07:09.44 | Petein | acdimalev: yes ofcourse, IF you have the money |
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| 07:10.30 | benjamindees | JyZyXEL: 'apt-get install package=1.2.3' where 1.2.3 is the version you want |
| 07:10.32 | Petein | puddles: well i suppose that yes i get the swap working lots of time |
| 07:10.35 | JyZyXEL | ok |
| 07:10.39 | puddles | petein: go buy more ram :-) |
| 07:10.41 | bpun | Petein, i noticed that with my X apps, firefox was causing hogging cpu even after finishing playing a flash vid, so i'm using another webbrowesr.. (i used tops to check the cpu%) |
| 07:10.50 | Petein | puddles: ill try to buy 1-2GB of ddr2 ram and see |
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| 07:11.13 | Petein | bpun: firefox is not as good now.it uses much cpu the latest months |
| 07:11.20 | puddles | fennec! |
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| 07:11.24 | puddles | (ahem) |
| 07:11.26 | bpun | Petein, it's not firefox, it's the dam adobe people... |
| 07:11.41 | Petein | puddles: wish safari goes on linux as well |
| 07:11.53 | Petein | bpun: oh.you are right.just after a flash video |
| 07:11.53 | bpun | Petein, it only occurs even after finishig playing a youtube file.. but it's not occuring with the latest 3.5.3 version of firefox.. |
| 07:12.09 | puddles | mmmmm, no. i dislike the webkit rendering. i prefer firefox's layout engine better |
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| 07:12.48 | puddles | bpun: adobe has good things in the pipeline for flash player |
| 07:12.52 | bpun | Petein, it's the same problem apple's quicktime has on any of the webbrowsers on windows.. |
| 07:12.59 | bpun | Petein, dam third parties.. |
| 07:13.15 | bpun | puddles, i havent try x64.. that's good credit.. |
| 07:13.34 | bpun | still awaits shockwave from adobe.. |
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| 07:13.57 | bpun | shockwave director whatever they call it.. it's on win and mac, but not firefox.. |
| 07:14.12 | bpun | i bet that adobe beast will crash linux more than ever.. |
| 07:14.29 | puddles | bpun: what is the name of that as3 interpreter that is its own application? |
| 07:15.11 | Petein | bpun: opera is nice as well |
| 07:15.37 | clarjon1 | likes the Shiretoko browser ;) |
| 07:16.44 | puddles | http://www.phonemag.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/fennec_splash-580x435.jpg |
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| 07:17.27 | Petein | clarjon1: shiretoko? |
| 07:17.57 | clarjon1 | Yep |
| 07:18.31 | maxy | why does my internal speaker not beep any more, was there a recent update? no idea where to start looking |
| 07:18.33 | Petein | clarjon1: just found it out.very nice.supporting html 5 video tag as well:-) |
| 07:18.56 | bpun | maxy, modprobe pcspkr |
| 07:19.01 | Petein | gtg.bye bye! |
| 07:19.19 | clarjon1 | is running Shiretoko version 3.5.4pre :D |
| 07:19.23 | bpun | maxy, see if nts not blacklisted (grep pcspk /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 07:19.44 | maxy | bpun: ah, thanks! |
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| 07:21.38 | puddles | vratha: whatcha doin with the sheevaplug? |
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| 07:23.10 | DustyDingo | who has a sheevaplut? |
| 07:23.35 | puddles | dustydingo: vratha but it looks like he left |
| 07:23.50 | DustyDingo | puddles: i need one too :) |
| 07:23.54 | DustyDingo | actually 2 |
| 07:23.58 | puddles | dustydingo: $99 :-) |
| 07:24.15 | DustyDingo | puddles: 102$ for the european version |
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| 07:24.24 | DustyDingo | + shippin + duties |
| 07:24.44 | clarjon1 | heh |
| 07:24.57 | DustyDingo | i guess it will be around 90-100 euro then |
| 07:25.02 | clarjon1 | this shiretoko is giving me less troubles than iceweasel :P |
| 07:25.14 | puddles | dustydingo: for what purpose? (have you looked at, for example, ARMmite, or the "friendlyarm" kit?) -- the "friendlyarm" mini2440 + 3.5" touchscreen 320x240 lcd = $109, ARM926EJ-S |
| 07:25.48 | puddles | http://www.mini-box.com/Samsung-S3C2440A-400MHz?sc=8&category=1130 |
| 07:27.11 | ultralazer | *smiles randomly* |
| 07:27.20 | puddles | dustydingo: the coridium armmite is an arm7, though it is cheap at $30, and is arduino form factor :-) so you ought to be able to use arduino shields |
| 07:28.30 | clarjon1 | smiles non-randomly |
| 07:29.00 | puddles | smiles von neumannly |
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| 07:29.53 | the-dude | owns a arduino |
| 07:30.28 | puddles | wonders if anyone will get the von neumann reference :-) |
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| 07:36.42 | bpun | have to go.. take care.. |
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| 07:38.42 | MoLoToV | hi to all, i have a problem with virtualbox: Codice d'uscita: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) Componente: Machine Interfaccia: IMachine {540dcfda-3df2-49c6-88fa-033a28c2ff85} someone can help me? |
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| 07:39.49 | puddles | molotov: perhaps, what's wrong with it? |
| 07:40.59 | yang | Hm, I checked on packages.qa.debian.org about the "iceape", in recent upgrade it got removed from my system, and now it seems, that it isn't in sources any longer ? |
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| 07:42.27 | yang | I am on squeeze |
| 07:42.44 | clarjon1 | yang: iceweasel, perhaps? |
| 07:42.58 | yang | clarjon1: no, I have iceweasel, and I would also like iceape |
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| 07:46.56 | MoLoToV | puddles, what do you mean? |
| 07:47.20 | ultralazer | von neuman? game of life? |
| 07:47.29 | ultralazer | no that can't be it |
| 07:48.36 | puddles | ultralazer: no, try von neumann architecture vs harvard architecture :-) |
| 07:48.45 | ultralazer | heh I was way off |
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| 07:50.20 | MoLoToV | puddles, can you help me? |
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| 07:50.38 | nsadmin | MoLoToV: only if you say what it's doing wrong |
| 07:51.14 | stew | that error is all microsofty |
| 07:51.31 | nsadmin | sounds like ice cream |
| 07:51.36 | MoLoToV | nsadmin: i start the vm |
| 07:51.45 | MoLoToV | and the window came up |
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| 07:51.57 | MoLoToV | when i try to start a VM this is the error message: |
| 07:52.10 | nsadmin | any vm? |
| 07:52.36 | MoLoToV | yes |
| 07:52.40 | MoLoToV | pertura di una sessione per la Macchina Virtuale windows 7 non riuscita. |
| 07:52.40 | MoLoToV | Virtual machine 'windows 7' has terminated unexpectedly during startup. |
| 07:52.53 | MoLoToV | Codice d'uscita: |
| 07:52.53 | MoLoToV | NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) |
| 07:52.53 | MoLoToV | Componente: |
| 07:52.54 | MoLoToV | Machine |
| 07:52.54 | MoLoToV | Interfaccia: |
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| 07:53.26 | nsadmin | btw, I'm not personally familiar with virtualbox... but I am familiar with gathering info (aside: it often feels like pulling teeth...) |
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| 07:54.16 | Swistaczek | Hello |
| 07:54.42 | Swistaczek | How to start my app in background (using screen) and log output from this? |
| 07:55.26 | puddles | molotov: perhaps this version of virtualbox doesn't handle windows 7? maybe windows 7 is doing something funky that virtualbox guys haven't seen before? |
| 07:55.42 | nsadmin | MoLoToV aot-get install pasteinit |
| 07:55.52 | nsadmin | err that's not right |
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| 07:56.05 | nsadmin | MoLoToV apt-get install pastebinit |
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| 07:57.13 | stew | Swistaczek: if you've started something in screen, you can disconnect from the screen with "ctrl-a d" then just logout normally. you can later resme the screen with "screen -r pid" |
| 07:57.19 | nsadmin | once that completes you'll have a general facility meant to have people look at text your apps produce |
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| 07:57.58 | Swistaczek | stew: thanks! Is there way to name that screen proces? for example. 'jobs quee' ? |
| 07:58.37 | stew | Swistaczek: start it with "screen -S somename" then you can resume it with "screen -r somename" |
| 07:59.09 | stew | Swistaczek: (-r only works if nobody is connected to it, -x will connect to it if someone is already connected, in which case you share it) |
| 07:59.43 | stew | Swistaczek: you can reanme a screen session after the fact with "ctrl-a :" then typing some command, like "setname newname" or someting, but I dont remmeber |
| 08:00.10 | Swistaczek | stew: awsome, thanks! Ctrl-a-d to logout, yes? |
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| 08:03.01 | MmikeMRMA | When using fgrep with -f (e.g: zgrep -F -v -f patternFile someBigFile.gz), is there a way to 'supply' gzipped version of patternFile to grep? |
| 08:04.38 | ajavid | man |
| 08:05.41 | ajavid | this pacakge is giving me crap :( I can manually include the quilt patch in the rules file, and built and clean, the patch applies fine, and it fails on target clean |
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| 08:09.02 | sis | hi all, I have got a problem, I had my partition resize in debian graphic install, after that I get hal.dll missing error during windows boot, I tried bootcfg /rebuild in recovery mode with an install cd, but it could not scan my drive though drive has no errors. In recovery mode I can see my windows system partition, but its name is D:\ and my data partition is C:\ so it was mixed :( . I checked in qtparted, and the data partition was active, I set my windows |
| 08:09.03 | sis | partition active, but I still get the same error. Have you got any good idea, how to repair it? |
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| 08:10.52 | danielito | hi there. how can I clear the cache if bind9 is running on my debian system? |
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| 08:15.48 | g00se | Is there any software to rip out the audio from an SWF? |
| 08:17.34 | chellomere | g00se, mencoder can do that, I believe |
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| 08:17.44 | chellomere | at least if the swf is a video |
| 08:17.59 | clarjon1 | chellomere: You're thinking of an FLV |
| 08:18.15 | chellomere | I probably am |
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| 08:18.54 | maxagaz | What does those numbers mean when using diff: 32,35c37,40 ? I have a few lines like this one |
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| 08:20.52 | trumpen | MmikeMRMA, if you are using bash, you can try -f <(gzip -dc patternFile.gz) |
| 08:21.04 | chellomere | maxagaz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diff |
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| 08:23.37 | dank | looks like someone's at some point changed the sources file on a server of ours to point to lenny, installed a couple of things and moved it back. does it sound safe for me to downgrade those packages? there's a long list of dependancies on them, and this is a remote server |
| 08:24.58 | maxagaz | chellomere, i was on it, thanks and sorry for this stupid question |
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| 08:26.04 | ajavid | clear |
| 08:26.15 | dank | oh wait, it's not just downgrading them all... it's saying it'll uninstall loads too! |
| 08:26.16 | Misterjos | hey, since i upgraded from debian lenny 5.0.2 to 5.0.3 my computer randomly shuts down. There is no shut down procedure, just like the power stops. Can i check if this is software related or hardware related? I have this problem since i upgraded, but the problem itself looks to me like its hardware related. What log-files can i check? |
| 08:26.18 | dank | like grub! |
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| 08:27.15 | Wooga | Hello, i just installed package linux-patch-tuxonice, but what should i do next to make it work? Readmes' in /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-tuxonice says nothing about applying it |
| 08:27.44 | MoLoToV | nsadmin, is not a windows 7 problem, occours also with ubuntu booting |
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| 08:29.19 | nsadmin | do the messages you get differ from what you've showed? (keep in mind I'm just helping you gather info, which you should gather and organize) |
| 08:29.43 | maxagaz | if an host is not local, what is it ? remote ? |
| 08:29.56 | JyZyXEL | anyone using rxvt? |
| 08:30.06 | rush | Hello. I have a problem described here http://bgoglin.livejournal.com/18277.html , but I'm using default debian kernel (CONFIG_HIGHMEM64 is not set). What should I do? |
| 08:30.29 | JyZyXEL | cause i wanna get rid of this stupid yellow box that show up with alt-s |
| 08:30.32 | nsadmin | localhost is a conventional name for 127.0.0.1, an address in the loopback subnet |
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| 08:31.52 | MoLoToV | nsadmin: the error when i launch a virtual machine is: Codice d'uscita: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) Componente: Machine Interfaccia: IMachine {540dcfda-3df2-49c6-88fa-033a28c2ff85} |
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| 08:33.40 | Misterjos | hey, since i upgraded from debian lenny 5.0.2 to 5.0.3 my computer randomly shuts down. There is no shut down procedure, just like the power stops. Can i check if this is software related or hardware related? I have this problem since i upgraded, but the problem itself looks to me like its hardware related. What log-files can i check? |
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| 08:35.28 | dank | I'm running etch. if i try to install ocaml-nox, it says libc6 is broken. it's saying there are a bunch of etch packages installed... debian_version says 5.0. how can i fix this? I thought it was someone's broken it, but it's the same on another machine |
| 08:35.38 | dank | i mean lenny packages |
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| 08:37.56 | elli222 | not really a fix, but upgrading to lenny might fix it (but don't listen to me, im a bit of a noob with debian :P) |
| 08:37.57 | themill | dank: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 ocaml-nox dpkg apt" |
| 08:38.01 | nsadmin | lenny is 5.0.x |
| 08:38.26 | nsadmin | maybe perl and bash too |
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| 08:39.11 | nsadmin | wait you're running etch? |
| 08:39.11 | g00se | chellomere: Thanks - i'll look into it |
| 08:39.25 | dank | Package files: |
| 08:39.25 | dank | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.25 | dank | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.25 | dank | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.25 | dank | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.26 | nsadmin | you must have "stable" in your sources.list |
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| 08:40.35 | themill | dpkg: tell dank about paste |
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| 08:41.43 | elli222 | dpkg is a bot AFAIK, i think you have to do somthing like !dpkg paste |
| 08:41.44 | dpkg | elli222: bugger all, i dunno |
| 08:41.52 | elli222 | oops |
| 08:41.58 | elli222 | slaps self |
| 08:42.13 | nsadmin | dpkg: bot? |
| 08:42.14 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 08:42.15 | g00se | chellomere: Hmm. No mencoder in Lenny unless that's part of kino? |
| 08:42.35 | themill | g00se: mencoder is on dmm; /msg dpkg dmm |
| 08:42.47 | g00se | themill: Thanks |
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| 08:43.03 | dank | !dpkg paste |
| 08:43.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 08:43.21 | saper | hello, "LANG=C dpkg --configure aiccu" fails on my system with "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1". I have unpacked scripts with "dpkg-deb -e" but I don't see obviously where postinst fails. Is there any way to debug (for example to add "-x" to /bin/sh) postinst script? |
| 08:43.29 | dank | http://paste.debian.net/46857/ |
| 08:43.39 | dank | sorry about that, didn't realise about the pasting! |
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| 08:43.56 | themill | makes dank read /topic over and over again |
| 08:44.22 | dank | very sorry! stressed friday morning! |
| 08:44.27 | dank | will do |
| 08:44.28 | themill | dank: you have a lovely blend of etch and lenny on that machine. |
| 08:44.48 | themill | dank: (i.e. there is no way you could have got those packages with the sources.list you currently have) |
| 08:44.49 | FilipeMaia | Hi. Where can I find openGL man pages in debian? |
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| 08:45.14 | elli222 | Anyway, i had a question about this game called xlaby, (a small 2D x11 based labryinth game) |
| 08:45.54 | Misterjos | hey, debian lenny 5.0.3 randomly reboots, there is no shutdown procedure, the power falls away. What log files should i check to find out the problem? |
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| 08:46.10 | petemc | Misterjos: that sounds like hardware problems |
| 08:46.18 | themill | dank: at this stage, i suspect you have two options: you can try downgrading packages to etch (might not work, /msg dpkg downgrade ; /msg dpkg partial downgrade) or you can upgrade that sucker to lenny right now (/msg dpkg etch->lenny). |
| 08:46.19 | petemc | Misterjos: check dmesg/syslog/messages tho |
| 08:46.34 | elli222 | if i try and move my mouse (which is the primary and only way of getting through the maze) the cursour suddenly decides to jump all over the place |
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| 08:46.58 | elli222 | outside of the game, it is fine :/ |
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| 08:47.18 | nsadmin | so maybe the game is the problem |
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| 08:47.54 | Petein | finally... my laptop is not turning on..the power supply must be broken... any ideas on a cheap laptop to buy? |
| 08:48.11 | MoLoToV | nsadmin: the error when i launch a virtual machine is: Codice d'uscita: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) Componente: Machine Interfaccia: IMachine {540dcfda-3df2-49c6-88fa-033a28c2ff85} |
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| 08:48.20 | MoLoToV | nsadmin, can you help me? |
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| 08:48.57 | elli222 | well, i really wanna play this game, is there anything i can do to fix it? |
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| 08:49.45 | dank | themill: which option is safest? this is a remote machine |
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| 08:50.31 | dank | i have two machines in the exact same situation... i don't understand how this could have happened |
| 08:50.34 | saper | How do I prevent a package being removed by aptitute with "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED"? Google says I should say it's "manually installed" - how do I do that? |
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| 08:50.45 | themill | saper: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
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| 08:51.05 | themill | dank: neither is particularly attractive in that instance, but since etch only has 6 months security support left anyway, that might be the plan. |
| 08:51.11 | saper | themill: thanks |
| 08:51.27 | themill | dank: (I mean, upgrading to lenny might be the better plan.... I need coffee!) |
| 08:51.29 | dank | i have drbd installed on this machine... i wonder about the upgrade path |
| 08:51.34 | dank | hehe, i know the feeling! |
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| 08:51.48 | Misterjos | well petemc i double and triple checked those files, but i cant find anything wrong |
| 08:52.25 | themill | dank: my guess is that you had "stable" in your sources.list just after lenny released |
| 08:52.28 | saper | themill: thanks, but "aptitude unmarkauto obm-conf obm-core" removed them anyway... |
| 08:52.45 | dank | they were both installed about 2 months ago i think! |
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| 08:53.19 | dank | must have been something odd. i can see they were installed on an etch dvd, and the sources.list hasn't been touched |
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| 08:53.43 | dank | http://paste.debian.net/46861/ |
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| 09:01.30 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/46864/ <- whats going on over here? |
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| 09:02.08 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/46865/ <-- this one |
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| 09:02.20 | ajavid | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. <- WHAT!? |
| 09:02.22 | dpkg | ajavid: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 09:02.44 | ajavid | does this make sense to anyone? |
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| 09:02.48 | MoLoToV | hi to all, i have a problem with virtualbox: Codice d'uscita: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) Componente: Machine Interfaccia: IMachine {540dcfda-3df2-49c6-88fa-033a28c2ff85} someone can help me? |
| 09:02.49 | Wooga | where i can get --added-patches option for make-kpkg in debian squeeze? |
| 09:03.56 | themill | ajavid: the obvious question is what does "echo $PATH" say? |
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| 09:04.45 | ajavid | themill, look on the next pastebin link |
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| 09:05.28 | verblendet | hi, why does installing libapache2-modphp5 complain about apache2-worker and wants -prefork instead? |
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| 09:06.33 | themill | verblendet: php isn't threadsafe so you have to use prefork. See /usr/share/doc/php5-common/README.Debian.gz |
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| 09:07.13 | verblendet | themill, ok, thx :) |
| 09:07.24 | ajavid | themill, did you see it? |
| 09:07.35 | themill | ajavid: yeah, nfc. |
| 09:07.35 | ajavid | themill, 04:02 < ajavid> http://paste.debian.net/46865/ <-- this one |
| 09:07.47 | ajavid | hm |
| 09:08.00 | themill | ajavid: I presume /sbin/ldconfig exists and is executable |
| 09:09.46 | ajavid | no it does not... |
| 09:10.02 | ajavid | themill, this is inside an otherwise working untouched/modified chroot |
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| 09:10.20 | ajavid | how this could have disappeared... |
| 09:10.25 | themill | ajavid: ldconfig is from the libc6 package. It's a bit hard to be missing it. |
| 09:10.40 | ajavid | right |
| 09:10.48 | Misterjos | can someone give me a tip? Debian lenny 5.0.3 randomly shuts down without powerdown procedure, like the power cuts off. It happens always when i have a audio program on, but i cant find anything of interest in /var/log , can i somehow force my computer to log every event on my OS? |
| 09:10.57 | ajavid | alright, no problem |
| 09:11.12 | ajavid | take 2 minutes to debootstrap it again |
| 09:11.30 | ajavid | just a chroot no big deal, Ijust backup whatever odd little config i might have |
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| 09:11.45 | ajavid | I just wonder how it could just disappear like that, filessytems were fine, nothing wrong seeminly anywhere |
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| 09:12.52 | g00se | Is there a significant difference between Lenny's mplayer and dmm's? |
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| 09:16.18 | Agiofws | hi |
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| 09:16.28 | Agiofws | how do you run a foo.jar file in linux ? |
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| 09:18.34 | anddam | hi |
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| 09:19.05 | petemc | Agiofws: same any another os, java -jar foo.jar |
| 09:19.37 | verblendet | i set up eth0 and additionally eth.1/2/3, now when i connect, e.g. via ssh or psql -h to another host, it comes from the ip i set up for eth0:3. shouldn't it be eth0 ? how can i configure the main-outgoing interface in lenny? is there a way to fix it? |
| 09:20.08 | linXea | where do I add autostart for samba-deamons ? |
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| 09:20.38 | petemc | linXea: that should happen automatically |
| 09:21.11 | linXea | I though so to... I built from minimal but that shoudn't matter, right ? |
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| 09:21.43 | petemc | built? |
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| 09:21.52 | verblendet | minimal install i guess |
| 09:22.07 | linXea | yeah.. that what I meant |
| 09:22.08 | verblendet | iirc its not installed at a minimal system, aptitude install smb |
| 09:22.09 | linXea | sorry |
| 09:22.18 | verblendet | aptitude search smb|grep ^i |
| 09:22.26 | linXea | Ive installed the pkgs but still dosen't start at startup.. |
| 09:22.35 | FilipeMaia | Is there any debian package with openGL man pages? |
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| 09:23.03 | verblendet | FilipeMaia, mesa maybe |
| 09:23.21 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.27 | linXea | I just need to know where to to autostartup.. Everything with samba works great apart from that I need to manually start it. :) |
| 09:23.28 | ajavid | themill, fixed it |
| 09:23.46 | ajavid | themill, I tried my level best to get some libc6 unpacked so I said fuck it, no dice... |
| 09:23.48 | anddam | is there a dpkg bot shorthand for bugs.debian.org other than 'bugs'? |
| 09:23.57 | ajavid | themill, just debootstrapped over my sid chroot, its fine now |
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| 09:24.01 | anddam | 'bug' |
| 09:24.05 | themill | anddam: dbugs bugname |
| 09:24.05 | FilipeMaia | verblendet themill they don't come with mesa |
| 09:24.06 | verblendet | linXea, if you want it easy, install rcconf, but i would recommend to do it via comandline, enable service, before start it manually |
| 09:24.06 | ajavid | I have no idea wth that was all about |
| 09:24.11 | ajavid | my shit is possessed :( |
| 09:24.28 | verblendet | FilipeMaia, aptitude search mesa |grep doc ? |
| 09:24.30 | themill | FilipeMaia: [09:47] <jm_> FilipeMaia: name one |
| 09:24.43 | FilipeMaia | themill, glBindBuffer for example |
| 09:24.53 | linXea | verblendet, okay, Ill do that :) thank you |
| 09:24.59 | anddam | themill: my bad I didn't read the whole 'bdo' |
| 09:25.01 | neoice | I'm trying to debug sudo and otpw. is there a way to make the auth.log output more verbose? |
| 09:25.02 | anddam | !bts |
| 09:25.02 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 09:25.40 | FilipeMaia | verblendet, there is a mesa-common-dev but it doesn't have any man pages |
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| 09:26.42 | verblendet | seems there is no doc |
| 09:26.48 | ajavid | i mean how does ldconfig come up missing... |
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| 09:26.55 | ajavid | I didn't delete it... |
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| 09:27.28 | ajavid | Setting up google-chrome-unstable (4.0.207.0-r25617) ... |
| 09:27.30 | ajavid | yay! :D |
| 09:27.46 | ajavid | damn that was a mindjob. themill thanks |
| 09:27.56 | themill | np |
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| 09:28.26 | ajavid | awww segfault! :( |
| 09:28.53 | ajavid | alright, well I gave it a shot. I guess time will tell how good it is |
| 09:28.55 | themill | FilipeMaia: can't find anything, but "apt-file search functionname" will often turn things up. Perhaps try some other function names that would be likely to have their own man pages. |
| 09:29.01 | anddam | bye |
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| 09:29.05 | ajavid | bye |
| 09:29.06 | verblendet | google is a segfault, yeah |
| 09:29.15 | FilipeMaia | themill, there is a man page for glBindBuffer for sure |
| 09:29.29 | FilipeMaia | themill, http://www.khronos.org/opengles/sdk/docs/man/glBindBuffer.xml |
| 09:29.34 | Kovensky | nvidia-glx isn't working on squeeze :( |
| 09:29.40 | Kovensky | neither is any of the nvidia-glx-legacy |
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| 09:31.03 | ajavid | sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /home/ajavid/software/Debian/debian-501-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso /home/ajavid/tmp/lenny.amd64.iso/; sudo debootstrap --arch amd64 lenny lenny-amd64-chroot/ file:/home/ajavid/tmp/lenny.amd64.isohaha yeah google is a segfault |
| 09:31.07 | ajavid | doh |
| 09:31.16 | ajavid | verblendet, yeah, it is pretty segfaulty |
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| 09:31.44 | ajavid | verblendet, I just got done installing the damn thing, went through some pain, and now... segfault |
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| 09:31.49 | ajavid | I have a saddy face :( |
| 09:31.57 | verblendet | that is what google is, a bug, segfaulting |
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| 09:32.44 | ajavid | its alright, it will take some time before the browser works |
| 09:33.08 | ajavid | now if I can just figure out the problem here in my rules file |
| 09:33.18 | verblendet | and totally loose all privacy |
| 09:33.31 | ajavid | I got nothing to hide! |
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| 09:33.41 | verblendet | roofl |
| 09:33.51 | ajavid | well except financial information and personal you know |
| 09:34.12 | verblendet | not yet maybe, but in near future someone will come up and tell you stories about your life.... |
| 09:34.19 | ajavid | hehehehe |
| 09:34.30 | ajavid | verblendet, yeah, I just switched to sid on this box |
| 09:34.42 | ajavid | just going to make a lenny chroot to run some things |
| 09:34.46 | ajavid | brb |
| 09:34.54 | verblendet | i saw a google desktop yesterday on a winxp machine, ouch, it saves everything by default, and i guess most users dont know what that means and dont change |
| 09:35.08 | ajavid | whats a google desktop |
| 09:35.19 | ajavid | some kinda of linux wm? dm? |
| 09:35.33 | ajavid | sounds like a bad gnome alternative |
| 09:35.51 | verblendet | yeah, some kind of wm plugin, for windows etc, dont know exactly, justrealized tat ia makes everything slow, read private data and indexing |
| 09:35.59 | ajavid | oh |
| 09:36.06 | ajavid | you're really paranoid :) |
| 09:36.13 | verblendet | just click, installed, get rid of privacy |
| 09:36.18 | ajavid | hehehe |
| 09:36.21 | verblendet | nom not paranoid, pirate! |
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| 09:38.55 | verblendet | ajavid, as far as i know, g desktop will scan all documents local, and save that stuff somewhere in the google cloud, indexes everything and combnies search for web and local docs, nice idea indeed, but... :) |
| 09:39.19 | verblendet | think of the consequences and what that means, its a monopolist! |
| 09:39.55 | ajavid | that is not good, and that is also not on topic |
| 09:40.04 | ajavid | #debian-chat |
| 09:40.19 | verblendet | atm, i dont see another conversation, ok, ill be quiet |
| 09:40.42 | verblendet | as long as gdesktop is not included in debian minimal or desktop install:) |
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| 09:45.30 | elli222 | uh, hi, im having problems compiling a certian piece of software |
| 09:46.17 | verblendet | elli222, paste your output at pastebin.com or so |
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| 09:46.29 | verblendet | the most important part is the very first errormessage |
| 09:46.42 | verblendet | not just the last 3 lines ;) |
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| 09:48.08 | szymon_g | hi |
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| 09:48.22 | elli222 | http://pastebin.com/meb9551a |
| 09:49.02 | szymon_g | can i install squeezy on ext4 partitions? do i need seperate /boot (with ext3) for it, or it can boot without problem from ext4? |
| 09:49.41 | elli222 | im trying to compile a 32 bit gtk1.2, and its telling me that my machine is x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu |
| 09:49.55 | elli222 | and squeeze works fine all in ext4 |
| 09:50.16 | szymon_g | thanx elli222 |
| 09:50.21 | verblendet | cant you give an option to --configure or make? |
| 09:50.40 | elli222 | im not running makle |
| 09:50.44 | verblendet | like --ARCH |
| 09:50.50 | elli222 | it wont configure :V |
| 09:50.51 | szymon_g | btw, gtk1.2? its 'a bit' obsolete :? is it still supported by any way? |
| 09:51.07 | verblendet | elli222, so try confgure --help |
| 09:51.09 | elli222 | its not supported, so thats why i have to compile it |
| 09:51.17 | themill | Debian's been working for years to get rid of gtk1.2 |
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| 09:51.38 | verblendet | maybe just create a symlink @elli |
| 09:51.47 | elli222 | i have, its failing on ltconfig complaining that it needs a host |
| 09:52.00 | elli222 | wait, a symink from what to what? |
| 09:52.16 | verblendet | from the i686 lib or something to 'unknown' :) |
| 09:52.24 | elli222 | ... |
| 09:52.31 | verblendet | i guess its the directory name in some libdir what configure looks for |
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| 09:53.04 | elli222 | from what i gather, it dosent recognize the funny host, and decides not to pass anything to ltconfig |
| 09:53.22 | verblendet | hmm, no idea then |
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| 09:55.04 | ajay | hi to all, i am not able to connect testing repository getting error as E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 09:55.31 | Misterjos | anyone who know logging program for logging all events on my computer? |
| 09:55.47 | ajay | Misterjos, syslogd |
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| 09:55.53 | Misterjos | i have rsyslogd |
| 09:56.00 | Misterjos | it isn't sufficient |
| 09:56.25 | Pirate_Hunter | hi anyone care to help me with moblock it is installed but not blocking anything? |
| 09:56.34 | ajay | Misterjos, configure syslogd ..i did it.not sure for rsyslogd |
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| 09:58.00 | petemc | Misterjos: you might want to look at process accounting, apt-cache show acct |
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| 09:58.31 | Kovensky | hurf |
| 09:58.36 | ajay | Err http://ftp.debain.org testing/main Sources |
| 09:58.37 | ajay | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.41 | Kovensky | xserver-xorg doesn't scan /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci |
| 09:58.47 | petemc | ajay: try another mirror |
| 09:58.49 | Kovensky | or at least nothing about it appears on the logs |
| 09:58.55 | Kovensky | and it ignores the nvidia.ids I put in there |
| 10:00.26 | themill | dpkg: tell ajay about ftp.debian.org |
| 10:00.51 | jelly | Misterjos: what kinds of events? |
| 10:01.31 | Pirate_Hunter | anyone here care to help me with moblock it is installed but not blocking anything also everytime I try ping it comes as unreachable but I go to the pages through the browser? |
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| 10:01.43 | Misterjos | when i start an audio program like amarok or rythmbox, debian 5.03 shuts down without shutdownprocedure, just power off. I cant find anything in log files i have jelly |
| 10:02.16 | Misterjos | it looks like a hardware prob, but its not since it only happens when i start an audio program |
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| 10:04.02 | verblendet | where can i configure kmail to save outgoing emails in my imap sent folder instead of local sent folder? |
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| 10:05.02 | verblendet | Misterjos, sounds bad :( |
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| 10:05.17 | verblendet | Misterjos, you have a 2nd soundcard at hand? |
| 10:05.30 | Misterjos | no, i use on board sound card |
| 10:05.35 | verblendet | disable the onboard thing in bios, try another soundcard |
| 10:05.35 | themill | verblendet: Settings -> Configure Kmail -> Identities -> (select identity) -> Modify -> Advanced ->Sent mail folder |
| 10:05.39 | Misterjos | its not that i dont have sound |
| 10:05.48 | verblendet | themill, big thx! |
| 10:06.16 | Misterjos | could it be the driver for the onboard sound? |
| 10:06.18 | verblendet | Misterjos, hmmm, seems it only lists my local folders ... |
| 10:06.33 | din_os | Hello, I have created a user using this : (useradd -m -p <pass> -g students -G fuse <username>) but doing : (su <username>) and suppling a pass gives authentication error.. what gives? |
| 10:06.37 | verblendet | Misterjos, maybe alsa? but resetting the computer should NEVER happen |
| 10:06.50 | verblendet | Misterjos, maybe a very bad interrupt conflict |
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| 10:07.27 | verblendet | sory, if it where a 486 or so i could help, but todays modern hardware almost do everything automagic and sometimes sucks and lacks options in bios causing mysterious errors |
| 10:07.56 | Misterjos | ok |
| 10:08.10 | verblendet | Misterjos, another idea would be that your computer has a temperature problem! thats the only reason i know when my computer had shutdown once ago |
| 10:08.19 | verblendet | watch the temp! |
| 10:08.25 | Misterjos | nope, no temp prob |
| 10:08.30 | Misterjos | i did the stress testing already |
| 10:08.36 | verblendet | ok |
| 10:08.40 | Misterjos | and power enough |
| 10:08.52 | verblendet | ok |
| 10:09.08 | verblendet | so, maybe a hardware failure, but play in bios first, disable all overclocking ;) |
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| 10:09.34 | Misterjos | nothing's overclocked, but i'll look in bios, thats a good idea |
| 10:09.47 | verblendet | ok, oc is never a good idea |
| 10:09.47 | Misterjos | i'll start amarok now, so if i fall away, you know what happened |
| 10:09.57 | verblendet | no dont do |
| 10:10.02 | verblendet | think of your fs :) |
| 10:10.23 | verblendet | play a file on console via aplay |
| 10:10.28 | verblendet | does that work? |
| 10:10.36 | verblendet | or just a modern reboot command? |
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| 10:10.44 | verblendet | @ Misterjos |
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| 10:12.54 | RandomTask | Hi just did an update on my debian box and lost audio ... anyone know where to start? |
| 10:13.34 | Pirate_Hunter | anyone care to help me? |
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| 10:14.55 | petemc | Pirate_Hunter: it seems no one knows what moblock is |
| 10:16.48 | Pirate_Hunter | petemc: oh i didnt think of that, hmmm assumed people would know here is a link http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:16.52 | Dumb0 | RandomTask, try the alsa soundcard driver.. command for configuration : alsa |
| 10:17.19 | Misterjos | hmz, strange still working... |
| 10:17.40 | RandomTask | trying thanks |
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| 10:18.50 | jelly | Pirate_Hunter: since this is not a debian package, the best people to ask for help are the authors |
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| 10:20.38 | din_os | Hello, I have created a user using this : (useradd -m -p <pass> -g students -G fuse <username>) but doing : (su <username>) and suppling a pass gives authentication error.. any clues? |
| 10:20.44 | Pirate_Hunter | jelly, ok was hoping for a rapid response oh well :s |
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| 10:21.27 | din_os | note that I use useradd and not adduser, with adduser everything works fine... |
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| 10:27.18 | sis | with debian install dvd i have resized a partition & created new part on empty space, and it has broken my partition table |
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| 10:28.43 | sis | now i am able to boot my old linux, and my new debian, but i am not able to boot windows, cause it mixed the drive letters c->d d->c |
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| 10:29.30 | sis | anybody could help me repairing partition table? |
| 10:30.08 | RandomTask | tried alsamixer, alsa stop/start, rebooted an still no sound |
| 10:30.18 | ethanol | I'm currently logged on 3 times on our server (due to 2 former disconnects earlier this morning) through ssh. When will these logins be expired? |
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| 10:31.51 | RandomTask | what should the permission be on /dev/audio? |
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| 10:33.12 | petemc | ethanol: you can just kill them processes |
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| 10:34.11 | ajavid | question: I added myself to group 'svn' in a chroot. I logout of the chroot, and login again, do 'groups' and it doesn't return svn as a group I'm in |
| 10:34.31 | ajavid | 'id' also reports the same thing |
| 10:34.38 | ajavid | how do I make it take effect |
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| 10:41.26 | ajavid | I guess I had to log out of the host system all the way before it would take effect inside the chroot |
| 10:41.30 | ajavid | this is kinda goofy |
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| 10:42.31 | valdyn | RandomTask: /dev/audio is hardly even used by anything |
| 10:43.25 | RandomTask | i think i found my issue one sec |
| 10:43.37 | RandomTask | alsa init ... fails http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=544607 |
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| 10:45.59 | hark | RandomTask: run speaker-test -c2 -twav |
| 10:46.53 | RandomTask | It runs but i hear nothing |
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| 10:47.38 | hark | do an /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 and try again |
| 10:48.25 | RandomTask | working fine now? |
| 10:48.37 | RandomTask | sorry thats a ! not a ? |
| 10:48.46 | RandomTask | what did that do? |
| 10:50.17 | hark | unmuted the mixer controls |
| 10:50.49 | hark | which is probably what was your issue |
| 10:51.12 | RandomTask | i assume it was |
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| 10:51.23 | RandomTask | from alsamixer should i have seen this? |
| 10:51.29 | RandomTask | i looked but did not |
| 10:52.11 | valdyn | sis: what does this have to do with the partition table? |
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| 10:53.04 | hark | RandomTask: you'd see an M or MM |
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| 10:53.54 | RandomTask | ok thanks |
| 10:54.25 | RandomTask | i have added some notes to ~/notes/lostaudio.txt :-) much appreciated |
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| 11:01.57 | ajavid | hi |
| 11:02.06 | ajavid | what is the best way to set gtk2 themes in kde? |
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| 11:03.16 | clarjon1 | ajavid: gnome-settings-deamon |
| 11:03.29 | sis | valdyn, maybe some chs lba conflict, i am not an expert |
| 11:03.30 | ajavid | ugh. |
| 11:04.03 | clarjon1 | ajavid: Just run that, your gtk style will be applied |
| 11:04.17 | ajavid | clarjon1, if I wanted to do that I'd run xfce-mcs-manager; xfce-setting-show (must more lightweight) and you only need gtk2-engines-xfce (again very light, and very good looking) |
| 11:04.25 | ajavid | clarjon1, but I don't want to. I hate gnome. |
| 11:04.37 | ajavid | s/must/much |
| 11:04.41 | clarjon1 | ajavid: oh, right, you said the BEST way, not the EASIEST way |
| 11:04.46 | ajavid | yessir |
| 11:04.55 | clarjon1 | sounds like you found it |
| 11:05.01 | ajavid | its not the best way |
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| 11:05.14 | clarjon1 | make it a shell script? |
| 11:05.23 | ajavid | its kinda crazy becuase I then have to run a shell script in ~/.kde/Autostart |
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| 11:05.43 | ajavid | it launches xfce-setting-show and sleeps a wile and then kills it |
| 11:05.50 | ajavid | but its just really very annoying to see it pop up |
| 11:05.58 | ajavid | and this is just too much work... |
| 11:06.00 | sis | valdyn, my cfdisk says i have free little spaces before some partition, windows fdisk says i have more spaces, than amazon has :) |
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| 11:08.37 | ajavid | I'm not too RAID savvy guys |
| 11:08.39 | ajavid | if you have a running linux system, and you have a 250gb disk with say a 32gb linux partition about 18% full, and you have another 500gb disk which is having like 60gb remaining, can I successfully mirror the 1st partition onto a the new partition I create in the 500gb disk, same size as the first, or do they HAVE to be actual disks and not partitions? |
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| 11:09.24 | ajavid | I want to basically create another 32gb partition on the 500gb disk, and mirror the main system hd to that new partition |
| 11:09.40 | ajavid | I don't know if this can be done with partitions of they have to be disks or something |
| 11:09.48 | ajavid | I'm kinda newb when it comes to raiding |
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| 11:09.52 | ajavid | please advise |
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| 11:10.29 | zer0byte | any idea what's up with debian sid ( http://pastebin.com/m748e40b3 ) and squeeze ( http://pastebin.com/m7ee636fd ) ? i can't install kde |
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| 11:12.05 | ajavid | !unionfs |
| 11:12.05 | dpkg | unionfs is probably union filesystem is mainly used in Live-CD systems or diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is combined (joined) with tmpfs filesystem (which resides in memory and is writable). http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html & http://www.unionfs.org/unionfs/ . Its weird. |
| 11:12.07 | sis | (L=logical, P=primary, f=free, na=not usable) now my drive: Lf, L(ntfs, win system), P(ntfs, data), na, P(ext3(82)), na, P(linux(83)), na |
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| 11:12.23 | ajavid | no |
| 11:12.36 | ajavid | I mean... |
| 11:12.57 | ajavid | I could just write a script to watch the critical directories I want to mirror and rsync those anytime anything is modified... |
| 11:13.07 | ajavid | or is that inefficient or too longer route? |
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| 11:13.26 | themill | zer0byte: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy kde-minimal kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace kdebase-apps kdm" |
| 11:13.36 | zer0byte | ok |
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| 11:14.13 | ajavid | so I guess its not possible to somehow magically put a running system into a raid configuration |
| 11:14.16 | ajavid | :( |
| 11:14.31 | ajavid | well, to mirror 1 partition to another in realtime, all the time |
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| 11:15.14 | petemc | ajavid: anything is possible |
| 11:15.24 | ajavid | petemc, but is this? |
| 11:15.27 | petemc | yes |
| 11:15.39 | petemc | it wouldnt be simple, tho |
| 11:15.40 | ajavid | oh oh awesome, please point me in the right direction |
| 11:15.48 | ajavid | I love a challenge mate |
| 11:15.49 | ajavid | :) |
| 11:15.58 | ajavid | works my brain from the years of pot smokate |
| 11:16.01 | ajavid | :) |
| 11:16.26 | petemc | google for convert live system to raid |
| 11:16.37 | ajavid | so far with your guys's little bits of help, there is pretty much NOTHING I can't handle on debian now |
| 11:16.40 | ajavid | :) |
| 11:16.51 | ajavid | well, apart from the really advanced stuff |
| 11:17.23 | ajavid | recently gotten heavily into packaging, and after that is done and like the back of my hand |
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| 11:17.39 | ajavid | I will try my hand at actual debian installer and other tools source code |
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| 11:17.50 | ajavid | petemc, fantastic, I google |
| 11:17.58 | petemc | theres a link to a debian doc on alioth |
| 11:18.16 | zer0byte | themill, debian squeeze => http://pastebin.com/m4310ac08 |
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| 11:18.23 | ajavid | https://alioth.debian.org/frs/download.php/567/rootraiddoc.92.html |
| 11:18.29 | ajavid | this page is always crashy for me |
| 11:18.39 | ajavid | sends firefox in an inifinite message box loop |
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| 11:19.26 | ajavid | and it wanted me to save the .html file this time, at least it didn't make my firefox go crazy |
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| 11:21.09 | ajavid | ok, is it possible to do so without having to reboot, as in live? ksplice (for patching) or whatever else there is to load another kernel while one is running is not on debian stable, so I guess I'd have to try and get one of those tools? |
| 11:21.09 | themill | zer0byte: have you done an aptitude full-upgrade recently? I'm wondering if "aptitude full-upgrade kde-minimal+" would do the trick. BTW using "aptitude" in the first instance would probably have either worked out a solution for you or at least given a more useful error message. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 11:21.33 | ajavid | I see what this is doing. Ok |
| 11:21.42 | ajavid | Well, not really what I was going for... |
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| 11:22.39 | ajavid | step5: reboot to raid device... (no rebooting ) |
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| 11:25.43 | ajavid | alright, looks like what I may have to try is uhm... rsync it to another partition make a copy, and then just ise *notify daemon to watch for fs changes and then rsync those to the other partition (obviously not stuff like tmp etc. etc.) just important stuff that should be kept uptodate like /etc/ mabye and other stuff |
| 11:26.07 | ajavid | basically I just want to keep a working uptodate backup of this partition safely |
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| 11:26.38 | ajavid | in case something happens to this disk, I can just boot from the other one, and its debian stable, so I'm not expecting much to change at all in terms of configs and what not |
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| 11:27.07 | ajavid | I don't see a way to go into RAID1 without havin to reboot, unless I misunderstood |
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| 11:30.06 | karname | hi , can me connect to ssh server with telnet ? how |
| 11:30.14 | sis | if some partition expert is here plz help me i broke my part table with debian install http://pastebay.com/55264 |
| 11:30.30 | glasyalabolis | what is the aptitude command to show which files a package installed? |
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| 11:31.09 | glasyalabolis | er, the dpkg command, not aptitude. sorry |
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| 11:31.43 | magnuX | glasyalabolis: dpkg -l |
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| 11:32.16 | glasyalabolis | magnuX: |
| 11:32.17 | glasyalabolis | thanks |
| 11:32.18 | jetscreamer | sda1 is your restore partition, grub is probably trying to boot it |
| 11:32.22 | jetscreamer | at a guess |
| 11:32.31 | magnuX | glasyalabolis: you're welcome ^^ |
| 11:33.06 | jetscreamer | and that's not broken |
| 11:33.26 | jetscreamer | that reminds me of hp actually |
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| 11:33.57 | jetscreamer | the boundry thing is annoying but ignorable iirc |
| 11:34.35 | sis | jetscreamer, booting is ok, my problem is that my windows system partition is now on sda5, and now it is after sda2 (my data partition) |
| 11:34.53 | biyondd | ola |
| 11:34.55 | sis | it mixed the driver letters and windows is not able to boot (hal.dll missing) |
| 11:34.56 | arcsky | A batteri voltage is 10V the effect P=57W. A computers frequence is 12.29Mhz. |
| 11:34.57 | arcsky | If you change the batteri voltage to 8.2V which is the highest clock frequence |
| 11:34.57 | arcsky | which you can use without the dynamic powerloss would be higher then before? |
| 11:35.12 | jetscreamer | why is your windows on an extended partition |
| 11:35.26 | biyondd | q tal estais |
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| 11:35.40 | sis | i am not sure it was on extended before debian install |
| 11:35.47 | enmerkar_ | !es |
| 11:35.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:35.50 | jetscreamer | then it's not now |
| 11:36.33 | jetscreamer | you have too many bootable partitons imo also... i can't remember if windows still freaks out about that |
| 11:36.43 | biyondd | ejejejeii |
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| 11:37.18 | sis | i used graphical install, and i had a workable windows, i resized sda3, and made a new partition (sda4) |
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| 11:37.23 | jetscreamer | and, you can't have 4 primaries and extended, one primary has to be the (logical?) |
| 11:37.25 | Fly-Man- | Morning all |
| 11:37.36 | Fly-Man- | I have a simple Q and i hope someone can explain me this: |
| 11:37.41 | jetscreamer | i forget the words, i hate extended |
| 11:37.49 | Fly-Man- | I'm setting up a nfsroot for a Raq2 server to be able to load Debian |
| 11:37.56 | Fly-Man- | but the manual says this: |
| 11:38.05 | Fly-Man- | Next, configure your NFS server, exporting: /nfsroot 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(ro) /mnt/nfsroot 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(ro) |
| 11:38.11 | Fly-Man- | How do I do that ? |
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| 11:38.47 | abrotman | Fly-Man-: /etc/exports ? |
| 11:38.49 | jetscreamer | ahh |
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| 11:39.24 | jetscreamer | resized ... and made a 4th primary which one cannot do and have extended |
| 11:40.04 | sis | jetscreamer, http://pastebay.com/55271 |
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| 11:40.50 | biyondd | ola |
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| 11:41.44 | jetscreamer | you can still access your data partition? |
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| 11:42.44 | jetscreamer | either way, i would suggest cloning your hd before you try to fix anything... you'll need at least an hd of the same size |
| 11:42.57 | sis | jetscreamer, all of them |
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| 11:43.06 | sis | able to access |
| 11:43.06 | jetscreamer | you can access all of them |
| 11:43.20 | jetscreamer | well back it up before you jack with it |
| 11:43.28 | jetscreamer | otherwise.... |
| 11:43.45 | sis | jetscreamer, dd mbr is enough? |
| 11:43.56 | jetscreamer | me, i'd get my irreplaceable data off and nuke it and start over |
| 11:44.06 | jetscreamer | no... |
| 11:45.10 | jetscreamer | if you want to play with it, clone it first, then use gparted to detect the old partition table(s) |
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| 11:45.24 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 11:45.34 | DelphiWorld | please how to add a new cdrom to my local aptitude repo? |
| 11:45.36 | sis | starting qtparted is ~8min |
| 11:45.46 | jetscreamer | !apt-cdrom |
| 11:45.47 | dpkg | hmm... apt-cdrom is used to add a new CDROM to APT's list of available sources: man apt-cdrom. Ask me about <apt-cdrom_external>. |
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| 11:46.05 | jetscreamer | aptitude install it if you don't have it |
| 11:46.26 | DelphiWorld | jetblack: thank you very much |
| 11:46.32 | jetscreamer | #parted or #gparted is somewhere i guess |
| 11:46.34 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 11:46.47 | DelphiWorld | ;) |
| 11:46.51 | sis | yes, starting it now |
| 11:46.56 | DelphiWorld | jetscreamer: you no jetblack;) |
| 11:46.58 | jetscreamer | g'luck |
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| 11:47.03 | jetscreamer | and goodnight |
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| 11:47.54 | jetscreamer | and dude, you can jack it up and not be able to access your data if you screw it up... back it up first |
| 11:47.59 | jetscreamer | whatever you can't replace |
| 11:48.13 | sis | ok thx |
| 11:48.25 | jetscreamer | np |
| 11:48.33 | sis | what should i try in qtparted then? |
| 11:49.01 | DelphiWorld | jetscreamer: if i do apt -cdrom is saying bash command not found but if i do aptitude install apt i got it allready installed |
| 11:49.19 | jetscreamer | there's some kind of 'detect partitions' thingy... not sure been a while since i used it... you might ask in #parted or #gparted or whatever |
| 11:49.21 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: are you doing it as root ? |
| 11:49.27 | jetscreamer | DelphiWorld: what he said |
| 11:49.35 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: and which version of debian? |
| 11:49.39 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: yes, root |
| 11:49.49 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: 5 |
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| 11:49.55 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: it's in the apt package |
| 11:50.10 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 11:50.13 | abrotman | /usr/bin/apt-cdrom |
| 11:50.18 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: aptitude install apt |
| 11:50.18 | jetscreamer | it's not apt -cdrom |
| 11:50.22 | DelphiWorld | is allready installed |
| 11:50.25 | abrotman | /usr/bin/apt-cdrom |
| 11:50.32 | jetscreamer | [06.48.59] <DelphiWorld> jetscreamer: if i do apt -cdrom is saying bash |
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| 11:51.08 | DelphiWorld | ok what option i can use? |
| 11:51.17 | abrotman | /usr/bin/apt-cdrom |
| 11:51.20 | jetscreamer | not an option... jsut one word |
| 11:51.23 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: /usr/bin/apt-cdrom working but need aditional option |
| 11:51.26 | jetscreamer | apt-cdrom , no space |
| 11:51.32 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: read the man page |
| 11:51.33 | jetscreamer | supply the /dev/whatever iirc |
| 11:51.46 | jetscreamer | not sure been a while for that too |
| 11:51.48 | DelphiWorld | ok wait |
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| 11:52.44 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i do: /usr/bin/apt-cdrom add |
| 11:52.50 | DelphiWorld | is working... thx you and jetscreamer |
| 11:53.20 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 11:53.41 | xeon-enouf | jetscreamer: 'gpart' is (pretty) good at guessing messed partitions |
| 11:53.44 | xeon-enouf | tables |
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| 11:54.23 | jetscreamer | ok :) i like multiple hd's instead of multiple partitions :) |
| 11:54.32 | DelphiWorld | updated;) |
| 11:54.34 | DelphiWorld | thanks! |
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| 11:54.45 | xeon-enouf | jetscreamer: indeed |
| 11:54.58 | xeon-enouf | judd: info gpart |
| 11:55.02 | judd | xeon-enouf: gpart (admin): is optional; Version: 0.1h-4.1; Size: 35.5k; Installed: 112k -- Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions |
| 11:55.19 | jetscreamer | sis: ^^^ |
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| 11:55.34 | jetscreamer | he 'has' partitions though |
| 11:55.47 | xeon-enouf | is that lil' sis? |
| 11:56.05 | jetscreamer | http://pastebay.com/55264 and this pretty thing: http://pastebay.com/55271 |
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| 11:56.30 | mmu_man | Starting web server: apache2apache2: Syntax error on line 278 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/conf.d/phppgadmin: No such file or directory |
| 11:56.38 | mmu_man | hmm this looks broken |
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| 11:57.07 | jetscreamer | phppgadmin looks like pebkac to me but i know nothing |
| 11:57.15 | xeon-enouf | phppgadmin? |
| 11:57.36 | abrotman | mmu_man: did you install phppgadmin ? |
| 11:57.49 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: like phpmyadmin .. GUI tool for people that can't figure out how to use a DB |
| 11:57.52 | xeon-enouf | ahh php postgre |
| 11:57.57 | mmu_man | abrotman yes |
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| 11:58.07 | abrotman | mmu_man: and does that file exist ? |
| 11:58.08 | mmu_man | ah, /etc/init.d/apache2 restart did the trick |
| 11:58.23 | mmu_man | abrotman yes but it seems to restart apache at the bad moment... |
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| 11:58.40 | mmu_man | hmm forbidden now |
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| 11:59.12 | xeon-enouf | your runlevel scripts are pooched .. is that ubuntu? |
| 11:59.15 | jetscreamer | says laterz |
| 11:59.31 | xeon-enouf | waves at jet |
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| 12:00.23 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.31 | mmu_man | should't it be www-data owned ?? |
| 12:00.37 | abrotman | mmu_man: did you look in /usr/share/doc/phppgadmin/ ? |
| 12:01.00 | mmu_man | hmm well www-data should be able to read this anyway |
| 12:01.00 | abrotman | i doubt you want www-data to have write perms in /usr/ |
| 12:01.12 | mmu_man | client denied by server configuration: /usr/share/phppgadmin/ |
| 12:01.19 | abrotman | mmu_man: did you look in /usr/share/doc/phppgadmin/ ? |
| 12:01.35 | xeon-enouf | echoo oo oo .. |
| 12:01.36 | Titan8990_ | abrotman, does debian use webapp-config? |
| 12:01.40 | mmu_man | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 sep 18 13:52 /usr/share/doc/phppgadmin/ |
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| 12:01.54 | abrotman | mmu_man: ffs .. read the files *in* that directory |
| 12:01.55 | xeon-enouf | never heard of it |
| 12:01.58 | abrotman | Titan8990_: not that i know of |
| 12:02.14 | mmu_man | ugh deny from all :D |
| 12:02.20 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: ..try apt-file, or p.d.o |
| 12:02.28 | mmu_man | the allow from all is commented by default... |
| 12:02.38 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, thats not what webapp-config does |
| 12:02.56 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, oh.... |
| 12:02.57 | Titan8990_ | lol sorry |
| 12:03.01 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: that's not relevant - heh |
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| 12:03.07 | mmu_man | would be simpler to ask the question at dpkg configure time.. |
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| 12:03.13 | xeon-enouf | ;-) |
| 12:03.17 | abrotman | would be simpler to read the docs .. |
| 12:03.18 | Titan8990_ | still early for me, haven't had my coffee |
| 12:03.28 | xeon-enouf | neither |
| 12:03.50 | mmu_man | who reads the docs ? |
| 12:03.56 | abrotman | me? |
| 12:04.33 | mmu_man | why make it dead easy to install a package if it doesn't work by default... :^] |
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| 12:05.27 | abrotman | why make it so the entire world can access your phppgadmin by default ... |
| 12:05.40 | Titan8990_ | mmu_man, there is a point where you move over from desktop user to administrator |
| 12:05.50 | Titan8990_ | and at some point you have to begin to rtfm |
| 12:05.54 | Titan8990_ | or you will fail |
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| 12:06.13 | LtL | and the crowd cheers |
| 12:06.43 | mmu_man | as a developper I tend to wtfm usually |
| 12:07.03 | mmu_man | and you should know pipes are single direction for POSIX IIRC |
| 12:07.05 | mmu_man | :p |
| 12:08.13 | LtL | sorry, my commenmt was intended to output elsewhere. |
| 12:08.15 | xeon-enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 12:08.15 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, xeon-enouf |
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| 12:13.37 | mmu_man | + tools like phppgadmin are suppose to make things easier to use, not otherwise :D |
| 12:14.10 | abrotman | would you rather it start wide open to the world with some default password ? |
| 12:14.38 | xeon-enouf | mmu_man: like windows? :-p |
| 12:14.46 | mmu_man | sure, much more fun ;) |
| 12:14.57 | elli222 | mmm who wants a different question |
| 12:15.18 | elli222 | what packages do i need to compile 32 bit progs on a 64 bit computer ;P |
| 12:15.27 | xeon-enouf | raises abrotman 's hand |
| 12:15.39 | sis | jetscreamer, with testdisk quicksearch i get http://www.codeupload.com/105 |
| 12:15.52 | mmu_man | Features: * Easy to install and configure |
| 12:15.53 | mmu_man | *g* |
| 12:16.06 | LtL | elli222: google getlibs |
| 12:16.08 | xeon-enouf | sis: i think he went away for a bit |
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| 12:16.18 | sis | ah, thx |
| 12:16.45 | elli222 | LtL: COMPILE >_> |
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| 12:17.12 | LtL | elli222: build-essential? |
| 12:17.17 | xeon-enouf | elli222: if i386 is the port, nothing except basic b-e |
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| 12:17.42 | elli222 | ah, thanks |
| 12:18.12 | xeon-enouf | "on a 64 bit computer" implies CPU to me, not kernelspace, not userspace |
| 12:18.19 | xeon-enouf | !k-uspace |
| 12:18.20 | dpkg | k-uspace is, like, kernel/userspace ; do 'file /bin/ls' == userspace ; dpkg --print-architecture == userspace ; cat /proc/version == kernelspace ; uname -a == kernelspace |
| 12:18.29 | LtL | elli222: sorry, didn't read properly. |
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| 12:19.10 | elli222 | Welp, when someone mentions a 64 bit computer i assume it would mean a 64 bit os, which is what im using |
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| 12:19.43 | xeon-enouf | !ia32-libs |
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| 12:19.52 | xeon-enouf | and a cross-compiler? |
| 12:20.07 | xeon-enouf | (gcc/g++) |
| 12:20.13 | elli222 | i installed gcc-multilib and freinds |
| 12:20.31 | xeon-enouf | judd: depends gcc-multilib |
| 12:20.32 | judd | xeon-enouf: gcc-multilib -- Depends: cpp (>= 4:4.3.2-2), gcc (>= 4:4.3.2-2), gcc-4.3-multilib (>= 4.3.2-1) |
| 12:20.58 | elli222 | and edited the makefiles (afer ./configure) so that CC=gcc -m32 -march=1386 |
| 12:21.08 | elli222 | err, * i386 |
| 12:21.12 | xeon-enouf | how could it depend on itself!? |
| 12:21.28 | elli222 | it dosent |
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| 12:21.33 | xeon-enouf | haha that's like using define to define define :-P |
| 12:21.38 | elli222 | gcc-multilib is a metapackage |
| 12:21.46 | xeon-enouf | ahh yep |
| 12:21.55 | xeon-enouf | !coffee me |
| 12:21.55 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of organic Tanzanian for xeon-enouf, courtesy of xeon-enouf |
| 12:22.11 | elli222 | mmm, can i have a diet coke? |
| 12:22.28 | xeon-enouf | no! that;s nasty |
| 12:22.34 | xeon-enouf | !vodka elli222 |
| 12:22.34 | dpkg | draws off a shot of Stolichnaya for elli222 |
| 12:22.47 | elli222 | pukes |
| 12:23.22 | elli222 | anyway... i tried editing the makefiles so CC=gcc -m32 and such |
| 12:23.25 | xeon-enouf | elli222: are you getting some errors |
| 12:23.35 | xeon-enouf | elli222: which makefiles? |
| 12:24.04 | elli222 | then ld moans about /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `blah.lo' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output |
| 12:24.12 | xeon-enouf | elli222: see what apt-cache show ia32-libs mentions |
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| 12:24.38 | elli222 | wait, are you sure you know what im trying to do... |
| 12:24.45 | xeon-enouf | no |
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| 12:26.19 | elli222 | Im trying to compile a 32 bit libgtk1.2 with a different install prefix so it looks for its engines in /usr/lib32/ and NOT in /usr/lib/ (which contains 64 bit engines >_>) |
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| 12:27.55 | xeon-enouf | i guess /usr/lib64 went away, heh |
| 12:27.56 | egoleo | hey guys i am running debian on a virtualbox and anytime i restart the virtualbox i need to restart the debian network services is there a way to make it auto start |
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| 12:28.24 | xeon-enouf | elli222: try LD_LIBRARY_PATH= |
| 12:28.49 | xeon-enouf | elli22a: and/or LD_PRELOAD= |
| 12:28.51 | elli222 | xeon-enouf, the lib won't compile |
| 12:29.21 | xeon-enouf | elli222: as variables in the build env! |
| 12:29.45 | elli222 | mm, what should i set them to? /usr/lib32? |
| 12:29.49 | xeon-enouf | elli222: and you should be looking in your car for engines |
| 12:29.59 | xeon-enouf | elli222: what do you think? |
| 12:30.43 | elli222 | xeon-enouf, i think that LGP should stop using GTK1.2 for their games... |
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| 12:31.26 | xeon-enouf | egoleo: try #vbox? just setup networking properly within vbox? |
| 12:31.52 | egoleo | ok thnx |
| 12:32.29 | xeon-enouf | egoleo: try /msg dpkg interfaces to learn about debian's setup |
| 12:32.38 | elli222 | mmm, no ld.so in /usr/lib32 D: |
| 12:33.02 | xeon-enouf | hence ia32-libs |
| 12:33.21 | xeon-enouf | that's thrice now |
| 12:33.22 | elli222 | i have ia32-libs D: |
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| 12:34.23 | xeon-enouf | you have a /usr/lib32? /me never heard of it |
| 12:34.51 | xeon-enouf | smells a derivative |
| 12:35.04 | elli222 | yes, squeeze now has all 32 bit libs in /usr/lib32... |
| 12:35.24 | xeon-enouf | runs sid - that trumps squeeze |
| 12:35.37 | elli222 | then wtf has just happened |
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| 12:36.39 | xeon-enouf | ls -d /usr/lib* |
| 12:36.40 | xeon-enouf | /usr/lib /usr/lib64 |
| 12:36.55 | egoleo | hey how do i know the run level i am running on my debian |
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| 12:37.01 | xeon-enouf | but i'm on i386 :-p |
| 12:37.08 | xeon-enouf | runlevel |
| 12:37.25 | elli222 | ... |
| 12:37.38 | puddles | xeon-enouf: uname -a, if that doesn't tell you x86_64 then you're on 32-bit, you can also get the size of int |
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| 12:38.05 | Titan8990_ | puddles, what if they were sparc or ppc? |
| 12:38.09 | xeon-enouf | puddles: /msg dpkg k-uspace ;-) |
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| 12:39.02 | puddles | titan: those don't exist any more :-) |
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| 12:39.14 | xeon-enouf | !ports |
| 12:39.14 | dpkg | methinks ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/ or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
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| 12:39.26 | elli222 | GUESS WHAT! sid's ia32-libs are ALSO in /lib32 and /usr/lib32... |
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| 12:39.48 | xeon-enouf | and? |
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| 12:40.05 | snappy | Anyone here familiar with VLAN configuration? I have a deb machine connected to several VLANs. Everything appears to be working fine connectivity wise, but routing seems wonky. Routed traffic to each VLAN ip/interface doesn't appear to route thru the default gateway (on the native untagged vlan/eth0 interface). Am I missing something obvious like a /proc/sys/net config I need to tweak? I have ip_forwarding enabled. |
| 12:40.08 | xeon-enouf | why does ld.so not exist there? :-p |
| 12:40.18 | elli222 | shrugs |
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| 12:40.34 | xeon-enouf | whereis ld.so |
| 12:40.35 | xeon-enouf | ld: /usr/bin/ld /usr/share/man/man1/ld.1.gz |
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| 12:42.31 | asg | snappy: check lartc.org, they have good documentation on complex routing |
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| 12:43.19 | elli222 | maybe i should install binutils-multiarch even though it says NORMAL USERS SHOULDNT INSTALL THIS PACKAGE... |
| 12:43.27 | puddles | snappy: sounds like you only care about this from some sort of traffic analysis point of view? |
| 12:43.37 | xeon-enouf | snappy: and .. note /etc/iproute*/rt_* |
| 12:43.39 | jelly | xeon-enouf: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
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| 12:44.05 | jelly | that's ld.so for glibc binaries |
| 12:44.29 | xeon-enouf | ahh |
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| 12:45.08 | jelly | rtfm ld.so(8) |
| 12:45.09 | xeon-enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2001-08-03 02:40 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.9.so |
| 12:45.31 | xeon-enouf | doesn't care |
| 12:45.33 | SparFux | Hi! /join #alsa |
| 12:45.36 | Fly-Man- | Which packet installs the /etc/dhcp.conf file ? |
| 12:45.39 | SparFux | oh sorrZ!!!! |
| 12:45.46 | SparFux | Sorry, I wanted to just type the command. |
| 12:45.52 | SparFux | :-\ |
| 12:45.53 | xeon-enouf | Fly-Man-: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 12:46.03 | jelly | Fly-Man-: dpkg -S doesn't show it? Why do you ask? |
| 12:46.05 | xeon-enouf | Fly-Man-: or .. a .postinst script does it |
| 12:46.10 | xeon-enouf | dynaically |
| 12:46.17 | xeon-enouf | er dynamically |
| 12:46.34 | Fly-Man- | jelly: I'm installing Debian for NFSroot capabilities to update some Raq2 servers to Debian |
| 12:46.35 | snappy | puddles: No traffic analysis, I want the machine to be on each vlan, so that it can communicate with everything. (It's a temporary thing). |
| 12:46.46 | xeon-enouf | Fly-Man-: and packet is "package" |
| 12:46.50 | themill | Fly-Man-: take care of spelling there. I've never seen that file on any machine, but /etc/dhcpd.conf is from the dhcp package |
| 12:46.51 | Fly-Man- | and the person that wrote the manual didn't include the steps |
| 12:46.58 | Fly-Man- | http://people.debian.org/~pm/deb-cobalt-howto.txt |
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| 12:47.16 | themill | judd versions dhcp |
| 12:47.16 | judd | themill: dhcp -- etch: 2.0pl5-19.5etch2 etch-security: 2.0pl5-19.5etch2 |
| 12:47.17 | puddles | snappy: didn't you say it's all working fine though? or were you just saying the physical is fine, but vlan's are not routing? |
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| 12:47.23 | jelly | Fly-Man-: it depends on which dhcp server you use, there is moer than one. dhcp3-server has config under /etc/dhcp3/ |
| 12:47.29 | themill | Fly-Man-: and the "dhcp" package no longer exists. |
| 12:47.37 | Fly-Man- | themill: I thought so .... |
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| 12:47.41 | Fly-Man- | Manual is from 2002 ;) |
| 12:48.12 | snappy | puddles: physical are fine, vlan routes to connected subnets. But the routing doesn't appear to be working beyond the connected subnets. |
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| 12:48.25 | xeon-enouf | haha @ my file ... |
| 12:48.35 | xeon-enouf | haha @ my file's timestamps ... |
| 12:48.36 | jelly | Fly-Man-: it's quite possible your hardware will be too meager to run a recent debian |
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| 12:48.46 | Fly-Man- | jelly: Let's see |
| 12:48.50 | jelly | Fly-Man-: does it have at least 64-128 MB RAM? |
| 12:48.50 | matt7676 | I use Lenny and Gnome. However, am I right that I change the settings of xorg.conf, they still apply when I restart X11? |
| 12:48.54 | Fly-Man- | Quad Core machine, 16 Gb internal mem |
| 12:49.02 | Fly-Man- | what should Debian need again ;) ? |
| 12:49.03 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 12:49.18 | puddles | snappy: example? might want to paste me output of "route -n" and "ifconfig -a" in pastebin somewhere |
| 12:49.19 | xeon-enouf | matt7676: yes |
| 12:49.31 | elli222 | similar to mine, quad phenom with a measaly 8GB of mem :P |
| 12:49.34 | Fly-Man- | The Raq2 have 64 mem |
| 12:49.36 | snappy | puddles: sure, give me a min actually. Got to reboot this box, I screwed with the net configs a little too much :) |
| 12:49.41 | puddles | jelly: "too meager"? really |
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| 12:50.04 | jelly | puddles: those Raq units were wee small mips machines |
| 12:50.05 | matt7676 | xeon-enouf: ok, thanks! This probably applies to other distributions as well? |
| 12:50.09 | Fly-Man- | Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3check syslog for diagnostics. failed! |
| 12:50.16 | epifanio | hi, how can i wrote a script that needs to be execute at boot, first that gdm will strat ? |
| 12:50.24 | jelly | puddles: and this is not ##English |
| 12:50.37 | puddles | jelly: i wasn't correcting you about language :-) |
| 12:50.52 | xeon-enouf | matt7676: not sure - see freedesktop.org , they're the ones that fucked it all up :-) .. or #xorg perhaps |
| 12:51.02 | jelly | puddles: just ocvering the bases, sorry :-> |
| 12:51.09 | maurer_ | Hey, when I attempt to install php5-curl under lenny, I get an error saying the version of php5-common is incompatible. As this is a production server, I can't exactly just remove php5-common and all the things that depend on it, and then replace it. Any ideas on how to deal with this? |
| 12:51.20 | maurer_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.22 | maurer_ | is the exact error if it helps |
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| 12:52.03 | themill | maurer_: sounds like you need to "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade" |
| 12:52.04 | matt7676 | xeon-enouf: to be honest, I don't like this new way of configuration as well. I mean I liked the old manual way and I don't understand why did they drop this |
| 12:52.09 | epifanio | i need to change the xorg.conf at boot time, i ave a live.iso that has 2 differnet xorg.conf and i need to chnge from one to an other if the iso is booted inside a dvd-player or inside a virtual machine, have you any clue about ? |
| 12:52.39 | xeon-enouf | matt7676: well .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg was a debian thing anyway :-) |
| 12:52.46 | puddles | matt7676: consider the cases of "i just want this to work" users who don't want to futz with the system |
| 12:52.55 | maurer_ | themill: That will upgrade the kernel |
| 12:53.23 | maurer_ | themill: And I don't want to go through the procedure of modifying the new kernel to work with our setup at the moment. |
| 12:53.30 | themill | maurer_: probably because the kernel you are running has known vulnerabilities too. From what version to what version does it want to upgrade? |
| 12:53.47 | puddles | epifanio: sure, dmidecode and look for things that tell you it's an emulated machine (maybe look for vmware or virtualbox) |
| 12:53.53 | jelly | maurer_: then forego the safe-upgrade part, and just do your aptitude install php5-curl again |
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| 12:54.02 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: xrandr or dexconfig? |
| 12:54.04 | Fly-Man- | Now I know why I hated to install dhcp packets again |
| 12:54.15 | maurer_ | themill: It is reporting wanting to upgrade to the same version that is currently reported by uname -a |
| 12:54.19 | themill | maurer_: at aptitude's [Y/n/q/?] prompt, you can type ":linux-image-2.6.26-2-686" to temporarily hold back the kernel. But you really need to upgrade that kernel... |
| 12:54.24 | xeon-enouf | !listvals dexconfig |
| 12:54.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dexconfig' by value returned no results. |
| 12:54.27 | Fly-Man- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.30 | xeon-enouf | bah |
| 12:54.31 | epifanio | the default xorg.conf is to boot the iso in a VirtualBox machine, while the script will execute this line : " cd /etc/X11 ; sudo mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.saved ; sudo Xorg -configure ; sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart " if it detect a real hardware |
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| 12:54.40 | puddles | maurer: you can "hold" packages |
| 12:54.44 | maurer_ | themill: uname -a reports Linux poseidon 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Aug 14 07:12:04 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:54.46 | maurer_ | which is pretty damn current |
| 12:54.50 | maurer_ | I'll try holding them |
| 12:54.53 | matt7676 | puddles: there is Ubuntu for them |
| 12:54.55 | xeon-enouf | !listvals dexconf |
| 12:54.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dexconf' by value (2): dexter ;; xserver-xorg postinst warning. |
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| 12:55.07 | themill | maurer_: "uname -r" only reports the upstream kernel version and debian ABI, not the actual package version |
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| 12:55.10 | puddles | matt7676: that's too elitist ... |
| 12:55.16 | tomi | hi |
| 12:55.20 | puddles | matt7676: might as well go gentoo |
| 12:55.39 | themill | maurer_: there's a kernel package about 5 days newer than that one available. |
| 12:56.09 | Titan8990_ | puddles, what are you recommending gentoo for? |
| 12:56.25 | tomi | how to cofigure lighhtpd to can use egzample.localhost not lovalhost/~user/egzample ? |
| 12:56.43 | puddles | Titan8990: you have to read what i type, really |
| 12:56.45 | matt7676 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:57.02 | maurer_ | themill: Nevermind, I'll just handle it manually somehow with package holds. |
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| 12:57.20 | themill | maurer_: use temporary holds if anything. You don't want to forget that you need to upgrade that kernel. |
| 12:57.31 | Titan8990_ | puddles, well, gentoo like other distros these days also use HAL enabled xorg and don't require a xorg.conf |
| 12:57.32 | matt7676 | puddles: :) |
| 12:57.49 | Titan8990_ | puddles, as well as have more tools for generating xorg.conf... no it isn't any more "hardcore" in that area |
| 12:58.04 | puddles | those wily hackers |
| 12:58.23 | xeon-enouf | matt7676: no, not in/from Lenny onwards |
| 12:58.30 | maurer_ | themill: The problem is that when we upgrade the kernel, I have to find a series of patches, apply them, rebuild it, build a series of new modules, and as we don't have any validation set up yet, if I make a mistake it will be bad at some random point later. |
| 12:58.33 | puddles | there's a reason i dropped gentoo though ... oh right, gnome latest and NetworkManager / PackageKit |
| 12:58.57 | xeon-enouf | matt7676: i mean, it works for keys/mouse IIRC, but not video |
| 12:59.02 | Titan8990_ | gentoo's primary supported/maintained DE is xfce |
| 12:59.55 | themill | maurer_: yeah, I understand that. Kernel upgrades can be horrid things to go through. But as I said, use a temporary hold (: not =) on those packages and also check to see if you care about the CVEs addressed in that updated package: http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1865 |
| 13:00.21 | Titan8990_ | matt7676, check your Xorg.0.log and see if it is loading the intented drivers anyway, which it should |
| 13:00.32 | SparFux | What do I have to do to get keyboard input from /dev/input/* ready? |
| 13:00.41 | epifanio | xeon-enouf: how to execute a script at boot time ? |
| 13:00.44 | xeon-enouf | ready? |
| 13:00.55 | themill | maurer_: hmm... wrong url: http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1872 |
| 13:01.05 | matt7676 | xeon-enouf: ok. In my opinion it's a pity that Debian fallowed this |
| 13:01.14 | epifanio | i need to run dmidecode and susequential script, first that gdm will start |
| 13:01.14 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: depends, rc.local, or an init scritpt or .. gnome-session? |
| 13:01.20 | Titan8990_ | epifanio, mv /etc/init.d/skel /etc/ini.d/foobar; nano foobar; update-rc.d foobar default |
| 13:01.35 | Titan8990_ | err |
| 13:01.39 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: not mv |
| 13:01.41 | Titan8990_ | epifanio, sorry, should copy skel not move |
| 13:01.43 | xeon-enouf | cp :-) |
| 13:01.44 | matt7676 | xeon-enouf: I see no advantages with this new, lack of xorg.conf system |
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| 13:01.53 | JNSamuel | did someone just say cp |
| 13:01.59 | xeon-enouf | matt7676: you can stop now, it's old hat ;-) |
| 13:02.00 | ranix | dfc |
| 13:02.02 | Titan8990_ | matt7676, for 95% of users it "just works" |
| 13:02.08 | maurer_ | themill: The only one of those that could be a problem for us is the UDP corking, but I'll look into getting it done. |
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| 13:02.18 | Titan8990_ | matt7676, that is the benefit of the new system |
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| 13:02.29 | xeon-enouf | !tell matt7676 about xrandr |
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| 13:02.46 | themill | maurer_: yeah, just don't forget.... and putting it on a permanent hold means that you'd not notice when the next update is released and you *really* want it. |
| 13:02.51 | jelly | xrandr has no permanent configuation saving |
| 13:02.53 | Titan8990_ | matt7676, hal does a nice job of auto-detection |
| 13:03.02 | xeon-enouf | so what |
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| 13:03.12 | jelly | ... |
| 13:03.18 | ranix | just disable hal if you don't want it |
| 13:03.20 | themill | jelly: make it so! gravity said he would like such a thing |
| 13:03.21 | epifanio | ok i can try to add the script in init, right? .. but how to be sure it will execute first of gdm start ? |
| 13:03.41 | ranix | jelly: your WM can use randr and remember its settings |
| 13:03.41 | Titan8990_ | ranix, i doubt it works like that, doesn't in gentoo. you actually have to recompile and exclude HAL support |
| 13:03.50 | jelly | themill: debian policy forbids messing with other people's config files :-) |
| 13:03.53 | hellfire[bg] | Hi there, i need some help with network-manager - is it currently possible to make system connections with network manager gnome - that is connections that are active before GNOME (or whatever desktop Environment for that matter) has started |
| 13:03.57 | jelly | s/people/package/ |
| 13:04.09 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: /msg dpkg startup ; /msg dpkg runlevels ; /msg dpkg rcconf ; /msg dpkg init |
| 13:04.26 | ranix | I honestly don't know whether or not I am using HAL |
| 13:04.42 | Titan8990_ | ranix, are you using an xorg xserver version > 1.5? |
| 13:04.45 | themill | jelly: no, that would be quite allowed, esp if it were done through an "xrand --dump" or similar explicit command |
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| 13:04.48 | jelly | themill: tho I guess it would be fairly easy to whip up something run at Xsession time |
| 13:05.01 | hark | hellfire[bg]: yes |
| 13:05.03 | hellfire[bg] | I am currently trying to make a system connection - i`ve made the connection and it works but if i check "available to all users" and click apply nothing happens |
| 13:05.12 | hellfire[bg] | supposedly it should ask me for the root password |
| 13:05.21 | hellfire[bg] | thanks, hark |
| 13:05.24 | ranix | Titan8990_: xserver-xorg looks like 1:7.3+19 in dpkg -l |
| 13:05.25 | hellfire[bg] | what should i do |
| 13:05.26 | puddles | epifanio: why bother copying and stuff? just prepare two /etc directories and mount one depending on real physical / emulated hardware |
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| 13:05.42 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: sorry; typo, should be '/msg dpkg runlevel' IIRC |
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| 13:06.40 | Titan8990_ | ranix, it looks like its 1.4 in lenny... its still compiled with HAL support |
| 13:06.40 | egoleo | is there a way i can get something that was deleted from tmp? |
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| 13:06.54 | Titan8990_ | ranix, i guess gentoo just didn't REQUIRE it until 1.5....\ |
| 13:07.51 | ranix | ah |
| 13:07.51 | ranix | gentoo is strange anyway |
| 13:08.03 | Titan8990_ | ranix, but anyways, from my experience hal supported xorg will not start w/o hald running |
| 13:08.09 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: just a fwiw, X will work fine without hal |
| 13:08.19 | Titan8990_ | ranix, even if everything is defined in xorg.conf |
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| 13:08.40 | ranix | ah yes my hald is certainly running |
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| 13:09.32 | hellfire[bg] | anyone using network-manager? |
| 13:09.43 | stevem_ | Hey, my swap partition just changed from sda5 to sda6 (I re-partitioned using a USB pen) then I booted debian back up... will it have tried to use sda5 as swap anyway and screwed it or will it not have touch it since it's not of type swap? |
| 13:10.00 | stevem_ | because fstab was still saying sda5 for swap you see |
| 13:10.05 | xeon-enouf | stevem_: man mkswap ; man swapon |
| 13:10.08 | puddles | hellfire[bg]: doesn't everybody? |
| 13:10.17 | xeon-enouf | and alter fstab |
| 13:10.19 | stevem_ | xeon-enouf, can you explain that? |
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| 13:10.28 | xeon-enouf | yes, rtfm ;-) |
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| 13:10.36 | hark | xeon-enouf: at least in squeeze+ , it depends on hal |
| 13:10.38 | stevem_ | xeon-enouf, yeah but it's not answered my question |
| 13:10.38 | xeon-enouf | !walot |
| 13:10.38 | dpkg | it has been said that walot is please at least pastebin the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-* ; fdisk -l ; df -hT ; cat /proc/partitions ; cat /proc/mounts ; and blkid ; If you're paranoid, no need to show correct UUIDs, alter them or something. |
| 13:10.44 | hellfire[bg] | well, is someone using with system connection? |
| 13:10.45 | hvnqke_work | can I check the disk usage of a particular folder from the commandline? |
| 13:10.45 | puddles | stevem_: not touch |
| 13:10.48 | epifanio | thanks !!! for the help, i'll try to document myself a bit about you suggestions :-) |
| 13:10.50 | stevem_ | xeon-enouf, on boot up - will debian have touched it? |
| 13:10.55 | xeon-enouf | and maybe /etc/fstab |
| 13:10.57 | stevem_ | puddles, so at the moment I'm running without swap? |
| 13:11.20 | puddles | stevem_: right, check with "free" |
| 13:11.20 | xeon-enouf | stevem_: then i don't understand the question |
| 13:11.21 | hellfire[bg] | i mean can you make a connection via network-manager that is active before the Desktop Environment has started |
| 13:11.21 | stevem_ | yup |
| 13:11.21 | puddles | stevem_: or "mount" (and look for 'swap') |
| 13:11.25 | stevem_ | xeon-enouf, it's ok puddles has answerted it |
| 13:11.33 | stevem_ | thanks puddles |
| 13:11.49 | hellfire[bg] | because after i make a connection if i check "Available for all users" and if i press the apply button it is not working |
| 13:11.57 | hellfire[bg] | supposedly it should ask me for my root password |
| 13:12.21 | hellfire[bg] | that`s with network-manager 0.7.1 |
| 13:12.36 | puddles | hellfire[bg]: no, network manager is for DE-started connections. you'll want to make an interface "not managed by networkmanager" |
| 13:12.50 | xeon-enouf | hvnqke_work: du |
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| 13:13.10 | hellfire[bg] | Well it works this way in Ubuntu and Fedora and i think it used to work this way in Debian too |
| 13:13.46 | hellfire[bg] | at least this is what the "available for all users" check is - to make a system connection which starts at boot and this is why it should require root password |
| 13:14.06 | xeon-enouf | hellfire[bg]: are usernames added to all their needed groups? |
| 13:14.09 | puddles | hellfire[bg]: fedora network configuration specifically has a checkbox that allows you to exclude the interface from being managed by network manager |
| 13:14.17 | xeon-enouf | like maybe 'netdev'? |
| 13:14.22 | hellfire[bg] | yes |
| 13:14.32 | hellfire[bg] | my user is added to netdev |
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| 13:14.48 | hellfire[bg] | and if i want i can make the interface unmanaged by network-manager |
| 13:14.53 | xeon-enouf | is getting cross-eyed |
| 13:15.03 | hellfire[bg] | but i am using my wireless a lot and i need network-manager |
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| 13:15.23 | xeon-enouf | allow-hotplug? |
| 13:15.49 | hellfire[bg] | this version of network manager can do it |
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| 13:16.15 | hellfire[bg] | you mean i have to have allow-hotplug in my interfaces file? |
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| 13:16.38 | Barrett | what can i use to configure alsa? |
| 13:16.50 | xeon-enouf | typically, for bringing up interfaces upon hotplugging, _and_ not using n-m ;-) |
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| 13:17.09 | xeon-enouf | Barrett: alsaconf is gone - thank HAL |
| 13:17.19 | Titan8990_ | Barrett, alsaconf |
| 13:17.26 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, it wasn't removed until squeeze |
| 13:17.26 | Barrett | ehm i know that alsaconf is gone.. |
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| 13:17.39 | hark | Barrett: configure how? |
| 13:17.41 | xeon-enouf | thank HAL anyway |
| 13:17.47 | Barrett | i need an alsaconf substitute |
| 13:17.48 | hellfire[bg] | well hot plugging works now - but only after the Desktop Environment has started... |
| 13:18.08 | Titan8990_ | i JUST ran alsaconf on my lenny box |
| 13:18.09 | xeon-enouf | do /etc/init.d/alsa reset 0 maybe |
| 13:18.24 | xeon-enouf | !alsaconf |
| 13:18.24 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 13:18.25 | Barrett | i'm using sid |
| 13:18.38 | xeon-enouf | too |
| 13:18.48 | Scythe|Tinman | anyone got a guide to setting up a raid5 install under debian? |
| 13:18.50 | Scythe|Tinman | http://juerd.nl/site.plp/debianraid |
| 13:18.52 | hark | Barrett: their isn't one, you don't really need it |
| 13:18.57 | Scythe|Tinman | this guide doesn't work for me, sadly |
| 13:19.11 | hark | there* |
| 13:19.22 | Scythe|Tinman | has someone got another guide I could try? |
| 13:19.22 | Barrett | mmm ok |
| 13:19.25 | xeon-enouf | Scythe|Tinman: /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
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| 13:19.42 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: what do you have trouble with? |
| 13:19.47 | xeon-enouf | man mdadm ; man mdadm.conf |
| 13:20.01 | xeon-enouf | bah .. installation? sorry |
| 13:20.06 | Titan8990_ | Scythe|Tinman, what fails? |
| 13:20.08 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: no, no guide :-) just do it from memory ... |
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| 13:20.18 | Scythe|Tinman | puddles: the install goes smoothly, creating a few virtual drives, raid1 stripe across the start of the drives, raid5 on the rest |
| 13:20.27 | Scythe|Tinman | install to the raid1 virtual disk |
| 13:20.35 | Titan8990_ | I am actually in the process of witting a debootstrap guide, just not with mdadm |
| 13:20.57 | Scythe|Tinman | but it won't boot once the install is finished |
| 13:21.04 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: raid1 for /boot, yes, rest = raid5 |
| 13:21.19 | Scythe|Tinman | I'm beginning to suspect the easiest thing to do would be to track down a PATA drive, boot off that, and RAID5 the other four drives |
| 13:21.27 | Scythe|Tinman | but a brand new PATA drive is going to be hard to find |
| 13:21.31 | Titan8990_ | Scythe|Tinman, that guide has you compile your own kernel.... are you familiar with that? |
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| 13:21.33 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: is /boot on raid1? define "won't boot" |
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| 13:21.54 | Scythe|Tinman | "No or corrupt operating system" after POSt |
| 13:21.55 | Scythe|Tinman | POST* |
| 13:22.03 | n215 | how do I encrypt hard drives |
| 13:22.09 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: that means you dont' have grub on the MBR's |
| 13:22.17 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: this is software raid right? |
| 13:22.24 | Scythe|Tinman | Titan8990_: i've rolled my own for a carputer, I just left defaults for this setup |
| 13:22.27 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: not the motherboard-raid stuff, right? |
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| 13:22.43 | Scythe|Tinman | puddles: yep, hardware lock-in tres bad |
| 13:23.07 | Titan8990_ | Scythe|Tinman, thats a vanilla kernel in the guide... if you compiled it with the defaults, your not going to get a working system |
| 13:23.13 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: boot to a usb live distro or something, mount your debian stuff somewhere and chroot to it, then run grub and install to fist hard drive |
| 13:23.20 | Scythe|Tinman | but yeah, that's essentially what I did, /boot on the RAID1 on a 1 gig partition at the start of each drive |
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| 13:23.43 | Titan8990_ | lol 1gb boot partition |
| 13:24.02 | Scythe|Tinman | overkill I know, but there's 4x750GB drives in this box |
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| 13:24.18 | Titan8990_ | thinks 100mb is overkill |
| 13:24.21 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: e.g., mdadm --assemble --scan; mount /dev/md1 /mnt/debian; chroot /mnt/debian; grub --no-floppy; then once inside grub, root (hd0,0) and find /grub/stage1, and setup (hd0) |
| 13:24.34 | Scythe|Tinman | what's a boot sector? a kB, if that? |
| 13:24.43 | administ2ator | Trying to update an old [lenny] system, had to use upgrade --fix-missing. The process completed but says it's hoding back linux-image-2.6-486. I tried to install samba and it failed do to unmet / un-installable dependencies. |
| 13:24.44 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: 512 bytes |
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| 13:25.32 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, those two are likely unrelated, pastebin the samba install error |
| 13:26.05 | Scythe|Tinman | puddles: though that can I then copy the boot sector to the start of the other drives? |
| 13:26.11 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: you only need about 200MB for /boot (much less if you don't keep multiple kernels) |
| 13:26.34 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: yes, dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 |
| 13:26.45 | Scythe|Tinman | ah, dumb question |
| 13:27.04 | administ2ator | http://pastebin.com/2f367cb74 |
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| 13:27.40 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, link displays a blank page for me |
| 13:28.03 | puddles | n215: how? carefully ... seriously? with dm-crypt. don't know how debian supports encryption during install ... but if you don't care about / being encrypted, you can set one up after the fact easily, with "cryptsetup" |
| 13:28.33 | administ2ator | http://pastebin.com/f2367cb74 |
| 13:28.35 | administ2ator | sorry |
| 13:28.59 | administ2ator | Terminal mode only here and cannot cut and paste so made a typo. |
| 13:30.12 | petemc | administ2ator: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 13:30.21 | puddles | hey petemc! |
| 13:30.28 | petemc | hello |
| 13:30.29 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, did you just upgrade from etch? |
| 13:30.34 | petemc | does a whois |
| 13:30.38 | puddles | <- eeyore- |
| 13:30.42 | petemc | ah |
| 13:30.44 | petemc | word up |
| 13:30.45 | administ2ator | Titan8990_: Not that I know of... no. |
| 13:30.54 | abrotman | why is eeyore- not where eeyore- lives ? |
| 13:31.05 | puddles | nick purged :-) |
| 13:31.05 | administ2ator | But I'm open to suggestion... |
| 13:31.27 | administ2ator | Just found a use for this box that was laid aside for a few months. |
| 13:31.36 | abrotman | administ2ator: which version of debian? did you look at the sources.list ? |
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| 13:32.07 | administ2ator | abrotman: I assume it is lenny, but not real sure how to tell for sure. |
| 13:32.21 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:32.23 | abrotman | just gave a pretty good hint |
| 13:32.38 | Titan8990_ | abrotman, sorry, i gave it away early |
| 13:32.42 | administ2ator | 5.0.3 from /etc/debian-version |
| 13:33.14 | puddles | Scythe|Tinman: so, is it working? |
| 13:33.42 | administ2ator | pastebin.com/f1c397f |
| 13:35.17 | administ2ator | Titan8990_: I may very well have started out as etch, just not sure. This box has been unpluged and sitting idle for several months, not sure how long. |
| 13:35.43 | puddles | abrotman: i'm gonna get to play with a pegatron (arm coretex a8) desktop next week :-) should be fun |
| 13:35.53 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, well, your samba appears to have different depends then the one I am seeing |
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| 13:36.22 | administ2ator | Titan8990_: I did apt-get install samba* |
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| 13:36.35 | Scythe|Tinman | puddles: I'm currently using that box as my webserver, going to have to rejuvinate the old hardware so I can put my server's HD back in |
| 13:36.37 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, aptitude update; aptitude install samba |
| 13:36.47 | Scythe|Tinman | I could probably shut it down and plug the other hard drives in |
| 13:36.50 | Scythe|Tinman | install to them |
| 13:36.55 | Scythe|Tinman | and then take out the server HD |
| 13:36.57 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, it doesn't help to resolve issues by trying to isntall bunch of packages at once |
| 13:37.24 | puddles | bbl, work! |
| 13:37.32 | administ2ator | Titan8990_: Ok, thanks for that bit of info... |
| 13:37.59 | administ2ator | I tend to try and take short cuts that are not really short |
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| 13:40.12 | administ2ator | Ok, I have samba installed. Very good. I don't suppose swat is something that is usable from CLI is it? |
| 13:40.29 | administ2ator | or something I should try to install? |
| 13:40.37 | abrotman | he ran away! |
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| 13:40.53 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, no, i think swat is a web interface |
| 13:41.05 | administ2ator | Titan8990_: Local? |
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| 13:41.55 | Titan8990_ | !swat |
| 13:41.55 | dpkg | hmm... swat is Special Weapons And Tactics, or <Samba> Web Administration Tool: 'aptitude install swat', enable it in /etc/inetd.conf if necessary, 'invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart', then point your web browser at http://localhost:901/ |
| 13:42.46 | administ2ator | Titan8990_: Ok, I'll assume swat is local web interface and will do no good if I do not have X installed. Thanks for the info, (you and your bot :)_ |
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| 13:43.35 | n215 | how do I encrypt hard drives on debian ? |
| 13:43.46 | administ2ator | will vi smb.conf |
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| 13:44.19 | Scythe|Tinman | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/mnt/hda1 |
| 13:44.24 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, usually the point of web interface is easy remote administration |
| 13:44.34 | Scythe|Tinman | (don't do that) |
| 13:44.36 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, i usually don't touch web interfaces or samba howrver |
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| 13:50.24 | xeon-enouf | n215: the installer guides you ; /msg dpkg ig |
| 13:50.53 | the-dude | any suggestions for deployment of custom firefox ? |
| 13:50.53 | xeon-enouf | or .. do you want something like truecrypt (after the fact, can do dirs/) |
| 13:51.04 | linXea | n215, turecrypt =) |
| 13:51.11 | xeon-enouf | the-dude: yeash, install iceweasel :-P |
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| 13:51.34 | the-dude | xeon-enouf: firefox/iceweasel whatever :p |
| 13:51.44 | linXea | n215, truecrypt is great... works cross-platform even |
| 13:51.57 | xeon-enouf | the-dude: why don't you just use it, instead of 'deploying' it? ;-) |
| 13:52.16 | xeon-enouf | and what do you desire to customize? |
| 13:52.23 | the-dude | xeon-enouf: I want to deploy a version with extra plugins included for our desktops :) |
| 13:52.35 | xeon-enouf | ok |
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| 13:52.49 | themill | the-dude: it's possible to package plugins too |
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| 13:53.26 | xeon-enouf | the-dude: if you use iceweasel and debian sources, it's as easy as installing the resultant .deb |
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| 13:53.54 | the-dude | xeon-enouf: I was thinking of that as well, but I thought there might be something more "smooth" |
| 13:54.19 | justin | the-dude: have a small package that depends on iceweasel and diverts the files you want changed? |
| 13:54.25 | xeon-enouf | the-dude: idon't understand |
| 13:54.42 | justin | if all you want is custom add-ons then you dont even have to divert anything |
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| 13:55.27 | the-dude | I would prefer to use iceweasel from upstream but I need 2 add zarafa plugins, so Im not sure yet which way I am going to fix it |
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| 13:55.43 | xeon-enouf | the-dude: /msg dpkg iceweasel ;-) |
| 13:55.49 | xeon-enouf | upstream is debian ;-) |
| 13:56.06 | the-dude | perhaps I can diff a default iceweasel with a custom iceweasel |
| 13:56.06 | xeon-enouf | now, Firefox .. is upstream .. mozilla.org |
| 13:56.16 | Iconsumed | Hi, i just switched to squeeze and now somehow my system doesn't recognize the internet connection fully... I can use internet without problem but the connection icon in the "activity bar" shows offline and the browser goes automaticly in "offline mode" |
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| 13:56.46 | snappy | Hm damn, puddles left already. |
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| 13:57.00 | xeon-enouf | the-dude: /msg dpkg package basics; /msg dpkg dpkg-buildpackage ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 13:57.21 | xeon-enouf | eeyore heh |
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| 13:57.26 | the-dude | xeon-enouf: I know how to create and build packages :) |
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| 13:57.41 | Dominicus_ | So, has anyone here ever installed debian via cd/dvd using a netinst on amd64 and had cd/dvd mount issues (after the installer has already booted up)? |
| 13:57.42 | xeon-enouf | the-dude: now i really don't understand |
| 13:57.46 | Iconsumed | Now i'd rather it worked like it should but the most annoying part is having to uncheck "surf offline" every time i reboot, haha.. not so much job but there are other people using the computer and I want to give a good picture of linux =P |
| 13:58.00 | factor | Does anyone know how to get QTL quicktime media working in Debian Linux? |
| 13:58.38 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: tell us more about your mounting of optical media issues |
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| 13:58.46 | the-dude | xeon-enouf: it would be nice to use the package from the repo instead of creating my own package |
| 13:58.56 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: are you stuck within the Installer? |
| 13:59.00 | the-dude | xeon-enouf: and I would be nice to add plugins with puppet or something |
| 13:59.16 | xeon-enouf | knows no puppets, personally |
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| 14:00.51 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: try 'install generic.all_generic_ide=1' |
| 14:01.16 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: or, if SATA drive, maybe 'install libata.atapi_enabled=' |
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| 14:01.28 | xeon-enouf | er =1 |
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| 14:02.22 | xeon-enouf | Iconsumed: IW? try File > Offline mode |
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| 14:02.34 | elli222 | mmm... |
| 14:02.37 | jelly | so... can a whole disk be put under md raid1 and migrated online to a disk of the same or bigger size? |
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| 14:03.13 | jelly | (or, where does md place its metadata?) |
| 14:03.14 | xeon-enouf | jelly: you mean 2 partitions on the same drive? (raid1) ? |
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| 14:03.24 | GRiFTaH-xtc | xeon-enouf: Your thought being that either there is a module loading interfering with normal optical drive operation or that its extra atapi support to work? |
| 14:03.25 | xeon-enouf | on the disks themselves, IINM |
| 14:03.29 | jelly | xeon-enouf: no, I mean two whole disks |
| 14:04.04 | Amo__ | Hi, does someone knows where i can find some help about php-net-smartirc package (lenny) and how to use these php-classes ? |
| 14:04.35 | xeon-enouf | GRiFTaH-xtc: well, it should just work[tm] - especially a recent Lenny Installer, but either/both of those |
| 14:04.55 | jelly | xeon-enouf: I want to dd the whole disk to a newer one, and be able to work on that machine while it's being copied. Then I'll remove the old disk |
| 14:05.10 | xeon-enouf | Iconsumed: untick disable offline mode, close browser, restart browser |
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| 14:05.58 | xeon-enouf | jelly: i'm not sure, so i won't advise .. apologies |
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| 14:06.19 | xeon-enouf | jelly: maks in -boot or -kernel would know |
| 14:06.28 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: well it's been like 2-3 days now. I have the netinst amd64 iso burned to a cd-rw (I didn't burn the CD-RW from this same drive, but when I ran kprobe on it from a momentary windows install on the new box and it didn't report any problems). The optical drive is an IDE Lite-On ihap422 9 it's brand new, and it installed vista just fine. It'. I verified the checksum on the iso and on... |
| 14:06.29 | Dominicus_ | ...the disc. And I can consistently boot from the CD-RW. But once I get to the part of the install where it wants to mount the optical media, it tells me that it isn't in the drive via the gui. I get messages of unknown opcode, 0x58 errors, not ready yet, lots of weird stuff. And depending on almost the randomness of when i reboot the box, the error messages are different, and sometimes let... |
| 14:06.31 | Dominicus_ | ...me try to install, but usually just prevent the optical media from mounting. I've tried scouring google for tips, and I've tried setting sata junk in the bios to ahci in two places, to no effect. I even switched the drive from Master mode to Cable Select. The only thing i haven't really done was switch the optical drive and cable, which is probably next. It's so frustrating. |
| 14:06.38 | xeon-enouf | whoa ... |
| 14:06.45 | Iconsumed | xeon-enouf: yes that works but when I reboot I have to do it again |
| 14:06.53 | themill | introduces Dominicus_ to mailing lists |
| 14:06.55 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: Yeah, lots of work done with the problem already. |
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| 14:07.11 | xeon-enouf | Iconsumed: when you restart the browser, does it remain in offline mode? stop rebooting |
| 14:07.16 | Dominicus_ | themill: mailing lists are already scoured via google. there's no point. |
| 14:07.21 | Iconsumed | xeon-enouf: hmm actually I guess I use epiphany most, but also IW |
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| 14:07.40 | themill | Dominicus_: in relation to the length of your last essay |
| 14:07.59 | Iconsumed | xeon-enouf: haha, yes it remains but I want to turn the power off when I go to sleep... |
| 14:08.11 | Iconsumed | xeon-enouf: and then it goes away |
| 14:08.16 | Dominicus_ | shoos themill away. *giggles* |
| 14:08.19 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: sounds like a) bad ISO or b) your overclockling or c) bad RAM |
| 14:09.04 | xeon-enouf | Iconsumed: i understand now, hrm.. maybe the network isn't up in time when the browser starts up |
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| 14:10.16 | Iconsumed | xeon-enouf: no I mean the network activity symbol in the upper right corner has an x all the time... says no internet connection (now every output is translated from swedish, but like that) |
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| 14:10.22 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: Stock "bios optimized settings" Memtest86+ already passes just fine. I did have bad ram, but i eliminated it. i'll run memtest86+ again for giggles to see if this ram went bad over time. One of the sticks in the second 6 gigs of ram I bought had that issue. But it eventually degraded into producing POST failures at least. =) Any idea how often new iso's are generated? |
| 14:10.28 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: you should leave it in AHCI mode (generally) - tery both those boot options, and yes, you can replace install with intallgui there |
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| 14:10.52 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: I'm not sure what ahci really does. I have two sata HDD and one ide optical. |
| 14:11.06 | Iconsumed | xeon-enouf: well I don't know but that seams to indicate another problem |
| 14:11.10 | Iconsumed | xeon-enouf: right? |
| 14:11.11 | xeon-enouf | then use the 'generic' option |
| 14:11.15 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: |
| 14:11.23 | dank | is there a good way i can concatenate two files and only list the unique lines? |
| 14:11.31 | xeon-enouf | it's likely a libata issue of some sort Dominicus_ |
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| 14:11.41 | Dominicus_ | but I've already tried the ahci settings. one combination actuallyy prevents be from getting back into my bios, so I had to cllear it. it was bizarre. |
| 14:12.47 | xeon-enouf | maybe even try 'noapic acpi=off' .. but ufff.. see /Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt and /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 14:13.21 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: try installing with 1 stick of RAM only |
| 14:13.38 | xeon-enouf | !ahci |
| 14:13.39 | dpkg | i heard ahci is Advanced Host Controller Interface |
| 14:13.43 | xeon-enouf | heh |
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| 14:14.25 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: thatnks for that kernel paramter list. I'll try that 1 stick of ram only stuff. As wonderfully awkward as the notion that it would be too much ram in my box causing the issue. I'm up for anything at this point. |
| 14:14.29 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: Thanks. |
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| 14:15.25 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: ahci is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHCI |
| 14:15.25 | dpkg | okay, xeon-enouf |
| 14:15.38 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: which Installer? |
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| 14:16.02 | Arafangion | Hello... I've got an "uninterruptable" process that I need to destroy, however it survives kill -9. :( |
| 14:16.11 | Arafangion | How can I kill it? I know its PID. |
| 14:16.18 | Iconsumed | xeon-enouf: you got a lot of work to do, I'll just keep observing and trying to reproduce the fenomena and come back later... |
| 14:16.25 | justin | Arafangion: you don't, that is what uninterruptable means |
| 14:16.30 | Iconsumed | xeon-enouf: thanks anyway |
| 14:16.31 | hopper_irc | how can I install cakephp 1.2.5 in debian 5.02a |
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| 14:16.35 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: there's a #debian-amd64 as well - try here and on OFTC.net (they might ahave more of a clue) |
| 14:16.55 | Arafangion | justin: But I need to kill it, that's what I mean by doing a -9! |
| 14:17.11 | justin | Arafangion: and it's uninterruptable, which means you can't |
| 14:17.14 | xeon-enouf | Icon... |
| 14:17.32 | Arafangion | justin: So I've got a kernel bug? |
| 14:17.36 | xeon-enouf | no |
| 14:17.42 | xeon-enouf | !zombie |
| 14:17.43 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 14:17.53 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: oh seriously, another debian channel. nice. I didn't know there was another one. thanks! |
| 14:17.55 | justin | uninterruptable!=zombie |
| 14:18.02 | xeon-enouf | i know, but still |
| 14:18.09 | Arafangion | Well, the parent was zsh, which was running in an xterm, which is now closed. |
| 14:18.14 | xeon-enouf | you still can't kill -9 it |
| 14:18.19 | \amethyst | Arafangion: is it state D or state Z? |
| 14:18.21 | justin | Arafangion: you have some kind of hardware or network issue, dmesg might have some clues |
| 14:18.21 | Arafangion | I thought closing the xterm would kill the children. |
| 14:18.28 | xeon-enouf | D == uninterruptable sleep |
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| 14:18.30 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:18.33 | xeon-enouf | ps |
| 14:18.34 | \amethyst | Arafangion: ps aux |
| 14:18.36 | Arafangion | justin: I do indeed have a hardware issue. |
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| 14:19.00 | abrotman | wonders why there's no generic Netbook page in the wiki |
| 14:19.19 | Linux-IRC | Debian is better. |
| 14:19.20 | Arafangion | justin: The hardware issue is that the USB controller of an external HDD is crap, and I'm about to toss it. |
| 14:19.38 | Linux-IRC | Is it possible to install debian from usb with unetbootin? |
| 14:19.42 | Arafangion | 1000 8810 0.0 0.0 3228 720 ? D Sep18 0:01 cp xaa /media/O'Neill/ |
| 14:19.47 | Arafangion | So I would say it's D. |
| 14:19.52 | Arafangion | Uninterruptable sleep. |
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| 14:20.37 | Arafangion | And it's been so... since this morning (well over 12 hours ago) |
| 14:20.52 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: please don't bother #debian dev channels without using Debian (i don't think you mentioned _which_ installer you're using) .. i recall you said netinstall and amd64, but which release and version of installer? |
| 14:20.57 | justin | Arafangion: stop fussing over it, here is nothing you can do |
| 14:21.32 | Arafangion | justin: So, eg, if this happens to a server, I would be forced to reboot the server? |
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| 14:21.43 | justin | Arafangion: no, you would be forced to IGNORE it |
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| 14:21.56 | Arafangion | Does it contribute to the load average? |
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| 14:22.13 | \amethyst | and to stop using that disk controller |
| 14:22.19 | justin | Arafangion: load average is just a number |
| 14:22.19 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.25 | \amethyst | Arafangion: yes, it will increase the load by 1 |
| 14:22.34 | Arafangion | Ok. |
| 14:22.49 | Arafangion | Why doesn't the kernel let you kill it, anyway? |
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| 14:24.42 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: Next to nobody in #debian-amd64 (LOL). And I'd probably never bug the dev channel, somehow I'm under the impressions that it's for development issues, not installation issues. And I was trying to install with the "debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso". |
| 14:24.43 | Arafangion | Well, switching off that disk made it go, as expected. |
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| 14:25.54 | \amethyst | Arafangion: because the driver isn't prepared to abort the operation, so doing so could leave the kernel in an inconsistent state |
| 14:26.40 | Arafangion | Insightful. |
| 14:27.32 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: ok .. have you tried those params i mentioned? also, messages are on alt-f4, and you could get a shell on alt-f2 if modprobing is needed |
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| 14:27.43 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: which IDE controller is that? |
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| 14:28.01 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: the PATA optical drive one, i mean |
| 14:28.41 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:28.45 | Arafangion | (On a real server) |
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| 14:28.59 | Gijs | hey all how can i change my vHost ? |
| 14:29.02 | Gijs | for the server |
| 14:29.14 | xeon-enouf | Arafangion: it's not a 'zombie' as justin pointed out earlier |
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| 14:29.28 | petemc | Gijs: change your what? |
| 14:29.30 | tawan | Gijs, join #freenode and ask |
| 14:29.40 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: I'm still working on the one stick of ram, + switching to fail-safe bios + usb mouse and keyboard enablement. |
| 14:29.45 | xeon-enouf | Arafangion: (just to clarify, though i did the dpkgbot thing) |
| 14:30.11 | Gijs | look if i connect to irc with my bnc on my server i see a vHost: static.**.**.**.**.clients.your-server.de |
| 14:30.21 | tawan | Gijs, join #freenode and ask |
| 14:30.28 | Arafangion | xeon-enouf: I was pretty sure I killed the parent. |
| 14:30.34 | Gijs | it is not a irc question! |
| 14:30.36 | petemc | Gijs: thats your reverse dns |
| 14:30.43 | Gijs | can i edit it |
| 14:30.45 | Gijs | i got a domain |
| 14:30.49 | petemc | not likely |
| 14:30.56 | Gijs | huh? |
| 14:31.20 | petemc | http://www.ripe.net/reverse/ |
| 14:31.22 | xeon-enouf | Gijs: you want a mask? |
| 14:31.28 | xeon-enouf | cloak |
| 14:31.37 | Gijs | no i want my reverse dns change |
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| 14:31.42 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 14:31.54 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: seems to be mounting this time. Going to reboot to see if it's consistently working. And there's only one ide cable on this Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD4P. It's at the end of the cable (lol. just for giggles, 1 connector plugged in at motherboard, other two connectors are at the other end, and that optical is at the end of the cable set as cable select). |
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| 14:32.10 | petemc | Gijs: speak to whoever owns the ip range |
| 14:32.18 | Gijs | HUH? |
| 14:32.24 | jelly | Gijs: you'll have to ask your ISP to assign you a fixed ip address and set up a custom RDNS record. This sometimes costs money. |
| 14:32.40 | Gijs | :o |
| 14:32.46 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: that's all ok, so long a cable isn;t bad - oh, is it an 80 wire cable? (not 80 pins, but wires) |
| 14:32.50 | hopper_irc | how can I install cakephp 1.2.5 in linux |
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| 14:33.02 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: and what message is given when it fails? |
| 14:33.15 | hopper_irc | how can I install cakephp 1.2.5 in debian 9.04 |
| 14:33.18 | xeon-enouf | oh, ok |
| 14:33.37 | xeon-enouf | is having some comprehension issues this mornin' it seems |
| 14:33.43 | toor | is there a command line util or proc file to check battery status |
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| 14:34.23 | xeon-enouf | toor: somewhere in /sys/power/ IINM .. there are tools too |
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| 14:34.46 | themill | toor: "acpi -V", for example? |
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| 14:34.53 | xeon-enouf | toor: it's been moved out of /proc/acpi/ .. is gone, now /sys houses all that |
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| 14:35.34 | toor | awesome, thanks guys. |
| 14:36.16 | SparFux | Hello. How do I get a input device for keyboard in /dev/ From mumble I get this error: GlobalShortcutX: Unable to open any keyboard input devices under /dev/input, falling back to XEVIE |
| 14:36.37 | tosmo | hi, i try to get sound working in kvm. the problem now seems to be that kvm/qemu itself has problems playing sound using alsa. unfortunately i get no messages that would hint me to the problem. (i use winxp inside kvm. it found the es1370 card i added, but i hear no sounds) |
| 14:36.37 | the-dude | *g* debian 9.04 |
| 14:36.52 | xeon-enouf | toor: ithink i recall seeing a /sys/../../BAT0 file in there or something |
| 14:37.11 | PuffTheMagic | does anyone have a link to the arm debian pacakges |
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| 14:37.25 | xeon-enouf | find /sys -name '*BAT*' :-P |
| 14:38.07 | xeon-enouf | PuffTheMagic: /msg dpkg sources.list ? or you want packages.debian.org? |
| 14:38.17 | PuffTheMagic | the latter |
| 14:38.30 | PuffTheMagic | i dont actually have deb installed i just need to raid some packages ;D |
| 14:38.39 | abrotman | PuffTheMagic: you want all the packages available for ARM ? |
| 14:38.44 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
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| 14:39.07 | elli222 | omgomgomgomg it worked |
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| 14:39.36 | abrotman | PuffTheMagic: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-arm/Packages.bz2 .. change for your flavor/spice |
| 14:39.44 | elli222 | xeon-enouf, you there? |
| 14:39.50 | PuffTheMagic | thanks |
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| 14:41.59 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: LOL, second attempts it fails. "hda: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }", "ide: failed opcode was: unknown", "hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }", "hda: drive not ready for command", "hda: weird block size 0", "hda: default to 2kb block size", "attempt to access device beyond end of device", "hda: rw=0, want=68, limit=4", "isofs_fill_super:... |
| 14:41.59 | Dominicus_ | ...bread failed, dev=hda, iso_blknum=16, block=16" .... rinse and repeat. The last two are added when i try to mount the media specifically for a disk access, otherwise everything before that happened before the step to mount the optical media in the "debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso" installer". |
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| 14:42.06 | Dominicus_ | hates typing all that crap. |
| 14:42.25 | elli222 | suggests using copy and paste |
| 14:43.36 | Dominicus_ | suggests that elli222 tells me how to mount the media I cannot mount, so Dominicus can get access to the kernel modules to activate networking, usb, or even fisk to partition Dominicus' hard drives for formatting, accessing them, and then writing the file. |
| 14:44.16 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: very nicely done; now, copy/paste all that into a nice reportbug Installation report and send it to the BTS |
| 14:45.19 | Dominicus_ | facepalms himself. |
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| 14:45.36 | qoreQyaS | its possible to facepalm someone else?! |
| 14:45.45 | Dominicus_ | no. that's just assault. |
| 14:46.04 | Dominicus_ | Including the additional legal implications. |
| 14:46.10 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: try #debian-boot on oftc.net (that's the installer people) .. but i'm confused, 'second attempt'? You finish installation fully once? |
| 14:46.12 | qoreQyaS | hehe |
| 14:46.18 | elli222 | dont forget the phisical boundaries |
| 14:46.24 | Dominicus_ | But it's makes no sense for me to just say "Dominicus facepalms." |
| 14:46.37 | moty66 | any body has debian on HP PROLIANT 380 G3 or PROLIANT family? |
| 14:46.55 | jelly | !proliant |
| 14:46.56 | dpkg | HP Proliant utilities for etch i386: http://tinyurl.com/3tvpwg, etch amd64: http://tinyurl.com/mfg6yp, lenny i386&amd64: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib2/software1/pubsw-linux/p1538177301/v45350/, some etch utilities need libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 installed (a copy is available in hp's iso for lenny, or somewhere on archive.debian.org) |
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| 14:48.07 | jelly | moty66: about 70 of those, why? |
| 14:48.20 | CharminTheMoose | facepalms xeon-enouf :D |
| 14:48.24 | jelly | most are G4 or G5 by now, though |
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| 14:48.47 | elli222 | wait, if it worked once and failed the second time... looks like a HW issue to my inexpierienced eye |
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| 14:48.48 | moty66 | jelly: I am going to buy this one http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120469592042&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT |
| 14:49.17 | fredl | for $170? not a bad buy :) |
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| 14:49.23 | moty66 | jelly: and I wnated to asked if it is difficulty to configure |
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| 14:49.25 | xeon-enouf | CharminTheMoose: m000sH! |
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| 14:49.43 | fredl | I just installed Debian 64 bit on my new i7 server |
| 14:49.49 | moty66 | fredl: yes :) |
| 14:49.58 | fredl | well 'server', it's a 'server/mediabox' |
| 14:50.06 | Titan8990_ | moty66, if your concerned about configuring, you shouldn't be buying a rackmount server |
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| 14:50.39 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: lol. Hungover are we? j/k. No, the first time after you made all those suggestions, i went the simplest route of dropping to one 2gig stick, and defaulting the bios down from optimized defaults to fail-safe defaults, restarted, and it mounted the media fine. And proceeded. So, I restart the box to see if the problem was consistently resolved, and that's when it didn't want to... |
| 14:50.41 | Dominicus_ | ...mount the media. The problem this whole time has been intermittent, but the majority of the time it doesn't mount. I wouldn't have completed the install during one of those times, but I always suffer from mental failure when it asks me to partition it, and I always have to figure out how big I want the partitions, especially since I'm migrating from 150 GB to 1.5 TB hard drives. |
| 14:50.55 | xeon-enouf | has rack mounted musical gear .. and loves 'configuring' it :-P |
| 14:51.40 | hark | judd: kernels |
| 14:51.41 | judd | hark: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-7); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 14:51.43 | moty66 | Titan8990_: what i need is a server to replavce my G3 PPC 400Mhz, because bugzilla loves the ghz : |
| 14:51.51 | fredl | I think the LVM configuration at installation is sorta, well, non-intuitive. |
| 14:52.09 | elli222 | thanks for the help xeon-enouf, i eventually figured it out, and now my 32-bit gtk1.2 now looks for engines in the right place :D |
| 14:52.11 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: migrating? What exactly did you alter to get from working to non-working? |
| 14:52.12 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: and because I'm opposed to the simplistic, shoot yourself in the foot, approach of one boot partition, and one ultra large root partition. |
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| 14:52.26 | Titan8990_ | fredl, i agree |
| 14:52.28 | fredl | I also immediately upgrade from lenny to squeeze, I guess I shouldn't have because I can't get fglrx to run on it. |
| 14:52.37 | xeon-enouf | !congratulate elli222 |
| 14:52.37 | dpkg | Good show elli222, you did it! |
| 14:52.42 | Titan8990_ | fredl, i thought you said server? |
| 14:52.42 | xeon-enouf | elli222: ;-) |
| 14:52.51 | jelly | moty66: Proliants are nice and work well IME. 280G3 has iLO 1 remote management, and you're able to power cycle, reboot and access the console via ssh. |
| 14:53.05 | fredl | Titan8990, yes and I corrected myself afterwards, it's a server / mediabox' |
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| 14:53.37 | gum2tux | wondering whether is there a way to have my external with encrypted folder/partition that can able be recognized & read by both Linux and Windows system ?? |
| 14:53.48 | elli222 | libtool didnt want to make shared libs, so i had to do it using gcc -m32 -shared blah.o -lblah libblah.so etc.... which was a major pain T_T |
| 14:53.52 | Titan8990_ | fredl, ah, well, most servers i have seen come with like 8mb video cards |
| 14:53.52 | fredl | Titan8990, that's conceivably one of the biggest flaws in most OS'es that they are not good at doing *both* at the same time. |
| 14:53.56 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: Nothing. Still operating old box is a P4 HT 3.0Ghz 2GB ram, 4 150 GB sata drives. New box is i7 920, 12 GB ram, 2 1.5 TB sata drives. And the new box will of course be 64 bit. So, it's ALL new and potentially different hardware. |
| 14:54.16 | xeon-enouf | gum2tux: yes |
| 14:54.19 | moty66 | jelly: fantastic, so I can place pid |
| 14:54.23 | Titan8990_ | fredl, not a flaw... the client-server setup has worked very well for a long time |
| 14:54.40 | Titan8990_ | fredl, and as a system admin I would rather my server was not on a user's pc or something stupid like that.... |
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| 14:54.47 | jelly | moty66: er, 380 G3. remember to get the latest firmware cd and flash it to work around any known problems with firmware (especially hw raid firmware) before installing stuff or setting up the raid |
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| 14:55.13 | gum2tux | xeon-enouf, please provide me the detail and where is the website have such info ? |
| 14:55.17 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: The previous installs on two system i still use were installed from a 32 bit netinst installer. This new one is 64 bit. But, I can't just try out this 64 bit netinstaller on the older hardware. It naturally won't even boot. |
| 14:55.17 | Titan8990_ | fredl, but any box can function as desktop + file server, done that a time or two |
| 14:55.39 | moty66 | jelly: I don't think that they provide the cd of the firmware, is it available on hp site ? |
| 14:55.52 | fredl | Titan8990, good point, but as a mediabox this box is not going to be on anybodys desktop, but it will be connected to my living room's TV and AV furniture. |
| 14:56.10 | jelly | moty66: it is. |
| 14:56.14 | fredl | so it's going to be on 27/7 so nobody has to first boot up the PC to listen to music or watch a movie... |
| 14:56.20 | fredl | ehr 24/7 even. |
| 14:56.48 | fredl | and since it's going to be on 24/7, why not utilize some VT-d and make a virtual server onto it as well. |
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| 14:57.01 | fredl | but all that is still pending :) |
| 14:57.06 | moty66 | jelly: what is the max price in you opinion of this g3? |
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| 14:57.52 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: wait, it worked with "dropping to one 2gig stick, and defaulting the bios down from optimized defaults to fail-safe defaults, restarted, and it mounted the media fine." but then you reboot and it does _not work_?! that's either a hardware issue or the media is hot/bad, IME .. perhaps rebooting either a) reset something in your BIOS setup, and/or b) your RAM isn't clearing properly - as a Quick/Silent/Fast boot mode will byp |
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| 14:58.23 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: try cold boots, in between .. shutdown fully .. even unplug AC cable temp ;-) |
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| 14:58.44 | racecar56 | i have gtk2-engines installed but i don't have the clearlooks window border theme, what's wrong? |
| 14:58.53 | racecar56 | i'm using squeeze |
| 14:58.55 | xeon-enouf | however, always boot into BIOS setup to ascertain nothing has changed Dominicus_ |
| 14:59.38 | jelly | moty66: I really have no idea. It's like 5 years old and you have no HP support... possibly have to get HP part number scsi disks to replace if one dies... check the already finished item prices. |
| 14:59.42 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus_: i need to run ... see ya - i'll read later whatever you might post here |
| 15:00.07 | moty66 | jelly: thank you :) |
| 15:00.11 | Titan8990_ | racecar56, aptitude install gtk2-engines-clearlooks? |
| 15:00.19 | racecar56 | Titan8990_: virtual package |
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| 15:00.34 | racecar56 | Titan8990_: gtk2-engines provides it |
| 15:01.04 | Dominicus_ | xeon-enouf: Thanks. have fun |
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| 15:03.56 | racecar56 | Titan8990_: or at least it's supposed to |
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| 15:05.05 | Gerk | hi |
| 15:05.18 | fredl | Hmm, I wonder if I should wait on using squeeze and just use lenny instead.... |
| 15:05.29 | solars | hey, can anyone suggest an mp3 plaer that supports lastfm scrobbling to quickly install? (temporary solution, deleted afterwards..) |
| 15:05.39 | Gerk | i updated my debian yesterday |
| 15:05.53 | fredl | Gerk - from lenny -> squeeze? |
| 15:05.56 | Gerk | and in alsamixer my soundcard is not rilevated |
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| 15:06.05 | dec3pti0n | anyone knows when postgresql 8.4.1 will move from sid (unstable) to lenny ? |
| 15:06.05 | justin | rilevated? |
| 15:06.05 | Gerk | sid -> sid |
| 15:06.07 | fredl | rilevated? |
| 15:06.08 | Gerk | : ) |
| 15:06.14 | Gerk | *matched |
| 15:06.15 | dec3pti0n | or how I can find that out on the site ? |
| 15:06.17 | dhiaeldeen | are there any PS2 emulators for ubuntu ? |
| 15:06.38 | Gerk | my soundcard is not found... |
| 15:06.46 | Gerk | but in lspci the card is found |
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| 15:06.54 | themill | dhiaeldeen: #ubuntu might know |
| 15:06.59 | Gerk | 00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880B [AudioPCI] (rev 02) |
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| 15:07.07 | Gerk | how can i solve this problem? |
| 15:07.26 | Gerk | i tried to restart alsa-utils and i have an error message |
| 15:07.34 | justin | Gerk: what do you mean by updated debian? |
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| 15:07.51 | Gerk | simple apt-get update |
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| 15:08.01 | themill | judd pciid 1274:5880 |
| 15:08.02 | judd | themill: [1274:5880] is '5880B [AudioPCI]' from 'Ensoniq' with kernel module 'snd-ens1371' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1274:5880 |
| 15:08.06 | fredl | followed by apt-get dist-upgrade I hope. |
| 15:08.14 | moty66 | jelly: 200⬠for now :) |
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| 15:08.56 | Gerk | fredl, i don't updated my system to another version...but only updated my programs |
| 15:09.16 | fredl | Gerk - yeah but you don't do that by just typing apt-get update. |
| 15:09.30 | racecar56 | anyone have a solution to make clearlooks show up in the theme manager? |
| 15:09.32 | fredl | that only refreshes your data files for apt. |
| 15:09.38 | Gerk | i need apt-get dist-upgrade also? |
| 15:10.09 | fredl | well.... if you just did apt-get update, essentially nothing has changed on y our system so I wonder how the audio card could have *stopped* working. |
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| 15:10.26 | Gerk | uhm |
| 15:10.37 | fredl | funny how I somehow always seem to manage to get a space between the y and the o |
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| 15:10.44 | Gerk | how can i see where is the problem? |
| 15:10.47 | fredl | looks at his thumb |
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| 15:11.11 | fredl | well if you didn't have a problem before, one thing's for sure, the problem is not caused by typing apt-get update. |
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| 15:11.44 | fredl | so you must have done something else to mess it up *if* ofcourse it did work before. |
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| 15:13.10 | Gerk | fredl |
| 15:13.17 | Gerk | i installed xmame yesterday |
| 15:13.17 | DelphiWorld | hello, |
| 15:13.18 | fredl | Gerk |
| 15:13.19 | Gerk | and qemu |
| 15:13.22 | DelphiWorld | please i have a DNS problem |
| 15:13.27 | DelphiWorld | i can't ping any host! |
| 15:13.39 | DelphiWorld | i just edited resolv.conf to reflect opendns server |
| 15:13.43 | DelphiWorld | but same |
| 15:13.45 | fredl | DelphiWorld, you did manage to get on IRC though, how can that be? |
| 15:14.07 | petemc | DelphiWorld: can you ping ip addresses? |
| 15:14.12 | fredl | Gerk - xmame is an audio application isn't it? |
| 15:14.19 | Gerk | yes |
| 15:14.24 | DelphiWorld | [ petemcyes, i can |
| 15:14.36 | DelphiWorld | [ fredl? |
| 15:14.39 | Gerk | Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator |
| 15:14.51 | petemc | DelphiWorld: in /etc/resolv.conf , you have "nameserver 1.2.3.4" |
| 15:14.54 | fredl | well maybe that messed up yoru audio config somehow. You could try deinstalling it and see if that brings the situation back to normal again? |
| 15:15.03 | Gerk | ok freaky[t] |
| 15:15.07 | Gerk | * fredl |
| 15:15.09 | Gerk | sorry. |
| 15:15.28 | DelphiWorld | [ peterSayes, i have opendns configured |
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| 15:15.37 | petemc | DelphiWorld: thats not what i asked |
| 15:15.39 | stsch | Does anyone have a problem with Bash completion since an update last days? I've configured mine to cycle through matches, but for most commands this is not working for files, anymore. |
| 15:16.01 | stsch | (e.g. rm t<TAB> cycles through all directories beginning with t, but not files) |
| 15:16.12 | fredl | grins at petemc. |
| 15:16.20 | DelphiWorld | [ petemc can you re ask please? |
| 15:16.27 | racecar56 | speaking of completion, how do i disable it? |
| 15:16.30 | racecar56 | bashrc? |
| 15:16.37 | petemc | DelphiWorld: i just wanted to be sure you have the syntax in resolv.conf correct |
| 15:16.49 | jelly | stsch: when an upgrade happens for zsh, I usually have to reexec the shell... might that be true for new-ish bashes, too? |
| 15:16.51 | petemc | people often forget to prefix nameserver |
| 15:16.53 | DelphiWorld | [ petemc ok, i will past it |
| 15:17.01 | petemc | DelphiWorld: dont paste here, obviously |
| 15:17.13 | fredl | DelphiWorld, why do you type a [ in front of everything |
| 15:17.15 | racecar56 | nvm i got it |
| 15:17.23 | stsch | jelly, I don't have a clue. :) |
| 15:17.26 | racecar56 | nvm, i don't |
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| 15:17.37 | stsch | jelly, what do you mean by reexec? |
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| 15:18.05 | DelphiWorld | [ petemc only one line! |
| 15:18.06 | DelphiWorld | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:18.33 | petemc | DelphiWorld: that doesnt look like opendns to me, but the syntax is fine |
| 15:18.36 | jelly | stsch: either close and open the terminals, or run "exec -", or run "exec bash" |
| 15:18.39 | DelphiWorld | [ petemc is corect? |
| 15:18.55 | petemc | DelphiWorld: assuming 192.168.1.1 will resolve names for you, yes |
| 15:18.55 | DelphiWorld | [ petemc no no opendns, is local address of my router |
| 15:18.59 | fredl | aha, here's what happened... when I tried installing fglrx apt must have downgraded to an older kernel version that squeeze. |
| 15:19.27 | fredl | and at least a few of the older kernel's headers and stuff are not available in squeeze. |
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| 15:19.35 | stsch | jelly, I see, but that won't fix the problem. It's happening for some days now and since then I rebooted several times thus starting the terminal more than once. ;) |
| 15:19.40 | fredl | somebody needs to have his ass kicked for that. |
| 15:19.43 | fluoresce | who's fucking brilliant idea was it to make X11 depend on hal |
| 15:19.43 | fluoresce | ? |
| 15:19.45 | fluoresce | wtf? |
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| 15:20.04 | fredl | hehe fluoresce hal is everywhere :P |
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| 15:20.14 | jelly | stsch: all right. |
| 15:20.19 | justin | fluoresce: people that wanted hotplug to work |
| 15:20.28 | fluoresce | fredl: WTF? I don't need that bloat -- I'm been going w/o dbus or hal for over 4 years now |
| 15:20.30 | DelphiWorld | [ petemc what is the problem? |
| 15:20.34 | fluoresce | fucking bloat |
| 15:20.43 | fredl | yup I agree to an extent. |
| 15:20.47 | fluoresce | wants to fucking cry :'( |
| 15:20.54 | petemc | DelphiWorld: it would appear that 192.168.1.1 isnt answering queries for you |
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| 15:21.14 | fluoresce | justin: you don't need hal for hotplug to work |
| 15:21.21 | fluoresce | justin: udev works just fine |
| 15:21.22 | fredl | well is it *that* bad to have hal running?? |
| 15:21.23 | themill | fluoresce: enough with the swearing and complaining. Using userspace tools like hal is part of moves towards allowing us to run X as non-root. Isn't that worth the work? |
| 15:21.28 | fluoresce | fredl: :( |
| 15:21.56 | fluoresce | themill: no |
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| 15:21.56 | jelly | fluoresce: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 15:21.56 | fredl | hal's not bad. |
| 15:22.09 | jelly | thinks hal sucks and blows, but tries not to care |
| 15:22.12 | themill | fluoresce: it also removes duplication of code that's currently in both xorg and hal and numerous other places |
| 15:22.20 | fluoresce | what is this? I installed debian, and now I'm being dragged by the pacakge maintainers into installing crap I don't want? |
| 15:22.38 | fluoresce | jelly: reading... |
| 15:22.38 | fredl | fluoresce, you don't *need* to install X ! |
| 15:22.41 | fredl | runs and hides |
| 15:22.43 | jelly | fluoresce: do you know abour --without-recommends? |
| 15:22.51 | justin | jelly: it's not a recommends |
| 15:22.52 | fluoresce | jelly: on aptitude? |
| 15:22.54 | themill | jelly: it's a hard dep |
| 15:22.55 | justin | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515214 |
| 15:22.57 | themill | fluoresce: if you want to microoptimise X, then perhaps gentoo would be more fun |
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| 15:23.03 | fluoresce | jelly: yea, it's a dep now ='p |
| 15:23.10 | jelly | themill, justin, fluoresce: oh. crap. :-) |
| 15:23.22 | fluoresce | themill: yes, I'm starting to want to move to gentoo more and more |
| 15:23.49 | fluoresce | justin: thank you for that link! finally, some sense! |
| 15:24.04 | fredl | I've never even tried gentoo, maybe I should have a look at that with this new server. |
| 15:24.20 | jelly | fluoresce: there be more links in #debian-x 's topic (on irc.debian.org) |
| 15:24.27 | themill | fluoresce: you're running a distribution of upstream software. In doing so, you are delegating responsibility for a lot of decisions to a group of volunteers who are trying to get things to "just work" for most most people. |
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| 15:24.44 | justin | fredl: gentoo is probably the worst thing you could put on a server, unless you can spend 24/7 maintaining it |
| 15:24.51 | fluoresce | themill: then really, debian folks should stop criticizing gentoo |
| 15:25.03 | jelly | themill: I already know that and still think hal's an annoyance. I've barely gotten used to udev. |
| 15:25.19 | fluoresce | jelly: amen, brutha |
| 15:25.20 | themill | hal's also going away. |
| 15:25.22 | jelly | srsly, xml? |
| 15:25.28 | fredl | justin - hmm, well keep in mind that I'm trying to set up a server/mediabox (one that also needs to be able to play music and audio and all from a desktop on my livingrooom TV) |
| 15:25.55 | fluoresce | hmm, maybe I can get away with holding back xserver-xorg |
| 15:26.18 | fluoresce | christ |
| 15:26.19 | justin | fluoresce: there is always equivs |
| 15:26.26 | fluoresce | justin: praytell? |
| 15:26.27 | themill | fluoresce: if you really care, you could try faking hal with equivs and then correctly configuring your xorg |
| 15:26.35 | fluoresce | whoa cool |
| 15:26.50 | themill | if such tinkering floats your boat |
| 15:27.10 | fluoresce | yes, anything to stop Hal from taking over |
| 15:27.36 | themill | "take over"? |
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| 15:27.41 | fredl | LOL |
| 15:27.47 | fluoresce | ;P |
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| 15:28.04 | fluoresce | "I'm sorry, David, but I'm a dependency now" |
| 15:28.33 | themill | heh |
| 15:28.36 | racecar56 | i was trying to get in a irc client that doesn't fail like the one im using and i get a "no identd (auth) response" error |
| 15:28.43 | racecar56 | s/the/this |
| 15:28.45 | fredl | anybody here have fglrx running on Sid? Might give that a try if that works. |
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| 15:29.07 | fredl | racecar56, just ignore that message. |
| 15:29.07 | xeon-enouf | fluoresce: "You know i can't allow you to do that, David" |
| 15:29.22 | Kuwaity | fuck off |
| 15:29.28 | fluoresce | xeon-enouf: "Because I'm a fucking dependency now" |
| 15:29.35 | fredl | oh there's a nice and polite Kuwaiti. |
| 15:29.38 | themill | Kuwaity: ? |
| 15:29.45 | xeon-enouf | PM spam? |
| 15:29.46 | Kuwaity | am super man |
| 15:29.51 | fluoresce | themill: Kuwaity is talking to iraq |
| 15:29.56 | xeon-enouf | super spamman? |
| 15:30.01 | peterS | Kuwaity: this channel is about debian developers, not dc comics |
| 15:30.02 | fredl | no he's talking to the infidel. |
| 15:30.05 | racecar56 | fredl: just wait it out? |
| 15:30.09 | peterS | errr, debian support and such |
| 15:30.14 | themill | Kuwaity: do you have a debian question we can help you with? |
| 15:30.16 | racecar56 | fredl: it disconnects me |
| 15:30.19 | Kuwaity | i not speak E :( |
| 15:30.20 | xeon-enouf | waves at peterS |
| 15:30.23 | nsadmin | din't feed |
| 15:30.27 | fredl | racecar56, yeah, identd is not required by pretty much most IRC servers coz it's stupid. |
| 15:30.33 | fredl | oh really.... |
| 15:30.33 | Kuwaity | do u speak arabic? |
| 15:30.42 | xeon-enouf | has to run now though .. maybe i'll hide with fredl :-p |
| 15:30.53 | fredl | hey! |
| 15:30.54 | fluoresce | is going to do the unthinkable -- give hal a chance... |
| 15:31.01 | fredl | I'm no good hiding place. |
| 15:31.05 | Kuwaity | oh my gad |
| 15:31.17 | racecar56 | can't switch to a irc client that doesn't fail like this one |
| 15:31.24 | fluoresce | holy hell, this upgrade will consme 68.4MB of disk space |
| 15:31.28 | peterS | Kuwaity: for future reference, "Fuck off" is not a traditional greeting in English |
| 15:31.28 | jelly | Kuwaity: tag! You're it. |
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| 15:31.43 | fredl | OH MY GOD FLUORESCE, A WHOLE 68.4MB?!?! |
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| 15:31.48 | fluoresce | fredl: yeah |
| 15:31.49 | Kuwaity | i want speak arabic |
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| 15:31.50 | fluoresce | fredl: seriously |
| 15:31.53 | peterS | fluoresce: remove an old unused linux-image-* package to make up for it |
| 15:31.56 | fredl | just bought a 1.5TB SATA disk for 119 euros. |
| 15:31.59 | racecar56 | fredl: it's not working :( it disconnects me |
| 15:32.09 | moty66 | Kuwaity: you can't speak arabic here |
| 15:32.14 | Kuwaity | åíáæææ |
| 15:32.19 | Kuwaity | yes |
| 15:32.21 | fluoresce | peterS: :P my linux-image-2.6.20.1 is only 20.*MB |
| 15:32.21 | racecar56 | [461] * USER :Not enough parameters |
| 15:32.26 | fredl | racecar56, well maybe then you may need to configure identd if you really *must* go to that IRC server.... |
| 15:32.30 | jelly | dpkg: qotd250 is <peterS> Kuwaity: for future reference, "Fuck off" is not a traditional greeting in English |
| 15:32.31 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 15:32.32 | moty66 | Kuwaity: no |
| 15:32.32 | Kuwaity | Çáæææææææææ |
| 15:32.33 | Gerk | fredl, i uninstalled xmame and qemu but the situation don't change |
| 15:32.35 | justin | racecar56: that isn't the fault of ident |
| 15:32.39 | peterS | fluoresce: oh... then get a 2.6.26 and then don't use it and _then_ get rid of _that_. |
| 15:32.42 | Kuwaity | :( |
| 15:32.44 | fluoresce | fredl: I've successfully managed to run an adequate testing system on only 1.4G for 4 years alreday |
| 15:33.00 | Kuwaity | am crazy man |
| 15:33.02 | fluoresce | fredl: it's been a losing battle, what with these inane dependencies |
| 15:33.07 | Kuwaity | :[ |
| 15:33.15 | justin | fluoresce: localepurge to the rescue? |
| 15:33.17 | fluoresce | peterS: 2.6.20.11 is my backup |
| 15:33.18 | Gerk | ah after an alsa restart...now the card is found |
| 15:33.27 | fredl | Gerk - good :) |
| 15:33.28 | Kuwaity | i want girls? |
| 15:33.34 | Gerk | : ) |
| 15:33.37 | fredl | Gerk - so write a bugreport for xmame :) |
| 15:33.40 | Kuwaity | :] |
| 15:33.41 | peterS | Kuwaity: do you have any debian-related questions or answers, in English? |
| 15:33.41 | fluoresce | justin: it's already there, and it only saves on <50M space |
| 15:33.44 | justin | Kuwaity: dpkg is a girl |
| 15:33.45 | racecar56 | justin: :\ do you know of one freenode server that doesn't do that? |
| 15:33.52 | justin | racecar56: fix your irc client |
| 15:33.57 | Gerk | fredl, where can i? |
| 15:33.58 | Kuwaity | am not good speak E |
| 15:34.03 | Kuwaity | i want girls? |
| 15:34.08 | nsadmin | Kuwaity: then you;'re going to have to talk to a thousand girls in the next year. |
| 15:34.15 | fredl | Kuwaiti - you are making Arabs look bad. |
| 15:34.23 | moty66 | Kuwaity: goto #arabeyes |
| 15:34.27 | fredl | Kuwaity, I wonder if that's your goal. |
| 15:34.31 | Kuwaity | okay |
| 15:34.39 | fredl | Kuwaity, and if so, I wonder if you're really an Arab. |
| 15:34.41 | Kuwaity | thx |
| 15:34.43 | nsadmin | and I don't mean on irc |
| 15:34.47 | Kuwaity | i love u all |
| 15:34.54 | Kuwaity | :[ |
| 15:34.58 | nsadmin | go meet them in person, and talk to them |
| 15:34.58 | racecar56 | justin: i fixed it :) |
| 15:35.00 | moty66 | is hiding |
| 15:35.10 | peterS | fredl: you think he's an ex-pat? his IP is in kuwait |
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| 15:35.34 | fredl | peterS could be anything. |
| 15:35.34 | nsadmin | if you do that, you'll never need irc ever again |
| 15:35.35 | Kuwaity | yes |
| 15:35.39 | Kuwaity | free kuwait |
| 15:35.41 | jelly | peterS: congrats! added 10 more qoutes to the qotd pool. |
| 15:35.47 | peterS | jelly: heh |
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| 15:35.59 | jelly | tests |
| 15:36.00 | Fersure | Kuwaity: I'll take it! |
| 15:36.06 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 15:36.06 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q |
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| 15:36.15 | racecar56 | brb |
| 15:36.15 | Kuwaity | okay |
| 15:36.23 | themill | jelly: somehow very apt... |
| 15:36.32 | Kuwaity | am looking for girls? |
| 15:36.34 | fredl | Gerk - uhm bugs.debian.org ? |
| 15:36.39 | peterS | yes, I'm pondering +b or not +b |
| 15:36.39 | Fersure | I was always a sucker for a free country. |
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| 15:36.47 | nsadmin | Kuwaity: are you still here? |
| 15:36.54 | Gerk | fredl, ok thanks |
| 15:36.57 | dcorking | racecar56: that error comes from the server, not the client, afaik |
| 15:36.58 | Kuwaity | yeah |
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| 15:37.05 | racecar56 | dcorking: k |
| 15:37.07 | Kuwaity | am super man |
| 15:37.08 | themill | Kuwaity: please /part. You're not going to get what you want by asking here |
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| 15:37.10 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@91.140.156.58] by peterS |
| 15:37.10 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 15:37.28 | teddymills | where does debian 5 put its mysql databases? |
| 15:37.33 | nsadmin | then go meet girls in person. 1000 new girls. |
| 15:37.48 | peterS | Kuwaity: you've been silenced. you can hear but you can't speak. the girls in here aren't talking anyway |
| 15:37.48 | racecar56 | still has trouble with gtk2-engines-clearlooks -_- |
| 15:37.53 | fredl | /var/lib/mysql ? |
| 15:38.12 | fredl | hey I'm a sexy hot girl, can I not talk in public to Kuwaiti? |
| 15:38.24 | fredl | I can fake it too :) |
| 15:38.28 | moty66 | hehehehe |
| 15:38.31 | Fersure | lol |
| 15:38.36 | jelly | fredl: ASL |
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| 15:38.40 | fredl | ROTFL |
| 15:38.44 | nsadmin | sure, you can fail to talk to Kuwaiti all you want! |
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| 15:39.02 | ranix | I have some equipment in kuwait I think |
| 15:39.11 | peterS | I could put you in the same +q if you want. then the two of you could _both_ not talk to each other in #debian |
| 15:39.23 | teddymills | are you sure the default location of mysql databases in debian5 is /var/lib/mysql |
| 15:39.25 | fredl | I bought Kuwait in monopolycitystreets.com |
| 15:39.42 | petemc | teddymills: yes |
| 15:39.43 | ranix | fredl: #debian-offtopic has people in it and likes to hear about things like that |
| 15:39.44 | fredl | renamed it 'TheInfidelNowOwnsYourAss' |
| 15:39.55 | fredl | ranix - sorry :) |
| 15:40.00 | dcorking | racecar56: most (all?) freenode irc servers ignore that anyway, since no-one runs identd on their gateways these days |
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| 15:40.23 | teddymills | uh oh, better call mako..someone deleted their /var |
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| 15:41.13 | peterS | I have to say, deleting your /var is generally not recommended |
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| 15:41.40 | fredl | so, is it possible at all to install lenny using two LVM2 disks or do you really need to add the second disk afterwards? |
| 15:41.54 | hark | dutchfish: http://bugs.debian.org/544607 |
| 15:42.07 | justin | fredl: lenny lets you setup lvm in the installer |
| 15:42.18 | justin | fredl: and even if it didn't you could set it up manually with the shell |
| 15:42.22 | fredl | justin - I know, but only on one disk. |
| 15:42.35 | justin | fredl: dunno about that, i've always done lvm on top of md |
| 15:42.37 | peterS | fredl: far as I know you can do it, of course you have to do manual partitioning in the installer, but I believe enough functionality is in there to add 2 disks to a VG, create an LV for the root fileeystem, and go |
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| 15:43.10 | peterS | fredl: it's _possible_ that there's some functionality gap in teh installer and you have to do the second disk later |
| 15:43.26 | peterS | I'm with justin, if I have two disks they generally go into a raid1 underneath the lvm |
| 15:43.52 | fredl | peterS - it's no biggie, haven't installed Debian from scratch for ages anyway but just noticed it while trying to set up my new server. |
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| 15:44.44 | fredl | I'm contemplating getting a third disk to set up a raid 5 instead. Is the performance diff. with striping noticeable on SATA disks? |
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| 15:45.54 | peterS | fredl: well, I don't know, but my impression is that raid5 is slightly slower than raid1 for both reading and writing. which is to say, as fast as raid0 for reading |
| 15:46.14 | ranix | raid0 minus a disk |
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| 15:46.43 | fredl | Hmm. in that case I better just stick to raid 1. I don't need the +/- 5% or so in speed gain/loss. |
| 15:46.55 | ranix | raid5 is storage capacity of n-1, where n is the number of disks in the array, as fast reading as s-1, where s is the speed of those disks in raid0 |
| 15:46.56 | justin | yeah, I only do raid 1 and raid10 anymore |
| 15:47.03 | justin | raid10 flies :) |
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| 15:47.19 | ranix | writing to raid5 is slow compared to read |
| 15:47.24 | ranix | because of parity calculation |
| 15:47.28 | fredl | I also got a dud board with fakeraid :( |
| 15:47.52 | peterS | well, parity calculation isn't _that_ expensive on modern CPUs, given that disk speeds haven't been keeping up with CPUs at all |
| 15:47.52 | justin | parity calculation and the fact that if you write 1k of data it needs to write on all the disks |
| 15:48.17 | fredl | I shoulda really checked into that more, I was expecting an expensive Gigabyte board to have true hardware RAID for some reason. |
| 15:48.45 | peterS | ha. if you want hardware raid, buy a server class motherboard and throw in some wishful thinking |
| 15:48.52 | ranix | fredl: check out md for raid anyway - it's very good in a total failure scenario |
| 15:49.13 | ranix | might be a little slower than a good hardware solution but it makes up for it with reliability |
| 15:49.26 | fredl | ranix - will definitely give it another go, I've tried it in the (way) past but was too inexperienced then for it to make sense for me. |
| 15:49.40 | fredl | ranix - can md be set up from the lenny installer somehow? |
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| 15:49.54 | ranix | fredl: believe it or not, yes - as of Etch I think but Lenny is better at it |
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| 15:50.22 | fredl | runs to Google |
| 15:50.24 | ranix | etch had problems with some sata controllers is all |
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| 15:50.51 | ranix | fredl: it took me two days to set up my first raid array and I did it poorly, but the second time I did it well |
| 15:50.53 | peterS | fredl: well just go into the partitioner, you'll see you can set a partition as an md device, then you can build a raid array from your partitions that you've created that way |
| 15:50.58 | usr13 | I need apache server installed but not sure which to choose, what do I install just for the standard apache server? |
| 15:51.06 | usr13 | http://pastebin.com/f59ce9e1d |
| 15:51.10 | usr13 | Using lenny |
| 15:51.16 | peterS | usr13: standard would be apache2-mpm-prefork |
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| 15:51.33 | fredl | peterS well that sounds easy enough. |
| 15:51.51 | peterS | prefork works with everything. the other mpm packages may not all work with php or whatever |
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| 15:52.02 | GRiFTaH-xtc | fred1: I thouhgt I had my raid setup correctly for about a year, until a disk failed... my advise, get the setup right by testing, testing, testing |
| 15:52.04 | peterS | though they're slightly slightly slightly faster if you don't need whatever they don't work with |
| 15:52.36 | ranix | I prefer to set up my raid arrays with one disk being the base system (or a raid1 being the base system) and data on a separate array |
| 15:52.41 | fredl | GRiFTaH-xtc, I know. That's why I bought a server that I'm going to document the crap out of and test, test, test before I bring it live. |
| 15:52.46 | ranix | that way you can lose one or the other and not worry about much |
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| 15:53.15 | ranix | worst case in the event of total collapse is "no data loss, have to rebuild install" or "install is fine, have to restore from backup" |
| 15:53.31 | fredl | and from a grml CD it's always possible to bring up an md/LVM disk again, right? |
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| 15:53.56 | peterS | fredl: even the lenny installer CD can do that in rescue mode, I think. I haven't tried it with a complex setup. |
| 15:54.19 | ranix | fredl: I have resurrected a collapsed raid5 without fully knowing what I was doing at the time |
| 15:54.22 | fredl | oh okay that's a thought too. Somebody pointed me to grml a while ago, I really like it |
| 15:54.35 | ranix | the controller failed and I had to reconnect the drives to a new motherboard and rebuild it |
| 15:54.38 | peterS | hey either way. I haven't tried the grml CD so I can't say what it can and can't do |
| 15:54.46 | fredl | well I'm going to give it a try, wish me luck :) |
| 15:54.51 | peterS | luck |
| 15:54.52 | ranix | gl |
| 15:54.52 | fredl | ciao and tnx. |
| 15:55.07 | peterS | !bless fredl |
| 15:55.07 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child fredl, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 15:55.09 | peterS | too bad he just left |
| 15:55.12 | Jemt | Hi guys. My good old Thinkpad X31 no longer works properly with Debain. Debain 5.03 won't let me use high resolutions with my ATI Mobility M6 graphics card. So I'm going to buy a brand new MacBook Pro tomorrow. But before I do that, I want to make absolutely sure, it is able to run Debian. If any of your guys have any expirence with Debian on MacBook, please let me know - both good and bad. It's a lot of money spend, just to be able to run Debia |
| 15:55.12 | Jemt | n again. Thanks :) |
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| 15:55.42 | Jemt | And yes, I've seen the pages on the wiki :) |
| 15:55.54 | peterS | odd that a mobility M6 would be unsupported, those things aren't new or fancy |
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| 15:56.21 | beardy | Well, no longer? |
| 15:56.30 | beardy | If it did before and the hardware is not broken, fix it? |
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| 15:57.11 | ranix | peterS: mobility m6 really *is* unsupported |
| 15:57.29 | peterS | by whom? fglrx, or the free radeon driver? |
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| 15:57.39 | ranix | the Mobility Radeon cards are god awful and aren't supported by *anything* fully |
| 15:57.45 | LobbyZ | Eh yeah, i need someone to give me the /etc/mysql and /etc/phpmyadmin files (all of them inside the folders) as i accidently deleted them |
| 15:57.57 | ranix | except the old windows xp drivers, under which they perform very well |
| 15:57.59 | Jemt | peterS: It's support just fine - but xrandr won't let me control the outputs properly. I can't change resolution, and I can't switch off the LVDS source, allowing me to choose a decent output resolution. It all works great on Debian 4 |
| 15:58.05 | chellomere | !tell LobbyZ about confmiss |
| 15:58.18 | LobbyZ | chellomere |
| 15:58.18 | LobbyZ | i've tried that already |
| 15:58.18 | Jemt | beardy: I've been trying for 4 days ;) |
| 15:58.18 | LobbyZ | didnt work. |
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| 15:58.27 | chellomere | then you did it wrong |
| 15:58.32 | LobbyZ | Nope |
| 15:58.40 | LobbyZ | Did exactly what it said |
| 15:58.41 | Jemt | ranix: I couldn't agree more. I will NEVER buy a computer with an ATI graphics adapter ever again |
| 15:58.41 | chellomere | make sure you know what package the config files are in |
| 15:58.47 | LobbyZ | I do |
| 15:58.52 | LobbyZ | Its Mysql and Phpmyadmin |
| 15:58.57 | LobbyZ | its now broken |
| 15:59.02 | ToreadorVampire | Hey all - I've just looked on packages.debian.org and there doesn't appear to be a 'librelaxng-datatype-java' in Squeeze - does anybody know if it has been replaced and if so, by what? |
| 15:59.04 | chellomere | LobbyZ, I assume you didn't put in "<packagename>"? |
| 15:59.18 | LobbyZ | I did |
| 15:59.18 | chellomere | LobbyZ, there are several packages of at least mysql. |
| 15:59.24 | ranix | Jemt: well... the old ATI cards are the same as any other graphics. When they were made, Linux wasn't a big thing and wasn't supported. ATI also wasn't under the same management it is now |
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| 15:59.35 | ranix | Jemt: those chipsets do work amazingly for integrated graphics in Windows |
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| 15:59.53 | Jemt | if any of your guys feel that you got enough expirence to assist me in making my ATI work properly Debian 5.0, please let me know. I would love to save my money by not spending them on a new Mac :) |
| 15:59.55 | gooddddd | hey |
| 16:00.00 | ranix | Jemt: it's just impossible, per my testing, to get randr working at native res or to enable TV out |
| 16:00.00 | LobbyZ | chellomere, i still need it |
| 16:00.15 | LobbyZ | chellomere, as it won't do my commands i.e apt-get or aptitude |
| 16:00.18 | gooddddd | i installed debian on my server [ vmware ] and then when i want to login as root its says " administrator user cant login on this screen" |
| 16:00.21 | gooddddd | what should i do? |
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| 16:00.30 | Jemt | ranix: Sure, and my X31 runs Windows just fine. I just don't like working under Windows myself |
| 16:00.33 | LobbyZ | chellomere, it forces me to do dpkg -configure -a and when i do that |
| 16:00.35 | chellomere | LobbyZ, "won't do your commands?" |
| 16:00.36 | abrotman | gooddddd: login as your normal user |
| 16:00.42 | Jemt | ranix: Sad :-/ |
| 16:00.43 | gooddddd | but i want to login as root |
| 16:00.44 | gooddddd | :\ |
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| 16:00.52 | themill | gooddddd: there's no need to |
| 16:00.56 | gooddddd | why not? |
| 16:01.03 | abrotman | gooddddd: you do not login to X as root |
| 16:01.05 | LobbyZ | chellomere, it forces me to use the dpkg which is a loop as it will try to install MySQL but will fail as the conf files are missing |
| 16:01.08 | chellomere | LobbyZ, this problem might explain why the other commands don't work. fix that before anything else. |
| 16:01.11 | peterS | gooddddd: is that an xdm graphical login screen or a text console, that you're getting to? |
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| 16:01.25 | gooddddd | graphical |
| 16:01.31 | ranix | Jemt: iirc, the open Radeon driver will work in native 1440x900 res or whatever but won't give TV out, and the old fglrx won't but will give you tv out |
| 16:01.32 | chellomere | LobbyZ, force a purge of it. |
| 16:01.33 | gooddddd | can i change it to text console? |
| 16:01.33 | Jemt | Oh, actually the ATI card is not working 100% on Debian 4.x either. It crashes about 10 times a week - that's a bit annoying too. |
| 16:01.34 | LobbyZ | chellomere, i need the config files then |
| 16:01.42 | abrotman | gooddddd: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 16:01.47 | LobbyZ | chellomere, as i said, i've gotten help from here before and it didnt work |
| 16:01.50 | ranix | Jemt: neither will give you 3d acceleration |
| 16:01.57 | peterS | gooddddd: ask your vmware help - without vmware it is ctrl-alt-f1 as abrotman said |
| 16:02.03 | gooddddd | thanks. |
| 16:02.07 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 16:02.09 | chellomere | !doesn't work |
| 16:02.09 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 16:02.10 | Jemt | ranix: I don't have TV-out. I'm currently working with a res at 1680x1050 with the ATI driver - no problem :) |
| 16:02.11 | chellomere | *plonk* |
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| 16:02.17 | LobbyZ | chellomere, i put exit 0 on 4 files which i forgot what it was but it fixed apt-get etc temporaily |
| 16:02.18 | DarkUranium | what lib handles stuff like FAT32 access in Linux? |
| 16:02.19 | abrotman | gooddddd: or loogin as your regular user . then use an xterm and su to root |
| 16:02.23 | DarkUranium | because it seems to be bugged (badly) |
| 16:02.28 | abrotman | DarkUranium: the kernel |
| 16:02.28 | Jemt | ranix: I got accelleration now, on Debian 4.0 |
| 16:02.28 | ranix | Jemt: I think the open ati driver and the radeon driver are actually the same |
| 16:02.28 | beardy | gooddddd: Don't login to X as root.. ever. |
| 16:02.39 | Jemt | Could be |
| 16:02.44 | DarkUranium | abrotman, which module? |
| 16:02.54 | gooddddd | ctrl+alt+f1 = text console = connected. |
| 16:02.56 | Jemt | Not sure - i'm no expert in this field. I did use a lot of time making it work on Debian 4.0 too |
| 16:03.11 | abrotman | DarkUranium: why is it 'bugged' ? |
| 16:03.12 | gooddddd | how i can take ip from the connection? |
| 16:03.21 | gooddddd | im a hoster |
| 16:03.30 | gooddddd | i know ips |
| 16:03.38 | peterS | gooddddd: when you log in you can type 'ip a' (if the right package is installed) or 'ifconfig' |
| 16:03.43 | DarkUranium | abrotman: moving doesn't work, for example (I know it's not the memory card) |
| 16:03.47 | DarkUranium | abrotman: neither does renaming |
| 16:03.53 | Jemt | Oh, btw - if anyone could recommend a good laptop for Debian 5, please let me know too. It sounds like MacBook[Pro] is well supported, but I'm open to new ideas |
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| 16:03.57 | DarkUranium | no error reported, and ls says it's the "new" name |
| 16:04.00 | abrotman | DarkUranium: uhm .. it works fine here .. i've used it tons of times |
| 16:04.05 | gooddddd | can u explain please ? Peter |
| 16:04.10 | gooddddd | i did ip |
| 16:04.13 | DarkUranium | however, taking the card out and reinserting it shows the old filename (and/or location) |
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| 16:04.40 | Tarek | Hi I wanted to know how to add a user to a grout |
| 16:04.42 | Tarek | group |
| 16:04.49 | Jemt | 13" screen is prefered, and no more than 2 kg. in weight. I don't require a whole lot of performance - reliability is much more important. I want quality, not quantity :) |
| 16:04.56 | DarkUranium | abrotman: Okay, I have to do it again to confirm it, but I think I have to be a su to do it (but there's no error reported if I'm not...) |
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| 16:04.58 | peterS | Tarek: adduser username groupname |
| 16:05.05 | peterS | Tarek: then have the user log out and back in |
| 16:05.34 | Tarek | do i have to be that user or can i just be simply be root |
| 16:05.36 | Tarek | ?? |
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| 16:06.39 | peterS | Tarek: only root can run 'adduser' so you have to be root for that part |
| 16:06.51 | Jemt | Why are the EPI always mentioned as a problem with Mac computers running Linux? I have no problem running Debian on my Mac Mini. I created a CD with Grub, and uses that to boot the computer. I can't see how it should stop 3D accelleration from working either, as stated on the Debian Wiki. Input ? |
| 16:06.57 | peterS | Tarek: if a user could run 'adduser myself whatevergroup' then groups wouldn't have a lot of security associated with them |
| 16:06.58 | gooddddd | can u explain please ? peters about ip |
| 16:07.07 | peterS | gooddddd: after you log in, run the command: ip a |
| 16:07.14 | peterS | gooddddd: if it says command not found, run: ifconfig |
| 16:07.16 | Jemt | EPI = EFI |
| 16:07.38 | callahad | Hi, #gnupg is pretty quiet at the moment, would anyone mind taking a moment to privately verify my understanding of GnuPG and some best practices? |
| 16:07.38 | abrotman | DarkUranium: wtf. . don't do that |
| 16:07.58 | peterS | Jemt: EFI is a bios standard that replaces the ancient PC BIOS, so you need a boot loader that works with it. it was invented in the Itanium days but Apple has adopted it since then. |
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| 16:08.14 | DarkUranium | abrotman: well, what can I do? That's the only way to make any changes to the memory stick |
| 16:08.16 | gooddddd | ip working |
| 16:08.18 | gooddddd | but lets say |
| 16:08.25 | Tarek | and how can i list up all the available users that are available in the system?? |
| 16:08.25 | abrotman | DarkUranium: you have to unmount it before you remove it |
| 16:08.28 | DarkUranium | abrotman: and by su, I mean the login in terminal, not actual root login at login screen |
| 16:08.32 | abrotman | Tarek: getent |
| 16:08.39 | gooddddd | i can take the ip 255.255.255.45 so i do ip 255.255.255.45 |
| 16:08.40 | gooddddd | ? |
| 16:08.40 | chellomere | Jemt, dell's 13-inch ones. be wary of the 8400m gs in the m1330 (tho they did a free on-site replacement within days for me, so I can greatly recommend that support) |
| 16:08.41 | DarkUranium | abrotman: Yes, I'm aware of that |
| 16:08.44 | Jemt | peterS: I see. But how does it affect the video accelleration ? |
| 16:08.47 | gooddddd | and then i will can connect from this ip? |
| 16:08.48 | peterS | Tarek: 'getent passwd' - but note there are a bunch of system users you have to ignore - the ones below uid 1000, generally |
| 16:09.08 | Jemt | chellomere: Sweet, I'll check it out. Appriciate the tip :) |
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| 16:09.57 | peterS | Jemt: I'm not sure. but video cards often have to initialize themselves using BIOS extensions, so you can actually see something on the screen before the OS boots. EFI has to be able to run your video bios extension. this may all be related. |
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| 16:10.36 | Jemt | peterS: Okay, thank you. It sure isn't easy finding a laptop that will run Linux for sure |
| 16:10.54 | chellomere | Jemt, the studio xps 13 is similar to the m1330, but is somewhat newer and has a graphics card that shouldn't have the same problem (you may have heard of the failing nvidia cards), except that I'm not familiar with it, but take a look at it |
| 16:10.56 | ranix | Jemt: I find the best features of Linux are utilized more effectively on a desktop anyway |
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| 16:11.00 | peterS | Jemt: also, some X drivers actually try to call the video bios extension to re-initialize the card (especially if the card was not inited in the first place because it's a second or third head) - so that mechanism needs to work correctly with an EFI bios, too |
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| 16:11.23 | Linux-IRC | What's the command to add a user to a group named audio? |
| 16:11.30 | peterS | Linux-IRC: adduser username audio |
| 16:11.35 | peterS | and have the user log out and back in |
| 16:11.36 | Jemt | chellomere: yes, I've heard about it. Glad you mentioned it |
| 16:11.45 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 16:11.46 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 16:11.52 | ranix | peterS: have you been playing some 'typing of the dead' lately or what |
| 16:11.58 | ranix | you are flying over that qwerty |
| 16:12.05 | chellomere | Jemt, of course, if you opt for the gma 3100 in the m1330 that point is moot |
| 16:12.15 | peterS | I always type fast, especially on easy questions like 'how do I add a user to a group' (: |
| 16:12.17 | Jemt | ranix: Yes, me too. I have never expirenced any problems on desktop hardware - well, at least not after I switched to Debian 4. Redhat 5.2 was a pain though :) |
| 16:12.30 | Linux-IRC | peterS: adduser creates user account.Doesn't it? |
| 16:12.32 | peterS | easy in the sense that we get that question a lot so the answer is pretty familiar |
| 16:12.40 | peterS | Linux-IRC: not if you give a second argument, then it adds a user to a group |
| 16:12.55 | ranix | Linux-IRC: man adduser is very useful |
| 16:12.59 | nsadmin | Linux-IRC: this info is already written somewhere... |
| 16:13.11 | ranix | ns bs! |
| 16:13.21 | gooddddd | i can take the ip 255.255.255.45 so i do ip 255.255.255.45 |
| 16:13.25 | gooddddd | and then i will can connect from this ip? |
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| 16:13.43 | Linux-IRC | peterS: Thank you. |
| 16:13.59 | Jemt | peterS: Okay. That made me a little nerveus. But I tested the MacBookPro with a Ubuntu Live CD, and it booted fine into Gnome. I know Ubuntu is not Debian, but if it works on Ubuntu, it will be fixable on Debian too |
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| 16:14.14 | nsadmin | gooddddd: your IP is assigned from your isp |
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| 16:14.24 | gooddddd | i know |
| 16:14.25 | peterS | gooddddd: if you're trying to _change_ the IP, edit /etc/network/interfaces, then run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:14.26 | gooddddd | but im hoster |
| 16:14.39 | gooddddd | i have hosting compan |
| 16:14.39 | gooddddd | y |
| 16:14.41 | ranix | tilts his head sideways |
| 16:14.42 | gooddddd | and i can take ips |
| 16:14.45 | gooddddd | i do it from windows |
| 16:14.47 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: Which info? |
| 16:14.48 | gooddddd | dunno in debian |
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| 16:14.59 | peterS | gooddddd: to add an IP temporarily, try: ip a add a.b.c.d/24 dev eth0 |
| 16:15.07 | peterS | where a.b.c.d/24 is your IP and netmask |
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| 16:15.12 | peterS | this doesn't remove the old IP, just adds a new one |
| 16:15.21 | gooddddd | k |
| 16:15.31 | peterS | and eth0 is whatever vmware and linux together come up with for an interface name |
| 16:15.33 | gooddddd | what does the /24 means? |
| 16:15.42 | peterS | gooddddd: if you're a hoster, you should know what /24 means |
| 16:15.49 | ranix | you run a hosting company and you're not familiar with netmasks, bro? |
| 16:15.49 | gooddddd | .. |
| 16:15.53 | peterS | it is common internet address terminology |
| 16:16.01 | peterS | it means a 24-bit netmask |
| 16:16.02 | gooddddd | im not into the wireless alot |
| 16:16.10 | gooddddd | more into the servers |
| 16:16.17 | ranix | heh |
| 16:16.18 | nsadmin | you need Rusty's Remarkably Unreliable Guides! |
| 16:16.23 | peterS | seriously dude, ask your real network administrator what /24 means |
| 16:16.44 | peterS | and what number you should put in in your case |
| 16:17.21 | dutchfish | mumbles something about ipcalc |
| 16:17.32 | peterS | phaw, ipcalc is for non-network-admins |
| 16:17.32 | jelly | gooddddd: it just another way to write the netmask |
| 16:17.44 | jelly | ipcalc is for wussies. |
| 16:18.48 | Linux-IRC | peterS: adduser <user> groupname is it similar to gpasswd -a <user> groupname? |
| 16:18.49 | nsadmin | gooddddd is a nonnetworkadmin... perfect match :) |
| 16:19.11 | nsadmin | Linux-IRC: man gpasswd and see |
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| 16:20.15 | peterS | Linux-IRC: probably similar, I haven't used gpasswd |
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| 16:20.35 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: Looks similar. |
| 16:20.40 | abrotman | it has a man page |
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| 16:22.01 | nsadmin | it doesn't enumerate the command forms |
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| 16:22.23 | Dryanta | hey one liner in bash to delete every file with whitespace in a directory? |
| 16:22.40 | nsadmin | Dryanta: man bash |
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| 16:22.49 | Dryanta | nsadmin: dick move brotato |
| 16:22.50 | elenril | man find =p |
| 16:22.52 | fredl | well that wasn't even so difficult. Not very intuitive I think but once you know what you're looking for it's ok |
| 16:23.08 | Dryanta | i know i can scour the manpage for an hour |
| 16:23.19 | Dryanta | or i can ask a shell ninja who will know it off the top of their head |
| 16:23.22 | fredl | got a bunch of logical volumes configured on a software raid 1 and installing. |
| 16:23.23 | nsadmin | Dryanta: so can anyone else |
| 16:23.34 | Dryanta | nsadmin: u a dick brotato |
| 16:23.55 | fredl | Dryanta - reading = learning. |
| 16:24.13 | fredl | Dryanta - calling somebody names = unlearning |
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| 16:24.21 | peterS | I'd start with rm *[\ ]* |
| 16:24.26 | Dryanta | telling people to rtfm for a one liner is a dick move |
| 16:24.36 | Dryanta | so im not calling names, im being factually and topically relevant |
| 16:24.38 | peterS | that doesn't get tabs or newlines note |
| 16:24.47 | Dryanta | peterS: thank you kind sir |
| 16:24.54 | peterS | of course I'd start with echo rm *[\ ]* |
| 16:24.55 | Dryanta | see, not too hard was it |
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| 16:25.08 | Dryanta | thank you sincerely appreciate it |
| 16:25.32 | abrotman | Dryanta: stop being mean to people |
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| 16:25.43 | abrotman | or that. Have a nice day! |
| 16:26.01 | themill | Dryanta: we're been around this block a number of times. |
| 16:26.32 | fredl | it's nice to hear those two disk whirring while the install goes over my raid 1 :) |
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| 16:27.23 | ranix | fredl: gj bro |
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| 16:27.55 | fredl | I'm just hoping I can get fglrx to work on lenny. |
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| 16:28.36 | fredl | because the first time I installed lenny X threw off my monitor. |
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| 16:29.49 | nsadmin | Dryanta the fact is you won't be able to do anything involving more than one line until you can do one line... you planning on asking someone for every line of a script? |
| 16:29.56 | fredl | BTW, does anybody else sometimes get the impression that squeeze is more and more like Sid lately? |
| 16:29.57 | larsl | Where can I find information about when a particular kernel package will be released on the unstable mirrors, or how far along it is in the process? |
| 16:30.33 | fredl | squeeze has been having some rather irritating stability issues lately. |
| 16:30.37 | abrotman | nsadmin: move on please |
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| 16:30.52 | larsl | fredl: Yeah, I've seen more bugs than usual. Nothing really bad though. |
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| 16:31.26 | fredl | no nothing really serious but I had some that were pretty annoying to have to wait for |
| 16:31.41 | fnordper1ect | hi! is it possible to configure pam/sudo to show asterisks or something instead of nothing at the password prompt? |
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| 16:32.21 | fredl | yay! booting from logical volume. |
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| 16:32.32 | larsl | In particular, where can I find information about when an official Linux 2.6.31 package will be available, if it will at all? |
| 16:32.52 | lindylex | I am building a new kernel but I am receiving the follwoing error "[fs] error 2" how can I resolve this? |
| 16:33.05 | peterS | fredl: glad you figured out the raid1 thing from the installer. as you say it isn't that intuitive unless you know what you're looking for, i.e., how raid configuration actually works under the hood |
| 16:33.32 | peterS | fnordper1ect: don't think so unless you want to reimplement pam_unix or something |
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| 16:33.52 | peterS | errr, actually the prompt might be in sudo, I can't recall |
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| 16:34.53 | fredl | .... X doesn't properly work again like the last time |
| 16:35.01 | racecar56 | has anyone gotten success using the nvidia 173 repo drivers on squeeze? |
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| 16:35.10 | Linux-IRC | What's the minimum ram required for debian lenny installation? |
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| 16:35.27 | racecar56 | Linux-IRC: i have a 512mb ram comp and it's fine |
| 16:35.33 | fredl | ... but fglrx compiles now. Good! |
| 16:35.33 | racecar56 | Linux-IRC: it works pretty well |
| 16:35.50 | peterS | Linux-IRC: I dunno, ancient linux kernels were fine with about 4 MB, but modern kernels, I probably wouldn't try much less than 32 MB |
| 16:35.58 | nsadmin | Linux-IRC: how much ram do you have? |
| 16:36.14 | eshat | I have 400 MP3's with correct ID3 Tags and want to organizie them in Folders /Artist/Album or similar, is there an app ? |
| 16:36.43 | peterS | eshat: there are a bunch of things like that, try 'apt-cache search mp3 id3 tag' |
| 16:36.50 | hark | Linux-IRC: /msg dpkg mmhr |
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| 16:37.16 | racecar56 | //msg dpkg mmhr |
| 16:37.19 | racecar56 | DOH |
| 16:37.33 | peterS | eshat: well more correctly there are a lot of apps that handle id3 tags in some way, I think some of them can move files around, I don't know offhand which |
| 16:37.39 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: 485-490 MB is showed. |
| 16:37.57 | nsadmin | Linux-IRC: you should be fine |
| 16:38.11 | fredl | YAY! accelerated X running in 64 bit, awesome. |
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| 16:38.32 | racecar56 | has anyone gotten success using the nvidia drivers in the squeeze repos? |
| 16:38.35 | fredl | is tickled |
| 16:38.38 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: It's not mine.My relatives machines ram.He wants to install linux. |
| 16:38.53 | hark | racecar56: it's incompatible with X |
| 16:39.18 | nsadmin | Linux-IRC: s/you/your relatives/ |
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| 16:39.18 | hark | racecar56: that's why you won't be able to install it |
| 16:39.23 | nsadmin | so how much ram do they have? |
| 16:39.25 | racecar56 | hark: that's odd |
| 16:39.33 | fnordper1ect | peterS: well, I remember seeing once an configuration variable somewhere in pam.d/* which pointed in that direction, when when I tried it, it didn't do anything. would it be worth checking the sources whether it is a compile-time option or something? |
| 16:39.55 | racecar56 | hark: am i better off using the installer from the website? |
| 16:39.59 | peterS | fnordper1ect: more I think about it, the more I think it's specific to each app (sudo, login, etc) rather than in the pam libraries |
| 16:40.01 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: "(10:39:16 PM) nsadmin: Linux-IRC: s/you/your relatives/" What do you mean? |
| 16:40.06 | hark | racecar56: aptitude why-not nvidia-glx |
| 16:40.21 | racecar56 | hark: i see |
| 16:40.43 | nsadmin | Linux-IRC: substitute for "you", "your relatives" |
| 16:40.50 | hark | racecar56: no, i think the one in sid can be used |
| 16:41.12 | racecar56 | hark: just get the driver from sid and put it on squeeze? |
| 16:41.20 | nsadmin | Linux-IRC: so how much ram do they have? |
| 16:41.39 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: Nice shortcut. |
| 16:41.49 | hark | racecar56: yes, that's what i would do |
| 16:41.54 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: I have 1GB ram. |
| 16:41.56 | racecar56 | hark: ok |
| 16:42.17 | nsadmin | Linux-IRC: so how much ram do THEY have? |
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| 16:42.45 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: I have already mentioned 480-490MB. |
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| 16:43.54 | egoleo | hello |
| 16:44.04 | nsadmin | Linux-IRC: so some windows tool shows about 490 mb on the machine your relatives want to install to? |
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| 16:44.22 | chellomere | I just observed top showing a process taking 9999% one second, and 995% the next one :D (and yeah, I'm not on a multicore monster, this is a regular c2d) |
| 16:44.35 | chellomere | *the next second |
| 16:44.44 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: Yes. |
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| 16:45.06 | Selveste1 | .xen |
| 16:45.12 | nsadmin | then ramwise your relatives should be fine |
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| 16:45.42 | peterS | I suspect 490 MB is plenty unless you run KDE, a coworker of mine said his machine ran too slow when his bios somehow only recognized 3 GB of his 4 GB |
| 16:45.52 | peterS | it surprised me, but hey, he runs KDE and I don't |
| 16:46.09 | racecar56 | my old comp with 512mb ram with kde works fine |
| 16:46.12 | dutchfish | peterS, untrue |
| 16:46.14 | racecar56 | kde3, that is |
| 16:46.27 | peterS | he also runs the nvidia non-free driver, maybe that makes a difference |
| 16:46.42 | justin | also depends if you are trying to run firefox or not :) |
| 16:46.51 | racecar56 | i think kde4 crashed on that machine but i think it's because of a glitch in kubuntu (that was before i used debian) |
| 16:46.58 | peterS | oh yeah, speaking of which, he also uses the non-free flash plugin |
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| 16:49.04 | simonrvn | that plugin and the nvidia would tend to bloat things esp. if you don't quit the browser after a while, keep playing games on it all day (haven't done the latter, but i did notice x bloatage with playing 1 game, i imagine it gets worse) |
| 16:49.46 | simonrvn | but the latter is true no matter what |
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| 16:51.05 | hark | surely 3GB should be enough :) |
| 16:51.35 | simonrvn | i would imagine so :). i run 512 MB here |
| 16:51.35 | hark | dutchfish: saw the link? |
| 16:51.52 | ranix | 640kb is enough for anybody |
| 16:52.04 | dutchfish | hark, nope? |
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| 16:52.19 | hark | iceweasel is the biggest memory hog here |
| 16:52.30 | dutchfish | yep |
| 16:52.33 | ranix | iceweasel is the biggest memory hog ever |
| 16:52.39 | hark | dutchfish: http://bugs.debian.org/544607 (the alsactl init thing) |
| 16:52.40 | ranix | but look at what it's doing |
| 16:52.54 | ranix | this web 2.0 bullshit carries a lot of overhead |
| 16:53.07 | dutchfish | hark, thanks! |
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| 16:53.25 | hark | i've put the profile in a ramdisk, helps a lot |
| 16:53.25 | djahandarie | Does xorg no longer support nvidia-glx anymore or something? I even got the sid packages and there was still a conflict with xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video-2 (which is provided by nvidia-glx) |
| 16:53.53 | egoleo | i am having this weired issue with my network. is there a way to start netowrk on boot? |
| 16:53.59 | simonrvn | ranix: it does |
| 16:54.04 | hark | djahandarie: shouldn't be a conflict in sid |
| 16:54.25 | egoleo | i am using lenny |
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| 16:55.47 | hark | djahandarie: the 185.18.36-2 drivers don't provide xserver-xorg-video-2, and shouldn't conflict then |
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| 16:56.45 | djahandarie | hark, ah yeah, nevermind, I didn't have non-free and contrib for my unstable apt source |
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| 16:57.31 | racecar56 | restarting xorg brb |
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| 16:58.20 | DexterF | hi |
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| 16:58.35 | hark | has 114 tabs open :) |
| 16:59.10 | DexterF | replaced a broken board in a lenny box, got a Tyan Tomcat S2925, nv 3400 chipset. won't see any sATA disks. out of ideas. |
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| 16:59.53 | simonrvn | hark: having a lot of tabs open bloats the browser.. any browser |
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| 17:01.41 | hark | simonrvn: yeah, a bad habit.. it's just taking about 400M here which is quite good considering |
| 17:01.45 | abrotman | hark: when you hit that many .. do they start to stack (like the old VB6 apps) ? |
| 17:01.56 | dutchfish | DexterF, it might be that udev rules are in our way, when hardware is changed, i dont know how to solve this one spcifically, but i have seen it too .... mmmm |
| 17:01.56 | abrotman | or is there a plugin for that ? |
| 17:02.07 | simonrvn | abrotman: extension |
| 17:02.09 | racecar56 | i built the nvidia module but i'm in worse shape than using the open-source nv driver, :P |
| 17:02.14 | simonrvn | abrotman: extension does it |
| 17:02.20 | racecar56 | 3D does not work at *all* |
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| 17:02.39 | racecar56 | nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-185.18.36 |
| 17:02.50 | dutchfish | DexterF, are those seen in lspci -v? |
| 17:03.15 | djahandarie | Yeah, racecar56, I'm having that same problem |
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| 17:03.29 | dutchfish | DexterF, i mean the sata controller |
| 17:04.11 | racecar56 | maybe i should use the installer from their site -_- |
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| 17:04.29 | simonrvn | wishes his webcam worked.. it *used* to work in linux 'it's one of those gspca jobs' |
| 17:04.29 | hark | abrotman: i've been using tab mix plus, and i have them set up as multirow with 2 rows visible. the width is reduced as well to about a little more than the favicon width |
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| 17:04.39 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 17:04.49 | DexterF | dutchfish: not at all. |
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| 17:05.04 | racecar56 | :| i'll use the installer |
| 17:05.08 | racecar56 | :\ |
| 17:05.11 | racecar56 | i guess |
| 17:05.11 | hark | djahandarie: racecar56: you have to build the kernel source using m-a. |
| 17:05.14 | dutchfish | DexterF, has your board both sata and softraid? |
| 17:05.22 | racecar56 | hark: problem: it breaks all the time |
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| 17:05.40 | DexterF | I googled around and found someone complaining about weak sata perf on that board so I guess it should work at least to the degree that it's usable... |
| 17:05.49 | racecar56 | hark: :\ it broke |
| 17:05.53 | racecar56 | hark: it's still broke |
| 17:06.08 | DexterF | dutchfish: didn't quite get your question |
| 17:06.38 | dutchfish | DexterF, some board have a bios where one can choose for sata only or sata/softraid |
| 17:06.49 | dcorking | hark: according to a cute cartoon the Google Chromium people made, tabs take up memory even after you close them ... |
| 17:06.51 | racecar56 | i guess i should use the installer? |
| 17:06.51 | dutchfish | DexterF, does your boards bios have that option? |
| 17:06.54 | DexterF | dutchfish: mmh, I disabled raid |
| 17:07.00 | hark | racecar56: how? pastebin the error you're getting |
| 17:07.06 | djahandarie | hark, that's what I'm trying, but it just errors out |
| 17:07.10 | DexterF | because I want to keep my linux softraid |
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| 17:07.22 | dutchfish | DexterF, then you have to specifically enable sata and possible options |
| 17:07.26 | racecar56 | hark: ok... |
| 17:07.27 | dcorking | ... but afaict that is mostly fixed by firefox 3.5 (and reputedly chromium) |
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| 17:07.41 | DexterF | dutchfish: hm.. ill look around in the bios |
| 17:07.47 | simonrvn | mostly fixed, not totally |
| 17:08.01 | dutchfish | DexterF, 2nd look at the DMA channel settings also |
| 17:08.14 | dutchfish | DexterF, dont overlap in DMA nor IRQ |
| 17:08.17 | dcorking | still - if I leave firefox on all day - even with no tabs - I can end up losing all my vm :) |
| 17:08.28 | racecar56 | hark: now it's stuck at 0% but that's not what was happening |
| 17:08.28 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:08.30 | hark | djahandarie: install the nvidia-kernel-source deb from sid, and use m-a. is this what you are doing? |
| 17:08.37 | djahandarie | hark, indeed |
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| 17:08.43 | racecar56 | hark: nvm i got the error |
| 17:08.52 | djahandarie | hark, m-a update; m-a install nvidia-kernel-source; |
| 17:09.01 | xurupita | i have no internet access... |
| 17:09.09 | djahandarie | hark, and it tells me there has been an error and to check the buildlog, which is nonexistant |
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| 17:09.45 | djahandarie | darius@lambda:~$ sudo cat /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-source.avail_version |
| 17:09.46 | djahandarie | 185.18.36- |
| 17:09.57 | racecar56 | hark: oh, nvm i fixed it :P |
| 17:10.04 | djahandarie | Err, with a 2 at the end of that. |
| 17:10.05 | racecar56 | hark: i just had to m-a clean nvidia |
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| 17:10.10 | racecar56 | hark: :D |
| 17:10.18 | racecar56 | hark: restarting X to see what happens |
| 17:10.42 | DexterF | dutchfish: DUH. disabled the sATA ports by accident. my bad :P thanks for the pointer. cross your fingers for me, ill try and assemble the array now... |
| 17:10.46 | DexterF | is afraid |
| 17:10.54 | hark | racecar56: yeah, someone else also had to do the same earlier. thought that it was fixed by now |
| 17:11.06 | djahandarie | hark, does it try to build on top of the sid kernel or something? Because I'm on .26 from testing |
| 17:11.16 | dutchfish | DexterF, no you didnt, the bios did when you disbaled softraid, rem that for the next time ;) |
| 17:11.18 | djahandarie | Just trying to port the sid nvidia-glx / nvidia-kernel-source over |
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| 17:11.49 | djahandarie | racecar56, work? :) |
| 17:11.54 | racecar56 | i get the good ol' X couldn't start |
| 17:12.09 | racecar56 | nvidia module does not exist it said |
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| 17:12.11 | racecar56 | O_o |
| 17:12.32 | racecar56 | the nvidia -kernel- module exists, but the xorg module? hmm |
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| 17:12.45 | djahandarie | racecar56, did you get nvidia-glx? |
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| 17:12.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hello homies |
| 17:12.59 | DexterF | dutchfish: actually, the bios option was a bit odd: it has: SATA: disabled | sata0 | sata 0/1 | sata 0/1/2. but *5* ports. so I thought you can conf the first three to act as legacy IDE and set that to disabled |
| 17:13.08 | dutchfish | nods |
| 17:13.18 | hark | !lart racecar56 |
| 17:13.19 | dpkg | squishes racecar56 like a bug |
| 17:13.25 | racecar56 | djahandarie: no, but i got it now |
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| 17:13.34 | racecar56 | hark: brb restarting X again |
| 17:13.50 | djahandarie | Either way, I can't even get the kernel-source to compile. :/ |
| 17:13.59 | dutchfish | DexterF, double check this time ;) |
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| 17:14.12 | hark | djahandarie: the kernel might be an issue. check the release notes or something |
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| 17:14.28 | racecar56 | wait, what the heck, brb again |
| 17:15.10 | fredl | Eek. My network devices on my new box just disappeared. |
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| 17:15.24 | racecar56 | yay it work |
| 17:15.26 | racecar56 | s/work/works |
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| 17:15.35 | racecar56 | 3D does too |
| 17:15.39 | eshat | Can't amarok 2.1 read covers from id3 tag ? |
| 17:15.41 | fredl | that's bizarre... |
| 17:15.56 | fredl | maybe Xen ate them. |
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| 17:16.18 | racecar56 | so... why are the 173 repo drivers incompatible with X? because they are? |
| 17:16.46 | DexterF | dutchfish: ok, it sees the system but when the md messages scrolled by it was too fast, I only saw that mounting the XFS fs failed altogehter. I can't get a console, X failed and on F2-F6 I don't get a prompt |
| 17:16.57 | DexterF | and tty1 is occupied with other boot messages |
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| 17:17.56 | linXea | Hi, Im about to compile a new kernel... Which should I go for, the default 2.6.26 or a newer ? I still need ati-catalyst to work so 2.6.31 (which I have right now isn't the best choice).. |
| 17:17.56 | DexterF | can I activate tty2-6 somehow? secret key or such? |
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| 17:18.28 | xurupita | i have no internet access... someone can help me? |
| 17:18.29 | racecar56 | DexterF: press enter, maybe? |
| 17:18.33 | DexterF | linXea: why do you wanna recompile in the first place? |
| 17:18.43 | DexterF | racecar56: tried, didn't work |
| 17:18.47 | racecar56 | DexterF: k |
| 17:18.51 | linXea | Slim it down.. a lot of things I dont need |
| 17:19.10 | linXea | ... and ext4 support |
| 17:19.30 | dutchfish | DexterF, it could be that menu.list (grub) is not pointing to the right boot places |
| 17:19.36 | racecar56 | how do i make X restart with ctrl+alt+backspace because it doesn't work |
| 17:19.52 | DexterF | linXea: if its not in the system the module wont be loaded. not worth the trouble imo. |
| 17:19.55 | dutchfish | DexterF, alt-2 or alt-F2 dont nknow fir sure |
| 17:20.18 | hark | racecar56: it's disabled by default |
| 17:20.27 | DexterF | dutchfish: oh, the md is only data, OS is on an old IDE disk |
| 17:20.35 | linXea | DexterF: True but I also need some wi-fi drivers .. =/ |
| 17:20.38 | dutchfish | DexterF, there you go |
| 17:20.44 | gum2tux | after root logon in CLI, i run command nautilus --browser then i delete file with nautilus, but then how do i get into the Trash to permanently delete those files deleted by root user ? |
| 17:21.01 | hark | racecar56: search for dontzap in man xorg.conf |
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| 17:22.05 | DexterF | dutchfish: that's the problem: all the terminals on alt F2-6 are dead, no prompt, only a blinking cursor |
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| 17:22.23 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 17:22.24 | dutchfish | DexterF, so you are not even in busybox |
| 17:22.30 | dutchfish | DexterF, ? |
| 17:22.56 | dutchfish | DexterF, you can reboot, and look to edit your grub |
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| 17:23.08 | DexterF | dutchfish: no, the system avtually booted. YAY! md0 assembled! whatever it complained about the array is there |
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| 17:23.23 | dutchfish | DexterF, ah, ok |
| 17:23.26 | DexterF | breathes again |
| 17:23.35 | DexterF | now for dmesg... |
| 17:23.56 | DexterF | that "tty not there" thing is a security measure iirc but I don't know where this is configured |
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| 17:25.02 | dutchfish | DexterF, you do make regular backups, yes? |
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| 17:26.38 | gasull | Hi. I'm following this directions for configuring bluetooth dial up: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothDialup . I can't find passkey-agent in my Debian Lenny and I can't find a similar page specific for Debian. Does anybody know how to proceed to configure bluetooth dial up? Thank you in advance. |
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| 17:28.30 | djahandarie | hark, I needed to get off of .26 onto .30, then I could compile the sid kernel module and xorg module |
| 17:28.34 | djahandarie | And success |
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| 17:28.57 | racecar56 | still, xorg restarting doesn't work |
| 17:29.15 | racecar56 | i tried putting Option "DontZap" "no" everywhere i could |
| 17:29.17 | djahandarie | racecar56, I got mine working. :D |
| 17:29.40 | racecar56 | djahandarie: where did you put that option |
| 17:29.53 | racecar56 | djahandarie: in your xorg.conf |
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| 17:30.05 | djahandarie | racecar56, I got the .30 kernel, rebooted into it, then m-a installed the nvidia-kernel-source, then I got aptitude install nvidia-glx |
| 17:30.18 | djahandarie | I didn't touch my xorg.conf besides switching nv back to nvidia |
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| 17:30.28 | moyix | anyone know of a way to get gcc-3.4 in sid nowadays? I need it to compile an older version of qemu |
| 17:30.30 | racecar56 | djahandarie: oh nvm then |
| 17:31.20 | djahandarie | Although, my computer makes a terrible high pitch buzzing noise when I run glxgears |
| 17:31.21 | dcorking | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:31.25 | djahandarie | Frame rate is ~3000fps though |
| 17:31.29 | racecar56 | djahandarie: welcome to the club |
| 17:31.33 | racecar56 | djahandarie: mine does too |
| 17:31.46 | djahandarie | racecar56, what gfx card? |
| 17:31.51 | racecar56 | djahandarie: you got a pc or laptop that does that? this is a laptop |
| 17:31.59 | racecar56 | djahandarie: nvidia geforce go 7600 |
| 17:32.02 | djahandarie | racecar56, pc |
| 17:32.08 | racecar56 | djahandarie: laptop is about 2 years old |
| 17:32.32 | racecar56 | djahandarie: but it's so messed up, it even has a missing o key (it's just a button now) |
| 17:32.47 | racecar56 | djahandarie: it looks about 5 years old :P except for the design |
| 17:34.05 | racecar56 | djahandarie: another pc around here also does that high buzzing noise except it's quite loud and it's a pny geforce 8600gt |
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| 17:34.31 | racecar56 | djahandarie: it's the pc itself that does that, when i tried the pny geforce in my comp, it didn't make a sound |
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| 17:35.15 | racecar56 | djahandarie: ah, just tried glgears on here and it barely makes a sound O_o |
| 17:35.24 | racecar56 | djahandarie: s/glgears/glxgears |
| 17:36.02 | abrotman | !tell dcorking about away |
| 17:36.23 | DexterF | can't get working: onboard video: XGI Volari Z7 |
| 17:36.23 | djahandarie | !tell abrotman about the meaning of life |
| 17:36.41 | djahandarie | Drats, it was worth a shot |
| 17:36.42 | DexterF | and gigabit eth: NV MCP55 rev a3. pointers? |
| 17:36.56 | racecar56 | !tell nobody about nothing |
| 17:37.03 | ranix | !tell djahandarie about meaning of life |
| 17:37.22 | djahandarie | ... there would actually be a trigger for that |
| 17:37.23 | djahandarie | lol |
| 17:37.27 | racecar56 | "methinks nothing is the most important thing ever." |
| 17:37.45 | racecar56 | !tell something about something |
| 17:37.56 | ranix | !dpwtb |
| 17:37.56 | dpkg | it has been said that dpwtb is please, Don't Play With The Bot |
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| 17:38.02 | racecar56 | ok i'm going to stop now |
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| 17:38.43 | racecar56 | brb i added myself to audio group |
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| 17:40.57 | racecar56 | :\ audio still doesnt work, my audio card is 8086:27d8 |
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| 17:42.03 | racecar56 | and yes, snd-hda-intel is probed |
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| 17:42.49 | justin | racecar56: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:43.19 | racecar56 | 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xde300000 irq 22 |
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| 17:43.32 | racecar56 | justin: that's response to you |
| 17:43.54 | justin | racecar56: great, your card is working. |
| 17:43.54 | rox | hello |
| 17:44.25 | racecar56 | justin: aplay -l lists it too |
| 17:44.33 | gasull | Hi. I'm trying to compile passkey-agent but I get this error http://dpaste.com/95217/ and dbus-1.pc doesn't exist. What should I do? Thanks |
| 17:44.39 | justin | racecar56: fix your volume |
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| 17:44.53 | racecar56 | justin: even on full blast, no |
| 17:45.02 | racecar56 | justin: don't hear a thing |
| 17:45.14 | justin | gasull: install the dbus devel packages |
| 17:45.37 | ranix | you simply don't have the dbus-1 lib |
| 17:46.07 | ranix | might want to run ./configure if this is an autoconf/automake package |
| 17:46.18 | racecar56 | justin: so, my problem is not solved :\ |
| 17:46.28 | racecar56 | justin: i know the volume isn't muted |
| 17:46.37 | ranix | also why are running make as superuser |
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| 17:46.43 | ranix | bad news, gasull |
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| 17:46.58 | gasull | ranix: there's no ./configure |
| 17:47.01 | racecar56 | make install, yes run it as super user, but make, no |
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| 17:47.53 | negge | has anyone used smartctl? |
| 17:48.18 | gasull | justin: there are too many dbus packages. Do you mean libdbus-1-dev? |
| 17:48.18 | negge | I am not able to get any info out of a USB drive at all, is there any special tricks that need to be used for those? Internal SATA disks work just fine |
| 17:48.38 | fredl | Hmm what does it mean when my two onboard network interfaces no longer show up in lspci... |
| 17:48.50 | fredl | does not have a great feeling about this. |
| 17:49.13 | justin | gasull: do you see any other dbus development packages? |
| 17:49.19 | racecar56 | does it mean it's time to get a new network card? not fun if it's a laptop |
| 17:49.45 | justin | negge: I don't think smart works over USB |
| 17:49.53 | gasull | justin: several of them, like libdbus-glib-1-dev |
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| 17:50.09 | justin | gasull: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:50.19 | negge | justin: so it seems, I just found some info about it on their homepage. |
| 17:50.39 | maddash_ | hi -- I have an american keyboard layout, is there an efficient way that I could type out romanian diacritics? |
| 17:50.45 | negge | seems like USB drives only support the minimum amount of ATA commands needed to work as a disk drive, SMART commands are considered "extras" |
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| 17:51.43 | negge | justin: I take that back, I got it to work |
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| 17:53.46 | justin | negge: oh? you must be lucky, i've never gotten mine to work |
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| 17:55.32 | negge | justin: it worked with "smartctl -d sat -a -T verypermissive /dev/sdx" |
| 17:55.45 | negge | the "-d sat" part tells smartctl to translate SCSI commands to ATA |
| 17:55.46 | arcsky | anyone know what the problem can be that smbd takes ages to start |
| 17:55.47 | negge | or something like that |
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| 17:58.34 | ajavid | good afternoon, TGIF! |
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| 17:59.15 | ajavid | 7.5 is has a bit better performance on EXA accelmethod on radeon than 7.4 on stable |
| 17:59.35 | ajavid | has anyone tried 7.5 xorg on stable yet? |
| 17:59.58 | ajavid | just percieved performance improvement in my part or what? |
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| 18:02.53 | b^j | I am looking for an equivalent to the freebsd tool portaudit for debian. I need to compare determine if there are security issues with the packages currently installed on a system. I am not looking to actually update the systems, just see what may not be up to date. Does anyone know of a good way to do this other then seeing what apt-get says will be updated on an apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:03.37 | ajavid | b^j, what sort of security issue are you expecting? |
| 18:03.53 | beardy | b^j: Why can't you install security upgrades? |
| 18:03.53 | b^j | ajavid, just out of date packages |
| 18:04.04 | b^j | beardy, i don't admin the box, i just audit it |
| 18:04.13 | asg | b^j: if you are running a stable system with the security sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade will tell you |
| 18:04.36 | simonrvn | apt-listchanges apt-listbugs help |
| 18:04.36 | ajavid | you may also want to use apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs |
| 18:04.41 | asg | b^j: if you want to be emailed when updates are available, install cron-apt |
| 18:04.44 | justin | b^j: you can also try installing harden-servers and see if that wants to remove anything |
| 18:05.02 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 18:05.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
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| 18:06.01 | gasull | Now I need /usr/bin/bluez-pin, but can't find it anywhere. I installed a package containing /usr/share/bluez-pin/bluez-pin-gpe.glade, that is a XML file. Do I need to compile anything? |
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| 18:06.58 | hark | b^j: there's debsecan |
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| 18:08.23 | simonrvn | oh yes, forgot about debsecan... have it installed |
| 18:08.35 | b^j | hark, that is exactly hat i am looking for, thanks |
| 18:08.49 | simonrvn | very handy.. you can set it (debconf) to auto-scan installed stuff |
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| 18:09.20 | coldboot | Is there a convenient way to find out which repo a package came from? |
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| 18:09.40 | chellomere | coldboot, you cannot know that, you can only guess. |
| 18:09.57 | simonrvn | apt-cache policy |
| 18:09.59 | hark | coldboot: you can't say for sure, but you can determine the current state |
| 18:10.14 | coldboot | hark: So you can tell where it would come from now, if you were to install it? |
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| 18:10.32 | coldboot | okay got it, policy |
| 18:10.39 | abrotman | !tell coldboot about which repo |
| 18:11.05 | coldboot | thanks |
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| 18:12.11 | Dominicus | What is a good reference for the partitioning amounts for a installing linux? |
| 18:13.04 | justin | Dominicus: what sort of system are setting up? |
| 18:13.04 | dkr | the install manual |
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| 18:13.46 | Dominicus | justin: i dunno. just one that works, and that wouldn't have much fuss to it afterwards. I'm going with lvm, but I'd like to not have to resize multiple partitions down the road. |
| 18:13.57 | justin | Dominicus: don't make multiple partitions then |
| 18:14.19 | Dominicus | uh? Isn't that fundamentally a bad thing? |
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| 18:14.50 | justin | making 10 tiny partitions that are 10x more likely to fill up is equally a bad thing |
| 18:15.13 | b^j | Dominicus, it depends, on a desktop is probably fine, server i would make sure there is minimally a separate var and tmp minimally |
| 18:15.27 | b^j | ls |
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| 18:15.58 | egoleo | how to i add my network to the boot scripts |
| 18:16.18 | dutchfish | !interfaces |
| 18:16.18 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 18:16.37 | Dominicus | justin: Only if they're setup too small, thus the reason I ask for the good partition size references. But, I try to use my systems as more than just desktop boxes, and I want a job doing something with linux, so it's worthwhlie for the practice. |
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| 18:17.40 | egoleo | my netowrk doesnt start on boot |
| 18:18.01 | egoleo | i always have to run /etc/init.d/networking start |
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| 18:19.22 | Niklas- | Hey. Is it possible to make apt-get install supress question dialogs and just install with default settings? |
| 18:19.37 | Niklas- | or is there a way to get a list of questions asked, and pre-configure them? |
| 18:19.49 | dutchfish | egoleo, see in /etc/rcx.d/networking where x is the runlevel |
| 18:19.57 | justin | Niklas-: yes and yes. |
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| 18:20.30 | Niklas- | justin: got a link or something that can push me in the right direction? i've been reading apt-get man page and googled around without finding anything near |
| 18:20.51 | justin | Niklas-: for the first one you want to change your debconf priority |
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| 18:21.14 | justin | Niklas-: for the second you want to just use the debconf seeding stuff |
| 18:21.43 | fredl_ | Hmm, how bizarre was that... my EX58-UD5 motherboard had all of the sudden *completely* lost it's NIC's |
| 18:21.57 | egoleo | dutchfish: there is no file called network there |
| 18:21.59 | fredl_ | I upgraded the BIOS, hoping that would fix it... |
| 18:22.05 | Niklas- | ok thanks justin |
| 18:22.14 | dutchfish | egoleo, thats why it does not start on boot |
| 18:22.24 | egoleo | hmm |
| 18:22.28 | fredl_ | de nada. Then I unplugged the powercord for a few minutes and *poof* they're back again. |
| 18:22.29 | dutchfish | egoleo, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html#_network_interface_initialization |
| 18:22.43 | fredl_ | this is rather unnerving.... |
| 18:22.50 | egoleo | ok checking it up |
| 18:22.51 | DexterF | how do I figure the maintainer of a package? |
| 18:22.56 | egoleo | thnx |
| 18:23.00 | chellomere | DexterF, apt-cache show pkgname |
| 18:23.05 | greycat_ | apt-cache show pkgname |
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| 18:23.09 | DexterF | thaks |
| 18:23.15 | chellomere | DexterF, Maintainer: |
| 18:23.23 | dutchfish | egoleo, normally you have /etc/rc0.d/S35networking |
| 18:23.40 | egoleo | ok |
| 18:24.20 | dutchfish | egoleo, this is mines on squeeze http://pastebin.com/f40bb6e43 |
| 18:24.54 | dutchfish | egoleo, its whats installed per default |
| 18:24.56 | fredl_ | a bunch of the things advertised on the motherboard also don't quite live up to what they're supposed to do, like, it says on the box that you can 'team' the NIC's to become one 2G network adapter. |
| 18:25.13 | ajavid | fredl_, which mobo? |
| 18:25.14 | justin | fredl_: that is marketing bullshit most likely |
| 18:25.22 | ajavid | fredl_, my GA board features that, and I can do it... |
| 18:25.23 | justin | fredl_: on linux you would just use bonding |
| 18:25.27 | fredl_ | ajavid, Gigabyte EX58-UD5 |
| 18:25.30 | ajavid | fredl_, I have 2x gb eth, I can link together |
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| 18:25.38 | ajavid | its a GA board man, of course it can do it. |
| 18:25.40 | ajavid | GA = ftw. |
| 18:25.40 | fredl_ | justin, exactly, that's what I was thinking too. |
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| 18:25.51 | fredl_ | ftw? |
| 18:25.57 | ajavid | for the worth/for the win |
| 18:26.32 | fredl_ | Hmmm. I thought they make pretty decent motherboards. Have I been suckered in by all the OC rant reviews? |
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| 18:26.55 | ajavid | I wouldn't know, I've been using GA for hmm... since college in oklahoma... lets... |
| 18:26.58 | ajavid | 5 years |
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| 18:27.04 | egoleo | ok check ing it up |
| 18:27.07 | dutchfish | egoleo, i beleive its installed with and configured (at the top of my head) with the netbase package |
| 18:27.22 | ajavid | fredl_, you have a pretty good board |
| 18:27.29 | ajavid | fredl_, much better than my UD3 |
| 18:27.38 | fredl_ | anyway, the so called 'teaming' they advertise with is done inside Windows. |
| 18:28.10 | simonrvn | !ftw |
| 18:28.10 | dpkg | breaks into the front and goes FOR THE WIN |
| 18:28.14 | fredl_ | bollocks. Not that I care so much about it since this box will be a firewall anyway and I need the two interfaces.... |
| 18:28.14 | egoleo | oh ok |
| 18:28.18 | egoleo | i am using lenny |
| 18:28.21 | egoleo | i hope no changes |
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| 18:28.35 | egoleo | and i have added this to my network script ifup --allow=hotplug eth0 |
| 18:28.44 | egoleo | i added this ifup --allow=hotplug eth0 |
| 18:28.44 | fredl_ | but that it *lost* it's interfaces for a while there really scared me. |
| 18:28.50 | Selveste1 | Hey, I'm running Debian lenny XEN hyper 3.2.1 kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 the problem is that I have to NIC from same vendor and same batch, when I add one of them everything works, but when both is passed to the domU my domU is creasing, my domU is also a Debian Lenny - I can see in the XEN console that the domU change dom0's lspci id to the same value, (0:03:5 to 0:00.0) and (0:03.6 to... |
| 18:28.51 | Selveste1 | ...0:00.0) way is this, and can I force some other values ? I have set pciback.hide in my menu.lst and I have some other cards passed to the same domU so I know that PCI passing is working |
| 18:29.10 | ajavid | fredl_, bollocks? |
| 18:29.16 | NoCode_ | hrm. Either empathy is broken now, or Windows live protocol was changed to not work somehow. |
| 18:29.17 | dutchfish | egoleo, for that; man interfaces |
| 18:29.27 | ajavid | fredl_, bad blocks ? |
| 18:29.29 | egoleo | i added ifup --allow=hotplug eth0 |
| 18:29.33 | fredl_ | ajavid, just some british slang I picked up somewhat. |
| 18:29.37 | ajavid | fredl_, oh |
| 18:29.39 | egoleo | which i got from the man pages |
| 18:29.42 | ajavid | fredl_, what does it mean? |
| 18:29.44 | egoleo | so hope that works |
| 18:29.55 | fredl_ | uhh it's slang for testicles. |
| 18:30.00 | ajavid | ... |
| 18:30.06 | ajavid | you know... we say 'bullshit' |
| 18:30.15 | jelly-one | bollocks! |
| 18:30.16 | ajavid | we don't say 'testicles' that is just retarded :) |
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| 18:30.19 | fredl_ | The word is often used figuratively in British English, as a noun to mean "nonsense", |
| 18:30.24 | ajavid | oh |
| 18:30.29 | abrotman | anyways ... |
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| 18:30.41 | ajavid | oh, so its not really balls related, more like bullshit related. moving on |
| 18:30.45 | fredl_ | I like to say bollocks when I'm irritated :) |
| 18:30.46 | jelly-one | bollocks bollocks bollocks |
| 18:30.55 | asg | pants |
| 18:31.02 | freeone3000 | Hello. I am attempting to install the Debian NetInstall CD on a Virtual PC drive. However, when Debian attempts to decompress the kernel, it "powers off" the machine. Is this a debian issue, or a vpc issue? |
| 18:31.20 | ajavid | fredl_, on microsoft windows... vpc sucks balls |
| 18:31.24 | fredl_ | think I picked that up when I still listened to such bands as the Sex Pistols. |
| 18:31.25 | ajavid | fredl_, please use virtualbox if anything |
| 18:31.51 | simonrvn | fredl_: that's bollocks |
| 18:31.51 | ajavid | fredl_, we can't support virtualpc, however, debian works just on almost all hardwares and virtualmachines |
| 18:32.18 | dutchfish | egoleo, should be something like this http://pastebin.com/f31c29d78 but that depends on what you want |
| 18:32.19 | fredl_ | whats vpc?? |
| 18:32.21 | ajavid | fredl_, you must have a problem with your software, and afaik, MS VPC does NOT support linux officially |
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| 18:32.29 | ajavid | er.. wrong guy |
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| 18:32.35 | fredl_ | I'm not using vpc :P |
| 18:32.36 | ajavid | freeone3000, I meant you |
| 18:32.43 | freeone3000 | Okay, installing another virtual machine for another virtual OS it is. Thanks. |
| 18:32.44 | ajavid | fredl_, misfire, fr<tab> |
| 18:32.50 | fredl_ | 5474 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1094.800 FPS |
| 18:32.52 | abrotman | freeone3000: virtualPC is full of fail |
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| 18:32.58 | Roin | Hello |
| 18:33.02 | fredl_ | that's not bad at all :) |
| 18:33.03 | abrotman | last i saw, it emulated an s3 video card |
| 18:33.05 | ajavid | freeone3000, trust me, VPC is utter garbage |
| 18:33.11 | ajavid | abrotman, hahaha |
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| 18:33.25 | ajavid | you know when connectix owned it, it was actually a decent product |
| 18:33.32 | ajavid | it was my first virtualization product |
| 18:33.52 | freeone3000 | It does, indeed, emulate an S3. Tight integration with Vista through XP Mode, which is why it's installed. |
| 18:34.02 | fredl_ | I've been reading some stuff about parallels.... |
| 18:34.12 | fredl_ | pretty pricey solution. |
| 18:34.21 | fredl_ | anybody have experience with it by chance? |
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| 18:34.45 | freeone3000 | I've ran it on a Mac platform with WinXP as the guest. |
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| 18:34.52 | Selveste1 | fredl_ what do you have to use it fore ? |
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| 18:35.23 | fredl_ | freeone3000, so does it do all that it promises? |
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| 18:35.43 | egoleo | u mean for the start up scripts? |
| 18:35.46 | egoleo | or what? |
| 18:35.54 | fredl_ | Selveste1, well I've been wanting to set up a server on which I can also run Windows 7 or something with it's accelerated 3D drivers. |
| 18:36.09 | freeone3000 | It does, indeed, allow you to run guest applications from the host OS. However, it must be running in the background and steals file associations. |
| 18:36.13 | fredl_ | parallels says it does just that.... |
| 18:36.36 | dutchfish | egoleo, the last paste was for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:36.36 | fredl_ | but you have to buy a kickass expensive machine with it. |
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| 18:36.58 | egoleo | yes |
| 18:37.00 | freeone3000 | Programs work fine, if slowly. However, we did not get accelerated graphics drivers. In addition, it took five to ten minutes to start up, and there were several times it froze or crashed. |
| 18:37.02 | dutchfish | egoleo, please reread what i have said |
| 18:37.02 | egoleo | i have that already |
| 18:37.06 | ajavid | fredl_, what u got? |
| 18:37.11 | egoleo | but now is how to add to the bootup |
| 18:37.15 | ajavid | fredl_, actually I don't even know what parallels is |
| 18:37.19 | freeone3000 | All in all, I'd stick with bootcamp. |
| 18:37.19 | fredl_ | freeone3000, yikes. |
| 18:37.26 | Selveste1 | fredl_ KVM dos have support for 3d and virtualbox have some support to, VMware is good, if you have the money for it, as I recall parallels is for Mac users only :S |
| 18:37.31 | ajavid | freeone3000, you're on windows |
| 18:37.32 | dutchfish | egoleo, i beleive its installed with and configured (at the top of my head) with the netbase package |
| 18:37.37 | ajavid | FUCK vpc, vbox, vmware |
| 18:37.40 | freeone3000 | ajavid: This computer is windows, yes. |
| 18:37.40 | ajavid | lets fuck em all |
| 18:37.42 | ajavid | !colinux |
| 18:37.42 | dpkg | Cooperative Linux (aka coLinux) is software for running Linux on Microsoft Windows. It is a port of the Linux kernel, allowing cooperative execution with another operating system on a single machine. http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ http://www.colinux.org/ #colinux on irc://irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:37.45 | fredl_ | aha... |
| 18:37.47 | ajavid | seriously. |
| 18:37.55 | fredl_ | Mac users only, duh :/ |
| 18:37.59 | freeone3000 | I'm virtualizing because I do *not* want concurrent execution. |
| 18:37.59 | ajavid | no no |
| 18:38.08 | ajavid | word... |
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| 18:38.27 | fredl_ | Selveste1, I heard VMWare Fusion will do VT-d and then some. |
| 18:38.38 | freeone3000 | The idea is that the guest OS is a nice little pretty playground where users can go and mess crap up without it affecting the host. Desired here. |
| 18:38.40 | fredl_ | KVM is still in experimental stage.... |
| 18:38.55 | ajavid | fredl_, mhmm... thats what colinux is |
| 18:39.05 | fredl_ | I haven's checked into virtualbox yet. |
| 18:39.15 | ajavid | fredl_, you create a simple file on your windows driver, and that file holds the entire linux OS |
| 18:39.22 | ajavid | mounted loopback |
| 18:39.34 | ajavid | windows disk( |
| 18:39.41 | ajavid | freeone3000, ^ |
| 18:39.47 | fredl_ | ajavid - hmmm... |
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| 18:40.00 | fredl_ | ajavid, but that means I'd be running windows all the time :P |
| 18:40.03 | ajavid | freeone3000, your host system will be protected unless you share stuff |
| 18:40.16 | ajavid | share it r/w |
| 18:40.33 | ajavid | get to the choppa! |
| 18:40.34 | Selveste1 | fredl_: I think that VMware only provide us with a workstation software if you wants virtualzation on a server you have to bay there VMserver |
| 18:40.43 | ajavid | chop chop |
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| 18:41.09 | DexterF | who calls the entries in rc2.d? |
| 18:41.21 | fredl_ | I also heard from some people who got VT-d to work on Xen devel. |
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| 18:42.36 | fredl_ | however, apparently getting VGA passthrough to work on Xen requires some sort of reading the VGA BIOS and writing it back again |
| 18:43.04 | Selveste1 | VT-d works just fine on stable XEN debian stuff - I have a client server that runs VT-d with Windows Server 2008 |
| 18:43.09 | fredl_ | and it doesn't seem to work yet on pretty much most VGA cards. |
| 18:43.27 | dutchfish | DexterF, wild gues; sysv-rc |
| 18:43.35 | fredl_ | well I should say VT-d VGA passthrough. |
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| 18:44.11 | freeone3000 | VirtualBox works like a charm. |
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| 18:44.12 | DexterF | dutchfish: ok, another way: at boot time all the rc2.d scripts are called with "start", I guess? |
| 18:44.13 | freeone3000 | Thanks. |
| 18:44.19 | arezey | any opengl app i start up bombs out with x11 error "BadRequest", i have ati drivers installed but x11 is not using them. what might be causing this? |
| 18:44.21 | fredl_ | VT-d USB / Network passthrough seems to work alright because no code from the boars itself needs to be executed. |
| 18:44.33 | dutchfish | DexterF, no, depends, read the fine manuals |
| 18:44.39 | ajavid | arezey, ati as in fglrx? |
| 18:44.43 | arezey | ya |
| 18:44.44 | ajavid | arezey, or ati/radeon ? |
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| 18:44.49 | fredl_ | Selveste1, you using VT-d passthrough on USB/network? |
| 18:44.54 | ajavid | arezey, how did you install them? |
| 18:45.02 | DexterF | dutchfish: the manuals of *what*? |
| 18:45.03 | arezey | ehh.. i've got ati radeon hd 3200 as video card |
| 18:45.05 | xaashi | hi how do you use dpkg to get rid of packages that failed to install .. i have the following problem http://debian.pastebin.com/m7697e3c, but don't have the .deb package that failed anymore |
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| 18:45.22 | administ2ator | inetd is not started by default on this lenny system. How/where is it supposed to be started? |
| 18:45.29 | arezey | ajavid, and i installed the ati driver from the driver download at ati.com |
| 18:45.31 | greycat_ | DexterF: yes, each one is called with the single argument "start" |
| 18:45.37 | ajavid | ohgod |
| 18:45.41 | greycat_ | DexterF: that is... each one that begins with "S". |
| 18:45.44 | ajavid | stop with the punctuation right AFTER THE fucking uri |
| 18:45.45 | Selveste1 | The only way I can have a grafical interface on the windows server is through VNC |
| 18:45.50 | ajavid | quits clicking... |
| 18:45.55 | Ricoshady | the SVN client on my box is the most up to date via the package manager, but so old it can't access many of my repo that I also access with another windows client. How do I get the most recent version, can I not get it from the debian package manager? |
| 18:45.58 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, type inetd and press enter |
| 18:46.04 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, or also man inetd |
| 18:46.06 | DexterF | greycat_: ok, thanks. |
| 18:46.13 | arezey | ajavid, but the driver just fscks up my system and i used dexconf to clear it out - now opengl apps refuse to work |
| 18:46.15 | administ2ator | Titan8990_: I did. |
| 18:46.16 | administ2ator | Ok |
| 18:46.35 | fredl_ | administ2ator, you should have an /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd file |
| 18:46.41 | ajavid | arezey, horrible idea |
| 18:46.49 | arezey | kinda thought so |
| 18:46.52 | ajavid | arezey, #ati and ask for help |
| 18:46.56 | arezey | ah ok |
| 18:46.58 | ajavid | arezey, apart from that |
| 18:46.58 | administ2ator | fredl_: Tnx |
| 18:46.59 | ajavid | hang on |
| 18:47.00 | fredl_ | administ2ator, and a symlink to it in /etc/rc<runlevel>.d |
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| 18:47.01 | ajavid | arezey, hang on |
| 18:47.05 | arezey | mm? |
| 18:47.07 | dutchfish | DexterF, tip: man sysv-rc-conf |
| 18:47.14 | ajavid | arezey, just ask them to help you uninstall it completely |
| 18:47.18 | DexterF | thanks |
| 18:47.20 | ajavid | arezey, thats all, I don' tknow how otherwise I'd tell you |
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| 18:47.26 | arezey | ok thanks |
| 18:47.27 | ajavid | arezey, first comletely uninstall the ati driver |
| 18:47.38 | ajavid | arezey, then come here and we'll help you get fglrx setup the proper debian way |
| 18:47.42 | administ2ator | fredl_: I'm a slackware refugee so I'm a little lost on how runelvels work in Debian |
| 18:47.42 | arezey | alright |
| 18:47.47 | ajavid | arezey, then we just load it via xorg.conf and we'll be ok |
| 18:47.55 | Titan8990_ | administ2ator, for the most part xinetd has completely replaced inetd |
| 18:47.58 | arezey | okies |
| 18:48.05 | ajavid | arezey, I don't want to tell you to edit the xorg.conf and use this driver that you have |
| 18:48.09 | fredl_ | administ2ator, in /etc/inittab you will find your default runlevel. You can see which runlevel you're in by typing 'runlevel' |
| 18:48.10 | Selveste1 | administ2ator: just install rcconf :P |
| 18:48.16 | greycat_ | begs to differ with Titan8990_ |
| 18:48.22 | ajavid | arezey, I'd rather you uninsall it, get the debian packaged version and then continue on with that |
| 18:48.29 | arezey | hmm |
| 18:48.35 | arezey | debian's got its own version? |
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| 18:48.45 | ajavid | if you chose to use ati.com drivers you will not find ANY support here |
| 18:48.56 | ajavid | arezey, /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 18:49.02 | fredl_ | ajavid - the Debian version of the ATI drivers don't work for me in Lenny, JFYI |
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| 18:49.13 | abrotman | administ2ator: it only starts it if there is something in the config that would need it to start |
| 18:49.15 | ajavid | fredl_, which kernel version? what debian port? |
| 18:49.36 | ajavid | fredl_, I don't use and or support fglrx but I'll help him a bit |
| 18:49.44 | ajavid | is down with the radeon |
| 18:49.45 | administ2ator | abrotman: I see... (and you are refering to inetd I suppose). |
| 18:49.50 | Selveste1 | fredl_: I have the same problem on my Ubuntu 9.04 box, Nvidia works just fine, but ATI drivers is buggy |
| 18:49.55 | abrotman | administ2ator: /etc/inetd.conf .. yes |
| 18:49.58 | fredl_ | ajavid 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 18:50.05 | ajavid | amd64 |
| 18:50.07 | ajavid | :/ |
| 18:50.22 | fredl_ | well the ATI drivers work great. |
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| 18:50.41 | ajavid | judd versions fglrx-glx-ia32 |
| 18:50.43 | judd | ajavid: fglrx-glx-ia32 -- |
| 18:50.44 | fredl_ | weird thiing is, this morning I also tried an upgrade to squeeze and then the driver did work, but futtbucking slow. |
| 18:50.53 | arezey | ajavid, seems that it's out. |
| 18:50.54 | ajavid | hmm |
| 18:51.02 | ajavid | arezey, whats out? |
| 18:51.06 | arezey | the ati driver |
| 18:51.12 | arezey | out from the system |
| 18:51.13 | ajavid | you have unintalled it? |
| 18:51.13 | arezey | i.e. removed |
| 18:51.16 | ajavid | ok fantastic |
| 18:51.20 | fredl_ | zapped? |
| 18:51.21 | ajavid | arezey, /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 18:51.22 | fredl_ | purged? |
| 18:51.31 | arezey | maybe all of them |
| 18:51.33 | fredl_ | or just "it's dead Jim!" |
| 18:51.45 | ajavid | fredl_, please keep the noise level down |
| 18:51.51 | abrotman | !enter |
| 18:51.51 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 18:53.45 | fredl_ | I'm wondering if it's normal that md0_raid1 and md0_resync are so high in my top output... |
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| 18:54.14 | fredl_ | does that mean it's actually resynching my disks already? |
| 18:54.14 | arezey | ajavid, is dpkg's <fglrx one-liner> the way to go? |
| 18:54.18 | ajavid | yessir |
| 18:54.42 | ajavid | arezey, make sure to enable contrib non-free |
| 18:54.47 | arezey | okies |
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| 18:54.56 | ajavid | I haven't looked at the factoid so I don't know if it includes that bit |
| 18:54.58 | fredl_ | can I somehow see the md status or a log or something? |
| 18:55.07 | arezey | it says to enable non-free |
| 18:55.12 | ajavid | fantastic |
| 18:55.28 | Selveste1 | I'm running Debian lenny XEN hyper 3.2.1 kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 the problem is that I have to NIC from same vendor and same batch, when I add one of them everything works, but when both is passed to the domU my domU is creasing, my domU is also a Debian Lenny - I can see in the XEN console that the domU change dom0's lspci id to the same value, (0:03:5 to 0:00.0) and (0:03.6 to 0:00.0)... |
| 18:55.30 | Selveste1 | ...way is this, and can I force some other values ? I have set pciback.hide in my menu.lst and I have some other cards passed to the same domU so I know that PCI passing is working |
| 18:55.45 | greycat_ | fredl_: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 18:56.30 | fredl_ | greycat_, cool. it looks like it's actually doing a resynch! |
| 18:57.01 | ajavid | hmm kde on sid is broken, yay |
| 18:57.02 | fredl_ | greycat_, and I don't need to stop any LVM stuff for that |
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| 18:58.19 | simeon | when I install compiz do I need to add anything in the xorg.conf file? I remember that I needed to add some Extensions etc |
| 18:58.29 | ajavid | simeon, not anymore hopefully |
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| 18:58.42 | ajavid | simeon, we'll find out when you try to run compiz --replace in a console |
| 18:58.50 | ajavid | simeon, output is quite verbose |
| 18:58.54 | simeon | ajavid yeah it seems to be working fine without it |
| 18:59.44 | simeon | hmmm it says that xgl is not present??? |
| 19:00.02 | simeon | that must be the reason it's so slow isn't it? |
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| 19:00.12 | ajavid | no |
| 19:00.24 | ajavid | Xgl was an ugly hack and is long since dead, hopefully |
| 19:00.35 | ajavid | simeon, continue reading |
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| 19:01.02 | ajavid | simeon, it maybe slow because you might not have 3d |
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| 19:01.14 | ajavid | simeon, insall mesa-utils; glxinfo|grep renderer |
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| 19:02.28 | simeon | I'm getting 400 FPS - I used to get about 500+ but I'm running a lot of programs now |
| 19:03.02 | ajavid | simeon, could you kindly give me the information I asked for |
| 19:03.11 | ajavid | simeon, I need your opengl renderer string |
| 19:03.12 | fredl_ | I get close to 800/900, is that fast? |
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| 19:03.21 | abrotman | fast compared to what? |
| 19:03.25 | simeon | root:/home/simeon# glxinfo|grep renderer |
| 19:03.29 | simeon | OpenGL renderer string: ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 |
| 19:03.34 | OpenTokix | fredl_: how do you messure? |
| 19:03.36 | ajavid | you're good to go |
| 19:03.38 | fredl_ | uhm, compared to most. |
| 19:03.48 | fredl_ | fgl_glxgears |
| 19:03.50 | abrotman | most what? most ISA cards, sure :) |
| 19:04.01 | ajavid | well obviously |
| 19:04.03 | coldboot | What's the program that tells if you if one debian package number is greater than another? |
| 19:04.04 | OpenTokix | glxgears isnt a benchmark tool, they clearly state that in the man-file |
| 19:04.05 | fredl_ | compared to most modern graphics cards. |
| 19:04.16 | ajavid | fglrx maybe extremely shitty, but it DOES perform better than radeon |
| 19:04.25 | ajavid | at least right now |
| 19:04.36 | simeon | ajavid, so is it a fglrx drivers problem |
| 19:04.46 | ajavid | who knows, I have n idea what you have |
| 19:05.06 | ajavid | simeon, if you have fglrx you have the best performance ati drivers already |
| 19:05.21 | hark | coldboot: dpkg :) |
| 19:05.30 | ajavid | simeon, also your renderer string does not indiciate software rasterization or indirect glx |
| 19:05.47 | simeon | I mean it's always been a bit slow - at least I think it should run fast because I only use the negative effect for reading and I have coreDuo + 128MB Video :( |
| 19:06.05 | ajavid | its a precious waste of resources, and eats up your battery life on your laptop |
| 19:06.15 | ajavid | compiz == waste of time |
| 19:06.25 | coldboot | hark: yes, but there's a specific command or program that compares two version numbers. |
| 19:06.30 | simeon | ajavid, actually compiz --replace was giving " Trying again with indirect rendering:" |
| 19:06.35 | coldboot | hark: Ah got it. |
| 19:06.35 | arezey | one-liner exited :o |
| 19:06.37 | ajavid | simeon, it keeps your video card accelerated in 3D constantly |
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| 19:06.47 | ajavid | simeon, your shit never idles... |
| 19:07.00 | hark | coldboot: dpkg --compare-versions |
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| 19:07.02 | simeon | ajavid, indirect rendering is slow as far as I know |
| 19:07.07 | ajavid | simeon, at least it used to be |
| 19:07.16 | ajavid | simeon, exactly, and you don't have it |
| 19:07.25 | arezey | k' lets try this.. |
| 19:07.27 | ajavid | simeon, you have proper 3D accel |
| 19:07.34 | simeon | ok |
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| 19:07.47 | ajavid | if you are still paranoid |
| 19:07.54 | ajavid | ... you can try uhm... glxinfo|grep direct |
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| 19:08.21 | ajavid | it should tell you direct rendering... but that really doesn't matter, as you can still have direct rendering with software raster... meaning not good |
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| 19:08.29 | simeon | well it says I have it |
| 19:08.38 | ajavid | yeah, that bit doesn't really matter |
| 19:08.51 | ajavid | its the renderer string you want, it needs to not say software raster |
| 19:08.58 | fredl | damn, /proc/mdstat says: finish=237.2min |
| 19:09.08 | fredl | that's like bloody 4 hours! |
| 19:09.22 | fredl | I can scribble my disk full at that speed. |
| 19:09.24 | OpenTokix | fredl: how big disk? |
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| 19:09.29 | fredl | 1.5TB |
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| 19:09.36 | OpenTokix | fredl: yes, that is exactly what the md is doing |
| 19:09.41 | simeon | ajavid, it just says Yes |
| 19:09.44 | OpenTokix | fredl: Raid 1? |
| 19:09.49 | fredl | yes |
| 19:09.59 | fredl | speed=86557K/sec |
| 19:09.59 | ajavid | simeon, anyway, according to your output, you're solid. |
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| 19:10.04 | ajavid | golden! go with it. |
| 19:10.05 | OpenTokix | fredl: the md-system is doing a verbatim copy of the first disk to the second one |
| 19:10.08 | km | is there a firewall script/prog i can use to setup/config firwall? |
| 19:10.26 | fredl | OpenTokix, but why's it doing that? |
| 19:10.33 | simeon | ajavid, I'll minimise compiz usage but it's really neat when reading cause you can use the negative effect anyway thanks |
| 19:10.42 | greycat_ | that's what "sync" means. |
| 19:10.43 | asg | km: firehol is pretty popular |
| 19:10.50 | OpenTokix | fredl: raid1 is a copy of the data on two disks |
| 19:10.53 | km | thanks |
| 19:11.01 | OpenTokix | fredl: So it has to be 100% sure that disk1 and disk2 is identical |
| 19:11.12 | fredl | greycat_, well... okay... but how often is it going to do that? |
| 19:11.25 | fredl | since it seems to be gobbling up quite a bit of CPU as well. |
| 19:11.31 | greycat_ | only once, or whenever you replace a disk |
| 19:11.31 | technoid_ | km: I have seen lokkit listed, but I haven't used it |
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| 19:11.35 | OpenTokix | fredl: Depends on your disk subsystem |
| 19:11.49 | OpenTokix | fredl: but if its a normal pc with software-raid, it will sue some cpu, yes |
| 19:12.07 | OpenTokix | fredl: not alot on a moden system, it will however use quite alot of IOPS |
| 19:12.09 | fredl | aha. I thought it would do that initially (just installed this system) |
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| 19:12.25 | OpenTokix | fredl: IT asks you if you wanna do it in background or foreground |
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| 19:12.35 | arezey | yaaay - opengl works D= |
| 19:12.42 | km | what about pyroman? |
| 19:12.49 | simonrvn | fredl: just as longas you let t finish it should be ok |
| 19:12.51 | OpenTokix | fredl: you can use the system druing this process, you will see a small performance decrease during io-intense operations |
| 19:12.51 | greycat_ | I can't imagine ever doing an MD sync in the foreground. |
| 19:12.58 | fredl | I saw a message about it when rebooting and it automatically started synching in the background. |
| 19:13.04 | OpenTokix | greycat_: I did it once, by mistake |
| 19:13.08 | asg | km: take a look, if it suits your needs, feel free to use it. |
| 19:13.17 | OpenTokix | greycat_: in the middle of tnight, in a computer center... was.... loads of fun =) |
| 19:13.27 | fredl | OpenTokix, hehehe |
| 19:13.36 | km | ill try firehol first |
| 19:13.42 | simonrvn | must've been bored out of your mind |
| 19:13.52 | greycat_ | "small" performance decreases may not be so small, depending on the hardware, and what else you wanted to do at this time |
| 19:14.03 | OpenTokix | simonrvn: yes, thank god I had my laptop with me with new the office-episodes =) |
| 19:14.05 | fredl | you can't simply stop it when it's running in the foreground? |
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| 19:14.25 | OpenTokix | greycat_: yeah, I said so. But thinking it was a 1,5T disk, I assumed it was resonable new hardware |
| 19:14.41 | OpenTokix | fredl: I dont think it is running in forground, he checked /proc/mdstat |
| 19:15.01 | fredl | no it's running in the background so all's well. |
| 19:15.11 | km | firehol doesn't look like it easy to use at all. |
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| 19:16.43 | fredl | there's something about 'easy firewalls'... |
| 19:16.59 | km | it there a gui firewall program? |
| 19:17.04 | ajavid | arezey, how is everything |
| 19:17.12 | fredl | well you could try firestarter. |
| 19:17.15 | arezey | awsum |
| 19:17.22 | ajavid | arezey, how is 3d performance so far? |
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| 19:17.32 | arezey | 3d performance.. hmm.. |
| 19:17.32 | Titan8990_ | last i heard firestarter had not been maintained in a long time |
| 19:17.39 | ajavid | arezey, /me refuses to use fglrx after it killed perfectly good 2x 24" lcds |
| 19:17.41 | arezey | well i'd test it in slade but i need it compiled first :) |
| 19:17.50 | ajavid | FUCK flgrx. Fuck it up its stupid ass. |
| 19:18.00 | arezey | hmm. |
| 19:18.08 | fredl | hmm I used firestarter a long time ago before I just made my own shell script |
| 19:18.09 | ajavid | massive stuck pixels after 1 use of fglrx |
| 19:18.10 | segers_j | REEEEEallY |
| 19:18.28 | ajavid | you have no idea how mad I was. I could have killed someone. |
| 19:18.31 | technoid_ | km: http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
| 19:18.57 | ajavid | fredl, and trust me, I know what I'm doing. There weren't any funny modelines or any incorect settings |
| 19:19.06 | segers_j | is glad he's not near ajavid |
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| 19:19.21 | ajavid | segers_j, well, figure of speech, I wasn't really going to kill anyone |
| 19:19.22 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:19.29 | segers_j | :) |
| 19:19.32 | fredl | ajavid, I'm only saying I've never had a problem with it. |
| 19:19.35 | ajavid | well, other than fglrx programmers |
| 19:19.43 | ajavid | oh and check THIS out... |
| 19:19.48 | arezey | another reason why i should take those self-defence classes heh |
| 19:20.00 | et | it's somehow odd when software can kill hardware |
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| 19:20.25 | fredl | et - why's that odd? |
| 19:20.28 | ajavid | afterwards, both LCD monitors, reported as dead, no more EDID information could be read, AND they would both be on, working, but xrandr would report them as disconnected... |
| 19:20.40 | ajavid | tell me if THAT isn't fucked up... |
| 19:20.51 | ajavid | the monitors work just fine, but have stuck pixels on them now |
| 19:21.00 | fredl | that's pretty fucked up yeah and how long ago was this? |
| 19:21.05 | ajavid | just a few weeks |
| 19:21.14 | zinx | ajavid: that sounds like a bad video card |
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| 19:21.24 | ajavid | I just bought 2x 24" lcds, well 1 23 inch, and I gave it to my brother and I ordered the same one of the 24" |
| 19:21.26 | et | fredl: because by now, the hardware should have failsafe mechanisms to prevent this kind of things |
| 19:21.33 | ajavid | zinx, nope, the new monitors work perfectly |
| 19:21.34 | fredl | yeah it does, I've never hear of anything like that before. |
| 19:21.34 | abrotman | zinx: don't blame the hardware .. he'll start cursing again |
| 19:21.34 | zinx | ajavid: sending way-out-of-spec voltages or etc |
| 19:21.39 | ajavid | zinx, nope |
| 19:21.46 | zinx | abrotman: :x |
| 19:21.54 | zinx | just saying what it sounds like :/ |
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| 19:22.03 | zinx | you can use whatever drivers you want to use |
| 19:22.09 | ajavid | I stick to radeon |
| 19:22.11 | fredl | et - try writing a program that makes the disk heads go back and forth forever :) |
| 19:22.18 | ajavid | never again zinx, never again... |
| 19:22.28 | zinx | fredl: Microsoft already did. It's called Windows. |
| 19:22.36 | fredl | oh yeah |
| 19:22.41 | zinx | fredl: at least, the install process does that.. |
| 19:22.56 | fredl | maybe there's even a way to make the heads go back and forth in a resonance frequency. |
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| 19:23.13 | fredl | create resonance, kill the hardware. |
| 19:23.37 | fredl | that would make for a nice lil virus. |
| 19:24.08 | ajavid | I'm sure if you lost close to a grand (when i both both those lcds there were more than 400~ish $ each) you'd curse too :) |
| 19:24.12 | freeone3000 | You can access files by their inode, at least on some level. |
| 19:24.25 | freeone3000 | Choose a low number, choose a high number, repeat. |
| 19:24.41 | fredl | somebody already thought of it though: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7158335.html |
| 19:24.54 | jelly | ajavid: warranty? |
| 19:24.58 | ajavid | jelly, past warranty |
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| 19:25.18 | fredl | freeone3000, well if you want to create resonance you should know the distance the heads travel, which speeds and what's the eigen frequency. |
| 19:25.24 | simonrvn | and depending on the resonance, you could affect just about anything on the computer, or beside it ;p |
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| 19:25.35 | freeone3000 | I think ATA specifies the second... |
| 19:25.46 | scgtrp | how big is a debian base install with X? |
| 19:25.56 | abrotman | scgtrp: depends on your WM |
| 19:25.57 | greycat_ | You could make it play Britney Spears songs. |
| 19:25.59 | fredl | simonrvn, I don't think that resonating diskheads are going to bounce your computer off of your table. |
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| 19:26.04 | ajavid | hm |
| 19:26.12 | simonrvn | s,res...,frequency, |
| 19:26.16 | freeone3000 | scgtrp: Depends on how big your WM is. twm can keep it quite reasonable. |
| 19:26.23 | ajavid | some of you are starting to complain |
| 19:26.27 | ajavid | whats wrong" |
| 19:26.34 | simonrvn | fredl: no. not loud enough |
| 19:26.44 | ajavid | let man be! |
| 19:26.50 | ajavid | let him resonate! :) |
| 19:27.01 | simonrvn | fredl: i *was* being facetious ;). |
| 19:27.07 | fredl | I know :) |
| 19:27.12 | fredl | me too. |
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| 19:27.34 | simonrvn | :D |
| 19:27.45 | fredl | are disks still made with voicecoils these days? |
| 19:27.56 | fredl | or am I really obsolete now? |
| 19:28.08 | zinx | fredl: they are still made with voice coils |
| 19:28.22 | zinx | fredl: the conventional ones, anyway.. the SSDs obviously aren't |
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| 19:28.31 | fredl | wow. some things don't change quickly. |
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| 19:29.33 | simonrvn | voice coils? |
| 19:29.56 | fredl | voice coils yeah. like a tiny little speaker inside your disk |
| 19:30.11 | ajavid | fredl, ##hardware |
| 19:30.13 | ajavid | please |
| 19:30.17 | fredl | ok ok ok |
| 19:30.19 | simonrvn | FU U F POS MF THING |
| 19:30.25 | simonrvn | build failures... |
| 19:30.28 | simonrvn | sorry |
| 19:30.29 | ajavid | simonrvn, whoah! |
| 19:30.34 | jelly | ECHAN |
| 19:30.38 | scgtrp | freeone3000, how big would it be with twm? |
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| 19:31.06 | simonrvn | when you've seen it fail 10 times, you start getting frustrated... yeh, sorry for that ECHAN too |
| 19:31.32 | fredl | ECHAN? |
| 19:31.44 | fredl | what's that? |
| 19:31.45 | zinx | fredl: it means "go to #debian-offtopic" |
| 19:31.49 | fredl | oh |
| 19:31.57 | greycat_ | Shorthand slang for "I typed in the wrong channel". |
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| 19:32.00 | freeone3000 | scgtrp: I remember about 250MB, but I'd give a buffer zone beyond that. Also, I may have installed more crap than I needed. |
| 19:32.21 | greycat_ | It mimics Unix error codes like "EPERM" or "EACCES". |
| 19:32.36 | fredl | heh :) |
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| 19:33.23 | jelly | fredl: take a look at /usr/include/asm-generic/errno-base.h if you have linux-libc-dev installed |
| 19:34.06 | freeone3000 | Or my personal favorite, EERR |
| 19:34.09 | abrotman | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/basedefs/errno.h.html |
| 19:34.10 | scgtrp | freeone3000, ah, a bit too much for this purpose. thanks though |
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| 19:34.30 | freeone3000 | scgtrp: If it needs to be smaller, take a look at Dang Small Linux. |
| 19:34.31 | simonrvn | freeone3000: haha |
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| 19:35.11 | fredl | ENOTTY |
| 19:35.25 | freeone3000 | And now a more pressing question. I mixed up the purposes of enter and enter in the installer, how do I stop the install process from having to install GNOME? |
| 19:35.37 | simonrvn | been really really NOTTY :P |
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| 19:36.40 | scgtrp | freenose, enter does the same thing as enter :) |
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| 19:36.45 | scgtrp | freeone3000, ^^ |
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| 19:37.04 | obi_ | say hello ;] |
| 19:37.28 | jelly | heh |
| 19:37.31 | jelly | #define EDOTDOT 73 /* RFS specific error */ |
| 19:37.42 | freeone3000 | Yes. Okay. It presented me with a kernel-make-style so I thought it would be enter-select, space-doesn't-do-anything. I don't know why, because that's not at ALL what kernel-make works like. |
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| 19:39.41 | subsume | how to open all files under . in vim that have a particular pattern? |
| 19:39.52 | simonrvn | EFfin'BIG |
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| 19:40.02 | chellomere | subsume, in the filename? |
| 19:40.21 | subsume | chellomere: oh, no. sorry. in the file. |
| 19:40.27 | greycat_ | recursively? or just in the current directory? |
| 19:40.35 | subsume | recursively |
| 19:40.38 | greycat_ | oh, not filename-based? that's different enough anyway.... |
| 19:40.42 | chellomere | subsume, use a combination of grep, xargs, and vim -o, -O or -p |
| 19:40.50 | subsume | hrmpf. |
| 19:40.55 | subsume | thanks.. =) |
| 19:40.58 | subsume | i guess |
| 19:41.06 | greycat_ | Did you want one file per vim, or did you need them all to be opened in the same vim so you can :n between them? |
| 19:41.32 | subsume | :n |
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| 19:42.21 | greycat_ | So the worst possible case. Joy. |
| 19:42.32 | ajavid | so I like to use nano with multibuffer |
| 19:42.44 | ajavid | how about that then yeah? word. |
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| 19:43.01 | greycat_ | The only way to do that absolutely safely is to stuff the filenames into an array using a find -print0 and a bash loop, and then call vim "${files[@]}" using that array. |
| 19:43.27 | greycat_ | Anything else you do can potentially fail if the filenames contain spaces, newlines, etc. |
| 19:43.49 | subsume | What a headache. |
| 19:44.20 | greycat_ | Oh, and you had that grep requirement too. |
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| 19:44.27 | greycat_ | Well, you can throw that into the find. |
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| 19:44.53 | Douglas | hi there |
| 19:44.54 | Douglas | i was wondering |
| 19:45.04 | subsume | find . -type f -exec grep -l "core.par" {} \; | xargs vim |
| 19:45.07 | Douglas | is it possible to create a 'virtual' interface.. ie i want to create an interface on this box, say eth2, and run dhcpd on it |
| 19:45.07 | subsume | doesn't work. |
| 19:45.09 | subsume | but its close. |
| 19:45.14 | Douglas | so its only local |
| 19:45.15 | jelly | in zsh, if there were no funny filenames, one would be able to vim $(grep foo **/*(.)) |
| 19:45.18 | greycat_ | unset files i; find . -type f -exec grep "mything" {} \; -print0 | while read -r -d ''; do files[i++]=$REPLY; done; vim "${files[@]}" |
| 19:45.36 | greycat_ | oh, you want grep -q. sorry. |
| 19:45.38 | jelly | er, grep -l |
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| 19:45.54 | greycat_ | unset files i; find . -type f -exec grep -q "mything" {} \; -print0 | while read -r -d ''; do files[i++]=$REPLY; done; vim "${files[@]}" |
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| 19:46.06 | greycat_ | Oh, shit, that won't work either. Subshell. |
| 19:46.20 | jelly | eh, put some { } around while |
| 19:46.43 | greycat_ | unset files i; while read -r -d ''; do files[i++]=$REPLY; done < <(find . -type f -exec grep -q "mything" {} \; -print0); vim "${files[@]}" |
| 19:47.05 | jelly | | { while read ... do; ... done; vim } |
| 19:47.06 | subsume | I want to shake the hands of a human that can actually remember this crap off of the top of hi head |
| 19:47.08 | subsume | his |
| 19:47.14 | greycat_ | jelly's approach also works |
| 19:47.21 | greycat_ | needs a ; after vim though |
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| 19:47.35 | jelly | it doesn't nest well when used in scripts tho |
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| 19:47.59 | greycat_ | subsume: some of us in #bash know this stuff, but we normally just "!faq array > subsume" at people and make them read it themselves. |
| 19:48.05 | Douglas | is it possible to create a 'virtual' interface.. ie i want to create an interface on this box, say eth2, and run dhcpd on it.. i want to have a local dhcp for something |
| 19:48.13 | subsume | greycat_: yeah, naturally. |
| 19:48.52 | greycat_ | Douglas: "local" to what, exactly? |
| 19:49.01 | wildc4rd_ | evening all |
| 19:49.10 | Douglas | greycat_: i want to create a virutal interface, run dhcpd on it |
| 19:49.13 | Douglas | and bridge it to xne |
| 19:49.14 | Douglas | xen |
| 19:49.16 | greycat_ | You can define another numeric network (like 10.10.10.*) on your interface, and listen only on that. |
| 19:49.18 | Douglas | gonna try 'pxe booting' |
| 19:49.23 | Douglas | off virtual int |
| 19:49.37 | dustybin | if i gave a friend a friend a user account on my box, is there really no way for him to mess up my box? |
| 19:49.37 | justin | Douglas: dummy0,dummy1,dummy2 |
| 19:49.49 | Douglas | justin: que? |
| 19:49.52 | greycat_ | So you want something that listens on loopback only for requests coming from some hosted virtual machine? I know nothing about virtualization. |
| 19:49.58 | Douglas | oh whoa |
| 19:49.59 | jelly | dustybin: there's always a way |
| 19:49.59 | Douglas | dummy0 |
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| 19:55.24 | twiadpaws | hi |
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| 19:55.58 | twiadpaws | is it possible with cp to display how much has already been copied? |
| 19:56.22 | freeone3000 | cp -i, I believe. But in any event, yes. |
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| 19:56.43 | dondelelcaro | twiadpaws: no, but there are other commands which can |
| 19:57.01 | dondelelcaro | twiadpaws: for example, you can use rsync --progress or similar |
| 19:57.04 | freeone3000 | (And I'm wrong. I've been away from this too long...) |
| 19:57.45 | dondelelcaro | (normally for local copying, you don't care, because you just go on working on something else) |
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| 20:06.23 | dcorking | did my irc client send you guys an away message instead of just marking me away? |
| 20:06.39 | freeone3000 | No, but it did send a back message. |
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| 20:11.23 | tjado | hi |
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| 20:12.25 | ksnp | how can i check if my fs is ext3 or ext2 ? |
| 20:12.25 | tjado | has someone an idea how to run isc dhcpd localy for xen vm's only? iptables cant block it because of raw socket. |
| 20:12.27 | greycat_ | ksnp: "mount" |
| 20:12.44 | ksnp | ok |
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| 20:14.01 | ksnp | greycat_, i created a new ext3 on hdb1 using mkfs but still dont see in df -m |
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| 20:14.13 | ksnp | do i have manually edit the mtab or fstab to make it load while reboot ? |
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| 20:15.45 | tosmo | can i somehow search for packages which installed versions are *newer* than the currently available versions in the repository |
| 20:16.05 | flokuehn | ksnp: did you allready reboot your machine? |
| 20:16.13 | Shockcore | hi, i installed a new NIC called DGE-530T i guess the module is skge, but how can i make this to load at boot instead of the old 8139 module? |
| 20:16.16 | greycat_ | ksnp: well, you have to mount it. Usually you do that by editing /etc/fstab, mkdir /something, then mount /something |
| 20:16.32 | ksnp | i mounted manually but i want it every reboot |
| 20:16.44 | ksnp | flokuehn, i have not. |
| 20:16.46 | greycat_ | ksnp: man fstab |
| 20:16.51 | ksnp | ok |
| 20:16.57 | sphenxes | how can i completly uninstall a program in Debian? i have uninstalled bacula using synaptic package manager (complete uninstall). then i tried to install bacula once more. The re-installation hasn't produce the GUI (name, database,etc). My question how can i make complete uninstall? |
| 20:17.35 | Roin | su -c 'apt-get purge <package>' |
| 20:17.35 | Roin | ? |
| 20:17.42 | Woodi | --purge ? |
| 20:17.48 | sphenxes | Roin, thanks, i will give it a try |
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| 20:18.14 | ksnp | does purge remove all the config file etcalso ? |
| 20:18.30 | Roin | hm... I think it does, not sure though |
| 20:18.30 | Woodi | y |
| 20:18.35 | Douglas | is it possible to bind dhcpd to dummy0? |
| 20:18.41 | ksnp | ok |
| 20:18.57 | Roin | ksnp: yes it does, at least man apt-get tells me so |
| 20:20.11 | justin | Douglas: add dumm0 to your xen bridge |
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| 20:20.20 | Douglas | justin: do i need to do that first |
| 20:20.25 | justin | you need to do that. |
| 20:20.26 | Douglas | i just want to get dhcpd up and running ifrst |
| 20:20.26 | Douglas | first |
| 20:20.36 | tosmo | or, to put it another way, can aptitude show me those packages, which are installed but have no source anymore? (removed from sources.list) |
| 20:20.37 | Douglas | is that possible? or no |
| 20:20.42 | Douglas | and, justin: do you know how to do that ? |
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| 20:20.43 | Douglas | is new to it |
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| 20:24.13 | freeone3000 | On a new install of apache2, it doesn't seem to get the run user from /etc/apache2/envvars. |
| 20:24.26 | freeone3000 | Should I `source` the file, or is this a known problem? |
| 20:24.56 | Douglas | justin: http://pastie.org/622195 |
| 20:25.04 | freeone3000 | Sourcing it fixed it. |
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| 20:40.11 | karrotx | how do i correct this issue: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 20:40.41 | nsadmin | karrotx: what did you do to get that error? |
| 20:41.44 | abrotman | karrotx: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 20:41.44 | stew | karrotx: aptitude install debian-archive-keryring ; aptitude update |
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| 20:43.25 | synx | dangit... libGraphicsMagick.so: undefined reference to `xmlMalloc@LIBXML2_2.4.30' |
| 20:43.35 | karrotx | nsadmin: apt-get update |
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| 20:44.02 | synx | someone needs to recompile libgraphicsmagic3 against the current libxml 2.7.3 |
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| 20:44.13 | nsadmin | karrotx: oh ok, see above... aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 20:44.22 | nsadmin | and then aptitude update |
| 20:44.30 | karrotx | thanks |
| 20:44.50 | synx | libgraphicsmagick3 I mean |
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| 20:49.13 | freeone3000 | I'm trying to have filesharing with a debian guest. The host is an Intel Core 2 Duo running Windows 7. What guest modules do I need to install? I tried -686-bigmem but it failed. |
| 20:49.36 | freeone3000 | (Being "it failed", the kernel module does not autoprobe and even if I modprobe it myself, mount -t vboxsf fails with a "bad superblock" error message.) |
| 20:50.32 | nsadmin | freeone3000: what's your uname -r? guest? you're doing virtualization? |
| 20:50.52 | freeone3000 | nsadmin: Yes. |
| 20:51.13 | freeone3000 | Sorry if I didn't mention, vboxsf is for virtual folder sharing between a host and a guest on Virtual Box. |
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| 20:52.04 | nsadmin | ok, what's your uname -r? |
| 20:52.11 | nsadmin | on the guest |
| 20:52.20 | Shockcore | hi, i installed a new NIC called DGE-530T i guess the module is skge, but how can i make this to load at boot instead of the old 8139 module??? i mean do i have to compile a kernel manually. or can i still use the package i have called kernel-image... ? |
| 20:53.27 | bpun | Shockcore, maybe it's already loaded,type dmesg|grep eth |
| 20:53.32 | abrotman | Shockcore: what's your current kernel? uname -a |
| 20:53.32 | bpun | Shockcore, or ifconfig -a |
| 20:54.14 | freeone3000 | nsadmin: 2.6.25-2-686 |
| 20:54.54 | Shockcore | 2.6.31 |
| 20:54.55 | abrotman | i hope you mean 2.6.26 ? |
| 20:54.58 | abrotman | Shockcore: not you |
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| 20:55.02 | abrotman | Shockcore: did you compile that yourself ? |
| 20:55.03 | freeone3000 | Er. yes. Sorry. |
| 20:55.11 | freeone3000 | 2.6.26-2-686. |
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| 20:55.17 | Shockcore | abrotman i am using sqeze |
| 20:55.26 | Shockcore | squeze |
| 20:55.28 | Shockcore | or something |
| 20:55.29 | Shockcore | lol |
| 20:55.45 | nsadmin | freeone3000: so the module package will be named with that uname -r at the end |
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| 20:56.12 | abrotman | squeeze doesn't have a .31 kernel |
| 20:56.15 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 20:56.19 | judd | abrotman: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-7); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 20:56.30 | ogzy | i want to learn whether apt-cache search is using berkeley db or not. Any document or explanation will be nice |
| 20:56.30 | freeone3000 | nsadmin: Okay, that seems to be the one installed. |
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| 20:58.00 | Shockcore | 2.6.30 sorry |
| 20:58.02 | Shockcore | not 31 |
| 20:58.23 | freeone3000 | Failure gives me a message in dmesg reading sf_read_super_aux err=-22 |
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| 21:00.21 | nsadmin | freeone3000: so the module is there (chedk: lsmod) but you;re getting errors when you try to access? |
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| 21:01.03 | nsadmin | you need to find out what error -22 is |
| 21:01.12 | freeone3000 | Yes. I had to `modprobe vboxvfs` in order for it to load at all, since it didn't autoload. But that module is indeed showing up, and working (before, it would complain about an unrecognized filesystem vboxsf) |
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| 21:04.03 | nsadmin | if you want it to autoload you can add its name on a line by itself to /etc/modules |
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| 21:05.43 | quecosa | hola |
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| 21:05.59 | quecosa | buenas tardes o noche segun su ubiciacion |
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| 21:06.05 | nsadmin | freeone3000 also you need to find out what error -22 is |
| 21:06.23 | freeone3000 | Something in german. I'm reading the translation. |
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| 21:06.44 | adb | FATAL: Module vboxfs not found |
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| 21:07.01 | freeone3000 | "put on with something new works now". |
| 21:07.10 | adb | freeone3000, there is no such module in 2.6.26 .. |
| 21:07.15 | synx | well, one more time libgraphicsmagick3 needs to be recompiled in the main repositories, as it won't link with the current libxml2 on which it depends. |
| 21:07.20 | karrotx | can nfs not run behind a firewall? |
| 21:07.33 | freeone3000 | adb: vboxvfs is the module name. |
| 21:07.34 | nsadmin | adb: he says he installed some package to get it |
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| 21:07.49 | Shockcore | abrotman how can i load it at boot? |
| 21:07.52 | freeone3000 | adb: Came with virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-`uname -r` |
| 21:07.56 | Shockcore | instead of 8139 ? |
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| 21:08.05 | adb | FATAL: Module vboxvfs not found |
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| 21:08.43 | freeone3000 | Did you install the virtualbox guest virutalization modules for your system? |
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| 21:08.46 | nsadmin | FATAL: lay off the carbs or you'll be FATAL! |
| 21:09.08 | Roin | I g2g see ya all |
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| 21:10.09 | adb | freeone3000, ok , i see now , sorry |
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| 21:10.59 | nsadmin | freeone3000: could you give the original german for error -22? |
| 21:11.38 | freeone3000 | http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/virtualbox-kernel-proplem/ |
| 21:12.22 | Selveste1 | I'm running Debian lenny XEN hyper 3.2.1 kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 the problem is that I have to NIC from same vendor and same batch, when I add one of them everything works, but when both is passed to the domU my domU is creasing, my domU is also a Debian Lenny - I can see in the XEN console that the domU change dom0's lspci id to the same value, (0:03:5 to 0:00.0) and (0:03.6 to 0:00.0)... |
| 21:12.24 | Selveste1 | ...way is this, and can I force some other values ? I have set pciback.hide in my menu.lst and I have some other cards passed to the same domU so I know that PCI passing is working |
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| 21:17.25 | karrotx | nfs and iptables on debian, port 2049, 111 udp/tcp open; i still cannot connect to the nfs share |
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| 21:17.49 | karrotx | what port should i open? rpc is running locally on 4595 |
| 21:17.58 | PinkFreud | karrotx: make sure you're also allowing access to mountd |
| 21:18.12 | karrotx | rpc.mountd? |
| 21:18.14 | PinkFreud | karrotx: take a look at /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server |
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| 21:18.29 | PinkFreud | you'll likely need to have mountd listen on a static port |
| 21:18.49 | karrotx | ah |
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| 21:19.04 | karrotx | do i have to tell the mounting point that information? |
| 21:19.18 | Shockcore | bpun, it's not loaded |
| 21:19.21 | PinkFreud | no. the nfs client gets mountd's port via portmap |
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| 21:19.38 | PinkFreud | you only need the static port to deal with firewall rules |
| 21:19.59 | karrotx | any port recommendations? |
| 21:20.08 | PinkFreud | nope. pick one. |
| 21:20.26 | PinkFreud | it's usually on a high numbered port. |
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| 21:21.24 | adb | rpcinfo -p |
| 21:21.40 | PinkFreud | adb: to query rpc, yes :) |
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| 21:30.05 | little_owl | Hello, are *.deb packages signed like rpm? Is possible to verify, that the package were not compromised on a mirror? |
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| 21:31.32 | azeem | little_owl: the package lists are signed with the package fingerprints |
| 21:31.43 | azeem | some .debs are signed directly, but this is not generally used |
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| 21:32.42 | majkl578 | hi guys |
| 21:32.48 | majkl578 | i really need help with putty |
| 21:33.32 | majkl578 | it shows odd characters :/ |
| 21:33.45 | little_owl | Thanks. So how could I verify that everything is OK? Is there something like "rpm -V"? |
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| 21:34.38 | karrotx | i specified the mountd port in /etc/defaults/nfs-kernel-server but when i restart nfs-kernel-server nothing is listening on the port i specified |
| 21:34.44 | kamoricks | majkl578: What do you mean, odd? |
| 21:35.27 | little_owl | majkl578: I guess you need to set the proper character set ... |
| 21:36.18 | Shockcore | hi, i installed a new NIC called DGE-530T i guess the module is skge, i putted a line with only "skge" in /etc/modules and when i type lsmod i see it. but the nic still dosent work? do i have to do something like "alias eth0 skge" ? |
| 21:36.21 | majkl578 | well I am using cs_CZ.UTF-8 |
| 21:36.35 | majkl578 | I'm running debian both on my laptop and on server |
| 21:36.53 | majkl578 | both of them have cs_CZ.UTF-8 as its locale |
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| 21:37.07 | little_owl | majkl578: Na strane Putty? ;-) |
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| 21:37.38 | majkl578 | little_owl: taky utf //anglicke IRC a cesky rozhovor? :)) |
| 21:37.40 | Shockcore | it seems that lspci dosent show my thing |
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| 21:39.12 | nsadmin | can't find the vboxvfs error codes |
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| 21:46.24 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: what is it? wired? or wireless? |
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| 21:46.57 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: you put into a PCI slot? then lspci will see, so will dmesg |
| 21:47.25 | xeon-enouf | and most things from/msg dpkg what's my hardware |
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| 21:47.48 | xeon-enouf | lspci will see /it/ |
| 21:48.29 | Shockcore | lspci dosent see my card |
| 21:48.53 | xeon-enouf | majkl578: you realize you're already virtualized twice _before_ even firing up vbox? :-) |
| 21:49.11 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: then it's inserted improperly or bad |
| 21:49.47 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: i take it it's a PCI card though .. heh, not some USB/PCI-slot thingy? |
| 21:49.50 | Shockcore | even is no module loaded, it should be listed in lspci? |
| 21:50.01 | \amethyst | Shockcore: yes |
| 21:50.10 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: indeed |
| 21:50.56 | xeon-enouf | something - even (unknown) .. PCI is Plug-n-Play |
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| 21:51.19 | Shockcore | xeon-enouf http://www.dlink.ca/products/?pid=284 |
| 21:51.22 | Shockcore | thats the one |
| 21:51.27 | Shockcore | i got an old motherboard tough |
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| 21:51.30 | xeon-enouf | meaning all PCI devices have a unique VendorID/DeviceID |
| 21:51.44 | xeon-enouf | older? i us pIIs :-P |
| 21:51.51 | Shockcore | hehe |
| 21:51.59 | Shockcore | maybe pci can be disabled in bios |
| 21:52.00 | Shockcore | ? |
| 21:52.03 | Shockcore | this is kinda wierd |
| 21:52.07 | Shockcore | i tried two diff pci slot |
| 21:52.28 | xeon-enouf | i'm on a xeon dual cpu 1.7Ghz right now though - hence the nick ;-P |
| 21:52.37 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: well .. no |
| 21:52.38 | Shockcore | hehe |
| 21:52.49 | xeon-enouf | somethings can, but not the entire BUS |
| 21:53.25 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: what brand .. er Chipset is it? |
| 21:53.58 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: does dmesg see it? you sure it's PCI :-P |
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| 21:56.06 | Shockcore | dmesg dosent |
| 21:56.22 | pickcoder | Shockcore: you didn't plug it in with the power on did you |
| 21:56.28 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: tellme some specific about your PC and the NIC |
| 21:56.31 | Shockcore | rolf NO |
| 21:56.41 | pickcoder | ok... some people see PnP and poof |
| 21:56.44 | xeon-enouf | /specifics/ |
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| 21:56.57 | Shockcore | DGE-530T rev 2 |
| 21:57.00 | Shockcore | dunno chipset |
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| 21:57.02 | xeon-enouf | PnP !=hotplug :-) |
| 21:57.07 | pickcoder | could be a DOA or a conflict with IRQ that the board can't sort out |
| 21:57.22 | pickcoder | xeon-enouf: you and I know that |
| 21:57.35 | pickcoder | some people know just enough to be deadly to PC hardware |
| 21:57.38 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: c'mon .. how many PCI slots? which CPU? any AGP slot? |
| 21:57.46 | xeon-enouf | heh pickcoder |
| 21:57.46 | Shockcore | wait lol |
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| 21:58.19 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: google DGE-530T rev 2 |
| 21:58.21 | xeon-enouf | heh |
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| 21:58.40 | xeon-enouf | won't |
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| 21:59.13 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: go buy a 20$ netgear NIC ;-) |
| 21:59.23 | brynjarh | where can I get more information on what the "predefined collections of software" (Desktop environemnt, Laptop, Standard system, etc..) installs on my system? |
| 21:59.39 | xeon-enouf | brynjarh: tasksel |
| 21:59.40 | themill | brynjarh: /msg dpkg tasksel |
| 22:00.14 | Shockcore | asus |
| 22:00.16 | Shockcore | 5 pci slots |
| 22:00.36 | \amethyst | Shockcore: do you have another computer to try it in? |
| 22:00.36 | Shockcore | trying to find model |
| 22:00.43 | Shockcore | yes |
| 22:00.51 | xeon-enouf | brynjarh: dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort -n | less |
| 22:01.03 | sphenxes | Roin, thanks it has woked fine (the purge command= |
| 22:01.11 | \amethyst | that would at least tell you whether to blame the card or the motherboard |
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| 22:01.16 | \amethyst | (maybe) |
| 22:01.43 | Ricoshady | ive got debian installed but the SVN client is so old it can't even connect to the repo anymore, butits the lateest debian provides, does debian have more up to date packages? |
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| 22:01.47 | puddles | howdy |
| 22:02.05 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: hug eeyore |
| 22:02.05 | dpkg | wraps his shiny metal lovin' arms around eeyore |
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| 22:02.40 | xeon-enouf | wonders if he spelled 'eeyore' correctly |
| 22:03.29 | xeon-enouf | Ricoshady: which release? cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 22:03.58 | eeyore- | Ricoshady: if it's not in debian you're just gonna have to build yourself a new version. Subversion is one of those tools that likes to forgo backward/forward compatibility for the hell of it |
| 22:04.27 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: or ,, it's just not fully inserted (properly) |
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| 22:04.43 | Shockcore | xeon-enouf p4p800s |
| 22:04.47 | xeon-enouf | splashes puddles |
| 22:04.56 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 22:05.15 | Shockcore | xeon-enouf asus p4p800s is mobo |
| 22:05.24 | xeon-enouf | oh, ok |
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| 22:05.32 | xeon-enouf | onboard NIC? |
| 22:05.45 | Shockcore | yes |
| 22:05.47 | Shockcore | 100mbit |
| 22:05.47 | xeon-enouf | that's Intel Chipset , IIRC |
| 22:05.52 | Shockcore | ich5 yes |
| 22:06.05 | Shockcore | it has onboard realtek |
| 22:06.08 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 22:06.08 | Shockcore | but 100mbit |
| 22:06.10 | Shockcore | i want giga |
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| 22:06.18 | Shockcore | so i bough this stupid dlink :P |
| 22:06.44 | xeon-enouf | well Gbit isn;t going to work without 64bit PCT or PCIe |
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| 22:06.59 | Shockcore | huh? |
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| 22:07.09 | Shockcore | 64bit pct? |
| 22:07.16 | xeon-enouf | PCI-X |
| 22:07.27 | xeon-enouf | yes, 64bit |
| 22:07.33 | xeon-enouf | watch |
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| 22:07.51 | Shockcore | <god |
| 22:07.52 | eeyore- | i see BFS is stirring up troubles :-) |
| 22:07.56 | pickcoder | UH |
| 22:07.57 | xeon-enouf | 02:1f.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82806AA PCI64 Hub PCI Bridge (rev 03) |
| 22:07.58 | xeon-enouf | 03:00.0 PIC: Intel Corporation 82806AA PCI64 Hub Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (rev 01) |
| 22:08.11 | pickcoder | xeon-enouf: I have Intel gigae cards running on 32-bit slots |
| 22:08.23 | xeon-enouf | ok - my bad -- sorry |
| 22:08.36 | Shockcore | says pci 2.3 |
| 22:08.46 | eeyore- | pickcoder: and you can saturate gigabit link? |
| 22:08.47 | Shockcore | 32bit pci 2.3 x 5 slots |
| 22:08.56 | xeon-enouf | is not only preoccupado .. but is a wee bit sauced ;-) |
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| 22:09.53 | xeon-enouf | pickcoder: doesn't gigE need jumbo frames to work properly? |
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| 22:10.34 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: still .. you card is dead, so it seems |
| 22:10.41 | xeon-enouf | your* |
| 22:10.43 | Shockcore | its new |
| 22:10.45 | Shockcore | lolll |
| 22:10.55 | xeon-enouf | shit happens |
| 22:11.00 | xeon-enouf | RTM |
| 22:11.18 | Shockcore | ill try in another pc |
| 22:11.29 | Shockcore | when i boot pc should the led imidialy open? |
| 22:11.38 | Shockcore | there is a back led |
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| 22:11.50 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: i'm guessing you bought it at WorstBuy |
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| 22:12.39 | xeon-enouf | ofcourse, even 10/100BaseT have LEDs :-P |
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| 22:13.41 | Ricoshady | xeon-enouf: I have version 4 |
| 22:13.50 | pickcoder | xeon-enouf: nope |
| 22:13.59 | eeyore- | shockcore: if you plug in a cable from the card to a hub/switch and feed some broadcast traffic, the LEDs on the back of your gigE card should start blinking |
| 22:14.14 | Ricoshady | eeyore-> do I just download and build it and install, or should I remove my old svn package first? |
| 22:14.24 | pickcoder | more pairs and the wiring is shorter depending on the classification of the cable |
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| 22:14.31 | eeyore- | Ricoshady: just install in $HOME/extras or something |
| 22:14.38 | Shockcore | ok so whats the cheepest giga pci 32 bit card?& |
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| 22:14.55 | _2 | running etch here, what do i need to install to get support for these two hardwares ? 1. 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] [1002:5a62] 2. 00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller [1002:437b] (rev 01) ? |
| 22:14.56 | Ricoshady | eeyore-, but I dont want two copies installed |
| 22:15.03 | Ricoshady | and I'd like it in the path |
| 22:15.06 | pickcoder | Shockcore: buy the Intel desktop model if you want a good card |
| 22:15.14 | pickcoder | cheap != good |
| 22:15.17 | Shockcore | i want cheapest :) |
| 22:15.31 | eeyore- | Ricoshady: what's wrong with export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/extras/bin ?? |
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| 22:16.03 | Ricoshady | eeyore-, not sure exactly, but why in a home directory? |
| 22:16.04 | xeon-enouf | pickcoder: ok, thanks, but when i said 'properly', i meant speed-wise |
| 22:16.05 | zinx | doesn't know that PCI has enough bandwidth to do 1Gbit |
| 22:16.08 | Shockcore | omfg |
| 22:16.11 | Shockcore | its in lspci now |
| 22:16.13 | Shockcore | :!!! |
| 22:16.21 | eeyore- | Ricoshady: so you can keep your stuff private, apart from other people's stuff |
| 22:16.29 | xeon-enouf | zinx: PCI is a 133MB _shared_ bus |
| 22:16.29 | pickcoder | zinx: why would Intel make Pro cards in PCI 33/66? |
| 22:16.31 | Ricoshady | this is my own dev server |
| 22:16.37 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 22:16.38 | Ricoshady | no one else uses it |
| 22:16.43 | xeon-enouf | zinx: PCI is a 133MB/sec _shared_ bus |
| 22:16.58 | zinx | xeon-enouf: ah, so it technically has enough... |
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| 22:17.05 | zinx | xeon-enouf: just not practically :) |
| 22:17.09 | xeon-enouf | zinx: see interfacebus.com and wikipedia ;-) |
| 22:17.12 | madhat | should i use ext3 as a filesystem? |
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| 22:17.27 | eeyore- | madhat: no, use zfs ... (just kidding) |
| 22:17.28 | Ricoshady | and even if others did use, Im sure they'd want the newest subversion as well |
| 22:17.42 | themill | judd versions subversion |
| 22:17.42 | judd | themill: subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 etch-security: 1.4.2dfsg1-3 etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 lenny-security: 1.5.1dfsg1-4 squeeze: 1.6.3dfsg-1 lenny-backports: 1.6.4dfsg-1~bpo50+1 sid: 1.6.5dfsg-1 |
| 22:17.46 | xeon-enouf | zinx: SATA and PCIe use LVDS , so not shared bandwidth (supposedly) |
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| 22:17.57 | madhat | eeyore-: it would be funnier if it was on the liste of debian5 ;) |
| 22:18.00 | themill | Ricoshady: ^^ look at backports.org for newer svn. /msg dpkg svn |
| 22:18.04 | madhat | *list |
| 22:18.09 | Shockcore | eth1 |
| 22:18.12 | Shockcore | so works now |
| 22:18.20 | Shockcore | i will need to switch it to eth0 |
| 22:18.24 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 22:18.24 | eeyore- | Shockcore: loose card? |
| 22:18.30 | pickcoder | most "server" nics are PCI-E |
| 22:18.30 | xeon-enouf | no ... Shockcore |
| 22:18.43 | Shockcore | i want my new giga to use eth0 profile |
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| 22:18.46 | Shockcore | not eth1 |
| 22:18.54 | eeyore- | Shockcore: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net something or other, that's the file that names your interface based on mac address |
| 22:19.01 | xeon-enouf | if it's a PCI card and lspci does NOT see it - it does NOT work now |
| 22:19.16 | xeon-enouf | !70 |
| 22:19.16 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 22:19.28 | themill | Ricoshady: but older subversion should talk fine to newer clients without any issues. All you would miss was the ability to do some fancy automated branching+merging things. You can quite happily use svn 1.6 clients with lenny's svn 1.5 package. |
| 22:19.31 | eeyore- | tsk tsk ... |
| 22:19.41 | xeon-enouf | but anyway you wintendo weenie - have fun in your silly broken Virtual Env |
| 22:19.59 | Shockcore | xeon-enouf i tried a diff slot |
| 22:20.01 | Shockcore | it works now |
| 22:20.01 | Ricoshady | themill, anytime I try and access the svn repo I get and error saying the version is outdated |
| 22:20.11 | Ricoshady | I'm running etch, can I use lenny backports? |
| 22:20.19 | xeon-enouf | Shockcore: so .. you have TWO bad slots? |
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| 22:20.33 | eeyore- | xeon-enouf: it's probably bus-master capable vs non bus-master |
| 22:20.36 | xeon-enouf | or your BIOS sucks so much it disabled all othereS? |
| 22:20.38 | themill | Ricoshady: then grab 1.5 from etch-backports or consider upgrading to lenny. |
| 22:20.47 | xeon-enouf | eeyore-: doesn't matter |
| 22:21.05 | themill | Ricoshady: what client are you using and what's the exact error message? |
| 22:21.05 | eeyore- | xeon-enouf: oh, you can plug a bus-master card into a non bus-master slot? |
| 22:21.14 | xeon-enouf | eeyore-: especially in ICHx era |
| 22:21.18 | _2 | ok can i get grub2 for etch ? |
| 22:21.24 | xeon-enouf | yes |
| 22:21.34 | Shockcore | xeon-enouf seems like it |
| 22:21.40 | Shockcore | shit is old man :P |
| 22:21.44 | _2 | build source xeon-enouf ? |
| 22:21.47 | xeon-enouf | eeyore-: all cards are _possibly_ BusMaster capable |
| 22:22.00 | xeon-enouf | what _2 ? |
| 22:22.08 | _2 | ok can i get grub2 for etch ? |
| 22:22.24 | xeon-enouf | gives the evil eye to _3 and goes |
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| 22:22.26 | Ricoshady | themill, im using the svn client from the command line |
| 22:22.31 | _2 | xeon-enouf sorry, thought you were answering me |
| 22:22.33 | Ricoshady | svn: This client is too old to work with working copy '.'. You need |
| 22:22.33 | Ricoshady | to get a newer Subversion client, or to downgrade this working copy. |
| 22:22.33 | Ricoshady | See http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html#working-copy-format-change |
| 22:22.33 | Ricoshady | for details. |
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| 22:22.48 | eeyore- | xeon-enouf: stuff like conexant chips wants to be in bus-master slots, period |
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| 22:22.51 | themill | dpkg: tell Ricoshady about paste |
| 22:22.52 | Ricoshady | oops |
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| 22:22.57 | xeon-enouf | _2: likely not in a debian pkg |
| 22:22.59 | eeyore- | xeon-enouf: hauppauge cards, wintv mostly |
| 22:23.02 | fredl | compiles firefox 3.5 |
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| 22:23.12 | _2 | ok. ty. xeon-enouf |
| 22:23.12 | themill | Ricoshady: you're using a checkout that was made with a newer copy of svn then. |
| 22:23.13 | Ricoshady | can I upgrade to lenny without reinstalling? |
| 22:23.19 | fredl | I just can't deal with iceweasel. |
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| 22:23.42 | Ricoshady | themill, yes I have a svn dir that I use both via the shell and samba |
| 22:23.48 | xeon-enouf | eeyore-: it depends how your ACPI tables define it (your slots) and what the kernel sees |
| 22:23.58 | fredl | and my i7 is eating up that firefox source like nobody's business. |
| 22:24.06 | themill | Ricoshady: i.e. you made the checkout with svn 1.5 or 1.6 and and are now using svn 1.4 on that working copy. That's not supported, but if you just made the checkout with etch's svn to begin with it would work. |
| 22:24.09 | eeyore- | fredl: name dropper :-p |
| 22:24.19 | xeon-enouf | eeyore-: i need to go out for more vodka - bbiab ;-) |
| 22:24.28 | eeyore- | xeon-enouf: enjoy |
| 22:24.37 | xeon-enouf | !vodka eeyore- |
| 22:24.37 | dpkg | draws off a shot of Stolichnaya for eeyore- |
| 22:24.46 | fredl | I don't think I ever saw any computer compile this fast. |
| 22:24.47 | eeyore- | it's been a while since i can afford toys for myself ... |
| 22:24.56 | themill | Ricoshady: grabbing svn from etch-backports is pretty easy (/msg dpkg bpo). Upgrading to lenny doesn't require a reinstall -- it should work quite fine. /msg dpkg etch->lenny. |
| 22:24.56 | _2 | running etch here, what do i need to install to get support for these two hardwares ? 1. 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] [1002:5a62] 2. 00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller [1002:437b] (rev 01) ? |
| 22:25.18 | Ricoshady | themill, but I use annother client via windows on the same dir, and it updates the working directory |
| 22:25.18 | fredl | name dropper? |
| 22:26.01 | themill | Ricoshady: yep. Either use separate working copies or make sure you have the same (minor)version of svn. This is a well-known problem with svn. |
| 22:26.02 | fredl | what's a name dropper? |
| 22:26.24 | Ricoshady | can I use a lenny svn packport for svn on etch? |
| 22:26.32 | themill | _2: both of them should be supported quite fine with etch. |
| 22:27.02 | _2 | themill both "function" in a most rudimentry way. |
| 22:27.02 | themill | Ricoshady: no. very unlikely to work out well. 1.5 is in etch-backports. If you need newer, then you'll have to upgrade to lenny. |
| 22:27.28 | themill | _2: so your original question wasn't really what you wanted to ask. |
| 22:28.16 | _2 | themill ummm. only if you consider "suport" to be the bare minimum |
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| 22:29.40 | themill | _2: I'm not going to spend time guessing what is or isn't working and what you want out of them. And expecting excellent hardware support out of a 3 year old kernel is ambitious. You can look at either etchnhalf kernels or upgrade to lenny. |
| 22:30.21 | _2 | the sound card "does not" work for recording/input and the vidio does not have dri/hardware acceleration |
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| 22:30.49 | _2 | themill the hardware is older than the kernel ;/ |
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| 22:32.39 | _2 | so i'll just assume for now. that no one here at the moment knows or wants to point me at a quick guide or short answer/package was only hoping there was something like ubuntu's 'restricted manager' |
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| 22:33.25 | fredl | you think Ubuntu will work on your old hardware? |
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| 22:33.44 | fredl | and good luck getting long term support on Ubuntu. |
| 22:33.55 | _2 | don't know. and connection too slow to randomly install distros for testing. |
| 22:34.01 | fredl | or on anything computer related for that matter. |
| 22:34.17 | whatnow | Hi! How's Debian's/Lenny's Xfce doing? The new versions for archlinux are sort of sad in comparison to the one I have on the old Debian/Edge machine... |
| 22:34.20 | _2 | fredl heh. |
| 22:34.39 | fredl | it's not a joke _2, it's a sign of our times. |
| 22:35.03 | fredl | marketing ploy, gotta keep up with the joneses. |
| 22:35.44 | fredl | ofcourse seeing this firefox source being eaten away by my i7 makes keeping up with the joneses worthwhile. |
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| 22:36.02 | _2 | fredl hehhe yeah sad state of affairs, anyway. thanks guys. i'll go now, and not bother the channel anymore. |
| 22:36.09 | fredl | imagines a beowulf of i7's |
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| 22:36.26 | fredl | ur not a bother it's quiet anyway. |
| 22:36.45 | kaizoku | Soo, everything with suspend seems to work fine, except that x11 segfaults when I restore |
| 22:37.14 | kaizoku | It works with the vesa driver, but when I use the radeon driver, it segfaults |
| 22:37.43 | fredl | and we're done! firefox 3.5 compiled from scratch. |
| 22:37.44 | eeyore- | kaizoku: radeon or fglrx? |
| 22:37.50 | kaizoku | radeon |
| 22:38.10 | kaizoku | It's a firegl card, but I'm using the radeon driver |
| 22:38.17 | eeyore- | kaizoku: odd, it's been my experience that radeon/radeonhd likes suspend/resume much better than fglrx (which doesn't, at all) |
| 22:38.53 | fredl | heh and it even works. |
| 22:39.13 | kaizoku | I downloaded the radeon driver's with debugging symbols, but I'm not exactly sure how to use it |
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| 22:39.20 | kaizoku | Can I change the module path for just the one module? |
| 22:40.33 | eeyore- | kaizoku: that won't help you unless you want to attach a debugger, and if it crashes during resume, you won't be able to attach any debugger to it, hence, not useful :-) |
| 22:40.51 | kaizoku | Well, there's a backtrace in Xorg.0.log |
| 22:40.56 | kaizoku | but it just has addresses |
| 22:41.43 | whatnow | kaizoku: Did you try hibernating? |
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| 22:42.26 | kaizoku | No, I haven't |
| 22:42.28 | eeyore- | kaizoku: if it can print backtrace then perhaps you can set "coredumpsize" limit (/etc/limits.conf) to 0 (unlimited) and look for X11 core dump file ... debug THAT |
| 22:42.43 | kaizoku | They both worked before when I was using the vesa driver though |
| 22:42.49 | kaizoku | but now vesa won't work |
| 22:42.53 | kaizoku | It gives me an error about no |
| 22:42.56 | kaizoku | modes found |
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| 22:44.33 | eeyore- | i should go home, friday desk clearing time! |
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| 22:45.23 | pfui | is there a pdf version of debian-reference online? |
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| 22:47.02 | whatnow | kaizoku: Hibernate might work even though suspending doesn't... unless you really want to figure stuff out, that might just be enough... I never had luck getting suspend working if it didn't out of the box. It just starts working again after some update, so taking a look at the bugtracker could be a good idea, too. |
| 22:47.18 | dondelelcaro | pfui: yes, /msg dpkg qref |
| 22:48.00 | chomwitt_ | i cant find gnote in my lenny repository |
| 22:48.09 | pfui | thanks! |
| 22:48.25 | pfui | how come debian ddp doesn't link to it? |
| 22:48.30 | dondelelcaro | pfui: hrm; actually, it's just html, but since its in sgml, you could get the source and install it |
| 22:48.33 | dondelelcaro | s/install/build |
| 22:48.47 | pfui | and the link to the quick reference card is broken too |
| 22:48.59 | pfui | yup, but I'm still to install debian |
| 22:49.11 | pfui | nevertheless I wanted to go thru the guide while the packages download |
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| 22:52.09 | pfui | and it turns out that the copy on qref.sf.net is outdated... |
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| 22:55.08 | hamburg_ | Hi there! Someone know how can i install a virtualbox in a debian host without X. I'm trying to install via apt, but i got unmet dependencies. |
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| 22:57.11 | wald0 | how i can do a downgrade of a package ? |
| 22:57.18 | avu | !downgrade |
| 22:57.18 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>, or <unstable->testing> |
| 22:57.41 | \amethyst | hamburg_: I don't think anyone has packaged VBoxHeadless as a separate package... you should be able to install it without an X server, just the X libraries |
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| 23:00.25 | pfui | another q, where's the deb for speedtouch adsl modems? |
| 23:00.34 | Andorin | I come home, turn on my PC, and it won't connect via eth0 to my home network. Why...? |
| 23:01.10 | Andorin | Also, I go to configure network settings, find that the "enable connection" box is not ticked, tick it, save, exit, pull the settings back up... it's unticked. |
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| 23:01.46 | chomwitt_ | i cant install gnote from backports. |
| 23:01.47 | slidesinger | Is there a diagnostic tool for testing the physical integrity of the hard drive? |
| 23:02.09 | NiveusLuna | How does one enable realtime antivirus protection with clamav? |
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| 23:03.37 | chomwitt_ | ok. sorry. i was using synaptic |
| 23:03.49 | BumfunMC | can anyone help me with mplayer? the zoom is not working. black borderes are shown instead. i´m using debian testing |
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| 23:04.02 | Andorin | I should very much like to know what's causing this. Ethernet NEVER has issues. Ever. |
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| 23:05.16 | slidesinger | Andorin: ifupdown or network manager? |
| 23:05.30 | Andorin | slidesinger: I don't know what ifupdown is. |
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| 23:06.24 | slidesinger | Andorin: ifconfig, ifup, ifdown |
| 23:07.11 | slidesinger | Andorin: I can not help with Network Manager. |
| 23:07.20 | Andorin | slidesinger: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're asking. |
| 23:08.51 | Andorin | All I know is that my desktop computer is not responding in any way when the ethernet cable is plugged in. |
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| 23:09.31 | roguesmiler | What is debian? |
| 23:09.43 | k]t | HAHA |
| 23:10.16 | slidesinger | Andorin: There are two ways of handling your network connections. ifconfig, ifup, ifdown being the classic command line tools, network manager being a GUI tool. |
| 23:10.46 | Andorin | slidesinger: I've used ifconfig before, to grab information about my connection, but never ifup or ifdown./ |
| 23:10.53 | roguesmiler | This channel just lost the game. |
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| 23:12.16 | wald0 | oh, poor roguesmiler... |
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| 23:13.18 | k]t | =( |
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| 23:14.12 | slidesinger | Andorin: The point is that you control the status of your connection either one way or the other and I don't know my way around the GUI. |
| 23:14.32 | Andorin | Who in here does? |
| 23:15.25 | slidesinger | Andorin: I can ask this, though, what is the status of your link lights? |
| 23:15.39 | Andorin | slidesinger: Define link lights. |
| 23:15.48 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 23:15.51 | Andorin | The illumination for the ethernet port? |
| 23:16.05 | xeon-enouf | usb,blinkenlights=1 |
| 23:16.45 | xeon-enouf | !interfaces |
| 23:16.46 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 23:17.05 | slidesinger | Andorin: lights on the ports and also on most of the better cards. |
| 23:17.22 | Andorin | When I plug in the cable, the port lights up like normal. |
| 23:17.44 | xeon-enouf | normal" |
| 23:17.58 | slidesinger | Andorin: static ip or dhcp? |
| 23:18.02 | Andorin | dhcp. |
| 23:18.16 | xeon-enouf | "normal" to you isn't necessarily normal to us |
| 23:18.44 | Andorin | Fine. The port lights up /like it's supposed to/. |
| 23:18.44 | slidesinger | other pc's on the same network that use dhcp? |
| 23:18.55 | Andorin | Yes, but it isn't on right now. |
| 23:19.03 | xeon-enouf | solid light occurs on a dlink crapola PCI NIC in my p-pro |
| 23:19.05 | Andorin | Well. |
| 23:19.23 | Andorin | My laptop is connected right now- that's how I'm in IRC- and it uses DHCP. So yes. |
| 23:19.25 | slidesinger | Find out if it is working. |
| 23:19.29 | xeon-enouf | but it works fine |
| 23:20.05 | Andorin | slidesinger: ^^^ |
| 23:22.43 | xeon-enouf | (mine is obviously a ACPI or Netboot/PXE issue) since it's not even ATX, it's AT :-) |
| 23:23.37 | Andorin | So what do I do to troubleshoot this? |
| 23:23.43 | xeon-enouf | WoL/WOMR crap-type unsupported things |
| 23:25.06 | xeon-enouf | doesn' |
| 23:25.32 | Andorin | ? |
| 23:25.34 | xeon-enouf | doesn't tick boxes ..especially for sysadmin stuffs |
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| 23:26.14 | xeon-enouf | my hands and fingers are big ... and some asshole pplaced tje |
| 23:26.22 | xeon-enouf | my hands and fingers are big ... and some asshole pplaced tje ' next to ENTER |
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| 23:26.48 | xeon-enouf | capisce!? |
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| 23:27.35 | xeon-enouf | eeyore .. you suck - vodka wins! :-P |
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| 23:28.17 | freeone3000 | I'm using `mount -t cifs -o "ip=76.78.145.215,user=James Moore,pass=*****" "\\\\MISUZU\\Users\\James Moore\\Documents\\" /mnt/share` . I then cd into /mnt/share. However, upon `ls`, I am reported that '.' is not a directory. When trying to mkdir -p, one of the things I've tried, it complains about "CIFS VFS Error -20". |
| 23:28.29 | freeone3000 | So what's the problem, and why won't it mount? |
| 23:28.33 | xeon-enouf | whoa. .... |
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| 23:28.47 | xeon-enouf | use // heh |
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| 23:29.21 | xeon-enouf | likely some gvfs crapola issue |
| 23:29.38 | simonrvn | does that dir exist at all before you mount? |
| 23:29.45 | xeon-enouf | freeone3000: what do you think. you're a sed expert? lmao |
| 23:29.59 | freeone3000 | simonrvn: Yes. |
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| 23:30.10 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 23:30.13 | xeon-enouf | and use IP, not sharename |
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| 23:30.56 | xeon-enouf | you do not have to . but .. you definitely do not need \\\\ |
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| 23:31.37 | simonrvn | kinda preoccupied atm, but seems like you'll need to do some tracing ;) |
| 23:31.38 | freeone3000 | Okay. Those two changes did not affect the connection at all. |
| 23:32.06 | freeone3000 | Fine. SFTP it is. -.- |
| 23:32.07 | xeon-enouf | er user=James Moore should/might need to be user=James\040Moore |
| 23:32.21 | freeone3000 | Same as in the dir? |
| 23:32.27 | xeon-enouf | WTF with the SPACES! |
| 23:32.38 | freeone3000 | Aha different error! |
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| 23:32.47 | xeon-enouf | man ascii |
| 23:32.49 | freeone3000 | Return code -13, permission denied! Progress! |
| 23:33.01 | xeon-enouf | /etc/fstab is funky |
| 23:33.18 | freeone3000 | This is command line, not even getting into /etc/fstab |
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| 23:33.37 | xeon-enouf | yes you are, if using a shell |
| 23:33.50 | freeone3000 | Okay. I am. |
| 23:34.17 | simonrvn | well, that might be the same reason for the cifs. perm denied |
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| 23:35.43 | freeone3000 | Guest login gives me permission key expired. Interesting. Interactive password entry gives me denied. Again. |
| 23:35.56 | freeone3000 | Except that "James Moore" is my username, and my password is *definately* my password. |
| 23:36.15 | xeon-enouf | on bash user=James[tab][tab] wouldn't complete .. BUT a filename/dirname like "ls -al someshit with blank spaces" would tab-complete but append a '\' where needed |
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| 23:36.41 | simonrvn | dir perms, or you forgot something on other end |
| 23:36.53 | xeon-enouf | it took me 4000 yrs tp fix all the typos |
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| 23:37.33 | freeone3000 | Directories can be accessed from another (Windows XP) computer with the same username and password |
| 23:37.50 | ksnp | will /etc/hosts be used ALWAYS prior to any queries ? |
| 23:37.50 | xeon-enouf | freeone3000: wtf is "Guest login gives me permission key expired" |
| 23:37.53 | xeon-enouf | ? |
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| 23:38.46 | freeone3000 | xeon-enouf: mount -t cifs -o "user=guest" ... gives me error code -127: key expired |
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| 23:39.03 | xeon-enouf | no no no |
| 23:39.07 | freeone3000 | Which is what happens when permission is *really* denied, I think. |
| 23:39.12 | macrobat | do you keep a "guest" username, freeone3000 ? |
| 23:39.19 | xeon-enouf | user= needs an ID number |
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| 23:39.24 | freeone3000 | macrobat: There's one defined, but it's not used. |
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| 23:40.07 | xeon-enouf | man .. you type fast ..feckle :-P |
| 23:41.03 | freeone3000 | Oh. Cool. I'm uid 1. Not quite as cool as 0, but still. |
| 23:41.20 | xeon-enouf | not cool |
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| 23:41.29 | xeon-enouf | should start at 1000 |
| 23:41.34 | freeone3000 | Both -o "user=1" and -o "uid=1" give me denied. |
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| 23:41.40 | freeone3000 | xeon-enouf: Windows 7, running as Administrator. |
| 23:41.42 | xeon-enouf | !groups |
| 23:41.43 | dpkg | somebody said groups was file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html . Ask me about <group> and <desktop groups>. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
| 23:41.58 | xeon-enouf | fuck that redmond shit |
| 23:42.18 | xeon-enouf | you forgot gid= |
| 23:42.28 | freeone3000 | I'm using samba to connect to a client share. One must question what you thought was on the other end. |
| 23:42.34 | xeon-enouf | (not that it matters with winpoop) |
| 23:42.44 | freeone3000 | (Well, more specifically, I'm using samba on a guest to connect to a host share as a server.) |
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| 23:43.12 | freeone3000 | (And even better: I'm trying to fing share files between one computer and another ocmputer, where one computer is *running on* the other computer.) |
| 23:43.20 | simonrvn | k]t: look at /etc/nsswitch.conf for that |
| 23:43.27 | xeon-enouf | id -a will tell you uid/gid |
| 23:43.30 | simonrvn | ksnp: look at /etc/nsswitch.conf for that |
| 23:43.34 | simonrvn | k]t: sorry |
| 23:43.50 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 23:44.05 | xeon-enouf | simonrvn: you had it right the first time! |
| 23:44.07 | freeone3000 | xeon-enouf: Not a valid command name, executable, or batch file. |
| 23:44.16 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 23:44.24 | freeone3000 | xeon-enouf: "id -a". |
| 23:44.37 | freeone3000 | Works great on the debian side, though. |
| 23:44.43 | freeone3000 | (0, 0, 0)... |
| 23:44.43 | xeon-enouf | freeone3000: then your system sucks ass and is NOT debian |
| 23:44.55 | freeone3000 | The OS I'm trying to make work with this is. |
| 23:45.08 | xeon-enouf | nobody cares |
| 23:45.28 | xeon-enouf | ask your "OS" channel |
| 23:45.43 | macrobat | freeone3000: ask in ##windows |
| 23:46.18 | freeone3000 | Okay. Sure. I'll go with debugging a samba connection string there. |
| 23:46.43 | xeon-enouf | hahaha .. you go girl! |
| 23:47.04 | sylar | how do I open VT100 on serial console? |
| 23:47.19 | karsten | sylar: ?? |
| 23:47.28 | karsten | sylar: Run a getty on it? |
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| 23:47.47 | sylar | getty? on both sides? |
| 23:48.12 | xeon-enouf | goes out for a lucious burger, some possible poontang, and some chernobyl-y hot spicy wings ;-) tell eeyore he missed out@ |
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| 23:48.39 | karsten | sylar: see /etc/inittab for your consoles. Enable / uncomment the lines for S0/S1 |
| 23:48.52 | karsten | sylar: Um. Usually minicom. |
| 23:48.54 | xeon-enouf | ^fives karsten just prior to leaving |
| 23:48.54 | sylar | yes I saw that |
| 23:48.58 | karsten | sylar: How are you attached to the serial console. |
| 23:49.03 | karsten | xeon-enouf: Thanks. |
| 23:49.19 | sylar | karsten, both computer are connected to it |
| 23:49.31 | karsten | sylar: What's the physical medium? |
| 23:49.40 | xeon-enouf | sylar: please be more specific |
| 23:49.49 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.57 | macrobat | Andorin: have you tried dhclient? |
| 23:50.08 | karsten | sylar: Typical examples: a dedicated serial terminal, a computer with a null-modem cable, ethernet to some sort of ILOM. |
| 23:50.11 | sylar | it is a serial cable |
| 23:50.20 | xeon-enouf | heck .. even i (and any half-advanced ape) can do that |
| 23:50.32 | karsten | sylar: On remote side (serving), ensure getty is running on the appropriate terminal. |
| 23:50.41 | Andorin | macrobat: If you're talking about my connection, it's working now. Inexplicably. |
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| 23:50.58 | karsten | sylar: On the local (client) side: minicom -s /dev/<your serial device) |
| 23:51.10 | karsten | sylar: You'll have to sort out if it's /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, etc. |
| 23:51.21 | xeon-enouf | ps aux | egrep 'tty|login' |
| 23:51.23 | macrobat | i had bad experience with network manager. wicd is so much better |
| 23:51.44 | xeon-enouf | or use 'pts' for xterm instances |
| 23:52.38 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: hug karsten for being so low-level ;-) |
| 23:52.38 | dpkg | wraps his shiny metal lovin' arms around karsten for being so low-level ;-) |
| 23:52.38 | karsten | sylar: ... and make sure the com speeds are synched. Usually 9600 to start. Higher rates should work. |
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| 23:52.57 | karsten | xeon-enouf: That's me. I've got friends in low-level places. |
| 23:53.17 | karsten | sylar: And if it's not a null-modem cable, you're fucked. A *SERIAL* cable won't work. |
| 23:53.21 | xeon-enouf | what about bits and flow-control ? :-) |
| 23:53.26 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 23:53.31 | karsten | xeon-enouf: defaults should work. |
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| 23:54.01 | karsten | sylar: minicom has a configuration utility, 'sudo minicom -s' to get into it. |
| 23:54.02 | xeon-enouf | well .. not at 115k baud ;-) |
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| 23:54.20 | karsten | sylar: Mind I haven't done any of this for a couple-three years or more. |
| 23:54.32 | xeon-enouf | when the port on;ly takes 9600 ;-) |
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| 23:54.43 | sylar | karsten, the cable is ok I did cat /dev/ttyS0 , and echo "x" > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 23:55.01 | karsten | sylar: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/index.html |
| 23:55.04 | PinkFreud | karsten: careful. that one is known to slice open heads to obtain information. |
| 23:55.08 | PinkFreud | sylar: :P |
| 23:55.24 | karsten | sylar: ... and received 'x' on the remote side? Good. |
| 23:55.34 | karsten | PinkFreud: ?? |
| 23:55.38 | sylar | but minicom doesn't start the session, just show me configuration options and no start session |
| 23:55.46 | sylar | PinkFreud, shhhh |
| 23:55.53 | karsten | sylar: Then RTF minicom docs. |
| 23:56.00 | sylar | sure |
| 23:56.12 | karsten | sylar: I just told you it's been a few years. I had to install minicom just now to get the fine manual. |
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| 23:56.15 | PinkFreud | karsten: sorry, Heroes reference. |
| 23:56.18 | xeon-enouf | looks around for somebody to spank |
| 23:56.37 | karsten | PinkFreud: Let me guess, this involves television, or something similarly archaic? |
| 23:56.45 | PinkFreud | karsten: sadly. |
| 23:56.50 | xeon-enouf | !listvals retty |
| 23:56.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'retty' by value (15 of 58): bunni ;; dunno ... but things ;; galeon ;; iprelay a ;; modern art ;; msoe ;; newplayer ;; os/400 ;; os400 ;; pgp ;; qotd22 ;; qotd244 ;; reiserfs ;; sclient ;; uucp. |
| 23:56.55 | karsten | PinkFreud: Is that show still on? |
| 23:56.57 | xeon-enouf | uff |
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| 23:57.09 | PinkFreud | karsten: yeah. |
| 23:57.33 | xeon-enouf | PinkFreud: you're not ..Floyd ... are you? |
| 23:57.42 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 23:57.48 | xeon-enouf | right |
| 23:58.13 | xeon-enouf | *pink*floyd ,, the bozomaticca |
| 23:58.17 | PinkFreud | xeon-enouf: Pink's not feeling well, stayed back at the hotel. |
| 23:58.25 | PinkFreud | coughs |
| 23:58.27 | PinkFreud | sorry, what? |
| 23:58.33 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 23:58.34 | xeon-enouf | exactly |
| 23:58.42 | xeon-enouf | no, you ain't he |
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| 23:59.07 | PinkFreud | I'm very likely not, as I've no idea who you're talking about. I only drop by here every so often. |
