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| 00:00.49 | xeon-enouf | wait .. i'm supposed to be out .. picking up a gorgeous female,. .. eating (hehe) .. drinking, being merry and feelin' fine! |
| 00:01.01 | xeon-enouf | ok .. here i go .again |
| 00:01.32 | xeon-enouf | PinkFreud: sigmund was a fucken idiot |
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| 00:01.49 | PinkFreud | xeon-enouf: lol |
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| 00:01.59 | xeon-enouf | and so was darwin.. bye ;-) |
| 00:02.08 | PinkFreud | coughs |
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| 00:03.04 | scgtrp | how do i install xorg without installing all the drivers? |
| 00:03.14 | xeon-enouf | smiles, but is not joking .. later thuogh .. i need to eat .. er something ;0 |
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| 00:03.30 | xeon-enouf | sylar: hush hon, 40MB won't kill you |
| 00:03.40 | freeone3000 | Can a symbolic link refer to another symbolic link? |
| 00:03.48 | xeon-enouf | erm scgtrp |
| 00:03.58 | scgtrp | xeon-enouf, it is if you're installing to a 512MB disk :) |
| 00:04.02 | xeon-enouf | not you sylar .. my bad tab |
| 00:04.05 | sylar | xeon-enouf, I've quited mbiting |
| 00:04.10 | scgtrp | err, s/is/will/ |
| 00:04.25 | xeon-enouf | use something like emdebian then |
| 00:04.33 | xeon-enouf | is out |
| 00:04.47 | PinkFreud | freeone3000: yes, it can, but it's not terribly efficient |
| 00:04.53 | scottclin | I need wireless help is this the bast place or another channel? |
| 00:05.24 | PinkFreud | freeone3000: the more symlinks you have in that chain, the longer it takes to traverse that chain, including multiple filesystem (read: disk) reads |
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| 00:06.33 | kaizoku | Soo, I can hibernate just fine, but when I resume, it's not loading the pages again |
| 00:06.49 | kaizoku | I tried adding resume=/dev/sda7 to the kernel options too, but that doesn't seem to help |
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| 00:06.55 | themill | scgtrp: you can just install the drivers you need and xserver-xorg-core |
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| 00:07.19 | freeone3000 | PinkFreud: Okay. I'll avoid it then, thanks. |
| 00:07.25 | scgtrp | themill, xserver-xorg-core wants to pull in a bunch of extra video drivers |
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| 00:08.52 | themill | scgtrp: it shouldn't if you specifically install a driver |
| 00:09.17 | scgtrp | hm. i see |
| 00:09.31 | scgtrp | is curious about the funky dependency logic behind that |
| 00:09.32 | scgtrp | thanks |
| 00:09.42 | themill | virtual packages |
| 00:10.47 | dondelelcaro | scgtrp: since most people don't know which one they want, the default is to install them all |
| 00:11.25 | dondelelcaro | (and generally speaking, it's no big deal to have them all installed, either) |
| 00:11.30 | PinkFreud | freeone3000: np |
| 00:11.31 | scgtrp | dondelelcaro, i usually think of foo-core as being the minimal stuff required for foo to run... maybe the x server and vesa |
| 00:11.41 | scgtrp | anyway, got it down to 35M from 90 |
| 00:11.42 | scgtrp | thanks |
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| 00:12.35 | dondelelcaro | scgtrp: that's what the -core package is, actually... but it has a depenency on xserver-xorg, which pulls in xserver-xorg-video-all etc. by default |
| 00:12.46 | scgtrp | ah, i see |
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| 00:13.33 | sylar | karsten, it works |
| 00:13.43 | scgtrp | hm. i ran X -configure and the screen went blank, ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing |
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| 00:13.50 | sylar | anyone know what speed normal serial cable support? |
| 00:13.51 | themill | scgtrp: check "apt-cache show xserver-xorg" and look at the Depends line. It will try to pull in "xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-2" i.e. all drivers, unless you've already installed one that provides xserver-xorg-video-2. |
| 00:14.03 | scgtrp | ooh. clever |
| 00:14.12 | bpun | scgtrp, X -configure creates an xorg.new.conf file in current folder |
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| 00:14.31 | scgtrp | which is kinda useless if you can't get back to the terminal to edit it :) |
| 00:14.47 | bpun | scgtrp, try ctl-alt-f2 |
| 00:14.50 | beardy | sylar: 300 to 115000 bps |
| 00:15.02 | themill | "X -configure :1" is safer if you're already running X |
| 00:15.24 | sylar | beardy, I'll try |
| 00:15.33 | beardy | sylar: To what exactly? |
| 00:15.43 | bpun | scgtrp, a faulty driver or problematic video card can cause that (problematic as driver issues for that particular video card, even though video card has nothing wrong with it) |
| 00:15.44 | beardy | sylar: 9600 is a good one to try with. |
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| 00:16.11 | scgtrp | bpun, i'm setting up the system in a vm to dd to the real system later, since the real system has no cd drive |
| 00:16.29 | scgtrp | qemu's video hasn't been particularly buggy for me |
| 00:16.43 | sylar | beardy, 9600 works, I just want to set it to how much it can |
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| 00:16.59 | themill | scgtrp: you shouldn't need to configure Xorg at all for qemu |
| 00:17.01 | bpun | scgtrp, then install vmware tools |
| 00:17.26 | bpun | scgtrp, u should be using the vmware video driver within the vm |
| 00:17.45 | scgtrp | i was planning to just set it up with vesa, since that's probably all the target system has |
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| 00:18.18 | bpun | scgtrp, well since you got it working before a hundred times, maybe i will remain silent |
| 00:18.58 | scgtrp | bpun, what are you talking about? this will eventually go on a physical system, not vmware/qemu |
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| 00:20.52 | bpun | scgtrp, well you can always copy 1 byte at a time.. I really dont care about what you're doing.. but you're system map of the drives would change and you would then need a rescue cd anyways.. so go ahead and waste your time |
| 00:21.01 | beardy | sylar: Ok, 115200 then. |
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| 00:21.43 | scgtrp | bpun, now you're just talking nonsense |
| 00:22.06 | sepult | wtf |
| 00:22.07 | bpun | scgtrp, you're an idiot.. go ahead, you'll see i'm correct |
| 00:22.15 | scgtrp | besides, i have trouble accepting technical advice from people who don't know the difference between your and you're |
| 00:22.26 | sepult | why is schroot environment affect the original or vice-versa ? |
| 00:22.27 | bpun | the system map changes for the drives layout.. |
| 00:22.38 | scgtrp | ...if the drives move |
| 00:22.42 | bpun | whatever kid |
| 00:22.47 | sepult | is schroot crap ? |
| 00:23.44 | inckie | i like your style guys, go fight and call each other idiots... very immature |
| 00:23.53 | scgtrp | hey, i never called anyone an idiot |
| 00:24.07 | themill | thinks it's time to move on |
| 00:24.18 | scgtrp | i pointed out his logic error, and he called me an idiot |
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| 00:26.00 | sylar | beardy, that didn't work |
| 00:26.04 | bpun | !debian.exe |
| 00:26.04 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 00:26.07 | bpun | that's for you kid |
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| 00:26.18 | sylar | beardy, and now 9600 don't work either :/ |
| 00:26.29 | scgtrp | bpun, you mean me? |
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| 00:26.35 | beardy | sylar: What devices? |
| 00:26.35 | bpun | auto-resizes ntfs partition |
| 00:26.47 | scgtrp | err, the partition i'm currently using is ext3 |
| 00:26.49 | bpun | (choose manual guided partition to then resize ntfs partition) |
| 00:26.49 | sylar | ttyS0 |
| 00:26.53 | scgtrp | i have no ntfs partitions on this drive |
| 00:27.36 | scgtrp | i would strongly suggest you stop making stupid assumptions to avoid making yourself look any stupider, if it wasn't so entertaining |
| 00:27.41 | sylar | I see there is a getty with 115200 in ps aux |
| 00:28.05 | beardy | sylar: Ok.. well, you did set the same baudrate on both ends right? |
| 00:28.17 | sylar | killled it now it work with 9600 |
| 00:28.41 | sylar | beardy, yes, but I don't know... maybe I got a stuck session |
| 00:29.12 | beardy | sylar: Ok, but try a bit higher, 19200 should work atlest. |
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| 00:33.52 | sylar | why after a session , there is a getty process leftover? |
| 00:34.15 | beardy | sylar: Not sure why.. but maybe it wasn't hung up? |
| 00:34.36 | beardy | sylar: Did 19200 work? |
| 00:34.36 | beardy | sylar: Try 38400. |
| 00:34.41 | sylar | 38400 worked |
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| 00:35.20 | SuperMiguel | is Fat32 the best FS to share files between linux and windows? |
| 00:35.30 | benjamindees | yes |
| 00:35.39 | bpun | Superbartt, y |
| 00:35.47 | bpun | SuperMiguel, ^ |
| 00:35.59 | bpun | SuperMiguel, it's easier to just share things over the network |
| 00:36.07 | sylar | beardy, amazingly 115200 works |
| 00:36.21 | SuperMiguel | bpun, using a NAS server? |
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| 00:36.40 | bpun | SuperMiguel, well there are many roots.. there's even nfs for windows |
| 00:36.43 | beardy | sylar: Nice. |
| 00:36.44 | benjamindees | that doesn't really qualify as amazing |
| 00:36.50 | bpun | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.59 | beardy | No, amazing is a bit strong. |
| 00:37.19 | sylar | beardy, so it probably was hanged getty at 9600 which confused everything |
| 00:37.32 | SuperMiguel | bpun, this is an external drive tough.. |
| 00:37.57 | sylar | beardy, sufficient? |
| 00:38.00 | beardy | sylar: Yes, probably then. |
| 00:38.15 | MmikeRMRM | SuperMiguel, if you're talking about usb-storage, yes, fat32, esp. if you can live with no-preservation of useg/group/permission attributes |
| 00:38.24 | sylar | now I wonder if there are better terminals then vt100 |
| 00:38.39 | beardy | sylar: Yes, I don't think you can get more with RS232 ("PC" serial port, and others) |
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| 00:38.45 | wgsilkie | I'm trying to figure out why the OpenVZ kernel patch isn't in the Debian lenny repository. |
| 00:38.53 | MmikeRMRM | sylar, vt420! :) We had those at my university! :) |
| 00:38.53 | wgsilkie | It's supposed to be. |
| 00:39.28 | sylar | MmikeRMRM, I wonder if I have it |
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| 00:39.48 | wgsilkie | The most relevant thing Google gives me is this (recent) post on a Debian mail list <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/09/msg01184.html> |
| 00:40.20 | wgsilkie | What should I do now? |
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| 00:40.43 | wgsilkie | I seem to have reached a dead end. |
| 00:40.46 | benjamindees | sylar, try 'linux' |
| 00:40.50 | MmikeRMRM | sylar, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT420 :) |
| 00:42.07 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:43.58 | sylar | MmikeRMRM, I don't see the difference .. no color :/ |
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| 00:45.05 | sylar | vt525 is next |
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| 00:47.33 | sylar | still no color |
| 00:48.50 | bpun | sylar, vt525 is supposed to have color? |
| 00:49.10 | sylar | bpun, that's what is said on that wiki page |
| 00:49.14 | zinx | yes |
| 00:49.20 | sylar | maybe minicom don't support it? |
| 00:49.30 | zinx | minicom most likely does not support vt525... |
| 00:49.38 | bpun | sylar, it works here |
| 00:49.46 | sylar | with color? |
| 00:49.52 | bpun | sylar, are u telnetting or something? |
| 00:50.00 | bpun | sylar, (y it works here on tty1) |
| 00:50.06 | sylar | serial consoling |
| 00:50.36 | bpun | sylar, not sure about that |
| 00:50.58 | bpun | sylar, maybe its the terminal app, i thought u were using getty |
| 00:51.08 | MmikeRMRM | sylar, you're talking about actuall hardware device or ...? |
| 00:51.43 | sylar | MmikeRMRM, two computer serial port |
| 00:51.59 | sylar | minicom -c on |
| 00:52.00 | bpun | sylar, check your terminal app's manpage |
| 00:52.22 | bpun | sylar, youre connecting to an embedded os ? |
| 00:52.23 | sylar | but it gives me white fonts over black background |
| 00:52.42 | sylar | bpun, no, two debians |
| 00:53.08 | bpun | sylar, that's complicating |
| 00:53.27 | bpun | sylar, i believe both server ends need to support the terminal type.. |
| 00:53.39 | MmikeRMRM | sylar, have you tried -t xterm or something like that when starting minicom? |
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| 00:53.52 | sylar | no |
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| 00:54.27 | sylar | but I see that the type is VT102 now |
| 00:54.45 | adb | sylar, and what you trying to do ? |
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| 00:55.23 | MmikeRMRM | also, maybe getty (or whatever yo are using) has something weired in TERM env variable, you can override that when starting getty |
| 00:55.28 | sylar | adb, trying to vt525 |
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| 00:56.09 | MmikeRMRM | huh! had no idea I have modem in this computer :) |
| 00:56.15 | benjamindees | sylar, you can use 'screen' instead of minicom |
| 00:56.46 | sylar | will try |
| 00:57.02 | MmikeRMRM | sylar, i'm also offered 'ANSI' terminal emulation in minicom... |
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| 00:58.03 | benjamindees | and, like I said, use 'linux' as the terminal type |
| 00:58.07 | sylar | benjamindees, do you know the args for /dev/ttyS0? |
| 00:58.31 | bpun | sylar, there's commands like stty and reset |
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| 01:00.55 | benjamindees | try 'screen /dev/ttyS0 19200' |
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| 01:01.46 | sylar | benjamindees, that worked. But still no color |
| 01:01.50 | benjamindees | hmm actually I guess screen doesn't support linux terminal types |
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| 01:02.13 | sylar | benjamindees, how do I exit ? |
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| 01:02.57 | saptech | greetings |
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| 01:03.59 | benjamindees | umm, ctrl-a, ctrl-\ |
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| 01:04.15 | sylar | k |
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| 01:09.00 | benjamindees | sylar, what I'm thinking you want to do is change one of the virtual consoles in your inittab to connect to ttyS0 instead of tty2 or whatever |
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| 01:14.44 | freeone3000 | Okay. A screen session has become unresponsive, and I am unable to swap between consoles. Ctrl-C does nothing. What other interrupt command sequences are there? |
| 01:15.20 | bpun | sylar, aren't you color blinds anyways? lol.. why does color matter so much? |
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| 01:19.27 | bpun | freenose, try opening another terminal and typing ctl-a,'?' .. probably xon |
| 01:21.07 | bpun | freenose, u probably went ctl-a,then 's', which does xoff, ctl-a,q does xon |
| 01:22.22 | freeone3000 | I only have access to one tty. |
| 01:22.55 | bpun | oops, i meant to say it to ya freeone3000 lol |
| 01:23.07 | freeone3000 | And no ssh. Darnit, knew I should've set that up. |
| 01:23.22 | bpun | freeone3000, um.. so i reckon you didnt type the command "screen" |
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| 01:23.33 | bpun | freeone3000, sounds like bashy bashy |
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| 01:24.30 | bpun | freeone3000, did u try ctl-q ? |
| 01:24.41 | freeone3000 | Yep. |
| 01:24.51 | bpun | freeone3000, is it bash? |
| 01:24.54 | freeone3000 | bpun: I did, it's just not responding to ctrl-a either. |
| 01:24.59 | freeone3000 | bpun: It's indeed running screen. |
| 01:25.33 | bpun | freeone3000, so try ctl-s,ctl-q , see if its that.. if not try ctl-q, ctl-s .. |
| 01:26.00 | freeone3000 | Nope. |
| 01:26.09 | freeone3000 | Looks like I'll have to kill the machine.. |
| 01:26.21 | bpun | freeone3000, use the magic sysreq |
| 01:26.28 | bpun | freeone3000, (wikipedia it).. |
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| 01:27.12 | clarjon1 | busier backwards! |
| 01:27.14 | clarjon1 | reisub |
| 01:27.19 | bpun | freeone3000, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 01:28.43 | freeone3000 | Kay, the heck. No workie. |
| 01:28.48 | freeone3000 | Probably VirtualBox in the way. |
| 01:29.24 | bpun | freeone3000, maybe its vmware |
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| 01:40.21 | DeSian | wich command can remove the config files from too, purge not! |
| 01:40.59 | ksnp | hi i am trying to configure exim to receive mails from processes but am unable to send a mail from root to root first, isn't localhost automatically an interface it listens to ? |
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| 01:48.24 | benjamindees | sylar: there is a '-c on' option for minicom that will turn on colors |
| 01:49.22 | TuxKnowledge | Q: I have lenny on a Laptop with a Linksys WPC54GS PCMCIA wireless card. I have played with this for 4 hours now with no luck. On boot /etc/modules runs a modprobe b43, which gives me wlan0. ifconfig and iwconfig find it. I cant connect to a network as they all are using WPA and for some reason I cant get it working via CLI. I can not get knetworkmanager or nm-applet to detect wwlan0 so I can not get a GUI NM to manage the device. Any thoughts? |
| 01:49.37 | benjamindees | sylar: and I'm thinking the '-t linux' option will help too but I'm not sure |
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| 01:51.32 | benjamindees | !wpasupplicant |
| 01:51.32 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
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| 01:51.59 | TuxKnowledge | i have wpa_supplicant installed |
| 01:52.14 | TuxKnowledge | I just dont know how to use it via CLI, and I have tried to figure it out |
| 01:52.28 | TuxKnowledge | i even made a /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file |
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| 01:53.22 | benjamindees | basically, to do it manually, you 'ifconfig wlan0 up', then run wpasupplicant, then run 'iwconfig wlan0' to check the status |
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| 01:54.19 | benjamindees | TuxKnowledge: my b43legacy doesn't work at all with ifupdown so I don't recommend using that |
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| 01:56.21 | TuxKnowledge | benjamindees, when I try to do it manually I am not associating with the AP, even though everything is correct in the configs. Thats why I want a GUI to do this |
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| 01:58.23 | benjamindees | TuxKnowledge: what is the AP out of curiousity? |
| 01:59.02 | TuxKnowledge | it is my friends, i am house sitting, let me check |
| 01:59.27 | TuxKnowledge | linksys WRT54G |
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| 02:03.24 | TuxKnowledge | it would be nice to have a GUI, cus I am gonna have to do all of this again on Monday when i get back to my house for my wireless |
| 02:04.09 | Arafangion | Any hardware caveats I should be aware of when buying a new computer? (Going to buy a machine for a server, using a Gigabyte GA-EG45M-UD2H, and SATA drives, the board supports RAID but I doubt I'll use it) |
| 02:04.35 | TuxKnowledge | why would you build a server and not use RAID |
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| 02:05.04 | TuxKnowledge | I swear by RAID 1, 3, 5, and 10 |
| 02:05.23 | segers_j | Arafangion: get a non-nvedia graphics card. |
| 02:05.26 | Arafangion | Because hardware RAID is *expensive*. |
| 02:05.33 | Arafangion | segers_j: It'll be headless. |
| 02:05.38 | segers_j | k |
| 02:05.49 | Arafangion | segers_j: And nVidia is preferable to ATI, still. |
| 02:06.05 | Arafangion | Unless you want multiple monitors, in which case both are hit-and-miss, imho. :( |
| 02:06.25 | segers_j | has problems with a tainted kernel. |
| 02:06.53 | Arafangion | Fair enough. |
| 02:06.55 | segers_j | is easily scared, he guesses. |
| 02:07.02 | Arafangion | I would not want to use a tainted kernel for a server, for sure. |
| 02:07.30 | jmarsden | Arafangion: Um. The board you picked has onboard video anyway, so why would you buy a separate video card (of any brand!) for a server??? |
| 02:08.04 | Arafangion | jmarsden: You're reading that out of context - I've said it will be headless. :) |
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| 02:08.38 | jmarsden | Then the whole nvidia/ATI stuff is 100% irrelevant, so why is it in the thread? OK... |
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| 02:09.07 | segers_j | hahahahaha this is funny at this point. :) |
| 02:09.16 | Arafangion | Basically, I'm not likely to buy a brand new system and notice that either I can't install debian without work, or the chipset is incompatible or something's freaky with the SATA chipset? |
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| 02:09.33 | Arafangion | segers_j: Please remember this when you make an irrelevant point. :) |
| 02:09.48 | pakito | online boxing game http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html |
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| 02:10.14 | segers_j | yeah, it was my bad to begin with, sorry all. |
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| 02:13.12 | TuxKnowledge | how do I download a file via ssh |
| 02:13.37 | TuxKnowledge | I have a script I am working on and it is on my home PC which I am sshed into |
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| 02:14.51 | clarjon1 | TuxKnowledge: Use mc, or scp |
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| 02:15.32 | TuxKnowledge | thanks clarjon1 |
| 02:15.36 | clarjon1 | nods |
| 02:16.03 | clarjon1 | TuxKnowledge: Run either command on the local machine. If you go the mc method, just cd /#sh:user@host/ |
| 02:16.09 | clarjon1 | Then you can copy etc |
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| 02:17.23 | TuxKnowledge | duh I am a tard, I have X11 forwarding enabled. I can just run kdevelop& and open the script and then run an xterm to test it |
| 02:17.31 | clarjon1 | lol |
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| 02:20.34 | Arafangion | TuxKnowledge: Various editors also have ssh "filesystem" support, or you could use sftp or scp. |
| 02:20.42 | Arafangion | TuxKnowledge: So there's many ways! |
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| 02:22.41 | racecar56 | is there a GTK text editor that has the features kate has? (folding sections, line numbers, etc) |
| 02:23.05 | TuxKnowledge | anyone got any good resources for qt scripting for a bash script? |
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| 02:24.45 | mango_ | hi, I am running debian lenny on a dell m1330, I can not get my wifi to work allthough I installed the driver for it " b43-fwcutter" and the card name is BCM4312 802.11b/g ...please help |
| 02:24.48 | mango_ | thanks |
| 02:25.07 | Shockcore | i have installed xming |
| 02:25.16 | racecar56 | an hp laptop i have around with a bcm4318 works nicely with the ssb module |
| 02:25.22 | Shockcore | shit is hot :) |
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| 02:26.03 | TuxKnowledge | I am using xming on this machine right now |
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| 02:26.14 | TuxKnowledge | i have xming on all my windows machines |
| 02:26.23 | benedikt | mango_: if you are going to use ndiswrapper, the *.inf and stuff is availble at www.gurkubondi.net/d505/wlan |
| 02:26.33 | benjamindees | !network-admin |
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| 02:27.09 | benjamindees | !info gnome-network-admin |
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| 02:27.35 | mango_ | benedikt: would it be the only way to get it working? |
| 02:27.54 | docgnome | is there a emacs23 package for lenny? or is there a way to install the one from unstable in it? |
| 02:28.07 | benjamindees | !info gnome-system-tools |
| 02:28.10 | dpkg | gnome-system-tools: (Cross-platform configuration utilities for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.22.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4208 kB, Installed size: 9328 kB |
| 02:29.06 | benedikt | mango_: i am not sure. I used a computer with that, but i havent used it in the past year. it was the only way for me to get it working and support wpa2. Although I would prefer open drivers, but they just weren't availible (and probaly still aren't) |
| 02:29.07 | benjamindees | TuxKnowledge: supposedly that ^^ has a network-admin gui utility that will configure your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:29.22 | bpun | any zsh shell users here? |
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| 02:30.06 | ajavid | whoah! google is evil! |
| 02:30.12 | ajavid | but let me tell you why |
| 02:30.25 | TuxKnowledge | benjamindees, How is that tool different that wicd, nm-applet, or knetworkmannager |
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| 02:30.41 | TuxKnowledge | i have tried all 3 |
| 02:31.01 | mango_ | benedikt: ubuntu has an open driver for it...I believe it is the b43-fwcutter... I have installed it but I can not get to work. I think that i have still to load it but do not know how |
| 02:31.04 | mango_ | ? |
| 02:31.17 | ajavid | I installed google chrome (i downloaded a .deb) from google.com and installed it in sid. Today I just did aptitude update and check this out... Get:7 http://dl.google.com stable/main Packages [653B] |
| 02:31.20 | benjamindees | TuxKnowledge: it likely isn't but you asked for a GUI util |
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| 02:31.41 | ajavid | uhm... I mean, I know 3rd party pacakges are just... whatever... but come on, google is fucking with our systems. |
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| 02:31.50 | ajavid | and that my friends, is not right. |
| 02:31.56 | racecar56 | ajavid: you found out :D |
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| 02:32.02 | racecar56 | ajavid: i agree that they are evil |
| 02:32.12 | TuxKnowledge | benjamindees, fair play |
| 02:32.14 | benedikt | apt-get should loud it nice and fine. if not, you can load the module manually or just reboot. If not, then there is some problem with it and this card. I cannot remember why I went with ndiswrpaper but there was probably a reason for that. I ended up getting a intel card to be able to use open drivers. |
| 02:32.15 | ajavid | without my permission sources.list was modified |
| 02:32.23 | benedikt | mango_ |
| 02:32.24 | racecar56 | ajavid: yep... |
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| 02:33.43 | benjamindees | well to be fair that is the accepted way of performing updates in Debian isn't it? |
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| 02:34.08 | racecar56 | it's not nice to edit someone's sources.list |
| 02:34.09 | ajavid | what are you talking about? |
| 02:34.12 | ajavid | oh that |
| 02:34.20 | racecar56 | while they don't know it |
| 02:34.21 | benjamindees | I mean I would probably rather have a line in sources.list than that stupid firefox updater |
| 02:34.24 | ajavid | sure it is, but don't fuck with my system. |
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| 02:34.29 | ajavid | simple as that. |
| 02:34.48 | ajavid | postinst scripts here actually edit your sources.list and add the google source |
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| 02:37.11 | TuxKnowledge | anyone familiar with the kdialog command? |
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| 02:37.28 | jmarsden | ajavid: Would dropping those two lines into a file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google.list be more acceptable to you? |
| 02:38.25 | TuxKnowledge | I want to use kdialog --menu but how do I tell it what to do once an option is chosen |
| 02:38.29 | racecar56 | ajavid: that is quite related to "windows update" type of junk that google did |
| 02:39.16 | racecar56 | ajavid: to make more sense: what google did sounds like windows update type of junk |
| 02:39.22 | benjamindees | "If you select the first option (in this case American English and press OK, then kdialog will send the associated key (in this case the letter a) to standard output." |
| 02:39.50 | racecar56 | google could have at LEAST asked the user "Do you want to enable automatic updates?" |
| 02:40.04 | racecar56 | or similar |
| 02:40.24 | jmarsden | TuxKnowledge: See http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Shell_Scripting_with_KDE_Dialogs#Example_23._--menu_dialog_box |
| 02:40.48 | TuxKnowledge | thanks |
| 02:41.35 | benjamindees | everyone is on this kick now to sign people up for 'beneficial' stuff by default |
| 02:41.36 | jmarsden | TuxKnowledge: No problem. |
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| 02:41.55 | ajavid | jmarsden, no |
| 02:41.56 | racecar56 | by the way, is there a solution for the segfault from nautilus when opening properties window bug? |
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| 02:42.11 | benjamindees | software updates, death panels, etc... |
| 02:43.22 | jmarsden | ajavid: So it's not editing the file you are concerned about, it is... using an existing system facility for updates, rather than inventing its own alternative and probably worse one? |
| 02:44.04 | ajavid | jmarsden, no |
| 02:44.10 | ajavid | jmarsden, perhaps racecar56 can explain it for you |
| 02:44.21 | ajavid | I'm playing with my dog. |
| 02:44.36 | Arafangion | I think changing sources.list is quite reasonable, but Google should at least have made it very obvious. |
| 02:44.48 | Arafangion | At the least, provide a checklist for "Enable automatic updates". |
| 02:44.59 | ranix | what |
| 02:45.01 | Arafangion | Which they may well have done. |
| 02:45.03 | benjamindees | it's basically making future changes to your system and hiding that fact from you |
| 02:45.06 | ranix | no graphical configuration |
| 02:45.15 | ranix | graphical configuration has the aids, kill it with fire |
| 02:45.20 | ranix | edit sources.list |
| 02:45.36 | racecar56 | i think there should be a preference that is NOT on by default that adds the entry to the sources.list in google chrome |
| 02:45.36 | ajavid | if google is editing my sources.list without my permission |
| 02:45.42 | ajavid | how do you think I can trust them anymore |
| 02:45.49 | racecar56 | ajavid: yeah, agreed |
| 02:45.54 | ranix | ajavid: are you using gubuntu? |
| 02:45.54 | ajavid | regardless of the justifications you may present at this time |
| 02:46.06 | ajavid | it still does not mitigate that fact |
| 02:46.07 | djahandarie | ajavid, it was pretty cool how it just hooked in though. ;p |
| 02:46.12 | racecar56 | nobody likes it when their system is modified without their knowledge |
| 02:46.28 | racecar56 | they should at least have an option to turn it on/off |
| 02:46.30 | Arafangion | To clarify, the issue here is the "Without their knowledge" and "without permission" bit. |
| 02:46.32 | ajavid | racecar56, I'm pretty pissed off. No one to blame but me I suppose but damn google! |
| 02:46.38 | ajavid | Arafangion, bingo |
| 02:46.39 | Arafangion | Not that they're doing it at all. |
| 02:46.43 | ajavid | Arafangion, and hiding that fact from us |
| 02:46.51 | ajavid | Arafangion, had I not updated I never would have known. |
| 02:46.56 | benjamindees | are the packages signed at least? |
| 02:46.59 | djahandarie | ajavid, although probably not appropiate for a community of people who specifically give up that sort of stuff up |
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| 02:47.05 | ajavid | Arafangion, who knows what else they may or may not modify with root perms without my perms |
| 02:47.10 | Arafangion | ajavid: "hiding that fact" is the same as "without their knowledge", so no "and" there. |
| 02:47.21 | ranix | oh shit, I just read the scrollback |
| 02:47.21 | jmarsden | benjamindees: Changes to your operating system? The added Google repo contains new custom kernels, or other base system packages?? Really?! That would be bad. I think if you install third party software and it does what it needs to so it gets updates for itself, that's good practice. using an existing system paradignm for those updates is better than creating a new one just for this one app. |
| 02:47.27 | ranix | chrome is fucking with sources.list |
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| 02:47.44 | ranix | jmarsden: no fing way, it should not touch sources.list |
| 02:47.47 | ajavid | I'm not asking for support |
| 02:47.53 | dondelelcaro | lall |
| 02:47.55 | ranix | jmarsden: you should only ever do that manually |
| 02:47.56 | ajavid | I was giving people here a heads up on if they dcide to use gogle |
| 02:47.58 | ajavid | thats all |
| 02:48.05 | benjamindees | jmarsden, welcome to the 90's, a web browser is now part of the OS :p |
| 02:48.24 | Arafangion | benjamindees: Ironically, it's arguably no-longer part of MS's operating system(!) |
| 02:48.25 | ajavid | beware: google will modify your sources.list if you use any of their compiled debs, and maybe other stuff. |
| 02:48.32 | ranix | if it was part of the install process to manually modify sources.list, that would be one thing - but if I install a .deb by hand and it fucks with sources.list I would freak out |
| 02:48.40 | Arafangion | (They're finally making a version that doesn't have IE) |
| 02:48.48 | ajavid | dondelelcaro, ? |
| 02:49.01 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: typing mutt commands into the wrong window |
| 02:49.05 | ajavid | heh |
| 02:49.08 | benjamindees | Arafangion: yeah right by now they've carved IE up into a thousand functions littered all over the OS, there's no change |
| 02:49.23 | benjamindees | Arafangion: only the icon goes away |
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| 02:49.58 | ranix | chrome can suck my webos anyway |
| 02:50.05 | Arafangion | benjamindees: And Internet Explorer itself, which is something like 64KB or something, iirc. (I very much doubt they'll remove the renderer, etc) |
| 02:50.15 | ajavid | ranix, so you see where I'm coming from. Not as serious as 'freaking out' but I'm fairly worried, dissected the package, didn't find much else apart from sources.list |
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| 02:50.48 | ajavid | but anyway, heads up |
| 02:50.49 | ranix | ajavid: yeah, I would go "WTF", unpack the deb, and then put a general alert to #debian |
| 02:50.57 | ajavid | thats exactly what I did |
| 02:50.58 | ajavid | :) |
| 02:51.13 | benjamindees | raises the threat level to purple |
| 02:51.15 | ajavid | probably should have a factoid about this |
| 02:51.16 | ranix | might want to file a bug report against chrome, does google have an open bugtracker |
| 02:51.18 | zamuro | 11. Software updates |
| 02:51.19 | zamuro | 11.1 The Software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the Services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the Services. |
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| 02:51.37 | ajavid | zamuro, my mistake. I didn't read it all the way |
| 02:51.41 | ajavid | zamuro, nevermind then. |
| 02:51.44 | zamuro | It's on the agreement you're supposed to read before you install. |
| 02:51.44 | ajavid | carry on. |
| 02:51.54 | zamuro | Oh, OK. |
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| 02:52.08 | freeone3000 | They can't remove mshtml.dll - it's an integral component of WebBrowser in .NET |
| 02:52.15 | ajavid | ##windows |
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| 02:52.31 | racecar56 | remember, when you install software, be sure to read the license agreement as it mostly uncovers hidden evil-ness :P |
| 02:52.36 | ranix | that channel actually has people in it who are not useless, by the way |
| 02:53.36 | benjamindees | you agree to receive whatever rootkits or whatever they want to send you... |
| 02:53.40 | racecar56 | yeah |
| 02:53.51 | benjamindees | nice |
| 02:53.56 | racecar56 | :D |
| 02:54.32 | racecar56 | if the windows license says THIS SOFTWARE MUST NOT BE USED then many people are in trouble :P |
| 02:54.43 | zamuro | lol |
| 02:54.52 | zamuro | it should anyways |
| 02:54.55 | racecar56 | yeah |
| 02:55.28 | racecar56 | microsoft collcets your ip address so they know where you live so they can sue you for using it :P |
| 02:55.34 | racecar56 | that would be funny |
| 02:55.47 | racecar56 | *collects |
| 02:55.51 | ajavid | #debian-chat |
| 02:55.59 | racecar56 | will do |
| 02:56.01 | ajavid | offtopic |
| 02:56.06 | ajavid | !popcon |
| 02:56.06 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 02:56.24 | ajavid | I wonder if dpkg has a ruby install guide |
| 02:56.32 | bugjar | ~/join #debian-chat |
| 02:57.34 | freeone3000 | Is there a Mail Transfer Agent that will simply write input to a file? |
| 02:57.36 | ajavid | I mean rails |
| 02:57.44 | ajavid | freeone3000, I'm working on one |
| 02:57.48 | freeone3000 | Awesome. |
| 02:57.50 | ajavid | freeone3000, I'm doing it in python |
| 02:58.04 | freeone3000 | Cool. This is just for debugging a certain PHP script. |
| 02:58.15 | ajavid | freeone3000, it runs smtp server on localhost on whatever port, doesn't conflict with debian MTAs and simply catches all emails and writes to a file |
| 02:58.19 | ajavid | so you can test out your php scrips |
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| 02:58.22 | freeone3000 | ISP blocks raw SMTP. |
| 02:58.26 | ajavid | well |
| 02:58.28 | ajavid | how about this |
| 02:58.31 | freeone3000 | Though apparently, delivery some places works... |
| 02:58.32 | ajavid | I just discovered the other night |
| 02:58.33 | clarjon1 | wtf |
| 02:58.47 | ajavid | aptitude install postfix; sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow postfix |
| 02:59.07 | ajavid | run only localhost, give yourself a domain name, make one up, like, ajavid-desktop.com |
| 02:59.10 | freeone3000 | clarjon1: mail() returns true. no mail is found telnetting to a google server on port 25 has a connection terminated as soon as it pops up. |
| 02:59.21 | ajavid | go to /etc/hosts and point 127.0.0.1 ajavid-desktop.com |
| 02:59.31 | freeone3000 | ajavid: So if I mail it to username@localhost it'll send it to.. me? |
| 02:59.34 | ajavid | yes |
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| 02:59.38 | freeone3000 | Oh. Interesting. |
| 02:59.39 | ajavid | well |
| 02:59.48 | freeone3000 | That'll work just as well. Thanks. |
| 02:59.50 | ajavid | i would then be ajavid@ajavid-desktop.com |
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| 03:00.04 | ajavid | or root@ajavid-desktop.com |
| 03:00.08 | ajavid | etc. etc. |
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| 03:01.02 | ajavid | you can then have stuff inside your ~/MailDir |
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| 03:01.25 | freeone3000 | I've got exim4 installed and setup. ANd it works. Just didn't know about this cool thing where you can send email without POP or SMTP. |
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| 03:01.38 | ajavid | it is smtp |
| 03:01.52 | ajavid | you can't send any emails without mail transfer protocol |
| 03:01.55 | racecar56 | what's a way i can access a nfs filesystem? (i do not mean ntfs) |
| 03:02.05 | racecar56 | or, how do i use a nfs client |
| 03:02.09 | ajavid | ranix, is it exported on the server? |
| 03:02.33 | freeone3000 | racecar56: nfsclient? mount -t nfs? |
| 03:02.54 | ajavid | racecar56, exported on the server? |
| 03:03.32 | racecar56 | i have a nfs server running on another pc in this network, yes |
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| 03:03.45 | ajavid | racecar56, just mount it |
| 03:04.02 | racecar56 | ajavid: mont the ip address? |
| 03:04.04 | ajavid | racecar56, mount blah.com:/exported/shares /mount/point -t nfs |
| 03:04.05 | racecar56 | *mount |
| 03:04.09 | ajavid | ye |
| 03:04.11 | racecar56 | k |
| 03:04.26 | ajavid | you may wish to specify intr as a mount option |
| 03:04.40 | ajavid | otherwise if the connection breaks you'll be stuck |
| 03:05.02 | bpun | anyone here ever try the fishshell (apt-get instal fish) ? |
| 03:05.07 | bpun | looks sweet |
| 03:05.14 | racecar56 | ok i did mount 192.168.1.102:/ -t nfs mount/ -o intr and it hangs |
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| 03:05.33 | ajavid | dude |
| 03:05.38 | clarjon1 | takes a look |
| 03:05.39 | bugjar | no fish, just dish. |
| 03:05.42 | ajavid | what? |
| 03:05.50 | bpun | !fish |
| 03:05.50 | dpkg | [fish] Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered (also ask me about <fire>). Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell": http://fishshell.org |
| 03:05.53 | clarjon1 | bpun just caught a 5kg Electric Eel |
| 03:05.57 | clarjon1 | Brilliant! That breaks the old record of a 0kg Trout! bpun is the world's best! |
| 03:06.03 | Shockcore | how can we install remove packages from xfce desktop ??? |
| 03:06.10 | clarjon1 | !fire |
| 03:06.10 | dpkg | from memory, fire is "Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life" |
| 03:06.13 | ajavid | mount -t nfs -o intr 192.168.1.102:/ /mnt/nfs |
| 03:06.16 | clarjon1 | HAHAHAHA |
| 03:06.17 | bpun | ya got it.. "a friendly interactive shell" lol |
| 03:06.19 | clarjon1 | i like that! |
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| 03:06.20 | racecar56 | lol |
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| 03:06.34 | racecar56 | "Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life" WIN |
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| 03:06.50 | ajavid | !windows |
| 03:06.50 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 03:06.53 | racecar56 | lol |
| 03:07.00 | clarjon1 | cooool |
| 03:07.03 | bpun | clarjon1, it's an app |
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| 03:07.21 | bpun | clarjon1, u dont need to pm me.. i never bother to edit the factoid |
| 03:07.35 | clarjon1 | i didn't pm you... |
| 03:07.49 | bpun | clarjon1, whatever kid |
| 03:07.51 | ajavid | !u |
| 03:07.51 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:08.00 | bpun | ignores clarjon1 |
| 03:08.09 | clarjon1 | raises an eyebrow |
| 03:08.12 | clarjon1 | I was saying cool to fish |
| 03:08.15 | ajavid | bpun, be nice |
| 03:08.28 | clarjon1 | I think it'd be a nice way to introduce my mom to the terminal lol |
| 03:08.30 | bpun | ajavid, he pm'ed me about !\trophy |
| 03:08.35 | clarjon1 | eh? |
| 03:08.45 | clarjon1 | ! |
| 03:08.46 | ajavid | clarjon1, its either bpun or bzed, one of them acts like a prick here. |
| 03:08.47 | clarjon1 | oh |
| 03:08.55 | clarjon1 | I have a !\trophy script installed in my xchat |
| 03:09.11 | bpun | ajavid, check the factoid |
| 03:09.11 | clarjon1 | as well as a !\hunt :P |
| 03:09.19 | ajavid | bpun, not interested. Be nice. |
| 03:09.28 | ajavid | please |
| 03:09.33 | bpun | ajavid, well i dont like people pm me |
| 03:09.48 | ajavid | no one does. Don't react, kindly respond. |
| 03:10.08 | bpun | ajavid, and i did. i'm ignoring him |
| 03:10.19 | ajavid | also no need to publically advertise who you are ignoring |
| 03:10.34 | clarjon1 | bpun: I didn't mean to pm you, it's a script i've got enabled |
| 03:10.55 | ajavid | bpun, mistakes happen, and you should be tolerant enough of your fellow debianite. |
| 03:11.26 | clarjon1 | bpun: I forgot I had it installed, from when I copied my .xchat2 over from my previous install :P |
| 03:11.35 | ajavid | moving on |
| 03:11.39 | adb | clarjon1, anyways stop you script |
| 03:11.43 | clarjon1 | adb: I did |
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| 03:11.47 | ajavid | good stuff |
| 03:11.49 | adfasdf | hello |
| 03:11.52 | ajavid | hi |
| 03:12.03 | clarjon1 | I also deleted it so it' won't autostart on next xchat load |
| 03:12.04 | djahandarie | After I updated kernel/nvidia, a certain program I used stopped displaying fonts... is there any way I can debug this? |
| 03:12.12 | ajavid | clarjon1, use irssi! |
| 03:12.24 | racecar56 | irssi's logs are jumbly :\ |
| 03:12.26 | clarjon1 | ajavid: I do on the shell i use. |
| 03:12.32 | adfasdf | What could cause your system to act bogged down when you do simple stuff like down load a small txt document? I'm running lenny 2.26.1 kernel |
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| 03:12.38 | racecar56 | it crams all the logs into 1 file >:\ |
| 03:12.44 | ajavid | clarjon1, I use irssi all the tim everwhere |
| 03:12.48 | clarjon1 | shrugs |
| 03:12.59 | adfasdf | Music skips when i for example download a file, Core 2 duo 2 gigs memory |
| 03:13.00 | racecar56 | that is, all the logs for each channel go into 1 file |
| 03:13.02 | djahandarie | I use irssi as well |
| 03:13.06 | ajavid | racecar56, no they don't |
| 03:13.10 | djahandarie | racecar56, that's not correct |
| 03:13.11 | ajavid | racecar56, configure your client properly |
| 03:13.21 | ajavid | racecar56, #irssi and /help |
| 03:13.24 | racecar56 | ajavid, djahandarie: for me they do |
| 03:13.28 | racecar56 | ajavid, djahandarie: ok |
| 03:13.30 | bpun | adfasdf, 2.2 << you kidding right? |
| 03:13.32 | benjamindees | adfasdf: poor network driver |
| 03:13.41 | bpun | adfasdf, i dont believe ur using kernel 2.2 |
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| 03:13.47 | benjamindees | adfasdf: hardware problem |
| 03:13.51 | racecar56 | 2.2? xD |
| 03:13.58 | adfasdf | 2.6.26.1 sorry |
| 03:14.02 | racecar56 | ok |
| 03:14.06 | ajavid | 2.26.1 |
| 03:14.06 | bpun | adfasdf, phew.. u scared me there |
| 03:14.06 | adfasdf | hehe |
| 03:14.12 | ajavid | any one could have added 2+2 together |
| 03:14.13 | racecar56 | 2.2's last version is from 2004... |
| 03:14.14 | ajavid | ... |
| 03:14.22 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 03:14.36 | clarjon1 | I remember the 2.2 series :D |
| 03:14.43 | ajavid | lenny and 2.26.1 == not typed correctly, but really... you guys had to actually say that stuff about 2.2 ? |
| 03:14.46 | ajavid | really? |
| 03:14.50 | ajavid | *sigh* fucking irc. |
| 03:14.53 | racecar56 | even 2.4 is more modern, it's still being fixed up every so often |
| 03:14.53 | adb | adfasdf, uname -a , says ? |
| 03:14.54 | clarjon1 | I got into linux back when 2.4 was 'experimental' |
| 03:14.55 | adfasdf | well i recently resized my partition..could that be it? I used gparted on a live ubuntu session |
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| 03:15.07 | adfasdf | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
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| 03:16.06 | adfasdf | Linux enock 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 17:57:00 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 03:16.20 | djahandarie | adfasdf, is the file mounted off of a network or local? |
| 03:16.28 | adfasdf | no it's local |
| 03:16.44 | adfasdf | i'm gonna switch browsers and see what that does first |
| 03:16.44 | djahandarie | adfasdf, are there any other programs running that could be creating a lot of I/O? |
| 03:17.11 | djahandarie | adfasdf... browsers? What's wrong with wget |
| 03:17.14 | bugjar | fish - interesing. aggravatd that i |
| 03:17.23 | adfasdf | internet browser |
| 03:17.35 | bugjar | 've gotta go look out for my .zshrc on all my machines to keep them up to date. |
| 03:17.41 | adb | adfasdf, install 2.6.26-2*-amd64 , for security reasons |
| 03:17.50 | djahandarie | adfasdf, wget should work fine for testing network latency |
| 03:17.55 | djahandarie | And yes, upgrade your kernel |
| 03:18.23 | bugjar | adfasdf : top? |
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| 03:19.30 | adfasdf | rhythembox is taking 6-12 percent.. |
| 03:20.30 | adb | adfasdf, which processor ? |
| 03:20.41 | bugjar | that's not outrageous - others? iceweasel is a weasel |
| 03:20.49 | clarjon1 | doesn't like iceweasel |
| 03:20.50 | clarjon1 | :P |
| 03:21.15 | adfasdf | core 2 duo 1.67 Ghz |
| 03:21.26 | clarjon1 | it kept dying on the CMS that our work uses |
| 03:21.28 | adb | clarjon1, all list you don't like something .. |
| 03:21.30 | clarjon1 | so i grabbed Shiretoko |
| 03:21.40 | clarjon1 | (Firefox nightly build) |
| 03:21.40 | adfasdf | here's my top http://pastebin.com/m4c87bffa |
| 03:22.01 | clarjon1 | adb: I don't like iceweasel because it prevents me from doing my job :P |
| 03:22.20 | adb | hjob ? |
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| 03:22.29 | clarjon1 | adb: paying job |
| 03:22.42 | adb | nice |
| 03:22.53 | clarjon1 | boss is pro-opensource too :D |
| 03:23.17 | adfasdf | well i switched to opera and there's no lagging |
| 03:23.26 | adfasdf | let me check what iceweazle verison i have |
| 03:23.34 | clarjon1 | ! |
| 03:23.54 | clarjon1 | adfasdf: make sure the cpufreq stuff is installed, and something like powernowd, and make sure you're added to the power* group |
| 03:24.13 | adfasdf | ok |
| 03:24.45 | clarjon1 | adfasdf: that drastically improved performance for me . |
| 03:24.46 | adfasdf | my cpu scales to 800 mhz when not in use |
| 03:24.49 | Arrowmaster | you shouldnt need an of that |
| 03:25.01 | adb | adfasdf, grep power /etc/group |
| 03:25.18 | clarjon1 | i think the group is something like powerdev |
| 03:25.40 | adb | powerdev:x:. |
| 03:25.40 | bugjar | adfasdf : i see nothing outstanding, but iceweasel/firefox-bin is a hog. i periodically restart it to regain 60% free ram. i'm not familiar with the AMD hardware |
| 03:25.40 | clarjon1 | yep |
| 03:25.40 | clarjon1 | powerdev |
| 03:25.40 | adfasdf | 116 and my username |
| 03:26.01 | clarjon1 | adds himself to all the groups |
| 03:26.12 | adfasdf | should i be running ia64 instead of amd64 |
| 03:26.24 | Arrowmaster | the kernel will do all the cpu scaling, you dont need to install any daemon to handle scaling |
| 03:26.36 | adb | adfasdf, you re log in ? |
| 03:26.40 | clarjon1 | Arrowmaster: I had to, for kpowersave :P |
| 03:26.58 | adb | adfasdf, nah , amd64 is ok |
| 03:27.00 | Arrowmaster | then its a problem with the app |
| 03:27.30 | clarjon1 | Arrowmaster: it's dependant on powernowd etc, to detect the plug status on my laptop :P |
| 03:27.33 | ajavid | hey |
| 03:27.47 | adb | hey is a noise here |
| 03:27.50 | ajavid | how to find out the actual amount of used and cached RAM by 1 certain process |
| 03:28.02 | ajavid | hey hey hey hey hey |
| 03:28.07 | ajavid | hey hey |
| 03:28.10 | ajavid | :) |
| 03:28.11 | clarjon1 | Arrowmaster: Plus, you can manually set the cpu frequency policy with the tool, if you have the powernowd and be in the powerdev group |
| 03:28.12 | bugjar | straw? |
| 03:28.18 | ajavid | no thats hay |
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| 03:28.24 | clarjon1 | horses! |
| 03:28.37 | ajavid | fat albert! hey hey hey! |
| 03:28.46 | ajavid | no but seriously though, any idea |
| 03:28.47 | clarjon1 | I'm gonna sing a song for youuuuuuuu |
| 03:28.51 | Arrowmaster | clarjon1: i can do that already just by using cpufreq-set |
| 03:28.54 | adfasdf | would you gusy recommend selinux? |
| 03:29.05 | ajavid | adfasdf, do you know what it is? |
| 03:29.08 | clarjon1 | Arrowmaster: I like having it done automagically when I unplug my lappy. |
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| 03:29.19 | adfasdf | yeah it allows processes to only do what their supposed to right? |
| 03:29.27 | adfasdf | or something like that |
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| 03:29.31 | adb | adfasdf, logout / log in, for now |
| 03:29.50 | adb | for powerdev take effect |
| 03:29.56 | sandman | Can anyone provide me with a command that reads back the bandwidth capacity up and down on a particular network interface? |
| 03:30.04 | sandman | Something that actually tests the bandwidth, sorta? |
| 03:30.31 | Arrowmaster | you need a remote host to test actual line throughput |
| 03:30.36 | benjamindees | ftp |
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| 03:31.45 | clarjon1 | Arrowmaster: Also, s2ram refused to work for me till i added myself to powerdev and install powernowd |
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| 03:32.12 | clarjon1 | heads off to bed |
| 03:32.19 | clarjon1 | time for me to s2ram myself lol |
| 03:32.44 | adb | clarjon1, here works, BUT how to resume / come back ... hehe |
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| 03:33.34 | clarjon1 | adb: I found (The hard way) that my 64bit proc doesn't like resuming to a 32bit linux for some reason :P So 64bit kernel works just fine :P |
| 03:33.36 | clarjon1 | anywho |
| 03:33.37 | clarjon1 | nite all |
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| 03:35.01 | adfasdf | my campus' wireless netowrk is insecure shoudl i look into iptables? |
| 03:35.14 | AruNatsu | if i install debian AMD64 port, can i still use it as a 32-bit system? |
| 03:35.31 | AruNatsu | or do i have to use i386 release? |
| 03:37.43 | freeone3000 | You'll have to install 32-bit libraries for all of your 32-bit programs, which means double-repositories. |
| 03:37.59 | freeone3000 | Unless you want to forgo 32-bit, which means no flash. |
| 03:38.53 | clarjon1 | eh? |
| 03:38.59 | clarjon1 | looks at his firefox |
| 03:39.07 | clarjon1 | looks at the flash running |
| 03:39.09 | clarjon1 | o.O |
| 03:39.15 | clarjon1 | you saying that it's running 32bit flash? |
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| 03:39.49 | freeone3000 | If it's running Adobe's version. |
| 03:40.03 | ajavid | there is 75bit flasah |
| 03:40.19 | bugjar | no 64bit version for adobe flash |
| 03:40.19 | ajavid | install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:40.23 | ajavid | who says |
| 03:40.24 | clarjon1 | ajavid: I want that one! |
| 03:40.31 | clarjon1 | i want 75 bit! lol |
| 03:40.34 | ajavid | i mean 64bit |
| 03:40.38 | clarjon1 | i know |
| 03:40.40 | bugjar | i keep getting asked that for my rhel4 boxes |
| 03:40.44 | clarjon1 | wants a 75bit computer now :P |
| 03:40.51 | ajavid | bugjar, seriously |
| 03:41.11 | clarjon1 | ajavid: I thought that was 64bit flash in the repos |
| 03:41.19 | ajavid | 64-bit Adobe Flash Player 10 for Linux operating systems was released on 7/30/09. |
| 03:41.21 | Arrowmaster | there is |
| 03:41.22 | ajavid | clarjon1, no |
| 03:41.25 | bugjar | ajavid - they want flash for their 64bit rhel |
| 03:41.29 | simonrvn | 72 |
| 03:41.29 | ajavid | there is no 64bit flash o adboe in the repo |
| 03:41.34 | clarjon1 | oooh |
| 03:41.38 | clarjon1 | so it's the 32bit one |
| 03:41.40 | clarjon1 | :P |
| 03:41.40 | freeone3000 | Oh? Really. Cool. |
| 03:41.41 | bugjar | ajavid ah? |
| 03:41.43 | ajavid | this pacakge includes a downloader script |
| 03:41.43 | ajavid | no |
| 03:41.45 | ajavid | ... ffs. |
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| 03:41.55 | clarjon1 | stop confusing my tired mind! lol |
| 03:42.05 | ajavid | this pacakge includes a downloader script which downloads the 64bit adobe flash player from adobe.com |
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| 03:42.10 | clarjon1 | ok |
| 03:42.16 | clarjon1 | ty |
| 03:42.17 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 03:42.20 | bugjar | ajavid, interesting. will relook for it. don't think i looked in august, tho |
| 03:42.21 | ajavid | flashplayer-mozilla <- THIS package uses nspluginwrapper and 32bit flash |
| 03:42.24 | Arrowmaster | stop confusing them |
| 03:42.29 | Arrowmaster | jud flashplayer-nonfree |
| 03:42.34 | Arrowmaster | judd flashplayer-nonfree |
| 03:42.35 | judd | Arrowmaster: Error: "flashplayer-nonfree" is not a valid command. |
| 03:42.50 | adb | !flashplayer-nonfree |
| 03:42.54 | ajavid | I didn't say anything confusing |
| 03:42.58 | Arrowmaster | judd flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:42.58 | clarjon1 | judd: that's the package to search for in the repos |
| 03:42.59 | judd | Arrowmaster: Error: "flashplugin-nonfree" is not a valid command. |
| 03:42.59 | ajavid | judd versions flashplayer-nonfree |
| 03:43.00 | judd | clarjon1: Error: "that's" is not a valid command. |
| 03:43.01 | judd | ajavid: flashplayer-nonfree -- |
| 03:43.06 | clarjon1 | oooh |
| 03:43.09 | ajavid | judd versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:43.09 | clarjon1 | judd is a bot |
| 03:43.10 | judd | ajavid: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.7 sid/contrib: 1:2.8 |
| 03:43.11 | judd | clarjon1: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 03:43.23 | ajavid | please don't hilight the bot |
| 03:43.28 | clarjon1 | sry |
| 03:43.57 | clarjon1 | thought that the bot was a confused person trying to run package names as commands >.< |
| 03:44.05 | clarjon1 | is quite tired |
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| 03:44.15 | ajavid | cat /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:44.21 | benjamindees | thought the same thing |
| 03:44.21 | Arrowmaster | flashplayer-mozilla in dmm doesnt even work |
| 03:44.24 | clarjon1 | I have flashplugin-nonfree from backports |
| 03:44.27 | ajavid | change between |
| 03:45.07 | ajavid | $>cat /usr/share/bug/flashplugin-nonfree/script |
| 03:45.38 | Arrowmaster | well the one in dmm experimental might since i think its 64bit too, but the one in stable,testing,unstable uses nspluginwrapper which ive never been able to get to work |
| 03:45.41 | ajavid | optionally lintian-overrides |
| 03:45.45 | simonrvn | judd versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:45.45 | judd | simonrvn: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.7 sid/contrib: 1:2.8 |
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| 03:45.58 | simonrvn | ask how to use it ;) |
| 03:46.12 | ajavid | simonrvn, I just did that |
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| 03:47.10 | ajavid | ls -l /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/ |
| 03:47.16 | ajavid | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.6M 2009-07-29 19:44 libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz |
| 03:47.26 | ajavid | Linux ajavid-desktop 2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Aug 17 08:42:50 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 03:47.31 | ajavid | this is Lenny. |
| 03:47.34 | ajavid | enjoy |
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| 03:49.49 | clarjon1 | enjoys |
| 03:49.57 | ajavid | update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so 50 |
| 03:50.29 | clarjon1 | 64bit flash is a lot smoother than 32bit flash, i've found |
| 03:50.37 | bugjar | wacked. why is it that i cannot select text from aptitude running inside a gnome-terminal window, even tho i CAN select text from within the window at the shell prompt? |
| 03:50.48 | adfasdf | is it possible to be connect to two netowkrs at once? a lan network and then a wan network? |
| 03:51.06 | bugjar | adfasdf : multi-homing |
| 03:51.06 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.06 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.11 | simonrvn | bugjar: try using shift |
| 03:51.19 | ajavid | read through the install scripts |
| 03:51.28 | ajavid | pretty alright information there if you want to learn about debian |
| 03:51.41 | bugjar | simonrvn : thanks. works nicely. why why why? |
| 03:52.33 | simonrvn | i don't know, but it's a unix-ism |
| 03:52.38 | ajavid | downloadurl=http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/$downloadfile |
| 03:52.47 | ajavid | downloadfile=fp10.i386.pgp.asc |
| 03:52.51 | ajavid | ... |
| 03:53.18 | ajavid | http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/ |
| 03:53.23 | ajavid | ahh there is a readme there |
| 03:53.54 | clarjon1 | bugjar: As i recall (fuzzily) the gnome terminal will turn web urls into clickable links. So, i think it's setup so you have to hit shift to tell the terminal you want to select text, not click links. |
| 03:53.59 | ajavid | version for lenny, amd64 Adobe experimental |
| 03:54.58 | bugjar | clarjon1 : maybe i never told it what to do... it never opened anything. i'm just as happy to slect and paste |
| 03:55.08 | ajavid | ahh cool |
| 03:55.11 | ajavid | nifty script |
| 03:55.14 | simonrvn | nah, i can select those fine without the shift in screen |
| 03:55.17 | adb | so, how to resume , after s2ram command ? |
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| 03:55.46 | clarjon1 | adb: I just open my laptop lid, or tap the powerbutton, and she comes back up |
| 03:55.52 | clarjon1 | adb: or hit keys on the keyboard |
| 03:56.24 | adb | ah , me keyboard is desabled |
| 03:56.31 | adb | my * |
| 03:56.39 | clarjon1 | or the mouse |
| 03:56.47 | adb | mouse too |
| 03:57.00 | clarjon1 | give the power button a quick press |
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| 03:57.49 | adb | tried , but , i'll redo it , tanks clarjon1 |
| 03:58.02 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.06 | clarjon1 | adb: check your BIOS, it may say how it'll awaken from sleep mode :P |
| 03:58.21 | clarjon1 | BIOS/CMOS |
| 03:58.35 | adb | ah , that one , not checked |
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| 04:11.26 | Dominicus | Is it possible to install Windows Vista in a partition set aside for window vista, AFTER installing Debian? |
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| 04:12.18 | Arafangion | Dominicus: Perhaps, after doing some crazy stuff with grub. :) |
| 04:12.35 | kaizoku | You'll have to reinstall grub from a livecd or something like that though |
| 04:12.43 | Arafangion | True. |
| 04:12.44 | kaizoku | Windows always installs it's boot loader on the disk |
| 04:12.47 | benjamindees | yeah at the very least you would have to reinstall grub |
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| 04:13.09 | kaizoku | Why Vista? |
| 04:13.15 | kaizoku | Windows 7 is way better :p |
| 04:13.32 | Arafangion | It's several hundred dollars. |
| 04:13.36 | Arafangion | He may already have Vista. |
| 04:13.50 | adb | !ot |
| 04:13.50 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 04:14.15 | adb | all that Windows craps |
| 04:14.41 | kaizoku | Sorry :/ |
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| 04:23.29 | kaizoku | omg |
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| 04:23.38 | kaizoku | Sorry |
| 04:23.43 | kaizoku | Stupid putty |
| 04:25.28 | Arrowmaster | grr why is my dmraid not being activated with -Z anymore on boot |
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| 04:26.32 | Dominicus | Actually, I do have a copy of Vista Ultimate, because I get the free upgrade to 7 when it's released. |
| 04:27.18 | Dominicus | But, I was trying to plan out how evil the Windows OS behaves against a hard drive with Debian installed already. I've never installed OS' in that order before. So, I'm just trying to anticipate the problems. |
| 04:27.49 | Arrowmaster | windows will always overwrite the mbr on install |
| 04:27.56 | muddd | yeah, stingy bastard |
| 04:28.09 | muddd | no consideration |
| 04:28.43 | Dominicus | So, what's involved in putting grub back after it gets butchered? Is that difficult? |
| 04:29.12 | adb | !fixmbr |
| 04:29.12 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>. |
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| 04:29.22 | muddd | wow |
| 04:29.38 | muddd | are you reinstalling windows? |
| 04:30.05 | Dominicus | You can always tell the nuisance questions that are asked so much, the knowledgable are compelled to turn it into a bot response. =) |
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| 04:31.15 | muddd | before I reinstall windows I do dd if=/dev/hda of=mbr.img bs=512 count=1 and put it back after all is done |
| 04:31.43 | Dominicus | muddd: Built a new box, i7 920, 12 gigs of ram. I want to see how much I can do under Intel's VT extensions, but if I absolutely need to, I'd like to be able to use Vista/7 as a fallback. Besides, the Mrs. isn't too savvy with linux. |
| 04:32.23 | Dominicus | adb: Thanks for that grub reinstall info. |
| 04:32.38 | adb | yw |
| 04:32.39 | Arafangion | Dominicus: It should be plenty fast enough for you. While I haven't used an i7, I think I've done enough research to be able to say that the big performance hits you will have are: |
| 04:33.10 | Arafangion | Dominicus: Your HDD IO will be (much?) slower, and you won't have 3D accelerated video in the guest. |
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| 04:34.00 | Arafangion | Dominicus: As a result, for my system (I'm considering a Xeon 5520), I'm either going to get a bunch of HDD's and stripe them all, or give the VM its own HDD if I can. |
| 04:34.25 | Arafangion | Dominicus: Probably end up doing the RAID option, though. (Software RAID) |
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| 04:37.00 | simonrvn | Dominicus: yes, that, or go nuts with the repeated questions. re: bot response |
| 04:37.15 | Dominicus | Arafangion: If anything, I'll be trying to run my own windows stuff like WoW and TF2 using WINE. The Mrs. doesn't play games. But, she would be more comfortable with Windows. So, I may just set her up with a link/script to throw up a virtual machine with seamless integration for her account. And, last I knew, virtualbox had some sort of accelerated graphics, but it didn't support pixel shaders or |
| 04:37.21 | Dominicus | propoer graphics adapter feature reporting. But, eh. My only interest is in running stuff in Winblows when I absolutely have to. Pissing off the Mrs. the least, and playing my games when I need to play my games. =) |
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| 04:37.36 | Dominicus | simonrvn: LOL. That would drive the regular folks like adb insane I would imagine. |
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| 04:37.55 | OpenTokix | Nothing like waking up at 5:50am by nagios |
| 04:38.06 | simonrvn | adb is new here ;p |
| 04:38.38 | simonrvn | (he's not a newbie though ;) |
| 04:38.56 | Dominicus | simonrvn: Well, somehow adb pays WAY more attention than me. Because I never know what the debian channel bot has to offer, or how often it's updated. |
| 04:39.13 | Arafangion | Dominicus: It may be worth simply considering crossover wine if they claim to suppose those apps, or dualbooting. |
| 04:39.41 | Arafangion | Dominicus: The tricky thing are the games. |
| 04:39.58 | simonrvn | Dominicus: as often as needed |
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| 04:41.05 | Dominicus | Dominicus: Yeah, crossover is a consideration. I still have the remaining year on their linux client from that bet they had with the public. But, they are a strong contender for making stuff work, and if it means they contribute back to the wine project, I'm up for spending the cash if it meant my cash would mean an indirect contribution to open source. I'm all for it. |
| 04:42.11 | Arafangion | Dominicus: Basically, Vmware or VirtualBox will do anything you like except for the gaming. |
| 04:42.28 | simonrvn | i.e. i trust adb's judgement on this stuff. he's personable and knowledgable (sp?) |
| 04:42.31 | Arafangion | Dominicus: But I'd probably run it in full-screen mode. |
| 04:43.22 | Dominicus | Arafangion: Yeah, definitely. I'm still in favor of virtualbox though. I'm not a vmware fanboi. |
| 04:43.29 | Arafangion | Dominicus: I did play around with VPC with it's "rootless" mode or whatever they called it (Seamless mode?), but it had issues - that may have been because I was using dual monitors (of different sizes). |
| 04:44.05 | Arafangion | Dominicus: I'm planning on getting a Mac Pro... I'll probably end up getting Parallels. |
| 04:44.22 | Arafangion | Oops, I've never used VPC... |
| 04:44.26 | Arafangion | I meant VirtualBox, then. |
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| 04:44.36 | hopper_irc | can anyone tell me how to install google chrome in debian 5 |
| 04:44.53 | ajavid | hopper_irc, you can't |
| 04:45.06 | hopper_irc | why |
| 04:45.10 | ajavid | hopper_irc, at least not without a lot of trouble |
| 04:45.27 | hopper_irc | ajavid: please explain |
| 04:45.32 | ajavid | hopper_irc, its unstable, 386 only, and requires latest version of libs etc. which are not in stable |
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| 04:45.53 | ajavid | you can however install it in sid, but I don't recommend running sid for just a browser |
| 04:46.08 | hopper_irc | ajavid: thanks |
| 04:46.10 | ajavid | hopper_irc, you can setup a 32 bit sid chroot and install it there |
| 04:46.19 | ajavid | I do that, and it works... though for me it segfaults. |
| 04:46.25 | Arafangion | ajavid: I often wonder why a 32-bit sid chroot isn't actually the common way of using sid. |
| 04:46.31 | Dominicus | Dominicus: I love what apple did to move towards the linux/unix stuff. But, I can't stand it when you make a custom modification to the system, then their Software Update service overwrites your custom changes and doesn't tell you that it did it, and doesn't even bother to backup your custom modded system files. Otherwise, they've made excellent headway on bringing the *nix to the masses. |
| 04:46.40 | adb | Dominicus, take a look at reactos.org , they use a wine fork to do a free windows OS |
| 04:46.41 | Arafangion | Dominicus: Do you often talk to yourself that way? ;) |
| 04:46.44 | hopper_irc | ajavid: thanks |
| 04:46.48 | ajavid | np |
| 04:46.57 | Arafangion | Dominicus: Well, that makes sense. :) |
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| 04:47.13 | Arafangion | Dominicus: You do not change the system. Why would you? |
| 04:48.01 | Dominicus | Arafangion: No, just tonight. Diagnosing a debian amd64 netinst iso with a kernel that doesn't like my optical drive will do that to you. |
| 04:48.35 | Arafangion | Dominicus: I've just ordered two 64-bit systems for debian... Hope I don't have to do the same. :( |
| 04:48.50 | Arafangion | Infact, I might as well download the latest DVD... (Just DVD 1... I'm not that insane) |
| 04:49.01 | Arafangion | prefers offline installations for the initial setup |
| 04:50.06 | Dominicus | Arafangion: If you get a bunch of nuisance issues with not being able to mount the iso that you're already booted up from, you'll want to grab a daily build instead of one of the long standing stable versions. But that'll probably put you at Testing instead of Stable, but you'll at least have a system that works. |
| 04:50.09 | Arafangion | Is there any difference between amd64 and i386 for such a system? (They only have 2GB RAM...) |
| 04:50.35 | Arafangion | Dominicus: And why might it not be able to mount the iso? |
| 04:50.36 | Dominicus | Arafangion: I run Testing anyway, so it doesn't affect me otherwise. |
| 04:50.49 | Arafangion | Dominicus: I will be wanting stable. :( |
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| 04:51.55 | Dominicus | Arafangion: Apparently, kernel device support fixes. The one I was using was 5.0.3 (2.6.26) and the daily is running (2.6.30). It was enough of a device support change to make things go from "WTF" to "YEAH BABY!". |
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| 04:53.13 | Arafangion | I suppose I could use testing's netinst and then install from stable's DVD1. |
| 04:53.23 | Arafangion | (Right?) |
| 04:53.39 | Arafangion | And then upgrade the kernel. |
| 04:53.50 | Dominicus | Arafangion: Aside from that, if you have a way of getting the system onto the harddrives either via thumbdrive, floppy, or optical drive (older model that might be more supported than a relatively new model), you'll get your system installed with Stable, and you'll just have to upgrade your system from there and wait for a kernel that comes around and fixes your optical drive issues like I had to |
| 04:53.56 | Dominicus | deal with. |
| 04:54.22 | Dominicus | Arafangion: I'm not sure how that would work. |
| 04:55.03 | Arafangion | I guess I could Try It And See. |
| 04:55.12 | Arafangion | Try Stable, and then Testing, in that order. |
| 04:55.18 | Arafangion | Testing will eventually become stable, anyway. |
| 04:57.19 | Dominicus | Arafangion: Yes, that's the wonderful thing at least. But, isn't there talk of that taking like 18-24 months? At least with the Canonical dude Mark Shuttleworth pushing for the 18 month release cycle to coincide with Ubuntu at least. Does anyone know if that's being adopted? The 18 month release cycle that is. |
| 04:57.28 | Arafangion | I'm correct in wanting AMD64, rather than the other 64-bit one? |
| 04:57.47 | Wooga | is there any way of making NetworkManager manage the listed in /etc/network/interfaces devices? |
| 04:57.52 | Arafangion | Dominicus: I just want low maintenance. :) These are going to be file servers. |
| 04:57.54 | benjamindees | yes nobody uses itanium |
| 04:57.55 | bpun | Arafangion, is it possible to wrong on what you want? |
| 04:58.06 | Dominicus | Arafangion: yeah, amd64. Not the IA64. got screwed by that issue for like 4 days before someone told me I had the wrong one. |
| 04:58.26 | bpun | Wooga, see its manpage |
| 04:58.42 | bpun | Wooga, networkmanager was made so that users can store settings.. |
| 05:00.00 | Arafangion | Dominicus: The debian-amd64-howto.html is remarkably good. |
| 05:00.05 | Wooga | bpun: can't see there any forcing options |
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| 05:01.03 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, what do i do when a package requires something that is b.s. and it doesn't need it. i want to continue using a package but it keeps wanting to uninstall itself because of an unmet dependency |
| 05:01.07 | Arafangion | Hmm, I like the way Debian did 64-bit support. I was hoping that they didn't do the /lib64 bit route. |
| 05:01.11 | bpun | Wooga, dpkg -L NetworkManager |less |
| 05:01.15 | mick_laptop | even though it is quite usable w/o it |
| 05:01.17 | Arafangion | That is, I like it being "pure". |
| 05:01.18 | bpun | !NetworkManager |
| 05:01.19 | dpkg | NetworkManager: Network management framework daemon. Squeeze/testing users: ask me about <nm testing>. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions. Backported 0.7.1 packages available, ask me about <bpo>. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ #nm on irc.freenode.net. See also <wireless conncetion managers>. |
| 05:01.19 | Dominicus | Arafangion: Eh. I've still always enjoyed the Gentoo HOWTO documents way more than the Debian ones. It almost feels like there's too many different versions of the Debian ones and not enough consistency between them. |
| 05:01.48 | mick_laptop | i used some ignore flag w/ dpkg and i got it to install, just want to make that ignore permanent |
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| 05:02.16 | mick_laptop | it is regarding libkonq4 being missing, but i have libkonq5 which works just as well |
| 05:02.16 | adb | !hold |
| 05:02.16 | dpkg | hmm... hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 05:02.25 | Arafangion | Dominicus: Gentoo's impressive, but not my thing. |
| 05:02.46 | mick_laptop | sweet, thanks! |
| 05:02.59 | adb | mick_laptop, yw |
| 05:03.30 | bpun | Wooga, apparently i'm quite clueless about it.. i hope that wikipage can help (i dont use networkmanager) |
| 05:03.30 | Wooga | bpun: there is only said that debian guys modified it so it can't manage devices in interfaces file. still can't find any options overriding such behaviour |
| 05:03.47 | bpun | Wooga, did u read what the dpkg bot said? |
| 05:03.48 | Dominicus | Dominicus: I really REALLY enjoyed Gentoo. Especially the multiple versions of packages in their repository. So, if you ever had a problem with one version, you could step up or down to "almost" any version you wanted/needed. It was just the compilation times that was annoying as hell after having installed so many packages for a beefy system that I just found myself compiling more than I used it. |
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| 05:04.01 | Wooga | bpun: grepped on interfaces keyword |
| 05:04.03 | Dominicus | Arafangion: Ah damn that Dominicus guy. |
| 05:04.06 | bpun | Wooga, check the wikipage |
| 05:04.24 | bpun | Wooga, ^^ can u see what dpkg> (the username in this channel) |
| 05:04.44 | bpun | Wooga, it's a robot username |
| 05:04.46 | bpun | !dpkg |
| 05:04.46 | adb | !gentoo |
| 05:04.46 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 05:04.47 | dpkg | from memory, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than two of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about <greenhouse>. http://bash.org//?464385 , or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg, or <funroll-loops>, or #gentoo @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 05:06.35 | Dominicus | Arafangion: I was considering going back to gentoo with this i7 and all it's hot multi-threaded sweetness. But, I want a job doing linux stuff, and the corporate environment takes Debian more seriously. |
| 05:06.42 | Wooga | oh, there it is: managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf |
| 05:06.42 | mick_laptop | ok, i tried w/ dpkg but aptitude still wanted to remove it |
| 05:06.44 | Wooga | thanks! |
| 05:06.48 | mick_laptop | so i tried: sudo aptitude hold khtml2png |
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| 05:07.29 | mick_laptop | unmet dependencies yada yada... now this: Resolve these dependencies by hand? [N/+/-/_/:/?] |
| 05:07.39 | bpun | Wooga, did u see what else the wikipage said? |
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| 05:08.12 | Dominicus | adb: LOL. rice rice rice rice. Yeah, I heard about the alleged ricers association. But that's long come and gone from my personal experience anyway. |
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| 05:08.36 | Wooga | bpun: yes, and got it working already. thanks! |
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| 05:08.41 | Shockcore | how can we install remove packages from xfce desktop ??? ?? |
| 05:08.54 | Arafangion | Dominicus: It's basically Ubuntu, Debian, Redhat, or something else these days, in the corp environment, I reckon. |
| 05:08.56 | bpun | Wooga, it says you need to reboot the machine |
| 05:09.07 | Arafangion | Dominicus: And Ubuntu's surprisingly popular. |
| 05:09.11 | bpun | Wooga, but i have no clue if that's accurate or still adequate |
| 05:09.28 | Wooga | it says only to kill nm-system-settings |
| 05:09.34 | Wooga | and thats enough to make it working |
| 05:09.44 | bpun | Wooga, i'm looking at this one http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
| 05:09.49 | bpun | Wooga, well if it works.. that's great.. |
| 05:09.50 | Wooga | me too |
| 05:10.02 | bpun | Wooga, the only problem is this.. |
| 05:10.21 | bpun | Wooga, i believe you need to login to an X session for the network to go up |
| 05:10.34 | bpun | Wooga, i dont know if you're running server/s on it.. |
| 05:10.42 | Wooga | it's upped and working |
| 05:11.11 | bpun | Wooga, ^, i remember on another distro, I had to login.. otherwise my webserver wouldn't be available on the lan |
| 05:11.49 | bpun | anyone knows this? i guess we all use just the interfaces file here, and ditch networkmanager.. |
| 05:12.06 | bpun | had nightmares with networkmanager in the past |
| 05:12.18 | Dominicus | Arafangion: That's because it's as polished as it is. If you want to convert users, give them a toaster, not a box of parts that would work like a toaster if you can figure out how to make them interact. Yeah, I had an interesting experience with RedHat. The pissed me off for all eternity when I found out that their python based BIND administative GUI was storing domain information in xml files, |
| 05:12.24 | Dominicus | instead of the flat files that bind was using. So, you could make all your stuff work, but then when the python based gui apps failed and couldn't be reinstalled from the CD's rpm collection, you were left screaming at the machine because there was no BIND compatible zone files created where you expected them to be. |
| 05:12.35 | bpun | Dominicus, wow, you write so much! |
| 05:12.46 | bpun | Dominicus, you killin him |
| 05:12.47 | ajavid | !debstats |
| 05:12.47 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) and http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 05:12.59 | Dominicus | chuckles. |
| 05:13.26 | Arafangion | Dominicus: Actually that's why I liked Debian. |
| 05:13.51 | babilen_ | mick_laptop: i haven't read the whole thread, but if a package DEPENDS on a packet that it will happily run without you should file a bug because that is a policy violation |
| 05:13.53 | ajavid | you know why I like debian? |
| 05:13.58 | ajavid | it works. |
| 05:14.10 | ajavid | you know why I dislike ubuntu? |
| 05:14.15 | ajavid | it doesn't work. |
| 05:14.26 | Dominicus | Arafangion: ? I've yet to see Debian play bait and switch with the config and data files. It's straight up text/flatfile configs. It's awesome. |
| 05:14.26 | Arafangion | Dominicus: Debian just *works*, unless you have odd hardware. You don't have to muck about with weird issues unlike Ubuntu. (Once, a minor upgrade *deleted the openGL headers*!?!?) |
| 05:14.28 | ajavid | I like things that work |
| 05:14.35 | ajavid | working things are nice to hav |
| 05:14.45 | Arafangion | brb |
| 05:14.54 | mick_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.58 | bpun | Dominicus, you should be able to specify your zone locations in the main conf file.. it's really not to hard.. just have to sort of read that crazy manpage |
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| 05:15.52 | mick_laptop | ajavid: i disagree (it depends on your hardware and what you are doing w/ it). Example: as a netbook OS i rather like it |
| 05:15.58 | mick_laptop | the remix is easy to use |
| 05:16.14 | mick_laptop | and everything "just worked" |
| 05:16.25 | babilen | mick_laptop: you might want to install that software into /usr/local and not rely on externally maintained deb files |
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| 05:16.30 | Dominicus | bpun: no no. That zone issue stuff was with RedHat. And it wasn't producing any zone files, just xml files that were proxy processed and somehow flushed into bind's zone cache. It was the worst. That, and the random pythong gui apps breaking left and right and refusing to reinstall to working order that killed RedHat for me. |
| 05:16.39 | mick_laptop | not to mention, it had a great *and up to date* HCL |
| 05:16.51 | mick_laptop | babilen: i know what you mean |
| 05:17.15 | benjamindees | the HCL is a nice feature |
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| 05:17.38 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.46 | mick_laptop | if there was a source dpkg that would be nice |
| 05:17.53 | bpun | Dominicus, if i'm correct, either they really changed bind9 or you must of been using another dns server similar to it |
| 05:17.56 | mick_laptop | adb: hardware compatability list |
| 05:17.57 | babilen | mick_laptop: that might safe you a lot of troube dealing with sub-standard deb files. |
| 05:18.09 | adb | thanks mick_laptop |
| 05:18.15 | babilen | mick_laptop: why don't you just configure, make, install it? |
| 05:18.30 | Dominicus | bpun: That RedHat incident was like 7 years ago. So, I don't know what version it was. |
| 05:19.09 | bpun | Dominicus, hmm.. well dns servers seem to be variant, but have to adhere to some standard somewhat.. |
| 05:19.21 | Wooga | >RedHat [...] bind [...] xml |
| 05:19.22 | mick_laptop | adb: what i was talking about in particular: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks |
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| 05:19.29 | Wooga | i suppose it's how redhat making money |
| 05:19.33 | mick_laptop | other distros can learn from that |
| 05:20.07 | Wooga | making stuff unusable without special (redhat's) support |
| 05:20.13 | ajavid | hcl |
| 05:20.15 | ajavid | !hcl |
| 05:20.15 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>. |
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| 05:20.27 | Dominicus | Wooga: If you're a giant corporate entity that rewrites their software just to drive product line obsolescence, sure. That's how people make money. And that's probably why RedHat isn't bigger than they are. |
| 05:21.20 | mick_laptop | ajavid: none of those sites compare |
| 05:21.26 | mick_laptop | seriously |
| 05:21.27 | ajavid | to what? |
| 05:21.35 | mick_laptop | to ubuntu's hcl |
| 05:21.49 | mick_laptop | especially the hardware howto |
| 05:21.52 | ajavid | and where does ubuntu get its from? |
| 05:22.02 | ajavid | I think ubuntu just popped out of the ground. |
| 05:22.03 | mick_laptop | i'm not even sure why that is mentioned in that factoid |
| 05:22.04 | ajavid | ok. |
| 05:22.23 | mick_laptop | point made ;) |
| 05:22.29 | ajavid | good |
| 05:22.40 | ajavid | for the smart man, only a hint is enough :) |
| 05:23.01 | mick_laptop | nods |
| 05:23.03 | mick_laptop | ;) |
| 05:23.53 | Arafangion | Ubuntu popped up because an obscenely rich man decided to do something useful, without needing it to actually be profitable. |
| 05:23.55 | jetscreamer | note we frequently had to pound ideas into ajavid's head with a hammer and chisel... :p |
| 05:24.00 | benjamindees | winks, nods |
| 05:24.10 | ajavid | heh |
| 05:24.19 | ajavid | jetscreamer, such as?? |
| 05:24.23 | benjamindees | licks lips |
| 05:24.30 | jetscreamer | phhhhhhhht~ |
| 05:25.24 | jetscreamer | fades back into obscurity |
| 05:25.36 | ajavid | jetscreamer, dude |
| 05:25.39 | ajavid | jetscreamer, #debian-chat |
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| 05:27.06 | bpun | anyone knows which repo i should use oofice3 from? (there are features that are broken in 2.4-- which is on my lenny system) |
| 05:27.17 | ajavid | bpo |
| 05:27.32 | bpun | ah |
| 05:27.38 | bpun | found something |
| 05:27.52 | ajavid | bpun, /msg dpkg bpo; aptitude -t lenny-backports install openoffice.org |
| 05:28.03 | bpun | y .. |
| 05:28.05 | ajavid | bpun, or you can pin openoffice.org from origin bpo |
| 05:28.06 | bpun | good th |
| 05:28.08 | bpun | ks |
| 05:28.12 | ajavid | !enter |
| 05:28.12 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 05:28.30 | ajavid | !pinning |
| 05:28.30 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 05:29.05 | jetscreamer | i have 28 channel windows open on freenode alone... that's enough atm |
| 05:29.23 | ajavid | jetscreamer, well you're in my business channel :) |
| 05:29.34 | jetscreamer | is that a bad thing? |
| 05:29.38 | jetscreamer | i can leave |
| 05:29.46 | ajavid | no |
| 05:29.50 | ajavid | I didn't notice |
| 05:29.51 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
| 05:29.54 | ajavid | I just saw |
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| 05:30.32 | mick_laptop | stalkers on irc... *gasp* |
| 05:30.34 | jetscreamer | heh.. and how long have i been autojoining that one? |
| 05:30.36 | AruNatsu | can someone recommend me a good cd burner for linux? :D |
| 05:30.44 | ajavid | jetscreamer, look dude bro man |
| 05:30.45 | ajavid | ok |
| 05:30.45 | ajavid | man |
| 05:30.52 | ajavid | 12:30 2 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS |
| 05:30.53 | mick_laptop | AruNatsu: k3b - best burner ever |
| 05:30.55 | jetscreamer | k3b works fine... you don't have to install all of kde either |
| 05:30.58 | ajavid | ignores these things |
| 05:31.03 | ajavid | I never see nothing. |
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| 05:31.17 | AruNatsu | ah k |
| 05:31.22 | adb | AruNatsu, brasero , wodim |
| 05:31.23 | ajavid | I don't care to see those things :) |
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| 05:31.39 | mick_laptop | AruNatsu: don't listen to him, it is more than "just fine" - it freaking kicks |
| 05:31.41 | ajavid | AruNatsu, you're not going to find a better burner than k3b |
| 05:31.48 | mick_laptop | minus the trumpet sound |
| 05:31.49 | ajavid | AruNatsu, sure its a kde app, but you don't need all of kde to use it |
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| 05:31.55 | mick_laptop | that is the only thing that sucks |
| 05:32.04 | ajavid | AruNatsu, if you can find a better burner than k3b, I will retract my recommendation |
| 05:32.13 | ajavid | AruNatsu, and when it comes to kde, I know my shit. |
| 05:32.22 | mick_laptop | a friend burned a CD while his roommate was sleeping... i forgot to tell him to turn the speakers off :) |
| 05:32.42 | ajavid | mick_laptop, hahaha he thought he was in the army when he woke up! |
| 05:32.44 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 05:33.03 | jetscreamer | you can turn off sounds in k3b also |
| 05:33.08 | mick_laptop | he jumped out of bed so quick... it was awesome |
| 05:33.10 | AruNatsu | but do i really need to allocate 200 mb just for k3b :( |
| 05:33.11 | jetscreamer | i forgot about that |
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| 05:33.16 | AruNatsu | for KDE related dependencies and such |
| 05:33.19 | ajavid | allocate 200 mb? |
| 05:33.23 | mick_laptop | AruNatsu: welcome to 2009 |
| 05:33.43 | ajavid | AruNatsu, you know you can't expect to burn a cd on a calculator |
| 05:33.45 | mick_laptop | AruNatsu: you must be new to this century |
| 05:33.47 | ajavid | get a decent enough pc |
| 05:33.50 | jetscreamer | you can get the job done with wodim or growisofs if you're really concerned about it |
| 05:33.56 | ajavid | and get a hard driver bigger than 500mb |
| 05:33.57 | ajavid | please |
| 05:33.59 | ajavid | :) |
| 05:34.03 | mick_laptop | haha |
| 05:34.06 | jetscreamer | or dd |
| 05:34.07 | AruNatsu | lol |
| 05:34.12 | AruNatsu | lol @ dd |
| 05:34.20 | mick_laptop | it works :) |
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| 05:34.25 | AruNatsu | i guess i'm just being too stingy with my harddrive space |
| 05:34.34 | jetscreamer | well to make an iso from a cd, dd |
| 05:34.37 | AruNatsu | which is unnecessary nowadys lol |
| 05:34.37 | ajavid | you know its like less than 10 cents per gig now? |
| 05:34.41 | mick_laptop | drives are cheap and space is insaine |
| 05:34.46 | AruNatsu | yeah |
| 05:34.49 | AruNatsu | installing it now~ |
| 05:35.01 | ajavid | there WAS sub-zero... now just plain zero. |
| 05:35.05 | ajavid | *sigh* |
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| 05:35.36 | ajavid | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}\ |
| 05:35.43 | mick_laptop | you can always tell the fortran developers in the crowd, they complain about that too -- and they use variables like "A" all over the place to "save memory" |
| 05:36.26 | ajavid | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: dependency on libpthread.so.0 could be avoided if blahblahblah wasn't unneccerily linked against it... |
| 05:36.27 | Wooga | ajavid: >10 cents per gig |
| 05:36.30 | ajavid | what the fuck |
| 05:36.50 | jetscreamer | :O |
| 05:36.52 | ajavid | Wooga, I bought 1.5tb for 89$ newegg a while ago |
| 05:36.54 | Wooga | you can get 100 mbit unlimited internet for about $36 |
| 05:36.59 | ajavid | what does that come up to? |
| 05:37.02 | ajavid | do the math |
| 05:37.13 | ajavid | no tax, no ship |
| 05:37.44 | Wooga | it's only 360 gigs for same price |
| 05:37.58 | Wooga | while in time of month you can get more |
| 05:38.16 | redstick | ok, so ive got this OLD compaq pentium 166mhz. finally got debian base installed on it but i cant for the life of me get the ISA ethernet card working on it, anyone have any clue how i could go about getting it going? |
| 05:38.29 | ajavid | redstick, Baton Rouge! |
| 05:38.41 | benjamindees | what card is it? |
| 05:38.43 | redstick | i tried like every card in the installer |
| 05:38.53 | ajavid | redstick, do you know the chipset |
| 05:38.57 | ajavid | redstick, make/model etc? |
| 05:39.04 | adb | AruNatsu see mybashburn |
| 05:39.07 | redstick | its on a ISA bridge |
| 05:39.48 | redstick | i do lspci and it doesnt really say which is the NIC |
| 05:39.59 | redstick | all intel corp stuff |
| 05:40.01 | benjamindees | yeah it's not pci ;) |
| 05:40.11 | Arrowmaster | is it onboard or a card in an isa slot? |
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| 05:40.19 | redstick | its a card |
| 05:40.29 | adb | isapnp |
| 05:40.30 | Arrowmaster | open the box, pull it out and find some model numbers |
| 05:40.35 | redstick | those old school slots, i called it pci |
| 05:40.57 | redstick | eh, letme google it first, maybe i dont have to take it apart again |
| 05:42.09 | redstick | i knew the card yesterday, just forgot |
| 05:42.09 | AruNatsu | adb: thanks for the advice, but i already installed k3b and it's pretty good so i'm just going to stick with it :) |
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| 05:42.33 | adb | yw |
| 05:43.32 | redstick | k, looked through dmesg, its a "Compaq 10mbps ISA Ethernet Controller" :p |
| 05:43.38 | redstick | not much new info there :/ |
| 05:44.30 | Arrowmaster | if its not working then dmesg could be wrong |
| 05:44.33 | adb | it's not view by isapnp , or pnp ? |
| 05:45.00 | redstick | i know that the card works, it worked on the Win95 that was on it originally |
| 05:45.11 | benjamindees | can you tell what put that line in the log? |
| 05:45.30 | benjamindees | can you paste the output of lsmod ? |
| 05:45.44 | redstick | cant paste, its another computer, obviously :p |
| 05:45.47 | jetscreamer | an isa card i had, you had to add something to the modprobe line |
| 05:46.22 | jetscreamer | nic |
| 05:47.20 | benjamindees | what does 'lsmod|grep tlan' say? |
| 05:47.29 | redstick | hm yeah, that output was in dmesg via the isapnp scan |
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| 05:47.49 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.53 | redstick | i tried to set it as tlan in the installer |
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| 05:48.15 | redstick | and yeah, that grep doesnt return anything |
| 05:48.47 | benjamindees | try 'modprobe tlan' I guess |
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| 05:49.04 | zenwryly | Can anyone tell me what "/etc/passwd-" is? I'm wondering if I need to back it up? |
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| 05:49.22 | redstick | benjamindees: no such device |
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| 05:49.36 | redstick | zenwryly: that is your user and password info |
| 05:49.55 | zenwryly | redstick: no, the versions ending with "-" |
| 05:50.01 | jetscreamer | no it's not... it's passwd but with a - after it... a program |
| 05:50.10 | zenwryly | redstick: /etc/passwd- |
| 05:50.27 | redstick | oh, didnt notice the - |
| 05:50.32 | benjamindees | redstick: see if it's listed in /proc/interrupts |
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| 05:50.39 | jetscreamer | you may have an alternative installed, but i've not idea .. passwd is used to change passwords |
| 05:50.45 | jetscreamer | s/not/no/ |
| 05:50.54 | redstick | benjamindees: k, looking |
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| 05:51.10 | zenwryly | jetscreamer: sorry, not following you, can you clarify? |
| 05:51.23 | AruNatsu | where can i see the list of debian mirros that host netinst and full cd iso's for current stable release ? |
| 05:51.29 | bpun | i have speed deficiency with openoffice (Debian), anyone know of any good tricks? (using bpo oofice 3, had speed deficiencies with 2.4, and i just update to v3 today) |
| 05:52.07 | jetscreamer | !info passwd |
| 05:52.10 | redstick | benjamindees: nothing there that i recognize |
| 05:52.13 | dpkg | passwd: (change and administer password and group data), section admin, is required. Version: 1:4.1.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 952 kB, Installed size: 2208 kB |
| 05:52.15 | jetscreamer | no idea why it has the - |
| 05:52.18 | jetscreamer | !alternatives |
| 05:52.18 | dpkg | i heard alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. |
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| 05:54.27 | jmarsden | AruNatsu: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 05:56.37 | redstick | Description: HP/COMPAQ - COMPAQ ETHERNET 10BASE-T ISA BOARD WITH SHORT BRACKET PRESARIO EDUC SERIES (4212ES) (292645-001) |
| 05:56.43 | redstick | that is the card^ |
| 05:56.47 | AruNatsu | jmarsden: ty! |
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| 05:57.08 | jmarsden | jetscreamer: /etc/passwd- is a backup copy of /etc/passwd it is not (normally) a program... |
| 05:57.19 | jmarsden | AruNatsu: You're welcome. |
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| 05:57.36 | AruNatsu | downloading netinst image to finally install debian to my desktop |
| 05:58.12 | AruNatsu | debian linux was the first linux i've ever installed (although i wiped it because i didn't know how to use it) ;D |
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| 05:58.17 | glicks | hi |
| 05:58.31 | jetscreamer | redstick what you need to do is find out the chipset and not worry about the brand of card, imo/iirc |
| 05:58.47 | jetscreamer | then google the chipset restrict=linux |
| 05:58.48 | glicks | excuse me, has anyone else had any problems getting their logitech quickcam pro 9000 microphone working? |
| 05:59.02 | glicks | i can see it under sound mixer |
| 05:59.09 | glicks | but i cant unmute the microphone |
| 05:59.09 | Arrowmaster | jetscreamer: hes got model numbers now though which is what he needs |
| 05:59.22 | glicks | when i unmute it and close it, its muted again when i open it again |
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| 06:00.21 | maxagaz | hi |
| 06:00.41 | maxagaz | how to send a file to a ftp server the same way i use scp ? |
| 06:00.53 | ajavid | maxagaz, don't use ftp |
| 06:01.03 | ajavid | maxagaz, google for command line ftp tutorial |
| 06:01.05 | benjamindees | redstick: modprobe 'tulip' |
| 06:01.22 | ajavid | maxagaz, or use a cli based ftp client, gftp-text, ncftp etc. |
| 06:01.25 | redstick | whoa... |
| 06:01.27 | maxagaz | ajavid, what then ? i don't really have the choice |
| 06:01.35 | ajavid | !ping |
| 06:01.35 | dpkg | Yes, ajavid, you are online. |
| 06:01.36 | maxagaz | ajavid, ok |
| 06:01.38 | ajavid | I'm not lagged |
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| 06:01.47 | redstick | benjamindees: that may have done something.. |
| 06:02.01 | redstick | err.. why is ifconfig not installed... |
| 06:02.07 | ajavid | maxagaz, basically ftp is kinda bad |
| 06:02.18 | benjamindees | use 'ip link' |
| 06:02.20 | maxagaz | ajavid, why? |
| 06:02.23 | ajavid | !ftp must die |
| 06:02.24 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 06:02.26 | ajavid | read it |
| 06:02.49 | maxagaz | ajavid, ok, thanks for this |
| 06:02.54 | ajavid | yup |
| 06:02.55 | benjamindees | 'ip link show eth0' |
| 06:03.14 | redstick | does not exist |
| 06:03.31 | maxagaz | ajavid, but still, i don't have choice, it's not my own server that i'm using |
| 06:03.32 | redstick | oh wow, its finding my linksys wireless usb though.. |
| 06:03.43 | redstick | didnt think this old thing would find that |
| 06:03.44 | fredl | what's that flashplayer that comes with iceweasel and how can I remove it? |
| 06:04.03 | Arafangion | Is 220K/s a slow download from cdimage.debian.org? |
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| 06:04.19 | benjamindees | fredl: swfdec or gnash |
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| 06:04.54 | benjamindees | Arafangion: no |
| 06:05.04 | fredl | hmm those were my guesses too... |
| 06:05.25 | Arafangion | Ok then, thanks. Guess I'll wait. :) |
| 06:05.27 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.33 | Arrowmaster | fredl: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree if you want the adobe one |
| 06:05.33 | fredl | wtf.. |
| 06:05.33 | benjamindees | mozilla-plugin-gnash and plugin-swfdec-something |
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| 06:06.47 | redstick | how can i put my wlan0 up? |
| 06:06.57 | redstick | that would be soo nice if this wireless worked |
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| 06:07.19 | AruNatsu | how stable is ext4 in debian linux? is it safe enough to use for your primary desktop? |
| 06:07.24 | benjamindees | there's no way to do it from the command line; use the installer |
| 06:07.58 | redstick | benjamindees: how do i bring up the installer without totally reinstalling :/ |
| 06:08.07 | Arafangion | AruNatsu: Arguably, a desktop simply doesn't need the functionality. Just use ext3. |
| 06:08.14 | redstick | ddebconf? |
| 06:08.25 | fredl | Hmm I really must have the backports repository if I want to install flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 06:08.55 | Arrowmaster | well you could just download the deb and install it manually |
| 06:08.55 | AruNatsu | Arafangion: good point. i'll go safe with ext3 |
| 06:09.15 | Arrowmaster | AruNatsu: im using ext4 on my desktop without issue |
| 06:09.31 | benjamindees | redstick: sorry you have the base installed? I thought you were in the installer. |
| 06:09.49 | redstick | nah, i installed already |
| 06:10.03 | redstick | just base and a couple things from the cd |
| 06:10.09 | benjamindees | redstick: why don't you have ifconfig? you should use iwconfig (wireless-tools) to configure wi-fi. |
| 06:11.10 | AruNatsu | how does Expert Install differ from normal one? |
| 06:11.34 | redstick | oh wow, didnt think wireless-tools was on the cd |
| 06:11.35 | benjamindees | redstick: does isapnp say anything else about your nic? you could try 'dmesg|grep isapnp' |
| 06:11.37 | redstick | very cool |
| 06:11.54 | benjamindees | if you just need to set io/irq that is |
| 06:12.29 | Arrowmaster | AruNatsu: it asks more questions |
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| 06:12.36 | redstick | yeah i think isapnp is what found it |
| 06:13.15 | redstick | i JUST now remembered i had that usb wireless, not sure if it will actually work since its usb2 |
| 06:13.36 | Arrowmaster | it will just be slow but it will work |
| 06:13.44 | redstick | cool |
| 06:13.52 | redstick | well, thats a start |
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| 06:13.59 | AruNatsu | i'm ont sure if i'm good enough to go with expert installation :< is it that risky? |
| 06:14.05 | redstick | im confident ill get the ethernet nic going too though |
| 06:14.06 | maxagaz | ajavid, sorry to bother you again but could you tell me the equivalent syntax of "scp myfile user@host:/tmp/" with an ftp command ? |
| 06:14.09 | AruNatsu | s/ont/not |
| 06:14.26 | ajavid | I don't use ftp commands |
| 06:14.29 | benjamindees | AruNatsu: it's not risky if you just choose the defaults for anything you don't understand |
| 06:14.30 | redstick | AruNatsu: it just lets you choose the installer steps |
| 06:14.40 | Arrowmaster | AruNatsu: not really, just use defaults i guess if you are unsure |
| 06:14.57 | AruNatsu | alright then, hopefully it's not harder than Arch Linux setup :) |
| 06:15.03 | redstick | nah |
| 06:15.17 | ajavid | maxagaz, ftp ftp.host.com 21 |
| 06:15.19 | redstick | as long as it finds your hardware :p |
| 06:15.24 | ajavid | maxagaz, put in user/pass |
| 06:15.26 | AruNatsu | redstick: haha true |
| 06:15.47 | ajavid | maxagaz, after login cd to whichever dir you want |
| 06:15.55 | ajavid | maxagaz, make sure its correct with 'pwd' |
| 06:16.04 | redstick | debian netinstall cant connect to my network for somereason even on my good computers |
| 06:16.05 | ajavid | maxagaz, you cn upload a file with 'put filename' |
| 06:16.13 | ajavid | maxagaz, man ftp |
| 06:16.33 | ajavid | maxagaz, man ftp /put |
| 06:16.38 | bpun | maxagaz, u can hit '?' in the prompt |
| 06:16.51 | ajavid | yeah, see i donno |
| 06:16.53 | ajavid | I don't use ftp |
| 06:17.15 | maxagaz | bpun, hit in the prompt ? |
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| 06:17.25 | ajavid | maxagaz, while in ftp, type '?' |
| 06:17.33 | maxagaz | ajavid, you mean that i can't you a single command line ? |
| 06:17.39 | bpun | maxagaz, was following if u use the sftp or ftp cli app |
| 06:17.49 | bpun | cli not for clitoris that is |
| 06:17.58 | ajavid | bpun, what is the matter with you? |
| 06:18.09 | simonrvn | um, that would be clit, not cli |
| 06:18.11 | bpun | i want to see if maxagaz is reading my messages |
| 06:18.21 | simonrvn | heh |
| 06:18.24 | ajavid | lol |
| 06:18.27 | ajavid | I like this guy |
| 06:18.28 | bpun | simonrvn, thanks for correcting me :) |
| 06:18.30 | ajavid | he is funny |
| 06:18.33 | ajavid | runs around bpun |
| 06:18.58 | simonrvn | np |
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| 06:20.07 | kriox | hi people |
| 06:20.18 | maxagaz | bpun, of course i am... |
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| 06:21.30 | kriox | i have to install lame mp3 encoder on lenny. what i have to do. i find no repository. thanks for all and sorry for my english |
| 06:21.33 | maxagaz | bpun, ajavid, actually, i'm trying to use this site to send a big file : http://dl.free.fr/upload.html |
| 06:22.27 | bpun | maxagaz, if you type what ajavid said, the top line should tell u the syntax.. |
| 06:22.31 | adb | kriox, lame is in dmm , /msg dpkg dmm lenny |
| 06:22.33 | bpun | maxagaz, (man scp) |
| 06:23.00 | bpun | i believe he said man ftp, but there's a manpage for scp as well |
| 06:23.05 | maxagaz | bpun, i saw that, thanks |
| 06:23.20 | bpun | maxagaz, so do a small test first.. |
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| 06:23.29 | maxagaz | bpun, sure... |
| 06:23.36 | bpun | maxagaz, problem is, what if there's a disconnect? can u resume it is the question |
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| 06:23.56 | maxagaz | bpun, yes, they say it's possible to resume |
| 06:24.12 | kriox | adb: i have to type the string in the message box and then? |
| 06:24.28 | adb | here in irc line |
| 06:25.11 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:26.28 | glick | has anyone had trouble getting the microphone on their QuickCam Pro 9000 working? |
| 06:26.41 | glick | i cant seem to un-mute it |
| 06:26.50 | glick | if i do, its muted again as soon as i close the sound mixer |
| 06:28.35 | adb | grep aud /etc/group |
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| 06:41.51 | kriox | adb: thanks it's work |
| 06:43.14 | adb | yw kriox |
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| 06:44.56 | kriox | just anothr thing may i adjust the font on the firefox bar because the browser do not have managed by kde? |
| 06:46.00 | cahoot | glick: running alsactl store doesn't help? |
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| 06:47.41 | glick | cahoot, how should i run it? |
| 06:48.51 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.58 | AruNatsu | i'm in the middle of installing debian lenny 5.03. i copied a deb pkg to my usb drive and mounted it, but somehow "apt-install pkgname" isn't installing the pkg. does anyone know why? |
| 06:50.58 | AruNatsu | am i supposed to use dpkg? |
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| 06:51.54 | Wyzard | AruNatsu: If you want to install a .deb file from disk, yes, use dpkg |
| 06:52.11 | AruNatsu | Wyzard: but i don't even have dpkg yet :( |
| 06:52.17 | AruNatsu | with no internet connection =( |
| 06:52.25 | Wyzard | AruNatsu: If you don't have dpkg then apt wouldn't work anyway |
| 06:52.36 | Wyzard | AruNatsu: apt is just a frontend that downloads .deb files and passes them to dpkg to be installed |
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| 06:52.57 | AruNatsu | how can i install dpkg without dpkg then? |
| 06:53.07 | Arrowmaster | you have dpkg |
| 06:53.22 | kriox | thans for all see you |
| 06:53.26 | Wyzard | AruNatsu: You're trying to install dpkg manually from a .deb? |
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| 06:53.47 | AruNatsu | Wyzard: yeah because i'm using netinst installer |
| 06:54.06 | AruNatsu | with no wired internet connection...probably shouldn't have done this :\ |
| 06:54.16 | Arrowmaster | why are you trying to install dpkg manually? |
| 06:54.31 | AruNatsu | Arrowmaster: because it's not installed |
| 06:54.33 | Wyzard | AruNatsu: The netinst CD requires a network connection during installation... that's why it's called netinst |
| 06:54.38 | fredl | interesting... I just compiled firefox 3.5 and it seems to work alright. Only thing is it starts up showing file:///home/fredl |
| 06:54.42 | Arrowmaster | then your install is broken |
| 06:54.49 | Arrowmaster | reinstall |
| 06:54.50 | freeone3000 | Your homepage setting is broken... |
| 06:54.51 | Wyzard | Arrowmaster: He hasn't finished installing yet |
| 06:54.58 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 06:55.03 | Arrowmaster | then finishing installing |
| 06:55.03 | AruNatsu | Wyzard: yeah but i have *wireless* connection |
| 06:55.08 | Wyzard | Arrowmaster: hasn't even started installing, it sounds like; he's just booted the install CD |
| 06:55.08 | fredl | freeone3000, :) |
| 06:55.09 | freeone3000 | Yeah, those work. |
| 06:55.20 | Arrowmaster | Wyzard: probably |
| 06:55.35 | AruNatsu | i guess i'll just install it first and then copy over some .deb files from my working laptop |
| 06:55.37 | freeone3000 | Okay, basically, it takes luck to get a wireless connection in linux at all. Especially during install. |
| 06:55.39 | fredl | freeone3000, I will file a bugreport with mozilla 'my homepage setting is broken!!!!!' :) |
| 06:55.46 | AruNatsu | and try to enable wireless card |
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| 06:56.26 | Wyzard | AruNatsu: You'd probably find it much simpler to install using a regular disc that doesn't depend on the network |
| 06:56.39 | hark | AruNatsu: you can do a base install with the netinst without having an internet connection |
| 06:56.55 | AruNatsu | hark: yeah that's what i'm going to do |
| 06:57.35 | AruNatsu | Wyzard: yeah this was a bad choice. i just wanted to avoid waiting for regular ISO download to finish |
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| 06:58.23 | fredl | c'mon freeone3000 it doesn't take 'luck' to get a wireless connection in Linux. |
| 06:58.51 | fredl | in my experience it works in 9 out of 10 cases. |
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| 06:59.15 | fredl | it gets a bit difficult when you want to get 802.1x connections set up... |
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| 07:01.55 | fredl | Preferred Application -> Web Browser had a trailing "%s", duh. |
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| 07:03.15 | Arrowmaster | fredl: mine has that too but opens to my homepage, but im not using 3.5x yet |
| 07:04.00 | fredl | hmm. |
| 07:05.00 | ajavid | using Minefield 3.7.x |
| 07:05.13 | fredl | well removing it makes it start up with the homepage. |
| 07:05.38 | ajavid | why did you compile ff3.5 |
| 07:05.55 | fredl | coz I can't simply download a 64 bit version. |
| 07:05.57 | ajavid | you could just as well not compile it |
| 07:05.59 | ajavid | why not |
| 07:06.15 | fredl | because there is none AFAIK. |
| 07:06.26 | ajavid | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090917 Firefox/3.5.4 GTB5 |
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| 07:06.29 | ajavid | realy? |
| 07:06.30 | ajavid | if you say so. |
| 07:06.31 | fredl | mozilla only releases 32 bit binaries right? |
| 07:06.43 | ajavid | fredl, I would guide you |
| 07:06.49 | ajavid | but I really would like to you try and search google |
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| 07:07.06 | ajavid | if a moron like me can find it, I'm sure a smart guy like you definitely can |
| 07:07.19 | fredl | :P |
| 07:07.26 | ajavid | fredl, 3.7 == Minefield |
| 07:07.33 | ajavid | fredl, 3.5 == Shiretoko |
| 07:07.33 | fredl | I liked compiling it ok? :) |
| 07:07.51 | ajavid | and you're positive what you compiled is purely 64bit? |
| 07:08.00 | ajavid | where did you get the source |
| 07:08.41 | ajavid | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/firefox-3.7a1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 <-- for 3.7 minefield |
| 07:09.20 | ajavid | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-firefox-3.5.x/firefox-3.5.4pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 <-- go here for 3.5 Shiretoko |
| 07:09.32 | fredl | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090919 Firefox/3.5.3 |
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| 07:09.43 | fredl | yeah I think thats 64 bit |
| 07:09.50 | ajavid | how do you know |
| 07:10.06 | fredl | it says Linux x86_64 |
| 07:10.21 | fredl | that doesn't mean it's 64 bit ? |
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| 07:11.11 | ajavid | no |
| 07:11.18 | ajavid | would you like me to guide you a bit more? |
| 07:11.28 | ajavid | fredl, file /path/to/firefox-bin |
| 07:11.37 | ajavid | what is the output |
| 07:11.59 | ajavid | fredl, it should say ELF class is 64 bit |
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| 07:12.07 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:12.10 | fredl | :P~~ |
| 07:12.13 | fredl | chuckles |
| 07:12.17 | ajavid | I said firefox-bin |
| 07:12.21 | ajavid | firefox is a launcher script. |
| 07:12.57 | fredl | ELF 64-bit LSB executable |
| 07:13.04 | ajavid | you're good to go |
| 07:13.26 | fredl | dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 07:13.33 | ajavid | I use the precompiled binaries from nightly and auto updates automatically |
| 07:13.35 | hark | ajavid: do you use any extensions? |
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| 07:13.40 | ajavid | hark, a few |
| 07:13.43 | FailPowah | is there a way to make my sshd to look up my connecting host in the background instead of holding up the login procedure for up to a minute (thats forever over cellphone sshing) |
| 07:14.15 | fredl | why do you use the precompiled binaries ajavid? |
| 07:14.26 | ajavid | fredl, becuase I'm not on gentoo |
| 07:14.30 | ajavid | !gentoosmite fredl |
| 07:14.30 | dpkg | spends 9 weeks recompiling fredl, and when it's all done, fredl runs 5% slower than previously |
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| 07:14.49 | ajavid | why build from source when there is no need. |
| 07:15.09 | ajavid | you're on a binary distrubution of linux and firefox also has 64bit firefox binaries |
| 07:15.12 | fredl | well apparently you want to run the bleeding edge version.. |
| 07:15.23 | ajavid | why build from source unless you're modifying something or chaning compile time flags? |
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| 07:16.06 | fredl | 3.7 is a development version right? I'd be hesitant to run that at all. |
| 07:16.17 | ajavid | fredl, no one is making you run it |
| 07:16.31 | ajavid | fredl, even if its development unstable release doesn't mean you have to use it fulltime |
| 07:16.45 | fredl | true enough... |
| 07:16.46 | ajavid | fredl, man firefox or man iceweasel |
| 07:16.47 | cocoblend | you people are hostile |
| 07:17.01 | fredl | excuse me cocoblend? |
| 07:17.03 | ajavid | fredl, firefox -ProfileManager |
| 07:17.17 | OpenTokix | FailPowah: you can disable hostname-lookup in your sshd_config |
| 07:17.23 | ajavid | fredl, firefox -ProfileManager --no-remote (add this so firefox doesn't complain about an already running process) |
| 07:17.31 | ajavid | fredl, create seperate profiles for each firefox version |
| 07:17.38 | ajavid | fredl, only use those profiles on that particular version |
| 07:17.45 | fredl | hmm that's an interesting idea... |
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| 07:17.59 | ajavid | Yay for documentation... |
| 07:18.04 | FailPowah | OpenTokix, only way, to disable it? my lan:ed computers i know i can add to the hosts file and make it instant, but when i use my cellphone i get random ips all the time >.< |
| 07:18.19 | ajavid | cocoblend, how do you gather? |
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| 07:18.40 | Arrowmaster | FailPowah: man sshd_config |
| 07:18.42 | fredl | I'll keep that in mind for later, right now I'm just trying out a lot of stuff to make Debian a slightly more acceptable desktop-like OS. |
| 07:18.50 | ajavid | cocoblend, wouldn't it be considered arrogant of you to hold us responsible for your perception... or lack thereof? |
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| 07:19.26 | OpenTokix | FailPowah: I am not sure, but you might be able to disable it for your client to. - Check docummentation for your cellphone-client |
| 07:19.38 | fredl | as well as trying to figure out a lot of server related issues. |
| 07:19.44 | ajavid | fredl, just ask. |
| 07:19.53 | xaashi1 | hi, i seemed to have screwed up my install cant remove a package, could someone please point me in the right direction see here for errors http://debian.pastebin.com/m1044e8a8 |
| 07:19.56 | ajavid | fredl, /msg dpkg ask (for a good asking format) |
| 07:20.00 | fredl | ajavid, I know, tnx. Getting there, getting there :) |
| 07:20.11 | ajavid | fredl, /msg dpkg smart questions; /msg dpkg sicco |
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| 07:20.46 | fredl | I also want to really document the crap out of this new server I'm building right now and do it as well as I possibly can completely from scratch. |
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| 07:22.00 | fredl | I'm wondering if I can create a fully automated netboot setup on my NAS (running Linux as well) that would let me completely restore my server setup. |
| 07:22.06 | ajavid | fredl, one thing. if you don't know how to use something, read its manpage |
| 07:22.19 | ajavid | why netboot? |
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| 07:22.32 | fredl | ajavid - you're being kind :) I'm not a newbie though. |
| 07:22.32 | ajavid | if? yes you can |
| 07:22.34 | ajavid | !preseeding |
| 07:22.34 | dpkg | [preseed] a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the installation process, without having to manually enter the answers while the installation is running. |
| 07:23.18 | fredl | well with setting up a netboot I imagine I could do a very fast disaster recovery. |
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| 07:23.28 | ajavid | after you boot the installer you can forget about it until you're greeted with however you configured it to end with |
| 07:23.31 | ajavid | X or cli |
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| 07:24.28 | abbe | hi everyone |
| 07:24.32 | ajavid | hi |
| 07:24.37 | ajavid | !greet abbe |
| 07:24.37 | dpkg | Howdy, abbe |
| 07:24.47 | abbe | hello ajavid :) |
| 07:24.48 | fredl | I also should read up more about the latest backup tools I guess. |
| 07:24.59 | ajavid | !what to backup |
| 07:24.59 | dpkg | A list of some of the things you should back up on your box is: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor this list to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf ... |
| 07:25.05 | abbe | i'm trying to install xen on debian "lenny". |
| 07:25.06 | ajavid | !backuppc |
| 07:25.10 | ajavid | no factoirla |
| 07:25.13 | ajavid | factoid |
| 07:25.47 | abbe | and after following debian's wiki on Xen, i've installed: xen-linux-system-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64. now when I see grub's config, i don't see any entry for booting xen. |
| 07:26.09 | abbe | Do i've to manually add that or there is some package I need to install to do that ? |
| 07:26.15 | fredl | yeah I've set up a simple backup a long time ago which rsynch's a bunch of important files and directories, databases etc. |
| 07:26.15 | dutchfish | abbe, have yo installed the xenified kernel? |
| 07:26.15 | ajavid | abbe, on lenny it is 2.6.26 |
| 07:26.36 | fredl | but after I had a flameout onmy boot disk I found that recovering from those took quite a long time. |
| 07:26.39 | ajavid | abbe, did you upgrade from etch? |
| 07:26.49 | abbe | dutchfish: xen-linux-system-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 depends on xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-amd64, linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 |
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| 07:27.02 | abbe | nop, this is a fresh install using debootstrap from Arch GNU/Linux. |
| 07:27.21 | abbe | so i've installed xen-linux-system-* package |
| 07:27.21 | dutchfish | abbe, ok then you have can later /boot/grub/menu.lst manually |
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| 07:27.30 | ajavid | oh ok |
| 07:27.30 | fredl | oh, I also installed Xen the other day just to try it out. The howto page I followed said I should just reboot after installing the packages required and it should boot up the Xen kernel. |
| 07:28.04 | fredl | that didn't work though, I think it may have something to do with having LILO installed instead of grub. didn't give it much more thought for now. |
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| 07:29.02 | fredl | abbe - did the xenified kernel not start up for you either? |
| 07:29.08 | abbe | my config: http://pastebin.ca/1571592 . so, i've to just add 'multiboot path-to-xen-kernel' and shift 'kernel' and 'initrd' lines as 'module' |
| 07:29.32 | abbe | fredl: i've not rebooted yet, just wondering if there is anything else i've to do. |
| 07:29.40 | dutchfish | abbe, you need something like this: http://debian.pastebin.com/m786e0b32 |
| 07:29.56 | dutchfish | abbe, oh i use solely grub |
| 07:30.02 | abbe | dutchfish: thats grub2 |
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| 07:30.24 | fredl | Hmm, laterz folks |
| 07:30.26 | abbe | i've a gpt disk on which centos failed to boot |
| 07:30.35 | dutchfish | abbe, nope, grub legacy |
| 07:30.46 | FailPowah | OpenTokix, Arrowmaster ok thanks, looks like turning it off is best then |
| 07:31.06 | abbe | thanks dutchfish and ajavid . i'll adapt your config to my needs. |
| 07:31.16 | dutchfish | nods |
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| 07:37.31 | AruNatsu | when a package installation was halted before its completion, how can i remove dpkg's half-configured pkg info? |
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| 07:39.02 | dutchfish | Arafangion, dpkg purge foo (if you used dpkg) otherwise aptitude purge foo |
| 07:40.45 | dutchfish | Arafangion, dpkg --purge foo* |
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| 07:40.58 | Arafangion | dutchfish: Fix your tab key. :) |
| 07:41.15 | dutchfish | Arafangion, oh, sorry yes, thnak you |
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| 07:42.10 | ajavid | abbe, you're welcome, but I did nothing! |
| 07:42.17 | ajavid | don't blame me if your computer blows up :) |
| 07:42.28 | ajavid | blame dutchfish he supported you! :) hehehe |
| 07:42.41 | ajavid | j/k of course |
| 07:42.52 | abbe | hehe, you greeted me with a warm welcome in this hot summer :) |
| 07:43.20 | AruNatsu | dutchfish: thank you |
| 07:43.23 | ajavid | :) |
| 07:43.33 | dutchfish | AruNatsu, yw |
| 07:43.41 | ajavid | !dutchfish++ |
| 07:43.49 | ajavid | !karma dutchfish |
| 07:43.50 | dpkg | dutchfish has karma of 3 |
| 07:43.55 | ajavid | !karma ajavid |
| 07:43.55 | dpkg | ajavid has karma of 1 |
| 07:43.56 | dutchfish | !coffee ajavid |
| 07:43.56 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Tanzanian for ajavid, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 07:43.58 | ajavid | ah! |
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| 07:44.01 | ajavid | :( |
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| 07:44.13 | ajavid | thanks, I like milk, I HATE coffee :) |
| 07:44.21 | ajavid | can drink milk all day everyday like water |
| 07:44.40 | abbe | reboots. |
| 07:44.40 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 07:46.11 | smacnay | When I mount a dvd or cd as user1, I cannot umount it. Only user2, who is not logged in, can umount. |
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| 07:46.42 | ajavid | what are the permissions on the mountpoint? |
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| 07:46.57 | ajavid | smacnay, also, you're using pmount or something? |
| 07:47.08 | ajavid | smacnay, mount expressly needs root access. |
| 07:47.20 | smacnay | ajavid, I am using whatever Gnome/nautilus does by default |
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| 07:47.22 | cousin_mario | hello |
| 07:47.25 | cahoot | unles one set user or users in fstab |
| 07:47.40 | ajavid | cahoot, he would have known if he did that |
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| 07:47.47 | ajavid | I don't do nautilus, no clue |
| 07:48.00 | cousin_mario | what would happen if I didn't specify a "Pin:" line for a package in /etc/apt/preferences? Would the current version be enforced or none at all? |
| 07:48.45 | dutchfish | cousin_mario, only if the new version holds a higher version number |
| 07:49.01 | ajavid | cousin_mario, if you don't pin anything, nothing is pinned, higher version number will take priority according to default |
| 07:49.01 | dutchfish | cousin_mario, or deps dictate it |
| 07:49.18 | cousin_mario | ok |
| 07:49.29 | cousin_mario | I can't pin a (nonstandard) package for some reason |
| 07:49.30 | ajavid | cousin_mario, pin either version, origin, release |
| 07:49.30 | smacnay | the mount point is /media/cdrom->/media/cdrom0 and is listed as root:root for ownership and lrwxrwxrwx for permissions |
| 07:49.44 | dutchfish | !tell cousin_mario about hold |
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| 07:50.12 | ajavid | cousin_mario, are you on stable? |
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| 07:50.24 | ajavid | !pinning |
| 07:50.24 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 07:50.27 | cousin_mario | ajavid: yes |
| 07:50.31 | ajavid | do not use pinning. |
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| 07:50.44 | cousin_mario | a nonstandard package needs an older version |
| 07:50.50 | ajavid | which package> |
| 07:50.59 | ajavid | and what version? |
| 07:51.00 | cousin_mario | I've managed to do a similar thing elsewhere but I can't replicate it here |
| 07:51.08 | cousin_mario | ajavid: zarafa |
| 07:51.14 | ajavid | judd versions zarafa |
| 07:51.15 | judd | ajavid: zarafa -- |
| 07:51.19 | ajavid | ... |
| 07:51.29 | ajavid | its not an official package? |
| 07:51.32 | cousin_mario | no |
| 07:51.36 | ajavid | its not supported here. |
| 07:51.45 | cousin_mario | I'm asking about apt not zarafa |
| 07:51.48 | ajavid | don't pin you will more than likely break |
| 07:52.00 | ajavid | cousin_mario, I advise dutchfish |
| 07:52.03 | cousin_mario | I'm using dpkg hold atm |
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| 07:52.18 | cousin_mario | it's ugly though |
| 07:52.21 | ajavid | cousin_mario, just hold that package |
| 07:52.33 | ajavid | cousin_mario, aptitude hold zarafa |
| 07:52.52 | cousin_mario | I get a notice every time I do an apt-get upgrade |
| 07:52.57 | ajavid | don't use apt-get |
| 07:53.10 | ajavid | read the factoid carefully |
| 07:53.12 | smacnay | If I try to run umount in console, I get "umount: only user1 can unmount /dev/scd0 from /media/cdrom0" |
| 07:53.35 | ajavid | !tell cousin_mario -about why aptitude |
| 07:53.41 | dutchfish | cousin_mario, tip: you prolly need: echo libvmime0 hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 07:53.57 | ajavid | dutchfish, is that what it depends on? |
| 07:54.12 | dutchfish | prolly |
| 07:54.13 | cousin_mario | dutchfish: that's what I did |
| 07:54.15 | cousin_mario | and it works |
| 07:54.21 | dutchfish | there you go |
| 07:54.28 | ajavid | dependencies will not be upgraded if that means if breaks functionality of a held package |
| 07:54.31 | cousin_mario | I'd rather use package pinning |
| 07:54.32 | ajavid | its not required or needed |
| 07:54.36 | ajavid | s/if/it |
| 07:54.45 | cousin_mario | I know, but it's for libvmime |
| 07:54.50 | ajavid | doesnt' matter |
| 07:54.50 | dutchfish | ajavid, true |
| 07:54.52 | ajavid | any package |
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| 07:55.09 | cousin_mario | no other package I use depends on the newer version |
| 07:55.55 | cahoot | smacnay: I'd try to add the mount option 'users' for iso9660 in gconf-editor->system->default_options-> |
| 07:56.14 | ajavid | gconf == worse than regedit |
| 07:56.32 | cahoot | and...? |
| 07:56.46 | ajavid | and nothing |
| 07:57.00 | ajavid | cahoot, did you wish to add something? |
| 07:57.11 | smacnay | cahoot, thanks for the tip |
| 07:57.47 | cousin_mario | dutchfish: ok..how do I remove the package hold? |
| 07:57.52 | ajavid | smacnay, if I may advise against gnome/nautilus, ime if you want an easy to use desktop where stuff just works, and is more easily configurable and usable, try KDE or xfce4 |
| 07:58.03 | cahoot | ajavid: I just found it a rsther useless comment - not really helping the OP |
| 07:58.04 | ajavid | gnome is just horrible. xfce4 is still gtk2, lightwieght |
| 07:58.21 | ajavid | cahoot, it was leading upto a point |
| 07:58.32 | ajavid | cahoot, try not to jump to gun so quickly. |
| 07:58.40 | cahoot | haha |
| 07:58.47 | ajavid | guns are bad mmkay |
| 07:58.49 | dutchfish | cousin_mario, apt-get unhold, but there are others as well |
| 07:59.15 | dutchfish | cousin_mario, echo libvmime0 unhold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 07:59.24 | ajavid | cahoot, point being, if they can't be bothered to have something better than gconf... they are no better than windows. |
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| 07:59.36 | smacnay | ajavid, do you really like kde? Is it not more bloated than Gnome? I am not trying to start a war but I have found gnome to be pretty usable. xfce worked for me but I haven't tried it in some time |
| 07:59.41 | ajavid | crap crap and utter crap. xfce or lxde or just.. .anything other than gnome |
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| 08:00.12 | ajavid | smacnay, no wars. just advice. you're not BOUND to gnome you know.. |
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| 08:00.41 | smacnay | ajavid, you obviously don't like gnome. fair enough. I haven't tried anything but Gnome in about 2 years. Maybe I should look at something else. |
| 08:00.42 | ajavid | there are other better and more featureful alternatives |
| 08:00.46 | cousin_mario | dutchfish: "dpkg: unknown wanted status at line 1: unhold" |
| 08:00.51 | ajavid | smacnay, oh oh dude |
| 08:00.58 | ajavid | smacnay, then I think you should give some of them a shot |
| 08:01.01 | smacnay | ajavid, which do you prefer right now. |
| 08:01.02 | ajavid | !xwinman |
| 08:01.03 | dpkg | xwinman is, like, probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 08:01.09 | ajavid | smacnay, I am currently using kde 3.5.10 |
| 08:01.19 | ajavid | smacnay, I would actually just go and check out a bunch of these |
| 08:01.26 | ajavid | smacnay, if yo udon't like them, no big deal |
| 08:01.30 | smacnay | ajavid, thanks - I will. |
| 08:01.33 | smacnay | ajavid, true |
| 08:01.34 | ajavid | smacnay, i fyou like gnome, go with it, whatever is comfortable |
| 08:01.34 | dutchfish | cousin_mario, oh, the try aptitude -f foo |
| 08:01.45 | ajavid | smacnay, but please do experience what theopensouce world has to offer |
| 08:01.46 | ajavid | :) |
| 08:01.53 | ajavid | (apart from gnome) |
| 08:01.54 | dutchfish | cousin_mario, oh, the try aptitude -f unhold foo |
| 08:02.01 | smacnay | ajavid, to install a base kde system... is it kde-base? |
| 08:02.06 | ajavid | !install kde |
| 08:02.07 | dpkg | For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version> <install kde4> |
| 08:02.22 | ajavid | smacnay, btw, its a myth that kde is bloatware anymore |
| 08:02.50 | smacnay | ajavid, I might need to resize some of these lvm volumes to make /usr big enough... |
| 08:03.02 | ajavid | smacnay, it used to be, but if you use kde and gnome together (each applications) obviously you're loading 2 diff toolkits, libs in mem, just tons of stuff |
| 08:03.13 | ajavid | that is why most people down or either kde or gnome |
| 08:03.25 | ajavid | they say oh gnome is bloat, or kde is blaot when the real bloat is in thier heads |
| 08:03.32 | smacnay | ajavid, I would use only one. |
| 08:03.46 | dutchfish | cousin_mario, you also can use aptitude in interactive mode and search th emanually installed, press - to remove it and reinstall |
| 08:03.59 | ajavid | if you mix kde and gnome apps together, just know that you'll be loading up a lot of stuff in mem from both toolkits and libs |
| 08:04.12 | ajavid | that is heavy on resources especially if you have a mild or weak pc |
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| 08:04.50 | smacnay | ajavid, kdebase is installing - I will try it out. |
| 08:05.16 | ajavid | smacnay, you'll find it is much more better as a desktop than gnome |
| 08:05.23 | smacnay | gotta love hisg speed - this would have taken hours 10 years ago |
| 08:05.26 | ajavid | smacnay, in my long experience, this is what I have concluded |
| 08:05.43 | ajavid | smacnay, I'm not biased, except toward performance and features etc. |
| 08:05.44 | smacnay | ajavid, I like to hear from people who try out different stuff |
| 08:05.54 | ajavid | smacnay, I'm a nerd |
| 08:05.59 | ajavid | smacnay, I live my life in front of a computer |
| 08:06.06 | dutchfish | cousin_mario, on lenny/etch you might: echo foo install | dpkg --set-selecions |
| 08:06.12 | smacnay | ajavid, I like performance and simplicity... |
| 08:06.20 | ajavid | smacnay, you will love kde |
| 08:06.33 | smacnay | I hate unnecessary bloat but do love convenience. |
| 08:06.33 | ajavid | smacnay, I use debian kde cd1 and nothing else anymore :) |
| 08:06.45 | ajavid | smacnay, well, you are not runing a box wm |
| 08:06.50 | ajavid | its a full Desktop Solution |
| 08:07.05 | ajavid | and its not really bloat if yo udon't load up and start up a whole shit load of stuff |
| 08:07.11 | ajavid | 256mb is plenty for kde 3.5.10 |
| 08:07.12 | smacnay | ajavid, I used to run openbox and mostly console apps but now realize to integrate with others, I need a lot of the gui apps like openoffice just to work. |
| 08:07.15 | ajavid | 512 is awesome |
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| 08:07.20 | ajavid | 1gb is fantastic |
| 08:07.27 | ajavid | im sure you're better than 512 mb ram |
| 08:07.31 | smacnay | ajavid, seems kde4 is installing |
| 08:07.37 | ajavid | smacnay, you're not on stable? |
| 08:07.40 | smacnay | ajavid, yes, I am now |
| 08:07.42 | smacnay | ajavid, no |
| 08:07.47 | ajavid | well kde4 sucks |
| 08:07.50 | ajavid | dont use kde |
| 08:07.51 | ajavid | go back to gnome |
| 08:08.02 | ajavid | (or use xfce4) |
| 08:08.14 | ajavid | I thought you were on stable, kde3.5.10 kicks ass |
| 08:08.18 | dutchfish | ajavid, i use kde4 all day long |
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| 08:08.22 | smacnay | ajavid, haha - is it really that bad? |
| 08:08.29 | ajavid | smacnay, you have no idea. |
| 08:08.36 | smacnay | ajavid, haha |
| 08:08.41 | ajavid | if i say go back to gnome |
| 08:08.41 | dutchfish | ajavid, be aware we are not all the same |
| 08:08.45 | ajavid | yeah, kde4 is bad. |
| 08:08.48 | cousin_mario | dutchfish: it's curious... dpkg --get-selections shows the wanted package to be set as "install" instead of "hold" |
| 08:08.52 | dutchfish | ajavid, and have the freedom of choice |
| 08:08.59 | ajavid | if you are worried about bloat, kde4 is ultimate bloat |
| 08:08.59 | cousin_mario | yet the upgrade is still being held |
| 08:09.03 | smacnay | ajavid, for some reason you are making me laugh hard. Must be the insomnia. |
| 08:09.13 | ajavid | smacnay, I'm just giving my opinions |
| 08:09.23 | ajavid | smacnay, 'opinions' |
| 08:09.24 | ajavid | :) |
| 08:09.27 | dutchfish | cousin_mario, yep, if you know update && upgrade it will be updated to latest |
| 08:09.31 | smacnay | ajavid, I appreciate that |
| 08:09.39 | ajavid | smacnay, btw, kde4 is actually way too bloated |
| 08:09.51 | dutchfish | cousin_mario, then you will be back at square one |
| 08:09.57 | ajavid | smacnay, you don't want kde4, trust me. you can try it, but you will probably dislike it |
| 08:10.00 | smacnay | ajavid, I am not trying to insult you are all - it is just the course of our conversation has tickled me. |
| 08:10.09 | ajavid | smacnay, oh i totally understand |
| 08:10.18 | ajavid | smacnay, I thought originally you were on stable so i recommended kde |
| 08:10.20 | smacnay | ajavid, I will try it out and, at worst, remove it. |
| 08:10.22 | ajavid | otherwise I never would have |
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| 08:10.33 | ajavid | I would NEVER advise anyone to use kde4 |
| 08:10.34 | ajavid | EVER. |
| 08:10.42 | smacnay | ajavid, let me try it - back in a sec |
| 08:10.45 | ajavid | word |
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| 08:11.13 | dutchfish | ajavid, maybe thats ok, but i never owuld advise any window manager because it is a personal choice |
| 08:11.29 | ajavid | dutchfish, yes, agreed |
| 08:11.34 | ajavid | dutchfish, which is why I created this factoid |
| 08:11.37 | ajavid | !xwinman |
| 08:11.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 08:11.45 | ajavid | I told him to go try them and find one he likes |
| 08:12.10 | ajavid | I also told him my opinion and what I recommennd |
| 08:12.17 | dutchfish | ajavid, the only valid arument in this is: use what should your needs |
| 08:12.17 | ajavid | I CAN give recommendations, can't I? |
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| 08:12.40 | ajavid | dutchfish, most peole can't distinguish between needs and wants unfortunately |
| 08:12.47 | ajavid | dutchfish, ideally that would be the best way to go, yes |
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| 08:12.55 | ajavid | dutchfish, unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world. |
| 08:12.56 | dutchfish | ajavid, then you can help with that np |
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| 08:13.10 | ajavid | dutchfish, I am aren't I? |
| 08:13.10 | StapleAttack | i cant get debian fatcow edition to open notepad |
| 08:13.11 | smacnay | I did ask for his opinion so he can tell me whatever he wants. And I appreciated it. |
| 08:13.15 | dutchfish | ajavid, as long as dont say dont use KDE ever |
| 08:13.23 | ajavid | I never said that |
| 08:13.26 | dutchfish | ajavid, becaus eit depends |
| 08:13.34 | majhool | obviously you should just use fvwm2 |
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| 08:13.42 | ajavid | I said explicitly that I would never recommend kde4 |
| 08:13.50 | dutchfish | ajavid, ok |
| 08:13.55 | ajavid | I never told him to NOT use it. I said use it, find out for yoruself, bu tyo probably won't like it |
| 08:14.04 | smacnay | ajavid, thanks - I do appreciate the candid advice |
| 08:14.09 | ajavid | look man |
| 08:14.12 | ajavid | I lay it out for you |
| 08:14.20 | ajavid | you make your own decicions.I can't make them for you |
| 08:14.21 | ajavid | enjoy |
| 08:14.23 | smacnay | and that is what I wanted |
| 08:14.46 | ajavid | smacnay, your'e welcome |
| 08:14.48 | redstick | openbox is the best WM, fyi |
| 08:14.54 | redstick | ;p |
| 08:15.05 | JNSamuel | nah vmware++ |
| 08:15.10 | ajavid | !best |
| 08:15.10 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 08:15.13 | smacnay | ajavid, thanks - I will - I might come back in here screaming about kde4 or I might try it out for a bit- I usually like/dislike something pretty quickly. |
| 08:15.20 | smacnay | brb |
| 08:15.31 | ajavid | I don't support kde4 |
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| 08:15.38 | smacnay | ajavid, I gathered that |
| 08:15.39 | ajavid | I thought I made that clear |
| 08:15.41 | ajavid | word |
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| 08:16.41 | JNSamuel | eh? |
| 08:16.45 | ajavid | hm |
| 08:16.53 | JNSamuel | no one said a word about KDE |
| 08:16.59 | ajavid | no |
| 08:17.01 | ajavid | man word dude |
| 08:17.07 | ajavid | word = like 'cool' or 'ok' |
| 08:17.17 | ajavid | like you know, the 'WORD' of God |
| 08:17.22 | ajavid | etc. etc. |
| 08:17.32 | cousin_mario | ok thanks everybody |
| 08:17.33 | cousin_mario | bye! |
| 08:17.35 | ajavid | its the word man |
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| 08:17.37 | ajavid | bye |
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| 08:17.50 | JNSamuel | ah, i know what you mean. the word of nobody |
| 08:18.01 | Allah | ok i just installed the d3bian 6.5 mod on my VPS |
| 08:18.03 | StapleAttack | how do i get my debian fatcow edition to show me naked women? |
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| 08:18.07 | Allah | secret debian release |
| 08:18.08 | themill | takes away ajavid's enter key |
| 08:18.11 | ajavid | Allah, there is no such thing as that |
| 08:18.14 | ajavid | themill, oops. |
| 08:18.16 | Allah | oh yes there is |
| 08:18.35 | Allah | i just dled it |
| 08:18.35 | Allah | its amazing |
| 08:18.37 | ajavid | 6.0 will be squeeze |
| 08:18.43 | StapleAttack | did you dl it from the same place you got mirc? |
| 08:18.43 | Allah | this is 6.5 |
| 08:18.47 | ajavid | there is no 6.5 debian mod or whatever |
| 08:18.47 | Allah | yeah |
| 08:18.50 | JNSamuel | shoot yourself |
| 08:18.53 | ajavid | StapleAttack, where did you download it from |
| 08:18.56 | Allah | look man |
| 08:18.57 | ajavid | JNSamuel, relax |
| 08:19.12 | ajavid | Allah, could I please ask you to change your nickname? |
| 08:19.17 | themill | Allah: please troll elsewhere or ask a sensible debian user support question |
| 08:19.18 | StapleAttack | i downloaded it from www.reversecowgirl.com |
| 08:19.19 | Allah | d3bian 6.5 mod was coded by Wayne Jones of the Debian blackhats society |
| 08:19.19 | ajavid | Allah, it is very offensive to me. |
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| 08:19.35 | ajavid | please change your nickname kindly |
| 08:19.45 | Runge | me? |
| 08:19.50 | majhool | no |
| 08:19.50 | JNSamuel | O_o |
| 08:19.51 | themill | Allah: wrong channel for that sort of muck. |
| 08:19.51 | linXea | I just connected a windows-computer to my homenetwork for the first time in many years. Im a bit rusty on the SAMBA-area. I have the default packages from selecting "file-server" at install so I have samba. I've configured smb.conf according to the doc and networkbrowsing on the windowscomputer works great but still my linuxcomputer which Im using right now dosen't show up on the windowscompuiter... The easy solution would be to get rid |
| 08:19.57 | ajavid | themill, please do something |
| 08:20.09 | morpheuss | please change the nick Allah |
| 08:20.18 | ajavid | themill, thanks |
| 08:20.24 | Runge | i think Morpheus is malaysian |
| 08:20.37 | Arafangion | concurs that Allah's nick should be changed. |
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| 08:20.47 | morpheuss | lol Runge |
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| 08:20.53 | themill | doesn't think it's a topic for #debian |
| 08:20.58 | morpheuss | i doesnt matter where am i from |
| 08:21.02 | JNSamuel | linXea: no windows no comprende the operating system of the profit making dirty business man |
| 08:21.02 | ajavid | linXea, hi |
| 08:21.03 | Runge | what is so bad about the name allah? |
| 08:21.08 | ajavid | linXea, aptitude install samba smbclient |
| 08:21.09 | Runge | its just a harmless nickname |
| 08:21.17 | themill | If you want to discuss network policy, please go #freenode |
| 08:21.18 | ajavid | linXea, sudo nano /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 08:21.29 | morpheuss | do we have some rules here? |
| 08:21.31 | Arafangion | Runge: It essentially means God, but something's lost in translation. |
| 08:21.31 | ajavid | linXea, after which you can set your settings, consult the samba docs for that |
| 08:21.36 | israelVSAllah | israel eat muslim childs |
| 08:21.40 | israelVSAllah | allah suck jewish penis |
| 08:21.46 | linXea | Sorry guys... I see.. I didn't mean to offend you at all |
| 08:21.46 | ajavid | linXea, after you set your share in linux (as a samba server) |
| 08:21.56 | ajavid | linXea, you do sudo smbpasswd -a yourusername |
| 08:21.58 | JNSamuel | allah means god, some people find god offensive because of all the religious nonsense over something that doesn't exist |
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| 08:22.17 | Runge | turns and walks over to ajavid, saying, "I saw you ... I saw you burying your face in those pillows ... I tied you here to make you watch ... to make you suffer ... to makey you want crave and confess your aching need to be FUCKED" |
| 08:22.20 | ajavid | linXea, also in /etc/samba/smb.conf please make sure you have security = user |
| 08:22.26 | ajavid | Runge, stop. |
| 08:22.31 | smacnay | ajavid, weird - kdm is running but I still wind up in Gnome on startup... |
| 08:22.45 | israelVSAllah | join #allah in the name of israel |
| 08:22.45 | linXea | ajavid: I've done all that |
| 08:22.46 | ajavid | linXea, after which you can /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 08:22.55 | Arafangion | JNSamuel: That is a very strong assertation. Do you mean to deny all spirital phenomena and other things not explained by science? (Such as the beginning of time)? |
| 08:22.57 | ajavid | linXea, now you can connect to your debian machine via windows |
| 08:22.59 | themill | israelVSAllah, Runge: enough |
| 08:23.01 | jel | JNSamuel: that's one way of looking at it. Another is that it's important to them, so they like it to be respected. You don't have to believe what people believe to respect their belief |
| 08:23.02 | Runge | looks at ajavid and says, "like a shameless, wanton slut ... who exists for no other purpose than pleasing Me ... working My cock so delightfully anywhere I place it ... that I can't help but explode ... over ... and over ... and over again ... 'til My gballs are weak and shriveled." |
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| 08:23.08 | linXea | ajavid: it's the wins-server part Im uncertain about |
| 08:23.17 | smacnay | ajavid, nevermind - I know why |
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| 08:23.21 | JNSamuel | theres no proof of god, why should i believe? |
| 08:23.23 | linXea | Dont even know what that is.. |
| 08:23.31 | themill | Runge: Please take a timeout from #debian and be more signal and less noise in the future |
| 08:23.34 | ajavid | linXea, in order to connect to windows FROM debian, you can simply just do it via smbfs, or cifs, or via smb4k, or via konqueror/nautilus smb:// |
| 08:23.41 | Arafangion | JNSamuel: That is a very different assertation. |
| 08:23.51 | JNSamuel | not really. |
| 08:24.00 | ajavid | linXea, if your irc client support, please grep for my nickname or watch for your hilights |
| 08:24.08 | JNSamuel | if it doesn't exist, then its pointless believing in it |
| 08:24.10 | themill | Arafangion, JNSamuel: please take this to a /msg or to #debian-offtopic |
| 08:24.13 | israelVSAllah | themill: how do i watch X rated movies with notepad like my brother does? |
| 08:24.14 | linXea | ajavid: Thank you ajavid .. much appreciated.. Sorry guys if I offended you with this "dirty" question.. |
| 08:24.17 | cahoot | Arafangion: why perpetuate the OT ramblings? |
| 08:24.17 | ajavid | linXea, at exactly which step are you failing to make the connection between the computers? |
| 08:24.18 | Arafangion | JNSamuel: The first assertation was that he didn't exist. The second, was that he might exist, but you've got no proof, so why should you concern yourself over him? |
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| 08:24.24 | ajavid | linXea, you did nothing wrong |
| 08:24.27 | ajavid | linXea, you're fine. |
| 08:24.37 | Arafangion | cahoot: I shall stop now. |
| 08:24.38 | ajavid | linXea, we just got some trolls in here no problem |
| 08:24.53 | linXea | ajavid: The part when my computer should show up on the "nasty" windowscomputer.. |
| 08:25.13 | linXea | ajavid: I see... not that uncommon unfortunatly = / |
| 08:25.15 | ajavid | linXea, ok, in a long line, tell me exactly what you've done uptil now |
| 08:26.23 | linXea | smb.conf settings.. workgroup, security= share and all that... I added anither shared dir execpt from [home] and activated WINS-support. |
| 08:26.42 | ajavid | I don't know anything about WINS |
| 08:26.52 | majhool | it shouldn't be necessary for something like this |
| 08:26.53 | linXea | I added accounts for two of my users smbpasswd -a stuff |
| 08:26.56 | ajavid | neither have I ever messed with a share level security |
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| 08:27.12 | quentusrex | Where do I go for a quick debian packaging question? |
| 08:27.34 | majhool | linXea: you said the debian computer doesn't show up if you try to browse the network on the windows computer, correct? |
| 08:27.34 | quentusrex | I am trying to create a data package, and it's only job is to copy a set of files to a directory. |
| 08:27.35 | ajavid | quentusrex, what it is? usually #debian-devel on irc.debian.org (but try here first) |
| 08:27.35 | linXea | security = share should just allow anyone browse the shared folders.. |
| 08:27.42 | peterrooney | quentusrex: here is good, usually, unless it's a developer question |
| 08:27.43 | linXea | majhool: coorect |
| 08:27.50 | ajavid | linXea, try #samba |
| 08:27.59 | ajavid | linXea, your problem is specifically samba related |
| 08:28.04 | linXea | ajavid: I will.. and again, thank you =) |
| 08:28.06 | ajavid | linXea, there are gurus in there |
| 08:28.08 | ajavid | linXea, np |
| 08:28.17 | quentusrex | my debian/rules file could be fine with cp debian/files/* /etc/freeswitch/sounds/ |
| 08:28.20 | majhool | linXea: have you tried connecting to the debian machines ip address, doing something like //ip.ad.dr.ess in run? |
| 08:28.22 | majhool | oops |
| 08:28.23 | quentusrex | is that the proper way to do this? |
| 08:28.32 | ajavid | majhool, \\ |
| 08:28.43 | majhool | !!!! |
| 08:28.43 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 08:28.51 | ajavid | majhool, windows is \\ |
| 08:29.01 | majhool | yeah :( |
| 08:29.07 | linXea | majhool: I have done that.. responds back with port:22 is closed |
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| 08:29.23 | ajavid | it should be using 135-139 |
| 08:29.25 | majhool | port 22? |
| 08:29.26 | majhool | yea |
| 08:29.27 | ajavid | not 22 |
| 08:29.32 | linXea | 22 dosen't have anything with samba to do right ? |
| 08:29.35 | ajavid | nope |
| 08:29.45 | linXea | ^^exactly.. 22=SSH if I remember correctly |
| 08:29.49 | majhool | the windows computer errors out with "port:22 is closed"? |
| 08:29.53 | majhool | it's the default ssh port, yes |
| 08:30.01 | linXea | nope, just the linuccompp |
| 08:30.34 | linXea | Im off to #samba.. Thank you majhool :) |
| 08:30.38 | majhool | ok good luck |
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| 08:32.00 | ajavid | !dpkg.web.search |
| 08:32.00 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
| 08:33.08 | morpheuss | pathetic |
| 08:33.14 | ajavid | ... |
| 08:33.31 | ajavid | morpheuss, what is pathetic> |
| 08:33.37 | majhool | the trolls |
| 08:33.51 | ajavid | i hope he wasn't referring to the web interface |
| 08:34.04 | majhool | heh |
| 08:34.20 | ajavid | morpheuss, if you DO have a problem with it, make a better one, don't just troll. |
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| 08:35.33 | glicks | hey, is anyone else having a problem recording in audacity, it keeps saying it cant open my ALSA QuickCam Pro 9000 |
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| 08:35.52 | glicks | and i cant unmute it in alsamixer |
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| 08:47.09 | redstick | btw guys, i did get that old compaq on the innerwebz, the usb wireless works pretty well, it turns out |
| 08:47.12 | redstick | thanks a lot |
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| 08:48.23 | redstick | still havent figured out how to get my ethernet card going but im not giving up |
| 08:48.25 | cahoot | glicks: alsa sees i as card 0 or card1? |
| 08:48.39 | cahoot | glicks: alsa sees it as card0 or card1? |
| 08:49.01 | glicks | come again cahoot ? |
| 08:49.40 | cahoot | glicks: if you plug in the camera and run cat /proc/asound/cards - which card# corresponds to the cam? |
| 08:50.27 | glicks | card1 cahoot |
| 08:50.43 | cahoot | glicks: and if you run alsamixer -c1 |
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| 08:51.29 | glicks | its blank cahoot |
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| 08:51.45 | glicks | oh wait |
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| 08:52.12 | glicks | cahoot, ok, what do you want me to look for/do in alsamizer |
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| 08:52.35 | cahoot | unmute? and enable capture? |
| 08:52.52 | cahoot | (possibly) |
| 08:53.11 | glicks | cahoot, i dont see an option, but the volume is at 100 |
| 08:53.16 | glicks | the capture volume that is |
| 08:53.31 | cahoot | no 00 or mm at the bottom? |
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| 08:53.50 | glicks | no cahoot |
| 08:54.03 | glicks | i can take a screen if you want |
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| 08:54.14 | cahoot | no I believe you |
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| 08:54.59 | xaashi | hi is there a way to reset apt, i have a package that didn't install properly and that i cant remove now |
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| 08:55.54 | cahoot | glicks: this might be leading you nowhere, but I found gamix helpful when fixing the mic on my laptop |
| 08:55.58 | JNSamuel | aptitude purge package |
| 08:56.06 | glicks | hmm |
| 08:56.08 | glicks | ill check it out |
| 08:56.20 | xaashi | JNSamuel: purge doesn't work, have tried |
| 08:56.33 | JNSamuel | that bad? |
| 08:56.45 | JNSamuel | must be that badly corrupted |
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| 08:57.25 | JNSamuel | have you tried 'reinstall'? |
| 08:57.28 | xaashi | JNSamuel: sadly, this is the errors i get http://debian.pastebin.com/m1b4b18f2 |
| 08:57.29 | cahoot | xaashi: might try apt-get install -f |
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| 08:58.05 | wm4 | where are the uuids in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ stored? in the partition table? in the filesystem on the partition? something else? |
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| 08:58.17 | xaashi | JNSamuel: resinstall doesn't either the file gets downloaded and i get a md5sum mismatch |
| 08:58.38 | cfc8acc0ad6eaef9 | hello, I've noticed that when I attempt to restart networking on my router via ssh, this does not seem to succeed, leading to a situation where I will either need to hook up keyboard and monitor to it or just plainly reboot it. I even tried running the commands inside a screen to try to prevent them from being 'cancelled' when the connection goes down, but that didn't work either. is there a working way of doing this? |
| 08:58.46 | xaashi | cahoot: re-running apt-get install -f now, but last i tried it has the same error as reinstall |
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| 08:58.50 | JNSamuel | try cahoot's answer, that'll try to fix broken packages |
| 08:58.57 | cahoot | xaashi: ok |
| 08:59.16 | nsadmin | xaashi: what's your disk status like... got enough free space? pastebin df |
| 09:00.16 | xaashi | nsadmin: plenty of space http://debian.pastebin.com/m2ec0e5a9 |
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| 09:01.51 | nsadmin | yeah, that looks good (maan, 44g /home?) |
| 09:02.21 | xaashi | nsadmin: yeah, a lot of music and sources |
| 09:02.40 | nsadmin | cfc8acc0ad6eaef9: what are the steps you use to restart it |
| 09:03.10 | cfc8acc0ad6eaef9 | nsadmin, I have been using /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 09:03.41 | nsadmin | so your router is a debian? |
| 09:03.49 | cfc8acc0ad6eaef9 | it is. |
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| 09:04.30 | cfc8acc0ad6eaef9 | it runs lenny! :) |
| 09:04.37 | nsadmin | xaashi: so anyway the actual problem is line 16 of your earlier paste |
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| 09:05.16 | nsadmin | cfc8acc0ad6eaef9: what are the other steps, first one being you ssh into the router |
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| 09:05.44 | maxagaz | hi |
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| 09:06.02 | cfc8acc0ad6eaef9 | nsadmin, umh... modify /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 09:06.03 | xaashi | nsadmin: yep, but sadly know what "/var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/iceape-flashplugin" should contain would you a copy? |
| 09:06.08 | maxagaz | how to echo foo into the begining of a text file ? |
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| 09:06.28 | nsadmin | no, I don't believe so... |
| 09:06.33 | maxagaz | like in "echo foo >> myfile" but putting foo at the end instead |
| 09:06.45 | xaashi | nsadmin: thanks anyhow |
| 09:07.29 | nsadmin | maxagaz: (echo foo ; cat a-text-file) > a-spool-file |
| 09:07.43 | nsadmin | mv a-spool-file a-text-file |
| 09:07.49 | maxagaz | nsadmin, thanks! |
| 09:08.50 | nsadmin | xaashi I would suggest removing that file (or renaming it) then reinstall iceape and the plugin for it |
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| 09:09.15 | nsadmin | then for completeness purge both and then reinstall both |
| 09:09.23 | xaashi | nsadmin: cool, will try that |
| 09:09.35 | xaashi | and report back :) |
| 09:10.04 | nsadmin | xaashi: also... |
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| 09:10.45 | nsadmin | if all that works, then file bugs against both packages detailing the problem and what you did to make it right |
| 09:11.23 | xaashi | nsadmin: cool shall do |
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| 09:13.38 | nsadmin | xaashi: finally note that none of this addresses what actually happened to corrupt the file |
| 09:13.44 | redstick | !aptitude |
| 09:13.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 09:14.05 | nsadmin | foogoo! |
| 09:14.40 | xaashi | nsadmin: no, i understand, it was my f-up at some point |
| 09:14.42 | redstick | !why aptitude |
| 09:14.42 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 09:15.38 | xaashi | nsadmin: that didn;t work |
| 09:16.05 | xaashi | is there a way to identify the files involved in an install and remove them manually, then reset apt's cache |
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| 09:18.40 | nsadmin | xaashi: could you pastebin the log of that?\ |
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| 09:19.54 | xaashi | nsadmin: http://debian.pastebin.com/m605b8acc |
| 09:20.45 | xaashi | nsadmin: install fails along the same lines also |
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| 09:22.58 | nsadmin | so it says that file is corrupt? |
| 09:23.28 | xaashi | nsadmin: yep |
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| 09:23.43 | AruNatsu | FINALLY GOT WIRELESS CONNECTION WORKING! |
| 09:23.53 | nsadmin | and so I'm guessing it makes a new file? |
| 09:24.22 | AruNatsu | ...with a netinst installation without wired connection |
| 09:24.57 | xaashi | nsadmin: i guess so, but it doesnt finf what it is looking for |
| 09:25.10 | wm4 | what's better for mass-copying files while preserving all file attributes? cp -a or rsync? |
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| 09:26.04 | nevyn | tar ;) |
| 09:26.35 | majhool | cp -a isn't portable |
| 09:26.52 | majhool | fwiw |
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| 09:27.10 | Crypticfortune | wm4: between the two, rsync |
| 09:27.36 | wm4 | Crypticfortune: ok, thanks... my I ask for an explanation for the why? |
| 09:28.09 | nsadmin | wm4: I like (cd ... ; tar cfpl - .) | (cd ..... ; tar xfp -) |
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| 09:28.51 | jetscreamer | !congratulate AruNatsu |
| 09:28.51 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies AruNatsu, you did it! |
| 09:29.27 | nsadmin | xaashi: but are the logs identical? |
| 09:29.42 | nsadmin | or is there a difference? and if so what? |
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| 09:30.31 | xaashi | nsadmin: rerunning the install now, will put all logs up |
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| 09:34.27 | zaph | hi, on one of my systems, there are a custom compiled kernel from 2006 in an etch system. Now I'm upgrading to lenny, but wants to use lenny branded kernel instead. Should I just do apt-get dist-upgrade and then apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26, or vice versa, or what should be the best approach so not to brake the system? |
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| 09:35.05 | Arafangion | zaph: Always, upgrade to the latest version of your current system - etch in this case. |
| 09:35.28 | Arafangion | zaph: The kernel itself isn't quite so important but I'd upgrade that as well just in case lenny uses functionality that doesn't exist in your custom kernel. |
| 09:35.39 | Arafangion | zaph: udev vs devfs, crap like that. |
| 09:35.49 | Arafangion | (Likewise, sysfs, and so on). |
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| 09:36.57 | pbn | Hi there, when aptitude upgrading testing, I got The following actions will resolve these dependencies: |
| 09:36.57 | zaph | Okay, yes, that was a good idea. Upgrade etch to latest, install etch's default kernel instead of the custom one, then perform dist-upgrade to lenny. Sounds like a neat approach |
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| 09:37.09 | pbn | Remove the following packages: plasma-widget-weather |
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| 09:37.18 | pbn | ... but I'd rather not have that package removed, I need it... |
| 09:37.20 | Arafangion | zaph: Also, |
| 09:37.35 | Arafangion | zaph: It doesn't hurt to check the faq's - see the topic. |
| 09:37.41 | maxagaz | how to redirect "echo foo" to my network printer ? |
| 09:37.43 | Arafangion | zaph: Infact, generally highly recommended. :) |
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| 09:38.13 | Arafangion | maxagaz: Literally just as that - echo foo > /dev/printer (Don't do that!) |
| 09:38.27 | Arafangion | maxagaz: That would've worked in the olden days, though - not neccessarily anymore. |
| 09:39.05 | maxagaz | Arafangion, anyway, it's a network printer so wouldn't work |
| 09:39.24 | majhool | maxagaz: echo foo | lpr -P$network_printer_name |
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| 09:40.15 | majhool | maxagaz: supposing you've set up debian to print to your network printer |
| 09:41.28 | zaph | Arafangion: yes, true. Should have msged dpkg first =) But that really didn't anser my custom kernel -> debian default kernel dilemma. But now I'll give it a go. Thanks! |
| 09:41.29 | AruNatsu | where can i get /etc/apt/sources.list that includes major mirros? |
| 09:41.46 | AruNatsu | mine doesn't have any (except the installation CD and security ones) :( |
| 09:41.54 | Arafangion | zaph: In practice, the kernel is less of an issue. |
| 09:42.04 | Arafangion | zaph: Just be aware. :) |
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| 09:43.53 | hark | AruNatsu: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 09:44.13 | AruNatsu | hark: ty! |
| 09:44.14 | hark | AruNatsu: also, there's an example in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 09:44.53 | AruNatsu | ah kk |
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| 09:45.32 | nsadmin | AruNatsu you'll find a list of mirrors off www.debian.org somewhere |
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| 09:47.23 | maxagaz | Arafangion, majhool, thanks |
| 09:47.37 | Arafangion | maxagaz: Again, tab key. |
| 09:48.03 | maxagaz | Arafangion, tab key ? |
| 09:49.22 | Arafangion | maxagaz: Oh, I'd forgotten I'd helped you - well, I shall take the credit regardless, thanks! |
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| 09:51.22 | xaashi | nsadmin: fixed it |
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| 09:51.46 | nsadmin | xaashi: what was it? |
| 09:52.04 | xaashi | nsadmin: solution, remove all flash files from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and re-run aptitude -f install |
| 09:52.36 | xaashi | nsadmin: however there no flash listed in the apt cache now |
| 09:52.39 | nsadmin | xaashi: those were the corrupted files? |
| 09:53.10 | xaashi | nsadmin: seems so, at least now i dont' get any more complaints about corrupt files and things that can't be unistalled |
| 09:53.24 | xaashi | don't know what caused it still though |
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| 09:53.45 | nsadmin | ok, so purge all involved packages and reinstall and see if they appear in apt-cache |
| 09:54.10 | xaashi | yep |
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| 09:55.08 | nsadmin | "however there no flash listed in the apt cache now" what did you mean exactly by apt cache? |
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| 09:55.25 | pbn | hi there... damnit, aptitude dist-upgrade on testing removed nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64, and now my X server won't start... any idea on how to fix this ? |
| 09:56.10 | nsadmin | pbn: what's your uname -r |
| 09:56.26 | xaashi | nsadmin: http://debian.pastebin.com/m7ebafcd1 |
| 09:56.36 | pbn | nsadmin: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 09:56.37 | xaashi | this is after running update |
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| 09:57.09 | pbn | nsadmin: yes |
| 09:57.18 | pbn | nsadmin: but I had the same uname -r before the update |
| 09:58.05 | hark | pbn: testing's X conflicts with nvidia-glx |
| 09:58.14 | pbn | hark: ah |
| 09:58.17 | hark | pbn: aptitude why-not nvidia-glx |
| 09:58.50 | pbn | hark: well I made a bug report about that in august, that nvidia-glx-ia32 could no longer install, and that 32-bit nvidia acceleration was broken |
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| 09:59.33 | xaashi | nsadmin: np.. sources issues, all fixed now :) |
| 09:59.36 | nsadmin | pbn what kernels do you have installed as they appear in /boot? |
| 09:59.47 | xaashi | nsadmin: thanks for all the help |
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| 10:00.10 | nsadmin | xaashi: np but you did most of the grunt work :) |
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| 10:00.30 | hark | pbn: you can use the sid package, but you might have to upgrade your kernel to the one in squeeze |
| 10:00.40 | pbn | hark: it says: i kdm Recommends xserver-xorg-core | xserver, i A xserver-xorg-core Conflicts xserver-xorg-core-video-2, p nvidia-glx Provides xserver-xorg-xore-video-2 |
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| 10:01.06 | xaashi | nsadmin: i'm not sure that this warrants a bug being raised, given the root of the problem being some idiotic package screw up i made somehwre along the line |
| 10:01.13 | hark | pbn: yes, that's the conflict |
| 10:01.14 | pbn | nsadmin: I got only one kernel, the binary Debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 10:01.34 | pbn | hark: what exactly is the problem ? (sorry I'm a bit lost with those conflicts) |
| 10:01.42 | nsadmin | pbn: aha, so it didn't upgrade your kernel |
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| 10:02.24 | nsadmin | (everyone's a bit lost with those conflicts, I'd say) |
| 10:02.36 | pbn | nsadmin: well it seems so actually :> |
| 10:03.01 | nsadmin | let's see a list of avail kernels... |
| 10:03.04 | nsadmin | !kernels |
| 10:03.06 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20090918, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.31-git9, mainline 2.6: 2.6.31 , stable 2.6: 2.6.31 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.7 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.28: 2.6.28.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.34 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.6 |
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| 10:03.53 | hark | pbn: it doesn't matter, you don't need to figure it out. if you want to use nvidia-glx, try the sid drivers or wait until they reach testing |
| 10:04.02 | nsadmin | judd versions linux-image-2.6 |
| 10:04.03 | judd | nsadmin: linux-image-2.6 -- |
| 10:04.22 | pbn | hark: yeah but it's already *one month* I'm waiting for nvidia-glx-ia32 ... |
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| 10:05.17 | themill | judd kernels |
| 10:05.18 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-7); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 10:05.34 | nsadmin | oh thanks themill |
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| 10:06.01 | themill | nsadmin: dpkg knows about kernel.org kernels, judd knows about debian kernels |
| 10:06.18 | pbn | talking about kernel, this 64-bit machine dual boots between testing 64-bit and testing 32-bit, and on testing 32-bit the last upgrade installed a binary Debian 2.6.30 kernel.... but there's no nvidia binary kernel for 2.6.30 in Debian testing ! |
| 10:06.18 | nsadmin | judd, teach dpkg |
| 10:06.19 | judd | nsadmin: Error: "teach" is not a valid command. |
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| 10:07.05 | nsadmin | it couldn't possibly be that simple... |
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| 10:07.10 | hark | pbn: you use module-assistant in those cases |
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| 10:07.33 | hark | crazy talk! |
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| 10:10.14 | pbn | hark: ok |
| 10:10.18 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 10:10.30 | pbn | hark: well I don't like module-assistant, I'd rather figure out the dependencies by myself... |
| 10:10.46 | ShapeShifter499 | can someone help me stream my computers screen to another computer? |
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| 10:11.04 | pbn | okay sorry for the delay, but I rebooted the quad-core in 32-bit testing to see what kernel it has and if there's nvidia kernel modules... |
| 10:11.22 | ShapeShifter499 | preferably my wii's media mplayer |
| 10:12.41 | nsadmin | pbn: what did you find out |
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| 10:14.31 | Kuba | hi |
| 10:14.35 | pbn | nsadmin: still the same problme... on 32-bit testing, there's a 2.6.26 nvidia-kernel package, but no 2.6.30 nvidia-kernel package... |
| 10:14.50 | Kuba | Is it possible to pause running program and put it into screen afterwards? |
| 10:15.47 | hark | no |
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| 10:16.30 | Kuba | hark: ahhhh :( |
| 10:17.28 | pbn | okay I'm not sure I understand but... things like "nvidia-kernel-173.14.09" are to be replaced with things like "nvidia-kernel-2.6-686-bigmem" |
| 10:17.32 | pbn | ... right ? |
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| 10:18.21 | hark | the latter is just a metapackage |
| 10:18.24 | arcsky | if i dont want that exim4 and rpcbind to start when i do chmod -x .. but then i see wierd things in bootup. whats the proper soultion? |
| 10:18.40 | nsadmin | pbn: no, the 173.14.09 is the nvidia driver version |
| 10:18.51 | paxcoder | can someone tell me why apt-get remove tomboy wants to remove gnome as well? is it because it's a dummy package that points to tomboy? |
| 10:18.53 | hark | !depends nvidia-kernel-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 10:18.55 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-2.6-686-bigmem: depends on nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem, linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
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| 10:19.04 | nsadmin | there's not a linux-173.14.09 today... maybe tomorrow tho... |
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| 10:19.40 | hark | paxcoder: because gnome depends on tomboy |
| 10:19.46 | paxcoder | hark: wth? why? |
| 10:19.58 | nsadmin | what's a tomboy |
| 10:20.05 | hark | paxcoder: gnome is just a metapackage, you can remove it if you want |
| 10:20.07 | paxcoder | it's a note taking prog that uses Mono |
| 10:20.14 | pbn | !whatis nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 10:20.16 | nsadmin | ohh, nm |
| 10:20.25 | paxcoder | hark: but then i can't do autoremove anymore because it wants to remove half of stuff i have. |
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| 10:20.50 | nsadmin | I forgot gnome is a metapackage |
| 10:20.53 | pbn | !search linux-image-2.6 |
| 10:20.53 | paxcoder | (seeing that there is no 'gnome' anymore, even though i use it and them) |
| 10:21.07 | nsadmin | that depends on shitloads of shitloads :) |
| 10:21.16 | hark | pbn: /msg the bot |
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| 10:21.47 | paxcoder | i didn't used to have this prob. I should've done a safe update.... |
| 10:21.48 | wm4 | I wonder is there still a maintained xmms package somewhere? |
| 10:22.08 | paxcoder | see here: http://pastebin.com/m63ccb445 |
| 10:22.15 | s10an | How can I backup a DVD in debian? |
| 10:22.23 | hark | paxcoder: you can install gnote instead. you should be able to remove tomboy and keep the gnome package then |
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| 10:22.56 | paxcoder | seriously? |
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| 10:23.15 | paxcoder | you're right! oh the sillyness |
| 10:23.18 | paxcoder | thank you very much |
| 10:23.49 | hark | np |
| 10:24.35 | paxcoder | didn't know gnotes got into testing |
| 10:25.23 | paxcoder | wait, why does gnotes greet me with "Welcome to Tomboy!" ? |
| 10:25.50 | nsadmin | it's friendly? |
| 10:26.00 | paxcoder | gnotes != tomboy |
| 10:26.10 | paxcoder | perhaps they were to lazy to make their own docs :-) |
| 10:26.14 | nsadmin | it's very friendly? |
| 10:26.28 | chellomere | gnotes is supposed to be a plain c#-to-c++ translation of tomboy |
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| 10:26.56 | paxcoder | yeah, dpkg -s just told me "It is a port of Tomboy to C++ and consumes less resources." |
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| 10:27.01 | nsadmin | so gnotes is a c++ app? |
| 10:27.34 | nsadmin | I thought gnome devs were allergic to c++ |
| 10:27.46 | paxcoder | nsadmin: it was written by the GNU project to replace Tomboy so as not to use Mono (which is not needed by anything else in default Debian packages afaik) |
| 10:28.10 | nsadmin | oic |
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| 10:28.30 | paxcoder | perhaps they needed it fast, and just used whatever was easier to port to from C# (ie oop) |
| 10:28.38 | themill | Wouldn't it be easier to rewrite all the other stuff that's using hundreds of different libraries to just use the mono libraries? |
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| 10:29.10 | hark | i don |
| 10:29.15 | nsadmin | not in the short run |
| 10:29.26 | paxcoder | o.O |
| 10:29.31 | hark | i don't see the point of gnote |
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| 10:30.09 | paxcoder | FSF feels that Mono, being of .NET technology could be subject to lawsuits by Microsoft in future, since they have patented tech used in it. |
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| 10:30.32 | \amethyst | hark: boycottnovell might have something to do with it |
| 10:30.33 | uwe | hello, i wish to create a local mirror for x86_64 arch, can someone tell me roughly how much space i need ? |
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| 10:30.45 | Trewas | they just felt particularly stupid that day so they wanted to rewrite an application in a language without microsoft-stigma |
| 10:31.04 | paxcoder | they have made a statement that they won't sue, but FSF doesn't trust them (says the social contract Microsoft has released is ambiguous) |
| 10:31.09 | themill | uwe: rather than mirroring the entire thing, perhaps an apt proxy would be better so you only mirror the bits that you are using |
| 10:31.35 | uwe | hmmm, ill look into that ! thank you themill ! |
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| 10:31.58 | paxcoder | imo having mono included by default because of Tomboy is stupid. |
| 10:32.08 | paxcoder | read: tomboy alone |
| 10:32.10 | themill | uwe: there are quite a few of them. |
| 10:32.31 | uwe | but actually on the long run i also want to create a public mirror for x86* arch, where can i find info about how much disk space i need ? |
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| 10:32.58 | hark | paxcoder: it's not. you can just go with the gnome-desktop-environment package instead |
| 10:33.03 | themill | uwe: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 10:33.13 | paxcoder | hark: instead of? |
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| 10:33.37 | hark | paxcoder: gnome |
| 10:33.43 | paxcoder | afaik, as soon as i install the distro with "Desktop environment (GNOME)", I have Tomboy |
| 10:33.56 | uwe | thanks themill :) |
| 10:33.56 | Trewas | paxcoder: including it for just for one application is stupid but I am not sure if the right answer is to rewrite that application in another language |
| 10:33.59 | paxcoder | i have seen no option for tomboyless gnome |
| 10:34.06 | themill | paxcoder: gnome is not installed by default anyway. "default" is a pretty poor word to use in these situations |
| 10:34.11 | paxcoder | Trewas: why not? |
| 10:34.17 | themill | gives paxcoder the KDE install CD |
| 10:34.29 | \amethyst | paxcoder: There is also no option in the installer for gnome without network-manager |
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| 10:34.42 | paxcoder | KDE is an option there as well. I meant the default of the things offered as Desktop Environment |
| 10:35.01 | paxcoder | \amethyst: o.O? |
| 10:35.02 | Trewas | paxcoder: making even more open source versions of open source programs is wasted effort |
| 10:35.36 | Trewas | gnotes is after all a direct copy of tomboy and don't plan to be anything else |
| 10:35.44 | paxcoder | wasted because someone here insists on Tomboy (or better yet: Mono), but could easily serve as a replacement. |
| 10:36.19 | paxcoder | BTW: What's with Java? Is that still non-free and why? |
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| 10:36.59 | \amethyst | Java (TM) is non-free, but openjdk is free and is now a more-or-less complete implementation |
| 10:37.17 | paxcoder | what's the difference? |
| 10:37.40 | themill | paxcoder: giyf.... irc is a poor proxy for google :) |
| 10:38.00 | themill | !java |
| 10:38.00 | dpkg | hmm... java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:38.14 | hark | also, with gnote you can't be sure whether it'll be developed further or even maintained the way tomboy is, if the reason for the rewrite is just being 'anti mono' |
| 10:38.54 | pbn | well guys I think I'm gonna stay in 32-bit testing for a while, until that nvidia kernel module problem is solved. But, in 32-bit... too bad there's nvidia-kernel for 2.6.26 but no bigmem for 2.6.26, and bigmem for 2.6.30 but no nvidia for 2.6.30 .... |
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| 10:39.03 | paxcoder | if it lacks, and you really felt a single app deserves a framework in the distro, then you'd go back to mono. (I'm sure then they'd update it tho ;-P ) |
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| 10:41.07 | glicks | does anyone have a logitech QuickCam Pro 9000 |
| 10:41.18 | hark | pbn: using m-a is not that hard :) |
| 10:41.43 | hark | i wonder if we can use dkms |
| 10:41.53 | sl1ck | noob patch/diff question: I've created a patch which applies OK and reports hunk successful, but show "fuzz 2", what is that mean exactly and could it present a problem? |
| 10:42.09 | \amethyst | paxcoder: GNOME upstream decided Tomboy is an official part of GNOME, and Josselin went along with it |
| 10:42.25 | \amethyst | paxcoder: it wasn't like Josselin decided unilaterally to add tomboy to GNOME |
| 10:42.30 | pbn | hark: yes but will module-assistant be able to fix that problem with nvidia kernel modules in 64-bit testing ? |
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| 10:42.50 | paxcoder | really? *shakes head in disbelief* |
| 10:43.02 | \amethyst | paxcoder: there are at least three bug reports on the subject (on the 'gnome' package) |
| 10:43.22 | paxcoder | but GNOME is part of the GNU project, is it not? How come they don't use the GNU replacement then? |
| 10:43.35 | \amethyst | err |
| 10:43.43 | \amethyst | no, GNOME is not part of the GNU project |
| 10:43.45 | paxcoder | Even the name Gnotes implies it's GNOME |
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| 10:43.46 | ajavid | !blackdown |
| 10:43.46 | dpkg | Blackdown Java was a project producing a port of Sun Microsystems's Java virtual machine to Linux. It was never free software / open source software. Discontinued in August 2007. Ask me about <java>. |
| 10:43.51 | ajavid | huh |
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| 10:43.59 | Trewas | not everyone in open source world is a freetard ;) |
| 10:44.15 | xeon-enouf | many 'g' things are GNU, not Gnome |
| 10:44.19 | \amethyst | oh, I guess it is, actually |
| 10:44.25 | hark | pbn: if you're referring to the conflict, then not with the squeeze packages |
| 10:44.28 | paxcoder | Trewas: fail |
| 10:44.37 | ajavid | it doesn't matter |
| 10:44.39 | \amethyst | but AFAIK GNOME doesn't require FSF copyright assignment, does it? |
| 10:44.48 | ajavid | just because it isn't part of the gnu project doesn't mean its not free |
| 10:44.52 | ajavid | please consult the DFSG |
| 10:44.56 | paxcoder | dunno |
| 10:45.05 | ajavid | and accepted licences |
| 10:45.31 | paxcoder | ajavid: who are you talking to? |
| 10:45.48 | themill | sl1ck: it means that the file that was patched has been modified since the patch was generated and the lines that were changed by the patch were out by a couple of lines from the expected positions. Normally not an issue, but sometimes it can be. |
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| 10:46.05 | xeon-enouf | gnu has their own site gnu.org and their own channel ,, utilize those |
| 10:46.31 | ajavid | you can discuss gnu here, debian uses primarily gnu software on top of the linux kernel |
| 10:46.35 | ajavid | until hurd comes along. |
| 10:46.45 | paxcoder | yeah, that'll happen XD |
| 10:46.56 | themill | wonders if #debian can get back to user support now |
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| 10:47.23 | xeon-enouf | gNew-something |
| 10:47.27 | \amethyst | there are hurd and freebsd versions of Debian, just not supported ones |
| 10:47.37 | xeon-enouf | !ports |
| 10:47.37 | dpkg | ports is, like, http://www.debian.org/ports/ or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
| 10:47.42 | fanuc98 | I get this error message on startup. Does anyone know what it means? 4.075702 unable to enumerate usb 2???? |
| 10:48.02 | xeon-enouf | it means your USB fails |
| 10:48.02 | hark | remembers having this same tomboy conversation with x-ingu a year or two back :/ |
| 10:48.20 | paxcoder | !fail usb |
| 10:48.21 | fanuc98 | Nod, How do I fix it? |
| 10:48.22 | xeon-enouf | hark: was it x- or just x? |
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| 10:48.41 | fanuc98 | I figured that much. :/ |
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| 10:48.48 | JyZyXEL | i still haven't figured out why my primary master HDD gets named /dev/hdb instead of /dev/hda |
| 10:49.03 | xeon-enouf | fanuc98: is a USB device inserted? haha @ buttdongle :-P |
| 10:49.05 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know which system names the devices? |
| 10:49.20 | fanuc98 | Let me check, but I don't think so... |
| 10:49.20 | hark | xeon-enouf: didn't want to hilight him unnecessarily :) |
| 10:49.27 | BleSS | which flash fs do you recommend? JFFS2, Logfs, ubifs? |
| 10:49.33 | JyZyXEL | there must be some ID based rule to always name it hdb |
| 10:49.34 | jetscreamer | i love how a usb stick messes grub up |
| 10:49.34 | fanuc98 | I have a pci usb card... |
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| 10:49.44 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: something else is in hda position on the controller or within BIOS |
| 10:49.50 | hark | xeon-enouf: what happened to that enouf guy? :) |
| 10:49.54 | fanuc98 | In the comp, itself....I put it there. |
| 10:49.59 | paxcoder | afk |
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| 10:50.07 | JyZyXEL | xeon-enouf: no theres not |
| 10:50.16 | xeon-enouf | hark: hrm ... wait - let me cjheck ;-) |
| 10:50.21 | JyZyXEL | hdb is in the BIOS primary master |
| 10:50.28 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: yes, there is |
| 10:50.33 | JyZyXEL | it USED to be the primary slave |
| 10:50.39 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 10:50.48 | JyZyXEL | so there is a rule somewhere |
| 10:50.53 | xeon-enouf | your BIOS sucks then |
| 10:50.54 | hark | xeon-enouf: is the p2 feeling left out? |
| 10:51.04 | Arrowmaster | you think thats bad, the two parts of my dmraid mirror are sda and sdc while sdb is my hardware raid6 |
| 10:51.21 | fanuc98 | Anywhoos.....where is the .. / for gdm stop? /etc/initid? |
| 10:51.23 | JyZyXEL | so wait there is no system to name then other than getting the information from bios? |
| 10:51.27 | xeon-enouf | hark: all 512 MB of that pc100 SDRAM .. indeed :-P |
| 10:51.33 | jetscreamer | yes fanuc98 |
| 10:51.36 | jetscreamer | .d |
| 10:52.05 | jetscreamer | init.d |
| 10:52.07 | fanuc98 | Is that how it is spelled? Sorry, I'm drunk and I still need to kill gdm, but I know how to now.....I need to kill it in tty7. |
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| 10:52.27 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 10:52.32 | fanuc98 | For installing nividia.... Kk, thank you. |
| 10:52.33 | xeon-enouf | fanuc98: paste what lspci -nn says about the card .. and if anything is plugged into uit, lsusb -v to pastebin |
| 10:52.38 | nixguy | i have my server connected over kvm |
| 10:52.43 | Arrowmaster | fanuc98: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop |
| 10:52.44 | xeon-enouf | fanuc98: and /var/log/dmesg |
| 10:52.45 | fanuc98 | one moment |
| 10:52.47 | nixguy | i did a grub recovery |
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| 10:52.55 | nixguy | and now i get a "console redirection code" message |
| 10:52.58 | hark | fanuc98: you can also do invoke-rc.d gdm stop |
| 10:52.59 | nixguy | when i boot up |
| 10:53.10 | JyZyXEL | also every time i boot i get this "Superblock last write time in the future" error and i need to reboot again and then it fsck's the disk |
| 10:53.29 | jetscreamer | gstop ... :) aliased |
| 10:53.31 | Arrowmaster | JyZyXEL: your clock is off |
| 10:53.34 | cahoot | clock set wrong? |
| 10:53.45 | jetscreamer | no on the off and no on the clock |
| 10:53.51 | jetscreamer | ext3 |
| 10:53.51 | Arrowmaster | is your system clock set to local time instead of utc? |
| 10:53.53 | xeon-enouf | or ... your installation was done with way wrong time |
| 10:53.55 | JyZyXEL | or maybe its some time zone thing |
| 10:53.59 | JyZyXEL | Arrowmaster: yea |
| 10:54.01 | jetscreamer | it's BORKED |
| 10:54.05 | jetscreamer | been there |
| 10:54.08 | jetscreamer | use jfs |
| 10:54.10 | JyZyXEL | so i should set my HW time to URC |
| 10:54.12 | JyZyXEL | UTC |
| 10:54.13 | sl1ck | themill: thanks! One more question, what do the numbers in the patches usually mean for example: "@@ -974,7 +980,7 @@" |
| 10:54.14 | fanuc98 | http://pastebin.com/f8ba375b |
| 10:54.18 | xeon-enouf | !set the tiem |
| 10:54.21 | xeon-enouf | !set the time |
| 10:54.21 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 10:54.24 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 10:54.48 | xeon-enouf | sl1ck: that's diff output - line numbers, IINM |
| 10:54.48 | JyZyXEL | theres the command hwclock |
| 10:54.54 | JyZyXEL | it can be used to set the bios clock |
| 10:54.54 | jetscreamer | no on the time no on everything else |
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| 10:55.13 | Trewas | JyZyXEL: that seems to be a very common problem with ubuntu's development release, maybe connected with kernel 2.6.31 |
| 10:55.25 | xeon-enouf | thinks jetscreamer enjoys saying "no" ;-) |
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| 10:55.28 | jetscreamer | or with lenny |
| 10:55.34 | fanuc98 | I will do the invocation once enouf has seen the txt he is asking for on my pci card. |
| 10:55.42 | JyZyXEL | maybe it will go away if i upgrade to ext4 :-D |
| 10:55.51 | fanuc98 | Because once I do it....I'm all term. |
| 10:55.58 | jetscreamer | maybe.. definitely does moving to jfs |
| 10:55.58 | fanuc98 | I think... |
| 10:56.05 | themill | sl1ck: those are the original line numbers that the patch corresponds to. Starting on line 974 and 7 lines long etc. The output will start on line 980 and also be 7 lines long. It's all about making sure the patch doesn't get applied wrongly |
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| 10:56.52 | jetscreamer | i went through that like at least 8 months ago iirc |
| 10:57.01 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: let's see your /etc/fstab ; ls -l /dev/disk/* ; heck, output of what /msg dpkg walot asks for |
| 10:57.23 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: oh, what's /etc/default/rcS have set for FSCK= ? |
| 10:57.44 | JyZyXEL | xeon-enouf: it had no |
| 10:57.48 | JyZyXEL | i changed it to yes |
| 10:57.52 | fanuc98 | I'm not a total Linux um....?geek (Not sure of the word I am looking for, but I mean it in a good way....) but I am an old enough geek to know terminal and how to navigate it....and how to learn... =D Kind of like Data in TnG, just looking to grow, with the capacity to do so. =D |
| 10:58.03 | JyZyXEL | maybe it will now automagically fsck |
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| 10:58.34 | jetscreamer | here's what somebody told me to try for that... didn't work. find </path> -print0 | xargs -0r touch |
| 10:58.52 | xeon-enouf | not if /etc/fstab is wrongm, and not if tune2fs -l /dev/nameX reports funk |
| 10:59.17 | xeon-enouf | jetscreamer: interesting |
| 10:59.38 | jetscreamer | i even rem who somebody who shall remain nameless is :) |
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| 10:59.44 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 10:59.46 | xeon-enouf | jetscreamer: this debootstrap installation on this xeon thought it was 2001 when installing ;-) |
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| 11:00.31 | jetscreamer | i've done stuff like that, but it wasn't that when i had that... :) |
| 11:00.43 | xeon-enouf | i had many errors like JyZyXEL posted everytime i tried a) using apt. or b) something ..er |
| 11:00.53 | JyZyXEL | xeon-enouf: http://pastebin.com/d23f8ad2c |
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| 11:01.04 | xeon-enouf | jetscreamer: i installed over ssh |
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| 11:01.53 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: and you wonder why it's HDB and not HDA? hahahaha |
| 11:02.41 | jetscreamer | it's that other os |
| 11:02.44 | jetscreamer | omg |
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| 11:03.59 | jetscreamer | looks at his os and screams omfg |
| 11:04.02 | xeon-enouf | pretty sure ".. pci-0000:00:12.0-ide-0:1 ..." should be "pci-0000:00:12.0-ide-0:0" if it's in the Master position |
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| 11:05.01 | xeon-enouf | yep -- rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2009-08-10 23:04 pci-0000:00:1f.1-ide-0:0 -> ../../hda |
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| 11:05.30 | sl1ck | themill: I understand what you're saying, though I'm still trying to put it all together. For example I have patch which works great, but when it only reports successful hunk 5, omitting the previous four hunks. How can I correct the previous 4 hunks and make them report during patching? |
| 11:05.38 | xeon-enouf | your udev is pooched cause of your date/time issues likely , IME |
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| 11:06.18 | nercof | hi! |
| 11:06.19 | boulbul | hi, how would I know the driver I am using for my wifi card please |
| 11:06.20 | boulbul | ? |
| 11:06.26 | Arrowmaster | pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0 -> ../../sda -- pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-1:0:0:0 -> ../../sdc -- pci-0000:08:00.0-scsi-0:0:0:0 -> ../../sdb |
| 11:06.29 | Arrowmaster | figure out that one |
| 11:06.29 | xeon-enouf | sl1ck: IINM, when i ran into that issue, i had to remove the entire patch, then reapply |
| 11:06.31 | jetscreamer | udev blows |
| 11:06.34 | themill | sl1ck: refreshing patches is a pretty tedious and at times error prone job. |
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| 11:07.08 | sl1ck | themill ;-) |
| 11:07.10 | Ehtyar | hi all. I'm attempting to install Debian on a ThinkPad T500, but when I boot the CD i get a fully black screen with a flashing cursor in the upper left hand corner. I have verified the image by the MD5SUM file, and the burned disc was also verified. |
| 11:07.10 | xeon-enouf | boulbul: more info |
| 11:07.13 | jetscreamer | lsmod boulbul if it's actually loaded, lsmod|grep something maybe |
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| 11:07.21 | themill | sl1ck: there's no automated way usually -- sometimes you can fiddle with either the rejects or the patch itself but more often you have to just make the changes manually |
| 11:07.43 | xeon-enouf | boulbul: well .. check output of "lspci -nn | grep -i wifi" |
| 11:07.48 | themill | !which ethernet module |
| 11:07.48 | dpkg | To find out what kernel modules your cards are using, look in dmesg, ask me about <which module for 0200>, use "ethtool --driver eth0", or "readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver" or run: for i in `lspci | grep -i net| cut -f1 -d\ ` ; do readlink "/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:$i/driver"; done | awk -F/ '{print $8}' |
| 11:07.54 | xeon-enouf | boulbul: or, is it USB? |
| 11:08.00 | jetscreamer | if you want to know what to use though, that's different |
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| 11:08.24 | nercof | What notebook brand would you recommend? ¿Dell or MSI? .... "Dell 1545" and "MSI VR602/3" |
| 11:08.25 | xeon-enouf | !what's my hardware |
| 11:08.25 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
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| 11:08.43 | nercof | i saw in http://www.linlap.com/, but not found ... |
| 11:08.57 | boulbul | ok, http://pastebin.com/d20fd3b54 |
| 11:08.59 | jetscreamer | ppl cry about dell a lot oh spanish speaking one, but i don't know... msi is kinda popular |
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| 11:09.18 | jetscreamer | !hcl |
| 11:09.18 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>. |
| 11:09.18 | boulbul | xeon-enouf:http://pastebin.com/d20fd3b54 |
| 11:09.34 | renton_ | i've a very stupid question.. chromium is google indipendent? i heard (maybe is not true) that chrome tracks which website i'm using and gives information to google.... is it the same for chromium? |
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| 11:09.48 | boulbul | xeon-enouf: no it is pci integrated for a dell XPS M1330 |
| 11:09.53 | jetscreamer | guess he doesn't mean the game |
| 11:10.11 | sl1ck | themill and xeon-enouf, thank you both for your input. |
| 11:10.32 | Ehtyar | renton_, try srware iron |
| 11:11.06 | JyZyXEL | xeon-enouf: yes i wonder |
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| 11:13.11 | renton_ | Ehtyar: on fedora, i installed a chromium package coming from http://spot.fedorapeople.org/chromium/ and it works very quickly compared to firefox/iceweasel.. now i was looking for something for debian but i'm still not sure about data privacy things.. |
| 11:13.25 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: edit fstab to say hda |
| 11:13.40 | JyZyXEL | xeon-enouf: hda doesn't exist |
| 11:14.08 | JyZyXEL | the only hard drive gets named hdb |
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| 11:14.17 | xeon-enouf | yes it does |
| 11:14.19 | Ehtyar | renton_, iron is a build of chromium minus all the data stealage |
| 11:14.24 | JyZyXEL | also grub sees it as hd1 |
| 11:14.27 | Ehtyar | they have an alpha build for linux here: http://www.srware.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=561 |
| 11:14.37 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: edit menu.lst |
| 11:14.53 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: it's that simple, yes |
| 11:15.13 | xeon-enouf | see #groot= and #kopt=root= lines |
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| 11:15.27 | JyZyXEL | xeon-enouf: change the boot device to (hd0,2) ? |
| 11:15.58 | xeon-enouf | boulbul: no idea why you would show lsmod output to me |
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| 11:16.12 | renton_ | Ehtyar: oh.. so even chromium steals private information :( i'll try to install that iron on mine debian squeeze |
| 11:16.15 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: you need to edit both |
| 11:16.18 | xeon-enouf | files |
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| 11:16.35 | JyZyXEL | thats probably gonna leave me with an unbootable system |
| 11:16.39 | xeon-enouf | show me your pastebin again JyZyXEL , i lost it |
| 11:16.50 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/d23f8ad2c |
| 11:16.52 | xeon-enouf | have a livecd handy - no prob |
| 11:16.58 | Ehtyar | renton_, I am unsure of the level of data stealage by Chromium, I only know that Iron is built specifically to get around that of Chrome. |
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| 11:17.09 | jetscreamer | learn grub |
| 11:17.22 | jetscreamer | i got to learn grub the very hard way once |
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| 11:18.35 | boulbul | xeon-enouf: there was nothing....thanks for your help anyway |
| 11:18.43 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: the only concern to me is what the symlinks in /dev/disk/* say about which PCI bus/port is being occupied - not sure, but ithink udev generates those entries, and i think they're removed/re-added across reboots |
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| 11:19.01 | Ehtyar | I am attempting to install Debian on a ThinkPad T500, but when I boot the CD i get a fully black screen with a flashing cursor in the upper left hand corner. I have verified the image by the MD5SUM file, and the burned disc was verified by ImgBurn. |
| 11:19.20 | JyZyXEL | ide-0:1 |
| 11:19.25 | JyZyXEL | see how its really 0:1 |
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| 11:19.42 | JyZyXEL | aka the primary master |
| 11:19.55 | pbn | okay guys I'm back, I tried to fix the problem in 64-bit mode, I did aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 and it installed the following packages: linux-image-2.6-amd64{a} linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64{a} nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64{a} nvidia-kernel-common{a} |
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| 11:20.06 | jetscreamer | did you get a boot prompt Ehtyar ? |
| 11:20.11 | pbn | then I rebooted in 2.6.26-amd64, but X still doesn't start ! |
| 11:20.15 | Ehtyar | nothing |
| 11:20.15 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: i cannot tell you which (hdX,X), that also deopends on yuor /boot/grub/device.map, that's was written when grub was installed |
| 11:20.25 | Ehtyar | after post the flashing cursor is the first thing i see |
| 11:20.29 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: that's the Slave |
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| 11:20.46 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: 0:0 would be master position |
| 11:20.46 | JyZyXEL | every time grub runs and generates the automatic menu.lst i can't boot to my system |
| 11:20.49 | JyZyXEL | thats also a pain in the ass |
| 11:21.02 | JyZyXEL | cause it uses hd0,1 i think |
| 11:21.02 | xeon-enouf | 1:0 is the Secondary Master |
| 11:21.04 | jetscreamer | no idea.... you could try the goodbye windows thing, not sure if it's still maintained tough |
| 11:21.13 | jetscreamer | though |
| 11:21.15 | xeon-enouf | !debian.exe |
| 11:21.15 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 11:21.17 | JyZyXEL | i need to always go an replace it with 1,1 |
| 11:21.54 | JyZyXEL | i just wish the damn kernel packages would leave my menu.lst alone |
| 11:22.06 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: if it's grub1, that can be overcome/fixed - grub2 starts with hd0,1, not hd0,0 |
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| 11:22.25 | JyZyXEL | im running grub2 |
| 11:22.30 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: you can comment out update-grub in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 11:22.38 | jetscreamer | it will not erase windows... unless you tell it to of course |
| 11:22.40 | JyZyXEL | nice ill do that |
| 11:22.48 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: then update-grub won;t run |
| 11:23.13 | themill | JyZyXEL: or configure the kernel updater to work properly. If that can't be done, then it's a bug that should be fixed. Don't just work around things like this. |
| 11:23.25 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: well, ingrub2, hd0.1 is first HDD, first partition |
| 11:23.38 | JyZyXEL | or is it 0,0 |
| 11:23.45 | JyZyXEL | who knows |
| 11:23.48 | jetscreamer | 0 0 |
| 11:23.49 | xeon-enouf | in grub 1 --> 0,0 |
| 11:23.54 | xeon-enouf | in grub 2 --> 0,1 |
| 11:23.57 | jetscreamer | with a , of course |
| 11:23.59 | JyZyXEL | really? |
| 11:24.14 | pbn | and aptitude install nvidia-glx tells me it will break xserver-xorg-core and it will remove all xserver-xorg-video-* ... ouch ! |
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| 11:24.18 | jetscreamer | really |
| 11:24.21 | xeon-enouf | 0_0 :-P |
| 11:24.41 | Arrowmaster | pbn: are you running lenny? |
| 11:24.48 | JyZyXEL | i just booted to my system with 1,1 |
| 11:24.53 | pbn | Arrowmaster: no this is testing amd64 |
| 11:25.04 | JyZyXEL | so 1 can't be the first partition |
| 11:25.08 | JyZyXEL | as my first partition is NTFS one |
| 11:25.08 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: that's 2nd HDD, 1st partition |
| 11:25.22 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 11:25.28 | JyZyXEL | xeon-enouf: well it booted to 1st HD 2nd partition |
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| 11:25.30 | JyZyXEL | so go figure |
| 11:25.31 | xeon-enouf | in grub2 |
| 11:25.34 | Arrowmaster | pbn: 2 of those xserver-xorg-video- packages only exist in lenny now, if you remove those two it installs fine |
| 11:25.35 | JyZyXEL | shits all fucked up |
| 11:25.40 | xeon-enouf | then you're not using grub2 |
| 11:25.43 | jetscreamer | 1,0 would be 2nd hd 1st part |
| 11:25.57 | JyZyXEL | yea i think so too |
| 11:26.01 | JyZyXEL | 0 is first partition |
| 11:26.01 | xeon-enouf | jetscreamer: : in grub1, yes |
| 11:26.08 | wm4 | waah, why does grub-legacy want libfreetype6? |
| 11:26.12 | JyZyXEL | why the hell would they change it in grub2? |
| 11:26.15 | jetscreamer | speaking of, how do you get the savedefault kind of behavior in grub2, which blows chunks |
| 11:26.20 | xeon-enouf | !ask them |
| 11:26.31 | jetscreamer | because the want shiny new toys that break shit |
| 11:26.32 | xeon-enouf | has to do with Multidisk Boot Spec |
| 11:26.36 | xeon-enouf | or something |
| 11:26.53 | xeon-enouf | jetscreamer: i know, but forgot :-( |
| 11:27.02 | jetscreamer | to keep up with teh cool kidz |
| 11:27.02 | xeon-enouf | ask #grub, they'll tell ya |
| 11:27.15 | jetscreamer | because ubuntu maintainers maintain stuff |
| 11:27.18 | JyZyXEL | #grub doesn't support legacy anymore |
| 11:27.54 | xeon-enouf | it's i think something in /etc/default/grub some sort of GRUB_SOMETHING_VARIABLE_HERE .. or it's in /etc/grub.d/* files somewhere |
| 11:28.10 | jetscreamer | i'll install lillo :) |
| 11:28.14 | jetscreamer | err lilo |
| 11:28.15 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 11:28.20 | jetscreamer | dammit.... now i'm sad |
| 11:28.27 | xeon-enouf | yeah, it's LiLo |
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| 11:29.12 | tawan | they made 0 become 1 but kept sda as 0 so in grub3 they plan to count down from FFFFFF in increments of 5 |
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| 11:29.42 | jetscreamer | wonders if tawan is serious or joking |
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| 11:29.51 | jetscreamer | i could believe it :) |
| 11:30.10 | JyZyXEL | this superblock in the future error can be solved by setting bios clock to UTC i hear |
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| 11:30.33 | jetscreamer | one hears so many things.. let us know how it works out |
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| 11:30.51 | JyZyXEL | i don't know how to use hwclock command to set the time to URC |
| 11:30.57 | JyZyXEL | UTC* |
| 11:31.01 | jetscreamer | a link was posted |
| 11:31.12 | jetscreamer | waaaay up there |
| 11:31.19 | pbn | this appears to be the reason: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 11:31.21 | jetscreamer | well a factoid was spammed |
| 11:31.25 | xeon-enouf | *blinks* at themill haha, NOW i cannot recall the silly symlink i made to <walot> haha |
| 11:31.46 | jetscreamer | doesn't say try the .run |
| 11:32.04 | jetscreamer | doesn't mention #nvidia for the non-debian way |
| 11:32.28 | JyZyXEL | hwclock --set Set the Hardware Clock to the time given by the --date option. |
| 11:32.51 | JyZyXEL | --date specifies the time to which to set the hardware clock |
| 11:32.54 | JyZyXEL | no format anywhere |
| 11:33.00 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: just a fwiw, there exists a man kernel-img.conf |
| 11:33.20 | jetscreamer | why would he need that |
| 11:33.26 | xeon-enouf | !hwclock |
| 11:33.26 | dpkg | somebody said hwclock was a tool used to set your hardware clock. it's packaged. in package util-linux |
| 11:33.54 | renton_ | iron-linux$ ./iron |
| 11:33.54 | renton_ | Illegal instruction |
| 11:33.55 | jetscreamer | or am i thinking of -pkg |
| 11:34.19 | JyZyXEL | hwclock --set --date utc |
| 11:34.23 | xeon-enouf | !listvals /usr/share/doc/util-linux/README.Debian.hwclock |
| 11:34.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of '/usr/share/doc/util-linux/README.Debian.hwclock' by value returned no results. |
| 11:34.29 | JyZyXEL | i guess thats it |
| 11:34.34 | xeon-enouf | wow |
| 11:35.58 | jetscreamer | god i'm an idiot. i have no idea what this is http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3474/laplacian.jpg |
| 11:36.01 | JyZyXEL | now i just need to wait for the next USB related crash and then i get to see if it worked |
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| 11:36.49 | wsxws | hi there |
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| 11:37.12 | wsxws | i change the /etc/hostname , how to activate the new hostname ? |
| 11:37.24 | wsxws | changed |
| 11:38.05 | themill | JyZyXEL: you might want to see if that worked with the --show option. (and man hwclock describes the date formats accepted in detail; the output from --help doesn't replace the man page) |
| 11:38.53 | JyZyXEL | themill: yea --show shows some fucked up time now so i guess something worked |
| 11:40.23 | themill | JyZyXEL: I can't imagine that just giving "utc" as the date to set the clock to was correct. |
| 11:40.48 | JyZyXEL | yea well maybe they should have given the format in which you input the date |
| 11:40.58 | themill | JyZyXEL: man hwclock ffs |
| 11:41.10 | themill | JyZyXEL: and since when was "utc" the format of any date? |
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| 11:41.29 | JyZyXEL | lol i don't know |
| 11:41.37 | JyZyXEL | it seemed an easy way |
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| 11:41.49 | wsxws | is there a way to let the changes in /etc/hostname take effect without rebooting ? |
| 11:42.14 | themill | JyZyXEL: brain in gear. read. learn. do. It'll be vastly preferable to stumbling around trying random things, breaking stuff and generally making an idiot of yourself. |
| 11:42.30 | themill | wsxws: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 11:42.31 | JyZyXEL | maybe hwclock --set --date $(date -u) |
| 11:42.52 | JyZyXEL | thatd be cool |
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| 11:43.48 | dutchfish | wsxws, you could poke it into the kernels proc system |
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| 11:44.09 | mxweas | Is there a smaller install cd than 5 dvds of debian? |
| 11:44.30 | cahoot | mxweas: the netinstall? |
| 11:44.31 | mxweas | I can get most of the packages I want through apt-get, I don't see why the install disks need to be 5 DVDs worth. Can I just use the first one? |
| 11:44.34 | themill | mxweas: yes. There's a single CD (CD1) or the netinst CD as well |
| 11:44.43 | mxweas | netinst? |
| 11:44.48 | themill | !netinst |
| 11:44.49 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
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| 11:44.59 | mxweas | network install? I thought that was so you can book from the network to install. |
| 11:45.15 | jetscreamer | no you have to d/l all the arches, or at least 37 gigs |
| 11:45.22 | mxweas | :| |
| 11:45.34 | dutchfish | wsxws, see cat /proc/sys/kernel/hostname |
| 11:45.37 | mxweas | So can I just download the first DVD image and install a base system with that? |
| 11:45.39 | jetscreamer | no that's pxe booting |
| 11:45.40 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 11:45.45 | mxweas | then apt-get what I want? |
| 11:45.51 | valdyn | mxweas: thats not a base system |
| 11:45.58 | jetscreamer | or jsut a 50+/-mb netinst |
| 11:46.02 | cahoot | mxweas: why not simply go for the netinst 100mb or so |
| 11:46.07 | valdyn | mxweas: the first dvd contains everything you would ever need and more, likely |
| 11:46.07 | mxweas | sounds good |
| 11:46.18 | mxweas | So, netinst or first dvd? |
| 11:46.30 | jetscreamer | either/or ... |
| 11:46.34 | jetscreamer | your choice |
| 11:46.43 | mxweas | During netinst, can I just select the stuff I want and it will download those packages specifically? |
| 11:46.44 | jetscreamer | might as well netinst though |
| 11:46.51 | jetscreamer | eh.... |
| 11:46.55 | mxweas | Or is it going to just download everything no matter what. |
| 11:46.55 | jetscreamer | !tasksel |
| 11:46.55 | dpkg | it has been said that tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 11:46.58 | jetscreamer | sucks |
| 11:47.08 | valdyn | mxweas: any install method installs the *same* stuff by default |
| 11:47.18 | valdyn | mxweas: the difference is only where packages come from |
| 11:47.23 | mxweas | mk |
| 11:47.28 | mxweas | thanks for the help. |
| 11:47.31 | mxweas | much appreciated. |
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| 11:47.46 | xeon-enouf | mxweas: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 11:49.20 | jetscreamer | i usually take all the check boxes off in tasksel in the installer and install what i want later |
| 11:49.26 | mxweas | So, I'm just installing debian into vmware. netinst will work? Where's the i386 copy of it? debian's torrent links only show the dvd/cd images. |
| 11:49.27 | valdyn | im not sure why the dvd are even generated anymore - just a waste of space |
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| 11:49.46 | jetscreamer | some ppl use em... i have |
| 11:49.54 | jetscreamer | netless box |
| 11:49.58 | valdyn | jetscreamer: yea, but they are easy to generate |
| 11:50.02 | hopper_irc | how extract .rar file |
| 11:50.09 | jetscreamer | try rar -x |
| 11:50.14 | mxweas | found the torrent. |
| 11:50.15 | valdyn | hopper_irc: with p7zip or unrar or rar |
| 11:50.31 | valdyn | mxweas: you dont need to use a torrent, you just can optionally |
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| 11:50.36 | hopper_irc | valdyn: thanks |
| 11:50.49 | hopper_irc | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 11:51.27 | jetscreamer | why is there an unrar package, anyway, if rar -x actually works (i never tried it) |
| 11:51.38 | valdyn | jetscreamer: rar is non-free |
| 11:51.55 | jetscreamer | no, unrar-non-free is non-free ... iirc |
| 11:52.05 | jetscreamer | or was it unrar-nonfree |
| 11:52.07 | valdyn | jetscreamer: both are |
| 11:52.10 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 11:52.13 | valdyn | jetscreamer: but theres unrar-free too |
| 11:52.27 | jetscreamer | !info unrar |
| 11:52.29 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.9.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 11:52.39 | valdyn | jetscreamer: on top of that rar is shareware |
| 11:52.45 | wsxws | thanks guys, what i didnt know was 'invoke-rc.d hostname.sh start |
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| 11:52.52 | wsxws | thnaks fpr your help |
| 11:53.00 | valdyn | jetscreamer: while unrar is non-free but seems to b free to use |
| 11:53.12 | jetscreamer | i never use it anyway, and if i just have to i use 7zip or something iirc |
| 11:53.31 | jetscreamer | marillat maintains a diff version of unrar also |
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| 11:54.07 | valdyn | jetscreamer: does it? not for amd64 |
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| 11:54.21 | valdyn | judd: versions unrar |
| 11:54.22 | judd | valdyn: unrar -- etch/non-free: 1:3.5.4-1.1 lenny/non-free: 1:3.8.2-1 squeeze/non-free: 1:3.8.5-1 sid/non-free: 1:3.9.6-1 |
| 11:54.22 | jetscreamer | doesn't have amd64 |
| 11:54.27 | valdyn | judd: versions unrar-free |
| 11:54.28 | judd | valdyn: unrar-free -- etch: 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 lenny: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 sid: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 squeeze: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 |
| 11:54.32 | valdyn | judd: versions unrar-nonfree |
| 11:54.32 | judd | valdyn: unrar-nonfree -- |
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| 11:54.39 | valdyn | i cant see and dmm version there |
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| 11:54.47 | valdyn | i cant see *any* dmm version there |
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| 11:55.04 | jetscreamer | it's there, or at least was |
| 11:55.12 | jetscreamer | haven't looked in a while |
| 11:55.14 | mxweas | what kernel version does debian 503 have again? |
| 11:55.22 | valdyn | !kernel |
| 11:55.24 | themill | mxweas: 2.6.26 |
| 11:55.25 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20090918, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.31-git9, mainline 2.6: 2.6.31 , stable 2.6: 2.6.31 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.7 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.28: 2.6.28.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.34 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.6 |
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| 11:55.36 | DeSian | any way to remove or purge last upgraded package and install again without this upgrading!? |
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| 11:55.52 | mxweas | themill: thx |
| 11:55.53 | themill | valdyn: you'd do better asking judd than dpkg |
| 11:56.04 | valdyn | judd: kernel |
| 11:56.05 | judd | valdyn: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-7); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 11:56.08 | valdyn | nice! |
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| 11:59.16 | jetscreamer | or, i was thinking of rar-nonfree http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/r/rar/rar.php |
| 11:59.22 | jetscreamer | nvm |
| 11:59.48 | DeSian | any way to list last upgraded package? |
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| 12:00.17 | valdyn | DeSian: see /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude |
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| 12:03.33 | rebgil | Hi, I am confused about how ping is responding, I ping a server and it takes a long time between seeing the 1st response, however the first response is 7.52 ms, then there is always a delay between subsiquent answers and the response time is always 7-9ms which is fast but I am wondering what the delay is between the responses, if I ping something local I get 1ms and it is immediate, and when... |
| 12:03.35 | rebgil | ...I ping yahoo it is 24ms but it responds faster, can anyone explain |
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| 12:09.01 | nts-- | hello, i have a problem with passwd |
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| 12:09.03 | nts-- | passwd: Authentication token lock busy |
| 12:09.05 | nts-- | passwd: password unchanged |
| 12:09.07 | nts-- | any way to fix this for normal users? |
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| 12:10.41 | xeon-enouf | rebgil: try IPs not DNS names |
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| 12:11.26 | rebgil | xeon-enouf: you are right, I just tried and got quicker replies, so dns latency is the problem there I guess |
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| 12:11.27 | xeon-enouf | man passwd ; man usermod |
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| 12:13.22 | DevilChaos | hi has anyone here using debian to burn blue yet? |
| 12:13.58 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 12:14.01 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 12:14.18 | jetscreamer | ray |
| 12:14.26 | DevilChaos | just bought myself a blueray burner and understand k3b doesnt have blue-ray compatability yet |
| 12:14.53 | DevilChaos | and i know ahead nero for linux works but dont know how to install it |
| 12:14.56 | JyZyXEL | i hope you checked its linux compatibility before buying |
| 12:15.09 | DevilChaos | yup yup sorry typing isnt great |
| 12:15.15 | xeon-enouf | dvd+rw-tools can do it, IINM |
| 12:15.24 | ajavid | !bluray |
| 12:15.24 | dpkg | [blu-ray disc] an optical disc storage medium (capacity of 25GB per layer). The Debian CD team now produces Blu-ray Disc images of <Lenny> and weekly <Squeeze> builds for i386, amd64 and source architectures, available via _jigdo only_. Ask me about <jigdo>, <install lenny> and <weekly builds> (.jigdo files are within "jigdo-bd" directories of {i386,amd64,source}). https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD |
| 12:15.48 | xeon-enouf | if you want Nero, install it within WINE, or run a VM with wintendo |
| 12:16.20 | DevilChaos | ah k |
| 12:16.40 | ajavid | there is nero for linux |
| 12:16.43 | ajavid | !nero |
| 12:16.43 | dpkg | somebody said nero was a Roman Emperor. Also an optical disc authoring program. |
| 12:16.50 | ajavid | well, it is. |
| 12:17.30 | sweetandy | whoa, nero has a linux version |
| 12:17.39 | DevilChaos | it is actually availible for linux google ahead nero for linux lol |
| 12:17.45 | ajavid | http://www.nero.com/eng/linux4.html |
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| 12:17.58 | DevilChaos | i have it but wish it came as a deb arrrrg |
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| 12:18.44 | DevilChaos | enoufs suggestion will be interesting to impliment as i havent used wine yet |
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| 12:19.29 | DevilChaos | jigdo! |
| 12:19.34 | xeon-enouf | see #winehq i guess |
| 12:19.35 | DevilChaos | doh |
| 12:19.43 | DevilChaos | !jigdo |
| 12:19.44 | dpkg | somebody said jigdo was Jigsaw Download, *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . See also http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/ , http://wiki.debian.org/jigdo and <blu-ray disc>. |
| 12:19.51 | rebgil | Wne I do a traceroute I get many lines with xx * * * what does that mean? |
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| 12:21.20 | DevilChaos | thanks for the suggestions :) |
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| 12:24.14 | xeon-enouf | rebgil: try ##networking perhaps |
| 12:25.22 | xeon-enouf | rebgil: i'm guessing there's no rDNS values for those particular hops |
| 12:25.31 | rebgil | xeon-enouf: thanks I will try |
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| 12:36.24 | cousin_mario | hello |
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| 12:37.39 | cousin_mario | I'm still having problems with a package debian won't unhold |
| 12:38.08 | abrotman | it won't unhold? explicitly install it |
| 12:38.50 | cousin_mario | version is still held back |
| 12:38.56 | cousin_mario | even deinstalling/reinstalling |
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| 12:39.14 | themill | !held back |
| 12:39.14 | dpkg | hmm... kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <dist-upgrade>. |
| 12:39.18 | abrotman | cousin_mario: apt-cache policy foo .. what is the installed/candidate |
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| 12:41.07 | cousin_mario | abrotman: oh, an update did the trick |
| 12:41.41 | abrotman | ok |
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| 12:51.01 | Mabo | hi there :) |
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| 12:59.08 | Mabo | I have problems with ndiswrapper and kernel 2.6.29.4 |
| 12:59.20 | Mabo | Can you help me please ? |
| 12:59.30 | abrotman | you'll have to give more details |
| 12:59.44 | abrotman | and tell us why you're not using a debian kernel |
| 13:00.01 | kavakava | I need to add a user to my box, and the only thing that user is allowed to run is "wine .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Spotify/spotify.exe" through ssh -CX. The user shall not be allowed to do anything else. Is there any way that would be possible? |
| 13:00.08 | Mabo | I'm using Backtrack prefinal |
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| 13:00.15 | Mabo | Is'n debian ? |
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| 13:00.55 | abrotman | Mabo: ask the backtrack channel, this is not it |
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| 13:01.22 | Mabo | ok thanks |
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| 13:14.47 | unixSnob | how do i use apt-get to downgrade a package? |
| 13:15.08 | unixSnob | i just upgraded a package, and it's a broken piece of crap |
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| 13:21.55 | unixSnob | got my answer in another thread... apt-get is incapable |
| 13:25.06 | abrotman | incapable? |
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| 13:25.41 | unixSnob | abrotman: it cannot downgrade things |
| 13:25.55 | abrotman | well, it can, but it's not advised |
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| 13:40.09 | krifur | hi my prompt look like this "#name.myserver.com (/dev/pts/0) :root@myserver:~ 5#", i want to remove this part "#name.myserver.com (/dev/pts/0) :" I dont think it comes from the .bashrc, and it appears after a technical intervention on my server |
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| 13:44.26 | mischief | krifur, change your PS! |
| 13:44.27 | mischief | PS1 |
| 13:45.32 | bugjar | krifur: echo $PS1 |
| 13:45.42 | krifur | mischief I did but it seems not working |
| 13:45.46 | krifur | ok |
| 13:46.02 | krifur | \[\e]2;\u@\H (/dev/pts/0) : \w\a\[\033[37m\] \[\033[36m\]\u\[\033[00m\]@\[\033[36m\]\h\[\033[31m\]:\[\033[31m\]\w\[\033[31m\] \[\033[36m\]\#\[\033[37m\]# \[\e[0m\] |
| 13:46.14 | mischief | krifur, PS1='\u@\h:\w$ ' |
| 13:46.19 | mischief | that's my usual one, nothin fancy |
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| 13:47.34 | snikker | dropbear: can't load library 'libtomcrypt.so.' (with dot at end of file) :| someone can help me? |
| 13:48.27 | krifur | it s strange cause if i do echo $PS1 I can see clearly the part which echo the extra information i don 't need(dev/pts/0) but it s not corresponding with the PS1 variable i ve got in my bashrc O_o so i guess it s define elswhere, any idea where i can have a look ? |
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| 13:50.18 | mischief | krifur, perhaps /etc/profile, ~/.profile, ~/.bash_profile |
| 13:50.23 | Tobias| | From the netboot-CD menu, I've gone Advanced -> Repair and am now using the busybox terminal, could anybody explain to me how to mount my /home directory/partition? |
| 13:50.25 | valdyn | unixSnob: the fact that you cannot safely downgrade is unrelated to apt-get |
| 13:51.08 | mischief | Tobias|, man moutn |
| 13:51.11 | mischief | Tobias|, man mount |
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| 13:51.15 | valdyn | snikker: no debian program would ask for such a library name, so tell us what is producing that error |
| 13:51.27 | Tobias| | Sorry, mischief, but apparently busybox isn't much into matchmaking |
| 13:51.33 | Tobias| | "/bin/sh: man: not found" |
| 13:51.35 | Tobias| | :p |
| 13:51.49 | snikker | valdyn: i've recompiled from source... |
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| 13:52.13 | valdyn | !vagueness |
| 13:52.13 | dpkg | somebody said vagueness was something which makes baby penguins cry. If an action gives you unexpected results, avoid being vague about the action or its results. If using pronouns, make sure their antecedent is clear. If asking about stuff which "gives you an error", "fails" or "doesn't work", please include a crystall ball in your message. |
| 13:52.17 | snikker | valdyn: but maybe it's not the right channel for ask it... |
| 13:52.26 | mischief | Tobias|, read an online manpage then |
| 13:52.28 | Tobias| | Anyhow, mount /dev/sda[anything] returns "can't find /dev/sda[whatever]" in /etc/fstab" |
| 13:52.38 | krifur | mischief nope it s not in there, is there a command to check where the variable PS1 is set ? |
| 13:52.50 | valdyn | Tobias|: read the /etc/fstab |
| 13:53.06 | Tobias| | "/bin/sh: /etc/fstab: Permission denied" |
| 13:53.12 | valdyn | snikker: maybe, maybe not, i can hardly know |
| 13:53.14 | themill | snikker: any reason you're not just using the debian package? |
| 13:53.15 | mischief | krifur, not really |
| 13:53.17 | valdyn | Tobias|: i did not tell you to run it |
| 13:53.26 | Tobias| | .. that's a good point |
| 13:53.28 | Tobias| | facepalms |
| 13:54.11 | snikker | themill: because it's for embedded system... |
| 13:54.26 | themill | isn't sure how that's relevant |
| 13:54.36 | valdyn | !tell snikker -about ask |
| 13:54.40 | valdyn | !tell snikker -about smart questions |
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| 13:59.59 | sl1ck | Hunk #1 succeeded at 677 with fuzz 1. -- cant figure out which line exactly is causing the fuzz 1 sign...driving me nuts (still don't get these numbers: "@@ -661,7 +665,8 @@") |
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| 14:00.29 | TheSenior | hi guys |
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| 14:01.17 | TheSenior | i would like to uninstall an package that i installed, its called mailutils |
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| 14:01.58 | TheSenior | but whe i try to remove it i get The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 14:02.05 | TheSenior | and a lot of packages listed.... |
| 14:02.18 | asg | TheSenior: pastebin the command and output |
| 14:02.25 | TheSenior | i want to remove just mailutils, what i need to do |
| 14:02.29 | TheSenior | oky |
| 14:02.30 | EagleScreen | TheSenior: using aptitude? |
| 14:02.34 | valdyn | TheSenior: you need to not remove mailutils |
| 14:02.53 | TheSenior | then valdyn ? |
| 14:03.28 | valdyn | TheSenior: you have another problem though |
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| 14:04.07 | TheSenior | i want to install mailx and it says that i need to remove mailutils first... |
| 14:04.19 | valdyn | TheSenior: run "aptitude -f install" and do what asg said |
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| 14:08.02 | TheSenior | i got heirloom-mailx_12.3+cvs20080629-1_i386.deb file for install |
| 14:08.09 | TheSenior | not the package name... |
| 14:08.16 | TheSenior | how to force package install ? |
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| 14:09.28 | themill | !force |
| 14:09.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, force is a widely known, and not so well documented *cough* redhat /feature/. It's suppose to break.... right? As a general rule, if you're trying to force package installation, you're doing something wrong. |
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| 14:12.06 | TheSenior | huhh |
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| 14:13.05 | TheSenior | Selecting previously deselected package heirloom-mailx. |
| 14:13.05 | TheSenior | dpkg: regarding heirloom-mailx_12.3+cvs20080629-1_i386.deb containing heirloom-mailx: |
| 14:13.05 | TheSenior | heirloom-mailx conflicts with mailutils (<< 1:1.1+dfsg1-4) |
| 14:13.05 | TheSenior | mailutils (version 1:1.1+dfsg1-3.1) is installed. |
| 14:13.05 | TheSenior | dpkg: error processing heirloom-mailx_12.3+cvs20080629-1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 14:13.05 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, TheSenior |
| 14:13.05 | TheSenior | conflicting packages - not installing heirloom-mailx |
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| 14:13.06 | dpkg | thesenior: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 14:13.29 | TheSenior | http://pastebin.com/d5c6c8b01 |
| 14:13.47 | TheSenior | sorry for flood |
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| 14:13.53 | TheSenior | pastebin here... |
| 14:13.59 | abrotman | TheSenior: aptitude -f install |
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| 14:18.01 | Electro | hello i have a problem ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) i try to google it but what i find didn`t fix can some help plz |
| 14:18.16 | Multiply | What's the easiest way to install a Debian, directly from XP (No USB/CD/DVD/Floppy/Network booting), just from XP? I am trying to setup Wingrub, but it doesn't seem to let me do that, since I'm using NTFS. Any suggestions? |
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| 14:18.38 | valdyn | Multiply: cant you use the netinstall cd? |
| 14:18.58 | valdyn | err |
| 14:18.58 | Multiply | valdyn: I can't burn any disks atm. Which is my problem. :P |
| 14:19.09 | valdyn | theres an installer for windows |
| 14:19.16 | Multiply | There is? |
| 14:19.16 | markybob | goodbye-microsoft |
| 14:19.26 | valdyn | !goodbye-microsoft |
| 14:19.26 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 14:19.45 | Multiply | Sweet. I'll check it out. |
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| 14:20.34 | Multiply | Thanks a ton. |
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| 14:23.26 | Multiply | Going to reboot, and install debian. I'll be setting up my other computers meanwhile, and get back in here. |
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| 14:29.23 | chellomere | dereferences void_pointer |
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| 14:29.45 | void_pointer | chellomere, lol you did that at the exact same time as someone in #ubuntu ... |
| 14:30.01 | chellomere | ^^ |
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| 14:30.42 | void_pointer | except he segfaulted. You win |
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| 14:32.03 | TheSenior | thats the result. http://pastebin.com/d69a4b23e |
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| 14:32.55 | chellomere | void_pointer, I had a sig11 handler installed |
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| 14:34.00 | void_pointer | ah nice. handle_segfault ftw |
| 14:34.51 | TheSenior | mailutils 1.1+dfsg1-3.1 ---- still installed ? |
| 14:35.04 | TheSenior | how to get rid of this package ? |
| 14:35.40 | sphenxes | when i log to my isp using ssh, the website ask for my password, is there a way to enter the password in the ssh command (I would like to do rsync under cron). rsync -arputv --size-only --ignore-existing --stats --progress -e ssh 'user@isp.com': /path/10092009/ |
| 14:36.06 | chellomere | TheSenior, uninstall it? |
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| 14:36.52 | chellomere | sphenxes, (1) man rsync (2) /password<enter> |
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| 14:37.15 | sphenxes | chellomere, thanks |
| 14:38.43 | sshc | how do I disable mouse acceleration? |
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| 14:39.50 | _Trinity_ | has anyone used FEBE or CLEO on ff? I don't see the point |
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| 14:40.13 | _Trinity_ | if backing up yor profile folder will do exactly the same thing |
| 14:40.21 | toor | so back in the day there were console based libraries to watch videso and look at images |
| 14:40.29 | toor | such as libsvga |
| 14:40.33 | toor | and zgv (image viewer) |
| 14:40.36 | toor | is that stuff still around? |
| 14:40.38 | _Trinity_ | I installed these extensions and am now realizing that |
| 14:40.45 | toor | is there a console mpeg(2/4) player? |
| 14:41.32 | TheSenior | yea chellomere... |
| 14:42.07 | smacnay | ajavid, well, KDE4 will need to wait for another day. To be fair, I didn't give it long enough and it certainly is pretty. |
| 14:42.14 | cahoot | toor: mplayer |
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| 14:42.28 | toor | sweet thanks cahoot |
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| 14:42.48 | smacnay | toor, mplayer through fbdev |
| 14:42.53 | smacnay | or even through svga |
| 14:42.59 | toor | heh libfreebob |
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| 14:43.22 | toor | any configuration required or will it work automagic? |
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| 14:43.39 | Ben_90 | hi |
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| 14:43.49 | smacnay | toor, vo=svga or some such setting in the mplayer config file |
| 14:43.55 | toor | cool |
| 14:44.02 | dob1 | hi, i have some files, i want to add the .txt extension to them, i use rename 's//\.txt$/' ./* but doesn't work, why? |
| 14:44.04 | smacnay | toor, been so long I can't remember |
| 14:44.14 | Ben_90 | where do i get the commodore emulator roms? |
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| 14:45.23 | Ben_90 | not the games but the kernal/chargen etc |
| 14:46.07 | Ben_90 | can anyone please help me? |
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| 14:47.40 | Ben_90 | holy crap my psu is failing |
| 14:48.10 | Ben_90 | oh s**t s**t s**t ! |
| 14:48.17 | Ben_90 | what do i do? |
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| 14:49.55 | Ben_90 | hello??? |
| 14:50.10 | abrotman | is psu a debian package ? |
| 14:50.23 | Ben_90 | my power supply |
| 14:50.28 | abrotman | okay .. so why are you asking here? |
| 14:50.33 | Ben_90 | its blowing hot air |
| 14:50.38 | asg | ask ##hardware then |
| 14:50.47 | Ben_90 | beats me |
| 14:50.51 | Ben_90 | ok |
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| 14:53.24 | Backlash|TheFly | Oh hai ^^ , So I'm making a gaming server and I am deciding on Debian (i think) but i went to the website to download the iso and i think i pooped a little in my pants because theres 5 dvds |
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| 14:54.38 | steffan | Backlash|TheFly: can't you do a NetInstall? http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 14:55.07 | Backlash|TheFly | wont it take as long? or is most of it junk and sources |
| 14:55.21 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 14:55.21 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
| 14:55.24 | chellomere | Backlash|TheFly, you won't need it all. |
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| 14:55.40 | Backlash|TheFly | thank god |
| 14:55.42 | chellomere | Backlash|TheFly, most of debian is optional. |
| 14:55.43 | Backlash|TheFly | @_@ |
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| 14:55.48 | chellomere | haha :) |
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| 14:56.08 | Backlash|TheFly | i mean i have fat pipes but i dont think the deb website can PUSH that much |
| 14:56.09 | Backlash|TheFly | lol |
| 14:56.09 | chellomere | actually, you cannot even install everything, as stuff conflicts with eachother |
| 14:56.22 | dirkson | Hey all. I want my default soundcard to have a mix of sounds from all my applications. Is there a Debian Way to do this, or should I start looking at alsa? |
| 14:56.32 | abrotman | Backlash|TheFly: they have mirrors and bittorrent |
| 14:56.39 | chellomere | Backlash|TheFly, many of the mirrors are pretty good |
| 14:56.44 | Backlash|TheFly | bittorrent didnt seem to have that many seeds |
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| 14:57.06 | abrotman | anyways .. use the netinst |
| 14:57.45 | chellomere | unless you have a good reason not to |
| 14:58.05 | Backlash|TheFly | righto |
| 14:58.06 | uwe | alsa/jackd/pulseaudio are the ways to do it ... its not a debian or non-debian thing dirkson ... i think ... |
| 14:58.35 | Backlash|TheFly | yeah i dont need all that junk anyway im just gonna barebones strip this thing |
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| 14:59.01 | chellomere | if you're installing on a computer that haven't got internet (or haven't got a working nic driver out of the box), cd1 or dvd1 might be a good option |
| 14:59.15 | dirkson | uwe: Do you happen to know if any of these methods with Just Work without undue configuration for each app? |
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| 15:00.50 | Backlash|TheFly | Yeesh 8mb really? i gotta waste a cd on that |
| 15:00.52 | Backlash|TheFly | lol |
| 15:01.34 | chellomere | 100+ mb |
| 15:01.52 | Backlash|TheFly | netboot one says 8mb |
| 15:02.53 | Backlash|TheFly | maybe i should just grab a livecd? |
| 15:02.56 | chellomere | ah well you don't want netboot |
| 15:03.03 | chellomere | netboot != netinstall |
| 15:03.15 | chellomere | I don't believe the livecd lets you install from it |
| 15:03.28 | chellomere | !netboot |
| 15:03.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, netboot is a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>. |
| 15:03.36 | Backlash|TheFly | 0_o really? it would be the only livecd ive ever seen that doesnt cept knoppix |
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| 15:03.51 | chellomere | I believe knoppix lets you install |
| 15:04.02 | chellomere | and there are plenty of live cds that don't let you install |
| 15:04.09 | Backlash|TheFly | knoppix is a fuly functional cd OS |
| 15:04.19 | chellomere | indeed |
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| 15:05.56 | tenzind | hi, i am using Debian testing. Today i did a dist-upgrade and now I cannot right click on the Desktop, and no folders and icons appear on my desktop. Rest all work properly. |
| 15:06.13 | chellomere | tenzind, gnome? |
| 15:06.20 | tenzind | chellomere, yes .. gnome |
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| 15:06.47 | chellomere | tenzind, does the problem solve itself if you open up nautilus? |
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| 15:07.16 | apostle | have problems with my aptitude.....http://debian.pastebin.com/m13770e6f |
| 15:07.27 | tenzind | chellomere, yes .. it does .. did not notice that |
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| 15:08.11 | chellomere | tenzind, you can try logging out, saving your session, and see if it works correctly from the start on next login. |
| 15:08.11 | abrotman | apostle: what did you do to remove 'locale' ? |
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| 15:08.37 | tenzind | chellomere, ok .. will log out and see what happens |
| 15:08.48 | apostle | abrotman, I was getting broken package for libc6 and I removed that....I think it was a big mistake |
| 15:09.07 | chellomere | apostle, indeed, your system won't work without libc6. |
| 15:09.16 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 15:09.29 | chellomere | that said, I don't see how even aptitude works with no libc6 |
| 15:10.29 | Backlash|TheFly | so if i did get a dvd i only need dvd1 right? i found a mirror that can push me 2mbps |
| 15:10.49 | chellomere | apostle, do you have /lib/libc.so.6? |
| 15:10.56 | apostle | still saids it's installed http://debian.pastebin.com/m6b678938 |
| 15:11.11 | apostle | yes |
| 15:11.15 | apostle | chellomere, yes |
| 15:11.25 | chellomere | Backlash|TheFly, yes, if you can use a mirror to download anything that isn't on dvd1. |
| 15:11.30 | _Trinity_ | how does one find out what version of wish one has? |
| 15:11.34 | Backlash|TheFly | yay :) |
| 15:11.40 | apostle | abrotman, how can I fix my aptitude...install from sources? |
| 15:11.53 | apostle | or how do I get back ldconfig |
| 15:12.13 | chellomere | apostle, can you reinstall libc6? aptitude reinstall libc6 |
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| 15:13.02 | tenzind | chellomere, when i logout and login, the problem appears again |
| 15:13.24 | tenzind | how do i save my session while logging out? |
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| 15:13.30 | chellomere | tenzind, ok. sorry, I don't know how to solve that, try asking the gnome guys. |
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| 15:13.47 | tenzind | chellomere, ok .. thanks though :) |
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| 15:13.55 | chellomere | tenzind, I'm not sure how you tell gnome to save your session on logout, there should logically be a checkbox or so in the logout window... |
| 15:14.15 | chellomere | tenzind, either that or there's a way to save the current session in the control panel |
| 15:14.18 | apostle | chellomere, http://debian.pastebin.com/m3d177609 |
| 15:15.15 | chellomere | apostle, ouch. do you have a way of transferring files to this computer? |
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| 15:15.35 | _Trinity_ | has anyone wish upon a start here? |
| 15:15.52 | apostle | yes ssh? |
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| 15:16.47 | apostle | chellomere, what if I get a source package and then run ./configure , make and make install ? |
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| 15:17.41 | chellomere | apostle, if that works, great. you'll have to copy over at least /sbin/ldconfig to that computer, from another one (not necessarily debian linux installation, might work getting one from another distribution, as long as it's the same arch) |
| 15:18.03 | chellomere | apostle, if compiling works, that may also be an option. |
| 15:18.18 | apostle | chellomere, what is my package? |
| 15:18.28 | apostle | chellomere, what source package? |
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| 15:18.55 | chellomere | are you referring to debian source package? |
| 15:19.02 | apostle | libc6: /sbin/ldconfig |
| 15:19.05 | apostle | chellomere, yes |
| 15:19.24 | chellomere | apostle, apt-cache show pkgname will enlighten you. |
| 15:20.24 | Backlash|TheFly | Question: Which X-windows is the smallest FreeBSD had the one that was just xterms |
| 15:20.40 | chellomere | apostle, note that without some knowledge of how debian source packages are made, a plain ./configure; make; make install will likely miss a few patches that the maintainer has added; but currently that's far less important than rescuing your system. |
| 15:21.05 | apostle | chellomere, apt-cache is not working for me |
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| 15:21.45 | chellomere | apostle, then you can refer to packages.debian.org/libc6 |
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| 15:22.06 | chellomere | just trying to teach you how to find it out yourself ^^ |
| 15:22.26 | apostle | chellomere, is there a way to get it installed with dpkg |
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| 15:23.09 | apostle | chellomere, I have the .deb package for libc6 but still searching for sources |
| 15:23.21 | chellomere | apostle, unless you fix ldconfig, I'm afraid not, as according to your pastebin, it is dpkg that is complaining about ldconfig not existing |
| 15:24.00 | chellomere | apostle, if you're on lenny, sources can for example be fetched from http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libc6 . alternatively, you could use apt-get source libc6 if it works. |
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| 15:26.00 | apostle | chellomere, so if I install these ....http://debian.pastebin.com/mdfd72f5 |
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| 15:27.15 | apostle | chellomere, I have the source thou I don't know how to install them |
| 15:27.19 | chellomere | apostle, the .orig.tar.gz is the upstream source. the .diff.gz is the debian patch, which in your case might be optional. |
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| 15:27.30 | abrotman | apostle: just a question .. when it told you "THIS IS A BAD THING" .. why didn't you stop ? |
| 15:28.05 | g00se | If you do hostname -f what is that utility actually doing? |
| 15:28.10 | apostle | abrotman, not cetain what your asking |
| 15:28.25 | chellomere | apostle, I just realized an easier way, if it works: dpkg -x foo.deb |
| 15:28.47 | chellomere | apostle, that will extract the contents of the .deb, and then you can just copy stuff into the correct places. |
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| 15:31.28 | apostle | chellomere, doing so now |
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| 15:33.50 | apostle | chellomere, this is my error now Can't exec "locale": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm |
| 15:34.01 | apostle | I have copied the rest back to proper locations |
| 15:34.07 | subopt | I need to take a tcsh 'foreach' loop and put it on one line so i can enclose it in parens and redirect to file. Anyone know how to do that? |
| 15:34.30 | chellomere | apostle, do you have /usr/bin/locale |
| 15:34.31 | chellomere | ? |
| 15:34.42 | apostle | checking now |
| 15:35.41 | chellomere | usr/bin/locale is suplied by libc6 |
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| 15:36.33 | apostle | chellomere, no more errors |
| 15:36.42 | apostle | chellomere, is there anything else I should do |
| 15:36.52 | apostle | chellomere, Super Thanks for all the help |
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| 15:37.38 | chellomere | apostle, aptitude reinstall libc6 to make sure you have everything from it. |
| 15:38.30 | apostle | chellomere, super thanks |
| 15:39.19 | chellomere | apostle, np :) you should be glad that your system wasn't damaged more than this, in that case it may have warranted a reinstall if it wasn't too much trouble |
| 15:40.25 | fanuc98 | Ok, I shouldn't, but I use to be good with Irssi....help me re-learn how to set my channels?....for autolog. |
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| 15:42.04 | apostle | chellomere, so where you from man? |
| 15:42.11 | chellomere | apostle, sweden. |
| 15:42.14 | fanuc98 | I ain't got a nickel for a coke |
| 15:42.18 | apostle | chellomere, cool I from Canada |
| 15:42.26 | apostle | chellomere, Debian community rocks |
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| 15:44.22 | abrotman | fanuc98: ask #irssi |
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| 15:44.57 | chellomere | fanuc98, join any networks and channels you want, then /layout save, iirc |
| 15:45.01 | fanuc98 | Ok...sorry...I remember /hilight abrotman.....LOL =D |
| 15:45.18 | fanuc98 | And I remember rsay....but that is bad. ! |
| 15:46.01 | xeon-enouf | fanuc98: there's also a #irssi here. but see the /usr/share/doc/irssi/startup-HOWTO.html |
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| 15:46.06 | fanuc98 | Ok, I did the /layout save chellomere....now? |
| 15:46.07 | xeon-enouf | et al |
| 15:46.47 | fanuc98 | If I get a re-fresher, I'm good to run.....and make people cry as I cross channels, drunk...so... =D |
| 15:46.54 | chellomere | fanuc98, ... that should be all. |
| 15:46.59 | xeon-enouf | still wasted? ugh |
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| 15:47.17 | xeon-enouf | points at himself and laughs uproariously |
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| 15:47.49 | fanuc98 | hmmm. That wasn't how I put channels into my irssi for auto log before. |
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| 15:48.12 | xeon-enouf | something like /network or /server -add |
| 15:48.20 | xeon-enouf | use /help <command> |
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| 15:49.14 | fanuc98 | simpler /network or /server -add (example). |
| 15:49.16 | xeon-enouf | bah |
| 15:49.20 | xeon-enouf | do /help channel |
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| 15:50.13 | fanuc98 | I'll remember, and when I do, have pity on my multi colours and on my music! :P |
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| 15:50.54 | ripero | can anybody help me install the lenny-backports version of pidgin? |
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| 15:51.11 | abrotman | ripero: did you read the instructions at backports.org ? |
| 15:51.18 | ripero | yes |
| 15:51.20 | ripero | apt-get install -t lenny-backports pidgin |
| 15:51.33 | boxxertrumps | i'm trying to mount a hfs+ partition, is hpmount my best option? |
| 15:51.51 | xeon-enouf | boxxertrumps: IIRC, you can only mount 'ro' if that matters |
| 15:52.10 | boxxertrumps | xeon-enouf: no, i just need to find a will. |
| 15:52.15 | xeon-enouf | hfsplus |
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| 15:52.23 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 15:52.23 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 15:52.24 | xeon-enouf | should work |
| 15:52.28 | abrotman | ripero: so what about it doesn't work ? |
| 15:52.41 | boxxertrumps | thanks enough |
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| 15:52.44 | ripero | it requires versions of pidgin-data and libpurple0 that aren't available from any repository (lenny-backports, lenny, squeeze, sid,...) |
| 15:52.54 | boxxertrumps | enouf* |
| 15:52.54 | ripero | well, to be more precise |
| 15:53.08 | abrotman | ripero: try with aptitude .. put all of the output in paste.debian.net |
| 15:53.11 | xeon-enouf | boxxertrumps: it's in man mount |
| 15:53.17 | spldart | I have a question. I put debian-eeepc.img on my 4 gig transcend stick with dd in linux and slapped it into my eee pc900. I hit escape after turning the power on and get to the boot select screen. I select it but it wont boot it. I then went into bios and disabled it's ability to boot off its internal ssd and restarted. Now I have a message that says 'reboot and select proper boot device'. I can put the stick into a machine and see all the f |
| 15:53.17 | spldart | iles on it just fine. Any ideas? |
| 15:53.20 | ripero | ok |
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| 15:53.53 | abrotman | !tell spldart about eeepc |
| 15:54.15 | spldart | I was using the wiki for the install |
| 15:54.31 | spldart | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install |
| 15:54.40 | xeon-enouf | spldart: reinstall grub onto whichever device you want to boot from? |
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| 15:55.17 | xeon-enouf | spldart: instead of hitting ESC, try find /boot/grub/stage1 |
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| 15:56.11 | spldart | I'm not sure how that would help. I'm trying to wipe xandros and install debian |
| 15:56.17 | spldart | How would I do that? |
| 15:56.30 | abrotman | spldart: that was more of a hint to ask #debian-eeepc on OFTC |
| 15:56.36 | spldart | oh. |
| 15:56.41 | spldart | hehe |
| 15:56.45 | greycat|home | dpkg said to ask #eeepc on this network |
| 15:56.45 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, greycat|home |
| 15:56.49 | xeon-enouf | spldart: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html and /msg dpkg rescue mode |
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| 15:57.02 | greycat|home | I'm thinking that spldart didn't read the bot's comment. |
| 15:57.11 | spldart | I did |
| 15:57.30 | sl1ck | patching goes trough but it doesn't report "hunk x successful", bash only returns "patching file dir/dir/file.ext" - how can fix the hunk report? |
| 15:57.54 | abrotman | greycat|home: it says if you want help with the original OS to ask #eeepc .. if you're installing debian, i guess you go to #debian-eeepc on oftc |
| 15:57.57 | greycat|home | that's normal for newer version of patch, sl1ck |
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| 15:58.24 | xeon-enouf | sl1ck: a)are youstarting with a _base_ version you're applying patches to? |
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| 15:58.35 | greycat|home | abrotman: it wasn't clear to me from his original question that he was trying to install Debian onto its permanent storage device. |
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| 15:59.05 | greycat|home | especially when he said he disabled its ability to boot from SSD |
| 15:59.13 | sl1ck | xeon-enouf: sorry? |
| 15:59.16 | spldart | sry. I thought the debian-eeepc.img gave that away ;) |
| 15:59.42 | xeon-enouf | spldart: s/base/major/ as opposed to major.minor |
| 16:00.27 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: you're talking to the wrong person |
| 16:00.32 | xeon-enouf | spldart: wait. you "put debian-eeepc.img on my 4 gig transcend stick" (how?) a dd from where? |
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| 16:00.45 | sl1ck | different version of the same patch applies with the "hunk successful" message - mine does not - I'm wondering why is that (they both do work and amend the files accordingly) |
| 16:01.03 | xeon-enouf | then you want to tranfer _that_ onto your eeepc pc900 system that's nowrunning Xandross? |
| 16:01.04 | abrotman | i think ... |
| 16:01.07 | spldart | hehe |
| 16:01.17 | xeon-enouf | crap |
| 16:01.23 | greycat|home | sl1ck: if there's an offset (meaning that patch had to apply the change to a different set of lines than the change specified), then patch might be more verbose. |
| 16:01.34 | ripero | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/46998/ |
| 16:01.39 | spldart | Yep. I want to eliminate xandros |
| 16:01.40 | greycat|home | sl1ck: if the patch goes through cleanly without any offsetting, then you don't get extra verbosity from newer patch(1) programs |
| 16:01.48 | spldart | and run debian on the internal ssd |
| 16:02.34 | abrotman | ripero: say 'y' to the first option |
| 16:03.22 | ripero | then it'll remove libpurple-bin libpurple0 and pidgin?! |
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| 16:04.39 | xeon-enouf | they are broken anyway - heh |
| 16:04.52 | sl1ck | greycat|home: if a patch removes line #5 and adds several others starting from again line #5 is considered an "offset"? |
| 16:04.53 | abrotman | ripero: let it .. you wan tthe one from bpo anyways |
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| 16:05.25 | spldart | ah HAH! my bad. I typed sdc1 when I dd'd hehe Guy on #eeepc saw that right off |
| 16:05.27 | xeon-enouf | install apt-listbugs .. indeed |
| 16:05.30 | paxcoder | the default dosbox install doesn't recognize arrow keys. help? |
| 16:05.33 | greycat|home | sl1ck: if patch(1) is able to follow the diff exactly, without any changes, then it just says "patching file XXX" |
| 16:05.44 | ripero | abrotman: and afterwards? |
| 16:05.45 | greycat|home | sl1ck: it's only when patch(1) has to do something unexpected that you get extra verbosity |
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| 16:05.57 | xeon-enouf | spldart: idon't think you ever told us that ;-) |
| 16:05.59 | greycat|home | unless you're using an older version of patch(1) |
| 16:06.00 | abrotman | ripero: just try it |
| 16:06.16 | ripero | abrotman: ok, they were removed |
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| 16:06.53 | sl1ck | greycat|home: can you elaborate on "unexpected", what would constitute an unexpected patch(ing) ? |
| 16:06.56 | abrotman | ripero: and did it install pidgin ? |
| 16:07.01 | ripero | no |
| 16:07.27 | greycat|home | sl1ck: why are you so incredibly concerned about how many lines of output patch gives you while it's patching? |
| 16:07.37 | abrotman | ripero: so .. aptitude -t lenny-backports install pidgin .. does nothing ? |
| 16:07.42 | spldart | I didn't. My bad. You guys would have caught it equally as fast I'm sure ;) |
| 16:07.44 | greycat|home | and no, I don't have a complete list of all the possible scenarios that could cause patch(1) to emit a line of output. |
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| 16:08.15 | Backlash|TheFly | Debian - Burnination |
| 16:08.49 | ripero | abrotman: no, http://paste.debian.net/46999/ |
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| 16:09.49 | sl1ck | greycat|home: a valid question. I'm preparing a patch for a group of linux users who aren't as advanced, and I would think if they don't see the "successful hunk" message they would render it problematic or 'unsuccessful' (I know, its lame) |
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| 16:10.14 | greycat|home | I don't think they would ever expect to see that, if they're really inexperienced. |
| 16:10.34 | abrotman | ripero: aptitude remove pidgin ; aptitude -t lenny-backports install pidgin |
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| 16:10.52 | greycat|home | You could have your script look for *.rej files afterward if you want a second reassurance. |
| 16:10.53 | ripero | abrotman: pidgin was already removed |
| 16:11.20 | sl1ck | well, in sense that they are used to seeing the "successful hunk" message, I already had some inquiries, regarding the matter |
| 16:11.38 | ripero | abrotman: so no complains for the removal, and the same output for the backports install |
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| 16:11.42 | abrotman | ripero: okay .. say 'n' until you find one where it's going to install pidgin |
| 16:11.46 | greycat|home | so they're either used to REALLY old patch(1) programs, or they're used to malformed diffs? wonderful. |
| 16:12.13 | sl1ck | like I said, I know it's lame |
| 16:12.28 | ripero | all options involve accepting "pidgin [Not Installed]" |
| 16:13.01 | ripero | it really looks like there's no way to install the present pidgin lenny-backports version |
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| 16:13.23 | abrotman | ripero: lots of other people seem to do it |
| 16:13.48 | ripero | abrotman: I would love to know how |
| 16:14.16 | abrotman | ripero: apt-cache policy pidgin |
| 16:15.19 | sl1ck | many thanks, greycat|home |
| 16:15.20 | ripero | abrotman: I could do so like three weeks ago in my laptop (i686), but now I can't on my desktop (amd64) |
| 16:15.20 | enmerkar_ | i want to inject one file into a specific line of a lot of files, can sed do that? |
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| 16:15.48 | enmerkar_ | ponders writing a head cat tail script |
| 16:16.24 | chellomere | !talk like a pirate |
| 16:16.24 | dpkg | No, nay, ne'er I be doing that! |
| 16:16.29 | chellomere | hides |
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| 16:16.53 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 16:17.06 | themill | ripero: some pidgin-related packages are still being build for backports.org for some architectures. The delay is unfortunate but there's not much you can do about it atm |
| 16:17.26 | abrotman | ripero: apt-cache policy pidgin pidgin-data |
| 16:17.39 | abrotman | ripero: it looks like half of 2.6.x of pidgin is going in now |
| 16:17.45 | abrotman | oh .. which themill just told you about :) |
| 16:17.51 | metalfan_ | my debian packet did build, but the .deb contains no data? ive used: dh_make -e marcus@antbear.org -f ~/hallo-0.1.tar.gz ; edited the control file ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b |
| 16:17.53 | themill | win me! |
| 16:18.50 | ripero | themill: ok, thanks |
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| 16:19.03 | ripero | abrotman: ok, yes... although I think I have been unable to do so for some days |
| 16:19.20 | ripero | abrotman: thanks for the help :) |
| 16:19.30 | abrotman | ripero: i'm not aware of a buildd log for backports.org .. i guess you could try to build it yourself from the backports.org src pacakges |
| 16:20.20 | themill | (openoffice was recently borked like that for i386 and it took a week or so to get sorted out; for that time, OOo from bpo was completely uninstallable0 |
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| 16:23.09 | tassoman | is there some advice / docs about debian and storage: raid1 nfs? |
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| 16:26.09 | tassoman | i've started a netinstal on mini-itx and flash ide 1GB drive |
| 16:27.01 | tassoman | now i would share with samba and nfs two sata disks but before of this I would merge them into a raid1 array |
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| 16:28.07 | Multiply | I just burned the netinst on a CD, but the computer doesn't want to boot on it. How come? :P |
| 16:28.30 | greycat|home | check the BIOS and see if you have to tell it to boot from the CD-ROM somehow special |
| 16:28.37 | tassoman | Multiply, checkout the boot sequence in bios |
| 16:28.54 | spldart | meh.. eeepc can be quiet. Whatcha think. sda on the 900 is a 4 gb ata asus-phison ssd. currently I'm looking at Partition 1) 2.5 gb 2) 1.5 gb 3) 8.2 mb and 4) 8.2 mb . Can I just delete partition 1 and 2 and then recreate a 4 gig partition for Debian to install on? |
| 16:28.59 | tassoman | so what about raid? some advice? |
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| 16:29.35 | Hobbes` | spldart yeah that's what i did |
| 16:29.37 | Multiply | tassoman, it's set to only boot on floppy, and CD, atm. |
| 16:29.54 | spldart | Oki doki. Thanks. |
| 16:29.58 | greycat|home | how did you burn the netinstall image to the CD? |
| 16:30.01 | tassoman | Multiply, put cd in front of floppy |
| 16:30.01 | Multiply | A sitenote: The CD works just fine, on my other pc (Windows) |
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| 16:30.29 | Hobbes` | spldart use the eeepc installer ... I installed over wpa2 wifi |
| 16:30.36 | Multiply | My friend did it for me, since I had no disks at home. I assume he used a standard burning program. |
| 16:30.41 | Hobbes` | from a usb stick |
| 16:31.00 | Hobbes` | Multiply define works fine ? |
| 16:31.05 | greycat|home | well if the other PC can boot from that CD, then it's probably OK |
| 16:31.08 | Multiply | As in, can see the files on the disk. |
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| 16:31.20 | Multiply | CD* |
| 16:31.22 | Hobbes` | do you see a .iso file ? or other files ? |
| 16:31.35 | Multiply | The other files. |
| 16:31.36 | stack | hi, is there any GOOD guide in packaging for debian? For now I'm able to package a program but not able to separate all his components (like libofprogram ,libofprogram-dev , program etc ) . |
| 16:31.44 | Multiply | setup.exe, and whatnot. |
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| 16:32.15 | kavakava | I have a user where I have this in the autohorized_keys: command="/usr/bin/wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Spotify/spotify.exe",no-agent-forwarding,no-port-forwarding ssh-rsa AAAAB3... Spotify starts, but I don't get any audio. The user is added to the audio group and it doesn't seem to be any softwaremixing errors since mplayer works. Any ideas? |
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| 16:32.33 | spldart | Hobbes' I'm using debian-eeepc.img off a usb stick. |
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| 16:32.44 | vaid | hello |
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| 16:33.32 | euphidime | Hello, how can I increase the ulimit -n limit from the absurdly low default of 1024 system-wide? I tried putting it in /etc/security/limits, and it appears to have had no effect. |
| 16:33.55 | greycat|home | euphidime: you have to logout and back in for that to take effect |
| 16:33.58 | mischievious | euphidime, only takes effect after re-logging in iirc |
| 16:34.02 | mischievious | dangit greycat|home |
| 16:34.20 | euphidime | mischievious: greycat|home: No go |
| 16:34.41 | spldart | Crap... should have copied to get the last character right Hobbes` debian-eeepc.img <in case the other didn't highlight cuz I didn't get the name right. |
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| 16:35.13 | euphidime | It's getting a little frustrating because I'm running a relatively high-traffic server and the number of concurrent connections is effectively capped at 1024. Really sucks. |
| 16:35.46 | tassoman | To get the raid device, should I only install mdadm? |
| 16:36.17 | unitypunk | my usb device has been offlined. |
| 16:36.22 | greycat|home | euphidime: did you enable the pam_access.so lines in /etc/pam.d/* ? |
| 16:36.26 | unitypunk | how can i bring it back? |
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| 16:37.45 | euphidime | greycat|home: greycat|home I think you mean pam_limits.so, and yes |
| 16:38.21 | greycat|home | ah, could be. |
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| 16:38.55 | unitypunk | http://unitypunk.pastebin.com/d24f214fa |
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| 16:41.12 | unitypunk | no takersw? |
| 16:43.04 | abrotman | there's an error .. why is that confusing ? |
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| 16:46.35 | Thms | Can anyone renember me how can I do to put a local "name" on one ip ? Like instead of doing ssh root@192.168.1.1 I'll can do ssh root@webserver |
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| 16:46.48 | greycat|home | you can edit /etc/hosts or your ~/.ssh/config file |
| 16:46.52 | fmr | Thms: hosts |
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| 16:47.26 | Thms | okay thanks |
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| 16:47.53 | themill | Thms: if you stick in your ~/.ssh/config file as greycat suggested, you an also define the username to save the root@ part. |
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| 16:48.24 | _ChanD_ | whether a request here a free shell? |
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| 16:49.08 | _ChanD_ | ? |
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| 16:50.33 | _ChanD_ | hey? |
| 16:50.35 | _ChanD_ | whether a request here a free shell? |
| 16:50.56 | themill | _ChanD_: no-one here is going to give you a free shell account. |
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| 16:51.53 | _ChanD_ | how to get a shell account?? |
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| 16:52.14 | kavakava | Are you willing to spend any money on it? |
| 16:52.17 | piper69 | howdy folks |
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| 16:52.23 | xeon-enouf | Multiply: perhaps an isolinux issue, if it doens't want to boot at all - you said the same system boots a windows cd? |
| 16:52.35 | piper69 | why VLC will sometimes play avi and sometime it wont |
| 16:52.37 | piper69 | can you please help me |
| 16:52.56 | xeon-enouf | oh the CD itself boots on a diff PC .. i see |
| 16:52.58 | Multiply | xeon-enouf, I said another system shows me the files on the disk properly. Atm I'm trying to get PXE to work, as it being my only option at the moment. |
| 16:53.03 | kavakava | piper69: Probably because avi is just a container, and it depens on what is in it. |
| 16:53.25 | piper69 | kavakava: how would io know |
| 16:53.28 | xeon-enouf | Multiply: what kind of system is the non-booting one? |
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| 16:53.42 | _ChanD_ | |
| 16:53.45 | _ChanD_ | I want a shell account but the free |
| 16:53.47 | Multiply | xeon-enouf, nothing at the moment. |
| 16:53.53 | kavakava | piper69: You could try mediainfo and see what output it gives. |
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| 16:54.12 | Multiply | xeon-enouf, I didn't try to boot on the CD, on other computers, tho. |
| 16:54.13 | themill | _ChanD_: #debian is for free shell accounts, perhaps ask in ##linux if anyone can help you. |
| 16:54.28 | chellomere | themill, I think you missed a NOT :) |
| 16:54.34 | themill | bah! |
| 16:54.43 | Multiply | themill, epic fail. |
| 16:54.47 | kavakava | You must be crazy if you give away shell accounts to strangers. :-p |
| 16:54.49 | Multiply | Now give us them free shells |
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| 16:55.03 | themill | piper69: "file foo.avi" will tell you what the avi contains |
| 16:55.24 | Multiply | chellomere, nice spotted, tho. I clearly read it as "Not for shell accounts" at first. |
| 16:55.39 | NETUN | fglrx-driver: |
| 16:55.40 | NETUN | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.40 | NETUN | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.40 | NETUN | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.40 | NETUN | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:55.47 | kyxzme | Hello |
| 16:55.54 | kyxzme | i am trying to install debian on a netbook |
| 16:56.01 | kyxzme | i've created installer pendrive |
| 16:56.12 | kyxzme | but it doesn't read my eth card |
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| 16:56.18 | kavakava | themill: Wow. Didn't think file was that smart. Thanks for the tip. :-) |
| 16:56.19 | kyxzme | it is a atl1 |
| 16:56.19 | themill | NETUN: please don't paste and please provide error messages in English or try #debian-russian |
| 16:56.23 | pistache | I got a problem with masquerading, between a Xen guest and my dom0. my dom0 has a public WAN IP, and I have a private subnet for my Xen guest. I've set up iptables rules. ANd it works, but it's slow. When I ping a remote machine, the ping is low (20ms), but there is huge gap between each ping. Same thing when I want to open a connection, with wget or whatever. It's taking time to begin, but when it began, it's running well. Any idea why this is happening ? |
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| 16:56.44 | kyxzme | why it doesn't take card-module? |
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| 17:01.24 | xeon-enouf | !netbook |
| 17:01.24 | dpkg | Netbooks are small energy efficient laptops, some of which are sold with linux preinstalled. Sites dedicated to linux on laptops can be of help (ask me about <laptops>). See also <eeepc>, <acerone>, <lt1000>. |
| 17:01.30 | boxxertrumps | well, now that fs is mounted i can look through my boss's dead father's harddrive |
| 17:01.37 | boxxertrumps | thanks a ton enouf. |
| 17:01.52 | xeon-enouf | welcome |
| 17:01.56 | boxxertrumps | ;_; |
| 17:02.06 | piper69 | themill: its in my stick but it doesn't want to open it |
| 17:02.13 | piper69 | i get its not a file or dir |
| 17:02.27 | piper69 | file /dev/sda1/name.avi |
| 17:02.33 | xeon-enouf | piper69: use tab completion? |
| 17:02.38 | xeon-enouf | wait, whatr? |
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| 17:02.56 | greycat|home | Someone needs to make a laptop with dual NICs. |
| 17:02.57 | xeon-enouf | piper69: use /mnt/point/file.avi |
| 17:03.05 | xeon-enouf | not /dev/name |
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| 17:03.50 | piper69 | xeon-enouf: i don;t understand |
| 17:04.17 | xeon-enouf | piper69: 'mount' (and cat /proc/mounts) will show mount point |
| 17:04.48 | xeon-enouf | piper69: file /mnt/point/file.avi ..not /dev/sdaX/file.avi |
| 17:05.11 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: Hey. It turns out that optical drive problem I was having, was because of the kernel support for my optical drive. It was 2.6.26 that I used, and a daily had 2.6.30 and worked perfectly with no issues. |
| 17:05.30 | Multiply | I almost got PXE to work, but it keeps pinging my PXE server, and it pings with a new ip from the pool over and over. Why is that? |
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| 17:05.41 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: wow - heh - and it's likely your Controller, not the drive itself |
| 17:05.46 | Multiply | I'm using TFTPD32, for Windows, btw :P |
| 17:06.10 | xeon-enouf | guesses some SiL or Jmicron thingy |
| 17:06.35 | xeon-enouf | !debian.exe |
| 17:06.35 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 17:06.40 | markrian | I don't quite understand the first step described here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ#Q.3AHowdoIbootUSBdebian-liveonsystemsnotsupportingUSBboot.3F . The code box starting with a mkdir command, the third line says there's a chroot/boot directory. What the working directory supposed to be? Where's the chroot coming from? |
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| 17:07.13 | Multiply | xeon-enouf, I still have no OS on the server I want debian to run on :P |
| 17:07.18 | piper69 | Potty_Power.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 704 x 478, ~30 fps, video: FFMpeg MPEG-4, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz) |
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| 17:07.29 | piper69 | ^^ Don't laugh its for my 2 yrs old |
| 17:07.41 | greycat|home | Too late. ;-) |
| 17:07.44 | piper69 | lol |
| 17:08.04 | themill | that's not something you see every day in #debian |
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| 17:08.17 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: Yeah. I sort of forgot about that. That's right. I swapped out the ribbon cable, and the optical drive, and I still had problems. So, yeah. controller. lol. Anyway, I'm all good now. Got amd64 testing version running. I just have to figure out how to get TeamFortress2 to run properly under this now. It's not even launching. =( |
| 17:08.27 | piper69 | themill: trying to spice life here hahahhahaah |
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| 17:08.48 | piper69 | i could 've changed it but want the laughter anyways |
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| 17:09.07 | xeon-enouf | markrian: the debian-live version has a chroot/ dir? |
| 17:09.35 | piper69 | so why it not playing in VLC themill |
| 17:09.53 | xeon-enouf | markrian: "A: Make a boot CD with grub, configured to boot from a debian-live kernel copied on the cd structure." <--maybe ask in #debian-live |
| 17:10.28 | markrian | xeon-enouf: k |
| 17:10.34 | xeon-enouf | piper69: my congratulations on toilet-training ;-) |
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| 17:10.47 | piper69 | lmaorotf |
| 17:11.19 | kyxzme | !lt100 |
| 17:11.20 | kyxzme | !lt1000 |
| 17:11.20 | dpkg | The LT 1000 is a <netbook> series produced by Gateway. http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Gateway/LT+1000 http://www.gateway.com/programs/ltseries/ See also <ath9k>. |
| 17:11.54 | xeon-enouf | kyxzme: see lspci -nn output , find your wifi card line, show us |
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| 17:12.08 | xeon-enouf | boot a livecd if needed ;-) |
| 17:12.19 | kyxzme | i don't need wifi, my eth is a wired card |
| 17:12.28 | ShamwowVideoProf | can the 5.0.3 amd64 business card install to ext4? |
| 17:12.52 | xeon-enouf | well, then that line kyxzme - Ethernet |
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| 17:13.05 | brainbox | hey anyone here use usenet with their debian box? |
| 17:13.17 | ShamwowVideoProf | brainbox: no i use bittorrent |
| 17:13.22 | xeon-enouf | !tias |
| 17:13.22 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See"... or what you could have done first. |
| 17:13.23 | kyxzme | ok |
| 17:13.25 | kyxzme | im pasting it |
| 17:13.34 | brainbox | I have issues with torrents on my isp lately |
| 17:13.37 | piper69 | i installed ffmprg and still not working |
| 17:13.49 | xeon-enouf | piper69: from dmm? |
| 17:13.52 | ShamwowVideoProf | xeon-enouf, i am not wasting a cd |
| 17:13.53 | brainbox | and blocking rst packets no longer twarts sandvine it seems |
| 17:13.55 | markrian | brainbox: I've used usenet with debian, yes |
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| 17:14.08 | brainbox | whats a good client for usenet |
| 17:14.09 | brainbox | ? |
| 17:14.11 | markrian | pan |
| 17:14.15 | brainbox | pref one i can apt-get |
| 17:14.15 | piper69 | apt get install ffmpeg |
| 17:14.16 | apt | ACTION fetches install ffmpeg |
| 17:14.34 | kyxzme | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Attansic Technology Corp. Device [1969:1062] (rev c0) |
| 17:14.44 | xeon-enouf | piper69: you need mpeg4 support .. a RIFF? ask #mplayer or #vlc |
| 17:14.54 | ShamwowVideoProf | so anybody know if the 5.0.3 business card supports ext4? |
| 17:15.04 | piper69 | deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main < this is from sources.list |
| 17:15.09 | xeon-enouf | judd: pciid 1969:1062 |
| 17:15.10 | judd | xeon-enouf: [1969:1062] is 'Atheros AR8132 / L1c Gigabit Ethernet Adapter' from 'Attansic Technology Corp.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1062 |
| 17:15.14 | markrian | brainbox: pan |
| 17:15.32 | kyxzme | should i have to install starting from sid? |
| 17:15.36 | ShamwowVideoProf | hellllloooooooO?? |
| 17:15.48 | xeon-enouf | kyxzme: you need atl1c from a .30 bpo kernel, or the .30 from sid, i gather |
| 17:15.56 | chellomere | ShamwowVideoProf, ext4 was declared stable in 2.6.28, and lenny has 2.6.26. |
| 17:16.08 | ShamwowVideoProf | so can i choose it from the list? |
| 17:16.12 | ShamwowVideoProf | use as ext4? |
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| 17:16.21 | xeon-enouf | kyxzme: not recommended, use the bpo kernel - or grab a kmuto image |
| 17:16.22 | ShamwowVideoProf | or do i need to pre-partition it? |
| 17:16.27 | bzed | ShamwowVideoProf: read again what chellomere said. |
| 17:16.31 | ShamwowVideoProf | i did |
| 17:16.34 | piper69 | no vlc channel |
| 17:16.38 | kyxzme | mh |
| 17:16.43 | kyxzme | sid is unstable... |
| 17:16.51 | xeon-enouf | indeed |
| 17:16.52 | bzed | ShamwowVideoProf: what is so hard to understand in 'no your lenny kernel does NOT support ext4'. |
| 17:16.59 | ShamwowVideoProf | oh ok |
| 17:17.00 | ctmjr | piper69: try #videolan |
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| 17:17.01 | Dominicus | I guess I'm supposed to install or make sure I have installed... libgl (open gl for 32 bit). Is anyone familiar with what packages control that? I get like 60 plus confusing items when I search for it. =( |
| 17:17.02 | ShamwowVideoProf | thanks |
| 17:17.09 | kyxzme | !kmuto |
| 17:17.09 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 17:17.11 | ShamwowVideoProf | is a squeeze cd coming out? |
| 17:17.11 | xeon-enouf | bzed: ext4dev IS in .26 |
| 17:17.19 | bzed | xeon-enouf: don't use it. |
| 17:17.25 | xeon-enouf | bzed: limited ext4 support, i take it |
| 17:17.37 | babilen | hi all. which logging daemon would you recommend for a central logging infrastructure? syslog-ng or rsyslog? i would like to have seperate directories for every host that logs. preferrably created by the logging daemon |
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| 17:17.44 | xeon-enouf | !listvals ext4dev |
| 17:17.46 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ext4dev' by value returned no results. |
| 17:17.50 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 17:17.53 | ShamwowVideoProf | wait wait wait if its a business card, i can install unstable yes? |
| 17:18.05 | ShamwowVideoProf | then partition my disc to ext4 |
| 17:18.07 | greycat|home | nobody installs unstable. |
| 17:18.11 | ShamwowVideoProf | uhhh i do |
| 17:18.12 | xeon-enouf | install testing |
| 17:18.13 | ShamwowVideoProf | all the time |
| 17:18.14 | brainbox | anyone know of a good usenet server to use? pref one with lots of binaries... |
| 17:18.20 | bzed | xeon-enouf: ext4dev is the developer version of ext4, which was included before to test and debug it, it is not stable and will probably kill your data |
| 17:18.23 | xeon-enouf | then upgrade |
| 17:18.24 | brainbox | linux iso's mac iso's etc |
| 17:18.27 | greycat|home | really. there's a "sid install ISO"? |
| 17:18.28 | chellomere | xeon-enouf, ext4dev in 2.6.26 is buggy, however. |
| 17:18.36 | xeon-enouf | bzed: data killerz are humans :-) |
| 17:18.37 | pistache | I got a problem with masquerading, between a Xen guest and my dom0. my dom0 has a public WAN IP, and I have a private subnet for my Xen guest. I've set up iptables rules. ANd it works, but it's slow. When I ping a remote machine, the ping is low (20ms), but there is huge gap between each ping. Same thing when I want to open a connection, with wget or whatever. It's taking time to begin, but when it began, it's running well. Any idea why this is happening ? |
| 17:18.40 | bzed | greycat|home: no, install testing and upgrade |
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| 17:18.43 | xeon-enouf | chellomere: understood |
| 17:18.45 | greycat|home | bzed: precisely. |
| 17:18.57 | ShamwowVideoProf | if i install testing or unstable, can i install debian to a ext4 partition? |
| 17:19.15 | ShamwowVideoProf | and select it from a list |
| 17:19.30 | bzed | ShamwowVideoProf: if you're asking that question better stick with a stable one without ext4. |
| 17:19.33 | chellomere | it appears that it is possible to use it on lenny anyway, but with some caveats: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#For_people_who_are_running_Debian |
| 17:19.42 | chellomere | don't use it unless you want to have your data eaten, tho |
| 17:19.48 | bzed | ShamwowVideoProf: or install the kernel from backports.org |
| 17:19.57 | xeon-enouf | greycat|home: one can try, there are options in both businesscard, and netboot only, IIRC to *try* and insrtall unstable directly, however, i see it failing more often than not |
| 17:19.57 | bzed | ShamwowVideoProf: and upgrade later |
| 17:19.59 | ShamwowVideoProf | ok the answer is no i see |
| 17:20.06 | ShamwowVideoProf | see i want to install it TO ext4. not upgrade |
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| 17:20.31 | babilen | any recommendations for a central logging infrastructure daemon? would *you* prefer rsyslog or syslog-ng? |
| 17:20.35 | xeon-enouf | chellomere: thanks for that url (will update-self ;-)) |
| 17:20.41 | greycat|home | if the kernel on your installation image can mount an existing ext4 partition read-write, then you could premake the partition, and install onto it. |
| 17:20.56 | ShamwowVideoProf | when is a squeeze cd coming out? and why for the last 6 months, the amd64 daily builds have been broken |
| 17:21.38 | ShamwowVideoProf | it fails on bootstrap or it doesn't install grub. also, the ncurses inerface never works |
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| 17:22.01 | ShamwowVideoProf | where is the source to the daily builds so i can fix it? |
| 17:22.09 | greycat|home | perhaps #debian-boot moved to OTFC or OFTC or whatever that other place is |
| 17:22.09 | ShamwowVideoProf | 6 months is too long |
| 17:22.28 | xeon-enouf | old hat, but still http://tytso.livejournal.com/57492.html |
| 17:23.09 | abrotman | ShamwowVideoProf: i told you a couple of days ago how to get ext4 during install .. |
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| 17:25.04 | babilen | given the fact that rsyslog is the default in debian right now, what does that make of syslog-ng. was the decision mainly based on the compatible config file structure or are there other arguments i am not aware of? |
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| 17:28.13 | dirkson | Ok, I give in. Is there some way I can tell crontab -e NOT to use damn pico? |
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| 17:28.47 | piper69 | xeon-enouf: how do i replace a package in debian |
| 17:29.00 | dirkson | HAHAHA! ^.^ |
| 17:29.05 | dirkson | figured it out. Die, pico, die. |
| 17:29.20 | piper69 | One needs to replace the following packages with those which are provided by Debian: ffmpeg libavcodec51 libavdevice52 libavformat52 libavutil49 libpostproc51 libswscale0 |
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| 17:30.10 | abrotman | dirkson: set your editor |
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| 17:30.18 | chellomere | piper69, just dpkg -i them all at once. |
| 17:30.24 | dirkson | abrotman: Yup. Got it. Pico died. Evil pico. |
| 17:31.04 | adb | no |
| 17:31.18 | batman_ramirez | hi... is it possible to modify my filesystem... i mean... i have all / in one partition.... can i mount /opt in other partition now... without reinstall??? |
| 17:31.30 | abrotman | batman_ramirez: sure |
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| 17:31.49 | piper69 | chellomere: dpkg: error processing libswscale0 (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
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| 17:32.15 | batman_ramirez | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:32.16 | chellomere | piper69, dpkg operates on .deb packages. not archives. |
| 17:32.42 | piper69 | chellomere: i don't knwo how to do that |
| 17:33.04 | batman_ramirez | another question... i been searching for a debian solution on the logitech audiohub sound issue... has anyone solve that?? |
| 17:33.54 | sepult | batman_ramirez: ?? |
| 17:33.56 | chellomere | piper69, then I think you didn't describe your problem accurately. what are you trying to do? |
| 17:34.25 | piper69 | chellomere: watch mpeg4 in vlc |
| 17:34.39 | piper69 | and google said to replace packages |
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| 17:34.52 | chellomere | piper69, replace by which packages? |
| 17:35.05 | xeon-enouf | piper69: what / why google? |
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| 17:35.32 | piper69 | http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-11182.html |
| 17:35.35 | piper69 | 4th down |
| 17:36.08 | tassoman | wich best filesystem for a storage of 500Gb? |
| 17:36.18 | xeon-enouf | piper69: this is #debian not #sidux ;-) |
| 17:36.23 | tassoman | default ext3 it's ok? |
| 17:36.24 | JPT | depends on what kind of files you want to store... |
| 17:36.36 | JPT | there are some that are better for many small files |
| 17:36.41 | JPT | and there are some for laaaarge files |
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| 17:36.59 | JPT | ext3 should suffice for basic usage |
| 17:37.01 | tassoman | JPT will be a home storage made of large videos and small music |
| 17:37.12 | JPT | hm |
| 17:37.17 | JPT | ext3 might be the easiest one then |
| 17:37.36 | tassoman | JPT still good also on raid device? |
| 17:37.39 | chellomere | piper69, I understood you as that you were running debian and were trying to replace the debian packages with other packages that you had downloaded. but yeah, if you're running sidux, #sidux is the correct channel. |
| 17:38.16 | JPT | tassoman: i don't know very much about raid stuff, but in general, ext3 might be a good choice ;) |
| 17:38.26 | pistache | I got a problem with masquerading, between a Xen guest and my dom0. my dom0 has a public WAN IP, and I have a private subnet for my Xen guest. I've set up iptables rules. ANd it works, but it's slow. When I ping a remote machine, the ping is low (20ms), but there is huge gap between each ping. Same thing when I want to open a connection, with wget or whatever. It's taking time to begin, but when it began, it's running well. Any idea why this is happening ? |
| 17:38.29 | ctmjr | piper69: can mplayer or xine play the video? |
| 17:38.43 | tassoman | JPT i hope so, it doens't need to b indexed |
| 17:39.28 | piper69 | nope |
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| 17:40.40 | Multiply | I've tried serval times to install Debian using the netinst, and I keep getting "Installation step failed". Why is that? I followed all the steps thru, without problem |
| 17:41.04 | xeon-enouf | Multiply: see alt-f4? |
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| 17:41.30 | xeon-enouf | (where messages are) |
| 17:41.46 | xeon-enouf | Multiply: also, could use BOOT_DEBUG=3 or so |
| 17:42.02 | xeon-enouf | see the Installation Guide boot paramters |
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| 17:43.06 | Terminus- | hello. i'm trying to install a domU on lenny by following http://wiki.debian.org/Xen but i get an error regarding busybox not being installed successfully in the installer. any idea why? |
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| 17:43.20 | Terminus- | i've tried both the vanilla and teh daily build.s |
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| 17:45.47 | Multiply | xeon-enouf, I'm using the GTK over PXE |
| 17:45.52 | xeon-enouf | Terminus-: testing i presume? |
| 17:45.59 | Terminus- | looks like the relevant portion in the logs. any way to fix this? --> http://codepad.org/0QQI9J4I |
| 17:46.00 | xeon-enouf | Multiply: and? |
| 17:46.12 | Terminus- | xeon-enouf: nope. stable. |
| 17:46.13 | Multiply | xeon-enouf, how do I choose boot options then? :P |
| 17:46.17 | darrh00 | I have a package name libfoo2,when I build another package called bar which depends on this libfoo2,but dh_gencontrol always generate control file which says it depens on libfoo2-0, that's libfoo2 vs libfoo2-0 , what possible mistake can I make? |
| 17:46.41 | Multiply | Plus alt+f4 doesn't seem to do anything |
| 17:47.24 | \amethyst | darrh00: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be able to help you better |
| 17:47.24 | xeon-enouf | Terminus-: i'd say show that to #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
| 17:47.53 | xeon-enouf | Multiply: preseed, i guess |
| 17:48.22 | xeon-enouf | Multiply: but what does alt-f4 say? |
| 17:48.31 | Multiply | xeon-enouf, nothing. |
| 17:48.32 | xeon-enouf | oh |
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| 17:49.20 | darrh00 | \amethyst: thanks!I'll try that. |
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| 17:49.41 | Terminus- | xeon-enouf: thanks. |
| 17:49.45 | xeon-enouf | darrh00: try /msg dpkg which version (IINM) |
| 17:49.49 | babilen | which logging daemon is preferred, syslog-ng or rsyslog? |
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| 17:50.26 | xeon-enouf | babilen: iirc, rsyslog is the default in later releases, maybe even lenny |
| 17:51.26 | babilen | xeon-enouf: yes, i know that rsyslog is the default. do you happen to know if this is only due to the compatible config file format? |
| 17:51.44 | babilen | or were there other reasons that i am not aware of? |
| 17:52.13 | xeon-enouf | darrh00: crap .. try /msg dpkg compare versions |
| 17:52.34 | xeon-enouf | babilen: no idea |
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| 17:53.27 | babilen | ok. no problem. someone else? |
| 17:53.42 | xeon-enouf | check the BTS to see which has more open bugs? :-P |
| 17:53.52 | babilen | xeon-enouf: good idea ;-) |
| 17:54.22 | xeon-enouf | also, install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs (for anything newer than Lenny) |
| 17:55.05 | babilen | yes, i already have that. |
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| 17:55.54 | babilen | the point is that the logging infrastructure in our network needs a redesign and i am trying to gather some information of syslog-ng and rsyslog |
| 17:56.06 | Multiply | Why is "Partition disks" simply hanging, doing nothing (Atleast nothing visual) for like 5 minutes? If not longer. Been waiting a few minutes now, but last time I did this, (booting from the harddisk) it worked quite fast. At the moment it's PXE, since I can't burn the netinst to a CD. |
| 17:56.13 | Multiply | Atleast I hope it's not hanging. |
| 17:56.42 | babilen | so i can make an educated decision. and as i value the opinion and expertise of #debian quite a lot i thought i ask here as well |
| 17:57.30 | xeon-enouf | sure - babilen ask during a weekday perhaps - also note #debian on irc.debian.org |
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| 18:00.52 | babilen | xeon-enouf: will do that. i planned to do so anyways. have a nice evening (or whatever quarter of the day it is in your location) |
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| 18:02.19 | majkl578 | hi all, does anybody know when kernel 2.6.31 will come? :) |
| 18:02.39 | woshty | majkl578: ? |
| 18:02.42 | EagleScreen | very soon |
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| 18:03.03 | majkl578 | woshty: ? |
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| 18:03.11 | majkl578 | EagleScreen: thanks ;) |
| 18:03.12 | EagleScreen | 2.6.32 is already stable |
| 18:03.17 | EagleScreen | sorry |
| 18:03.21 | EagleScreen | 2.6.31 |
| 18:03.34 | majkl578 | i know, it's why i'm asking :) |
| 18:03.36 | abrotman | majkl578: come where ? |
| 18:03.40 | EagleScreen | it should reach Debian unstable soon |
| 18:03.44 | majkl578 | abrotman: to sid repo |
| 18:03.47 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:03.51 | abrotman | WIR, SIYH |
| 18:04.30 | woshty | majkl578: same as abrotman |
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| 18:05.30 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: when in rome, say it's your home? :-P |
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| 18:06.21 | Multiply | Hmm. I think my harddisk is dead now. :P |
| 18:06.37 | Multiply | It hangs on "Detect disks" :P |
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| 18:07.59 | digilink | hey guys quick question, I see two group files in /etc/, /etc/group and /etc/group-, whats the difference and why two files? |
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| 18:08.42 | r0fl | how do i kill something like that |
| 18:08.42 | r0fl | 15226 ? ZNl 397:17 [java] <defunct> |
| 18:08.54 | xeon-enouf | digilink: the - one is a backup |
| 18:09.01 | r0fl | kill -9 does not work |
| 18:09.13 | xeon-enouf | !zombie |
| 18:09.13 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 18:09.30 | digilink | xeon-enouf tnx :) |
| 18:09.58 | anigma | I love that they call if "zombie" :) |
| 18:10.01 | xeon-enouf | digilink: you'll notice passwd- and {g}shadow- as well, IIRC |
| 18:10.44 | simonrvn | digilink: the non- - one is a 'backup'. something edited /etc/group (likely a package) and made a backup. |
| 18:10.53 | r0fl | but it looks like the port is still used |
| 18:11.14 | abrotman | it's still a zombie |
| 18:11.17 | xeon-enouf | ~$ ls /etc/*- |
| 18:11.18 | xeon-enouf | /etc/group- /etc/gshadow- /etc/passwd- /etc/shadow- |
| 18:12.06 | euphidime | I have a network server that's failing to accept new connections once it has 1024 active connections open. However, ulimit -n is showing 65535. What's going on? |
| 18:12.33 | r0fl | how can i use the port again? |
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| 18:13.15 | abrotman | r0fl: it's a zombie |
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| 18:14.44 | metalfan2 | hi |
| 18:14.54 | r0fl | abrotman: but there is no parent process. i can't see one. it was started through a java wrapper. but it looks like it is not running any more |
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| 18:15.10 | metalfan2 | where can i tell apache2 to open index.php first and then index.html it the user requests a directory? |
| 18:15.23 | xeon-enouf | r0fl: try ps auxf |
| 18:15.25 | abrotman | r0fl: so the answer is to restart the box |
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| 18:15.30 | xeon-enouf | r0fl: i use pstree |
| 18:15.45 | xeon-enouf | r0fl: init is the parent of all ;-) |
| 18:15.59 | chellomere | metalfan2, DirectoryIndex |
| 18:16.01 | greycat|home | metalfan2: DirectoryIndex index.php index.html ... |
| 18:16.22 | r0fl | xeon-enouf: yes. it is init ;P |
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| 18:17.04 | r0fl | allright. so i will restart one day |
| 18:17.06 | r0fl | thanks |
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| 18:19.53 | Multiply | What is LVM/Encrypted LVM? |
| 18:20.01 | greycat|home | !lvm |
| 18:20.01 | dpkg | lvm is, like, the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:20.34 | BackLash|TheFly | :) sweet jebus debians evolved since i last used it |
| 18:21.08 | BackLash|TheFly | last i remember the entire installation was badly written text prompt |
| 18:21.12 | BackLash|TheFly | ^^ |
| 18:21.31 | chellomere | then I assume you were using woody or earlier? |
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| 18:21.52 | BackLash|TheFly | i think it was pre-woody |
| 18:22.36 | clarjon1 | lol BackLash|TheFly |
| 18:22.42 | abrotman | woody had an ncurses installer |
| 18:22.47 | BackLash|TheFly | lets see... sophomore highschool 2000 or 2001 |
| 18:22.52 | abrotman | so did slink IIRC |
| 18:23.14 | wildc4rd_ | evening all |
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| 18:23.36 | BackLash|TheFly | the installer was so badly written i messed up like 5 times xD |
| 18:23.51 | Poincare1 | can someone please help me on a grub error? |
| 18:24.02 | at0m | BackLash|TheFly: you managed this time? |
| 18:24.16 | Poincare1 | can someone please help me on a grub error 18? |
| 18:24.24 | chellomere | Poincare1, did you google it? |
| 18:24.28 | Poincare1 | yes i did |
| 18:24.28 | BackLash|TheFly | lol I could do this installer in my sleep zzzZZzz in fact i think i did fall asleep during part of it o_o |
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| 18:24.53 | Poincare1 | the thing is |
| 18:25.00 | Poincare1 | i was installing debina |
| 18:25.02 | Poincare1 | debian |
| 18:25.03 | xeon-enouf | !grub errors |
| 18:25.03 | dpkg | [grub.errors] grub error X? go to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting to find out what it means |
| 18:25.16 | peterrooney | dpkg \ |
| 18:25.16 | dpkg | i don't know, peterrooney |
| 18:25.27 | Poincare1 | the computer crashed in between the installation |
| 18:25.32 | Poincare1 | and I installed it again |
| 18:25.36 | Poincare1 | over the old installation |
| 18:25.36 | chellomere | Poincare1, "18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS" |
| 18:25.45 | Poincare1 | How can I fix that? |
| 18:25.48 | Poincare1 | that is the question! |
| 18:25.52 | nsadmin | !enter |
| 18:25.52 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:26.04 | greycat|home | reinstall grub to the MBR from some kind of a stable point. |
| 18:26.09 | BackLash|TheFly | Now im just trying to get some sort of flash plugin running so i can listen to music while i recompile my kernel :/ dont suppose anyones got any sure fire one-two combos for that one? |
| 18:26.14 | greycat|home | did your installation to the hard drive successfully finish? |
| 18:26.20 | xeon-enouf | wipe it with /dev/zero, then reinstall - OH .. cjeck your BIOS setup |
| 18:26.21 | abrotman | !tell BackLash|TheFly about adobe flash |
| 18:26.22 | Poincare1 | how can I reinstall just grub? |
| 18:26.29 | xeon-enouf | wipe it with /dev/zero, then reinstall - OH .. cjeck your BIOS setup Poincare1 |
| 18:26.48 | Poincare1 | how do I check my bios setup (i am a newb to all this)? |
| 18:26.51 | xeon-enouf | it's likely lost it's (some) CMOS settings |
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| 18:27.17 | Poincare1 | yes, before the installation it complained about weird block size |
| 18:27.19 | xeon-enouf | try #hardware |
| 18:27.27 | Poincare1 | okay |
| 18:27.33 | BackLash|TheFly | yupper thats what i used with buntu |
| 18:27.34 | xeon-enouf | (is too lazy to explain all this) |
| 18:27.46 | Poincare1 | please xeon, can you help? |
| 18:27.49 | xeon-enouf | s/lazy/tired |
| 18:27.54 | Poincare1 | please? |
| 18:27.57 | Poincare1 | pretty please? |
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| 18:28.01 | xeon-enouf | uff |
| 18:28.10 | greycat|home | You're just making yourself more annoying. |
| 18:28.13 | BackLash|TheFly | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. <-- maybe i need another repository? |
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| 18:28.32 | greycat|home | BackLash|TheFly: enable non-free and contrib in sources.list probably |
| 18:28.36 | xeon-enouf | press F1 or F2 or some other key to enter BIOS - google for the PDF manual for the make/model |
| 18:28.40 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: |
| 18:28.40 | BackLash|TheFly | nod nod wil ldo |
| 18:28.50 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: that should explain it all |
| 18:29.06 | Poincare1 | thank you xeon |
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| 18:29.11 | clarjon1 | F1, F2, Del, Ins, F10... |
| 18:29.21 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: i forgot to say "press F1 .. just after the POST (boot up)" |
| 18:29.47 | abrotman | greycat|home: gone from lenny |
| 18:29.55 | abrotman | !tell BackLash|TheFly about dmm |
| 18:29.56 | greycat|home | oh, it's like xlock then |
| 18:29.57 | abrotman | !tell BackLash|TheFly about bpo |
| 18:29.59 | xeon-enouf | and disable any all fastboot, splash OEM crap |
| 18:30.10 | abrotman | greycat|home: yes .. but actually a smart idea considering flash sucks :) |
| 18:30.33 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: note; you want the disks to be using LBA when possible |
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| 18:30.51 | BackLash|TheFly | abrotman: thats a nifty irc command ^^ |
| 18:31.03 | abrotman | yeah .. i'm fancy |
| 18:31.14 | greycat|home | xeon-enouf: I'm still leaning toward "The fact that it crashed in the middle of my first install left the MBR with corrupted contents" a bit. |
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| 18:31.51 | xeon-enouf | odd .. i missed that one ;-) |
| 18:32.01 | Multiply | "Error informing the kernal about modifications to partition /dev/hda2 -- Device or resource busy. This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/hda2 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount ir or use it in any way before rebooting." - "ERROR!!!" <- Why is it suddenly saying this, while partitioning the disk? |
| 18:32.09 | Multiply | It was working like 30 minutes ago. |
| 18:32.23 | greycat|home | Not hard to miss half of what he said since he took 500 lines to say it. |
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| 18:32.32 | xeon-enouf | right |
| 18:32.36 | clarjon1 | Multiply: Because there was an error informing the kernel about partition changes, and you need to reboot |
| 18:32.38 | greycat|home | if you partition an IDE disk, you need to reboot afterward |
| 18:32.48 | Multiply | clarjon1, rebooting doesn't seem to fix itt. |
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| 18:32.58 | nsadmin | Multiply: if the disk is busy the partitioner can't reread the partition table after changes' |
| 18:33.04 | xeon-enouf | greycat|home: not really .. only if / is on same HDD |
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| 18:33.09 | Multiply | Why would it be busy? |
| 18:33.15 | Poincare1 | hmmm |
| 18:33.18 | nsadmin | so in order to see the partition you just made you have to reboot |
| 18:33.18 | greycat|home | because you're running off it |
| 18:33.20 | Poincare1 | can I reformat my MBR? |
| 18:33.28 | BackLash|TheFly | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. Still :/ |
| 18:33.29 | Poincare1 | and then reinstall? |
| 18:33.31 | greycat|home | MBR is not "formatted". It just contains stuff. |
| 18:33.35 | Poincare1 | I mean |
| 18:33.40 | Poincare1 | can I empty the MBR? |
| 18:33.43 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: installation will do that |
| 18:33.44 | clarjon1 | Poincare1: wipe it? |
| 18:34.03 | BackLash|TheFly | <-- confuzzled |
| 18:34.10 | hark | BackLash|TheFly: it's in backports |
| 18:34.11 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: yes ..but why? nothing else you want on the disk to keep? |
| 18:34.12 | nsadmin | Poincare1: do you have partitions on the drive? if you're not careful you'll lose the partitions |
| 18:34.22 | xeon-enouf | and stop typong so fucken fast! |
| 18:34.24 | abrotman | BackLash|TheFly: did you add the repo for bpo or dmm ? |
| 18:34.31 | greycat|home | He never said whether his second install successfully finished or not. |
| 18:34.46 | Poincare1 | I have no partitions on the hard drive |
| 18:34.50 | Poincare1 | I have no important data |
| 18:34.55 | greycat|home | So the second install failed very very hard. |
| 18:34.57 | Poincare1 | that machine is like my experimental machine |
| 18:34.59 | greycat|home | That would explain why you have no grub! |
| 18:35.07 | BackLash|TheFly | abrotman: doing it as we tyoe |
| 18:35.11 | BackLash|TheFly | or typo |
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| 18:36.03 | nsadmin | ok, then you could zero the sector and add partitions after (which you will have to do: legacy grub does not work if you don't have at least one partition on the drive |
| 18:36.14 | nsadmin | ) |
| 18:36.18 | Poincare1 | so, how do I empty the MBR? |
| 18:36.24 | Poincare1 | that's the question IMHO |
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| 18:36.46 | greycat|home | If I give you a literal answer, will you be happy? |
| 18:36.58 | greycat|home | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/DISKDEVICE bs=512 count=1 |
| 18:37.18 | Multiply | I really think that there's something wrong with the harddisk tho. It's slow, and it hangs whenever it's supposed to detect the hardware/do anything related to the harddisk. It didn't do that before. :P |
| 18:37.19 | greycat|home | (That may wipe out more than just the MBR.) |
| 18:37.58 | xeon-enouf | 440 for just code greycat|home - the partition tables are bytes 446-510 |
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| 18:38.47 | xeon-enouf | but yeah, he should probably let dd go and do the 1st 32K + |
| 18:39.07 | xeon-enouf | to get the 1st partition's bootsector as well |
| 18:39.44 | greycat|home | I have no idea whether the F2 shell on the lenny net install has dd or not. Debian's install images have notoriously skimpy recovery tool sets. |
| 18:40.23 | Poincare1 | so, what's the conclusion? (I ask because I understood none of what just went on :( ) |
| 18:40.50 | greycat|home | I don't think you'd like my conclusion. |
| 18:40.50 | xeon-enouf | greycat|home: it's only busybox tools, IIRC |
| 18:41.04 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: go gfrab sysresccd.org |
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| 18:41.22 | xeon-enouf | you seem like you'll have a lot of need for it :-P |
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| 18:41.39 | greycat|home | one can never have too many rescue CDs. |
| 18:41.47 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: ever find your manual? |
| 18:41.57 | xeon-enouf | google define:BIOS yet? |
| 18:42.07 | xeon-enouf | seen wikipedia.org? |
| 18:42.11 | apostle | any openERP users in here |
| 18:42.22 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 18:42.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:45.26 | Poincare1 | can someone please send me a direct link to the download of system rescue cd for x86 on linux? |
| 18:45.33 | greycat|home | No. |
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| 18:45.47 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: google define:LBA .. it mean logical block address |
| 18:46.00 | xeon-enouf | what? |
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| 18:47.09 | greycat|home | The only thing I dislike about rescue CDs is by the time you need one again, the kernel on the one you already have is too old for the hardware you need to boot it on. |
| 18:47.19 | greycat|home | So they tend to get used once. |
| 18:47.29 | BumfunMC | is there a way to find out which files in /etc have been changed manually? |
| 18:47.38 | BackLash|TheFly | whoever invented the backscratcher deserves an award |
| 18:47.48 | greycat|home | Install Debian into a chroot and use diff against the two trees. |
| 18:47.56 | xeon-enouf | greycat|home: hence, a use for CD-RW media;-) |
| 18:48.32 | nsadmin | spensive :P |
| 18:48.33 | xeon-enouf | BumfunMC: maybe debsums would do close |
| 18:48.35 | simonrvn | you use a cd-rw ;p |
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| 18:49.41 | BumfunMC | xeon: thanks |
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| 18:53.09 | miodi | hi, where could i download the wireless binaries for installation? |
| 18:53.36 | abrotman | !tell miodi about installer firmware |
| 18:55.04 | BackLash|TheFly | abrotman: k so i got those am i using iceweasel? because firefox still wont let me install :p |
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| 18:55.25 | abrotman | BackLash|TheFly: sure .. use iceweasel |
| 18:55.36 | NoCode | Hey, is there a terminal program that does both twitter and identica in one client? And in Lenny? |
| 18:55.38 | clarjon1 | they worked fine for me :P |
| 18:55.48 | NoCode | wants something good |
| 18:56.04 | abrotman | judd: versions twidge |
| 18:56.05 | judd | abrotman: twidge -- sid: 0.99.4 squeeze: 0.99.4 |
| 18:56.33 | NoCode | checks twidge out |
| 18:56.42 | BackLash|TheFly | abrotman: i <3 you |
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| 18:56.53 | BackLash|TheFly | im an audiophile i was going crazy in silence |
| 18:57.14 | abrotman | so you're using pandora ? |
| 18:57.19 | BackLash|TheFly | verrily |
| 18:57.34 | BackLash|TheFly | snoop doggy dawwwg |
| 18:57.50 | Poincare1 | hmmm... hey NoCode, is it okay if the program iss in python and not an executable? |
| 18:58.02 | Poincare1 | If so, I don't mind writing such a program |
| 18:58.12 | BackLash|TheFly | man it fires up FAST too :) much pleased |
| 18:59.17 | BackLash|TheFly | hmm now im migrating from FreeBSD i used a prog there called cpuset is there any affinity programs you guys would suggest? |
| 18:59.19 | BackLash|TheFly | are8 |
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| 19:00.00 | abrotman | BackLash|TheFly: apt-cache search cpu affinity ? |
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| 19:00.39 | BackLash|TheFly | oh wow :P im not used to things telling me they exist |
| 19:01.03 | BackLash|TheFly | usually i gotta dangle a carrot by port 80 and wait for soemthing to bite |
| 19:01.07 | clarjon1 | hehe |
| 19:01.29 | miodi | abrotman: i didn't get a query from the bot, so could you give me the link? |
| 19:01.31 | clarjon1 | BackLash|TheFly: apt-cache search is awesome stuff :D |
| 19:02.07 | abrotman | !installer firmware |
| 19:02.08 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
| 19:02.26 | miodi | abrotman: thanks alot :) |
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| 19:05.21 | mxweas | I saw that mounting some filesystem thing failed during boot. Is there a log or something so I can see what it was? |
| 19:05.36 | clarjon1 | mxweas: dmesg? |
| 19:06.35 | mxweas | I tried grep'ing for the word fail |
| 19:06.36 | mxweas | didnt work |
| 19:06.40 | BackLash|TheFly | interesting "ps aux | less" doesnt show me idle cpu % |
| 19:06.46 | BackLash|TheFly | did in BSD |
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| 19:07.29 | NoCode | Twidge looks like a pain in the arse |
| 19:07.37 | abrotman | BackLash|TheFly: 'w' |
| 19:07.40 | NoCode | grumbles |
| 19:07.50 | fredl | hi guys. I seem to be having problems with the two RTL8111/8168B NIC's on Lenny... |
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| 19:08.16 | mxweas | error: cannot mount local filesystem. How do I fix that? |
| 19:08.17 | mxweas | :P |
| 19:08.22 | mxweas | This is a vmware machine btw. |
| 19:08.27 | fredl | it's a pretty widely reported bug from what I can tell in kernels up to and including 2.6.26 |
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| 19:09.16 | nsadmin | mxweas why can't it mount the filesystem? |
| 19:09.21 | BackLash|TheFly | abrotman: ps aux | 'w' ? |
| 19:09.32 | fredl | but I can't quite figure out what's the status for it on Lenny. |
| 19:09.32 | abrotman | no .. just 'w' |
| 19:09.42 | abrotman | BackLash|TheFly: oh wait .. nevermind |
| 19:09.47 | Terminus- | hello. question, how can i get the amount of disk space taken by a sparse file? |
| 19:10.32 | BackLash|TheFly | i was gonna say umm... |
| 19:10.34 | BackLash|TheFly | ^^ |
| 19:10.36 | chellomere | Terminus-, use du |
| 19:10.51 | BackLash|TheFly | handy command i didnt know tho |
| 19:11.04 | Terminus- | chellomere: oh... that's obvious in hindsight. i better go smash my head on the desk now. |
| 19:11.08 | Terminus- | thanks! |
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| 19:11.26 | chellomere | Terminus-, (duh :P) |
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| 19:11.40 | fredl | now... this is rather embarassing but how do I search for keywords on bugs.debian.org ?!?! |
| 19:11.45 | Terminus- | i tend to type ls -lh too much. =D |
| 19:11.51 | abrotman | fredl: there's a search farther down the page |
| 19:11.58 | mxweas | I installed gdm, but I don't really plan to use it. How do I set my system to just boot into the first terminal? |
| 19:12.23 | fredl | oh okay, found it. |
| 19:12.27 | fredl | tnx abrotman. |
| 19:12.48 | nsadmin | mxweas: one way, remove gdm |
| 19:13.19 | mxweas | really? I've been successful in stopping gdm from booting in ubuntu, I dont remember how though :| |
| 19:13.54 | starenka | hi, what gui package manger would you reccommend? (i dont like kpackage and synaptic - used to use adept, but can't find it in lenny repos). ? |
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| 19:14.32 | themill | !adept |
| 19:14.32 | dpkg | it has been said that adept is a package manager for Debian that is designed to fit nicely into KDE environments. It is sufficiently buggy that it is not even in sid; take that as a warning. See http://bugs.debian.org/464340. Its use under etch is not recommended either; just use aptitude instead or if you really need a GUI, synaptic. Ask me about <aptitude> <synaptic>. Discontinued as of December 2008. |
| 19:14.36 | Poincare1 | hey xeon |
| 19:14.40 | Poincare1 | are you still here? |
| 19:14.52 | Poincare1 | I burned the system rescue cd |
| 19:14.54 | Poincare1 | and it loading |
| 19:14.58 | Poincare1 | its |
| 19:15.03 | Poincare1 | but what should I do now? |
| 19:15.07 | Poincare1 | how do I clear the MBR? |
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| 19:15.14 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.28 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: ok, so .. |
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| 19:15.36 | mxweas | nsadmin: removing rc?.d symlinks I think will work. |
| 19:15.50 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: 18:27 < greycat|home> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/DISKDEVICE bs=512 count=1 |
| 19:16.32 | xeon-enouf | mxweas: yeah - or use rcconf, or /msg dpkg nodm |
| 19:16.47 | Poincare1 | so do I plug that into the commands? |
| 19:16.48 | Poincare1 | or what? |
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| 19:17.24 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: in the shell .. also run fdisk -l to see your /dev/names |
| 19:17.29 | xeon-enouf | of HDDs |
| 19:17.42 | fredl | hmm according to bug 514732 the Realtek 1868 module is not included in 2.6.26-1-amd64.... it's also not included in 2.6.26-2-amd64.... my install has automatically loaded the r8169 module which seems to be faulty. |
| 19:17.50 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: all those need root/sudo privs |
| 19:18.09 | fredl | weird. |
| 19:18.09 | nsadmin | he doesn't understand that DISKDEVICE should be replaced by his device |
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| 19:18.53 | Neo_The_User | debian sid is like archlinux |
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| 19:19.17 | ajavid | what |
| 19:19.27 | Neo_The_User | i said debian sid is like archlinux |
| 19:19.29 | jelly-home | ajavid, yhbt |
| 19:19.29 | ajavid | Neo_The_User, you analogy is wrong |
| 19:19.35 | ajavid | !ybht |
| 19:19.39 | ajavid | jelly-home, huh? |
| 19:19.42 | abrotman | ajavid: stop feeding him |
| 19:19.48 | jelly-home | You have been trolled. |
| 19:19.49 | BackLash|TheFly | abrotman: top shows me better information but again i think its only giving me stats on overall cpu utilization i need individual (running dual core) |
| 19:19.51 | ajavid | oh |
| 19:19.53 | ajavid | fuck me. |
| 19:19.57 | ajavid | carry on... |
| 19:20.00 | jelly-home | no thanks |
| 19:20.01 | abrotman | BackLash|TheFly: hit '1' |
| 19:20.06 | ajavid | jelly-home, lol |
| 19:20.15 | ajavid | good afternon btw gang |
| 19:20.21 | BackLash|TheFly | aha! |
| 19:20.25 | BackLash|TheFly | :D |
| 19:20.29 | abrotman | BackLash|TheFly: or check atop or htop |
| 19:20.29 | BackLash|TheFly | much betta |
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| 19:20.38 | ajavid | I just discovered an mtop! |
| 19:21.03 | Poincare1 | wait xeon, this may seen stupid but can you tell me the commands I should run again? (pidgin crashed) |
| 19:21.05 | ajavid | there is a top of almost everything |
| 19:21.32 | Dominicus | So, if I wanted to create a bootable thumbdrive for installing debian linux amd64 stable from, how would I go about doing that? Because, the nvidia-glx-ia32 that I need for 32 bit opengl isn't available for installing because of dependency conflicts. =( |
| 19:21.34 | ajavid | is there a list of all the tops somewhere and what they do? |
| 19:21.43 | jmarsden | ajavid: There is also ptop :) |
| 19:21.47 | hark | there's ptop too |
| 19:21.48 | ajavid | looks |
| 19:21.58 | abrotman | ajavid: apt-file search top | grep bin ? |
| 19:22.07 | ajavid | sweet, abrotman oh, didn't even think of that |
| 19:22.14 | Poincare1 | zeon? |
| 19:22.14 | ajavid | beautiful |
| 19:22.16 | abrotman | shocker .. |
| 19:22.19 | Poincare1 | xeon? |
| 19:22.21 | Poincare1 | are you still here? |
| 19:22.23 | ajavid | themill, see what I mean. |
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| 19:22.25 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: i would run the HDD manufacturer;s diagnostic tools on your disk, and maybe even badblocks and SMART |
| 19:22.32 | BackLash|TheFly | hah nice i can watch my cpu swapping taking place :) |
| 19:22.45 | xeon-enouf | Poin .. my nick can easily be tab-completed |
| 19:23.01 | ajavid | themill, remember what I told you last night? Yup. |
| 19:23.03 | abrotman | ajavid: you're going to get a lot .. you might want to try a regex to limit it to like egrep "top$" | grep bin .. or something like that |
| 19:23.03 | BackLash|TheFly | cpu1 4% cpu2 0% cpu1 0% cpu2 4% |
| 19:23.08 | BackLash|TheFly | ^^ |
| 19:23.13 | ajavid | abrotman, oh cool, thanks |
| 19:23.26 | JyZyXEL | i would like to compare image viewers based on their popularity |
| 19:23.34 | abrotman | themill: just remember .. remember what i say all the time |
| 19:23.49 | themill | rocks back and forth in the corner trying his best to forget |
| 19:23.53 | JyZyXEL | popcon.debian.org only allows to see the popularity by package name |
| 19:24.03 | BackLash|TheFly | JyZyXEL: i always just used gimp because when i view images i tend to edit them >:) |
| 19:24.13 | ajavid | themill, point made. |
| 19:24.20 | nsadmin | then get a list of package names :) |
| 19:24.30 | JyZyXEL | well im searching for a image viewer |
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| 19:24.42 | themill | JyZyXEL: debtags might be useful here |
| 19:24.45 | ajavid | acdsee clone |
| 19:24.48 | ajavid | gtksee |
| 19:24.48 | JyZyXEL | !debtags |
| 19:24.48 | dpkg | hmm... debtags is http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags |
| 19:24.55 | hark | apt-file search -x bin/[a-z]top$ |
| 19:24.56 | ajavid | my favorite is gwenview |
| 19:24.56 | xeon-enouf | gliv JyZyXEL |
| 19:24.57 | nsadmin | browse packages.debian.org |
| 19:25.06 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: apt-xapian-index |
| 19:25.13 | BackLash|TheFly | gwenview is nice.. ive used it |
| 19:25.14 | Poincare1 | What would happen if I were to clear my MBR? I understand that my current operating system won't load but, can I reinstall without problems? |
| 19:25.22 | xeon-enouf | use debtags? |
| 19:25.46 | Poincare1 | what are deb tags? |
| 19:25.50 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: you'll wipe out all MBR code and partition tables |
| 19:26.00 | abrotman | Poincare1: keep on task |
| 19:26.13 | xeon-enouf | that's all - if you don't need anythingfrom disk, you could zero out the entire drive |
| 19:26.19 | abrotman | Poincare1: do NOT msg me |
| 19:26.29 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: debtags was not for you' |
| 19:26.52 | fredl | something fishy here: RX packets:20405171 errors:0 dropped:674845642471 |
| 19:26.53 | Poincare1 | oh |
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| 19:26.58 | Poincare1 | i'm sorry abortman |
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| 19:27.50 | greycat|home | Error installing new /etc/inetd.conf: Invalid cross-device link |
| 19:27.55 | greycat|home | Huh. That's quite odd. |
| 19:28.01 | JyZyXEL | oh what the hell |
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| 19:28.15 | spldart | I just installed debian lenny on my eee 900. What would be a goood gui type appy that would allow easy configuration of my wireless. Like. saved profieles for my home lan and the hotel in one city and the hotel in another city etc. |
| 19:28.16 | JyZyXEL | apt-xapian-index's documentation was incomplete |
| 19:28.20 | JyZyXEL | it lacked all the examples |
| 19:28.26 | spldart | allow me to browse the availabe networks too.l |
| 19:28.30 | JyZyXEL | and it doesn't have a manual |
| 19:28.32 | fredl | how can I find if there are kernel backports for lenny available? |
| 19:28.33 | JyZyXEL | how the hell do you use it |
| 19:28.57 | fredl | oh shit, a kernel backport won't work for me coz it will break fglrx... |
| 19:28.57 | hark | spldart: network-manager |
| 19:28.58 | xeon-enouf | fredl: there are? |
| 19:29.05 | abrotman | fredl: backports.org |
| 19:29.08 | xeon-enouf | judd: kernels |
| 19:29.10 | judd | xeon-enouf: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-7); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 19:29.19 | xeon-enouf | enny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); |
| 19:29.30 | spldart | thanks. I'll try it |
| 19:29.32 | Poincare1 | how can I find out what HDD tools I have? |
| 19:29.39 | Poincare1 | to fix my debian installation problem? |
| 19:29.42 | fredl | fucking deadlock, do I want accelerated graphics or gigabit network... |
| 19:29.42 | Poincare1 | Wow, I am a n00b |
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| 19:31.33 | macrobat | Poincare1: i thought they proved your conjecture? |
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| 19:32.11 | Poincare1 | what conjecture? |
| 19:32.14 | Poincare1 | clearing the MBR? |
| 19:32.31 | Poincare1 | I couldn't really follow; all what they talked about was too advanced for me |
| 19:33.08 | themill | Poincare1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar%C3%A9_conjecture |
| 19:33.19 | greycat|home | ah, here we go: |
| 19:33.21 | greycat|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.43 | Poincare1 | oh I see, that conjecture |
| 19:33.51 | ajavid | why would anyone assume that? |
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| 19:34.14 | ajavid | oh nm, noobs I gues |
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| 19:35.42 | Poincare1 | um, so what am I to do about my screwed install? |
| 19:35.51 | Poincare1 | I have system rescue disk running |
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| 19:35.58 | Poincare1 | I am annoying, I know |
| 19:36.10 | ajavid | Poincare1, what did you do and what is the problem? |
| 19:36.24 | greycat|home | waits for the 4-hour recap |
| 19:36.26 | Poincare1 | okay |
| 19:36.26 | ajavid | Poincare1, try 1 long line |
| 19:36.52 | ajavid | greycat|home, you don't have to, employ /ignore |
| 19:37.16 | Poincare1 | I tried to install debian, computer crashed midway after partionting because of overheating, tried installing again, got grub error 18, downloaded and burned system rescue disk, booted, and now I have no idea what to do |
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| 19:37.20 | JyZyXEL | omg there is a imageviewer called pornview |
| 19:37.31 | JyZyXEL | thats gotta be the best |
| 19:37.39 | ajavid | Poincare1, why overheating? |
| 19:37.44 | Poincare1 | there, I posted all my problems on one looong line |
| 19:38.02 | Poincare1 | overheating cause brother disconnected fan |
| 19:38.03 | greycat|home | that was a nice summary. I'm impressed. |
| 19:38.07 | Poincare1 | but that's connected again |
| 19:38.20 | Poincare1 | and its working now |
| 19:38.32 | ajavid | greycat|home, aren't you like 40-50 years old or something... don't you think you should act your age? |
| 19:38.39 | ajavid | greycat|home, whats with all the sarcasm? |
| 19:38.46 | greycat|home | That wasn't sarcastic. |
| 19:38.47 | ajavid | greycat|home, what exactly does that accomplish? |
| 19:38.57 | ajavid | no really, what is your goal here? |
| 19:38.59 | mxweas | How can I set the resolution for ttys? 800x600 is so small. |
| 19:39.03 | abrotman | ajavid: use /ignore if you don't like it |
| 19:39.14 | ajavid | no, how about we all not be dicks in #debian?>" |
| 19:39.19 | ajavid | and not /ignore... |
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| 19:39.20 | abrotman | you start first ... |
| 19:39.23 | Poincare1 | why do the names keep changing color in pidgin? |
| 19:39.26 | greycat|home | ajavid: you're the one flaming me |
| 19:39.29 | Poincare1 | okay irrelavent |
| 19:39.35 | ajavid | greycat|home, I'm confronting you |
| 19:39.49 | Poincare1 | ajavid, could you please solve my problem, you seem to know about it |
| 19:39.50 | abrotman | ajavid: wtf .. he was complementing the guy .. what the heck is your deal ? |
| 19:39.54 | ajavid | greycat|home, do you have nothing better to do than make people feel small on irc? |
| 19:39.54 | greycat|home | I was complimenting his summary, which was way better than the original rambling problem stream. |
| 19:39.57 | ajavid | really? |
| 19:40.44 | ajavid | you and abrotman are excellent at belittlig people here |
| 19:40.49 | ajavid | you guys need to seriously grow up. |
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| 19:41.06 | greycat|home | except for the fact that I didn't belittle anyone yet |
| 19:41.06 | abrotman | ajavid: you jumped down his throat for giving the guy a complement .. your reading comprehension *sucks* |
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| 19:41.18 | ajavid | I have made my point |
| 19:41.24 | abrotman | that you can't read .. good job |
| 19:41.29 | ajavid | say whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts present in years of logs. |
| 19:41.33 | ajavid | have at it. |
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| 19:41.45 | abrotman | ajavid: help the guy you want to help .. |
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| 19:41.54 | abrotman | stop yelling at people for giving compliments .. |
| 19:41.55 | Poincare1 | that would be me |
| 19:42.03 | ajavid | uhuh. |
| 19:42.19 | ajavid | respect and honor. |
| 19:42.25 | abrotman | so much pent up anger ... |
| 19:42.50 | ajavid | so much anti social behaviour... try going out every once a week... socialize with people in real life. |
| 19:43.04 | stew | lets get back on-topic |
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| 19:43.16 | ajavid | done. |
| 19:43.16 | jelly-home | ajavid, you seem to be reading in what's not there this time |
| 19:43.29 | ajavid | jelly-home, follow stew's advice please. |
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| 19:45.14 | Poincare1 | wait, so is anyone going to answer my question? |
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| 19:45.33 | ajavid | not I. I'm a newb and I don't know anything. Sorry. |
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| 19:46.01 | Poincare1 | so, anyone else? |
| 19:46.21 | jelly-home | Poincare1, you could try mounting the current system and reinstalling grub |
| 19:46.22 | abrotman | Poincare1: you tried to reinstall, and it fails? so now you're in a liveCD ? |
| 19:46.27 | JPT | mh |
| 19:46.28 | jelly-home | !grub error 18 |
| 19:46.28 | dpkg | For grub error 18, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml |
| 19:46.41 | stew | if the installer didn't finish, I'd recommen re-installing |
| 19:46.45 | JPT | Poincare1: names change their color when the user writes a message, sent you a message,... |
| 19:46.45 | Poincare1 | that would be correct arbotman |
| 19:46.54 | abrotman | that's a new one |
| 19:47.00 | stew | Poincare1: oh, the installer no longer works? |
| 19:47.04 | JPT | hm? |
| 19:47.05 | JPT | *scrolls* |
| 19:47.06 | abrotman | Poincare1: so why doesn't the installer finish now? |
| 19:47.15 | Poincare1 | it finishes arbrotman |
| 19:47.23 | Poincare1 | but it gives me grub error 18 when i boot up |
| 19:47.30 | abrotman | Poincare1: abrotman is my nick |
| 19:47.36 | abrotman | try abr<tab> |
| 19:47.43 | greycat|home | I second the "mount the installed partition and try to reinstall grub into the MBR" answer |
| 19:48.03 | Poincare1 | how do I mount the installed partition and reinstall grub into the MBR? |
| 19:48.13 | Poincare1 | that's the original question, I was only recapping :) |
| 19:48.26 | murdoc-is-god | I'm trying to figure out what my passwords in /etc/shadow are encrypted as. They don't seem to be MD5 hashes? |
| 19:48.33 | murdoc-is-god | $1$XR0R2PvP$8ktgBH6nvsLZcJeacXqXk. |
| 19:48.41 | murdoc-is-god | Something like that, with $ signs and periods? |
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| 19:48.55 | BackLash|TheFly | starts compiling kernel, gets coffee and cigarette. |
| 19:48.59 | greycat|home | get a shell, figure out what the partition's device name is (/dev/sda1 or something). "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" and "chroot /mnt" and "grub-install '(hd0)'" or something similar. |
| 19:49.01 | abrotman | Poincare1: how many partitions did you make? are you using swraid or dmraid ? |
| 19:49.04 | stew | murdoc-is-god: thats an md5 hash the stuff between $1$ and $ is the salt |
| 19:49.07 | abrotman | BackLash|TheFly: why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 19:49.28 | BackLash|TheFly | abrotman: im developing a server kernel for my game hosting business |
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| 19:49.34 | Poincare1 | lemme check with fdisk -l |
| 19:49.34 | abrotman | okay then ... |
| 19:49.47 | BackLash|TheFly | :) had to change some settings and clean it up a little |
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| 19:49.55 | themill | murdoc-is-god: man 3 crypt has more details on the format |
| 19:50.00 | murdoc-is-god | abrotman: Is the . part of it as well? |
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| 19:50.08 | Poincare1 | alright, I have 3 partitions |
| 19:50.10 | Poincare1 | and |
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| 19:50.24 | greycat|home | murdoc-is-god: everything between :: is the output of crypt(3) |
| 19:50.37 | BackLash|TheFly | im gonna tweak this kernel till it bleeds |
| 19:50.38 | BackLash|TheFly | D: |
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| 19:50.47 | Poincare1 | I just ran "mount /dev/sda1" and it says: |
| 19:50.47 | Poincare1 | can't find /dev/sda1 in etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 19:50.56 | greycat|home | murdoc-is-god: "man 3 crypt" gives details of the format |
| 19:50.58 | freeone3000 | Well, it's not. |
| 19:51.08 | greycat|home | Poincare1: specify a mount point |
| 19:51.13 | freeone3000 | Either define an /etc/fstab entry, or specify where you're mounting it to. |
| 19:51.13 | murdoc-is-god | No manual entry for crypt in section 3 |
| 19:51.19 | greycat|home | murdoc-is-god: apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 19:51.20 | Poincare1 | what do you mean greycat? |
| 19:51.25 | Poincare1 | what's a mount point? |
| 19:51.31 | freeone3000 | Where you want it mounted *at*. |
| 19:51.33 | Poincare1 | can you please show me the command? |
| 19:51.34 | greycat|home | A directory where you mount the device. |
| 19:51.39 | Poincare1 | which would be? |
| 19:51.40 | greycat|home | mkdir /mnt; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 19:51.46 | freeone3000 | Wherever you feel like. |
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| 19:52.25 | Poincare1 | okay, I mounted it, now what? |
| 19:52.32 | chellomere | "It is based on the Data Encryption Standard..." uh huh a custom cipher based on a known weak one??? |
| 19:52.36 | greycat|home | get a shell, figure out what the partition's device name is (/dev/sda1 or something). "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" and "chroot /mnt" and "grub-install '(hd0)'" or something similar. |
| 19:53.16 | freeone3000 | Poincare1: Well, it's mounted. To view the files, cd to the directory you mounted it at. |
| 19:53.21 | abrotman | chellomere: you could argue that in order to read that file, you need elevated privs, and at that point, why not just change the passwd ? |
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| 19:53.31 | Poincare1 | it says |
| 19:53.31 | abrotman | (which is a pretty bad argument) |
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| 19:53.48 | Poincare1 | CHROOT: cannot run command '/bin/zsh': no such file or directory |
| 19:53.52 | Poincare1 | when I tried to run |
| 19:53.54 | Poincare1 | chroot |
| 19:54.01 | greycat|home | then use "chroot /mnt /bin/sh" instead |
| 19:54.02 | chellomere | abrotman, true |
| 19:54.15 | freeone3000 | regular sh? At least bash. |
| 19:54.21 | Poincare1 | got it! |
| 19:54.22 | greycat|home | I want to make sure it works. |
| 19:54.25 | Poincare1 | I love sh |
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| 19:54.30 | freeone3000 | k. |
| 19:54.30 | Poincare1 | i use it on freebsd |
| 19:54.32 | abrotman | freeone3000: it would be whatever valid shell /bin/sh would be pointing at |
| 19:54.37 | Poincare1 | okay |
| 19:54.37 | greycat|home | bash-invoked-as-sh should be fine for what he's doing |
| 19:54.39 | Poincare1 | now, what? |
| 19:55.01 | jelly-home | he'll also need /proc and /dev mounted |
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| 19:55.16 | greycat|home | if he got this far, he must have some of /dev |
| 19:55.36 | xeon-enouf | he could've just did <rescue mode> using debian installation cd |
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| 19:55.45 | chellomere | abrotman, but I guess you're aware of the potential problem with security problems in system components that are allowed to access it |
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| 19:55.58 | abrotman | chellomere: i said it was a bad argument |
| 19:56.13 | spldart | Just finished this debian lenny install a few minutes ago. I can 'ifconfig and see eth0 and ath0 but my gnome network manager doesn't seem to show ath0 as operating. I can't browse networks in the area. Any idea what I forgot? |
| 19:56.17 | themill | chellomere: debian doesn't use DES crypted passwds anyway. MD5 have been the default for a very long time. |
| 19:56.29 | Poincare1 | okay, I did grub install hd0 and it gave mew a basic BASH like console starting with: |
| 19:56.29 | chellomere | themill, ah |
| 19:56.32 | Poincare1 | grub> |
| 19:56.37 | Poincare1 | now what? |
| 19:57.12 | Poincare1 | anyone? |
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| 19:58.05 | Poincare1 | um greycat? |
| 19:58.10 | Poincare1 | can you still help? |
| 19:58.14 | chellomere | themill, how do I check whether a system uses crypt() or md5 sums for shadow passwords? |
| 19:58.25 | BackLash|TheFly | zzZZzzzz |
| 19:58.26 | greycat|home | chellomere: they ALL use crypt(3). |
| 19:58.38 | greycat|home | crypt() will give you DES hashes or MD5 hashes, whichever you ask for |
| 19:58.40 | Poincare1 | greycat, can you still help me? |
| 19:58.47 | chellomere | greycat|home, ah |
| 19:58.48 | themill | chellomere: if it's full of $1$ like that, then they are md5 hashes. They will all be using crypt(3). Check the man page |
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| 20:00.14 | chellomere | themill, ah, righto, thanks |
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| 20:00.22 | Poincare1 | will anyone PLEASE help me furthere? |
| 20:00.26 | Poincare1 | I'm stuck midway |
| 20:00.56 | greycat|home | perhaps nobody here knows what to do if grub-install '(hd0)' drops you to an interactive mode. |
| 20:01.14 | Poincare1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.16 | Poincare1 | oh yeah |
| 20:01.18 | greycat|home | you could try #grub |
| 20:01.25 | Poincare1 | I never added perantheses |
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| 20:01.32 | Poincare1 | would thatmake a difference? |
| 20:01.36 | greycat|home | I don't know. |
| 20:01.41 | greycat|home | I don't reinstall grub on a regular basis. |
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| 20:02.27 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 20:02.35 | xeon-enouf | easilygoogleable |
| 20:02.45 | eshat | I think I habe no beep on my notebook, is there a way to test it ? printf "\a" or pressing tab has no effect. I also unmutet beep in alsa-mixer. |
| 20:03.18 | freeone3000 | Okay. Your computer does not beep. It may be lacking an internal speaker. No big. |
| 20:03.30 | simonrvn | though it seems newer pam installs accept sha512 or sha1 or something.. i'll have to rtfm to make sure |
| 20:04.04 | Poincare1 | okay, for the link xeon sent me, it gives me an error for the first command, Error 21: Selected disk does not exist |
| 20:04.06 | hark | Poincare1: it's grub-install not grub install |
| 20:04.13 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: basically just; root (hd0,0) ; find /boot/grub/stage1 ; setup (hd0) |
| 20:04.37 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: so how many HDDs are there installed? |
| 20:04.52 | Poincare1 | There are 3 partitions, one hard drive |
| 20:04.57 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: it means grub isn't installed - atleast not where you looked |
| 20:05.01 | BackLash|TheFly | this isnt even the first compile job im gonna have to do lol this is just a test of settings next comes removing unnecessary support (there goes my music) :( |
| 20:05.08 | xeon-enouf | so do what i said then |
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| 20:05.32 | Poincare1 | alright, I did grub-install hd0 and it says /dev/sda1: Not found or not a block device |
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| 20:06.06 | xeon-enouf | you were at the grub shell, not grub-install |
| 20:06.38 | Poincare1 | I exited out of the grub shell |
| 20:06.48 | Poincare1 | and then executed grub-install |
| 20:06.53 | xeon-enouf | go back in |
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| 20:07.30 | Poincare1 | okay |
| 20:07.48 | Poincare1 | I did go back into grub |
| 20:07.50 | Poincare1 | now what? |
| 20:08.20 | Poincare1 | anyone? |
| 20:08.22 | xeon-enouf | eshat: is snd_pcsp loaded? |
| 20:08.30 | xeon-enouf | !beep |
| 20:08.30 | dpkg | it has been said that beep is echo -ne '\a'. A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ask me about <bell>. |
| 20:08.38 | xeon-enouf | !bell |
| 20:08.38 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module. Also ask me about <shell beep>. |
| 20:09.08 | xeon-enouf | eshat: see above |
| 20:09.24 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: you are dense |
| 20:09.25 | eshat | xeon-enouf: snd_hda_intel and pcspkr is loaded |
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| 20:09.30 | Poincare1 | Yes I am dense IMO |
| 20:09.32 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: 19:55 < xeon-enouf> Poincare1: basically just; root (hd0,0) ; find /boot/grub/stage1 ; setup (hd0) |
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| 20:09.53 | xeon-enouf | eshat: no snd_pcsp |
| 20:09.59 | xeon-enouf | is the alsa one |
| 20:09.59 | Poincare1 | root (hd0,0) does not work; find /boot/grub/stage1/ gives file not found |
| 20:10.03 | Poincare1 | what now? |
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| 20:10.13 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: continue |
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| 20:10.22 | eshat | xeon-enouf: I just loaded, but still nothing when pressing tab |
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| 20:10.28 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: setup ... |
| 20:10.45 | Poincare1 | setup returns invalid device requested |
| 20:11.10 | xeon-enouf | eshat: echo -e '\a' |
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| 20:11.15 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:11.27 | eshat | xeon-enouf: nothing :( |
| 20:11.36 | xeon-enouf | xset b on? |
| 20:11.43 | eshat | I use snd_hda_intel if that helps |
| 20:12.03 | eshat | xeon-enouf: still nothing |
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| 20:12.25 | Poincare1 | xeon, can you please help me? |
| 20:12.33 | Poincare1 | I have at this since the last 5 hours |
| 20:12.34 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: root (hd[TAB] |
| 20:12.39 | xeon-enouf | exactly that |
| 20:13.15 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: or even "setup (hd[TAB]" where [TAB] == tab key |
| 20:13.35 | Poincare1 | okay |
| 20:13.53 | Poincare1 | I did root (hd[TAB] and it shoots root(hd right back |
| 20:14.05 | zrin | pvremove /dev/md1 : "Can't open /dev/md1 exclusively - not removing. Mounted filesystem?" ... but lsof | grep dev/md1 gives nothing - is it possible to find out what is "using" /dev/md1? |
| 20:14.09 | xeon-enouf | you have no HDD :-P |
| 20:14.17 | bluejay_ | i just installed fresh stable release and set up wireless connection, but somehow i can't ping any actual domains. i can ping with IP addresses though |
| 20:14.22 | Poincare1 | wth? |
| 20:14.28 | Poincare1 | why is this doing this to me? |
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| 20:14.46 | bluejay_ | how can i fix this dns issue? |
| 20:14.57 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: exit the chroot, and just mount your / FS from within the sysresccd boot ... ,l |
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| 20:15.11 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: type exit |
| 20:15.18 | Poincare1 | okay |
| 20:15.27 | Poincare1 | in grub right? |
| 20:15.31 | Poincare1 | well it says |
| 20:15.36 | Poincare1 | unrecognized command |
| 20:15.40 | xeon-enouf | mkdir /mnt/point ; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/point ; grub |
| 20:16.03 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: no, first exit grub shell - sorry |
| 20:16.18 | xeon-enouf | quit, i suppose |
| 20:16.21 | xeon-enouf | then exit |
| 20:16.32 | Poincare1 | okay |
| 20:16.35 | Poincare1 | I'll do that |
| 20:17.08 | xeon-enouf | zrin: anything could be, even your net |
| 20:17.14 | hark | eshat: you must be on squeeze/sid, make sure Beep is not muted in alsamixer |
| 20:17.23 | xeon-enouf | bluejay_: that's a DNS issue |
| 20:17.28 | Poincare1 | okay, now I'm in grub again |
| 20:17.30 | Poincare1 | now what? |
| 20:17.45 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: pastebin output of 'mount' |
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| 20:17.47 | greycat|home | bluejay_: check your /etc/resolv.conf file? |
| 20:17.57 | Poincare1 | okay |
| 20:18.12 | bluejay_ | greycat|home: oh wow, i just realized i didn't even have resolv.conf |
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| 20:18.22 | zrin | xeon-enouf: can I do anything about it? |
| 20:18.29 | bluejay_ | i guess i'll have to add "nameserver 192.168.1.1" in there? |
| 20:18.55 | Poincare1 | I typed in root(hd0,0) and it returns Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type is 0x83 |
| 20:18.55 | zrin | xeon-enouf: I'd like to stop and restructure this md1 |
| 20:18.55 | Poincare1 | and should I continue? |
| 20:18.55 | Poincare1 | with comnmands? |
| 20:18.56 | xeon-enouf | zrin: boot into single mode, log in as root. kill net if needed |
| 20:19.19 | Poincare1 | okay there, its done with setup! |
| 20:19.23 | Poincare1 | should I reboot? |
| 20:19.33 | zrin | xeon-enouf: you mean kill md1_raid1? |
| 20:19.52 | Poincare1 | should I reboot, xeon? |
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| 20:20.32 | Poincare1 | xeon? |
| 20:20.40 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: well - now, check if you need to alter /etc/fstab or menu.lst |
| 20:20.50 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: stop being pushy - patience! |
| 20:20.50 | Poincare1 | how do I check? |
| 20:20.55 | zrin | xeon-enouf: I see, kill net ... but I'm remote ... ssh/vnc |
| 20:20.56 | Poincare1 | sorry xeon |
| 20:21.09 | xeon-enouf | zrin: well, then that's not an option ;-) |
| 20:21.41 | Gokee2 | Hello all, I got a sim card reader that said it supported RedHat and Fedora so I was expecting it to be able to plug in and work... However I can't seem to make it do anything. The reader http://www.thecellguru.com/Products/12405 registers itself with idVendor=14cd, idProduct=6700 and I get "scsi 11:0:0:0: Direct-Access USB 2.0 SD/MMC Reader " and it also says "sd 11:0:0:0: [sdd] Attached SCSI removable disk". pcsc_scan never seems t |
| 20:21.44 | xeon-enouf | zrin: it's just i found i couldn't remount my rootfs ro without killing dhcpd-bin |
| 20:21.47 | Gokee2 | o give me any output. Any idea's on what to try next? Thanks |
| 20:22.03 | zrin | xeon-enouf: I had a pv on md1, moved it away with pvmove / vgreduce |
| 20:22.53 | bluejay_ | i installed wireless-tools as root, but i can't use it as a normal user. do i have to remove it and reinstall it as a normal user? |
| 20:23.03 | zrin | xeon-enouf: ok, I'll stop dhcpd then :) |
| 20:23.04 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: pastebin cat /mnt/point/etc/fstab and cat /mnt/point/boot/grub/menu.lst and /device.map |
| 20:23.21 | hark | bluejay_: how would you install it as a normal user? |
| 20:23.23 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: device.map is in /mnt/point/boot/grub/ |
| 20:23.24 | Ben_90 | stop hacking your phone Gokee2 , it is illegal |
| 20:23.36 | hark | bluejay_: what does not work as a normal user? |
| 20:23.39 | zrin | xeon-enouf: nope, it isn't dhcpd |
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| 20:23.50 | xeon-enouf | zrin: well .. for me, it brings down my eth0 ;-) |
| 20:23.56 | xeon-enouf | goos |
| 20:23.58 | bluejay_ | hark: all the binaries from the package are in /sbin, so i can't use any of them as a normal user |
| 20:23.59 | xeon-enouf | good* |
| 20:24.00 | zrin | xeon-enouf: is there something "better" than lsof? |
| 20:24.10 | xeon-enouf | zrin: not really |
| 20:24.10 | hark | bluejay_: sure you can |
| 20:24.18 | zrin | man lsof |
| 20:24.20 | xeon-enouf | just need the right grep i guess :-) |
| 20:24.22 | bluejay_ | hark: without sudo? |
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| 20:24.26 | Poincare1 | well okay xeon, but what do I check for? |
| 20:24.33 | hark | bluejay_: '/sbin/iwconfig' for example |
| 20:24.39 | Gokee2 | Ben_90, Hmm, its not illegal to copy some contacts from a ols sim card to a new sim card. |
| 20:24.42 | xeon-enouf | zrin: maybe iotop or smething, like inotify |
| 20:24.46 | bluejay_ | hark: yeah but i'd rather just type "iw <tab>" :S |
| 20:24.56 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: i'm going to check it |
| 20:25.00 | Poincare1 | i see |
| 20:25.02 | bluejay_ | i'm just wondering why it didn't get installed(or at least copy symlinks) in /usr/sbin |
| 20:25.11 | Poincare1 | so how do I tell you what's on it? |
| 20:25.23 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: also pastebin of entire 'dmesg' would help |
| 20:25.35 | xeon-enouf | !paste |
| 20:25.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 20:25.39 | redstick | is Dillo not in the default sources.list ? theres a few things that dont seem to be .. should i enable unstable or testing or something? |
| 20:25.42 | Ben_90 | my bad Gokee2. |
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| 20:26.17 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions dillo |
| 20:26.17 | judd | xeon-enouf: dillo -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1 sid: 0.8.6-3 |
| 20:26.28 | xeon-enouf | redstick: it's only in Sid, since lenny |
| 20:26.29 | bluejay_ | hark: i'm new to debian, but on arch linux, i didn't have to use sudo for wireless-tools binaries. |
| 20:26.40 | xeon-enouf | redstick: isn't it a rewrite? |
| 20:26.56 | xeon-enouf | redstick: yuo could make your own backport perhaps, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:27.18 | redstick | maybe i got too used to ubuntu |
| 20:27.24 | themill | redstick: dillo was removed from lenny and still isn't in testing because of horrible bugs in it. Check its bug page. |
| 20:27.32 | redstick | used to being able to just put a couple repos in and go with it |
| 20:27.37 | xeon-enouf | bluejay_: /sbin isn't in your PATH - but not sure of the perms set |
| 20:27.56 | Poincare1 | alright, here it is xeon: |
| 20:27.56 | Poincare1 | UUID=(something) ext3 relatime, error |
| 20:27.56 | Poincare1 | UUID=(something) none swap sw |
| 20:27.58 | redstick | i need a really small browser |
| 20:28.11 | clarjon1 | redstick: lynx? ;) |
| 20:28.13 | xeon-enouf | bluejay_: IOW, putting /sbin:/usr/sbin in PATH will allow you to read ifconfig output, but not make changes |
| 20:28.29 | xeon-enouf | using just 'ifc<tab>' |
| 20:28.31 | themill | redstick: If you decide the bugs in dillo don't worry you, then you can recompile it for lenny. /msg dpkg ssb. |
| 20:28.40 | xeon-enouf | orwhatever you alias it to if you want |
| 20:28.51 | bluejay_ | xeon-enouf: oh, where is tihs "PATH" file? |
| 20:29.05 | bluejay_ | oh wait, the environment variable? |
| 20:29.09 | xeon-enouf | themill: you looked to see it's not ..oh duh .. it would;ve shown lennuy-backports - heh |
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| 20:29.18 | Ben_90 | can someone please PM me? |
| 20:29.19 | xeon-enouf | bluejay_: yes |
| 20:29.22 | bluejay_ | ah k |
| 20:29.24 | xeon-enouf | echo $PATH |
| 20:29.39 | Poincare1 | um, xeon? I sent you the output for the file you asked for: |
| 20:29.39 | Poincare1 | UUID=(something) ext3 relatime, error |
| 20:29.39 | Poincare1 | UUID=(something) none swap sw |
| 20:29.49 | xeon-enouf | bluejay_: alter it your ~/.shellrc-file , typically .bashrc |
| 20:29.55 | Ben_90 | i need help |
| 20:30.14 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: oh ..where's the pastebin? |
| 20:30.17 | bluejay_ | xeon-enouf: ah thanks |
| 20:30.47 | Poincare1 | wait, what's pastebin? Oh that paste.debian.net thing? IT won't work with the equal signs and all |
| 20:31.04 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: what? |
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| 20:31.20 | themill | xeon-enouf: it would be pretty unusual to find a package on backports.org if it's sufficiently buggy to be kept out of testing |
| 20:31.26 | clarjon1 | Poincare1: try debian.pastebin.com |
| 20:31.36 | xeon-enouf | bluejay_: like export PATH="$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin" |
| 20:31.52 | xeon-enouf | or just www.pastebin.com |
| 20:31.55 | bluejay_ | xeon-enouf: is there a way to *append* something to environment variable? |
| 20:32.06 | xeon-enouf | i just showed you bluejay_ |
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| 20:32.14 | clarjon1 | xeon-enouf: adding debian to it ot make it a private pastebin makes it sound more 'official' lol |
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| 20:32.40 | Poincare1 | oh, here's the link to the paste bin xeon: http://debian.pastebin.com/m6ca3d713 |
| 20:32.46 | bluejay_ | xeon-enouf: sorry didn't see "$PATH" part there :) |
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| 20:33.10 | Raydiation | hm im getting this on my server: php5-mysql: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3) but 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3ubuntu4 is to be installed |
| 20:33.10 | Raydiation | E: Broken packages |
| 20:33.26 | Raydiation | ubuntu deps in lenny? |
| 20:33.48 | themill | Raydiation: no, ubuntu packages installed in lenny.... bad Raydiation. |
| 20:33.49 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: what is that? |
| 20:33.59 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: show the commands you ran in the pastes |
| 20:34.02 | jelly-home | themill, no, depends are like that |
| 20:34.07 | Raydiation | themill: hm i cant remember doing this |
| 20:34.15 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: it looks like part of a /etc/fstab |
| 20:34.34 | themill | Raydiation: perhaps pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 20:34.37 | xeon-enouf | for you though it's /mnt/point/etc/fstab |
| 20:35.05 | Poincare1 | http://debian.pastebin.com/m49f79f59 |
| 20:35.30 | Raydiation | themill: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/140575/ |
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| 20:35.46 | tomoty__ | Looking for an app/command/shortcut that will auto resize all open windows within gnome to fit screen so they are all visible. Any suggestions? |
| 20:35.51 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: there is no '/' in your line; UUID=(something) ext3 relatime, error ? |
| 20:36.01 | xeon-enouf | and no 0 and 0 / |
| 20:36.03 | xeon-enouf | ? |
| 20:36.05 | Poincare1 | xeon, here's the link: http://debian.pastebin.com/m49f79f59 |
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| 20:36.14 | xeon-enouf | i saw it |
| 20:36.21 | Raydiation | themill: my friend says he install ubuntu package of sun jdk 6 |
| 20:37.13 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: does 'blkid /dev/sda1' show the UUID listed in your /mnt/point/etc/fstab ? |
| 20:37.33 | themill | Raydiation: :( and a few other ubuntu packages, it would seem. Can you pastebin the output of: aptitude search ~o -F"%p%30v" |
| 20:37.34 | Poincare1 | yes, there is a "/" after the UID |
| 20:37.57 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: and which Fan was disconnected by your brother? i hope not the CPU HSF |
| 20:38.09 | tomoty__ | ? |
| 20:38.12 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: so why isn't it showing in your paste? |
| 20:38.26 | Poincare1 | well, there is a comment that says was on /dev/sda1 during installation |
| 20:38.33 | Raydiation | themill: hm, wtf mysql-server-core-5.0 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10 |
| 20:38.35 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: are you typing shit out? lmao |
| 20:38.42 | Poincare1 | yes I am typing it out |
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| 20:38.54 | Poincare1 | see, the stuff is on the other computer, so I can't paste it |
| 20:39.03 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: well .. now i get it ... ugh .. /msg dpkg pastebin pipe |
| 20:39.05 | Raydiation | themill: ty for your help |
| 20:39.10 | xeon-enouf | oh |
| 20:39.38 | AruNatsu | why does the command "sudo apt-get install network-manager" automatically installs all these gnome packages? how can i install just the daemon? |
| 20:39.50 | Poincare1 | wait do I type that in? the whole /msg thing? |
| 20:39.58 | themill | Raydiation: have a look at the output of that aptitude search and any packages that are from ubuntu you should remove and install the debian version instead. |
| 20:40.14 | Raydiation | themill: seems my friend messed up a bit :) |
| 20:40.21 | Raydiation | its the only package except jdk |
| 20:40.48 | Poincare1 | xeon: do I type in the whole message thing? |
| 20:40.52 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: then check what i said, as best you can, google if needed about the #groot= and #kopt=root= lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst, and you want atleast also this line at the top of /etc/fstab; proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 20:41.07 | themill | Raydiation: even the jdk you should install from the debian packages. sun-java6-jdk is in debian non-free too. |
| 20:41.13 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: then umount /mnt/point , and restart normally |
| 20:41.21 | Raydiation | themill: yes i know |
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| 20:41.34 | hark | AruNatsu: don't install recommends |
| 20:42.18 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: make sure your root, kernel and initrd lines in the Stanzas in menu.lst are correct as well |
| 20:42.37 | hark | AruNatsu: but you need either network-manager-gnome or -kde to use it |
| 20:43.23 | AruNatsu | hark: how can i tell apt-get not to install recommended ones? |
| 20:43.34 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: http://debian.pastebin.com/m6c16b8eb is a typical Stanza, butyours will have root=UUID-string-here |
| 20:43.42 | hark | AruNatsu: aptitude install -R network-manager |
| 20:44.04 | AruNatsu | hark: thanks |
| 20:44.39 | Raydiation | any idea where the locales file is stored in debian? i get this when installing stuff http://paste.pocoo.org/show/140578/ |
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| 20:45.35 | themill | dpkg: tell Raydiation about locales |
| 20:46.16 | xeon-enouf | AruNatsu: ifyou prefer apt, add this APT::Install-Recommends "false"; to say /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-recommends which you create |
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| 20:46.55 | AruNatsu | xeon-enouf: ahh thanks! |
| 20:47.26 | AruNatsu | using a new package manager is confusing x_x |
| 20:47.36 | hark | AruNatsu: how are you going to configure network-manager? |
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| 20:49.32 | AruNatsu | hark: i'm just going to copy my laptop's configuration and see what happens |
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| 20:50.17 | fredl | how do I disable a module from loading in a stock kernel image? |
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| 20:50.32 | chellomere | !tell fredl about blacklist |
| 20:50.53 | fredl | tnx chellomere |
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| 20:52.19 | fredl | !ask blacklist-initramfs |
| 20:52.35 | abrotman | fredl: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
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| 20:53.15 | dlynes | Is there a way to remove an installed package, and tell it not to take all of its dependencies with it? |
| 20:53.57 | patrikf | dlynes: manually mark its dependencies as not-automatically-installed |
| 20:53.59 | dlynes | I want to install libtidy-0.99-0, so that certain cpan libraries aren't depending on the buggy libtidy library |
| 20:54.20 | dlynes | patrikf: ok...this might sound like a stupid question, but how do I do that? |
| 20:55.06 | dlynes | patrikf: i'm guessing it's something i need to do /etc/apt/apt.conf.d? |
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| 20:55.37 | patrikf | dlynes: nah. I'd just go into aptitude, look at the dependencies and mark them as manually-installed with "m" |
| 20:56.01 | patrikf | although generally, marking *all* dependencies of some package as not-to-be-removed is a weird thing to do I think |
| 20:56.18 | dlynes | patrikf: I just want to do it temporarily |
| 20:56.33 | patrikf | mh |
| 20:56.52 | dlynes | patrikf: just so I can run off some perl code that depends on certain cpan libraries for converting html to pdf |
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| 20:56.55 | xeon-enouf | dlynes: everything installed with apt is marked manual, if you installed using apt-get install - there's apt-mark to flip that option |
| 20:56.56 | patrikf | what's wrong with having all the packages removed and added later again? |
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| 20:57.26 | dlynes | patrikf: in case I forget to reinstall them :) |
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| 20:57.28 | ozuux | there is a program in Debian that you can run non daemon programs as daemons, any body remember? |
| 20:57.35 | xeon-enouf | dlynes: there's also debfoster and deborphan, and apt-get autoclean ...etc |
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| 20:58.40 | Poincare1 | hey xeon, I edited kopt and groot and its still giving me an error (i used the following to edit kopt and groot: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto) |
| 20:59.37 | enmerkar_ | ozuux: what do you mean? |
| 20:59.43 | Poincare1 | xeon? |
| 20:59.45 | enmerkar_ | ozuux: screen, nohup? |
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| 21:02.56 | dlynes | patrikf: if you do mark it 'm', where does the 'm' show up in aptitude so that you know it got marked? pressing 'm' for me doesn't seem to do anything |
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| 21:03.21 | patrikf | dlynes: the big "A" in the status flag display disappears |
| 21:03.37 | racecar56 | what package do i install to make useful knotify crash backtraces? |
| 21:03.38 | patrikf | (if it wasn't there to begin with, then the package was always marked as "manually installed") |
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| 21:03.41 | ozuux | enmerkar_, nope, there is program that you can run it with some options and make your program run correctly in init and as daemon, some services in debian are handeling with that program and I can't remember the name! |
| 21:03.47 | jarlg | I just installed debian, without a DE. I've preceeded to install xfce4, but when I perform "startxfce4", the screen just goes black. Any ideas as to what is wrong? |
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| 21:04.10 | racecar56 | i installed every single package that shows up with aptitude search dbg | grep kde but it still doesn't make a 3-star or even a 2-star report |
| 21:04.11 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: try xeon[tab][tab] |
| 21:04.25 | dlynes | patrikf: ok, and if I remove the 'A' on kate-plugins, then I do apt-get remove libtidy-0.99-0, it won't ask me to remove kate-plugins as well? |
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| 21:04.51 | xeon-enouf | Poincare1: and how is it not working |
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| 21:05.26 | lantizia | Hey, I'm about to reinstall my games/multimedia box and lenny is getting on a bit... so I was thinking of squeeze |
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| 21:05.56 | lantizia | is squeeze advisable to use for daily productivity use (well ok games, video, music, my entertainment) or should I opt for ubuntu/mint etc? |
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| 21:06.50 | chomwitt | hi. my adsl gateway doenst seem to support static ip reservation but my debian dhcp client seems to have a fixed-address directive. will it work? |
| 21:06.55 | simonrvn | squeeze would be ok for a desktop yes... but be aware some thing might break |
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| 21:07.12 | lantizia | simonrvn: like it'll randomly have dependancy issues? |
| 21:07.18 | lantizia | or less servere ? |
| 21:07.24 | racecar56 | lantizia: nautilus on squeeze crashes at the preference window, if you use gnome that's a problem |
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| 21:07.30 | simonrvn | depends |
| 21:07.32 | lantizia | racecar56: was thinking LXDE |
| 21:07.41 | racecar56 | lantizia: k |
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| 21:07.48 | simonrvn | oh, that'll work fine |
| 21:08.07 | lantizia | it's a toss up between the Alpha Lubuntu or squeeze lxde |
| 21:08.50 | neutrino | hi, i am new to linux, i have installed ntfs-3g and libntfs packages but i still couldn't access the ntfs filesystems of my harddrive,i get error message displayed as "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume." |
| 21:09.15 | simonrvn | um, the error is obvious |
| 21:09.28 | simonrvn | correct the mount option and all will be well |
| 21:09.37 | mick_laptop | simonrvn: he said he is new ;) |
| 21:09.51 | greycat|home | what mount option(s) did you try to use? |
| 21:09.56 | jarlg | I just installed debian, without a DE. I've preceeded to install xfce4, but when I perform "startxfce4", the screen just goes black. Any ideas as to what is wrong? |
| 21:09.59 | simonrvn | that's why i went into more detail ;) |
| 21:10.12 | abrotman | jarlg: did you 'aptitude install xorg' ? |
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| 21:10.23 | jarlg | abrotman: Yes |
| 21:10.23 | mick_laptop | jarlg: check the X logs, could be a number of things |
| 21:10.23 | greycat|home | he probably needs to configure X by hand. |
| 21:10.27 | neutrino | i just double clicked the volume drive.. |
| 21:10.38 | jarlg | mick_laptop: where are these located? |
| 21:10.43 | ozuux | enmerkar_, start-stop-daemon that's the program :) |
| 21:10.44 | greycat|home | I'm guessing "LCD display that only does XxY but X.org tried to do something higher" |
| 21:11.08 | greycat|home | jarlg: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:11.23 | greycat|home | but it's huge, so... try not to get overwhelmed |
| 21:11.30 | xeon-enouf | neutrino: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g ; /msg dpkg ntfsrw ; /msg dpkg automount |
| 21:12.02 | jarlg | greycat:home, okay. Are there any typical mistakes I might've done? |
| 21:12.04 | mick_laptop | jarlg: use ctrl+alt+F* to go to another terminal and go back to the X session w/ ctrl+alt+f7.... logs are in /var/log |
| 21:12.30 | greycat|home | jarlg: I'm standing by my initial guess until proven wrong |
| 21:12.44 | jarlg | Okay |
| 21:13.24 | jarlg | greycat:home, where would I be able to set the initial resoluion? |
| 21:13.57 | greycat|home | The way I did it was to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand, but a lenny install gives you, like, a bare-bones xorg.conf with NO relevant examples at all. So it's hard. |
| 21:13.59 | neutrino | xeon-enouf, i have installed donwloaded the .deb packages of ntfs-3g, and libntfs-3g31_1.2531-1.1_i386 and installed it as "dpkg -i packagenname" , the drives are shown but i am not able to mount it |
| 21:14.23 | AruNatsu | does anyone here use tiling WM on debian? |
| 21:14.36 | jarlg | greycat:home, would Xorg -configure help? |
| 21:15.00 | murdoc-is-god | Why does Debian's john the ripper package not support brute forcing raw MD5 hashes? |
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| 21:15.57 | mick_laptop | or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:16.05 | greycat|home | jarlg: I don't know what all the choices are. You can try it. |
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| 21:16.09 | xeon-enouf | neutrino: did you install all the depends too? |
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| 21:16.20 | xeon-enouf | 'apt-get install -f' |
| 21:16.21 | mick_laptop | murdoc-is-god: why not use rainbow tables? |
| 21:16.24 | stuckey | How does one view code? If you've the tarball, how do you view what the programer actually wrote? |
| 21:16.26 | greycat|home | jarlg: remember, I'm still in "guessing what the problem is" mode. It might be something other than what I ran into. |
| 21:16.39 | murdoc-is-god | mick_laptop: Does Ophcrack support MD5 hashes? |
| 21:16.42 | greycat|home | stuckey: extract the tarball and read the files |
| 21:17.00 | mick_laptop | stuckey: tar -xvf tarball.tar, then look in the folder that is created |
| 21:17.12 | murdoc-is-god | mick_laptop: I'm not sure what software to use. |
| 21:17.13 | stuckey | I just cat the files or what? |
| 21:17.15 | greycat|home | pray that it creates a folder. |
| 21:17.18 | freeone3000 | How do I find out what eth* my separate cards are in? I attempted adding an "iface eth1 inet dhcp" for a connected adapter, but it refueses to recognize it. |
| 21:17.21 | xeon-enouf | add a z if also gzipped |
| 21:17.24 | greycat|home | stuckey: less or more or your favorite editor |
| 21:17.44 | neutrino | xeon-enouf, These are the packages i have installed. "libntfs-3g31_1.2531-1.1_i386.deb and ntfs-3g_1.2531-1.1_i386" |
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| 21:18.07 | xeon-enouf | stuckey: update-alternatives --config pager to set default pager (less,more,pager, etc) |
| 21:18.12 | stuckey | I think I will learn a few things about C... just see if I have an interest in it. |
| 21:18.19 | xeon-enouf | neutrino: from where? |
| 21:18.24 | stuckey | I wanted to see what it looks like first. |
| 21:18.26 | greycat|home | reading random source code is probably not the best way to learn C |
| 21:18.30 | praseodym | why does installing drupal6 try to pull in apache2, while the package only depends on the virtual package httpd (from which I do have a package installed) |
| 21:18.33 | mick_laptop | murdoc-is-god: Ophcrack did the original rainbow tables "research" |
| 21:18.51 | stuckey | greycat|home: Do you know of a good beginners guide/tutorial/intro? |
| 21:18.58 | xeon-enouf | neutrino: why not apt-get install <whatever> .. it;s not in Debian? we have ntfsmount? |
| 21:19.02 | greycat|home | stuckey: ask ##c |
| 21:19.05 | mick_laptop | murdoc-is-god: my point is, why use brute force -- it will take too long |
| 21:19.10 | xeon-enouf | neutrino: you need FUSE too, IINM |
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| 21:19.22 | mick_laptop | stuckey: what do you want to learn to do? |
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| 21:19.37 | neutrino | it was provided to me by my friend, my internet connection in a bit slow. |
| 21:19.51 | neutrino | xeon-enouf, ok i will give it a try |
| 21:19.59 | stuckey | mick_laptop: Nothing now, but I'd like to see if I might have an interest in it, just as a hobby. |
| 21:20.03 | murdoc-is-god | mick_laptop: I don't know of a program that uses rainbow tables that can decrypt raw MD5 hashes |
| 21:20.24 | stuckey | Though I could see, if I took an interest to it, I'd probably be intereseted in contributing to game projects. |
| 21:20.40 | mick_laptop | murdoc-is-god: i have a feeling that you don't know what you are talking about... ;) |
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| 21:21.25 | tomoty__ | trying to restore a tape backup, dd sees the raw data but will not read files |
| 21:21.31 | tomoty__ | mt -f /dev/st0 retension gives me an error even |
| 21:21.35 | racecar56 | what package do i install to make a valid backtrace for knotify? i installed every single package that shows up with aptitude search dbg | grep kde |
| 21:21.36 | tomoty__ | if i cat the device i can see like 1 line of text then i get an I/O error |
| 21:21.42 | tomoty__ | my backup software won't restore the tape |
| 21:21.47 | tomoty__ | but i'm hoping linux will be a little more flexible |
| 21:21.54 | murdoc-is-god | mick_laptop: Wikipedia says: "Rainbow tables are specific to the hash function they were created for e.g., MD5 tables can crack only MD5 hashes" |
| 21:21.55 | tomoty__ | and ignore the bad info/header |
| 21:21.55 | freeone3000 | Broken tape? |
| 21:21.55 | mick_laptop | stuckey: you can do this, if you are interested in game development -- find an open source first person shooter that you might like (say: AssaultCube) and read the code |
| 21:22.01 | tomoty__ | not familiar with newer tape hardwre... can you get the entire contents of the tape as a file elsewhere? |
| 21:22.14 | murdoc-is-god | mick_laptop: According to that, I'd need MD5-specific tables and an application which supports them. |
| 21:22.17 | mick_laptop | when people quote wikipedia, i stop listening |
| 21:22.23 | freeone3000 | murdoc-is-god: Yes. Yes you would. |
| 21:22.25 | greycat|home | tomoty__: you have some sort of hardware problem here, either the tape or the drive or both |
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| 21:22.31 | freeone3000 | murdoc-is-god: And not just MD5-specific - the specific MD5 implementation-specific. |
| 21:22.34 | murdoc-is-god | As far as I know, Ophcrack only support Windows password hashes. |
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| 21:22.52 | greycat|home | tomoty__: you can try putting a cleaning tape in the drive, but I would guess that won't fix it |
| 21:23.03 | murdoc-is-god | mick_laptop: Don't be a dick. I went to Wikipedia to try and educate myself about Rainbow Tables and find out which software I should be using for MD5 hashes. |
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| 21:23.07 | xeon-enouf | racecar56: you want/need -dbg packages perhaps? try a kde channel - or is knotify kernel related? |
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| 21:23.21 | greycat|home | murdoc-is-god: "openssl md5" would be a decent start..? |
| 21:23.29 | freeone3000 | murdoc-is-god: Basically, it's a reverse mapping built from hasing a lot of crap together. A rainbow table is a mapping of text->hash. You give it hash, it checks column 2 until it finds a match, then it give syou column 1 - text that produces the same hash. |
| 21:23.32 | murdoc-is-god | If you know of an application which can handle Rainbow Tables for MD5 hashes I'd appreciate that. |
| 21:23.33 | mick_laptop | murdoc-is-god: sorry, i had a manager that used to quote wikipedia w/ everything. it just annoys me (nothing personal) |
| 21:23.34 | greycat|home | murdoc-is-god: there's also md5sum of course |
| 21:23.44 | freeone3000 | Fsk, it takes like five minutes to write one. |
| 21:23.45 | murdoc-is-god | mick_laptop: Ah, psychology. |
| 21:24.04 | murdoc-is-god | greycat|home: I already have an MD5 hash. I want to crack it. |
| 21:24.06 | freeone3000 | Less if you use a programming language instead of bash scripting. |
| 21:24.08 | mick_laptop | when he started his daily meetings w/ something he read about programming |
| 21:24.15 | greycat|home | And so you came to #debian? HAHAHA. |
| 21:24.23 | freeone3000 | murdoc-is-god: Okay. The basic approach is to hash every possible combination of letters and numbers until you find one that matches. |
| 21:24.27 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: youre not going to crack it anyway |
| 21:24.31 | murdoc-is-god | greycat|home: Humm, better option? |
| 21:24.33 | tomoty__ | greycat|home: what do you suggest I do? |
| 21:24.34 | freeone3000 | murdoc-is-god: Shouldn't take less than an hour or so, unless it's seeded. |
| 21:24.40 | mick_laptop | he had one for "office stress" and i nearly lost it |
| 21:24.57 | murdoc-is-god | freeone3000: That sounds nice, but what software should I use? |
| 21:25.00 | greycat|home | tomoty__: try the cleaning tape, but it probably won't work. Try another tape drive if possible. Hand the tape over to a professional data recovery company. |
| 21:25.05 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: Why do you say that? |
| 21:25.11 | freeone3000 | murdoc-is-god: md5sum works great. |
| 21:25.22 | mick_laptop | murdoc-is-god: there is no "raw MD5 hash" you just have salted and unsalted MD5 hashes |
| 21:25.34 | murdoc-is-god | freeone3000: Wait. A rainbow table is ineffective against one-way hashes that include salts. |
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| 21:25.38 | greycat|home | Well, an md5 hash could be represented in hexadecimal or base64. |
| 21:25.39 | tomoty__ | thanks |
| 21:25.40 | freeone3000 | murdoc-is-god: Yep. |
| 21:25.40 | murdoc-is-god | Mine has a salt. |
| 21:25.41 | tomoty__ | greycat|home |
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| 21:25.43 | tomoty__ | thanks |
| 21:25.45 | freeone3000 | murdoc-is-god: You're screwed. |
| 21:25.49 | murdoc-is-god | So I need to brute force, yah? |
| 21:25.50 | blendmaster1024 | i asked on oftc, but there are more people here: i'm trying to make http://my.host.com/repo go to /media/sdb1/packagerepo and http://my.host.com/repo/dists go to /media/sdb1/packagerepo/dists and so on, but it isn't working - what am i doing wrong? the site-config file : http://www.pasteall.org/8034 |
| 21:25.52 | mick_laptop | murdoc-is-god: what is the salt? |
| 21:25.53 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: nvm, i didnt get that youre talking about login passwords |
| 21:25.54 | freeone3000 | murdoc-is-god: Same problem. |
| 21:25.55 | murdoc-is-god | Why am I screwed? |
| 21:26.07 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: theres plenty bruteforce tools |
| 21:26.13 | freeone3000 | murdoc-is-god: Because either way, you'll have to remove the salt from the input - and for that, you'd need to know the salt. |
| 21:26.22 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: I can't find a good one except john |
| 21:26.37 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: And john in Debian doesn't support raw MD5 hashes for whatever bizarre reason. |
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| 21:26.42 | mick_laptop | murdoc-is-god: if you know the salt, then generate your own rainbow tables. it will take some time -- but it works. if you don't know the salt then forget it |
| 21:26.51 | freeone3000 | Okay. Now an actual debian question. |
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| 21:27.03 | freeone3000 | How do I get a second ethernet NIC registered as a separate eth device? |
| 21:27.04 | murdoc-is-god | freeone3000: That's why I came here originally... to ask that. |
| 21:27.10 | greycat|home | blendmaster1024: it should just be "Alias /repo/ /media/sdb1/packagerepo/" shouldn't it? |
| 21:27.13 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: i think it supports md5 |
| 21:27.14 | xeon-enouf | !70 |
| 21:27.14 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 21:27.16 | murdoc-is-god | mick_laptop: I know the salt. The hash+salt is from /etc/shadow |
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| 21:27.19 | xeon-enouf | freeone3000: ^^^^ |
| 21:27.22 | greycat|home | blendmaster1024: otherwise, ask #httpd or check the apache docs for Alias |
| 21:27.30 | freeone3000 | Awesome, thanks. |
| 21:27.38 | mick_laptop | murdoc-is-god: oh you want the login password |
| 21:27.51 | mick_laptop | murdoc-is-god: there are better ways to accomplish that |
| 21:28.10 | greycat|home | can't you just reset the password? |
| 21:28.20 | JochenA | I upgraded my server from etch to lenny and everything worked fine for days. But eventually I thought it was time to reboot with the new kernel. As so often after a reboot the beast wouldn't come up. Using the remote recovery system I have gotten to the point so far that the system is actually booting (partitions are ok). But the problem seems to be that there is no networking whatsoever. In particular there seems to be no lo (127.0.0.1) |
| 21:28.20 | JochenA | interface. Atleast programs can't bind to it. |
| 21:28.22 | mick_laptop | if you can, boot into single user mode and then change the password |
| 21:28.27 | greycat|home | unix passwords are *designed* to be not-easily-retrieved. that's the whole point. |
| 21:28.41 | JochenA | Anyone got an idea what could cause that? |
| 21:28.44 | murdoc-is-god | mick_laptop: Yeah I can do that. |
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| 21:28.51 | mick_laptop | murdoc-is-god: much easier |
| 21:28.56 | murdoc-is-god | mick_laptop: I just forgot this password and I've used it somewhere else too |
| 21:28.56 | xeon-enouf | mick_laptop: you need root passwd for that - i think you mean init=/bin/sh? |
| 21:29.02 | murdoc-is-god | So I'd rather have the actual password |
| 21:29.10 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: john works fine, i have no clue why you have a problem with this |
| 21:29.12 | mick_laptop | unless you want the actual password (and there are easier ways to do that |
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| 21:29.29 | freeone3000 | Now the next problem! How do I get the MAC of a specific NIC? I know its PCI entry. |
| 21:29.40 | greycat|home | freeone3000: ifconfig -a |
| 21:30.04 | mick_laptop | freeone3000: you want the first part? or the whole thing? whole thing is unique -- but i can tell you the first part |
| 21:30.12 | xeon-enouf | JochenA: hrm, so /sbin/ifconfig -a shows no lo? |
| 21:30.24 | xeon-enouf | JochenA: does ls /sys/class/net show it? |
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| 21:30.52 | JochenA | xeon-enouf: can't do that because I can't ssh into the machine. It's in a colo and I don't have a serial console (only feature missing there) |
| 21:31.16 | JochenA | I can only reboot into the recovery system and look at the logs. |
| 21:31.44 | xeon-enouf | freeone3000: it'sthe HWaddr line |
| 21:31.49 | mick_laptop | freeone3000: http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/oui.txt |
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| 21:32.14 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: Because john -incremental:lanman -format:raw-MD5 pw.txt doesn't work on Debian |
| 21:32.18 | mick_laptop | freeone3000: oh! you mean on your computer? /sbin/ifconfig |
| 21:32.21 | JochenA | xeon-enouf: I might try to add a boot script and write the output into a file to see. |
| 21:32.25 | freeone3000 | mick_laptop: Yea. |
| 21:32.33 | murdoc-is-god | As I understand it, I need format:raw-MD5 instead of just format:MD5 |
| 21:32.40 | murdoc-is-god | John in Debian supports format:MD5 |
| 21:32.46 | murdoc-is-god | but not format:raw-MD5 |
| 21:32.54 | AruNatsu | how can i restart ssh daemon? |
| 21:32.54 | mick_laptop | freeone3000: i thought that you wanted to know what vendows have what mac |
| 21:32.58 | freeone3000 | After the change, I get a complaint that the device doesn't exist. |
| 21:33.15 | murdoc-is-god | AruNatsu: /etc/init.d/ssh restart (as root) |
| 21:33.17 | AruNatsu | like, where are all the scripts for controlling daemons on debian? |
| 21:33.18 | mick_laptop | AruNatsu: like everything else, /etc/init.d/<program> restart |
| 21:33.26 | AruNatsu | ah init.d, thanks! |
| 21:33.26 | j_14 | Hello. What is the proper way to run a script in a remote machine from a script run localy. So far the only solution that occurs to me is to create an user in the remote machine for the purpose of running the intended script upon loging in, and then log out. |
| 21:33.29 | AruNatsu | i'm too used to arch linux :( |
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| 21:33.53 | mick_laptop | j_14: ssh foo@bar 'somecommand' |
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| 21:34.06 | xeon-enouf | JochenA: well anyway , is it a wired NIC? and how do you know there's no lo if you cannot connect to it? |
| 21:34.09 | mick_laptop | j_14: no login+logout required |
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| 21:34.26 | xeon-enouf | also check dmesg output |
| 21:34.32 | xeon-enouf | JochenA: |
| 21:34.34 | mick_laptop | AruNatsu: arch linux? are you kidding me? |
| 21:34.54 | xeon-enouf | AruNatsu: /etc/default/ |
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| 21:35.21 | JochenA | xeon-enouf: after booting into recovery and mounting my partions I can look into syslog. I see errors about not being able to bind to network interfaces. Including the local interface. |
| 21:35.35 | xeon-enouf | AruNatsu: is where you set VARIABLEs you want the daemons to use |
| 21:35.48 | JochenA | I just put ifconfig... to rc.local and will cycle through again... |
| 21:36.00 | j_14 | mick_laptop: Thank you. |
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| 21:36.55 | fredl | well that blacklisting didn't work :( |
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| 21:37.22 | AruNatsu | mick_laptop: what about arch linux? =S |
| 21:37.30 | dirkson | Recent upgrade broke nvidia. Known issue? |
| 21:37.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !btssmite dirkson |
| 21:37.47 | dpkg | beats dirkson around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if dirkson is running testing or unstable |
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| 21:38.05 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: upgraded kernel? ofcourse |
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| 21:38.21 | dirkson | xeon-enouf: Hmm? |
| 21:38.33 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: used nvidia installer and upgraded Xorg? shame on you |
| 21:38.51 | Jemt_ | Hi. I'm having trouble copying a large number of files, because some of them contain danish characters (æ, ø, å). How do I solve this? It would take days to rename all those files :-/ |
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| 21:39.24 | dirkson | xeon-enouf: I don't seem to remember running nvidia installer. I know that process would break nvidia. (And be easy to fix with a reinstall) |
| 21:39.28 | valdyn | Jemt_: you mean that a windows filesystem is involved or why else would this be a problem? |
| 21:39.29 | RogerW | hello |
| 21:39.35 | dirkson | Perhaps I did. I can always reinstall. |
| 21:39.45 | Jemt | valdyn: I'm using Ext3 only |
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| 21:39.55 | valdyn | Jemt: then why is it a problem to copy those files? |
| 21:39.56 | Jemt | valdyn: I used to use FAT32 though |
| 21:40.10 | Jemt | valdyn: The error I get is simple: Invalid argument |
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| 21:40.24 | valdyn | Jemt: so you are using the wrong command to copy those files probably |
| 21:40.42 | Jemt | valdyn: cp /my/source /my/destination -R |
| 21:40.45 | Jemt | Is that wrong ? |
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| 21:41.14 | freeone3000 | Options usually go before commands, so cp -R ... |
| 21:41.33 | abrotman | you mean before arguments? |
| 21:41.35 | Jemt | No, that's on Unix, freeone3000 |
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| 21:42.35 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: there's the debian way, and the nvidia installer way - which did you use? |
| 21:42.55 | xeon-enouf | 21:28 < dirkson> Recent upgrade broke nvidia. Known issue? dirkson: upgraded kernel? |
| 21:43.17 | dirkson | xeon-enouf: I guess I did use the nvidia installer (There's a version of the installer sitting in my home dir that matches the version installed) Now I feel silly :D Thanks though |
| 21:43.22 | freeone3000 | Okay. Anyway. Issue. A Windows PC on the network can go through a special MAC auth process - denied MACs get a special DHCP server, which gives a special DNS server, which redirects ALL requests to a certain IP containing a webserver which allows you to enter a username and password, which allows that MAC to the allowed list. Windows under VirtualPC, works fine. Debian under VirtualBox, no works. What's the issue, and how do I fix it? |
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| 21:43.49 | valdyn | Jemt: Invalid argument somehow refers to the command line |
| 21:43.51 | fredl | hmm I used to be able to mount -o loop an uncompressed initrd image... is that no longer possible? |
| 21:44.00 | valdyn | Jemt: danish characters are not a problem |
| 21:44.19 | valdyn | Jemt: have you tried to use rsync instead? |
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| 21:44.30 | Jemt | valdyn: It only gives me that error on files containing danish characters. All other files are copied just fine |
| 21:44.51 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: then /msg dpkg why not nvidia installer |
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| 21:44.54 | Jemt | valdyn: Nope, not familiar with that tool. I'll look into it. Thanks :) |
| 21:44.58 | fredl | it's an ASCII cpio archive... hmmm. How can I change what's in the uncompressed initrd image? |
| 21:45.11 | valdyn | Jemt: you can use it the same way |
| 21:45.20 | dirkson | xeon-enouf: He says he doesn't know, amusingly enough :D |
| 21:45.29 | Jemt | valdyn: Excellent, I'll give it a try right away :) |
| 21:45.37 | xeon-enouf | er why not nvidia-installer dirkson |
| 21:45.49 | valdyn | Jemt: err, not exactly the same, skip the -R |
| 21:45.59 | Jemt | Okay :) |
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| 21:47.00 | dirkson | xeon-enouf: Yeah, that's pretty much my experience with it. I must not have known how to install packages from sid when I installed this thing (And had some valid reason for needing a newer driver than provided) |
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| 21:47.14 | fredl | How do I change an initrd image? |
| 21:47.30 | JarlG | I've just installed xfce4 on my laptop, and I installed xfce4-goodies, too. Yet, I can't watch videos on f.ex. youtube - any solution? |
| 21:47.31 | valdyn | fredl: what are you trying to change? |
| 21:47.46 | fredl | valdyn - I want to disable the r8169 module in the image |
| 21:48.06 | macrobat | JarlG: you need flash |
| 21:48.10 | xeon-enouf | fredl: abrotman earlier told you /msgdpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 21:48.25 | fredl | yes and I did. |
| 21:48.30 | dirkson | Aaaand now the computer froze. Case in point. |
| 21:48.34 | valdyn | fredl: you blacklist it *outside*, then you regenerate the initrd |
| 21:48.41 | JarlG | macrobat: Is there any simple aptitude for that? |
| 21:48.50 | valdyn | fredl: and appearantly dpkg told you how that is donea lready |
| 21:48.59 | fredl | yes dpkg did. |
| 21:49.04 | macrobat | JarlG: are you using lenny? |
| 21:49.04 | fredl | and it doesn't work. |
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| 21:49.10 | dirkson | Well, hasn't frozen. MPD is still running. My input devices just gave up the ghost |
| 21:49.12 | JarlG | macrobat: yes, I am. |
| 21:49.25 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 21:49.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 21:49.26 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: use vesa until you get it sorted/ |
| 21:49.37 | dirkson | xeon-enouf: Probably a smart idea |
| 21:49.44 | valdyn | dpkg: blacklist-initramfs |
| 21:49.44 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 21:49.50 | fredl | it did not disable the r8169 module. |
| 21:50.05 | macrobat | JarlG: flashplugin-nonfree is in backports |
| 21:50.19 | valdyn | fredl: show us your /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 21:50.28 | JarlG | macrobat: what does that mean? 'in backports'? |
| 21:50.37 | greycat|home | !backports.org |
| 21:50.37 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 21:50.39 | somiaj | I am looking for a remote way to grab the ip address of a connenction via ssh. What I am trying is 'ssh host /path/to/script' and what I want the script to do is grab the external ip address of the machine that runs it. This deosn't seem possible via who, or last commands since I am not invoking login for this shell. Any suggestions on how to grab this ip in such a fashion? |
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| 21:51.01 | valdyn | somiaj: ifconfig |
| 21:51.23 | somiaj | valdyn: ifconfig only gives the interal ip addres, and I awnt the public ip address on the router. This is a remote machine so I can't log into its 'router' |
| 21:51.26 | fredl | valdyn - I simply added r8169 to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 21:51.27 | greycat|home | somiaj: when you ssh into something, the SSH_CLIENT and SSH_CONNECTION variables contain the client's address |
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| 21:51.29 | fredl | ehr |
| 21:51.39 | somiaj | greycat|home: ahh thanks, I'll give that a try |
| 21:51.40 | valdyn | somiaj: wget http://whatismyip.com/ |
| 21:51.40 | fredl | blacklist r8169 |
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| 21:52.04 | fredl | then I run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 21:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, "external IP" gets impossible this way when you're behind a NAT and want the IP of the NAT... yeah, what valdyn says in this case |
| 21:52.13 | valdyn | fredl: and then you reboot |
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| 21:52.20 | fredl | Should I also re-riun LILO? |
| 21:52.34 | greycat|home | you're still using lilo? |
| 21:52.40 | JochenA | What a surprise, all my interfaces are there but they are not up. /etc/network/interfaces is set up the way it should be. |
| 21:52.41 | fredl | by accident yeah |
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| 21:52.52 | greycat|home | well, if you're using lilo, then re-running it shouldn't hurt |
| 21:53.01 | Zexan | lilo is better than grub at some points.. |
| 21:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, of course, there is $SSH_CONNECTION |
| 21:53.03 | JarlG | macrobat, greycat: thanks! |
| 21:53.12 | Zexan | it depends :) |
| 21:53.20 | fredl | well let's check again then. |
| 21:53.24 | JochenA | Did the network scripts change in some weird way in lenny. I did not have anything like that when I upgraded my personal system a year ago. |
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| 21:54.25 | xeon-enouf | JochenA: check /msg dpkg z25 |
| 21:54.37 | xeon-enouf | and /msg dpkg 70 |
| 21:55.04 | xeon-enouf | JochenA: check dmesg and /var/log/* |
| 21:55.18 | sandman | Anyone know why my default keyring's password would be differet from my login password? |
| 21:55.28 | xeon-enouf | like /syslog, /kern.log, /messages |
| 21:55.35 | sandman | And how would I go about changing the default keyring password? |
| 21:55.47 | greycat|home | which default keyring do you mean? |
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| 21:56.21 | sandman | greycat|home: When I log into my gnome desktop |
| 21:56.21 | fredl | well must have been rerunning lilo that did it. |
| 21:56.24 | sandman | It prompts me immediately |
| 21:56.28 | sandman | For my default keyring password |
| 21:56.33 | greycat|home | sandman: like, ssh-add? |
| 21:56.39 | sandman | I don't know |
| 21:56.54 | xeon-enouf | sandman: some gnome-keyring thing? /msg dpkg gnome |
| 21:56.54 | sandman | It just wants me to unlock my keyring, and to enter my password |
| 21:57.02 | greycat|home | I don't know gnome. |
| 21:57.07 | fredl | I also compiled an r8168 module and put it in /lib/modules/.... is it normal that that one also gets put in the initrd image with that dpkg-reconfigure I just did? |
| 21:57.10 | sandman | OH |
| 21:57.12 | xeon-enouf | neither |
| 21:57.14 | sandman | It's trying to connect to wireless network |
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| 21:57.52 | somiaj | greycat|home, CutMeOwnThroat that was what i needed, thanks a bundle....(: |
| 21:58.17 | JarlG | macrobat: I have now installed flashplugin-nonfree, yet I cannot see anything on YouTube. The sound works, however there is no picture. Under the video it says that I should upgrade to flashplayer 10 for better video playback - should I follow this link and attempt to download it's contents? |
| 21:58.46 | macrobat | i think that's a link for windows users, JarlG |
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| 21:58.56 | xeon-enouf | fredl: to put yours in it, a) depmod -a b) add/list yours to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules (might have to actually remove the originalmodule?) c) update-initramfs |
| 21:59.01 | JarlG | macrobat: So did I, but it does have linux downloads. |
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| 21:59.27 | xeon-enouf | fredl: i think it allows all the init scripts to sync properly and give early net support |
| 21:59.31 | macrobat | JarlG: what graphics card and driver do you have? |
| 21:59.51 | JarlG | I've got ati mobility X1600, standard driver. (where to check driver?) |
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| 22:00.06 | fredl | xeon-enouf, Hmm, ok. interesting, coz I 'magically' have the r8168 module loaded now so somehow it must have gotten into the initrd image since it's not in /etc/modules |
| 22:00.06 | Multiply | I just tried to do a ./configure: and it returned: Permission denied <- How do I make a non-root user, able to configure, but only that one user, not other users? |
| 22:00.17 | JarlG | macrobat: it says kbd driver |
| 22:00.19 | greycat|home | JarlG: the Xorg.0.log file will tell you whether it's using RADEON or VESA if you can figure out where to look |
| 22:00.21 | xeon-enouf | i mean, if you did not have the module in initrd, it might hinder other init scripts that expect the NIC to be accessible/working, etc |
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| 22:02.45 | macrobat | JarlG: ati is bad news, i dont know anything about them, but you need a driver for it, i think you might be using the vesa driver. it performs badly |
| 22:02.45 | JarlG | macrobat: I'm pretty sure it's using radeon. |
| 22:02.51 | macrobat | ok |
| 22:03.01 | hark | JarlG: what does readlink /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so say? |
| 22:03.05 | fredl | the NIC is now also in gigabit mode and I don't get any dropped packets, so the r8169 module is definitely wrong for my NIC |
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| 22:03.28 | greycat|home | ATI is bad news, and NVidia is bad news, and everything else is bad news. Yay! |
| 22:03.40 | JarlG | hark: /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
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| 22:03.57 | fredl | or maybe the conclusion could be simply that Linux is bad news? :P |
| 22:04.03 | macrobat | i like nvidia. it works for me (tm) |
| 22:04.18 | fredl | I like ATI, it works for me (tm) |
| 22:04.29 | greycat|home | JarlG: try this: egrep '(RADEON|VESA)\(0\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log | head -1 |
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| 22:04.55 | JarlG | greycat|home: returns nothing |
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| 22:05.00 | greycat|home | damn. |
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| 22:05.28 | macrobat | idk, egrep -i ? |
| 22:06.01 | greycat|home | JarlG: do you have "Setting vga for screen 0" in the log? |
| 22:06.02 | fredl | so why is the initrd image a compressed cpio file anyway? |
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| 22:06.38 | fredl | why not make it a compressed ext2 file system or something like it was I dunno how long ago? |
| 22:06.43 | macrobat | fredl: i think it was cramfs some years ago |
| 22:06.50 | JarlG | greycat|home: Where Is returned nothing for that string |
| 22:06.59 | JarlG | Didn't find it in file |
| 22:07.06 | fredl | or cramfs, that works too, as long as you can mount it. |
| 22:07.26 | fredl | I wouldn't even know anymore what to do with a cpio file :P |
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| 22:07.38 | macrobat | fredl: i think its done with initramfs-tools now |
| 22:08.03 | fredl | yeah but that's not very convenient I don't think. Oh well. |
| 22:08.22 | greycat|home | I don't know how to make Xorg.0.log tell you which display driver module X is using other than by manually reading the log file and finding it. |
| 22:09.00 | greycat|home | there should be a metric shitload of lines like "(II) RADEON(0): ..." if you're using the radeon driver, for example. |
| 22:09.20 | fredl | a metric shitload huh? :) |
| 22:09.29 | greycat|home | yeah, it's bigger than the imperial shitload |
| 22:09.44 | freeone3000 | Okay. I have one computer on a computer-to-computer network. It is on address 192.168.56.1. Subnet is 255.255.255.0. I have my debian computer set up as 192.168.56.2, sbnet 255.255.255.0. This is intended to be an ethernet-protocol, peer-to-peer network (no router, no mediation). |
| 22:09.51 | greycat|home | griffon:~$ grep -c 'RADEON(0)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:09.51 | greycat|home | 330 |
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| 22:10.21 | freeone3000 | However, requests to the second computer form the debian computer are called "unreachable", while requests from the second to the debian never complete. |
| 22:10.30 | greycat|home | freeone3000: how are they physically connected? |
| 22:10.32 | jeeves_Moss | how can I check to see if there is a blank CD-R in a ROM from the CLI? |
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| 22:10.51 | fredl | I hope you remembered to use a cross cable freeone3000 |
| 22:10.55 | greycat|home | jeeves_Moss: cdrecord -minfo possibly |
| 22:11.03 | freeone3000 | greycat|home: VBox Host-only connector. Registers on debian computer as Ethernet NIC (eth0), and registers on second computer as ethernet NIC (windows 7) |
| 22:11.09 | clarjon1 | hi |
| 22:11.21 | clarjon1 | How do i stop fglrx from using mesa for indirect gl rendering? |
| 22:11.27 | azeem | freeone3000: so both on one physical box? |
| 22:11.31 | freeone3000 | azeem: Yes. |
| 22:11.38 | greycat|home | *sigh* |
| 22:11.39 | jeeves_Moss | greycat|home, thanks. I'll try that. I can't remember if I left a blank CD in the ROM for backups. and if I didn't, I have to get my "office monkey" to put on in on Monday |
| 22:12.01 | JarlG | How do I make my system boot xfce4 automatically on startup? |
| 22:12.05 | freeone3000 | But we're at the point where it should REALLY work, we promise, so what I'm left with is a routing issue. |
| 22:12.07 | clarjon1 | grrr |
| 22:12.09 | fredl | oh you're still futzing around with Xen freeone3000 ? |
| 22:12.10 | clarjon1 | hates mesa |
| 22:12.19 | freeone3000 | fredl: VirtualBox, not Xen, but yes. |
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| 22:12.21 | greycat|home | JarlG: does this mean you got X to start? |
| 22:12.29 | JarlG | greycat|home: no. :) |
| 22:12.30 | freeone3000 | fredl: I got the NAT working, I just want it to be able to connect regardless of external network conditions. |
| 22:12.37 | ctmjr | egrep "Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:12.46 | JarlG | greycat|home: where is the X file, I know the rest there :P |
| 22:12.50 | greycat|home | then attempting to start X at boot time would be most unwise |
| 22:13.00 | greycat|home | JarlG: you mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 22:13.07 | JarlG | No, not really. |
| 22:13.13 | fredl | freeone3000, hmm, I hope to get to where you are within hopefully a short time but can't help you yet :) |
| 22:13.16 | clarjon1 | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//v4l_drv.so |
| 22:13.16 | clarjon1 | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//fglrx_drv.so |
| 22:13.20 | JarlG | The file that manages what happens when I do "startx" |
| 22:13.28 | greycat|home | JarlG: ~/.xsession |
| 22:13.49 | greycat|home | see also http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles |
| 22:14.04 | JarlG | greycat|home: are you suggesting I stick to having to write "startxfce4" upon every startup? |
| 22:14.10 | xeon-enouf | fredl: /etc/modules is just there to list needed modules at bootup, but not early, as an init script loads those listed in there |
| 22:14.23 | Firestarter | freeone3000: What kind of cable did you use to make the connection between the two boxes? |
| 22:14.31 | azeem | Firestarter: 00:11 < azeem> freeone3000: so both on one physical box? |
| 22:14.53 | freeone3000 | The magical cable of virtualization software. |
| 22:15.04 | jeeves_Moss | greycat|home, dosn't look like there is one in the drive |
| 22:15.06 | valdyn | JarlG: if you want X to start automatically, then use gdm or xdm or kdm, not startx at all |
| 22:15.08 | clarjon1 | ctmjr: I've done the creating symbolic links, tried using the both the repo and the 'official' drivers from ati's download page... |
| 22:15.16 | fredl | xeon-enouf, yeah I did remember that part, so I knew to look in the initrd image for it. It's working now but I was mildly surprised that my r8168 (the new module) is now also loaded. |
| 22:15.17 | freeone3000 | But that "should work". It's just the network is so darn screwy every other single way that it's impossible to tell where exactly the issue lies. |
| 22:15.21 | xeon-enouf | fredl: i fforget if it's an rcS.d/ or rc1.d/ or rc2.d/ symlink that looks in /etc/modules, rgrep /etc/init.d/ then locate the symlink |
| 22:15.31 | clarjon1 | ctmjr: did the aticonfig methods, and so forth. |
| 22:15.38 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 22:15.50 | clarjon1 | ctmjr: added the option to disable AIGLX or whatever it's called to xorg.conf |
| 22:16.02 | Firestarter | freeone3000: What are you trying to acomplish with doing this? |
| 22:16.03 | JarlG | valdyn: Are these programs(login managers?) I install with aptitude? |
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| 22:16.13 | valdyn | JarlG: yes |
| 22:16.30 | freeone3000 | Firestarter: Network connection between the guest OS and host OS irrespective of external conditions so they can have a network even when there's no network. |
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| 22:16.52 | freeone3000 | That preferably doesn't fall over every time the host gets a new DHCP lease. |
| 22:16.54 | ctmjr | clarjon1: and glxinfo | grep render show's mesa? |
| 22:17.20 | xeon-enouf | fredl: /Documentation has atleast 3 about init/initrd/initramfs .. one is in /early-startup |
| 22:17.28 | JarlG | valdyn: thanks! |
| 22:17.29 | clarjon1 | ctmjr: no such command, fglrxinfo does however |
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| 22:17.38 | clarjon1 | ctmjr: and so does the ATI Catalyst Control Center |
| 22:17.51 | freeone3000 | If the host had a permanent connection, or bridged wasn't MAC filtered and hateful of linux, I'd just leave it at one of those. But I think I'm stuck doing hybrid. |
| 22:17.53 | xeon-enouf | greycat|home: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log should show video/keys/mouse drivers used |
| 22:18.37 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: wodim -atip -prcap dev=/dev/name |
| 22:18.52 | freeone3000 | And now the network connection goes away. Fun, fun. Cya'll later. |
| 22:19.06 | Firestarter | freeone3000: WTF???? |
| 22:19.12 | greycat|home | xeon-enouf: ah, clever. |
| 22:19.34 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, ??? what will that do? |
| 22:19.35 | fredl | xeon-enouf, maybe you understand what's going on here... I'm now using another driver for the same network card (r8168 instead of r8169). The driver sees eth0, but later on in dmesg I see: udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth2 |
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| 22:19.46 | fredl | why does udev think that's neccesary? |
| 22:19.55 | greycat|home | For the record, I am not a fan of *dm programs. |
| 22:20.02 | clarjon1 | grrr |
| 22:20.10 | greycat|home | They cause too much confusion. If they could at least agree on a single dot file, that would be a great stat. |
| 22:20.13 | greycat|home | start* |
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| 22:20.26 | xeon-enouf | fredl: /msg dpkg 70 |
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| 22:20.49 | xeon-enouf | fredl: ls /sys/class/net shows how many ;-) |
| 22:21.17 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: for seeing media info of CD in drive |
| 22:21.19 | fredl | well there's no eth0 in /sys/class/net |
| 22:21.32 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: or even use isoinfo |
| 22:21.39 | xeon-enouf | fredl: heh |
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| 22:21.52 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, thanks. I'll look @ it in a bit. I've fallen soooooo far behind on my site maint. |
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| 22:22.26 | greycat|home | Also, in the case where X can't start at all (as in Jarl's case), having xdm installed means you can't even boot. |
| 22:22.26 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: cdrecord is forked to wodim in debian |
| 22:22.28 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtzUjlz7hyI |
| 22:22.38 | greycat|home | (or you could boot but be totally unable to use the console) |
| 22:22.57 | fredl | xeon-enouf, there's an eth0 in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules though. |
| 22:22.58 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, ok. |
| 22:23.14 | azeem | Agiofws: stop spamming, please |
| 22:23.26 | Agiofws | kk |
| 22:23.30 | xeon-enouf | fredl: correct HWaddr and everything? is there also a eth2 there? |
| 22:24.01 | fredl | oh shit wait, hang on, the NIC that's active now is NOT the first port I was playing with, I switched to the second as the first doesn't even show up in lspci anymore |
| 22:24.16 | fredl | forgot all about that. |
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| 22:24.38 | fredl | goign to reboot again and see if the first NIC will be active again.. |
| 22:24.40 | fredl | bbl |
| 22:25.03 | clarjon1 | blahs |
| 22:25.07 | clarjon1 | stupid mesa |
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| 22:25.26 | clarjon1 | I do not like it |
| 22:25.40 | clarjon1 | all the symlinks are in place |
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| 22:27.22 | JarlG | I just installed an installation including a DE, but when it attempts to boot the DE, everything goes black. My secondary screen says that it cannot display that resolution. Any solutions? :-/ |
| 22:27.38 | xeon-enouf | !dual monitors |
| 22:27.38 | dpkg | For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, http://thinkwiki.org/Xorg_RandR_1.2. Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr>. |
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| 22:28.35 | JarlG | xeon-enouf, shouldn't I still be able to boot? Or is this configuring required in order to be even able to boot the DE? |
| 22:29.14 | greycat|home | JarlG: for god's sake, get startx to work with ONE monitor before you attempt anything fancier |
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| 22:30.40 | fredl | Hmm good so far... |
| 22:30.40 | clarjon1 | decides to try removing the free ati related drivers :P |
| 22:30.49 | clarjon1 | force it to only have the nonfree to fall back on :P |
| 22:30.49 | valdyn | that'S sad that display autoconfiguration is *still* broken |
| 22:30.56 | valdyn | ( in to many cases ) |
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| 22:31.17 | valdyn | ( not like that is X or linux fault |
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| 22:31.30 | greycat|home | valdyn: I can add "lenny, some new HP-Compaq box, 1280x1024 LCD monitor that can't do the 1900xwhatever that X was trying to do" to your collection. |
| 22:31.45 | valdyn | ehe |
| 22:32.13 | valdyn | i would wildly guess that HP just dont bother shipping a proper monitor |
| 22:32.21 | valdyn | that properly ids itself |
| 22:32.35 | greycat|home | it's at work, and I'm not, so I can't provide model numbers at this time |
| 22:32.37 | xeon-enouf | UseNoEDID? :-P |
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| 22:33.25 | fredl | I read something about lightscribe this afternoon. I thought HP was so much into opensourcing stuff? |
| 22:33.34 | Raydiation | will apt-get install phpmyadmin install it into /var/www ? |
| 22:33.41 | valdyn | fredl: HP is huge |
| 22:34.01 | valdyn | fredl: and the laptops certainly arent built by HP anyway |
| 22:34.08 | fredl | apparently they've release some Linux binaries to lightscribe media but they haven't bothered to release the source and they also didn't manage to compile the 64 bit binaries :) |
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| 22:34.45 | fredl | yeah I know they're huge. they also use TONS of linux systems internally |
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| 22:35.10 | fredl | saw Bdale Garbee speak a couple of years ago. |
| 22:35.25 | fredl | he said they have thousands of internal Linux servers. |
| 22:35.28 | azeem | I saw Bdale speak the other day |
| 22:35.30 | azeem | on IRC though |
| 22:35.33 | JarlG | greycat|home: Sorry for not trying with one monitor, it works now. Though, I can't set it to full resolution. What driver would be the first one I should install on a ati HD4670? ati-drivers-fglrx? |
| 22:35.35 | anigma | . |
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| 22:35.59 | fredl | is he still involved with Debian? |
| 22:36.15 | valdyn | fredl: yes |
| 22:36.26 | simonrvn | JarlG: try radeonhd |
| 22:36.41 | fredl | interesting. anyway, it's bedtime for me. |
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| 22:36.45 | JarlG | simonrvn: ati-drivers-radeonhd? |
| 22:36.58 | fredl | I'm all relaxed now that I have this bitch NIC submitted. |
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| 22:37.07 | Raydiation | how can i see where a package is installed? |
| 22:37.26 | azeem | Raydiation: dpkg -L <package> |
| 22:37.29 | greycat|home | dpkg -L pkgname will list all the files |
| 22:37.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching pkgname will list all the files |
| 22:37.31 | Raydiation | ty |
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| 22:38.34 | xeon-enouf | Raydiation: look also at the .postinst script |
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| 22:39.35 | JarlG | simonrvn: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd didn't install anything, does that mean it's already installed? |
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| 22:39.49 | xeon-enouf | dpkg -l |
| 22:39.49 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:40.23 | valdyn | JarlG: yes |
| 22:40.33 | xeon-enouf | JarlG: dpkg -l <pkgname> ; /msg dpkg reference |
| 22:40.50 | JarlG | valdyn: What other driver options are there, then? :-/ |
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| 22:41.03 | JarlG | xeon-enouf: What's that supposed to do? |
| 22:41.08 | xeon-enouf | read a f ,manpage ffs |
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| 22:41.28 | valdyn | JarlG: guessing is useless, you card has an ID, that id will imply 1 or 2 drivers |
| 22:41.46 | greycat|home | JarlG: try "lspci" for starters |
| 22:41.48 | uninverted | I can't get my resolution above 1024x768 no matter what I do to xorg.conf |
| 22:42.04 | JarlG | valdyn: So knowing what card it is doesn't suffice? |
| 22:42.16 | valdyn | uninverted: /var/log/Xorg.0.log contains lines explaining why specific modes cant be used |
| 22:42.32 | valdyn | JarlG: you dont know what card it is when you dont know the ID |
| 22:42.45 | valdyn | JarlG: "lspci", like greycat said |
| 22:42.52 | JarlG | valdyn: Doing so. ;) |
| 22:42.57 | valdyn | !pciid |
| 22:42.57 | dpkg | To locate the kernel module(s) supporting your hardware, run lspci -k (lenny+), or lspci -nn, and ask me about <pciid 00:1b.0 Audio device ... [8086:284b] ...> Where [8086:284b] is the vendor+device id of your hardware. Results should be similar to <hcl>, but uses your local /lib/modules/*/modules.alias to guess. Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. /msg judd pciid 0806:284b |
| 22:42.57 | xeon-enouf | add -nn |
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| 22:43.31 | puddles | uninverted: analog? |
| 22:43.56 | puddles | uninverted: probably have insufficient horizsync / vertrefresh lines |
| 22:44.37 | abrotman | puddles: i got a question for you! |
| 22:44.46 | puddles | hey abrotman! |
| 22:45.33 | JarlG | valdyn: I'm pretty sure the ID is 05:00 0 (that is, it IS the ID if that's what an ID looks like) |
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| 22:45.53 | JarlG | valdyn: it might be 1002.9490, too. |
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| 22:47.05 | greycat|home | xx:yy.z is the PCI bus identifier |
| 22:47.13 | valdyn | JarlG: lspci -n gives the complete id, the 05:00.0 is only the bus location |
| 22:47.15 | xeon-enouf | judd: pciid 1002:9490 |
| 22:47.16 | judd | xeon-enouf: [1002:9490] is 'RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9490 |
| 22:47.25 | xeon-enouf | judd: xorg 1002:9490 |
| 22:47.25 | greycat|home | [xxxx:yyyy] from lspci -nn is the hardware ID |
| 22:47.27 | judd | xeon-enouf: Device 1002:9490 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 22:47.54 | valdyn | JarlG: so i gues you driver should be fglrx |
| 22:48.08 | themill | (there's no data for fglrx in judd's db at the moment) |
| 22:48.11 | greycat|home | or VESA |
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| 22:49.45 | JarlG | valdyn: Hmm. fglrx is not one of the aptitude packages :-/ |
| 22:49.51 | JarlG | Should I download from ati.com? |
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| 22:51.02 | NoCode | I'm trying to get mp3 codecs running, is libxine1 the right package in the dmm repo? |
| 22:51.33 | azeem | JarlG: no |
| 22:51.36 | azeem | !fglrx |
| 22:51.36 | dpkg | i guess fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:51.38 | hopper_irc | can any one tell me the name of a good php editor for debian like dreamweaver in windows |
| 22:51.50 | NoCode | !kompozer |
| 22:51.51 | azeem | JarlG: do you ahve non-free sources installed? |
| 22:52.06 | Multiply | When installing sbnc, using "apt-get install sbnc-tcl", it doesn't seem to create configfiles/userdirectories, for some reason. Why is that? |
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| 22:52.21 | JarlG | azeem: I highly doubt it. |
| 22:52.32 | azeem | JarlG: fglrx is not Free Software |
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| 22:52.37 | NoCode | hopper_irc, ^^ that was for you |
| 22:52.37 | azeem | !non-free |
| 22:52.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:52.43 | JarlG | azeem: I'll figure it out through the wiki |
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| 22:53.46 | NoCode | dpkg, kompozer | hopper_irc |
| 22:53.46 | dpkg | NoCode: wish i knew |
| 22:53.52 | NoCode | I fail. :) |
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| 22:55.22 | hopper_irc | can any one tell me the name of a good php editor for debian like dreamweaver in windows |
| 22:56.45 | abrotman | hopper_irc: bluefish? anjuta? |
| 22:56.49 | NoCode | Wouldn't kompozer do that? |
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| 22:56.58 | NoCode | Figured it would. |
| 22:57.01 | NoCode | oh well |
| 22:57.23 | Ben_90 | i got a question |
| 22:57.44 | hopper_irc | abrotman: I want a editor which allow me to edit visually |
| 22:58.00 | themill | hopper_irc: edit php visually?... |
| 22:58.02 | Ben_90 | where do i find the BIOS ROMs for Vice? |
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| 22:58.24 | kkdsk | hi all, what's the current kde version in lenny? |
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| 22:58.33 | hopper_irc | themill: html element |
| 22:58.41 | themill | kkdsk: 3.5.9/3.5.10 |
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| 22:58.54 | abrotman | hopper_irc: isn't that what bluefish does ? |
| 22:58.59 | abrotman | judd: info bluefish --release lenny |
| 22:59.00 | judd | abrotman: bluefish (web): is optional; Version: 1.0.7-5; Size: 1570.5k; Installed: 6728k -- advanced Gtk+ HTML editor |
| 22:59.26 | kkdsk | themill, thanks, can i have kde 4.3 in lenny? |
| 22:59.28 | NoCode | oh judd is the info bot. |
| 22:59.51 | themill | kkdsk: no. It requires libraries that aren't available |
| 23:00.07 | Ben_90 | judd: info vice --release lenny |
| 23:00.08 | judd | Ben_90: vice (contrib/otherosfs): is optional; Version: 1.22.dfsg1-0.1; Size: 3282.2k; Installed: 9632k -- The Versatile Commodore Emulator |
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| 23:00.39 | hopper_irc | abrotman: thanks, I will try this |
| 23:00.46 | Ben_90 | now i want to know where i would find the emulator images for vice |
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| 23:01.22 | Ben_90 | abrotman? |
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| 23:04.11 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 23:05.31 | NoCode | judd, info kompozer --release lenny |
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| 23:06.17 | themill | judd, info kompozer --release lenny-backports |
| 23:06.18 | judd | themill: kompozer (web): is optional; Version: 1:0.8~alpha4+dfsg+svn163-2~bpo50+1; Size: 6506.5k; Installed: 17096k -- complete Web Authoring System |
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| 23:06.37 | themill | nice version string... |
| 23:07.58 | abrotman | themill: it was missing -omgwtfbbq ? |
| 23:09.06 | azeem | that's nothing compared to "10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2" |
| 23:09.22 | themill | judd versions khelpcentre |
| 23:09.22 | judd | themill: khelpcentre -- |
| 23:09.25 | themill | judd versions khelpcenter |
| 23:09.25 | judd | themill: khelpcenter -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 lenny: 4:4.0.0.really.3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 |
| 23:09.31 | azeem | heh |
| 23:10.12 | NoCode | Anyone know if there's a way to get a shoutcast listening of streams in audacious? |
| 23:10.34 | Ben_90 | abrotman , where do i get the emulator images for VICE ? |
| 23:10.46 | azeem | Ben_90: don't harrass people, please |
| 23:11.28 | azeem | Ben_90: the answer is probably "on the internet, don't ask us" |
| 23:11.34 | abrotman | Ben_90: i don't even know what VICE is |
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| 23:16.14 | skx | is there any good how to on protecting users' privacy on shared shell server? debian has installed by default a lot of tools that let you look up other people (who, last, finger, etc), I would like to get some control over that |
| 23:16.38 | greycat|home | skx: man 5 passwd |
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| 23:17.27 | skx | greycat|home, em... what am I looking for? |
| 23:17.36 | greycat|home | The field where the person's name is. |
| 23:17.38 | valdyn | skx: the part about finger |
| 23:17.51 | greycat|home | also known as GECOS for inscrutable historical reasons |
| 23:17.57 | azeem | how does that help with who? |
| 23:18.03 | azeem | or last |
| 23:18.13 | greycat|home | those aren't actually problems, so I just ignored that |
| 23:18.30 | skx | valdyn, "The comment field is used by various system utilities, such as finger(1)."? what about it? |
| 23:18.40 | greycat|home | if the user's login name is a problem, make it a random number with a "u" in front or something. |
| 23:18.55 | greycat|home | skx: so there you go. that's where the person's name is stored. |
| 23:19.02 | skx | users' ip addresses, session times and so on are problems |
| 23:19.14 | skx | I don't store real names anyway |
| 23:19.15 | greycat|home | you're in the wrong business, then |
| 23:19.33 | skx | I am not in any business, it's just a shell server for a group of people |
| 23:19.39 | azeem | skx: consider virtualisation etc. |
| 23:19.43 | skx | still, I would like to protect at least some of their privacy |
| 23:19.52 | skx | oh, c'mon, it's like a cannon for an ant |
| 23:20.03 | valdyn | skx: everyone can look up home directories in unix |
| 23:20.21 | greycat|home | everyone can also run "netstat -an" and see where connections to sshd are coming from. |
| 23:20.22 | skx | no, actually no, why? |
| 23:20.44 | azeem | greycat|home: not necessarily map them to uids though, can they? |
| 23:21.43 | skx | no, no, no, grsec takes care of that I guess, 'cause netstat -an does not return anything valuable when run as a regular user |
| 23:21.44 | valdyn | skx: i dont think linux is made for what you want |
| 23:21.52 | azeem | skx: maybe you can g-r /var/run/utmp |
| 23:21.53 | azeem | or so |
| 23:21.56 | azeem | dunno if that works |
| 23:22.05 | greycat|home | I agree with valdyn. You seem to be in the 99.999th percentile of paranoia. |
| 23:22.11 | skx | Linux was made to make all info public to any user? |
| 23:22.12 | azeem | eh, o-r |
| 23:22.15 | greycat|home | skx: Unix was, yes. |
| 23:22.21 | greycat|home | Linux mimics UNix. |
| 23:22.29 | azeem | seems to work, yes |
| 23:22.33 | azeem | not sure what else breaks |
| 23:22.34 | skx | that's not optimistic |
| 23:22.48 | JarlG | Thanks a lot guys, I've now gotten dual monitors to work with fglrx! :D |
| 23:22.49 | azeem | skx: what do you mean with "all info"? |
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| 23:22.59 | skx | ip address, session time |
| 23:23.03 | greycat|home | Unix was developed in a research facility and was embraced by universities. |
| 23:23.10 | greycat|home | All of these organizations share information. |
| 23:23.17 | skx | that's all very nice, but not really useful |
| 23:23.26 | greycat|home | The whole thing, top to bottom, was designed to help people help each other, not to hide from each other. |
| 23:23.43 | azeem | greycat|home: still, you can harden it |
| 23:23.48 | greycat|home | *snort* |
| 23:23.49 | puddles | skx: dude, once somebody has a shell they can (potentially) get root |
| 23:23.50 | skx | yeah, academia seems like a cyberstalker dream |
| 23:23.56 | azeem | skx: chmod 660 /var/run/utmp |
| 23:24.07 | valdyn | azeem: can I hide processes from users? |
| 23:24.15 | skx | yes you can |
| 23:24.23 | greycat|home | Isn't there some sort of #tinfoilhat channel y'all can go bother? |
| 23:24.25 | valdyn | skx: with grsecurity? |
| 23:24.26 | azeem | valdyn: apparently so |
| 23:24.30 | skx | valdyn, yes |
| 23:24.34 | valdyn | skx: i see |
| 23:24.40 | skx | am I wrong? |
| 23:24.47 | azeem | greycat|home: really, I think it's a legitamite question |
| 23:24.56 | azeem | eh, modulo the typo |
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| 23:25.48 | skx | ok, anyway, is there any guide on that or do you guys maybe have some hints? |
| 23:26.04 | valdyn | skx: guess youre all set then, as changing permissions on utmp and using grsecurity is appearantly sufficient |
| 23:26.12 | azeem | skx: google for harden or lockdown in conjunction with linux or debian |
| 23:26.49 | skx | valdyn, thank you |
| 23:27.14 | skx | azeem, thank you too |
| 23:27.53 | skx | puddles, I certainly hope not (I missed your comment at first) |
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| 23:42.03 | sylar | when I have a getty process in inittab, is it supposed to be active all the time? |
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| 23:42.40 | greycat|home | yes, except when someone is logged in on that terminal |
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| 23:43.24 | tczern | Hello, is it possible to print a list of synaptic manager that shows all installations? I want to re-install my system on a different computer and I am looking for a reference tool. |
| 23:43.38 | sylar | greycat|home, I thought inittab start the process only when someone try to access it, or is that host.allow... I don't remember |
| 23:43.48 | greycat|home | tczern: you mean like dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 23:44.27 | greycat|home | sylar: gettys are always active, waiting for someone to type their name. If there weren't a getty there, you wouldn't be able to login. |
| 23:45.03 | sylar | greycat|home, ok, thanks :) |
| 23:45.10 | tczern | not sure. Let's say you have a fresh install of Debian and you want to compare this with what you have on a different Debian installation so that I just go through synaptic manager and check everything I want in addition. |
| 23:45.40 | sylar | gives greycat a can of tuna |
| 23:45.40 | greycat|home | tczern: dpkg --get-selections > somefile on the one box, transfer the file over, dpkg --set-selections < somefile, dselect install |
| 23:46.10 | tczern | ok, thanks!! |
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| 23:47.12 | JochenA | xeon-enouf: I found the problem. It was my fault. When I clean up some deprecated files (leftovers from woody times) I deleted the /etc/network/run link... |
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| 23:47.42 | JochenA | when you reboot only after 274 days uptime this happens... |
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| 23:53.40 | Poincare1 | I have a question. How can I enable multiverse and universe packages in debian? Here's my sources.list file: nitin@dell:~$ more sources.list |
| 23:53.40 | Poincare1 | # |
| 23:53.40 | Poincare1 | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20090413 |
| 23:53.40 | Poincare1 | -00:10]/ lenny main |
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| 23:54.55 | Poincare1 | will someone please help me setup multiverse and universe in Debian? |
| 23:55.01 | Poincare1 | in commmand line? |
| 23:55.06 | Poincare1 | I have no GUI |
| 23:55.30 | koollman | there is no such thing in debian. you may be thinking about ubuntu |
| 23:55.31 | abrotman | Poincare1: no such thing in debian |
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| 23:55.45 | abrotman | Poincare1: what are you trying to instal that you can't find ? |
| 23:55.46 | RogerW | good |
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| 23:56.34 | Poincare1 | I |
| 23:56.39 | Poincare1 | I'm trying to install tcsh and csh |
| 23:56.41 | Poincare1 | with |
| 23:56.49 | Poincare1 | sudo apt-get install csh |
| 23:57.21 | greycat|home | Try hitting enter less often. |
| 23:57.28 | abrotman | Poincare1: please use aptitude, not apt-get |
| 23:58.50 | abrotman | Poincare1: carefully type in: echo "deb http://ftp.uga.edu/debian/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list && aptitude update && aptitude install tcsh |
| 23:58.55 | abrotman | the >> is very important |
| 23:59.01 | Poincare1 | okay |
| 23:59.03 | Poincare1 | i'll try |
| 23:59.59 | sylar | abrotman, what's wrong with apt-get? |
