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| 00:00.25 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 00:00.25 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 00:01.32 | sylar | abrotman, I use synaptic usually , or apt-get |
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| 00:01.49 | sylar | synaptic also resolve stuff |
| 00:01.51 | abrotman | okay .. aptitude is still recommended |
| 00:01.57 | sylar | k |
| 00:02.17 | greycat|home | I still use apt-get. I'm stubborn. |
| 00:02.29 | Tr0gd0r | I have always used apt-get heh |
| 00:02.35 | Tr0gd0r | never had a problem |
| 00:03.15 | Poincare1 | Okay, I had lots of network is unreachable errors |
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| 00:03.18 | Poincare1 | is that okay? |
| 00:03.31 | abrotman | does it sound okay ? |
| 00:03.32 | Poincare1 | well it isn't cause tcsh didn't install |
| 00:03.42 | greycat|home | sudo apt-get install tcsh |
| 00:03.43 | Poincare1 | I did ping google.com |
| 00:03.53 | Poincare1 | and itworks |
| 00:04.15 | greycat|home | Poincare1: grep '^deb ' /etc/apt/sources.list | head -1 |
| 00:04.19 | Poincare1 | oh yeah! apt-get install tcsh works! |
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| 00:04.50 | abrotman | thinks Poincare1 did it wrong the first time |
| 00:05.01 | abrotman | Poincare1: seriously .. use aptitude |
| 00:06.23 | dlynes | btw...if anyone's interested in the perfect solution for html to pdf conversions, look no further: http://beebole.com/en/blog/general/convert-html-to-pdf-with-full-css-support-an-opensource-alternative-based-on-webkit/ |
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| 00:07.01 | greycat|home | Whose bright idea was it to include the ENTIRE title of a document in the URL? |
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| 00:08.28 | abrotman | dlynes: you mean like ... pdf2html ? |
| 00:08.43 | dlynes | abrotman: but in the other direction |
| 00:09.10 | greycat|home | I always used "Print..." in a web browser to generate PS, then ps2pdf. |
| 00:09.30 | greycat|home | Not that "always" is a particularly good way to describe something I've only done 1 or 2 times in my entire life. |
| 00:09.31 | dlynes | greycat|home: can you do that from the command line, in a shell script? |
| 00:09.42 | abrotman | dlynes: use xml and fop |
| 00:09.56 | dlynes | abrotman: xml and flash operator panel? |
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| 00:10.26 | greycat|home | I can't think why you'd want to increase the number of PDFs in the world. |
| 00:10.27 | abrotman | dlynes: are you just trying to do this once or programatically ? |
| 00:10.40 | abrotman | greycat|home: my inbox is too empty ? |
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| 00:10.44 | dlynes | abrotman: programmatically, to generate invoices, based on input from a csr database |
| 00:11.04 | abrotman | dlynes: right .. xml/fop |
| 00:11.19 | dlynes | The only fop I know is 'flash operator panel' |
| 00:11.25 | dlynes | Which is a gui for a phone system |
| 00:11.33 | greycat|home | apt-cache show fop |
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| 00:12.13 | dlynes | bleh....then I need to learn xsl, and generate an xml file and an xsl file |
| 00:12.20 | dlynes | and run java on the server |
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| 00:13.05 | dlynes | but mind you...this utility uses qt, and the x11 libs |
| 00:13.15 | dlynes | so half of one, half dozen of another |
| 00:13.21 | dlynes | but I don't know xsl, either |
| 00:13.22 | abrotman | dlynes: it actually works pretty well .. and you can do more than just xml->pdf |
| 00:13.23 | greycat|home | s/half/six/ |
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| 00:13.52 | unomi | there are some php helpers for pdf generation |
| 00:13.58 | dlynes | eww |
| 00:14.18 | dlynes | cringes at the thought of another programming session with fpdf |
| 00:14.33 | dlynes | I'm not sure which is worse...fpdf or PDF::API2 |
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| 00:15.09 | unomi | that bad? just for generating invoices? |
| 00:15.19 | dlynes | unomi: nasty |
| 00:15.31 | dlynes | unomi: I want to generate one invoice once a month |
| 00:15.36 | abrotman | dlynes: for that matter .. why are you involving html at all ? |
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| 00:17.03 | dlynes | abrotman: I was originally trying to generate openoffice calc documents, but nobody knew anything about the openoffice classes for perl, so then they suggested pdf, and nobody knew anything about those libraries, either, so then they suggested html...well, I know html, so did that, and now I'm generating pdfs from it, because that's what I want to attach to the emails |
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| 00:17.56 | abrotman | dlynes: IIRC OO.org has its own document->PDF tool |
| 00:18.10 | azeem_ | yes |
| 00:18.14 | tczern | I have a debian installation on an ata drive for a 32bit system. Could I just clone the drive on a SATA and start in on a 64bit system or would this not work at all? |
| 00:18.36 | azeem_ | tczern: yes, but it would still be a 32bit system |
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| 00:19.10 | tczern | what if I re-install the kernel? |
| 00:19.10 | ravigehlot | I lost my PGP Keys for all my sources. Where are they available? |
| 00:19.10 | azeem_ | then it'd be a 64bit kernel on a 32bit system |
| 00:19.10 | dlynes | abrotman: could be...but I have something working that works for me, so I'm happy |
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| 00:19.22 | greycat|home | debian-archive-keyring |
| 00:19.26 | azeem_ | tczern: not a bad thing to have, anyway |
| 00:19.28 | azeem_ | just saying |
| 00:19.28 | tczern | nah, the new hardware environment is a 64bit system |
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| 00:20.07 | tczern | it could be this easy? Windows would not do this I believe |
| 00:20.12 | abrotman | dlynes: unoconv |
| 00:20.29 | tczern | I like me current installation, but the hardware and mobo isn't that cool |
| 00:20.45 | tczern | my* |
| 00:20.47 | ravigehlot | @greycat thanks |
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| 00:22.20 | azeem_ | tczern: 32bit Windows also runs on 64bit systems |
| 00:22.28 | azeem_ | not with a 64bit kernel, maybe |
| 00:22.59 | tczern | ok, but just swaping an installed OS from on PC to another? never tried this |
| 00:23.27 | azeem_ | well, Windows doesn't let you via its hardware dongling |
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| 00:25.07 | tczern | I have Windows on the same disk with Debian. So I could start Debian but windows won't work, right? |
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| 00:27.29 | azeem_ | tczern: dunno, but it might not |
| 00:27.47 | tczern | ok, I guess I'll find out |
| 00:27.50 | tczern | thanks! |
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| 00:29.38 | greycat|home | tczern: the device name for the disk may change from /dev/hd* to /dev/sd* on the SATA, so files like /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst may have to change |
| 00:30.10 | tczern | ok, good to know |
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| 00:43.48 | _Dave123_ | does anyone know how come port 50934 is opened on my server? or how can i see the process associated with it? whats thr right netstat switch? |
| 00:43.58 | greycat|home | lsof -i :50934 |
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| 00:44.20 | _Dave123_ | no result greycat|home |
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| 00:44.33 | greycat|home | or sudo netstat -antp | grep :50934 |
| 00:44.35 | _Dave123_ | oh wait got it now |
| 00:44.39 | _Dave123_ | had to sudo |
| 00:44.52 | lukosanthropos | sudo why is it always sudo |
| 00:45.26 | greycat|home | because typing su root -c '...' sucks more |
| 00:45.57 | _Dave123_ | rpc.statd - what is this process ? |
| 00:46.21 | greycat|home | part of NFS |
| 00:46.30 | _Dave123_ | ok |
| 00:46.32 | greycat|home | man rpc.statd |
| 00:46.41 | _Dave123_ | but reason it listens on that port? |
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| 00:46.47 | greycat|home | randomized port number |
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| 00:47.13 | greycat|home | RPC services register their random port number with portmap |
| 00:47.24 | greycat|home | so other things can find 'em |
| 00:47.54 | lukosanthropos | lol @greycat|home |
| 00:48.59 | project2501b | good question: is statd nessesary if you are just running a local server with no X? |
| 00:49.03 | project2501b | and no nfs |
| 00:49.18 | project2501b | and the portmap daemon |
| 00:49.27 | greycat|home | I'd say no |
| 00:49.33 | project2501b | is that necessary as well? |
| 00:49.56 | project2501b | i never quite understood which of the default programs use rpc calls |
| 00:49.59 | greycat|home | you could remove it and see what breaks |
| 00:50.10 | project2501b | hm |
| 00:50.20 | project2501b | true |
| 00:50.26 | project2501b | adds to todo list |
| 00:50.33 | project2501b | thank you |
| 00:51.22 | lukosanthropos | I've got a nice weird problem, my dvd drive won't mount dvds, cds no problem but dvds refuse to mount even manually |
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| 00:58.33 | AruNatsu | does anyone here use tiling WM? |
| 00:58.39 | AruNatsu | if so, which one do you use? |
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| 00:59.54 | abrotman | !polls |
| 00:59.54 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 01:00.31 | AruNatsu | lol =( |
| 01:01.07 | nsadmin | AruNatsu as you might imagine, you're not the first to have asked that... |
| 01:01.27 | AruNatsu | nsadmin: i bet :P |
| 01:01.39 | abrotman | ratpoison? awesome? tritium? |
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| 01:02.14 | AruNatsu | i was going to try subtle, but then it's not in the official repo and i'm too lazy to build it ;( |
| 01:02.30 | \amethyst | dpkg, polls =~ s/>./>. If you really want to know how many people use X, http://popcon.debian.org/ might be a good start./ |
| 01:02.39 | \amethyst | oh |
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| 01:03.44 | nsadmin | !good polls |
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| 01:07.29 | nsadmin | AruNatsu: unless you're saying you're too lazy to substitute your fingers for the assembler, compiler, linker and make utility, there's not much of an excuse... you're not trying subtle for the simple reason you don't want to |
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| 01:09.17 | AruNatsu | nsadmin: i'm downloading the source file atm :S |
| 01:09.45 | AruNatsu | i still need to install x before i proceed, though |
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| 01:10.34 | nsadmin | at least x client libs |
| 01:10.34 | nsadmin | and build-essential |
| 01:10.44 | AruNatsu | yeah |
| 01:11.00 | nsadmin | and (pick a wm that -is- in debian, using FOO as its name:) apt-get build-dep FOO |
| 01:11.21 | nsadmin | that should at least get you close |
| 01:11.43 | AruNatsu | maybe i should just stick with dwm or Awesome |
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| 01:12.08 | nsadmin | as long as you're satisfied with that |
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| 01:15.02 | heroxbd | Which deb package contains manpage section 2? |
| 01:15.42 | nsadmin | the thing is, if you install the build-deps of a package that's close to something that's unpackaged, you'll get the libs... if it's an x client (which all window managers are), you'll at minimum get the x client libs and their -dev parts |
| 01:16.13 | greycat|home | manpages-dev |
| 01:17.27 | heroxbd | greycat|home: Thank you! |
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| 01:21.45 | xeon-enouf | AruNatsu: apt-cache search x-window-manager |
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| 01:29.39 | rocketfish | im getting really crappy fps in opengl. glxinfo says dri in enabled. can someone help me troubleshoot? ive got a radeon 8500 and ive tried using the ati and radeon drivers |
| 01:30.48 | abrotman | ati will choose the correct driver |
| 01:30.55 | abrotman | how crappy is crappy ? |
| 01:30.59 | rocketfish | 200 fps |
| 01:31.04 | rocketfish | should be more like 2000 |
| 01:31.23 | abrotman | how do you know that ? glxgears isn't really a benchmark |
| 01:31.49 | rocketfish | glxgears usually reports 2000 |
| 01:31.49 | Kovensky | it isn't |
| 01:31.56 | Kovensky | but 200fps is too low even for glxgears |
| 01:32.03 | Kovensky | that's what it usually gives in unaccelerated systems |
| 01:32.12 | greycat|home | glxgears is the only well-known benchmark |
| 01:32.13 | rocketfish | i upgraded from lenny to sid and the fps dropped |
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| 01:32.24 | nsadmin | oh, sid... |
| 01:32.28 | rocketfish | i was getting 2000 before |
| 01:32.33 | Kovensky | he broke your toy! |
| 01:32.34 | abrotman | but it's not a benchmark |
| 01:32.35 | rocketfish | hahah |
| 01:32.37 | rocketfish | he did |
| 01:32.44 | nsadmin | restore from your backup then... |
| 01:33.08 | rocketfish | my backup? |
| 01:33.31 | rocketfish | backup xorg.conf? |
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| 01:36.25 | rocketfish | there are other things that make me think there is a problem with glx as well |
| 01:36.36 | nsadmin | didn't you just get through saying you were getting 2k f/s under lenny and only about 0.2k f/s under sid? |
| 01:36.40 | rocketfish | im using kde4 and none of the desktop effects work |
| 01:36.46 | rocketfish | yes that is right |
| 01:37.05 | nsadmin | what's the purpose of the machine? |
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| 01:37.24 | rocketfish | just a desktop for fun. and to learn on |
| 01:37.54 | nsadmin | ok, well obviously you can make all your own choices on that box |
| 01:38.04 | rocketfish | yes i can |
| 01:39.12 | nsadmin | stability probably isn't much of a concern since you probably don't do any real work on the box, or you have pro-grade backup plans and strategies implemented |
| 01:39.33 | rocketfish | correct |
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| 01:40.18 | nsadmin | so then your choices are at least, go back to lenny, or figure out what happened and fix it |
| 01:40.38 | rocketfish | i choose to figure it out and try to fix it which is why im here asking for help... |
| 01:41.20 | nsadmin | so you said before you had some suspicion about something else involving x? |
| 01:42.12 | rocketfish | no. i changed nothing since the upgrade |
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| 01:42.28 | rocketfish | and glxinfo reports that dri is enabled |
| 01:42.31 | nsadmin | wait, you said something... let me see... |
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| 01:44.16 | nsadmin | here it is, I found it... you said two things... |
| 01:44.22 | nsadmin | there are other things that make me think there is a problem with glx as well |
| 01:44.29 | nsadmin | im using kde4 and none of the desktop effects work |
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| 01:45.00 | rocketfish | yes |
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| 01:45.17 | rocketfish | like wobbly windows, etc |
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| 01:45.49 | nsadmin | so right now the only support you've found so far of those statements is your observation of the symptoms? |
| 01:45.59 | rocketfish | yes |
| 01:46.06 | nsadmin | if so... we need more info somehow |
| 01:46.31 | rgr | anyone know how I can turn off the gnome desktop bg image from the command line (I use xmonad as a WM) - I want to manually set it using xsetbg but gnome settings override it. |
| 01:46.34 | nsadmin | you have to find out why that's happening |
| 01:47.16 | nsadmin | hopefully you're right, and the answer to that will also affect this lack of f/s |
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| 01:47.31 | rocketfish | ok? |
| 01:48.08 | nsadmin | I -guess- that one good source of info is the X log |
| 01:48.34 | nsadmin | it'll be in /var/log/X* |
| 01:48.50 | markrian | rgr - I imagine you'll have to use gconftool and dig around in gconf settings for it |
| 01:48.59 | nsadmin | usually only root would be able to look in /var/log |
| 01:50.00 | greycat|home | no, /var/log/Xorg.0.log is user-readable |
| 01:50.07 | jazon | Hello I am currently doing a script to automatically add repository in my sources.list, is there a command to do like in ubuntu as there is the command add-apt-repository. I do this on debian lenny. |
| 01:50.24 | greycat|home | jazon: echo whatever >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:50.52 | jazon | thanks greycat|home |
| 01:51.03 | nsadmin | if you do that, every time you use aptitude it will sing you the whatever song |
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| 01:54.31 | rocketfish | xorg.log says that screen 0 is not dri capable. could that be it maybe? |
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| 01:56.36 | rocketfish | http://pastebin.com/d1c4ea565 |
| 01:57.13 | nsadmin | rocketfish: it would certainly explain performance approximating no 3d accel |
| 01:58.10 | nsadmin | next we have to find out why either (A) it's not compatible or (2) the x server thinks that's the case |
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| 01:58.39 | nsadmin | me think logical and organized! |
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| 02:01.14 | rocketfish | how would i go about why im getting that message? |
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| 02:09.50 | Multiply | I've tried to setup oidentd for quite some time now, but syslog keeps saying: "ERROR : NO-USER", when trying to authorize. I did setup oidentd.conf, and I did chmod the file in the home directory of the user, yet it keeps failing. |
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| 02:10.20 | Multiply | And I also restarted the oidentd serval times. :P What am I doing wrong? |
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| 02:22.40 | Tigerclaw093 | Hi, I am having trouble getting my wifi on a dell laptop debian squeeze with broadcom wifi driver |
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| 02:23.08 | abrotman | m-a a-i broadcom-sta .. i'm guessing |
| 02:23.20 | Tigerclaw093 | i install b43-fwcutter and bcml5 with ndiswrapper |
| 02:24.00 | simonrvn | does m-a have a search? |
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| 02:24.10 | simonrvn | (i don't think i have it installed) |
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| 02:24.44 | Tigerclaw093 | abortman it shows on terminal when i do iwconfig...but it does show up in wicd |
| 02:24.56 | Tigerclaw093 | it does not show on wicd |
| 02:24.56 | abrotman | eh? |
| 02:25.03 | abrotman | oh, i've never used wicd |
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| 02:27.00 | Tigerclaw093 | how do i turn essid key on |
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| 02:27.17 | abrotman | iwconfig |
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| 02:29.15 | Tigerclaw093 | iwconfig wlan0 key on? |
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| 02:31.37 | zophy | what's the diff between gvim-gtk and gvim-gnome ? |
| 02:32.06 | simonrvn | Tigerclaw093: read the manual dude, it has good examples... |
| 02:32.16 | simonrvn | zophy: no gnome deps in gtk version |
| 02:32.41 | Knightingale | is the 'i' in debian supposed to be prounced like the in in 'serious' or i in 'lie'? |
| 02:32.46 | simonrvn | zophy: apt-cache show foo would've shown you that... |
| 02:32.51 | simonrvn | !debian |
| 02:32.51 | dpkg | debian is probably http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 02:33.08 | simonrvn | ee |
| 02:33.19 | simonrvn | it's named after 2 people... |
| 02:33.29 | dondelelcaro | Knightingale: Deb+Ian |
| 02:33.34 | ultralazer | debian uses "deb" packages and suffix |
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| 02:33.48 | Knightingale | ah |
| 02:33.59 | zophy | show |
| 02:34.01 | zophy | k |
| 02:36.16 | zophy | i always thought the debians were an ancient jewish sect |
| 02:36.32 | zophy | a sect of what i dunno |
| 02:36.46 | zophy | is ian ever in this channel ? |
| 02:37.17 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 02:37.30 | simonrvn | there's been fakes... |
| 02:37.36 | zophy | heh |
| 02:41.05 | sauvin | Information about Debian GNU/kFreeBSD; there's supposedly a channel for this on Freenode. Anybody point me to it, please? |
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| 02:43.45 | ryan__ | is there a way to stop screen from auto closing? |
| 02:44.42 | obnauticus | Hmm, how does one use ssh password based authentication |
| 02:44.57 | obnauticus | This device I am trying to connect to does not accept keyboard interactive authentication |
| 02:44.58 | obnauticus | :( |
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| 02:45.56 | ryan__ | you should setup a script to auto send the authentication info(pass and username)? |
| 02:46.00 | ryan__ | could* |
| 02:46.26 | abrotman | !keys |
| 02:46.31 | esaym153 | anyway to install debian over vnc or ssh or something? |
| 02:46.37 | abrotman | !ssh keys |
| 02:46.37 | dpkg | [ssh keys] http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 02:46.47 | abrotman | !tell esaym153 about ssh install |
| 02:46.48 | esaym153 | The computer is in a bad place to try and stoop over with a keyboard... |
| 02:47.17 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:47.19 | esaym153 | hmm |
| 02:48.07 | ryan__ | like someones house that your stalking? |
| 02:48.20 | zophy | wow, did the guy who made xemacs die ? |
| 02:48.36 | zophy | i think 666.org was his domain |
| 02:48.52 | zophy | it's up for sale now |
| 02:48.57 | esaym153 | abrotman: I see http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1357 |
| 02:49.00 | esaym153 | thank you very much |
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| 02:50.50 | Poincare1 | ehllo. could someone please help me with a parrallel port problem? |
| 02:50.58 | Poincare1 | Here is the link i'm following: http://www.instructables.com/id/EEERSZMZKEEULPPFPJ/?files#files |
| 02:52.01 | Poincare1 | But, it gives me the errorr |
| 02:52.37 | Poincare1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.41 | Poincare1 | how can I fix this? |
| 02:52.43 | RogerW | ?? |
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| 02:53.01 | Poincare1 | what is the parrallel port in /dev? |
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| 03:07.20 | Dominicus_ | I'm trying to install Nvidia v190.32 beta, to support my GTX-275 because the 173.14.09 nvidia debian package version doesn't support it. But, the installer is complaining about wanting gcc 4.1. I have gcc 4.1, 4.2, and 4.3 installed. Is there a way to momentarily set gcc to use 4.1 via an environment variable or something so that there isn't some weird conflict of what gcc version the kernel module and what the kernel are both bui |
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| 03:09.34 | plt | anyone have few minutes to help me with this exim problem ? on pm or here please ? |
| 03:10.02 | abrotman | just ask your real question |
| 03:10.39 | plt | abrotman, i installed exim packages and ran the config |
| 03:10.57 | plt | when i do alpine and send a mail it seems to go, but can't see in the inbox. i used maildir in the config |
| 03:11.30 | plt | on the web i found somewhere i have to use a command called "maildirmake ~/Maildir/" |
| 03:11.41 | plt | i did not use that, since wasn't sure what it does |
| 03:14.17 | abrotman | i didn't say i would know .. |
| 03:14.45 | abrotman | check your mail logs though |
| 03:15.20 | abrotman | and it would create a maildir setup for that user |
| 03:15.40 | plt | ok can you tell me if the command above using maildirmake is ncessary ? |
| 03:16.57 | abrotman | i'd imagine so |
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| 03:23.07 | plt | ok |
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| 03:24.04 | AruNatsu | is there any guide or tutorial for X installation on Debian (Lenny, 5.03) ? |
| 03:24.14 | abrotman | AruNatsu: aptitude install xorg |
| 03:24.21 | abrotman | add your WM or DE that you want |
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| 03:24.41 | AruNatsu | abrotman: that was short :) |
| 03:24.53 | abrotman | so like if you want gnome .. aptitude install xorg gnome gdm |
| 03:25.05 | AruNatsu | i'll stick with openbox |
| 03:25.11 | abrotman | whichever |
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| 03:35.52 | AruNatsu | does debian automatically start all the damons in /etc/init.d? |
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| 03:36.20 | art3mis | I really need to stop typeing apt-get upgrade |
| 03:36.35 | art3mis | specially when I have unstable in my sources |
| 03:37.21 | somiaj | AruNatsu: no, there are links to the scripts in /etc/rc?.d depending on what run level your using. By default a link is up there, you can man update-rc.d for info on adding and removing the links, etc |
| 03:38.18 | somiaj | AruNatsu: though I belive most all programs when you install them invoke update-rc.d and set up the defaults which is to run/start up the damon via the /etc/init.d script |
| 03:38.33 | AruNatsu | somiaj: oh that makes sense :) |
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| 03:40.27 | plt | anyone tell how to change / remove alias for a username ? |
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| 03:41.31 | somiaj | What is the status for NTFS write in the new 2.6.x kernels. I heard a rumor its working now and can be trusted. Anyone confirm this and let me know what kernel version I should look for on a livecd to ensure I get the full rw NTFS support. |
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| 03:42.45 | somiaj | it apears the NTFS-3G is the way to go and what to look for? |
| 03:46.01 | ryan__ | ive been using the one on teh backtrack livecd its worked fine sense backtrack 3, not sure the version numbers |
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| 03:46.30 | Knightingale | does debian have to support for laptops or would i be better off with the ubuntu notebook remix? |
| 03:47.40 | art3mis | apt-get purge removed downloaded packages right? |
| 03:47.53 | art3mis | knight depends on the lappy |
| 03:47.59 | art3mis | and its netbook remix not notebook |
| 03:48.09 | somiaj | Knightingale: what do you mean by 'support' but yes debian will install and detect hardware on a good number of laptops just fine |
| 03:48.27 | somiaj | art3mis: what do you mean downloaded packages, are you wanting to get rid of the '*.deb' files or remove the software from your system? |
| 03:48.35 | art3mis | if you want a debian sorta based netbook install that loks pretty and has stuff go with mint ;) |
| 03:48.50 | art3mis | purge the .debs so it'll grab new ones not the ones it leeched before |
| 03:49.04 | Knightingale | somiaj, stuff like power buttons and standby and hibinate support |
| 03:49.13 | somiaj | art3mis: apt-get clean, apt-get auto-clean are the two things your looking for then |
| 03:49.20 | art3mis | ahh thanks |
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| 03:49.36 | somiaj | Knightingale: I'm sure debian can support all that, since they are not something I deal with I can't tell you how out of the box they will do so. |
| 03:50.08 | somiaj | art3mis: auto-clean only removes extra .deb files for software/version you DO NOT have installed |
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| 03:50.50 | art3mis | is it possible that something like autoremove will get rid of something that is needed? |
| 03:50.52 | Knightingale | ah okay. i should prob try ubuntu to save me some work in case there is a lot of configuration required |
| 03:51.02 | art3mis | knight: get mint |
| 03:51.14 | JPWis | hello ....I need some assistance in getting the debian lenny to see the firewire card and hard drive |
| 03:51.21 | art3mis | ubuntu is bloaty ;) |
| 03:51.31 | ryan__ | mint is bloaty'er |
| 03:51.40 | art3mis | but prettier ;) |
| 03:51.46 | ryan__ | lol |
| 03:51.54 | art3mis | bloat with pretty is tolerable |
| 03:51.58 | art3mis | ugly bloat isn't heh |
| 03:52.09 | somiaj | art3mis: it shouldn't, unless you have something on your machine installed from a non .deb [like source/third party binary] that is dependent on the libary |
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| 03:52.37 | art3mis | som: okay great, wasn't 100% sure on that one |
| 03:53.05 | somiaj | art3mis: yea it just suggest to remove packages flaged as a libary in which no other package has as a dependency. |
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| 03:53.22 | somiaj | s/no other/no other installed/ |
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| 03:55.14 | JP-Wis | Hello ...I switched from the web chat to this .... |
| 03:55.28 | macrobat | irc-client? |
| 03:55.35 | JP-Wis | is there anyone here that can help me get the debian lenny to see the firewire card and harddrive? |
| 03:55.58 | JP-Wis | yes (irc-client ...Colloguy |
| 03:57.04 | JP-Wis | hello? |
| 03:57.34 | art3mis | kind of depends what the problem is |
| 03:57.42 | art3mis | meh I wish my gdm would work again |
| 03:57.46 | JP-Wis | the debian is not seeing the card so the modules aren't getting loaded |
| 03:57.51 | art3mis | keeps flickering like its using the wrong graphics |
| 03:58.39 | JP-Wis | i had it working at one point but i forgot to take notes ....and hten I reloaded the debian |
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| 04:00.33 | JP-Wis | guess most folks are sleeping and rightfully so ..... |
| 04:01.52 | RustyNeedle | boosh |
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| 04:02.40 | Ryan52 | what tool can I use to make use of the eject and volume buttons on an apple keyboard? (I'm asking for different intentions...I really need to write a program that reacts to these, tho it seems those keys don't generate events, so I'm looking for an example) |
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| 04:03.28 | somiaj | Ryan52: so you have tried xev and not getting event from X from the key? I saw how to do that once, but let me see if I can find that link |
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| 04:04.09 | Ryan52 | well no, I was using my program that outputs all keydown events wxwidgets generates..I should have tried with ev. |
| 04:04.44 | somiaj | if you aren't getting any key event from pressing the key with xev you can go though things to get it to work...the link I had is dead now though. |
| 04:05.17 | Ryan52 | damn. |
| 04:05.45 | Ryan52 | somiaj: maybe the way back machine has it? what was the URL? |
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| 04:07.05 | somiaj | http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/9028 |
| 04:07.42 | somiaj | the article was "Multimedia/Internet Keyboards in GNU/Linux | Linux Gazette" I belive it went though how if xev didn't see it, you can from a tty set up your system to pass the key presses to X and then to label the event as some 'value' |
| 04:07.51 | somiaj | I'd assume your keys are going to be similar. |
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| 04:08.20 | somiaj | Ryan52: also looking up multimedia keyboards and google may help ya out too |
| 04:08.45 | Ryan52 | I tried, it wasn't as helpful as I had hoped. |
| 04:08.48 | Ryan52 | anyways, thanks for the info! |
| 04:10.04 | BlueG | I noticed that with recent updates in testing, the whole system crashes frequently and the last few times couldn't even get it to boot without crashing as soon as it tried to start X. But when I boot up with the old 2.6.26 kernel, it doesn't crash, but X eats processing time like crazy so the whole system runs like molasses. |
| 04:11.47 | plt | is libssl package same as openssl on debian, i don't find openssl at all |
| 04:11.50 | plt | what about gnutls ? |
| 04:12.48 | BlueG | I wonder what causes that? |
| 04:13.35 | bpun | sauvin, !selections |
| 04:13.40 | bpun | !selections |
| 04:13.40 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
| 04:14.05 | somiaj | plt: 'apt-cache show libssl0.9.8' under the description it says, "It is part of the OpenSSL implementation of SSL." |
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| 04:14.53 | somiaj | plt: packages also tell you what source they used, "Source: openssl" |
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| 04:17.27 | plt | ok |
| 04:17.42 | plt | gnutls is different i guess ? |
| 04:18.05 | plt | trying out the show ;-) |
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| 04:19.18 | Kirbon | how do you install debian from a live cd |
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| 04:21.40 | RustyNeedle | not sure if this is the place for this but |
| 04:22.02 | RustyNeedle | I just tried to dual boot with vista and debian, and now vista wont boot |
| 04:22.28 | RustyNeedle | its saying winload is missing or corrupted |
| 04:22.35 | RustyNeedle | that normal? |
| 04:22.46 | RustyNeedle | should I have installed debian first then windozes? |
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| 04:25.12 | nsadmin | Kirbon: it's not the usual way of installing... you can use a netinst cd to install the base, then if that netinst supports your nic, you can install packages as well |
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| 04:25.54 | nsadmin | the basic prereqs are enough ram and enough unpartitioned disk space |
| 04:26.19 | macrobat | RustyNeedle: the first thing to do would have been to backup the mbr |
| 04:26.33 | nsadmin | and probably the chainload space |
| 04:26.34 | macrobat | are you using grub2 or grub-legacy |
| 04:27.50 | RustyNeedle | not sure its the default grub on the Lenny 5.0.1 cd1 |
| 04:28.11 | bpun | RustyNeedle, doesnt matter.. but it might be easier to do linux after windows.. |
| 04:28.15 | simonrvn | probably grub1 |
| 04:28.37 | simonrvn | i've seen people recommend do windows then some linux |
| 04:28.52 | simonrvn | i've done that myself, and yes it's easier that way |
| 04:28.53 | RustyNeedle | bpun: thats what I thought, so thats how I did it |
| 04:29.37 | bpun | RustyNeedle, um.. just add the win entry to grub.. |
| 04:29.39 | simonrvn | easiest way to get wincrap included in grub1/2 config is installing os-prober and then running update-grub |
| 04:30.16 | simonrvn | as to why your 'winload' is 'corrupted', wtf knows |
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| 04:30.58 | bpun | RustyNeedle, well you can always try mounting the ntfs drive. |
| 04:31.06 | nsadmin | if it's getting to winload, would it be reasonable to assume grub did its job already? |
| 04:31.11 | simonrvn | yes |
| 04:31.57 | nsadmin | so perhaps grub is working... but maybe it overwrote the vista boot loader |
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| 04:32.36 | simonrvn | if it's on the same partition, it would o/w the mbr wincrap put, yes |
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| 04:33.02 | simonrvn | winload is probably confused when it sees the grub header instead of the win header |
| 04:33.42 | simonrvn | (i'm assuming winload is the hastalavista bootloader) |
| 04:33.57 | RustyNeedle | probably |
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| 04:37.03 | bpun | RustyNeedle, probably is not a technical solution |
| 04:37.22 | Zarathust | when I install stuff via aptitude do I only get binaries? |
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| 04:37.29 | Zarathust | Is there a way to get the sources too? |
| 04:37.30 | macrobat | edit boot.ini? i'm just guessing, i dont know anything about this |
| 04:37.47 | macrobat | Zarathust: apt-get source pkgname |
| 04:37.53 | Zarathust | thanks |
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| 04:38.14 | RustyNeedle | off to google with w3m yay! |
| 04:38.49 | macrobat | apt-get build-dep pkgname gets you the deps |
| 04:40.07 | macrobat | Zarathust: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976&p=238191 |
| 04:41.32 | RustyNeedle | ill try the os-prober after update |
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| 04:42.31 | AruNatsu | what's a good command-line program/daemon that can automatically connect to wireless connection that i specify? (other than network-manager) |
| 04:44.22 | Zarathust | i use wpa_supplicant |
| 04:44.58 | macrobat | AruNatsu: wicd |
| 04:45.26 | AruNatsu | Zarathust, macrobat: how do you guys connect to some new wireless connection outside ? |
| 04:45.39 | RustyNeedle | the vista grub entrys were added during install |
| 04:45.42 | AruNatsu | do you have to manuallly scan and make a new config file and run it? |
| 04:46.44 | macrobat | AruNatsu: wicd shows the network when i start it. if i use the gui i just click the "connect" button |
| 04:47.01 | AruNatsu | macrobat: what about in command line? |
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| 04:47.41 | macrobat | im not on my laptop right now. i havent done that in a while, sry :) |
| 04:47.42 | plt | does aptitude install * check for any errors in the file before install ? |
| 04:47.56 | plt | after downloading the package i mean |
| 04:47.59 | AruNatsu | macrobat: ah k |
| 04:52.04 | Zarathust | on the command line i use "ifconfig ath0 down" "iwconfig ath0 essid [network name]" "ifconfig ath0 up" "dhclient ath0" |
| 04:52.35 | Zarathust | you sometimes need to wait a few seconds before dhclient ath0 or else the network wont be correctly associated |
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| 04:53.32 | AruNatsu | Zarathust: yeah that's what i'm doing atm, but want to automate that process :S |
| 04:53.56 | AruNatsu | another question: is it safe to use lenny backports? how unstable/buggy is it? |
| 04:56.20 | simonrvn | um, it's built for lenny... |
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| 05:03.50 | art3mis | hrm wonder how badly I just screwed myself doing a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:05.58 | PIRATENTux | if you haven't done shit, not at all :p |
| 05:07.30 | art3mis | heh |
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| 05:09.19 | art3mis | oh that's good it removed mysql for me |
| 05:09.22 | art3mis | how pleasant |
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| 05:10.20 | art3mis | I think I hosed this box |
| 05:10.25 | art3mis | wheeeeee |
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| 05:14.48 | art3mis | or maybe not |
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| 05:17.47 | art3mis | neat |
| 05:18.09 | art3mis | the previous "screwed" actually fixed my previous update |
| 05:18.09 | art3mis | not sure how that worked |
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| 05:20.08 | Ese | Hi, does anybody know how can I get to work my internet connection via USB modem? |
| 05:20.21 | Ese | I have a Siemes SpeedStream 4200 |
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| 05:22.18 | simonrvn | art3mis: the magic of deps ;p |
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| 05:27.53 | art3mis | simon: heh yeah |
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| 05:28.21 | art3mis | if only my win7 install would magically make my DL burner work again |
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| 05:28.42 | art3mis | then I wouldnt have to go spent 200?$ on a BRB |
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| 05:55.19 | bpun | i noticed that running kde apps (say scrolling the mouse over the menu bar and viewing the menu bar lists), the refresh is very slow --- running kde apps in gnome is slow, but kde apps in kde is fast, why is this? any tricks i can use? |
| 05:56.28 | bpun | also notices gnome apps run faster under kde rather than gnomeapps on gnome! ? |
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| 06:00.48 | bpun | should i report gnome has gnome-apps menu lists appearing **slow ? |
| 06:01.04 | bpun | (kde running gnome apps, run 10x better when viewing the menubar lists) |
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| 06:03.04 | bpun | ok thanks.. i gotta test my kde autostart.. :) |
| 06:03.58 | redstick | !sources |
| 06:03.59 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 06:21.54 | Linux-IRC | fdisk -l get /dev/hda4 in other machine i see /dev/sda4 , How can make this hda4 to sda4? 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 06:22.04 | Linux-IRC | Kerne: 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 06:24.43 | simonrvn | i doubt it makes a diff to fdisk |
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| 06:25.50 | echosystm | hi guys |
| 06:26.16 | echosystm | i just installed gnome-core and it seems to be opening "places" in some kind of weird cut-down nautilus |
| 06:26.32 | echosystm | ubuntu, arch and every other distro ive ever used dont do this |
| 06:26.52 | echosystm | is there something i need to configure to get it to use the normal nautilus? |
| 06:27.54 | PrickelPit | echosystm, you can set tis in the preferences |
| 06:28.04 | echosystm | whereabouts? |
| 06:28.13 | echosystm | i tried preferred apps, its not in there |
| 06:28.25 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: Why is it different from one machine to another? hda>sda> ? |
| 06:28.50 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: Is there any way to change this? |
| 06:29.10 | PrickelPit | echosystm, you are missing the "places" on the left side of nautilus, right? |
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| 06:30.06 | echosystm | yes, and: folders open in new windows and most of the preferences are not accessible |
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| 06:30.26 | echosystm | i dont think it even shows the directory structure line |
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| 06:31.53 | PrickelPit | echosystm, look at this preferences http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=bildschirmfoto-115zn.png |
| 06:32.05 | PrickelPit | its german, but you should set the options like that |
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| 06:32.33 | echosystm | oh no |
| 06:32.36 | echosystm | this is not what i mean |
| 06:32.39 | zophy | with gnome how do i associate file types with applications ? |
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| 06:32.53 | echosystm | you know the gnome menu: applications / places / system |
| 06:33.10 | PrickelPit | yes |
| 06:33.15 | echosystm | whenever i open something in places, it doesn't open it in the full version of nautilus, it's some kind of weird cut down version |
| 06:33.37 | echosystm | ie. not the same as applications -> accessories -> file manager |
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| 06:34.06 | echosystm | ive never seen this before |
| 06:34.16 | PrickelPit | upload a screenshot pls |
| 06:34.40 | echosystm | im not at home at the moment |
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| 06:34.58 | echosystm | i just figured, since this is a new install, it must be common and someone would know the answer already |
| 06:35.06 | echosystm | i will come back when i get home and ask then perhaps? |
| 06:35.28 | PrickelPit | i bet you simple have to configure the nautilus in its preferences |
| 06:36.02 | PrickelPit | debian always has nautilus stuff disabled on a fresh setup |
| 06:36.10 | echosystm | mm |
| 06:36.22 | echosystm | well, the thing is this weird nautilus that opens up |
| 06:36.28 | echosystm | it has virtually no preferences |
| 06:36.35 | echosystm | it is cut down in every way |
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| 06:39.34 | Linux-IRC | Is there any default sound after loging into gnome? I can't hear any sound.But I hear sound in KDE.How can i test login sound in gnome? |
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| 06:44.32 | zrin | i've created /dev/md1 as raid10 with 4 drives (lenny with 2.6.30 bpo), now dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/md1 gives very bad write performance (under 20 MiB/s) and it appears that md is reading from 2 of the drives (while writing to the array). write performance of a single drive is 80-100 MiB/s ... that does not seem "normal", or does it? |
| 06:44.54 | simonrvn | bah. ask and leave? annoying. |
| 06:45.12 | simonrvn | zrin: did you wait for the sync to finish? |
| 06:46.01 | zrin | simonrvn: I've created it witl --assume-clean, because I want to cryptsetup luksFormat it and fill then |
| 06:47.00 | zrin | simonrvn: on the next try I created it normally, but the sync went very slow as well (monitoring with gkrellm) |
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| 06:47.10 | simonrvn | that doesn't answer my question. |
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| 06:48.17 | zrin | simonrvn: there is no initial sync with --assume-clean, so no need to wait (?) |
| 06:48.27 | simonrvn | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 06:48.52 | simonrvn | no, but never hurts to check... |
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| 06:50.31 | zrin | simonrvn: I've deleted it in the meantime, but mdstat read "clean", 4 of 4 devices |
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| 06:51.07 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 06:52.13 | zrin | simonrvn: now I'm zeroing the partitions and thet goes fast for a single disk, but zeroing all 4 at the same time (doing it now) gives me 100% CPU usage (two cores) and write speed of ~40 MiB/s (compared to ~100 MiB/s for a single drive) |
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| 06:53.25 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: Hello |
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| 06:54.16 | simonrvn | shouldn't be that much overhead |
| 06:54.33 | echosystm | how do i get a nice looking framebuffer in debian? |
| 06:54.34 | zrin | simonrvn: two of the disks are on the onboard SATA controller (AMD chipset) and two on Promise tx4302 controller; onboard seems to be a bit faster |
| 06:54.44 | echosystm | is it just a matter of adding vga=XXX to the boot? |
| 06:55.54 | k-t | -- question is... what if you're /NOT/ using a boot manager? |
| 06:56.05 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: What's DFSG compatible from Administration>Software Source |
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| 06:56.30 | simonrvn | Linux-IRC: install zrms |
| 06:56.37 | simonrvn | Linux-IRC: er, vrms |
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| 06:56.58 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: What's zrms and vrms? And what's er? |
| 06:57.42 | simonrvn | you're kidding right? |
| 06:58.02 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: No,I'm not. |
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| 06:58.26 | simonrvn | er is me realising i made a typo, and correcting it |
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| 06:59.09 | zrin | what version of typo are you correcting ;) |
| 06:59.10 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: Installed vrms. |
| 07:00.04 | simonrvn | now run it, and find out |
| 07:00.16 | simonrvn | zrin: ;p |
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| 07:01.01 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: Ye,Nice tool.Thank you. |
| 07:01.08 | simonrvn | :) |
| 07:01.52 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: Can you tell why fdisk -l show /dev/hda5 instead of /dev/sda5 in debian lenny? |
| 07:02.12 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: Why hda? |
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| 07:02.27 | simonrvn | your kernel decides that. |
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| 07:02.56 | simonrvn | it's using the IDE sub-system instead of the SCSI/SATA one |
| 07:03.09 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 07:03.22 | simonrvn | that won't matter very much |
| 07:03.39 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: Is it possible to make it show sda? |
| 07:04.00 | simonrvn | you'd have to rebuild it |
| 07:04.13 | simonrvn | it's not a big deal, frankly |
| 07:04.16 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: How? |
| 07:04.25 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: How to rebuild? |
| 07:04.38 | simonrvn | if you're asking that, i would suggest you hold off for a while. |
| 07:04.39 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: If i do upgrade will it do the job? |
| 07:04.57 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:05.10 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: That's shocking. |
| 07:05.22 | simonrvn | not really |
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| 07:06.11 | plt | what's the name of the package to use with apache with ssl ? libapache-mod-ssl doesn't show anything |
| 07:06.34 | simonrvn | add a 2 after 'apache' and i think ssl too |
| 07:06.58 | simonrvn | better yet |
| 07:07.06 | simonrvn | !+tell plt -about search |
| 07:07.07 | dpkg | told plt about search. |
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| 07:07.32 | plt | ok |
| 07:07.32 | Linux-IRC | plt: sudo aptitude search libapache2-mod-ssl2 |
| 07:07.42 | plt | ok |
| 07:07.54 | simonrvn | don't need to use sudo to do a search with aptitude ;) |
| 07:08.22 | simonrvn | it's like using ifconfig, read-only is fine as non-root |
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| 07:09.12 | Linux-IRC | plt: aptitude search libapach2-mod |
| 07:09.25 | plt | yeah i got them |
| 07:09.35 | plt | a website says use mod-ssl |
| 07:09.38 | plt | but i found only gnutls |
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| 07:09.53 | plt | will all browsers work with apache and gnutls for https ? or do i need specifically mod-ssl ? |
| 07:12.17 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: How can install kernel from dvd debian 5.0.2?I have installed from 5.0.1.In another pc debian 5.0.2 was installed.And there it show /dev/sda. |
| 07:12.28 | simonrvn | it'll be ok i think. though i'd check the readmes and stuff |
| 07:12.35 | simonrvn | plt: ^^^ |
| 07:12.47 | plt | ok |
| 07:12.50 | simonrvn | Linux-IRC: you can do it via the 'net |
| 07:14.19 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: What's the command? |
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| 07:14.43 | simonrvn | your favourite app, aptitude ;) |
| 07:15.53 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: sudo aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 07:15.54 | bpun | anybody knows how to add custom action/context menu item for konqueror ? (filemanagement mode).. i'd like to be able to see "send to editor" |
| 07:16.13 | bpun | (on any file) |
| 07:17.24 | simonrvn | Linux-IRC: not quite; do aptitude -u (that'll run an update on start); then you can pick your kernel and other updates |
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| 07:18.18 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: I got something here http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#how-to-recover |
| 07:19.15 | simonrvn | sure |
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| 07:22.37 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: aptitude -u sudo: aptiutde: command not found |
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| 07:26.25 | Linux-IRC | simonrvn: aptitude -u sudo: aptiutde: command not found |
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| 07:28.10 | liable | typo.. |
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| 07:32.16 | freeone3000 | Is it preferred to leave the release desired (stable, testing, unstable, (experimental)) or the release name in your sources.list file? |
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| 07:33.08 | liable | doesn't really matter. except when a release comes out, for testing and stable. |
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| 07:35.08 | gasull | Hi all. I've been following directions for tethering: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothDialup Now I get this error in my /var/log/messages when I run pon BluetoothDialup: http://dpaste.com/95775/ How can I fix it? Thank you. |
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| 07:36.33 | elops | i'm trying to extract the boot sector from the partition when i selected it to be installed, using recue disk but it says no such file or dir?? anynone? |
| 07:36.53 | liable | extract it? |
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| 07:37.36 | elops | yes |
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| 07:38.06 | liable | what exactly do you mean by that? |
| 07:38.14 | elops | i ran `it`, and the output was 'no such file or dir' |
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| 07:39.35 | Arafangion | How do I burn an ISO image with my dvd burner? It apparently does not support TAO recording. (Using dvdrecord) |
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| 07:40.01 | liable | you tried growisofs? |
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| 07:40.36 | xand | I always use wodim |
| 07:40.55 | liable | i still hate that name.. |
| 07:41.05 | xand | heh |
| 07:41.53 | Arafangion | liable: Is that meant for me? |
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| 07:42.18 | liable | aye |
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| 07:42.28 | Arafangion | Why would I want growisofs? |
| 07:42.38 | Arafangion | I don't want to resize anything - I just want to write an existing iso. |
| 07:42.53 | cahoot | wodim wfm |
| 07:43.12 | liable | its a frontend for wodim and shit |
| 07:43.36 | liable | look it up noob before you try and lart me :P |
| 07:43.37 | Arafangion | gnomebaker just worked, I'll try growisofs for the next one. I usually seem to prefer command line tools. |
| 07:43.53 | Arafangion | Well, it's a *very* misleading name! |
| 07:43.59 | liable | heh, i know |
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| 07:44.29 | Arafangion | Hmm, 34 minutes (and growing) for this DVD to burn... |
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| 07:44.48 | Arafangion | Old hardware, man it will be interesting when I get my new machine (eventually) |
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| 07:45.19 | liable | !wfm |
| 07:45.19 | dpkg | [wfm] Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
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| 07:45.43 | elops | sda4 does exist i mounted it, the bootloader i selected to be installed to partition 4 is grub2, boot loader is currently win 7, i installed deb first though and it did not boot up, i thought this was because its not in the mbr? |
| 07:45.53 | elops | dd if=/dev/sda4 of=/tmp/linux.bin bs=512 count=1 |
| 07:45.55 | elops | is complaining |
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| 07:47.37 | JPT | mh |
| 07:48.01 | JPT | elops: did you change anything on your partitions between the point of backing up your mbr and restoring it? |
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| 07:48.18 | JPT | (moveing partitions, resizing them,...) |
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| 07:53.04 | Kasreyn | i reinstalled debian (lenny) and now my fonts in X are small and sucky. anyone know how to fix? |
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| 07:53.56 | elops | all i did was this, deb install, selected do not install to mbr, install to sda4 grub2, reboot, deb could not boot, no bootloader / os found, proceeded to installed win 7, win 7 installed, boot up deb resuce cd, issued commands, 1 mount sda4 to a dir "disk" 2 chroot /disk 3 dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/tmp/linux.bin bs=512 count=1 |
| 07:55.22 | elops | Kast command failed with no such file - dir |
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| 07:56.06 | cahoot | Kasreyn: check what you dpi is set too |
| 07:56.13 | cahoot | s/too/to/ |
| 07:56.20 | elops | cahoot: any ideas here pls? |
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| 07:56.44 | cahoot | about win7 and grub2 - sorry no clue at all |
| 07:56.45 | elops | is that dd command trying to extract the mbr boot sector, or the grub2 sector somewhere on sda4 when i selected it to be installed there? |
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| 07:59.47 | cahoot | elops: dd if=/dev/sda4 bs=512 count=1 | strings - not mention of grub? |
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| 08:00.20 | elops | what do you mean? |
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| 08:01.12 | elops | thing is i don't want grub to be in control, i want win 7 to, i know what to do on that side of thing just need this one file |
| 08:01.14 | cahoot | elops: run dd if=/dev/sda4 bs=512 count=1 | strings - see the word grub? |
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| 08:01.39 | elops | is this command still correct under rescue mode? dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/tmp/linux.bin bs=512 count=1 |
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| 08:02.03 | elops | one sec cahoot |
| 08:02.07 | fredl | hi guys. I'm trying to decide how to set up my disks on my home server. I'm tempted to set up a RAID 1 covering all the storage on my two 1.5TB drives and put logical volumes on that RAID 1. Are there any good reasons to make multiple RAID 1 partitions (or maybe other, or leave space free) ? |
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| 08:02.20 | elops | strings: command not found |
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| 08:03.10 | fredl | eventually I'll also add other OS's on this box but all will be virtual, so I'm thinking those virtual hosts can use the big RAID 1 anyway so why bother leaving space free. Is that solid reasoning or am I forgetting something? |
| 08:03.27 | Kasreyn | this could be why my fonts are so small?: xdpyinfo | grep resolution: resolution: 45x57 dots per inch |
| 08:03.56 | elops | cahoot: strings: command not found |
| 08:04.05 | snappy | fredl: Is htis separate from a system disk, or do these disks double as your systme disk? |
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| 08:04.20 | Kasreyn | now i only need to know how to set the dpi in a proper debianized way |
| 08:04.22 | fredl | snappy - they double as my system disk in this setup. |
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| 08:05.09 | elops | should i try reinstall grub to that partition? or just reformat everything and do it all over? |
| 08:05.35 | cahoot | elops: sorry you're presently running win7? |
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| 08:06.23 | elops | or maybe i need root privileges for the dd command? or something? |
| 08:07.08 | fredl | when creating a Xen or KVM virtual host for example, that all gets installed on the base OS's storage, correct? |
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| 08:07.45 | elops | cahoot: win7 is installed and in control of mbr, but i'm presently in deb rescue disk |
| 08:08.05 | cahoot | ok |
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| 08:09.13 | fredl | hmm I guess most on here are still asleep :-) |
| 08:09.51 | cahoot | 'most on here' are not 'on here' |
| 08:09.59 | fredl | :-) |
| 08:10.12 | elops | ? |
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| 08:12.14 | cahoot | elops: I was just trying to help you find out if grub actually was installed on sda4, seems your livecd lacks 'strings' |
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| 08:13.32 | elops | what to do? |
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| 08:13.58 | cahoot | elops: what 'error' do you get when running your original dd command? |
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| 08:19.08 | nsadmin | elops whether the command is correct or not depends on what the rescue media thinks /dev/sda and sda4 are |
| 08:19.28 | nsadmin | and what you think they are |
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| 08:20.04 | nsadmin | elops you're not responding to questions, so I'm assuming you don't find your situation very important |
| 08:20.16 | elops | I am |
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| 08:20.19 | elops | just trying to get it |
| 08:20.21 | elops | hold on plss |
| 08:20.36 | nsadmin | so what do you want to accomplish |
| 08:21.07 | Knightingale | hey guys i've got a linux partition with / including the whole os. i'd like to keep /home which is massive and install debian on the parition. can you think of any easy work arounds to prevent me to copying /home to temp storage? |
| 08:21.51 | elops | it says /dev/sda4 : no such file or dir |
| 08:22.13 | cahoot | elops: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 08:25.01 | elops | no such file or dir |
| 08:25.04 | simonrvn | Knightingale: is /home a separate part. ? |
| 08:25.08 | elops | thats what I get |
| 08:25.15 | simonrvn | so mount it then |
| 08:25.15 | elops | fter i installed grub2 to the linux partition instead of mbr, should it have booted after the restart? |
| 08:25.22 | JarlG1 | When attempting to open an installation.exe, a window pops up telling me that libnss-mdns is installed, but lib32nss-mdns is not. Wine will therefore not be able to acess the internet. After this, nothing happens, |
| 08:25.24 | elops | simonrvn me? |
| 08:25.28 | JarlG1 | What might be wrong? |
| 08:25.38 | elops | my command prompt looks like this now: after the chroot sh-3.2# |
| 08:26.19 | elops | if i do a ls, it shows proc and all the other dirs |
| 08:26.20 | Knightingale | simonrvn no :( |
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| 08:26.42 | elops | i did a ls in proc and there is nothing in there |
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| 08:28.38 | Knightingale | next time i'm tempted to create a seperate part for /home |
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| 08:29.21 | cahoot | elops: how about fdisk -l /dev/sda? |
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| 08:33.44 | elops | maybe I should run it as root? |
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| 08:36.41 | elops | maybe mount -t procfs procfs /proc ? |
| 08:36.52 | Knightingale | is it possible to encrypt the / partition with /boot etc? |
| 08:37.29 | simonrvn | Knightingale: gonna be hard to do that then |
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| 08:37.40 | elops | mount: procfs has wrong device number or fs type procfs not supported |
| 08:37.45 | elops | simonrvn: any idea here? |
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| 08:38.58 | Knightingale | bugger i'll just have to delete my porn then |
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| 08:42.35 | elops | mount -n /proc /proc -t proc |
| 08:42.36 | elops | worked |
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| 08:43.44 | nsadmin | ls /proc |
| 08:43.51 | nsadmin | see if it looks reasonable |
| 08:44.01 | nsadmin | lots of dirs with numbers |
| 08:44.10 | nsadmin | you should see version |
| 08:44.16 | nsadmin | partitions |
| 08:44.19 | nsadmin | among others |
| 08:44.20 | elops | I think i will just reinstall, can someone just tell me when i get to the install grub to mbr or partition, if i install to a partition will it boot after restart? |
| 08:45.07 | nsadmin | I'll probably be asleep... this would be nonresponsive part deux |
| 08:46.11 | nsadmin | that's unknown because we dont know what's on your mbr atm |
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| 08:54.19 | fredl | if you had a choice, would you partition two 1.5TB SATA disks into one RAID 1 partition or in multiple RAID 1 partitions and why? |
| 08:55.26 | fredl | is there any performance / flexibility penalty on using multipe compared to only one? |
| 08:55.28 | frostschutz | fredl: I would do RAID on the disk level, because if one of the disk dies, you have to rebuild everything anyway and it's annoying to do it for each partition |
| 08:55.30 | acidtripper | for what such capacity? |
| 08:55.58 | fredl | acidtripper - because I can. |
| 08:56.12 | fredl | frostschutz, you mean you would NOT do RAID? |
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| 08:57.02 | acidtripper | i can too |
| 08:57.10 | frostschutz | fredl: maybe I misunderstood you... :) are you doing (software) raid per partition or not? |
| 08:57.14 | acidtripper | but for what are you going to use it? |
| 08:57.22 | acidtripper | pidgin and some musica.. lol |
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| 08:57.28 | acidtripper | music |
| 08:57.36 | frostschutz | fredl: I also don't do raid at home since I don't need 24/7 availability at home |
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| 08:57.42 | fredl | acidtripper, movies, music, multiple OS's |
| 08:57.53 | acidtripper | ja |
| 08:58.09 | fredl | frostschutz, yes I intend to do software raid as I don't have hardware raid :) |
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| 08:58.27 | fredl | and since raid is better than non-raid IMO. |
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| 08:58.42 | frostschutz | fredl: then I'd do one raid for the whole disk, not several raids on each partition |
| 08:59.20 | fredl | frostschutz, multiple raids don't offer any extra benefit IMO, you agree? |
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| 09:00.13 | frostschutz | fredl: no extra benefits and many downsides imo. imagine you want to resize partitions. if the whole disk is a raid you can just resize it like with a normal disk. if you have separate raids on those partitions you have to make the changes on two disks somehow. |
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| 09:00.51 | fredl | I'm also wondering if I should leave some free space on my disks but when I start adding virtual servers they will all be able to use the RAID partitions so I don't think I will need any unpartitioned space ever. |
| 09:01.08 | frostschutz | fredl: use lvm ;) |
| 09:01.15 | mavhc | old style partitions are pointless |
| 09:01.20 | fredl | well I'll use lvm on top of the raids yeah. |
| 09:01.38 | fredl | that's VERY easy to use once you get the hang of it. |
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| 09:02.09 | mavhc | I'll probably use zfs when I build my nas |
| 09:02.17 | fredl | so one big RAID over the two disks and multiple logical volumes over that... |
| 09:02.38 | fredl | mavhc, is zfs available for linux ? |
| 09:02.51 | xand | only via FUSE... so not really |
| 09:03.22 | fredl | so you'd have to install Solaris as a base system then. I'd do that too if I had more experience with Solaris. |
| 09:03.52 | mavhc | that is one of the problems, the other being recovery tools |
| 09:04.11 | fredl | as the last time I tried Solaris 11, I liked it a lot but it wasn't anywhere near the hardware support Linux had. |
| 09:04.13 | mavhc | by the time I get round to anything they'll be written |
| 09:04.40 | xand | freebsd supports zfs c.c |
| 09:04.45 | fredl | so I think I'll just stick to the plan of setting up some Solaris 11 virtual servers on my box. |
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| 09:06.27 | fredl | but use Debian as base OS :) |
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| 09:06.49 | fredl | freebsd... I dunno. |
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| 09:07.17 | NicoOOoOo | svp all c'est quoi le numéro infoconso de sfr pour des forfait bloqués ?! |
| 09:07.30 | acidtripper | how is freebsd? |
| 09:07.44 | rdm | do you know if some lib of ubuntu studio go in conflict with flashplayer plugins ??? |
| 09:07.49 | rdm | hi boys |
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| 09:08.02 | fredl | I dunno :) People say good things about it. |
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| 09:08.16 | fredl | boys? |
| 09:08.45 | rdm | becouse i ve you tube not work correctly |
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| 09:11.09 | nsadmin | rdm: ubuntu support is 5 floors down, take a right, go into where it says men's bathroom, turn right, left, right, go 99 miles straight south then turn left, go 99 miles, pull into the gas station, walk into the ministore and say "whar the hell am I?" |
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| 09:11.53 | rdm | excuse me |
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| 09:12.00 | mavhc | or walk through that door marked #ubuntu |
| 09:12.07 | fredl | :) |
| 09:12.22 | rdm | in ubuntu |
| 09:12.24 | rdm | say to me |
| 09:12.32 | rdm | try in debian |
| 09:12.37 | rdm | there can help you |
| 09:12.50 | rdm | but they wrong |
| 09:12.55 | rdm | bye |
| 09:12.57 | nsadmin | okok, what's your uname -r? |
| 09:13.13 | nsadmin | are you running ubuntu? |
| 09:13.22 | nsadmin | if so it's likely they are wrong |
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| 09:16.35 | Misterjos | Sep 20 10:45:01 DAVID-DEBIAN /USR/SBIN/CRON[5310]: (root) CMD (if [ -x /usr/bin/vnstat ] && [ `ls /var/lib/vnstat/ | wc -l` -ge 1 ]; then /usr/bin/vnstat -u; fi) |
| 09:16.35 | Misterjos | Sep 20 10:45:01 DAVID-DEBIAN /USR/SBIN/CRON[5314]: (www-data) CMD (php /usr/share/cacti/site/poller.php >/dev/null 2>/var/log/cacti/poller-error.log) |
| 09:16.40 | Misterjos | what does this mean? |
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| 09:17.38 | Misterjos | poller-error.log gives: "sh: -q: command not found |
| 09:17.38 | Misterjos | sh: -: command not found |
| 09:17.38 | Misterjos | " |
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| 09:20.01 | H2S04 | What do realtors do anyways? |
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| 09:21.02 | majhool | Misterjos: well, i'd wager you have a bug in poller.php |
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| 09:21.56 | nsadmin | H2S04: buy and sell real estate, and represent people who want to do the same |
| 09:22.13 | majhool | Misterjos: it appears to be trying to exec() something but it's messed up the command |
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| 09:24.16 | Misterjos | can it be the cause of mysterious computer shut-offs majhool? There is no powerdown procedure, like the power falls away. Can i do something about it? |
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| 09:25.59 | majhool | Misterjos: why not start by reading through poller.php? i'd grep for -q |
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| 09:26.43 | Misterjos | because i'm no expert in programming, just an ordinary computer user. Besides i dont need the program atm. |
| 09:26.53 | echosystm | i just isntalled debian64 and dns lookups are taking a ridiculous ammount of time |
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| 09:27.12 | echosystm | seems other people have experienced similar (according to google) |
| 09:27.19 | echosystm | has anyone heard of this? |
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| 09:27.51 | Walex | echosystm: right now, all members of this channel. :-) |
| 09:28.03 | echosystm | ? |
| 09:28.06 | cahoot | ipV6-related? |
| 09:28.14 | echosystm | so this is a well known problem? |
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| 09:28.46 | echosystm | oh |
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| 09:28.56 | echosystm | i get it.. |
| 09:29.13 | majhool | Misterjos: well, as i don't know the particulars of cacti or your setup, that's about where my advice ends. but don't be afraid of looking through the source to see what it's doing, so long as you don't open the file as root. |
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| 09:29.29 | echosystm | perhaps its my router brb |
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| 09:29.50 | majhool | Misterjos: you might try asking in the cacti support channel |
| 09:30.03 | Misterjos | ok, thanks majhool |
| 09:30.16 | majhool | Misterjos: good luck |
| 09:30.46 | jaalto | Is there a way to check what is the Window Manager in use? Suppose you've logged into the GDM and it starts some WM. How do you know what it is running? Is the information stored somewhere? |
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| 09:31.08 | Misterjos | i was digging in the log files because my computer experiences these strange random shut-offs, there is no powerdown procedure, and no notice in any log file. |
| 09:31.52 | Misterjos | smells like a hardware problem, but it started since i upgraded from lenny 5.0.2 to 5.0.3 |
| 09:32.53 | nsadmin | nono, that's my cousin's popcorn |
| 09:33.14 | majhool | Misterjos: again, i don't know the particulars of your setup, but i can't easily imagine how that php script might cause your computer to shutdown at random |
| 09:33.42 | majhool | Misterjos: so unfortunately i'd wager something in the hardware |
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| 09:33.46 | Misterjos | me neither so i'm scratching my head. |
| 09:34.22 | fredl | so.... if you had 2 SATA disks and decided to put a RAID 1 partition on them, but you had enough money to go buy a third disk, would you do that and set up a RAID 5 instead? |
| 09:34.35 | Misterjos | well, i guess i'll have to vacuum clean my desktop |
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| 09:35.41 | frostschutz | fredl: no. |
| 09:36.01 | fredl | RAID 5 gives additional performance though right? |
| 09:36.14 | fredl | or is that negligible on SATA? |
| 09:37.06 | frostschutz | fredl: if you want performance, get ssd |
| 09:37.41 | Arafangion | Fuse is supposed to be highly competitive with native filesystems, except that the core system can't use it. |
| 09:37.50 | Arafangion | Oh man, I'm *hours* lagged. |
| 09:37.56 | Arafangion | Ignore that! |
| 09:37.57 | fredl | well I don't neccesarily want extra performance so badly but in the past I've read that RAID5 is preferable over RAID 1. |
| 09:38.00 | Arafangion | fixes his buffer |
| 09:38.18 | frostschutz | fredl: a good backup is preferable over raid :) |
| 09:38.46 | Arafangion | fredl: I plan to do striping for RAID, and have a backup. |
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| 09:39.02 | Arafangion | fredl: ie, 4 HDD's, and pure striping. :) |
| 09:39.03 | fredl | welll... not very sure about that to be honest. If a disk fails on a RAID volume you can immediately switch to the second disk. |
| 09:39.17 | Arafangion | fredl: What if another fails inside of 5 min? |
| 09:39.25 | Arafangion | fredl: What if you accidentally delete something? |
| 09:39.42 | fredl | Arafangion, it's possible yes, but very unlikely and I will also make backups anyway :) |
| 09:39.44 | Arafangion | fredl: What if a gremlin arrives who insists that you should do a dance to voodoo or something on a pink moon? |
| 09:39.54 | fredl | :) |
| 09:40.18 | Arafangion | fredl: And way I see it... If you've got a backup... Might as well go for raw performance if you can get away with it. |
| 09:40.25 | frostschutz | fredl: the more disks you have the faster it should be because more disks read more data - so it's not really raid1 vs raid5. I suggest you just run some benchmarks of your own |
| 09:40.35 | Arafangion | fredl: For desktops, anyway. Servers need really insane reliability. |
| 09:40.48 | fredl | I also noticed that an md sync takes a LONG time, hours in fact, so it's not even 'what if the second disk fails 5 minutes later' |
| 09:41.14 | fredl | well this will be a serverdesktop that I'm building :) |
| 09:41.24 | fredl | for lack of a better word. |
| 09:41.27 | frostschutz | fredl: even without any overhead writing a whole disk takes hours already, so naturally rebuilding a raid takes that long too |
| 09:41.28 | Arafangion | fredl: Added to that that the HDD's in a RAID volume tend to be identical, such that statistically they're more likely to die closer to each other, unless I'm mistaken. |
| 09:41.44 | Arafangion | fredl: In the reliability stakes, it's either a desktop, or a server. That you use it as a "personal server" is irrelevant. |
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| 09:42.17 | Arafangion | fredl: If you're doing a server, you should probably be doing real hardware RAID. |
| 09:42.21 | Arafangion | (Which is expensive.) |
| 09:42.22 | fredl | Arafangion, I agree, I thought about that too, since I bought the disks at exactly the same time, it is more likely that they fail at approx. the same time. |
| 09:42.46 | nsadmin | with battery backup as well as tape backup |
| 09:42.50 | fredl | well I had hoped that my Gigabyte board did hardware raid but it turned out to be fakeraid, alas. |
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| 09:43.10 | Arafangion | Definetly battery backup. Hmm, tape's not a bad idea. |
| 09:43.30 | fredl | well I intend to do a Blu-Ray offsite backup, and a NAS onsite backup. |
| 09:43.36 | fredl | I hate fucking tapes. |
| 09:43.53 | nsadmin | and choose your raid level carefully, some apps like random access to disks |
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| 09:44.03 | Arafangion | Tapes have an insane throughput, and it's not like you need random access./ |
| 09:44.18 | Arafangion | You just want to store a tarball, for the unlikely chance that you'll need to restore from it. |
| 09:44.31 | fredl | no I decided a long time ago that tapes are dead to me. |
| 09:44.51 | fredl | not even discussing them, they suck :P |
| 09:44.55 | nsadmin | I mean for when it's running, specifically raid 5 doesn't do random access well |
| 09:45.02 | Walex | fredl: the speed of an MD sync can be tuned. |
| 09:45.17 | Walex | fredl: also it depends on the type of RAID you are using, and how it has been setup. |
| 09:45.19 | Arafangion | fredl: How do they suck? |
| 09:45.22 | fredl | nsadmin - oh that's interesting to know. Like which applications does random access? |
| 09:45.32 | Walex | fredl: http://WWW.BAARF.com/ |
| 09:45.33 | nsadmin | postgres? |
| 09:45.45 | nsadmin | mysql? |
| 09:45.52 | Walex | nsadmin: RAID5 does random access well for *reads*. |
| 09:45.53 | frostschutz | fredl: I have an internal backup disk (cron daily), external backup disk (twice a month), and dvd (twice a year). For home useage that's okay ;) |
| 09:45.57 | fredl | hmmmm.... |
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| 09:46.15 | fredl | nsadmin, does mysql get a big performance hit on RAID 1? |
| 09:46.32 | nsadmin | raid 1 is what, mirroring? |
| 09:46.37 | fredl | yeah |
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| 09:46.44 | fredl | so I can't imagine that takes a bit hit. |
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| 09:47.17 | fredl | way I see it, with RAID1 there's just a kernel process continuously keeping track of the second disk's sync |
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| 09:47.34 | nsadmin | I would guess no, but that it depends on the actual geometry of the actual partitions on each drive and the difference between the, |
| 09:47.37 | nsadmin | them |
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| 09:48.05 | nsadmin | I'm further guessing, the smaller the difference, the less the performance hit |
| 09:48.35 | fredl | that BAARF site is funny :) |
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| 09:49.17 | fredl | it's a real issue with large DB servers, that's true. |
| 09:49.55 | fredl | a colleague freelancer told me once that this bank he was hired by had lots of performance issues with their Oracle server running on a massive RAID |
| 09:50.31 | fredl | he actually took them to the datacenter where the RAID is and showed them how much rattling the disks do. |
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| 09:51.20 | fredl | so he redesigned it for them using more conservative setup, putting Oracle database files, log files etc. on separate disks. |
| 09:51.23 | jelly-home | performance is arguable the less important part of the(ir) story, losing the data is with double faults is more fun |
| 09:51.51 | fredl | it gave a MASSIVE performance gain. |
| 09:51.59 | fredl | like, really massive. |
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| 09:52.53 | Linux-IRC | can't execute files under /dev/hda7 permission denied cat /etc/fstab /dev/hda7 /media/Ddrive vfat users,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0002 0 0 |
| 09:52.54 | fredl | and if you go do some really old school tuning like putting the most accessed data on the place easiest to reach on the disk, it can actually be very much worth the while. |
| 09:53.19 | fredl | I was quite surprised to hear that actually. |
| 09:53.37 | fredl | Anyway, I'm not setting up a terabyte DB server :) |
| 09:54.00 | fredl | let alone a giga peta byte :) |
| 09:54.08 | Linux-IRC | After compiling with g++ can't execute by ./file |
| 09:54.17 | Linux-IRC | permission denied. |
| 09:54.36 | jelly-home | Linux-IRC: grep hda7 /proc/mounts? |
| 09:54.37 | fredl | Linux-IRC, so ls -l file |
| 09:55.04 | jelly-home | I'd go so far to say "use a proper filesystem" |
| 09:55.45 | pistache | Linux-IRC: chmod +x file |
| 09:55.56 | Linux-IRC | jelly-home: /dev/hda7 /media/Ddrive vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0002,dmask=0002,allow_utime=0020,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8 0 0 |
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| 09:56.07 | jelly-home | Linux-IRC: see that noexec part? |
| 09:56.17 | pistache | Oh yeah noexec too |
| 09:56.30 | Linux-IRC | jelly-home: Ye,What to do? |
| 09:56.45 | fredl | take out the noexec bit from your fstab? |
| 09:56.48 | jelly-home | Linux-IRC: remount with "exec" option |
| 09:57.07 | fredl | oh and it's vfat, that has noexec in the default, right? |
| 09:57.24 | jelly-home | Linux-IRC: mount -o remount,exec /mount/point |
| 09:58.11 | Linux-IRC | jelly-home: mount /dev/hda7 -o remount,exec /media/Ddrive right? |
| 09:58.13 | jelly-home | Linux-IRC: but srsly, use a filesystem with real unix permissions when building software, the permissions on vfat will get all mangled up |
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| 09:59.09 | jelly-home | Linux-IRC: no, just "mount -o remount,exec /media/Ddrive" |
| 09:59.16 | fredl | Linux-IRC, you should reconsider using a vfat |
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| 09:59.50 | fredl | unless you really have no other choice I wouldn't do that. |
| 10:00.02 | Linux-IRC | jelly-home: How to edit /etc/fstab to do this at boot time? so far /dev/hda7 /media/Ddrive vfat users,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0002 0 0 |
| 10:00.29 | Linux-IRC | jelly-home: /dev/hda7 /media/Ddrive vfat users,exec,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0002 0 0 Is it ok? |
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| 10:00.53 | fredl | Linux-IRC, yes that should work. |
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| 10:01.03 | jelly-home | Linux-IRC: add "exec" to the options, right |
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| 10:01.21 | Linux-IRC | Thank you. |
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| 10:01.22 | fredl | isn't it 'user' instead of 'userS' ? |
| 10:01.23 | jelly-home | why are you using vfat to build software? |
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| 10:01.44 | Linux-IRC | jelly-home: It's vfat partition. |
| 10:01.50 | cahoot | fredl: users is valid too |
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| 10:02.00 | fredl | yes but WHY is it a vfat partition? |
| 10:02.01 | Linux-IRC | jelly-home: Formatted as vfat from windows xp. |
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| 10:02.37 | fredl | do you need to share source between Windows/Linux or something? |
| 10:02.42 | jelly-home | Linux-IRC: why are you not using some other, proper Linux filesystem to put source on it? |
| 10:02.57 | sphenxes | i have set my domain name on my Debian lenny to: sphenxes.linux.com i would like to change my domain to sphenxes.homelinux.org. It is only a domain i have entered during installation. How can I change it? |
| 10:03.33 | jelly-home | !hostname |
| 10:03.33 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 10:03.46 | fredl | sphenxes - man dnsdomainname |
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| 10:05.15 | Linux-IRC | fredl: Yes. |
| 10:05.30 | sphenxes | fredl, thanks |
| 10:05.35 | Linux-IRC | jelly-home: Sharing between linux/windows. |
| 10:06.32 | jelly-home | Linux-IRC: you're sharing linux binaries? |
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| 10:06.54 | fredl | probably some mixed C++ / Java / GUI project? |
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| 10:07.26 | Linux-IRC | jelly-home: No, cpp files. |
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| 10:07.35 | jelly-home | Linux-IRC: as a best practice, use a filesystem with real permission abilities when unpacking and building software; vfat is not it |
| 10:08.00 | Linux-IRC | jelly-home: /dev/hda7 /media/Ddrive vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0002 0 0 What does it mean by nodev and nosuid? |
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| 10:08.39 | hanibana | Linux-IRC: see "man mount" for these :) |
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| 10:10.08 | jelly-home | Linux-IRC: <pedant> if there were only .cpp files, you wouln't be asking about running ./foo |
| 10:10.50 | Linux-IRC | jelly-home: After copiling ./foo |
| 10:10.54 | Linux-IRC | compiling |
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| 10:12.26 | Arafangion | vfat has an additional very serious flaw - timestamp resolution is limited to two seconds. |
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| 10:12.28 | intero | hi |
| 10:13.22 | Dalton | hi |
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| 10:13.39 | dutchfish | Arafangion, that might be affected on newer kernel depending if you use non-unicode languages like utf |
| 10:14.00 | intero | i'm having a problem with X. basically, i can't type any char which is produced by a altgr+key combination. it's like altgr is not working even though xev detects it. any idea? |
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| 10:14.24 | Arafangion | dutchfish: That's a separate, but also serious problem. |
| 10:14.44 | dutchfish | Arafangion, no, THTS the problem if you delve into the source, i did |
| 10:15.13 | dutchfish | Arafangion, but there is more broken then that i admit |
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| 10:15.25 | Arafangion | dutchfish: Well, there's workaround for that problem, but working around issues with the 2-second time resolution is much harder. |
| 10:15.37 | dutchfish | Arafangion, ;) |
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| 10:23.36 | Thms_ | is there a package that can rename multiple audio files, following the ID3 tag informations ? |
| 10:24.37 | themill | Thms_: krename can do that |
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| 10:24.57 | Thms_ | gonna try |
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| 10:29.42 | valdyn | intero: are alt-gr combinations working in a gnome-terminal, and at the same time not in different programs? |
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| 10:30.14 | intero | valdyn: nope, they are working in console but when i load X no combination works anymore |
| 10:30.46 | valdyn | intero: guess then its just similar but not the same issue im having myself.. |
| 10:30.51 | BackLash|TheFly | Ok this is going to sound completely insane but you know how you can change the kernel hz to 1000? I want it at 3000... how |
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| 10:31.00 | BackLash|TheFly | ^^ |
| 10:31.45 | intero | valdyn: do you have something in your shellrc file that overrides your X session settings? |
| 10:31.50 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: for what benefit? |
| 10:31.51 | BackLash|TheFly | i tried editing Kconfig.hz and the 3000 option is in the menuconfig. BUT i dont think it took |
| 10:32.11 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: to make your computer slower? |
| 10:32.23 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: game server. stupid kids who want to rent servers that say they run at 3000 fps |
| 10:32.29 | BackLash|TheFly | dont ask me y |
| 10:32.36 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: thats serious bullshit |
| 10:32.44 | BackLash|TheFly | tell them |
| 10:32.47 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 10:32.50 | BackLash|TheFly | i tried |
| 10:32.51 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: maybe ask those kids about limits of human reaction time |
| 10:33.14 | BackLash|TheFly | i know i know lol .001 or something rediculous |
| 10:33.24 | enmerkar | BackLash|TheFly: it's probably dynamic, install some freq control tool |
| 10:33.32 | enmerkar | or build a kernel that's always maxed.. |
| 10:33.36 | valdyn | enmerkar: that is something else |
| 10:33.40 | enmerkar | er? |
| 10:34.04 | enmerkar | ah, i see |
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| 10:34.09 | BackLash|TheFly | hell 250fps for a game server is more than they could hope to notice let alone 1000 or 2000 |
| 10:34.10 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: but beside that, theres not much point, theres code paths and latencies in your hardware that cannot be fixed by setting the 3000hz, they are *way* slower |
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| 10:34.41 | intero | i see this in xorg.log: Option "xkb_options" "lv3:lwin_switch,compose:ralt" how can i change that ralt thing? |
| 10:34.55 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: they want bragging rights.... doesnt matter to them how their server runs |
| 10:35.06 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: yea, i see |
| 10:35.13 | BackLash|TheFly | -sigh- |
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| 10:35.21 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: you need to hand-edit the code, probably easy |
| 10:35.45 | BackLash|TheFly | well i had added the entry in Kconfigure.hz.. where else might i find this? |
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| 10:36.20 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: replacing the 1000 manually with 3000 does not work uh? |
| 10:36.44 | BackLash|TheFly | i added references for 2000 and 3000 |
| 10:37.29 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: I also dont understand why upping the kernel hz would up the framerate |
| 10:37.47 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: in fact it should *lower* the framerate |
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| 10:38.27 | BackLash|TheFly | http://www.pastebin.ca/1572720 |
| 10:38.39 | BackLash|TheFly | unless i completely misunderstand how to add the function |
| 10:38.59 | majhool | if they don't know why they don't want a 3000 hz tick, just lie to them |
| 10:39.20 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: unfortunately they have commands to check |
| 10:39.23 | BackLash|TheFly | -.- |
| 10:39.32 | BackLash|TheFly | i owuld love to just lie and take their money |
| 10:39.57 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: command to check the kernel tick rate? |
| 10:40.05 | majhool | yeah |
| 10:40.07 | majhool | ??? |
| 10:40.15 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: or commands to check the "fps" |
| 10:40.24 | BackLash|TheFly | the servers max_fps rating |
| 10:40.26 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: or is that all the same as long as it has a hz postfix? |
| 10:40.35 | BackLash|TheFly | yup |
| 10:40.45 | majhool | i mean if they're going to be able to verify the fps then messing with the tick rate is at best a waste of time |
| 10:40.59 | BackLash|TheFly | 3000hz kern when running 3000hz makes server side fps read 3000hz when under light cpu load |
| 10:41.05 | valdyn | i guess the point is that they are *not* able to verify the fps |
| 10:41.20 | valdyn | and they justget the tick rate and think *that* is good |
| 10:41.23 | majhool | well, they have some sort of reporting on it |
| 10:41.26 | majhool | well |
| 10:41.55 | BackLash|TheFly | yeah they can tell when it drops frames server side by checking comands but cant physically tell even if they swear they can |
| 10:42.06 | majhool | http://kerneltrap.org/node/5411 |
| 10:42.09 | majhool | ? |
| 10:42.17 | BackLash|TheFly | i tried to explain its fractions of milleseconds but nooo |
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| 10:43.26 | BackLash|TheFly | uh oh my eyes are going to hate you |
| 10:43.30 | BackLash|TheFly | i need a smoek |
| 10:43.33 | BackLash|TheFly | smoke* |
| 10:43.34 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 10:44.13 | BackLash|TheFly | i have half a mind to change the code in the source files for the game to always read 3000 but that would be false advertising |
| 10:44.18 | chomwitt | in my /var/mail/chomwitt file i see a lot of emails sent from root!! what are those? are they usefull? |
| 10:45.31 | BackLash|TheFly | just take the `serverfps` variable and replace it with `3000` or better yet `A-Lot` |
| 10:45.41 | BackLash|TheFly | ^^ |
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| 10:47.18 | Trewas | BackLash|TheFly: do they run several game servers on the same computer or just one? if it's only one then arguably increasing the kernel tick-rate will only make things (including fps) slower |
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| 10:50.13 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: you have 2 bools that start with 3, that is one reason why the config already cantwork |
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| 10:51.21 | swecha_ | hi |
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| 10:51.37 | swecha_ | im not able to see partitions during installation |
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| 10:51.57 | BackLash|TheFly | @_@ omg your right |
| 10:52.03 | BackLash|TheFly | i need more redbull |
| 10:52.22 | swecha_ | anybody can help me ? |
| 10:52.24 | BackLash|TheFly | lol well lets try this again |
| 10:52.33 | swecha_ | its a ubiquity installer |
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| 10:53.44 | hoxu | !tell swecha_ about ask |
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| 10:54.25 | swecha_ | hmm |
| 10:54.46 | swecha_ | <swecha_> im not able to see partitions during installation |
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| 10:55.09 | swecha_ | hoxu, |
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| 10:55.48 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: now i have the menuconfig stuff ok it seems, obviously i dont have a kernel compiled and running with that |
| 10:56.22 | themill | swecha_: "ubiquity installer" doesn't sound very debian like. |
| 10:57.22 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: was that supposed to be to me? |
| 10:57.30 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: yea |
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| 10:57.56 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: in regards to what? you lost me |
| 10:58.15 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: in regards to allowing 3000 hz |
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| 10:59.14 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: er what did you change i just changed my Kconfig.hz to reflect http://www.pastebin.ca/1572728 |
| 10:59.31 | BackLash|TheFly | since 1000 will be the base allowable by my clientel |
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| 10:59.52 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: something like that yes |
| 10:59.55 | swecha_ | themill, what could be the probleme |
| 10:59.59 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: i left the old options in though |
| 11:00.15 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: may i see a pastebin? |
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| 11:00.57 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: so bool "3000 HZ" -> bool "insane 3000 HZ" and bool "2000 HZ" -> bool "stupid 2000 HZ" |
| 11:01.38 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: ahahahahahaha! yeah thats about right |
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| 11:02.00 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: did you like my help section for 3000 |
| 11:02.13 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 11:02.18 | Arafangion | I've seen people talk about 4000+ MHz. |
| 11:02.33 | BackLash|TheFly | I've seen people marketing 50,000 |
| 11:02.41 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: http://www.pastebin.ca/1572732 |
| 11:02.42 | Arafangion | (Generally massively overclocked, with insane cooling, blah blah blah) |
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| 11:02.53 | valdyn | Arafangion: we arent talking about cpu clock |
| 11:03.06 | valdyn | Arafangion: which is why we are not talking about MHz but Hz |
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| 11:03.18 | BackLash|TheFly | summit servers advertises "unlimited" to which i chuckle greatly |
| 11:03.44 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: is that even dedicated servers or virtual machines? |
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| 11:04.23 | BackLash|TheFly | dedys |
| 11:04.30 | necro\ | !ask question |
| 11:04.32 | Arafangion | Oos, fps rate. |
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| 11:05.33 | Arafangion | Yeah, people seem to just like to have a single number by which everything is compared against. Guess people have decided that fps shall be that number. |
| 11:05.37 | valdyn | ok I already found 1000000 fps somewhere, thats funny |
| 11:05.44 | valdyn | thats like the audiophile scene |
| 11:05.48 | BackLash|TheFly | they claim theirs goes to 90k and i cant help but say... theres no way you are pulling 30fps per processor mhz |
| 11:05.57 | valdyn | complete technical idiots |
| 11:06.06 | BackLash|TheFly | its just impossible |
| 11:06.08 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 11:06.25 | valdyn | impossible *and* irrelevant |
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| 11:06.37 | majhool | i can't install cl-asdf; it's complaining that sb-grovel is violating a lock on sb-impl |
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| 11:07.09 | majhool | this is on testing |
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| 11:07.17 | Arafangion | Blegh, I've got an imaginary splinter in my finger. :( |
| 11:07.36 | BackLash|TheFly | indeed. these kids believe they can tell the difference between 250fps and 1000fps |
| 11:08.10 | BackLash|TheFly | because theyve been immersed in a society that tells them so |
| 11:08.17 | JPT | the human eye can barely see 25fps |
| 11:08.20 | Arafangion | I used to be able to tell if the picture or image was lagged (on movies) (And really hated it when that was the case, so, pretty much always). |
| 11:09.09 | BackLash|TheFly | well that is a bit different.. no matter what the client cant pull more than 100fps... its just silly really |
| 11:09.34 | BackLash|TheFly | 250 is nice and clean because it allows for spikes without incident |
| 11:09.46 | Arafangion | But as for fps... Past 25's damn near impossible to get... 27's the accepted limit, but even then, Anything past 30fps is insane. (CRT monitors are different though in terms of refresh rate - that's completely different) |
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| 11:10.10 | Arafangion | Which, incidentially, is probably where this weird obsession started. |
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| 11:10.49 | BackLash|TheFly | well this is also the same community that squeezes every last bit of performance out of their video cards because they want the 300fps 180+ of which their monitor cant even render |
| 11:11.05 | Trewas | 24fps which is used in normal movies is very noticeably too low, take any scene where the camera pans sideways and you can easily see huge jumps between frames |
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| 11:11.39 | BackLash|TheFly | i agree i can see the difference of up to 85hz refresh.. but ive been training my eyes for 11 years |
| 11:11.43 | Arafangion | I remember back in the day I wasn't happy with anything less than about 80Hz. |
| 11:11.53 | Arafangion | And preferred 100Hz. |
| 11:12.14 | Arafangion | Or 90Hz... Above those figures I could never see anything. |
| 11:12.33 | Arafangion | And I'm a fully-deaf software engineer, for crying out loud - I do obsess with my sight. |
| 11:12.37 | BackLash|TheFly | well i generally aim for 100hz just so i dont notice anything |
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| 11:12.48 | JNSamuel | you're deaf? |
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| 11:13.03 | Arafangion | JNSamuel: Why are you shocked? |
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| 11:13.25 | JNSamuel | well, atleast it's not as bad as saying you're blind |
| 11:13.36 | Arafangion | It's not like it's a profoundly rare symptom. (Though it _is_ unusual that I'm completely deaf, rather than "almost completely") |
| 11:14.24 | JNSamuel | people use computers, even when they're blind. doesn't make sense |
| 11:14.30 | Arafangion | Why not? |
| 11:14.47 | JNSamuel | because you can't see the screen? |
| 11:15.02 | JNSamuel | pointless to even ask that |
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| 11:15.17 | Arafangion | They can either see well enough despite being blind, for a computer screen. |
| 11:15.27 | Arafangion | Or they'll have a line attached, or more likely use text-to-speech software. |
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| 11:16.51 | Arafangion | JNSamuel: True disablement happens when people think they can't do things that they certainly can do, and thus discourage them from even trying. |
| 11:17.12 | Arafangion | For instance, I've heard that in some countries, one can't drive if one's deaf - what's up with that!? |
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| 11:17.36 | valdyn | Arafangion: thats obvious |
| 11:17.47 | Arafangion | valdyn: How so? |
| 11:18.02 | JNSamuel | car horns stop most crashes |
| 11:18.04 | valdyn | Arafangion: you can hear 360 degree, but not see |
| 11:18.08 | JNSamuel | that's why |
| 11:18.27 | MarcoPau | hello, kdm hasn't been starting anymore at boot. what am I supposed to do to restore the automatic launch? |
| 11:18.28 | Arafangion | So, you hear a car horn, then try to figure out where the heck it's coming from? |
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| 11:18.29 | valdyn | Arafangion: its also illegal to tune up the noise in your car that you cannot hear the outside |
| 11:18.46 | Arafangion | valdyn: Curiosu. |
| 11:18.48 | Arafangion | *curious |
| 11:19.02 | JNSamuel | valdyn: where? haha, im guessing they don't have car stereos where you are |
| 11:19.03 | valdyn | Arafangion: the horn is from behind you or it does not concern you |
| 11:19.27 | valdyn | JNSamuel: this is germany |
| 11:19.36 | valdyn | Arafangion: but theres an exception for deaf people here |
| 11:19.44 | BackLash|TheFly | gO gO GADGET COMPILER! |
| 11:19.48 | BackLash|TheFly | @_@ |
| 11:19.53 | Multiply | Why is it, that oidentd only binds to the IPv6 interface? |
| 11:20.12 | Arafangion | valdyn: Now that you mention Germany, I think I may be able to see why the horn would be important... You drive on ice there sometimes, right? |
| 11:20.21 | valdyn | Arafangion: or the law is made in the way that deaf people can drive, you just cannot turn up the volume |
| 11:20.23 | JNSamuel | .. |
| 11:20.45 | valdyn | Arafangion: only on small streets there is ice |
| 11:21.01 | BackLash|TheFly | if i were deaf i would have speakers under my seat :D |
| 11:21.22 | Arafangion | Sometimes I drive with my windows up and the volume turned all the way. |
| 11:21.24 | BackLash|TheFly | take the beethoven approach |
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| 11:21.38 | JNSamuel | you just said you were deaf |
| 11:21.45 | BackLash|TheFly | vibrations |
| 11:21.49 | Arafangion | JNSamuel: Yes, and I still can't hear 'em, but I can feel 'em. |
| 11:22.01 | JNSamuel | whats the point in that? |
| 11:22.07 | BackLash|TheFly | frequencies |
| 11:22.17 | Arafangion | Infact, every time a car comes up behind me, I see them too. If you're aware of your blindspots, you're all good. |
| 11:22.24 | BackLash|TheFly | thats how your ears work.. and so you can train your body to listen as well |
| 11:22.31 | valdyn | JNSamuel: taste in audio is learnt, you can learn to appreciate the vibrations too i guess |
| 11:23.05 | Arafangion | actually gets tired of the vibrations after a short while, so only sometimes does it. |
| 11:23.33 | BackLash|TheFly | i blast my music till the house shakes.. got a text message from my roommate the other day "Bone Thugs aint got no Harmony" |
| 11:23.47 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 11:23.51 | valdyn | Arafangion: its not actualy a very strict law in that its pretty hard to draw police attention for most cars sound gear |
| 11:24.07 | Arafangion | valdyn: Actually, I got pulled over the other day for using a T3 lane. |
| 11:24.24 | Arafangion | valdyn: Only after I drove away did I find out that I had my radio on... My previous passenger had left it on. |
| 11:24.32 | valdyn | ehe |
| 11:25.00 | BackLash|TheFly | oh plz say it was rap and not just any rap but %&$# the police |
| 11:25.14 | Arafangion | BackLash|TheFly: I haven't a clue! It may well have been! |
| 11:25.16 | BackLash|TheFly | that would be too funny |
| 11:25.29 | Arafangion | I did get fined. |
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| 11:25.44 | Arafangion | (But not for the noise) |
| 11:25.50 | BackLash|TheFly | always change it to country ;o |
| 11:25.56 | GuySoft | hi all, is there a way to configure a scanner on debian and kde4? it seems to be missing |
| 11:26.13 | BackLash|TheFly | ew. kde |
| 11:26.18 | valdyn | GuySoft: Kooka - Scan and OCR Suite for KDE |
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| 11:26.43 | Arafangion | valdyn: Infact, I don't think there are any statistics in Australia that show that deaf people have more car accidents. |
| 11:26.44 | BackLash|TheFly | twm for the win |
| 11:27.04 | valdyn | GuySoft: or since kooka is not in debian: skanlite - image scanner for KDE 4 based on the KSane backend |
| 11:27.16 | valdyn | Arafangion: thats the point |
| 11:27.17 | GuySoft | valdyn, i am trying to get it to recognise an LPT scaner. i see no option for that |
| 11:27.38 | valdyn | Arafangion: i mean, theres exceptions for any handicaped people here |
| 11:27.41 | JNSamuel | i dont know how you could cope being deaf, i couldn't. im a dj and its the only thing i love doing |
| 11:27.43 | BackLash|TheFly | its too bad my video card is in legacy support now... id love to game on linux |
| 11:28.09 | BackLash|TheFly | just in time for ati to start supporting linux' |
| 11:28.13 | valdyn | Arafangion: just not for blind i guess ;) |
| 11:28.43 | Arafangion | valdyn: Depends on the blindness, I would imagine. |
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| 11:28.59 | Arafangion | valdyn: But not for legal blindness, I would *hope*. |
| 11:29.01 | valdyn | Arafangion: like "youre not allowed to artificially cripple your senses, but if you have a handicap permanently you can work around it" |
| 11:29.06 | BackLash|TheFly | finds it amazing how much faster kernel compilation is when you strip it like a french whore |
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| 11:29.46 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: youre just not compiling drivers, which is 80% of the kernel or more |
| 11:29.51 | cahoot | know a lot about the french? |
| 11:30.03 | Arafangion | valdyn: Now, ask yourself - why claim that deaf people can't drive? If they actually need their hearing, they won't cripple it. Infact, they'll do *anything* they can do to enhance it. |
| 11:30.09 | BackLash|TheFly | i know french canadians cheat at video games |
| 11:30.12 | BackLash|TheFly | ;) |
| 11:30.33 | valdyn | Arafangion: well, im not claiming it |
| 11:30.36 | Arafangion | valdyn: And if they don't need it... Then what's the difference? |
| 11:30.40 | Arafangion | valdyn: Good. :) |
| 11:30.46 | valdyn | Arafangion: but i can see why deaf people are handicapped |
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| 11:31.11 | Arafangion | valdyn: They're handicapped by society, more than anything else. |
| 11:31.13 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: Funny thing is im still pulling drivers out with each revision. |
| 11:31.15 | valdyn | Arafangion: i just value the freedom to drive higher than the handicap's "danger" |
| 11:32.10 | Arafangion | valdyn: I've seen drivers trust their hearing too much. |
| 11:32.19 | Arafangion | And literally drive blindly. |
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| 11:32.47 | GuySoft | valdyn, do you know of there is a program to force sane to know it has an LPT scanner? |
| 11:32.47 | BackLash|TheFly | Arafangion: not me lol i might as well be deaf when im driving.. cant drive anywhere without my goa |
| 11:33.03 | Arafangion | (Eg, backing a large car out into a blind corner, being unaware that there was a motorcyclist who was driving really too fast there... Fortunately I had a horn... Ironically. A deaf person would NOT be in that situation) |
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| 11:33.25 | Arafangion | BackLash|TheFly: GOA? |
| 11:33.37 | BackLash|TheFly | a form of techno |
| 11:33.46 | BackLash|TheFly | see also trance |
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| 11:34.00 | Arafangion | Ahh, ok. |
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| 11:34.59 | BackLash|TheFly | yeah i find emergency vehicles amusing.. im never in the way but they always give me dirty looks when i dont pull alllll the way over |
| 11:35.26 | Arafangion | BackLash|TheFly: Actually, there was a study done that showed that people can't actually use their hearing to localise the siren noise. |
| 11:35.34 | Arafangion | Or at the very least, it was very difficult to do so. |
| 11:35.41 | valdyn | thats true |
| 11:35.47 | BackLash|TheFly | in some cases it can cause audio-epilepsy |
| 11:35.50 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 11:36.02 | Arafangion | Flashing lights are a giveaway, though. I usually see them in the mirrors. |
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| 11:36.24 | BackLash|TheFly | uh oh the linux polizei :o |
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| 11:36.59 | Arafangion | Interestingly, I'm noticing that some road rules actually stipulate how the horn is to be used, unlike here, also speeds are much faster. (Here, the state limit is 110kmph). |
| 11:37.16 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. I have two sound cards in my box. I'd like to use both of them. Ideally, one card would be the "default" and then I can make specific apps use the other. What's the homework I should read? |
| 11:37.34 | Arafangion | abrotman: That's the last of it... I should take a break. :) Hope things have been going well, haven't seen you in a while. |
| 11:37.44 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: you should use pulseaudio |
| 11:37.52 | BackLash|TheFly | ^ agree |
| 11:37.53 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: do you need skype? |
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| 11:37.58 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: nope |
| 11:38.05 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: good, then use pulseaudio |
| 11:38.17 | Arafangion | That reminds me... I need to buy some speakers, for <censored> skype to work. |
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| 11:39.01 | BackLash|TheFly | sighs and compiles more... |
| 11:39.19 | jonaskoelker | hmm... just did a quick test (mplayer -ao pulse foo.mp3), and mplayer hangs playback at 0:00 |
| 11:39.23 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: you need to read up on how to redirect default alsa to pulseaudio and just set the apps that support pulseaudio directly to that |
| 11:39.24 | jonaskoelker | not good, I take it? :) |
| 11:39.40 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: duh, do you even have pulseaudio installed? |
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| 11:40.34 | jonaskoelker | yep, it's in |
| 11:40.36 | BackLash|TheFly | here weeee go |
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| 11:40.41 | quentusrex | when building a debian package, is there a way to background a LARGE list of commands, and wait until they are all complete before moving on? |
| 11:40.44 | jonaskoelker | ... and running |
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| 11:41.12 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: redirecting also to PA, that's "ctl.!default { type pulse} \n pcm.!default { type pulse }", right? |
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| 11:41.17 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: when some app is using a soundcard exclusively obviously pulseaudio can do nothing about that |
| 11:41.24 | chellomere | quentusrex, any reason? concurrency? |
| 11:41.26 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: yea |
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| 11:41.49 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: all apps i found ( except skype ) will work nicely with this |
| 11:41.57 | quentusrex | chellomere: yes, I need to transcode 100+ audio files, but I need to wait until they all finish before the next command is run. |
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| 11:42.11 | quentusrex | and I don't want to do them sequencially. |
| 11:42.16 | BackLash|TheFly | god i love how fast linux boots |
| 11:42.18 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: how do I check if someone's hogging the sound card? lsof | grep dsp? |
| 11:42.32 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: no |
| 11:42.48 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: that will only get the parts that use oss |
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| 11:43.03 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: what you should do is you should at least temporarily remove oss modules |
| 11:43.11 | chellomere | quentusrex, I'd do this with a makefile, it has builtin concurrency support, tho I don't understand why you want to do this recoding in the build scripts |
| 11:43.25 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: ( modprobe -r snd-pcm-oss; modprobe -r snd-mixer-oss;modprobe -r snd-seq-oss ) |
| 11:43.48 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: nothing can use /dev/dsp in your final setup |
| 11:43.52 | BackLash|TheFly | hmmmm how do i read what hz my kernel is actually operating at? |
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| 11:44.23 | chellomere | quentusrex, see man dpkg-buildpackage, -j |
| 11:45.12 | jonaskoelker | ok, the modules are out |
| 11:45.31 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: try reading /proc/sys/kernel/sched_wakeup_granularity |
| 11:45.45 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: try reading /proc/sys/kernel/sched_wakeup_granularity_ns even |
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| 11:46.59 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: huh read it with what lol |
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| 11:47.08 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: more or cat |
| 11:47.12 | jonaskoelker | I found out I needed libasound2-plugins. Now I successfully redirect alsa to a broken pulseaudio |
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| 11:47.24 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: how are you starting pulseaudio? |
| 11:47.33 | BackLash|TheFly | cat: /proc/sys/kernel/sched_wakeup_granularity_ns: No such file or directory |
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| 11:47.52 | BackLash|TheFly | sniffle |
| 11:48.05 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: does /proc/sys exist? |
| 11:48.15 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: I don't recall; through gnome perhaps? I see /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper running |
| 11:48.27 | abrotman | maybe he didn't compile support for that into his kernel ? |
| 11:48.28 | BackLash|TheFly | uhuh uhuh yupyup |
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| 11:48.59 | abrotman | (though i guess that would be kind of hard) |
| 11:49.02 | quentusrex | chellomere: any idea what this error means: dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory |
| 11:49.03 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: which debian release are you using ? |
| 11:50.34 | chellomere | quentusrex, what command are you running? |
| 11:51.00 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: /etc/debian_version says squeeze/sid |
| 11:51.48 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: killall pulseaudio && start-pulseaudio-x11 |
| 11:51.49 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: my sources.list has stable/testing/unstable/experimental, my prefs say 'unstable > testing > stable == experimental' |
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| 11:53.15 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: then you run pavucontrol and see which devices are found |
| 11:53.26 | zrin | I have high (sys) CPU usage (60% of a 3.1 GHz core) while (sequential) writing to SATA drives (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sde3) on lenny with 2.6.30-bpo.1, both with onboard ahci and sata_promise; what are most probable causes? |
| 11:53.57 | GuySoft | try another way: |
| 11:53.58 | pistache | zrin: are you sure it's not iowait ? |
| 11:54.02 | GuySoft | i have an LPT scanner here i want to set up. how do i tell sane it exists? |
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| 11:54.04 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: just one, intel ICH5 Analog Stereo |
| 11:54.05 | valdyn | zrin: is that the drivers that are used? |
| 11:54.06 | zrin | pistache: yes |
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| 11:54.13 | jpinx-eeepc | I have a frozen boot process at "inode-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) |
| 11:54.18 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: so the 2nd is in use? |
| 11:54.28 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: either way mplayer should be able to play thru that one now |
| 11:54.34 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: not that I can hear... |
| 11:54.44 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know what to do to push it on |
| 11:54.48 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: adjust volumes.. |
| 11:54.54 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: mplayer can play back, but I don't hear anything anywhere |
| 11:54.56 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: if mplayer is not stuch then its playing |
| 11:55.02 | zrin | valdyn: in lsmod's output I see libata - sata_promise, ata_generic, ahci |
| 11:55.13 | valdyn | zrin: looks good |
| 11:55.32 | jonaskoelker | I had mplayer play back sound before the killall pulseaudio; I think I had killed/respawned my mpd to make that happen (not sure) |
| 11:56.35 | valdyn | zrin: the value sys value is ok too I think |
| 11:56.47 | valdyn | zrin: you could try increasing the block size |
| 11:56.54 | BackLash|TheFly | back head on wall |
| 11:56.58 | BackLash|TheFly | bang* |
| 11:57.44 | zrin | valdyn: it is foxconn a7gm-s mainboard, AMD 780G + SB700 |
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| 11:57.56 | valdyn | zrin: and you will always get high sys till your ram cache is filled, no matter what |
| 11:58.11 | jonaskoelker | aahhh, there we go: in alsamixer, pulseaudio's "Master" was turned down to 10 and muted... |
| 11:58.16 | jonaskoelker | I get sound again :) |
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| 11:58.45 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: alright then now you can change output device for each app going via pulseaudio at runtime |
| 11:58.59 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: and pulseaudio will remember those settings |
| 11:59.10 | zrin | valdyn: 60% of a 3.1 GHz is ok for dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sde3 with ~100 MB/s throughput? |
| 11:59.22 | valdyn | zrin: yea |
| 11:59.31 | valdyn | zrin: increase the block size to lower it a little |
| 11:59.47 | BackLash|TheFly | cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep '^CONFIG_HZ=' (CONFIG_HZ=3000) -bang head on wall harder- |
| 11:59.50 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: but I still only have the single sound card to output to in pavucontrol ... ? |
| 12:00.11 | zrin | valdyn: hmm :( I came to test this because of bad write performance (~ 20 MB/s) with raid10 over 4 disks |
| 12:00.12 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: that means that pulseaudio could not open the 2nd one when starting |
| 12:00.40 | Multiply | Why is it, that oidentd only binds to the IPv6 interface? (IPv4 returns "NO-USER") |
| 12:00.40 | valdyn | zrin: thats lame yes |
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| 12:01.00 | zrin | valdyn: copying a large file to raid10 uses 100% CPU ... is there a good reason for this? |
| 12:01.28 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: and how do I find out how that is? |
| 12:01.42 | BleSS | is possible to change the attributes to a directory for that cann't be deleted? as chattr +i file.txt |
| 12:01.44 | valdyn | zrin: "cpu" is not useful information, the "sys" or "wa" would be |
| 12:01.48 | jonaskoelker | apparently PA doesn't write to daemon.log ... |
| 12:02.06 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: its run as a user daemon, it cannot write to daemon.log |
| 12:02.16 | jonaskoelker | duh, of course |
| 12:02.30 | zrin | valdyn: it's sys. So the CPU becomes the bottleneck while writing a file to raid10 ... I can't really believe it's "normal" |
| 12:02.33 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: whats your desktop environment? |
| 12:02.38 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: gnome |
| 12:02.50 | valdyn | zrin: you didnt tell me the wa% or sy%, you just said cpu, i told you that is useless |
| 12:02.58 | zrin | valdyn: sys |
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| 12:03.19 | zrin | valdyn: the CPU runs hot just with copying files |
| 12:03.31 | valdyn | zrin: what cpu is that? |
| 12:03.48 | zrin | valdyn: Athlon 64 X2 5600+ |
| 12:04.23 | valdyn | zrin: looks to me like the disk driver is in legacy mode |
| 12:04.29 | valdyn | zrin: looks to me like the disk controller is in legacy mode |
| 12:04.30 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: so btw it is running 3000hz but the game isnt even trying to... which means i might have to hack it as well -.- |
| 12:04.31 | zrin | valdyn: cpuinfo says 3045 MHz |
| 12:04.39 | valdyn | zrin: but then again you said it was ahci, thats contradicting |
| 12:04.53 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: you have to set the fps setting to 0 |
| 12:04.54 | zrin | valdyn: I'll check again, but I've set it to ahci |
| 12:05.12 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: not exactly "fps", i forgot |
| 12:05.19 | zrin | valdyn: shall I try a different (older) kernel? |
| 12:05.31 | valdyn | zrin: no i dont think that would fix ahci |
| 12:06.14 | abrotman | degraded swraid perhaps? |
| 12:06.20 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: lsof /dev/snd |
| 12:06.38 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: nothing |
| 12:06.55 | zrin | valdyn: I have several systems with AMD SB7xx chipset, I did not see such problems on any of them :/ |
| 12:06.55 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: fuser /dev/snd |
| 12:07.13 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: nothing |
| 12:07.28 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: "fps_max" ? |
| 12:07.36 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: its already 0 |
| 12:07.37 | BleSS | where do you have the media files? in /home or another directory? |
| 12:07.38 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: maybe nothing is using those devices now, so maybe restarting pulseaudio would fix this |
| 12:07.45 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: i dont know then |
| 12:08.01 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: your fps should be pretty low compared to 3000 at max |
| 12:08.05 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: im pretty sure the engine is SUPPOSED to be capped at 1000 |
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| 12:08.13 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: it is |
| 12:08.27 | zrin | abrotman: I've deleted the raid10 I was testing on these partitions - to test why it was so slow and why it was running the cpu hot |
| 12:08.37 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: mind , i only fast-read one forum, i dont know anything about this in depth |
| 12:08.51 | abrotman | zrin: you've done the BIOS updates, etc ? |
| 12:08.57 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: no, still just the single card. |
| 12:08.58 | zrin | abrotman: yes |
| 12:09.00 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: people got 999hz there |
| 12:09.19 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: I might not have the kernel module(s) for my second card loaded? |
| 12:09.27 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: which forum? maybe something in there will help with my spikes |
| 12:09.27 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: uh |
| 12:09.30 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: or something of that sort might be wrong... ? |
| 12:09.36 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: i thought you had both cards functional |
| 12:09.41 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 12:09.58 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: just the one |
| 12:10.09 | zrin | abrotman: could it be that some other driver / module / process is affecting sata I/O? |
| 12:10.14 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: fine, ok |
| 12:10.22 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: uname -r |
| 12:10.32 | jonaskoelker | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 12:10.32 | abrotman | zrin: iotop might tell you |
| 12:10.38 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: is that new hardware? |
| 12:10.46 | jonaskoelker | from the 70's ;-) |
| 12:10.49 | jonaskoelker | oops, 90's :) |
| 12:11.04 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: a pci sound card? |
| 12:11.13 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: yep |
| 12:11.21 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 12:11.22 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an existing network interface: grep PHYSDEVDRIVER /sys/class/net/*/uevent |
| 12:11.33 | BackLash|TheFly | im getting 995fps on my puny little core2 duo when i get my real server box itll probably flatline at 1000fps with this kernel |
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| 12:12.01 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: and now you need to patch the game server uh? |
| 12:12.04 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: fun |
| 12:12.10 | BackLash|TheFly | cry |
| 12:12.28 | BackLash|TheFly | just wanted to sleep... is that so much to ask |
| 12:12.41 | abrotman | so go to sleep |
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| 12:13.02 | BackLash|TheFly | kids are going to pay me $150 for 2000+fps server private core |
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| 12:13.10 | BackLash|TheFly | thats monthly |
| 12:13.27 | valdyn | funny how pro leagues just seem to play at 500-1000 hz |
| 12:13.36 | BackLash|TheFly | indeed |
| 12:13.55 | zrin | abrotman: iotop shows 4x pdflush with 99% I/O and 1x dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sde3 with 15% I/O |
| 12:13.58 | BackLash|TheFly | i wont deny the money though... two cores pays for my whole dedy |
| 12:14.15 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: lspci apparently only lists one sound card, and I already have the drivers for that loaded, and I have exactly one working sound card... |
| 12:14.31 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: so you have only one sound card, oo |
| 12:14.34 | BackLash|TheFly | my gorgeous octi-core xeon box |
| 12:14.41 | BackLash|TheFly | drool |
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| 12:15.50 | jpinx-eeepc | does ntp do anything during boot? |
| 12:15.51 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: thanks, I didn't know :p -- got any ideas what might be up with the other card? Do I just turn off the box, wiggle the card, bring the box back up, repeat until shoddy connectors work? ... |
| 12:16.04 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: yes, probably |
| 12:16.42 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: or get scavenge another sound card |
| 12:16.50 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: those should be like .. free |
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| 12:20.31 | zrin | iotop shows up to 8 pdflush processes (or threads) with "99.9% I/O" while running dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sde3 |
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| 12:26.21 | zrin | valdyn, abrotman: could you give me an idea what to try / test next? |
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| 12:30.11 | BackLash|TheFly | lol i know why im having fps flux's my chron job isnt running |
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| 12:30.16 | BackLash|TheFly | cron |
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| 12:30.51 | BackLash|TheFly | stupid server was running in nice |
| 12:30.53 | BackLash|TheFly | -.- |
| 12:31.16 | Multiply | Why is it, that oidentd only binds to the IPv6 interface? (IPv4 returns "NO-USER") |
| 12:31.19 | BackLash|TheFly | hell irc had higher priority lol |
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| 12:35.48 | abrotman | zrin: so iotop showed nothing bad ? |
| 12:36.51 | zrin | iotop shows up to 8 pdflush processes (or threads) with "99.9% I/O" while running dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sde3 |
| 12:37.15 | zrin | abrotman: could it be that disk cache is somehow limited? |
| 12:37.48 | abrotman | though /dev/zero doesn't exactly create diskmotion |
| 12:39.23 | praseodym | I downgraded a package from squeeze, but now ssh/scp says it cannot find 'libgssapi_krb5.so.2'. any ideas on how to fix that? |
| 12:39.48 | valdyn | praseodym: install the package that contains that file |
| 12:40.01 | BackLash|TheFly | damn you beat me to it |
| 12:40.10 | praseodym | valdyn: the problem is that there's no package with that file because of the downgraded package |
| 12:40.30 | valdyn | praseodym: there is -> the higher version of that downgraded package |
| 12:40.36 | zrin | abrotman: what could make the kernel to flush immediately, i.e. not fill the cache first? |
| 12:40.58 | BackLash|TheFly | texas chili suprise.. |
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| 12:41.08 | BackLash|TheFly | makes me flush every time |
| 12:41.32 | praseodym | valdyn: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libgssapi-krb5-2 is only in sid/squeeze |
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| 12:43.11 | valdyn | praseodym: so? |
| 12:43.23 | abrotman | zrin: i don't think anything .. that'd likely be a function of the hardware |
| 12:43.30 | praseodym | valdyn: I'm downgrading to lenny |
| 12:43.31 | valdyn | praseodym: are you telling me that you upgraded parts of your system to sid and now you are trying to get back to lenny? |
| 12:43.37 | valdyn | praseodym: downgrade ssh too |
| 12:43.40 | themill | praseodym: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 12:43.40 | praseodym | valdyn: yup.. |
| 12:43.50 | praseodym | valdyn: ssh was never upgraded, which is weird |
| 12:44.09 | valdyn | praseodym: ssh isnt self contained |
| 12:44.40 | valdyn | judd: versions openssh-client |
| 12:44.40 | judd | valdyn: openssh-client -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 sid: 1:5.1p1-7 squeeze: 1:5.1p1-7 |
| 12:44.50 | valdyn | praseodym: check your version |
| 12:44.53 | zrin | abrotman: I mean linux disk cache |
| 12:45.22 | praseodym | valdyn: just installed 1:5.1p1-5 |
| 12:45.47 | themill | praseodym: do you still have squeeze or sid in your sources.list? |
| 12:45.51 | zrin | abrotman: cache memory usage seems to stay low |
| 12:45.54 | praseodym | themill: nope, removed those |
| 12:45.59 | praseodym | themill: and updated of course |
| 12:46.01 | valdyn | praseodym: libkrb53: /usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.2 |
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| 12:46.44 | praseodym | valdyn: that did it :) ty |
| 12:47.50 | valdyn | zrin: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 12:48.09 | themill | praseodym: excellent. So now have a look at the output of "aptitude search ~o" to see what other packages you still have from squeeze. |
| 12:48.19 | zrin | valdyn: yes. testing with 2.6.26.2-amd64 now |
| 12:49.00 | zrin | valdyn: when I run dd, buffers memory usage (as shown in top) gets high, "cached" stays low |
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| 12:49.21 | praseodym | themill: what does A in the second column mean? |
| 12:49.25 | abrotman | zrin: FWIW .. testing is up to .30 |
| 12:50.00 | zrin | abrotman: I know, I just switched from .30 to test with .26 as well |
| 12:50.11 | abrotman | ok |
| 12:50.18 | themill | praseodym: Automatically installed (installed to satisfy a dependency) |
| 12:50.47 | praseodym | themill: looks like it's all fine, only some packages I installed manually (not in the debian repository) |
| 12:51.09 | zrin | abrotman: it seems to me that the kernel is not caching (writeback cache) (?) |
| 12:51.17 | themill | praseodym: that's good then. (~o matches things not found in your current sources.list so it will also have locally installed packages) |
| 12:51.40 | abrotman | zrin: but you have identical machines with no issue? |
| 12:51.51 | zrin | abrotman: not identical |
| 12:51.56 | praseodym | themill: thanks for your help :) |
| 12:52.02 | themill | np |
| 12:52.35 | zrin | abrotman: just the same or similar chipset ... I'm checking /proc/sys/vm/ now |
| 12:54.25 | BackLash|TheFly | ugh opened 2nd server on the same core,, theres the fluxs again -sigh- i got 4 opened earlier without this much load issue maybe it is the 3000hz |
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| 12:54.51 | slacker_nl | does anyone know how to get the information like they report it in this bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529882 with the $package depends, suggests, recommends stuff? |
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| 12:55.55 | themill | slacker_nl: reportbug does that for you automatically when reporting bugs. |
| 12:56.07 | BackLash|TheFly | spikeds down to 300fps from 995 -rub eyes- |
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| 12:57.55 | slacker_nl | themill: thnx |
| 12:58.26 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: you can expect 3000hz to slow the system down anyway |
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| 12:59.01 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: maybe the numbers will look best at 100hz kernel timer and the high setting just in the game server |
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| 13:00.42 | ponyofdeath | hi, guys anyone been able to get their photops from their iphon3g removed via gphoto -D? |
| 13:00.46 | Thms_ | Hello, since I updated my kernel to 2.6.30, my gspca webcam works but the contrast is always black |
| 13:03.02 | cahoot | ponyofdeath: gphoto2 - typo? |
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| 13:03.51 | zrin | reading from raid5 on the same system produces 60%sy on one core with 168 MB/s throughput. this seems to me as high cpu usage as well, like in ancient times with IDE controllers in PIO mode |
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| 13:05.50 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn well thats an experiment for tomorrow... i need my beauty sleep... no seriously i need a lot of it |
| 13:06.03 | zrin | I'll boot from debian live cd to test again... |
| 13:06.14 | BackLash|TheFly | in fact i think im gonna sleep for a week... maybe girls will touch me |
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| 13:08.17 | ponyofdeath | cahoot: not sure what u mean |
| 13:08.41 | ponyofdeath | cahoot: yeah i used gphoto2 -D |
| 13:09.28 | cahoot | ponyofdeath: you can connect at least? |
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| 13:12.51 | ponyofdeath | cahoot: i can download photos and list dirs fine |
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| 13:13.01 | ponyofdeath | cahoot: just cannot delete them |
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| 13:13.52 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: omfg.... host_framerate 3000 |
| 13:14.02 | BackLash|TheFly | beat head on cat |
| 13:14.31 | phidah | I've installed php5 via apt-get, but it is version 5.2.0-8... How do I get this version upgraded? |
| 13:14.35 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: how? |
| 13:14.38 | phidah | apt says that the newest version is already installed |
| 13:14.39 | apt | okay, phidah |
| 13:14.45 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: with config_hz=100? |
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| 13:15.01 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: no its a command |
| 13:15.11 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: oh |
| 13:15.12 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: im still using 3000hz |
| 13:15.12 | cahoot | ponyofdeath: just that I had to upgrade to 2.4.7 (both gphoto2 an libgphoto2) to make my canon d450 functional - so might be a matter of version (pure speculation9 |
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| 13:15.28 | phidah | apt: ... |
| 13:15.29 | apt | [... = and your point is] or [... = go on] |
| 13:15.35 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: what fps do you get now though? |
| 13:15.41 | phidah | did you not see the question mark? :) |
| 13:15.59 | themill | apt, says that the newest version |
| 13:16.00 | apt | i guess says that the newest version is already installed |
| 13:16.03 | ponyofdeath | cahoot: ok thanks il give it a shot |
| 13:16.08 | themill | apt, forget says that the newest version |
| 13:16.08 | apt | themill: i forgot says that the newest version |
| 13:16.18 | themill | phidah: please stop starting lines with "apt". |
| 13:16.21 | abrotman | phidah: it's the newest version available for your version of debian |
| 13:16.46 | phidah | hmm okay... |
| 13:16.49 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: 3000 flat |
| 13:17.06 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: i dont know but i think it might be a false positive |
| 13:17.10 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: i have a feeling that that will not work |
| 13:17.24 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: i mean its not getting more calculations but stretching seconds |
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| 13:17.45 | BackLash|TheFly | CPU In Out Uptime Users FPS Players |
| 13:17.45 | BackLash|TheFly | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.49 | phidah | how do I check which version of debian I have... I havent upgraded it for ages |
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| 13:18.04 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: well, whatver that might imply |
| 13:18.30 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: i dont know, im gonna make something to eat and then try to bog my system down |
| 13:18.35 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: or just host_framerate 100000 and charge more money |
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| 13:18.46 | BackLash|TheFly | lol i may |
| 13:18.59 | BackLash|TheFly | silly kids dont know better |
| 13:19.27 | BackLash|TheFly | this cant be right though... i havnt lost a frame |
| 13:19.39 | BackLash|TheFly | thats got to be impossible |
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| 13:20.01 | abrotman | phidah: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:20.02 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: so maybe this just sets the diagnostic tool to a value that has nothing to do with reality |
| 13:20.09 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: funny |
| 13:20.23 | phidah | 4.0... Is that old? |
| 13:20.43 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: nevermind you got this reversed |
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| 13:20.53 | SONY | qwe |
| 13:21.02 | cusco | brother drivers, anyone? |
| 13:21.11 | abrotman | !tell phidah about etch->lenny |
| 13:21.15 | cusco | can't download them from brother.com |
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| 13:21.30 | cusco | brscan3 is it available as a package somewhere on debian? |
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| 13:22.27 | Thms_ | How canI do to install gspca for 2.6.30 as there is a package for 2.6.26 and I can't compile it as it fails ? |
| 13:22.33 | Thms_ | !about gspca |
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| 13:22.48 | BackLash|TheFly | yeah its a false positive |
| 13:22.52 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: host_framerate 0 should be best |
| 13:23.01 | BackLash|TheFly | looked it up |
| 13:23.35 | BackLash|TheFly | im pretty sure server companies are using that command to dupe their clients tho |
| 13:23.39 | phidah | Thanks, abrotman. I got a few packages to upgrade... However this message concerns me a bit. When I run "apt-get install apache2" it tries to upgrade apache. But it also says that "The following packages will be REMOVED: apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php5 php5" What will happen? |
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| 13:24.13 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: host_framerate is used to run faster |
| 13:24.35 | BackLash|TheFly | er well kind of |
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| 13:25.00 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: it just speeds up the game, thats hilarious |
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| 13:25.24 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: so bots running on your server would run 10x as fast |
| 13:25.44 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
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| 13:26.01 | BackLash|TheFly | i do have bots running in my game but i cant watch them |
| 13:26.03 | adrianoc | i tray remove evolution, but the system want remove too gnome-desktop-enviroment |
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| 13:27.18 | valdyn | adrianoc: thats ok, dont worry about it |
| 13:28.18 | BackLash|TheFly | hmmm i should rent a test server from one of my competitors and nail them on that one |
| 13:28.34 | BackLash|TheFly | im sure they are using it because their fps is perfectly solid at 1000 |
| 13:28.53 | BackLash|TheFly | which as i said is impossible |
| 13:29.00 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: yea |
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| 13:29.31 | adrianoc | valdyn, but the list of removal is large |
| 13:29.45 | valdyn | adrianoc: thats an entirely different thing then |
| 13:30.11 | valdyn | adrianoc: let me explain: you manually installed only gnome-desktop-enviroment, everything else is auto-installed |
| 13:30.32 | valdyn | adrianoc: hence removal of gnome-desktop-enviroment triggers removal of the other stuff |
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| 13:30.45 | valdyn | adrianoc: you can use aptitude unmarkauto or similar |
| 13:31.06 | valdyn | adrianoc: or you can manually install the software you want to keep "aptitude install <packagename>" |
| 13:31.19 | valdyn | adrianoc: or you can just keep evolution |
| 13:31.59 | adrianoc | valdyn, i want to remove evolution, because i use icedove |
| 13:32.09 | valdyn | adrianoc: up to you |
| 13:32.55 | valdyn | adrianoc: i would prefer the solution to keep evolution, because diskspace is cheap enough and because its convenient |
| 13:32.59 | adrianoc | valdyn, look the lista to remove ... http://paste.debian.net/47070/ |
| 13:33.06 | valdyn | adrianoc: i dont need to see it |
| 13:33.15 | valdyn | adrianoc: i told you the possible solutions, its straightforward |
| 13:33.22 | adrianoc | valdyn, i need |
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| 13:34.29 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: ive got to find some way to make 40-50 players fit on one core without dropping fps |
| 13:34.31 | adrianoc | i want to remove, only evolution, i like icedove |
| 13:34.47 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: i have no idea if that is possible. |
| 13:34.50 | BackLash|TheFly | the scale of success of my business depends on it :) |
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| 13:34.59 | BackLash|TheFly | oh.. ill find a way |
| 13:35.03 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 13:35.17 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: however you can sacrifice actually relevant latency for useless perforamnce |
| 13:35.31 | adrianoc | i want remove transmission too, because i like deluge-torrent, but the system to want remove all gnome |
| 13:35.46 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: that is , config_preempt should be off and config_hz should be low, 100 |
| 13:36.03 | BackLash|TheFly | preempt is already off |
| 13:36.10 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: i see |
| 13:36.31 | phidah | Do I have to feel worried about doing "aptitude install aptitude" ? :) |
| 13:36.41 | valdyn | phidah: no? |
| 13:37.07 | adrianoc | i want to remove ekiga, because i like skype, but the sistem to want remove gnome |
| 13:37.23 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: yeah the core i have the game servers running on is only pushing 50% |
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| 13:38.24 | zrin | just tested cpu usage while sequential writing to a single SATA (ahci or sata_promise) drive with debian live (2.6.26-2-amd64): nearly 50%sy on one core is used. |
| 13:38.26 | valdyn | adrianoc: removing gnome is not a problem either |
| 13:38.43 | zrin | when writing to 4-disk raid0 (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/md3), one core (out of two) is used with 20%sy+80%wa and the througput drops to ~20 MB/s which is 1/4 of a single disk throughput. |
| 13:38.44 | valdyn | adrianoc: removing all the other packages might be - i told you the solution to the earlier problem - its the same |
| 13:38.46 | themill | valdyn: except that it will autoremove all its deps |
| 13:38.49 | zrin | this is just ridiculous |
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| 13:38.57 | valdyn | themill: sure |
| 13:39.03 | adrianoc | valdyn, you see my list ? http://paste.debian.net/47070/ |
| 13:39.10 | themill | adrianoc: please read what valdyn told you already. You can either just leave these other things installed because disk space is so cheap, or you can tell aptitude that you want these other things to stay installed by using "aptitude unmarkauto ..." |
| 13:39.20 | valdyn | zrin: so now SUDDENLY you are talking about %wa? |
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| 13:39.31 | valdyn | zrin: why is that ridiculous? |
| 13:39.32 | zrin | valdyn: now I tested raid0 |
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| 13:39.39 | Thms_ | !gspca |
| 13:39.40 | dpkg | The GSPCA driver provides support for digital cameras and webcams based on SPCA5xx chipsets. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask me about <gspca one-liner>. This driver is included in mainline kernels as of 2.6.27. Supported devices: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html . See also <uvcvideo>, <webcam>. |
| 13:39.54 | Thms_ | !gpsca one-liner |
| 13:39.54 | valdyn | zrin: oh, so using different raid levels is creating that difference? |
| 13:40.22 | zrin | valdyn: because I would expect 4x throughput with 4-disk raid0, not 1/4 (one fourth) of the throughput! |
| 13:40.27 | themill | Thms_: you can "/msg dpkg gspca one-liner" and do it in a private message. Check your spelling too.... |
| 13:40.58 | zrin | valdyn: writing to a single disk: >80 MB/s, writing to 4-disk raid0: ~20 MB/s !?! |
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| 13:41.10 | abrotman | swraid ? |
| 13:41.19 | zrin | abrotman: yes, md |
| 13:41.29 | valdyn | zrin: your cpu values look good though |
| 13:41.38 | Thms_ | thanks themill, though there no package for 2.6.30, if the module is included in the kernel how do I do to make it work? |
| 13:41.59 | abrotman | zrin: how are you checking the wa/sy/etc ? |
| 13:42.05 | zrin | valdyn: I understand that, but what happens with the throughput there? |
| 13:42.07 | zrin | abrotman: top |
| 13:42.08 | adrianoc | i want desktop clean, i dont evolution in my desktop |
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| 13:42.34 | abrotman | zrin: you are using '1' to look at all the CPUs .. right ? |
| 13:42.35 | valdyn | zrin: is this stuff on a pci controller? |
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| 13:43.04 | zrin | abrotman: correct, looking at both cores, one remains idle |
| 13:43.07 | valdyn | zrin: is this stuff on a pci bus |
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| 13:43.32 | themill | Thms_: just plugging in the device should be enough |
| 13:43.42 | zrin | valdyn: there is an onboard AMD SB700 chipset and a promise PCI card |
| 13:44.17 | zrin | valdyn: 2 disks on promise, 2 on onboard controller (ahci) |
| 13:44.24 | valdyn | zrin: geez |
| 13:44.31 | valdyn | zrin: are you aware how slow pci is? |
| 13:44.41 | abrotman | 42? |
| 13:44.49 | abrotman | runs away |
| 13:44.58 | valdyn | zrin: bus congestion might be adding to that.. |
| 13:45.12 | zrin | valdyn: but not _that_slow ... writing to a single disk over PCI goes with >80 MB/s |
| 13:45.13 | valdyn | zrin: if you want any performance do not use that pci controller |
| 13:45.23 | Thms_ | themill: [183517.246716] gspca: probe ok |
| 13:45.33 | valdyn | zrin: pci caps at that value, sure |
| 13:45.34 | zrin | valdyn: ok, I'll connect all 4 disks to the onboard controller and test again |
| 13:45.34 | Thms_ | with dmesg, but then I just get a picture the first second and it turns black |
| 13:45.57 | abrotman | zrin: wait .. wtf .. if you have four ports on the mobo, why wouldn't you use those to begin with ? |
| 13:46.20 | zrin | abrotman: promise tx4302 |
| 13:46.41 | abrotman | and what ? |
| 13:46.46 | valdyn | zrin: i dont know exactly why its degrading *that* much but i would never ever use pci for that, your network interface is probably pci too and would make this even slower |
| 13:46.51 | zrin | abrotman: because the first 4 (out of 6) are already used for raid5 with 4 disks |
| 13:47.26 | abrotman | but you have two plugged into the promise controller .. |
| 13:47.26 | zrin | abrotman: I'm trying to build a NAS box |
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| 13:47.53 | zrin | abrotman: 8 disks in total, 6 on onboard controller, 2 on promise card |
| 13:49.04 | zrin | abrotman: now i'll disconnect the first 4 disks (raid5) and test raid0 with 4 disks just with the onboard controller |
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| 13:49.09 | valdyn | zrin: why are you using raid5 at all? |
| 13:49.20 | valdyn | zrin: or is this system only for one concurrent user? |
| 13:49.26 | zrin | valdyn: for backup storage where speed is not important |
| 13:49.33 | valdyn | zrin: alright |
| 13:49.33 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: thats with 3, i should be able to cram one more in there somehow but im already losing frames all over the place... perhaps i will try 100hz |
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| 13:55.44 | phidah | Is there a php 5.3 package in apt? |
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| 13:56.11 | themill | pistache: only in experimental and you don't want to go there.... |
| 13:56.15 | kyxzme | hello |
| 13:56.34 | kyxzme | i am unable to install flashplugin-nonfree .-. |
| 13:56.38 | pistache | themill: ? |
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| 13:56.45 | themill | gah... |
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| 13:56.51 | themill | phidah: only in experimental and you don't want to go there.... |
| 13:56.53 | kyxzme | aptitude tells me it is no longer available |
| 13:56.55 | Thms_ | since I upgraded my kernel and now gspca is included in the kernel my webcam stopped working, anyone can help ? |
| 13:57.10 | phidah | How come it is experimental when it has been out for quite a while? |
| 13:57.13 | phidah | php5.3 that is |
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| 13:57.49 | valdyn | phidah: upstream releasing something does not automaticaly make it suitable for debian |
| 13:57.50 | themill | phidah: it hasn't been out for that long and it's full of lots of horrid bugs that the php developers are still trying to sort out. |
| 13:58.43 | valdyn | !flash |
| 13:58.43 | dpkg | [flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 13:59.17 | kyxzme | !<adobe flash> |
| 13:59.23 | kyxzme | !adobe flash |
| 13:59.24 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 13:59.27 | valdyn | kyxzme: click the URL |
| 13:59.40 | dokma | Anyone here knows what is the best chan for xandros questions? |
| 13:59.46 | kyxzme | valdyn, i've already saw that link |
| 13:59.57 | kyxzme | it tells me to apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:00.02 | kyxzme | but it is no longer available |
| 14:00.07 | valdyn | kyxzme: do you have a problem to read? |
| 14:00.14 | valdyn | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:00.14 | judd | valdyn: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.8 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8 |
| 14:00.20 | valdyn | kyxzme: its just 2 lines |
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| 14:00.58 | valdyn | kyxzme: and the start like that: "Configure your system to use lenny-backports as described here:" |
| 14:01.01 | n-iCe | What's the new ubuntu notification feature package? |
| 14:01.09 | abrotman | n-iCe: ask #ubuntu |
| 14:01.29 | kyxzme | ah |
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| 14:02.26 | n-iCe | abrotman: notifyosd |
| 14:02.29 | n-iCe | can it be installed in Debian? |
| 14:03.16 | abrotman | no idea .. look for yourself |
| 14:03.55 | n-iCe | anyone knows? |
| 14:04.05 | valdyn | !tell n-iCe -about search |
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| 14:04.18 | n-iCe | I don't have Debian |
| 14:04.22 | n-iCe | How do you want me to search |
| 14:04.25 | n-iCe | That's why I'm here asking |
| 14:04.27 | valdyn | n-iCe: but you have an irc client |
| 14:04.34 | valdyn | n-iCe: why are you using IRC when you cannot READ? |
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| 14:04.52 | n-iCe | what's with the IRC client? |
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| 14:05.05 | n-iCe | Can't you just check if debian repos has the package? |
| 14:05.07 | n-iCe | would be nice |
| 14:05.10 | cr3 | anyone happen to know about some debian project to check for package conflicts or errors? I forgot the name of what I'm looking for and can't find it anymore :( |
| 14:05.12 | valdyn | maybe this channel should do a reading test |
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| 14:05.19 | valdyn | before anyone can enter |
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| 14:05.29 | abrotman | n-iCe: packages.debian.org .. check yourself |
| 14:05.34 | valdyn | n-iCe: i just ask you to read what dpkg told you |
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| 14:06.27 | n-iCe | i don't read privates |
| 14:07.03 | themill | n-iCe: You seem to want us to do everything for you. We're not going to ... you need to take some responsibility for this yourself. |
| 14:07.35 | n-iCe | oh sure, must be a hard work |
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| 14:07.46 | abrotman | for you, apparently it is .. |
| 14:08.14 | n-iCe | yes it is a lot of hard work |
| 14:08.21 | kyxzme | i've installed debian compiling a vanilla kernel |
| 14:08.26 | kyxzme | everything works well |
| 14:08.42 | kyxzme | but, what do you think about compiling vanilla on debian? |
| 14:08.59 | kyxzme | 2.6.31 |
| 14:09.01 | abrotman | unless you have a good reason, it's not worth it |
| 14:09.05 | valdyn | kyxzme: its not supported |
| 14:09.39 | kyxzme | can i install 2.6.31 sources with debian-team patches applied?? |
| 14:10.00 | abrotman | kyxzme: you can do whatever you want .. but you won't get help with kernel issues in this channel |
| 14:10.03 | kyxzme | so i can compile supported kernel |
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| 14:10.14 | valdyn | kyxzme: its not supported, period |
| 14:10.18 | abrotman | kyxzme: there's a .30 kernel at backports.org |
| 14:10.24 | valdyn | kyxzme: not even if you apply debian patches |
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| 14:10.58 | kyxzme | where i can find debian patches? sorry i've ever used gentoo linux-distro |
| 14:10.58 | anapivirtua | you can create your kernel package with make-kpkg. |
| 14:11.14 | abrotman | kyxzme: what is wrong with the kernel that was provided by debian ? |
| 14:11.25 | kyxzme | i've a newer netbook |
| 14:11.30 | valdyn | kyxzme: thats linux-patch-debian* packages |
| 14:11.35 | kyxzme | it hasn't atl1c driver |
| 14:11.48 | kyxzme | and pre-2.6.31 netbook speaker doesn't work |
| 14:11.51 | abrotman | do people actually use the wired connection on netbooks ? |
| 14:12.06 | themill | There's a good chance that the debian patches for 2.6.30 won't apply to the 2.6.31 kernel |
| 14:12.08 | asg | abrotman: I disabled mine in the bios ;) |
| 14:12.11 | kyxzme | yes but i'd like to get every interfaces working |
| 14:12.25 | abrotman | asg: yay power saving? |
| 14:12.37 | valdyn | kyxzme: you dont need support if everything is working. |
| 14:12.48 | kyxzme | my wl card is not yet supported |
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| 14:12.53 | pbn | Hello, since did aptitude upgrade on my Debian testing machine, the multimedia keys on my keyboard have no effect. It seems the problem isn't keytouch but something else... any idea ? |
| 14:12.54 | valdyn | kyxzme: you can get a debian kernel when one based on 2.6.31 is released |
| 14:13.13 | kyxzme | so i need wired networking |
| 14:13.21 | kyxzme | bc43xx with low power profile |
| 14:13.24 | asg | abrotman: every little bit helps though I'm unsure if there is any diff between that and removing the kernel module for it. Haven't seen any noticable empirical evidence. |
| 14:14.13 | valdyn | asg: or if enabling powersaving mode with the module loaded is even better |
| 14:14.13 | anapivirtua | kyxzme, why do you need the debian patchs ? |
| 14:14.23 | valdyn | asg: i doubt that though |
| 14:14.36 | asg | valdyn: either way, I seem to get ~4 hours with my regular usage pattern |
| 14:14.46 | kyxzme | it isn't necessary, but it could give me some optmizations not? |
| 14:14.51 | abrotman | asg: pr0n mode halves the battery life? |
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| 14:15.10 | asg | abrotman: sucks it completely ;) |
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| 14:15.20 | valdyn | kyxzme: its unlikely that its relevant to you. debian does not patch that much |
| 14:15.31 | kyxzme | ah okay |
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| 14:18.40 | zrin | I removed the promise pci controller and tested (debian live 2.6.26) with just 4 disks attached to the onboard AMD SB700: writing to a single disk: core1: 40%sy, 63 MB/s; writing to 2 disks (2x dd): core0: 50%sy, core1: 30%sy, 125 MB/s combined; writing to 4 disks: core0: 64%sy, core1: 95%sy, 254 MB/s combined throughput. this throughput looks ok, cpu usage looks high to me, but ... |
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| 14:18.43 | zrin | writing to 4-disk raid0 with 64K chunk: core1: 13%sy, 24 MB/s throughput?!? |
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| 14:20.13 | zrin | promise controller in or out, raid0 performance is ... defeating. something has to be very wrong there !? |
| 14:20.22 | valdyn | zrin: yes |
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| 14:20.35 | valdyn | zrin: maybe no one uses raid0 so that bug can go unseen |
| 14:20.43 | valdyn | zrin: 4 disk raid0 is insane anyway |
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| 14:21.10 | zrin | valdyn: hmm, ok, i'll try raid0 with 2 disks and raid10 with 4 as well |
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| 14:24.14 | karmatronic | hi buddies |
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| 14:25.28 | karmatronic | anyone knows a good PIM/task manager app? |
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| 14:26.22 | themill | karmatronic: kontact |
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| 14:27.46 | zrin | tested (debian live 2.6.26 again) writing (dd) to raid0 over 2 disks: cpu1: 8%sy, 21 MB/s throughput |
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| 14:28.04 | zrin | can I assume that there is something wrong with md? |
| 14:28.34 | zrin | I'll test with different mainboard as well :( |
| 14:29.02 | karmatronic | themill: thanks.tried anythin similar under gnome? |
| 14:29.02 | pbn | Hi there. Hm, in Debian testing, there's no more nvidia hardware acceleration support, we're waiting for nvidia-glx 185.18.36-2 and it appears it's blocked by new bugs: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-graphics-drivers ... not having nvidia acceleration in testing is really a pain, would be nice if this could be fixed :) ... thank you |
| 14:29.36 | karmatronic | pbn: you can always get package from nividia site... |
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| 14:30.20 | themill | karmatronic: no idea.... evolution perhaps? icedove with its calendar extension (perhaps even the calendar thingy on its own... no idea what it's called this week though) |
| 14:30.24 | pbn | karmatronic: yeah but I find that "nasty"... and from nvidia's site I don't get the nvidia-glx-ia32 package... |
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| 14:32.26 | pbn | it's more than one month, and on both 32-bit and 64-bit testing... |
| 14:33.06 | kyxzme | does debian supports medibuntu? |
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| 14:33.58 | abrotman | does it sound like 'debian' ? |
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| 14:34.43 | kyxzme | ubuntu uses deb-based packages |
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| 14:34.53 | kyxzme | so i thought that those are compatible |
| 14:34.59 | abrotman | no |
| 14:35.06 | abrotman | are RH and SuSE packages compatible ? |
| 14:35.21 | kyxzme | gentoo and sabayon packages are |
| 14:35.47 | mmp | kyxzme: .deb format is compatible, the content isn't |
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| 14:36.08 | mmp | differnt distros, different builds, library versions, config flags, .. |
| 14:36.15 | kyxzme | thank you mmp |
| 14:36.36 | mmp | kyxzme: np, if it helped :) |
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| 14:37.15 | kyxzme | yes to satisfy my kind of curiosity ;-d |
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| 14:37.34 | karmatronic | kyxzme: most of what s on this medibuntu thing is available on debian anyway |
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| 14:37.46 | zion | Hi, where could I find the installer that match with current netinst testing? |
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| 14:38.00 | karmatronic | kyxzme: mostly from debian http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 14:38.18 | somiaj | zion:I'd suggest just using the lenny installer then once you have a base install, update your sources to testing and continue on from there. |
| 14:38.21 | themill | kyxzme: there's a debian-med team that coordinates much of the med- and bio-related packages in debian. |
| 14:38.35 | kyxzme | zion, what kind of problem do you have? i've installed debian yesterday via netinst, on a netbook with usb stick |
| 14:38.49 | karmatronic | kyxzme: eeepc? |
| 14:38.56 | zion | somiaj: thanx but with lenny installer my NIC isn't detected |
| 14:38.56 | kyxzme | hp mini 110c |
| 14:39.15 | zrin | tested raid1 over 2 disks: writing: core1: 19%sy, 24 MB/s; reading: core1: 27%sy, 124 MB/s; write throughput should be >60 MB/s |
| 14:39.19 | kyxzme | themill, ill give a shot to debian-multimedia |
| 14:39.24 | zion | kyxzme: installer kernel and iso module mismatch |
| 14:39.40 | karmatronic | kyxzme: it s a good one. |
| 14:40.01 | dutchfish | zrin, are those disks sata or pata ? |
| 14:40.12 | kyxzme | karmatronic, it isn't slow |
| 14:40.15 | zrin | dutchfish: sata |
| 14:40.28 | zrin | dutchfish: onboard AMD SB700 |
| 14:40.29 | kyxzme | zion, are you trying to create usb stick installer? |
| 14:40.37 | zion | kyxzme: yes |
| 14:40.43 | kyxzme | okay then |
| 14:40.44 | dutchfish | zrin, any more info on that particular disks? |
| 14:41.10 | kyxzme | first of all you have to create a partition sdX1 on your pendrive vfat formatted |
| 14:41.11 | mmp | hello; I'm trying to set up pam_mount to automagically mount user's home (via fuse/sshfs) at login; but I'm getting mixed results -- local 'su' seems to work, but when connecting via ssh, it looks like it doesn't properly pass the password (fd0ssh doesn't write proper password to ssh; found out via strace); anyone with experience? |
| 14:41.13 | zrin | dutchfish: WD 500 GB, write performance to a single disk is always >63 MB/s |
| 14:41.20 | kyxzme | with cfdisk and mkdosfs you did? |
| 14:41.32 | bugjar | mmp : ssh -t ? |
| 14:41.33 | dutchfish | zrin, did you check if those have a firmware upgrade? |
| 14:42.22 | mmp | bugjar: did not try it yet, but why does it work with 'su' then? |
| 14:42.31 | dutchfish | zrin, 2nd what kernel/debian version? |
| 14:42.40 | zrin | dutchfish: yes, and I tested with seagate disks as well where I did upgrade the firmware; writing to a single disk goes with ~80 MB/s, writing to raid0 or raid1 with ~24 MB/s |
| 14:42.59 | dutchfish | zrin, ok, kernel? |
| 14:43.18 | zrin | dutchfish: debian live 2.6.26-amd64, I'm using debian live to exclude configuration problems |
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| 14:43.39 | dutchfish | zrin, could you by any means try 2.6.30-bpo ? |
| 14:43.44 | zrin | dutchfish: i.e. just for testing, but 2.6.30 gave same or similar results |
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| 14:44.16 | zrin | dutchfish: that was the first kernel I tested with |
| 14:44.22 | dutchfish | zrin, ok |
| 14:44.54 | dutchfish | zrin, x86 or x86_64? |
| 14:45.05 | zrin | dutchfish: now I'll take a different mainboard and test again, this is frustrating ... amd64 |
| 14:45.29 | bugjar | mmp : dunno, exactly. give it a try, tho. it WILL properly hide passwords under "sudo" |
| 14:45.42 | dutchfish | zrin, i hear you .... mm... |
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| 14:46.42 | dutchfish | zrin, what raid type where you testing? |
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| 14:47.45 | zrin | dutchfish: md, I tested raid0, raid1 and raid10 along with parallel dd from and to the disks for comparison |
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| 14:47.58 | dutchfish | zrin, and all the raidx have the same issue? |
| 14:48.07 | zrin | dutchfish: yes, it seems so |
| 14:48.34 | dutchfish | zrin, my best bet is your softraid fimrware, 2nd driver mismatches |
| 14:48.49 | zrin | dutchfish: dd, even 4x in parallel, gives about the normal throughput of ~63 MB/s per disk |
| 14:48.59 | frostschutz | small stripes? |
| 14:49.13 | dutchfish | frostschutz, no thats not it |
| 14:49.39 | zrin | dutchfish: I'm not using softraid (i.e. dmraid), so there is no firmware, I'm using linux raid (md) |
| 14:50.01 | dutchfish | zrin, so you sure there is no softraid in the bios? |
| 14:50.28 | zrin | dutchfish: yes, bio is set to ahci, not raid |
| 14:50.55 | dutchfish | zrin, my first bet is bios |
| 14:51.27 | dutchfish | zrin, on what chipset again? |
| 14:51.35 | zrin | dutchfish: ok, then it should behave differently on a different mainboard |
| 14:51.41 | dutchfish | zrin, yes |
| 14:51.47 | zrin | dutchfish: http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Motherboards/detail_spec.aspx?ID=en-us0000371 |
| 14:51.58 | zrin | dutchfish: AMD 780G + SB700 |
| 14:52.15 | zrin | dutchfish: updated to the latest BIOS |
| 14:52.31 | dutchfish | nods |
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| 14:53.23 | zinx | zrin: raid1 is always going to write slower, raid0 will depending on the block size of the raid / block size of the filesystem |
| 14:53.33 | dutchfish | zinx, true |
| 14:54.05 | zrin | zinx: yes, but not _that_ slow, 24 MB/s is ridiculous |
| 14:54.09 | dutchfish | but 25% of single disk speed is still less then expected |
| 14:54.19 | bzed | zinx: slower is the wrong word, not faster as the slowest disk is probably better |
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| 14:54.55 | zrin | zinx: I'm testing without a file system, writing directly to the md device, e.g. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/md3 |
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| 14:55.25 | dutchfish | zrin, did you check that your raid i snot degraded atm? |
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| 14:55.48 | fredl | Hmm, this is odd. This Debian installer main menu for Lenny only has LILO. |
| 14:55.50 | dutchfish | zrin, that would hose up speed |
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| 14:56.13 | zrin | dutchfish: yes, for raid0 and raid1: I created them with --assume-clean |
| 14:56.31 | dutchfish | zrin, thats not the way i would do |
| 14:56.31 | zrin | dutchfish: and the problem is the same with raid0 as well |
| 14:56.32 | zinx | zrin: try bs=$[256*1024] |
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| 14:56.49 | fredl | debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:57.00 | xeon-enouf | that's because you a) have /boot as ext4 or b) have /boot on LVM |
| 14:57.18 | xeon-enouf | neither which grub-legacy supports |
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| 14:57.23 | xeon-enouf | +of |
| 14:57.24 | abrotman | fredl: what options did you use during install ? |
| 14:57.31 | zrin | zinx: I'll test again with bs=256K and with a file system as well, raid0 has 64K chunk size |
| 14:57.52 | fredl | abrotman - installed two RAID1 disks, put LVM2 on top of that. |
| 14:58.05 | fredl | and I have a separate boot / root partition and then some. |
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| 14:58.18 | xeon-enouf | fredl: is /boot on lvm? |
| 14:58.28 | fredl | xeon-enouf, Hmm, that would explain why I'm getting only LILO |
| 14:58.34 | fredl | xeon-enouf, yuppers. |
| 14:58.39 | xeon-enouf | there ya go |
| 14:58.43 | zrin | dutchfish: I got first impression of something being wrong with initial raid10 sync going on very slow |
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| 14:59.02 | fredl | interesting. grub-pc does support an LVM /boot ? |
| 14:59.06 | xeon-enouf | zrin: that's not real world (with no FS), unfortunately, - but also try 'dt' (and once a FS, bonnie++) |
| 14:59.09 | dutchfish | zrin, wrong ... in creation of the raid? |
| 14:59.26 | xeon-enouf | fredl: grub2 (grub-pc) does, yes |
| 14:59.39 | zrin | dutchfish: I created raid1 and raid10 with --assume-clean just to be able to test without waiting |
| 14:59.44 | xeon-enouf | fredl: see grub.enbug.org wiki area or search |
| 14:59.46 | fredl | but that's not built into the installed yet I guess huh? |
| 14:59.55 | zrin | xeon-enouf: I will |
| 15:00.02 | dutchfish | zrin, i have bad expirience with md and --assume-clean |
| 15:00.04 | xeon-enouf | nope, it's still beta fredl |
| 15:00.12 | zrin | dutchfish: I understanf that |
| 15:00.29 | fredl | xeon-enouf, aha. Is is installable afterwards on Lenny though? |
| 15:00.42 | dutchfish | zrin, it will still has to finish it while you go on, impacting your system heavely |
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| 15:01.26 | xeon-enouf | fredl: hrm, see backports.org |
| 15:01.37 | zrin | dutchfish: It shouldn't matter, because with raid1 you're writing to both disks anyway ... |
| 15:02.03 | fredl | 'k |
| 15:02.37 | dutchfish | zrin, it does mather, cpu-wise, we are talking soft-raid here |
| 15:02.47 | xeon-enouf | zrin: this is the dt i mean, though i haven't tried it, i've read much about it awhile back - so caveat emptor; http://home.comcast.net/~SCSIguy/SCSI_FAQ/RMiller_Tools/dt.html and for raid0 try adjusting chunk size |
| 15:03.09 | zrin | xeon-enouf: thank you |
| 15:03.33 | xeon-enouf | fredl: or, just move /boot off of LVM ;-) make it small and ext2 :-P |
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| 15:04.06 | patrick-- | Hey all |
| 15:04.26 | patrick-- | Im tring to filter some logcheck messages, but i cant get the regex right for them can anyone give me a hand? http://pastebin.ca/1572928 |
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| 15:04.43 | fredl | hmmm that's a thought but should I bother to do that for *legacy* grub? |
| 15:05.41 | xeon-enouf | up to you |
| 15:05.52 | jamon | patrick--: fix the locale issue and you won't get the messages? |
| 15:06.03 | xeon-enouf | fredl: grub2 is entirely different |
| 15:07.03 | pakito | juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html |
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| 15:07.16 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, thank you! didnt know about dt |
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| 15:08.22 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: let me know your impressions, i'm curious ;-) |
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| 15:08.32 | fredl | hmm I'm now trying to recompile my NIC driver on a freshly installed system but make complains about /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/build not being there. |
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| 15:08.45 | fredl | any idea why that would not be there? |
| 15:08.46 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, sure thing |
| 15:08.50 | xeon-enouf | fredl: that's generated via installing -headers- |
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| 15:09.12 | fredl | aha I see. One more thing to add to the list :) |
| 15:09.39 | xeon-enouf | fredl: IOW, that's a symlink that points to /usr/src/$KERNVER-headers/ or similar |
| 15:10.03 | jamon | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 15:10.13 | fredl | 'k lemme just see that I install the current kernel's headers and see if that fixes it. |
| 15:10.23 | xeon-enouf | fredl: $ ll /lib/modules/2.6.30-1-686/build |
| 15:10.23 | xeon-enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2009-08-09 07:54 /lib/modules/2.6.30-1-686/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 15:10.58 | jamon | i think linux-headers-2.6-amd64 is a metapackage for various versions you might need fredl |
| 15:11.29 | fredl | looks like it, I installed linux-headers-`uname -r` and got a bunch of things. |
| 15:11.45 | fredl | and the build link is there too now, gracias :) |
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| 15:14.45 | fredl | LOL, fubar I made my /boot too small to generate a new initrd :-) |
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| 15:15.43 | xeon-enouf | heh - fredl make it 100M atleast - more if you want many kernels :-P |
| 15:16.45 | xeon-enouf | fredl: i have 2 debian kernels+initrds + grub, etc |
| 15:16.46 | xeon-enouf | 33M /boot |
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| 15:17.17 | fredl | I only made it 20M :P |
| 15:17.24 | fredl | so I fucked up :P |
| 15:17.34 | fredl | anyway, I should be able to resize it on the fly now. |
| 15:17.48 | xeon-enouf | it likely wants some free space as well, for formation/generation of initrd |
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| 15:18.12 | markybob_ | initrd is the devil |
| 15:18.19 | markybob_ | my /boot currently has 4.4M in use |
| 15:18.28 | xeon-enouf | markybob_: what's your thoughts about dracut? |
| 15:18.40 | xeon-enouf | !dracut |
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| 15:18.41 | dpkg | i heard dracut is a "cross-distribution" initramfs (a cpio archive of the initial filesystem that gets loaded into memory at boot time) which looks to replace the initramfs patchwork. http://lwn.net/Articles/317793/ |
| 15:18.46 | fredl | I'll just make it 100MB, not like I don't have enough space available :P |
| 15:19.11 | Multiply | Why is it, that oidentd only binds to the IPv6 interface? (IPv4 returns "NO-USER") |
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| 15:19.33 | markybob_ | xeon-enouf, eh. for generic kernels that come with a distro, sure. but if you're doing your own thing, things such as that irk me |
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| 15:20.57 | xeon-enouf | aye .. well, newer kernel-package doesn't make an initrd anymore, even if the --initrd flag is given to make-kpkg; one must place scripts from examples given into /etc/kernel/ dir (new) - that's AIUI |
| 15:21.20 | divisionbell | hi, i have a problem with my debian installation, i installed 5.01 and it never shows updates, i don't have connection problems, i didn't update from a disk or anything else, i just doesn't see the updates |
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| 15:21.46 | markybob_ | divisionbell, dpaste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:23.09 | fredl | hmm...is anybody else also having intermittent problems accessing a lot of sites today? |
| 15:23.21 | divisionbell | # |
| 15:23.22 | divisionbell | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20090413-00:33]/ lenny contrib main |
| 15:23.22 | divisionbell | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 Update DVD 20090414: i386 DVD 1]/ lenny contrib main non-free |
| 15:23.22 | divisionbell | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-5 20090413-00:33]/ lenny contrib main |
| 15:23.22 | divisionbell | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-4 20090413-00:33]/ lenny contrib main |
| 15:23.22 | divisionbell | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-3 20090413-00:33]/ lenny contrib main |
| 15:23.22 | fredl | could be my provider is fubar again... |
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| 15:24.00 | markybob_ | divisionbell i said dpaste. not paste |
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| 15:24.20 | Dominicus | Is the volatile repository still being maintained? |
| 15:24.23 | divisionbell | sorry :) |
| 15:24.32 | xeon-enouf | !volatile |
| 15:24.33 | dpkg | volatile is probably a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 15:24.39 | markybob_ | divisionbell, and by the looks of it, you only have dvd in your sources. not any online repositories...thus no updates |
| 15:25.22 | Dominicus | Thanks xeon-enouf. But when I update from the repositories I get 404 from that and one of the mirrors. |
| 15:25.24 | xeon-enouf | you want what "/msg dpkg mirrors" tells you divisionbell |
| 15:25.30 | divisionbell | hmm |
| 15:25.32 | divisionbell | i see |
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| 15:25.44 | xeon-enouf | divisionbell: and comment out those cdrom/DVD lines |
| 15:26.06 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: possibly temporary? |
| 15:26.22 | divisionbell | ok |
| 15:26.46 | divisionbell | i see, i'll add online repos to apt |
| 15:26.50 | divisionbell | thanks |
| 15:26.51 | xeon-enouf | divisionbell: also; /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 15:27.30 | divisionbell | thanks. |
| 15:27.38 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: all other net works for you? .. and how about if you visit directly, or via IP |
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| 15:28.21 | divisionbell | one more thing, debian didn't automatically set my wireless card, how can i solve this issue |
| 15:28.30 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: fwiw, i can get to http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile just fine with a browser |
| 15:28.33 | divisionbell | i have msi m645 laptop |
| 15:28.44 | xeon-enouf | !tell divisionbell -about wifi howto |
| 15:29.06 | xeon-enouf | divisionbell: is that a 'netbook'? or something? /msg dpkg netbook |
| 15:29.40 | zinx | divisionbell: what wireless card does it have? |
| 15:30.27 | xeon-enouf | the chip divisionbell is what zinx wants, lspci -nn | egrep -i 'wireless|wifi' |
| 15:30.58 | divisionbell | 02:09.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection [8086:4220] (rev 05) |
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| 15:32.44 | xeon-enouf | judd: pciid 8086:4220 |
| 15:32.45 | judd | xeon-enouf: [8086:4220] is 'PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ipw2200' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4220 http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
| 15:33.02 | xeon-enouf | ahh ipw2200 in lenny |
| 15:33.08 | chellomere | divisionbell, firmware-ipw2x00 |
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| 15:34.05 | divisionbell | hmmm, i remember something like that while installing, it asked for a firmware usb driver, ipw3300 or 2300 i guess |
| 15:34.06 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: Well that's why. I usually change the etch and lenny names into oldstable, stable, yada yada. Because I hate trying to keep track of these version names. That's what was breaking the retrieval. |
| 15:34.32 | xeon-enouf | divisionbell: oh - /msg dpkg security (just to follow up on your <mirror> and updates debacle) |
| 15:34.52 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: ouch ... and yikes! ;-P |
| 15:35.16 | fredl | awesome, reproduced installation including RAID1, LVM, r8168 NIC driver and fglrx in under an hour. |
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| 15:35.52 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: the names allow one to 'track' their Release, and not inadvertantly get upgraded to stable/testing/unstable |
| 15:36.03 | fredl | I'm going to go redo it again tonight with a non-LVM /boot to get GRUB installed as well. |
| 15:36.42 | fredl | and then it's time to automate the install and do some disaster recovery drills. |
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| 15:37.01 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: that only occurs once ~1.5-2 yrs, but when it does happen; all hell breaks loose ;-) .. when that amount of time passes, people forget what's in their sources.list ;-) |
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| 15:37.12 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: But as stime progresses, the user's system falls behind if they don't upgrade to the next new version of stable. |
| 15:37.52 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: indeed - but Stable + OldStable are supported for a total time of approx 4 yrs? |
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| 15:38.24 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: erm, when using Etch for example instead of Stable, when it was Stable |
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| 15:38.51 | xeon-enouf | etch was released in april 2007 - supported through 2/2010 atleast, IINM |
| 15:39.00 | xeon-enouf | so 3 yrs, my bad |
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| 15:39.28 | themill | Dominicus: it's recommended to use code names not release states in your sources.list to prevent unexpected, horrible breakages. /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
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| 15:40.44 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: hopefully within 3 yrs, theyve learned the diffs between "upgrade" and " |
| 15:40.54 | xeon-enouf | "dist-upgrade" ;-) |
| 15:41.21 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: Yeah, whenevr I've tried dist-upgrade, it usually broke stuff. |
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| 15:41.44 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: except for that one time I intentionally went to testing. |
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| 15:42.17 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: /msg dpkg etch->lenny (for example) ..etc,.etc.. read Release-notes, yaddayadda |
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| 15:43.34 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: mixing Stable<->Testing == bad , but /msg dpkg tum ;-) |
| 15:43.58 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: for Stable, there's BPO, backports, etc |
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| 15:45.14 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: BPO is backports? |
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| 15:46.22 | sepult` | how can i add a debian host running in a chroot to my hosts ? |
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| 15:47.08 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: Why does that dpkg tum make reference to sid, when sid == unstable? |
| 15:47.25 | themill | sepult`: there's not really a machine running in that chroot. It doesn't have different network devices. |
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| 15:47.36 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: Isn't unstable always equal sid? |
| 15:47.55 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: yes, bpo == backports.org - and mixing testing<->unstable isn;t as bad as aforemtnioned mix |
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| 15:48.00 | xeon-enouf | yes |
| 15:48.25 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: so, for Security and Servers it's likely not wise ;-) |
| 15:48.50 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: note; bpo == unofficial, as far as security goes, IINM |
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| 15:50.08 | sepult` | themill: so why do i get errors then of packages relying on |
| 15:50.08 | sepult` | network stuff ?! |
| 15:50.36 | themill | sepult`: try being more vague if possible... |
| 15:51.09 | sepult` | themill: bind9 for example gives trouble |
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| 15:51.29 | themill | dpkg: tell sepult` about ask |
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| 15:52.14 | themill | sepult`: feel free to give us specific examples of what it is you're trying to do and what the "trouble" is. Use a pastebin for output. |
| 15:52.14 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: Hmmm. so what options would one have if they had stable and wanted open office 3? Last i knew, i had to setup pin priorities and specifically install from unstable for that. |
| 15:52.32 | themill | sepult`: I'll guess, however, that you need to set /etc/resolv.conf to something sensible in your chroot. |
| 15:52.42 | themill | Dominicus: OOo3.1.1 is on bpo |
| 15:52.48 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: you a) use backports.org, or b) generate your own backport |
| 15:53.12 | Dominicus | is bpo for just stable then? |
| 15:53.16 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: sometimes, it's not possible .. as for example kde4 stuffs in Lenny .. |
| 15:53.19 | xeon-enouf | yes |
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| 15:53.25 | themill | Dominicus: there's no need for backports for testing |
| 15:53.39 | themill | Dominicus: and you really really don't want to try to mix stable and squeeze or sid for anything other than very small perl or java packages that have few deps or rdeps. |
| 15:54.00 | l3x | i am using debian what kind of converter can i use to convert divx to avi? |
| 15:54.03 | xeon-enouf | themill: although, at one point, someone made some kde4 backports for squeeze when there were only experimental bits? |
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| 15:54.23 | markybob_ | l3x, that doesnt make sense. divx is a codec and avi is a wrapper |
| 15:54.55 | themill | xeon-enouf: true but that was mainly because of the lenny release anyway (so sid was slushy at the time) |
| 15:55.01 | l3x | well i have these Buckethead videos but they are in a divx file and i can't burn them on a dvd |
| 15:55.05 | xeon-enouf | right!o |
| 15:55.09 | xeon-enouf | !slushy |
| 15:55.09 | dpkg | somebody said slushy was when a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 15:55.27 | markybob_ | l3x, then you need to convert divx to mpeg2, not to avi |
| 15:55.49 | negge | does anyone know if running an fsck repair on an XFS filesystem is faster than on ext3 filesystems, especially when the filesystem is many TB in size |
| 15:55.50 | xeon-enouf | l3x: and they will be much larger ;-) |
| 15:55.50 | l3x | o i see. i didn't know that. do you know a converter that can do that? |
| 15:55.55 | markybob_ | l3x, http://www.transcoding.org/transcode there are examples on their wiki as how |
| 15:56.10 | xeon-enouf | l3x: see #mplayer or #vlc or #xine or /msg dpkg dmm (to start) |
| 15:56.51 | markybob_ | l3x, in particular http://www.transcoding.org/transcode?action=browse&id=Examples/All_To_DVD&oldid=Examples_All_To_DVD |
| 15:58.10 | l3x | thanx markybob_ |
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| 15:59.42 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: So to recap, stable is best, mixing it with BPO is preferred to mixing it with testing. And Testing shouldn't be mixed with bpo (because bpo is built against stable), and can be mixed with unstable but since it's "unstable" use at your own risk. That about right? |
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| 16:00.44 | cakra | Hi guys. What to type to configure xorg-xserver? |
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| 16:00.59 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: yep ;-) |
| 16:01.07 | DeSian_ | cakra, dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:01.27 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: Sweet! There is a glimmer of hope for me yet. |
| 16:01.37 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: stuff in unstable migrates down to testing after ~10days _if_ no major issues are reported/found |
| 16:01.39 | cakra | thx |
| 16:02.24 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: that's why it's more ok to mix testing/unstable - however, one might choose to create their own testing backport from unstable software |
| 16:03.15 | et | and you can create backports yourself for stable |
| 16:03.16 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: it all depends on the Depends, and if said admin wants to pull in unstable depends |
| 16:03.22 | xeon-enouf | indeed |
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| 16:03.58 | l3x | markybob_, i just changed the extention to avi :) |
| 16:04.16 | DeSian_ | et, shoen dich hier zu sehen meister :) |
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| 16:06.08 | Schuenemann | hi |
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| 16:07.06 | Schuenemann | how can I specify the dhcp timeout during boot? When I boot not around my wireless network, it wastes a lot of time trying to connec |
| 16:07.06 | Schuenemann | connect* |
| 16:08.19 | xeon-enouf | Schuenemann: make your wifi 'allow-hotplug' ? |
| 16:08.20 | themill | Schuenemann: you might be better off with a wireless connection manager for that instead. Either something like ifplugd or network-manager or wicd. That way, you only try to connect if the network is known to be there. |
| 16:08.36 | valdyn | Schuenemann: if you use allow-hotplug instead of auto for that interface then the dhcp set happens asynchronously |
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| 16:11.37 | dkay | hello, need help to remove gnash flash plugin! |
| 16:12.20 | dkay | someone can tell me how to list all the packages and installed plugins? |
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| 16:13.01 | markrian | dkay: dpkg -l |
| 16:14.11 | dkay | wow, it works. how to slow down the list? or only 20 per request? |
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| 16:14.24 | markrian | dkay: dpkg -l | less |
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| 16:14.30 | dkay | :) |
| 16:14.31 | dkay | nice |
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| 16:14.44 | xeon-enouf | dkay: installed plugins? maybe update-alternatives, or use your browser's iface; such as 'about:plugins' in Iceweasel/Firefox.. but, if installed and not configured properly, they might not show up there |
| 16:15.27 | xeon-enouf | dkay: dpkg -l | grep ^.i | less (for installed pkgs only) |
| 16:15.35 | dkay | thats right, have heard about that command. and thats because why i am try to deinstall gnash |
| 16:15.49 | dkay | my flash in firefox wont work but it is installed and activated |
| 16:16.18 | dkay | flashapps are trying to load but they never load to the end |
| 16:16.19 | xeon-enouf | something like flash-plugin.so in update-alternatives perhaps? |
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| 16:17.10 | dkay | i dont know. i need to clean or remove all flashplugins. i have tried 3 different way. thats maybe the problem |
| 16:17.11 | xeon-enouf | or mozilla-plugin .. or somesuch .. as root/sudo; update-alternatives --config [TAB][TAB] |
| 16:17.35 | xeon-enouf | !gnash |
| 16:17.35 | dpkg | somebody said gnash was a GNU project to create a free software <Flash> player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ for more information. Ask me about <gnash_etch>. |
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| 16:18.30 | dkay | gnash is installed on the system and i also have another flashplugin for firefox running |
| 16:18.39 | Gentoochild | hi guys?n?gals. I?got a small problem with my old laptop (hasn?t been booted in some months) |
| 16:18.56 | Gentoochild | radeon driver segfaults upon starting X, because /dev/dri/cards0 isn't there |
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| 16:19.12 | Gentoochild | DRI however seems to be loaded |
| 16:19.29 | dkay | and i have heard that this can be a problem |
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| 16:19.50 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 16:19.59 | dury | just to ask that (it's curious) this dynamic IP it's not public and some dynamic IP are public... why? |
| 16:20.03 | Gentoochild | xorg.log: http://pastebin.com/d30d56229 |
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| 16:20.44 | Schuenemann | xeon-enouf, valdyn, so instead of "auto lo wlan0", "allow-hotplug lo wlan0"? |
| 16:20.50 | Schuenemann | just that/ |
| 16:21.01 | Walex | Gentoochild: create it. |
| 16:21.12 | Gentoochild | I read that would happen automatically |
| 16:21.22 | Walex | dury: depends on your ISP. |
| 16:21.33 | Walex | Gentoochild: that is always a good hope ;-) |
| 16:21.57 | Gentoochild | Walex: actually, it worked in the past. Something must have changed that. Well, I'll try creating it anyway |
| 16:23.29 | dury | Walex: depends on my ISP... but what could be the features then |
| 16:23.57 | xeon-enouf | Schuenemann: no, the dhcp line for wlan0, /msg dpkg interfaces ; /msg dpkg wifi howto |
| 16:24.36 | dury | Walex: would you explain it roughly if you don't mind? |
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| 16:25.53 | Schuenemann | xeon-enouf, sorry, which one? This is how my file is: http://pastebin.ca/1572991 |
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| 16:26.01 | xeon-enouf | Schuenemann: crap - my bad - you should have 'auto wlan0'\n 'iface wlan0 inet dhcp' now.. yes? |
| 16:26.17 | xeon-enouf | alter the auto to allow-hotplug |
| 16:26.28 | Schuenemann | ok, I'll try. thanks |
| 16:26.37 | xeon-enouf | Schuenemann: see what dpkg tells you |
| 16:26.43 | Schuenemann | ok |
| 16:26.50 | Schuenemann | I followed a tutorial to do that |
| 16:26.56 | xeon-enouf | Schuenemann: you do those in your irc client - it'sthe channel bot |
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| 16:27.09 | Schuenemann | I know that :-/ |
| 16:27.23 | xeon-enouf | Schuenemann: what's ls /sys/class/net say? |
| 16:27.31 | praseodym | why do I get an error "make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'." when I try to use dpatch-edit-patch? |
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| 16:27.45 | Schuenemann | xeon-enouf, eth0 lo wlan0 wmaster0 |
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| 16:29.17 | Schuenemann | xeon-enouf, anything wrong there? |
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| 16:29.35 | oxi | hi |
| 16:30.06 | oxi | I'm trying to bind port 110 (pop3) from the tomcat6 user in Squeeze |
| 16:30.14 | oxi | I get an access denied |
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| 16:30.33 | oxi | Can anyone help me which things I should check? |
| 16:30.51 | themill | oxi: only root can bind ports below 1024 |
| 16:31.18 | oxi | themill: tomcat6 is already binding 80 |
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| 16:31.36 | oxi | themill: it's running as init.d daemon |
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| 16:31.50 | themill | oxi: so it's presumably not running as the tomcat6 user when it does that then... |
| 16:31.50 | twisted` | anyone using VMWare Server on Debian here? |
| 16:31.51 | oxi | what could be controlling the permissions? |
| 16:31.55 | Dominicus | With the Debian Multimedia repository, should I be pinning so that things from that aren't brought in because there appears to be a never version in there than in debian stable? |
| 16:32.31 | Dominicus | cringes at all his typing mistakes. |
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| 16:33.07 | oxi | themill: ps aux tells me jsvc is running as "tomcat6" |
| 16:33.59 | themill | oxi: it must have been running at root to start with and then dropped its privileges after it bound port 80. That's a pretty common thing to do. But it most definitely had to be root to bind port 80 to begin with |
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| 16:34.28 | oxi | themill: hmm, that's very possible :-) |
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| 16:36.06 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: 'apt-cache policy' output will show you which repos havea higher priority |
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| 16:37.09 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: if your other repos are same priority, you might want to consider pinning (dmm) then, yes |
| 16:37.30 | oxi | themill: thought I see nothing like that looking at the init.d/tomcat6 script |
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| 16:38.02 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: (same .. or higher than dmm) |
| 16:38.03 | oxi | themill: the jsvc binary might be doing that though |
| 16:38.04 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: sweet. Thanks. I'm not used to what apt-cache does for me just yet, and I just noticed that DMM was giving me upgrade to stuff that I already had, merely because they were there. |
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| 16:38.32 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: sure - /msg dpkg reference ; /msg dpkg grounding ;-) |
| 16:38.43 | themill | oxi: yes, it would normally need to be inside the actual daemon. |
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| 16:41.09 | Dominicus | xeon-enouf: lol, yes. I have been cluttering up this channel with questions the past couple days. =) Thanks. |
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| 16:42.13 | meerkirf | Hi, I'm on lenny 64 and I'd like to install the awesome window manager from testing. I added a testing deb line to my sources.list, and made a preferences file, and then tried to install. |
| 16:42.27 | meerkirf | I got the following output: http://pastebin.com/mfde4d99 |
| 16:43.09 | meerkirf | I'm new to debian, so I'm not quite sure what this means. Is there some way to force apt to install those dependencies from testing? |
| 16:44.06 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: heh, no worries ; also don't forget to update prior to installing/searching for pkgs, since you want your cache up-to-date |
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| 16:44.39 | th0ger | meerkirf: is your whole system testing? |
| 16:45.03 | brsoft | is there any application that when you start swapping and the server gets high loads detect it and restart apache and mysql ? |
| 16:45.18 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: can you tell me the (IDE/PATA) Controller thatwas giving you issues with the CDROM detection? |
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| 16:45.21 | axp | i want to give my users a web panel for ftp. is there a program that does this? |
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| 16:45.37 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: lspci -nn .. show me the PATA one? |
| 16:45.39 | meerkirf | th0ger: no, my whole system is lenny. |
| 16:46.02 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: i realize a newer .30 kernel installer worked eventually? |
| 16:46.03 | meerkirf | th0ger: ideally, I'd like to keep lenny and move the least amount necessessary to testing packages for awesome. |
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| 16:47.14 | meerkirf | alternately... how unstable *is* testing, anyway? I prefer to always keep my computer on, and sometimes I need to run days-long computations for my school that I really, really can't afford to lose in a crash. |
| 16:47.16 | axp | is there a better alternative than webmin for ftp administration? |
| 16:48.08 | okaratas | I'm away.. |
| 16:48.37 | xeon-enouf | Dominicus: some Mobos are wanky in that they don't allow booting from drives connected to certain ports, and most times, it's in heavily-vested SATA systems, that can handle 4-6 or 8 drives, and the IDE controller has only 1 Channel , and doesn't allow booting from it - although, i realize you _did_ boot from cd, it was during Installer 'Detection of cdrom' |
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| 16:49.33 | xeon-enouf | meerkirf: once it runs ok, it's usually ok - but use Stable to be most assured as possible |
| 16:50.11 | th0ger | meerkirf: if you only added a single testing line, my guess is that the broken packages are located elsewhere. Just a guess. |
| 16:50.11 | xeon-enouf | meerkirf: it's when people install new things, upgrade, or otherwise that shit usuallybreaks then |
| 16:50.29 | xeon-enouf | meerkirf: install apt-listbugs, and apt-listchanges |
| 16:50.32 | themill | dpkg: tell okaratas about away |
| 16:50.42 | xeon-enouf | meerkirf: follow BTS, subscribe perhaps |
| 16:50.50 | meerkirf | xeon-enouf: hmm. Well, I barely ever install new things. I do keep up to date with security packages though. |
| 16:51.08 | xeon-enouf | meerkirf: on Testing, security is not there .. |
| 16:51.12 | xeon-enouf | !testing security |
| 16:51.12 | dpkg | NOTE: there will be no testing security support for some time. Put "deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Squeeze. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask about <d-s-a><apt-listchanges>. |
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| 16:51.36 | meerkirf | th0ger: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main non-free contrib |
| 16:51.42 | meerkirf | th0ger: that is the line I added |
| 16:52.03 | th0ger | meerkirf: as xeon-enouf said. The upgrades in testing occurs more often. And you often run into small upgrade problems like the one you just posted. In return you get the newest s*** |
| 16:52.25 | meerkirf | xeon-enouf: so, security is just implicitly included in the more-frequent updates? |
| 16:53.05 | themill | meerkirf: security updates may take several extra days to reach you or even longer if package migration is blocked by a serious bug. |
| 16:53.22 | xeon-enouf | meerkirf: other things ofcourse are try to setup as much redundancy as possible (hardware-wise) and always make backups |
| 16:53.58 | themill | meerkirf: There is absolutely no attempt to provide security support for testing at present. Closer to release, it will have "best-effort" security support and then full security support from about a month or two prior to release. |
| 16:54.03 | xeon-enouf | meerkirf: not sure i understand that question |
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| 16:54.55 | wildc4rd_ | evenin' all |
| 16:55.02 | meerkirf | meerkirf: "implicit" in the sense that, if upstream patches security and debian pulls that later version into testing, unstable just so happens to get the security update. |
| 16:55.03 | xeon-enouf | meerkirf: for Stable., and stable only, not backports - security is there.. |
| 16:55.16 | meerkirf | s/unstable/testing |
| 16:55.30 | xeon-enouf | meerkirf: basically, use only 'Official' if security is priority |
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| 16:56.27 | themill | meerkirf: unstable will get the security update when the next upload takes place. That can take a while. Then the updated package has to migrate to testing which could take 2 days if it's a simple update that nothing is blocking or it could take months if the migration is blocked by bugs in either that package or in other packages. |
| 16:56.31 | xeon-enouf | meerkirf: yes, naturally upstream fixes trump .. unless ofcourse that upstream fix breaks other shit |
| 16:56.49 | xeon-enouf | (which usually takes time anyway to see) |
| 16:57.02 | Gentoochild | hm... on some forums where other people have a similar problem, the answer was to downgrade libdrm2 from 2.3.1. |
| 16:57.06 | Gentoochild | I've read into apt_preferences, but that only seems to tell how I can isntall a specific version, not how to forbid one |
| 16:57.32 | Gentoochild | and since apt only knows the recent version, I don't know which else is available |
| 16:57.37 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: your X is munged - actually, is that Intel VGA? |
| 16:57.40 | sepult | Gentoochild: Pin-Priority: -3000000000000 |
| 16:57.50 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: which debian release? cat /etc/issue.net |
| 16:57.56 | xeon-enouf | sepult: haha |
| 16:57.57 | Gentoochild | xeon-enouf: nope, Radeon 9200 |
| 16:58.00 | sepult | lol |
| 16:58.15 | Gentoochild | xeon-enouf: 5.0 |
| 16:58.19 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: that's the radeon_drv.so yes? |
| 16:58.22 | meerkirf | Is there an idea on when the next release is? I heard soemthing about debian perhaps moving to a regular release cycle. |
| 16:58.23 | Gentoochild | yep |
| 16:58.27 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: see #radeon perhaps |
| 16:58.29 | Gentoochild | it segfaults when X starts |
| 16:58.40 | Gentoochild | because /dev/dri/card0 doesn't exist |
| 16:58.51 | Gentoochild | and creating it manually doesn't help - it's deleted upon startx |
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| 16:59.12 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: /etc/issue.net does not say 5.0 |
| 16:59.25 | Gentoochild | exact output is Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 |
| 16:59.28 | th0ger | meerkirf: yes debian.org/newz |
| 16:59.30 | sepult | i have a 5.0.3 system hehe |
| 16:59.30 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 16:59.32 | sepult | lol |
| 16:59.36 | sepult | oh man |
| 16:59.37 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: check this out ;-P |
| 16:59.55 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: 18:52 < jelly> what could make udevd constantly add and remove /dev/dri/card0? http://paste.debian.net/46941/ Booted 2.6.31-trunk-amd64 kernel from kernel people, i915.modeset=1, video-intel from unstable http://paste.debian.net/46943/ |
| 17:00.13 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: 19:04 < jelly> udevd was eating 6-10% of a core. Funny, it normalized after microcode.ctl was installed |
| 17:00.51 | Gentoochild | htop tells me about 5% usage (single core CPU) |
| 17:01.20 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: i'm referring to " udevd constantly add and remove /dev/dri/card0?" |
| 17:01.31 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: and your " it's deleted upon startx" |
| 17:02.03 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: and i know, or i think i do, that they're using Intel, not radeon |
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| 17:03.58 | meerkirf | what the hey, I'll try testing. I have pretty robust backup scripts... Are these directions correct? http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze |
| 17:04.04 | Gentoochild | xeon-enouf: what output is that? strace startx? |
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| 17:04.31 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: which? |
| 17:04.45 | Gentoochild | the first paste, which tells about udev removing the node |
| 17:04.48 | xeon-enouf | meerkirf: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 17:05.26 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: looks like a strace to me |
| 17:05.30 | meerkirf | xeon-enouf: oh, thanks very much. |
| 17:05.53 | Gentoochild | but of which |
| 17:06.03 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: ask the owner :-P |
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| 17:06.09 | ididyourmom | h |
| 17:06.11 | ididyourmom | hi |
| 17:06.14 | xeon-enouf | that's why i always uinclude the command |
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| 17:06.36 | ididyourmom | whats better bitdefender or kaspersky? |
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| 17:06.52 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: though if the entire strace was shown, one should be able to surmise, somehwat |
| 17:07.01 | xeon-enouf | argv() values, etc |
| 17:07.12 | dirkson | Hey all. A recent upgrade broke my keyboard and mouse in X. I don't really know how to start troubleshooting this :-/ |
| 17:07.28 | xeon-enouf | ididyourmom: both were/are good -but that's a ##windows question |
| 17:07.37 | dirkson | (Particularly since my only method of testing results in a hard reboot |
| 17:07.54 | xeon-enouf | ididyourmom: we use /msg dpkg volatile |
| 17:08.00 | xeon-enouf | clamav i guess |
| 17:08.13 | Gentoochild | dirkson: I had this on Gentoo when they switched to evdev input drivers |
| 17:08.20 | rgr | I tried to install the firefox/iceweasel veoh compass plugin here on Lenny but it doesnt seem to work. Does anyone have some advice to share? |
| 17:08.23 | Gentoochild | keyboard and mouse are then configured by hal |
| 17:08.56 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: hrm.. if you cannot input your're screwed, boot a livecd ; chroot ; fix issue |
| 17:09.09 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: or .. is it only in X? |
| 17:09.13 | xeon-enouf | oh, ok |
| 17:09.16 | dirkson | xeon-enouf: I don't boot to X, I boot to terminal. It's ONLY in X |
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| 17:09.24 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: try dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 17:09.26 | xeon-enouf | as root |
| 17:09.58 | dirkson | runs HAL |
| 17:10.15 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: for X, you might need a /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:10.23 | xeon-enouf | !xorg.conf |
| 17:10.23 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed - and is often blank - but manual configuration is still possible. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
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| 17:10.53 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: does pgrep dbus ; pgrep udevd return a number for each? |
| 17:11.04 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: 3 for dbus |
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| 17:11.43 | dirkson | xeon-enouf: 2327 and 978 |
| 17:11.48 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: and is evdev loaded? how about usbhid? lsmod to check |
| 17:12.13 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: wait, doesn;t matter the exact numbers, it's amoount that counts ;-) |
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| 17:12.31 | xeon-enouf | are you using ps/2 or USB ? |
| 17:12.47 | dirkson | xeon-enouf: Yes to both evdev and usbhid- I'd assume they'd have to be loaded, for me to type at all. |
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| 17:12.50 | dirkson | xeon-enouf: All USB |
| 17:14.08 | xeon-enouf | ok .. so cat /proc/bus/input/devices shows your keys and mouse? |
| 17:14.12 | dirkson | HAHAHA! |
| 17:14.16 | dirkson | It works now : ) |
| 17:14.29 | xeon-enouf | N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" |
| 17:14.39 | xeon-enouf | N: Name="ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse" |
| 17:14.44 | dirkson | I assume it was either starting HAL (I've kept it off because it never /did/ anything) or doing that console thingie |
| 17:14.45 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: what did it? |
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| 17:15.09 | dirkson | Except now I can't kill X normally. Oh well |
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| 17:15.30 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: wait, you said ; "17:00 * dirkson runs HAL" |
| 17:15.39 | dirkson | Yes. |
| 17:15.40 | xeon-enouf | so you had it disabled? |
| 17:15.43 | dirkson | Yes |
| 17:15.52 | xeon-enouf | then you do NOT run it ;-) |
| 17:16.01 | dirkson | Hmm? |
| 17:16.14 | xeon-enouf | that means "HAL is installed, but disabled!" |
| 17:16.30 | dirkson | Ah! I meant I was actively starting up HAL right then |
| 17:16.48 | xeon-enouf | haha ... irc is weird ... |
| 17:16.52 | xeon-enouf | spaces out |
| 17:16.54 | dirkson | Hal never did anything I needed before. I am still rather unsure of its place on my computer. |
| 17:17.04 | xeon-enouf | !hal |
| 17:17.04 | dpkg | HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is freedesktop.org project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 17:17.30 | xeon-enouf | see last URL ..eventhough it's a hard depends on X it isn't needed |
| 17:17.30 | dirkson | Yes :D I know what it's supposed to do. It's just that it being there or it being gone never did anything to any of my software before |
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| 17:17.45 | xeon-enouf | dirkson: lshalis useful, somewhat |
| 17:17.45 | fredl_ | ugh, is people.debian.org really down or is my provider having a fubar again? |
| 17:17.58 | dvs | dirkson: even insert a USB drive? A notification didn't pop up when you did? |
| 17:18.05 | dvs | *Ever |
| 17:18.22 | xeon-enouf | fredl_: seems Sunday is rough on many Debian sites ;-) |
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| 17:18.49 | xeon-enouf | i'm stuck on "making connection" |
| 17:18.53 | fredl_ | well I'm seeing it on lots of sites so I'm wondering if it's my ISP |
| 17:18.53 | dirkson | dvs: That doesn't happen with hal on or off. |
| 17:18.57 | dirkson | dvs: Not using a DE |
| 17:19.11 | xeon-enouf | fredl_: well .. try the IP instead |
| 17:19.13 | dvs | O I C |
| 17:19.17 | xeon-enouf | might be a DNS issue |
| 17:19.46 | fredl_ | already did and that works fine. Does the site come up for you? |
| 17:19.47 | dutchfish | hi, grub2 rolled in squeeze, its now the default, where are its manpages, and where can i find its config file? it looks if /boot/grub/menu.list is honoured any longer on a multipartion, multikernel install. |
| 17:20.10 | valdyn | dutchfish: /etc/grub |
| 17:20.12 | dutchfish | s/is/isnt |
| 17:20.17 | xeon-enouf | fredl_: nope, not a DNS issue here |
| 17:20.20 | fredl_ | squeeze runners don't read fucking manual pages :P |
| 17:20.40 | dutchfish | valdyn, i have looked there, there isnt any config file related to the old menu.lst |
| 17:20.40 | fredl_ | 'lo again dutchfish. |
| 17:20.43 | xeon-enouf | fredl_: i did google.com to test, which worked with both IP and DomainName |
| 17:20.52 | valdyn | dutchfish: theres a few |
| 17:21.01 | valdyn | dutchfish: and they are all related |
| 17:21.12 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: there aren't/isn't much yet |
| 17:21.12 | fredl_ | xeon-enouf, oh well so it's a people.debian.org issue, somebody asleep at the wheel. |
| 17:21.16 | dutchfish | valdyn, any nice doc wich i can go rtfm? |
| 17:21.26 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: it's beta - see grub.enbug.org |
| 17:21.26 | valdyn | dutchfish: no idea |
| 17:21.48 | xeon-enouf | fredl_: /msg dpkg sunday ;-) |
| 17:21.49 | valdyn | dutchfish: the 3 files are the base to generate /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 17:22.02 | xeon-enouf | valdyn: dutchfish it's /etc/grub.d/ |
| 17:22.03 | dutchfish | valdyn, so far i can understand |
| 17:22.03 | valdyn | dutchfish: and /boot/grub/grub.cfg is not to be hand edited |
| 17:22.09 | valdyn | xeon-enouf: oops |
| 17:22.09 | fredl_ | heh |
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| 17:22.27 | xeon-enouf | and /etc/default/grub and as you mentioned /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 17:23.01 | dutchfish | valdyn, how can i cinfigure my 2 last ntfs partition back, and my 2nd partition with 8 kernels, only th eone from i upgraded is correct, the rest is hosed |
| 17:23.03 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: your best bet is to catch the dev convo in #grub |
| 17:23.16 | xeon-enouf | i'm squatted there dutchfish for that reason |
| 17:23.23 | valdyn | dutchfish: you can use the files in /etc/grub.d as templates |
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| 17:23.53 | dutchfish | ok, thx i will try at #grub |
| 17:23.57 | dutchfish | thank you all! |
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| 17:24.27 | plt | what's the easiest way to disable / enable services from starting upon boot up ? |
| 17:24.42 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: grub2 has no menu.lst, and no concept or error codes, like grub1, it's supposed to spit out text ;-) |
| 17:24.44 | valdyn | dutchfish: and /boot/grub/grub.cfg should have plenty examples on how to boot linux |
| 17:24.50 | plt | would be nice to simply use a command or comment / uncomment a line |
| 17:24.56 | xeon-enouf | s/or/of/ |
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| 17:25.24 | valdyn | plt: i prefer moving /etc/init.d scripts |
| 17:25.29 | valdyn | plt: but thats just me |
| 17:25.31 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: fezie is a major DD in that arena IINM |
| 17:25.46 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: the Debian arena that is |
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| 17:25.52 | plt | valdyn, ok, cool, i guess that won't break anything |
| 17:25.54 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, thx, #grub on freenode? |
| 17:25.59 | xeon-enouf | yes |
| 17:26.02 | Gentoochild | xeon-enouf: as the answer on some occastions was to downgrade libdrm, I've downgraded to libdrm-2.0.2, and now X starts again |
| 17:26.03 | valdyn | plt: no, it just makes boot bring error messages |
| 17:26.06 | pred2k3 | hi, I cant export in a shell sript, what might be wrong? |
| 17:26.07 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, oki |
| 17:26.14 | valdyn | plt: but thats no problem and I do apreciate those |
| 17:26.14 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: beauty |
| 17:26.31 | valdyn | plt: for example "mv exim exim.disabled" |
| 17:26.36 | xeon-enouf | pred2k3: i use /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 17:26.39 | Gentoochild | though I haven't found out how to do that with apt yet, I just used a crude dpkg -i |
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| 17:27.15 | dvs | ipmasq is gone? What can I use for my firewall now? |
| 17:27.23 | valdyn | plt: update-rc.d is in the wiki, but thats hard to handle correctly and its even harder to keep the overview on what you did |
| 17:27.57 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: apt/aptitude install/remove/resolve depends/recommends/conflicts ; dpkg does not |
| 17:28.10 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: /msg dpkg reference |
| 17:28.15 | Gentoochild | I know |
| 17:28.15 | valdyn | Gentoochild: apt-get install packagename=version |
| 17:28.25 | valdyn | Gentoochild: and /msg dpkg pinning |
| 17:28.36 | xeon-enouf | might need -t <targetted-release> |
| 17:29.50 | plt | valdyn, cool thanks for the tips |
| 17:30.05 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: it also depends on whether or not you recently ran something like "apt-get autoclean" and the pkg is no longer available in the repo and that command removed it from your /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 17:30.55 | themill | Gentoochild: if a particular version of that package is problematic, aptitude's forbid-version command might be useful. Check the man page or /msg dpkg aptitude docs |
| 17:31.00 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: if it is still in /var/cache/apt/archives then reinstalling with dpkg is ok, not sure about how depends work then though |
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| 17:31.29 | Gentoochild | I downloaded an older deb via packages.debian |
| 17:31.45 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: basically apt-get/aptitude _fetch_ the pkg from repos and call upon dpkg to install them |
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| 17:32.15 | Gentoochild | I must admit I only use debian (and based distros) on seldom occasions. You may have guessed my favorite distro already :) |
| 17:32.26 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: it's all a matter of how up-to-date the repos are, and what's in your cache |
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| 17:32.37 | xeon-enouf | Gentoochild: RedHat? :-P |
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| 17:33.42 | SSolutions | Hello |
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| 17:34.50 | SSolutions | Is Debian IA64 stable? I have a 1U itanium-based server, and want to install Linux to run some critical services, and would like to install the most up-to-date distro.. I'm still deciding between centos and debian.. Any input? |
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| 17:36.14 | mavhc | you're the guy with an itanium server, thought I'd never meet you |
| 17:37.17 | themill | heh |
| 17:38.03 | bubazoo | I have a broadcom BCM4318 wireless network card in my laptop that the graphicsl installer of Debian 5.03 isn't detecting, after the new install of Debian is complete, how do I install the drivers for my network card? |
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| 17:38.28 | dvs | SSolutions: Debian is fairly up to date now but it emphasises stability over the lastest stuff |
| 17:38.31 | dvs | latest |
| 17:39.11 | dvs | bubazoo: I had to install squeeze to get Debian to recognize my Broadcom drivers |
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| 17:39.27 | cahoot | bubazoo: you want b43-fwcutter |
| 17:39.37 | dvs | broadcom-sta |
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| 17:39.58 | cahoot | bubazoo: AFAIK b43 in later kernels support 4318 |
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| 17:40.23 | bubazoo | I think debian 5.03's graphical installer should have a guided partition option to remove all Linux partitions and use those for the install of Debian, otherwise you have to partition manually, which kinda sucks esp for those who don't understand how to do it manually when your writing over, say, a fedora install or something. |
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| 17:40.36 | bubazoo | so apt-get install broadcom-sta ? |
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| 17:41.36 | g00se | I'm trying to run an executable from Sun on Lenny that wants to run libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 I |
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| 17:41.55 | g00se | am wondering where to get that..? |
| 17:41.56 | dvs | bubazoo: That's what I did but on squeeze |
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| 17:42.18 | bubazoo | I had to boot using DOS to remove my fedora partitions using FDISK, because I couldn't figure out how to manually do it in the graphical installer of Debian 5.03 |
| 17:42.19 | dvs | bubazoo: I also installed the 2.6.30 kernel from squeeze too |
| 17:42.31 | bubazoo | ok thanks dvs :) |
| 17:42.48 | dvs | np |
| 17:43.06 | cahoot | bubazoo: b43 in later kernels supports 4318 but you also need firmware (at least according to linuxwireless.org) - your choice |
| 17:43.25 | oxi | themill: why could it be working for port 80 but not for port 80 & port 110? |
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| 17:43.43 | xeon-enouf | mavhc: hahaha |
| 17:43.58 | bubazoo | caboot: I know, I had to do that in fedora, but can't figure out how to do it in debian, debian is new to me |
| 17:44.27 | xeon-enouf | mavhc: in the many years i've been in this channel, i've never seen someone get ia64 *correct* :-P |
| 17:44.29 | cahoot | bubazoo: enable non-free sources and aptitude install b43-fwcutter |
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| 17:44.42 | themill | oxi: do you already have something else listening on 110? (check with netstat or fuser) |
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| 17:44.57 | oxi | themill: I don't think so :-) |
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| 17:45.29 | teclo- | HI there, the problem where you can't connect to Yahoo chat has been fixed in Debian testing, but apparently not yet in Debian stable. When will it be fixed ? |
| 17:45.32 | mavhc | how many downloads of the IA64 cd aren't followed on the same ip by an AMD64 download? |
| 17:45.57 | themill | teclo-: you're presumably talking about pidgin here? check backports.org |
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| 17:46.13 | teclo- | themill: ah thank you |
| 17:46.26 | teclo- | Yes, pidgin |
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| 17:46.36 | xeon-enouf | http://www.celticwolf.com/useful-information/faqs/26-pidgin-yahoo ??? |
| 17:46.46 | oxi | themill: at least netstat -pant | grep 110 doesn't show me anything running |
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| 17:46.58 | themill | teclo-: although last time I looked, those packages on backports.org were in an inconsistent state due to a recent upload that wasn't yet complete |
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| 17:47.18 | teclo- | themill: ouch... |
| 17:47.21 | themill | oxi: I've never touched tomcat... perhaps #tomcat can help further. |
| 17:47.34 | oxi | themill: thanks |
| 17:48.05 | xeon-enouf | mavhc: could take days/weeks to match up that IP though :-P |
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| 17:59.59 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, problem solved, but i am wondering why os-prober was not drawn in along |
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| 18:01.08 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: sorry - grub prob? |
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| 18:01.41 | dutchfish | !info os-prober |
| 18:01.47 | dpkg | os-prober: (utility to detect other OSes on a set of drives), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.33 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 18:01.50 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: along with? grub-common? |
| 18:01.56 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, yes |
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| 18:02.13 | xeon-enouf | judd: depends grub-common |
| 18:02.13 | judd | xeon-enouf: grub-common -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), base-files (>= 4.0.1~) |
| 18:02.39 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: maybe it's a Recommends? and you have recommends disabled? |
| 18:02.59 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, or grub-pc, nope no recommends either |
| 18:03.06 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: grub-common is used by both grub1 and grub2 (not sure why / how) |
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| 18:03.22 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, i am taking about grub-common 2 |
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| 18:03.32 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, version 2 |
| 18:03.40 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: there'sonly grub-common, no 2 |
| 18:03.56 | xeon-enouf | judd: depends grub-pv |
| 18:03.58 | xeon-enouf | judd: depends grub-pc |
| 18:03.59 | judd | xeon-enouf: grub-pc -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, grub-common (>> 1.96+20080413-1), liblzo2-2 (>= 2.03) |
| 18:04.01 | dutchfish | !info squeeze grub-common |
| 18:05.12 | hark | !recommends grub-common |
| 18:05.15 | dpkg | grub-common: has nothing about recommends |
| 18:05.18 | dutchfish | i grub-common - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (common files) / squeeze/x86_64 |
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| 18:06.31 | dutchfish | ii grub-common 1.97~beta3-1 |
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| 18:06.54 | cusco | h |
| 18:06.59 | cusco | hi |
| 18:07.11 | cusco | if I have a printer that prints fine when using lprng (lp) |
| 18:07.15 | cusco | I don't have cups |
| 18:07.23 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: 1.9x == grub2 |
| 18:07.26 | cusco | how do I tell gnome, or openoffice to use that |
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| 18:07.28 | cusco | to print? |
| 18:07.33 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, bingo |
| 18:07.48 | hark | judd: recommends grub-common --release=squeeze |
| 18:07.48 | judd | hark: grub-common -- Recommends: os-prober (>= 1.32) |
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| 18:08.12 | hark | dutchfish: ^ |
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| 18:08.42 | xeon-enouf | didn't know judd also does Recommends ;-) |
| 18:09.11 | dutchfish | hark, ok, i just did update && upgrade, now aptitude shows correct info |
| 18:09.20 | dutchfish | hark, thanks Sir! |
| 18:09.33 | xeon-enouf | judd: suggests grub-common --release-squeeze |
| 18:09.33 | judd | xeon-enouf: (suggests ) -- Show Suggests: of a given package. Usage: "suggests packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 18:09.42 | xeon-enouf | judd: suggests grub-common --release squeeze |
| 18:09.42 | judd | xeon-enouf: grub-common -- Suggests: multiboot-doc |
| 18:09.46 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 18:10.04 | hark | does conflicts too :) |
| 18:10.09 | xeon-enouf | \o/ |
| 18:10.18 | xeon-enouf | !themill++ |
| 18:10.24 | dutchfish | ok, now i am baffled .... |
| 18:10.27 | xeon-enouf | !karma themill |
| 18:10.28 | dpkg | themill has karma of 10 |
| 18:10.51 | xeon-enouf | !confuse dutchfish |
| 18:10.52 | dpkg | No, what was our weasel tomorrow, dutchfish? Shirts of the Republic of Micronesia with extra cheese. |
| 18:11.15 | xeon-enouf | likes extra cheese :-) |
| 18:11.18 | dutchfish | !coffee xeon-enouf |
| 18:11.18 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of organic Tanzanian for xeon-enouf, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 18:11.22 | themill | hehe.... that's stew's work, actually |
| 18:11.37 | xeon-enouf | !vodka me |
| 18:11.38 | dpkg | draws off a shot of Stolichnaya for xeon-enouf |
| 18:11.42 | xeon-enouf | better ;-) |
| 18:11.52 | dutchfish | chears |
| 18:11.55 | xeon-enouf | themill: heh . ooops ;-) |
| 18:12.02 | xeon-enouf | !stew++ |
| 18:12.27 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: fwiw; it's 'cheers' |
| 18:12.36 | dutchfish | not even a + for me, for all my coding and bug squashing? |
| 18:12.49 | dutchfish | :) |
| 18:13.22 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: english sucks .. 'i' before 'e' after 'c' unless we decide to fuck you all up .. |
| 18:13.40 | xeon-enouf | /except/ |
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| 18:14.06 | xeon-enouf | !dutchfish++ |
| 18:14.14 | xeon-enouf | there ya go ;-) |
| 18:14.16 | dutchfish | i am happy, thanks |
| 18:14.29 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: you deserve it |
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| 18:16.01 | Terminus- | hello. question, why don't i have header files in my libssl-dev install? dpkg -L libssl-dev gives me this list minus everything in /usr/include --> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/libssl-dev/filelist |
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| 18:16.29 | stew | xeon-enouf: :) |
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| 18:18.41 | Terminus- | wait, scratch that. found something. |
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| 18:20.42 | MoeGreen | can anybody recommend a program to use with a PVR-150 to put old VCR tapes onto my computer to burn to dvd? BTW im using lenny. |
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| 18:21.25 | whatnow | Hi! I can't get the network working - network manager says it connected, but Internet isn't working and pinging the router too. Fresh Lenny install - any Ideas? |
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| 18:24.04 | nkuttler | whatnow: do you use dhcp? |
| 18:24.33 | DeathWolf | mmm |
| 18:24.54 | DeathWolf | is there any way to run ifconfig dhcp manually?(ie "ifconfig eth1 inet dhcp" though that isnt valid) |
| 18:25.03 | DeathWolf | I dont want to ifdown&&ifup it(dont want to run ifdown&ifup scripts) |
| 18:25.19 | whatnow | nkuttler: I know that "I" do use dhcp (router, other PC), if networkmanager uses it - I don't know. I'm going to check my resolv.conf quickly brb... |
| 18:25.38 | nkuttler | DeathWolf: dhclient ? |
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| 18:25.47 | DeathWolf | right |
| 18:25.49 | DeathWolf | now I remember:) |
| 18:25.54 | nkuttler | whatnow: man 5 interfaces |
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| 18:26.04 | DeathWolf | I'm really tired:) |
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| 18:26.22 | enmerkar | DeathWolf: get some sleep :) |
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| 18:27.54 | g00se | Need a little advice on best strategy for unborking aptitude, due to (i think) installing Sun software using an old libstdc++ http://pastebin.com/f13523146 |
| 18:28.21 | mike_hurley_1 | anybody good with crontabs? |
| 18:28.27 | mike_hurley_1 | i need to know i |
| 18:28.38 | mike_hurley_1 | it's for running on a htpc that is only on if in use |
| 18:28.41 | nkuttler | g00se: errr. install a current libc? |
| 18:28.54 | mike_hurley_1 | if a time specified is passed when it's off does it get skipped? |
| 18:29.14 | nkuttler | mike_hurley_1: look into anacron |
| 18:29.32 | whatnow | Mh, now after a reboot, networkmanager doesn't connect any more... :/ |
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| 18:30.46 | epifanio | hi All |
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| 18:31.16 | epifanio | do you know a method to freespace on a debian distro ? |
| 18:31.32 | g00se | nkuttler: well i can't in my usual way, as i use aptitude ;-) |
| 18:32.18 | nkuttler | !tell g00se about pdo |
| 18:32.43 | nkuttler | of course, that's hoping that ar and friends still work.. |
| 18:33.53 | pobega | epifanio: Are you looking to free a _lot_ of space, or just a little? |
| 18:34.15 | epifanio | pobega: a lot |
| 18:34.33 | epifanio | i want put my system on a dvd |
| 18:34.52 | pobega | epifanio: localpurge is good for a little (and depending how large your system is, you can purge a lot), and so is deborphan for getting rid of unused libraries. |
| 18:35.02 | g00se | nkuttler: nm, thanks. There's only the one library involved in the bork i think. I'll just copy it from elsewhere |
| 18:35.15 | chellomere | epifanio, http://scp.indiegames.us/ |
| 18:35.17 | epifanio | using remastersys, now it fails beacouse the iso size go out of the standard size for a dvd |
| 18:35.21 | pobega | epifanio: But it all depends how much space you're using now, and how much you want to shrink down to. You may end up just havnig to purge a lot of packages. |
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| 18:35.54 | pobega | epifanio: nevermind, maybe I don't fully understand your question. You're trying to *create* an ISO, or backup to DVD? |
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| 18:36.35 | epifanio | i'm tring to create an iso using remastersys, it will do a bootable copy.iso of my system |
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| 18:37.05 | epifanio | but unlucky it eceeds the standard .iso, so i need to delete something :-/ |
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| 18:37.52 | pobega | epifanio: well than, you can try localpurge/deborphan on the running system I suppose. |
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| 18:38.19 | epifanio | oh, looking for them and learn what they do |
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| 18:38.35 | themill | localepurge btw, not localpurge |
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| 18:40.29 | pbn | Hi there, anyone else running Debian testing and having nvidia hardware acceleration broken, waiting for nvidia-glx 185.18.36-2 to be in testing ? |
| 18:41.03 | Multiply | What's the most recent kernel (stable ones, that is) |
| 18:41.05 | d1b | !nvidia |
| 18:41.05 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 18:41.28 | pbn | d1b: thanks gonna read that |
| 18:41.34 | d1b | Multiply: 2.6.26 in debian. |
| 18:41.34 | dvs | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 lenny |
| 18:41.48 | d1b | Multiply: or 2.6.31 from kernel.org |
| 18:42.11 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 18:42.12 | Multiply | I need to patch the kernel, to 1000hz. So I guess I'd better get the most recent one. |
| 18:42.36 | d1b | Multiply: ... you do not patch its a config option. |
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| 18:42.52 | d1b | Multiply: why do you need 1000hz ? |
| 18:43.00 | Multiply | Following this guide, they refer it as "patch" :P |
| 18:43.01 | pobega | themill: bahhh, thanks for the correction. Doing homework while lurking #debian is never a good idea. |
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| 18:43.10 | valdyn | debian is at what? 100hz? |
| 18:43.16 | themill | heh |
| 18:43.20 | d1b | valdyn: 250hz |
| 18:43.22 | Multiply | I need it for a gameserver. |
| 18:43.27 | valdyn | Multiply: nonsense |
| 18:43.38 | d1b | Multiply: 250hz should be fine. |
| 18:44.07 | valdyn | Multiply: for yourself or for a customer? |
| 18:44.14 | Multiply | d1b, as far as I know, hlds, doesn't run at 1000fps, unless you've got a 1000hz configured kernel. |
| 18:44.21 | themill | wonders if dpkg needs a 1000hzsmite |
| 18:44.27 | valdyn | Multiply: thats nonsense |
| 18:44.31 | d1b | themill: ye splz |
| 18:44.34 | d1b | yes* |
| 18:44.39 | d1b | !time |
| 18:44.40 | dpkg | [time] found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2009.09.20 18:44:39, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 18:45.02 | dvs | The government controls time!?! Ouch! |
| 18:45.07 | valdyn | Multiply: hlds should get *more* "fps" with less hz |
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| 18:45.23 | d1b | valdyn: depends, probably want pre-emptive |
| 18:45.40 | Multiply | valdyn, could you explain that, a bit more detailed, then? |
| 18:45.52 | valdyn | d1b: thats something else, and i dare bet that i get *more* fps with preempt disabled too |
| 18:46.00 | Multiply | Everyone I've asked, told me to get my kernel set to 1000hz, to get 1000fps. |
| 18:46.01 | themill | dvs: well yes... our time system is a set of international agreements between governments.... tinfoil hats are available over there ==> * |
| 18:46.08 | whatnow | Mh... what doesn lenny have in place of iwconfig? |
| 18:46.11 | valdyn | Multiply: morons those people are |
| 18:46.21 | d1b | valdyn: ;) i know but this is a game not a server :) |
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| 18:46.49 | valdyn | Multiply: 1000hz and preempt both trade performance for a little latency gain |
| 18:46.58 | Multiply | valdyn, I'll try to setup the hlds now, and see if it's 1000fps, or not. :P |
| 18:47.01 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:47.02 | d1b | valdyn: yes but for a game that may be required ;) |
| 18:47.04 | valdyn | Multiply: the performance loss is there, the latency gain is doubious |
| 18:47.32 | valdyn | d1b: yea, but were not talking about actual use, were talking about this silly fps thing |
| 18:47.34 | d1b | valdyn: pre-empt can be nice for a desktop tho :) |
| 18:47.43 | Multiply | valdyn, latency is not really a matter, since the servers is only hosting gameservers, at lan parties, in the future at least. |
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| 18:47.49 | valdyn | d1b: preempt use is doubious too |
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| 18:48.20 | valdyn | Multiply: you got that wrong and right, without knowing |
| 18:48.28 | d1b | Multiply: most people just use windows servers for gaming ;) |
| 18:48.48 | d1b | Multiply: use linux for nases / torrent seedboxes for the game files |
| 18:48.49 | valdyn | Multiply: latency matter more than fps, but latency is also relateively useless because the network causes orders of magnitude higher latencies |
| 18:48.50 | Multiply | We're not having any windows servers, at hand. :P |
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| 18:49.18 | Multiply | valdyn, what I meant, is that it's local, not over the internet. |
| 18:49.37 | valdyn | Multiply: same thing |
| 18:49.37 | d1b | valdyn: PING PING PING PING PONG! |
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| 18:49.42 | d1b | DROP |
| 18:50.12 | valdyn | Multiply: local lans have lancies in ms, your kernel in ns |
| 18:50.21 | valdyn | Multiply: or in ms |
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| 18:50.29 | valdyn | Multiply: us even |
| 18:50.48 | d1b | valdyn: the uni i go to has latency in 100ms ;) |
| 18:50.54 | Multiply | That just confused me. lol |
| 18:50.55 | valdyn | Multiply: thats orders of magnitude in any case |
| 18:51.07 | d1b | valdyn: and that's just to the pc 2 stories above you:) |
| 18:51.18 | valdyn | d1b: wlan? |
| 18:51.28 | d1b | Multiply: it is probably pointless to do this kernel recompilation |
| 18:51.33 | d1b | valdyn: nar, 1gb/s ;) |
| 18:51.44 | valdyn | d1b: thats a funny network |
| 18:51.51 | d1b | valdyn: i know :) |
| 18:51.54 | valdyn | d1b: or youre being shaped |
| 18:52.01 | d1b | valdyn: nope :) |
| 18:52.06 | Multiply | I was going to do it, before testing the actual hlds fps, since I thought I had some trustworthy sources. :P |
| 18:52.19 | d1b | valdyn: well i lie, its not always 100mb/s it is during certain times of the day. |
| 18:52.36 | d1b | Multiply: well go ahead try it, then come back and tell us if we were wrong. |
| 18:52.42 | valdyn | Multiply: the net is full of shit about this hlds stuff, i tried to help some admin earlier with his idiotic customers paying for 3000fps |
| 18:52.43 | d1b | erh i mean ms* |
| 18:52.49 | d1b | not mb/s* |
| 18:53.07 | d1b | valdyn: oo? |
| 18:53.12 | Multiply | But now I'm going to test it, before messing with the kernel, and probably making everything go dead. :P |
| 18:53.13 | Multiply | Oh another thing.. |
| 18:53.16 | fredl | Uhm |
| 18:53.20 | dvs | valdyn: My eye can see the difference at 3000fps! ;-) |
| 18:53.31 | chellomere | Multiply, sorry, why does anyone pay for more than 100fps? |
| 18:53.32 | fredl | how can it be that the Debian installer tells me there are no disks in my system? |
| 18:53.41 | fredl | while fdisk in a VC tells me they're there? |
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| 18:53.51 | fredl | is confused |
| 18:54.13 | Multiply | I forgot what that package is called.. It's like.. a tab-system. Tabbed consolescreens, or whatever you call it. |
| 18:54.13 | Multiply | chellomere, I don't pay for more, since it's the standard, where I'm from. |
| 18:54.27 | whatnow | wpa_supplicant connected manually, dhclient3 getting an IP from router, network still not working... I don't get it, what else is there? |
| 18:54.32 | chellomere | Multiply, screen? |
| 18:54.39 | Multiply | It's just screen? lol |
| 18:54.47 | Multiply | I've been trying to figure out what it was called all day. |
| 18:54.50 | d1b | whatnow: you know, you can use /etc/network/interfaces right ? |
| 18:54.51 | chellomere | screen, the terminal multiplexer |
| 18:55.01 | Multiply | Damn.. It's so obvious. |
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| 18:55.17 | valdyn | Multiply: what youd really want is worst case performance of reasonable xxx hz. I dont know how you can guarantee that at all |
| 18:55.18 | d1b | whatnow: can you ping anything ? |
| 18:55.22 | pbn | d1b, others: here's what I get when I try to install nvidia binary drivers on testing 64-bit: http://paste.debian.net/47089/ |
| 18:55.23 | chellomere | screen a screen with screen! |
| 18:55.37 | d1b | chellomere: plz no |
| 18:55.45 | whatnow | d1b: No, pinging is what fails (and I never used /etc/network/interfaces so far, should I?) |
| 18:56.00 | d1b | whatnow: no. not really i just prefer it. |
| 18:56.13 | d1b | whatnow: so can you connect to anything or do you just get an ip via dhcp ? |
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| 18:56.46 | d1b | pbn: looks like you have broken packages. no idea i don't run nvidia / testing that much. |
| 18:56.47 | fredl | the Debian installer CD shows on VC 4: segfault at 0 ip.... sp ... error 4 in libc-2.7.so[...] |
| 18:56.51 | whatnow | d1b: ALl I tried so far is pinging the router and google, both fails. |
| 18:56.57 | pbn | d1b, others: nvidia wants to break one package and remove 30 packages... |
| 18:57.09 | d1b | whatnow: try opening wireshark or tcpdump and see if you see anything perhaps ? |
| 18:57.17 | pbn | d1b: ah ok :) .. well... I don't know if I should continue |
| 18:57.28 | d1b | pbn: probably not :) |
| 18:57.33 | fredl | that doesn't look good, dunno if it ever logged that before but it doesn't see any disks.... |
| 18:57.39 | pbn | people using nvidia binary kernel drivers, please raise their hand ! |
| 18:57.48 | pbn | d1b: well yeah... better not break stuff right ? :) |
| 18:57.54 | fredl | parted_devices segfaults. |
| 18:58.25 | fredl | maybe I did something weird with my partition tables.... |
| 18:58.30 | fredl | snorfles |
| 18:58.40 | whatnow | d1b: I think I would need Internet to get that on the machine... fresh install, no LAN...? |
| 18:59.27 | fredl | grmbl grr now how to fix this. bollocks... |
| 19:00.01 | themill | pbn: what kernel are you actually running? |
| 19:00.40 | pbn | Hi there, I'm running Debian testing amd64, and I need to install binary nvidia proprietary drivers. aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64 worked flawlessly, but when I type aptitude install nvidia-glx, apttude says it will break xserver-xorg-core and remove many xserver-xorg-* packages... what should I do ? |
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| 19:01.15 | pbn | themill: stock Debian binary kernel: linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 19:01.19 | \amethyst | pbn: IIRC testing is in the middle of an xorg transition... you could try installing the xserver-xorg packages from sid |
| 19:01.37 | themill | pbn: that's not the kernel that's actually in squeeze though |
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| 19:01.56 | pbn | \amethyst: yeah it's indeed "in the middle of an xorg transiton" ;) ... it's a pain.... |
| 19:02.13 | fredl | *baffled* even google has not heard of that segfault before. |
| 19:02.23 | pbn | \amethyst: how exactly can I install stuff from sid ? I need to add a sid line in sources.list ? then aptitude what ? |
| 19:02.54 | themill | pbn: if you're not prepared for stuff to be broken for a while, you shouldn't be running testing, really. |
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| 19:03.36 | fredl | themill - that used to be said about Sid. testing is supposed to be moderately stable no? |
| 19:03.47 | themill | "testing is called testing for a reason" |
| 19:04.09 | fredl | yeah but it should really be called "tested" instead of "testing" IMO |
| 19:04.35 | themill | no, updates are sometimes pushed into testing when they are known to break things |
| 19:04.36 | d1b | fredl: sid is fine, testing doesn't update fast enough ;) |
| 19:05.09 | fredl | dlb - well that's the drawback and sometimes it's annoying to have a 10 day hold on new versions to go in testing... |
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| 19:05.12 | pbn | themill: yeah but, it's kinda weird testing has many more problems than sid... :/ |
| 19:05.22 | d1b | fredl: i thought it was 14 days ... |
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| 19:05.27 | fredl | but those 10 days are supposed to be USED for, well, testing. |
| 19:05.56 | themill | pbn: not really. There's no way that the xorg transition was going to be held up on the basis of the nvidia driver needing some love. |
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| 19:06.09 | fredl | themill - well then I think that's stupid and it's not documented that way. |
| 19:06.21 | d1b | themill: nvidia is not giving love to anyone :) |
| 19:06.22 | pbn | fredl: yeah but the new nvidia packages for testing... it's a pain, you see it's decreasing "need 4, 3, then 2 days", then poof, it has new bugs, and it restarts at 10 days |
| 19:06.38 | themill | pbn: You're currently trying to combine the kernel from lenny, xorg from squeeze and who knows what other packages and you're surprised it's not working? |
| 19:06.57 | fredl | pbn - I know. Been there done that when subversion broke and tons of dependencies under it broke too. |
| 19:07.00 | pbn | themill: no, everything is from testing on this machine.... |
| 19:07.09 | themill | pbn: no, that kernel is not from testing |
| 19:07.23 | d1b | themill: what kernel is in testing atm ? |
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| 19:07.30 | themill | judd kernels |
| 19:07.32 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-7); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 19:07.35 | pbn | themill: then what is the right kernel for testing ? |
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| 19:08.14 | fredl | anyway.... |
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| 19:08.22 | d1b | pbn: 2.6.30-6 apparently |
| 19:08.28 | fredl | this is not philosophy class. |
| 19:08.43 | fredl | testing is what it is. |
| 19:09.07 | fredl | I on the other hand have a problem with Lenny. |
| 19:09.07 | d1b | fredl: awh. but id like to run experimental only ;) |
| 19:09.32 | fredl | and I'm totally confused. |
| 19:09.41 | d1b | fredl: what was it ? |
| 19:09.49 | pbn | d1b: well there are no nvidia-kernel-2.6.30-6-amd64 packages, only nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 19:10.04 | d1b | pbn: so build your own :) |
| 19:10.06 | d1b | m-a |
| 19:10.07 | pbn | d1b: that's the reason why I'm not running 2.6.30-6 on testing |
| 19:10.18 | fredl | dlb - parted_devices segfaults during my install. |
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| 19:10.25 | themill | pbn: that's right. You presumably need to make your own using module-assistant (which is what dpkg told you ages ago, isn't it?) |
| 19:10.30 | d1b | fredl: 5.0r3 install disk ? |
| 19:10.34 | fredl | so the install doesn't detect any disks. |
| 19:10.36 | fredl | yeah |
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| 19:10.47 | pbn | themill: yes... I indeed should try using module-assistant, gonna do that |
| 19:10.48 | d1b | fredl: what hardware ... |
| 19:10.52 | fredl | I've just done it earlier this afternoon from the same DVD and now it no longer works. |
| 19:10.59 | pbn | themill: should I run 2.6.26 or 2.6.30 ? |
| 19:11.16 | fredl | dlb - just a system with two SATA disks in there. |
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| 19:11.37 | d1b | fredl: mm odd. perhaps its the cd / cables ? |
| 19:11.46 | d1b | id turn the power off and try again :) |
| 19:11.51 | fredl | I did. |
| 19:11.57 | d1b | (i have this old system that hates me ) |
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| 19:12.09 | fredl | well this is a brand new system that hates me. |
| 19:12.20 | pbn | çkernels |
| 19:12.20 | d1b | fredl: can i have it ! |
| 19:12.20 | fredl | thing is... |
| 19:12.23 | themill | pbn: I would guess that there is no chance that 2.6.26 is going to be successful in squeeze at this stage, but it's always smart to keep known-good kernels lying around.... |
| 19:12.34 | fredl | if I start an fdisk in the VC it sees the disks just fine. |
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| 19:12.55 | d1b | fredl: mm. |
| 19:12.56 | fredl | if I start up parted_devices manually it also segfaults. |
| 19:13.05 | d1b | fredl: instal manually ? |
| 19:13.09 | d1b | install* |
| 19:13.39 | fredl | I have no clue how to do all that!! |
| 19:13.43 | fredl | sjeez :P |
| 19:13.44 | d1b | id probably check the cd tho. |
| 19:14.01 | fredl | I need to make RAID volumes, set up LVM2, there's no way I can easily do that. |
| 19:14.14 | d1b | madm ? |
| 19:14.16 | pbn | d1b, themill, others: well even if I use module-assistant, there's still the problem that installing testing nvidia-glx will break packages... so I think a better solution is to add a line about sid in sources.list and install binary kernel packages from sid... any doc/wiki on how to use aptitude to install stuff from sid on testing ? |
| 19:14.26 | fredl | madm? |
| 19:14.30 | fredl | mdadm? |
| 19:14.32 | d1b | im tired. |
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| 19:14.34 | d1b | yeah mdadm |
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| 19:14.43 | fredl | madam |
| 19:14.45 | fredl | madman |
| 19:14.51 | eXeC001er | Hello! |
| 19:14.56 | fredl | hi! |
| 19:15.00 | d1b | fredl: the raid disk admin / management thing. |
| 19:15.16 | fredl | yeah I know but I don't know all the commands for that!! |
| 19:15.37 | EvilGuru | I am looking to install Debian on my new laptop and would like to encrypt my home directory; is there a way of doing it so that it uses my login password? |
| 19:15.44 | eXeC001er | I build package with dpkg-buildpackage and have error: dh_makeshlibs: command returned error code 256. what is it ? |
| 19:15.47 | themill | pbn: you may need a testing/unstable mix for this. Actually, you might to best to lurk in #debian on oftc and ask chealer what the current situation with the nvidia drivers in squeeze is as he tends to know more. |
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| 19:15.52 | d1b | EvilGuru: yes. |
| 19:15.59 | EvilGuru | So rather than needing to type my a different password at boot the act of logging on does all of the voodoo |
| 19:16.22 | themill | pbn: but yes -- /msg dpkg tum |
| 19:16.43 | EvilGuru | d1b: Have a link? |
| 19:16.57 | d1b | EvilGuru: depends on which crypto setup yo uwant really. |
| 19:17.05 | eXeC001er | this package build without dpkg-buildpackage witj out error. |
| 19:17.25 | pbn | themill: ok thank you |
| 19:17.31 | EvilGuru | d1b: So long as it is AES and ensures /home/freddie is encrypted I am not overly fussed :) |
| 19:18.01 | d1b | i know ubuntu uses encfs i think. |
| 19:18.08 | d1b | um pam_mount i think is used |
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| 19:18.36 | d1b | im probably wrong :) |
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| 19:18.59 | d1b | sleep time! |
| 19:19.35 | phlux | how do I change my servers' time zone? |
| 19:19.40 | valdyn | !timezone |
| 19:19.41 | dpkg | methinks timezone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch, Sarge). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/19:19:40zone /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
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| 19:19.49 | fredl | Hmm figured out how to make a RAID1 manually |
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| 19:20.31 | fredl | anybody want to try and help me sort this out? |
| 19:21.19 | fredl | I have /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1, both 100MB, formatted ext2, they should hold /boot. I've made a RAID1 out of /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 |
| 19:23.03 | fredl | I should now just pvcreate /dev/md0 right? |
| 19:23.27 | whatnow | fredl: I wouldn't recommend a raid /boot, you might have problems with grub updates... |
| 19:23.59 | fredl | no I won't have a RAID boot, /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 are both simple partitions with an ext2 on there. |
| 19:24.12 | phlux | uh |
| 19:24.22 | phlux | what do you guys use for an eastern time zone? (US EST) |
| 19:24.24 | fredl | but if I want to prevent from disk failure with RAID1 I figure I beterrer have a /boot on both disks as well. |
| 19:24.31 | fredl | right? |
| 19:24.45 | fredl | otherwise why bother setting up RAID1 |
| 19:24.55 | phlux | ah, new york |
| 19:25.36 | whatnow | fredl: Good, I ended up doing the same. Just be careful, that you don't accidentally switch the harddrives after forgetting you did it like this in a year and end up with an old menu.lst that keeps you up all night because you just can't wrap your brain around how that happened... hehe. |
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| 19:26.33 | fredl | after pvcreate /dev/md0 I should do a vgcreate, correct? |
| 19:26.37 | nsadmin | phlux they're probably in edt right now |
| 19:27.07 | fredl | whee |
| 19:27.13 | fredl | so far so good. |
| 19:27.23 | fredl | now for the logical volumes, ho hum |
| 19:28.08 | oxi | hi |
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| 19:28.47 | oxi | Is it possible to grant a process port < 1024 -binding rights? |
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| 19:29.18 | oxi | ... without having to write a C program for that? |
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| 19:29.40 | whatnow | fredl: Uhm... you sure you setting up raid1? I thought that thing was just LVM? (sorry, I've got no real idea what I'm talking about, but I was expecting mdadm to be the right tool for the job - anyway, If you know what you're doing, just ignore me ;)) |
| 19:30.12 | fredl | whatnow - I already create the RAID partition with mdadm |
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| 19:30.20 | fredl | so I have /dev/md0 |
| 19:30.26 | zrin | fredl - I think there is nothing wrong about raid1 for /boot, you just have to install grub to all disks once after grub install or update |
| 19:30.29 | fredl | I did a pvcreate on /dev/md0 |
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| 19:31.12 | fredl | I did a vgcreate after that and now have a volume group on the /dev/md0 |
| 19:31.33 | fredl | fubar thing is, I cant lvcreate -L 10G -n root omega |
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| 19:31.43 | fredl | blah bollocks |
| 19:31.55 | fredl | says device or resource is busy |
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| 19:32.10 | valdyn | fredl: which message gives which error? |
| 19:32.23 | valdyn | fredl: which command gives which error? |
| 19:32.49 | fredl | valdyn - lvcreate gives a device-mapper: create ioctl failed: Device or resource busy |
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| 19:33.09 | fredl | I took the volume group offline, should that make any different? |
| 19:33.16 | valdyn | fredl: take it online |
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| 19:33.33 | fredl | tried that, no luck, same error |
| 19:34.01 | fredl | vgdisplay doesn't say anything weird. |
| 19:34.04 | valdyn | fredl: show the output of vgs and pvs |
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| 19:34.27 | fredl | well, that's kinda hard, it's still in the installer. |
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| 19:35.13 | fredl | but vgs saysVG: omega #PV 1, #LV 0 #SN 0 Attr: wz--n- VSize 1.36T VFree 1.36T |
| 19:35.24 | gigo | how do I check whether my microphone is working? I need to record voice using the Sound Recorder tool in GNome |
| 19:35.43 | greycat|home | try recording something and see if it works |
| 19:35.51 | fredl | pvs says PV: /dev/md0 VG omega Fmt lvm2 Attr a- PSize 1.36T PFree 1.36T |
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| 19:36.46 | fredl | valdyn, is the wz--n- the problem for lvcreate? |
| 19:36.51 | valdyn | fredl: whats using /dev/md0 ? |
| 19:36.53 | valdyn | fredl: no |
| 19:36.53 | bugjar | is there a way to get the gnome applets out of the obnoxious win-tray and onto something...different... so I can use fvwm instead of the default wm? |
| 19:37.14 | gigo | greycat|home, it doesn't work. that's why I need some troubleshooting help |
| 19:37.37 | fredl | valdyn, I don't know what's using /dev/md0 How do I find out ? |
| 19:37.42 | valdyn | bugjar: theres more tray apps than just the gnome one |
| 19:37.49 | valdyn | fredl: fuser / lsof |
| 19:38.05 | fredl | they're not on the installation CD |
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| 19:38.30 | fredl | nothing should be using it as I just created them manually |
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| 19:38.55 | fredl | I just have the Debian installer in VC 1, and two shells in VC 2 and VC 3 |
| 19:39.18 | bugjar | valdyn : got any example names? browsing aptitude for "tray" isn't really working... :-\ |
| 19:39.36 | nsadmin | most likely the installer has them somehow busy |
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| 19:40.16 | nsadmin | are these the sdab2s? |
| 19:40.18 | fredl | nsadmin - could be but not very likely as I haven't touched it since creating the RAID and the vg. |
| 19:40.24 | valdyn | bugjar: trayer |
| 19:40.31 | bugjar | valdyn : thnx |
| 19:40.42 | fredl | nsadmin - yeah, sda2 and sdb2 are in /dev/md0 |
| 19:41.00 | fredl | and the installer never even saw them to begin with since parted crashes |
| 19:41.08 | nsadmin | ok, which are busy that you don't expect to be? |
| 19:41.20 | fredl | ehr parted_devices |
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| 19:42.13 | fredl | nsadmin - I think the vg is busy. |
| 19:42.28 | fredl | I just removed and recreated the vg (name is 'omega') |
| 19:43.11 | nsadmin | what did you try to do that was blocked due to busy? |
| 19:43.29 | nsadmin | you'll have to excuse me... I just got here :) |
| 19:43.36 | fredl | that seems to work, I just did vgremove omega / vgcreate omega /dev/md0 |
| 19:43.46 | fredl | no that's alright I don't mind. |
| 19:43.59 | fredl | is enjoying this low level installer futzing :P |
| 19:44.26 | fredl | so no I have a newly create volume group called 'omega' it cannot be busy of any kind, right? |
| 19:44.45 | fredl | now I do lvcreate -L 10G -n root omega |
| 19:44.51 | fredl | says: |
| 19:44.52 | nsadmin | yes but the underlying pv would be |
| 19:45.07 | fredl | device-mapper: create ioctl failed: Device or resource busy |
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| 19:45.21 | fredl | aborint. Failed to activate new LV to wipe the start of it |
| 19:45.28 | fredl | ehr Aborting |
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| 19:46.33 | fredl | so how can I check if the underlying pv is busy then? |
| 19:46.40 | fredl | and how to undo it being busy? |
| 19:47.30 | nsadmin | oh, I didn't mean that part... what I meant was that since the pv was in a vg, it would be busy in a similar sense as if it were mounted |
| 19:48.14 | fredl | I see. Could you be bothered to help me through this step by step? I'll just vgremove/pvremove and start from the beginning |
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| 19:49.29 | nsadmin | fredl: I could try, but I'm not experienced here. my first curiousity: can you make a small partition on the raid, format and mount it? |
| 19:49.57 | fredl | okay lemme try that, I wiped the LVM stuff from it |
| 19:50.25 | fredl | so just with fdisk /dev/md0 you mean? |
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| 19:51.40 | nsadmin | sure, has that been successful to do it that way? |
| 19:51.40 | fredl | that gives some problem messages right away about device containing neither a valid DOS partition table etc. |
| 19:52.02 | fredl | I've never done that. |
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| 19:52.38 | fredl | but 'w' fixes it and I created a partition of 10MB in it |
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| 19:53.10 | nsadmin | ok, if you fdisk -l /dev/md0 |
| 19:53.18 | nsadmin | does it show that partition? |
| 19:53.36 | fredl | yes it's called /dev/md0p1 |
| 19:53.52 | fredl | there's no device node for it in /dev though |
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| 19:54.22 | nsadmin | ok, so we can't mount it, damn |
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| 19:55.19 | nsadmin | and can't even format it |
| 19:55.32 | fredl | nope, lemme google |
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| 19:56.30 | fredl | ok I mknod /dev/md0p1 b 254 1 |
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| 19:56.58 | fredl | bah :P that must not be the right major/minor |
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| 19:57.11 | fredl | mke2fs gives no such device or address. |
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| 19:57.54 | gigo | how to reduce noise in Linux? |
| 19:58.06 | abrotman | noise of what? |
| 19:58.13 | fredl | major isn't 106 either. Damn |
| 19:58.15 | gigo | sorry, I mean how to reduce noise in microphone recording in Debian? |
| 19:58.36 | abrotman | gigo: turn down the mic volume usually |
| 19:58.40 | fredl | nsadmin - why did we start trying to do this anyway? :-) |
| 19:58.40 | nsadmin | gigo: better mic, better sound card |
| 19:58.48 | abrotman | gigo: or get a better mic .. or a USB mic |
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| 19:59.01 | nsadmin | to see if we run into the device or resource busy |
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| 19:59.30 | fredl | oh yeah that's right. Well I could create a partition in /dev/md0 and it didn't say it was busy then |
| 19:59.53 | fredl | wait, I'll just trash the RAID and recreate it. |
| 20:00.02 | nsadmin | let me see what .../Documentation/devices.txt says |
| 20:00.55 | greycat|home | I remember the days when you could just look in /dev on any other Debian system and get the major/minor numbers you need. |
| 20:01.38 | fredl | hmm mdadm --remove /dev/md0 is pretty damn quiet about what it's doing... |
| 20:01.41 | fredl | Grr |
| 20:01.57 | greycat|home | discovers he still has a /usr/src/linux-2.4.32/ tree and decides he can nuke that |
| 20:02.12 | fredl | is there some sort of way to list existing md devices? |
| 20:02.26 | greycat|home | cat /proc/mdstat maybe |
| 20:02.32 | fredl | yeah that worked. |
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| 20:03.42 | themill | greycat|home: but it was full of memories past! A museum piece! |
| 20:03.56 | fredl | so /dev/md0 is gone. Now I'll recreate it. |
| 20:04.03 | greycat|home | it was also the only thing returned when I ran "locate devices.txt" |
| 20:04.06 | abrotman | greycat|home: have you finally gone full 2.6.x ? |
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| 20:04.14 | greycat|home | on my home machine, yes |
| 20:04.36 | greycat|home | you'll be pleased to know I still have a 2.0.40 box at work, along with a box or two on 2.4.x |
| 20:04.37 | dustybin | greycat|home: was you running potato? |
| 20:04.49 | greycat|home | not recently |
| 20:05.49 | nsadmin | fredl: one source says md0 is not partitionable (use lvm)... |
| 20:06.04 | nsadmin | if that's the case the test is sunk... |
| 20:06.51 | nsadmin | is it possible to partition an md raid array? |
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| 20:07.13 | simonrvn | that was nice, looking in /dev, didn't have to go messing with devices.txt, or 3 manuals, or anything. just a quick ls |
| 20:07.53 | fredl | well it did partition, but n/m I'm going to recreate it with mdadm --create /dev/md0 --auto md --level=1 --raid-devices=2 --spare-devices=0 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 |
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| 20:08.42 | fredl | got that from a webpage on making a RAID 5 and I'm not sure what the --auto md does |
| 20:09.02 | fredl | the other arguments look much like what you have to choose in the Debian installer. |
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| 20:10.02 | nsadmin | what package are things like mdadm in |
| 20:10.04 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 20:10.16 | fredl | dunno on the top of my head |
| 20:10.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nsadmin about search |
| 20:10.28 | simonrvn | mdadm |
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| 20:10.38 | sepult | !mdadm |
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| 20:10.46 | Witepa | I switched my keyboard layout to a Greek layout in Ubuntu, which all worked great, but now my keyboard layout is stuck on the Greek layout in gdm... so essentially I cannot login. I've tried to run dkpg-reconfigure console-setup from the recovery mode, but the keyboard layout is Greek there to (which does not use ascii mappings), so I cannot run anything. How do I change it back so I can login again? |
| 20:11.00 | greycat|home | !ubuntu |
| 20:11.00 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:11.03 | mersault | I just swapped out the motherboard in one of my debian systems. Everything else about the system has stayed the same, but now at boot it can't find the root partition which is an LVM volume. I've tried booting into rescue mode from CD and re-installed grub, but no luck. |
| 20:11.06 | sepult | crypt dmsetup |
| 20:11.16 | abrotman | Witepa: you want #ubuntu .. this channel is for Debian users |
| 20:11.19 | sepult | device-mapper |
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| 20:11.37 | streuner | !ops onjoin spam |BaHaR|`yok |
| 20:11.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: streuner complains about: onjoin spam |BaHaR|`yok |
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| 20:11.48 | fredl | well I'll leave out the --auto md argument coz I can't find what it's supposed to do |
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| 20:12.04 | streuner | thanks mentor |
| 20:12.23 | Witepa | abrotman: Yeah, I figured as much, but they're not being very helpful... I figured this would be more of a gdm issue though and I can generally work my way between debian and ubuntu support. |
| 20:12.26 | mentor | np |
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| 20:12.32 | fredl | so just mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 --spare-devices=0 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 |
| 20:12.38 | simonrvn | could've gotten a free k:line if you waited 10 more seconds ;). but thanks. |
| 20:12.38 | greycat|home | can you remove gdm? |
| 20:12.58 | simonrvn | fredl: that works |
| 20:13.00 | fredl | says: mdadm: array /dev/md0 started |
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| 20:13.16 | fredl | okay so now I should have an idle /dev/md0 correct? |
| 20:13.18 | abrotman | Witepa: they should be able to tell you how to force it to another keyboard layout (and to boot single user mode) |
| 20:13.24 | Witepa | greycat|home: not at the current state, all input is reading as greek, so I really can't run anything at the moment without a Live CD. |
| 20:13.26 | fredl | and I can pvcreate /dev/md0 ? |
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| 20:13.44 | nsadmin | simonrvn: still can... that bot is on #redhat, making this a net issue |
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| 20:13.48 | greycat|home | Witepa: ctrl-alt-f2 doesn't give you a regular text console login? |
| 20:13.56 | abrotman | Witepa: but, we really do not support ubuntu users here |
| 20:13.59 | simonrvn | it's syncing now |
| 20:14.04 | simonrvn | nsadmin: nods |
| 20:14.27 | nsadmin | fredl: give it a shot |
| 20:14.32 | Witepa | greycat|home: It does, but my keyboard maps to greek characters even then unfortunately. |
| 20:14.35 | fredl | simonrvn - aha! so that's why it says it's busy after pvcreate / vgcreate / lvcreate? |
| 20:14.55 | fredl | simonrvn pvcreate and vgcreate work but it barks on lvcreate. |
| 20:15.06 | simonrvn | probably |
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| 20:15.25 | fredl | so how do I make it stop syncing? :) |
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| 20:15.35 | nsadmin | or wait till it's done |
| 20:15.51 | pepsu | debhelper: <amd64> |
| 20:15.53 | fredl | no that takes HOURS and I don't remember the Debian installer telling me to wait a few hours. |
| 20:16.00 | simonrvn | you stop it from syncing, you have to start over. |
| 20:16.18 | fredl | so there must be a way to keep going without the syncing stopping me from doing so. |
| 20:16.20 | pepsu | !amd64 |
| 20:16.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 20:16.31 | simonrvn | dunno, there's probably some magic trick i don't know about. you could always try. |
| 20:16.52 | pepsu | !why amd64 |
| 20:16.53 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
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| 20:17.02 | eXeC001er | i need help. |
| 20:17.19 | simonrvn | pepsu: /msg the bot |
| 20:17.20 | pepsu | sorry? |
| 20:17.30 | abrotman | pepsu: in your irc client .. /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 20:17.32 | eXeC001er | dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libc.so.1 needed by debian/libnspr4-0d/usr/lib/libplds4.so.0d (its RPATH is '/usr/lib') |
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| 20:17.38 | pepsu | ah ok |
| 20:17.56 | pepsu | thnx |
| 20:17.59 | fredl | simonrvn, I could just mdadm --manage --stop /dev/md0, I wonder if that would be the magic trick you speak of |
| 20:18.07 | greycat|home | libc.so.1 is not going to be found _anywhere_ |
| 20:18.10 | eXeC001er | but i have this library in /lib and symlink in /usr/lib |
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| 20:18.20 | greycat|home | I bet you have libc.so.6 |
| 20:18.31 | simonrvn | fredl: *shrug* |
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| 20:18.40 | fredl | simonrvn, it says in mdadm --manage --help: --stop: deactivate array, releasing all resources |
| 20:18.47 | fredl | well, worth a try |
| 20:18.54 | simonrvn | fredl: try it |
| 20:18.56 | streuner | greycat|home: why you are at this time at home= |
| 20:19.02 | streuner | greycat|home: ? |
| 20:19.11 | fredl | mdadm: stopped /dev/md0 |
| 20:19.14 | greycat|home | because I live here? |
| 20:19.15 | fredl | so far so good :P |
| 20:19.18 | simonrvn | it might stop the whole thing too |
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| 20:19.29 | eXeC001er | i have libc.so.6 and libc.so.1 |
| 20:19.35 | streuner | greycat. usually you work till 11 pm :-P |
| 20:19.38 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 20:19.39 | CaDaVeRiA | hi...someone here has a tuto/How-to install or run jails on debian? :s i knew is possible on freebsd...but i dont know how i can do it on debian ... :S |
| 20:19.43 | greycat|home | streuner: it's Sunday here. |
| 20:19.58 | simonrvn | eXeC001er: i don't see how you'd get libc.so.1 |
| 20:20.00 | streuner | greycat|home: hm, i forgot |
| 20:20.00 | sepult | makejail, jailer, tailtool |
| 20:20.14 | sepult | CaDaVeRiA: emerge them |
| 20:20.22 | greycat|home | eXeC001er: where did your libc.so.1 come from? |
| 20:20.25 | fredl | GRRRR, now pvcreate /dev/md0 gives me 'Size must exceed minimum of 1024 sectors. |
| 20:20.29 | fredl | WTF.. |
| 20:20.30 | sepult | CaDaVeRiA: ermm, apt-get install them |
| 20:21.03 | greycat|home | eXeC001er: also, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:21.03 | sepult | CaDaVeRiA: and look into the manuals |
| 20:21.17 | fredl | I'm so screwed here :P |
| 20:21.30 | CaDaVeRiA | ok thanks for help sepult |
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| 20:22.03 | eXeC001er | sorry. i have libc.so.1, libc.so.6 haven't. |
| 20:22.08 | fredl | I think mdadm --manage --stop actually killed my whole raid. Nice to know :) |
| 20:22.15 | greycat|home | eXeC001er: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:22.33 | eXeC001er | my system is't DEBIAN |
| 20:22.38 | greycat|home | then you're in the wrong place. |
| 20:23.04 | fredl | LOL, mdadm --manage --stop does indeed remove the RAID, maybe coz it's not synced yet I dunno |
| 20:23.19 | nsadmin | s/in the wrong place/asking in the wrong place/ |
| 20:23.23 | buntfalke | how do i disable ssh such that it remains disabled after updates? |
| 20:23.38 | streuner | nsadmin: which is the same... |
| 20:23.39 | greycat|home | do you mean the sshd server? |
| 20:23.45 | buntfalke | y |
| 20:24.06 | nsadmin | no, he can be here if he doesn't ask about a non-debian system |
| 20:24.16 | greycat|home | buntfalke: dpkg --remove openssh-server |
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| 20:24.42 | streuner | nsadmin: what kind of crap did you smoke? |
| 20:24.44 | buntfalke | greycat|home: nono, just the init-stuff. i dont want it to start automatically |
| 20:24.53 | nsadmin | the alternative is you have to read his mind to see if he's going to ask :) |
| 20:25.08 | streuner | omg |
| 20:25.23 | nsadmin | how else are you going to know? |
| 20:25.43 | fredl | you *must* use pvcreate before doing anything else with LVM right? |
| 20:25.57 | nsadmin | yeah, you have to pvcreate |
| 20:25.59 | zrin | valdyn, abrotman, xeon-enouf, dutchfish: if you remember my problem with slow md-raid performace - after moving drives around and testing with a second mainboard it went away without revealing the cause ... now it works with original setup, with only difference that 4 disks are on promise pci sata controller (raid5) and 4 disks on onboard SB700 (raid10) |
| 20:26.01 | zrin | now it's ~190 MB/s throughput on raid10 |
| 20:26.14 | fredl | and after that you *must* use vgcreate right? |
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| 20:26.48 | nsadmin | before you can lvcreate, yes |
| 20:26.51 | simonrvn | fredl: http://www.jukie.net/~bart/blog/lvm2-on-raid1 ; short and sweet. doesn't say anything about waiting |
| 20:27.16 | abrotman | zrin: that doesn't sound good or right .. but as long as you're happy .. |
| 20:27.53 | fredl | simonrvn, alright, looks good, prett much halfway there, lesse... |
| 20:28.04 | zrin | abrotman: if it stays that way I'll be happy - I'm certainly not about lost sunday... |
| 20:28.37 | fredl | simonrvn - get same message about device or resource busy again :((( |
| 20:28.54 | buntfalke | hmm, update-rc.d ssh disable seems to be right |
| 20:29.15 | sepult | fredl: do a ps -aux|lsof to look for stale processes using |
| 20:29.15 | sepult | anything from your raid maybe |
| 20:29.28 | greycat|home | of all the things I might want NOT to start automatically at boot, sshd is sure as hell not on the list |
| 20:29.39 | fredl | sepult - I'm in the installer CD, don't have lsof :( |
| 20:29.39 | nsadmin | simonrvn: so he gets "device or resource busy" on step 5 |
| 20:29.44 | sepult | oh |
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| 20:30.25 | sepult | fredl: then install aufs-tools and aufs-modules or so and try to |
| 20:30.25 | sepult | get the lsof |
| 20:30.27 | fredl | sepult - for some fubar reason the Debian installer doesn't recognize my disks (there's something weird there to begin with but I can see them with fdisk etc.) |
| 20:30.43 | sepult | ah |
| 20:31.05 | fredl | I figured I'd try the partitioning manually and then go on to the base install. |
| 20:31.21 | nsadmin | fredl: what's the uname -r of the kernel you're running while in the installer? |
| 20:31.36 | fredl | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 20:31.37 | sepult | fredl: did you activate the right mbr in the bios ? |
| 20:32.02 | fredl | sepult - I don't know how to do that. |
| 20:32.25 | sepult | fredl: sometimes the partitioning gets swapped, i don't know why, |
| 20:32.25 | sepult | i had that too |
| 20:32.27 | fredl | but the system has been booting from these disks today and nothing changed in the BIOS. |
| 20:32.34 | sepult | ok |
| 20:32.42 | fredl | now I'm booted from the CD obviously |
| 20:32.48 | nsadmin | sepult: what are the choices of mbrs to activate in the bios? |
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| 20:33.15 | fredl | but from the installed CD the parted_devices program segfaults |
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| 20:33.30 | sepult | fredl: depends on how many disks you have, and if you have two |
| 20:33.30 | sepult | active on different disks, sometimes that's causing trouble |
| 20:34.01 | lbeew | I just installed a fresh copy of debian, now it set my default screen resoltuion to 1680x1050 but I want to set it to 1024x768 but when i do this my monitor gives signal frequency is out of range please change signal timing |
| 20:34.11 | lbeew | and stays that way until i reboot but then the resolution is still the same |
| 20:34.16 | lbeew | using lenny |
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| 20:34.34 | sepult | fradl: maybe the cd lacks the proper device drivers for the disks |
| 20:34.34 | sepult | ? |
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| 20:35.05 | fredl | sepult - nah, I've been redoing this install a few times today and yesterday and it always worked fine |
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| 20:35.52 | fredl | just this last time it all of the sudden stopped working. Incidentally, the NIC also stopped working, I took the power off for a few minutes and the NIC worked again but then the installer didn't see the disks anymore |
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| 20:36.17 | simonrvn | weird |
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| 20:36.28 | zrin | is happy about 120 MB/s throughput with dm-crypt on raid10 |
| 20:36.44 | fredl | I mean what does parted_devices have to do? fdisk -l /dev/sda|/dev/sdb works fine |
| 20:36.51 | DustyDingo | hm, update-initramfs fails on two of my debian machines |
| 20:36.56 | sepult | fredl: seems like the boot order of the disks may got reversed, i |
| 20:36.56 | sepult | would first load the setup-defaults for your bios to be sure |
| 20:37.05 | DustyDingo | when setting up cryptsetup |
| 20:37.09 | DustyDingo | debian testing |
| 20:37.30 | sepult | fredl: that's always a good idea, before trying enything else |
| 20:37.32 | fredl | this motherboard hates me! |
| 20:37.39 | sepult | lol |
| 20:37.46 | sepult | oh i had issues with some too |
| 20:38.24 | zrin | fredl: which MB is it? |
| 20:38.25 | fredl | well lemme go load the setup defaults in the BIOS and see if that makes a difference. |
| 20:38.35 | sepult | ok |
| 20:38.37 | fredl | zrin - Gigabyte EX58-UD5 |
| 20:39.02 | zrin | fredl: i had similar problems with a similar Gigabyte MB |
| 20:39.26 | fredl | I read about problems with the NIC's in this board but thought I had that sorted out with installing Realtek's own r8168 driver instead of the r8169 driver with Lenny |
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| 20:40.06 | fredl | zrin - yeah, it hates me and I'm starting to hate it. Weird though I thought Gigabyte had a pretty good reputation. |
| 20:40.07 | zrin | fredl: I had NIC failing in win32 as well |
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| 20:40.28 | streuner | hm, pretty evil then |
| 20:40.44 | sepult | pretty sure it's board related then |
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| 20:41.08 | fredl | with the Lenny r8169 driver the card would report being in gigabit mode but the switch said 100Mb and got tons of dropped packets. |
| 20:41.21 | sepult | i have problems with my asus board too |
| 20:41.29 | fredl | installing the r8168 driver fixed all that. |
| 20:41.41 | fredl | sepult - Realtek NIC? |
| 20:41.53 | sepult | everytime i plug it off the power cables and replug the cmos will |
| 20:41.53 | sepult | be reset, to some year 2004 or so |
| 20:42.02 | sepult | i once couldn't boot it |
| 20:42.08 | sepult | just because of it |
| 20:42.17 | sepult | till i recognized |
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| 20:42.23 | fredl | heh |
| 20:42.38 | fredl | maybe an empty CMOS battery? |
| 20:42.44 | sepult | nope |
| 20:42.49 | sepult | i don't think so |
| 20:42.50 | fredl | or you short something lightly when you insert the cable? |
| 20:43.01 | zrin | fredl: on the other side I have 790XT-UD4P and 790GP-UD4H here which are ok so far |
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| 20:43.56 | madhat | how do i start debian directly to console |
| 20:44.33 | zrin | sepult: try a new battery; even if the old one still has 3V voltage it can be broken |
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| 20:44.39 | xeon-enouf | zrin: can you pastebin lspci of each mobo please? |
| 20:44.44 | fredl | lessee... BIOS reloaded with optimal values. |
| 20:45.24 | xeon-enouf | zrin: and kernel version is mui importante |
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| 20:45.47 | sepult | ok i'll try that next time |
| 20:45.52 | sepult | changing battery |
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| 20:47.14 | madhat | how do i go from gnome to console? |
| 20:47.21 | zrin | xeon-enouf: you mean of this gigabyte MBs - this would take some time (to start debian live); I have foxconn A7GM-S w/ AMD 780S+SB700 running if you're interested |
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| 20:47.29 | xeon-enouf | sepult: many older BIOSes have a jumper (3 pins) for 'modes', Normal, Recovery, and off for just CMOS ROM omly |
| 20:47.35 | fredl | hey! now the installer does see the disks again! |
| 20:47.42 | fredl | fubar fubar fubar |
| 20:47.55 | fredl | well I'm happy don't get me wrong. |
| 20:48.25 | xeon-enouf | zrin: i'm also curious if there's anything diff about the debian-LIVE- kernel you're using |
| 20:48.27 | fredl | ofcourse now the installer sees all kinds of junk on my disks from my previous manual endevors :P |
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| 20:48.54 | plt | do i have to create a user account on the server for every user that needs an account with exim ? |
| 20:49.09 | zrin | xeon-enouf: I used it for testing, now the system runs with .30-bpo.1-amd64 |
| 20:50.01 | xeon-enouf | zrin: i was just trying to ascertain why the diff in mdadm raid perf benchmarks |
| 20:50.17 | simonrvn | fredl: so just tell it to wipe the crud off and do it :) |
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| 20:50.41 | fredl | simonrvn, yah doing that right now but I manually wiped the crud off. I'm getting handy at this :P |
| 20:50.45 | zrin | xeon-enouf: I don't think there is difference betwenn .26 and .30 regarding that problem |
| 20:50.53 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:51.06 | zrin | xeon-enouf: it was both there and went away with both kernels |
| 20:51.33 | xeon-enouf | plt: not sure if every user would need a $HOME oand/or a shell, but see /etc/default/useradd and /etc/adduser.conf |
| 20:52.01 | xeon-enouf | zrin: so Mobo + Chipset related? |
| 20:52.07 | plt | Anyone familiar with exim4 here ?? |
| 20:52.15 | plt | have couple of simple questoins |
| 20:53.08 | fredl | ok, got an ext2 partition for /boot now, now going to see if the installer will let me make a RAID from /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 |
| 20:53.15 | zrin | xeon-enouf: unfortunately I'm not sure; at one pint I thought maybe even PSU-related, but now it's working with almost the original setup - 120 MB/s dm-crypt over raid10 |
| 20:53.28 | fredl | yay! |
| 20:53.28 | simonrvn | plt: #exim |
| 20:53.37 | xeon-enouf | petemc: wake up! ;-) plt wait for him to be avail :-) |
| 20:54.14 | xeon-enouf | fredl: ofcourse it will |
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| 20:54.27 | xeon-enouf | zrin: odd .. cannot compute :-P |
| 20:54.49 | fredl | xeon-enouf, yeah but... |
| 20:54.56 | fredl | Hmm |
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| 20:55.06 | fredl | I don't see the LVM menu anymore now. |
| 20:55.19 | xeon-enouf | fredl: wipe the disks, use /dev/zero .. start again ;-) |
| 20:55.24 | plt | simonrvn, i tried but no response there |
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| 20:55.35 | simonrvn | wait. someone will. |
| 20:55.48 | fredl | oh wait... first I have to use the raid volume as lvm device |
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| 20:56.35 | fredl | will NOT give up! |
| 20:56.38 | fredl | damnit :P |
| 20:56.55 | BackLash|TheFly | Ok, time to get back to beating a dead horse in the face |
| 20:57.07 | xeon-enouf | fredl: did you start the installer with expert{gui} ? |
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| 20:57.57 | whatnow | OMFG, I've been searching for the problem with my wlan/WPA for 3 hours and now I notice, BIOS clock was F* 3 years off! GWAH! |
| 20:57.59 | xeon-enouf | fredl: stop fighting newcomer-features :-) |
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| 20:58.18 | xeon-enouf | whatnow: my installation was 8 yrs off :-P |
| 20:58.40 | xeon-enouf | and still is,for most files :-P |
| 20:58.54 | xeon-enouf | but BIOS clock off == mayhem |
| 20:58.55 | sepult | lol |
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| 20:59.03 | whatnow | Stoopid router doesn't like timetraveling interfaces -.-" |
| 20:59.07 | zrin | xeon-enouf: the system I had that md-raid problem with: http://paste.debian.net/47109/ |
| 20:59.13 | orak3l | im using debian squeeze. gcc has a dependency gcc-4.3. ive installed gcc-4.4 and want to invoke it just via gcc. update-alternatives has no gcc section so i could just remove the symbolic link from /usr/bin/gcc and configure to point to gcc-4.4. my question is if that is the only way |
| 20:59.31 | xeon-enouf | orak3l: export CC=gcc-version |
| 20:59.38 | fredl | I'm no expert at this shit xeon-enouf :) |
| 20:59.56 | xeon-enouf | orak3l: might also want export HOSTCC=gcc-version |
| 20:59.58 | fredl | I'm doing this to revive all sorts of sysadmin skills :) |
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| 21:00.13 | nsadmin | orak3l: CC=gcc-4.4 ./configure ... |
| 21:00.25 | xeon-enouf | fredl: you're toying like you be knowledgeable :-P |
| 21:00.49 | xeon-enouf | not even sure if i spelled that correctly simonrvn :-P |
| 21:01.00 | orak3l | xeon-enouf, thank you. but will this work also for kernel-package to compile a custom kernel? |
| 21:01.09 | xeon-enouf | er.. |
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| 21:01.28 | xeon-enouf | man make-kpkg .. i forget offhand |
| 21:01.44 | gumbox | is it just me or the testing ia64 cd image is not booting? |
| 21:01.50 | xeon-enouf | likely will in current shell .. |
| 21:01.53 | NiveusLuna | One of my limited users on debian squeeze isn't getting colors for types of files on the terminal. (blue for directory, red for archive, etc). How do I change this? |
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| 21:02.05 | xeon-enouf | gumbox: ia64 is ITANIUM only |
| 21:02.18 | fredl | xeon-enouf, well through the toying I become knowledgeable again! it's fun! |
| 21:02.19 | xeon-enouf | gumbox: you want amd64 ARCH |
| 21:02.25 | gumbox | jesus what's wrong with me |
| 21:02.44 | xeon-enouf | !lart gumbox |
| 21:02.44 | dpkg | takes gumbox to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 21:02.45 | fredl | xeon-enouf, I'm actually enjoying this shit :) |
| 21:02.50 | gumbox | i know i know... hrrrrr |
| 21:02.55 | xeon-enouf | ;-) |
| 21:03.04 | gumbox | thanks sweetheart |
| 21:03.27 | xeon-enouf | fredl: if you want to highly 'tweak' installation, use expert{gui} mode |
| 21:03.31 | fredl | okay! installing the base system, wheehaw |
| 21:04.04 | fredl | xeon-enouf, I'll get to that later on once I got everything in the install down and documented. |
| 21:04.04 | xeon-enouf | gumbox: no prob hon :-P |
| 21:04.21 | gumbox | ;P |
| 21:04.26 | xeon-enouf | shakes his cane at ajavid |
| 21:05.09 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: that's an LS_COLORS variable likely |
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| 21:05.40 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: compare 'printenv' outputs |
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| 21:05.42 | fredl | xeon-enouf, I should also make myself a new installer CD altogether that doesn't have the fubar r8169 NIC driver on there |
| 21:05.45 | NiveusLuna | I don't know much about environment variables. What should it be set to, or where would I look to find it? |
| 21:05.54 | incredimike | how can I remove a package to the point that it asks me to specify config items when I install it again? |
| 21:05.57 | simonrvn | fredl: \o/ |
| 21:06.10 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: in the user's ~/.bashrc if bash |
| 21:06.25 | fredl | and maybe I'll even go so far as to boot from the network and have a fully automated install :) |
| 21:06.29 | NiveusLuna | ah. okay, thanks. |
| 21:06.44 | xeon-enouf | fredl: that's what kmuto does, but fdeel free to contribute - /msg dpkg cdd |
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| 21:06.54 | iaindalton | How do I force removal of a package that has an error in its pre-removal script? |
| 21:07.08 | xeon-enouf | fredl: /msg dpkg fai ; /msg dpkg preseed |
| 21:07.13 | fredl | well I've done that before, long long time ago. |
| 21:07.41 | DustyDingo | when i update initramfs triggered by cryptsetup, how long should take this? |
| 21:07.43 | xeon-enouf | iaindalton: likely want to add 'exit 0' one new line, just after the shebang of script |
| 21:07.45 | fredl | it's not so hard to get the tftp stuff going 'n all, I should be able to revive those skills :) |
| 21:07.47 | DustyDingo | i mean, this runs for an houre now |
| 21:07.51 | NiveusLuna | there is no .bashrc O.o |
| 21:07.56 | NiveusLuna | fixes |
| 21:07.57 | xeon-enouf | iaindalton: s/one/on/ |
| 21:07.58 | DustyDingo | on a _fast_ machine |
| 21:08.05 | fredl | there is no spoon. |
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| 21:08.34 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: cat /proc/version ; cat /etc/issue.net |
| 21:08.35 | fredl | DustyDingo, I bet mine is faster than yours :P |
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| 21:09.00 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:09.07 | NiveusLuna | you don't say XD |
| 21:09.09 | xeon-enouf | DustyDingo: how are you "update initramfs triggered by cryptsetup" ?? |
| 21:09.20 | nsadmin | I -did- say! |
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| 21:09.42 | iaindalton | xeon-enouf: sounds like an idea |
| 21:09.54 | bpun | is looking for a filemanager that offers quickview for textfiles.. hmmm |
| 21:09.57 | NiveusLuna | okay... the user that does get colors doesn't have a .bashrc, either. so copying it is out, and possibly a bad idea anyway... how does one set a permanent environment variable? |
| 21:10.04 | NiveusLuna | i remember NAME=value for temporary... |
| 21:10.05 | vex | anyone got a second to help me figure out why aptitude safe-upgrade wants to remove a whole heap of packages? (yes, I'm using testing) |
| 21:10.14 | iaindalton | xeon-enouf: where do I find the pre-removal script? I just know that's how it's failing because aptitude tells me so |
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| 21:11.11 | bpun | iaindalton, somewhere under /var |
| 21:11.12 | xeon-enouf | iaindalton: updatedb ; locate .prerem ; but it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ likeley |
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| 21:11.20 | nsadmin | NiveusLuna: the thing about environment vars, is they're each attached to something... |
| 21:11.44 | Canar | my debian installation has a half-configured dpkg and i can't seem to fix it. I keep getting the error: touch: setting times of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Bad address |
| 21:11.54 | Canar | Can anyone help? |
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| 21:11.58 | fredl | that's not good Canar |
| 21:12.00 | xeon-enouf | iaindalton: you sure it's failing there? |
| 21:12.07 | Canar | i know fredl |
| 21:12.13 | fredl | can you ls /var/log/dpkg.log? |
| 21:12.26 | Canar | yes |
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| 21:12.39 | xeon-enouf | Canar: what's the perms on that dir? is /var/ a separate partition? |
| 21:12.39 | fredl | thinks you have a hosed filesystem. Can you umount and fsck it? |
| 21:12.52 | Canar | hm |
| 21:12.54 | Canar | i'll see |
| 21:12.58 | Canar | it's a remote system |
| 21:13.00 | fredl | or is /var not a separate partition? |
| 21:13.02 | xeon-enouf | is /var/ full ? |
| 21:13.10 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.19 | xeon-enouf | Bad Address == bad :-P |
| 21:13.25 | Canar | no, the whole box is a remote system |
| 21:13.30 | fredl | yes particularly on file systems. |
| 21:13.35 | markybob | heh |
| 21:13.44 | markybob | oh, thank you, canar. i needed that laugh |
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| 21:14.12 | fredl | Canar - is /var on a separate filesystem or is it part of your root filesystem? |
| 21:14.23 | sepult | part of the root |
| 21:14.24 | iaindalton | xeon-enouf: http://paste.lisp.org/display/87387 shows the relevant lines |
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| 21:14.31 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: what shell is the user using that has the 'colors' issue? |
| 21:14.34 | Canar | fredl: trying to find that out for you |
| 21:14.47 | fredl | well just type df -k |
| 21:14.50 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: what shell are all other users using that has the 'colors' works? |
| 21:14.59 | NiveusLuna | bash |
| 21:15.03 | fredl | AAAAAAHAHAHA, COOL BEANZ, I can now install GRUB! |
| 21:15.05 | NiveusLuna | aka the only shell installed |
| 21:15.11 | sepult | dash |
| 21:15.15 | sepult | in testing |
| 21:15.18 | Canar | it all appears to be on one file system |
| 21:15.19 | sepult | bash in stable |
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| 21:15.39 | fredl | yay ! finishing installation, RAID1 and LVM active and GRUB installed, not too shabby |
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| 21:15.54 | fredl | is pleased |
| 21:15.54 | simonrvn | nice |
| 21:16.06 | nsadmin | fredl: what was the issue? |
| 21:16.17 | sepult | bios |
| 21:16.22 | fredl | nsadmin - I reloaded the optimal BIOS settings. |
| 21:16.30 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 21:16.32 | fredl | something must've really gotten fubar'ed there. |
| 21:16.34 | Canar | markybob: what's so funny |
| 21:16.38 | xeon-enouf | iaindalton: and 'dpkg -l automake | tail -1' says? ..and show me the exact command you ran |
| 21:16.39 | Nonpython | can someone recommend a irc server to run on etch? it has to be low-memory nad low size |
| 21:16.48 | Nonpython | s/nad/and/ |
| 21:16.59 | sepult | irssi maybe ? |
| 21:17.00 | fredl | Canar - you are in some big trouble then if it's a remote system. |
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| 21:17.05 | NiveusLuna | server, not client |
| 21:17.10 | xeon-enouf | l$ dpkg -l automake* | tail -1 |
| 21:17.17 | fredl | Canar - I'd recommend that you go there with a livecd and then fsck the root filesystem |
| 21:17.19 | xeon-enouf | iaindalton: add the asterisk |
| 21:17.19 | Canar | gah |
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| 21:17.29 | Canar | and aptitude kills another system |
| 21:17.33 | Canar | fucking hell |
| 21:17.43 | xeon-enouf | iaindalton: and | grep^.i instead of tail -n1 |
| 21:17.47 | xeon-enouf | iaindalton: and | grep^.i instead of tail -1 |
| 21:17.47 | fredl | Canar - is your root filesystem full by any chance? |
| 21:17.50 | simonrvn | !layer 8 |
| 21:17.54 | xeon-enouf | crap |
| 21:17.56 | Canar | fredl: nope |
| 21:17.58 | xeon-enouf | iaindalton: and | grep ^.i instead of tail -1 |
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| 21:18.10 | fredl | Canar: dude you're in trouble. |
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| 21:18.20 | simonrvn | !layer 8 problem |
| 21:18.22 | iaindalton | xeon-enouf: |
| 21:18.22 | iaindalton | ii automake1.4 1:1.4-p6-13 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles |
| 21:18.22 | iaindalton | ii automake1.9 1.9.6+nogfdl-3ubuntu2.09.04 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles |
| 21:18.34 | fredl | Canar - I hope this isn't your biggest client's production webserver :) |
| 21:18.38 | beardy | BUSTED. |
| 21:18.42 | xeon-enouf | iaindalton: and pastebin your complete command and output |
| 21:18.48 | simonrvn | beardy: totally |
| 21:18.49 | xeon-enouf | oh - HEHE |
| 21:18.51 | beardy | Go to #ubuntu for fucks sake. |
| 21:18.59 | xeon-enouf | !beardy++ |
| 21:19.06 | Canar | fredl: i have a few clients on it :[ |
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| 21:19.29 | Canar | oh well |
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| 21:19.35 | Canar | time to open a support ticket i guess |
| 21:19.37 | fredl | Canar - well in that case I hope 'remote' isn't like a 1000 miles. |
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| 21:19.48 | plt | anyone know exim4 here ? |
| 21:19.49 | NiveusLuna | xeon-enouf: I have the colors info I need, but I need to know where to put it. |
| 21:19.52 | xeon-enouf | iaindalton: we cannot and will not offer advice about *buntu nor debian-based variants |
| 21:19.55 | Canar | heh yeah, it's in florida, i'm in toronto |
| 21:20.06 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: which shell? |
| 21:20.19 | NiveusLuna | bash... or whatever the default is in squeeze. |
| 21:20.23 | xeon-enouf | getent passwd | grep username to see which shell |
| 21:20.29 | nsadmin | Canar: get your passport and your car or flight together... |
| 21:20.30 | xeon-enouf | bash |
| 21:20.42 | Canar | don't have a passport |
| 21:20.48 | simonrvn | iaindalton: #ubuntu |
| 21:20.50 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: then create a ~/.bashrc and place it inthere |
| 21:20.57 | iaindalton | xeon-enouf: more people in #debian know how to use aptitude, and I was just asking where to find the pre-remove script |
| 21:21.00 | nsadmin | then you probably are not getting into the US |
| 21:21.02 | fredl | Canar - uhm... you're hosting for clients in a datacenter in another country? |
| 21:21.02 | themill | plt: assume yes and ask your real question -- no-one is ever going to say "yes" to that question. |
| 21:21.05 | NiveusLuna | i did that and relogged, it didn't work |
| 21:21.07 | sepult | Canar: i can borrow you mine ! lol |
| 21:21.10 | NiveusLuna | or does it need a reboot? |
| 21:21.16 | fredl | Canar - and you hope that a support ticket will fix this problem> |
| 21:21.27 | fredl | good luck with that.... |
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| 21:21.31 | simonrvn | sepult: 'lend' |
| 21:21.32 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: no, logout entirely the user / login works |
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| 21:21.50 | sepult | simonrvn: jup right lend |
| 21:21.56 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: does 'env' show the proper LS_COLORS= now? |
| 21:22.20 | simonrvn | sepult: 'borrow' is the other direction |
| 21:22.25 | Nonpython | can someone recommend a irc server to run on etch? |
| 21:22.27 | xeon-enouf | LS_COLORS=rs=0:di=01;34:ln=01;36:hl=44;37:pi=40;33:so=01;35:do=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=40;31;01:su=37;41:sg=30;43:ca=30;41:tw=30;42:ow=34;42:st=37;44:ex=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31: |
| 21:22.31 | sepult | simonrvn: already noticed |
| 21:22.31 | xeon-enouf | and so on |
| 21:22.41 | simonrvn | :) |
| 21:22.47 | beardy | Nonpython: Why are you running etch? |
| 21:22.49 | sepult | simonrvn: org-mode TODO: never swap borrow and lend |
| 21:22.58 | sepult | lol |
| 21:23.05 | beardy | Nonpython: Why are you hosting services on a box running etch? |
| 21:23.19 | nsadmin | you can swap, but if you borrow or lend, you could be in trouble! |
| 21:23.23 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:23.30 | NiveusLuna | Nonpython: i like inspircd. i don't know how it compares to others, though. |
| 21:23.33 | plt | anyone know exim4 here ? |
| 21:23.45 | beardy | Never heard of him. |
| 21:23.56 | xeon-enouf | plt: all i know is; dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:23.57 | nsadmin | could you hum a few bars? maybe I could fake it |
| 21:24.05 | NiveusLuna | and the version on debian is way outdated. current version is 1.2.0 |
| 21:24.27 | plt | i am trying to create new users on EXIM4 using /etc/exim4/passwd - anyone know to do it ? |
| 21:24.43 | beardy | !ask |
| 21:24.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:25.06 | xeon-enouf | plt: are the users listed in /etc/passwd, do they have a shell, and a $HOME ? |
| 21:25.08 | NiveusLuna | xeon-enouf: i made a .bashrc with that in it, and it's not working. |
| 21:25.21 | NiveusLuna | bbiab, laundry |
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| 21:25.33 | themill | plt: "man 5 exim4_passwd" looks promising. |
| 21:25.40 | xeon-enouf | adds some stains to NiveusLuna laundry |
| 21:25.54 | EvilGuru | Is there a simple way to install the freetype/fontconfig/cairo/xft packages from Ubuntu on a Debian/testing system? |
| 21:26.20 | linXea | what kernel is squeeze equipped with ? |
| 21:26.25 | NiveusLuna | heh. timer went off, but the dryer is still going... anyway. |
| 21:26.30 | nsadmin | judd kernels |
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| 21:26.32 | judd | nsadmin: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-7); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 21:26.38 | NiveusLuna | the .bashrc isn't giving the colors |
| 21:26.42 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: if they're using bash, they should have a default ~/.bashrc which is copied over from /etc/skel/ if Debian |
| 21:26.51 | sepult | EvilGuru: apt-cache search ^font|cut -d " " -f1|xargs apt-get -y |
| 21:26.51 | sepult | install |
| 21:26.59 | linXea | thank you judd |
| 21:26.59 | sepult | etc... |
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| 21:27.02 | NiveusLuna | if there is one, ls -a isn't showing it. |
| 21:27.16 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: ls -al /bin/sh |
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| 21:27.39 | NiveusLuna | points to bash |
| 21:27.52 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: echo $SHELL |
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| 21:28.04 | NiveusLuna | /bin/bash |
| 21:28.08 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: 'whoami' |
| 21:28.14 | xeon-enouf | id -a |
| 21:28.16 | EvilGuru | sepult: I am unsure if that will help; ideally I want the ubuntu versions, with have some neat patches |
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| 21:28.28 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: are you said username/ |
| 21:28.29 | xeon-enouf | ? |
| 21:28.33 | NiveusLuna | yes, i am. |
| 21:28.34 | plt | xeon-enouf, i want to create users just for exim4 and not provide linux accounts for them |
| 21:28.35 | Nonpython | can someone recommend a irc server to run on etch? (I am running a VPS that only has etch) |
| 21:28.37 | EvilGuru | *which |
| 21:28.53 | xeon-enouf | wait .. who's using &*buntu? |
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| 21:28.58 | xeon-enouf | i forget now |
| 21:29.14 | sepult | EvilGuru: then just add the repos to you /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:29.33 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: echo $TERM |
| 21:29.42 | EvilGuru | sepult: Does that not run the risk of pulling all other kinds of Ubuntu garbage in? |
| 21:29.49 | linXea | goddamn those *buntu users hanging around here.. |
| 21:29.57 | NiveusLuna | ...this is odd |
| 21:30.00 | NiveusLuna | xterm |
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| 21:30.02 | NiveusLuna | over ssh |
| 21:30.15 | cirzgamanti | console-setup is hanging when doing apt-get; how can i remove it without losing all packages it wants to remove with it? |
| 21:30.15 | xeon-enouf | that's different |
| 21:30.16 | themill | EvilGuru: no.. you can't install the ubuntu packages onto a debian machine. |
| 21:30.22 | sepult | EvilGuru: pin all packages belonging to ubuntu to 100 |
| 21:30.41 | themill | bad sepult! bad! |
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| 21:30.51 | sepult | EvilGuru: then install them by specifying -t hardy(|gutsy....) |
| 21:31.04 | sepult | themill: why = |
| 21:31.08 | sepult | err ? |
| 21:31.13 | themill | sepult: mixing debian and ubuntu is going to end in tears. Please do not recommend doing that. |
| 21:31.20 | EvilGuru | themill: I'd rather monthly ABI breakage than non subpixel-rendered fonts |
| 21:31.20 | sepult | ah ok |
| 21:31.20 | xeon-enouf | cirzgamanti: apt-get what? |
| 21:31.31 | sepult | themill: see |
| 21:31.32 | sepult | lol |
| 21:31.34 | cirzgamanti | install for example. |
| 21:31.42 | sepult | themill: he wants it |
| 21:31.48 | cirzgamanti | no, iirc it was with upgrade. |
| 21:31.55 | sepult | themill: i'm not telling him to do that on purpose |
| 21:31.58 | xeon-enouf | cirzgamanti: try -s |
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| 21:32.15 | fredl | hey! I'm an ubuntu user too :) |
| 21:32.24 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: is putty involved? |
| 21:32.27 | themill | EvilGuru: it's not a question of ABI breakage... you'll end up with two packages owning the same file and you'll have apt choking on it. And also neither #debian nor #ubuntu will want to touch your frankenbuntu. |
| 21:32.43 | fredl | nothing wrong with Ubuntu if you don't mind crappy support. |
| 21:32.47 | NiveusLuna | no. ssh from the ssh command on fedora. |
| 21:32.47 | cirzgamanti | xeon-enouf: thx |
| 21:32.49 | BlueG | hmm, can you build a custom kernel of the same version that is installed, or will that cause problems with modules? |
| 21:33.03 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: ... |
| 21:33.17 | xeon-enouf | BlueG: why? |
| 21:33.20 | NiveusLuna | ? |
| 21:33.22 | EvilGuru | themill: Very well; what is the best way to go about applying my own patches to the aformentioned packages |
| 21:33.45 | sepult | EvilGuru: right, do that |
| 21:33.47 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: which OS is the host OS, prior to ssh? |
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| 21:33.58 | linXea | why not?? remove those thing you dont need.. I always do that BlueG ... No problems at all |
| 21:34.09 | sepult | EvilGuru: get them with git or svn or cvs |
| 21:34.15 | themill | EvilGuru: I know ubuntu has a well-deserved reputation for not pushing patched back upstream, but in this case I'd be very very surprised if subpixel hinting wasn't already available in debian. (it certainly is in lenny). |
| 21:34.22 | sepult | EvilGuru: patch locally, install and test locally |
| 21:34.32 | themill | EvilGuru: If you have particular patches you want to apply, /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 21:34.35 | EvilGuru | themill: The problem is with patents, Ubuntu don't care, Debian do |
| 21:34.40 | bpun | NiveusLuna, if you say fedora on a line without saying debian.. I find that very rude |
| 21:34.41 | NiveusLuna | I'm sorry, I'm not clear as to which you want. are you asking which I am SSHing into, or which am I SSHing from? |
| 21:34.44 | xeon-enouf | BlueG: your custom kernel should never be a Debian version |
| 21:34.50 | xeon-enouf | exactly |
| 21:35.02 | BlueG | xeon-enouf: well, partially because my current (testing) system crashes constantly when running a newer kernel and runs like molasses when I boot into the old 2.6.26 and partially because I'd just like to play around with tweaking it. |
| 21:35.09 | bpun | NiveusLuna, you shouldn't complain of your fedora issues and ask help about it here |
| 21:35.11 | EvilGuru | So while you can get it in lenny/squeeze it fails if you use medium hinting |
| 21:35.16 | themill | EvilGuru: so why do I have sub-pixel rendering on my machine? (and have had on all my debian installs since sarge?) |
| 21:35.19 | NiveusLuna | I am using SSH from Fedora to get into Debian. |
| 21:35.49 | BlueG | xeon-enouf: ok, how do you handle that? install a different source package from the one that is already in Debian? |
| 21:35.49 | NiveusLuna | bpun: when I log into debian as a different user, I still get colors, so the issue isn't with Fedora. |
| 21:35.55 | fredl | Canar has gone hasn't he? |
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| 21:36.08 | nsadmin | believe so |
| 21:36.19 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: so sshd is running on a debian server you're accessing through a fedora ssh client? |
| 21:36.24 | cirzgamanti | xeon-enouf: well, -s tells me it will remove all these packages, some of which i'd like to keep. |
| 21:36.26 | NiveusLuna | xeon-enouf: yes |
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| 21:36.37 | bpun | NiveusLuna, the only thing I know is you're logged into irc locally.. u must be on the irc server |
| 21:36.42 | xeon-enouf | cirzgamanti: depends |
| 21:36.45 | sepult | so who holds the proper tar.gz's then ? |
| 21:36.56 | sepult | to the sources =? |
| 21:37.03 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: no idea how that works ... sorry |
| 21:37.05 | fredl | nsadmin, almost felt sorry for him had he not been so dense. |
| 21:37.18 | xeon-enouf | NiveusLuna: i should, but do not |
| 21:37.21 | cirzgamanti | the strange thing is i installed console-setup after all these were already on the system. |
| 21:37.32 | cirzgamanti | so why does it now want to take them with it? |
| 21:37.33 | NiveusLuna | xeon-enouf: okay, thank you for trying. |
| 21:37.48 | xeon-enouf | your ENV should be exported - depending on username and sshd_config, etc |
| 21:37.49 | fredl | nsadmin - I mean fuck, you are hosting websites for paying customers and you don't know how to check if /var is on it's own filesystem? |
| 21:37.57 | nsadmin | fredl: I didn'tfollow that part, but I gather he did more and more and finally got locked out? |
| 21:38.08 | xeon-enouf | cirzgamanti: are you mixing releases? |
| 21:38.17 | cirzgamanti | xeon-enouf: i hope not. |
| 21:38.20 | BlueG | I've been following directions from http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org, but it didn't mention problems with building a custom kernel of the same version |
| 21:38.23 | bpun | NiveusLuna, but you're running this irc server correct? what about all 'em colors? |
| 21:38.23 | xeon-enouf | cirzgamanti: cat /etc/issue.net |
| 21:38.39 | NiveusLuna | I am not running an IRC server. |
| 21:38.49 | fredl | anyhoo I lost my NIC once more, god I'm hating this motherboard. |
| 21:38.53 | xeon-enouf | BlueG: /msg dpkg trunk kernel |
| 21:38.59 | bpun | NiveusLuna, so do you still have colors? |
| 21:39.05 | fredl | I've had more reliable motherboards from the fucking supermarket. |
| 21:39.09 | NiveusLuna | as a different user, yes |
| 21:39.09 | cirzgamanti | xeon-enouf: Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid |
| 21:39.10 | xeon-enouf | BlueG: or just use a Debian one ;-) |
| 21:39.13 | sepult | fredl: what exactly do you to get the nick go away ? |
| 21:39.13 | fredl | oh is this a family channel BTW? |
| 21:39.21 | bpun | NiveusLuna, well be a man-> use black and white |
| 21:39.28 | xeon-enouf | cirzgamanti: ok, so .. what's the issue? |
| 21:39.30 | NiveusLuna | not on the user i have set up for the web daemon |
| 21:39.35 | fredl | sepult - I think it has something to do with loading the faulty r8169 driver from the boot disk. |
| 21:39.49 | linXea | xeon-enouf, well.. compile your own kernel has its advantages |
| 21:39.57 | sepult | fredL: why do you load it then, skip it |
| 21:40.05 | xeon-enouf | fredl: you can stop witjh your faulty realtek crap ;-) |
| 21:40.10 | cirzgamanti | xeon-enouf: i installed console-setup, and it fucks up apt-get, so i want to remove it, but not loose other packages in the progress. |
| 21:40.15 | fredl | sepult, it's fixable, I just take the power off for a few minutes, I haven't seen it disappearing after the OS with the r8168 driver is up and running |
| 21:40.20 | cirzgamanti | which apt-get wants to uninstall with it. |
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| 21:40.30 | xeon-enouf | linXea: yea i know .. but not many others do ;-) |
| 21:40.32 | sepult | oh |
| 21:40.35 | sepult | man |
| 21:40.38 | fredl | sepult - can I exclude drivers from loading on the install CD? |
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| 21:40.43 | bpun | cirzgamanti, use aptitude |
| 21:40.48 | sepult | fredl: yes |
| 21:41.04 | fredl | oh I didn't know that, how does one go about that? |
| 21:41.05 | sepult | fredl: in expert mode i think |
| 21:41.13 | mick_laptop | anyone here have an EeePC? I'd like toknow if others have issues w/ overheating. |
| 21:41.27 | fredl | aha. Well I just need to make my own install CD with the good driver I think. |
| 21:41.35 | fredl | coz I can't keep on having this shit. |
| 21:41.38 | EvilGuru | themill: Change the autohinting method to medium or slight and observe the colour fringes |
| 21:41.39 | xeon-enouf | cirzgamanti: how does it fuckuyp apt-get ? try dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 21:41.42 | erpo | I have a headless server with a DVD burner and a laptop without one. If I have a DVD image I want to burn that's stored on my laptop's hard disk, is there a way I could burn it across the network using the server's DVD writer? |
| 21:41.54 | bpun | mick_laptop, but in the freezer for 15 minutes.. |
| 21:42.07 | bpun | mick_laptop, debian becomes cooler |
| 21:42.09 | xeon-enouf | mick_laptop: is laptop-mode installed? |
| 21:42.15 | mick_laptop | anyone know a decent way to keep a netbook cool? i have been using icepacks - but i fear that the melting ice isn't good for this thing |
| 21:42.16 | cirzgamanti | xeon-enouf: no, that's exactly the problem: when i do reconfigure, it just hangs forever. |
| 21:42.19 | sepult | fredl: i think u have to deselect some of the modules it offers |
| 21:42.19 | sepult | for hardware lookup |
| 21:42.29 | fredl | to be quite honest I think it's just a Debian thing that the r8168 driver is not included on the install disk. |
| 21:42.35 | xeon-enouf | cirzgamanti: try 'apt-get install -f' |
| 21:42.45 | linXea | xeon-enouf, If you know what you are doing there are non but advantages with recompiling kernels.. |
| 21:42.46 | xeon-enouf | maybe it's not installed all the way |
| 21:42.48 | mick_laptop | i have eeepc-control installed along w/ laptop-mode |
| 21:42.52 | sepult | fredl: and there should be one option to reconfigure the setup |
| 21:42.52 | sepult | environment before doing the actual install |
| 21:43.14 | xeon-enouf | linXea: unless you mess it up :-P |
| 21:43.15 | fredl | sepult, I got it running again now and got the whole thing documented. Maybe tomorrow I'll go play with that expert mode. |
| 21:43.20 | mick_laptop | xeon-enouf: sometimes i need to do I/O intensive things that this thing probably wasn't meant for |
| 21:43.29 | cirzgamanti | xeon-enouf: that reports that everything is peachy. |
| 21:43.40 | sepult | fredl: ok |
| 21:43.41 | linXea | xeon-enouf, just boot into the old one and start over ?? |
| 21:43.46 | cirzgamanti | oh, says "2 not upgraded" |
| 21:44.43 | cirzgamanti | hm, but now console-setup seems not to clog apt-get any more. |
| 21:44.52 | mick_laptop | xeon-enouf: that doesn't help if i do I/O intensive things |
| 21:44.55 | bpun | erpo, never heard of remote graphical display? you can also use console tools to burn anything |
| 21:44.57 | cirzgamanti | thanks, though i don't really know what happened ;) |
| 21:44.57 | xeon-enouf | cirzgamanti: testing has issues sometimes, just like unstable/sid .. try aptitude |
| 21:45.16 | xeon-enouf | mick_laptop: what doesn't he;p? |
| 21:45.17 | bpun | erpo, i believe you should copy the dvd image over first.. i dont supposed its safe to burn an image directly over the network |
| 21:45.44 | simonrvn | something could get lost on the way... |
| 21:45.46 | xeon-enouf | mick_laptop: IOintensive should be using SCSI |
| 21:45.58 | cirzgamanti | one other thing, i'm one of the guys that's too lame to have a running flash on their 64bit testing. didn't find anything recent googling. is there any easy fix? |
| 21:45.58 | mick_laptop | i know |
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| 21:46.24 | mick_laptop | i had a really expensive machine that was destroyed recently, no cash for a decent box |
| 21:46.33 | mick_laptop | so i got an eeepc |
| 21:46.51 | mick_laptop | since it is fairly well supported under linux |
| 21:47.00 | mick_laptop | and it was affordable |
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| 21:47.06 | bpun | mick_laptop, did you custom build that machine? what about its warranty? |
| 21:47.31 | GuySoft | hi, is it possible to compile only one patched module from the package linux-source? |
| 21:48.00 | mick_laptop | not custom (it is a netbook, how do you "custom build" that?). I did do the install myself |
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| 21:48.13 | bpun | mick_laptop, i'm not sure if this will help, but did you install the debian for eeepc installer? |
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| 21:48.34 | mick_laptop | bpun: yes |
| 21:48.38 | cirzgamanti | mick_laptop: there's #debian-eeepc on oftc btw |
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| 21:48.43 | bpun | mick_laptop, well you said the word "machine" so i automatically put that category as an expensive one |
| 21:48.47 | mick_laptop | hmm interesting |
| 21:49.00 | mick_laptop | i'll try that |
| 21:49.04 | mick_laptop | on oftc, thanks |
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| 21:49.22 | fredl | hey my HTC magic is a 'machine' !! |
| 21:49.26 | mick_laptop | see you guys later, much thanks for the help |
| 21:49.53 | nsadmin | so if it's a machine, it's expensive,,, if it's a box, it's cheap? |
| 21:50.24 | bpun | nsadmin, his eeepc is his new little cheapie according to his budget constraints.. he must be rich and poor at some points in his life.. |
| 21:50.40 | bpun | nsadmin, bush stole all his real money |
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| 21:52.04 | fredl | before or after Obama shafted him? :-) |
| 21:52.15 | fredl | oh wait can't say that, that's racist. |
| 21:53.23 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: nah, people even call multi-million dollar mainframes boxen |
| 21:53.40 | nsadmin | some upgrade that would be |
| 21:54.39 | fredl_ | well my dog is howling for me coz he needs to pee and my bed also has an appointment with me, so I bid thee all farewell. |
| 21:55.09 | fredl_ | (that means 'bye') |
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| 21:57.03 | bpun | wonders how many people connect more than once.. fredl_ said bye but fredl didn't.. how rude |
| 21:57.16 | sepult | hey |
| 21:57.32 | sepult | clock's got already adjusted ? |
| 21:57.48 | sepult | oh wee |
| 21:58.59 | bpun | sepult, no need to wee your cock on the clock |
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| 22:00.03 | bpun | sepult, clocks get adjusted by government's agenda on military time.. i wonder when is the next ww.. see you on the battlefield |
| 22:00.05 | bpun | (jk) |
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| 22:00.27 | bpun | still cant find a quickview feature with a filemanager |
| 22:00.38 | bpun | (textfiles) |
| 22:01.18 | sepult | oh no |
| 22:01.24 | sepult | it's on 25'th |
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| 22:12.06 | clearscreen | !ops |
| 22:12.06 | dpkg | i heard ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 22:12.31 | clearscreen | dpkg: ops join spam -> (12:11:40 AM) BuhaRa: http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 22:12.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: clearscreen complains about: join spam -> (12:11:40 AM) BuhaRa: http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 22:12.41 | abrotman | clearscreen: please don't repeat the spam |
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| 22:12.53 | GuySoft | asking again: is it possible to compile only one patched module from the package linux-source? |
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| 22:13.07 | LjL | confirm spam |
| 22:14.13 | bpun | GuySoft, yeah, but if you're doing that, it all depends on a number of factors |
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| 22:14.25 | abrotman | tags themill |
| 22:14.26 | themill | teamwork... |
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| 22:16.14 | GuySoft | bpun, what factors? |
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| 22:16.37 | GuySoft | what i want to do is compile the paraport module with a patch for ppscsi |
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| 22:17.56 | abrotman | GuySoft: it may or may not work .. the safe way is to do the whole thing |
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| 22:20.52 | GuySoft | abrotman, is there a make command just for the modules? or a specific module? |
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| 22:22.04 | dhaivat | here comes my bot, better watch out people |
| 22:22.11 | dhaivat | here comes my awesome spam bot |
| 22:22.24 | LjL | we're waiting |
| 22:22.31 | dhaivat | crud, he's slow |
| 22:22.43 | dhaivat | wait, why isn't he here yet? |
| 22:22.51 | dhaivat | crud, gotta check the code again |
| 22:22.52 | LjL | you probably fail. |
| 22:22.56 | dhaivat | oops, he's on #ubuntu |
| 22:23.05 | Zharf | hahahah |
| 22:23.15 | dhaivat | well, sucks for the ubuntu channel then |
| 22:23.24 | abrotman | dhaivat: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 22:24.08 | dhaivat | no I don't really, abrotman |
| 22:24.14 | abrotman | dhaivat: then please be quiet |
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| 22:24.44 | dhaivat | okay, sorry |
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| 22:25.21 | TheAwesomelyfunn | This is spam. I was made by dhaivat. This is spam |
| 22:25.22 | TheAwesomelyfunn | This is spam. I was made by dhaivat. This is spam |
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| 22:25.35 | dhaivat | whoops, gotta fix theawesomelyfunn |
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| 22:25.56 | Zharf | that's so full of fail |
| 22:26.13 | abrotman | I am Mr. Kick... themill is Mr. Ban |
| 22:26.25 | themill | ffs... we spent hours helping that bastard yesterday. |
| 22:26.52 | abrotman | friday? |
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| 22:29.22 | simonrvn | make sure you kill him, mkay? |
| 22:29.50 | simonrvn | Zharf: indeed it is |
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| 22:32.02 | abrotman | k^t: wrong channel ? |
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| 22:32.24 | simonrvn | "Cookies are chasing me..." |
| 22:32.26 | k^t | noguess so |
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| 22:33.19 | markybob | puffs a k^t |
| 22:33.45 | k^t | =P |
| 22:35.06 | BlueG | hmmm, testing seems to crash on starting X, unless I go startup in single user mode and modprobe intelfb first, but then it hangs up at random. It doesn't crash if I boot the old 2.6.26 kernel, but then X takes up all the cpu time and the system runs really slow. I wonder whether the problem lies with the kernel graphics modules or the X server itself? |
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| 22:36.07 | simonrvn | intelfb is console driver |
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| 22:36.50 | k^t | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.56 | markybob | c'mon |
| 22:37.04 | markybob | i know it's sunday, but damnit |
| 22:37.48 | simonrvn | someone kick him please? |
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| 22:38.42 | abrotman | k^t: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 22:38.49 | BlueG | simonrvn: yea, it makes my console much prettier :-)... I have no idea why it doesn't crash on starting X when I load that first... or perhaps it has something else to do with going to single user mode first, I don't suppose I have tried doing that without loading intelfb. |
| 22:39.44 | bpun | k^t is only on #debian |
| 22:39.50 | bpun | k^t < spammer |
| 22:39.53 | simonrvn | granted, i much rather have a working fb driver + x myself. |
| 22:40.13 | simonrvn | bpun: +i - you wouldn't know they were anywhere else |
| 22:40.23 | k^t | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.33 | abrotman | k^t: please go to #debian-offtopic |
| 22:40.49 | k^t | =[ |
| 22:40.56 | bpun | simonrvn, i issued /whois < wouldn't that list all channels a use ris on? |
| 22:41.12 | simonrvn | bpun: he's also ircing as root; look at his ident (0) |
| 22:41.21 | simonrvn | bpun: not if they were +i |
| 22:41.27 | k^t | ? |
| 22:41.31 | simonrvn | unless you happen to be on the same channels |
| 22:41.38 | bpun | hmm |
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| 22:42.08 | k^t | ? |
| 22:42.19 | abrotman | k^t: if you don't have a Debian related question, please be quiet |
| 22:42.35 | simonrvn | BlueG: well, offhand i'd say try without it. analyze what happens when you start of in S instead of going all the way to rc2 |
| 22:42.49 | simonrvn | start off* |
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| 22:44.01 | NoCode_ | When trying to compile, or install dependencies, "python-webkitgtk" isn't in the lenny repos. Is it under a different name? |
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| 22:45.23 | NoCode_ | Am I supposed to install libwebkit-1.0-1? |
| 22:45.34 | NoCode_ | I guess I'll try it |
| 22:45.41 | markybob | NoCode_, webkit is part of 4.5, which isnt in lenny |
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| 22:45.57 | markybob | NoCode_, in sid it's in python-qt4 |
| 22:45.59 | unitypunk_ | hey |
| 22:46.04 | NoCode_ | grrr |
| 22:46.04 | k^t | whats up with the major hostility today? |
| 22:46.15 | unitypunk_ | how come when i do ftp localhost from my terminal i get a failed connection |
| 22:46.22 | unitypunk_ | but when i connect with filezilla it works. |
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| 22:49.35 | simonrvn | NoCode_: i forgot it had some binary deps. sorry. |
| 22:49.56 | faffi | Anybody know what package i need to use "Number::Bytes::Human" in perl? |
| 22:50.31 | linXea | faffi, try #perl |
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| 22:50.47 | abrotman | he wants to know which debian package |
| 22:50.54 | linXea | ah, sorry |
| 22:50.54 | NoCode_ | simonrvn, Can I get the deps and install them without a mess? |
| 22:51.01 | faffi | :P |
| 22:51.02 | NoCode_ | What can I do to get this darn thing running? :( |
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| 22:51.19 | faffi | i tried running some searches grepping for each part and i didnt get any results |
| 22:51.36 | abrotman | there is dh-make-perl if you can't find a package |
| 22:51.44 | markybob | faffi, i'd try libnumber-format-perl ...but i dont know for sure |
| 22:51.48 | bpun | can someone help me determine if this is in any of debian's repos? ( http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Service+Menu+Manager?content=94996 ) -- it allows you to make custom context menus i believe |
| 22:51.53 | NoCode_ | yep, complained about python-json. Installed it, now complaining about webkit. |
| 22:52.07 | bpun | tried using apt-cache search service, etc.. |
| 22:52.31 | bpun | i think should be included with kde by default.. |
| 22:52.51 | bpun | but not debian-urgent .. |
| 22:52.53 | bpun | :) |
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| 22:53.39 | linXea | been using debian/gnu for over 7 years and never even installed KDE... |
| 22:53.51 | NoCode_ | MEH |
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| 22:57.58 | bpun | linXea, what about iceweasal flash, does it display correctly with whatever winmanager you're using? otherwise i'll try what you're using :) |
| 22:58.54 | AruNatsu | how can i modify the current time? both hwclock and date show incorrect time. |
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| 22:59.11 | abrotman | !tell AruNatsu about set the time |
| 22:59.13 | linXea | Im using openbox and iceweasel and everything else works great.. I do have gnome installed just to have access to some packages.. never opened it though |
| 22:59.14 | NoCode_ | simonrvn, Want to help me pin webkit? xD Or would that work? |
| 22:59.44 | AruNatsu | abrotman: ty! |
| 22:59.56 | simonrvn | NoCode_: tracking backports? if not i'd do it myself (/msg dpkg ssb) |
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| 23:00.37 | markybob | that'd be too much of a pain in the ass. you'd need to backport qt4.5, then python-qt4 |
| 23:00.37 | clarjon1 | debian rocks |
| 23:00.45 | linXea | indeed |
| 23:00.47 | markybob | oh, not to mention webkit |
| 23:02.31 | abrotman | NoCode_: why are you trying to compile it ? |
| 23:03.10 | AruNatsu | abrotman:the line in /etc/default/rcS has to be set to "UTC=yes", right? (to use ntp) |
| 23:03.14 | bpun | linXea, the thing is i'm using dual display.. i dont think openbox offers good window management for remember window placements etc.. |
| 23:03.40 | NoCode_ | abrotman, because it's not in the repos |
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| 23:03.54 | abrotman | AruNatsu: that has nothing to do with using ntp .. but you probably want that set to no |
| 23:03.56 | abrotman | to "no" |
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| 23:04.00 | abrotman | NoCode_: webkit is |
| 23:04.22 | markybob | abrotman, he needs python bindings for webkit, which is part of qt4.5 |
| 23:04.27 | abrotman | NoCode_: what are you really trying to do ? |
| 23:05.05 | linXea | bpun, I have no experience with dual view so I can't tell if its correct or nor. I share your suspicion though |
| 23:05.20 | NoCode_ | I'm trying to get gwibber compiled, or installed. It needs python-webkitgtk (1.0.1). It's not satisfied. |
| 23:05.31 | markybob | wait, gtk? |
| 23:05.36 | markybob | seriously? |
| 23:05.42 | NoCode_ | yep |
| 23:05.44 | markybob | ha |
| 23:06.10 | bpun | linXea, I know light window managers are great. They are.. however running gnome apps or kde apps are problematic.. |
| 23:06.27 | NoCode_ | http://pastebin.ca/1573385 |
| 23:06.43 | bpun | linXea, things get even more problematic when I'd like to make use of a second display with these light window managers |
| 23:06.53 | abrotman | NoCode_: you can't find any other CLI twitter clients ? |
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| 23:07.01 | linXea | bpun, I stay away from both kde and gnome apps... |
| 23:07.15 | abrotman | NoCode_: squeeze has gwibber already ? |
| 23:07.18 | NoCode_ | Twidge looks like a pain in the ass, I looked into that. |
| 23:07.23 | bpun | linXea, well firefox, that's a gnome app isn't it? |
| 23:07.24 | NoCode_ | I'm in Lenny |
| 23:07.31 | clarjon1 | yays as he gets 3d accel working :D |
| 23:07.34 | abrotman | judd: versions bit |
| 23:07.35 | judd | abrotman: bit -- |
| 23:07.36 | abrotman | judd: versions bti |
| 23:07.37 | judd | abrotman: bti -- squeeze: 023-1 sid: 023-2 |
| 23:07.39 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:07.46 | linXea | I said it worked .. I use Arora browser |
| 23:08.09 | NoCode_ | MEH |
| 23:08.29 | faffi | Is it possible to use the cut command with more than one delimiter? |
| 23:08.53 | clarjon1 | oooohs and ahhhs at full 64bit 3d accel |
| 23:09.01 | dondelelcaro | faffi: no. use sed+cut, or similar. |
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| 23:09.08 | clarjon1 | :3 |
| 23:09.11 | dondelelcaro | faffi: you could also just use awk, or similar too |
| 23:09.15 | clarjon1 | i am in such geek heaven XD |
| 23:09.15 | bpun | linXea, well you said you don't have dual display.. so i'm guessing you know open box works well.. which i agree.. i did try it dual display a little while back.. I'm actually using kde/openbox here.. |
| 23:09.34 | clarjon1 | my laptop is running at full power, processing and graphics wise |
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| 23:09.48 | bpun | i got a kde and kde/openbox on my login screen.. i guess openbox is replacing kwin or similar.. |
| 23:10.06 | linXea | okay.. well I dont have dual display, that's correct... =) |
| 23:10.31 | bpun | linXea, this arora browser though.. i never heard of.. can it use the adobe flash plugin? |
| 23:10.50 | linXea | it indeed can |
| 23:10.57 | dondelelcaro | faffi: as far as your qustion in #perl, libnumbers-bytes-human-perl; would be the name of the package, but AFAICT, it's not packaged. dh-make-perl --build --cpan Numbers::Bytes::Human; is how you can build it |
| 23:11.07 | linXea | works great and need very few packages to run |
| 23:11.45 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:11.48 | dondelelcaro | faffi: but you probably actually want to use libnumber-format-perl instead. |
| 23:12.17 | linXea | I do have a massive amount of ram so I really dosen't care much about memoryusage anymore |
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| 23:22.06 | little_owl | Hello, I would like to remove evolution and when I try to do it, the aptitude wants to remove whole Gnome desktop ..... any hint for Debian's newbie, how to resolve it? |
| 23:23.11 | abrotman | !unmarkauto |
| 23:23.11 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
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| 23:27.10 | bpun | i have kde with 'un' (dpkg -l kde), my intention is to use kde-core.. my kde/openbox session runs fine.. but i'm looking for something called "Service Menu Manager" and am wondering if it's in the kde package ( http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Service+Menu+Manager?content=94996 ) |
| 23:27.35 | abrotman | bpun: did you try 'apt-cache search kde service' ? |
| 23:27.36 | bpun | otherwise i'd have to install it up manually.. |
| 23:28.28 | little_owl | Thanks for hints, I will try to cope with that. |
| 23:28.45 | bpun | abrotman, i don't know if its part of kde.. or if its an misc addon.. can't find it with apt-cache |
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| 23:28.59 | abrotman | it's on the kde apps website ? |
| 23:29.06 | bpun | abrotman, y |
| 23:29.21 | abrotman | and it's for kde4.x .. says on that page |
| 23:29.26 | bpun | abrotman, does that suggest its a misc addon? |
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| 23:29.39 | abrotman | you could ask #debian-kde on OFTC |
| 23:29.46 | bpun | ok thks.. |
| 23:30.00 | kalc | hey all, when it comes for web server does 64bit does great on debian,mysql,lighttpd ? |
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| 23:31.18 | markybob | kalc, um, yes, it's great |
| 23:32.27 | kalc | the datacenter installed redhat enterprise 5.4 so i should tell them to format and install debian? is it better performance ? |
| 23:33.01 | markybob | kalc, it's probably the same. you should tell them to install debian anyway |
| 23:33.10 | bpun | abrotman, i cant seem to voice on debian-kde, well if its not in kde, i think alot of people would like to have custom context menus.. maybe i should reportbug suggest it.. but it would be useful.. |
| 23:33.23 | bpun | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.41 | abrotman | look for an itp or rfp |
| 23:33.46 | bpun | ok |
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| 23:35.22 | themill | bpun: wrong network... #debian-kde on oftc |
| 23:35.48 | bpun | themill, oftc .. ah.. thanks for telling me |
| 23:36.31 | Multiply | Why does my oidentd keep replying "NO-USER"? - "Sep 21 00:18:08 multiplybox oidentd[4584]: [some.irc.network.org] 18621 , 6667 : ERROR : NO-USER" |
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| 23:37.40 | bpun | says it's his first time in years joining an irc outside freenode and he's really scared |
| 23:38.02 | themill | dpkg: comfort bpun |
| 23:38.02 | dpkg | There, there, bpun. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:38.12 | bpun | lol |
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| 23:46.29 | BlueG | I don't know why, but it's definitely the intelfb driver that keeps it from crashing when x starts |
| 23:47.09 | BlueG | It still locks up at random, usually within a few hours |
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| 23:48.25 | BlueG | I wonder if rolling back the xorg intel driver might fix the problem |
| 23:48.29 | clarjon1 | BlueG: ANything useful found when monitoring dmesg? |
| 23:50.17 | oxi | does anyone know?: 1) A process is spawned with root privileges and binds a port < 1024. 2) The process' privileges are dropped to normal user privileges. 3) The process unbinds the port. 4) The process tries to bind the port again. .... <- will it be able to bind the port or not? |
| 23:51.13 | simonrvn | BlueG: maybe... worth a try. check the bts too. |
| 23:52.01 | simonrvn | oxi: not without re-acquiring the requisite privs, no. you could use capabilities to do this. |
| 23:52.59 | oxi | simonrvn: So, eventhough it had the port bound with user privileges, it will not be able to re-bind it? |
| 23:53.31 | simonrvn | if it let it go, no, after dropping privs. |
| 23:53.47 | oxi | simonrvn: ok, thanks! |
| 23:54.05 | simonrvn | i'd look that up in a manual first, to be sure. |
| 23:54.19 | oxi | okay, I'll give it a try |
| 23:54.20 | kalc | is it possible to reinstall debian binaries like make world in freebsd ? |
| 23:54.46 | bpun | i was looking at cad libraries last week, and took note of brlcad.. this beast has been 20 years in development.. not sure how good it is.. but its a pretty big archive and i dont see any deb for it |
| 23:55.18 | |Mike| | kalc: apt-get upgrade ? :p |
| 23:55.29 | simonrvn | there's several cad apps in debian |
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| 23:55.31 | markybob | kalc, apt-get --reinstall install foo |
| 23:55.33 | bpun | has to do the old school way with tar :) |
| 23:55.46 | kalc | what about binaries like ls, ps, top and so on ? |
| 23:55.57 | themill | bpun: check to see if someone has already tried packaging it or intends to do so. /msg dpkg wnpp |
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| 23:56.23 | markybob | kalc, apt-get --reinstall install bash |
| 23:57.08 | bpun | y, i spoke on debian-kde, apparently the service menu manager is currently being packaged into debian.. |
| 23:58.05 | bpun | (has previously been started.. i'm not the only one that will find it useful :) |
| 23:58.57 | themill | !dbugs 289632 |
| 23:59.00 | abrotman | i didn't see an rfp or itp |
| 23:59.01 | dpkg | #289632:W[wnpp] ITP: brlcad -- powerful combinatorial Constructive Solid Geometry (help); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:33:01 UTC [289684] |
| 23:59.02 | themill | bpun: ^^ |
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